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Nick and Sue. This edition has brought you an

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association with Distill Union for men's gifts,

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presents and problem -solving men's accessories.

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More from them in a bit. Welcome back to the

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Chatterbox Redux podcast with Sue and Nick and

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today our special guest is John R. Coburn. This

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is Nick and Sue with Chatterbox giving you all

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you need to know about musical entertainment.

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Oh, yeah! Chatterbox! And now on Chatterbox,

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we're just lucky enough to welcome John R. Coburn.

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John, welcome to Chatterbox. How are you, sir?

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Hello, John. Very good. Thank you. Great to meet

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you. I'm glad to be here. I'm really glad to

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be with you guys. It's been a long time coming.

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Well, we've only technically known each other

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a few weeks, isn't it? A few months. We thank

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Chris Spearer introducing us. But yeah, some

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songs maybe more. two to three months ago sent

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some songs uh sent a song broken i thought oh

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i like the guitar and this guy's pretty good

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so and i didn't know what you looked like didn't

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know who you were i saw some pretty sexy solo

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guitar some of the best i've heard that yeah

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and that that's how you started getting played

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so thank you so much i appreciate that immensely

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like uh yeah look i uh I'm a musician, so I don't

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classify myself as a guitarist per se. I mean,

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I play guitar for sure. I play a lot of instruments,

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but I just use the instruments to get to the

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end game, which is my main passion is writing

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music. It's writing songs. and the other components

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to producing music are there as tools for me.

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That doesn't mean that I don't enjoy playing

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guitar, I certainly do, and I've been doing it

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for a while. It's all part of being a musician

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though, isn't it? It certainly is. It's just

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another musical instrument really. Absolutely.

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You play it like it is your instrument, to be

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honest with you, you play it that good. I appreciate

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that. Thank you so much. When I first started

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in this business, or playing professionally,

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I would say, making money at it, if you will,

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I started out as a young boy. I played drums

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for a number of years until I think I was about

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17 years old. In those days, I... I played with

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one of my teachers, actually, one of the guys

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that taught me to play. He was an all -around

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kind of guy, a musician. What was his wife's

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name? His name was Peter Aiken, but I'm trying

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to think. We went with his wife's maiden name.

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It's not coming to me right now. Anyway, she

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had a quartet and I was playing jazz music. that

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young age at 14 years old 13 14 years old. I

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was playing in clubs, you know, like RSL's I

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don't know if you know what an RSL is return

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services league So I was playing these kind of

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clubs at that age a young age. So I guess it

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was a bit of a You know a strange thing for a

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13 or 14 year old boy to be doing but I Just

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enjoyed it so much. I love I love jazz to this

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day. I love it So yeah, that's that's where I

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started and then I guess as I got older and I

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actually started singing behind the drum kit

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but in those days In those days it was like I

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think the Dave Clark five and I think and who

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else I mean, there's no Eagles in those days

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So because I'm an old cat not many not many Mickey

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de Lentz and the Monkeys being another. Oh yeah

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yeah Mickey de Lentz. He did most of the lead

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vocals. Oh I've got one for you. Oh what's her

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name? Oh from the Honeycombs, the girl from the

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Honeycombs, female drummer. Only female drummers

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still in the UK to have had a number one. she

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passed away a couple years ago but yes the honeycombs

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because she did a lot of vocals for the honeycombs

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have I the right and stuff like that yes he did

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stuff on the beat sides and that not many not

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many at all yeah and then we probably found it

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found nearly all of them already just there yeah

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yeah so here I was you know young kids playing

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drums and singing and then I got to the point

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I thought, this is no good being behind the kit

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here. I'm not getting any action back here. I

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got to get up front, right? So that's when I

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took the guitar. I guess around about 15, I guess.

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One of the guys in the band that I played with

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at the time had a band in the early stages. It

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was called The Beginning. Yeah, it was a great

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name. So yeah, in that band, the guitarist's

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name was Kevin, Kev Hines. And I said, hey Kev,

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you know that guitar, he had a spare guitar.

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He said, do you think I could borrow that? He

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says, yeah John, you can take that and play around

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with it. I think it was an old, like, it was

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an acoustic, it had like nylon strings on it,

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right? So I'd come to practice and I'd say, hey

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Kev. F, show me a chord. He said, this one's

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G, this one's C. And he'd show me a chord every

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time. So I'd practice away in the bedroom on

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these chords, right? And then I got to the point

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where I was getting not too bad at it. And I

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thought, I'm going to get myself an electric

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guitar. So this is what happened. So at the tender

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age of 17, right? So remember, I'm playing drums

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now, and I'm doing OK at it too. I made a decision

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that I'm going to now become a guitar player.

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So the drum kit that I had was a really good

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one. It was a really good kit and was my dad

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that actually put up the funds for it. So at

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that time, I remember saying to my dad, hey dad,

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I'm going to pick the guitar up and play the

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guitar. He looked at me and he said, what's wrong

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with the drums? They're perfectly good and you

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can play them. Like, you know, I said, no, no,

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I want to play the guitar. So he just threw his

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hands up and said, okay, whatever. I hope you

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gave him one of the Back to the Future moments.

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Did you do that? You understand what I mean?

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Did you do that for him? I think I should have.

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No, it didn't work out that way. At that time,

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I think, first off, I went to the music store

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and I picked up a, it was an SG copy. I think

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in those days it was made in Japan. I think it

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was a made in Japan guitar, a Meyer or something

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like that. I can't remember the name of the thing,

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but it was an SG copy. I gave that out for a

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long time. Then it came to the point, probably

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about maybe just before 18 years old, I sold

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the drum kit. That was it. I said, that's it.

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I'm not playing drums anymore. No more drums.

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Sold the kit and I got myself a Gibson, right?

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So I started playing as Jesus with what I was

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playing in those days And then I guess back in

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I'll sort of move forward now right so back in

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1974 My family were Trent my dad was transferred

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from Sydney, Australia to Vancouver, Canada So

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I came to Vancouver in 74 and basically, you

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know, I was like, didn't know anyone, but I could

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play music. And so I met a bunch of guys in the

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town I was living. I was living in a place called

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Porcoquitlam, which is just a little bit south

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of Vancouver, in a Vancouver area, in the region.

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So I met these guys and I put together a band.

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And the first gig we did, was at a high school,

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a local high school, Port Coquitlam High School.

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We called it Poco. So Poco High. And I said to

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these guys, I said, I'm going to call up an agency

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and have them come out and see us. And they said,

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oh, we can't call the agents up. You know, those

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guys, they're looking for big time acts and this

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kind of stuff. I said, look, we'll rehearse and

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we'll get our stuff tight. And we'll get the

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agent out. So sure enough, I got to go with my

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note here because I've got to remember what all

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transpired. So there's a guy called Barry Samuel.

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He's an English guy, actually. He's an Englishman

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out of London. And he was living in Vancouver

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at the time. And there was two like, we'll call

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them big agencies. So there's Bruce Allen. Bruce

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Allen had guys like Brian Adams. Michael Buble

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today has Jan Arden and Murray Loverboy prison

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whole bunch of big acts, right? Barry on the

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other hand had have you heard of Sweeney Todd

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before? Yes. Yeah. Okay, Nick Gilder. He's an

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Englishman also, right? So they had Nick Gilder

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Sweeney Todd And then they had heart you've heard

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of heart before right? Yeah, and Nancy Wilson

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and the toys and there's a whole bunch of bands

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in him my band and my band was called Rory Mack.

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So that was the name of the man. But we got in

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as soon as he came and seen us. And in those

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days, we were doing the glam rock thing. So I've

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come a long way since then. But we were doing

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glam rock. We had a good show, and we put it

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on for Barry Samuels, and he basically picked

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us up and hired us. And I went on the road for

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roughly three years, solid. So we had all the

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gear, equipment. We were totally funded. And

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we just traveled all over, up and down the West

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Coast, all the way through Canada. And it was

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a great experience. Really cut my teeth there.

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And it was fun. We had a big, we had a big pantech,

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like a big truck, like a big bread van, and all

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the gear was in the back there. We had big, you

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know, speaker cabins, and those days were huge,

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big speaker cabins, mattresses on top of those.

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We'd keep out there and we'd all take turns driving

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to the next gig. And it was just a matter of

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we'd call up the agent, say, hey, Barry, where

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are we? Oh, you're in... Prince George and then

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you were in Puskope and then you're wherever

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it would just tell us where we went for you know

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a week or two or whatever so we just were a traveling

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band and we did this for like i say three years

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i was on the road so it was full time it was

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full time full time full time yeah and and you

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know i mean we've come we come back into town

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we come back into Vancouver but we've been for

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like two or three days at a time i used to you

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know go into the music shop buy my strings and

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bulk and I have spare tubes of valves, as you

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say in England, all this kind of stuff. We have

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all kinds of gear with us because we had to.

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We'd be in the middle of nowhere, you know what

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I mean? Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. It is, yeah.

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We had some fun times, let me tell you. But yeah,

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so I did that for a number of years. And then

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I got... I got sick. I got really, really sick.

