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Hello everyone, it's Ben here. Just to let you know, I know it's been quiet on YouTube.

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Listen, we're trying. We're getting there. We're two 35 year old mentally unwell men,

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all right? We're fucking trying! Stop having a go.

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But anyway, we have a brand new YouTube video. It is the directorial debut deathmatch!

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It's a lot of fun. Head over to our YouTube channel right now. Link is in the bio. We

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fucking love you. Apologies for the shambles of the episode. I tried, okay? Research!

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Hello everyone and welcome to the Every Movie Ever Podcast. My name is Ben Groves.

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And my name is Rob McFarlane. Welcome to the show, a movie podcast slash mental health check in for

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two broken brained best friends talking around their problems, around, but not about their problems.

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Not yet. So to recognise that fact, Ben, before I get to what we're doing, before you get to

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what we're doing, let's both get to how are you doing? The most important bit of our show.

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Oh, thanks. I mean, it's not, but you know, it's good that we say that.

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There are movie facts coming. New listeners, don't worry.

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Yeah, yeah. I'm doing good, man. I had my first experience in IMAX 3D. That was a new one for me.

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It's awful. It's the fucking worst. Holy shit. It's like plugging your eyeballs directly into

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the mains grid. It's just too much. Buddy, it's like watching a film on a tiny screen,

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but also that tiny screen is fucking massive. It's the most confusing thing. I wear glasses as well,

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so I had to wear glasses over glasses. I was a six-eyed dickhead sitting three rows in from

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the screen. It was horrendous. It's what I imagine watching porn in VR is like, you know what I mean?

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OK, yeah, it's not. OK, well, we'll move the analogy. I found it like you've already got there,

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but someone's still rubbing the tip. Yes, it was great, but it's too much.

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That's exactly what it is. Too much. In other unrelated news, I now own a MetaQuest 2.

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I don't. I'm too poor. How are you, buddy? Similarly poor, still poor. Just got paid.

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Really poor. Oh, same. Yeah, it's payday yesterday. I'm already brassic.

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But that's fine. That's fine. I'm doing all right. My mentals are at that point where nothing is

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wrong. Nothing has changed. I am neither good nor bad. I am just making sure the standby light is on

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and that I answer when people say my name. OK, this brings me to an interesting conversation

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I had the other day with Adam Smart. We were discussing this exact thing. I was like,

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I was aiming for beige days. Yeah. Remember when I said this a while ago, I was aiming for

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middle road. Yeah, a couple of weeks ago, you're aiming for beige. I wasn't, you know,

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not living up high constantly. Teacups, not roller coaster. Exactly. Right. I feel like I've got there

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and I was like, I'm not sad. I'm not ecstatic. I'm not live, laugh, love, but I'm also not crying,

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eating Ben and Jerry's. Right. Yeah. So we've we've coined the term live mid. Live mid. Live

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mid. It works on every occasion. Saying goodbye to your mates that are a little bit down. Live

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mid, bro. Yeah. Something happens that you're like, well, I don't really have a reaction to this.

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I don't know if I'd class what I'm doing as living. I exist mid. Exist mid. Oh, that's a fucking

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t-shirt right there. That is, bud. You know. Hold on. Let me just pop this in my notes real quick.

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I feel like in everything, everywhere, all at once where she moves to the dimension where life

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didn't happen, she's just a stone. Yes. Yeah. I'm a stone. Isn't that the backdrop on your

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computer? It was for a while. I've changed it to a little blue robot. What are we doing today, Ben?

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Today, buddy, we're back in our Thai West X trilogy in celebration of Maxine being released.

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We are at film number two. We are. And which was for the first time, I don't know what's coming

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next because I have yet to get to the cinema. Okay. This fills me with joy because I've already

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written half of the Maxine episode and I cannot fucking wait for you to see this. So we're going

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to be getting into Pearl. It's the second film in the trilogy. It was released six months after X.

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Complete surprise. Thai West literally fucking flexed his bulbous filmmaking muscles. Oh yeah.

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Here's X. It's one of the best horror films in decades. Also, here's another. Yeah. We just,

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we discussed this last episode, just casually releasing two films in one year, shooting the

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prequel to your own film before it's come out is a ballsy move. That's a cash out. That's a cash

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out move. Yeah. Yeah. That is, that is, that is naming your baby before you've got her number.

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Guilty as charged on a couple of occasions there, buddy. Uh, spoiler. It was Roderick. Right. Okay.

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Best not to say guilty as charged on a couple of occasions when talking about meeting women.

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Yeah. Blind single now. I don't know what I'm doing. I'm just existing. I'm existing.

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Yeah. What's up? What's up? So today we're going to be getting into the origin story of X's titular

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vision. Vision. Fuck. I just had a stroke. Today we're going to be getting into the origin story

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of X's titular villain. Pearl. What happened to her to cause such murderous mayhem in later life?

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Why was Pearl made at the same time as X? Is this the best period drama of all time?

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Fucking is. I'm going to prove that. No, that's Carrie. I'm going to go. Oh, well it's about,

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Oh, fuck you. Oh, fuck you. How did the, I started reassessing the film in my brain. I was like,

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is it a period drama? Could it really be a period? No, she gets a fucking period.

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Fuck you. How did the first world war influence cinema and how is this reflected in pearl back

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on track? Nature versus nurture and which one fucked up our dearest pearl? And most importantly,

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who is Mia Goth? Who the fuck is Mia Goth? I mean, genuinely I've asked you to answer that question

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because I've just got questions and I'm like, I could research it. I could just get Ben to do it.

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It's the fun thing to do in it. Outsourcing me. Yeah. So I learned that from Steve Jobs.

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Oh, okay. There you go. I learned it from every interaction I have in my life. Like, oh Rob,

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my camera's not working. It could be easy for me to research it, but it's far more fun to message

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you panicking. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Came out in 2022. Did it? So just after X. Came out in 2022, six months after X. Well,

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it came out six months after X in the US. Right. And then the UK, we had to wait a full fucking

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year. Yeah. I remember this because I remember you griping about it. We were podcasting at this

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point. We started podcasting in 2022 and you were like, let's cover Wheel and the Haunted Radiator

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and Pearl. And I'm like, all right. And the microwave massacre. Okay. Whatever they were.

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Thank you. And I'm like, yeah, man, they sound like they've got broad appeal and they'll really

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help us do well on socials. And you're like, oh, but Pearl's not coming out for a year. And I'm

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like, well, that bodes fucking well, doesn't it? But I didn't know it was a year. I was desperate

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for it to come out. There was rumors everywhere and there was rumors that there were torrents

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online. There fucking wasn't. And for nine months, I remember whinging at you being so like, buddy,

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I still haven't fucking seen Pearl. And the American people that are tweeting and fucking

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talking about Pearl. I'm like, I can't, I can't do it. There's only so many people that I can delete

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on social media before word just a baron goes down. We're not following anyone because they've

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mentioned Pearl at some point and I'm too immature to accept it. There was a long wait to see it.

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I get it. It was like Trump's here. It'd be fine. We're mostly UK. Yeah, it's fine. That joke won't

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land. It'll just skim. You know what I mean? So the film, it's been a week, mate. It's not too

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soon anymore. Oh yeah. Fine. Get over it. You know what I mean? Also, it's not like he's listening.

