WEBVTT 00:00:01.610 --> 00:00:04.710 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan 00:00:04.710 --> 00:00:08.130 Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by 00:00:08.130 --> 00:00:13.929 night, all day. Great to see you again. Great 00:00:13.929 --> 00:00:16.649 to see you, Joe. Happy to be here. Happy to have 00:00:16.649 --> 00:00:20.609 you here. So you've got a documentary about the, 00:00:20.750 --> 00:00:23.449 essentially about the same subject that you talked 00:00:23.449 --> 00:00:25.149 about last time you were here, the impact of 00:00:25.149 --> 00:00:28.410 microplastics and all these various endocrine 00:00:28.410 --> 00:00:30.769 disrupting chemicals that we're dealing with. 00:00:31.940 --> 00:00:36.740 Right. Right? Right. Tell me about it. Well, 00:00:37.479 --> 00:00:43.420 it started as a movie on plastic. And when I 00:00:43.420 --> 00:00:46.679 met Louis and he filmed me in New York about 00:00:46.679 --> 00:00:53.000 five years ago also, it wasn't the small study 00:00:53.000 --> 00:00:58.979 that we have today. But let me backtrack because 00:00:58.979 --> 00:01:02.079 I want to tell you something. That I never told 00:01:02.079 --> 00:01:05.500 you, but so important to me. So you remember 00:01:05.500 --> 00:01:09.859 when I was here, you said, are you saying the 00:01:09.859 --> 00:01:12.840 toxins in the environment are threatening the 00:01:12.840 --> 00:01:16.040 survival of the human race? Right. And I said, 00:01:16.180 --> 00:01:19.560 that's my story and I'm sticking to it. Yes. 00:01:19.760 --> 00:01:22.799 Yes. And then you said something which changed 00:01:22.799 --> 00:01:28.819 my life. You said, why don't people know about 00:01:28.819 --> 00:01:35.340 this? Remember that? Yes. I went home and I thought 00:01:35.340 --> 00:01:39.140 a lot about that question. And that was what 00:01:39.140 --> 00:01:44.219 led me to create the program that I have now, 00:01:44.420 --> 00:01:48.659 Action Science Initiative, which is doing short, 00:01:48.840 --> 00:01:53.780 impactful, relatively cheap interventions to 00:01:53.780 --> 00:01:56.840 alert people to the problem and communicating 00:01:56.840 --> 00:02:01.829 this in a way that I'm hoping. will reach more 00:02:01.829 --> 00:02:05.269 people than academia where I was speaking before. 00:02:05.609 --> 00:02:09.169 Because before I talked to you, I talked to my 00:02:09.169 --> 00:02:14.370 peers in, you know, academia and the ivory tower, 00:02:14.569 --> 00:02:16.229 you know, at the meetings where they all went, 00:02:16.310 --> 00:02:19.669 they read the papers that we all read. But the 00:02:19.669 --> 00:02:22.550 general public didn't get this. So you really 00:02:22.550 --> 00:02:24.849 were, I have to tell you, thank you. And you 00:02:24.849 --> 00:02:28.379 were actually very influential in my life. Well, 00:02:28.439 --> 00:02:31.539 I'm very happy to help. When I first heard about 00:02:31.539 --> 00:02:35.099 your book and I started going over the details 00:02:35.099 --> 00:02:38.139 of it and the subject matter, I was shocked. 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:41.539 I couldn't imagine that something like this could 00:02:41.539 --> 00:02:44.939 not just have happened, but there's no large 00:02:44.939 --> 00:02:48.939 -scale effort to reverse course or to change 00:02:48.939 --> 00:02:51.039 course or to do something about it or at least 00:02:51.039 --> 00:02:53.159 to make people aware of the impact that plastics 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:55.500 are having on us. Let me tell you a story about 00:02:55.500 --> 00:02:58.840 a friend of mine. There's a guy named Philip 00:02:58.840 --> 00:03:02.379 Franklin Lee who is a Michelin star chef that 00:03:02.379 --> 00:03:07.180 lives in Austin, and he has this amazing sushi 00:03:07.180 --> 00:03:09.960 restaurant, Sushi by Scratch, and great chef. 00:03:10.199 --> 00:03:15.360 Anyway, he was experiencing fatigue, like always 00:03:15.360 --> 00:03:18.960 tired, got his hormones tested, extremely low 00:03:18.960 --> 00:03:21.979 testosterone, but then got his microplastics 00:03:21.979 --> 00:03:26.810 tested, and they were off the charts. Did a series 00:03:26.810 --> 00:03:29.949 of interventions to try to clean his body out 00:03:29.949 --> 00:03:33.949 from that. Stopped drinking anything out of plastic. 00:03:34.330 --> 00:03:39.310 Stopped using plastic. Just by whatever he did, 00:03:39.409 --> 00:03:42.189 I'm not sure if he did the plasmapheresis thing 00:03:42.189 --> 00:03:46.449 that I just did recently, his testosterone went 00:03:46.449 --> 00:03:49.789 up to 1 ,200. With no testosterone replacement, 00:03:50.270 --> 00:03:53.469 no nothing. Just eliminating microplastics from 00:03:53.469 --> 00:03:56.430 his life over a period of time raises testosterone. 00:03:57.270 --> 00:04:01.629 So that's fantastic, and it's what we are seeing 00:04:01.629 --> 00:04:04.629 in the film and so on. I want to just make a 00:04:04.629 --> 00:04:08.990 small point, which is microplastics and plastics 00:04:08.990 --> 00:04:12.250 and plasticizers are not identical, right? Okay. 00:04:12.409 --> 00:04:16.920 Right? Microplastics are a relatively newcomer 00:04:16.920 --> 00:04:20.100 to the scene because we've had plastics since 00:04:20.100 --> 00:04:23.220 1950, right? Microplastics have been there but 00:04:23.220 --> 00:04:26.319 not recognized until relatively recently. And 00:04:26.319 --> 00:04:30.100 actually measuring them in our bodies is much 00:04:30.100 --> 00:04:34.420 harder than measuring the plasticizers, which 00:04:34.420 --> 00:04:37.360 are the chemicals that are put in plastic to 00:04:37.360 --> 00:04:39.180 give them the various properties that they have. 00:04:39.360 --> 00:04:43.360 Pallets. Phthalates is one, bisphenol A is another, 00:04:43.699 --> 00:04:48.779 and so on. So there are other, you know. And 00:04:48.779 --> 00:04:52.439 by the way, well, we'll come back to that later. 00:04:52.920 --> 00:04:56.139 So yes, we can measure those, but measuring microplastics, 00:04:56.199 --> 00:04:59.100 particularly if we're going to go into your brain 00:04:59.100 --> 00:05:02.740 or into your testicles, you know, into a woman's 00:05:02.740 --> 00:05:05.279 placenta, obviously that's much more difficult. 00:05:06.659 --> 00:05:09.860 They're not the same, but the microplastics, 00:05:09.939 --> 00:05:14.699 what they are is the actual pieces of plastic 00:05:14.699 --> 00:05:18.060 that carry the plasticizers along with them. 00:05:18.120 --> 00:05:21.540 So they kind of piggyback on. So they do double 00:05:21.540 --> 00:05:25.120 damage because they carry the chemical harms, 00:05:25.319 --> 00:05:30.079 and they also physically enter the cells, right? 00:05:30.540 --> 00:05:32.980 So do you remember, I'm sure, asbestos you know 00:05:32.980 --> 00:05:37.439 about, you know, and silicosis. These were other 00:05:37.439 --> 00:05:40.279 examples of particles that went into the body 00:05:40.279 --> 00:05:43.540 and conveyed both chemical harm and physical 00:05:43.540 --> 00:05:47.000 harm, like inflammation and so on and so forth. 00:05:47.100 --> 00:05:51.420 So they're all bad, but they're not identical. 00:05:51.500 --> 00:05:56.269 And what we studied in the— Plastic Detox, which 00:05:56.269 --> 00:06:01.129 is the film, that was, we did not study any microplastics. 00:06:01.250 --> 00:06:06.410 We studied the plasticizers. So you probably 00:06:06.410 --> 00:06:09.009 remember, I think I told you last time, well, 00:06:09.129 --> 00:06:10.790 why should you remember anyway? They're water 00:06:10.790 --> 00:06:12.769 -soluble. Yeah, I do remember. Remember that? 00:06:12.810 --> 00:06:16.509 So they go into your urine, and then they're 00:06:16.509 --> 00:06:19.910 pretty easy to measure. So I'm going to give 00:06:19.910 --> 00:06:24.370 this to you. This is a kit. Open it up. I'll 00:06:24.370 --> 00:06:28.970 tell you what. Okay. Learn what's inside. It 00:06:28.970 --> 00:06:35.389 looks like you pee in that. Okay. That's right. 00:06:35.629 --> 00:06:38.050 Keep going. And there's more stuff in there? 00:06:38.269 --> 00:06:43.410 Yep. Okay. Something to send it back. Right. 00:06:43.589 --> 00:06:47.290 And then this looks like a biohazard bag. To 00:06:47.290 --> 00:06:48.670 put your pee in. So my pee doesn't kill anybody. 00:06:51.920 --> 00:06:57.839 And this is, it's got a QR code on it. Say hello 00:06:57.839 --> 00:07:00.560 to a healthier you. So those are ways to find 00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:03.639 out ways to lower your exposure. Okay. Yeah. 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:07.740 I know a lot of people get these harmful chemicals 00:07:07.740 --> 00:07:11.540 from drinking coffee, hot liquids out of paper 00:07:11.540 --> 00:07:15.279 cups. Yeah, from the paper cups that are lined 00:07:15.279 --> 00:07:18.360 with, for example, bisphenols. But the coffee 00:07:18.360 --> 00:07:22.740 itself is made in a—most coffee makers contain 00:07:22.740 --> 00:07:25.360 a lot of plastic also. So it comes in both the 00:07:25.360 --> 00:07:28.319 cups and in the device that's making the coffee. 00:07:28.600 --> 00:07:30.560 That's why we use metal and just make a French 00:07:30.560 --> 00:07:32.639 press. I do that at home, too. I got rid of my 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:35.579 plastic coffee machine. Me too. I was thinking 00:07:35.579 --> 00:07:37.680 about it. I was like, why am I pouring hot water 00:07:37.680 --> 00:07:41.459 into this plastic thing that can't be good? Yeah. 00:07:41.560 --> 00:07:43.259 It doesn't taste as good. You're learning. You're 00:07:43.259 --> 00:07:44.939 learning. French press tastes better anyway. 00:07:45.180 --> 00:07:48.399 So here's my suggestion. If you're willing to 00:07:48.399 --> 00:07:50.740 do this. I am willing to do this. You are. Good. 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:54.920 Cool. So not hard. Okay. Pee in the cup. Send 00:07:54.920 --> 00:07:57.959 it in. Got it. Then my colleague Jenna Waugh 00:07:57.959 --> 00:08:02.170 and her team will analyze it. for not everything 00:08:02.170 --> 00:08:06.629 in the world, but the bisphenols, the phthalates, 00:08:06.649 --> 00:08:09.850 and the parabens. They're going to be adding 00:08:09.850 --> 00:08:12.410 pesticides soon, and that would be great to have 00:08:12.410 --> 00:08:16.529 that as well. Then, if you want to go to phase 00:08:16.529 --> 00:08:22.269 two, I have some things here that you could swap 00:08:22.269 --> 00:08:26.430 in your kitchen, and you could go to that QR 00:08:26.430 --> 00:08:28.790 code and find out other things that you could 00:08:28.790 --> 00:08:33.850 reduce. And then if you wanted to, we could send 00:08:33.850 --> 00:08:35.730 you another kit and you could see if your levels 00:08:35.730 --> 00:08:38.029 changed. Okay. You want to do that? I would love 00:08:38.029 --> 00:08:42.730 to do that. Yay! What is phase two? Phase two 00:08:42.730 --> 00:08:45.590 would mail you back another kit. You take your 00:08:45.590 --> 00:08:47.970 urine again, and that's it. So that's to see 00:08:47.970 --> 00:08:50.850 if it's changed because of lifestyle changes. 00:08:51.500 --> 00:08:53.480 That's right. Right. That's right. So you would 00:08:53.480 --> 00:08:57.120 be doing what the couples in part of what the 00:08:57.120 --> 00:08:59.320 couples in the intervention did. The couples 00:08:59.320 --> 00:09:03.600 in the intervention also were infertile. And 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:05.919 so we're not going to touch your fertility question, 00:09:06.139 --> 00:09:09.019 but they also, the men collected sperm. And we 00:09:09.019 --> 00:09:10.759 can do that if you want, but I don't think you 00:09:10.759 --> 00:09:13.100 may not want to talk about that on your phone. 00:09:15.940 --> 00:09:18.419 That's what we did in the intervention. So in 00:09:18.419 --> 00:09:21.740 the intervention, we found—this is what the intervention 00:09:21.740 --> 00:09:28.759 was. There's a company called Fellow, which has 00:09:28.759 --> 00:09:33.039 grown out of UCSF, and they're very big now. 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:35.960 I think they have like 200 ,000 men in their 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:41.799 files who have had their semen tested. And at 00:09:41.799 --> 00:09:44.559 the time they had their semen tested— They're 00:09:44.559 --> 00:09:49.379 asked, could we recontact you for research? That's 00:09:49.379 --> 00:09:52.740 one important question. And they're asked, why 00:09:52.740 --> 00:09:56.659 did you want your sperm tested? And if they say 00:09:56.659 --> 00:09:59.919 because we're infertile or subfertile or we're 00:09:59.919 --> 00:10:02.700 worrying about our fertility, we ask or they 00:10:02.700 --> 00:10:06.659 ask, how long has it been that you've been having 00:10:06.659 --> 00:10:09.299 this problem with fertility? And if it's more 00:10:09.299 --> 00:10:13.120 than 12 months, then they're technically infertile. 00:10:14.020 --> 00:10:18.600 Right. So if they said they would agree to be 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:21.960 recontacted and they were infertile, they were 00:10:21.960 --> 00:10:26.539 potentially eligible for this intervention. You 00:10:26.539 --> 00:10:31.240 with me? Got it. So actually finding the couples 00:10:31.240 --> 00:10:34.860 that are in the film was a long process. They 00:10:34.860 --> 00:10:37.000 had to, of course, agree to be filmed. They had 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:41.509 to have what we call. terrible word, idiopathic 00:10:41.509 --> 00:10:44.929 infertility, no known causes. And they couldn't 00:10:44.929 --> 00:10:47.350 be obese. They couldn't be smokers. They couldn't 00:10:47.350 --> 00:10:50.830 have a diagnosis, a medical diagnosis that explains. 00:10:51.009 --> 00:10:55.590 We don't want it to be unexplained. So sort of 00:10:55.590 --> 00:10:59.950 we winnowed down to what was six couples. One 00:10:59.950 --> 00:11:03.750 of them dropped out for personal reasons. So 00:11:03.750 --> 00:11:06.649 I won't go into that. But that's how we got those 00:11:06.649 --> 00:11:09.200 couples. They had to be couples, by the way. 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:11.980 And they had to be staying together for the next 00:11:11.980 --> 00:11:15.259 three months and not doing IVF. Okay? Okay. So 00:11:15.259 --> 00:11:20.860 that was the setup. And then the company called 00:11:20.860 --> 00:11:23.539 Million Marker that you're going to send your 00:11:23.539 --> 00:11:30.139 P to, they have an education program. And that's 00:11:30.139 --> 00:11:32.480 a lot of what they do, the testing and the education. 00:11:32.940 --> 00:11:36.480 And so all of those couples, you know, they talked 00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:39.139 to them and said, Tell me about what you put 00:11:39.139 --> 00:11:41.960 on your face this morning. Tell me what you washed 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:44.480 your clothes with. Tell me what you clean your 00:11:44.480 --> 00:11:46.139 counters with, and on and on and on like that, 00:11:46.179 --> 00:11:48.379 right? So they took an inventory of what the 00:11:48.379 --> 00:11:51.639 couples were doing. And then they started this 00:11:51.639 --> 00:11:54.179 educational program, which they're very good 00:11:54.179 --> 00:11:56.379 at and have been doing for a while, once a week. 00:11:56.679 --> 00:11:58.639 They talked to them. So how's it going? Have 00:11:58.639 --> 00:12:00.820 you changed this? What are you using now? And 00:12:00.820 --> 00:12:03.679 so on. So it was not just a one -time thing. 00:12:04.580 --> 00:12:06.980 And if you were doing this, it would be short, 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:11.519 you know, just like use these things maybe. But 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:17.460 along with that, we sent them the fellow kits 00:12:17.460 --> 00:12:21.940 to collect their semen. Okay, so we have beginning, 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:25.639 middle, and end. It was three months, so beginning, 00:12:25.940 --> 00:12:30.799 six weeks, 12 weeks. And you know why three months? 00:12:31.100 --> 00:12:35.529 Why? It takes 70 days to make a sperm. So we 00:12:35.529 --> 00:12:37.909 wanted to have a turnover within the course of 00:12:37.909 --> 00:12:41.850 the intervention. So we sent them a kit, and 00:12:41.850 --> 00:12:43.889 they collected their semen at home, which is 00:12:43.889 --> 00:12:46.669 nice for guys because you don't have to go into 00:12:46.669 --> 00:12:49.509 a lab and do it there. You know, it's much better 00:12:49.509 --> 00:12:52.649 at home, right? Yeah. And they sent it in, and 00:12:52.649 --> 00:12:54.389 they figured out how to get all the parameters 00:12:54.389 --> 00:12:58.230 right, even though it's mailed. And, yeah, so 00:12:58.230 --> 00:13:05.059 the couples did that. So we had, over time— levels 00:13:05.059 --> 00:13:07.399 in their body of the chemicals, semen quality, 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:10.919 what they were doing, what they changed in their 00:13:10.919 --> 00:13:12.720 life, because we had this record of everything 00:13:12.720 --> 00:13:16.259 they changed. And then finally, we saw who got 00:13:16.259 --> 00:13:20.860 pregnant. And I hope your listeners will watch 00:13:20.860 --> 00:13:25.220 The Plastic Detox. It's a movie that a lot of 00:13:25.220 --> 00:13:28.320 people love and found, you know, really moving. 00:13:29.100 --> 00:13:32.679 And you should watch it. Can I ask you about 00:13:32.679 --> 00:13:35.440 the coffee question? When you go to a place like, 00:13:35.480 --> 00:13:37.299 let's just say Starbucks, not to single them 00:13:37.299 --> 00:13:40.600 out, but are they using plastic with their coffee 00:13:40.600 --> 00:13:42.500 machines? Are their coffee machines made with 00:13:42.500 --> 00:13:47.679 plastic? I don't know about any particular place 00:13:47.679 --> 00:13:51.980 except my kitchen. I suspect that they are using 00:13:51.980 --> 00:13:55.580 plastic. Right. So if people stop at a place 00:13:55.580 --> 00:13:57.620 like that on a regular basis on their way to 00:13:57.620 --> 00:14:00.659 work in the morning to get coffee. and they bring 00:14:00.659 --> 00:14:06.360 their own stainless steel thermos or mug, that 00:14:06.360 --> 00:14:10.299 would eliminate some of it, but perhaps they're 00:14:10.299 --> 00:14:13.139 getting it actually from the coffee machine itself. 