Hello everyone and welcome to the Every Movie Ever podcast. My name is Ben Groves. And my
name is Rob Macfarlane. Welcome to the show. A mental health check in, masquerading as
a movie podcast. Two broken brain boys just using film to laugh at stuff. You are a shambles
without this fucking, without the pre-product. Do you know what it is, mate? Do you know
what it is? I'm just buzzing for this episode. I'm buzzing. But before we get to what we're
doing, how are you doing, Ben? I'm having chest pains again, man. Don't bring that up
because that's serious and bitch don't kill my vibe. No, it's not like, it's not as bad
as before, but now it's like weird little stabby pains. Do you know what I mean? Right.
So you went to the GP for the first lot, right? Remember a couple months back when I was like,
go to the... No, I just outlived it because I'm strong. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Great, great,
great, great. No, I'm terrified of doctors. So I didn't go. Yeah. And now I won't go again,
but that's how I am. I'm doing good. Okay. Well, other than that, I'm fucking great,
man, to be honest. Really good. Fantastic. Really good. How are you? I'm giddy. I'm giddy.
So for those of you tuning in for the first time, Ben and I normally do quite a, well,
a relatively structured show where, you know, we'll watch a film a couple of times. We'll
write some little headlines of notes. We'll both think about what we want to say. We'll
have some informed insight, you know, and it will be like a well-produced show. Yeah.
There'll be segments. There'll be whole bunches of stuff. This, I've literally finished watching
the Crow remake 35 minutes ago. Yeah. I still, I feel bad for you, bud. I feel bad for you,
man. No, because here's what we're going to do. We've put as much preparation and production
and planning and forethought into this episode as the makers of the Crow remake have. Yeah.
It's a meta episode, buddy. And I am buzzing. Welcome to the meta episode where there's
no plan. This is just, we've got notes. We've got a breakdown. This is perfect for this
film. I've, I've written a breakdown. Yeah. I've put very little effort into it because
I feel like as I was writing it, I was just getting like, what's the point? Right. You
know what I mean? Like I was, I was mirroring the film. What's the point? Ben, I can see
here there's three paragraphs. Yeah. And I think that is more writing than there is in
the film. And I also would have gone, do you know what? Do you know what? Why am I putting
more effort than the 17 executive producers? That's exactly it. That's exactly it. As the
opening credits were playing, I was like, there's a lot of chefs working on this soup.
Yeah. There's like, yeah, it just keeps going. Executive production. And then you go, okay,
executive production. And then another phrase, Oh, executive production. So let's see what
one of these executive producers managed to write for breakdown. Shall we, Ben? Yeah.
Let's jump in, man. Let's jump in. Right. So, um, all right. I'm living the dream right
now. Part one, tragic beginnings. Ooh. The story opens with Eric Draven played by Bill
Skarsgard and his girlfriend, Shelly FKA twigs trying to rebuild their lives after meeting
in a rehab center. Shelly is haunted by a video that shows her being forced to commit
murder under the influence of Vincent rogue, a possessed by the devil yet void of any personality
crime Lord. Their new found happiness is short lived as rogue's men track them down, leading
to their brutal murders. Ben, how is this the crow? We lost top dollar for this old
man who's like, I live long and I whisper, no, he's a bad guy. His surname is rogue,
but they've spelled it weird. Yeah. Yeah. Part two resurrection and vengeance after
their deaths. Eric is resurrected by a supernatural entity named Kronos. Is he? Yeah. Ben, I've
literally just come out of this film. He doesn't say his name once. No one says his name once
had to research it. It was pissing me off. Dude, it's stupid. It gets worse. Continue.
Guided by this spirit, Eric has granted powers of invulnerability to seek revenge against
rogue and his men. These powers remain with him as long as his love for Shelly remains
true. Stupid. However, as Eric uncovers more about Shelly's involvement in the murder,
he momentarily loses his powers, but then strikes a deal with Kronos. You have to find
out his name on the internet to sacrifice his soul in exchange for Shelly's resurrection,
regaining his abilities to complete his mission. Part three. That sigh in your face. The final
confrontation. Eric embarks on a bloody path of revenge, ultimately confronting rogue in
an opera house. Despite rogue's attempt to overpower him with his demonic whispers, Eric's
love for Shelly allows him to triumph. He drags rogue into the afterlife where rogue
is condemned to eternal hell. It sounds dope as fuck, but it's piss weak. It's really poor.
In the film's disappointing conclusion, Shelly is resurrected, but Eric's human form perishes,
leaving him content in the afterlife, hopeful that their souls will one day reunite.
Yeah. Now, Ben, before we get into the meat of the film we've got, right? Yeah. I would
very much like to just do a quick recap. Sure. Of what happened since this film was announced
in 2009. Okay. Yeah. Hit me with it. So Stephen Norrington was attached in 2009 with Mark
Wahlberg starring. Yes. By 2011, they scrapped that. They had Juan Carlos Fresnadillo directing
with Bradley Cooper starring, but that was only for the first half of 2011 because by
mid 2011 Bradley Cooper had dropped out and Channing Tatum and Ryan Gosling or James McAvoy
were all rumored. Wow. Fuck those rumors because by 2012 it was Francisco Javier Gutierrez
directing with Tom Hiddleston starring, but Hiddleston drops out in 2013. Alexander Skarsgars
was rumored, but actually Luke Evans got cast. So in 2015, Corin Hardy was directing with
Jack Huston starring, but that was only for the first half of 2015 because Jack Huston
dropped out. Right. Got you. Nicholas Holt and Jack O'Connell were then rumored. Oh God.
Corin Hardy still directing, but now it's Jason Momoa and it's called The Crow Reborn.
Incredible. But that gets cancelled in 2016. So now it's 2022. We've got Rupert Sanders
directing and Bill Skarsgård starring. Right. So it's a really simple how we got here. A
hundred percent. So you remember last week when we did The Curse of the Crow and it's
like all the horrible shit happened on the right film and now it's like the not so horrible
shit has been gifted to the wrong film. It's like, do you know what I mean? It's a hard
way to phrase that. I feel like I might have worded it poorly, but my intention is correct.
