WEBVTT 00:00:03.240 --> 00:00:08.580 R -E -S -P -E -C -P, not quite what Aretha Franklin 00:00:08.580 --> 00:00:13.800 would say, but welcome to the very first edition 00:00:13.800 --> 00:00:18.519 of Video Game Ramblings on the Respec podcast. 00:00:19.620 --> 00:00:22.579 So hello, thanks for joining us. I'm joined today 00:00:22.579 --> 00:00:26.440 by a very familiar face to me, and I hope some 00:00:26.440 --> 00:00:33.159 of you guys as well, the lovely Tom Ori. It's 00:00:33.159 --> 00:00:38.079 a great first. Am I lovely? Well, you can be. 00:00:38.640 --> 00:00:43.380 Yeah, that's fair. Okay, I'll take it. That other 00:00:43.380 --> 00:00:46.159 voice, that other face you see if you're on the 00:00:46.159 --> 00:00:49.320 video version is Rebecca. And we all have something 00:00:49.320 --> 00:00:54.479 in common, right? We do. Video games? Is it video 00:00:54.479 --> 00:00:58.039 games? It is video games. Broadly? Yeah, broadly 00:00:58.039 --> 00:01:00.979 speaking, yeah. We've all written about video 00:01:00.979 --> 00:01:04.579 games together in the past at various places. 00:01:04.780 --> 00:01:11.540 I think most prominently VG247, but also Eurogamer. 00:01:12.379 --> 00:01:16.000 And we recently left that operation and we've 00:01:16.000 --> 00:01:21.040 decided to do Shock Horror, a website about... 00:01:21.359 --> 00:01:26.019 video games tom are we are we unhinged are we 00:01:26.019 --> 00:01:30.000 unhinged i don't know i mean i spent a long time 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:33.379 trying to get out of games media literal months 00:01:33.379 --> 00:01:37.200 just trying really hard and then i was like i 00:01:37.200 --> 00:01:40.900 give up alex just let's just do it let's do it 00:01:40.900 --> 00:01:44.159 let's go for it i love how the real life version 00:01:44.159 --> 00:01:46.739 that you said to me was much more like i've decided 00:01:46.739 --> 00:01:49.560 i still This is where my passion is. I still 00:01:49.560 --> 00:01:51.900 want to do it. And the audience version you present 00:01:51.900 --> 00:01:55.260 is, I give up. One could never possibly emote 00:01:55.260 --> 00:01:59.799 that hard in front of a camera. It's all an act. 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:03.400 Everything is an act. And you've got to play 00:02:03.400 --> 00:02:09.379 your role. My role is this kind of slightly helpless, 00:02:09.500 --> 00:02:21.020 depressed, sad individual. Well, if you want 00:02:21.020 --> 00:02:22.879 more of that, you've come to the right place. 00:02:23.800 --> 00:02:27.360 And Rebecca, obviously you've recently just departed 00:02:27.360 --> 00:02:31.460 VG247 a little bit after us. Yes. And you're 00:02:31.460 --> 00:02:33.319 going to be one of the faces that is going to 00:02:33.319 --> 00:02:35.120 be appearing here, which I'm really excited about. 00:02:35.439 --> 00:02:39.060 Me too. Yeah, absolutely. So, yeah, I don't know 00:02:39.060 --> 00:02:41.719 how much I want to get into it. But yeah, I decided 00:02:41.719 --> 00:02:43.699 that independent games media was where it was 00:02:43.699 --> 00:02:48.370 at. I decided to be here instead. And thank you 00:02:48.370 --> 00:02:50.610 for letting me, basically. I guess that's a good 00:02:50.610 --> 00:02:52.969 segue, right? In the sense that why are we doing 00:02:52.969 --> 00:02:55.069 this, right? Are we deranged? Well, I don't think 00:02:55.069 --> 00:03:00.370 so. I mean, obviously, so folk will know, you 00:03:00.370 --> 00:03:03.729 know, some people will know me from Eurogamer, 00:03:03.889 --> 00:03:06.689 from VG247. Other people might know me as like 00:03:06.689 --> 00:03:10.930 one of the regulars on VGC's podcast, which is 00:03:10.930 --> 00:03:13.389 something that I foresee continuing. Like we 00:03:13.389 --> 00:03:15.990 want to work with those guys quite a lot, I think, 00:03:15.990 --> 00:03:19.930 and just... create a cool ecosystem because um 00:03:19.930 --> 00:03:24.129 i've been inside the very very big corporately 00:03:24.129 --> 00:03:26.930 owned games media machine and you know i won't 00:03:26.930 --> 00:03:29.090 speak for you guys but where i stand on it is 00:03:29.090 --> 00:03:31.409 there's there's loads to love about it resources 00:03:31.409 --> 00:03:34.610 and support and being able to send an email and 00:03:34.610 --> 00:03:37.729 get a problem fixed relatively quickly without 00:03:37.729 --> 00:03:40.090 having to fix it yourself perhaps not too quickly 00:03:40.090 --> 00:03:43.509 um But, you know, there's a power to independence 00:03:43.509 --> 00:03:45.949 and I've been watching what other sites are doing 00:03:45.949 --> 00:03:49.349 and it's really excited me. And also, obviously, 00:03:49.370 --> 00:03:54.030 I've had the element of all the time I was working 00:03:54.030 --> 00:03:56.069 in the big corporately owned games media for 00:03:56.069 --> 00:03:59.389 ReadPop, for Ziff Davis, etc. I also remained 00:03:59.389 --> 00:04:04.270 the co -owner of RPGsite. And so a lot of the 00:04:04.270 --> 00:04:08.370 vision of Respec as I see it, and I'm sure Tom, 00:04:08.430 --> 00:04:10.580 you may have. thoughts as well, but it's very 00:04:10.580 --> 00:04:15.419 much about continuing some of the stuff we loved 00:04:15.419 --> 00:04:19.639 doing on VG247, on Eurogamer, on Videogamer, 00:04:19.779 --> 00:04:22.360 in your case, Tom. And I'm sure, well, I can 00:04:22.360 --> 00:04:25.279 promise you're going to see familiar faces from 00:04:25.279 --> 00:04:28.579 those places on the website bylines and on the 00:04:28.579 --> 00:04:31.319 pod and stuff like that, on videos. But also, 00:04:31.399 --> 00:04:34.959 I'm really proud of what RPGsite is. If you have 00:04:34.959 --> 00:04:37.180 never visited before RPGsite .net, it's a... 00:04:37.579 --> 00:04:39.220 what it says on the tin it's a role -playing 00:04:39.220 --> 00:04:41.639 game website and i want to bring some of that 00:04:41.639 --> 00:04:44.220 energy to a website that covers everything rather 00:04:44.220 --> 00:04:46.399 than shuts itself out of half the games that 00:04:46.399 --> 00:04:49.540 come out um so yeah that that's where i yeah 00:04:49.540 --> 00:04:53.639 independent i think it's the way to go um i think 00:04:53.639 --> 00:04:55.560 we need more of it i think as these big websites 00:04:55.560 --> 00:04:58.980 lay more and more and more people off um the 00:04:58.980 --> 00:05:01.980 best thing you can do is be an independent small 00:05:01.980 --> 00:05:05.449 ship that does something uh really well and we 00:05:05.449 --> 00:05:06.810 want to do a certain type of coverage really 00:05:06.810 --> 00:05:09.629 well i don't know how you you feel tom no i think 00:05:09.629 --> 00:05:12.009 that is it i think i mean we've both had years 00:05:12.009 --> 00:05:15.670 working like you rpg site it's been around for 00:05:15.670 --> 00:05:18.269 a long time i was a video gamer for 12 years 00:05:18.269 --> 00:05:23.129 and like there's a different feel to those websites 00:05:23.129 --> 00:05:25.610 than working for i mean as much as i love for 00:05:25.610 --> 00:05:28.389 you 24 7 and you're a gamer and i was there for 00:05:28.389 --> 00:05:33.000 nine years or so um There's just a feeling that 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:36.100 you can just be a bit scrappier, a bit more reactive, 00:05:36.339 --> 00:05:39.079 a bit more kind of, let's do this thing. And 00:05:39.079 --> 00:05:40.720 you have the idea in the morning and then you 00:05:40.720 --> 00:05:43.360 launch it in the afternoon kind of thing, which 00:05:43.360 --> 00:05:46.319 is very hard to do when there are multiple teams 00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:50.540 working across every single idea. There are benefits 00:05:50.540 --> 00:05:52.220 to that, obviously, but I think being able to 00:05:52.220 --> 00:05:56.759 just do what we want, I guess, is the big thing 00:05:56.759 --> 00:06:03.100 here. And just kind of... try to get back to 00:06:03.100 --> 00:06:07.040 like why we kind of started doing this in the 00:06:07.040 --> 00:06:09.439 first place like the reason i started a video 00:06:09.439 --> 00:06:12.540 game website is because that's what i wanted 00:06:12.540 --> 00:06:14.339 to do i wanted to write about video games right 00:06:14.339 --> 00:06:21.360 and um as you stay doing a job for 20 years you 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:25.319 gradually do less and less of that thing and 00:06:25.319 --> 00:06:27.319 do more and more of the stuff that you didn't 00:06:27.319 --> 00:06:29.759 really want to be doing which is sorry for you 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:33.839 two but managing people like you two um so you 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:36.240 end up writing less playing less games talking 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:38.519 about games less and it's just more about like 00:06:38.519 --> 00:06:43.240 the uh the numbers behind everything become the 00:06:43.240 --> 00:06:46.180 more dominating factor and i'm sure like i'm 00:06:46.180 --> 00:06:47.639 saying this now in a couple of months i'll be 00:06:47.639 --> 00:06:51.920 like looking at google analytics in a depression 00:06:51.920 --> 00:06:56.819 every night but um I think that what I want to 00:06:56.819 --> 00:07:00.800 achieve with Respec is that feeling of like we 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:03.540 all are doing this. Yes, we do want to earn money 00:07:03.540 --> 00:07:05.519 and have a living from this, but also because 00:07:05.519 --> 00:07:09.680 we just enjoy doing it. I'm being wary of using 00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:13.040 the word passion because passion is often abused 00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:17.120 as a kind of like do something for free, which 00:07:17.120 --> 00:07:19.500 is not what we're about at all. It's about that 00:07:19.500 --> 00:07:22.980 feeling of like when I was a kid. i was obsessed 00:07:22.980 --> 00:07:25.259 with reading about video games i used to buy 00:07:25.259 --> 00:07:29.279 as many magazines as i could all my pocket money 00:07:29.279 --> 00:07:31.259 all the money i earned from my little side jobs 00:07:31.259 --> 00:07:34.079 and stuff on magazines if i couldn't afford them 00:07:34.079 --> 00:07:37.779 i'd read them in smiths um and i'd just be like 00:07:37.779 --> 00:07:40.160 take this magazine would be like other kids might 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:42.439 take stuff on holiday with them like i know like 00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:44.339 you might take your comfort bear or something 00:07:44.339 --> 00:07:45.899 i used to take official playstation magazine 00:07:45.899 --> 00:07:50.439 with me and read it over and over again um So, 00:07:50.439 --> 00:07:52.279 I mean, that's the kind of thing I'd like us 00:07:52.279 --> 00:07:55.480 to get to is that feeling of like video games. 00:07:55.579 --> 00:07:57.100 I mean, there's a lot of negativity around video 00:07:57.100 --> 00:07:59.120 games rightly at the moment because things are 00:07:59.120 --> 00:08:03.100 a bit of a mess. And a lot of stuff is happening 00:08:03.100 --> 00:08:06.899 that is terrible, but I'd still like to be able 00:08:06.899 --> 00:08:09.879 to celebrate the good side of it, which is games 00:08:09.879 --> 00:08:12.060 are great, actually, when you ignore all the 00:08:12.060 --> 00:08:15.079 other stuff, which is hard to do, obviously. 00:08:15.339 --> 00:08:18.860 But it can be easy to get lost in the fact that 00:08:19.629 --> 00:08:23.470 everything is terrible when actually some of 00:08:23.470 --> 00:08:25.410 these things even like some of the stuff you 00:08:25.410 --> 00:08:26.990 don't even know is released is actually really 00:08:26.990 --> 00:08:30.069 great i know rebecca is big in the on the indie 00:08:30.069 --> 00:08:33.110 side of things um so yeah i think there's a lot 00:08:33.110 --> 00:08:35.970 to celebrate still without ignoring all the the 00:08:35.970 --> 00:08:39.190 bad stuff should have really written a little 00:08:39.190 --> 00:08:41.649 flyer for my podcast and just held it up at that 00:08:41.649 --> 00:08:43.730 point that would have been yeah no plug plug 00:08:43.730 --> 00:08:48.500 plug away yes please um podcast .co .uk We just 00:08:48.500 --> 00:08:50.440 recorded episode 61, which is our mid -year check 00:08:50.440 --> 00:08:53.320 -in. It's me and Liam Richardson and Rachel Watts, 00:08:53.379 --> 00:08:56.039 who are also ex -Gamer Network people who are 00:08:56.039 --> 00:08:58.940 awesome and even more talented, way more talented 00:08:58.940 --> 00:09:01.639 than me and way funnier. So go listen to us talk 00:09:01.639 --> 00:09:03.519 about indie games and get really sidetracked 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:06.340 every fortnight. Thank you. That's why I'm looking 00:09:06.340 --> 00:09:08.899 forward to it, to be fair. Like having you joining 00:09:08.899 --> 00:09:12.379 us, Rebecca, like, you know, so on RPGs, we love 00:09:12.379 --> 00:09:14.960 a lost leader. you know because because because 00:09:14.960 --> 00:09:17.860 so we you know in in too many to some degree 00:09:17.860 --> 00:09:20.039 this is boring business stuff right but to some 00:09:20.039 --> 00:09:23.039 degree you end up writing about so much about 00:09:23.039 --> 00:09:25.389 final fantasy or persona or whatever Because 00:09:25.389 --> 00:09:29.009 you want to, but also because that pays the bills 00:09:29.009 --> 00:09:33.490 to write about some tiny Japanese indie that's 00:09:33.490 --> 00:09:36.250 on Steam that is a really excellent genre piece 00:09:36.250 --> 00:09:38.230 that no one's heard of. And I definitely want 00:09:38.230 --> 00:09:40.370 to do a lot of that here. Yeah, I