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Hello everyone and welcome to the Every Movie Ever podcast.

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My name is Ben Gross.

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My name is Rob McFarlane.

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Welcome to the show.

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A movie podcast slash mental health check-in for two broken brain best friends.

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Talking around their problems, but not about their problems whilst laughing at movies.

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Given that this is a thinly veiled mental health check-in, Ben, before we get to what

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we're doing, I feel like it's more important I ask you, how are you doing?

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Thanks babe.

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I'm doing good man.

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I'm having a week off from work, so that's fucking fantastic.

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You bastard.

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I honestly mate, it's incredible.

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I needed it.

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I needed it deep in my bones.

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I volunteered for the boardroom gaming cafe at a science show they did at a national trust

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house.

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So that was really fun.

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I'm today chasing paper rockets all over a field.

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It's because the lovely people in the boardroom gaming cafe at Wellington in Telford.

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Love them.

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Have realised that you need an enabler near you.

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You know, I'm your digital enabler and they're your physical ones.

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So that's good.

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It's nice man.

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You've got some big news.

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Yeah, I'm three years sober as of yesterday.

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So technically I'm three years and one day sober and I'm fucking buzzing my tits off

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about it.

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Oh nice.

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Yeah.

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I need to take a minute just to thank you for being there for all my wobbles because

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honestly, don't think I could have done it without you.

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Don't be silly mate.

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I know I couldn't have done it without you.

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Just trying to play it down a little bit because don't want to get emotional.

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Don't worry about it.

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Honestly, in all sincerity, every single one of those wobbles was a pleasure because it

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made me feel like a more capable person.

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Oh, that's good.

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Yeah.

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See?

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I'm going to read them and one day when I need some ammunition, I'll just read them

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out.

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Do you remember that time you called me crying?

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I do.

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Yeah, I'm not going to do that.

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Honestly.

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Which one?

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Honestly, mate, I couldn't be prouder.

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Thanks man.

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I appreciate it.

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I've got a fucking wicked support network of people around me as well.

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I thank, I can't tag all of them individually because there's too many to list, but I love

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you all.

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And you'd forget one and it'd be really awkward.

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That's what I mean.

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You know what I mean?

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I know if you're listening to this and at any point you've helped me fucking love you.

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Thank you.

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They know who they are.

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I'm towards the end of processing.

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I went through a breakup a few months back.

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I'm sort of processed, I think, and getting towards the end of it and feeling very positive.

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Few months of self care.

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Top tip for those ladies in the Telford area.

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If you hide a vibrator in the bathroom, Ben will just think you're brushing your teeth.

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Very naive.

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Right?

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He'll be like, God, her dental hygiene is spot on.

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Incredible.

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Four times in one day.

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Right.

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Pearly white.

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Immediately after sex.

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He's like, I'm just going to go brush my teeth.

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Oh yeah, but that's just natural though, isn't it?

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That's the story of my life, mate.

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I've started brushing my teeth after sex purely for that reason.

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You know what I mean?

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How are you buddy?

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I'm very nervous.

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I've got an interview coming up.

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Yeah, you do.

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I'm not going to say the job, but it's a job that I'd very much like.

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Yeah, you would.

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I've done a number of secret projects that we're working on.

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To the casual listener, they're just going to be like, yeah.

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But to us, we know how much extra work it is.

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So I was trying to juggle all those hats.

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And then this employer got in touch and went, you know that dream job?

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Fight for it.

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Come see us in person and fight for it.

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I saw your application.

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You fucking smashed it.

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Hopefully.

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It made me jealous of how good it was.

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And I was like, oh, you know what?

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Just fuck you.

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Get the job.

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Go be happy.

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Fuck you.

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Don't don't wear that on the podcast.

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I was going to say, yeah.

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What the fuck was that video edited?

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What are we doing this week, Ben?

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Today we're strapping on our finest PVC.

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We're busting out our fanciest new rock boots.

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I mean, you're just describing a Tuesday.

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But happy Wednesday, buddy.

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And we're slathering on enough face paint to make any juggalo proud as we cover, that's

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what some would call it, cashing in.

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But fuck you.

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Everyone else does it.

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We're the crow from 1994.

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I'm going to be honest.

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I saw the remake coming out.

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I thought that would be fucking hilarious.

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I've seen the trailer.

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It's going to be a fucking car crash.

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Mate, I've seen the trailer so many times and every time I'm like, I don't know.

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I don't know if I can.

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I don't know if I can.

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We're going to be covering that on the week of its release.

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Yeah.

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Terrifying.

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Super fun.

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So we thought, you know what?

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We'll hop on this train and we'll rewatch the original.

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And I was a bit conflicted about it because I watched the original a lot as a pre-team.

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Oh, shocker.

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But it had a bit of an effect on the following years for me in terms of fashion, music, magicians,

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outfits, romance, style.

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Sure.

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Sure love me when I'm dead.

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And I was a bit wary of revisiting it.

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Now I have.

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I feel like it's time for the Goth Renaissance, mate.

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I feel like I've let it slip.

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And you're getting the duster.

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You're busting the duster out.

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Mate, if I stop working in the kitchen, I can get back on the fucking nail polish.

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I've been dying to do that.

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Save this spiel until after you've done the job interview.

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And then if you get the new one, there you go.

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But manifesting it, mate.

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I'm manifesting it.

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All right.

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We're chatting away.

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We've got loads to get into.

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We're going to be getting into how the production of The Crow is cursed.

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Yeah.

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I've got a fucking chunk for that one, buddy.

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I've also got a little bit on how the curse is still in effect to this day.

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Oh, okay.

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That'd be fun.

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We've also got what comic book movies were like before the likes of Marvel and DC started

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shoving three new entries of any old shit into theaters every fucking year.

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Yes, we do, buddy.

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And we've also got the cultural effects of The Crow had on cinema and how the source

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material for this film helped heal a deep, heartbreaking tragedy.

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What I love about this, Ben, is the listener will not realize that it's taken us 25 minutes

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to get to this point because both of us apparently can't speak.

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Yes, sir.

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It's a Wednesday and I'm melting.

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So this movie came out in 1994, budget 23 million, raked in 51 million at the box office,

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fucking smashed it.

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We are obviously covering it because we're cashing in on the reboot coming out.

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Give us the fucking eyeballs.

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Give us the numbers.

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Know what I mean?

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We've just hit 81,000 downloads.

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No, I know.

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We have.

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We have.

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We have.

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But I disagree.

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I genuinely, I rewatched this and I was like, why haven't we covered this before?

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Oh, so you mean the first idea.

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I was like, yeah, cashing in.

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I've since rewatched the film and I'm like, this is like a core memory for me and I don't

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know why I've not brought it.

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I've got so much to say about this that would have been relevant a year ago.

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And yeah, I think I just blocked it out because I'm trying to block out who I was as a teenager,

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you know?

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I think that's a fair coping mechanism.

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Thank you.

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I'm assuming you didn't watch this as a teenager.

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That was so mean.

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I'm so sorry.

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I owe you like a bunch of those.

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That's fine.

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I watched this fairly recently, like the last few years, because it's always been one of

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those films where I'm like, yeah, I'll get around to watching it.

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I just never watched it and I was completely on the train of, I've never seen The Crow.

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Yeah, it's fine.

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It's all this, like the other.

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Rewatched it recently, have seen The Crow.

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Have seen it.

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I've grown up with that in my mind for a little while.

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Just didn't know it was The Crow.

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Don't know why?

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Why?

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Probably because they use fucking ravens in the film.

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It's not crows.

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It's big crows.

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It's a big crow.

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It's not big crows.

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I know.

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I know you could say a big crow is a raven.

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You can't.

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They're very different creatures with different calls.

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Again, I'm teenage me is coming out.

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Pushing my fucking glasses up my nose and talking about spooky birds.

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I know.

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Let's play the jingle for the breakdown.

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Regular listeners will know that this is where we go through in detail what happens in this

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film just so you know what the fuck we're talking about later.

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It's a spoiler warning.

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You've been warned.

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In case 1994 to 2024 is not enough time.

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It's 30 years.

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It's 30 years anniversary of Brandon Lee's death.

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Well, yeah.

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Because it would coincide with the filming of The Crow.

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Right?

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I don't know.

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I don't know the facts about this yet.

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You've not told me.

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Oh my God.

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I'm going to start the breakdown.

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This is going to be the show this week.

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I'm in a fighting mood.

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The Crimes are out in force.

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The Crimes?

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The Crimes are out in force, setting fire to shit and being a general nuisance.

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While they're at it, they violently murder rock musician Eric Draven whilst raping his

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fiance Shelley, which frankly is just not on.

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It's too far.

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A year passes and Eric is resurrected by a mystical crow, returning as a vengeful spirit

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driven by the need for revenge and harlequin makeup and songs by The Cure.

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Yes, sir.

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Eric uses his newfound super goth powers to hunt down and kill the gang members responsible

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for his and Shelley's murder.

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Along the way, he forms a close bond with the ex-Ghostbuster Winston Zeddemore, who's

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working these days as a Detroit cop.

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Having seen it all before in New York, Winston isn't all that bothered that Eric is literally

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returned from the dead.

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That's so true.

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Right.

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I figured that's just...

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Yeah.

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He just sees him and he goes, oh, I've seen worse.

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Oh, dude.

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Right.

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When you're dead.

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Yeah.

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That's fucking...

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That's crazy.

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Right.

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He drops in to see Sarah, a young girl that his dead fiance, Shelley, used to babysit.

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Although they only ever talk about the weather.

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Can't rain all the time.

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Can't rain all the time, bud.

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As he slowly kills his way through the gang, Crime Lord and my absolute teenage idol, Top

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Dollar.

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Oh, god.

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You fucking cringe bag.

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Learns of Eric's resurrection.

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Right.

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He's just the coolest fucking guy.

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He's really not.

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He's the coolest fucking guy, Ben, and I'll get into it.

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He's the sort of person that holds a door open at a restaurant and then gets angry when

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people don't say thank you immediately.

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Do you know what I mean?

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No, he's not.

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No, he's not.

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Yes, he is.

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Moving on.

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He learns of Eric's resurrection by spooky bird and he seeks the spooky bird power for

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himself.

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He's definitely into some sort of super kinky shit involving necromancy, or at least his

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girlfriend is, and looking at her, I'd probably change my hobbies too, if I'm honest.

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Sorry.

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Girlfriend?

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You mean half sister?

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His father's daughter.

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Yeah, okay.

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I'd forgotten that bit.

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You've forgotten that bit.

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Yeah, yeah, that's fine.

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Sorry.

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This is your super idol.

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It didn't fit into my vision of what I wanted to be.

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No, that's fine.

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He kidnaps the young Weather fan, Sarah, and lures Eric into a final confrontation, injuring

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the spooky bird and cancelling Eric's hot topic membership of the Supergoth powers.

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In a climactic sword fight on a church roof in the rain at night, bleeding profusely, Eric

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defeats Top Dollar, channeling his dead fiance's pain directly through the gangster, causing

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him to fall off the roof onto a fucking gargoyle.

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With his vengeance taken, Eric returns to the grave, reunited with Shelly in the afterlife.

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I'm going to just recap the film, but before I do, in this last paragraph, I'm just going

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to read out all the goth words.

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Sword, church roof, rain, night, bleeding, dead fiance, pain, fall off the roof onto

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a gargoyle, vengeance, return to the grave, afterlife.

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To recap, a sexy zombie fights gangsters with his healing powers, his John Woo Gun Fu, and

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some kick-ass fucking songs.

