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And now here they are, Nick and Sue on Chatterbox.

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When the stars talk, they talk to Nick and Sue.

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And welcome back to the Chatterbox Redux podcast

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with Nick and Sue. And today our guest is Jeff

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Wayne of The War of the Worlds. And now on Chatterbox

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UK we're just lucky enough to welcome Jeff Wayne.

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Jeff, welcome to Chatterbox. How are you, sir?

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Hello, Jeff. Hi there, you guys. Thank you for

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your invitation. I look forward to our chat on

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Chatterbox. Yes, absolutely. It's great to meet

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you at last. Okay. Now, I think most of our listeners

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would be aware of, obviously, War of the Worlds.

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It's an album that sold, I think, is it 16 million

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copies or something? Something amazing, anyway.

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And as the years have gone by, you've basically,

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there's been a reworks version we'd like to talk

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about. Now, we've got a new version of War of

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the Worlds, a new radio edit, and we've got this

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thing to do with National Album Day, so are you

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giving that a bit of a push? And also, I hope

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we've got time, we've got you doing a tour and

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I'm pleased to say you're coming within 30 miles

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of us to Brighton, so we'll be catching you then.

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So, Jeff, anniversary, I know you did a 35th

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and so on, but... the reimagined play and the

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album that's out, I mean, basically, what's different

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about it? Well, every production we've ever done,

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right from the very beginning, beginning of our

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arena tours, which started in 2006, have all

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been different. I've never wanted to just take

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it out of the box and do it the same way each

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time. That would be a bit too easy. And I don't

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think it would be of a great challenge for us

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as creative people. And we want to entertain

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audiences in a way that is always looking at

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what's technology, for example, what's new in

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technology, using it, incorporating it into our

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arena tours. We've had it's called the war of

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the world's experience. occupies a whole building,

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24 rooms, a bar and a restaurant all sort of

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decorated in steampunk. You're greeted by a Martian

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fighting machine when you enter and it fires,

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doesn't fire real flames like we do in our arena

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tours. The fighting machine at the experience

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is smoke and light, but it's very effective and

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It's an example of something that, sort of like

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my original double album, that we had no idea

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what this sort of acceptance, if there would

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be, by the public, the critics, the media. And

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this experience, we thought if it ran three to

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six months, we would have done very well. And

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it's now in its sixth year, and it's going at

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least to the end of the seventh year. And that's

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really been my whole history sort of with the

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War of the Worlds. Every new production, the

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West End, the tours, our audio book with Michael

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Sheen and Taron Egerton. Every interpretation

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is different. The score has always been the heart

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of every one of these productions, but I add

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new things. I look at and listen to the way the

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grooves are sounding and the technology in our

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arena tours is quite something because if you

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compare our first tour in 2006 when it was considered

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a pretty groundbreaking multimedia extravaganza,

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it bears no real similarity to the show we're

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doing now. Just the pushing and challenging of

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of new ways of interpreting without losing the

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essence of my original score. Perfect. Well,

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you can imagine me when it came out, I was something

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like I was eight years old when it came out and

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I did soon after my birthday. And I got one of

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those little vouchers for some records. It might

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be W. H. Smith or someone. But I went and bought

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the album with it. Absolutely true. And I've

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got to tell you now, Jeff, when I put the stylus

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on and those first few bars of the Eve of War,

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imagine a kid listening to that playing it too

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loud. You imagine what. So absolutely amazing.

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And it was sort of like, wow, this thing's great.

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It's futuristic, but classical at the same time.

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And those few bars, just amazing. And of course,

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I'm pleased to say that's, of course, the new

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radio edits of Eve of War. I've just had it blasting

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in my headphones. Totally and utterly amazing.

