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to see you, Joe. Happy to be here. Happy to have
you here. So you've got a documentary about the,
essentially about the same subject that you talked
about last time you were here, the impact of
microplastics and all these various endocrine
disrupting chemicals that we're dealing with.
Right. Right? Right. Tell me about it. Well,
it started as a movie on plastic. And when I
met Louis and he filmed me in New York about
five years ago also, it wasn't the small study
that we have today. But let me backtrack because
I want to tell you something. That I never told
you, but so important to me. So you remember
when I was here, you said, are you saying the
toxins in the environment are threatening the
survival of the human race? Right. And I said,
that's my story and I'm sticking to it. Yes.
Yes. And then you said something which changed
my life. You said, why don't people know about
this? Remember that? Yes. I went home and I thought
a lot about that question. And that was what
led me to create the program that I have now,
Action Science Initiative, which is doing short,
impactful, relatively cheap interventions to
alert people to the problem and communicating
this in a way that I'm hoping. will reach more
people than academia where I was speaking before.
Because before I talked to you, I talked to my
peers in, you know, academia and the ivory tower,
you know, at the meetings where they all went,
they read the papers that we all read. But the
general public didn't get this. So you really
were, I have to tell you, thank you. And you
were actually very influential in my life. Well,
I'm very happy to help. When I first heard about
your book and I started going over the details
of it and the subject matter, I was shocked.
I couldn't imagine that something like this could
not just have happened, but there's no large
-scale effort to reverse course or to change
course or to do something about it or at least
to make people aware of the impact that plastics
are having on us. Let me tell you a story about
a friend of mine. There's a guy named Philip
Franklin Lee who is a Michelin star chef that
lives in Austin, and he has this amazing sushi
restaurant, Sushi by Scratch, and great chef.
Anyway, he was experiencing fatigue, like always
tired, got his hormones tested, extremely low
testosterone, but then got his microplastics
tested, and they were off the charts. Did a series
of interventions to try to clean his body out
from that. Stopped drinking anything out of plastic.
Stopped using plastic. Just by whatever he did,
I'm not sure if he did the plasmapheresis thing
that I just did recently, his testosterone went
up to 1 ,200. With no testosterone replacement,
no nothing. Just eliminating microplastics from
his life over a period of time raises testosterone.
So that's fantastic, and it's what we are seeing
in the film and so on. I want to just make a
small point, which is microplastics and plastics
and plasticizers are not identical, right? Okay.
Right? Microplastics are a relatively newcomer
to the scene because we've had plastics since
1950, right? Microplastics have been there but
not recognized until relatively recently. And
actually measuring them in our bodies is much
harder than measuring the plasticizers, which
are the chemicals that are put in plastic to
give them the various properties that they have.
Pallets. Phthalates is one, bisphenol A is another,
and so on. So there are other, you know. And
by the way, well, we'll come back to that later.
So yes, we can measure those, but measuring microplastics,
particularly if we're going to go into your brain
or into your testicles, you know, into a woman's
placenta, obviously that's much more difficult.
They're not the same, but the microplastics,
what they are is the actual pieces of plastic
that carry the plasticizers along with them.
So they kind of piggyback on. So they do double
damage because they carry the chemical harms,
and they also physically enter the cells, right?
So do you remember, I'm sure, asbestos you know
about, you know, and silicosis. These were other
examples of particles that went into the body
and conveyed both chemical harm and physical
harm, like inflammation and so on and so forth.
So they're all bad, but they're not identical.
And what we studied in the— Plastic Detox, which
is the film, that was, we did not study any microplastics.
We studied the plasticizers. So you probably
remember, I think I told you last time, well,
why should you remember anyway? They're water
-soluble. Yeah, I do remember. Remember that?
So they go into your urine, and then they're
pretty easy to measure. So I'm going to give
this to you. This is a kit. Open it up. I'll
tell you what. Okay. Learn what's inside. It
looks like you pee in that. Okay. That's right.
Keep going. And there's more stuff in there?
Yep. Okay. Something to send it back. Right.
And then this looks like a biohazard bag. To
put your pee in. So my pee doesn't kill anybody.
And this is, it's got a QR code on it. Say hello
to a healthier you. So those are ways to find
out ways to lower your exposure. Okay. Yeah.
I know a lot of people get these harmful chemicals
from drinking coffee, hot liquids out of paper
cups. Yeah, from the paper cups that are lined
with, for example, bisphenols. But the coffee
itself is made in a—most coffee makers contain
a lot of plastic also. So it comes in both the
cups and in the device that's making the coffee.
That's why we use metal and just make a French
press. I do that at home, too. I got rid of my
plastic coffee machine. Me too. I was thinking
about it. I was like, why am I pouring hot water
into this plastic thing that can't be good? Yeah.
It doesn't taste as good. You're learning. You're
learning. French press tastes better anyway.
So here's my suggestion. If you're willing to
do this. I am willing to do this. You are. Good.
Cool. So not hard. Okay. Pee in the cup. Send
it in. Got it. Then my colleague Jenna Waugh
and her team will analyze it. for not everything
in the world, but the bisphenols, the phthalates,
and the parabens. They're going to be adding
pesticides soon, and that would be great to have
that as well. Then, if you want to go to phase
two, I have some things here that you could swap
in your kitchen, and you could go to that QR
code and find out other things that you could
reduce. And then if you wanted to, we could send
you another kit and you could see if your levels
changed. Okay. You want to do that? I would love
to do that. Yay! What is phase two? Phase two
would mail you back another kit. You take your
urine again, and that's it. So that's to see
if it's changed because of lifestyle changes.
That's right. Right. That's right. So you would
be doing what the couples in part of what the
couples in the intervention did. The couples
in the intervention also were infertile. And
so we're not going to touch your fertility question,
but they also, the men collected sperm. And we
can do that if you want, but I don't think you
may not want to talk about that on your phone.
That's what we did in the intervention. So in
the intervention, we found—this is what the intervention
was. There's a company called Fellow, which has
grown out of UCSF, and they're very big now.
I think they have like 200 ,000 men in their
files who have had their semen tested. And at
the time they had their semen tested— They're
asked, could we recontact you for research? That's
one important question. And they're asked, why
did you want your sperm tested? And if they say
because we're infertile or subfertile or we're
worrying about our fertility, we ask or they
ask, how long has it been that you've been having
this problem with fertility? And if it's more
than 12 months, then they're technically infertile.
Right. So if they said they would agree to be
recontacted and they were infertile, they were
potentially eligible for this intervention. You
with me? Got it. So actually finding the couples
that are in the film was a long process. They
had to, of course, agree to be filmed. They had
to have what we call. terrible word, idiopathic
infertility, no known causes. And they couldn't
be obese. They couldn't be smokers. They couldn't
have a diagnosis, a medical diagnosis that explains.
We don't want it to be unexplained. So sort of
we winnowed down to what was six couples. One
of them dropped out for personal reasons. So
I won't go into that. But that's how we got those
couples. They had to be couples, by the way.
And they had to be staying together for the next
three months and not doing IVF. Okay? Okay. So
that was the setup. And then the company called
Million Marker that you're going to send your
P to, they have an education program. And that's
a lot of what they do, the testing and the education.
And so all of those couples, you know, they talked
to them and said, Tell me about what you put
on your face this morning. Tell me what you washed
your clothes with. Tell me what you clean your
counters with, and on and on and on like that,
right? So they took an inventory of what the
couples were doing. And then they started this
educational program, which they're very good
at and have been doing for a while, once a week.
They talked to them. So how's it going? Have
you changed this? What are you using now? And
so on. So it was not just a one -time thing.
And if you were doing this, it would be short,
you know, just like use these things maybe. But
along with that, we sent them the fellow kits
to collect their semen. Okay, so we have beginning,
middle, and end. It was three months, so beginning,
six weeks, 12 weeks. And you know why three months?
Why? It takes 70 days to make a sperm. So we
wanted to have a turnover within the course of
the intervention. So we sent them a kit, and
they collected their semen at home, which is
nice for guys because you don't have to go into
a lab and do it there. You know, it's much better
at home, right? Yeah. And they sent it in, and
they figured out how to get all the parameters
right, even though it's mailed. And, yeah, so
the couples did that. So we had, over time— levels
in their body of the chemicals, semen quality,
what they were doing, what they changed in their
life, because we had this record of everything
they changed. And then finally, we saw who got
pregnant. And I hope your listeners will watch
The Plastic Detox. It's a movie that a lot of
people love and found, you know, really moving.
And you should watch it. Can I ask you about
the coffee question? When you go to a place like,
let's just say Starbucks, not to single them
out, but are they using plastic with their coffee
machines? Are their coffee machines made with
plastic? I don't know about any particular place
except my kitchen. I suspect that they are using
plastic. Right. So if people stop at a place
like that on a regular basis on their way to
work in the morning to get coffee. and they bring
their own stainless steel thermos or mug, that
would eliminate some of it, but perhaps they're
getting it actually from the coffee machine itself.
Yes, yes, yes. When you see these big industrial
machines and they slide those filters in, those
filters are plastic. Well, they probably have
bisphenol in them. Right. It's a plastic tray.
It seems like. I don't know. But then there's
a paper filter in the plastic tray. So you're
getting it no matter what. And if they use those
pods, you know, at home. Bruno, one of our guys
in the film, wonderful guy, he was kind of addicted
to his coffee machine, his pods. And we said,
Bruno. We want you to stop using those pods.
No, I don't want to stop using them. But he did.