mean, that's, 00:09:40.370 --> 00:09:41.830 you know, that's the sort of wonderful opportunity 00:09:41.830 --> 00:09:43.950 that's kind of disappeared in sort of mainstream 00:09:43.950 --> 00:09:46.009 games media over the last few years, even like 00:09:46.009 --> 00:09:49.049 since I joined, what, seven years ago. That was 00:09:49.049 --> 00:09:51.480 still kind of feasible. back in sort of 2020 00:09:51.480 --> 00:09:55.259 2021 but now it's a lot more i mean i understand 00:09:55.259 --> 00:09:57.539 why it has to be but a lot more results focused 00:09:57.539 --> 00:10:00.419 a lot more numbers focused and yeah i mean i 00:10:00.419 --> 00:10:02.179 i love specializing in all these stupid gacha 00:10:02.179 --> 00:10:04.440 games that do ridiculous numbers but i also really 00:10:04.440 --> 00:10:06.580 like to be able to talk about the one hour indie 00:10:06.580 --> 00:10:09.539 that three people have played yeah i definitely 00:10:09.539 --> 00:10:11.000 want to do a bunch of that i mean you know that 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:15.399 the whole idea of like you know um of Well, if 00:10:15.399 --> 00:10:17.159 someone's got an hour to spare, they could spend 00:10:17.159 --> 00:10:18.840 that hour writing about something that thousands 00:10:18.840 --> 00:10:20.200 and thousands and thousands of people are going 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:22.600 to read that's less interesting or something 00:10:22.600 --> 00:10:24.100 that perhaps less people are going to read, but 00:10:24.100 --> 00:10:26.340 it's really going to interest those people. It's 00:10:26.340 --> 00:10:28.000 always a difficult balance, but it speaks to 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:30.139 what Tom just said actually about, I mean, for 00:10:30.139 --> 00:10:32.500 one time, you are my most enemy because I was 00:10:32.500 --> 00:10:35.220 all about N64 magazine. I was never an IPM guy. 00:10:35.220 --> 00:10:38.720 I used to buy that too. I was like, look, it's 00:10:38.720 --> 00:10:41.220 just the one I remember because I had the issue 00:10:41.220 --> 00:10:44.639 that had the official F1 game on the cover. and 00:10:44.639 --> 00:10:47.159 as a kid i loved f1 don't know why but i loved 00:10:47.159 --> 00:10:49.980 it it was on tv right um i used to look at the 00:10:49.980 --> 00:10:52.379 screenshots in that and think this and go to 00:10:52.379 --> 00:10:54.860 my mum look is this real or is this a is this 00:10:54.860 --> 00:10:56.320 a game i used to do it all the time with games 00:10:56.320 --> 00:10:59.340 like fifa on the mega dive look mum looks real 00:10:59.340 --> 00:11:02.240 doesn't it and she's like yeah it does i mean 00:11:02.240 --> 00:11:04.759 obviously now that that sounds ridiculous but 00:11:04.759 --> 00:11:06.539 at the time that's what that's what you believe 00:11:06.539 --> 00:11:13.440 right as a kid yeah it's i yeah i uh yeah i guess 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:15.519 i was a nintendo kid although the one i always 00:11:15.519 --> 00:11:19.399 remember is the very first issue of um the official 00:11:19.399 --> 00:11:21.840 dreamcast magazine and they clearly obviously 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:24.960 got us like now i'm in now now i've been in this 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:30.460 world for two decades more or less um i now understand 00:11:30.460 --> 00:11:31.840 what probably happened there where they probably 00:11:31.840 --> 00:11:33.940 literally had no assets for the cover and they 00:11:33.940 --> 00:11:36.500 were like shit What do we put on the cover of 00:11:36.500 --> 00:11:39.259 our very first issue? So they had like a model 00:11:39.259 --> 00:11:42.200 posing where she represented the Dreamcast in 00:11:42.200 --> 00:11:46.320 some ethereal way. And weirdly, that cover is 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:48.059 burned into my brain, even though it's just like 00:11:48.059 --> 00:11:52.320 the most weird, esoteric thing. It's very much, 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:55.240 it's of an era and it instantly transports you 00:11:55.240 --> 00:11:57.840 back to that era just to think about those, like 00:11:57.840 --> 00:12:00.100 any sort of like game adverts as well with just 00:12:00.100 --> 00:12:04.659 real people modeling in a very tenuous way. Yeah, 00:12:04.720 --> 00:12:06.419 I mean, the ads, well, sometimes the ads, that 00:12:06.419 --> 00:12:07.860 was a different, that was a different matter. 00:12:07.940 --> 00:12:09.480 I mean, you know, that's one thing we won't be 00:12:09.480 --> 00:12:11.320 able to do here. We won't be able to, I don't 00:12:11.320 --> 00:12:12.580 think we've got the money to pay any models. 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:15.600 Or it'd be extremely cheap models. Or maybe we'll 00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:17.000 just get YouTube. I was on a Bartlett's catalog 00:12:17.000 --> 00:12:20.980 once. Oh, there you go then. So technically, 00:12:21.120 --> 00:12:27.039 we can add model to your, to your resume. You 00:12:27.039 --> 00:12:29.240 know, we can put that on the, on the site when 00:12:29.240 --> 00:12:31.929 we, when. This is a pre -record, so the site 00:12:31.929 --> 00:12:34.009 isn't live yet, but it will be when you hear 00:12:34.009 --> 00:12:37.629 this. But we can add that to the opening post 00:12:37.629 --> 00:12:43.190 to say, noted model, Butlin's model, Thomas Horry. 00:12:43.370 --> 00:12:44.850 Can you remember the year? Because it looks really 00:12:44.850 --> 00:12:47.710 good if you can put the year in. I want to say 00:12:47.710 --> 00:12:55.830 1991. Wow. It was a long time ago. Is that Sonic 00:12:55.830 --> 00:12:57.409 the Hedgehog 1 year? I think that's Sonic the 00:12:57.409 --> 00:12:59.529 Hedgehog 1 year. It's just my hand as well. To 00:12:59.529 --> 00:13:02.470 be clear, it was just my hand. Well, that's not. 00:13:02.970 --> 00:13:05.330 Hand model. We get a lot of that. We used to 00:13:05.330 --> 00:13:06.549 get a lot of those in video games because you 00:13:06.549 --> 00:13:08.129 get, you know, people holding the Wii remotes 00:13:08.129 --> 00:13:12.710 or whatever. These days, not so much. This speaks 00:13:12.710 --> 00:13:15.850 to, you know, as you can probably tell, you can 00:13:15.850 --> 00:13:18.110 expect some retro stuff from us. We do love a 00:13:18.110 --> 00:13:20.690 little bit of a backwards looking name. Yeah. 00:13:21.899 --> 00:13:23.899 Indeed. I mean, you probably see my in -progress 00:13:23.899 --> 00:13:26.700 retro, mostly Sims shelf, but this is all retro 00:13:26.700 --> 00:13:29.480 PC games. I can't go because it's quite small 00:13:29.480 --> 00:13:31.779 on the thumbnail. But is that all like the old 00:13:31.779 --> 00:13:34.460 big box Sims? Yeah, that's the whole top shelf 00:13:34.460 --> 00:13:37.440 is the Sims 1 to 3. Next shelf is Sims 4, which 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:39.279 has fallen over, but also isn't complete because 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:40.980 they've gone all digital now. And then it's like 00:13:40.980 --> 00:13:44.200 a bunch of random PC games all the way down. 00:13:44.919 --> 00:13:47.120 And that's sad that you can't actually have a... 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:49.919 a complete sims collection anymore yeah well 00:13:49.919 --> 00:13:51.860 i was buying codes in boxes but then i started 00:13:51.860 --> 00:13:54.259 mostly getting them as review codes so also there's 00:13:54.259 --> 00:13:55.779 like the trade -off of like i didn't actually 00:13:55.779 --> 00:13:57.840 have to pay for a lot of them so it's a bit like 00:13:57.840 --> 00:14:01.620 this shelf this shelf is like is is playstation 00:14:01.620 --> 00:14:05.200 x playstation ps2 xbox ps1 game boy game boy 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:08.240 advanced ds but like there's just a tiny tiny 00:14:08.240 --> 00:14:10.059 number of switch switch and switch two games 00:14:10.059 --> 00:14:12.700 up there and a tiny tiny number of ps4 ps5 because 00:14:12.700 --> 00:14:15.679 i have largely stopped which friends of mine 00:14:15.679 --> 00:14:18.409 like you know um John Lennon on Digital Foundry 00:14:18.409 --> 00:14:20.330 would tell me off because they're beating the 00:14:20.330 --> 00:14:24.230 do not let physical die. Yeah, absolutely. I 00:14:24.230 --> 00:14:25.629 mean, given the choice, I'll always buy physical. 00:14:25.649 --> 00:14:27.110 Most of my console stuff's downstairs because 00:14:27.110 --> 00:14:29.350 my partner is also a gamer. So it seems quite 00:14:29.350 --> 00:14:31.950 unfair to steal it all and shove it in my office 00:14:31.950 --> 00:14:34.750 when he might want it to. But yeah, absolutely. 00:14:34.950 --> 00:14:37.850 Physical is where it's at. Love a limited run 00:14:37.850 --> 00:14:40.409 on its emergence. Yes, shout out to those guys. 00:14:40.730 --> 00:14:42.990 So what else are we going to say about this website? 00:14:43.149 --> 00:14:45.049 I mean, you know, it's going to be, we want... 00:14:45.899 --> 00:14:49.539 We want you guys to help us to shape it. Something 00:14:49.539 --> 00:14:51.899 we're not doing is we're not doing like loads 00:14:51.899 --> 00:14:56.899 and loads of paywalled content because my conclusion 00:14:56.899 --> 00:14:59.600 is that times are pretty rough and pretty hard 00:14:59.600 --> 00:15:02.460 economically for a lot of people right now. And 00:15:02.460 --> 00:15:05.179 so, you know, some people just want to read about 00:15:05.179 --> 00:15:07.919 video games and then maybe don't have the cash 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:11.080 to pay for that. However, people who do want 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:13.799 to support us, direct support really helps, you 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:17.220 know. the guys at vgc are very good at beating 00:15:17.220 --> 00:15:22.559 that drum and um i shall try to be as uh to be 00:15:22.559 --> 00:15:24.559 as brazen as they are with it said with love 00:15:24.559 --> 00:15:27.700 by the way lads um but uh yeah you can you know 00:15:27.700 --> 00:15:29.639 you'll be able to support us directly and there'll 00:15:29.639 --> 00:15:31.240 be little bits and bobs but we want to have a 00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:32.659 conversation with you guys about what this site 00:15:32.659 --> 00:15:35.480 should be we've got some ideas you'll see features 00:15:35.480 --> 00:15:37.120 and stuff which give a good idea of where we're 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:39.779 going with it but i suppose it's important to 00:15:39.779 --> 00:15:42.519 say that bit and i suppose that's that's the 00:15:42.519 --> 00:15:44.240 pitch for the site right and you can get on the 00:15:44.240 --> 00:15:46.240 site and you'll hear more in future weeks on 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:48.279 the podcast about what we're doing and how you 00:15:48.279 --> 00:15:50.620 can get involved and stuff like that and if you 00:15:50.620 --> 00:15:53.340 were a fan back in the day of something that 00:15:53.340 --> 00:15:55.340 we were involved with before whether that was 00:15:55.340 --> 00:15:57.480 the websites whether that was something like 00:15:57.480 --> 00:16:00.399 video 24 7 best games ever pod whether that was 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:03.399 the old video gamer shenanigans we should uh 00:16:03.399 --> 00:16:05.399 we want to hear about what things you loved because 00:16:05.399 --> 00:16:07.860 we want to consider how those things might be 00:16:07.860 --> 00:16:12.820 transposed into the new royal purple respec era 00:16:12.820 --> 00:16:15.840 um but i guess let's talk a little bit about 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:17.320 obviously this is a pre -record right and when 00:16:17.320 --> 00:16:20.399 we're recording this we don't actually know launching 00:16:20.399 --> 00:16:23.159 a website is a lot like you know that bit in 00:16:23.159 --> 00:16:25.139 wallace and gromit the wrong trousers where gromit's 00:16:25.139 --> 00:16:28.080 on the train and He's putting the track down 00:16:28.080 --> 00:16:32.539 in front as the penguin chases him. I am currently 00:16:32.539 --> 00:16:37.279 the grommet. And I suppose Tom, who he's keen 00:16:37.279 --> 00:16:40.659 to get going, is the penguin. My nickname at 00:16:40.659 --> 00:16:45.360 school was penguin. Okay, hang on. Let's take 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:49.000 this detour. Absolutely, no. I will not let this 00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:52.860 continue. It's just because kids are mean, right? 