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Welcome to Pamoja Podcast, the place where stronger

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lives are built, faith is strengthened, hearts

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are encouraged, and Christ -centered homes are

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shaped through ordinary conversations that become

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extraordinary encounters with God's truth. One

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conversation, one story, one revelation at a

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time. I'm your host, Barry Mwamba. In our last

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conversation, I promised that I would share our

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story. Not because our story is different from

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everyone else's, but because I have come to realize

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that many Christian couples quietly walk through

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the same seasons while believing they are the

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only ones experiencing them. For 15 conversations,

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we have talked about a house in the middle of

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the forest. We have talked about the foundation,

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the windows. the warmth, the atmosphere. We have

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discovered that every house has an atmosphere,

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and that atmosphere is shaped by whatever is

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allowed to reign inside it. Today, I want to

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take you beyond the parable. I want to invite

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you into our home, not to show you a perfect

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marriage, but to show you the faithfulness of

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a perfect God. Because there was a season when

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Giselle and I discovered That knowing God's design

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for marriage is not the same as living in it

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every day. And looking back today, I don't believe

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our greatest danger was conflict. I don't believe

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it was disappointment. I don't even believe it

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was misunderstanding. I believe our greatest

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danger was something much quieter. Something

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that almost every Christian experiences, yet

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very few recognize, while it is happening. Complacency.

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I have often wondered why the Bible spends so

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much time warning believers to remain watchful.

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Jesus said, Watch and pray so that you will not

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enter into temptation. Peter wrote, Be alert

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and of sober mind. Your adversary the devil prowls

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around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to

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devour. The writer of Hebrews encourages us to

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encourage one another daily so that none of us

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may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin.

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There is a pattern throughout scripture. God

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continually calls his people to stay awake spiritually.

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Why? Because the greatest spiritual dangers rarely

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announce their arrival. They quietly settle into

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our routines until they begin to feel normal.

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As I reflected on our own marriage, I realized

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that this was exactly what happened to us. We

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never stopped loving God. We never decided to

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walk away from Him. We never woke up one morning

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and said, Christ will no longer be the center

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of our home. It happened much more quietly than

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that. Life became busy. Responsibilities multiplied.

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Children needed our attention. Ministry demanded

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more. Work required more of us than it had before.

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None of those things were sinful. In fact, many

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of them were blessings from God. But blessings

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can become distractions when they slowly replace

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the one who gave them. That is the danger of

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complacency. Complacency does not always look

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like rebellion. More often, it looks like neglect.

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It is the slow assumption that because we have

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walked with God for many years, we no longer

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need to pursue him with the same hunger we once

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had. It quietly tells us that yesterday's intimacy

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will be enough for today, but love has never

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grown that way. No marriage remains healthy because

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of yesterday's conversation. No friendship remains

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strong because of yesterday's time together.

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Every meaningful relationship is sustained by

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continual fellowship. Why would our relationship

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with God be any different? I think about the

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church in Ephesus. Jesus commended them for their

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perseverance, their discernment, and their faithfulness.

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Outwardly, they looked like a healthy church,

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yet his concern was not with what they were doing.

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It was with what they had slowly stopped becoming.

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You have forsaken the love you had at first.

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There was still serving, still working, still

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enduring, but something precious had quietly

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faded. I wonder how many Christian homes look

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exactly like that, still functioning, still attending

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church, still raising children, still carrying

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responsibilities. Yet the warmth that once filled

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the house has become harder to recognize because

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complacency slowly replaced pursuit. And perhaps

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that is one of the enemy's greatest victories.

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Not convincing us to hate God, simply convincing

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us that we can safely live without intentionally

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seeking him every day. That is where our story

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began and at the time we didn't even realize

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it. As I look back today, I don't think complacency

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was the problem. I think it was the door. Once

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that door was opened, other things quietly found

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their way into our home. That is the nature of

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spiritual complacency. It never comes alone.

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It always brings something with it. The more

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I reflected on our journey, the more I realized

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that this pattern is found throughout scripture.

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Adam and Eve did not lose the garden the day

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they ate the fruit. Something had already changed

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before they ever reached for it. They had stopped

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depending on God's voice and started entertaining

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another one. The fruit was simply the visible

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consequence of an invisible drift. That is how

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the enemy works. He rarely begins with the visible

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sin. He begins by changing what captures our

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attention. That is exactly what happened to Samson.

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His strength did not disappear the day his hair

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was cut. His downfall began long before that,

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when he slowly became comfortable with crossing

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boundaries that God had established for his life.

