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Welcome to A Little Unscripted. The show where

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we pull a random title, spin a random genre,

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and then try to create a film that honestly shouldn't

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work, and is impossible, and is way too expensive,

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and no one's asking for, but that's the fun,

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one idea, one hour, and zero guarantees. Let's

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make this thing. Little Zing there. Hi. How's

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it going today, Ryan? Good day. I'm Ryan. This

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is Logan. And no matter what, we are going to

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make a movie today. I'm good, Logan. That's good.

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I'm very excited to be doing this because as

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we were rehashing the last movie, I got re -inspired

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again about seeing such a movie. Yeah. As impossible

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as they all may be. And we've had dead actors

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and stuff. That's fine. You know what? We get

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to enjoy ourselves and living in the theater

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of our mind and being like... Our movie is perfect

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and nobody can tell us otherwise. But what you

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did remind me along the way in our Western, it

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was very sad. Yeah. I'm re -engaged in sadness

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again. Yeah. Over the banality of that crime

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and the tagline. It definitely hurts. I think

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this is a movie that may be one of those movies

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you don't see too many times. This isn't maybe

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not a re -watch. This is a hard hit. Oh, that's

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funny. You know what I'm saying? Braveheart's

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kind of like that. It's hard to watch. It might

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need time. You need a cleanse. It might be five

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to ten years. You don't know. I don't want to

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watch that. It's a testament to the film's potency

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when it's not that it's a bad movie. I just can't

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stand the heartache. I'll either have to detach

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or try to make fun of it. a la MST3K. Although

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doing that to Braveheart, I'm sure is possible,

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just offensive somehow. But it's I can't take

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it emotionally. Yeah, I think it says more about

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the audience and it's kudos to the directors

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for hitting that emotional like like through

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line. Exactly. Hey, you did such a good job that

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I don't actually want to watch it again. And

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a movie like that is so tense and there's so

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much heartbreak throughout to the end. The whole

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movie like. You're not let off the hook for those

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of you who, if you will indulge me for like those

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of you who don't know Brave Hearts, like we started

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the first 10 minutes with our main character

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walking into a room full of swinging dead bodies

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like spoiler alert for a 30 plus year old movie.

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Everything is depressing for this human being

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or this archetype of a human in their life. But

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so speaking of Westerns and sad situations, terrible

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situations with unfinished business, we created

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a pretty. I like the expansiveness of it. Yeah,

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I like that it takes time. So do we have anybody

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we want to recast? I have ideas. Do we want to

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recast anybody? I have an idea of what I would

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like to see. I forget exactly who we cast. You

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reminded me of so many cool things that I like

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the idea of Chris Pine and McConaughey together.

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Yes. I still like that. That's possible. I think

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that's a possible. In anything. Yeah. Hollywood,

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if you're listening. please pair them up. They

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would be great acting against each other. In

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Catherine Bigelow directing, I'm still super

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stoked about it. I only have praise. What do

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you have? I think I also have praise, but I think

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I have one thing I would like to see. I think

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we need to add somebody. I think we need to add

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the boss. We may have had the boss and we made

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it Tom Cruise. I don't know if Tom Cruise is

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a bad selection or we need or an add to. Yeah.

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So what I'm thinking is. The banality is great.

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Yeah. But I like the idea of like McConaughey

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and Chris Pine kind of did like some odd end

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job together, kind of like heat, you know, where

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like they bring in a new guy and like he's good,

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but he hasn't been quite vetted. Right. Right.

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So the idea is like they do this job and like

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whatever ends up happening after the job. This

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is where Chris Pine like sees McConaughey's family.

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whole plot kind of gets its gears going. Yeah.

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But I would like to see like the boss kind of

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be Billy Zane. I think him as a like big handlebar

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mustache, like just giant, like to the chin,

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just like boss hog style. Like you need some

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weight in something to this. You know what I

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mean? That gravitas. Because again, he's somebody

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who can do. But have that weight. He can do anything,

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but like have that intensity. Allow him to be

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a better. Do you mean scary? Yeah, I think if

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not scary, at least intense, right? Yes. He needs

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to have intensity. I love that. Because there's

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such thing as being intense without being scary.

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Yeah. But they're very, very narrow line there.

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Like it's easily crossed. Like I think John Goodman

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is one of the like the elite selections for that.

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Like how great intensity. Yes. 10 out of 10.

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Scariness depends on the role 10 Cloverfield

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Lane. Yeah, well about a 10 Truly truly terrifying

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and it's like but he could also be the father

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about him He could be a father figure, you know

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looking at you Roseanne Barr family like he's

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a great father figure and that's like also he's

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Immensely menacing. Yeah again presence, but

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that kindness that kind -heartedness Yeah, I

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don't know how much of that comes from like playing

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a role that embodied that on TV for so long,

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but 10 Cloverfield Lane is so scary. Did it give

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you the heebie -jeebies for him? I was so delighted

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at how menacing and how truly unhinged ill at

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ease I was the whole time watching that movie.

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You felt like your skin kind of tingling watching

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him in the role and you're like, what is up?

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I don't know what's going on. And I'm glad that

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he's still fucking thriving. The guy, he's the

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Godzilla or King Kong or whatever stuff. The

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Monarch. I don't know much about it, but I bet

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he kills. I saw the one movie and I thought he

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was great. I think he like he's still doing some

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action in that Congo Skull Island. I'm like,

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this is really fucking interesting. All right.

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So I'm in with that. And can we, as we evolve

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as a show, incorporate that idea of even if we

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have to add something or we're OK adding so we

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don't just have to recast, we can maybe flush

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this out. We're allowed to adjust on the fly.

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That's amazing. things change on the spot. We

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came up with a great idea and then you let it

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simmer for a little bit. We come back. That's

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fair. You know what? We can have a little season

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of here and there. And you can definitely reach

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out if that's something that you guys are very

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opposed to. Yeah. If you guys don't like this,

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tell us. But it is more fun. I agree. Yeah. I

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think Billy Zane is the boss who brings these

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two together. I'm imagining a Sam Elliott style

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mustache. I wonder how often we get influenced

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by kind of our pre -discussions and what we're

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about to do next in a way because I try to totally

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detach. Do you have like an internal reset like

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when we're about to roll the numbers that? No,

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I know sometimes I will be like, oh, that's an

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actor I haven't thought of and then like we'll

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get to a roll and it's like this person would.

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destroy this role and it helps but it's not like

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oh yeah I'm gonna make sure that they end up

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in it like no I can see the bias I've definitely

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had like oh that'd be fun yeah but then when

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we're talking about the role and like the movie

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that we're building around it it's like nothing

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they can't do it just No, I don't think that

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that's the one. And then all of a sudden it's

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like, sometimes you're just like, wait a minute,

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this is the one. Yeah. Well, to center myself,

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I'm going to remind myself and those of you listening

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of the rules that we set for ourselves. And if

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it's your first time listening, thank you for

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doing so. This we hope this is fun for you if

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you love movies or not. So in this 60 minutes

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that. we have been given by the movie lords.

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The ones we give to ourselves. We must create

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a plot to conclusion. We must have a character.

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Nobody wants to look at a blank role. Sorry.

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At least one character. We must have a director.

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We've been really good. We've been on a good

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kick of writer directors. I don't know if we've

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done any non writer directors. We've done a few.

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Have we? OK. Maybe I mean, maybe one or two.

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We listen to our own podcast. We have to come

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up with a tagline. Yes. Secretly favorite part.

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That's really grown on. Yeah, it gets better.

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It can be stressful. It is honest. We keep kind

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of leaving it to the last five, 10 minutes, which

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is really fun to be like, all right, can we really

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come up with like a natural progression of that?

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Just the storytelling, because that but episode

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one. Yeah. And if this is your first time, go

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back to the first go back because. It started

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from the tagline. Yeah, the whole Logan's friends

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saying having a brilliant life philosophy It's

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a great one that I've since adopted on this end

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Yeah, and anytime you guys I give you all permission

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to use it if you want to use it It's free use

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now, but just credit that came from us in this

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podcast and my friend, you know But use it but

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it's have you tried panicking and it's perfect

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for any work situation because at any point in

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time somebody will be like I don't know what

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to do and you just look them down the eyes like

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Have you tried panicking yet? And usually they'll

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laugh at you. And if they laugh at you, good.

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And if not, and they give you the look of terror,

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then you know that they've only been living in

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panic and you should probably step in and help

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them out. You've shaken something loose. Hopefully

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a couple of good to haves. We've come up with

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a composer, writers, clearly separate locations,

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types of, you know, real sets is not what we're

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just coming up with ideas here. Everybody just

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spit balling. Not that there are none, but we

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have some. And we have some just off the cuff.

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We don't want to plan shit. No, no, it's not

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fun. It's not that we can't plan. It's that sitting

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around in a room chatting with your friends about

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the movie you want to make is way easier to do.

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when you both enjoy making movies. This is true

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that we're fighting. All right. I'm going to

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spin the magic wheel here and give us some numbers.

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You have the genre typically first. All right.

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So our number between one and one hundred. Those

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are our titles. That is seventy two. Seventy

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two. That's for me. And our number one and fifty

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five is thirty four. Thirty four is our genre.

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So I'm going to go to our oh boy. I'm trying

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to read your body language. Oh, boy. The title

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is edge case. Edge case. Edge case. Edge case.

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All right. Thirty four, ladies and gentlemen,

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is the genre dystopian. Oh, gosh, that's fun.

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Yeah. A dystopian edge case. What do you think

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of when we have a dystopian edge case? Edge case.

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Yeah. What is it? I mean, I get how maybe the

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the algorithm put to Weird title two words together.

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Mm -hmm, but I like the challenge of trying to

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make some fucking sense out of edge case Yeah,

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because I think that's gonna be a wall that might

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hit who knows? Yeah, this is an interesting title.

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So edge case. All right, stop Are you officially

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ready to make this movie? I think I'm ready to

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write this movie. Are we got a legit? We got

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our timer going edge case. Here we go. Could

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we add a comma to it edge? Comma case. No case

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edge Case edge, we reversed it up. I'm stupefied

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by this title. I'm stupefied. This is quite a

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title, edge case. A dystopian movie, I feel like

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a nonsense, a non sequitur, even if we work into

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the film, that it's nonsense. That's the point.

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Do you know what I mean? So given a dystopian

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film, I feel like we're given some latitude to

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be weird. So if this is a chicken or egg thing.

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Alright, alright edge case. Well, let's see.

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Can you make a case for edge case being a thing?

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Like what could an edge case be? I keep imagining

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like it's an outlier like there's something going

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on like I don't know why my brains like but like

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let's treat like it's a math thing and you're

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going you got your mean your mode your and all

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that stuff like it's an outlier like that's the

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edge case like this is like the one thing like

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nobody predicted because like the chances of

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it happening are so slim to none like who would

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have predicted that happening? I'm a simple dumb

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creature. And my first instinct was to mirror

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that with headcase. You know, the term headcase.

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Because I'm trying to rationalize this. And that

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may be the wrong thing, but like, what is a headcase?

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A headcase is somebody who... Usually crazy or

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something to that effect. So is there a way that

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you can spin to give some familiarity to it if

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that's what we wanted to do? to create a riff

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off of headcase, it'd be an edge case. Like,

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if you thought a head case was bad, it's like

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a... Wait till you meet this edge case? Yeah,

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so Dystopian, I honestly, you know, would love

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to see Rowdy Piper in this. That could be fun.

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But I'm just remaking Hell Comes to Frogtown

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probably meets They Live. Yeah, right. But I

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like a silly, because Dystopian can be serious.

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Yeah. I mean, obviously you're not. So what is

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your preference in dystopian? Let me hit you

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with this. We technically already, I would argue,

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live in a dystopian society. Ha ha ha. But not

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in the sense of like, oh, you know, the world

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is always chaos. But like, the idea is like.

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Well, humanity wasn't the first, you know, we

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had dinosaurs. So so like really think about

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like we've always lived in a dystopian society

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because utopia existed before we did. How dare

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you? How dare I get out? You do go home. Where

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is that? Oh, why do you why are you unfurling

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your philosophy degree? How dare you right now?

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In front of everybody, zip it back up. Here's

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the thing. So you're talking about. Subtle dystopia.

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I'm thinking about trash cans on fire and huge

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garbage heaps. I like the idea of like they live

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again where it's this real subtle, like you don't

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know it's happening. I think even today, like

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the world we live in right now feels like we're

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the boiling frogs, right? Like the temperature

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slowly adjusting where they're like, hey, the

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world is changing, but it's so minuscule that

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you're not noticing the change as the change

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is happening until it's 10, 20 years later. And

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you're like, hey, This world that we're currently

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living in is not the world that I grew up in.

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It's a different place. And we can all see the

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writing on the wall. I mean, 9 -11 was a hard

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left turn. for the entire world. Could we take

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an idea, sort of melding a 12 monkeys idea, so

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where it's not, it's like it's the psychology

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practice, or something's being taken over subtly,

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and they live, it's kind of everything, right?