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That's why we're sticking it straight on our

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playlist. But can I ask you, Geoff, obviously

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the inspiration is, of course, the War of the

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Worlds from HG Wells. As a kid, as you were growing

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up, were you into classical music or were you

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into rock and what was your inspiration as a

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kid, just out of interest? Well, it comes from

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the fact that From about the age of five, I started

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taking piano lessons. My dad was a very popular

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singer and actor in the United States for many

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years. And so I always was growing up around

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musicians and writers and directors, creative

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talent. And I started with classical piano. And

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then many years later, I switched to jazz, living

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in New York at the time. I went to a teacher

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who was a brilliant musician in his own right,

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named John Mahigan, but he also wrote books and

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took on certain people for pupils. And I was

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fortunate that he took me on. He taught at the

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Juilliard School of Music in New York, and then

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came back to England. Pop music was starting

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to come out. Bill Haley in the Comets was my

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first awareness of an act that was making incredible

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energy unique in the way they performed. They

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came to England. I was living here as a young

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boy. Whereas Elvis, who never came here, I was

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becoming familiar with his records when he became

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the legend that he did. But I've been in... involved

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as a writer and a producer in probably most genres

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of music. So I feel sort of at home in most genres,

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but I love writing classical string orchestrations.

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And The War of the Worlds contains, I think,

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a mixture of styles because the HGOL story motivated

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me to, I sort of in my mind was creating a musical

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ping pong match in that when the story is being

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told through the eyes of humanity, it's much

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more acoustic and string orientated. And when

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it switches and we're being told about the Martians,

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their machines, their weaponry, it becomes much

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more electronic and aggressive. And it's all

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linked together. It's a continuous work. The

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truth is You know, if you'd asked me, as I was,

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who did I think was going to like this sort of

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double album? I remember answering, I have no

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idea. I really don't know who it will appeal

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to. But I had so many wonderful artists, musicians

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and technicians involved with me that I always

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felt if I could just see the album for one week

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in the UK album charts, I would feel that I hadn't

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let everybody down, not knowing it would last

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in the charts in its first, however many years,

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330 weeks. And it keeps popping up now and then

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and like reissues on vinyl. And they always seem

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to do well. And here I am talking to you. Now,

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if I had been asked, would I be talking to you

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guys today, 48 years on? Of course not. That's

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great. Great answer. But then you go, it goes

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back to me hearing those bars for the first time.

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Never tired of it. Listening to the radio edit,

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which all the stations are going to be playing,

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it still sounds exciting. It is really exciting.

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Just like, you know, it is just amazing. Excites

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you every time. So if it does that to me still,

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someone hearing it for the first time in a younger

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audience, you know, the people that are just

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learning about it, like the record buyers of

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today, as I call them. Yeah. I heard it for the

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first time on the podcast, didn't I? You did.

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And it was amazing. Absolutely. And also, we've

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got the opening bars playing on the current EE

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mobile TV adverts. television here. Okay. That's

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also, I think, the 10th anniversary of that version

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coming out, which is the Ben Librand remix. So

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look for that coming up the charts as well as

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the single by Jeff. That's all rather good. So,

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Jeff, National Album Day, 19th of October. You're

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championing it with, obviously, the War of the

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Worlds remix double album by the looks of it.

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in yellow and orange vinyl. We give you a free

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pair of sunglasses because they're so bright,

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the two vinyl discs, that you need sunglasses

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to save time. Sue's just seen it, seen them.

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I like that. I like the cover as well. So that's

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a nice, and also on the 19th of October, because

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this will be going, yeah, it will be being played

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then, the show will. You're doing a one -off

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signing on National Album Day, 19th of October,

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at the Massive HMV in Oxford Street in London.

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I am, and I've done a couple over the years.

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And they're always good fun because you get to

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meet people that you wouldn't have in normal

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circumstances. So I'm looking forward to it.

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Yeah, National Album Day, I learned very recently.

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It's been going for some years. And this year,

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I'm one of their champions, as they call them,

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representing the war of the worlds. And there's

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others that are participating. in their own way

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on albums that they've been sort of praised for.

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That's great, absolutely great, and it's a great

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store as well, absolutely massive. And I love

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the yellow and orange double vinyl, but yeah,

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it's great, especially for such a fantastic album

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as well, you know, amazing. So the experience

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you mentioned, that is going to certainly run

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to the end of its seventh year. We've got War

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of the Worlds at the Dominion Theatre, Tottenham

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Court Road. I mean, that's already been on for

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some time again. How long is it the ticket's

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been sold for now? I think it's going to go on

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and on, but I mean, are they booking to the end

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of next year or where's that one going at the

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moment? Actually, we played there but are not

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playing any longer because what happened was

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that I was invited by now the late Bill Kenwright.