You know what I mean? Having literally just come out of this film, I am very confused
because it's... Spoiler buddy. It doesn't get easier with time. Nothing makes sense over
time. Right. It's not enough of a remake of The Crow to bother needing the title. No,
it's not. Exactly. It doesn't need The Crow and the fucking title. It could be called
anything and everyone's like, oh, okay, that's fine. My theory was, and again, this is all
brand fresh. He's kind of a street rat, right? Yeah. He's a bit gray morally. Yeah. They
could call it The Pigeon. Ooh, that could be quite good. And then it could just be a
pigeon that brings him back. And the whole thing could be like FKA Twigs. He's trying
to make a nest. Ooh, okay. Right? She's his nest. I don't think pigeons make nests out
of twigs, if I'm honest with you mate. Oh mate, I've seen some photos of pigeons. They
are the shittest nest builders. That's what I mean. In nature. Yeah. I don't think they
use proper builder materials. I think it's mainly like Chris Packets and Homeless Tears.
And R&B singers. You know what I mean? It's just Chris Packets and Bucktooth R&B singers.
Yeah, essentially. I came out of this, I was very confused in the way where I was like,
I get it was the crow and I get the characters were the same, but I felt like as a sober
man, my main takeaway was, fuck rehab, let's run away and do a bunch of drugs. And I was
like, five years ago, fuck yeah, I'm in it. You know what I mean? Yeah. Teenage Ben would
have been like, yeah, man, these guys are so cool. Yeah. These guys are so cool. But
as an adult, 35 year old me, I'm like, you need a book. You need to read. That was my
issue. So I'm watching our new Eric Draven and our new Shelley. Yeah. I'm looking at
them going, these guys are fucking losers, huh? Yeah. Like I wouldn't hang out with these
people. Yeah, that's what it was. I was like, I don't want to be, I don't care about these
people. I don't want to be around them. Because in the original, in 1994, Shelley owns her
flat. Yes. And she's organized a homeowners association to protest against the terrible
conditions and Eric's in a quasi successful rock band. Yes. And in the remake, they are
both just drug addicts. They're drug addicts in a rehab center that escape from a rehab
center to go and do drugs. But also in the original, they're engaged. They've been together
for a long time. You get flashbacks to this very rich, very full of love history. Committed
relationship. Committed relationship. You can, you can feel the love dripping from this
guy. The chemistry is immense in this one. They may go, yeah, man. I'm into that. Yeah.
It's a fucking, that's exactly what it is. It's a coke fling. Yeah. Mate, how many of
those have we had in our lives, Ben? I know for a fact, I would, if one of your coke flings
died back in the day, I've never had a coke fling. You'd have called me up and we'd have
been wrapping her up in a rug in 20 minutes and it would have been job done. The only
coke fling I've ever had is with cocaine. Right. That's all, that's all the coke fling.
That's all the coke fling I've ever needed. I've been sort of like, Ooh, hello. Fancy
hanging out again. So I think I, I understand what they were trying to do. I do. In the
first movie, have you ever heard of the term fridging? You've told me what fridges before.
It was a while ago. Was this when we were talking about Twilight? No, that was soaking
and that's a normal thing. Yeah. Fridging is a different thing. Fridging is a sort of
trope in storytelling where somebody is killed at the very start and their only real purpose
in the plot is to provide motivation for someone else. Oh yeah. We, we had a big, we had a
big talk about this. Okay. So it's like Shelley in the first one has no agent, has very little
agency and autonomy or character arc. Shelley exists to provide the male character a reason
to do stuff. Right. Yeah. And it's a valid thing to criticize in today's storytelling.
We've kind of moved forward a little bit and I can see them wanting to build the character
of Shelley into, to kind of show the romance, right? Not just flash back to it and do like
a promise you it was great. Yeah. I can see them wanting to go, no, no, no, let's, let's
actually demonstrate that. Yeah. They then cast two people who have less chemistry than
like two inert gases. Oh God. It's, it's painful, man. It's painful. Like scars guards got more
chemistry with his coat than he does with FKA twigs. Dude, he, he looks at that coat
so lovingly for a long amount of time. And I'm like, if you did that to your Mrs, I might
buy into this. Do you know what I mean? Like he's like, honestly, he's looking at that
duster. Like he's about to rub one out on the duster. He's looking, he's like you looking
at a bowler hat. Do you know what I mean? He's all about it. It was a brief phase in
uni, Ben. It was a brief phase. I tried it. I looked at myself in the mirror, loved it.
And then the bowler hat. Carried on for about a year. Then retired the bowler hat when people
were like, that man is wearing a bowler hat. And you were like, Oh my God, I'm that man.
Yes. Okay. Then. Yeah. Yeah. It's all right. It's all right. I went through, I went through
a flat cap phase. You know, you know this because you knocked one off my head whilst
I was pissing into the urinal. Laughed whilst I actively pissed on my flat cap and then
left the room. Yeah. I only went into the toilet to do that as well. That was the big
thing I'd forgotten. I forgot until you reminded me live on air that I walked into the gents,
knocked your hat into the urinal and then left again. Yeah. But you tell it like it's
a cheeky little thing. No, I was pissing. You knocked it into my active stream of piss.
Come on. It's still funny. What are we doing? What film is this? This is, this is possibly
the most misjudged remake that I can think of. And the reason, as I was watching it,
I realised the only people that were sat next to me, there was about four people in the
same cinema screen as me. Yeah. We had four people when we went to go watch it too. Yeah.
They were all my age. They were all kind of gothy. Yeah. I was like the only people that
are going to be interested in this film are fans of the original. Yeah. But this isn't
catered to anything towards the original. No it is not. This is let us take the original
and not even ignore it. Let's actively pervert it into like an inverse of what it was. Let's
pretend the original didn't exist and then just repackage it as something brand spanking
new. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, it's like re-editing
star wars and releasing it as star wars and going, yeah, well we kind of wanted to like
pretend the original didn't exist. So we made the original again, but worse. Yeah. It's
like going to watch top gun. If someone's like, do you want to go watch star wars? And then
they put on top gun maverick. Like it's the same film. It's just not star wars. You know
what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But what if instead of fiancees, they were druggies on
a bender? Yeah. And what about instead of a long lasting relationship that spans years,
how about they meet each other for 40 minutes and he decides to fuck up his entire life
and run away. What if instead of Eric Draven being the only supernatural element and the
very real, very gritty crime world around him is forced to react to this sudden, sudden
explosion of the supernatural into their lives, confirming that not only is there is an afterlife,
but that it is angry and coming to kill you. Yeah. What if they were all demons? Yeah.
