WEBVTT 00:00:01.550 --> 00:00:05.990 And now here they are, Nick and Sue on Chatterbox. 00:00:06.150 --> 00:00:09.470 When the stars talk, they talk to Nick and Sue. 00:00:29.710 --> 00:00:32.630 the Chatterbox Redux podcast. I'm Nick and I'm 00:00:32.630 --> 00:00:36.049 your host and today our special guest is Christopher 00:00:36.049 --> 00:00:57.850 Wise. Nick and Sue with Chatterbox giving you 00:00:57.850 --> 00:01:02.070 all you need to know about musical entertainment. 00:01:03.710 --> 00:01:09.250 Oh yeah! Chatterbox, the best interviews with 00:01:09.250 --> 00:01:22.209 Nick and Sue. Chatterbox, the best news We're 00:01:22.209 --> 00:01:24.150 just lucky enough to welcome Christopher Wise. 00:01:24.390 --> 00:01:25.930 Christopher, welcome to Chatterbox. How are you, 00:01:26.030 --> 00:01:28.790 sir? I'm good, Nick. How are you doing? I'm good, 00:01:28.790 --> 00:01:31.290 thank you. I'm good, yeah. Yeah, we're all good. 00:01:32.049 --> 00:01:35.170 Looking forward to summer, so roll it on. Yeah, 00:01:35.209 --> 00:01:38.030 that's what we want here. Right on the South 00:01:38.030 --> 00:01:39.909 Coast, it's beautiful, so yeah, bring it on. 00:01:41.310 --> 00:01:43.450 We're one of the few places in the South Coast 00:01:43.450 --> 00:01:45.750 where in July, you get dolphins and porpoises, 00:01:45.769 --> 00:01:47.310 which you don't get in England much, so we get 00:01:47.310 --> 00:01:49.049 right off where we are on the seafront here. 00:01:49.900 --> 00:01:51.980 Looking forward to it. There you go. Yeah. I'm 00:01:51.980 --> 00:01:54.579 right in the middle of the US, you know, and 00:01:54.579 --> 00:01:57.159 we don't get any of that stuff. There's no water. 00:01:57.280 --> 00:01:59.959 There's hardly a hill. It's just kind of boring. 00:02:00.219 --> 00:02:03.299 So I'm kind of dreaming about what it looks like 00:02:03.299 --> 00:02:05.540 where you are today, Nick. But what you're going 00:02:05.540 --> 00:02:07.060 to have to do, you're going to get yourself over 00:02:07.060 --> 00:02:09.159 to the UK again and you're going to have to do 00:02:09.159 --> 00:02:10.719 a tour and you have to make sure you come to 00:02:10.719 --> 00:02:13.500 the south coast because we are only 35 miles 00:02:13.500 --> 00:02:15.639 from Brighton, which is a big city, very vibrant 00:02:15.639 --> 00:02:17.699 city. So if you don't come to Hastings where 00:02:17.699 --> 00:02:20.860 I am, come to Brighton, you know. I'm going to 00:02:20.860 --> 00:02:23.199 put that on my very short invitation list. I 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:27.300 don't have a lot of invitations. It's a place 00:02:27.300 --> 00:02:30.939 to be. Okay, now I was reading a bit about you 00:02:30.939 --> 00:02:34.039 and quite interesting. I mean, I love the song 00:02:34.039 --> 00:02:35.860 you brought out like for Valentine's and that 00:02:35.860 --> 00:02:38.199 sounds really good. I've been playing it a little 00:02:38.199 --> 00:02:42.479 bit. However, normally I would be chatting to 00:02:42.479 --> 00:02:45.520 people about their careers, how they made it, 00:02:45.639 --> 00:02:47.400 how they didn't make it, where they've been. 00:02:47.719 --> 00:02:50.439 But you didn't get into a studio until, will 00:02:50.439 --> 00:02:53.620 you tell us, was it 65 or something? Yeah, I 00:02:53.620 --> 00:02:57.199 think I was right at about 65 when I went to 00:02:57.199 --> 00:03:00.439 a studio to make my first record of a song of 00:03:00.439 --> 00:03:04.840 mine and this is not 1965 this is 865 started 00:03:04.840 --> 00:03:07.460 that's very good i could have been you're looking 00:03:07.460 --> 00:03:10.439 at me if people can see me they they would know 00:03:10.439 --> 00:03:13.620 that but yeah you know i i went off and i i had 00:03:13.620 --> 00:03:15.379 a different world and a different career and 00:03:15.379 --> 00:03:18.419 a different life and uh did music on the side 00:03:18.419 --> 00:03:21.419 and sang in bands you know cover bands and through 00:03:21.419 --> 00:03:25.919 a crazy set of circumstances uh was convinced 00:03:25.919 --> 00:03:29.340 to write my own music uh and uh and we did and 00:03:29.340 --> 00:03:32.020 we made a record and it took off i had no idea 00:03:32.020 --> 00:03:34.659 what would happen i had no plans for what to 00:03:34.659 --> 00:03:36.900 do with the record other than at that point in 00:03:36.900 --> 00:03:38.719 my life i wanted to make the record and we made 00:03:38.719 --> 00:03:40.819 the record and when i was done i was like we 00:03:40.819 --> 00:03:43.580 did it but that's when it all started that's 00:03:43.580 --> 00:03:46.120 the crazy thing nick i thought i thought the 00:03:46.120 --> 00:03:49.479 goal had been achieved the thing had just started 00:03:49.479 --> 00:03:55.860 it was crazy okay so you do that but Basically 00:03:55.860 --> 00:03:59.520 the recording studio thing was based on some 00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:02.900 poems that you'd written, turned them into songs, 00:04:03.039 --> 00:04:06.560 recorded them as songs I believe. And when was 00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:08.479 that? Was that last year or when did you do that? 00:04:08.479 --> 00:04:11.659 Well, I actually went into the studio in 2022. 00:04:11.659 --> 00:04:15.219 I think it was May of 2022. And sort of my little 00:04:15.219 --> 00:04:17.139 backstory behind it, if you wanted, you know, 00:04:17.360 --> 00:04:21.220 I had been in cover bands and we were more bluesy 00:04:21.220 --> 00:04:23.399 than anything. So I really kind of got into the 00:04:23.399 --> 00:04:25.639 blues. I discovered the blues by being a blues 00:04:25.639 --> 00:04:27.920 singer. I mean, that's where I got to it. You 00:04:27.920 --> 00:04:29.800 know, I got in with these guys and they're playing 00:04:29.800 --> 00:04:31.980 all these blues classics, Key to the Highway 00:04:31.980 --> 00:04:34.459 and, you know, on and on it goes. And it's like, 00:04:34.459 --> 00:04:36.500 man, I got to get into this, and I did, and I 00:04:36.500 --> 00:04:39.000 got into it big time. So one of the things I 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:41.420 wanted to do was do more than sing, I wanted 00:04:41.420 --> 00:04:43.680 to play the harmonica. So I picked up a harmonica, 00:04:43.699 --> 00:04:46.720 and I actually went to a harmonica camp in Clarksdale, 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:49.879 Mississippi. And if you and I went down to Clarksdale, 00:04:49.879 --> 00:04:52.879 Mississippi today, Nick, there would be a bunch 00:04:52.879 --> 00:04:56.899 of people from the UK there. Really, it's the 00:04:56.899 --> 00:05:01.040 center of where the blues... began right there 00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:03.439 in the Mississippi Delta. So I went for a week 00:05:03.439 --> 00:05:06.139 to work on Blues Harmonica. Believe it or not, 00:05:06.240 --> 00:05:08.579 you can go there and stay for a week and work 00:05:08.579 --> 00:05:12.100 on the Blues Harmonica. And I met a guy who became 00:05:12.100 --> 00:05:16.480 great friend, mentor, co -writer and producer. 