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Like the whole world. And it's through marketing,

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but maybe we take that, is that the kind of thing?

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Like the version is there is a takeover of some

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sort from an exterior force, but they're using

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something for some purpose. I think so. And a

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fertile ground would be something like psychiatry,

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hospitals, and that could be a period piece,

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maybe, or not. Are you more interested in something

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political? I think that... I know that's maybe

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been done before with V or Alien Nation. There's

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another... Yeah, V for Red Dead. That definitely

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hits the dystopian. Oh, see, that's an interesting

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kind of dystopia because... Well, that's been

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done. Equilibrium, that 1980 Orwellian thing.

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This Orwellian authoritarian regime. Let's riff

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on that subtle. Yeah. What's the quiet menace?

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What's the the like if it's downright alien or

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is it something else? Is it like an otherwise

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evolved, like it's an X -Man thing, but it's

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subtle, like a mutation has happened, but it's

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so subtle. That humanity's not noticing the change?

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Something like that. I don't know if that's interesting

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or even a thing, but it's, or we could lean fully

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into, and I'm throwing you a curve ball into

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a dumpster fire world and we just have fun. I

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like the idea that you're throwing out with like

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the pharmaceuticals. I think that could be interesting.

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I also like the idea of, for some reason in my

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brain, what if the, kind of tying it back to

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like, if anybody can remember, previous episode,

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Just North of Trouble, our line was, only clone

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perfection. What if the idea here is instead

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of we're cloning perfection, what if this dystopian,

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the pharmaceutical world is winning, but humanity,

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like the base, all of 99 % of the real humans,

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are slowly becoming non -humans and like an elite.

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Culture is rising up of people who are like we

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own the pharmaceuticals and the technology and

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like it turns out we're trying to create a whole

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different set of there's that Shyamalan movie.

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Mm -hmm. I forget what it's called now, which

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one? It's the reason one on the beach. Oh, yeah

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That's an interesting concept to me, okay, I

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feel like that's dystopia. Well, what is that

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dystopian? Do we need it worldwide to be dystopian

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or does it just need to be like a small? Like

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because you could theoretically do it on like

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a tiny location and have it be like have the

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implication I like the idea of it being something

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kind of like that That movie where what's his

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head gets to use 100 % of his brain. Oh Lucy

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Not Lucy, but similar to that. So that's the

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idea. We're doing this to improve you Mm -hmm

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But it has to be dystopian. Yeah, that means

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like everything's kind of hopeless. What if what

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if it's this the idea is that you're like Kind

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of like equilibrium, the idea of like, we're

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going to limit your emotions or something like

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that. But it's not. Right. Yeah, it's not limiting

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your emotions. We're making you a more perfect

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human along the way or more. Maybe. OK. See,

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if we go, let's take the psychology thing in

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the extreme is just being here, being in the

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middle. OK. And not suppressed, but wanting.

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OK. Right. Like wanting. And then all of a sudden,

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over years, over years. We have become harmony.

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and middle, and so what's the dystopia around?

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And maybe it's an alien in origin and it's a

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long con, but balance, and it could be corporate

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-based, like work -life balance, work -life,

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and it's slowly over time, everybody willingly

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just becomes even and cool and kind. Now, there

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are implications, here's the problem with this

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though, there's implications for the world. Yeah,

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like if this is a US base, let's say. But maybe

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that's interesting. Yeah, maybe everybody's just.

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I know, so and that's the big if you remember

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the show Fly or Fly and Serenity, the sequel

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movie, which is great. Don't disparage them.

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Anywho, they have kind of the idea of like they.

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they created the perfect world where, you know,

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they release the chemicals into the atmosphere

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and people they had a subverging effect where

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like instead of being peaceful and calm, some

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people had adverse effect to where like they

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went bananas and like caveman style space, you

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know, works. I don't think we do that. I like

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the idea of these people becoming so like peaceful,

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like people from today wouldn't recognize the

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humans that they become. Well, so. Harrison Bergeron

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is, do you know, it's, who is it? It's Kurt Vonnegut.

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And the plot is, it's via U .S. Constitution,

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I think, and it dictates that all Americans are

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fully equal. Nobody's allowed to be smarter or

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better or what have you. So they take all these

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ways to either handicap you, like if you're a

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sports, if you're an athlete, you're weighted

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down. So they take all these physical means to

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like make everybody equal. So I like this idea,

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but yes. And then and you know, there's a scene

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and I remember in the movie, because it was like

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a TV movie with Sean Astin. And the idea is Harrison

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Bergeron like breaks into the media center and

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he like tries to have a revolution. But I remember

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from the movie, this ballerina, she's dancing

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on TV and one of her like all of her weights

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fall off. And remember, she's been dancing with

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weights on her her whole life. Right. To be equal.

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And then all of a sudden she feels what it's

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like to not have the weights on. It's a powerful

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thing. So this may be our idea of something like

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this, but it's mental. It's like it's wellness,

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well -being, healthy eating, you know, so you

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get a little silent green. Kumbaya. But within

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the guise, yes, of creating peace. And that's

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why you could get worldwide harmony in this.

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But driven by a corporation that's alien in nature.

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And that's how they steal a line from hot fuzz.

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It's for the greater good. The greater good.

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The greater good. Yeah. Is that of interest?

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I think that's interesting. Like this long con

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of like everybody just needs to be balanced and

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equal. But like over time. And then we need disruption.

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We need to pull the veil off the thing. And what's

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fun about this movie, then, is how do we introduce

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some chaos? To be like, we need to be a little

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edgier. Let's say we're already in this world.

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Everybody's, quote unquote, equal, right? But

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it's more about mental, not like they're still

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like... Are they taking drugs in like equilibrium,

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but instead of like it limits their emotions,

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they're just like... Somehow, could it be over

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time... That we're just made what if we just

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like the way our institutions. Yeah, everything

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is shaped It's made for everybody just to be

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a top -down thing and equal and yeah so like

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the world I really like I can imagine seeing

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this almost like as a starship trooper satire

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where like you get like commercial breaks and

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the thing it's like you should go to college

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yo yo yo like you should join the military and

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you should you should go to be a corporate exec

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I think that like that is we should probably

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angle this as a satire of of all that as well

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Think that that could definitely I'll throw it

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back to you. It could be serious. I bet Being

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serious is it more fun to be more fun because

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you can then lean into when the revolution. Yeah

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where And I mean the Beastie Boys fight for your

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right to party has to be that his fight for your

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right to party is like our anthem song Does we

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end the movie with that song as they get to the

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casting totally? Absolutely, I think okay because

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you can go a certain route Okay, so we're kind

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of it's like footloose So we're gonna take this

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dystopian edge case and we're going to hold up

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the mirror and kind of satirize the world Even

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though we're not at they're not asking for us

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for a satire and the whole like everybody gets

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a trophy everybody's but like Balance and the

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idea is like a little bit of chaos even in your

00:22:44.539 --> 00:22:47.460
mind is maybe okay So who if we need a moral

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who is the person that is going to reject our

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balanced world? Because I could see it. I have

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an idea Not to say it's the idea, but of all

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the people that would probably not be part of

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the quote unquote balanced society, it would

00:23:03.130 --> 00:23:05.029
probably be the elites and their family members.

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Like if there's a pharmaceutical company with

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so is there a segment of this world though that

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is allowed to be there Yeah, I think so and that's

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part of the manipulation. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, like

00:23:16.900 --> 00:23:19.359
hey you guys you're not a politician You're not

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a leader. You're not a military person like you

00:23:22.099 --> 00:23:24.619
don't get to make these decisions Okay, because

00:23:24.619 --> 00:23:28.339
well, you're just a base human Can Daniel Day

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Lewis be the main kind of bad like the main driver

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for? Is he, are John Hurt, like he's going to

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show up as like a man on the screen, Big Brother

00:23:37.400 --> 00:23:41.000
style? You're Viva Vendetta. I am, but with Daniel

00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:43.460
Day Lewis. Yeah, yeah, that's the theory. But

00:23:43.460 --> 00:23:45.940
he is eternal. Like he's been around the whole

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time and nobody's kind of known. I like the idea

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of he's not eternal. And it's a fraudulent thing.

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They've been AI or computer generating his face

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and just being like. But as a doctor, you could

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see in the early ads where they're like there

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has to be a beginning of this. And it's people

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are like, you know, I'm tired of having no balance

00:24:04.380 --> 00:24:06.799
and having whatever. And then it starts to like,

00:24:06.799 --> 00:24:09.180
I've gone to this doc. I've gone to this thing.

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And then all of a sudden, worldwide mental health

00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:14.440
starts to change. And you could see how that

00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:16.259
people could be sucked in. Medicine starts to

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come in. And then over 200 years. I like the

00:24:20.099 --> 00:24:22.440
idea of like in my head for some reason, I'm

00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:25.019
imagining like the cameras panning in on the

00:24:25.019 --> 00:24:28.119
planet and we get our our planet. Yeah. Our typical

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of like speech. you know, a text thing like Star

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Wars, where it's like the year is 2020, 2030.

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Like we'll say it's four years from now, you

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know. Humanity has reached its peak and to save

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it, we've figured out how to balance the world.

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Wait, wait, we have an opening crawl? Yeah, I

00:24:44.799 --> 00:24:46.200
think we should have an opening crawl over time.

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I was actually saying, maybe if you wanted to

00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:51.599
fast forward the story, you could just show through

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like internet chatter how it just goes down.

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Yeah, I could see both ways. I could see both

00:24:56.000 --> 00:24:58.359
of those. I'd like little bits. Let's OK, let's

00:24:58.359 --> 00:25:01.640
say this. If we're going to do satire, we need

00:25:01.640 --> 00:25:04.279
a joke about how the YouTube comments section

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is the place where people go to relax. The people,

00:25:10.819 --> 00:25:13.079
the balanced folks don't go there, but everybody

00:25:13.079 --> 00:25:14.940
who's not balanced is going there. The whole

00:25:14.940 --> 00:25:17.019
world, everything needs to be balanced or else

00:25:17.019 --> 00:25:20.380
it's punished or else it's taken away. As a joke,

00:25:21.180 --> 00:25:23.220
like, oh gosh, I was in the YouTube comments

00:25:23.220 --> 00:25:25.960
the other day and I just feel so good. I feel

00:25:25.960 --> 00:25:29.740
so affirmed. So I think we could do that. I think

00:25:29.740 --> 00:25:32.339
you reverse it in that they're not feeling good.

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What it is is that the comment sections is what

00:25:35.019 --> 00:25:38.420
drove humanity to do this. Well, you could show

00:25:38.420 --> 00:25:41.079
all the bad stuff and like reminders in kids

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schools, like remember this, you know, people

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fighting at McDonald's and just, I think. Yeah,

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I think so. I think that's the intro is that

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I'm starting to get scared that this could happen.

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Are we? Are we? Predicting are we self -fulfilling

00:25:54.869 --> 00:25:57.170
prophecy? Is this what's gonna have much? No,

00:25:57.609 --> 00:26:00.490
I'm fearful. We're gonna self predict this we

00:26:00.490 --> 00:26:04.069
need a A rebel we need we do need a rebel or

00:26:04.069 --> 00:26:06.829
maybe rebel without a cause is it a group? Type

00:26:06.829 --> 00:26:08.849
of movie. Do we have an ensemble or do we have

00:26:08.849 --> 00:26:11.809
a lead? do you are you feeling like a lead character

00:26:11.809 --> 00:26:15.349
or is it like a I think a lead I'm feeling a

00:26:15.349 --> 00:26:17.730
lead not fun not to say you can't have an ensemble

00:26:17.730 --> 00:26:20.470
with like within the this but I think you need

00:26:20.470 --> 00:26:24.210
to have somebody run pushing it like somebody

00:26:24.210 --> 00:26:26.769
is our hero or protagonist that we are going

00:26:26.769 --> 00:26:29.569
to follow their story. I like it. I think that

00:26:29.569 --> 00:26:31.430
I think that's what this movie is calling for,

00:26:31.470 --> 00:26:33.670
at least off my brain. I can be convinced otherwise

00:26:33.670 --> 00:26:35.630
not to say like an ensemble wouldn't work. It's

00:26:35.630 --> 00:26:38.009
just I think that what we're trying to tell is

00:26:38.009 --> 00:26:40.650
like we're going to tell this person's story

00:26:40.650 --> 00:26:44.009
in the confines of this world and how it reacts

00:26:44.009 --> 00:26:48.730
to the rest of us. It may be too old. I keep

00:26:48.730 --> 00:26:52.829
getting Elysium vibes. Ooh, good movie. And Matt

00:26:52.829 --> 00:26:56.430
Damon. Mm -hmm. Is a good disruptor. I like him.

