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Chatterbox, when the stars talk, they talk to

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Nick and Sue. Welcome back to the Chatterbox

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Redux podcast with Sue and Nick and today our

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special guest is Blue Peter and Cruff's presenter

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and former Doctor Who actor Peter Purvis. This

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is Nick and Sue with Chatterbox giving you all

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you need to know about musical entertainment

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Chatterbox, the best interviews with Nick and

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Sue Chatterbox, the best news And now on Chatterbox

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UK, we're just lucky enough. Listen to this.

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We're just lucky enough to have Peter Purvis

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from Blue Peter. Peter, welcome. How are you?

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Hi Peter. I'm fine. Thanks very much, Nick. And

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hi Sue. How are you? I am very well. How are

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you? Good. So Peter, so it's been obviously that

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reaction from me. We speak to people every week.

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So actually, remember, you were the guy on Blue

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Peter when I was a kid, growing up in the 70s,

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before Doctor Who and it goes on. So basically,

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it's like in a Chatterbox UK world, you are the

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superstar. So there you go. Welcome. Very flattering,

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very kind. I'm very leisurely at this immediate

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moment. There we go. Haven't we all been? Oh,

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well, yeah, yeah. Peter, I understand that you

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come from Blackpool. Yes, that's right. I wasn't

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born there. I was born in a village called New

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Longton outside Preston. But my parents moved

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to Blackpool and they had a hotel. We moved in

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1942 there, so I was just three when we first

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moved to Blackpool. I was there until I was 18.

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I stayed at boarding school there. a TV presenter

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as opposed to, sorry, an actor as opposed to

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a TV presenter to start with, I believe. So did

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that start in local rep or where did that start?

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It was local rep. I didn't go to drama school.

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I went and auditioned when I was still at school.

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In the summer holidays, I auditioned for my local

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refugee theatre in Barrow and Purness, which

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was where my parents had moved to. And so in

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one of the... My school holidays when I was 17

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I contacted the theatre and asked if I could

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audition and amazingly they said yes. So I went

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and saw the artistic director there and they

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can't have been all that good the performances

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because I've never done it before and I really

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wasn't sure what I was doing but anyway I did

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a Shakespearean piece and a piece of Bernard

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Shaw and They said, that's fine. We've got a

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couple of parts for you this summer. So when

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it came to the plays, they cast me in a couple

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of plays and they paid me five pounds a week

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for the two weeks that I worked on the shows.

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And that was my very first acting. And it's when

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I eventually decided I was going to be permanently

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on stage, as it were, going to be an actor. They

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contacted me and said, would I like to join the

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company permanently? And I went back to Barrow

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from London, where I'd been living for a year.

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And I went back to Barrow and joined the company

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and spent two years doing somewhere in the region

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of 96 plays in two years. In Barrow? Yeah, in

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Barrow in person. Renaissance Theatre Company.

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It was a very nice, small company and a very

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old... I mean, about three years after I left,

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in 1963, it was pulled down. It was over 100

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years old, but it was just pulled down and became

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a parking lot for about five years. So, great

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shame. It was a lovely place and I owe my career

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to the Repertory Company in Barrow. No, fantastic

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fantastic, but it obviously there's some point

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here now that we're talking I'll be talking about

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early 60s late 50s something like that this pitless

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period of Barrow Okay, well 63 takes us on to

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obviously the start of Doctor Who but was there

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anything in between? virtually starved for quite

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a while now. I've got a couple of parts, leading

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parts, but they were in touring productions of

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plays and eventually that Christmas in 1963 I

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got a job in the singing chorus at the Palladium.

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I did three months in that. It was an awful show

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actually. It was called The Man in the Moon and

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it starred Charlie Drake. It was absolutely dreadful.

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But anyway, I was only in the chorus so it was

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no big deal for me and I did three months in

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that and then starved for a bit and struggled

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for a bit and eventually got a few minor parts

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in television. The first one was in a series

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called Z Cars which I remember. Yes, I remember

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that, yeah. I don't know. I was in Gideon's Way,

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I was in Red Cap, I was in Court Marshall, I

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was in The World of Wooster, all little parts,

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little cameos for a young actor. And then out

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of the blue I got the lead in a television play

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in 1964, about November 1964 we shot it. It was

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directed by Alvin Rakoff. It was called The Girl

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in the Picture, and it was about Blackpool as

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it happened. And my part, it was the leading

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part with Nicola Padgett, who sadly has very

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recently died. And for both of us, it was our

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first leading parts on television. And it was

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our debut leading performances. We got very good

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reviews for it. It was a great play. I was playing

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a beach photographer in Blackpool, which was

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second nature to me because it was my hometown.

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We went back there and filmed there, so I think

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it's great. Wonderful. And because of that, I

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did a couple of other things afterwards, but

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I was pretty broke. Mostly, you know, your jobs

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didn't come roaring at you. People weren't sending

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scripts through the post for me. And I did a

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leading role in a series that Granada did called

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The Villains. And I did all sorts of things.

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I drove trucks. I did all kinds of things. Worked

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in the laundry. And eventually, I got asked to

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audition uh... don't see your richard martin

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for a part in doctor who and uh... it was uh...

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giant insect or something i think that's the

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point before i went to see him on sunday night

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the play that i've been in blackpool called a

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girl in the picture was shown on itv uh... main

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main time nine o 'clock sunday night on i t t

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so i'm going to be sure the previous night i

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walked in for my interview with richardson peter

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so it looks absolutely terrific look well i'm

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not going to be one of these boxes nothing for

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you to play if i'm if i'm ever casting anything

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worthwhile i'll think of it well i i thought

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that was a pinch of salt kind of thing that directors

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do say to you know i could go to go to the top

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of the walk out the door uh... i was broke so

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i really needed the job I didn't get it. And

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then he was as good as his word because he cast

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me in an episode of The Chase. It was probably

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about five months later, I think. And I was playing

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a character called Morton Bill, who was an American

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hillbilly on holiday in New York. We had a six

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-minute comedy scene with the Doctor and his

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companions and the Tardis, followed by... but

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i don't think they have a time machine as well

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and i don't know the only person i think to have

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insulted Daleks on screen and not been insulted

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not been exterminated anyway at the end of the

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recording of that i hadn't really known that

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uh... William Russell and Jackie Hill who of

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course were the first doctors' companions they

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were leaving in three weeks' time i didn't know

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that and they hadn't got a replacement and Bill

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Like my performance so much in rehearsal The

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producer very to Lambert to take a good look

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at me in the producers run through after the

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recording and they did and They offered me the

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part of Stephen Taylor in Doctor Who and three

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weeks after playing this crazy hillbilly I was

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playing a totally different character in the

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sixth episode of the same serial And I did 46

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episodes of Doctor Who. That's quite something.

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Doctor? He says the TARDIS isn't a time machine.

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Oh, does he now? Tell him. I don't see why I

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shoot my child. He'll be done soon enough. Look,

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Doctor, I've seen some spaceships in my time.

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Admittedly, nothing like this. But what does

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this do? That is the dematerialising control,

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and that over yonder is the horizontal hold.

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Up there is the scanner, those are the doors,

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that is the chair with the panda on it. Sheer

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poetry, dear boy. Now please stop bothering me.

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In a roundabout way, this is daft of course,

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but you could be considered perhaps the first

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person to have a regeneration in Doctor Who by

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becoming someone else. I hadn't thought of that

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in there. I've only seen you as Stephen, I'm

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afraid. And what a hero I mean, it's 46 episodes

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as you say and I've got to ask this because there

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was an element of With William Hartnell there

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was a an element of seriousness He was the you

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couldn't nobody could ever pick a better person

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to be the first Doctor Who I don't think I was

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cast to be his foil really to offer an alternative

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view because Steven was a space pilot so he had

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technical ability and he was obviously very intelligent

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so he was able to argue with the Doctor which

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gave another dimension to Bill Hartnell's character

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as well which was good. Shadowbox! 10 ,000 pounds

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of room. The Admiral? Nicholas? You had to leave

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Anne Sheffield to die. The girl! The girl was

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with me! Your brother with the Shinidens have

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died. I know you had to leave her there to be

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slaughtered. Well, it is possible. Of course

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she didn't die, and I'm afraid to leave her.

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Possible? Look, how possible? That girl was already

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hunted by the Catholic guards. If they killed

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10 ,000, how did they spare her? You don't know,

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do you? You can't say for certain that you weren't

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responsible for that girl's death. I was not

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responsible. No! You just sent her back to her

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aunt's house where the guards were waiting to

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catch her. If I tell you this much, Doctor, wherever

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this machine of yours lands next, I'm getting

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off. If your research is... Have so little regard

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for human life, and I want no part. We've learned

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it. Your man has paid up. Goodbye. And yes, Stephen,

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history sometimes gives us a terrible shock.