00:05:16.730 --> 00:05:20.230 Ralph Carter, there, who was an instructor. Ralph 00:05:20.230 --> 00:05:22.930 was kind of rock and roll royalty in his younger 00:05:22.930 --> 00:05:25.970 days. He wrote songs and toured and was tour 00:05:25.970 --> 00:05:27.930 musical director with Eddie Money, who was a 00:05:27.930 --> 00:05:32.329 great rock and roller back in the 80s. And somehow 00:05:32.329 --> 00:05:35.069 I'm in this setting in the Mississippi Delta 00:05:35.069 --> 00:05:37.889 drinking in the blues and probably drinking an 00:05:37.889 --> 00:05:42.550 adult beverage with this guy, Ralph Carter, who 00:05:42.550 --> 00:05:46.290 tells me after a few days at the camp, hey, man, 00:05:46.490 --> 00:05:48.569 you can do this." It was almost like, hey kid, 00:05:48.610 --> 00:05:51.310 you can do this. Well, I'm like 60 years old, 00:05:51.610 --> 00:05:53.629 but he was like, hey little buddy, you can do 00:05:53.629 --> 00:05:55.329 this. And I'm like, what do you mean? He goes, 00:05:55.569 --> 00:05:57.930 you could do this, man. You got to start writing 00:05:57.930 --> 00:06:00.209 your own stuff. And blah, blah, blah. He said, 00:06:00.230 --> 00:06:01.709 we're going to make a record one day. I said, 00:06:01.750 --> 00:06:03.470 I'd love to be on your record. He goes, no, we're 00:06:03.470 --> 00:06:07.209 making your record. Your record. And I'm like, 00:06:07.449 --> 00:06:10.129 OK, fine. So I go home. I go back to my world. 00:06:10.149 --> 00:06:12.370 I'm an advertising guy. That's what I was. I 00:06:12.370 --> 00:06:15.029 own an ad agency. And I was a writer. I've been 00:06:15.029 --> 00:06:17.170 a writer forever. I got five books in print. 00:06:17.269 --> 00:06:19.230 I've written millions of words that people have 00:06:19.230 --> 00:06:21.889 paid me to write. And so I'm a writer, but I'd 00:06:21.889 --> 00:06:25.250 never written a song. And so Ralph said, you 00:06:25.250 --> 00:06:28.009 got to start writing songs. And one day I read 00:06:28.009 --> 00:06:31.129 an article about a new studio in Muscle Shoals 00:06:31.129 --> 00:06:33.930 that this guy had bought this old mansion and 00:06:33.930 --> 00:06:36.370 kind of refurbed it into a recording studio where 00:06:36.370 --> 00:06:40.089 the band can stay for the week. And away we go, 00:06:40.209 --> 00:06:42.649 and so I snapped a picture of it, I texted it 00:06:42.649 --> 00:06:45.790 to Ralph, he's out near Los Angeles, California, 00:06:46.009 --> 00:06:48.209 you know, way out on the west coast. I'm here 00:06:48.209 --> 00:06:51.250 kind of on the eastern part of the U .S. And 00:06:51.250 --> 00:06:52.870 I said, hey man, here's where we're gonna make 00:06:52.870 --> 00:06:56.670 our record. To be honest, it was a joke. And 00:06:56.670 --> 00:07:00.670 he said, yeah, it looks good. When do we record? 00:07:01.350 --> 00:07:04.509 And I could tell he wasn't kidding. And I went 00:07:04.509 --> 00:07:05.889 back to him and I was like, Ralph, I don't have 00:07:05.889 --> 00:07:08.410 any songs written. And he goes, well, You better 00:07:08.410 --> 00:07:12.829 get started. Yeah. So we talked and I mean, I 00:07:12.829 --> 00:07:16.029 think it was 12 weeks later. I met him again 00:07:16.029 --> 00:07:19.410 in Mississippi. I picked him up at the airport 00:07:19.410 --> 00:07:23.189 in Memphis, Tennessee. Great music spot in the 00:07:23.189 --> 00:07:26.930 US. We drove 90 minutes to Clarksdale, Mississippi. 00:07:27.370 --> 00:07:30.170 We sat there for three days on a picnic bench 00:07:30.170 --> 00:07:32.910 with a pile of lyrics. I had written maybe 15 00:07:32.910 --> 00:07:36.500 or 20 songs in those 12 weeks. And they were 00:07:36.500 --> 00:07:39.240 just words on paper at that point. You said poems. 00:07:39.519 --> 00:07:44.800 I would say, no, probably more lyrics. And we 00:07:44.800 --> 00:07:46.860 sat there and made them into songs and recorded 00:07:46.860 --> 00:07:50.759 them on my iPhone, little demos. And Ralph was 00:07:50.759 --> 00:07:54.740 the music, you know, brilliance and genius. You 00:07:54.740 --> 00:07:56.839 know, I contributed the words and then we collectively 00:07:56.839 --> 00:07:59.379 worked on it together and improve both sides 00:07:59.379 --> 00:08:02.959 of it. And at that point, he said, I'll produce 00:08:02.959 --> 00:08:06.420 the album. I'll do it in Muscle Shoals. Well, 00:08:06.480 --> 00:08:08.620 in fact, I think I had already booked the recording 00:08:08.620 --> 00:08:11.199 time before he and I ever met to make them into 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:15.600 songs. It's like, look, I'm 65 years old. I have 00:08:15.600 --> 00:08:18.439 to do this. I'm not sure why, but I have to do 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:24.000 it. And so we took those demos. He auditioned 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:26.740 studio musicians. He wrote charts. We showed 00:08:26.740 --> 00:08:28.860 up on a Monday morning. We got there actually 00:08:28.860 --> 00:08:30.819 Sunday night, but Monday morning I met the band. 00:08:30.980 --> 00:08:33.320 I didn't know these guys. I didn't know how you 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:35.120 do a recording session. I didn't know what I 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:37.740 would do. Ralph said, don't worry about it. I'll 00:08:37.740 --> 00:08:41.500 handle it. You just stick with me, friend. And 00:08:41.500 --> 00:08:44.539 he's a very unassuming man. And I was like, I 00:08:44.539 --> 00:08:48.100 trust you. I trust you. And a week later, at 00:08:48.100 --> 00:08:49.440 the end of the week, we walked out of there with 00:08:49.440 --> 00:08:52.539 our record. It didn't have a name. My band didn't 00:08:52.539 --> 00:08:56.240 have a name. I didn't have a name as a performer. 