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So, Dave, you were telling me right before the

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show that you are now retiring because you got

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an impromptu phone call and bet hundreds of millions

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of dollars on oil prices going down. Congratulations.

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It was a good bet. It just wasn't timed right.

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I thought you got it in on time. I thought you

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got it in like five minutes early. I did not.

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How is there not a massive investigation into

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that right away? Didn't someone make like $1

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.8 billion in like five minutes? Yeah, there's

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a lot of those. Like trades like that that should

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be investigated that kind of never are. How about,

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what's his name, Lutnik? Yeah, how about that

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one? So he's working for the administration and

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also standing to gain huge if people can sue

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over the tariffs, right? Well, explain the whole

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thing. Do you know the actual details of it?

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No, I don't really know the details. So essentially

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he was telling everybody that, you know, don't

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sweat it. The tariffs are golden. We're getting

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them through. There's going to be no problems.

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Is that what it was? But in meanwhile, he was

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shorting the tariffs? Yes. Yeah, so he was personally

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shorting them while promoting them. Let's find

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out what that actually is so we don't get sued.

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Sure, sure, sure. I bet he's a quite litigious

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gentleman. Yeah, he might be. Let's see if we

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can find it. Like, isn't it wild that people

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are on the files, visit the island, and then

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they still work? It was unbelievable. Some people

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had to resign from some jobs. Well, especially

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just him because he so, the way, there's something

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about a really confident liar. Like where they

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just because I mean that that interview clip

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where he's like, let me tell you something. I

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met Jeffrey Epstein that one time at a massage

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table. He said they were sex massage tables.

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I went right back to my wife and I said, honey.

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we are never hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein

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again. And that is that. Is that really the quote?

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I haven't seen that. I don't know if it's verbatim,

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but that is the exact spirit of it. It's probably

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pretty verbatim. Let's listen to it. Listen to

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it? I'm very, very close to exactly what he said.

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Okay. Let me get this one again. What was this

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one? Let Nick interview about Epstein. And he

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just sounds, I mean, so morally outraged about

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the idea. There's so many people that they exist

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in that world where you just pretend that you're

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a different person. You pretend you're one way.

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You pretend you think things differently. I've

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been up close with people like that. That was

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my takeaway from debating Chris Cuomo. It's a

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weird thing to see someone just lie like that.

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Here it is. Now this is the one that says he's

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the greatest blackmailer ever. Yeah, try to explain

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it to him. It was a... Let me see the keywords

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that would... Downplays relationship with him.

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That might be it. What does he do? He's a commerce

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secretary. He was always like a money finance

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guy. I think he used to work for CNBC, if I'm

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correct. In this administration, this like...

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The wolves have taken over the hen house. Yeah.

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Yeah, they sure have. This is what draining the

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swamp looks like. Under fire for Epstein ties,

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Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick defends visiting

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his private island. Yeah, but this isn't the

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clip. The clip was from... Oh, at the top it

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says, Lutnick said in an interview last year

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he was never in the room with Epstein other than

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a 2005 visit to his apartment. Okay, so that's

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probably it. He said... You know, he met him

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once and was like, this guy sucks. He specifically

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says that he met him, that he saw he had a massage

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table in his living room. And he goes, hey, Jeffrey,

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what do you, you really like massages? And he

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claims that Jeffrey went, yeah, and the right

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kind of massages. And that's when he decided

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he would never talk to him again. Nobody likes

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the right kind of massages. Those are terrible.

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Imagine if those were legal, just hand job massages.

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There'd be no relationships. How many people

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are in terrible relationships just because they

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need sex? There's a lot of guys who'd be like,

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I'm just going to hang out with the boys, just

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get jerked off once on Wednesday, and I'm good.

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Howard Lending downplays relationship with Epstein

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during Senate testimony. Testimony, I don't know.

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Is this it? No, this is from recently. This is

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from this year. I did find an article that kind

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of, I don't even know what this website is, though.

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I don't know. His old firm did not, in fact,

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profit from the Supreme Court tariff ruling.

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It says that there was an article claiming it,

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and then I was trying to dig through this. We

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better edit that out then. I mean, it was reported,

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though, that they did, but I don't know what

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this says. It says the firm is run by his two

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sons. Elder Lutnick announced the sale of the

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stake in the firm and other investors to the

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Supreme Court on Friday, invalidated many of

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Trump's tariffs. The president said, okay, Castor

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did not consider the product, which has existed

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for years, was humming trade on Wall Street's

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Trump first term tariff push, but decided against

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it after weighing the political sensitivities.

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According to a senior banker familiar with this

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matter, Cantor spokesman said the salesman erroneously

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believed the firm was likely to green light the

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business. Okay, I'm missing this. I'm not exactly

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sure what they're saying here. This is just the

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legality of tariffs they're discussing now. Tariff

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refund rights. So what was the accusation? The

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accusation was that he had shorted tariffs while

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claiming that tariffs are going to work. Yeah,

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the accusation was that he stood to make a lot

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of money from tariffs being struck down. Why

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don't you put that into perplexity, Jamie, and

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find out if that's accurate, and let it scour

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the internet instead of us doing it. God, I love

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AI. Yeah, it is something. I can't wait until

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it takes over government. It's going to be awesome.

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After a while, you're like, I don't know if it

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could be much worse than what humans are doing

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with government. It's going to be better. It's

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not going to be greedy. Well as long as it determines

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that human life is valuable. I feel like is really

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the big humans Let's be honest. You know some

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homeless guys taking a shit on your Jaguar. I

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really okay valuable Yeah, but yeah, but to AI

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we all might be homeless guys taking you see

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that there was these San Francisco tech guys

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And they got trapped in their Waymo because a

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homeless guy started attacking the Waymo and

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yelling at them Why are you paying robots? No.

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Yeah, you're a traitor. You're paying robots.

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You're paying the robots. The homeless guy was

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upset about this? The homeless guy was attacking

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the Waymo. The tech guys were in the Waymo. We

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were terrified for our life. We feared our safety

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because they're being attacked by a crazy person

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who's saying you shouldn't be giving money to

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robots. That's an uncomfortable position to be

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in. I get all my information from the Tim Dillon

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Show, by the way. But they did play a clip. It's

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not the worst source of information. It's the

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best source. Him and that dude, what's his name?

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James Lee. He's our other number one source of

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information. Conspiracy theorist. There you go.

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There you go. But another one, a Waymo gal got

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in, and there's a fucking homeless guy in the

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trunk. Because apparently the last person, when

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they left their Waymo, they opened the trunk

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to get their luggage out, and they never closed

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it. So the homeless guy hopped into their fucking

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Waymo. And closed it on himself. It was in the

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trunk. So she orders a Waymo. She climbs in.

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There's a homeless guy in the trunk. And Waymo's

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like, that's unacceptable. Oh, you think? Oh,

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you think? Okay. The main claim is that Cantor

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Fitzgerald, Howard Letnick's former firm now

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chaired by his son, stood to profit by buying

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tariff refund rights that only. became of became

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valuable if trump's tariffs were overturned but

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the firm insists it ultimately did not execute

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those trades what critics say happened investigators

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and reporter reporting notably by wire described

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canter fitzgerald exploring a business where

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it would buy the rights to future tariff refunds

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from importers for about 20 30 cents on the dollar

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Internal materials cited in those reports suggested

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Cantor had capacity to trade several hundred

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million dollars of these refund rights and had

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already facilitated at least one trade of around

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$10 million in rights under the IEEPA tariffs.

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The idea was that if courts later struck down

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the tariffs, the government would have to refund

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duties and Cantor or its clients would collect

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the full refund while the original importers

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only kept a small upfront payment. So why is

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it seen as a conflict? Is it true? So it just

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said that they executed on one, right? Didn't

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it say that? Scroll back up. That was based off

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that email. Yeah. It says internal material cited

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in those reports suggested Cantor had capacity

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to trade and had already facilitated at least

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one trade of around $10 million in rights. That's

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only $10 million. Let it go, Dave. That is small

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potatoes for what we're talking about. For those

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guys. Yeah, these kind of guys. Uh -huh. What

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Cantor and Letnick's side say. Cantor Fitzgerald

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has publicly stated that while some salespeople

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explored, I like that in quotes. Brokering tariff

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refund rates in 2025, the firm never executed

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any transactions or taken any position on tariff

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refund claims, calling contrary reports false.

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Follow -up recording has echoed that Cantor considered

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products tied to the Supreme Court tariff ruling,

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but ultimately backed off, in part because of

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the political optics, duh, that's a big duh,

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around Letnick's government job. Latest coverage

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is no public evidence that Cantor actually booked

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profits from this strategy, though the investigations

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in Congress are ongoing and focus on whether

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there was any attempted or potential profiteer.

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Are you more interested in the ethics conflicts

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of interest or the nuts and bolts of how the

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secondary tariff refund market works financially?

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No. So it seems like we don't really have evidence.

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Well, it'll be interesting. I mean, if which

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is probably going to happen. But the Democrats

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take the House and the Senate in the midterm

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elections this year. I mean, they're going to

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be in that'll just be the next two years of politics

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will be investigations and some Democrat lady

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just over. She just took over the seat. in Trump's

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neighborhood where Mar -a -Lago is. So a Democrat

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lady just won. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean,

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look, they in his first term, they impeached

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him twice for absolute bullshit. So they'll go

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after him for anything. But I have a feeling

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now there's probably a lot more for them to investigate

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and work on stuff like this and the meme coin

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stuff and, you know, whatever business deal.

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You know, I don't I don't have the details. At

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the top of my mind, but I do know that they said

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at one point that Jared Kushner would not be

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involved in this administration at all because

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he does so much business over there and it's

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just like so they were like oh no no he won't

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but now he totally is it's him and Witkoff are

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like the lead negotiators in this too so So just

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a lot of meat on the bone for Democrats to make

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big political theater out of for the next two

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years Is there any where that's not corrupt?

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I mean when we look at the insider trading in

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congress when you look at all these slimy deals

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that get made with ngos you look at every it's

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like everything's dirty there's not one part

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of government like right there they nailed it

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yeah well that is true like maybe the post office

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that's i mean post office is pretty fucking good

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dude yeah compared to all the rest of it sure

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get us a letter moved across the whole country

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for like what is it like 30 cents how much is

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a stamp these days that's true I mean, I don't

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know if you include the cost on the back end,

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like the taxes that pay for the whole thing.

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Maybe it's a little more expensive. But relatively

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speaking, yeah. Relatively speaking. You can

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get, you know, something done. It's not a bad

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organization. Sure. In terms of government organizations,

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you never hear, except going postal. That used

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to be a thing. Remember those days? Yes, I do.

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It was a while. Like where so many post officers

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went so crazy and started shooting people that

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they started calling it going postal, but it

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never, it just went away. Yeah. Young people,

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if you're listening to this and you don't know

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what we're talking about in our day, we didn't

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have school shootings. Okay. We had to do it

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the old fashioned way. You had to drive a postman

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crazy until he went around shooting people. And

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it happened several times to the point that that

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became a thing. Like these crazy postal workers.

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There was a video game called postal. Well, you

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run around shooting people. It was in the, I

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want to say the 90s. Yeah, that would be about

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the time period. The first one came out in 97.

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Yeah, yeah. And it was like highly criticized.

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They were like, weren't they like cartoon looking

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characters? Can you see if you pull up a video

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of Postal? It was like, they're like South Park

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looking characters, just blasting people. So

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it felt like less, if I remember correctly, or

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maybe that's the box. I never played it. Maybe

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I played it. Oh, this is new stuff. This is going

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postal? No. Pissing everywhere. This looks way

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better than 1990s. This was in the 90s for sure.

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Is this the new postal? Here's what it looked

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like. That might have been a newer version right

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there. Oh, Jesus. You just run around jacking

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people. Yeah. So it was like the first Grand

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Theft Auto, really. Kind of. I mean, Grand Theft

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Auto came out around then, too, actually. It

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didn't look like this then, though. But real

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weird, though, right, that post office workers

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were just killing a bunch of people. That's what

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it looked like. Like that. Okay. This is what

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it looked like. It didn't look like that other

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thing. It wasn't a first -person thing. It was

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like you're seeing it from above and you're just

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running around killing everybody. I played a

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postal, though, that wasn't first -person like

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that. Maybe they had more versions of it. Also,

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I don't want to show it because I don't know.

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There could be some bad stuff on there. Yeah,

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probably. Dude, video games really are like crack.

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I love problem. I loved your, you had a rant

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about that years ago about how like the problem

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is that there's so much fun and you're not accomplishing

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anything. So the last video game I got into was

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a UFC three and I loved that game. I just loved

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it. And then like, I think it was, I got married,

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my wife got pregnant and I was like, all right,

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I gotta get rid of this. I just can't. So I was

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at, um, the, the dojo of comedy. It was a club

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in New Jersey. Great club. Um, they have a LA

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one too. Oh, do they? Sam Tripoli. Oh, yeah.

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Shout out to Sam. Yeah. So I was at the one in

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Jersey, and they have in the green room, they

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have UFC 3. And I was like, oh, that's the game

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that I got really into. So I was there for a

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weekend, and I mean, I just, the whole time I

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was there, just in the green room playing this

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video game. And I was like, it was like a feeling

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almost like. like a drug addict who's around

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their drug of choice where I was like, I need

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to be away from that. Like, I will play this

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until I kill myself. It's so much fun. It's a

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problem. Robbie Lawler fighting, you know, whoever

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and just, and they keep getting better. Yeah,

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I know. Well, I didn't, I stopped at that. So

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I never even like learned how to play the new

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ones, but I'm like, I can't. What number UFC

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game are they at now? Five, I think. Five. The

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graphics keep getting better. The movement keeps

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getting more natural. Yeah. And first -person

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shooters, man. Oh, my God. They're so good now.

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Was it Joe Lozon, I want to say? What was the

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guy, 155 guy, really good grappler? Wasn't his

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thing like he was obsessed with video games,

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and then he went, I got to just do something

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else instead of this, so he just did jiu -jitsu?

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And then he just got amazing at jiu -jitsu? I

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swear I think that was his story. Is that really

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what happened? I could be misremembering this,

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but I swear I heard him talk about this in an

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interview once, and that it was just like, I

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just played video games all day, all night, and

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then eventually I was like, I got to do something

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productive with this, and so he just started

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doing jiu -jitsu instead. I wonder what he's

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up to these days. He was a fun guy. He was a

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fun fighter to watch. Fun dude, like, in person,

00:16:06.860 --> 00:16:08.980
too. Him and his brother used to beat the fuck

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out of each other on the yard, like in the front

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yard. They would have, like, full -on MMA fights,

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like full power. They'd just beat the piss out

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of each other in the front yard. I was like,

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boys. Save it. Like, whale on each other. It's

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crazy. That's a young man's game. They had, like,

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a bunch of guys hanging around. It looked like

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it was a picnic or something like that. They

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decided, let's spice this picnic up. You and

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me fight, motherfucker. And they would fight.

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Like, fight, fight. But all across this country,

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there are... boys fighting in their yard, and

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that was of the highest level of yard fighting.

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I mean, that was top 1%. Oh, that was vicious.

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Two, like, legit MMA professionals. Yeah, two

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legit MMA professionals are mad at each other

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because they're in the house with each other

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all the time. Shut the fuck up. You didn't fucking

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do that. You were supposed to put that shit away.

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Yeah, yeah. That was, uh... You ate my food.

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Yeah. They both ended up being real fun fighters

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to watch, though. Oh, yeah. Yeah, Joe was awesome.

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He was a great fighter. Yeah, he had a lot of

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fights in the UFC, too. Yep. And I think it got

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to, you know, how many years was he in? God,

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I want to say he was at least in the UFC for

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like around a decade. Yeah, he had a pretty long

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career. Yeah. Because he was fighting, I mean,

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he fought. I don't know. I mean, he fought, like,

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the whole, like, I think when he started was,

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like, BJ Penn era of lightweight. And then he

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fought into, like, Anthony Pettis was the champion.

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Yeah, but pull up Lozon's Wikipedia. Find out

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when he retired. His first fight was September

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23, 2006. And I think his last fight was 2019.

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Wow. That's crazy. 2019. Some of these guys just

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don't want to stop. It's just too fun. It's a

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very hard job to keep going for a while. Maybe

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the hardest. Yeah. You know, like on your body.

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Oh, yeah. Other than football. There's a lot

00:18:07.450 --> 00:18:09.329
of those guys in the NFL. They only last a couple

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of years. Yeah, for sure. This episode is brought

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.com to find a store near you. No, I mean, that's

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a real tough one, but there's nothing. Well,

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I guess. I guess like professional football,

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there's a similar aspect to where like you're

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not just I mean, look, you can go to the hospital

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from basketball. You know, you can get hurt and

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get a bad injury. But the NFL or the UFC, you

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kind of like, you know, every time you go into

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it, like there's a very reasonable chance you're

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leaving here on a stretcher to go to the hospital.

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But particularly with MMA, it's the most unforgiving

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sport where like you you're one mistake. One

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mistake away from like, you know, like if LeBron

00:19:23.779 --> 00:19:26.319
James misses a wide open layup, he runs back

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on defense and tries to, you know, get a block

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or something on the next play. But in MMA, you

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could be dominating, fighting a perfect fight,

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make one mistake, and it's like, okay, you're

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unconscious now. Leon Edwards, Kamaru Usman.

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Perfect example. Yep. Kamaru's way ahead in the

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fight. It's in the fifth round. I think there's

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like 20 seconds to go or something crazy. And

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Leon just plants one, a perfect head kick. And

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John Anik makes the perfect call. Something had

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been said about him maybe deciding to quit, and

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then John Anik says, but that is not the cloth

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from which he was cut. Boom, head kick knockout.

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It's like, come on, man, is this real? One of

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the most amazing. MMA championship knockouts

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ever Oh ever ever and then just as his post fight

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speech. Look at me now Look at me And then comes

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back and wins the rubber match. Yeah, which was

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like it's an interesting thing How much you know,

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like well first off like getting knocked out

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cold like that and you know better than me But

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like that does a number to your body like that's

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not you're not logically well psychologically

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and also I think physically And then also just

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like the confidence that that gave Leon Edwards

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going into the next fight. Right. Like just changes

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everything now. Yeah. Kamara had to be very careful

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because he knew at any – I mean – he dodged most

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of the big ones until the big one landed. So

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in his head, in that fight, he had a narrative.

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And that narrative completely changed with one

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head kick. So going into the next fight, the

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narrative is now, if you fuck up, you will be

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unconscious. You can't get knocked unconscious

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again. And he fought much more cautiously in

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the second fight. I remember seeing that with,

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I felt like you could watch that when Dustin

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Poirier fought Conor McGregor the second time.

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Like, you know, McGregor had knocked him out

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years earlier and you could kind of see, you

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know, like you could see Dustin. I'm not saying

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like he was nervous or anything. He's like one

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of the greatest fighters ever. But you could

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kind of just see like he gets in there and he

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starts and he takes a couple shots from Connor

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and he's still there, you know, and then he lands

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a couple shots. And you could see like in that

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first round, like his confidence growing, like

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you almost got to get that out of your head that

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it's like, yeah, that guy beat you there. Back

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then, but you're a different guy now. Well, with

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Conor, it's all about weathering the initial

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storm. The initial storm is crazy. He's so explosive,

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so fast, so accurate. And then another part about

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that second fight was Dustin setting up those

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calf kicks, specifically because both of those

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guys fight southpaw. And when you both fight

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southpaw, if you're a southpaw like Dustin, a

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lot of times the calf kick's not really available.

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Like you have to throw it with a switch. Or it

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doesn't have the same sort of potential. It's

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a slightly different potential when you're exchanging

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it in combinations. But with Conor, it was wide

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open because Conor has two things going on. One,

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he's a southpaw. He had just gotten off the Floyd

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Mayweather fight. He's very boxing heavy. Not

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just, but a while back. But he had really concentrated

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on striking with his hands. His hands were elite.

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So because of that, your stance is a little wider

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and you're putting a little bit more weight on

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your legs. And he always had a wide stance anyway.

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He had that karate stance. The craziest thing

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about that is the calf kick really didn't become

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a big deal even until Conor was a superstar.

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It was after that. That's how recent it is. Yeah,

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it's very strange that that was almost like a

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thing that didn't get figured out until so recently.

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And then just totally changed everything. Like,

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at this point, you rarely, not saying you never

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see it, but you pretty rarely see guys kick guys

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in the thigh anymore. Oh, they still do. No,

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but I mean, like, compared to what it used to

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be, where it used to be like, that was what a

00:23:10.490 --> 00:23:13.230
leg kick was. Yes. For many years in MMA. And

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now it's, I'd say. the majority of leg kicks

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are targeting the calf. You'll see almost like

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a thigh kick, almost just to switch it up a little

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bit. This guy's got really good at taking those.

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Yeah, he got really good at being conditioned,

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and we also saw a few leg breaks. We saw the

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Anderson Silva one. We saw the Chris Weidman

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one. There's been a few leg breaks from guys

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just full power, leg kicking the thigh, and then

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someone just lifts up their knee a little bit

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and takes it on the right where the shin bone

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meets the kneecap is where they like to catch

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it. And, boy, I've seen way too many of those.

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I've seen a bunch in person, but because of the

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internet, I've seen. Dozens and dozens of small

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promotions where a guy throws that kick wrong

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really hard and the guy checks it and is fucking.

00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:03.500
foot just wraps around the leg and you see it

00:24:03.500 --> 00:24:06.220
dangling there. You're like, oh no. I've seen

00:24:06.220 --> 00:24:08.819
a bunch. I can recognize the thing. Like that

00:24:08.819 --> 00:24:12.019
injury is so recognizable. Like I've seen it

00:24:12.019 --> 00:24:14.099
so many times now. I see it. I just go, oh, it's

00:24:14.099 --> 00:24:16.619
going to wrap around the calf. It's going to

00:24:16.619 --> 00:24:18.859
flop. He's going to fall down. I've seen it several

00:24:18.859 --> 00:24:21.819
times on internet videos and in UFC fights. I've

00:24:21.819 --> 00:24:24.799
only once seen a guy continue to talk shit about

00:24:24.799 --> 00:24:27.619
the other guy after from the ground, which is

00:24:27.619 --> 00:24:30.150
the craziest shit ever, dude. Everyone else I've

00:24:30.150 --> 00:24:32.990
seen is like crying in pain. And Connor's talking

00:24:32.990 --> 00:24:34.890
about it. Your wife's like whatever. Your wife

00:24:34.890 --> 00:24:37.349
sent me DMs. Jesus Christ. Yeah, he asked me

00:24:37.349 --> 00:24:39.650
to come and sit down with him and do a podcast.

00:24:41.650 --> 00:24:44.349
He's an animal. I mean, the dude's one of a kind.

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He's one of a kind. That's for sure. He apparently

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made a post on his Instagram saying he's back.

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And if it's true, that would be awesome. That

00:24:53.349 --> 00:24:55.670
would be awesome. The idea is his suspension

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for whatever he took before is up. So, yay. What

00:25:01.849 --> 00:25:05.069
was it? Something, I think it was Douglas Murray

00:25:05.069 --> 00:25:06.609
when he wrote that article about me. There it

00:25:06.609 --> 00:25:11.269
is. He said, Mr. Confidence returns to save fighting

00:25:11.269 --> 00:25:15.009
again. Call your grandma. Nanny, we did it. Watch

00:25:15.009 --> 00:25:18.670
and pay me. Fuck you, pay me. You fat Irish prick.

00:25:18.750 --> 00:25:20.970
You don't have my money. I put your brain to

00:25:20.970 --> 00:25:23.670
sleep. Who's that? What's that about? Who's he

00:25:23.670 --> 00:25:26.730
talking about? C is in the casinos after the

00:25:26.730 --> 00:25:30.789
Mac loves yous all. I got love for yous. It's

00:25:30.789 --> 00:25:34.309
an all. It's an honor. It's light work. It's

00:25:34.309 --> 00:25:37.650
easy for life and eternity. It's McGregor. How

00:25:37.650 --> 00:25:42.170
drunk was he when he wrote this? I do this fight

00:25:42.170 --> 00:25:44.809
game. Easy peasy. The sound of my shots off the

00:25:44.809 --> 00:25:51.130
head go bing in green dot laser form. Okay. Well,

00:25:51.190 --> 00:25:56.230
I really hope he is actually back. I hope it's

00:25:56.230 --> 00:25:58.789
true. It'd be fun to see him fight a few more

00:25:58.789 --> 00:25:59.970
times. It'd be a lot of fun. It'd be a lot of

00:25:59.970 --> 00:26:01.250
fun to see him again. Greatest personality the

00:26:01.250 --> 00:26:02.549
sport's ever known. Yeah, that's right. There's

00:26:02.549 --> 00:26:05.529
no one even close. I mean, he's the most dynamic

00:26:05.529 --> 00:26:08.329
personality the sport's ever known. And he was,

00:26:08.549 --> 00:26:13.430
for a time there, just such an unbelievable fighter.

00:26:13.450 --> 00:26:15.890
I mean, he was like just, it was incredible what

00:26:15.890 --> 00:26:18.400
he was doing. Danny Alvarez fight. Oh, yeah.

00:26:18.440 --> 00:26:20.420
I was there. I was there. Well, thanks to you.

00:26:20.779 --> 00:26:22.539
Really good. Really good seats. Thanks to you.

00:26:22.660 --> 00:26:25.160
But that was that was one of the best. That might

00:26:25.160 --> 00:26:27.140
be the best fight I've ever been to live because

00:26:27.140 --> 00:26:29.460
that whole card was just stacked. And that is

00:26:29.460 --> 00:26:31.720
the main event was just unbelievable. He was

00:26:31.720 --> 00:26:34.960
in the Matrix. Yes. In the Matrix. He was just

00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:38.359
in the zone. You know, Dana said it best. He's

00:26:38.359 --> 00:26:41.359
like that kid eats pressure. He goes, he eats

00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:43.720
it. Yeah. Like he thrives on pressure, pressure

00:26:43.720 --> 00:26:46.259
that makes other people wilt. He like shines

00:26:46.259 --> 00:26:49.019
under that pressure. And he had an amazing ability

00:26:49.019 --> 00:26:51.859
even very early in his career, which was like

00:26:51.859 --> 00:26:53.920
kind of, it was really unique. Like, cause even

00:26:53.920 --> 00:26:56.160
like on his first fight ever, if you watch his

00:26:56.160 --> 00:26:58.859
first fight in the UFC against like Brimage,

00:26:59.019 --> 00:27:01.920
I think the guy's name is. And he was a relatively

00:27:01.920 --> 00:27:05.819
unknown at the time. But dude, the place is going

00:27:05.819 --> 00:27:08.059
nuts. He already had made so much kind of like

00:27:08.059 --> 00:27:10.660
street cred for himself. And then the Irish thing,

00:27:10.759 --> 00:27:12.839
like the Irish were really, really into it. But

00:27:12.839 --> 00:27:15.319
from the very first fight, he would always create

00:27:15.319 --> 00:27:17.619
these moments where it's like, dude, this is

00:27:17.619 --> 00:27:20.440
going to be the biggest spectacle that you, my

00:27:20.440 --> 00:27:22.480
opponent, has ever been in in their career. Like

00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:24.599
I'm going to get you mad with shit talking. I'm

00:27:24.599 --> 00:27:26.859
going to get the fans so excited because he's

00:27:26.859 --> 00:27:29.180
completely comfortable there. Like I'm not sure

00:27:29.180 --> 00:27:32.160
if you're really comfortable here. And even with

00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:36.089
Aldo. who had been the entire division. Literally,

00:27:36.430 --> 00:27:37.950
when they started the division, they started

00:27:37.950 --> 00:27:39.930
him as champion. He didn't even win it. He came

00:27:39.930 --> 00:27:43.210
in because they absolved the WEC. So he was the

00:27:43.210 --> 00:27:46.049
entire featherweight division, had just dominated

00:27:46.049 --> 00:27:48.750
everyone, and he even created such a moment that,

00:27:48.769 --> 00:27:52.190
like, Aldo was like... He was the boogeyman.

00:27:52.750 --> 00:27:54.869
Yeah, dude. He was incredible. He was one of

00:27:54.869 --> 00:27:56.930
the greatest featherweights of all time. But

00:27:56.930 --> 00:27:59.710
he got him to the point where he was so furious

00:27:59.710 --> 00:28:01.630
that he was like, I'm going to take this fucking

00:28:01.630 --> 00:28:03.890
guy's head off. And then Connor's just relaxed.

00:28:04.630 --> 00:28:06.890
He didn't care about any of the shit talking.

00:28:07.009 --> 00:28:08.990
He was just like, yeah, we're having fun. Let's

00:28:08.990 --> 00:28:11.829
play. He lost his composure. Yeah, and he looked

00:28:11.829 --> 00:28:15.089
very overwhelmed by the moment. Oh, and by the

00:28:15.089 --> 00:28:18.849
way. Everyone from Ireland came to Vegas for

00:28:18.849 --> 00:28:21.289
that fight. It was the nuttiest thing I've ever

00:28:21.289 --> 00:28:24.269
seen in my fucking life. The entire Mandalay

00:28:24.269 --> 00:28:29.069
Bay was overcome with Irish people. I mean, overcome

00:28:29.069 --> 00:28:32.309
like you couldn't move. There was nothing but

00:28:32.309 --> 00:28:34.410
Irish people everywhere, and they were singing.

00:28:34.730 --> 00:28:38.210
They were all singing together in the halls of

00:28:38.210 --> 00:28:42.019
this gigantic casino. Act bump like they're waiting

00:28:42.019 --> 00:28:44.599
in line for something and they were just there

00:28:44.599 --> 00:28:47.559
partying for Connor I remember I think it was

00:28:47.559 --> 00:28:49.119
when I want to say it was when I go to all these

00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:51.539
people Yeah, it was nuts, bro. This is nuts man.

00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:54.440
They're all Irish people like you got to realize

00:28:54.440 --> 00:28:58.859
Nobody had a following like him Like it this

00:28:58.859 --> 00:29:01.460
is actually Irish people for the Floyd Mayweather

00:29:01.460 --> 00:29:03.700
fight They were still ride -or -die with him

00:29:03.700 --> 00:29:05.680
even for that fire room. I think it was when

00:29:05.680 --> 00:29:08.180
he fought Dennis Seaver I want to say and I think

00:29:08.180 --> 00:29:11.460
I was in Boston so I went to I went with Louis

00:29:11.460 --> 00:29:14.380
J Gomez my good friend hilarious comedian And

00:29:14.380 --> 00:29:18.650
he me and him went to some Irish bar We just

00:29:18.650 --> 00:29:20.529
happened to be in midtown Manhattan and we were

00:29:20.529 --> 00:29:21.829
like, oh, the fights are coming on. Oh, they're

00:29:21.829 --> 00:29:23.970
playing it at this bar. It was just like an Irish

00:29:23.970 --> 00:29:26.450
pub. And dude, I mean, it wasn't even that big

00:29:26.450 --> 00:29:29.490
of a bar. They must have, I mean, it was shoulder

00:29:29.490 --> 00:29:33.210
to shoulder Irish people losing their fucking

00:29:33.210 --> 00:29:36.269
minds. It was the most fun environment to watch

00:29:36.269 --> 00:29:38.470
a fight in because they're just at, I mean, they're

00:29:38.470 --> 00:29:41.009
just like, but all that singing and chanting.

00:29:41.109 --> 00:29:43.369
It seemed like everyone had an Irish flag with

00:29:43.369 --> 00:29:46.710
them. It was this in a little bar. It was this.

00:29:47.339 --> 00:29:50.259
That's nuts, man. Look at that. That's Mandalay

00:29:50.259 --> 00:29:55.740
Bay. Wow. Look at this. Oh, that's MGM. Well,

00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:57.559
they were everywhere. They were probably at every

00:29:57.559 --> 00:30:04.960
fucking casino there was. This is crazy. Imagine

00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:11.849
if you're from Northern Ireland. And you still

00:30:11.849 --> 00:30:16.990
remember the troubles. You make your way to the

00:30:16.990 --> 00:30:19.250
hotel. Just came to Vegas for a little gambling.

00:30:19.289 --> 00:30:22.109
You don't follow MMA. You have no fucking idea.

00:30:22.210 --> 00:30:26.130
What's this all about? I have picked the wrong

00:30:26.130 --> 00:30:31.190
fucking week for me vacation. By the way, I was

00:30:31.190 --> 00:30:33.690
going to say that. Douglas Murray's big knock

00:30:33.690 --> 00:30:35.470
on me when he wrote his op -ed in the New York

00:30:35.470 --> 00:30:38.309
Post was he goes, Dave goes on Joe Rogan and

00:30:38.309 --> 00:30:40.130
he talks about foreign policy like he's an expert,

00:30:40.250 --> 00:30:42.190
but I bet he wouldn't go in there and talk MMA

00:30:42.190 --> 00:30:43.950
with him because then Joe would recognize he's

00:30:43.950 --> 00:30:46.190
not an expert. And I was like, we do that all

00:30:46.190 --> 00:30:48.390
the time. We do that every show we do. That's

00:30:48.390 --> 00:30:50.809
so stupid. I was like, almost every time we hang

00:30:50.809 --> 00:30:54.650
out, we end up talking MMA. It probably is fair

00:30:54.650 --> 00:30:56.269
that, yeah, there'll be moments where you'll

00:30:56.269 --> 00:30:58.490
correct me if I get something wrong. So what?

00:30:58.670 --> 00:31:00.789
But if I get it right, you don't go, you're not

00:31:00.789 --> 00:31:02.970
an expert. That's so dumb. Imagine we don't talk

00:31:02.970 --> 00:31:05.349
about MMA because you're not an expert. That's

00:31:05.349 --> 00:31:08.289
so silly. Well, I watch a lot of it. I have some

00:31:08.289 --> 00:31:10.589
thoughts. Why is he so silly? I love Douglas.

00:31:10.769 --> 00:31:12.789
I really do. I've enjoyed talking to him. I think

00:31:12.789 --> 00:31:14.890
he's a brilliant man. But I was very disappointed

00:31:14.890 --> 00:31:18.289
with... You've never been? I'm very disappointed

00:31:18.289 --> 00:31:20.910
with that sort of strategy, that you shouldn't

00:31:20.910 --> 00:31:22.569
be talking about these things that are factual.

00:31:22.829 --> 00:31:24.690
But even more disappointing with that notion,

00:31:24.789 --> 00:31:27.029
the notion that you would never talk about MMA

00:31:27.029 --> 00:31:31.869
with me. First of all, I don't think I argue

00:31:31.869 --> 00:31:35.250
about MMA with anybody. I don't think anybody.

00:31:35.430 --> 00:31:39.109
If someone has a point about MMA, I never argue.

00:31:39.549 --> 00:31:41.750
I might say I disagree. You've corrected me when

00:31:41.750 --> 00:31:43.710
I've gotten things wrong. Yeah, or I might say

00:31:43.710 --> 00:31:46.390
I disagree. Some people think that a certain

00:31:46.390 --> 00:31:47.829
thing is going to happen, and I'm like, ooh,

00:31:47.930 --> 00:31:52.579
I don't see that. I disagree. That happens. sure

00:31:52.579 --> 00:31:57.119
yeah but well also like it's whatever point you're

00:31:57.119 --> 00:31:59.279
making is either a good point or it's not a good

00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:01.789
point if it's like an objective claim you know

00:32:01.789 --> 00:32:04.250
what i mean so like if i if i say like uh you

00:32:04.250 --> 00:32:07.910
know when when volkanovsky fought lopez his jab

00:32:07.910 --> 00:32:10.490
was crucial okay that's either correct or it's

00:32:10.490 --> 00:32:13.750
incorrect like whether i'm an expert or not i'm

00:32:13.750 --> 00:32:15.549
not an expert on fighting geez you can watch

00:32:15.549 --> 00:32:17.509
the fight and that would be correct yes right

00:32:17.509 --> 00:32:19.450
so well it doesn't see it's right i saw he hit

00:32:19.450 --> 00:32:23.289
a home run you're right that's crazy well you

00:32:23.289 --> 00:32:25.549
know it's a weird a weird thing during that show

00:32:25.549 --> 00:32:28.619
was um Because it's a weird, I don't know, there's

00:32:28.619 --> 00:32:31.759
like weird incentives built into like all of

00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:34.400
this. Incentives are the right word because there's

00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:35.839
a lot of people that are saying things and you

00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:38.740
go, why are you saying that? Yeah. Well, also

00:32:38.740 --> 00:32:40.880
from my perspective, I was a little disappointed

00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:42.440
with it because I kind of thought, I was like,

00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:44.819
oh, this could be like a really cool thing. And

00:32:44.819 --> 00:32:47.200
it had been literally, which I don't think I'm

00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:49.759
saying anything that is. like betraying confidence

00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:52.259
here. But the only thing that was ever said to

00:32:52.259 --> 00:32:53.740
me, I remember you called me and you were like,

00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:55.079
what do you think about doing this? And I think

00:32:55.079 --> 00:32:56.640
I said yes before you could finish answering.

