WEBVTT 00:00:01.890 --> 00:00:04.650 This edition of the Chatterbox Redux podcast 00:00:04.650 --> 00:00:06.750 is brought to you in association with the Old 00:00:06.750 --> 00:00:09.470 Glory Iconic Music and Sports Superstore. More 00:00:09.470 --> 00:00:17.210 from them in a bit. Chatterbox. When the stars 00:00:17.210 --> 00:00:39.000 talk, they talk to Nick and Sue. and today our 00:00:39.000 --> 00:00:42.140 special guest is Mark Christopher Lee of Hub 00:00:42.140 --> 00:01:14.109 TV. This is Nick and Sue, with Chatterbox giving 00:01:14.109 --> 00:01:18.769 you all you need to know about musical entertainment. 00:01:20.489 --> 00:01:25.930 Oh yeah! Chatterbox, the best interviews with 00:01:25.930 --> 00:01:39.469 Nick and Sue. Chatterbox, the best news Join 00:01:39.469 --> 00:01:42.310 us now on this riveting journey as we explore 00:01:42.310 --> 00:01:44.849 the British royal family's unique fascination 00:01:44.849 --> 00:01:51.469 with the unknown. The royal family has been interested 00:01:51.469 --> 00:01:55.310 in UFOs for decades. This was always a matter 00:01:55.310 --> 00:01:59.269 of extreme sensitivity. Documents going way back 00:01:59.269 --> 00:02:03.370 to the 50s. The Queen sent scientific advisors 00:02:03.370 --> 00:02:06.750 to crop circles. They know more about it. They 00:02:06.750 --> 00:02:10.949 want to find out more. Of course there's life 00:02:10.949 --> 00:02:13.909 somewhere else. And the Royal Family, believe 00:02:13.909 --> 00:02:18.349 it! Do you think the technology US pilots are 00:02:18.349 --> 00:02:20.469 seeing now in the skies could be linked to what 00:02:20.469 --> 00:02:26.770 Charles was flying? This will leak and it will 00:02:26.770 --> 00:02:31.069 cause quite a scandal. There were dome -like 00:02:31.069 --> 00:02:33.650 projections around each of the pilots. Charles 00:02:33.650 --> 00:02:35.710 and his engineering crew were familiar with the 00:02:35.710 --> 00:02:40.680 craft. So many exciting reports. What are they 00:02:40.680 --> 00:02:43.520 here for? What's Charles going to respond to? 00:02:44.219 --> 00:02:46.360 Their interest is based on factual knowledge 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:48.159 that they've been able to get access to that 00:02:48.159 --> 00:02:52.620 we don't. We'll alarm people. By God, these things 00:02:52.620 --> 00:02:57.159 are dangerous. It's a bit like a Pandora's box. 00:02:57.280 --> 00:03:00.379 If we took the lid off and looked inside, we'd 00:03:00.379 --> 00:03:07.560 never be the same again. And now on Chatterbox 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:10.020 UK, we're just lucky enough to welcome back, 00:03:10.400 --> 00:03:13.439 for the un -teamed time, I think, Mark Christopher 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:17.039 Lee. Mark, welcome back. How are you, sir? Yeah, 00:03:17.080 --> 00:03:20.120 very well. Thank you for having me back. Hopefully 00:03:20.120 --> 00:03:24.400 I'll make sense. Always a pleasure. Well, by 00:03:24.400 --> 00:03:26.919 now, when the show goes out, they'll have all 00:03:26.919 --> 00:03:29.680 heard your little trailer. Oh, yeah, yeah, cool. 00:03:30.479 --> 00:03:31.900 So they're all going to be familiar with that. 00:03:33.120 --> 00:03:37.159 We have you back so many times, because either 00:03:37.159 --> 00:03:41.280 musically or the Nub TV side of things, you are 00:03:41.280 --> 00:03:43.919 one very interesting guy, to be honest with you. 00:03:44.680 --> 00:03:48.699 But you're here today to talk about Nub TV, and 00:03:48.699 --> 00:03:52.219 I think you did a little thing a year or so back 00:03:52.219 --> 00:03:54.810 about Prince Charles and his interests. that. 00:03:55.409 --> 00:03:57.770 We are now talking about the Royal Family in 00:03:57.770 --> 00:04:00.610 general and looking at the promo you had Edward 00:04:00.610 --> 00:04:07.210 VIII on the on the promo. So I chuck it back 00:04:07.210 --> 00:04:10.289 at you. Tell us what this latest installment 00:04:10.289 --> 00:04:12.389 of NubTV is all about. Basically, yeah, we've 00:04:12.389 --> 00:04:14.449 made a film. It's a proper film. It's out on 00:04:14.449 --> 00:04:18.009 Amazon Prime free to watch for members. And basically, 00:04:18.009 --> 00:04:20.629 it's a documentary just going into the royal 00:04:20.629 --> 00:04:23.990 family's interest in the paranormal and UFOs. 00:04:24.189 --> 00:04:26.470 So it goes all the way back to Queen Victoria 00:04:26.470 --> 00:04:29.850 and the seances. Prince Albert had the first 00:04:29.850 --> 00:04:32.410 official UFO sighting. He wrote an entry in his 00:04:32.410 --> 00:04:35.529 diary about dazzling lights in the sky. Then 00:04:35.529 --> 00:04:37.850 we go through to Lord Mountbatten, who actually 00:04:37.850 --> 00:04:41.990 had an alleged UFO land at his Broadlands estate 00:04:41.990 --> 00:04:45.110 in Hampshire, which is quite a fantastic story. 