00:14:15.019 --> 00:14:18.700 Yes, yes, yes. When you see these big industrial 00:14:18.700 --> 00:14:21.320 machines and they slide those filters in, those 00:14:21.320 --> 00:14:26.080 filters are plastic. Well, they probably have 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:28.419 bisphenol in them. Right. It's a plastic tray. 00:14:28.679 --> 00:14:31.139 It seems like. I don't know. But then there's 00:14:31.139 --> 00:14:34.700 a paper filter in the plastic tray. So you're 00:14:34.700 --> 00:14:36.519 getting it no matter what. And if they use those 00:14:36.519 --> 00:14:44.200 pods, you know, at home. Bruno, one of our guys 00:14:44.200 --> 00:14:48.539 in the film, wonderful guy, he was kind of addicted 00:14:48.539 --> 00:14:51.460 to his coffee machine, his pods. And we said, 00:14:51.480 --> 00:14:53.820 Bruno. We want you to stop using those pods. 00:14:53.960 --> 00:14:56.480 No, I don't want to stop using them. But he did. 00:14:56.700 --> 00:15:02.960 He did. And they've had two babies. I'm not saying 00:15:02.960 --> 00:15:05.580 that's the reason, but, you know, it's a contribution 00:15:05.580 --> 00:15:07.860 probably. Well, there is certainly an issue, 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:10.690 like I said, with my friend Philip. that it made 00:15:10.690 --> 00:15:12.950 a radical difference in his sperm count and his 00:15:12.950 --> 00:15:15.669 testosterone levels. And so this is probably 00:15:15.669 --> 00:15:18.590 the case with so many Americans in this country 00:15:18.590 --> 00:15:21.470 that are dealing with infertility issues. A big 00:15:21.470 --> 00:15:25.320 part of it is probably these. Plasticizers, is 00:15:25.320 --> 00:15:27.879 that how you refer to them? Plasticizers, all 00:15:27.879 --> 00:15:30.159 these various chemicals that are endocrine disruptors 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:32.940 that are ubiquitous in the modern world. Yes, 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:35.039 unfortunately. It's crazy. And by the way, not 00:15:35.039 --> 00:15:37.659 the women. Let me say something. We didn't talk 00:15:37.659 --> 00:15:39.360 about the women last time very much, right? A 00:15:39.360 --> 00:15:42.240 little bit we did. A little, yeah. I think we 00:15:42.240 --> 00:15:47.360 did. So the women need testosterone too, you 00:15:47.360 --> 00:15:50.980 know, for sexual arousal and libido and so on, 00:15:51.019 --> 00:16:00.220 and muscle. And in our study, study for future 00:16:00.220 --> 00:16:05.700 families, I think, or maybe, yeah, we got the 00:16:05.700 --> 00:16:10.580 urine. We saw how much phthalates were in their 00:16:10.580 --> 00:16:12.740 urine. And then we asked them some questions 00:16:12.740 --> 00:16:16.139 about their sexual experience. So how satisfied 00:16:16.139 --> 00:16:21.820 were they with their sexual life? And frequency? 00:16:23.230 --> 00:16:26.289 And the women who had higher levels of phthalates 00:16:26.289 --> 00:16:30.490 had less satisfaction and lower frequency. So 00:16:30.490 --> 00:16:32.809 it's not just the men. Completely makes sense. 00:16:33.909 --> 00:16:37.029 Everyone needs testosterone. Yeah. My wife's 00:16:37.029 --> 00:16:40.309 friend got on testosterone. I guess she's about 00:16:40.309 --> 00:16:43.590 50. She got on testosterone because her doctor 00:16:43.590 --> 00:16:46.090 put her on some low -level cream or something 00:16:46.090 --> 00:16:49.919 like that. Her response was like, it makes me 00:16:49.919 --> 00:16:56.019 horny like a bloke. She's English. I thought 00:16:56.019 --> 00:16:58.940 that was a very funny thing that she said it 00:16:58.940 --> 00:17:01.059 that way. Did she think that was a good thing? 00:17:01.399 --> 00:17:04.119 Yeah, she enjoyed it. Yeah. Apparently. Allegedly. 00:17:04.160 --> 00:17:06.900 I didn't speak to her directly. But I think that's 00:17:06.900 --> 00:17:09.420 what she was saying. Like, whoa. You know, just 00:17:09.420 --> 00:17:13.099 whoa. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's the thing that 00:17:13.099 --> 00:17:16.859 came out of your the episode that we did that. 00:17:17.259 --> 00:17:20.599 shocked me the most is how little this is discussed 00:17:20.599 --> 00:17:24.660 in the mainstream. And I had not known until 00:17:24.660 --> 00:17:27.880 you brought it up until you became a guest on 00:17:27.880 --> 00:17:30.279 the show until I started researching it. I was 00:17:30.279 --> 00:17:32.559 stunned. I couldn't believe that this was something 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:36.369 that was so common. And so, so One of the things 00:17:36.369 --> 00:17:39.630 that comes up all the time is infertility with 00:17:39.630 --> 00:17:42.730 couples that are trying and they're using IVF 00:17:42.730 --> 00:17:44.809 and it's more common now than ever before. And 00:17:44.809 --> 00:17:47.569 there's been a lot of things that people, a lot 00:17:47.569 --> 00:17:49.309 of factors that people have attributed to that 00:17:49.309 --> 00:17:52.730 reason. A lot of them being older people that 00:17:52.730 --> 00:17:55.849 are, you know, they put their careers aside in 00:17:55.849 --> 00:17:57.609 their 30s. They decided now it's time to have 00:17:57.609 --> 00:18:00.670 kids. They're worried that it's too late. But 00:18:00.670 --> 00:18:04.109 listening. To you talk about it, it seems like 00:18:04.109 --> 00:18:06.869 that's only one part of the issue and not the 00:18:06.869 --> 00:18:09.430 big part. The big part seems to be that we're 00:18:09.430 --> 00:18:12.650 being poisoned and we're doing it by virtue of 00:18:12.650 --> 00:18:16.069 our modern world that we live in where so much 00:18:16.069 --> 00:18:20.569 of your life relies on plastic. And it's very 00:18:20.569 --> 00:18:22.630 difficult for people that are so set in their 00:18:22.630 --> 00:18:25.849 ways. They have routines. They don't really understand, 00:18:26.069 --> 00:18:29.630 like, what can I do to eliminate this stuff from 00:18:29.630 --> 00:18:32.690 my life? Just having the conversation and understanding 00:18:32.690 --> 00:18:34.630 that these things are having an impact is great. 00:18:35.029 --> 00:18:38.329 But the steps that people need to take in order 00:18:38.329 --> 00:18:39.950 to eliminate these things from their life, I 00:18:39.950 --> 00:18:41.650 think that's what's really important to get out 00:18:41.650 --> 00:18:45.089 there now. Thank you. You said it really well. 00:18:45.490 --> 00:18:49.970 Let me just give people a place to go. You go 00:18:49.970 --> 00:18:55.470 to unplasticyourlife .com. Okay. And then there's 00:18:55.470 --> 00:18:58.700 action. Then you can go to the various places 00:18:58.700 --> 00:19:01.180 in your home that you can... It's just onplasticyourlife, 00:19:01.220 --> 00:19:04.200 one word. Unplastic. Unplastic. Unplasticyourlife 00:19:04.200 --> 00:19:09.579 .com. Yeah. Let me see if I got that. Yeah. 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Nonstick cookware. That 00:20:28.029 --> 00:20:31.769 stuff has... Is that different? Yeah. When you 00:20:31.769 --> 00:20:35.309 have nonstick cookware, does that have any endocrine 00:20:35.309 --> 00:20:36.849 -disrupting chemicals as well? But different 00:20:36.849 --> 00:20:39.069 ones. Different ones? Which ones are those? So 00:20:39.069 --> 00:20:42.089 those are what's called the PFAS chemicals. And 00:20:42.089 --> 00:20:46.609 it's actually not just cookware. It's anything 00:20:46.609 --> 00:20:52.470 that puts a barrier between two medium, if you 00:20:52.470 --> 00:20:56.490 will. Like a rain jacket will put a barrier between 00:20:56.490 --> 00:21:00.750 the rain and your skin. Right. And also stain 00:21:00.750 --> 00:21:09.289 resistant, barrier with the stain. And it's very, 00:21:09.410 --> 00:21:14.329 very prevalent. I mean, it's in clothing. I've 00:21:14.329 --> 00:21:16.109 read it's in a lot of yoga tights and things 00:21:16.109 --> 00:21:18.589 along those lines. Yes, workout clothes. That's 00:21:18.589 --> 00:21:20.730 so crazy. You think you're being healthy, and 00:21:20.730 --> 00:21:22.950 you're exposing yourself to endocrine -disrupting 00:21:22.950 --> 00:21:28.460 chemicals. And uniforms. There's a book. I probably 00:21:28.460 --> 00:21:30.039 shouldn't recommend another book, but I think 00:21:30.039 --> 00:21:31.880 it's a good book, I'll just say. It's called 00:21:31.880 --> 00:21:36.519 To Die For, D -Y -E, and it's about the flight 00:21:36.519 --> 00:21:38.799 attendants' uniforms and the harms that they 00:21:38.799 --> 00:21:41.940 do because they have a lot of PFAS because they 00:21:41.940 --> 00:21:46.400 have to keep clean. And they're not clean, right, 00:21:46.500 --> 00:21:48.460 because they have this PFAS in them. It's in 00:21:48.460 --> 00:21:51.000 sports uniforms. You can do a lot with sports, 00:21:51.160 --> 00:21:55.119 all the sports uniforms. Nylon. Yeah. Anything 00:21:55.119 --> 00:21:58.900 with nylon? Is that what it is? Probably, but 00:21:58.900 --> 00:22:02.019 I'm not sure. I'm not, you know, I could refer 00:22:02.019 --> 00:22:04.240 you to somebody, but I'm not the clothing expert. 00:22:04.359 --> 00:22:06.579 But I know that they're in these things. And 00:22:06.579 --> 00:22:11.900 one of the things that is kind of scary is school 00:22:11.900 --> 00:22:13.779 uniforms. You know, a lot of kids have school 00:22:13.779 --> 00:22:16.460 uniforms and they're loaded with it. Oh. Yeah. 00:22:16.839 --> 00:22:18.900 Yeah, my kids used to wear a uniform every day. 00:22:19.059 --> 00:22:23.920 Yeah. When you say to dye for, are dyes in cotton 00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:28.640 clothes also releasing? Yes. Really? Yes. Dyes 00:22:28.640 --> 00:22:31.920 are very risky. We've got to go back to being 00:22:31.920 --> 00:22:36.200 Amish. Here it is. Oh, good. Yeah. So, in fact, 00:22:36.220 --> 00:22:38.079 there's little or no regulation of clothes or 00:22:38.079 --> 00:22:40.559 textiles we wear each day, from uniforms to fast 00:22:40.559 --> 00:22:42.559 fashion, outdoor gear, and even the face masks 00:22:42.559 --> 00:22:44.359 that have become ubiquitous in recent years. 00:22:44.720 --> 00:22:46.920 Wicker explains how we got here, what the stakes 00:22:46.920 --> 00:22:50.160 are, what all of us can do in the fight for a 00:22:50.160 --> 00:22:54.440 safe and healthy wardrobe for all. Wow. And that's 00:22:54.440 --> 00:22:57.539 in the film. There's disgust in the film. A little 00:22:57.539 --> 00:23:00.779 bit. Not the major, but it's... So, blue jeans? 00:23:02.339 --> 00:23:05.759 Probably. Probably. I can't, you know, speak 00:23:05.759 --> 00:23:09.440 about... There is a river, I believe it's in 00:23:09.440 --> 00:23:13.160 China, where a series of blue jean factories 00:23:13.160 --> 00:23:18.279 exist, where the entire river is blue. It's so 00:23:18.279 --> 00:23:21.000 disgusting. Like, not blue like beautiful clean 00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:24.500 water. Blue like... Dye. Dyed water. Like, look 00:23:24.500 --> 00:23:28.559 at this. Look at that. Oh. That's the blue jean 00:23:28.559 --> 00:23:30.799 capital of the world. Wow. That's where they 00:23:30.799 --> 00:23:33.480 make a lot of blue jeans. And look at the stinky, 00:23:33.579 --> 00:23:37.799 dirty, disgusting blue dye water that is just 00:23:37.799 --> 00:23:40.420 that river leaking out into the ocean, which 00:23:40.420 --> 00:23:43.160 also looks polluted. You want cheap clothes, 00:23:43.299 --> 00:23:47.579 kids? This is what happens. It's so crazy. Like, 00:23:47.599 --> 00:23:49.559 look at that stuff. I mean, how many jeans are 00:23:49.559 --> 00:23:55.259 they making? And what are the, you know. And 00:23:55.259 --> 00:23:57.380 this is a good point for me to point out that 00:23:57.380 --> 00:24:00.420 these things are affecting animals, of course. 00:24:01.259 --> 00:24:03.619 Like the animals, fish in this. Look at this, 00:24:03.680 --> 00:24:07.519 African rivers as well. Of course we do it in 00:24:07.519 --> 00:24:09.440 other places. If we did it in America, people 00:24:09.440 --> 00:24:14.319 would be aware. Canada. Canada too. I'm not sure 00:24:14.319 --> 00:24:17.640 they'd be aware. You don't think so? We're trying. 00:24:18.250 --> 00:24:19.789 We're trying. We're trying to get them aware. 00:24:19.990 --> 00:24:21.509 I mean, that's what we're doing right now, right? 00:24:21.970 --> 00:24:25.049 Right. So to go back to that point you raised 00:24:25.049 --> 00:24:30.130 about, you know, reasons that people give for 00:24:30.130 --> 00:24:34.150 low testosterone or low fertility, low sperm 00:24:34.150 --> 00:24:38.230 count. And particularly this comes up for fertility. 00:24:38.829 --> 00:24:41.089 More couples are, you know, the fertility is 00:24:41.089 --> 00:24:44.220 in the toilet, right? Yes. That's a weird thing 00:24:44.220 --> 00:24:49.299 to say, but yeah. For lack of a better. Yeah. 00:24:50.140 --> 00:24:55.799 And, I mean, used to be five children per couple 00:24:55.799 --> 00:25:00.059 on the average in 1960. And now it's, in South 00:25:00.059 --> 00:25:05.880 Korea, it's like 0 .88. Wow. That's the worst, 00:25:06.059 --> 00:25:08.549 you know. Why is South Korea the worst? I don't 00:25:08.549 --> 00:25:11.190 know. I mean, all of East Asia is very, very 00:25:11.190 --> 00:25:14.369 low. South Korea's replacement numbers are so 00:25:14.369 --> 00:25:17.329 low that they're in danger of complete population 00:25:17.329 --> 00:25:20.430 collapse. Absolutely. And Japan is getting there 00:25:20.430 --> 00:25:24.369 and, you know, all of that Southeast Asia. And 00:25:24.369 --> 00:25:30.730 so when there's a lot of articles about this, 00:25:30.769 --> 00:25:32.849 a lot of editorials, a lot of articles, and they 00:25:32.849 --> 00:25:37.910 make me so, Joe, they make me so mad. They say 00:25:37.910 --> 00:25:41.589 correctly that having a child at an older age 00:25:41.589 --> 00:25:46.289 will do this to some extent. You know, not wanting 00:25:46.289 --> 00:25:48.970 to have children, as many children, will do this 00:25:48.970 --> 00:25:52.069 to some extent. But they never mention toxics. 00:25:52.710 --> 00:25:58.009 And so I've written editorials saying, hey, guys, 00:25:58.109 --> 00:26:01.710 we're not alone on this planet. And we're not 00:26:01.710 --> 00:26:05.269 the only species that's declining in number. 00:26:06.190 --> 00:26:08.609 And then if you look at the curve of the number 00:26:08.609 --> 00:26:11.670 of species that are declining and the rate of 00:26:11.670 --> 00:26:13.990 decline of human fertility, they're parallel. 00:26:14.190 --> 00:26:18.930 It's all about 1 % per year. And we know they're 00:26:18.930 --> 00:26:21.210 exposed, these other species. You showed it. 00:26:21.349 --> 00:26:24.789 Those fish in that water are exposed and animals 00:26:24.789 --> 00:26:29.089 on the periphery. So I would love for everybody, 00:26:29.230 --> 00:26:31.829 when they look at these numbers of declining 00:26:31.829 --> 00:26:36.019 fertility, consider. That it's not all choice. 00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:40.160 Right. Animals are not choosing to have their 00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:43.019 children later or to delay childbearing, right? 00:26:43.240 --> 00:26:46.059 They have big careers. Beavers are trying to 00:26:46.059 --> 00:26:47.880 make dams. They don't have time for children. 00:26:48.059 --> 00:26:52.619 Right. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. So for me, you 00:26:52.619 --> 00:26:58.220 know, it's not – those are good – those are explanations 00:26:58.220 --> 00:27:01.380 for sure. Obviously, when you get older, your 00:27:01.380 --> 00:27:04.960 fertility is less. Obviously, if you have a busy 00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:06.740 life and you don't have time to have children, 00:27:06.799 --> 00:27:10.519 you shouldn't have children. But the toxics matter. 00:27:10.839 --> 00:27:14.779 They matter a lot. Yeah, 100%. And the animals, 00:27:14.900 --> 00:27:19.660 is the issue exposure to water that has these 00:27:19.660 --> 00:27:22.700 chemicals in it because of pollution? What is 00:27:22.700 --> 00:27:26.059 causing it with that? It's in the water. It's 00:27:26.059 --> 00:27:31.359 in the soil. what they eat because it comes in 00:27:31.359 --> 00:27:36.259 the plants. It gets into the plants? Yeah. Do 00:27:36.259 --> 00:27:38.140 you know that phthalates, I'm just, this is a 00:27:38.140 --> 00:27:42.720 little fun fact, phthalates are put in pesticides. 00:27:44.180 --> 00:27:47.839 Why would they do that? Well, because one of 00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:49.700 the things that phthalates do is they increase 00:27:49.700 --> 00:27:51.940 absorption. That's why they're in hand cream. 00:27:53.450 --> 00:27:56.009 Right? You see, you put your cream on, it goes 00:27:56.009 --> 00:27:58.430 in your skin, right? Phthalates help that. You 00:27:58.430 --> 00:28:00.349 have the pesticide you wanted to go into the 00:28:00.349 --> 00:28:04.630 plant? Phthalates help that. So, you know, these 00:28:04.630 --> 00:28:09.069 exposures are all over the place, and animals 00:28:09.069 --> 00:28:12.430 are getting them too. A long time ago, I don't 00:28:12.430 --> 00:28:14.529 think we talked about this, but there was a wonderful 00:28:14.529 --> 00:28:16.849 scientist who's not living anymore. His name 00:28:16.849 --> 00:28:19.910 is Lou Gillette. He lived in Florida. And he 00:28:19.910 --> 00:28:24.910 showed that... Alligators swimming in a lake 00:28:24.910 --> 00:28:31.369 that had a lot of runoff of pesticides. Get this. 00:28:31.410 --> 00:28:35.609 Their penises were small. He measured them. And 00:28:35.609 --> 00:28:40.470 he was a big guy. He had to do it at night. He 00:28:40.470 --> 00:28:45.170 went at night, wrestled them into the boat. And 00:28:45.170 --> 00:28:47.109 I have pictures of that. Took them to his lab. 00:28:47.250 --> 00:28:49.150 Measured their penises. Measured their penises. 00:28:49.410 --> 00:28:50.970 They must have been very confused when they got 00:28:50.970 --> 00:28:54.670 let go. Like, what is this guy kinky with? What 00:28:54.670 --> 00:29:01.069 is his thing? You know, and they had fewer eggs. 00:29:01.509 --> 00:29:04.650 Right. So they were a declining species. That's 00:29:04.650 --> 00:29:08.390 just a very dramatic example of, you know, can 00:29:08.390 --> 00:29:15.309 you put up penis size? Alligator penis size? 00:29:15.470 --> 00:29:18.349 I'm just wondering. As if you don't already Google 00:29:18.349 --> 00:29:23.549 that, Jamie. Let me find you a photo. I asked 00:29:23.549 --> 00:29:26.809 our perplexity this thing. So our sponsor perplexity 00:29:26.809 --> 00:29:28.730 said, yes, this has actually been documented 00:29:28.730 --> 00:29:31.470 in wild alligators. Males in heavily polluted 00:29:31.470 --> 00:29:34.829 lakes have, on average, smaller penises and other 00:29:34.829 --> 00:29:37.150 reproductive problems linked to hormone -disrupting 00:29:37.150 --> 00:29:40.190 chemicals. We are shrinking alligator penises, 00:29:40.190 --> 00:29:44.339 ladies and gentlemen. And not only. 20 to 25 00:29:44.339 --> 00:29:47.500 % smaller penis sizes compared to males from 00:29:47.500 --> 00:29:50.420 a cleaner reference lake. Males of lower testosterone 00:29:50.420 --> 00:29:54.480 levels, around 70 % lower abnormal relationships 00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:56.759 between hormone levels and penis growth, unlike 00:29:56.759 --> 00:29:59.509 alligators from cleaner lakes. Alligators from 00:29:59.509 --> 00:30:01.849 polluted lakes also show other reproductive issues, 00:30:02.009 --> 00:30:05.150 abnormal sex hormone patterns, altered gonads, 00:30:05.269 --> 00:30:08.089 low hatching success, various birth defects, 00:30:08.190 --> 00:30:10.750 all consistent with exposure to endocrine -disrupting 00:30:10.750 --> 00:30:15.950 contaminants, EDCs such as DDT derivatives, dildrin, 00:30:16.190 --> 00:30:21.549 PCBs, and related compounds. Wow. So it's all 00:30:21.549 --> 00:30:25.670 endocrine disruptors from pollution. Oh, boy. 00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:29.640 You would think that this would sound the alarm. 