00:08:57.309 --> 00:09:00.190 And so I had this record and then through some 00:09:00.190 --> 00:09:03.690 crazy circumstances got connected with a record 00:09:03.690 --> 00:09:05.610 label in Memphis, Tennessee, and they signed 00:09:05.610 --> 00:09:08.950 us a big radio records. Sam Phillips is nephew, 00:09:09.110 --> 00:09:11.889 the great Sam Phillips of Sun Studios and Sun 00:09:11.889 --> 00:09:14.620 Records. He started a company called Selecto 00:09:14.620 --> 00:09:20.000 Hits run today by Johnny Phillips who also runs 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:22.159 the big radio records label and he signed me 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:24.879 to a record deal to put out this album called 00:09:24.879 --> 00:09:38.860 Stuck in the Mud. The funny thing is, I'm bouncing 00:09:38.860 --> 00:09:41.899 around Nick, but When I was on my way down to 00:09:41.899 --> 00:09:45.039 pick up Ralph at the airport in Memphis, this 00:09:45.039 --> 00:09:47.460 was for us to take my lyrics and try to make 00:09:47.460 --> 00:09:51.279 them into songs. I looked down at my GPS of my 00:09:51.279 --> 00:09:53.820 Ford Explorer SUV that every American drives, 00:09:54.019 --> 00:09:57.220 right? So I'm looking down there and I'm like, 00:09:57.379 --> 00:10:00.580 where in the heck am I? And it's like three hours 00:10:00.580 --> 00:10:02.840 from Memphis. So I'm three hours from Memphis. 00:10:03.460 --> 00:10:07.500 I'm like, oh man, that's a song. And so the first 00:10:07.500 --> 00:10:10.860 song on our record is that we, our first debut 00:10:10.860 --> 00:10:13.299 album is Three Hours from Memphis. So I'm in 00:10:13.299 --> 00:10:15.139 the car there and I have this idea about this 00:10:15.139 --> 00:10:17.279 guy, you know, it's fictional. He's going to 00:10:17.279 --> 00:10:19.320 Memphis, he's going to meet some big record guy 00:10:19.320 --> 00:10:22.159 and he's going to be a star. So that was kind 00:10:22.159 --> 00:10:24.200 of what the song was about. So I'm in the car 00:10:24.200 --> 00:10:27.799 and I mean, in a flash, I had the idea in my 00:10:27.799 --> 00:10:30.149 head. for the song, the whole song, every bit 00:10:30.149 --> 00:10:32.490 of it, the whole, the way the song worked, the 00:10:32.490 --> 00:10:35.730 story. And I was like, I was like scared. It 00:10:35.730 --> 00:10:38.610 was like, I don't want to stop driving. I'm in 00:10:38.610 --> 00:10:41.429 this groove. And so I reached over and grabbed 00:10:41.429 --> 00:10:43.929 a little. The notepad, I have a notepad that 00:10:43.929 --> 00:10:46.590 has little pieces of paper like this. That might 00:10:46.590 --> 00:10:49.909 even be some of the lyrics, but and I wrote the 00:10:49.909 --> 00:10:53.070 song on the little console as I was driving down 00:10:53.070 --> 00:10:57.169 the road at 65, 70 miles an hour. And I remember, 00:10:57.169 --> 00:10:59.840 you know, Took me about an hour and I had the 00:10:59.840 --> 00:11:02.259 song done just on these little scraps of paper. 00:11:02.340 --> 00:11:04.759 And then two days later, we made it into a song. 00:11:04.779 --> 00:11:09.059 Twelve weeks later, we recorded it and everything. 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:13.419 And the funny thing is, Nick, that song. I didn't 00:11:13.419 --> 00:11:17.279 realize it was it was autobiographical. It was 00:11:17.279 --> 00:11:21.200 about me. I wrote about meeting a guy, a music 00:11:21.200 --> 00:11:24.720 man in Memphis. I didn't know anybody in Memphis, 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:28.830 but and. I got introduced to a guy in Memphis 00:11:28.830 --> 00:11:33.210 long after the album was made. So the story of 00:11:33.210 --> 00:11:36.190 the song played out in my life, but I wrote it 00:11:36.190 --> 00:11:38.470 before it happened and I didn't know it. I mean, 00:11:38.509 --> 00:11:40.929 you talk about bizarre. And so now when I get 00:11:40.929 --> 00:11:43.529 an inkling about music or somebody says, would 00:11:43.529 --> 00:11:46.470 you be interested in doing this? I just say yes, 00:11:46.490 --> 00:11:49.049 because I'm not sure what it's about, but I'm 00:11:49.049 --> 00:11:52.120 sure not going to say no. So there you go. That's 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:54.720 a great sign. If you can predict things that 00:11:54.720 --> 00:11:57.139 well, I'd like the lottery numbers for Saturday, 00:11:57.320 --> 00:11:59.600 please. Can you do that? That's a good prediction, 00:11:59.740 --> 00:12:02.399 wasn't it? I love it. It was. You shouldn't call 00:12:02.399 --> 00:12:03.700 it what you like. Well, that's wonderful how 00:12:03.700 --> 00:12:08.200 that works out. Yeah, it did. And so there we 00:12:08.200 --> 00:12:11.169 had this album and I... I did it unlike other 00:12:11.169 --> 00:12:12.690 people, other people, you know, they have a band, 00:12:12.710 --> 00:12:15.250 they go around, they play little gigs and, and 00:12:15.250 --> 00:12:17.250 backyards and then bigger gigs and blah, blah, 00:12:17.350 --> 00:12:18.789 blah. And then they write their own music and 00:12:18.789 --> 00:12:22.110 then they get a record. Well, I did it exactly 00:12:22.110 --> 00:12:24.970 the opposite. I did a record and then we got 00:12:24.970 --> 00:12:27.889 it out there. So we did it the opposite because, 00:12:28.110 --> 00:12:29.690 and you know, Nick, I couldn't have done it any 00:12:29.690 --> 00:12:32.730 other way because. Am I going to do that? Starting 00:12:32.730 --> 00:12:36.129 at age 65, start and play little gigs? I was 00:12:36.129 --> 00:12:38.870 in a band, we were a cover band. We did festivals, 00:12:39.149 --> 00:12:41.850 not big festivals, little things, wine festivals, 00:12:42.629 --> 00:12:45.789 beer things. We had a lot of fun with it, but 00:12:45.789 --> 00:12:48.070 it wasn't going to get us anywhere. So I had 00:12:48.070 --> 00:12:50.750 to get the record out there and that traveled 00:12:50.750 --> 00:12:54.830 out and got us going. It traveled for us. Wonderful. 00:12:55.289 --> 00:12:58.470 Let's move you to 2025. It looks like this bit 00:12:58.470 --> 00:13:00.929 was quite a good year for you. Pretty good. Yeah. 00:13:01.309 --> 00:13:04.850 So we were talking about the Roots Music Reports 00:13:04.850 --> 00:13:10.009 top 100 blues albums of 2025. Now, a lot of artists 00:13:10.009 --> 00:13:12.350 out there turning out stuff like that. However, 00:13:13.009 --> 00:13:17.029 you were the only artist to have had two albums 00:13:17.029 --> 00:13:23.649 on that 2025 chart. Yeah. I mean, again, it's 00:13:23.649 --> 00:13:26.029 crazy. You look, you know, look at the names 00:13:26.029 --> 00:13:27.990 on that. They're all the blues acts, you know, 00:13:28.330 --> 00:13:31.600 and I'm the only artist that got two of them 00:13:31.600 --> 00:13:34.700 in there. So it was my debut album. And then 00:13:34.700 --> 00:13:37.240 I did a follow -up album, which was a live album, 00:13:37.500 --> 00:13:40.779 because I had to keep stuff going. I'm not out 00:13:40.779 --> 00:13:43.500 touring. I'm not out in front of fans. So I said, 00:13:43.500 --> 00:13:45.299 let's do a live album and just put it out there. 