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He's only got one ear. Oh, also just a slight tangent here. I mean, this episode is already

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a shambles, so why not throw more fuel on the fire? Exactly. Fuck it. Burn it. Say what you like

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about deaf people. Cause we now do transcripts available on all the episodes. The podcast

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distributor that we use allows us to do transcripts. So Ben, I'll go in and edit that last bit,

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but no more jokes about the deaf here. Cause it's been a running theme for far too long.

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Okay. If you edit the transcript to make it out, like I'm making the deaf joke in that one.

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Ben, that would be, that would be the work of seconds and hilarious. How dare you assume that

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I would do that? How dare you assume that I have the three minutes available to do that?

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That I've already obviously pre-planned out. Okay. That's fine. That's fine. That's fine.

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Transcripts you say I'll figure that one out. I'll message you at two in the morning. Rob,

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how did transcripts work? The script with its own pronouns. Oh, okay. So Pearl cost

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$8 million to make, which is a fuckload more than X had. What the fuck? Eight times as much,

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but to be exact, but X hadn't come out. So like what financials were they basing this on? Just

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imaginary numbers. Oh, so this is going to be an interesting one. Cause I have done some fucking

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research for this one, mate. No, you haven't. Yes, I fucking have. I'm going to get into it

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in a little bit. If you've gone deep, have you gone into a rabbit hole? But did you Charlie Day it

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with the eyeliner and the red string? Yeah. This episode is going to have to be better because I'm

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not going to lie. I've written an essay and there was no way for me to turn this into a conversational

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piece because it's okay. I've been looking in encyclopedias. I've actually done like

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25 hours worth of research. I did it for you. Encyclopedias. Yes, mate. It's a fucking history.

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Are you an encyclopedia file? September 11th roll on. Let's get these fucking dad jokes snipped out

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with the bollocks. A new listeners I'm getting of a sex bill on September the 11th. Ben's not being

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incredibly racist towards Americans. Oh yeah. I should probably explain that. That's not just a

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hate crime. It was a very funny observation on Rob's poor choice of the sex to me date.

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Apologies. Let's get serious, Ben, because we're burning time and I sense that you've got a lot

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going on. We need to get there fast because there is very little time. Very little time. We've got

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quite a long breakdown as well, mainly because you thought you were writing one this week and

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I thought... Oh, I did write one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You did. So I'll read that. But why don't...

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You've written one. Why don't you hit play on the little soundscape? Remember last week?

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Lovely little soundscape. Mate. Okay. I'm... Okay. Last week, last time it took me by surprise.

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This time I'm prepped. I've been practicing my rapping. Oh, right. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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I've been singing along to Gambino's new album. Like I'm a fucking absolute G. Have you been

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saying neighbor or ninja on all the N words? Neighbor. Good. It's better, isn't it? Neighbor's

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my go-to. Yeah. I'm Mr. Rogers all the way. It's been really hot. Yeah. Yeah. It's been really hot. So I've

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got my windows down. I can't be... You know what I mean? Right. Here's the jingle.

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Ben, wrap us away, babe. All right, mate.

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I've been living words of ecstasy...

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Pearl in 18. Farm life's the scene. Dreaming big dreams. Wants to be seen. Mama's strict.

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Daddy's sick. Life's a load. A pearl's got goals. Wants to hit the road.

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Nelly met a guy. Sees a grand plan. Hollywood dreams. Gotta take a stand.

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darkness creeps, twists her mind. Innocence lost, peace left behind.

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After the turmoil of World War I and amidst the Spanish flu pandemic, young Pearl is stuck on a

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desolate Texas farm with her overbearing mother Ruth and her paralyzed father. Pearl dreams of

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a glamorous life as a dancer or a movie star far removed from the drudgery and isolation of her

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current existence. She often sneaks away to the local movie theater where she befriends a charming

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projectionist, played by a man who plays Superman, who encourages her dreams. Meanwhile, her husband

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Howard is away fighting in a war. Pearl's yearning for freedom and her oppressive home life set the

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stage for her growing desperation. Back to MC Dizzle.

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Mama's control keeps... oh wait wait wait... two, three, four... Mama's control keeps the land

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bound. Pearl's fire burns, can't keep it down. Death and desire twist and dance. T West's Pearl

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takes her chance. Blood on her hands, reaching high. Horror story, touch the sky, ambition deadly,

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fame's twist, Pearl's late, she don't miss. F***ing DMX towards the end there,

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bud. It's good. Next time, give it to your buddy.

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Pearl's friendship with the projectionist gives her a tantalizing glimpse into the world of

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cinema and pornography, further distorting her perception of reality. Fueled by these fantasies,

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she auditions for a dance troupe at the local church, seeing it as her escape route. However,

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her dreams are shattered when she is rejected, pushing her fragile psyche closer to the edge.

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And I'm about to break. As tensions escalate at home, Pearl's relationship with her mother

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deteriorates into a violent confrontation. Pearl's frustration, resentment and delusions

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intensify, leading to a series of gruesome acts as she struggles to break free from her

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stifling life. Ben, take a s- Tale of Pearl. Dreams collide. Twisted world. Secrets hide. T West's

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scene. Horror. Desire. Pearl's fame. Set screen on fire. Pearl's mental state spirals out of control,

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culminating in a brutal confrontation where she kills her mother in a fit of rage. The projectionist,

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realizing the danger Pearl poses, tries to distance himself but also falls victim to her growing

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madness. Pearl's husband Howard returns from the war to find the aftermath of her rampage.

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Confronted with the horrifying reality of Pearl's actions, he's left to deal with the shattered

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remains of their life. The film ends on a haunting note, with Pearl completely consumed by her

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delusions, setting the stage for the events that unfold in X Gon' Give It To Ya, X Gon' Give It To

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Ya, X Gon' Give It To Ya. Buddy, I'm so fucking happy that we wrote two breakdowns this week

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because not only is that going to be a fucking nightmare to listen to, you're welcome by the

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way, dear listener. I feel like my rap career is just getting started, you know what I mean?

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Honestly, I can see it blossoming. I've worked with worse.

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Mate, that's a fucking compliment because I know the people that you've worked with.

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I mean, to be fair, I did a fair bit of Kidz Bop and that was difficult. Yeah, but I bet it was

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fire, full of the riz. I don't know slang terms. I mean, you used it correctly, but if I was to

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riz a child, that would be illegal, Ben. Yeah, yeah. Fair point. It wasn't doing much.

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All right, so back to the show. So back to the show, buddy. This is going to be one of those

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shows where I have come up with a point with you in mind. This is the trilogy where I was like,

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X is my film, Pearl is your film because you're into fucking period dramas and bullshit.

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Don't say Maxine is both our films because I've not seen it yet and if you tell me I'll enjoy it,

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I'll go fucking won't now. All right, then Maxine is a mystery. How about that?

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Great, happy. Because I listened to Block Party last year. I was like, yeah, they are quite good.

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Fuck you. I was in love with them for my entire life at uni. Okay, that's fine.

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I'll get around to poly six eventually. Fuck you. They're incredible.