He did. And they've had two babies. I'm not saying
that's the reason, but, you know, it's a contribution
probably. Well, there is certainly an issue,
like I said, with my friend Philip. that it made
a radical difference in his sperm count and his
testosterone levels. And so this is probably
the case with so many Americans in this country
that are dealing with infertility issues. A big
part of it is probably these. Plasticizers, is
that how you refer to them? Plasticizers, all
these various chemicals that are endocrine disruptors
that are ubiquitous in the modern world. Yes,
unfortunately. It's crazy. And by the way, not
the women. Let me say something. We didn't talk
about the women last time very much, right? A
little bit we did. A little, yeah. I think we
did. So the women need testosterone too, you
know, for sexual arousal and libido and so on,
and muscle. And in our study, study for future
families, I think, or maybe, yeah, we got the
urine. We saw how much phthalates were in their
urine. And then we asked them some questions
about their sexual experience. So how satisfied
were they with their sexual life? And frequency?
And the women who had higher levels of phthalates
had less satisfaction and lower frequency. So
it's not just the men. Completely makes sense.
Everyone needs testosterone. Yeah. My wife's
friend got on testosterone. I guess she's about
50. She got on testosterone because her doctor
put her on some low -level cream or something
like that. Her response was like, it makes me
horny like a bloke. She's English. I thought
that was a very funny thing that she said it
that way. Did she think that was a good thing?
Yeah, she enjoyed it. Yeah. Apparently. Allegedly.
I didn't speak to her directly. But I think that's
what she was saying. Like, whoa. You know, just
whoa. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's the thing that
came out of your the episode that we did that.
shocked me the most is how little this is discussed
in the mainstream. And I had not known until
you brought it up until you became a guest on
the show until I started researching it. I was
stunned. I couldn't believe that this was something
that was so common. And so, so One of the things
that comes up all the time is infertility with
couples that are trying and they're using IVF
and it's more common now than ever before. And
there's been a lot of things that people, a lot
of factors that people have attributed to that
reason. A lot of them being older people that
are, you know, they put their careers aside in
their 30s. They decided now it's time to have
kids. They're worried that it's too late. But
listening. To you talk about it, it seems like
that's only one part of the issue and not the
big part. The big part seems to be that we're
being poisoned and we're doing it by virtue of
our modern world that we live in where so much
of your life relies on plastic. And it's very
difficult for people that are so set in their
ways. They have routines. They don't really understand,
like, what can I do to eliminate this stuff from
my life? Just having the conversation and understanding
that these things are having an impact is great.
But the steps that people need to take in order
to eliminate these things from their life, I
think that's what's really important to get out
there now. Thank you. You said it really well.
Let me just give people a place to go. You go
to unplasticyourlife .com. Okay. And then there's
action. Then you can go to the various places
in your home that you can... It's just onplasticyourlife,
one word. Unplastic. Unplastic. Unplasticyourlife
.com. Yeah. Let me see if I got that. Yeah. So
onplasticyourlife .com, go to Action Hub, and
then to Protect Yourself. Okay. And that'll give
you... Lots of things to do to lower these exposures.
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have nonstick cookware, does that have any endocrine
-disrupting chemicals as well? But different
ones. Different ones? Which ones are those? So
those are what's called the PFAS chemicals. And
it's actually not just cookware. It's anything
that puts a barrier between two medium, if you
will. Like a rain jacket will put a barrier between
the rain and your skin. Right. And also stain
resistant, barrier with the stain. And it's very,
very prevalent. I mean, it's in clothing. I've
read it's in a lot of yoga tights and things
along those lines. Yes, workout clothes. That's
so crazy. You think you're being healthy, and
you're exposing yourself to endocrine -disrupting
chemicals. And uniforms. There's a book. I probably
shouldn't recommend another book, but I think
it's a good book, I'll just say. It's called
To Die For, D -Y -E, and it's about the flight
attendants' uniforms and the harms that they
do because they have a lot of PFAS because they
have to keep clean. And they're not clean, right,
because they have this PFAS in them. It's in
sports uniforms. You can do a lot with sports,
all the sports uniforms. Nylon. Yeah. Anything
with nylon? Is that what it is? Probably, but
I'm not sure. I'm not, you know, I could refer
you to somebody, but I'm not the clothing expert.
But I know that they're in these things. And
one of the things that is kind of scary is school
uniforms. You know, a lot of kids have school
uniforms and they're loaded with it. Oh. Yeah.
Yeah, my kids used to wear a uniform every day.
Yeah. When you say to dye for, are dyes in cotton
clothes also releasing? Yes. Really? Yes. Dyes
are very risky. We've got to go back to being
Amish. Here it is. Oh, good. Yeah. So, in fact,
there's little or no regulation of clothes or
textiles we wear each day, from uniforms to fast
fashion, outdoor gear, and even the face masks
that have become ubiquitous in recent years.
Wicker explains how we got here, what the stakes
are, what all of us can do in the fight for a
safe and healthy wardrobe for all. Wow. And that's
in the film. There's disgust in the film. A little
bit. Not the major, but it's... So, blue jeans?
Probably. Probably. I can't, you know, speak
about... There is a river, I believe it's in
China, where a series of blue jean factories
exist, where the entire river is blue. It's so
disgusting. Like, not blue like beautiful clean
water. Blue like... Dye. Dyed water. Like, look
at this. Look at that. Oh. That's the blue jean
capital of the world. Wow. That's where they
make a lot of blue jeans. And look at the stinky,
dirty, disgusting blue dye water that is just
that river leaking out into the ocean, which
also looks polluted. You want cheap clothes,
kids? This is what happens. It's so crazy. Like,
look at that stuff. I mean, how many jeans are
they making? And what are the, you know. And
this is a good point for me to point out that
these things are affecting animals, of course.
Like the animals, fish in this. Look at this,
African rivers as well. Of course we do it in
other places. If we did it in America, people
would be aware. Canada. Canada too. I'm not sure
they'd be aware. You don't think so? We're trying.
We're trying. We're trying to get them aware.
I mean, that's what we're doing right now, right?
Right. So to go back to that point you raised
about, you know, reasons that people give for
low testosterone or low fertility, low sperm
count. And particularly this comes up for fertility.
More couples are, you know, the fertility is
in the toilet, right? Yes. That's a weird thing
to say, but yeah. For lack of a better. Yeah.
And, I mean, used to be five children per couple
on the average in 1960. And now it's, in South
Korea, it's like 0 .88. Wow. That's the worst,
you know. Why is South Korea the worst? I don't
know. I mean, all of East Asia is very, very
low. South Korea's replacement numbers are so
low that they're in danger of complete population
collapse. Absolutely. And Japan is getting there
and, you know, all of that Southeast Asia. And
so when there's a lot of articles about this,
a lot of editorials, a lot of articles, and they
make me so, Joe, they make me so mad. They say
correctly that having a child at an older age
will do this to some extent. You know, not wanting
to have children, as many children, will do this
to some extent. But they never mention toxics.
And so I've written editorials saying, hey, guys,
we're not alone on this planet. And we're not
the only species that's declining in number.
And then if you look at the curve of the number
of species that are declining and the rate of
decline of human fertility, they're parallel.
It's all about 1 % per year. And we know they're
exposed, these other species. You showed it.
Those fish in that water are exposed and animals
on the periphery. So I would love for everybody,
when they look at these numbers of declining
fertility, consider. That it's not all choice.
Right. Animals are not choosing to have their
children later or to delay childbearing, right?
They have big careers. Beavers are trying to
make dams. They don't have time for children.
Right. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. So for me, you
know, it's not – those are good – those are explanations
for sure. Obviously, when you get older, your
fertility is less. Obviously, if you have a busy
life and you don't have time to have children,
you shouldn't have children. But the toxics matter.
They matter a lot. Yeah, 100%. And the animals,
is the issue exposure to water that has these
chemicals in it because of pollution? What is
causing it with that? It's in the water. It's
in the soil. what they eat because it comes in
the plants. It gets into the plants? Yeah. Do
you know that phthalates, I'm just, this is a
little fun fact, phthalates are put in pesticides.
Why would they do that? Well, because one of
the things that phthalates do is they increase
absorption. That's why they're in hand cream.
Right? You see, you put your cream on, it goes
in your skin, right? Phthalates help that. You
have the pesticide you wanted to go into the
plant? Phthalates help that. So, you know, these
exposures are all over the place, and animals
are getting them too. A long time ago, I don't
think we talked about this, but there was a wonderful
scientist who's not living anymore. His name
is Lou Gillette. He lived in Florida. And he
showed that... Alligators swimming in a lake
that had a lot of runoff of pesticides. Get this.
Their penises were small. He measured them. And
he was a big guy. He had to do it at night. He
went at night, wrestled them into the boat. And
I have pictures of that. Took them to his lab.
Measured their penises. Measured their penises.
They must have been very confused when they got
let go. Like, what is this guy kinky with? What
is his thing? You know, and they had fewer eggs.
Right. So they were a declining species. That's
just a very dramatic example of, you know, can
you put up penis size? Alligator penis size?
I'm just wondering. As if you don't already Google
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endocrine disruptors from pollution. Oh, boy.
You would think that this would sound the alarm.
And this is not new. He's dead. This is old work.
Oh. And no one knows. First of all, there's not
a lot of people that say, first problem on my
list today, alligator penis sizes. It's a real
issue. You're in front of Congress. We've got
to talk. Alligator penis sizes are shrinking.
They'd kick you out of the building. Actually,
he, Lou Gillette, went to Congress. And he gave
talk and he said, every man in this room is half
the man his grandfather was. As far as testosterone
levels, right? And penis size. Well, he didn't
measure their penis, but he was making this point.
Yeah, I understand. Well, I mean, it completely
makes sense. But what doesn't make sense is how
little attention that's being paid. You would
think that in a society that is, I mean, America
is also facing a potential population collapse.
People don't think about that, but our reproduction
numbers. We're not reproducing. Yeah, they're
down quite a bit. And they're not at the level
that we need in order to keep our population.
It's the, you know, the normal shape of the population
is like this, right? So this is up here, not
very many people. And down here, lots and lots
of people. And this is terms of age, older, younger
at the bottom. Right. Lots of people are living
longer, but fewer down here. And then what that
means is the ones down here are supposed to support
the ones up here. But there's not enough of them.