00:04:45.170 --> 00:04:48.750 And then we also look at Prince Philip, his interest 00:04:48.750 --> 00:04:52.569 in UFOs and how that was done through his intermediary 00:04:52.569 --> 00:04:55.410 Sir Peter Horsley, who would go out and get the 00:04:55.410 --> 00:04:58.970 latest records of the sightings and update Prince 00:04:58.970 --> 00:05:00.930 Philip with it. And yeah, there's some amazing 00:05:00.930 --> 00:05:02.689 stories in there. So it's well worth a watch 00:05:02.689 --> 00:05:05.689 for your listeners. Well, that's quite interesting 00:05:05.689 --> 00:05:09.129 because the sorry, the the noise in the background 00:05:09.129 --> 00:05:11.269 didn't quite after Queen Victoria, who was the 00:05:11.269 --> 00:05:14.189 one that had the early UFO sighting? Prince Albert, 00:05:14.189 --> 00:05:17.689 her husband. OK, so we're going way back now. 00:05:18.269 --> 00:05:20.209 I think most people listening would have looked 00:05:20.209 --> 00:05:22.649 up to the sky at some point in their lives and 00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:28.540 even if it was a plane with the sun shining on 00:05:28.540 --> 00:05:31.399 it and you only see it looks like whatever everybody 00:05:31.399 --> 00:05:34.680 at some point I believe would have seen a UFO 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:39.199 because an unidentified flying object going back 00:05:39.199 --> 00:05:43.959 to Prince Albert's day there wasn't planes up 00:05:43.959 --> 00:05:49.079 in the sky Spaceships were going well there's 00:05:49.079 --> 00:05:51.500 rumors of spaceships quite a very long time ago 00:05:51.500 --> 00:05:54.060 which is fascinating but I might be digressing 00:05:54.060 --> 00:05:58.720 a bit. Clear facts that Albert saw UFO now that 00:05:58.720 --> 00:06:00.699 is absolutely intriguing me because there weren't 00:06:00.699 --> 00:06:03.100 planes up there. No no well he didn't know what 00:06:03.100 --> 00:06:06.779 it was it was enough had an impact on him to 00:06:06.779 --> 00:06:08.860 make it for him to make an uh you know an entry 00:06:08.860 --> 00:06:11.639 in his diary dazzling lights orbs in the sky 00:06:11.639 --> 00:06:14.819 I mean he didn't say I've just seen a UFO you 00:06:14.819 --> 00:06:18.060 know. because they didn't exist in terms of that 00:06:18.060 --> 00:06:19.819 terminology. But he saw something that had an 00:06:19.819 --> 00:06:22.279 impact on me and wrote it down unusual enough. 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:24.399 And don't forget, the night skies would have 00:06:24.399 --> 00:06:27.459 been a lot brighter then. Well, maybe not in 00:06:27.459 --> 00:06:33.779 smog rid in London. But yeah, so it's interesting. 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:36.639 Christopher Columbus, he had a UFO sighting as 00:06:36.639 --> 00:06:40.420 well, and which he made an entry in his ship's 00:06:40.420 --> 00:06:45.040 log. So UFOs are nothing new. And the Royal Family 00:06:45.240 --> 00:06:46.920 My whole point with this film is that the Royal 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:48.959 Family have taken them very, very seriously. 00:06:49.600 --> 00:06:51.199 I mean, the Royal Family are very incredible 00:06:51.199 --> 00:06:53.339 people, whether you like them or not, they're 00:06:53.339 --> 00:06:57.139 quite serious. And so, yeah, they're taking them 00:06:57.139 --> 00:07:00.000 seriously. So why can't we, I guess? That's the 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:02.959 whole question about the film. Yeah, well, I 00:07:02.959 --> 00:07:04.959 quite like the Royal Family. It is a good old 00:07:04.959 --> 00:07:07.060 tradition. And after all, I do have a surname, 00:07:07.259 --> 00:07:11.399 Prince, so I've got to really go. That's true. 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:16.790 Very good. We'll go back to the UFO bit in a 00:07:16.790 --> 00:07:21.089 moment and things. Queen Victoria and the seances. 00:07:22.449 --> 00:07:24.490 Tell us a bit more in depth about that. What 00:07:24.490 --> 00:07:27.129 was she actually trying to do by making contact 00:07:27.129 --> 00:07:30.449 with the other side? Could you digress a bit? 00:07:30.589 --> 00:07:32.889 Yeah, basically it was when her husband Prince 00:07:32.889 --> 00:07:37.970 Albert died. She was heartbroken. At the time, 00:07:38.069 --> 00:07:41.480 spiritualism was a big thing. in those days, 00:07:41.600 --> 00:07:43.980 and she heard about it and wanted to try and 00:07:43.980 --> 00:07:45.720 make contact with the dead husband, as simple 00:07:45.720 --> 00:07:49.279 as that really. She had seances with that in 00:07:49.279 --> 00:07:53.639 mind, but also it was a big fashion, big craze. 