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They're, oh, that's made me angry. So I'm going to argue in this episode that not only is Pearl

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one of the best horror movies of the twenties to date, but I'm also going to argue that this is

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one of the all time great period dramas. With Carrie.

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I'll lock up there with Carrie. Carrie at number two. Okay. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great.

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Great. Okay. Yep. So T West he's fucking insane at filmmaking. He has this incredible ability

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to make his films like effortless, effortless. Oh my God. I can't fucking talk. What is wrong

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with tongue? So Ty West has this insane ability to make his films efforts.

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I'm going to kill myself. I'm going to do it. I can't fucking say this word.

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Ty West has this insane ability to make his films effortlessly portray the cinema that is influences

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his characters at that time. Right? So the period that they're set in what's happening in cinema

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is affecting his characters in his film. It's meta as fuck, but it's done in such a subtle way

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that unless someone points it out to you or you sit and you really think about it, you're like,

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Oh my God. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He, he pure penny penny dropping moment. Right. He really,

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really like commits to the era that he's portraying and uses the stereotypes and the signifiers of the

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era that he's portraying in the movie. A thousand percent X was like, you know, it opened with that

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four, three frame and everything looked blurry and like sepia, but like, uh, this one, wizard of

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ours, primary colors, the soundtrack on this is incredible. And it's so like evocative of that,

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like exactly era of cinema. It's beautiful, beautifully, beautifully. X does do that. And he

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does it fucking beautifully. But what it's done with Pearl is in Pearl, it's reflecting the influence

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of the first world war on how that affected cinema at the time. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right.

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This is the history lesson, Rob. Are you ready for this? This is where the fucking hours of research

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come into this. You ready? You ready to take a trip with, with all Papa? I am indeed. Yeah. All

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right. My voice is fucked from rapping by the way. X gone give it to you. It's fucked my throat.

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X can give it to you. Laryngitis is what he wrote that song about. Yeah. That's what he meant. Yeah.

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Saw throat bit of a tickle. You know what I mean? So this fucking, this technical nightmare,

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Rob, I'm dying. I'm actually dying. I don't know what's happening. I'm so sorry about this. I know

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this is future Rob in the edit. I'm so sorry. This technical nightmare, fuel fever dream of a period

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drama is Ty West flexing his fucking already impressive filmmaking muscles. Right? Yeah. X

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being set in the seventies, the movie is dripping with seventies charisma. It fucking looks it,

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it feels it, it sounds it, but most importantly, it fucking acts like a seventies movie should.

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Yeah. It really does. Very subtle. There's plenty of room to breathe heavily leans into the genre.

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You know, the VHS boom was happening. This is a small independent film crew trying to cash in on

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that moment. Right. Pearl does exactly the fucking same with its 1918 ish reflection of cinema. Right.

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The insane childish over the top technical primary colors. Everything is very sort of like basic,

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basic, standard, standard, totally, totally, totally the continuous complimentary soundtrack

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and the constant is this low brow carnival nonsense or is it fine art? Let me explain.

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Right. There's a fair bit of that. There is a fair bit of that. Yeah. I've got, I've got feelings.

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I've got feelings on the matter. Okay. I'm going to address these feelings, but what I want to do

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is I want to paint the picture of cinema in 1918. I want to go, I want to take this is, this is not

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you buddy. What the fuck? This is not me. I'm doing this to impress you. I mean, it's working

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for you. It's working. This is just the tip. Wait until you see the shaft. It's hairy. Mildly.

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Oh, hairier than the balls. That wasn't horrendously true. Pearl is the perfect reflection

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of the era that it's set in. Right. 1918 is a different world of early cinema and the first

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world war has obviously had a massive impact on this, but in more ways than you might think.

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Also, if this sounds like I'm reading, I am. It's my essay. Fuck you. Enjoy it. Enjoy my research.

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I couldn't turn this into a conversation. Just let me be. Okay. All right. Okay. I was gonna point out.

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I'm curious to hear the research. This is a good development. Okay. So it helped the social

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acceptance of cinema going partly down to the medium becoming the quickest way to sway public

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support with of the war through propaganda and newsreels being shown in theaters. Right. So that

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now is a broader appeal because people, you didn't have news back then. You didn't have like

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fucking constant updates. You had to go places to get the fucking news fed to you.

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Hence theaters, but also removed the working class stigma that cinema had gained over the years

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during its fairground and carnival circuit days. Yeah. It was a little sideshow attraction, right?

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It wasn't art. It was. Yeah. It was like, you wouldn't go to a refined evening with your nice

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clothes on to watch clowns. Exactly. So this is where we're going to take a step back further

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in time. Rob, you thought we're in 1918. Fucking sausage. We're going back. Right. You're going

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back to 1914. Right. Come with me. Step in. Yeah. So pre-war cinema was confined to small venues,

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like music halls, uh, before it was taken out on the road to like fairgrounds and carnivals

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before finding its roots in like big purpose-built theaters. Right. And you're reminding the listener

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of this, right? Because I definitely didn't tell you all this during the chaplain series that we

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did like two months ago. I'm just, this is all for the listener. You're all for the listener.

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You, this is, this is, yeah, it's implied. It's implied that you know this too. Cause I told you,

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yeah, of course. This is where my research came. I just listened to one episode of you telling me

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this exact stuff. I've gone deeper. I found an encyclopedia of the war and it had a bit about

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cinema in it. So enjoy this. Ready? By 1914, the U S had 10,000 permanent cinemas. The biggest of

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which being the Mark Strand theater in New York city, which had almost 3000 seats in one cinema.

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That's fucking mental to me. That's, I can't remember the last film that I went to with more

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than 60 people in it. Right. And that was a nightmare because it was far too busy. Can

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you imagine going to a film that you're desperate to see June part three? Yeah. Right. Oh,

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3000 fuckers are there and you're like, I cannot hear a fucking thing. No. Cause guess what?

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Amplification shit in 1914. Yeah. Cause you're all sitting into like an acoustic dome. So you

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have to sit 49 fucking feet away from anything to be able to hear it. But also now you're,

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where's my little binoculars? You know what I mean? Where's my little, my, where's my little peepers?

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So almost 3000 seats in that one theater. That's fucking disgusting. The UK had 5,000 permanent

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cinemas offering a total seating capacity in the country of over 4 million. Right. Okay. Pretty

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impressive. That's pretty impressive. One second. I just got to do some quick maths, bro. Don't

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fucking fact check me on this one. No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm dividing how many, so 4 million seats

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in total. How many cinemas in total? 5,000. An average of 800 seats per cinema. That's not that bad.

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But it's the UK. So you can guarantee that the majority of them had 12 and then one in London

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had 3 million. Yeah. There was a fair whack in London that had like thousands and then small towns

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would be sort of like, here's four chairs. Yeah. Yeah. They're deck chairs. And also the screen has

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a side of my van. Enjoy. But the thing that blew my mind in this whole fucking encyclopedia that

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I was looking at is, you know, pre-war Russia's been painted out to be this sort of like, it's all

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gray and rainy and everyone eats nothing but potatoes. And it's so impoverished in this

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out of rah rah rah. You know what I mean? Like the weird stigma that was put out there. Um, even in

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Russia, I'll agree with you for the sake of your essay and just cringe internally. Yep. Yes. Yeah.

