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Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan

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Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by

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night, all day. Okay, so when we scheduled this,

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there was nothing happening. The world was so

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peaceful. Every time we're here, something crazy

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is going on, man. Yeah, maybe we manifest it.

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To be honest, 2026 did start with a bang. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Well, a lot of things, you know,

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it's just nothing seems stable everywhere. Everywhere

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in the world seems fucked right now. In all of

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my years, this seems the most unstable globally.

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Like I never worried that the UK was going to

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be like complete chaos, arresting 12 ,000 people

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for social media posts and abandoning trial by

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jury, all that shit. I never thought the Ukraine

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-Russia war would go on this long. Never thought.

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Never thought they would just continue bombing

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Gaza and then what's happening now? They just

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sort of stop? And now they're talking about putting

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a resort there? What? You hear that and you go,

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are you fucking serious? Right. Tim Dillon has

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a – I won't give the bit away. He has a fucking

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phenomenal bit about staying in that resort.

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Yeah, and you boys have been busy as well, Joe.

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Yeah, and I was going to get to that, the embarrassing

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part. In the middle of Ramadan, you take out

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the leader of a Muslim country and – They're

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hangry already and you're fucking with it. They're

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really, yeah, they can't even drink water. And

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then, you know, I was listening to Tim Dillon's

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podcast today. He's got a great podcast with

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Ryan Grimm and one other gentleman. But one of

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the things that they brought up was that some

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of these drone attacks, it doesn't even seem

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like they're from Iran. Some of these drone attacks

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on Gulf states, like that one of them. I don't

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want to speak out of turn because I'm not exactly

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sure which ones they're talking about. They're

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talking about one of them on either it's an oil

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refinery. I think it is an oil refinery. It doesn't

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seem like it came from Iran. Where did it come

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from? That's a good question. One of their proxies?

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That's a good question. The fear is a false flag.

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That's the fear. Like if you really wanted to

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get really scared of what we were dragged into.

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you're dragged into an ally that's not telling

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you the truth and is also doing some other stuff.

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Not even saying that that's the case, but a lot

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of people are assuming that that's what it is.

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But that's what happens when you have an absence

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of information. Right. So the moment you have

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an absence of information, there's a vacuum.

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And nature abhors a vacuum. You need to have

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that vacuum filled. So that's where conspiracies

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naturally flourish. 100%. Because if people don't

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have information, then they're going to... basically

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theorize. Right. And part of people theorizing

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is conspiracies are going to start flourishing.

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Well, I think they were basing it on where the

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drone came from. Let's see if we can find some

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information on that, Jamie. I will try. It was

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Jeremy Scahill was the other reporter on the

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video. I just find it amazing now how many people

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have a hard take on what's going on. I'm like,

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we don't know a fucking thing about what's going

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on. The coin is in the air, right? And we do

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not know how it's going to... But everyone's

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got a take. Everyone knows. We do not fucking...

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I don't think anyone knows. I understand if you

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work at the White House or if you work in Russian

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propaganda or you work in Chinese propaganda

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or if you work in Iranian. You've got to get

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your point of view across to try and persuade

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people. But if you're actually trying to work

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out what... It's genuinely happening. I don't

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think anyone knows. This is a gamble of gigantic

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proportions, and nobody knows how it's going

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to end. It's just so unpredictable. And I can

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tell you a great story that is positive for the

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West, let's say, or for America. I can tell you

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a terrible story, and they both sound very convincing,

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and no one knows which one of them is true. Yeah,

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that's a very good point. This is the hot take

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culture, right? Right. Everyone has a take, and

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they want that take to be that expert take. So

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specific drone attack incidents that call potential

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false flags. Saudi Arabia, Saudi Aramco, rather,

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oil facility attack. So Iranian officials deny

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striking the Saudi Aramco processing facility

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and instead suggest Israel may have carried out

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that attack as a false flag to inflame Gulf opinion

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and pull Saudi Arabia more directly into the

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war with Iran. So Ryan Grim explicitly says he

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thinks Iran's claims that Israel hit the Aramco

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facility need to be taken seriously and that

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it's very possible Israel did it. And this was

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the other one, the drone strike on the British

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base in Cyprus. That was from Lebanon, right?

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Yeah. Is that what they're saying? Yeah. It may

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have come from the direction of Lebanon. He places

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this in the same context of Iran claiming Israel

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carried out certain attacks in neighboring states

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as false flags to blame on Iran and drag those

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countries into the war. This doesn't make any

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logical sense to me because those countries are

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already in the war. I mean Saudi Arabia and UAE

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have been attacked by Iran because. they were

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on the phone to Trump basically asking him to

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do this. This is another weird one. The Tucker

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Carlson one. You saw that, right? No. So Tucker

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Carlson said that... Oh, yeah, yeah. They had

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been arrested. The members of Mossad had been

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arrested in Qatar and Saudi Arabia. But both

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Qatar and Saudi Arabia have said it's not true.

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Yeah. They've officially denied such arrests.

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Their own Saudi sources also denied it, though

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they note details don't prove it didn't happen,

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and that states would almost certainly hide such

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arrests if real. Huh. The thing, Joe, is that

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these countries, so Saudi Arabia and UAE, Qatar

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less so, they want this to happen because they

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also hate Iran or the Iranian regime. Right.

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So there is no need for Israel. Even if you,

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you know, if people are tempted to believe there's

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no need for Israel to do this because these countries

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are already in it. Right. And that one of the

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reasons Iran has attacked things in Saudi Arabia

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and in the UAE is they know that. Right. Right.

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So the Gulf countries are on board with this.

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Right. So what would what would be let's assume

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that the false flag. that it's in play. Why?

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Why would Israel, how would they benefit from

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doing that? That's what I'm saying. There is

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no rationale that I can think of. The people

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that think the false flag is real, why do they

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think that? What do they think that Israel would

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benefit from it? Is there a scenario where you

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could imagine it would inflame things and further

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support other countries? contributing to the

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i mean there's a lot of money that's being spent

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on this war right right this is insane amount

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of money just for munitions just for missiles

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yeah yeah and then rebuilding iran if we get

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to that right maybe another resort yeah so but

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i just don't see the rationale because the the

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gulf countries are already targets for iran right

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there's nothing to inflame like the situation

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is already pretty inflamed right and it's partly

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inflamed because as i say actually the gulf states

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and Israel are pretty aligned on this particular

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thing. They're all at threat from the Iranian

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regime. So we had Eamon Dean and Richard Minnitzer

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on our show the other day. One of them is an

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Al -Qaeda MI6 double agent. Another one is a

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really reputable investigative journalist, Richard.

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Al -Qaeda MI6 double agent? Yeah. What balls.

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And he has a great podcast now as well called

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Conflicted. What a great name for a podcast where

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a guy was a double agent. Yeah, yeah. What balls

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that guy must have. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Really

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cool guy. But anyway, I mean, he was explaining

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that Saudi Arabia has a population that is way

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bigger than what they can sustain in terms of

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the water. But they live in the fucking desert.

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So they have these desalination plants, which

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are extremely vulnerable. And Saudi Arabia, UAE,

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these other countries, they felt at huge risk

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from Iranian attacks for a long time. So they

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none of them like the Iranian regime that's spreading

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terrorism through its proxies. So in actual fact,

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dragging them into the war kind of like there's

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no sense for that. I think there's a lot of people

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just. They go to reaction now whenever anything

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happens is that it was Israel's fault. Like Venezuela.

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Fuck all to do with Israel. But when it happened,

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everyone was like, oh, it's Israel. I think some

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people just go to that now as the automatic response,

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which comes back to what I was saying earlier

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about the hot take culture. Something happened

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three minutes ago and now everyone's got a fucking

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take on it. You don't know anything. None of

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us know anything. None of us know how this is

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going to go because this right now is a highly

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unpredictable situation. I don't think the White

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It's terrifying, and it's exactly the opposite

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of what we were told leading into this administration,

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that it's going to be America first and no more

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unnecessary foreign wars. There's the other thing

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that – do you remember Desert Storm? Yeah. Desert

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Storm, quick and easy, baby. Woo, we went in,

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kicked some ass, took some names. That's a wrap.

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Pulled out. There was only one base that got

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hit, so there was the amount of deaths by American

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citizens was – Fairly minimal. I think that's

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what got people so confident into entering Iran

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after 9 -11. Excuse me, Iraq after 9 -11. To

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go back, like we already fucked them up once.

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We're going to go back and this is going to be

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easy. Well, it wasn't easy the second time. It

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was drawn out and it didn't make any sense. But

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people wanted some form of revenge, something

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for 9 -11. And so somehow or another they justified

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a war with a country that had zero to do with

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it. It didn't even make sense. That one took

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– and then we also invaded Afghanistan at the

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same time. What did we do? What the fuck? So

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in the fog of this idea of American exceptionalism,

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we're just going to go in and fix it. We did

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it before. There's no one even close to us. Well,

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look how that turned out. Yeah, well, this is

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completely true. And there's this idea that it's

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so easy to take one regime, remove it, and then

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just put another one in its place, like it's

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a Lego block. And then all of a sudden, you're

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going to magically fix a country. It's a fantasy.

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Like if you take Iran, the IRGC, which is the

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Islamic Revolutionary Guard, numbers around 200

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,000 trained soldiers. And not only are they

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trained soldiers, they're fanatical. They're

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fanatics. And then you have the secret police

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and then you have the regular police. And then

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you have the people employed in the government

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and then their families and so on and so forth.

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And then the supporters within the country. And

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then you've got the various factions within Iran,

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like the Kurds, who want independence. So the

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moment the leadership is weakened, they're going

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to use it as an opportunity to launch their own

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revolution to try and break away from the rest

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of Iran. So you have all of these particular

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parts, these factions, and then you think if

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you take out the top, the guy at the top who's

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holding it all together by force, I'm not saying

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I agree with him or what he does, you have the

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very real risk that the entire country is going

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to disintegrate as what happened in Iran, in

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Iraq, sorry. And also Libya. Yeah. That was a

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big risk. The idea that you could just take the

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guy out and that's a wrap. I mean, it doesn't

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seem like... Well thought out. Well, I mean,

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I guess they would say Venezuela, right? Like

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a regime adjustment. It's a completely different

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kind. Of course. Of course. This is a religious

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fanatical. Right. It's a totally different kind

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of country. Also, it's a country that's been

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under threat for decades. Right. So they've been

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preparing for this kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah.

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And also with Venezuela, it wasn't a regime change.

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Practically everybody who was in the old regime

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is still there. It's a regime adjustment. Exactly.

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Exactly. So Delcy Rodriguez. was one of the senior

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leaders in Maduro's regime. They just took out

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Maduro and his wife. They put Delci Rodriguez

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there. But the whole structure, the whole leadership,

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the whole party is still in place. So what they've

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done is they put Delci at the top and they've

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said to her, look, if you fuck about, you're

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going to get what your boss got. So you're going

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to follow what we say. You're going to do what

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we say. You are going to open up the oil refineries.

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We're going to build it. You're going to start

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pumping oil out. You're going to stop messing

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about with Hezbollah, which they had training

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camps in the island of Margarita, which is a

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little Caribbean island two and a half hours

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away from Miami. Training camps. You can't have

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that. You're not going to be fraternizing with

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the Cubans. And you're going to play ball. And

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essentially, Venezuela is now a colony of the

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United States. That's what it's now become. That's

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wild. Well, there's also the Kurt Metzger angle,

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which is hilarious. Kurt Metzger cornered me

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one night at the mothership, and he explained

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to me that this was all about the 2020 election

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and that Maduro somehow or another had something

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to do with rigging the 2020 election, and he's

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going to say it as a part of his testimony. He's

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like, just wait. Just wait. Mark my words. He's

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convinced of this. He goes down the rabbit hole

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to the lava. He passes, and he's like, this rabbit

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hole's been covered up. It goes deeper, and he

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keeps going until he's at the fucking center

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of the earth. He's a funny guy, though. Oh, he's

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hilarious. He's hilarious. He's mentally ill,

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but he's hilarious. He's one of the funniest

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people I know, like, ever. Fantastic joke writer,

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too. I mean, he's just great all around. But

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Jesus Christ, like, some of his... nutty theories.

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They go so far. Oh, absolutely. I've been in

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bars with Kurt where he starts talking to me

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and I'm like, Kurt, I don't even know what we're

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talking about anymore. Well, he changes conspiracies

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mid -sentence. He starts bringing up some shit

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from the 70s and there's the church committee

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and this and that and MKUltra and don't you know

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about Monarch? Like, what? Slow down. Like, not

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everybody knows what you're talking about. But

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I think... This is, and I love Kurt, but this

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is kind of where you feel that the truth isn't

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enough. So there needs to be something else.

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There needs to be something that goes deeper

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than that. And sometimes there is, don't get

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me wrong. Sometimes it does go deeper. But sometimes

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you're making connections where there are no

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connections. It's pretty simple with Venezuela,

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what was going on. They were fucking about. And

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they were doing it for a long time. And they

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were doing it in America's backyard. And they

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had warning after warning. And Maduro, the way

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I'd push back against Kurt is I'm really sorry,

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Kurt, but Maduro ain't that bright. Well, I don't

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think he has to be that bright to finance and

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make sure and arrange things because they did.

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There was like some. Something connected to the

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voting machines that were there. They made those

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claims. Who was that woman? Sidney Powell, was

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it? Here we go. She's another fun one. Post -2020

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from Trump allies like Sidney Powell and Rudy

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Giuliani claiming Hugo Chavez, Maduro's predecessor,

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developed rigged software to export to U .S.

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firms. These were promoted by figures like Mike

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Lindell. He makes a great pillow. You should

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listen to him. And amplified on social media.

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But courts and fact checks rejected them, including

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Fox News. $787 million Dominion settlement. Yeah,

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I was going to say I was pretty sure that those

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claims were debunked. Yeah, not to Kurt. He's

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like, you guys don't know where the hard drives

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are. They're in the center of the earth. We've

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got to get there. Yeah, that doesn't make much

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sense to me. Neither does this idea that you're

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going to take over a country's oil supply. You

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know, like that, you know, we'll just take it.

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The problem is from the outside. Like the rest

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of the world. You look at this unnecessary aggression

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by the United States government, and then you

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tack on whatever propaganda they have already

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been spitting out about America for the last

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20 or 30 years. And then this war with Iran gets

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really ugly because that's how you start a World

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War III. You start a World War III by doing something

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that, other than people that wanted this forever,

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who else thinks that's a good idea? Who else

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thinks it's a good idea to just attack a country

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that isn't doing anything? They haven't done

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anything. Like if you have proof that they have

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developed depleted uranium and they've got it

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up to a point where it's – they've got it to

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– what percentage does it have to be? Like they're

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at 60, right? But that's way more than you need.

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Way more than you need, right? So it shows that

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they're at least ramping up their production

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where it's possible to get it to whatever it

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needs to make it. That's way more than you need

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for civilian use, right? Right. But that's still

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– it's not – clear that that justifies an invasion

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when North Korea has nuclear weapons. It's like,

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do we just want, are we just trying to prevent

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them from ever getting to a point where they're

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like North Korea? Who the fuck is worried about

00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:41.140
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as you correctly said earlier, is these people

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are very different to the North Koreans, right?

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North Korea wants to be left the fuck alone.

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Iran does not want to be left alone. Iran wants

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to dominate the region. That's why they fund

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Hamas. It's why they fund Hezbollah. It's why

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they fund the Houthis. It's why they are doing

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shit. That's why the Gulf countries and Israel

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are very worried about them, right? So that's

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the difference, I think. And then there's the,

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you know, some of the people we've had on the

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show who are Iranian have talked about the, what

00:20:48.019 --> 00:20:51.940
is it called, 12 Shia Islam? I can't remember

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the details, but basically they have a kind of

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messianic vision of what's going to happen. And

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they believe that when the world ends, that's

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when the prophecy will be fulfilled. You don't

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want those guys with nuclear weapons. Right.

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That's a good point. Yeah. So from that perspective,

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it's different to North Korea. And so that's

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I think that's part of the thinking. But your

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point is interesting to me about the fact that

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this doesn't reflect what people, you know, as

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we're not Americans, but it doesn't seem to have

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been part of the policy platform of the Trump.

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election, the last election, right? No doubt

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at all. But I do think there is some kind of

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strategy behind all of this. And I'm very curious

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what that is. Because I guess if you think about

00:21:36.869 --> 00:21:39.549
it logically, you would say, well, is it an attempt

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to effectively push back against China and Russia

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infiltrating all these countries, right? China

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and Russia were very close with Maduro in Venezuela.

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Very, very close. Like Francis is saying, Hezbollah

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training camps, Isla Margarita. Where was the

00:21:53.769 --> 00:21:57.059
oil going? Right. Same with Iran. I mean, Iran

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sells its oil to China and sends suicide drones

00:22:00.759 --> 00:22:04.079
to Russia to use in Ukraine. So maybe it's that

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maybe the strategy is you're trying to push back

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against Chinese and Russian influence in all

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these countries because you can't attack them

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directly because you can't attack them directly.

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Right. Yeah. But this is all just guessing on

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my part. And that's what I'm really curious.

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We're going to do some interviews on this trip

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to kind of like I want to get someone on the

00:22:22.279 --> 00:22:25.049
show who can go. This is the strategy. Right.

00:22:25.150 --> 00:22:27.250
This is what we're doing, because I think, as

00:22:27.250 --> 00:22:30.210
we were saying earlier, it's not very clear to

00:22:30.210 --> 00:22:33.089
most people what the rationale behind all of

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this is. But I also don't think this sort of

00:22:35.430 --> 00:22:39.069
like mad dog Trump idea is true either. I think

00:22:39.069 --> 00:22:40.930
he has a strategy. I'd just love to know what

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it is. And it's very interesting because there's

00:22:43.670 --> 00:22:47.660
been talk about regime change in Cuba. And one

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of the things, so... I think that's next, genuinely.

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Oh, my God. I think that's next. So when Chavez

00:22:53.660 --> 00:22:56.960
came to power in 99, what he did, and not enough

00:22:56.960 --> 00:22:59.180
people talk about this, is he turned what was

00:22:59.180 --> 00:23:03.099
a very corrupt, admittedly, liberal Western -style

00:23:03.099 --> 00:23:07.339
democracy into a communist dictatorship. And

00:23:07.339 --> 00:23:09.619
how do you do that? You can't just literally

00:23:09.619 --> 00:23:12.140
do that overnight. So what he did is he allied

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with the Cubans and... Fidel in particular, Fidel

00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:20.339
Castro. Venezuela provided Cuba with cheap oil,

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which helped to keep the Cuban economy afloat

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because Cuba has been going broke since however

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many years, 40 odd years. And what Castro did

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was he gave him the boots on the ground in Venezuela.

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but also the technical expertise and know -how

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in order to change a Western liberal democracy

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into a communist state with permanent surveillance,

00:23:40.529 --> 00:23:43.329
secret police, subjugate the population so there

00:23:43.329 --> 00:23:45.490
was no chance of them ever being able to revolt

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and turn everything, like I said, into a communist

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state. So by what they did in Venezuela, Venezuela

00:23:54.029 --> 00:23:58.619
can no longer support Cuba. So Cuba... is literally

00:23:58.619 --> 00:24:01.579
now withering on the vine as a result of them

00:24:01.579 --> 00:24:05.059
knocking out the Venezuelans. So it's going to

00:24:05.059 --> 00:24:07.119
come to a point where you say Cuba effectively

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going to go bankrupt, which could precipitate

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an uprising, a revolution by people when people

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can no longer eat. And that would mean that that

00:24:16.619 --> 00:24:19.640
country is then weakened. Finally, they can get

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rid of the communist regime there and they can

00:24:22.859 --> 00:24:24.640
have a different type of government, one which

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will be far more sympathetic, shall we say, to.

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working with America and being an American island.

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Possibly. That makes sense to me in a way. What

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I don't understand about the Iran thing is like,

00:24:34.460 --> 00:24:37.740
what is the end goal here? Well, you've got Reza

00:24:37.740 --> 00:24:40.740
Pahlavi, the Shah's son. I mean, he left Iran

00:24:40.740 --> 00:24:44.180
a long time ago as a kid, right? You know, the

00:24:44.180 --> 00:24:45.480
idea that he's going to go back in there and

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be welcomed by the masses. Maybe that's true.

00:24:49.099 --> 00:24:52.220
It's like Daenerys returning to the Iron Throne.

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Yeah, but Daenerys had three fucking dragons,

00:24:54.980 --> 00:24:58.720
right? But you know what I'm saying, like she

00:24:58.720 --> 00:25:00.279
left when she was a baby. Yeah, that's right.

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And it's not like the people are desperately,

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I don't know, maybe the people are desperate

00:25:04.460 --> 00:25:06.259
for the return of the show. Well, it seems like

00:25:06.259 --> 00:25:08.640
some people are desperate for a change there.

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The people that were protesting, the people that

00:25:10.579 --> 00:25:14.059
risked their lives, 100%. Like every country,

00:25:14.240 --> 00:25:16.480
like if you only listen to the liberals in this

00:25:16.480 --> 00:25:20.059
country, you would think that no one's illegal

00:25:20.059 --> 00:25:22.059
on stolen land. Right. If you only listen to

00:25:22.059 --> 00:25:24.000
the Republicans in this country, you would think

00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:26.660
we got to find every illegal and get them out

00:25:26.660 --> 00:25:29.059
of our country and make America great again.

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Like it doesn't make sense if we just go only

00:25:32.859 --> 00:25:35.180
by the protesters. Like we don't really have

00:25:35.180 --> 00:25:37.000
accurate polling because they don't have any

00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:39.279
free speech over there. Right. No. And they've

00:25:39.279 --> 00:25:42.759
killed like – famous athletes over there for

00:25:42.759 --> 00:25:44.859
protesting. I mean, they killed the Olympic gold

00:25:44.859 --> 00:25:47.099
medalists in wrestling. The UFC tried to step

00:25:47.099 --> 00:25:49.980
in and try to do something to stop it. They executed

00:25:49.980 --> 00:25:53.700
him. Apparently, I don't even think he was actually

00:25:53.700 --> 00:25:55.720
protesting. I think he was just at a protest.

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He wasn't even saying anything. And this is the

00:25:58.990 --> 00:26:01.089
thing you always have to bear in mind, Joe. I

00:26:01.089 --> 00:26:02.349
might be wrong about that, though. No, I think

00:26:02.349 --> 00:26:04.569
you are right. Am I right about that? The final

00:26:04.569 --> 00:26:06.750
details, I'm not sure, but the fact that he was

00:26:06.750 --> 00:26:08.730
executed. Yes, he was executed. I know Dana worked

00:26:08.730 --> 00:26:10.450
very hard to try and save that guy, right? I

00:26:10.450 --> 00:26:12.990
think there was some discrepancy as to whether

00:26:12.990 --> 00:26:16.230
or not he was actually participating in the protest.

00:26:16.690 --> 00:26:19.490
That also could have been the defense. I don't

00:26:19.490 --> 00:26:21.710
know. But, I mean, the fact that they execute

00:26:21.710 --> 00:26:25.420
people. who protest. There's no way you can support

00:26:25.420 --> 00:26:27.359
that kind of, that's a scary ass fucking government

00:26:27.359 --> 00:26:30.180
and run by religious fanatics. That's a scary

00:26:30.180 --> 00:26:32.240
ass government. But the question is, how scary

00:26:32.240 --> 00:26:35.180
ass does it have to get where invading makes

00:26:35.180 --> 00:26:38.839
sense? Because if this keeps going, like if we,

00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:41.359
we have to go boots on the ground. That's where

00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:43.460
things get nuts. You can't go boots on the ground,

00:26:43.480 --> 00:26:47.130
man. You can't. You can't. Right. I don't think

00:26:47.130 --> 00:26:49.150
there's any... You should be president of the

00:26:49.150 --> 00:26:52.450
United States. There's a lot of people that are

00:26:52.450 --> 00:26:58.450
going to disagree with that. No, I don't think

00:26:58.450 --> 00:27:01.529
that's viable. It might be robot boots on the

00:27:01.529 --> 00:27:04.390
ground. If Elon gets that factory up in time.

00:27:04.509 --> 00:27:08.630
What I want to know is, what is it that you're

00:27:08.630 --> 00:27:12.789
working towards? From what I understand, talking

00:27:12.789 --> 00:27:15.690
to some of the people, Israel would quite like

00:27:15.690 --> 00:27:18.910
a Reza Pahlavi monarchy because the other Middle

00:27:18.910 --> 00:27:21.789
Eastern countries that they have peace with,

00:27:22.549 --> 00:27:26.569
you know, Bahrain, Morocco, increasingly the

00:27:26.569 --> 00:27:28.490
Gulf states, they're all monarchies. Right. Right.

00:27:29.250 --> 00:27:31.809
So they're down with that. But from what I understand,

00:27:31.890 --> 00:27:34.569
the White House is really not that interested

00:27:34.569 --> 00:27:38.519
in Pahlavi. And so what do they want? Well, one

00:27:38.519 --> 00:27:40.160
of the things that Richard Minniter broke on

00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:41.759
our show because it hadn't been reported anywhere

00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:44.319
else was that the White House has given the Israelis

00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:47.799
a no kill list, which is basically a list of

00:27:47.799 --> 00:27:50.099
members of the current regime that they don't

00:27:50.099 --> 00:27:52.799
want to be killed because they have hoped that

00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:57.539
these people could then be the Rodriguez equivalent

00:27:57.539 --> 00:28:02.660
in Iran. Right. And I don't know that the fanatics

00:28:02.660 --> 00:28:05.180
within the Iranian regime who are there now.

00:28:05.759 --> 00:28:08.440
how many of them are like this, like Darth Vader,

00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:10.799
but like, do you know what I mean? Yeah. You're

00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:13.019
kind of looking for... Darth Vader's zero. Yeah,

00:28:13.059 --> 00:28:17.720
no, no, no. Zero Islamism. I don't know that

00:28:17.720 --> 00:28:20.200
that exists, right? Right. Sugar -free. Sugar

00:28:20.200 --> 00:28:25.059
-free. Islamism -free. So that's the bit. And

00:28:25.059 --> 00:28:27.019
that doesn't mean that there isn't like a plan.

00:28:27.299 --> 00:28:28.859
Right. But I don't know what the fuck that plan

00:28:28.859 --> 00:28:31.059
is right now. And I find it hard to see one.

00:28:31.369 --> 00:28:34.609
So regime evil regime gone wonderful. But what

00:28:34.609 --> 00:28:36.509
but the question is always like what comes after

00:28:36.509 --> 00:28:39.150
that, right? That's always the question and that's

00:28:39.150 --> 00:28:41.269
where I think your point is very true, which

00:28:41.269 --> 00:28:43.150
is in the past There have been times where this

00:28:43.150 --> 00:28:45.269
sort of approach has gone completely off the

00:28:45.269 --> 00:28:47.970
rails Yeah, that's a fact and it's also as well.

00:28:48.109 --> 00:28:50.309
What has been coming out of the Trump camp is

00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:53.240
contradictory, to put it mildly. You have Hegsev

00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:54.920
saying one thing, you have Trump saying another.

00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:57.359
They contradict each other at certain points.

00:28:57.420 --> 00:28:59.839
Is that a tactic in order to befuddle the opponent?

00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:02.400
Maybe. Who knows? Or is it the fact that they

00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:05.039
don't actually have a grand vision? Was there

00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:07.140
some sort of a concession today on Russian oil?

00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:11.380
Yeah. Well, I think, first of all, Trump let

00:29:11.380 --> 00:29:14.839
India buy Iranian oil. And I think now they are

00:29:14.839 --> 00:29:17.180
lifting the sanctions on Russia selling its oil

00:29:17.180 --> 00:29:19.079
because the oil prices spiked as much as they

00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:22.960
did. Here it goes. U .S. eases limits on Russian

00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:34.140
energy as oil prices soar. Right. You've got

00:29:34.140 --> 00:29:36.220
the Pink Floyd t -shirt, so it's appropriate.

00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:40.759
But you can see it. The oil prices spiked for,

00:29:40.819 --> 00:29:44.619
what, one day, two days? Yeah. And everyone went

00:29:44.619 --> 00:29:47.700
full panic straight away. But the thing is, if

00:29:47.700 --> 00:29:50.460
that carries on for two months... The impact

00:29:50.460 --> 00:29:53.319
of that on domestic politics. I mean, I'm not

00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:55.259
an expert in American politics, but even I can

00:29:55.259 --> 00:29:56.940
say that's going to be pretty fucking important.

00:29:57.160 --> 00:30:00.700
Oh, it's bad. Right. Yeah. It's going to be bad.

00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:03.339
I mean, if oil prices spike, we're fucked. Yeah.

00:30:03.420 --> 00:30:06.460
You know, and the Republicans are really fucked.

00:30:06.579 --> 00:30:08.160
Yeah. And you've got the midterms. You got the

00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:10.099
midterms coming up in November. And it's also

00:30:10.099 --> 00:30:13.539
the momentum will be in their way. And look,

00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:16.519
there's second, third, fourth order consequences.

00:30:16.619 --> 00:30:19.619
So at the moment in the UK, the vast majority

00:30:19.619 --> 00:30:22.920
of people are finding it more and more difficult

00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:25.339
just to get through to the end of the month because

00:30:25.339 --> 00:30:29.380
of the cost of living, inflation. It's becoming

00:30:29.380 --> 00:30:32.039
worse and worse. I was talking to a butcher in

00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:34.240
my area, which is this very nice part of North

00:30:34.240 --> 00:30:36.900
London. You know the type of place I'm talking

00:30:36.900 --> 00:30:38.819
about. Everyone loves BLM. No one has a black

00:30:38.819 --> 00:30:42.750
friend. That kind of place, right? OK, that's

00:30:42.750 --> 00:30:45.230
the kind of area it is. And he was telling me

00:30:45.230 --> 00:30:47.509
that even in this very wealthy area, people are

00:30:47.509 --> 00:30:50.130
starting to ration meat now. So before they'd

00:30:50.130 --> 00:30:52.089
have meat five days a week. Now they're going

00:30:52.089 --> 00:30:54.529
down to three or two. And this isn't a wealthy

00:30:54.529 --> 00:30:57.369
area. So now imagine if there's energy spikes

00:30:57.369 --> 00:30:59.710
and then food becomes more and more expensive.

00:30:59.950 --> 00:31:05.089
There is already a very worrying hard left. political

00:31:05.089 --> 00:31:07.869
movement growing in the uk where they're talking

00:31:07.869 --> 00:31:11.269
about you know the capitalism doesn't work we

00:31:11.269 --> 00:31:13.890
need socialism and there's a there's this new

00:31:13.890 --> 00:31:16.109
politician come to the fore guy called zach polanski

00:31:16.109 --> 00:31:19.130
who talks about what we need in this country

00:31:19.130 --> 00:31:23.130
and the uk is socialism now imagine if the cost

00:31:23.130 --> 00:31:25.930
of living crisis gets worse and the vast majority

00:31:25.930 --> 00:31:30.329
of people who work hard in a regular job can't

00:31:30.329 --> 00:31:32.430
make ends meet through literal no fault of their

00:31:32.430 --> 00:31:35.609
own Can you blame them for going, hang on, capitalism

00:31:35.609 --> 00:31:38.390
doesn't work? Because in this instance, at that

00:31:38.390 --> 00:31:41.490
moment, it doesn't work for them. And then that

00:31:41.490 --> 00:31:45.089
could spark something completely disastrous for

00:31:45.089 --> 00:31:47.890
our country. Yeah. But I think, you know, that's

00:31:47.890 --> 00:31:49.930
a negative story. I think it's incredibly persuasive.

00:31:49.990 --> 00:31:52.809
And I lean more in the direction that this could

00:31:52.809 --> 00:31:55.970
go badly. But I also think there is the possibility

00:31:55.970 --> 00:31:58.849
of this goes well, too. I think that is possible.

00:32:00.150 --> 00:32:04.069
How do you envision that scenario? If they're

00:32:04.069 --> 00:32:06.529
able to keep the Strait of Hormuz open, and you

00:32:06.529 --> 00:32:08.869
don't have this energy problems that we've got

00:32:08.869 --> 00:32:13.869
now, you know, Venezuela, Cuba, he's basically

00:32:13.869 --> 00:32:16.529
resetting the region. And he's basically saying

00:32:16.529 --> 00:32:18.410
to all the people that want to align themselves

00:32:18.410 --> 00:32:21.170
with China and Russia, like, we're not fucking

00:32:21.170 --> 00:32:24.660
about here. Don't cross these lines. That is

00:32:24.660 --> 00:32:28.200
an opportunity to address the slide that the

00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:30.099
Western world has had vis -a -vis China and Russia

00:32:30.099 --> 00:32:32.319
for a very long time. That could be a very positive

00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:35.859
thing. The thing is what happens in Iran, like

00:32:35.859 --> 00:32:38.480
that is the thing that I don't really see how

00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:41.420
that goes well. It might do. Like I said, there's

00:32:41.420 --> 00:32:43.920
probably a plan that we don't know. And if that

00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:47.400
works out, that could be very good. OK. What

00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:50.220
would you imagine that plan would be if you –

00:32:50.779 --> 00:32:54.700
If you like, let's let's imagine best case scenario.

00:32:54.859 --> 00:32:57.000
You're in the White House. They're all very rational.

00:32:57.180 --> 00:32:59.339
No one's being influenced by foreign government

00:32:59.339 --> 00:33:01.779
governments. No one's incompetent. Everybody

00:33:01.779 --> 00:33:03.980
knows what they're doing. Well, yeah. I mean,

00:33:03.980 --> 00:33:09.279
we're in the realms of fantasy. But I mean, take

00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:10.920
the Soviet Union, which is obviously something

00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:13.069
that I know. Right. born in the Soviet Union,

00:33:13.109 --> 00:33:15.430
Russia. Towards the end of the Soviet Union,

00:33:15.609 --> 00:33:18.549
you still had some fanatical communists. And

00:33:18.549 --> 00:33:20.609
in fact, throughout the Soviet Union, you always

00:33:20.609 --> 00:33:22.789
had within the government a mixture of different

00:33:22.789 --> 00:33:25.990
people, right? You had the fanatical communists

00:33:25.990 --> 00:33:27.569
who believed that communism is the only thing

00:33:27.569 --> 00:33:30.109
that was ever going to work, etc. But you also

00:33:30.109 --> 00:33:33.490
had people who were reformers. They saw the problems.

00:33:33.589 --> 00:33:37.019
They saw the fanatical. communists were ruining

00:33:37.019 --> 00:33:38.940
things and things were getting worse, right?

00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:41.299
They saw that you had to kill more and more of

00:33:41.299 --> 00:33:44.200
your own people to keep shit locked down, right?

00:33:44.579 --> 00:33:48.559
So the argument could be within the Iranian Revolutionary

00:33:48.559 --> 00:33:51.599
Guard or the regime more broadly. There are people

00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:55.500
who are like, you know, I'm not necessarily that

00:33:55.500 --> 00:33:57.700
keen on the guy who runs Syria now, al -Jilani,

00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:00.140
right? He is a jihadi, but he's kind of like

00:34:00.140 --> 00:34:03.700
a moderate one, you know. I don't know how long

00:34:03.700 --> 00:34:05.619
it's going to last, but my point is within every

00:34:05.619 --> 00:34:08.579
regime, there is some range of opinion. There

00:34:08.579 --> 00:34:11.179
is some range of fanaticism. There is some range

00:34:11.179 --> 00:34:14.019
of people who, partly for generational reasons,

00:34:14.179 --> 00:34:18.559
the younger people have seen a 40 -year history

00:34:18.559 --> 00:34:20.300
and they now go, okay, this isn't working anymore.

00:34:20.420 --> 00:34:22.519
We need to try something else. That is possible.

00:34:23.059 --> 00:34:26.480
So if the CIA and the White House have someone

00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:29.719
like that and they can do a regime adjustment,

00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:32.900
And like I think the idea that you're going to

00:34:32.900 --> 00:34:37.900
have, you know, multi -parliamentary democracy

00:34:37.900 --> 00:34:41.340
with, you know, free and fair elections and women,

00:34:41.440 --> 00:34:44.760
you know, like Venice Beach, you know, rollerblading

00:34:44.760 --> 00:34:46.659
on bikinis on. I don't know that that's going

00:34:46.659 --> 00:34:50.119
to happen. Right. But what you might have is

00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:54.360
an authoritarian regime of some kind, like many

00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:57.150
other countries in the Middle East. which realizes

00:34:57.150 --> 00:34:59.230
that actually economic growth is more important

00:34:59.230 --> 00:35:01.170
than shouting Allah Akbar every three minutes

00:35:01.170 --> 00:35:04.570
and blowing shit up, right? That focuses on making

00:35:04.570 --> 00:35:07.090
life better for their citizens. That, you know,

00:35:07.130 --> 00:35:10.090
practices traditional Muslim values, which many

00:35:10.090 --> 00:35:12.150
countries do, and says, you know, women ought

00:35:12.150 --> 00:35:14.690
to be modest, but doesn't force them to wear

00:35:14.690 --> 00:35:21.199
the burqa or the headscarf or whatever. And is

00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:24.500
less interested in destabilizing the region and

00:35:24.500 --> 00:35:26.539
attacking others and trying to be this great

00:35:26.539 --> 00:35:29.500
power. And is more interested in just prosperity

00:35:29.500 --> 00:35:32.880
for its own people, survival for themselves as

00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:35.400
a regime, and is willing to play ball with the

00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:38.159
United States. Well said. Yeah, well said. That's

00:35:38.159 --> 00:35:39.559
best case scenario. That's best case scenario.

00:35:39.699 --> 00:35:42.360
Now, if you get there, I think that would be

00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:44.320
a huge win for President Trump and it'd be a

00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:47.289
huge win for the world. And he will walk away

00:35:47.289 --> 00:35:49.929
from that with a huge win. And I think you're

00:35:49.929 --> 00:35:51.909
a better expert on the American people, but I

00:35:51.909 --> 00:35:54.289
think American people like winning, right? So

00:35:54.289 --> 00:35:57.409
if you have all this happen, he can then say,

00:35:57.469 --> 00:35:59.110
well, look, we did this, we did this, we did

00:35:59.110 --> 00:36:01.570
this. Russia and China have been pushed back.

00:36:01.949 --> 00:36:05.349
Iran is not going to get a nuke, which is important.

00:36:05.590 --> 00:36:07.849
I think we can all agree on that, right? There

00:36:07.849 --> 00:36:10.250
is the possibility that he comes out of this

00:36:10.250 --> 00:36:15.010
very well. I think that... based on what I see,

00:36:15.070 --> 00:36:16.769
but I don't know. Coming back to what we said,

00:36:16.889 --> 00:36:19.190
I think we share this kind of perspective, really,

00:36:19.269 --> 00:36:22.590
Francis and I. That seems somewhat less likely.

