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Chatterbox, when the stars talk, they talk to

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Nick and Sue. Welcome back to the Chatterbox

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Redux podcast with Sue and Nick. In this edition,

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our special guest is Alan Clark of the Hollies.

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And now on Chatterbox UK, we're just lucky enough

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to welcome Alan Clark. Alan, welcome. How are

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you, sir? I'm fine, thanks, Nick. Yeah, great.

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It's nice to actually speak to people from Hastings,

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where you are, right? Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

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I love Hastings, yeah. As I was saying before

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we started recording, I've had the pleasure of

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seeing the White Rock Theatre, Hastings, twice,

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with you as lead singer, with you as a band.

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even better one of those times of course as he

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ain't heavy he's my brother just being the number

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one actually you know we've got around second

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time around so absolutely great Alan um okay

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it's a great career you've had of course but

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um we've got this new release um now it's also

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you've teamed up with graham again which is fantastic

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so how did that come about he's written the song

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so tell us a bit about the song and how you got

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involved Well, I thought that it was about time

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that we did something together because we're

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getting on, you know, and that shows you along,

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you know, when you get to a certain age. No,

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but, you know, when I started with Graham, you

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know, a lot of those years ago when the two of

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us got together as kids and then, you know, teenagers

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and then into, you know, being into rock and

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roll and getting in a band and becoming... famous

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you know and and then he divorced me in 1968

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went to join two other I can't remember the names

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now but I think they had a couple of hits uh

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joke um so anyway no uh since since graham left

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um i've always wondered uh would there be a time

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that we'd be able to get together and and sing

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as as a couple rather than with the band the

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hollies and that you know But we did do something

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with the Hollies in 1984. We recorded an album

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over there in America with them and toured. And

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I think that was 1984. So all in all. That'd

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be about 30 or 40 years since the last time we

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ever sang together. Oh, apart from the Albert

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Hall, which was in 2010, where he sort of got

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me going down there to get a guitar, my Buddy

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Holly guitar, which I play virtually every day

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and write most of my songs on. He was going to

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present me with that. And when they're in the

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halfway in the dressing rooms, he said, you're

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going to sing bust up, aren't you? And I said,

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am I? And all of a sudden I'm still on the stage,

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you know, at the Albert Hall with David Crosby's

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Teeth and Stills and his whole band singing Bus

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Stop, which was to me, it was one of the most

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fearful things I've ever done. you know, when

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the ovation that came from the audience, it really

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made me feel, you know, special. You know, I

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was really glad that Grant did that at that particular

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time, because I thought it gave me a little bit

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of hope. But that was 2010. You know, I think

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it was anyway, just either before the Rock and

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Roll Hall of Fame. I mean, it gets crazier and

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crazier, you know. And in the 20 years that I've

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been retired, I've sung with Graham twice. I've

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sung with him twice. What's happened is we've

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come round full circle. I said to him when we

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met not too long ago, I presented him with a

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Lifetimes Achievement Award. He was very surprised

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by it. He didn't know it was going to be me.

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He was very emotional. We saw each other quite

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a lot after that. And he did say, you know, is

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there going to be a time? And he said, you never

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know. You know, other things have happened. Why

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not? And then I got an album out called Resurgers.

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By surprise, here I was quite happy, just sitting

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here in my nice home with all my children around,

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et cetera. And all of a sudden out of the thin

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air came this will to go along and try and write

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some songs, which I did, not thinking of going

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to get anywhere, you know, but all of a sudden

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I've got a contract with BMG and I've got an

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album out called Researchers. And I did pay that

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to Graham. I played it to him and he went hmm

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that sounds really good maybe there will be a

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time well that was three years ago I reminded

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him you know and I sent him a song which I'd

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written for me and him thinking that we might

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get together and we might not and it's the name

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of the album which is called I'll Never Forget

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and you know that takes two ways you know if

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we did get together is something that I'd never

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forget But if it didn't get together, I'll think,

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oh well, we've got a great life and I'll never

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forget that. So that's what the whole thing is

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about. But there you are, we're doing it. That's

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fantastic. So we've got this single Buddy's back,

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which obviously I've heard and it's going to

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go on the hit and miss show that we do on a Sunday

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on Radio North Sea International. And I like

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the sound of it. You guys still sound great together.

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Now, so reading between the lines anyway, sort

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of taking you back to sort of Buddy Holidays,

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Heavenly Brothers, et cetera, et cetera. So that's

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what Graham had in mind. And obviously it relates

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to you. as well I guess? Well you know it took

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us a while to do the album because you know we're

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just I think we were in the middle of Covid again

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you know it was impossible to get over to New

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York and you know it couldn't have come over

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here like for a month and sit in a house writing

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songs and things like that so you know actually

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doing it online was pretty good. Because I said

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to Graham before we started it, I want the songs

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to feel in the kind of, that when we used to

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sing together in the very early days, when, you

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know, when me and Graham got together and that

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sound came out and the sound became very, very

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famous as the voices of the Hollies. And I want

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you to recapture that. And so, you know, Graham

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said to me halfway through, well, don't you think

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that you should make this your solo album? And

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I said, well, if you really want to, you said,

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well, I'll sing harmony on everything. And I

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said, well, you know, you've got to write something.