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One decision led to another, one compromise prepared

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the next, until one day he woke up believing

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he could live exactly as he always had, not realizing

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that the presence of God had departed from him.

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That verse has always troubled me. He did not

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know that the Lord had left him. What a frightening

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sentence. Not because God is eager to abandon

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his people. but because it reveals how easily

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we can become unaware of what is happening inside

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us while everything still appears normal on the

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outside. I believe marriages can experience something

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very similar. A husband and wife can still live

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under the same roof, still go to church, still

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raise the children, still smile in public, still

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celebrate anniversaries, and yet, Without realizing

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it, they began living beside one another instead

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of walking together. That was our story. Not

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because we stopped loving each other, but because

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we slowly stopped protecting the relationship

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that made our love grow. The conversations became

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shorter. The moments together became less intentional.

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We became very good at managing responsibilities.

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but we were no longer investing in our relationship

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with the same intentionality we once had. And

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perhaps that is one of the greatest deceptions

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of complacency. It convinces us that because

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we are still functioning, we must also be flourishing.

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But those are not the same thing. A marriage

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can continue functioning while quietly losing

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its warmth. A Christian can continue serving.

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while quietly losing intimacy with God. A family

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can continue living together while quietly drifting

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apart. Looking back now, I can honestly say that

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nothing dramatic had happened yet. If someone

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had asked us how we were doing, we probably would

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have answered, we're fine. And maybe we even

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believed it. Because complacency has a way of

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making slow drift feel normal. Until one day,

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you realize how far you've drifted from where

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you once were. There is something I have learned

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over the years. No couple wakes up one morning

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and decides to stop loving each other. That is

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rarely how marriages begin to fall apart. It

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usually starts with disappointments that are

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never fully healed. Conversations that are postponed

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until tomorrow, wounds that are never brought

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into the light, and a growing distance that nobody

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notices because life keeps everyone busy. Looking

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back today, I can honestly say that Giselle and

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I did not suddenly arrive at that place. We drifted

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there. One season at a time. One disappointment

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at a time. One misunderstanding at a time. Until

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one day we looked at each other and realized

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that we were no longer enjoying the marriage

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we had once dreamed of building together. There

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were moments when we genuinely wondered whether

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we had reached the end of our journey. The joy

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that had once come so naturally seemed difficult

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to find. The conversations that once brought

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us closer together sometimes left us feeling

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even farther apart. The house was still standing,

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but the atmosphere inside the house had changed.

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There came a point where we began discussing

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things that we never imagined we would discuss.

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We talked about separating. We talked to lawyers.

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We began organizing our finances as though we

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were preparing to live two different lives. I

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remember thinking that perhaps this was simply

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how our story would end. After all, we had tried,

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we had prayed, we loved God, and yet it seemed

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as though we had nothing left to give each other.

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If I am completely honest with you, there were

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moments when I believed our first love was gone

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forever. That is difficult to say, but it is

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the truth. And perhaps someone listening today

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has whispered those same words in the silence

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of their own heart. Maybe you have wondered whether

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what has been lost can ever be found again. Maybe

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you have convinced yourself that your marriage

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has reached a point beyond restoration. Maybe

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you are still living in the same house, but it

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no longer feels like home. If that is where you

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are today, I want you to know that I understand

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those emotions because we have walked through

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them ourselves. But there is one thing I did

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not understand at the time. I thought our greatest

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problem was that we had lost our love for one

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another. Looking back now, I see it differently.

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Love was not the first thing we lost. The first

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thing we lost was our shared pursuit of God's

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presence. When Christ quietly stopped being the

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center of our home, Everything else slowly began

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to move out of its proper place. Our communication

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suffered. Our patience became thinner. Forgiveness

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became more difficult. The warmth we once enjoyed

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became harder to recognize. Everything we have

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talked about throughout this entire season was

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no longer just a lesson. It had become our reality

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and then... When we had almost convinced ourselves

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that our story was over, God stepped into our

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house once again. But God, there are two words

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that appear throughout the Bible that have always

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filled my heart with hope. But God, those two

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words have changed the course of countless lives.

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Joseph's brothers sold him into slavery. but

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God turned what was meant for evil into good.

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The children of Israel stood trapped between

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Pharaoh's army and the Red Sea, but God made

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a way where there seemed to be no way. Lazarus

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had been in the tomb for four days, but God was

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not finished writing his story. The cross appeared

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to be Satan's greatest victory, but God raised

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Jesus from the dead. Again and again, when man

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reaches the end of himself, God begins revealing

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what he had planned all along. That is exactly

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what happened to us. When we had exhausted our

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own strength, God reminded us that our marriage

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had never been sustained by our strength in the

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first place. It had always been sustained by

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his grace. I cannot point to one single conversation.

