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Programme, UARP isn't it, yes. So we met you
through there and obviously we spoke to many
people from Martin Sutton and Kate Miso, we had
some great artists from there, all very interesting,
all of a very high standard as well and you're
just the next to them that we come and interview,
we've never met a bad one yet so there we go.
So let's start at the beginnings always good
before you met them of course let's start at
the beginning let's talk about you growing up
as a as a kid we're saying what sort of music
were you listening to at home what what was being
played at home what are your parents into because
a lot of it is guided from what is in a record
collection or CD collection at home so what was
in that collection that might have started you
on your journey? So it was a really eclectic
mix. My mom was a big Who fan. My dad was into
Bowie and like everything from like Bowie to
Stevie Wonder to Van Halen. So it was a big mix.
But yeah, I think it all influenced me in some
sort of way. I think it's safe to say that. But
again, at this stage, I know stuff about you
that they don't yet about your music. So yeah,
okay. So when you got to becoming a teenager
and stuff like that, I mean, at what point did
you decide you want to be a singer -songwriter?
Does that go right back to being a kid as well?
Were you doing it back then? Yeah, so my first
performance I did, I was four and I did a duet
and it was a song called My Teddy Bear and it
was like my kindergarten graduation thing, like
pre -K. So that... sort of started the spark.
I was always performing from that point on, like
doing in America, they call it NISMA. It's like
a school program where you like learn songs and
then perform them and get graded on it. But yeah,
I was always in choirs, always in music groups,
band, stuff like that. And then when I turned
13, I was in and out of rock bands from that
point to now. Now in your press release, quite
interestingly, we do nothing, there's nothing
tabloid about Chatterbox, I promise you. I thought
you'd do that anyway. um but i'm quite interestingly
i've never never had to press release quite saying
this so uh you you describe yourself as uh non
-binary and unapologetically queer uh which is
which is a great statement no one's in any confusion
like that um just to um avoid any ignorance on
my part it would be ignorance i promise you uh
non -binary i believe is when you don't associate
with any gender at all but i don't know could
you explain what that statement is non -binary
binary and I think unapologetically queer is
probably quite explainable. But if you could
put that in your words, because this is your
press release, I know you're happy to talk about
it. So let's hear it from you. Yeah. So what
they refer to as like the gender binary being
male, female, non -binary is the sort of alternative
to that where you don't subscribe to either gender.
You can then be like. and like there's many it's
like a umbrella term so like within non -binary
you get gender non -conformists and other stuff
escapes my mind right now but it's all just sort
of yeah the the alternative to the sort of male
female binary okay does it go more depth from
that or you just or you just plod on with life
and it's not one thing or the other and you just
get on and write your songs and that's it and
you're happy with it. Is that how it is or how
does it work? I mean I put my socks on one foot
at a time but in the other reason I'm like outspoken
about it is because I feel like visibility is
really important for the queer community and
gender non -conformists like myself and I feel
like it is a relevant sort of colouring to my
music because it's my unique experience navigating
life this way, you know? Do you think it's something
that people need to be educated about a bit more
or do you find people are in shock? It makes
no difference to me, I needed it explained a
bit more, but yeah. I mean, do you feel you're
there speaking on behalf of the community, perhaps?
I mean, not really, like, It's more for me, it's
just about awareness. It's about like, being
there for the other non binary kids and the other
queer kids who are, you know, maybe going through
things but not identifying with sort of mainstream
songs because they're not written. It'll be like,
I'm writing about a boy and I'm a girl or I'm
writing about a girl and I'm a boy and this sort
of is like a statement of I'm writing about a
person to another person who could or could not
be queer and, you know, this may be your experience,
you know what I mean? It's basically just...
just open it so it's not particular. It's quite
nicely put isn't it? Do you find though, before
we move on, because we're here to talk about
you as an artist and your songs that you sent
me, do you find most people would be perhaps,
I would class it as ignorance on my part, that's
why I've had to ask you, do you find most people
are actually ignorant or do you find their bit,
oh my god no that's not right, I mean which is
the most common, is it the ignorance? I hope
it's the ignorance, but which do you think is
the most common with people? I'm sort of in a
little like when I go and play shows and stuff
like that and like talk to people I find mostly
that I'm sort of in that queer community like
in a little bubble so I don't really need to
like explain it that often like usually they
come through with like I've heard you through
the network of like the great kind of other queer
people so they don't really ask me about that
kind of stuff, but this is the first major. big
interview I've ever done, so. Let's hope we don't
listen from it, but obviously be prepared. I
mean you put it in your press release, which
is great, so be prepared to be asked, but I mean
that was an important point. An important point
to clear up, and you're quite, how do you not
put it in there? I wouldn't be asking you, of
course. No, absolutely, and I'm glad to speak
about it. If you just said you're unapologetically
clear, that's good enough, we know what that
is, but that we've opened something different
up so from people that are unapologetically straight
I don't know what the word is but no um yeah
it's good we've learned something I hope a lot
of people at home have as well so that's uh ask
a lot of questions where it's not all shock oh
my god that's not right that's it sort of yeah
and I you know I think music brings people together
of all different walks of life you know what
I mean so I think it's important to represent
like where you're about where you're at and just
be open with people fantastic fantastic right
okay so i've got an email off you some time ago
last year and uh uh through the uh uarp which
is the ultimate artist release program from martin
sutton and cat amy fantastic really uh uh that's
i said off there they've as well Everything they
bring out is fantastic. I'll always listen to
anything that anybody says that they've come
from there. I will always listen to it because
I know it'll be good. They're so nice as well.
