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us now on this riveting journey as we explore
the British royal family's unique fascination
with the unknown. The royal family has been interested
in UFOs for decades. This was always a matter
of extreme sensitivity. Documents going way back
to the 50s. The Queen sent scientific advisors
to crop circles. They know more about it. They
want to find out more. Of course there's life
somewhere else. And the Royal Family, believe
it! Do you think the technology US pilots are
seeing now in the skies could be linked to what
Charles was flying? This will leak and it will
cause quite a scandal. There were dome -like
projections around each of the pilots. Charles
and his engineering crew were familiar with the
craft. So many exciting reports. What are they
here for? What's Charles going to respond to?
Their interest is based on factual knowledge
that they've been able to get access to that
we don't. We'll alarm people. By God, these things
are dangerous. It's a bit like a Pandora's box.
If we took the lid off and looked inside, we'd
never be the same again. And now on Chatterbox
UK, we're just lucky enough to welcome back,
for the un -teamed time, I think, Mark Christopher
Lee. Mark, welcome back. How are you, sir? Yeah,
very well. Thank you for having me back. Hopefully
I'll make sense. Always a pleasure. Well, by
now, when the show goes out, they'll have all
heard your little trailer. Oh, yeah, yeah, cool.
So they're all going to be familiar with that.
We have you back so many times, because either
musically or the Nub TV side of things, you are
one very interesting guy, to be honest with you.
But you're here today to talk about Nub TV, and
I think you did a little thing a year or so back
about Prince Charles and his interests. that.
We are now talking about the Royal Family in
general and looking at the promo you had Edward
VIII on the on the promo. So I chuck it back
at you. Tell us what this latest installment
of NubTV is all about. Basically, yeah, we've
made a film. It's a proper film. It's out on
Amazon Prime free to watch for members. And basically,
it's a documentary just going into the royal
family's interest in the paranormal and UFOs.
So it goes all the way back to Queen Victoria
and the seances. Prince Albert had the first
official UFO sighting. He wrote an entry in his
diary about dazzling lights in the sky. Then
we go through to Lord Mountbatten, who actually
had an alleged UFO land at his Broadlands estate
in Hampshire, which is quite a fantastic story.
And then we also look at Prince Philip, his interest
in UFOs and how that was done through his intermediary
Sir Peter Horsley, who would go out and get the
latest records of the sightings and update Prince
Philip with it. And yeah, there's some amazing
stories in there. So it's well worth a watch
for your listeners. Well, that's quite interesting
because the sorry, the the noise in the background
didn't quite after Queen Victoria, who was the
one that had the early UFO sighting? Prince Albert,
her husband. OK, so we're going way back now.
I think most people listening would have looked
up to the sky at some point in their lives and
even if it was a plane with the sun shining on
it and you only see it looks like whatever everybody
at some point I believe would have seen a UFO
because an unidentified flying object going back
to Prince Albert's day there wasn't planes up
in the sky Spaceships were going well there's
rumors of spaceships quite a very long time ago
which is fascinating but I might be digressing
a bit. Clear facts that Albert saw UFO now that
is absolutely intriguing me because there weren't
planes up there. No no well he didn't know what
it was it was enough had an impact on him to
make it for him to make an uh you know an entry
in his diary dazzling lights orbs in the sky
I mean he didn't say I've just seen a UFO you
know. because they didn't exist in terms of that
terminology. But he saw something that had an
impact on me and wrote it down unusual enough.
And don't forget, the night skies would have
been a lot brighter then. Well, maybe not in
smog rid in London. But yeah, so it's interesting.
Christopher Columbus, he had a UFO sighting as
well, and which he made an entry in his ship's
log. So UFOs are nothing new. And the Royal Family
My whole point with this film is that the Royal
Family have taken them very, very seriously.
I mean, the Royal Family are very incredible
people, whether you like them or not, they're
quite serious. And so, yeah, they're taking them
seriously. So why can't we, I guess? That's the
whole question about the film. Yeah, well, I
quite like the Royal Family. It is a good old
tradition. And after all, I do have a surname,
Prince, so I've got to really go. That's true.
Very good. We'll go back to the UFO bit in a
moment and things. Queen Victoria and the seances.
Tell us a bit more in depth about that. What
was she actually trying to do by making contact
with the other side? Could you digress a bit?
Yeah, basically it was when her husband Prince
Albert died. She was heartbroken. At the time,
spiritualism was a big thing. in those days,
and she heard about it and wanted to try and
make contact with the dead husband, as simple
as that really. She had seances with that in
mind, but also it was a big fashion, big craze.