Right. Yeah. So it's a huge societal problem.
Well, it's just so confusing how few people are
even aware of this. We were talking. I didn't
realize it had been five years since our last
podcast, which is pretty crazy. But in that five
years, you barely hear about it. It's occasional.
People bring up certain chemicals they think
are bad. Oh, avoid this. Paul Saladino was the
one that showed that the. paper cups that you
get from a coffee shop, that if you take that
paper away, what you have is essentially this
plastic membrane. And that's what you're drinking
your coffee out of. You're not drinking your
coffee out of paper. And how terrible these things
are for you. But even that, it's like people
just dismiss it. The line around Starbucks is
always the same. There's always people going
to get their coffee. They don't think anything
of it. And they're just consuming these chemicals
that... Mess up your health. Mess up your vitality,
your energy levels, everything, brain fog, all
these. But whose responsibility is it, you know?
Well, to talk about it, I think it's ours. It's
certainly yours and mine. Well, we'll spread
this word and more people discuss it. And I think
more people need to be aware that this directly
impacts you. Like this is not like in the future.
I don't have to think about it. I'll be dead.
No, it directly impacts your health, your energy
levels, your vitality right now as a living human
being listening to this show. Just to add to
that how it affects you, not you. Humans. Maybe
your levels are lower. I don't know, but we'll
find out. But both men and women who have lower
fertility on average, these are studies. There
have been about four or five studies that have
shown this. Lower fertility and sperm count on
the male side die younger. Die younger. Okay?
This is... Should be of concern to everybody.
Yeah. Well, it makes sense. Yeah. You have less
vitality, less energy, less life force. And the
things that affect your sperm, your vitality,
your testosterone are also affecting. It's a
canary in the coal mine, if you will, of lots
of things that are going south. Right. At the
same time. Which completely makes sense. And
as the case of my friend Philip, all this fatigue,
all these issues that he was experiencing. Yeah.
Yeah. It's not just one, never just one thing.
Right. It is quite disturbing how uncommon these
discussions are, though. That's what's crazy,
you know, that this should be a huge factor.
I mean, we get concerned with so many, oh, there's
people concerned with alcohol consumption. Big
thing, like, and that has had an impact. Children
today, or young adults, I should say, today are
consuming much less alcohol than people in the
past. Cigarette smoking, we're aware, very dangerous.
Much less cigarette smoking than in the past.
The consumption of these endocrine -disrupting
chemicals is essentially the same as when we
talked five years ago. So I want to go back to
this question I asked, is whose responsibility?
So I don't think it's... I mean, it's great for
you and I to be concerned and for your listeners
to be concerned. But, in fact, it shouldn't be
our responsibility because, you know, the drug
– FDA does drugs, right? They have pretty good
control of safety of drugs. Pretty good. Yeah.
Okay. We can talk about that. But compared to
chemicals in our daily – The products we use
every day, it's fantastic because the regulatory
agencies are not doing the job. Right. Okay?
And so that's why it's all out there because
they're not doing the job. Here in Europe, it's
much better, by the way. Is it? Yeah. Well, that's
bad because they're going to beat us. They'll
out -reproduce us. We'll go away. They'll take
over. No more America. We have to get people
angry. Enough to put pressure on, you know, there's
a bill, the Toxic Substances Control Act, which
should be doing a lot of this. And I think it's
coming up for revision. And, you know, maybe
people can pay attention to that and read about
it and, you know, think government should be
doing this. It's not our job. It's not our job
to worry about what's in our pants and what's
in our this and our this and our this. You were
asking what kind of denim and so on. Should we
have to read up on that? Are there dyes for jeans
and clothes that are not toxic? Yes, but as I
said, this is not my area. I can give you a name
if you want. Get somebody on clothing on this.
Yeah, I'd be happy to. Just because it was relatively
new to my consciousness when I was, you know,
doing the film and before that. We didn't collect
data on that, unfortunately. You know, maybe
we should do another study. Which reminds me,
there is just like so much work to be done. And
for my program, there's so many interventions
I want to do. We did this one, which was a great
success. And now we're doing another one and
we have another one. If anybody wants to help
with this, it's all privately funded. The government
is not going to fund this. Unfortunately. Unfortunately.
So, you know, let me know if anybody comes to
you and says, how can we help? Well, I'm sure
somebody will reach out. They usually do. The
thing that I would imagine would be the response
to something like this was that there are so
many industries that are established already
that. that require the use of all these compounds,
all these chemicals, all these endocrine -disrupting
chemicals. And it's just everywhere. It's everywhere
in everything. They use plastic in the production
of so many different things. These things are
leaching into our food. They're leaching into
our clothes. They're leaching into all these
various products that we use that contribute
to these chemicals entering into our body, disrupting
that. So you're aware of glyphosate, I'm sure.
They were trying to eliminate glyphosate from
the industrial agriculture. Good luck. Exactly.
Well, the president passed an executive order
blocking it because some enormous percent, 90
-something percent of all of our food in terms
of wheat, corn, all the agriculture in this country
relies on glyphosate for production. And so the
idea is we need poison so that we can make food.
which is so crazy especially when you consider
the fact that all these other countries don't
use glyphosate and feed their population so how
are they doing it and what do we need to do to
to get back on that track and you know i had
rfk jr in here to discuss it and he was very
crestfallen when he was explaining that there
was an executive order passed and that you know
he was working very hard to try to eliminate
glyphosate It's something that he discussed in
previous meetings that he and I had. It was one
of his primary concerns. Glyphosate is toxic.
It's terrible. It's just completely awful for
your body. Yet the use of it is ubiquitous in
agriculture, industrial agriculture. And he was
trying very hard to try to eliminate it. And
then the government passes this executive order
because in their estimation. Yeah, exactly. Pressure.
Yeah. And this is what I worry about with – Yeah,
of course. I don't want to mention any names,
but there's a lot of these popular clothing brands
that people wear that are fitness. I'm healthy.
I'm fitness wear. And these fitness wear – these
clothings that you're wearing are leaching these
chemicals into your body that are screwing up
your health, which is so crazy. Crazy, right?
But it's so – I don't want to say it's perfect,
but it sort of encapsulates. How screwed up our
modern life is. Yes. The paradox. So I did a
study on glyphosate. I mean, I examined our populations
for glyphosate. And interestingly, they also
have an effect on, remember anal genital distance?
Yes. The taint size. The taint size. Yes. They
influence the taint size. Yeah. Now that's not,
we did it in two studies and there's been some
animal studies. I can't say this is an established
fact, but I'm just. pointing out that it has
very many unforeseen consequences, none of them
good. And by the way, I was asked to go to talk
to RFK tomorrow, but I can't because I have another
meeting. But I would love to talk to him about
this because glyphosate is a big concern of mine.
Well, I hope you do talk to him. Yeah, he has
these round tables on different scientific topics.
So this one is on microplastics, which is not
perfect for me because I haven't measured them.
But if he has one on glyphosate or pesticides,
that would be a good place. Hands are tied right
now on the glyphosate issue momentarily. They
have some non -toxic solutions. One of them is
they have this new device, which is like the
same way these machines pull the crops out of
the ground. These machines go over the crops
and zap all the non -essential crops with a laser
beam. Non -essential crops, excuse me, non -essential
plants. So weeds, I would say. So as the corn's
growing or whatever else it is, they're zapping
all the other stuff that's growing around it
that's sucking up all the resources, all the
weeds. That sounds like a good step. That's a
great step. Because it minimizes the use of pesticides.
Exactly. And I asked, does it have any residual
effect on the food? He said, no. Well, that's
great. But then, you know, farmers, one of the
big problems is they're already... barely making
money. So if you now require them to spend X
amount of dollars on some gigantic weed zapping
laser that has to cover who knows how many acres
they're running these. I mean, I'm sure you're
aware, but monocrop agriculture. For people who
have never seen, some of these places that grow
corn and wheat, you're talking about these massive
pieces of land that only grow one thing, which
in nature doesn't exist. So, of course, nature
wants to rectify that. Nature's like, why is
there only wheat here? You need weeds. And so,
you know, birds drop seeds, all these seeds fly
in the wind, and then all these things grow.
So you're going to have to get these machines
that are capable of traveling over all of those.
crops and zapping out all the weeds. How much
is that going to cost to people that are already
struggling? Because the American farmers are
barely getting by, barely, and we need them.
And the last thing you want to do is burden them
with another cost. But also... The use of, especially
when it comes to things like wheat, because they're
using it after they harvest the wheat to dry
it out quicker so that it doesn't grow mold on
it. That's why they're using glyphosate. So it's
not even as a pesticide. I didn't know that.
Yeah, they're using it as, I guess, a desiccator.
Wow. Yeah. And that's why so many theorized to
be why so many people in this country have a
problem with bread. You know? It should make
sense. And with their tape. And their tape. Yeah.
A lot of tape problems. A lot of people complaining.
But it's just it's so weird that we're so intelligent
and so informed. And, you know, now we all have
supercomputers in our pockets that have access
to things like perplexity. They can answer any
questions you have about anything. But yet we're
being poisoned by the very food that we eat,
the coffee that we drink, the clothing that we
wear. The water we drink. The water we drink.
Everything. Here's a good question. Are there
any good filters on a consumer level that will
remove a lot of these chemicals from water that
a person could buy? I can't name any brands.
Right. But are they available? Yes, there are.
Is it reverse osmosis? What are the ones that
work the best? I'll tell you my solution in my
house. That's very personal. We distill our water.
So the water out of the tap goes into a big container,
and then it's boiled. Steam is formed, crosses
over, and the steam is condensed into another
container, right? Right. And that has nothing
in it and removes everything. By the way, all
germs also. So that's what we've chosen. And
in this thing that sits on the counter, my husband.