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I had a really bad strep throat and started getting

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nodes on the back of my throat. Right? So the

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doctor said, well, you know, you keep it up,

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you're going to lose your voice completely. And

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I'm like, oh, no, I can't do that. So I just

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basically. backed off. It would have gone one

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of two ways, wouldn't it? You would either have

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lost your voice or you would have ended up sounding

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like Rod Stewart. That too. One way or the other.

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No, it's between him and Bonnie Tyler. I'm big

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serious as well. Or Bonnie Tyler. Yeah. Absolutely.

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That is actually why she's got that voice. See?

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Looking at me, it's true. He could have gone

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the other way, yeah. No, no. And that's what

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they told me, said you should have seen him.

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I suggest you don't do it anymore. So I just

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thought, yeah, better that. So I came off the

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road. And during that time, I've been doing some

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recording and stuff like we're doing our own

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demos, of course, at that time. But I would do

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some recording mushroom records in Vancouver

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and Hart were there. And I would have a couple

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of times where I go in there and do some session

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work. So I was getting to do some sessions, getting

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to feel it out. meet other people in the industry,

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and so on and so forth. But that, again, wasn't

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enough. It really wasn't enough to sustain me.

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You know what I mean? I wasn't making that much

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money. Maybe it wasn't a hell of a lot of money

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in those days. So I just basically thought, oh,

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I better do something. I better get some kind

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of income coming in, right? So what I did is

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I took up graphic arts. I became sort of a graphic

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artist and got into the print end of it and then

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into the tech end of it. And I've spent, I worked

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for a publisher, like I've worked both sides

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of this pond from here to Australia. So I spent

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how many years here? About 20, 21 years in Canada,

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working in with publishing, like I'm talking

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about, not music publishing. I'm talking print

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publishing, magazines, that kind of thing. And

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then I work for, you know them as Russ Craft.

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Have you heard of Russ Craft before? Or Carlton

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Carts? The greeting card company? Oh, the card

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thing's about, actually. Yeah, yeah, the greeting

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card company, right? So I worked there for a

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long time. And we went through some changes back

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in those days. we were going from analog to digital.

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So I was on that whole wave of the digital stuff

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and all that kind of stuff. So I worked there

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with Carlton Cards for a number of years, made

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my way up the ladder, so to speak. And then I

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used to do a lot of tours into the States. We

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had a lot of different plants there. So I would

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go to different plants in the Southern States,

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places like that. So I got a... to get a really

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good look at what was going on down there. And

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I took up a really interest in the blues, first

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off. So I'm a huge fan of the blues. I love blues

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guitar. And I know more about blues than I know

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about country music. Wow. Yeah, that's a fact.

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So anyway, during the time I was working for

00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:54.700
Carlton, cards here in Canada. I also had a band

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called COD, the Children of Divorce. So this

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is during the New Wave time, punk rock and all

00:17:04.200 --> 00:17:08.559
that kind of stuff. So this is good. My manager

00:17:08.559 --> 00:17:15.440
is still around today, Jerry Young, his name,

00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:18.700
Barry Wazil. Jerry was my new manager. So we

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had a We had a band here and we were doing all

00:17:20.880 --> 00:17:23.480
the circuit here in Toronto. So we didn't go.

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We'd go outside a little a little bit outside

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of Toronto, but not too far. So we're doing all

00:17:29.140 --> 00:17:34.039
the main clubs like the Bamboo, El Macombo, The

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Edge, Horseshoe, Larry's Hideaway. These were

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all like popular clubs in and around Toronto,

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right? So we were doing the circuit and we're

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getting pretty well known. We got a pretty good

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following. So we got to open up for get this

00:17:50.700 --> 00:17:52.640
the police I got to open up for the police at

00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:56.279
the edge Wow, yeah, it was on their first tour

00:17:56.279 --> 00:17:59.700
of North America and it was at Edgerton's the

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edge we call it and the other thing that was

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Notable, I guess you've heard of the sex pistols,

00:18:05.799 --> 00:18:09.440
of course. I love the sex pistols. I love say

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well, I had an opportunity to open up, not for

00:18:13.210 --> 00:18:15.950
the Sex Pistols, but public image. Yeah, yeah,

00:18:16.170 --> 00:18:20.450
yeah. Two guys that left. John Light and Big

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Time. And my mother, who was so prim and proper,

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not with us anymore, she was so prim and proper.

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She adored him. She adored him and she's so prim

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and proper, even in the Sex Pistols days. He

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is a very intelligent man, really clueless. Yeah,

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yeah, for sure. No doubt about it. I would love

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to interview him, and I'll tell you what, if

00:18:39.339 --> 00:18:41.539
he insulted me on air, that's great radio, leave

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it in. Carry on, John. What a great guy. No,

00:18:45.839 --> 00:18:49.640
no, for sure. Those guys were fun to play with.

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We played at, I think the bar was called the

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Three Bears, and it was a university gig. There's

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a lot of university kids coming to this place,

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and it happened to be a Halloween gig, as I recall.

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And of course, everybody's dressed in a Halloween

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garb and stuff like this. And I stood in this

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picture in my head. I just remember we had the

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crowd roaring. They were like, going crazy. Such

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energy, though. Such energy. Oh, so much energy.

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And in those days, we played that kind of music.

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I shall send you some of the stuff so you can

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hear it. Yeah. And it was incredible. I think

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we tore the place apart. Not us personally, but

00:19:32.470 --> 00:19:35.779
the punters in the bar. you know there was some

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dressed up they're like cavemen they had big

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clubs and they were beating the hell tables and

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all kinds of stuff but they wouldn't like me

00:19:43.440 --> 00:19:46.019
saying this and they were quite polished they

00:19:46.019 --> 00:19:48.440
could play guitar they were actually quite talented

00:19:48.440 --> 00:19:51.940
yeah no no you know they were good no they were

00:19:51.940 --> 00:19:54.180
they were terrific we got on really well with

00:19:54.180 --> 00:19:56.839
these guys they were good excellent but um yeah

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so that was kind of like I like right for us

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um COD We did a couple of demos for Warner Brothers

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Records. We had one that was a real hit called

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Talkin' Freedom. But unfortunately, my bass player

00:20:13.450 --> 00:20:17.309
at the time, David, he got into a car accident

00:20:17.309 --> 00:20:23.109
and he passed. So once that happened, gutted

00:20:23.109 --> 00:20:27.450
everyone. So we were just like... That was the

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end of that trip. We had songs like... doggy

00:20:31.349 --> 00:20:37.829
style, stuff like that. She was laughing, but

00:20:37.829 --> 00:20:40.410
you know, dog, dog, doggy style, you better crack

00:20:40.410 --> 00:20:43.230
a smile, dog. That kind of thing, you know what

00:20:43.230 --> 00:20:47.210
I mean? So like, you'll love it, yeah. So I'll

00:20:47.210 --> 00:20:50.589
have to dig that stuff up. It'll be somewhere,

00:20:51.069 --> 00:20:52.829
because it's probably on a cassette or something.

00:20:53.089 --> 00:20:55.410
And then I did a stimp. by myself where I was

00:20:55.410 --> 00:20:58.829
doing some writing on my own with another band

00:20:58.829 --> 00:21:00.930
called Suits and Handshakes. So I had another...

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Sorry, what was that name? Suits and Handshakes.

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Suits and Handshakes. Suits and Handshakes, yeah.

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So I have a partner, another guy, he was actually

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an Irish guy and he lives in Toronto and him

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and I were like writing stuff, a lot of stuff,

00:21:18.250 --> 00:21:21.470
but not just for us, for other artists. So that's

00:21:21.470 --> 00:21:24.849
what we were doing at that time. And I do that,

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I still do that. I'll write anything for anyone.

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Tell me what you want and I'll put it together

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for you. Just a minute John, thank you so much

00:21:34.730 --> 00:21:37.950
for those, it is John that sent us those, that

00:21:37.950 --> 00:21:41.769
singing on the jingle. Oh yeah. Yeah, that is

00:21:41.769 --> 00:21:45.890
amazing, thank you so much, yes. No you're welcome.

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Nick starts yapping, Sue joins in. Nobody knows

00:22:04.180 --> 00:22:07.500
where they'll begin. Tall tales, belly laughs,

00:22:07.680 --> 00:22:10.880
and country style. They'll have you grinning

00:22:10.880 --> 00:22:16.200
mile after mile. His chatterbox on your radio,

00:22:16.519 --> 00:22:19.579
where the indie music's always stealing the show.

00:22:20.119 --> 00:22:24.079
Nick and Sue are the chattering pair. Fun and

00:22:24.079 --> 00:22:28.900
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00:25:14.059 --> 00:25:16.500
us jingles and his name's John you see it's just

00:25:16.500 --> 00:25:18.799
yeah so thank you for that young one doesn't

00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:20.839
sing in country style no but that's a brilliant

00:25:20.839 --> 00:25:24.319
we're going to be using them yeah yeah yeah absolutely

00:25:24.319 --> 00:25:26.420
and we're going to turn one that we think we

00:25:26.420 --> 00:25:28.259
can use on the sunday is it just just the first

00:25:28.259 --> 00:25:31.259
one we can edit yeah yeah yeah so there we go

00:25:31.259 --> 00:25:34.119
yeah it will be getting used yes that's good

00:25:34.119 --> 00:25:39.220
to hear yeah yeah John the jingler We've got

00:25:39.220 --> 00:25:44.839
the stuff you're bringing out now. What was the

00:25:44.839 --> 00:25:47.480
big step from what we're talking about to jumping

00:25:47.480 --> 00:25:49.559
up to what you're doing now to this recent stuff?