00:07:53.879 --> 00:07:55.720 You know, we've got TikTok now, crazes on there, 00:07:55.759 --> 00:07:58.680 but the craze at the time was seances in Victorian 00:07:58.680 --> 00:08:02.620 times. That's brilliant. And I do know, obviously 00:08:02.620 --> 00:08:05.560 you're quite right, how much Albert's death hit 00:08:05.560 --> 00:08:08.879 her, because she dressed in black for the rest 00:08:08.879 --> 00:08:14.990 of her life. Absolutely, yeah. Okay, let's get 00:08:14.990 --> 00:08:18.569 more into more, you know, more recent times. 00:08:18.850 --> 00:08:22.910 I did note we had Edward, a picture of Edward, 00:08:23.269 --> 00:08:25.389 or was it George VI? It was one of them, one 00:08:25.389 --> 00:08:29.430 of the more recent kings. Was it Edward, or was 00:08:29.430 --> 00:08:32.990 it George VI? It was George VI. That's the image 00:08:32.990 --> 00:08:36.960 you saw, yeah. Okay, so what was George VI's 00:08:36.960 --> 00:08:42.340 interest? No, it was more around his speech therapist, 00:08:43.120 --> 00:08:46.919 Lionel, what's his name, Lionel Logue, okay, 00:08:47.059 --> 00:08:50.679 and he was friends with this big spiritualist 00:08:50.679 --> 00:08:54.600 at the time, and basically there's a story in 00:08:54.600 --> 00:08:57.500 the film where Lillian Bailey, her name was, 00:08:57.559 --> 00:09:00.419 she was a kind of very famous psychic at the 00:09:00.419 --> 00:09:03.000 time. So anyway, and she was connected with the 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:07.259 royal spoils through line or speech therapists. 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:11.059 So basically she was blindfolded one day, taken 00:09:11.059 --> 00:09:14.440 in a royal car somewhere and ended up in Chelsea 00:09:14.440 --> 00:09:17.480 somewhere. And she was told to do just perform 00:09:17.480 --> 00:09:20.220 basically. So she did this all blindfolded, did 00:09:20.220 --> 00:09:22.559 a seance, contacted people, sent out messages. 00:09:22.820 --> 00:09:25.779 And then when she removed her blindfold at the 00:09:25.779 --> 00:09:28.620 end of the seance, there was the queen, queen 00:09:28.620 --> 00:09:32.659 mother. Prince Philip, Princess Alexandria, and 00:09:32.659 --> 00:09:35.500 there's a few other royals all just sat there 00:09:35.500 --> 00:09:37.940 watching this seance and getting these messages. 00:09:38.039 --> 00:09:41.940 So that was quite interesting. Obviously not 00:09:41.940 --> 00:09:45.480 many people know about that because, you know, 00:09:45.899 --> 00:09:48.000 the royals don't go public about this stuff. 00:09:48.240 --> 00:09:51.080 We have to find this information through people's 00:09:51.080 --> 00:09:53.759 archives being released. Like we found the story 00:09:53.759 --> 00:09:56.519 about Mount Baton and this craft flattening on 00:09:56.519 --> 00:09:59.519 his estate because there were documents in his 00:09:59.519 --> 00:10:02.840 archives that were released about 10 years ago. 00:10:03.899 --> 00:10:05.480 Oh yeah there's all these interesting bits that 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:07.679 come out and I just wondered what's in Prince 00:10:07.679 --> 00:10:11.679 Philip's records which have been sealed now for 00:10:11.679 --> 00:10:13.940 I don't know 90 years or something we can't get 00:10:13.940 --> 00:10:16.799 access to them. It's such a shame because he 00:10:16.799 --> 00:10:21.559 is was such a great guy in so many capacities 00:10:21.559 --> 00:10:24.220 you know whether it's putting his foot in it 00:10:24.220 --> 00:10:26.419 or whatever but now we're talking about a serious 00:10:26.419 --> 00:10:32.330 side of of UFOs and paranormal. It's such a shame 00:10:32.330 --> 00:10:34.529 that we can't get to actually read it and see 00:10:34.529 --> 00:10:37.610 it because that one interesting guy, his whole 00:10:37.610 --> 00:10:41.129 concept of it would be great just to know. Yeah, 00:10:41.350 --> 00:10:45.250 I mean there was a story that we found that he 00:10:45.250 --> 00:10:48.690 nearly met this supposed alien called Janus. 00:10:48.809 --> 00:10:51.789 in a flat in Kensington. Basically, Sir Peter 00:10:51.789 --> 00:10:55.049 Horsley, who was his private equity at the time, 00:10:55.570 --> 00:10:58.409 was meeting with his character called Janus and 00:10:58.409 --> 00:11:00.889 Peter Horsley thought, oh, you know, this could 00:11:00.889 --> 00:11:03.769 be an alien is communicating with me telepathically. 