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And that is because we don't quite truly understand.

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Why should we? After all, we're all too small

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to realize its final pattern. Therefore, I don't

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try and judge it from where you stand. I was

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right to do as I did. Yes, that I found what

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it is. Even after all this time, he cannot understand.

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I dare not change the course. Well, at least

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I taught him to take some precautions. He did

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remember to look at the scanner before he opened

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the door. Now, we're all gone. All gone. Now

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I'm struggling right now, I'm doing a Wikipedia

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bit, and never be afraid to put me rights, because

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I don't want to... I'm definitely bashing you

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in at Wikipedia. It's got my wife's age down.

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She's nine years older than she is. But I wasn't

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going to go down that route. What I was going

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to do though, I'm looking at audio dramas and

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between 2007 and 2021, it looks like you've been

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doing, I don't know if these are audio books

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or what they are, but it's got you down as playing

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Steven Taylor even as recently as 2021. Is that,

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is that, are you still doing it? Yes, oh yeah.

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Wonderful. Yes. a wonderful company called Big

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Finnish and Big Finnish do audio dramas and they

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started off doing Doctor Who back in the 1990s

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and I did my first one for them in 2004 I think

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and it was a recreation it was an original script

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called Mother Russia and it involved The Doctor

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and Vicky Stephen, and I narrated it and played

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Stephen. And I also did a sort of hint of an

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impression of Bill Hartnell's character as well

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in my reading of it. And they liked that so much

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that they carried on pursuing that. And I think

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I've done 36 original dramas for Big Finish,

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all of them playing Stephen and the Doctor, William

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Hartnell. Brilliant. Yeah, I play the Doctor

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Anne Stephener, which is, you know, that's a

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joy. Well, I think it's an absolute feat, Peter,

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to have basically played that character over

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a span of what's looking like 58 years here.

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That is some feat, seriously. It's not bad, is

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it? Brilliant! 1963 to, well, 2021, if you look

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at it from the time you appeared in Doctor Who

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as that character. Yes, that's right. Incredible.

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I've always started, yeah. Sue's got a question

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for you, Peter. Yeah, 56 years. Peter, you was

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in Doctor Who back in the 60s, was it darling?

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60s. Now, Doctor Who's out now, can you, what

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do you think of the difference from when you

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was doing it to what they've done now? Oh, I've

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got my own opinions of it now. Oh, I mean, it's

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a difficult one for me to say. I mean, I was

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in it at a time when I think the show, I mean,

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technically it wasn't very clever in those days.

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The limitations were in the technology of the

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time. So, I mean, we didn't do great sweeping,

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magnificent film sequences. They were very short

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and they were inserts. We recorded as if it was

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live. We didn't stop tape even if a mistake was

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made. The only time we stopped was for filmed

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inserts. And that's all. And to do special effects.

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So the Tar disappearing and disappearing was

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about the magnificent sum of the real technical,

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clever things that were done at that time. So

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it's a very different show. But it was led by

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extremely good scripts. They were intelligent

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scripts. They worked on all sorts of levels.

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And I mean, for me, Doctor Who, that was the

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golden age. Following on, when they regenerated

00:19:20.509 --> 00:19:24.920
to build to... Patrick compared to John Pertwee.

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I mean all things then became possible and of

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course they then went into colour and the technology

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got better and the ability to shoot on tape rather

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than on film and I mean the whole thing has become

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so technical and I don't think it's a patch on

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what it was. I agree. No, absolutely. I can't

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even watch it at the moment, I'm afraid. And

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I'm not even trying to be sexist, it just isn't.

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You can't change things like that. I'm not asking

00:19:54.359 --> 00:19:55.859
you to make a comment there, Peter, it's fine.

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But Peter, 1965, getting into 66 sort of thing.

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What year was it when you were... I mean, what

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did you do? Was there anything in between Doctor

00:20:06.059 --> 00:20:08.339
Who and Blue Peter, or did it just go from one

00:20:08.339 --> 00:20:12.400
to another? No, I had a bad time after I came

00:20:12.400 --> 00:20:14.559
out of Doctor Who. I couldn't get arrested as

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an actor apart from... I did a couple of episodes

00:20:20.079 --> 00:20:23.160
of, no, I did four episodes of Z -Cars for directors

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I'd worked with on Doctor Who, or who had employed

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me before Doctor Who, in fact. And I was in a

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part in a serial called The Girl in the Black

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Bikini, which was after all that. I got murdered

00:20:39.839 --> 00:20:43.140
in episode two. Sort of, yeah. I mean, little

00:20:43.140 --> 00:20:47.750
bits. I did Dixon and Doc Green. Yeah. There

00:20:47.750 --> 00:20:50.369
were small parts that weren't really, well no,

00:20:50.390 --> 00:20:52.869
there were leading parts in those particular

00:20:52.869 --> 00:20:56.390
shows, but they weren't, it didn't lead to anything.

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Mostly I was out of work. And as I say, I did

00:21:00.170 --> 00:21:01.910
all sorts of things. I worked for a company called

00:21:01.910 --> 00:21:05.710
the Driver's Bureau, which you phoned up in the

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morning and said, have you got any work? And

00:21:07.109 --> 00:21:10.069
they'd say, yes, we want you to go to an airfield

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in Kent and pick up this car and drive it to

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the docks in East London. And you'd go there

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and you'd find it was a Rolls Royce. and being

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exported and you drove it up to town and parked

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it up there and rang them and said right where

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now and they said we'd like you to go and pick

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up a van from so -and -so so you can take it

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home and the following morning I want you to

00:21:28.619 --> 00:21:30.680
take it to so -and -so so -and -so and I was

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doing that on a jobbing basis so that was how

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I drove trucks I did all sorts of things at that

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time so it was it wasn't easy and then out of

00:21:41.900 --> 00:21:45.980
the blue I was asked to go for an interview I

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was told Pisa wanted to see me. And was I interested?

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Now as it happens, my agent had just said we

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can't do anything more for you, just at the same

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time, sent me a letter. And they had phoned me

00:22:00.769 --> 00:22:02.710
the following day and said we'd had this inquiry

00:22:02.710 --> 00:22:04.430
from Blue Pisa, I don't know if you know the

00:22:04.430 --> 00:22:06.869
show, we aren't going to handle it for you, but

00:22:06.869 --> 00:22:08.769
if you're interested, this is the number. So

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I rang it and it was through to Billy Baxter

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and I was invited to go along to see them. And

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I went and I did... our television centre. Then

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we sent a script and asked to do a studio audition,

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which was a 15 -minute program. They sent me

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the script on a Wednesday night. I went into

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it on a Tuesday night. I went into the studio

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on a Wednesday morning and did the performance

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without AutoCube because the show didn't use

00:22:41.349 --> 00:22:43.789
AutoCube, so I had to learn the script overnight.

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That was no fear for me because I was good at

00:22:47.829 --> 00:22:53.230
learning lines for my repertory days. But the

00:22:53.230 --> 00:22:55.950
rest is history, I've got the job. However, the

00:22:55.950 --> 00:22:57.849
reason I got the job, and this is why I said

00:22:57.849 --> 00:23:02.269
earlier that the theatre in Barrow was responsible

00:23:02.269 --> 00:23:06.930
for my career. After I'd left, I went back to

00:23:06.930 --> 00:23:09.809
Barrow in Furness when my son was born to see

00:23:09.809 --> 00:23:13.309
my parents. And I went down to the theatre and...

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The artistic director had left and a new artistic

00:23:16.279 --> 00:23:18.599
director had taken over called Giles Habergl.