00:16:53.179 --> 00:16:56.919 And when I... I used to play football at break 00:16:56.919 --> 00:17:00.519 and lunchtime in the playground. And it was claimed 00:17:00.519 --> 00:17:04.119 that I ran like a penguin. Okay. That is it. 00:17:04.420 --> 00:17:08.299 It's like arms to the side kind of style. Did 00:17:08.299 --> 00:17:10.980 you? Deliberately. I don't know. I mean, I was 00:17:10.980 --> 00:17:13.779 too focused on being brilliant at football to 00:17:13.779 --> 00:17:17.099 notice. Fair enough. If it was your secret, then, 00:17:17.180 --> 00:17:20.200 yeah. But, I mean, maybe. But deliberately now, 00:17:20.319 --> 00:17:23.509 the amount of times I've run in the last... 10 00:17:23.509 --> 00:17:26.630 years are like maybe once at sports day for my 00:17:26.630 --> 00:17:30.809 son who wasn't watching um but i deliberately 00:17:30.809 --> 00:17:32.910 make a big point about not having my arms down 00:17:32.910 --> 00:17:37.170 to the side now like proper full -on like olympic 00:17:37.170 --> 00:17:41.650 sprinting style that was it was a when i was 00:17:41.650 --> 00:17:46.289 a child um you know when i was like nine ten 00:17:46.289 --> 00:17:49.690 whatever um there was a period of time on the 00:17:49.690 --> 00:17:53.599 playground where i absolutely did do the anime 00:17:53.599 --> 00:17:57.420 slash sonic hands behind the back run because 00:17:57.420 --> 00:18:00.019 i thought it made you know in my brain i was 00:18:00.019 --> 00:18:03.099 like clearly it makes you faster um and this 00:18:03.099 --> 00:18:07.299 was brought up in my uh in my best man speech 00:18:07.299 --> 00:18:10.039 at my wedding and i have to say despite all the 00:18:10.039 --> 00:18:12.460 other things they said about all the times i'd 00:18:12.460 --> 00:18:14.799 got paralysically drunk and vomited everywhere 00:18:14.799 --> 00:18:17.059 or whatever it was probably the most embarrassing 00:18:17.059 --> 00:18:19.059 thing they said in the uh in the best man speech 00:18:19.059 --> 00:18:22.099 and now i've just aired it on a podcast um So 00:18:22.099 --> 00:18:24.319 there you go. I mean, that was a simpler time, 00:18:24.519 --> 00:18:26.599 right? Now, these days, kids are doing the thing 00:18:26.599 --> 00:18:28.200 from weapons, right? Where they run with the 00:18:28.200 --> 00:18:32.859 arms to the side. Is that just the kids in weapons 00:18:32.859 --> 00:18:35.319 or is that? Who let their kids watch weapons? 00:18:35.779 --> 00:18:38.000 The amount of kids that are watching like stuff 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:40.319 you wouldn't believe. Right, yeah. As the only 00:18:40.319 --> 00:18:43.259 one here who's not a parent, I defer to you entirely 00:18:43.259 --> 00:18:45.140 on that one. I mean, my kids aren't. They're 00:18:45.140 --> 00:18:47.940 like, are you old enough to watch? Are you 15? 00:18:48.200 --> 00:18:51.019 No, you're not watching this then, are you? Very 00:18:51.019 --> 00:18:53.660 strict. It's a slippery slope though, because 00:18:53.660 --> 00:18:58.259 it's like my daughter's obsessed with K -pop 00:18:58.259 --> 00:19:02.900 demon hunters. Of course she is. And she's obviously 00:19:02.900 --> 00:19:05.619 not even at school yet. And that's a perfectly 00:19:05.619 --> 00:19:08.859 appropriate film really for that age. But it 00:19:08.859 --> 00:19:10.579 is all about, and I wasn't that bothered about 00:19:10.579 --> 00:19:12.180 this, but I think it alarmed my wife a little 00:19:12.180 --> 00:19:14.059 bit. It's obviously all about demons and killing 00:19:14.059 --> 00:19:16.559 the demons. And so very quickly, she's then talking 00:19:16.559 --> 00:19:18.769 about... I'm going to kill this. I'm going to 00:19:18.769 --> 00:19:20.930 kill this demon. I'm going to kill that. I'm 00:19:20.930 --> 00:19:22.509 going to kill the baddies. A lot of killing. 00:19:23.589 --> 00:19:25.809 Yeah, you do want to be careful because I was 00:19:25.809 --> 00:19:28.130 allowed to watch Buffy when I was around, like 00:19:28.130 --> 00:19:29.809 maybe a little bit older than that, around that 00:19:29.809 --> 00:19:31.069 age. And I grew up to be a games journalist. 00:19:31.329 --> 00:19:34.789 So you want to keep an eye on that. But then 00:19:34.789 --> 00:19:38.170 again, you know, a lot of six, seven year olds 00:19:38.170 --> 00:19:39.970 or whatever are watching Doctor Who and watching 00:19:39.970 --> 00:19:42.750 people get, well, not anymore, but were watching 00:19:42.750 --> 00:19:45.309 people get exterminated or whatever. So I suppose 00:19:45.309 --> 00:19:47.450 it's all the same. It's always been deemed family 00:19:47.450 --> 00:19:50.109 appropriate, right? Yeah. Where does Doctor Who 00:19:50.109 --> 00:19:52.970 get the pass? Doctor Who, The Predator, they're 00:19:52.970 --> 00:19:58.710 basically the same in my mind. Well, that actually, 00:19:58.849 --> 00:20:00.630 I would honestly, I stopped watching about five 00:20:00.630 --> 00:20:02.750 years ago. I would start watching again if that 00:20:02.750 --> 00:20:04.509 was the direction that they took with Doctor 00:20:04.509 --> 00:20:06.750 Who in the next, if there's a next series. Maybe 00:20:06.750 --> 00:20:10.970 Arnie should be the next. Let's start the petition. 00:20:11.549 --> 00:20:14.250 Yeah, I can. Something really left field to launch 00:20:14.250 --> 00:20:17.240 with the website, a petition. For that specific. 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:22.119 That's the big thing. About 15 years ago, websites 00:20:22.119 --> 00:20:26.059 were all about campaigns. Campaigns to get stuff 00:20:26.059 --> 00:20:31.039 happening. Like let's campaign to like reduce 00:20:31.039 --> 00:20:34.400 the price of video games by three pounds in the 00:20:34.400 --> 00:20:38.740 UK or get game to increase their trading prices. 00:20:39.299 --> 00:20:41.000 Big campaign. I don't think that's going to work 00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:43.099 anymore. Yeah, no, that's not going to happen, 00:20:43.119 --> 00:20:46.240 but we could. Cast the next Doctor Who. I believe 00:20:46.240 --> 00:20:50.400 in that. I could see Arnie. For me, it's Arnie 00:20:50.400 --> 00:20:52.799 or it's Ben Starr. That's the options. There 00:20:52.799 --> 00:20:55.519 you go. There's a plug. That's someone I'm sure 00:20:55.519 --> 00:20:59.960 who will come and join us at some stage. Yeah, 00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:03.900 it's... If you are famous and listening to this, 00:21:04.059 --> 00:21:07.839 someone might be. Make sure you don't just... 00:21:07.839 --> 00:21:09.859 It really bothers me when people do this, right? 00:21:09.940 --> 00:21:11.940 And maybe you've done this, so I apologise, but 00:21:11.940 --> 00:21:16.319 don't just like the post. on social media share 00:21:16.319 --> 00:21:20.279 it properly yeah i don't i don't if you're just 00:21:20.279 --> 00:21:22.359 a liker not a sharer i'm not i've got no time 00:21:22.359 --> 00:21:26.180 for you you know that's uh i wouldn't say no 00:21:26.180 --> 00:21:28.000 time we might want these people to give us something 00:21:28.000 --> 00:21:30.559 if you're okay fine if you're paying us as well 00:21:30.559 --> 00:21:33.359 fine do you remember that if you've made the 00:21:33.359 --> 00:21:36.140 sensible switch to blue sky from the old awful 00:21:36.140 --> 00:21:38.160 place then likes basically don't do anything 00:21:38.160 --> 00:21:40.000 on blue sky so you do need to share on blue sky 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:44.109 exactly is that true i'm only on blue sky Me 00:21:44.109 --> 00:21:46.910 too. I'm getting social media tips now. I'm only 00:21:46.910 --> 00:21:48.230 on this guy. That's the limit of my knowledge. 00:21:48.750 --> 00:21:50.750 Apart from when people shout at me about bugs 00:21:50.750 --> 00:21:52.410 on the website and then I have to go on extra 00:21:52.410 --> 00:21:54.589 reply from the brand account and go, we're trying 00:21:54.589 --> 00:21:58.309 to fix it. Which, you know, you might be experiencing. 00:21:58.470 --> 00:22:00.130 I'm sure I'll be experiencing some of that with 00:22:00.130 --> 00:22:03.130 this website when it launches. Anyway, we should 00:22:03.130 --> 00:22:04.450 probably talk a little bit about video games. 00:22:04.509 --> 00:22:06.269 Like I say, this is a pre -record, but there 00:22:06.269 --> 00:22:08.950 is some stuff. Oh crap, we have video games. 00:22:09.680 --> 00:22:11.259 there is some stuff we can talk about one thing 00:22:11.259 --> 00:22:14.779 i know i can talk about is um by the time this 00:22:14.779 --> 00:22:18.000 goes out live certainly uh the embargo will have 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:22.880 lifted on starfox which i have been playing um 00:22:22.880 --> 00:22:29.180 which i think is really good um it's really good 00:22:29.180 --> 00:22:30.779 but it's in fact i'm dressed appropriately i 00:22:30.779 --> 00:22:32.920 got a starfox t -shirt on which was not intentional 00:22:32.920 --> 00:22:35.799 but there you go um but that probably speaks 00:22:35.799 --> 00:22:38.579 to how much i like this franchise or some of 00:22:38.579 --> 00:22:44.200 it um and starbucks 64 is probably it's certainly 00:22:44.200 --> 00:22:48.039 in my top five games of all time um i think it's 00:22:48.039 --> 00:22:50.660 amazing and so it's a tall order to remake this 00:22:50.660 --> 00:22:53.539 game um and i guess what i'd say is there will 00:22:53.539 --> 00:22:55.079 there'll be a review on the site by the time 00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:59.140 this goes out but um i would sum it up as um 00:22:59.140 --> 00:23:05.099 it's the best looking game ever released by nintendo 00:23:05.680 --> 00:23:07.160 Now, there was a whole thing, obviously, this 00:23:07.160 --> 00:23:09.140 wasn't technically developed by Nintendo, developed 00:23:09.140 --> 00:23:12.500 by a US studio called Vellan Studios, and then 00:23:12.500 --> 00:23:15.700 there was another... Did they do the... Not the 00:23:15.700 --> 00:23:18.839 dodgeball game, like a multiplayer dodgeball 00:23:18.839 --> 00:23:21.680 game. Is that them? I know they did some VR... 00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:24.119 It was called, like, it was really good. My son 00:23:24.119 --> 00:23:26.180 was obsessed with it. It was like a multiplayer 00:23:26.180 --> 00:23:28.920 deathmatch dodgeball. No, they... I think it 00:23:28.920 --> 00:23:32.200 was them. Let's, um... I've derailed this terribly. 00:23:32.539 --> 00:23:34.019 No, it's a good... No, no, no. It's a good... 00:23:34.019 --> 00:23:37.000 Let's find out. Knockout City. Knockout City. 00:23:37.599 --> 00:23:39.299 That's it. Knockout City. It was really good 00:23:39.299 --> 00:23:42.839 and it died because I think someone dropped support 00:23:42.839 --> 00:23:44.480 and they just went independent and then it went 00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:47.000 downhill. But it was a very good game. Well, 00:23:47.019 --> 00:23:49.240 they did that Mario Kart as well. That was their 00:23:49.240 --> 00:23:51.539 first brush for Nintendo. They did that crazy 00:23:51.539 --> 00:23:55.980 Mario Kart where it was a physical kart you put 00:23:55.980 --> 00:23:58.220 down and you raced it through your house. So 00:23:58.220 --> 00:24:02.160 that was their first brush. um with nintendo 00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:05.720 um so yeah so the velan and then the cut scenes 00:24:05.720 --> 00:24:07.519 which are gorgeous as well was also done by us 00:24:07.519 --> 00:24:10.220 studio called waterproof and they did sort of 00:24:10.220 --> 00:24:12.700 like the cut scenes in mortal combat one and 00:24:12.700 --> 00:24:16.039 and hogwarts legacy and things like that um it's 00:24:16.039 --> 00:24:17.839 really good looking it's really cool i do really 00:24:17.839 --> 00:24:21.220 like those character designs um now they've grown 00:24:21.220 --> 00:24:25.700 on me um but there's challenges like the art 00:24:25.700 --> 00:24:31.319 style um the feedback is much They made it less 00:24:31.319 --> 00:24:33.420 gamey, I suppose, even though the game itself 00:24:33.420 --> 00:24:36.059 is identical. And so the feedback the game gives 00:24:36.059 --> 00:24:39.460 you is, I think, less potent than in the original. 00:24:39.619 --> 00:24:41.539 To give the really obvious example of when you 00:24:41.539 --> 00:24:45.700 do a barrel roll while a laser's hitting you 00:24:45.700 --> 00:24:48.839 in the N64 game, it makes a very distinct sort 00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:52.720 of noise of the lasers bouncing off. In this, 00:24:52.839 --> 00:24:56.150 there isn't a noise like that at all. You know, 00:24:56.150 --> 00:24:58.369 because I guess they've gone for this more grounded, 00:24:58.369 --> 00:25:01.170 realistic look. Or similarly, like when you got 00:25:01.170 --> 00:25:03.109 hit or when the bosses got hit, the vehicles 00:25:03.109 --> 00:25:05.789 would like really heavily shake and flash bright 00:25:05.789 --> 00:25:10.289 red, like arcade style. And all that sort of 00:25:10.289 --> 00:25:12.289 gone, which that one actually has a weird consequence 00:25:12.289 --> 00:25:15.309 because some of the bosses, it can be quite difficult 00:25:15.309 --> 00:25:18.789 to tell if you're hitting them in the correct 00:25:18.789 --> 00:25:22.269 space, in the correct place, because. When you 00:25:22.269 --> 00:25:25.789 had that big, very visible feedback, it was really 00:25:25.789 --> 00:25:28.390 obvious. And I was fine because I've played this 00:25:28.390 --> 00:25:31.769 game hundreds of times. But I'm curious how someone 00:25:31.769 --> 00:25:34.730 new is going to find it, if they're going to 00:25:34.730 --> 00:25:39.450 find some of the bosses a little bit difficult 00:25:39.450 --> 00:25:43.230 to initially puzzle out. But it's a really cool 00:25:43.230 --> 00:25:46.769 remit. And let me just dispel as well, there 00:25:46.769 --> 00:25:50.890 is no extra stuff. There is no hidden... extra 00:25:50.890 --> 00:25:54.509 character no hidden star wolf campaign no extra 00:25:54.509 --> 00:25:57.049 levels the multiplayer is completely different 00:25:57.049 --> 00:26:00.109 so there is that and it is quite good um but 00:26:00.109 --> 00:26:03.309 there's nothing new so you can dispel that thought 00:26:03.309 --> 00:26:05.410 from your mind this is a one -to -one remake 00:26:05.410 --> 00:26:08.430 the cut scenes are they are they new as in are 00:26:08.430 --> 00:26:10.410 they is that there's new writing and stuff or 00:26:10.410 --> 00:26:12.900 is it just exactly What was said previously? 00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:15.460 No, it's new. It's new. It's been rewritten. 