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And he said, OK, give me three weeks, more or

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less. And he came back with the song Buddy Holly.

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And he's nailed it. You know, that's the type

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of song that we would have recorded in the old

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days. but bringing it up today now the two of

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us singing this about our youth you know when

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we first heard Buddy Holly and we pretended just

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to be him looking in the bedroom you know mirror

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and things like that and uh Well, he caught our

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imagination to enable us to carry on, you know,

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as in several groups at that particular time.

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I mean, we called ourselves Ricky and Dane Young.

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We called ourselves the Gaetones. We called ourselves

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the Levins, you know, and all that sort of thing.

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So, you know, this thing that Graham's done is

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in remembrance of Buddy Holly, but also the story

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of how we actually heard him and carried his

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legend on. I think it's a great name because

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uh unfortunately when uh I say unfortunately

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I don't wish my life away but uh yeah he ain't

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heavy he's my brother was a hit first time around

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was a year I was born so I was always left wondering

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was the Holly's named after Buddy Holly I assumed

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he inspired you guys and that's how it all happened

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but unfortunately I came along to uh listen to

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the Holly sort of like uh from the towards the

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end backwards. Now the first single that I remember

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buying with my WH Smith record voucher was The

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Air That I Breathe when it came out. Amazing

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and you were robbed of a number one spot. How

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sad. But that is the first one that I and then

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I discovered the Hoddies in reverse as it were

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because of my age basically. Thanks to Mother's

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Record Collection of course. But yeah and now

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everyone knows the stuff. Oh what's funny about

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the air that I breathe is that it was um it was

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phil everly that did that first I've heard it

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I've heard it and the version is is so him you

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know and when I heard that for the first time

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I thought we should do that song it was it was

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our um Ron Richard our producer was his secretary

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who came with Phil's album and said, I know you

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love Phil Adderley, but listen to this song on

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here. I think you should do it with the boys.

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I was so bad that I did because, you know, it

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was a beautiful, beautiful song and a really

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big hit all around the world, you know. It was

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a great song to sing. Absolutely. It's amazing.

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It is amazing. And of course, all your songs

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are amazing, to be honest with you, but it was

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a great one for me to get to know the group.

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Right. Five coming on six. But yeah, that was

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one of the first records I bought. And yeah,

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very amazing song. And I played it. I must have

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played it hundreds and hundreds of times a day.

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This was great. I'm so proud to have it. Anyway,

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so yeah, great. This great album. Now, you probably

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get asked this all the time. Now, we've got Graham

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and you together. Is there any part, and we've

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already sort of like just trickled past the 60th

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or such. Is there any possibility of the Hollies

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with you and Graham doing it again? No, you've

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already got together once, sort of thing. Could

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it happen, do you think? Never say never, you

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know. I never thought I'd be singing again. Thank

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goodness. Yeah, thank God. It was unexpected.

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It was not something that I planned. And I don't

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know, I get this house quite a lot. I have to

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be quite honest that, you know, I'm in no fit

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state to ever sing the air that I breathe the

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way that I did when I was 26, 27. I don't remember

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how old I was, but, you know, going on stage

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for 40 years, singing all those numbers with

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really, really high notes. It was a time, you

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know, that all of a sudden your vocal cords said,

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please don't do that again and then you know

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that the one of them actually gave up but um

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i mean it was a shame because i enjoyed being

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a part of the hollies at that particular time

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but you know you can't change yourself when you

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you know when you know that you're not hitting

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the right right notes and you want the expressions

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of people in the audience that are looking at

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each other to say there seems to be a change

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i i didn't want to end my career being somebody

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who was going to go on stage and letting the

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audiences down as well as letting the boys down.

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I understand what you're saying there but I mean

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you sound absolutely great on this new material,

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absolutely great, but I appreciate being in a

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recording studio that can be a little bit different

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and I get exhausted, my vocal cords go just singing

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watching Brighton over Albion play, so Lord knows

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what it's like when we're doing something as

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high as air that I breathe, and so on, and Carrie

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Anne and some of the other stuff. But I've got

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some, you coming on Chatterbox UK has... prompted,

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well it's great to have people emailing in. I've

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selected, I think it's three I shall throw at

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you very quickly, Dave McGurty who you may remember

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from chapter five. His band chapter five supported

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the Hollies at the Nelson Imperial Ballroom in

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1965 and he says you shared a dressing room and

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you had a good chat and a laugh together, smashing

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lads. So great memory from all those years ago

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from Dave McGurty. Yeah, well, I swear, Tony,

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Tony Hicks lived in Nelson, you know, and I think

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we only ever did that workplace once and never

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went back again. I think it was a good show,

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but, you know, in the 60s, you know, we'd only

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just go in as famous people. So, you know, we

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were still only two amps drunk on stage and it

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was pretty live music all the time. But, yeah,

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I do remember I smiled when I read that. That

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was a lovely, another great one. Norman Peacock

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from Stockport. He's asked me to ask you about

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a gentleman's clothing shop, I think it is, based

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in Stockport, where Graham worked before he was

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famous. And the guy who owned it was your manager.

