Welcome to A Little Unscripted. The show where
we pull a random title, spin a random genre,
and then try to create a film that honestly shouldn't
work, and is impossible, and is way too expensive,
and no one's asking for, but that's the fun,
one idea, one hour, and zero guarantees. Let's
make this thing. Little Zing there. Hi. How's
it going today, Ryan? Good day. I'm Ryan. This
is Logan. And no matter what, we are going to
make a movie today. I'm good, Logan. That's good.
I'm very excited to be doing this because as
we were rehashing the last movie, I got re -inspired
again about seeing such a movie. Yeah. As impossible
as they all may be. And we've had dead actors
and stuff. That's fine. You know what? We get
to enjoy ourselves and living in the theater
of our mind and being like... Our movie is perfect
and nobody can tell us otherwise. But what you
did remind me along the way in our Western, it
was very sad. Yeah. I'm re -engaged in sadness
again. Yeah. Over the banality of that crime
and the tagline. It definitely hurts. I think
this is a movie that may be one of those movies
you don't see too many times. This isn't maybe
not a re -watch. This is a hard hit. Oh, that's
funny. You know what I'm saying? Braveheart's
kind of like that. It's hard to watch. It might
need time. You need a cleanse. It might be five
to ten years. You don't know. I don't want to
watch that. It's a testament to the film's potency
when it's not that it's a bad movie. I just can't
stand the heartache. I'll either have to detach
or try to make fun of it. a la MST3K. Although
doing that to Braveheart, I'm sure is possible,
just offensive somehow. But it's I can't take
it emotionally. Yeah, I think it says more about
the audience and it's kudos to the directors
for hitting that emotional like like through
line. Exactly. Hey, you did such a good job that
I don't actually want to watch it again. And
a movie like that is so tense and there's so
much heartbreak throughout to the end. The whole
movie like. You're not let off the hook for those
of you who, if you will indulge me for like those
of you who don't know Brave Hearts, like we started
the first 10 minutes with our main character
walking into a room full of swinging dead bodies
like spoiler alert for a 30 plus year old movie.
Everything is depressing for this human being
or this archetype of a human in their life. But
so speaking of Westerns and sad situations, terrible
situations with unfinished business, we created
a pretty. I like the expansiveness of it. Yeah,
I like that it takes time. So do we have anybody
we want to recast? I have ideas. Do we want to
recast anybody? I have an idea of what I would
like to see. I forget exactly who we cast. You
reminded me of so many cool things that I like
the idea of Chris Pine and McConaughey together.
Yes. I still like that. That's possible. I think
that's a possible. In anything. Yeah. Hollywood,
if you're listening. please pair them up. They
would be great acting against each other. In
Catherine Bigelow directing, I'm still super
stoked about it. I only have praise. What do
you have? I think I also have praise, but I think
I have one thing I would like to see. I think
we need to add somebody. I think we need to add
the boss. We may have had the boss and we made
it Tom Cruise. I don't know if Tom Cruise is
a bad selection or we need or an add to. Yeah.
So what I'm thinking is. The banality is great.
Yeah. But I like the idea of like McConaughey
and Chris Pine kind of did like some odd end
job together, kind of like heat, you know, where
like they bring in a new guy and like he's good,
but he hasn't been quite vetted. Right. Right.
So the idea is like they do this job and like
whatever ends up happening after the job. This
is where Chris Pine like sees McConaughey's family.
whole plot kind of gets its gears going. Yeah.
But I would like to see like the boss kind of
be Billy Zane. I think him as a like big handlebar
mustache, like just giant, like to the chin,
just like boss hog style. Like you need some
weight in something to this. You know what I
mean? That gravitas. Because again, he's somebody
who can do. But have that weight. He can do anything,
but like have that intensity. Allow him to be
a better. Do you mean scary? Yeah, I think if
not scary, at least intense, right? Yes. He needs
to have intensity. I love that. Because there's
such thing as being intense without being scary.
Yeah. But they're very, very narrow line there.
Like it's easily crossed. Like I think John Goodman
is one of the like the elite selections for that.
Like how great intensity. Yes. 10 out of 10.
Scariness depends on the role 10 Cloverfield
Lane. Yeah, well about a 10 Truly truly terrifying
and it's like but he could also be the father
about him He could be a father figure, you know
looking at you Roseanne Barr family like he's
a great father figure and that's like also he's
Immensely menacing. Yeah again presence, but
that kindness that kind -heartedness Yeah, I
don't know how much of that comes from like playing
a role that embodied that on TV for so long,
but 10 Cloverfield Lane is so scary. Did it give
you the heebie -jeebies for him? I was so delighted
at how menacing and how truly unhinged ill at
ease I was the whole time watching that movie.
You felt like your skin kind of tingling watching
him in the role and you're like, what is up?
I don't know what's going on. And I'm glad that
he's still fucking thriving. The guy, he's the
Godzilla or King Kong or whatever stuff. The
Monarch. I don't know much about it, but I bet
he kills. I saw the one movie and I thought he
was great. I think he like he's still doing some
action in that Congo Skull Island. I'm like,
this is really fucking interesting. All right.
So I'm in with that. And can we, as we evolve
as a show, incorporate that idea of even if we
have to add something or we're OK adding so we
don't just have to recast, we can maybe flush
this out. We're allowed to adjust on the fly.
That's amazing. things change on the spot. We
came up with a great idea and then you let it
simmer for a little bit. We come back. That's
fair. You know what? We can have a little season
of here and there. And you can definitely reach
out if that's something that you guys are very
opposed to. Yeah. If you guys don't like this,
tell us. But it is more fun. I agree. Yeah. I
think Billy Zane is the boss who brings these
two together. I'm imagining a Sam Elliott style
mustache. I wonder how often we get influenced
by kind of our pre -discussions and what we're
about to do next in a way because I try to totally
detach. Do you have like an internal reset like
when we're about to roll the numbers that? No,
I know sometimes I will be like, oh, that's an
actor I haven't thought of and then like we'll
get to a roll and it's like this person would.
destroy this role and it helps but it's not like
oh yeah I'm gonna make sure that they end up
in it like no I can see the bias I've definitely
had like oh that'd be fun yeah but then when
we're talking about the role and like the movie
that we're building around it it's like nothing
they can't do it just No, I don't think that
that's the one. And then all of a sudden it's
like, sometimes you're just like, wait a minute,
this is the one. Yeah. Well, to center myself,
I'm going to remind myself and those of you listening
of the rules that we set for ourselves. And if
it's your first time listening, thank you for
doing so. This we hope this is fun for you if
you love movies or not. So in this 60 minutes
that. we have been given by the movie lords.
The ones we give to ourselves. We must create
a plot to conclusion. We must have a character.
Nobody wants to look at a blank role. Sorry.
At least one character. We must have a director.
We've been really good. We've been on a good
kick of writer directors. I don't know if we've
done any non writer directors. We've done a few.
Have we? OK. Maybe I mean, maybe one or two.
We listen to our own podcast. We have to come
up with a tagline. Yes. Secretly favorite part.
That's really grown on. Yeah, it gets better.
It can be stressful. It is honest. We keep kind
of leaving it to the last five, 10 minutes, which
is really fun to be like, all right, can we really
come up with like a natural progression of that?
Just the storytelling, because that but episode
one. Yeah. And if this is your first time, go
back to the first go back because. It started
from the tagline. Yeah, the whole Logan's friends
saying having a brilliant life philosophy It's
a great one that I've since adopted on this end
Yeah, and anytime you guys I give you all permission
to use it if you want to use it It's free use
now, but just credit that came from us in this
podcast and my friend, you know But use it but
it's have you tried panicking and it's perfect
for any work situation because at any point in
time somebody will be like I don't know what
to do and you just look them down the eyes like
Have you tried panicking yet? And usually they'll
laugh at you. And if they laugh at you, good.