00:26:56.769 --> 00:26:59.269
I like Andrew Garfield. Ooh, that'd be a fun

00:26:59.269 --> 00:27:01.430
one. Maybe. Andrew Garfield. Because, like, he's

00:27:01.430 --> 00:27:04.309
kind of a lookalike, a stand -in for Daniel Day

00:27:04.309 --> 00:27:08.650
-Lewis. Okay. But I think he's scrappy. Mm -hmm.

00:27:09.450 --> 00:27:11.450
And he's just fucking brilliant. Is he just...

00:27:11.450 --> 00:27:14.519
All right. If it is him... This is charismatic

00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:16.960
enough. Who is his character? Like, he's our

00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:19.599
disrupter. Who is he? This is a big deal. Yeah.

00:27:19.740 --> 00:27:22.480
Because how do you get somebody who just, like,

00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:24.480
dislodges? I think... Oh, it has to be one of

00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:26.259
the elite who defects, right? Yeah. Yeah, so

00:27:26.259 --> 00:27:28.200
I think... Oh. I think this is what it is. It's

00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:29.880
like, this is why I think the elites need to

00:27:29.880 --> 00:27:32.339
have, like, their family is also, like... I think

00:27:32.339 --> 00:27:34.599
it needs to be the family. Only one family gets

00:27:34.599 --> 00:27:36.539
to damage. Oh, only one family? Okay. Like, I

00:27:36.539 --> 00:27:40.009
don't think you can... effectively control the

00:27:40.009 --> 00:27:43.230
world like this hard for so long. Yeah. And you

00:27:43.230 --> 00:27:46.150
need to mean and over time that group had to

00:27:46.150 --> 00:27:48.029
shrink. OK. And that could be part of the story.

00:27:48.150 --> 00:27:51.309
Like, well, it started as this. But now only

00:27:51.309 --> 00:27:53.690
over and over the last, like, 50 years, it's

00:27:53.690 --> 00:27:57.210
only been one family who is in on whatever. Can

00:27:57.210 --> 00:28:00.950
I can I throw which is hard? Well, yeah, toss

00:28:00.950 --> 00:28:03.430
a little pitch here just to see what test the

00:28:03.430 --> 00:28:05.710
water, see what you're thinking. Would you be

00:28:05.710 --> 00:28:08.670
all right? with the idea of like, so he he's

00:28:08.670 --> 00:28:11.190
not whatever the chemical is or whatever, that

00:28:11.190 --> 00:28:12.990
he's not bound by that. It's Andrew Garfield,

00:28:13.049 --> 00:28:16.289
if it is him. What if kind of Romeo and Juliet

00:28:16.289 --> 00:28:19.569
style, like he sees somebody who is and like

00:28:19.569 --> 00:28:21.990
he kind of like he falls for this person who's

00:28:21.990 --> 00:28:24.250
actually been like, quote unquote, balanced.

00:28:24.730 --> 00:28:27.650
But could could that person be an anomaly? Like

00:28:27.650 --> 00:28:30.950
one in a million is immune to all of it. But

00:28:30.950 --> 00:28:33.890
has to play ball because I can see that. I think

00:28:33.890 --> 00:28:36.970
that falls back almost into equilibrium, almost

00:28:36.970 --> 00:28:39.609
close. Well, there's there's medicine there.

00:28:39.829 --> 00:28:42.769
I mean, like, this is more like Tron controlled

00:28:42.769 --> 00:28:46.890
everywhere, like the the one like she is somebody

00:28:46.890 --> 00:28:50.839
who had it. I mean. it would happen over time,

00:28:50.839 --> 00:28:53.220
right? Yeah, people would build an immunity after

00:28:53.220 --> 00:28:56.059
this. Or an anomaly. And that's just kind of

00:28:56.059 --> 00:28:58.259
what's happening. So whatever's going on is coming

00:28:58.259 --> 00:29:00.440
to a head. But that is still, we've got narrative

00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:03.000
license there. This is somebody that draws his

00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:06.200
eye. Yeah, I do kind of like the idea that over

00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:08.539
time, some people will become immune to it or

00:29:08.539 --> 00:29:11.920
like have developed, like they're no longer affecting

00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:14.599
them. But they're still playing the part like

00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:17.049
this. Forces like these people are like we're

00:29:17.049 --> 00:29:19.130
still doing the things that nobody knows because

00:29:19.130 --> 00:29:21.569
otherwise yeah problems And who would know I

00:29:21.569 --> 00:29:23.829
mean, maybe if you just didn't know any better.

00:29:23.829 --> 00:29:27.269
I love the idea world Yeah, I love the idea going

00:29:27.269 --> 00:29:30.390
back to big brother equilibrium 1984 that all

00:29:30.390 --> 00:29:32.710
these things like the way it works is like they

00:29:32.710 --> 00:29:35.789
coerce the public to do the dirty work for them

00:29:35.789 --> 00:29:38.349
That's that's the big secret is like oh the police

00:29:38.349 --> 00:29:40.799
are gonna come get you it's like OK, yeah, the

00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:42.220
police are going to come get me if they see me

00:29:42.220 --> 00:29:44.220
do a crime. What's realistically more likely

00:29:44.220 --> 00:29:46.740
to happen is you, my neighbor, are going to witness

00:29:46.740 --> 00:29:50.359
it and call the police for me or at me. You know,

00:29:50.359 --> 00:29:52.599
so I can see that being part of this story as

00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:55.559
well. Like it turns out that like some people

00:29:55.559 --> 00:29:58.599
aren't actually balanced anymore. And like they

00:29:58.599 --> 00:30:00.759
miss they missed step and they did something

00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:03.900
and they noticed. Right. They live style. The

00:30:03.900 --> 00:30:07.420
aliens noticed it. So given that it is the elite

00:30:07.420 --> 00:30:11.099
and you have like a breakaway is going to be

00:30:11.099 --> 00:30:13.579
a younger person. Do you see younger than Andrew

00:30:13.579 --> 00:30:16.319
Garfield? Do you do you maybe think that that

00:30:16.319 --> 00:30:19.920
is somebody Tom Holland could do? You really

00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:21.519
want to go to the Spider -Man. What the fuck

00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:22.799
is wrong with me? Are you going Spider -Man?

00:30:22.940 --> 00:30:25.740
Sorry. No, I'm not. I'm not. He was like, I really

00:30:25.740 --> 00:30:28.660
like the Spidermans. I just like the Chalamet

00:30:28.660 --> 00:30:32.539
while we're at it. Is he Spider -Man? No, I think

00:30:32.539 --> 00:30:34.339
he auditioned for it, but he did not get the

00:30:34.339 --> 00:30:37.460
role of Spidermans. What am I? What role? I like

00:30:37.460 --> 00:30:40.000
dark haired dudes. Yeah. Dark hair. I don't know

00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:42.880
what's wrong with me. Chiseled jawline. Somebody

00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:47.359
who's really... Does it have to be male or female?

00:30:47.819 --> 00:30:49.819
Do you want to be a male? That's kind of how

00:30:49.819 --> 00:30:52.059
I went because it just sounds like a dude thing

00:30:52.059 --> 00:30:53.640
to do. It does kind of sound like a dude thing.

00:30:54.039 --> 00:30:57.440
But it has to be somebody who... Here's what's

00:30:57.440 --> 00:31:00.119
challenging about this movie, actually. Is this

00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:02.819
world is boring. Yeah, I think... So you need

00:31:02.819 --> 00:31:06.240
to... And fun challenge. How not possible to

00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:11.349
sell. But most of what happens is going to be

00:31:11.349 --> 00:31:15.130
boring because everybody's boring. I think so.

00:31:15.190 --> 00:31:18.430
An actor who is boring but can be capable of

00:31:18.430 --> 00:31:23.470
a reasonable level of of of wildness, intensity

00:31:23.470 --> 00:31:25.849
like it's a Robin Williams, you know, a peak

00:31:25.849 --> 00:31:30.210
Adam Driver. I can see, you don't, you don't.

00:31:30.609 --> 00:31:32.269
Hard no, hard no Adam Driver. It's too hard to

00:31:32.269 --> 00:31:35.349
look at. He's not beautiful enough? No. How dare

00:31:35.349 --> 00:31:36.630
you. I think we need somebody beautiful. We need

00:31:36.630 --> 00:31:37.950
somebody beautiful in this role. Alright, we

00:31:37.950 --> 00:31:39.529
need a beautiful. What brought you to Adam Driver?

00:31:39.730 --> 00:31:42.230
I don't know, I just, I think he can do cool

00:31:42.230 --> 00:31:45.789
and collected. But then he also can go straight

00:31:45.789 --> 00:31:48.769
bananas and he can have that emotional outburst

00:31:48.769 --> 00:31:50.650
that I think we're looking for this character

00:31:50.650 --> 00:31:54.690
to potentially get to. Yeah, exactly. For some

00:31:54.690 --> 00:31:56.579
reason I keep imagining him like. kind of like

00:31:56.579 --> 00:31:58.519
Charlie Heston in like, you know, Soylent Green,

00:31:58.619 --> 00:32:01.039
like at the very end, like he's trying to, you

00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:03.299
know, tell the people what's happening. This

00:32:03.299 --> 00:32:07.259
is more fun because it's when there's some humor

00:32:07.259 --> 00:32:09.259
to it, but dark humor. Yeah. Are you thinking?

00:32:09.819 --> 00:32:12.940
Yeah. Yes. Dark humor. I think dark humor is

00:32:12.940 --> 00:32:14.279
good. I don't think it's the only thing, but

00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:15.500
I think we should, we could have some dark humor.

00:32:15.500 --> 00:32:17.759
That helps me with the character because, you

00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:19.980
know, and I go back to Andrew Garfield because

00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:22.960
The Spider -Man character, Peter Parker is kind

00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:25.980
of a zero. Yeah. You know, but he's accidentally

00:32:25.980 --> 00:32:30.440
funny and, you know, he's an unlikely hero. But

00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:32.460
do you want this to be more of an intentional

00:32:32.460 --> 00:32:35.599
hero? I like the idea of like he stumbles into

00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:37.700
it. I do like that. So that's a good. I mean,

00:32:37.819 --> 00:32:39.980
a lot of actors. Here's a question for him. Before

00:32:39.980 --> 00:32:42.259
we try and figure out who this actor is, is the

00:32:42.259 --> 00:32:47.109
idea that what if this family? Like going out

00:32:47.109 --> 00:32:49.490
and about in public to like show like this is

00:32:49.490 --> 00:32:51.230
their son or daughter. Whoever they are like

00:32:51.230 --> 00:32:53.150
they're like here Let's show you what the world

00:32:53.150 --> 00:32:56.630
looks like and this is where we get to show the

00:32:56.630 --> 00:33:00.690
moment You're in on what yes like oh, yeah. Yeah.

00:33:00.690 --> 00:33:02.769
Mm -hmm. Yeah where they they're like, hey by

00:33:02.769 --> 00:33:04.230
the way, you know, everything's great But it's

00:33:04.230 --> 00:33:06.430
like let me show you why everything's great Let

00:33:06.430 --> 00:33:08.650
me peel the curtain back for you so you can kind

00:33:08.650 --> 00:33:11.089
of see like we made the world this way This is

00:33:11.089 --> 00:33:13.710
why the world's like this because it benefits

00:33:13.710 --> 00:33:16.869
all society. Yeah I think that needs to happen.

00:33:16.970 --> 00:33:19.109
Like we need to have them drive through downtown

00:33:19.109 --> 00:33:22.109
like New York or like to the bad parts of town.

00:33:22.170 --> 00:33:23.690
And it turns out the bad parts of town are no

00:33:23.690 --> 00:33:25.150
longer bad. And like when I was a kid, there

00:33:25.150 --> 00:33:27.049
was dirt and debris and everything was everywhere.

00:33:27.049 --> 00:33:28.849
And there's chaos on the streets. And it's like,

00:33:28.970 --> 00:33:31.490
now look at it. It's perfect. And it's like every

00:33:31.490 --> 00:33:33.829
other store is like the same. So it's a lie?

00:33:34.049 --> 00:33:36.849
Yeah, not a lie. We just they created. But the

00:33:36.849 --> 00:33:39.910
world has been perfect for a long time. They're

00:33:39.910 --> 00:33:42.230
just able to be themselves for whatever reason.

00:33:42.650 --> 00:33:45.069
Yeah, they created perfection. And so it's just

00:33:45.069 --> 00:33:47.450
a way to scare this person. I like the idea that.

00:33:47.450 --> 00:33:51.289
But I think the idea is to show that they built

00:33:51.289 --> 00:33:54.329
it in that the world wasn't always this way.

