WEBVTT 00:00:01.190 --> 00:00:03.750 Nick and Sue. This edition of the Chatterbox 00:00:03.750 --> 00:00:06.150 Redux podcast is brought to you in association 00:00:06.150 --> 00:00:09.210 with the Old Glory iconic music and sports superstore. 00:00:09.490 --> 00:00:16.649 More from them in a bit. Chatterbox. When the 00:00:16.649 --> 00:00:30.420 stars talk, they talk to Nick and Sue. Welcome 00:00:30.420 --> 00:00:32.960 back to the Chatterbox Redux podcast with Sue 00:00:32.960 --> 00:00:35.560 and Nick and today our special guest is Andy 00:00:35.560 --> 00:01:12.150 Kiriakou of Modern Romance. This is Nick and 00:01:12.150 --> 00:01:15.150 Sue with Chatterbox giving you all you need to 00:01:15.150 --> 00:01:39.120 know about music. Mike Pender, welcome to Chatterbox 00:01:39.120 --> 00:01:42.019 UK. How are you? Well, I'm fine. Just finding 00:01:42.019 --> 00:01:45.239 things to do. I'm still learning how to play 00:01:45.239 --> 00:01:48.620 the guitar. Well, you can always sing a bit. 00:01:48.719 --> 00:01:51.420 That came in quite handy for the last almost 00:01:51.420 --> 00:01:55.099 60 years, so... Very good answer, Mike. Do you 00:01:55.099 --> 00:01:59.000 write new material, or was it just the old stuff 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:02.840 these days? Well, I mean, talking about writing 00:02:02.840 --> 00:02:08.159 material, I mean, I gave up that years ago. any 00:02:08.159 --> 00:02:11.340 good there's any way I mean in the 60s and 70s 00:02:11.340 --> 00:02:16.840 we did try to write music and find our way because 00:02:16.840 --> 00:02:18.460 obviously that's what happens when you're being 00:02:18.460 --> 00:02:21.759 big at one time and as the years go by you do 00:02:21.759 --> 00:02:24.120 have to start writing your own material instead 00:02:24.120 --> 00:02:25.960 of depending on other people to write something 00:02:25.960 --> 00:02:28.879 and I've always been a performer to this day 00:02:28.879 --> 00:02:33.879 and the show that I have been doing down was 00:02:33.879 --> 00:02:37.520 sensational 60s and I've been doing that three 00:02:37.520 --> 00:02:40.360 years yeah yeah hopefully it's gonna start again 00:02:40.360 --> 00:02:43.439 mike we can take these surges back to like 1959 00:02:43.439 --> 00:02:45.300 somewhere around there but what i want to do 00:02:45.300 --> 00:02:48.759 is take uh mike pender the uh say the nipper 00:02:48.759 --> 00:02:51.539 uh when when you were a kid uh what did you come 00:02:51.539 --> 00:02:55.039 from a musical home or what inspired you to to 00:02:55.039 --> 00:02:58.580 start singing play the guitar etc what right 00:02:58.580 --> 00:03:02.139 back when we were sorting the kiddy witties yeah 00:03:02.139 --> 00:03:07.680 yeah so well i mean Thinking back to those times. 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:10.099 There wasn't much to do actually go to school 00:03:10.099 --> 00:03:17.699 come home Play outside around the local gas lamp 00:03:17.699 --> 00:03:23.560 And then of course lots of things yeah, I remember 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:27.960 I used to collect American comics I had a good 00:03:27.960 --> 00:03:33.400 then so collecting train spotting lots of things 00:03:33.400 --> 00:03:36.650 and then You know, I suddenly swapped my collection 00:03:36.650 --> 00:03:42.650 of comics for an old acoustic guitar. I've probably 00:03:42.650 --> 00:03:45.770 told this story before, but we'll tell it again. 00:03:48.069 --> 00:03:51.650 I swapped my collection for an acoustic guitar, 00:03:51.930 --> 00:03:55.250 just wanted to learn how to play. Sat in my mother's 00:03:55.250 --> 00:04:01.110 front room in my little hometown. Many was the 00:04:01.110 --> 00:04:03.389 time I sort of threw the thing away and said, 00:04:03.469 --> 00:04:06.110 I'll never be able to learn this. Um, but you 00:04:06.110 --> 00:04:09.069 know, I stuck at it and like it, you know, lots 00:04:09.069 --> 00:04:11.789 of other guys do at the time. You stick at it 00:04:11.789 --> 00:04:13.990 and you learn how to play. And that's what happened. 00:04:14.349 --> 00:04:15.930 And so that would have been, I would have been 00:04:15.930 --> 00:04:20.050 about 15, 16 years old. Um, just about leaving 00:04:20.050 --> 00:04:25.209 school. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, of course in those 00:04:25.209 --> 00:04:31.599 sort of 19, I left school. He was 19, 1956. And 00:04:31.599 --> 00:04:36.199 of course, you know, I was Western cowboy, American 00:04:36.199 --> 00:04:40.560 cowboy man. As a kid I wanted to be a cowboy. 00:04:40.899 --> 00:04:43.000 Yeah, I know what's coming next. You're going 00:04:43.000 --> 00:04:44.600 to answer my next question. Yeah, brilliant. 00:04:45.860 --> 00:04:50.699 And then, you know, we started to sort of look 00:04:50.699 --> 00:04:52.800 around and find other people who played guitar. 