00:32:57.460 --> 00:33:00.900
Absolutely, let's do that. And then you told

00:33:00.900 --> 00:33:06.019
me that he had said, hey, he really doesn't want

00:33:06.019 --> 00:33:08.460
this to devolve into like a food fight. He wants

00:33:08.460 --> 00:33:10.319
to make this like a good faith thing. And I was

00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:13.039
like, oh. Awesome, and now I feel like he like

00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:16.420
Trump Witkoff negotiated me like he's He was

00:33:16.420 --> 00:33:17.839
because then he came in and the whole thing was

00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:19.700
about me He didn't want to talk about the issues

00:33:19.700 --> 00:33:22.160
at all He just won and so in a weird way I was

00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:23.700
like well this sucks because I thought we could

00:33:23.700 --> 00:33:25.480
have had a really cool thing but then there was

00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:28.019
this other part of me that was like I Mean, he's

00:33:28.019 --> 00:33:30.119
really just handing this to me. You know what

00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:32.720
I mean? Like he kind of just like gave me the

00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:36.410
win In a thing that was a big show with a lot

00:33:36.410 --> 00:33:38.990
of people I knew were going to watch it. I mean,

00:33:38.990 --> 00:33:40.470
obviously, every time I do your show, a lot of

00:33:40.470 --> 00:33:41.910
people are going to watch it. But that was a

00:33:41.910 --> 00:33:44.349
particularly big one. Yeah. And so I was kind

00:33:44.349 --> 00:33:46.589
of almost like for the first 45 minutes of it,

00:33:46.650 --> 00:33:48.309
I was kind of sitting there like, oh, I can't

00:33:48.309 --> 00:33:52.609
believe he just he went this route. Well, if

00:33:52.609 --> 00:33:55.150
you look at it objectively, there weren't a lot

00:33:55.150 --> 00:33:58.039
of options. Right. Yeah. It's very difficult

00:33:58.039 --> 00:34:01.819
to argue the side that what they're doing, like

00:34:01.819 --> 00:34:04.079
we were talking about Gaza in particular. Yeah.

00:34:04.140 --> 00:34:08.940
Like the arguing that that's not horrific. And

00:34:08.940 --> 00:34:11.739
if you're a human being and you recognize that

00:34:11.739 --> 00:34:14.659
there are human beings that are subjected to

00:34:14.659 --> 00:34:17.219
that government, just like you're subjected to

00:34:17.219 --> 00:34:20.360
ICE, you're subjected to Homeland Security, you're

00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:23.400
subjected to the cops. If you're a civilian.

00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:26.420
you have to listen to these orders. So if you're

00:34:26.420 --> 00:34:28.920
living in Gaza and you're a child or you're a

00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:32.179
woman and you live, you're not Hamas. Okay. And

00:34:32.179 --> 00:34:33.940
the idea that you're responsible for October

00:34:33.940 --> 00:34:38.099
7th, even if you're one of the people that cheered

00:34:38.099 --> 00:34:40.519
in the street, boy, don't you think you kind

00:34:40.519 --> 00:34:42.480
of have to cheer in the street if everybody else

00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:44.199
is cheering in the street? If you're fucking

00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:47.199
in terror for your life and you have to like.

00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:50.760
Keep your safety intact. You've got to kind of

00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:52.440
go along with whatever everybody else is doing.

00:34:52.599 --> 00:34:56.019
I'm not saying that's good, but when you look

00:34:56.019 --> 00:35:01.320
at how that place is leveled, I mean, the most

00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:03.860
recent videos that I've seen were still a few

00:35:03.860 --> 00:35:05.719
months old, so I don't know if it's stopped.

00:35:05.820 --> 00:35:07.400
Did they stop bombing? I don't know what's going

00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:09.079
on. No, they've slowed down a bit, but they haven't

00:35:09.079 --> 00:35:12.420
stopped. Okay. There was nothing left, man. And

00:35:12.420 --> 00:35:15.380
that represents people's homes. That represents

00:35:15.380 --> 00:35:18.300
schools. That represents hospitals. There's no

00:35:18.300 --> 00:35:22.000
way you can argue that that's not horrific. So

00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:24.039
he was stuck. That's right. That's right. It's

00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:26.860
kind of indefensible. And so instead you pivot

00:35:26.860 --> 00:35:29.639
to arguing against this guy rather than against

00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:32.579
the issue. Well, I think that, you know, it's

00:35:32.579 --> 00:35:35.019
in I can't remember if this was in the letter

00:35:35.019 --> 00:35:37.690
to America or this was in. his declaration of

00:35:37.690 --> 00:35:40.630
war against America. But Osama bin Laden literally

00:35:40.630 --> 00:35:46.050
said that, uh, civilians are fair targets because

00:35:46.050 --> 00:35:49.510
you guys have elections and you vote for these

00:35:49.510 --> 00:35:51.710
politicians and they're the ones who conduct

00:35:51.710 --> 00:35:53.969
these wars that, that slaughter innocent Muslims.

00:35:54.090 --> 00:35:56.969
So like just saying it's the logic of Osama bin

00:35:56.969 --> 00:36:00.570
Laden to say that civilians are responsible for

00:36:00.570 --> 00:36:02.769
what, and in Gaza. Like, they don't even really

00:36:02.769 --> 00:36:04.630
have a government. Hamas is not a government.

00:36:04.750 --> 00:36:06.349
They don't have regular elections. They had one

00:36:06.349 --> 00:36:09.449
election back in 05 or 06 or whatever it was,

00:36:09.530 --> 00:36:13.130
which Hamas did not even win majorities of. They

00:36:13.130 --> 00:36:15.510
won on pluralities. You know what I mean? And

00:36:15.510 --> 00:36:19.030
so the idea that you're holding these people

00:36:19.030 --> 00:36:21.369
responsible for Hamas just doesn't make any sense.

00:36:21.469 --> 00:36:24.699
And just on a very basic human level. You just

00:36:24.699 --> 00:36:26.679
kind of go, and I'm not like an egalitarian.

00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:29.320
I'm not saying all people are equal or all cultures

00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:31.500
are equal or anything like that. But on a very

00:36:31.500 --> 00:36:34.199
basic human level, like those are real people

00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:37.800
too. And when a mother is like pulling her six

00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:41.059
-year -old dead body out of the rubble, that's

00:36:41.059 --> 00:36:44.139
the same exact experience as if your wife was

00:36:44.139 --> 00:36:45.900
pulling your six -year -old out of there. Like

00:36:45.900 --> 00:36:48.599
that same thing is happening to her. And once

00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:51.650
you even just admit that. It does just change

00:36:51.650 --> 00:36:54.190
the calculation. It changes the calculation to

00:36:54.190 --> 00:36:57.010
be like, OK, look, the onus is on you to demonstrate

00:36:57.010 --> 00:37:00.489
that this is absolutely necessary. Like there

00:37:00.489 --> 00:37:03.550
is no other option than to do it this way. And

00:37:03.550 --> 00:37:07.010
that makes defending most wars very difficult.

00:37:07.070 --> 00:37:10.010
Not all of them, you know, but most wars are

00:37:10.010 --> 00:37:12.289
very difficult to defend if you just run it through

00:37:12.289 --> 00:37:15.050
that filter of like, is there any other option?

00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:17.099
Other than this, have you exhausted everything

00:37:17.099 --> 00:37:19.480
else? And then, of course, in the case with Israel

00:37:19.480 --> 00:37:21.519
and Palestine, you go, oh, you never even tried

00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:23.800
to just give them their independence. You've

00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:26.320
never tried to just let them out from this occupation

00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:29.659
and see if maybe that will improve things. And

00:37:29.659 --> 00:37:33.900
it is crazy that the world didn't at one point

00:37:33.900 --> 00:37:36.820
in time stand up and say, there's a simple solution

00:37:36.820 --> 00:37:39.300
here. Like these people should have a state.

00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:41.820
Like, why do you get to control them? But they're

00:37:41.820 --> 00:37:45.570
not as really like they're there. kind of a country,

00:37:45.710 --> 00:37:48.909
but not really, because they're attached to you.

00:37:49.550 --> 00:37:52.630
Why don't you guys go buy another country and

00:37:52.630 --> 00:37:54.650
give it to them and let them have a country?

00:37:54.789 --> 00:37:58.230
Or they don't like being attached on the same

00:37:58.230 --> 00:38:01.010
small patch of dirt to people that have a totally

00:38:01.010 --> 00:38:03.349
different ideology, I guess. Well, that's right.

00:38:04.070 --> 00:38:08.670
But we are. We have Canadians right there. Yes,

00:38:08.670 --> 00:38:11.889
but Canadians do get citizenship in their own

00:38:11.889 --> 00:38:14.449
country. They get citizenship here, too. Boy,

00:38:14.550 --> 00:38:16.610
that's the last thing ICE is looking for is fucking

00:38:16.610 --> 00:38:20.530
Canadians. Oh, yeah. Your visa's expired? Don't

00:38:20.530 --> 00:38:22.050
worry about it, buddy. Get on the plane. They'd

00:38:22.050 --> 00:38:23.949
probably have a much easier time. Like, Canadians

00:38:23.949 --> 00:38:25.909
would go, all right, guess I gotta goo. Well,

00:38:25.909 --> 00:38:28.920
yeah. Also, they can just... ditch the accent

00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:30.780
and pretend they're Americans and everybody will

00:38:30.780 --> 00:38:32.079
buy it. Yeah, it's much easier. As long as they

00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:34.460
don't say about wrong. Yeah. You know, they could

00:38:34.460 --> 00:38:36.159
just say, ah, sorry, I don't have my license

00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:39.059
on me. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, like, okay, buddy,

00:38:39.139 --> 00:38:41.480
where are you from? I live in Iowa. Okay, sounds

00:38:41.480 --> 00:38:43.039
right. That does check out. Get out of here.

00:38:43.199 --> 00:38:45.000
All right. Shit, that does check out. Do you

00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:46.539
see the shit that's going on in the airports?

00:38:46.760 --> 00:38:51.519
Are they using ice now at the airports? Because,

00:38:51.579 --> 00:38:53.639
first of all, how many ice agents are there?

00:38:53.780 --> 00:38:56.030
Aren't they busy? How do you have time to put

00:38:56.030 --> 00:38:57.630
them in all the airports? How many fucking airports

00:38:57.630 --> 00:38:58.969
are there? It's in the low tens of thousands.

00:38:59.090 --> 00:39:00.949
There's not that many of them. Right. So how

00:39:00.949 --> 00:39:03.309
many airports are there? There's a lot of airports.

00:39:03.570 --> 00:39:06.469
So you're putting ice in the airports? Where

00:39:06.469 --> 00:39:08.409
are you getting all these ice guys? Are you hiring

00:39:08.409 --> 00:39:11.389
new ice guys to take the airport jobs? It takes

00:39:11.389 --> 00:39:15.030
seven weeks to train them. So do they have a

00:39:15.030 --> 00:39:18.309
surplus of an ice factory where they're churning

00:39:18.309 --> 00:39:20.550
them out and putting them out there? So I didn't

00:39:20.550 --> 00:39:22.530
see any of them. I flew out here the other day.

00:39:22.860 --> 00:39:24.599
And I didn't see any of them, but then I did

00:39:24.599 --> 00:39:27.059
see people saying that they were at the airport

00:39:27.059 --> 00:39:30.280
I flew out from later that day. Up to 150. That's

00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:32.440
not a lot. Immigration and customs enforcement

00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:34.780
officers were deployed at airports across the

00:39:34.780 --> 00:39:38.650
United States on Monday. So I, of course. You

00:39:38.650 --> 00:39:40.789
know, you get on social media. Somebody sends

00:39:40.789 --> 00:39:42.389
you something. Somebody sent me something. I'm

00:39:42.389 --> 00:39:44.570
not sure if it was true. But it was like, look

00:39:44.570 --> 00:39:47.010
at the difference between the lines at the airport

00:39:47.010 --> 00:39:49.929
before ICE was there and after ICE was there.

00:39:50.130 --> 00:39:52.989
And tell me that only 10 million illegal aliens

00:39:52.989 --> 00:39:59.309
got in. They're like, what is the real? We were

00:39:59.309 --> 00:40:01.210
talking about this last night. Like, what's the

00:40:01.210 --> 00:40:05.320
real number? What is the real number of illegals

00:40:05.320 --> 00:40:06.900
in the United States? We don't know. You were

00:40:06.900 --> 00:40:08.679
saying something about Ann Coulter? Yeah, well,

00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:11.559
she had, and this was from a while ago. So this

00:40:11.559 --> 00:40:15.780
was, well, she had in her book, Adios America,

00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:18.900
she had, I believe it was from Bear Stearns.

00:40:18.900 --> 00:40:20.179
I could be wrong. Double check me on that. It

00:40:20.179 --> 00:40:22.519
was one of the big finance companies that they

00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:24.860
had put a thing where like they put it between

00:40:24.860 --> 00:40:28.309
like 30 and 50 million. Total in the country.

00:40:28.730 --> 00:40:32.690
And 50s. Why? Yeah. And this is before Joe Biden.

00:40:32.710 --> 00:40:34.869
And now I don't know. Maybe they got those numbers

00:40:34.869 --> 00:40:37.510
wrong before. But what year was this book? I

00:40:37.510 --> 00:40:41.489
want to say 2014, 2015. Oh, my God. That's 10

00:40:41.489 --> 00:40:44.610
years. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of them. A lot of them

00:40:44.610 --> 00:40:46.750
have come in since then. Well, at least 10 million,

00:40:46.849 --> 00:40:49.010
they believe, came in through the Biden administration.

00:40:49.050 --> 00:40:52.239
So over four years. Well, I remember the numbers

00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:54.199
being like during the Biden administration where

00:40:54.199 --> 00:40:56.639
they'd be like it was something like last month

00:40:56.639 --> 00:41:00.599
there were 700000 border apprehensions. And you're

00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:03.079
like, well, geez, then how many were just flooding?

00:41:03.099 --> 00:41:05.320
And you'd see those big caravans coming in and

00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:07.599
stuff. I mean, look, it's a huge that that still

00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:12.320
is a huge scandal. And as much as I have really

00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:14.880
been really criticizing Trump and the Trump administration

00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:20.119
since last summer, you know. He's done a good

00:41:20.119 --> 00:41:22.139
job in securing the border. That is the one thing

00:41:22.139 --> 00:41:23.719
that you kind of got to give him, and he got

00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:28.599
that secured right away. Even if you think that

00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:31.260
it should be open and those people should be

00:41:31.260 --> 00:41:33.800
able to travel freely, they should. There's no

00:41:33.800 --> 00:41:36.340
one's illegal on stolen land, that kind of shit.

00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:39.239
You know how much sex trafficking happened during

00:41:39.239 --> 00:41:41.119
that time of children? You know how many children

00:41:41.119 --> 00:41:43.000
were trafficked that way? You know how many children

00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:46.920
were dragged across the border and sold to psychopaths?

00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:50.400
Oh, yeah. Oh, it's horrible. I mean, I saw. Oh,

00:41:50.420 --> 00:41:54.780
there's at least 15, at least 50 million illegals

00:41:54.780 --> 00:41:57.219
in the country today. See my book, Adios America,

00:41:57.400 --> 00:41:59.320
for the analysis from Pulitzer Prize winning

00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:02.099
reporters and numbers crunchers from Bear Stearns.

00:42:02.099 --> 00:42:04.019
I was right. It was Bear Stearns. This is 2022,

00:42:04.179 --> 00:42:07.199
this post. Wow. The book is even older. The book

00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:10.019
is like the book is from before. I want to say

00:42:10.019 --> 00:42:15.710
2015, but it's around that is crazy. That's crazy.

00:42:16.010 --> 00:42:19.469
Supposedly, this is the book that got Donald

00:42:19.469 --> 00:42:24.050
Trump on the immigration issue. At least I've

00:42:24.050 --> 00:42:25.889
heard Ann Coulter say that before. Maybe that's

00:42:25.889 --> 00:42:29.510
right. Maybe that's not right. But I mean, look,

00:42:29.630 --> 00:42:32.369
it's like it's also a particularly it's a it's

00:42:32.369 --> 00:42:38.730
a profound like act of of treachery for a government

00:42:38.730 --> 00:42:43.610
to do that to its own. Like to allow that and

00:42:43.610 --> 00:42:46.530
really facilitate that to happen against the

00:42:46.530 --> 00:42:49.230
will of the domestic population. Like if you

00:42:49.230 --> 00:42:51.269
were to I've tried to look this up before. I

00:42:51.269 --> 00:42:52.409
was trying to figure this out because I did a

00:42:52.409 --> 00:42:55.090
big immigration debate last year or maybe the

00:42:55.090 --> 00:42:57.099
year before. And I was trying – you can't even

00:42:57.099 --> 00:42:59.920
get numbers on what the polling on open borders

00:42:59.920 --> 00:43:01.900
is because no one even asked the question in

00:43:01.900 --> 00:43:03.639
polling because it's like – they asked like,

00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:05.880
do you think immigration policy should be less

00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:08.420
restrictive or more restrictive? Because the

00:43:08.420 --> 00:43:10.539
number of people who support open – it's like

00:43:10.539 --> 00:43:12.960
maybe 1 percent of the country supports that.

00:43:13.059 --> 00:43:15.679
It's as unified an issue as anyone could have.

00:43:15.739 --> 00:43:17.400
No, you can't just have the border wide open.

00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:20.639
And so to do that to the American people against

00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:23.840
the – like you drastically change the country

00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:28.179
in a way. That is not really it's not easy to

00:43:28.179 --> 00:43:30.500
just undo. I mean, as we've seen, right, Donald

00:43:30.500 --> 00:43:32.440
Trump backed off of mass deportations almost

00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:35.400
immediately because big business doesn't want

00:43:35.400 --> 00:43:39.079
it. And then because look like the level of violence

00:43:39.079 --> 00:43:42.300
that you'd need to just physically deport 50

00:43:42.300 --> 00:43:44.840
million people is going to be something that

00:43:44.840 --> 00:43:46.219
the American people just aren't going to put

00:43:46.219 --> 00:43:48.659
up with. I mean, you even see in Minnesota and

00:43:48.659 --> 00:43:51.179
rightfully so. I completely understand it. But

00:43:51.179 --> 00:43:54.170
you see like. You know, I saw one thing. I saw

00:43:54.170 --> 00:43:56.170
that Trump had asked the ICE agents who were

00:43:56.170 --> 00:43:58.190
going to the airports to not wear their masks.

00:43:58.849 --> 00:44:02.909
And I was like, is that even an option? Why would

00:44:02.909 --> 00:44:04.869
they be masked in the airport? Because they're

00:44:04.869 --> 00:44:06.769
ICE agents. Because they can get doxxed. Well,

00:44:06.789 --> 00:44:08.230
that's their concern. And look, I understand

00:44:08.230 --> 00:44:09.789
that. It's a real concern. I understand that

00:44:09.789 --> 00:44:11.730
concern. It's organized. But at the same time.

00:44:12.110 --> 00:44:14.909
There is a balancing act there, and a lot of

00:44:14.909 --> 00:44:16.630
people, like a lot of right -wingers, will say,

00:44:16.750 --> 00:44:20.050
hey, look, if you came here illegally, then that's

00:44:20.050 --> 00:44:21.750
a crime. You're here illegally. That's the law.

00:44:21.969 --> 00:44:25.210
And, hey, I get that argument. But also the supreme

00:44:25.210 --> 00:44:27.349
law of the land is the Constitution of the United

00:44:27.349 --> 00:44:29.809
States of America. And I've seen a ton of videos

00:44:29.809 --> 00:44:32.869
where there were masked ICE agents not even identifying

00:44:32.869 --> 00:44:35.769
themselves, going up to people, telling them

00:44:35.769 --> 00:44:38.030
that you have to answer my questions. You don't

00:44:38.030 --> 00:44:40.110
have an option to walk away, which is like not

00:44:40.110 --> 00:44:42.389
true at all. My take on it is that you can't

00:44:42.389 --> 00:44:45.489
accept people that are masked, that don't have

00:44:45.489 --> 00:44:48.150
any paperwork, that don't have a warrant on the

00:44:48.150 --> 00:44:51.880
streets in militarized situations because. If

00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:54.960
they're using it for this, which you agree to,

00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:57.800
that opens up the door for them to use it because

00:44:57.800 --> 00:45:00.539
you won't take your vaccine or because you did

00:45:00.539 --> 00:45:02.639
this or did that or whatever the fuck it is.

00:45:02.699 --> 00:45:05.320
If a different person gets in power, maybe they're

00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:06.920
going to use it for something you don't support.

00:45:07.139 --> 00:45:09.119
It's just not something you're supposed to accept.

00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:10.739
That's right. You don't want to accept that president.

00:45:11.019 --> 00:45:12.639
Here's something that someone told me that is

00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:15.239
– this is a very credible source that I can't

00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:17.909
reveal what the source is. But they told me that

00:45:17.909 --> 00:45:20.909
there are people in this country and not just

00:45:20.909 --> 00:45:24.989
a few, but many, many that are affiliated with

00:45:24.989 --> 00:45:27.989
terrorist organizations, directly affiliated,

00:45:28.309 --> 00:45:32.690
but they've applied for asylum. And because they've

00:45:32.690 --> 00:45:35.730
applied for asylum, you can't deport them until

00:45:35.730 --> 00:45:39.010
they go through the entire process. That is wild.

00:45:39.269 --> 00:45:42.190
That is wild. So there's people that are known

00:45:42.190 --> 00:45:45.070
at least. Terrorist sympathizers, they're in

00:45:45.070 --> 00:45:47.989
direct communication with terrorist networks.

00:45:48.570 --> 00:45:51.769
They've done things with terrorist networks and

00:45:51.769 --> 00:45:54.309
they've applied for asylum. So you have to go

00:45:54.309 --> 00:45:57.230
through this long ass process through the legal

00:45:57.230 --> 00:46:00.489
system. And it's up to a judge whether or not

00:46:00.489 --> 00:46:04.170
this person who may or may not be a part of a

00:46:04.170 --> 00:46:06.769
fucking sleeper cell gets to stay in America.

00:46:08.539 --> 00:46:11.119
Yeah. Suicidal empathy. That's what Gad Saad

00:46:11.119 --> 00:46:13.300
calls it. You know, I think he's right. I think

00:46:13.300 --> 00:46:16.099
he's got a fair point there with suicidal empathy

00:46:16.099 --> 00:46:20.079
in terms of the idea of like that we that we

00:46:20.079 --> 00:46:24.039
cannot say on some level that it's like, no,

00:46:24.099 --> 00:46:27.400
look, we have a desire to preserve our society

00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:29.900
and we want to do what's bad. We don't have to

00:46:29.900 --> 00:46:32.659
out of some feeling of guilt. turn our country

00:46:32.659 --> 00:46:34.559
into something worse than what it otherwise would

00:46:34.559 --> 00:46:36.960
be. So I think he's got a point there. I think,

00:46:37.019 --> 00:46:39.840
and look, I'm not a big fan of Gad. He literally

00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:43.360
just, him and like Sam Harris and a few others,

00:46:43.480 --> 00:46:45.480
they literally just trash me all the time and

00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:47.920
refuse to engage on a single thing I've said.

00:46:48.059 --> 00:46:51.460
So like, it'll just be, he calls me Wikipedia

00:46:51.460 --> 00:46:55.300
Dave on Twitter. And it's a, well, look, I like

00:46:55.300 --> 00:46:57.800
the guy. I have a different relationship with

00:46:57.800 --> 00:46:59.260
him than you do. Well, that's true. And I'm a

00:46:59.260 --> 00:47:01.159
big critic of Israel, and he's a Mossad agent.

00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:04.420
So there is that. Do you think he is? He's admitted

00:47:04.420 --> 00:47:07.119
that he worked for Mossad. In the past? Yes.

00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:09.380
I guess he would say he's not currently. He retired.

00:47:09.420 --> 00:47:12.659
I used to work for Newport Creamery. I don't

00:47:12.659 --> 00:47:14.360
represent them anymore. I think it's a little

00:47:14.360 --> 00:47:17.239
bit different with the Mossad thing. But I also

00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:20.199
think that the big component that I think all

00:47:20.199 --> 00:47:24.750
of those guys are missing is that. We also create

00:47:24.750 --> 00:47:28.309
more enemies with our foreign policy. And that's

00:47:28.309 --> 00:47:32.289
not to say that, like, you know, they always

00:47:32.289 --> 00:47:34.110
kind of caricature my position on this. Like,

00:47:34.110 --> 00:47:36.369
I'm not saying Islam is all peaceful and there

00:47:36.369 --> 00:47:38.750
are no problems in the Islamic world or anything

00:47:38.750 --> 00:47:40.969
like that. In fact, I don't think any religion

00:47:40.969 --> 00:47:46.349
has truly always been peaceful. But, you know,

00:47:46.349 --> 00:47:50.159
for guys like, say, like Sam Harris. who these

00:47:50.159 --> 00:47:53.079
kind of like pretend intellectuals who have spent

00:47:53.079 --> 00:47:56.139
he spent his entire career talking about how

00:47:56.139 --> 00:47:59.280
violent and irrational the Muslims are and how

00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:02.320
you can't even draw a cartoon of Muhammad or

00:48:02.320 --> 00:48:04.619
Muslims want to do violent stuff. And like, hey,

00:48:04.699 --> 00:48:06.460
fair enough. That's bullshit. And we should all

00:48:06.460 --> 00:48:08.139
say, like, if you want to be over here in the

00:48:08.139 --> 00:48:10.360
West, our values are free speech and you cannot

00:48:10.360 --> 00:48:14.619
kill people for cartoons. But then like none

00:48:14.619 --> 00:48:19.269
of them ever also go, hey. You know, murdering

00:48:19.269 --> 00:48:23.789
an Ayatollah might be dangerous during Ramadan.

00:48:24.070 --> 00:48:27.030
Yeah. Like that is, you know, that is not just

00:48:27.030 --> 00:48:29.650
a political figure to Shiite Muslims. That is.

00:48:29.650 --> 00:48:32.909
So at the same time, it's like, OK, I'm fine

00:48:32.909 --> 00:48:34.570
with saying, OK, you don't want to have suicidal

00:48:34.570 --> 00:48:39.789
empathy. My my my buddy Keith Knight, who's brilliant.

00:48:40.340 --> 00:48:42.599
works over at the libertarian institute he had

00:48:42.599 --> 00:48:44.539
i forget what he said but he he said something

00:48:44.539 --> 00:48:46.599
like okay i don't want to have suicidal empathy

00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:49.760
let's also not have homicidal empathy you know

00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:52.500
and so like maybe it also is like as we were

00:48:52.500 --> 00:48:54.659
tying into that whole conversation with no i'm

00:48:54.659 --> 00:48:57.280
okay thanks um with the whole thing about the

00:48:57.280 --> 00:49:01.260
the kids and women in gaza it's like it's also

00:49:01.260 --> 00:49:06.300
the fact that if you just view slaughtering muslim

00:49:06.300 --> 00:49:08.840
children in the middle east and in northern africa

00:49:08.840 --> 00:49:14.090
as like just an acceptable political price. That's

00:49:14.090 --> 00:49:16.789
just collateral damage. And unfortunately, that

00:49:16.789 --> 00:49:19.110
happens when we pursue this policy. You're going

00:49:19.110 --> 00:49:22.110
to deal with more and more of that. And the combination

00:49:22.110 --> 00:49:24.710
of both, Joe, like the combination of having

00:49:24.710 --> 00:49:27.250
open borders, having all these people get in

00:49:27.250 --> 00:49:30.030
and continuing the war on terrorism and slaughtering

00:49:30.030 --> 00:49:32.750
people in these numbers must be the most insane

00:49:32.750 --> 00:49:35.050
combination ever. The idea that you'd be like,

00:49:35.130 --> 00:49:38.849
we're going to just... Make an entire generation

00:49:38.849 --> 00:49:42.849
of Muslims hate us because so many of them have

00:49:42.849 --> 00:49:44.449
seen what we've done to their countries. And

00:49:44.449 --> 00:49:46.210
also, we'll welcome all of them in with no checks

00:49:46.210 --> 00:49:47.570
and we can't get rid of them when they come here.

00:49:47.690 --> 00:49:50.469
That is quite a combination. Yeah, it's all nuts.

00:49:51.769 --> 00:49:55.710
The Sam Harris thing, I should clarify this because

00:49:55.710 --> 00:49:57.750
he's apparently talked about me again recently

00:49:57.750 --> 00:50:01.889
on Bill Maher. We didn't not talk because it

00:50:01.889 --> 00:50:06.550
was his idea. It was me. He wanted to do a podcast

00:50:06.550 --> 00:50:11.420
with me. He wanted to do like a COVID, you know,

00:50:11.440 --> 00:50:15.400
wrap up, like to, you know, go over everything

00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:17.239
that happened, all the mistakes that were made

00:50:17.239 --> 00:50:19.760
and his position, my position, because that's

00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:22.460
where we kind of like separate. He was very pro

00:50:22.460 --> 00:50:27.840
-vaccine. I said, I won't do that until you talk

00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:30.599
to Brett Weinstein, that you need to talk to

00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:35.820
Brett. Like, Brett, you... disparaged him publicly.

00:50:36.059 --> 00:50:38.139
I think you said things that weren't correct.

00:50:38.340 --> 00:50:40.679
You called him a conspiracy theorist and you

00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:42.480
said you wouldn't platform him because it's dangerous.

00:50:42.579 --> 00:50:45.480
I don't believe that's true. I believe the problem

00:50:45.480 --> 00:50:49.800
is that Sam was incorrect about both the effectiveness

00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:52.420
and the safety of the COVID vaccines. Brett was

00:50:52.420 --> 00:50:57.300
correct. And Brett didn't insult Sam. Sam insulted

00:50:57.300 --> 00:50:59.599
Brett. I mean, Brett said things about Sam since,

00:50:59.699 --> 00:51:03.860
but it was Sam. I said, look, you got to talk

00:51:03.860 --> 00:51:06.639
to him first. You can't just talk to me, you

00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:08.760
know, especially because he's an actual evolutionary

00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:11.860
biologist. Like he understands these things.

00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:15.579
He knows what he's talking about. He's had multiple

00:51:15.579 --> 00:51:18.440
conversations with high level vaccinologists

00:51:18.440 --> 00:51:20.440
and all these different people that worked on

00:51:20.440 --> 00:51:24.739
the mRNA vaccines. Like he was correct. We all

00:51:24.739 --> 00:51:28.090
know that now. We know that all the things that

00:51:28.090 --> 00:51:30.130
he was talking about, whether it's masking doesn't

00:51:30.130 --> 00:51:34.389
work, social distancing. Lockdowns. Lockdowns.

00:51:34.409 --> 00:51:36.550
Didn't work at all. All the above. All the above.

00:51:36.670 --> 00:51:39.530
He didn't want to talk to Brett. And I said,

00:51:39.550 --> 00:51:41.269
that doesn't make sense to me. Like, you talk

00:51:41.269 --> 00:51:43.769
to everybody. You have debates with Muslims on

00:51:43.769 --> 00:51:45.469
stage. Yeah, that's right. That doesn't make

00:51:45.469 --> 00:51:47.050
any sense. Like, why wouldn't you talk to Brett?

00:51:47.210 --> 00:51:50.329
I don't think he wanted to talk to Brett because

00:51:50.329 --> 00:51:52.329
I think he didn't want to talk to Brett because

00:51:52.329 --> 00:51:55.110
Brett's right. And I think it's indefensible.

00:51:55.329 --> 00:51:57.769
No, I completely agree. I mean, you know, I had

00:51:57.769 --> 00:52:00.050
a... By the way, I don't hate Sam. You know,

00:52:00.070 --> 00:52:01.650
he could say all the crazy shit he wants. He

00:52:01.650 --> 00:52:03.070
also said, like, I don't think you should interview

00:52:03.070 --> 00:52:06.409
Gaddafi. Guess what? I would. If Gaddafi was

00:52:06.409 --> 00:52:09.469
alive, 100 % I would interview Gaddafi. Gaddafi?

00:52:09.769 --> 00:52:12.090
Did you ever hear Russell Crowe talk about Gaddafi?

00:52:12.510 --> 00:52:14.730
I don't think so. He did a clip that went viral

00:52:14.730 --> 00:52:16.690
that was on this show where he talked about why

00:52:16.690 --> 00:52:19.789
they wanted to get rid of Gaddafi. Right. And,

00:52:19.809 --> 00:52:22.349
like, where they talked about how evil Gaddafi

00:52:22.349 --> 00:52:25.349
was and how he subjugated his people. Can you

00:52:25.349 --> 00:52:27.570
see if you can find that? Russell Crowe on Gaddafi.

00:52:29.210 --> 00:52:33.030
He wanted to create a United States of Africa.

00:52:33.389 --> 00:52:35.659
Yeah. He wanted to get him on the gold standard.

00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:37.619
He wanted to get him off the U .S. dollar. He

00:52:37.619 --> 00:52:41.820
had some very dangerous ideas. Now, he also supported

00:52:41.820 --> 00:52:49.440
Palestinian resistance. Yeah, that was it. There's

00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:52.760
no sound thing in there? Oh, there it is. Here

00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:57.099
it is. We are taught, for example, to regard

00:52:57.099 --> 00:53:01.199
Gaddafi in a certain way. But if you look into...

00:53:01.530 --> 00:53:04.429
what happened in his country while he was the

00:53:04.429 --> 00:53:07.909
leader. You look into the fact that every person

00:53:07.909 --> 00:53:11.690
is given a house at a certain age. You look at

00:53:11.690 --> 00:53:13.969
the fact that everybody's education and health

00:53:13.969 --> 00:53:17.150
care is free. You look at if somebody showed

00:53:17.150 --> 00:53:20.050
a particular talent for something that required

00:53:20.050 --> 00:53:23.550
further education overseas, all of the costs

00:53:23.550 --> 00:53:25.510
of that were paid for by the government. Now,

00:53:25.550 --> 00:53:28.710
these are all things put in place by the same...

00:53:29.510 --> 00:53:34.070
country's leader that we're told is evil and

00:53:34.070 --> 00:53:39.969
corrupt. It doesn't quite balance. Well, there's

00:53:39.969 --> 00:53:45.989
also U .S. government interference. That is one

00:53:45.989 --> 00:53:48.809
that we definitely monkeyed with. I mean, he

00:53:48.809 --> 00:53:51.650
ran afoul of the United States government. There

00:53:51.650 --> 00:53:56.610
was the famous clip with Hillary. I showed a

00:53:56.610 --> 00:53:58.190
friend of mine the other day that he hadn't seen

00:53:58.190 --> 00:53:59.789
it, and he couldn't believe it was real. Well,

00:53:59.789 --> 00:54:03.489
she was on this show, and she gets unconfirmed

00:54:03.489 --> 00:54:05.710
information first that they got Gaddafi, and

00:54:05.710 --> 00:54:08.230
then she gets confirmed that he's dead. And she

00:54:08.230 --> 00:54:13.429
goes, we came, we saw, he died. She was so excited

00:54:13.429 --> 00:54:17.090
about it. But laughing. And then that led to

00:54:17.090 --> 00:54:19.590
Libya, at least for a while, becoming a failed

00:54:19.590 --> 00:54:22.190
state. Oh, it still is. It still is this whole

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and network management details. And, you know,

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the thing is that they called that Hillary's

00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:27.980
war. She was the Secretary of State at the time

00:55:27.980 --> 00:55:29.860
under Barack Obama, but she's really the one.

00:55:29.800 --> 00:55:31.440
one who championed that. And I believe Obama

00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:35.059
wrote in his book that he was 50 -50 and that

00:55:35.059 --> 00:55:37.079
Hillary really pushed him to that. And he said

00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:39.119
his big regret was that he didn't think about

00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:42.019
what came next after Gaddafi. Somehow we haven't

00:55:42.019 --> 00:55:44.360
learned that lesson yet. Like after Iraq, you'd

00:55:44.360 --> 00:55:47.579
never thought of that. Listen, but thank God

00:55:47.579 --> 00:55:50.840
Trump's figured it out. Oh, yeah. Trump's figured

00:55:50.840 --> 00:55:52.739
it out. We'll go in this drastic new direction

00:55:52.739 --> 00:55:55.159
of getting the seventh war that they wanted.

