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Hello everyone and welcome to the Every Movie Ever podcast.

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My name is Ben Grohls.

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And my name is Rob McFarlane.

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Welcome to the show, a movie podcast slash mental health check-in.

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Yeah.

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The two broken brained best friends.

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Yes.

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Talking around their problems, but not about their problems.

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Yeah.

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Whilst, you know, laughing at movies.

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But given that this is a thinly veiled mental health check-in, I feel it's important, Ben,

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to ask how you're doing before we get to what we're doing.

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I'm fucking fantastic if I'm honest with you buddy.

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I have had...

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We've always known that.

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Oh, thanks babe.

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That kind of caught me off guard.

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I thought you were going to be mean then.

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I was like, oh, okay.

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I'm a new man.

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Oh, thank you.

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I've had the best couple days off of my entire fucking life.

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I cannot begin to explain how productive and how fulfilling the last few days have been.

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I've had three consecutive days off work.

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Oh, it's a rarity.

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It's a rarity.

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Yeah.

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I've had it.

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It's been amazing.

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Tomorrow is going to suck.

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Oh dude, it fucking blows man.

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I was back at work today and it was the longest day in existence.

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There was 113 hours in today's workday.

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It was insane.

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I've watched an ungodly amount of Ty West films because I'm fucking obsessed with Ty

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West now.

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Yeah, of course.

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And Bad Ben movies.

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I've been watching all the Bad Ben movies.

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Foreshadowing.

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I mean, maybe.

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I don't know about these films.

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For the listener who doesn't know what the fuck they are.

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Shall we just keep that secret?

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Yeah.

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Let's just keep that secret.

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How are you buddy?

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Fill me in.

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I am sore.

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You're sore?

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I'm the mighty sore.

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Who the fuck has made you sore?

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I will fight them in a car park.

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I have made myself sore.

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You prick.

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I will meet you in a car park.

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I've been too eager with my body and I'm now very sore.

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I went to the gym.

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Oh, okay.

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For those thinking that it was something darker.

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Sure.

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I found a new gym that a lot of my colleagues go to.

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All the colleagues that are like, wham, like utterly little hench people.

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I'm like, where do you go?

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And they're like, oh, we go to this gym.

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I went there.

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It's fucking heavenly.

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It's in the middle of nowhere.

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Amazing.

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It's got a beautiful view out of like one wall that's just all glass windows.

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Yeah.

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And because you got a drive there, there's no fucking teenagers.

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Oh, I love that.

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It's all just adults with headphones on who are happy to help you with the equipment.

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That's the one.

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See the gyms always risky, man, because you either go there and there's no other cunt

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there and you feel amazing.

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Right.

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Or you go there and everyone there is beautiful.

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And it's like, you've all completed the gym.

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Go to the library, go work on your fucking brain.

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Let the sweaty, weird, out of shape ones.

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Yes.

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Use this for a bit because you've done this.

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You've completed it.

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Next level.

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You know what I mean?

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Whereas this gang are like inspiringly beautiful.

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Oh, I like that.

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I could do that, but everyone's keeping to themselves.

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And me being the gym guy that I am, I did back, shoulders, chest, legs, and core all

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in the same day.

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Why?

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That's fucking stupid.

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Because I thought I'd get my money's worth, Ben.

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It was a fiver and I'm poor.

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You know what?

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Who the fuck am I to judge?

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Fair play to you, buddy.

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You've absolutely nailed it.

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What are we doing today, buddy?

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Today, buddy, we are rounding out Ty West's X trilogy series with the third and final,

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maybe the recently released Maxine.

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Yes we are.

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Now this is spoiler heavy, but good news.

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It's available on home streaming.

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It is.

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If you know where to go.

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It is.

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I'm not going to make choices for you about where to get your films.

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I know where I get mine and you do too.

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And it's, it's fine.

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We're just, we're fine.

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Everyone knows we're all adults here.

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All right.

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We're all adults.

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All right.

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And I use a VPN, so it's fine.

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Protected.

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Oh, you use VPN.

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I don't.

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Fuck.

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All right.

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You just raw dog the dark web.

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I'm being honest.

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I was getting a little suspicious of the amount of hot Russian singles that are in my area.

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You know what I mean?

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Literally right behind you.

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You can feel their breath on the back of your neck.

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Oh, they're in my area.

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It does blood.

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But we've got a lot to get through this week.

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We are talking about if Maxine holds up to the previous stellar instalments of the X

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trilogy.

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We are.

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We're also talking why I relate to Maxine Minx on a cellular level.

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Does the end of this film make any fucking sense?

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Who is the Night Stalker?

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And most importantly, did Ty West succeed in his mission to bring sexy back to horror?

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I'm assuming when you...

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The song was in there.

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This is why I left it for you.

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You're welcome.

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Brilliant.

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Brilliant.

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We're going to be spoiler heavy.

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This was recently released, but there are issues in this film that I need to air and

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they all happen in Act Three.

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I'd recommend seeing the film first.

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Go watch the film.

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We don't give a shit.

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In which case, find out why you don't have to watch this film or you should have watched

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this film by staying tuned.

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Go and watch it and then immediately come back to us to validate our existences.

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We love you.

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Thank you very much.

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You've always pulled me into that one and I'm getting less and less okay with it as

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time goes on.

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It's fine.

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Now, 2024, the year that this came out, the year we find ourselves in, the year of our

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Lord, it's a stacked year for cinema.

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Fuck yeah it is, man.

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How many movies can you name that have been mint this year?

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Abigail.

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The movie.

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Long Legs.

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Haven't seen it.

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Monkey Man.

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Fucking Mint.

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Civil War.

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Possibly the best film of the year.

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Ooh, that's strong.

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We'll see.

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Godzilla X Kong New Empire.

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May have misspoken on the previous one.

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Dune Part Two.

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Definitely misspoken on the previous, previous one.

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Quiet Place Day One.

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Incredible film.

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Took me out of spite, surprise, loved it.

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Wish we'd covered all the films.

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Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes.

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Couldn't give a shit.

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It was absolute dog shit.

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Why have they all got American teenage voices?

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Doesn't make any fucking sense.

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Haven't seen it, but love the soundtrack.

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Fucking incredible film.

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Deadpool and Wolverine.

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Loved it.

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The list continues, buddy.

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I wish it had because I was kind of enjoying that.

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A little quick fire podcast.

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Yeah, shit.

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I've planned this out, man.

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I had two days off.

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Welcome to the fucking fully fleshed out Ben show.

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Ready?

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The date that this came out 2024 on an estimated budget of one million dollars for Maxine,

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by the way, buddy.

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I need to put that in perspective because they closed down parts of Hollywood to film

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small sets of films.

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I mean, I'm not going to say that it's a big deal.

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I'm not going to say that it's a big deal.

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I'm not going to say that it's a big deal.

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These famous plays that are already in style, we do have 18 million dollars.

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deal.

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Wait.

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and that shit still blows my mind with a box office of 19.8 million. 19.8 million. That's

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fucking banging. Exactly. For what? For a B movie horror? Most successful of the trilogy, buddy.

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And this is where I was. This is where I spotted my mistake as well. X came out on a budget of

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1 million made 15 million. I said in our Pearl episode that it had a budget of 8 million and

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that was, that was an estimated from a website that didn't trust, but also right. Poor research

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because I was researching the encyclopedia of fucking pre-war cinema. Yeah. You had the

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five hour episode plan that we got 6% of the way through before we had to say goodbye. Yeah.

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Yeah. That's the one that'll live forever. Glad the audience know all that work you did. Yeah.

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It's great. Time well spent. I'm just going to start a blog when I'm like 75 and blogs no

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longer exist. You know what I mean? I'll be the retro. It will be the VHS of Ben's research.

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Pearl actually had an estimated budget of 1 million. So each of these three films cost

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1 million to make X made 15 mil pearl made 10 mil. That's understandable. Cause of COVID and

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the fucking like cinema releases, we had to wait an extra year. It was bullshit. Anyway, I'm,

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I'm over it. And then we've got a 20 million, nearly 20 million. Right. From he's cleaned up.

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He's like the reverse of he's the opposite of Craig Sala. Yeah. We did this trilogy because

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I fucking love B movies. I love eight is horror. I love slashes, the gore, everything about this.

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And Ty West has created a trilogy with some of the best recent examples of these genres, all

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wrapped up in the most, some of the most gorgeous, delicious examples of what,

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of not what just good horror looks like buddy, but what a good film looks like. It's good cinema.

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I got to admit, I'm always slightly suspicious when you plan a trilogy and you're like,

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I'm going to lay out everything that you need to love about this particular special interest of mine.

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Yeah. I got you. And by about film three and I go, I'm not really getting it. You're like, yeah,

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these were really weren't really the picks. These weren't for you. And I'm like, I'm like,

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oh, okay. Cool. And then this one fully on board, mate. We'll get to that. But yeah,

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which is more than you've been for, I mean, Gerbils gold golden grilled cheese sandwich

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that sold it. Some of those, right. So you can die in a fire, but like others,

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this is fucking incredible. What's wrong with you? Blood and gold. Incredible. Mad Heidi.