00:04:53.079 --> 00:04:55.899 We found John McNally who lived not far from 00:04:55.899 --> 00:04:59.089 me and we started to get together. and we formed 00:04:59.089 --> 00:05:03.629 a little group and we were, you know, like probably 00:05:03.629 --> 00:05:05.709 the way other people at the same time, obviously, 00:05:05.970 --> 00:05:09.089 like Leonard McCartney and Jerry Morrison and 00:05:09.089 --> 00:05:10.790 people like that, they were all pro-, I didn't 00:05:10.790 --> 00:05:12.949 know them at the time, of course. It was only 00:05:12.949 --> 00:05:16.370 later that we all met up with each other in places 00:05:16.370 --> 00:05:18.129 like the Cavern and the Iron Door and the Rookies. 00:05:18.870 --> 00:05:22.089 1957 I went to see a movie called The Searchers, 00:05:22.389 --> 00:05:27.970 John Wayne. From the thrilling pages of life 00:05:27.970 --> 00:05:31.569 rides a man you must fear and respect. A man 00:05:31.569 --> 00:05:34.470 whose unconquerable will and boundless determination 00:05:34.470 --> 00:05:37.870 carved a lusty, rough and boisterous slice of 00:05:37.870 --> 00:05:45.569 history called The Searchers. It's John Wayne 00:05:45.569 --> 00:05:49.029 as Ethan Edwards, who had a rare kind of courage. 00:05:49.670 --> 00:05:52.670 The courage that simply keeps on and on, far 00:05:52.670 --> 00:05:55.339 beyond all reasonable endurance. Never thinking 00:05:55.339 --> 00:05:58.220 of himself as martyred, never thinking of himself 00:05:58.220 --> 00:06:01.600 as brave. So we'll find him in the end, I promise 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:05.839 you. We'll find him. Here is the story of a man, 00:06:06.420 --> 00:06:10.079 hard and relentless, tender and passionate, of 00:06:10.079 --> 00:06:12.540 people who dared to challenge a hostile land. 00:06:13.360 --> 00:06:16.120 Here is drama of great love and aching loneliness. 00:06:17.100 --> 00:06:21.540 I found him. I found Lucy. What you saw was a 00:06:21.540 --> 00:06:26.699 buck wearing Lucy's dress. I found Lucy back 00:06:26.699 --> 00:06:30.420 in the canyon. What was she... What do you want 00:06:30.420 --> 00:06:34.759 me to do? Draw your picture? Spell it out? Don't 00:06:34.759 --> 00:06:37.680 ever ask me. As long as you live, don't ever 00:06:37.680 --> 00:06:40.920 ask me more. And if you don't hear my first holler, 00:06:41.899 --> 00:06:43.860 you better read my mind, because I don't aim 00:06:43.860 --> 00:06:46.699 to raise no two hollers on any subject at hand. 00:06:47.079 --> 00:06:51.899 Yes, sir. Boy! Watch that knife! Go, Martin, 00:06:51.939 --> 00:06:56.620 please! Stand aside, Martin. No, you don't, Ethan. 00:06:58.139 --> 00:07:14.420 Ethan, no, you don't! Stand aside. Looks like 00:07:14.420 --> 00:07:17.680 you've got yourself surrounded. Yeah, and I figure 00:07:17.680 --> 00:08:07.569 on getting myself unsurrounded. Let's go! And 00:08:07.569 --> 00:08:10.709 as people well know by now, that's where we took 00:08:10.709 --> 00:08:14.629 the name from. And we messed around in Liverpool 00:08:14.629 --> 00:08:18.389 trying to sort of form ourselves into a real 00:08:18.389 --> 00:08:24.750 good combo, as it were. And we sort of made the 00:08:24.750 --> 00:08:28.889 grade and the rest is history. Well, basically, 00:08:29.149 --> 00:08:31.829 yeah, I mean, there's a few little steps you 00:08:31.829 --> 00:08:36.610 took, because I understand the searchers in their 00:08:36.610 --> 00:08:39.129 early days was actually a skiffle group. Yes, 00:08:39.230 --> 00:08:43.129 this is one of those things that you get with 00:08:43.129 --> 00:08:45.169 lots of people in show business, you know, you 00:08:45.169 --> 00:08:48.809 get the noise that are bandied around. I mean, 00:08:49.470 --> 00:08:52.549 I think John was into skiffle before I met him, 00:08:52.889 --> 00:08:55.389 but I was never into skiffle. I was country and 00:08:55.389 --> 00:08:59.230 western. Sure, OK. to people like Jimmy Rogers 00:08:59.230 --> 00:09:03.009 and Carl Perkins and people like that. Hank Williams, 00:09:04.009 --> 00:09:05.889 you know, that was the kind of music I listened 00:09:05.889 --> 00:09:08.929 to. So, you know, it wasn't the Lonnie Donegan 00:09:08.929 --> 00:09:11.490 thing that got me sort of started and got me, 00:09:11.710 --> 00:09:14.690 it didn't influence me at all. The main influence 00:09:14.690 --> 00:09:19.769 for me would arrive around about 1958. I remember 00:09:19.769 --> 00:09:22.809 going to see Buddy Holly and the Critics in Liverpool. 00:09:24.049 --> 00:09:27.820 20th of March, 1958, I remember the date. Well 00:09:27.820 --> 00:09:34.519 done! That night really lived with me forever, 00:09:35.799 --> 00:09:42.419 really. I always remember coming out and catching 00:09:42.419 --> 00:09:44.200 the bus home thinking, that's what I want to 00:09:44.200 --> 00:09:47.679 do, that's what I want to be. Buddy Holly was 00:09:47.679 --> 00:09:50.940 absolutely fantastic. And of course we all know 00:09:50.940 --> 00:09:54.830 about Buddy Holly. He was fantastic, I just died 00:09:54.830 --> 00:09:58.470 so young. What do you think of that little trio? 00:10:00.409 --> 00:10:03.990 Ruddy and the other two guys, and I've got none 00:10:03.990 --> 00:10:05.730 of the other guys' names. Yes, that's right, 00:10:05.870 --> 00:10:08.129 yeah. Well, I met the actual group, the Crickets. 