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know about music. And there we go, Modern Romance
and Everybody Sells Her. That was a new version
recorded in June 2019 and here we've got Andy
Kiriakou, lead singer of Modern Romance. Good
afternoon Andy, welcome to Radio North Sea International
mate. Hello Andy, thank you, how you doing? Weird,
good thank you. Hello Andy. Just a quick hello
to Sue, I know Sue's there, hello Sue. Hello.
And how you doing mate, you all good? Yeah I'm
not too bad, I'm at home just Doing some work
on the computer, getting ready for some work
stuff. It was all work -related. I was actually
going to go out on the motorbike and then I thought,
I won't really get far, I'll have to come back
because I knew you were going to be trolling
for this interview and I thought I'm not going
to get far so I'm just going to go out. I'm going
to be really chewed off with you because obviously
I can't go out, I should have gone out today
but we'll see. Well, I've never been blamed for
the words of before, but thanks Andy. Right,
Andy. Modern Romance, right, take it from the
beginning. When were they, was it late 70s they
came about? They came out, was it Leighton Buzzards
they came out of? That's right, yeah. Leighton
Buzzards, punk band. Nothing to do with me, I
must have been a punk band actually, because
I thought they were pretty abysmal. I know they
had one minor hit, I can't think what it was
called now, but I do remember them. It was called
Saturday Night Beneath the Plastic Palm Trees.
Thank you for that, yeah. That's probably why
I can't remember it. Okay, you came along, I
think, after the... Was it the first Modern Romance
record after they changed the name? Was that
right? No, what happened is they had the first
single which was called Modern Romance. They
got this deal and they did have a name for the
band. So they said, what should we call the band?
Oh, we'll call the band Modern Romance. So the
song was Modern Romance by Modern Romance. Nobody
said that they were particularly creative at
that point, but that's what they came out with.
Fine. It turns out the name was great. But it
came from that first song. And the first song,
I have to say, was pretty dire. I mean, you know,
it's awful. Then they had another song, which
I actually liked. They had a second song. This
is all before me joining by the way, there's
a second song called Tonight, which actually
was one of my favorite songs to play. We used
to play live, I used to love playing this song.
There was just kind of a nice rhythm, a nice
electronic pulse going through it. It was great,
great song. But that didn't do anything either.
And at that point is when I met them and was
asked to join the band through a sequence of
events. I actually had no idea that they'd had
a record deal and that they had two flops. Right,
yeah. But as far as I know, I was joining this
band who were rehearsing underneath the railway
arches in Leighton, Leightonstone, wherever it
was. I was there, went there to rehearse for
a bit, because I heard them play live before
I joined them, I thought I'd listen to them in
case they turned out to be rubbish. As it turned
out, I liked the sound, I thought I liked the
rawness. went along to play with them. And it's
only during one of the rehearsals that I heard
somebody mentioning, you know, somebody and,
you know, the PR man and this and that, record
company, and I went, excuse me, what's this?
And they said, oh yeah, yeah, we've got a deal.
We've had two records out already, but they were
flops, and we've been told that the next record,
if it's a flop again, then we're out, you know,
three strikes and we're out, sort of thing. And
I said, okay, you know. And the third record
was Everybody Salsa. And that's when it all began.
Brilliant. But you started off life not as lead
singer, did you? That's right. I started off
as a drummer. And it's a gradual progression.
I mean, I was a drummer. And what we did, obviously,
on tour, people would sing and get guitars out
on the bars and start doing stuff. want to be
singing and I'd be singing and then one of them
turned around and said actually you can sing
and I went well I suppose so no no you can right
you're doing backing vocals from now on so I
had to go and invest in a Madonna style headset
mic because I'm growing and I don't want to do
that it's much easier with a headset mic because
you can move your head around and still be singing
as opposed to staying fixed to sing into a static
mic so I did backing vocals and did that for
Yonks and did a few things on the album as well.