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John Woo Gun Fu.

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It is.

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Outstanding.

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It's pre-Matrix, it's pre-Blade.

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It is.

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It's just, we've seen Hard Boiled, and we want a bit of that.

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Yeah, true, true.

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Give me your initial reaction to this film, so rewatching it for this show, you're watching

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it, you're thinking, fuck Top Dog, that's the one.

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No, less so now.

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That's the one.

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Maybe I'll grow my hair out, you know what I mean?

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His missus is bailing.

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His half-sister, sure.

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Right, but you only find that out after you've seen her in the shower.

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Doesn't make it better.

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They do a shitload of cocaine, but he's got an incredible voice.

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He's got a great voice.

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He's got really flamboyant fashion sense.

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Sure.

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He's got goons, he's got a nightclub that he owns, and he's got a fit missus, who you

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later find out is his half-sister.

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Stop calling his half-sisters his missus.

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It's so, I just like calling Leia Luke's missus.

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It doesn't fucking work once you know the reveal.

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Stop it.

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Do you know what I mean?

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I'd forgotten quite how definitively this is the ultimate goth film, and I'm going to

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get into that.

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It was like coming home to a film that had meant an awful lot, but I only realise now

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on the re-watch how much it had clearly affected me.

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Right, I got you.

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At the time I was like, that's a cool film.

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And then proceeded to a copy.

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Lived your life.

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I didn't want to buy it, but was unaware of the fact that that's what I was doing.

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And re-watching it I was like, oh.

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Is this why we keep getting emails to the podcast account being sort of like, you're

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trying to register the domain TrashNightclubLLC.com?

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Is this why it's key?

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If I had a nightclub, I would call it trash.

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Come on.

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Damn.

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Of course I would.

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I'm just going to start calling you Top Dollar from here on out.

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Mate, if you could, that would really make my life.

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Rob Dollar.

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There you go, mate.

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Rob Dollar.

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Fucking ridiculous.

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So also brilliant.

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But also fantastic.

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No, I do kind of low key love it.

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I watched this film again for the podcast a couple of times because I can't just watch

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things once.

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It is great.

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And it's one of those films that's escaped my memory.

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And I've always been like, you know, when you see those posts on Facebook, hi, I need

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some help finding this film.

386
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's always been one of those to me, but I can't accurately describe it because it's

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always sort of like Skinny Man with a city on fire and everyone's like, what the fuck

389
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are you talking about?

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Watching it again.

391
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You mean the rapper, Skinny Man?

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Because see what I mean?

393
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There's too many avenues to go down.

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It's fucking impossible.

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But watching it again, I was like, there was a few core scenes that hit me way different

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this time around because they're just, A, I didn't realize how fucking sweet and wholesome

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this film is the first time around watching it.

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It's incredibly sweet.

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It's funny.

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And it's got its tongue in its cheek and it's also sinister as fuck.

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But also it's a real fucking rare example of a comic book movie that's faithful to the

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original in so many ways, but also doesn't lose sight of the message the comic book was

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trying to present.

404
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Doesn't stick to the source material against its own quality.

405
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Exactly.

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There are some, there's like, there's two avenues are we've completely disregarded the

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source material, fuck yourselves fans or it's all fan service and somebody walking in off

408
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the street has no fucking clue what's happening.

409
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Yeah.

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Like don't get me wrong.

411
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I love comic book movies and I love video game movies and I love all this stupid shit,

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but I like them for the wrong reasons.

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Like Uwe Boll is unashamedly one of my favorite directors of all times just because the amount

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of shit that that man has put out is insane.

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Like it's like he just, he takes something that I love and goes, I'm just going to fucking

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ruin this.

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It's exciting for me now to go, I wonder how he's ruined this franchise for me.

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I wonder how he's ruined it for me.

419
00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:33,000
Yeah.

420
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It's such a fun game to play.

421
00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,040
Like sitting down to watch an Uwe Boll movie.

422
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It's like being the orderly in a Northern Irish prison in the eighties.

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Yes.

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Just going, I know there's going to be shit on the walls, but I wonder what he's painted

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with it.

426
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Exactly.

427
00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:46,720
Exactly.

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That's exactly what it is.

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So I love, I love comic book movies and video game movies and like stuff like that because

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Marvel and DC, they've trashed everything.

431
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Marvel and DC, I'm going to defend them here.

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They've had 20 years of incredible box office success.

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Oh, thousand.

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00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:02,920
Don't get me wrong.

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00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,920
Films that were originally eight and nines out of tens.

436
00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:06,920
Yeah.

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00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:08,720
And they've now sunk to four out of tens.

438
00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:09,720
Yeah.

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00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:11,680
And I hear you, they're ruining it now.

440
00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:12,680
Yeah.

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But the reason they're ruining it is because they're trying to get bums on seats, which

442
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is never the right reason to ruin something.

443
00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:18,960
Exactly.

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Have some fucking dignity and ruin it the way Uwe Boll does.

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For just mad cocaine decisions.

446
00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:25,800
Just ruin a franchise.

447
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The same reason that Uwe Boll does for a tax loophole and German law.

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Do you know what I mean?

449
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Just if you're going to do it, do it for the right reasons.

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Fuck it with malice.

452
00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:35,040
Yeah.

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He doesn't give a shit about corporate gain.

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It's what's in his pocket that counts.

455
00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:43,780
Exactly.

456
00:16:43,780 --> 00:16:47,040
So the source material for the crow, I've done a little bit of digging on this and fuck

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me mate.

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It like, it broke me a little bit.

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00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:50,040
Okay.

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So obviously we've established I'm the goth of the pair.

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So I'm going to know all of this.

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So you're telling me so you can tell the audience because I'm just like the most informed goth

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guy ever.

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All right, Rob Daller, calm your tits.

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I'm going to get into it a little bit.

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So the crow is a comic book written and illustrated by James O'Barr.

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He lost his fiance when he was 18 years old in a car accident with a drunk driver.

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Did he?

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Heartbreaking.

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I mean, so yeah, no, I knew that.

471
00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:19,280
Yeah.

472
00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:20,280
Obviously you did.

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Yeah.

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So go on.

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So he lost his fiance at 18 years old after a car accident with a drunk driver.

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The crow and the comic book are, was a type of personal therapy to help him deal with

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his grief.

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So he's explained that he realized all of the other ways that he tried to deal with

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his grief were just ultimately numbing his pain.

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They weren't, they weren't processing.

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It wasn't helping him deal with it.

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And it wasn't until he found this creative outlet, which was the comic book art, that

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he was finally able to start truly healing.

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And A, it's fucking heartbreaking the situation it was in, but B, for him to find something

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that genuinely helped him heal is gorgeous.

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It just, it, I was welling up, man.

487
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I was welling up and I was like, you know what?

488
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I love this guy.

489
00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:08,040
I love this guy so much already.

490
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We are weird creatures in that terrible, terrible things can happen to us.

491
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Yeah.

492
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Like the worst things imaginable.

493
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And the things that often help us come back from that can often be quite inane.

494
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Yes.

495
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Like, okay, it's a graphic novel.

496
00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:24,440
It didn't start as that.

497
00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:26,920
It will have started as him doing drawing.

498
00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:27,920
Yeah.

499
00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:32,680
And I love the fact that something is innocent as what you're doing to deal with your grief.

500
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Doing some drawings.

501
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Drawing, drawing, drawing.

502
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It's a legitimate, it's a legitimate thing.

503
00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:37,760
Right.

504
00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:39,400
And you can say it's small, it's this, that or the other.

505
00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:40,600
It's not, it's the biggest thing in the world.

506
00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:41,600
Of course it is.

507
00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:43,640
We do a fucking podcast for fuck sakes and it helps.

508
00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,040
This is us dealing with our shit and this is our little creative outlet.

509
00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:47,040
Do you know what I mean?

510
00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,600
But this, I mean, if this just went out to one person and it was just me and you doing

511
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this every week, I would still be just as excited.

512
00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:52,640
Oh God, yeah.

513
00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:54,640
I'd be lonelier, but I'd be just as excited.

514
00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,160
And still tell your friends for fuck sakes.

515
00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:58,920
But yeah, one person would be fine.

516
00:18:58,920 --> 00:18:59,920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

517
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But also that one person tell a friend.

518
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You know what I mean?

519
00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:09,600
So James O'Barr, he was also inspired by an actual crime that he read about for the story

520
00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:11,920
of the, for the story of the crow.

521
00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:18,400
He was moved by another tragedy that would sort of enforce the story of the comic book.

522
00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:23,480
There was a story of a couple being robbed for their engagement ring and the thief needlessly

523
00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,120
taking their lives in the process.

524
00:19:26,120 --> 00:19:31,520
And O'Barr said, O'Barr said that the sad story inspired Eric Draven's mission of revenge

525
00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:32,760
after becoming the crow.

526
00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:33,760
Right.

527
00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:37,480
And the things that Draven would do in order to set right the injustice that ultimately

528
00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,400
drove him and his love apart.

529
00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:40,880
I've got a quote from him.

530
00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:41,880
Right.

531
00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:45,560
He says that became the beginning of the focal point.

532
00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:51,440
The idea that there could be a love so strong and this soul would not rest until it could

533
00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,080
set things right.

534
00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:58,800
And if that isn't the fucking sweetest thing to pull on your heartstrings, knowing the

535
00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:03,560
backstory of why you created this, this franchise is that doesn't tug on your heartstrings.

536
00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:04,560
You're a fucking monster.

537
00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,060
I'm sorry to inform you.

538
00:20:06,060 --> 00:20:07,060
You are a monster.

539
00:20:07,060 --> 00:20:08,060
Yeah.

540
00:20:08,060 --> 00:20:09,060
Yeah.

541
00:20:09,060 --> 00:20:10,320
You're the sort of person who robs someone for their engagement ring.

542
00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:11,320
This is what I mean.

543
00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,080
You're the one person unaffected by that story.

544
00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:14,080
And it's him.

545
00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:15,080
Yeah.

546
00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:16,080
That person that stole the fucking engagement ring.

547
00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:17,080
Fuck you.

548
00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:18,080
Evil Sonic.

549
00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:19,080
Even Rob Dollar is affected by this.

550
00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:20,080
You know what I mean?

551
00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,280
He's top dog criminal with his fucking duster.

552
00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:24,280
Unbelievable.

553
00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,360
I knew some of the design.

554
00:20:27,360 --> 00:20:28,920
I've not really read the comic book.

555
00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:29,920
Okay.

556
00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:31,280
Because I'm not a massive comic book.

557
00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:32,280
I skim.

558
00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:33,480
Like I'm very superficial.

559
00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:34,480
I've read Watchmen.

560
00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:35,480
I've read V for Vendetta.

561
00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:36,480
Sure.

562
00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:37,480
Sam and things like that.

563
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:38,680
Although I can't read Sam and any more.

564
00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:39,680
Right.

565
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,960
And I did know was based on the singer, Pete Murphy.

566
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:43,960
Okay.

567
00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:44,960
His visual design.

568
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:45,960
I was going to say how.

569
00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:53,960
He was not held up by Evil Sonic for his engagement ring, but he was the singer of Bauhaus.

570
00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:54,960
Who did.

571
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:56,440
So did you just say Evil Sonic for his engagement ring?

572
00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,400
I said it for the fifth time.

573
00:20:58,400 --> 00:20:59,400
I've said it six times.

574
00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:00,400
Have you actually?

575
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:01,400
Yeah.

576
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:02,680
I'm so sorry I didn't pick up on that.