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to present the War of the Worlds in the West

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End for a limited season of seven weeks. It did

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so well, it was extended for another month. But

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by that point, we were confirmed to go back into

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the arenas because it was the 30th anniversary

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at that point of the release of the original

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double album of the War of the Worlds. So we

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were there in 2016. uh for however many months

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the it was 88 shows the season wound up but we

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have been talking and hope that we'll wind up

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back in the theaters because it's another it's

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another environment it's so different from uh

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arenas which of course are are giant and uh you

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have to redesign and rethink the show for uh

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even though the dominion is one of the biggest

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theaters in the west end uh about 2100 people

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the smallest arenas in the UK are about 4 ,000

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people and go up to 21 ,000 or so. So one is

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designing and communicating in a different sort

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of way when you're in a theatre that has different

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intimacy. It offers really some very exciting

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challenges. Oh, I can imagine. As I say, we're

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definitely going to be coming along to Brighton

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to see you because That's a bit of a modern square

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venue. And as you say, the smaller venues you're

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playing at are 4 ,000, which is about what Brighton

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has. It is about 4 ,000. Yeah, spot on, actually.

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Anyway, this World of Worlds Tour, while we've

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got you, is the Alive on Stage Tour, Spirit of

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Manta 2023, 2025 even. OK, now. We've got Liam

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Neeson a hologram of Liam Neeson, which is great

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You're conducting it. So you're there at the

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front conducting at every one of these Concerts

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as it plays around the country. You're actually

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there since 2006 I've never missed a show in

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the arenas and I didn't miss one show when we

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played 88 shows at the Dominion And long may

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that continue? Absolutely At the end of the interview,

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I should go through all the theatres that exist.

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It's like a dozen or more. So we do that at the

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end. So it doesn't take up your time. OK, what

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I'd like to ask is what's next for Jeff Wayne?

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Are we going for the 50th anniversary or we got

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something in between? Well, we may have something

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in between. But yes, we're going for a 50th anniversary.

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It's already being planned. And it's good that

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I was a three -year -old child prodigy when I

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wrote The War of the Worlds because I may not

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have made it to the 50th anniversary. Wow. That's

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a joke. Oh, I thought you were a real child.

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You know, I've seen them on TV before. Wow. This

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is funny. He was so serious. I can assure you.

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Well, very good. I like that. It's definitely

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staying in. What's the difference between the

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Spirit of Man tour and the original? Well, every

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tour has been different. There's always new ingredients

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that challenges the audience in new ways and

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emotionally and visually. The Spirit of Man is

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a duet that's in my original... uh, double album

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and it stays throughout. It's a duet between

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Parson Nathaniel and his wife, Beth. And it's

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an, in a way it's an argument between the two

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of them because the Parson is somebody you would

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think in times of stress, like a Martian invasion

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is, uh, the local community would come to him

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for moral and spiritual support, but he's the

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first one that really loses it. Whereas his wife,

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Beth, is a simple, decent woman who tries to

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bring him back from his madness and convince

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him that life is worth living for. It's so important

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that it's almost worth fighting for and even

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dying for. And it's a major moment in our story

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and in the score. And it's a very dramatic and

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emotional piece. And Many of our tours I've given

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a name to. So this is the War of the Worlds,

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the Spirit of Mantor, which I named not just

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because of the duet that appears in the show

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and on my albums, but because of the world we're

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living in at the moment. And what we need is

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a lot of good spirit and hope, which the song

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is really about. It's just a simple and small

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way of trying to... Pass that emotion on Jeff

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when you're on tour and you go to these big venues

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do any of the people in the audience like get

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dressed up or Yeah, we've had Many tours where

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I'm more aware of it when maybe I'm leaving the

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venue and there's some people waiting outside

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and I suddenly see them dressed as the characters

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in the war of the worlds It and it's amazing

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and it's it's wonderful because again you realize

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how over the years we've reached people and We're

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now and again. It's only because we're in performing

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for so many years now the the tours That we've

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started to realize we're into our third generation

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people because you know you said earlier Nick

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that you became aware of it when you were eight?