00:13:45.480 --> 00:13:48.440 We'll record. We'll do the first album. We'll 00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:52.919 record it as a show. And we did. And so then 00:13:52.919 --> 00:13:56.000 the second album does well. And as you say, both 00:13:56.000 --> 00:13:59.860 of them ended up, which is crazy. albums I don't 00:13:59.860 --> 00:14:02.100 I'm new to the whole business but I don't think 00:14:02.100 --> 00:14:04.279 they hang around that long that's why it's so 00:14:04.279 --> 00:14:07.779 unusual to have two albums that would land in 00:14:07.779 --> 00:14:10.200 the top hundred one of them I think somewhere 00:14:10.200 --> 00:14:12.759 in the 20s and one of them down in the 90s but 00:14:12.759 --> 00:14:14.299 one of them was a new album one of them was a 00:14:14.299 --> 00:14:16.820 year old and and it's still hanging around there 00:14:16.820 --> 00:14:20.299 yeah to be honest with you my my in albums in 00:14:20.299 --> 00:14:22.419 general in various charts whether it be a top 00:14:22.419 --> 00:14:25.419 like might be the billboard 200 albums or it 00:14:25.419 --> 00:14:30.500 could be the uk top 100 albums Out of experience, 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:35.659 I think the albums that are lower down hang around 00:14:35.659 --> 00:14:41.139 much longer. The peak is so slow, it's not a 00:14:41.139 --> 00:14:44.379 bad thing. It's just bubbling out the top 20 00:14:44.379 --> 00:14:47.580 or the top 30. It's not actually a bad thing. 00:14:47.720 --> 00:14:49.700 Not if you're hanging around for a year, it's 00:14:49.700 --> 00:14:52.360 not, is it? You know, and I know I do believe 00:14:52.360 --> 00:14:54.120 that the lower down albums the ones that don't 00:14:54.120 --> 00:14:57.279 something, you know You got albums that have 00:14:57.279 --> 00:15:00.120 got some money behind them And there's this big 00:15:00.120 --> 00:15:02.039 don't matter what chart is it could be this one. 00:15:02.120 --> 00:15:03.779 We're talking about it could be on the billboard 00:15:03.779 --> 00:15:06.100 chart It is irrelevant. Really. It has a push 00:15:06.100 --> 00:15:09.320 from a record company. It has that big hit It's 00:15:09.320 --> 00:15:11.519 dropping down in the singles chart in the uk. 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:14.259 The average number one. Um is in the charts four 00:15:14.259 --> 00:15:20.600 weeks That's the number one Yeah club it's So 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:22.960 that's why I'm saying, I think the fact is that 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:27.200 it's a lower down charting albums. That's hence 00:15:27.200 --> 00:15:30.039 the longevity, which is good. And also people 00:15:30.039 --> 00:15:32.139 may be talking about the first album. This is 00:15:32.139 --> 00:15:35.779 a guy's first album. And that might be the one 00:15:35.779 --> 00:15:38.379 that's giving it legs as well. So it could be. 00:15:38.840 --> 00:15:40.259 Yeah. And you know, we've been on it. I hope 00:15:40.259 --> 00:15:43.440 it's around for 2026 end of year as well. Yeah, 00:15:43.580 --> 00:15:46.820 it just keeps going, which is really cool. And, 00:15:46.860 --> 00:15:48.419 you know, we've been on other charts. There's 00:15:48.419 --> 00:15:50.580 all sorts of charts. I mean, I'm not going to 00:15:50.580 --> 00:15:53.159 be on a pop chart. I'm not a pop artist. We're 00:15:53.159 --> 00:15:56.360 in that blues genre and Americana genre here 00:15:56.360 --> 00:15:59.200 in the U .S. We sometimes find ourselves there. 00:15:59.480 --> 00:16:03.080 But, you know, our stuff's been so well received 00:16:03.080 --> 00:16:07.919 in Europe, in the UK, France, Australia, Canada. 00:16:08.240 --> 00:16:12.340 We just have a lot of of interest and that's 00:16:12.340 --> 00:16:18.700 what I love maybe about England and Europe in 00:16:18.700 --> 00:16:21.480 general is just the appreciation for music, maybe 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:24.659 more so than in the U .S. I feel. I just feel 00:16:24.659 --> 00:16:28.279 that especially sort of the genre I'm in, the 00:16:28.279 --> 00:16:32.860 blues, of just the reverence for that music is 00:16:32.860 --> 00:16:38.269 tremendous. in the UK. It's tremendous in France 00:16:38.269 --> 00:16:42.070 and all over, of course, Europe. In the UK, that's 00:16:42.070 --> 00:16:46.110 a very appreciative audience. be quiet and listen 00:16:46.110 --> 00:16:48.409 and enjoy it they will give your applause at 00:16:48.409 --> 00:16:50.110 the end and they'll give you know a rapturous 00:16:50.110 --> 00:16:54.070 applause at the end but um so let me say a little 00:16:54.070 --> 00:16:56.090 more sophisticated if that's the right wording 00:16:56.090 --> 00:16:58.190 and they're not all millionaires and well -to 00:16:58.190 --> 00:17:00.490 -do people living in merchants but they are yeah 00:17:00.490 --> 00:17:02.970 there's that sort of background and uh yeah um 00:17:02.970 --> 00:17:05.710 you'll notice that in the uk the type of venues 00:17:05.710 --> 00:17:07.950 that uh you probably get booked in and things 00:17:07.950 --> 00:17:10.910 like that there might be more wine bars or larger 00:17:10.910 --> 00:17:16.119 places yeah yeah As opposed to a pub in the back 00:17:16.119 --> 00:17:21.019 street or club. The places to book that are different 00:17:21.019 --> 00:17:23.759 as well. Jazz clubs and blues clubs and things. 00:17:24.700 --> 00:17:28.000 I had the pleasure of recording with Emma Wilson 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:31.779 who's a an English blues singer. We both work 00:17:31.779 --> 00:17:35.160 with Selecto Hits. Johnny Phillips, Big Radio 00:17:35.160 --> 00:17:37.119 Records is my label. She's on a different label, 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:39.640 but we both distribute around the world through 00:17:39.640 --> 00:17:41.740 Selecto Hits, which is the company. And they 00:17:41.740 --> 00:17:44.740 introduced us. And so she and I did a Christmas 00:17:44.740 --> 00:17:47.339 song that I wrote, and then she helped co -wrote. 00:17:47.799 --> 00:17:50.059 And Ralph Carter jumped in and helped write as 00:17:50.059 --> 00:17:53.319 well. And so we did that one. And that was just 00:17:53.319 --> 00:17:57.720 such a delight. And she had one day in her schedule. 00:17:58.279 --> 00:18:00.380 Uh, she said, well, I'm touring, I'm doing a 00:18:00.380 --> 00:18:03.160 little tour of the mid south in the U S I got 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:05.039 one day where I'm not doing something. I said, 00:18:05.119 --> 00:18:08.099 Hey, if I wrote a song, would you record it with 00:18:08.099 --> 00:18:11.960 me? She said, yeah. So crazy, just crazy. We 00:18:11.960 --> 00:18:14.480 booked a studio and they happened to have one 00:18:14.480 --> 00:18:17.200 day open in the next six months. I tried and 00:18:17.200 --> 00:18:20.059 tried to find a studio, Johnny Phillips, who 00:18:20.059 --> 00:18:21.940 again, through the Phillips family, he said, 00:18:22.359 --> 00:18:25.400 relax pal. I'll see if I can make something happen. 