00:33:54.650 --> 00:33:56.990
Go back to my philosophy a little bit. It's like

00:33:56.990 --> 00:33:59.670
if you'll indulge me, I think one of the problems

00:33:59.670 --> 00:34:02.650
with heaven is is that there's no drama. Yeah,

00:34:02.769 --> 00:34:04.769
everything will be perfect. You'll live in a

00:34:04.769 --> 00:34:07.529
beautiful, clouded city and you have all of eternity

00:34:07.529 --> 00:34:10.590
to do anything you want. It's like on paper sounds

00:34:10.590 --> 00:34:13.519
great. In reality, knowing humanity, we would

00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:16.179
never do those things. Elijah Wood. Ooh, I can

00:34:16.179 --> 00:34:17.739
see Elijah Wood in this role. Elijah Wood. And

00:34:17.739 --> 00:34:21.059
we can cast Sean Astin in it to throw love to

00:34:21.059 --> 00:34:24.940
Harrison Bergeron. Elijah Wood, he can do, but

00:34:24.940 --> 00:34:26.880
he's got to look. He does have some intensity

00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:30.199
to him. And he's kind of ageless, so he could

00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:32.900
probably do it today. He could. I mean, it doesn't

00:34:32.900 --> 00:34:35.900
have to be ageless. But he can be fancy, you

00:34:35.900 --> 00:34:39.019
know, as a part of this thing. I can see a hero's

00:34:39.019 --> 00:34:41.079
journey. I mean, Frodo, you know, we can pull

00:34:41.079 --> 00:34:43.239
it off. Are you cool with Elijah Wood? I think

00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:45.559
I'm all right with him. He brings some indie

00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:48.960
charms. It could be indie. Not with Daniel Day

00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:51.139
-Lewis, I'm guessing. Daniel Day -Lewis is playing

00:34:51.139 --> 00:34:53.559
the figurehead. Is this indie or is this more

00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:55.440
major? I think this is a major production. I'd

00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:57.019
like it to be major. I think this is a major

00:34:57.019 --> 00:35:00.159
production. Kind of like, oh, you could draw

00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:03.239
from Pleasantville. Oh, it's Pleasantville. Why

00:35:03.239 --> 00:35:06.239
do I not know that one? Tobey Maguire? The other

00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:09.309
Spiderman? Yeah, we got all three. This episode

00:35:09.309 --> 00:35:11.510
is brought to you by Spider -Man. Yeah, apparently

00:35:11.510 --> 00:35:14.829
the Spider -Mans have made an appearance. That's

00:35:14.829 --> 00:35:18.429
where the modern day kids go back to like the

00:35:18.429 --> 00:35:22.369
perfect 1950s. William H. Macy's in it. Shout

00:35:22.369 --> 00:35:24.349
out to a previous episode. But yeah, I feel like

00:35:24.349 --> 00:35:27.110
I should add that to my list. It's kind of like

00:35:27.110 --> 00:35:30.510
that idyllic little town in Edward Scissorhands.

00:35:30.829 --> 00:35:32.789
Everything's perfect, but like filming it on

00:35:32.789 --> 00:35:35.889
a big planetary scale would be fun. Yeah. And

00:35:35.889 --> 00:35:38.829
then all the shit you can poke at that is always

00:35:38.829 --> 00:35:42.090
a fucking nightmare. That is now just nice. Yeah,

00:35:42.090 --> 00:35:44.550
everything's great. There's no more like real

00:35:44.550 --> 00:35:47.369
red tape. People don't hate each other for no

00:35:47.369 --> 00:35:51.489
reason to get to to mocked up in all the. How

00:35:51.489 --> 00:35:53.329
does everything work? Right. But that's just

00:35:53.329 --> 00:35:56.550
the general idea that over time, it's been manipulated

00:35:56.550 --> 00:35:58.849
by the question. Are we still are they still

00:35:58.849 --> 00:36:01.150
like presenting ads of like, don't forget to

00:36:01.150 --> 00:36:03.210
take your, you know, go to the doctor and get

00:36:03.210 --> 00:36:05.670
the job. I don't think it. It's drug related.

00:36:05.849 --> 00:36:08.510
That's why it's interesting. It's over time.

00:36:08.750 --> 00:36:12.469
It's therapy, drugs are, but then just over time.

00:36:12.670 --> 00:36:15.690
And the message is balance. We just want things

00:36:15.690 --> 00:36:18.309
over time. And then because, I mean, there could

00:36:18.309 --> 00:36:21.369
be that, like, then all of a sudden people start

00:36:21.369 --> 00:36:23.610
taking medicine. But I think it's more, it's

00:36:23.610 --> 00:36:26.849
cooler that it's your choice. It's not forced.

00:36:27.449 --> 00:36:29.190
Equilibrium's that way because you're like, ah,

00:36:29.250 --> 00:36:31.969
fuck it, I'm going to take the pill. This is

00:36:31.969 --> 00:36:36.059
a long con. To tie it back to like Tolkien I've

00:36:36.059 --> 00:36:38.139
if I remember correctly his quote goes something

00:36:38.139 --> 00:36:40.360
to the effect of like All it takes for evil to

00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:43.760
thrive is for good men to do nothing. Yeah, so

00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:46.340
I could definitely see that happening like yeah,

00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:49.860
it was so Non -plus that nobody cared while it

00:36:49.860 --> 00:36:51.719
was happening and it was too late by the time

00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:54.340
anybody did care that it's there's nothing to

00:36:54.340 --> 00:36:57.599
do about it Right. I think that that's the story

00:36:57.599 --> 00:37:00.360
Elijah Wood is gonna go down. I think Daniel

00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:03.619
Day Lewis is He's got to be the doctor. He's

00:37:03.619 --> 00:37:05.900
a doctor first and foremost. He's like the one

00:37:05.900 --> 00:37:09.079
leading this wellness. It could be even like,

00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:12.300
is it interesting if it's more like cultish to

00:37:12.300 --> 00:37:15.219
begin or no? What if? Because we got a little.

00:37:15.300 --> 00:37:17.179
I like looking back at history a little bit and

00:37:17.179 --> 00:37:19.179
that if you remember like the Kellogg's and like

00:37:19.179 --> 00:37:20.860
asylums and stuff like that, like we all like

00:37:20.860 --> 00:37:23.400
to attribute asylums to like insanity. Yeah,

00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:26.340
yeah. And it's like not all asylums are about

00:37:26.340 --> 00:37:29.349
insanity, so it could be something to like. We

00:37:29.349 --> 00:37:31.150
could combine it with a mega church as well.

00:37:31.369 --> 00:37:33.769
Like, hey, here's this cult of personality type

00:37:33.769 --> 00:37:36.949
figure, very charismatic, very charming, going

00:37:36.949 --> 00:37:40.530
to tell you stuff that like, hey, doing this

00:37:40.530 --> 00:37:43.329
will make your life better. And they create a

00:37:43.329 --> 00:37:45.650
flock around them. And much like religion does,

00:37:45.809 --> 00:37:47.389
they tell the flock to go out and spread the

00:37:47.389 --> 00:37:49.489
word. So like, I can see this whole thing becoming

00:37:49.489 --> 00:37:52.829
like a religious like. cultural revolution worldwide.

00:37:53.329 --> 00:37:54.929
That's not based around religion. That's like

00:37:54.929 --> 00:37:57.690
a concerted tone. But somebody will be like,

00:37:57.690 --> 00:38:00.250
you're going after this. Or, yeah, I don't think

00:38:00.250 --> 00:38:02.030
we need the cult. I don't think in the original

00:38:02.030 --> 00:38:05.030
version that we came up with minutes ago, it's

00:38:05.030 --> 00:38:08.849
just it's subtle. Yeah, it's just medicine and

00:38:08.849 --> 00:38:11.369
psychotherapy and psychiatry. And that's what's

00:38:11.369 --> 00:38:13.889
manipulated and played out over 200 years under

00:38:13.889 --> 00:38:16.329
the guise of like, you know, normal psych, but

00:38:16.329 --> 00:38:19.150
more and more people start coming in for. light

00:38:19.150 --> 00:38:22.030
touches. And then over time, yeah, I can see

00:38:22.030 --> 00:38:25.250
this movie happening everywhere. And then with

00:38:25.250 --> 00:38:27.989
external forces that we don't have to write about.

00:38:28.170 --> 00:38:29.989
Yeah. Maybe that's in the serialized novel that

00:38:29.989 --> 00:38:32.929
comes after the serialized. You know, it spreads

00:38:32.929 --> 00:38:36.909
to the world, but it's spreading is just fine.

00:38:37.369 --> 00:38:39.989
I like it. You know, no war. No. And like people

00:38:39.989 --> 00:38:42.579
are like, that sounds OK. You know, I'm not going

00:38:42.579 --> 00:38:44.699
to strive big. I'm not going to strive like it

00:38:44.699 --> 00:38:47.039
doesn't. Right. And you can have tons of stuff

00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:49.420
for like CEOs burned out as long as you keep

00:38:49.420 --> 00:38:51.940
contributing to society. You're doing good. Yeah.

00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:54.780
And so over time, yeah, they can shape society

00:38:54.780 --> 00:38:58.739
in a way that just fine. I like and there's still

00:38:58.739 --> 00:39:01.619
psychotherapy and things that happen. But they're

00:39:01.619 --> 00:39:04.119
just over time. And I wonder how people would

00:39:04.119 --> 00:39:06.739
evolve over. Yeah. You know, with these influences,

00:39:07.260 --> 00:39:10.190
some are real, some are not. But then over time

00:39:10.190 --> 00:39:13.250
that group of elites mm -hmm of which Elijah

00:39:13.250 --> 00:39:15.670
Elijah what this is great. I like this is into

00:39:15.670 --> 00:39:20.869
it. Yeah young Goldie Hawn as the Mom as his

00:39:20.869 --> 00:39:23.010
love interest. No as the love interest we're

00:39:23.010 --> 00:39:24.869
getting fanatic I'm just throwing out like wild

00:39:24.869 --> 00:39:27.489
things because she's got so much light and she's

00:39:27.489 --> 00:39:30.369
so bright But if she like but she's balance if

00:39:30.369 --> 00:39:32.690
she wants to do drama when she's done drama.

00:39:32.710 --> 00:39:35.789
She can do it But it's kind of like the island.

00:39:35.949 --> 00:39:38.969
Did you ever see that? You and McGregor and Scarlett

00:39:38.969 --> 00:39:41.630
Johansson, I get those vibes. So I'd like to

00:39:41.630 --> 00:39:45.349
match somebody with Elijah Wood maybe that, you

00:39:45.349 --> 00:39:47.530
know, through the filmmaking can be muted. But

00:39:47.530 --> 00:39:49.690
when they really come alive and they're starting

00:39:49.690 --> 00:39:53.269
to like create this revolution, it's more fun

00:39:53.269 --> 00:39:56.469
and joyous. Kate Beckinsale do it? Yes. I don't

00:39:56.469 --> 00:39:58.710
know. She doesn't get enough roles, I feel like.

00:39:58.929 --> 00:40:02.250
And she's she's stellar and everything that I've

00:40:02.250 --> 00:40:03.960
ever seen her in. I don't know if everything

00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:06.519
she's ever been in is stellar, but she is great.

00:40:08.699 --> 00:40:12.039
Yeah, let's do that. You know why? Because she

00:40:12.039 --> 00:40:14.360
has a brightness to her. She does. You know,

00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:17.139
I think she's probably seven feet taller than

00:40:17.139 --> 00:40:19.000
Elijah Wood. A lot of people are maybe. I don't

00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:21.579
know how tall he is, but I mean, are we going

00:40:21.579 --> 00:40:23.420
to be heightest? Are we ableist now? He hunched

00:40:23.420 --> 00:40:26.260
over in Toxic Avenger. Did you see the new Toxic

00:40:26.260 --> 00:40:27.900
Avenger? I have not. It's fucking amazing. Is

00:40:27.900 --> 00:40:32.139
it good? Kevin Bacon. It's great. Kevin pagans.

00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:34.500
He's a villain. Yeah, it's wonderful. Wonderful.

00:40:34.659 --> 00:40:39.579
Okay. And he plays this really kind of deformed

00:40:39.579 --> 00:40:42.800
character. He's all hunched over with this wild

00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:45.940
prosthetic. He looks terrible. I'm down. But

00:40:45.940 --> 00:40:49.000
it's so fun. And he's, you know, I like him a

00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:50.659
lot. I think I think he carries him would be

00:40:50.659 --> 00:40:53.179
like this 100%. All right. It's a huge one. All

00:40:53.179 --> 00:40:55.360
right. Kate Beckinsale. Yeah. Yeah, she's great.

00:40:55.760 --> 00:40:59.079
So Kind of circle back. I think the idea of like

00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:01.699
the family is showing him like driving him around

00:41:01.699 --> 00:41:04.320
kind of showing him this mega city Whatever an

00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:07.340
idea of his parents. I think those are good characters.

00:41:07.579 --> 00:41:12.059
Can Willem Dafoe be his dad? That's a great casting

00:41:12.059 --> 00:41:17.210
Willem Dafoe was what age like maybe I like any

00:41:17.210 --> 00:41:19.849
age is great at any time. I just think he can

00:41:19.849 --> 00:41:24.030
be suspective alien. Like, because the thing

00:41:24.030 --> 00:41:27.909
is, like, you have to wonder maybe if over time,

00:41:28.010 --> 00:41:30.889
this family is one of them now. I like the idea

00:41:30.889 --> 00:41:33.170
that like, and he's got to wonder, am I now?