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That's fine. Bolsheviks weren't a thing. That's fine. It's been a hundred years. You know, I mean,

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we can, we can say that people have seen Anastasia, right? No, obviously not. But we can say that

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people back in 1940 were racist. It's fine. Yes. Yeah. Okay. I'm with you. I'm with you. Even Russia

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had 200 permanent cinemas in just St. Petersburg and Moscow. Yeah. Cause they were minted. That

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blew my fucking mind. Why do you think they had a revolution? But I didn't know that. I didn't know

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this. They're Maristocrats are being mad fair. Let's not invent communism. You've known me for

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18 years now. At what point did you go, yeah, Ben probably understands what people thought about

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Russia in 1914. What the fuck have I ever said in that vein ever? No, obviously I'm going to go for

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the cheapest, cheesiest TV show. That is true. That is true. Yeah. That's probably, I like, I like,

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I like your encyclopedic file phase. Thanks. This is good. I'm leaning into it. Yeah. I'm leaning into it.

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So film was a hugely popular source of entertainment, but it also carried a reputation

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of being working class, a lowbrow medium. And it was kind of held in contempt by the fine art

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connoisseurs. So me and you back in 1940, mate, you'd have been nonce enough at the fucking opera

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and I had been sitting in the back of the opera, walking off to the, to the opera.

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Okay. And I'd have been, I'd have been mincing my way into a little fucking slapstick comedy show.

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Do you know what I mean? With three people were possibly masturbating, but it's too dark to see.

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Yeah. Yeah. Because comedy and burlesque and music hall, you get all the cool ones.

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Cause I obviously you've got no prize of enjoying burlesque or comedy or music or music. No, no,

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no. That's, that's your thing. That's live show. I'm on about film specifically. I'm not going to

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watch a burlesque show. Fuck off. What are you talking about? Mate, you're missing out. Dead

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eyed heroin addicts being like, look at my almost tits. Now I'm good. Go on. Just it's 1914's answer

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to only fans. All right. I've got the encyclopedia. Rob, I know what I'm talking about. Research.

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Okay. So speaking of now that we know that Russia wasn't as bad as everyone said it was right.

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Right. Nicholas the second emperor of Russia wrote in 1913. I'm going to do the accent. I'm

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not going to do it. Actually. No man. Slava. Ukraine. Do it. Okay. I consider the sun. No,

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I can't do it. It's fine. No buddy. This racism is helping win a war in Eastern Europe. Okay.

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So it's fine. The Ukrainian people need you. They need you. But any deaf person or hard of hearing

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that is reading the transcript and saw the earlier edit, saw the earlier edit. Just know that that's

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where it came from. All right. You keep the words speak louder than just saying it's going into a

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permanent record now, Ben. And you called, you said I was noncing off at the opera, which implies

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the existence of a brilliant and Lloyd Webber musical, the nonce of the opera. Oh God. Could

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you imagine where he wears a full mask? I'd watch that. That's the thing. I'd watch it. That'd be

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hilarious. What kind's written. Yeah. It'd be sung from children, but they're also in the wall.

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I am the demon of music. That's a joke for people who've seen Phantom of the Opera. I didn't get it.

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Did you let us know on discord, join us now where you can get more Phantom of the Opera humor and

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Ben missing all of it. Fantastic. Nicholas the second emperor of Russia wrote in 1913. I considered

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that cinema is an empty, totally useless and even harmful form of entertainment. Only an abnormal

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person could place this farcical business on par with art. And then buddy, it's not just the Russian

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side. Oh, fucking side too. Ready for this one. CFG mastermind, cunt. No, not cunt. Sorry. CFG

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mastermind legend. Right. The fella in charge of the British propaganda during the first world war

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suggested that film should be included in the media use for propaganda to the board of the film

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sensors to which the secretary Joseph Brook Wilkinson. This one's the cunt. I misread my own fucking essay

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right. Said what has the country really come to this cunt? Yeah. Anyway, we will swiftly move on.

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Now we're, we're in the war, Rob. We're in the war now during the war. Cinemas we used to show

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propaganda films, newsreels as a way to whip the audience into support in the war. Right.

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Documentary films were made about the war and life on the battlefield came through and many

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dramatizations were pushed out. But buddy, these proved to be difficult weapons to wield.

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The materials could just as easily be prompt anti, the materials could just as easily prompt

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anti-war sentiment after seeing what is truly happening to friends and families was fighting

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for their country. Who'd have seen this one? I know. And I fact check this because I've read

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a bit of the Manchester Guardian when they, when they covered the movie, the battle of,

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the battle of the song. Yes. That's, that's a very important battle. It happened. Okay.

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I mean, get over it. It was ages ago. I've got a fun, I've got a fun, fun fact for you, Ben,

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nothing to do with films. So everyone else can stop listening because this is our specialist

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subject. Enjoy it. Music, music round. Quick, quick little tangent. What have anarchy in the UK

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by the sex pistols and we'll meet again. Don't know where, don't know when. What have they got in common?

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Um, they're both shit. How dare you on both counts. I'm joking. They're both mint. They're both mint.

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And they were both banned from the radio. Sex pistols because sex pistols. Yeah, of course.

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We'll meet again because the war was on and they were like, that's making everyone very sad.

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Oh, so that's not allowed to be played while the war's on because they're going off to Warren. We

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know you're not going to see him again. I would really like to know. I'd love to know what the

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Manchester guardian editorialized about that song. Unfortunately, the only research I've got is what

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the editorialized about the battle of Psalm in which they said the more of the wars trappings

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that are stripped from it, the more will men see its waste, its madness and its cruelty as well as

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its glory. And the more earnestly will, will they cleave to peace. Right. So to bring it back to

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film for you, do you remember when we covered all quiet on the Western front? I do. And the first

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bit of the film is all the old blows going. The glory and the honor of war. Exactly. Yeah. That

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was the public perception. So to show actual footage of it, people were like, that does not

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look very honorable or glorious. Yes. So this is what I'm following. This is where society was

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at. I love encyclopedia Ben. So the state of cinema is a tough one because they need the,

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obviously it's becoming more and more popular and it's working well with propaganda, but the

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films that they're making, the films that are releasing are sort of almost backfiring this way

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anti-war kind of stuff. Right. So people are now leaning into the other form of cinema, which is

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just pure entertainment. So the dancing, the stuff like, obviously the French had started

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fucking on film cause why not France? You know what I mean? Like that's, that's just what happened.

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But with this happening, distribution was getting increasingly difficult. It was mad difficult

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during the war because films made in certain countries would not be screened in enemy, enemy

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territories. And even allied countries would struggle with distribution. So now it's massively

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limiting what's being able to be shown in cinema. Right. Now I'm glad that you're still with me.

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I'm glad that you're enjoying it. More importantly, I can hear the nerd. I fucking heard the knock on

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the desk about four minutes. It's the camera angle. My laptop's just getting higher and higher.

