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to the Chatterbox Redux podcast with Sue and

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Nick and today our special guest is Ian Wills

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from Wills and the Willing. This is Nick and

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the best news Chatterbox we're just lucky enough

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to welcome back Ian Wills of Wills and the Willing.

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Ian welcome back how are you sir? Very well thank

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you Nick and yourself. Well good thank you thank

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you. Right we've got this new single which is

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coming from a forthcoming album which we're going

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to have a big big chat about in the future about

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the album when it comes out. Newton's Law yeah

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right well I can think of three basic Newton's

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Laws which ones it based on? Well, it was based

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upon two really, the theory of gravity, what

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goes up has got to come down and the balance

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of physics. But in translating that into the

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single, the idea being is that in my head was

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that no matter what you do, you can't avoid inevitability.

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So that's Newton's law, it goes up, it comes

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down. I like it, yeah, because I was thinking,

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well, yeah, I was kind of thinking, well, could

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it be like the, I was thinking, well, could it

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be acceleration, the force, something we were

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going with it, so he went down that, that's fine,

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perfect answer, as always. Thank you. The theory

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being was what happened in the thought process

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was there was another young life lost and in

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tragic circumstances, and it made me feel very

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uncomfortable with being alive. And that no matter

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how well you try to live your life or atone for

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the things that you've done in the past and try

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to balance the books, there is inevitability.

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And I think I captured that in the lyrics when

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I said, when it's time, it's time. When it's

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you up, you're up. And it seemed very tragic

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in my mind. And, you know, the line, I think,

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was no matter how you atone, the good die young

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and alone. And that was really what set me down

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that path. And then I thought about losing somebody.

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And then they get to heaven, if it exists, who

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knows. But on the basis that it does exist. That

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when they asked me... what the reasons they were

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this I would blame myself I would say it's Newton's

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law okay and then the theory being is that when

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it was my time um and I get to heaven being the

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person I am I'm not going to go there with clean

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hands I'm going to have a hacksaw because I know

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there's a challenge that they might not let me

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in and so therefore that was my sort of preparation

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for that moment and that's what the song really

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is about belief redemption inevitability and

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and tragedy but okay we've been talking quite

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some years now where we were locked down or when

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you did your first album it was a very long time

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we've been radio norsi international before chatterbox

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even started i remember one sunday come on we

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had a good chat about your background and yeah

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denning spy ketchup in lay buys and I think you're

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up to the age of 15 to have a story and maybe

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we'll bring it up again when we perhaps talk

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about the album. It's a great story. So, but

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then again, you say about redemption, you have

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spent a lifetime redeeming yourself. You had

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a fantastic life as well, but a great story.

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It's an incredible story. It fills up volumes

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of autobiographies. You're so kind. but i mean

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it's a very serious point now i know you've had

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a lot of health issues and the way you're talking

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about the newton's law and the the thought process

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behind it is health really not good are you thinking

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this could be the last project is it that serious

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now or how is it you know you fight you have

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a series of challenges all the time the days

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when i get up and i feel like i'm 21 and and

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i you know mentally i'm always going to be 21

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But the physicality, again, Newton's law, the

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outcome of physicality is physics. And there

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are days when I really do struggle and times

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when I really think like, wow, is this the inevitability

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of the end? And again, I think I did get very

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unwell when making this album. And I got diagnosed

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with the cirrhosis of the liver. And then in

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the pre -production of this album, I ended up

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picking up a UTI that's the size of Mount Kilimanjaro.

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It really was bad. And then in the process of

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thinking that I've got out of that, you know,

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I think that was caused by the prostate cancer

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and the cirrhosis and everything else that's

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going on internally. And then, you know, I ended

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up getting sepsis. And so you do feel to yourself,

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is this today? Is this the moment? Is it come

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to the end? And I think that, so you live with

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that. It's not fear. You live it with almost

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like a motivation. And in using that Newton's

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law, a very dear friend of mine, we've been friends

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for over 50 years. I've got father to his second

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child. I held each one of these babies in my

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arms when they were born. And his son is about

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as clean, living, good boy that you could get.

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His daughter is 11 months old. He was 34. He

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sat down on the TV and he died. Just like that.

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And when I was at the service a couple of weeks

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ago, I sat there in isolation and felt to myself

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that... If ever there was an applicable song

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applied to what I was sitting through, it was

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Newton's law, because the good do die young.