00:25:53.640 --> 00:25:58.160
We'll get into that. There's more to it. I went

00:25:58.160 --> 00:26:02.660
to work in Australia. I work in Australia primarily

00:26:02.660 --> 00:26:06.420
in publishing. I was with a publishing firm,

00:26:06.519 --> 00:26:08.599
one of the larger ones in Sydney, Australia.

00:26:09.380 --> 00:26:11.539
But I spent a lot of time there. But whilst I

00:26:11.539 --> 00:26:14.640
was doing that, I was playing in a blues band.

00:26:16.079 --> 00:26:20.539
And my daughter and I, her name's Lindsay, she's

00:26:20.539 --> 00:26:22.900
still in Australia, she's in Sydney. But her

00:26:22.900 --> 00:26:25.500
and I started a band together and she's got a

00:26:25.500 --> 00:26:28.660
great voice. This kid can sing. So I have her

00:26:28.660 --> 00:26:31.380
up front. Dad takes the backseat, I just play

00:26:31.380 --> 00:26:34.779
the guitar. And she did the... the front part,

00:26:35.059 --> 00:26:37.279
but that was that was a lot of fun. I really

00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:43.880
enjoyed that. Anyhow, moving on. So a few eight,

00:26:43.880 --> 00:26:46.700
nine, ten years ago, nine years ago, I beg your

00:26:46.700 --> 00:26:51.900
pardon, nine years ago, my wife's father took

00:26:51.900 --> 00:26:55.640
sick, lost sight in one of his eyes, and then

00:26:55.640 --> 00:27:01.619
he was diagnosed with dementia. And it was pretty

00:27:01.619 --> 00:27:05.109
tough. So we decided we're going to come back

00:27:05.109 --> 00:27:09.509
and, you know, be here for her mom and support

00:27:09.509 --> 00:27:12.750
for her dad as well. Anyway, he's since passed,

00:27:12.869 --> 00:27:16.329
he's since passed Barry. Again, here you go,

00:27:16.369 --> 00:27:19.769
the connection. My wife was born in England,

00:27:20.769 --> 00:27:25.789
Derbyshire. OK? Well done, you say it spot on.

00:27:26.170 --> 00:27:29.109
Yeah, and I was, guess what? The Americans can't

00:27:29.109 --> 00:27:31.349
say it, you can. But you know where I was born?

00:27:32.230 --> 00:27:35.349
I was born in Scotland. I was born in Edinburgh.

00:27:35.750 --> 00:27:39.289
Edinburgh, wow. Yeah, and my folks moved from

00:27:39.289 --> 00:27:43.190
Edinburgh, oh gosh, I would have been 10 years

00:27:43.190 --> 00:27:45.549
old, I guess, something like that, and they moved

00:27:45.549 --> 00:27:50.890
to Australia. I guess for a better life, my dad

00:27:50.890 --> 00:27:56.089
was in the RAF, Royal Air Force, and during those...

00:27:56.089 --> 00:27:59.150
times they were looking for guys to go out to

00:27:59.150 --> 00:28:00.970
Australia. I don't know if you know this, but

00:28:00.970 --> 00:28:03.210
the strains were in Vietnam with the Americans.

00:28:03.890 --> 00:28:07.589
So looking for guys to train these guys. So my

00:28:07.589 --> 00:28:10.529
dad was that's what he was planning on doing

00:28:10.529 --> 00:28:15.109
there. But as it turns out, good thing he my

00:28:15.109 --> 00:28:17.849
mom put her foot down and said, no, if we're

00:28:17.849 --> 00:28:20.670
going there with the kids, I don't need you get

00:28:20.670 --> 00:28:24.769
slaughtered. And then I knew by myself with kids

00:28:24.769 --> 00:28:27.650
like It's not a good look. Anyway, so that never

00:28:27.650 --> 00:28:31.809
happened. That's the story there of Australia.

00:28:32.289 --> 00:28:35.470
I spent most of my childhood growing up there

00:28:35.470 --> 00:28:40.869
until we came to Canada. Now, moving on from

00:28:40.869 --> 00:28:43.690
Australia back to Canada again. So since I've

00:28:43.690 --> 00:28:48.289
been back in Canada, when I came back, my daughter

00:28:48.289 --> 00:28:51.529
came with me initially, and my son's here. Lachlan

00:28:51.529 --> 00:28:55.890
is his name. He's with us. My daughter since

00:28:55.890 --> 00:28:59.289
She was in a relationship with a guy here and

00:28:59.289 --> 00:29:02.609
they bought a house For about seven years and

00:29:02.609 --> 00:29:05.970
then she found out that he was cheating on her

00:29:05.970 --> 00:29:10.009
So yeah, so that was a real upset. So she was

00:29:10.009 --> 00:29:13.809
home here for a while and I gotta be honest with

00:29:13.809 --> 00:29:17.930
you. That was a catalyst for me writing again

00:29:17.930 --> 00:29:24.940
It was crazy Myself, I've got to tell you that

00:29:24.940 --> 00:29:28.960
I'm on my second marriage this time. I was married

00:29:28.960 --> 00:29:33.160
once before for about nine years, and that broke

00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:36.579
up. There was children in that relationship as

00:29:36.579 --> 00:29:41.640
well, and it was very difficult. I have a lot

00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:45.660
of baggage, if you want to call it that. But

00:29:45.660 --> 00:29:47.559
there's a lot of stuff there that I had to work

00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:51.200
through. Once my daughter Lindsey went through

00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:54.039
this thing. It just dredged a lot of stuff up

00:29:54.039 --> 00:29:57.740
for me and I just brought it all back and then

00:29:57.740 --> 00:30:01.339
the creative I'm actually retired now what I

00:30:01.339 --> 00:30:04.960
call retired like from a day job if you will

00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:11.160
so I am once that happened the creative juices

00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:17.200
flowed like never before and I I Just write it's

00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:19.140
just like it's coming in I don't know where it

00:30:19.140 --> 00:30:21.680
comes from. I've got a chair back here. I sit

00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:24.160
in that chair. I'll get up really early in the

00:30:24.160 --> 00:30:27.480
morning, and stuff starts flowing, and I'll write.

00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:34.680
And just on that point, last night, about 4 .30

00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:37.460
in the morning, I got this line in my head, right?

00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:41.700
And I got out of bed. My wife's name's Sue as

00:30:41.700 --> 00:30:45.279
well, Sue. So my wife says, where are you going?

00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:48.819
I said, I've got this. a couple of lines in my

00:30:48.819 --> 00:30:50.779
head. I've got to get up and write them down.

00:30:51.460 --> 00:30:53.559
Because if I don't, I'll forget them, right?

00:30:53.700 --> 00:30:56.380
This is how it goes. So I got up this morning.

00:30:56.539 --> 00:31:00.220
I sat down here. And by the time she got out

00:31:00.220 --> 00:31:02.700
of bed, she slept in. By the time she got out

00:31:02.700 --> 00:31:06.660
of bed, I had the whole thing. So this is what

00:31:06.660 --> 00:31:10.299
happens. Same with high horse. High horse, I

00:31:10.299 --> 00:31:12.619
wrote that in about an hour and a half. John,

00:31:12.980 --> 00:31:15.200
does that come? There's a phrase going around,

00:31:15.619 --> 00:31:19.109
get off your high horse. Is there any? It was

00:31:19.109 --> 00:31:21.150
brilliant. It was exactly what I thought it was.

00:31:21.589 --> 00:31:25.329
It is. And how that happened, Sue, how that happened

00:31:25.329 --> 00:31:30.210
was I was I was talking to my I was talking to

00:31:30.210 --> 00:31:34.569
my daughter. And, you know, she's a bit obstructive

00:31:34.569 --> 00:31:37.569
sometimes. And she said she was getting on her

00:31:37.569 --> 00:31:40.339
high horse. And I said. For Pete's sake, get

00:31:40.339 --> 00:31:43.279
off your high horse, right? You said that to

00:31:43.279 --> 00:31:45.660
her just like that, you know. Oh, dad, you know,

00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:51.059
get off your high horse. So there you go, 1 .30

00:31:51.059 --> 00:31:54.720
in the morning, John boy is out of bed and he's

00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:56.819
up here and sitting in the chair and he's writing

00:31:56.819 --> 00:32:00.140
the song. That song reminds me so much of my

00:32:00.140 --> 00:32:05.299
childhood. Yes, it came out, you know. Car goes

00:32:05.299 --> 00:32:08.329
on a high horse, you know, far too long. It's

00:32:08.329 --> 00:32:11.269
time to put your boots on the ground. Yeah, that's

00:32:11.269 --> 00:32:13.529
exactly where it comes from. And that's a saying,

00:32:13.690 --> 00:32:16.930
right? Get off your high horse, right? And we've

00:32:16.930 --> 00:32:19.009
also recently, this is one we got to know you

00:32:19.009 --> 00:32:22.289
almost broken. Oh, broken, broken. Oh, look,

00:32:22.490 --> 00:32:28.930
that song, that song comes from your man. Yeah,

00:32:28.930 --> 00:32:32.809
that was a tough one. I have others too that

00:32:32.809 --> 00:32:36.930
I've written that are near and dear, let's say.