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Pure ceiling right now. Literally all I've got now is top of nose. I mean, I don't even, I can't even

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see your mouth because here's my point. Finally, we're back to Pearl. Right. Lovely. Ty West

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captures all of this within Pearl, his universe building and his trust in the audience to fucking

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be able to put two and two together and be sort of like, right. Okay. So the characters are literally

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so the characters are living in that society. And this is the state of cinema in Pearl's universe.

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In this timeframe, right? Of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's all there and it's fucking

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beautiful. Pearl's from a younger generation. She's infatuated with this new form of entertainment,

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right? All the glitz and the glamour and the fame that comes with it. She sees like, oh my God,

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that's the perfect life. Everyone's lovely. Everyone's happy. Everyone's singing and dancing.

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Oh, it's great. Pearl's husband has gone to war. Howard's gone to war. Right. And there's no

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guarantee that she's ever going to see him again. There's no fucking way of knowing. So she's living

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in that moment. Yeah. Cinema or show business is a ticket out of the isolated small town living

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that feels like a prison sentence with the war and the Spanish flu being two of the meanest

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fucking security guards you've ever did see. Yeah. Rougher than prison guards in S Craig Zala's

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movies. I'm just, I'm just putting that one out there. They're fucking rough. Pearl's mother,

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who's by today's standard holds wildly outdated opinions. Yeah. Outdated is 1918. You know? Yeah.

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Of course. She's massively unsupportive of her daughter's dreams and it's part of the older

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generation. You still view cinema as this weird sideshow waste of time. Yeah. For sure. With

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yourself type shit. Right. Dancing. Generally. It's not a dancing time. She's like, there's a war on,

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there's a pandemic and you're like, I want to go dancing. We've got no farm hands. What are you

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doing? We have no farm hands. They're all dead in the Spanish flu. Yeah. Your dad's in a fucking

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wheelchair. Help feed him. Stop running off to the cinema, sipping morphine. You know what I mean?

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That's essentially where she's at. She's not wrong. She's not wrong. I agree. Not wrong.

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Because you're also of the older generation would be sort of like, I need the opera. See? No, I just

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feel like if there's shit to get done, do the shit then go cinema. Oh yeah. Maybe. Maybe.

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And that makes sense actually. Yeah. I'm with you. I'm with you. All right. I'm there. But the

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Spanish flu in this one, mate, it's such a fucking delicate, fantastic touch to all of this genius.

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It's genius period drama that's unfolding in front of our eyes because it's reflecting what

365
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Ty West and his crew and actors are going through in that moment in order to make that movie. Yeah.

366
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I say this whenever we come across a movie that's

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nigh on perfect for me, I always say the story itself reflects what the filmmakers are going

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through at that time, right? Because it's genuine, it's honest, and it's telling a story that they

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know the most about because they're fucking living it. Yeah. And I can trust in that wholeheartedly.

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It's this, it's this, the fucking everything that comes with it, the restrictions, the fear,

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the fucking uncertainty is insane. Even down to the masks and the social distancing is all there

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in the film to see, but it's so subtle that unless you really pay attention to it, you're just like,

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oh, this was life then. Yeah. So that's all the time we have for this week. Join us for next week.

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I'm so nearly done. I'm so nearly done, dude. Honestly, this is the cram de la cram. Okay.

375
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It's the cram de la cram. Right. Ready? Is this going to be such a let down? No, I've built it up

376
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:54,880
too much. It's you in text versus you in bed. Oh yeah. This is it. This is me talking my game

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and this is my game. You know what I mean? I've been talking for about 20 minutes. That's me

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talking the game. Get ready for the game. Okay. Pearl's view of the people that she sees on screen

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is largely amplified due to her own awful situation. She, she compares herself to these,

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these sort of like on a pedestal dancing, happy people. Yes. Now this brings up the whole nature

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versus nurture discussion, right? Right. Is Pearl fucked up by nature or is Pearl's fuckup

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nurtured within her by the enormous amount of stress of the impossible situation,

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the world is in right now, the world war pandemic, strict paranoid parents, rich, lavish,

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almost carefree in law family that are just darting around, socializing, dropping pigs

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off to people because they're, they're so rich and affluent and happy looking and healthy looking.

386
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Is this Pearl fucked up by nature or is it nurtured within her from her own circumstances?

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Here's the problem I have with this film. I love it. You're right. I think it does an incredible

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job of drawing a parallel between what we tend to do today, which is see celebrities and go,

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wow, that's great. They must not experience pain or have to do work. And I bet the fun that they're

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having on screens is legitimate and authentic. And that's real. That if there's a real place

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where I can just live dancing and happy all the time, cause I can see it on that screen.

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And in her era, it's a cinema screen. And in our era, it's a phone screen. And in her era,

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it's the Spanish flu. And in our era, it's COVID. Brilliant little, little link there.

394
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:39,840
Exactly. Fucking genius.

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Nature versus nurture thing, I think is interesting because throughout the film,

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she's killing animals. She's abusing her dad. She is stealing his medication. She's being

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selfish as fuck towards her mom. She's taking allegory eggs and smashing them in her hand.

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So I think there's some subtle subtext that she might be a little bit unwell.

399
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Definitely. But my question is, is that her fault? Is she that, was she born that way or is it,

400
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or is it the circumstances?

401
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Right. So the current scientific understanding is that you can be born with predispositions,

402
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but they have to be activated by nurture. So some people can never be nurtured into certain

403
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behaviours because they lack the genetic ability. And some people are genetically able to do stuff

404
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that never gets nurtured into their character. I don't think...

405
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:35,520
Wait, what the fuck? Hold on one sec. So the scientific standard, so I could be born

406
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with the genetic predisposition to have fantastic C-cup tits, but it's never been nurtured in me.

407
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In terms of character. So you can have a predisposition...

408
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,160
Well then character wise, I've got some voluptuous Ds. You know what I mean?

409
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:55,520
You do, buddy. You do. You make a jiggle jiggle smile every time.

410
00:37:55,520 --> 00:38:01,520
Oh, the jiggle physics on my character Ds? Insane. You should see. I can't jog. I lose teeth.

411
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Character teeth. All gone.

412
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All gone. So you can be genetically predisposed to be much more likely to commit murder,

413
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but you have to be raised in an environment that activates that genetic ability, right?

414
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Pritzel's basement. Right. Or you can be genetically given longer fingers and a slightly

415
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myopic focus ability, which can help you learn guitar because you're able to get around the

416
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:34,000
fretboard easier and you've got that kind of obsessive nature where someone goes, Oh, Mr.

417
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Hendricks, do you want to come out and get drunk? And it's like, no, I'm going to practice going

418
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for like another nine hours. Right? Yeah. But to be fair though,

419
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,160
worth it. Maybe do nine more. Right. Yeah. 1000% worth it.

420
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:50,480
So I don't think Pearl is evil by nature and I don't think it's her parents' fault. I think the

421
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interesting thing that the film points out is that she's not able to distinguish between the

422
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:02,480
horrific reality that she's being shown in the war footage where they're going, this is real.

423
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:09,760
Okay. And then with no context given, it switches over to a fictional scenario, palace follies.