And then I became lead singer after the band
broke up and went a separate ways. Ty reformed,
I got back with David James and said, I want
to reform the band. And he said, I don't really
want to do it again because I'm into management
now and so I just can't see myself going out
on stage anymore, I'm not interested. So he said
to me, look, you're not as qualified as anyone
else to take the name forward. If someone else
wants to do it and you want to do it, you can
have the name. You can do what you want with
it. And then from 1999, I became Modern Romance.
And I must say, reluctantly, the singer of Modern
Romance, because I tried to explain to people,
it's very different. Singing from behind the
drum kit, Mean I've worked in other bands in
between in the industry between one way match
one and two I worked in other bands and I would
be behind the drunken obvious I've seen I said
I want to do a cover version of this. Okay. Yeah,
I'll do that Yeah, yeah sure being faced with
the prospect of Going out front and singing without
the drunken for survival. We have not survived
the protection. I felt Absolutely. I could have
been, I might have been naked. It was the same
thing. I see. Yeah, yeah. So it was terrifying
to be honest, the transition, but eventually
I got to the stage where I wasn't being, you
know, shaking like a bag of nerves before I had,
which is what's happening. And then I got to
the stage where I sort of go out and do it now.
I don't think about it, but it took a good year
and a half before I could get over that. absolutely
frantic with fear before going on. I can't think
of that many drummers that have been lead singers.
The only one I can think of, and that was only
on some of their singles, was probably Mickey
De Lenz, and of course that's all staged on a
TV show anyway. yeah so you think of the six
singles he might have had a hit sang on hit wise
yeah it's all stage you know and he just zooms
in for when I stand on some of her face or whatever
but yeah you can't do a whole gig like it I wouldn't
have thought no no no no to be honest I did try
a couple of gigs I did try playing drums and
I got the guitarist I said to the guitarist that
you do a couple of songs I'll let you have a
little set of your own I'll go back and play
drums and what happened is it left this big hole
in the middle of the stage where there's no not
not I want to be the focal point but there was
nothing to focus on the guitarist was on the
right where he has been as they're looking on
stage bass players on the left and in the middle
where there was a singer, there's no one now
because I've got to play drums and the drummer's
gone backstage and having a beer while he's waiting
for me. That's just a couple of songs and it
just doesn't work. Sure. I'm looking at, I've
actually got the Wikipedia page up, which I think
you said, when I've had you on shows before,
I think you said it's actually fairly accurate,
I believe. I'm looking at some of the positions
that your singles and albums got to around the
place. We're looking at Adventures in Clubland,
Certified Gold in Venezuela, number one there.
Rolling down to the singles. Everybody sells
at number 12. I, I, I, I, Moosey number 10. Can
you move number... I must admit it was very weird
because we didn't even know. When we were in
Thailand... We had these far -reached tours.
We were going to Thailand, Hong Kong, Japan.
We were all over the place. And we arrived in
Thailand and we all disembarked and went to the
airport. And it was screaming. There were loads
of people. What the hell? What were these people?
Is there a festival? Is there some kind of thing
going on? And the guy from the record from WEA
in Thailand said, no, they're here for you. Wow.
We thought we were going on a tour to promote
the band and let them know we actually exist
and we're alive sort of thing. And they said
no they're here for you. We said what do you
mean they're here for us? They said don't you
know? You said you're number one at the moment.
So you were getting off the plane and it was
like the second coming. Yeah brilliant I like
that. They're putting garlands around you, and
they know you're queer. I mean, don't forget,
we're going to a country where we think no one
knows who we are. We're going to have to prove
it, you know, and prove what we can do. And we're
going to play a few gigs, and people are going
to start getting a few child positions or whatever.
We're right for number one. People can put garlands
around us, and they know our names. And they're
going, oh, Robbie, oh, Andy, you know, they thought
you'd be president, and they're giving us presents,
and we're going... What the hell? This is the
kind of world that we don't know about. What's
going on? Fantastic. Fantastic. I knew the chaps
could be like that sometimes, but I didn't know
the title. That's brilliant, mate. I love that.
And I've honestly never heard that story from
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Get a box! Sue. Hi Andy. Have you ever thought
of entering the Eurovision? I've been in it.