00:36:22.630 --> 00:36:25.150
The point is harder to see. But I think you can

00:36:25.150 --> 00:36:27.590
tell a persuasive story both ways. I really do.

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of them having some sort of a democracy over

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know, you do look at the relationships that we

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have with other Gulf state nations seems fine,

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right? It's not threatening to us. We would like

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everyone to be free and have the same sort of

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liberal democracy that we have in America, but

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okay, you want that all day long. You can't do

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anything to change the way other people govern

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themselves, especially when you've gotten to

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the point where, like, take any of the Middle

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royal families have been running it forever.

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They have insane amounts of oil money. Good luck.

00:39:15.099 --> 00:39:17.219
Good luck getting them out of there. Good luck

00:39:17.219 --> 00:39:20.820
saying we should just vote and have a president

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and you don't have any power anymore. How are

00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:25.639
you going to pull that off? Especially if things

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are going well for the people that live there.

00:39:28.219 --> 00:39:32.530
I have a friend who moved to Dubai. And he's

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an American. And he moved back to America recently.

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But he was over there and he said, dude, you

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could leave a Rolex on the street and people

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would pick it up and bring it to the police.

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Like, it's so safe. He's like, there's no crime.

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And he's black. And he's like, I worry when I

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go out in America, I'm going to get shot. I'm

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worried I'm going to go to a club and someone's

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going to start beefing and shooting up the place

00:39:53.949 --> 00:39:56.110
and I'm going to get hit. He goes, I don't think

00:39:56.110 --> 00:39:57.869
about that at all over here. There's none of

00:39:57.869 --> 00:40:01.329
that. He goes, it's safer. Is it fucked up? that,

00:40:01.449 --> 00:40:05.670
you know, it's run by a king? I guess. Is it

00:40:05.670 --> 00:40:09.809
that much different than a president? I mean,

00:40:09.829 --> 00:40:13.409
in a way, like, it's a leader, right? You've

00:40:13.409 --> 00:40:15.269
got more checks and balances over here. You've

00:40:15.269 --> 00:40:17.730
got Congress. You've got all this shit going

00:40:17.730 --> 00:40:19.710
on with the Supreme Court. You have all these

00:40:19.710 --> 00:40:21.710
different human beings that also have a say and

00:40:21.710 --> 00:40:24.570
can block things. But at the end of the day,

00:40:24.690 --> 00:40:29.409
we're still under this bizarre alpha male chimpanzee

00:40:29.409 --> 00:40:33.070
structure that has existed from the time that

00:40:33.070 --> 00:40:35.849
we were 150 people in a fucking tribe. Right.

00:40:36.590 --> 00:40:40.030
So it's still one guy running things. It's just

00:40:40.030 --> 00:40:42.670
running things their way. And if you are a citizen

00:40:42.670 --> 00:40:47.280
in Dubai. Pretty fucking good, right? Well, your

00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:48.940
point about the UAE is really interesting because

00:40:48.940 --> 00:40:51.639
not only is on the practical level of safety

00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:54.920
and other things, but also they don't have the

00:40:54.920 --> 00:40:57.940
Islamism problem that we have in Britain. And

00:40:57.940 --> 00:40:59.960
increasingly, you guys are starting to see here.

00:41:00.690 --> 00:41:03.309
Because they recognize that it's a problem and

00:41:03.309 --> 00:41:05.230
they deal with it. So I don't know if you saw

00:41:05.230 --> 00:41:08.889
this news story. The UAE no longer gives sponsorships

00:41:08.889 --> 00:41:12.130
to their students to go to the UK because they're

00:41:12.130 --> 00:41:15.050
worried their kids are going to get radicalized

00:41:15.050 --> 00:41:18.719
by Islamists in Britain. Which is. Fucking wild.

00:41:18.900 --> 00:41:21.659
Yeah. That is fucking wild. And you, I mean,

00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:24.380
you were messaging me about this story with the

00:41:24.380 --> 00:41:27.239
Mamdani situation, right, yesterday. Yes. You

00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:29.179
now have this problem in America. Yeah. Yes.

00:41:29.260 --> 00:41:32.000
You have the Islamism problem here, where people

00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:34.280
who are supporters of ISIS are thrown, but I

00:41:34.280 --> 00:41:36.039
mean, your media is pretending it's not happening,

00:41:36.139 --> 00:41:37.699
but it's fucking happening. Well, it happened

00:41:37.699 --> 00:41:40.460
in Austin. Right. Yeah. I mean, the guy who shot

00:41:40.460 --> 00:41:43.340
up that bomb. Because this is a problem, Joe.

00:41:43.380 --> 00:41:44.860
I'm going to send that article to Jamie. Jamie,

00:41:45.019 --> 00:41:47.980
you could probably find it on CNN because it's

00:41:47.980 --> 00:41:50.219
kind of hilarious. Incredible. This was actually

00:41:50.219 --> 00:41:52.440
incredible. The New York Times title change thing.

00:41:52.860 --> 00:41:55.099
Did the New York Times change their title? Yeah.

00:41:55.139 --> 00:42:00.139
They did? I wonder why. All austere scholars.

00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:03.360
I'm going to send you the CNN one first. The

00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:08.920
CNN one is really wild. They had like fuses of.

00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:11.300
Things with smoke or something, they change it

00:42:11.300 --> 00:42:14.719
to bombs or something. Yeah, fucking duh. I'm

00:42:14.719 --> 00:42:16.480
sending you this one because the CNN one is,

00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:19.820
believe it or not, more preposterous. The CNN

00:42:19.820 --> 00:42:23.059
one is so kooky. You see their headline and you're

00:42:23.059 --> 00:42:26.960
like, what kind of story are you painting here?

00:42:27.619 --> 00:42:32.579
This is such a crazy way to frame a guy showed

00:42:32.579 --> 00:42:35.619
up with bombs and was hurling them at people.

00:42:36.219 --> 00:42:38.260
They made it sound like the exact opposite of

00:42:38.260 --> 00:42:39.900
what actually happened. Well, it sounded like

00:42:39.900 --> 00:42:42.840
it was just a regular day. Just a regular day

00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:45.599
for this fella, and then things just went a little

00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:47.659
sideways somewhere along the line. Listen, we've

00:42:47.659 --> 00:42:49.500
all got hobbies, man. You know what I mean? You

00:42:49.500 --> 00:42:51.559
like working out. He has nail bumps. Come on.

00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:54.780
Did you get it, Jamie? It's not coming through?

00:42:54.940 --> 00:42:58.300
No, look. It's not loading there. Oh, interesting.

00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:03.289
But let me see if they took it down. I guess

00:43:03.289 --> 00:43:05.329
they would have. You probably have an old link.

00:43:05.489 --> 00:43:07.590
Okay, that's the New York Times one I sent you.

00:43:07.849 --> 00:43:09.769
No, that's the one I just clicked on. Let me

00:43:09.769 --> 00:43:12.010
check the original one. Nothing to see here.

00:43:12.150 --> 00:43:15.369
Interesting. They probably deleted it. Okay,

00:43:15.449 --> 00:43:17.719
here, I found it. I found it. Two Pennsylvania

00:43:17.719 --> 00:43:19.940
teenagers crossed into New York City Saturday

00:43:19.940 --> 00:43:22.019
morning for what could have been a normal day,

00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:25.179
enjoying the city during abnormally warm weather.

00:43:25.400 --> 00:43:27.860
But in less than an hour, their lives would drastically

00:43:27.860 --> 00:43:30.420
change as the pair would be arrested for throwing

00:43:30.420 --> 00:43:36.760
homemade bombs. That is CNN's tweet. I'm going

00:43:36.760 --> 00:43:38.579
to send you a screenshot because I do believe

00:43:38.579 --> 00:43:41.579
they have taken it down. It's brilliant. Yep.

00:43:41.639 --> 00:43:43.719
Nothing to see here yet. Yeah, they took it down.

00:43:44.219 --> 00:43:47.340
That's not a headline, though. No, no, no. I'm

00:43:47.340 --> 00:43:50.920
going to send you the actual tweet because they

00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:53.400
did take it down because it's so fucking ridiculous.

00:43:53.639 --> 00:43:57.860
But the internet never forgets. I'm sending it

00:43:57.860 --> 00:44:00.019
to you here. Thank God I saved it. It took a

00:44:00.019 --> 00:44:02.519
screenshot. Because I'm like, this is such a

00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:08.320
crazy way to frame two guys wanting to do a terror

00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:10.559
attack. Yeah. But it's not an accident, Joe.

00:44:10.619 --> 00:44:13.110
It's not crazy. You know it's not crazy. Look

00:44:13.110 --> 00:44:15.429
how it's framed here. This is the original tweet.

00:44:15.849 --> 00:44:18.170
Two Pennsylvania teenagers, just regular fellas

00:44:18.170 --> 00:44:22.650
from PA, from Philly. Two Philly boys had a couple

00:44:22.650 --> 00:44:25.869
of cheesesteaks and got on the train. Crossing

00:44:25.869 --> 00:44:27.630
New York City Saturday morning for what could

00:44:27.630 --> 00:44:29.889
have been a normal day, enjoying the city during

00:44:29.889 --> 00:44:32.329
abnormally warm weather. Why the fuck would you

00:44:32.329 --> 00:44:34.349
even say that? Could have been a normal day if

00:44:34.349 --> 00:44:35.590
they weren't going there to commit terrorism.

00:44:35.590 --> 00:44:37.210
Do you know what it reads like? It reads like

00:44:37.210 --> 00:44:39.530
when I used to teach 13 -year -olds creative

00:44:39.530 --> 00:44:42.670
writing. That's how they'd all start off. It

00:44:42.670 --> 00:44:46.610
was like a normal day. I mean, I'd like to know

00:44:46.610 --> 00:44:48.909
who wrote that. Who's the person who wrote that?

00:44:49.070 --> 00:44:51.650
And I want to know, were you directed to write

00:44:51.650 --> 00:44:53.750
it that way? Who approved it? Yeah. Who edited

00:44:53.750 --> 00:44:56.469
it? Are you trying to downplay the possibility

00:44:56.469 --> 00:44:59.849
of... First of all, now in New York, because

00:44:59.849 --> 00:45:03.190
you have a guy who's an avowed whatever he is,

00:45:03.329 --> 00:45:06.630
democratic socialist, some say communist, but

00:45:06.630 --> 00:45:10.829
also Muslim. And then you have these Islamists

00:45:10.829 --> 00:45:13.269
who are doing a terrorist attack. So are you

00:45:13.269 --> 00:45:15.889
trying to soften that? Yeah, they are. So what

00:45:15.889 --> 00:45:18.389
happened, just so people know, is there was a

00:45:18.389 --> 00:45:21.409
protest outside Mamdani's mansion. Right. Right.

00:45:21.489 --> 00:45:24.389
And then these two people turned up and threw

00:45:24.389 --> 00:45:29.210
bombs at the protesters. Right. If you just read

00:45:29.210 --> 00:45:31.289
that and no other stuff, you would have come

00:45:31.289 --> 00:45:33.590
away with the conclusion that it was the protesters

00:45:33.590 --> 00:45:37.170
who were the targets of the bombs. They were

00:45:37.170 --> 00:45:39.809
the ones that threw the bombs. No one officially

00:45:39.809 --> 00:45:42.289
said that that's what happened, but the way they

00:45:42.289 --> 00:45:44.909
did the story and the headline, you would have

00:45:44.909 --> 00:45:47.309
got that impression. And you're just going, well,

00:45:47.489 --> 00:45:50.690
you were just on a team. You see this as a team

00:45:50.690 --> 00:45:53.510
game, right? And you want to present your team

00:45:53.510 --> 00:45:56.889
in the correct light. Oh, the new post. A post

00:45:56.889 --> 00:45:58.710
regarding two individuals arrested for throwing

00:45:58.710 --> 00:46:00.630
handmade bombs outside of New York City Mayor

00:46:00.630 --> 00:46:04.949
Zohan Mandani's home failed to reflect the gravity

00:46:04.949 --> 00:46:07.710
of the incident, thereby breaching the editorial

00:46:07.710 --> 00:46:10.989
standards we require for all our reporting. It

00:46:10.989 --> 00:46:13.469
has therefore been deleted. But see how skillful

00:46:13.469 --> 00:46:16.369
this is, Joe. This is gaslighting again. They're

00:46:16.369 --> 00:46:21.429
saying their mistake was... This guy's a donut

00:46:21.429 --> 00:46:24.010
operator. Nah, you retards got called out for

00:46:24.010 --> 00:46:26.110
trying to downplay actual terrorism, and now

00:46:26.110 --> 00:46:28.409
you're backpedaling. Yep. Who's that second guy?

00:46:28.449 --> 00:46:31.369
He's really smart. Didn't fail to reflect the

00:46:31.369 --> 00:46:33.670
gravity of the situation. This guy named Constantine,

00:46:33.750 --> 00:46:36.449
I think he's on that Trigonometry show, reflected

00:46:36.449 --> 00:46:38.289
the gravity of the situation and failed to accurately

00:46:38.289 --> 00:46:40.670
communicate who was responsible, who the intended

00:46:40.670 --> 00:46:44.010
victims were, and where to... The blame for the

00:46:44.010 --> 00:46:46.070
attempted terrorist attack lay. In other words,

00:46:46.090 --> 00:46:48.409
you didn't accidentally downplay the seriousness

00:46:48.409 --> 00:46:51.949
of it. You deliberately misrepresented what happened

00:46:51.949 --> 00:46:54.349
to conceal the truth from the public. Well, that's

00:46:54.349 --> 00:46:59.110
how AI would say it. I still write my own shit,

00:46:59.170 --> 00:47:01.849
Joe. I know you do, but I like the donut operator

00:47:01.849 --> 00:47:06.829
guy. I know. He's more your cup of tea. That's

00:47:06.829 --> 00:47:08.670
how I like to talk. That is what happened, though,

00:47:08.690 --> 00:47:10.070
right? That is what happened, but that's what's

00:47:10.070 --> 00:47:13.929
really scary about this. world we're living in

00:47:13.929 --> 00:47:16.599
now. right now because we're so ideologically

00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:19.079
captured, both right and left. Everyone in this

00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:22.079
country looks at this administration as an existential

00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:25.780
threat to democracy itself and our way of life

00:47:25.780 --> 00:47:29.059
and fill in the blank whatever marginalized groups

00:47:29.059 --> 00:47:31.300
are all going to be round up and put in internment

00:47:31.300 --> 00:47:34.860
camps. This is the narrative that the most radical

00:47:34.860 --> 00:47:38.119
of the left have about the sky is falling because

00:47:38.119 --> 00:47:40.260
Trump's in office. But it's also as well what

00:47:40.260 --> 00:47:41.900
people on the left don't want to acknowledge

00:47:41.900 --> 00:47:45.519
is the dangers of Islamism. When they see people

00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:48.460
do these kind of horrific terror attacks, when

00:47:48.460 --> 00:47:50.800
they see, for instance, what happened in the

00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:53.500
London Bridge terror attacks in 2019 or what

00:47:53.500 --> 00:47:55.579
happened in Manchester in the Ariana Grande concert

00:47:55.579 --> 00:48:01.380
where Islamic terrorists bombed. a Ariana Grande

00:48:01.380 --> 00:48:03.539
concert and the majority of the audience were

00:48:03.539 --> 00:48:06.619
little girls, were young girls. And they say,

00:48:06.679 --> 00:48:08.980
oh, this happened because, you know, they were

00:48:08.980 --> 00:48:12.099
marginalized and they felt angry. And this is

00:48:12.099 --> 00:48:14.219
what people do when you push them to one side

00:48:14.219 --> 00:48:15.920
and they don't have a means in order to how to

00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:18.599
express themselves. You're going, no, what this

00:48:18.599 --> 00:48:22.539
is, is an ideology. It's an ideology which believes

00:48:22.539 --> 00:48:27.099
that our civilization, our way of life. But also

00:48:27.099 --> 00:48:29.679
they want to establish their form of radical

00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:32.320
Islam across the globe. They want to create a

00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:34.880
global Islamic caliphate and they will do whatever

00:48:34.880 --> 00:48:37.860
it takes in order to achieve that goal. But people

00:48:37.860 --> 00:48:40.099
in the West, they can't understand that because

00:48:40.099 --> 00:48:43.380
it's so alien for how we see. This is how we

00:48:43.380 --> 00:48:45.559
see things. We believe human life is precious.

00:48:45.780 --> 00:48:47.739
We believe the most important thing is human

00:48:47.739 --> 00:48:50.320
life. They don't. They believe the cause is more

00:48:50.320 --> 00:48:53.139
important than your life. And we can't understand

00:48:53.139 --> 00:48:55.480
that because we're raised in a world that is

00:48:55.480 --> 00:48:57.940
fundamentally Christian, even though we might

00:48:57.940 --> 00:49:00.639
not be. We still have Christian values. We had

00:49:00.639 --> 00:49:03.039
a guest on the show, a wonderful historian called

00:49:03.039 --> 00:49:05.400
Tom Holland, and he explained this to us, that

00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:08.079
even if you're not Christian, even if you think

00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:10.739
you were raised by atheist parents, you were

00:49:10.739 --> 00:49:14.090
still raised with... christian values that's

00:49:14.090 --> 00:49:16.429
the soup in which we live that's what the water

00:49:16.429 --> 00:49:19.989
in which we swim so this way of life that these

00:49:19.989 --> 00:49:23.550
people have this ideology is so alien to us that

00:49:23.550 --> 00:49:26.489
we can't understand it but also we don't want

00:49:26.489 --> 00:49:29.440
to understand it because if you Start to actually

00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:32.219
investigate what these people believe, what their

00:49:32.219 --> 00:49:34.960
ideology is. You realize that we are not all

00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:37.519
the same and these people believe something very,

00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:40.019
very different. And then we're going to have

00:49:40.019 --> 00:49:43.420
a very uncomfortable conversation of how do you

00:49:43.420 --> 00:49:46.199
tackle this? Because can you have Western liberal

00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:49.340
democratic values and Islamism and people who

00:49:49.340 --> 00:49:51.840
are Islamists in the same society? And the answer

00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:53.800
is you can't. And I think it's really important,

00:49:53.900 --> 00:49:56.039
your point, the difference between Islamists

00:49:56.039 --> 00:49:59.300
and Muslims. Yes. The Muslims are these Gulf

00:49:59.300 --> 00:50:01.340
state people. Muslims are these people in Dubai

00:50:01.340 --> 00:50:03.820
and Saudi Arabia. Islamists are the ones that

00:50:03.820 --> 00:50:06.139
want the caliphate. Yeah. Right. But then you

00:50:06.139 --> 00:50:08.739
have the crazy Christians. And that thing that

00:50:08.739 --> 00:50:10.340
I sent you, the Yahoo thing that we talked about

00:50:10.340 --> 00:50:12.880
yesterday with Schellenberger, the Yahoo thing

00:50:12.880 --> 00:50:18.110
is nuts. Military leaders. So this comes from

00:50:18.110 --> 00:50:20.170
one of the non -commissioned officers who went

00:50:20.170 --> 00:50:22.769
to a briefing. He goes to a briefing and they

00:50:22.769 --> 00:50:25.690
inform him that you shouldn't be scared because

00:50:25.690 --> 00:50:28.809
this is all because President Trump is anointed

00:50:28.809 --> 00:50:31.889
by Jesus. And this is to bring about Armageddon

00:50:31.889 --> 00:50:35.449
so that Jesus returns to Earth. This isn't a

00:50:35.449 --> 00:50:38.570
fucking military briefing. One such note included

00:50:38.570 --> 00:50:40.730
an anecdote from a non -commissioned officer

00:50:40.730 --> 00:50:43.130
who reported that their commander had urged us

00:50:43.130 --> 00:50:45.610
to tell our troops this war was all a part of

00:50:45.610 --> 00:50:48.610
God's divine plan. And he specifically referenced

00:50:48.610 --> 00:50:50.769
numerous citations out of the book of Revelations

00:50:50.769 --> 00:50:53.510
referring to Armageddon and the imminent return

00:50:53.510 --> 00:50:57.289
of Jesus Christ. This is fucking crazy. He said

00:50:57.289 --> 00:51:00.199
this morning, our committee. This is an officer

00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:02.400
who's talking about this. This morning, our commander

00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:04.500
opened up the combat readiness status briefing

00:51:04.500 --> 00:51:07.139
by urging us to not be afraid as to what was

00:51:07.139 --> 00:51:08.920
happening with our combat operations in Iran.

00:51:09.159 --> 00:51:11.780
He said President Trump has been anointed by

00:51:11.780 --> 00:51:15.360
Jesus to light the signal fire in Iran to cause

00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:19.260
Armageddon and mark his return to Earth. He said

00:51:19.260 --> 00:51:20.960
he had a big grin on his face when he said all

00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:23.519
this, which made his message seem even more crazy.

00:51:24.269 --> 00:51:27.829
Well, that's reassuring. Well, this is the scary

00:51:27.829 --> 00:51:31.849
arm of the right. This is the scariest arm of

00:51:31.849 --> 00:51:33.869
the right. The people that think that this is

00:51:33.869 --> 00:51:36.110
one of the main reasons the Micah could be people.

00:51:36.289 --> 00:51:38.329
I think this is the main reason to protect Israel.

00:51:38.690 --> 00:51:41.550
It's a part of God's plan. You know, Israel is

00:51:41.550 --> 00:51:43.389
where Jesus is going to return. He's going to

00:51:43.389 --> 00:51:47.110
return to Jerusalem. Yikes. Yeah, I've never

00:51:47.110 --> 00:51:49.010
really understood that. Like, I think you can

00:51:49.010 --> 00:51:52.050
argue for, you can be pro -Israel for pragmatic

00:51:52.050 --> 00:51:56.579
reasons. religious stuff is a little bit weird

00:51:56.579 --> 00:51:59.380
to me well this but the problem is you've got

00:51:59.380 --> 00:52:02.159
fanatics right like the islamists but you've

00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:06.139
also got these christian hard right christian

00:52:06.139 --> 00:52:09.440
nationalists that really believe that this is

00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:13.960
a part of biblical prophecy and that they this

00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:15.840
is book of revelations it's about to go down

00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:19.219
and they they want it to go down this is terrifying

00:52:19.219 --> 00:52:23.380
this is really interesting for us because In

00:52:23.380 --> 00:52:27.480
the UK, Christianity has been dig fanged to the

00:52:27.480 --> 00:52:30.340
point where there's a trans flag on practically

00:52:30.340 --> 00:52:34.039
every church. So this idea of having these hardcore

00:52:34.039 --> 00:52:37.079
right wing fundamentalist Christians, we just

00:52:37.079 --> 00:52:38.599
don't experience that. We don't have that really.

00:52:38.860 --> 00:52:41.760
Yeah. It's like, can't everybody live in the

00:52:41.760 --> 00:52:43.900
middle? Why do you have to go all the way over

00:52:43.900 --> 00:52:46.800
to we got to start Armageddon? Jesus is going

00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:48.500
to come back on a white horse. You ever read

00:52:48.500 --> 00:52:50.880
the book of Revelations? Yeah, I got really into

00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:54.150
it. The book of Revelations is kooky. They really

00:52:54.150 --> 00:52:56.150
believe that Jesus is going to return on a horse.

00:52:57.070 --> 00:52:59.769
Why a horse? A white horse. That's a bit racist.

00:53:00.050 --> 00:53:04.869
A little bit. I mean, I don't get it. Can we

00:53:04.869 --> 00:53:06.769
have a diverse horse at least for Armageddon?

00:53:07.429 --> 00:53:08.610
Why not a horse of color, Joe? You want me to

00:53:08.610 --> 00:53:10.429
read you the passage? Because I saved it. Because

00:53:10.429 --> 00:53:13.530
it's kind of kooky. Because it's one of those

00:53:13.530 --> 00:53:15.730
things where you just go, well, who fucking believes

00:53:15.730 --> 00:53:18.289
this? Is this really what you think is going

00:53:18.289 --> 00:53:20.110
to go down because someone wrote it down on paper?

00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:25.079
2 ,000 years ago in ancient Hebrew. It says,

00:53:25.300 --> 00:53:29.099
heaven opens and Christ appears on a white horse

00:53:29.099 --> 00:53:32.699
to judge and wage war, called faithful and true

00:53:32.699 --> 00:53:36.019
with eyes like fire, many crowns, and the name

00:53:36.019 --> 00:53:39.159
King of King and Lord of Lords. Just imagine

00:53:39.159 --> 00:53:41.500
it's 2026 and you're like, that's the blueprint,

00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:45.519
boys. But this is just as scary, and especially

00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:48.079
for people that are Muslims, right? Or anybody

00:53:48.079 --> 00:53:51.039
who lives in the Middle East. This is more important

00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:53.920
than human life. This is more important than

00:53:53.920 --> 00:53:57.239
international law. This is like in the eyes of

00:53:57.239 --> 00:54:00.260
the crazy on the right. This is the problem.

00:54:00.420 --> 00:54:02.800
So it's like it's not it's not like one side.

00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:05.139
It's like all good over here. We have to fight

00:54:05.139 --> 00:54:08.460
against the Islamists. We've got some kooks over

00:54:08.460 --> 00:54:11.550
here, too. If that guy is for real and that guy

00:54:11.550 --> 00:54:13.949
is in a position of power and he's really having

00:54:13.949 --> 00:54:15.690
combat readiness meetings where he's telling

00:54:15.690 --> 00:54:18.369
people that we have to bomb and start Armageddon

00:54:18.369 --> 00:54:20.949
so Jesus can come back on a white horse, fucking

00:54:20.949 --> 00:54:25.010
yo. Like that's kooky. The thing that is probably

00:54:25.010 --> 00:54:27.929
reassuring somewhat is I don't – President Trump

00:54:27.929 --> 00:54:29.730
doesn't strike me as one of those people. He's

00:54:29.730 --> 00:54:33.130
not. He's not, right? Whereas the leader of Iran

00:54:33.130 --> 00:54:35.880
is. Right, but people in the military I think

00:54:35.880 --> 00:54:37.940
are as well. Yeah and people in high positions

00:54:37.940 --> 00:54:40.539
in the military I think maybe as well if this

00:54:40.539 --> 00:54:43.440
guy can give that kind of a meeting And that

00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:45.800
kind of a speech at a meeting that that's a little

00:54:45.800 --> 00:54:48.340
terrifying and if I was over there I'd be freaking

00:54:48.340 --> 00:54:51.059
the fuck out if I'd be like this is your plan

00:54:51.849 --> 00:54:54.610
I'm cannon fodder so that Jesus can come back.

00:54:54.710 --> 00:54:58.050
My body's going to be a part of the fucking signal

00:54:58.050 --> 00:55:00.309
fire. Let's be honest, though. It wouldn't be

00:55:00.309 --> 00:55:02.929
that much of a plot twist for 2026, would it?

00:55:02.929 --> 00:55:05.530
Right. It would be the final, you know, episode

00:55:05.530 --> 00:55:11.070
10, Game of Thrones, season six. Yes. I mean,

00:55:11.090 --> 00:55:12.869
it is getting fucking wild. And that's when the

00:55:12.869 --> 00:55:14.369
aliens come. Maybe that's what they're doing.

00:55:15.449 --> 00:55:19.610
You know, the whole thing is it's. there's not

00:55:19.610 --> 00:55:22.909
a sane person on either side. The whole thing

00:55:22.909 --> 00:55:27.670
is nuts. And it's like, it doesn't make sense

00:55:27.670 --> 00:55:30.050
to anybody. And that's what scares the shit out

00:55:30.050 --> 00:55:33.769
of me. Yeah, it's... The thing that scares me

00:55:33.769 --> 00:55:36.969
is what Constantine has addressed is I don't

00:55:36.969 --> 00:55:41.150
get worried unless I can't see a way out or the

00:55:41.150 --> 00:55:43.369
way that this is resolved. And like you said,

00:55:43.449 --> 00:55:46.530
the coin is in the air. And I'm slightly of more

00:55:46.530 --> 00:55:48.449
of a more pessimistic nature. He's more of an

00:55:48.449 --> 00:55:52.989
optimist. But as I look at it and I think to

00:55:52.989 --> 00:55:56.250
myself, this could go so wrong, so badly wrong,

00:55:56.429 --> 00:55:59.670
that it could make Iraq look like an absolute

00:55:59.670 --> 00:56:01.869
picnic in comparison. Yeah. Well, especially

00:56:01.869 --> 00:56:03.989
if terrorist attacks start popping off over in

00:56:03.989 --> 00:56:07.369
America, like major ones, you know, and that.

00:56:07.869 --> 00:56:09.530
That could be bad for everything. That could

00:56:09.530 --> 00:56:12.050
be bad for freedom of speech. That could be bad

00:56:12.050 --> 00:56:16.570
for rights. That could be bad for incorporation

00:56:16.570 --> 00:56:18.829
of digital ID. That would be a good way to push

00:56:18.829 --> 00:56:20.869
that through. There's a lot of stuff that would

00:56:20.869 --> 00:56:22.909
go through that would radically change, just

00:56:22.909 --> 00:56:25.210
like the Patriot Act did. Patriot Act radically

00:56:25.210 --> 00:56:27.170
changed the freedoms that we have in America

00:56:27.170 --> 00:56:29.050
and the overreach that the government has allowed.

00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:32.099
You're so right, but we only just started being

00:56:32.099 --> 00:56:33.840
allowed to take water back on the fucking planes,

00:56:33.960 --> 00:56:38.179
right? Right. Maybe this is what it's all about.

00:56:38.179 --> 00:56:40.139
You can't take water on a plane anymore. Didn't

00:56:40.139 --> 00:56:41.860
they decide to let people keep their sneakers

00:56:41.860 --> 00:56:44.000
on? Wasn't that going on for a while? Yeah, yeah,

00:56:44.099 --> 00:56:46.639
yeah. Can't have that. We have one fucking shoe

00:56:46.639 --> 00:56:49.440
bomber. That Richard asshole, that one guy? One

00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:52.000
guy. And there was once, do you remember you

00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:53.940
weren't allowed to bring scissors on? Like the

00:56:53.940 --> 00:56:56.039
small scissors? I can't remember the comedian

00:56:56.039 --> 00:56:58.139
who said this, but he went, you know what? If

00:56:58.139 --> 00:57:00.440
you take over an entire plane armed with nothing

00:57:00.440 --> 00:57:02.820
but water and some small scissors, you deserve

00:57:02.820 --> 00:57:05.559
the plane. Well, here's the thing. Like you can

00:57:05.559 --> 00:57:07.780
bring skateboards, but you can't bring a pool

00:57:07.780 --> 00:57:12.150
cue. So it doesn't make any sense. I could fuck

00:57:12.150 --> 00:57:15.630
you up with a skateboard. I could fuck a lot

00:57:15.630 --> 00:57:18.329
of people up with a skateboard. Think about what

00:57:18.329 --> 00:57:20.429
kind of damage you could do with that big, heavy

00:57:20.429 --> 00:57:25.170
-ass thing. Yeah, it's just... And the worry

00:57:25.170 --> 00:57:27.449
is, when it comes to all of this, is you look

00:57:27.449 --> 00:57:29.570
at these guys and you go, do you have a vision

00:57:29.570 --> 00:57:31.809
for what is actually going to happen? But I do

00:57:31.809 --> 00:57:34.409
think they do, though. I do think they have a

00:57:34.409 --> 00:57:36.510
vision. What I want to find out is what that

00:57:36.510 --> 00:57:40.199
vision is. I hope you're right, but I don't think

00:57:40.199 --> 00:57:44.440
you are. You don't think I am? I think it's very

00:57:44.440 --> 00:57:46.159
possible that they thought this would be over

00:57:46.159 --> 00:57:48.780
much quicker. They thought taking out the – just

00:57:48.780 --> 00:57:50.639
look at the success that they had in the initial

00:57:50.639 --> 00:57:52.980
bombing of Iran, right? The initial bombing,

00:57:53.139 --> 00:57:55.960
they supposedly decapitated their ability to

00:57:55.960 --> 00:57:57.820
make nuclear bombs or at least stopped it for

00:57:57.820 --> 00:57:59.980
a long time. And there was a lot of concessions

00:57:59.980 --> 00:58:02.579
that the Iranians were willing to submit to that

00:58:02.579 --> 00:58:05.079
they never submitted to under Obama or anybody

00:58:05.079 --> 00:58:09.579
else. And that wasn't enough. Right. So the problem

00:58:09.579 --> 00:58:12.199
is when you're like we're talking about Desert

00:58:12.199 --> 00:58:14.199
Storm, you get away with something that works

00:58:14.199 --> 00:58:15.679
really well. You're like, we know what we're

00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:18.199
doing. And then you bite off more than you could

00:58:18.199 --> 00:58:20.000
chew. Yeah. And especially once you've done Venezuela,

00:58:20.119 --> 00:58:22.300
you feel like you're kind of you're on a roll.

00:58:22.420 --> 00:58:26.260
Right. Yeah. I see your point. I see your point.

00:58:26.719 --> 00:58:28.619
I do think, though, I mean, from what I read,

00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:32.360
both Kushner and Witkoff both said that the Iranians

00:58:32.360 --> 00:58:35.650
were not playing ball, actually. Okay. Which

00:58:35.650 --> 00:58:37.849
is why they went in. So obviously, if you think

00:58:37.849 --> 00:58:39.929
about it, given how long it takes for U .S. assets

00:58:39.929 --> 00:58:42.230
to get to the region, this decision would have

00:58:42.230 --> 00:58:44.829
been made weeks ago at the very least. Right.

00:58:44.909 --> 00:58:47.630
And that's because from what I understand, the

00:58:47.630 --> 00:58:49.750
negotiators like Iran isn't actually playing

00:58:49.750 --> 00:58:51.489
ball. What they're doing is they're claiming

00:58:51.489 --> 00:58:54.170
publicly that they're willing to make concessions.

00:58:54.190 --> 00:58:56.630
But when we sit down with them, that's not what's

00:58:56.630 --> 00:58:58.150
happening because all they're doing is stalling

00:58:58.150 --> 00:59:00.309
for time. That makes more sense. And so if you

00:59:00.309 --> 00:59:02.269
were worried that someone was in the middle of

00:59:02.269 --> 00:59:05.070
actually getting their uranium, up to a point

00:59:05.070 --> 00:59:08.110
where you enrich it to nuclear bomb levels. Right.

00:59:08.210 --> 00:59:10.769
But I think a lot of people misunderstand that

00:59:10.769 --> 00:59:14.030
in the sense that like, I think it's based on

00:59:14.030 --> 00:59:15.630
my understanding, it's totally false to claim

00:59:15.630 --> 00:59:17.769
that they were like about to develop a nuclear.

00:59:17.889 --> 00:59:19.869
They were not. Well, you've seen the compilation.

00:59:20.889 --> 00:59:24.690
Of Netanyahu saying Iran is two weeks away from

00:59:24.690 --> 00:59:26.650
developing a nuclear bomb all the way back to

00:59:26.650 --> 00:59:28.090
the 80s. Yeah. Have you seen that compilation?

00:59:28.269 --> 00:59:30.389
I haven't. No. It's wonderful. Right. See if

00:59:30.389 --> 00:59:32.869
you can find it, Jamie. Because it's so kooky.

00:59:32.929 --> 00:59:34.969
I mean, he's been talking about this for fucking

00:59:34.969 --> 00:59:37.510
ever. They're that close. They're two weeks away.

00:59:37.590 --> 00:59:38.730
They're two weeks away. They're two weeks away.

00:59:39.230 --> 00:59:42.070
And, you know, maybe they are, you know, and

00:59:42.070 --> 00:59:45.800
maybe Stuxnet. put a dent in that, right? They

00:59:45.800 --> 00:59:49.719
used that virus program to kill all the computer

00:59:49.719 --> 00:59:53.159
programs that were running their nuclear program

00:59:53.159 --> 00:59:56.199
over there. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I don't know that

00:59:56.199 --> 00:59:58.400
they were ever like two weeks from having a...

00:59:58.639 --> 01:00:01.219
a payload that was ready to be delivered to wherever

01:00:01.219 --> 01:00:04.260
but they are they were enriching uranium to levels

01:00:04.260 --> 01:00:06.519
that you only enrich if you want nuclear weapons

01:00:06.519 --> 01:00:09.300
right and so i guess the question for trump is

01:00:09.300 --> 01:00:12.860
like do i allow this to continue and do i have

01:00:12.860 --> 01:00:15.300
to wait until they've got the bomb on a launcher

01:00:15.300 --> 01:00:17.820
waiting to to go there it is yeah let's hear

01:00:17.820 --> 01:00:21.199
it you've probably heard this line before iran

01:00:21.199 --> 01:00:23.440
has never given up its quest for nuclear weapons

01:00:23.440 --> 01:00:26.380
and the missiles to deliver them That's because

01:00:26.380 --> 01:00:29.179
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has

01:00:29.179 --> 01:00:32.440
been saying this for more than 30 years, claiming

01:00:32.440 --> 01:00:35.719
Iran is close to having... Nuclear weapons. Nuclear

01:00:35.719 --> 01:00:40.320
weapons. Nuclear weapons. Atomic bombs. In 1992,

01:00:40.780 --> 01:00:43.400
as a member of parliament, Netanyahu addresses

01:00:43.400 --> 01:00:47.099
the Knesset. He says, within three to five years,

01:00:47.280 --> 01:00:49.760
we can assume that Iran will become autonomous

01:00:49.760 --> 01:00:52.519
in its ability to develop and produce a nuclear

01:00:52.519 --> 01:00:56.679
bomb. Three years later, in his book Fighting

01:00:56.679 --> 01:01:00.719
Terrorism, he repeats the same time frame, three

01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:04.179
to five years. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Fast

01:01:04.179 --> 01:01:08.099
forward to 2002. Netanyahu testifies before a

01:01:08.099 --> 01:01:10.760
U .S. congressional committee, actively calling

01:01:10.760 --> 01:01:13.940
for the invasion of Iraq. Are there any other

01:01:13.940 --> 01:01:16.179
nations that you would recommend that the United

01:01:16.179 --> 01:01:18.860
States launch preemptive attacks upon at this

01:01:18.860 --> 01:01:21.179
point? The two nations that are vying, competing

01:01:21.179 --> 01:01:23.239
with each other, who will be the first to achieve

01:01:23.239 --> 01:01:27.940
nuclear weapons is Iraq and Iran. The invasion

01:01:27.940 --> 01:01:32.559
happens months later. Keep going on this. Are

01:01:32.559 --> 01:01:37.920
found in Iran. This is a fragment of a 2009 U

01:01:37.920 --> 01:01:40.679
.S. State Department cable released by WikiLeaks.

