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Angie, welcome back to Chatterbox. How are you?
Hello, I'm great. Thank you so much for having
me back on. You're welcome. Well, you're welcome.
When we spoke last time when you came on, I think
you'd had an EP or something. You were mentioned.
You mentioned you were working on an album. So
this is it. It's called The Ground is Changing.
and we've got nine tracks on it. So remind me,
I can't remember without looking up how long
ago it was when you were last on. How long was
this album in the planning of these nine tracks?
How long did it actually take from start to end?
It has been almost two years. It was March 2024
when I went into the studio with a plan to record
a six song EP and I came out with 14 songs. And
so now they're on the album. I already got five
more ready to go for the next one. Ah, wonderful,
wonderful. Yeah. Now I've heard them all and
I do like some of that honky -tonk type lively
stuff but let's say how would you describe the
album to somebody that's never heard you? Just
say you were out and about, how would you describe
it? If they said oh what sort of stuff you got
on your album, you know? How would you describe
it to someone? I would say it's a sassy Americana
bluegrass blend. I like that. Yeah. Definitely
on the upbeat side, you know, it centers around
a love story. But yeah, I mean, it's not traditional
bluegrass by any means. And I realized I had
to start correcting myself when I would say bluegrass,
because it does use a lot of bluegrass instrumentation.
There's mandolin, there's banjo, guitar, upright
bass, fiddle. But it really, it definitely does
not fall in the traditional world whatsoever.
I personally felt there's there's more than one
more than one well I'm not gonna say genre more
than one style on there we say perhaps so there's
nothing wrong with that at all but yeah but of
course I would know your voice even if somebody
played me say to five tracks which I've not had
the pleasure of hearing the five that you're
going to put on the next album. If somebody blindfolded
me and played me a hundred tracks, I would be
able to name you all five as being Andy Jane
songs. Yeah, I would know. Good. I really would.
We've got no problems with the vocals now. I
know Andy Jane's voice and it's unique. But I
really would. I really would. So there we go.
Awesome. Right. Well, let's start going through
this album. I know we've got one. uh singles
already been released let's talk about the single
first then we go through the album so which one's
actually the single fly away was the single it
came out in january yeah and that one is uh you
know that one i picked it because it's it's the
most traditional bluegrass and instrumentation
there's actually no drums on that one but it
just starts strong with acapella vocals uh it's
really bouncy it's fun It's super upbeat and
I feel like it really declares who I am and that's
why I chose that one as the single. Okay, so
that's track one anyway. Track two, we've got
Fool. Tell us a bit about that. Yeah, so Fool,
that one's kind of the ballad. So that one's
a little more down tempo. The premise of this
song is, so this love story that the album is
sort of centered around, was a person who was
really, you know, not particularly healthy for
me, great for my art. I love the songs that I
wrote from this relationship. But this person
was somebody who would always promise the world
and just never deliver. You know, even saying
I want to stop doing this and then just never
wanted to actually stop doing that. Just it was
all empty promises. And the hook on that is it's
almost like you wished I was a fool. Like, you
want me to believe you, which means you want
to be with a fool, which is just kind of crazy
to me. And I actually showed it to him. I showed
him this song that I had written about him. And
he said to me after listening to it, and at the
end of the song, it's, yeah, you almost, it's
almost like you wished I was a fool. And I said
that three times, repeated it. And he said to
me, the first thing was, you know, you keep saying
it's almost like you wished I was a fool, but
really aren't you the fool? And I was like, oh,
damn. So I changed the last lyric to, it's almost
like, I really am a fool. Because he was right.
Yeah. I was thinking the song could, the song
with the title fool could go to either party,
couldn't it? So it could bounce back in his direction.
Right. This could keep bouncing around this one.
At the moment it's gone back to him, so there
you go. Well, at least he knew. I'm sure we talked
about this before, happy with somebody. The Your
So Vain moment where Warren Beatty claims it's
about him. This is about this guy, isn't it?
He doesn't think, he knows, that's even better.
Yep, exactly. I think he agreed. Fantastic, even
better. Track three, we've got Teardrop Island.
Yeah, Teardrop Island. That one was actually
written with this person that I was in this relationship
with. And that one was pretty cool. We were at
a music festival and I started telling him the
story of this little island in the creek where
I grew up as a kid that my best friends and I
would go down there shaped like a teardrop and
we would, it was tiny, but we would try to fit
three of us on this little island because an
island is so special to a child, you know. And
I went back as an adult and I was going to show
my nieces this little teardrop island. I was
like, you guys want to come see teardrop island?