00:55:55.159 --> 00:55:58.079
Don't be a pussy, Dave. Jesus Christ. Did you

00:55:58.079 --> 00:56:00.400
see that one, I don't know what military expert

00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:02.920
was on television who said something about, I'm

00:56:02.920 --> 00:56:06.739
a fan of boots on the ground, like Rome. Like,

00:56:06.739 --> 00:56:09.460
hey, fucker, Rome didn't have nuclear weapons

00:56:09.460 --> 00:56:12.380
and drones. Rome didn't have drones that hunt

00:56:12.380 --> 00:56:14.440
you. What are you talking about, boots on the

00:56:14.440 --> 00:56:16.159
ground? Should we fight with swords? Should we

00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:17.500
get everybody to fight with swords? Is that what

00:56:17.500 --> 00:56:19.559
you're saying? The fuck are you saying? Well,

00:56:19.579 --> 00:56:23.840
also, like, what? What even is the plan with

00:56:23.840 --> 00:56:25.400
boots on the ground? Like, what are you talking

00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:28.420
about here? You're going to take an island? It

00:56:28.420 --> 00:56:30.099
goes, OK, well, then you're going to be a target.

00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:32.079
You're going to be target practice as long as

00:56:32.079 --> 00:56:33.800
the Iranian regime is still standing. And if

00:56:33.800 --> 00:56:36.019
you're talking about militarily occupying the

00:56:36.019 --> 00:56:38.099
country like we did with Iraq or Afghanistan

00:56:38.099 --> 00:56:40.199
or something like that, this is a huge country

00:56:40.199 --> 00:56:43.360
with 92 million people. How many soldiers do

00:56:43.360 --> 00:56:45.699
you think you need? To occupy that country. You

00:56:45.699 --> 00:56:48.420
need a draft. At least half a million, and probably

00:56:48.420 --> 00:56:50.639
you can't do it with that. So what are you talking

00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:52.380
about here? And so you're saying, are we going

00:56:52.380 --> 00:56:55.800
to start a draft for the least popular war going

00:56:55.800 --> 00:56:57.980
in in American history? Because I don't think

00:56:57.980 --> 00:57:02.280
that's happening. This is maybe slightly more

00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:06.420
popular than Vietnam. Going in, it's less. I'm

00:57:06.420 --> 00:57:09.039
sure Vietnam by the end was very, very unpopular.

00:57:09.519 --> 00:57:12.219
Vietnam going in didn't make any sense, did it?

00:57:12.599 --> 00:57:14.460
There's, I guess, the Gulf of Tonkin incident.

00:57:15.139 --> 00:57:18.059
Most people in America were like, why are we

00:57:18.059 --> 00:57:19.880
doing this? What's going on? You're drafting

00:57:19.880 --> 00:57:23.280
people to go to Vietnam? We're fighting communism

00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:26.360
in Vietnam? Yeah. What? Well, they called it

00:57:26.360 --> 00:57:30.300
Vietnam syndrome that the American people had,

00:57:30.420 --> 00:57:32.460
which is that we didn't want to fight a war again

00:57:32.460 --> 00:57:35.139
after that. From their perspective, that's a

00:57:35.139 --> 00:57:39.630
syndrome. And it's really something. They think,

00:57:40.210 --> 00:57:42.530
by the way, Ben Shapiro used this same line called,

00:57:42.610 --> 00:57:45.369
he said, Trump finally broke Iraq war syndrome.

00:57:45.849 --> 00:57:49.369
Because they think, see, from Ben Shapiro's perspective,

00:57:49.570 --> 00:57:53.670
the illness is after you lie the American people

00:57:53.670 --> 00:57:56.849
into a war and slaughter a million people. The

00:57:56.849 --> 00:57:59.650
illness isn't that. You might look at that as

00:57:59.650 --> 00:58:01.909
the bad part, but the bad part is that these

00:58:01.909 --> 00:58:04.750
annoying Americans have this tendency to not

00:58:04.750 --> 00:58:08.369
want to do that again. After that. But he claims

00:58:08.369 --> 00:58:11.250
Trump has broken Iraq war syndrome. Of course,

00:58:11.269 --> 00:58:13.489
there's really no evidence with support of the

00:58:13.489 --> 00:58:16.110
American people that that has changed at all.

00:58:16.349 --> 00:58:20.989
And, you know, the George H .W. Bush was said

00:58:20.989 --> 00:58:25.349
to have defeated Vietnam war syndrome in Panama

00:58:25.349 --> 00:58:28.469
and in Iraq because they were relatively easy.

00:58:28.630 --> 00:58:31.550
Right. You know, bloodless on the American side

00:58:31.550 --> 00:58:35.699
or very, very limited, you know. Injuries and

00:58:35.699 --> 00:58:39.199
deaths and and they you know, they weren't like

00:58:39.199 --> 00:58:41.619
quagmires that went on forever or whatever but

00:58:41.619 --> 00:58:46.760
of course after the Persian Gulf War in 92 we

00:58:46.760 --> 00:58:52.030
went on to be bombing Iraq for Ever since essentially,

00:58:52.130 --> 00:58:54.349
you know, I mean for 30 straight years after

00:58:54.349 --> 00:58:56.130
that. Well, we were still at war with that country

00:58:56.130 --> 00:58:58.969
for a million people being dead Yeah, what is

00:58:58.969 --> 00:59:01.630
public support? Let's put that into our sponsor

00:59:01.630 --> 00:59:05.409
perplexity. What is current public support? For

00:59:05.409 --> 00:59:09.150
the Iran war in America. And first of all, how

00:59:09.150 --> 00:59:11.969
they know no one's asked me You know I'm saying

00:59:11.969 --> 00:59:13.190
that's a fair like that's what I would say about

00:59:13.190 --> 00:59:15.960
about polls When was the last time you answered

00:59:15.960 --> 00:59:17.500
a poll? When was the last time anybody called

00:59:17.500 --> 00:59:19.280
you up and said, Dave – first of all, when was

00:59:19.280 --> 00:59:20.780
the last time you ever picked up the phone if

00:59:20.780 --> 00:59:22.579
you didn't know who was calling? And then when

00:59:22.579 --> 00:59:24.360
you do answer, when was the last time you said

00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:27.179
yes to a poll? I don't even remember ever getting

00:59:27.179 --> 00:59:30.019
called. It has to be the dumbest of dumb people

00:59:30.019 --> 00:59:32.079
that answer those polls. So then you got to realize

00:59:32.079 --> 00:59:36.199
out of those stupid fucking idiots, even – how

00:59:36.199 --> 00:59:40.159
many of them think the war is a good idea? It's

00:59:40.159 --> 00:59:43.469
even unpopular amongst them. I mean – What does

00:59:43.469 --> 00:59:45.690
it say here? Most recent national polls show

00:59:45.690 --> 00:59:48.230
Americans overall oppose the current war with

00:59:48.230 --> 00:59:50.469
Iran and think U .S. military action has gone

00:59:50.469 --> 00:59:59.789
too far. A Quinnipiac poll finds 54 % of U .S.

00:59:59.829 --> 01:00:02.510
voters oppose U .S. military action against Iran

01:00:02.510 --> 01:00:06.880
and 39 % support it. I wonder how many of those

01:00:06.880 --> 01:00:11.619
39 % are Jews. Well, not too much. We don't have

01:00:11.619 --> 01:00:14.059
the numbers. A poll reports about six and – right.

01:00:14.139 --> 01:00:15.699
What is the number of Jewish people in America?

01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:19.940
Two percent? Something like that? Six in ten

01:00:19.940 --> 01:00:22.039
adults say U .S. military action against Iran

01:00:22.039 --> 01:00:24.880
has gone too far. Only about a quarter say it's

01:00:24.880 --> 01:00:27.820
been about right. Twenty -five percent. First

01:00:27.820 --> 01:00:31.059
of all, whenever you're talking about these kind

01:00:31.059 --> 01:00:34.860
of things, it's like – Again, who are we talking

01:00:34.860 --> 01:00:39.440
about? Who was asked? Finds Republicans largely

01:00:39.440 --> 01:00:42.719
support the military action. Around 86 % support.

01:00:43.260 --> 01:00:48.099
Whoa. Really? Because I talk to a lot of Republicans

01:00:48.099 --> 01:00:50.980
and think it's a terrible idea. While large majorities

01:00:50.980 --> 01:00:54.360
of Democrats, around 92%, and independents, about

01:00:54.360 --> 01:00:58.460
64%, oppose it. 92%. Who are the 8 % of Democrats

01:00:58.460 --> 01:01:01.480
that are like, let's fucking go? You think maybe

01:01:01.480 --> 01:01:05.460
they're Jews? They work for CNN. You know, whatever.

01:01:05.579 --> 01:01:09.000
CNN thinks it's a good idea? No. Dude, CNN is

01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:12.179
running cover for Donald Trump during this time.

01:01:12.400 --> 01:01:14.559
Come on. For real? Oh, yeah. No way. Yeah, they

01:01:14.559 --> 01:01:16.079
put up a poll the other day. They had a graphic

01:01:16.079 --> 01:01:19.519
that said 100 % of MAGA supports the Warren.

01:01:20.150 --> 01:01:23.869
In Iran, there's it's like after all these years

01:01:23.869 --> 01:01:26.130
say he liked it or something like that Oh, but

01:01:26.130 --> 01:01:28.590
hold on a second likes me is that running cover

01:01:28.590 --> 01:01:31.909
or is that making them look bad because most

01:01:31.909 --> 01:01:34.889
Americans don't support the war and most Democrats

01:01:34.889 --> 01:01:38.090
92 % don't support the war. So if that's the

01:01:38.090 --> 01:01:40.170
case wouldn't that just make a look these MAGA

01:01:40.170 --> 01:01:43.809
people are a fucking problem I I guess oh my

01:01:43.809 --> 01:01:46.389
god MAGA GOP view of Trump. Can I hear how he

01:01:46.389 --> 01:01:52.380
says it? Or would it be a problem? Okay. That

01:01:52.380 --> 01:01:56.460
seems bonkers. It seems bonkers. Approve 100%.

01:01:56.460 --> 01:01:59.340
How many people did you ask? Two. Two guys with

01:01:59.340 --> 01:02:01.000
MAGA hats on in the party. If you notice the

01:02:01.000 --> 01:02:02.400
way they say this, right? So they don't just

01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:06.559
say GOP voters. They say MAGA GOP voters. And

01:02:06.559 --> 01:02:08.860
so what they're doing here is that they're filtering

01:02:08.860 --> 01:02:11.820
who they consider to be MAGA and who they consider

01:02:11.820 --> 01:02:14.599
to be MAGA are the people who still say they

01:02:14.599 --> 01:02:17.849
support Donald Trump. Almost like 100 % of the

01:02:17.849 --> 01:02:19.949
people who don't support this war stopped supporting

01:02:19.949 --> 01:02:21.829
Donald Trump over it. Right. But look at this

01:02:21.829 --> 01:02:23.710
little thing on the bottom. They don't show you.

01:02:24.610 --> 01:02:30.280
66%, 31 % split among. Non -MAGA. Right. Is that

01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:32.659
non -MAGA Republicans? Is that what you're saying?

01:02:32.880 --> 01:02:35.480
No, I think that's non -MAGA Americans, I believe.

01:02:36.039 --> 01:02:40.039
The whole MAGA thing, it's like, we're so fractioned

01:02:40.039 --> 01:02:43.000
as it is, like this whole idea of right versus

01:02:43.000 --> 01:02:45.739
left as it is, and now you've got a MAGA section

01:02:45.739 --> 01:02:47.880
of the right? It's all just ridiculous, dude.

01:02:47.980 --> 01:02:50.260
But it's a way to describe it as anything other

01:02:50.260 --> 01:02:52.119
than what it is, which is the most unpopular

01:02:52.119 --> 01:02:54.079
war in American history going into it. And for

01:02:54.079 --> 01:02:56.199
good reason. Look, dude, he didn't even bother

01:02:56.199 --> 01:02:58.079
to sell us on a program. propaganda campaign

01:02:58.079 --> 01:03:02.300
about it he was like the laziest like just lie

01:03:02.300 --> 01:03:05.699
just lie us into it let's put on a fucking firm

01:03:05.699 --> 01:03:09.500
tinfoil hat right now let's let's get a double

01:03:09.500 --> 01:03:12.539
layer reynolds wrap fucking crease the edges

01:03:12.539 --> 01:03:18.320
fold it down why would he want to do this why

01:03:18.320 --> 01:03:23.750
would he want to look i am not denying that the

01:03:23.750 --> 01:03:26.949
regime of Iran is a giant problem. I'm certainly

01:03:26.949 --> 01:03:29.070
not denying that if I was Israel, I would not

01:03:29.070 --> 01:03:31.030
want them there. They hate you. They're trying

01:03:31.030 --> 01:03:32.429
to get a nuclear weapon. They're right there.

01:03:32.550 --> 01:03:35.309
I get the Israel position. I totally understand

01:03:35.309 --> 01:03:41.210
how they're so just vehemently in defense of

01:03:41.210 --> 01:03:43.230
their homeland. They're surrounded by people

01:03:43.230 --> 01:03:44.869
that hate them. They're the one Jewish country.

01:03:45.289 --> 01:03:48.449
Everyone else is a Muslim. They all want to caliphate.

01:03:48.489 --> 01:03:50.190
They all want to kill them. It's been going on

01:03:50.190 --> 01:03:53.090
forever. They think it's in... God's word that

01:03:53.090 --> 01:03:55.829
they have. It's a lot of craziness. I get it.

01:03:58.789 --> 01:04:04.110
Why now? Like, why now? Like, what does that

01:04:04.110 --> 01:04:08.670
make any sense? Well, Trump himself has said,

01:04:08.769 --> 01:04:11.269
which literally this would be like considered

01:04:11.269 --> 01:04:13.650
an anti -Semitic conspiracy theory if anyone

01:04:13.650 --> 01:04:15.650
else had said it. But Donald Trump has openly

01:04:15.650 --> 01:04:19.119
talked about many times. How the Adelson's give

01:04:19.119 --> 01:04:21.820
them all this money and they come by every day

01:04:21.820 --> 01:04:24.079
and all they have is another demand on behalf

01:04:24.079 --> 01:04:28.280
of Israel. Donald Trump also very early in his

01:04:28.280 --> 01:04:32.019
political career got in trouble with the Israel

01:04:32.019 --> 01:04:35.380
lobby and then immediately pivoted to blaming

01:04:35.380 --> 01:04:38.019
to winning their favor back over by saying he

01:04:38.019 --> 01:04:41.039
would tear up the JCPOA, the Iran deal that Obama

01:04:41.039 --> 01:04:45.880
got us into. And it looks to me. You know, there's

01:04:45.880 --> 01:04:48.420
speculation aside, who knows exactly what control

01:04:48.420 --> 01:04:51.099
they have over the guy. But it looks to me that

01:04:51.099 --> 01:04:55.079
after Venezuela and when there were these big

01:04:55.079 --> 01:04:58.079
street protests and riots against the regime

01:04:58.079 --> 01:05:00.480
and around there, that they convinced Trump.

01:05:00.519 --> 01:05:03.820
And this is what Joe Kent, his director of counterterrorism,

01:05:03.820 --> 01:05:06.239
has said, too, that they essentially convinced

01:05:06.239 --> 01:05:10.449
him that this would be the time. You could do

01:05:10.449 --> 01:05:13.530
it swiftly, surgically remove the regime, and

01:05:13.530 --> 01:05:16.610
the people would rise up and overthrow it. And

01:05:16.610 --> 01:05:18.650
this is what Donald Trump said when he launched

01:05:18.650 --> 01:05:20.869
this war. He said, this is a regime change, and

01:05:20.869 --> 01:05:22.969
I'm calling on the great people of Iran to rise

01:05:22.969 --> 01:05:26.530
up. And they did. They rose up by at least the

01:05:26.530 --> 01:05:28.849
hundreds of thousands. They were out in Tehran

01:05:28.849 --> 01:05:31.969
in defense of the regime chanting death to America.

01:05:32.590 --> 01:05:36.769
Because it turns out when you kill 165 little

01:05:36.769 --> 01:05:40.550
girls. That doesn't make a country go, we love

01:05:40.550 --> 01:05:42.789
you. Thank you for that. Right. But before the

01:05:42.789 --> 01:05:44.929
bombing, there were people in the streets that

01:05:44.929 --> 01:05:47.570
were protesting. Yes. And people were killed

01:05:47.570 --> 01:05:50.369
because of that. A lot. That's the other thing

01:05:50.369 --> 01:05:53.099
is that that regime is like they. They clamp

01:05:53.099 --> 01:05:55.019
down, and they do it with public figures. They

01:05:55.019 --> 01:05:58.300
killed a very prominent wrestler from Iran. Two

01:05:58.300 --> 01:06:01.619
of them. They killed one a few years back. The

01:06:01.619 --> 01:06:04.440
UFC tried to step in and somehow or other stop

01:06:04.440 --> 01:06:07.239
it, but he was also one that was accused of protesting

01:06:07.239 --> 01:06:09.320
against the government. Listen, I don't know

01:06:09.320 --> 01:06:11.079
about this most recent one. I'm not saying this

01:06:11.079 --> 01:06:13.019
is true at all. I don't trust any governments,

01:06:13.199 --> 01:06:17.000
but they claimed he killed a few cops. That's

01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:19.460
what the Iranian regime said he was being hung

01:06:19.460 --> 01:06:22.119
for. Now, I don't know. Yeah, the wrestler. Oh,

01:06:22.280 --> 01:06:24.460
I didn't see that. He was convicted of that,

01:06:24.480 --> 01:06:28.659
whatever that means in a mullah run court. So

01:06:28.659 --> 01:06:30.980
I'm not saying that's right at all. But I will

01:06:30.980 --> 01:06:34.519
say this, right? Donald Trump, when he launched

01:06:34.519 --> 01:06:36.380
this war, and there's been a whole lot of just

01:06:36.380 --> 01:06:39.219
false claims that have been made. But he said

01:06:39.219 --> 01:06:42.500
specifically that they killed 32 ,000 protesters.

01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:48.559
There has not been a shred of evidence presented.

01:06:49.210 --> 01:06:51.570
To back up this claim. Now, I'm not saying it's

01:06:51.570 --> 01:06:54.889
not true. I'm not putting it past this government

01:06:54.889 --> 01:06:56.750
that they would do that. And they've acknowledged

01:06:56.750 --> 01:06:58.570
that a lot of people have died. I think they

01:06:58.570 --> 01:07:01.889
I think the last I had seen was that I know they

01:07:01.889 --> 01:07:04.090
were saying the government of Iran is before

01:07:04.090 --> 01:07:06.510
the Ayatollah was killed. They were saying it

01:07:06.510 --> 01:07:09.530
was something like 3000. People had died. And

01:07:09.530 --> 01:07:12.289
then the CIA. But when you say died, does it

01:07:12.289 --> 01:07:14.570
mean they killed? Well, that's unclear. That's

01:07:14.570 --> 01:07:16.329
that's not what they are claiming. But then the

01:07:16.329 --> 01:07:18.369
CIA, at least there was a piece in the Washington,

01:07:18.489 --> 01:07:20.690
excuse me, in The Wall Street Journal where they

01:07:20.690 --> 01:07:21.989
had said, and this was like a week and a half

01:07:21.989 --> 01:07:24.260
into it, that they estimated like six. and a

01:07:24.260 --> 01:07:26.320
half thousand or something like that. But this

01:07:26.320 --> 01:07:28.780
is a huge question, right? And it's not clear

01:07:28.780 --> 01:07:31.500
at all. Like, were they lining people up and

01:07:31.500 --> 01:07:33.820
just executing them for the crime of protesting?

01:07:34.059 --> 01:07:36.460
They hung the wrestler. But I'm saying the people

01:07:36.460 --> 01:07:39.980
who have been killed here. Iran protest death

01:07:39.980 --> 01:07:43.980
toll could top 30 ,000, according to local health

01:07:43.980 --> 01:07:47.659
officials. And this is from Time magazine. As

01:07:47.659 --> 01:07:49.280
many as 30 ,000 people could have been killed

01:07:49.280 --> 01:07:52.440
in the streets of Iran on January 8th and 9th

01:07:52.440 --> 01:07:54.679
alone. Two senior officials of the country's

01:07:54.679 --> 01:07:57.400
Ministry of Health told Time, indicating a dramatic

01:07:57.400 --> 01:07:59.599
surge in the death toll. So many people were

01:07:59.599 --> 01:08:02.239
slaughtered by Iranian security services that

01:08:02.239 --> 01:08:04.480
Thursday and Friday it overwhelmed the state's

01:08:04.480 --> 01:08:08.070
capacity to dispose of the dead. Stocks of body

01:08:08.070 --> 01:08:10.989
bags were exhausted, the official said, and 18

01:08:10.989 --> 01:08:15.570
-wheel semi -trailers replaced ambulances. Now,

01:08:15.610 --> 01:08:17.949
listen, all I'm saying here, man, is that you've

01:08:17.949 --> 01:08:19.989
got to be—I've just seen this movie play out

01:08:19.989 --> 01:08:21.649
a lot of times. You've got to be really careful

01:08:21.649 --> 01:08:23.729
about these accusations that are made in the

01:08:23.729 --> 01:08:25.750
run -up to a war. They're basically saying, we

01:08:25.750 --> 01:08:27.430
have a source who told us this. What year was

01:08:27.430 --> 01:08:29.210
this? I mean, excuse me, what date was this?

01:08:30.169 --> 01:08:32.689
January 25th. So the protest started in late

01:08:32.689 --> 01:08:36.390
December and then in January. Time was unable

01:08:36.390 --> 01:08:39.350
to independently verify these figures. That's

01:08:39.350 --> 01:08:42.409
right. Listen, the claim being made here, right,

01:08:42.510 --> 01:08:44.789
is that, look, in this place, they said in two

01:08:44.789 --> 01:08:47.590
days, in two days, 30 ,000 people were killed.

01:08:47.810 --> 01:08:51.000
If that is true. That is up there with one of

01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:53.500
the biggest massacres in human history. The biggest

01:08:53.500 --> 01:08:56.300
massacres during World War II were like around

01:08:56.300 --> 01:08:59.560
that. It says, as of Saturday, U .S.-based human

01:08:59.560 --> 01:09:03.920
rights activist news agency had confirmed 5 ,459

01:09:03.920 --> 01:09:08.370
deaths and is investigating 17 ,000 more. Yes.

01:09:08.370 --> 01:09:11.430
So that's at least close. So we're in the neighborhood.

01:09:11.489 --> 01:09:14.409
We're in the 20s. Just if what they're investigating

01:09:14.409 --> 01:09:17.069
turns out to be accurate. If that's if that's

01:09:17.069 --> 01:09:19.069
the case. But we're talking also here, Joe, about

01:09:19.069 --> 01:09:23.270
like any defunded U .S. based NGOs who are really

01:09:23.270 --> 01:09:25.729
around hawks, you know. And so and I'm just saying,

01:09:25.770 --> 01:09:28.529
like, look, the the claim the claim here is that.

01:09:29.120 --> 01:09:31.560
Around, you know, I saw a bunch of the Zionists

01:09:31.560 --> 01:09:33.699
online when this was first coming out back in

01:09:33.699 --> 01:09:35.960
January. They were like, oh, my God, they've

01:09:35.960 --> 01:09:38.640
already killed half as many people as died in

01:09:38.640 --> 01:09:40.800
Gaza in just a couple days. And you're like,

01:09:40.859 --> 01:09:43.439
right. That's a pretty that's a hell of a claim.

01:09:43.579 --> 01:09:45.840
Right. I mean, like if you just from following

01:09:45.840 --> 01:09:48.699
wars all these years, if you started carpet bombing

01:09:48.699 --> 01:09:52.819
Tehran, Vietnam style carpet bombing Tehran after

01:09:52.819 --> 01:09:55.439
two days. That's the type of death toll you'd

01:09:55.439 --> 01:09:57.539
be looking at well the thing was we don't they

01:09:57.539 --> 01:09:59.859
don't have internet access well They shut down

01:09:59.859 --> 01:10:01.960
the internet during that period yeah, but there

01:10:01.960 --> 01:10:03.659
were pictures that came out all I'm saying is

01:10:03.659 --> 01:10:06.260
that if you had numbers like that you would expect

01:10:06.260 --> 01:10:08.800
there to be some evidence that you could point

01:10:08.800 --> 01:10:11.060
to and there's like one picture where they've

01:10:11.060 --> 01:10:13.119
pointed to like a couple dozen body bags and

01:10:13.119 --> 01:10:16.510
been like see look at this but Look, maybe it's

01:10:16.510 --> 01:10:18.829
true. Maybe it's not. I'm very skeptical of these

01:10:18.829 --> 01:10:20.729
claims when they're made right before we launch

01:10:20.729 --> 01:10:24.329
a war. But I think the other point is that, at

01:10:24.329 --> 01:10:26.930
least according, and there has been some evidence

01:10:26.930 --> 01:10:29.069
of this, right? There were police stations that

01:10:29.069 --> 01:10:31.289
were burned. There were mosques that were attacked.

01:10:31.569 --> 01:10:34.590
These were not just peaceful protests. I'm not

01:10:34.590 --> 01:10:36.109
saying they don't have a right to violently rise

01:10:36.109 --> 01:10:37.470
up and overthrow their government, whatever.

01:10:38.439 --> 01:10:41.619
All the hawks in the West were saying these people

01:10:41.619 --> 01:10:43.779
are trying to overthrow their government. Not

01:10:43.779 --> 01:10:47.939
only that, in the past, our agencies, our intelligence

01:10:47.939 --> 01:10:50.659
agencies, have engaged in nefarious practices

01:10:50.659 --> 01:10:55.859
where we have conscripted certain people to go

01:10:55.859 --> 01:10:58.800
and light things on fire and blow things up and

01:10:58.800 --> 01:11:02.340
create these events to accelerate. Front page

01:11:02.340 --> 01:11:04.100
of the Jerusalem Post, they were bragging that

01:11:04.100 --> 01:11:07.939
there was Mossad. Within the protests. So now

01:11:07.939 --> 01:11:10.460
look, I don't know. But also the thing is this,

01:11:10.500 --> 01:11:12.859
right? If you are trying to overthrow a government,

01:11:13.060 --> 01:11:16.500
a government will kill you for doing that. And

01:11:16.500 --> 01:11:18.520
that's true about every government, including

01:11:18.520 --> 01:11:21.920
our own. Including our own. If armed protesters

01:11:21.920 --> 01:11:24.920
went to try to overthrow Barack Obama's government,

01:11:25.140 --> 01:11:27.140
he would kill those people if they were actually

01:11:27.140 --> 01:11:28.500
a threat to do that. How about Ashley Babbitt

01:11:28.500 --> 01:11:31.380
was murdered on January 6th? And every single

01:11:31.380 --> 01:11:33.479
left -winger in the country went, well, that's

01:11:33.479 --> 01:11:35.560
okay. It was an insurrection. And by the way,

01:11:35.600 --> 01:11:37.619
every single right -winger in this country, when

01:11:37.619 --> 01:11:40.279
this pretty guy... got killed were like, well,

01:11:40.340 --> 01:11:42.739
he was interfering. Oh, I saw it. But by the

01:11:42.739 --> 01:11:45.340
way, the pretty thing was the most textbook example

01:11:45.340 --> 01:11:47.819
of a bad shooting. There's just no defending

01:11:47.819 --> 01:11:50.239
it. They had disarmed the guy. He's down. There's

01:11:50.239 --> 01:11:52.640
six of them. They panic. They put six bullets

01:11:52.640 --> 01:11:53.859
in. Do you know what happened, though? Do you

01:11:53.859 --> 01:11:55.640
know? Do you know the whole story of the gun?

01:11:56.470 --> 01:11:58.689
The gun being removed? Yeah. Do you know the

01:11:58.689 --> 01:12:00.829
whole story about the gun? No. Okay. The gun

01:12:00.829 --> 01:12:04.869
is a Sig P320. Right. A Sig P320 is notorious

01:12:04.869 --> 01:12:07.630
for accidental discharges. Right. There is a

01:12:07.630 --> 01:12:10.890
video of the cop removing the gun, walking off.

01:12:11.130 --> 01:12:13.970
Yes, I saw that. And the gun goes off. Is that

01:12:13.970 --> 01:12:16.649
his gun for sure? Yeah. Because I thought that

01:12:16.649 --> 01:12:18.310
hadn't been determined whether or not. I heard

01:12:18.310 --> 01:12:19.590
people speculating about that. I've watched the

01:12:19.590 --> 01:12:21.850
video multiple times and I've watched other people's

01:12:21.850 --> 01:12:24.310
analysis of it. Obviously, I'm no expert, but

01:12:24.310 --> 01:12:27.649
I do know something about guns. And that gun

01:12:27.649 --> 01:12:29.449
in particular, it's been demonstrated online

01:12:29.449 --> 01:12:33.029
that it will go off. There's a cop inside of

01:12:33.029 --> 01:12:35.710
a precinct. He bends over, not touching his gun,

01:12:35.789 --> 01:12:38.689
gun in the holster, and it goes off. There's

01:12:38.689 --> 01:12:42.829
a video of a guy on a range and a gun just goes.

01:12:42.960 --> 01:12:46.020
off and he goes whose fucking gun was that and

01:12:46.020 --> 01:12:50.159
the range master goes is that a sig and he goes

01:12:50.159 --> 01:12:52.760
yeah he goes get that fucking gun off of my range

01:12:52.760 --> 01:12:56.720
wow Because it's a P320. I should be real clear.

01:12:56.840 --> 01:12:58.859
Sig makes a bunch of guns that are awesome. Like

01:12:58.859 --> 01:13:01.939
the P365 is like one of the best carry guns in

01:13:01.939 --> 01:13:03.260
the world. There's a lot of guns they make that

01:13:03.260 --> 01:13:05.600
don't have this issue. But that particular gun

01:13:05.600 --> 01:13:08.260
that Pretty had with one in the chamber is fucking

01:13:08.260 --> 01:13:10.340
knuckleheads walking around with one in the chamber.

01:13:10.560 --> 01:13:14.159
Absolutely. I'm just saying the only point I'm

01:13:14.159 --> 01:13:16.529
making is that. It's clearly it was a fuck up.

01:13:16.550 --> 01:13:18.550
I'm not saying like they wanted to execute the

01:13:18.550 --> 01:13:20.750
guy. I'm just saying like they had the gun taken

01:13:20.750 --> 01:13:22.670
from them. They didn't communicate that to each

01:13:22.670 --> 01:13:25.409
other. They freaked out. But literally all it

01:13:25.409 --> 01:13:28.850
took was seeing one video 11 days earlier where

01:13:28.850 --> 01:13:31.050
he kicked the back of a cop car. Right. And for

01:13:31.050 --> 01:13:33.130
every right winger to go, yeah, whatever, dude,

01:13:33.210 --> 01:13:35.350
got what you deserve. So all my point is about

01:13:35.350 --> 01:13:37.750
this, looking at this in the Iranian regime.

01:13:38.560 --> 01:13:42.199
It's just not clear. Like, what are you actually

01:13:42.199 --> 01:13:44.180
accusing them of? Are you saying that somebody

01:13:44.180 --> 01:13:46.479
was trying to overthrow the government and the

01:13:46.479 --> 01:13:48.619
government mowed them down? Are you saying that

01:13:48.619 --> 01:13:50.859
they lined up protesters and shot them all in

01:13:50.859 --> 01:13:52.380
the back of the head simply for voicing their

01:13:52.380 --> 01:13:55.520
opinion? Like, none of this is made clear. But

01:13:55.520 --> 01:13:58.119
when the war drums are beating, no one even cares

01:13:58.119 --> 01:13:59.779
to ask these questions. It's just like, yeah,

01:13:59.880 --> 01:14:01.600
they killed their own people. And then if you

01:14:01.600 --> 01:14:03.619
notice with this war, much like with Venezuela

01:14:03.619 --> 01:14:05.899
and almost like with all of them, they just keep

01:14:05.899 --> 01:14:09.119
giving you like they throw like 50. 15 justifications

01:14:09.119 --> 01:14:11.739
at it, you know, and you're like, wait, which

01:14:11.739 --> 01:14:13.520
one is the reason we're fighting this? Because

01:14:13.520 --> 01:14:16.420
I saw that all of them like to play the humanitarian

01:14:16.420 --> 01:14:18.520
card and go, we're doing this to, you know, for

01:14:18.520 --> 01:14:20.220
these oppressed people. We want them to rise

01:14:20.220 --> 01:14:22.060
up. They've been living under this brutal regime.

01:14:22.220 --> 01:14:24.800
And you're like, OK, two things like number one.

01:14:25.500 --> 01:14:28.100
That is simply just not how U .S. foreign policy

01:14:28.100 --> 01:14:31.600
works. We don't fight wars on humanitarian grounds.

01:14:31.779 --> 01:14:33.739
You know what I mean? Like we're partners with

01:14:33.739 --> 01:14:35.720
some of the most brutal authoritarians in the

01:14:35.720 --> 01:14:38.060
world. And we've and in the case of like Israel,

01:14:38.279 --> 01:14:40.659
we've been funding their destruction of Gaza

01:14:40.659 --> 01:14:44.119
for the last two and a half years. And so like

01:14:44.119 --> 01:14:46.340
that's not really what's motivating this here.

01:14:46.500 --> 01:14:48.989
And then number two. Donald Trump, even just

01:14:48.989 --> 01:14:51.350
the other day, said he'll be partners with the

01:14:51.350 --> 01:14:54.050
new Ayatollah and run the Strait of Hormuz together.

01:14:54.430 --> 01:14:58.090
Did he say that? Yeah. He's backed off of regime

01:14:58.090 --> 01:15:01.250
change. Are they even talking to him? Is someone

01:15:01.250 --> 01:15:05.310
talking to him? Who is he talking to? Do they

01:15:05.310 --> 01:15:07.550
know who they're talking to? Because it's not

01:15:07.550 --> 01:15:10.329
like they're meeting in person. Some guy's on

01:15:10.329 --> 01:15:14.689
the phone. I am free to negotiate. Dude, he said,

01:15:14.909 --> 01:15:17.279
Donald Trump himself said the other day. That

01:15:17.279 --> 01:15:20.880
he goes, we're negotiating. Negotiations are

01:15:20.880 --> 01:15:23.000
going great. And they go, who are you negotiating

01:15:23.000 --> 01:15:25.439
with? And he goes, a person we believe to be

01:15:25.439 --> 01:15:28.359
in charge. And then they said, so is this the

01:15:28.359 --> 01:15:31.060
new supreme leader? And he said, no. No. No one's

01:15:31.060 --> 01:15:32.460
heard from that guy. We don't know where he is.

01:15:32.560 --> 01:15:35.140
It's some hacker in his basement in Belarus.

01:15:35.640 --> 01:15:40.100
And he's talking with an Iranian accent. And

01:15:40.100 --> 01:15:42.979
he's got them convinced. Well, it's just. I have

01:15:42.979 --> 01:15:47.149
the authority to negotiate. Let's be partners.

01:15:48.029 --> 01:15:51.329
Let's be for wire. One million Bitcoin to this

01:15:51.329 --> 01:15:55.390
address. Well, everything I'm seeing publicly

01:15:55.390 --> 01:16:00.310
reported today is that Iran is like, no, we're

01:16:00.310 --> 01:16:02.670
not in these negotiations. We've made our terms

01:16:02.670 --> 01:16:04.590
clear and their terms. What they're asking for

01:16:04.590 --> 01:16:06.409
is something that Donald Trump is not going to

01:16:06.409 --> 01:16:10.250
be able to give. What's that? Their their their

01:16:10.250 --> 01:16:15.439
demands were that we. we stop attacking immediately,

01:16:15.840 --> 01:16:18.680
like that part they might get, that we pay them

01:16:18.680 --> 01:16:23.640
restitution for all the damage so far. Essentially

01:16:23.640 --> 01:16:26.220
that we leave the region. I mean, they had a

01:16:26.220 --> 01:16:28.319
few other things there that were just like. And

01:16:28.319 --> 01:16:30.239
they want them to open up a Terry Black's in

01:16:30.239 --> 01:16:35.880
Tehran. This one was really important to us.

01:16:35.960 --> 01:16:38.039
If we could just get one. One Terry Black's barbecue.