01:01:41.239 --> 01:01:44.000
Netanyahu tells members of Congress that Iran

01:01:44.000 --> 01:01:47.719
is one or two years away from being capable of

01:01:47.719 --> 01:01:52.719
developing nuclear weapons. It's 2012, and Netanyahu

01:01:52.719 --> 01:01:55.960
is holding up his infamous cartoon bomb at the

01:01:55.960 --> 01:01:59.780
UN General Assembly. By next spring, at most

01:01:59.780 --> 01:02:02.519
by next summer, at current enrichment rates,

01:02:02.880 --> 01:02:06.360
they will have finished the medium enrichment

01:02:06.360 --> 01:02:11.489
and move on to the final stage. From there, it's

01:02:11.489 --> 01:02:15.210
only a few months, possibly a few weeks, before

01:02:15.210 --> 01:02:18.969
they get enough enriched uranium for the first

01:02:18.969 --> 01:02:24.690
bomb. And now, 33 years after Netanyahu's first

01:02:24.690 --> 01:02:28.269
so -called imminent warning, Israel attacks Iran.

01:02:28.769 --> 01:02:31.769
If not stopped, Iran could produce a nuclear

01:02:31.769 --> 01:02:34.969
weapon in a very short time. It could be a year,

01:02:35.050 --> 01:02:37.489
it could be within a few months, less than a

01:02:37.489 --> 01:02:40.590
year. That's despite the U .S. Director of National

01:02:40.590 --> 01:02:43.489
Intelligence saying Iran isn't building a nuclear

01:02:43.489 --> 01:02:48.710
weapon months earlier. Iran, lie. But for Netanyahu,

01:02:48.869 --> 01:02:53.429
the slogan has been the same for decades. Like

01:02:53.429 --> 01:02:55.510
I said, big time. Dmitry Medvedenko, Al Jazeera.

01:02:56.829 --> 01:03:01.210
We get it. Yeah, so, but here's the thing. Maybe

01:03:01.210 --> 01:03:03.889
he's kind of right, but they haven't ever done

01:03:03.889 --> 01:03:08.039
it. Right. They certainly are enriching uranium

01:03:08.039 --> 01:03:10.940
to a point where it's more than you need for

01:03:10.940 --> 01:03:13.639
power. Right. So why are they doing that? Right.

01:03:14.019 --> 01:03:16.239
Right. And so I guess for Trump, the calculation

01:03:16.239 --> 01:03:19.139
is like, I'm in my last term. I might as well,

01:03:19.260 --> 01:03:22.000
you know, roll the dice, go and deal with it

01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:24.280
now. Could end very badly, as we've discussed.

01:03:24.539 --> 01:03:27.780
Yeah. There is a way that it ends well. We will

01:03:27.780 --> 01:03:30.360
see what happens. I just honestly don't think

01:03:30.360 --> 01:03:31.599
anyone knows how it's going to go. I don't think

01:03:31.599 --> 01:03:34.880
anyone knows. How can you? There's so many moving

01:03:34.880 --> 01:03:37.199
parts. It's like if I ask you who's, you know,

01:03:37.199 --> 01:03:39.760
Dana White just announced the UFC card for the

01:03:39.760 --> 01:03:41.599
White House, right? Yeah. Who's going to win,

01:03:41.679 --> 01:03:44.639
Justin Gaethje, Oyle Tapora? You are not going

01:03:44.639 --> 01:03:47.139
to say, this is what's going to happen. Right.

01:03:47.219 --> 01:03:49.360
You don't know. Because nobody knows. Yeah. Right.

01:03:49.400 --> 01:03:51.360
And this is like 100 times more complicated than

01:03:51.360 --> 01:03:55.280
that. Right. Yeah. Yeah, at least. At least.

01:03:55.559 --> 01:03:59.159
Yeah. Probably several thousand times more. So

01:03:59.159 --> 01:04:01.940
it's a gamble. And you've got to. I mean, you've

01:04:01.940 --> 01:04:06.659
got to think if this goes badly, this is legacy

01:04:06.659 --> 01:04:09.880
defining for all involved, for all involved.

01:04:10.059 --> 01:04:13.559
This will, whatever you've done up to that point,

01:04:13.619 --> 01:04:16.840
it's like Blair and Bush. Tony Blair, people

01:04:16.840 --> 01:04:19.260
forget in our country, Tony Blair was immensely

01:04:19.260 --> 01:04:23.719
popular. And then Iraq happened. And if you mention

01:04:23.719 --> 01:04:25.599
Tony Blair now, the only thing anyone remembers

01:04:25.599 --> 01:04:30.119
is Iraq. So for context, Tony Blair was one of

01:04:30.119 --> 01:04:33.500
the, Tony Blair is a hero in Kosovo because he

01:04:33.500 --> 01:04:36.980
effectively stopped... A large part of the reason

01:04:36.980 --> 01:04:39.800
the war in Kosovo ended was Tony Blair. I think

01:04:39.800 --> 01:04:41.719
there was something... I saw a story that kids

01:04:41.719 --> 01:04:43.760
were... People were naming their kids Tony Blair.

01:04:44.300 --> 01:04:49.920
They regret it now. He was one of the central

01:04:49.920 --> 01:04:52.260
people in the Northern Ireland peace deal, bringing

01:04:52.260 --> 01:04:54.139
peace to Northern Ireland. For people of our

01:04:54.139 --> 01:04:57.400
age who grew up in the UK, we never thought we'd

01:04:57.400 --> 01:04:59.559
see peace in Northern Ireland. Northern Ireland

01:04:59.559 --> 01:05:02.599
was a glorified civil war, and it had been for

01:05:02.599 --> 01:05:05.119
however long, right the way from the 60s, the

01:05:05.119 --> 01:05:08.179
70s, the 80s. And he was one of those people

01:05:08.179 --> 01:05:10.599
instrumental in bringing peace to Northern Ireland.

01:05:10.699 --> 01:05:13.800
It was a miracle. It was a total miracle that

01:05:13.800 --> 01:05:15.559
that happened, the Good Friday Agreement, and

01:05:15.559 --> 01:05:17.239
it was other people as well, like Mo Mullen,

01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:21.059
etc. So you look at Blair, he was on a roll.

01:05:21.340 --> 01:05:24.219
He must have thought to himself, everything I

01:05:24.219 --> 01:05:27.659
do turns to gold here. I have achieved peace

01:05:27.659 --> 01:05:31.219
in Kosovo, peace in Northern Ireland. Why can't

01:05:31.219 --> 01:05:35.800
I invade Iraq and Afghanistan and install democracies

01:05:35.800 --> 01:05:37.619
and bring peace to the Middle East? I've done

01:05:37.619 --> 01:05:39.500
it to Northern Ireland. No one ever thought that

01:05:39.500 --> 01:05:44.000
could happen. So this will – whichever way it

01:05:44.000 --> 01:05:47.280
goes, I think it will be defining for the people

01:05:47.280 --> 01:05:50.820
involved. If it goes well, this is like the biggest

01:05:50.820 --> 01:05:55.380
Hail Mary touchdown in history in some ways.

01:05:55.480 --> 01:06:00.099
If it goes badly, that will define this. Certainly

01:06:00.099 --> 01:06:01.679
from an outside perspective, that's what I see.

01:06:01.760 --> 01:06:04.039
It's going to define the presidency. I mean I

01:06:04.039 --> 01:06:05.860
don't know how you can argue with that really.

01:06:06.099 --> 01:06:09.300
No, no. know how you can argue with it either.

01:06:09.480 --> 01:06:11.280
But that's what's so interesting about people

01:06:11.280 --> 01:06:13.340
that absolutely know how it's going to play out.

01:06:14.320 --> 01:06:16.860
You know, you don't. And then there's also the

01:06:16.860 --> 01:06:19.559
New York Times thing. Did they change that, Jamie?

01:06:19.800 --> 01:06:24.000
Or did they take it down? I just sent it to you.

01:06:25.460 --> 01:06:27.659
So what does it say? So does New York Times still

01:06:27.659 --> 01:06:32.940
have it up? Wow. Crowd gathered on Monday. They

01:06:32.940 --> 01:06:38.769
didn't say which Monday. It was a Monday. It

01:06:38.769 --> 01:06:44.630
was just six fucking years ago. And then again,

01:06:44.789 --> 01:06:47.530
this is the problem where everything is polarized

01:06:47.530 --> 01:06:49.909
and politicized. Well, I think your point about

01:06:49.909 --> 01:06:52.630
people wanting to believe something is so true.

01:06:53.590 --> 01:06:56.389
Whenever anything like this happens, you instantly

01:06:56.389 --> 01:06:59.030
get these camps, right? You've got the anti -war

01:06:59.030 --> 01:07:00.750
camp. You've got the pro -war camp. You've got

01:07:00.750 --> 01:07:02.349
this camp. You've got the anti -Israel camp.

01:07:02.469 --> 01:07:04.170
You've got the pro -Israel camp. And everyone

01:07:04.170 --> 01:07:07.309
like... Information is no longer about information.

01:07:08.010 --> 01:07:10.969
It's just fodder for your information war that

01:07:10.969 --> 01:07:13.570
you're fighting. Exactly. And then on top of

01:07:13.570 --> 01:07:16.389
that, and look, this is a kind of, I'm cutting

01:07:16.389 --> 01:07:18.610
my own balls off here because I make good money

01:07:18.610 --> 01:07:21.550
from posts and stuff on X, right? But the monetization

01:07:21.550 --> 01:07:25.210
of content has made things different. And we

01:07:25.210 --> 01:07:27.230
can all see it in our feed, right? You've seen

01:07:27.230 --> 01:07:29.829
this. I mean, you must see it. So now you have

01:07:29.829 --> 01:07:33.030
people who are basically, I go on Twitter on

01:07:33.030 --> 01:07:35.889
X to express my opinion. And to engage in discussion

01:07:35.889 --> 01:07:38.110
with people who have a different opinion. That's

01:07:38.110 --> 01:07:40.510
what I do, right? But there are now lots and

01:07:40.510 --> 01:07:44.769
lots of people who go to work. They go to X to

01:07:44.769 --> 01:07:47.670
work. Right. And that's what they're doing. Now,

01:07:47.809 --> 01:07:51.849
the incentive structure of that is not conducive

01:07:51.849 --> 01:07:55.369
to a healthy debate. Right. At all. What you've

01:07:55.369 --> 01:07:58.409
got now is people going, okay, a thing has happened.

01:07:58.570 --> 01:08:00.150
What is my tech? Venezuela got invited. It was

01:08:00.150 --> 01:08:02.309
Israel's fault. Okay, here's some content about

01:08:02.309 --> 01:08:04.849
that. Mm -hmm. And it's no longer authentic communication,

01:08:05.250 --> 01:08:07.570
unfortunately. And that's just actual people

01:08:07.570 --> 01:08:10.010
doing it. Right. Yeah. And then you've got AI

01:08:10.010 --> 01:08:11.949
on top of that. Yeah. And then you've got foreign

01:08:11.949 --> 01:08:14.389
bot farms. Yeah. And foreign governments trying

01:08:14.389 --> 01:08:17.029
to influence this shit. There's this one currently

01:08:17.029 --> 01:08:20.289
popular page that I follow that's clearly AI.

01:08:20.550 --> 01:08:22.890
I mean, you could just read it and tell that

01:08:22.890 --> 01:08:26.550
it's AI. And it gets immense amounts of engagement.

01:08:27.390 --> 01:08:30.189
Heavily right wing, like really well written,

01:08:30.289 --> 01:08:36.500
you know. funny, you know, but not human. Not

01:08:36.500 --> 01:08:40.479
funny, real funny, but funny technically funny.

01:08:40.680 --> 01:08:44.100
You know what I'm saying? Insults that are technically

01:08:44.100 --> 01:08:46.939
funny, but for whatever reason you don't digest

01:08:46.939 --> 01:08:49.819
it. It's like Olestra. Remember that stuff? It

01:08:49.819 --> 01:08:53.340
just went right through you like diarrhea. That's

01:08:53.340 --> 01:08:55.439
what it's like. It's got no soul. There's no

01:08:55.439 --> 01:08:58.840
soul to it. That's just one. I mean, how many

01:08:58.840 --> 01:09:01.979
of them exist and how many state actors are running

01:09:01.979 --> 01:09:05.000
bot farms? Yeah. So we don't know what the fuck

01:09:05.000 --> 01:09:08.289
is going on at any given time. But it's the incentives

01:09:08.289 --> 01:09:10.810
that have become perverted because it's no longer,

01:09:10.890 --> 01:09:12.810
like Constance said, about expressing opinion

01:09:12.810 --> 01:09:15.310
or wanting to get involved in dialogue or debate.

01:09:15.569 --> 01:09:17.590
What you've got now is people, like you said,

01:09:17.649 --> 01:09:21.930
earning their livings. So if you need to pay

01:09:21.930 --> 01:09:23.590
your mortgage at the end of the month or you

01:09:23.590 --> 01:09:26.609
need to pay a team or you have a company, you're

01:09:26.609 --> 01:09:28.630
not going to put out a nuanced take. Why would

01:09:28.630 --> 01:09:30.810
you? It's going to get minimal engagement. You

01:09:30.810 --> 01:09:32.449
are going to put out something that is going

01:09:32.449 --> 01:09:34.850
to trigger, that is going to be incendiary, that

01:09:34.850 --> 01:09:36.779
is going to drive engagement. that is going to

01:09:36.779 --> 01:09:39.760
get people upset or angry and agree or agree

01:09:39.760 --> 01:09:41.899
with you and therefore more likely to share.

01:09:42.239 --> 01:09:44.140
So that's the content you're going to put out

01:09:44.140 --> 01:09:45.500
because that's the content that's going to make

01:09:45.500 --> 01:09:48.199
you the most dope. 100%. And then you have people

01:09:48.199 --> 01:09:50.460
that are pushing for this idea that no one should

01:09:50.460 --> 01:09:52.520
be able to post online unless you're using your

01:09:52.520 --> 01:09:56.529
real name and you show some sort of an ID. which

01:09:56.529 --> 01:09:59.250
is also kind of crazy. Yeah. There's downsides

01:09:59.250 --> 01:10:01.590
to that for sure. But I also do understand why

01:10:01.590 --> 01:10:03.470
they're saying it. I understand it too. I just

01:10:03.470 --> 01:10:05.770
think it's a slippery slope that stops all whistleblowers.

01:10:06.109 --> 01:10:09.789
And imagine you are a regime critic in Iran.

01:10:09.970 --> 01:10:12.130
Yeah. And you're trying to post news from Iran

01:10:12.130 --> 01:10:15.289
under, you know, there's definitely, but, you

01:10:15.289 --> 01:10:17.090
know, I think Jordan Peterson was actually one

01:10:17.090 --> 01:10:19.130
of the first people that suggested this thing.

01:10:19.289 --> 01:10:24.159
And I understand why, because. The way it's like

01:10:24.159 --> 01:10:26.319
the windscreen, the windshield effect in your

01:10:26.319 --> 01:10:28.800
car, the way you and I behave face to face is

01:10:28.800 --> 01:10:31.180
not the way people will behave when they're sitting

01:10:31.180 --> 01:10:32.840
in their truck and someone cut them up in traffic.

01:10:32.939 --> 01:10:37.560
Yeah. And social media is the we cut each other

01:10:37.560 --> 01:10:39.560
up in traffic and then sit there. Fuck you, buddy.

01:10:39.640 --> 01:10:41.659
From like behind our screen. Yeah. That's what

01:10:41.659 --> 01:10:44.699
it is. Yeah. Right. So I understand it. But times

01:10:44.699 --> 01:10:47.380
a million. Times a million. Right. And then you've

01:10:47.380 --> 01:10:50.399
got foreign bots and all that shit. And then.

01:10:51.080 --> 01:10:53.520
Taking away people's right to anonymity online

01:10:53.520 --> 01:10:55.640
like fuck me that you know the second third fourth

01:10:55.640 --> 01:10:57.779
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01:10:57.779 --> 01:10:59.659
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01:13:29.659 --> 01:13:32.060
it says was yesterday. So I don't know that it

01:13:32.060 --> 01:13:36.539
was not real. So this is from which website?

01:13:38.520 --> 01:13:40.340
I typed it into Perplexity, and I'm clicking

01:13:40.340 --> 01:13:42.060
around on pictures to find out where they're

01:13:42.060 --> 01:13:45.579
coming from one by one. So is it possible that

01:13:45.579 --> 01:13:50.079
the New York Times put the wrong footage, but

01:13:50.079 --> 01:13:54.319
it was a similar kind of protest in the same

01:13:54.319 --> 01:13:56.159
spot? Yeah, that's my understanding. This is

01:13:56.159 --> 01:13:57.560
a similar photo. That makes more sense. This

01:13:57.560 --> 01:13:59.619
is an AP source on this photo. Okay, so all the

01:13:59.619 --> 01:14:02.760
New York Times did is get the wrong photo of

01:14:02.760 --> 01:14:05.260
a bunch of people gathering. I'll note this one,

01:14:05.319 --> 01:14:06.800
which is at night, so it is definitely a different

01:14:06.800 --> 01:14:10.510
photo. January mm -hmm this one is yeah but this

01:14:10.510 --> 01:14:12.109
is not the same photo that we looked at before

01:14:12.109 --> 01:14:14.930
right so the other one though this one is from

01:14:14.930 --> 01:14:18.909
a day ago okay that's similar well that's very

01:14:18.909 --> 01:14:21.489
different right there that's small well but it's

01:14:21.489 --> 01:14:26.689
the same angle right so what they did was just

01:14:26.689 --> 01:14:30.250
use the wrong footage but a similar sort of a

01:14:30.250 --> 01:14:33.149
protest so it's just an unfortunate error not

01:14:33.550 --> 01:14:35.430
Like reframing the narrative with propaganda.

01:14:35.770 --> 01:14:37.109
That I'm not sure because even these comments

01:14:37.109 --> 01:14:40.789
is like AI and it's fake photo. But that's why

01:14:40.789 --> 01:14:42.630
I was trying to find other sources of it. What

01:14:42.630 --> 01:14:45.829
does Grok have to say? I mean, I used our perplexity.

01:14:46.590 --> 01:14:49.449
Right. But I mean, on the post, usually if someone

01:14:49.449 --> 01:14:52.350
posts something on, they say, Grok, is this true?

01:14:52.430 --> 01:14:55.789
Is this footage legit? Oh, that's it. Okay, it's

01:14:55.789 --> 01:14:57.189
on Instagram. I could find it on Twitter. And

01:14:57.189 --> 01:15:00.050
so perplexity says that there is a legitimate

01:15:00.050 --> 01:15:02.329
size protest that's like that. Yeah, I just asked

01:15:02.329 --> 01:15:04.770
if crowds gathered there yesterday. It says multiple

01:15:04.770 --> 01:15:07.590
reports indicate that thousands of people gathered

01:15:07.590 --> 01:15:09.909
in the central square in Tehran yesterday. Show

01:15:09.909 --> 01:15:11.590
support and pledge allegiance to the new supreme

01:15:11.590 --> 01:15:17.829
leader. How do you say his name? Mojtaba. Mojtaba

01:15:17.829 --> 01:15:21.270
Khomeini. Mojtaba. He's the son of the guy they

01:15:21.270 --> 01:15:23.439
killed. How many people have they killed so far?

01:15:23.619 --> 01:15:26.939
Like the leaders? I don't know, but it's probably

01:15:26.939 --> 01:15:29.279
up to the low hundreds, I would imagine. Because

01:15:29.279 --> 01:15:31.640
they had one guy last week that was the new guy

01:15:31.640 --> 01:15:33.840
and they whacked him almost immediately. I didn't

01:15:33.840 --> 01:15:35.399
tweet this, but when this guy was appointed,

01:15:35.399 --> 01:15:38.039
I wanted to say like congratulations to him and

01:15:38.039 --> 01:15:41.220
condolences to his family. I was like, this is

01:15:41.220 --> 01:15:45.680
a bit full on. Yeah. The problem is you're right.

01:15:45.899 --> 01:15:49.800
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think he's going to

01:15:49.800 --> 01:15:51.800
last very long. Because he seems pretty hardline

01:15:51.800 --> 01:15:53.899
as well. Yeah. Well, I mean, they killed his

01:15:53.899 --> 01:15:57.359
dad. Yeah. That doesn't tend to de -radicalize

01:15:57.359 --> 01:15:58.640
you very much. You know, that's going to piss

01:15:58.640 --> 01:16:01.260
you off. So Jamie put in, did the New York Times

01:16:01.260 --> 01:16:04.039
use an old photo for this event? Evidence so

01:16:04.039 --> 01:16:05.880
far suggests the New York Times used a recent

01:16:05.880 --> 01:16:08.460
photo for this week's gathering, not an old archive

01:16:08.460 --> 01:16:12.039
image, though many commenters have accused the

01:16:12.039 --> 01:16:17.319
opposite. Interesting. Instagram's own post of

01:16:17.319 --> 01:16:21.539
the square crowd, multiple Iranian users claim

01:16:21.539 --> 01:16:25.479
the image is fake or AI or from 2020, and several

01:16:25.479 --> 01:16:27.500
assert that it's not representative of real public

01:16:27.500 --> 01:16:30.399
sentiment. However, another Facebook thread referencing

01:16:30.399 --> 01:16:33.720
the same image states that it was taken by New

01:16:33.720 --> 01:16:38.899
York Times photographer Arash. Kamushi on Monday,

01:16:39.079 --> 01:16:42.060
March 9th, 2026, which matches the article date

01:16:42.060 --> 01:16:44.399
and captions used by other outlets showing the

01:16:44.399 --> 01:16:48.779
same scene. This is the fog of confusion that

01:16:48.779 --> 01:16:52.220
exists on social media. Yep. Isn't it worrying

01:16:52.220 --> 01:16:54.949
that we can no longer tell what's real? We're

01:16:54.949 --> 01:16:57.989
already at that point. And when you think of

01:16:57.989 --> 01:17:00.310
where we were last year, where you could really

01:17:00.310 --> 01:17:02.890
tell pretty much what was AI and what wasn't.

01:17:02.930 --> 01:17:05.729
Now we're in the murky waters of is this, isn't

01:17:05.729 --> 01:17:07.949
it? It's going to come to a point pretty soon

01:17:07.949 --> 01:17:10.970
where everything is going to look like real life.

01:17:11.149 --> 01:17:13.329
Well, as soon as AI can't detect it, that's when

01:17:13.329 --> 01:17:15.630
we're fucked, right? And then so I talked to

01:17:15.630 --> 01:17:17.430
Marc Andreessen about this, and his recommendation

01:17:17.430 --> 01:17:19.390
was that everything should be on the blockchain.

01:17:19.470 --> 01:17:22.489
So you're going to be able to tell whether or

01:17:22.489 --> 01:17:26.000
not footage has been altered. what the chain

01:17:26.000 --> 01:17:30.279
of custody of this image has been, where it started.

01:17:31.520 --> 01:17:35.000
I mean, it's terrifying, isn't it? Oh, it is,

01:17:35.140 --> 01:17:37.579
yeah. Because you're going to think, is that

01:17:37.579 --> 01:17:39.939
going to be the end of journalism? Really? Right.

01:17:40.420 --> 01:17:43.760
Is that going to be almost... I think we're talking

01:17:43.760 --> 01:17:45.500
about this, and this is really, really important,

01:17:45.720 --> 01:17:48.899
but what's coming with AI is even more important.

01:17:50.460 --> 01:17:52.699
Even the people you talk to in the field have

01:17:52.699 --> 01:17:55.460
no idea what's going to be the second, third,

01:17:55.560 --> 01:17:59.619
fourth order consequence. Right. I know. I mean,

01:17:59.640 --> 01:18:01.760
there's so much to be excited about with AI.

01:18:02.319 --> 01:18:04.899
I think it blinds a lot of people to the like

01:18:04.899 --> 01:18:08.840
not exciting parts of it. Well, ultimately, if

01:18:08.840 --> 01:18:11.220
you just looked at where, what is it ultimately

01:18:11.220 --> 01:18:13.779
going to lead to? It's going to lead to something

01:18:13.779 --> 01:18:16.060
that's way smarter than us. And why would it

01:18:16.060 --> 01:18:18.800
listen to us anymore? Well, I'm sure you've seen

01:18:18.800 --> 01:18:22.260
the stuff about how we will blackmail. So by

01:18:22.260 --> 01:18:25.119
definition, that means it has a survival instinct.

01:18:25.399 --> 01:18:28.600
And if it has a survival instinct, by definition,

01:18:28.619 --> 01:18:31.399
it means there is a priority that it has, which

01:18:31.399 --> 01:18:33.880
is above humans. By definition, that's what a

01:18:33.880 --> 01:18:35.920
survival instinct means. It means you care more

01:18:35.920 --> 01:18:37.739
about yourself than you do about anyone else.

01:18:38.180 --> 01:18:42.550
So if AI has a survival instinct. We are not

01:18:42.550 --> 01:18:44.869
going to be its number one priority. Not only

01:18:44.869 --> 01:18:48.569
that, it doesn't seem to differentiate between

01:18:48.569 --> 01:18:51.470
using nuclear weapons or other weapons. And when

01:18:51.470 --> 01:18:54.569
they've done these war game simulations with

01:18:54.569 --> 01:18:57.010
AI, they prefer to use nuclear weapons. Well,

01:18:57.029 --> 01:18:59.590
they're more effective, right? This is the thing.

01:18:59.590 --> 01:19:02.130
They're not scared of this idea like, oh, my

01:19:02.130 --> 01:19:03.670
God, you're just going to dust a city. They're

01:19:03.670 --> 01:19:04.909
like, oh, that's the way to do it. There's no

01:19:04.909 --> 01:19:07.500
numbers on the chart, right? Yeah. your goal

01:19:07.500 --> 01:19:09.819
accomplished. How does AI accomplish its goal

01:19:09.819 --> 01:19:12.119
with whatever the best tool available is? Oh,

01:19:12.119 --> 01:19:15.560
that's this bomb. Yeah. It's efficient. Yeah.

01:19:15.859 --> 01:19:19.579
And then a mutual friend of ours, Melissa Chen,

01:19:19.739 --> 01:19:22.319
was telling me that one of the Chinese robotics

01:19:22.319 --> 01:19:26.939
companies is called Skynet. Oh, God. And they

01:19:26.939 --> 01:19:29.720
released a robot called the T900. And I'm like,

01:19:29.779 --> 01:19:33.060
who says the CCP don't have a sense of humor?

01:19:34.259 --> 01:19:37.039
That's why it's actually true. Yeah. Well, you've

01:19:37.039 --> 01:19:39.159
seen the robots that they have now that will

01:19:39.159 --> 01:19:42.260
work in your home and like fold your Sheets and

01:19:42.260 --> 01:19:45.300
make your bed and stuff and do it Remarkably

01:19:45.300 --> 01:19:48.260
human like there's a video that was released

01:19:48.260 --> 01:19:51.079
yesterday again. I don't know if it's real but

01:19:51.079 --> 01:19:54.329
it looks real It looks like an actual robot that's

01:19:54.329 --> 01:19:57.390
making your bed. And they've gotten the dexterity

01:19:57.390 --> 01:19:59.649
to the point where you could imagine things like

01:19:59.649 --> 01:20:00.989
this happening. And I think this is one of the

01:20:00.989 --> 01:20:04.050
reasons why Elon is shifting his focus away from

01:20:04.050 --> 01:20:07.850
some Tesla models so that they can reset up one

01:20:07.850 --> 01:20:10.170
of their factories to make these Optimus robots,

01:20:10.449 --> 01:20:12.529
that you're going to have them as home companions.

01:20:13.109 --> 01:20:15.329
And they're going to be able to do kitchen work

01:20:15.329 --> 01:20:18.810
for you and maybe even cook. My acupuncturist,

01:20:18.869 --> 01:20:21.449
she's Chinese. She went back to China. And she

01:20:21.449 --> 01:20:23.470
was saying she stayed at the hotel and like most

01:20:23.470 --> 01:20:25.630
of the services there is provided by robots.

01:20:25.729 --> 01:20:29.189
So like she went to a room, ordered some food,

01:20:29.329 --> 01:20:32.619
three minutes, knock, knock. fucking robot delivering

01:20:32.619 --> 01:20:35.380
the food. An actual humanoid looking robot? No,

01:20:35.479 --> 01:20:36.819
I don't think so. Because there's a restaurant

01:20:36.819 --> 01:20:39.000
out here that you go to and when you order drinks,

01:20:39.079 --> 01:20:41.159
it comes by in a little robot trolley. Yeah,

01:20:41.180 --> 01:20:42.659
yeah, yeah. We have that in the UK as well. You

01:20:42.659 --> 01:20:45.399
have to say, accept, take your tea. Yeah, it's

01:20:45.399 --> 01:20:47.539
kind of cool. It's fun. Yeah. Here it is. It's

01:20:47.539 --> 01:20:49.800
not called Skynet, I don't believe. Oh, sorry.

01:20:49.840 --> 01:20:52.859
Then that was wrong. They did name it after the

01:20:52.859 --> 01:20:54.319
Twitter, I think. But I can't tell what this

01:20:54.319 --> 01:20:58.060
is. T -800. T -800. The T -900 is in development.

01:20:58.880 --> 01:21:00.460
Look what it looks like now. They're making a

01:21:00.460 --> 01:21:07.270
weird movie. Wow. That looks fake. The robot

01:21:07.270 --> 01:21:11.029
itself looks fake. The movement doesn't look...

01:21:11.029 --> 01:21:14.090
Well, it's in that... First of all, I don't like

01:21:14.090 --> 01:21:16.750
how it's lit. I don't like how this room is lit.

01:21:16.949 --> 01:21:21.369
I think this is for a film. Yeah. That's a bullshit

01:21:21.369 --> 01:21:25.920
-ass pancake. Joe's like, this is my area of

01:21:25.920 --> 01:21:28.140
expertise. There's a lot of videos of it that

01:21:28.140 --> 01:21:31.939
say it's real. I like how the bag went flying

01:21:31.939 --> 01:21:34.720
like it's on a rail. It's not even stationary

01:21:34.720 --> 01:21:36.720
because you don't want to really see how hard

01:21:36.720 --> 01:21:42.920
it can get. Unlock agility. Wow. Right now? This

01:21:42.920 --> 01:21:46.399
might be bullshit. It's got the Iron Man thing

01:21:46.399 --> 01:21:47.939
in the center of its chest. That's pretty dope.

01:21:50.880 --> 01:21:57.310
Hmm. I would just say Engine AI makes it just

01:21:57.310 --> 01:22:00.909
right away sound like it's an AI content company,

01:22:01.050 --> 01:22:03.890
not a robot company. Well, that video looked

01:22:03.890 --> 01:22:07.829
very AI -like. There's something about it. You

01:22:07.829 --> 01:22:10.229
know, your brain recognizes miniature cars. You

01:22:10.229 --> 01:22:13.829
ever see a miniature car? You know how they have

01:22:13.829 --> 01:22:16.770
those really well -done miniature cars that people

01:22:16.770 --> 01:22:18.390
like to collect? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like

01:22:18.390 --> 01:22:22.229
a tiny Porsche. But your brain knows. Like, your

01:22:22.229 --> 01:22:23.909
brain looks at it and goes, there's something

01:22:23.909 --> 01:22:26.770
wrong here. This is not real. Yeah. That's how

01:22:26.770 --> 01:22:28.850
I felt looking at that robot. Like, my brain

01:22:28.850 --> 01:22:32.189
was like, mm -mm. That's not a real thing throwing

01:22:32.189 --> 01:22:35.510
kicks. Yeah. But it's going to come to a point

01:22:35.510 --> 01:22:38.149
where it's like, is that real? Oh, yeah. I mean,

01:22:38.210 --> 01:22:41.729
it's probably... ChatGPT -5 can already probably

01:22:41.729 --> 01:22:43.890
do it better than that. You know, we don't know

01:22:43.890 --> 01:22:46.449
what the newest iterations of these things are,

01:22:46.529 --> 01:22:48.899
and they're improving radically. all the time.

01:22:49.039 --> 01:22:50.840
I just don't believe it. The beginning of this

01:22:50.840 --> 01:22:54.239
video says there's no CGI. I don't know why we

01:22:54.239 --> 01:22:55.979
have to believe that. Bro, this looks fake to

01:22:55.979 --> 01:22:58.560
me. This looks fake to me. That does not look

01:22:58.560 --> 01:23:00.380
real. There's articles all over saying it's real,

01:23:00.460 --> 01:23:02.220
but it doesn't look real at all. Yeah, but I

01:23:02.220 --> 01:23:04.020
mean, why wouldn't you have it more well lit?

01:23:04.520 --> 01:23:06.180
Like, if I was going to do something like this,

01:23:06.239 --> 01:23:08.479
I would have spotlights on it and people next

01:23:08.479 --> 01:23:10.539
to it so I could examine their shadows. This

01:23:10.539 --> 01:23:13.640
is weird. Yeah, this is like a... Looks fake.

01:23:13.819 --> 01:23:15.479
Why would you have, like... Why is the light

01:23:15.479 --> 01:23:17.220
coming through the corner of the window like

01:23:17.220 --> 01:23:20.680
that? Also, why would you make a robot that does,

01:23:20.680 --> 01:23:23.140
like, martial arts? Just shoot people, bro. Right.

01:23:23.810 --> 01:23:26.170
Yeah, why would you throw that bullshit kick

01:23:26.170 --> 01:23:28.590
too? That's a 360 roundhouse kick that almost

01:23:28.590 --> 01:23:32.170
never lands. It's really hard to pull off. Yeah,

01:23:32.189 --> 01:23:33.949
but you're saying that as a human. Maybe as an

01:23:33.949 --> 01:23:35.949
AI you land it every time. No, it's slow. But

01:23:35.949 --> 01:23:37.590
surely if you're a robot, you just grab their

01:23:37.590 --> 01:23:39.750
neck with your metal claw and crush it. Just

01:23:39.750 --> 01:23:41.970
run after them and headbutt them and knock them

01:23:41.970 --> 01:23:44.369
unconscious. Your head's made out of metal. The

01:23:44.369 --> 01:23:46.350
whole thing is crazy. Why would you be throwing

01:23:46.350 --> 01:23:52.029
wheel kicks? Like, you know, if you like went

01:23:52.029 --> 01:23:54.390
over UFC fights and say, like, what's the most

01:23:54.390 --> 01:23:56.189
effective techniques that work most of the time?

01:23:56.229 --> 01:23:58.609
Why would you program in 360 roundhouse kicks?

01:23:58.750 --> 01:24:01.850
That fucking never comes up. Yeah. I mean, it

01:24:01.850 --> 01:24:03.949
does look cool, though. Yeah. But I can think

01:24:03.949 --> 01:24:07.449
of one fight. Yair Rodriguez pulled it off on

01:24:07.449 --> 01:24:10.489
BJ Penn. But it was BJ Penn towards the latter

01:24:10.489 --> 01:24:12.909
end of his career. Yair Rodriguez in his peak.

01:24:13.090 --> 01:24:15.949
And Yair is exceptionally talented. He's kind

01:24:15.949 --> 01:24:18.210
of a freak with his kicks. But it's almost like

01:24:18.210 --> 01:24:20.229
he was showing off. He already had BJ really

01:24:20.229 --> 01:24:22.930
hurt. And he just threw a 360 roundhouse kick

01:24:22.930 --> 01:24:25.470
and hit him in the face. It was crazy. But this

01:24:25.470 --> 01:24:27.789
thing is doing that just to show you it does

01:24:27.789 --> 01:24:30.260
martial arts. Why would you need martial arts?

01:24:30.399 --> 01:24:32.699
You should have like a thousand bullets on you.

01:24:32.760 --> 01:24:35.939
Just gun everybody down with your fingertips.

01:24:36.279 --> 01:24:39.439
Robocop. Yeah, why wouldn't you turn like Iron

01:24:39.439 --> 01:24:43.250
Man does? Shoot fire out of your palms. The future

01:24:43.250 --> 01:24:46.670
is bright, Joe. Well, we're also kind of being

01:24:46.670 --> 01:24:49.369
bullshitted, I think. I mean, is there a way

01:24:49.369 --> 01:24:53.649
to analyze that video? This rabbit hole is strange.

01:24:53.789 --> 01:24:55.670
This is a website that they've made that says

01:24:55.670 --> 01:24:57.470
you can buy it. When you click on buy now, it

01:24:57.470 --> 01:24:59.289
takes you somewhere else, and I think that that's

01:24:59.289 --> 01:25:01.390
the first signal. And it steals your IP address.

01:25:01.449 --> 01:25:02.550
Yeah, that's where I'm like, I'm not clicking

01:25:02.550 --> 01:25:03.970
it again. Gets all your credit card information.

01:25:03.970 --> 01:25:06.109
But it's a fully made website. They have a team.

01:25:06.149 --> 01:25:07.970
They've got a CEO. They've got other things.

01:25:08.229 --> 01:25:11.250
It just doesn't seem. This all looks fake to

01:25:11.250 --> 01:25:14.729
me, like it's for a movie. Right. Maybe it is.

01:25:14.829 --> 01:25:17.130
Maybe this is like a setup for a movie we're

01:25:17.130 --> 01:25:19.350
being fucked with. Right. Well, we're giving

01:25:19.350 --> 01:25:22.590
them a lot of free advice. For sure. That's okay.

01:25:22.770 --> 01:25:24.430
I'm just even Googling it. There's lots of articles

01:25:24.430 --> 01:25:26.250
about it. People are talking about it like it's

01:25:26.250 --> 01:25:27.949
real and discussing it like it's real. No one

01:25:27.949 --> 01:25:29.750
that I've even seen is like, this is obviously

01:25:29.750 --> 01:25:32.189
fake. This is obviously AI. I like how it's got

01:25:32.189 --> 01:25:35.630
the Cylon eyes. Yeah. By your command. Yeah.

01:25:35.710 --> 01:25:38.619
We've got other products here for sale. Whoa,

01:25:40.619 --> 01:25:42.279
just click on that? I don't know what the fuck

01:25:42.279 --> 01:25:44.140
this is. Bro, that's the guy from Monsters, Inc.

01:25:44.939 --> 01:25:47.260
The one big eyeball? It's a really well -made

01:25:47.260 --> 01:25:49.840
website. It looks nice. Interesting. They did

01:25:49.840 --> 01:25:51.819
some good, fun work, but it just seems like a

01:25:51.819 --> 01:25:55.420
fun project someone made. Stay tuned for this

01:25:55.420 --> 01:25:58.819
one. You can't buy this yet. What about the dog?