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And I had a drink with Giles after the show and

00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:25.720
he said if I ever wanted to do a play up there

00:23:25.720 --> 00:23:28.140
I could, which was very kind of him, thank you

00:23:28.140 --> 00:23:29.960
very much. I was in Blue Peter at the time, so

00:23:29.960 --> 00:23:32.680
it was very flattering and nice. I never took

00:23:32.680 --> 00:23:37.259
up the opera, but when Blue Peter were looking

00:23:37.259 --> 00:23:40.539
for a replacement for Christopher Tray, they

00:23:40.539 --> 00:23:43.730
had... spoken to a lady from the national theater,

00:23:44.490 --> 00:23:48.609
whose job was to reply to actors who'd sent in

00:23:48.609 --> 00:23:51.970
requests for an audition or whatever, and send

00:23:51.970 --> 00:23:53.910
their photographs back and say, sorry, no, there's

00:23:53.910 --> 00:23:56.109
nothing for you. I've never written to her. I've

00:23:56.109 --> 00:23:58.430
never been involved there at all. She was having

00:23:58.430 --> 00:24:02.569
a dinner party with Edward Barnes, who is the

00:24:02.569 --> 00:24:05.890
deputy editor of Blue Peter. Assistant producer,

00:24:05.970 --> 00:24:07.930
I think he was at that time. But anyway, deputy

00:24:07.930 --> 00:24:09.730
editor. He became head of children's programs

00:24:09.730 --> 00:24:13.210
later. And he was having dinner with her and

00:24:13.210 --> 00:24:17.130
several others, and he mentioned the fact that

00:24:17.130 --> 00:24:21.230
he was looking for a replacement, and suggested

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that this lady may have some names. And she said,

00:24:24.670 --> 00:24:26.509
unfortunately, I haven't. I can't think of anybody

00:24:26.509 --> 00:24:29.329
who'd be suitable. And a few days later, she

00:24:29.329 --> 00:24:31.910
was having another dinner party, or was at another

00:24:31.910 --> 00:24:34.529
dinner party, where Giles Hamigold was. And she

00:24:34.529 --> 00:24:36.329
said, oh, Giles, you know everyone in this business.

00:24:36.529 --> 00:24:38.730
Do you know anyone who'd be any good at going

00:24:38.730 --> 00:24:40.990
on Blue Peace? At least I know someone who'd

00:24:40.990 --> 00:24:42.650
be very good at that and he'd put my name before

00:24:42.650 --> 00:25:05.779
me. So that's how I got it. Perfect! This is

00:25:05.779 --> 00:25:08.019
Nick and Sue with Cheddar Box giving you all

00:25:08.019 --> 00:25:10.240
you need to know about musical entertainment

00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:17.099
Cheddar Box Cheddar Box Cheddar Box Cheddar Box

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Cheddar Box The other day on the radio we heard

00:25:19.339 --> 00:25:22.730
of a remarkable free offer It was of a computer

00:25:22.730 --> 00:25:27.430
that was bought in 1964 for £150 ,000. The firm

00:25:27.430 --> 00:25:29.769
that owned it had decided to install a new computer,

00:25:29.849 --> 00:25:31.789
so this one's going begging, but unbelievably,

00:25:32.109 --> 00:25:35.450
they were offered only £25 for it as scrap metal.

00:25:35.890 --> 00:25:38.329
This seemed such a shocking waste, the firm decided

00:25:38.329 --> 00:25:40.410
they'd give it away to anyone who could put it

00:25:40.410 --> 00:25:42.450
to good use. So I thought I'd go and have a look

00:25:42.450 --> 00:25:44.309
at what must be just about the best giveaway

00:25:44.309 --> 00:25:50.470
ever. Computers don't come small. Every piece

00:25:50.470 --> 00:25:52.690
of equipment in this room is part of a fantastic

00:25:52.690 --> 00:25:57.750
electronic calculating machine. Although it's

00:25:57.750 --> 00:26:00.170
eight years old, this computer is far from useless.

00:26:00.710 --> 00:26:02.630
It's still working out the monthly paychecks

00:26:02.630 --> 00:26:06.230
for 4 ,500 employees at Chloride Automotive Batteries

00:26:06.230 --> 00:26:09.450
Ltd. I asked the computer manager, Bob Jenkinson,

00:26:09.529 --> 00:26:12.190
how it worked. We have two methods of input to

00:26:12.190 --> 00:26:14.890
the computer. The first one is paper tape. You

00:26:14.890 --> 00:26:17.190
read it... It reads the tape on this reading

00:26:17.190 --> 00:26:21.470
head here. The other method is punch cards. The

00:26:21.470 --> 00:26:24.710
cards are stacked here, read through the cabinet,

00:26:25.150 --> 00:26:27.490
and all cards come out here. When they arrive

00:26:27.490 --> 00:26:30.250
there, the information is in the computer? Yes,

00:26:30.289 --> 00:26:33.130
the reading is complete. If the volumes are very

00:26:33.130 --> 00:26:36.009
large, we store the information on our Magnific

00:26:36.009 --> 00:26:38.549
tape backing store over there. So this is a sort

00:26:38.549 --> 00:26:40.529
of library round the side, is it? This is our

00:26:40.529 --> 00:26:44.309
library, yes. This is the operator's console.

00:26:44.589 --> 00:26:47.990
All the information is entered from this control

00:26:47.990 --> 00:26:50.170
panel here. You can vary your different programmes

00:26:50.170 --> 00:26:52.549
from here? Yes. All our computer output comes

00:26:52.549 --> 00:26:55.210
out here on our line printer. It's a very fast

00:26:55.210 --> 00:26:57.950
printer, a thousand lines a minute, which is

00:26:57.950 --> 00:27:01.309
equivalent in speed to about 250 type lists.

00:27:02.549 --> 00:27:04.609
Bob, apart from doing the payroll, which it's

00:27:04.609 --> 00:27:06.190
working on at the moment, what other sort of

00:27:06.190 --> 00:27:08.349
things can the computer do? Well, we have set

00:27:08.349 --> 00:27:10.630
two or three problems just to test its capabilities.

00:27:11.289 --> 00:27:14.089
The first one is the age -old chessboard problem.

00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:19.039
where we have sugar lumps and the chessboard.

00:27:19.480 --> 00:27:22.759
On square one we place one cube, on the second

00:27:22.759 --> 00:27:27.240
square two cubes, then four cubes, eight cubes,

00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:31.420
sixteen cubes, thirty two cubes and so on. Well

00:27:31.420 --> 00:27:33.960
this is a problem I recognise from the Blue Peter

00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:36.019
studio where we have actually tried it using

00:27:36.019 --> 00:27:38.940
matches but we gave up when we reached the twelfth

00:27:38.940 --> 00:27:40.980
square because we've got something like two thousandth

00:27:40.980 --> 00:27:43.680
already on there. Well, the problem here is to

00:27:43.680 --> 00:27:45.660
find out how many sugar cubes will end up on

00:27:45.660 --> 00:27:49.519
square 64. Punched on these cards was all the

00:27:49.519 --> 00:27:51.319
information the computer needed to calculate

00:27:51.319 --> 00:27:53.819
the answer to our question, which in mathematical

00:27:53.819 --> 00:27:57.960
terms was, what is 2 to the power of 63? It took

00:27:57.960 --> 00:28:01.019
10 seconds to reply. The answer should be here

00:28:01.019 --> 00:28:04.119
now. And it was all neatly typed out on the white

00:28:04.119 --> 00:28:09.859
paper coming from the printer. Unbelievable total,

00:28:10.579 --> 00:28:26.539
9 ,223 ,372 ,36 ,854 ,775 ,808 sugar cubes on

00:28:26.539 --> 00:28:29.960
the last square. That really is an incredible

00:28:29.960 --> 00:28:33.440
number. And the ranges they were in force. It

00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:35.279
must stretch quite a way if it was piled up.

00:28:35.619 --> 00:28:36.720
How far do you think that would go? We have,

00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:38.680
in fact, programmed the computer to tell us the

00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:51.539
answer. Oh, that's ridiculous. 18 ,198 ,129 ,807

00:28:51.539 --> 00:28:56.220
,557 miles. Well, that's about, what, several

00:28:56.220 --> 00:28:59.890
million times to the moon, in fact. Yes. Bob

00:28:59.890 --> 00:29:02.029
explained it wasn't only mathematical problems

00:29:02.029 --> 00:29:04.430
the computer could solve Some more information

00:29:04.430 --> 00:29:06.390
was fed into the card reader and the machine

00:29:06.390 --> 00:29:09.430
immediately set to work This time it was going

00:29:09.430 --> 00:29:11.769
to do something rather unusual because we'd asked

00:29:11.769 --> 00:29:23.210
it to draw a picture In each ship there were

00:29:23.210 --> 00:29:26.230
2 ,000 tiny letters to have drawn them by hand

00:29:26.230 --> 00:29:31.029
will have taken hours instead of just That's

00:29:31.029 --> 00:29:32.630
absolutely fascinating. I think it's splendid

00:29:32.630 --> 00:29:35.410
the way that does that. Look, the machine is

00:29:35.410 --> 00:29:37.049
obviously old, because you've said it was old,

00:29:37.130 --> 00:29:38.690
but there's plenty of life in it. Are you serious

00:29:38.690 --> 00:29:41.569
about giving it away? Yes. Providing we can find

00:29:41.569 --> 00:29:43.730
someone who can make good use of it, we shall

00:29:43.730 --> 00:29:46.029
give it away. I'm sure you'll be able to find

00:29:46.029 --> 00:29:52.720
someone for it. Thank you. And I've got the computerized

00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:54.380
ship back here in the studio, and I think both

00:29:54.380 --> 00:29:56.680
this and the chess problem do go to show that

00:29:56.680 --> 00:29:58.640
although the computer's old, it's far from useless.