00:41:33.329 --> 00:41:34.630
Maybe at a point in the movie is like, wait,

00:41:34.710 --> 00:41:37.590
am I human? I like that idea that humanity is

00:41:37.590 --> 00:41:39.329
at that point where it's like, we don't quite

00:41:39.329 --> 00:41:41.809
know what is and isn't human. Once things are

00:41:41.809 --> 00:41:44.170
revealed, once it's revealed. I like that. I

00:41:44.170 --> 00:41:46.550
do like Willem Dafoe. Willem Dafoe is the dad.

00:41:46.809 --> 00:41:49.130
I can get behind Willem Dafoe as the dad. That

00:41:49.130 --> 00:41:51.349
does sound fun. I'm somewhat of a scientist myself.

00:41:51.510 --> 00:41:53.389
If he doesn't have a line like that where he's

00:41:53.389 --> 00:41:56.050
a scientist, like he took over as a head scientist

00:41:56.050 --> 00:41:57.869
for this company, I'm going to be so disappointed

00:41:57.869 --> 00:42:00.550
in us. You know, that may be a high price tag.

00:42:00.670 --> 00:42:03.289
I wonder, legitimately, like if you were to do

00:42:03.289 --> 00:42:06.309
that, it costs so much. You don't like licensing

00:42:06.309 --> 00:42:10.150
music? Yeah, we got licensing lines. No. Licensing

00:42:10.150 --> 00:42:13.380
lines? Probably not. No, there's no way. If they're

00:42:13.380 --> 00:42:16.639
going to charge you to use a lot, it's trademark

00:42:16.639 --> 00:42:19.659
sentence, the whole script. It's clearly been

00:42:19.659 --> 00:42:22.559
established in memes. Yeah. Yeah. It's like he

00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:24.739
could just say he could literally just be like,

00:42:24.860 --> 00:42:30.380
I'm a scientist. I see Laura Dern. I love Laura

00:42:30.380 --> 00:42:32.940
Dern. I also love the idea of like I could see

00:42:32.940 --> 00:42:35.480
the whole thing being like it's a big extended

00:42:35.480 --> 00:42:39.559
family. But like we have a lot of like. I'm imagining,

00:42:39.780 --> 00:42:42.940
very Victorian, like, hey, the whole family is

00:42:42.940 --> 00:42:44.760
kind of in on the company. Well, yeah, that's

00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:46.199
what I mean. So like, I'm trying to think of

00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:47.880
his mom, like Willem Dafoe is the dad. Laura

00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:50.239
Dern is a great selection. Laura Dern, because,

00:42:50.900 --> 00:42:55.320
like, again, what's the recent Admiral Holdo

00:42:55.320 --> 00:42:56.920
or whatever, which she showed up in that Star

00:42:56.920 --> 00:42:58.599
Wars movie? And it's like, oh, man, like, I've

00:42:58.599 --> 00:43:01.079
always liked her. I saw Wild at Heart in the

00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:03.659
theater, and it blew my mind. I can see her playing

00:43:03.659 --> 00:43:08.800
this. Or Colder. I like the idea that Willem

00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:11.679
Dafoe's character is, like, in on it, but, like,

00:43:11.820 --> 00:43:16.699
he doesn't really want to be in on it, but she's,

00:43:16.699 --> 00:43:18.159
like, the power behind it. Kathy Bates, then?

00:43:18.320 --> 00:43:21.420
No, I don't think Kathy. Kathy Bates All -Star.

00:43:21.539 --> 00:43:23.320
I think Laura Dern is the right selection. You

00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:25.219
like Laura Dern? I do like Laura Dern. I like

00:43:25.219 --> 00:43:28.360
the idea of her mysterious, tough, tense, crazy.

00:43:28.420 --> 00:43:30.960
I like the idea of her being like the real power

00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:33.860
and like the real villain of this. That's a nice

00:43:33.860 --> 00:43:36.579
twist for Willem Dafoe, because I think any role

00:43:36.579 --> 00:43:39.320
you just assume he's the Alpha or something.

00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:42.119
He's everybody assumes that Willem Dafoe is always

00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:44.800
the bad guy or tied to it somehow. And it's like,

00:43:44.980 --> 00:43:47.320
actually, he's just kind of just He's here. He's

00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:48.860
part of the family. We have twenty seven minutes

00:43:48.860 --> 00:43:51.940
left. I want to have some fun with can we cast

00:43:51.940 --> 00:43:55.380
a brother or sister for Elijah Wood who is not

00:43:55.380 --> 00:43:57.360
on board with this journey. Oh, somebody who's

00:43:57.360 --> 00:44:00.000
like they're they're hooked with the family opposite.

00:44:00.420 --> 00:44:04.320
They're in lockstep. And it could be sister or

00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:08.340
brother clearly. Is that of interest? I can see

00:44:08.340 --> 00:44:10.820
that. Because extending that family dynamic and

00:44:10.820 --> 00:44:13.820
maybe there's a baby. Oh, OK. For just because.

00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:16.119
Like he's got to dangle it out the window at

00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:18.980
one point. I don't even know if it's human. Fuck

00:44:18.980 --> 00:44:26.400
you. I can't carry it, but I can carry you. The

00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:30.460
baby drops the baby after saying that beautiful

00:44:30.460 --> 00:44:33.039
line. Yeah, but I love the idea of throwing a

00:44:33.039 --> 00:44:34.880
baby in there. Just like, why do you have a baby?

00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:37.639
You just don't know a sibling for Elijah Wood,

00:44:37.699 --> 00:44:41.059
who may be what would you who would like a tough

00:44:41.059 --> 00:44:45.190
guy, tough, a tough guy. Tough guy. Perfect tough

00:44:45.190 --> 00:44:48.809
guy. A young Sylvester Stallone. John Bernthal?

00:44:49.349 --> 00:44:52.389
Yes. I can see John Bernthal. He's got real,

00:44:52.389 --> 00:44:55.739
real intense energy with him. He's but like he's

00:44:55.739 --> 00:44:57.900
the older brother and he has a lockstep with

00:44:57.900 --> 00:45:01.000
the family. Yes We love the bear on this show.

00:45:01.159 --> 00:45:03.800
Yeah, we've cast Sean Bertholdt as the brother.

00:45:03.800 --> 00:45:06.699
Yeah, who's not on board with this journey? No,

00:45:06.780 --> 00:45:09.739
he's so upset He does not like that Elijah wood

00:45:09.739 --> 00:45:11.619
has fallen for Kate Beckinsale. He's like she's

00:45:11.619 --> 00:45:14.179
just she just but he likes her been one a minute

00:45:14.179 --> 00:45:16.139
Yeah, what if he's just like she's just a balance

00:45:16.139 --> 00:45:18.400
like we have to have some derogatory term for

00:45:18.400 --> 00:45:20.380
these balance folks cuz like these are the elites

00:45:20.380 --> 00:45:22.840
like they the balance yeah, like enlightened

00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:26.659
the That's funny. The equal, just the levels.

00:45:27.320 --> 00:45:30.219
She's just a regular level, dude. She's nobody.

00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:32.659
She's nobody special. But you're an edge case,

00:45:32.820 --> 00:45:36.940
man. Yes. So it comes back to the head case.

00:45:37.059 --> 00:45:41.599
It's just a term. And I don't mind that because,

00:45:41.599 --> 00:45:43.900
again, as we've talked through it, I'm like,

00:45:44.019 --> 00:45:45.940
oh, it makes sense if somebody calls him an edge

00:45:45.940 --> 00:45:48.440
case. I can see that. All right. People are on

00:45:48.440 --> 00:45:52.119
board for this. Yeah. I think, yeah, he's great.

00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:54.460
I want to see them in the room together. It's

00:45:54.460 --> 00:45:56.679
so different. I want to see. Do you agree that

00:45:56.679 --> 00:45:59.960
that's the right energy for that family dynamic?

00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:02.099
Because you've got that strong female, Maura

00:46:02.099 --> 00:46:04.380
Dern. And the baby is a girl, let's say. Yeah.

00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:07.760
So something's up there. And maybe the idea is

00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:10.719
like, if he's not, if Elijah Wood's not shaping

00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:14.820
up, he could go. Right. Once he's exposed to

00:46:14.820 --> 00:46:18.889
this, he can join the norwes. But no. Oh, just

00:46:18.889 --> 00:46:21.210
gone? Just acts. Yeah, it's way better. It's

00:46:21.210 --> 00:46:22.929
easier to remove you from the family than anything

00:46:22.929 --> 00:46:25.809
else. We have told you this. We've shown you

00:46:25.809 --> 00:46:28.889
need to act accordingly, pointing to baby, baby

00:46:28.889 --> 00:46:32.570
sister. Like, we don't need you, bitch. I like

00:46:32.570 --> 00:46:36.130
that. This guy is on board. It's like, yeah,

00:46:36.250 --> 00:46:40.070
sure. You know, it's like shaved head. His veins

00:46:40.070 --> 00:46:43.289
on his throat are just all bulged. Yeah, yeah,

00:46:43.289 --> 00:46:45.530
OK. And just like, I'm so excited to be in on

00:46:45.530 --> 00:46:48.340
this plot. I'm just, and if you do anything to

00:46:48.340 --> 00:46:50.840
threaten him, you're fucking dead. And he wants

00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:52.679
Kate back in sale too, and he just can't admit

00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:55.380
it. Or maybe he's gay. No, I like the idea that

00:46:55.380 --> 00:46:57.280
he also wants Kate back in sale. I also like

00:46:57.280 --> 00:46:59.599
the idea that somewhere along the way he learns

00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:01.519
that she's one of these immune folks, and he's

00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:06.039
like... Well, so I like this idea of her arc

00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:08.480
as well. So did we land on the idea that she

00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:11.000
is just kind of a physical, some kind of anomaly?

00:47:11.340 --> 00:47:13.860
What if it's not an anomaly? Yeah, what if he

00:47:13.860 --> 00:47:16.769
somehow... Pulls her out of this but it's easy

00:47:16.769 --> 00:47:19.289
like you just need the hero and then the first

00:47:19.289 --> 00:47:22.750
supporter Yeah, right. And so is it the power

00:47:22.750 --> 00:47:27.530
of love that does it or is there that? Unique

00:47:27.530 --> 00:47:30.610
quality where she just reveals like I've just

00:47:30.610 --> 00:47:33.969
known that something's wrong. Yeah whole time

00:47:33.969 --> 00:47:37.739
and he's like We've evolved. Like you are. So

00:47:37.739 --> 00:47:41.440
this is why we need to make a baby together and

00:47:41.440 --> 00:47:43.619
spark the revolution. And it turns into a planet

00:47:43.619 --> 00:47:46.179
of the ape scenario. That could be fun. I could

00:47:46.179 --> 00:47:48.639
see the idea. But you need a future. You need

00:47:48.639 --> 00:47:51.820
because they like let's be real about their task.

00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:54.579
They need to take on Dana Day -Lewis, who's the

00:47:54.579 --> 00:47:57.579
big bad. Which is the ghost of him being perpetuated

00:47:57.579 --> 00:47:59.980
by his family. Oh yeah, there we go. We got a

00:47:59.980 --> 00:48:02.400
little guy captain. Yeah, this whole thing is

00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:04.579
like 1984. We're like, hey, it turns out the

00:48:04.579 --> 00:48:07.260
guy running the place. Don't mind that man behind

00:48:07.260 --> 00:48:09.739
the curtain. Some alien not been around. Yeah.

00:48:10.380 --> 00:48:14.260
But does Daniel Day Lewis? And it's kind of maybe

00:48:14.260 --> 00:48:16.420
a shame if he doesn't get to freak the fuck out

00:48:16.420 --> 00:48:18.719
on somebody. Oh yeah. Like do a milkshake moment

00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:23.440
or no? I think. Is that a waste of a DDL? No,

00:48:23.579 --> 00:48:26.199
I think we definitely get to have him at the

00:48:26.199 --> 00:48:29.219
end. Turns out he was just been living in a cryo

00:48:29.219 --> 00:48:31.179
chamber this whole time and he comes back and

00:48:31.179 --> 00:48:33.079
is like, you guys are really fucking up my world

00:48:33.079 --> 00:48:37.340
in here. So can we expand on Daniel Day -Lewis's

00:48:37.340 --> 00:48:41.880
thing? Can he have a foot soldier? Of course.