Ah, okay. Brilliant. Which act was that with
me? I went as a percussionist and backing vocalist
with an entry from Citrus. Because I'm Cypriot,
and they said, we'd like to find some Cypriot
musicians, and they said, someone suggested,
I'd just let them on Romance in the 80s then.
And they said, what about the guy who's just
let them on Romance? He's Greek, it's a game,
you know. So I went, and I must admit, For me
it was like a glorified, a session is you go
in and you play your stuff and you leave. This
was a glorified session because out of this session
I got a week in Cyprus, everything paid for,
and then a week in Norway, which is where it
was. Sure, okay. Some of these Viking ships,
they took us down a few oars and we stopped off
at Bakeries and had all these cinema things and
it was like fantastic. And I thought, God, I
could do one of these every few weeks, it'd be
great. What about the the fateful question? Because
the UK does have a pretty awful record in it
the last 20 odd years would you ever is it something
modern romance could do perhaps for the UK I
don't know, see, because many people say, oh,
yeah, you know, doing the rural region is a kiss
of death, if you don't... But I don't think it
is. I don't think it is. I think you open...
You know, if you... See, there are politics involved.
We all... Yes, yeah, yeah. Greece gives points
to Estonia and all the people around it and all
the people it wants to be friends with or anyone
that has argued with it, it will give points
to try and... It's nothing to do with who's on
stage and what they're doing, which is a shame.
But I do think that if you go up there and give
a good account of yourself, you can, in our case,
reignite what we had in the past and even open
new doors and get new people turned onto your
music and go, this is great fun, I like it, you
know. Then on the other hand, what if you go
and because of the voting system and because
of the way that people don't vote for England,
they decide not to vote even though they all
like the song. I've seen songs, I'm sure we all
have, we've seen songs that are really great,
that's a fantastic song and it gets virtually
zero points because it's not England. I mean,
we have won it five times and we've come second
a quite incredible 13 times. That was in 2012
B .C. Yes, maybe it was. But then again, my reckoning
on that is perhaps it's because Ireland did very
well as well. Maybe it's because those two countries
could sing in English and everyone else had to
sing for many years in their native tongue. A
lot of people understand English from pop songs
or second language. And I think it was that.
And the year after we last won it, which was
Katrina waves in 1997. anyone could sing in whatever
language, and everyone but France generally sings
in English, if you've noticed. That might be
part of it. I think that is part of it, but I
still think it's also part of this... I mean,
it's become a global, you know, European joke.
England, zero points. You know, they laugh about
it. And I don't see why, because without wishing
to show my allegiance to England, because I was
England born and raised... Roots England has
had some fantastic songs in the past as you just
mentioned But also England has produced some
of the greatest pop bands in the world. Yeah,
yeah There's something darker there's something
more involved here people are just decided not
to give points because that I love Buxley's and
I'll tell you what, if Buxley's went on there
now, they'd probably get zero points because
everything becomes so political. And they should
probably get no points as well. What the hell?
It's a shame, but having said all that, before
we can progress, have you seen, I don't normally
plug movies but you just said the magic word,
have you seen a film called Eurovision? No, I
haven't, but I was aware it was out. We must
put it on the... Yes, I'm aware of the movie,
but haven't seen it. You have to watch it. It's
really... I mean, everyone was telling you for
years the Abba movies were good. I'll never forget
it. I watched Mother Mia with Piers Croslund,
seeing it. That must be awful, you know. And
I watched them recently and I thought, you know
what, they're really fun. Yes. This is really
good fun with a couple of really good songs in
it as well. Okay. And it's just a good fun, feel
good feel. So yeah, Eurovision. Everyone listen.
Go and watch it. You'll have some fun with your
family. That's all that's on our list then, Sue.
Yeah, well, what we're gonna do, Andy, we're
gonna play High Life and then we're gonna come
back for a bit more of a chat and play one of
the new songs after that. So, yes, Modern Romance
and High Life coming up right now. There we go,
that is Modern Romance and Hi Life, and welcome
back. Andy Curiaki of Modern Romance, hello again
mate. Thank you, thank you, good to be here.