00:29:59.119 --> 00:30:00.740
But as you saw, it does take up an awful lot

00:30:00.740 --> 00:30:02.819
of space, and couple that with the... special

00:30:02.819 --> 00:30:05.880
ventilation it needs, air conditioning, special

00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:08.299
supply, power supply, together with all its maintenance

00:30:08.299 --> 00:30:09.740
costs, it isn't the sort of thing that anyone

00:30:09.740 --> 00:30:12.539
could just have at home. But so far, they haven't

00:30:12.539 --> 00:30:14.960
decided exactly who is going to have this. It'll

00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:16.500
probably end up with a school or a college, but

00:30:16.500 --> 00:30:17.960
if you have any good suggestions about where

00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:19.619
you think it should go, if you put them down

00:30:19.619 --> 00:30:21.160
on a postcard and let us have them, we'll make

00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:22.900
sure that they get to Mr. Jenkinson, because

00:30:22.900 --> 00:30:24.880
I really do think it's a great thing that they're

00:30:24.880 --> 00:30:27.180
giving away a computer that can still do so much

00:30:27.180 --> 00:30:29.740
work instead of just turning it into scrap. And

00:30:29.740 --> 00:30:32.160
you were there for a great number of years, I

00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:35.319
mean 60, well, what was it, 67 to 78? 10 and

00:30:35.319 --> 00:30:38.559
a half years. Perfect, that is one of the longer

00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:40.799
innings on Blue Peter, isn't it? It's the longest

00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:43.680
apart from my mate John Oakes. Bless him, yes.

00:30:43.880 --> 00:30:46.599
John Oakes did 12 years, I did 10 and a half.

00:30:46.890 --> 00:30:49.789
Well, of course, I remember in the time I was

00:30:49.789 --> 00:30:52.829
watching Bluebeetle, it was you, John, and Valerie

00:30:52.829 --> 00:30:55.390
Singleton, and then, obviously, Leslie Judd,

00:30:55.670 --> 00:30:58.589
and you and John. That was the year I was watching

00:30:58.589 --> 00:31:01.490
it. And what a program it was, you know, and

00:31:01.490 --> 00:31:04.269
my mother who's a somewhat... It was a program

00:31:04.269 --> 00:31:06.470
that was right for its time. It was, you're right.

00:31:07.329 --> 00:31:10.069
I mean, I wouldn't say it's lost its way now,

00:31:10.089 --> 00:31:15.470
but it's sort of hidden away on the CBVs or whatever

00:31:15.470 --> 00:31:19.039
it's called. It's not in the mainstream anymore,

00:31:19.099 --> 00:31:22.140
but it still has a profile. It's not watched

00:31:22.140 --> 00:31:25.400
in great numbers when the show goes out, but

00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:29.500
it is watched online and kids know how to catch

00:31:29.500 --> 00:31:32.799
up on it. Back in your day, you couldn't catch

00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:36.220
up on it. No, not at all. And there were seven

00:31:36.220 --> 00:31:38.039
or eight million of us watching it at the same

00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:42.400
time. I do remember, John wasn't just the...

00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:45.440
Looking back, I've looked at some clips on YouTube

00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:47.720
and that, and John, I was always led to believe

00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:50.180
was the action man, but you did some pretty,

00:31:50.180 --> 00:31:53.400
you know, pretty nail -biting things yourself.

00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:56.200
I mean, what is the most exciting Blue Peter

00:31:56.200 --> 00:31:58.740
moment for you of something you got, you know,

00:31:58.940 --> 00:32:02.539
you actually got into doing? Oh gosh, there are

00:32:02.539 --> 00:32:06.359
so many, really. I mean, it depends on what you

00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:10.279
term as excitement. I mean, I've been on the

00:32:10.279 --> 00:32:17.289
helm of the QE2. I've been doing a film on air

00:32:17.289 --> 00:32:20.809
traffic control. I was up in the jets that were

00:32:20.809 --> 00:32:24.450
doing the approaching circuits and bumps and

00:32:24.450 --> 00:32:26.869
all that. I've had my hands on the joystick and

00:32:26.869 --> 00:32:31.089
one of those. Those are wonderful things. But

00:32:31.089 --> 00:32:36.069
I think probably the thing that was scariest,

00:32:36.190 --> 00:32:39.190
one was doing a stunt car film where I had to

00:32:39.190 --> 00:32:41.589
crash the car through the side of a furniture

00:32:41.589 --> 00:32:45.809
van. Which was pretty stupid. I won't go into

00:32:45.809 --> 00:32:48.750
the details. There was no health and safety,

00:32:48.849 --> 00:32:51.750
let's put it that way. I didn't get hurt, so

00:32:51.750 --> 00:32:54.210
I was lucky I survived. But I'm fairly accident

00:32:54.210 --> 00:32:56.329
prone, so I was quite lucky I didn't get hurt.

00:32:56.549 --> 00:33:01.849
I enjoyed doing the walk of the cable on the

00:33:01.849 --> 00:33:07.170
fourth suspension road bridge, which was wonderful.

00:33:07.529 --> 00:33:10.509
But I equally enjoyed just doing the very basic

00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:19.200
on the fourth rail bridge, the iconic rail bridge,

00:33:19.420 --> 00:33:22.940
which is, I went on that with the bridge manager,

00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:25.960
and we talked about how it was constructed and

00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:27.460
all the rest of it. I mean, going up to the top

00:33:27.460 --> 00:33:29.819
of that was pretty impressive as well. And I

00:33:29.819 --> 00:33:33.380
did all the rock climbing films, so I climbed

00:33:33.380 --> 00:33:36.400
amazing things with the wonderful Chris Bonnington,

00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:40.059
who led the first successful expedition to the

00:33:40.059 --> 00:33:46.769
top of Everest after the first. So, I mean, I

00:33:46.769 --> 00:33:49.690
did a tremendous number of really enjoyable,

00:33:49.690 --> 00:33:52.329
exciting things, as well as the basic things.

00:33:52.630 --> 00:33:55.089
I was there as the counterbalance to John Oakes,

00:33:55.569 --> 00:33:58.829
because John was not great at doing factual pieces.

00:33:59.009 --> 00:34:02.650
I did all the factual stuff. Johnny did the heroic

00:34:02.650 --> 00:34:07.140
stuff, and I ended up doing the... the parachute

00:34:07.140 --> 00:34:09.920
jumping and stuff like that. We used to do military

00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:14.920
films together. We trained with the Marines,

00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:19.619
we trained with the signals, all sorts of things.

00:34:20.099 --> 00:34:23.300
It was a wonderful time. Without a doubt, the

00:34:23.300 --> 00:34:27.039
best job in television. One of the things that

00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:29.360
we actually enjoy best of all on Blue Peter is

00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:32.659
being able to show brand new inventions. Earlier

00:34:32.659 --> 00:34:35.300
today we recorded an experiment here in the studio

00:34:35.300 --> 00:34:37.619
that should be of interest to anyone who ever

00:34:37.619 --> 00:34:40.500
has to use the telephone. We started off with

00:34:40.500 --> 00:34:43.559
two telephones and this one was perfectly normal.

00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:48.619
It's the sodaphone you've probably got at home.

00:34:48.780 --> 00:34:51.519
It's got a... handset, a curly bit of wire that

00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:53.360
goes down to here and then a cable that goes

00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:56.519
all the way to the telephone exchange. I've got

00:34:56.519 --> 00:34:58.860
the other telephone here and it looks more like

00:34:58.860 --> 00:35:01.500
a shoulder bag really than a proper telephone.

00:35:01.699 --> 00:35:04.820
It's got its own portable handset here which

00:35:04.820 --> 00:35:07.940
has its own dial built into it and the thing

00:35:07.940 --> 00:35:10.139
that makes it so unusual is if I get up and walk

00:35:10.139 --> 00:35:12.800
around you'll see that there are absolutely no

00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:15.380
trailing cables of any kind. It's not connected

00:35:15.380 --> 00:35:18.010
to anything at all because it's got its own built

00:35:18.010 --> 00:35:20.030
-in transmitter and receiver. Well, there's nothing

00:35:20.030 --> 00:35:21.730
really extraordinary, I suppose, in having a

00:35:21.730 --> 00:35:23.469
sort of walkie -talkie radio, but this is the

00:35:23.469 --> 00:35:25.809
first one that you can actually use with an ordinary

00:35:25.809 --> 00:35:27.769
telephone. And the other good thing about it

00:35:27.769 --> 00:35:30.510
is that when you use it, you don't have to dial

00:35:30.510 --> 00:35:32.630
through the operator, as you would with an ordinary

00:35:32.630 --> 00:35:34.510
mobile car phone. Well, we're going to give you

00:35:34.510 --> 00:35:37.030
a demonstration of how this new invention works.