Does this every other day. It's kind of a nuisance,
but not too bad. And the water is fantastic.
Do you have to remineralize it? You should take
minerals somewhere. You can do it in the water.
You can do it in your supplements. It does remove
the minerals, yes. Right. That's what I've heard
is the problem with drinking distilled water
is that it actually leaches minerals and nutrients
from your own body. That I don't believe. No?
I don't believe that. But the water itself has
had its minerals. Well, let's put it into perplexity.
What is the issue with drinking distilled water
for health purposes? And is it recommended that
you add electrolytes or minerals or what have
you? So one of the things that fighters do when
they're cutting weight, I don't think most of
them do it anymore, but a lot of them were drinking
distilled water so that the water would go in
their system and right out of their system. Because
cutting weight for fighting, I don't know if
you know about this, but they have to weigh in
at a certain weight class, and essentially what
they do is radically dehydrate themselves 24
hours before a fight, which is not a great idea.
It's a terrible idea. So perplexity says it is
generally safe to drink distilled water. Most
people do not need to add minerals to it as long
as they eat a reasonably balanced diet. Distilled
water is simply water that's been boiled and
recondensed, so it's very low in contaminants
and minerals. Health sources note that it is
safe to drink but tends to taste flat because
minerals like calcium and magnesium are removed.
What about minerals? You get the vast majority
of needed minerals, calcium, magnesium, potassium,
et cetera, from food, not water. So distilled
water alone does not usually cause deficiencies
in healthy people with a good diet. However,
some organizations and reviews point out that
long -term use of very low mineral water may
slightly reduce mineral intake. And in specific
groups, children, heavy exercisers, there we
go, people with certain illnesses. could contribute
to electrolyte imbalance if diet is poor. So
when might adding minerals help? Distilled water
is humane or only drinking water and your diet
is low in fruits, vegetables, and other mineral
-rich foods. Adding a pinch of mineral salt or
using a remineralization cartridge. That sounds
terrible. Cartridge sounds like plastic, right?
Or drops can help restore small amounts of calcium,
magnesium, and electrolytes and improve taste.
Athletes who sweat heavily, people with kidney
or hormonal issues affecting electrolytes, and
those on very restricted diets should be more
cautious about relying exclusively on distilled
water and may benefit from electrolyte or mineral
replacement as advised by a clinician. I mean,
I recommend people take electrolytes anyway.
I always add electrolytes to water. Every day.
Here's a funny anecdote. We have a cat. What's
your cat's name? His name is Archie. Archie.
Archie. And Archie patrols the house and steals
our water whenever possible. He comes and drinks
from our glasses unless we cover them up. So
you think Archie probably likes your water because
it doesn't smell like poison to him. He loves
our water. And he has the choice of. His own
water, which comes out of the tap. And he will
100 % prefer our distilled water. Which makes
sense. If you think about a cat's sense of smell,
it's got to be off the charts. Yeah. So he can
probably smell like this water's got a bunch
of junk in it. And when you do the process, which
Stephen does every other day, and he goes to
clean the container that you put the water in,
it stinks. It really stinks. You would be shocked.
Wow. Well, we have a crazy filter at our house.
We have well water and then we have this crazy
filter, this giant machine that filters all the
water. It tastes delicious. But it's not distilled.
I'm not saying that, you know. You shouldn't
distill. That's an alternative. I mean, sorry,
you shouldn't filter. That's an alternative.
But I'm just saying what we chose to do. Right.
And so the distilling, it removes chlorine and
all these other issues that are in the water
as well. Yeah, and fluoride, everything. Fluoride
is another one that's bananas that we add to
water under the guise that it helps your teeth.
Like, shut up, brush your teeth. I don't have
any cavities. I don't use fluoride. I have fluoride
-free toothpaste. I don't have fluoride in my
water. It's dumb. It's not just dumb. It's completely
connected to lower IQs. There's a direct correlation
between higher fluoride content in water and
lower IQs. There's a giant business involved
in selling fluoride to these municipal water
supplies. I know. Which is nuts. More poison.
We are so screwed up. Chlorination. Yeah. And
I've said for years I studied chlorination byproducts
and they cause miscarriage. So it's got to be
terrible for people that swim a lot in public
pools, right? Yeah. Because then it's being absorbed
by your skin. I don't know how much exposure
you get in the relatively short time you're swimming.
Let's find out. I don't know. Yeah. Let's find
out. Put that into perplexity. How much of an
issue is chlorine exposure in swimming pools?
Let's find out. We don't know. We're learning
so much. There's a little science. That question
is going to get. tossed around here by perplexity
because it could go multiple ways with it. Is
there too much chlorine? You know what I mean?
Right. Okay. Let's say, is chlorine exposure
in swimming pools a health concern? Yeah. That's
good. There we go. Let's try that. I bet it is.
I mean, it only makes sense. I would like to
study someone like Michael Phelps, someone who
spent thousands of hours in a pool, whether or
not it's affected his body in any way. Whether
or not there's like measurable chlorine levels
in his urine or what have you. Chlorine in properly
maintained pools is generally considered safe,
but it can cause irritation of eyes, skin, and
airways. Well, that can't be good. And heavily
frequent exposure, especially indoors, can contribute
to respiratory problems in some people. What
chlorine does in pools, it kills germs like bacteria
and viruses in pools and is key for preventing
infections and diarrhea illnesses from contaminated
water. Public health guidance typically recommends
free chlorine about one to four parts per million
with pH 7. 7 .0 to 7 .8 within this range. Disinfection
is effective and side effects are usually mild.
Common short -term effects, irritation of eyes,
nose, throat, skin. Common when levels are high,
when chloramines build up, especially in indoor
pools. Chloramines form when chlorine reacts
with sweat, urine, and other organic matter.
It can become airborne and irritate the respiratory
tract, causing coughing, wheezing, or tight chest
in some swimmers and staff. Long -term regular
heavy exposure in indoors poorly ventilated pools
has been linked to increased respiratory symptoms.
Some studies suggest increased asthma risk. Okay,
put this in as a follow -up question. Is exposure
to chlorine through the skin? responsible for
any health issues. Let's just through the skin,
see if there's any studies on that. Chlorine
getting into the body through the intact skin
from pool water does not appear to cause systemic
whole body health problems in otherwise healthy
people. Its effects are almost entirely local
to the skin itself. What skin exposure actually
does, chlorine is an irritant that strips the
natural skin oils and disrupts the outer barrier,
leading to dryness, tightness, itching. So put
this in. What exposure does chlorine have to
healthy skin flora? Because healthy skin flora,
you know, I do jiu -jitsu, and one of the things
that happens with jiu -jitsu is you get a lot
of skin diseases. Really? People get ringworm,
staph infections. Well, you're getting scratched
up a lot. You're rolling around on the mats.
And if the mats are dirty and if it's just there's
exposure to it, you can have a problem. And then
one of the problems that people have is to treat
that, they use antibacterial skin soap. So what
that does is it strips the skin of all the healthy
flora, which actually protects you. The counter
to that, I always bring this up. I have no affiliation
with this product, but it's an excellent product.
It's called Defense Soap. Defense soap is my
friend Guy Sacco. He invented it. He's a wrestling
coach. It was a solution using healthy things
like tea tree oil, eucalyptus in this soap that
kills the bad bacteria but does nothing to the
healthy flora. That's great. Yes. So that's the
only soap that I use. Chlorinated pool water
does disturb normal skin flora temporarily, but
in healthy people, the microbiome usually recovers
within hours to a day or so after swimming. So
that's a problem if you swim every day then.
Chlorine is a broad disinfectant, so it kills
or suppresses both good and bad bacteria on the
skin surface. Reducing overall microbial... diversity
right after swimming. Experimental and field
studies show that even short exposure can cut
measured microbiome diversity markedly, often
cited around 30 to 40 percent, with composition
shifting away from the usual dominant groups
right after a swim. How long disruption lasts
after leaving the pool, many of the resident
species begin to recolonize from deeper skin
layers, hair follicles, and the environment,
and community composition tends to drift backward
towards baseline over the next 24 -plus hours.
With frequent repeated swimming, daily or high
-volume training, the skin may be in a more chronically
perturbed state with less time for full microbiome
recovery in between exposures. I know a lot of
people have switched their pools over to saltwater
pools for this very reason. I think there's a
problem with saltwater pools in very high temperature
areas, though, where it's not effective enough
to stop mold and all the junk. Right, right,
right. Yeah. Do you want to see these products
I brought? I would love to see these products
you brought. Here you go. These are for... Cleaning
up your kitchen. What's up, Jimmy? A note on
what you just said. A saltwater pool is still
technically a chlorine pool. Oh, still a chlorine
pool. It just makes the chlorine on site instead
of pouring it in. Oh. Yeah. Salt systems work.
Pool is ordinary salt, sodium chloride, dissolved
in the water, usually around. 2 ,700 to 3 ,400
parts per million, which is about one -tenth
the salinity of the ocean. And close to body
fluid levels, the water passes through an electrically
charged salt cell, which uses electrolysis to
convert some of that salt into active chlorine,
mainly hypochlorous acid and sodium hypochlorite.
that sanitizes the pool. After chlorine does
its job, it ends up back as chloride, and the
cycle repeats, so you keep generating chlorine
as long as the system runs and there's enough
salt. What's different from your standard chlorine
pool, you still have free chlorine in the water
at typical pool levels, about one to four parts
per million. The difference is the source, salt
generator versus liquid table chlorine, not the
sanitizer itself. Most people find salt pools
a bit gentler, the water feels softer, and continuous
low -level generation can mean fewer chloramines,
less smell and irritation if the system is sized
and maintained correctly. Interesting. Okay,
so it's still chlorine. So it still probably
disturbs your microbiome, which sucks. This episode
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open it. It should be open. No, it's not. It's
sealed tight. What do we got in here? A lot of
stuff. So in the movie, you'll see that I came
to the homes of the participants with a big box,
about this big. So this is obviously a very small
part of that. This is just part of your kitchen.