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Yeah, absolutely. So here you are now, a man

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of what, 32, 33? I'm afraid I'm 35 now. Thank

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you. Thank you very much. I try to get away with

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that one as well. But yeah, so you now are of

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an age where perhaps you have a child or children

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and they've grown up and they're bringing their

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children and we see them and I only started to

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see this when we started touring because how

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else do you know who's buying your album short

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of doing a signing at a record store? You mostly

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only know how well a record is done. Is it in

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the charts? Is it being played? Is it selling?

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But you don't always truly know who those people

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are. And I'm discounting mail that comes our

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way of people who have admired the War of the

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Worlds. But you're not meeting them. You just

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know about their appreciation of the work. Sure.

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Jeff, comment for you. Nick's just loaded up

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your Wikipedia page. Cool, you're a handsome

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guy in that picture. He still is. Look at him.

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Without saying on air. Well, not on air, but

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have you seen how old he is? Yes. Wow. Amazing.

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brilliant but you look really good in that picture

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well thank you very much i must check wikipedia

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out to see which one it is but thank you very

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much standing next to a mic stand obviously that

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picture was taken here in my studio which i don't

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know whether you can see much of it but uh yeah

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and uh i think i'm wearing a suit yes very nice

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nice picture okay um one little comment i'd like

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to because before i met uh War of the Worlds,

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when I was eight years old, with that voucher

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to W .H. Smiths, I had already, I was already

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enjoying Holst and the Planets. I just wanted

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to ask you, as you were growing up, was any inspiration

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devolved from Holst and the Planets in what we

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got as the final production of the first War

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of the Worlds album? Is there any inspiration

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there? Not so much inspiration, but awareness

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of Holtz's wonderful composition, which is divided

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up into the planets. But ironically, or coincidentally,

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many years later, there was a group called Sky.

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Is that? Yeah. And I was they were doing a new

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version of the planets, an interpretation. And

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they asked me to compose a starting piece for

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it. And by the time they got into production,

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one of the two guitarists, Kevin Peake, emigrated

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to Australia. And it became his solo album. And

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I think it was, from memory, called Return to

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the Planets. And I sent him my piece, and it

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starts off the album. And it's another interpretation

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of Holst's Planets. It's a magnificent piece

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and a real sort of feel for the universe and

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the main planets within it. Sure, absolutely.

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Sue, have you got anything else? The only comment

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is how amazing is the website? It is. Well, we

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always finish with social media, Geoff, so I

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do actually urge everyone to have a look at the

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website. And there's merchandise. Yep. We've

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got thewaroftheworlds .com. do click on the little

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green green the little green martian button there

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and um you can actually get your tour tickets

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um straight from there um you've got the music

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and playlists you can buy the war of the worlds

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merchandise in fact it's all there just have

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a look at it that is thewaroftheworlds .com and

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i'm certain if i hit that button there there

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will be links to your other social media as well

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jeff Leaves me to say, Jeff Wayne, it's great

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to meet you at last. Absolutely, mate. We'll

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see you in Brighton, won't we? We are going to

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see you in Brighton, doing your bit. And it's

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been great chatting to you. And hopefully we

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get a chat. Obviously, there's a 50th anniversary

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coming up. I hope we have a chat for that. But

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that project in the meantime, that'd be wonderful.

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So hopefully we can hook up for that one as well,

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Jeff. Thank you so much to you both, Nick and

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Sue. Thank you for the lovely words. Geoff, just

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before we go, have you thought of doing an autobiography?

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Yes, have you done one? Yeah. Well, that little

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project that I was saying was going to come before

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the 50th anniversary, it is that. Oh, Geoff,

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that's amazing. That is amazing. Thank you. Your

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face. Yeah. And thank you so much for your time.

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Take care, Geoff. It's been a real pleasure.

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Thank you for inviting me. Thank you very much.

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Take care. Bye -bye. Bye -bye. Bye. Thanks for

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watching! This edition of the Chatterbox Redux

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podcast was presented by Nick and Sue. We thank

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our special guest who was Jeff Wayne from the

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War of the Worlds. Our email address is nicklbum

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at myyahoo .com Alternatively, you could send

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press releases, CDs, vinyls, books, merch and

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even portraits to PO Box 26, the old Observer

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Building, Telford Road, St Leonard's -on -Sea,

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East Sussex, England, TM38, 9LZ. We thank you

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for your company and look forward to welcoming

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you again next time when our guest will be newcomer

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Danny Addison. Until then, bye -bye. you