00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:34.019 And this is not new. He's dead. This is old work. 00:30:34.339 --> 00:30:40.359 Oh. And no one knows. First of all, there's not 00:30:40.359 --> 00:30:42.880 a lot of people that say, first problem on my 00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:45.660 list today, alligator penis sizes. It's a real 00:30:45.660 --> 00:30:48.039 issue. You're in front of Congress. We've got 00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:50.440 to talk. Alligator penis sizes are shrinking. 00:30:50.579 --> 00:30:51.759 They'd kick you out of the building. Actually, 00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:57.450 he, Lou Gillette, went to Congress. And he gave 00:30:57.450 --> 00:31:02.369 talk and he said, every man in this room is half 00:31:02.369 --> 00:31:06.630 the man his grandfather was. As far as testosterone 00:31:06.630 --> 00:31:10.160 levels, right? And penis size. Well, he didn't 00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:13.519 measure their penis, but he was making this point. 00:31:13.619 --> 00:31:17.059 Yeah, I understand. Well, I mean, it completely 00:31:17.059 --> 00:31:19.140 makes sense. But what doesn't make sense is how 00:31:19.140 --> 00:31:20.940 little attention that's being paid. You would 00:31:20.940 --> 00:31:24.240 think that in a society that is, I mean, America 00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:27.339 is also facing a potential population collapse. 00:31:27.779 --> 00:31:29.799 People don't think about that, but our reproduction 00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:32.440 numbers. We're not reproducing. Yeah, they're 00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:35.500 down quite a bit. And they're not at the level 00:31:35.500 --> 00:31:37.700 that we need in order to keep our population. 00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:41.819 It's the, you know, the normal shape of the population 00:31:41.819 --> 00:31:44.440 is like this, right? So this is up here, not 00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:47.019 very many people. And down here, lots and lots 00:31:47.019 --> 00:31:49.640 of people. And this is terms of age, older, younger 00:31:49.640 --> 00:31:52.740 at the bottom. Right. Lots of people are living 00:31:52.740 --> 00:31:56.259 longer, but fewer down here. And then what that 00:31:56.259 --> 00:31:58.579 means is the ones down here are supposed to support 00:31:58.579 --> 00:32:01.430 the ones up here. But there's not enough of them. 00:32:01.490 --> 00:32:06.049 Right. Yeah. So it's a huge societal problem. 00:32:06.990 --> 00:32:10.190 Well, it's just so confusing how few people are 00:32:10.190 --> 00:32:12.809 even aware of this. We were talking. I didn't 00:32:12.809 --> 00:32:14.470 realize it had been five years since our last 00:32:14.470 --> 00:32:17.009 podcast, which is pretty crazy. But in that five 00:32:17.009 --> 00:32:20.490 years, you barely hear about it. It's occasional. 00:32:20.650 --> 00:32:22.990 People bring up certain chemicals they think 00:32:22.990 --> 00:32:26.769 are bad. Oh, avoid this. Paul Saladino was the 00:32:26.769 --> 00:32:30.440 one that showed that the. paper cups that you 00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:33.859 get from a coffee shop, that if you take that 00:32:33.859 --> 00:32:36.380 paper away, what you have is essentially this 00:32:36.380 --> 00:32:38.359 plastic membrane. And that's what you're drinking 00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:39.680 your coffee out of. You're not drinking your 00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:43.279 coffee out of paper. And how terrible these things 00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:45.500 are for you. But even that, it's like people 00:32:45.500 --> 00:32:48.140 just dismiss it. The line around Starbucks is 00:32:48.140 --> 00:32:50.380 always the same. There's always people going 00:32:50.380 --> 00:32:52.019 to get their coffee. They don't think anything 00:32:52.019 --> 00:32:54.960 of it. And they're just consuming these chemicals 00:32:54.960 --> 00:32:58.450 that... Mess up your health. Mess up your vitality, 00:32:58.450 --> 00:33:01.690 your energy levels, everything, brain fog, all 00:33:01.690 --> 00:33:04.069 these. But whose responsibility is it, you know? 00:33:04.509 --> 00:33:06.930 Well, to talk about it, I think it's ours. It's 00:33:06.930 --> 00:33:10.089 certainly yours and mine. Well, we'll spread 00:33:10.089 --> 00:33:14.730 this word and more people discuss it. And I think 00:33:14.730 --> 00:33:16.630 more people need to be aware that this directly 00:33:16.630 --> 00:33:20.410 impacts you. Like this is not like in the future. 00:33:20.529 --> 00:33:22.309 I don't have to think about it. I'll be dead. 00:33:22.450 --> 00:33:26.910 No, it directly impacts your health, your energy 00:33:26.910 --> 00:33:30.210 levels, your vitality right now as a living human 00:33:30.210 --> 00:33:34.599 being listening to this show. Just to add to 00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:39.339 that how it affects you, not you. Humans. Maybe 00:33:39.339 --> 00:33:41.180 your levels are lower. I don't know, but we'll 00:33:41.180 --> 00:33:46.559 find out. But both men and women who have lower 00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:48.900 fertility on average, these are studies. There 00:33:48.900 --> 00:33:50.220 have been about four or five studies that have 00:33:50.220 --> 00:33:53.400 shown this. Lower fertility and sperm count on 00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:59.019 the male side die younger. Die younger. Okay? 00:33:59.099 --> 00:34:02.640 This is... Should be of concern to everybody. 00:34:02.940 --> 00:34:06.220 Yeah. Well, it makes sense. Yeah. You have less 00:34:06.220 --> 00:34:09.519 vitality, less energy, less life force. And the 00:34:09.519 --> 00:34:11.500 things that affect your sperm, your vitality, 00:34:11.500 --> 00:34:14.659 your testosterone are also affecting. It's a 00:34:14.659 --> 00:34:17.579 canary in the coal mine, if you will, of lots 00:34:17.579 --> 00:34:20.280 of things that are going south. Right. At the 00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:22.440 same time. Which completely makes sense. And 00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:25.199 as the case of my friend Philip, all this fatigue, 00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:27.679 all these issues that he was experiencing. Yeah. 00:34:27.820 --> 00:34:29.920 Yeah. It's not just one, never just one thing. 00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:36.559 Right. It is quite disturbing how uncommon these 00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:38.619 discussions are, though. That's what's crazy, 00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:41.800 you know, that this should be a huge factor. 00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:44.980 I mean, we get concerned with so many, oh, there's 00:34:44.980 --> 00:34:48.829 people concerned with alcohol consumption. Big 00:34:48.829 --> 00:34:51.849 thing, like, and that has had an impact. Children 00:34:51.849 --> 00:34:55.269 today, or young adults, I should say, today are 00:34:55.269 --> 00:34:57.409 consuming much less alcohol than people in the 00:34:57.409 --> 00:35:00.369 past. Cigarette smoking, we're aware, very dangerous. 00:35:00.889 --> 00:35:03.150 Much less cigarette smoking than in the past. 00:35:03.789 --> 00:35:07.550 The consumption of these endocrine -disrupting 00:35:07.550 --> 00:35:09.929 chemicals is essentially the same as when we 00:35:09.929 --> 00:35:13.409 talked five years ago. So I want to go back to 00:35:13.409 --> 00:35:15.130 this question I asked, is whose responsibility? 00:35:15.469 --> 00:35:19.179 So I don't think it's... I mean, it's great for 00:35:19.179 --> 00:35:21.340 you and I to be concerned and for your listeners 00:35:21.340 --> 00:35:26.199 to be concerned. But, in fact, it shouldn't be 00:35:26.199 --> 00:35:29.760 our responsibility because, you know, the drug 00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:33.099 – FDA does drugs, right? They have pretty good 00:35:33.099 --> 00:35:37.699 control of safety of drugs. Pretty good. Yeah. 00:35:37.900 --> 00:35:41.280 Okay. We can talk about that. But compared to 00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:46.690 chemicals in our daily – The products we use 00:35:46.690 --> 00:35:50.889 every day, it's fantastic because the regulatory 00:35:50.889 --> 00:35:55.409 agencies are not doing the job. Right. Okay? 00:35:55.530 --> 00:35:57.789 And so that's why it's all out there because 00:35:57.789 --> 00:36:00.409 they're not doing the job. Here in Europe, it's 00:36:00.409 --> 00:36:03.590 much better, by the way. Is it? Yeah. Well, that's 00:36:03.590 --> 00:36:05.429 bad because they're going to beat us. They'll 00:36:05.429 --> 00:36:07.849 out -reproduce us. We'll go away. They'll take 00:36:07.849 --> 00:36:11.550 over. No more America. We have to get people 00:36:11.550 --> 00:36:17.929 angry. Enough to put pressure on, you know, there's 00:36:17.929 --> 00:36:24.829 a bill, the Toxic Substances Control Act, which 00:36:24.829 --> 00:36:30.469 should be doing a lot of this. And I think it's 00:36:30.469 --> 00:36:32.630 coming up for revision. And, you know, maybe 00:36:32.630 --> 00:36:34.730 people can pay attention to that and read about 00:36:34.730 --> 00:36:37.250 it and, you know, think government should be 00:36:37.250 --> 00:36:40.699 doing this. It's not our job. It's not our job 00:36:40.699 --> 00:36:43.300 to worry about what's in our pants and what's 00:36:43.300 --> 00:36:45.219 in our this and our this and our this. You were 00:36:45.219 --> 00:36:48.739 asking what kind of denim and so on. Should we 00:36:48.739 --> 00:36:53.579 have to read up on that? Are there dyes for jeans 00:36:53.579 --> 00:36:59.380 and clothes that are not toxic? Yes, but as I 00:36:59.380 --> 00:37:03.920 said, this is not my area. I can give you a name 00:37:03.920 --> 00:37:06.199 if you want. Get somebody on clothing on this. 00:37:06.320 --> 00:37:12.599 Yeah, I'd be happy to. Just because it was relatively 00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:15.039 new to my consciousness when I was, you know, 00:37:15.059 --> 00:37:18.199 doing the film and before that. We didn't collect 00:37:18.199 --> 00:37:20.719 data on that, unfortunately. You know, maybe 00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:22.860 we should do another study. Which reminds me, 00:37:22.940 --> 00:37:26.860 there is just like so much work to be done. And 00:37:26.860 --> 00:37:29.500 for my program, there's so many interventions 00:37:29.500 --> 00:37:32.099 I want to do. We did this one, which was a great 00:37:32.099 --> 00:37:35.440 success. And now we're doing another one and 00:37:35.440 --> 00:37:38.719 we have another one. If anybody wants to help 00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:43.340 with this, it's all privately funded. The government 00:37:43.340 --> 00:37:46.920 is not going to fund this. Unfortunately. Unfortunately. 00:37:46.940 --> 00:37:50.260 So, you know, let me know if anybody comes to 00:37:50.260 --> 00:37:52.480 you and says, how can we help? Well, I'm sure 00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:55.280 somebody will reach out. They usually do. The 00:37:55.280 --> 00:37:59.679 thing that I would imagine would be the response 00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:02.039 to something like this was that there are so 00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:05.539 many industries that are established already 00:38:05.539 --> 00:38:09.900 that. that require the use of all these compounds, 00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:12.699 all these chemicals, all these endocrine -disrupting 00:38:12.699 --> 00:38:17.380 chemicals. And it's just everywhere. It's everywhere 00:38:17.380 --> 00:38:20.719 in everything. They use plastic in the production 00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:23.139 of so many different things. These things are 00:38:23.139 --> 00:38:24.880 leaching into our food. They're leaching into 00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:26.340 our clothes. They're leaching into all these 00:38:26.340 --> 00:38:28.559 various products that we use that contribute 00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:31.960 to these chemicals entering into our body, disrupting 00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:35.300 that. So you're aware of glyphosate, I'm sure. 00:38:36.030 --> 00:38:38.809 They were trying to eliminate glyphosate from 00:38:38.809 --> 00:38:42.949 the industrial agriculture. Good luck. Exactly. 00:38:43.150 --> 00:38:45.469 Well, the president passed an executive order 00:38:45.469 --> 00:38:49.710 blocking it because some enormous percent, 90 00:38:49.710 --> 00:38:53.289 -something percent of all of our food in terms 00:38:53.289 --> 00:38:56.070 of wheat, corn, all the agriculture in this country 00:38:56.070 --> 00:39:00.130 relies on glyphosate for production. And so the 00:39:00.130 --> 00:39:04.469 idea is we need poison so that we can make food. 00:39:04.969 --> 00:39:07.690 which is so crazy especially when you consider 00:39:07.690 --> 00:39:11.389 the fact that all these other countries don't 00:39:11.389 --> 00:39:14.469 use glyphosate and feed their population so how 00:39:14.469 --> 00:39:16.730 are they doing it and what do we need to do to 00:39:16.730 --> 00:39:20.969 to get back on that track and you know i had 00:39:20.969 --> 00:39:23.690 rfk jr in here to discuss it and he was very 00:39:23.690 --> 00:39:26.090 crestfallen when he was explaining that there 00:39:26.090 --> 00:39:28.030 was an executive order passed and that you know 00:39:28.030 --> 00:39:29.750 he was working very hard to try to eliminate 00:39:29.750 --> 00:39:32.960 glyphosate It's something that he discussed in 00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:35.659 previous meetings that he and I had. It was one 00:39:35.659 --> 00:39:37.880 of his primary concerns. Glyphosate is toxic. 00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:40.420 It's terrible. It's just completely awful for 00:39:40.420 --> 00:39:42.519 your body. Yet the use of it is ubiquitous in 00:39:42.519 --> 00:39:45.440 agriculture, industrial agriculture. And he was 00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:48.559 trying very hard to try to eliminate it. And 00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:52.960 then the government passes this executive order 00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:56.139 because in their estimation. Yeah, exactly. Pressure. 00:39:56.489 --> 00:39:59.449 Yeah. And this is what I worry about with – Yeah, 00:39:59.530 --> 00:40:01.210 of course. I don't want to mention any names, 00:40:01.269 --> 00:40:04.269 but there's a lot of these popular clothing brands 00:40:04.269 --> 00:40:07.170 that people wear that are fitness. I'm healthy. 00:40:07.349 --> 00:40:10.889 I'm fitness wear. And these fitness wear – these 00:40:10.889 --> 00:40:13.489 clothings that you're wearing are leaching these 00:40:13.489 --> 00:40:15.610 chemicals into your body that are screwing up 00:40:15.610 --> 00:40:17.849 your health, which is so crazy. Crazy, right? 00:40:18.030 --> 00:40:20.690 But it's so – I don't want to say it's perfect, 00:40:20.809 --> 00:40:25.380 but it sort of encapsulates. How screwed up our 00:40:25.380 --> 00:40:29.619 modern life is. Yes. The paradox. So I did a 00:40:29.619 --> 00:40:33.719 study on glyphosate. I mean, I examined our populations 00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:38.059 for glyphosate. And interestingly, they also 00:40:38.059 --> 00:40:40.159 have an effect on, remember anal genital distance? 00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:43.659 Yes. The taint size. The taint size. Yes. They 00:40:43.659 --> 00:40:46.340 influence the taint size. Yeah. Now that's not, 00:40:46.420 --> 00:40:48.900 we did it in two studies and there's been some 00:40:48.900 --> 00:40:51.639 animal studies. I can't say this is an established 00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:54.739 fact, but I'm just. pointing out that it has 00:40:54.739 --> 00:40:59.460 very many unforeseen consequences, none of them 00:40:59.460 --> 00:41:03.579 good. And by the way, I was asked to go to talk 00:41:03.579 --> 00:41:07.460 to RFK tomorrow, but I can't because I have another 00:41:07.460 --> 00:41:11.579 meeting. But I would love to talk to him about 00:41:11.579 --> 00:41:15.280 this because glyphosate is a big concern of mine. 00:41:16.119 --> 00:41:18.960 Well, I hope you do talk to him. Yeah, he has 00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:22.320 these round tables on different scientific topics. 00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:25.960 So this one is on microplastics, which is not 00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:28.440 perfect for me because I haven't measured them. 00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:31.159 But if he has one on glyphosate or pesticides, 00:41:31.539 --> 00:41:35.320 that would be a good place. Hands are tied right 00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:37.940 now on the glyphosate issue momentarily. They 00:41:37.940 --> 00:41:43.300 have some non -toxic solutions. One of them is 00:41:43.300 --> 00:41:49.119 they have this new device, which is like the 00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:54.420 same way these machines pull the crops out of 00:41:54.420 --> 00:41:57.519 the ground. These machines go over the crops 00:41:57.519 --> 00:42:01.400 and zap all the non -essential crops with a laser 00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:04.659 beam. Non -essential crops, excuse me, non -essential 00:42:04.659 --> 00:42:08.159 plants. So weeds, I would say. So as the corn's 00:42:08.159 --> 00:42:10.800 growing or whatever else it is, they're zapping 00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:13.659 all the other stuff that's growing around it 00:42:13.659 --> 00:42:15.760 that's sucking up all the resources, all the 00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:19.539 weeds. That sounds like a good step. That's a 00:42:19.539 --> 00:42:21.960 great step. Because it minimizes the use of pesticides. 00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:24.380 Exactly. And I asked, does it have any residual 00:42:24.380 --> 00:42:26.480 effect on the food? He said, no. Well, that's 00:42:26.480 --> 00:42:29.440 great. But then, you know, farmers, one of the 00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:32.269 big problems is they're already... barely making 00:42:32.269 --> 00:42:36.230 money. So if you now require them to spend X 00:42:36.230 --> 00:42:41.230 amount of dollars on some gigantic weed zapping 00:42:41.230 --> 00:42:44.210 laser that has to cover who knows how many acres 00:42:44.210 --> 00:42:46.670 they're running these. I mean, I'm sure you're 00:42:46.670 --> 00:42:50.099 aware, but monocrop agriculture. For people who 00:42:50.099 --> 00:42:52.619 have never seen, some of these places that grow 00:42:52.619 --> 00:42:55.739 corn and wheat, you're talking about these massive 00:42:55.739 --> 00:42:59.599 pieces of land that only grow one thing, which 00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:02.599 in nature doesn't exist. So, of course, nature 00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:04.480 wants to rectify that. Nature's like, why is 00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:07.420 there only wheat here? You need weeds. And so, 00:43:07.460 --> 00:43:10.059 you know, birds drop seeds, all these seeds fly 00:43:10.059 --> 00:43:11.980 in the wind, and then all these things grow. 00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:14.199 So you're going to have to get these machines 00:43:14.199 --> 00:43:18.900 that are capable of traveling over all of those. 