And we get down there and it's gone. It has washed
away as islands do in running creeks. And I was
telling this story to this fella and he got out
a notebook and he started writing. And I was
like, oh, you have inspiration. I'll shush up
and I'll let you write it. And he's like, no,
no, keep going. And so I kept talking and he
started writing and he started writing lyrics.
And when we got back home from that festival,
we sat down and we built that song and a lot
of its imagery from my childhood. But really,
it is the premise of the album because it is
about how the ground is always changing and.
You can appreciate the way things used to be,
but don't get too attached to them because it's
gonna grow, it's gonna evolve, the trees are
gonna fall, the meadows are gonna burn, the islands
are gonna wash away, and you have to figure out
where you belong in that growing, evolving, and
changing world. We were aware of Teardrop Island
before, weren't we? Yeah, I thought so. Didn't
it come from, was it Peacock Farm, was it Peacock
Farm EP, or something rather? Yeah, that was
on the live studio EP. I know that we, yeah.
I don't want to say anything just in case I was
wrong, but yeah. Yeah, you're right. That one
was just with a trio. um you know it's just a
live a live take so i really wanted to do the
song justice and give it the full um yeah the
full studio experience well that'd be the first
time we played the studio version so there you
go so yes sorted uh okay track number four uh
the one you're crying over yeah that's a barn
burner you guys great title yes thank you um
yeah this one could be a little confusing if
you don't really buckle in and listen to the
lyrics because it's about two different people
okay so yeah the story was uh it was this is
really the story that began all the stories in
in this particular love tale because i was heartbroken
over somebody that was just supposed to be a
little casual fling and uh and he just disappeared.
And I was sad. And I ran to this best friend
of mine for comfort. And in that moment, I realized
that he was the one that I really loved. I did
not love the one that I was actually crying over.
And so it was a, oh, wow, holy shit moment. Oh,
can I say that? Sorry. or whatever time in the
evening, you can have the F word on Radio 2 on
the BBC. Wow. Different times as to what time
the words can come on. But you're fine on that.
That could be. We're in the clear. That'd be
two o 'clock in the afternoon. You'd be all right.
That's a mild one, isn't it? So you certificate?
Yeah. General. But yeah, it's a G certificate
in America. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. A thousand little
lies. And you've heard this one as well. I've
heard all the track. I have heard them all myself.
Sue hasn't. She likes them to be a surprise for
when the show goes out or if we put them on hit
or miss. So she's not heard them. I've heard
the whole album though. Sure. Well, this one
was also one that I did live in the studio. So
that came out on the Peacock Farm EP as well.
Just as, well actually that one was a five piece
version, but I wanted to once again do the whole
production for that. So yeah, this one was kind
of an interesting story. I've always been really
fascinated with con artists. I dated somebody
who lost his entire life savings and the life
savings of his family and his partner because
he was conned by a con man. And I'm like, whoa.
And he told me the story and I'm like, wow, like
to put so much risk into like a person, that
person has to be so genuine. They have to sell
it so well. They have to be such a good liar
in order to hook you in for that much money.
And then I just started thinking about what if
I were that con woman, not me particularly, but
like putting myself in the position of that person
that you used all of the good things about yourself,
all of your charisma, all of your ability to
love and draw people in, in order to take from
them. And that's where the story of Thousand
Little Lies went. Cool. That's an interesting
one, so a little bit different to being ripped
off by a Ponzi scheme then, this is big time
and a personal. Big time, yeah. So could this,
do you think, I mean I listen to it again with
an open mind now. I've heard that from you, but
do you think somebody listening at home, do you
think that could open up to meaning something
different to different people? Like there could
be some one of these. Oh, yeah. It's been a victim
of being a love cheat and things like that and
had lost all the money in that way. Somebody
we say we won't typecast anybody, but we say
they probably come from an African call center.
That's not what's being taken in by something
like that. We say, yeah, one of these love cheats,
something like that. It could be in a relationship
where the person doesn't exist or got a double
family, even. Exactly. Yeah, I mean, it definitely
what it's really embodying is that inner struggle
when you are lying, when you're actively lying
and you have to deal with it. It's, you know,
you've got the ghosts all buttoned down. Don't
look them in the eye. Don't let them out. I know
how you try and try. Still, they keep you up
at night. Those thousand little lies. So, I mean,
anything. anything that you're lying about. I
was just thinking of a compliment, but yeah.