00:18:25.420 --> 00:18:29.609 And he got us with a Royal studios. Famous studio 00:18:29.609 --> 00:18:32.390 Al Green recorded everybody's recorded at Royal 00:18:32.390 --> 00:18:35.049 and we recorded with their band the high rhythm 00:18:35.049 --> 00:18:38.549 section and put out a couple of Christmas tunes 00:18:38.549 --> 00:18:41.390 and That was that was just a delightful thing 00:18:41.390 --> 00:18:44.869 to do And and particularly to be able to do it 00:18:44.869 --> 00:18:47.490 with Emma who has such a good audience in the 00:18:47.490 --> 00:19:06.730 UK and in Europe okay so let's get to 2026 now 00:19:06.730 --> 00:19:09.670 we got this sort of a valentine's there's two 00:19:09.670 --> 00:19:11.470 on to talk about we've got this valentine's thing 00:19:11.470 --> 00:19:16.609 so her name in my song love i love the picture 00:19:16.609 --> 00:19:19.869 lots of those love heart sweets with a broken 00:19:19.869 --> 00:19:22.569 one her name in my song is the big one in the 00:19:22.569 --> 00:19:25.069 front so christopher wise and the tellers so 00:19:25.500 --> 00:19:29.519 uh that was uh for valentine's day and we've 00:19:29.519 --> 00:19:32.220 got another release that came out on march the 00:19:32.220 --> 00:19:36.619 fifth this ain't that tell us about that yeah 00:19:36.619 --> 00:19:39.380 well i'll go back i'll start with the uh i'll 00:19:39.380 --> 00:19:41.700 call it the valentine's tune but yeah it's anything 00:19:41.700 --> 00:19:45.920 but a valentine's tune lovely i like it's actually 00:19:45.920 --> 00:19:50.680 a breakup song man so i had this idea of uh You 00:19:50.680 --> 00:19:54.839 know, the punchline of this thing is this guy 00:19:54.839 --> 00:19:58.779 will never ever under any circumstances put her 00:19:58.779 --> 00:20:01.460 name in my song. I mean, that's kind of what 00:20:01.460 --> 00:20:03.700 it is. So it's kind of a twist. And I thought, 00:20:03.779 --> 00:20:05.819 well, I'm going to see if I can write sort of 00:20:05.819 --> 00:20:08.319 instead of a love song, maybe a hate song. This 00:20:08.319 --> 00:20:15.400 dude hates her. So you listen to the song and 00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:18.319 it actually has such a beautiful, beautiful music 00:20:18.319 --> 00:20:22.420 to it that I just simply adore. But the lyrics 00:20:22.420 --> 00:20:25.680 are, I mean, this guy is, he's ticked off, man. 00:20:25.680 --> 00:20:27.900 He's not happy. And he's not gonna put her name 00:20:27.900 --> 00:20:30.140 in a song. And then it became a real challenge 00:20:30.140 --> 00:20:33.259 for me. I thought, can I write a song about a 00:20:33.259 --> 00:20:35.640 girl and have it be a love song, which is really 00:20:35.640 --> 00:20:38.319 a hate song, and not put her name in the song? 00:20:38.319 --> 00:20:41.099 And I did it. we never mentioned her name in 00:20:41.099 --> 00:20:44.220 the song. And people come to me and they'll say, 00:20:44.279 --> 00:20:46.000 they listen to the song, say, all right, Chris, 00:20:46.019 --> 00:20:48.099 who was the gal that dumped you, man? I mean, 00:20:48.119 --> 00:20:50.299 who is this girl? I'm like, I made the whole 00:20:50.299 --> 00:20:52.980 thing up. I never had this happen to me. I just 00:20:52.980 --> 00:20:56.619 made it up. I had an email come to me, how the 00:20:56.619 --> 00:20:59.039 guy found me. I think he was from Bulgaria. He 00:20:59.039 --> 00:21:02.440 goes, I am convinced. I know who she is in the 00:21:02.440 --> 00:21:10.740 song. Her name is Katrina. Yeah, man, if that's 00:21:10.740 --> 00:21:13.339 who you think it is, you just go with that. That's 00:21:13.339 --> 00:21:16.539 good, man. And I said, no, there's no girl. It 00:21:16.539 --> 00:21:20.359 was all made up. A traitor in Bulgaria. Yeah, 00:21:21.039 --> 00:21:23.380 so she's there somewhere. He's running around. 00:21:23.660 --> 00:21:27.079 Yeah, OK. He's over there mad in Bulgaria about 00:21:27.079 --> 00:21:29.740 some girl who's dumped him, I guess. But, you 00:21:29.740 --> 00:21:31.559 know, it's so funny. That's what's great about 00:21:31.559 --> 00:21:36.220 songs. Oh, brilliant. You knew there had to be 00:21:36.220 --> 00:21:39.589 someone somewhere. Yeah, he's taking this thing 00:21:39.589 --> 00:21:42.950 real seriously. I'm like, dude, I'm just goofing 00:21:42.950 --> 00:21:47.349 around. But we played it serious. No, I actually 00:21:47.349 --> 00:21:49.750 love the song. It's one of my favorite songs 00:21:49.750 --> 00:21:53.849 that we've done. But I just had a ton of fun 00:21:53.849 --> 00:21:57.569 with it. I think I may have told you I was a 00:21:57.569 --> 00:22:01.339 writer before I did this. I mean, I'm a hired 00:22:01.339 --> 00:22:05.180 gun, man. You give me an assignment and a deadline, 00:22:05.279 --> 00:22:07.680 and I'll get it done. People say, well, how could 00:22:07.680 --> 00:22:09.640 you write this album and do your first album 00:22:09.640 --> 00:22:12.440 when you're 65 years old? You met in 12 weeks 00:22:12.440 --> 00:22:14.440 after you agreed to do it. It's like, I had a 00:22:14.440 --> 00:22:16.940 deadline. I used to write for a newspaper. I 00:22:16.940 --> 00:22:19.119 used to write for a magazine. I'm an ad guy. 00:22:19.480 --> 00:22:22.690 They don't wait for you to get your. ad done. 00:22:23.009 --> 00:22:25.210 You get your stuff done or you can't live in 00:22:25.210 --> 00:22:27.029 this business. I've even done lots of freelance. 00:22:27.250 --> 00:22:29.750 I know how that works. No, the deadlines do not 00:22:29.750 --> 00:22:31.970 work, end of. Well, you miss that, yeah. You 00:22:31.970 --> 00:22:34.130 don't miss a deadline. And if you're freelancing, 00:22:34.269 --> 00:22:35.730 you miss that, you don't get any more work at 00:22:35.730 --> 00:22:38.309 all. No. So I think people don't understand, 00:22:38.710 --> 00:22:40.789 you know, the hard thing for me was to agree 00:22:40.789 --> 00:22:42.569 to Ralph to do it because I knew if I agreed 00:22:42.569 --> 00:22:44.410 to it, I'd do it. Yeah. And I knew it would be 00:22:44.410 --> 00:22:49.319 hard work. And so I put it off. But not for very 00:22:49.319 --> 00:22:51.579 long, so we eventually did it. So the second 00:22:51.579 --> 00:22:54.160 song, I'll get back to this one, Nick. The second 00:22:54.160 --> 00:22:58.259 song is another kind of goofy song. I actually 00:22:58.259 --> 00:23:00.680 recorded both of these songs in Muscle Shoals 00:23:00.680 --> 00:23:03.900 in 2022. And I didn't do anything with them because 00:23:03.900 --> 00:23:06.400 they were kind of outliers. They didn't really 00:23:06.400 --> 00:23:08.519 fit the vibe of the rest of the album, my first 00:23:08.519 --> 00:23:12.519 album, which was pretty much blues most of the 00:23:12.519 --> 00:23:15.519 way. And so I. I just kind of had these songs 00:23:15.519 --> 00:23:18.420 laying around and I played them for Scott Sexton. 