00:43:18.960 --> 00:43:22.619 crops and zapping out all the weeds. How much 00:43:22.619 --> 00:43:24.519 is that going to cost to people that are already 00:43:24.519 --> 00:43:27.920 struggling? Because the American farmers are 00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:30.440 barely getting by, barely, and we need them. 00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:33.159 And the last thing you want to do is burden them 00:43:33.159 --> 00:43:37.489 with another cost. But also... The use of, especially 00:43:37.489 --> 00:43:39.949 when it comes to things like wheat, because they're 00:43:39.949 --> 00:43:42.690 using it after they harvest the wheat to dry 00:43:42.690 --> 00:43:44.650 it out quicker so that it doesn't grow mold on 00:43:44.650 --> 00:43:46.610 it. That's why they're using glyphosate. So it's 00:43:46.610 --> 00:43:50.989 not even as a pesticide. I didn't know that. 00:43:51.110 --> 00:43:53.329 Yeah, they're using it as, I guess, a desiccator. 00:43:53.449 --> 00:43:58.710 Wow. Yeah. And that's why so many theorized to 00:43:58.710 --> 00:44:00.469 be why so many people in this country have a 00:44:00.469 --> 00:44:04.210 problem with bread. You know? It should make 00:44:04.210 --> 00:44:07.130 sense. And with their tape. And their tape. Yeah. 00:44:07.309 --> 00:44:09.190 A lot of tape problems. A lot of people complaining. 00:44:10.150 --> 00:44:15.250 But it's just it's so weird that we're so intelligent 00:44:15.250 --> 00:44:18.170 and so informed. And, you know, now we all have 00:44:18.170 --> 00:44:20.750 supercomputers in our pockets that have access 00:44:20.750 --> 00:44:23.050 to things like perplexity. They can answer any 00:44:23.050 --> 00:44:25.110 questions you have about anything. But yet we're 00:44:25.110 --> 00:44:27.070 being poisoned by the very food that we eat, 00:44:27.110 --> 00:44:29.289 the coffee that we drink, the clothing that we 00:44:29.289 --> 00:44:32.070 wear. The water we drink. The water we drink. 00:44:32.369 --> 00:44:35.409 Everything. Here's a good question. Are there 00:44:35.409 --> 00:44:39.670 any good filters on a consumer level that will 00:44:39.670 --> 00:44:43.289 remove a lot of these chemicals from water that 00:44:43.289 --> 00:44:46.369 a person could buy? I can't name any brands. 00:44:46.730 --> 00:44:49.250 Right. But are they available? Yes, there are. 00:44:49.449 --> 00:44:52.130 Is it reverse osmosis? What are the ones that 00:44:52.130 --> 00:44:55.929 work the best? I'll tell you my solution in my 00:44:55.929 --> 00:45:00.369 house. That's very personal. We distill our water. 00:45:02.590 --> 00:45:08.170 So the water out of the tap goes into a big container, 00:45:08.309 --> 00:45:12.909 and then it's boiled. Steam is formed, crosses 00:45:12.909 --> 00:45:15.769 over, and the steam is condensed into another 00:45:15.769 --> 00:45:19.690 container, right? Right. And that has nothing 00:45:19.690 --> 00:45:23.269 in it and removes everything. By the way, all 00:45:23.269 --> 00:45:27.050 germs also. So that's what we've chosen. And 00:45:27.050 --> 00:45:30.570 in this thing that sits on the counter, my husband. 00:45:31.079 --> 00:45:33.519 Does this every other day. It's kind of a nuisance, 00:45:33.519 --> 00:45:36.760 but not too bad. And the water is fantastic. 00:45:37.260 --> 00:45:40.880 Do you have to remineralize it? You should take 00:45:40.880 --> 00:45:42.739 minerals somewhere. You can do it in the water. 00:45:42.800 --> 00:45:46.000 You can do it in your supplements. It does remove 00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:49.030 the minerals, yes. Right. That's what I've heard 00:45:49.030 --> 00:45:50.929 is the problem with drinking distilled water 00:45:50.929 --> 00:45:54.070 is that it actually leaches minerals and nutrients 00:45:54.070 --> 00:45:56.769 from your own body. That I don't believe. No? 00:45:56.869 --> 00:45:59.170 I don't believe that. But the water itself has 00:45:59.170 --> 00:46:01.869 had its minerals. Well, let's put it into perplexity. 00:46:01.929 --> 00:46:05.610 What is the issue with drinking distilled water 00:46:05.610 --> 00:46:10.010 for health purposes? And is it recommended that 00:46:10.010 --> 00:46:12.550 you add electrolytes or minerals or what have 00:46:12.550 --> 00:46:18.809 you? So one of the things that fighters do when 00:46:18.809 --> 00:46:20.429 they're cutting weight, I don't think most of 00:46:20.429 --> 00:46:23.250 them do it anymore, but a lot of them were drinking 00:46:23.250 --> 00:46:25.269 distilled water so that the water would go in 00:46:25.269 --> 00:46:27.309 their system and right out of their system. Because 00:46:27.309 --> 00:46:29.050 cutting weight for fighting, I don't know if 00:46:29.050 --> 00:46:30.730 you know about this, but they have to weigh in 00:46:30.730 --> 00:46:32.550 at a certain weight class, and essentially what 00:46:32.550 --> 00:46:34.750 they do is radically dehydrate themselves 24 00:46:34.750 --> 00:46:36.750 hours before a fight, which is not a great idea. 00:46:37.110 --> 00:46:40.559 It's a terrible idea. So perplexity says it is 00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:42.239 generally safe to drink distilled water. Most 00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:44.199 people do not need to add minerals to it as long 00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:47.380 as they eat a reasonably balanced diet. Distilled 00:46:47.380 --> 00:46:48.900 water is simply water that's been boiled and 00:46:48.900 --> 00:46:51.780 recondensed, so it's very low in contaminants 00:46:51.780 --> 00:46:54.099 and minerals. Health sources note that it is 00:46:54.099 --> 00:46:56.400 safe to drink but tends to taste flat because 00:46:56.400 --> 00:46:58.460 minerals like calcium and magnesium are removed. 00:46:59.490 --> 00:47:01.769 What about minerals? You get the vast majority 00:47:01.769 --> 00:47:04.349 of needed minerals, calcium, magnesium, potassium, 00:47:04.710 --> 00:47:07.250 et cetera, from food, not water. So distilled 00:47:07.250 --> 00:47:09.329 water alone does not usually cause deficiencies 00:47:09.329 --> 00:47:11.110 in healthy people with a good diet. However, 00:47:11.250 --> 00:47:13.469 some organizations and reviews point out that 00:47:13.469 --> 00:47:16.230 long -term use of very low mineral water may 00:47:16.230 --> 00:47:19.130 slightly reduce mineral intake. And in specific 00:47:19.130 --> 00:47:21.929 groups, children, heavy exercisers, there we 00:47:21.929 --> 00:47:24.780 go, people with certain illnesses. could contribute 00:47:24.780 --> 00:47:28.099 to electrolyte imbalance if diet is poor. So 00:47:28.099 --> 00:47:31.320 when might adding minerals help? Distilled water 00:47:31.320 --> 00:47:33.519 is humane or only drinking water and your diet 00:47:33.519 --> 00:47:35.340 is low in fruits, vegetables, and other mineral 00:47:35.340 --> 00:47:38.119 -rich foods. Adding a pinch of mineral salt or 00:47:38.119 --> 00:47:41.800 using a remineralization cartridge. That sounds 00:47:41.800 --> 00:47:44.170 terrible. Cartridge sounds like plastic, right? 00:47:44.269 --> 00:47:47.489 Or drops can help restore small amounts of calcium, 00:47:47.610 --> 00:47:49.690 magnesium, and electrolytes and improve taste. 00:47:50.130 --> 00:47:52.469 Athletes who sweat heavily, people with kidney 00:47:52.469 --> 00:47:54.929 or hormonal issues affecting electrolytes, and 00:47:54.929 --> 00:47:57.670 those on very restricted diets should be more 00:47:57.670 --> 00:48:00.090 cautious about relying exclusively on distilled 00:48:00.090 --> 00:48:02.789 water and may benefit from electrolyte or mineral 00:48:02.789 --> 00:48:06.510 replacement as advised by a clinician. I mean, 00:48:06.550 --> 00:48:08.389 I recommend people take electrolytes anyway. 00:48:08.590 --> 00:48:12.030 I always add electrolytes to water. Every day. 00:48:12.289 --> 00:48:16.230 Here's a funny anecdote. We have a cat. What's 00:48:16.230 --> 00:48:18.670 your cat's name? His name is Archie. Archie. 00:48:18.750 --> 00:48:24.869 Archie. And Archie patrols the house and steals 00:48:24.869 --> 00:48:28.630 our water whenever possible. He comes and drinks 00:48:28.630 --> 00:48:30.909 from our glasses unless we cover them up. So 00:48:30.909 --> 00:48:32.489 you think Archie probably likes your water because 00:48:32.489 --> 00:48:34.909 it doesn't smell like poison to him. He loves 00:48:34.909 --> 00:48:39.440 our water. And he has the choice of. His own 00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:41.800 water, which comes out of the tap. And he will 00:48:41.800 --> 00:48:45.860 100 % prefer our distilled water. Which makes 00:48:45.860 --> 00:48:47.840 sense. If you think about a cat's sense of smell, 00:48:47.900 --> 00:48:50.280 it's got to be off the charts. Yeah. So he can 00:48:50.280 --> 00:48:52.039 probably smell like this water's got a bunch 00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:55.480 of junk in it. And when you do the process, which 00:48:55.480 --> 00:48:59.219 Stephen does every other day, and he goes to 00:48:59.219 --> 00:49:01.480 clean the container that you put the water in, 00:49:01.539 --> 00:49:05.199 it stinks. It really stinks. You would be shocked. 00:49:05.500 --> 00:49:10.260 Wow. Well, we have a crazy filter at our house. 00:49:10.340 --> 00:49:12.659 We have well water and then we have this crazy 00:49:12.659 --> 00:49:16.260 filter, this giant machine that filters all the 00:49:16.260 --> 00:49:20.639 water. It tastes delicious. But it's not distilled. 00:49:21.860 --> 00:49:26.199 I'm not saying that, you know. You shouldn't 00:49:26.199 --> 00:49:28.219 distill. That's an alternative. I mean, sorry, 00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:29.840 you shouldn't filter. That's an alternative. 00:49:30.059 --> 00:49:32.559 But I'm just saying what we chose to do. Right. 00:49:32.559 --> 00:49:35.820 And so the distilling, it removes chlorine and 00:49:35.820 --> 00:49:37.360 all these other issues that are in the water 00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:41.139 as well. Yeah, and fluoride, everything. Fluoride 00:49:41.139 --> 00:49:43.719 is another one that's bananas that we add to 00:49:43.719 --> 00:49:46.300 water under the guise that it helps your teeth. 00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:49.440 Like, shut up, brush your teeth. I don't have 00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:52.199 any cavities. I don't use fluoride. I have fluoride 00:49:52.199 --> 00:49:54.480 -free toothpaste. I don't have fluoride in my 00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:58.420 water. It's dumb. It's not just dumb. It's completely 00:49:58.420 --> 00:50:02.340 connected to lower IQs. There's a direct correlation 00:50:02.340 --> 00:50:05.460 between higher fluoride content in water and 00:50:05.460 --> 00:50:08.969 lower IQs. There's a giant business involved 00:50:08.969 --> 00:50:13.090 in selling fluoride to these municipal water 00:50:13.090 --> 00:50:16.090 supplies. I know. Which is nuts. More poison. 00:50:16.289 --> 00:50:19.849 We are so screwed up. Chlorination. Yeah. And 00:50:19.849 --> 00:50:22.570 I've said for years I studied chlorination byproducts 00:50:22.570 --> 00:50:27.630 and they cause miscarriage. So it's got to be 00:50:27.630 --> 00:50:29.829 terrible for people that swim a lot in public 00:50:29.829 --> 00:50:32.789 pools, right? Yeah. Because then it's being absorbed 00:50:32.789 --> 00:50:36.090 by your skin. I don't know how much exposure 00:50:36.090 --> 00:50:38.469 you get in the relatively short time you're swimming. 00:50:38.590 --> 00:50:40.449 Let's find out. I don't know. Yeah. Let's find 00:50:40.449 --> 00:50:42.750 out. Put that into perplexity. How much of an 00:50:42.750 --> 00:50:48.030 issue is chlorine exposure in swimming pools? 00:50:50.369 --> 00:50:54.769 Let's find out. We don't know. We're learning 00:50:54.769 --> 00:50:57.889 so much. There's a little science. That question 00:50:57.889 --> 00:51:00.650 is going to get. tossed around here by perplexity 00:51:00.650 --> 00:51:02.550 because it could go multiple ways with it. Is 00:51:02.550 --> 00:51:04.869 there too much chlorine? You know what I mean? 00:51:05.010 --> 00:51:09.550 Right. Okay. Let's say, is chlorine exposure 00:51:09.550 --> 00:51:13.230 in swimming pools a health concern? Yeah. That's 00:51:13.230 --> 00:51:17.730 good. There we go. Let's try that. I bet it is. 00:51:17.929 --> 00:51:19.750 I mean, it only makes sense. I would like to 00:51:19.750 --> 00:51:21.710 study someone like Michael Phelps, someone who 00:51:21.710 --> 00:51:25.750 spent thousands of hours in a pool, whether or 00:51:25.750 --> 00:51:29.150 not it's affected his body in any way. Whether 00:51:29.150 --> 00:51:31.389 or not there's like measurable chlorine levels 00:51:31.389 --> 00:51:34.559 in his urine or what have you. Chlorine in properly 00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:36.880 maintained pools is generally considered safe, 00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:39.440 but it can cause irritation of eyes, skin, and 00:51:39.440 --> 00:51:41.719 airways. Well, that can't be good. And heavily 00:51:41.719 --> 00:51:44.119 frequent exposure, especially indoors, can contribute 00:51:44.119 --> 00:51:46.920 to respiratory problems in some people. What 00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:49.440 chlorine does in pools, it kills germs like bacteria 00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:52.079 and viruses in pools and is key for preventing 00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:54.940 infections and diarrhea illnesses from contaminated 00:51:54.940 --> 00:51:58.019 water. Public health guidance typically recommends 00:51:58.019 --> 00:52:01.460 free chlorine about one to four parts per million 00:52:01.460 --> 00:52:06.320 with pH 7. 7 .0 to 7 .8 within this range. Disinfection 00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:09.519 is effective and side effects are usually mild. 00:52:09.679 --> 00:52:12.179 Common short -term effects, irritation of eyes, 00:52:12.239 --> 00:52:15.460 nose, throat, skin. Common when levels are high, 00:52:15.559 --> 00:52:18.159 when chloramines build up, especially in indoor 00:52:18.159 --> 00:52:21.639 pools. Chloramines form when chlorine reacts 00:52:21.639 --> 00:52:23.900 with sweat, urine, and other organic matter. 00:52:23.960 --> 00:52:26.000 It can become airborne and irritate the respiratory 00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:29.019 tract, causing coughing, wheezing, or tight chest 00:52:29.019 --> 00:52:33.400 in some swimmers and staff. Long -term regular 00:52:33.400 --> 00:52:37.780 heavy exposure in indoors poorly ventilated pools 00:52:37.780 --> 00:52:40.199 has been linked to increased respiratory symptoms. 00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:44.239 Some studies suggest increased asthma risk. Okay, 00:52:44.300 --> 00:52:51.019 put this in as a follow -up question. Is exposure 00:52:51.019 --> 00:53:03.920 to chlorine through the skin? responsible for 00:53:03.920 --> 00:53:10.840 any health issues. Let's just through the skin, 00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:14.360 see if there's any studies on that. Chlorine 00:53:14.360 --> 00:53:16.059 getting into the body through the intact skin 00:53:16.059 --> 00:53:18.119 from pool water does not appear to cause systemic 00:53:18.119 --> 00:53:20.659 whole body health problems in otherwise healthy 00:53:20.659 --> 00:53:23.199 people. Its effects are almost entirely local 00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:26.260 to the skin itself. What skin exposure actually 00:53:26.260 --> 00:53:28.880 does, chlorine is an irritant that strips the 00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:31.199 natural skin oils and disrupts the outer barrier, 00:53:31.400 --> 00:53:34.800 leading to dryness, tightness, itching. So put 00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:39.019 this in. What exposure does chlorine have to 00:53:39.019 --> 00:53:43.809 healthy skin flora? Because healthy skin flora, 00:53:43.889 --> 00:53:47.690 you know, I do jiu -jitsu, and one of the things 00:53:47.690 --> 00:53:49.489 that happens with jiu -jitsu is you get a lot 00:53:49.489 --> 00:53:53.349 of skin diseases. Really? People get ringworm, 00:53:53.690 --> 00:53:56.590 staph infections. Well, you're getting scratched 00:53:56.590 --> 00:53:59.050 up a lot. You're rolling around on the mats. 00:53:59.269 --> 00:54:02.809 And if the mats are dirty and if it's just there's 00:54:02.809 --> 00:54:04.869 exposure to it, you can have a problem. And then 00:54:04.869 --> 00:54:07.550 one of the problems that people have is to treat 00:54:07.550 --> 00:54:11.690 that, they use antibacterial skin soap. So what 00:54:11.690 --> 00:54:14.110 that does is it strips the skin of all the healthy 00:54:14.110 --> 00:54:16.670 flora, which actually protects you. The counter 00:54:16.670 --> 00:54:19.230 to that, I always bring this up. I have no affiliation 00:54:19.230 --> 00:54:20.909 with this product, but it's an excellent product. 00:54:20.969 --> 00:54:24.960 It's called Defense Soap. Defense soap is my 00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:27.780 friend Guy Sacco. He invented it. He's a wrestling 00:54:27.780 --> 00:54:32.659 coach. It was a solution using healthy things 00:54:32.659 --> 00:54:37.579 like tea tree oil, eucalyptus in this soap that 00:54:37.579 --> 00:54:41.159 kills the bad bacteria but does nothing to the 00:54:41.159 --> 00:54:43.400 healthy flora. That's great. Yes. So that's the 00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:47.420 only soap that I use. Chlorinated pool water 00:54:47.420 --> 00:54:50.960 does disturb normal skin flora temporarily, but 00:54:50.960 --> 00:54:53.260 in healthy people, the microbiome usually recovers 00:54:53.260 --> 00:54:56.539 within hours to a day or so after swimming. So 00:54:56.539 --> 00:54:58.300 that's a problem if you swim every day then. 00:54:58.659 --> 00:55:01.360 Chlorine is a broad disinfectant, so it kills 00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:03.880 or suppresses both good and bad bacteria on the 00:55:03.880 --> 00:55:09.230 skin surface. Reducing overall microbial... diversity 00:55:09.230 --> 00:55:12.570 right after swimming. Experimental and field 00:55:12.570 --> 00:55:15.170 studies show that even short exposure can cut 00:55:15.170 --> 00:55:18.090 measured microbiome diversity markedly, often 00:55:18.090 --> 00:55:20.989 cited around 30 to 40 percent, with composition 00:55:20.989 --> 00:55:23.489 shifting away from the usual dominant groups 00:55:23.489 --> 00:55:26.679 right after a swim. How long disruption lasts 00:55:26.679 --> 00:55:29.619 after leaving the pool, many of the resident 00:55:29.619 --> 00:55:32.340 species begin to recolonize from deeper skin 00:55:32.340 --> 00:55:36.000 layers, hair follicles, and the environment, 00:55:36.039 --> 00:55:38.960 and community composition tends to drift backward 00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:41.519 towards baseline over the next 24 -plus hours. 