I just love the titles of the songs. They're
brilliant. How about you, Bill? Thank you. It
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two buildings? Yeah. It's all buildings! So that
one's the cover on the album. Not a super well
-known cover, but it seemed really appropriate
for me. It's a John Hartford cover I I only started
listening to John Hartford when I moved to Nashville.
I learned about him and He's much like John Prine
and then he's like playful and he's funny But
he's still very poignant and very creative and
very smart in his songwriting in this particular
song is about Getting a job and going to work
in tall buildings and missing out on all the
beautiful things in life because you just got
to get into the grind. And I thought it was it
was a good one to include on the album because
I had to get a job in order to afford to record
this record. So I had to go to work in tall buildings,
even though I'm only on the second floor. Okay,
track seven, we've got running out of time. Yeah,
this is the fun one. This is my favorite. My
favorite rowdy one on the record. I just, man,
I tell you what, I feel like I am always running
out of time. I have this tendency towards being
like stressed. And when I have something on my
list, instead of thinking, okay, I'm gonna do
that this week. my mind goes to you should have
already had it done. So I just get this idea
that I'm always running out of time. And that
hook came to me. And the hook is, why do I always
feel like I'm running out of time? Instead of
going step by step, I feel like I ought to be
flying. Oh, why do I always feel like I'm running
out of time? So I had that hook and I had it
for like six months and I kept coming back to
it and I kept singing it and I was like one of
these days I'm gonna write a really good song
around this and I brought it to a couple people
I was like maybe we could co -write it because
I felt like I was stuck and then one day it just
like it came to me like that and it was just
bouncy and fun and I played it for a couple people
what I had so far and they're like it really
kind of reminds me of Dolly's 9 to 5. And I'm
like, oh, okay. So then I, I had to call out
Dolly in the bridge. So, so she gets a little
shout out in the bridge of the song, but it's
a fun one. It's a fast one. It's silly. This
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me crazy is track 8. Yeah, that's the duet on
the album. I've got Wild Bill from Wild Bill
and the Bruisers is joining me on that one. And
it is inspired by John Primes In Spite of Ourselves,
which also gets a call out in the song. And it's
just about this couple that may be a little insufferable
in their own ways and how they still stick together
and they still love each other. But they don't
really have very many redeeming qualities, I
would say. I think John Prine gave his characters
a few more redeeming qualities. This was definitely
a clashy part of our relationship that I wrote
this song. Wonderful. And then we have track
nine, Endless Mornings. Yeah, this one's actually
low -key my favorite song on the record. It's
got beautiful three -part harmonies. It's got
a great key change in it. And this is just how
it felt to be with somebody who couldn't really
see outside of their own perspective, you know,
had some narcissistic tendencies. And the title,
Endless Mornings, is what I would always experience.
So we would have a fight the night before. And
the next day I would wake up and I would just
want to rectify the situation. I would want to
connect. I would want to talk it out. I would
want to come to some sort of peace. And he would
still be sleeping and his phone would be dead
until deep into the afternoon or maybe evening.
And so I'm just sitting here in this unsettled
state. all morning. And the only thing that I
could do in these situations was write songs.
It was the only thing that gave me peace. It's
the I mean, as songwriters, that's our therapy.
So they were my they were my endless mornings.
And that's, yeah, that's how I wrote that one.
Sure, sure. When did the album come out? It's
literally just come out, just coming out. Good
day! It is today! February 13th, Friday the 13th,
the day before that. I was going to say Friday
the 13th, but wasn't quite sure. You've got the
date and you're better, couldn't you? But yeah,
obviously it's going to take a week or two to
get out. So yeah, like that. I'm going to ask
how you got that lovely pose, sat by that tree.
That is so beautiful. Andy's a perfectionist,
dear. I think there's a story behind it. Yeah,
there is. So I actually had a photo shoot in
my living room that has a lot of cool plants
and mirrors and curtains and things. And we had
intended to get the cover that day and I just
wasn't. I wasn't sold on any of them. What I
really wanted is I wanted vines growing up from
the ground and overtaking me. And we tried doing
some viney things with my plants in my living
room and nothing really worked. And so I called
up my friend Eli Meltzer. His little photo company
is called Nash Nouveau. And I was like, I need
to do this outside. It was the middle of winter.