00:10:08.409 --> 00:10:13.309 Wow. Okay, well done. Well done. Yes, I mean, 00:10:13.309 --> 00:10:14.990 you know, ever since that night. And he was the 00:10:14.990 --> 00:10:18.129 main influence for me. And of course, you know, 00:10:18.210 --> 00:10:22.419 we went on to actually Instead of copying people 00:10:22.419 --> 00:10:28.200 we eventually got our own sound People sort of 00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:31.779 knew us from sort of the early 60s as a group 00:10:31.779 --> 00:10:36.720 who had sort of 12 string gangly guitars, harmonies 00:10:36.720 --> 00:10:42.539 in the band and you know that was our mark in 00:10:42.539 --> 00:10:45.500 music and people would say to me like you know 00:10:45.500 --> 00:10:48.879 when I hit a record on a searchers record I knew 00:10:48.879 --> 00:10:51.899 no before the guy That's who it is. I know exactly 00:10:51.899 --> 00:10:54.259 who it is, because we had our own unique sound. 00:10:55.059 --> 00:10:56.299 Yes, yeah, yeah, I agree with that. I hadn't 00:10:56.299 --> 00:10:57.779 thought of it till now, but I totally agree on 00:10:57.779 --> 00:11:00.379 that. Yeah, indeed, you did, yes. Yes, you know, 00:11:00.899 --> 00:11:03.220 if you've got to make it in the business, you 00:11:03.220 --> 00:11:06.100 know, you need your own sound, you need to be 00:11:06.100 --> 00:11:08.340 unique, you know, like people have their own 00:11:08.340 --> 00:11:11.080 sound, we have our own sound, and that's what 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:13.460 you've got to have, people know you've been making 00:11:13.460 --> 00:11:15.720 that sound. And as long as you can keep that 00:11:15.720 --> 00:11:19.750 going. and, you know, come up with different 00:11:19.750 --> 00:11:22.950 songs all the time like we did. We had about 00:11:22.950 --> 00:11:26.809 three, maybe four years at the top. Sure, yeah, 00:11:26.809 --> 00:11:29.690 yeah. Just quietly down, as it were. OK, now 00:11:29.690 --> 00:11:32.570 when you got discovered, was it at the cavern 00:11:32.570 --> 00:11:35.389 or was it somebody... Did you actually know when 00:11:35.389 --> 00:11:38.129 you were being watched by a record label or was 00:11:38.129 --> 00:11:40.049 it not like that? Well, I've got it totally wrong. 00:11:41.730 --> 00:11:44.570 Well, I suppose... It's one of those things we 00:11:44.570 --> 00:11:47.049 were in the right place at the right time. I 00:11:47.049 --> 00:11:49.730 remember going to, we got the offer to go to 00:11:49.730 --> 00:11:52.889 the Star Club in Hamburg, which was absolutely 00:11:52.889 --> 00:11:56.289 fantastic, you know, for poor young teenagers 00:11:56.289 --> 00:11:59.250 to go to Hamburg and meet up with all those people 00:11:59.250 --> 00:12:01.230 at the Star Club like Jerry Lee Lewis and John 00:12:01.230 --> 00:12:05.450 Berry and Ray Charles and everyone else, and 00:12:05.450 --> 00:12:09.350 then to come back to hometown Liverpool. We actually 00:12:09.350 --> 00:12:11.789 thought we'd made the grade then, but of course 00:12:11.789 --> 00:12:14.409 you haven't. It was only, you were only playing 00:12:14.409 --> 00:12:18.769 at the Star Club. But, you know, what a start. 00:12:18.970 --> 00:12:20.490 You know, most of the people who did go to the 00:12:20.490 --> 00:12:23.309 Star Club made their marking music. And we did. 00:12:23.450 --> 00:12:25.210 And of course, when we got back to Liverpool 00:12:25.210 --> 00:12:29.110 after the second time going to the Star Club, 00:12:30.210 --> 00:12:33.250 our manager at the time, in Liverpool, had got 00:12:33.250 --> 00:12:36.389 in touch with some of the people in London and 00:12:36.389 --> 00:12:39.269 we had Tony Hatch come up. Oh yes, of course. 00:12:39.409 --> 00:12:44.610 Yes, yes, yes. when we got back and he said that 00:12:44.610 --> 00:12:48.090 the iron door in Liverpool and we performed Sweets 00:12:48.090 --> 00:12:50.529 From Our Suite for him and a couple of other 00:12:50.529 --> 00:12:52.250 songs and he said, Sweets From Our Suite, that's 00:12:52.250 --> 00:12:54.950 the one, I'm gonna take you boys to London and 00:12:54.950 --> 00:12:58.409 that was it. Overnight success, unbelievable. 00:12:58.809 --> 00:13:01.990 And Tony Hatch was equally at the top in the 00:13:01.990 --> 00:13:05.590 60s definitely, most definitely. Yeah, I'm very 00:13:05.590 --> 00:13:07.950 pleased. Yeah, well done. Well done. Tony Hatch, 00:13:08.090 --> 00:13:09.870 sort of dragging you down in London. That's brilliant, 00:13:10.090 --> 00:13:13.629 Mike. Absolutely amazing. Nick and Sue. Supporting 00:13:13.629 --> 00:13:15.429 this show means supporting the brands that keep 00:13:15.429 --> 00:13:17.450 the lights on. And today, I'm thrilled to talk 00:13:17.450 --> 00:13:19.669 about a personal favourite of mine, Old Glory. 00:13:20.200 --> 00:13:23.179 Old Glory is the ultimate destination for music, 00:13:23.500 --> 00:13:26.000 sports and pop culture fans. They are a family 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:29.299 owned business founded back in 1969. 