And if not, and they give you the look of terror,
then you know that they've only been living in
panic and you should probably step in and help
them out. You've shaken something loose. Hopefully
a couple of good to haves. We've come up with
a composer, writers, clearly separate locations,
types of, you know, real sets is not what we're
just coming up with ideas here. Everybody just
spit balling. Not that there are none, but we
have some. And we have some just off the cuff.
We don't want to plan shit. No, no, it's not
fun. It's not that we can't plan. It's that sitting
around in a room chatting with your friends about
the movie you want to make is way easier to do.
when you both enjoy making movies. This is true
that we're fighting. All right. I'm going to
spin the magic wheel here and give us some numbers.
You have the genre typically first. All right.
So our number between one and one hundred. Those
are our titles. That is seventy two. Seventy
two. That's for me. And our number one and fifty
five is thirty four. Thirty four is our genre.
So I'm going to go to our oh boy. I'm trying
to read your body language. Oh, boy. The title
is edge case. Edge case. Edge case. Edge case.
All right. Thirty four, ladies and gentlemen,
is the genre dystopian. Oh, gosh, that's fun.
Yeah. A dystopian edge case. What do you think
of when we have a dystopian edge case? Edge case.
Yeah. What is it? I mean, I get how maybe the
the algorithm put to Weird title two words together.
Mm -hmm, but I like the challenge of trying to
make some fucking sense out of edge case Yeah,
because I think that's gonna be a wall that might
hit who knows? Yeah, this is an interesting title.
So edge case. All right, stop Are you officially
ready to make this movie? I think I'm ready to
write this movie. Are we got a legit? We got
our timer going edge case. Here we go. Could
we add a comma to it edge? Comma case. No case
edge Case edge, we reversed it up. I'm stupefied
by this title. I'm stupefied. This is quite a
title, edge case. A dystopian movie, I feel like
a nonsense, a non sequitur, even if we work into
the film, that it's nonsense. That's the point.
Do you know what I mean? So given a dystopian
film, I feel like we're given some latitude to
be weird. So if this is a chicken or egg thing.
Alright, alright edge case. Well, let's see.
Can you make a case for edge case being a thing?
Like what could an edge case be? I keep imagining
like it's an outlier like there's something going
on like I don't know why my brains like but like
let's treat like it's a math thing and you're
going you got your mean your mode your and all
that stuff like it's an outlier like that's the
edge case like this is like the one thing like
nobody predicted because like the chances of
it happening are so slim to none like who would
have predicted that happening? I'm a simple dumb
creature. And my first instinct was to mirror
that with headcase. You know, the term headcase.
Because I'm trying to rationalize this. And that
may be the wrong thing, but like, what is a headcase?
A headcase is somebody who... Usually crazy or
something to that effect. So is there a way that
you can spin to give some familiarity to it if
that's what we wanted to do? to create a riff
off of headcase, it'd be an edge case. Like,
if you thought a head case was bad, it's like
a... Wait till you meet this edge case? Yeah,
so Dystopian, I honestly, you know, would love
to see Rowdy Piper in this. That could be fun.
But I'm just remaking Hell Comes to Frogtown
probably meets They Live. Yeah, right. But I
like a silly, because Dystopian can be serious.
Yeah. I mean, obviously you're not. So what is
your preference in dystopian? Let me hit you
with this. We technically already, I would argue,
live in a dystopian society. Ha ha ha. But not
in the sense of like, oh, you know, the world
is always chaos. But like, the idea is like.
Well, humanity wasn't the first, you know, we
had dinosaurs. So so like really think about
like we've always lived in a dystopian society
because utopia existed before we did. How dare
you? How dare I get out? You do go home. Where
is that? Oh, why do you why are you unfurling
your philosophy degree? How dare you right now?
In front of everybody, zip it back up. Here's
the thing. So you're talking about. Subtle dystopia.
I'm thinking about trash cans on fire and huge
garbage heaps. I like the idea of like they live
again where it's this real subtle, like you don't
know it's happening. I think even today, like
the world we live in right now feels like we're
the boiling frogs, right? Like the temperature
slowly adjusting where they're like, hey, the
world is changing, but it's so minuscule that
you're not noticing the change as the change
is happening until it's 10, 20 years later. And
you're like, hey, This world that we're currently
living in is not the world that I grew up in.
It's a different place. And we can all see the
writing on the wall. I mean, 9 -11 was a hard
left turn. for the entire world. Could we take
an idea, sort of melding a 12 monkeys idea, so
where it's not, it's like it's the psychology
practice, or something's being taken over subtly,
and they live, it's kind of everything, right?
Like the whole world. And it's through marketing,
but maybe we take that, is that the kind of thing?
Like the version is there is a takeover of some
sort from an exterior force, but they're using
something for some purpose. I think so. And a
fertile ground would be something like psychiatry,
hospitals, and that could be a period piece,
maybe, or not. Are you more interested in something
political? I think that... I know that's maybe
been done before with V or Alien Nation. There's
another... Yeah, V for Red Dead. That definitely
hits the dystopian. Oh, see, that's an interesting
kind of dystopia because... Well, that's been
done. Equilibrium, that 1980 Orwellian thing.
This Orwellian authoritarian regime. Let's riff
on that subtle. Yeah. What's the quiet menace?
What's the the like if it's downright alien or
is it something else? Is it like an otherwise
evolved, like it's an X -Man thing, but it's
subtle, like a mutation has happened, but it's
so subtle. That humanity's not noticing the change?
Something like that. I don't know if that's interesting
or even a thing, but it's, or we could lean fully
into, and I'm throwing you a curve ball into
a dumpster fire world and we just have fun. I
like the idea that you're throwing out with like
the pharmaceuticals. I think that could be interesting.
I also like the idea of, for some reason in my
brain, what if the, kind of tying it back to
like, if anybody can remember, previous episode,
Just North of Trouble, our line was, only clone
perfection. What if the idea here is instead
of we're cloning perfection, what if this dystopian,
the pharmaceutical world is winning, but humanity,
like the base, all of 99 % of the real humans,
are slowly becoming non -humans and like an elite.
Culture is rising up of people who are like we
own the pharmaceuticals and the technology and
like it turns out we're trying to create a whole
different set of there's that Shyamalan movie.
Mm -hmm. I forget what it's called now, which
one? It's the reason one on the beach. Oh, yeah
That's an interesting concept to me, okay, I
feel like that's dystopia. Well, what is that
dystopian? Do we need it worldwide to be dystopian
or does it just need to be like a small? Like
because you could theoretically do it on like
a tiny location and have it be like have the
implication I like the idea of it being something
kind of like that That movie where what's his
head gets to use 100 % of his brain. Oh Lucy
Not Lucy, but similar to that. So that's the
idea. We're doing this to improve you Mm -hmm
But it has to be dystopian. Yeah, that means
like everything's kind of hopeless. What if what
if it's this the idea is that you're like Kind
of like equilibrium, the idea of like, we're
going to limit your emotions or something like
that. But it's not. Right. Yeah, it's not limiting
your emotions. We're making you a more perfect
human along the way or more. Maybe. OK. See,
if we go, let's take the psychology thing in
the extreme is just being here, being in the
middle. OK. And not suppressed, but wanting.
OK. Right. Like wanting. And then all of a sudden,
over years, over years. We have become harmony.
and middle, and so what's the dystopia around?