00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:19.160 So before you started each level, you would have 00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:22.099 like a briefing with General Pepper where it'd 00:26:22.099 --> 00:26:24.259 just be like a static image of him where the 00:26:24.259 --> 00:26:26.099 mouth would flap and a static image of Fox where 00:26:26.099 --> 00:26:28.180 the mouth would flap. And they'd say one thing 00:26:28.180 --> 00:26:30.599 to each other, maybe two things, and then it 00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:33.779 would go to the mission. Now it's like... pepper's 00:26:33.779 --> 00:26:36.140 on like a holograph table in the middle of the 00:26:36.140 --> 00:26:38.180 common area of the great fox and the other guys 00:26:38.180 --> 00:26:40.059 are like you know falco's getting something out 00:26:40.059 --> 00:26:42.200 of the out of the fridge and chugging it while 00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:45.500 while fox is talking and then you know the missions 00:26:45.500 --> 00:26:47.900 get laid out the options when you've got more 00:26:47.900 --> 00:26:49.700 than one option peppy will go well we could go 00:26:49.700 --> 00:26:52.960 here we could go there they're not long um they're 00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:55.539 probably like two to three minutes per level 00:26:55.539 --> 00:26:59.069 but they're nice There's lots of little small 00:26:59.069 --> 00:27:01.130 changes as well. So Star Fox Series 4 has this 00:27:01.130 --> 00:27:02.549 thing going on. Obviously, you can take multiple 00:27:02.549 --> 00:27:05.890 routes through the galaxy to get to the end. 00:27:06.009 --> 00:27:08.190 And there's two versions of the final mission. 00:27:08.269 --> 00:27:10.309 And then which one you do depends on whether 00:27:10.309 --> 00:27:14.509 you get the true end or the normal fake end. 00:27:15.410 --> 00:27:17.430 In the original game, you would roll credits 00:27:17.430 --> 00:27:18.890 regardless of which you got. They've changed 00:27:18.890 --> 00:27:21.650 that so you don't get credits on the easy route. 00:27:21.829 --> 00:27:24.910 You only get a teaser which tells you that you 00:27:24.910 --> 00:27:28.339 need to go. to do the harder route in order to 00:27:28.339 --> 00:27:30.779 actually see the end of the story. So they've 00:27:30.779 --> 00:27:33.079 changed things. And the story stuff is mixed. 00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:36.339 I think the new voice cast is mostly great, but 00:27:36.339 --> 00:27:43.160 it's just different, I guess. So a really good 00:27:43.160 --> 00:27:47.500 example is there's a boss on Zone S, which is 00:27:47.500 --> 00:27:51.789 like a polluted water planet. In the original 00:27:51.789 --> 00:27:54.009 game, they give him a pirate voice and he's full 00:27:54.009 --> 00:27:58.450 on, he's doing all that. And they just don't, 00:27:58.450 --> 00:28:00.630 he doesn't have that in this. He's just more 00:28:00.630 --> 00:28:04.509 of a generic bad guy. Or like the boss of Meteor, 00:28:04.650 --> 00:28:07.769 halfway through that boss, he pretends to be 00:28:07.769 --> 00:28:10.849 defeated. He pretends to surrender. And in the 00:28:10.849 --> 00:28:13.650 original game, he sort of goes, you're no match 00:28:13.650 --> 00:28:17.049 for me in this really like sarcastic voice. I 00:28:17.049 --> 00:28:21.839 admit defeat. You can tell from the tone of his 00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:24.700 voice that he's lying and he's going to do a 00:28:24.700 --> 00:28:27.000 sneak attack on you. Whereas in this, they actually 00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:29.039 turn this guy into quite a good actor where he's 00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:31.700 like begging for his life with the line. It's 00:28:31.700 --> 00:28:33.900 the same line, but the performance completely 00:28:33.900 --> 00:28:37.259 switches it around. And it's like, it isn't one 00:28:37.259 --> 00:28:39.140 that is specifically better, but you're going 00:28:39.140 --> 00:28:41.180 to have a preference. And I think some of the 00:28:41.180 --> 00:28:42.920 line reads for me, some of the line reads are 00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:44.839 better. Some of them are worse. And Andross's 00:28:44.839 --> 00:28:48.970 voice, I think is great in this game. But yeah, 00:28:49.029 --> 00:28:51.170 I've really, really liked it. It's good. I don't 00:28:51.170 --> 00:28:52.430 know if you guys have any particular questions 00:28:52.430 --> 00:28:56.509 about it. Would you, if you were like, I'm going 00:28:56.509 --> 00:29:00.190 to play through Star Fox 64, would you choose 00:29:00.190 --> 00:29:03.089 to play through on the N64 version or this one? 00:29:04.690 --> 00:29:06.609 Jury's out a little bit. What I'd say is this, 00:29:06.710 --> 00:29:09.670 is I would, if it's casual play, I would choose 00:29:09.670 --> 00:29:11.950 to play this. I've got, I'm going on holiday 00:29:11.950 --> 00:29:14.329 in a few weeks and I'm quite looking forward 00:29:14.329 --> 00:29:17.349 to like. I was like, I've got a two -hour flight, 00:29:17.509 --> 00:29:20.710 and two hours is more or less two runs of Star 00:29:20.710 --> 00:29:22.789 Fox if you skip all the cut scenes. And I was 00:29:22.789 --> 00:29:25.369 like, I'm going to do two runs and see how high 00:29:25.369 --> 00:29:27.950 a score I can get. However, if I was like seriously 00:29:27.950 --> 00:29:29.829 score attacking, so this is actually, this is 00:29:29.829 --> 00:29:32.890 the thing I suppose, important context to me, 00:29:33.009 --> 00:29:37.509 is that I used to be super into this game. And 00:29:37.509 --> 00:29:40.890 by which I mean like I literally... used to like 00:29:40.890 --> 00:29:43.130 score attack it and had all the strats down and 00:29:43.130 --> 00:29:45.369 all that sort of stuff and like would post scores 00:29:45.369 --> 00:29:47.849 to websites that were like in the region of top 00:29:47.849 --> 00:29:51.369 50 or 50 or 60 people in the world at scoring 00:29:51.369 --> 00:29:53.769 in this game and if i was doing that i don't 00:29:53.769 --> 00:29:56.329 know what it is i feel like somehow weirdly the 00:29:56.329 --> 00:29:59.829 n64 version feels a little better i don't know 00:29:59.829 --> 00:30:02.829 if that's because i miss the slowdown this is 00:30:02.829 --> 00:30:06.539 beautiful silky frame rate but actually for a 00:30:06.539 --> 00:30:08.039 score attack and stuff a bit of slowdown can 00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:12.640 be quite nice i don't know if it's um the analog 00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:14.759 stick on the switch to i really need to try and 00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:16.779 play this with the nintendo 64 controller they 00:30:16.779 --> 00:30:19.539 have for switch to should do that before i write 00:30:19.539 --> 00:30:22.960 the review um but yeah so it's keep in mind i 00:30:22.960 --> 00:30:25.420 guess they had a clear mission with this which 00:30:25.420 --> 00:30:32.500 was that um they wanted to bring starfox to a 00:30:32.500 --> 00:30:34.400 newer audience after the mario movie and stuff 00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:36.440 like that and if you've never played one of these 00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:38.339 games before or you've only tangentially played 00:30:38.339 --> 00:30:41.099 it or maybe you played one of the newer crapper 00:30:41.099 --> 00:30:43.299 ones like you had the misfortune to try and zero 00:30:43.299 --> 00:30:46.960 on on wii u or whatever this is a perfect place 00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:49.299 to just come in that's what i'd say fantastic 00:30:49.299 --> 00:30:50.759 that was you've answered my questions really 00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:52.039 already because yeah as someone who completely 00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:54.640 missed starfox the first time around i was gonna 00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:57.220 ask is this like a good place for me to start 00:30:57.220 --> 00:31:00.069 but it sounds like that's a yes Yeah, it's good. 00:31:00.170 --> 00:31:03.329 It's 100%. And I'm really curious because obviously 00:31:03.329 --> 00:31:07.190 the rumors that revealed this game suggested 00:31:07.190 --> 00:31:09.950 that there was another Star Fox game in development, 00:31:10.109 --> 00:31:14.609 which also tallies with what I have heard. And 00:31:14.609 --> 00:31:16.809 so I'm very curious about how quickly that will, 00:31:16.910 --> 00:31:18.930 and that seems like it will be an original game 00:31:18.930 --> 00:31:20.869 rather than a remake. So I'm very curious about 00:31:20.869 --> 00:31:22.630 how quickly that might follow and what exactly 00:31:22.630 --> 00:31:25.140 that game might be. Will it be... another rail 00:31:25.140 --> 00:31:27.460 shooter? Will it be something more in the vein 00:31:27.460 --> 00:31:29.000 of Star Fox Adventures, which is a bit of a Zelda 00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:31.099 -like? Will it be something that sort of splits 00:31:31.099 --> 00:31:33.740 the difference and does a bit of both? It's definitely 00:31:33.740 --> 00:31:35.759 made me very excited for the future of the franchise. 00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:40.380 And also, one other thing I'll say is, if Nintendo's 00:31:40.380 --> 00:31:43.799 willing to do remakes like this, because I expect 00:31:43.799 --> 00:31:47.119 Zelda might be a bit different, but if Nintendo's 00:31:47.119 --> 00:31:48.859 willing to do remakes like this that are relatively 00:31:48.859 --> 00:31:52.039 one -to -one, one has to wonder, like, are we 00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:55.079 going to do F -Zero? Or, you know, Opens the 00:31:55.079 --> 00:31:59.720 door for some old IP, I think. Punch out? You 00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:04.940 could totally do those in this vein. This game, 00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:08.380 like, Star Fox 64 was a very different era, right? 00:32:08.500 --> 00:32:11.799 So, like you said, an hour to do a run -ish. 00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:15.200 Is that how, for people hearing that and going, 00:32:15.400 --> 00:32:19.819 40 quid or whatever, I don't know how much this 00:32:19.819 --> 00:32:24.519 is, 40, 50 quid. What is the appeal of this? 00:32:24.619 --> 00:32:26.960 Why are you getting your money's worth for this, 00:32:27.079 --> 00:32:29.880 even though it is a short run game? So a run 00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:34.059 is, how many levels is a run? A run is, I'm just 00:32:34.059 --> 00:32:37.480 counting it in my brain. It would be one, two, 00:32:37.660 --> 00:32:39.180 now I'm counting it out loud. One, two, three, 00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:43.220 four, five, six. So a run is seven levels and 00:32:43.220 --> 00:32:47.420 the game has like 16 levels, I think, off the 00:32:47.420 --> 00:32:53.210 top of my head. Yeah, that's right. There's all 00:32:53.210 --> 00:32:54.789 sorts of routes you can take through. There's 00:32:54.789 --> 00:33:00.150 hidden paths to find. There's a difference between 00:33:00.150 --> 00:33:02.849 mission complete and mission accomplished. So 00:33:02.849 --> 00:33:05.569 if you do a level to the standard of mission 00:33:05.569 --> 00:33:09.630 complete, you might be sent down one path. If 00:33:09.630 --> 00:33:11.150 you do a level to the standard of mission accomplished, 00:33:11.250 --> 00:33:14.690 you might be sent to another path. And also it's 00:33:14.690 --> 00:33:17.390 an arcade style rail shooter. So the idea is 00:33:17.390 --> 00:33:20.319 you do go through. over and over again and try 00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:22.579 and get the high scores on levels try and score 00:33:22.579 --> 00:33:24.859 medals on each level which is when you get a 00:33:24.859 --> 00:33:28.180 certain score threshold which is relatively challenging 00:33:28.180 --> 00:33:32.339 or in some cases very challenging to hit um so 00:33:32.339 --> 00:33:34.339 there's a lot of replay value but you do have 00:33:34.339 --> 00:33:36.359 to understand you are going to be replaying the 00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:40.599 same some relatively samey stuff quite a lot 00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:42.339 of times but that is sort of the beauty of it 00:33:42.339 --> 00:33:44.799 it's a game that you want to master over time 00:33:44.799 --> 00:33:48.099 and I wrote an article about this years and years 00:33:48.099 --> 00:33:50.660 ago on VG247 saying like, and I think I wrote 00:33:50.660 --> 00:33:53.039 it in the context of Star Fox as well, saying 00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:55.200 like, it's time for everyone to admit that it's 00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:59.359 okay for games to be short. Like, and I'm sure 00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:00.720 you talked about this earlier, Rebecca, with 00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:03.339 short indie games. 