577
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,880
That's A. That's awful.

578
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:06,880
And B. Fucking well done.

579
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,840
I'm glad it finally.

580
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:10,840
Come on.

581
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,840
It took a minute.

582
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:13,840
Yeah.

583
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:14,840
Yeah.

584
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:15,840
Yeah.

585
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:16,840
Yeah.

586
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:17,840
I fucking duster in the bowl.

587
00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,440
I never had a duster.

588
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:26,440
I grew up listening to Bauhaus because my mom was a massive eighties goth.

589
00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:27,440
Okay.

590
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:28,760
They did Bella Lugosi is dead.

591
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,480
They did a whole bunch of stuff that was fucking excellent.

592
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:33,480
Yeah.

593
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:34,480
They did a great cover of Telegram.

594
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:35,680
Sam, they do anyway.

595
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:36,680
Great band.

596
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,360
And that was kind of the music I grew up on.

597
00:21:38,360 --> 00:21:44,600
My mom was really into like Soft Cell, Bauhaus, the birthday party, the cure.

598
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:45,800
Such good bands.

599
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:46,800
Great bands.

600
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:47,800
But she was also into opera.

601
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:48,800
Figure that one out.

602
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,640
And so your mom just gets more attractive by the each episode we talk about your mom.

603
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:53,640
She just gets more and more attractive.

604
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:54,640
You know what I mean?

605
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,880
I'm going to send her a text after this.

606
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:57,880
I haven't spoke to her in a while.

607
00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:58,880
You know what I mean?

608
00:21:58,880 --> 00:21:59,880
Yes.

609
00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:00,880
Because she's angry with you.

610
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:01,880
I won't say that.

611
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:02,880
You'll only enjoy it more.

612
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:03,880
Yeah.

613
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:04,880
I was going to say what?

614
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:05,880
You serious?

615
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:06,880
Fuck yeah.

616
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:07,880
Fuck text.

617
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:08,880
I'm in the car.

618
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,760
See you in two hours mate.

619
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:18,640
But the Crow for me represents like the sort of birth, the mainstream acceptance of goth

620
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:27,080
culture into movies because superheroes before this, you had Batman, which was like Tim Burton

621
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:28,080
whimsical.

622
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,080
OK.

623
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:30,080
But I've got a bit on this.

624
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:31,080
I've got a bit of a list on this.

625
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,680
I'm going to rock your brain with because there's a few that I don't think you're going

626
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:34,680
to think of.

627
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:35,680
But yeah, we had Batman.

628
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:36,680
We had Superman.

629
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,720
We had a bunch of like light family adventure movies.

630
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:40,720
Yes.

631
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,480
And if you were going to go fantastical, you were going to go family friendly.

632
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:44,480
Yeah.

633
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:45,480
1000%.

634
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,840
This I feel like there's a quote from Top Dollar, right?

635
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,040
And he talks about where is it?

636
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:51,040
I've got it here.

637
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,160
He says, a man has an idea.

638
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,580
The idea attracts others like minded.

639
00:22:56,580 --> 00:22:57,860
The idea expands.

640
00:22:57,860 --> 00:23:00,800
The idea becomes an institution.

641
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:01,920
What was the idea?

642
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,640
And that's what's been bothering me, boys.

643
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:08,820
And I'll tell you, when I used to think about the idea itself, it put a big old smile on

644
00:23:08,820 --> 00:23:10,220
my face.

645
00:23:10,220 --> 00:23:15,400
This film ends up sort of spawning a bunch of stuff later on.

646
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:16,400
Yeah.

647
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:21,940
But before this, before it does all that, before it's an institution, the idea was

648
00:23:21,940 --> 00:23:29,180
Bauhaus, The Cure, Soft Cell, that goth, new romantic energy of like, we read poetry,

649
00:23:29,180 --> 00:23:33,040
we like castles and lace, and the music's fucking great.

650
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,320
Tom Cruise is the best vampire I've ever seen.

651
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:36,320
Right.

652
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:37,320
Exactly.

653
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:38,320
Yeah, sure.

654
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,680
Before it all turned bad and all got institutionalized and ends up in, we'll get to where it ends

655
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:43,680
up.

656
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:48,920
But it's this little pocket of like, if you like this tune and you like this subculture,

657
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:50,160
here's your Hollywood movie.

658
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,840
Here's your sort of avatar and your superhero.

659
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:59,080
It was made for a specific subset of people in respect of those subset of people, not

660
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,960
capitalizing on their culture or their fashion or their belief.

661
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:03,960
You know what I mean?

662
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,880
It was before this group of people became a demographic.

663
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:07,880
Yes.

664
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:08,880
No, yeah, that's a great way of putting it.

665
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,360
To be catered to.

666
00:24:10,360 --> 00:24:11,360
Yes.

667
00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:14,680
And it's really, really special for me because of that.

668
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,000
Because yeah, you didn't have that kind of superhero.

669
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,600
You didn't have a dark gritty.

670
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,320
You had fantastical Tim Burton Batman was the closest thing.

671
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,920
And he's handing fucking clowns dynamite.

672
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:26,920
Yeah.

673
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:28,240
He still kills that guy.

674
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,760
He pushes him down a fucking tube and he's dead.

675
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:31,760
Like that's the thing.

676
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:32,760
Anyway.

677
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:33,760
I mean, you did this in our Batman episode.

678
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:34,760
I know.

679
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:35,760
It still bothers me.

680
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,560
So I've got I've gone into it a little bit.

681
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:42,720
I've gone back through every comic book movie released before The Crow.

682
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:43,720
Haven't watched them.

683
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:44,720
Oh my God.

684
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:45,720
Just looked at them.

685
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:46,720
OK.

686
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,360
And the few that I pulled out where I was like, OK, well, that's like a direct thing

687
00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:49,600
that I'm aware of.

688
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,200
Obviously, if I've missed some, reach out to us and let us know.

689
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:54,200
Barbarella.

690
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:55,200
Way back.

691
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,200
Way, way back.

692
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:57,200
Barbarella.

693
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:58,200
Wow.

694
00:24:58,200 --> 00:24:59,200
You've gone way far back.

695
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:00,200
Yeah.

696
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:01,200
Also, Barbarella.

697
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:02,200
Research these last couple of weeks.

698
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:03,200
I'm not sure if you're doing something or something.

699
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:04,200
What's going on?

700
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:05,200
I'm trying to impress you.

701
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:06,200
Working every week.

702
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,200
Every week.

703
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:08,960
You're like, yeah, I was reading.

704
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:09,960
I was reading an encyclopedia.

705
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:10,960
Yeah.

706
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:11,960
Now you've gone.

707
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,040
I've researched every comic book movie before this.

708
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:15,600
So starting with Barbarella.

709
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:16,800
Also, I did watch.

710
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,400
I did watch a couple of Barbarella movies.

711
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:20,400
Stunning, stunning.

712
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,400
Like new crush unlocked.

713
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:23,400
It's a whole fucking thing.

714
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:24,400
We'll get into it.

715
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,840
We'll cover a movie soon, but we'll get into it then.

716
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:27,840
You know what I mean?

717
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:28,840
Yeah.

718
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:29,840
You've mentioned Superman one, two and three.

719
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:30,840
We've had Supergirl.

720
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,520
Obviously, we had Martin Serena.

721
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:34,880
He told us a great story about Supergirl.

722
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,880
Go listen to that interview.

723
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:37,880
Swamp Thing.

724
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:38,880
Buck Rogers from the 20s.

725
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:39,880
Buck Rogers in the 21st century.

726
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:40,880
Would you say he's superhero?

727
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:41,880
Yeah.

728
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:46,680
He's in the Flash Gordon sense, I guess.

729
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:47,680
Yeah.

730
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,400
And then we also had Flash Gordon and then we also had Toxic Avenger.

731
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,500
We had the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, but most importantly, and possibly the most criminally

732
00:25:55,500 --> 00:26:00,120
forgotten comic book movie that exists, Howard the Duck.

733
00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:01,120
Oh.

734
00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:02,120
Yeah.

735
00:26:02,120 --> 00:26:05,920
The only film where you will ever see human tits on a duck.

736
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:10,040
I don't want to come back with the human tits on a duck chat.

737
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,920
We've done it and it was horrible and I don't want to do it again.

738
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:13,920
Shit haunts me.

739
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:14,920
It haunts me.

740
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:19,080
Like it's the weirdest visual representation I've ever seen in cinema.

741
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:20,080
Incredible.

742
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,080
Awful, but incredible.

743
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:22,080
Because that implies that ducks breastfeed.

744
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:23,080
Yeah.

745
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:24,080
But they've got bills.

746
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:25,080
Yeah.

747
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,080
Imagine.

748
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:27,080
Let that settle in for a bit.

749
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:28,080
Pause the episode.

750
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,080
Go watch Howard the Duck.

751
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:30,080
It's fucked.

752
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,080
Don't do that.

753
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,480
There's a T-Rex in it for some reason.

754
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,040
But rule in the era, we had Batman and Batman Returns.

755
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,040
We had the Tim Burton.

756
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:42,240
It was a very cliched, very over the top, very sort of stylized super goth.

757
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:43,920
Oh, it's so dark.

758
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:44,920
Grim dark.

759
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:45,920
Oh.

760
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,280
But it was comic book rendered visually as it is on the page.

761
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:50,280
Do you know what I mean?

762
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:51,280
Of course.

763
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:56,160
It was the melodrama of the page was brought to the screen and they're fantastic films

764
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:57,160
for doing it.

765
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,920
And dude, that wasn't a negative thing at all.

766
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,440
They're incredible movies.

767
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,840
Now The Crow is a wildly different cutlerfish, right?

768
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:11,240
Because it's such a fucking massive gamble for Paramount when they picked up the rights.

769
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:17,360
Because like you've just said, moviegoers before The Crow, it was very family friendly.

770
00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:21,720
They were very sort of like, I'm here to save the day with my big muscles.

771
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:22,720
But then all of a sudden...

772
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:23,720
Yeah.

773
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,000
If you were being sold emotion, you weren't being sold fantasy.

774
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,840
They were tapped in separate arenas.

775
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:29,840
Yeah.

776
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,960
But whereas in this one, you've got a skinny goth boy.

777
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:33,960
Murder spree.

778
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:34,960
Yeah.

779
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:35,960
Do you know what I mean?

780
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,960
Like that's wildly out of left field for a comic book movie.

781
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,960
And Paramount were like, we can gamble on it.

782
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:40,960
That's fine.

783
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:41,960
Yeah.

784
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:42,960
That's fine.

785
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:43,960
Yeah.

786
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:44,960
It didn't do great for them though, did it?

787
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,280
Well, I mean, no, because someone stepped in.

788
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:52,280
I have something on this shortly, but someone else had to step in and that's fine.

789
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:53,280
Right.

790
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:54,280
Okay.

791
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:55,280
Let's just get to it now.

792
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:56,280
Are you ready for this?

793
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:57,280
Yeah.

794
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:58,960
So we've got our little page of notes that we can both see, right?

795
00:27:58,960 --> 00:27:59,960
Yeah.

796
00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:00,960
And it's just headlines.

797
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:01,960
Yeah.

798
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,040
And then there's one, which is just...

799
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,360
The biggest paragraph in existence.

800
00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:06,360
Yeah.

801
00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:09,300
No, it's bigger than the paragraph you had for Pearl.

802
00:28:09,300 --> 00:28:11,640
And we only got 5% of the way through that.

803
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:12,640
Yeah.