00:35:37.269 --> 00:35:40.909
Now, on my phone here, I'm extension 84. You

00:35:40.909 --> 00:35:43.590
are indeed, and I'm extension 85. Remember it,

00:35:43.690 --> 00:35:46.750
John? Yes, in my memory bank. You're 84, OK?

00:35:46.869 --> 00:35:48.960
I'll tell you what. Tessa and I will stay here

00:35:48.960 --> 00:35:50.780
in a nice warm studio. You can take Shep for

00:35:50.780 --> 00:35:51.820
a walk. I knew you were going to say that. Well,

00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:53.239
I will. Come on, Shep, you come with me, because

00:35:53.239 --> 00:35:55.179
I'm going to go right out of the studio, out

00:35:55.179 --> 00:35:58.539
to the Blue Peter Garden. Now, this portable

00:35:58.539 --> 00:36:00.699
telephone is the invention of an American scientist,

00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:04.539
Mr. Lou Schneur. And he's a teacher at the Chelmer

00:36:04.539 --> 00:36:07.000
Institute in Chelmsford, Essex. And he says he

00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:08.780
doesn't see any reason why in the future it wouldn't

00:36:08.780 --> 00:36:11.260
be possible for just about everybody to be walking

00:36:11.260 --> 00:36:14.570
around carrying one of these, their own... portable

00:36:14.570 --> 00:36:17.150
communication set. Anyway, last time I was out

00:36:17.150 --> 00:36:19.329
of doors, it was pouring down with rain, so I'm

00:36:19.329 --> 00:36:21.510
taking no chances today, get my coat on, and

00:36:21.510 --> 00:36:23.789
off I go. I'll get a hood out just in case as

00:36:23.789 --> 00:36:26.110
well. We're in Studio 8 at the Television Centre

00:36:26.110 --> 00:36:28.210
today. I'm just walking through the huge ScenDoc

00:36:28.210 --> 00:36:30.329
doors. This is where we get things like stuffed

00:36:30.329 --> 00:36:32.469
elephants and double -decker buses into the studio.

00:36:33.389 --> 00:36:35.210
Outside here there's a ring road. This is used

00:36:35.210 --> 00:36:37.230
for moving scenery around, and if you watch Top

00:36:37.230 --> 00:36:38.969
of the Pops, you probably recognise that bit

00:36:38.969 --> 00:36:41.329
of scenery there. Anyway, I'm going out through

00:36:41.329 --> 00:36:46.289
the doors now. And once outside here, on my right

00:36:46.289 --> 00:36:49.230
over there is the BBC Canteen Block. And if you

00:36:49.230 --> 00:36:50.869
watch Blue Peter regularly, then you'll know

00:36:50.869 --> 00:36:53.409
that our garden is very close, in fact, right

00:36:53.409 --> 00:36:55.989
next door to the Canteen Block. In fact, it's

00:36:55.989 --> 00:36:58.789
over the road here. As you can see, it's pretty

00:36:58.789 --> 00:37:03.289
horrible out here. Really wet and nasty. I feel

00:37:03.289 --> 00:37:06.389
a right twerp in this hood, but I'd rather wear

00:37:06.389 --> 00:37:08.409
it than get soaked to the skin. Whoops, it's

00:37:08.409 --> 00:37:10.610
slippery as well. Aye, Sheppy, you like it, don't

00:37:10.610 --> 00:37:13.820
you? And down at the end there... is our actual

00:37:13.820 --> 00:37:15.239
Blue Peter garden. Anyway, I'm not going to do

00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:17.460
some gardening this minute. I'm out here to test

00:37:17.460 --> 00:37:19.460
this. So the first thing I've got to do is make

00:37:19.460 --> 00:37:22.920
sure it's switched on, which it is. Put up my

00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:26.539
aerial. Now, two things I must do. First of all,

00:37:26.739 --> 00:37:28.300
by the magic of television, you'll be able to

00:37:28.300 --> 00:37:30.380
see Johnny waiting for my call at the same time

00:37:30.380 --> 00:37:32.679
as I'm speaking to you. So first of all, to make

00:37:32.679 --> 00:37:36.619
sure I've got a line, dial zero. That's the same

00:37:36.619 --> 00:37:39.639
as picking up a handset. That's it. I've got

00:37:39.639 --> 00:37:47.059
the line. Now, here's number 8 -4. And it's ringing

00:37:47.059 --> 00:37:50.760
in the studio. Hello, John Nooks here. Hello,

00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:52.800
John. Fancy seeing you. Or rather hearing you.

00:37:52.900 --> 00:37:55.150
I can't see you at all, actually. What's it like

00:37:55.150 --> 00:37:57.429
out there? It's soaking wet as well, you know.

00:37:57.469 --> 00:37:59.070
But it's lovely in the studio, isn't it? Oh,

00:37:59.070 --> 00:38:00.909
he's lovely and dry. I'm going to send Shep back

00:38:00.909 --> 00:38:02.730
in to jump all over you. He's getting soaked

00:38:02.730 --> 00:38:04.449
rushing around out here at the moment. Anyway,

00:38:04.530 --> 00:38:06.429
we've shown that it works this way, me dialling

00:38:06.429 --> 00:38:08.329
you. So don't put the phone down for a minute,

00:38:08.349 --> 00:38:09.969
because I've got to cancel the circuits first.

00:38:10.030 --> 00:38:12.130
So I'm going to press the button now, and you'll

00:38:12.130 --> 00:38:16.670
hear the dots, the little clicking sound. That's

00:38:16.670 --> 00:38:18.989
it. It's gone now. So the circuit's now clear

00:38:18.989 --> 00:38:22.280
for Johnny to try to ring me. Well, the clicking

00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:24.780
sounds have stopped, so if I put it back down,

00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:30.000
pick it up. His number was 80... Oh, 85, yes.

00:38:31.619 --> 00:38:34.960
All right, it should be ringing. There we go.

00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:38.320
Every time a winner. Hello, Johnny. Yeah, me.

00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:40.719
Wonderful. It works. Look, I'm getting soaked

00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:42.219
out here, so you mind if we don't have a long

00:38:42.219 --> 00:38:44.619
conversation? All right, if you insist. Smashing.

00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:45.940
I'm going to cancel the circuits again. Don't

00:38:45.940 --> 00:38:47.760
put it down too soon, otherwise you upset everything.

00:38:48.019 --> 00:38:52.170
OK. And that's it. Cancelled again. So, that's

00:38:52.170 --> 00:38:54.210
it. I think we've proved that Mr. Schneer's invention

00:38:54.210 --> 00:38:56.170
actually works. But I dare say you're a little

00:38:56.170 --> 00:38:57.969
confused about how it works when there aren't

00:38:57.969 --> 00:38:59.369
any cables and all the rest of it. Well, the

00:38:59.369 --> 00:39:02.269
answer is it does have to have a separate transmitter

00:39:02.269 --> 00:39:04.650
somewhere. Well, the one that we're using is

00:39:04.650 --> 00:39:06.969
way up there with Leslie on the television centre

00:39:06.969 --> 00:39:10.449
roof. It's approximately 30 metres above ground

00:39:10.449 --> 00:39:12.590
level, and as you can see from here, I've got

00:39:12.590 --> 00:39:15.210
a very good view of Pete and a rather soggy,

00:39:15.329 --> 00:39:18.050
damp -looking Blue Peter garden. The aerial and

00:39:18.050 --> 00:39:20.599
the transmitter... which have been relaying the

00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:23.719
conversations to and from Peter's roving phone

00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:27.480
are ordinary pieces of radio equipment. The interesting

00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:30.099
piece is fitted in underneath the transmitter

00:39:30.099 --> 00:39:33.119
behind this plate here. There's lots of special

00:39:33.119 --> 00:39:35.699
circuits and it's the circuits which have been

00:39:35.699 --> 00:39:37.980
dealing not only with the simple conversational

00:39:37.980 --> 00:39:40.719
side of the exercise but also with the actual

00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:43.619
dialing mechanism part and that is the tricubic.

00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:47.340
Well, if you use your mobile phone anywhere within

00:39:47.340 --> 00:39:49.920
a seven mile radius of this equipment, you should

00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:52.320
actually be able to speak to a friend from all

00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:55.260
sorts of places, up a mountain, in a boat, in

00:39:55.260 --> 00:39:57.440
the middle of a lake, or in the middle of a field.