100%. Yeah. You'll never hear 00:34:03.339 --> 00:34:05.099 me argue against short games. It's as long as 00:34:05.099 --> 00:34:07.299 it needs to be. That's the important thing. Yeah. 00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:09.500 Yeah. Like this doesn't outstage welcome. It's 00:34:09.500 --> 00:34:12.960 fun. And actually when you finish a run, you're 00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:15.519 going to finish it and go. I want to run through 00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:17.079 that again. I want to see different levels. I 00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:18.940 want to see different interactions. Oh, Pepe 00:34:18.940 --> 00:34:20.300 got downed in that mission. I want to get through 00:34:20.300 --> 00:34:21.960 that mission with him alive to see what he says 00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:24.320 in the next mission, whatever, whatever. And 00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:26.599 so you'll want to play it again. Whereas Star 00:34:26.599 --> 00:34:29.860 Fox Zero was a game they paddied with loads of 00:34:29.860 --> 00:34:33.079 crap in order to make it longer. And I finished 00:34:33.079 --> 00:34:34.960 it and thought, I never want to play that again. 00:34:35.619 --> 00:34:38.019 And so I think that's the difference. And I just 00:34:38.019 --> 00:34:40.019 checked, sorry, it is actually, so on Amazon 00:34:40.019 --> 00:34:44.110 right now, it's 42 quid, which I think is. pretty 00:34:44.110 --> 00:34:47.230 reasonable to be fair um for what it is that 00:34:47.230 --> 00:34:48.909 that's probably like i think i probably paid 00:34:48.909 --> 00:34:52.349 70 for the n64 version back because it came with 00:34:52.349 --> 00:34:54.190 the bloody did it always come with a rumble pack 00:34:54.190 --> 00:34:56.650 yeah yeah yeah well i don't know maybe they released 00:34:56.650 --> 00:35:00.130 it without after but i definitely had the the 00:35:00.130 --> 00:35:02.389 the big box with the rumble pack in it i've still 00:35:02.389 --> 00:35:08.070 got it somewhere um yeah it's it's it's it's 00:35:08.070 --> 00:35:11.010 good um the rumble pack that needed batteries 00:35:11.010 --> 00:35:14.179 for no reason so it's such a weird Do you know 00:35:14.179 --> 00:35:17.179 that? It's true. No. I didn't know that. Well, 00:35:17.260 --> 00:35:19.239 actually, it's not no reason. So I've actually 00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:21.679 got a rumble pack, like a prototype rumble pack 00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:24.840 that doesn't require a battery that I bought 00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:27.579 off eBay years ago. But the reason the rumble 00:35:27.579 --> 00:35:30.159 pack has a battery is because it would work with 00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:32.920 one, with two, with three. But if you had four 00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:35.719 controllers plugged into N64, all with battery 00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:38.119 -free rumble packs, it would draw too much power 00:35:38.119 --> 00:35:40.409 and it would damage the system. So that's the 00:35:40.409 --> 00:35:42.389 only reason that they all have battery packs. 00:35:42.829 --> 00:35:45.670 There's your fun retrofactor for the day. Sort 00:35:45.670 --> 00:35:48.349 of a crazy, how much money did I spend on AAAs 00:35:48.349 --> 00:35:53.469 for no reason? But yeah. What have you guys been 00:35:53.469 --> 00:35:57.170 playing? Tom, would you like to go or shall I 00:35:57.170 --> 00:36:01.469 jump in? I'm trying to think because when I had 00:36:01.469 --> 00:36:05.909 my another midlife crisis without a job, I was 00:36:05.909 --> 00:36:08.889 like... fuck video games i'm not touching them 00:36:08.889 --> 00:36:11.090 for ages and i literally didn't play a game for 00:36:11.090 --> 00:36:14.250 i don't know eight weeks or something and then 00:36:14.250 --> 00:36:17.269 and then alex and me had the conversation i was 00:36:17.269 --> 00:36:20.570 like please give me some work and then i started 00:36:20.570 --> 00:36:24.809 playing so i played i played um pragmata which 00:36:24.809 --> 00:36:29.469 i really enjoyed i played forza which is forza 00:36:29.469 --> 00:36:36.929 good um i played um saros which again Like I 00:36:36.929 --> 00:36:39.610 didn't, I could go on with a returnal because 00:36:39.610 --> 00:36:44.389 it was just, just too hard. Like I couldn't dedicate 00:36:44.389 --> 00:36:46.730 enough time for the amount of time I was doing 00:36:46.730 --> 00:36:50.030 essentially nothing because I kept making no 00:36:50.030 --> 00:36:52.289 progress. Whereas I think Saros, I think some 00:36:52.289 --> 00:36:53.829 people don't like it as much because of this, 00:36:53.889 --> 00:36:56.949 but I feel like progression in it is a lot easier. 00:36:57.409 --> 00:36:59.389 So even though it is hard and I still am not 00:36:59.389 --> 00:37:02.849 amazing at it, but it is a game that you can. 00:37:03.360 --> 00:37:05.679 get somewhere with so I think if you are thinking 00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:08.280 like Returnal wasn't for me as much like I see 00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:10.619 why people love Returnal and I like playing it 00:37:10.619 --> 00:37:13.219 in the moment like moment to moment it's a great 00:37:13.219 --> 00:37:15.739 game to play but I don't like playing it in like 00:37:15.739 --> 00:37:17.980 a I've put all this time into it and I've literally 00:37:17.980 --> 00:37:21.699 got nowhere whereas Saros gets over that but 00:37:21.699 --> 00:37:25.099 at the same time the story in Returnal even though 00:37:25.099 --> 00:37:27.059 I didn't see all of it was far more interesting 00:37:27.059 --> 00:37:29.719 like what they were doing with it was more in 00:37:29.719 --> 00:37:31.239 game I wish I could have seen more of it rather 00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:33.500 than looking at like youtube videos and stuff 00:37:33.500 --> 00:37:36.679 um rosaros i didn't get that i didn't get the 00:37:36.679 --> 00:37:41.280 same sort of desire to see where it was going 00:37:41.280 --> 00:37:44.480 as much you you could see it because i could 00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:46.699 progress better um yeah that's what i've been 00:37:46.699 --> 00:37:50.539 playing mostly um and it's like yeah it's nice 00:37:50.539 --> 00:37:54.340 to have games to play that like are good there's 00:37:54.340 --> 00:37:55.960 a lot of good games around at the moment bit 00:37:55.960 --> 00:37:59.119 of a lull june i think but i've obviously got 00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:02.699 um starfox very soon or out now if you're listening 00:38:02.699 --> 00:38:05.340 to this when it's been released but yeah i i 00:38:05.340 --> 00:38:08.599 played a game recently that i i think it came 00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:11.360 to switch or switch to it's called um parking 00:38:11.360 --> 00:38:15.760 garage rally circuit or something like that but 00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:20.119 it abbreviates to pgr um and it's it's like a 00:38:20.119 --> 00:38:25.139 a retro style rally racer set in parking multi 00:38:25.139 --> 00:38:27.460 -story parking garages i saw this it looks like 00:38:27.460 --> 00:38:29.780 a saturn game doesn't it yeah and it's deliberately 00:38:29.780 --> 00:38:32.619 styled like a saturn game you can obviously make 00:38:32.619 --> 00:38:35.460 it look like a more modern sort of basic looking 00:38:35.460 --> 00:38:37.920 pc game but it's much more interesting to look 00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:40.480 at if you play it in like the low res wobbly 00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:43.559 textures and all this kind of stuff and it looks 00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:45.639 really authentic as much you can make those kind 00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:47.920 of things look authentic on a modern display 00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:50.659 or whatever um it's really fun like it just handles 00:38:50.659 --> 00:38:54.199 like you expect an old school rally arcade game 00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:57.519 to handle um and it's got a load of like far 00:38:57.519 --> 00:38:59.480 more content than you'd get if you bought a sound 00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:01.599 game like we've got three tracks whatever this 00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:04.380 has got way more um there's a dlc pack out now 00:39:04.380 --> 00:39:06.199 as well i think um it's really good and it's 00:39:06.199 --> 00:39:08.780 cheap and it's fun and it nice soundtrack and 00:39:08.780 --> 00:39:11.679 it just feels like that kind of you get a lot 00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:14.579 of these like retro styled games that don't feel 00:39:14.579 --> 00:39:17.750 exactly apart from the visuals, but this actually 00:39:17.750 --> 00:39:20.309 feels like a proper, like if it'd been released 00:39:20.309 --> 00:39:21.929 on the Saturn, you'd be like, yeah, it's a Saturn 00:39:21.929 --> 00:39:24.210 game. Is it an indie? I forget who publishes 00:39:24.210 --> 00:39:28.030 it. It's by like, what are they called? It's 00:39:28.030 --> 00:39:30.610 not this, but something like Warble. Oh, okay. 00:39:30.650 --> 00:39:34.170 Something like that. They made... Wallaber. Wallaber. 00:39:34.250 --> 00:39:36.789 That's the one. That sounds Australian to me. 00:39:37.210 --> 00:39:39.789 I can't remember if they made something really 00:39:39.789 --> 00:39:43.659 like... notable like jelly car or something maybe 00:39:43.659 --> 00:39:45.980 something like that jelly car worlds and replica 00:39:45.980 --> 00:39:49.039 cube i played replica cube that was fun so yeah 00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:51.420 it's um but i recommend it a lot if you're into 00:39:51.420 --> 00:39:55.159 like arcade racing games it's i had it i've got 00:39:55.159 --> 00:39:56.900 it on my steam deck it's the kind of game that 00:39:56.900 --> 00:39:59.380 you just play and it works really works really 00:39:59.380 --> 00:40:05.559 well yeah nice we I don't know. I feel like, 00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:08.980 is there more to go or should I jump in? I'm 00:40:08.980 --> 00:40:13.280 done. That's fair. Yeah, well, I kind of had 00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:15.920 the great good fortune that the week off I had 00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:18.420 between finishing at IGN and sort of starting 00:40:18.420 --> 00:40:21.800 with Respec stuff was SGF week. So I, for the 00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:23.920 first time in a long time, didn't have to pay 00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:26.670 any attention or do anything for SGF. Took full 00:40:26.670 --> 00:40:28.690 advantage of by not really watching any showcases, 00:40:28.690 --> 00:40:31.250 except I watched Nintendo Direct because someone 00:40:31.250 --> 00:40:32.949 told me Ace 27 was going to be announced and 00:40:32.949 --> 00:40:38.369 I fell for it. It didn't happen. Maybe TGS. Feels 00:40:38.369 --> 00:40:40.610 like it's time. Maybe. I've got a piece to go 00:40:40.610 --> 00:40:42.050 up on the site about it. And honestly, I'm a 00:40:42.050 --> 00:40:43.769 little bit terrified that between me writing 00:40:43.769 --> 00:40:46.539 it and... the site going live, it will get announced 00:40:46.539 --> 00:40:48.780 just to screw me over personally now that I've 00:40:48.780 --> 00:40:50.920 made the whole point. Capcom like a show, man. 00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:54.679 They like it. It feels like the sort of announcement 00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:57.039 that maybe fits it because they're not going 00:40:57.039 --> 00:40:59.579 to do the Game Awards, are they? The Game Awards 00:40:59.579 --> 00:41:00.599 doesn't seem like they're at home for it, but 00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:02.000 there'll be another Nintendo Direct in November, 00:41:02.219 --> 00:41:06.059 I think. So there's a couple more opportunities. 00:41:06.300 --> 00:41:08.800 I do kind of think that another Ace Attorney 00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:10.699 game might be announced this year. I feel like 00:41:10.699 --> 00:41:12.619 that it's around time now. Whether it will be 00:41:12.619 --> 00:41:13.960 mainline or whether it will be a spin -off, I 00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:16.639 don't know. On the topic of Capcom, I just want 00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:19.659 to say I'm fascinated coming out of SGF because 00:41:19.659 --> 00:41:22.059 I was really interested that they announced Monster 00:41:22.059 --> 00:41:25.599 Hunter and Veronica, Resident Evil Veronica, 00:41:25.719 --> 00:41:29.000 because Capcom always have something at the Game 00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:32.650 Awards every year. That's a good point. What 00:41:32.650 --> 00:41:35.590 could it be? I thought they'd announce Monster 00:41:35.590 --> 00:41:41.929 Hunter at SGF and then have Veronica at the Game 00:41:41.929 --> 00:41:44.110 Awards all the other way around. But now they've 00:41:44.110 --> 00:41:46.329 blown both of those. I'm like, do you just have 00:41:46.329 --> 00:41:47.809 a nice trailer for Monster Hunter or something 00:41:47.809 --> 00:41:49.829 at the Game Awards? Or Veronica or whatever? 00:41:49.969 --> 00:41:53.550 Or do they have another game up their sleeve? 00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:56.420 And I was trying to think what it could be because 00:41:56.420 --> 00:41:58.860 Ace Attorney is on that list. Maybe a Dead Rising 00:41:58.860 --> 00:42:03.760 2 deluxe remaster. Yeah. I think we'll get another 00:42:03.760 --> 00:42:05.860 remaster from them before we get a new Dead Rising. 