Thank you, brilliant. Right, we're looking at,
we've basically talked about the group, how it
all started and how you got it back together.
Now, oh Sue, you did want to ask a song, was
it about I, I, I, Moosey, what was it you wanted
to ask about it? How did I I I Moosey come about?
How did it get its name? Right. I've only asked
this in the past a few times, 873 I think it
is. You've only told me twice. Sorry. And that's
just who I'll do it again. Thank you. You should
tell people why they ask the question when they
ask the question. Just for the love of you Sue.
Basically, the guy who was singer of the band
at the time had a cousin called Michael Moss.
Right. And obviously, you shortened names and
it became Mossy, then it became Moosey, he was
Moosey. I was coming to the gig tonight, well
John's coming, blah blah, Moose is coming, right.
So it became Moosey. And then one day, shortly
after everybody's house was in here, this guy
said to him, I bet you I can write a song with
your name in it, and it'll make a hit out of
it, and it won't rubbish, you told me. He goes,
yeah, I'll get Dex. So anyway, he wrote the song
and the chorus was I I I I Moussy and everyone
thought what does this mean? It's nothing. It's
the name of a guy who drives he drove a black
cab in London. It's a taxi driver's name Moussy.
That was it. But people thought it was some kind
of really kind of exotic thing. Who's Moussy?
You know someone in the Caribbean is it? No no
he's in the East End of London driving a cab.
Brilliant well thank you for that Andy. Right
now you've been back together Modern Romance
has been back together for quite a while now.
I understand 2020 was going to be the year you
were actually going to be touring everywhere,
wasn't it? Some massive tour you had on, I believe?
Yeah, and we had an album ready to release and
two things happened. We had an album to release
in 2019 and then touring in 2020 and doing stuff.
In 2019 I went to Cyprus for a short holiday.
How are you still here mate? few times and i
think mate i'm just apparently i was three inches
away from being dead and i was three inches in
kilby but as it turned out he injured me but
it didn't kill me so anyway so then i spent the
majority of august in the last month of september
unable to go out into the sun i can't tell you
how frustrated to be in a country where the temperature
is in the 30s and you'll be inside sweating your
face off and you just can't go out because my
leg was all wrecked up and bandaged and you know
the injury was just so bad I couldn't walk so
anyway so when I came back obviously I couldn't
do any of the promotion for the album I thought,
oh never mind, we'll get over this and we'll
sort it out. And then I thought, okay, we'll
still do the gigs in January, you know, from
January on, January, February, we'll start gigging,
still do that, and then look at the album. And
of course, in February, before we had the first
gig, Mr. Coronavirus knocked on everyone's door.
And that was the end of that. So we didn't do
any gigs in 2020, at all. And it's just so frustrating,
not just for me. and it's frustrating on an artistic
level, it's also frustrating on a financial level
because obviously there's no money coming in.
But what's great is I know so many artists and
so many people that are in the same boat and
unfortunately by virtue of what we do for a job...
We fall in between the cracks apparently and
we don't qualify for self -employment at this,
we don't qualify for furlough, we don't qualify
for this, we don't even qualify for a free banana
from a local grocery, you know what I mean? Nothing.
So, we've got that frustration to put up with.
Plus the fact that, mate, I miss going out on
stage and interacting with people and just doing
what we do and it's got, oh my god, how long
is this going to go on for? But it's going to
go on until the end of the year apparently. I
mean, little gigs are happening now, little gigs,
no. which actually battles me because I've got
a friend who did a gig a couple of weeks ago
in a pub and he said there were about 70 people
there and he said they were all on top of each
other and yet he goes home and he can't have
more than six people at his house now but he
could probably still do a gig the weekend and
our gigs are not happening because obviously
our gigs are not being facetious or conceited
about it. Must be you know, we've got you know,
if you do one of the holiday camps talking two
and a half three thousand people Yeah, and if
you do the best of all you're talking 20 ,000.