So what about if not only are there now spirit guides, much like Derek Acora had for our
English fans. Now, now that's going to, that joke is going to bomb in America. No one's
going to fucking understand that at all. Please Google it. Just Google, just Google Derek
Acora most haunted and just look, look up his man pretending to talk to someone who
is fucking amazing. It was the best TV show ever. It was so good. Rest in peace. He's
my spirit guide now. Right. Yeah. But other, other changes. There was tons of shit. There
was, I forgot what I was saying from on hysterical chorus. Okay. What he always does. What if
the first half of the movie, right? Akingly slow and then cuts to hyperviolence with people
getting their head samurai sorted in half. I've got a theory on this. I've got a theory
on this. Right. I think what might've happened is there was, uh, there was like test screenings
and the, uh, what they did is they were doing like, they were measuring in a amount of yarn
per hour. So what they were doing, they were, they would allow for like six yarns for the
first half an hour. And as soon as they hit the seventh one, they're like, now we need
to slap in some violence. That's where we need to keep them on. They're about to leave.
We need to keep them there on the, on the promise of violence. And then it's another
half an hour of fucking boring waffle. That means nothing to anyone. That's a really good
theory. Yeah. I think it implies more effort. Yeah. A thousand present. I think we'll actually
happened is they got the writers together and the 19 executive producers and they just
went around the room and they were like, right, everybody just say an idea that you'd like
to see in the crow movie. Yep. And they had a big whiteboard and they all wrote their
stuff on the whiteboard. And then the writers sat there for another nine months, finessing
that. And then just as they were about to do the first draft, it was the release date.
Someone had nicked the whiteboard and just shot whatever was on there. Thousand percent.
I can, I'll buy into that one more than mine. Because there's, there's about nine different
genres in this film, none of which are connected. None of which compliment one another. But
it also, it also, all of it calls to like new modern movies that are all also shit.
Do you know what I mean? Like the first, the bit after rehab, like so rehab and the bit
after rehab, I was thinking this just feels like I'm watching bodies, bodies, bodies,
but you, if you haven't seen it, don't. It's fucking, it's shocking. Don't bother with
it. It's shit. I went to the cinema too. I was like, I cannot believe I sat around for
the end of this film. I've just wasted two hours of my life. And it also, if you do like
bodies, I'm sorry, but you're wrong. The, I felt like I was watching bodies, bodies,
bodies for the first bit. And then it kind of drifts into this weird fantasy, this weird
dark fantasy sort of like underworld ish, but not quite underworld. Yeah. Kind of like,
it's not horror. It's horror adjacent. It is. And therefore it counts as scary because
it's, it's like Halloween scary. It's like film franchise, but like Walmart Halloween
decoration. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, yeah, skeletons. Woo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a bit like that.
And then it's, and then it goes like super fucking edge Lord. Like, oh, I know you cracked
a joke. You were like, oh, you hate the whole edge or stuff. I'm surprised you like the
original crow. And I'm like, yeah, cause it's tongue in cheek. It knows what it is. And
it's fucking leaning into it. Yeah. It's a fun, it's a fun romp. This removes all the
fun element and it's just sort of like, Oh, goth doc grim doc. Oh, I would die for you.
You've known each other for a month. Shut the fuck up. Shut up. You're all terrible
people. All of you, your friends are terrible people. You're terrible people. I don't care
about any of you, please resign. And then you've got this sort of the end, which is
like fucking machete fucked sin city. And it's this beautiful melge of like hyperviolence
and ridiculous scenarios with like, he walks into an opera house with a fucking Katana
and isn't stopped once that it's an America. There has got to be metal detectors everywhere.
His prick doesn't walk into a fucking opera house with an open, an unsheathed Katana sword
that is full of henchmen and a demon possessed old bastard. There is not one fucking shot
that he gets as far as does anyway. Anyway, it's not even that. It's the fact that there
is about 40 goons firing guns at him. Yeah. And no one in the opera house goes, God, it's
a bit noisy outside. Should we tell them to keep it down? Oh my God. It's the loudest
opera that exists. Apparently it's the loudest opera that exists there outside open curtains.
They're not even fucking doors. I love this bit when the drums kick in really slaps. Yeah.
Great. Fantastic. What the fuck are we doing? Just I, I, right. I check out a films the
second the story doesn't make sense. And I was, I was trying to give this the benefit
of the doubt for as long as I could, for as long as I could. And bear in mind the original
crow night and night four is fresh in my mind. So I'm like, it's got, it's got a fucking,
it's got a high peak to live up to. Do you know what I mean? Big set of shoes to fill.
And I was giving it the benefit of the doubt and I was holding out hope and I was holding
out hope. And honestly, like we just sat there and we're like, I've, I've given up this,
I don't understand what this is. I don't understand what this is. I don't know which way it's
trying to take me. It's trying to pull me in four different directions at once. Am I
supposed to be sad? Am I supposed to be feeling like, Oh my God, Oh, their love is so intense.
This is great. Am I supposed to be rooting for someone? Because if so, who it's supposed
to be like an anti hero kind of noir revenge story, right? Where's the, where's the anti
hero? I just, just cocks, just cocks as far as I can see. It's just a fucking book hockey
video at this point. I'm like, I don't know which Dick I'm supposed to be rooting for
here. Like fucking just give me the shot. Let me go. I think, I think it's, it's an
interesting relic of 2006. I think when we were growing up and I was having a bowl of
hot phase, right? It was there. Somebody came along and said, well, the Marilyn Manson's
big and slipknot's big. And there's like, there's like an emo scene. Yeah. Do you know
what would really, do you know what would make a bunch of money? It's a remake of the
crow, but like a big dollar version, like a top dollar version, top dollar version.