424
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Right. Look at these people laughing, look at these people dancing, and you're supposed to

425
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:20,160
intuit and know subconsciously that that's a fantasy. Right. Okay. That that's not a real

426
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place. Here's some news, here's some reality. Yeah. And then the screen goes dark and when

427
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:30,240
it comes bright again, this is a fiction. Got you. So on the one hand, she's being shown,

428
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this is normal. This is fine. This kind of violence, this kind of death that happens.

429
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,920
We're just shooting it dispassionately. There's no alarm here. That's fine.

430
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:45,920
And then here's these smiling, laughing, happy people who are perfect. Right. But you should

431
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:50,800
know that's fictional. Yeah. Now most people do. How fucking delicate does the film do this?

432
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:55,920
Right. Really, really gently. Most people know the difference. Pearl doesn't because she's a

433
00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:01,440
little, she's got a spicy brain. Yeah. Does that then place the responsibility for Pearl's actions

434
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on the media? Remember when Oldboy came out and there were loads of people going.

435
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There was. Or someone got killed with a hammer and people are complaining. Or call of duty with

436
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:18,640
the Columbine shooters. And I'm like, should media have to cater to the lowest common denominator?

437
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,320
Cause some nutter out there is going to watch Oldboy and then go grab a hammer.

438
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This is a very interesting point and it brings up one of my favorite quotes of all time. It's

439
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one that I live by and it's one that's got me through the last few years of fucking spicy brain

440
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:36,080
myself. Right. Don't stop believing. It's live, laugh, love. No, it's Red Sky and Night Shepherds

441
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,000
to Life. That's the one. Yeah. She'll be 18 one day. Ah, pre-order it. You know what I mean?

442
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:47,680
Too quick. Yeah. It was horrible. I hated everything about that entire joke sequence.

443
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What I'm saying is my favorite quote that's got me through the last three years of spicy brain

444
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:58,480
is help me being sober. It's helped me get back on my feet. Ish. I'm nearly there. Right. Um,

445
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:05,200
it's that your mental health isn't your fault, but it is your responsibility. Yes. Yes, yes, yes,

446
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:10,240
yes. It's not your fault that you're genetically predisposition to have a spicy brain, but it's

447
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:15,680
your responsibility to make sure that spicy brain be you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. Keep

448
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,920
it fucking smoked paprika. Let's not go cayenne pepper. You know what I mean? Other people are

449
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,600
eating around you. They don't want spicy ice. You fucking hit the nail on the head with this one,

450
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:28,640
man. I don't think that media needs to cater to anyone or anything. I think it should be a

451
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:33,280
complete free rein to say and do what you want. Right. Abu Hamza can just be as popular as he

452
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,440
likes. Whatever the fuck, whatever the fuck appeals to you, appeals to you. If you're a piece of shit

453
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,640
person, you're going to watch all the right wing bullshit. You know what I mean? It's fine. That's

454
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:46,800
fine. But it's not the media's fault that you're allowing it to dictate who you are as a person

455
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or what matters to you. Yes. You know what I mean? And so with the nature versus nurture thing,

456
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I think there are elements within Pearl's life that lead towards her actions, but they do not

457
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:03,680
excuse her actions. Oh God, bud. I fucking love that we're doing this film right now. I have

458
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:11,360
never agreed with you so fucking aggressively in my life. I swear. I just want to fucking hug this

459
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:18,320
out. You know what I mean? Just fucking just bear grip it out. Ty West, man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's,

460
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:23,280
I just, I don't, I don't understand it. I don't understand how it just goes. Well, oh, okay. So

461
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,680
so I'm just going to throw this film together. And then all of a sudden, also it's a complete

462
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:32,480
social breakdown of everything that's going on at every point in history ever. I'm just going to

463
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,280
throw my hand at anything. And do you know what? I'll break it down for you. You ready for this?

464
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,280
Well, he's incredible. I, well, I say he's incredible. He's capable. I think there is

465
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another creative force in this film because this film is a brilliant idea for a film. It is,

466
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:52,960
but you have to have the actors able to do it. Do. I don't think you could do this film with say,

467
00:42:54,160 --> 00:43:00,720
Eddie Murphy in drag as. It'd be a different film. Norbit. It'd be a different,

468
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:05,920
yeah. Or yeah, it would be Norbit too. Right. I suppose given the time period,

469
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:10,160
it would be a very different film anyway, but I was going to, I was going to crack a joke.

470
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:16,880
I didn't feel like I was ready to, but we got there. No, we don't need, but I think

471
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:22,960
a less capable actress, Dakota Johnson could not have made this film. What it is.

472
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,840
You say that, but we've all seen mad Madame Webb. You know what I mean? We've all seen

473
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:35,520
cinematic. I unironically kind of enjoy Madame Webb because it's so bad, but same. Meagoth.

474
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:41,920
I have learned nothing about her. Right. And the things I have learned have made me upset.

475
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:46,240
She's kicking extras in the head currently being sued for that. Well, I don't think we've got time

476
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:54,000
to cover that. She married Shia LaBeouf. She did. She married Shia LaBeouf in 2016 after all of his

477
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,560
many public abuse allegations and convictions. I think she saw it as a challenge. She was like,

478
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:02,720
I'm going to get a platinum trophy on that one, mate. Platinum that one. Oh yeah. When she saw

479
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:07,600
Shia LaBeouf and just went, I think all those other women were just pussies. Yeah. That's exactly

480
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:11,760
what it was. These abuse allegations came out. She went pussies and then immediately started

481
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:16,000
chasing that marriage. And I mean, I think that was the reaction. Cool. They've been married for

482
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,120
fucking years, right? The relationship has been like up and down, up and down. Are they still

483
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:25,920
married? They separated for a bit and then they reconciled and it's still a thing. Oh God.

484
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:32,480
I think. I'm not too clued up. Right. Okay. Where does she come from? Because she's definitely not

485
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:38,560
called Mia Goth. Because it just sounds like a racist interpretation of, it sounds like an

486
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:46,720
Italian Goth explaining their fashion choice. Her name isn't Mia Goth. Her name is actually

487
00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:52,480
Pepper Pig. Mia Gypsy Mello De Silva Goth. Oh my God. What's her actual surname is Goth.

488
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:59,600
Does she have hippie parents? Cause that explains a lot. No, Brazilian and Canadian. Right. Okay.

489
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:04,560
But all of her middle names are like, I'm not going to lie. All of my research time went on

490
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:09,600
the encyclopedia. I've got like six bullet points on Mia Goth to be honest. Way better. Way better.

491
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:15,600
I much preferred the encyclopedia file to, well, come back to Mia Goth. It's fine because I think

492
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,440
she's been in a few bits, right? She's been in a few bits. Nymphomaniac was a first film. Right.

493
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:24,000
Okay. I watched that, but I wasn't really concentrating on the plot. No one's seen the

494
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:30,720
end of that film. It's like, have you ever tried watching porn after you've come? It's disgusting.

495
00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:35,360
It's just that film. I mean, I'm ex cocaine addict, but then yes, I've seen all of Nymphomaniac.

496
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:40,160
You've seen all of porn. Like there is, there's got to have been times when you were like,

497
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:48,160
this isn't going to end. This isn't going to end. Yeah. I mean, there's chunks I've not seen. Okay.