This was like in December, I believe. And there
was a day that was going to be 55. And we're
like, let's get it. Let's go. And we went out
there and we did. You say perfectionist, like
not just me, but he was too. The sun had gone
down. He brought the spotlight out. And I'm like,
I feel like we probably have it. And he's like,
I am not going to stop taking pictures until
I know for sure that we have it. And sure enough,
the ones that we liked and the one that ended
up on the cover was from after the sun went down.
We had the spotlight that adds a little bit of
a yellow glow and my washboard's sitting there.
I was going to ask what that was. I wasn't quite
sure if it was a washboard. Yeah, yeah, it's
the washboard that I play on the album. I love
how the skirt lays when you sat there. It's just
perfect. I'm glad you mentioned a washboard because
that's why I don't always say something. Without
my glasses on I thought that was something they
put in the bee thing. I knew it was a washboard
because I've seen it before but I don't know
the way I've seen it. So if I'm not too sure
I just shut up it's a good job I did then. All
right we've got to laugh out of it but it's a
good job I didn't in all honesty just ask a serious
question and then no. It's better we have the
laughs now. That is beautiful. Thank you. Andy
J's new album released Friday 13th of February.
It's called The Ground is Changing. Fantastic.
Okay, Andy, what is this? What's next? You've
got five songs to the next one. So is it the
album next? Is it the gigging all the time? What
are we going to be? Right. We have a chat in
six months time. What would you like to be? Yeah.
What would you like to be? Well. Yeah, so I'm
trying to decide if I just put those five songs
out. They're almost done. I have just vocals
left to do on one of them. They're so almost
done, ready to mix and master. So part of me
just wants to put those out as an EP. And then
the other part of me wants to just record four,
maybe five more songs and put out a whole nother
album. And then that would have to be next year.
But if I go the EP route, I'll put it out this
year. Let's just get them out and then start
recording the next. It takes two to tangle And
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Cheddar Box Giving you all you need to know about
musical entertainment Cheddar Box Cheddar Box
Cheddar Box Cheddar Box I've got to say one thing
and you're probably aware like with Hit and Miss
and things that the British audience can be not
knockin' them all because I mean if you came
and did some concerts here you'd pack out venues
and we'd love to see you as well but they're
very funny about covers very funny about songs
being done as covers and I thought that your
version of Crazy it should have won won the bloody
season, let alone struggled. What an amazing
cover. How exciting it was. I love it. But in
the UK, don't say anything like Noel Sparkle.
I think that's the point of doing the cover,
but they don't quite get it. Some covers could
be better. Yeah, so, but concert wise, I think
it'd be amazing, wouldn't it? But we're certainly
going to be pushing your tracks. They will all
get played at some point or another on our live
shows. But I just wanted to say, Crazy was amazing.
Oh, thank you. Glad you like it. No, it just
was. It was the excitement of standing so different
as well. And so far. And so fast. Right. I can't
remember the lead singer from Null Sparkly now,
but I hope he's heard it. And I really hope he
has heard it because it's such a great different
take. It's almost because it's such a different
take. I think it's really respectful to it. You
know, it's so different. And I hope he's heard
it and I hope he likes it. There's no reason
why he wouldn't. Yeah. I mean, that's one thing
I love about Bluegrass is we often take songs
and we cover them faster. And, and that's, I
mean, that's one of it. One of my favorite things
about going to bluegrass show is here and how
they cover songs that I love and make them sound
completely different. Yeah. But don't you think
that's the idea of covering a song? There was
absolutely no point making it sound the same,
is it? You might as well just remaster it and
re -release it. Right, exactly. It's like Sam
Ryder, didn't he? He did Bohemian Rhapsody. I
can't say that word. It's actually better than
the original. That's my opinion. It's a matter
of opinion, but he's the one person that's actually
pulled off a cover of Bohemian Rhapsody and made
it sound good. It's a hard one, isn't it? That's
a tough one. How many people have we heard kill
it? I wouldn't want to attempt it. I hate when
somebody picks that on karaoke night, I will
tell you what. I'm like, this is about to be
a drunken mess for seven and a half minutes.