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And 00:15:57.429 --> 00:16:02.850 I think he jumped at the idea, you know, because 00:16:02.850 --> 00:16:05.850 pop groups were making their mark then, you know, 00:16:06.009 --> 00:16:11.429 1962, 1963. And yeah, it worked well, Tony was 00:16:11.429 --> 00:16:17.029 good for us, even though he kitted us up on the 00:16:17.029 --> 00:16:20.929 second single, which was Sugar and Spice. He 00:16:20.929 --> 00:16:23.590 said, I've just got this song off a friend of 00:16:23.590 --> 00:16:26.769 mine. it's called sugar and spice and he played 00:16:26.769 --> 00:16:29.850 it in the studio and I said it sounds a bit naff 00:16:29.850 --> 00:16:34.169 actually but it got to number two but that's 00:16:34.169 --> 00:16:37.590 not bad at all it was Tony who wrote the song 00:16:37.590 --> 00:16:42.659 ah brilliant brilliant I like that Of course 00:16:42.659 --> 00:16:45.279 he was at that area you're talking about He was 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:47.399 actually at the top, you know, it was he who 00:16:47.399 --> 00:16:49.600 wrote the crossroads theme at much the same time 00:16:49.600 --> 00:16:51.879 You know, he was even doing TV and film themes 00:16:51.879 --> 00:17:24.849 that Lona take a new one as a group I can picture 00:17:24.849 --> 00:17:27.069 your record later. I can picture it now. It was 00:17:27.069 --> 00:17:29.910 in the days when Pi were sort of like a pink 00:17:29.910 --> 00:17:32.069 and black colour for labels. That's your era, 00:17:32.170 --> 00:17:35.880 wasn't it? Yes, pink colour it was, yeah. okay 00:17:35.880 --> 00:17:37.779 okay well that's that's all very good and i'm 00:17:37.779 --> 00:17:39.960 glad you know that that unique sound and you 00:17:39.960 --> 00:17:43.400 are right it is a unique sound and uh and the 00:17:43.400 --> 00:17:44.920 only reason i don't remember the 60s is because 00:17:44.920 --> 00:17:46.940 i was in nappies not for any other reason so 00:17:46.940 --> 00:17:49.440 uh i i unfortunately have listened to you you 00:17:49.440 --> 00:17:51.079 know the second generation of listener if you 00:17:51.079 --> 00:17:54.319 like and no i can tell i can definitely tell 00:17:54.319 --> 00:17:56.900 that well i'd like to ask you now mike okay so 00:17:56.900 --> 00:17:59.019 you get number two in the charts with your second 00:17:59.019 --> 00:18:02.539 record and things like that um I usually ask 00:18:02.539 --> 00:18:04.099 people what was it like on Top of the Pox, but 00:18:04.099 --> 00:18:06.420 because of your era, and I don't get to ask this 00:18:06.420 --> 00:18:10.019 an awful lot, did you get to play on Ready Steady 00:18:10.019 --> 00:18:12.279 Go, Niff, so what was it like? Ready Steady Go, 00:18:12.440 --> 00:18:16.259 yeah. Well, yeah, we made many performances on 00:18:16.259 --> 00:18:19.500 there. I remember doing an interview for it till 00:18:19.500 --> 00:18:23.339 last year. Well. They had Ready Steady Go down 00:18:23.339 --> 00:18:25.599 memory lane on TV. But yeah, I mean, it was one 00:18:25.599 --> 00:18:28.140 of the TV shows, it was the top TV show, really. 00:18:28.660 --> 00:18:30.640 They were all there, the Stones, the Peoples, 00:18:30.700 --> 00:18:35.069 ourselves. You know, I remember Vicki Wick and 00:18:35.069 --> 00:18:38.029 she was the producer. She liked the band, actually, 00:18:38.329 --> 00:18:40.910 and she liked our songs. And we got many, many 00:18:40.910 --> 00:18:44.450 plays on Ready Steady Go. It was one of the top 00:18:44.450 --> 00:18:47.549 pop shows at the time, along with two other pops 00:18:47.549 --> 00:18:51.049 and Vicki Lucky Stars. And we did them all, yeah. 00:18:51.509 --> 00:19:03.650 That's what you had to do. The Ready Steady Go 00:19:03.650 --> 00:19:06.769 looks to me as being quite exciting and of course 00:19:06.769 --> 00:19:10.390 it did have Cathy McGowan present it and she 00:19:10.390 --> 00:19:12.569 still looks the same today. How does she do it? 00:19:13.130 --> 00:19:14.769 She must write a book about how she does that. 00:19:15.369 --> 00:19:18.170 Amazing. Absolutely beautiful. I've always thought 00:19:18.170 --> 00:19:20.710 that. Okay, so we've got your Ready Steady Going 00:19:20.710 --> 00:19:26.279 in the 60s. At what point, I mean, your height 00:19:26.279 --> 00:19:29.200 in the 60s, at what point did the sort of the 00:19:29.200 --> 00:19:32.880 singles start slowing up in terms of music chase 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:36.259 changing and the first generation of Circus fans 00:19:36.259 --> 00:19:38.299 perhaps growing up, starting families and whatever? 