Yeah. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And it just got stuck in development hell because fundamentally
it's not a film you should remake. It was not only of its time, but it's the last film
of Brandon Lee's life. This is what I mean. This is my final point. I was saying, I was
saving this until the end because in my fucking notes it is, this is the lifelong. It's the,
it's the culmination of an actor's entire working life. And they're just like, nah,
fuck it. Just, you know what I mean? Let's just chuck someone out. And then they released
this and I'm like, it's the biggest fuck you I can think of. Shitting on his grave would
be less offensive. Do you know what I mean? So Alex Proyar, the director of the original
1994 crow has said that he's not going to, he's not going to watch the remake because
he thinks it's too disrespectful. But here's my point. He doesn't know half the story,
mate. Right. I think if they'd made this when you and I were young teenagers going around
Camden buying bowler hats, right? Don't drag me into that shit. I never once had a bowler
hat. You can fucking have your bowler hat phase. I hated you for that. Yeah. Okay. But
you had your multi-colored hair and your spiky, but you had four spiky belts, Ben. Dude, jeans
are still around your knees. It was bottom of my ass. And yeah, admittedly, right. I
did have, I had crazy hair. Listen, we hated each other for different reasons, right? If
they'd made a remake of the crow back then, you'd have turned up and you'd be like, yeah,
this is sick. Yeah. A hundred percent. But so would have you. Samurai saws. Yeah. We
both would have done. Yeah. But it spent so long in development hell. And Alex Proyar
has the perfect quote here. He said, I thought the remake was a cynical cash grab, not much
cash to grab. It seems. What a fucking lad. What a lad. Oh, I love him so much. I love
him so much, dude. Talking on that. Have you seen the figures? No, tell me, tell me. I'll
give you the figures of today. Hold on. So I've just looked at the numbers. It makes
me so happy. It makes me so happy. So, so you've just seen this film. What would you
say the budget was? Right. There's a fair bit of what I would say rushed CGI. There's
a fair bit of practical effects. Yeah. And there's a fair bit of stunt casting. Like
Bill Skarsgard was kind of hot off the back of the it franchise. So I'm going to say 30
mil, 40 mil. All right. Yeah. Sound still a little south of the mark there, buddy. The
budget on this alone was 50 million or 50 million. And I'm going to give you, I'm going
to give you one. I'm going to give you two guesses onto where the box office numbers
are right now worldwide. I want global worldwide box office number. Give me your best guess.
Give me two of your best guesses. It's been out a week. It has been out one week. How
much do you think it's made it open in? Let's say 25 mil. Okay. Well, give me your second
guess. 15. Okay. Wow. You are fucking generous. Okay. So on its opening, just because of the,
okay. So on opening weekend, it made 4.6 million and that equates to 82% of the total amount
of money that it has made to date. No. So far it is standing at 5.6 million, which is
0.1 times the production budget. Oh my God. Oh my God. Can't shit the bed harder than
that. Do you know what I mean? It's insane. It's fucking insane. So when I was doing a
bit of research on this, right, I honestly, I tried my hardest to research this film and
I was, I was going back and forth and there was, there was debates online and 99% of the
things that I came across always ended up on Reddit and it always ended up on being
sort of like, how could we have let this happen? The main takeaway, right? And it's understandable.
And I get that people are going to like this and that's fine. That's fine. You can enjoy
this and I'm glad that you enjoy this, but you're wrong. Sorry. But what I am going to
do right is I'm going to, I'm going to defend this film because it's, it's doing, it's doing
its job to help round out a new sub genre. It's a very recent sub genre of horror that
has come about and it's called awful fucking remakes of classic films. And there is a lot
of them and I'm just going, I've done a bit of research into that instead, cause that
was way more fun than looking at this piece of shit. Right. So Friday the 13th, yeah.
Fantastic franchise purely like it peaks and troughs and then it fucking peaks right again
with Jason X. You know what I mean? It goes full stupid. They remade it, disrespected
everything about it, put it out. It was absolute dog water nightmare and Elm street classic
campy fun horror franchise implied implied pedophile leaves it open to you. Do you know
what I mean? It's very sort of like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on. They remade it.
It's in the subtext. It's in the subtext. They remade it out and out said it made it
like a fucking, and took all the fucking fun and camp out of it and just made it like a
weird, weird, because it's a little bit difficult to sit there and go, Oh, isn't he just one
of those like villains you love to hate when he's actual pedo? Yeah. That's what I'm saying.
It's like, it's like my next T-shirt of him just being like, Hey, Freddy. Exactly. That's
what I'm saying. No one's walking around in a nightmare on Elm street remake shirt with
Freddy's face on it because you're actively supporting child molestation. But then that
leads me into it. You made a great point then you can't make a pedophile, a fun love to
hate and villain the same way that you can't make a dog killer, a hero, like an evil dead
fed a dog killer can never be the fucking hero. Another shitty horror remake. Wrong
turn. Shitty horror remake. Last house on the left. Shitty horror remake. Carrie. Why
did that need to get remade? No one fucking knows. House of wax. Glad it did though. No
other film shows your Paris Hilton dying. I don't think. Haven't cared to look into
it because it's shit. Hills of eyes. Why the fuck was that remade? That was a perfect film.
Hills of eyes was great. Why would they, ah, the crazies. Why remake that poltergeist?
Yeah. That's just remake. remake poltergeist. Yes. It's shit. The grudge. Shit. The ring.
Shit. Hell raiser. Aggressively mediocre. Texas chainsaw massacre. Shut the fuck up.
Old boy. They Americanized old boy. That's not even a horror, but I'm still pissed about
it. Dude, there are so many times. I'm really trying. I'm actually dizzy. I'm actually
taking my glasses off. I'm sweating. Sweating man. But honestly, it's a new genre that
this is fucking added into it. And the crow sits in that genre beautifully. And it's not
a genre that I enjoy, but it is a genre. And it's nice to see that the studios are going,
what can we really invest into? Should we invest into new films and new ideas? And they're
like, no, because it's a risk. Well, what can we lean into? How about this endless list
of shitty remakes that are just cashing in on people's nostalgia? How about that? And
everyone's like, yeah, fuck it. I've got a grand point to sum all of that up that just
strikes me right. Okay. And top of my head stuff here. So bear with me. It's going to
be messy. I'm going to have to get the shit out of this. Yeah. Make it make any sort of
sense. But here's the thing. I think for the longest time, the thing that we're really
struggling against is the a morality of capitalism. Capitalism doesn't care if the film is good
or bad. All it cares about is if you turn up. Right? Yeah. So the shitty horror remake
exploits a loophole in people turning up just to check it shit. I've just gone and given
the Crow remakes and box office figures so I can confirm what I already knew. I knew
it was going to be shit, but I had to go just in case. And it's this constant drive, more
profit. Doesn't matter if it's good. Doesn't matter if it's bad. Doesn't matter if this
puts micro plastic into the ocean. It's going to make us money. Doesn't matter if oil's
burning the planet. It makes us money. Doesn't matter if the Crow remake just shits on the
legacy of a man who died making this film. Yep. It's going to make some money. Yeah.