00:55:41.639 --> 00:55:44.980 With frequent repeated swimming, daily or high 00:55:44.980 --> 00:55:47.820 -volume training, the skin may be in a more chronically 00:55:47.820 --> 00:55:51.059 perturbed state with less time for full microbiome 00:55:51.059 --> 00:55:55.039 recovery in between exposures. I know a lot of 00:55:55.039 --> 00:55:58.400 people have switched their pools over to saltwater 00:55:58.400 --> 00:56:01.800 pools for this very reason. I think there's a 00:56:01.800 --> 00:56:05.280 problem with saltwater pools in very high temperature 00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:08.500 areas, though, where it's not effective enough 00:56:08.500 --> 00:56:12.519 to stop mold and all the junk. Right, right, 00:56:12.519 --> 00:56:17.159 right. Yeah. Do you want to see these products 00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:18.519 I brought? I would love to see these products 00:56:18.519 --> 00:56:22.710 you brought. Here you go. These are for... Cleaning 00:56:22.710 --> 00:56:24.849 up your kitchen. What's up, Jimmy? A note on 00:56:24.849 --> 00:56:26.650 what you just said. A saltwater pool is still 00:56:26.650 --> 00:56:28.809 technically a chlorine pool. Oh, still a chlorine 00:56:28.809 --> 00:56:31.210 pool. It just makes the chlorine on site instead 00:56:31.210 --> 00:56:34.510 of pouring it in. Oh. Yeah. Salt systems work. 00:56:34.550 --> 00:56:37.349 Pool is ordinary salt, sodium chloride, dissolved 00:56:37.349 --> 00:56:41.030 in the water, usually around. 2 ,700 to 3 ,400 00:56:41.030 --> 00:56:42.969 parts per million, which is about one -tenth 00:56:42.969 --> 00:56:45.969 the salinity of the ocean. And close to body 00:56:45.969 --> 00:56:48.789 fluid levels, the water passes through an electrically 00:56:48.789 --> 00:56:51.989 charged salt cell, which uses electrolysis to 00:56:51.989 --> 00:56:54.730 convert some of that salt into active chlorine, 00:56:54.969 --> 00:57:01.429 mainly hypochlorous acid and sodium hypochlorite. 00:57:02.079 --> 00:57:04.119 that sanitizes the pool. After chlorine does 00:57:04.119 --> 00:57:06.900 its job, it ends up back as chloride, and the 00:57:06.900 --> 00:57:09.099 cycle repeats, so you keep generating chlorine 00:57:09.099 --> 00:57:11.300 as long as the system runs and there's enough 00:57:11.300 --> 00:57:13.650 salt. What's different from your standard chlorine 00:57:13.650 --> 00:57:16.670 pool, you still have free chlorine in the water 00:57:16.670 --> 00:57:19.269 at typical pool levels, about one to four parts 00:57:19.269 --> 00:57:21.869 per million. The difference is the source, salt 00:57:21.869 --> 00:57:24.309 generator versus liquid table chlorine, not the 00:57:24.309 --> 00:57:26.949 sanitizer itself. Most people find salt pools 00:57:26.949 --> 00:57:30.789 a bit gentler, the water feels softer, and continuous 00:57:30.789 --> 00:57:34.849 low -level generation can mean fewer chloramines, 00:57:35.269 --> 00:57:39.230 less smell and irritation if the system is sized 00:57:39.230 --> 00:57:42.590 and maintained correctly. Interesting. Okay, 00:57:42.690 --> 00:57:45.070 so it's still chlorine. So it still probably 00:57:45.070 --> 00:57:48.710 disturbs your microbiome, which sucks. This episode 00:57:48.710 --> 00:57:52.230 is brought to you by Intuit TurboTax. 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So in the movie, you'll see that I came 00:58:42.929 --> 00:58:46.110 to the homes of the participants with a big box, 00:58:46.170 --> 00:58:49.369 about this big. So this is obviously a very small 00:58:49.369 --> 00:58:53.070 part of that. This is just part of your kitchen. 00:58:53.250 --> 00:58:56.400 So these are bags that are safe? Oven, freezer, 00:58:56.760 --> 00:58:59.659 microwave. It's called zip top. Yeah, they're 00:58:59.659 --> 00:59:01.179 silicone. They're made of silicone. Oh, okay. 00:59:01.360 --> 00:59:04.699 Yeah. So silicone's okay. Silicone, there is 00:59:04.699 --> 00:59:10.099 food grade silicone. Okay. And that is - Like 00:59:10.099 --> 00:59:15.119 spatulas. Yeah. And food grade silicone is free 00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:18.400 of phthalates and dysphenols. So you can use 00:59:18.400 --> 00:59:20.460 that. Oh, this is a lot thicker. This is like 00:59:20.460 --> 00:59:24.500 - A lot thicker, yeah. Yeah. And so this is reusable? 00:59:24.880 --> 00:59:28.079 Yeah, absolutely. And you just put your food 00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:30.420 in the fridge in that instead of in a... So you 00:59:30.420 --> 00:59:33.219 can buy these things? This company, Zip Top, 00:59:33.460 --> 00:59:35.860 do they make them specifically for that reason? 00:59:36.639 --> 00:59:39.739 Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, there's one of many companies 00:59:39.739 --> 00:59:43.460 that makes... So this is essentially like a Ziploc 00:59:43.460 --> 00:59:47.380 bag, but it's way thicker. Yeah. Kind of cool. 00:59:47.460 --> 00:59:50.019 And so they make these larger as well, so you 00:59:50.019 --> 00:59:53.380 can... There are a lot of good alternatives for 00:59:53.380 --> 00:59:57.079 food storage. Glass, of course, is really good. 00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:01.639 And ceramic is really good. It seems so much 01:00:01.639 --> 01:00:03.480 better, too, because it's not creating as much 01:00:03.480 --> 01:00:06.320 plastic waste since it's reusable. Now, do you 01:00:06.320 --> 01:00:08.539 just run this through a dishwasher? Now, what 01:00:08.539 --> 01:00:11.119 about dishwashing solvents and detergents and 01:00:11.119 --> 01:00:16.000 stuff like that? There's always problems. The 01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:19.099 world's filled with problems, Jamie. The pods 01:00:19.099 --> 01:00:22.119 are probably not great. Oh, right. Of course, 01:00:22.139 --> 01:00:27.480 right? Damn pods. Pods, tea bags, coffee pods, 01:00:27.679 --> 01:00:29.380 yeah. Remember when kids were eating Tide Pods? 01:00:31.000 --> 01:00:33.579 It's like nature's trying to get rid of some 01:00:33.579 --> 01:00:38.380 of the dummies. Okay. So this company. I think 01:00:38.380 --> 01:00:40.099 there's two of those in there. Yeah. These are 01:00:40.099 --> 01:00:41.820 just little examples, you know. Let's give this 01:00:41.820 --> 01:00:46.989 company a shout out. It's called Zip Top. And 01:00:46.989 --> 01:00:49.469 I guess they make them all sizes. This is like 01:00:49.469 --> 01:00:51.829 sandwich size. Yeah. This is, I guess, a snack 01:00:51.829 --> 01:00:54.750 size. And they make them larger, too. And they 01:00:54.750 --> 01:00:57.829 seal well, you know. That's another question 01:00:57.829 --> 01:01:02.650 that I had about sous vide. There's a lot of 01:01:02.650 --> 01:01:05.949 people that cook their food in these sous vide 01:01:05.949 --> 01:01:09.750 machines. Really? That's very common. Yeah. I 01:01:09.750 --> 01:01:13.789 thought it was kind of high, you know. In restaurants 01:01:13.789 --> 01:01:16.210 and stuff? Well, I mean, I know there's consumer 01:01:16.210 --> 01:01:18.789 versions of it that I know a lot of my friends 01:01:18.789 --> 01:01:23.070 use it. Yeah. They use it for wild game in particular 01:01:23.070 --> 01:01:26.170 because you can slow cook. So one of the things 01:01:26.170 --> 01:01:28.670 about wild game, it has a very low fat content. 01:01:28.829 --> 01:01:32.429 And a lot of people find that it's more tender 01:01:32.429 --> 01:01:35.969 if you slowly cook. So let's say if you like 01:01:35.969 --> 01:01:38.050 medium rare is like, what is medium rare? Like 01:01:38.050 --> 01:01:42.179 135 degrees, I think. So what you would do is 01:01:42.179 --> 01:01:45.860 you would take this piece of meat and you would 01:01:45.860 --> 01:01:49.059 seal it up in a vacuum sealed container. And 01:01:49.059 --> 01:01:52.340 you dunk it in this sous vide machine. And it 01:01:52.340 --> 01:01:54.559 keeps the water at 135 degrees. You can cook 01:01:54.559 --> 01:01:57.760 it for several hours at 135. And then you sear 01:01:57.760 --> 01:02:00.320 the outside of it. Nice. Yeah. And so a lot of 01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:03.309 people like that. And it's really good for breaking 01:02:03.309 --> 01:02:06.570 down some of the harder stuff like, you know, 01:02:06.590 --> 01:02:11.489 the fascia. Gristle, yeah. So is that stuff leaking 01:02:11.489 --> 01:02:14.190 chemicals into your food? It has to be, right? 01:02:14.369 --> 01:02:17.590 Why? Well, because it's in plastic. You're getting 01:02:17.590 --> 01:02:20.170 these vacuum -sealed plastic bags that the food 01:02:20.170 --> 01:02:22.929 goes in. Have you seen how sous vide works? You 01:02:22.929 --> 01:02:25.130 have to put it in plastic? Yes. Have you seen 01:02:25.130 --> 01:02:26.429 how these sous vide things work? No, then it's 01:02:26.429 --> 01:02:29.250 bad. Then it sounds just as bad as microwaving 01:02:29.250 --> 01:02:32.090 in plastic. Right. So what you do with sous vide 01:02:32.090 --> 01:02:35.849 is you season the food. And a lot of times you'll 01:02:35.849 --> 01:02:38.590 add like olive oil and things like that to the 01:02:38.590 --> 01:02:40.650 outside of it. You couldn't make it out of silicone? 01:02:40.969 --> 01:02:43.789 I would imagine you could, right? I don't know. 01:02:43.889 --> 01:02:47.250 Let's find that out. Has anybody made silicone 01:02:47.250 --> 01:02:51.989 -based sous vide bags? And do these sous vide 01:02:51.989 --> 01:02:55.579 bags leach chemicals? I saw a discussion on Reddit 01:02:55.579 --> 01:02:57.400 about this, but they didn't really have an answer. 01:02:57.880 --> 01:02:59.840 Like they're asking that the temperatures might 01:02:59.840 --> 01:03:02.980 not be high enough. I don't know. Yeah. What 01:03:02.980 --> 01:03:08.460 are the temperatures that start these chemicals 01:03:08.460 --> 01:03:12.739 leaking from the plastics into your water? Because 01:03:12.739 --> 01:03:14.900 a lot of times they say don't leave a bottle 01:03:14.900 --> 01:03:17.460 of water in your car. That's right. Because your 01:03:17.460 --> 01:03:20.440 car can get really hot. So how hot's your car 01:03:20.440 --> 01:03:22.679 yet? It doesn't get that hot. It doesn't get, 01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:26.260 like, cooking hot. So it's like, what is... But 01:03:26.260 --> 01:03:28.960 if the sous vide bags don't have plasticizers 01:03:28.960 --> 01:03:32.260 in them, like if they're made of silicone, you 01:03:32.260 --> 01:03:35.780 know, food -based... Food... What is it? Food 01:03:35.780 --> 01:03:38.760 grade silicone. Yeah, similar. So it says we 01:03:38.760 --> 01:03:40.480 use vacuum sealed bags. We're really going through 01:03:40.480 --> 01:03:41.940 them right now, even on our early sous vide. 01:03:41.980 --> 01:03:45.019 I tried silicone, reusable, and I wasn't happy. 01:03:45.320 --> 01:03:47.980 I don't really recall why. I think it was hard 01:03:47.980 --> 01:03:50.559 to get stuff in without a mess. Okay, that doesn't 01:03:50.559 --> 01:03:53.380 make any sense. Just deal with the mess. We made 01:03:53.380 --> 01:03:56.500 a switch to vacuum bags. I love it, but oof, 01:03:56.500 --> 01:04:01.219 we use a lot of bags. Okay. Put this into perplexity, 01:04:01.219 --> 01:04:06.639 please. Do sous vide bags leach endocrine -disrupting 01:04:06.639 --> 01:04:09.460 chemicals into your food when you cook with them? 01:04:09.920 --> 01:04:13.380 Let's try that. Sweet. We're learning things. 01:04:13.519 --> 01:04:16.619 Yeah. Does it have to be vacuum sealed? Probably, 01:04:16.659 --> 01:04:17.940 right, because you don't want water leaking in 01:04:17.940 --> 01:04:20.260 there? Yeah, you don't want water leaking in. 01:04:20.300 --> 01:04:23.360 I have a machine, and I use this vacuum -sealed 01:04:23.360 --> 01:04:26.340 machine. So if I get wild game and then I cut 01:04:26.340 --> 01:04:29.539 it up into pieces and then I seal it in these 01:04:29.539 --> 01:04:33.659 vacuum -sealed bags to freeze it. Silicone -based 01:04:33.659 --> 01:04:35.840 sous vide bags are generally considered safe 01:04:35.840 --> 01:04:38.360 for food use and do not significantly leach. 01:04:38.699 --> 01:04:41.059 Significantly is a weird word. Leach harmful 01:04:41.059 --> 01:04:44.079 chemicals under typical cooking conditions. High 01:04:44.079 --> 01:04:47.280 -quality food -grade silicone is inert, BPA -free. 01:04:47.440 --> 01:04:52.000 This is silicone, though. Food -grade silicone 01:04:52.000 --> 01:04:58.420 shows minimal chemical migration, such as siloxanes. 01:04:59.389 --> 01:05:01.050 especially compared to plastics that release 01:05:01.050 --> 01:05:06.090 microplastics like BPA. This is a silicone, though. 01:05:07.809 --> 01:05:10.670 What was the question that you asked? How did 01:05:10.670 --> 01:05:13.389 you phrase it? Well, you were asking about sous 01:05:13.389 --> 01:05:14.949 vide bags. Okay, you write silicone -based sous 01:05:14.949 --> 01:05:19.250 vide bags. Not silicone -based, just like plastic 01:05:19.250 --> 01:05:22.170 sous vide bags. Well, you know they're going 01:05:22.170 --> 01:05:24.750 to leak stuff. Let's find out. Regular plastic 01:05:24.750 --> 01:05:34.639 sous vide bags. Let's see what it says. Right. 01:05:34.639 --> 01:05:37.340 But I want to make sure that it's vacuum sealed 01:05:37.340 --> 01:05:40.360 sous vide bags. It should know that we're talking 01:05:40.360 --> 01:05:43.000 about sous vide bags here. Regular plastic bags 01:05:43.000 --> 01:05:46.219 can be reasonably, I don't like that word, safe 01:05:46.219 --> 01:05:48.920 for sous vide if you use the right kind, food 01:05:48.920 --> 01:05:52.480 grade, BPA and phthalate free and rated for hot 01:05:52.480 --> 01:05:55.059 food. But all plastics can leak some chemicals 01:05:55.059 --> 01:05:57.739 and the data specific to sous vide is still limited. 01:05:58.510 --> 01:06:01.190 What regular bags are safe? Look for bags made 01:06:01.190 --> 01:06:05.630 with polyethylene and or polypropylene that are 01:06:05.630 --> 01:06:08.610 labeled food grade and microwave safe. Is there 01:06:08.610 --> 01:06:10.349 a plastic that's microwave safe, though? Is that 01:06:10.349 --> 01:06:15.250 real? Yeah, these are considered safe with food 01:06:15.250 --> 01:06:20.469 up to around 190 to 195 Fahrenheit. brand zipper 01:06:20.469 --> 01:06:26.010 bag, Ziploc Glad, are polyethylene BPA and dioxin 01:06:26.010 --> 01:06:28.630 free and are commonly used for sous vide at typical 01:06:28.630 --> 01:06:33.619 temperatures below 176. Purpose -made vacuum 01:06:33.619 --> 01:06:36.000 sealer or boil -in sous vide pouches, that's 01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:38.400 what I use, are specifically certified as food 01:06:38.400 --> 01:06:40.420 grade for cooking and are the safest plastic 01:06:40.420 --> 01:06:43.179 option if you want disposable. So it seems like 01:06:43.179 --> 01:06:46.739 it's reasonably safe to do that. A review by 01:06:46.739 --> 01:06:50.679 Utah's Department of Health notes that there's 01:06:50.679 --> 01:06:52.559 a lack of studies directly measuring chemical 01:06:52.559 --> 01:06:54.639 leaching from sous vide bags, but recommends 01:06:54.639 --> 01:06:57.519 using FDA -compliant BPA and phthalate -free 01:06:57.519 --> 01:07:01.610 plastics, which are not known for estrogen. estrogenic 01:07:01.610 --> 01:07:04.789 activity and are considered safe for food contact 01:07:04.789 --> 01:07:12.610 okay it says trout see it says there one trout 01:07:12.610 --> 01:07:15.590 study found detectable bpa and fish cooked but 01:07:15.590 --> 01:07:21.170 the problem is food like here's the problem freshwater 01:07:21.170 --> 01:07:25.000 lakes If you're catching a trout in a freshwater 01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:28.340 lake, freshwater lakes have horrible levels of 01:07:28.340 --> 01:07:31.760 these chemicals in them. And most people do not 01:07:31.760 --> 01:07:35.079 recommend eating food from freshwater lakes, 01:07:35.260 --> 01:07:38.579 which is so crazy. You think, oh, I'm going to 01:07:38.579 --> 01:07:41.219 go catch a fish from a lake. This is going to 01:07:41.219 --> 01:07:43.840 be really healthy. It's right from nature. Uh 01:07:43.840 --> 01:07:49.789 -uh. No, we've ruined lakes. What is the issue, 01:07:49.949 --> 01:07:53.289 put this in, what is the issue with eating fish 01:07:53.289 --> 01:07:56.489 from freshwater lakes in America? What are the 01:07:56.489 --> 01:08:00.269 health issues? Eating fish from freshwater lakes 01:08:00.269 --> 01:08:02.889 in America. We've looked this up before. It's 01:08:02.889 --> 01:08:05.489 kind of stunning how much chemicals you get from 01:08:05.489 --> 01:08:08.050 a single fish that you would catch. So if you 01:08:08.050 --> 01:08:11.269 catch a trout from, you know, a regular lake, 01:08:11.389 --> 01:08:13.309 you go to a lake, it looks clean. I can see the 01:08:13.309 --> 01:08:16.470 bottom. Everything's fine. No. It's bad for you. 01:08:16.510 --> 01:08:19.770 In fact, I know a guy who is friends with someone 01:08:19.770 --> 01:08:22.869 who does a lot of fishing tournaments. So he 01:08:22.869 --> 01:08:25.210 goes to these fishing tournaments, catches a 01:08:25.210 --> 01:08:26.770 lot of fish. He eats a lot of fish, obviously. 01:08:26.930 --> 01:08:30.289 And he got horribly, horribly sick because of 01:08:30.289 --> 01:08:33.590 heavy metal poisoning. Isn't that terrible? Crazy. 01:08:33.689 --> 01:08:36.789 You think you're eating fresh fish that you've 01:08:36.789 --> 01:08:39.170 caught yourself. It's got to be good, right? 01:08:39.189 --> 01:08:41.600 And it's got to be bad for the fish. Eating U 01:08:41.600 --> 01:08:43.840 .S. freshwater fish can expose you to chemical 01:08:43.840 --> 01:08:48.399 contaminants like mercury and PFAS, and if eaten 01:08:48.399 --> 01:08:50.720 undercooked or raw, to parasites and some bacteria. 01:08:50.979 --> 01:08:53.279 Most people can still eat freshwater fish safely 01:08:53.279 --> 01:08:56.180 if they follow local advisories and avoid high 01:08:56.180 --> 01:08:58.800 -risk groups, pregnant people, young children, 01:08:58.859 --> 01:09:01.779 eating too much. Main chemical risks, mercury. 01:09:03.250 --> 01:09:06.130 Methylmercury. Nearly all wild fish contain some 01:09:06.130 --> 01:09:07.890 mercury, but levels in many U .S. freshwater 01:09:07.890 --> 01:09:11.229 fish can be high enough to harm a fetus or a 01:09:11.229 --> 01:09:14.050 young child's developing brain and nervous system 01:09:14.050 --> 01:09:17.510 if eaten often. That's crazy. PFAS, forever chemicals. 