00:23:18.579 --> 00:23:20.200 He's a guy in the music business, you know, and 00:23:20.200 --> 00:23:22.640 I played it for my record label. And they're 00:23:22.640 --> 00:23:24.680 like, both of these, they're like, what are you? 00:23:24.809 --> 00:23:27.009 how come you haven't released these songs you 00:23:27.009 --> 00:23:30.930 knucklehead these are great and uh so whatever 00:23:30.930 --> 00:23:33.410 i'm like really they're like yes you have to 00:23:33.410 --> 00:23:36.089 release this song so the second one is this ain't 00:23:36.089 --> 00:23:39.730 that yeah and this was based on i just you know 00:23:39.730 --> 00:23:42.150 as a songwriter and you know you're a writer 00:23:42.150 --> 00:23:46.009 you know things pop into your head so i had this 00:23:46.009 --> 00:23:49.190 phrase pop into my head this ain't that and that's 00:23:49.190 --> 00:23:51.589 where it's at and so i thought well that's kind 00:23:51.589 --> 00:23:55.309 of funny that's It's kind of like me and you, 00:23:55.349 --> 00:23:59.190 you're in school, and I'm over here, but all 00:23:59.190 --> 00:24:01.930 the cool people are over there. They left me 00:24:01.930 --> 00:24:05.069 out. This ain't that. And that's where it's at. 00:24:05.430 --> 00:24:08.009 So I thought, well, I'll write a song about that 00:24:08.009 --> 00:24:09.849 someday. And then I thought, well, I got to tell 00:24:09.849 --> 00:24:11.529 the story. And it's like, no, I'm not going to 00:24:11.529 --> 00:24:13.710 tell the story. I'm just going to make it a total 00:24:13.710 --> 00:24:16.730 kind of nonsense song that really doesn't have 00:24:16.730 --> 00:24:20.750 any meaning. And so that was my idea. My inspiration 00:24:20.750 --> 00:24:23.289 for this song was a great Louis Prima. And I 00:24:23.289 --> 00:24:25.289 don't know if you know Louis Prima, but a lot 00:24:25.289 --> 00:24:28.230 of people know the song Jump, Jive, and Whale, 00:24:28.589 --> 00:24:31.509 which was a song from the 50s. A great jump song 00:24:31.509 --> 00:24:35.589 and great high energy. And so that was kind of 00:24:35.589 --> 00:24:37.970 the inspiration. And one of the things I loved 00:24:37.970 --> 00:24:40.529 about Louis Prima's Jump, Jive, and Whale... 00:24:40.569 --> 00:24:42.910 was the fact that it didn't mean anything. It 00:24:42.910 --> 00:24:45.210 was just a bunch of kind of nonsense to a cool 00:24:45.210 --> 00:24:47.910 beat that got you up and kind of got you moving, 00:24:47.950 --> 00:24:50.769 man. So I thought, can I write a song like that? 00:24:50.849 --> 00:24:53.849 I've written serious songs. I've written my friend 00:24:53.849 --> 00:24:55.670 got murdered songs. I mean, I've written all 00:24:55.670 --> 00:24:58.069 sorts of things. This guy's a drunk and he's 00:24:58.069 --> 00:25:00.690 not going to make it. I mean, I write blues songs. 00:25:01.069 --> 00:25:03.230 And then I thought, can I write just a nonsense 00:25:03.230 --> 00:25:07.309 song? So there you go. This ain't that. And we 00:25:07.309 --> 00:25:10.960 had a lot of fun. And to make it even more nonsensical, 00:25:11.680 --> 00:25:14.019 we were in the studio recording it with Ralph. 00:25:14.259 --> 00:25:16.339 And I remember he and I are in the control room, 00:25:16.359 --> 00:25:18.759 and maybe somebody's out there playing a solo 00:25:18.759 --> 00:25:20.940 part or something, some instrument. I said, hey, 00:25:20.940 --> 00:25:24.619 Ralph, how would you feel if we put a kazoo on 00:25:24.619 --> 00:25:27.380 this song? He's like, oh, kazoo, man. I love 00:25:27.380 --> 00:25:30.579 it. Let's do it. And I go to Michael, who runs 00:25:30.579 --> 00:25:32.700 the studio. I say, Michael, you got any kazoo's 00:25:32.700 --> 00:25:36.140 over here? He's like, we got kazoo's here? No, 00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:38.730 no kazoo's in the studio. And he's like, Dylan, 00:25:38.769 --> 00:25:41.970 get over here. Dylan's the intern. Dylan, get 00:25:41.970 --> 00:25:44.609 over here. Get in the car and go to the music 00:25:44.609 --> 00:25:47.730 shop and buy some kazoos. So boom, he goes down 00:25:47.730 --> 00:25:51.130 the road and comes back. And he can now say he 00:25:51.130 --> 00:25:53.130 spent his summer getting kazoos for Christopher 00:25:53.130 --> 00:25:56.130 Wise and the Tellers. But he comes back with 00:25:56.130 --> 00:25:59.250 kazoos. And so we put the kazoo on there. And 00:25:59.250 --> 00:26:01.009 it's like, I got this part. And I'm kind of playing 00:26:01.009 --> 00:26:03.730 it. And it goes up high. And I'm like, I can't 00:26:03.730 --> 00:26:05.990 play it. So I'm like, how many kazoos we got? 00:26:06.670 --> 00:26:08.309 Oh, good. We got a couple of them. So I say, 00:26:08.529 --> 00:26:11.569 can somebody play the tenor part, kazoo, the 00:26:11.569 --> 00:26:13.950 kazoo tenor, the tenor kazoo, and I'll play the 00:26:13.950 --> 00:26:16.930 bass kazoo. And so we had two kazoo's and then 00:26:16.930 --> 00:26:19.710 I put a harmonica in the middle of it. So that 00:26:19.710 --> 00:26:22.789 contributes to the hijinks of the song. I was 00:26:22.789 --> 00:26:24.730 just listening. I just watched a movie the other 00:26:24.730 --> 00:26:27.369 day about the great George Martin, the producer 00:26:27.369 --> 00:26:30.420 who used to produce. you know, silly stuff, comedy 00:26:30.420 --> 00:26:33.339 records and Peter Sellers and The Goon Show and 00:26:33.339 --> 00:26:36.680 all that stuff. And so maybe this had a little 00:26:36.680 --> 00:26:39.920 bit of a tribute to all my great British comedian 00:26:39.920 --> 00:26:42.220 kind of folks out there who went ahead of me. 00:26:42.460 --> 00:26:45.559 But it was just to be funny and the songs out 00:26:45.559 --> 00:26:48.740 there and I did have somebody. send me a note 00:26:48.740 --> 00:26:51.440 on Facebook or something. Oh, I really, you know, 00:26:51.480 --> 00:26:53.839 I got such great meaning out of this song. I 00:26:53.839 --> 00:26:55.700 don't know if they were kidding, but it's like, 00:26:56.140 --> 00:26:58.319 no, you didn't. You might need some help. There's 00:26:58.319 --> 00:27:01.200 nothing here. Oh, they're on some good stuff. 