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Incredible. Come on. I thoroughly enjoyed these. Like X is a solidly enjoyable film. Pearl is a

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legitimately great film. And this one is complicated. We'll get to it. It is complicated.

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It is complicated, buddy. But these films are important. They're important for the horror

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community. Okay. And yeah, it's not that it's not citizen Kane. Let's fucking take a breath here.

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Okay. So horror is in a, I feel like horror is in a sticky situation. The last few years,

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it loves being massively hit and miss. And when I say massively hit and miss, I mean, either it's

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either like, oh, that was enjoyable. Or it's like, what the fuck was the point in what I just

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watched? Is that not a trope of the genre at this point, Ben? I mean, to an extent, yes, but you go

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back a couple of decades and you're in an area where if you're sitting there going, what the fuck

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did I just watch? You've got a massive grin on your face and you're like, that was the goofiest

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shit I've ever seen. It was someone who genuinely had a weird, weird idea. Who just wanted to run

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with it. But the passion was in it. Whereas now it feels like a lot of the studios are just churning

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out the same old generic bullshit just constantly, just for the sake of getting in like three or four

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jump scares. And then that's it. And it's boring. Yeah. It went through a phase of that. It went

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through a phase of if it made you jump, it counted as scary. That's exactly what it is. And I know

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you've said this in the past and I do wholeheartedly agree with you on a different level, but I do

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wholeheartedly agree with you. You've said that horror is difficult because you need to make not

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just a good horror film, but a good film. Yeah, you do. You do. And I wholeheartedly believe with

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my entire, entire being that Ty West has done this three times over to an extent that has genuinely

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dropped my fucking jaw. Well, that's unfortunate. I know. Let's get into the breakdown. You'll see.

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I've written this week's breakdown. Here's the jingle.

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Okay. So straight off the rip, mate, I'm going to commend you already. I've not read the

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breakdown, but I can see that you've titled your fucking act numbers. And this makes me so

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unbelievably happy, mate. I know my best mate's kinks for better or worse. I know what he enjoys.

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I don't know why I enjoy it so much titles for the act. That does cause a little, it ticks all the

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brain boxes. Like it just gives me a good fuzz on the brain. It's fucking beautiful. And thank you

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by the way. I love you for putting this in. That's very sweet. I love you too, buddy. I love you too.

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Right. Act one. I'll start act one. Going deep with a porn star. It's 1985. The serial killer

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known as the night stalker roams the streets of LA. Shoulders are extra padded and parents are

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worrying about the adult themes available in kids music and videos these days. We find sole

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survivor of the ex murder farm, Maxine Minx, auditioning for a horror movie sequel, trying

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to escape her successful, but aging career as a porn actress. We briefly meet her friends in the

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adult world, other working women, her gay best mate who runs an adult video rental shop and her

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agent played by Gus from breaking bad. This guy keeps popping up and stuff. And every time he does,

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I am annoyed to see him. Why? Like he he's an excellent actor, but fuck me. Like that first

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role has just become an absolute album. Do you know what? He's the, he's the biracial Daniel Radcliffe

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Oh, cause he's a good actor. But every time I see him, I go, Oh, it's that guy. And it just rips me

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out. Oh, okay. I see fucking everything. And he's always the calm psychopath. Yeah. Doesn't show

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emotion, but is able to, or he's well organized. He's got spreadsheets. Do you know, I'm just like,

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I'm fucking over it. Everything you've described is autism. And I'm like, I relate to him on such

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a level. And you're like, God, you know, it's the show me. It's just spreadsheets and no emotion in

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this. And I'm like, Ben, the only sheets you have ever spread are that of the ladies of Telford.

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You have never opened a text. That was a bold statement. Fuck. I'm like painfully single buddy.

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Also we're reading from a fucking spreadsheet right now, but yeah. And do you remember how much

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you complained when I instituted this system and like, Oh, fucking they're all fucking odd shapes.

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They're not, there's no uniform here. Fuck you read on. I said I'm done. I got off track. All

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right. Sounds you. All right. Sounds. Let me calm down a sec. Act two, a beautiful portrait of trauma.

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Maxine gets the role in the upcoming horror sequel. The same day she begins to receive

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cryptic notes, implying someone out there might know her checkered past. We see the gloved hands

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of the serial killer stalker and her loved ones. And it's not long before one by one, they begin

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to turn up dead branded with pentagrams. A private investigator played by Kevin Bacon, who is fucking

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incredible in this film, by the way, he's brilliant. He's revealed to be the source of the notes

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stating that on behalf of his employer, that the past has caught up with her and that it's his time

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for her to face it as the bodies pile up and the pressure mounts on Maxine. Her already bruised

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psyche begins to fray at the edges and her ability to focus on her big break in Hollywood slips.

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Given the weekend to sort herself out by the director, she actions a plan to crush

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the private investigators dreams. Act three, fuck all of you for thinking this film was relatable.

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Okay. Yeah. So serial killer is her mental priest dad who's managed to convince his congregation

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to carry shotguns under their robes and film his copycat murders for Christ. Yeah. And then

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there's a priest versus cops shoot out. Father Ted gets shot. Yeah. She stands over his defenseless

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surrendered body, not so red has a little daydream about how famous she's going to be and how it'll

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all be movies about her life and broadly fine. Yeah. Cut back to the present and she's like,

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nah, dad, you did save me. And decapitates him with both barrels of the shotgun and full view

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of the police. Yeah. Who now surround the second high body count crime scene that she is the sole

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survivor of. Yeah. Maxine rejects the daydream. She commits to her vengeful closure in a wonderful

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final installment of a trilogy about the unhealthy desire for fame, bringing nothing but pain. But

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in this one, the heroin realizes that she should fight her own demons and close off her painful

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memories. And rather than running to increasingly bright alights and the hope they'll banish the

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shadows in her mind, she's going to reject fame, except no, it doesn't because then it cuts to one

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month later and she's still in the fucking film and now she's a star and she's not as faced a

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single fucking consequence. So the moral of the story is be a coward all the time until everyone

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around you fucking dies, but it's all right because it'll help you get ahead in your own career

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because your rivals will die and then judge dreaded your dad so you can double down on your

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unhealthy behavior. Fuck this film. Oh, this is going to be a great show, man. I've got so much

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to rebut on this, but after hearing your breakdown, bud, I'm going to take it that you hated this film.

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No, no, I actually, I actually do very genuinely like this film. Okay. That's good. We'll get it.

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We'll get into it. It has issues. Okay. They're going to seem small, but you know, when you see

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a nice tiled bathroom floor and it's a big space and every single one of those tiles is perfect.

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Yeah. But there's just that bit over there where someone's fucked it up. Right. And now the pattern's

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not right. Okay. You could have just gone for crazy paving. Yeah. It could have been worse

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and I'd have liked it more. This film could have been worse and I'd have liked it more.

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It's nearly perfect. Yeah. As a result. Okay. It fucking annoyed. We'll get into it. We'll get into

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it. All right. The 80s setting is yeah. It's a bit hammy. Right. Okay. It is a bit hammy. I'm not going

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to disagree with you, but I have, I have Ty West's explanation of this and it's glorious.

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Okay. Ty West has this insane ability, right? And specifically in the X trilogy, cause I've watched

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his entire back catalog now specifically in the X trilogy, he's able to transport us to the time

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that he sets his films in. Right. Yes. Having the movie that he's making reflect the state of cinema

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at the time. And not only has he done it with X and Pearl for the seventies and the pre-war

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film. I feel like he's done it again for the eighties in Maxine, right? Maybe, maybe. So

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the reason that it feels a bit hammy is because it's not stereotypical 1980s, right? It's not

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what people in, it's not people, it's not though, it's not people in leg warmers. It's not like

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jazzercise. It's not this shit. It's dude. There's literally a scene where she walks down a street

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and the things she passes in the background at 80s, those guys doing Kung Fu, there is this VHS

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in the background reading out eighties news reports. She lives in like her stock cube of the

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eighties. Nah man, she lives in an amalgamation of what summer of 1985 would be. The cars are

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from the fifties, sixties and seventies because people would have old cars. The furniture is

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from every era because people would have old furniture. Yeah. The movie store is for, I mean,

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the VHS thing is like the boom was in the seventies and the VHS stores were having their heyday in

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the eighties. It's successful. I just feel like it's not the subtlety that the rest of the film

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has. He's really like eighties, eighties, eighties, eighties, eighties. That's what the eighties was, man. The eighties was loud,

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fucking bright pink neon signs, but also. It is consistent with the style. It's just, I find it's

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a bit heavy handed at times. It has to be, man. I mean, we've got a memory of the eighties. I was born

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in 88, so I don't remember sort of like the summer of 85, but I remember growing up in a house with

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furniture from the sixties, seventies and eighties. Do you know what I mean? Like, and everything was

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like in amalgamation decades before. I feel like he's done that with this film and it's fucking

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perfect for me. I guess, I guess a few weeks ago I used a word that you hadn't heard before and you

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got to the point where you were using it in sentences. If you say pastiche, I'm going to

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flip this desk. What's it pastiche of the eighties? Good. Yes. Because it should be.