804
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,200
So because I'm obviously the gothest goth that ever lived, I probably know all this.

805
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:17,200
I mean...

806
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,200
So when I hit something I know, I'll just be like, yeah, skip.

807
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:21,200
Listeners don't need to know.

808
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:22,200
They don't care.

809
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,200
Yeah.

810
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:24,200
All right.

811
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:25,200
All right.

812
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:26,200
They do.

813
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:27,640
So I'm very proud of my research.

814
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,840
This is like, this is in depth.

815
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:34,160
So when you suggested covering the crow, I was like, it's Rob's...

816
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:35,640
This is going to be Rob's film.

817
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,800
I need to do some shit.

818
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:42,160
Everyone knows it's like the cursed film, you know, obviously like rest in peace, Brandon

819
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:43,160
Lee.

820
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:44,160
This was his last film.

821
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:49,880
He was very unfortunately, very unfortunately famously shot and killed whilst filming a

822
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:50,880
scene for this film.

823
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:51,880
Oh yeah.

824
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:52,880
Oh yeah.

825
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:53,880
Okay.

826
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:54,880
So I guess that you knew that one, but that's fine.

827
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:55,880
Yeah, I knew that one.

828
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,200
I mean, I think I went through the production a little bit by little bit because it's a

829
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,000
pretty fucking mental story.

830
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,960
The fact that this film ever came out to be honest with you.

831
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,600
So got that face on you where it's like, you're about to tell me something insane and you're

832
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:08,600
just grinning.

833
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:09,600
Yeah.

834
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,960
It's this is my shit eating grin because you're about to eat shit.

835
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:12,960
You ready for this?

836
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:13,960
Rob Daller.

837
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:14,960
Ready?

838
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:15,960
Yeah.

839
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:20,600
The crow famously cursed production with the unfortunate death of Brandon Lee on set,

840
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:21,880
which everyone has heard about.

841
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,760
And I'm, I know that you've heard about this Rob Daller.

842
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,040
I know you know about this.

843
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,040
Yeah.

844
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:30,120
And it's always been in one telling or another, there's, there's so much misinformation and

845
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,960
rumors and all this shit to spread.

846
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,520
And it's, it, the mud, the, the water's a little muddy.

847
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:35,520
You know what I mean?

848
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:36,520
Yeah.

849
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,280
But the production mate, it had so fucking much more going on.

850
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:40,280
It's actually unreal.

851
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:41,920
I'd not heard about most of this shit, to be honest.

852
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:46,280
I'd heard a few rumors, but getting to the actual facts is ridiculous.

853
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:54,680
So before production had even started, a mysterious caller phoned the production crew and left

854
00:29:54,680 --> 00:30:00,680
a voicemail on one of the answering machines stating that they should not make the crow

855
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:01,680
movie.

856
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:06,760
And if they, if this film was to be made, many bad things would happen.

857
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:07,760
Okay.

858
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:08,760
Ominous, right?

859
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:14,560
I mean, yeah, ominous, but then I also would need like a sample of how many calls any movie

860
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:19,860
gets from a nutter going, you absolutely should not make the cat and the hat three.

861
00:30:19,860 --> 00:30:22,520
Because if you do, bad things will happen.

862
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,800
But that one you can believe because you know what I'm saying?

863
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:26,800
Hindsight.

864
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:27,800
Yeah.

865
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:28,800
So obviously this one was ignored.

866
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:29,800
It was fine.

867
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:30,880
But did you know, did you know about the phone call there?

868
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:31,880
Rob dollar?

869
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:32,880
Did you know that the mysterious voicemail?

870
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:33,880
Yeah, you knew that one.

871
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:34,880
Yeah, of course.

872
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:35,880
All right.

873
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:36,880
Yeah.

874
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:37,880
Sounds sounds sounds sounds sounds sounds.

875
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:38,880
Stuff, mate.

876
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:39,880
Day one stuff of golf school.

877
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:40,880
Yeah.

878
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:41,880
Yeah.

879
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:42,880
Day one stuff of golf school.

880
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:43,880
All right.

881
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:48,200
So day one on the set of the crow, an electrician was working on a cherry picker, like a crane

882
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:49,200
on the back of a truck.

883
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:50,200
Yeah.

884
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:55,920
And his cage collided with a bunch of electrical wires like overhead electrical wires that

885
00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:01,320
sent an ungodly amount of electricity surging through his entire body, cooking his internal

886
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,000
organs, setting him on fire.

887
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,680
After being rushed to the hospital.

888
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:07,960
Now thank fuck.

889
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:08,960
Right.

890
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:09,960
He survived.

891
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:10,960
What?

892
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:16,400
He had to have his ears amputated due to the accident and suffered severe second and third

893
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,800
degree burns on his internal organs and his external.

894
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:25,280
Oh, God, they suveyed the lucky they fucking.

895
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,280
Oh, my God.

896
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:28,280
Jesus Christ.

897
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,880
I also love the fact that that's not in the notes.

898
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,880
You just you just you just had that because I said one.

899
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,880
Yeah, you knew that one, though, right?

900
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:37,880
Yeah.

901
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:38,880
Yeah, yeah.

902
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:39,880
Yeah, you knew that one.

903
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:40,880
Obviously, Rob Duller knows all, mate.

904
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,560
So also on day one, though, bird, I don't know if you know this one.

905
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,320
The same day an equipment truck was set on fire.

906
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:47,960
OK, that's day one.

907
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,000
Obviously, you knew this.

908
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,000
I'm just doing this for the listener.

909
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,160
So this is just me and you, they listen from here on out.

910
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,720
You know, I mean, Rob Duller is over there in his bowl of hot and dust, the fucking polishing

911
00:31:55,720 --> 00:32:01,840
off his breath in my brandy, his brandy, polishing off his brass knuckles, make it send encrypting

912
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:02,840
text to his boys.

913
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,360
You know, I mean, for a moment, I thought you could have keep me polishing off my half

914
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:07,360
sister.

915
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,760
Oh, my God.

916
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:10,760
Hate that.

917
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:11,760
Hated that one.

918
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:18,560
So shortly after day one, but offset a publicist for the movie was involved in a car accident.

919
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,560
OK, I mean, you knew that one as well.

920
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:21,560
There's lots of those.

921
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:22,560
Yeah, come on.

922
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,040
You get 200 people together, one of them is going to have a car accident.

923
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,360
All a coincidence, right?

924
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:27,360
Right.

925
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:28,360
Yeah.

926
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:29,360
So production continues, production continues.

927
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,080
A set worker accidentally stabs a screwdriver through his hand.

928
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,400
I do that daily.

929
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:34,400
You do that.

930
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:35,400
And there's hundreds of people on films.

931
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:36,400
All right.

932
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:37,400
These are just accidents.

933
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:38,400
That's what I'm saying.

934
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:39,400
Everyone's got a screwdriver.

935
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:40,400
Right.

936
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:41,400
Yeah.

937
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:42,400
That's what I'm saying.

938
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:43,400
I just said that.

939
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:44,400
OK, fine.

940
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:45,400
OK, right.

941
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:46,400
Yeah, fine.

942
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,160
These two, I'm not counting these two.

943
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:49,680
These are just these are just coincidences.

944
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:50,680
All right.

945
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:51,860
Yeah, sounds all right.

946
00:32:51,860 --> 00:32:53,920
Even the stuntman aren't safe, mate.

947
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,120
Even the stuntman aren't safe.

948
00:32:55,120 --> 00:33:01,200
A stunt worker fell through a set roof and broke many ribs.

949
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,240
His or like someone had ordered some?

950
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:05,240
His.

951
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:06,240
Oh.

952
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,720
Internally in his body, broken ribs after falling through a fucking roof.

953
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,320
Not a great not a great day at work.

954
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:17,800
So even the people that are trained to be fucking battered on set, they're not safe

955
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:18,800
from this curse.

956
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:19,800
Obviously, you know all this one, right?

957
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:20,800
It's fine.

958
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:26,120
On this on this film, though, I do feel like once Steve the lecky had boiled himself, you

959
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:27,120
know, it's really funny.

960
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,040
Like you'd put you'd put a screwdriver through your hand and you'd go.

961
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,040
I called him Steve in my notes as well.

962
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,120
I've got I've got Steve the electrician written in my notes.

963
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:36,120
That's weird.

964
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,120
That's really weird.

965
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:38,120
Sorry.

966
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:39,120
I've missed the next bit because we're psychomaniac.

967
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,120
Yeah.

968
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,560
I feel like once Steve the lecky's boiled himself, right?

969
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:44,560
Yeah.

970
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,400
You put a screwdriver through your hand and you're like, could be worse.

971
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:47,400
So could be worse.

972
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:48,400
You crash your car.

973
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,160
You go could be worse because matey boys having his ears removed tomorrow.

974
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:52,160
Yeah.

975
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:53,160
You know, that's fair.

976
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,160
That's fair.

977
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,080
I feel sorry for all these people you've just listed who invalidated their own traumas

978
00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,400
because Steve fucked up.

979
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,280
Yeah, I thought that was on day one as well.

980
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:02,280
You know what I mean?

981
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:03,280
So you're not beating that.

982
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:04,280
Well, I mean, I'm going to get to it.

983
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:10,520
Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

984
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:11,520
That's staying in.

985
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:12,520
Fuck's sake.

986
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:13,520
I'm fine with it.

987
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:14,520
It's fine.

988
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,080
There was one way to beat it and it was beat.

989
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,080
The disgruntled driving.

990
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:21,560
This is a new segment, right?

991
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:22,560
This is a new fact.

992
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:23,560
Disgruntled driving.

993
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:24,560
You know about this one, though.

994
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:25,560
You're fine.

995
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:26,560
So it's an odd one.

996
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:27,560
You need to drop that man.

997
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:28,560
You're just beating a dead actor.

998
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:34,200
I want to laugh really bad, but also I feel like too many of them.

999
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:35,960
You know what I mean?

1000
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,880
There's too many of them.

1001
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,920
It's just, it's just me.

1002
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:46,800
So an odd one, but a disgruntled employee drove a truck through the set.

1003
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,280
What's it was on production now?

1004
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:50,280
No one knows why.

1005
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,680
Cause I'm guessing cause he made a phone call a few weeks earlier.

1006
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,080
You would think that right.

1007
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,160
That might've been it.

1008
00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:00,040
So there was rumors that he was like, it was just a rage fueled sort of like, fuck this

1009
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,040
job type stuff.

1010
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,320
I'm sick of this curse.

1011
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,000
I'm driving through the set and he drove a truck through it.

1012
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,800
And then other ones where it was just sort of like, it was a genuine accident and he

1013
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:08,880
carried on working there.

1014
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,320
But the facts are still a mystery to this day.

1015
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:13,560
It's never really been nailed down.

1016
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:18,360
It's just all, it was all out there for people to fucking use upon.

1017
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:19,360
Right?

1018
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:20,760
Now this is all built into something.

1019
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,440
It's all building something.

1020
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:23,920
We're nearly there.

1021
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:24,920
Right.

1022
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:32,000
Whilst they were filming the East coast of the United States of America in 1993 had what

1023
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,320
was, what was known as the storm of the century.

1024
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:36,320
Okay.

1025
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,880
Which was a fucking enormous blizzard to hit the whole East coast.

1026
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,560
I mean like when I say it was bad, it was snowing in Florida.

1027
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:43,560
Oh God.

1028
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,720
I don't, I don't know if you've ever been to Florida or if you know about Florida, it's

1029
00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:49,320
all old people and alligators from what I've seen in movies.