01:09:17.850 --> 01:09:21.149 Many U .S. freshwater fish have measurable PFAS 01:09:21.149 --> 01:09:24.590 and in some studies show widespread PFAS plus 01:09:24.590 --> 01:09:27.170 mercury in fish tissue at levels that pose health 01:09:27.170 --> 01:09:30.310 risks for frequent consumers. PFAS exposure has 01:09:30.310 --> 01:09:32.670 been linked to changes in liver. and kidney function, 01:09:32.890 --> 01:09:35.850 cholesterol, immune response, pregnancy complications, 01:09:36.210 --> 01:09:38.770 and increased risk of certain cancers. I don't 01:09:38.770 --> 01:09:42.970 know why they haven't mentioned autoimmune. Oh, 01:09:43.289 --> 01:09:45.649 they do say immune. Immune response, yes. Yeah, 01:09:45.689 --> 01:09:49.569 immune response. Yeah, this guy in Denmark studied 01:09:49.569 --> 01:09:52.609 people on the Faroe Islands, which they all eat 01:09:52.609 --> 01:09:54.829 fish. They catch them, you know, the Faroe Islands, 01:09:54.930 --> 01:09:57.449 and they catch them there. So he looked at the 01:09:57.449 --> 01:10:02.310 levels of PFAS, and then he looked at their antibody 01:10:02.310 --> 01:10:07.949 response to vaccination down. And so think of 01:10:07.949 --> 01:10:09.710 what that means in, you know, like it's time 01:10:09.710 --> 01:10:13.590 of COVID or whatever. I want to do an intervention 01:10:13.590 --> 01:10:19.710 where we take kids who are getting PFAS -free 01:10:19.710 --> 01:10:22.310 school uniforms. Remember I told you PFAS was 01:10:22.310 --> 01:10:25.850 in school uniforms? Then when they come in at 01:10:25.850 --> 01:10:30.350 age six for their first, you know, grade, they 01:10:30.350 --> 01:10:32.350 will have just had their booster. So then we 01:10:32.350 --> 01:10:35.810 could get their blood and see if the booster, 01:10:35.909 --> 01:10:40.069 you know, antibody levels were lower in the kids 01:10:40.069 --> 01:10:42.430 that had the PFAS uniforms versus the clean uniform. 01:10:42.670 --> 01:10:48.029 Booster for which vaccines? Mumps, pertussis, 01:10:48.029 --> 01:10:52.029 MMP, I think it's called. Okay. Yeah, yeah. And 01:10:52.029 --> 01:10:56.520 so it's lower. It's a lower response if your 01:10:56.520 --> 01:10:59.300 body's being exposed to these chemicals. So you 01:10:59.300 --> 01:11:02.060 would imagine even if you're not, you just lower 01:11:02.060 --> 01:11:04.859 response, period, to all immune function based 01:11:04.859 --> 01:11:08.140 on this. Right, right. What is these things? 01:11:08.560 --> 01:11:10.180 Lufamids. Oh, the lufamids. So you can use them 01:11:10.180 --> 01:11:13.060 to scrub your sink or your face. Yeah, or use 01:11:13.060 --> 01:11:15.000 them in the shower. Yeah, or in the shower. But 01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:16.319 you should use those for your food too. But the 01:11:16.319 --> 01:11:19.699 sponges that most people use have a lot of chemicals 01:11:19.699 --> 01:11:22.939 in them. Of course. Makes sense. So these are 01:11:22.939 --> 01:11:25.180 better. Yeah, they're plastic sponges. And you 01:11:25.180 --> 01:11:26.979 get them in hot water and you're scrubbing things. 01:11:27.199 --> 01:11:29.539 And some of the stuff probably gets in your plates 01:11:29.539 --> 01:11:33.039 and your food and your cooking ware. Yeah, so 01:11:33.039 --> 01:11:34.939 that's good. All right, what else we got here? 01:11:37.119 --> 01:11:40.340 Beeswrap. That's really nice stuff. What is this 01:11:40.340 --> 01:11:44.359 stuff? Actually, you can treat – this is some 01:11:44.359 --> 01:11:47.060 kind of paper that's been treated. With beeswax. 01:11:47.239 --> 01:11:50.380 So nothing dirty there. And take it out. You'll 01:11:50.380 --> 01:11:56.840 see how nice it is. I love this stuff. I have 01:11:56.840 --> 01:12:00.760 a lot of it. So you feel the wax. That's the 01:12:00.760 --> 01:12:04.800 wax. Oh, okay. So you use that to wrap your food 01:12:04.800 --> 01:12:09.300 with. Yeah. And it seals on itself. And you just 01:12:09.300 --> 01:12:12.220 rinse it out afterwards. So you don't have to 01:12:12.220 --> 01:12:14.909 use saran wrap and, you know, all these. It does 01:12:14.909 --> 01:12:18.010 seal on itself. It seems like a form fits around 01:12:18.010 --> 01:12:21.189 things. You can put it on an egg or tomato or 01:12:21.189 --> 01:12:22.489 anything you want. Well, with my friend Phillip, 01:12:22.670 --> 01:12:25.250 I guarantee he eats a lot of sushi. He runs a 01:12:25.250 --> 01:12:27.130 sushi place. And if you ever go to a sushi place, 01:12:27.350 --> 01:12:29.970 all the fish is wrapped in plastic. Yeah. They're 01:12:29.970 --> 01:12:32.569 always wrapped in plastic and then they cut it 01:12:32.569 --> 01:12:34.750 open. And so there's exposure to all this stuff. 01:12:34.930 --> 01:12:37.590 You should use this stuff. Yeah. Probably has 01:12:37.590 --> 01:12:40.270 the same level of sealing as plastic does. Might 01:12:40.270 --> 01:12:43.310 be more expensive though. Yeah. What's your health 01:12:43.310 --> 01:12:46.310 worth? Right. But it's also reusable, which plastic 01:12:46.310 --> 01:12:48.390 isn't. Oh, absolutely. Just wash it. That's the 01:12:48.390 --> 01:12:51.010 thing. It's probably economical in the long run 01:12:51.010 --> 01:12:54.729 because plastic wrap you don't reuse unless you're 01:12:54.729 --> 01:12:58.310 a psycho. And it gets all over the world. Right. 01:12:58.489 --> 01:13:02.470 Everywhere. I'm sure you've seen the Pacific 01:13:02.470 --> 01:13:07.449 Garbage Patch, which is crazy, right? These are 01:13:07.449 --> 01:13:12.590 bags, and these bags are called Wowie. w -o -w 01:13:12.590 --> 01:13:16.770 -e right and what is this it's another food storage 01:13:16.770 --> 01:13:21.390 you know choice option paper or no no it's um 01:13:21.390 --> 01:13:25.529 cloth cloth but clean cloth yeah and she used 01:13:25.529 --> 01:13:28.569 this like for bread it's really good bread cookies 01:13:28.569 --> 01:13:31.149 you know stuff like that okay yeah we use those 01:13:31.149 --> 01:13:36.069 here and so is this all all these different products 01:13:36.069 --> 01:13:39.340 listed on your website so people can They're 01:13:39.340 --> 01:13:42.079 listed on the Million Marker. There's a card 01:13:42.079 --> 01:13:46.199 there to scan the QR code, and you can go to 01:13:46.199 --> 01:13:50.079 that. But it would be nice if it was like a one 01:13:50.079 --> 01:13:52.279 -stop. So if you scan the QR code, is there a 01:13:52.279 --> 01:13:54.300 one -stop shop? People listening to this right 01:13:54.300 --> 01:13:57.680 now, can we send them to a website? What website 01:13:57.680 --> 01:14:00.300 would that be? I don't know. Look at the card. 01:14:03.199 --> 01:14:07.380 This one? Tips for a detox journey? So this is 01:14:07.380 --> 01:14:09.739 the QR. So if I scan this right now, it'll take 01:14:09.739 --> 01:14:15.439 me there. Yeah. That's my phone. This world that 01:14:15.439 --> 01:14:22.619 we live in. We're not ready. Okay. It says the 01:14:22.619 --> 01:14:29.319 website is millionmarker .com. Chemical glossary. 01:14:29.920 --> 01:14:32.560 So this is the chemical glossary that's on this 01:14:32.560 --> 01:14:35.930 card. But it doesn't. Not the products, right? 01:14:36.029 --> 01:14:39.409 It doesn't say the products. It says partners. 01:14:39.590 --> 01:14:42.289 So there's products on that other website I told 01:14:42.289 --> 01:14:46.750 you on Plastic Your Life. On PlasticYourLife 01:14:46.750 --> 01:14:49.909 .com. So that's a place where people can go and 01:14:49.909 --> 01:14:52.010 see these products. Here it is. So there's three 01:14:52.010 --> 01:14:56.310 steps. On PlasticYourLife .com, Action Hub. Protect 01:14:56.310 --> 01:14:58.250 yourself. And then it can tell you how to protect 01:14:58.250 --> 01:15:00.829 yourself against various things in different 01:15:00.829 --> 01:15:03.170 rooms. I have it by rooms, I think. What is this 01:15:03.170 --> 01:15:06.310 one, Jamie? This is the same website. I just 01:15:06.310 --> 01:15:08.189 already went to the Action Hub. Oh, so when you 01:15:08.189 --> 01:15:11.130 go to unplasticyourlife .com, it takes you to 01:15:11.130 --> 01:15:14.329 OSP Society. And then go to the Action Hub. Yeah, 01:15:14.449 --> 01:15:16.909 it redirects to this website. Got it. And then 01:15:16.909 --> 01:15:20.310 go to the Action Hub, protect your family. And 01:15:20.310 --> 01:15:22.569 then are the products listed down there? Okay, 01:15:22.670 --> 01:15:27.840 yeah. There it is. Okay. Single. Okay. Non -plastic 01:15:27.840 --> 01:15:34.699 bags. Steel cookware. Got it. Replace the plastic 01:15:34.699 --> 01:15:38.079 cutting boards with wood. So I think some people 01:15:38.079 --> 01:15:40.640 use titanium, which is fine too, right? And then 01:15:40.640 --> 01:15:44.859 what's above that? Steel single -use drinking 01:15:44.859 --> 01:15:48.100 water containers. Never use plastics to store 01:15:48.100 --> 01:15:52.949 your food in. Never heat plastics. Save your 01:15:52.949 --> 01:15:54.949 skin by selecting personal care products with 01:15:54.949 --> 01:15:57.970 natural ingredients such in glass or tin packaging. 01:15:59.430 --> 01:16:06.149 Boy. So disturbing. Washing your clothes. Yeah. 01:16:07.949 --> 01:16:10.930 By the way, we didn't talk about smell. Smell. 01:16:11.050 --> 01:16:13.869 But everything that's fragranced has phthalates. 01:16:14.090 --> 01:16:17.569 Of course. And, you know, like you think you're 01:16:17.569 --> 01:16:21.550 doing good if you hang that little pine. tree 01:16:21.550 --> 01:16:26.170 in your car not good not good and and you plug 01:16:26.170 --> 01:16:29.329 in things in the wall that supposed to clean 01:16:29.329 --> 01:16:32.149 up your air and you know refresh your air and 01:16:32.149 --> 01:16:34.689 so on not good there's ones that are in cars 01:16:34.689 --> 01:16:37.729 now like certain cars i think mercedes has one 01:16:37.729 --> 01:16:42.050 where you refill it and you can it actually will 01:16:42.050 --> 01:16:46.890 spray air freshener through the vents does mercedes 01:16:46.890 --> 01:16:50.470 do that I think it's Mercedes, which makes sense. 01:16:50.850 --> 01:16:53.430 Luxury. I want to smell like lavender as I'm 01:16:53.430 --> 01:16:57.550 driving. Oh, look at me in my luxurious car smelling 01:16:57.550 --> 01:17:00.949 lavender, dying of chemical exposure. We asked 01:17:00.949 --> 01:17:05.430 women on our study, we said, what do you use? 01:17:05.689 --> 01:17:08.850 And then we said, was it fragranced? And anything 01:17:08.850 --> 01:17:11.369 where they said it was fragranced, their body 01:17:11.369 --> 01:17:15.010 burden of phthalates was higher. Of course. What 01:17:15.010 --> 01:17:19.020 about natural deodorants? I don't know. Yeah, 01:17:19.020 --> 01:17:22.100 because I use natural deodorant to try to avoid 01:17:22.100 --> 01:17:25.300 a lot of that stuff. On the product for it on 01:17:25.300 --> 01:17:27.460 the website, it says it's a miscellaneous dangerous 01:17:27.460 --> 01:17:29.659 good, I think. What? I don't know what that is. 01:17:30.020 --> 01:17:33.260 What? It says miscellaneous dangerous goods. 01:17:33.560 --> 01:17:34.859 Maybe it's when they ship it or something. What 01:17:34.859 --> 01:17:36.760 are you looking at? The interior of the vehicle 01:17:36.760 --> 01:17:39.539 will be fragranced. It says it right there. This 01:17:39.539 --> 01:17:43.100 is under Mercedes, under their smell. Aroma system, 01:17:43.359 --> 01:17:47.020 Pacific mood. Ooh, I want a Pacific mood. I'm 01:17:47.020 --> 01:17:50.590 living on the coast. Fabulous. And it says miscellaneous 01:17:50.590 --> 01:17:53.510 dangerous goods, other dangerous substances. 01:17:53.850 --> 01:17:57.630 That's crazy that it's labeled that way. The 01:17:57.630 --> 01:17:59.710 interior of the vehicle can be fragranced to 01:17:59.710 --> 01:18:02.250 suit your own individual preference with the 01:18:02.250 --> 01:18:07.170 air balance package. Flak on Pacific mood, lemon 01:18:07.170 --> 01:18:10.710 and orange top notes accompanied by a blend of 01:18:10.710 --> 01:18:17.090 spices. Ah. But meanwhile, it's probably not 01:18:17.090 --> 01:18:20.100 good for you. So what is in there? They're engineered 01:18:20.100 --> 01:18:23.220 specifically. They're also subject to rigorous 01:18:23.220 --> 01:18:25.560 testing, which means each part comes fully certified. 01:18:25.579 --> 01:18:27.300 In the end, you can be sure that your vehicle 01:18:27.300 --> 01:18:30.119 will perform up to its potential, mile after 01:18:30.119 --> 01:18:31.579 mile. Let's see what this word meant. I don't 01:18:31.579 --> 01:18:34.880 know if you want to try this. Whoa. Can you say 01:18:34.880 --> 01:18:42.369 that word, doctor? Oh, no. Give far good. I'm 01:18:42.369 --> 01:18:44.289 guessing it means miscellaneous dangerous goods. 01:18:44.630 --> 01:18:49.609 Why am I not? They're calling it dangerous? That 01:18:49.609 --> 01:18:51.850 sounds really crazy. Miscellaneous dangerous 01:18:51.850 --> 01:18:56.729 goods. Hazard warnings. This is crazy. But why 01:18:56.729 --> 01:18:59.850 would they say that and then you're spraying 01:18:59.850 --> 01:19:01.710 it and you're breathing it in? It could be very 01:19:01.710 --> 01:19:03.350 well one of those California rules where they 01:19:03.350 --> 01:19:05.880 say this building has got... dangerous chemicals 01:19:05.880 --> 01:19:08.039 that could cause cancer in people and it has 01:19:08.039 --> 01:19:11.220 to be on everything. But it's just weird that 01:19:11.220 --> 01:19:13.560 that's in the actual stuff that you breathe in 01:19:13.560 --> 01:19:16.340 and smell. I've heard another thing that's really 01:19:16.340 --> 01:19:22.000 bad for you is incense. Probably varies with 01:19:22.000 --> 01:19:26.520 what's in it. I wouldn't blanket all incense. 01:19:26.840 --> 01:19:29.880 I haven't studied that. Let's put that into perplexity. 01:19:30.199 --> 01:19:34.350 Because I know candles are bad for you. Scented 01:19:34.350 --> 01:19:36.869 candles in particular. Scented, yes. Yes, there's 01:19:36.869 --> 01:19:40.229 their aroma again. Yeah. See, one of the things 01:19:40.229 --> 01:19:42.510 that phthalates do is they cause something to 01:19:42.510 --> 01:19:46.350 hold scent, retain scent. So they're put into 01:19:46.350 --> 01:19:48.409 perfume and they're put into makeup and they're 01:19:48.409 --> 01:19:50.689 put into, you know, the things you put on your 01:19:50.689 --> 01:19:55.729 wall. You know, you want something to smell for 01:19:55.729 --> 01:19:57.609 a long time. You're going to use phthalates. 01:19:57.710 --> 01:20:00.609 It says burning incense products, smoke and chemicals 01:20:00.609 --> 01:20:03.470 that can irritate your lungs, worsen asthma and 01:20:03.470 --> 01:20:06.170 allergies, and with heavy long -term use in poorly 01:20:06.170 --> 01:20:09.350 ventilated spaces, may increase risks for heart 01:20:09.350 --> 01:20:14.409 disease and some cancers. You know, you think 01:20:14.409 --> 01:20:16.289 incense, you go over to someone's house, they 01:20:16.289 --> 01:20:19.890 do yoga, they eat vegan, they burn incense, they 01:20:19.890 --> 01:20:23.170 must be healthy. Right. Long -term health risks. 01:20:23.270 --> 01:20:25.590 Repeated long -term exposure daily for years. 01:20:25.689 --> 01:20:28.069 Been associated in studies with increased risk 01:20:28.069 --> 01:20:31.470 of bronchitis, reduced lung function in children, 01:20:31.729 --> 01:20:34.869 and chronic respiratory symptoms in workers heavily 01:20:34.869 --> 01:20:39.109 exposed to temple incense. God. Epidemiological 01:20:39.109 --> 01:20:41.789 studies, mostly in Asian populations with heavy 01:20:41.789 --> 01:20:44.710 daily use, have linked long -term incense exposure 01:20:44.710 --> 01:20:48.270 to higher rates of cardiovascular problems. Hypertension, 01:20:48.430 --> 01:20:52.609 coronary artery disease, stroke, chronic limb. 01:20:52.810 --> 01:20:55.369 What's that word? Ischemia. Ischemia. What's 01:20:55.369 --> 01:20:58.869 that mean? What does ischemia mean? It can't 01:20:58.869 --> 01:21:02.930 be good. It sounds terrible. What is ischemia? 01:21:05.149 --> 01:21:13.210 What is ischemia? Lack of blood flow to part 01:21:13.210 --> 01:21:15.729 of a body, usually because of an artery, is narrowed 01:21:15.729 --> 01:21:19.239 or blocked. Severe or prolonged, the affected 01:21:19.239 --> 01:21:23.380 tissue can be damaged or die. Oh, great. Oh, 01:21:23.479 --> 01:21:28.840 wonderful. So you think about incense, you think 01:21:28.840 --> 01:21:31.800 like healthy, natural people. Oh, they burn incense. 01:21:31.920 --> 01:21:33.800 It sounds lovely. It sounds like they're spiritual. 01:21:34.300 --> 01:21:37.319 Oh, incense. I used to love incense. I used to 01:21:37.319 --> 01:21:40.359 use it all the time. Thought it was cool. Made 01:21:40.359 --> 01:21:43.779 you like, you know, be more peaceful. Incense. 01:21:44.340 --> 01:21:47.779 Bad for you. Everything's bad for you. You know 01:21:47.779 --> 01:21:50.180 what's bad for you? These straws, if you trip 01:21:50.180 --> 01:21:52.020 with them. You know, a lot of people have died. 01:21:52.239 --> 01:21:54.819 These are metal straws. Really? They've died 01:21:54.819 --> 01:21:56.000 because they're on their phone and they're not 01:21:56.000 --> 01:21:57.899 paying attention. They stub their toe and fall 01:21:57.899 --> 01:21:59.479 and this thing goes through their eyeball and 01:21:59.479 --> 01:22:03.859 they die. Oh, shoot. Yeah. Okay. I won't recommend 01:22:03.859 --> 01:22:07.960 that. But also, you could die just falling. I 01:22:07.960 --> 01:22:10.539 mean, if you're falling and you're holding a 01:22:10.539 --> 01:22:13.199 steel straw, throw it to the side. That's my 01:22:13.199 --> 01:22:16.520 advice. So if you want to... Do this little experiment 01:22:16.520 --> 01:22:18.920 of one that we're talking about. Okay. And of 01:22:18.920 --> 01:22:21.260 one, unless Jamie wants to do it too. Jamie's 01:22:21.260 --> 01:22:28.460 in. Look at him. He's down. Then Jenna or somebody 01:22:28.460 --> 01:22:31.279 on our team, if you had an hour, half an hour, 01:22:31.319 --> 01:22:33.300 I don't know how long it took, call you and say, 01:22:33.399 --> 01:22:36.199 ask you, what did you use? What did you use? 01:22:36.220 --> 01:22:37.699 What did you use for this, this, this, this? 01:22:37.819 --> 01:22:42.039 Right. And then they'll recommend what to change. 01:22:42.239 --> 01:22:46.039 Right. I recently underwent, This plasmapheresis 01:22:46.039 --> 01:22:49.560 thing. Yeah. And that's supposed to remove a 01:22:49.560 --> 01:22:52.760 lot of that stuff from your blood, correct? I'll 01:22:52.760 --> 01:22:56.119 tell you what. The next day, I was very tired 01:22:56.119 --> 01:22:59.140 that day, like exhausted that day. But the next 01:22:59.140 --> 01:23:02.000 day afterwards, I felt like lighter. I felt like, 01:23:02.020 --> 01:23:04.840 whoa, this is crazy. I felt like I had more energy. 01:23:04.979 --> 01:23:06.939 It was like kind of late at night. I was like, 01:23:06.960 --> 01:23:09.279 I'm not tired at all. This is weird. Like I felt 01:23:09.279 --> 01:23:12.060 different, you know? So that would be great. 01:23:12.220 --> 01:23:15.979 Are you going to do it again? No, I just did 01:23:15.979 --> 01:23:18.020 it. I mean, I would do it again, but I just did 01:23:18.020 --> 01:23:20.039 it a few days ago. I was just wondering, you 01:23:20.039 --> 01:23:22.880 know, if you measured chemicals in your urine 01:23:22.880 --> 01:23:25.100 before you did that. I should have done that. 01:23:25.239 --> 01:23:26.920 And then after that. I don't have any pee laying 01:23:26.920 --> 01:23:33.159 around from before. No. But I could do it now 01:23:33.159 --> 01:23:36.960 and maybe I have very low levels and we could 01:23:36.960 --> 01:23:40.130 attribute that to it. I haven't done the best 01:23:40.130 --> 01:23:42.770 job. Like I said, I did get rid of my plastic 01:23:42.770 --> 01:23:45.909 coffee machine at home. I did that about three 01:23:45.909 --> 01:23:48.010 or four weeks ago. One of the things it's done 01:23:48.010 --> 01:23:52.470 is it's made my morning coffee a lot harder to 01:23:52.470 --> 01:23:56.140 get. It's more of like a ritual now because I 01:23:56.140 --> 01:24:00.939 use a steel water boiler thing that heats it 01:24:00.939 --> 01:24:04.340 up to 200 degrees. And then I have a steel French 01:24:04.340 --> 01:24:07.979 press and I grind the beans in a steel thing. 