00:39:57.820 --> 00:40:00.679
And I do think that this development is going

00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:03.639
to be a great boon to people who are very busy,

00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:06.619
but who need to communicate with people who are

00:40:06.619 --> 00:40:08.679
at a bit of a distance and who haven't got a...

00:40:08.650 --> 00:40:12.050
proper telephone handy. People like businessmen

00:40:12.050 --> 00:40:14.829
and particularly farmers and doctors. Very good

00:40:14.829 --> 00:40:18.150
development indeed. Well, from here on the BBC

00:40:18.150 --> 00:40:20.789
Television Centre roof, it's back to down there

00:40:20.789 --> 00:40:23.840
in the Blue Peter Garden with Pete. Whilst we've

00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:25.679
got our cameras out of doors today, it did seem

00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:27.559
the perfect opportunity to do a bit of gardening.

00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:29.519
I was actually going down there to do some digging

00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:32.619
and composting over in the plot, but it's ridiculous.

00:40:32.719 --> 00:40:34.639
It's like a major disaster area down here at

00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:36.559
the moment. It's very muddy, pointless doing

00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:38.059
anything, so we'll have to leave that till another

00:40:38.059 --> 00:40:39.739
day. Something I will point out, though, just

00:40:39.739 --> 00:40:42.500
whilst I'm out here, is the grass. If you remember,

00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:43.940
when we were out here during the summer, it was

00:40:43.940 --> 00:40:46.059
really very parched and brown. Well, now it's

00:40:46.059 --> 00:40:48.079
lush and green, so the rain's doing us a lot

00:40:48.079 --> 00:40:50.860
of good. Myself, I don't actually like it. The

00:40:50.860 --> 00:40:52.630
cameraman's nodding in agreement too, so... from

00:40:52.630 --> 00:40:56.170
a very wet outside back to a nice warm indoor

00:40:56.170 --> 00:40:58.369
studio. This is Nick and Sue with Cheddar Box,

00:40:58.550 --> 00:41:00.630
giving you all you need to know about musical

00:41:00.630 --> 00:41:06.309
entertainment. Cheddar Box! Cheddar Box! Cheddar

00:41:06.309 --> 00:41:10.409
Box! Cheddar Box! Cheddar Box! Have you got a

00:41:10.409 --> 00:41:14.710
Blue Peter badge? Have I? Yes. Oh yes, I have

00:41:14.710 --> 00:41:17.110
a gold one. Brilliant. Well deserved as well.

00:41:17.250 --> 00:41:20.269
Well deserved. What's the funniest moment from

00:41:20.269 --> 00:41:24.719
the years on Blue Peter? There's one that stands

00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:27.440
out about all of those, and I'm sure you know

00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:31.940
what it is. We were going to Sri Lanka, it was

00:41:31.940 --> 00:41:34.699
then called Ceylon. I don't know if you remember,

00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:40.000
it was 1969. No, no. Because we were going to

00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:42.099
Sri Lanka, we thought, well, we're about to meet

00:41:42.099 --> 00:41:43.780
some elephants there. So let's have an elephant

00:41:43.780 --> 00:41:47.880
in the studio and talk about elephants. So we

00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:50.159
had a baby elephant in the studio called Lulu.

00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:56.619
And well, the rest is... I doubt there are many

00:41:56.619 --> 00:42:00.400
people who have not seen it. Well, yes. It's

00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:02.940
shown over and over and over again. It comes

00:42:02.940 --> 00:42:05.940
out top of all the polls for the funniest television

00:42:05.940 --> 00:42:10.099
moment of all time on regular occasions. John,

00:42:10.260 --> 00:42:12.579
thou and I were trying to stick to a script whilst

00:42:12.579 --> 00:42:14.860
the baby elephant basically did what it wanted.

00:42:16.110 --> 00:42:19.369
and the reason it did that was the element of

00:42:19.369 --> 00:42:22.949
control that its handler had was a slightly bulbous

00:42:22.949 --> 00:42:26.050
-ended stick which he would gently, and I mean

00:42:26.050 --> 00:42:29.230
gently, tap the elephant on the forehead and

00:42:29.230 --> 00:42:31.010
the elephant would do exactly what he wanted.

00:42:31.110 --> 00:42:33.230
But it was really gentle, it was just a reminder,

00:42:33.710 --> 00:42:35.789
the elephant had a chain around its neck and

00:42:35.789 --> 00:42:39.750
he would do this. And Billy Baxter, in her great

00:42:39.750 --> 00:42:43.829
wisdom, said to him, Alex, do you think you could

00:42:43.829 --> 00:42:48.610
not use that stick? because it looks rather cool.

00:42:49.190 --> 00:42:51.469
He didn't use the stick and the elephant didn't

00:42:51.469 --> 00:42:53.250
do anything it wanted. It didn't do anything

00:42:53.250 --> 00:42:55.690
he wanted. It just did what it wanted, which

00:42:55.690 --> 00:42:58.849
was lovely. And it was extremely funny. You couldn't

00:42:58.849 --> 00:43:01.010
have written it. It's one of those things that

00:43:01.010 --> 00:43:07.409
just happened. Brilliant at the moment she has

00:43:07.409 --> 00:43:10.210
12 pints of milk a day and two buckets of water

00:43:10.210 --> 00:43:13.070
But when she's fully grown she'll have 50 gallons

00:43:13.070 --> 00:43:14.409
a day And I wouldn't like to be the one who has

00:43:14.409 --> 00:43:16.309
to give her all that and you'll notice that she

00:43:16.309 --> 00:43:18.710
hasn't got any tusks But actually, in Salon,

00:43:18.969 --> 00:43:22.489
even the male elephants don't have tusks. We're

00:43:22.489 --> 00:43:24.630
having a slight penny down here, a slight problem.

00:43:25.989 --> 00:43:28.630
You're supposed to be drinking it, Lulu. It happens

00:43:28.630 --> 00:43:31.070
to all elephants, don't it? Thank you very much

00:43:31.070 --> 00:43:36.349
indeed. Can you stand back a little bit? Well,

00:43:36.349 --> 00:43:40.030
I think we're going to see all sorts of very

00:43:40.030 --> 00:43:42.349
exciting new and different things when we're

00:43:42.349 --> 00:43:46.429
in Salon. He doesn't want to leave us. Hello.

00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:52.099
I was saying we'll see all sorts of very exciting

00:43:52.099 --> 00:44:01.199
things But one thing we must do one very important

00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:02.940
thing before we leave and that is to make sure

00:44:02.940 --> 00:44:04.940
that our animals are going to be as happy as

00:44:04.940 --> 00:44:06.780
we're obviously going to when we're on holiday

00:44:06.780 --> 00:44:13.039
Well our animals aren't gonna be happy in fact

00:44:13.039 --> 00:44:14.980
because they're going away on holiday too. They're

00:44:14.980 --> 00:44:17.329
gonna spend it out in the country But Lulu won't

00:44:17.329 --> 00:44:23.469
be there! Oh, dear! How are you doing? Marky!

00:44:23.670 --> 00:44:28.030
How's it going? All right, Alex? Marky! You all

00:44:28.030 --> 00:44:30.309
right? You all right, Alex? Oh, there we are.

00:44:30.550 --> 00:44:34.090
You all right? Right. Right. Come here. Here.

00:44:34.090 --> 00:44:37.449
Off you go, Lulu! And there she goes, out of

00:44:37.449 --> 00:44:39.969
the studio! Farewell! Oh, dear, I've trodden.

00:44:40.010 --> 00:44:43.590
And, uh, if I'm allowed to mention, I've heard

00:44:43.590 --> 00:44:46.719
you comment a few times over the years. in interviews

00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:49.099
that you were asked about Biddy Baxter and you

00:44:49.099 --> 00:44:51.539
really weren't too keen, were you, I don't believe?

00:44:52.460 --> 00:44:55.280
Well, she was a hard lady to work for, but she

00:44:55.280 --> 00:44:58.539
had an iron fist that controlled that show. It

00:44:58.539 --> 00:45:00.039
worked in the day, yeah. And the program was

00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:01.719
successful because of her, not because of Baxter.

00:45:03.019 --> 00:45:07.260
She laid down the law, things were done her way

00:45:07.260 --> 00:45:10.219
or they weren't done. So they got done and it

00:45:10.219 --> 00:45:13.179
was her way. There was no argument and no discussion.

00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:16.579
and where i really fell out with it was because

00:45:16.579 --> 00:45:19.340
they were very unreasonable about our rates of

00:45:19.340 --> 00:45:24.260
pay very badly i mean when i left blue peter

00:45:24.260 --> 00:45:26.739
i won't tell you how much but when i left blue

00:45:26.739 --> 00:45:30.599
peter my salary was quite low and the next job

00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:32.820
i got was for the bbc's television department

00:45:32.820 --> 00:45:35.599
which i went straight to which was a show called

00:45:35.599 --> 00:45:38.099
stopwatch which was a sports program which i

00:45:38.099 --> 00:45:41.599
did five series of up in manchester but immediately

00:45:41.599 --> 00:45:47.719
i was paid three times as much per program. They

00:45:47.719 --> 00:45:50.059
kept our rates very low. They were very major.