00:19:38.799 --> 00:19:42.359 What sort of year are we talking about that you 00:19:42.359 --> 00:19:45.420 sort of like went on basically touring and not 00:19:45.420 --> 00:19:49.500 releasing songs? Well, if I think back now, of 00:19:49.500 --> 00:19:52.559 course, you know, I think probably the last Big 00:19:52.559 --> 00:19:57.180 hit we had was probably Goodbye My Love, which 00:19:57.180 --> 00:20:03.380 was 1965 or 66, if I remember. We had a couple 00:20:03.380 --> 00:20:05.660 of singles after that, of course, but they never 00:20:05.660 --> 00:20:07.799 got sort of into the top five or anything like 00:20:07.799 --> 00:20:12.440 that. You know, as the years went by, we still 00:20:12.440 --> 00:20:15.680 kept on recording. The singles didn't really 00:20:15.680 --> 00:20:24.529 make their mark. We left Pie Studios. I mean 00:20:24.529 --> 00:20:29.549 all these record companies obviously thought 00:20:29.549 --> 00:20:32.289 we can bring the searchers back, we can make 00:20:32.289 --> 00:20:35.710 them big again, which is usually what happens 00:20:35.710 --> 00:20:37.809 in the record business, you know, you look at 00:20:37.809 --> 00:20:41.650 everybody and they start off with a record company 00:20:41.650 --> 00:20:44.910 and then when they've had so much success they 00:20:44.910 --> 00:20:47.490 leave one record company because the record company 00:20:47.490 --> 00:20:49.460 think, you know, We've won them as far as we 00:20:49.460 --> 00:20:52.460 can and we'll get a deal for them with somebody 00:20:52.460 --> 00:20:55.940 else and they ask you, you know, do you want 00:20:55.940 --> 00:20:59.299 to leave or things aren't looking good. You know, 00:20:59.640 --> 00:21:01.940 you end up and your manager at the time says, 00:21:02.079 --> 00:21:03.579 come on, boys, we're not going to go, we're going 00:21:03.579 --> 00:21:05.259 to join this company. And that's what we did. 00:21:05.319 --> 00:21:08.660 That's what happens. And of course, as you go 00:21:08.660 --> 00:21:12.980 on and the years go by, it's so difficult to 00:21:12.980 --> 00:21:15.460 make a comeback. I mean, we tried it several 00:21:15.460 --> 00:21:21.230 times. We signed for Sire Records in the early 00:21:21.230 --> 00:21:27.390 80s, and the product was good. Even Rolling Stone 00:21:27.390 --> 00:21:29.569 magazine in America said, wow, The Searchers 00:21:29.569 --> 00:21:33.250 have got two new albums out. But of course, it 00:21:33.250 --> 00:21:35.369 doesn't matter how good the product is, if it 00:21:35.369 --> 00:21:39.549 doesn't sell, that's it, goodbye. And we tried 00:21:39.549 --> 00:21:42.470 so many times, but to make a comeback in show 00:21:42.470 --> 00:21:45.390 business in the recording world is so, so difficult. 00:21:45.289 --> 00:21:47.450 I'm looking at the sort of, I've actually got 00:21:47.450 --> 00:21:49.390 Wikipedia up, but I'm only checking, you know, 00:21:49.569 --> 00:21:51.450 what years things hit, what number in the charts, 00:21:51.490 --> 00:21:54.369 and it seems to be, and there's nothing you've 00:21:54.369 --> 00:21:57.210 done, I mean, I could sit here for the next hour 00:21:57.210 --> 00:21:59.930 and dish out, well, next 40 minutes, and I could 00:21:59.930 --> 00:22:02.690 give you, fill up that entire time by naming 00:22:02.690 --> 00:22:05.089 groups and singers. They'd all sort of stopped 00:22:05.089 --> 00:22:08.829 having big hits at the same time. I put it down, 00:22:08.910 --> 00:22:11.930 tell me if I'm wrong, you know, that's your business, 00:22:12.009 --> 00:22:14.809 but I put it down as an outsider looking in, 00:22:14.990 --> 00:22:17.109 that it all ties up with the arrival of the teeny 00:22:17.109 --> 00:22:19.089 -bop scene, you know, the turtles, the monkeys 00:22:19.089 --> 00:22:21.450 even, and I think they snatched away the younger, 00:22:21.549 --> 00:22:23.710 what would be your new audience, I think they 00:22:23.710 --> 00:22:25.670 possibly snatched it away, no fault of your own, 00:22:25.809 --> 00:22:28.529 your songs have been just as good right through 00:22:28.529 --> 00:22:31.029 to, you know, right through to the end of 66 00:22:31.029 --> 00:22:33.769 onwards, they still sound as good, I assure you, 00:22:33.970 --> 00:22:35.910 and that's what I put it down to, is that right? 00:22:36.880 --> 00:22:40.440 point I mean yeah I mean it is it is probably 00:22:40.440 --> 00:22:43.200 things like that that have new groups come along 00:22:43.200 --> 00:22:47.299 new American pop groups come and you know bubblegum 00:22:47.299 --> 00:22:49.579 the store whatever friends you had when you started 00:22:49.579 --> 00:22:53.299 like four or five years before they've grown 00:22:53.299 --> 00:22:55.640 up five years on and they do different things 00:22:55.640 --> 00:23:00.220 and so that's that sort of appeal falls by the 00:23:00.220 --> 00:23:03.559 wayside a little bit you know you do need new 00:23:03.559 --> 00:23:13.119 friends but new songs, great songs. When you 00:23:13.119 --> 00:23:14.880 have a great song, you've got to come up with 00:23:14.880 --> 00:23:18.960 another one. Yes, yes, yeah. Unless you're writing 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:22.140 your own material, which, you know, groups like, 00:23:22.740 --> 00:23:25.859 you know, I can think of the Eagles, they're 00:23:25.859 --> 00:23:28.920 one of my favorite bands. They just, they wrote 00:23:28.920 --> 00:23:33.000 so many good songs. They had this thing in the 