498
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:53,520
The guy on guy stuff's less interesting to me. Really? I mean, you're the, you're the bendy one.

499
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:59,440
I'm just like, ah, that's fine. The bendy one. Yes. You're the bendy one. And I'm just like,

500
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:05,200
that's perfectly a pleasant, but not for me. You know, these, these, what polite young guy.

501
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:09,280
Exactly. Oh, they're having a lovely time. They're just, aren't they having a lovely time?

502
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:13,360
So no, they're not. Even when they're doing the thing, I'm like, well, that's nice for them.

503
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:18,480
Oh, bless Steve. He's really into Ian. They must be great friends. That looks, that looks like a

504
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,240
fun time. That's just not available to me. It's the weirdest sentence that I'm about to say,

505
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:26,720
but I would fucking kill for you to just commentate on gay porn for that exact storyline right there.

506
00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:31,120
Oh, what a lovely interaction. We'll upload a porn hub video one day. Okay. Just hello. Welcome

507
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:35,760
to the Every Movie Ever podcast. And we're just reviewing, we'll do a live watch along of gay

508
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:40,400
porn. If we ever do a live show, we'll just load some gay porn. We'll have to be an 18 plus event

509
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:47,760
and I'll just, I'll do it like it's the Olympics. We'll do a song. Yeah. We'll commentate,

510
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,760
we'll spectate it through. We'll do some action replays. Just be there going, oh, and he's speeding

511
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:57,280
up. Pace is increasing. Yeah. There we go. That's fantastic textbook move there. Now you join us at

512
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:06,320
the long jump. Oh, and there it goes. That was 3.2 feet over Ian's back. There we go. So she was a

513
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:11,680
nymphomaniac. No one's ever seen the end of that film. Anyway, this gave her a fucking open door

514
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:16,080
into Hollywood being sort of like she can take on challenging and unconventional parts, right? Yes.

515
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:21,840
I mean, so following that she was in stuff like the survivalist, not seen it, a cure for wellness.

516
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:27,360
Great film. Fucking great film. Yes. Did you remember her in it? I did. Yes. Okay. Well,

517
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:32,640
there you go. Fuck me then, right? Um, okay. Let's just skip past this whole bit that I have for that.

518
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:39,360
That's fine. Uh, but goth really got popular with the remake of Suspiria, which is a bag of shit.

519
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,800
Yeah. I didn't bother watching it. If Tom York does the soundtrack, I'm like, that's going to be

520
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:47,440
shit then. Yeah. It's fucking wanky. It's just wanky. The original Suspiria is way better. The

521
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:52,240
original soundtrack is way better. Go listen to Goblin. I like Tom York's music. I hate his film

522
00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:56,240
taste. I just fucking hate Tom York. If I'm honest. I remember bumping into him once and saying,

523
00:47:56,240 --> 00:48:01,600
can you sign my radiohead CD? It was after a gig. Can you sign my radiohead CD? And he went, why?

524
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:07,120
And then just walked off. I mean, but did you answer him? No. Well then. Because I was, I was

525
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,800
so into Tom York at the time. I was like, yeah, fuck it. Why am I into this material bullshit?

526
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:15,200
I threw my CD away, but then I also really wanted my fucking CD. So I was like, that guy's a dick.

527
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:20,640
Do you know what I mean? Okay. It's a complicated relationship with Tom York. I get it. It was,

528
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:24,480
it was an odd, it was an odd mix of emotions that I was going through in a time when I wasn't

529
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:32,480
really sure. And that's exactly what I have with Mia Goth. Okay. Because I think she is Pearl in a lot of ways

530
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:41,360
and doesn't. Okay. Okay. How, how so? I think from everything I've seen of Mia Goth,

531
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:47,200
yeah, even the fucking name, even the like, I'm a, she, Pearl goes through the entire movie going,

532
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:56,000
but I'm a star. Right. Right. I'm a star and that's what's going to make me happy. And that kind of,

533
00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:01,840
it's a criticism of that externalization of happiness into when I'm a big shot, I'll matter.

534
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:07,200
Right. Right. And then you read the allegations against her where she's kicked this guy in the

535
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:13,120
head and it's quoted as saying, nobody will believe you because you're nothing. Get the fuck off my set,

536
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:20,320
you big baby. I think that kind of, wow, sense of what I'm doing is important because it's art.

537
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:26,640
I'm not an entertainer and I'm not a person. I'm a star. I'm an artistic star. I'm going to marry

538
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:34,000
Michelle LeBouf and Shia's gonna platinum that abuse trophy. Right. And I'm going to go, I'm the shit.

539
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:42,720
And I just, there's a level that there's a lack of self awareness that I see in Mia Goth of like,

540
00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:47,440
if I saw her in interviews and she was like, yeah, it's just a job. You know, I'm doing a job

541
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:52,640
and I'm glad that people enjoy it, but it's not. It's very much like, yes, I'm the greatest artist.

542
00:49:54,480 --> 00:50:00,800
I mean, and then to make Pearl not be aware. Oh, okay. You remember, like I don't watch

543
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,800
Christopher Nolan interviews because it makes him worse for me. Yeah. This is, this is the same for

544
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,960
me. I don't like peeking behind the curtain sometimes. Maybe, maybe for Maxine, watch a few

545
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:14,320
interviews with her and be like, Oh, I don't know if I can. I don't know if I can. She's one of those

546
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:19,760
people like after infinity pool, I'm unashamedly a little bit in love with Mia Goth. Right. Okay.

547
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:25,120
You know what I mean? I kick me in the fucking head and pull me a piece of shit. I figured out

548
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:31,840
your taste in women, by the way. Okay. How old were you when you watched the animated film Rango

549
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:38,080
starring Johnny Depp? I've never seen it. Really? I've never seen it. Cause there's a chameleon in

550
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:44,720
that, that I think would drive you insane. Okay. It's an anthropomorphic chameleon. That's a wild

551
00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:50,160
west lady and she's got chameleon eyes. So they're massive and they're on the side of her head.

552
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:55,840
All right. I'm invested. And I would have, I would have put good money on you watching Rango at a formative age and just going,

553
00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:02,640
that's, that's what a sexy woman is to me. Okay. A chameleon in a dress. Yeah. Because Mia Goth,

554
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:07,600
you could describe her as a chameleon. Anya Taylor Joy, I'm surprised she's got more fingers than three.

555
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:12,560
Take, you get my fucking wife's name out of your fucking mouth. All right. I'll walk on this stage

556
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:18,240
and slap you in the mouth. I don't care. All right. Fuck the Oscars. Ban me. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

557
00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:22,720
No, you raised good points. I think my issue was, is that during my filmative years, I watched a lot

558
00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:29,600
of movies about aliens. Right. And yeah, you know, I mean, it's the kinky thing, right? They scare me. It's a weird thing.

559
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:35,280
Yeah. It's that. So because it's scary, it kind of becomes a bit, yeah. Someone told me, if I told you this,

560
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:41,200
someone told me, uh, Helen at boardroom game cafe told me that owls his face is just an ear, but they

561
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:47,120
have like a, like a concave. Ben, you've gone from like just like the media, Ben with well researched

562
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:54,320
to someone at a cafe told me that owls his face. Firstly, plural of owls is not owls is.