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that suddenly changed everything. I cannot point

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to one counseling session that instantly fixed

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our marriage. I cannot tell you that we woke

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up one morning and every wound had disappeared.

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That is not how God worked in our lives. He began

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by bringing us back to Himself before He restored

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our marriage, He restored our hearts, before

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He healed our relationship with one another.

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He renewed our relationship with Him, and that

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changed everything. We began praying together

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again, not because someone told us we had to,

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but because we realized we could no longer live

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without God's presence at the center of our home.

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We returned to His word, not looking for information,

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but looking for Him. We repented. Not only are

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the things we had done wrong toward each other,

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but of the ways we had slowly allowed other things

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to take the place that only Christ was meant

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to occupy. Looking back today, I don't believe

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God simply repaired our marriage. He rebuilt

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our foundation. He reminded us that our covenant

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was never based on feelings. It was never sustained

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by emotions. It was never secured by our own

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determination. It was built upon Christ. And

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when Christ returned to the center of our house,

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the atmosphere began to change. Peace slowly

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returned. Grace became easier to extend. Forgiveness

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no longer felt impossible. Conversations that

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had once ended in frustration began leading us

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back toward understanding. The warmth returned,

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not because our circumstances suddenly became

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easier. but because the one who gives life to

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the house was once again occupying his rightful

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place. That is why I can stand before you today

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with absolute confidence and tell you this. God

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is not only able to restore marriages, he is

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able to restore everything that seemed to disappear

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inside the marriage. He restores hope. He restores

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trust. He restores joy. He restores friendship.

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He restores purpose. And sometimes, he even restores

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the very love you thought had been lost forever.

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Because our God has always been in the business

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of resurrection. He doesn't simply make things

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better. He makes all things new. When I look

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back on that season today, I don't see failure

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the way I once did. I see a loving Father who

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refused to let us continue building our marriage

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without Him at the center. At the time, I thought

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God was simply trying to save our marriage. Now

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I believe He was doing something much greater.

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He was teaching us what marriage was always meant

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to be. Marriage was never intended to be sustained

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by feelings. Feelings are beautiful. They are

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gifts from God. But they were never meant to

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become the foundation of a covenant. There were

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days when we felt deeply in love with one another.

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There were other days when those feelings seemed

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very far away. If our marriage had been built

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upon emotions alone, it would never have survived.

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But our covenant rested upon something much stronger

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than emotions. It rested upon the faithfulness

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of God. That changed the way we understood love.

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We stopped asking, how do I feel today? We began

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asking, how can I honor the covenant God has

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entrusted to us today? Those are very different

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questions. One is centered on self. The other

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is centered on Christ. I also discovered something

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that I had never fully understood before. God

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never asked me to change Giselle. He asked me

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to become more like Christ. That realization

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transformed the way I looked at our marriage.

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Instead of waiting for her to make the first

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step, God began dealing with my own heart. He

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exposed my pride. He revealed my impatience.

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He confronted the expectations I had placed upon

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my wife that only he could fulfill. And I have

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no doubt that at the same time, God was doing

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his work in Giselle's heart as well. That is

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how restoration begins. Not when one person changes

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the other, but when both people allow God to

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change them. That is why I no longer believe

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the greatest miracle in our story was that we

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stayed married. The greatest miracle was that

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Christ reclaimed his rightful place in our home.

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Because when he returned to the center, everything

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else slowly found its proper place again. The

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atmosphere changed. The conversations changed.

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Our home changed. Our future changed. Looking

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back today, I understand my father's story better

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than I ever did as a young man. The secret of

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the house in the middle of the forest was never

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the walls. It was never the windows. It was never

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even the fire itself. The secret was always the

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one the house was built for. A house where Christ

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is welcomed will never be a house without hope.

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It may experience storms. It may experience seasons

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of pain. It may even experience moments when

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the fire grows weak. But if Christ remains at

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the center, there is always hope for restoration.

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That is the testimony we wanted to share with

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you. Not because our marriage is perfect, but

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because our savior, As we come to the end of

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this journey together, I find myself thinking

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once again about my father. Many years ago, he

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told me a simple story about a house in the middle

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of the forest. At the time, I thought he was

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teaching me about marriage. Today, I realize

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he was teaching me about life, because every

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one of us is building a house. Some of you are

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preparing to get married. Some of you have been

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married for only a few years. Others have spent

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decades together. Some of you are walking through

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one of the happiest seasons of your lives. Others

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are listening today with tears in your eyes because

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your house no longer feels like home. Wherever

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you are on that journey, I want you to remember

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one thing. Never stop protecting the presence

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of God in your home. Protect it more than your

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reputation. Protect it more than your success.