00:27:01.980 --> 00:27:03.880 Could be that. You never know. Something's in 00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:05.539 the water. Could be anything. This is Nick and 00:27:05.539 --> 00:27:07.619 Sue with Cheddar Box, giving you all you need 00:27:07.619 --> 00:27:12.140 to know about musical entertainment. Cheddar 00:27:12.140 --> 00:27:16.490 Box. Cheddar Box. I've got to ask you, while 00:27:16.490 --> 00:27:18.569 we're talking about things like that, what did 00:27:18.569 --> 00:27:21.410 you answer the guy in Bulgari? Did you actually 00:27:21.410 --> 00:27:23.190 say, yeah, yeah, that's her? Did you actually 00:27:23.190 --> 00:27:28.349 say, you should have done? I should have done 00:27:28.349 --> 00:27:31.410 it, but I think I just thought the easy way and 00:27:31.410 --> 00:27:35.670 told the truth, Nick. I said, well, it wasn't 00:27:35.670 --> 00:27:38.630 actually anyone particular, but have a nice day. 00:27:39.930 --> 00:27:41.630 Good luck with your life, you're going to need 00:27:41.630 --> 00:27:48.829 it. So, Kate, we'll do your social media in just 00:27:48.829 --> 00:27:50.970 a moment before I let you go. What's your next 00:27:50.970 --> 00:27:54.109 plan for 2026? More singles? Another album? You 00:27:54.109 --> 00:27:56.250 know, a couple of things have happened in the 00:27:56.250 --> 00:27:59.190 last two months. I've done two recording sessions 00:27:59.190 --> 00:28:03.970 in Nashville, Tennessee. I've gotten asked to 00:28:03.970 --> 00:28:08.809 start doing some music for television and movies. 00:28:10.190 --> 00:28:14.490 Nothing to announce, no big scores yet, but I 00:28:14.490 --> 00:28:17.869 have recorded several things and got a great 00:28:17.869 --> 00:28:20.650 producer in Nashville now I'm working with to 00:28:20.650 --> 00:28:23.829 make songs for that world and he's been very 00:28:23.829 --> 00:28:26.509 successful and we hope it happens. These songs 00:28:26.509 --> 00:28:28.809 were a little bit more country in nature and 00:28:28.809 --> 00:28:31.650 it's really fun like to write for a movie. I 00:28:31.650 --> 00:28:33.650 got a little thing, here's like three sentences 00:28:33.650 --> 00:28:36.569 about the movie and it's like, give us this theme 00:28:36.569 --> 00:28:39.000 song. And so, you know, again, I'm just having 00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:42.200 fun with all this. It's like, heck yes, man, 00:28:42.380 --> 00:28:44.900 because I remembered Jim Riley, the producer. 00:28:45.019 --> 00:28:46.880 He's like, hey, I got to have we got to be recording 00:28:46.880 --> 00:28:49.660 this in 10 days. He goes, you're going to have 00:28:49.660 --> 00:28:51.259 to have something written in a day or two. I 00:28:51.259 --> 00:28:53.960 said, I'll take it. Give it to me. And, you know, 00:28:53.960 --> 00:28:57.099 I wrote it overnight. And a few days later, we're 00:28:57.099 --> 00:28:59.299 recording it in the studio. And I can't wait 00:28:59.299 --> 00:29:01.200 for that one to get out there. We'll we'll release 00:29:01.200 --> 00:29:03.779 it as a single as well. I don't care what happens 00:29:03.779 --> 00:29:08.500 to it in the in the movie world. And then I'll 00:29:08.500 --> 00:29:10.960 be meeting Ralph Carter once again this time 00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:15.000 in May in Clarkstone, Mississippi with another 00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:17.500 pile of lyrics. He and I are going to produce 00:29:17.500 --> 00:29:20.279 another album of originals. I've got one song 00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:22.660 written and I've got some work to do and a deadline, 00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:25.819 but that's all right. You'll be good. I just 00:29:25.819 --> 00:29:27.259 want there to be another Katrina somewhere. I 00:29:27.259 --> 00:29:29.299 don't care what she's called. When we meet next 00:29:29.299 --> 00:29:30.680 time, come and talk about the album when you've 00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:33.369 sorted it all out. I might write a song about 00:29:33.369 --> 00:29:35.569 a guy writing me from Bulgaria. That might be 00:29:35.569 --> 00:29:38.849 a good song. I'll do it. I'll just do a song 00:29:38.849 --> 00:29:42.430 called Katrina. Yeah. And then if he says, well, 00:29:42.490 --> 00:29:44.410 is this about Katrina? And I said, no, no, this 00:29:44.410 --> 00:29:46.390 is about Katrina and the waves, this one. No, 00:29:46.430 --> 00:29:48.509 no, no. Nick, here's the way I write songs. I'm 00:29:48.509 --> 00:29:50.390 going to give you the title of the song. Her 00:29:50.390 --> 00:29:54.130 name wasn't Katrina. That'll be my song. Very 00:29:54.130 --> 00:29:56.970 good. And then in the song, I won't tell you 00:29:56.970 --> 00:30:00.589 what her name is again. Again. Brilliant. I love 00:30:00.589 --> 00:30:03.980 it. I'm going to write that down. Her name wasn't 00:30:03.980 --> 00:30:06.119 Katrina. That might be on the next album. I'll 00:30:06.119 --> 00:30:07.740 keep you posted, man. I'll tell you what. Not 00:30:07.740 --> 00:30:09.259 only the next album, it's got to be on the next 00:30:09.259 --> 00:30:11.119 interview. Make sure that's our follow -on, all 00:30:11.119 --> 00:30:14.819 right? Well, this has been a blast. I could do 00:30:14.819 --> 00:30:17.099 this every day with you, man. Yeah. Oh, yeah. 00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:21.119 Yeah. It's what I do. I just like meeting real 00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:23.559 people. And, you know, like I say, as I say, 00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:26.799 there could be A -list as well. Susie Cottro 00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:28.460 is the regular on here. You know her, obviously. 00:30:28.859 --> 00:30:31.390 Great. Great rock chick. You know. She's just 00:30:31.390 --> 00:30:33.670 a normal person deep down gives her opinions 00:30:33.670 --> 00:30:35.890 does that and boy is she funny. It's just what 00:30:35.890 --> 00:30:39.329 it's like We just chat as people You got something 00:30:39.329 --> 00:30:41.210 to sell i've got a show that I need to guest 00:30:41.210 --> 00:30:44.109 on it works really well You know what I mean? 00:30:44.109 --> 00:30:47.109 You know One time, you know nick I was talking 00:30:47.109 --> 00:30:49.650 to ralph carter and ralph got started I mean, 00:30:49.650 --> 00:30:52.930 he's probably I don't know maybe 20 years old 00:30:52.930 --> 00:30:56.029 and he's playing in front of 25 000 people with 00:30:56.029 --> 00:30:58.849 eddie money and so i'm like ralph I feel like 00:30:58.849 --> 00:31:01.079 I missed out man. I wish I would have done the 00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:03.500 music thing and, you know, I became an advertising 00:31:03.500 --> 00:31:07.579 guy. And now I'm getting it to it way later in 00:31:07.579 --> 00:31:09.380 life. And, you know, I feel like, you know, I 00:31:09.380 --> 00:31:12.200 don't know, maybe I'm just a little wishful thinking, 00:31:12.200 --> 00:31:14.700 you know, regretful that I didn't do it. He goes, 00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:18.559 no, believe