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Am I reading this right? He was in Stockport.

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And yeah, it was I don't know whether Graham

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worked there or not. He could have done. But

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they used to make our clothes. And, you know,

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he did actually become our manager, but he wasn't

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for real, if you know what I mean. He was like

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a pretend manager because he was, well, I think

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he was trying to be a Brian Epstein or something,

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you know, but it didn't work with that guy at

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all. I'm not going to go into a deep, deep story,

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but people do let you down. you know, but it

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was one of those occasions where we had to move

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on from Mr Cohen, that was his name, and we did.

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So yeah, I look at, you know, Stoppole was our,

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you know, we used to live there, you know, in

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the Togury and things like that. Stoppole wasn't

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too far from Manchester. That was a part of the

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history of us. We didn't really know what we

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were doing. We were just going everywhere and

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doing what we were told by certain people. But

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we soon got wary of that much later. Quite, quite.

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One last one from former child actor Paul McCarthy.

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Now he played Tommy Watson in Grange Hill and

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he says you don't know each other but he says

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do send Alan my regards. I've been a fan since

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I was a kid. Carrie Anne I just loved it. I think

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I would have been about five years old in 1968

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and he just loved it, just wanted to say hi to

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you. Yeah, Carrie Anne, you know, I mean, there

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were a lot of women in our songs, you know, Carrie

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Anne, Dear Eloise, Jennifer Eklund, Tari Sikker.

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Brilliant. Okay, so let's do some social media,

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Alan. It's been great chatting, but I know you've

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got your own website and so on, so let's get

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people one to find out more about you, website,

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Facebook. Throw it at them now, please, sir.

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It's on everything. I have got an Instagram.

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I do Instagram. I mean, but you can open that

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and you can think, where's that last three hours

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gone? I don't use it that much, I've got other

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things to do. But yeah, I'm on the Instagram,

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I have Facebook, I have Twitter, I have all these

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media platforms which are done by other people.

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So I just bring them up and say what's happening,

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they tell me and I go in and have a look and

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then I leave it alone and come up into my room

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here and write some songs. But yeah, I'm on everything.

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That's brilliant. So yes, we've got Alan Clark

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featuring Graham Nash and Buddy's back. That's

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already available and it's taken from the forthcoming

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album which is due for release on April the 7th

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by BMG and that is called I'll Never Forget.

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That's it. Yeah, that's the one. So let's see

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people buying that and let's see them downloading

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it, buying it and everything else. That'd be

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wonderful. If they like it, please do, if they

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like it, you know, but I mean, it was a joy to

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do it with Graham, even though we never met while

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we were doing it. It's amazing, isn't it, what

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you can do now? Yeah, well, you know, I mean,

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I don't know whether there's going to be anything

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else after this. I mean, I've written songs for

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another album, you know, but whether that's going

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to happen in any shape or form, I have no idea.

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As you say, sorry, sorry, as you say, never say

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never. No album worth the material and what I've

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heard sounds amazing. Oh good. You two sound

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great together. Yeah I know but you know I wrote

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11 songs for it and there's 10 on the album and

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I think the one that Graham wrote is a good introduction

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of Here We Are Back Again with this wonderful

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sound praising the guy that we loved so many

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years ago but you know You have to listen to

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the rest of the album because it moves on from

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that commerciality into what I think are really,

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really good songs. Even though I'm saying that

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I wrote them, I can't understand how I did it.

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You know, but all of a sudden you get something

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coming into your mind and you have to put it

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down on paper and put it into music. And then

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you have songs that mean something, you know.

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And it means a lot to me, this album, it really

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does. And it's something that I... to get to

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the kind of age that I am, it's amazing. It's

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just amazing. I can't believe it. I really can't.

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Thank God that you had some very serious health

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problems and I think I was about 15 years back

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or more. But thank God and it's great that you

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produce this. And yeah, as you say, never say

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never. Let's hope health keeps... on your side

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now. Let's just hope you can do something together

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but this is amazing and I didn't see this coming

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in advance so you've done something great that

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I'm going to enjoy playing to the listeners so

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there we go. I hope we do get to chat sometime

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in the future but it's been a great privilege

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to have a chance to chat with you and thank you

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for coming on Chatterbox UK. One way or another

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I'll see that you get to hear the final thing.

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Okay, well, my son lives in Hirsmonsu, which

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is very close. We go down your way to eat quite

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a lot in the Old Town. You know, lovely restaurants

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there in the Old Town. And so he goes to the

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alley for the skateboarding, the underground

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one. So next time I'm going to be in Hastings,

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I'll give you a blow. Lovely. We would love that.

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Thank you very much. We look forward to it. We

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love the old town restaurants and that as well.

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And the country ones, yeah. Anyway, Alan, thank

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you so much, cheers. Thank you, cheers. Bye bye.

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This edition of the Chatterbox Redux podcast

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was presented by Nick and Sue. We thank our special

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guest who is Alan Clark of the Hollies. Inquiries

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