You know, we've got TikTok now, crazes on there,
but the craze at the time was seances in Victorian
times. That's brilliant. And I do know, obviously
you're quite right, how much Albert's death hit
her, because she dressed in black for the rest
of her life. Absolutely, yeah. Okay, let's get
more into more, you know, more recent times.
I did note we had Edward, a picture of Edward,
or was it George VI? It was one of them, one
of the more recent kings. Was it Edward, or was
it George VI? It was George VI. That's the image
you saw, yeah. Okay, so what was George VI's
interest? No, it was more around his speech therapist,
Lionel, what's his name, Lionel Logue, okay,
and he was friends with this big spiritualist
at the time, and basically there's a story in
the film where Lillian Bailey, her name was,
she was a kind of very famous psychic at the
time. So anyway, and she was connected with the
royal spoils through line or speech therapists.
So basically she was blindfolded one day, taken
in a royal car somewhere and ended up in Chelsea
somewhere. And she was told to do just perform
basically. So she did this all blindfolded, did
a seance, contacted people, sent out messages.
And then when she removed her blindfold at the
end of the seance, there was the queen, queen
mother. Prince Philip, Princess Alexandria, and
there's a few other royals all just sat there
watching this seance and getting these messages.
So that was quite interesting. Obviously not
many people know about that because, you know,
the royals don't go public about this stuff.
We have to find this information through people's
archives being released. Like we found the story
about Mount Baton and this craft flattening on
his estate because there were documents in his
archives that were released about 10 years ago.
Oh yeah there's all these interesting bits that
come out and I just wondered what's in Prince
Philip's records which have been sealed now for
I don't know 90 years or something we can't get
access to them. It's such a shame because he
is was such a great guy in so many capacities
you know whether it's putting his foot in it
or whatever but now we're talking about a serious
side of of UFOs and paranormal. It's such a shame
that we can't get to actually read it and see
it because that one interesting guy, his whole
concept of it would be great just to know. Yeah,
I mean there was a story that we found that he
nearly met this supposed alien called Janus.
in a flat in Kensington. Basically, Sir Peter
Horsley, who was his private equity at the time,
was meeting with his character called Janus and
Peter Horsley thought, oh, you know, this could
be an alien is communicating with me telepathically.
And he's giving me these messages. And this Janus
really wants to meet Prince Philip to pass on
messages that Prince Philip. can help save the
world, save the planet and all this. So he was
trying to organize this meeting. Luckily, Prince
Philip didn't go. Someone dissuaded him from
attending because most likely Janus was a Russian
spy. We all think of Prince Philip making gaffes
all the time. His one situation where he could
have really kind of put the country in danger,
I guess, and he decided not to go through with
it. I mean, that's a fascinating story. But Sir
Peter Horsley, till his death, still thought
Janus was an alien. Okay, and that's all in this
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Just out of interest, we mentioned Jaws 6 and
that, but how in depth can we look at the late
Queen Elizabeth II's belief in the subject? I
mean, how far did that go? Yeah, I mean, I was
lucky enough to meet retired CID officer John
Hanson and he has a UFO archive in Stratford
-upon -Avon. Amazing guy. He was a complete UFO
skeptic until one of his police colleagues had
this experience and it convinced John that there
was something to it. So he used his investigative
skills to look into the subject and he started
writing books. Anyway, these books he started
sending. I thought I'm going to send Prince Philip
and the Queen these books. So he would even send
his Haunted Skies books about UFOs to them and
they really enjoyed them and he got letters back
which he showed me and saying they were going
to add these books to their paranormal and UFO
library. So the Queen in principle, they've had
their own library of all these weird books. I'm
impressed. I want to go through the books, I
tell you. Absolutely. The other story we found
from Queen Elizabeth II was from an author called
Colin Andrews. And he was down in Wiltshire,
this is in the 1990s, with a Japanese film crew
where a crop circle had just been made. And there'd
been light seen around this crop circle being
formed. And this Japanese film crew actually,
I don't know how, but they got word that the
queen was gonna come down and have a look at
this. So this Rolls Royce turned up in the middle
of the night, Colin Andrews saying, oh my gosh,
it's the queen. And it actually wasn't the queen,
but it was a... top scientific advisor that she
had sent down on a mission to get information
about this crop circle. It's a fascinating story,
but they had to keep it secret because politically
it could be embarrassing because, don't forget,
the Ministry of Defence was saying, okay, there's
nothing out there, you know, it's just all made
up stuff or misidentifications. But then the
Royal Family, the head of state was saying, looking
into this and taking it seriously. So they had
to kind of keep quiet about it. Well, it would
have been fantastic had the Queen just turned
up and it was seen at some field in the middle
of Wiltshire at 2am. It would have been wonderful.