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And so it continues to make me feel that every

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day is a blessing and every sleep might be your

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last. Sure. You have, of course, stared dead

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in the face. A few times in your life. That's

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when you were young of course. Hopefully you

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will again. I think it's great that new listeners

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in the years have been speaking. There's a lot

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of new listeners come by. I'm sure we know the

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stories. I'm sure we can skin through them. I

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think they need to know that. It's just amazing.

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You certainly had your fair experience of staring

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death in the face. Are we connected with a teacher?

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There was a couple of teachers that really, when

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I was at school, they remember me, I don't remember

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myself, if that makes sense. So I remember every

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bad thing that I did, because it was outrageously

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bad. And we were laughing and joking, so I promised

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them a couple of years ago that I would do for

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them a lunch at my house and do an acoustic gig,

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just me and a guitar. I got my friend Steve to

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come and do it with me. And Danny is such a great

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man. And he went from being an English teacher

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to chief executive of 12 academies. And he openly,

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those who've read my book know that he actually

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dined out on me for 40 years because of the things

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that I did. And we were talking, a joke in a

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light and a particular song. And we were talking

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about my gardening business. And at the point

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that I'd written this poem was the first thing,

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it was really the first thing I'd written. I

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got in my car one day when I got my license back

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and I went, I drove across to France and I went

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across to Flanders. And I was, came back and

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it triggers something in me. So I wrote this

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poem called Flanders. I was so proud of it. So

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I went to school and at this point I think Danny

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was, I think he was definitely head at that point,

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or got up, let's see. and he saw me and embraced

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me and I did this poem and I showed him this

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poem he gave me this book of war poets from the

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first world war and it stuck with me and I had

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my gardening business and I was doing and I said

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to him I will you know I'll give a job to somebody

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like that this was a outrageous reprobate like

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me now he actually genuinely believed that my

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gardening business was the front for me to go

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and burgle high -end houses because I was that

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bad in the sense of like where you were so to

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see that change in your personality and you know

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I never burgled anybody's house but you know

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people think that you're upgrading your criminality

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Yeah, I never thought you were the Wimbledon

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Proud or anything like that. They're so proud

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of me. They're in their late 70s and early 80s,

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these two friends, and they're so proud of me

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that I came out the other side. And Gareth, who

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is in his 80s now, he became the headmaster.

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So I was forced to leave school when I was evicted

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by the police from the school, but I had to attend,

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it was part of what was my... probation that

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I had to do in advance of trying to sort of keep

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myself together. But he said to me that he didn't

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believe that I'd make 18. And he was right. I

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remember the things that happened to me in that

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process. And so to get here either through ill

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health to be still in your 60s, that violence

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didn't take me, the way that I lived that early

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life didn't take me. You know, I've been shot

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at. and the bullet missed me and so you know

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and so you you do believe so when you when you

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when you reflect all of that into your creativity

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or storytelling there's always the the part of

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you that um there's always the truth in there

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and um and I think I was looking in Newton's

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law again for me it was about atonement and I

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think the triggering that is you still try to

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atone for the things that you did wrong and even

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though you've probably done far more right than

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Box! Cheddar Box! Right, you've got an album

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coming out which we're going to chat about in

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detail when it comes out. When is it coming out

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actually? Well, I'm not sure. I think it would

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be late summer, early autumn. It's been mixed

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as we speak. It's called, that's why I wrote

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this song. Yes, yes. And I thought if ever there's

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a great story, a title for an album, it will

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intrigue people to see well what's that about?

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And so that's what I thought, well I hope that

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has the effect. Sure. Last time we spoke, it

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wasn't the last album I guess, you were doing

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a concert, was it St Martin in the Field? St

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Pancras, St Pancras Old Church. Oh the Old Church,

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oh it's beautiful that is, yes. Oh my god, thank

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you. Yes so many people we chat to are there,

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yes of course. And I think you were giving a

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free copy of the CD or something? Yeah I gave

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copies to the album to everybody and I'll tell

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you a little story if we've got time Nick about

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that. So I plan to do it in the June of 2024.

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Again, I got ill. I knew I wasn't match fit.

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But there's a guy, his name's Paul. I'm not gonna

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say his last name, but his first name's Paul.

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He's been a fan of mine since the very, very

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beginning. And Curbside, he even texted me the

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other day saying how much Curbside is one of

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his favorite albums of all time. So he's a working

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class man, doesn't have much money, lives in

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Norfolk, and he was making the journey from Norfolk

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to London to come and see me. Now he booked everything,

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he booked his tickets and everything else, and

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I cancelled. He was like, oh, Ian, no problem.

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And I know he couldn't get his money back and

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everything else. So I said, you know what, I

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have a morality here. I need to make this right.