And maybe it's an alien in origin and it's a
long con, but balance, and it could be corporate
-based, like work -life balance, work -life,
and it's slowly over time, everybody willingly
just becomes even and cool and kind. Now, there
are implications, here's the problem with this
though, there's implications for the world. Yeah,
like if this is a US base, let's say. But maybe
that's interesting. Yeah, maybe everybody's just.
I know, so and that's the big if you remember
the show Fly or Fly and Serenity, the sequel
movie, which is great. Don't disparage them.
Anywho, they have kind of the idea of like they.
they created the perfect world where, you know,
they release the chemicals into the atmosphere
and people they had a subverging effect where
like instead of being peaceful and calm, some
people had adverse effect to where like they
went bananas and like caveman style space, you
know, works. I don't think we do that. I like
the idea of these people becoming so like peaceful,
like people from today wouldn't recognize the
humans that they become. Well, so. Harrison Bergeron
is, do you know, it's, who is it? It's Kurt Vonnegut.
And the plot is, it's via U .S. Constitution,
I think, and it dictates that all Americans are
fully equal. Nobody's allowed to be smarter or
better or what have you. So they take all these
ways to either handicap you, like if you're a
sports, if you're an athlete, you're weighted
down. So they take all these physical means to
like make everybody equal. So I like this idea,
but yes. And then and you know, there's a scene
and I remember in the movie, because it was like
a TV movie with Sean Astin. And the idea is Harrison
Bergeron like breaks into the media center and
he like tries to have a revolution. But I remember
from the movie, this ballerina, she's dancing
on TV and one of her like all of her weights
fall off. And remember, she's been dancing with
weights on her her whole life. Right. To be equal.
And then all of a sudden she feels what it's
like to not have the weights on. It's a powerful
thing. So this may be our idea of something like
this, but it's mental. It's like it's wellness,
well -being, healthy eating, you know, so you
get a little silent green. Kumbaya. But within
the guise, yes, of creating peace. And that's
why you could get worldwide harmony in this.
But driven by a corporation that's alien in nature.
And that's how they steal a line from hot fuzz.
It's for the greater good. The greater good.
The greater good. Yeah. Is that of interest?
I think that's interesting. Like this long con
of like everybody just needs to be balanced and
equal. But like over time. And then we need disruption.
We need to pull the veil off the thing. And what's
fun about this movie, then, is how do we introduce
some chaos? To be like, we need to be a little
edgier. Let's say we're already in this world.
Everybody's, quote unquote, equal, right? But
it's more about mental, not like they're still
like... Are they taking drugs in like equilibrium,
but instead of like it limits their emotions,
they're just like... Somehow, could it be over
time... That we're just made what if we just
like the way our institutions. Yeah, everything
is shaped It's made for everybody just to be
a top -down thing and equal and yeah so like
the world I really like I can imagine seeing
this almost like as a starship trooper satire
where like you get like commercial breaks and
the thing it's like you should go to college
yo yo yo like you should join the military and
you should you should go to be a corporate exec
I think that like that is we should probably
angle this as a satire of of all that as well
Think that that could definitely I'll throw it
back to you. It could be serious. I bet Being
serious is it more fun to be more fun because
you can then lean into when the revolution. Yeah
where And I mean the Beastie Boys fight for your
right to party has to be that his fight for your
right to party is like our anthem song Does we
end the movie with that song as they get to the
casting totally? Absolutely, I think okay because
you can go a certain route Okay, so we're kind
of it's like footloose So we're gonna take this
dystopian edge case and we're going to hold up
the mirror and kind of satirize the world Even
though we're not at they're not asking for us
for a satire and the whole like everybody gets
a trophy everybody's but like Balance and the
idea is like a little bit of chaos even in your
mind is maybe okay So who if we need a moral
who is the person that is going to reject our
balanced world? Because I could see it. I have
an idea Not to say it's the idea, but of all
the people that would probably not be part of
the quote unquote balanced society, it would
probably be the elites and their family members.
Like if there's a pharmaceutical company with
so is there a segment of this world though that
is allowed to be there Yeah, I think so and that's
part of the manipulation. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, like
hey you guys you're not a politician You're not
a leader. You're not a military person like you
don't get to make these decisions Okay, because
well, you're just a base human Can Daniel Day
Lewis be the main kind of bad like the main driver
for? Is he, are John Hurt, like he's going to
show up as like a man on the screen, Big Brother
style? You're Viva Vendetta. I am, but with Daniel
Day Lewis. Yeah, yeah, that's the theory. But
he is eternal. Like he's been around the whole
time and nobody's kind of known. I like the idea
of he's not eternal. And it's a fraudulent thing.
They've been AI or computer generating his face
and just being like. But as a doctor, you could
see in the early ads where they're like there
has to be a beginning of this. And it's people
are like, you know, I'm tired of having no balance
and having whatever. And then it starts to like,
I've gone to this doc. I've gone to this thing.
And then all of a sudden, worldwide mental health
starts to change. And you could see how that
people could be sucked in. Medicine starts to
come in. And then over 200 years. I like the
idea of like in my head for some reason, I'm
imagining like the cameras panning in on the
planet and we get our our planet. Yeah. Our typical
of like speech. you know, a text thing like Star
Wars, where it's like the year is 2020, 2030.
Like we'll say it's four years from now, you
know. Humanity has reached its peak and to save
it, we've figured out how to balance the world.
Wait, wait, we have an opening crawl? Yeah, I
think we should have an opening crawl over time.
I was actually saying, maybe if you wanted to
fast forward the story, you could just show through
like internet chatter how it just goes down.
Yeah, I could see both ways. I could see both
of those. I'd like little bits. Let's OK, let's
say this. If we're going to do satire, we need
a joke about how the YouTube comments section
is the place where people go to relax. The people,
the balanced folks don't go there, but everybody
who's not balanced is going there. The whole
world, everything needs to be balanced or else
it's punished or else it's taken away. As a joke,
like, oh gosh, I was in the YouTube comments
the other day and I just feel so good. I feel
so affirmed. So I think we could do that. I think
you reverse it in that they're not feeling good.
What it is is that the comment sections is what
drove humanity to do this. Well, you could show
all the bad stuff and like reminders in kids
schools, like remember this, you know, people
fighting at McDonald's and just, I think. Yeah,
I think so. I think that's the intro is that
I'm starting to get scared that this could happen.
Are we? Are we? Predicting are we self -fulfilling
prophecy? Is this what's gonna have much? No,
I'm fearful. We're gonna self predict this we
need a A rebel we need we do need a rebel or
maybe rebel without a cause is it a group? Type
of movie. Do we have an ensemble or do we have
a lead? do you are you feeling like a lead character
or is it like a I think a lead I'm feeling a
lead not fun not to say you can't have an ensemble
with like within the this but I think you need
to have somebody run pushing it like somebody
is our hero or protagonist that we are going
to follow their story. I like it. I think that
I think that's what this movie is calling for,
at least off my brain. I can be convinced otherwise
not to say like an ensemble wouldn't work. It's
just I think that what we're trying to tell is
like we're going to tell this person's story
in the confines of this world and how it reacts
to the rest of us. It may be too old. I keep
getting Elysium vibes. Ooh, good movie. And Matt
Damon. Mm -hmm. Is a good disruptor. I like him.
I like Andrew Garfield. Ooh, that'd be a fun
one. Maybe. Andrew Garfield. Because, like, he's
kind of a lookalike, a stand -in for Daniel Day
-Lewis. Okay. But I think he's scrappy. Mm -hmm.
And he's just fucking brilliant. Is he just...