1030
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,960
I mean it snows in Miami, but usually that's not legal.

1031
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:53,960
Yeah, exactly.

1032
00:35:53,960 --> 00:36:01,360
So the fucking set was hit with mega winds, 30 inches of snow, ridiculous winds all throughout

1033
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:06,040
production and it destroyed shit loads of the sets, caused tens of thousands of dollars

1034
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:07,040
worth of damage.

1035
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,000
So this is all just sort of like happening, right?

1036
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,600
The curse continues.

1037
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,920
Now we're at the point that everyone knows about and I've written out, I've written out

1038
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:18,840
a piece because I don't want it to be full of crass jokes, Rob, looking at you.

1039
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,640
You get one, you get one and that one's been done.

1040
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:26,160
The fact of the matter is, is that this, you know, Brandon Lee was an insanely talented

1041
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:27,440
incredible actor.

1042
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,960
He was a, you know, someone's partner.

1043
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:36,560
He was someone's child and a movie is a wonderful thing.

1044
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:43,360
You and I both use movies to theropize ourselves, to need to ties ourselves to the world to

1045
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:44,360
do this show.

1046
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:45,360
Of course.

1047
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:51,600
The idea that anybody involved in the making of one of something that we love so much dies

1048
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:52,960
is just abhorrent.

1049
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,120
Like it should never happen.

1050
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:55,360
It's fucking heartbreaking.

1051
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,280
Workplaces should be safe.

1052
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:58,280
Yeah, a thousand percent.

1053
00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:59,280
So yeah.

1054
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:00,280
Yeah.

1055
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:01,280
I've written this bit.

1056
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,280
If it sounds read out, it's because I'm reading it.

1057
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,280
I'm just going to get through it.

1058
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:10,120
So the unfortunate series of events that led to Brandon Lee's death are readily available

1059
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:11,240
all over the internet, right?

1060
00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:12,240
You can research it yourself.

1061
00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:13,880
There are, there are tons of details out there.

1062
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:18,960
And if we were to go into it fully, it would run us way over time because there are countless

1063
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,800
checks that could have been done.

1064
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,600
There are measures that could have been put in place.

1065
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:27,320
They just did for whatever reason they weren't done.

1066
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:32,720
And it ended with Brandon Lee losing his life during a take for this film.

1067
00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:38,400
So because of the nature of the scene, no one realized what had gone on.

1068
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,200
So the scene is Brandon Lee's character is supposed to get shot in the stomach.

1069
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:43,400
The gun was loaded with blanks.

1070
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:48,120
There was a safety issue with the bullets that the gun was previously loaded with.

1071
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:52,320
The blank then forced the previously lodged bullet into Brandon's abdomen.

1072
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:53,320
Yeah.

1073
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:54,320
And they were filming the scene.

1074
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:55,580
Brandon obviously fell to the floor.

1075
00:37:55,580 --> 00:37:57,120
They thought he was acting.

1076
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:02,720
No one really realized what was going on until a huge pool of blood began to get began forming

1077
00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:03,720
around Brandon's body.

1078
00:38:03,720 --> 00:38:04,720
Oh God.

1079
00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:09,360
So he was rushed to the hospital, but declared dead hours later, unfortunately.

1080
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,560
And this all happened before breaking news being available immediately to everyone's

1081
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,080
phone.

1082
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:19,560
Meaning that many, many rumors spread, including actors being arrested for murder.

1083
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,720
The take of him being shot was used in the final film, you know, et cetera, et cetera,

1084
00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:24,720
all this stuff.

1085
00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:25,720
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1086
00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:28,880
And this one mate is the conspiracy theories that came out of it.

1087
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:29,880
Right.

1088
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,120
So what conspiracy theories?

1089
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,360
Dude, there's a place accident and a tragic one.

1090
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:36,960
The police ruled it that way.

1091
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:37,960
Yeah.

1092
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,340
The police were to be 100% an accident.

1093
00:38:40,340 --> 00:38:41,560
No one is at fault.

1094
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:42,840
No crime has been committed.

1095
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:43,840
Right.

1096
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:44,840
Right.

1097
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,760
I found a mad conspiracy theory and I'm in no way saying that I support this at all.

1098
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,640
I just think it's mental that this is out there.

1099
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:50,640
Just repeating it on a show.

1100
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:51,640
Listen to by a couple thousand people.

1101
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:56,640
Yeah, just if you want to internalize this and make it your mantra, it's fine.

1102
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:57,640
No, I'm joking.

1103
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:58,640
No, it's terrible.

1104
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,640
It's a conspiracy theory that this was a triad hit.

1105
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:03,640
Oh, OK.

1106
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,040
Put out on Brandon Lee.

1107
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:10,040
I do actually know this one in a weird roundabout way.

1108
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,320
OK.

1109
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:16,840
Because I saw the Bruce Lee biopic made in the 90s called Dragon, the Bruce Lee story,

1110
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,120
which is actually a sick film.

1111
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:20,120
Incredible movie.

1112
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,520
Because you don't take it to be in any way factual.

1113
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:23,520
Sure.

1114
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:24,520
It's got a demon in it.

1115
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:25,520
Yes.

1116
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,560
There's a whole thing there about he refuses to appear in these triad funded movies.

1117
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:29,560
Exactly.

1118
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:30,560
OK.

1119
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:31,560
Yes.

1120
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:32,560
So there's that.

1121
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:33,920
So that's part one of the conspiracy theory.

1122
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:39,800
Bruce Lee was famous for turning down any involvement or any parts that were funded

1123
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,160
in movies that were funded by the triads.

1124
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:48,400
So the theory is that the triads ordered the hit on Brandon Lee in a similar way that Bruce

1125
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,360
Lee's character dies in Game of Death.

1126
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:57,480
So in Game of Death, Bruce Lee's one of Bruce Lee's final films, his character plays an

1127
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:02,720
actor who is shooting a scene where he's supposed to be shot with a blank, but ends up being

1128
00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:07,320
shot with a real gun because the prop gun and a real gun had been switched out.

1129
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:08,320
Oh, fuck.

1130
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,480
Horrible coincidence.

1131
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,840
People took it to heart and started trying to piece two and two together and got fucking

1132
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:14,840
44.

1133
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:15,840
Right.

1134
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,120
And then all of a sudden this conspiracy theory was born.

1135
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:19,120
But here's the thing.

1136
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:20,120
Here's the thing.

1137
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:21,480
And not to be a tinfoil hatter.

1138
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:22,480
Sure.

1139
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:23,920
I don't believe that it was a triad hit.

1140
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:24,920
Of course.

1141
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:25,920
We just ran that off.

1142
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:26,920
Of course.

1143
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:27,920
Neither did the police.

1144
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,280
You know when I was like, oh, that's a coincidence, that's a coincidence, that's a coincidence.

1145
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:38,240
I think there is a curse, mate, because how many coincidences can one film endure?

1146
00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:39,840
It's kind of crazy, right?

1147
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,880
So this curse carries on as well.

1148
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:42,880
This curse carries on.

1149
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,520
So after the death of Brandon Lee, obviously the production wanted to continue, but only

1150
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,360
with the blessing of the Lee estate.

1151
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:49,360
Right.

1152
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:50,640
They were like, look, we're going to do it right.

1153
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,840
We're going to make the film that Brandon wanted to make.

1154
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:53,840
We're going to finish it.

1155
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:54,840
We're going to put it out.

1156
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:55,840
It's going to be his final work.

1157
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:56,840
It's going to be respectful.

1158
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:57,840
Yeah.

1159
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,400
And the Lee estate signed off on it and we're like, yep, we can, you know, we'll sign off

1160
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:02,400
it.

1161
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:03,400
We want to honor his memory.

1162
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:04,400
That's great.

1163
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:05,400
Yeah.

1164
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:06,400
Paramount didn't think that.

1165
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:07,400
Paramount were like, nope.

1166
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:08,400
Nope.

1167
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:09,400
It's, it's, it would be crass.

1168
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:10,400
It would be this, that or the other.

1169
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:11,400
We're not doing it.

1170
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:12,400
Yeah.

1171
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:13,400
We're gone.

1172
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:14,400
So it's just not happening.

1173
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,360
So they did a production of a half made film, a half made incredible film studios just dropped

1174
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:24,600
out and then this is where Miramax step in and invest an extra $8 million.

1175
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:29,680
Obviously with the blessing of the Lee estate, they invest an extra $8 million, took a huge

1176
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:37,480
fucking gamble again, not only on finishing the cursed film, but also CGI and like face

1177
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,280
replacement CGI wasn't a big thing in the early nineties.

1178
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:42,280
No, no, no, no, no.

1179
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:43,280
This is what I mean.

1180
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:50,600
They took a massive gamble on that being a doable B done well, be sellable to an audience

1181
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,600
that lives in a world now where they know that the lead actor has died midway through

1182
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:54,600
the film.

1183
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:55,600
I mean, and they did it.

1184
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,160
Look, I know Harvey Weinstein.

1185
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,160
You do not everyone's cup of tea.

1186
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,160
Is he, is he one of the boys?

1187
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:06,680
Does he want to Rob dollars boys?

1188
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,800
He did know what he was doing at times.

1189
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,440
40% of his work life was spent doing really good stuff.

1190
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:13,440
Yeah.

1191
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:14,440
60% of it was doing the no-no.

1192
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:15,440
You know what I mean?

1193
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:16,440
Doing the no-no.

1194
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:17,440
Yeah.

1195
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:24,680
I think, I think you could make the argument that this cursed production, this, this Brandon

1196
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:30,480
Lee death, all this kind of stuff that became, it became the movie fact that everyone knew

1197
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:31,840
pre internet, right?

1198
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:32,840
Yeah.

1199
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:37,800
Like I, I'd mistakenly thought that it was when he's at the end of my table, when all

1200
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,440
my goons are sat there and they all open the automatic fire, right?

1201
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:42,440
No, it's not.

1202
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:43,440
It's the flashback scene.

1203
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:44,440
Yeah.

1204
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,400
I watched an interview with Michael Massey who plays fun boy.

1205
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:48,400
Oh, fuck.

1206
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:49,400
Yeah.

1207
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:50,400
It's a rough interview, man.

1208
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,960
It's a rough interview where they're like, you know, have you got over it?

1209
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,800
He's like, you don't get ever get over something like that.

1210
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,360
You just move, you move with it.

1211
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,520
He quit acting for a year to try and fucking process this.

1212
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,880
He was in therapy for PTSD for a long time to sort that shit out.

1213
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:03,880
Long, long time.

1214
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:04,880
Yeah.

1215
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:05,880
Because, you know, they were friends.

1216
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:06,880
He knew Brandon's fiance.

1217
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:07,880
Yeah.

1218
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,920
And he said in the interview, you know, I see her now, she's with someone else.

1219
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:13,440
She's got a little boy.

1220
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:14,440
She's happy.

1221
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:20,960
But, you know, I still think I was involved in something that should never have happened.

1222
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:28,000
And if you look at the change in the culture of moviemaking that happened following Brandon

1223
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,040
Lee's death, Brandon Lee's stunt man was Chad Stahelski.

1224
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:33,600
He was.

1225
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:38,360
You probably now better know as the creator of the John Wick franchise.

1226
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:44,920
We do think how many fucking guns are on those sets and how few accidents there are.

1227
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:45,920
It's crazy.

1228
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:46,920
Relate to those movies.

1229
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,360
You just go, okay, there are some lessons being learned.

1230
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:57,960
But I think wider culturally, in a wider cultural sense, this film is super, super impactful.