They're not gonna last 20 ,000 people together
The one thing I do say to people is And I was
looking all the way through this. I said, no
matter how bad it gets financially for anybody,
if you become bankrupt, if you lose this, lose
that, you can always come back from there. The
one thing you can't come back from is if you
get it and die. So let's just all stay home,
let's all get well, stay well, and worry about
the rest later. Great advice, mate. Yeah, thank
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to a brand new modern romance album in 2021 i
assume well funny enough right now this minute
when you phoned me because i was actually doing
the order of the tracks on the album oh okay
you're the first to hear this we only decided
on friday because you know what let's put it
out for christmas let's compete with all the
big artists what the hell if it's a good album
and people hear it it will stand up for itself
and they go oh he's good they'll go and buy it
i don't need to worry about competing with cliffridge
putting out his christmas album of the year or
you know the charandran or wet wet wet or anywhere
else they will do what they're going to do and
then we just said you know let's just put it
out and see what happens have it out because
um i was talking to you know one of the guys
is putting it out for me and he said look after
the year we've had we being the world in general,
you know, in the UK, he said, people need a bit
of fun. He said, you know, all these tunes that
you've re -recorded, everybody sells some moosey
besties of their lives. He said, people want
some fun. He said, put it out for Christmas and
let people hear it and have some fun and dance
around with it. because people need to be lifted
after this awful year and that's what made me
decide you know what maybe it's got a point so
we've decided to go for it and put it out at
Christmas that's actually a good move actually
and also you have been working very hard you
know burrowing away making contact with people
like myself originally you contacted me not the
other way around and it's found your little team
the guy that contacted everyone and offered you
for quite some time ago offered you for an interview
and of course you've now done two of my stations
now and that you know it's been very good this
shutdown probably to the extent that you have
spoken to lots of radio people and it's so easy
to come back to me now say oh Nick can we have
a little chat about the Christmas thing next
whenever when you've got a gap and you go and
not just me but a lot of people I think you know
you've done really brilliantly there where some
people have just sort of hidden away written
their song about the lockdown which i've heard
must have heard 10 million songs about the lockdown
by now and you're bringing out this jolly thing
and i think that will get you more more radio
spots as well adi i really do yeah well i'll
do a happy modern romance one it might work Right
in a lockdown, so I don't think you've, you know,
some of the people have done it and I think,
what the hell, you know, it's a subject that
we've all, we're all bored of the words lockdown
and virus and pandemic and so on. Let it end
soon. I mean, it will end when it ends, but we,
I don't really want to be connoting it and saying,
you know, let's talk about virus and pandemics
and lockdown. I think you've all had enough.
But I have to say, funnily enough, Last week
I was talking to a friend of mine, a lot of techs,
this is for all football fans by the way, I was
talking to my techs because I'm an Arsenal fan,
he's a Spurs fan, arch -rivers as you know, right?
And I was taking the mickey because obviously
we just won our first game of the season last
weekend, we've recently won the charity shield,
we've won the FA Cup, and I said to him, nothing
in your trophy cabinet am I? And he was writing
back to you recently and then he said, do you
know what? Because you know Arsenal were originally
a South London club? Yes, Woolwich Arsenal, yeah,
yeah, yeah. And then we moved to North London
in 1913, right? And they said, no, you're just
a bunch of pikeys anyway. Oh, OK. It's actually,
you're just a bunch of pikeys. Basically moved
like a bunch of gypsies from South London to
North London and took their place, sort of thing.
So I wrote back a comment, and then I said, do
you know what? That's actually a good title for
a song. So I had... I wrote, rewrote, there and
then, I rewrote the lyrics of I, I, I, I, Moosing,
can't really be enough. I used the whole lyrics,
everything, the chorus, the actual verses, everything,
all to do with football, and primarily spurs.
Okay. What's it called now? Well, the thing is,
I'm going to tell you after we finish this. Oh,
okay. But, anyway, I... Rewrote the lyrics and
then what I did is I came to the laptop put the
backing track on and sang it into my phone so
the phone's got me singing with the backing track
and I sent it to my friend and I said, yeah,
this is what I'm thinking you got. Even though
he's an Ardent Spurs fan, he was in hysterics.
And he said, great, how did you write it that
quickly? And I said, well, that's what's wrong.