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Okay. He's taking a shit load of stuff from the fuck. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

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Anyway, for me, I see where you're coming from. I do. I understand it. That's fine. Yeah. Yeah.

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For me personally, I'm obsessed with the eighties. I'm obsessed with B movies. I love this sort of

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like cheap. It looks like it smells like cheap tobacco. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. That's

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what I live for in cinema. That's what I want. I want to watch a film and I go,

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that's American spirit right there. That's what it smells like. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I want.

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So in this one, we're taking a trip to 1985 downtown LA, Hollywood to all of you uninitiated.

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The air is thick with cocaine, stale cigarette smoke and the finest mustaches illuminated by

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neon signs from back alley video stores you have ever seen. You know what I mean? It could be

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subtler. It could be. And I don't watch, say Todd Howard's Joker and go, I'm really aware that this

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is, I'm being told repeatedly through background shots and editing styles of the era. Yeah. It

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sets the era where everything's consistent with that era and I can lean into it. Yeah. It's not

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being like, it's not like fingers down between my teeth going, eat it, eat it. Yeah. But I think,

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that film isn't a sort of schlock horror from the eighties B movie. Do you know what I mean?

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Yeah. But okay. That's, that's where I wanted to get you to now. Now that that statement's on record

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and in the transcript, which are now available for our many deaf listeners. Yeah. Now that's in

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the transcript. I, I wanted to just, I've got you on record. All right. Let the record stay. Deaf

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readers, if you're not culturally insensitive, like Rob. I am. That's on record now for all our

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many deaf readers. Yeah. I just wanted to get you to a point where it's, it's a schlocky, it's a

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schlocky B bit of fun. All right. I get that. I get that. Like, like X and like, like Pearl to a lesser

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extent. Right. This is the point. This is what's inspired this movie. The schlocky B movie horror

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genre from the eighties has inspired this movie. Let's look at X, right? X is set in the seventies.

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It's a film crew making a homemade porno for direct to VHS, which was going through a huge boom at

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the time. Right. Yeah. Pearl was set in 1918 war torn pandemic world, starry odd pearl desperate

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for anything other than the fucking hell that she is living through. Yeah. 1985. Uh, it's, we're,

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we're making a horror sequel, including the story meta. Very Mary, like, oh, we're making a sequel

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to a horror movie. And how do we do that? And it's, it's, it's commenting on itself as it is.

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It's a, it's a love of like the filmmaking process of its own. It's a snake sucking itself off.

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Oh God. I love that kind of thing. To completion. Me too. Let's go. Um, we've got all the struggles

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of the struggles of an aspiring actor. We've got a brief look into studio backlots and sort of how

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they take these cheap imitations and turn them into something magical. It's peeking behind the

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curtain. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Some of our like biggest fucking

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films of our childhood is great. Yeah, totally. But with all of this, we of course have all the

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serial killer, true crime, culty weird shit that you can get your hands on. Know what I mean? Yeah.

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There's a running theme throughout the film that the night stalker is out and about. And we're led

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to believe throughout the film that the murders of her friends are being perpetrated by this

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existing murderer who's been off killing again for many, many months. So the murders in the film

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match up to certain aspects of the night stalkers real life case. So they've sliced it in, which is

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fucking incredible. I went down a rabbit hole with the night stalker, the whole Richard Ramirez thing.

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It's ridiculous, ridiculous. Do you know how he got caught? Was he not one of those ones that

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boasted about it to a mate? No, he, he had a, he was just fucking like walking about the one day

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and his picture was released, um, out to the newsstands and on like news channels and stuff. And he

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hadn't realized, so he was just walking about doing his thing and then a mob of angry citizens

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chased him down and kicked the shit out of him until the police showed up and dragged him off

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to jail. That's literally what happened. It was amazing. Anyway. Wow. Yeah. Sorry. That blew my

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fucking mind. But you had specific movie inspirations with X, you know, like Debbie

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does Dallas, Texas chainsaw massacre, that kind of, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The aesthetics there had that

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kind of wizard of Oz meets, uh, whatever happened to baby Jane. Exactly. You've also got a lot of

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like palace follies influence in there as well. Cause obviously the whole, I mean, the fucking

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film is based around palace follies, right? But the thing that surprised me the most about Maxine

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is I was, I was gasping to hear what Ty West had to say about this, what movies he took inspiration

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from, uh, which, which sort of direction he was, he was choosing where he got specific elements of

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the film from. It's not based on a fucking film. It's not based on a specific film at all. No,

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no, it's got like, it's, it's dripping with references to lots of eighties movies. Like,

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it is you pointed out when we were chatting the other day, Kevin Bacon plays the private

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investigator in this. He does. Yeah. And he's pitch perfect. He's an utter sleaze ball. I'm

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so happy with Kevin Bacon being alive and being the man he is and not just doing fucking phone

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adverts, but still doing great fucking performances. But he's gone back to where he started. Right.

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He started in horror Friday 13th, right? Yeah, totally. But his costume in this is super

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reminiscent. I'm like, where do I know that? Where do I know that? And then you're like,

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it's literally Jack Nicholson's outfit from Chinatown. I'm like, oh, fucking course it is.

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Like to a T I sent you a picture of it. And I was like, I was like, Kevin Bacon, you were like,

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eh, there's tons of stuff like this, man. There's loads of nods. Yeah. There's nods,

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but it's not a specific. There's not a specific film. It's just a, it's just a general sweep of

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80 cinema, which again, I love. Okay. I, I'm not going to lie. I was a little bit disappointed

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because I was desperate for time to love Thai West a little bit more. Yeah. And what he said

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in an interview was, uh, he said in an interview with Fangoria when they asked him about like,

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you know, what, what was the movie that inspired Maxine? And he said so many things because it

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could be movies that are LA based or movies about Hollywood. It could also be the Gallo movies.

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It could also be the gritty Hollywood movies like angel of ice squad, anything that's sort of very

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craft forward, like from Hitchcock to department. Okay. It was never anything so specific to say,

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oh, it's going to be like this, but it's recreating a world. You're not only recreating the nostalgia

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of the world and the realism of the world. You're also recreating people's memory from media of the

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time. So it's an amalgamation of all these different things, but that's what's fun about

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this trilogy. They can all be very different and they can all represent different areas of filmmaking

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as part of the same style, but they can still have the connective tissue of both cinema and then the

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through line of the themes of the character, which is fucking gorgeous. And I applaud this man so

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00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:27,520
fucking much. It's a great quote. Unreal. I feel like the loss of the subtlety in the presentation

440
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:34,880
of the era and the loss of the subtlety by leaning into the tropes of the era plays against the

441
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:41,360
quality of the film. Okay. He's so dedicated to not only being written in the eighties, not only

442
00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:46,960
representing the worries and fears of the eighties, but also showing you all of the sort of eighties

443
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:52,720
tokens and symbols. Okay. Here's some guys doing Kung Fu. Here's the video store. Here's the neon.

444
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:59,840
Here's Reagan. It then also on top of that leans into the filmmaking and storytelling techniques

445
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:07,600
of the eighties. And it continues to do that much more than X or Pearl does. And I think the subtlety

446
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:16,080
of those films are what I appreciated. The subtlety of this film is what I appreciate about it.

447
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:21,680
Okay. There's a wonderful thing with Maxine herself, right? In that we've often said on this

448
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:26,160
show, like what doesn't kill you gives you nightmares. What doesn't kill you makes you cry

449
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:30,400
at fireworks. Yeah. It makes you panic attack in public. What doesn't kill you makes you suspicious

450
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:37,040
of partners whose only crime is like having a life outside of you. Right? Or what doesn't kill you

451
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,800
means you can't go out without feeling like you need a pint in one hand and a bag in the pocket.

452
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:45,440
Exactly. Yeah. We've all been there. Right. We've established time and time and time again that shit

453
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:50,080
happens to you and you are less capable of stuff afterwards. A hundred percent. But what this film

454
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:57,040
does so excellently is it shows that trauma doesn't make you incapable. Right. Like in many ways it

455
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:02,160
makes you more capable. It's just what you're capable of may not be healthy. Exactly. Or healing.

456
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:08,160
Yes. You're more capable at doing what's necessary to keep yourself safer than you were before. Yes,

457
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:13,760
buddy. Even if the methods of doing that aren't good for your long-term health. Fuck yes, man.