00:11:04.029 --> 00:11:06.909 And he's giving me these messages. And this Janus 00:11:06.909 --> 00:11:09.889 really wants to meet Prince Philip to pass on 00:11:09.889 --> 00:11:12.480 messages that Prince Philip. can help save the 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:14.899 world, save the planet and all this. So he was 00:11:14.899 --> 00:11:16.960 trying to organize this meeting. Luckily, Prince 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:19.559 Philip didn't go. Someone dissuaded him from 00:11:19.559 --> 00:11:22.700 attending because most likely Janus was a Russian 00:11:22.700 --> 00:11:26.000 spy. We all think of Prince Philip making gaffes 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:28.679 all the time. His one situation where he could 00:11:28.679 --> 00:11:31.460 have really kind of put the country in danger, 00:11:31.460 --> 00:11:33.879 I guess, and he decided not to go through with 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:36.799 it. I mean, that's a fascinating story. But Sir 00:11:36.799 --> 00:11:38.960 Peter Horsley, till his death, still thought 00:11:38.960 --> 00:11:43.139 Janus was an alien. 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He was a complete UFO 00:13:48.659 --> 00:13:51.659 skeptic until one of his police colleagues had 00:13:51.659 --> 00:13:54.519 this experience and it convinced John that there 00:13:54.519 --> 00:13:56.659 was something to it. So he used his investigative 00:13:56.659 --> 00:13:59.840 skills to look into the subject and he started 00:13:59.840 --> 00:14:02.519 writing books. Anyway, these books he started 00:14:02.519 --> 00:14:04.879 sending. I thought I'm going to send Prince Philip 00:14:04.879 --> 00:14:08.370 and the Queen these books. So he would even send 00:14:08.370 --> 00:14:10.990 his Haunted Skies books about UFOs to them and 00:14:10.990 --> 00:14:13.590 they really enjoyed them and he got letters back 00:14:13.590 --> 00:14:15.909 which he showed me and saying they were going 00:14:15.909 --> 00:14:18.950 to add these books to their paranormal and UFO 00:14:18.950 --> 00:14:21.750 library. So the Queen in principle, they've had 00:14:21.750 --> 00:14:25.710 their own library of all these weird books. I'm 00:14:25.710 --> 00:14:28.909 impressed. I want to go through the books, I 00:14:28.909 --> 00:14:32.210 tell you. Absolutely. The other story we found 00:14:32.210 --> 00:14:38.120 from Queen Elizabeth II was from an author called 00:14:38.120 --> 00:14:40.500 Colin Andrews. And he was down in Wiltshire, 00:14:40.519 --> 00:14:44.100 this is in the 1990s, with a Japanese film crew 00:14:44.100 --> 00:14:47.740 where a crop circle had just been made. And there'd 00:14:47.740 --> 00:14:49.919 been light seen around this crop circle being 00:14:49.919 --> 00:14:52.960 formed. And this Japanese film crew actually, 00:14:52.960 --> 00:14:54.899 I don't know how, but they got word that the 00:14:54.899 --> 00:14:56.620 queen was gonna come down and have a look at 00:14:56.620 --> 00:14:59.559 this. So this Rolls Royce turned up in the middle 00:14:59.559 --> 00:15:01.399 of the night, Colin Andrews saying, oh my gosh, 00:15:01.460 --> 00:15:03.759 it's the queen. And it actually wasn't the queen, 00:15:03.799 --> 00:15:06.679 but it was a... top scientific advisor that she 00:15:06.679 --> 00:15:09.500 had sent down on a mission to get information 00:15:09.500 --> 00:15:13.340 about this crop circle. It's a fascinating story, 00:15:13.379 --> 00:15:15.419 but they had to keep it secret because politically 00:15:15.419 --> 00:15:18.460 it could be embarrassing because, don't forget, 00:15:18.559 --> 00:15:20.960 the Ministry of Defence was saying, okay, there's 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:24.620 nothing out there, you know, it's just all made 00:15:24.620 --> 00:15:27.000 up stuff or misidentifications. But then the 00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:29.720 Royal Family, the head of state was saying, looking 00:15:29.720 --> 00:15:32.559 into this and taking it seriously. So they had 00:15:32.559 --> 00:15:34.750 to kind of keep quiet about it. Well, it would 00:15:34.750 --> 00:15:37.090 have been fantastic had the Queen just turned 00:15:37.090 --> 00:15:39.230 up and it was seen at some field in the middle 00:15:39.230 --> 00:15:42.289 of Wiltshire at 2am. It would have been wonderful. 