Why not? Yeah. Why not? Absolutely. I'm impressed
that they're interested. It sort of hopefully
gives people listening and their subjects. It
makes it more acceptable to believe in these
things if the Royal Family do. I personally think,
you know. Perhaps a bit more acceptable, although
we're in an age now where we know different planets
exist. I think a lot of people now will accept
that somewhere in one of those universes out
there, there has to be life. Life is plentiful,
and my scientists would agree that it's going
to be everywhere in the universe. The question
is, because it's such a big place, obviously,
how's intelligent life ever going to find us?
We're like one speck of sand on a massive beach.
So just finding that one speck of sand is going
to be really, really difficult. But not impossible.
And there's something unexplained in the skies,
whether it's extraterrestrials, whether it's
our technology that's been developed in secret,
or whether it's something even far weirder. We
don't know. There's definitely something there.
And the Americans, they take it very, very seriously.
Their Congress has got hearings. They've got
decorated pilots given evidence under oath. We
don't have any of that over here. And that's
Part of this film's mission really is to think,
look, the Royal Family took it seriously. They
had an interest in it. Let's do the same. Let's
crack on and find out what it is. Well, you are
right about the Americans as well. In the late
40s, don't forget, there was the film of the
alien at Roswell. I mean, people said all sorts
of things about that and they were taking and
perhaps even taking animal parts out of the alien
and things like that. But the point I'm making
isn't whether we think that alien was right or
if it's a fraudulent bit of film, whatever. The
point is the Americans were trying to put it
out there, the opposite to us, put it out there
that there was this alien at Roswell, et cetera,
et cetera. And that was like 40s as far as I
know. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, yeah,
they do. I mean, we've got our own Roswell. It's
called Rendlesham. Rendlesham UFO of 1980 and
this is what the Queen was very interested in
and John Hanson the police guy I was telling
you about he wrote several books about Rendlesham
and basically Rendlesham was next to RAF Bentwaters
in Suffolk in 1980s which was a basically a NATO
base manned by American troops servicemen and
they saw these strange lights and something land
in Rendlesham Forest. Christmas weekend 1980
and John wrote some books about this with the
Colonel in charge of the base at the time and
the Queen loved these books. That's her own Roswell
but no one knows about it and that's my next
film is based on Mendelssohn, the British Roswell.
I shall make sure you and I have a chat about
that. Let's get up to, you know, right up today
before we sort of remind people where they can
watch the film. King Charles, now You did a thing
a little bit about him last year, recently anyway.
Tell everybody about the present King's beliefs
and what we're talking about as well. Yeah, I
mean, there's less information about King Charles's
beliefs, but there is a story that we had. A
Canadian diver came forward and basically I interviewed
him for about 10 hours basically. five different
times and he gave all his details of this incident
in 1975 in Canada in Nova Scotia and he claims
Charles was one of three pilots in this UFO type
craft and it sounds really really fluffed that
King Charles has flown a UFO. I qualify it with
most likely wasn't extraterrestrial. It was our
technology for some sort of secret technology.
It was a bit like a helicopter had dual rotor
blades, but then it had a weird blue ionic flame
coming from it and had a weird electromagnetic
effect. And it would just basically stay in the
sky over there, which is impossible. The blades
were cut out and it would just hover there. So
it was weird. It was an exotic technology that...
allegedly Charles was one of the pilots so that's
an interesting story and it's in the film so
okay there's a couple of points that sort of
I mean you mentioned the British Roswell which
we talk about next time um in the in the 80s
1980 whatever but I can remember on the news
not Quite spot on what we're talking about because
it sounds like in the UK they were trying to
hush it up a bit Which is something you basically
covered but I can remember BBC News and like
in the late 70s 1978 time there's supposed to
be in a UFO in the area when Jeanette Tate went
missing I can recall going to New Zealand and
there were the flashing lights just before Christmas
1978 and It's clear on my mind still, I'm sure
you know that part that I'm talking about. And
BBC would, it was quite a thing for sightings
to be reported on the main news at that time.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Another one of the 70s, the
Broadhaven School in Wales, the school kids saw
this, uh, craft land and aliens get out and the
BBC reported on that as well. That was late 70s.