Martin is at the top of the music business. He's
at the top there. He really is right up there.
And I just love the name Cat Amy. It's just a
lovely name. So how did you find out about the
Ultimate Artist Release Program and how did you
get on it? Yeah. I jumped on Google and I was
looking for songwriting courses to like sort
of better my craft. And I clicked through a bunch
that were like more like college courses and
they weren't like what I was really looking for.
I was looking for something a little bit more
in depth, a little bit more. like accredited
by like somebody in the industry, not like somebody
who's like a professional teacher. And then I
found Martin through, you know, going through
Google pages and yeah, I was just sold immediately.
So I signed up. And how long did it take you
to turn your song around to actually getting
it out? Really not that long. It was like a couple
months of learning more and more about songwriting.
I had already had the song recorded like sort
of bare bones. Yeah. And then we went through
it together and we remixed and we revamped and
edited things as we went along the program. So
it was it was really a really good program. I
can't say enough about it. Fantastic. And your
debut single was called Stay. What is... I've
got your press release here. I'm cheating, Barb.
I'm asking on behalf of somebody listening at
home. What's the influence of Stay and what's
it all about? So Stay is sort of this... If you've
ever been in an unrequited love sort of situationship,
kind of where you are asking the person to sort
of like, for lack of a better word, stay with
you despite any sort of adversity. So especially
being queer that came into play early on is actually
about a real life scenario where I was very young.
I was about 14 and I wasn't closeted. I was out
as a lesbian. Um, at that point I wasn't identifying
as non -binary and, um, yeah. And I was interested
in this girl who was in my class and she was
in the closet. So she was like, you know what
I mean? It was like a secret unrequited thing.
And, uh, she was like, well, you know, I would
be with you, but I have a boyfriend and, you
know, it's like a beard and, you know, and, um,
there was a lot of will they won't they sort
of tension and that's where it came from yeah
okay right so okay i hope it had a happy ending
but i've got a feeling if the song came out of
it quite possibly not so but it made a great
song it made a fantastic happy ending is that
we got we got the song out of it so you know
Through every experience, you get some sort of
payoff eventually. Cool, yeah. And of course,
the debut single, as I said, was called Stay.
And as an artist, it is called itself Hot, H
-A -R -T -E. So that's available for download.
And you all like it and download it. So that'd
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in the planning? Yeah, so I've got another song
out sort of the end of last year. It's called
Used and it sort of picks up where Stay left
off. And it's sort of about, you know, I'm very
literal with my song titles. They're very, you
get the whole gist from the title, but It's about
feeling used, you know, by an ex -partner and
how you sort of cope. And it's sort of like a
little anthem saying like, you know, screw you
to whoever treated you poorly, let's say. Is
there anybody you'd like to sing with? Oh, lots
of people, especially probably Youngblood. Right
now, I'm a big Youngblood fan, so yeah, I would
love to. Youngblood got mentioned only a week
ago also. And also, I interviewed somebody by
myself the other week who's supporting Youngblood.
Oh, cool. She's supporting Youngblood over here.
I thought, oh, wow. So there you go. Youngblood
is the artist of the moment. Yeah, brilliant.
I like that. Okay, so. What is next? What do
you got planning next? Because a singer songwriter
never stops. I mean, you must have ideas all
the time. So what's the next release going to
be, do you think? I've got a few songs recorded,
so I'm sort of still deciding which one to put
out next. But it might be. Maybe Death Proof,
which is sort of. Yeah, thank you. It's a song
about. like my friendship like with one of my
closest friends and how through the friendship
and through the time that we met in our life,
we were doing our masters and we were going out
a lot and going clubbing and stuff. I just felt
like impervious to any sort of harm like we had
like a really good like You know magnetic friendship
that just launched us both forward to do more
insane crazy stuff. So Yeah Also, let's what
about doing live stuff You know performing live
doing gigs and that and stuff. What about that
side of things? so I'm working with a an MD and
he's Dealing with like the sort of like transitions
in my set and try to make it really like professional
I've not got too many gigs booked that are electric
like full band gigs. I'm just doing acoustic
stuff right now, but Yeah, big plans for the
future this year. Absolutely At the moment, is
it just in your city? Are we looking at touring
around? Or are you, when you say big plans, does
that mean coming over here and seeing us and
doing something in the UK? I assume you're based
in the US, are you? Is that right? No, no, I'm
based in Leeds right now. Wow, that's not a Yorkshire
accent, I know that. So could we expect to see
you? Well, we're down on the south coast by Hastings,
near Brighton. Well, Brighton's a very interesting
city. So could we expect you, it's only 30 miles
along the coast, could we expect to see you performing
in Brighton, maybe? No, absolutely. Yeah. It's
definitely on my radar. But as of right now,
I think the next couple of cities I'm looking
at would be Leeds itself, Edinburgh and London.