00:48:43.380 --> 00:48:48.440
I think he needs a female equivalent. Who's a

00:48:48.440 --> 00:48:52.530
heavy equivalent for? Daniel Day -Lewis like

00:48:52.530 --> 00:48:56.110
somebody Like Faye Dunaway in her prime I could

00:48:56.110 --> 00:48:58.230
see that I want to make sure I get the name right

00:48:58.230 --> 00:49:00.130
so keep spitballing I want to make sure I grab

00:49:00.130 --> 00:49:03.949
in the right person I like him having that and

00:49:03.949 --> 00:49:05.889
maybe it's it's it's a relation. Maybe it's a

00:49:05.889 --> 00:49:09.210
wife, but somebody who is Like I think I got

00:49:09.210 --> 00:49:12.190
like oh who I would I would suggest Lucy lawless

00:49:13.299 --> 00:49:16.840
I love it! What the fuck? I just want to make

00:49:16.840 --> 00:49:19.179
sure I got her name right. Did you just had to

00:49:19.179 --> 00:49:21.619
say Xena, buddy? Yeah, I was like, I could have,

00:49:21.679 --> 00:49:23.239
but I was like, no, I think her name's Lucy Lawless,

00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:24.679
but I was like, I don't want to pull the wrong

00:49:24.679 --> 00:49:27.159
name and be like, it turns out it was a different

00:49:27.159 --> 00:49:30.940
rabbit hole. Tell me everything. She's amazing.

00:49:31.579 --> 00:49:35.280
She's super powerful. Very that's not the type

00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:37.619
I was thinking no, but you know all be wide intensity

00:49:37.619 --> 00:49:39.800
and I think that once she has the femininity

00:49:39.800 --> 00:49:43.139
But then like she also gets to be like, hey,

00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:44.960
like they're doing it right Daniel Day -Lewis

00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:46.860
and Lucy lawless. They're doing bad things Oh,

00:49:46.860 --> 00:49:48.980
yeah, they're doing bad. That's a big yeah big

00:49:48.980 --> 00:49:51.119
because it what's always interesting in these

00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:54.739
movies is how they approach sex procreation My

00:49:54.739 --> 00:49:57.360
favorite version of it is in demolition man when

00:49:57.360 --> 00:50:01.500
it's done. Oh, yeah helmet and Handtel. Yeah

00:50:01.500 --> 00:50:04.840
helmet and hand towel H &H You know? What's the

00:50:04.840 --> 00:50:07.639
three seashells? That's not sexual. That's for

00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:10.960
your butt. I know. I know. I bet some kinky asshole

00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:12.460
is doing it. He doesn't even know what it means.

00:50:13.059 --> 00:50:18.559
But the idea that there is that female equal

00:50:18.559 --> 00:50:22.800
and that's kind of... Can they have like a psycho

00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:26.320
foot soldier like Billy Zane as a psycho foot

00:50:26.320 --> 00:50:28.260
soldier? Just full on bald, bane bulging. Like

00:50:28.260 --> 00:50:30.880
there has to be some violence. There has to be

00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:34.409
some... And no, maybe... Or is he just cool and

00:50:34.409 --> 00:50:37.369
reserved? No, I think maybe almost funny. Ooh,

00:50:37.889 --> 00:50:41.650
he's actually like, he's a relatable guy. And

00:50:41.650 --> 00:50:46.570
you see things. You know, again, the world is,

00:50:46.570 --> 00:50:49.849
you know, is all very moderate, but there are

00:50:49.849 --> 00:50:53.150
still some elements of out of line. Did you ever

00:50:53.150 --> 00:50:56.110
watch the rest world, like, show? I did. Alright,

00:50:56.230 --> 00:50:58.369
so you know how, like, at the end... spoilers

00:50:58.369 --> 00:51:00.530
for anybody who hasn't finished it. But like,

00:51:00.530 --> 00:51:03.190
towards the end, turns out that the AI that is,

00:51:03.329 --> 00:51:06.070
you know, all over the world, they've been manipulating

00:51:06.070 --> 00:51:09.349
everything from crime to the politics. So I could

00:51:09.349 --> 00:51:12.449
definitely see, like, that part kind of being

00:51:12.449 --> 00:51:15.630
in this film. Some kind of manipulation still

00:51:15.630 --> 00:51:17.670
has to happen. Right. Or like, hey, even the

00:51:17.670 --> 00:51:20.010
criminals are being manipulated and they don't

00:51:20.010 --> 00:51:23.250
realize it. But I wanted... Oh, so you need...

00:51:23.250 --> 00:51:25.900
Do you need any crime? I thought we maybe have

00:51:25.900 --> 00:51:27.980
no, I don't think you have any crime. I think

00:51:27.980 --> 00:51:30.079
that's what's scary about is like this world

00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:33.199
seems like a perfect utopia. Some like maybe.

00:51:34.099 --> 00:51:37.420
Any dissent, even if they sense an anomaly, it's

00:51:37.420 --> 00:51:39.380
stamped out and I want to see him doing some

00:51:39.380 --> 00:51:41.360
fucked up shit in this. I really like the idea

00:51:41.360 --> 00:51:43.500
that he was one of these like let's call him

00:51:43.500 --> 00:51:45.840
blanks, right? He's one of these blanks. He was

00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:48.519
recruited. Yeah, so he knows he was awakened.

00:51:48.659 --> 00:51:50.840
Yeah, so he was one of these blanks who now is

00:51:50.840 --> 00:51:53.289
like part of their like so. I need you to help

00:51:53.289 --> 00:51:57.849
keep the brains, everything on track. You aren't

00:51:57.849 --> 00:51:59.929
susceptible to this, so we're going to need you

00:51:59.929 --> 00:52:02.110
to help keep it on the rails. Does he and Bernthal

00:52:02.110 --> 00:52:05.789
end up having a confrontation or a conversation

00:52:05.789 --> 00:52:08.329
that leads to something, like, accidentally?

00:52:08.929 --> 00:52:11.130
Like, maybe Bernthal does have a little bit of

00:52:11.130 --> 00:52:13.429
compassion for his brother at the end. Ooh, I

00:52:13.429 --> 00:52:16.650
could see that. Or the opposite, where, like,

00:52:16.710 --> 00:52:19.050
Zayn's character and Bernthal are tag -teaming.

00:52:19.190 --> 00:52:20.829
Ooh, like, they're both beating the shit out

00:52:20.829 --> 00:52:23.349
of him. Like, you keep Bernthal hardcore. I can

00:52:23.349 --> 00:52:25.329
see that. I can see both. I can see both. I'm

00:52:25.329 --> 00:52:27.650
not sure which way at this moment. This may be

00:52:27.650 --> 00:52:29.789
the dumbest question asked in the history of

00:52:29.789 --> 00:52:33.650
podcasts, this context or any. What place do

00:52:33.650 --> 00:52:36.630
animals have in this world? And can that angle

00:52:36.630 --> 00:52:40.920
be used? Interestingly, like. Are they, are there

00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:43.239
animals? Are they gone? Is there a distinct absence?

00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:45.239
Ooh, that would be terrifying. Like we don't

00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:47.400
actually, like there's no animal noises. It's

00:52:47.400 --> 00:52:50.340
just like everything's a mega city and humanity's

00:52:50.340 --> 00:52:51.900
perfect, quote unquote. Animals upset the balance.

00:52:52.099 --> 00:52:54.940
They're too unpredictable. That would be a wild

00:52:54.940 --> 00:52:57.260
thing. And like, we don't explain it or why they

00:52:57.260 --> 00:52:59.739
don't exist inside the film. It's just like,

00:52:59.900 --> 00:53:02.320
you got to come here. Like it does, we... No,

00:53:02.340 --> 00:53:04.059
wait, but like they don't explain it. I could

00:53:04.059 --> 00:53:05.800
see that. That would be terrifying. That would

00:53:05.800 --> 00:53:08.940
be like like Elijah was just like walking like

00:53:08.940 --> 00:53:11.000
he's going through. He's touring the town, right?

00:53:11.019 --> 00:53:12.599
Like they're showing him the tour. And before

00:53:12.599 --> 00:53:14.500
he runs into Kate back and say, like, he's like,

00:53:14.579 --> 00:53:16.400
where are the birds? Like they have gardens and

00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:18.239
like they have birds and like they have wildlife

00:53:18.239 --> 00:53:20.320
for the elites. And he's like, that's that's

00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:22.179
interesting. That's a that could be problematic,

00:53:22.460 --> 00:53:24.659
though. Could be. How do you hide it? I like

00:53:24.659 --> 00:53:26.340
the idea that there's nothing. There's nothing.

00:53:26.500 --> 00:53:29.840
And they find the first one. OK, I could see

00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:33.460
that. I can see it. So there's me. OK, I'm getting

00:53:33.460 --> 00:53:35.960
wild. There's a forbidden zone. Nobody's allowed

00:53:35.960 --> 00:53:38.519
to go to this feels like a little bit. They find

00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:41.840
they find a little squirrel. I don't know. A

00:53:41.840 --> 00:53:44.860
bunny rabbit. I don't know how you if so I'm

00:53:44.860 --> 00:53:47.000
interested by the no animals. Yeah, that's interesting.

00:53:47.159 --> 00:53:48.739
I think that's pretty heartbreaking. Just the

00:53:48.739 --> 00:53:50.559
idea. Right. Right. Humanity is still alive.

00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:52.340
And then you're like, well, I guess, you know,

00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:54.989
and then. It may not be interesting. I don't

00:53:54.989 --> 00:53:56.869
know why I said it, but like, I think it really

00:53:56.869 --> 00:53:59.269
does strike at something. I saw what? OK, I'll

00:53:59.269 --> 00:54:04.389
be honest. I saw Bernthal and and Zane's character

00:54:04.389 --> 00:54:06.809
threatening Elijah Wood with some kind of animal.

00:54:07.030 --> 00:54:08.650
That's what kind of brought it up. Then I was

00:54:08.650 --> 00:54:12.110
like, OK, OK, well, maybe, you know, they're

00:54:12.110 --> 00:54:15.550
they could maybe they have a threatening dog

00:54:15.550 --> 00:54:17.929
or some sort. Right. But I like the idea of no,

00:54:17.929 --> 00:54:20.269
no animals. I like the idea of like nature has

00:54:20.269 --> 00:54:23.420
kind of lost out. Yeah. Yeah, nature's lost out

00:54:23.420 --> 00:54:25.519
to humanity. Okay, that may be a narrative problem,

00:54:25.579 --> 00:54:27.440
but I think it's kind of fun. I think it's actually

00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:30.059
pretty interesting. Remember, the world we're

00:54:30.059 --> 00:54:31.699
building is these humans are balanced, right?

00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:34.760
These humans have figured out whether through

00:54:34.760 --> 00:54:37.039
coercion or some other means, they are quote

00:54:37.039 --> 00:54:40.260
unquote balanced. They are at peace with the

00:54:40.260 --> 00:54:42.960
world they live in. In the world they live in,

00:54:43.179 --> 00:54:44.980
it turns out humanity didn't do such a good job

00:54:44.980 --> 00:54:48.719
of being caretakers of their planet. Right. I

00:54:48.719 --> 00:54:51.340
can see that being the case. Outside the mega

00:54:51.340 --> 00:54:54.199
city. I love Logan's run because when he you

00:54:54.199 --> 00:54:57.019
know when they break out and they Find you know,

00:54:57.079 --> 00:54:59.659
what was the old capital and the one guy even

00:54:59.659 --> 00:55:02.239
amongst the books I could see this same kind

00:55:02.239 --> 00:55:04.980
of idea like they bust out of the city or something

00:55:04.980 --> 00:55:07.780
or with this mega city and like this they realize

00:55:07.780 --> 00:55:10.679
that like Humans lost humanity along the way

00:55:10.679 --> 00:55:13.719
can well I mean I talked about honoring that

00:55:13.719 --> 00:55:17.059
movie the story curve on a Harrison Bergeron,

00:55:17.099 --> 00:55:20.860
right? Sean Astin We could throw him in this.

00:55:21.019 --> 00:55:23.579
That's a fun nod to that. But in that movie and

00:55:23.579 --> 00:55:26.599
story, I think what really breaks it loose is

00:55:26.599 --> 00:55:29.780
he takes control of a broadcasting tower. OK.

00:55:29.840 --> 00:55:33.559
And that's what starts to wake. So how do you

00:55:33.559 --> 00:55:38.900
wake people up on a planetary scale and expose

00:55:38.900 --> 00:55:41.980
a very interesting singular alien conspiracy?

00:55:42.260 --> 00:55:45.280
Is it like we're exposing the ship that's been

00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:49.639
here the whole time? Is it? slow because sometimes

00:55:49.639 --> 00:55:51.860
it's just like the first thing and then you let

00:55:51.860 --> 00:55:55.079
people go, OK, well, I assume now that they fix

00:55:55.079 --> 00:55:57.079
it because these two have started, they're going

00:55:57.079 --> 00:56:00.940
to do this. You know what I mean? Yeah, I I feel

00:56:00.940 --> 00:56:03.099
like we're going to end a little tragically.