00:15:42.590 --> 00:15:45.690 Why not? Yeah. Why not? Absolutely. I'm impressed 00:15:45.690 --> 00:15:48.649 that they're interested. It sort of hopefully 00:15:48.649 --> 00:15:54.330 gives people listening and their subjects. It 00:15:54.330 --> 00:15:57.429 makes it more acceptable to believe in these 00:15:57.429 --> 00:16:00.149 things if the Royal Family do. I personally think, 00:16:00.149 --> 00:16:03.940 you know. Perhaps a bit more acceptable, although 00:16:03.940 --> 00:16:06.460 we're in an age now where we know different planets 00:16:06.460 --> 00:16:10.120 exist. I think a lot of people now will accept 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:12.340 that somewhere in one of those universes out 00:16:12.340 --> 00:16:15.919 there, there has to be life. Life is plentiful, 00:16:16.179 --> 00:16:17.720 and my scientists would agree that it's going 00:16:17.720 --> 00:16:20.019 to be everywhere in the universe. The question 00:16:20.019 --> 00:16:22.419 is, because it's such a big place, obviously, 00:16:22.919 --> 00:16:25.019 how's intelligent life ever going to find us? 00:16:25.179 --> 00:16:28.779 We're like one speck of sand on a massive beach. 00:16:28.990 --> 00:16:31.590 So just finding that one speck of sand is going 00:16:31.590 --> 00:16:34.309 to be really, really difficult. But not impossible. 00:16:35.009 --> 00:16:37.149 And there's something unexplained in the skies, 00:16:37.250 --> 00:16:41.090 whether it's extraterrestrials, whether it's 00:16:41.090 --> 00:16:43.210 our technology that's been developed in secret, 00:16:43.450 --> 00:16:46.110 or whether it's something even far weirder. We 00:16:46.110 --> 00:16:47.330 don't know. There's definitely something there. 00:16:47.549 --> 00:16:49.850 And the Americans, they take it very, very seriously. 00:16:50.570 --> 00:16:52.429 Their Congress has got hearings. They've got 00:16:52.429 --> 00:16:55.230 decorated pilots given evidence under oath. We 00:16:55.230 --> 00:16:56.809 don't have any of that over here. And that's 00:16:56.759 --> 00:16:58.899 Part of this film's mission really is to think, 00:16:59.179 --> 00:17:01.259 look, the Royal Family took it seriously. They 00:17:01.259 --> 00:17:03.480 had an interest in it. Let's do the same. Let's 00:17:03.480 --> 00:17:06.119 crack on and find out what it is. Well, you are 00:17:06.119 --> 00:17:10.819 right about the Americans as well. In the late 00:17:10.819 --> 00:17:14.460 40s, don't forget, there was the film of the 00:17:14.460 --> 00:17:19.579 alien at Roswell. I mean, people said all sorts 00:17:19.579 --> 00:17:21.299 of things about that and they were taking and 00:17:21.299 --> 00:17:25.019 perhaps even taking animal parts out of the alien 00:17:25.019 --> 00:17:27.079 and things like that. But the point I'm making 00:17:27.079 --> 00:17:29.140 isn't whether we think that alien was right or 00:17:29.140 --> 00:17:31.000 if it's a fraudulent bit of film, whatever. The 00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:34.279 point is the Americans were trying to put it 00:17:34.279 --> 00:17:35.819 out there, the opposite to us, put it out there 00:17:35.819 --> 00:17:38.740 that there was this alien at Roswell, et cetera, 00:17:38.779 --> 00:17:40.980 et cetera. And that was like 40s as far as I 00:17:40.980 --> 00:17:44.819 know. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, yeah, 00:17:44.819 --> 00:17:47.480 they do. I mean, we've got our own Roswell. It's 00:17:47.480 --> 00:17:50.779 called Rendlesham. Rendlesham UFO of 1980 and 00:17:50.779 --> 00:17:53.259 this is what the Queen was very interested in 00:17:53.259 --> 00:17:55.420 and John Hanson the police guy I was telling 00:17:55.420 --> 00:17:58.440 you about he wrote several books about Rendlesham 00:17:58.440 --> 00:18:01.660 and basically Rendlesham was next to RAF Bentwaters 00:18:01.660 --> 00:18:05.559 in Suffolk in 1980s which was a basically a NATO 00:18:05.559 --> 00:18:09.819 base manned by American troops servicemen and 00:18:09.819 --> 00:18:12.059 they saw these strange lights and something land 00:18:12.059 --> 00:18:15.519 in Rendlesham Forest. Christmas weekend 1980 00:18:15.519 --> 00:18:17.640 and John wrote some books about this with the 00:18:17.640 --> 00:18:19.240 Colonel in charge of the base at the time and 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:22.140 the Queen loved these books. That's her own Roswell 00:18:22.140 --> 00:18:24.319 but no one knows about it and that's my next 00:18:24.319 --> 00:18:28.119 film is based on Mendelssohn, the British Roswell. 00:18:28.640 --> 00:18:31.059 I shall make sure you and I have a chat about 00:18:31.059 --> 00:18:34.339 that. Let's get up to, you know, right up today 00:18:34.339 --> 00:18:36.839 before we sort of remind people where they can 00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:41.759 watch the film. King Charles, now You did a thing 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:45.680 a little bit about him last year, recently anyway. 