00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:37.119 band where they wrote, you know, hit after hit 00:23:37.119 --> 00:23:39.950 after hit. you've got to do you know to keep 00:23:39.950 --> 00:23:43.190 going yeah and to be successful and so you know 00:23:43.190 --> 00:23:47.549 like you say comes 66 67 um it started to fall 00:23:47.549 --> 00:23:49.970 away a bit and new people were coming on the 00:23:49.970 --> 00:23:52.730 scene but yes it wasn't it wasn't just ourselves 00:23:52.730 --> 00:23:55.869 it was other groups as well yeah lots of them 00:23:55.869 --> 00:23:59.460 now um At some point between 1960s, I think you 00:23:59.460 --> 00:24:05.500 took us to one of your signings. Let's look at 00:24:05.500 --> 00:24:09.519 what era was it, what year roughly did you start 00:24:09.519 --> 00:24:12.779 your successful touring? I don't mean first time 00:24:12.779 --> 00:24:14.980 round, I mean after the records dried up, when 00:24:14.980 --> 00:24:16.640 did you start doing your, you know, because you've 00:24:16.640 --> 00:24:19.599 had successful tours since, ever since almost, 00:24:19.660 --> 00:24:21.420 but what year did you actually decide that is 00:24:21.420 --> 00:24:23.420 the way forward to earn your living? You're talking 00:24:23.420 --> 00:24:26.630 about after the initial hit? Yes. Yeah, whether 00:24:26.630 --> 00:24:29.529 it's 1970, 75, 80 or whatever it was, I just 00:24:29.529 --> 00:24:32.109 wondered when you started the touring up. Well, 00:24:32.309 --> 00:24:35.329 yes, I mean, you start, once you've had record 00:24:35.329 --> 00:24:38.269 success, I mean, in the recording years, from 00:24:38.269 --> 00:24:44.369 1963 to 1966, 1967, when the records started 00:24:44.369 --> 00:24:46.529 to dry up, you've got to start working, you've 00:24:46.529 --> 00:24:49.809 got to start traveling, touring. We were always 00:24:49.809 --> 00:24:52.170 good to go to Australia, always good to go to 00:24:52.170 --> 00:24:56.730 America. But as the years go by, of course, places 00:24:56.730 --> 00:24:59.190 like America only came around every sort of 10 00:24:59.190 --> 00:25:03.410 years. But we had to start traveling to places 00:25:03.410 --> 00:25:07.410 like Germany and Norway, Sweden, Holland. There 00:25:07.410 --> 00:25:08.910 was always work there, but you had to travel 00:25:08.910 --> 00:25:13.849 for it. And the traveling really took it out 00:25:13.849 --> 00:25:16.509 of you. Of course we were still quite young then, 00:25:16.630 --> 00:25:20.670 and we could do it. I doubt we could do it today. 00:25:22.210 --> 00:25:26.359 But we started to, yes, I would say, about 1968, 00:25:26.500 --> 00:25:28.240 we have to start working for a living, yeah. 00:25:28.380 --> 00:25:30.599 Sure, that's cool, I'm glad you did, and it's 00:25:30.599 --> 00:25:32.640 good that, you know, there's a, I mean, you've 00:25:32.640 --> 00:25:34.940 been down to my hometown, White Rock Theatre, 00:25:35.019 --> 00:25:38.000 Hastings, and that's, well, 1066 seats, as I 00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:39.839 always remember, so it's a, you know, municipal 00:25:39.839 --> 00:25:41.819 theatre that's, you know, if you could get a 00:25:41.819 --> 00:25:43.440 thousand a night, that's probably quite a good 00:25:43.440 --> 00:25:46.019 living, isn't it, really? Well, yeah, I mean, 00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:49.240 yeah, thinking back, the money was good, but, 00:25:49.259 --> 00:25:51.380 you know, I always say to my wife now, I said, 00:25:51.420 --> 00:25:54.900 you know, if you were as big today, as we were 00:25:54.900 --> 00:25:58.299 then. We'd be sort of well on millionaires, you 00:25:58.299 --> 00:26:00.539 know? Sure. No, no. No, I see that. I see that. 00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:02.339 Yeah, that's the difference. In fact, it's like 00:26:02.339 --> 00:26:05.039 when they talk about footballers from the 60s. 00:26:05.180 --> 00:26:06.559 When they were here, they'd have 15 quid a week. 00:26:07.400 --> 00:26:09.980 Yeah. Nick and Sue. If you're looking for the 00:26:09.980 --> 00:26:12.359 perfect gifts, either for yourself or for a fellow 00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:15.559 fan, you need to check out the Old Glory Iconic 00:26:15.559 --> 00:26:18.140 Music and Sports Store. 