00:42:05.900 --> 00:42:07.639 I think they'll do DR2 because that one's so 00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:10.280 beloved. So anyway, I'm curious. I've been thinking 00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:14.400 about that a lot. My biases aside, I think that 00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:16.159 Ace Attorney is more likely to show up at Gamescom 00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:18.860 than at the Game Awards. I feel like that's more 00:42:18.860 --> 00:42:22.119 of a... yeah oh yeah 100 % or like TGS like I 00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:24.559 say yeah that's true it's just I know it's like 00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:26.320 it's one of their top 10 franchises but it's 00:42:26.320 --> 00:42:28.179 not in their top five I think so kind of in terms 00:42:28.179 --> 00:42:30.719 of how they market them I think a mid -year announcement 00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:33.260 for quite a rapid release is usually how they're 00:42:33.260 --> 00:42:35.920 certainly with the um all the recent remasters 00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:37.780 they've been doing it's sort of been like announced 00:42:37.780 --> 00:42:40.199 a fairly prestigious showcase and then released 00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:41.599 a couple of months later is kind of the rhythm 00:42:41.599 --> 00:42:44.320 that they've got into largely with it so I definitely 00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:47.219 feel like seven was announced so I definitely 00:42:47.219 --> 00:42:49.380 feel like Seven was announced at TGS. I definitely 00:42:49.380 --> 00:42:53.159 feel like that's what I remember. I really vividly 00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:55.780 remember that trailer for Seven with the Seven's 00:42:55.780 --> 00:42:57.559 cornered music in it, which was really good. 00:42:58.199 --> 00:43:00.239 Oh, well, I'm just like super excited, but obviously 00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:02.619 like it just keeps not happening to a hilarious 00:43:02.619 --> 00:43:04.300 degree. So the funniest thing to do now would 00:43:04.300 --> 00:43:05.900 be to announce it so that it really screws over 00:43:05.900 --> 00:43:07.400 my launch coverage for Reese Bag. That would 00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:09.940 be obviously good. Well, I hope not. Hopefully 00:43:09.940 --> 00:43:12.610 not, but it would be quite funny. But in terms 00:43:12.610 --> 00:43:14.210 of what I've been playing, I've taken the opportunity 00:43:14.210 --> 00:43:16.070 to go back over the things I was excited for 00:43:16.070 --> 00:43:17.349 earlier in the year that I've not really had 00:43:17.349 --> 00:43:18.590 a chance to play because I've been too busy with 00:43:18.590 --> 00:43:20.809 work. So I just finished Life is Strange Reunion 00:43:20.809 --> 00:43:23.369 and I've started Dark Pictures Directive 8020, 00:43:23.570 --> 00:43:27.070 which are very me games. Those are both franchises 00:43:27.070 --> 00:43:29.610 that I have been deep into for a long, long time. 00:43:31.070 --> 00:43:34.150 Life is Strange Reunion is like such a cursed 00:43:34.150 --> 00:43:38.469 one to talk about in a lot of ways. I really 00:43:38.469 --> 00:43:40.989 want to be generous, but honest. And I would 00:43:40.989 --> 00:43:43.230 say that it's the one in the franchise I've enjoyed 00:43:43.230 --> 00:43:45.429 the least. It's probably the first Life is Strange 00:43:45.429 --> 00:43:47.250 game where I've got more bad things to say than 00:43:47.250 --> 00:43:51.809 good. I think that the play for nostalgia was 00:43:51.809 --> 00:43:54.230 misguided, but that the original stuff they're 00:43:54.230 --> 00:43:56.269 doing is still really exciting. And I hope that 00:43:56.269 --> 00:43:58.929 despite the last couple of games being a bit 00:43:58.929 --> 00:44:03.679 divisive. To be generous. I hope that they get 00:44:03.679 --> 00:44:05.760 funding to do more anthology style stuff like 00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:07.380 they were doing with Life is Strange 2 and True 00:44:07.380 --> 00:44:10.460 Colors because that I think is where it was always 00:44:10.460 --> 00:44:13.440 more interesting. I don't think you can afford 00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:16.159 to keep making the conclusion to Max and Chloe's 00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:18.260 story every 10 years whenever you need to sort 00:44:18.260 --> 00:44:19.719 of draw the original audience back in. Please, 00:44:19.900 --> 00:44:21.440 please don't do it again in 10 years, please. 00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:25.800 It's enough. Having them as pensioners. Oh, goodness. 00:44:26.199 --> 00:44:28.380 Actually, I don't know. Maybe that, no, because 00:44:28.380 --> 00:44:29.940 they would still act like teenagers, which is 00:44:29.940 --> 00:44:31.119 one of the things that really bothered me in 00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:33.340 Reunion is that they're meant to be like 30 years 00:44:33.340 --> 00:44:37.119 old and they just have Max more so than Chloe, 00:44:37.219 --> 00:44:38.340 I think, in the way that they're written, but 00:44:38.340 --> 00:44:41.000 not really grown enough as people, in my opinion, 00:44:41.019 --> 00:44:44.960 to sort of like, yeah, it was very, you liked 00:44:44.960 --> 00:44:46.920 the teen romance, so they're still going to be. 00:44:47.750 --> 00:44:49.750 teenagers when it comes to romance i'm like no 00:44:49.750 --> 00:44:52.309 you're 30 stop being embarrassed like cringing 00:44:52.309 --> 00:44:56.829 for you at this point like oh my god but it's 00:44:56.829 --> 00:44:58.269 a shame because it really overshadows that that 00:44:58.269 --> 00:45:01.030 the work that um deck nine who've taken over 00:45:01.030 --> 00:45:02.510 from don't not obviously with the series are 00:45:02.510 --> 00:45:05.449 they their new cast work you know the way that 00:45:05.449 --> 00:45:07.550 they can build up a large ensemble with very 00:45:07.550 --> 00:45:08.869 little run -up and make all those characters 00:45:08.869 --> 00:45:10.889 that i really care about is so good and i think 00:45:10.889 --> 00:45:13.289 that to see all those like you know a dozen or 00:45:13.289 --> 00:45:14.989 so major characters overshadowed by like the 00:45:14.989 --> 00:45:17.690 returning protagonists was a It was a real shame. 00:45:18.730 --> 00:45:22.130 I've not played any of these games, but in my 00:45:22.130 --> 00:45:25.730 head, I have played Mixtape, right? In my head, 00:45:25.730 --> 00:45:27.969 they're like Mixtape. Are they like Mixtape? 00:45:28.170 --> 00:45:29.590 I haven't played Mixtape yet, but from what I 00:45:29.590 --> 00:45:31.309 understand, Mixtape is very much being given 00:45:31.309 --> 00:45:37.000 the Life is Strange -like sort of label. which 00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:38.579 I think you are now starting to see like smaller 00:45:38.579 --> 00:45:41.139 indie takes on the sort of genre of this like, 00:45:41.239 --> 00:45:43.019 oh, it's like quite a navel -gazy coming -of 00:45:43.019 --> 00:45:45.260 -age story with like very nice music and sort 00:45:45.260 --> 00:45:47.840 of like very pleasant graphics, but kind of some 00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:49.599 hard -hitting emotional themes. That's like A 00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:51.039 Life is Strange, right? It's been around for 00:45:51.039 --> 00:45:53.340 11 years now as a franchise, so it's had time 00:45:53.340 --> 00:45:57.480 to kind of spawn its own successes. I think so. 00:45:57.820 --> 00:46:02.840 Is the difference between them that... Life is 00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:04.579 Strange, especially when that first one came 00:46:04.579 --> 00:46:07.139 out, it was really like of the moment. People 00:46:07.139 --> 00:46:10.480 who were the same age as Max and Chloe saw themselves 00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:14.940 in that game. Yeah. Whereas mixtape is more, 00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:19.699 I think it's speaking to people right in Tom's 00:46:19.699 --> 00:46:22.820 age in a weird way with this weird 90s nostalgia. 00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:26.440 I don't know. Or is that speaking to young people? 00:46:26.519 --> 00:46:29.960 I don't know. I really don't. I need to. I really 00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:31.239 need to play Mixtape. That's kind of one of the 00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:32.539 next things on my list of things to play. I'm 00:46:32.539 --> 00:46:35.480 interested to see because I, you know, despite 00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:37.599 my youthful appearance, we're actually quite 00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:39.320 a similar age. So I'd be interested to see how 00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:41.480 the 90s nostalgia of Mixtape kind of hits me. 00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:45.159 I really like Mixtape. I know everyone loved 00:46:45.159 --> 00:46:47.179 it. And then there was a wave of, actually, it's 00:46:47.179 --> 00:46:49.400 not that good. Yeah, that was really, that discourse 00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:52.519 was weird to follow as someone who hadn't gone 00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:54.679 around to the game. I mean, I can't relate to 00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:57.159 anyone in it, but I don't care. Like I can relate 00:46:57.159 --> 00:47:01.090 to, I can. but i can see through their eyes how 00:47:01.090 --> 00:47:03.130 they are experiencing the story i don't have 00:47:03.130 --> 00:47:04.809 to relate to every single person it's something 00:47:04.809 --> 00:47:07.530 i watch um that's definitely true like i just 00:47:07.530 --> 00:47:11.150 i just like i enjoyed it it's a fun game with 00:47:11.150 --> 00:47:13.849 a lot of like cool little moments in it and it 00:47:13.849 --> 00:47:17.190 felt a bit like like it's it's a kind of like 00:47:17.190 --> 00:47:20.170 if you go like this is a terrible comparison 00:47:20.170 --> 00:47:22.190 but something like wario ware right where it's 00:47:22.190 --> 00:47:25.269 a lot of mini games that are silly but make that 00:47:25.269 --> 00:47:29.300 for people that are like into a bit more serious 00:47:29.300 --> 00:47:32.480 stuff and it's like that's it feels like it's 00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:37.380 just a it's like a a fun story about some teenagers 00:47:37.380 --> 00:47:40.460 with some fairly interesting mini games and like 00:47:40.460 --> 00:47:42.599 there's a bit where you just throw stones in 00:47:42.599 --> 00:47:45.579 a lake and i probably did that about half an 00:47:45.579 --> 00:47:47.980 hour yeah throwing these stones and you make 00:47:47.980 --> 00:47:50.400 them bounce and you hit all the you can hit loads 00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:51.940 of different stuff in this lake and it makes 00:47:51.940 --> 00:47:55.349 something else pop up and i just i was like i'm 00:47:55.349 --> 00:47:56.909 unemployed i might as well just do this all day 00:47:56.909 --> 00:47:59.329 if i want i mean and it was fun and it's got 00:47:59.329 --> 00:48:02.369 music in it that is good like i'm not like a 00:48:02.369 --> 00:48:05.530 big music guy but it's got music that i recognize 00:48:05.530 --> 00:48:07.409 some i didn't but it all sounded pretty good 00:48:07.409 --> 00:48:09.710 it's got some music from the transformers movie 00:48:09.710 --> 00:48:12.130 in it 10 out of 10 i mean what else do you need 00:48:12.130 --> 00:48:16.369 i mean that is the question that is the question 00:48:16.369 --> 00:48:18.170 i think came up with mixtape a lot is is the 00:48:18.170 --> 00:48:21.300 idea of like is it meant to be nostalgia for 00:48:21.300 --> 00:48:23.380 the audience or is it the devs enjoying their 00:48:23.380 --> 00:48:25.320 own experience of nostalgia and then communicating 00:48:25.320 --> 00:48:28.119 that to an audience so you know it's an invitation 00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:31.079 to empathize without it needing to be your experience 00:48:31.079 --> 00:48:33.219 which i strongly think i mean nobody can make 00:48:33.219 --> 00:48:36.860 art without bringing their own perspective to 00:48:36.860 --> 00:48:39.099 it right there's no there's no and there's no 00:48:39.099 --> 00:48:40.659 expectation when i play life is strange like 00:48:40.659 --> 00:48:43.300 i didn't grow up in washington you know i didn't 00:48:43.300 --> 00:48:46.420 i don't have the amazing twin peaks like rural 00:48:46.420 --> 00:48:48.699 mountain memories of childhood i'm from them 00:48:48.699 --> 00:48:52.239 in leicester but you know that those the the 00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:54.500 sort of like emotional core and and the ability 00:48:54.500 --> 00:48:55.780 to empathize with the character and like the 00:48:55.780 --> 00:48:57.280 invitation as well i think it's really interesting 00:48:57.280 --> 00:48:59.539 that you mentioned the skipping stones minigame 00:48:59.539 --> 00:49:01.500 like the invitation to do something quite contemplative 00:49:01.500 --> 00:49:04.559 i would say is another big hallmark of this genre 00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:07.619 of games and so yeah that that sounds like a 00:49:07.619 --> 00:49:10.059 that sounds like a very life is strange like 00:49:10.059 --> 00:49:12.639 to me i would say if you were looking to play 00:49:12.639 --> 00:49:14.360 more in the same genre and you weren't sure where 00:49:14.360 --> 00:49:16.500 to start particularly with life is strange if 00:49:16.500 --> 00:49:18.670 you never played it Try The Awesome Adventures 00:49:18.670 --> 00:49:21.889 of Captain Spirit. It's a free, short demo for 00:49:21.889 --> 00:49:24.130 Life is Strange 2. I love it. It's one of my 00:49:24.130 --> 00:49:25.949 favorite games in the series. It's adorable. 