00:56:03.500 --> 00:56:06.719
What they don't succeed. No, no, I didn't say

00:56:06.719 --> 00:56:08.760
that. I said tragic. I didn't say they didn't

00:56:08.760 --> 00:56:11.500
succeed. I'm just saying we end a little tragically.

00:56:11.960 --> 00:56:14.320
You you took us there. No, no. All right. Denzel

00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:19.230
Washington dies. Why do it again? How dare we

00:56:19.230 --> 00:56:21.369
kill him again? Denzel, please. We should win

00:56:21.369 --> 00:56:26.550
an award for that. Kind of tying back to the

00:56:26.550 --> 00:56:29.250
Elysium thing. So Matt Damon gets the signal

00:56:29.250 --> 00:56:33.929
out, right? But then he dies tragically. He actually

00:56:33.929 --> 00:56:36.030
gets the thing out. So humanity can be saved

00:56:36.030 --> 00:56:38.949
along the way. I like the idea that... Somewhere

00:56:38.949 --> 00:56:41.309
along the way like let's assume that Kate and

00:56:41.309 --> 00:56:44.469
Elijah get out of this mega city They stumble

00:56:44.469 --> 00:56:47.610
upon son Sean Aston. What if he's like some radio

00:56:47.610 --> 00:56:50.210
DJ, you know, like it's very simply just just

00:56:50.210 --> 00:56:52.610
he's been running a pirate radio station out

00:56:52.610 --> 00:56:55.530
of the outside the mega city and He gives them

00:56:55.530 --> 00:56:58.849
the idea of like look we We don't need to have

00:56:58.849 --> 00:57:01.369
a violent overthrow because you can't convince

00:57:01.369 --> 00:57:03.570
people to do that because it's too long. It's

00:57:03.570 --> 00:57:05.889
too long. It's the world and everybody's right.

00:57:06.070 --> 00:57:08.289
But there's eight billion right now currently

00:57:08.289 --> 00:57:10.489
in our timeline. Two hundred years from now,

00:57:10.550 --> 00:57:13.050
let's assume how many with the sizes of the countries

00:57:13.050 --> 00:57:15.250
are many countries have been. Yeah, who knows?

00:57:15.389 --> 00:57:17.429
Right. It's on a planetary scale. But the idea

00:57:17.429 --> 00:57:20.369
is like I could see it being where Elijah goes

00:57:20.369 --> 00:57:24.239
home and like gets a confession. and then like

00:57:24.239 --> 00:57:26.699
this gets broadcast out like a video or something

00:57:26.699 --> 00:57:28.579
like that and this is what starts awakening people

00:57:28.579 --> 00:57:30.980
like he's actually like recording them and like

00:57:30.980 --> 00:57:33.880
broadcasting live and like people are just watching

00:57:33.880 --> 00:57:35.800
the tvs and the screens and all the things that

00:57:35.800 --> 00:57:38.639
have been propagandized by and then here he is

00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:41.579
like they jump into the system and you know they

00:57:41.579 --> 00:57:43.860
broadcast that people are like wait what is the

00:57:43.860 --> 00:57:47.280
idea maybe that the alien originated as something

00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:49.860
and now it's just distilled into something like

00:57:49.860 --> 00:57:52.349
we need to dispose of the alien threat Right.

00:57:52.550 --> 00:57:54.349
I don't know if there's an alien. I like the

00:57:54.349 --> 00:57:56.050
idea that it's just humanity keeps doing this

00:57:56.050 --> 00:57:57.789
to itself. And they've just checked out. Yeah.

00:57:57.909 --> 00:58:00.289
Like, so it was it started as an alien threat.

00:58:00.610 --> 00:58:02.769
And so that's kind of interesting because you

00:58:02.769 --> 00:58:05.550
can reawaken. Oh, this is great. In my opinion,

00:58:05.670 --> 00:58:08.010
maybe you can reawaken things, but there's going

00:58:08.010 --> 00:58:10.849
to be a threat that they come back. Oh, so you

00:58:10.849 --> 00:58:14.809
set up a sequel by like, how do we prepare? So

00:58:14.809 --> 00:58:17.250
is the idea. So let me get this straight. Is

00:58:17.250 --> 00:58:20.880
the idea that Daniel Day -Lewis? Somehow, we

00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:23.719
saw the aliens were coming and was like, hey,

00:58:23.800 --> 00:58:27.480
the only way to save humanity is to destroy humanity

00:58:27.480 --> 00:58:30.000
by making people lose them. No, no, no. You're

00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:33.460
right. You said it originally. He's just this

00:58:33.460 --> 00:58:36.360
system. They crash. They find that there's no

00:58:36.360 --> 00:58:38.619
longer a threat. And you're right. Now we're

00:58:38.619 --> 00:58:40.880
just self -perpetuating the machine. Holy shit.

00:58:41.000 --> 00:58:43.719
So I think there's a way to find out that the

00:58:43.719 --> 00:58:45.960
alien, nobody's here anymore. This family's it,

00:58:46.300 --> 00:58:50.289
right? We need to start figuring out how to fight

00:58:50.289 --> 00:58:53.369
for our right to party. And it's an interesting

00:58:53.369 --> 00:59:01.789
moral question. We can go on this way. We can

00:59:01.789 --> 00:59:08.030
go on this way. But do we? You know what I mean?

00:59:08.349 --> 00:59:11.630
And how far do we go? How do we introduce a little

00:59:11.630 --> 00:59:14.530
whimsy? How do we allow people to be their best

00:59:14.530 --> 00:59:18.369
or to feel depressed? or to feel sad or feel

00:59:18.369 --> 00:59:20.349
grief because people are still dying, but they're

00:59:20.349 --> 00:59:22.469
just coping with it fine. Yeah, everything's

00:59:22.469 --> 00:59:24.550
fine. Everything's just there could be a question

00:59:24.550 --> 00:59:27.110
like, well, when my grandma dies, how am I supposed

00:59:27.110 --> 00:59:30.469
to feel? Mm hmm. I can see that. Well, start

00:59:30.469 --> 00:59:35.289
by feeling or whatever. You're right. Director.

00:59:36.769 --> 00:59:41.940
This is a. Feels like a very heady movie. Right

00:59:41.940 --> 00:59:43.239
now that it's a bad thing. It just feels like

00:59:43.239 --> 00:59:46.239
this is a thinking but there's story to it is

00:59:46.239 --> 00:59:50.420
James Cameron good for this I Don't I won't say

00:59:50.420 --> 00:59:53.340
no James Cameron is great. I just don't know

00:59:53.340 --> 00:59:56.079
no he's or maybe I'm thinking of another alien

00:59:56.079 --> 00:59:58.480
or Ridley Scott is actually I meant and I can

00:59:58.480 --> 01:00:01.639
see Ridley Scott doing this because as a feels

01:00:01.639 --> 01:00:05.300
like anchor I'd put John Carpenter in there if

01:00:05.300 --> 01:00:08.639
we're gonna do like Paul Verhoeven. Oh, I would

01:00:08.719 --> 01:00:11.039
I would put my hat on Paul Verhoeven. And I'm

01:00:11.039 --> 01:00:13.619
just cheating because of the commercials. But

01:00:13.619 --> 01:00:16.699
honestly, no. But let's be real, of all like

01:00:16.699 --> 01:00:20.699
the directors, directors, that man, like he did

01:00:20.699 --> 01:00:23.800
RoboCop, Starship Troopers, and love it or hate

01:00:23.800 --> 01:00:26.219
it, he did Showgirls. And I don't care where

01:00:26.219 --> 01:00:29.039
you stand on it. Name me another director that

01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:31.039
could do those three movies right here right

01:00:31.039 --> 01:00:32.639
now, because I couldn't name you another director

01:00:32.639 --> 01:00:36.440
that could do sci -fi quite to that extent. Yeah.

01:00:36.679 --> 01:00:40.420
Paul Verhoeven, if if you're listening, we can

01:00:40.420 --> 01:00:42.239
get Elijah Wood on the line and we can make this

01:00:42.239 --> 01:00:44.860
movie. I'm sure he'd produce it with us. OK,

01:00:44.940 --> 01:00:50.199
so if we if we. Oh, that's I love that. That's

01:00:50.199 --> 01:00:51.960
awesome. Yeah, I think Paul Verhoeven would really,

01:00:52.039 --> 01:00:55.420
really get this. He would do the satire so good,

01:00:55.519 --> 01:00:57.179
like all the other satires that people didn't

01:00:57.179 --> 01:01:00.699
realize he satire like Duncan Jones. Right. It

01:01:00.699 --> 01:01:04.659
don't get. Oh, yes. Yes. Just let him write it.

01:01:04.659 --> 01:01:08.179
Uh huh. That's a direct. Why am I spacing on

01:01:08.179 --> 01:01:12.159
his name? He's a spaceman. I was like David Bowie's

01:01:12.159 --> 01:01:13.639
son, right? And I was like, why was I spacing

01:01:13.639 --> 01:01:15.599
on it? Yeah. I can definitely see that. Duncan

01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:17.880
Jones, just focus on writing it. Yeah. That's

01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:21.440
it. And then Verhoeven. Is he our first non -writer

01:01:21.440 --> 01:01:23.920
director that we've selected? No, I think we've

01:01:23.920 --> 01:01:26.019
done it once before. Well, OK, one. It's harder

01:01:26.019 --> 01:01:27.760
to do, I guess. But we should push ourselves.

01:01:27.900 --> 01:01:30.059
We should push ourselves. But yes, Duncan Jones,

01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:32.920
please write this movie. Tonally, I think it

01:01:32.920 --> 01:01:36.800
works really well. He can do humor. Mute was

01:01:36.800 --> 01:01:40.780
good. And yeah, but it's heavy. Like, yeah, we're

01:01:40.780 --> 01:01:42.820
going to hit some real buttons. Moon is heavy.

01:01:42.820 --> 01:01:45.619
If you really kind of look at it and it's sending

01:01:45.619 --> 01:01:48.400
a clone to the moon. But there's some letting

01:01:48.400 --> 01:01:51.719
him die and come to terms with his humanity through

01:01:51.719 --> 01:01:53.800
a clone. Yeah, he could do this. Well, I'm very

01:01:53.800 --> 01:01:56.880
excited. I'm excited. The overall arc of this.

01:01:56.960 --> 01:02:00.849
Yeah, this has some fun. We have a lot of CG

01:02:00.849 --> 01:02:02.989
in it. I think because you have to make a city

01:02:02.989 --> 01:02:05.869
Yeah, there can be you know, I think the set

01:02:05.869 --> 01:02:08.929
design is super fun How you play with you know,

01:02:08.989 --> 01:02:11.170
what nature looks like yeah example So like making

01:02:11.170 --> 01:02:13.309
this movie I'd pitch it like you can't have no

01:02:13.309 --> 01:02:14.949
forests or whatever Like what does the world

01:02:14.949 --> 01:02:17.090
look like, you know what my India look like?

01:02:17.329 --> 01:02:22.710
I like the little bits of humor tagline, we've

01:02:22.710 --> 01:02:24.769
talked around a bunch of potential taglines.

01:02:24.789 --> 01:02:26.590
Yeah, you got any suggestions at the moment for

01:02:26.590 --> 01:02:27.909
a tagline? Any of those that you remember? Because

01:02:27.909 --> 01:02:29.949
I don't remember any of those taglines we potentially

01:02:29.949 --> 01:02:33.150
could have. I wrote Good Men Do Something, initially,

01:02:33.869 --> 01:02:36.530
because you said earlier, like... All it takes

01:02:36.530 --> 01:02:38.349
for evil to thrive is for good men to do nothing.

01:02:38.369 --> 01:02:40.789
Oh, yeah, that's why. So I just wrote down Good

01:02:40.789 --> 01:02:43.989
Men Do Something, but that's kind of corny and

01:02:43.989 --> 01:02:48.800
good men, I don't know. But edge case is the

01:02:48.800 --> 01:02:51.820
dystopian movie. It's just what people like call

01:02:51.820 --> 01:02:54.840
him because of his way of thinking that kind

01:02:54.840 --> 01:02:58.079
of thing. I can see it being like humanity calling

01:02:58.079 --> 01:03:01.280
being the tagline. This is humanity calling.

01:03:01.519 --> 01:03:04.099
Yeah. Not even just this is just humanity calling.

01:03:04.940 --> 01:03:06.940
Because I mean, it seems like the world we built

01:03:06.940 --> 01:03:10.880
like humans exist, but they aren't human anymore.

01:03:11.159 --> 01:03:13.840
Well, so the idea of the movie, though, is to

01:03:13.880 --> 01:03:18.420
break free from your very content, happy, well,

01:03:18.420 --> 01:03:21.420
maybe they don't want to be disrupted. Ooh, maybe

01:03:21.420 --> 01:03:25.219
you just call it disruption line one, edge case,

01:03:25.519 --> 01:03:29.300
disruption line one. Yeah. A little fight for

01:03:29.300 --> 01:03:31.739
your right to disrupt, fight a little bit of

01:03:31.739 --> 01:03:34.659
disruption goes a long way. I like disruption.