But Brighton's definitely someplace I'd love
to play. It's up there, isn't it? It really is.
It's such a great city all round. And it is always
referred to as London by the sea. Yeah. It's
got everything. It has. It's got everything.
It's just, yeah, what a buzz. All round. Yeah,
absolutely. All round. OK, so that could all
be this year, could it? Hopefully. Yeah, it's
all just tied up in, you know, funds and, you
know, yeah, just. affording it so keep in touch
and do make sure we get the press releases when
you're doing this stuff so when you are on the
road well hopefully you've not just done that
hopefully got leads edinbury it doesn't have
to be bright because we are uh international
as a show uh but hopefully if you've got three
or four places you mentioned edinbury you mentioned
leads london I said hopefully Brighton as well
but regardless that'd be enough to get you back
on for another interview and chat about you getting
on the road so we can see the next. You're an
artist I'd like to stay in touch with as we speak
to you as your career develops so it's just an
update. We're still in contact with some of the
artists from Martin Sutton aren't we? Some of
the artists but yeah in fact one I promote so
there you go. I've got a question to ask you
then you do not have to answer it but you mentioned
something earlier You said you had, is it schizo
disorder? I can't remember. Schizo effective
disorder. Yeah, yeah. How does that affect your
music career? Does it help or does it hinder?
It means that I take like a little more breaks
than most other artists, because I find it quite
emotional and cathartic to write music. And then
at other times I find it a little overwhelming.
you know, difficult to process, but schizoaffective
disorder is, it affects like 0 .3 % of the population.
It's sort of an offshoot of schizophrenia. And
it's usually linked with like a mood disorder,
either bipolar or depression. I have the depressive
type. Um, so like it does get me down at times,
but it also influences my music quite heavily
and, um, makes me a more, I guess, like dynamic
individual. And I get to write from a lot of
different perspectives that I think a lot of
people could benefit from or, uh, relate to.
Thank you for that. Brilliant. So you say it
influences the music. Can you say it helps as
well helps you with, you know, with the depressive
side of things and that does it actually help
as well? Yeah, I think it like going through
so when you're getting treated for schizoaffective
disorder It's a combination of psychiatry and
therapy and I think it's made me more introspective
and like aware of my feelings to go through talking
therapies and um oh sorry that's my dishwasher
uh yeah i think it's just made me more self -aware
and and that self -awareness really translates
to the lyrics of what i'm doing and yeah it helps
but the best therapy of course is talking and
music of course yeah absolutely no matter what
the situation is it is Okay, well that's fantastic.
Let's hope you have another chat this year. Let's
see how you progress, but keep in touch. Yeah,
please keep in touch. It would never be as slow
as it was this time. I had you in the back of
my mind and then I thought that's an interesting
one. I think I had about two months worth of
interviews and bearing in mind it's a two hour
show and it can be three or four interviews sometimes,
between two and four we say. What's the artist's
name? What's the Northumbria one's name? Then
somebody else wrote from The Ultimate Artist.
I thought, yes, it came. And then I thought,
yes, UARP. Then I tapped in that. And then up
you came from September. Oh, cool. It was actually
another one. So yes, I do apologize. But every
so often I kept thinking. Why was that non -binary?
I really want to get them on, it's interesting.
I really want to get them on, you know, and I
like the song. So honestly, it was more to do
with it taking so long. What the hell, they're
bloody cold. How are they cold? Because I get
thousands of dollars a week, you see. No, I totally
get you, yeah. So it was meant to be, and I'm
glad it was, so keep the press releases coming.
Yeah, thank you. Before we let you go, Social
media, you've got loads of it here. Let's do
a website, whatever, let's do that. Probably
most of it can be linked from there, but yeah,
let's do the social media. Cool. So my website
is heart, h -a -r -t -e dot rocks. Yeah, I thought
it was cool, so. Yeah. And then my personal Instagram,
which I'm mostly on, is Rin Makes Music. But
I've also got Heart Makes Music, so it's all
very uniform, same across TikTok. Yeah, so if
you wanted to find me, that's how you could.
Yeah, well, I dare say the website has links
to virtually everything, but I can see here,
you're on Spotify, YouTube, TikTok. Yeah. Basically,
you're pretty good on social media, aren't you,
really? Yeah, I'd like to think so. Yeah, I think
so, but here it all is, actually. Well, I was
looking. And we wish you all the best with your
music career, okay? Yeah, for success with everything,
Rin. So, yeah, at least be safe for now. Rin
Heart, okay, Heart, thank you so much for coming
on Chatsbox. No, it was a pleasure. Thank you
so much. Really great meeting you. You take care,
Miss Pixie. All right. Thank you, see you later.
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