00:49:26.090 --> 00:49:28.090 It's like two hours long. You play as a little 00:49:28.090 --> 00:49:29.670 boy on a Saturday morning just trying to have 00:49:29.670 --> 00:49:32.309 a Saturday morning slightly interrupted by superpowers 00:49:32.309 --> 00:49:33.789 because that's what Life is Strange does. It's 00:49:33.789 --> 00:49:37.250 a lovely game. Yeah, I'd give that a shot after 00:49:37.250 --> 00:49:38.650 mixtape, I think, if you're looking for more. 00:49:40.070 --> 00:49:42.849 Yes, and then, of course, Directivator 20, which 00:49:42.849 --> 00:49:44.929 I've only got two chapters in, but I'm enjoying. 00:49:45.699 --> 00:49:48.159 sci -fi horror it's weird that series isn't it 00:49:48.159 --> 00:49:50.699 because i've i think like i think you said you 00:49:50.699 --> 00:49:52.480 played all of those games i think i have as well 00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:55.360 yeah and every time i'm like this is all right 00:49:55.360 --> 00:49:58.980 but it's never like i'm all like i loved the 00:49:58.980 --> 00:50:01.000 original until dawn right it was like and maybe 00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:03.199 it's like of the time like it was it came like 00:50:03.199 --> 00:50:07.139 slightly surprised that it was so good um but 00:50:07.139 --> 00:50:09.900 i think back fondly on that and like as a really 00:50:09.900 --> 00:50:11.860 like cool game that i really enjoyed playing 00:50:11.860 --> 00:50:14.900 and then obviously these games sort of trying 00:50:14.900 --> 00:50:19.119 to be like that but also not quite and they're 00:50:19.119 --> 00:50:22.559 all like fine like i've enjoyed them mostly but 00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:24.639 they've never quite been like i don't know what 00:50:24.639 --> 00:50:26.980 it is but they haven't quite been as engaging 00:50:26.980 --> 00:50:30.059 as that was and i can't really explain why maybe 00:50:30.059 --> 00:50:32.440 you can because you are oh maybe i can maybe 00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:34.900 i mean for me it's like one of the big complaints 00:50:34.900 --> 00:50:36.900 i see about everything post until dawn is that 00:50:36.900 --> 00:50:39.780 it's not really scary um and i was even though 00:50:39.780 --> 00:50:41.440 i'm a big horror fan i'm kind of not playing 00:50:42.010 --> 00:50:44.150 these games because i want to be scared i think 00:50:44.150 --> 00:50:46.789 they occupy a different space in my brain um 00:50:46.789 --> 00:50:48.510 and maybe it's the guides writer and me coming 00:50:48.510 --> 00:50:51.230 back out because i just love the working out 00:50:51.230 --> 00:50:53.309 all the paths i love the first run through the 00:50:53.309 --> 00:50:54.690 story where you don't know what's going on you're 00:50:54.690 --> 00:50:56.750 like playing a movie that you get to decide the 00:50:56.750 --> 00:50:58.389 outcome that's just a nice one -off experience 00:50:58.389 --> 00:51:01.090 but then for me going back and just trying on 00:51:01.090 --> 00:51:03.289 and like really working out down to like this 00:51:03.289 --> 00:51:05.670 point of like okay if i do this interaction five 00:51:05.670 --> 00:51:08.630 hours later this will come up and the the sense 00:51:08.630 --> 00:51:11.130 of accomplishment of kind of being able to deconstruct 00:51:11.800 --> 00:51:15.059 A sort of narrative tree like that is something 00:51:15.059 --> 00:51:16.460 that I really enjoy. And the character work, 00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:19.280 again, I think is usually quite good. I think 00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:23.079 they've come along quite a bit in how they kind 00:51:23.079 --> 00:51:25.780 of write beyond this. Because until Dawn, they're 00:51:25.780 --> 00:51:27.539 all like real stereotypes. And then they sort 00:51:27.539 --> 00:51:30.179 of start to build into more interesting facets 00:51:30.179 --> 00:51:32.679 of the characters as the game goes on. And I 00:51:32.679 --> 00:51:34.719 think they've got a bit more confident and more 00:51:34.719 --> 00:51:37.619 experienced in kind of fleshing out those characters. 00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:40.610 So they're just entertaining to... to be around. 00:51:40.989 --> 00:51:44.070 But yeah, with Directive H20 in particular, obviously 00:51:44.070 --> 00:51:46.809 there's been like a huge break. The last dot 00:51:46.809 --> 00:51:49.030 pictures game came out in 2022. So it's been, 00:51:49.190 --> 00:51:52.269 I don't, I can't even do the maths on that. It's 00:51:52.269 --> 00:51:54.130 just a different life entirely. Is that three 00:51:54.130 --> 00:51:56.269 and a half years? Three and a half years maybe 00:51:56.269 --> 00:51:58.809 since the last one. And they've clearly tried 00:51:58.809 --> 00:52:01.610 to do a bit more broad appeal. They're kind of 00:52:01.610 --> 00:52:03.269 leaning into the stealth section. I hate stealth. 00:52:03.389 --> 00:52:06.090 Stealth is my least favorite thing to do in a 00:52:06.090 --> 00:52:08.909 video game. Maybe, is it worse than dodge parrying? 00:52:09.579 --> 00:52:11.440 It's hard to decide which is worse, but those 00:52:11.440 --> 00:52:13.880 are the two. Those are just so bad. But yeah, 00:52:13.940 --> 00:52:15.599 in terms of stealth, it's not like too punishing. 00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:17.639 It's still very much focused on the story. But 00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:19.800 all of these things that are massive pros for 00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:22.880 me might be a massive... Like if you love a really 00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:24.780 punishing stealth game and they've advertised 00:52:24.780 --> 00:52:26.920 it on the stealth and then you play it and it's 00:52:26.920 --> 00:52:29.699 really like stay behind cover and crouch and 00:52:29.699 --> 00:52:32.019 they just never see you, then I can see why someone 00:52:32.019 --> 00:52:34.179 would be like, well, this is kind of... This 00:52:34.179 --> 00:52:37.000 is just another super massive narrative horror 00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:38.989 game and you're either going to... gel with that 00:52:38.989 --> 00:52:41.369 style at this point or you're not. I even like 00:52:41.369 --> 00:52:45.389 the casting of Frank Stone which was their Dark 00:52:45.389 --> 00:52:48.050 Pictures style Dead by Daylight tie -in game 00:52:48.050 --> 00:52:51.190 which was quite divisive but I thought it was 00:52:51.190 --> 00:52:53.989 really good. I just really like their style and 00:52:53.989 --> 00:52:58.409 what they do. Hopefully it's really working for 00:52:58.409 --> 00:53:01.630 those guys because like Maybe one of the reasons 00:53:01.630 --> 00:53:03.190 there was the, because they literally did a game 00:53:03.190 --> 00:53:05.630 a year, didn't they? Between like 2019 and 2022, 00:53:05.730 --> 00:53:07.690 2023. They had a hugely ambitious plan that did 00:53:07.690 --> 00:53:10.550 not come off at all, unfortunately. But also 00:53:10.550 --> 00:53:13.989 then their publisher was Bandai Namco. And so 00:53:13.989 --> 00:53:16.550 I don't know, but Directive is self -published 00:53:16.550 --> 00:53:21.130 and I don't know, hopefully, that difference. 00:53:22.670 --> 00:53:25.530 It'd be a question for Chris Drink to answer, 00:53:25.570 --> 00:53:27.969 but hopefully that difference is giving them 00:53:27.969 --> 00:53:30.630 the greater margins needed to take the pressure 00:53:30.630 --> 00:53:34.030 off. Yes, I would be interested to see if season 00:53:34.030 --> 00:53:35.889 two continues to be self -published, which it 00:53:35.889 --> 00:53:37.550 probably will, because they kind of do them in 00:53:37.550 --> 00:53:39.250 four game packets, right? And so they had the 00:53:39.250 --> 00:53:42.269 four game deal with Bandai and then this one's 00:53:42.269 --> 00:53:44.030 self -published. So I imagine that the next three, 00:53:44.050 --> 00:53:46.329 fingers crossed that they can. pull those together 00:53:46.329 --> 00:53:47.550 because I know that they were sort of like all 00:53:47.550 --> 00:53:49.409 in development at the same time. Hopefully they 00:53:49.409 --> 00:53:51.590 managed to get those out. But yeah, I'm interested 00:53:51.590 --> 00:53:55.670 to see what they do with this season, especially 00:53:55.670 --> 00:53:57.449 because now we've got an Until Dawn 2 that's 00:53:57.449 --> 00:53:59.449 been enhanced that's not anything to do with 00:53:59.449 --> 00:54:01.510 Supermassive. Which looks terrible. It looks 00:54:01.510 --> 00:54:05.090 awful. It does, but I'm so excited. I mean, I 00:54:05.090 --> 00:54:07.989 was just, I appreciate that it was just a trailer, 00:54:08.050 --> 00:54:10.869 but it looked, for what is a Sony, it is a Sony 00:54:10.869 --> 00:54:12.969 published game, right? Yeah, because Sony still 00:54:12.969 --> 00:54:14.849 has the license to Until Dawn. It looked so... 00:54:15.980 --> 00:54:18.260 cheap like i can't i mean that that's just a 00:54:18.260 --> 00:54:19.679 bit judgy but i know maybe it's going to look 00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:21.280 a bit trashy or whatever because of the setting 00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:23.840 and everything else but it just looked like in 00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:25.739 a showcase it had quite a lot of good looking 00:54:25.739 --> 00:54:29.659 stuff in it it just looked a bit naff which i 00:54:29.659 --> 00:54:31.559 was surprised by because the first game looked 00:54:31.559 --> 00:54:34.380 for the time like cutting edge right it looked 00:54:34.380 --> 00:54:36.360 proper good partly i think it's the choice of 00:54:36.360 --> 00:54:38.840 like making it visually the the opposite of the 00:54:38.840 --> 00:54:40.320 original until dawn which was all at night like 00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:42.300 the darkness was part and i think that that covered 00:54:42.300 --> 00:54:45.119 a lot of sins especially in the original The 00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:46.659 2015 original, where it was all like the very 00:54:46.659 --> 00:54:48.760 blue light filter and a lot of darkness. And 00:54:48.760 --> 00:54:50.800 they've gone daylight horror with this one, clearly. 00:54:50.880 --> 00:54:53.579 So like, you've got to be ready to bring a lot 00:54:53.579 --> 00:54:56.679 more literally very visual scares to that. I 00:54:56.679 --> 00:54:59.440 think, yeah, I do see what you're saying about 00:54:59.440 --> 00:55:01.000 the trailer. I mean, I was just like, it looks, 00:55:01.119 --> 00:55:05.219 I can't in all honesty say it looks any good, 00:55:05.260 --> 00:55:07.659 but I am excited for it just because. I like 00:55:07.659 --> 00:55:11.820 the premise. I like the idea of faking paranormal 00:55:11.820 --> 00:55:16.179 guys, like a Derek Okora type, getting blown 00:55:16.179 --> 00:55:18.179 up by something really horrifying happening. 00:55:18.219 --> 00:55:20.119 That's what I'd say. Especially with Neil Newborn 00:55:20.119 --> 00:55:21.559 in the cast as well, so you know it's going to 00:55:21.559 --> 00:55:25.480 be fun. It could be like terrible, but there's 00:55:25.480 --> 00:55:28.579 going to be some charm to it, for sure. I mean, 00:55:28.579 --> 00:55:31.599 for me, even though I know the quarry was the 00:55:31.599 --> 00:55:33.719 real Until Dawn 2 by the real... you know, like 00:55:33.719 --> 00:55:35.679 the team that actually made Until Dawn and it 00:55:35.679 --> 00:55:37.039 was pitched that way and then it was rejected. 00:55:37.179 --> 00:55:38.440 So they changed the title basically, but still 00:55:38.440 --> 00:55:42.000 made The Quarry. I'm there just at least, let 00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:43.280 me have one thing where I'm just there for the 00:55:43.280 --> 00:55:44.639 brand name, even though I know it's kind of a 00:55:44.639 --> 00:55:48.559 tacky sideways move and just play it day one, 00:55:48.639 --> 00:55:50.639 enjoy it for hell. Maybe it will be pleasantly 00:55:50.639 --> 00:55:52.739 surprised. It's still got some time, I think, 00:55:52.739 --> 00:55:54.900 left. It's next year, right? So they got half 00:55:54.900 --> 00:55:57.980 a year at least to kind of put the shine on it. 00:55:58.619 --> 00:56:01.079 Have you seen the movie? Yes. Until Dawn movie. 