So these are bags that are safe? Oven, freezer,
microwave. It's called zip top. Yeah, they're
silicone. They're made of silicone. Oh, okay.
Yeah. So silicone's okay. Silicone, there is
food grade silicone. Okay. And that is - Like
spatulas. Yeah. And food grade silicone is free
of phthalates and dysphenols. So you can use
that. Oh, this is a lot thicker. This is like
- A lot thicker, yeah. Yeah. And so this is reusable?
Yeah, absolutely. And you just put your food
in the fridge in that instead of in a... So you
can buy these things? This company, Zip Top,
do they make them specifically for that reason?
Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, there's one of many companies
that makes... So this is essentially like a Ziploc
bag, but it's way thicker. Yeah. Kind of cool.
And so they make these larger as well, so you
can... There are a lot of good alternatives for
food storage. Glass, of course, is really good.
And ceramic is really good. It seems so much
better, too, because it's not creating as much
plastic waste since it's reusable. Now, do you
just run this through a dishwasher? Now, what
about dishwashing solvents and detergents and
stuff like that? There's always problems. The
world's filled with problems, Jamie. The pods
are probably not great. Oh, right. Of course,
right? Damn pods. Pods, tea bags, coffee pods,
yeah. Remember when kids were eating Tide Pods?
It's like nature's trying to get rid of some
of the dummies. Okay. So this company. I think
there's two of those in there. Yeah. These are
just little examples, you know. Let's give this
company a shout out. It's called Zip Top. And
I guess they make them all sizes. This is like
sandwich size. Yeah. This is, I guess, a snack
size. And they make them larger, too. And they
seal well, you know. That's another question
that I had about sous vide. There's a lot of
people that cook their food in these sous vide
machines. Really? That's very common. Yeah. I
thought it was kind of high, you know. In restaurants
and stuff? Well, I mean, I know there's consumer
versions of it that I know a lot of my friends
use it. Yeah. They use it for wild game in particular
because you can slow cook. So one of the things
about wild game, it has a very low fat content.
And a lot of people find that it's more tender
if you slowly cook. So let's say if you like
medium rare is like, what is medium rare? Like
135 degrees, I think. So what you would do is
you would take this piece of meat and you would
seal it up in a vacuum sealed container. And
you dunk it in this sous vide machine. And it
keeps the water at 135 degrees. You can cook
it for several hours at 135. And then you sear
the outside of it. Nice. Yeah. And so a lot of
people like that. And it's really good for breaking
down some of the harder stuff like, you know,
the fascia. Gristle, yeah. So is that stuff leaking
chemicals into your food? It has to be, right?
Why? Well, because it's in plastic. You're getting
these vacuum -sealed plastic bags that the food
goes in. Have you seen how sous vide works? You
have to put it in plastic? Yes. Have you seen
how these sous vide things work? No, then it's
bad. Then it sounds just as bad as microwaving
in plastic. Right. So what you do with sous vide
is you season the food. And a lot of times you'll
add like olive oil and things like that to the
outside of it. You couldn't make it out of silicone?
I would imagine you could, right? I don't know.
Let's find that out. Has anybody made silicone
-based sous vide bags? And do these sous vide
bags leach chemicals? I saw a discussion on Reddit
about this, but they didn't really have an answer.
Like they're asking that the temperatures might
not be high enough. I don't know. Yeah. What
are the temperatures that start these chemicals
leaking from the plastics into your water? Because
a lot of times they say don't leave a bottle
of water in your car. That's right. Because your
car can get really hot. So how hot's your car
yet? It doesn't get that hot. It doesn't get,
like, cooking hot. So it's like, what is... But
if the sous vide bags don't have plasticizers
in them, like if they're made of silicone, you
know, food -based... Food... What is it? Food
grade silicone. Yeah, similar. So it says we
use vacuum sealed bags. We're really going through
them right now, even on our early sous vide.
I tried silicone, reusable, and I wasn't happy.
I don't really recall why. I think it was hard
to get stuff in without a mess. Okay, that doesn't
make any sense. Just deal with the mess. We made
a switch to vacuum bags. I love it, but oof,
we use a lot of bags. Okay. Put this into perplexity,
please. Do sous vide bags leach endocrine -disrupting
chemicals into your food when you cook with them?
Let's try that. Sweet. We're learning things.
Yeah. Does it have to be vacuum sealed? Probably,
right, because you don't want water leaking in
there? Yeah, you don't want water leaking in.
I have a machine, and I use this vacuum -sealed
machine. So if I get wild game and then I cut
it up into pieces and then I seal it in these
vacuum -sealed bags to freeze it. Silicone -based
sous vide bags are generally considered safe
for food use and do not significantly leach.
Significantly is a weird word. Leach harmful
chemicals under typical cooking conditions. High
-quality food -grade silicone is inert, BPA -free.
This is silicone, though. Food -grade silicone
shows minimal chemical migration, such as siloxanes.
especially compared to plastics that release
microplastics like BPA. This is a silicone, though.
What was the question that you asked? How did
you phrase it? Well, you were asking about sous
vide bags. Okay, you write silicone -based sous
vide bags. Not silicone -based, just like plastic
sous vide bags. Well, you know they're going
to leak stuff. Let's find out. Regular plastic
sous vide bags. Let's see what it says. Right.
But I want to make sure that it's vacuum sealed
sous vide bags. It should know that we're talking
about sous vide bags here. Regular plastic bags
can be reasonably, I don't like that word, safe
for sous vide if you use the right kind, food
grade, BPA and phthalate free and rated for hot
food. But all plastics can leak some chemicals
and the data specific to sous vide is still limited.
What regular bags are safe? Look for bags made
with polyethylene and or polypropylene that are
labeled food grade and microwave safe. Is there
a plastic that's microwave safe, though? Is that
real? Yeah, these are considered safe with food
up to around 190 to 195 Fahrenheit. brand zipper
bag, Ziploc Glad, are polyethylene BPA and dioxin
free and are commonly used for sous vide at typical
temperatures below 176. Purpose -made vacuum
sealer or boil -in sous vide pouches, that's
what I use, are specifically certified as food
grade for cooking and are the safest plastic
option if you want disposable. So it seems like
it's reasonably safe to do that. A review by
Utah's Department of Health notes that there's
a lack of studies directly measuring chemical
leaching from sous vide bags, but recommends
using FDA -compliant BPA and phthalate -free
plastics, which are not known for estrogen. estrogenic
activity and are considered safe for food contact
okay it says trout see it says there one trout
study found detectable bpa and fish cooked but
the problem is food like here's the problem freshwater
lakes If you're catching a trout in a freshwater
lake, freshwater lakes have horrible levels of
these chemicals in them. And most people do not
recommend eating food from freshwater lakes,
which is so crazy. You think, oh, I'm going to
go catch a fish from a lake. This is going to
be really healthy. It's right from nature. Uh
-uh. No, we've ruined lakes. What is the issue,
put this in, what is the issue with eating fish
from freshwater lakes in America? What are the
health issues? Eating fish from freshwater lakes
in America. We've looked this up before. It's
kind of stunning how much chemicals you get from
a single fish that you would catch. So if you
catch a trout from, you know, a regular lake,
you go to a lake, it looks clean. I can see the
bottom. Everything's fine. No. It's bad for you.
In fact, I know a guy who is friends with someone
who does a lot of fishing tournaments. So he
goes to these fishing tournaments, catches a
lot of fish. He eats a lot of fish, obviously.
And he got horribly, horribly sick because of
heavy metal poisoning. Isn't that terrible? Crazy.
You think you're eating fresh fish that you've
caught yourself. It's got to be good, right?
And it's got to be bad for the fish. Eating U
.S. freshwater fish can expose you to chemical
contaminants like mercury and PFAS, and if eaten
undercooked or raw, to parasites and some bacteria.
Most people can still eat freshwater fish safely
if they follow local advisories and avoid high
-risk groups, pregnant people, young children,
eating too much. Main chemical risks, mercury.
Methylmercury. Nearly all wild fish contain some
mercury, but levels in many U .S. freshwater
fish can be high enough to harm a fetus or a
young child's developing brain and nervous system
if eaten often. That's crazy. PFAS, forever chemicals.
Many U .S. freshwater fish have measurable PFAS
and in some studies show widespread PFAS plus
mercury in fish tissue at levels that pose health
risks for frequent consumers. PFAS exposure has
been linked to changes in liver. and kidney function,
cholesterol, immune response, pregnancy complications,
and increased risk of certain cancers. I don't
know why they haven't mentioned autoimmune. Oh,
they do say immune. Immune response, yes. Yeah,
immune response. Yeah, this guy in Denmark studied
people on the Faroe Islands, which they all eat
fish. They catch them, you know, the Faroe Islands,
and they catch them there. So he looked at the
levels of PFAS, and then he looked at their antibody
response to vaccination down. And so think of
what that means in, you know, like it's time
of COVID or whatever. I want to do an intervention
where we take kids who are getting PFAS -free
school uniforms. Remember I told you PFAS was
in school uniforms? Then when they come in at
age six for their first, you know, grade, they
will have just had their booster. So then we
could get their blood and see if the booster,
you know, antibody levels were lower in the kids
that had the PFAS uniforms versus the clean uniform.
Booster for which vaccines? Mumps, pertussis,
MMP, I think it's called. Okay. Yeah, yeah. And
so it's lower. It's a lower response if your
body's being exposed to these chemicals. So you
would imagine even if you're not, you just lower
response, period, to all immune function based
on this. Right, right. What is these things?
Lufamids. Oh, the lufamids. So you can use them
to scrub your sink or your face. Yeah, or use
them in the shower. Yeah, or in the shower. But
you should use those for your food too. But the
sponges that most people use have a lot of chemicals
in them. Of course. Makes sense. So these are
better. Yeah, they're plastic sponges. And you
get them in hot water and you're scrubbing things.