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But the Mike Pender Searchers 00:27:50.480 --> 00:27:55.740 gigs have dried up mainly because I sort of decided 00:27:55.740 --> 00:27:58.700 about three years ago that I wanted to do more 00:27:58.700 --> 00:28:03.519 solo stuff on my own. I thought it was the right 00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:06.640 age to do it. Because it's difficult to run a 00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:09.700 group, you know, like four people, you've got 00:28:09.700 --> 00:28:13.319 to organize hotels, you've got to organize sound 00:28:13.319 --> 00:28:17.859 checks, you've got to organize PA systems, you've 00:28:17.859 --> 00:28:21.000 got to organize so many things. You know, you 00:28:21.000 --> 00:28:23.000 can't do it, but it gets harder as the years 00:28:23.000 --> 00:28:25.930 go by. And so I decided to, when I signed on 00:28:25.930 --> 00:28:30.509 with Sensational 60s, which, which, uh, tours 00:28:30.509 --> 00:28:34.609 probably about, uh, just about 60 shows a year. 00:28:35.029 --> 00:28:37.730 Yeah. Yeah. You know, you've got all those groups 00:28:37.730 --> 00:28:41.789 who are still around. The trends, the fortunes, 00:28:41.789 --> 00:28:44.809 you know, it's still still performing. Um, even 00:28:44.809 --> 00:28:46.869 though a lot of them don't have any, uh, the 00:28:46.869 --> 00:28:49.210 original members anymore and just look up the 00:28:49.210 --> 00:28:52.009 name of the songs and the same. Um, so, you know, 00:28:52.009 --> 00:28:56.740 I decided to do that. If a Mike Pendle Searches 00:28:56.740 --> 00:29:02.940 gig does come in, we can still do it. For me, 00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:07.619 I do like performing as a solo artist now. That's 00:29:07.619 --> 00:29:10.740 what I'm going to do for as long as I can. Best 00:29:10.740 --> 00:29:14.180 of luck with it. Do keep in touch and let us 00:29:14.180 --> 00:29:16.640 know how it's going. You can always use me for 00:29:16.640 --> 00:29:18.900 a little bit of publicity to announce that you're 00:29:18.900 --> 00:29:20.720 starting your tours or tickets that are on sale, 00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:26.369 etc. You're listening to Nick Prince and Sue 00:29:26.369 --> 00:29:36.710 Earl on Chatterbox. Where would you like to be 00:29:36.710 --> 00:29:38.809 in five years time, ideally being a soloist, 00:29:38.869 --> 00:29:40.930 or is there something that you've got that you 00:29:40.930 --> 00:29:43.309 want to do before, you know, before time runs 00:29:43.309 --> 00:29:46.069 out and we'll, you know, move on, as it were? 00:29:46.349 --> 00:29:48.769 Well, I mean, you're talking about in five years 00:29:48.769 --> 00:29:51.269 time. I tell you what, if I live another five 00:29:51.269 --> 00:29:55.119 years, I'll be... The oldest, happiest man in 00:29:55.119 --> 00:30:00.799 show business. You hear about people from the 00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:05.539 60s and a lot of them have passed on. I feel 00:30:05.539 --> 00:30:08.119 as good as ever, to be honest with you. I feel 00:30:08.119 --> 00:30:09.700 as though I could go on for another five, ten 00:30:09.700 --> 00:30:12.720 years. I think you've got to feel like that if 00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:14.700 you're still in the show, if you're still in 00:30:14.700 --> 00:30:17.539 the business of performing and you come from 00:30:17.539 --> 00:30:19.779 the 60s, I think you still ought to enjoy it. 00:30:20.059 --> 00:30:21.599 Because once you stop enjoying it, I think it 00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:26.849 is time to... I loved you in Sensational 60s. 00:30:26.910 --> 00:30:30.890 The audiences are great and it's good to speak 00:30:30.890 --> 00:30:32.670 to the people after the show. You can meet them 00:30:32.670 --> 00:30:35.970 all in the foyer and they're all dying to meet 00:30:35.970 --> 00:30:38.710 you and talk to you and remember you. You get 00:30:38.710 --> 00:30:41.609 lots of them looking at you saying, yeah, you 00:30:41.609 --> 00:30:45.150 haven't changed a bit. They're such liars, you 00:30:45.150 --> 00:30:50.190 know, these people. It could be their cataracts, 00:30:50.450 --> 00:30:52.130 or if not, the Grecian's working well. Whatever 00:30:52.130 --> 00:30:57.549 it is, don't worry about it. Listen... People 00:30:57.549 --> 00:31:00.309 say to me on the Cementation 60 show, I mean, 00:31:00.410 --> 00:31:03.769 the people who run the show, the promoters, they 00:31:03.769 --> 00:31:06.029 say to me, you know, you still sound good, you 00:31:06.029 --> 00:31:08.410 can still sing, you know, which you have to. 00:31:09.309 --> 00:31:10.890 Because basically, that's what you've still got 00:31:10.890 --> 00:31:13.670 with you, the voice, the vocal. No, no, absolutely. 00:31:14.470 --> 00:31:19.660 You're not looking the same, obviously. And you 00:31:19.660 --> 00:31:25.849 can move your legs. You can carry on, cool down. 00:31:26.410 --> 00:31:30.750 No, fingers crossed, let's hope so. Very good, 00:31:30.809 --> 00:31:32.410 like I say, if you still sound good and look 00:31:32.410 --> 00:31:34.150 good, it's half the battle. And of course, these 00:31:34.150 --> 00:31:36.890 60s things, the nights that you're talking about, 00:31:37.630 --> 00:31:39.869 I'll be to some, not one with you in as yet, 00:31:39.930 --> 00:31:41.950 but there's similar things that go around with 00:31:41.950 --> 00:31:44.769 a few of the groups in the 60s. And it gets to 00:31:44.769 --> 00:31:47.230 me, and I'm in my 50s, and obviously, you know, 00:31:47.230 --> 00:31:49.349 that generation that came out in the 60s, so 00:31:49.349 --> 00:31:52.190 I'm the next one on. And there's plenty of people 00:31:52.190 --> 00:31:55.549 