458
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:19,360
I wholeheartedly agree. Maxine after the events of X can look after herself. She can defend herself

459
00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:23,600
against all sorts of horrific shit. There's a scene where a guy tries to rape her at knife point and

460
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:28,320
it goes so fucking terribly for him. Oh, don't. And all of his shopping falls out of his bag. Dude,

461
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:33,440
in the cinema there was an audible groan of every person in there just going, oh,

462
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:40,800
at the exact same time. Cinema is so good at taking that double-edged sword of trauma

463
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:46,400
and only showing one side. Yeah. It's like this survivor, it's a super hardcore,

464
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,880
nothing fazes them. They're certified badass. They don't take shit anymore because they've

465
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:57,760
been through it. Or this victim is a broken shell and they're weak and incapable of functioning

466
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:04,080
until they're forced to step up by the events of the film. And what I love about this film is by

467
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:09,840
showing both, it's not thrown down your neck. It's a little subtle delicate dish. Yeah. It's

468
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:18,080
like the little lightest, gentlest of fingertips only hand stuff of a film until you get to the

469
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:22,640
third act and you get punched right in the genitals by a priest shoot out. Okay. I hear

470
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,640
what you're saying. I do. And I agree with everything you've just said. And I can completely

471
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,640
understand where you're coming from with everything you've just said. The one thing that I'm going to

472
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:37,760
do now is I'm going to do my little horror flex, right? Right. Because I've been thinking about

473
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:43,920
this a lot. And when I watched this trilogy, my initial thoughts were X is my film. Yeah. Pearl

474
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:49,360
is your film. Yeah. And Maxine is going to be a mixed bag. And I genuinely cannot believe how

475
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,880
you're not wrong. Yeah. I can't believe how much I fucking nailed that. I honestly, I shocked myself.

476
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,680
So you were saying about X being subtle in the seventies and stuff like this. I agree with you,

477
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:08,560
but because it's in rural Texas, outside of LA, horror in the seventies was much slower paced.

478
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:14,400
It was much subtler. I mean, you watch Halloween, it's the pace in slow. It's a slow build. You

479
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:19,680
watch stuff like fucking it's a man in a bush staring at teenagers for two hours and then one

480
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:24,560
person gets killed. It's amazing. It's fucking incredible. But also you've got stuff like the

481
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,960
Hills have eyes, which is about literal mutants, you know, like an incest family in the mountains

482
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:34,320
subtle as anything. It's slow burns and that's 70 cinema. And what he's done with X is he's

483
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:39,200
mirrored that. Yes, he has. And he's done these people build in their own film in that climate.

484
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:45,680
Right. It's a Maxine mirrors its era as well. It does by being faster paced and sillier and louder.

485
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:50,640
But it's not just faster paced and stuff though. It's, it's exactly mirroring what Hollywood,

486
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,560
what downtown Hollywood would have been like. It would have been full of fucking Kung Fu studios.

487
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:59,280
It would have been busy. It would have been like over the top to the point of almost deafening and

488
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:04,000
sickening because everyone there is desperate to make it. It's perfect for Maxine. I don't know if

489
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,720
I trust that representation. I think it's too concentrated. It's a stock cube of the eighties.

490
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:13,600
Exactly. That's what eighties horror is. Where every year. Right. That's what eighties horror is.

491
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:18,480
Eighties horror is sort of like, it's, it's a big buildup of huge special effects. It's, it's

492
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:24,320
testicles being stomped on, but it's not just implied now. Now it's full on the screen. Shit's

493
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:29,600
being stomped on. Kevin Bacon had a full erection in Friday the 13th, by the way. I've gone through

494
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:34,560
this so many times. I know that my friends have sent you a picture of me doing a fucking Ted talk

495
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:39,600
whilst watching Friday the 13th. I got a photo from one of your mates that I, I at the time didn't

496
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:45,920
really have any fucking conversation history with at all. And it's just you in front of a large

497
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:53,200
screen television pointing at Kevin Bacon's penis, love sausage, his yogurt thrower in some tight

498
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:58,480
pants. I was, and just, and just the line we're now getting a Ted talk. Yeah. I was fuming. I was,

499
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:03,440
we paused the film and I was yelling in my friend's living room about Kevin Bacon's anonymous

500
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,840
erection that no one's, no one talks about. He said in an interview, it was a sock. It's not a

501
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:14,000
fucking sock. It's sharp. How many sharp socks do you own Rob? It doesn't make sense. Anyway,

502
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,160
sorry, I'm off topic, but anyway, that's what I mean. It's loud. It's loud. It's in your face.

503
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,640
It's downtown Hollywood. Now we're in the belly of the beast. This is it. Yeah. Everything is here.

504
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:27,680
Everything stems from here. So it's going to be this bustling melting pot of everything that you

505
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:32,720
can think of just fucking bubbling and overflowing and people being like cast out like their fuck

506
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:37,200
all. Cause it's meaningless. If you're in the belly of the beast, you're in, that's it. Yes.

507
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:43,520
You have to fucking thrive there. It's nothing but loud panic, intense constantly. I know I lived

508
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:48,240
in London for 15 years. I lived there for a year and I fucking hated it. Do you know what I mean?

509
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:54,160
I went to Japan and it was less busy. Like I was in a city in Japan and it was less,

510
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:59,760
it was calmer than London. I hated it, but I feel like he's done a fucking incredible job of

511
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:04,960
representing the decades, the subtlety. So I'm not saying it's not impressive. I'm not saying it's

512
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:11,120
not impactful. I'm not saying of course it's not a wonderful distillation, but it is a distillation.

513
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:16,080
It's not an accurate representation. And I love this as a distillation. It's great. Yeah. But as

514
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:21,120
a place for a relatable character to live, I'm like, why are they in a comic of the teenage

515
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:27,280
mutant Ninja Turtles? Yes buddy. This leads me to my next point fucking perfectly. Because

516
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:33,520
subjectively, I know that that's not your cup of tea. Yeah. I know you like the subtle storytelling.

517
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:38,160
You like the sort of the deep impactful stuff that sort of almost whispered over a nonchalant

518
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:42,560
fucking throw away gorgeous scene, right? That's gorgeous. Hide it from me. It's it's hide and

519
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:47,600
see exactly. I want to be punched in the face by the toxic Avenger. Like I want to be slapped in

520
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:53,360
the mouth with fucking Kevin Bacon's erect penis from Friday the 13th that no one's ever fucking

521
00:32:53,360 --> 00:33:00,320
talking about. I want it. I want it in and around my face. Get it on me. So the fact that this film

522
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,160
is so hit and miss for both of us, like there's different areas of this film where I'm like,

523
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:09,200
this is fine. Like the, the slow buildup in the beginning where it's sort of like almost a beautiful

524
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:14,960
gritty cop drama. You find it beautiful. I found it a little slow and that's fine. Oh, that's fine.

525
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,960
Because the back drop of it was so big and so loud. And I was like, there is so much

526
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:24,480
possibility to just do the most audacious stuff right now. Like that's just the audacity that

527
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:30,160
this film could have. And it doesn't. And it was annoying me. Yeah. I related to Maxine Mink so

528
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:35,600
fucking much in the third act. It was unreal because it all came to light. I know that we

529
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,840
differ on this, right? We both grew up without dads. We both grew up without dads. All right.

530
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,040
Okay. Right. We're bringing daddy home. Okay. Right. Yeah. We're bringing daddy home because

531
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:47,440
this fucking film is essentially just daddy issues completed one-oh-one. You know what I mean? Like

532
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:52,000
it's the, the Xbox achievement fucking, yeah. Murder daddy. You know what I mean?

533
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:58,240
Like that's the thing. You grew up without a father. It was never, you never missed your father.

534
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:05,680
Right? No. So, so, uh, my mom decided, decided, made an active decision to be a single parent.

535
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:10,160
Okay. Um, they were both very young. My dad decided, but she gave my dad the choice. She's

536
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:14,640
like, look, we, neither of us were intending to have a child. A child has happened and I'm

537
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:19,280
choosing to keep it, but that kind of removes your bodily autonomy. So what do you want to do? You're

538
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:26,640
19. You're signed up to uni. What's the plan, my dude? Yeah. And he went his way. And as a result,

539
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:31,440
I never, I was never, I never felt rejected because he'd never met me. Right. Of course. Uh,

540
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,840
I, and when people say, oh, you know, do you miss having a dad? I'm like, well, do you miss wings?

541
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:41,360
I've never had wings. Well, well, exactly. Like I, I, I didn't grow up needing that structure. I'd

542
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:46,640
never put roots on a wall that then crumbled. Yeah, of course. Or a wall that then fucked off

543
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:52,720
to get milk and never came back. Sure. Like I grew, I grew with all the support I had and that

544
00:34:52,720 --> 00:34:56,960
level of support never changed. Exactly. Right. And that's a fucking, that's glorious because look at

545
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:02,720
the man you've become today. I couldn't be prouder. Love you. A 35 year old barely employed podcaster.

546
00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:07,680
Yes. See what I mean? Fucking smashing it, mate. Smashing it. I love every inch of it. All three.

547
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:16,720
It's perfectly average. Right. My, whereas my dad left when I was six, I was very conscious of the

548
00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:21,520
fact that he was leaving. Uh, and even when we did have contact with my dad, he would drop me off at

549
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:28,080
babysitters, which was arguably the worst time of my life. Yes. Funny to laugh about it now, but that

550
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:32,800
was at the time very, very dark sort of like weird situations. Fine. I can't imagine it being funny

551
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:38,960
at the time. That would be weird. Right. So I get the babysitters and like, never guess what Fred's done.