01:16:38.220 --> 01:16:42.520
We don't have a good barbecue here. It doesn't

01:16:42.520 --> 01:16:45.260
seem like, If he's not really negotiating with

01:16:45.260 --> 01:16:47.939
this guy, if it's like – if that's not true and

01:16:47.939 --> 01:16:49.899
he's just like putting this out there in the

01:16:49.899 --> 01:16:55.100
public as like a negotiation ploy, what a clusterfuck.

01:16:55.279 --> 01:16:57.119
Because you're dealing with people that don't

01:16:57.119 --> 01:17:01.119
mind dying. They believe – I mean these are very

01:17:01.119 --> 01:17:04.319
religious people. They're fanatical. They believe

01:17:04.319 --> 01:17:06.140
they're going to go to heaven. They believe they're

01:17:06.140 --> 01:17:08.779
martyrs and they're fighting for Allah. This

01:17:08.779 --> 01:17:13.039
is the just and holy war. And they've been attacked.

01:17:13.300 --> 01:17:14.760
Well, that's right. And they've been preparing

01:17:14.760 --> 01:17:19.119
for this for a long time. You know, people make

01:17:19.119 --> 01:17:22.760
a lot out of the chants that the Iranians, you

01:17:22.760 --> 01:17:24.659
know, they chant death to America. What do you

01:17:24.659 --> 01:17:30.079
got there, Jimmy? Sorry. And who's in control

01:17:30.079 --> 01:17:31.800
of it? Will Iran still be able to control the

01:17:31.800 --> 01:17:37.119
flow of oil? Be jointly controlled. By who? Maybe

01:17:37.119 --> 01:17:41.399
me. Maybe me. Me and the Ayatollah, whoever the

01:17:41.399 --> 01:17:44.100
Ayatollah is, whoever the next Ayatollah. Look,

01:17:44.199 --> 01:17:47.899
and there'll also be a form of a very serious

01:17:47.899 --> 01:17:50.739
form of a regime change. Now, in all fairness,

01:17:50.979 --> 01:17:54.779
everybody's been killed from the regime. There's

01:17:54.779 --> 01:17:57.739
automatically a regime change. But we're dealing

01:17:57.739 --> 01:18:01.199
with some people that I find to be very reasonable,

01:18:01.359 --> 01:18:05.859
very solid. The people within know who they are.

01:18:05.899 --> 01:18:09.310
They're very respected. and maybe one of them

01:18:09.310 --> 01:18:12.090
will be exactly what we're looking for. Look

01:18:12.090 --> 01:18:15.989
at Venezuela, how well that's working. I mean,

01:18:16.069 --> 01:18:18.350
dude, this is such a fucking mess. This is such

01:18:18.350 --> 01:18:20.930
a mess, dude. I mean, this is just too ridiculous,

01:18:21.149 --> 01:18:24.930
dude. And, you know, the thing is that a lot

01:18:24.930 --> 01:18:27.250
of people, you know, I've spent a long time at

01:18:27.250 --> 01:18:29.810
this point being against this war, because this

01:18:29.810 --> 01:18:31.649
war has been telegraphed since, you know, the

01:18:31.649 --> 01:18:34.670
Bush administration wanted to do this shit. And

01:18:34.670 --> 01:18:38.340
at least for, like, 15 years I've been publicly

01:18:38.340 --> 01:18:42.300
opposing this war. And one of the reasons why

01:18:42.300 --> 01:18:45.239
so many of us oppose this, and it's a shitty

01:18:45.239 --> 01:18:48.899
way to be vindicated, but is that, look, Iran

01:18:48.899 --> 01:18:51.479
is just not like any of the other opponents in

01:18:51.479 --> 01:18:53.399
the global war on terrorism. It's a different

01:18:53.399 --> 01:18:56.420
beast entirely. And you've seen this already

01:18:56.420 --> 01:18:58.560
only three weeks in. We never dealt with any

01:18:58.560 --> 01:19:00.500
of this with any of the other countries. You

01:19:00.500 --> 01:19:02.659
know what I mean? We had what the Pentagon calls

01:19:02.659 --> 01:19:05.699
escalation dominance in all of those other wars,

01:19:05.859 --> 01:19:08.220
which is all essentially like it's just like

01:19:08.220 --> 01:19:10.640
meaning like if you do this, we do this. If you

01:19:10.640 --> 01:19:12.119
do that, like we're prepared for everything.

01:19:12.159 --> 01:19:14.079
It's kind of like escalation dominance is a lot

01:19:14.079 --> 01:19:16.640
like you're like in jujitsu where you see really

01:19:16.640 --> 01:19:18.939
high level guys who basically put you in a position

01:19:18.939 --> 01:19:21.079
where you can make one of two choices in either

01:19:21.079 --> 01:19:23.739
way. So like, OK, you can you can give me your

01:19:23.739 --> 01:19:25.579
back and I'll choke you or you can push off me

01:19:25.579 --> 01:19:27.300
and I'll arm bar you. And, you know, like whatever

01:19:27.300 --> 01:19:30.119
option you have, I'm going to get you. We don't

01:19:30.119 --> 01:19:32.399
have that with Iran. And Pentagon's been open

01:19:32.399 --> 01:19:36.300
about this since at least 2007. And the fact

01:19:36.300 --> 01:19:38.239
is that, as we're already seeing, they can target

01:19:38.239 --> 01:19:40.460
ships in the Strait of Hormuz. They can target

01:19:40.460 --> 01:19:43.380
our assets, our bases, our embassies in the region.

01:19:43.479 --> 01:19:46.340
They can target our allies. And this is a big

01:19:46.340 --> 01:19:49.739
problem. And so like. It seems like Donald Trump

01:19:49.739 --> 01:19:52.119
got into this thinking it would be like Venezuela.

01:19:52.420 --> 01:19:54.460
It would be quick and bloodless and easy and

01:19:54.460 --> 01:19:57.399
he could claim victory. Now that it's not gone

01:19:57.399 --> 01:20:01.340
that way, it seems like he's kind of scrambling

01:20:01.340 --> 01:20:04.760
for what the what the off ramp is here. Now,

01:20:04.920 --> 01:20:07.899
at least I give Donald Trump as angry as I am

01:20:07.899 --> 01:20:11.859
with him. Like, at least it is true that he's

01:20:11.859 --> 01:20:13.699
looking for an off ramp, it seems like. And he

01:20:13.699 --> 01:20:15.600
did this with the 12 day war. Right. Like he

01:20:15.600 --> 01:20:18.720
started the war. He saw an off -ramp, and he

01:20:18.720 --> 01:20:23.300
took it. The problem here really is that this

01:20:23.300 --> 01:20:25.880
war changed the calculation from the Iranian

01:20:25.880 --> 01:20:29.000
perspective, and that much is clear so far. After

01:20:29.000 --> 01:20:33.380
9 -11, all the countries in the Middle East and

01:20:33.380 --> 01:20:35.079
North Africa, all the ones – essentially they

01:20:35.079 --> 01:20:37.869
all waved the white flag, all of them. Saddam

01:20:37.869 --> 01:20:41.029
Hussein welcomed UN inspectors in. He was trying

01:20:41.029 --> 01:20:42.989
to do anything he could to not meet the fate

01:20:42.989 --> 01:20:45.529
that he ultimately met. Gaddafi denuclearized,

01:20:45.529 --> 01:20:47.550
got rid of chemical weapons. Bashar al -Assad

01:20:47.550 --> 01:20:49.369
got rid of all his chemical weapons. They were

01:20:49.369 --> 01:20:52.710
all just like, we don't want it with you. And

01:20:52.710 --> 01:20:56.449
Iran was very much the same way. They got into

01:20:56.449 --> 01:20:58.729
the JCPOA. They allowed an inspections regime

01:20:58.729 --> 01:21:00.869
in to come look at their nuclear facilities,

01:21:01.170 --> 01:21:03.750
all of that. And even up to the 12 -day war,

01:21:03.930 --> 01:21:07.840
when we dropped the bunker buster. Israel bombed

01:21:07.840 --> 01:21:09.800
a whole bunch of regime targets. They still,

01:21:09.840 --> 01:21:13.079
in their response, called ahead, made sure there'd

01:21:13.079 --> 01:21:16.640
be no U .S. troops there. They hit the side of

01:21:16.640 --> 01:21:18.760
a little base there. And then they kind of went

01:21:18.760 --> 01:21:21.600
like they gave Trump an off ramp because they

01:21:21.600 --> 01:21:23.020
didn't want it. You know, they didn't want it.

01:21:23.039 --> 01:21:24.720
They don't want to die like Muammar Gaddafi.

01:21:24.819 --> 01:21:26.199
They don't want to, you know, have their country

01:21:26.199 --> 01:21:28.840
destroyed. So for self -preservation reasons,

01:21:29.060 --> 01:21:32.439
they showed restraint. The calculation this time,

01:21:32.520 --> 01:21:34.859
clearly already from the Iranians, was that.

01:21:35.260 --> 01:21:38.899
We can't do that again. We have to give you a

01:21:38.899 --> 01:21:40.880
bloody nose and a black eye. We have to make

01:21:40.880 --> 01:21:43.520
this cost as much as possible for you. Otherwise,

01:21:43.600 --> 01:21:45.539
you guys will just be back here in another five

01:21:45.539 --> 01:21:49.380
months doing it again. And they're probably right

01:21:49.380 --> 01:21:51.779
about that. They're probably right. And so now.

01:21:52.489 --> 01:21:54.510
We're in this situation where we're already in

01:21:54.510 --> 01:21:58.649
a quagmire. It's already like over a dozen Americans

01:21:58.649 --> 01:22:01.750
have died. I think a couple hundred wounded at

01:22:01.750 --> 01:22:04.550
this point. Israel isn't given real numbers on

01:22:04.550 --> 01:22:06.470
what's going on there, but there's some pretty

01:22:06.470 --> 01:22:08.449
substantial damage and definitely some Israelis

01:22:08.449 --> 01:22:11.569
have died. And I'm sure thousands of Iranians

01:22:11.569 --> 01:22:15.039
have died at this point. It's cost. I mean, Pete

01:22:15.039 --> 01:22:18.100
Higgs has just asked for $200 billion. I don't

01:22:18.100 --> 01:22:19.819
know if it'll get up to cost him that much, but

01:22:19.819 --> 01:22:21.619
this thing is certainly already in the tens of

01:22:21.619 --> 01:22:23.819
billions. If you consider munition, military

01:22:23.819 --> 01:22:27.020
movements, and then just the damage to embassies

01:22:27.020 --> 01:22:30.239
and bases and stuff like that. I mean, this thing

01:22:30.239 --> 01:22:33.220
is already a disaster. And so now it's not like

01:22:33.220 --> 01:22:35.479
Venezuela, where Donald Trump could just stop

01:22:35.479 --> 01:22:37.939
and declare victory and even say, like, look

01:22:37.939 --> 01:22:40.100
how great it's working out. Is Venezuela really

01:22:40.100 --> 01:22:42.180
working out that great? I don't know. That's

01:22:42.180 --> 01:22:44.039
you know, we took one guy away. The regime's

01:22:44.039 --> 01:22:46.359
still in place. The people haven't been liberated,

01:22:46.560 --> 01:22:50.079
but whatever. He can claim that this now. The

01:22:50.079 --> 01:22:53.760
problem here is that, OK, number one, Donald

01:22:53.760 --> 01:22:55.640
Trump's not really in a situation where if he

01:22:55.640 --> 01:22:58.140
just quit right now. How is he really going to

01:22:58.140 --> 01:23:00.260
say, look how wonderful this is? It's like, I

01:23:00.260 --> 01:23:02.720
don't know, dude, this cost a lot already. And

01:23:02.720 --> 01:23:04.760
it doesn't seem like there's any clear, like,

01:23:04.800 --> 01:23:06.500
what did we get out of this? Well, the only way

01:23:06.500 --> 01:23:09.060
it would work is if there was some sort of a

01:23:09.060 --> 01:23:11.159
deal with whoever the fuck is going to be the

01:23:11.159 --> 01:23:14.000
new guy in charge. And they did come to some

01:23:14.000 --> 01:23:16.479
sort of an agreement. And they did give them

01:23:16.479 --> 01:23:18.979
some compensation for all the shit we blew up.

01:23:19.319 --> 01:23:21.739
Yes. So they'll just print some more money for

01:23:21.739 --> 01:23:23.939
that. Sure. And inflation will go up. But look,

01:23:23.979 --> 01:23:25.899
here's the thing is that it's not just Donald

01:23:25.899 --> 01:23:29.220
Trump. There's two other participants in this

01:23:29.220 --> 01:23:32.800
war or two other entities in this war. There's

01:23:32.800 --> 01:23:36.800
Iran and there's Israel. OK, now, is Iran going

01:23:36.800 --> 01:23:39.619
to accept that? Maybe. But look, just like the

01:23:39.619 --> 01:23:41.640
12 day war. Look at the position you're in now.

01:23:41.739 --> 01:23:44.659
We're relying on the mullahs. You know what I

01:23:44.659 --> 01:23:46.979
mean? Like it's that that is not an ideal situation

01:23:46.979 --> 01:23:49.199
to be in. And then the other factor is that there's

01:23:49.199 --> 01:23:52.020
Israel, who also gets a say in this for some

01:23:52.020 --> 01:23:56.380
reason, because we allow them to. Netanyahu just

01:23:56.380 --> 01:23:58.260
the other day was very clear about this. This

01:23:58.260 --> 01:24:00.420
is a regime change. And he even said it will

01:24:00.420 --> 01:24:04.140
require ground forces. And he said he's not sure

01:24:04.140 --> 01:24:07.560
who those ground forces will be yet. And so now

01:24:07.560 --> 01:24:10.380
this happened. Do you remember the moment during

01:24:10.380 --> 01:24:12.859
the 12 -day war when it was the closest Trump

01:24:12.859 --> 01:24:15.319
ever came to like flipping out on Israel? And

01:24:15.319 --> 01:24:16.779
he said they don't know what the fuck they're

01:24:16.779 --> 01:24:19.840
doing. But he said Israel and Iran don't know

01:24:19.840 --> 01:24:22.000
what the fuck they're doing. Because Donald Trump,

01:24:22.220 --> 01:24:25.670
so after he drops the bunker busters. He goes,

01:24:25.729 --> 01:24:28.789
that's it. We're you know what I mean? We're

01:24:28.789 --> 01:24:31.409
taking the off ramp. And then he said, I want

01:24:31.409 --> 01:24:33.890
to work out a ceasefire now. And then after he

01:24:33.890 --> 01:24:37.029
said that, Israel just started lighting up regime

01:24:37.029 --> 01:24:39.829
targets, just bombing the crap out of them. And

01:24:39.829 --> 01:24:42.310
they weren't bombing nuclear facilities. They

01:24:42.310 --> 01:24:43.810
were just bombing like government buildings.

01:24:44.090 --> 01:24:45.729
And they've been doing a bunch of that in this

01:24:45.729 --> 01:24:47.529
war as well. Bombing local police departments,

01:24:47.770 --> 01:24:49.909
things like that, just creating chaos because

01:24:49.909 --> 01:24:53.369
what they want is. what they've been getting

01:24:53.369 --> 01:24:55.310
in the rest of the war on terrorism they're they

01:24:55.310 --> 01:24:58.310
they are quite happy with a libya model or a

01:24:58.310 --> 01:25:01.569
syria model they don't want anyone that's organized

01:25:01.569 --> 01:25:04.310
as a threat to israel they don't it's it's all

01:25:04.310 --> 01:25:08.170
about around support for hezbollah yeah is that

01:25:08.170 --> 01:25:10.170
they want southern lebanon which they just uh

01:25:10.170 --> 01:25:12.090
cats their defense minister just announced that

01:25:12.090 --> 01:25:13.930
they're going to occupy yeah that's crazy right

01:25:13.930 --> 01:25:15.489
they just announced they're going to be occupying

01:25:15.489 --> 01:25:18.149
another country that's what it's about man and

01:25:18.149 --> 01:25:20.600
and look i mean it's not Again, this isn't like

01:25:20.600 --> 01:25:23.640
a conspiracy theory. The guys all tell you this

01:25:23.640 --> 01:25:25.819
in their own words. Benjamin Netanyahu was asked

01:25:25.819 --> 01:25:27.760
point blank a few months back what he thought

01:25:27.760 --> 01:25:30.420
of the Greater Israel Project. And he said, it's

01:25:30.420 --> 01:25:32.859
very near and dear to my heart. Like, this is

01:25:32.859 --> 01:25:35.319
the point of denying the Palestinians a state

01:25:35.319 --> 01:25:37.300
for all these years. You can't let the Palestinians

01:25:37.300 --> 01:25:38.779
have a state because then how are you going to

01:25:38.779 --> 01:25:40.859
take that all over someday? That's all supposed

01:25:40.859 --> 01:25:43.560
to be part of Israel. And the U .S. ambassador,

01:25:43.920 --> 01:25:46.859
the U .S. ambassador, not the Israeli ambassador,

01:25:47.100 --> 01:25:50.350
the U .S. ambassador to Israel, is on record

01:25:50.350 --> 01:25:54.449
saying that God promised Iraq to Benjamin Netanyahu.

01:25:54.850 --> 01:25:59.229
That God promised Lebanon and Saudi Arabia and

01:25:59.229 --> 01:26:02.670
the West Bank and parts of Syria. All of this

01:26:02.670 --> 01:26:06.750
is greater Israel. By the way, Sam Harris, where

01:26:06.750 --> 01:26:10.149
are you out on that? Where are the new atheists

01:26:10.149 --> 01:26:12.750
when you could finally use them for something?

01:26:12.989 --> 01:26:16.090
Hey, that's pretty crazy. Is that how we do politics?

01:26:16.760 --> 01:26:20.279
We work on this ridiculous religious superstition

01:26:20.279 --> 01:26:24.119
that somehow when God said Israel in Genesis,

01:26:24.279 --> 01:26:26.619
he was referring to the state that was created

01:26:26.619 --> 01:26:29.720
that they named after that passage. This would

01:26:29.720 --> 01:26:32.420
literally be on the level, Joe, is if I named

01:26:32.420 --> 01:26:35.060
my son Jesus Christ and then I told you you have

01:26:35.060 --> 01:26:37.300
to worship my son. Look, it's right there in

01:26:37.300 --> 01:26:40.039
your Bible. Exactly. No, you named it after that,

01:26:40.159 --> 01:26:42.500
dude. Yeah. That doesn't count. That's crazy.

01:26:42.600 --> 01:26:44.859
And they took the spot where it was. Yeah. I

01:26:44.859 --> 01:26:46.800
mean, like. They took over and they did it in

01:26:46.800 --> 01:26:49.680
a horrific way. Like the napka. Yeah. Yeah. You

01:26:49.680 --> 01:26:51.779
listen to some of those soldiers, the translation

01:26:51.779 --> 01:26:53.439
of some of those soldiers talking about what

01:26:53.439 --> 01:26:55.260
they did and even laughing about what they did.

01:26:55.380 --> 01:26:57.600
Some of them even smiling. In 1948. Yeah, because

01:26:57.600 --> 01:26:59.859
it's not, it wasn't in 1848. Right. You know

01:26:59.859 --> 01:27:02.159
what I mean? Like these guys were alive. Maybe

01:27:02.159 --> 01:27:04.359
not so many of them now, but like 20, 30 years

01:27:04.359 --> 01:27:06.069
ago, you could put a video account. in front

01:27:06.069 --> 01:27:07.569
of one of these guys and ask him to tell their

01:27:07.569 --> 01:27:10.010
story. Right. It was like 78 years ago. It wasn't

01:27:10.010 --> 01:27:11.850
that long ago. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. That's

01:27:11.850 --> 01:27:14.829
right. And so, you know, look, I mean, the idea

01:27:14.829 --> 01:27:21.930
here that America, after just 25 years of catastrophic

01:27:21.930 --> 01:27:26.550
failures, launching wars of choice, wars of aggression,

01:27:26.750 --> 01:27:28.810
lying the American people into it, just slaughtering.

01:27:29.369 --> 01:27:31.789
Millions of people and like bankrupting this

01:27:31.789 --> 01:27:34.689
country and really severely degrading the country

01:27:34.689 --> 01:27:36.869
with these wars. The idea that we would jump

01:27:36.869 --> 01:27:42.130
into another war of choice for Israel is just

01:27:42.130 --> 01:27:46.649
too like this is too crazy, man. And especially

01:27:46.649 --> 01:27:49.890
when it's the administration that that really.

01:27:51.680 --> 01:27:55.399
ran on and promised that we want to get out of

01:27:55.399 --> 01:27:58.140
this, out of this game of fighting stupid wars

01:27:58.140 --> 01:27:59.619
in the Middle East. Yeah, that was what we were

01:27:59.619 --> 01:28:02.359
all supporting. That was the one thing that he

01:28:02.359 --> 01:28:04.680
was saying that was so promising to so many people

01:28:04.680 --> 01:28:06.319
that were independent, that were on the fence.

01:28:06.500 --> 01:28:10.140
Like, this guy wants no wars. All right. He wants

01:28:10.140 --> 01:28:11.479
closing the border, which I think is a great

01:28:11.479 --> 01:28:14.119
idea. He wants no wars. That enough. Let's go.

01:28:14.359 --> 01:28:17.880
Well, especially considering the fact that...

01:28:18.010 --> 01:28:20.130
Well, well, like even if there are some things

01:28:20.130 --> 01:28:21.989
about Donald Trump that maybe you don't like,

01:28:22.149 --> 01:28:25.310
but the other guys are saying we want to keep

01:28:25.310 --> 01:28:27.750
fighting forever wars. And this guy is saying

01:28:27.750 --> 01:28:30.010
we should stop doing that. That's enough to go.

01:28:30.109 --> 01:28:33.050
Well, then he's better than you on net. And don't

01:28:33.050 --> 01:28:36.210
get me wrong. I mean, I I endorse Donald Trump

01:28:36.210 --> 01:28:39.289
in 24. You know, people give me shit for that.

01:28:39.310 --> 01:28:40.550
Some people like that. Some people give me shit

01:28:40.550 --> 01:28:43.750
for it. But I do. I kind of view it like this.

01:28:43.810 --> 01:28:46.229
Like and I really I will say maybe I'm a little

01:28:46.229 --> 01:28:48.510
biased here because I love you. But I don't think

01:28:48.510 --> 01:28:50.949
I'm being biased. I really think you played an

01:28:50.949 --> 01:28:56.430
enormous role in kind of like standing up to

01:28:56.430 --> 01:29:01.109
the progressive democratic establishment and

01:29:01.109 --> 01:29:04.989
their narrative over the last decade or so. And

01:29:04.989 --> 01:29:07.590
it's really hard to kind of overstate how crazy

01:29:07.590 --> 01:29:09.750
they were, how much of a threat to this country

01:29:09.750 --> 01:29:12.510
they were. And for anybody who wants to give

01:29:12.510 --> 01:29:14.869
shit to anyone who voted for Donald Trump, it's

01:29:14.869 --> 01:29:18.159
like, hey, man. The alternative was the party

01:29:18.159 --> 01:29:22.479
who bragged about, first off, insane woke shit,

01:29:22.619 --> 01:29:25.279
like poisoning the minds of children in a really

01:29:25.279 --> 01:29:27.939
grotesque and abusive way. They gave us. open

01:29:27.939 --> 01:29:31.100
borders, flooding the country with people. They

01:29:31.100 --> 01:29:34.739
gave us all types of COVID tyranny based on pseudoscience.

01:29:34.800 --> 01:29:37.300
They gave us the most reckless foreign policy

01:29:37.300 --> 01:29:40.140
in American history, which was this proxy war

01:29:40.140 --> 01:29:42.899
on Russia's border. And they were pretending

01:29:42.899 --> 01:29:46.060
the president wasn't senile when he clearly was.

01:29:46.239 --> 01:29:48.260
Then they, in the fourth quarter, threw up a

01:29:48.260 --> 01:29:50.760
cackling retard who was not democratically picked

01:29:50.760 --> 01:29:54.460
in any process. And so, sorry. Like, it does

01:29:54.460 --> 01:29:57.189
make sense that a lot of people went, okay. We're

01:29:57.189 --> 01:29:59.210
going to go back with with this other guy. Yeah.

01:29:59.430 --> 01:30:02.050
Also, there was an interesting dynamic happening

01:30:02.050 --> 01:30:05.810
in 24 where, OK, this wasn't, you know, Donald

01:30:05.810 --> 01:30:07.430
Trump. They had actually tried to throw him in

01:30:07.430 --> 01:30:10.430
jail, maybe even tried to murder him. We never

01:30:10.430 --> 01:30:13.289
really got any answers on that one. He now had

01:30:13.289 --> 01:30:15.649
Bobby Kennedy with them. He now had Tulsi Gabbard

01:30:15.649 --> 01:30:17.390
with him. He now had. Oh, you know what I mean?

01:30:17.409 --> 01:30:19.310
Even J .D. Vance, like a lot of these people

01:30:19.310 --> 01:30:22.109
who were supposedly much more non interventionist.

01:30:22.350 --> 01:30:25.090
There was reason to hope that maybe it wouldn't

01:30:25.090 --> 01:30:27.640
end up here. But anyway, I guess my thing is

01:30:27.640 --> 01:30:30.220
that you played such a huge role in this. And

01:30:30.220 --> 01:30:32.119
I, to a lesser extent, played a role in standing

01:30:32.119 --> 01:30:33.840
up against a lot of that progressive insanity

01:30:33.840 --> 01:30:36.600
over the last 10 years. And I just feel like

01:30:36.600 --> 01:30:40.319
after 24, you know, this coalition came together

01:30:40.319 --> 01:30:42.239
where Donald Trump, for the first time ever,

01:30:42.279 --> 01:30:44.220
wins the popular vote, wins every single swing

01:30:44.220 --> 01:30:47.579
state, and really more remarkably, won the youth

01:30:47.579 --> 01:30:50.460
and the culture. Like Donald Trump went from

01:30:50.460 --> 01:30:53.720
being like the cultural pariah to being the guy

01:30:53.720 --> 01:30:56.779
like John Jones is doing the dance. And it was

01:30:56.779 --> 01:30:59.800
just it was. And that whole coalition has been

01:30:59.800 --> 01:31:02.699
destroyed over this war. And now he's going to

01:31:02.699 --> 01:31:04.739
hand the country right back over to these Democrats

01:31:04.739 --> 01:31:06.880
who we've been fighting so hard. All for what?

01:31:07.780 --> 01:31:10.319
all for a war that Netanyahu wanted against a

01:31:10.319 --> 01:31:12.159
country that, dude, by the way, the justification

01:31:12.159 --> 01:31:14.779
for the 12 -day war was bullshit. They weren't

01:31:14.779 --> 01:31:16.600
trying to make nuclear weapons. They were trying

01:31:16.600 --> 01:31:18.739
to negotiate. At least they got out of that unscathed

01:31:18.739 --> 01:31:20.880
relatively. Well, that's right. But then, and

01:31:20.880 --> 01:31:22.699
I want to, you know, he said some nice things

01:31:22.699 --> 01:31:24.640
about me when he was on here the other day with

01:31:24.640 --> 01:31:26.920
you, so I will say some nice things about Konstantin

01:31:26.920 --> 01:31:29.579
Kassin, who, despite our disagreements, I really

01:31:29.579 --> 01:31:32.960
like that guy a lot. But he is, I could be wrong,

01:31:33.020 --> 01:31:34.880
I could be missing someone. He's the only guy

01:31:34.880 --> 01:31:39.020
I've seen. Who supported the 12 -day war but

01:31:39.020 --> 01:31:41.600
is really skeptical about this and I've seen

01:31:41.600 --> 01:31:44.560
so many people it's unbelievable Dude, like they

01:31:44.560 --> 01:31:47.140
they just so like the 12 -day war comes for the

01:31:47.140 --> 01:31:50.239
first 48 hours of it They're like dude Israel's

01:31:50.239 --> 01:31:52.699
doing this on its own. All they want is for you

01:31:52.699 --> 01:31:55.979
to stay out of it Then like the third day, they're

01:31:55.979 --> 01:31:58.180
like, all right, they do need some help shooting

01:31:58.180 --> 01:31:59.960
down the missiles that are coming back toward

01:31:59.960 --> 01:32:01.720
them. But whatever, this is just defensive. You

01:32:01.720 --> 01:32:02.819
know what I mean? Like you don't have to get

01:32:02.819 --> 01:32:04.180
involved. Then it's like the next day, like,

01:32:04.220 --> 01:32:05.640
all right, we don't we don't have bunker busters.

01:32:05.680 --> 01:32:07.319
So we do need you to drop the bunker busters.

01:32:07.380 --> 01:32:11.039
But then their whole like defense of the 12 day

01:32:11.039 --> 01:32:13.460
war was like, look, no Americans died. It didn't

01:32:13.460 --> 01:32:15.479
cost us a lot. It didn't turn into this disaster.

01:32:16.060 --> 01:32:19.060
And now. And we're at the, okay, well, fine,

01:32:19.119 --> 01:32:20.779
all of that happened, but it's still a good thing.

01:32:21.079 --> 01:32:23.140
Constantine was the one guy I saw who was like,

01:32:23.220 --> 01:32:26.579
no, I supported that one, but I am not getting

01:32:26.579 --> 01:32:28.720
on board with this one. And I give him a lot

01:32:28.720 --> 01:32:30.279
of credit for that. I give him a lot of credit

01:32:30.279 --> 01:32:32.210
for that. I like that guy a lot. I like them

01:32:32.210 --> 01:32:34.130
a lot. I like Francis a lot, too. I do, too.

01:32:34.210 --> 01:32:36.930
Their show, Trigonometry, is one of the best

01:32:36.930 --> 01:32:39.010
shows. Agree with them or not agree with them.

01:32:39.090 --> 01:32:42.170
They're always reasonable. They're never ideologically

01:32:42.170 --> 01:32:44.390
driven. They have opinions that you may or may

01:32:44.390 --> 01:32:46.130
not agree with, but they're real clear about

01:32:46.130 --> 01:32:47.569
their opinions and why they believe what they

01:32:47.569 --> 01:32:49.750
believe. Yeah, that's right. And they're great

01:32:49.750 --> 01:32:51.930
guys. Yeah, genuinely good dudes. Great guys.

01:32:52.090 --> 01:32:54.850
I really liked, you know, I get in a lot of,

01:32:54.850 --> 01:32:58.829
like, the shit show, like, arguments. I find

01:32:58.829 --> 01:33:00.390
myself in them. I probably should be better than

01:33:00.390 --> 01:33:03.000
them and just not. engaged, but I'm not and I'm

01:33:03.000 --> 01:33:04.779
petty. What do you mean by shit show? Like where

01:33:04.779 --> 01:33:06.640
it just becomes like an insult thing or, you

01:33:06.640 --> 01:33:09.579
know, I debated Alex Barron. It's kind of embarrassing

01:33:09.579 --> 01:33:11.680
in hindsight, but like, I don't know. It gets

01:33:11.680 --> 01:33:14.180
me really angry when the guy's calling me a Holocaust

01:33:14.180 --> 01:33:15.739
denier or something like that. I think that's

01:33:15.739 --> 01:33:17.000
crazy. What he was saying was kind of silly.

01:33:17.770 --> 01:33:19.750
The way he was saying it was silly, and he was

01:33:19.750 --> 01:33:21.590
just trying to play gotcha with you, and then

01:33:21.590 --> 01:33:24.369
you called him a faggot. Yeah, it's not my finest

01:33:24.369 --> 01:33:26.250
moment. You can tell he was really shaken by

01:33:26.250 --> 01:33:28.949
that. I don't think he expected that. I kind

01:33:28.949 --> 01:33:30.270
of have a thing where, like, look, I'm really

01:33:30.270 --> 01:33:32.069
into this shit, and I nerd out on it, and I'm

01:33:32.069 --> 01:33:33.970
obsessed with all of this for whatever reason.

01:33:34.029 --> 01:33:36.310
It's just, like, my calling in life. But I'm

01:33:36.310 --> 01:33:39.210
also stand -up comic at heart, you know? And

01:33:39.210 --> 01:33:40.649
so, like, as soon as someone goes, like, oh,

01:33:40.689 --> 01:33:42.449
I want to be vicious, you're like, oh, you want

01:33:42.449 --> 01:33:44.619
to be vicious? Because I'm pretty good at being

01:33:44.619 --> 01:33:46.939
vicious, so I could do that. And you're probably

01:33:46.939 --> 01:33:49.039
not used to hearing this type of vicious shit

01:33:49.039 --> 01:33:52.960
that comics say to each other. But one of the

01:33:52.960 --> 01:33:54.680
things that I really appreciated about Francis

01:33:54.680 --> 01:33:57.000
and Constantine was when I went to do their show,

01:33:57.239 --> 01:34:00.319
it was just like, it was genuinely a good faith

01:34:00.319 --> 01:34:04.079
conversation. They weren't trying to win. the

01:34:04.079 --> 01:34:07.420
point or get a clip that they could go, we destroyed

01:34:07.420 --> 01:34:09.779
Dave. And then once they do that, I'm like, OK,

01:34:09.859 --> 01:34:10.840
well, then I'm not trying to do that either,

01:34:10.920 --> 01:34:12.539
man. Like, let's talk about this shit. That's

01:34:12.539 --> 01:34:17.680
always what I'd rather do. But the thing that's

01:34:17.680 --> 01:34:19.199
I guess the thing that's really interesting about

01:34:19.199 --> 01:34:22.659
this moment is that because the kind of corporate

01:34:22.659 --> 01:34:24.880
media propaganda apparatus has been completely

01:34:24.880 --> 01:34:28.399
destroyed and because the Internet and social

01:34:28.399 --> 01:34:31.279
media and podcasts are where people go now for

01:34:31.279 --> 01:34:34.159
for. you know, conversations and debates and

01:34:34.159 --> 01:34:36.680
news and all this stuff. They're kind of like

01:34:36.680 --> 01:34:39.859
they're like they're running without a propaganda

01:34:39.859 --> 01:34:44.500
apparatus. You know, like Israel just Israel

01:34:44.500 --> 01:34:46.920
in the last two and a half years is down like

01:34:46.920 --> 01:34:50.460
50 points in the polls, like in terms of. American

01:34:50.460 --> 01:34:54.880
approval. It's a drastic change like I've never

01:34:54.880 --> 01:34:57.220
seen on any issue over the last few years. In

01:34:57.220 --> 01:34:59.739
our lifetimes where it's been an issue that we

01:34:59.739 --> 01:35:01.760
are dealing with the consequences of the relationship.

01:35:02.279 --> 01:35:04.100
There's never been a time in the past where people

01:35:04.100 --> 01:35:07.880
were completely aware of, oh, there's no other

01:35:07.880 --> 01:35:11.000
reason why we'd be going into Iran. Most people

01:35:11.000 --> 01:35:14.539
don't think it wasn't for Israel asking us to,

01:35:14.680 --> 01:35:17.859
Netanyahu's consistent visits to the White House.

01:35:18.060 --> 01:35:22.020
Oh, you can't even pretend otherwise. But people

01:35:22.020 --> 01:35:25.399
do. Yes, well, they try to. Coleman Hughes just

01:35:25.399 --> 01:35:27.699
got in a debate with Glenn Greenwald about it.

01:35:27.739 --> 01:35:29.760
I saw that they did it. I have not had a chance

01:35:29.760 --> 01:35:32.659
to watch it. Somebody sent it to me, and I'm

01:35:32.659 --> 01:35:35.000
being a good boy when it comes to social media.

01:35:35.399 --> 01:35:38.020
It's been so good for my brain. It's kind of

01:35:38.020 --> 01:35:41.659
remarkable. Just staying off, you mean. Yeah.