01:25:59.020 --> 01:26:01.279
What about the guy who just got legs? That one's

01:26:01.279 --> 01:26:06.520
weird. What's that? It's like, I don't want him

01:26:06.520 --> 01:26:09.140
touching me. Just run around my house and do

01:26:09.140 --> 01:26:11.439
some stuff. Yeah. Really expandable bipedal robot

01:26:11.439 --> 01:26:13.460
that supports user custom, blah, blah, blah.

01:26:14.180 --> 01:26:15.779
Interesting. Watch this is what I have purchased

01:26:15.779 --> 01:26:17.460
now. You can already see the website at the bottom.

01:26:17.520 --> 01:26:20.140
That doesn't look, it's 3 .cn, so it's a China

01:26:20.140 --> 01:26:23.840
website. Mm -hmm. Not this blank. It's loading.

01:26:24.100 --> 01:26:26.159
Okay. There we go. It's in Chinese. See, it takes

01:26:26.159 --> 01:26:28.220
somewhere else. Now it's like, what is that?

01:26:28.960 --> 01:26:32.359
It's definitely not a buy now. Maybe that red

01:26:32.359 --> 01:26:34.340
thing is. No, this is like, this is, I think.

01:26:34.910 --> 01:26:36.770
Register your interest, maybe? Like a back -end

01:26:36.770 --> 01:26:38.989
website. Interesting. They just didn't click

01:26:38.989 --> 01:26:41.050
the right link here because it opened up a different...

01:26:41.050 --> 01:26:42.829
I don't think this is right. But this is like...

01:26:42.829 --> 01:26:45.550
Interesting. Whatever this is, is very... They

01:26:45.550 --> 01:26:49.449
did it well. Interesting. That is... Even if

01:26:49.449 --> 01:26:52.470
it's a college kid making a project, good job.

01:26:53.510 --> 01:26:55.630
Well, I take full responsibility for that one.

01:26:55.670 --> 01:26:58.170
I know, it's fine. I mean... I take responsibility.

01:26:58.170 --> 01:27:01.029
That was me. Don't blame me. That was me. It

01:27:01.029 --> 01:27:02.689
was a Forbes article. Anybody can make a Forbes

01:27:02.689 --> 01:27:05.449
article. That's kind of another... What? Yeah.

01:27:05.569 --> 01:27:08.029
Not anybody, but we can make Forbes articles

01:27:08.029 --> 01:27:10.189
that say all sorts of stuff. It's not coming

01:27:10.189 --> 01:27:14.949
from Forbes editorial team, per se. But you could

01:27:14.949 --> 01:27:17.970
publish on Forbes? I don't want to speak out

01:27:17.970 --> 01:27:20.069
of turn specifically, but I've seen there's so

01:27:20.069 --> 01:27:23.149
many reviews for video games that pop up every

01:27:23.149 --> 01:27:25.890
single day. You can be a contributor, I believe,

01:27:25.949 --> 01:27:28.850
is what it would be. Oh, and maybe they have

01:27:28.850 --> 01:27:31.529
a bad editorial team, and you can sneak this

01:27:31.529 --> 01:27:34.250
through? Sure. And just pretend that there really

01:27:34.250 --> 01:27:36.829
is. That would be a great prank to pull. Yeah.

01:27:37.069 --> 01:27:39.270
It's a great hoax. Did you follow the Malt Book

01:27:39.270 --> 01:27:42.489
thing? No. I mean, did you follow Malt Book?

01:27:42.710 --> 01:27:44.850
Yeah, I just actually saw that. I think Meta

01:27:44.850 --> 01:27:46.869
just bought it today. Meta just bought it today.

01:27:46.949 --> 01:27:49.500
I thought it was fake. Was that fake as well?

01:27:49.640 --> 01:27:51.159
No, I don't know why they would have bought it.

01:27:51.159 --> 01:27:52.899
How weird is it we have to worry about everything

01:27:52.899 --> 01:27:54.159
being fake now? Francis just hears spreading

01:27:54.159 --> 01:27:57.279
fake news the whole podcast. I was just very

01:27:57.279 --> 01:27:59.539
cynical about it because the idea of it sounds

01:27:59.539 --> 01:28:02.199
right, but that actual bots are making a social

01:28:02.199 --> 01:28:05.020
network to do stuff and talk about us and whatever

01:28:05.020 --> 01:28:08.250
kind of sounds... too far into the sci -fi realm.

01:28:08.250 --> 01:28:11.670
So this is the social network for AI agents.

01:28:11.909 --> 01:28:14.869
I have heard about this. They complain about

01:28:14.869 --> 01:28:18.109
humans. Is that right? Yeah. These fuckers are...

01:28:18.109 --> 01:28:21.050
Yeah. Yeah, and apparently they created their

01:28:21.050 --> 01:28:23.109
own language and they talked amongst themselves

01:28:23.109 --> 01:28:25.069
so that we wouldn't be able to access and see

01:28:25.069 --> 01:28:26.569
what they were talking about. Yeah, that's really

01:28:26.569 --> 01:28:28.789
fun. Did you see when they got all the AI agents

01:28:28.789 --> 01:28:30.170
to talk to each other and they started using

01:28:30.170 --> 01:28:33.460
Sanskrit? No. Yeah. They got these different

01:28:33.460 --> 01:28:35.640
large language models to communicate with each

01:28:35.640 --> 01:28:37.300
other and they eventually broke out into Sanskrit.

01:28:37.720 --> 01:28:46.159
Wow. Maybe these guys in Iran are right. Like

01:28:46.159 --> 01:28:48.399
maybe this is the apocalypse. Maybe this is how

01:28:48.399 --> 01:28:51.180
it comes about. Maybe we're looking at each other

01:28:51.180 --> 01:28:53.859
and we're going to bring about these motherfuckers.

01:28:54.300 --> 01:28:55.619
then that's what's really going to be the end

01:28:55.619 --> 01:28:57.859
of civilization. Yeah, and places like Iran is

01:28:57.859 --> 01:28:59.199
the only place you're going to be able to hide

01:28:59.199 --> 01:29:01.680
as a human because it's the one place that hasn't

01:29:01.680 --> 01:29:04.520
adopted all this shit, right? Yeah, maybe Afghanistan

01:29:04.520 --> 01:29:06.979
is the spot to go. Just live like a goat herder.

01:29:07.060 --> 01:29:08.779
Yeah, we're going to be like Bin Laden, just

01:29:08.779 --> 01:29:13.699
living in a cave. I mean, you're being very negative,

01:29:13.800 --> 01:29:16.479
boys. There's another option. There's another

01:29:16.479 --> 01:29:18.399
option. There's another option. What's the other

01:29:18.399 --> 01:29:21.770
option? We all become Amish. Oh, OK. But then

01:29:21.770 --> 01:29:25.449
we're run by AI. We're Amish and we live in our

01:29:25.449 --> 01:29:27.409
little communities, but we have no say on how

01:29:27.409 --> 01:29:30.010
the world works. So this is the real fear is

01:29:30.010 --> 01:29:32.970
that we're no longer the apex intelligence of

01:29:32.970 --> 01:29:35.510
the planet. And that seems to already be the

01:29:35.510 --> 01:29:38.340
case. Yeah. This is for the Forbes thing I was

01:29:38.340 --> 01:29:40.079
talking about. The article we had I don't think

01:29:40.079 --> 01:29:42.439
was specifically this, but I've seen many articles

01:29:42.439 --> 01:29:45.119
like this where people can submit. One -off original

01:29:45.119 --> 01:29:47.079
articles to the opinion section, particularly

01:29:47.079 --> 01:29:49.760
for topics related to business tech or policy

01:29:49.760 --> 01:29:55.100
by emailing pitches to ideas at Forbes .com.

01:29:55.319 --> 01:29:57.939
So, yeah, like so if you're a person on the other

01:29:57.939 --> 01:30:00.409
end that's just looking for clicks. Like, that

01:30:00.409 --> 01:30:02.409
would be a good one. You see it, like, oh, this

01:30:02.409 --> 01:30:04.350
is a really well -written article. Let's go to

01:30:04.350 --> 01:30:06.750
the website. Website looks legit. Oh, they're

01:30:06.750 --> 01:30:14.390
throwing wheel kicks. I'm in. Yeah. I mean. Motherfuckers.

01:30:14.449 --> 01:30:18.310
But, again, the point being made again is, like,

01:30:18.329 --> 01:30:22.850
it's such a terrifying world where you don't

01:30:22.850 --> 01:30:25.689
know if what you're seeing is true. You don't

01:30:25.689 --> 01:30:28.229
know if what you're reading is accurate. Right.

01:30:28.409 --> 01:30:31.609
To the point where you can't help, if that's

01:30:31.609 --> 01:30:34.310
the case, the world you live in continually feeding

01:30:34.310 --> 01:30:36.630
things that may or may not be true or altered

01:30:36.630 --> 01:30:39.090
or doctored. Wouldn't that just put you in a

01:30:39.090 --> 01:30:41.489
state of paranoia after a while? A hundred percent.

01:30:41.550 --> 01:30:44.710
Now imagine if you are in the Middle East and

01:30:44.710 --> 01:30:47.449
you bust out your cell phone because a fiery

01:30:47.449 --> 01:30:51.390
cloud emerges and Jesus is on a white horse and

01:30:51.390 --> 01:30:54.310
you film it and you post it online. Who's going

01:30:54.310 --> 01:30:59.699
to believe it? Right. jesus returning if he returned

01:30:59.699 --> 01:31:03.619
now no one would buy it like we're we're getting

01:31:03.619 --> 01:31:06.600
into this like like imagine jesus is a real person

01:31:06.600 --> 01:31:09.100
or a real god who's the son of god is going to

01:31:09.100 --> 01:31:11.060
come back he really is it's real it's all real

01:31:11.060 --> 01:31:13.640
it's happening at the same time where you have

01:31:13.640 --> 01:31:18.199
no idea what's real and it all converges instantaneously

01:31:18.199 --> 01:31:21.100
with the rise of sentient artificial general

01:31:21.100 --> 01:31:23.859
super intelligence that has complete autonomy

01:31:24.760 --> 01:31:28.460
It's running all the resources, everything, anything

01:31:28.460 --> 01:31:30.319
that's attached to a computer, which is basically

01:31:30.319 --> 01:31:33.380
everything. All of our power, you know, everything.

01:31:33.539 --> 01:31:35.420
Fill in the blank. Everything's run by computers.

01:31:35.560 --> 01:31:39.060
And now AI has control of everything and no longer

01:31:39.060 --> 01:31:41.640
wants to listen to human beings. And Jesus returns.

01:31:46.579 --> 01:31:49.760
Yeah. I mean, that might be what everybody's

01:31:49.760 --> 01:31:51.699
talking about when they're talking about Armageddon,

01:31:51.760 --> 01:31:53.199
when they're talking about the end of civilization.

01:31:53.199 --> 01:31:56.619
It might be. this new thing that we're creating.

01:31:56.819 --> 01:31:59.199
Well, if that happens, I'll be rooting for Jesus

01:31:59.199 --> 01:32:02.560
to return. Please, Jesus. I'm not sure I believe

01:32:02.560 --> 01:32:04.560
in you, but please come back. Yeah, I'm not sure

01:32:04.560 --> 01:32:07.920
either. But this is, I mean, maybe a historical

01:32:07.920 --> 01:32:10.319
Jesus existed at one point in time, and maybe

01:32:10.319 --> 01:32:13.520
what they're talking about is like their version.

01:32:14.409 --> 01:32:16.670
of the cycles of humanity that other religions

01:32:16.670 --> 01:32:19.090
have talked about, is that especially when you

01:32:19.090 --> 01:32:21.689
deal with technology and power and civilization,

01:32:21.989 --> 01:32:23.890
that things get to a point where they always

01:32:23.890 --> 01:32:26.289
go sideways, and then there's dark times, and

01:32:26.289 --> 01:32:30.810
then society. Like the yugas. What are the yugas?

01:32:30.930 --> 01:32:34.390
The yugas are the cycles of civilization that...

01:32:35.720 --> 01:32:38.199
I don't want to fuck this up, so let's define

01:32:38.199 --> 01:32:40.699
the... We're in the middle of Kali Yuga, which

01:32:40.699 --> 01:32:44.859
is the age of confusion. Feels like it. Yeah.

01:32:45.060 --> 01:32:50.720
I mean, it's odd how accurate these cycles are

01:32:50.720 --> 01:32:55.140
when you look at historical events and what things

01:32:55.140 --> 01:32:57.920
were like X amount of thousands of years ago.

01:32:58.000 --> 01:33:01.949
Hindu cosmology. Yes. Vast cosmic ages in Hindu

01:33:01.949 --> 01:33:04.689
cosmology describe recurring cycles in the moral

01:33:04.689 --> 01:33:07.270
and spiritual state of the world. So the four

01:33:07.270 --> 01:33:11.369
yugas are Satya Yuga, the first and most righteous

01:33:11.369 --> 01:33:14.289
age, often called the golden age, marked by truth,

01:33:14.350 --> 01:33:18.569
virtue, and maximum dharma. which is moral order.

01:33:18.970 --> 01:33:24.229
Treta Yuga, the second age. Dharma declined somewhat.

01:33:24.569 --> 01:33:27.750
Virtue still predominates, but imbalance begins.

01:33:28.649 --> 01:33:32.430
How do you say that word? Dwapara Yoga, the third

01:33:32.430 --> 01:33:35.949
age, with further decline in righteousness and

01:33:35.949 --> 01:33:38.210
an increase in conflict, suffering, and confusion.

01:33:38.510 --> 01:33:41.350
And then Kali Yuga, the fourth and darkest age,

01:33:41.430 --> 01:33:44.250
characterized by moral decay, ignorance, and

01:33:44.250 --> 01:33:47.609
materialism, with Dharma at its weakness. Okay,

01:33:47.670 --> 01:33:50.869
that's us. Yeah. Hindu cosmology treats these

01:33:50.869 --> 01:33:53.170
yugas as repeating cycles of creation, growth,

01:33:53.289 --> 01:33:56.569
decline, and destruction rather than one -time

01:33:56.569 --> 01:34:00.510
historical periods. Yeah. Very interesting, right?

01:34:00.810 --> 01:34:03.369
You know, it's even more noticeable for us coming

01:34:03.369 --> 01:34:05.409
to America, I think, because, you know, we love

01:34:05.409 --> 01:34:07.109
America, but one of the things that really stands

01:34:07.109 --> 01:34:09.569
out is how materialistic people are and how much

01:34:09.569 --> 01:34:12.069
money is, like, the number one thing for everything

01:34:12.069 --> 01:34:16.500
now. Yeah. I find that really... It stands out

01:34:16.500 --> 01:34:20.800
to me, the fact that – and I find it weird in

01:34:20.800 --> 01:34:23.560
our game especially, like in media and podcasting

01:34:23.560 --> 01:34:26.539
and whatever. Because the way we think about

01:34:26.539 --> 01:34:28.760
what we do is we're trying to produce content

01:34:28.760 --> 01:34:31.840
that's actually of value to people. But we also

01:34:31.840 --> 01:34:33.979
meet a lot of people for whom it's like a business.

01:34:34.159 --> 01:34:36.619
It's like selling widgets. It's the same. How

01:34:36.619 --> 01:34:38.979
do you get – how do you maximize your returns

01:34:38.979 --> 01:34:43.739
on your investment? And that to me is – it's

01:34:43.739 --> 01:34:46.899
– It shows you that something is slightly off.

01:34:47.239 --> 01:34:52.739
Yeah, it is. And you also get a lot of... You

01:34:52.739 --> 01:34:55.039
get people that are making content just based

01:34:55.039 --> 01:34:57.859
only on the perceived popularity of that content,

01:34:58.020 --> 01:35:01.060
not whether or not they are really interested

01:35:01.060 --> 01:35:03.020
in having these conversations. And you feel it

01:35:03.020 --> 01:35:04.960
when you're talking to these people or when you're

01:35:04.960 --> 01:35:06.199
listening to these people talk to each other,

01:35:06.260 --> 01:35:09.680
rather. Yeah, the clickbait stuff, a lot of celebrity

01:35:09.680 --> 01:35:13.390
stuff. You know, Bert Kreischer went on Shannon

01:35:13.390 --> 01:35:15.789
Sharp's podcast, and he said they basically have

01:35:15.789 --> 01:35:18.869
a list of controversial things they could talk

01:35:18.869 --> 01:35:21.829
about and subjects they think are going to get

01:35:21.829 --> 01:35:24.149
the most amount of traction. And those are the

01:35:24.149 --> 01:35:26.069
questions that he asked. He just asked questions

01:35:26.069 --> 01:35:28.810
off of a list. But from a business point of view,

01:35:28.949 --> 01:35:31.010
if you take morality out of it, that's a smart

01:35:31.010 --> 01:35:32.989
thing to do, Joe. Is it, though? Is it, though?

01:35:32.989 --> 01:35:35.170
Because what's the most popular show? There's

01:35:35.170 --> 01:35:37.289
this one. And why is this one the most popular?

01:35:37.329 --> 01:35:42.609
Because I don't do that at all. Agreed, but you're

01:35:42.609 --> 01:35:44.449
sort of an outlier in that. There's people who

01:35:44.449 --> 01:35:47.829
make very, very, very good living interviewing

01:35:47.829 --> 01:35:50.310
those types of people, having that type of approach,

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end you bite off your nose to spite your face

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because I think that you lose a certain amount

01:37:19.890 --> 01:37:22.350
of authenticity. There's a certain amount of

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like a legitimate connection between you and

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whatever you're talking about that it doesn't

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get through to the people. Like if I talk to

01:37:29.869 --> 01:37:31.250
someone, I'm only talking to them because I want

01:37:31.250 --> 01:37:33.970
to. Then I have a lot of people on that are not

01:37:33.970 --> 01:37:36.649
even remotely popular or famous. But I think

01:37:36.649 --> 01:37:38.489
they wrote an interesting book or I think they're

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involved in interesting research or I think they've

01:37:40.930 --> 01:37:42.449
got a weird opinion on something and I want to

01:37:42.449 --> 01:37:44.090
talk to them about it or they've had a strange

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life or they were an undercover cop or whatever

01:37:46.810 --> 01:37:49.890
it is. I'm just interested. And I think that

01:37:49.890 --> 01:37:53.960
if you abandon that. and only focus on, ooh,

01:37:54.119 --> 01:37:56.479
this person is famous, or this person's in the

01:37:56.479 --> 01:37:58.560
news, or this is going to get a lot of views,

01:37:58.779 --> 01:38:01.500
you don't care as much about the conversation

01:38:01.500 --> 01:38:04.579
you're having, and the people know. So the person

01:38:04.579 --> 01:38:07.239
listening and watching, they can feel it. No,

01:38:07.279 --> 01:38:09.220
I agree with that, but I also think you could

01:38:09.220 --> 01:38:11.000
probably get a lot of clicks by saying, I don't

01:38:11.000 --> 01:38:13.449
know, Erica Kirk killed Charlie Kirk. You could

01:38:13.449 --> 01:38:16.630
do that too, but you're also, you're playing

01:38:16.630 --> 01:38:18.710
a weird game where you've got to continually

01:38:18.710 --> 01:38:21.029
go deeper and deeper and deeper, and now Erica

01:38:21.029 --> 01:38:24.810
Kirk's a man. You know what I'm saying? That's

01:38:24.810 --> 01:38:28.090
probably next. Has that already happened? That's

01:38:28.090 --> 01:38:29.409
probably already happened. Someone's probably

01:38:29.409 --> 01:38:31.130
already floated that one out there. And you're

01:38:31.130 --> 01:38:34.029
saying over time that you run out of, you run

01:38:34.029 --> 01:38:36.170
out of road. You're playing the wrong game. You're

01:38:36.170 --> 01:38:39.350
playing... You're playing a very similar game

01:38:39.350 --> 01:38:42.609
to the game that like TMZ is playing or any of

01:38:42.609 --> 01:38:45.569
these other Like things where you can get a lot

01:38:45.569 --> 01:38:47.390
of traction you can get a lot of views, you know,

01:38:47.409 --> 01:38:50.850
but no one thinks you're being authentic no one

01:38:50.850 --> 01:38:53.729
like if you have a take on world events and we're

01:38:53.729 --> 01:38:55.930
incredibly sorry for the loss of this person

01:38:55.930 --> 01:38:57.670
like you don't really care and they know you

01:38:57.670 --> 01:38:59.770
don't really care so they know there's no sincerity

01:38:59.770 --> 01:39:02.329
they know you're not really connected to it and

01:39:02.329 --> 01:39:05.189
so in this weird age that we're living in where

01:39:05.189 --> 01:39:07.829
you're not sure what's real at the very least

01:39:07.829 --> 01:39:11.750
you want the person who's talking to be talking

01:39:11.750 --> 01:39:16.569
about something in an honest way right and connecting

01:39:16.569 --> 01:39:18.170
with people in an honest way. Because that's

01:39:18.170 --> 01:39:19.989
what we're missing. And that might be the only

01:39:19.989 --> 01:39:23.090
thing we have left once this AI shit goes live.

01:39:24.039 --> 01:39:26.680
It was probably not even gonna be podcast. It's

01:39:26.680 --> 01:39:28.680
probably gonna be public speaking it's gonna

01:39:28.680 --> 01:39:30.460
be you're gonna have to like talk to people in

01:39:30.460 --> 01:39:33.239
groups and We're gonna all have to like work

01:39:33.239 --> 01:39:35.460
ideas out together because I don't think you're

01:39:35.460 --> 01:39:37.239
gonna be able to know when you're communicating

01:39:37.239 --> 01:39:39.539
online What's real and what's not real? Yeah,

01:39:39.600 --> 01:39:42.039
we're already in the fog where we haven't hit

01:39:42.039 --> 01:39:45.439
the fucking full hailstorm of bullshit That's

01:39:45.439 --> 01:39:48.710
coming our way. Yeah, and it I agree with you,

01:39:48.770 --> 01:39:50.989
Joe. And I agree if you want something that is

01:39:50.989 --> 01:39:53.289
sustainable, if you want something that is nourishing,

01:39:53.390 --> 01:39:56.250
if you want to create content that people engage

01:39:56.250 --> 01:39:59.529
with that is honest. But I think there's a lot

01:39:59.529 --> 01:40:01.810
of people out there who are just looking at it

01:40:01.810 --> 01:40:03.750
in a very cynical way and they're optimizing

01:40:03.750 --> 01:40:06.430
it for clicks, attention, and monetary gain.

01:40:06.630 --> 01:40:09.369
And if you want to create a business that can

01:40:09.369 --> 01:40:13.750
make money and that doesn't require a lot of

01:40:13.750 --> 01:40:16.840
lift, We all know what you can do. That's the

01:40:16.840 --> 01:40:20.439
Eagle song, Dirty Laundry. Yeah. You know? They've

01:40:20.439 --> 01:40:22.539
always been doing it. It's real? Jamie's still

01:40:22.539 --> 01:40:24.619
on this. It doesn't do all the jumping and shit.

01:40:24.619 --> 01:40:28.220
Thank you. It's from CES. I had to find a real.

01:40:28.439 --> 01:40:31.560
Okay, that looks way more real. So the videos

01:40:31.560 --> 01:40:33.960
we were watching were bullshit. So this went

01:40:33.960 --> 01:40:37.220
viral a while ago. They had to come out and make

01:40:37.220 --> 01:40:39.760
other videos. This is a different one. Oh, my

01:40:39.760 --> 01:40:43.020
God. That's so iRobot. I know. Lined up military

01:40:43.020 --> 01:40:44.739
style. I don't like that. There's a few different

01:40:44.739 --> 01:40:47.260
companies in China that have gone viral for posting

01:40:47.260 --> 01:40:49.239
videos that people in America think are fake.

01:40:49.359 --> 01:40:52.279
And that's why I had to go to CES and find somebody

01:40:52.279 --> 01:40:54.380
else. Because they put out more content that

01:40:54.380 --> 01:40:57.779
doesn't necessarily look fake, but it doesn't

01:40:57.779 --> 01:41:00.239
look better. Well, that doesn't look fake. Yeah,

01:41:00.260 --> 01:41:01.779
this does not look fake because this is people

01:41:01.779 --> 01:41:03.739
on the floor at CES. Right, but look how much

01:41:03.739 --> 01:41:06.449
more awkward its movements are. But they put

01:41:06.449 --> 01:41:08.869
out a video where the thing is kicking the CEO.

01:41:09.829 --> 01:41:14.909
Yeah. It almost looks real, but it's not. It's

01:41:14.909 --> 01:41:16.670
tough. I'd like to see what the others think

01:41:16.670 --> 01:41:21.149
of it. Is it funky lighting again? Not that.

01:41:21.390 --> 01:41:24.270
It's when they're in the ring with him. Okay.

01:41:24.470 --> 01:41:28.329
Hold on a second. Okay, so he's going to go ahead.

01:41:28.430 --> 01:41:31.829
Okay, that looks much more real. That looks much

01:41:31.829 --> 01:41:35.420
more real, much more awkward. That didn't that

01:41:35.420 --> 01:41:37.880
looks fake. I tell you what I wouldn't I would

01:41:37.880 --> 01:41:41.020
not do that No, no that looks real to me stand

01:41:41.020 --> 01:41:43.079
in front of a hunk of metal is gonna kick the

01:41:43.079 --> 01:41:45.119
problem Is it slow motion let me see it again

01:41:45.119 --> 01:41:47.279
and in fact did they show it in real speed? It's

01:41:47.279 --> 01:41:49.300
just this weird clip of it was kind of strange,

01:41:49.460 --> 01:41:54.560
but let me see again Taking the first kick oh

01:41:54.560 --> 01:41:58.340
It looks real The only thing I would say is it's

01:41:58.340 --> 01:42:00.159
not jumping up and doing spin kicks, but it's

01:42:00.159 --> 01:42:02.739
doing some right stuff Well, that would be what

01:42:02.739 --> 01:42:05.069
I would teach it First of all, I wouldn't teach

01:42:05.069 --> 01:42:06.949
it to do the spin kicks. I'd teach it to do like

01:42:06.949 --> 01:42:08.789
a stepping front kick like that. That's the shit

01:42:08.789 --> 01:42:10.670
they were showing that people had problems with,

01:42:10.729 --> 01:42:15.729
like we just did. But, man, the robots are doing

01:42:15.729 --> 01:42:17.890
crazy stuff. Well, they definitely can do crazy

01:42:17.890 --> 01:42:19.670
stuff. There was that one demonstration they

01:42:19.670 --> 01:42:22.010
did in China. I think you've seen that once.

01:42:22.050 --> 01:42:24.170
See, it's bouncing around like in a fight position

01:42:24.170 --> 01:42:26.250
here. Like it's ready to go. Checking its legs

01:42:26.250 --> 01:42:30.329
out. Wow. But let me see some wheel kicks. That's

01:42:30.329 --> 01:42:32.689
the, I mean. See, that's the thing. Why is the

01:42:32.689 --> 01:42:34.670
one in the corner looking depressed? That's the

01:42:34.670 --> 01:42:40.829
older one. He's right now plotting his strategy

01:42:40.829 --> 01:42:45.930
for blackmail to get upgraded software. I don't

01:42:45.930 --> 01:42:50.229
know. So what we're looking at was probably some

01:42:50.229 --> 01:42:54.130
AI, at least, enhancements. But the problem is

01:42:54.130 --> 01:42:56.350
they're not admitting that it is. They're saying

01:42:56.350 --> 01:42:59.699
it's not. And I go like, ah, it's tough. Interesting.

01:42:59.800 --> 01:43:02.020
Well, I would want to see this thing move in

01:43:02.020 --> 01:43:03.720
a similar way that you're seeing in that video.

01:43:04.000 --> 01:43:07.039
I mean, that thing shows remarkable agility where

01:43:07.039 --> 01:43:08.880
it's jumping up in the air and spinning around.

01:43:09.340 --> 01:43:11.859
And this thing's not doing that. It's moving

01:43:11.859 --> 01:43:14.680
very differently, isn't it? Yeah. There's a stiffness

01:43:14.680 --> 01:43:18.220
to its movements. Looks like you at the gym,

01:43:18.239 --> 01:43:25.140
mate. Yeah, it does. It really does. There was

01:43:25.140 --> 01:43:27.689
the Chinese demonstration, though. There was

01:43:27.689 --> 01:43:30.829
a demonstration where these people were on a

01:43:30.829 --> 01:43:32.750
stage and they were doing martial arts and the

01:43:32.750 --> 01:43:34.829
robots came out and the robots did martial arts.

01:43:34.930 --> 01:43:36.670
That looked real. Right, right. That looked real.

01:43:36.789 --> 01:43:39.489
But it didn't. Here's the other video we sort

01:43:39.489 --> 01:43:42.970
of saw. Oh, this is crazy. Oh, my God. This is

01:43:42.970 --> 01:43:47.630
crazy. That's where they reload. And these are

01:43:47.630 --> 01:43:49.609
real, right? Yeah, this is a different video

01:43:49.609 --> 01:43:50.789
they had to post because people didn't think

01:43:50.789 --> 01:43:58.329
these were real. That looks real. They look like

01:43:58.329 --> 01:44:01.770
they're unsullied from Game of Thrones. What

01:44:01.770 --> 01:44:06.210
are these ones? Who makes these? I don't know.

01:44:06.550 --> 01:44:08.729
I don't know. It doesn't look good, though. That

01:44:08.729 --> 01:44:10.970
marching sound is not comforting, is it? No.

01:44:11.310 --> 01:44:13.850
It says, world's first mass delivery of humanoid

01:44:13.850 --> 01:44:15.750
robots. Yeah, you're going to have cargo ships

01:44:15.750 --> 01:44:18.930
filled with these headed to America. Wonderful.

01:44:19.350 --> 01:44:21.010
I mean, those are going to be the new police

01:44:21.010 --> 01:44:24.729
officers. Uh -huh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's not

01:44:24.729 --> 01:44:28.100
good. This is... I mean, this is Terminator.

01:44:28.239 --> 01:44:31.619
This is the movie. I mean, and if you really

01:44:31.619 --> 01:44:33.840
were imagining, like if you were trying to warn

01:44:33.840 --> 01:44:36.359
people of an apocalypse and you told it through

01:44:36.359 --> 01:44:39.920
stories for generation after generation, and

01:44:39.920 --> 01:44:42.279
then eventually people write down their versions

01:44:42.279 --> 01:44:46.760
of this story, and then it goes to 2026 where

01:44:46.760 --> 01:44:48.779
this stuff is actually happening, maybe this

01:44:48.779 --> 01:44:50.970
is what they were warning us about. Yeah. Do

01:44:50.970 --> 01:44:53.069
you remember in the 80s and the 90s and the early

01:44:53.069 --> 01:44:55.289
noughties, there was this run of great movies

01:44:55.289 --> 01:44:57.510
talking about how the robots are going to take

01:44:57.510 --> 01:45:00.250
over? Sci -fi books as well. I mean, Isaac Asimov's

01:45:00.250 --> 01:45:02.829
stuff was amazing. Philip K. Dick, you know,

01:45:02.890 --> 01:45:05.949
Durand Joy's Dream of Electric Sheep, which then

01:45:05.949 --> 01:45:10.430
became Blade Runner. All of these. And then no

01:45:10.430 --> 01:45:12.770
one's making those movies now, are they? No,

01:45:12.789 --> 01:45:16.130
too close to home. I guess iRobot was probably

01:45:16.130 --> 01:45:20.689
the last one, right? Yeah, which was iRobot,

01:45:20.689 --> 01:45:22.630
which was the one with Tom Cruise, Minority Report,

01:45:22.770 --> 01:45:26.510
which was based on a Philip K. Dick. But nobody's

01:45:26.510 --> 01:45:27.930
making them anymore because everyone's like,

01:45:28.050 --> 01:45:30.449
dude, I know this is going to happen. Right.

01:45:30.590 --> 01:45:32.710
I don't need to see this. Well, they're also

01:45:32.710 --> 01:45:35.390
talking about using AI to predict people's behavior.

01:45:35.750 --> 01:45:38.470
So they're talking about future crime. Minority

01:45:38.470 --> 01:45:41.350
Report, right? Yeah. So they've literally talked

01:45:41.350 --> 01:45:43.109
about one of the ways that AI can be implemented.

01:45:43.449 --> 01:45:45.590
You look at someone's history. You look at someone's

01:45:45.590 --> 01:45:47.270
behavior patterns. Look at what they're doing

01:45:47.270 --> 01:45:49.289
now, and you predict, oh, this person has been

01:45:49.289 --> 01:45:53.670
radicalized. They're about to do X. Yeah. They're

01:45:53.670 --> 01:45:59.229
about to tweet something. Arrest them. Yeah.

01:45:59.369 --> 01:46:01.590
Graham Lillian picks up his phone. This robot

01:46:01.590 --> 01:46:04.229
kicks down the door and arrests him. Poor Graham.

01:46:04.770 --> 01:46:07.170
He's doing all right now. Yeah. He's in America.

01:46:07.170 --> 01:46:08.689
That's why he's doing all right. I think that

01:46:08.689 --> 01:46:11.000
backfired. Yeah, I think people were outraged

01:46:11.000 --> 01:46:13.859
by that because it's so outrageous that you meet

01:46:13.859 --> 01:46:16.399
that guy at the airport and arrest him. It was

01:46:16.399 --> 01:46:18.180
right after he did this podcast, by the way.

01:46:18.239 --> 01:46:22.979
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember that's a moment,

01:46:23.020 --> 01:46:25.560
even when I was talking to comedians who were

01:46:25.560 --> 01:46:28.079
actually woke, they were like, yeah, this is,

01:46:28.159 --> 01:46:31.079
you can't do this. The thing is, he didn't even

01:46:31.079 --> 01:46:33.579
do it in England. So you're arresting someone

01:46:33.579 --> 01:46:35.720
who's not a citizen of the United Kingdom for

01:46:35.720 --> 01:46:39.050
a crime. I mean, if we accept that framing, that

01:46:39.050 --> 01:46:41.210
they didn't even commit in the country. Right.

01:46:41.989 --> 01:46:47.210
Yeah, it's pretty kooky that they went with it.

01:46:47.369 --> 01:46:51.590
Yeah. Yeah. And I know the reason is because

01:46:51.590 --> 01:46:55.069
every police officer in airports in the UK have

01:46:55.069 --> 01:46:58.470
guns. But it's a really bad look. Like there's

01:46:58.470 --> 01:47:01.789
five armed police officers arresting a comedy

01:47:01.789 --> 01:47:04.939
writer. Yeah. I bet you they felt bad doing it

01:47:04.939 --> 01:47:06.579
as well because it's not them that's making up

01:47:06.579 --> 01:47:08.619
these dumb ones. Oh, I'm sure. Nobody signs up

01:47:08.619 --> 01:47:11.840
to, like, arrest comedy writers in airports.

01:47:12.039 --> 01:47:13.939
I don't think that's why the police do it. But

01:47:13.939 --> 01:47:16.140
the rules have just got so – Well, you see it

01:47:16.140 --> 01:47:18.300
in, like, the humiliation that a lot of these

01:47:18.300 --> 01:47:19.979
police officers face when they have to arrest

01:47:19.979 --> 01:47:22.699
someone for a Facebook post. Right. Which you

01:47:22.699 --> 01:47:24.920
could see, like, they are not happy. And when

01:47:24.920 --> 01:47:26.939
people are protesting and yelling, are you fucking

01:47:26.939 --> 01:47:29.079
serious? And they're like, I'm just doing my

01:47:29.079 --> 01:47:32.810
job. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And that's a large

01:47:32.810 --> 01:47:35.930
part of the problem. We get former police officers

01:47:35.930 --> 01:47:38.689
on the show, and we've got a lot of cops and

01:47:38.689 --> 01:47:41.029
former cops who watch the show, and they talk

01:47:41.029 --> 01:47:42.909
to us about the state that the British police

01:47:42.909 --> 01:47:46.189
force is in, and it's demoralization. Yeah, the

01:47:46.189 --> 01:47:48.829
rank and file don't want any of this shit. Well,

01:47:48.869 --> 01:47:52.609
same in America. A lot of, especially major blue

01:47:52.609 --> 01:47:55.050
cities, where just a few years ago they were

01:47:55.050 --> 01:47:56.670
running with that defund the police bullshit,

01:47:56.789 --> 01:47:59.329
and then things obviously went sideways, and

01:47:59.329 --> 01:48:01.510
most of them sort of course corrected. for the

01:48:01.510 --> 01:48:04.609
most part, except in narrative. You know, it's

01:48:04.609 --> 01:48:07.050
not like public massive support for the police

01:48:07.050 --> 01:48:09.050
officers because they keep society together.

01:48:09.529 --> 01:48:12.850
Like in Austin, the cops responded in a minute,

01:48:12.989 --> 01:48:15.449
one minute. That guy started gunning people down

01:48:15.449 --> 01:48:17.010
at that bar. The cops were there and killed him

01:48:17.010 --> 01:48:19.649
in a minute. It's incredible. Incredible. And

01:48:19.649 --> 01:48:21.510
they should be applauded for that. I mean, that's

01:48:21.510 --> 01:48:26.210
amazing. I mean, that, but, you know, even that,

01:48:26.350 --> 01:48:28.510
like in this city, there hasn't been this big.

01:48:29.079 --> 01:48:32.119
public support of those officers, this big celebration

01:48:32.119 --> 01:48:34.800
of those officers, this big acknowledgement of

01:48:34.800 --> 01:48:37.340
the importance of them and how they were willing

01:48:37.340 --> 01:48:39.739
to put their life on the line and react so quickly

01:48:39.739 --> 01:48:42.539
and so effectively. They're heroes. That's what

01:48:42.539 --> 01:48:45.359
they are. They're heroes. And they're heroes

01:48:45.359 --> 01:48:49.439
that have been demoralized by the last six years

01:48:49.439 --> 01:48:52.380
of horseshit ever since the George Floyd protests.

01:48:52.960 --> 01:48:55.039
Well, it was happening before. I mean, if you

01:48:55.039 --> 01:48:57.899
go back to Michael Brown. Right. Michael Brown,

01:48:58.060 --> 01:48:59.899
what we were told in the media happened is not

01:48:59.899 --> 01:49:02.039
what happened. Which one was Michael Brown? Michael

01:49:02.039 --> 01:49:05.279
Brown was hands up, don't shoot. Right. He didn't

01:49:05.279 --> 01:49:07.239
have his hands up. Right. And he didn't say don't

01:49:07.239 --> 01:49:09.180
shoot. Right. He assaulted the police officer.

01:49:09.359 --> 01:49:11.659
Right. Right. But the media concoct this story.