00:18:47.299 --> 00:18:50.920 Tell everybody about the present King's beliefs 00:18:50.920 --> 00:18:53.900 and what we're talking about as well. Yeah, I 00:18:53.900 --> 00:18:57.640 mean, there's less information about King Charles's 00:18:57.640 --> 00:19:01.380 beliefs, but there is a story that we had. A 00:19:01.380 --> 00:19:05.299 Canadian diver came forward and basically I interviewed 00:19:05.299 --> 00:19:08.430 him for about 10 hours basically. five different 00:19:08.430 --> 00:19:12.069 times and he gave all his details of this incident 00:19:12.069 --> 00:19:16.450 in 1975 in Canada in Nova Scotia and he claims 00:19:16.450 --> 00:19:20.529 Charles was one of three pilots in this UFO type 00:19:20.529 --> 00:19:24.250 craft and it sounds really really fluffed that 00:19:24.250 --> 00:19:28.549 King Charles has flown a UFO. I qualify it with 00:19:29.250 --> 00:19:31.849 most likely wasn't extraterrestrial. It was our 00:19:31.849 --> 00:19:33.829 technology for some sort of secret technology. 00:19:34.589 --> 00:19:36.849 It was a bit like a helicopter had dual rotor 00:19:36.849 --> 00:19:40.029 blades, but then it had a weird blue ionic flame 00:19:40.029 --> 00:19:42.589 coming from it and had a weird electromagnetic 00:19:42.589 --> 00:19:45.230 effect. And it would just basically stay in the 00:19:45.230 --> 00:19:48.410 sky over there, which is impossible. The blades 00:19:48.410 --> 00:19:51.410 were cut out and it would just hover there. So 00:19:51.410 --> 00:19:54.470 it was weird. It was an exotic technology that... 00:19:54.299 --> 00:19:57.660 allegedly Charles was one of the pilots so that's 00:19:57.660 --> 00:19:59.599 an interesting story and it's in the film so 00:19:59.599 --> 00:20:02.140 okay there's a couple of points that sort of 00:20:02.140 --> 00:20:04.420 I mean you mentioned the British Roswell which 00:20:04.420 --> 00:20:08.039 we talk about next time um in the in the 80s 00:20:08.039 --> 00:20:11.339 1980 whatever but I can remember on the news 00:20:11.339 --> 00:20:14.259 not Quite spot on what we're talking about because 00:20:14.259 --> 00:20:16.720 it sounds like in the UK they were trying to 00:20:16.720 --> 00:20:18.339 hush it up a bit Which is something you basically 00:20:18.339 --> 00:20:22.319 covered but I can remember BBC News and like 00:20:22.319 --> 00:20:25.779 in the late 70s 1978 time there's supposed to 00:20:25.779 --> 00:20:28.279 be in a UFO in the area when Jeanette Tate went 00:20:28.279 --> 00:20:32.700 missing I can recall going to New Zealand and 00:20:32.700 --> 00:20:34.680 there were the flashing lights just before Christmas 00:20:34.680 --> 00:20:39.589 1978 and It's clear on my mind still, I'm sure 00:20:39.589 --> 00:20:42.849 you know that part that I'm talking about. And 00:20:42.849 --> 00:20:46.109 BBC would, it was quite a thing for sightings 00:20:46.109 --> 00:20:49.349 to be reported on the main news at that time. 00:20:50.549 --> 00:20:53.170 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Another one of the 70s, the 00:20:53.170 --> 00:20:56.309 Broadhaven School in Wales, the school kids saw 00:20:56.309 --> 00:20:59.349 this, uh, craft land and aliens get out and the 00:20:59.349 --> 00:21:01.829 BBC reported on that as well. That was late 70s. 00:21:01.930 --> 00:21:07.859 So you are right. did a feature on the New Zealand 00:21:07.859 --> 00:21:09.819 Lights that you mentioned, it's a mysterious 00:21:09.819 --> 00:21:13.700 world program on ITV. So yeah, but it's really 00:21:13.700 --> 00:21:16.359 difficult now for the BBC to take, they won't 00:21:16.359 --> 00:21:18.460 do a UFO story. I mean, this is about the Royal 00:21:18.460 --> 00:21:22.539 Family, it's pretty interesting. Yes, yeah. I'm 00:21:22.539 --> 00:21:24.119 slightly sceptical. I've got a science degree 00:21:24.119 --> 00:21:26.839 for the record, so I'm not just some conspiracy 00:21:26.839 --> 00:21:31.740 nut from the internet. So, you know, it's quite 00:21:31.740 --> 00:21:34.400 a kind of down to earth, but they won't touch 00:21:34.400 --> 00:21:37.619 it because there's UFOs and they're crazy. Whereas 00:21:37.619 --> 00:21:39.579 in America, they don't have that. I'll get interviewed 00:21:39.579 --> 00:21:42.680 by Fox or whatever. I have no problem having 00:21:42.680 --> 00:21:45.799 an intelligent discussion about it. So there 00:21:45.799 --> 00:21:49.599 you go. Nick and Sue, if you're looking for the 00:21:49.599 --> 00:21:51.980 perfect gift either for yourself or for a fellow 00:21:51.980 --> 00:21:55.039 fan, you need to check out the Old Glory iconic 00:21:55.039 --> 00:21:57.720 music and sports store. They've been the gold 00:21:57.720 --> 00:22:01.279 standard for fan merch since 1969. 