01:35:41.739 --> 01:35:43.960
My new phone, I'm not going to put anything on

01:35:43.960 --> 01:35:45.539
it. I'm going to have my old phone and leave

01:35:45.539 --> 01:35:47.899
it at home, and I'm not going to be able to look

01:35:47.899 --> 01:35:50.119
at it. So when I have to post things, I've got

01:35:50.119 --> 01:35:51.520
to post it on my other phone that's not going

01:35:51.520 --> 01:35:54.140
to be with me. I'm not doing that anymore. Because

01:35:54.140 --> 01:35:57.579
I just think eventually, ultimately, it rots

01:35:57.579 --> 01:36:01.640
your brain. But you do get some cool debates

01:36:01.640 --> 01:36:04.060
and some insight into what's going on, and I

01:36:04.060 --> 01:36:08.079
don't know what Coleman's argument was. but Glenn

01:36:08.079 --> 01:36:10.340
and Coleman were arguing about Israel's influence

01:36:10.340 --> 01:36:12.479
on this. Well, I'll be very interested to watch

01:36:12.479 --> 01:36:15.859
that. I do respect Coleman, despite disagreeing

01:36:15.859 --> 01:36:17.939
with him very adamantly on this stuff. Very smart

01:36:17.939 --> 01:36:19.659
guy. Very smart guy, no question about it. And

01:36:19.659 --> 01:36:23.000
a very nice guy, too. And look, one of the things

01:36:23.000 --> 01:36:24.619
I really respect about him is when I did his

01:36:24.619 --> 01:36:27.020
show, he literally starts it by going, he goes,

01:36:27.140 --> 01:36:29.579
you know, almost all these debates I see you

01:36:29.579 --> 01:36:32.079
in, like you're kind of debating issues, and

01:36:32.079 --> 01:36:34.479
then people just debate your character. And he

01:36:34.479 --> 01:36:36.159
goes, I'm not doing that at all. I want to talk

01:36:36.159 --> 01:36:36.859
about the issues the whole time. No, he doesn't

01:36:36.859 --> 01:36:38.920
do that at all. And I just genuinely appreciate

01:36:38.920 --> 01:36:40.939
that. I agree with him or disagree with him.

01:36:40.979 --> 01:36:43.560
He's a super reasonable guy and a very nice guy.

01:36:43.699 --> 01:36:45.819
I like him a lot. I like him a lot. Whether I

01:36:45.819 --> 01:36:48.140
agree with him or disagree with him, he's a wonderful

01:36:48.140 --> 01:36:51.479
person. This – agreed. This is what I will say

01:36:51.479 --> 01:36:54.859
about his position on this, which I think is

01:36:54.859 --> 01:36:59.420
kind of interesting. So number one, when I was

01:36:59.420 --> 01:37:02.720
on Piers Morgan with him right after Venezuela

01:37:02.720 --> 01:37:07.560
happened and – He was his position. I don't want

01:37:07.560 --> 01:37:09.000
to mischaracterize it, but I think this is pretty

01:37:09.000 --> 01:37:11.140
accurate, was he was like, look, a lot of people

01:37:11.140 --> 01:37:15.399
are comparing Venezuela to Iraq or Libya or Syria.

01:37:15.439 --> 01:37:18.399
But like that is a different region, a different

01:37:18.399 --> 01:37:20.699
culture, a different religion. And so really

01:37:20.699 --> 01:37:22.920
what we should be comparing this to is other

01:37:22.920 --> 01:37:26.180
interventions in in Latin America and South America.

01:37:26.579 --> 01:37:29.260
And, you know, I didn't completely agree with

01:37:29.260 --> 01:37:30.460
that. I was like, actually, I think there are

01:37:30.460 --> 01:37:33.039
some lessons you could learn from. other wars

01:37:33.039 --> 01:37:34.880
that we've been in that might apply here but

01:37:34.880 --> 01:37:36.579
I was like okay fair enough hey let's look at

01:37:36.579 --> 01:37:38.979
other interventions in Central and South America

01:37:38.979 --> 01:37:40.560
because we've got a long list of really disastrous

01:37:40.560 --> 01:37:42.739
ones like if you want to look at Guatemala or

01:37:42.739 --> 01:37:46.279
Nicaragua or you know Cuba Mexico a whole bunch

01:37:46.279 --> 01:37:51.479
um but then when this war in Iran starts I don't

01:37:51.479 --> 01:37:54.989
see him going the equal opposite of that Going,

01:37:55.069 --> 01:37:57.390
hey, now that we're at war with Iran, we have

01:37:57.390 --> 01:38:00.130
to judge this by Iraq and Afghanistan and Libya

01:38:00.130 --> 01:38:01.869
and Syria. Because you know what I'm saying?

01:38:01.930 --> 01:38:03.470
Like that would be the flip side to the other

01:38:03.470 --> 01:38:05.949
position. And so I don't see that. The other

01:38:05.949 --> 01:38:09.489
thing is that when he's arguing with me about

01:38:09.489 --> 01:38:11.869
because I was arguing that, you know, that is

01:38:11.869 --> 01:38:14.149
the Israel lobby and the Israeli government were

01:38:14.149 --> 01:38:16.369
a huge part of why we fought the war in Iraq.

01:38:16.529 --> 01:38:19.010
And his big point that he stuck to a lot of the

01:38:19.010 --> 01:38:23.060
hawks stick to this is that Ariel Sharon. who

01:38:23.060 --> 01:38:25.720
was the sitting prime minister at the time, he

01:38:25.720 --> 01:38:28.800
was actually against the war in Iraq. That's

01:38:28.800 --> 01:38:32.779
not exactly true. He wanted George W. Bush to

01:38:32.779 --> 01:38:35.739
invade Iran first, not Iraq. And then when he

01:38:35.739 --> 01:38:38.359
got assurances that Iran would be next, he got

01:38:38.359 --> 01:38:40.460
on board. You could go look at Sharon's speech.

01:38:40.500 --> 01:38:42.279
He gave a speech, I think it was in August of

01:38:42.279 --> 01:38:44.800
2002, to the Knesset. And it's all about how

01:38:44.800 --> 01:38:46.760
Iraq is the biggest threat. They have weapons

01:38:46.760 --> 01:38:48.979
of mass destruction. The Mossad was cranking

01:38:48.979 --> 01:38:51.880
out all types of BS intelligence about the nuclear

01:38:51.880 --> 01:38:54.300
weapons that he could detonate in 15 minutes

01:38:54.300 --> 01:38:57.060
or whatever. It was all nonsense. If you're going

01:38:57.060 --> 01:39:00.279
to say that that is evidence that Israel was

01:39:00.279 --> 01:39:01.939
not pushing us into this because the sitting

01:39:01.939 --> 01:39:04.260
prime minister at the time didn't like this war.

01:39:04.619 --> 01:39:08.779
OK, but again, then how does the current sitting

01:39:08.779 --> 01:39:10.880
prime minister of Israel feel about this war

01:39:10.880 --> 01:39:13.420
in Iran? Because he's fighting it with us. And

01:39:13.420 --> 01:39:16.180
he said after it started that this is the culmination

01:39:16.180 --> 01:39:18.840
of his entire life's work. He has been trying

01:39:18.840 --> 01:39:22.920
to lie our government into this war for my entire

01:39:22.920 --> 01:39:26.270
lifetime. Coming here, he testified how many

01:39:26.270 --> 01:39:27.949
times in front of our Congress? Do you remember

01:39:27.949 --> 01:39:29.449
the one where he testified with the cartoon of

01:39:29.449 --> 01:39:32.789
a bomb? At the UN. Cartoon. A bomb cartoon with

01:39:32.789 --> 01:39:35.510
percentages of the enriched uranium. And like

01:39:35.510 --> 01:39:38.590
a Daffy Duck bomb. Not like the bomb that will

01:39:38.590 --> 01:39:40.729
blow your beak around. A bowling ball with a

01:39:40.729 --> 01:39:43.800
fuse. And he was already up real high. He was

01:39:43.800 --> 01:39:45.840
already up real high. No, dude, he was on record

01:39:45.840 --> 01:39:48.159
saying that Iran was three to five years away

01:39:48.159 --> 01:39:50.180
from getting a nuclear weapon in the 90s. In

01:39:50.180 --> 01:39:52.399
the 90s, yeah. I mean, he's just been lying through

01:39:52.399 --> 01:39:54.960
his teeth. And there is something, look, man,

01:39:55.039 --> 01:39:59.359
there's something really profoundly dishonorable

01:39:59.359 --> 01:40:04.300
about trying to lie another country into war.

01:40:04.780 --> 01:40:06.380
Like, not even trying to sell the war to your

01:40:06.380 --> 01:40:08.600
own people and have your own military do it.

01:40:08.619 --> 01:40:10.460
But because you can't. There it is. Yeah, there

01:40:10.460 --> 01:40:13.979
we are. We were up to 90%. First stage. No, it

01:40:13.979 --> 01:40:16.619
was first stage we were at. He was saying they've

01:40:16.619 --> 01:40:19.880
hit the first stage. Oh, oh, oh, excuse me. Okay,

01:40:19.979 --> 01:40:21.479
yeah, you're right. I guess this is, we can't,

01:40:21.479 --> 01:40:24.880
we can't go any further. It's just so ridiculous.

01:40:25.060 --> 01:40:27.199
And he knows, he knows he's lying. He's like

01:40:27.199 --> 01:40:29.439
your friend that, like, you've been friends with

01:40:29.439 --> 01:40:30.899
since high school. And every time you go out,

01:40:30.939 --> 01:40:33.220
he gets you in a fight. You're like, dude, don't

01:40:33.220 --> 01:40:35.260
do this. Those guys over there are a fucking

01:40:35.260 --> 01:40:36.979
problem. Let's go over there and fuck them up.

01:40:37.140 --> 01:40:40.539
And all your buddies are like, dude, this guy

01:40:40.539 --> 01:40:43.140
again? Did I use that exact analogy when I debated

01:40:43.140 --> 01:40:47.300
Josh Hammer at Princeton University? Or maybe

01:40:47.300 --> 01:40:48.560
it was with the Charlie Cargill. It was one of

01:40:48.560 --> 01:40:50.079
the times I debated him. But I used that exact

01:40:50.079 --> 01:40:52.079
analogy. He was like, is Israel an ally? And

01:40:52.079 --> 01:40:54.979
I was like, no. They're not a good friend. If

01:40:54.979 --> 01:40:56.539
your friend's getting you in a bar fight every

01:40:56.539 --> 01:40:58.979
night, stop hanging out with that guy. Bro, Tim

01:40:58.979 --> 01:41:02.859
Dillon did an ad for NeuroGum and NeuroMints

01:41:02.859 --> 01:41:07.180
on his podcast where he's like, I have a friend.

01:41:08.039 --> 01:41:11.760
Let's just call her Erica. And he does this Erica

01:41:11.760 --> 01:41:17.699
Kirk ad. He doesn't say it's Erica Kirk for NeuroGum.

01:41:17.720 --> 01:41:20.859
Have you heard of Jamie? I think so. Oh, my God.

01:41:21.079 --> 01:41:24.319
Oh, my God. It's so funny. Oh, my God. It's so

01:41:24.319 --> 01:41:28.109
crazy. He's so out of his – I fucking love him

01:41:28.109 --> 01:41:30.689
so much. I'm so happy Tim Dillon's in the world.

01:41:30.909 --> 01:41:33.430
He is the – He's the best. If you're not listening

01:41:33.430 --> 01:41:36.109
to his podcast and you want a rational but hilarious

01:41:36.109 --> 01:41:38.829
take on all the fucking madness that's going

01:41:38.829 --> 01:41:41.449
on with not just this war but the Epstein Files,

01:41:41.529 --> 01:41:43.850
his episode of the Epstein Files, I hardly ever

01:41:43.850 --> 01:41:46.579
tweet about other people's – Podcasts, but I

01:41:46.579 --> 01:41:49.180
hardly ever tweet, but I posted it I'm like this

01:41:49.180 --> 01:41:52.659
is one of the best podcasts about anything ever

01:41:52.659 --> 01:41:57.659
his ability Tim's ability to like rant it like

01:41:57.659 --> 01:42:00.899
unprecedented it like a Hilarious rants that

01:42:00.899 --> 01:42:03.300
is laced with excellent points, but it's just

01:42:03.300 --> 01:42:05.899
hilarious the whole time and just him going off

01:42:05.899 --> 01:42:09.149
is Second to none. And he's sober. He just puts

01:42:09.149 --> 01:42:12.109
on his magic glasses. It's him and Fuentes are

01:42:12.109 --> 01:42:15.430
the top two. But he buries Fuentes. Fuentes is

01:42:15.430 --> 01:42:18.170
really good. Fuentes has... Tim can do something

01:42:18.170 --> 01:42:20.689
different than anybody else can do. Yeah, well,

01:42:20.770 --> 01:42:25.529
his ability to blend sarcasm and just celebration

01:42:25.529 --> 01:42:29.310
of chaos. Yeah, it's second to none. He's the

01:42:29.310 --> 01:42:31.489
best ranter that's ever walked the face of the

01:42:31.489 --> 01:42:34.569
planet. I remember when I first met Tim in New

01:42:34.569 --> 01:42:38.090
York. Back before he moved out to L .A. after

01:42:38.090 --> 01:42:39.930
that. But when I first met him in New York and

01:42:39.930 --> 01:42:43.609
he was I think like he was a green stand up.

01:42:43.649 --> 01:42:45.250
I think he hadn't been doing it for that long.

01:42:45.409 --> 01:42:47.810
But I remember just like being on podcasts with

01:42:47.810 --> 01:42:51.329
him and just being like, yo, this dude is going

01:42:51.329 --> 01:42:54.630
to be a fucking superstar. Like it was just like

01:42:54.630 --> 01:42:58.069
his his ranting like a bill like he would go

01:42:58.069 --> 01:43:01.029
off on things where you just find yourself like.

01:43:01.659 --> 01:43:03.119
Like, you almost have a moment where you forget

01:43:03.119 --> 01:43:04.680
you're on the show with him. Yeah. You're like,

01:43:04.720 --> 01:43:06.500
I'm just sitting here watching. And then I'm

01:43:06.500 --> 01:43:08.399
like, oh, shit, I'm here, too. I better say something.

01:43:08.600 --> 01:43:11.680
But, like, he's just unbelievable. Listen to

01:43:11.680 --> 01:43:15.840
this ad. Listen to this ad. I don't know if I

01:43:15.840 --> 01:43:17.739
should tell this, but it does show how effective

01:43:17.739 --> 01:43:22.260
Neuromint can be. A friend of mine, let's call

01:43:22.260 --> 01:43:28.380
her Erica. She's had a wild life, this woman.

01:43:29.069 --> 01:43:33.449
She was in Romania. She had an orphanage. She

01:43:33.449 --> 01:43:36.750
was on a reality show. She married this famous

01:43:36.750 --> 01:43:41.369
guy. She was an intelligence asset. And I said

01:43:41.369 --> 01:43:44.289
to her, how do you do this? And she says, Tim,

01:43:44.550 --> 01:43:48.569
it's Neuro's Energy and Focus Mints. And I said,

01:43:48.630 --> 01:43:52.569
but how do you do it after the guy, the husband

01:43:52.569 --> 01:43:54.689
and father of the kids gets murdered and you're

01:43:54.689 --> 01:43:58.289
out there? doing all kinds of stuff you're doing

01:43:58.289 --> 01:44:01.050
fundraisers and you're dancing around with glitter

01:44:01.050 --> 01:44:03.970
pants how does this happen she goes i could lie

01:44:03.970 --> 01:44:07.010
to you but i'm telling you it's neuro's energy

01:44:07.010 --> 01:44:12.329
and focus mints really she goes sure i said how

01:44:12.329 --> 01:44:15.069
are you running this organization seven hours

01:44:15.069 --> 01:44:18.770
after this guy got popped she goes a lot of people

01:44:18.770 --> 01:44:23.949
speculate but it's neuro's energy and focus mints

01:44:24.520 --> 01:44:28.000
I go, really? She said, yeah, Neuro Energy and

01:44:28.000 --> 01:44:29.939
Focus is powered by natural green tea caffeine,

01:44:30.159 --> 01:44:32.920
L -theanine for calm, focus, and vitamin B12,

01:44:33.140 --> 01:44:37.039
and B6 for... I mean, whatever they're paying

01:44:37.039 --> 01:44:39.260
him, they should pay him more. Yeah, it's not

01:44:39.260 --> 01:44:41.920
enough. No one can pay him enough. He's the GOAT.

01:44:42.000 --> 01:44:44.100
Well, that'll also just make you remember that

01:44:44.100 --> 01:44:47.399
product forever. Yeah. No, he's the greatest

01:44:47.399 --> 01:44:50.430
of all time. I'm trying to figure out how to

01:44:50.430 --> 01:44:54.090
turn our racetrack sign on all the way. Is it

01:44:54.090 --> 01:44:57.189
broken? Goddamn, we need a new one? I'll get

01:44:57.189 --> 01:45:03.090
a hold of Bobby. He's the GOAT, dude. I had someone

01:45:03.090 --> 01:45:05.750
in the White House come up to me and go, is Tim

01:45:05.750 --> 01:45:08.970
Dillon really gay? I go, yeah, he's really gay.

01:45:09.050 --> 01:45:11.069
You think he would fake that? He goes, how long

01:45:11.069 --> 01:45:12.470
have you known him? I go, I've known him forever.

01:45:12.569 --> 01:45:16.090
He's really gay. Yeah, well, he's a real good

01:45:16.090 --> 01:45:17.750
undercover, but every now and then you see it

01:45:17.750 --> 01:45:20.430
come out. Every now and then you see, like, I

01:45:20.430 --> 01:45:22.550
remember, and this is back when he was young,

01:45:22.609 --> 01:45:25.409
and he was broke at the time. But Tim was always

01:45:25.409 --> 01:45:27.449
kind of a snob, even when he was broke. Like,

01:45:27.449 --> 01:45:29.470
it was always kind of. And I went, I forget what

01:45:29.470 --> 01:45:32.550
it was, but I was like, oh, we could get food

01:45:32.550 --> 01:45:34.829
from this restaurant. And he goes, from there?

01:45:34.869 --> 01:45:36.170
I go, yeah, they got good food. And he goes.

01:45:36.850 --> 01:45:39.350
You think that's good food? Because he's like

01:45:39.350 --> 01:45:41.729
a real foodie or whatever. And I was just like,

01:45:41.789 --> 01:45:43.449
oh, I saw it for a second there. Well, he used

01:45:43.449 --> 01:45:45.390
to have money because he had money when he was

01:45:45.390 --> 01:45:47.289
selling. He had money in finance. Then he decided

01:45:47.289 --> 01:45:49.609
to be. Subprime mortgages. He was a part of the

01:45:49.609 --> 01:45:51.810
housing crisis. That's right. And he was doing

01:45:51.810 --> 01:45:55.109
cocaine back then. He did topple the U .S. economy

01:45:55.109 --> 01:45:56.949
for a while. He was part of it. But then he got

01:45:56.949 --> 01:45:59.590
into comedy. He more than made up for it. He's

01:45:59.590 --> 01:46:01.270
more than made up for that. This is where he

01:46:01.270 --> 01:46:04.250
belongs. Yeah. He belongs in front of that screen

01:46:04.250 --> 01:46:07.390
with the glasses on, just going on these insane

01:46:07.390 --> 01:46:10.609
rants. Oh, yeah. He's so funny, man. His Epstein

01:46:10.609 --> 01:46:13.130
Files take was fucking genius, man. That was

01:46:13.130 --> 01:46:15.369
great. Dude, his thing about Sam Harris having

01:46:15.369 --> 01:46:18.909
a meditation app and also supporting genocide

01:46:18.909 --> 01:46:22.789
is the most hilarious thing ever. Like, what

01:46:22.789 --> 01:46:27.020
human being does both of those? Such a great

01:46:27.020 --> 01:46:30.079
take on that. He's so funny, man. Yeah, we're

01:46:30.079 --> 01:46:34.279
lucky, dude. We're part of a really cool group

01:46:34.279 --> 01:46:37.520
of people right now. It's a very unusual time

01:46:37.520 --> 01:46:41.859
that the mainstream has lost all of its power

01:46:41.859 --> 01:46:44.460
of influence on people. It still puts out information.

01:46:44.460 --> 01:46:48.020
It still puts out shows. They're trying to look

01:46:48.020 --> 01:46:51.840
like you. But they're funk. That Jake Tapper

01:46:51.840 --> 01:46:53.220
thing was so crazy. I was like, what are you

01:46:53.220 --> 01:46:55.359
doing? Are you doing a podcast now? Like, what

01:46:55.359 --> 01:46:58.079
are you doing? It's such a perfect, like, little

01:46:58.079 --> 01:47:00.300
microcosm, though, of, like, it's almost painful.

01:47:00.539 --> 01:47:03.880
Like, I'm like, guys, just can you hire me? I

01:47:03.880 --> 01:47:06.760
mean, like, I would explain this to you. No,

01:47:06.760 --> 01:47:09.500
it wouldn't work either because they're so trained.

01:47:10.560 --> 01:47:15.100
It's like. If you get a dog and that dog has

01:47:15.100 --> 01:47:18.020
been – maybe a cat might be a better example.

01:47:18.220 --> 01:47:19.659
If you've never had a litter box in the house

01:47:19.659 --> 01:47:21.060
and the cat's been pissing all over the carpet,

01:47:21.239 --> 01:47:23.939
you are always going to have that cat piss on

01:47:23.939 --> 01:47:25.800
the carpet. That's what that cat does. You're

01:47:25.800 --> 01:47:28.560
not going to fix him. If your entire life you've

01:47:28.560 --> 01:47:31.340
been spitting out nonsense from a teleprompter

01:47:31.340 --> 01:47:32.939
and now all of a sudden you have to be yourself,

01:47:33.199 --> 01:47:35.800
you've been functioning in a world of executives

01:47:35.800 --> 01:47:37.779
and producers where everybody goes over every

01:47:37.779 --> 01:47:42.909
little thing you say and do. 100 % read things

01:47:42.909 --> 01:47:45.430
you know aren't true. Or at least partially aren't

01:47:45.430 --> 01:47:47.189
true. They added mics for like everything. Oh

01:47:47.189 --> 01:47:48.750
yeah, yeah, yeah. Their whole setup is they're

01:47:48.750 --> 01:47:52.529
all trying to look like podcasters. No! Wait

01:47:52.529 --> 01:47:54.829
a minute. They put mics out like podcasters.

01:47:54.829 --> 01:47:57.329
That's crazy. Imagine if they think that's all

01:47:57.329 --> 01:48:00.930
it takes. But Joe, talk about completely missing

01:48:00.930 --> 01:48:03.930
the point. Right? It's just fundamentally missing

01:48:03.930 --> 01:48:06.350
it. Is that they go, they actually go, okay,

01:48:06.409 --> 01:48:09.939
so all of these people have left. you know, watching

01:48:09.939 --> 01:48:13.319
cable news in droves. And now they, a lot of

01:48:13.319 --> 01:48:14.979
people listen to podcasts. They'll listen to

01:48:14.979 --> 01:48:18.220
you or Theo Vaughn or whoever it might be. And

01:48:18.220 --> 01:48:22.380
a huge reason, right, why people, a huge reason

01:48:22.380 --> 01:48:25.439
why you've been number one for so long now is

01:48:25.439 --> 01:48:28.720
because however anyone feels about you, you're

01:48:28.720 --> 01:48:31.039
authentic. And it's very hard to deny that. You

01:48:31.039 --> 01:48:33.060
know, one of the biggest questions I get when

01:48:33.060 --> 01:48:35.239
people like meet me, if I do like meet and greet

01:48:35.239 --> 01:48:37.899
after shows or something, it's what's Joe Rogan

01:48:37.899 --> 01:48:39.880
like? It's a question I get all the time because

01:48:39.880 --> 01:48:41.340
we're buddies and I've been on the show a lot

01:48:41.340 --> 01:48:44.279
of times and people love you. And they'll go,

01:48:44.340 --> 01:48:45.619
what's Joe Rogan like? And I always tell them

01:48:45.619 --> 01:48:48.720
the same thing. I go, you already know. You already

01:48:48.720 --> 01:48:52.899
know who he is. He's that guy. And then offstage,

01:48:52.960 --> 01:48:54.619
he's that guy. You know what I mean? That's who

01:48:54.619 --> 01:48:57.060
he is. And people like that. People like that.

01:48:57.100 --> 01:48:59.479
Whatever you think about Theo Vaughn, he's authentic.

01:49:00.180 --> 01:49:02.859
He's being himself. That's who he is. Well, that's

01:49:02.859 --> 01:49:04.739
how it works. And because you guys in the corporate

01:49:04.739 --> 01:49:08.310
media. are all professional liars and have lied

01:49:08.310 --> 01:49:11.390
to the American people about the last 17 crises.

01:49:11.949 --> 01:49:13.750
You know, they don't trust you anymore. And so

01:49:13.750 --> 01:49:16.630
then their reaction to that is you go, well,

01:49:16.689 --> 01:49:18.729
what if we pretended to be podcasters? You're

01:49:18.729 --> 01:49:21.149
like, no, you dummy. That's the whole thing.

01:49:21.229 --> 01:49:23.890
This is just proving further how inauthentic

01:49:23.890 --> 01:49:26.729
you are. Do they have fucking meetings on this?

01:49:27.270 --> 01:49:31.890
100%. 100 % they do. Dude, they all, this was

01:49:31.890 --> 01:49:34.840
to me. Despite the fact that I, you know, and

01:49:34.840 --> 01:49:36.800
people give me shit about voting for Donald Trump

01:49:36.800 --> 01:49:38.239
and they could say I should have known better

01:49:38.239 --> 01:49:40.199
and whatever. I was a huge critic of him in his

01:49:40.199 --> 01:49:41.699
first term and I'm a huge critic of him in his

01:49:41.699 --> 01:49:44.340
second term. But the best thing about Donald

01:49:44.340 --> 01:49:46.579
Trump winning in 24, and I did predict this right.

01:49:46.659 --> 01:49:48.319
I'm not always the best with predictions. I'm

01:49:48.319 --> 01:49:50.020
pretty good on issues, I think, but I'm not great

01:49:50.020 --> 01:49:52.800
at predictions. They're tough. But the best thing

01:49:52.800 --> 01:49:55.340
about Donald Trump winning was that the corporate

01:49:55.340 --> 01:49:58.619
media finally admitted it. They had been pretending

01:49:58.619 --> 01:50:00.760
for so long. I remember we used to joke about,

01:50:00.779 --> 01:50:02.659
I remember coming on like a few years ago, and

01:50:02.659 --> 01:50:06.060
we would joke about how Brian Stelter would always,

01:50:06.140 --> 01:50:08.180
whenever he talked about you, he would always

01:50:08.180 --> 01:50:11.420
kind of go like, the fringe Joe Rogan. Like as

01:50:11.420 --> 01:50:14.100
if he's the mainstream and you're the fringe.

01:50:14.180 --> 01:50:16.460
As if the numbers aren't readily available to

01:50:16.460 --> 01:50:18.220
all of us. That we could be like, your show has

01:50:18.220 --> 01:50:20.439
like 200 ,000 listening and his has 20 million.

01:50:20.640 --> 01:50:23.039
So how is he the fringe and you're the mainstream?

01:50:23.260 --> 01:50:25.920
I think they thought that. Maybe they believed

01:50:25.920 --> 01:50:29.550
it. 24, the election, that's when they all admitted

01:50:29.550 --> 01:50:32.560
it. And then the talking point moved to. We need

01:50:32.560 --> 01:50:34.960
to find our own Joe Rogan. The Democrats need

01:50:34.960 --> 01:50:37.020
to find a Joe Rogan or whatever. Remember, that

01:50:37.020 --> 01:50:39.479
was like – so they kind of admitted that, oh,

01:50:39.479 --> 01:50:42.300
the podcasts have become the new mainstream and

01:50:42.300 --> 01:50:44.619
we are the fringe. Right, but the dumb part of

01:50:44.619 --> 01:50:47.100
that statement was you already had me, you fucking

01:50:47.100 --> 01:50:49.859
idiots. You just lost your mind. I'm not right

01:50:49.859 --> 01:50:52.779
and I'm not left. I think both of them suck.

01:50:53.000 --> 01:50:56.199
And I think the adherence to the ideologies that

01:50:56.199 --> 01:50:58.319
the left supports or the right supports is out

01:50:58.319 --> 01:50:59.619
of their – you've got to be out of your fucking

01:50:59.619 --> 01:51:02.680
mind. Whether it's these – Crackpot Christian

01:51:02.680 --> 01:51:05.060
nationalists that think that this whole war is

01:51:05.060 --> 01:51:07.840
a way to get Jesus to return on a white horse

01:51:07.840 --> 01:51:09.439
Yeah, do you see those guys that were talking?

01:51:09.520 --> 01:51:12.020
Yeah during the the readiness fucking meeting

01:51:12.020 --> 01:51:16.010
that I think that's nuts, too. I think the woke

01:51:16.010 --> 01:51:18.890
shit and all the chaos of the fucking last four

01:51:18.890 --> 01:51:20.710
years of having a completely open border and

01:51:20.710 --> 01:51:22.569
the justifications of all these things. That's

01:51:22.569 --> 01:51:24.869
nuts, too. I'm not on either buddy's side, anyone's

01:51:24.869 --> 01:51:27.189
side. But I think the Democrats aren't ever going

01:51:27.189 --> 01:51:29.489
to get someone like me because I'm not with either

01:51:29.489 --> 01:51:33.050
or I'm not with either or. I'm with whoever fucking

01:51:33.050 --> 01:51:35.789
makes sense and no one makes sense until AI comes

01:51:35.789 --> 01:51:37.289
along. I think they're going to do a really good

01:51:37.289 --> 01:51:39.689
job. President perplexity is going to run this

01:51:39.689 --> 01:51:43.649
country fairly and balanced. I'm willing to try

01:51:43.649 --> 01:51:46.609
it at this point. I'm fucking dead serious, man.

01:51:46.710 --> 01:51:50.369
As long as it doesn't do something to harm people.

01:51:51.000 --> 01:51:52.600
As long as like that's its goal. Its goal is

01:51:52.600 --> 01:51:55.420
just to manage society. It's a big if that you

01:51:55.420 --> 01:51:57.800
got there. But yes, if we can get that. Enjoying

01:51:57.800 --> 01:52:00.239
the hive, Dave. But what you just said, I think

01:52:00.239 --> 01:52:02.920
is really. Well, this is something that I'm encouraged

01:52:02.920 --> 01:52:04.859
by. Is that I think what you just said there,

01:52:04.920 --> 01:52:07.760
I really do believe that you speak for super

01:52:07.760 --> 01:52:10.239
majorities of the American people. And that's

01:52:10.239 --> 01:52:12.279
why even though Donald Trump has shattered his

01:52:12.279 --> 01:52:14.939
coalition by lying us into this stupid war on

01:52:14.939 --> 01:52:18.319
behalf of a foreign country. That coalition is

01:52:18.319 --> 01:52:20.859
still ripe for someone else to pick it up and

01:52:20.859 --> 01:52:22.819
run with it. And that's kind of what I'm hoping

01:52:22.819 --> 01:52:25.060
I hope Thomas Massey runs for president I think

01:52:25.060 --> 01:52:26.779
by the way They're doing a big money bomb for

01:52:26.779 --> 01:52:29.340
Thomas Massey on March 30th And I think him winning

01:52:29.340 --> 01:52:31.340
reelection in Congress is like the most important

01:52:31.340 --> 01:52:33.460
political election in the country right now because

01:52:33.460 --> 01:52:36.479
he's done nothing wrong except actually stand

01:52:36.479 --> 01:52:39.039
up for America first and for all the stuff that

01:52:39.039 --> 01:52:40.859
Donald Trump and Tulsi Gabbard and all these

01:52:40.859 --> 01:52:45.119
people ran on and he's gotten The the Israel

01:52:45.119 --> 01:52:47.380
lobby and the Adelson's, but I repeat myself,

01:52:47.520 --> 01:52:50.340
have been pouring millions of dollars into his

01:52:50.340 --> 01:52:52.920
race to try to unseat him for the crime of not

01:52:52.920 --> 01:52:55.000
going along with the Epstein cover up and not

01:52:55.000 --> 01:52:57.140
going along with another stupid war and having

01:52:57.140 --> 01:52:59.699
some like fiscal sanity. So I hope I hope he

01:52:59.699 --> 01:53:02.220
wins. I imagine those three negatives. Imagine

01:53:02.220 --> 01:53:04.520
those being three negatives that people are saying

01:53:04.520 --> 01:53:10.159
he's not MAGA. What is MAGA then? My position

01:53:10.159 --> 01:53:13.560
is always like, if you're saying, if not supporting

01:53:13.560 --> 01:53:16.920
covering up the Epstein files, or not supporting

01:53:16.920 --> 01:53:19.760
a stupid war of choice, a war of aggression on

01:53:19.760 --> 01:53:22.560
behalf of Israel means I'm not MAGA, then okay,

01:53:22.699 --> 01:53:26.659
I'm not MAGA. I'm not attached to the phrase,

01:53:27.500 --> 01:53:30.100
make America great again. I don't care. But if

01:53:30.100 --> 01:53:32.840
that phrase sucks, here's the thing. First of

01:53:32.840 --> 01:53:35.880
all, America... Is great. Make America greater.

01:53:36.079 --> 01:53:39.140
I'm down. But make America great again. And then

01:53:39.140 --> 01:53:41.579
it becomes a movement of a bunch of fucking dorks

01:53:41.579 --> 01:53:43.659
because a lot of them are dorks. A lot of them,

01:53:43.680 --> 01:53:48.140
these really weird, fucking uninteresting, unintelligent

01:53:48.140 --> 01:53:50.699
people that have. got something they cling to

01:53:50.699 --> 01:53:52.760
and there's a lot of people that are just real

01:53:52.760 --> 01:53:54.979
genuine patriots and they're all lumped into

01:53:54.979 --> 01:53:57.119
this one group and you gotta accept the dorks

01:53:57.119 --> 01:54:01.220
too fuck that like the concept of making America

01:54:01.220 --> 01:54:03.300
great is a great idea but as soon as you have

01:54:03.300 --> 01:54:05.859
a fucking team and you allow anybody to join

01:54:05.859 --> 01:54:09.899
up You don't even have tryouts for your team.

01:54:10.079 --> 01:54:12.600
So you've got a bunch of fucking dipshits that

01:54:12.600 --> 01:54:14.659
are running around spouting out opinions and

01:54:14.659 --> 01:54:16.659
you have to go along with them because they're

01:54:16.659 --> 01:54:19.460
MAGA. And then you've got bots online that are

01:54:19.460 --> 01:54:22.119
probably from fucking Indonesia or Russia or

01:54:22.119 --> 01:54:24.560
wherever. And they're pretending they're MAGA

01:54:24.560 --> 01:54:26.800
and they're saying crazy shit. So that's a part

01:54:26.800 --> 01:54:30.119
of MAGA too. You've fucked up by becoming a part

01:54:30.119 --> 01:54:32.920
of a group. Whether it's a Republican group,

01:54:33.079 --> 01:54:36.220
a Democrat group, a MAGA group, a fucking woke

01:54:36.220 --> 01:54:39.539
group, whatever it is, you fucked up by being

01:54:39.539 --> 01:54:42.619
in a group. Yeah, George Carlin said people are

01:54:42.619 --> 01:54:44.979
great as individuals, but when they get in a

01:54:44.979 --> 01:54:46.720
group, man, they're the worst things in the world.

01:54:46.880 --> 01:54:50.640
And that's why it should be about the... Like

01:54:50.640 --> 01:54:52.359
the issues. It should be about your principles

01:54:52.359 --> 01:54:54.460
and what you believe in. And that's and you should

01:54:54.460 --> 01:54:57.340
be like, look, like I've said many nice things

01:54:57.340 --> 01:54:59.560
about Tulsi Gabbard over the years. And I was

01:54:59.560 --> 01:55:02.979
extremely critical of her over since last summer

01:55:02.979 --> 01:55:05.000
into now, because I think she's lying us into

01:55:05.000 --> 01:55:08.079
a war, which is the war that she was always opposed

01:55:08.079 --> 01:55:11.359
to. The one that what she sold no war with Iran

01:55:11.359 --> 01:55:15.489
T -shirts. How is she lying us into this war?

01:55:15.689 --> 01:55:18.130
Because that's a big statement. Yeah, absolutely.

01:55:19.149 --> 01:55:24.060
And it's true. So last summer. So Tulsi Gabbard

01:55:24.060 --> 01:55:25.960
had given her the as the director of national

01:55:25.960 --> 01:55:27.539
intelligence does every year. They give their

01:55:27.539 --> 01:55:29.640
annual threat assessment. Then she testified

01:55:29.640 --> 01:55:33.180
before Congress about it. And she it was very

01:55:33.180 --> 01:55:35.760
clear in her annual threat assessment that Iran

01:55:35.760 --> 01:55:37.899
was not attempting to build nuclear weapons,

01:55:38.039 --> 01:55:41.140
that they had not yet made the political decision

01:55:41.140 --> 01:55:43.779
to attempt to build nuclear weapons, let alone

01:55:43.779 --> 01:55:47.920
like are actually going for it. And she testified

01:55:47.920 --> 01:55:50.699
before Congress saying the same thing. And then.

01:55:51.860 --> 01:55:54.319
While they were negotiating, Israel sneak attacks

01:55:54.319 --> 01:55:56.920
them. Then she had some post where she goes,

01:55:57.039 --> 01:56:00.600
Iran could be weeks or months away from nuclear

01:56:00.600 --> 01:56:03.579
weapons, which was total bullshit. It made absolutely

01:56:03.579 --> 01:56:05.060
no sense at all. Let me see what the post has.