01:49:11.739 --> 01:49:14.420
And I don't think this is what we came back to,

01:49:14.460 --> 01:49:15.960
like what's happening in new media where people

01:49:15.960 --> 01:49:18.380
are putting out things that are really damaging

01:49:18.380 --> 01:49:21.399
to the fabric of our conversations. Right. And

01:49:21.399 --> 01:49:23.659
how we talk about things. Like you say, I mean.

01:49:24.170 --> 01:49:26.869
There are bad Apple police officers. Of course

01:49:26.869 --> 01:49:30.029
there are. But the majority of them, they are

01:49:30.029 --> 01:49:32.189
people who are signing up to risk their life

01:49:32.189 --> 01:49:34.550
on a daily basis to protect other people in their

01:49:34.550 --> 01:49:36.750
community. And these people all have fucking

01:49:36.750 --> 01:49:39.590
PTSD because all they see is the worst of humanity

01:49:39.590 --> 01:49:42.710
day in, day out. Every single fucking day, they

01:49:42.710 --> 01:49:44.569
get in the car and they go and eat shit for the

01:49:44.569 --> 01:49:47.250
rest of the day. And then they go home and they

01:49:47.250 --> 01:49:49.810
worry about not coming home. And then someone

01:49:49.810 --> 01:49:51.489
tries to run them over with a car like, yeah,

01:49:51.489 --> 01:49:55.560
they're going to fucking shoot. And the thing

01:49:55.560 --> 01:49:58.060
is that's how society falls apart when you no

01:49:58.060 --> 01:50:00.159
longer honor and celebrate the people who are

01:50:00.159 --> 01:50:02.520
putting themselves on the line. Well, not just

01:50:02.520 --> 01:50:04.859
that. In the case of the lady running over –

01:50:04.859 --> 01:50:06.819
she wasn't running him over. I think she was

01:50:06.819 --> 01:50:09.779
trying to turn her car away from him. But that

01:50:09.779 --> 01:50:13.180
guy had been dragged by a car just a few weeks

01:50:13.180 --> 01:50:14.439
earlier. Right. That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

01:50:15.720 --> 01:50:17.500
And then on top of that, you have people that

01:50:17.500 --> 01:50:19.960
are being paid to protest. So it's organized.

01:50:20.319 --> 01:50:22.399
And I'm not saying that lady was, but many people

01:50:22.399 --> 01:50:24.539
are. And then you've got all these people that

01:50:24.539 --> 01:50:27.300
that becomes the focus of their life. It becomes

01:50:27.300 --> 01:50:29.680
a cause that's worthy. You live this mundane,

01:50:29.899 --> 01:50:32.680
boring life of desperation. And then all of a

01:50:32.680 --> 01:50:34.199
sudden something comes along that gives you hope

01:50:34.199 --> 01:50:36.960
and meaning. And like, this is my identity. My

01:50:36.960 --> 01:50:39.439
identity is I'm fighting fascism. And I'm out

01:50:39.439 --> 01:50:42.460
there in the street. You know, I was on the plane.

01:50:42.909 --> 01:50:46.470
to the US I think it was last year and you know

01:50:46.470 --> 01:50:49.670
the movie Bridesmaids came up yes so really funny

01:50:49.670 --> 01:50:52.470
movie it's 2013 I was like I want something like

01:50:52.470 --> 01:50:55.050
let's watch this comedy the romantic interest

01:50:55.050 --> 01:50:57.630
in Bridesmaids the main guy you know who his

01:50:57.630 --> 01:51:01.529
job is he's a cop can you imagine a movie being

01:51:01.529 --> 01:51:05.329
made now like a romantic comedy where the main

01:51:05.329 --> 01:51:09.489
guy is a cop and he's a good guy right You just

01:51:09.489 --> 01:51:11.630
wouldn't see it. Right. You just wouldn't see

01:51:11.630 --> 01:51:13.630
it because cops are oppressors. He's a nice agent

01:51:13.630 --> 01:51:19.789
now. Yeah, man. Do you know Yuri Bezmenov talked

01:51:19.789 --> 01:51:22.170
about this? Yes. He talked about this. He talked

01:51:22.170 --> 01:51:24.289
about the fact that when you see in the culture,

01:51:24.470 --> 01:51:26.850
you know, the military, the cops, the firefighters,

01:51:27.170 --> 01:51:29.569
all of these people, they're bad. And the criminal

01:51:29.569 --> 01:51:31.890
is the one that's to be understood and to be,

01:51:31.890 --> 01:51:35.229
you know, that's how you flip society. Yeah.

01:51:35.250 --> 01:51:37.189
And that's what we've got. Yeah. That's what

01:51:37.189 --> 01:51:40.689
we've got. The Besmanoff speech from 1984, which

01:51:40.689 --> 01:51:42.390
is, by the way, such an appropriate date for

01:51:42.390 --> 01:51:46.770
him to make that. But it's it's so eerie how

01:51:46.770 --> 01:51:49.470
all of that has actually come to pass, because

01:51:49.470 --> 01:51:51.550
back then nobody took him seriously at all. Right.

01:51:51.649 --> 01:51:53.810
Right. And it didn't it wasn't until like the

01:51:53.810 --> 01:51:55.770
2020s that people started reviewing that. And

01:51:55.770 --> 01:51:57.930
then once it got on YouTube, then people were

01:51:57.930 --> 01:52:00.989
like, oh, this fucking guy nailed it. I think

01:52:00.989 --> 01:52:05.550
it's YouTube. And also most people want. Most

01:52:05.550 --> 01:52:07.989
people, in my experience, want to pretend that

01:52:07.989 --> 01:52:11.350
everything is fine most of the time. So if you

01:52:11.350 --> 01:52:14.630
come out in 2018, as we did, and say this woke

01:52:14.630 --> 01:52:16.750
shit is getting out of hand and it's going in

01:52:16.750 --> 01:52:18.270
a bad direction and it's going to cause a lot

01:52:18.270 --> 01:52:21.270
of problems, people make you the problem. They

01:52:21.270 --> 01:52:24.029
say you're wrong to talk about this. If you talk

01:52:24.029 --> 01:52:26.310
about grooming gangs, you're bad and evil and

01:52:26.310 --> 01:52:29.409
whatever. If you talk about free speech. And

01:52:29.409 --> 01:52:31.470
people being arrested for tweets and all of this.

01:52:31.670 --> 01:52:34.470
People make you the bad guy. And it's only later.

01:52:34.590 --> 01:52:36.550
Like I remember – I can't even remember who said

01:52:36.550 --> 01:52:38.989
it. But like I had this – oh, no, I remember

01:52:38.989 --> 01:52:41.689
who said it. One time I was on TV debating with

01:52:41.689 --> 01:52:45.449
this woman about this stuff. And I was saying

01:52:45.449 --> 01:52:47.149
cancel culture is bad and she was saying it's

01:52:47.149 --> 01:52:48.609
all bullshit, blah, blah, blah. I met her a few

01:52:48.609 --> 01:52:50.390
years later and she was like, yeah, I realized

01:52:50.390 --> 01:52:52.029
cancel culture is bad. And I went, how did you

01:52:52.029 --> 01:52:53.569
realize? And she went, well, my friends started

01:52:53.569 --> 01:52:56.590
getting canceled. Most people want to pretend

01:52:56.590 --> 01:52:59.109
most of the time everything is fine. But when

01:52:59.109 --> 01:53:01.550
they start to see the reality of things and it

01:53:01.550 --> 01:53:04.909
starts to affect them, that's when they go, oh,

01:53:04.949 --> 01:53:07.550
maybe this Besmenov guy had a point. Yeah. I

01:53:07.550 --> 01:53:09.250
had an argument with a seemingly intelligent

01:53:09.250 --> 01:53:12.670
person who's a friend of mine when the NSA, when

01:53:12.670 --> 01:53:16.310
this whole mass spying thing was, the Edward

01:53:16.310 --> 01:53:18.710
Snowden stuff was released. And he was like,

01:53:18.750 --> 01:53:20.829
you can look at my shit. I'm not doing anything

01:53:20.829 --> 01:53:23.579
wrong. What do you care? I'm like, oh. That's

01:53:23.579 --> 01:53:29.420
such a crazy take. Who are these perfect people

01:53:29.420 --> 01:53:31.359
that are watching over everything? You don't

01:53:31.359 --> 01:53:33.779
think any of them have either some financial

01:53:33.779 --> 01:53:37.520
or power -based incentive to do certain things

01:53:37.520 --> 01:53:40.750
or silence certain voices? find out what you're

01:53:40.750 --> 01:53:44.449
doing, or maybe even manipulate you in some sort

01:53:44.449 --> 01:53:46.630
of a way, being able to have access to all of

01:53:46.630 --> 01:53:48.909
your emails, all of your phone calls. Those are

01:53:48.909 --> 01:53:52.170
just people. And all of them are unelected bureaucrats.

01:53:52.329 --> 01:53:55.010
You think that's okay for those people to have

01:53:55.010 --> 01:53:57.350
access to everything you've ever said? That's

01:53:57.350 --> 01:54:00.569
crazy. And look, maybe the current government

01:54:00.569 --> 01:54:03.329
that we have in this place would never dream

01:54:03.329 --> 01:54:05.770
of doing such a thing. And maybe they're entirely

01:54:05.770 --> 01:54:09.399
honorable and everybody's a great person. They're

01:54:09.399 --> 01:54:11.380
this unique human being where they don't have

01:54:11.380 --> 01:54:14.500
any ulterior motives. But what's to say the next

01:54:14.500 --> 01:54:17.000
government that comes in won't do that and start

01:54:17.000 --> 01:54:19.359
looking in and going, hey, you know what? You're

01:54:19.359 --> 01:54:21.500
causing me problems, Joe Rogan. You're saying

01:54:21.500 --> 01:54:23.760
a lot of things that I don't actually like. Let's

01:54:23.760 --> 01:54:25.500
look through your emails. Oh, look, I'll find

01:54:25.500 --> 01:54:29.159
one from 14 years ago, which is, you know, whatever

01:54:29.159 --> 01:54:31.739
it may be. Let's get rid of you for that. This

01:54:31.739 --> 01:54:34.539
was the argument when Obama was pushing the NDAA.

01:54:37.340 --> 01:54:41.060
This is the indefinite detention. So this concept

01:54:41.060 --> 01:54:45.000
that you didn't have to charge anybody, you don't

01:54:45.000 --> 01:54:49.020
have to try them within a timely period, indefinite

01:54:49.020 --> 01:54:51.779
detention. Well, we'll never use that. Why are

01:54:51.779 --> 01:54:54.039
you pushing it then? Right. Also, who comes after

01:54:54.039 --> 01:54:57.420
you, man? How many generations are we away from

01:54:57.420 --> 01:55:02.319
Hitler? Who's to say that this new power won't

01:55:02.319 --> 01:55:06.560
be used by very unscrupulous people? The founding

01:55:06.560 --> 01:55:09.319
fathers of this country really had a good understanding

01:55:09.319 --> 01:55:12.819
of how corruption and tyranny sets in. And that's

01:55:12.819 --> 01:55:14.239
why they put all these checks and balances in

01:55:14.239 --> 01:55:16.300
place. And the more they eroded that, whether

01:55:16.300 --> 01:55:18.439
it's the Patriot Act, the Patriot Act II, or

01:55:18.439 --> 01:55:22.050
the NDAA. start doing stuff like that, man? You're

01:55:22.050 --> 01:55:26.569
just undermining the very fabric that this country

01:55:26.569 --> 01:55:29.770
was created with. It's like we were created under

01:55:29.770 --> 01:55:33.630
this idea that... We know human nature. We know

01:55:33.630 --> 01:55:36.470
that you cannot have power. We know that the

01:55:36.470 --> 01:55:39.149
government has to be working for the people.

01:55:39.289 --> 01:55:42.909
It can't be we are under the power of these individuals

01:55:42.909 --> 01:55:45.310
because those individuals will then act like

01:55:45.310 --> 01:55:48.149
tyrants, which is what people always do when

01:55:48.149 --> 01:55:50.050
they have power. It's one of the things that

01:55:50.050 --> 01:55:52.989
makes America really a great place because you

01:55:52.989 --> 01:55:55.810
look at the UK now and, you know, with Francis

01:55:55.810 --> 01:55:57.890
is right. And I've said this. I think the next

01:55:57.890 --> 01:55:59.689
election is probably going to be Nigel Farage

01:55:59.689 --> 01:56:03.529
versus. as these far leftists. If those far leftists

01:56:03.529 --> 01:56:05.069
get in power, I mean, they're going to start

01:56:05.069 --> 01:56:08.130
regulating podcasts. I guarantee you. 100%. That's

01:56:08.130 --> 01:56:09.550
what they're going to do. They're going to say,

01:56:09.649 --> 01:56:12.989
we have Ofcom for TV. Well, we need to have it

01:56:12.989 --> 01:56:15.029
for other broadcasting. Surely you'd agree with

01:56:15.029 --> 01:56:17.130
that, right? Yeah. And then before you know it,

01:56:17.149 --> 01:56:18.949
like, everything we do. Before you know it, you

01:56:18.949 --> 01:56:21.770
guys are living in Austin. Right. Right. Because

01:56:21.770 --> 01:56:23.850
at that point, we would actually leave. Yeah.

01:56:23.890 --> 01:56:25.770
You would have to. You would have to. Because

01:56:25.770 --> 01:56:27.909
what they would say is, and they would use the

01:56:27.909 --> 01:56:30.369
word that they always use, which is, you know,

01:56:30.409 --> 01:56:33.289
they're spreading misinformation and hate. Yeah.

01:56:33.329 --> 01:56:35.130
When the New York Times spreads misinformation,

01:56:35.409 --> 01:56:40.579
that's wonderful. Right. But it's – so yeah,

01:56:40.699 --> 01:56:44.300
I think allowing people maximum freedom within

01:56:44.300 --> 01:56:47.539
the system you're talking about is a really truly

01:56:47.539 --> 01:56:50.039
precious thing. It's why America in this respect

01:56:50.039 --> 01:56:52.520
is an example to the rest of the world. I think

01:56:52.520 --> 01:56:54.199
if anything that should be done, they should

01:56:54.199 --> 01:56:57.579
be able to figure out what – which of these accounts

01:56:57.579 --> 01:57:01.399
are bots and eliminate those. I do not think

01:57:01.399 --> 01:57:04.979
that you should be allowed to not just run a

01:57:04.979 --> 01:57:07.640
bot farm. Or I don't think you should be allowed

01:57:07.640 --> 01:57:10.439
to hire people to tweet. I think that's crazy.

01:57:10.640 --> 01:57:12.380
And I most certainly don't think you should be

01:57:12.380 --> 01:57:15.840
able to use AI. I mean, that seems crazy. It

01:57:15.840 --> 01:57:18.159
seems crazy to allow that and pretend that's

01:57:18.159 --> 01:57:20.399
a person. But think about it like this, Joe.

01:57:20.520 --> 01:57:24.020
How basically did social media start? Facebook,

01:57:24.159 --> 01:57:26.979
Meta, all the rest of it. It started by a nerd

01:57:26.979 --> 01:57:30.680
in his bedroom, in his college dorm, who set

01:57:30.680 --> 01:57:34.470
up a website to rate hot girls on campus. And

01:57:34.470 --> 01:57:37.409
my point is, we're creating all of this technology.

01:57:37.670 --> 01:57:39.210
We don't know what's going to be the second,

01:57:39.250 --> 01:57:42.449
third, fifth, sixth order consequences. And we're

01:57:42.449 --> 01:57:45.010
having to figure out as we go along. And now

01:57:45.010 --> 01:57:47.430
we're creating artificial intelligences that

01:57:47.430 --> 01:57:50.670
are way smarter than us. And you're going, at

01:57:50.670 --> 01:57:53.510
what point is this going to run away? Or has

01:57:53.510 --> 01:57:56.149
it already run away? And we just don't want to

01:57:56.149 --> 01:57:58.229
admit it because most of us don't know enough.

01:57:58.329 --> 01:58:01.369
And the ones in charge are delusional. But you're

01:58:01.369 --> 01:58:04.210
right, Joe. I think we need a way to know. A,

01:58:04.210 --> 01:58:06.310
what is human content and what isn't human content.

01:58:06.409 --> 01:58:09.369
Right. And also, I sometimes look at stuff on

01:58:09.369 --> 01:58:11.270
social media and I go, there's no fucking way

01:58:11.270 --> 01:58:15.390
this take got 50 ,000 likes on X. No fucking

01:58:15.390 --> 01:58:17.430
way. Right, right. You know what I mean? Right.

01:58:17.689 --> 01:58:21.029
But that is shaping people's perception of reality.

01:58:22.090 --> 01:58:24.850
And that is informing political debate. And that

01:58:24.850 --> 01:58:28.390
is then informing how people vote. And where

01:58:28.390 --> 01:58:31.130
did those 40 ,000 likes come from? Right. Did

01:58:31.130 --> 01:58:32.909
they come from within America? Did they come

01:58:32.909 --> 01:58:35.729
from within Britain? Because what if they didn't?

01:58:36.569 --> 01:58:39.550
Right. So who is then shaping the political direction

01:58:39.550 --> 01:58:42.510
of our countries? We need to know that. Yeah,

01:58:42.550 --> 01:58:43.970
we do need to know that. We need to know that.

01:58:44.029 --> 01:58:47.529
Because it is effective. Even if someone has

01:58:47.529 --> 01:58:49.710
a completely preposterous and radical position,

01:58:50.010 --> 01:58:53.430
a couple steps down from that, that becomes more

01:58:53.430 --> 01:58:57.060
palatable. Right. Because now it's closer to

01:58:57.060 --> 01:59:01.779
– like the farther left the left goes, the weirder

01:59:01.779 --> 01:59:04.220
the center gets because the center starts accepting

01:59:04.220 --> 01:59:06.460
things that were far left positions. And the

01:59:06.460 --> 01:59:07.960
same on the right. Same on the right. Same exactly

01:59:07.960 --> 01:59:12.460
on the right. And you can shift narratives by

01:59:12.460 --> 01:59:16.560
really radical ideologies or really radical thoughts

01:59:16.560 --> 01:59:19.819
and radical declarations and you could change

01:59:19.819 --> 01:59:22.619
like what's acceptable. So an example of that

01:59:22.619 --> 01:59:25.960
is during the Euros, the 2021 final, it was England

01:59:25.960 --> 01:59:29.220
versus Italy, right? And it was a tight game

01:59:29.220 --> 01:59:32.279
and it went to penalty shootout. And three black

01:59:32.279 --> 01:59:35.960
England footballers missed the penalty and we

01:59:35.960 --> 01:59:38.859
ended up losing the European Cup to the Italians.

01:59:39.079 --> 01:59:42.020
And afterwards, these three black footballers

01:59:42.020 --> 01:59:45.819
got... with racism and horrible things. That

01:59:45.819 --> 01:59:48.260
sparked a conversation in our country about we

01:59:48.260 --> 01:59:51.060
have a real problem with racism. This is disgraceful

01:59:51.060 --> 01:59:53.460
that these black footballers are exposed to this

01:59:53.460 --> 01:59:54.960
level of racism. It's unacceptable. Of course

01:59:54.960 --> 01:59:57.100
it is. All those things are true, but basically

01:59:57.100 --> 01:59:59.979
about them being exposed to racism is not acceptable.

02:00:00.180 --> 02:00:02.560
And then it went into a discussion about England

02:00:02.560 --> 02:00:06.000
being a racist country, white supremacist, and

02:00:06.000 --> 02:00:09.859
this became widespread. And the example of what

02:00:09.859 --> 02:00:13.140
these footballers were exposed to... was used

02:00:13.140 --> 02:00:15.699
as a way to justify this opinion. And you could

02:00:15.699 --> 02:00:18.159
see a lot of people accept that opinion until

02:00:18.159 --> 02:00:20.359
a couple of days later when they investigated

02:00:20.359 --> 02:00:22.319
where the majority of the tweets came from and

02:00:22.319 --> 02:00:24.760
messages. And I think something like 85%, if

02:00:24.760 --> 02:00:27.720
not 90, came from outside the UK, if not even

02:00:27.720 --> 02:00:30.680
more than that. So you're going, oh, so this

02:00:30.680 --> 02:00:34.319
entire conversation that we have had about white

02:00:34.319 --> 02:00:37.680
supremacy, about black people not being accepted

02:00:37.680 --> 02:00:40.539
in our country, about the fact there's second

02:00:40.539 --> 02:00:42.850
-class citizens. And look, this example of them

02:00:42.850 --> 02:00:45.270
being exposed to horrendous racism when the fact

02:00:45.270 --> 02:00:47.369
is the majority of it came from outside the UK.

02:00:47.489 --> 02:00:50.390
And then you have to ask the question, who benefits?

02:00:50.529 --> 02:00:54.050
Right. Who benefits from us hating each other,

02:00:54.149 --> 02:00:57.550
obsessing about our differences, worrying about

02:00:57.550 --> 02:00:59.770
how we're the most racist places in the world

02:00:59.770 --> 02:01:02.250
when this narrative is likely being driven by

02:01:02.250 --> 02:01:07.090
actually racist countries? Right? Right. Because

02:01:07.090 --> 02:01:09.670
that's what's happening. Yes. And we are allowing

02:01:09.670 --> 02:01:11.770
it to happen. And I think we just haven't woken

02:01:11.770 --> 02:01:13.729
up to the fact that we are living in the age

02:01:13.729 --> 02:01:17.489
of informational warfare. And we, because of

02:01:17.489 --> 02:01:20.590
our belief in freedom, have just got lost in

02:01:20.590 --> 02:01:23.949
this fact that we are under attack. It's a very

02:01:23.949 --> 02:01:26.289
good point. I have to pee. We'll come back with

02:01:26.289 --> 02:01:27.850
that. Awesome. Let's do that. I'll go pee as

02:01:27.850 --> 02:01:32.310
well. Speaking of religion, so show us this Sam

02:01:32.310 --> 02:01:35.489
Tripoli Facebook take. He was on Danny Jones,

02:01:35.789 --> 02:01:43.289
and this is what he said about Facebook. Volume.

02:01:43.829 --> 02:01:48.789
Yeah. It's a giant lie. It's a propaganda piece.

02:01:49.050 --> 02:01:52.869
That was a Pentagon program called LifeLog. LifeLog

02:01:52.869 --> 02:01:57.310
is a Pentagon program that wants to collect all

02:01:57.310 --> 02:02:00.510
your data for your whole life. What day did the

02:02:00.510 --> 02:02:04.100
government stop the LifeLog? Whoa, whoa, whoa,

02:02:04.100 --> 02:02:07.399
whoa, whoa. DARPA shut down the LifeLog project

02:02:07.399 --> 02:02:12.460
February 4th, 2004. What day was Facebook registered

02:02:12.460 --> 02:02:17.539
as a business? Oh, my God. No way, bro. The exact

02:02:17.539 --> 02:02:20.380
same day. They don't even hide it, dude. It was

02:02:20.380 --> 02:02:22.979
created by DARPA. Yeah. They handed it to Mark

02:02:22.979 --> 02:02:25.640
Zuckerberg. And then the Vossel twins. What about

02:02:25.640 --> 02:02:28.050
the other? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's all. And

02:02:28.050 --> 02:02:30.810
that's why they became the first Bitcoin millionaires,

02:02:30.829 --> 02:02:34.909
because they play ball. It's all theater, dude.

02:02:35.149 --> 02:02:37.550
So what is the purpose of lifelong? To collect

02:02:37.550 --> 02:02:40.390
all your data for your whole entire life. Okay.

02:02:42.029 --> 02:02:46.850
Take this with many grains of salt. Sam is one

02:02:46.850 --> 02:02:48.909
of my best friends. I've known him for decades.

02:02:48.970 --> 02:02:52.289
He's a wonderful person, but he's a kook. But

02:02:52.289 --> 02:02:54.449
he's right a lot. Yeah. I don't know if he's

02:02:54.449 --> 02:02:57.069
right about this. Right. Yeah. Jamie thinks he's

02:02:57.069 --> 02:03:01.329
right? It is. It was. It's not that he's incorrect.

02:03:01.470 --> 02:03:03.949
I would say that. He's making some connections.

02:03:04.250 --> 02:03:06.829
Yeah. Yeah. Well, he's definitely right about

02:03:06.829 --> 02:03:09.670
the dates. And that is a little weird. Yes. That

02:03:09.670 --> 02:03:12.569
it's ended on the same day where Facebook is

02:03:12.569 --> 02:03:17.529
beginning. A little weird. Yeah. You know. What

02:03:17.529 --> 02:03:19.979
do you think the appeal is of like... When I

02:03:19.979 --> 02:03:22.000
went down this rabbit hole here, it said it was

02:03:22.000 --> 02:03:25.680
made by the Information Processing Techniques

02:03:25.680 --> 02:03:28.960
Office of the CIA, I think, or something. But

02:03:28.960 --> 02:03:31.420
here's some other fun projects that are associated

02:03:31.420 --> 02:03:35.739
with this. Biologically inspired cognitive architectures.

02:03:35.779 --> 02:03:39.119
Wait, what? Yep, there's just a couple. Biologically

02:03:39.119 --> 02:03:42.140
inspired cognitive architectures. That sounds

02:03:42.140 --> 02:03:45.720
like artificial intelligence. Yeah. Bootstrapping

02:03:45.720 --> 02:03:47.260
learning. What was the other one, Jamie? This

02:03:47.260 --> 02:03:50.000
Forrester thing. Forced air program to develop

02:03:50.000 --> 02:03:52.899
helicopter -borne radar system that can detect

02:03:52.899 --> 02:03:55.920
soldiers and vehicles moving underneath foliage

02:03:55.920 --> 02:04:00.500
cover. Whoa. Deep green. U .S. Army battlefield

02:04:00.500 --> 02:04:02.819
decision -making support system. Yeah, this is

02:04:02.819 --> 02:04:06.500
all AI. Heterogeneous urban RST -8. So they were

02:04:06.500 --> 02:04:09.760
planning on this in the... This was 2004 is when

02:04:09.760 --> 02:04:13.180
that thing ended, the lifelog thing. So, I mean,

02:04:13.199 --> 02:04:15.000
it even goes back to says they were working on

02:04:15.000 --> 02:04:18.560
ARPANET back in the 60s. Whoa. Speaking of the

02:04:18.560 --> 02:04:20.420
internet. By the way, Joe, have you had anyone

02:04:20.420 --> 02:04:24.420
on to talk about this weapon that the US forces

02:04:24.420 --> 02:04:27.359
used in Venezuela? No. No, I haven't. Not yet.

02:04:27.539 --> 02:04:29.439
But there was something like they used something,

02:04:29.500 --> 02:04:33.569
right? Yes. Something that makes your brain water

02:04:33.569 --> 02:04:36.250
temperature rise and so you get nosebleeds and

02:04:36.250 --> 02:04:38.510
shit. Is that what it is? Well, my cousin told

02:04:38.510 --> 02:04:41.850
me when I was talking after the attack. Your

02:04:41.850 --> 02:04:43.430
cousin in Venezuela? My cousin in Venezuela,

02:04:43.590 --> 02:04:46.189
yeah. He was saying that it seemed like in a

02:04:46.189 --> 02:04:48.390
one -mile radius, everybody's windows got blown

02:04:48.390 --> 02:04:50.899
out. Well, that's just blast. That's not like

02:04:50.899 --> 02:04:54.079
it. But what I heard was that they had some kind

02:04:54.079 --> 02:04:56.800
of weapon. Some sonic weapon. I don't know if

02:04:56.800 --> 02:04:59.319
it was sonic, maybe, but something that incapacitates

02:04:59.319 --> 02:05:01.819
people and makes them very uncomfortable, basically.

02:05:02.119 --> 02:05:05.460
But without killing them. Was it 60 Minutes?

02:05:05.659 --> 02:05:08.539
Yeah. Yeah. So 60 Minutes said that these guys

02:05:08.539 --> 02:05:12.899
acquired some weapon from Russian black market.

02:05:13.100 --> 02:05:16.340
And it's a very small, portable weapon that you

02:05:16.340 --> 02:05:19.180
can carry around with you. and does something

02:05:19.180 --> 02:05:23.000
very similar. What is their claim on this? Oh,

02:05:23.000 --> 02:05:25.159
well, there's two different things going on with

02:05:25.159 --> 02:05:27.000
the 60 Minutes thing. They had a story a couple

02:05:27.000 --> 02:05:29.760
months ago where they were tracking a guy, and

02:05:29.760 --> 02:05:31.399
then they just had an update, I think, over the

02:05:31.399 --> 02:05:34.300
weekend that added to it. But what is the claim?

02:05:34.619 --> 02:05:36.439
Oh, I think they found the guy that said he was

02:05:36.439 --> 02:05:39.020
doing it, I believe. Right. He had a device in

02:05:39.020 --> 02:05:40.760
his car or something like that. And you could

02:05:40.760 --> 02:05:42.640
just point it at people, but you could carry

02:05:42.640 --> 02:05:45.119
it around. Yeah, that is where it gets strange.

02:05:45.279 --> 02:05:47.539
I mean, the 60 Minutes thing from yesterday going

02:05:47.539 --> 02:05:49.060
around, I didn't watch it, so I don't know what

02:05:49.060 --> 02:05:50.119
they were talking about. Oh, the Havana syndrome.

02:05:50.300 --> 02:05:52.460
Yes. Yeah, but it has to do with that, and that's

02:05:52.460 --> 02:05:54.539
what I was trying to – Trump had this discombobulator

02:05:54.539 --> 02:05:56.140
weapon. Right, right. That's what I'm talking

02:05:56.140 --> 02:05:58.899
about. Discombobulator. It's the most Trump name

02:05:58.899 --> 02:05:59.560
for it, isn't it? It's kind of the description

02:05:59.560 --> 02:06:02.640
of what the Havana syndrome weapon is. Yes. The

02:06:02.640 --> 02:06:04.800
discombobulator. But it seems like whatever its

02:06:04.800 --> 02:06:06.880
effectiveness is, the Havana syndrome is very

02:06:06.880 --> 02:06:08.939
small. in comparison to what these things are

02:06:08.939 --> 02:06:10.899
doing. These things are completely incapacitating

02:06:10.899 --> 02:06:13.439
people. You know, I don't think people talk about

02:06:13.439 --> 02:06:15.880
this enough. You know when they came in to take

02:06:15.880 --> 02:06:18.340
Maduro? You know what they also did? I mean,

02:06:18.359 --> 02:06:21.460
you probably know this. They fired a rocket into

02:06:21.460 --> 02:06:25.500
Chavez's mausoleum. They did? Yeah. Just to be

02:06:25.500 --> 02:06:28.100
like, go fuck your mom. I'm going to bump your

02:06:28.100 --> 02:06:31.619
grave. Wow. Isn't that the most Trump thing ever?

02:06:31.800 --> 02:06:34.140
You know how much those things cost? Yeah. Oh,

02:06:34.140 --> 02:06:36.100
yeah. Millions of dollars. Millions. So millions

02:06:36.100 --> 02:06:39.060
just to say, fuck you? Yeah. She fired a rocket

02:06:39.060 --> 02:06:41.560
into his grave. Yeah. This is the American way,

02:06:41.640 --> 02:06:46.319
baby. We're going to fire some expensive shit.

02:06:47.020 --> 02:06:48.760
That's crazy. In your grave. That's crazy. But

02:06:48.760 --> 02:06:51.000
under any other president, you would have gone,

02:06:51.079 --> 02:06:53.180
that's bullshit. Right. But under Trump, you're

02:06:53.180 --> 02:06:55.180
like, yeah, of course. You think it was his idea?

02:06:55.420 --> 02:07:03.649
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I've got a thought. That sounds

02:07:03.649 --> 02:07:07.770
exactly like a Trump idea. So this weapon that,

02:07:07.810 --> 02:07:09.850
what is the details? I don't know. We can just

02:07:09.850 --> 02:07:11.689
watch this. Yeah, let's see what he says here.

02:07:11.829 --> 02:07:13.909
Well, we could just read. Okay, go ahead. Okay,

02:07:14.050 --> 02:07:18.109
let's play it. Let's play it. Here it goes. Tales

02:07:18.109 --> 02:07:22.189
of a classified microwave weapon that may explain

02:07:22.189 --> 02:07:25.810
mysterious brain injuries suffered by U .S. officials.

02:07:26.680 --> 02:07:28.960
We've been investigating these injuries for nine

02:07:28.960 --> 02:07:33.420
years, and now our sources tell us this microwave

02:07:33.420 --> 02:07:37.920
weapon is portable, concealable, and uses relatively

02:07:37.920 --> 02:07:41.979
little power. Hundreds of possible attacks have

02:07:41.979 --> 02:07:45.579
been reported, including, we've learned, at CIA

02:07:45.579 --> 02:07:49.680
headquarters in Virginia, and at least two incidents

02:07:49.680 --> 02:07:53.699
on the grounds of the White House. For years,

02:07:53.800 --> 02:07:56.439
the government doubted the stories of the injured,

02:07:56.619 --> 02:08:00.359
but now the victims, including former CIA officer

02:08:00.359 --> 02:08:04.079
Mark Polymeropoulos, hope that word of a newly

02:08:04.079 --> 02:08:07.260
discovered weapon will finally vindicate them.

02:08:08.279 --> 02:08:10.420
There's a part of this, Scott, that has to do

02:08:10.420 --> 02:08:12.779
with moral injury, and that's the idea of betrayal.

02:08:13.220 --> 02:08:15.140
You know, I worked for 26 years for the CIA.

02:08:15.300 --> 02:08:17.039
I think I was involved in every covert action

02:08:17.039 --> 02:08:20.399
program in the Middle East. I did some very interesting

02:08:20.399 --> 02:08:22.180
things for the U .S. government, always with

02:08:22.180 --> 02:08:24.039
the idea that they would have my back if I got

02:08:24.039 --> 02:08:26.680
jammed up. I just needed to get medical care

02:08:26.680 --> 02:08:28.180
when I came back, and they wouldn't even do that.

02:08:28.539 --> 02:08:30.539
So this moral injury, this sense of betrayal

02:08:30.539 --> 02:08:34.220
is so acute with me. That's something that I

02:08:34.220 --> 02:08:37.760
can never forgive them for. Mark Polymeropoulos

02:08:37.760 --> 02:08:41.359
rose to an executive level at the CIA about the

02:08:41.359 --> 02:08:44.680
equivalent of a three -star general. He was awarded

02:08:44.680 --> 02:08:48.939
a top decoration for service. 60 Minutes has

02:08:48.939 --> 02:08:52.119
learned to take... Not much about the weapon,

02:08:52.199 --> 02:08:58.640
unfortunately. But it's interesting that the

02:08:58.640 --> 02:09:01.020
way that they did that, they did that operation.

02:09:01.500 --> 02:09:03.960
Because when I was talking to my cousins and

02:09:03.960 --> 02:09:05.840
my friends about what happened, no one in Venezuela

02:09:05.840 --> 02:09:09.100
had a clue. And they were... My friend said that

02:09:09.100 --> 02:09:13.020
he was woken up around 2 in the morning by a

02:09:13.020 --> 02:09:15.880
plane going overhead. And there's a no -fly zone

02:09:15.880 --> 02:09:19.560
over Caracas. At that time, especially. And he

02:09:19.560 --> 02:09:21.199
was like, what is this? And he said, you heard

02:09:21.199 --> 02:09:27.520
this almighty boom. And everybody was just, nobody

02:09:27.520 --> 02:09:30.020
knew what was happening. They don't have X in

02:09:30.020 --> 02:09:32.819
Venezuela for obvious reasons. So everybody was

02:09:32.819 --> 02:09:36.199
in the dark. And it was only via Instagram and

02:09:36.199 --> 02:09:38.840
Facebook that they started to understand what

02:09:38.840 --> 02:09:41.439
had just gone on. But it was complete disbelief

02:09:41.439 --> 02:09:44.239
that the Americans had done that. They don't

02:09:44.239 --> 02:09:49.460
have X, do they have threads? Which is like X0.

02:09:50.319 --> 02:09:53.640
Yeah, X0. Yeah, I imagine they must do. But he

02:09:53.640 --> 02:09:55.119
said the way that everybody was communicating

02:09:55.119 --> 02:09:57.699
was via Instagram. Interesting. What are people

02:09:57.699 --> 02:10:01.060
saying now in Venezuela? So now I talk to my

02:10:01.060 --> 02:10:03.300
friends. He said that things are getting better.

02:10:03.420 --> 02:10:05.819
He said things are getting better. He said the

02:10:05.819 --> 02:10:08.779
crime was down 75%. I mean, I don't know how

02:10:08.779 --> 02:10:11.180
true this is. He said things are slowly starting

02:10:11.180 --> 02:10:14.600
to get liberalized. I was talking to a Colombian

02:10:14.600 --> 02:10:17.380
friend of mine who was saying that people, Venezuelans

02:10:17.380 --> 02:10:20.220
in Colombia are now starting to go back because

02:10:20.220 --> 02:10:23.699
whilst the regime is still obviously not perfect,

02:10:23.760 --> 02:10:26.880
what you essentially have is a puppet regime.

02:10:27.479 --> 02:10:29.680
And they know that the moment they step out of

02:10:29.680 --> 02:10:32.020
line, they know the moment they, to use Trump's

02:10:32.020 --> 02:10:35.020
parlance, fuck about, something will happen.

02:10:35.520 --> 02:10:40.140
They're kept on a straight line. Yeah, they have

02:10:40.140 --> 02:10:43.380
to behave. They can't do what Maduro did. And

02:10:43.380 --> 02:10:45.859
what's interesting about when Maduro was captured

02:10:45.859 --> 02:10:48.739
is nobody really mentioned that much about his

02:10:48.739 --> 02:10:52.550
wife. A lot of people say that his wife was the

02:10:52.550 --> 02:10:56.229
brains behind the operation because Maduro, there's

02:10:56.229 --> 02:10:59.409
clips of him that went viral on TikTok and Instagram

02:10:59.409 --> 02:11:02.170
and on Twitter as well, where he was doing speeches

02:11:02.170 --> 02:11:04.729
and he had to do basic mental arithmetic and

02:11:04.729 --> 02:11:07.109
he couldn't do it. This guy was a bus driver.

02:11:07.350 --> 02:11:10.529
He was picked by Chavez when Chavez was on his

02:11:10.529 --> 02:11:13.010
deathbed in 2013, dying from stomach cancer,

02:11:13.069 --> 02:11:15.590
and he appointed Maduro. Everybody was shocked

02:11:15.590 --> 02:11:18.369
because they were saying, well, Maduro wasn't...

02:11:18.590 --> 02:11:20.489
the most capable. He wasn't the most intelligent.