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But, you know, 00:23:25.069 --> 00:23:27.529 I think there's not going to be anybody sat at 00:23:27.529 --> 00:23:29.769 home thinking, even if you didn't have your science 00:23:29.769 --> 00:23:31.009 degree, I don't think anyone's going to be sitting 00:23:31.009 --> 00:23:33.569 at home thinking that we're a couple of cranks 00:23:33.569 --> 00:23:35.470 for actually having an in -depth conversation 00:23:35.470 --> 00:23:37.450 about it at all. The majority of people would 00:23:37.450 --> 00:23:39.769 be taking this very seriously and actually, you 00:23:39.769 --> 00:23:42.869 know, accepting it and learning from it. Yeah, 00:23:42.890 --> 00:23:44.950 I think you're right. I mean, I just just going 00:23:44.950 --> 00:23:47.269 out to places like restaurants and pubs and tell 00:23:47.269 --> 00:23:49.390 people say, what do you do? Oh, this is what 00:23:49.390 --> 00:23:51.650 I do. Oh, wow. That's amazing. I've had my own 00:23:51.650 --> 00:23:53.609 and everyone's got their own kind of experience, 00:23:53.789 --> 00:23:56.910 whether it be UFOs or the paranormal, everyone's 00:23:56.910 --> 00:23:59.289 had something and these are about to have normal 00:23:59.289 --> 00:24:03.470 people kind of out there. So it's a normal part 00:24:03.470 --> 00:24:06.400 of life, I think. Sure. Well, keeping up to date. 00:24:06.460 --> 00:24:08.359 I mean, Prince Charles, he might be being, or 00:24:08.359 --> 00:24:10.140 King Charles might be being hushed up. He is 00:24:10.140 --> 00:24:13.019 the sort of guy out of all the royals that does 00:24:13.019 --> 00:24:16.460 or has done in the past, let his opinions be 00:24:16.460 --> 00:24:19.960 known, especially about global warming and green 00:24:19.960 --> 00:24:23.920 issues and things like that. It'd be lovely if 00:24:23.920 --> 00:24:26.299 he could just come, you know, give his views 00:24:26.299 --> 00:24:29.200 on this as well, because people took him very 00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:31.019 seriously on the green issues and global warming. 00:24:31.140 --> 00:24:32.900 So why would they not take him seriously on this? 00:24:33.319 --> 00:24:38.029 So I hope. I think, you know, we can't actually 00:24:38.029 --> 00:24:41.289 rely on him, but he's the role that might actually... 00:24:41.289 --> 00:24:45.670 Yeah, absolutely. Best chance we've got. I think 00:24:45.670 --> 00:24:47.509 it was slightly easier when he was Prince because 00:24:47.509 --> 00:24:49.849 he could do a little bit more. Now it's a bit 00:24:49.849 --> 00:24:53.589 more politically difficult. But, you know, he's 00:24:53.589 --> 00:24:56.369 like, maybe coming towards the end of his life, 00:24:56.490 --> 00:24:59.890 no disrespect there. Maybe he'll want to address 00:24:59.890 --> 00:25:03.079 these issues. I have written to him. So, you 00:25:03.079 --> 00:25:06.940 know, asking for a possible talk sometime. So 00:25:06.940 --> 00:25:09.660 you never know. I know people who have written 00:25:09.660 --> 00:25:13.660 to him and he has responded. So I think it's 00:25:13.660 --> 00:25:15.720 an important issue. And I think as well that 00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:18.839 if there are, say, extraterrestrials visiting 00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:21.680 us and we are not alone in the universe, then 00:25:21.680 --> 00:25:24.180 it would have a profound impact on how we see 00:25:24.180 --> 00:25:26.759 ourselves in the world and in the universe. And 00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:28.940 as head of state and as head of the Church of 00:25:28.940 --> 00:25:32.259 England and, you know, head of all basically 00:25:32.259 --> 00:25:35.220 like to see himself as, you know, he has a role 00:25:35.220 --> 00:25:38.019 to play, I think. Absolutely fascinating. Hopefully 00:25:38.019 --> 00:25:41.339 it'd be nice to think that William has got the 00:25:41.339 --> 00:25:44.220 same interests, perhaps we say, and beliefs. 00:25:45.200 --> 00:25:47.980 Hopefully in our lifetime, that's something you'll 00:25:47.980 --> 00:25:50.720 be able to report on as well. Hopefully not too 00:25:50.720 --> 00:25:54.279 far in the future. Fascinating as always Mark. 00:25:55.119 --> 00:25:57.579 Let's do first of all we do social media any 00:25:57.579 --> 00:26:00.180 websites or Facebook or what anything you've 00:26:00.180 --> 00:26:02.400 got that people can look at and then we go on 00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:04.099 and tell people how they can what where they 00:26:04.099 --> 00:26:06.819 can watch your film. Okay I mean the best way 00:26:06.819 --> 00:26:10.579 to keep in touch with me is on Twitter or Instagram 00:26:10.579 --> 00:26:14.180 just go to the I'm the king of UFOs same title 00:26:14.180 --> 00:26:18.240 as the film that keeps it keeps it easy so just 00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:22.220 check out what I'm up to there and then If you 00:26:22.220 --> 00:26:25.539 want to watch the film, it's basically it's out 00:26:25.539 --> 00:26:28.500 on Amazon Prime, free to watch for Prime