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How are you, sir? I'm very well. I'm OK. Thank
you very much. It looks a lot more sunny over
where you are, the other side of the pond, than
it is here. Yeah, it's a little bit more than
sunny here. It's hot. We're having a bit of a
heat wave. But we're coping with it. Little air
conditioning. knowledge of Eden Kane. I mean,
I told you off air that I go back to the 80s,
but being born in the late 60s myself. Well,
dare I say your brother Peter was at number one
when I was born. So it gives you an idea how
old I am. But my mum's record collection did
have a couple of your songs in. And if I remember
correctly, they were Blue Decker Decker label.
That's right. Yeah. I played them. So I knew
who you were when I started getting into music.
So that's all good. And how amazing is it to
be able to chat to you? But tell me, how it came
about why this song tell us all about that well
uh you know different uh songwriters um i'm calling
myself a songwriter now and they write different
songs they write their songs in different ways
you know and sometimes it comes inspirational
you know everything is a figment of your imagination
anyway so so basically whenever you get an idea
for a song, you either, if you have the foresight
to have a pencil handy or you can record it on
your phone or whatever it is. And so once you
get a basic idea of what you think, this particular
song, a little bit of rock and roll started out
as exactly what the title is saying. It's a little
bit of rock and roll, which basically, I mean,
I'd written songs before. They were sort of country
-ish and also a little bit like that, but not
completely sort of a rock and roll thing. And
this one isn't either. This is more of a country
song that kind of tells a story. And it's basically,
I was inspired by a movie, as a matter of fact,
by Marlon Brando called One -Eyed Jacks. And
it's about a guy in a bar and he's trying to
pick up a girl who's at the bar. And then he
realizes that her boyfriend is a Mexican bandit.
So I thought, you know, oh, that's interesting.
Now I've got to come up with a tune. So basically
that's that was the germ of the of the idea is
I was a great Brando fan in those days. It was
the one one of the movies, maybe the only one
that that he directed as well. And so I thought,
that's interesting. Maybe I could make this into
a into a little rocker, you know, and And it
happened. So that was great. That's brilliant.
So there's me thinking, well, maybe part of it,
the inspiration is your story, perhaps. Is there
maybe some subliminal sort of something behind
this, you know, that may have crept into the
song about your life in particular, being a rock
and roll star yourself? Yeah, no, not only that.
No, not really. I wish I could say, okay, this,
this had some sort of deep meaning to it, but
no, no, no, it's just basically a little rock
and roll song, you know, it's a little bit of
rock and roll. And, um, and so, no, there's,
there's no hidden meaning. It's, but it's, it's
a traditional story, you know, boy meets a girl
or tries to to go a little bit further but realize
that she has a boyfriend. So then, as far as
the music part of it was concerned, that's something
that came afterwards and then the rest is history,
I guess. Great history there. What else can we
expect from you? song you said yourself you've
been doing songwriting and you know right yeah
my other songs uh you know the the songs that
were hits in the early days um they were written
by most of them were written by uh well three
of them were for sure maybe four but uh the fourth
one wasn't a hit was will i ask you uh get lost
and forget me not were written by johnny worth
uh slash les van dyck who also wrote what do
you want for Adam Faith. So my management said
can you write a song for our boy type of thing
and they said sure. So Johnny came up with will
I ask you so he wrote the song and then I was
kind of dabbling in writing so I wrote some of
the b -sides they said well we stick your song
on the b -side type of thing so you know that's
how my songwriting started and now when I I got
some good reaction from this particular song.
I was doing it on tour when I was on tour with
Marty Wilde and Joe Brown and Mark Winter, Mike
Berry. So we did quite a few tours together,
especially with Marty, my old mate. And the band
seemed to say, hey, Rick, that's a good song.
You know, that you should make some... make an
effort to try to make it make it work. And so
that's that's it started then. I'm talking a
few years ago. And so I decided to do it, you
know, redo, redo it, you know, with a new producer.
Yeah, I like that. Well, you mentioned Marty
Wilde and Marty Wilde is the singer that I've
actually interviewed the most times. Seventeen.
Wow. I mean, I mean, Marty, yeah, that's great.