552
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:49,840
So I grew up with the rejection. I grew up, it's left me with like deep inset sort of fundamental

553
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:54,560
abandonment issues, like weird unresolved. The worst thing you can do for a child get be there

554
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,800
and then not be there or pretend to be there. And then just go, nah, which is fine. You know,

555
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,160
he did his own thing. He taught me a great lesson. He taught me how not to be a person. And I'm forever

556
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,760
grateful for that lesson. I just fucking wish it would have been done in a gentler manner.

557
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:10,480
That would have been lovely. You know what I mean? Right. So we have, we have a difference in the,

558
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:15,520
the dad thing because mine's very theoretical and yours is very practical. And now I relate to

559
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:20,640
Maxine Minx, whereas she is in the belly of the beast in the third act of this film. She's made

560
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:25,280
it. She's been cast in the pure and two. She's been chasing this for her entire fucking life.

561
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,920
She gave the audition of a lifetime. Yes. Brilliant. Just that even that little,

562
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,680
when she's direct to camera, the whole monologue there, fuck me mate. That was beautiful.

563
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,320
Not quite Pearl, beautiful, but it was beautiful. She's been cast in, she's doing this thing. Her

564
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,720
life is catching up behind her past is catching up behind it. And then out of nowhere, this fucking

565
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:47,760
Belen just shows up and he's just sort of like, Oh, I'm with all the guys that are like Hollywood

566
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:53,760
has stolen our daughters and you're going to be the star of my film. I is stupid. It is, but I

567
00:36:53,760 --> 00:37:00,000
get it. I get it because it's like her unresolved trauma from her father is now there and so fucking

568
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,160
prominent that it's not just affecting her. It's affecting her entire life. And because it's

569
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:10,000
undelt with it's unprocessed, it's just this raw bundle of mess that is now fucking up everything

570
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:14,800
that she's worked for, which is a very sort of like, it's a very on the nose way of saying

571
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:19,200
deal with your shit before your shit deals with you. Yeah. You know what I mean? Very on the nose.

572
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:27,360
And it's also completely untelegraphed in this series. Yes. Because X is this character, this

573
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:34,160
priest is a background setting on the television. It's not even indicated that that is her father.

574
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,760
It's just, he's a priest on the television. Right? Yeah. There's a mention that it's

575
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:43,920
a bit of a father briefly. Right. Okay. I must've missed it. Pearl is then about the desire for fame.

576
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:49,440
So the through line throughout this entire trilogy has been someone's desire for fame

577
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:56,240
and their inability to feel like they are enough and their desire to go get that validation

578
00:37:56,240 --> 00:38:01,360
externally. Right? Yeah, definitely. Then this film is all about that. And then suddenly it's

579
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:08,320
daddy issues and it's like watching Godzilla versus Kong for two movies and then fucking

580
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:14,000
Thanos shows up in film three and they go, Oh yeah, but do you not remember there was a

581
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:19,200
shot of him in the first film for a bit. It'd be like if watching the empire strikes back

582
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:24,000
and it turned out that the dude with the shit on his head that's Lando's mate is actually Luke's

583
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:31,280
father. I mean, kinda, kinda it's just, it's, it's a blind side. It's like, Oh, now it's about this.

584
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:36,160
Yeah. And we're going to tell it with shooting preets and it's silly. It's frivolous. It's

585
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,200
fucking nonsense, but it's a fun way to look at trauma.

586
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:45,520
But we don't, I don't know if I need that. I don't know if I need that. I made about the father

587
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:50,240
thing. You don't need that. Whereas I deal with my traumas by laughing at them and I deal with it in

588
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:54,320
a fun goofy way. And I take the piss out of them a lot because I feel like laughing about stuff

589
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:59,040
takes all the power away from it. It's a safer place today. Okay. So when the daddy issues show

590
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:03,600
up and I'm like, Oh, this is relatable. And then it turns out it's a priest shoot out and she

591
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:08,400
chooses to shoot her father in the face with a double barreled saw off shotgun rather than

592
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:13,680
go and be the famous fucking star that she is literally on the cusp of being. I'm like,

593
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:19,120
yes girl. Right. We need to get to the ending cause I'm still, Ty West has still left me confused

594
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:25,200
about what he means, but, but before I get to that, I want to put this fucking fun stuff to bed.

595
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:31,200
Cause this always comes up, right? Where it feels like I know you don't disallow me, but it feels

596
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:36,160
like commentary generally says that I'm not allowed to dislike something or criticize something.

597
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:41,200
If something is fun, I shouldn't take it too seriously or I'm thinking too much, but here's

598
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:46,480
the thing I can't control. I know you don't. Oh yeah. Okay. Okay. Sounds like I was going to say,

599
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:50,000
don't do, don't put this on me. I fucking, I support you all the way. You yell at me about

600
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,840
the most weird shit ever. You phone me while striving to yell at me about films I've not seen.

601
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:59,440
And I'm like, okay, but, but like this, this thing of, Oh, it's just fun. You know, you don't get it.

602
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,760
It's just fun. You're taking it too seriously and you're thinking too much to which I say, like,

603
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:10,800
I'm not in control of how much I think I don't, I don't get to say when I'm thinking enough or not.

604
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:15,600
My brain is either on or it's off. Right. Yeah. You put me down in front of, I mentioned Godzilla

605
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:20,080
versus Kong, right? My brain is off. It's not coming on because I've made my choice. Yeah,

606
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:25,760
exactly. If you put a, if you put a nuanced film down in front of me, it's going to activate.

607
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:31,440
The thinking cap comes on and I start to relate to the characters. Yeah. Right. Their experiences

608
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:36,720
become my own. I start to empathise and I start to invest in their narrative and I'm, I'm feeling

609
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:42,000
what they're feeling. I'm putting myself in their shoes and I'm living with that character as my

610
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:47,680
surrogate. If I'm in that space and I then suddenly see a monkey twatter lizard in the face with an

611
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:54,400
aircraft carrier because it's fun. It's the genre. I'm like, huh? Yeah. And then I'll wait. You

612
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,000
shouldn't have expected that from this movie. It's a, it's a B movie. It's a bit of fun. It's

613
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:03,600
schlocky. And I'm like, but Ty West has laid out the little trauma snacks and the little hors d'oeuvres

614
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:08,320
of human insight and got the little social commentary barbecue all nice and hot. But

615
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:15,680
apparently I'm the cunt cause I picked up a place. All that stuff I talked about earlier,

616
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:21,600
like the nuance and the care and the selfie is his choice. So when I'm watching that film and

617
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:27,040
I'm wrong footed into, Oh, actually none of that relatable stuff that you did is happy. It matters

618
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:32,960
because it's a fucking 2d cutout of a person who can apparently decapitate a priest in full view

619
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:38,080
of the police with no consequence. I'm like, I've got a point on this, but yeah, right. But if it's

620
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:43,600
fun and it's exactly the same worth and meaning as the last bit of fun with different clothes on,

621
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:49,040
yeah. It's a, it's a two hour anesthetic to the world that takes up some time when my brain

622
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:54,800
doesn't have to be on and that's fine, but it's never going to be better at that than say tremors.

623
00:41:54,800 --> 00:42:01,280
Right. Yeah. A careful here. Cause you're talking about arguably one of my favorite franchises on

624
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:07,280
the fucking planet, but tremors is incredible because it's a well written, incredibly paced,

625
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:12,560
perfectly put together fun film. If I wanted to just put on some fun, you're not going to

626
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:17,600
beat tremors for me. Okay. You've saved it and I'm back on board. I know this is fine.

627
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:23,760
So like that accusation of I'm not having fun with movies, I can always have fun with a movie.

628
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:29,040
Love on a leash is one of my favorite fucking films, right? But to a certain point, I'm looking

629
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:34,880
for more than just like fun. Otherwise it's just going on endless dates with different filmmakers

630
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:40,640
and just being grateful that I got fucked. Okay. I fully understand where you're coming from. And

631
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:46,240
my, my rebuttal to this is a, you're not in control of what you find fun. You just have fun

632
00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:49,280
when you have fun, right? This is why I fucking love doing this podcast with you. Cause you make

633
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:57,120
me think in different ways. And what I, what I aim to do is to show you enough of these movies

634
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:06,080
that are my wheelhouse so that you could, you can some point see why I'm so obsessed with this

635
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:10,400
era of filmmaking. I'm not trying to force it on you so that you enjoy it. No, no, you don't. You

636
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,480
do a really good job of bringing stuff that I get my brain around and I enjoy. I want to,

637
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:19,200
I want to try and challenge this is a mint film. I love this film and I understand. I will be

638
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:23,840
rewatching this. Yeah, it's fucking, it's one of them, but I understand wholeheartedly why the

639
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:29,760
third act fucks you off. And this is why I was desperate to do this trilogy. Um, the way that it,

640
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:35,520
that it shifts gears is very eighties, right? And it's easy to say that because it's, it's like a

641
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:40,480
throwaway statement of, oh, it's fine. It's just the eighties, but it's, it's almost like a, it's

642
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:48,240
almost like a trait, like a personality trait of 80 cinema where it goes from, from silly or intense

643
00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:54,560
or fucking paced as one thing. And then it completely U-turns and turns into something

644
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:59,280
ridiculous. Like tremors. Let's take tremors for an example, right? Yeah. Small town live in,

645
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:03,200
oh, what are we doing? We need to get out of the town. We need to move on. We need to better

646
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,800
ourselves. This is, this is, you know, it's not doing, it's not doing anything for us. This is

647
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,920
something that we need to get out into the big world world, find some wives, have some fun,

648
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:14,080
do this, that and the other. And then 20 minutes later, you're fighting a giant fucking worm.