00:32:37.210 --> 00:32:42.690
And that one, yeah, that one, that one is, it

00:32:42.690 --> 00:32:48.589
comes from deep, deep inside that one. Yeah,

00:32:50.490 --> 00:32:53.769
it comes from, you know, the soul, that one.

00:32:55.750 --> 00:32:58.470
There's lots, I write, that's the kind of stuff

00:32:58.470 --> 00:33:01.670
that I've been writing of late. I don't think

00:33:01.670 --> 00:33:04.009
that I could have written this stuff when I was

00:33:04.009 --> 00:33:08.660
a younger man. It's not that I didn't have the

00:33:08.660 --> 00:33:12.960
vocabulary for the job. Is it down -to -life

00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:16.140
experiences, you think? It's experience, absolutely.

00:33:16.859 --> 00:33:19.640
Because it's OK to put a bunch of words together

00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:23.759
on a page, but you've got to convey that. You're

00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:26.079
telling a story, and if you're telling it truthfully,

00:33:26.299 --> 00:33:30.519
it comes across that way. And I think all good

00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:33.019
songs, or any good song that's been written,

00:33:33.200 --> 00:33:36.019
it doesn't matter what the genre is. If it's

00:33:36.019 --> 00:33:39.019
coming from the heart and you can touch somebody

00:33:39.019 --> 00:33:42.819
else with that, you've done your job. That's

00:33:42.819 --> 00:33:46.700
what it's about. And for me, that's what songwriting

00:33:46.700 --> 00:33:49.779
is about. You hear that in Broken and High Horse.

00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:52.440
Thank you. I appreciate that, because that means

00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:55.519
a heck of a lot to me. Because, you know, I don't

00:33:55.519 --> 00:33:58.700
know, when you write a song, sometimes you struggle

00:33:58.700 --> 00:34:02.599
and you think, oh, I can't tell people, you know.

00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:06.380
my past or let them have a preview into my life

00:34:06.380 --> 00:34:09.579
or whatever. Initially, that was the way that

00:34:09.579 --> 00:34:11.460
I thought about it. But then I realized that,

00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:15.659
you know what? I'm not Robinson Crusoe. There's

00:34:15.659 --> 00:34:17.519
other people who've had the same experiences

00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:21.340
as me. Maybe slightly different. They'd be thinking

00:34:21.340 --> 00:34:25.699
of themselves. Yeah. And I say this so many times

00:34:25.699 --> 00:34:29.599
that a song, when somebody writes a song, it's

00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:31.719
the art gallery moment, you're in that art gallery,

00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:33.099
you're looking at that painting, a hundred people

00:34:33.099 --> 00:34:34.880
look at a painting, they'll have a hundred different

00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:36.880
depictions of that painting. Listening to your

00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:39.119
song, you know what the song means to you, but

00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:40.639
a hundred people listening to it will depict

00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:42.159
it in a hundred different ways. It's how they

00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:44.880
feel, what they've been through. Yes. Simple

00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:47.500
as that. Spot on. And technically you're watching

00:34:47.500 --> 00:34:49.800
it for them as well, but it's how they interpret

00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:52.199
it, of course. That's right. Absolutely. You're

00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:55.420
spot on, Nick, exactly how it goes. So, you know,

00:34:55.420 --> 00:35:00.079
and I've been writing a lot of different things,

00:35:00.179 --> 00:35:03.699
a lot of subjects, but I write a lot about, you

00:35:03.699 --> 00:35:06.260
know, I guess for me it's a cleansing of the

00:35:06.260 --> 00:35:10.099
soul. I get it out and then that's my way of

00:35:10.099 --> 00:35:12.719
dealing with it, right? Whatever the subject

00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:16.699
matter is, I need to look at it and get inside

00:35:16.699 --> 00:35:19.760
it. Yes, the lovely picture of your hand gesture

00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:22.900
as a young lady on the horse. Helping her off,

00:35:22.940 --> 00:35:24.940
helping her up, I don't know. Helping her off,

00:35:25.019 --> 00:35:27.800
yeah. Yeah, yeah, bring her down off the horse

00:35:27.800 --> 00:35:35.059
to put her boots on solid ground. Yep. No, that

00:35:35.059 --> 00:35:41.639
young lady probably exists somewhere. Yeah. She

00:35:41.639 --> 00:35:48.539
does now. She does. She does exist. This is the

00:35:48.539 --> 00:35:52.679
thing with being from the background that I'm

00:35:52.679 --> 00:36:01.960
from. magazines I have done I have done I had

00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:05.059
32 titles underneath under me I should do covers

00:36:05.059 --> 00:36:08.199
for 32 different titles all different kinds sporting

00:36:08.199 --> 00:36:12.400
magazines you name it Sports Illustrator top

00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:15.860
that kind of thing he was talking about your

00:36:15.860 --> 00:36:17.940
daughter just now and I actually thought oh that's

00:36:17.940 --> 00:36:21.820
his daughter so you can imagine why I Yeah, yeah,

00:36:21.820 --> 00:36:25.199
yeah, yeah, that's fine. That's fine. No, my

00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:30.619
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show notes and just add cbukrdux. So we got those

00:38:55.219 --> 00:38:57.900
two songs. What other songs do we have in this

00:38:57.900 --> 00:39:01.420
period of your life that you've actually brought

00:39:01.420 --> 00:39:10.480
out? Look, I've written a number of songs for

00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:15.159
other artists, for other people. So I'm currently,

00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:20.469
this, what you're seeing of me now, is me coming

00:39:20.469 --> 00:39:24.969
out of the shadows, basically. Because I've worked

00:39:24.969 --> 00:39:28.269
in the background for many years, working for

00:39:28.269 --> 00:39:31.750
other people. And now it's kind of like, oh,

00:39:31.809 --> 00:39:33.530
geez, John, you're getting to that point now.

00:39:33.670 --> 00:39:36.369
I just felt that, you know what? I've always

00:39:36.369 --> 00:39:40.610
been the bridesmaid, never the bride. Oh, I love

00:39:40.610 --> 00:39:44.050
that phrase. You know what I mean? So I thought,

00:39:44.289 --> 00:39:49.329
what the heck? pointing into the stick at your

00:39:49.329 --> 00:39:52.369
age, it's time for you to get out there and put

00:39:52.369 --> 00:39:55.929
your stuff out and let people hear it. And that's

00:39:55.929 --> 00:39:57.690
what I've been doing. And my wife has played

00:39:57.690 --> 00:40:00.670
a huge part in that because she's said, look,

00:40:01.070 --> 00:40:04.170
what are you doing? You've got the talent, just

00:40:04.170 --> 00:40:09.789
do it. Just get it done. So I just, why not?

00:40:10.010 --> 00:40:14.210
Right? So here it is. But the songs that I've

00:40:14.210 --> 00:40:17.349
got now, I've got Well, you've heard them, you've

00:40:17.349 --> 00:40:20.469
probably heard them all. The Reckoning, Broken,

00:40:21.670 --> 00:40:27.170
and now High Horse. I had one before that, which

00:40:27.170 --> 00:40:30.349
is called The Righteous Cowboy. I don't know

00:40:30.349 --> 00:40:38.510
if you've heard that one. It's a Americana, and

00:40:38.510 --> 00:40:43.530
it's basically a ballad guitar. There's nothing

00:40:43.530 --> 00:40:47.079
fancy about it. You'll find it, it's up there.

00:40:47.980 --> 00:40:50.900
But I'm, you know, I'm not real proud of that

00:40:50.900 --> 00:40:56.179
one. I mean, I like, when I wrote the song, it's

00:40:56.179 --> 00:40:58.239
about a righteous cowboy, right? It's about doing

00:40:58.239 --> 00:41:02.300
the right thing. It's about, you know, taking

00:41:02.300 --> 00:41:05.489
care of something. Yeah, you should be proud

00:41:05.489 --> 00:41:07.829
of it. If it's the step to where you are doing

00:41:07.829 --> 00:41:09.889
these songs now that we're listening to now,

00:41:09.909 --> 00:41:12.389
you should be proud of that. It might not be

00:41:12.389 --> 00:41:14.349
the step. I'm not going to say it because I haven't

00:41:14.349 --> 00:41:15.630
heard it yet. I can't say it's not the standard

00:41:15.630 --> 00:41:17.730
that you're used to. It's not the standard that

00:41:17.730 --> 00:41:19.309
perhaps you want to bring out or not what you

00:41:19.309 --> 00:41:21.090
want to bring out. Maybe, maybe it is the standard,

00:41:21.110 --> 00:41:23.510
but it's not quite what you're doing now. But

00:41:23.510 --> 00:41:26.150
you should have an actual stepping stone between

00:41:26.150 --> 00:41:28.289
coming out the shadows and what we're doing now.