me, it worked out perfectly. And 00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:22.359 if I would have done this at age 25, would I 00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:25.000 have been any good? No, I don't think I would 00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:28.720 have. I had to get beat up and run a business 00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:31.990 and write. write advertising and books and do 00:31:31.990 --> 00:31:34.549 all sorts of things. You may be, I can't talk, 00:31:34.710 --> 00:31:37.009 I don't know. Obviously we don't know the 20, 00:31:37.049 --> 00:31:40.750 21 year old Christopher Wise, but you did. But 00:31:40.750 --> 00:31:42.529 when the music business then was a hell of a 00:31:42.529 --> 00:31:44.450 rat race, you were 20, that would have been your 00:31:44.450 --> 00:31:47.890 living. Yeah. A different thing. You had to, 00:31:48.049 --> 00:31:49.470 you'd be forced to write stuff you probably didn't 00:31:49.470 --> 00:31:50.930 want to write, where you're writing stuff you 00:31:50.930 --> 00:31:53.289 do want to write now. Right. Things like that. 00:31:53.470 --> 00:31:56.329 We haven't got much time left. What I'd like 00:31:56.329 --> 00:31:59.869 to do is do some social media So uh, chuck up 00:31:59.869 --> 00:32:02.650 web websites any social media you got chuck it 00:32:02.650 --> 00:32:05.990 out them now, please Yeah, facebook. So christopher 00:32:05.990 --> 00:32:08.329 wise and tellers on facebook. We've got fans 00:32:08.329 --> 00:32:11.009 all over the world, which is really fun So, you 00:32:11.009 --> 00:32:12.990 know follow us all that kind of stuff. We're 00:32:12.990 --> 00:32:15.470 putting stuff up all the time Our youtube channel 00:32:15.470 --> 00:32:18.109 is just blowing up. We've got we're getting close 00:32:18.109 --> 00:32:21.049 to 10 000 subscribers We put up youtube's all 00:32:21.049 --> 00:32:25.569 the time in the studio Rehearsal doing stupid 00:32:25.569 --> 00:32:27.829 things, you know, you name it we got stuff there 00:32:27.829 --> 00:32:30.450 YouTube channel So Christopher wise and the tellers 00:32:30.450 --> 00:32:33.309 you can certainly subscribe there So I really 00:32:33.309 --> 00:32:36.349 focus just on Facebook and YouTube and and then 00:32:36.349 --> 00:32:39.049 our website I am a writer and I've written everything 00:32:39.049 --> 00:32:40.769 there and once you get there you're gonna say 00:32:40.769 --> 00:32:43.460 whoa Why'd you write so much? It's like I'm a 00:32:43.460 --> 00:32:46.980 writer, man. That's what I do. So our website's 00:32:46.980 --> 00:32:50.299 christopherwise .com. Christopher, W -Y -Z -E 00:32:50.299 --> 00:32:52.980 .com. There's a bunch of stuff up on there too. 00:32:53.220 --> 00:32:56.339 So love to have everybody join us. And just to 00:32:56.339 --> 00:32:57.960 get there while we're thinking about it, Christopher 00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:04.160 Wise, the Wise is spelt W -Y -Z -E being the 00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:07.420 English pronunciation. So don't go putting in 00:33:07.420 --> 00:33:12.269 W -I -S -E. It's W -Y -Z -E. and you probably 00:33:12.269 --> 00:33:14.490 find them anyway, but there you go. So yeah, 00:33:14.609 --> 00:33:16.410 all good. That'll do it. Yeah, that'll get everybody 00:33:16.410 --> 00:33:18.769 there, Nick. And we're on every streaming platform, 00:33:18.869 --> 00:33:20.569 you know, all over the world. We've got a great 00:33:20.569 --> 00:33:23.369 distributor in selecto hits out of Memphis. And 00:33:23.369 --> 00:33:25.529 so they get our music everywhere. You can look 00:33:25.529 --> 00:33:28.819 at it, whatever you listen to. I must say I do 00:33:28.819 --> 00:33:30.859 like the her name in my song I know you're doing 00:33:30.859 --> 00:33:33.700 other stuff we do do a show a live show here 00:33:33.700 --> 00:33:35.740 in the UK very popular in Europe it is called 00:33:35.740 --> 00:33:38.720 hit or miss it's a live show yeah North Sea International 00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:42.259 we're just get to the end of the season but And 00:33:42.259 --> 00:33:44.759 that I would be quite keen on entering I will 00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:47.480 let you know if we do and the listeners votes 00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:51.180 for it and there's all sorts of stuff so I listen 00:33:51.180 --> 00:33:53.099 to what else you bring out but that one I think 00:33:53.099 --> 00:33:55.240 would be a really good one for the mainstream 00:33:55.240 --> 00:33:57.839 audiences to listen to first to get to know you 00:33:57.980 --> 00:34:00.140 Oh, that would be so much fun. Leave it with 00:34:00.140 --> 00:34:03.660 me and I'll keep you posted on it. It's in good 00:34:03.660 --> 00:34:05.980 hands. You get your fans to do it. But I do it 00:34:05.980 --> 00:34:07.960 with my partners too, that show. And it's on 00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:09.780 a Sunday night here in the UK. It's a very, very 00:34:09.780 --> 00:34:11.619 popular show. And people vote for what they think 00:34:11.619 --> 00:34:14.719 is going to be a hit or a miss. That's fantastic. 00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:16.760 Love to have you do it. Take it away, man. That's 00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:20.559 great. OK. Anyway, Christopher Wise, it's been 00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:23.599 great meeting you, even though it's an hour later 00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:28.019 than it should have been or whatever. I haven't 00:34:28.019 --> 00:34:30.760 been told it's my fault. Yeah, of course. People 00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:33.000 who change the clock. I have the same person 00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:38.280 in my home, Nick. You've got this one full time, 00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:42.260 anyway. It's a great pleasure. I should be in 00:34:42.260 --> 00:34:44.940 on it next time, probably. Pleasure meeting you. 00:34:45.659 --> 00:34:47.119 And yeah, I'm looking forward to this going out 00:34:47.119 --> 00:34:50.239 and sharing this with the UK audience. And Christopher 00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:52.380 Weiss, thank you for coming on Shatterbox UK. 00:34:52.860 --> 00:34:54.900 It's a pleasure, Nick. Thank you. Thank you. 00:34:55.260 --> 00:35:28.639 Bye bye. Cut! You've been listening to the Chatterbox 00:35:28.639 --> 00:35:32.119 Redux podcast with me Nick and today our special 00:35:32.119 --> 00:35:36.360 guest was Christopher Wise. 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