1231
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:02,600
You know, when we were young and we bought like, do you remember when Slipknot did My

1232
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,820
Plague for the Resident Evil soundtrack?

1233
00:44:05,820 --> 00:44:08,320
When that video dropped on Korang, I lost my shit.

1234
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:14,040
I'm not certain, but I'm like 40% sure that might have been the first time I ever come.

1235
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:15,680
Like it was fucking glorious.

1236
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:22,520
That video, the first time I saw that, I'm turning it around like a knife on a shelf.

1237
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,800
I was like, oh my God.

1238
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:25,800
Not that lyric ever.

1239
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,320
We discussed that lyric on the podcast.

1240
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:28,320
It makes no sense.

1241
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,400
You don't store knives on fucking shelves anyway.

1242
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:31,400
Sometimes you do.

1243
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,840
We're not, we're not repeating that again.

1244
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:36,760
Go find it in the back catalog.

1245
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:42,880
The soundtrack for this film was the template for things like My Plague.

1246
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,160
So Resident Evil had a heavy metal soundtrack.

1247
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:46,160
Yeah.

1248
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:47,160
And also Blade.

1249
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:48,160
Yeah.

1250
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,160
Queen of the Damned.

1251
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:51,160
Yes.

1252
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:52,640
Had a heavy metal soundtrack.

1253
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:53,640
Banga.

1254
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:57,840
Twilight had an album come out with songs that were in it for like a few bars.

1255
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:58,840
Hold on.

1256
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,840
Are you, are you mentioned, are you referencing Muse?

1257
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,800
And Radiohead in the same breath as the Blade soundtrack?

1258
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,240
This is my point.

1259
00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:11,200
There are elements of this film that come across a little bit more goth, a little bit

1260
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:18,200
hot topic, a little bit incel with his Katana and his fedora on Tik Tok going, I would die

1261
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:19,200
for you.

1262
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:20,200
Yeah, but that's the main villain Rob.

1263
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:21,800
With his one contact lens in.

1264
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:22,800
That's the main villain.

1265
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:23,800
No, it's not.

1266
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:24,800
The main villain is a businessman.

1267
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:25,800
No he isn't.

1268
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:26,800
He's a poor businessman.

1269
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,640
He's sitting around fucking burning eyeballs being like, I must get the crow power.

1270
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:31,640
Shut the fuck up.

1271
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:32,640
Shut up.

1272
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,640
Just go fuck your half sister if that's what you're going to do.

1273
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:36,640
Trying to do his business.

1274
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,120
He needs the building clear.

1275
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:39,120
Stop it.

1276
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,760
Shelly, Shelly's trying to keep the building open, trying to rally the fucking tenant.

1277
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,280
And he's like, no, enough of that.

1278
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:45,280
You're dead.

1279
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:46,280
Enough about that.

1280
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,120
And then when he fights Eric, he's like, do you know what mate?

1281
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:49,120
It's been quite fun.

1282
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:50,120
I've quite enjoyed this.

1283
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:51,920
I've got nothing against you personally.

1284
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,440
All power to your boss.

1285
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:54,440
Right.

1286
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:55,440
Yeah.

1287
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:56,440
Fantastic.

1288
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:57,440
Fantastic.

1289
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:58,440
Right.

1290
00:45:58,440 --> 00:45:59,440
My point being, my point being.

1291
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:00,440
Yeah.

1292
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:01,440
I mean, I had Rage Against the Machine.

1293
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:02,440
I had The Cure.

1294
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:03,440
I had Nine H Nails.

1295
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:04,440
I had Pantera.

1296
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:05,440
I had Rollins Band.

1297
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:06,440
Yeah.

1298
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:07,440
Fucking incredible.

1299
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:08,440
Incredible fucking soundtrack.

1300
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:09,440
Yeah.

1301
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:15,040
But I think like new metal came out, was fresh, was interesting.

1302
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,640
And then it devolved into a parody of itself.

1303
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:18,640
I don't know man.

1304
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,400
Limp Bizkit is still fucking faithful.

1305
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:21,400
You know what I mean?

1306
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:22,400
They're still there.

1307
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:23,400
They're still fighting the fight.

1308
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:24,840
I was never a Limp Bizkit boy.

1309
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:25,840
Really?

1310
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:27,840
You were never in it for the nookie?

1311
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:28,840
No.

1312
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:29,840
Are you being serious?

1313
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:30,840
Nope.

1314
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,840
Mate, I had a backwards cap on.

1315
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,840
I was fucking, I was all about it.

1316
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:35,840
You know what I mean?

1317
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:36,840
I just kept rolling.

1318
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:37,840
No, because I was a Nine H Nails guy.

1319
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:38,840
Oh right.

1320
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,840
Trent Reznor, Trent Reznor famously.

1321
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:47,520
Trent Reznor famously, when Fred Durst was made CEO of Interscope, Trent Reznor called

1322
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:51,880
his lawyer, figured out how much it was going to be to break his contract with Interscope.

1323
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:52,880
Yeah.

1324
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,680
It was over a million and he paid it.

1325
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:59,800
And he said, it's worth far more to me that Fred Durst has nothing to do with my creative

1326
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:00,800
activity.

1327
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:01,800
That's fair.

1328
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:02,800
Than this 1.5 million.

1329
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,520
It reminds me of a fun little lyric that Limp Bizkit said, where a Nine Inch Nail will get

1330
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:07,520
knocked the fuck out.

1331
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:08,520
You know what I mean?

1332
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:09,520
I live by those words.

1333
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:10,520
I like that.

1334
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:11,520
Really?

1335
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:12,520
You know what I mean?

1336
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,920
I feel like that's, it's a very deep thought, insightful lyric that Fred Durst has put into

1337
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:16,000
the world.

1338
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:22,500
But I feel like the influence that this had, when it became this sort of acceptance of

1339
00:47:22,500 --> 00:47:29,200
goth culture, that top dollar speech of the idea was great and then it became an institution.

1340
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,760
And all of that edgelord goth stuff that you talked about hating.

1341
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:33,760
I do.

1342
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:37,720
I think this, unfortunately, you have to lay the blame for all of that stuff at people

1343
00:47:37,720 --> 00:47:39,240
trying to do this.

1344
00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:40,240
Okay.

1345
00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:41,240
That's a, okay.

1346
00:47:41,240 --> 00:47:42,600
It's the self parody of this.

1347
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,420
You have to word it better than that though.

1348
00:47:44,420 --> 00:47:45,420
Not better.

1349
00:47:45,420 --> 00:47:46,420
You have to word it slightly differently.

1350
00:47:46,420 --> 00:47:47,420
Sorry.

1351
00:47:47,420 --> 00:47:48,420
Right.

1352
00:47:48,420 --> 00:47:49,420
So I don't blame the crow.

1353
00:47:49,420 --> 00:47:50,420
No, I don't blame the crow.

1354
00:47:50,420 --> 00:47:52,120
Because I think the crow did what it did amazingly well.

1355
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:53,120
Right?

1356
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:54,120
I blame the imitators.

1357
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:55,120
It's the people that came along.

1358
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:56,120
Exactly.

1359
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:57,120
And imitate the idea.

1360
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,120
And then you don't know what you're doing it for anymore.

1361
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:00,120
Exactly.

1362
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,440
Because you're not making it from that group of people.

1363
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,400
You're making it for that demographic.

1364
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:05,400
Exactly.

1365
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,720
And that's exactly what we see with Marvel.

1366
00:48:07,720 --> 00:48:11,760
It stops being made by comic book fans for comic book fans.

1367
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,920
And if other people like it, fuck it.

1368
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,520
It's the comic book fans are a demographic.

1369
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:17,520
Yeah.

1370
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:22,400
But also Marvel are just trying to speed run what uber bowl has done for his entire career.

1371
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:26,480
They're just sort of like, they created something wonderful and then they are the ones that

1372
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,000
are actively ruining it.

1373
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,000
It's mental to me.

1374
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:30,000
Do you know what I mean?

1375
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaking of the soundtrack, do you want to play a game?

1376
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:32,960
I would love to.

1377
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,840
I have got some goth song lyrics here.

1378
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:42,560
And you're going to tell me if they appear in the film The Crow or on its soundtrack.

1379
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,160
Can we preface this with something right?

1380
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:49,400
This is going to get upsetting because I don't want to personally offend you in any way,

1381
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:50,400
shape or form.

1382
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:51,400
Please do.

1383
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:52,400
You owe me plenty.

1384
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,360
But I can't control my cringe.

1385
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:55,360
You know what I mean?

1386
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:56,360
Right, you ready?

1387
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:57,360
OK.

1388
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:58,360
I burn every night.

1389
00:48:58,360 --> 00:48:59,880
The dream's the same.

1390
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:02,600
Is that lyric in the Crow?

1391
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:03,600
Say it again.

1392
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:04,600
Soundtrack.

1393
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,120
Every night I burn every night.

1394
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,080
The dream's the same.

1395
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,400
Yes, it's in the Crow.

1396
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:11,400
Yes, it is.

1397
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:12,720
That's burned by the cure.

1398
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:13,720
It is right.

1399
00:49:13,720 --> 00:49:20,240
AIDS is killing the entire African nation and a vaccine is still supposedly under preparation.

1400
00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:21,240
All right.

1401
00:49:21,240 --> 00:49:24,840
Well, that kind of sounds like some of the Bono would say live aid.

1402
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:28,120
Then going home to bathe in his billions of dollars.

1403
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:29,120
You know what I mean?

1404
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:30,560
So I'm going to say no.

1405
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:31,600
Oh, sorry, mate.

1406
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:35,120
That's on darkness by Rage Against the Machine.

1407
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:36,120
OK.

1408
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:37,120
Right.

1409
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:42,560
Water, fire, air and dirt.

1410
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:43,560
Fucking magnets.

1411
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:44,560
How do they work?

1412
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:45,560
It's such a good lyric.

1413
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:46,560
How do they work?

1414
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:47,560
Magic.

1415
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:48,560
Magic.

1416
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:58,440
I'm going to say yes.

1417
00:49:58,440 --> 00:49:59,680
I'm afraid not.

1418
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:00,680
Well, why not?

1419
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,200
We can fucking put AIDS in there, but we can't put magnets.

1420
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,240
What sort of bullshit is this?

1421
00:50:05,240 --> 00:50:07,840
That was Miracles by the Insane Clown Posse.

1422
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,040
Yeah, that makes sense.

1423
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:10,040
Similar makeup.

1424
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:11,040
I thought I might.

1425
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:12,040
You know, that makes sense.

1426
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:13,040
No, no, no.

1427
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,680
Also, it makes sense that Insane Clown Posse would be confused by magnets.

1428
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:17,680
Yeah.

1429
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:23,000
I say Jack be nimble, Jack fall dead, Jack bend over and give Gilly head.

1430
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:28,360
I can't get the thought of a jiggler walking into their mate's kitchen and seeing a fridge

1431
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:29,360
magnet and freaking out.

1432
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:30,360
I'd be like, what the fuck?

1433
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:31,360
How does it fix?

1434
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:32,360
What the fuck?

1435
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:33,360
Sorry.

1436
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:37,360
I've got to write a song about this, man.

1437
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:38,360
I've got a process.

1438
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:39,680
How do these magnets even work?

1439
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:41,160
It's this will make a graphic novel.

1440
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:45,840
We've got like earth and wind and fire and dirt.

1441
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,520
But how the fuck do magnets work?

1442
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:52,680
I love that there's another universe out there, Ben, where we've got a music podcast and we're

1443
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,160
going into the origin of the song Miracles by Insane Clown Posse.