All right. If it is him... This is charismatic
enough. Who is his character? Like, he's our
disrupter. Who is he? This is a big deal. Yeah.
Because how do you get somebody who just, like,
dislodges? I think... Oh, it has to be one of
the elite who defects, right? Yeah. Yeah, so
I think... Oh. I think this is what it is. It's
like, this is why I think the elites need to
have, like, their family is also, like... I think
it needs to be the family. Only one family gets
to damage. Oh, only one family? Okay. Like, I
don't think you can... effectively control the
world like this hard for so long. Yeah. And you
need to mean and over time that group had to
shrink. OK. And that could be part of the story.
Like, well, it started as this. But now only
over and over the last, like, 50 years, it's
only been one family who is in on whatever. Can
I can I throw which is hard? Well, yeah, toss
a little pitch here just to see what test the
water, see what you're thinking. Would you be
all right? with the idea of like, so he he's
not whatever the chemical is or whatever, that
he's not bound by that. It's Andrew Garfield,
if it is him. What if kind of Romeo and Juliet
style, like he sees somebody who is and like
he kind of like he falls for this person who's
actually been like, quote unquote, balanced.
But could could that person be an anomaly? Like
one in a million is immune to all of it. But
has to play ball because I can see that. I think
that falls back almost into equilibrium, almost
close. Well, there's there's medicine there.
I mean, like, this is more like Tron controlled
everywhere, like the the one like she is somebody
who had it. I mean. it would happen over time,
right? Yeah, people would build an immunity after
this. Or an anomaly. And that's just kind of
what's happening. So whatever's going on is coming
to a head. But that is still, we've got narrative
license there. This is somebody that draws his
eye. Yeah, I do kind of like the idea that over
time, some people will become immune to it or
like have developed, like they're no longer affecting
them. But they're still playing the part like
this. Forces like these people are like we're
still doing the things that nobody knows because
otherwise yeah problems And who would know I
mean, maybe if you just didn't know any better.
I love the idea world Yeah, I love the idea going
back to big brother equilibrium 1984 that all
these things like the way it works is like they
coerce the public to do the dirty work for them
That's that's the big secret is like oh the police
are gonna come get you it's like OK, yeah, the
police are going to come get me if they see me
do a crime. What's realistically more likely
to happen is you, my neighbor, are going to witness
it and call the police for me or at me. You know,
so I can see that being part of this story as
well. Like it turns out that like some people
aren't actually balanced anymore. And like they
miss they missed step and they did something
and they noticed. Right. They live style. The
aliens noticed it. So given that it is the elite
and you have like a breakaway is going to be
a younger person. Do you see younger than Andrew
Garfield? Do you do you maybe think that that
is somebody Tom Holland could do? You really
want to go to the Spider -Man. What the fuck
is wrong with me? Are you going Spider -Man?
Sorry. No, I'm not. I'm not. He was like, I really
like the Spidermans. I just like the Chalamet
while we're at it. Is he Spider -Man? No, I think
he auditioned for it, but he did not get the
role of Spidermans. What am I? What role? I like
dark haired dudes. Yeah. Dark hair. I don't know
what's wrong with me. Chiseled jawline. Somebody
who's really... Does it have to be male or female?
Do you want to be a male? That's kind of how
I went because it just sounds like a dude thing
to do. It does kind of sound like a dude thing.
But it has to be somebody who... Here's what's
challenging about this movie, actually. Is this
world is boring. Yeah, I think... So you need
to... And fun challenge. How not possible to
sell. But most of what happens is going to be
boring because everybody's boring. I think so.
An actor who is boring but can be capable of
a reasonable level of of of wildness, intensity
like it's a Robin Williams, you know, a peak
Adam Driver. I can see, you don't, you don't.
Hard no, hard no Adam Driver. It's too hard to
look at. He's not beautiful enough? No. How dare
you. I think we need somebody beautiful. We need
somebody beautiful in this role. Alright, we
need a beautiful. What brought you to Adam Driver?
I don't know, I just, I think he can do cool
and collected. But then he also can go straight
bananas and he can have that emotional outburst
that I think we're looking for this character
to potentially get to. Yeah, exactly. For some
reason I keep imagining him like. kind of like
Charlie Heston in like, you know, Soylent Green,
like at the very end, like he's trying to, you
know, tell the people what's happening. This
is more fun because it's when there's some humor
to it, but dark humor. Yeah. Are you thinking?
Yeah. Yes. Dark humor. I think dark humor is
good. I don't think it's the only thing, but
I think we should, we could have some dark humor.
That helps me with the character because, you
know, and I go back to Andrew Garfield because
The Spider -Man character, Peter Parker is kind
of a zero. Yeah. You know, but he's accidentally
funny and, you know, he's an unlikely hero. But
do you want this to be more of an intentional
hero? I like the idea of like he stumbles into
it. I do like that. So that's a good. I mean,
a lot of actors. Here's a question for him. Before
we try and figure out who this actor is, is the
idea that what if this family? Like going out
and about in public to like show like this is
their son or daughter. Whoever they are like
they're like here Let's show you what the world
looks like and this is where we get to show the
moment You're in on what yes like oh, yeah. Yeah.
Mm -hmm. Yeah where they they're like, hey by
the way, you know, everything's great But it's
like let me show you why everything's great Let
me peel the curtain back for you so you can kind
of see like we made the world this way This is
why the world's like this because it benefits
all society. Yeah I think that needs to happen.
Like we need to have them drive through downtown
like New York or like to the bad parts of town.
And it turns out the bad parts of town are no
longer bad. And like when I was a kid, there
was dirt and debris and everything was everywhere.
And there's chaos on the streets. And it's like,
now look at it. It's perfect. And it's like every
other store is like the same. So it's a lie?
Yeah, not a lie. We just they created. But the
world has been perfect for a long time. They're
just able to be themselves for whatever reason.
Yeah, they created perfection. And so it's just
a way to scare this person. I like the idea that.
But I think the idea is to show that they built
it in that the world wasn't always this way.
Go back to my philosophy a little bit. It's like
if you'll indulge me, I think one of the problems
with heaven is is that there's no drama. Yeah,
everything will be perfect. You'll live in a
beautiful, clouded city and you have all of eternity
to do anything you want. It's like on paper sounds
great. In reality, knowing humanity, we would
never do those things. Elijah Wood. Ooh, I can
see Elijah Wood in this role. Elijah Wood. And
we can cast Sean Astin in it to throw love to
Harrison Bergeron. Elijah Wood, he can do, but
he's got to look. He does have some intensity
to him. And he's kind of ageless, so he could
probably do it today. He could. I mean, it doesn't
have to be ageless. But he can be fancy, you
know, as a part of this thing. I can see a hero's
journey. I mean, Frodo, you know, we can pull
it off. Are you cool with Elijah Wood? I think
I'm all right with him. He brings some indie
charms. It could be indie. Not with Daniel Day
-Lewis, I'm guessing. Daniel Day -Lewis is playing
the figurehead. Is this indie or is this more
major? I think this is a major production. I'd
like it to be major. I think this is a major
production. Kind of like, oh, you could draw
from Pleasantville. Oh, it's Pleasantville. Why
do I not know that one? Tobey Maguire? The other
Spiderman? Yeah, we got all three. This episode
is brought to you by Spider -Man. Yeah, apparently
the Spider -Mans have made an appearance. That's
where the modern day kids go back to like the
perfect 1950s. William H. Macy's in it. Shout
out to a previous episode. But yeah, I feel like
I should add that to my list. It's kind of like
that idyllic little town in Edward Scissorhands.