And some of the stuff probably gets in your plates
and your food and your cooking ware. Yeah, so
that's good. All right, what else we got here?
Beeswrap. That's really nice stuff. What is this
stuff? Actually, you can treat – this is some
kind of paper that's been treated. With beeswax.
So nothing dirty there. And take it out. You'll
see how nice it is. I love this stuff. I have
a lot of it. So you feel the wax. That's the
wax. Oh, okay. So you use that to wrap your food
with. Yeah. And it seals on itself. And you just
rinse it out afterwards. So you don't have to
use saran wrap and, you know, all these. It does
seal on itself. It seems like a form fits around
things. You can put it on an egg or tomato or
anything you want. Well, with my friend Phillip,
I guarantee he eats a lot of sushi. He runs a
sushi place. And if you ever go to a sushi place,
all the fish is wrapped in plastic. Yeah. They're
always wrapped in plastic and then they cut it
open. And so there's exposure to all this stuff.
You should use this stuff. Yeah. Probably has
the same level of sealing as plastic does. Might
be more expensive though. Yeah. What's your health
worth? Right. But it's also reusable, which plastic
isn't. Oh, absolutely. Just wash it. That's the
thing. It's probably economical in the long run
because plastic wrap you don't reuse unless you're
a psycho. And it gets all over the world. Right.
Everywhere. I'm sure you've seen the Pacific
Garbage Patch, which is crazy, right? These are
bags, and these bags are called Wowie. w -o -w
-e right and what is this it's another food storage
you know choice option paper or no no it's um
cloth cloth but clean cloth yeah and she used
this like for bread it's really good bread cookies
you know stuff like that okay yeah we use those
here and so is this all all these different products
listed on your website so people can They're
listed on the Million Marker. There's a card
there to scan the QR code, and you can go to
that. But it would be nice if it was like a one
-stop. So if you scan the QR code, is there a
one -stop shop? People listening to this right
now, can we send them to a website? What website
would that be? I don't know. Look at the card.
This one? Tips for a detox journey? So this is
the QR. So if I scan this right now, it'll take
me there. Yeah. That's my phone. This world that
we live in. We're not ready. Okay. It says the
website is millionmarker .com. Chemical glossary.
So this is the chemical glossary that's on this
card. But it doesn't. Not the products, right?
It doesn't say the products. It says partners.
So there's products on that other website I told
you on Plastic Your Life. On PlasticYourLife
.com. So that's a place where people can go and
see these products. Here it is. So there's three
steps. On PlasticYourLife .com, Action Hub. Protect
yourself. And then it can tell you how to protect
yourself against various things in different
rooms. I have it by rooms, I think. What is this
one, Jamie? This is the same website. I just
already went to the Action Hub. Oh, so when you
go to unplasticyourlife .com, it takes you to
OSP Society. And then go to the Action Hub. Yeah,
it redirects to this website. Got it. And then
go to the Action Hub, protect your family. And
then are the products listed down there? Okay,
yeah. There it is. Okay. Single. Okay. Non -plastic
bags. Steel cookware. Got it. Replace the plastic
cutting boards with wood. So I think some people
use titanium, which is fine too, right? And then
what's above that? Steel single -use drinking
water containers. Never use plastics to store
your food in. Never heat plastics. Save your
skin by selecting personal care products with
natural ingredients such in glass or tin packaging.
Boy. So disturbing. Washing your clothes. Yeah.
By the way, we didn't talk about smell. Smell.
But everything that's fragranced has phthalates.
Of course. And, you know, like you think you're
doing good if you hang that little pine. tree
in your car not good not good and and you plug
in things in the wall that supposed to clean
up your air and you know refresh your air and
so on not good there's ones that are in cars
now like certain cars i think mercedes has one
where you refill it and you can it actually will
spray air freshener through the vents does mercedes
do that I think it's Mercedes, which makes sense.
Luxury. I want to smell like lavender as I'm
driving. Oh, look at me in my luxurious car smelling
lavender, dying of chemical exposure. We asked
women on our study, we said, what do you use?
And then we said, was it fragranced? And anything
where they said it was fragranced, their body
burden of phthalates was higher. Of course. What
about natural deodorants? I don't know. Yeah,
because I use natural deodorant to try to avoid
a lot of that stuff. On the product for it on
the website, it says it's a miscellaneous dangerous
good, I think. What? I don't know what that is.
What? It says miscellaneous dangerous goods.
Maybe it's when they ship it or something. What
are you looking at? The interior of the vehicle
will be fragranced. It says it right there. This
is under Mercedes, under their smell. Aroma system,
Pacific mood. Ooh, I want a Pacific mood. I'm
living on the coast. Fabulous. And it says miscellaneous
dangerous goods, other dangerous substances.
That's crazy that it's labeled that way. The
interior of the vehicle can be fragranced to
suit your own individual preference with the
air balance package. Flak on Pacific mood, lemon
and orange top notes accompanied by a blend of
spices. Ah. But meanwhile, it's probably not
good for you. So what is in there? They're engineered
specifically. They're also subject to rigorous
testing, which means each part comes fully certified.
In the end, you can be sure that your vehicle
will perform up to its potential, mile after
mile. Let's see what this word meant. I don't
know if you want to try this. Whoa. Can you say
that word, doctor? Oh, no. Give far good. I'm
guessing it means miscellaneous dangerous goods.
Why am I not? They're calling it dangerous? That
sounds really crazy. Miscellaneous dangerous
goods. Hazard warnings. This is crazy. But why
would they say that and then you're spraying
it and you're breathing it in? It could be very
well one of those California rules where they
say this building has got... dangerous chemicals
that could cause cancer in people and it has
to be on everything. But it's just weird that
that's in the actual stuff that you breathe in
and smell. I've heard another thing that's really
bad for you is incense. Probably varies with
what's in it. I wouldn't blanket all incense.
I haven't studied that. Let's put that into perplexity.
Because I know candles are bad for you. Scented
candles in particular. Scented, yes. Yes, there's
their aroma again. Yeah. See, one of the things
that phthalates do is they cause something to
hold scent, retain scent. So they're put into
perfume and they're put into makeup and they're
put into, you know, the things you put on your
wall. You know, you want something to smell for
a long time. You're going to use phthalates.
It says burning incense products, smoke and chemicals
that can irritate your lungs, worsen asthma and
allergies, and with heavy long -term use in poorly
ventilated spaces, may increase risks for heart
disease and some cancers. You know, you think
incense, you go over to someone's house, they
do yoga, they eat vegan, they burn incense, they
must be healthy. Right. Long -term health risks.
Repeated long -term exposure daily for years.
Been associated in studies with increased risk
of bronchitis, reduced lung function in children,
and chronic respiratory symptoms in workers heavily
exposed to temple incense. God. Epidemiological
studies, mostly in Asian populations with heavy
daily use, have linked long -term incense exposure
to higher rates of cardiovascular problems. Hypertension,
coronary artery disease, stroke, chronic limb.
What's that word? Ischemia. Ischemia. What's
that mean? What does ischemia mean? It can't
be good. It sounds terrible. What is ischemia?
What is ischemia? Lack of blood flow to part
of a body, usually because of an artery, is narrowed
or blocked. Severe or prolonged, the affected
tissue can be damaged or die. Oh, great. Oh,
wonderful. So you think about incense, you think
like healthy, natural people. Oh, they burn incense.
It sounds lovely. It sounds like they're spiritual.
Oh, incense. I used to love incense. I used to
use it all the time. Thought it was cool. Made
you like, you know, be more peaceful. Incense.
Bad for you. Everything's bad for you. You know
what's bad for you? These straws, if you trip
with them. You know, a lot of people have died.
These are metal straws. Really? They've died
because they're on their phone and they're not
paying attention. They stub their toe and fall
and this thing goes through their eyeball and
they die. Oh, shoot. Yeah. Okay. I won't recommend
that. But also, you could die just falling. I
mean, if you're falling and you're holding a
steel straw, throw it to the side. That's my
advice. So if you want to... Do this little experiment
of one that we're talking about. Okay. And of
one, unless Jamie wants to do it too. Jamie's
in. Look at him. He's down. Then Jenna or somebody
on our team, if you had an hour, half an hour,
I don't know how long it took, call you and say,
ask you, what did you use? What did you use?
What did you use for this, this, this, this?
Right. And then they'll recommend what to change.
Right. I recently underwent, This plasmapheresis
thing. Yeah. And that's supposed to remove a
lot of that stuff from your blood, correct? I'll
tell you what. The next day, I was very tired
that day, like exhausted that day. But the next
day afterwards, I felt like lighter. I felt like,
whoa, this is crazy. I felt like I had more energy.
It was like kind of late at night. I was like,
I'm not tired at all. This is weird. Like I felt
different, you know? So that would be great.
Are you going to do it again? No, I just did
it. I mean, I would do it again, but I just did
it a few days ago. I was just wondering, you
know, if you measured chemicals in your urine
before you did that. I should have done that.
And then after that. I don't have any pee laying
around from before. No. But I could do it now
and maybe I have very low levels and we could
attribute that to it. I haven't done the best
job. Like I said, I did get rid of my plastic
coffee machine at home. I did that about three
or four weeks ago. One of the things it's done
is it's made my morning coffee a lot harder to
get. It's more of like a ritual now because I
use a steel water boiler thing that heats it
up to 200 degrees. And then I have a steel French
press and I grind the beans in a steel thing.
Right. And then I pour the beans in the French
press and it takes 15 minutes rather than 30
seconds. It tastes way better. Well, I'm a big
coffee drinker. I love coffee, but I like it
black. I love the flavor of coffee. Yeah, me
too. I really do. And so it just tastes better.