01:03:34.960 --> 01:03:37.119
Good men do something is kind of nice because

01:03:37.119 --> 01:03:40.659
it has that tie to what you're saying I do it

01:03:40.659 --> 01:03:44.119
all right good men do something That's more of

01:03:44.119 --> 01:03:47.059
a classical like literature. It feels very inspired

01:03:47.059 --> 01:03:49.699
Is it good men and then comma do something or

01:03:49.699 --> 01:03:52.639
is it break it up? Yeah good men do something

01:03:52.639 --> 01:03:56.360
edge case starring Elijah would it doesn't even

01:03:56.360 --> 01:03:58.559
it's not even a question It's more of like just

01:03:58.559 --> 01:04:01.860
please do something. Yeah, anybody you know it's

01:04:01.860 --> 01:04:04.519
like people are like But it's a thinker, if you're

01:04:04.519 --> 01:04:06.619
a learned human being, you know, it's a nice

01:04:06.619 --> 01:04:08.000
little tie to... It doesn't mean we're not gonna

01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:10.300
have violence in it. Also, alright, I... Billy

01:04:10.300 --> 01:04:12.619
Zane's gonna do horrid shit in this movie. Not

01:04:12.619 --> 01:04:15.260
to say I don't like Jon Bernthal in it. I'm just

01:04:15.260 --> 01:04:17.039
thinking about it right now. I know our love

01:04:17.039 --> 01:04:20.360
for Jerry B. And his films. Yeah. I would like

01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:23.159
to see who is the bad guy in game. Was it Michael

01:04:23.159 --> 01:04:26.579
C. Hall? I would love to see him as John Bernthal's

01:04:26.579 --> 01:04:28.159
character. I'm sorry, John Bernthal. I think

01:04:28.159 --> 01:04:31.460
Michael C. Hall as the brother character, his

01:04:31.460 --> 01:04:33.199
intensity. And he's definitely forgotten about.

01:04:33.300 --> 01:04:35.719
But if you watch Dexter, you know him. And if

01:04:35.719 --> 01:04:38.159
you've seen him in gamer, he's ripped. Yeah.

01:04:38.239 --> 01:04:40.219
So let's get him back into that. Let's get into

01:04:40.219 --> 01:04:43.780
that. Yeah. But like, I like the idea that he's

01:04:43.780 --> 01:04:47.690
fanatical. Yep. And Like really die hard to the

01:04:47.690 --> 01:04:50.570
cause opposite Elijah Wood. He's a die hard to

01:04:50.570 --> 01:04:53.449
the cause. Yeah, I could see him playing. I could

01:04:53.449 --> 01:04:56.530
see him killing that role. Not enough rules for

01:04:56.530 --> 01:05:00.869
him. I don't know why. My son and wife started

01:05:00.869 --> 01:05:04.170
watching Dexter and I've actually I started watching

01:05:04.170 --> 01:05:07.269
it back in the day and I couldn't continue because

01:05:07.269 --> 01:05:09.570
of one of the actors on it. I just stand there

01:05:09.570 --> 01:05:13.199
acting. I only watched like three episodes. And

01:05:13.199 --> 01:05:16.840
I never did. So I've been dipping back in and

01:05:16.840 --> 01:05:20.199
I think he's he's fine. There's like the narration.

01:05:20.639 --> 01:05:23.480
I'm not like super hot on it. I think he's better

01:05:23.480 --> 01:05:29.039
and gamer. But I like him a lot. He's got a look.

01:05:29.420 --> 01:05:31.659
He's got an edge to him. I wonder if it's the

01:05:31.659 --> 01:05:33.320
character Dexter. And that's why you don't like

01:05:33.320 --> 01:05:35.079
it as much, because as an actor, he's great.

01:05:35.139 --> 01:05:37.219
And I just wonder if maybe Dexter as a character

01:05:37.219 --> 01:05:39.420
is what's making you dislike. And we lived in

01:05:39.420 --> 01:05:41.340
Miami. That's why I think maybe we're watching

01:05:41.340 --> 01:05:44.070
it. But all I know is that. I didn't watch it

01:05:44.070 --> 01:05:46.090
in order because like it wasn't like I didn't

01:05:46.090 --> 01:05:48.070
wasn't planning on it. But I remember being in

01:05:48.070 --> 01:05:49.750
college and like my suitemates were watching

01:05:49.750 --> 01:05:51.230
it and like we were just hanging out. And then

01:05:51.230 --> 01:05:53.190
all of a sudden, like we were on the John Lithgow

01:05:53.190 --> 01:05:55.690
season and I ended up being stuck there for like

01:05:55.690 --> 01:05:57.610
literally like it was just episode after episode

01:05:57.610 --> 01:05:59.710
after episode. And it's like I couldn't leave

01:05:59.710 --> 01:06:01.090
the room because it's like, what is happening

01:06:01.090 --> 01:06:02.369
next? And like right to the end of the season.

01:06:02.469 --> 01:06:06.269
He's like, what the hell? And he's like, I remember

01:06:06.269 --> 01:06:08.170
my suitemates like, yeah, that was probably not

01:06:08.170 --> 01:06:10.150
a good place for you to jump in because like

01:06:10.150 --> 01:06:14.940
that's that's a season. Basil Paladuras is a

01:06:14.940 --> 01:06:18.920
composer that I love. And I think he didn't forgive

01:06:18.920 --> 01:06:21.099
me. He may have done RoboCop, but he did Conan

01:06:21.099 --> 01:06:23.639
the Barbarian, the original. Could he score this?

01:06:23.780 --> 01:06:26.480
Yes, he did on Fred October. Yeah, I can see

01:06:26.480 --> 01:06:29.400
it. So he could do sci fi. He could do. But like

01:06:29.400 --> 01:06:32.340
I as a composer, I think you can have a pretty

01:06:32.340 --> 01:06:35.059
because like Conan, there's some big themes and

01:06:35.059 --> 01:06:38.019
you can have a good theme. I'd like to be a theme.

01:06:38.400 --> 01:06:40.739
I would like and he does epic. Yeah, I would

01:06:40.739 --> 01:06:43.250
like there to be a theme like It almost feels

01:06:43.250 --> 01:06:45.590
oppressive, but at the at some point in their

01:06:45.590 --> 01:06:47.250
highlights, you know, when we get to the good

01:06:47.250 --> 01:06:49.829
highs, like it's the same theme, but in different

01:06:49.829 --> 01:06:52.449
like, you know, musical tones. So it actually

01:06:52.449 --> 01:06:54.849
is like uplifting and happy and not as oppressive.

01:06:55.010 --> 01:06:56.510
I could see that. That'd be really fun to do.

01:06:56.510 --> 01:07:00.110
Should the theme be just a an orchestral variation

01:07:00.110 --> 01:07:03.369
on the fight for your right to party? Yes. Yes.

01:07:06.130 --> 01:07:09.250
We need a ominous singer. We need an ominous

01:07:09.250 --> 01:07:11.760
like. You know, very vocally singer. And we can't

01:07:11.760 --> 01:07:14.000
suggest Enya. We already used Enya. You know,

01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:16.920
I was in a band that actually put that out on

01:07:16.920 --> 01:07:20.179
a CD, like a thrash version of it. So we would

01:07:20.179 --> 01:07:23.980
give it to this movie for free. OK. At least

01:07:23.980 --> 01:07:26.960
that's my opinion. But it's kind of a funny song

01:07:26.960 --> 01:07:30.400
to put in there. So if you listening are thinking

01:07:30.400 --> 01:07:33.820
to what's the ultimate, we're just breaking everybody

01:07:33.820 --> 01:07:35.900
free for their normalcy. And we have to figure

01:07:35.900 --> 01:07:38.360
out how much to get crazy. What's the perfect

01:07:38.360 --> 01:07:42.260
song? that underscores that. We have a song,

01:07:42.320 --> 01:07:44.519
but I want to hear what your guys' song is suggesting.

01:07:44.920 --> 01:07:47.659
Let free, but not too much. You know, how much

01:07:47.659 --> 01:07:50.320
is too much, that kind of thing. Want to Break

01:07:50.320 --> 01:07:53.239
Free by Queen? Think about the end of this movie,

01:07:53.340 --> 01:07:56.619
and there's got to be a good last line by...

01:07:56.619 --> 01:08:02.639
Master of Puppets by Metallica. That'd be a good

01:08:02.639 --> 01:08:05.090
one to end it on. That is a good one. That's

01:08:05.090 --> 01:08:07.610
ironical. It was so ironic, like people finally

01:08:07.610 --> 01:08:09.690
are no longer puppets. And then we played math.

01:08:10.250 --> 01:08:15.369
But puppets of their own choosing, doing their

01:08:15.369 --> 01:08:18.750
own strings, the whole thing. Got some strings

01:08:18.750 --> 01:08:21.050
on. We should actually have it be I got no strings

01:08:21.050 --> 01:08:25.409
on me. Oh, that's a great. Yes. Disney, would

01:08:25.409 --> 01:08:27.989
you please let us use those rights? There you

01:08:27.989 --> 01:08:30.590
go. To edge case to edge case. Probably rated

01:08:30.590 --> 01:08:33.630
R. Definitely rated R. There's not going to be

01:08:33.630 --> 01:08:35.930
much violence, but I can see bits of violence.

01:08:36.590 --> 01:08:40.310
Or implied. Definitely adult themes. Definitely

01:08:40.310 --> 01:08:43.970
some swears. Well, we've done it with almost

01:08:43.970 --> 01:08:46.310
just under two minutes. Do we have anything left

01:08:46.310 --> 01:08:48.890
on our list? I looked at character, director,

01:08:49.109 --> 01:08:52.170
plot, to conclusion tagline. We didn't avalanche

01:08:52.170 --> 01:08:55.409
it. Yeah. It took us a while to get going. Edge

01:08:55.409 --> 01:08:58.199
case, that was quite a title. edge case. I almost

01:08:58.199 --> 01:09:00.220
forgot we needed a director. Yeah. And I was

01:09:00.220 --> 01:09:01.619
like, Oh, we were going, we were going pretty

01:09:01.619 --> 01:09:03.699
hard on like trying to figure this story out.

01:09:03.800 --> 01:09:06.359
And that's a tough story. Maybe we're being too

01:09:06.359 --> 01:09:08.979
hard on ourselves, but I like the idea that humanity

01:09:08.979 --> 01:09:11.720
is essentially like self -censoring itself and

01:09:11.720 --> 01:09:14.020
got in steering itself down this path to like

01:09:14.020 --> 01:09:16.560
lose its humanity. And then the aliens are like,

01:09:16.699 --> 01:09:19.670
just let it slowly go. Keep going. The aliens

01:09:19.670 --> 01:09:22.409
didn't want us to progress. That's what it was.

01:09:22.909 --> 01:09:25.869
That's what the story is. The story is the aliens

01:09:25.869 --> 01:09:27.869
are like, we really don't want them to get off

01:09:27.869 --> 01:09:30.050
the plane. Like, are they checking? What if they

01:09:30.050 --> 01:09:38.130
check back in? The very last scene of the whole

01:09:38.130 --> 01:09:40.770
wink at the camera right at the last bit before

01:09:40.770 --> 01:09:43.649
the final credit rolls is like the alien saucer

01:09:43.649 --> 01:09:46.189
flying back into orbit of Earth and just like,

01:09:46.189 --> 01:09:49.779
oh, shit. Fuck, we messed it up. What are they

01:09:49.779 --> 01:09:51.399
going to do? They're not going to get rid of

01:09:51.399 --> 01:09:53.260
the whole thing, are they? They're not going

01:09:53.260 --> 01:09:55.739
to scrap the whole planet, are they? The predator

01:09:55.739 --> 01:09:58.460
button, the dan dan dan. No, they're going to

01:09:58.460 --> 01:10:01.779
do the, they're going to do the, uh, uh, why

01:10:01.779 --> 01:10:03.319
am I spacing out? Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy,

01:10:03.439 --> 01:10:06.640
you know, where the planet's been, uh, scheduled

01:10:06.640 --> 01:10:09.300
to be destroyed. Just a small pop and then nothing.

01:10:09.539 --> 01:10:12.789
Don't worry about it. Logan, thank you for being

01:10:12.789 --> 01:10:16.449
on this particular. It was a riot. This is a

01:10:16.449 --> 01:10:18.289
dystopian I'm terrified of because it sounds

01:10:18.289 --> 01:10:20.409
like we might go there someday. Those are the

01:10:20.409 --> 01:10:23.289
words we're on track. But listen, Hollywood or

01:10:23.289 --> 01:10:25.590
anybody, I think you should get on this one.

01:10:25.689 --> 01:10:28.649
Reach out, email us. We would love to check us

01:10:28.649 --> 01:10:34.250
out. Next episode coming soon to a theater or

01:10:34.250 --> 01:10:35.149
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