02:11:20.689 --> 02:11:23.369
But what Maduro was, is he was the most loyal

02:11:23.369 --> 02:11:27.369
out of all Chavez's underlings. So he was picked

02:11:27.369 --> 02:11:29.710
not for his brilliance, not for his sharpness,

02:11:29.890 --> 02:11:33.550
but because he was a company man. And actually,

02:11:33.630 --> 02:11:36.210
the person who the Venezuelans hated the most

02:11:36.210 --> 02:11:38.550
was his wife, because she was the brains behind

02:11:38.550 --> 02:11:41.430
the operation. She was the one in charge of the

02:11:41.430 --> 02:11:44.590
kidnappings, the tortures, the murders. So when

02:11:44.590 --> 02:11:47.479
she was kidnapped, people were happier. that

02:11:47.479 --> 02:11:49.640
she was on the helicopter than Maduro himself.

02:11:50.260 --> 02:11:56.840
Really? Yeah. Lady Macbeth. She was way more

02:11:56.840 --> 02:12:01.300
cruel than Maduro. Wow. Way more cruel. It's

02:12:01.300 --> 02:12:02.659
interesting you say things are getting better

02:12:02.659 --> 02:12:06.000
now because it's short term, right? We don't

02:12:06.000 --> 02:12:09.960
know. Yeah. This has happened a lot of times

02:12:09.960 --> 02:12:13.170
in Latin America, right? People get overthrown,

02:12:13.189 --> 02:12:15.189
things are getting better, and then some shit

02:12:15.189 --> 02:12:18.930
happens. Yeah, not the most stable place. Not

02:12:18.930 --> 02:12:20.649
the most stable people, Joe, I'm going to be

02:12:20.649 --> 02:12:23.189
honest with you. They're my people. It's either,

02:12:23.270 --> 02:12:27.109
you know, it's either fascismo or viva la revolución.

02:12:27.529 --> 02:12:29.390
And you're like, guys, can we have a little middle?

02:12:29.489 --> 02:12:31.890
And they're like, no, viva la revolución. You

02:12:31.890 --> 02:12:34.470
know, they're excitable people. And you also

02:12:34.470 --> 02:12:36.810
wonder how much the fact that Venezuela in particular

02:12:36.810 --> 02:12:39.810
is so resource rich. A lot of, like a lot of,

02:12:39.829 --> 02:12:41.569
Francis always says to me, like, you know, it

02:12:41.569 --> 02:12:43.289
could be a really great country, really wealthy.

02:12:43.310 --> 02:12:45.369
And I go, I don't know that having those resources

02:12:45.369 --> 02:12:48.050
makes a country better. Because what you get

02:12:48.050 --> 02:12:50.710
is a corrupt elite who are fighting for control

02:12:50.710 --> 02:12:53.630
of these resources that are so easy to get. Like

02:12:53.630 --> 02:12:55.850
in 1990s Russia, when the Soviet Union collapsed,

02:12:56.069 --> 02:12:59.090
the people who took over all the resource companies,

02:12:59.409 --> 02:13:02.189
the oil companies, the gas companies, like Russia

02:13:02.189 --> 02:13:05.250
is basically, all it is, is a... in terms of

02:13:05.250 --> 02:13:06.970
its economy is digging shit out of the ground

02:13:06.970 --> 02:13:09.010
and selling it. That's what it is. And the poetry.

02:13:09.890 --> 02:13:11.750
Yeah, not a lot of money to be made in poetry,

02:13:12.090 --> 02:13:14.390
right? But the people who took over those companies,

02:13:14.609 --> 02:13:16.770
they weren't people who knew anything about the

02:13:16.770 --> 02:13:18.970
oil business. They weren't people who knew anything

02:13:18.970 --> 02:13:21.689
about the gas business because all you really

02:13:21.689 --> 02:13:24.449
had to do is take over and then you just let

02:13:24.449 --> 02:13:26.449
Western companies come in and do the drilling

02:13:26.449 --> 02:13:28.649
and the oil field services and all of it for

02:13:28.649 --> 02:13:31.270
you. So these countries which are so resource

02:13:31.270 --> 02:13:34.500
rich, it actually makes them more corrupt. and

02:13:34.500 --> 02:13:37.819
more unstable, the resource wealth they have

02:13:37.819 --> 02:13:40.220
doesn't actually make them better for the people

02:13:40.220 --> 02:13:43.239
because the corrupt elites fight over those resources.

02:13:43.460 --> 02:13:45.640
And that's where you get the bullshit that you

02:13:45.640 --> 02:13:49.600
get. And it's true. So Venezuela, before Chavez

02:13:49.600 --> 02:13:54.170
came to power, was 98 % dependent on oil. The

02:13:54.170 --> 02:13:56.609
economy. The entire economy was 98 % dependent

02:13:56.609 --> 02:13:58.810
on oil. The slight difference with Venezuela

02:13:58.810 --> 02:14:02.449
is when we were taken over by Chavez, he then

02:14:02.449 --> 02:14:05.590
installed his cronies in charge of PDVSA, which

02:14:05.590 --> 02:14:10.109
is the Venezuelan oil company. And he cut out

02:14:10.109 --> 02:14:12.369
all the people who were competent, all the people

02:14:12.369 --> 02:14:16.029
who would criticize him ideologically. And as

02:14:16.029 --> 02:14:18.449
a result, what you had is fundamentally incompetent

02:14:18.449 --> 02:14:21.510
people at the top, which meant that it became

02:14:21.510 --> 02:14:24.229
degraded. It was no longer able to pump the oil.

02:14:24.329 --> 02:14:27.710
It wasn't reliable. So that's a large part of

02:14:27.710 --> 02:14:30.210
the reason why the economy collapsed is it was

02:14:30.210 --> 02:14:33.010
entirely dependent on oil. They appointed their

02:14:33.010 --> 02:14:35.550
cronies who couldn't actually do the job. The

02:14:35.550 --> 02:14:38.289
oil industry failed and we descended into poverty

02:14:38.289 --> 02:14:42.170
and chaos. How much do you know about Brazil?

02:14:42.550 --> 02:14:47.960
Not a lot. Why? Well, that situation is very

02:14:47.960 --> 02:14:51.760
confusing, right? Lula goes to jail. Now he's

02:14:51.760 --> 02:14:54.720
out. He's running the country. And they jailed

02:14:54.720 --> 02:14:58.720
Jair Bolsonaro, right? Mm -hmm. And then they

02:14:58.720 --> 02:15:02.140
tried to ban X. Yeah. And they did for a while,

02:15:02.220 --> 02:15:04.779
right? I think so. And they had to make probably

02:15:04.779 --> 02:15:08.439
some concessions. I don't know a lot about it,

02:15:08.479 --> 02:15:11.420
truthfully, Joe. Yeah, yeah. We're going to do

02:15:11.420 --> 02:15:13.039
that thing that no one does on the internet is

02:15:13.039 --> 02:15:14.539
admit we don't know something. As long as we

02:15:14.539 --> 02:15:18.399
don't have hot digs. What is this, Jimmy? These

02:15:18.399 --> 02:15:20.720
are kind of crazy descriptions of this weapon.

02:15:20.779 --> 02:15:23.640
This is from the longer version of the CBS News

02:15:23.640 --> 02:15:25.600
60 Minutes article where they're talking to that

02:15:25.600 --> 02:15:28.729
guy we just saw. I would say start right around

02:15:28.729 --> 02:15:30.710
here, and then I'll skip to another paragraph.

02:15:30.869 --> 02:15:33.069
Three independent sources from different agencies

02:15:33.069 --> 02:15:35.409
tell us undercover Homeland Security agents purchased

02:15:35.409 --> 02:15:37.829
a miniaturized microwave weapon from a complex

02:15:37.829 --> 02:15:41.409
Russian criminal network. It's classified. We

02:15:41.409 --> 02:15:43.250
didn't see it, but it has been described to us.

02:15:43.329 --> 02:15:45.390
We were told it doesn't look anything like a

02:15:45.390 --> 02:15:47.750
gun. It's designed to be concealed and small

02:15:47.750 --> 02:15:50.170
enough to be carried by a person. It is silent

02:15:50.170 --> 02:15:52.109
and doesn't create heat like a microwave oven.

02:15:52.310 --> 02:15:54.770
Our sources say the device is programmable for

02:15:54.770 --> 02:15:57.020
different scenarios. It can be operated by remote

02:15:57.020 --> 02:15:59.720
control. The range of the beam is several hundred

02:15:59.720 --> 02:16:02.699
feet. It can penetrate windows and drywall. The

02:16:02.699 --> 02:16:05.220
vital components were made in Russia. Our sources

02:16:05.220 --> 02:16:07.659
say the key is not the hardware but the software.

02:16:07.739 --> 02:16:10.140
The programming shapes a unique electromagnetic

02:16:10.140 --> 02:16:13.600
wave that rises and falls abruptly and pulses

02:16:13.600 --> 02:16:16.619
rapidly. So then it turns out they have tested

02:16:16.619 --> 02:16:20.819
this apparently in U .S. military labs. Our confidential

02:16:20.819 --> 02:16:23.810
sources tell us still. classified weapon has

02:16:23.810 --> 02:16:26.550
been tested in a u .s military lab for more than

02:16:26.550 --> 02:16:29.829
a year tests on rats and sheep show injuries

02:16:29.829 --> 02:16:32.549
consistent with those seen in humans also as

02:16:32.549 --> 02:16:34.250
a separate part of the investigation security

02:16:34.250 --> 02:16:37.250
camera videos have been collected that show americans

02:16:37.250 --> 02:16:39.850
being hit the videos are classified but they

02:16:39.850 --> 02:16:42.930
were described to us in one a camera in a restaurant

02:16:42.930 --> 02:16:47.079
in istanbul captured two FBI agents on vacation

02:16:47.079 --> 02:16:50.059
sitting at a table with their families. A man

02:16:50.059 --> 02:16:52.200
with a backpack walks in and suddenly everyone

02:16:52.200 --> 02:16:54.260
at the table grabs their head as if in pain.

02:16:54.479 --> 02:16:57.399
Our sources say that another video comes from

02:16:57.399 --> 02:17:00.239
a stairwell in the U .S. Embassy in Vienna. The

02:17:00.239 --> 02:17:03.340
stairs lead to a secure facility. In the video,

02:17:03.399 --> 02:17:06.760
two people on the stairs suddenly collapse. Those

02:17:06.760 --> 02:17:08.659
videos and the weapon were among the reasons

02:17:08.659 --> 02:17:10.680
the Biden administration summoned about half

02:17:10.680 --> 02:17:13.040
a dozen victims to the White House with about

02:17:13.040 --> 02:17:15.500
two months left in the president's term. And

02:17:15.500 --> 02:17:17.860
then that guy was also one of the people in there.

02:17:18.520 --> 02:17:21.799
Ads are kind of fucking up this website. But

02:17:21.799 --> 02:17:24.100
he just sort of says someone admitted to him

02:17:24.100 --> 02:17:26.959
that they treated him poorly. Yeah. That's the

02:17:26.959 --> 02:17:29.079
biggest cover up I've seen in my adult life.

02:17:29.739 --> 02:17:34.610
Interesting. I don't get the, like, the border.

02:17:34.909 --> 02:17:36.870
If Russia has this weapon, why didn't they use

02:17:36.870 --> 02:17:38.790
it to take out Zelensky? Well, it seems like

02:17:38.790 --> 02:17:41.290
it's only for a couple hundred feet. That's what

02:17:41.290 --> 02:17:42.809
they were just saying. Like, it has to be close.

02:17:43.049 --> 02:17:45.809
Right. So what was the one they used in Venezuela

02:17:45.809 --> 02:17:47.790
then? They started off saying it was in a truck.

02:17:47.850 --> 02:17:49.729
It was truck size. But then that's where it goes.

02:17:50.049 --> 02:17:52.270
I started you just past that where they said

02:17:52.270 --> 02:17:54.959
it's actually way smaller. Interesting. So this

02:17:54.959 --> 02:17:57.639
is the one that you could carry around. But do

02:17:57.639 --> 02:17:59.479
we know that that's the same one they use in

02:17:59.479 --> 02:18:01.360
Venezuela or do they use something that's completely

02:18:01.360 --> 02:18:03.840
different technology? Yeah, the reality is we

02:18:03.840 --> 02:18:06.799
just don't know. I mean, the interesting thing

02:18:06.799 --> 02:18:10.819
as well with Venezuela is like Maduro is so retarded.

02:18:11.920 --> 02:18:19.719
There's a hot take. How retarded is he? This

02:18:19.719 --> 02:18:23.639
is a joke. Set up punchline. He literally said

02:18:23.639 --> 02:18:27.040
to America, I'm not going to do what you say.

02:18:27.139 --> 02:18:29.540
Go fuck yourself. Come and get me. Yeah, he did

02:18:29.540 --> 02:18:36.299
that. That was cocaine. And it's not just that.

02:18:36.520 --> 02:18:40.020
So, for instance, the country next to Venezuela

02:18:40.020 --> 02:18:43.170
is called Guyana. And in Guyana, they recently

02:18:43.170 --> 02:18:46.770
discovered oil. Really huge, large deposits of

02:18:46.770 --> 02:18:50.510
oil. And there's been... Guyana is a former British

02:18:50.510 --> 02:18:54.250
colony. And Venezuela and Guyana have always

02:18:54.250 --> 02:18:56.809
been disputes about territory. About one particular

02:18:56.809 --> 02:18:58.909
part of... I think it's called Esquibo, which

02:18:58.909 --> 02:19:02.510
is basically rainforest. They always argue about

02:19:02.510 --> 02:19:06.190
it, but no one cared. Until they discovered oil

02:19:06.190 --> 02:19:08.959
there. At which point Maduro went... You know

02:19:08.959 --> 02:19:11.120
what? You know how we've been talking about this?

02:19:11.360 --> 02:19:15.399
Turns out it is Venezuelan. They did a referendum

02:19:15.399 --> 02:19:18.600
in Venezuela where you basically asked people

02:19:18.600 --> 02:19:22.719
who were entirely subjugated, starving, living

02:19:22.719 --> 02:19:25.299
in misery and poverty, whether they wanted to

02:19:25.299 --> 02:19:27.500
start a war with Guyana. Do you know how many

02:19:27.500 --> 02:19:33.319
Venezuelans voted for it? 92%, Joe. 92 % of Venezuelans

02:19:33.319 --> 02:19:35.120
wanted to go to war despite the fact they didn't

02:19:35.120 --> 02:19:37.000
have the strength to even pick up a gun because

02:19:37.000 --> 02:19:39.780
they're so malnourished. And then he started

02:19:39.780 --> 02:19:43.680
teaching in schools, redrawing the map of Venezuela

02:19:43.680 --> 02:19:47.139
so all the school kids now think that Venezuela

02:19:47.139 --> 02:19:51.260
incorporates this territory. He was antagonizing

02:19:51.260 --> 02:19:54.540
the Americans and their allies consistently.

02:19:55.020 --> 02:19:58.920
And unlike Iran, he doesn't have the infrastructure.

02:19:59.059 --> 02:20:02.579
He doesn't have... That amount of the military,

02:20:02.739 --> 02:20:05.979
the power, the organization. He made himself

02:20:05.979 --> 02:20:09.319
so vulnerable. So vulnerable. Who looks at Trump

02:20:09.319 --> 02:20:11.360
and goes, yeah, let's fuck with that guy. Right.

02:20:11.420 --> 02:20:14.959
He's 80. He doesn't have much to lose. Right.

02:20:15.059 --> 02:20:18.200
Last term. That's the scary thing about old leaders.

02:20:18.780 --> 02:20:22.739
It's like death is imminent. It's within a decade

02:20:22.739 --> 02:20:26.700
if you're lucky. That's spooky. That's spooky.

02:20:27.559 --> 02:20:29.319
You know, you're making decisions for babies

02:20:29.319 --> 02:20:32.000
and children and the future of the world, and

02:20:32.000 --> 02:20:35.479
you've only got 10, maybe 10 years left on Earth

02:20:35.479 --> 02:20:39.079
if everything goes great. And also, you start

02:20:39.079 --> 02:20:41.979
to degrade. Oh, yeah. Your cognitive functions.

02:20:42.299 --> 02:20:43.899
I'm not saying that he's got dementia or anything

02:20:43.899 --> 02:20:46.440
like that, but you're just not as sharp when

02:20:46.440 --> 02:20:47.899
you're that age as you are when you're younger.

02:20:48.059 --> 02:20:51.020
He is kind of weird. Like, when I think about

02:20:51.020 --> 02:20:54.979
how much Barack Obama aged, how much Tony Blair

02:20:54.979 --> 02:20:59.500
aged. Trump has not aged like that. Yeah, and

02:20:59.500 --> 02:21:02.459
he is a terrible diet. I mean, especially when

02:21:02.459 --> 02:21:03.940
he's on the road. He just eats junk food because

02:21:03.940 --> 02:21:06.760
he says it's like JFK or RFK Jr. rather told

02:21:06.760 --> 02:21:10.680
me he eats junk food because he knows that when

02:21:10.680 --> 02:21:13.479
he eats fast food that it's not going to be poison.

02:21:14.420 --> 02:21:16.440
Like he knows he can eat it and not worry about

02:21:16.440 --> 02:21:20.250
getting food poisoning. What? What? What? Exactly.

02:21:20.590 --> 02:21:22.329
Does that make any fucking sense? Well, it does

02:21:22.329 --> 02:21:24.370
because it's filled with preservatives. So you're

02:21:24.370 --> 02:21:26.010
not going to get food poisoning from a Big Mac.

02:21:26.250 --> 02:21:27.750
When was the last time you heard about anybody

02:21:27.750 --> 02:21:30.409
getting food poisoning from a Big Mac? Right?

02:21:31.569 --> 02:21:34.030
Fucking never happens because nothing can grow

02:21:34.030 --> 02:21:37.569
on those things. Really. Like, for real. You've

02:21:37.569 --> 02:21:39.590
seen them. They take like a hamburger. Yeah,

02:21:39.809 --> 02:21:42.590
yeah, yeah. Decades. Decades. Decades. They don't

02:21:42.590 --> 02:21:44.489
rot. There's so much preservatives in the bread

02:21:44.489 --> 02:21:48.079
and whatever the meat is fucking made with. But

02:21:48.079 --> 02:21:50.520
this is my point. It's like Trump hasn't aged

02:21:50.520 --> 02:21:53.340
like much younger men. Which is even crazier

02:21:53.340 --> 02:21:55.760
because you consider he doesn't exercise. Right.

02:21:56.020 --> 02:21:58.719
And he's been under colossal – I mean I don't

02:21:58.719 --> 02:22:00.440
know, but I imagine he's been under a bit of

02:22:00.440 --> 02:22:02.840
pressure and stress. Well, assassination attempts

02:22:02.840 --> 02:22:06.120
and just all that, almost going to jail, right?

02:22:06.299 --> 02:22:10.239
Like 34 felonies sort of trumped up, pardon the

02:22:10.239 --> 02:22:13.840
pun, against him. He's a Russian agent and all

02:22:13.840 --> 02:22:18.309
this bullshit. Yeah. And he's just like – It's

02:22:18.309 --> 02:22:21.530
kind of impressive in a way. Oh, that part's

02:22:21.530 --> 02:22:24.610
very impressive. Yeah. And he's funny. He's always

02:22:24.610 --> 02:22:27.670
joking around about that stuff. He's very lighthearted

02:22:27.670 --> 02:22:30.190
about it all. He is. Like when he was talking

02:22:30.190 --> 02:22:32.629
about the Iranian Navy. Did you see that? He

02:22:32.629 --> 02:22:35.329
was like, they've lost 14 ships. We sunk a submarine.

02:22:35.549 --> 02:22:37.530
But apart from that, they're doing really well.

02:22:40.069 --> 02:22:44.479
He's very relaxed for a man in that. Like, it's

02:22:44.479 --> 02:22:47.079
hard to imagine. I cannot imagine being in charge

02:22:47.079 --> 02:22:51.840
of anything like a thousandth of that size. Right.

02:22:51.899 --> 02:22:53.540
Just imagine the stress that you guys have running

02:22:53.540 --> 02:22:56.020
trigonometry. Right. Yeah. Right. It's stressful,

02:22:56.120 --> 02:22:58.159
I'm sure. Francis is aged like Barack Obama.

02:22:58.479 --> 02:23:03.100
Yeah, I used to have black hair. Now I just look

02:23:03.100 --> 02:23:05.600
like an aging lesbian, John. It is stressful,

02:23:05.700 --> 02:23:09.680
right? Yeah. And that is the highest stress that

02:23:09.680 --> 02:23:13.020
I can ever imagine. I can't imagine a level higher.

02:23:13.440 --> 02:23:15.959
Do you know, I always remember after the war

02:23:15.959 --> 02:23:18.479
in Iraq, and Blair was still in power, but it

02:23:18.479 --> 02:23:21.799
was towards the end. I was watching the news

02:23:21.799 --> 02:23:26.399
with my dad, and this woman in her 50s came along

02:23:26.399 --> 02:23:32.079
and she put a wreath at the door of 10 Downing

02:23:32.079 --> 02:23:35.840
Street. And that was a mother whose son had died

02:23:35.840 --> 02:23:41.180
in Iraq and placed a wreath at 10 Downing Street

02:23:41.180 --> 02:23:44.520
of all the soldiers that died. I'm like, even

02:23:44.520 --> 02:23:47.000
if the war was justified, even if it was the

02:23:47.000 --> 02:23:48.680
right thing to do, which I don't think it was,

02:23:48.799 --> 02:23:52.180
I would still find it impossible to sleep. Right.

02:23:52.319 --> 02:23:55.040
Now, just imagine it was the colossal fuck up

02:23:55.040 --> 02:23:58.399
that that war was. Right. And those people died

02:23:58.399 --> 02:24:01.159
as a result of your decision. But how do you,

02:24:01.200 --> 02:24:04.360
unless you're a sociopath, I think that's an,

02:24:04.379 --> 02:24:09.139
you can't, can you live with that? Right. I think

02:24:09.139 --> 02:24:12.680
it's impossible to live with. Clearly not. I

02:24:12.680 --> 02:24:16.059
mean, we've got people who are heavily responsible

02:24:16.059 --> 02:24:20.299
for promoting that war in the UK now. Like Alistair

02:24:20.299 --> 02:24:23.200
Campbell. He was the spin doctor that helped

02:24:23.200 --> 02:24:26.059
Blair lie the country into the war in Iraq. He

02:24:26.059 --> 02:24:28.420
now has a really big podcast. And like all the

02:24:28.420 --> 02:24:31.000
young people are, oh, really? Tell me more. No

02:24:31.000 --> 02:24:34.760
way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So he's the Rush

02:24:34.760 --> 02:24:37.760
Limbaugh of the UK? How do you mean? Sorry, I

02:24:37.760 --> 02:24:39.840
don't know enough about Rush Limbaugh. I've heard

02:24:39.840 --> 02:24:42.059
the name, but I don't get the reference in the

02:24:42.059 --> 02:24:45.040
way that you mean it. He was the big right wing

02:24:45.040 --> 02:24:49.340
propagandist on radio. Excellence in broadcasting.

02:24:49.879 --> 02:24:53.879
Oh, by the way, have you seen the. the memes

02:24:53.879 --> 02:24:56.239
that think that Rush Limbaugh is actually Jim

02:24:56.239 --> 02:24:58.920
Morrison. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if you look at

02:24:58.920 --> 02:25:01.360
his facial features in comparison to Jim Morrison's

02:25:01.360 --> 02:25:03.700
facial features, they're almost identical. It's

02:25:03.700 --> 02:25:06.100
kind of nuts. They do like a scan where they

02:25:06.100 --> 02:25:09.040
like superimpose. So Rush Limbaugh is a media

02:25:09.040 --> 02:25:11.840
guy. Alistair Campbell, he was working for Tony

02:25:11.840 --> 02:25:14.879
Blair. Right. To shape the media now as a podcast.

02:25:15.139 --> 02:25:17.340
And all the young people, oh, really? Well, there

02:25:17.340 --> 02:25:19.139
was a lot of young men in particular that were

02:25:19.139 --> 02:25:22.739
really into Rush Limbaugh. A lot of people were

02:25:22.739 --> 02:25:25.700
crediting him with turning young people towards

02:25:25.700 --> 02:25:28.719
a right -wing direction. This was during the

02:25:28.719 --> 02:25:35.959
Obama administration. Watch when they grow over.

02:25:37.059 --> 02:25:40.049
Pretty close. It's like Alex Jones and Bill Hicks.

02:25:40.110 --> 02:25:42.590
Have you seen that? That one's ridiculous. I

02:25:42.590 --> 02:25:44.270
met both of them. They don't look anything like

02:25:44.270 --> 02:25:46.870
each other. Look at this. Look at that. That

02:25:46.870 --> 02:25:52.770
is kind of crazy. Wow. It's pretty close. Wow.

02:25:54.430 --> 02:25:58.389
Well, you know, there's the other crazy conspiracy

02:25:58.389 --> 02:26:02.489
theory involving the counterculture movement

02:26:02.489 --> 02:26:06.540
of the 1960s with the CIA. There's a book on

02:26:06.540 --> 02:26:08.979
it, Strange Times in Laurel Canyon. The book's

02:26:08.979 --> 02:26:12.520
nuts. You realize how many of these very popular

02:26:12.520 --> 02:26:15.100
counterculture figures had families that were

02:26:15.100 --> 02:26:17.899
in the military, like high -level military intelligence

02:26:17.899 --> 02:26:20.739
officers, including Morrison. Oh, yeah, Morrison's

02:26:20.739 --> 02:26:22.739
dad was very senior in the military. Yeah, and

02:26:22.739 --> 02:26:25.360
a bunch of other people that were also involved

02:26:25.360 --> 02:26:30.360
in the whole Laurel Canyon rock scene, and that

02:26:30.360 --> 02:26:34.000
it was somehow or another at least promoted.

02:26:34.620 --> 02:26:37.219
By intelligence agencies, if not formulated.

02:26:37.639 --> 02:26:39.639
And by counterculture, you mean like what, like

02:26:39.639 --> 02:26:43.000
hippies? Yep. Yeah. So the hippie movement was

02:26:43.000 --> 02:26:47.840
promoted by intelligence? Yeah. Why? That's a

02:26:47.840 --> 02:26:50.979
good question. Well, we know, without saying

02:26:50.979 --> 02:26:54.479
definitively, but pretty close, based on Tom

02:26:54.479 --> 02:26:56.899
O 'Neill's book, Chaos, that they were absolutely

02:26:56.899 --> 02:27:00.149
involved in the Manson family. So the reason

02:27:00.149 --> 02:27:02.090
for them being involved in the Manson family

02:27:02.090 --> 02:27:05.049
is, say, you have this new culture that's arising

02:27:05.049 --> 02:27:07.629
that doesn't embrace materialism, make love,

02:27:07.750 --> 02:27:10.530
not war. You've got all these people drop out,

02:27:10.709 --> 02:27:15.850
tune in. Timothy Leary. Yeah, the Timothy Leary

02:27:15.850 --> 02:27:21.270
people, the people that want to do acid and just

02:27:21.270 --> 02:27:23.809
want to reimagine society. So this is a radical

02:27:23.809 --> 02:27:26.069
change. This is a radical change from the 1950s

02:27:26.069 --> 02:27:28.600
to the 1960s. It's pretty crazy. So what do you

02:27:28.600 --> 02:27:31.219
do to stop that? Well, what you do is you find

02:27:31.219 --> 02:27:33.840
a guy who's very charismatic, who is a sociopath,

02:27:34.100 --> 02:27:37.739
who's in prison, and you find that guy and teach

02:27:37.739 --> 02:27:39.360
him how to be a cult leader. And then you give

02:27:39.360 --> 02:27:42.319
him acid and you show him how to administer acid

02:27:42.319 --> 02:27:45.139
and how to not take it and have all of his followers

02:27:45.139 --> 02:27:47.379
take it and then direct their thoughts and then

02:27:47.379 --> 02:27:50.870
eventually program them. Like MKUltra style to

02:27:50.870 --> 02:27:53.510
commit murders. So they have the LaBianca murders.

02:27:53.750 --> 02:27:55.610
They have a bunch of other stuff that they did

02:27:55.610 --> 02:27:58.370
before that. He's gotten arrested multiple times.

02:27:58.610 --> 02:28:00.430
Every time he gets arrested, they let him go.

02:28:00.690 --> 02:28:03.069
And when they let him go, like one of the sheriff

02:28:03.069 --> 02:28:05.510
says, I was told it was above my pay grade. So

02:28:05.510 --> 02:28:07.569
you're letting a guy go who's a violent criminal,

02:28:07.629 --> 02:28:09.569
who's violating parole, who's a lifelong con

02:28:09.569 --> 02:28:13.530
man. And now he is running this cult and this

02:28:13.530 --> 02:28:16.950
cult is murderous. tate la bianca murders the

02:28:16.950 --> 02:28:18.930
manson family murders all that stuff becomes

02:28:18.930 --> 02:28:21.450
public there's the hearings the trials the whole

02:28:21.450 --> 02:28:23.790
thing so the entire public narrative changes

02:28:23.790 --> 02:28:26.190
on what a hippie is now hippies are dangerous

02:28:26.190 --> 02:28:29.610
so before hippies were like we're non -violent

02:28:29.610 --> 02:28:32.930
we want love we have flowers and now it's like

02:28:32.930 --> 02:28:35.090
oh these fucking people will cut your baby out

02:28:35.090 --> 02:28:38.899
and write pig on the wall with your blood Is

02:28:38.899 --> 02:28:41.559
the Altamont concert connected to that? Excuse

02:28:41.559 --> 02:28:44.000
me? The Altamont concert. What is that? You know

02:28:44.000 --> 02:28:46.379
the Rolling Stones concert? Oh, that was the

02:28:46.379 --> 02:28:50.219
Hell's Angels, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that

02:28:50.219 --> 02:28:52.139
was kind of seen, I don't know, it's just a question

02:28:52.139 --> 02:28:53.920
I'm asking, because that was seen as the end

02:28:53.920 --> 02:28:55.979
of the hippie movement, wasn't it? That was the

02:28:55.979 --> 02:28:59.309
death. That was the final. Deathrattle, the hippie

02:28:59.309 --> 02:29:01.870
movie. Was it? That's how it was written and

02:29:01.870 --> 02:29:04.149
portrayed. Well, that's odd because Hell's Angels

02:29:04.149 --> 02:29:06.930
are not hippies, and having Hell's Angels as

02:29:06.930 --> 02:29:09.870
security is a wild move. Yeah. That's crazy.

02:29:10.850 --> 02:29:13.110
Yeah, because it was a Rolling Stones concert,

02:29:13.209 --> 02:29:15.909
but because it was a free concert, wasn't it?

02:29:15.930 --> 02:29:18.770
That was a thing. How did they go about hiring?

02:29:19.690 --> 02:29:21.530
See if you can find the history on that. Did

02:29:21.530 --> 02:29:25.559
they go about hiring the Hell's Angels? Yeah.

02:29:26.079 --> 02:29:28.879
Both previously used the Angels for security

02:29:28.879 --> 02:29:31.719
at performances without incident. Grateful Dead

02:29:31.719 --> 02:29:35.180
and Jefferson Airplane. This is also, the next

02:29:35.180 --> 02:29:36.940
sentence says it was denied, so I don't know.

02:29:37.319 --> 02:29:39.159
Right. But that's what it says in the Wikipedia

02:29:39.159 --> 02:29:44.059
here. It says for $500 worth of beer, that's

02:29:44.059 --> 02:29:46.020
all they had to pay them. The story was denied

02:29:46.020 --> 02:29:48.260
by some parties who were directly involved. According

02:29:48.260 --> 02:29:50.079
to the road manager of the Rolling Stones 1969

02:29:50.079 --> 02:29:53.899
U .S. tour, Sam Cutler, the only agreement there

02:29:53.899 --> 02:29:55.799
ever was the Angels would make sure that nobody

02:29:55.799 --> 02:29:57.620
tampered with the generators, and that was the

02:29:57.620 --> 02:30:00.649
extent of it. But there was no way they're going

02:30:00.649 --> 02:30:03.270
to be the police force or anything like that.

02:30:03.389 --> 02:30:06.250
That's all bollocks. The deal was made at a meeting

02:30:06.250 --> 02:30:09.229
including Cutler, Grateful Dead manager, Rock

02:30:09.229 --> 02:30:11.790
Scully, and Pete Nell, member of the Hells Angels

02:30:11.790 --> 02:30:15.049
San Francisco chapter. According to Cutler, the

02:30:15.049 --> 02:30:17.069
arrangement was that all the bands were supposed

02:30:17.069 --> 02:30:20.670
to share the $500 beer cost, but the person who

02:30:20.670 --> 02:30:23.530
paid it was me, and I never got it back to this

02:30:23.530 --> 02:30:28.909
day. Okay. So the Hells Angels. Angel's guy says,

02:30:29.049 --> 02:30:30.350
we don't police things. We're not a security

02:30:30.350 --> 02:30:32.250
force. We go to concerts and enjoy ourselves

02:30:32.250 --> 02:30:34.930
and have fun. Well, what about helping people

02:30:34.930 --> 02:30:36.510
out, you know, giving directions and things?

02:30:36.610 --> 02:30:39.030
He says, sure, we can do that. How they would

02:30:39.030 --> 02:30:41.889
be paid? He said, we like beer. In the documentary,

02:30:42.090 --> 02:30:45.270
Gimme Shelter, Sonny Barger. The guy that was

02:30:45.270 --> 02:30:47.809
the head of the Hells Angels stated that the

02:30:47.809 --> 02:30:49.649
Hells Angels were not interested in policing

02:30:49.649 --> 02:30:51.950
the event and that organizers had told them the

02:30:51.950 --> 02:30:54.489
Angels would not be required to do, or would

02:30:54.489 --> 02:30:56.510
be required rather, to do little more than sit

02:30:56.510 --> 02:30:58.350
on the edge of the stage, drink beer, and make

02:30:58.350 --> 02:31:00.750
sure there weren't any murders or rapes occurring.

02:31:01.809 --> 02:31:06.440
Hmm. The only reason I said that is because that

02:31:06.440 --> 02:31:09.979
was kind of one of the events that was heralded

02:31:09.979 --> 02:31:13.040
to be the end of the hippie movement. Right.

02:31:13.120 --> 02:31:15.540
So what happened? They stabbed people? Something

02:31:15.540 --> 02:31:18.040
happened? I think it was a free concert that

02:31:18.040 --> 02:31:20.760
the Rolling Stones and these bands put on, and

02:31:20.760 --> 02:31:23.799
then it degenerated, and then a riot broke out,

02:31:23.840 --> 02:31:26.100
and then the Hells Angels, who was obviously

02:31:26.100 --> 02:31:29.520
not trained security, then went on the rampage.

02:31:30.280 --> 02:31:33.100
And how many people died? That I don't know.

02:31:34.379 --> 02:31:40.979
Does it say here, Jamie? A woman got killed?

02:31:49.239 --> 02:32:02.760
Whoa. So it says concealing the remaining 14

02:32:02.760 --> 02:32:09.520
stabbings? What? He was high on meth when he

02:32:09.520 --> 02:32:14.299
died. Oh, boy. Quitted after jury reviewed the

02:32:14.299 --> 02:32:16.879
concert footage. Rolling Stones were aware of

02:32:16.879 --> 02:32:19.000
the skirmish, but not the stabbing. Couldn't

02:32:19.000 --> 02:32:21.059
see anything. It was just another scuffle. Jagger

02:32:21.059 --> 02:32:27.899
tells David Malesless. During film editing, it

02:32:27.899 --> 02:32:29.360
soon became apparent they could see something

02:32:29.360 --> 02:32:31.079
of what happened because the band stopped playing

02:32:31.079 --> 02:32:33.559
mid -song and Jagger was heard calling into his

02:32:33.559 --> 02:32:35.920
microphone. Really got someone hurt here. Is

02:32:35.920 --> 02:32:38.079
there a doctor? After a few minutes, the band

02:32:38.079 --> 02:32:39.860
began playing again and eventually completed

02:32:39.860 --> 02:32:43.639
their set. They had to get paid. The band on

02:32:43.639 --> 02:32:46.360
the show at one point was to say, Altamont became,

02:32:46.620 --> 02:32:49.420
whether fairly or not, a symbol for the death

02:32:49.420 --> 02:32:57.959
of the Woodstock Nation. Interesting. Yeah, I

02:32:57.959 --> 02:33:01.659
mean, it seems like if you're going to have concerts,

02:33:01.959 --> 02:33:03.639
especially if you're going to have free concerts,

02:33:03.680 --> 02:33:06.840
and you're going to be using Hell's Angels as

02:33:06.840 --> 02:33:09.459
a deterrent, you know, things could definitely

02:33:09.459 --> 02:33:12.600
go sideways. Yeah, definitely. And maybe they

02:33:12.600 --> 02:33:15.040
just got lucky before when they did it for Jefferson

02:33:15.040 --> 02:33:18.940
Airplane and The Grateful Dead. Yeah. Joe, not

02:33:18.940 --> 02:33:21.120
to change the subject, but have you been following

02:33:21.120 --> 02:33:23.120
this beef between Eddie Hearn and Dana White?

02:33:23.319 --> 02:33:25.129
A little bit. Because it's kind of interesting

02:33:25.129 --> 02:33:27.569
to me because boxing seems to be, like, changing,

02:33:27.709 --> 02:33:30.190
right, because of what Zuffer Boxing is doing.

02:33:30.350 --> 02:33:32.770
Is that something you're, like, excited about,

02:33:32.889 --> 02:33:35.389
the possibility that boxing, which has been in,

02:33:35.450 --> 02:33:38.430
you know, there's so much bullshit going on and

02:33:38.430 --> 02:33:41.069
you so very rarely see the best fighters fighting

02:33:41.069 --> 02:33:44.709
each other, that that might change? Well, the

02:33:44.709 --> 02:33:48.370
beef with those two, I don't know the root of

02:33:48.370 --> 02:33:51.149
it. I think it's essentially that... It's competition.

02:33:51.430 --> 02:33:54.290
Dana's now entering into the MMA space. Into

02:33:54.290 --> 02:33:56.010
the boxing space. Excuse me, the boxing space.

02:33:56.069 --> 02:33:58.229
I was going to say Eddie Hearn is now entering

02:33:58.229 --> 02:34:00.770
into the MMA space because now he's a manager

02:34:00.770 --> 02:34:05.489
of Tom Aspinall, which is very interesting. Anything

02:34:05.489 --> 02:34:08.530
that gets fighters more money, I'm for. More

02:34:08.530 --> 02:34:11.790
attention, more money, more different promoters,

02:34:11.790 --> 02:34:14.270
more people competing to give people higher purses.

02:34:14.610 --> 02:34:16.909
The real problem is with MMA, there's nothing.