Everything's perfect, but like filming it on
a big planetary scale would be fun. Yeah. And
then all the shit you can poke at that is always
a fucking nightmare. That is now just nice. Yeah,
everything's great. There's no more like real
red tape. People don't hate each other for no
reason to get to to mocked up in all the. How
does everything work? Right. But that's just
the general idea that over time, it's been manipulated
by the question. Are we still are they still
like presenting ads of like, don't forget to
take your, you know, go to the doctor and get
the job. I don't think it. It's drug related.
That's why it's interesting. It's over time.
It's therapy, drugs are, but then just over time.
And the message is balance. We just want things
over time. And then because, I mean, there could
be that, like, then all of a sudden people start
taking medicine. But I think it's more, it's
cooler that it's your choice. It's not forced.
Equilibrium's that way because you're like, ah,
fuck it, I'm going to take the pill. This is
a long con. To tie it back to like Tolkien I've
if I remember correctly his quote goes something
to the effect of like All it takes for evil to
thrive is for good men to do nothing. Yeah, so
I could definitely see that happening like yeah,
it was so Non -plus that nobody cared while it
was happening and it was too late by the time
anybody did care that it's there's nothing to
do about it Right. I think that that's the story
Elijah Wood is gonna go down. I think Daniel
Day Lewis is He's got to be the doctor. He's
a doctor first and foremost. He's like the one
leading this wellness. It could be even like,
is it interesting if it's more like cultish to
begin or no? What if? Because we got a little.
I like looking back at history a little bit and
that if you remember like the Kellogg's and like
asylums and stuff like that, like we all like
to attribute asylums to like insanity. Yeah,
yeah. And it's like not all asylums are about
insanity, so it could be something to like. We
could combine it with a mega church as well.
Like, hey, here's this cult of personality type
figure, very charismatic, very charming, going
to tell you stuff that like, hey, doing this
will make your life better. And they create a
flock around them. And much like religion does,
they tell the flock to go out and spread the
word. So like, I can see this whole thing becoming
like a religious like. cultural revolution worldwide.
That's not based around religion. That's like
a concerted tone. But somebody will be like,
you're going after this. Or, yeah, I don't think
we need the cult. I don't think in the original
version that we came up with minutes ago, it's
just it's subtle. Yeah, it's just medicine and
psychotherapy and psychiatry. And that's what's
manipulated and played out over 200 years under
the guise of like, you know, normal psych, but
more and more people start coming in for. light
touches. And then over time, yeah, I can see
this movie happening everywhere. And then with
external forces that we don't have to write about.
Yeah. Maybe that's in the serialized novel that
comes after the serialized. You know, it spreads
to the world, but it's spreading is just fine.
I like it. You know, no war. No. And like people
are like, that sounds OK. You know, I'm not going
to strive big. I'm not going to strive like it
doesn't. Right. And you can have tons of stuff
for like CEOs burned out as long as you keep
contributing to society. You're doing good. Yeah.
And so over time, yeah, they can shape society
in a way that just fine. I like and there's still
psychotherapy and things that happen. But they're
just over time. And I wonder how people would
evolve over. Yeah. You know, with these influences,
some are real, some are not. But then over time
that group of elites mm -hmm of which Elijah
Elijah what this is great. I like this is into
it. Yeah young Goldie Hawn as the Mom as his
love interest. No as the love interest we're
getting fanatic I'm just throwing out like wild
things because she's got so much light and she's
so bright But if she like but she's balance if
she wants to do drama when she's done drama.
She can do it But it's kind of like the island.
Did you ever see that? You and McGregor and Scarlett
Johansson, I get those vibes. So I'd like to
match somebody with Elijah Wood maybe that, you
know, through the filmmaking can be muted. But
when they really come alive and they're starting
to like create this revolution, it's more fun
and joyous. Kate Beckinsale do it? Yes. I don't
know. She doesn't get enough roles, I feel like.
And she's she's stellar and everything that I've
ever seen her in. I don't know if everything
she's ever been in is stellar, but she is great.
Yeah, let's do that. You know why? Because she
has a brightness to her. She does. You know,
I think she's probably seven feet taller than
Elijah Wood. A lot of people are maybe. I don't
know how tall he is, but I mean, are we going
to be heightest? Are we ableist now? He hunched
over in Toxic Avenger. Did you see the new Toxic
Avenger? I have not. It's fucking amazing. Is
it good? Kevin Bacon. It's great. Kevin pagans.
He's a villain. Yeah, it's wonderful. Wonderful.
Okay. And he plays this really kind of deformed
character. He's all hunched over with this wild
prosthetic. He looks terrible. I'm down. But
it's so fun. And he's, you know, I like him a
lot. I think I think he carries him would be
like this 100%. All right. It's a huge one. All
right. Kate Beckinsale. Yeah. Yeah, she's great.
So Kind of circle back. I think the idea of like
the family is showing him like driving him around
kind of showing him this mega city Whatever an
idea of his parents. I think those are good characters.
Can Willem Dafoe be his dad? That's a great casting
Willem Dafoe was what age like maybe I like any
age is great at any time. I just think he can
be suspective alien. Like, because the thing
is, like, you have to wonder maybe if over time,
this family is one of them now. I like the idea
that like, and he's got to wonder, am I now?
Maybe at a point in the movie is like, wait,
am I human? I like that idea that humanity is
at that point where it's like, we don't quite
know what is and isn't human. Once things are
revealed, once it's revealed. I like that. I
do like Willem Dafoe. Willem Dafoe is the dad.
I can get behind Willem Dafoe as the dad. That
does sound fun. I'm somewhat of a scientist myself.
If he doesn't have a line like that where he's
a scientist, like he took over as a head scientist
for this company, I'm going to be so disappointed
in us. You know, that may be a high price tag.
I wonder, legitimately, like if you were to do
that, it costs so much. You don't like licensing
music? Yeah, we got licensing lines. No. Licensing
lines? Probably not. No, there's no way. If they're
going to charge you to use a lot, it's trademark
sentence, the whole script. It's clearly been
established in memes. Yeah. Yeah. It's like he
could just say he could literally just be like,
I'm a scientist. I see Laura Dern. I love Laura
Dern. I also love the idea of like I could see
the whole thing being like it's a big extended
family. But like we have a lot of like. I'm imagining,
very Victorian, like, hey, the whole family is
kind of in on the company. Well, yeah, that's
what I mean. So like, I'm trying to think of
his mom, like Willem Dafoe is the dad. Laura
Dern is a great selection. Laura Dern, because,
like, again, what's the recent Admiral Holdo
or whatever, which she showed up in that Star
Wars movie? And it's like, oh, man, like, I've
always liked her. I saw Wild at Heart in the
theater, and it blew my mind. I can see her playing
this. Or Colder. I like the idea that Willem
Dafoe's character is, like, in on it, but, like,
he doesn't really want to be in on it, but she's,
like, the power behind it. Kathy Bates, then?
No, I don't think Kathy. Kathy Bates All -Star.
I think Laura Dern is the right selection. You
like Laura Dern? I do like Laura Dern. I like
the idea of her mysterious, tough, tense, crazy.
I like the idea of her being like the real power
and like the real villain of this. That's a nice
twist for Willem Dafoe, because I think any role
you just assume he's the Alpha or something.
He's everybody assumes that Willem Dafoe is always
the bad guy or tied to it somehow. And it's like,
actually, he's just kind of just He's here. He's
part of the family. We have twenty seven minutes
left. I want to have some fun with can we cast
a brother or sister for Elijah Wood who is not
on board with this journey. Oh, somebody who's
like they're they're hooked with the family opposite.