649
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,520
You know what I mean? Brilliant. Yeah, exactly. You're fighting a grab void that's inspired.

650
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:23,280
Exactly. But it's, it's that pace. I think it's because it comes along so quick. Yes. And it

651
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:27,760
doesn't lead you down, doesn't lead you down a sort of lane. With this, I'm like, who's the

652
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:32,000
night stalker? What's the trauma? What's the metaphor here? There's no metaphor. It's,

653
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,960
it's a freaky priest and shotgun, shotgun congregation. And I'm like, exactly. You ca,

654
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:42,320
you can have both. You can. Something doesn't have to be, something doesn't have to be one or

655
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:46,480
the other, but you need to stitch it together better than this. It's a, it's a country priest

656
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:50,560
who's, who's operating under the guise of the night stalker because that is what was happening

657
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:54,400
at the time. And they started mixing in like copycat murders for the priest. And he was filming

658
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:59,120
it to make his own film, to try and win Maxine back to be like, you can be the star of the

659
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:05,040
church's film and you can be the redemption arc that we all needed. You can re-instill the Christian

660
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:11,200
faith in our, in our parish. I've, I've got an unfortunate analogy for exactly how this film

661
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:16,320
affected me. Okay. It was a conversation I had many years ago with a very attractive Australian

662
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:21,360
woman. Okay. We were chatting for ages. She's really smart. She's really funny. I was feeling

663
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:26,640
super insecure. And as the night went on, we got a little drunker, we got a little higher and I was

664
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:31,760
like, this is really good. And then at a certain point in the night, she said, if you come back

665
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:37,680
to mine, I'm on my rags, but you can throw it up my shitter if you like. You're Australian,

666
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:42,160
absolute Aussie classic. Right. If I could count the number of home and away episodes where that

667
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:47,120
exact line was spoken, I would be in the tens. You know what I mean? Now I'm, I'm not saying it

668
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:53,360
was a massive turnoff, but I didn't go back to hers because we'd started on a very different,

669
00:45:53,360 --> 00:46:00,480
right. That's the fucking, that's Maxine. That's Maxine. Right. Yes. Ty West throws up the shitter.

670
00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:06,000
If she'd started with that, I'd go, okay, I know what this is. I probably would have gone back to

671
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:10,320
hers. You could have geared yourself up to it, right? Right. It was the two or three hours of

672
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:15,200
erudite conversation. And I'm like, oh wow. Right. Followed by that. I'm like, oh, and at a gear,

673
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:19,840
change too many. You're sitting there thinking, right. I, right. So what philosophical,

674
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:24,720
what philosophical author can I look to for my wedding speech when I eventually marry this,

675
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:28,000
right? Exactly. And then she turns around and she's like, well, I'm on my rag, but you can chuck it

676
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,680
up my shitter. And you're like, oh, it's none of them. Yeah. It's Dr. Zuse. Both are great.

677
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:37,840
Both are great. Both are great. And I'm big fans of both styles. Sure. Sure. But if you're going

678
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:42,160
to mix them together, we're going to need, I'm going to need some warning. Yeah, exactly. It's

679
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,840
like a zipper. You know what I mean? The zippers are long for a reason. It takes a while to put

680
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,840
both pieces of fabric together. I get you. Yeah. Wholeheartedly. Literally that. See,

681
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:54,960
literally that. With me mate, scared of zippers, scared of zippers. So it's just fucking just whack

682
00:46:54,960 --> 00:47:00,160
them together. You know what I mean? Yeah. There's a reason you're circumcised. Yeah. Zippers.

683
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaking of zippers, I'm about to fucking, I'm about to blend these two bits of fabric together.

684
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:11,120
All right. You're about to zip it up. I'm about to zip it up. Right. Is the ending of the film

685
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:15,840
real or fake? Is it a dream scenario or is it real? Because I have a fun thought experiment

686
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:21,920
for both angles and I think it's a very fun thing to leave open-ended at the end of this film.

687
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:30,000
So what I would like to be the case is Ty West having made a minor error in the editing.

688
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:35,360
Okay. Not in unintentional, like, oops, I accidentally hit shuffle. Yeah. Just in terms

689
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,960
of like, he would have had his reasons for putting it this way, but I don't think it works as he

690
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:45,360
intended. Okay. What I liked is when she has her daydream about being a big star and then she goes

691
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:50,720
on to shoot her dad in the head and all of the stuff of her having a life after shooting her

692
00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:58,960
dad in the head in the movie industry is all dream world. Right. And it's just an awkward edit

693
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:04,720
where we have dream sequence, goes back to shooting the dad and then we go back to dream

694
00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:09,360
sequence after a hard fade out and a fade in saying one month later. Right. That doesn't

695
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:14,000
work for me because that makes it seem like this isn't dream sequence. Okay. The exception of the

696
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:19,600
fact that the director, Elizabeth Bender played by the ever gorgeous Elizabeth Debicki, incredible

697
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:24,320
turns to Maxine and says, okay, we've got one more shot left in the dream sequence. Yes. And

698
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:29,040
I'm wondering whether or not that was that way you were going to go with it. So I have a different

699
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:33,360
theory. I love you. I have a different take on this because I like, I love the idea of it being

700
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:39,280
real. I love the idea of the police seeing her shoot her father in the face with a double barrel

701
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,880
shot. I'm going to go, well, he has just run around and murdered like fucking nine other people. So

702
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,960
at worst it's a fire. That's not real. Of course it's not real. Rob, look at the film we've just

703
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:52,720
watched. All right. But what I'm sorry, it's fun. Oh, I'm sorry. Do you not like having fun?

704
00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:57,760
Do you not like the movie? God, you just don't get it. Fuck me. I don't get it. What an absolute

705
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:03,360
fucking credit and go back to Nolan. You cunt. So what I'm saying is, is like, I like the idea of

706
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:09,600
it being real because that's stupid, right? That's just, it's so outlandishly stupid, but it's also,

707
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:15,600
and I'd mean this in the nicest way with no, I'm not throwing hate on anyone, right? But sometimes

708
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:21,280
when I look at the news and I see the American justice system in practice, it wouldn't surprise

709
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:26,800
me. It's lucky day. Yeah. It is. It's like some shit happens and I'm like, they did what? And

710
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:32,160
they're just out now. It's a raffle. It's great. It's a, it's a church raffle. It's like, it's insane,

711
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:36,400
but that would be very fun because then it would make, it would be a funny comment on the American

712
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:42,080
justice system, which again, I think is fun. I liked the idea that it's a dream sequence because

713
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:46,720
in the, in the end sequence where they're where the moment you've just mentioned where she turns

714
00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:51,120
around is like, we've got one shot left in the dream sequence. And she asks Maxine, well, what

715
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:56,160
do you want to do next? She goes, well, I just, I just never want it to end. And then it hard cuts

716
00:49:56,160 --> 00:50:02,720
to a prosthetic head of her that's been decapitated on the bed, implying that her character arc in the

717
00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:09,120
Puritan two is dead and done. Right. Yes. So there is no next step, but it's her looking at it going,

718
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:14,080
Oh, it looks so real. And it, you know what I mean? And it's, it's that kind of like, yeah.

719
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,280
And then I think the obvious one is when the camera pans out over Hollywood and the Hollywood

720
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:21,040
sign has been replaced with Maxine. Like that's probably another big fucking giveaway, right?

721
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:28,880
Right. But mainly the head. So I feel, I feel like we're probably on the right track or we're

722
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:35,600
wildly off. Unfortunately, whichever version is true, we've seen this film multiple times.

723
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:39,120
I've literally watched it about six times now. Yeah. We've really dug into it. We've really

724
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:45,760
given it some thought. And if Ty West wanted there to be a clear answer, he hasn't done that

725
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:52,800
successfully. No, I think it's, and I trust Ty West enough to know that he probably, he probably

726
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:58,880
means he doesn't want there to be a clear answer, which is why it's so jumbled. I have a, I do have

727
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:04,080
a quote from Ty West for this. I've, I read countless articles. I've done so much research

728
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:11,040
into this film, just none of which has made it to the show, but he has turned around and been sort

729
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:17,680
of like, I don't sit down to make a movie with a meaning behind it in place. It feels too much

730
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:21,200
like propaganda and it feels, it feels like it can stifle the creative spirit a little bit,

731
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,440
which is great. And I can, I can agree to that. And he was like, if people want to extrapolate

732
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:30,720
meanings from my films, that's incredible. That's perfect. Art is subjective and it's, there's,

733
00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:34,080
there's stuff laid in there from my own experiences. There's stuff laid in there from my

734
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:41,440
own filmmaking experiences. It's just, it's a, it's a fun story that's told in a way that's able to

735
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:45,840
be accessible to anyone and everyone for whatever reason. You know what I mean? He's right. I just

736
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:50,320
always hate that answer. What's it mean? What do you want it to mean? Like you're right. That's

737
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:55,280
correct. That's how artworks, but just fucking tell me. Yeah, just come in. You tell me what

738
00:51:55,280 --> 00:52:00,960
you wanted to say. Nothing. Right. Exactly. You speaking of your research, Ben, we should actually,

739
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:05,280
we should probably, I mean, I know it's a thinly veiled mental health check, but we do have to

740
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:10,080
throw enough movie podcasts. Well, I mean, we're running low on time. Do we have some, right? Do

741
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:16,480
we have any facts? Who is, who is Ty, who is Ty West? Cause we've done three of his films now.