00:56:01.539 --> 00:56:05.780 It's awful. Spoilers, spoilers. But I mean, if 00:56:05.780 --> 00:56:07.159 you haven't watched it, this is going to save 00:56:07.159 --> 00:56:10.340 you having to watch it. But the bit I didn't 00:56:10.340 --> 00:56:13.019 get was how, why they just decided to make everyone 00:56:13.019 --> 00:56:14.980 explode all the time. I thought that was the 00:56:14.980 --> 00:56:17.000 best part because it was so stupid. It was so 00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:19.639 stupid. It was so dumb. And it's weird for me 00:56:19.639 --> 00:56:22.840 because I was watching, as part of my unemployed 00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:27.360 watching films all day phase, I watched that 00:56:27.360 --> 00:56:32.139 and I also watched a better film, which... abigail 00:56:32.139 --> 00:56:35.219 which i think is like which is the the ballerina 00:56:35.219 --> 00:56:38.340 vampire girl and that also has quite a lot of 00:56:38.340 --> 00:56:41.719 exploding in it bizarrely and i also watched 00:56:41.719 --> 00:56:44.739 a completely different film in terms of style 00:56:44.739 --> 00:56:47.860 but it's i can't it's called it was it's about 00:56:47.860 --> 00:56:52.400 teenagers and they suddenly start exploding i 00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:54.199 can't remember it feels like i should have seen 00:56:54.199 --> 00:56:57.139 that but i can't it was like it's like a very 00:56:57.139 --> 00:56:59.960 dark comedy and i think it was like And then 00:56:59.960 --> 00:57:01.780 suddenly they're in this classroom and someone 00:57:01.780 --> 00:57:04.239 just explodes. And then gradually other kids 00:57:04.239 --> 00:57:05.900 start exploding. All right. If you do find out 00:57:05.900 --> 00:57:07.139 what that's called, please tell me because I 00:57:07.139 --> 00:57:09.079 want to watch that now. It's called, I want to 00:57:09.079 --> 00:57:11.440 say something like combustion, but it's not combustion. 00:57:11.579 --> 00:57:14.880 It's like a word like that that means exploding, 00:57:14.880 --> 00:57:18.820 I think. But the bizarre thing was, I watched 00:57:18.820 --> 00:57:21.380 all three of these films within like a couple 00:57:21.380 --> 00:57:23.480 of days because when you don't have a job, you 00:57:23.480 --> 00:57:25.960 could watch the surprise of a lot of films. And 00:57:25.960 --> 00:57:28.659 they all heavily featured exploding people. Exploding 00:57:28.659 --> 00:57:31.079 teenagers. I didn't deliberately go out of my 00:57:31.079 --> 00:57:33.199 way to do this, but that's just what happens. 00:57:33.360 --> 00:57:36.960 The only exploding teenager movie I want to watch 00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:40.260 is Battle Royale. Even though it did give us 00:57:40.260 --> 00:57:43.179 Fortnite. I just read the book. I just read the 00:57:43.179 --> 00:57:45.280 book, but I haven't seen the film yet. You haven't 00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:46.920 seen the film? I haven't seen the film. I read 00:57:46.920 --> 00:57:49.599 the book. I do think the film is actually, it's 00:57:49.599 --> 00:57:51.599 one of those rare occasions where the film be 00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:55.190 like. I can see that I liked the book, but it 00:57:55.190 --> 00:57:58.030 was quite slow going. I can see how picking up 00:57:58.030 --> 00:58:01.889 the pace for a feature film might improve things. 00:58:02.070 --> 00:58:03.510 But yeah, I do definitely need to watch it now 00:58:03.510 --> 00:58:05.510 that I've finished the book. But yeah, the Until 00:58:05.510 --> 00:58:08.590 Dawn movie, the thing about me is, unashamedly, 00:58:08.610 --> 00:58:10.849 I kind of love everything. If it's got anything 00:58:10.849 --> 00:58:12.809 to do with something I love, I'm on board. So 00:58:12.809 --> 00:58:14.489 to have not hooked me for the Until Dawn film, 00:58:14.610 --> 00:58:17.349 I was like, this is low. That's how you know 00:58:17.349 --> 00:58:18.809 you've screwed it. Yeah, that's how you know 00:58:18.809 --> 00:58:22.409 you've dropped the ball. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, 00:58:22.469 --> 00:58:24.550 it was not great. And I'm a little bit worried 00:58:24.550 --> 00:58:27.650 that the attempt to bring the film into the universe 00:58:27.650 --> 00:58:30.510 of the original game will then tie into the second 00:58:30.510 --> 00:58:32.789 game in a way that I will be sat there like grimly 00:58:32.789 --> 00:58:34.670 disapproving of. Maybe because the film totally 00:58:34.670 --> 00:58:37.429 bombed, that won't be. Maybe they're, I hope 00:58:37.429 --> 00:58:40.150 they're wiser. Yeah, I mean, it's like, I don't 00:58:40.150 --> 00:58:42.969 know. It just doesn't, I'm not going in with 00:58:42.969 --> 00:58:44.369 like the idea that, oh my God, this needs to 00:58:44.369 --> 00:58:46.710 be canon and this needs to be like a perfect 00:58:46.710 --> 00:58:49.190 follow. I'm just going to go and enjoy it because 00:58:49.190 --> 00:58:52.260 like I say, Neil Newborn, always a delight. It's 00:58:52.260 --> 00:58:54.119 got a bit of a just cause sort of thing going. 00:58:54.179 --> 00:58:55.559 I'm kind of interested, like you say, in the 00:58:55.559 --> 00:58:59.699 setting and the premise looks fun. Whether they 00:58:59.699 --> 00:59:03.440 can stick the landing, that's why you play it, 00:59:03.460 --> 00:59:06.500 right, to find out. Yeah, and relatively new 00:59:06.500 --> 00:59:08.099 studio, right? So it'll be interesting to see. 00:59:08.159 --> 00:59:10.719 This is their first game on their own. I need 00:59:10.719 --> 00:59:12.199 to look into the studio a bit because I know 00:59:12.199 --> 00:59:15.059 that when the Until Dawn remaster came out, Ballistic 00:59:15.059 --> 00:59:18.260 Moon was formed from a lot of ex -Supermassive 00:59:18.260 --> 00:59:20.800 devs. And I'd be interested to know whether this... 00:59:22.269 --> 00:59:25.269 So this studio, they did that Horizon game. They 00:59:25.269 --> 00:59:27.230 did that Horizon VR game. Yes, I looked into 00:59:27.230 --> 00:59:28.909 it the other day, actually. They have done a 00:59:28.909 --> 00:59:30.429 lot of VR stuff. They've done a lot of Vita stuff, 00:59:30.510 --> 00:59:32.849 but this is their first sort of... It's still 00:59:32.849 --> 00:59:35.230 them taking an existing IP, but it's their first 00:59:35.230 --> 00:59:37.389 time developing specifically for home consoles. 00:59:37.710 --> 00:59:39.750 So that'll be an interesting... It's kind of 00:59:39.750 --> 00:59:41.409 a bigger scope for them than I think they've 00:59:41.409 --> 00:59:44.550 had in the past. But I'd be interested to know 00:59:44.550 --> 00:59:46.389 if anyone formerly of Supermassive has joined 00:59:46.389 --> 00:59:48.010 the project, because I don't know that at this 00:59:48.010 --> 00:59:50.760 point. Because that could, but then again, people 00:59:50.760 --> 00:59:53.119 really were like slating the remaster and I was, 00:59:53.119 --> 00:59:56.599 it's the same people with a different name. I 00:59:56.599 --> 01:00:01.679 don't know. I don't know. I think it aged less 01:00:01.679 --> 01:00:04.659 well. And also the remaster, as I recall it, 01:00:04.659 --> 01:00:07.840 I mean a long time, like suffocated a lot of 01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:09.480 the atmosphere and stuff with the lighting changes 01:00:09.480 --> 01:00:13.360 and stuff. Yeah. I mean, it's fine. I reviewed 01:00:13.360 --> 01:00:15.380 it for VG at the time and I think they're both. 01:00:15.760 --> 01:00:17.639 perfectly respectable versions of this story 01:00:17.639 --> 01:00:20.480 and really it's it's like a matter of aesthetics 01:00:20.480 --> 01:00:23.039 really as to which she prefers there are some 01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:24.460 things that i thought were better in the original 01:00:24.460 --> 01:00:25.619 there are some things i thought were better in 01:00:25.619 --> 01:00:28.659 the remaster it wasn't a huge difference in my 01:00:28.659 --> 01:00:32.619 opinion play both if you can would be my just 01:00:32.619 --> 01:00:34.059 my feeling about it because they're both pretty 01:00:34.059 --> 01:00:38.929 good so yeah Right. We're coming up on an hour 01:00:38.929 --> 01:00:41.170 now, so we should probably let people go. I want 01:00:41.170 --> 01:00:42.469 to give one more quick shout out to something 01:00:42.469 --> 01:00:44.269 I've been playing because I talked about something 01:00:44.269 --> 01:00:47.070 I've been reviewing, which I've loved. But there's 01:00:47.070 --> 01:00:51.110 a Battlestar Galactica game on Steam, Battlestar 01:00:51.110 --> 01:00:55.570 Galactica Scattered Hopes, which is, I mean, 01:00:55.610 --> 01:00:58.510 it's technically indie because the studio behind 01:00:58.510 --> 01:01:03.090 it, Alt Shift, is an indie. They did the also 01:01:03.090 --> 01:01:06.849 really good strategy game Crying Sons. a couple 01:01:06.849 --> 01:01:10.570 of years ago, more, five years ago. But it's 01:01:10.570 --> 01:01:12.949 published by Dot Emu. So how indie can something 01:01:12.949 --> 01:01:15.869 published by this giant corporation be? It's 01:01:15.869 --> 01:01:19.369 Dad the Diver all over again. But I just want 01:01:19.369 --> 01:01:20.570 to give a shout out. And also it's a licensed 01:01:20.570 --> 01:01:22.190 IP, right? But I want to give a shout out to 01:01:22.190 --> 01:01:24.989 it because it is absolutely excellent where it's 01:01:24.989 --> 01:01:31.250 just, it is part FTL, part adventure, choose 01:01:31.250 --> 01:01:34.610 your own adventure, story branching game. uses 01:01:34.610 --> 01:01:38.730 the IP really well. You know, you're jumping 01:01:38.730 --> 01:01:41.070 from system to system. The pressure is constant, 01:01:41.190 --> 01:01:43.369 constantly ratchets up in a very similar way 01:01:43.369 --> 01:01:45.309 to FTL. But then you've got these characters 01:01:45.309 --> 01:01:47.110 you're getting to know. And if you know anything 01:01:47.110 --> 01:01:49.670 about the Bachelor Galactica TV series, the reboot 01:01:49.670 --> 01:01:53.510 version, a big element of it is the Cylons are 01:01:53.510 --> 01:01:55.570 among the humans and they don't know actually 01:01:55.570 --> 01:01:58.650 anyone could be a Cylon. And so that's an element 01:01:58.650 --> 01:02:00.789 in this as well, where as well as fighting all 01:02:00.789 --> 01:02:02.730 the fires, you naturally fight on your ship. 01:02:03.230 --> 01:02:06.429 you are fighting fires of that we're fighting 01:02:06.429 --> 01:02:10.309 literal fires that have been set by the hidden 01:02:10.309 --> 01:02:12.010 Cylons and you're trying this so there's also 01:02:12.010 --> 01:02:13.650 like a detective game element in there where 01:02:13.650 --> 01:02:15.889 you're looking at clues and stuff to try to figure 01:02:15.889 --> 01:02:19.150 out who the Cylon is it's really good I think 01:02:19.150 --> 01:02:21.110 it's also really difficult it's proper nails 01:02:21.110 --> 01:02:23.869 initially and then a lot like FTL as you unlock 01:02:23.869 --> 01:02:27.130 more stuff and get more knowledge um it becomes 01:02:27.130 --> 01:02:30.349 more manageable but i i've really really really 01:02:30.349 --> 01:02:32.489 enjoyed it and it's something that assignments 01:02:32.489 --> 01:02:37.730 pushed me off it came out um sort of about a 01:02:37.730 --> 01:02:40.190 little over a month ago like around the second 01:02:40.190 --> 01:02:42.670 week of may and so i quite quickly got pulled 01:02:42.670 --> 01:02:46.090 off it to go and do bond which is also excellent 01:02:46.090 --> 01:02:48.769 but i can't wait to play more of that and i just 01:02:48.769 --> 01:02:50.530 want to recommend it to people because it is 01:02:50.530 --> 01:02:53.679 mint Sounds rad as hell. Also, somewhere Jim 01:02:53.679 --> 01:02:55.679 Trinker's neurons just activated and he won't 01:02:55.679 --> 01:02:57.920 know why until he watches this podcast, which 01:02:57.920 --> 01:03:01.059 you better do. But yes, so thank you everyone 01:03:01.059 --> 01:03:04.460 for listening. This is a first little run out 01:03:04.460 --> 01:03:06.179 and we've had everything from Impressions on 01:03:06.179 --> 01:03:10.639 Games to Tom in Butland's catalogues to Arnold 01:03:10.639 --> 01:03:14.139 Schwarzenegger as Doctor Who and beyond. So I 01:03:14.139 --> 01:03:17.099 think that sort of sets the tone. So thank you 01:03:17.099 --> 01:03:18.320 guys. I don't know if you guys want to say goodbye 01:03:18.320 --> 01:03:21.280 to the people? I went really high pitch there. 01:03:21.949 --> 01:03:24.010 We'll say bye. I think we should also point out 01:03:24.010 --> 01:03:28.170 the patron page. Yes. It's got to be business 01:03:28.170 --> 01:03:31.730 at some point. We do. I don't know what the URL 01:03:31.730 --> 01:03:34.610 is, so I'll leave that to you. I'm looking it 01:03:34.610 --> 01:03:36.489 up as we speak. This is the problem with having 01:03:36.489 --> 01:03:38.730 a website that isn't launched yet. I'm pretty 01:03:38.730 --> 01:03:42.530 sure it is just... I'm scrolling up the chat. 01:03:42.610 --> 01:03:45.090 I'm stalling. I'm stalling. I'm in the wrong 01:03:45.090 --> 01:03:51.230 chat. That doesn't help. It is... I'm pretty 01:03:51.230 --> 01:03:54.730 sure it's patreon .com forward slash respecnet, 01:03:54.909 --> 01:03:57.949 N -E -T, because the URL of the website is respec 01:03:57.949 --> 01:04:02.030 .net. And if it isn't that, then it's going to 01:04:02.030 --> 01:04:05.469 404 and you will find out next week. Because 01:04:05.469 --> 01:04:07.789 I can't find it. We are so organized. This is 01:04:07.789 --> 01:04:09.409 the beauty of being independent. They would never 01:04:09.409 --> 01:04:12.309 have allowed this sort of stupidity at a big 01:04:12.309 --> 01:04:16.929 brand. Well, they didn't allow it in the end. 01:04:18.510 --> 01:04:22.980 True. Sure enough. Right. That's it. One note 01:04:22.980 --> 01:04:26.039 to end on. Yeah, one note to end on. It's just 01:04:26.039 --> 01:04:28.260 the pure incompetence. We will see you all next 01:04:28.260 --> 01:04:31.340 week from whenever this is released. And once 01:04:31.340 --> 01:04:32.840 we're no longer on pre -records, we'll actually 01:04:32.840 --> 01:04:34.639 have some current affairs video games to talk 01:04:34.639 --> 01:04:36.400 about, which based on what's been happening the 01:04:36.400 --> 01:04:38.079 week that we're recording this, is probably going 01:04:38.079 --> 01:04:40.000 to be grim as hell, but we'll cross that bridge 01:04:40.000 --> 01:04:43.780 when we come to it. Until next time, everyone. 01:04:44.059 --> 01:04:44.719 Bye -bye.