French press, I think, is the best way to drink
coffee anyway. And so I kind of decided, I'm
avoiding all these microplastics. I don't drink
out of plastic or paper cups. I do all these
different things. Why am I still using a plastic
coffee machine? I look at that thing every morning,
and I was like, yeah, but it's going to give
me coffee right now. So I press the button to
get my coffee right now. Then I was like, that's
stupid. So now I just – I only use something
like this. Yeah. So I'd be interested to see
if maybe I have low levels because I certainly
feel like my body – it felt refreshed, like I
had less inflammation. But that's like a two
-hour procedure. It's a pain in the butt. You've
got to sit there for two hours. You look like
a psycho. I should have taken a photo of what
I looked like while I was doing it because I
was laying there and I had like cords in this
arm and cords in that arm. So I had blood coming
out of that arm and going back into that arm.
It was really kind of nutty. How expensive? I
don't know. Oh. Yeah. I don't know. I'm sure
it's not cheap. Yeah. The benefits of it in terms
of like the people that I know that have done
it said it's a game -changer in terms of your
recovery Market recovery levels much better sleep
Like if you're wearing an aura ring or a whoop
strap or something along those lines you get
much better recovery And I think that's probably
the case with me. I feel pretty good But I do
a lot of stuff. I do a lot of things to maximize
my health. So it's really kind of difficult to
know what's doing what. I just know all in all.
We always say in my field, do one thing at a
time. Right. Of course. If you're doing science.
Yeah. I'm not doing science. I'm doing chaos.
Well, you're doing experiment of one. Yeah. But
it works. All of it together is definitely working.
My body is pretty good. So, you know, you were
mentioning how it's going to be very hard to
get these things regulated. And I just wanted
to point out, we probably talked about this last
time, but, you know, where do these chemicals
come from, these plasticizers? And you probably
know they're made from fossil fuel byproducts,
yes? Yeah. against eliminating them are not only
the manufacturers of the plastic, but it's also
the fossil fuel industry. So that makes it extremely
difficult. Right. Yeah. And it's probably one
of the primary factors in why this isn't discussed,
because it would reduce fossil fuel consumption,
which would affect oil markets, which would affect
the economy. It's big. It's big. Yeah. But, I
mean, the rate at which plastic... Production
is increasing. It's astounding. Yes. And no end
in sight. Well, I don't think you're going to
get the government. to act about this stuff.
I think this has to be done on an individual
level where people are aware of it and take steps
to protect themselves and their family from these
issues. That's my cynical view of how this is
going to be played out. And I'm really hoping,
I know for a fact a lot of people listened to
our last conversation and made some lifestyle
changes. I'm really hoping that now, with this
follow -up visit, More and more people will be
aware of it. And watching the movie. Yes, and
watching the movie. And the movie's called, what's
it called again? The Plastic Detox. The Plastic
Detox. And where is this movie available? In
your house. Right, but is it available on Amazon,
Netflix? It's Netflix. Okay, watch on Netflix.
Netflix is great. There's so many great documentaries
on Netflix. The Hidden Dangers of Plastics in
Our Homes. Six Couples Embark on a Plastic Detox.
Within their homes, it changes their families
forever. The Plastic Detox explains what microplastics
and their chemicals are doing to our health and
how we can take matters into our own hands. From
hormone disruption that's fueling a worldwide
fertility crisis to growing rates of cancer and
early heart attack and stroke, this powerful
documentary reveals the shocking science behind
plastics' impact on human life. Do you want to
see a little trailer? Sure. Let's watch a little
trailer. Put your headphones on. Well, you already
know what it says. I'll listen. chemicals even
the smallest levels of exposure can have profound
effects fertility worldwide is going there you
are and it is tightly linked to chemicals that
are commonly used in plastic you have been trying
to get pregnant for over 10 years now 22 months
two and a half years say what you always call
yourself ah i say you know julie i'm not a human
dildo This is a three -month intervention where
we recruited six couples who have unexplained
infertility. We look at measures of semen quality.
The cutoff for fertile is about 40. You're technically
subfertile, infertile, so that's kind of scary,
right? Yes. The question is, if we lower people's
exposure to chemicals that are in plastic, can
we change their fertility? These chemicals not
only affect your fertility, they also have other
health consequences. These chemicals can contribute
to early heart attacks and stroke, autism, as
well as obesogens. Learning more about plastics,
it's opening my eyes to how much bigger it is.
Many people think the government takes care of
us, but very few chemicals are actually banned
from personal care products, and over 1 ,100
are banned in the EU. To have a child, I believe
it is a fundamental human right. I think you'd
be the best mom ever, and I really want to see
that for you. Plastic doesn't have to come from
a toxic petroleum -based material. We can learn
to do it other ways. It can change, and you can
help with the change. That's another good point
that he just said right there, that plastic doesn't
have to come from petroleum -based materials.
And most people aren't aware of that, but you
can make plastic out of plant compounds, and
it's biodegradable, which is like they make a
hemp plastic. and potatoes yeah potatoes yeah
and probably a bunch of other stuff too right
that you can make plastic out of that doesn't
have these effects right It would be really nice
if we moved in that direction, wouldn't it? Absolutely.
Absolutely. The plant -based plastics have the
cost of raising the plants, of course. There's
that added cost. Right. But does that even compare
to the cost of pulling oil out of the ground
and refining it and then turning it into plastic
through some horrific process that turns the
rivers blue or whatever it does? God knows what
color it turns us into. Right. Just kidding.
Is there a list of garments that people shouldn't
wear? Are you aware of that, the plastic leeching
garments? Well, the only specific ones I know
are, because people have told me about them,
are the sports uniforms, team uniforms. Because
they have a coating on them. Yeah. Is it to make
them more durable is the idea? And probably this
book to die for will have more information. And
I have it and I read it. I'm just so busy, you
know, with this right now. But I'm going to read
it. And then sports uniforms, kids uniforms,
airline personnel uniforms. I think uniforms.
Firefighters. Firefighters are big, big exposure
to these chemicals, too. Right. Yeah. Because
they wear those waterproof. Yeah. Anything with
it. Yeah, that's right. Anything that's waterproof,
stain -proofed. Just like your Teflon pans, you
know, barrier. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. But I don't
know any particular brands. So I'd imagine like
nylon track suits and all those different things.
Yeah, yeah. That'd be terrible for you. I mean,
customers could look for, when they buy these
things, they could look for PFAS -free. Just
like now people know to look for... BPA -free
or, you know, if they could look at PFAS -free,
then they would be avoiding a lot of this. So
go back to the top, please. It says the worst
offenders are synthetic plastic -heavy garments
that are fuzzy, coated, or very tight to the
skin, especially polyester fleece, recycled polyester
fast fashion, and PFAS -coated water, stain repellent,
outerwear, and activewear. Polyester fleece jackets,
blankets, loungewear, extremely high microfiber
shedding. One study found that polyester fleece
shedding orders of magnitude more fibers per
wash than other knits, which estimates around
110 ,000 fibers per garment per wash. This is
both bad for environmental plastic pollution
and for indoor dust and air. Recycled polyester
fast fashion like leggings, tees, dresses, and
sportswear. New testing shows recycled polyester
garments shed more and finer microfibers than
virgin polyester. Interesting. So you think recycled.
Oh, I'm recycling. I'm a good person. No, you're
killing yourself. Increased particle numbers
and potential toxicity. These items are often
cheaply made, shed heavily in washing, and frequently
use intense dyes and finishes. Hot pink. Tight
synthetic sportswear and underwear. Yikes. These
are worn for long periods directly against sweaty
skin and mucous membranes, increasing opportunity
for contact with microplastics and additives
like antimony, phthalates, and PFAS finishes.
Cheap synthetic performance or wrinkle -free
fashion. Stain -resistant, easy -care, anti -odor,
and heavy -print coating garments are more likely
to use chemical finishes that can off -gas. or
leach on top of the base synthetic fiber issues.
Lower concern choices. Okay, not perfect but
generally less problematic for leaching and microplastic
shedding. Undyed or lightly dyed natural fibers
like cotton, linen, wool, hemp, silk without
stain resistant or wrinkle free finishes. Simple
weaves, knits rather than fluffy or brushed surfaces
which shed less. PFAS free rain gear and outdoor
clothing. Brands now often ask, what rain gear
is PFAS -free? That's interesting because I've
always thought that it has to be coded. Right.
A lot of work, a lot of work. What has been the
response to your, first of all, you're releasing
your first book and then coming on podcasts and
talking about this thing. Has it been surprising
to you? What has it been like? It has been kind
of surprising how much interest there is and
how much people are taking this up. And what's
great is there are a lot of nonprofits that are
in the space that are getting out these messages.
So it's not just me, you know, many, many nonprofits.
And then there's the, you know, there's the.
Plastics Treaty, which is worldwide. It didn't
pass, but hopefully it will come back and maybe
next time. And then there's the work that the
EU is doing, which is miles ahead of us. For
example, I think I might have said this before,
but just so in Europe, if you're going to put
a new chemical into commerce, it has to pass
certain tests to be safe. Right. Not here. Right.
So the testing is on you and me and everyone
listening. And, I mean, we haven't really raised
our hand and volunteered for that. Well, I mean,
I don't want this to happen, but I think maybe
what has to happen is these companies have to
get in trouble. Well, some of them have. There
are lawsuits. Are there lawsuits against, like,
outerwear, clothing? I don't know. Yoga pants.
Because yoga pants are a problem, right? Yoga
pants. Yes. Those tight nylon things that a lot
of the gals wear. I don't know where the lawsuits
are. I might at some point get involved in that.
But at this point, I don't know. But I know there
are lawsuits and that they can be effective way
to push back. And by the way, you said we wouldn't
get a federal law. And I think that's. Not for
a long time. But states can do it. California,
for example, is doing lots of good stuff on that.