Except for that one backfired a little bit though, didn't it? Kind of nice to see. But
it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because for every, every one of the Crow remake, there's
going to be one that just makes a couple mil. And do you know what? Do you know what? There's
something to be applauded about the Crow remake. Yeah. Let's hear it. And there's nothing in
the film. Trust me. There's nothing in it. I was going to say, cause I'm fucking drawing
a blank on this one there. I was desperate to hear that one. I was like, I'm going to
shoot the shit out of this one. Professionalism. Okay. Professionalism. Okay. Every single person
involved in the making of this film, the camera people, the sound editor, all the below the
line crew, right? Yeah. They turned up and the contract was you're going to help us make
this film and we're going to give you some money and you're not going to walk off because
you've agreed to do it. Yeah. Right. You're going to do follow through with what you said
you were going to do. Bill Skarsgard signed a deal and said, yep, I'll do this. Let's
see how it turns out. And about two weeks into the process, I'm sure everybody knew
everybody fucking knew what they were doing, but you know what everyone did? They stayed
professional. They stuck with it and they turned up to work knowing that they were making
a massive piece of shit, knowing that they were damaging their reputation. They went,
do you know what? I said, I'd do it. So I will. They followed through and that is to
be commended. If you're going to take a shit, you may as well stand next to it. And when
someone goes, is that shit yours? Go, yeah, sorry. I did done goof. Yeah. That's fair.
I can, I can applaud that. I think the, I think everyone involved in the film did a
great job of what they had. It's just a shame that what they had was the equivalent of watching
a homeless man sculpt a stray dog out of his own feces outside of a restaurant. You know
what I mean? So I have a question for you. Go on. Do you think we are reaching in film
and in cinema, the point where most of the approachable, enjoyable stories have been
told so many times that we have to do remakes? No, no, no, I truly don't. I think every,
I think every day I, there are so many films out there. And I mean this like sincerely,
there are so many films out there with bat shit, insane storylines that I would in no
universe have ever been able to conceive in my entire life. You can give me 10,000 lifetimes
and there is not, there is not a timeline where I could conceive of some of the movies
that are out there. I feel like the era that we're in at the moment in, in cinema, it's
very much the home market's dead. Like physical media is dead. It's now down to like collectors
and nostalgia addicts and it's a shame, but it's, it's, you know, money talks at the end
of the day and the home video market makes no fucking money anymore. Fine. We're in the
streaming era, right? People want to sit in the living rooms. They want to pay a nine
pound a month subscription fee and they want access to a hundred thousand films that they
can never watch because it takes two and a half hours to pick what fucking film to watch.
Right. That's, that's the new entertainment and that's fine. Like I'm all right with it
because I enjoy streaming services. I do it a lot myself, but without the physical sales,
without the people going to the theater, without this, I knew that the studios have to make,
they have to take calculated risks. They do. And the calculated risks that they're looking
at is what gets bums in seats. Yeah. What gets people into the theater. What can we,
what can we put as the title? That means people will come just to say that it is shit. Exactly.
And I think the reason that we're here is it's our fault. It's our fault that we're
here because we've bought into convenience over anything else, which is fine. Again,
it's fine. It's going to happen, but all they're doing is they're looking at, we need people
who grew up going to the theater, the fresh popcorn smell, the excitement of sitting in
a room full of strangers, not knowing what you're going to get or sitting there for a
great time. You know, I mean, everyone having the same experience coming out of it, similar
to a concert, right? Yeah, I get that. No one knows anyone, but everyone is there for
the same reason. And you're, all of you together are united for a short period of time. And
it's whether it's a good experience or a bad experience, you all have a takeaway from that,
that bonds you all in that moment. And I think that's a beautiful thing. The theater does
the same. Cinema does the same. Yep. And what they do is studios can look at the heyday,
the cinema's heyday. You know what I mean? Yeah. I think that's a time that's never going
to come back. And if they do that, they're just going to make flops. But this is, this
is the point though. It is never going to come back. But you know what would come back?
The people who miss going to watch Friday the 13th on the big screen. There isn't, there
isn't. There's not enough of us to support an industry anymore. But there's more of us
nostalgia fucking hounds desperate to get back in and relive the glory days. Yeah. Because
people who are willing to sit on their sofa and just watch any old shit for nine, and
a month. Yeah. Because here's my point. I don't, and here's why. Because I worked in
an industry that was decimated by the streaming era. Because when, before I got into music,
when I was a young lad full of piss and vinegar, and I was like, yeah, I'm going to go work
in the music industry. And the way I envisioned the music industry working was the way it
worked for the 20 years prior, right? Yeah, definitely. A band would rent a studio for
four or five weeks. Yep. And for those four or five weeks, they would record the songs
they'd written. Everyone would sort of pull together, create this bit of music, this sort
of 45 minutes, you know, labor over it, give it love. You just do it in that place, in
that time, in that room, on that equipment with those people. Yeah. At the end of the
four weeks, you'd send it off to get mixed off, it would get mixed, then it would go
into the charts and sell. Sure. And it would make money and blah, blah, blah. I got into
the industry. None of that was true anymore. It was people emailing each other files to
be worked on on laptops by themselves. Yep. Coming for two days, they record all the drums.
And the reason for that was, is the money was gone because it used to be that you'd
sell an album for 15 quid. Yep. And now what would happen is someone would buy it on iTunes,
they'd buy the one song they like, they'd buy the single for 65p. Yeah. And what it
removed was the middle class. You could be an unsigned artist and there's millions of
them now on the internet. You can go on YouTube and you can find an artist who's making two
grand a month, which is a sustainable income. You can be a musician earning 30 grand a year,
or you can be Drake or Beyonce. What you can't be is an artist earning a hundred grand and
you need to be an artist earning a hundred grand to have that creative freedom. Cause
an artist earning 30 grand goes, I'm going to give them exactly what they want and not
experiment because I can't fucking afford to. Exactly. Exactly. And that's where I think
cinema is heading. I'm, I'm agreeing with you. I'm agreeing with you wholeheartedly. So taking,
taking the music industry analogy there. So being a stream and is dead, being a stream
and is here and like the whole fucking, you know, home market's gone now. Yep. How many
last world tours of kiss done? I went to their third final tour, right? How many re-releases
of, of classic movies are we going to get? This is what I mean though. This is what I
mean. It's nostalgia hounds that are funding kiss because they're only fuck all from streaming.
They don't earn anything. So they have to do another last tour. Cause they're like,
fuck. Gene Simmons has got like what? 105, 105 illegitimate children that he's paying
alimony for. Do you know what I mean? Child support is expensive when you're in your eighties.
Do you know what I mean? He's got a jump out on stage into a fucking harness and be flung
out across an audience. Dude, he's literally in his eighties. He's going to that's broken
pelvis. You're going to snap. That's what I mean. I think, I think studios are at a point
where they're like, right streaming service. We put out the safe shit. We put out the same
rom-com that we've seen a thousand times, but with prettier people, newer actors. And
we put them on Hawaii. Oh, this time we put them in Fiji or this time it's at a wedding
or this time there's a bit of a time loop. And then that's their fucking bank. They earn
the money there. Yeah. And then what they're doing with the cinema side of stuff is they're
like, well, let's try and fucking, you know, back in the hay day we had alien, we had Friday
things, we had evil dead. We had the fucking grudge coming over from Japan. We had Hills
have eyes from seventies. All this shit was coming out. Let's, let's just fucking do that.