00:41:28.949 --> 00:41:31.170
Absolutely. You should be proud of it. It's an

00:41:31.170 --> 00:41:36.329
important moment. It's like the lyrics are great

00:41:36.329 --> 00:41:40.949
the Luke's right. I look at it now from a Production

00:41:40.949 --> 00:41:44.909
standpoint, I guess I'm a stickler. Oh, I waste

00:41:44.909 --> 00:41:47.309
a lot of time making sure that I get it right

00:41:47.309 --> 00:41:50.070
You know that it sounds right the one I put it

00:41:50.070 --> 00:41:53.989
out that it's gonna be Good good enough, you

00:41:53.989 --> 00:42:03.230
know and Yeah, it's um It's laborious sometimes,

00:42:03.650 --> 00:42:08.050
but even when I write, I can write a song and

00:42:08.050 --> 00:42:10.449
I'll look at it, put it away for a day or two

00:42:10.449 --> 00:42:14.670
and I come back to it and I'm constantly sifting

00:42:14.670 --> 00:42:17.690
through it, manipulating it, get it where I want

00:42:17.690 --> 00:42:21.010
it to be, to say the kind of words, using the

00:42:21.010 --> 00:42:24.829
words I want to use. So yeah, it's a process.

00:42:26.469 --> 00:42:29.309
Some of them are quick, some of them take a lot

00:42:29.309 --> 00:42:32.829
longer. to get through the process. And that

00:42:32.829 --> 00:42:35.389
brings me to a song I think you and I have spoke

00:42:35.389 --> 00:42:39.710
about it before. Ah, yes. Yeah, that I've written

00:42:39.710 --> 00:42:42.429
is called Dagger and Cloak. Mm, very clever.

00:42:43.889 --> 00:42:52.289
It's very poignant. It's a song that's, let's

00:42:52.289 --> 00:42:55.949
say it's a political song. Not that I was aiming

00:42:55.949 --> 00:42:59.820
for that, but it's just what came out. from what

00:42:59.820 --> 00:43:03.800
I've seen and what I've experienced. And I just

00:43:03.800 --> 00:43:05.940
thought, this is a song that I need to write.

00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:10.599
I wrote it. And again, it didn't take me a long

00:43:10.599 --> 00:43:13.360
time to write it. I had all the words there.

00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:15.119
They were right there, and I just went, boom,

00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:20.420
this is it. And I wrote it out. And after I'd

00:43:20.420 --> 00:43:22.699
written the song, I looked at it, and I started

00:43:22.699 --> 00:43:24.139
looking at it, and I went, oh my gosh, I better

00:43:24.139 --> 00:43:28.219
be careful there, you know? A bit careful. But

00:43:28.219 --> 00:43:33.780
it's a descriptive song. But I will, I will tell

00:43:33.780 --> 00:43:36.719
you. I will release it. It will be released.

00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:42.500
It has to be. Just to explain to Sue, it's so

00:43:42.500 --> 00:43:45.900
cleverly - Sorry, I'm sorry. You may remember

00:43:45.900 --> 00:43:47.960
we interviewed Dean Friedman when he brought

00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:51.380
his first album out and he did a song called

00:43:51.380 --> 00:43:54.699
Stupid Town on it. It's not a million miles from

00:43:54.699 --> 00:43:57.980
that where he's going with it. Very cleverly

00:43:57.980 --> 00:44:00.539
done. Just as Dean Friedman was a little bit

00:44:00.539 --> 00:44:04.739
more blatant with the title but it's clever.

00:44:05.099 --> 00:44:07.119
Very cleverly done in the way it's presented

00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:11.099
and the words it's got in it. It's there. It'll

00:44:11.099 --> 00:44:13.420
be a good one and it's it's a good track to you

00:44:13.420 --> 00:44:16.519
like it's it moves along nicely. That's a good

00:44:16.519 --> 00:44:22.000
What else have I got on the only? In the works,

00:44:22.039 --> 00:44:24.440
I've got lots in the works. I would be honest

00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:28.679
with you. I've got books like Like that. I don't

00:44:28.679 --> 00:44:31.900
know how many volumes I have of just lyrics now

00:44:31.900 --> 00:44:36.599
for many years even when I wasn't actively playing

00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:40.440
in a band or any of that kind of paper I would

00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:44.440
still write so I write lyrics and I'd write them

00:44:44.440 --> 00:44:48.099
in like either poems or prose and then I would

00:44:48.099 --> 00:44:53.179
uh like this I'd write them out and then I just

00:44:53.179 --> 00:44:59.199
put them away file them right and then I might

00:44:59.199 --> 00:45:03.199
be playing guitar or get a melody in my head

00:45:03.199 --> 00:45:05.119
sometimes it just happens where I get a melody

00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:08.000
line and then I would go oh that would fit with

00:45:08.170 --> 00:45:11.590
part of regret or whatever the song is I'm working

00:45:11.590 --> 00:45:14.829
on. So then I get the guitar, start playing with

00:45:14.829 --> 00:45:18.789
it, and then I just build it from there. It goes

00:45:18.789 --> 00:45:22.210
like that. So for the majority of my songs, I

00:45:22.210 --> 00:45:25.929
got to say, in the early days, it was a music.

00:45:26.010 --> 00:45:31.989
So I would basically come up with hooks and chord

00:45:31.989 --> 00:45:34.530
progressions, et cetera. And I'd have melody

00:45:34.530 --> 00:45:36.369
lines and those kinds of things would come first.

00:45:36.539 --> 00:45:40.500
and then I'd write the lyrics to the song. But

00:45:40.500 --> 00:45:45.099
in latter years, it's been more that I'm writing

00:45:45.099 --> 00:45:49.099
the lyrics. The lyrics are coming, and then the

00:45:49.099 --> 00:45:53.840
music comes after it. It's backwards. I don't

00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:55.860
understand. I don't know myself. I don't know

00:45:55.860 --> 00:45:58.079
why that's happening, but that's what's happening.

00:45:58.139 --> 00:45:59.760
Is there a correct way of doing it though, really?

00:46:00.340 --> 00:46:03.570
No, no, absolutely not. No, no, no, no, no. I

00:46:03.570 --> 00:46:06.730
think it's just it's however you approach it

00:46:06.730 --> 00:46:12.929
yourself. I think for for me, I've been and I'd

00:46:12.929 --> 00:46:16.230
say the last, I'm going to say decade, 10 years.

00:46:16.769 --> 00:46:22.690
It's for me, it's been more about. Running stories,

00:46:22.690 --> 00:46:26.090
you know, a com story about balance, that's why

00:46:26.090 --> 00:46:29.650
I'm seeing country music is because it lends

00:46:29.650 --> 00:46:32.980
itself. To that you know this music. Oh, sorry

00:46:32.980 --> 00:46:36.559
these songs lend themselves to the genre Okay,

00:46:36.719 --> 00:46:38.599
it could be blues also, and I've written some

00:46:38.599 --> 00:46:41.699
really good blue songs above me over here, but

00:46:41.699 --> 00:46:44.940
like and then say the thing I'll tell you Disclaimer

00:46:44.940 --> 00:46:47.760
I have a band so I have a I have a blues band

00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:51.420
So yeah, so I got guys here to help me out to

00:46:51.420 --> 00:46:54.599
you. I've got an excellent musicians that I've

00:46:54.599 --> 00:46:58.780
worked with so These guys they know that you

00:46:58.780 --> 00:47:02.000
know I play in a blues band I play blues music,

00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:03.920
and they know what I'm doing with this stuff,

00:47:03.960 --> 00:47:05.900
this country stuff. They think it's funny. They

00:47:05.900 --> 00:47:08.960
really think this is really funny, John. You're

00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:29.510
a blues guy, but I'm doing this stuff. Nobody

00:47:29.510 --> 00:47:33.070
knows where they'll begin. Tall tales, belly

00:47:33.070 --> 00:47:36.909
laughs, and country style. They'll have you grinning

00:47:36.909 --> 00:47:42.170
mile after mile. Is Chatterbox on your radio?

00:47:42.489 --> 00:47:45.670
Where the indie music's always stealing the show.

00:47:46.210 --> 00:47:50.190
Nick and Sue are the chattering pair. Fun and

00:47:50.190 --> 00:47:54.989
laughter fill the air, so tune on in. Don't be

00:47:54.989 --> 00:48:01.849
late, cause on Chatterbox. Everyone's got something

00:48:01.849 --> 00:48:27.789
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00:48:35.469 --> 00:48:38.210
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00:50:29.239 --> 00:50:35.880
know about musical entertainment Chatterbox Chatterbox

00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:39.320
Chatterbox Chatterbox Chatterbox What's your

00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:42.000
opinion of, I mean, you've obviously been warned

00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:45.840
about the British audience and country music.

00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:48.460
What's your view of what you've seen? Because

00:50:48.460 --> 00:50:50.980
it was, what's happened in the last two years,

00:50:51.539 --> 00:50:53.619
the country songs and hit and miss and the way

00:50:53.619 --> 00:50:55.579
songs are played and requested, they've gone

00:50:55.579 --> 00:50:58.380
from being rock bottom to getting a semi -final

00:50:58.380 --> 00:51:00.360
place. They're getting seconds and thirds and

00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:02.380
fourths and fifths, and they're getting 200 votes

00:51:02.380 --> 00:51:05.519
and they're getting this and that. Certain types

00:51:05.519 --> 00:51:08.659
of music is lively, really good, you know, but...