742
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:20,400
I don't know where he's from. I don't know who he is. He's a writer, director and editor from America.

743
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:26,800
Next. Brilliant. Who's Mia Goth? We were going to come back to that. Brilliant. Why, why is he

744
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:34,320
making this trilogy? Filmmakers do that. They just make films, mate. Right. I mean, technically that

745
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:40,560
is, that is all the answers to my question. You're welcome. In the most technical, in the technical

746
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:45,440
sense of the, yeah. And there you go. We're out of time for the meat of the episode, buddy. So

747
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:50,320
welcome to all of my research. That's, that's a stun for the meat of the thing. Are you ready

748
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:57,920
for a game? I'd love a game. You want a game? Yeah. So me and you had a little, me and you had a

749
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:04,080
little, a runabout in discord the other day where I'd planned out this really nice, simple for

750
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,840
question, you know, like fun, goofy little eighties thing. I can't remember how, but you insulted me.

751
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:11,920
And I was like, you know what? Fuck you. I'm just going to do another Buzzfeed just to annoy you.

752
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:19,600
You're such a... So welcome to Buzzfeed. Yeah. This quiz is called, you're a fake horror

753
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:26,800
fan. If you can't pass this eighties pop quiz. I definitely can't. Right. It's okay. It's kind of,

754
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:33,680
it's it's fine. I've done it. I got a hundred percent. No biggie. Of course. In the shining.

755
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:39,120
Yeah. What does Danny nickname his power? Does he nickname it the shining? Does he nickname it Tony?

756
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:46,240
Does he nickname it Timmy or does he nickname it Dr. Sleep? Timmy? Unfortunately buddy, that is

757
00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:52,480
wrong. He nicknames it Tony. Oh, for fuck. I mean, come on. It's the same sound. It's not Dr. Sleep

758
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:57,200
because that's that dog shit, you and McGregor movie that I got 10 minutes into. I did the same

759
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,880
thing. I got 10 minutes in. I was like, this is wank. I've spoken to so many people that love that

760
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,720
film. I'm going to have to give it another go. I've spoken to about 20 people about the film and one

761
00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:09,760
of them thinks it's incredible. Yeah. And the other 19 were like, eh. Okay. Well, at least I'm in good

762
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:14,560
company. You know what I mean? Right. Question two, buddy. In Poltergeist 1982, the ghosts steal

763
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:19,760
Carol Anne through which household structure? Is it the TV? The television. Is it the window?

764
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:26,880
Is it under the bed? Or is it the closet? They're here. Yeah. What answer are you going with there?

765
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:31,600
Carol Anne. You sticking with TV? Come to the light, Carol Anne. No, it's the window in it

766
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:37,680
because the tree comes through the window. Okay. It's the closet. Unfortunately, buddy. I'm sorry

767
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:42,640
about that one, mate. Are you? All right. I'm a fake horror fan. I mean, you're only two questions

768
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:49,520
in, but this is 38 questions in the last boys, 1987, all the half vampires can be saved by doing

769
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:55,200
what? Going out in sunlight, killing the head vampire, killing the head. Thank you, buddy.

770
00:54:55,200 --> 00:55:02,080
Love you. Saw that one for three. Okay. There you go. For the first time in the Changeling 1980,

771
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:06,800
a wealthy family murders their son and replaces him with an orphan. Where does the father hide

772
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:12,320
the remains of his son? Is it the local river? Is it his basement? Is it in a well or is it

773
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:18,560
in Europe? I'm, I've not seen the Changeling, so I'm going to say in Europe confidently with full

774
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:24,480
chest. Okay. Full chest. I'm going to say it's in a well. I'm afraid buddy. Sorry about that one,

775
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:29,600
buddy. From the ring. Here we go. Fine. In sleep away camp 1983, one of the best films ever made

776
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:35,120
for Lisa Rose. Love you. Uh, please come on our show in sleep away camp 1983. What was Angela's

777
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:42,640
original name? Was it Ryan, Thomas, Cameron, or Peter? I'm going to say as a man who's not seen

778
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:51,120
sleep away camp, it's Peter. It is Peter, buddy. Fuck us. Dude. That might, honestly that might get

779
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:55,760
for Lisa Rose on the show. You know what I mean? If she ever hears this fucking yes, buddy in the

780
00:55:55,760 --> 00:56:02,800
haven't even seen the film and I know all about it. Smashing it in a nightmare on Elm street. What

781
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:11,920
is the main character's name? Sarah, Nina, Nancy, or Susan? Uh, Nancy is fuck you, man.

782
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:18,160
Who's been watching horrors behind my back? Hey, uh, haven't seen that one either. Do you know what

783
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:22,960
I love about this quiz is it's testing whether I'm a thing that I've never claimed to be. Oh no, no,

784
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:28,000
no, no. This is just for my enjoyment. And honestly, you're killing the vibe. Like I was really excited

785
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:32,000
about this. You get them all right. And I'm like, yay. Proud of you inside. I'm like, fuck you.

786
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:39,120
Fuck you. In gremlins 1984, Billy breaks two out of the three rules for caring for his gremlin pet.

787
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:45,280
Which rule was not broken? He doesn't feed it. He feeds it after midnight. He gets it wet. He does.

788
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:49,520
So out of the other two options, is it no bright lights or no squeezing?

789
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,800
He doesn't squeeze it. He doesn't squeeze it. But which is that what you're going with? No squeezing?

790
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:59,600
No squeezing. He doesn't break the no squeezing rule. It's no bright lights. I'm afraid buddy.

791
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:04,080
No bright lights. You ready? In the howling. That's what I've actually seen. If I've seen them,

792
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:08,640
yeah, I get them wrong. Have you ever seen, okay. Have you ever seen Friday the 13th?

793
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:14,240
No. Fuck you. Have you ever seen the howling? No. All right. Well, good. You probably get both of

794
00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:18,240
these right then. In the howling, Karen White loses her memory and is sent on vacation after

795
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what traumatic event is she, is it after being bitten? Is it after meeting Eddie brackets a

796
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:33,120
werewolf? Is it her husband cheating or is it losing her job? Losing her job. Unfortunately,

797
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:38,720
it's meeting Eddie a werewolf. And then last but not least, and buddy, I'm not going to put too

798
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much pressure on this one. This is my favorite franchise. This is one of my favorite franchises

799
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:49,520
of all times. So if you get this wrong, friendship over. All right. Lastly, in Friday the 13th,

800
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:55,840
Mrs. Voorhees reveals herself to, uh, lastly in Friday the 13th, Mrs. Voorhees reveals herself

801
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through a monologue towards the end of the film. What does she reveal about the significance of

802
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:07,920
the date and how it relates to Jason? Is it his birthday? It's an unlucky day. Is it her birthday

803
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:17,280
or 13 is Jason's favorite number? Uh, I'm going to say 13 is Jason's favorite number because it's

804
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:24,560
his birthday. Oh, can't, but also I'll take the second bit. It is his birthday. It is his birthday.

805
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:28,560
Yes, that is it. All right. Well, I think friendship saved on that one. I'm looking chalk that one up

806
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to a win. You only got a couple wrong, but the couple that you got wrong were the easiest ones.

807
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:36,960
And the ones you got right were the ones where I was like, so go fuck yourself. I guess.

808
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:43,040
Congratulations. Nice, nice, nice, nice, nice. We, uh, we got time for comment corner. We've got,

809
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,720
I think we've just got time for comment corner. Yeah. I've, I've only got a brief. I've got a

810
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:51,040
brief one. You give me your brief one. Cause I've got two absolute belters this week and they're

811
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both fucking gorgeous. Give me, give me your belter and then I'll, I'll do a brief one in the middle.

812
00:58:55,760 --> 00:59:00,480
All right. So we'll do a belter sandwich. Belter sandwich. The first one's from Mika Ha Ha.

813
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He messaged us and said, Hey, have either of you ever seen under the silver lake? I still haven't

814
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:10,400
had a chance to check it out yet, buddy. Apologies. I think that movie is criminally underrated and I

815
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don't use this term often brackets. The exception being Nolan, but I think David Robert Mitchell is

816
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:20,160
an absolute genius. I think if you two reviewed this film, it would give you loads to talk about.