I don't know. Squeaking like a mouse on the Galileo
bit. Yeah, I mean, but sometimes they're at least
very funny about it. But never does it sound
good, not one time. Nick has done the squeaky
part singing Galileo. I've done all sorts, but
not in karaoke. Sorry, what was that? Oh, no,
that's great. I would love to hear it sometime.
It's only when he's heard the song saying he
sings along with it and it's just, yeah. Well,
I have to do my own backing. I know. We won't
go into backing. No, we won't go that far. It's
another story. It's another story. He's also
done backhoe vocals for Ray Dorsett, Mungo and
Jerry in the summertime. Yeah, that was something
else. That's for a joke, darling. We interviewed
him and I said to him, could you sing a couple
of the song? And he did. It's as long as you
come and do the backing vocals. I'm sure you
know Mungo Jerry in the summertime, massive hit
in the early 70s but you know it's a classic
and of course yeah of course by the time I done
it I was going this bloke was just singing along
to it I mean it did do very well in the USA but
I think you've got I think it was number one
in the UK for six weeks it was the mega hit and
he just said well I don't know if that was the
best or worst backing I've ever had but Yeah,
you know. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. So, I mean,
I think we must pay homage at this moment to
Chris Spear, of course, because without Chris
Spear we would never have met you. And I'm glad
that Pals Cross because we've got nothing like
you in the UK and we don't want anything like
you because we've got you. So I'm certainly grateful
to him for that. Yes, absolutely love Chris.
He's got great taste in music. I have to say
everybody that I've heard that he's been pushing
out just really great, you know, artists that,
you know, we're smaller artists. So we really
need the support of people like Chris, like you
guys. It really means the world that you guys
lift us up. and put our music out there, so thank
you and thanks to Chris. It means the world to
us for you to come on and let us interview you.
Yeah, it's a shop window for them, isn't it?
But it's like with Hit or Miss or The Chatterbox
Show, now we do the records as well, we say.
So we've got your songs in your interview. We
have to at least two interviews a week But there's
all the time before in between the interviews
and they were now playing songs a lot of Chris
artists Chris's artists get in there So some
of your tracks from the album would be getting
in there on other weeks. So awesome That's a
good shop window as well. So basically it's a
shop window, but we always say like with hit
or miss or Whatever the show maybe we just say
that the the the stars are the artists of course
it's not nick and sue we put it together we presented
but hit me or chatterbox the stars are the guests
we're not stars yeah we don't we don't do that
no we're presenters but we're not like well famous
you guys are and that's how it is that's what
the show's about yeah You know, we have show
as a live show on a Thursday. I have one on a
Saturday We talk about what we do on those shows
That's our time, but we don't write. Yes, it's
you guys. So yeah, that's what it's about Well,
I love the hit or miss show I love the I love
the chat room So if you if you're listening now
and you haven't been in the chat room You should
definitely join the community really cool people
it support and love great music. Thank you And
anything for Andy, because we've got to do her
social media and let her go. No, I've got nothing
at the moment. Well, you'll have to be messaging
her otherwise, because this is going to finish
in a minute. I know that. It's not waffing. Chatterbox.
Yes, dear. Andy, social media, how can people
that are listening, especially for the first
time, how can they take a look at you? Where
can they find out more about you? What social
media have you got? Sure. Well, the most important
thing to know is I'm Andy with an I. So A -N
-D -I -J -A -N -E. Music is most of my social
media. That's Instagram, that's TikTok, Facebook.
If you just want to go to my website, I've got
links to everything. So andyjane .com, A -N -D
-I -J -A -N -E .com. And you can find videos,
my YouTube, I always put up new videos all the
time. So you can get songs beyond what's on Spotify.
And I do post a lot on TikTok and Instagram.
So try to keep it fun, try to keep it interesting.
And did you mention YouTube? You did mention
YouTube, because I know that. Yes. Definitely
seen some of your videos on that. Yeah, definitely
have. So yeah, brilliant. Well, Andy, it's been
great catching up with you. and uh absolutely
next time yeah we wish you every success with
with your album the ground is changing and as
Sue says we look forward to the next time Adi
-Jay it's been great and uh looking forward to
the next time already and thank you so much for
coming back on to chat with us yeah we'll do
the best to luck with your music correct absolutely
thank you so much Nick and Sue -Elle it was great
to chat with you cheers Adi bye bye now okay
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