00:51:08.559 --> 00:51:10.659
In the UK, the Brits don't think it's country

00:51:10.659 --> 00:51:12.980
music, you see. That's the secret. They don't

00:51:12.980 --> 00:51:15.699
think it is. It's incredible, isn't it? They

00:51:15.699 --> 00:51:17.960
don't think it is. No, but it's true, right?

00:51:19.619 --> 00:51:21.679
I've got lots of cousins over there. I've got

00:51:21.679 --> 00:51:25.260
cousins in, I think, where have I got them? Yorkshire,

00:51:25.460 --> 00:51:29.599
Blackpool, London. All my cousins, they're listening.

00:51:29.940 --> 00:51:31.599
They listen to the music and the music I'm doing.

00:51:31.699 --> 00:51:33.679
Oh, it's great, because we love your stuff. You

00:51:33.679 --> 00:51:35.300
know, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, yeah, it's

00:51:35.300 --> 00:51:41.190
good. But my cousin, Glenda, she's in the boot

00:51:41.190 --> 00:51:42.929
-scooting, believe it or not. So she's in the

00:51:42.929 --> 00:51:44.690
boot -scooting. So she loves, like, high horse

00:51:44.690 --> 00:51:48.789
heads right up her alley. So this is what I'm

00:51:48.789 --> 00:51:51.190
saying, like, yeah, even in the UK, I think there

00:51:51.190 --> 00:51:55.070
is... It's catching on, if it ever... It's not

00:51:55.070 --> 00:51:56.610
resurrecting, because it is not really... Apart

00:51:56.610 --> 00:51:58.389
from Dolly Parton and Tammy Winnett and that

00:51:58.389 --> 00:52:00.809
style crowd from the 70s and that... Yeah, yeah,

00:52:00.989 --> 00:52:04.829
yeah. Not really... Not really been here en masse.

00:52:05.019 --> 00:52:07.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But now you're seeing it, now

00:52:07.340 --> 00:52:09.300
you're seeing the real people listening to a

00:52:09.300 --> 00:52:11.960
radio. Now most people on R &I, you don't ever

00:52:11.960 --> 00:52:16.559
see. But there's real people now, those songs

00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:20.360
go out to, or clips of them, go out to 200 people

00:52:20.360 --> 00:52:24.619
every week. yeah yeah yeah um and it's uh now

00:52:24.619 --> 00:52:26.780
these people are just genuinely normal people

00:52:26.780 --> 00:52:28.400
that listen to a radio that don't really go in

00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:30.679
the chat room i think about five of them over

00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:33.519
the period of a week or a month um but in general

00:52:33.519 --> 00:52:35.519
they're the real radio people that you don't

00:52:35.519 --> 00:52:39.699
see yeah yeah that 200 when it's probably 2000

00:52:39.699 --> 00:52:42.780
listening in london at any one time on fm uh

00:52:42.780 --> 00:52:44.079
something like that then there's the rest of

00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:45.739
the country and then there's chat box everywhere

00:52:45.739 --> 00:52:49.039
which is going on um that's a lot of people going

00:52:49.039 --> 00:52:51.610
to be tapping their feet to it so that's gone

00:52:51.610 --> 00:52:55.769
from three three people voting hit and 20 going

00:52:55.769 --> 00:53:00.449
miss to a hundred voting hit yeah that's unreal

00:53:00.449 --> 00:53:04.469
that's incredible yeah yeah something's happening

00:53:04.469 --> 00:53:05.869
because i know that you were thinking you were

00:53:05.869 --> 00:53:07.909
wondering weren't you about what uh the whole

00:53:07.909 --> 00:53:11.050
country you know i think it's better comment

00:53:11.050 --> 00:53:13.309
in the chat room or maybe to me about the uk

00:53:13.309 --> 00:53:15.269
and country music no it's not that bad no we

00:53:15.269 --> 00:53:17.130
don't let us like it that much we don't want

00:53:17.130 --> 00:53:20.320
too much of it yeah yeah We've got to break them

00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:23.340
in gently. But they're getting some good stuff.

00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:25.860
And half these people don't think it's country

00:53:25.860 --> 00:53:28.239
music. They just think it's rock. It could be

00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:31.039
country rock, of course. Let's just call it rock,

00:53:31.119 --> 00:53:33.059
if that's what... Because things can have different

00:53:33.059 --> 00:53:34.920
names in the UK to Canada and America. If they

00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:36.559
want to call it some sort of rock, let them say

00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:38.980
it. That's right. Absolutely. If it works itself,

00:53:39.159 --> 00:53:45.820
it's fine. 100%. Like, you know, the thing is,

00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:49.130
like, if you look at... Broken. Broken's got

00:53:49.130 --> 00:53:52.190
like a rock riff in it, right? It's a rock song,

00:53:52.610 --> 00:53:55.849
right? It's a rock song with a country flavor.

00:53:56.130 --> 00:54:01.670
That's what I'm going to say. It's rock. And

00:54:01.670 --> 00:54:05.929
at my heart, my base, I'm a rock guy, just like,

00:54:05.949 --> 00:54:09.099
you know, I grew up with it. the same bands as

00:54:09.099 --> 00:54:11.179
everybody else, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, you

00:54:11.179 --> 00:54:14.760
know, all that kind of stuff. Those guys were

00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:19.219
my idols when I was a kid growing up. So I come

00:54:19.219 --> 00:54:23.719
from the same place. And then, you know, looking

00:54:23.719 --> 00:54:26.780
at, like I said, with the blues stuff, I mean,

00:54:26.860 --> 00:54:29.400
I just looked at what Led Zeppelin was doing.

00:54:29.579 --> 00:54:32.739
Okay, so this is great music, but the roots of

00:54:32.739 --> 00:54:36.059
that music is coming out of the blues, as was

00:54:36.269 --> 00:54:39.050
a lot of it in those days. So that's where I

00:54:39.050 --> 00:54:41.130
went back, right to the roots of it, you know,

00:54:41.530 --> 00:54:44.090
and listened to T -Bone Walker and all the old

00:54:44.090 --> 00:54:47.650
blues guys. Yeah. And, you know, and Eric Clapton

00:54:47.650 --> 00:54:50.610
as well, B .B. King and all the Kingies, you

00:54:50.610 --> 00:54:53.750
know, Albert King, Albert Collins, all these

00:54:53.750 --> 00:54:57.050
guys. Like, that's that's where my guitar style

00:54:57.050 --> 00:54:59.980
comes from, sexy blues guitar style. and one

00:54:59.980 --> 00:55:02.980
to find this group full -time of longevity as

00:55:02.980 --> 00:55:06.159
well. Rolling stones all go back to blues roots.

00:55:06.320 --> 00:55:10.179
That's what they grow. 100%. 100%. You watch

00:55:10.179 --> 00:55:14.760
the cat all night afterwards. Let's have a look,

00:55:14.960 --> 00:55:19.400
John, at what Gemini Google AI has to say. And

00:55:19.400 --> 00:55:29.300
I am a Gemini too. Thank God I'm not dating you

00:55:29.300 --> 00:55:38.880
then, yeah. I tried one and it didn't work. OK,

00:55:39.280 --> 00:55:46.119
please, can we move on? So I asked at work, I

00:55:46.119 --> 00:55:50.300
went to Gemini AI and I said, what can you tell

00:55:50.300 --> 00:55:52.880
me about the Canadian singer John R. Coburn,

00:55:53.059 --> 00:55:56.139
please? It comes back and says, it looks like

00:55:56.139 --> 00:55:58.579
there might be a slight mix up in the name. You

00:55:58.579 --> 00:56:01.420
are likely thinking of John Aaron or Aaron Coburn

00:56:01.420 --> 00:56:05.099
or Bruce Coburn. So I then say, right, OK, so.

00:56:05.260 --> 00:56:08.820
It tells me about them. I go and say, nope, he's

00:56:08.820 --> 00:56:10.679
a country singer from Canada, song called Broken.

00:56:11.300 --> 00:56:14.539
Ah, then the coin drops. Ah, I stand corrected.

00:56:14.639 --> 00:56:16.739
Thanks for putting me on the right track. John

00:56:16.739 --> 00:56:19.219
R. Coburn is an independent Canadian country

00:56:19.219 --> 00:56:23.800
artist. Here is what is out on his music radar.

00:56:24.539 --> 00:56:28.199
Broken releases a single in May 2026 featuring

00:56:28.199 --> 00:56:31.900
a modern country sound. Other tracks. He has

00:56:31.900 --> 00:56:34.340
released country singles including The Reckoning

00:56:34.340 --> 00:56:39.559
and The Righteous Cowboy. Style. His work blends

00:56:39.559 --> 00:56:42.599
classic story -driven country themes, faith,

00:56:42.820 --> 00:56:46.579
hardship and resilience with modern country production.