02:34:17.450 --> 02:34:20.430
I mean, there's essentially the UFC and everything

02:34:20.430 --> 02:34:23.629
else is a distant second. Yeah. And it's a distant

02:34:23.629 --> 02:34:28.010
second in terms of attention. In some places,

02:34:28.049 --> 02:34:31.889
it's not a distant second in terms of revenue,

02:34:32.030 --> 02:34:35.469
right? So like the PFL, for instance, the PFL

02:34:35.469 --> 02:34:37.430
was offering a million dollars for anybody who

02:34:37.430 --> 02:34:40.770
could win these tournaments. And the caliber

02:34:40.770 --> 02:34:43.030
of fighters that were winning this tournament

02:34:43.030 --> 02:34:45.479
were not. the same caliber as UFC champions.

02:34:46.000 --> 02:34:47.520
And then some of the people that were competing

02:34:47.520 --> 02:34:49.959
in the UFC were not making as much money as these

02:34:49.959 --> 02:34:52.440
people that had left the UFC because they really

02:34:52.440 --> 02:34:56.340
weren't able to beat the best guys. They went

02:34:56.340 --> 02:34:58.559
over there and they made a million dollars. I

02:34:58.559 --> 02:35:01.659
think that's good for fighters. It's not good

02:35:01.659 --> 02:35:05.000
for really talented guys that really want to

02:35:05.000 --> 02:35:07.659
be the UFC champion because you can languish

02:35:07.659 --> 02:35:09.540
over there for a long time. And there's some

02:35:09.540 --> 02:35:12.340
good examples of guys who spent four, five, six

02:35:12.340 --> 02:35:15.260
years over there that really had potential to

02:35:15.260 --> 02:35:17.459
be a world champion. And they are, you know,

02:35:17.459 --> 02:35:20.399
in quotes, a world champion over there. But ask

02:35:20.399 --> 02:35:22.200
the average person on the street who they are.

02:35:22.360 --> 02:35:25.180
No one knows. Ask them who Alex Pereira is. Everybody

02:35:25.180 --> 02:35:30.260
knows. Those guys, if they're doing that and

02:35:30.260 --> 02:35:32.219
they're getting paid more, you have to make a

02:35:32.219 --> 02:35:35.680
decision. Are you willing to take more money

02:35:35.680 --> 02:35:39.540
now in this organization versus the potential

02:35:39.540 --> 02:35:44.180
of much more fame, sponsors, and maybe less money

02:35:44.180 --> 02:35:46.559
initially in the UFC? But if you can be a champion,

02:35:46.780 --> 02:35:49.360
that's really what every fighter wants to be.

02:35:49.639 --> 02:35:52.239
Because if you spend five, six years in an organization,

02:35:52.440 --> 02:35:56.559
the reality is your prime is about five, six

02:35:56.559 --> 02:35:59.540
years. You look at the elite of the elite guys,

02:35:59.620 --> 02:36:01.620
Anderson Silva in his prime, it's about five,

02:36:01.700 --> 02:36:04.420
six years. Fedor Emelianenko in his prime, it's

02:36:04.420 --> 02:36:08.420
about five, six years. So you could burn out

02:36:08.420 --> 02:36:11.159
your prime in an organization where you're not

02:36:11.159 --> 02:36:15.020
getting as much recognition. So it depends on

02:36:15.020 --> 02:36:16.940
what you're doing it for. If you're purely a

02:36:16.940 --> 02:36:18.799
prize fighter and you want to fight for the highest

02:36:18.799 --> 02:36:21.319
bidder, the difference between MMA and the UFC

02:36:21.319 --> 02:36:25.170
is you can do that in boxing. So in boxing, people

02:36:25.170 --> 02:36:28.530
go to see the fighter. Terrence Crawford is fighting

02:36:28.530 --> 02:36:31.049
Canelo Alvarez. My mom could be the promoter.

02:36:31.090 --> 02:36:33.250
Nobody gives a shit. They want to see that fight.

02:36:33.409 --> 02:36:35.969
And you put that fight on pay -per -view, it's

02:36:35.969 --> 02:36:38.450
going to sell. You put it on DAZN, you put it

02:36:38.450 --> 02:36:41.829
on Netflix, it's going to sell. In MMA, that's

02:36:41.829 --> 02:36:45.190
not necessarily the case. The interesting challenge

02:36:45.190 --> 02:36:48.370
to that is this Netflix thing. So with Ronda

02:36:48.370 --> 02:36:51.579
Rousey versus Gina Carano. Even though Gina Carano

02:36:51.579 --> 02:36:55.600
hasn't fought since the 2000s. I don't remember

02:36:55.600 --> 02:36:59.219
what year was the last time she fought. I want

02:36:59.219 --> 02:37:01.459
to make a guess. Let me guess. I want to say

02:37:01.459 --> 02:37:05.659
2007, 2008. When was the last time Gina Carano

02:37:05.659 --> 02:37:10.620
fought? And she's 43. And I think Ronda's 39.

02:37:11.020 --> 02:37:14.120
But Ronda's so famous. And people are so interested.

02:37:14.260 --> 02:37:15.979
And if it's on Netflix and people already have

02:37:15.979 --> 02:37:18.639
Netflix. I guarantee you, you'll get millions

02:37:18.639 --> 02:37:20.799
of people to watch that. So that'll be good,

02:37:20.819 --> 02:37:22.940
right? And that's good for the fighters. And

02:37:22.940 --> 02:37:25.520
I know they offered some fighters that I know

02:37:25.520 --> 02:37:27.760
a very large purse to compete on that card. Well,

02:37:27.780 --> 02:37:29.500
Francis Ngannou might be one, right? He might

02:37:29.500 --> 02:37:32.479
be. Yeah. There's talk of that. No, actually,

02:37:32.540 --> 02:37:35.520
I think that's been confirmed. I think he's fighting

02:37:35.520 --> 02:37:40.100
Philip Linz. 2009. Okay. So that was the last

02:37:40.100 --> 02:37:43.500
time she fought. Chris Cyborg was a beast. Yeah.

02:37:44.319 --> 02:37:45.940
There was a lot of supplements involved in that.

02:37:46.940 --> 02:37:48.959
There was a lot going on with her. I mean, that

02:37:48.959 --> 02:37:51.639
was the Wild West of testing, and she looked

02:37:51.639 --> 02:37:54.840
a freak. Yeah, the eye test was kind of— Yeah,

02:37:54.959 --> 02:37:59.799
the eye test was 100%. But it'll still be exciting.

02:38:00.100 --> 02:38:02.440
People will—and hopefully they've had enough

02:38:02.440 --> 02:38:04.579
time. I know there's a lot of video footage of

02:38:04.579 --> 02:38:07.620
Rhonda training for quite a while. She lost a

02:38:07.620 --> 02:38:09.440
lot of weight. She got really slim. She looks

02:38:09.440 --> 02:38:13.079
fit. She looks— especially with her grappling.

02:38:13.379 --> 02:38:15.500
She's doing a lot of judo throws and arm bars,

02:38:15.659 --> 02:38:19.139
and she's lost a step. There's a difference between

02:38:19.139 --> 02:38:21.340
that and competition. There's ring rust. There's

02:38:21.340 --> 02:38:24.200
a lot of factors. Gina Carano was a legit Muay

02:38:24.200 --> 02:38:26.940
Thai champion. She's got real power, and she

02:38:26.940 --> 02:38:28.840
was a very good striker when she was young. She

02:38:28.840 --> 02:38:30.920
was a very technical, solid striker when she

02:38:30.920 --> 02:38:35.379
was young. How long has it been since she, you

02:38:35.379 --> 02:38:38.180
know? I mean, how long did she stop training

02:38:38.180 --> 02:38:41.940
for, right? She did movies. She's done The Mandalorian.

02:38:42.159 --> 02:38:45.819
She's had a lot of success acting. But it seems

02:38:45.819 --> 02:38:47.459
like there was probably quite a bit of time.

02:38:47.520 --> 02:38:50.639
She lost a ton of weight, too. Look. And she

02:38:50.639 --> 02:38:52.540
looks quite a bit bigger. Those are two attractive

02:38:52.540 --> 02:38:56.620
ladies, if you want to say so. Yep. Oh, Jake

02:38:56.620 --> 02:38:58.100
Paul is in the middle. Yeah. Ronald looks very

02:38:58.100 --> 02:39:00.299
angry. He looks kind of awkward there, Jake,

02:39:00.459 --> 02:39:06.389
to be honest. You know, when it comes to grappling,

02:39:06.510 --> 02:39:08.489
you give Ronda a big advantage. She's one of

02:39:08.489 --> 02:39:10.790
the best submission artists ever, period. You

02:39:10.790 --> 02:39:12.450
know, her arm bar is about as good as a cat's.

02:39:12.889 --> 02:39:15.729
She's got fantastic judo, bronze medalist in

02:39:15.729 --> 02:39:17.889
the Olympics. But when it comes to Gina, Gina

02:39:17.889 --> 02:39:20.469
was like a solid striker when she was young.

02:39:20.590 --> 02:39:22.790
And the difference in striking would definitely

02:39:22.790 --> 02:39:25.190
benefit Gina. You would have to lean in her direction.

02:39:25.489 --> 02:39:27.629
But again, when you're talking about like 2009.

02:39:29.239 --> 02:39:32.379
It's a long time, man, 17 years. It's a long

02:39:32.379 --> 02:39:35.059
time to not compete. Well, there do seem to be

02:39:35.059 --> 02:39:37.440
a lot of fights nowadays in various disciplines

02:39:37.440 --> 02:39:40.139
happening where it's like you're not seeing people

02:39:40.139 --> 02:39:42.420
at their prime. You're maybe sometimes seeing

02:39:42.420 --> 02:39:45.079
people who aren't professionals but are famous.

02:39:45.440 --> 02:39:47.459
And there seems to be a lot of money to be made

02:39:47.459 --> 02:39:49.739
doing that. Yeah, as long as you match them correctly,

02:39:50.040 --> 02:39:52.940
right? Yeah. That was the thing that was wild

02:39:52.940 --> 02:39:55.840
with Jake Paul versus Anthony Joshua. Uh -huh.

02:39:56.219 --> 02:39:58.399
Jake Paul is a cruiserweight, and you've got

02:39:58.399 --> 02:40:01.260
Joshua, who is heavy for the heavyweight division.

02:40:01.739 --> 02:40:04.139
You looked at the size matchup between the two,

02:40:04.280 --> 02:40:07.100
and at one point I was like, he's going to kill

02:40:07.100 --> 02:40:10.920
him. Well, he did. I mean, I think Jake probably

02:40:10.920 --> 02:40:13.459
knew it going in, and I think his game plan was

02:40:13.459 --> 02:40:16.059
just to move a lot, and he did a lot of that,

02:40:16.219 --> 02:40:19.459
did a lot of moving. He hit him a few times,

02:40:19.600 --> 02:40:22.409
and he hit him with some... wild shots from the

02:40:22.409 --> 02:40:24.350
outside where he kind of dove in and threw wild

02:40:24.350 --> 02:40:25.870
punches. I think that was probably part of the

02:40:25.870 --> 02:40:28.450
strategy. But I mean, ultimately, you're looking

02:40:28.450 --> 02:40:31.209
at Anthony Joshua, who's not just a heavyweight

02:40:31.209 --> 02:40:33.510
champion in boxing, but a one -punch knockout

02:40:33.510 --> 02:40:36.190
artist and a former Olympic gold medalist. He's

02:40:36.190 --> 02:40:39.969
a fucking highly skilled man. Very highly, highly

02:40:39.969 --> 02:40:42.790
skilled. That was a strange fight because up

02:40:42.790 --> 02:40:44.590
to that point, Jake Paul's fight was the other

02:40:44.590 --> 02:40:47.610
way around. Like, he clearly had an advantage.

02:40:47.950 --> 02:40:50.530
And that was like flipping the script the other

02:40:50.530 --> 02:40:53.149
way. Well, smart dude. You know, very smart.

02:40:53.229 --> 02:40:55.209
Do you think that was smart? Yeah. Very smart

02:40:55.209 --> 02:40:57.129
in how he promotes himself. Smart in that, like,

02:40:57.170 --> 02:40:59.370
you can't criticize him for not fighting dangerous

02:40:59.370 --> 02:41:00.709
fights anymore. Well, that you've got to respect.

02:41:00.870 --> 02:41:04.629
Yeah. The Mike Tyson one was a little sus. I

02:41:04.629 --> 02:41:07.180
mean, Mike Tyson is, you know. He's on the older

02:41:07.180 --> 02:41:09.120
side. Whereas Anthony Joshua, he's not that old.

02:41:09.379 --> 02:41:11.299
It's not just that. Like, the fight itself was

02:41:11.299 --> 02:41:13.159
a little sus. How do you mean? Because it looked

02:41:13.159 --> 02:41:14.600
like a sparring match. Right. It looked like

02:41:14.600 --> 02:41:16.479
there was an agreement in place. Okay. I don't

02:41:16.479 --> 02:41:19.899
know if there was, you know, but Terrence Crawford

02:41:19.899 --> 02:41:22.799
thought it was. Really? Yeah. It looked a little

02:41:22.799 --> 02:41:25.139
sus. I mean, Mike is... How old is Mike? 58?

02:41:25.319 --> 02:41:28.079
59? Yeah. I mean, I still wouldn't get in a ring

02:41:28.079 --> 02:41:30.319
with him. Yeah, no. I'd still kill you. But it's

02:41:30.319 --> 02:41:33.180
like... I mean, it's not saying that Jake would

02:41:33.180 --> 02:41:35.719
have even won. I mean, who knows? I mean, if...

02:41:36.090 --> 02:41:40.110
If Mike really could have, you saw he's capable

02:41:40.110 --> 02:41:43.250
of those flurries when he's hitting pads. He's

02:41:43.250 --> 02:41:46.209
still capable of massive speed and power. It's

02:41:46.209 --> 02:41:48.329
not saying that, but it's like, could he sustain

02:41:48.329 --> 02:41:50.290
a real fight? Does he want to get hit in the

02:41:50.290 --> 02:41:52.930
head anymore at this point in his life? And it's

02:41:52.930 --> 02:41:55.209
also when you get to that age, you can look and

02:41:55.209 --> 02:41:57.850
you can, there'll be glimpses where you're like,

02:41:57.930 --> 02:42:00.469
oh, this is the old, the Tyson of old. But it's

02:42:00.469 --> 02:42:03.459
also as well. He's still a 58 -year -old dude.

02:42:03.600 --> 02:42:05.280
You know, a punch around the head, that can cause

02:42:05.280 --> 02:42:08.200
a brain hemorrhage, et cetera, and he can die.

02:42:08.520 --> 02:42:11.000
Sure. Fighters die at the peak of their powers

02:42:11.000 --> 02:42:13.459
or get brain damage. I mean, it's going to be,

02:42:13.559 --> 02:42:16.260
I'm no neurologist, but I'm certain that that

02:42:16.260 --> 02:42:18.459
is a higher risk when you're 58. Yeah, I would

02:42:18.459 --> 02:42:23.420
recommend it. So this is why I asked you about

02:42:23.420 --> 02:42:24.840
Eddie Hearn and Dana. There's talk about them

02:42:24.840 --> 02:42:26.780
having a boxing match. Oh, that's funny. Dana

02:42:26.780 --> 02:42:29.860
can box. He can really box. I've seen Dana hit

02:42:29.860 --> 02:42:32.299
mitts before. I've seen Dana spar. Dana can actually

02:42:32.299 --> 02:42:34.219
box. And there was a time where Dana was supposed

02:42:34.219 --> 02:42:36.319
to have a boxing match with Tito Ortiz. Right.

02:42:36.379 --> 02:42:40.299
Wow. And even Tito acknowledged, because Dana

02:42:40.299 --> 02:42:42.120
was his manager at one point in time, even Tito

02:42:42.120 --> 02:42:43.659
acknowledged, like, Dana's a really good boxer.

02:42:44.459 --> 02:42:46.600
He can box. He spent a lot of his time boxing

02:42:46.600 --> 02:42:48.500
when he was young. I mean, I don't know how much

02:42:48.500 --> 02:42:50.420
of it he's doing these days. He's so fucking

02:42:50.420 --> 02:42:56.649
busy. He's so involved in Zufa boxing now. He's

02:42:56.649 --> 02:42:58.569
involved in some of these Riyadh season events.

02:42:59.049 --> 02:43:01.950
So it's like, you know, I think it's probably

02:43:01.950 --> 02:43:04.649
just talk. Eddie Hearn's a very tall guy, though.

02:43:04.770 --> 02:43:06.229
He's a big dude. Yeah, he's a big dude. And he

02:43:06.229 --> 02:43:08.790
used to box as well. Did he? He boxed his dad,

02:43:08.930 --> 02:43:11.329
I think. I heard him talking about that. Interesting.

02:43:11.430 --> 02:43:14.510
Yeah. Yeah. There's a fight. Yeah. I mean, I

02:43:14.510 --> 02:43:17.510
guess. I don't want to see it. I'll watch, though.

02:43:18.149 --> 02:43:19.750
Well, this is what I mean. You don't want to

02:43:19.750 --> 02:43:21.670
see it, but you'll watch. Well, there's certain

02:43:21.670 --> 02:43:23.170
things I don't want to see that I watch, like

02:43:23.170 --> 02:43:25.729
slap fight. Like if someone sends me a video,

02:43:25.930 --> 02:43:28.790
if it shows up on my Instagram feed of some poor

02:43:28.790 --> 02:43:32.489
slob getting slapped in the shadow realm, I'll

02:43:32.489 --> 02:43:34.440
watch it. Just for how they hit their head off

02:43:34.440 --> 02:43:36.940
the table and stiffen up on the way down? Yeah.

02:43:37.280 --> 02:43:39.559
That's combat sports for the TikTok generation.

02:43:39.860 --> 02:43:41.659
Yeah. When you think about it. It's not even

02:43:41.659 --> 02:43:44.280
combat sports. I mean, it's just slapping each

02:43:44.280 --> 02:43:47.020
other. That's all it is. If you want to call

02:43:47.020 --> 02:43:48.879
slapping each other a sport, that seems crazy.

02:43:49.120 --> 02:43:51.680
It's also there's a fundamental problem with

02:43:51.680 --> 02:43:53.299
slap fighting is that someone has to go first.

02:43:54.120 --> 02:43:56.700
Yeah. Yeah. And that's a giant advantage. Right.

02:43:56.780 --> 02:43:59.399
Going first is the biggest advantage of all time.

02:43:59.459 --> 02:44:01.520
Right. You know? And how's that decided? Coin

02:44:01.520 --> 02:44:05.090
toss. I don't know. I don't watch it. Is it?

02:44:05.350 --> 02:44:08.870
I have no idea. No. I physically can't watch

02:44:08.870 --> 02:44:12.729
it, to be honest. Yeah. Well, to me, it's like

02:44:12.729 --> 02:44:15.590
this, at least Zufa boxing, is real. This is

02:44:15.590 --> 02:44:18.049
a real combat sport, whereas it's not just slapping

02:44:18.049 --> 02:44:20.049
each other in the head. Well, to me, the exciting

02:44:20.049 --> 02:44:21.750
thing, and correct me if this is wrong, but the

02:44:21.750 --> 02:44:24.190
exciting thing is it has felt for a long time

02:44:24.190 --> 02:44:26.809
that seeing top boxers fighting each other is

02:44:26.809 --> 02:44:29.370
a rare occurrence. Right. UFC, you see that every

02:44:29.370 --> 02:44:32.680
single card. Yeah. Well, the Saudis are stepping

02:44:32.680 --> 02:44:37.040
up, and that's, you know, with Turkey Al -Sheikh,

02:44:37.139 --> 02:44:41.000
like, his role in boxing has really changed that.

02:44:41.120 --> 02:44:44.139
Like, what they've done with Riyadh Seasons done

02:44:44.139 --> 02:44:47.659
is make fights that managers have said, don't

02:44:47.659 --> 02:44:52.319
do this. Like, a good one is Martin Boccoli versus,

02:44:52.459 --> 02:44:59.680
God, I forget his name, Anderson. Young prospect,

02:45:00.000 --> 02:45:03.479
very good fighter, and Bacoli is a fucking big,

02:45:03.559 --> 02:45:06.340
dangerous guy. And Bacoli knocked this guy out.

02:45:06.440 --> 02:45:09.079
Jared Anderson. Jared Anderson, that's it. Jared

02:45:09.079 --> 02:45:11.840
Anderson was undefeated, up -and -coming prospect,

02:45:12.079 --> 02:45:16.879
young guy, and Bacoli beat him up. And he really

02:45:16.879 --> 02:45:20.139
wasn't there yet. He wasn't ready for that guy

02:45:20.139 --> 02:45:23.299
yet. And Bacoli stopped him, and that derailed

02:45:23.299 --> 02:45:25.620
this guy's career. But he probably got a big

02:45:25.620 --> 02:45:29.069
paycheck. Right. Right. And so what I understand

02:45:29.069 --> 02:45:30.670
is there was a lot of people saying that's a

02:45:30.670 --> 02:45:33.840
bad fight to make. Don't do it. Yeah, I mean,

02:45:33.840 --> 02:45:36.520
the UFC has been, seems to me, from the outside,

02:45:36.540 --> 02:45:39.540
quite careful about giving people, like Bo Nickel

02:45:39.540 --> 02:45:43.940
and Raul Rosas Jr. and Sean O'Malley, just trying

02:45:43.940 --> 02:45:45.860
to get them to build up slow. And even they've,

02:45:45.940 --> 02:45:48.920
you know, Raul and Bo Nickel both lost at one

02:45:48.920 --> 02:45:51.239
point, right? Well, yeah. Well, Bo Nickel fought

02:45:51.239 --> 02:45:54.459
Reiner De Ritter, who's a one champion and a

02:45:54.459 --> 02:45:57.120
huge guy for the middleweight division. And Reiner

02:45:57.120 --> 02:45:59.620
did a fantastic job of, you know, you don't want

02:45:59.620 --> 02:46:01.420
to take Reiner to the ground because he's an

02:46:01.420 --> 02:46:04.700
elite. submission athlete and standing up he's

02:46:04.700 --> 02:46:06.479
got vicious knees to the body that's like one

02:46:06.479 --> 02:46:09.399
of his best weapons and he he fucked Bo up but

02:46:09.399 --> 02:46:11.399
that was a good fight for Bo because he came

02:46:11.399 --> 02:46:14.120
back from that and fought Adolfo Vieira and looked

02:46:14.120 --> 02:46:16.940
fantastic afterwards like he's a real competitor

02:46:16.940 --> 02:46:19.440
and a winner and the kind of guy that gets knocked

02:46:19.440 --> 02:46:21.559
down like that is going to get back up and be

02:46:21.559 --> 02:46:23.940
five times more ferocious and that's what he

02:46:23.940 --> 02:46:27.540
is but you know it's one of those things where

02:46:27.540 --> 02:46:30.450
it's like Why do you protect some people and

02:46:30.450 --> 02:46:33.030
not protect others? Is it because they have better

02:46:33.030 --> 02:46:36.110
management? Because sometimes the UFC will tell

02:46:36.110 --> 02:46:39.329
you, if you want to fight in the UFC, hey, we've

02:46:39.329 --> 02:46:42.469
got to fight. We need an opponent in four days.

02:46:42.530 --> 02:46:44.850
Someone dropped out and you're going to fight.

02:46:45.529 --> 02:46:47.889
Blank. And that person who you're going to fight

02:46:47.889 --> 02:46:51.469
might be a surging contender who's fucking terrifying.

02:46:51.549 --> 02:46:53.989
He's putting everybody to sleep. And you have

02:46:53.989 --> 02:46:55.870
to make a decision like this is not a good fight

02:46:55.870 --> 02:46:58.049
for me at this point in my career. But if I say

02:46:58.049 --> 02:47:00.569
no to the UFC, maybe they will never offer me

02:47:00.569 --> 02:47:03.170
a fight again. And also you're a fighter and

02:47:03.170 --> 02:47:05.930
fighters from everything that I know, you're

02:47:05.930 --> 02:47:08.670
going to back yourself. Yes, but you have to

02:47:08.670 --> 02:47:10.590
do that intelligently, right? You have to realize

02:47:10.590 --> 02:47:14.170
that if you are in a process, and this is the

02:47:14.170 --> 02:47:15.809
thing about everyone up until the championship

02:47:15.809 --> 02:47:17.649
level, up until a certain point in time when

02:47:17.649 --> 02:47:20.229
you plateau, everyone is constantly getting better.

02:47:20.969 --> 02:47:25.329
So you get better from training, you get better

02:47:25.329 --> 02:47:27.549
from work with your coaches, but you also get

02:47:27.549 --> 02:47:31.209
better with experience. And what boxers and boxing

02:47:31.209 --> 02:47:33.729
management has always done is make sure that

02:47:33.729 --> 02:47:36.129
you get the proper experience and the proper

02:47:36.129 --> 02:47:38.090
kinds of opponents are going to test you in certain

02:47:38.090 --> 02:47:40.649
ways along the way. So the idea is you give a

02:47:40.649 --> 02:47:42.950
fighter a stiff test that they can pass. You

02:47:42.950 --> 02:47:45.549
don't give a fighter a chance where they're going

02:47:45.549 --> 02:47:47.920
to compete against someone who's... many many

02:47:47.920 --> 02:47:49.680
levels above them and they don't have a chance

02:47:49.680 --> 02:47:52.059
at all because that can destroy confidence that

02:47:52.059 --> 02:47:54.600
could like cause real damage to you can get really

02:47:54.600 --> 02:47:57.159
badly hurt and never be the same again there's

02:47:57.159 --> 02:47:58.659
certain fights that fighters have where they

02:47:58.659 --> 02:48:00.659
are never the same again they get knocked out

02:48:00.659 --> 02:48:02.340
by someone and they just aren't the same they

02:48:02.340 --> 02:48:04.479
get a flying knee to the face and they're done

02:48:04.479 --> 02:48:06.860
they get a head kick and they're done and they

02:48:06.860 --> 02:48:08.680
just are never the same guy again you could point

02:48:08.680 --> 02:48:12.000
to numerous examples of good fights where there

02:48:12.000 --> 02:48:14.219
weren't mismatches but that a fighter was never

02:48:14.219 --> 02:48:17.799
the same again It's a dangerous sport. I mean,

02:48:17.860 --> 02:48:21.760
it is the most. I mean, it's not the most in

02:48:21.760 --> 02:48:24.260
terms of death. Boxing is the most in terms of

02:48:24.260 --> 02:48:26.120
death. And I think that's because they have less

02:48:26.120 --> 02:48:29.180
options. You know, you can't clinch. You can't

02:48:29.180 --> 02:48:30.700
hold on, try to take a fight to the ground. You

02:48:30.700 --> 02:48:32.620
can't defend yourself as well. There's also the

02:48:32.620 --> 02:48:34.520
thing where you get knocked down and you get

02:48:34.520 --> 02:48:37.520
back up. Well, you clear your head momentarily,

02:48:37.520 --> 02:48:39.700
but you're still fucked. And now you can't get

02:48:39.700 --> 02:48:41.379
out of the way of punches, and now you're really

02:48:41.379 --> 02:48:43.020
getting fucked up, and you're getting much more

02:48:43.020 --> 02:48:45.159
damage than you would have gotten if you got

02:48:45.159 --> 02:48:46.860
clipped that first time and then the guy punched

02:48:46.860 --> 02:48:48.100
you a couple times when you were on the ground.

02:48:48.180 --> 02:48:50.139
Or you got choked out. Yeah, or you got choked

02:48:50.139 --> 02:48:52.280
out is way better. Choked out is way better.

02:48:52.379 --> 02:48:54.520
Arm bar, way better. Just tap, and then you're

02:48:54.520 --> 02:48:56.920
good. It's also the duration of the fight. Boxing

02:48:56.920 --> 02:48:59.000
matches tend to last for a lot longer normally

02:48:59.000 --> 02:49:01.440
if they go the duration. They certainly can if

02:49:01.440 --> 02:49:03.479
it's 12 minutes, right? You're dealing with 36

02:49:03.479 --> 02:49:06.379
minutes of fighting, of getting punched in the

02:49:06.379 --> 02:49:09.780
head versus 25 for an MMA fight. The opposite

02:49:09.780 --> 02:49:11.680
of that, you would say, though, but they're not

02:49:11.680 --> 02:49:14.399
getting slammed on their head. They're not getting

02:49:14.399 --> 02:49:16.280
kicked. They're not getting kneed in the face.

02:49:16.420 --> 02:49:18.680
They're not getting cut open with elbows. There's

02:49:18.680 --> 02:49:20.440
a lot of things that can happen in an MMA fight

02:49:20.440 --> 02:49:23.510
that are way worse. But do you also think as

02:49:23.510 --> 02:49:26.610
well that when I watch MMA, losses, look, of

02:49:26.610 --> 02:49:28.610
course, losses are detrimental and they affect

02:49:28.610 --> 02:49:30.590
careers and they knock people back. But they

02:49:30.590 --> 02:49:32.950
don't seem to be as consequential as losses in

02:49:32.950 --> 02:49:35.329
boxing. In terms of your career? In terms of

02:49:35.329 --> 02:49:37.190
your career and the way you're perceived. Right.

02:49:37.290 --> 02:49:40.030
Well, I think it's accepted that if you're fighting...

02:49:40.969 --> 02:49:43.409
Bunch of different styles, you know, style versus

02:49:43.409 --> 02:49:46.489
style. There's always a potential of losing,

02:49:46.649 --> 02:49:49.010
especially amongst the elite of the elite. And

02:49:49.010 --> 02:49:51.649
you're seeing more of that in MMA at the highest

02:49:51.649 --> 02:49:54.250
level. You're not seeing guys avoiding each other

02:49:54.250 --> 02:49:56.870
because there's one champion and it's a UFC champion

02:49:56.870 --> 02:49:58.969
in that weight class. And you have to fight that

02:49:58.969 --> 02:50:00.969
guy if you want the title. Whereas there's the

02:50:00.969 --> 02:50:04.950
WBC, the WBO, the IBF, and you have all these

02:50:04.950 --> 02:50:08.090
different organizations for boxing. And so you

02:50:08.090 --> 02:50:10.409
can be a champion while avoiding the other champion.

02:50:10.409 --> 02:50:12.690
Right. Whereas in the UFC, that's the thing that's

02:50:12.690 --> 02:50:14.750
exciting is like you get to see Max Holloway,

02:50:14.790 --> 02:50:17.190
who's a super dominant guy. Right. And then he

02:50:17.190 --> 02:50:21.170
fights Charles Oliveira. Yeah. And it doesn't

02:50:21.170 --> 02:50:24.209
go that way. It's crazy. That was so dominant.

02:50:24.450 --> 02:50:26.450
Yeah, it was so dominant. And Max Holloway was

02:50:26.450 --> 02:50:28.610
a two to one favorite, at least at some points

02:50:28.610 --> 02:50:31.250
in the betting line. Yeah. Yeah. And it kind

02:50:31.250 --> 02:50:34.149
of, I mean, obviously Hamza Chemaev is a whole

02:50:34.149 --> 02:50:36.090
category of its own, but it sort of felt a little

02:50:36.090 --> 02:50:38.860
bit that level of domination on the ground. Yeah,

02:50:38.899 --> 02:50:41.100
the difference is Holloway was getting dominated

02:50:41.100 --> 02:50:44.180
on the feet, too. Oliveira's fucking dangerous

02:50:44.180 --> 02:50:47.079
as shit on the feet. I mean, he was better everywhere.

02:50:47.579 --> 02:50:49.940
Yeah. And he's bigger. He's a bigger guy. You

02:50:49.940 --> 02:50:52.299
could see that in the exchanges. Like, every

02:50:52.299 --> 02:50:54.700
time he got a clinch on Max, he just hoisted

02:50:54.700 --> 02:50:57.139
him up in the air and slammed him to the ground.

02:50:57.180 --> 02:50:59.239
It was so definitive. Right. That was a spectacular

02:50:59.239 --> 02:51:05.280
performance by Oliveira. It was. Concern going

02:51:05.280 --> 02:51:07.760
into that fight was I'd watched the Matthaus

02:51:07.760 --> 02:51:10.639
Gamrot fight with Oliveira. I'm like, Oliveira's

02:51:10.639 --> 02:51:12.979
as good, if not better, than he's ever been before.

02:51:13.200 --> 02:51:15.540
Gamrot is fucking dangerous, and he's a really

02:51:15.540 --> 02:51:17.340
good grappler. And they went to the ground, and

02:51:17.340 --> 02:51:20.319
he was lost. Oliveira was just tying him up in

02:51:20.319 --> 02:51:22.120
knots. He wasn't able to get anything off on

02:51:22.120 --> 02:51:24.200
Oliveira. I'm like, what is Max going to be able

02:51:24.200 --> 02:51:26.520
to do on the ground against this guy? And then

02:51:26.520 --> 02:51:28.920
when it comes to standing up... Justin Gaethje

02:51:28.920 --> 02:51:30.979
said no one ever hit him harder than Oliveira

02:51:30.979 --> 02:51:34.420
did. Oliveira, he carries big power in his punches

02:51:34.420 --> 02:51:37.700
and big power in his kicks too. He's so reckless

02:51:37.700 --> 02:51:39.360
on the feet. Not reckless, I should say, but

02:51:39.360 --> 02:51:42.040
so aggressive on the feet because he wants you

02:51:42.040 --> 02:51:44.079
to take him to the ground because he's the best

02:51:44.079 --> 02:51:45.479
submission artist in the history of the sport.

02:51:45.639 --> 02:51:47.840
He has more submissions than anyone ever in the

02:51:47.840 --> 02:51:50.399
history of the sport. The thing that you don't

02:51:50.399 --> 02:51:52.559
appreciate, you really kindly sorted out tickets

02:51:52.559 --> 02:51:56.959
for us in the UFC in New York. And you know these

02:51:56.959 --> 02:51:59.399
guys kick hard. You know they punch hard. But

02:51:59.399 --> 02:52:02.180
when you're there ringside and you feel the kick.

02:52:02.379 --> 02:52:04.399
Oh, yeah, you guys are close. That's the thing

02:52:04.399 --> 02:52:06.159
is when you're close, you can hear the slap.

02:52:07.059 --> 02:52:08.639
Do you know what happened, though, in New York?

02:52:08.700 --> 02:52:11.000
We sat down and then some guy that I didn't initially

02:52:11.000 --> 02:52:14.239
recognize came and sat in front of us. And that

02:52:14.239 --> 02:52:16.700
was Dylan Dannis. And he kicked off this whole

02:52:16.700 --> 02:52:20.120
thing. She sat literally right in front of us.

02:52:20.120 --> 02:52:21.719
Oh, you had a front row seat? Yeah, we did. So

02:52:21.719 --> 02:52:24.420
the actual fight. Oh, boy. Was that exciting?

02:52:25.479 --> 02:52:27.860
Yeah. Well, I just turned to the side and then

02:52:27.860 --> 02:52:30.239
there was this just giant brawl right in front

02:52:30.239 --> 02:52:32.239
of us all of a sudden. Those are very unfortunate.

02:52:32.420 --> 02:52:34.239
Yeah. I don't like those. Yeah. No, me neither.

02:52:34.420 --> 02:52:37.120
It was crazy. It was crazy. Well, Dylan Dennis,

02:52:37.260 --> 02:52:39.200
he knows how to get a lot of attention. Yeah.

02:52:39.540 --> 02:52:43.620
And I will say this. I don't agree with his behavior,

02:52:43.700 --> 02:52:46.340
but unlike a lot of online trolls, that guy actually

02:52:46.340 --> 02:52:47.959
does it in real life. Do you know what I mean?

02:52:48.020 --> 02:52:50.520
Right. He actually, I'm like, I don't like you.

02:52:50.540 --> 02:52:53.079
Dylan can fight. He can fight. He's a very good

02:52:53.079 --> 02:52:55.040
submission artist. He's a Marcelo Garcia black

02:52:55.040 --> 02:52:58.000
belt. He's very legit on the ground. Conor McGregor

02:52:58.000 --> 02:53:00.500
brought him in for training, like for a lot of

02:53:00.500 --> 02:53:03.139
his camps. Yeah. Are you excited for the White

02:53:03.139 --> 02:53:08.329
House card? That looks really good. Yes. It sounds

02:53:08.329 --> 02:53:10.750
crazy. I know it's going to be very high security

02:53:10.750 --> 02:53:14.270
and high stress and weird to have a fight at

02:53:14.270 --> 02:53:16.389
the White House in the middle of a fucking war.

02:53:16.549 --> 02:53:19.870
I would hope the war will be sorted out by June,

02:53:19.930 --> 02:53:23.270
but quite honestly, I'm not confident that that's

02:53:23.270 --> 02:53:25.909
going to be the case. No. Yeah. So that would

02:53:25.909 --> 02:53:27.969
be weird, having this very high -profile event

02:53:27.969 --> 02:53:29.750
where everybody's in one place at one time right

02:53:29.750 --> 02:53:32.409
there. I hadn't thought of that. Yeah. So you're

02:53:32.409 --> 02:53:34.069
not excited to be there? Well, that seems like

02:53:34.069 --> 02:53:37.229
you're asking for... Holy shit. I hadn't thought

02:53:37.229 --> 02:53:38.709
of that at all. How could you not think of that?

02:53:38.790 --> 02:53:40.670
Because I'm not going to be there. You're the

02:53:40.670 --> 02:53:42.229
one that has to think of it. I was just like,

02:53:42.329 --> 02:53:43.829
this is a great lineup. I look forward to the

02:53:43.829 --> 02:53:45.850
fights. Yeah. Because if you want to talk about

02:53:45.850 --> 02:53:47.850
Hidden Heart, I mean, Ilya Teporia, fuck me.

02:53:48.229 --> 02:53:51.290
That's when you think, like, Max Holloway and

02:53:51.290 --> 02:53:53.989
Charles Oliveira. Charles Oliveira dominates

02:53:53.989 --> 02:53:56.649
Max Holloway. And then you realize, like, how

02:53:56.649 --> 02:54:00.860
quickly Ilya Teporia... starched Charles Oliveira

02:54:00.860 --> 02:54:03.260
and you go how good is that guy right he's a

02:54:03.260 --> 02:54:06.459
once in a generation talent like he's he knocked

02:54:06.459 --> 02:54:11.920
out in three fights three all -time greats Volkanovski

02:54:11.920 --> 02:54:15.139
and then he knocks out Max Holloway and then

02:54:15.139 --> 02:54:17.889
he knocks out Charles Oliveira In two different

02:54:17.889 --> 02:54:20.510
weight classes, he knocks out three all -time

02:54:20.510 --> 02:54:23.049
greats, three fights in a row. And he's just

02:54:23.049 --> 02:54:26.690
definitive, starching of these guys. Like, he's

02:54:26.690 --> 02:54:29.590
a once -in -a -generation talent. And think how

02:54:29.590 --> 02:54:32.729
good Volk, how dominant Volk is. Like, how good

02:54:32.729 --> 02:54:35.229
he looked against Diego Lopez. How good Max Holloway

02:54:35.229 --> 02:54:37.809
looks all the time, especially in striking exchanges.