members, 00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:31.700 the king of UFOs. It's also a few other places 00:26:31.700 --> 00:26:36.079 as well. So, you know, please get in touch. Send 00:26:36.079 --> 00:26:40.220 me your UFO stories, your ghost stories. I like 00:26:40.220 --> 00:26:43.279 looking into them. Yeah, I must send you something 00:26:43.279 --> 00:26:44.859 because I do actually have real ghost stories 00:26:44.859 --> 00:26:48.519 from an old cinema I used to own many years ago. 00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:50.880 I must show that at you because it's absolutely 00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:53.559 interesting and my mother and some staff experienced 00:26:53.559 --> 00:26:57.000 it as well. Something we must do. I've got no 00:26:57.000 --> 00:26:58.920 problem coming on talking about it in the future 00:26:58.920 --> 00:27:01.920 if you need another ghost one. But anyway, Mark, 00:27:02.019 --> 00:27:05.440 it's always fascinating having a chat with you. 00:27:05.619 --> 00:27:07.819 And it just leads me to say again, I'm looking 00:27:07.819 --> 00:27:10.119 forward to next time already. But Mark Christopher 00:27:10.119 --> 00:27:12.440 Lee, thank you for coming back on to Chatterbox 00:27:12.440 --> 00:27:15.200 UK. Thanks. Thanks for having me. All the best. 00:27:15.500 --> 00:27:18.059 And to you, sir. You take care. Thank you. Thank 00:27:18.059 --> 00:27:25.660 you. Bye bye now. Bye. In the heart of Suffolk, 00:27:25.660 --> 00:27:29.019 England, lies a place shrouded in mystery and 00:27:29.019 --> 00:27:33.700 intrigue. Rendlesham Forest. It was here in December 00:27:33.700 --> 00:27:37.559 of 1980 that one of the most compelling UFO incidents 00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:42.000 in history unfolded. Witnessed by military personnel 00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:45.859 stationed at nearby RAF Bentwaters, strange lights 00:27:45.859 --> 00:27:48.640 danced across the night sky, illuminating the 00:27:48.640 --> 00:27:52.759 forest with an otherworldly glow. As brave men 00:27:52.759 --> 00:27:54.859 ventured into the woods to investigate these 00:27:54.859 --> 00:27:57.339 phenomena, they encountered not just lights, 00:27:57.549 --> 00:27:59.710 but an experience that would challenge their 00:27:59.710 --> 00:28:05.589 understanding of reality itself. But what if 00:28:05.589 --> 00:28:08.170 these events were not confined to a single night? 00:28:08.849 --> 00:28:11.549 What if Rendlesham Forest holds secrets that 00:28:11.549 --> 00:28:16.289 extend far beyond that fateful December? We had 00:28:16.289 --> 00:28:20.170 summoned a UFO. Not a star. It wasn't a moving 00:28:20.170 --> 00:28:22.950 star. It was actually up close. I could see the 00:28:22.950 --> 00:28:26.289 details of the craft. She was actually instructed 00:28:26.289 --> 00:28:30.369 to stop talking to me, and she was told it was 00:28:30.369 --> 00:28:33.029 classified. It's not the first time I've come 00:28:33.029 --> 00:28:36.150 across cover -ups. And there was a flash of blinding 00:28:36.150 --> 00:28:39.269 light, and then the appearance of a perimedical 00:28:39.269 --> 00:28:43.609 -shaped object. It made no sound. And as I got 00:28:43.609 --> 00:28:47.210 nearer and nearer and got under it, it gone. 00:28:48.670 --> 00:28:52.009 In this film, we embark on an extraordinary journey 00:28:52.009 --> 00:28:55.119 back to the site where history was made. exploring 00:28:55.119 --> 00:29:00.880 not only its storied past, but also its present, 00:29:01.299 --> 00:29:03.519 a place where strange sounds echo through the 00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:06.220 trees and shadows flick just beyond our vision. 00:29:06.380 --> 00:29:10.059 We will also look into the CE5 process, close 00:29:10.059 --> 00:29:12.779 encounters of the fifth kind, which claim that 00:29:12.779 --> 00:29:17.420 through meditation you can manifest orbs and 00:29:17.420 --> 00:29:21.420 even UFOs. Could our investigation reveal answers 00:29:21.420 --> 00:29:23.740 that change how humanity perceives its place 00:29:23.740 --> 00:29:26.380 in the cosmos? Or will we find ourselves lost 00:29:26.380 --> 00:29:29.599 among legends and folklore? One thing is certain. 00:29:30.160 --> 00:29:33.259 What lies ahead may redefine our understanding 00:29:33.259 --> 00:30:23.460 of existence itself. You've been listening to 00:30:23.460 --> 00:30:25.880 the Chatterbox Redux podcast with Sue and Nick 00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:28.960 and today our special guest was Mark Christopher 00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:32.460 Lee of NubTV. 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