00:56:47.179 --> 00:56:49.920
His tracks are available on platforms like Apple

00:56:49.920 --> 00:56:53.480
Music, Spotify and iHeartRadio. How are we doing

00:56:53.480 --> 00:56:58.739
so far with it? Perfect. You're an emerging independent

00:56:58.739 --> 00:57:01.579
artist and as of 2026 you've released four songs

00:57:01.579 --> 00:57:03.340
on streaming platforms which you've mentioned,

00:57:03.679 --> 00:57:08.219
Broken May 2026, The Wrecking in April 2026,

00:57:08.719 --> 00:57:12.119
Righteous Cowboy November 2025, she's doing all

00:57:12.119 --> 00:57:14.420
right with the dates as well, and High Horse

00:57:14.420 --> 00:57:16.599
with no dates at the moment in these updates.

00:57:17.960 --> 00:57:22.239
This is a newer act on the country scene. His

00:57:22.239 --> 00:57:24.320
current catalogue consists of these standalone

00:57:24.320 --> 00:57:26.139
singles, rather than the full -length studio

00:57:26.139 --> 00:57:28.460
album. That's right. When's the album coming

00:57:28.460 --> 00:57:30.880
then? When's the anthology coming? Okay, well,

00:57:30.880 --> 00:57:33.960
I have a strategy, so I'll tell you the strategy.

00:57:34.340 --> 00:57:37.300
In the old days, we would go in the studio and

00:57:37.300 --> 00:57:40.059
we'd do a full album, right? So whatever that

00:57:40.059 --> 00:57:43.860
consisted of, let's say 10 songs. And then we

00:57:43.860 --> 00:57:46.119
released that album, and then out of that would

00:57:46.119 --> 00:57:51.030
be selected a single or two. depending on what

00:57:51.030 --> 00:57:55.070
was selected by the label at the time. Today,

00:57:55.670 --> 00:57:57.849
I think the way we tackle it is this, or the

00:57:57.849 --> 00:58:00.829
way I am gonna tackle it, is I'm gonna put out

00:58:00.829 --> 00:58:04.670
singles, single, single, and I'm gonna pace it,

00:58:04.750 --> 00:58:07.230
I'm gonna pace myself, I'm gonna watch how they

00:58:07.230 --> 00:58:09.650
go up the chart, and when I start falling down

00:58:09.650 --> 00:58:14.670
the chart, I'll bring another one out. And once

00:58:14.670 --> 00:58:20.210
I've got maybe eight songs and I think it's an

00:58:20.210 --> 00:58:22.730
album already, then I'll put them out as an album.

00:58:23.670 --> 00:58:26.090
And that's what I do. That's how I'm going to

00:58:26.090 --> 00:58:28.590
do it. I don't know if it's right, wrong, or

00:58:28.590 --> 00:58:31.909
I'm on the wrong track or what, but that's what's,

00:58:31.909 --> 00:58:34.389
that's just my thought process. What do you think?

00:58:34.889 --> 00:58:37.329
I'll leave it to you. You've been in the industry

00:58:37.329 --> 00:58:40.889
a long time, so you'll know. Do what you feel

00:58:40.889 --> 00:58:43.250
is right. But I like that thing, yeah, I do like

00:58:43.250 --> 00:58:46.460
that. I like that. don't when you're ready what

00:58:46.460 --> 00:58:48.980
feels right and of course different territories

00:58:48.980 --> 00:58:52.820
are different okay that's that brings i'll tell

00:58:52.820 --> 00:58:56.280
you another bit of inside information i've also

00:58:56.280 --> 00:58:59.300
written a song it's called the man from wenderlee

00:58:59.300 --> 00:59:03.960
it's an australian song and it's for an australian

00:59:03.960 --> 00:59:09.420
specifically an australian audience now there's

00:59:09.420 --> 00:59:13.639
a bit of a story attached to this my father Who

00:59:13.639 --> 00:59:18.260
is now 95 still alive and my mom my mom both

00:59:18.260 --> 00:59:22.460
of them alive they live in South of Sydney in

00:59:22.460 --> 00:59:25.519
the hills they live What's called the Southern

00:59:25.519 --> 00:59:30.980
Highlands in Sydney? That's absolutely good I'll

00:59:30.980 --> 00:59:33.619
be Gemini AI now. I'd like to throw in a red

00:59:33.619 --> 00:59:37.639
herring just to see what you are Okay, okay now

00:59:37.639 --> 00:59:41.780
mister So I ask sort of probably punish me for

00:59:41.780 --> 00:59:47.670
this I ask Is it true that John used to be a

00:59:47.670 --> 00:59:51.429
Colonel Harlem D. Salmond impersonator and was

00:59:51.429 --> 00:59:53.809
employed by KFC when the Colonel himself died

00:59:53.809 --> 00:59:57.369
in 1918 and was employed to open new branches

00:59:57.369 --> 00:59:59.429
and refurbish branches and appear on television

00:59:59.429 --> 01:00:02.730
commercials in Canada? And they could. You could?

01:00:02.849 --> 01:00:05.550
It says no, that claim is not true. It names

01:00:05.550 --> 01:00:07.690
the guy that got the job when the Colonel died.

01:00:11.110 --> 01:00:14.110
There's something you should do. I will say,

01:00:15.170 --> 01:00:18.170
you do look like him. I met the Royal Colonel,

01:00:18.570 --> 01:00:23.730
he came to Hastings in 1976. Our KFC in our town,

01:00:23.869 --> 01:00:25.989
we've got four here, and the one in Old Village

01:00:25.989 --> 01:00:29.969
is the third oldest in Europe. and he visited

01:00:29.969 --> 01:00:33.110
and we were all the streets were lined they got

01:00:33.110 --> 01:00:34.869
all the school kids off for the day anybody thought

01:00:34.869 --> 01:00:38.929
the Queen was coming right and we were all there

01:00:38.929 --> 01:00:41.510
with our little flags and he turns up and actually

01:00:41.510 --> 01:00:45.309
met him yeah so he would have been about 86 then

01:00:45.309 --> 01:00:48.170
so we've actually met yeah and he's got a nicer

01:00:48.170 --> 01:00:52.449
smile he was old but you know so Rob Wills is

01:00:52.449 --> 01:00:54.880
the actor so when he dies We're going to get

01:00:54.880 --> 01:00:59.940
you in and I'll be, can I be your agent for that

01:00:59.940 --> 01:01:02.500
and negotiate for you? You can do that. Brilliant,

01:01:02.500 --> 01:01:04.900
sorted. So Rob, and his Canadian actor, Rob Wills.

01:01:05.159 --> 01:01:07.159
And did you know Colonel Sanders actually lived

01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:10.940
in Canada when he died? That's right. He lived

01:01:10.940 --> 01:01:16.079
up here in Toronto. So just say no, that claim's

01:01:16.079 --> 01:01:17.639
not true, but I'd like to throw in a red herring

01:01:17.639 --> 01:01:20.179
and see what it says. Well, you know, you never

01:01:20.179 --> 01:01:24.780
know. There you go. You know, I tell you, I tell

01:01:24.780 --> 01:01:29.199
you, a gig once, right? And this is when my daughter

01:01:29.199 --> 01:01:35.679
was playing with me. And she told me that she

01:01:35.679 --> 01:01:39.000
said, hey, Dad, see that girl over there at that

01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:41.079
seat? And she pointed out this table. I said,

01:01:41.219 --> 01:01:45.659
oh, yeah? She goes, I didn't know Colonel Sanders

01:01:45.659 --> 01:01:51.739
playing guitar. Oh! That's the true story. And

01:01:51.739 --> 01:01:53.820
I said, oh, well, I'm gonna go over and see her

01:01:53.820 --> 01:01:57.289
after I'm finished here. Do you know what? I

01:01:57.289 --> 01:01:59.309
mean you have a lovely face, a nice smile, a

01:01:59.309 --> 01:02:01.690
kind face, but do you know what? If you're going

01:02:01.690 --> 01:02:03.929
to be associated with anybody that's famous,

01:02:04.409 --> 01:02:06.230
it's not really a bad one to be associated with,

01:02:06.309 --> 01:02:08.269
unless it's the vegan society after you, you're

01:02:08.269 --> 01:02:11.429
pretty good at it. You're pretty good. So it

01:02:11.429 --> 01:02:13.170
isn't a bad one. I mean, I'm never putting anything

01:02:13.170 --> 01:02:15.210
bad, but I do put in a red herring, so I wonder

01:02:15.210 --> 01:02:17.769
how it's going to come back here. It describes

01:02:17.769 --> 01:02:19.849
how you looked, so despite not knowing you in

01:02:19.849 --> 01:02:21.889
the first thing, it actually describes, you know,

01:02:22.489 --> 01:02:24.980
okay? because this is when I put it in about

01:02:24.980 --> 01:02:26.679
modern impersonators and then what it says about

01:02:26.679 --> 01:02:29.960
you is while John R Coburn sports the classic

01:02:29.960 --> 01:02:34.139
white bearded western aesthetic in his modern

01:02:34.139 --> 01:02:37.320
country music career his background is strictly

01:02:37.320 --> 01:02:40.000
music rather than the fast -feed brand representation

01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:46.179
so it says no it's purely a rumor which we started

01:02:46.179 --> 01:02:50.030
the other night Bart, listen, John, if this keeps

01:02:50.030 --> 01:02:51.730
coming out, like if we leave it in the interview,

01:02:51.750 --> 01:02:54.349
if you're right with that, it's a talking point.