00:45:51.539 --> 00:45:54.300
I mean, they didn't have the budget. I know those

00:45:54.300 --> 00:45:56.880
programs didn't have that kind of budget, but

00:45:56.880 --> 00:46:00.440
they were very bad lows. So it was the best job

00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:02.679
in television but the worst page. I understand

00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:05.059
totally, no brilliantly put. Now obviously John

00:46:05.059 --> 00:46:07.420
Noakes had Shep. Now am I right in believing

00:46:07.420 --> 00:46:10.079
that after the shows you took Petra home? Did

00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:12.019
you have Petra? Is that how it works? Oh yes,

00:46:12.159 --> 00:46:14.579
Petra was my dog. I mean she was owned by the

00:46:14.579 --> 00:46:17.880
BBC but she was my dog. I took over her when

00:46:17.880 --> 00:46:20.420
I joined the program. A few months in, Billy

00:46:20.420 --> 00:46:24.010
Baxter I said. the dog isn't very happy in the

00:46:24.010 --> 00:46:26.269
studio and never has been but maybe if you took

00:46:26.269 --> 00:46:28.849
her home and looked after her she would like

00:46:28.849 --> 00:46:30.949
to come into the studio with you and that was

00:46:30.949 --> 00:46:33.010
true and that's what happened so that's how it

00:46:33.010 --> 00:46:36.329
worked and she passed away my dog for eight and

00:46:36.329 --> 00:46:38.110
a half years until she died i was gonna say she

00:46:38.110 --> 00:46:40.369
passed away just before you left i seem to remember

00:46:41.139 --> 00:46:43.679
Right, got a few more minutes. I'd like to get

00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:46.679
you obviously through the crufts thing. I mean,

00:46:46.780 --> 00:46:48.920
your love of dogs, no one's got any doubt about

00:46:48.920 --> 00:46:52.000
that, Peter. So how long did you do the crufts

00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:57.619
thing on BBC? 41 years. 41? Well. Amazing. I

00:46:57.619 --> 00:46:59.559
knew it had been a long time. One of the greatest

00:46:59.559 --> 00:47:01.840
innovations at Crufts over the years has been

00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:04.659
the development of the Discover Dogs pavilions.

00:47:05.019 --> 00:47:07.980
Every breed of dog recognised by the Kennel Club

00:47:07.980 --> 00:47:11.159
can be found here on any day of the show. I'm

00:47:11.159 --> 00:47:14.599
standing by a stand of my favourite breed. I

00:47:14.599 --> 00:47:18.000
keep these myself, standard wire -haired Dachshunds.

00:47:18.059 --> 00:47:19.500
They're getting a bit of attention, which is

00:47:19.500 --> 00:47:22.699
nice to see. Lovely animals, but there are six

00:47:22.699 --> 00:47:25.480
Dachshunds. This is an interesting thing. More

00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:29.099
Dachshund breeds. as a breed than anything else.

00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:32.480
They're only determined by size and by their

00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:35.420
coat. You have standard wire hairs, standard

00:47:35.420 --> 00:47:39.239
long hairs, standard smooths. You also have miniatures

00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:41.260
of the same. Six different ones, essentially

00:47:41.260 --> 00:47:44.239
it's the same dog in a slightly different guise.

00:47:46.590 --> 00:47:49.170
The owners of each breed come along to Discover

00:47:49.170 --> 00:47:51.429
Dogs and can talk. You can get all the information

00:47:51.429 --> 00:47:53.809
you need to know about a particular breed. Andrew

00:47:53.809 --> 00:47:56.289
and Beverly here own the wires. These are lovely

00:47:56.289 --> 00:47:58.130
standard wire haired dachshunds. There's one

00:47:58.130 --> 00:48:00.469
down there on the floor as well. I love them.

00:48:00.690 --> 00:48:04.130
Why do you like the dachshund? I think it's a

00:48:04.130 --> 00:48:09.369
breed that is quite gregarious. It's happy to

00:48:09.369 --> 00:48:11.809
stay at home in front of the fire. Or it's happy

00:48:11.809 --> 00:48:14.469
to do a ten mile walk. What's the hardest thing

00:48:14.469 --> 00:48:16.920
about them? For me... it's giving them the right

00:48:16.920 --> 00:48:19.219
amount of food and keeping the weight down. Dachshunds

00:48:19.219 --> 00:48:22.139
love their food, so it is a question of weighing

00:48:22.139 --> 00:48:25.059
the food out and making sure that they only have

00:48:25.059 --> 00:48:26.599
the right amount of food, otherwise they will

00:48:26.599 --> 00:48:29.480
put weight on. It's a problem I find all the

00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:30.980
time. They're absolutely gorgeous. I'm going

00:48:30.980 --> 00:48:33.039
to look at some of the other varieties, but I

00:48:33.039 --> 00:48:35.039
mustn't just hog it all with our lovely wires,

00:48:35.179 --> 00:48:37.960
we'll look at some of the others. We talked about

00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:42.139
the standard wires, well these are the Smooth

00:48:42.139 --> 00:48:45.159
hair, standard size. Well, they're not all, because

00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:47.219
there's a long hair in there. We're getting all

00:48:47.219 --> 00:48:52.699
confused. But don't you bark at me. Aren't you

00:48:52.699 --> 00:49:04.300
lovely? I've got to say, this is a typical pose.

00:49:05.380 --> 00:49:08.280
A Dachshund, not disturbed by anything. I mean,

00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:10.579
there are people all around here walking past

00:49:10.579 --> 00:49:16.889
nearly standard. Look at this. Hey. Hey. Good

00:49:16.889 --> 00:49:22.130
morning. Absolutely gorgeous. Obviously, you're

00:49:22.130 --> 00:49:25.010
amazingly kind and come on to shows like this

00:49:25.010 --> 00:49:27.929
and chat about your career and how interesting

00:49:27.929 --> 00:49:30.489
it really is. But what are the next sort of moves

00:49:30.489 --> 00:49:33.610
for Peter Purves because you're still quite...

00:49:33.599 --> 00:49:37.800
quite lively, and I'll tell you what, if I hadn't

00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:39.760
have seen your age, I wouldn't have believed

00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:41.719
it, you know. You look absolutely wonderful.

00:49:42.099 --> 00:49:43.719
What's next for Peter Purves? Because you're

00:49:43.719 --> 00:49:45.260
not one that's going to retire. The next thing

00:49:45.260 --> 00:49:47.900
in the pipeline is a series of podcasts that

00:49:47.900 --> 00:49:50.719
I'm going to do, which are going to be about

00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:55.780
dogs, and going to be about famous people with

00:49:55.780 --> 00:50:00.420
dogs, essentially. So that's just going to be

00:50:00.420 --> 00:50:03.349
the hook that we hang it on. Brilliant. But that's

00:50:03.349 --> 00:50:06.989
going to be a sponsored podcast. I've got an

00:50:06.989 --> 00:50:09.170
association with a company called Limp Bells

00:50:09.170 --> 00:50:17.010
who are, they do a, it's a joint supplement for

00:50:17.010 --> 00:50:20.110
dogs. Okay. Which is called Youmoo. And I'm the

00:50:20.110 --> 00:50:24.829
ambassador for that. And so that will be tied

00:50:24.829 --> 00:50:29.550
in with that. I do a regular tweet once a month

00:50:29.550 --> 00:50:32.650
or once a fortnight. I'm doing regular tweets,

00:50:33.090 --> 00:50:36.550
Facebook postings on their behalf about various

00:50:36.550 --> 00:50:40.710
things to do with dogs. It's not keeping me busy,

00:50:41.070 --> 00:50:43.110
but it is something that I'm doing. I'm hoping

00:50:43.110 --> 00:50:45.809
there'll be more Big Finish work. There's no

00:50:45.809 --> 00:50:49.190
reason why not. The writers that work for Big

00:50:49.190 --> 00:50:51.389
Finish are always keen to write something for

00:50:51.389 --> 00:50:56.110
Stephen. There are several writers that I have

00:50:56.110 --> 00:51:00.230
done some really expensive work on Big Finish.

00:51:00.250 --> 00:51:03.889
with. One is Simon Garrier, one is Juna McCormack.