01:56:05.239 --> 01:56:08.020
Sure. If you can find it, this is from last June.

01:56:08.840 --> 01:56:11.420
Right, but is that a fact? So if they're enriching

01:56:11.420 --> 01:56:15.140
uranium up to 60 % and they just have to enrich

01:56:15.140 --> 01:56:17.539
it further for... The ability to use it in nuclear

01:56:17.539 --> 01:56:20.260
weapons. That is a couple weeks away. No, but

01:56:20.260 --> 01:56:22.819
not before it would be. To build a bomb and to

01:56:22.819 --> 01:56:24.920
make it deliverable, I think all the experts

01:56:24.920 --> 01:56:27.479
say at least a couple years. But the point, aside

01:56:27.479 --> 01:56:29.779
from that, is that at the time, and this is over

01:56:29.779 --> 01:56:32.619
now, but at the time, Iran was still members

01:56:32.619 --> 01:56:35.840
of the JCPOA. They were still in it. What is

01:56:35.840 --> 01:56:39.630
that? This is the Iran deal that Obama. got us

01:56:39.630 --> 01:56:42.529
into. Obama is horrible on foreign policy. He's

01:56:42.529 --> 01:56:45.609
the butcher of Libya and Syria and Yemen, and

01:56:45.609 --> 01:56:49.210
he surged in Afghanistan. But in Iran, he made

01:56:49.210 --> 01:56:51.970
a deal with them. But it wasn't just with the

01:56:51.970 --> 01:56:55.740
U .S. and Iran. It also involved Russia. And

01:56:55.740 --> 01:56:58.079
France and England and there were other countries

01:56:58.079 --> 01:57:01.260
involved in it, too. And the JCPOA said that

01:57:01.260 --> 01:57:04.119
Iran couldn't enrich above, I think it was three

01:57:04.119 --> 01:57:06.420
to five percent or something like that. And they

01:57:06.420 --> 01:57:08.939
were staying in it. And it created a new inspections

01:57:08.939 --> 01:57:10.840
regime, which Iran. So they were having full

01:57:10.840 --> 01:57:13.239
inspections. They weren't. But the deal also

01:57:13.239 --> 01:57:16.199
said that if America gets out of the deal, they

01:57:16.199 --> 01:57:18.920
can enrich up to higher. So when America got

01:57:18.920 --> 01:57:20.680
out of the deal, they started enriching. When

01:57:20.680 --> 01:57:22.579
did America get out of the deal? Donald Trump

01:57:22.579 --> 01:57:26.119
tore it up in his first term. I want to say 2017

01:57:26.119 --> 01:57:28.560
or 2018. And then they immediately started enriching?

01:57:28.579 --> 01:57:30.460
No, they went up a little bit, and then I think

01:57:30.460 --> 01:57:32.199
there were a couple Israeli attacks, and then

01:57:32.199 --> 01:57:34.479
they went up to enriching at 60%. But so the

01:57:34.479 --> 01:57:36.859
reason we knew they were enriching up to 60 %

01:57:36.859 --> 01:57:38.939
is because... They were still members of the

01:57:38.939 --> 01:57:41.220
JCPOA with an inspections regime who was going

01:57:41.220 --> 01:57:43.260
in there and saying they're enriching up to 60%.

01:57:43.260 --> 01:57:46.039
Right. How much do you actually know about enriching

01:57:46.039 --> 01:57:48.060
uranium and what it takes to turn into a bomb?

01:57:48.640 --> 01:57:51.720
Let's read what she says. New intelligence. Confirm

01:57:51.720 --> 01:57:54.140
what POTUS has stated numerous times. Iran's

01:57:54.140 --> 01:57:55.659
nuclear facilities have been destroyed. Oh, no,

01:57:55.720 --> 01:57:57.720
I think this is after. This isn't the right one.

01:57:57.840 --> 01:58:00.960
Her tweet was before. This is from June. Yeah,

01:58:01.000 --> 01:58:02.819
this would have been just shortly before this.

01:58:02.840 --> 01:58:05.439
Very recently. Her tweet was before we hit Fordow.

01:58:06.800 --> 01:58:09.420
Yeah, this is June 25th. There's a recent one,

01:58:09.520 --> 01:58:14.359
though. Oh, edited June 25th. Yeah, but it seems

01:58:14.359 --> 01:58:16.840
like it was still edited the day it was posted.

01:58:16.979 --> 01:58:19.739
Probably. Can you go to her page? Because she

01:58:19.739 --> 01:58:23.239
doesn't tweet a lot. She's not a psycho. She's

01:58:23.239 --> 01:58:25.600
not one of those. If she tweets, it's generally

01:58:25.600 --> 01:58:27.760
something important or someone from our team.

01:58:28.180 --> 01:58:35.119
So is this the – hold on. Above that. Overwhelmingly

01:58:35.119 --> 01:58:38.239
elected by the – Click on that show more. I think

01:58:38.239 --> 01:58:41.539
that's it. Well, this is what she testified to

01:58:41.539 --> 01:58:44.359
Congress this time. I was referring to a different

01:58:44.359 --> 01:58:47.020
one from that. But I also think this is a lie.

01:58:47.279 --> 01:58:50.890
I mean, for her to say. That the president determines

01:58:50.890 --> 01:58:54.369
what is an imminent threat or is not. No, either

01:58:54.369 --> 01:58:56.649
there is an imminent threat or there is not one.

01:58:56.810 --> 01:58:58.670
This is like saying the president determines

01:58:58.670 --> 01:59:00.710
the weather or something like that. But you're

01:59:00.710 --> 01:59:02.850
taking her words out of context. She's saying

01:59:02.850 --> 01:59:05.189
something that's factually correct. As our commander

01:59:05.189 --> 01:59:08.329
in chief, he is responsible. for determining

01:59:08.329 --> 01:59:10.850
what is and is not an imminent threat. That is

01:59:10.850 --> 01:59:13.390
true. And whether or not to take action, he deems

01:59:13.390 --> 01:59:15.430
necessary to protect the safety and security

01:59:15.430 --> 01:59:17.029
of our troops, the American people, and our country.

01:59:17.130 --> 01:59:20.090
That's just an actual fact. Okay, yes, fair enough.

01:59:20.250 --> 01:59:22.489
But when she testified before Congress, they

01:59:22.489 --> 01:59:25.079
asked her, like, They asked her point blank a

01:59:25.079 --> 01:59:27.380
bunch of times about this. And then she goes,

01:59:27.500 --> 01:59:30.220
that's not my job to determine what's an imminent

01:59:30.220 --> 01:59:31.979
threat. That's the job of the president. And

01:59:31.979 --> 01:59:34.199
if he says it is, then it is. OK, so look at

01:59:34.199 --> 01:59:36.640
this here. Initially, she's contradicting Trump,

01:59:36.779 --> 01:59:40.380
saying that Iran did not rebuild after the 2025

01:59:40.380 --> 01:59:43.659
strikes, contradicting Trump. So this is also

01:59:43.659 --> 01:59:46.920
from Time magazine. So she's saying that. Now,

01:59:46.960 --> 01:59:48.779
what you're saying that she said earlier was

01:59:48.779 --> 01:59:51.680
a lie is not a lie, dude, because that is actually

01:59:51.680 --> 01:59:54.859
his. Well, I wasn't referring to that. I understand.

01:59:55.000 --> 01:59:56.779
But you did say that was a lie, which she said

01:59:56.779 --> 01:59:58.739
was a lie. OK, fair enough. That was not a lie.

01:59:58.800 --> 02:00:02.220
But it was. But it is. But it's actually actually

02:00:02.220 --> 02:00:04.619
correct. And if you're in a position like she's

02:00:04.619 --> 02:00:07.000
in, we've got that guy breathing down your neck

02:00:07.000 --> 02:00:09.840
and you're forced to make a statement. You've

02:00:09.840 --> 02:00:13.380
got to tread very carefully on this tight rope

02:00:13.380 --> 02:00:15.199
that you're walking. OK, fine. But let's just

02:00:15.199 --> 02:00:17.979
say. hypothetically, then you know for a fact

02:00:17.979 --> 02:00:20.239
that Iran did not pose an imminent threat. And

02:00:20.239 --> 02:00:22.159
then that's your answer when you're asked if

02:00:22.159 --> 02:00:27.399
they did. Fine. It's not a lie. But it is very

02:00:27.399 --> 02:00:31.600
misleading, to say the least. How much... Okay,

02:00:31.640 --> 02:00:33.899
hold on. Intel Chief Gabbard declines to say

02:00:33.899 --> 02:00:36.000
if Iran posed an imminent threat to the U .S.

02:00:36.000 --> 02:00:39.220
She declined to say... On her own, personally.

02:00:39.479 --> 02:00:41.260
This is the congressional testimony. Yes, yes,

02:00:41.340 --> 02:00:43.180
yes. I think this is what I was referring to

02:00:43.180 --> 02:00:44.840
here. And she does at one point say that it's

02:00:44.840 --> 02:00:47.020
not her job to make that determination, which

02:00:47.020 --> 02:00:51.850
I do think is her entire job. It's interesting.

02:00:52.010 --> 02:00:54.350
Look, maybe I'm being a little harsh by saying

02:00:54.350 --> 02:00:56.449
lying in that example. And fair enough to your

02:00:56.449 --> 02:00:58.130
point there. Like that technically is a true

02:00:58.130 --> 02:01:00.529
statement. I do think it's very misleading. And

02:01:00.529 --> 02:01:03.449
I do think that she really was the one who advocated

02:01:03.449 --> 02:01:07.029
against this specific war for the reasons that

02:01:07.029 --> 02:01:09.449
we're seeing unfold right now. And I do think

02:01:09.449 --> 02:01:11.409
I get your point. It's a very tough tightrope

02:01:11.409 --> 02:01:13.529
to walk. The options are essentially, I think.

02:01:13.979 --> 02:01:17.000
to do what Joe Kent did and resign or to stay

02:01:17.000 --> 02:01:19.079
on and support the thing. I mean, I think it's

02:01:19.079 --> 02:01:21.680
kind of hard to thread that needle. Right. Do

02:01:21.680 --> 02:01:25.520
you think that there is any value in being one

02:01:25.520 --> 02:01:28.100
of the few reasonable voices that has his ear?

02:01:28.899 --> 02:01:31.180
Yeah. If ultimately it is his responsibility

02:01:31.180 --> 02:01:33.380
to determine what's an imminent threat and what

02:01:33.380 --> 02:01:36.760
is not, I would imagine that she gets access

02:01:36.760 --> 02:01:40.010
to... most of the same classified information

02:01:40.010 --> 02:01:42.489
that he does as the director of national intelligence.

02:01:42.649 --> 02:01:44.930
I don't know, though. I don't know how it works.

02:01:45.310 --> 02:01:51.310
But what can she do other than try to be a voice

02:01:51.310 --> 02:01:53.210
of reason if ultimately this guy is going to

02:01:53.210 --> 02:01:55.489
do what he wants to do, right? And he's going

02:01:55.489 --> 02:01:57.970
to do also what Israel wants to do, clearly.

02:01:58.229 --> 02:02:01.420
And he's talked about it. And also in his first

02:02:01.420 --> 02:02:03.560
term, I'll never forget this fucking conversation

02:02:03.560 --> 02:02:05.720
that he had with Steve Hilton. Because I think

02:02:05.720 --> 02:02:07.239
it was one of the first times since Eisenhower

02:02:07.239 --> 02:02:09.199
I've seen a president say, and Steve Hilton,

02:02:09.319 --> 02:02:12.539
by the way, I've been friends with him for 12

02:02:12.539 --> 02:02:15.479
or 13 years. Met him and his family in Maui on

02:02:15.479 --> 02:02:17.300
the beach when my daughter's really young and

02:02:17.300 --> 02:02:18.539
his kids are really young. They became friends.

02:02:18.739 --> 02:02:20.479
We've hung out together, vacationed together.

02:02:20.699 --> 02:02:22.420
He's a sweetheart of a guy. I love that guy.

02:02:24.319 --> 02:02:28.279
And when he was interviewing Trump, Trump said,

02:02:29.300 --> 02:02:32.199
That there is a military industrial complex and

02:02:32.199 --> 02:02:34.739
these guys want to go to war. Yep, and we were

02:02:34.739 --> 02:02:37.760
like what? This is crazy. You're just saying

02:02:37.760 --> 02:02:40.439
that like you're just saying that it's one of

02:02:40.439 --> 02:02:44.079
the many reasons Why a lot of people liked him?

02:02:44.140 --> 02:02:46.359
Oh, yeah He would do things like that where he

02:02:46.359 --> 02:02:48.699
would completely break protocol and just say

02:02:48.699 --> 02:02:51.380
let me know Let me let me let you know rather.

02:02:51.579 --> 02:02:53.520
Let me inform you. There's a bunch of people

02:02:53.520 --> 02:02:56.270
that want to go to war And they're pushing me

02:02:56.270 --> 02:02:57.850
all the time to go to war. That's what they want.

02:02:57.930 --> 02:03:00.350
It was so crazy, dude, because also even Eisenhower,

02:03:00.369 --> 02:03:02.130
when he coined the term, it was in his farewell

02:03:02.130 --> 02:03:04.090
address to the nation. He was literally like,

02:03:04.149 --> 02:03:06.149
this is my last stop and then I'm leaving. Trump

02:03:06.149 --> 02:03:07.770
was just in the middle of his presidency and

02:03:07.770 --> 02:03:09.750
he goes, all of them want war. They all want

02:03:09.750 --> 02:03:11.470
me to be in war all the time. If it was up to

02:03:11.470 --> 02:03:14.569
them, we'd always be at war. And I do, you know,

02:03:14.569 --> 02:03:17.050
now, look, that was great. I thought actually

02:03:17.050 --> 02:03:19.390
the one to me that was even crazier was if you

02:03:19.390 --> 02:03:21.640
remember when Bill O 'Reilly. was interviewing

02:03:21.640 --> 02:03:24.340
him, and he's talking about Vladimir Putin. And

02:03:24.340 --> 02:03:26.119
he goes, he's like, oh, well, you won't, you

02:03:26.119 --> 02:03:27.520
know, at the time, Donald Trump, which he had

02:03:27.520 --> 02:03:30.279
run on, he was saying we should have detente

02:03:30.279 --> 02:03:32.380
with Russia. He goes, like, why do we, you know,

02:03:32.380 --> 02:03:33.760
we have all the nuclear weapons. He's like, Putin's

02:03:33.760 --> 02:03:36.060
killed people. Yeah, he goes, Putin's a killer.

02:03:36.279 --> 02:03:37.979
You want to have a detente with a killer? And

02:03:37.979 --> 02:03:40.520
he goes, we got a lot of killers, too. And then

02:03:40.520 --> 02:03:42.239
he goes, whoa, whoa, whoa, what do you mean we

02:03:42.239 --> 02:03:43.899
got a lot of killers, too? And he goes, what

02:03:43.899 --> 02:03:46.140
was Iraq? What was that? We got a lot of killers

02:03:46.140 --> 02:03:47.760
on our side, too. And then Bill O 'Reilly said,

02:03:47.819 --> 02:03:50.739
well, I mean, Iraq was a mistake. But he goes,

02:03:50.819 --> 02:03:53.539
yeah, we got a lot of killers, too. And I love

02:03:53.539 --> 02:03:56.680
that, by the way. I mean, that was a that's breaking

02:03:56.680 --> 02:03:59.659
protocol. Yes. Yes. Well, I think this is kind

02:03:59.659 --> 02:04:03.760
of I think one of the main reasons why the establishment

02:04:03.760 --> 02:04:06.760
revolted against Trump the way they did. There's

02:04:06.760 --> 02:04:10.220
something very scary to the powers that be about

02:04:10.220 --> 02:04:14.149
a guy who, like, by his very nature. Like, I

02:04:14.149 --> 02:04:17.510
don't even think he's capable of not letting

02:04:17.510 --> 02:04:19.270
things slip. Right. You know what I mean? Like,

02:04:19.270 --> 02:04:23.329
he's just that's who he is. And that was a big

02:04:23.329 --> 02:04:25.149
thing that people really didn't like about him.

02:04:25.189 --> 02:04:29.590
Very interesting to me is that so many of the

02:04:29.590 --> 02:04:33.529
never Trumpers have come to define his presidency.

02:04:34.229 --> 02:04:38.270
Like, if you if you remember back in 2016, the

02:04:38.270 --> 02:04:43.260
the. war hawk kind of Israel first or Republican

02:04:43.260 --> 02:04:47.279
crowd, the neocons and all them. They hated Donald

02:04:47.279 --> 02:04:50.000
Trump, hated him with a passion. Ben Shapiro

02:04:50.000 --> 02:04:53.039
was a never Trumper. He said because of his deeply

02:04:53.039 --> 02:04:55.720
held principles, he could never support Donald

02:04:55.720 --> 02:04:58.819
Trump. Mark Levin was a never Trumper, all of

02:04:58.819 --> 02:05:02.939
National Review, all of them. And now they are

02:05:02.939 --> 02:05:06.300
the biggest Trump supporters ever as kind of

02:05:06.300 --> 02:05:08.359
he's blown up the coalition that got him elected.

02:05:08.989 --> 02:05:10.850
So it's kind of interesting that they all, you

02:05:10.850 --> 02:05:14.890
know, you know, but again, tell those guys to

02:05:14.890 --> 02:05:17.390
all stay off Twitter. There's not one thing that

02:05:17.390 --> 02:05:19.850
they ever say that makes them look better. They

02:05:19.850 --> 02:05:22.869
get in these silly fucking, they just feel like

02:05:22.869 --> 02:05:24.510
they're going to make some stupid fucking statement

02:05:24.510 --> 02:05:26.989
and then refute a couple of people and don't

02:05:26.989 --> 02:05:31.050
understand the crowd reaction when you've got

02:05:31.050 --> 02:05:34.069
thousands of people tweeting against you now.

02:05:34.640 --> 02:05:36.659
Thousands just attacking you, destroying you,

02:05:36.699 --> 02:05:39.560
posting memes, posting videos. You said this

02:05:39.560 --> 02:05:42.039
and you said that. You piece of shit. It's amazing.

02:05:42.340 --> 02:05:46.020
It's crazy. I got to say, I do love that dynamic

02:05:46.020 --> 02:05:48.920
of it. I love it too. That's why I stay off of

02:05:48.920 --> 02:05:51.479
it. Yeah. Look, there's problems with it, but

02:05:51.479 --> 02:05:54.119
there is something about that dynamic now that

02:05:54.119 --> 02:05:56.100
was just never true in the past where it's like,

02:05:56.199 --> 02:05:58.279
look, I'm not saying it's perfect. And obviously

02:05:58.279 --> 02:06:00.640
there's bots and there's things like that. So

02:06:00.640 --> 02:06:03.239
it's not like a, but. The people kind of get

02:06:03.239 --> 02:06:05.039
a voice in a way that they never had before.

02:06:05.119 --> 02:06:07.460
Right. And there is something kind of cool about

02:06:07.460 --> 02:06:10.500
that. A hundred percent. I love it. But it's

02:06:10.500 --> 02:06:12.920
not all the people either. It's a lot of fake

02:06:12.920 --> 02:06:14.619
people. There's a lot of like state sponsored

02:06:14.619 --> 02:06:17.180
actors. No, that's true. That's true. There's

02:06:17.180 --> 02:06:18.720
manipulation. But there was always manipulation

02:06:18.720 --> 02:06:21.460
in the old order also. Do you see this YouTube

02:06:21.460 --> 02:06:24.979
bot farm that they just busted? No. They busted

02:06:24.979 --> 02:06:29.939
this fucking warehouse had cell phones all rigged

02:06:29.939 --> 02:06:32.920
up for YouTube views. Where people would just,

02:06:32.960 --> 02:06:35.960
they would just hire a company and say, hey,

02:06:36.159 --> 02:06:38.279
you know, part of the problem is not getting

02:06:38.279 --> 02:06:40.600
enough views. I'd really like to blow the fuck

02:06:40.600 --> 02:06:43.520
up and get to number one. And you hire them and

02:06:43.520 --> 02:06:46.119
they can get views. Interesting. Yeah. Well,

02:06:46.180 --> 02:06:47.939
that's also, I mean, I guess if you've got advertisements,

02:06:48.220 --> 02:06:51.699
that's legit. 100%. That's like actual fraud.

02:06:52.239 --> 02:06:55.260
100%. And kind of a weird loophole where I don't

02:06:55.260 --> 02:06:58.020
think it's illegal. Yeah, that's got to be interesting.

02:06:58.819 --> 02:07:00.680
It's got to be some type of fraud, though, if

02:07:00.680 --> 02:07:03.180
you're intentionally doing that. Maybe if you

02:07:03.180 --> 02:07:07.119
didn't know. Right. But listen, Twitter pays

02:07:07.119 --> 02:07:12.119
people. X pays people to post. So you pay based

02:07:12.119 --> 02:07:14.319
on engagement, right? That's how you get paid.

02:07:14.319 --> 02:07:19.020
So you farm out engagement. So like what percentage

02:07:19.020 --> 02:07:21.960
of what we're interacting with is just horseshit?

02:07:22.039 --> 02:07:24.539
Well, I got so what does it say here? I know

02:07:24.539 --> 02:07:26.420
this story just happened. A guy got arrested

02:07:26.420 --> 02:07:29.100
and had to plead guilty because he made, I think,

02:07:29.100 --> 02:07:31.180
I think what happens, he made a fake ban. Yeah.

02:07:31.439 --> 02:07:35.460
Yeah. He had an AR generated song. Oh, wow. It

02:07:35.460 --> 02:07:38.100
played billions of times in an effort to mimic

02:07:38.100 --> 02:07:40.039
the genuine streaming activity of real consumers.

02:07:40.380 --> 02:07:42.619
Smith pled guilty today, conspiracy to commit

02:07:42.619 --> 02:07:45.500
wire fraud. Wire fraud. Check this out, though.

02:07:45.539 --> 02:07:47.760
I heard a similar story in Japan. First of all,

02:07:47.760 --> 02:07:49.899
let me stop you right there. Michael Smith generated

02:07:49.899 --> 02:07:52.779
thousands of fake songs using artificial intelligence.

02:07:52.979 --> 02:07:55.939
Hey, hey, hey. Stop talking shit about AI music

02:07:55.939 --> 02:07:58.640
because it's not fake. Those are real songs.

02:07:59.399 --> 02:08:03.119
Don't say fake songs. They're real songs, and

02:08:03.119 --> 02:08:06.100
some of them are fucking bangers. Unfortunately,

02:08:06.500 --> 02:08:08.920
some of them are really good. You're going to

02:08:08.920 --> 02:08:10.939
like what I was going to say, then. A guy was

02:08:10.939 --> 02:08:14.720
doing this in Japan, and it got... And so he

02:08:14.720 --> 02:08:17.840
hired people to be the band. And now the band

02:08:17.840 --> 02:08:22.460
is a real band. Kind of popular. So AI is creating

02:08:22.460 --> 02:08:26.380
jobs in this case. Shifty Brent rules, though.

02:08:26.460 --> 02:08:28.779
You can never create him in real life. He's the

02:08:28.779 --> 02:08:31.560
guy who does the 50 cent ones. Oh, yeah. I've

02:08:31.560 --> 02:08:33.800
seen quite a few of those. First of all, that

02:08:33.800 --> 02:08:36.000
guy was really, he'd have lungs like a fucking

02:08:36.000 --> 02:08:38.279
ultramarathon runner because the flow. Like,

02:08:38.300 --> 02:08:39.840
how can you even have air to say what you're

02:08:39.840 --> 02:08:42.119
saying? Like, someone was saying that to me.

02:08:42.159 --> 02:08:44.880
She was like, I think you couldn't do this. And

02:08:44.880 --> 02:08:47.000
my argument was Eminem. I was like, yeah, you

02:08:47.000 --> 02:08:49.159
could. You just have to be wicked at it, like

02:08:49.159 --> 02:08:51.560
Eminem. Like, Eminem in his prime, that motherfucker

02:08:51.560 --> 02:08:54.079
could spit in a way where you're like, I can't

02:08:54.079 --> 02:08:56.979
believe he's still talking. Yeah, it was, I remember

02:08:56.979 --> 02:08:58.779
there were a couple of his things where I was

02:08:58.779 --> 02:09:00.739
like, I don't, can he actually do this? And then

02:09:00.739 --> 02:09:03.239
I saw him do it live. Not like I was there, but

02:09:03.239 --> 02:09:04.939
saw it on YouTube where you're like, oh, he can

02:09:04.939 --> 02:09:07.000
actually rap like this. I saw him recently. I

02:09:07.000 --> 02:09:09.119
saw him recently. It was fucking great. He's

02:09:09.119 --> 02:09:11.760
still great. He's thin. He looks good. Yeah,

02:09:11.819 --> 02:09:13.800
he was killing it, man. He was killing it. But

02:09:13.800 --> 02:09:17.279
the speed in which that he can rap made me go,

02:09:17.319 --> 02:09:20.880
maybe AI is not bullshitting. But 50 Cent himself

02:09:20.880 --> 02:09:24.680
was much more casual in his delivery. Yes. And

02:09:24.680 --> 02:09:29.449
it was much slower. This shifty Brent AI version

02:09:29.449 --> 02:09:33.510
is like, damn, that was a real person. That'd

02:09:33.510 --> 02:09:35.189
be pretty great. He would be the greatest artist

02:09:35.189 --> 02:09:37.210
on earth. There was a guy, I can't remember his

02:09:37.210 --> 02:09:40.170
name, but just like the other day, some guy,

02:09:40.270 --> 02:09:42.710
he works for Fox News. And he came out and had

02:09:42.710 --> 02:09:46.670
a whole post about me. And he goes, Dave Smith's

02:09:46.670 --> 02:09:50.090
account is clearly botted by foreign. And when

02:09:50.090 --> 02:09:52.850
he said that, I was almost kind of like, there's

02:09:52.850 --> 02:09:55.710
a weird thing. I know I've never paid for anything,

02:09:55.770 --> 02:09:58.319
but like. I don't know what I mean, like what

02:09:58.319 --> 02:09:59.800
someone else might have done or something like

02:09:59.800 --> 02:10:02.420
that. But I asked him, so I replied to him and

02:10:02.420 --> 02:10:04.920
I go, wait, what evidence do you have of this?

02:10:05.039 --> 02:10:09.060
And then his post was that he said, because I

02:10:09.060 --> 02:10:13.399
had 900 ,000 followers on Twitter, but I'm playing

02:10:13.399 --> 02:10:16.020
Laugh Boston this weekend. And he goes, that's

02:10:16.020 --> 02:10:19.909
a 300 seat venue. I played that many times, too.

02:10:19.989 --> 02:10:21.729
First of all, he doesn't understand comedy clubs.

02:10:21.729 --> 02:10:24.170
You just don't get comedy clubs, dude. First

02:10:24.170 --> 02:10:26.970
of all, I'm doing five shows there. By the way,

02:10:26.989 --> 02:10:29.529
come on out this weekend. Great club. Great club.

02:10:29.829 --> 02:10:32.529
One of my favorite weekends of last year. It's

02:10:32.529 --> 02:10:34.430
a fucking great room. But I was like, look, man,

02:10:34.510 --> 02:10:36.590
I sold out all the shows last year. Hoping to

02:10:36.590 --> 02:10:40.050
do the same this year. But I go, that is any...

02:10:40.300 --> 02:10:42.180
Like, I just know the industry of stand -up comedy

02:10:42.180 --> 02:10:44.479
pretty well. And I was like, anybody who you're

02:10:44.479 --> 02:10:46.300
saying would be selling more than this, so what,

02:10:46.300 --> 02:10:48.479
selling out big theaters or selling out a stadium

02:10:48.479 --> 02:10:50.239
or something like that, all the people who do

02:10:50.239 --> 02:10:52.939
that have more followers than me. So, like, he's

02:10:52.939 --> 02:10:55.619
not even right about the ratio of it or whatever.

02:10:55.779 --> 02:10:58.060
He doesn't understand numbers. But then I kind

02:10:58.060 --> 02:11:00.460
of, like, I grilled him on it a bit more because,

02:11:00.619 --> 02:11:02.739
listen, I'm kind of like you. Like, when you

02:11:02.739 --> 02:11:04.579
were talking about suing CNN back in the day

02:11:04.579 --> 02:11:06.460
for slandering you, like, I'm never actually

02:11:06.460 --> 02:11:09.930
going to do it. But I don't mind. Saying it.

02:11:09.949 --> 02:11:12.289
You know what I mean? So I tagged Fox News and

02:11:12.289 --> 02:11:13.750
I go, hey, Fox News, shouldn't you have some

02:11:13.750 --> 02:11:15.430
evidence if you're going to make a claim? Like

02:11:15.430 --> 02:11:18.569
I'm clearly. Botted by foreign influence or whatever.

02:11:18.609 --> 02:11:20.989
Fox News actually said it? The guy works for

02:11:20.989 --> 02:11:23.170
Fox News. Was he on Fox News when he said it?

02:11:23.170 --> 02:11:25.590
No, he said it on Twitter. But he's like a Fox

02:11:25.590 --> 02:11:27.250
News contributor or something like that. Right,

02:11:27.250 --> 02:11:29.250
but I'm a UFC contributor. It wouldn't be like

02:11:29.250 --> 02:11:32.149
the UFC. Yeah, I guess that's true. So I don't

02:11:32.149 --> 02:11:33.510
know. Maybe it would just be him in either way.

02:11:33.550 --> 02:11:35.550
I'm not suing anyone. But I did want him to just,

02:11:35.590 --> 02:11:37.890
I go, just admit you don't have any evidence

02:11:37.890 --> 02:11:40.010
for this. Like, just retract that. Well, here's

02:11:40.010 --> 02:11:42.449
the thing. I would agree that your account is

02:11:42.449 --> 02:11:44.949
botted because you're a very controversial public

02:11:44.949 --> 02:11:49.140
figure. I'm sure my account is botted, too. I'm

02:11:49.140 --> 02:11:51.779
sure Jamie's account is botted. 100%, right?

02:11:52.699 --> 02:11:55.819
I'll show you the evidence. I think Jamie might

02:11:55.819 --> 02:11:58.659
be a bot himself. We're all botted, man. If you

02:11:58.659 --> 02:12:00.640
look at, you know, we've brought this up a million

02:12:00.640 --> 02:12:03.680
times, but there was an FBI, former FBI analyst

02:12:03.680 --> 02:12:06.979
who analyzed Twitter before the purchase, and

02:12:06.979 --> 02:12:10.859
it was his take that as much as 80 % might be

02:12:10.859 --> 02:12:13.579
artificial. Now, this is back then. This is before

02:12:13.579 --> 02:12:16.880
Elon purchased it. I think they've taken some

02:12:16.880 --> 02:12:19.779
steps to try to ensure. One of the things is

02:12:19.779 --> 02:12:22.479
you could go to the person's page. You could

02:12:22.479 --> 02:12:24.460
see what country they're posting from. Yes, I

02:12:24.460 --> 02:12:25.859
like that a lot. Yeah, because there's a lot

02:12:25.859 --> 02:12:27.399
of people that are pro -America. And you're like,

02:12:27.479 --> 02:12:30.239
hey, man, you're in Pakistan. What's going on

02:12:30.239 --> 02:12:32.680
here? This is kind of kooky. So there's a lot

02:12:32.680 --> 02:12:35.840
of that going on. I've had before where people

02:12:35.840 --> 02:12:38.119
go like, Dave, you always say Israel's trying

02:12:38.119 --> 02:12:40.460
to lie us into war. But this is America. We decide

02:12:40.460 --> 02:12:41.829
what war we're going to have. a fight and then

02:12:41.829 --> 02:12:44.409
you click it, Israel. It's just a dude in Israel

02:12:44.409 --> 02:12:46.890
saying that. But at least we're getting steps

02:12:46.890 --> 02:12:49.149
to know those. Listen, if it wasn't for Elon

02:12:49.149 --> 02:12:52.449
Musk, we would be fucked. I've said this before.

02:12:52.529 --> 02:12:55.770
I'll say it again. History will go back and look

02:12:55.770 --> 02:12:59.689
at his purchasing Twitter and it has changed

02:12:59.689 --> 02:13:03.409
the course of communication in this country for

02:13:03.409 --> 02:13:05.890
the better. No question. I know a lot of you

02:13:05.890 --> 02:13:08.050
thought, oh my God, the racism is up and all

02:13:08.050 --> 02:13:11.390
this stuff is up. That's people. That's the internet.

02:13:11.489 --> 02:13:14.310
That is an accurate representation of people.

02:13:14.489 --> 02:13:17.609
It's not good, but it's also accurate. And the

02:13:17.609 --> 02:13:20.270
only way that's going to change is if the other

02:13:20.270 --> 02:13:22.949
voices are more compelling. And at least now

02:13:22.949 --> 02:13:25.529
they have an opportunity to do that. Yeah, well,

02:13:25.609 --> 02:13:28.989
and you have to kind of engage in this. And I'm

02:13:28.989 --> 02:13:30.529
not saying you have to be on Twitter or something

02:13:30.529 --> 02:13:31.729
like that. But I'm just saying, like, if you

02:13:31.729 --> 02:13:36.750
want to, you know, I would love very much. to

02:13:36.750 --> 02:13:38.529
get to a place where like, you'd be like, hey,

02:13:38.590 --> 02:13:40.989
let's all agree that we're not on board with

02:13:40.989 --> 02:13:43.270
the bigotry stuff. And I mean this like, whether

02:13:43.270 --> 02:13:45.310
it's against white men or whether it's against

02:13:45.310 --> 02:13:47.250
black men or whether it's against Jews or whether

02:13:47.250 --> 02:13:48.850
it's against Muslims or whatever. And I see a

02:13:48.850 --> 02:13:51.050
whole lot of all of that. And I'd love to move

02:13:51.050 --> 02:13:57.270
past that. I also would, like, I wish there was

02:13:57.270 --> 02:14:00.479
a way that like, Mark Levin and Tucker Carlson

02:14:00.479 --> 02:14:02.640
could have like a cool conversation. You know

02:14:02.640 --> 02:14:05.000
what I mean? Oh, God. Not like be like, well,

02:14:05.119 --> 02:14:06.779
look, it's not. I wish Santa Claus and Jesus

02:14:06.779 --> 02:14:09.020
would come meet me for dinner. Well, both would

02:14:09.020 --> 02:14:11.939
be nice. The latter is more likely, I think,

02:14:11.939 --> 02:14:13.819
too, at this point. You know, I had a weird thing.

02:14:14.060 --> 02:14:17.359
I don't know if you saw this, but Ben Shapiro,

02:14:17.539 --> 02:14:22.359
he made this video about like, about Piers Morgan

02:14:22.359 --> 02:14:26.199
and like going at him over having me. on the

02:14:26.199 --> 02:14:30.199
show, and this whole thing, and so he says to

02:14:30.199 --> 02:14:33.260
me, or he insults me a few times or whatever,

02:14:33.500 --> 02:14:36.600
and then he goes, now I can hear Dave Smith right

02:14:36.600 --> 02:14:39.319
now, and his response to this is, debate me,

02:14:39.399 --> 02:14:42.340
bro, which, fair enough, that kind of is always

02:14:42.340 --> 02:14:44.659
my, I only have one tool in my toolkit, like,

02:14:44.739 --> 02:14:47.579
let's podcast about this, I don't know, this

02:14:47.579 --> 02:14:49.899
is what I do, I talk. He's not willing to do

02:14:49.899 --> 02:14:53.380
that? He goes, no, because you're like so, He

02:14:53.380 --> 02:14:55.640
said because I won't – I don't debate such intellectually

02:14:55.640 --> 02:14:57.859
dishonest people or something like that, which

02:14:57.859 --> 02:15:00.279
I thought was a weird criticism of me. Like you

02:15:00.279 --> 02:15:02.460
could say I'm wrong, but I do believe the shit

02:15:02.460 --> 02:15:05.619
I say. Yeah, I don't think you're – I don't think

02:15:05.619 --> 02:15:10.500
in any demonstration of any – I don't think there's

02:15:10.500 --> 02:15:12.479
a single moment that I could point to that I

02:15:12.479 --> 02:15:14.479
think that you've been intellectually dishonest.