01:02:54.510 --> 01:02:56.349
It's a harmless talking point that you can do

01:02:56.349 --> 01:03:02.349
the story about the altering. Listen, my nickname,

01:03:03.369 --> 01:03:06.269
like, my buddies all call me this, Rooster, I'm

01:03:06.269 --> 01:03:08.989
Rooster, that's what they call me. Yeah, yeah,

01:03:09.409 --> 01:03:11.929
yeah, so that's what they call me. All my friends,

01:03:12.510 --> 01:03:15.070
all my guy friends call me Rooster. Hey, Rooster.

01:03:15.550 --> 01:03:18.650
So I've had that tag for many, many moons. I've

01:03:18.650 --> 01:03:23.349
had it for a long time. I don't know who came

01:03:23.349 --> 01:03:26.309
up with it, but somebody hung out with one of

01:03:26.309 --> 01:03:29.690
the guys in the band. That's what they came up

01:03:29.690 --> 01:03:33.250
with. But yeah, but that's funny. Rooster Chickens.

01:03:33.690 --> 01:03:38.070
Yeah, you're right. Yeah, I think it's right.

01:03:38.869 --> 01:03:40.809
I like the way he says it in Colonel Saunders'

01:03:41.030 --> 01:03:42.690
room. I say, yeah, if you're happy with it, it

01:03:42.690 --> 01:03:45.550
can stay. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, 100%. It's harmless.

01:03:45.769 --> 01:03:47.170
It's a talking point. And then you'll probably

01:03:47.170 --> 01:03:50.269
have other interviews saying about it, about

01:03:50.269 --> 01:03:51.929
the story with your daughter and the friend saying

01:03:51.929 --> 01:03:53.750
about Colonel Saunders playing the guitar. Oh,

01:03:53.869 --> 01:03:56.489
yeah. It's harmless. But listen, as I said earlier,

01:03:56.829 --> 01:03:58.130
if you're going to be associated with somebody

01:03:58.130 --> 01:04:00.590
famous, it's not a bad one. It isn't. No, no,

01:04:00.590 --> 01:04:05.800
no, no. Not at all. Trust me, there's worse than

01:04:05.800 --> 01:04:12.420
that. Okay, so album -wise, I mean is it just

01:04:12.420 --> 01:04:13.800
going to be a whole load of singles or are we

01:04:13.800 --> 01:04:15.300
going to see them collectively putting people

01:04:15.300 --> 01:04:17.900
down over the lot in one go or what is the plan

01:04:17.900 --> 01:04:21.880
going to be that way? I think, like I say, I

01:04:21.880 --> 01:04:25.139
think I'm just going to, I'm taking it one single

01:04:25.139 --> 01:04:28.679
at a time so to speak. Yeah, I'm going to just

01:04:28.679 --> 01:04:31.039
release a single at a time and see where it takes

01:04:31.039 --> 01:04:34.550
me and that's the size of it. in terms of like

01:04:34.550 --> 01:04:37.989
I've never since I'll call it coming out of the

01:04:37.989 --> 01:04:41.590
shadows I don't have any aspirations to be truthful

01:04:41.590 --> 01:04:45.590
with you um of going on the road or or doing

01:04:45.590 --> 01:04:49.349
the licking stuff I you knew what's coming next

01:04:49.349 --> 01:04:54.750
didn't you yeah because I'm like the thing the

01:04:54.750 --> 01:05:00.150
thing is I'm an older guy and I uh like I am

01:05:00.150 --> 01:05:05.599
an older guy so I have health issues like that

01:05:05.599 --> 01:05:11.500
would not allow me to to do that. I'm well and

01:05:11.500 --> 01:05:17.059
truly good at. Talking and singing and playing

01:05:17.059 --> 01:05:19.860
guitar and stuff, but to go on long extended.

01:05:20.840 --> 01:05:23.920
Trails and being buses and stuff that kind of

01:05:23.920 --> 01:05:27.519
stuff now. I've done it. I've done that being

01:05:27.519 --> 01:05:31.639
there done that sold the T shirts and it's not.

01:05:31.679 --> 01:05:37.079
easy in Canada? It is not. Your days apart from

01:05:37.079 --> 01:05:39.000
the next gig sometimes, aren't you? A hundred

01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:42.119
percent. Every three days, yeah. I'll tell you,

01:05:42.260 --> 01:05:46.320
I have done it to death. And, you know, after

01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:49.039
like, as a young man, it's different when you're

01:05:49.039 --> 01:05:50.639
young and you're single and you don't have any

01:05:50.639 --> 01:05:54.039
ties. You can live that lifestyle, you know,

01:05:54.099 --> 01:05:57.059
you can you can be that that guy. But when you've

01:05:57.059 --> 01:06:01.090
got family and commitments. Yeah, yeah, it's

01:06:01.090 --> 01:06:04.389
not it's not easy and I've been I've always been

01:06:04.389 --> 01:06:06.889
sort of a clean living guy So I've never got

01:06:06.889 --> 01:06:10.469
involved in drugs and all that caper and never

01:06:10.469 --> 01:06:13.349
and it's not that wasn't around in my day It

01:06:13.349 --> 01:06:17.869
was trust me Yeah, so but but I've never been

01:06:17.869 --> 01:06:20.409
involved in any of that I've always keep myself

01:06:20.409 --> 01:06:23.869
kept myself clean and I know you know, I've got

01:06:23.869 --> 01:06:25.789
a good head on my shoulders Let me put it that

01:06:25.789 --> 01:06:31.719
way, right? So I just know I would rather be

01:06:31.719 --> 01:06:35.679
the guy, I'd rather float back into the shadows

01:06:35.679 --> 01:06:40.400
again and write for other people, do what I was

01:06:40.400 --> 01:06:43.559
doing before. But maybe this time I'll put my

01:06:43.559 --> 01:06:49.059
tag on it, written by this guy. That'd be the

01:06:49.059 --> 01:06:51.320
only difference this time. That'd be the only

01:06:51.320 --> 01:06:55.119
difference. So just say we get you back. Just

01:06:55.119 --> 01:06:56.820
say we get you back on a six -month time, but

01:06:56.820 --> 01:06:58.440
when have you come back next? What would you

01:06:58.440 --> 01:07:02.019
like to be telling us that you've achieved? In

01:07:02.019 --> 01:07:07.639
six months from now? Yeah, yeah. I would imagine

01:07:07.639 --> 01:07:13.199
that there would be another, at least two, maybe

01:07:13.199 --> 01:07:17.320
three, I'm going to say two at least, 100%. There'd

01:07:17.320 --> 01:07:21.360
be two more singles released in that time period.

01:07:21.679 --> 01:07:25.380
I'm not in a huge rush to do it. John, we're

01:07:25.380 --> 01:07:27.320
nearly out of time again, so let's do social

01:07:27.320 --> 01:07:29.739
media. Have you got websites? I know you're a

01:07:29.739 --> 01:07:31.840
Facebook player. Chuck it up on what you've got

01:07:31.840 --> 01:07:35.119
on websites where people can find you. Whatever

01:07:35.119 --> 01:07:39.139
you've got, yeah. I don't really have a presence

01:07:39.139 --> 01:07:45.260
up there. I've never been a big, like, you know,

01:07:45.360 --> 01:07:48.059
out there trying to schmook myself, if you will.

01:07:49.150 --> 01:07:53.329
I'm on Spotify, I'm on YouTube, iTunes, all that

01:07:53.329 --> 01:07:56.730
kind of stuff. Yeah, of course. I'm selling my

01:07:56.730 --> 01:08:00.889
wares, if you will, on all those platforms, right?

01:08:01.489 --> 01:08:05.710
So when I release a single, it goes out to 150

01:08:05.710 --> 01:08:08.469
different platforms across the world, Deezer

01:08:08.469 --> 01:08:11.750
and all over the planet. So the stuff is out

01:08:11.750 --> 01:08:15.340
there. Yeah, there's stuff on YouTube. I'm trying

01:08:15.340 --> 01:08:17.319
to do a couple of videos and get those up on

01:08:17.319 --> 01:08:19.859
YouTube as well. It would be amazing. Yes. Yeah,

01:08:20.020 --> 01:08:23.500
yeah. So these are things that I'm working on.

01:08:24.880 --> 01:08:29.979
Those are not my forte, but I will. Definitely,

01:08:30.119 --> 01:08:34.680
venture into that area. Yes, the outfits as well.

01:08:35.319 --> 01:08:40.199
It will work. Looking at the high horse cover.

01:08:44.440 --> 01:08:47.020
posters i can make posters up and that kind of

01:08:47.020 --> 01:08:48.819
stuff yeah i'm good at that very good very good

01:08:48.819 --> 01:08:52.340
yeah yeah okay well it's been fascinating uh

01:08:52.340 --> 01:08:54.319
john has been great mixing it of course well

01:08:54.319 --> 01:08:56.199
it's great to meet you guys in the flesh too

01:08:56.199 --> 01:08:59.000
uh anyway thanks so much john okay guys thank

01:08:59.000 --> 01:09:25.720
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