1444
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:57,160
Yeah, man.

1445
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:00,760
And it's you going on an awful tragedy and me going, isn't it wonderful that we've got

1446
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:01,760
these human outlets?

1447
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:02,760
Yeah.

1448
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:03,760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1449
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,280
He's gone through something, but he can just write a song about it.

1450
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:07,280
Also magnets.

1451
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:08,280
Right.

1452
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:09,280
Next lyric.

1453
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:10,280
Go on.

1454
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:14,640
I say Jack be nimble, Jack fall dead, Jack bend over and give Gilly head.

1455
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,120
I'm going to say yes.

1456
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:17,120
Yeah, that is.

1457
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:18,840
I'm going to say color me once by the violent fems.

1458
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:20,160
Well, I think you did pretty well.

1459
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:21,160
Oh no, sorry.

1460
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:22,160
There's one more.

1461
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:23,160
I missed it.

1462
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:24,880
Now you get to watch her leave out the window.

1463
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:29,040
I guess that's why they call it a window pane.

1464
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:30,040
Fuck off.

1465
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:31,040
Fuck off.

1466
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:39,520
Oh, dude, this is why I hated you when I met you, because that's the sort of shit that you

1467
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:40,520
used to say.

1468
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:41,520
Yeah.

1469
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:42,520
Like that was it in uni.

1470
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:43,520
That was uni, Rob.

1471
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:44,520
Yeah.

1472
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:45,880
I guess that's why they call it a window pane.

1473
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:47,200
Fuck off.

1474
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:53,400
I employed my love of puns in a slightly more melodramatic way because I'd seen the crow

1475
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,840
and thought it was clever and charming.

1476
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,640
And it was only when we met and you went, are you a fucking magician?

1477
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:03,840
I went, oh, oh, I see through now.

1478
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:08,640
It was like you held up a mirror and I saw my true form and I went, oh, I've gone a bit

1479
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:09,640
wrong here, haven't I?

1480
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:10,640
I'm so sorry.

1481
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:16,360
What I did is I saw you really live in your true self and went, no.

1482
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:17,360
Yeah.

1483
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:18,360
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1484
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,560
And I'm all the better for it.

1485
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,560
Now you get to watch her leave out the window.

1486
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,960
I guess that's why they call it a window pane.

1487
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:25,960
Right.

1488
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,040
I'm going to say no, because I don't want it to be in there.

1489
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:32,120
I've got a feeling that it is in there, but I'm going to say no out of the, I'm going

1490
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:33,920
to try and manifest it.

1491
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:34,920
Okay.

1492
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:40,520
So it is famous goth duo, Eminem and Rihanna.

1493
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:44,160
Just gonna stand there and watch me burn.

1494
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:45,160
Oh my god, thank fuck.

1495
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:46,160
Thank fuck.

1496
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,360
Is that really a lyric from that song?

1497
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:52,200
That's by one of our preeminent lyricists of this generation, Eminem.

1498
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:53,680
Fucking hell, man.

1499
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:54,680
Yes, mate.

1500
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,680
Oh, god damn.

1501
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:01,000
We're going to rate this movie and I don't really know where you're going to go with

1502
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:02,000
it.

1503
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,880
I don't know where I'm going to go with it, but before you do, how are you doing really

1504
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:05,880
man?

1505
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,320
I asked you in the intro and we were, you know, we like to keep that short and snappy

1506
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:14,200
and breezy, but like tell the people and tell me like, are you good?

1507
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,360
I am doing really well, man.

1508
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:17,360
I am doing really well.

1509
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:18,800
Each day is a little bit different.

1510
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,400
So some days, some days are good, some days aren't so good, but everything is very middle

1511
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:23,400
of the road at the moment.

1512
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,300
So everything's very beige.

1513
00:53:25,300 --> 00:53:28,460
I'm not, my anxiety is calmed right down.

1514
00:53:28,460 --> 00:53:32,640
I'm no longer living in fight or flight, which is a huge fucking achievement because I've

1515
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,800
been there for about a decade.

1516
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:40,440
So it's the strangest thing waking up and not panicking immediately and then spending

1517
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,080
the next 15 hours trying to figure out what the fuck I'm doing.

1518
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:44,080
Do you know what I mean?

1519
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:45,080
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1520
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:46,080
I know that one.

1521
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:47,680
So it's, it's really nice at the moment.

1522
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:54,780
I also think I've never been in a place where I've got such a stable support network.

1523
00:53:54,780 --> 00:53:56,200
Like my family have always been incredible.

1524
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:59,240
They're always like fucking crammed to the cram.

1525
00:53:59,240 --> 00:54:00,240
I would never ask anyone to change.

1526
00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:03,560
I love all of them incredibly deeply.

1527
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:04,560
I would do anything for them.

1528
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:12,760
But I now I've got this, I've got this little group of friends who are just the most fucking

1529
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:17,280
wonderful people on the planet without even trying to be.

1530
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,640
There is no, there was no expectation.

1531
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,000
There's no conditions to being here.

1532
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:28,480
It's just existing with a group of people that are going through similar situations

1533
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,680
and everyone is fine talking about it and supporting each other.

1534
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:32,680
I've never had that.

1535
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:34,280
Obviously I've had it with you.

1536
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:35,280
I've had it with you.

1537
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:36,280
I'm not going to be sad.

1538
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:37,280
Like I'm genuinely, yeah.

1539
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:38,280
No, no, no, no.

1540
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:39,280
I know.

1541
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:40,280
Yeah.

1542
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:41,280
No, but this is the thing.

1543
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,240
Like I've had it with you and then that's been it.

1544
00:54:43,240 --> 00:54:44,240
You know what I mean?

1545
00:54:44,240 --> 00:54:48,120
You've been my like lifeline for the longest fucking time and that's slowly like branching

1546
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:51,600
out into sort of like finding my people, which is fucking glorious.

1547
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:52,680
So thank you to everyone.

1548
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:53,680
Thank you as well.

1549
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:57,640
Cause you're the fucking main stem of this.

1550
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:01,200
I'm processing stuff better, feeling healthier.

1551
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,560
My reactions are much more sort of like.

1552
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:04,560
Normal.

1553
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:05,560
Normal.

1554
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:06,560
Yeah.

1555
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,560
Not to be rude, but I've been talking to you the last couple of weeks.

1556
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:10,560
I'm like, oh, that's, that's, yeah.

1557
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:11,640
No dude, honestly.

1558
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:15,760
But like, yeah, it's actually, it's all going all right.

1559
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:16,760
How are you?

1560
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:18,000
Fill me, fill me in on what's going on with you.

1561
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:19,000
Cause I know you had a rough.

1562
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:20,000
I feel like we've swapped.

1563
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:21,480
Like yeah, work's been rough.

1564
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:28,640
And I think the, when I first got here and I crash landed after a massive mental breakdown

1565
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,440
and like I'd had them before and I'd ignored them.

1566
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:36,280
Cause I spent so long telling myself that I wanted to be a music producer.

1567
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,560
I wanted to be a sound engineer.

1568
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:42,480
And then I figured out, I think I subconsciously figured out that it wasn't going to make me

1569
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:47,120
happy, but I wasn't able to consciously realize that because it would mean weight.

1570
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,600
It would mean all that effort would have been wasted.

1571
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,640
So I had to just keep doing the thing.

1572
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:52,720
Thousand percent.

1573
00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:56,320
And eventually that, that third and final mental breakdown happened.

1574
00:55:56,320 --> 00:56:01,120
I went out my window, I landed and the kind of landed back here.

1575
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:02,120
Yeah.

1576
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:03,600
With living with family in my mom's guest room.

1577
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,160
Guess that's why they call it a window pane.

1578
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,040
That's exactly why they call it a window pane mate.

1579
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:08,040
So sorry.

1580
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:09,040
No, perfect.

1581
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,680
Do you have any idea how happy that joke makes me?

1582
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:12,680
Oh my God.

1583
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:13,680
They're fun, right?

1584
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:14,680
They're fun.

1585
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:15,680
I didn't know it was too soon.

1586
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:16,680
No, it's good.

1587
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:17,680
Good.

1588
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:18,680
No, no, no.

1589
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:19,680
But here's the thing.

1590
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:24,240
So I crash landed here and I wanted to get a job that was not cerebral.

1591
00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:26,120
Was doing something with my hands with other people.

1592
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:27,120
Yeah.

1593
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:28,600
Didn't have a chance to get in my head.

1594
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:30,280
Didn't have time to overthink.

1595
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:31,280
Sure.

1596
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:32,960
I was doing something manual.

1597
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:33,960
Yeah.

1598
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:35,600
And I'm better now.

1599
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,640
And as a result, I don't need that anymore.

1600
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,560
But obviously I can't just switch out of that immediately.

1601
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:42,560
Yeah.

1602
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:48,640
So I've been finding that really stressful and I've been complaining a lot internally

1603
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:49,640
about it.

1604
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:55,880
And I'm now faced with the potential that I'm going to get out of this room and I'm

1605
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:59,440
going to get out of the kitchen and I'm going to be doing on my own two feet again.

1606
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:05,600
And as much of it as I've been complaining about what I don't like about where I am and

1607
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:10,880
what I'm doing, I know it and it's comfortable and it's not scary.

1608
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:18,360
And I'm afraid to want the change because if I don't get it, it's going to hurt more.

1609
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:22,120
So I'm in just like this constant state of like nervous anxiety.

1610
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:26,400
Like I really want this thing, but I don't want to want this thing as much as I want

1611
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,920
the thing because it will hurt more if I don't get it.

1612
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,560
And also if I don't get it and I get to keep doing this and I know this, so that's kind

1613
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,440
of fine because it's just reverting to what I know.

1614
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:37,440
I get you.

1615
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:38,440
Yeah.

1616
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:40,440
So it's a big bag of mad at the moment.

1617
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:47,800
But also mate, if just sort of like to button at the very end, I've seen from where you've

1618
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:53,320
gone, from where you were to where you are and the fucking dude, the strides that you've

1619
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:59,360
taken to just process shit in a healthy way, get your feet back on the ground, get your

1620
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:03,320
head sorted so that you're in a space where you can fucking function and be in a place

1621
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:08,280
to want the thing that is a bit scary and it might hurt if you don't get it.

1622
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,040
But the fact that you're here wanting it makes me so fucking proud.

1623
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:12,040
It's unreal man.

1624
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:13,040
Yeah.

1625
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,000
I just don't, I don't know if I don't know if that, thank you.

1626
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:20,880
I just don't know if the processing I've done is processing or if it's just really good

1627
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:21,880
packing.

1628
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:22,960
Do you know what I mean?

1629
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:23,960
I get you.

1630
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,200
And then going back out into the world, that's going to be the test.

1631
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:31,520
Did I actually process shit or have I just bottled it really well?

1632
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,000
And I'm not going to know until I get out there.

1633
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,520
Do you know what I think is going to be the biggest surprise?

1634
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:37,520
Right.

1635
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:42,320
Is that you're going to have subconsciously done what my therapist has helped me do over

1636
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:47,720
a couple of years, which is you unpack something that's a bit messy and you look at it and

1637
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,040
you make it neat and tidy and you go, that's what it is.

1638
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:53,120
And then you put it back in a nice, neat fucking place and you're like, well, that's where

1639
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:54,120
it is.

1640
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:55,120
I know where it is.

1641
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:56,120
I know what it is.

1642
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:57,120
It's no longer a big bad.