02:15:14.579 --> 02:15:17.319
I think that is like factually incorrect. Well,

02:15:17.319 --> 02:15:20.520
thank you. That is gaslighting. You are very

02:15:20.520 --> 02:15:23.659
honest. You're a very honest person. Well, thank

02:15:23.659 --> 02:15:26.039
you. I try to be. No, you are. It's one of the

02:15:26.039 --> 02:15:27.979
things I love about you. You're honest about

02:15:27.979 --> 02:15:30.420
your fuck -ups. You're honest about what you're

02:15:30.420 --> 02:15:33.579
incorrect about and what bothered you. Plenty.

02:15:33.640 --> 02:15:36.060
About things that you've said. You're very honest.

02:15:36.159 --> 02:15:38.119
So that's a silly thing to say. That's total

02:15:38.119 --> 02:15:40.920
gaslighting. Well, I look at it like this. And

02:15:40.920 --> 02:15:43.520
I don't, you know. Honestly, like, obviously,

02:15:43.579 --> 02:15:45.760
if Ben Shapiro wanted to debate, I would do it.

02:15:46.239 --> 02:15:47.840
But he debated everybody before all this shit

02:15:47.840 --> 02:15:48.739
went down. Well, that's the thing. You go, dude,

02:15:48.819 --> 02:15:51.039
you can't say I'm beyond the pale when you're

02:15:51.039 --> 02:15:53.720
known for debating 19 -year -olds who are confused

02:15:53.720 --> 02:15:55.260
about their gender. You know what I'm saying?

02:15:55.380 --> 02:15:57.640
Everybody. No, I don't know if you remember this.

02:15:57.680 --> 02:15:59.939
And this, to me, I actually think is very interesting.

02:16:00.039 --> 02:16:01.279
But I don't know if you remember this. But on

02:16:01.279 --> 02:16:04.680
this show, Ben was on years ago. You know, years

02:16:04.680 --> 02:16:06.659
before October 7th or anything like that. But

02:16:06.659 --> 02:16:09.239
he was talking about Israel and his defense for

02:16:09.239 --> 02:16:11.779
Israel. And you went, you go, that's interesting.

02:16:11.850 --> 02:16:14.850
Would you ever debate someone, you know, who's

02:16:14.850 --> 02:16:17.270
a critic of Israel? And just generically, not

02:16:17.270 --> 02:16:19.090
about a specific person. And he goes, absolutely.

02:16:19.329 --> 02:16:22.069
I'd be happy to do that. And, you know, the thing

02:16:22.069 --> 02:16:24.409
about guys like that is that particularly with

02:16:24.409 --> 02:16:26.890
Ben Shapiro, for the last two and a half years.

02:16:27.439 --> 02:16:29.880
His number one issue, Israel, has been the number

02:16:29.880 --> 02:16:32.600
one topic of conversation. And in that time,

02:16:32.719 --> 02:16:35.420
Israel's support has been bleeding. I mean, just

02:16:35.420 --> 02:16:37.899
like to a level you couldn't have imagined. You

02:16:37.899 --> 02:16:39.139
couldn't have imagined two and a half years ago

02:16:39.139 --> 02:16:41.440
to go, this will be a pro -Palestinian country.

02:16:41.579 --> 02:16:44.100
That was unthinkable. And it's become that. And

02:16:44.100 --> 02:16:46.959
forget me. There's way better people than me.

02:16:47.239 --> 02:16:51.500
Ben Shapiro debated no one. He never once had

02:16:51.500 --> 02:16:55.299
a conversation with a competent critic of Israel.

02:16:56.100 --> 02:16:59.920
And that, listen, people saw that. People noticed

02:16:59.920 --> 02:17:03.139
that. And so I kind of in a weird way feel like,

02:17:03.159 --> 02:17:04.540
it's like, hey, dude, I don't care if you do

02:17:04.540 --> 02:17:06.319
the debate with me or not. I wish, I don't think

02:17:06.319 --> 02:17:08.280
we ever can. I wish there would be a world where

02:17:08.280 --> 02:17:10.139
we could have a good faith conversation, like

02:17:10.139 --> 02:17:12.180
a guy with me and Ben Shapiro. But he refused

02:17:12.180 --> 02:17:15.190
to do it with anyone. Anyway, so while you're

02:17:15.190 --> 02:17:17.190
smearing everybody who's a critic of Israel,

02:17:17.370 --> 02:17:19.729
you're not willing to like you. Listen, there

02:17:19.729 --> 02:17:22.090
are some people who don't debate, but he branded

02:17:22.090 --> 02:17:24.590
himself as the debate guy. Right. If you don't

02:17:24.590 --> 02:17:26.370
like Dave, sit down with Scott Horton. Sure.

02:17:26.569 --> 02:17:28.329
Absolutely. Scott Horton's way smarter than me

02:17:28.329 --> 02:17:30.290
and knows way more shit than me anyway. So talk

02:17:30.290 --> 02:17:31.969
to him about it, dude. I mean, he's a better

02:17:31.969 --> 02:17:33.430
guy. If you're saying that this is the reason

02:17:33.430 --> 02:17:35.270
why you won't do it, that sounds crazy because

02:17:35.879 --> 02:17:37.860
Wouldn't you want to debate someone who's intellectually

02:17:37.860 --> 02:17:39.940
dishonest? Because it would be so easy to refute

02:17:39.940 --> 02:17:42.940
them with facts. It would be perfect. It's like

02:17:42.940 --> 02:17:47.350
sparring a guy who knows fake kung fu. You know,

02:17:47.350 --> 02:17:48.829
he thinks he's got a death touch, and you're

02:17:48.829 --> 02:17:50.670
Dustin Poirier. You're like, oh, yeah, bro, lace

02:17:50.670 --> 02:17:52.469
the gloves up. Let's go. Well, that was kind

02:17:52.469 --> 02:17:54.409
of my thing with the Douglas Murray thing, too,

02:17:54.469 --> 02:17:55.809
where it was like, at a certain point, you're

02:17:55.809 --> 02:17:58.090
like, dude, you can't just say you're an expert

02:17:58.090 --> 02:18:01.409
and I'm not an expert. Demonstrate that. If that's

02:18:01.409 --> 02:18:03.889
the case, then it should be easy for you to just

02:18:03.889 --> 02:18:06.290
chop me up in front of the world right now. There

02:18:06.290 --> 02:18:07.809
was also some things that you had to correct

02:18:07.809 --> 02:18:10.309
him on. Yeah, yeah. The history of Israel. Yeah,

02:18:10.370 --> 02:18:11.690
like, you just got it wrong. And you could see,

02:18:11.690 --> 02:18:13.909
like, the tremor in his eyes, like, oh, shit.

02:18:14.129 --> 02:18:15.729
Like, they don't want to give up that ground

02:18:15.729 --> 02:18:17.129
because they're playing. very different game.

02:18:17.170 --> 02:18:20.569
And the game is not let's be intellectually honest

02:18:20.569 --> 02:18:23.409
about what we think is going on and what we think

02:18:23.409 --> 02:18:25.370
is good and bad about what's going on versus

02:18:25.370 --> 02:18:28.290
I'm trying to win. And one of the ways I try

02:18:28.290 --> 02:18:32.729
to win is by I can appeal to authority. You're

02:18:32.729 --> 02:18:35.469
not an expert. You're not a this. You're not

02:18:35.469 --> 02:18:39.090
a professor. You've never been there. That kind

02:18:39.090 --> 02:18:43.590
of shit. That is all like hack ass fake kung

02:18:43.590 --> 02:18:46.940
fu moves. You're going to try on Francis Ngannou.

02:18:47.040 --> 02:18:49.120
You know what I mean? Yeah. Good luck with that.

02:18:49.440 --> 02:18:51.520
Not that I'm comparing you to Francis Ngannou.

02:18:51.520 --> 02:18:55.420
That's very disrespectful to Francis. Certainly

02:18:55.420 --> 02:18:57.100
not when it comes to fighting. You'd much rather

02:18:57.100 --> 02:18:59.059
fight me. This is Ronda Rousey card. They got

02:18:59.059 --> 02:19:02.440
Francis fighting Phillip Lins, who's a light

02:19:02.440 --> 02:19:05.340
heavyweight. In the UFC, and the UFC cut him,

02:19:05.399 --> 02:19:07.500
and he's fighting the scariest heavyweight who's

02:19:07.500 --> 02:19:09.280
ever walked the face of the earth. I mean, props

02:19:09.280 --> 02:19:11.659
to him. Next to primetime Alistair Overeem. Primetime

02:19:11.659 --> 02:19:14.040
Alistair Overeem when he was Ubering, I think

02:19:14.040 --> 02:19:17.120
is even scarier. I think because he was way skillful.

02:19:17.239 --> 02:19:20.420
He was terrifying when he was on the sauce. Yes,

02:19:20.440 --> 02:19:25.420
but even... Francis is natural, so he's scarier.

02:19:25.520 --> 02:19:27.360
Francis almost has a thing where it just seems

02:19:27.360 --> 02:19:31.399
like you have to fight a perfect fight against

02:19:31.399 --> 02:19:34.329
him. Which Stipe Miocic did. The first fight.

02:19:34.389 --> 02:19:35.950
The first fight with him. He took a lot of shots.

02:19:36.090 --> 02:19:38.229
That's the thing about Stipe. Like, Stipe could

02:19:38.229 --> 02:19:40.489
take a shot. And you would see he would, like,

02:19:40.489 --> 02:19:42.329
jab him, and he'd be rocked, but he'd still get

02:19:42.329 --> 02:19:45.030
the takedown, and he exhausted him. He beat him

02:19:45.030 --> 02:19:47.870
with skill, strategy, experience, everything.

02:19:47.989 --> 02:19:50.489
But in the second one, DC said it best. He goes,

02:19:50.530 --> 02:19:53.069
a patient Francis is a fucking terrifying thing.

02:19:53.309 --> 02:19:56.489
Dude, my favorite commentary ever in a fight.

02:19:56.870 --> 02:19:59.629
was when DC said it was just so hilarious to

02:19:59.629 --> 02:20:01.590
me. It was so real. Like, he just meant it. But

02:20:01.590 --> 02:20:06.690
it was when Francis Ngannou fought Gon, and he

02:20:06.690 --> 02:20:08.450
grappled a little bit. in that fight, which we

02:20:08.450 --> 02:20:10.709
had never seen him do before. But there was one

02:20:10.709 --> 02:20:13.850
point where he was on the ground and he took

02:20:13.850 --> 02:20:15.989
his back or something like that. He passed his

02:20:15.989 --> 02:20:17.350
guard or he took his back or something like that.

02:20:17.469 --> 02:20:20.809
And DC just goes, oh my God, he's doing jujitsu

02:20:20.809 --> 02:20:24.049
now. It was like he was speaking of a robot who

02:20:24.049 --> 02:20:26.030
just learned how to feel feelings. He goes, oh

02:20:26.030 --> 02:20:28.989
my God, it's learning. It's advancing. This is

02:20:28.989 --> 02:20:32.409
so terrifying. A guy that's that much of a destroyer

02:20:32.409 --> 02:20:34.409
that learns how to take backs and strangle people

02:20:34.409 --> 02:20:36.729
too and control you from the back and blast you

02:20:36.729 --> 02:20:38.610
unconscious. like he did with that dude in the

02:20:38.610 --> 02:20:41.610
PFL in his last fight. Took his back and just

02:20:41.610 --> 02:20:43.950
blasted him into the netherworld. Yeah, that's

02:20:43.950 --> 02:20:46.190
scary. He's the scariest guy that's ever fought

02:20:46.190 --> 02:20:48.549
in the UFC. Props to that dude for taking the

02:20:48.549 --> 02:20:50.690
fight. Scariest natural clean guy, I should say

02:20:50.690 --> 02:20:52.909
that. Okay, yeah, fair enough. Fair enough. Because

02:20:52.909 --> 02:20:55.530
we only got a couple Alistair Overeem fights

02:20:55.530 --> 02:20:57.370
where he was Overeem, and the big one being Brock

02:20:57.370 --> 02:20:59.760
Lesnar. That was the big one. And, of course,

02:20:59.799 --> 02:21:01.399
the other fight on that card that they added,

02:21:01.440 --> 02:21:03.879
which is huge, is the Nate Diaz. Well, here was

02:21:03.879 --> 02:21:06.920
my point. If Nate Diaz is fighting, I'm paying

02:21:06.920 --> 02:21:09.440
whatever you're charging. I'm going to be wherever

02:21:09.440 --> 02:21:12.299
it is. And it's Mike Perry. Great fight. Bad

02:21:12.299 --> 02:21:14.899
motherfucker. That's a great fight. But my point

02:21:14.899 --> 02:21:18.399
is they also have Rob Bellis to Spain, who's

02:21:18.399 --> 02:21:22.360
on that card. Who's a 6 '7 Cuban Taekwondo expert.

02:21:22.760 --> 02:21:24.639
Who's a heavyweight. He's a knockout artist.

02:21:24.940 --> 02:21:27.780
Like, why did they have him? He's fighting Junior

02:21:27.780 --> 02:21:30.739
Dos Santos. And Junior Dos Santos is, you know,

02:21:30.799 --> 02:21:34.360
he was an all -time great, but he had a long

02:21:34.360 --> 02:21:36.520
career. And he's had some bad knockouts. And

02:21:36.520 --> 02:21:39.020
some wars, too. Bad wars. The wars with Cain

02:21:39.020 --> 02:21:41.260
Velasquez took years off his life. The war with

02:21:41.260 --> 02:21:43.340
Stipe. It was almost criminal that they didn't

02:21:43.340 --> 02:21:46.510
stop. both of those fights. Well, they were definitely

02:21:46.510 --> 02:21:49.129
horrible and terrible to watch. But the point

02:21:49.129 --> 02:21:52.149
is, Robles is huge. He's a real heavyweight.

02:21:52.209 --> 02:21:54.049
He's a big, giant knockout artist. Like, that

02:21:54.049 --> 02:21:56.229
would have been an interesting fight versus Francis.

02:21:56.690 --> 02:21:59.270
Big, super tall guy that's hard to hit. Yeah.

02:21:59.430 --> 02:22:02.149
And if it just is a striking fight, the problem

02:22:02.149 --> 02:22:05.889
with Robles, he got exposed in his last UFC fight

02:22:05.889 --> 02:22:08.190
on the ground. He got beat up. His ground game's

02:22:08.190 --> 02:22:10.409
not that good. Could have gotten better. But

02:22:10.409 --> 02:22:12.229
on the feet, that's a little bit more interesting

02:22:12.229 --> 02:22:14.770
to me than Phillip. Although Phillip's a skillful

02:22:14.770 --> 02:22:17.389
fighter. You know, he's used to fighting at light

02:22:17.389 --> 02:22:19.969
heavyweight. The UFC cuts him, and now all of

02:22:19.969 --> 02:22:23.969
a sudden he's fighting against Francis. Yeah,

02:22:23.989 --> 02:22:27.110
that's a little bit of a mismatch. But, hey,

02:22:27.309 --> 02:22:28.870
I mean, you know, we've seen crazy shit happen

02:22:28.870 --> 02:22:30.850
in MMA before. I said Phillip. Felipe. I think

02:22:30.850 --> 02:22:33.649
it's pronounced Felipe. Felipe Lins. But he's

02:22:33.649 --> 02:22:36.270
a good fighter. I mean, it's not a bad fight.

02:22:36.920 --> 02:22:39.579
in that sense but it's like you're going up against

02:22:39.579 --> 02:22:41.299
a guy with a chip on his shoulder that they're

02:22:41.299 --> 02:22:43.700
paying 20 million dollars he's the lineal i don't

02:22:43.700 --> 02:22:44.840
know what they're paying him i'm just guessing

02:22:44.840 --> 02:22:47.299
but he's the lineal heavyweight champion of the

02:22:47.299 --> 02:22:49.500
world the real one like if you really like plot

02:22:49.500 --> 02:22:52.979
it out no one beat him for the title that's a

02:22:52.979 --> 02:22:56.100
that's a crazy fight it's like that's how shallow

02:22:56.100 --> 02:22:58.379
the heavyweight division out is outside of the

02:22:58.379 --> 02:23:02.860
ufc there's so few fights for you to get francis

02:23:02.860 --> 02:23:06.270
for There's so few fights in the UFC. I mean,

02:23:06.329 --> 02:23:09.250
the UFC's heavyweight division is a real mess.

02:23:09.649 --> 02:23:12.989
It's very hard to find gigantic men who are excellent

02:23:12.989 --> 02:23:15.440
fighters, I guess. There's a lot in Russia. Okay?

02:23:15.879 --> 02:23:17.780
There's guys that are fighting in other countries

02:23:17.780 --> 02:23:19.879
that are really good, that are coming up. It's

02:23:19.879 --> 02:23:22.459
just like, it's hard to get them over here. There's

02:23:22.459 --> 02:23:25.040
Josh Hokett. He's a bad motherfucker. That wrestler

02:23:25.040 --> 02:23:27.219
dude who's crazy, who has these crazy speeches

02:23:27.219 --> 02:23:29.399
after the fight, puts on an American flag bandana.

02:23:29.760 --> 02:23:33.159
And he said, Brittany Griner has a dick. Brittany

02:23:33.159 --> 02:23:36.440
Griner's a man. I forget what he said. But he's

02:23:36.440 --> 02:23:39.540
just nuts. But he's also really smart about marketing.

02:23:39.559 --> 02:23:41.579
Who's the other guy? You talked about him several

02:23:41.579 --> 02:23:45.850
times. He's the Olympic wrestler. Oh, Gabe. Yeah,

02:23:46.030 --> 02:23:48.790
Gabe Stevenson. Yeah, he's not in yet, though.

02:23:48.889 --> 02:23:51.270
I had him on the podcast. He's not in the UFC

02:23:51.270 --> 02:23:54.809
yet. When he's in the UFC, he's going to be a

02:23:54.809 --> 02:23:58.170
fucking problem. Olympic gold medalist, elite

02:23:58.170 --> 02:24:02.450
wrestler, moves like a cat, 250 pounds, young,

02:24:02.809 --> 02:24:06.469
super dedicated, and just recently learned striking

02:24:06.469 --> 02:24:08.709
and is fucking people up with his hands. Yeah.

02:24:09.069 --> 02:24:11.010
And is picking it up quite quickly. And is a

02:24:11.010 --> 02:24:14.670
John Jones protege. So he's been being mentored

02:24:14.670 --> 02:24:20.190
by the GOAT. And absorbing his mindset. And that

02:24:20.190 --> 02:24:24.190
guy's helping him. He's investing his time into

02:24:24.190 --> 02:24:25.790
training him. If you're a young guy, you know

02:24:25.790 --> 02:24:28.229
what a fucking boost of confidence, the greatest

02:24:28.229 --> 02:24:30.389
of all time, says you're going to be the man?

02:24:30.709 --> 02:24:32.569
You're going to be the fucking man. You just

02:24:32.569 --> 02:24:34.030
stick with this plan. And they're bringing him

02:24:34.030 --> 02:24:36.250
up the right way. He fought in dirty boxing.

02:24:36.510 --> 02:24:39.690
He fought some small MMA organizations. It's

02:24:39.690 --> 02:24:41.989
just like building up experience. Yeah, and there's

02:24:41.989 --> 02:24:47.319
never been a lot of... But there's not really

02:24:47.319 --> 02:24:50.540
right now in heavyweight landscape. There isn't

02:24:50.540 --> 02:24:57.360
really like a Frank Mir or what's his name? Minotaur.

02:24:57.700 --> 02:24:59.840
Noguera. Noguera. Where there used to be these

02:24:59.840 --> 02:25:01.700
guys who were like. kind of known for fighting

02:25:01.700 --> 02:25:03.860
off their back. You know what I mean? Like most

02:25:03.860 --> 02:25:06.040
heavyweights don't really like fighting off their

02:25:06.040 --> 02:25:08.000
back. These, even the guys who are really good

02:25:08.000 --> 02:25:09.879
at jujitsu. I also think just in general, fighting

02:25:09.879 --> 02:25:11.379
off your back is a lot harder than it used to

02:25:11.379 --> 02:25:13.639
be. Fabrizio Verdum was the greatest. Yes. Yes.

02:25:13.659 --> 02:25:15.579
That's a great example. He was incredible. Um,

02:25:15.860 --> 02:25:18.280
but there aren't really that many guys like that.

02:25:18.299 --> 02:25:20.659
A lot of these guys, you take them down. They're

02:25:20.659 --> 02:25:22.420
in trouble. They're in trouble. Yeah. And when

02:25:22.420 --> 02:25:24.159
you got a guy like Gable, guess what, bitch?

02:25:24.459 --> 02:25:26.379
You're going to get taken down. And there's not

02:25:26.379 --> 02:25:29.319
a fucking thing you can do about it. That is

02:25:29.319 --> 02:25:32.540
a next level wrestler. I just saw one of his

02:25:32.540 --> 02:25:35.819
recent fights where he's finishing a double leg.

02:25:36.250 --> 02:25:37.969
Before he realized he knocked the guy out, it

02:25:37.969 --> 02:25:40.450
seemed like. He KO's him with a left hook, and

02:25:40.450 --> 02:25:43.069
he's so fast that as the guy's collapsing on

02:25:43.069 --> 02:25:45.690
the way down, he shoots a double, connects, takes

02:25:45.690 --> 02:25:47.709
him to the ground while he's unconscious. So

02:25:47.709 --> 02:25:50.229
before the guy has a chance to drop, that's how

02:25:50.229 --> 02:25:52.569
fast he is. He's already on him, taking him down,

02:25:52.590 --> 02:25:54.010
and pounds him out while he's already unconscious.

02:25:54.510 --> 02:25:58.450
Yeah, that was scary. That guy's a problem. He's

02:25:58.450 --> 02:26:00.290
a problem. And that's an American heavyweight

02:26:00.290 --> 02:26:02.790
motherfucker. We need one of those. We need some

02:26:02.790 --> 02:26:05.270
American champions. We're down. Get him in the

02:26:05.270 --> 02:26:07.829
White House. Yeah. I mean, are there any American

02:26:07.829 --> 02:26:09.709
champions right now? Who are the American champions?

02:26:10.969 --> 02:26:14.909
Mackenzie Dern is the strawweight champion, so

02:26:14.909 --> 02:26:18.069
she's technically an American, although her dad

02:26:18.069 --> 02:26:21.889
is a very famous Brazilian legend. Okay. Yeah.

02:26:21.969 --> 02:26:25.309
Megaton Diaz is her dad, and she was a Brazilian

02:26:25.309 --> 02:26:29.569
jiu -jitsu champion. But she is American, so

02:26:29.569 --> 02:26:34.000
she's a champion. Other than that, who? Sean

02:26:34.000 --> 02:26:35.579
Strickland's fighting for the title. Kayla Harrison.

02:26:36.879 --> 02:26:40.120
That's right. So it's only women that are the

02:26:40.120 --> 02:26:43.760
Americans. Yeah. Look at that. Boy, you're going

02:26:43.760 --> 02:26:45.540
to see a lot of those dudes with those beards.

02:26:46.040 --> 02:26:48.299
As they keep coming over here, you're going to

02:26:48.299 --> 02:26:50.540
see. Oh, Joshua Vann is an American. That's right.

02:26:52.000 --> 02:26:53.440
Yeah, it is. You got to see a lot of those dudes.

02:26:53.680 --> 02:26:55.959
That's a caveat, though, the Joshua Van. No disrespect

02:26:55.959 --> 02:26:57.860
for Joshua because I think he's an awesome fighter,

02:26:57.979 --> 02:27:00.000
but he won that fight. We got to have a rematch

02:27:00.000 --> 02:27:02.020
on that one. That was a freak injury. I mean,

02:27:02.020 --> 02:27:05.399
he fell and dislocated his arm. It's a complete

02:27:05.399 --> 02:27:08.840
freak injury. And Pantoja still hasn't fully

02:27:08.840 --> 02:27:10.700
recovered from that, so it was pretty bad, whatever

02:27:10.700 --> 02:27:13.239
the fuck. They said his shoulder dislocated and

02:27:13.239 --> 02:27:16.370
his elbow. Yeah, I remember hearing that afterward.

02:27:16.450 --> 02:27:18.629
It looked like it was just his elbow. But they

02:27:18.629 --> 02:27:21.069
said, the doctor had said it was his shoulder.

02:27:21.329 --> 02:27:24.729
And so what the thing about the elbow is, the

02:27:24.729 --> 02:27:27.309
elbow is a less complicated joint, right? And

02:27:27.309 --> 02:27:29.770
so when the elbow gets dislocated, if someone

02:27:29.770 --> 02:27:32.229
just pulls on it, it can pop back into place.

02:27:32.510 --> 02:27:34.870
So like saying that there's, as long as they

02:27:34.870 --> 02:27:36.899
know what they're doing, right? because you don't

02:27:36.899 --> 02:27:39.319
want to do it like Yuri Prohaska's team did and

02:27:39.319 --> 02:27:41.020
rip his shoulder apart, and he needed surgery.

02:27:41.280 --> 02:27:43.780
He probably needed surgery anyway if it was dislocating

02:27:43.780 --> 02:27:46.219
like that. It was probably loose. But the point

02:27:46.219 --> 02:27:49.139
is that his elbow might have popped back into

02:27:49.139 --> 02:27:50.459
place by the time they brought him backstage,

02:27:50.700 --> 02:27:52.520
and that's when they realized his shoulder was

02:27:52.520 --> 02:27:54.760
fucked because his shoulder probably hurt more

02:27:54.760 --> 02:27:57.340
even than his elbow. Right, right, right. That

02:27:57.340 --> 02:27:59.120
was unfortunate because that was a real interesting

02:27:59.120 --> 02:28:02.600
fight. Shoulders dislocate a lot, and sometimes

02:28:02.600 --> 02:28:04.360
people dislocate their shoulders and don't even

02:28:04.360 --> 02:28:08.420
realize they do. Oh, really? Apparently, according

02:28:08.420 --> 02:28:11.579
to this orthopedic surgeon that I went to back

02:28:11.579 --> 02:28:13.180
in the day before I realized that stem cells

02:28:13.180 --> 02:28:15.879
could fix it, this guy was convincing me that

02:28:15.879 --> 02:28:17.620
I had to have surgery. And one of the things

02:28:17.620 --> 02:28:18.940
he said, do you know that your shoulder's been

02:28:18.940 --> 02:28:21.899
dislocated? And I said, it has? He goes, you

02:28:21.899 --> 02:28:24.420
didn't know? I go, no. He goes, how many times

02:28:24.420 --> 02:28:25.819
have you hurt your shoulder? I go, how much time

02:28:25.819 --> 02:28:28.340
you got? I can literally sit down and talk about

02:28:28.340 --> 02:28:30.629
it every time I've been comorbid. How many times

02:28:30.629 --> 02:28:32.469
have I been fucking arm blocked? How many times

02:28:32.469 --> 02:28:34.450
have I been caught in a triangle? How many times,

02:28:34.549 --> 02:28:36.770
you know, posting on the ground, I've jostled

02:28:36.770 --> 02:28:39.290
my shoulder? The good news is there have been

02:28:39.290 --> 02:28:41.370
no fracture or ligament injury. That's great.

02:28:41.850 --> 02:28:44.870
Oh, that's Bahampa said that. So from that, we

02:28:44.870 --> 02:28:47.010
have great expectations for his return, but the

02:28:47.010 --> 02:28:48.590
exact time frame is still unknown. Still needs

02:28:48.590 --> 02:28:51.010
a lot of physiotherapy. Start moving his arm.

02:28:51.290 --> 02:28:53.149
Wow. Then he can go back to light training and

02:28:53.149 --> 02:28:55.229
then hard training. Bro, we got to get that guy

02:28:55.229 --> 02:29:01.110
down to fucking the CPI. And, you know, the cellular

02:29:01.110 --> 02:29:03.530
performance institute that the UFC uses, get

02:29:03.530 --> 02:29:05.770
that dude down to Tijuana. I'm worried about

02:29:05.770 --> 02:29:09.149
the new model for the UFC. The Paramount model?

02:29:09.370 --> 02:29:11.450
I'm worried about the Warren Aran and the new

02:29:11.450 --> 02:29:13.569
UFC model. This is what keeps me up at night.

02:29:13.729 --> 02:29:15.590
I get it. So what are you worried about with

02:29:15.590 --> 02:29:20.430
the new UFC model? Look, I'm no genius, but it

02:29:20.430 --> 02:29:22.770
seems to me like I'm a hardcore fan of the UFC,

02:29:22.930 --> 02:29:26.629
right? So I was, you know, I order every pay

02:29:26.629 --> 02:29:30.739
-per -view. Right. Every one. And so any Saturday,

02:29:30.840 --> 02:29:33.059
if I'm on the road in my green room, we're watching

02:29:33.059 --> 02:29:35.399
the UFC. If I'm not on the road, I'm either at

02:29:35.399 --> 02:29:37.079
home watching it or I'm trying to go to the event

02:29:37.079 --> 02:29:41.579
if it's in town. So then it's like, okay, ESPN

02:29:41.579 --> 02:29:45.360
is over. We're not doing that anymore. So then

02:29:45.360 --> 02:29:47.079
we're switching to Paramount. Now, I already

02:29:47.079 --> 02:29:49.120
had Paramount because my kids like some shows

02:29:49.120 --> 02:29:52.600
on Paramount. So now - Landman. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

02:29:52.639 --> 02:29:56.819
I watch Landman. Great show. So I have Paramount+.

02:29:56.819 --> 02:29:58.120
I'm like, oh, okay, well, that's easy enough.

02:29:58.319 --> 02:30:00.159
And then I'm like, so wait a minute. Hold on.

02:30:00.180 --> 02:30:02.920
So you tell me I just get everyone for free now?

02:30:03.200 --> 02:30:04.940
I just don't have to order pay -per -views anymore?

02:30:05.180 --> 02:30:06.979
And there's just something about that. Now, I'm

02:30:06.979 --> 02:30:09.819
not saying whether this is Paramount's mistake

02:30:09.819 --> 02:30:11.420
or the UFC's mistake or whatever, but just like

02:30:11.420 --> 02:30:14.799
the basics of business to me go, so you just

02:30:14.799 --> 02:30:18.670
had a loyal customer who's very happy. to pay

02:30:18.670 --> 02:30:21.489
for every pay -per -view. And I'm just not now.

02:30:22.329 --> 02:30:24.690
Now, I understand it's because Paramount gave

02:30:24.690 --> 02:30:26.770
them a whole bunch of money, but on some level

02:30:26.770 --> 02:30:30.069
I go, number one, I go, but how is this good

02:30:30.069 --> 02:30:32.329
for business if the customer no longer has to

02:30:32.329 --> 02:30:34.850
pay for a thing that I was happily paying for?

02:30:34.870 --> 02:30:37.129
Let me correct you. Okay, sure. First of all,

02:30:37.170 --> 02:30:42.510
Paramount, the idea of doing this and investing

02:30:42.510 --> 02:30:45.329
$7 billion into the UFC over the next few years,

02:30:46.600 --> 02:30:49.159
The positive that they're going to get from that

02:30:49.159 --> 02:30:54.020
with loyal new customers is massive. So it's

02:30:54.020 --> 02:30:56.120
introducing it to a whole new audience. If you're

02:30:56.120 --> 02:31:00.079
a loyal pay -per -view buyer, if you spend, what

02:31:00.079 --> 02:31:01.959
is it, $70 for a pay -per -view? I think something

02:31:01.959 --> 02:31:04.639
like that. So $70 for this big -time pay -per

02:31:04.639 --> 02:31:07.879
-view card. Now you get it for free. You just

02:31:07.879 --> 02:31:09.799
have to pay for Paramount Plus every month for

02:31:09.799 --> 02:31:12.680
the year. You're saving so much money. So the

02:31:12.680 --> 02:31:15.479
amount of new people that are going to go, oh,

02:31:15.500 --> 02:31:17.280
this is awesome. awesome. I don't have to pay

02:31:17.280 --> 02:31:19.559
for pay -per -view anymore. I pay for Paramount

02:31:19.559 --> 02:31:22.219
Plus and I get all these awesome shows too because

02:31:22.219 --> 02:31:24.739
Paramount Plus has a ton of great fucking shows.

02:31:24.899 --> 02:31:26.020
No question, it's a great deal for the consumer.

02:31:26.239 --> 02:31:29.200
You get roped in through that and then you go

02:31:29.200 --> 02:31:31.299
looking around on Paramount Plus and you stay

02:31:31.299 --> 02:31:34.700
a loyal subscriber. They have all these years

02:31:34.700 --> 02:31:37.100
with this new influx of viewers from the UFC

02:31:37.100 --> 02:31:40.260
deal to build up more of a library, more shows.

02:31:40.579 --> 02:31:42.860
It's huge for business. Okay, fair enough. They

02:31:42.860 --> 02:31:45.430
can take their app from where it is now. and

02:31:45.430 --> 02:31:47.049
take their streaming model from where it is now

02:31:47.049 --> 02:31:49.850
and quadruple it over the next X amount of years.

02:31:49.969 --> 02:31:52.930
So for them, they're bringing in the whole UFC

02:31:52.930 --> 02:31:55.030
audience. And how many people would look at a

02:31:55.030 --> 02:31:57.690
pay -per -view card and look, I would buy every

02:31:57.690 --> 02:32:00.389
one of them. Even when I was working for the

02:32:00.389 --> 02:32:03.530
UFC, I would go on ESPN Plus and I would buy

02:32:03.530 --> 02:32:05.489
them, even though I was there. I was like, I

02:32:05.489 --> 02:32:06.909
want to be able to watch it in the gym when I

02:32:06.909 --> 02:32:09.409
get home. I'm going to buy it. And so you've

02:32:09.409 --> 02:32:13.530
got... All these people that were looking at

02:32:13.530 --> 02:32:15.909
those cards that were like, this one, I don't

02:32:15.909 --> 02:32:19.149
know. I don't know if that's worth $70. If you're

02:32:19.149 --> 02:32:21.250
on a budget and you're looking at this one, you're

02:32:21.250 --> 02:32:24.389
like, who's fighting? Nah, I'm going to pass

02:32:24.389 --> 02:32:27.250
on this one. I'll watch it a couple weeks on

02:32:27.250 --> 02:32:29.670
ESPN+. Because you could just wait a few weeks.

02:32:29.790 --> 02:32:31.610
I don't know how long the time frame is. But

02:32:31.610 --> 02:32:32.790
you could wait a few weeks and you could watch

02:32:32.790 --> 02:32:35.389
it. You don't have to do that anymore. It's $10

02:32:35.389 --> 02:32:37.209
a month. What is Paramount Plus a month? How

02:32:37.209 --> 02:32:39.969
much does it cost? Maybe 12 or 13, but I'm not

02:32:39.969 --> 02:32:42.649
sure. Let's find out so we're accurate. But you're

02:32:42.649 --> 02:32:46.510
saving so much money. But also on ESPN, they

02:32:46.510 --> 02:32:48.870
charge you something like that too. Like you

02:32:48.870 --> 02:32:51.670
had to pay an ESPN fee and then you had to pay

02:32:51.670 --> 02:32:54.149
for each individual pay -per -view. So no, listen,

02:32:54.270 --> 02:32:56.209
I'm saving a lot of money on this. Okay, $13

02:32:56.209 --> 02:33:01.030
.99 a month or $139 a year. for the ad -free

02:33:01.030 --> 02:33:03.930
premium plan, which includes Showtime. New and

02:33:03.930 --> 02:33:06.090
former subscribers can currently get any monthly

02:33:06.090 --> 02:33:08.829
plan for $2 .99 a month for the first two months.

02:33:08.989 --> 02:33:11.670
It's not bad. So for a new subscriber, you could

02:33:11.670 --> 02:33:14.250
try it out for two months for $2 .99 a month

02:33:14.250 --> 02:33:17.430
and watch every UFC for $2 .99 a month for two

02:33:17.430 --> 02:33:19.129
months. It's fucking worth it. No, that's no

02:33:19.129 --> 02:33:21.190
question. And then you're going to get this huge

02:33:21.190 --> 02:33:24.079
influx of people that... You know, if you're

02:33:24.079 --> 02:33:25.620
on a budget, you're not going to subscribe to

02:33:25.620 --> 02:33:27.840
Paramount+. You already got Netflix. Netflix

02:33:27.840 --> 02:33:30.819
costs X amount of money. Maybe you got HBO Max.

02:33:31.079 --> 02:33:33.879
That's X amount of money. I can't afford Paramount,

02:33:33.879 --> 02:33:35.420
too. I don't want to pay another $10 a month

02:33:35.420 --> 02:33:40.700
or $14 a month. Now, it's easy. No pay -per -views.