They're in lockstep. And it could be sister or
brother clearly. Is that of interest? I can see
that. Because extending that family dynamic and
maybe there's a baby. Oh, OK. For just because.
Like he's got to dangle it out the window at
one point. I don't even know if it's human. Fuck
you. I can't carry it, but I can carry you. The
baby drops the baby after saying that beautiful
line. Yeah, but I love the idea of throwing a
baby in there. Just like, why do you have a baby?
You just don't know a sibling for Elijah Wood,
who may be what would you who would like a tough
guy, tough, a tough guy. Tough guy. Perfect tough
guy. A young Sylvester Stallone. John Bernthal?
Yes. I can see John Bernthal. He's got real,
real intense energy with him. He's but like he's
the older brother and he has a lockstep with
the family. Yes We love the bear on this show.
Yeah, we've cast Sean Bertholdt as the brother.
Yeah, who's not on board with this journey? No,
he's so upset He does not like that Elijah wood
has fallen for Kate Beckinsale. He's like she's
just she just but he likes her been one a minute
Yeah, what if he's just like she's just a balance
like we have to have some derogatory term for
these balance folks cuz like these are the elites
like they the balance yeah, like enlightened
the That's funny. The equal, just the levels.
She's just a regular level, dude. She's nobody.
She's nobody special. But you're an edge case,
man. Yes. So it comes back to the head case.
It's just a term. And I don't mind that because,
again, as we've talked through it, I'm like,
oh, it makes sense if somebody calls him an edge
case. I can see that. All right. People are on
board for this. Yeah. I think, yeah, he's great.
I want to see them in the room together. It's
so different. I want to see. Do you agree that
that's the right energy for that family dynamic?
Because you've got that strong female, Maura
Dern. And the baby is a girl, let's say. Yeah.
So something's up there. And maybe the idea is
like, if he's not, if Elijah Wood's not shaping
up, he could go. Right. Once he's exposed to
this, he can join the norwes. But no. Oh, just
gone? Just acts. Yeah, it's way better. It's
easier to remove you from the family than anything
else. We have told you this. We've shown you
need to act accordingly, pointing to baby, baby
sister. Like, we don't need you, bitch. I like
that. This guy is on board. It's like, yeah,
sure. You know, it's like shaved head. His veins
on his throat are just all bulged. Yeah, yeah,
OK. And just like, I'm so excited to be in on
this plot. I'm just, and if you do anything to
threaten him, you're fucking dead. And he wants
Kate back in sale too, and he just can't admit
it. Or maybe he's gay. No, I like the idea that
he also wants Kate back in sale. I also like
the idea that somewhere along the way he learns
that she's one of these immune folks, and he's
like... Well, so I like this idea of her arc
as well. So did we land on the idea that she
is just kind of a physical, some kind of anomaly?
What if it's not an anomaly? Yeah, what if he
somehow... Pulls her out of this but it's easy
like you just need the hero and then the first
supporter Yeah, right. And so is it the power
of love that does it or is there that? Unique
quality where she just reveals like I've just
known that something's wrong. Yeah whole time
and he's like We've evolved. Like you are. So
this is why we need to make a baby together and
spark the revolution. And it turns into a planet
of the ape scenario. That could be fun. I could
see the idea. But you need a future. You need
because they like let's be real about their task.
They need to take on Dana Day -Lewis, who's the
big bad. Which is the ghost of him being perpetuated
by his family. Oh yeah, there we go. We got a
little guy captain. Yeah, this whole thing is
like 1984. We're like, hey, it turns out the
guy running the place. Don't mind that man behind
the curtain. Some alien not been around. Yeah.
But does Daniel Day Lewis? And it's kind of maybe
a shame if he doesn't get to freak the fuck out
on somebody. Oh yeah. Like do a milkshake moment
or no? I think. Is that a waste of a DDL? No,
I think we definitely get to have him at the
end. Turns out he was just been living in a cryo
chamber this whole time and he comes back and
is like, you guys are really fucking up my world
in here. So can we expand on Daniel Day -Lewis's
thing? Can he have a foot soldier? Of course.
I think he needs a female equivalent. Who's a
heavy equivalent for? Daniel Day -Lewis like
somebody Like Faye Dunaway in her prime I could
see that I want to make sure I get the name right
so keep spitballing I want to make sure I grab
in the right person I like him having that and
maybe it's it's it's a relation. Maybe it's a
wife, but somebody who is Like I think I got
like oh who I would I would suggest Lucy lawless
I love it! What the fuck? I just want to make
sure I got her name right. Did you just had to
say Xena, buddy? Yeah, I was like, I could have,
but I was like, no, I think her name's Lucy Lawless,
but I was like, I don't want to pull the wrong
name and be like, it turns out it was a different
rabbit hole. Tell me everything. She's amazing.
She's super powerful. Very that's not the type
I was thinking no, but you know all be wide intensity
and I think that once she has the femininity
But then like she also gets to be like, hey,
like they're doing it right Daniel Day -Lewis
and Lucy lawless. They're doing bad things Oh,
yeah, they're doing bad. That's a big yeah big
because it what's always interesting in these
movies is how they approach sex procreation My
favorite version of it is in demolition man when
it's done. Oh, yeah helmet and Handtel. Yeah
helmet and hand towel H &H You know? What's the
three seashells? That's not sexual. That's for
your butt. I know. I know. I bet some kinky asshole
is doing it. He doesn't even know what it means.
But the idea that there is that female equal
and that's kind of... Can they have like a psycho
foot soldier like Billy Zane as a psycho foot
soldier? Just full on bald, bane bulging. Like
there has to be some violence. There has to be
some... And no, maybe... Or is he just cool and
reserved? No, I think maybe almost funny. Ooh,
he's actually like, he's a relatable guy. And
you see things. You know, again, the world is,
you know, is all very moderate, but there are
still some elements of out of line. Did you ever
watch the rest world, like, show? I did. Alright,
so you know how, like, at the end... spoilers
for anybody who hasn't finished it. But like,
towards the end, turns out that the AI that is,
you know, all over the world, they've been manipulating
everything from crime to the politics. So I could
definitely see, like, that part kind of being
in this film. Some kind of manipulation still
has to happen. Right. Or like, hey, even the
criminals are being manipulated and they don't
realize it. But I wanted... Oh, so you need...
Do you need any crime? I thought we maybe have
no, I don't think you have any crime. I think
that's what's scary about is like this world
seems like a perfect utopia. Some like maybe.
Any dissent, even if they sense an anomaly, it's
stamped out and I want to see him doing some
fucked up shit in this. I really like the idea
that he was one of these like let's call him
blanks, right? He's one of these blanks. He was
recruited. Yeah, so he knows he was awakened.
Yeah, so he was one of these blanks who now is
like part of their like so. I need you to help
keep the brains, everything on track. You aren't
susceptible to this, so we're going to need you
to help keep it on the rails. Does he and Bernthal
end up having a confrontation or a conversation
that leads to something, like, accidentally?
Like, maybe Bernthal does have a little bit of
compassion for his brother at the end. Ooh, I
could see that. Or the opposite, where, like,
Zayn's character and Bernthal are tag -teaming.
Ooh, like, they're both beating the shit out
of him. Like, you keep Bernthal hardcore. I can
see that. I can see both. I can see both. I'm
not sure which way at this moment. This may be
the dumbest question asked in the history of
podcasts, this context or any. What place do
animals have in this world? And can that angle
be used? Interestingly, like. Are they, are there
animals? Are they gone? Is there a distinct absence?