Let's just do that because we'll get the fans of that franchise already in the theater.
We can bank on that fandom going, fuck yeah, man. More of what I love. Let's jump into
that fucking train. And then that's a great, it's a great investment because it's worked
every time I've seen 90% of that list that I said out loud in the cinema. I've seen,
you got a check. Yeah. I seen 90% of it though, because when it was announced, I was like,
Oh, maybe I do love it. There is, that's it. It's nonsensical nostalgia. Fucking hounded
dude. We're all guilty of it. We are all guilty of it. It's insane. But then if you look at
what, if you look at the original films that are making money, right? Dennis Villeneuve,
Christopher Nolan, your guys, Lanthimos, your guys, Lanthimos, stuff like that stuff that
gets bums in seats, but is original storytelling. Yeah. Isn't revitalizing a franchise. Yeah.
Well, we just, I often wonder whether or not we're living in this place where we've always
feel like cinema was better just before we were able to experience it. Because if you
look back at the cinema of the seventies, it's easy to see, Oh, you got Francis Ford
Coppola, you got Steven Spielberg, you got all this. We remember them cause they were
good. What we don't remember is the entire box office year that was full of Star Wars
clones and shit like that. Yeah. Do you think cinema has always been in this state of crisis
or do you think it's worse now? Yeah. I think it's part of the human condition. I don't
think this is a cinema problem. I think this is a, this is a cinema goer problem. Right.
I think it's a consumer problem. 20 years ago. It's always going to be it. We're at
an age now where we were shouting at clouds. We're shaking our fists. A football lands
in our garden. We're like, do that again. I'm going to tell your mom. Do you know what
I mean? It's that we're in that phase now. And I feel like growing up, I've always done
this. Beach Boys were my favorite band and I was always like, God, if I was born a bit
earlier, that would have been great. And then Nirvana were my favorite, were one of my favorite
bands. And I was like, God, if I was born a bit earlier, that would have been great.
And then you start getting into all this stuff and you're like, I'd love to be alive before
Nirvana killed himself. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? That's it. That's the one. And
it's a, it's, it's that kind of shit. And I feel like cinema now we're like, Oh God,
I wish I was alive to experience Nightmare on Elm Street for the first time ever. But
we wouldn't have done, we'd have missed it. And then, and then we'd have gone, Oh, it's
some weird B movie I didn't catch. And then 20 years later we'd have gone, Oh yeah, it
was pretty good, wasn't it? Oh, it's a cult classic. It's fucking incredible. Yes. I've
always loved it, but you've seen it a week ago. Do you know what I mean? Like it's that.
Yeah. It's that. I feel like this happens throughout every, every aspect of, of life
where you continuously feel like it was better a little bit before and nine times out of
10, it's why you stick around for as long as you did. You know what I mean? So are we
saying that the cure for this kind of cinema is that we need to just have a little bit
of fucking willpower and the next time they decide they're going to remake something that
we love, not go. Yeah. That's, I think that would cure it. I think if, well, I mean, I
don't understand how this isn't the cure for it. It's made 5 million in a fucking week.
Yes. Well, I think, I think this doesn't have any cultural relevance anymore. Of course
not. Like I said, back in 2006 when emo and goth and metal was kind of in a hay day. Yeah.
Like dude, I was a Nine Inch Nails fan. Can you imagine this trailer going out on Koran?
I'd have lost my shit. Right. Nine Inch Nails had top five hits in the early 2000s. Right?
Yes. People were listening to alternative music in large numbers. 15 years later, no
one gives a shit. We listened to jazz. Dude, do you remember deftones? Yes. They're still
going. Deftones fans. I haven't heard anything they've done in years because I'm like, Oh,
I really liked that one song that I heard on Koran when I was 15. Like that's it. They're
a great band. 10, 15 years ago. They were fucking amazing. Now I'm like, you know what
I mean? I might, I might put on a bit of, Hey dude, I might just, you know what I mean?
Maybe I'm feeling a little bit of strawberry fields forever today. You see, I feel personally
attacked because I still love deftones. Even every, every year, every time they put out
an album, I tune in, I love it. I go, yeah, this is great. I look at where it is in the
charts. I go, no, number 60, still relevant. It's not, no, it's not. But someone looked
at that and went, it's about time for a Crow remake. I think it's really going to capture
the zeitgeist. That's what I mean. We're all to blame for this. We're all to blame for
this because we've done it countless times in the past. And I don't, I don't, I don't
think there's a cure for it. I think we're just, I think there is, I think we stopped
going. I think we stopped checking. I think we assume. I think that kills cinema. Right.
Okay. That's what I mean. I just think it ends. You know what I mean? Right. Okay. Or,
or we start going to stuff that's good, that doesn't have a huge marketing budget, isn't
broad. And I think this is the, this is the thing that I, I wanted to get to is there
has never been easier access to filmmaking equipment. Yeah. And you have a magic rectangle
in your pocket that you can shoot a fucking film on. Remember when Kevin Smith made clerks
and he had to get four credit cards to sell his entire comic book, sell his entire comic
book collection. Yeah. Right. Don't have to do that anymore. No, there's no longer that
paywall as an entry barrier to making films. Yeah. What there is, is there's so many films
being made that trying to find them through the noise and go, Oh, this is an excellent
little film. Well, that's an excellent little film is next to impossible. Cause there's
700 coming out a week. And they're all from big studios. They're all with like big fucking
things. And then you've got a, you've got all of the indie noise in front of it, but
it's not shouting loud enough because they don't have the marketing budget. Right. Which
is I think it's sifting through that. Yeah. I would very much like an indie defense wall.
It'd just be erected at some point. So I could just go to my local theater, my local chain
theater and go, you know what? I'm gonna, I'm gonna watch this fucking $25,000 budget
indie film about the inner workings of the hippopotamus. You know what I mean? Right.
What really, what really makes this one hippo tick? Or find your local independent cinema
where the staff are the ones picking the movies. Because if you go to a city, you go to a city
or the review, if you go to one, I went to one interview to watch this. It's my nearest
stop supporting you. Stop supporting you. I can't, is that, or it's an hour long drive.