You know, but I've got to ask you a couple of
I mean, we talk about the song and where you
want to go with it and tours and everything else
in limo but as we got into the early days briefly
a couple of songs a couple of questions one well
both of these i've actually asked marty over
the years is sort of like when you get out on
that stage as edan cain do you keep your private
persona behind you is that left behind and you
get in on stage in your Eden Kane when it's finished
you're not Eden Kane anymore can you split the
two up or how does it work out? That's a great
question actually because I'm sure you get two
answers from you know you get one or two it's
either one or two one is yes you change you become
who you are you know so I'm Rick Sarsour once
I get out of the suit and all that kind of stuff,
you know, and I'm off stage type thing, that
would be, if you continue with that, you know,
I think that's kind of dangerous, you know, because
suddenly you're going to be very disappointed,
you know, if you're expecting to suddenly be
treated like Eden Cain as you're on the stage
in real life type of thing, because the stage
is like a fantasy world. It's another world.
there are there are other people who are who
are they they are all the time some folk singers
and blah blah blah and they they just are that
person you know um me with me uh even you know
even kane was is an act you know and and although
i'm him and i enjoy being out there doing it
um when i get off stage um i'm i'm rick yes great
great marty's answer was pretty similar To be
quite honest with you, bearing in mind he was
having hits 57 times. Oh, yeah. I mean, Marty
was one of my idols way back and still is. I
mean, from the old boy days, you know. Oh, yeah,
of course. Yeah. With Cliff and Billy and Billy
and all those guys. And well, there was a bunch
of them. Even Joe was, I think, in that era,
starting in the late 58, 59. Yeah, I've met Mark
Winter said much the same, you know, it is different.
Yeah. Yeah. It's a great answer. But it also
it also means I can ask a great question to people
listening at home. But it's also not encroaching
on you personally, you know, which is it's interesting
as to how it works out because you've had a few
years practice now. That's a couple. This is
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Can I ask you, why did you not go with the surname
Sarstet when Robin and Peter kept it? I know
you were a little bit ahead of them, but what
was the reason? Was it a management decision
or was that yours initially? Well, first of all,
Peter, he came later so he didn't tell me that
it would work. Basically, you know, people want
to have like a marquee type name, or at least
the management, you know, when they find someone
and they say, I have to change your name, because
in my case, it was Richard Sarstead. That's too
complicated. You know, it's not going to look
good on a marquee or whatever it is, because
they had a plan. You know, they were, you know,
they were the guys with the big cigars, you know,
so I got to make you a star boy. But you've got
to do what you're told. First of all, we've got
to change your name and make it into something
more that's easier to deal with. So that was
the reason. And then they came up with the name.
And at the time, I was thinking to myself, I'll
do anything. I'm suddenly being discovered, as
they say. And so they tell you to do something.
And you say, oh, absolutely. just give me my
20 quid, I'll be fine. But it was just basically
me agreeing with them saying, okay, you're going
to be now Eden King. And so I went, okay, and
it worked. So it does. Right. Well, it did work,
didn't it? Yeah, absolutely. How does this compare
in 2025 to early 60s? So do you still get this?
Do you still get recognized? And is it a pain
in the backside? No, well, I live in LA, you
know, to begin with, and also When I had my brief
success back in the 60s, and we did try to go
to New York, we did try to break into the American
scene. We went to New York and I popped in and
saw all these people and DJs like Murray the
K and people like that. I went to the Apollo
Theater in New York and I watched the Yeah, you
know, I put my head in the dressing room doors
of Smokey Robinson and the Supremes and all those
people, blah, blah, blah. But then me going in
that day, this is pre Beatles, obviously, and,
you know, British acts at the time, you know,
it was like taking calls to Newcastle in a way,
you know, you go with, we have one of you, we
have several of you, you know, that's my interpretation
of it. You know, go back to, you know. go back
where you're a little bit more, you're not the
usual, because they already had their quarter
of rock star, Frankie Avalon and Fabian and Bobby
Rydell, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, and
a whole bunch of people. But then when the Beatles
broke through and the whole world changed, but
at that time it was all about American music
and about American acts. Another one who was
huge who got affected soon after the Beatles
was different to you and Marty we say, but of
course we did have Frank Ifield who quite amazingly
had the Beatles support him, but when the four
boys, you know, the Mersey beat scene came along,
it did seem to affect a lot of these solo artists
unfortunately and a lot of great guys. people
were buying the record sale. What did you do
in the intervening years from when that happened
to the present day? I mean have you always toured?
I know you've done some of these tours with like
Marty we've said and a few others. What have
you basically done? I mean has the tours been
almost annually or what's been going on over
the decades? Right well over the decades it's
somehow it was we usually started the tour it
was usually a fall tour, I should say, starting
at around September, October, November, in that
little section. And the tours were either very
long tours, some of them were like 53 days, and
the others were more, and then they eventually
got cut down to about 20 or 30. So in those days,
it was like, you know, the 60s are back, it was
one of the, one of the eras that was one of the
most popular eras I think you know and then I
was very happy to be to be part of that you know
and when we first started out and there was a
whatchamacallit a production company called Flying
Music you know that was headed by Derek Nichol
fantastic guy and a great friend And he organized
all these early tours of Solid Gold and etc.
etc. etc. I was just happy to be there, you know,
because I've been doing other stuff. I've been
doing like real estate, you know, and doing work
in the movies and things like that, because no
one had ever heard of me over here in LA. And
so it was great to go okay to go back. and then
go back to being in Cambridge for a little while
and enjoy myself. It was good. It was great fun.