What are they doing about it? I can't name you
the laws, but I know they're very active. Bonta,
Ron Bonta, he's a district attorney, attorney
general of the state of California. He's very
active. And so the states that have active...
you know, push back, able to get laws passed,
that kind of sets the tone for, you know, for
what's possible. But I don't see us getting federal
pushback very soon. No, it seems like industry
controls the federal government more than the
health and safety concerns of the people, which
is very disturbing, but not too surprising when
you consider a lot of the other things that are
allowed in this country that aren't allowed in
other countries. Like when you show that list
of the chemicals that are illegal in the EU,
that are illegal in America, that's disturbing.
Like we're supposed to be number one. We're number
one. We're number one in chemicals. Number one
in chemicals. Probably. Probably. The response
when you were on this podcast was pretty shocking
for me. So many people reached out to me. A lot
of my friends that watched the episode were like,
I can't believe this. Oh, I have no idea. It
was five years ago. But quite a few of my friends
that, you know, don't reach out with every episode
reached out and said that. is just nuts. Like,
I can't believe this. And especially people with
children and they're concerned about the development
of their children or people who are pregnant
who are concerned with the intake of these chemicals
while they're pregnant, which has a radical effect
on the child's development. Well, if your friends
are listening now, I can tell them that it hasn't
changed much. It hasn't improved much. And we
have to do a lot more. Well, personally and,
you know, I hate to say it, but I think like
I said, I don't think the government's going
to do anything. I think it's got to be up to
individuals to make choices. And I'm really hoping
your documentary has another big impact. One
of the beautiful things about Netflix is that
it's. Even though things get promoted on Netflix,
whenever anything – so many people have Netflix
that whenever anything is good, a lot of people
just start sharing it and start talking about
it and posting about it on social media. And
then next thing, the conversation starts happening
and starts raising awareness. And I really do
hope you're going to go on a bunch of other podcasts
as well and talk about this. Thank you. And there
are showings on Netflix. encourages that and
i'm going actually all over the world talking
at showings now the schedule is like crazy do
you ever think like how crazy it is that you're
this one person that's sounding the alarm because
you kind of are the most public face of this
problem That is a little crazy to me, especially
given where I've come from. What if you didn't
exist? This is the question. Oh, there are many,
many people pushing back. Many, many people.
Right, but I don't know if they're doing it as
publicly as you are and certainly not – I mean
they haven't been on this podcast. There are
many that are. I feel lucky that I've had this
– like speaking to you and your followers and
other podcasts. And then having the opportunity
to have designed this intervention and have worked
with Louis and others on the film team to put
this forward, it's a very big thing. And, you
know, the film costs a lot of money. And we've
had worldwide support for putting this out. So
there's a lot of support behind the pushback.
And we just have to get everybody on board and
just say, no, I'm not going to use that stuff.
Yeah, that's really what has to happen. The conversation
has to increase. The volume has to increase.
More people have to share it and talk about it
and more people have to have you on. And, you
know, we just have to sound the alarm. It's kind
of crazy that five years later nothing's changed
because, like I said, it shook up a lot of people
that I'm friends with. But I didn't hear it from
any other places. Yeah. I mean, I didn't see
you on – did you do any other podcasts after
you did mine? Yeah, I did many. You know Huberman?
Sure. Very well. I was on his – He's great. Yeah,
he's great. And there are – I can't remember
the – yes, a lot of podcasts. But hopefully now
more. I do have more coming up. My schedule is
really kind of crazy. One of the things that's
great is the documentary is easily digestible.
Yes. It's on Netflix. Everything is on Netflix.
You sit down. Okay, let's watch. And then you
go, oh, my God. And then there's all these, you
know, places to go at the end of it to learn
more if people want to do that. I would love
to see it viewed by influencers, not in the typical,
you know, social media sense, but people like
religious leaders, you know, leaders who could
be won over, you know, if you have any ideas,
you know. But I thought about having, you know.
The pope? I mean, it sounds really wild. But,
you know, a lot of people get their – where do
people get their information? From their religious
leaders? From their peers? From their doctors?
By the way, none of this is taught in medical
school. That's crazy. That's crazy right there.
Well, neither is nutrition. Right. Yeah. So,
you know, somebody's got to spend a lot of time
getting that curriculum changed, right? Actually,
you have to get the test changed because the
teaching is to the test. So if we could get this
stuff on the test, there would be more doctors
learning this. But they don't get it. They don't
get it. They learn about lead. That's about all.
Well, there's not a lot of incentive to teach
this stuff. That's part of the problems that
especially these petrochemical companies and
the use of these things is going to affect. So
many different industries, because if you cut
that out and they know, I mean, how much of an
impact is that going to have on the economy?
If everybody just stopped using all these chemicals,
all if all the, you know, Lululemon brands and
I don't want to single them out, but all these
different companies, if they all just went under
tomorrow, it'd be a giant problem if everybody
just stopped using these things. Maybe for a
little while. But then they'd be healthier. Well,
the people would be healthier, but the companies
would go under. Oh, the companies will not be
healthier. No. Unless they make the switch. But
what could they do to make the switch? Well,
you were saying like plant -based plastics. Do
they make plant -based plastic clothing? Does
anybody do that? Like plant -based plastic leggings?
Let's find that out. Does anybody make plant
-based plastic? Used in clothing. Yeah. What
is the primary chemicals that come out? Is it
PFAS? PFAS. Yeah. PFAS -free leggings. Because
I would imagine, especially if you're not wearing
underwear and you're wearing those kind of yoga
tights, that would just get in there, right?
Well, speaking of that, they're looking for it.
They want them to be squat -proof, in quotes,
so they're not see -through. Squat -proof? Yeah,
if there's girls wearing leggings, you know,
they're going to be doing a lot of squats at
the gym probably or something. Squat proof. So
they don't want people to be watching them a
lot. But there are some. I don't know what that
means. Watching them a lot? Dude. Oh, see -through.
Yeah, yeah, they're see -through. But that's
a weird way to say. Squat -proof sounds to me
like you can't do squats in them. Also probably
ripping, I would imagine, too. I think it's just
a bad phrase. You know, like when you do a squat
or downward -facing dog, the fabric stretches
out. You can see some undies through the fabric.
We tested nine different kinds of them. So there's
a few different brands. Oh, the bioplastic. Go
back. There. Yeah, bioplastic. Three primary
categories of non -toxic workout clothes. All
natural or almost all natural. For example, 100
% organic cotton or 90 % cotton, 10 % spandex.
Most semi -synthetic fabric, for instance, 10
-cell fabric. Plant -based plastic, which is
a plastic sourced from something like castor
bean oil instead of fossil fuels. In general,
I'm not a huge fan of plant -based bioplastics.
They are advertised as plastic -free alternatives,
but they're still plastic. And some research
shows that they're not truly non -toxic. I know.
It's disappointing, it says. Here's the honest
-to -God truth. When it comes to performance,
stretchiness, compression, durability, the plant
-based plastics do tend to perform the best.
Huh. Followed by the semi -synthetics. I think
they mean perform the best in terms of stretchiness.
A lot of product categories where non -toxic
options performs just as well as a synthetic
option like shampoo, to give you one example.
It's not really as straightforward with leggings.
At the end of the day, you're going to have to
decide for yourself what kind of material you
prefer. It will largely depend on things like
what type of workouts you do. how you like your
leggings to feel, where you work out, and more.
Okay, my reviews on these nine almost plastic
-free, non -toxic leggings. All right, let's
get to it. It says, what are the ones? So, Mate.
It's a company called Mate. Overall review, they're
the best middle ground leggings. They're not
super high performance. I don't know what that
means. But they're made from healthier materials
and they're very comfortable. They're great for
lower impact workouts, just for general everyday
wearing. Squat test passed but had to size up.
So let's find what the best one is. Do they have
the best one? I don't. So made is one of them.
What are the other ones? Pangaea. Overall review,
find myself reaching for these leggings more
often than any of the others when it comes to
hardcore workouts. Compressive nature of them
makes me feel very held in when I'm jumping around.
They have great stretch. Squat test, pass, material
blend, 92 % polyamide, bio -based EVO, bio -based
content, 8 % part bio -based Creora elastane.
30 % bio -based contact. Will make some different,
closest to conventional synthetics in terms of
fit, feel, stretch, and compression. Okay. Well,
so this website is thefittery .com and forward
slash plastic -free, non -toxic workout leggings.
Go check it out for yourself. So there's some
options that are out there. Hopefully we'll give
those companies a boost and more people will
wear them. Anything else before we get going?
Think we covered it all? I think so. I think
we sounded the alarm. I think we tried again
anyway. Yeah, we did something. Like I said,
I think it's just a volume thing. More and more
of these conversations have to take place so
that in the general zeitgeist, more people are
aware of it and it's just increased awareness
and just makes it where more people are making
better choices. And you're a platformer. huge
that I'm really encouraged to have the opportunity
to talk about this with you and happy to come
back. Well, I'd be happy to have you back. I
loved you the first time. You're great the second
time as well. And for everybody, one more time,
The Plastic Detox. That's the name of the documentary.
It's available right now on Netflix. Go check
it out and fix your life, kids. All right. Thank
you. I really appreciate it. It was really fun.
Thank you. That's great. And I'm really so happy
that you're out there. Because like I said, if
you weren't doing this very important work, I
wouldn't know about it. And I think a lot of
other people wouldn't either. So thank you. So
pee in the cup. I will pee in the cup. I promise
you. I promise you I'll pee in the cup and I'll
send it. And then if you want to do the next
steps, let me know. I will do the next steps
as well. You want to? Okay. So when you're ready
to have another test. Talk to that microphone
so people know what you're saying. So when you're
ready to have another test kit. Or you can go
to Million Marketing and just order one. Okay.
Yeah. Okay. It's $100. All right. We'll do it.
But we'll send it for nothing if you want. Just
let me know. I'll give you the $100. Okay. Okay.
Thank you very much. Appreciate it. All right.
Bye, everybody.