I write songs, that's what you do. You take it
pretty good, how did you? build his extension
so quickly it'll take me four weeks he's done
it in two days that's his job that's what he
does um and i've actually just in the process
now of writing an email it's on my screen now
i'm writing an email to accompany it because
when i send it to people i want them to realize
i've done this banter as a joke i don't want
anyone else to sit there going oh yes but you
know he's used this word there and this here
however i know the joke it's fun it's people
having a laugh you know i suppose fans can laugh
about it and Arsenal fans obviously, and other
football fans. I just don't want someone jumping
at some doobler going, oh he's used this word
there, you know, it's in bad taste. Don't get
James who's in the chat room. He's the RNI whiz
kid with computers and studios We don't upset
him too much because we had as you know, you
were going to come on a few Was it three weeks
ago? So we had a studio meltdown. He's the one
that saved us because there was a meltdown as
well Yeah, we look forward to that one though
Andy definitely also I'm hoping you're gonna
turn but you can give us that new sort of like
Christmas time when you tell us about what you're
bringing out there and hope you're you know,
nice nicer a nice new tour for 2021 maybe yeah
where abouts are you guys based anyway? in Hastings
East Sussex 30 odd miles from Brighton right
okay um Kent yeah we have nine miles to the Kent
border yeah well okay I've got a gig in Kent
next year keep us posted let's rock Kent yes
I can't remember the actual date, but if you
look it up, Nets Rock Kent, you'll see loads
of 80s people, Nick Kershaw, I think, and Tony
Hackley and a whole bunch of other people from
the 80s, and I will be there doing that one.
Sounds good. Sounds good, mate. Sounds good.
Before we... Sue, you want to say something,
sorry? We've got to look it up and go. Yes, we
will. I was just saying that. Right. Before you
go, Andy, could you tell us about any websites
or Facebook pages and groups that Modern Romance
or you have, please? And then we've got our website,
which is www .modern -romance .com. Then we've
got my Facebook page, which people, I invite
people all the time, just come and say hello,
and at the end of the day, people are sitting
and going, it's my Facebook page. Yes, it's there
for me to interact with people from the public
who like our stuff, who want to come and say
hi. So if you do want to come in, don't feel,
oh, you know, you're imposing. No, come and say
hi. Introduce yourself, say hi, I'm saying so.
And yeah, I mean I might not be able to chat
to you every day, but I will always say hi to
people and if they're coming to a gig and they
let me know I'm coming to your gig at such and
such place I'll try and find a way to get out
from backstage and come and actually say hi to
them and meet them in person. Oh lovely mate,
that's brilliant. That's absolutely fantastic.
Yeah, excellent. Nice, because if you've got
people that chat to you and comment on your stuff,
it's actually nice to meet them, put a face to
their name, and then you know them after that.
It's not just a person online. You actually know
them. I mean, I've had some great things happen
in the past. I've met some girls that came to
a gig, and I can't remember what happened, but
I think they tried to get tickets for a gig and
were let down or whatever. And I said, I'll tell
you what, I'll put you on the guest list for
our gig in this place. And they were so grateful
and it was in sort of Devon somewhere. They bought
me a bag of Cornish pasties that were made from
the best Cornish pasties shop in Cornwall. They
said, yeah, they're all fresh and they're all
warm. Andy, thank you very much for spending
so much of your Sunday afternoon with us and
do keep in touch and, you know, do just send
me the press releases like you do and hopefully
we'll have a chat. Well, still Wonderstations
you haven't been on yet, but I'd like to have
a chat, you know, when things are coming out
at Christmas, if you don't mind, mate, that'd
be brilliant. Well, how are you black coffee
cuz I'm more of a black coffee man, but that's
okay As long as it's strong, that's fine mate,
yeah Brilliant Andy so from Sue myself, thank
you very much and do take care of yourself for
every success, you know in the very near future
Now we're gonna play out with one of your newer
songs and in Here we are Modern Romance and Michica
Latina. Hope I've done that right. And Andy thank
you very much and speak to you soon mate. Thank
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