We wouldn't be recording right now. Drive the hour. I don't care. I'll drive the hour.
Stop supporting you. The fucking terrible. I'll pay for you to get a center world unlimited
card if you drive an hour there and back. I don't care.
By the way, regular viewers may have noticed this, this week that we've got a pretty astounding
artwork. We do. We do. Now I'm always incredibly proud of the artwork that you put together,
Ben. That's a good save. But you don't have time every week to hand draw some comic book
art. No, I don't have time any week, Rob. I've never had, I've never once had time for
that. Memento was the last one I did a Christopher Nolan series last year. Memento, I did a tiny
little box drawing. That was it. That's the last. It was beautiful. Thanks man. It was
beautiful. Thanks. Someone who does have the time and also the talent and also we just
love their stuff is an Instagram account called Illustrational Official. They've done the art
for us this week and dude's fucking insane. He's incredible. His art is incredible. Every
single bit of it I look at, I'm like, oh, I love it. If you like Tales from the Crypt,
if you like Silver Age Marvel, if you like just well drawn, beautiful art, go check out
Illustrational Official on Instagram. Not only have they done our artwork this week,
but when we kind of got chatting to them, I was like, look, do you want to rewatch the
original Crow and let us know what your thoughts are? And they did a little riot for us. Fuck
off. That's incredible. Yeah, right. Has he actually done that as well as doing the artwork?
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Is he coming for my job, mate? I will fucking fight you in a car park.
All right. Illustrational Official writes, I just rewatched the Crow movie and it was
amazing to experience it again. It was a little dated for this time, I think, but I can see
now how this was a masterpiece of its time. The dark noir, gritty action packed drama
filled with awesome story. The performance by the cast is superb, especially the outstanding
performance by Brandon Lee, bringing life and depth to an awesome character with his
portrayal of some scenes. If I may add, I love the scene where Eric walks through the
gang members and sits on the table. The visuals of the dark rain soaked noir streets are just
breathtaking. After re-experiencing this masterpiece of a movie, all I can say for the next movie
is it's got some big shoes to fill. Fuck's sake. Oh my god. That's incredible. Yeah.
They're excited enough to make this vintage horror comic style artwork for the Crow movie
and they hope you all like it. I can tell you now, I love it. It's a shame it's for
a movie that is so painfully confused and terrible. Yeah. It's just confused is the
right word. I feel like they were trying to hit too many things at once and they just,
they didn't commit to one lane and they didn't fully deliver on any front and it's upsetting.
I feel like the story was already there. The story was already, I mean, there was a fucking,
there was a TV show about the Crow and it was essentially just a retelling of the story,
of the film, but it was good. I mean, it was fine. It was aggressively fine, but it was
just more of what we loved. In our little summer of bizarre remakes and unnecessary
sequels so far, we've had Romulus. We have. Which if it had just stuck to the events of
the first film, but updated, which we thought it was going to do. Yeah. I thought it was
going to sort of spur on a little bit. If it bridged the gap between alien and aliens,
that'd have been great. Right. I'd have been well up for just crew on a ship with a xenomorph,
but they were like, no, let's do something radically different. Here's the fourth act.
Here's the fifth act. Let's round it out on the seventh act. Fuck off. And now in our
second entry into our summer of bizarre reboots and sequels, they've gone, look at this perfectly
fine story. What if we do something radically different? Yeah. What about if we just take
the core elements and none of the subtext or meaning and then just done? You know what
I mean? What about that? That's fucking, it's silly. It's silly. I look, I'm not a fan of
it. I'm glad if you're a fan of it, I'm glad you are. I genuinely am. I sincerely am very
jealous because I went into this with very low expectations, thinking, hoping that this
was going to be the film to turn it around and I would go, that's all right. It's not
that bad. It's not great. It's not terrible. But I went in with such low expectations and
they didn't get met and it made me angrier somehow. Like I was, do you know what I mean?
Like I wasn't just upset that my expectations weren't met because I wasn't expecting that.
I was upset because I'd lowered them so much actively avoided every fucking spoiler that
was possible and was still came out like what? Why? Why? It's just, it's one of those films
that just doesn't need to exist. It just doesn't need, there was no point to its existence.
It's like an owl. Why do they exist? Moths, moths are sexually attracted to fire and made
of dust. Their existence makes no fucking sense. But I still support moths more than
the crow remake. I mean, you nearly said you support owls more, which is... Yeah, I changed
it rapidly because I was like, I'm not going to be able to, I'm not going to be able to
run that sentence out and take myself seriously ever again. You can't cash that check. No,
fuck no. We're rapidly running out of time. I just want you to check, do we have time?
Go on. For comment corner. We do. Do you mind? I've got something for this. Do you mind if
I speed run comment corner this week? Oh, please do. Yeah. Because I didn't realize
that on our Spotify there was like 50 unpublished comments that I've gone through and published
them all. Some reason, some a while ago. So I'm just going, I'm going to run through,
I'm going to run through real quick on the cry episode, Lindsay bird. I see Rob's Raven
and I raise you an owl. Yes, Ben, I know your weakness. Giant dragon flies too. And she
really does. That is two of my enormous weaknesses. So thank you, Lindsay. I see you, I hear you.
I feel bullied. And then she puts love you guys really. Then I feel less bullied. And
then I feel the love. You know what I mean? Yep. So that's one on the, uh, on the crow
episode on alien Romulus broccoli has put what's a lovely almost rant review. I appreciate
the tastefully put humor. Five star. Amazing. Thank you so much. Uh, Godzilla minus one.
Matt Bolton commented horse head emoji. Uh, little shop of forest. Sean Western put, we'll
now be using the phrase aggressively fine on the daily. Glad this was my first ever
movie ever episode. Welcome on board. Sean. I love you dearly. See you soon. Uh, on limelight
Ryan Ramos four Oh three. But great episode guys. Phenomenal Southern accent. Thank you
very much. You made Charles Chaplin exciting to watch. See Rob, someone did like the fucking
Charlie who understands my love for Charlie. No Rob. And there's two because Isabella commented
mint on the kid. There you go. There's two. The monkey man on poor things. Got me. Got
me crackling just from the title. Thanks for the good times. Keep up the good work. Love
you buddy. Captain America. Deadhead. Put you guys listen to tool slip, not on death
tones. Oh, regretting my previous conversations. Okay. Yeah. We love death tones mate. I like
you both even more now. Ha. I love you too. Deadhead John on our dear hunter episode.
Would love to hear you guys discuss the film. Come and see. Oh, maybe there's many more.