01:24:08.100 --> 01:24:10.720 Right. And then I pour the beans in the French 01:24:10.720 --> 01:24:14.119 press and it takes 15 minutes rather than 30 01:24:14.119 --> 01:24:17.420 seconds. It tastes way better. Well, I'm a big 01:24:17.420 --> 01:24:19.520 coffee drinker. I love coffee, but I like it 01:24:19.520 --> 01:24:22.000 black. I love the flavor of coffee. Yeah, me 01:24:22.000 --> 01:24:25.939 too. I really do. And so it just tastes better. 01:24:26.680 --> 01:24:28.560 French press, I think, is the best way to drink 01:24:28.560 --> 01:24:32.220 coffee anyway. And so I kind of decided, I'm 01:24:32.220 --> 01:24:34.359 avoiding all these microplastics. I don't drink 01:24:34.359 --> 01:24:36.579 out of plastic or paper cups. I do all these 01:24:36.579 --> 01:24:38.319 different things. Why am I still using a plastic 01:24:38.319 --> 01:24:40.600 coffee machine? I look at that thing every morning, 01:24:40.659 --> 01:24:41.760 and I was like, yeah, but it's going to give 01:24:41.760 --> 01:24:44.819 me coffee right now. So I press the button to 01:24:44.819 --> 01:24:46.600 get my coffee right now. Then I was like, that's 01:24:46.600 --> 01:24:49.640 stupid. So now I just – I only use something 01:24:49.640 --> 01:24:53.760 like this. Yeah. So I'd be interested to see 01:24:53.760 --> 01:24:57.100 if maybe I have low levels because I certainly 01:24:57.100 --> 01:25:01.279 feel like my body – it felt refreshed, like I 01:25:01.279 --> 01:25:04.899 had less inflammation. But that's like a two 01:25:04.899 --> 01:25:07.619 -hour procedure. It's a pain in the butt. You've 01:25:07.619 --> 01:25:09.640 got to sit there for two hours. You look like 01:25:09.640 --> 01:25:13.899 a psycho. I should have taken a photo of what 01:25:13.899 --> 01:25:16.680 I looked like while I was doing it because I 01:25:16.680 --> 01:25:18.960 was laying there and I had like cords in this 01:25:18.960 --> 01:25:22.500 arm and cords in that arm. So I had blood coming 01:25:22.500 --> 01:25:24.460 out of that arm and going back into that arm. 01:25:24.479 --> 01:25:28.100 It was really kind of nutty. How expensive? I 01:25:28.100 --> 01:25:32.340 don't know. Oh. Yeah. I don't know. I'm sure 01:25:32.340 --> 01:25:36.800 it's not cheap. Yeah. The benefits of it in terms 01:25:36.800 --> 01:25:38.100 of like the people that I know that have done 01:25:38.100 --> 01:25:39.920 it said it's a game -changer in terms of your 01:25:39.920 --> 01:25:43.279 recovery Market recovery levels much better sleep 01:25:43.279 --> 01:25:45.939 Like if you're wearing an aura ring or a whoop 01:25:45.939 --> 01:25:47.579 strap or something along those lines you get 01:25:47.579 --> 01:25:50.699 much better recovery And I think that's probably 01:25:50.699 --> 01:25:54.600 the case with me. I feel pretty good But I do 01:25:54.600 --> 01:25:57.239 a lot of stuff. I do a lot of things to maximize 01:25:57.239 --> 01:25:59.439 my health. So it's really kind of difficult to 01:25:59.439 --> 01:26:02.760 know what's doing what. I just know all in all. 01:26:02.840 --> 01:26:05.920 We always say in my field, do one thing at a 01:26:05.920 --> 01:26:08.319 time. Right. Of course. If you're doing science. 01:26:08.619 --> 01:26:11.899 Yeah. I'm not doing science. I'm doing chaos. 01:26:13.720 --> 01:26:18.060 Well, you're doing experiment of one. Yeah. But 01:26:18.060 --> 01:26:20.979 it works. All of it together is definitely working. 01:26:21.079 --> 01:26:23.800 My body is pretty good. So, you know, you were 01:26:23.800 --> 01:26:26.800 mentioning how it's going to be very hard to 01:26:26.800 --> 01:26:28.439 get these things regulated. And I just wanted 01:26:28.439 --> 01:26:31.619 to point out, we probably talked about this last 01:26:31.619 --> 01:26:36.399 time, but, you know, where do these chemicals 01:26:36.399 --> 01:26:40.920 come from, these plasticizers? And you probably 01:26:40.920 --> 01:26:44.420 know they're made from fossil fuel byproducts, 01:26:44.420 --> 01:26:52.989 yes? Yeah. against eliminating them are not only 01:26:52.989 --> 01:26:55.189 the manufacturers of the plastic, but it's also 01:26:55.189 --> 01:26:58.369 the fossil fuel industry. So that makes it extremely 01:26:58.369 --> 01:27:03.229 difficult. Right. Yeah. And it's probably one 01:27:03.229 --> 01:27:05.310 of the primary factors in why this isn't discussed, 01:27:05.529 --> 01:27:08.810 because it would reduce fossil fuel consumption, 01:27:09.130 --> 01:27:11.750 which would affect oil markets, which would affect 01:27:11.750 --> 01:27:16.270 the economy. It's big. It's big. Yeah. But, I 01:27:16.270 --> 01:27:18.529 mean, the rate at which plastic... Production 01:27:18.529 --> 01:27:23.850 is increasing. It's astounding. Yes. And no end 01:27:23.850 --> 01:27:26.189 in sight. Well, I don't think you're going to 01:27:26.189 --> 01:27:28.739 get the government. to act about this stuff. 01:27:28.920 --> 01:27:31.279 I think this has to be done on an individual 01:27:31.279 --> 01:27:34.300 level where people are aware of it and take steps 01:27:34.300 --> 01:27:37.279 to protect themselves and their family from these 01:27:37.279 --> 01:27:40.859 issues. That's my cynical view of how this is 01:27:40.859 --> 01:27:44.479 going to be played out. And I'm really hoping, 01:27:44.579 --> 01:27:46.600 I know for a fact a lot of people listened to 01:27:46.600 --> 01:27:48.779 our last conversation and made some lifestyle 01:27:48.779 --> 01:27:51.840 changes. I'm really hoping that now, with this 01:27:51.840 --> 01:27:54.460 follow -up visit, More and more people will be 01:27:54.460 --> 01:27:56.159 aware of it. And watching the movie. Yes, and 01:27:56.159 --> 01:27:57.859 watching the movie. And the movie's called, what's 01:27:57.859 --> 01:28:01.760 it called again? The Plastic Detox. The Plastic 01:28:01.760 --> 01:28:04.659 Detox. And where is this movie available? In 01:28:04.659 --> 01:28:08.279 your house. Right, but is it available on Amazon, 01:28:08.699 --> 01:28:11.260 Netflix? It's Netflix. Okay, watch on Netflix. 01:28:11.260 --> 01:28:13.619 Netflix is great. There's so many great documentaries 01:28:13.619 --> 01:28:16.939 on Netflix. The Hidden Dangers of Plastics in 01:28:16.939 --> 01:28:20.539 Our Homes. Six Couples Embark on a Plastic Detox. 01:28:21.529 --> 01:28:23.390 Within their homes, it changes their families 01:28:23.390 --> 01:28:26.029 forever. The Plastic Detox explains what microplastics 01:28:26.029 --> 01:28:28.050 and their chemicals are doing to our health and 01:28:28.050 --> 01:28:30.050 how we can take matters into our own hands. From 01:28:30.050 --> 01:28:32.550 hormone disruption that's fueling a worldwide 01:28:32.550 --> 01:28:35.550 fertility crisis to growing rates of cancer and 01:28:35.550 --> 01:28:37.750 early heart attack and stroke, this powerful 01:28:37.750 --> 01:28:40.369 documentary reveals the shocking science behind 01:28:40.369 --> 01:28:43.609 plastics' impact on human life. Do you want to 01:28:43.609 --> 01:28:45.449 see a little trailer? Sure. Let's watch a little 01:28:45.449 --> 01:28:47.310 trailer. Put your headphones on. Well, you already 01:28:47.310 --> 01:28:51.909 know what it says. I'll listen. chemicals even 01:28:51.909 --> 01:28:55.229 the smallest levels of exposure can have profound 01:28:55.229 --> 01:29:00.710 effects fertility worldwide is going there you 01:29:00.710 --> 01:29:04.170 are and it is tightly linked to chemicals that 01:29:04.170 --> 01:29:07.630 are commonly used in plastic you have been trying 01:29:07.630 --> 01:29:10.289 to get pregnant for over 10 years now 22 months 01:29:10.289 --> 01:29:13.510 two and a half years say what you always call 01:29:13.510 --> 01:29:16.829 yourself ah i say you know julie i'm not a human 01:29:16.829 --> 01:29:21.470 dildo This is a three -month intervention where 01:29:21.470 --> 01:29:24.989 we recruited six couples who have unexplained 01:29:24.989 --> 01:29:29.109 infertility. We look at measures of semen quality. 01:29:29.409 --> 01:29:32.890 The cutoff for fertile is about 40. You're technically 01:29:32.890 --> 01:29:35.810 subfertile, infertile, so that's kind of scary, 01:29:35.930 --> 01:29:43.140 right? Yes. The question is, if we lower people's 01:29:43.140 --> 01:29:46.659 exposure to chemicals that are in plastic, can 01:29:46.659 --> 01:29:50.300 we change their fertility? These chemicals not 01:29:50.300 --> 01:29:53.600 only affect your fertility, they also have other 01:29:53.600 --> 01:29:56.760 health consequences. These chemicals can contribute 01:29:56.760 --> 01:30:00.159 to early heart attacks and stroke, autism, as 01:30:00.159 --> 01:30:03.500 well as obesogens. Learning more about plastics, 01:30:03.720 --> 01:30:06.720 it's opening my eyes to how much bigger it is. 01:30:07.760 --> 01:30:10.079 Many people think the government takes care of 01:30:10.079 --> 01:30:13.199 us, but very few chemicals are actually banned 01:30:13.199 --> 01:30:16.899 from personal care products, and over 1 ,100 01:30:16.899 --> 01:30:22.159 are banned in the EU. To have a child, I believe 01:30:22.159 --> 01:30:25.239 it is a fundamental human right. I think you'd 01:30:25.239 --> 01:30:27.260 be the best mom ever, and I really want to see 01:30:27.260 --> 01:30:31.550 that for you. Plastic doesn't have to come from 01:30:31.550 --> 01:30:34.550 a toxic petroleum -based material. We can learn 01:30:34.550 --> 01:30:37.689 to do it other ways. It can change, and you can 01:30:37.689 --> 01:30:42.430 help with the change. That's another good point 01:30:42.430 --> 01:30:44.550 that he just said right there, that plastic doesn't 01:30:44.550 --> 01:30:47.069 have to come from petroleum -based materials. 01:30:47.329 --> 01:30:49.729 And most people aren't aware of that, but you 01:30:49.729 --> 01:30:53.069 can make plastic out of plant compounds, and 01:30:53.069 --> 01:30:56.170 it's biodegradable, which is like they make a 01:30:56.170 --> 01:31:00.880 hemp plastic. and potatoes yeah potatoes yeah 01:31:00.880 --> 01:31:02.939 and probably a bunch of other stuff too right 01:31:02.939 --> 01:31:05.640 that you can make plastic out of that doesn't 01:31:05.640 --> 01:31:09.039 have these effects right It would be really nice 01:31:09.039 --> 01:31:11.039 if we moved in that direction, wouldn't it? Absolutely. 01:31:11.239 --> 01:31:14.399 Absolutely. The plant -based plastics have the 01:31:14.399 --> 01:31:17.600 cost of raising the plants, of course. There's 01:31:17.600 --> 01:31:20.100 that added cost. Right. But does that even compare 01:31:20.100 --> 01:31:22.319 to the cost of pulling oil out of the ground 01:31:22.319 --> 01:31:25.479 and refining it and then turning it into plastic 01:31:25.479 --> 01:31:29.460 through some horrific process that turns the 01:31:29.460 --> 01:31:32.500 rivers blue or whatever it does? God knows what 01:31:32.500 --> 01:31:34.739 color it turns us into. Right. Just kidding. 01:31:36.060 --> 01:31:40.880 Is there a list of garments that people shouldn't 01:31:40.880 --> 01:31:43.720 wear? Are you aware of that, the plastic leeching 01:31:43.720 --> 01:31:46.539 garments? Well, the only specific ones I know 01:31:46.539 --> 01:31:50.380 are, because people have told me about them, 01:31:50.439 --> 01:31:54.359 are the sports uniforms, team uniforms. Because 01:31:54.359 --> 01:31:56.859 they have a coating on them. Yeah. Is it to make 01:31:56.859 --> 01:31:59.579 them more durable is the idea? And probably this 01:31:59.579 --> 01:32:02.460 book to die for will have more information. And 01:32:02.460 --> 01:32:05.890 I have it and I read it. I'm just so busy, you 01:32:05.890 --> 01:32:08.909 know, with this right now. But I'm going to read 01:32:08.909 --> 01:32:15.069 it. And then sports uniforms, kids uniforms, 01:32:15.609 --> 01:32:20.250 airline personnel uniforms. I think uniforms. 01:32:21.069 --> 01:32:23.630 Firefighters. Firefighters are big, big exposure 01:32:23.630 --> 01:32:26.130 to these chemicals, too. Right. Yeah. Because 01:32:26.130 --> 01:32:28.630 they wear those waterproof. Yeah. Anything with 01:32:28.630 --> 01:32:30.310 it. Yeah, that's right. Anything that's waterproof, 01:32:30.630 --> 01:32:33.430 stain -proofed. Just like your Teflon pans, you 01:32:33.430 --> 01:32:38.029 know, barrier. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. But I don't 01:32:38.029 --> 01:32:41.529 know any particular brands. So I'd imagine like 01:32:41.529 --> 01:32:43.970 nylon track suits and all those different things. 01:32:43.989 --> 01:32:46.569 Yeah, yeah. That'd be terrible for you. I mean, 01:32:46.569 --> 01:32:49.130 customers could look for, when they buy these 01:32:49.130 --> 01:32:52.630 things, they could look for PFAS -free. Just 01:32:52.630 --> 01:32:55.430 like now people know to look for... BPA -free 01:32:55.430 --> 01:32:57.829 or, you know, if they could look at PFAS -free, 01:32:57.909 --> 01:33:00.149 then they would be avoiding a lot of this. So 01:33:00.149 --> 01:33:01.750 go back to the top, please. It says the worst 01:33:01.750 --> 01:33:04.149 offenders are synthetic plastic -heavy garments 01:33:04.149 --> 01:33:07.069 that are fuzzy, coated, or very tight to the 01:33:07.069 --> 01:33:10.989 skin, especially polyester fleece, recycled polyester 01:33:10.989 --> 01:33:15.149 fast fashion, and PFAS -coated water, stain repellent, 01:33:15.149 --> 01:33:18.149 outerwear, and activewear. Polyester fleece jackets, 01:33:18.470 --> 01:33:21.470 blankets, loungewear, extremely high microfiber 01:33:21.470 --> 01:33:24.029 shedding. One study found that polyester fleece 01:33:24.029 --> 01:33:27.229 shedding orders of magnitude more fibers per 01:33:27.229 --> 01:33:29.510 wash than other knits, which estimates around 01:33:29.510 --> 01:33:33.229 110 ,000 fibers per garment per wash. This is 01:33:33.229 --> 01:33:35.270 both bad for environmental plastic pollution 01:33:35.270 --> 01:33:40.130 and for indoor dust and air. Recycled polyester 01:33:40.130 --> 01:33:44.090 fast fashion like leggings, tees, dresses, and 01:33:44.090 --> 01:33:47.250 sportswear. New testing shows recycled polyester 01:33:47.250 --> 01:33:52.250 garments shed more and finer microfibers than 01:33:52.250 --> 01:33:56.020 virgin polyester. Interesting. So you think recycled. 01:33:56.140 --> 01:33:59.720 Oh, I'm recycling. I'm a good person. No, you're 01:33:59.720 --> 01:34:01.539 killing yourself. Increased particle numbers 01:34:01.539 --> 01:34:04.359 and potential toxicity. These items are often 01:34:04.359 --> 01:34:07.840 cheaply made, shed heavily in washing, and frequently 01:34:07.840 --> 01:34:13.380 use intense dyes and finishes. Hot pink. Tight 01:34:13.380 --> 01:34:16.899 synthetic sportswear and underwear. Yikes. These 01:34:16.899 --> 01:34:19.960 are worn for long periods directly against sweaty 01:34:19.960 --> 01:34:22.819 skin and mucous membranes, increasing opportunity 01:34:22.819 --> 01:34:25.760 for contact with microplastics and additives 01:34:25.760 --> 01:34:29.500 like antimony, phthalates, and PFAS finishes. 01:34:29.819 --> 01:34:32.560 Cheap synthetic performance or wrinkle -free 01:34:32.560 --> 01:34:36.460 fashion. Stain -resistant, easy -care, anti -odor, 01:34:36.579 --> 01:34:39.779 and heavy -print coating garments are more likely 01:34:39.779 --> 01:34:42.899 to use chemical finishes that can off -gas. or 01:34:42.899 --> 01:34:45.560 leach on top of the base synthetic fiber issues. 01:34:46.300 --> 01:34:49.859 Lower concern choices. Okay, not perfect but 01:34:49.859 --> 01:34:52.979 generally less problematic for leaching and microplastic 01:34:52.979 --> 01:34:56.479 shedding. Undyed or lightly dyed natural fibers 01:34:56.479 --> 01:34:59.380 like cotton, linen, wool, hemp, silk without 01:34:59.380 --> 01:35:03.579 stain resistant or wrinkle free finishes. Simple 01:35:03.579 --> 01:35:06.539 weaves, knits rather than fluffy or brushed surfaces 01:35:06.539 --> 01:35:10.560 which shed less. PFAS free rain gear and outdoor 01:35:10.560 --> 01:35:15.729 clothing. Brands now often ask, what rain gear 01:35:15.729 --> 01:35:19.390 is PFAS -free? That's interesting because I've 01:35:19.390 --> 01:35:22.170 always thought that it has to be coded. Right. 01:35:24.409 --> 01:35:27.710 A lot of work, a lot of work. What has been the 01:35:27.710 --> 01:35:31.170 response to your, first of all, you're releasing 01:35:31.170 --> 01:35:33.850 your first book and then coming on podcasts and 01:35:33.850 --> 01:35:37.770 talking about this thing. Has it been surprising 01:35:37.770 --> 01:35:44.430 to you? What has it been like? It has been kind 01:35:44.430 --> 01:35:46.850 of surprising how much interest there is and 01:35:46.850 --> 01:35:50.869 how much people are taking this up. And what's 01:35:50.869 --> 01:35:54.029 great is there are a lot of nonprofits that are 01:35:54.029 --> 01:35:56.869 in the space that are getting out these messages. 01:35:56.949 --> 01:36:00.609 So it's not just me, you know, many, many nonprofits. 01:36:00.909 --> 01:36:06.890 And then there's the, you know, there's the. 01:36:07.819 --> 01:36:10.060 Plastics Treaty, which is worldwide. It didn't 01:36:10.060 --> 01:36:12.380 pass, but hopefully it will come back and maybe 01:36:12.380 --> 01:36:15.479 next time. And then there's the work that the 01:36:15.479 --> 01:36:19.180 EU is doing, which is miles ahead of us. For 01:36:19.180 --> 01:36:22.300 example, I think I might have said this before, 01:36:22.439 --> 01:36:27.819 but just so in Europe, if you're going to put 01:36:27.819 --> 01:36:32.319 a new chemical into commerce, it has to pass 01:36:32.319 --> 01:36:36.640 certain tests to be safe. Right. Not here. Right. 01:36:37.580 --> 01:36:41.500 So the testing is on you and me and everyone 01:36:41.500 --> 01:36:46.439 listening. And, I mean, we haven't really raised 01:36:46.439 --> 01:36:50.180 our hand and volunteered for that. Well, I mean, 01:36:50.239 --> 01:36:52.220 I don't want this to happen, but I think maybe 01:36:52.220 --> 01:36:54.260 what has to happen is these companies have to 01:36:54.260 --> 01:36:58.079 get in trouble. Well, some of them have. There 01:36:58.079 --> 01:37:01.079 are lawsuits. Are there lawsuits against, like, 01:37:01.119 --> 01:37:04.079 outerwear, clothing? I don't know. Yoga pants. 01:37:04.119 --> 01:37:07.380 Because yoga pants are a problem, right? Yoga 01:37:07.380 --> 01:37:11.060 pants. Yes. Those tight nylon things that a lot 01:37:11.060 --> 01:37:14.159 of the gals wear. I don't know where the lawsuits 01:37:14.159 --> 01:37:17.600 are. I might at some point get involved in that. 01:37:17.739 --> 01:37:19.760 But at this point, I don't know. But I know there 01:37:19.760 --> 01:37:23.439 are lawsuits and that they can be effective way 01:37:23.439 --> 01:37:26.100 to push back. And by the way, you said we wouldn't 01:37:26.100 --> 01:37:28.890 get a federal law. And I think that's. Not for 01:37:28.890 --> 01:37:31.890 a long time. But states can do it. California, 01:37:32.170 --> 01:37:34.369 for example, is doing lots of good stuff on that. 01:37:34.390 --> 01:37:36.609 What are they doing about it? I can't name you 01:37:36.609 --> 01:37:43.289 the laws, but I know they're very active. Bonta, 01:37:43.449 --> 01:37:47.630 Ron Bonta, he's a district attorney, attorney 01:37:47.630 --> 01:37:49.789 general of the state of California. He's very 01:37:49.789 --> 01:37:52.710 active. And so the states that have active... 