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Covered his air his train ticket and his hotel

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for him as much as came up on a coach He took

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the day off work rights was costing him money

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to come and see me he came and And I remembered

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Paul from the time of curbside. So it was wonderful

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to connect to something but what gave me the

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most Pleasure from that was he wrote me a card

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Okay, and in that car, he obviously said thank

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you for aware But he also said to me how much

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my music had meant to him in his life and so

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I feel that like every time one person says to

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me that there is some connection between the

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music and myself that that to me that feels like

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a million people and so it's so that's why I

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wrote this song I think reflects that. And it's

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going to be fantastic talking about the new album

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when we do it. I mean, we do it before it comes

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out. We're not going to wait for it. As soon

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as I get the press release. But since we had

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the last interview, I mean, Chatterbox has obviously

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gone from strength to strength. 200 radio stations

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well now there's a podcast so all the interviews

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go on a podcast on all the platforms as well

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so we've grown to the next stage so uh whatever

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happens you are going to have a new audience

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you know even thank you so it's nice so i'm looking

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forward to sharing that album with you and uh

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you know we we give it the time it deserves like

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we've done in the past you know absolutely throwing

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a whole load of the tracks that are meaningful

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to you and stuff like that um but um before we

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let you go let's do some social medias i know

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you've got one great website so if you chuck

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all your social media at them please ian yeah

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it's obviously willsandowillin .com you can find

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me on instagram and facebook what's impressed

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what really got me i have to tell you this before

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we go right in april i had 96 listeners on spotify

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in may i've got just under 5 000 brilliant yeah

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And Newton's Law has had, I think, like one way

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or another, it's had like 20 or 1 ,000 plays

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across all the platforms streaming -wise. Now,

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that's not the same as like Springsteen or Coldplay

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or YouTube, but for Ian Wills, that's like, for

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me, that is a massive recognition for what, making

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six albums, what will be the sixth album, and

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the strength of those carry me. And what I thought

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was really cool, you know, Spotify, they've done

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now an essential... wheels and the willing so

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anybody's listening to this i know right i was

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like wow i was like winning the fa cup yes brilliant

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brilliant well with us i mean we only launched

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on february the 9th and of course it was slow

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to start with you know think oh my god we got

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29 that day you think but uh yeah uh we're now

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obviously three months in just and uh i i expect

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a minimum of 500 downloads a week now on the

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new podcast oh wonderful that's a good start

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That's really good stuff. What I'm saying is

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though 500 people is 500 people that want to

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listen to you. Yes. That's the point. So it's

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not like it's people listening to a radio at

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home and now they just listen to an interview.

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These people in my opinion on a podcast want

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to listen to you. Yes and it's great that's great

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and well done you know you deserve it you've

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been banging away like I've been banging away

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and and and you know the great thing the recipe

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of success is failure. Yes About time you have

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no idea what success feels like I had 20 years

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out of radio in the middle of that There's a

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lot of stories there, but they guess I totally

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agree. It's a great great thing, you know And

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of course you you are being called many times

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and quite rightly so the the injury of the the

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new century the Millennium so I still I still

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treasure that and you know what was really quite

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nice in making sound with the band Was Simon

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and uh donnie uh simon said to me that he felt

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like um i was now sort of in his mind lennard

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cohen and uh donnie said to me he felt like nick

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drake oh yes yes i know yeah yeah yeah so that

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was really uh you know he did quite a lot of

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stuff didn't he yeah yeah yeah i remember bless

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him rest in peace yes i know right So it's really

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nice to feel that, but the injury thing is such

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a, I wear that with pride. It means a lot to

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me, and it is quite fitting and quite right what

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you've been through and your health and everything.

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It wasn't that long ago we actually interviewed

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Chas Jank, of course we had quite a chat then.

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It's fantastic, it is well deserved of course.

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Thank you. uh yeah always love to chat longer

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but we will make a big thing of it on the what

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i do because i've got your facebook and everything

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i can always make sure by messenger we've got

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an alternative just in case there's a problem

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yes yeah next time we got that lisa sent me your

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whatsapp thing so Yeah, I'm here. We'd be good,

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mate. But we've never had a front before, so

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he's just a one -off, I'm sure, but, you know.

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But, Ian, great, every success with the single.

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Thank you. And we'll chat again with the album

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anyway. Thank you again for all your support.

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It's a pleasure, as always. Cheers, Ian. You

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know I appreciate it. Cheers, mate. Take care.

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Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. You have been listening

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to the Chatterbox Redux podcast with Sue and

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Nick and today our special guest was Ian Wills

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