1643
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:58,120
And then you do it again with the next thing.

1644
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:02,680
And then before you know it, you've got this big cupboard of like scary stuff from the

1645
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:04,400
scary stuff, but it's organized.

1646
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,440
It's alphabetized, organized, alphabetized, it's color coded.

1647
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:08,440
You know what it is.

1648
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:09,440
You know where it is.

1649
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:10,640
There's nothing unexpected in there.

1650
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:14,980
There's no fucking like demons creeping under the bed because under your bed it's just nice

1651
00:59:14,980 --> 00:59:16,680
and neat and organized mate.

1652
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:21,720
And to be honest, it's taken me fucking years of a stranger being paid to listen to my shit

1653
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:23,080
to tell me how to do that stuff.

1654
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,320
And you've just gone, I don't know if I'm doing it right, mate.

1655
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,720
And I'm like, oh, fuck you.

1656
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,840
Just annoyingly good at everything.

1657
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:34,360
The thing is I haven't paid that stranger and I know myself.

1658
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:39,200
I'm really, really good at lying to myself.

1659
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,240
I'm honestly mint at it.

1660
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:48,560
I'm not going to know, I'm not going to truly know how much I've done until I like has this

1661
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:49,560
leg healed.

1662
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:52,400
I have to stand on it and there's a chance it hasn't.

1663
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:55,600
And I go right back to where I was and that's scary.

1664
00:59:55,600 --> 01:00:00,160
It's also scary if that doesn't happen and I'm still just in the cast.

1665
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,120
So yeah, we'll see.

1666
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:06,720
Whichever way you look at it though, mate, I'm at your side, whether it's as a crutch

1667
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:10,200
or whether it's as a fucking cheerleader or whether it's at someone that's able to, if

1668
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:11,200
you do have a little trip.

1669
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:12,200
You're a bird, you make me invulnerable.

1670
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:13,200
That's what I mean.

1671
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:14,200
I'm here for it, man.

1672
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:15,200
You're my spooky bird.

1673
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,400
You've helped me come back from the dead.

1674
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,320
And yeah, you heal all wounds.

1675
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:20,320
That's it.

1676
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:21,320
I'm the goth mommy.

1677
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:22,600
Go get me my engagement ring back.

1678
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaking of healed wounds, I want to do some comment corner with you.

1679
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:27,240
Oh, bud.

1680
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:32,000
You posted that you were three years sober and it went quite well, didn't it?

1681
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:33,000
It was all right, yeah.

1682
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:36,480
It went, it's odd being vulnerable, but yeah, it's quite nice.

1683
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:40,120
I've got some emails that I want you to read.

1684
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:41,120
Okay.

1685
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:48,320
Before you read them, I'm just going to read a selection of the feedback that you got.

1686
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:49,320
Okay.

1687
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:50,920
We posted about you being three years sober.

1688
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,680
Martin Serene got in touch, good mate of ours.

1689
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:55,120
He said, congratulations, Ben.

1690
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:56,680
All the emojis there.

1691
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:57,680
Thank you.

1692
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:01,760
Brideviel said, called me a savage, but said, congratulations, Ben.

1693
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:03,680
I dissect that film.

1694
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:05,320
Congratulations on the massive achievement.

1695
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:07,920
Godzilla underscore from the Godzilla series.

1696
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:08,920
Congrats brother.

1697
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:10,840
World of Horror podcast.

1698
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,080
You already know this, but you're the man, Ben.

1699
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:14,080
Love heart emojis.

1700
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,120
Jenny Drew, so proud.

1701
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:20,360
Mr. Giles, time to review human traffic.

1702
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:21,360
Congratulations.

1703
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:22,360
Clap, clap.

1704
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:23,360
Stronger than most.

1705
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:28,560
Wayne, Wayne, Salia got in touch.

1706
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:29,560
Yes, lad.

1707
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:30,560
Congrats.

1708
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:31,560
Skinny Drawn Boy.

1709
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:32,560
Congrats.

1710
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:33,560
And Evie Long.

1711
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:34,560
Congrats, my dude.

1712
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:36,040
That's fucking incredible.

1713
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:39,480
Honestly, like the amount of people that reached out is insane.

1714
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:41,760
And I love all of you very, very daily.

1715
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:43,640
It genuinely does mean the world.

1716
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:46,640
And I know it's just sort of like a flippant thing.

1717
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:50,360
It can, or whatever, but, and I'm never going to be able to say how much it really means

1718
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:55,120
because I'm emotionally broken, but also thank you.

1719
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:59,320
It genuinely does mean the fucking world and it helps every day.

1720
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:00,320
Good.

1721
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:01,840
Now read them fucking emails.

1722
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:04,480
Yeah, thanks, man.

1723
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,100
Right.

1724
01:02:06,100 --> 01:02:08,760
We have got two emails.

1725
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:14,360
We've got one from Rose, who is a very, very dear friend of ours.

1726
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:15,360
Incredible listener.

1727
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:17,640
Super active in the discord.

1728
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:19,000
Join our fucking discord.

1729
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:20,000
Come meet Rose.

1730
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:21,000
She's fun.

1731
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,600
She emailed us saying, Hey, it's Rose going through old episodes again.

1732
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:29,360
And Ben has just told me to email in if I understand Rob's command and conquer reference.

1733
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:31,760
Hope you lads are having a nice day.

1734
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:36,560
I'm going to stop writing this stupid email and escape to the one place no longer corrupted

1735
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:37,560
by capitalism.

1736
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:39,560
Spice.

1737
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:43,640
Which is the Tim Curry reference, right?

1738
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:44,640
Yes.

1739
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:46,200
Because that's where PC gaming peaked.

1740
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:47,200
Yeah, I know that one.

1741
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:51,080
Command and conquer were the best games that you could play on a PC and red alert two was

1742
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:52,080
my jam.

1743
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:56,720
Watching the crow, listening to nine each nails and playing command and conquer red

1744
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:58,640
alert two was my vibe.

1745
01:02:58,640 --> 01:02:59,640
Put the fucking blazer away.

1746
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:00,640
All right.

1747
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:01,640
That's all I'm going to say.

1748
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:02,640
It's going to be the message.

1749
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:03,640
All right.

1750
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:06,400
Um, I asked people to email us in.

1751
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:07,800
Was it last week or the week before?

1752
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,360
Uh, and I was like, it doesn't matter if you don't know what to say.

1753
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:11,360
Feedback.

1754
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:12,360
Yeah.

1755
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:13,360
Just, just email us in.

1756
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:15,000
Even if you can't think of anything, just email us, call us cunts.

1757
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:16,000
We'd love it.

1758
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,240
So we had an email from Adam smart.

1759
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:22,800
Uh, the subject line is cunts.

1760
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:26,000
It just says cunts love ad.

1761
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:27,000
So perfect.

1762
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:28,000
Perfect.

1763
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:32,160
Thank you so much because it genuinely did make my day reading that.

1764
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:38,000
So, so that was comment corner, if you want to be involved, find us on Instagram, tick

1765
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:42,400
tock, uh, discord, little chat room, which is great.

1766
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:43,800
Everyone chats amongst themselves.

1767
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:45,320
We're really active on there.

1768
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:49,280
Uh, we've also got an email address, email us there calling us cunts.

1769
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:50,280
Yeah.

1770
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:51,280
Ben, the time has come.

1771
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,280
What are you going to rate Alex Preyaz 1994?

1772
01:03:54,280 --> 01:04:01,440
The crow I am going to go for, I'm going to go for an eight out of 10.

1773
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:02,440
Woo.

1774
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:09,680
Of how hard it hit me emotionally, how wholesome it is, even though it is sort of super edgy,

1775
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:14,360
heavy metal, goth comic book revenge movie, but it's very wholesome.

1776
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,040
It's very, it's very nice.

1777
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:18,720
It's very light and comic in places.

1778
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:23,840
Um, but it's also, it's such a fucking gorgeous film to look at.

1779
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:25,920
Just such a gorgeous film to look at.

1780
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:26,920
Incredible.

1781
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:27,920
I'm going eight.

1782
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:28,920
How about you?

1783
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:33,760
I have to recognize where I come from and it has to be a fat 10.

1784
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:35,560
There has to be a fat 10.

1785
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:36,740
It's got loads of flaws.

1786
01:04:36,740 --> 01:04:39,600
It's not aged as gracefully as perhaps it could have.

1787
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:40,600
Okay.

1788
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:46,320
It went on to, I do genuinely believe that this is patient zero of the edge Lord goth

1789
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:54,640
boy that you see on tick tock now with, with just the cringe, cringe Katana collection.

1790
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:56,780
Like this has to be patient zero.

1791
01:04:56,780 --> 01:05:02,040
And even knowing that it's only because of you that I'm not one of those boys on tick

1792
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:03,040
tock.

1793
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:05,560
So thank you and thank this film.

1794
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:07,000
It's a fat 10.

1795
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:08,000
You're welcome listeners.

1796
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:09,000
All right.

1797
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:10,880
Cause imagine what the podcast would be with that.

1798
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:16,480
Hey, we've got a YouTube video that we made special.

1799
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:17,480
We do.

1800
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:21,160
We've sit, you know, we've got, we, we've got a chunky healthy listenership on the audio

1801
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:26,160
show and then we put time and effort and our mate Anthony puts time and effort into a YouTube

1802
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:27,800
video and we see the views.

1803
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:28,800
We know you're not clicking.

1804
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:29,800
Go click on it.

1805
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:30,800
Please.

1806
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:32,360
We know who clicks and who doesn't.

1807
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:33,360
And we know where you live.

1808
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:34,360
All right.

1809
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:35,360
We know where you live.

1810
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:36,360
Rob's got a pet crow.

1811
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:37,360
It's not really a crow.

1812
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:38,360
It's a raven.

1813
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:40,760
Can't train crows, but you can train Ravens.

1814
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:42,680
And then also who the fuck's going to know the difference.

1815
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:43,680
And I mean, fuck it.

1816
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:44,680
Put them in the movie.

1817
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:45,960
Still pissing me off from further away.

1818
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:46,960
It looks like that's it.

1819
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:47,960
What was the point of the time?

1820
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:53,080
That's all the time we've got for this week to thank you for spending an hour with us,

1821
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:54,760
especially at the start of your week.

1822
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:59,680
Robin is going to wrap up the thoughts, feelings and subtext of this movie into a nice little

1823
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:07,640
Monday motivational pet talk while I just cosplay as society man and I tell you to consume.

1824
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:10,800
Well, I'm going to actually go off book on this one.

1825
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:14,680
I don't really think my message of the week is from the movie.

1826
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:18,980
It's sort of hit me as I was listening to you talking about being scared of the new

1827
01:06:18,980 --> 01:06:21,400
thing that you want.

1828
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:27,040
And I think what I'm going to say is I've recently gone through a similar aspect, different

1829
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:31,440
subject matter, similar aspect where I've invested in something very heavily and convinced

1830
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:32,440
myself.

1831
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:33,440
This is it.

1832
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:34,440
I'm not wrong.

1833
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:35,780
I can't be wrong.

1834
01:06:35,780 --> 01:06:37,480
It's terrifying if I'm wrong.

1835
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:42,360
But also you just need to fucking go for it man.

1836
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:46,000
Except that you might be wrong sometimes and you'll be fucking mesmerized at some of the

1837
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:47,320
shit that opens up man.

1838
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:48,320
That's all it is.

1839
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:49,320
Cryptic as fuck.

1840
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:51,280
Also it was a fucking raven.

1841
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:52,640
It's a raven.