563
00:51:55,120 --> 00:52:01,920
And well, they are owls. Owls. No, that doesn't sound right. Owl is the singular. Yeah. Owls is the plural.

564
00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:09,840
Owls is two. And then anything like owls in general for all of them together. Owls is okay. Cool. Cool. Cool.

565
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:15,440
We've gone from encyclopedia, Ben telling us about Russian history in 1914, which I loved by the way.

566
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,680
Thank you. I did that for you. Back to our regularly scheduled programming of Ben going

567
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:27,280
owls his face is just ear. It is though. Isn't that fucked up? That's fucked up. Don't play it off.

568
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:31,440
Like you're not impressed right now. That's terrifying. Anyway, where are we? Is this the show?

569
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:35,120
Are we helping the show? I mean, if I've done something good, I'm going to round out the show.

570
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:39,200
You've done brilliantly this week. I'm very impressed with the research.

571
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:45,280
Thank you. I have one little bit because you asked the question. You were like, why was this made at

572
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:52,400
the same time as X? And I have answers for you. Right? Right. So Ty West started writing Pearl

573
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:58,400
with Miragoth whilst X was still in production. Okay. So Miragoth had signed on before X had

574
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,880
finished production. They were like, yes, we're going to do this. It's going to be fucking great.

575
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:08,320
They kept it secret from everyone because no one knew. The only people that knew were A24 who were

576
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:14,480
like, okay, well you're on the set. You've built a ton of shit and I guess it makes financial sense

577
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:19,280
for you to just make another film while you're there. Yeah. Yeah. Just stay there for a bit.

578
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:24,080
And make a workshop around the corner so you can get some severed heads and whatnot. Yeah.

579
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:28,400
Exactly. And fucking obviously A24 are the coolest, apart from Orion,

580
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,240
A24 are the coolest fucking people and 88 films. What am I talking about? They're one of the coolest

581
00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:36,880
fucking, you know, producers of films at this point. Yeah. 100%. They were like, yeah, fucking

582
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:43,920
do it. This whole film was a secret and it was only revealed at the premiere of X at the South

583
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:50,880
by Southwest when they included a teaser trailer for another feature length film that was about

584
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:55,760
to come out six months later. And everyone there was like, what the fuck did he just say? I'm

585
00:53:55,760 --> 00:54:00,320
sorry. We've just witnessed cinematic genius and then gone, oh yeah, but by the way, here's another

586
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:04,240
one. The sequel's already made. So the sequel's made. Yeah. I'm just, you know, I'll knock it out.

587
00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:09,280
I love the idea that they did it in secret. So everyone involved in the, General Tager and

588
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:14,960
everyone else involved in the making of his film X would have been a hundred percent sure that her

589
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,560
and Ty West were fucking. Oh, a thousand percent. They'd have been like, they keep going off.

590
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:23,120
They don't tell us what they're up to. And then only at the premiere of X were they like,

591
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:27,200
oh, they were making a film without us. There was another WhatsApp group.

592
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:32,560
Can you imagine? Oh my God. I didn't even think about that. Right. Can you imagine their reaction?

593
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:37,040
They just see the teaser trailer and they're like, what the fuck? I was there. Yeah. Oh my God.

594
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:41,920
That's amazing. Didn't want me in the film then. No. Yeah. Fuck you then. Right. Oh, right. So she

595
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:47,600
can be in both, but you couldn't have just found like, I dunno, a fucking market holder or a driver.

596
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:52,640
Mia goth gets fucking two roles in X and I get killed off. Yeah. Okay. Sound. All right. Sound.

597
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:58,160
She gets three roles. Yeah. Incredible. Fucking great. I've got a quote from him as well. I've

598
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:02,960
got a quote from, I got a quote from Ty West in an interview talking about how this all came to be.

599
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:08,320
And he says, I came out of quarantine and I was like, we're already building all this stuff. It's

600
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:14,400
COVID and we're on the one place on earth where it's safe to make a movie. We had the whole crew

601
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:23,440
from Avatar two who were on break. We should make two movies. And then he said the miracle of a 24

602
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:31,600
was that they thought this was actually a good idea. I love this man so much, Rob. I cannot put

603
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:36,800
into words how much I love. You buried the lead on the fact that this was made by the same people

604
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:42,400
who made Avatar two. Yeah. Same crew. They were on break because of COVID. Did I not mention that

605
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:48,160
in my Russian research in my 1918 travel back in time history lesson? Well, that's a great fact

606
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:52,720
about the, uh, the making of Pearl. Just saw it sprinkle that on top for you. You know what I mean?

607
00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:57,360
Just the very last, just as the desk, that's you going back for the hat of the episode.

608
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:03,200
Yeah. The doors close. Yeah. That's exactly what it is. And unfortunately that is all the time

609
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,480
you've got for this week. That's all the time we've got, man. That's it. Yeah. You know what I mean?

610
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:12,400
Actually, low key love that we've spent an hour and there's one fact about this film.

611
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:19,120
At one minute, one hour and one minute, there's one fact about this film.

612
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:24,960
Yeah. Do you remember earlier, how I use it? I said, don't worry. This movie facts coming this

613
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:31,040
fuckhole. No, there is no really realistically there was movie fact coming. You know what I mean?

614
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:38,240
And it came, we delivered you welcome, dear listener. Welcome to the show. This is where we

615
00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:45,920
amble through life. That's all the time we've got for this week. We love you dearly. You're so welcome.

616
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,760
I'm going to, we love you all very dearly. We do. I'm going to, I, Ben's going to wrap up the

617
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:55,920
thoughts, themes and feelings of this week's film. To thank you for spending time, especially at the

618
00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:04,320
start of your week. I'm just going to tell you to consume. It's just consume out. Dude, we've missed

619
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:09,360
everything. There's no outro in this show. I've done fucking Russian research. There's no outro.

620
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:17,600
Fine. Okay. Find something that you love doing, become fucking amazing at it. And then when

621
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:21,920
someone pays you to do it, fuck it, do it twice. You know what I mean? I don't know. There's

622
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:28,800
something in there. Don't be Pearl or be Pearl. Depending on your genetic predisposition. I'm

623
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,960
going to nurture you either way. You know what I mean? Be the best fucking you. Oh, the rate in

624
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:43,120
you. Uh, I am going to rate it a nine. How would you rate it? Just a fucking eight. Are you joking?

625
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:48,080
Are you seriously going to rate this an eight? This was supposed to be your film.

626
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:34,080
Okay.

627
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:47,760
Can you not hear that? Yeah. What? May there's like someone screaming like Texas chainsaw massacre.

628
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:58,240
Screaming. Yeah. What the fuck? Is this your mental neighbor again? I don't know who is

629
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:08,080
is. I'd fuck off. I don't know who it is, but fuck off. You live in the neighbor. Texas

630
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:13,360
chainsaw massacre. Just go shut up. He's a murderer. Shut the fuck up. Shut up.

631
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,480
I heard a little glimmer of something then. What's that?

632
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,000
Oh my God. Is that real? Yes.

633
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:30,160
Okay. Well that's fucked up.