Ooh, that would be terrifying. Like we don't
actually, like there's no animal noises. It's
just like everything's a mega city and humanity's
perfect, quote unquote. Animals upset the balance.
They're too unpredictable. That would be a wild
thing. And like, we don't explain it or why they
don't exist inside the film. It's just like,
you got to come here. Like it does, we... No,
wait, but like they don't explain it. I could
see that. That would be terrifying. That would
be like like Elijah was just like walking like
he's going through. He's touring the town, right?
Like they're showing him the tour. And before
he runs into Kate back and say, like, he's like,
where are the birds? Like they have gardens and
like they have birds and like they have wildlife
for the elites. And he's like, that's that's
interesting. That's a that could be problematic,
though. Could be. How do you hide it? I like
the idea that there's nothing. There's nothing.
And they find the first one. OK, I could see
that. I can see it. So there's me. OK, I'm getting
wild. There's a forbidden zone. Nobody's allowed
to go to this feels like a little bit. They find
they find a little squirrel. I don't know. A
bunny rabbit. I don't know how you if so I'm
interested by the no animals. Yeah, that's interesting.
I think that's pretty heartbreaking. Just the
idea. Right. Right. Humanity is still alive.
And then you're like, well, I guess, you know,
and then. It may not be interesting. I don't
know why I said it, but like, I think it really
does strike at something. I saw what? OK, I'll
be honest. I saw Bernthal and and Zane's character
threatening Elijah Wood with some kind of animal.
That's what kind of brought it up. Then I was
like, OK, OK, well, maybe, you know, they're
they could maybe they have a threatening dog
or some sort. Right. But I like the idea of no,
no animals. I like the idea of like nature has
kind of lost out. Yeah. Yeah, nature's lost out
to humanity. Okay, that may be a narrative problem,
but I think it's kind of fun. I think it's actually
pretty interesting. Remember, the world we're
building is these humans are balanced, right?
These humans have figured out whether through
coercion or some other means, they are quote
unquote balanced. They are at peace with the
world they live in. In the world they live in,
it turns out humanity didn't do such a good job
of being caretakers of their planet. Right. I
can see that being the case. Outside the mega
city. I love Logan's run because when he you
know when they break out and they Find you know,
what was the old capital and the one guy even
amongst the books I could see this same kind
of idea like they bust out of the city or something
or with this mega city and like this they realize
that like Humans lost humanity along the way
can well I mean I talked about honoring that
movie the story curve on a Harrison Bergeron,
right? Sean Astin We could throw him in this.
That's a fun nod to that. But in that movie and
story, I think what really breaks it loose is
he takes control of a broadcasting tower. OK.
And that's what starts to wake. So how do you
wake people up on a planetary scale and expose
a very interesting singular alien conspiracy?
Is it like we're exposing the ship that's been
here the whole time? Is it? slow because sometimes
it's just like the first thing and then you let
people go, OK, well, I assume now that they fix
it because these two have started, they're going
to do this. You know what I mean? Yeah, I I feel
like we're going to end a little tragically.
What they don't succeed. No, no, I didn't say
that. I said tragic. I didn't say they didn't
succeed. I'm just saying we end a little tragically.
You you took us there. No, no. All right. Denzel
Washington dies. Why do it again? How dare we
kill him again? Denzel, please. We should win
an award for that. Kind of tying back to the
Elysium thing. So Matt Damon gets the signal
out, right? But then he dies tragically. He actually
gets the thing out. So humanity can be saved
along the way. I like the idea that... Somewhere
along the way like let's assume that Kate and
Elijah get out of this mega city They stumble
upon son Sean Aston. What if he's like some radio
DJ, you know, like it's very simply just just
he's been running a pirate radio station out
of the outside the mega city and He gives them
the idea of like look we We don't need to have
a violent overthrow because you can't convince
people to do that because it's too long. It's
too long. It's the world and everybody's right.
But there's eight billion right now currently
in our timeline. Two hundred years from now,
let's assume how many with the sizes of the countries
are many countries have been. Yeah, who knows?
Right. It's on a planetary scale. But the idea
is like I could see it being where Elijah goes
home and like gets a confession. and then like
this gets broadcast out like a video or something
like that and this is what starts awakening people
like he's actually like recording them and like
broadcasting live and like people are just watching
the tvs and the screens and all the things that
have been propagandized by and then here he is
like they jump into the system and you know they
broadcast that people are like wait what is the
idea maybe that the alien originated as something
and now it's just distilled into something like
we need to dispose of the alien threat Right.
I don't know if there's an alien. I like the
idea that it's just humanity keeps doing this
to itself. And they've just checked out. Yeah.
Like, so it was it started as an alien threat.
And so that's kind of interesting because you
can reawaken. Oh, this is great. In my opinion,
maybe you can reawaken things, but there's going
to be a threat that they come back. Oh, so you
set up a sequel by like, how do we prepare? So
is the idea. So let me get this straight. Is
the idea that Daniel Day -Lewis? Somehow, we
saw the aliens were coming and was like, hey,
the only way to save humanity is to destroy humanity
by making people lose them. No, no, no. You're
right. You said it originally. He's just this
system. They crash. They find that there's no
longer a threat. And you're right. Now we're
just self -perpetuating the machine. Holy shit.
So I think there's a way to find out that the
alien, nobody's here anymore. This family's it,
right? We need to start figuring out how to fight
for our right to party. And it's an interesting
moral question. We can go on this way. We can
go on this way. But do we? You know what I mean?
And how far do we go? How do we introduce a little
whimsy? How do we allow people to be their best
or to feel depressed? or to feel sad or feel
grief because people are still dying, but they're
just coping with it fine. Yeah, everything's
fine. Everything's just there could be a question
like, well, when my grandma dies, how am I supposed
to feel? Mm hmm. I can see that. Well, start
by feeling or whatever. You're right. Director.
This is a. Feels like a very heady movie. Right
now that it's a bad thing. It just feels like
this is a thinking but there's story to it is
James Cameron good for this I Don't I won't say
no James Cameron is great. I just don't know
no he's or maybe I'm thinking of another alien
or Ridley Scott is actually I meant and I can
see Ridley Scott doing this because as a feels
like anchor I'd put John Carpenter in there if
we're gonna do like Paul Verhoeven. Oh, I would
I would put my hat on Paul Verhoeven. And I'm
just cheating because of the commercials. But
honestly, no. But let's be real, of all like
the directors, directors, that man, like he did
RoboCop, Starship Troopers, and love it or hate
it, he did Showgirls. And I don't care where
you stand on it. Name me another director that
could do those three movies right here right
now, because I couldn't name you another director
that could do sci -fi quite to that extent. Yeah.
Paul Verhoeven, if if you're listening, we can
get Elijah Wood on the line and we can make this
movie. I'm sure he'd produce it with us. OK,
so if we if we. Oh, that's I love that. That's
awesome. Yeah, I think Paul Verhoeven would really,
really get this. He would do the satire so good,
like all the other satires that people didn't
realize he satire like Duncan Jones. Right. It
don't get. Oh, yes. Yes. Just let him write it.
Uh huh. That's a direct. Why am I spacing on
his name? He's a spaceman. I was like David Bowie's
son, right? And I was like, why was I spacing
on it? Yeah. I can definitely see that. Duncan
Jones, just focus on writing it. Yeah. That's
it. And then Verhoeven. Is he our first non -writer
director that we've selected? No, I think we've
done it once before. Well, OK, one. It's harder
to do, I guess. But we should push ourselves.
We should push ourselves. But yes, Duncan Jones,
please write this movie. Tonally, I think it
works really well. He can do humor. Mute was
good. And yeah, but it's heavy. Like, yeah, we're
going to hit some real buttons. Moon is heavy.