It's great. It's great you can be in LA and just
chill out and you don't get all that. There must
have been a point in the early 60s when you couldn't
go to the local shop or go to a pub. Those days
were gone. Yeah. There was a couple of weeks
back there that I couldn't. But basically I wasn't
like wandering around saying I wonder if I'm
going to be recognized. But there was, there
is a moment if you get to, I mean, when at the
beginning of, uh, of the whole thing, when I,
well, I asked who came out and then he said,
and he goes to number one, you know, and people
usually say, don't let that go to your head,
mate. He said, you know, you know, this is, this
is temporary. You know, this is a fleeting thing.
So don't start getting big headed about it and
all that. And actually, and I didn't, but there,
there were moments. you know, where you, you
do sort of enter into that sort of persona and
start thinking, Oh my God, you know, um, you,
you became a little bit more entitled or you
think you are, you know, uh, but you soon wake
up. Sure. But then again, saying that, so we're
talking about that and getting to number one
or forget me not. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. in 1961 or
62 when you couldn't possibly have envisaged
it's all right saying that you know you could
have envisaged in 2025 people like myself will
be wanting to talk to you and talk to you it's
crazy it's a miracle it's a miracle it's a flat
miracle uh the But basically, you know, sometimes,
you know, you try to be I don't I don't want
to be to say, oh, it's all about the music, you
know, it is in a way and it's all about song.
So when you first have a hit record, it's about
the song because it's all they did back in the
day. They just heard it on the radio, you know,
and then. Then there'd be a follow -up if there
was a success. So they never saw you until you
went on one of the shows like Thank Your Lucky
Stars back in the day or Top of the Pops and
all that kind of stuff. Then suddenly because
as soon as you get on television, then you're
that person. So I can't go... You can never go
back and say, I can do that again because I...
I know I can't, I mean, I'm way too old for that.
But, um, but I can still, if, if you can still
do something, you should do it, right? That's
what I was thinking. I mean, and I would realize
if they say, well, I'm way too old and decrepit
to do any more of that stuff, you know, can't
do that. Certain things, of course, I can't,
you know, but But then you say, OK, I can do
this. I can still write a song and I can still
sing it. So let's give it a go. Sing it pretty
well as well, actually. I'm very happy with the
way I found it. It so happened, that's true,
because I live in L .A. and because there are
a lot of people that I've met in the business
and people who have become friends. before they
became helping me with music and stuff, like
a producer who produced a little bit. His name
is Michael Lloyd and he's been in the business
for a long, long time and he's got a hundred
platinum records on his wall. And we were friends
way before I said, hey, Mike, I've got the song.
Let's go in the studio and do something. Are
you up for it? And he said, yeah, yeah, sure,
let's, yeah, let's try it, you know, and so,
so I'm back. And what about the video that goes
with a little bit of rock and roll? Oh, the video,
there was an, we were going to do a green screen
thing where there was going to be some fantastic
things and people still do that, you know, where
they're, you know, it's, it's all with the AI
and the background, because I remember when I
was working on Star Trek, there'd be a scene
and the actors would actors would come out onto
a balcony and then there was and we're talking
25 30 years ago and when the green it was green
screen and it was blue screen and there was thousands
of people you know it took like Star Trek but
back in the day Star Trek took eight days to
to to film each episode you know unless there
was overtime but and then it took six weeks for
post post -production. So then they were adding
all the stuff with the aliens and the backgrounds
and the different planets and all that kind of
stuff. So it's been going on for a long, long
time. So the video, I was thinking, and it was
Michael who said, let's just do a natural one
of us in the studio with you, not necessarily
sing, but you'll sing it. But I'm going to shoot
it from different angles, blah, blah, blah. And
then we're going to splice it with all the stuff
from different videos that you had done in the
past of the hits. So that's how that came about.
It's great to be honest with you. It's great,
but simple to the extreme, to the extent where
there's a very young Eden Kane on the screen
and then it just... Yeah, and then there's the
other guy. I love it. Just the way it filters
through. There you are. having the ball in it
you you're naturally oh yeah you know i'm saying
you know i said it's it's a kind of a disbelief
in a way where you're going out i'm you know
i'm back doing something that i did you know
when i was 20 years old 21 years old i mean wow
um and um i'm very happy to you know it's the
old saying i'm very happy to be here yeah this
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oh yeah chatterbox chatterbox chatterbox because
like i said i've been following and waiting for
this release for let's say within the last couple
of years uh it must be that long we were talking
to graham and people do they don't know might
not know who graham is where he basically uh
puts your tours together in the uk basically
the 60s things Basically, in that case, people
didn't actually quite. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Graham
is a is a is a mover and a shaker. And I call
him my supervisor. But he's very, very good.