my age watching you and some are bringing their 00:31:55.549 --> 00:31:58.769 kids along so you have got unlike unfortunately 00:31:58.769 --> 00:32:00.769 in the when it would come to record sales in 00:32:00.769 --> 00:32:03.490 the late 60s when people like my parents were 00:32:03.490 --> 00:32:06.430 having me and uh you know and the record sales 00:32:06.430 --> 00:32:08.650 sort of dropped out dropped out a bit but uh 00:32:08.650 --> 00:32:12.029 i think you are getting that generation now that's 00:32:12.029 --> 00:32:15.730 what i think well you know i can only tell you 00:32:15.730 --> 00:32:17.970 about the people who come to the show you know 00:32:17.970 --> 00:32:22.170 they are obviously my age from my age group But 00:32:22.170 --> 00:32:24.569 you do get a lot of younger people. Yeah. You 00:32:24.569 --> 00:32:26.990 know, people from the 70s and a couple from the 00:32:26.990 --> 00:32:29.130 80s, actually. Well, very good. Very good, yeah. 00:32:29.650 --> 00:32:33.769 And, you know, they come in and they enjoy the 00:32:33.769 --> 00:32:38.029 music. They certainly do. I mean, a lot of the 00:32:38.029 --> 00:32:40.710 60s stuff still appeals, to be honest with you, 00:32:40.710 --> 00:32:43.769 because a lot of people from that generation, 00:32:43.809 --> 00:32:46.109 they don't like today's music. It's like any 00:32:46.109 --> 00:32:47.829 other music, you know? Absolutely. You're caught 00:32:47.829 --> 00:32:50.410 up with something and you're so used to hearing 00:32:50.410 --> 00:32:54.160 it and playing it. missing it. When you get the 00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:56.400 opportunity to go back to those years, you go 00:32:56.400 --> 00:32:59.000 to the show and you watch your favorite artists 00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:01.819 from that period of time. And that's what people 00:33:01.819 --> 00:33:04.700 do. They go back, they say, oh, I remember Needles 00:33:04.700 --> 00:33:07.740 and Pins. I remember when you walk in the room, 00:33:08.220 --> 00:33:10.920 I was getting married and this stuff. They want 00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:13.440 to relive those memories. That's why they go 00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:16.420 to the show still. Absolutely, and thank God 00:33:16.420 --> 00:33:18.420 for it. And I'm glad that you're playing your 00:33:18.420 --> 00:33:21.400 part in those shows. I still have my autobiography 00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:25.140 which is on sale through Amazon and it's still 00:33:25.140 --> 00:33:27.279 on sale through the web, through the Frank Club. 00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:30.200 I was really pleased that I could do something 00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:34.400 like that. It's probably every artist, whether 00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:37.539 it's movies, show business or whatever, or sports, 00:33:38.500 --> 00:33:42.039 they can write their autobiography before they 00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:44.160 depart this world. you know it's something that 00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:46.339 they've done and it's a feather in the cap and 00:33:46.339 --> 00:33:48.240 i'm so glad that i was able to do it to talk 00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:51.319 about things i've been through um so that's one 00:33:51.319 --> 00:33:54.819 of the great things i feel that i've that i've 00:33:54.819 --> 00:33:57.880 done and i'm most happy with personally you know 00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:00.099 we've still got the the website and anybody wants 00:34:00.099 --> 00:34:03.900 to get in touch my friend has searched us um 00:34:03.900 --> 00:34:06.039 really that's the main thing you know this facebook 00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:09.980 as well of course yeah uh and that's about it 00:34:10.409 --> 00:34:12.309 Brilliant Mike and I've got a late message just 00:34:12.309 --> 00:34:14.369 come in it's from V Goddard listening on the 00:34:14.369 --> 00:34:16.650 Isle of Wight I think she's saying down way and 00:34:16.650 --> 00:34:19.670 she's just looked you up On your website. She's 00:34:19.670 --> 00:34:21.269 saying you're looking really really good for 00:34:21.269 --> 00:34:24.909 your age Well isn't that lovely? Tell her thank 00:34:24.909 --> 00:34:27.929 you very much if you see her Yes, well I shall 00:34:27.929 --> 00:34:30.869 message her back. Thank you Mike. There you go 00:34:30.869 --> 00:34:32.829 Well it was a pleasure and it's always just a 00:34:32.829 --> 00:34:34.769 pleasure to talk on the radio to people. Thank 00:34:34.769 --> 00:35:06.670 you very much You have been listening to the 00:35:06.670 --> 00:35:09.869 Chatterbox Redux podcast with Sue and Nick and 00:35:09.869 --> 00:35:12.889 our special guest today was Andy Kiriakou of 00:35:12.889 --> 00:35:15.849 Modern Romance. 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