So you are right. did a feature on the New Zealand
Lights that you mentioned, it's a mysterious
world program on ITV. So yeah, but it's really
difficult now for the BBC to take, they won't
do a UFO story. I mean, this is about the Royal
Family, it's pretty interesting. Yes, yeah. I'm
slightly sceptical. I've got a science degree
for the record, so I'm not just some conspiracy
nut from the internet. So, you know, it's quite
a kind of down to earth, but they won't touch
it because there's UFOs and they're crazy. Whereas
in America, they don't have that. I'll get interviewed
by Fox or whatever. I have no problem having
an intelligent discussion about it. So there
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your true colours. Unfortunately we do have you
to do these films and come on and have chats
about the stuff, so it's all good in it. It's
making it credible because although the BBC won't
do it for... was acceptable, allegedly, being
the public broadcaster, we say. But, you know,
I think there's not going to be anybody sat at
home thinking, even if you didn't have your science
degree, I don't think anyone's going to be sitting
at home thinking that we're a couple of cranks
for actually having an in -depth conversation
about it at all. The majority of people would
be taking this very seriously and actually, you
know, accepting it and learning from it. Yeah,
I think you're right. I mean, I just just going
out to places like restaurants and pubs and tell
people say, what do you do? Oh, this is what
I do. Oh, wow. That's amazing. I've had my own
and everyone's got their own kind of experience,
whether it be UFOs or the paranormal, everyone's
had something and these are about to have normal
people kind of out there. So it's a normal part
of life, I think. Sure. Well, keeping up to date.
I mean, Prince Charles, he might be being, or
King Charles might be being hushed up. He is
the sort of guy out of all the royals that does
or has done in the past, let his opinions be
known, especially about global warming and green
issues and things like that. It'd be lovely if
he could just come, you know, give his views
on this as well, because people took him very
seriously on the green issues and global warming.
So why would they not take him seriously on this?
So I hope. I think, you know, we can't actually
rely on him, but he's the role that might actually...
Yeah, absolutely. Best chance we've got. I think
it was slightly easier when he was Prince because
he could do a little bit more. Now it's a bit
more politically difficult. But, you know, he's
like, maybe coming towards the end of his life,
no disrespect there. Maybe he'll want to address
these issues. I have written to him. So, you
know, asking for a possible talk sometime. So
you never know. I know people who have written
to him and he has responded. So I think it's
an important issue. And I think as well that
if there are, say, extraterrestrials visiting
us and we are not alone in the universe, then
it would have a profound impact on how we see
ourselves in the world and in the universe. And
as head of state and as head of the Church of
England and, you know, head of all basically
like to see himself as, you know, he has a role
to play, I think. Absolutely fascinating. Hopefully
it'd be nice to think that William has got the
same interests, perhaps we say, and beliefs.
Hopefully in our lifetime, that's something you'll
be able to report on as well. Hopefully not too
far in the future. Fascinating as always Mark.
Let's do first of all we do social media any
websites or Facebook or what anything you've
got that people can look at and then we go on
and tell people how they can what where they
can watch your film. Okay I mean the best way
to keep in touch with me is on Twitter or Instagram
just go to the I'm the king of UFOs same title
as the film that keeps it keeps it easy so just
check out what I'm up to there and then If you
want to watch the film, it's basically it's out
on Amazon Prime, free to watch for Prime members,
the king of UFOs. It's also a few other places
as well. So, you know, please get in touch. Send
me your UFO stories, your ghost stories. I like
looking into them. Yeah, I must send you something
because I do actually have real ghost stories
from an old cinema I used to own many years ago.
I must show that at you because it's absolutely
interesting and my mother and some staff experienced
it as well. Something we must do. I've got no
problem coming on talking about it in the future
if you need another ghost one. But anyway, Mark,
it's always fascinating having a chat with you.
And it just leads me to say again, I'm looking
forward to next time already. But Mark Christopher
Lee, thank you for coming back on to Chatterbox
UK. Thanks. Thanks for having me. All the best.
And to you, sir. You take care. Thank you. Thank
you. Bye bye now. Bye. In the heart of Suffolk,
England, lies a place shrouded in mystery and
intrigue. Rendlesham Forest. It was here in December
of 1980 that one of the most compelling UFO incidents
in history unfolded. Witnessed by military personnel
stationed at nearby RAF Bentwaters, strange lights
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-shaped object. It made no sound. And as I got
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In this film, we embark on an extraordinary journey
back to the site where history was made. exploring
not only its storied past, but also its present,
a place where strange sounds echo through the
trees and shadows flick just beyond our vision.
We will also look into the CE5 process, close
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even UFOs. Could our investigation reveal answers
that change how humanity perceives its place
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among legends and folklore? One thing is certain.
What lies ahead may redefine our understanding
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