817
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:24,240
Great suggestion. Appreciate it. Thank you very much. He then goes on to say also

818
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:29,360
would love for you guys to extend your podcast episodes into an hour and a half. I'm just saying

819
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:34,080
your podcast has saved me from my mental unhealth recently. It's so enjoyable. I've been on a,

820
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:38,080
I've been on a tear whilst I work. So thank you both for getting me through this tough time.

821
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:43,360
You really don't know what it means to me. And I read that. What's her name? Uh, that was,

822
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:51,360
that was Mika Mika. Ha ha. He is Mika. Ha ha. Okay. So Mika, ha ha. Go fuck yourself. Go fuck

823
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:56,640
yourself. All right. Didn't expect, I didn't, didn't, didn't expect this to go this way, but

824
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:05,200
I have long wanted to extend the show. I thoroughly, thoroughly enjoy hanging out with my mate, Ben.

825
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:09,360
The record is the best is the highlight of my week. I love recording, right? If I could record

826
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:16,080
for two hours with Ben, I would. The fact that listening to him and I chat about our problems

827
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:20,960
and how the movie of the week has helped us or given us some insight, hearing that that,

828
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:26,320
which is very much a thing we do for us helps other people is genuinely one of the most meaningful

829
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:32,480
interactions I have going on in my life. The fact that it's helped you is it really does mean a lot.

830
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:37,600
And I am really so grateful for you listening. We used to do a 40 minute show and I used to be able

831
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:45,760
to edit the show from records into a ready to go show in about 10 hours. We went up to an hour.

832
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:53,520
It takes about 18. Go to a two hour mate. I would kill myself within a week. You asking for a longer

833
01:00:53,520 --> 01:01:01,200
show is a direct attack on my wellbeing. And you are not forgiven. No, all jokes aside, buddy. Thank

834
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:05,840
you so much for getting in touch. It does mean the world. We would also love a longer show until

835
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:11,600
we find some way of making this make any sort of income for us. We're just at max capacity.

836
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:15,760
I think we could stop turning down sponsorships for a start. You know what I mean? We could probably

837
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:21,120
start doing them. The second somebody asks us to cover a half decent film and isn't a sex predator,

838
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:25,120
yeah, we'll be fine. Yeah, I agree. We had Studio Canal. That was great. Studio Canal was great.

839
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:30,000
Yeah, that was good. Everyone else has been like, have you seen this random bit of footage that I've

840
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:35,920
snipped together over some indie songs or have you seen this known predator that we've tried to

841
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:40,240
Alan Smithy off the credits? Yeah, it is a lot like that. I also feel like Studio Canal would have

842
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:43,920
worked with some more if they were like, here's our catalog, pick a film. And we picked the one

843
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:50,080
Vietnam War movie and I spent an hour crying in the episode. You know what I mean? That was essentially,

844
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:55,840
I think we shit the bed on that one mate to be honest. If you want to hear the failed sponsorship

845
01:01:55,840 --> 01:02:03,120
attempts, go to our Discord, join up. There is a full bonus video review of a movie that we were

846
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:08,080
asked to sponsor and on review we realized we couldn't release because it would be the end of

847
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:12,160
the podcast. Yeah, we would have been like sued into the ground. It's fine though. It's fine.

848
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:17,280
I've got a comment here on one of our little reels that we did about, for those of you listening that

849
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:24,000
don't follow us on socials, Ben and I both watched the Scarecrow scene with Mia Gothenet and we both

850
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:30,000
had very different reactions. Mine was to dress up as a scarecrow and stand in a field. And mine was

851
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:35,840
to go and fuck a scarecrow in a field. That was implied. I don't know how heavily you committed

852
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:41,040
to the bit. Nah, this is all implied mate. You know what I mean? Right, nice. Yeah, yeah. Classy,

853
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:47,520
classy. I kept it clean. It's a classy joke about fucking a scarecrow. Mine was just me standing in

854
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:52,640
a field dressed as a scarecrow. I worked quite hard on my costume. And then Lady Birdie 1983 got

855
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:59,760
in touch and just went, had a feeling you were outstanding in your field. Amazing. I fucking love,

856
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:04,080
I love her so much. Much like the previous comment, it made me furious. Yeah, fair. I was really

857
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:11,440
annoyed that I hadn't thought of that and put that in the reel. One absolute star. I fucking love her to pieces.

858
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:20,320
Okay, I have, I have another one here from, I can't say your surname buddy. So I'm just going to call

859
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:28,080
you Wayne. I'm going to attempt it. I'm going to attempt it. It's Wayne Pesaila. The P might be silent.

860
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:31,360
Okay with that? Yeah. I mean, buddy, I love you and this message is gorgeous. Thank you so much.

861
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:35,360
But your, your name is a fucking nightmare. I'm dyslexic as shit. I'm just going to put that one

862
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:41,840
out there. All right. I love you. Name's a nightmare. Wayne got in touch and said, listen to your pod for

863
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:46,720
the first time. The Alien 3 one. Love the passion, love the insight. And then in brackets, even though

864
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:54,560
I pretty much knew most of it. All right, buddy. All right. All right. We try. All right. Not everyone's seen

865
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:59,280
the film before. We've got to see a good introduction. But then he, he went, you want to say, I disagree with your

866
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:04,640
views, but that's art for you. Also absolutely love how you guys got so candid and open about your mental

867
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:09,120
health. Thank you. I've volunteered for a men's mental health org here in Australia for the past

868
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:12,960
five years. He's put in brackets, the, the organization that he volunteers for and it's the

869
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:19,200
mail hug on Instagram. Go and check it out. Great group. Nice. What you two are doing is bang on the

870
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:24,880
money, keep it up and look after yourselves. By the way, Alien 3 is a fucking masterpiece, especially

871
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:30,080
after the utter shit storm during production. So there's one for you, buddy, because that's incredible.

872
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:36,320
There you go. Singing from your sheet. What I love most about that. I disagree, but that's art for you.

873
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:41,680
Exactly. What would, if that's not, if that's not what we're trying to get across with every episode.

874
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:46,000
I'm gonna fucking hour on that from this, from this film right here. You know what I mean?

875
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:52,480
Here's why I passionately hate this film does not mean you're wrong to enjoy it. Exactly dude,

876
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:58,240
Wayne, you fucking get it. I love you wholeheartedly. Also thank you so fucking much for getting in touch.

877
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:04,000
You're an absolute diamond. Great job with the mail hug. We love you and support you wholeheartedly.

878
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:08,160
That was comment corner. If you want to get involved, you know what to do. Find us on Instagram,

879
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:14,880
TikTok, Discord, Facebook, I can anywhere, send us a send us an email. Every movie ever UK at gmail.com.

880
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:20,720
Do it right now. Look, just type out an email, Ben Robb, cunts send. That'll be fucking hilarious.

881
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:25,520
Probably read that out. That's next week's comment corner. Get it sent right now. Make our fucking week.

882
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:31,600
Until then, unfortunately, we are vastly over time. I'm sorry. So no, it's been a busy episode.

883
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:37,360
And it's been fantastic. It's been lovely. And I've loved every second of it, as I do every week.

884
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:41,040
Oh, me too. But we are sadly out of time. What are you rating Maxine before we get to the outro?

885
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:46,800
Because I can feel the outro coming. Eight. Eight. Okay. Wow. That's way more than I thought it was going to be.

886
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:52,240
It's a perfectly tile bathroom with one cocky tile that I'm just going to look at forever and go,

887
01:05:55,360 --> 01:06:00,240
pisses me right off. It gets me angry, but it's a brilliantly made film that fucks it at the end.

888
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:04,080
All right. That's fair. I'm going to rate it an eight because it's a perfectly tile bathroom with

889
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:07,680
one fucking title at the end. And I'm like, God, I love the guy who put that there. He could have

890
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:12,320
made it perfect, but chose to do just chose violence. And I love that. You know what I mean?

891
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So it's an eight for me as well. Amazing. So thank you for your time with us, especially at the start

892
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:21,600
of the week. An hour isn't a short amount of time to spend with us, regardless of what some

893
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:29,840
scheming little bastards might say. I love you really buddy. I'm just going to cosplay as society.

894
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:40,720
I'm going to cosplay as society while Ben gives you a little motivational pep talk.

895
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:47,200
Ben has an emphysema attack. What the fuck is this? Jesus Christ. Sorry. What were you saying?

896
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,640
Oh, I was just saying Godzoo.

897
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:55,840
Now listen, we can take tons of things from Ty West's X trilogy and to wrap it out,

898
01:06:55,840 --> 01:07:00,800
I think the main important lesson that we can take is just keep fucking following your dreams.

899
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:04,640
It doesn't matter if your past is coming around to haunt you. You can deal with it. Do you know

900
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:08,960
what I mean? You can shoot your dad in the face with a double barreled sawed off shotgun. You can

901
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:14,560
do it. The police saw her do it. She still fucking went on to be a star. We could do the same. Fuck

902
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:26,960
it. You know what I mean? I think the message is fuck you dad.