02:33:41.000 --> 02:33:44.200
Yeah. They made a lot of wives of hardcore fans

02:33:44.200 --> 02:33:46.950
happy. I'm sure for that. I don't have to buy

02:33:46.950 --> 02:33:49.049
these pay -per -views anymore. Yeah, they get

02:33:49.049 --> 02:33:51.010
the Paramount shows and they don't have to do

02:33:51.010 --> 02:33:53.030
that. All right, fair enough. I guess it's just

02:33:53.030 --> 02:33:55.590
in some ways, I guess, and I don't really have

02:33:55.590 --> 02:33:57.870
much of a mind for business, but in some ways

02:33:57.870 --> 02:33:59.629
there's just a thing where it's like we've always

02:33:59.629 --> 02:34:02.360
done it this way. Now we're doing it a whole

02:34:02.360 --> 02:34:04.280
new way. Yeah, but it's been on streaming for

02:34:04.280 --> 02:34:06.120
the last few years. Yeah, that's true. So it's

02:34:06.120 --> 02:34:08.600
always been on an app anyway. And then Paramount,

02:34:08.719 --> 02:34:11.239
you could get it on Apple TV. You can get it

02:34:11.239 --> 02:34:13.459
on Android TV. You can get it on all these different

02:34:13.459 --> 02:34:15.379
things. It's like there's no reason to not have

02:34:15.379 --> 02:34:18.840
it. It's easy. It's just great for as a business

02:34:18.840 --> 02:34:21.540
move for Paramount. It was a smart fucking move

02:34:21.540 --> 02:34:24.659
because you get this built -in hardcore fan base.

02:34:24.760 --> 02:34:27.459
Now, have some of the cards been lackluster?

02:34:27.620 --> 02:34:30.659
Yes. But guess what? That has always been the

02:34:30.659 --> 02:34:32.209
case. Yeah, and that's just a matter of time.

02:34:32.290 --> 02:34:35.670
Go back and watch Rose Namajunas versus Carla

02:34:35.670 --> 02:34:38.069
Esparza. There's been some fights back in the

02:34:38.069 --> 02:34:40.409
day that just weren't great. And there's been

02:34:40.409 --> 02:34:43.389
cards that, even though they look good on paper,

02:34:43.549 --> 02:34:46.670
in reality, they weren't so fun. Yeah, but I

02:34:46.670 --> 02:34:49.709
also, I'm with you, because I remember you used

02:34:49.709 --> 02:34:51.450
to say this back in the day all the time, but

02:34:51.450 --> 02:34:54.729
I am like a purist fan in MMA in the sense that

02:34:54.729 --> 02:34:57.750
like... All of that is like, I don't care. You

02:34:57.750 --> 02:34:59.549
feel like, oh, it's boring. You're like, it's

02:34:59.549 --> 02:35:01.389
the most exciting sport in the world on its worst

02:35:01.389 --> 02:35:04.030
day. Even in a fight that's a bad fight. Because

02:35:04.030 --> 02:35:08.090
if you remember the Frank Mir Crow Cop is a good

02:35:08.090 --> 02:35:10.129
example of this, where it was just a boring fight

02:35:10.129 --> 02:35:11.690
the entire fight. And then there's a spectacular

02:35:11.690 --> 02:35:13.909
knockout at the end of it. And even if that doesn't

02:35:13.909 --> 02:35:15.469
end up happening, you're always watching like,

02:35:15.549 --> 02:35:17.709
that could happen at any moment. It always can

02:35:17.709 --> 02:35:20.750
happen. I also am with you. I believe in like,

02:35:20.850 --> 02:35:23.219
I don't believe in stand -ups. I don't think

02:35:23.219 --> 02:35:24.899
anyone should ever be stood up. I don't think

02:35:24.899 --> 02:35:26.819
you should be separated for stalemate or whatever.

02:35:26.979 --> 02:35:28.620
It's like if someone puts you in that position,

02:35:28.780 --> 02:35:30.659
then you've got to figure out how to get up.

02:35:30.780 --> 02:35:32.780
If they're not doing enough on the top, that's

02:35:32.780 --> 02:35:35.739
silly. Sean O'Malley explains why piracy led

02:35:35.739 --> 02:35:38.579
to the UFC's massive Paramount deal. Oh, interesting.

02:35:38.780 --> 02:35:39.959
There's a lot of people that will pay for it

02:35:39.959 --> 02:35:41.559
every week, but there's a lot of people that

02:35:41.559 --> 02:35:43.940
won't. That makes sense. They're streaming it

02:35:43.940 --> 02:35:46.139
illegally. That makes sense. I knew there was

02:35:46.139 --> 02:35:47.780
a lot of that because there were sites that you

02:35:47.780 --> 02:35:50.610
could go to. And people would openly talk about

02:35:50.610 --> 02:35:52.510
it. You can go to it and just watch the pay -per

02:35:52.510 --> 02:35:55.090
-view. It's a good move, dude. It's a good move

02:35:55.090 --> 02:35:57.450
for the business. It's just like they just need

02:35:57.450 --> 02:36:00.350
a few banger cards to make people forget about

02:36:00.350 --> 02:36:03.549
the stale ones. But that will happen. It's inevitable.

02:36:03.909 --> 02:36:06.629
You're going to have stale cards. I'm concerned

02:36:06.629 --> 02:36:09.110
about the White House fight. I'm concerned about

02:36:09.110 --> 02:36:11.149
it not just from a security standpoint. I'm concerned

02:36:11.149 --> 02:36:14.329
about it because it's outside. It's June, and

02:36:14.329 --> 02:36:17.750
it's in Washington, D .C. If it's hot out. And

02:36:17.750 --> 02:36:19.430
it could very well be. Like, what's the average

02:36:19.430 --> 02:36:21.209
temperature? I looked this up the other day.

02:36:21.530 --> 02:36:25.010
Average 67 % humidity in last year, or 2024 is

02:36:25.010 --> 02:36:28.590
100 degrees on June 14th. Okay. Okay. That's

02:36:28.590 --> 02:36:30.149
tough. Okay. And I think it's supposed to be

02:36:30.149 --> 02:36:32.969
at noon also. Yeah, that's an issue. Okay, okay,

02:36:32.969 --> 02:36:35.989
okay. That's a fucking big problem, dude. That's

02:36:35.989 --> 02:36:38.790
a big problem. You are going to radically affect

02:36:38.790 --> 02:36:40.870
their performance if you make people fight in

02:36:40.870 --> 02:36:44.190
100 degree temperature with 67 % humidity outside.

02:36:44.969 --> 02:36:46.690
You're also going to radically affect my ability

02:36:46.690 --> 02:36:50.649
to do commentary, okay? My fucking head doesn't

02:36:50.649 --> 02:36:52.989
have any hair. The top of my head is going to

02:36:52.989 --> 02:36:55.069
be beet red. I'm going to have to put some toxic

02:36:55.069 --> 02:36:57.149
sunscreen on it. You're going to see me with

02:36:57.149 --> 02:36:59.489
that white zinc powder that the surfers use on

02:36:59.489 --> 02:37:02.790
their nose. I'll make, like, fake hair with,

02:37:02.850 --> 02:37:05.750
like, white zinc. My head's going to get cooked.

02:37:05.829 --> 02:37:08.569
That is an issue. 80 % chance of thunderstorms

02:37:08.569 --> 02:37:10.709
with highs in the mid -80s. Okay. Are they building

02:37:10.709 --> 02:37:13.870
a tent? Is this outside -outside, or is it outside

02:37:13.870 --> 02:37:16.000
in a tent? Are they going to have fans blowing

02:37:16.000 --> 02:37:18.079
cold air on us? You know how much DC's going

02:37:18.079 --> 02:37:21.159
to complain? That fucking dude, he's going to

02:37:21.159 --> 02:37:23.079
be right next to me. His shirt's going to be

02:37:23.079 --> 02:37:25.540
soaked. Yeah, that's a bit of an issue. You won't

02:37:25.540 --> 02:37:26.500
be able to tell with mine because I always wear

02:37:26.500 --> 02:37:29.579
black anyway. Everybody with a white shirt or

02:37:29.579 --> 02:37:32.100
a blue shirt, if Anik has a light blue shirt

02:37:32.100 --> 02:37:34.000
on, his pits are going to be fucking filled up

02:37:34.000 --> 02:37:36.200
with sweat. It's going to be ridiculous. That

02:37:36.200 --> 02:37:38.819
also really legitimately changes the actual fight

02:37:38.819 --> 02:37:42.479
itself. Oh, 100%. Isn't that like the rendering

02:37:42.479 --> 02:37:45.139
of it, I think? Okay. So I don't see any AC there,

02:37:45.260 --> 02:37:47.479
bro. How are you going to get AC on those people?

02:37:47.659 --> 02:37:50.100
What is that going to be like? That sounds...

02:37:50.399 --> 02:37:52.920
Fucking insane. To do that in June just because

02:37:52.920 --> 02:37:56.579
that's a fun time to do it? I mean, if I was

02:37:56.579 --> 02:37:59.260
Justin Gaethje or I was Ilya Toporia, if I was

02:37:59.260 --> 02:38:01.159
Justin Gaethje, I mean, first of all, he has

02:38:01.159 --> 02:38:03.159
to take the fight. It's a historic fight. It's

02:38:03.159 --> 02:38:06.200
at the White House. He's a true red -blooded

02:38:06.200 --> 02:38:08.260
American. He wants to win the title at the White

02:38:08.260 --> 02:38:12.079
House. Come on. You have to do it. But he's 37

02:38:12.079 --> 02:38:15.620
years old. He's had a long career, and he's fighting.

02:38:16.420 --> 02:38:19.500
maybe the most lethal guy he's ever faced. The

02:38:19.500 --> 02:38:22.959
one guy out of all the guys he's faced that can

02:38:22.959 --> 02:38:26.399
shut the fucking lights out with one shot every

02:38:26.399 --> 02:38:30.120
time. His last three fights is the craziest resume

02:38:30.120 --> 02:38:33.579
in the history of the sport. Knocks out Alexander

02:38:33.579 --> 02:38:37.239
Volkanovsky, knocks out Max Holloway, knocks

02:38:37.239 --> 02:38:40.500
out Charles Oliveira. Two at featherweight, one

02:38:40.500 --> 02:38:43.879
at lightweight. All of them level. I wouldn't

02:38:43.879 --> 02:38:46.750
even say... Well, I guess it's debatable, but

02:38:46.750 --> 02:38:48.989
certainly you could make an argument the two

02:38:48.989 --> 02:38:52.129
best featherweights of all time. Yes. And one

02:38:52.129 --> 02:38:54.370
of the greatest lightweights of all time. And

02:38:54.370 --> 02:38:56.549
by the way, I know MMA math is never perfect,

02:38:56.610 --> 02:38:59.270
but you look at what Oliveira just did to Max

02:38:59.270 --> 02:39:01.489
Holloway, who I love, one of my favorite fighters

02:39:01.489 --> 02:39:03.530
of all time. Love Max. You look at what Charles

02:39:03.530 --> 02:39:05.709
Oliveira just did to Max Holloway, and then you

02:39:05.709 --> 02:39:08.309
think about the way Ilya Teporia handled him.

02:39:09.079 --> 02:39:11.879
Flatlined him in the first round. And not what

02:39:11.879 --> 02:39:15.639
was, to me, almost as impressive as the knockout

02:39:15.639 --> 02:39:19.819
was handling him on the ground. Yeah. Passed

02:39:19.819 --> 02:39:22.559
his guard. He tried to take him down. Think about

02:39:22.559 --> 02:39:24.420
the way he got one of those body locks and tried

02:39:24.420 --> 02:39:26.159
to take him down. Think about how helpless Max

02:39:26.159 --> 02:39:28.440
Holloway was for that. How helpless a whole bunch

02:39:28.440 --> 02:39:29.979
of guys we've seen are when he gets his hands

02:39:29.979 --> 02:39:32.399
around you. And Ilya Teporia, he tried to do

02:39:32.399 --> 02:39:34.200
that. He ends up on top and passes his guard

02:39:34.200 --> 02:39:37.620
right away. Also, he ate a really clean elbow.

02:39:38.120 --> 02:39:40.920
Early in that fight and just was like nothing

02:39:40.920 --> 02:39:43.479
like I shook it off like it was nothing. He's

02:39:43.479 --> 02:39:46.559
he's a special talent so but then again when

02:39:46.559 --> 02:39:49.540
you are dealing with special talents and Great

02:39:49.540 --> 02:39:52.659
great fighters like Justin who this is probably

02:39:52.659 --> 02:39:55.680
his last opportunity to fight for the title I

02:39:55.680 --> 02:39:57.739
want that under the perfect conditions. I want

02:39:57.739 --> 02:40:00.000
that to be in an arena where it's 72 degrees

02:40:00.000 --> 02:40:02.819
and air conditioned. I don't want it to be outside.

02:40:03.159 --> 02:40:05.620
I don't want there to be any additional stress

02:40:05.620 --> 02:40:08.260
or distractions because you're warming up at

02:40:08.260 --> 02:40:10.219
the White House. Like, what do you have, tents

02:40:10.219 --> 02:40:12.440
with mats on them? And these guys are going to

02:40:12.440 --> 02:40:14.899
be slipping around in puddles of sweat. Shadowboxing

02:40:14.899 --> 02:40:17.079
in the situation room before you come out. Who's

02:40:17.079 --> 02:40:19.719
going to slip on sweat and blow their ACL out?

02:40:19.860 --> 02:40:22.180
You know, I mean. If you've ever done striking

02:40:22.180 --> 02:40:24.780
on mats when a bunch of dudes have been training

02:40:24.780 --> 02:40:28.760
in a class, it's so fucking slippery, man. If

02:40:28.760 --> 02:40:33.500
it's that hot, unless they have these mats where

02:40:33.500 --> 02:40:35.559
they're getting set up in air -conditioned buildings

02:40:35.559 --> 02:40:38.340
somewhere, unless they have a facility. Yeah,

02:40:38.379 --> 02:40:39.860
maybe they can do that. I hope they think that

02:40:39.860 --> 02:40:42.200
through. I hope they think that through. I hope

02:40:42.200 --> 02:40:46.579
they prepare it. It's just... I like the idea

02:40:46.579 --> 02:40:50.379
that it's like this big celebration of the UFC,

02:40:50.540 --> 02:40:52.920
that the president loves the UFC so much he wants

02:40:52.920 --> 02:40:54.819
to do it at the White House. But in practice,

02:40:55.020 --> 02:40:57.440
I don't like it at all because you've got two

02:40:57.440 --> 02:41:01.059
world titles. You've got the interim heavyweight

02:41:01.059 --> 02:41:03.620
world title, and then you've got this world title

02:41:03.620 --> 02:41:08.040
with Justin and Ilya at 55. I don't like it.

02:41:08.100 --> 02:41:10.979
I want those to be at the T -Mobile. I want those

02:41:10.979 --> 02:41:13.260
to be at the Madison Square Garden Arena. I want

02:41:13.260 --> 02:41:16.459
those to be somewhere dope. The TD Garden in

02:41:16.459 --> 02:41:19.319
Boston. Put it in a fucking real arena where

02:41:19.319 --> 02:41:22.319
it's air conditioned, damn it. These are amazing

02:41:22.319 --> 02:41:24.620
fights. I don't want anybody fighting when it's

02:41:24.620 --> 02:41:28.479
100 degrees outside. That's crazy. correct me

02:41:28.479 --> 02:41:30.739
if I'm wrong, but also I would think it's, you're

02:41:30.739 --> 02:41:33.139
going to get sweaty so quick in weather like

02:41:33.139 --> 02:41:35.780
that. And that is a big deal for like grappling

02:41:35.780 --> 02:41:37.920
and stuff like that. I mean, that's a huge advantage

02:41:37.920 --> 02:41:40.780
if you're trying to not get grappled by someone.

02:41:40.819 --> 02:41:43.659
Here's another factor. These are people that

02:41:43.659 --> 02:41:46.659
just were radically dehydrated 24 hours ago.

02:41:46.819 --> 02:41:49.360
And then you're asking them to compete in a sauna.

02:41:50.200 --> 02:41:52.559
You're basically asking them to fight in a sauna.

02:41:52.860 --> 02:41:55.819
That is still so crazy to me that there's not

02:41:55.819 --> 02:41:59.700
a way. that we can just get two guys who weigh

02:41:59.700 --> 02:42:02.959
180 pounds to fight at 180 pounds. And instead,

02:42:03.280 --> 02:42:06.440
we have to have two guys who weigh 180 pounds

02:42:06.440 --> 02:42:10.680
cut down to 150 pounds and then rehydrate up

02:42:10.680 --> 02:42:13.680
to 180 pounds to fight at 180 pounds. And weaken

02:42:13.680 --> 02:42:15.940
themselves, like radically weaken themselves.

02:42:16.200 --> 02:42:18.719
I see those guys, the day they weigh in, the

02:42:18.719 --> 02:42:21.520
worst ever that I ever saw was Travis Luter.

02:42:22.809 --> 02:42:24.889
Oh, yeah, against Anderson Silva? I remember.

02:42:24.969 --> 02:42:27.489
He missed weight, but I was backstage for all

02:42:27.489 --> 02:42:29.409
of it, right? So this was back when the weigh

02:42:29.409 --> 02:42:31.610
-ins were the time of the actual weigh -ins.

02:42:31.610 --> 02:42:33.610
It wasn't the ceremonial weigh -in. Like now

02:42:33.610 --> 02:42:35.149
they give them more time. You can weigh in in

02:42:35.149 --> 02:42:37.170
the morning, and then by the ceremonial weigh

02:42:37.170 --> 02:42:39.209
-in, which is usually 5 p .m., usually these

02:42:39.209 --> 02:42:41.809
guys have significantly rehydrated. They do it

02:42:41.809 --> 02:42:45.209
slowly, but they have a process to it. But Travis

02:42:45.209 --> 02:42:47.850
missed weight. And so I was backstage while they

02:42:47.850 --> 02:42:50.409
gave him X amount of time to make the weight.

02:42:50.549 --> 02:42:53.510
And, dude, he couldn't walk. He was shuffling,

02:42:53.610 --> 02:42:56.549
shuffling. Like, he couldn't pick his legs up.

02:42:56.610 --> 02:42:59.389
His lips were cracked. His face was dry. He looked

02:42:59.389 --> 02:43:01.569
like he was going to die. He looked like a guy

02:43:01.569 --> 02:43:04.309
who had been shipwrecked, you know, and, like,

02:43:04.309 --> 02:43:06.870
lost at sea and just drinking his own piss for

02:43:06.870 --> 02:43:08.829
a week. And they finally rescued him. That's

02:43:08.829 --> 02:43:11.459
what it looked like. Right. He was dying, I guess.

02:43:11.459 --> 02:43:12.920
Right. I mean, that is what you're looking at.

02:43:12.940 --> 02:43:15.200
And then 24 hours later, he has to fight the

02:43:15.200 --> 02:43:17.000
greatest middleweight of all time. He has to

02:43:17.000 --> 02:43:19.680
fight Anderson motherfucking Silva in his prime.

02:43:20.120 --> 02:43:24.629
And I did. for that being the story, did remarkably

02:43:24.629 --> 02:43:29.030
well in the fight. He got viciously elbowed in

02:43:29.030 --> 02:43:31.790
the triangle. That would not have happened if

02:43:31.790 --> 02:43:33.930
Travis wasn't compromised. Travis was a real

02:43:33.930 --> 02:43:36.190
problem back then. He was one of the best jiu

02:43:36.190 --> 02:43:38.309
-jitsu guys to ever compete in MMA. And he was

02:43:38.309 --> 02:43:41.209
stylistically kind of like the best shot against

02:43:41.209 --> 02:43:44.190
Anderson Silva at that time. Because Anderson

02:43:44.190 --> 02:43:46.049
Silva just looked untouchable. And he got him

02:43:46.049 --> 02:43:48.069
down. He got him into good positions a few times.

02:43:48.190 --> 02:43:50.170
Even though he was fucked from the weight cut.

02:43:50.329 --> 02:43:52.739
But the thing was, never made the weight. So

02:43:52.739 --> 02:43:54.780
even if he beat him, he wouldn't have got the

02:43:54.780 --> 02:43:56.959
title. The whole thing was fucked. Yeah. But

02:43:56.959 --> 02:43:59.459
it's like I've advocated for there's a solution.

02:43:59.620 --> 02:44:02.159
One of them is multiple weight classes. that

02:44:02.159 --> 02:44:05.020
are additional to what we have. Have one at least

02:44:05.020 --> 02:44:07.219
every 10 pounds, and it probably should be more.

02:44:07.340 --> 02:44:08.940
And a lot of people push back against that, but

02:44:08.940 --> 02:44:13.040
listen, 10 pounds for an elite athlete is a big

02:44:13.040 --> 02:44:16.159
fucking deal. 20 pounds is crazy. So when you

02:44:16.159 --> 02:44:20.239
go like 85 to 205, that's crazy. That's too much

02:44:20.239 --> 02:44:22.520
weight. It's too much of a gap. You could have...

02:44:22.670 --> 02:44:25.290
Multiple champions in between those weight classes.

02:44:25.450 --> 02:44:27.950
And it's just better for the sport overall. You've

02:44:27.950 --> 02:44:29.649
got more champions. You've got more champion

02:44:29.649 --> 02:44:31.549
versus champion matchups you can make. Well,

02:44:31.569 --> 02:44:33.930
there's it also. First of all, it's very unhealthy

02:44:33.930 --> 02:44:36.569
and dangerous. And that's the biggest issue.

02:44:36.670 --> 02:44:39.370
But then it also makes it a thing where it's

02:44:39.370 --> 02:44:42.879
like. Now there's two factors. It's not just

02:44:42.879 --> 02:44:45.959
who's the best fighter. It's also who's the best

02:44:45.959 --> 02:44:48.579
at dehydrating themselves, losing a ton of weight,

02:44:48.659 --> 02:44:51.020
and rehydrating themselves. And also I think,

02:44:51.159 --> 02:44:55.180
like I've heard GSP say before, that some people

02:44:55.180 --> 02:44:56.940
are just naturally better at that. Some people

02:44:56.940 --> 02:44:58.639
just fluctuate in weight more. Some people can

02:44:58.639 --> 02:45:00.620
lose a lot of weight and then gain it all back

02:45:00.620 --> 02:45:02.200
the other day. And he used to always say, I just

02:45:02.200 --> 02:45:04.200
can't do that. Like I'm not a guy who can do

02:45:04.200 --> 02:45:06.270
that. I think all of us, we just want to see

02:45:06.270 --> 02:45:08.010
who the best fighter is. Exactly. We don't care

02:45:08.010 --> 02:45:09.809
about who's the best at dehydrating. Anything

02:45:09.809 --> 02:45:13.129
that hampers your ability should be removed from

02:45:13.129 --> 02:45:15.010
the equation, especially if it's something like

02:45:15.010 --> 02:45:17.709
this. But there's a solution. First of all, there's

02:45:17.709 --> 02:45:20.829
a real silliness to the MMA weight classes. And

02:45:20.829 --> 02:45:24.610
when I say silliness, our names that we use have

02:45:24.610 --> 02:45:28.069
been owned by boxing for more than 100 years.

02:45:28.229 --> 02:45:30.790
And the names that we use are for different weight

02:45:30.790 --> 02:45:34.209
classes than boxing uses. That's... dumb yeah

02:45:34.209 --> 02:45:36.649
that is dumb as shit like if you want to have

02:45:36.649 --> 02:45:40.030
a 170 pound champion fantastic but don't call

02:45:40.030 --> 02:45:43.430
it a welterweight because welterweight is 147

02:45:43.430 --> 02:45:46.370
right it's been 147 for over 100 fucking years

02:45:46.370 --> 02:45:49.790
the fact that you have a 147 champion and you

02:45:49.790 --> 02:45:52.049
call that or 145 champion you call that a featherweight

02:45:53.010 --> 02:45:55.510
Featherweight is 126. That's what it's been in

02:45:55.510 --> 02:45:59.270
boxing forever. Lightweight has always been 135.

02:45:59.709 --> 02:46:02.270
That's what Julio Cesar Chavez was the champ

02:46:02.270 --> 02:46:06.989
of. 135. Lightweight is 155 in the UFC? Come

02:46:06.989 --> 02:46:10.409
up with your own names. Why do we still have

02:46:10.409 --> 02:46:11.569
these stupid names? I never thought about that.

02:46:11.629 --> 02:46:13.510
It's a good point. They attached these names

02:46:13.510 --> 02:46:15.530
to it when they first started developing weight

02:46:15.530 --> 02:46:17.489
classes because it used to just be one weight

02:46:17.489 --> 02:46:20.370
class. Another one on this. Why? And I think

02:46:20.370 --> 02:46:22.540
you've mentioned this before. Why am I not getting

02:46:22.540 --> 02:46:25.440
the leg reach? They do that sometimes. Do they?

02:46:25.579 --> 02:46:26.840
Yeah, they do that. Because I've seen, like,

02:46:26.920 --> 02:46:29.239
but on the regular tail of the tape, it'll still

02:46:29.239 --> 02:46:32.639
just be reach. Yeah. But in this, because that

02:46:32.639 --> 02:46:36.180
actually, for MMA, that's such a huge deal. Sure.

02:46:36.360 --> 02:46:38.100
Like, it's such a huge, because, oh, like. Because

02:46:38.100 --> 02:46:40.379
you're kicking. Yeah, if you're in kicking range

02:46:40.379 --> 02:46:42.440
of me, but you know what I mean? But you can't

02:46:42.440 --> 02:46:44.790
touch me. Your jab doesn't. matter as much as

02:46:44.790 --> 02:46:47.510
in boxing, you know? And some guys, they have

02:46:47.510 --> 02:46:50.790
really long legs for their torso. My friend Larry,

02:46:50.969 --> 02:46:53.110
my friend Larry Jones from my Taekwondo days,

02:46:53.290 --> 02:46:56.889
he had this short torso. What is this? Aldo's

02:46:56.889 --> 02:46:59.969
leg reaches longer than Stipe's. Whoa, that's

02:46:59.969 --> 02:47:02.229
crazy. Is that right? That's crazy. Stipe just

02:47:02.229 --> 02:47:06.930
has a way longer torso? That's nuts. Oh, wow.

02:47:07.329 --> 02:47:10.309
That's crazy. Well, Aldo was such a good kicker.

02:47:10.329 --> 02:47:13.040
It's probably part of the reason why. My friend

02:47:13.040 --> 02:47:15.440
Larry had this short torso, like really short,

02:47:15.459 --> 02:47:18.180
but he was like 6 '3", and he was all legs, and

02:47:18.180 --> 02:47:20.379
he was this insane kicker. He was like a freak,

02:47:20.459 --> 02:47:22.680
like he was made in a lab. And when guys would

02:47:22.680 --> 02:47:24.180
fight him, like you'd see guys in tournaments

02:47:24.180 --> 02:47:25.899
fight him, they'd be like, what the fuck am I

02:47:25.899 --> 02:47:27.959
going to do with this? Because his reach was

02:47:27.959 --> 02:47:31.059
so nuts, and he was so fast with his kicks, and

02:47:31.059 --> 02:47:33.159
you couldn't get anywhere close to him if you

02:47:33.159 --> 02:47:34.879
were in his weight class and you were normally

02:47:34.879 --> 02:47:38.219
built. Right. His torso was shorter than mine,

02:47:38.319 --> 02:47:42.760
but his crazy long legs and long arms. Some people

02:47:42.760 --> 02:47:44.680
are just built certain ways, and for striking,

02:47:44.819 --> 02:47:47.280
it's a giant problem. There's another thing that

02:47:47.280 --> 02:47:50.040
makes Ilya Teporya so fucking unbelievably impressive.

02:47:50.319 --> 02:47:54.780
He's not tall at all. Yeah. And he's just flatlining

02:47:54.780 --> 02:47:57.079
people. Oh, I mean, Charles Oliveira looked so

02:47:57.079 --> 02:47:59.420
much bigger than him in that fight. And so much

02:47:59.420 --> 02:48:02.959
bigger than Max, too. Oliveira's big. It's like,

02:48:03.059 --> 02:48:06.709
look, the sport's fine. It's not in trouble.

02:48:06.950 --> 02:48:08.649
Sports is not in trouble. The heavyweight division

02:48:08.649 --> 02:48:10.569
is in trouble. The heavyweight division is kind

02:48:10.569 --> 02:48:12.770
of fucked. It's in a weird situation. The Alex

02:48:12.770 --> 02:48:16.110
Pereira thing is very interesting. Alex Pereira

02:48:16.110 --> 02:48:18.809
versus Cyril Ghosn is very, very, very interesting

02:48:18.809 --> 02:48:21.709
because Cyril Ghosn is a problem. That guy is

02:48:21.709 --> 02:48:24.629
a problem. He's super athletic. He's really fast.

02:48:24.950 --> 02:48:27.389
He's super skillful with his striking. His Muay

02:48:27.389 --> 02:48:30.729
Thai is absolutely elite. And he does a lot of

02:48:30.729 --> 02:48:32.530
things different than what a lot of people do.

02:48:33.069 --> 02:48:35.670
And has anyone, because even Francis, like I

02:48:35.670 --> 02:48:38.010
was saying before, grappled with him a lot in

02:48:38.010 --> 02:48:40.389
that fight. Obviously, Jon Jones took him down

02:48:40.389 --> 02:48:43.069
and choked him. But has anyone really stood toe

02:48:43.069 --> 02:48:46.000
to toe and beat him up? No. No, no one's beat

02:48:46.000 --> 02:48:48.899
him up toe -to -toe. Taito Iwasa went toe -to

02:48:48.899 --> 02:48:51.079
-toe with him and tried to, but he got lit up.

02:48:51.399 --> 02:48:53.979
Dude, Cyril gone is a problem. And even in the

02:48:53.979 --> 02:48:56.719
little bit with Tom Aspinall, it looked like

02:48:56.719 --> 02:48:59.219
he's tough. He's tough to fight like that, man.

02:48:59.280 --> 02:49:01.799
Not just tough. He was, like, getting off on

02:49:01.799 --> 02:49:03.979
Aspinall, and it didn't look good for Aspinall.

02:49:04.120 --> 02:49:05.860
I mean, it's very unfortunate that he got his

02:49:05.860 --> 02:49:09.079
eyes poked. I mean, we really never got to see

02:49:09.079 --> 02:49:12.040
what happens if you drag Cyril deep water. The

02:49:12.040 --> 02:49:13.959
way Tom had adjusted for the second round or

02:49:13.959 --> 02:49:15.350
third round. Which we've never really seen out

02:49:15.350 --> 02:49:17.469
of Tom either. It was very interesting that we

02:49:17.469 --> 02:49:19.790
got robbed of that. Yeah, we got robbed of that.

02:49:19.850 --> 02:49:21.989
And poor Tom, he's had two fucking eye surgeries.

02:49:22.110 --> 02:49:24.290
And then he felt like the UFC disrespected him.

02:49:24.350 --> 02:49:25.850
The whole thing's a mess. Well, I don't know

02:49:25.850 --> 02:49:28.069
about the UFC, but a lot of fans did disrespect

02:49:28.069 --> 02:49:30.409
him. I saw that. Which is crazy. It is. This

02:49:30.409 --> 02:49:32.770
is really stupid. We talked about this last night.

02:49:32.850 --> 02:49:35.309
It should be one point, period, if you poke someone

02:49:35.309 --> 02:49:36.690
in the eyes. If you poke someone in the eyes,

02:49:36.809 --> 02:49:39.190
one point. Well, especially if the fingers go

02:49:39.190 --> 02:49:41.850
in the eyes. If it's like a glancing thing like

02:49:41.850 --> 02:49:45.479
that, maybe get a warning. And a nut shot. Straight

02:49:45.479 --> 02:49:49.319
nut shot, one point. The glancing thing may be

02:49:49.319 --> 02:49:51.819
a warning. I think that could be up to the judge's

02:49:51.819 --> 02:49:54.840
discretion upon view of the replay. Yeah, well,

02:49:54.920 --> 02:49:57.059
the thing is that, and we were talking about

02:49:57.059 --> 02:50:02.079
this last night, if you land a nut shot and it's

02:50:02.079 --> 02:50:04.719
accidental, as it almost always is, you know

02:50:04.719 --> 02:50:05.559
what I mean? You're trying to throw an inside

02:50:05.559 --> 02:50:08.120
leg kick. Unless you're Derek Lewis. Well, okay.

02:50:08.219 --> 02:50:11.459
Maybe not. I said almost. Almost always. But

02:50:11.459 --> 02:50:14.420
so I just see this all the time in MMA. It's

02:50:14.420 --> 02:50:17.200
the first one. It was an accident. This guy gets

02:50:17.200 --> 02:50:19.139
kicked in the nuts. He needs a few minutes Usually

02:50:19.139 --> 02:50:21.639
they don't take the full five or whatever they're

02:50:21.639 --> 02:50:24.600
offered and then you just go back It's like look

02:50:24.600 --> 02:50:27.340
even if it was an accident. That's such an advantage

02:50:27.340 --> 02:50:31.120
to the guy who who kicked him in the groin. Yeah,

02:50:31.139 --> 02:50:33.459
you hurt him. You hurt this guy and now he's

02:50:33.459 --> 02:50:35.280
got to get back to it and there's no, so like

02:50:35.280 --> 02:50:37.799
it does seem like there almost has to be some

02:50:37.799 --> 02:50:40.959
accounting for that and there's, I think there's

02:50:40.959 --> 02:50:42.659
still, it's still a very young sport. I think

02:50:42.659 --> 02:50:45.139
there is still too much referee discretion. I

02:50:45.139 --> 02:50:47.000
think you're right. There should be like an official

02:50:47.000 --> 02:50:49.260
rule for what we do in this situation. Especially

02:50:49.260 --> 02:50:51.700
those kind of fouls. It's like, it doesn't exist

02:50:51.700 --> 02:50:53.979
in basketball, right? Yeah. If somebody fouls

02:50:53.979 --> 02:50:55.959
somebody in basketball and everybody sees it.

02:50:56.510 --> 02:50:59.329
That's a foul. Yes. Right? And the crowd will

02:50:59.329 --> 02:51:01.549
go nuts. Usually. Usually. But it'd be like a

02:51:01.549 --> 02:51:03.409
real one, like throwing someone to the ground.

02:51:03.729 --> 02:51:06.270
I could show you examples. There are some fucking

02:51:06.270 --> 02:51:07.909
wild things that don't get called for whatever

02:51:07.909 --> 02:51:09.590
reason. Don't you think that's a little bit of

02:51:09.590 --> 02:51:12.709
the corrupt referees? I'm not saying all of them,

02:51:12.750 --> 02:51:15.450
but that is one thing that's been 100 % proven,

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is that referees do get paid off in order to

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influence gambling lines. Yeah, there was that

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one referee who confirmed that it was the...

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the Sacramento Kings versus the Lakers, which

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was like a series that was like notoriously,

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like everyone was like, yo, it was crazy. They

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didn't call any of these fouls on the Lakers

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and they called all these fouls. And then a ref

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came out and was like, oh yeah, that's weird.

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And it does kind of make sense because it was

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the Shaq and Kobe Lakers. You got to get them

02:51:45.399 --> 02:51:47.719
in the finals, dude. It was big money. God, it

02:51:47.719 --> 02:51:49.979
was so gross. His defense weirdly was like, no

02:51:49.979 --> 02:51:52.840
one told us what to do. but you kind of know

02:51:52.840 --> 02:51:55.079
what they want, so you sort of do it, and then

02:51:55.079 --> 02:51:57.379
you keep putting on good games and you keep getting

02:51:57.379 --> 02:52:01.079
the good stuff. Hang them. Public hanging. Fuck

02:52:01.079 --> 02:52:04.280
you. We can deal with Congress's insider trading,

02:52:04.420 --> 02:52:07.239
but basketball must be a fair... Bad judges hanging.

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Hang them. Hang them all in front of the kingdom.

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All right, dude. Anything else before we wrap

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this up? No, thank you for letting a non -expert

02:52:16.680 --> 02:52:19.260
talk MMA with you so much. I love talking to

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non -experts. Dude, thank you so much for everything,

02:52:23.079 --> 02:52:24.180
as always, dude. My pleasure, brother. Thank

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you. You're the fucking man. I love you, dude.

02:52:24.920 --> 02:52:26.340
You're the fucking man, too. I love you, too.

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We'll have fun tonight, right? Are you coming?

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Are you leaving? I've got to go right to the

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airport. Damn, last night was fun. That was a

02:52:32.479 --> 02:52:34.559
lot of fun. It was a lot of fun. All right. Bye,

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everybody.