Also I didn't realize how many more there were. So I'm going to end it there and we'll
do a part two at some point in the future. Well, no, no, no. Cause I've got some. Oh,
let's go. So we post to social media quite regularly. We post on many platforms and sometimes
we'll post a clip and it will go popular that week and other times we'll post a clip and
then on a sort of delayed reaction, it will go popular many, many, many weeks later. So
about six months ago, we covered a movie called bone Tomahawk. Yes. Now during the, during
the review of bone Tomahawk, we talked about native peoples in America have always traditionally
been represented as villains, cannibalistic savage villains. And if there's going to be
a sort of a retro Western coming out again, is it necessarily useful for people from that
demographic to see it, to see themselves portrayed so brutally again as truly, truly horrific?
Yeah. So us asking that question as a, as a real, I'm dreading this one already. That's
popped off, right? Okay. Someone has just as we've got some great comments here. Okay.
This is what happens at less than 200 micrograms of testosterone levels. So the stuff the trucks
did was stuff that the Comanche did. And so now it's not okay. You are being foolish.
Imagine even caring. I mean, sure. Yeah. Yeah. Someone's just commented, ha, lames. Right?
Someone else has gone. Are they vegan feminists too? Not until very recently. You were half
correct until about four or five months ago. Yeah. Yeah. But then my favorite one, my favorite
one, you are the type of guys to drive your wives to their boyfriend's house. That's fucking
incredible. How good is that? How good is that? We got some announcements about the
show because we were about to jump into Fincher. Hold on. Don't just push over that. These
people are so upset about being like, it's so unfortunate. Maybe to maybe start being
a little bit more inclusive. They're like, fuck you. You're soft bricks. I love social
media so much. It brings out all the fucking weird worms. You know what I mean? I feel
like that's been a really balanced comment corner this week. That's been great. That's
been the light and the shade. Yeah. Spotify was super positive and then you've just got
TikTok being like fucking dicks. That was YouTube. That was YouTube. That was comment
corner. If you want to be part of next week's comment corner, find us on Instagram, TikTok,
YouTube. We've got this. Go get offended on YouTube because it's fucking hilarious, man.
Out yourself. Just comment under any video and hey, you know, there's a good chance.
There's a good chance it'll make the show. We've got some announcements Ben because we're
about to cover David Fincher. We're about to cover every David Fincher movie ever. We
are. Are we going to start it again with Alien 3? We're not. Alien 3 is done. It's in the
can. I feel like I said everything I needed to say about that film in that episode. Go
listen to it. I can't watch it again. It's a firm favourite of mine. But we did talk
about implementing a swear jar for the Fincher series. Oh God. Yeah, we did. I forgot about
this. We need to clear up our act and it's going to start from next week. Okay. All right.
Yeah. What do you want to do with the swear jar? I think we should implement like a punishment
list. Like if there is a certain amount of swears in an episode, then there is, there
are different things that our Discord community can elect one of us to do. The Discord can
decide. I think this is a purely, this is a Discord moderated swear jar. I feel like
if you want to get involved in it, join our Discord now. We'll put some rules in. If we
hit a certain amount of swears, Discord get to write a 30 second script that one or both
of us have to read out loud on Instagram live straight faced with no context. Do you remember
the last time we did that and we had to give out that reel that was a really positive review
of Madam Web and how deep it was? Yeah. And do you remember that half the people that
watched it weren't our listeners at all. We were being serious. Yeah, that was fun. It
was a really fun week of comments. That was thanks Chris. Okay. Let's do that. Let's do
that. What are you going to, what are you going to rate the Crow remake 2024 Ben? Three.
What are the three points it gets? It has some great scenes. The stairwell scenes great.
I like the fact that I get to watch a bunch of people I don't like die. That was, that
was sort of some sort of cathartic release. Yeah. And I like the fact that all the CGI
birds are actually crows and not fucking ravens. Okay. Fair. Fair. That's a, okay. That's fair.
Other than that, the film has nothing else going for it. Right. Right. And here's the
thing. I would agree with you on all those points. So I would also give it three, but
I'm subtracting three. Yeah. Fair. And here's why I am really bored of being fed shit and
being asked how it tastes. Yeah. And at a certain point I feel like if I'm going to
watch a thing, I'm going to give it two and a half hours, two hours of my time and 11.99
at a cinema ticket, a fucking view cinema that I've had to drive to and get lost on
the motorway and end up in Chepstow and then have to drive back to the cinema again with
very little petrol in the car and get very stressed. Yeah. Crow remake. Yeah. Nah, that's
a zero. Yeah. That's fair. You had a, you had a much tougher time than me. I had a great
time watching it. You know what I mean? Me and Amber from the control old control old
critique podcast when I watched it, we came out with the exact same reactions. Like what,
what, what? So that was fun. It was really fun. So that was great. Thanks for that. And
we should do something with them. We should do something with them. We should do something
with them. We should do something with them relatively soon. Yeah. Maybe, maybe. I mean,
wouldn't want to spoil anything. In the meantime, thank you so much for joining us. That is
all the time we have this week. We love each and every one of you so much. It is actually
unreal. Thank you for the continued support. Thank you for everything you bring to the
table. Cause honestly, without you, we would just be two men all sitting in a room yelling
about shit that no one cares about. But with you there, we're at least not alone yelling
in a room about shit that no one cares about. I don't know how to run that out. This episode
has been as produced as planned as thought about as a movie that we've covered. Yeah.
And it's still a better use of two hours of your time to listen to it twice than it is
to watch the Crow remake. Yeah. To be fair. Yeah. You're not, you're not wrong. Ben is
now going to wrap up the thoughts, themes and feelings of this film to thank you for
spending an hour of your week with us, especially at the start of the week. He's going to give
you a little movie based Monday motivation pep talk while I'm going to do exactly what
this film tells you to do and consume.
They were like, this is the, this is the last lesson that we need as a society, as a human
form to stop thinking that it was bad just six months ago, just a year ago, just five
years ago. Oh, things are so much easier. Things are so much better. It's, it's hard.
You can never go back to it. You can never recapture that. You have to fucking, you have
to move on. We have to move forward individually, collectively together as a people, as a society.
Let's move on. Support your fucking independence, support new exciting stuff. Let's, let's get
back to our roots of where people were creative and progressing and fun and follow themselves
and fucking, if you're going to take something away from the Crow remake, fuck rehab is essentially
the message of the film. I don't, there's nothing else there. I don't know, man. That's
the message of the film. Perfect. Legend.
It was good to see them as very self- daarns again.
Okay.