He's excellent. I remember seeing Graham way,
way back in the day. I'm in L .A. at this little
club that I'm that I I used to work at three
or four days. It's more like a pub. I call it
a club. It's a pub. And and with lives. you know,
and I happened to be in the band and one day
I'm singing away and through the door comes Graham
with Gordon Mills and oh, I said, is that Gordon
Mills? So Graham says, hey Rick, we've come to
have a look and just check in with you. And if
you don't know, you know who Gordon Mills was
the manager. He was also in a group. that was
managed by my management company. What the hell
is the name? But, but also, um, he then became
the manager of Tom Jones and Engelbert Humperney.
So, uh, unfortunately he is no longer with us,
but what a lovely guy. Just absolutely lovely
guy. And he came to the club. Another time Graham
shows up, then he's, then he's gone for a couple
of weeks. Next day, like about, I'd say a year
or so later, in comes Graham with PJ Proby into
the club. Oh my God. Where are you getting these
people? Looking at Jim, I go, Jim, what the hell
are you doing here? Thanks for coming. And he
got up and sang a song, killed him, as he does.
Incredible voice. And we had a nice chat. I'd
also toured with Jim, PJ, in Australia, New Zealand.
Oh, we got that. And obviously, thanks to Zoom.
Yeah. Talk to people like me at weird hours and
enjoy the sunshine still. And it's pretty good
for everyone. In the days of Tottenham Pops and
you were there one day, then you had to go to
Granada Studios and it was just all those miles.
You could just sit at home and we get really
good sound quality as well. Yeah, I know. It's
incredible, you know, the advances that have
been made, you know. Well, yeah, absolutely.
told you that I go back to BBC local radio in
the ages and I told you and it was purely people
you might have them on the phone on a landline,
no mobiles then of course, or they'd have to
travel miles and miles and miles to speech in
a studio. That's what it was. Oh, that's right.
Absolutely. And it was like a one on one thing.
Now it's all it on the internet or as you say,
zoom calls and stuff like that. Yeah. So you're
talking to people like myself, of course. So
what else is being planned to coincide with this
release? I mean, can we expect to this autumn
or what's going on? Well, I don't know. Not this
autumn. You know, these things take, you know,
take time and also you've got to get the right
venue, the right, you know, offer in the right
situation, you know. And so if there's a call
for it, I would love to do it. You know, if someone
says, hey, Why don't we do a few dates or something
like that? I'd be happy to do that. But in the
meantime, I'm, you know, I'm just very, very
glad that I'm able to do another, you know, have
another round. Brilliant. I do love the song.
I really do. Thank you. Are there any other songs
in the can? Because now you're writing songs.
I mean, you don't just write one song. Yes, there's
another one. that I'm going to do. It's a follow
up. And as they say in the old days, you've got
to have a follow up. And so I've got one and
I'm going to go and see Michael and we'll go
on the shooting. This one won't, it won't take
that long to do, but so I'll have another one
ready soon. Brilliant. Looking forward to that
as well. And I would be pushy and say, How about
an album but we're we're talking about the second
single when it comes and we're worried about
yeah, right Yeah, look at some social media for
you. I found edencain .com Eden which is a website.
Yeah Uh, yeah edencain .com here tells people
I think all that they need to know a little bit
on the on your brothers as well. Uh Yeah, this
is pretty good website, actually. So it looks
like other links are there as well for social
media. Right. Yeah, it's looking good. Yeah,
absolutely. That's it's EdenKane .com is my official
website. And and that's where you could find
and you could vote and stuff, stuff like that,
you know, so which is good. Yeah, new video favorites.
Yeah, so that everything that everything people
need is their EdenKane .com. Yeah. Right, well,
I would love to chat to you about the new song
as well, when it comes. The new new song, the
follow up, the follow up, sorry. Yeah, right.
Oh, absolutely. Sure. Yeah. Aidan, you're looking
great. You're looking great. I don't know what
you're doing, but you need to bring out a book.
We'll talk about autobiographies next time, maybe,
and a book. You look so good. Seriously, you're
looking good. So just keep doing whatever it
is. Thank you. Thank you so much, Nick. I really
appreciate you. giving me a call that'd be fantastic.
Hopefully you're good with it and I know the
guys at home are going to enjoy the interview
as well and Eden Kane thank you so much for coming
on Chatterbox UK. My pleasure and thank you.
Thank you sir, bye bye. Take care, bye bye. This
edition of the Chatterbox Redux podcast was presented
by Nick. I thank my special guest who was Eden
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