01:37:52.989 --> 01:37:55.829 you know, push back, able to get laws passed, 01:37:56.109 --> 01:38:00.770 that kind of sets the tone for, you know, for 01:38:00.770 --> 01:38:04.109 what's possible. But I don't see us getting federal 01:38:04.109 --> 01:38:07.760 pushback very soon. No, it seems like industry 01:38:07.760 --> 01:38:11.460 controls the federal government more than the 01:38:11.460 --> 01:38:14.960 health and safety concerns of the people, which 01:38:14.960 --> 01:38:18.739 is very disturbing, but not too surprising when 01:38:18.739 --> 01:38:20.619 you consider a lot of the other things that are 01:38:20.619 --> 01:38:22.520 allowed in this country that aren't allowed in 01:38:22.520 --> 01:38:24.720 other countries. Like when you show that list 01:38:24.720 --> 01:38:27.680 of the chemicals that are illegal in the EU, 01:38:27.859 --> 01:38:29.760 that are illegal in America, that's disturbing. 01:38:30.570 --> 01:38:32.810 Like we're supposed to be number one. We're number 01:38:32.810 --> 01:38:36.170 one. We're number one in chemicals. Number one 01:38:36.170 --> 01:38:41.069 in chemicals. Probably. Probably. The response 01:38:41.069 --> 01:38:43.649 when you were on this podcast was pretty shocking 01:38:43.649 --> 01:38:46.529 for me. So many people reached out to me. A lot 01:38:46.529 --> 01:38:48.829 of my friends that watched the episode were like, 01:38:48.869 --> 01:38:51.189 I can't believe this. Oh, I have no idea. It 01:38:51.189 --> 01:38:53.310 was five years ago. But quite a few of my friends 01:38:53.310 --> 01:38:56.170 that, you know, don't reach out with every episode 01:38:56.170 --> 01:38:59.390 reached out and said that. is just nuts. Like, 01:38:59.390 --> 01:39:01.149 I can't believe this. And especially people with 01:39:01.149 --> 01:39:03.310 children and they're concerned about the development 01:39:03.310 --> 01:39:05.029 of their children or people who are pregnant 01:39:05.029 --> 01:39:08.289 who are concerned with the intake of these chemicals 01:39:08.289 --> 01:39:12.510 while they're pregnant, which has a radical effect 01:39:12.510 --> 01:39:16.869 on the child's development. Well, if your friends 01:39:16.869 --> 01:39:19.770 are listening now, I can tell them that it hasn't 01:39:19.770 --> 01:39:23.310 changed much. It hasn't improved much. And we 01:39:23.310 --> 01:39:28.319 have to do a lot more. Well, personally and, 01:39:28.399 --> 01:39:31.600 you know, I hate to say it, but I think like 01:39:31.600 --> 01:39:32.880 I said, I don't think the government's going 01:39:32.880 --> 01:39:35.859 to do anything. I think it's got to be up to 01:39:35.859 --> 01:39:39.119 individuals to make choices. And I'm really hoping 01:39:39.119 --> 01:39:42.680 your documentary has another big impact. One 01:39:42.680 --> 01:39:44.779 of the beautiful things about Netflix is that 01:39:44.779 --> 01:39:49.020 it's. Even though things get promoted on Netflix, 01:39:49.279 --> 01:39:51.520 whenever anything – so many people have Netflix 01:39:51.520 --> 01:39:54.180 that whenever anything is good, a lot of people 01:39:54.180 --> 01:39:56.039 just start sharing it and start talking about 01:39:56.039 --> 01:39:58.460 it and posting about it on social media. And 01:39:58.460 --> 01:40:00.880 then next thing, the conversation starts happening 01:40:00.880 --> 01:40:03.479 and starts raising awareness. And I really do 01:40:03.479 --> 01:40:05.239 hope you're going to go on a bunch of other podcasts 01:40:05.239 --> 01:40:08.920 as well and talk about this. Thank you. And there 01:40:08.920 --> 01:40:13.380 are showings on Netflix. encourages that and 01:40:13.380 --> 01:40:16.199 i'm going actually all over the world talking 01:40:16.199 --> 01:40:19.579 at showings now the schedule is like crazy do 01:40:19.579 --> 01:40:21.359 you ever think like how crazy it is that you're 01:40:21.359 --> 01:40:24.159 this one person that's sounding the alarm because 01:40:24.159 --> 01:40:26.760 you kind of are the most public face of this 01:40:26.760 --> 01:40:31.159 problem That is a little crazy to me, especially 01:40:31.159 --> 01:40:33.279 given where I've come from. What if you didn't 01:40:33.279 --> 01:40:35.680 exist? This is the question. Oh, there are many, 01:40:35.720 --> 01:40:37.539 many people pushing back. Many, many people. 01:40:37.539 --> 01:40:39.079 Right, but I don't know if they're doing it as 01:40:39.079 --> 01:40:41.260 publicly as you are and certainly not – I mean 01:40:41.260 --> 01:40:42.520 they haven't been on this podcast. There are 01:40:42.520 --> 01:40:48.800 many that are. I feel lucky that I've had this 01:40:48.800 --> 01:40:52.479 – like speaking to you and your followers and 01:40:52.479 --> 01:40:58.279 other podcasts. And then having the opportunity 01:40:58.279 --> 01:41:01.000 to have designed this intervention and have worked 01:41:01.000 --> 01:41:03.260 with Louis and others on the film team to put 01:41:03.260 --> 01:41:05.699 this forward, it's a very big thing. And, you 01:41:05.699 --> 01:41:08.439 know, the film costs a lot of money. And we've 01:41:08.439 --> 01:41:11.180 had worldwide support for putting this out. So 01:41:11.180 --> 01:41:13.739 there's a lot of support behind the pushback. 01:41:14.119 --> 01:41:18.060 And we just have to get everybody on board and 01:41:18.060 --> 01:41:19.520 just say, no, I'm not going to use that stuff. 01:41:21.160 --> 01:41:24.260 Yeah, that's really what has to happen. The conversation 01:41:24.260 --> 01:41:27.039 has to increase. The volume has to increase. 01:41:27.399 --> 01:41:30.199 More people have to share it and talk about it 01:41:30.199 --> 01:41:32.800 and more people have to have you on. And, you 01:41:32.800 --> 01:41:35.880 know, we just have to sound the alarm. It's kind 01:41:35.880 --> 01:41:39.039 of crazy that five years later nothing's changed 01:41:39.039 --> 01:41:42.420 because, like I said, it shook up a lot of people 01:41:42.420 --> 01:41:44.859 that I'm friends with. But I didn't hear it from 01:41:44.859 --> 01:41:48.329 any other places. Yeah. I mean, I didn't see 01:41:48.329 --> 01:41:50.510 you on – did you do any other podcasts after 01:41:50.510 --> 01:41:52.369 you did mine? Yeah, I did many. You know Huberman? 01:41:52.590 --> 01:41:55.149 Sure. Very well. I was on his – He's great. Yeah, 01:41:55.170 --> 01:41:59.050 he's great. And there are – I can't remember 01:41:59.050 --> 01:42:01.649 the – yes, a lot of podcasts. But hopefully now 01:42:01.649 --> 01:42:05.149 more. I do have more coming up. My schedule is 01:42:05.149 --> 01:42:06.770 really kind of crazy. One of the things that's 01:42:06.770 --> 01:42:08.949 great is the documentary is easily digestible. 01:42:09.189 --> 01:42:11.529 Yes. It's on Netflix. Everything is on Netflix. 01:42:11.670 --> 01:42:14.390 You sit down. Okay, let's watch. And then you 01:42:14.390 --> 01:42:17.199 go, oh, my God. And then there's all these, you 01:42:17.199 --> 01:42:19.619 know, places to go at the end of it to learn 01:42:19.619 --> 01:42:22.439 more if people want to do that. I would love 01:42:22.439 --> 01:42:28.619 to see it viewed by influencers, not in the typical, 01:42:28.739 --> 01:42:31.600 you know, social media sense, but people like 01:42:31.600 --> 01:42:36.640 religious leaders, you know, leaders who could 01:42:36.640 --> 01:42:39.960 be won over, you know, if you have any ideas, 01:42:40.140 --> 01:42:43.840 you know. But I thought about having, you know. 01:42:44.600 --> 01:42:47.819 The pope? I mean, it sounds really wild. But, 01:42:47.880 --> 01:42:50.439 you know, a lot of people get their – where do 01:42:50.439 --> 01:42:52.680 people get their information? From their religious 01:42:52.680 --> 01:42:56.939 leaders? From their peers? From their doctors? 01:42:57.140 --> 01:42:58.880 By the way, none of this is taught in medical 01:42:58.880 --> 01:43:01.979 school. That's crazy. That's crazy right there. 01:43:02.159 --> 01:43:06.319 Well, neither is nutrition. Right. Yeah. So, 01:43:06.319 --> 01:43:10.579 you know, somebody's got to spend a lot of time 01:43:10.579 --> 01:43:13.590 getting that curriculum changed, right? Actually, 01:43:13.609 --> 01:43:15.710 you have to get the test changed because the 01:43:15.710 --> 01:43:18.489 teaching is to the test. So if we could get this 01:43:18.489 --> 01:43:21.250 stuff on the test, there would be more doctors 01:43:21.250 --> 01:43:23.930 learning this. But they don't get it. They don't 01:43:23.930 --> 01:43:25.850 get it. They learn about lead. That's about all. 01:43:26.470 --> 01:43:28.989 Well, there's not a lot of incentive to teach 01:43:28.989 --> 01:43:30.930 this stuff. That's part of the problems that 01:43:30.930 --> 01:43:34.869 especially these petrochemical companies and 01:43:34.869 --> 01:43:41.119 the use of these things is going to affect. So 01:43:41.119 --> 01:43:43.380 many different industries, because if you cut 01:43:43.380 --> 01:43:46.819 that out and they know, I mean, how much of an 01:43:46.819 --> 01:43:48.359 impact is that going to have on the economy? 01:43:48.739 --> 01:43:52.079 If everybody just stopped using all these chemicals, 01:43:52.260 --> 01:43:55.439 all if all the, you know, Lululemon brands and 01:43:55.439 --> 01:43:57.000 I don't want to single them out, but all these 01:43:57.000 --> 01:43:58.840 different companies, if they all just went under 01:43:58.840 --> 01:44:01.279 tomorrow, it'd be a giant problem if everybody 01:44:01.279 --> 01:44:04.920 just stopped using these things. Maybe for a 01:44:04.920 --> 01:44:07.869 little while. But then they'd be healthier. Well, 01:44:08.090 --> 01:44:10.310 the people would be healthier, but the companies 01:44:10.310 --> 01:44:11.770 would go under. Oh, the companies will not be 01:44:11.770 --> 01:44:14.489 healthier. No. Unless they make the switch. But 01:44:14.489 --> 01:44:16.609 what could they do to make the switch? Well, 01:44:17.029 --> 01:44:20.390 you were saying like plant -based plastics. Do 01:44:20.390 --> 01:44:23.050 they make plant -based plastic clothing? Does 01:44:23.050 --> 01:44:25.810 anybody do that? Like plant -based plastic leggings? 01:44:26.229 --> 01:44:29.930 Let's find that out. Does anybody make plant 01:44:29.930 --> 01:44:33.939 -based plastic? Used in clothing. Yeah. What 01:44:33.939 --> 01:44:36.960 is the primary chemicals that come out? Is it 01:44:36.960 --> 01:44:41.920 PFAS? PFAS. Yeah. PFAS -free leggings. Because 01:44:41.920 --> 01:44:45.220 I would imagine, especially if you're not wearing 01:44:45.220 --> 01:44:48.020 underwear and you're wearing those kind of yoga 01:44:48.020 --> 01:44:50.680 tights, that would just get in there, right? 01:44:51.920 --> 01:44:54.100 Well, speaking of that, they're looking for it. 01:44:54.199 --> 01:44:56.439 They want them to be squat -proof, in quotes, 01:44:56.699 --> 01:45:00.600 so they're not see -through. Squat -proof? Yeah, 01:45:00.640 --> 01:45:01.960 if there's girls wearing leggings, you know, 01:45:02.020 --> 01:45:03.800 they're going to be doing a lot of squats at 01:45:03.800 --> 01:45:06.300 the gym probably or something. Squat proof. So 01:45:06.300 --> 01:45:08.100 they don't want people to be watching them a 01:45:08.100 --> 01:45:09.939 lot. But there are some. I don't know what that 01:45:09.939 --> 01:45:13.939 means. Watching them a lot? Dude. Oh, see -through. 01:45:14.060 --> 01:45:16.239 Yeah, yeah, they're see -through. But that's 01:45:16.239 --> 01:45:19.359 a weird way to say. Squat -proof sounds to me 01:45:19.359 --> 01:45:20.840 like you can't do squats in them. Also probably 01:45:20.840 --> 01:45:22.960 ripping, I would imagine, too. I think it's just 01:45:22.960 --> 01:45:25.739 a bad phrase. You know, like when you do a squat 01:45:25.739 --> 01:45:27.979 or downward -facing dog, the fabric stretches 01:45:27.979 --> 01:45:30.199 out. You can see some undies through the fabric. 01:45:30.539 --> 01:45:33.539 We tested nine different kinds of them. So there's 01:45:33.539 --> 01:45:37.960 a few different brands. Oh, the bioplastic. Go 01:45:37.960 --> 01:45:42.140 back. There. Yeah, bioplastic. Three primary 01:45:42.140 --> 01:45:44.460 categories of non -toxic workout clothes. All 01:45:44.460 --> 01:45:47.199 natural or almost all natural. For example, 100 01:45:47.199 --> 01:45:50.119 % organic cotton or 90 % cotton, 10 % spandex. 01:45:50.460 --> 01:45:53.319 Most semi -synthetic fabric, for instance, 10 01:45:53.319 --> 01:45:55.859 -cell fabric. Plant -based plastic, which is 01:45:55.859 --> 01:45:57.960 a plastic sourced from something like castor 01:45:57.960 --> 01:46:01.199 bean oil instead of fossil fuels. In general, 01:46:01.220 --> 01:46:04.500 I'm not a huge fan of plant -based bioplastics. 01:46:04.520 --> 01:46:07.060 They are advertised as plastic -free alternatives, 01:46:07.319 --> 01:46:10.060 but they're still plastic. And some research 01:46:10.060 --> 01:46:13.600 shows that they're not truly non -toxic. I know. 01:46:13.699 --> 01:46:16.420 It's disappointing, it says. Here's the honest 01:46:16.420 --> 01:46:17.960 -to -God truth. When it comes to performance, 01:46:18.420 --> 01:46:21.680 stretchiness, compression, durability, the plant 01:46:21.680 --> 01:46:24.100 -based plastics do tend to perform the best. 01:46:24.359 --> 01:46:29.510 Huh. Followed by the semi -synthetics. I think 01:46:29.510 --> 01:46:35.210 they mean perform the best in terms of stretchiness. 01:46:36.109 --> 01:46:39.710 A lot of product categories where non -toxic 01:46:39.710 --> 01:46:42.890 options performs just as well as a synthetic 01:46:42.890 --> 01:46:45.289 option like shampoo, to give you one example. 01:46:45.510 --> 01:46:47.430 It's not really as straightforward with leggings. 01:46:47.569 --> 01:46:49.229 At the end of the day, you're going to have to 01:46:49.229 --> 01:46:50.829 decide for yourself what kind of material you 01:46:50.829 --> 01:46:53.550 prefer. It will largely depend on things like 01:46:53.550 --> 01:46:56.420 what type of workouts you do. how you like your 01:46:56.420 --> 01:46:59.439 leggings to feel, where you work out, and more. 01:47:00.859 --> 01:47:07.020 Okay, my reviews on these nine almost plastic 01:47:07.020 --> 01:47:09.020 -free, non -toxic leggings. All right, let's 01:47:09.020 --> 01:47:11.779 get to it. It says, what are the ones? So, Mate. 01:47:12.060 --> 01:47:16.340 It's a company called Mate. Overall review, they're 01:47:16.340 --> 01:47:19.920 the best middle ground leggings. They're not 01:47:19.920 --> 01:47:22.659 super high performance. I don't know what that 01:47:22.659 --> 01:47:24.880 means. But they're made from healthier materials 01:47:24.880 --> 01:47:26.500 and they're very comfortable. They're great for 01:47:26.500 --> 01:47:28.939 lower impact workouts, just for general everyday 01:47:28.939 --> 01:47:32.760 wearing. Squat test passed but had to size up. 01:47:34.300 --> 01:47:37.060 So let's find what the best one is. Do they have 01:47:37.060 --> 01:47:39.939 the best one? I don't. So made is one of them. 01:47:39.939 --> 01:47:45.479 What are the other ones? Pangaea. Overall review, 01:47:45.819 --> 01:47:48.539 find myself reaching for these leggings more 01:47:48.539 --> 01:47:50.239 often than any of the others when it comes to 01:47:50.239 --> 01:47:53.119 hardcore workouts. Compressive nature of them 01:47:53.119 --> 01:47:56.720 makes me feel very held in when I'm jumping around. 01:47:56.840 --> 01:47:59.859 They have great stretch. Squat test, pass, material 01:47:59.859 --> 01:48:05.619 blend, 92 % polyamide, bio -based EVO, bio -based 01:48:05.619 --> 01:48:10.560 content, 8 % part bio -based Creora elastane. 01:48:11.180 --> 01:48:13.720 30 % bio -based contact. Will make some different, 01:48:13.859 --> 01:48:15.920 closest to conventional synthetics in terms of 01:48:15.920 --> 01:48:20.159 fit, feel, stretch, and compression. Okay. Well, 01:48:20.239 --> 01:48:24.420 so this website is thefittery .com and forward 01:48:24.420 --> 01:48:27.920 slash plastic -free, non -toxic workout leggings. 01:48:28.520 --> 01:48:30.800 Go check it out for yourself. So there's some 01:48:30.800 --> 01:48:32.939 options that are out there. Hopefully we'll give 01:48:32.939 --> 01:48:35.260 those companies a boost and more people will 01:48:35.260 --> 01:48:37.300 wear them. Anything else before we get going? 01:48:38.859 --> 01:48:41.840 Think we covered it all? I think so. I think 01:48:41.840 --> 01:48:45.119 we sounded the alarm. I think we tried again 01:48:45.119 --> 01:48:48.560 anyway. Yeah, we did something. Like I said, 01:48:48.600 --> 01:48:52.579 I think it's just a volume thing. More and more 01:48:52.579 --> 01:48:55.180 of these conversations have to take place so 01:48:55.180 --> 01:48:59.520 that in the general zeitgeist, more people are 01:48:59.520 --> 01:49:03.060 aware of it and it's just increased awareness 01:49:03.060 --> 01:49:06.460 and just makes it where more people are making 01:49:06.460 --> 01:49:09.449 better choices. And you're a platformer. huge 01:49:09.449 --> 01:49:12.090 that I'm really encouraged to have the opportunity 01:49:12.090 --> 01:49:15.989 to talk about this with you and happy to come 01:49:15.989 --> 01:49:18.189 back. Well, I'd be happy to have you back. I 01:49:18.189 --> 01:49:19.890 loved you the first time. You're great the second 01:49:19.890 --> 01:49:24.510 time as well. And for everybody, one more time, 01:49:24.590 --> 01:49:27.789 The Plastic Detox. That's the name of the documentary. 01:49:28.050 --> 01:49:31.170 It's available right now on Netflix. Go check 01:49:31.170 --> 01:49:36.090 it out and fix your life, kids. All right. Thank 01:49:36.090 --> 01:49:37.750 you. I really appreciate it. It was really fun. 01:49:37.869 --> 01:49:40.260 Thank you. That's great. And I'm really so happy 01:49:40.260 --> 01:49:42.340 that you're out there. Because like I said, if 01:49:42.340 --> 01:49:44.779 you weren't doing this very important work, I 01:49:44.779 --> 01:49:46.279 wouldn't know about it. And I think a lot of 01:49:46.279 --> 01:49:48.479 other people wouldn't either. So thank you. So 01:49:48.479 --> 01:49:50.560 pee in the cup. I will pee in the cup. I promise 01:49:50.560 --> 01:49:52.800 you. I promise you I'll pee in the cup and I'll 01:49:52.800 --> 01:49:54.720 send it. And then if you want to do the next 01:49:54.720 --> 01:49:56.699 steps, let me know. I will do the next steps 01:49:56.699 --> 01:49:59.020 as well. You want to? Okay. So when you're ready 01:49:59.020 --> 01:50:00.739 to have another test. Talk to that microphone 01:50:00.739 --> 01:50:04.220 so people know what you're saying. So when you're 01:50:04.220 --> 01:50:08.439 ready to have another test kit. Or you can go 01:50:08.439 --> 01:50:10.100 to Million Marketing and just order one. Okay. 01:50:10.260 --> 01:50:13.539 Yeah. Okay. It's $100. All right. We'll do it. 01:50:13.579 --> 01:50:15.420 But we'll send it for nothing if you want. Just 01:50:15.420 --> 01:50:17.880 let me know. I'll give you the $100. Okay. Okay. 01:50:18.180 --> 01:50:20.159 Thank you very much. Appreciate it. All right. 01:50:20.159 --> 01:50:20.539 Bye, everybody.