If you really kind of look at it and it's sending
a clone to the moon. But there's some letting
him die and come to terms with his humanity through
a clone. Yeah, he could do this. Well, I'm very
excited. I'm excited. The overall arc of this.
Yeah, this has some fun. We have a lot of CG
in it. I think because you have to make a city
Yeah, there can be you know, I think the set
design is super fun How you play with you know,
what nature looks like yeah example So like making
this movie I'd pitch it like you can't have no
forests or whatever Like what does the world
look like, you know what my India look like?
I like the little bits of humor tagline, we've
talked around a bunch of potential taglines.
Yeah, you got any suggestions at the moment for
a tagline? Any of those that you remember? Because
I don't remember any of those taglines we potentially
could have. I wrote Good Men Do Something, initially,
because you said earlier, like... All it takes
for evil to thrive is for good men to do nothing.
Oh, yeah, that's why. So I just wrote down Good
Men Do Something, but that's kind of corny and
good men, I don't know. But edge case is the
dystopian movie. It's just what people like call
him because of his way of thinking that kind
of thing. I can see it being like humanity calling
being the tagline. This is humanity calling.
Yeah. Not even just this is just humanity calling.
Because I mean, it seems like the world we built
like humans exist, but they aren't human anymore.
Well, so the idea of the movie, though, is to
break free from your very content, happy, well,
maybe they don't want to be disrupted. Ooh, maybe
you just call it disruption line one, edge case,
disruption line one. Yeah. A little fight for
your right to disrupt, fight a little bit of
disruption goes a long way. I like disruption.
Good men do something is kind of nice because
it has that tie to what you're saying I do it
all right good men do something That's more of
a classical like literature. It feels very inspired
Is it good men and then comma do something or
is it break it up? Yeah good men do something
edge case starring Elijah would it doesn't even
it's not even a question It's more of like just
please do something. Yeah, anybody you know it's
like people are like But it's a thinker, if you're
a learned human being, you know, it's a nice
little tie to... It doesn't mean we're not gonna
have violence in it. Also, alright, I... Billy
Zane's gonna do horrid shit in this movie. Not
to say I don't like Jon Bernthal in it. I'm just
thinking about it right now. I know our love
for Jerry B. And his films. Yeah. I would like
to see who is the bad guy in game. Was it Michael
C. Hall? I would love to see him as John Bernthal's
character. I'm sorry, John Bernthal. I think
Michael C. Hall as the brother character, his
intensity. And he's definitely forgotten about.
But if you watch Dexter, you know him. And if
you've seen him in gamer, he's ripped. Yeah.
So let's get him back into that. Let's get into
that. Yeah. But like, I like the idea that he's
fanatical. Yep. And Like really die hard to the
cause opposite Elijah Wood. He's a die hard to
the cause. Yeah, I could see him playing. I could
see him killing that role. Not enough rules for
him. I don't know why. My son and wife started
watching Dexter and I've actually I started watching
it back in the day and I couldn't continue because
of one of the actors on it. I just stand there
acting. I only watched like three episodes. And
I never did. So I've been dipping back in and
I think he's he's fine. There's like the narration.
I'm not like super hot on it. I think he's better
and gamer. But I like him a lot. He's got a look.
He's got an edge to him. I wonder if it's the
character Dexter. And that's why you don't like
it as much, because as an actor, he's great.
And I just wonder if maybe Dexter as a character
is what's making you dislike. And we lived in
Miami. That's why I think maybe we're watching
it. But all I know is that. I didn't watch it
in order because like it wasn't like I didn't
wasn't planning on it. But I remember being in
college and like my suitemates were watching
it and like we were just hanging out. And then
all of a sudden, like we were on the John Lithgow
season and I ended up being stuck there for like
literally like it was just episode after episode
after episode. And it's like I couldn't leave
the room because it's like, what is happening
next? And like right to the end of the season.
He's like, what the hell? And he's like, I remember
my suitemates like, yeah, that was probably not
a good place for you to jump in because like
that's that's a season. Basil Paladuras is a
composer that I love. And I think he didn't forgive
me. He may have done RoboCop, but he did Conan
the Barbarian, the original. Could he score this?
Yes, he did on Fred October. Yeah, I can see
it. So he could do sci fi. He could do. But like
I as a composer, I think you can have a pretty
because like Conan, there's some big themes and
you can have a good theme. I'd like to be a theme.
I would like and he does epic. Yeah, I would
like there to be a theme like It almost feels
oppressive, but at the at some point in their
highlights, you know, when we get to the good
highs, like it's the same theme, but in different
like, you know, musical tones. So it actually
is like uplifting and happy and not as oppressive.
I could see that. That'd be really fun to do.
Should the theme be just a an orchestral variation
on the fight for your right to party? Yes. Yes.
We need a ominous singer. We need an ominous
like. You know, very vocally singer. And we can't
suggest Enya. We already used Enya. You know,
I was in a band that actually put that out on
a CD, like a thrash version of it. So we would
give it to this movie for free. OK. At least
that's my opinion. But it's kind of a funny song
to put in there. So if you listening are thinking
to what's the ultimate, we're just breaking everybody
free for their normalcy. And we have to figure
out how much to get crazy. What's the perfect
song? that underscores that. We have a song,
but I want to hear what your guys' song is suggesting.
Let free, but not too much. You know, how much
is too much, that kind of thing. Want to Break
Free by Queen? Think about the end of this movie,
and there's got to be a good last line by...
Master of Puppets by Metallica. That'd be a good
one to end it on. That is a good one. That's
ironical. It was so ironic, like people finally
are no longer puppets. And then we played math.
But puppets of their own choosing, doing their
own strings, the whole thing. Got some strings
on. We should actually have it be I got no strings
on me. Oh, that's a great. Yes. Disney, would
you please let us use those rights? There you
go. To edge case to edge case. Probably rated
R. Definitely rated R. There's not going to be
much violence, but I can see bits of violence.
Or implied. Definitely adult themes. Definitely
some swears. Well, we've done it with almost
just under two minutes. Do we have anything left
on our list? I looked at character, director,
plot, to conclusion tagline. We didn't avalanche
it. Yeah. It took us a while to get going. Edge
case, that was quite a title. edge case. I almost
forgot we needed a director. Yeah. And I was
like, Oh, we were going, we were going pretty
hard on like trying to figure this story out.
And that's a tough story. Maybe we're being too
hard on ourselves, but I like the idea that humanity
is essentially like self -censoring itself and
got in steering itself down this path to like
lose its humanity. And then the aliens are like,
just let it slowly go. Keep going. The aliens
didn't want us to progress. That's what it was.
That's what the story is. The story is the aliens
are like, we really don't want them to get off
the plane. Like, are they checking? What if they
check back in? The very last scene of the whole
wink at the camera right at the last bit before
the final credit rolls is like the alien saucer
flying back into orbit of Earth and just like,
oh, shit. Fuck, we messed it up. What are they
going to do? They're not going to get rid of
the whole thing, are they? They're not going
to scrap the whole planet, are they? The predator
button, the dan dan dan. No, they're going to
do the, they're going to do the, uh, uh, why
am I spacing out? Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy,
you know, where the planet's been, uh, scheduled
to be destroyed. Just a small pop and then nothing.
Don't worry about it. Logan, thank you for being
on this particular. It was a riot. This is a
dystopian I'm terrified of because it sounds
like we might go there someday. Those are the
words we're on track. But listen, Hollywood or
anybody, I think you should get on this one.
Reach out, email us. We would love to check us
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