00:51:05.369 --> 00:51:08.730
They write wonderful things. It's a very nice

00:51:08.730 --> 00:51:10.849
medium. I like acting on radio. I think it's

00:51:10.849 --> 00:51:15.090
good fun. It has the additional bonus you don't

00:51:15.090 --> 00:51:18.130
have to learn the lines. But you do need to do

00:51:18.130 --> 00:51:20.050
your homework beforehand if it's going to be

00:51:20.050 --> 00:51:23.590
right. I do work very hard to make those as good

00:51:23.590 --> 00:51:26.329
as I possibly can. So I'm hoping more of that

00:51:26.329 --> 00:51:28.070
will come along. There's no reason why they won't

00:51:28.070 --> 00:51:30.090
be going during the lockdown. It's been difficult.

00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:35.039
I've done one story since the lockdown where

00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:38.679
I was in a studio in Suffolk with a video link

00:51:38.679 --> 00:51:41.840
to the director and that's all. There was no

00:51:41.840 --> 00:51:44.300
one else so with all my bits and all the rest

00:51:44.300 --> 00:51:46.820
we've done in other studios with other people

00:51:46.820 --> 00:51:52.559
we know. It hasn't gone out yet but it will have

00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:55.900
been quite a difficult editing job. So I think

00:51:55.900 --> 00:51:58.139
it'll be very good, it's a true story, so fingers

00:51:58.139 --> 00:52:01.199
crossed. Fingers crossed indeed, Peter. Sue's

00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:03.380
got one last question for you. Yeah, it's just

00:52:03.380 --> 00:52:05.840
a question. You said you've got a gold blue Peter

00:52:05.840 --> 00:52:07.599
badge. Was there different colour blue Peter

00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:11.039
badges? Oh, where have you been all your life,

00:52:11.360 --> 00:52:15.739
Sue? She wasn't allowed to watch it. When I was

00:52:15.739 --> 00:52:26.800
in it, there were... with a blue ship on it,

00:52:27.280 --> 00:52:29.719
which was the standard one. Then there was a

00:52:29.719 --> 00:52:32.260
competition. I'm not counting competition badges.

00:52:32.739 --> 00:52:34.980
Then there was a silver -backed one. Actually,

00:52:34.980 --> 00:52:37.579
it was a blue one with a silver ship on it. And

00:52:37.579 --> 00:52:39.500
then there was the gold one, which is the gold

00:52:39.500 --> 00:52:42.659
not in the triangular shape, not in the shield

00:52:42.659 --> 00:52:45.980
shape. It's just a ship. It's the Blue Peter

00:52:45.980 --> 00:52:49.320
ship in gold. It is, of course, not real gold,

00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:52.099
but there we are. Those are the three. And the

00:52:52.099 --> 00:52:54.179
standard one would be given to people who...

00:52:54.190 --> 00:52:56.769
came up with an interesting idea for the program

00:52:56.769 --> 00:52:58.789
or just wrote a nice letter to us or whatever.

00:53:00.670 --> 00:53:03.510
They sent us a picture or something. If they

00:53:03.510 --> 00:53:05.409
did something exceptional, they'd get a silver

00:53:05.409 --> 00:53:08.210
badge. If they did something really extraordinary

00:53:08.210 --> 00:53:10.210
and there were only a few, then they would get

00:53:10.210 --> 00:53:13.449
the gold badge. And that's what it was. Now,

00:53:13.889 --> 00:53:16.969
there are a great number of badges. I mean, badges

00:53:16.969 --> 00:53:18.889
for the different anniversaries, because I mean,

00:53:18.989 --> 00:53:22.489
the show's been going over 60 years now. 62 years,

00:53:22.630 --> 00:53:25.940
I mean, it's incredible. It's still going and

00:53:25.940 --> 00:53:29.219
it's a green badge which is for environmental

00:53:29.219 --> 00:53:32.179
things, the sports badge, there's all sorts of

00:53:32.179 --> 00:53:34.639
different badges. Kids like collecting badges.

00:53:35.599 --> 00:53:41.380
I used to be a Cub Scout. You did something,

00:53:41.440 --> 00:53:45.019
you got a badge for it. You're a rope climber

00:53:45.019 --> 00:53:48.739
or you can light a fire, a campfire, then you

00:53:48.739 --> 00:53:52.420
got your camping badge and so on. You wanted

00:53:52.420 --> 00:53:54.880
those badges. So kids have always liked that.

00:53:55.239 --> 00:53:58.860
And they still do. They still like them. It is

00:53:58.860 --> 00:54:02.179
still, it's not just a cult following. It's still

00:54:02.179 --> 00:54:05.860
a very successful show. It doesn't get the kind

00:54:05.860 --> 00:54:07.599
of audience that we used to get. It couldn't.

00:54:07.659 --> 00:54:10.639
Nothing does. Not even EastEnders and places

00:54:10.639 --> 00:54:12.280
like that. They don't get our kind of audience.

00:54:12.420 --> 00:54:14.800
We used to get eight and a half million during

00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:17.260
the winter months and we used to get five million

00:54:17.260 --> 00:54:20.480
even during the summer months. without playing.

00:54:20.780 --> 00:54:22.159
I think he gets about a quarter of a million

00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:25.619
now or something. To go on a summer filming trip

00:54:25.619 --> 00:54:27.460
and then have a holiday ourselves and then we

00:54:27.460 --> 00:54:29.820
come back and off we go. We did 80 episodes a

00:54:29.820 --> 00:54:34.900
year. I think I did something like 850 episodes

00:54:34.900 --> 00:54:37.059
of the show. I don't doubt you for one minute.

00:54:37.260 --> 00:54:39.539
Peter, it's been absolutely amazing but before

00:54:39.539 --> 00:54:42.300
you do go, you brought a book out some time ago.

00:54:42.380 --> 00:54:45.360
Tell us the title of that and it's an autobiography

00:54:45.360 --> 00:54:49.030
type book I believe, yeah? I believe you brought

00:54:49.030 --> 00:54:51.230
out an autobiography if you tell us about that

00:54:51.230 --> 00:54:55.309
please. It's out of print now. It's not been

00:54:55.309 --> 00:54:57.969
reprinted. It's sold about 8 ,000 copies in hardback.

00:54:58.809 --> 00:55:01.110
And it was called, here's one I wrote earlier.

00:55:01.969 --> 00:55:06.869
Brilliant, I like it. People still keep on finding

00:55:06.869 --> 00:55:16.880
it. They turn up on eBay. It wasn't really an

00:55:16.880 --> 00:55:19.340
autobiography. It was as I remembered things.

00:55:19.820 --> 00:55:21.860
I wrote it straight off the cuff, straight out

00:55:21.860 --> 00:55:24.699
of my head. I didn't do a great deal of research

00:55:24.699 --> 00:55:26.980
on it. I just wrote about what I remembered.

00:55:27.559 --> 00:55:31.340
People seemed to have liked it. The press didn't.

00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:35.340
The Daily Mail hated it. I don't want to do sort

00:55:35.340 --> 00:55:39.500
of iffy reviews, but the audience for whom I

00:55:39.500 --> 00:55:41.340
wrote it... Well, it was great, so that's fine.

00:55:41.480 --> 00:55:43.139
And that's what's important. And one very last

00:55:43.139 --> 00:55:46.619
thing, Peter. Websites, Facebook groups, anything

00:55:46.619 --> 00:55:49.019
you've got, this is your moment. Just throw it

00:55:49.019 --> 00:55:50.820
all out to the listeners now, please. Thank you.

00:55:51.039 --> 00:55:54.860
Well, obviously my website is available. It's

00:55:54.860 --> 00:55:58.340
not up to date, I have to admit. It needs updating

00:55:58.340 --> 00:56:00.880
by at least a year and a half. I haven't done

00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:04.159
anything to it since the lockdown. But that's

00:56:04.159 --> 00:56:08.769
a nice, simple one. www .peterpervis .net So

00:56:08.769 --> 00:56:13.710
that's an easy one. I'm on Facebook and I'm on

00:56:13.710 --> 00:56:17.429
Twitter at service underscore Peter. Brilliant.

00:56:18.730 --> 00:56:21.050
Thank you very much. Perfect, Peter. Thank you

00:56:21.050 --> 00:56:23.289
very much, Peter. It's been an absolute pleasure

00:56:23.289 --> 00:56:25.110
for us to chat to you. Pleasure for me as well.

00:56:25.250 --> 00:56:57.019
Thanks very much. You have been listening to

00:56:57.019 --> 00:56:59.579
the Chatterbox Redux podcast with Sue and Nick

00:56:59.579 --> 00:57:03.400
and today our special guest was Blue Peter and

00:57:03.400 --> 00:57:07.059
Cruff's TV presenter and Doctor Who actor Peter

00:57:07.059 --> 00:57:09.679
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