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Protect it more than your possessions. Protect

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it more than being right. Because when God's

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presence remains at the center of your house,

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He will give you the wisdom to face every disagreement.

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the humility to ask for forgiveness, the grace

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to forgive one another, and the strength to remain

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standing when the storms eventually come. The

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forest has never been the greatest danger. Storms

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have never been the greatest danger. Even conflict

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has never been the greatest danger. The greatest

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danger is quietly learning to live without intentionally

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seeking the one who gave life to your home in

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the first place. Don't allow busyness to replace

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devotion. Don't allow familiarity to replace

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gratitude. Don't allow routine to replace worship.

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Don't allow complacency to convince you that

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yesterday's relationship with God will be enough

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for today's challenges. Continue praying together.

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Continue opening God's Word together. Continue

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worshiping together. Continue speaking life over

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one another. Continue protecting the atmosphere

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inside your home, because your children are growing

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inside that atmosphere. They are learning what

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love looks like, what forgiveness looks like,

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what faith looks like, and what it means to follow

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Christ, not only by listening to what you say,

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but by watching how you live. One day, they will

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build houses of their own. The atmosphere you

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cultivate today will become part of the foundation

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they carry into the next generation. That is

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why your marriage is bigger than the two of you.

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It is a testimony. It is a ministry. It is a

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legacy. And before we close this season, I want

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to leave you with the same lesson my father left

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with me. Never forget that the house was built

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in the middle of the forest. The forest never

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disappeared. The wind never stopped blowing.

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The cold never stopped surrounding the house.

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But none of those things determined what happened

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inside. The atmosphere inside the house was determined

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by what was protected inside the house. May that

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always be true of your home. May Christ always

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remain the center of your marriage. May his presence

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always be the fire that fills every room. And

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may your house become a place where your children,

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your grandchildren, your friends, and everyone

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who enters can experience the peace, the love,

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and the faithfulness of God. Because in the end,

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the greatest testimony of a Christian marriage

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is not that it never faced the forest. It is

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that, in the middle of the forest, it never stopped

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welcoming the presence of God. Before we close

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this season, I want to thank every one of you

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who has walked with us through the house in the

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middle of the forest. What began as a simple

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story my father shared with me became a journey

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that reminded us of something we must never forget.

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A Christian home is not sustained by walls. It

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is not sustained by emotions. It is not even

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sustained by good intentions. A Christian home

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is sustained by the presence of God. That is

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my prayer for you, that your house will remain

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warm, that your family will remain united, and

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that Christ will always be at the center of everything

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you build. But as we close this season, another

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question is already on my heart. What happens

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after the house is built? Because protecting

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a Christ -centered home is only one part of the

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journey. The reality is that every day we walk

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into a world filled with responsibilities, opportunities,

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promotions, ambitions, deadlines, and pressures

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that quietly compete for our attention. Very

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few homes are destroyed overnight. Many are slowly

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neglected while we are busy trying to build a

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successful life. That is why, in our next season

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of Pamoja Podcast, we're going to explore a journey

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that I believe speaks to every husband, every

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wife, every parent, every leader, every entrepreneur,

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every employee, and everyone who has ever struggled

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to keep life in its proper order when success

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steals your life. Together, we will discover

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how success can quietly create isolation. how

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ambition can slowly replace devotion, how providing

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for the people we love can sometimes keep us

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away from them, and why some of the greatest

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spiritual battles are fought not in moments of

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failure but in seasons of achievement. We will

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talk about David before Bathsheba, the appetite

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created by isolation, work husbands and work

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wives, providing everything except yourself.

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when labor becomes an idol, and how to come home

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again before success costs us what matters most.

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Because success is a wonderful servant, but it

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is a terrible master. And if we are not careful,

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we may gain everything we were chasing, while

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quietly losing everything God entrusted to our

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care. I cannot wait to begin this journey with

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you. Until then, Continue protecting the atmosphere

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inside your home. Continue making room for the

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presence of God. Continue choosing one another.

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And remember, the greatest success you will ever

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achieve is not measured by what you accomplish

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in the world, but by what remains alive inside

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your home when you walk through the front door.

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I'm Barry Mwamba. Thank you for joining me on

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Pomoja Podcast. God bless you, and I'll see you

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in season two, when success steals your life.