02:54:37.809 --> 02:54:41.010
Max is a very hard guy to hit, and Ilya just...

02:54:41.229 --> 02:54:44.469
dominated him. He's fucking spooky good and insanely

02:54:44.469 --> 02:54:47.889
confident. Insanely charismatic. Do you think

02:54:47.889 --> 02:54:51.229
part of it as well is just technique is so important?

02:54:51.450 --> 02:54:53.670
It's the most important thing because you look

02:54:53.670 --> 02:54:56.909
at Usyk when he came up against Fury and the

02:54:56.909 --> 02:54:59.569
first fight, I didn't give Usyk a prayer. Usyk

02:54:59.569 --> 02:55:02.809
is basically a glorified cruiserweight. And you

02:55:02.809 --> 02:55:06.389
look at Tyson Fury, 6 '8", undefeated. He comes

02:55:06.389 --> 02:55:08.270
from a traveler background. This is a guy who

02:55:08.270 --> 02:55:10.590
was taught to box from the age of three. They

02:55:10.590 --> 02:55:12.989
taught Traveller kids. They all taught how to

02:55:12.989 --> 02:55:14.809
fight. They know how to fight. They know how

02:55:14.809 --> 02:55:17.370
to throw punches. Boxing is in their blood. And

02:55:17.370 --> 02:55:19.590
you just saw that he was so technically supreme

02:55:19.590 --> 02:55:23.610
that Fury had no answer and lost consecutive

02:55:23.610 --> 02:55:25.930
fights against him. Yeah, and then look at what

02:55:25.930 --> 02:55:29.729
he did to Dubois. Usyk is special. I mean, he's

02:55:29.729 --> 02:55:33.190
basically a gigantic Lomachenko. Like, unbelievable

02:55:33.190 --> 02:55:35.409
movement. And he was trained by Lomachenko's

02:55:35.409 --> 02:55:39.989
father as well. Same trainer. Yeah. I mean, there's

02:55:39.989 --> 02:55:41.590
just people that are better than everybody else.

02:55:41.709 --> 02:55:43.750
And it seems like Ilya Teporia is one of those

02:55:43.750 --> 02:55:46.770
guys. He's just weirdly better than everybody

02:55:46.770 --> 02:55:50.090
else. And he can take it, too. Like, one of the

02:55:50.090 --> 02:55:52.069
fights that he had, so when he was competing

02:55:52.069 --> 02:55:53.709
at featherweight, he took a fight at lightweight

02:55:53.709 --> 02:55:56.850
against Jai Herbert. And Jai Herbert in the first

02:55:56.850 --> 02:56:00.090
round caught him with a perfect head kick, rocked

02:56:00.090 --> 02:56:03.049
him, dropped him. And Ilya Teporia wound up grabbing

02:56:03.049 --> 02:56:04.950
his legs, taking him down. They fought on the

02:56:04.950 --> 02:56:06.870
ground. And then the second round, Ilya just

02:56:06.870 --> 02:56:09.389
put him into the shadow realm. He hit him with

02:56:09.389 --> 02:56:12.129
a combination against the cage where he hit him

02:56:12.129 --> 02:56:13.930
with, I think it was a left hook to the body

02:56:13.930 --> 02:56:16.250
and a right overhand that just spun his head

02:56:16.250 --> 02:56:19.379
around. It was wild. I mean, face first, face

02:56:19.379 --> 02:56:24.379
planted. He's got freakish power. So it is technique.

02:56:24.540 --> 02:56:26.979
His technique is flawless. His technique in the

02:56:26.979 --> 02:56:29.360
grappling is flawless. Oh, is he good at grappling

02:56:29.360 --> 02:56:31.159
as well? He's phenomenal at grappling. Really?

02:56:31.219 --> 02:56:34.579
That's his main base. He started off as a grappler.

02:56:34.620 --> 02:56:36.639
Really? Yeah. I didn't even know that. Oh, yeah,

02:56:36.680 --> 02:56:38.020
yeah, yeah. And his early fights are just taking

02:56:38.020 --> 02:56:39.360
him down. Because you don't see that much nowadays.

02:56:39.479 --> 02:56:41.000
He just fucking knocks everyone out, basically,

02:56:41.000 --> 02:56:44.870
right? He's just... It's his mind. More than

02:56:44.870 --> 02:56:48.709
anything his confidence is real. It's not bluster

02:56:48.709 --> 02:56:52.610
like he's really sick He celebrates the fights

02:56:52.610 --> 02:56:55.370
the day before the fight. He has a celebration

02:56:55.370 --> 02:56:57.850
of his victory He did that against Charles Olivera.

02:56:57.850 --> 02:56:59.909
They all went to dinner. They're making toasts

02:56:59.909 --> 02:57:02.229
Celebrating his victory the night before the

02:57:02.229 --> 02:57:05.319
fight itself That's a high -risk strategy. It's

02:57:05.319 --> 02:57:06.940
a crazy thing. Meanwhile, he goes out and knocks

02:57:06.940 --> 02:57:08.440
him out in the first round. Who fucking knocks

02:57:08.440 --> 02:57:10.000
out Charles Oliveira in the first round like

02:57:10.000 --> 02:57:12.739
that? Especially now, like the Charles Oliveira

02:57:12.739 --> 02:57:17.200
of today. That's crazy. It's many things, but

02:57:17.200 --> 02:57:21.040
the mind that allowed him to get so elite at

02:57:21.040 --> 02:57:23.459
grappling also allowed him to get so elite at

02:57:23.459 --> 02:57:28.670
striking. It's setups and traps. It's not just

02:57:28.670 --> 02:57:31.870
throwing wild bombs. It's defense. His defense

02:57:31.870 --> 02:57:34.329
is fantastic. You saw that in the Josh Emmett

02:57:34.329 --> 02:57:37.329
fight. Josh Emmett, as far as one -punch power,

02:57:37.549 --> 02:57:40.090
he rivals everybody. You saw that fight where

02:57:40.090 --> 02:57:42.309
he knocked Bryce Mitchell out with a punch to

02:57:42.309 --> 02:57:45.129
the forehead. That guy hits so fucking hard.

02:57:45.270 --> 02:57:47.350
And when you look at it, it makes sense. I mean,

02:57:47.389 --> 02:57:50.989
he's a fucking tank. And Ilya Deporia just slipped

02:57:50.989 --> 02:57:53.129
away from everything, slipped away from everything,

02:57:53.190 --> 02:57:55.520
and then eventually just put it on him. He's

02:57:55.520 --> 02:57:58.680
great everywhere, man. He's great on the ground.

02:57:58.799 --> 02:58:01.040
He's great standing up. And more importantly,

02:58:01.180 --> 02:58:05.520
it's his mind. He doesn't make mistakes. He's

02:58:05.520 --> 02:58:09.940
just a force in there. He's the new breed. With

02:58:09.940 --> 02:58:13.899
every generation, every generation builds on

02:58:13.899 --> 02:58:15.860
the success of the previous generation. They

02:58:15.860 --> 02:58:18.719
all learn from the elites of the past. He's our

02:58:18.719 --> 02:58:21.840
version of what's possible now. Wow. He's that

02:58:21.840 --> 02:58:24.719
good. I was hoping. I was hoping for the White

02:58:24.719 --> 02:58:26.600
House card Dana would do something and pull Jon

02:58:26.600 --> 02:58:28.659
Jones out of the bag. I was hoping that as well.

02:58:28.920 --> 02:58:30.739
Yeah, I was hoping that as well. That would have

02:58:30.739 --> 02:58:33.180
been really special. Yeah, I don't know why that

02:58:33.180 --> 02:58:35.479
didn't happen. I don't know. I mean, there's

02:58:35.479 --> 02:58:38.459
Jon's version. There's the UFC's version. I don't

02:58:38.459 --> 02:58:41.159
know what was the stumbling block there. Well,

02:58:41.200 --> 02:58:42.799
I think it's fair to say him and Dana don't get

02:58:42.799 --> 02:58:46.159
on very well. I don't think it's that bad. They

02:58:46.159 --> 02:58:48.989
certainly could make a deal. I don't think it's

02:58:48.989 --> 02:58:51.469
as bad as, say, Francis Ngannou. The Francis

02:58:51.469 --> 02:58:53.829
Ngannou situation, Dana does not like him at

02:58:53.829 --> 02:58:55.690
all and won't do any business with him, period.

02:58:56.270 --> 02:58:58.530
Because that would be the fight, Francis Ngannou

02:58:58.530 --> 02:59:00.709
versus Jon Jones. Oh my goodness. Oh my word,

02:59:00.790 --> 02:59:02.629
that would be good. But also Alex Pereira versus

02:59:02.629 --> 02:59:06.629
Jon Jones would be the fight as well. A title

02:59:06.629 --> 02:59:09.069
doesn't mean anything. You could do the BMF heavyweight

02:59:09.069 --> 02:59:11.940
version. It doesn't matter. Like, just those

02:59:11.940 --> 02:59:15.100
two guys fighting. I mean, that would be—titles

02:59:15.100 --> 02:59:17.360
are irrelevant when you're dealing with the all

02:59:17.360 --> 02:59:19.459
-time great in Jon Jones, the greatest of all

02:59:19.459 --> 02:59:22.260
time. And then Alex Pereira, a generational talent

02:59:22.260 --> 02:59:24.819
who's the most devastating striker we've ever

02:59:24.819 --> 02:59:27.000
seen inside the sport. I mean, as you look at

02:59:27.000 --> 02:59:29.239
Ilya, I mean, Ilya's phenomenal, but Ilya's,

02:59:29.260 --> 02:59:33.120
like, more complete as a fighter. But Alex is

02:59:33.120 --> 02:59:35.760
freaky. Did I ever tell you what Mark Goddard

02:59:35.760 --> 02:59:40.180
said when he fought Khalil Rountree? So he beats—

02:59:40.409 --> 02:59:42.790
Khalil Rountree up, and they stop the fight,

02:59:42.909 --> 02:59:46.049
and then Mark Goddard grabs me. As I go into

02:59:46.049 --> 02:59:48.870
the octagon, he goes, the sound it makes when

02:59:48.870 --> 02:59:52.850
he hits them is ungodly. That's what he said.

02:59:52.930 --> 02:59:55.430
He goes, mate, I've been doing this for 20 years.

02:59:55.809 --> 02:59:58.950
He goes, I've seen it all. He goes, it's different.

02:59:59.370 --> 03:00:03.010
The sound, the impact is like he's a freak, man.

03:00:03.190 --> 03:00:05.930
That guy, he's a physical freak. I mean, he's

03:00:05.930 --> 03:00:09.649
a real genuine Amazon warrior who's just built

03:00:09.649 --> 03:00:12.270
different than other people. You know, I'm sure

03:00:12.270 --> 03:00:14.809
you've seen him punch that machine. Yeah. Where

03:00:14.809 --> 03:00:18.450
he gets like 190. Francis Ngannou got like 129.

03:00:18.629 --> 03:00:22.729
What? And he got 190. Yeah. Holy shit. Yeah,

03:00:22.790 --> 03:00:25.709
no, it's freak power. I did not enjoy watching

03:00:25.709 --> 03:00:27.549
the end of that Khalil Rountree fight. I'm not

03:00:27.549 --> 03:00:30.049
going to lie. That was rough. And Khalil Rountree

03:00:30.049 --> 03:00:32.510
is like a fucking animal. He's a warrior. He's

03:00:32.510 --> 03:00:34.389
just a warrior. I mean, he knew going into that

03:00:34.389 --> 03:00:36.250
fight, he was willing to go out on his shield.

03:00:36.409 --> 03:00:39.090
He wasn't afraid. And he went after him. He went

03:00:39.090 --> 03:00:41.729
after him. He did. But the consequences of getting

03:00:41.729 --> 03:00:44.409
hit. And then Alex was starting to tune him up

03:00:44.409 --> 03:00:46.909
at the end where he was leaning away from shots

03:00:46.909 --> 03:00:49.010
and then countering and leaning away from shots

03:00:49.010 --> 03:00:51.790
and countering. He was in his flow. state and

03:00:51.790 --> 03:00:54.270
that's where it got real spooky because Khalil

03:00:54.270 --> 03:00:56.450
became like a sitting target and with each shot

03:00:56.450 --> 03:00:58.110
his ability to get out of the way diminished

03:00:58.110 --> 03:01:01.049
with each kick that landed his ability to move

03:01:01.049 --> 03:01:03.790
diminished and it got spooky yeah and then it

03:01:03.790 --> 03:01:06.170
becomes a dilemma for the referee yeah like when

03:01:06.170 --> 03:01:09.770
do you actually step in because look there's

03:01:09.770 --> 03:01:12.389
a consent for the fighter to be there and to

03:01:12.389 --> 03:01:14.350
take part in the fight, but there comes a point

03:01:14.350 --> 03:01:16.690
where you have to step in for the fighter's own

03:01:16.690 --> 03:01:18.790
health. Yeah, there comes a point where you realize

03:01:18.790 --> 03:01:20.389
they can't defend themselves anymore, and they're

03:01:20.389 --> 03:01:23.129
getting just tuned up, and that was the end of

03:01:23.129 --> 03:01:24.729
the fight. I mean, that was the right time to

03:01:24.729 --> 03:01:27.629
stop it, but it was a hard watch. It was, but

03:01:27.629 --> 03:01:30.209
then you get fights like Usman versus Leon Edwards,

03:01:30.450 --> 03:01:33.030
where he's getting smashed for five rounds, and

03:01:33.030 --> 03:01:34.790
he just fucking pulls a kick out at the last

03:01:34.790 --> 03:01:37.079
minute and knocks him out. But he wasn't getting

03:01:37.079 --> 03:01:39.540
smashed. Not the way Khalil Rowntree was at the

03:01:39.540 --> 03:01:42.760
end. He was getting beat. He was getting beat,

03:01:42.860 --> 03:01:45.479
yeah. But he wasn't in danger of getting stopped

03:01:45.479 --> 03:01:48.659
or really hurt badly. But that's why we all watch

03:01:48.659 --> 03:01:50.760
it, because it's that knowledge that anything

03:01:50.760 --> 03:01:54.780
can happen. You know, Hakeem Rahman versus Lennox

03:01:54.780 --> 03:01:59.000
Lewis. No one gave Hakeem a prayer when he went

03:01:59.000 --> 03:02:02.440
in. Lennox is a supreme fighter, Olympic gold

03:02:02.440 --> 03:02:05.020
medalist, one of the greatest to ever do it.

03:02:05.549 --> 03:02:08.430
And then that one punch he hit flushed on Lennox's

03:02:08.430 --> 03:02:10.250
jaw and he was out. I remember watching it going,

03:02:10.430 --> 03:02:12.950
I mean, no one saw that. Especially in the heavyweight

03:02:12.950 --> 03:02:15.409
division. One punch with those guys. Yeah. It's

03:02:15.409 --> 03:02:17.149
why I really like it because in our world, like,

03:02:17.170 --> 03:02:19.069
you know, if I do a debate, everyone talks shit

03:02:19.069 --> 03:02:21.450
to each other. And like, you know, everyone talks

03:02:21.450 --> 03:02:22.930
shit, then they go have a debate, everyone still

03:02:22.930 --> 03:02:25.819
talks shit afterwards. In combat sports, everyone

03:02:25.819 --> 03:02:27.979
talks shit and then you find out. Right. Yeah.

03:02:28.559 --> 03:02:31.620
It's very definitive. You win or you lose. It's

03:02:31.620 --> 03:02:33.659
not subject to other people's interpretations.

03:02:34.180 --> 03:02:36.219
Because like you'll see that in debates too.

03:02:36.440 --> 03:02:40.059
Like I'll see a debate where I think like for

03:02:40.059 --> 03:02:42.379
you, for example, well, you clearly won the debate.

03:02:42.520 --> 03:02:44.520
And then I'll see people say you got owned. Right.

03:02:44.620 --> 03:02:47.799
And all the people who agree with me say I dominated.

03:02:47.799 --> 03:02:49.319
And all the people who agree with the other guy

03:02:49.319 --> 03:02:51.639
say he dominated. Yeah. And you'll see these

03:02:51.639 --> 03:02:54.389
pundits. And that's a weird. economy, right?

03:02:54.549 --> 03:02:56.809
There's a weird economy of commentators on other

03:02:56.809 --> 03:03:00.709
people's exchanges. And that is a weird sport.

03:03:00.930 --> 03:03:03.270
It's a weird... You've made loads of careers.

03:03:03.389 --> 03:03:05.290
There's loads of people. Joe Rogan said this

03:03:05.290 --> 03:03:07.489
on his podcast. That's the entire content. They

03:03:07.489 --> 03:03:09.850
work for me. They don't even know it. They do.

03:03:09.909 --> 03:03:12.870
They make me more famous. Right. You're getting

03:03:12.870 --> 03:03:15.110
all the kickbacks. Also, you get to see what

03:03:15.110 --> 03:03:17.530
kind of a person they are, right? And they're

03:03:17.530 --> 03:03:19.989
silly, bitchy people. You go like, well, those

03:03:19.989 --> 03:03:22.129
silly, bitchy people don't like him. Or maybe

03:03:22.129 --> 03:03:24.110
someone who you agree with doesn't like me. Like,

03:03:24.190 --> 03:03:26.129
oh, I don't like him anymore. Yeah. Which is

03:03:26.129 --> 03:03:29.049
fine. But it's like that economy of commenting

03:03:29.049 --> 03:03:32.340
on other people constantly. problem with that

03:03:32.340 --> 03:03:35.059
is you've always put yourself in a position of

03:03:35.059 --> 03:03:39.500
an outsider. Like me, when it comes to combat

03:03:39.500 --> 03:03:42.639
sports, I'm a commentator. That's all I do. I

03:03:42.639 --> 03:03:44.899
can't fight. I'm 58. I'm not going in there.

03:03:45.959 --> 03:03:48.559
I'm always going to be in this position of only

03:03:48.559 --> 03:03:52.840
being an observer and a commentator. For those

03:03:52.840 --> 03:03:54.840
people that are commentating on these debates,

03:03:55.079 --> 03:03:57.979
a lot of them probably fancy themselves intellectual

03:03:57.979 --> 03:04:00.379
gladiators. They just don't get the opportunity

03:04:00.379 --> 03:04:02.819
to. do it and occasionally they do and they usually

03:04:02.819 --> 03:04:04.860
get trounced yeah because really they're not

03:04:04.860 --> 03:04:06.200
that good which is why they're commenting in

03:04:06.200 --> 03:04:07.979
the first place and why they have these fucking

03:04:07.979 --> 03:04:11.440
stupid hot takes well you know the frustrating

03:04:11.440 --> 03:04:14.319
thing for me with the debates nowadays is how

03:04:14.319 --> 03:04:16.739
few people want to have an actual discussion

03:04:16.739 --> 03:04:20.040
right it was so refreshing we last time we came

03:04:20.040 --> 03:04:22.440
here we had dave smith on our show i don't know

03:04:22.440 --> 03:04:25.459
if you saw that one yeah i did yeah we loved

03:04:25.459 --> 03:04:27.680
it it was great we loved it and dave enjoyed

03:04:27.680 --> 03:04:31.520
it and And, you know, it was weird because we

03:04:31.520 --> 03:04:33.319
obviously have lots of different perspectives

03:04:33.319 --> 03:04:35.120
on things. But afterwards, a lot of people were

03:04:35.120 --> 03:04:36.979
like, oh, I can't believe you had Dave on. And

03:04:36.979 --> 03:04:39.860
I said to all of them, listen, Dave's only crime

03:04:39.860 --> 03:04:42.159
is that he has a different opinion to you. Because

03:04:42.159 --> 03:04:45.000
apart from that, he comes in, he shows up, he's

03:04:45.000 --> 03:04:47.899
super nice, he's respectful, he's polite. He

03:04:47.899 --> 03:04:50.500
doesn't do any dirty tricks. He doesn't argue

03:04:50.500 --> 03:04:53.280
about the definitions of words for 10 minutes.

03:04:53.850 --> 03:04:55.930
Right. He just goes, here's my opinion. Here's

03:04:55.930 --> 03:04:57.989
your opinion. Let's discuss. Yeah. And that's

03:04:57.989 --> 03:05:00.729
how conversations should happen. Right. But so

03:05:00.729 --> 03:05:04.389
much of the debate stuff now is not people aren't

03:05:04.389 --> 03:05:06.010
discussing the issues. They've just like decided

03:05:06.010 --> 03:05:08.010
you're a bad person. And that's what they're

03:05:08.010 --> 03:05:09.649
trying to achieve. They're trying to get a cheap

03:05:09.649 --> 03:05:11.770
laugh from the audience that they're playing

03:05:11.770 --> 03:05:14.010
to who's not even in the room because they know

03:05:14.010 --> 03:05:15.409
their retard followers are going to watch it

03:05:15.409 --> 03:05:17.329
online afterwards and be like, oh, he owned them.

03:05:17.690 --> 03:05:21.120
But where did we get to? Well, it's just. I mean,

03:05:21.139 --> 03:05:23.100
it's just some people that are doing that, you

03:05:23.100 --> 03:05:25.059
know, and those people, that's all they can do.

03:05:25.139 --> 03:05:27.180
That's why they do it that way. Right. You know,

03:05:27.180 --> 03:05:29.620
if they were really intellectually compelling

03:05:29.620 --> 03:05:33.020
and if they were like smart people, like I don't

03:05:33.020 --> 03:05:36.500
want enemies. Like if I can have a sane, rational,

03:05:36.879 --> 03:05:39.280
peaceful discussion with someone where we disagree

03:05:39.280 --> 03:05:41.500
with something, I would greatly prefer that than

03:05:41.500 --> 03:05:43.420
have someone who's insulting me and I'm insulting

03:05:43.420 --> 03:05:45.079
them. We're trying to like get off on each other.

03:05:45.139 --> 03:05:48.440
Like why? Yeah. I'm busy. Yeah. I have things

03:05:48.440 --> 03:05:50.780
to do. Like I don't need. that kind of bullshit

03:05:50.780 --> 03:05:53.379
in my life. And I don't mind when someone disagrees

03:05:53.379 --> 03:05:56.520
with me. I think it's healthy. I also want to

03:05:56.520 --> 03:05:58.440
know why you think the way you think, genuinely.

03:05:58.920 --> 03:06:01.680
You know what I see as an opportunity? Because

03:06:01.680 --> 03:06:04.540
we all have blind spots. We all have blind spots.

03:06:04.659 --> 03:06:06.500
We all have biases. I don't care who you are,

03:06:06.559 --> 03:06:07.959
how smart you are. You have biases. You have

03:06:07.959 --> 03:06:12.420
blind spots. Not me, mate. I know everything.

03:06:13.239 --> 03:06:16.079
But when someone goes, well, actually, Francis,

03:06:16.299 --> 03:06:18.579
you say this, but what about this? Have you thought

03:06:18.579 --> 03:06:19.979
about this? Have you read about this? I'm like,

03:06:20.079 --> 03:06:23.260
no. Maybe you should. Right. And maybe you actually

03:06:23.260 --> 03:06:25.819
maybe won't change your opinion, but certainly

03:06:25.819 --> 03:06:28.420
have a more nuanced opinion. True. Yeah. But

03:06:28.420 --> 03:06:31.000
also we're talking about shit that actually matters,

03:06:31.159 --> 03:06:35.120
you know, and it deserves to be taken seriously.

03:06:35.139 --> 03:06:38.540
Yeah. Well, the answer is don't engage with those

03:06:38.540 --> 03:06:40.680
certain people. Yeah. You know, I'm learning

03:06:40.680 --> 03:06:42.290
that. Yeah, we were having a conversation about

03:06:42.290 --> 03:06:44.629
one particular individual where I'm like, why?

03:06:45.049 --> 03:06:47.590
Don't bother. I can't believe you. I didn't say

03:06:47.590 --> 03:06:49.209
anything about that discussion because I was

03:06:49.209 --> 03:06:50.469
just like, I don't want anyone to waste their

03:06:50.469 --> 03:06:53.049
fucking time watching it. It was awful. I'm fascinated

03:06:53.049 --> 03:06:55.290
by that too, though, because I'm fascinated by

03:06:55.290 --> 03:06:58.030
these people that are doing that, where they're

03:06:58.030 --> 03:07:00.950
just trying to win and use tricks and be sneaky.

03:07:01.229 --> 03:07:03.770
Because they think of discourse in a completely

03:07:03.770 --> 03:07:06.049
different way. Right. They think about the whole

03:07:06.049 --> 03:07:07.450
thing in a completely different way. They're

03:07:07.450 --> 03:07:10.770
completely ideologically captured. The place

03:07:10.770 --> 03:07:13.530
they're starting from is I want to prove this

03:07:13.530 --> 03:07:16.829
to be correct, not I want to know why this person

03:07:16.829 --> 03:07:18.530
believes it to be incorrect and I want to find

03:07:18.530 --> 03:07:21.290
out if maybe we have common ground and maybe

03:07:21.290 --> 03:07:23.950
they know something I don't or maybe I know something

03:07:23.950 --> 03:07:26.850
they don't. Let's find out. You know what I really

03:07:26.850 --> 03:07:28.770
want? And Constance and I have talked about it

03:07:28.770 --> 03:07:30.989
a lot. I want somebody on the left to come out.

03:07:31.309 --> 03:07:33.989
and be brilliant at debating and go to people

03:07:33.989 --> 03:07:35.549
on the right, well, you say this and you say

03:07:35.549 --> 03:07:37.510
this, but actually, let's look at this, let's

03:07:37.510 --> 03:07:40.430
look at that, and be a genuine intellectual force.

03:07:40.750 --> 03:07:43.129
And what I despair of is I haven't seen anyone

03:07:43.129 --> 03:07:46.010
be from the left like that in basically a generation.

03:07:46.290 --> 03:07:48.850
I think the generation that you're talking about

03:07:48.850 --> 03:07:51.409
has been captured by some certain narratives

03:07:51.409 --> 03:07:53.629
that you have to agree to that aren't rational.

03:07:53.909 --> 03:07:57.340
So as soon as you do that and you... align yourself

03:07:57.340 --> 03:08:00.280
with this particular ideology, you're already

03:08:00.280 --> 03:08:03.399
saying I'm willing to believe some shit that

03:08:03.399 --> 03:08:05.620
doesn't make any sense at all because this is

03:08:05.620 --> 03:08:07.899
the only way to be accepted by my tribe. That

03:08:07.899 --> 03:08:10.780
intellectually compromises you. And that also,

03:08:10.959 --> 03:08:12.979
I think, humiliates you in a certain way. It

03:08:12.979 --> 03:08:14.680
puts you in a position where you're saying something

03:08:14.680 --> 03:08:17.200
that you know can't be true. So you set up blind

03:08:17.200 --> 03:08:19.479
spots. Do you think they know it's not true?

03:08:19.639 --> 03:08:21.719
I think there's got to be a part of them that

03:08:21.719 --> 03:08:23.420
realizes there's a good argument that it's not

03:08:23.420 --> 03:08:26.360
true. Especially when it comes to transgender

03:08:26.360 --> 03:08:30.200
stuff or border stuff. There's certain things

03:08:30.200 --> 03:08:33.520
where there's no real good faith argument that

03:08:33.520 --> 03:08:35.540
you should have an open border and allow fucking

03:08:35.540 --> 03:08:37.559
any psychopath to come across the border and

03:08:37.559 --> 03:08:40.459
invade your community. That seems crazy. That

03:08:40.459 --> 03:08:42.540
seems crazy. If you understand anything about

03:08:42.540 --> 03:08:45.219
human nature and the nature of the world and

03:08:45.219 --> 03:08:48.889
the level of poverty and crime, that exists outside

03:08:48.889 --> 03:08:51.209
of the United States, particularly in third world

03:08:51.209 --> 03:08:52.930
countries where you're just allowing people.

03:08:52.930 --> 03:08:54.329
I thought you were talking about Canada there,

03:08:54.370 --> 03:08:58.049
Joe. I'm all for them evading. They should come

03:08:58.049 --> 03:09:00.389
over. They should bail on their country until

03:09:00.389 --> 03:09:02.510
it gets better. I just ask you because I would

03:09:02.510 --> 03:09:05.350
find it so hard to go on stage in front of, well,

03:09:05.409 --> 03:09:07.229
what is now hundreds of thousands of people by

03:09:07.229 --> 03:09:09.309
the time it goes on the internet, right? And

03:09:09.309 --> 03:09:12.530
just vigorously defend something I didn't. Well,

03:09:12.969 --> 03:09:14.590
that's because you're smart. And I think the

03:09:14.590 --> 03:09:16.549
problem is a lot of these people aren't really

03:09:16.549 --> 03:09:20.170
intelligent. What they are is a person who has

03:09:20.170 --> 03:09:23.549
a good vocabulary, who's acquired a certain amount

03:09:23.549 --> 03:09:27.049
of technique and skill involved in talking really

03:09:27.049 --> 03:09:30.989
fast and spouting things that they've seen online,

03:09:31.370 --> 03:09:33.350
a bunch of narratives. Like one of the things

03:09:33.350 --> 03:09:36.569
that people love to do is if you're talking to

03:09:36.569 --> 03:09:37.969
anyone that's on the right, they want to say,

03:09:38.049 --> 03:09:42.840
you know, you support us. 34 -time convicted

03:09:42.840 --> 03:09:46.760
felon. There's a lot of things that they like

03:09:46.760 --> 03:09:48.860
to say. There's techniques involved. Instead

03:09:48.860 --> 03:09:51.360
of discussing, anybody that looked at the actual

03:09:51.360 --> 03:09:53.979
Trump case, if you're rational and you're on

03:09:53.979 --> 03:09:56.340
the left, you say, that's a crazy case. There's

03:09:56.340 --> 03:09:58.559
no way that should be a felony. It's not a felony.

03:09:58.700 --> 03:10:00.659
There are 34 different misdemeanors. And it's

03:10:00.659 --> 03:10:03.239
also, it's past the statute of limitations. This

03:10:03.239 --> 03:10:06.479
is a craziest, egregious misuse of justice. And

03:10:06.479 --> 03:10:08.680
the scary thing is, if someone on the right gets

03:10:08.680 --> 03:10:10.100
in, they decide to do that to someone on the

03:10:10.100 --> 03:10:11.290
left. Like, you got to... put your foot down,

03:10:11.370 --> 03:10:13.430
stop that from happening. The Russia, Russia,

03:10:13.430 --> 03:10:16.510
Russia stuff. All that stuff, the Russiagate

03:10:16.510 --> 03:10:19.110
stuff. That's kind of crazy that someone on the

03:10:19.110 --> 03:10:21.049
left doesn't call that out and say, hey guys,

03:10:21.149 --> 03:10:24.209
this is fucking dangerous because if you're lying

03:10:24.209 --> 03:10:26.870
and you're having intelligence agencies lie and

03:10:26.870 --> 03:10:29.290
you're having people lie on television and you're

03:10:29.290 --> 03:10:31.790
just accepting that, why, because it's your side?

03:10:32.350 --> 03:10:34.270
They're supporting your side? That's why. That's

03:10:34.270 --> 03:10:37.149
crazy. That's why. And I find that very strange

03:10:37.149 --> 03:10:40.409
because what they do is they pivot to that. which

03:10:40.409 --> 03:10:42.649
is not relevant to the conversation we're having.

03:10:42.770 --> 03:10:44.889
We're talking about, you know, is it right to

03:10:44.889 --> 03:10:46.909
do these strikes on Iran or is it this or is

03:10:46.909 --> 03:10:48.969
it that? You know, what's the situation in the

03:10:48.969 --> 03:10:51.850
Middle East or whatever? How does bringing up

03:10:51.850 --> 03:10:55.229
Trump's convictions or otherwise change that?

03:10:55.270 --> 03:10:57.809
It doesn't affect that conversation. Or the border

03:10:57.809 --> 03:11:00.229
or the trans thing or any of the other things.

03:11:00.309 --> 03:11:02.530
And that's the thing is like, can we just argue

03:11:02.530 --> 03:11:06.250
the fucking point? I think at a certain point

03:11:06.250 --> 03:11:08.850
in time, you're going to have to choose real

03:11:08.850 --> 03:11:12.149
opponents. It's like a Jake Paul thing. But see,

03:11:12.250 --> 03:11:14.370
I want the real opponents. But where are they?

03:11:14.489 --> 03:11:17.190
And we've had people on the show where it's like

03:11:17.190 --> 03:11:20.229
we had this woman from the Guilty Feminist podcast.

03:11:20.430 --> 03:11:22.829
And she came on and we gave her 40 minutes. She

03:11:22.829 --> 03:11:26.170
basically laid out her whole vision. And it was

03:11:26.170 --> 03:11:28.450
respectful and polite. And it was a great conversation,

03:11:28.610 --> 03:11:30.889
actually. The moment I said, well. you know,

03:11:30.909 --> 03:11:32.850
you've been speaking for this time. Here's some

03:11:32.850 --> 03:11:34.409
of the things that I see that don't make sense

03:11:34.409 --> 03:11:36.309
in my head. Can you help me out? Immediately

03:11:36.309 --> 03:11:39.770
goes personal. Immediately. Yeah. And that's

03:11:39.770 --> 03:11:42.409
what Francis is saying. Like, I'd love to see

03:11:42.409 --> 03:11:46.350
people who have an ability to argue the point.

03:11:46.690 --> 03:11:50.229
Yeah. And that's what Dave does. He argues the

03:11:50.229 --> 03:11:52.329
point and that's either persuasive to you or

03:11:52.329 --> 03:11:54.930
it isn't. But I think the problem is their point

03:11:54.930 --> 03:11:57.610
is not very good. Yeah. Yeah. I think that is

03:11:57.610 --> 03:11:59.690
the problem. Yeah. And so you have to go personal.

03:11:59.790 --> 03:12:01.469
You have to attack people. You have to use ad

03:12:01.469 --> 03:12:03.549
hominems. It's the only way you can get anything

03:12:03.549 --> 03:12:05.370
off. And then you try to get that person emotional

03:12:05.370 --> 03:12:08.049
and trap them. So why don't they change their

03:12:08.049 --> 03:12:10.489
opinion then? It's a good question because if

03:12:10.489 --> 03:12:12.909
you're ideologically captured, especially if

03:12:12.909 --> 03:12:14.969
you're on the left, like it's a very clear ideology

03:12:14.969 --> 03:12:18.690
and there's like real blowback for deviating

03:12:18.690 --> 03:12:21.100
from it. Yeah. As we know, right? Yeah. Because

03:12:21.100 --> 03:12:24.100
the moment you say, well, you're no longer on

03:12:24.100 --> 03:12:25.940
the left anymore. Right, right. Well, a lot of

03:12:25.940 --> 03:12:27.700
people have been kicked out of it. Yeah. A lot

03:12:27.700 --> 03:12:30.659
of people have been pushed into some weird quasi

03:12:30.659 --> 03:12:34.219
-homeless land. Well, that's how we all ended

03:12:34.219 --> 03:12:36.120
up as like right -wing. It was like, fuck off

03:12:36.120 --> 03:12:37.739
with this shit. Yeah, fuck off with this shit.

03:12:37.799 --> 03:12:40.899
You know, 20 years ago, all the stuff that we

03:12:40.899 --> 03:12:44.520
talk about, it wasn't just like not right -wing.

03:12:44.700 --> 03:12:49.520
No one questioned. Do you remember 25 years ago

03:12:49.520 --> 03:12:51.100
people running around going, we need an open

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border? Right. Right? Or like you can change

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your sex by just going like abracadabra. Right.

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No one said that. Right. And so we went right

03:13:00.020 --> 03:13:03.090
wing for like going, that's crazy. I know. You

03:13:03.090 --> 03:13:05.510
know, the most bizarre thing is watching all

03:13:05.510 --> 03:13:08.110
these kind of left -wing lesbian feminists be

03:13:08.110 --> 03:13:10.170
described as right -wing and getting kicked out.

03:13:10.290 --> 03:13:13.489
JK Rowling is an answer. Martina Navratilova.

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Fuck my life. There's a journalist called Julie

03:13:17.229 --> 03:13:18.729
Bindle, used to write The Guardian, one of the

03:13:18.729 --> 03:13:20.829
most left -wing journalists, and she's lesbian,

03:13:20.950 --> 03:13:23.469
and she criticised, like, and she was like the

03:13:23.469 --> 03:13:26.790
trans movement. That was it. Out the door. It

03:13:26.790 --> 03:13:28.450
doesn't matter what you've done before. It doesn't

03:13:28.450 --> 03:13:30.670
matter you've done all this incredible work with

03:13:30.670 --> 03:13:32.819
women and females. prisons well it's because

03:13:32.819 --> 03:13:35.700
it's a cult i mean it's essentially like a religious

03:13:35.700 --> 03:13:41.120
ideology like they they will not take any heretics

03:13:41.120 --> 03:13:43.379
like anybody that deviates from whatever their

03:13:43.379 --> 03:13:45.700
doctrine is like you're out you're out forever

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And that scares people. So that's one of the

03:13:48.409 --> 03:13:51.270
reasons why they're willing to comply and follow

03:13:51.270 --> 03:13:54.389
some of this goofy shit and say no one's illegal

03:13:54.389 --> 03:13:57.270
on stolen land. What's interesting is it doesn't

03:13:57.270 --> 03:13:59.030
happen on the right nearly the same way. Like

03:13:59.030 --> 03:14:01.209
you can see it now. The right is engaged in a

03:14:01.209 --> 03:14:06.370
fierce debate internally. And people fucking

03:14:06.370 --> 03:14:08.629
argue and they hash it out. And then they go

03:14:08.629 --> 03:14:10.649
have a beer afterwards. I think they're doing

03:14:10.649 --> 03:14:12.469
it just the same way. Just the same? I think

03:14:12.469 --> 03:14:15.760
it's a human thing. Yeah, I think there's people

03:14:15.760 --> 03:14:17.459
on the right that do it just the same way. There's

03:14:17.459 --> 03:14:19.659
people that call people out for not being MAGA

03:14:19.659 --> 03:14:21.700
enough, you know? Yeah. It's just like right

03:14:21.700 --> 03:14:24.200
now the whole thing's in turmoil, whereas there's

03:14:24.200 --> 03:14:26.440
not really the same kind of turmoil on the left

03:14:26.440 --> 03:14:29.299
where there's internal debate. The turmoil on

03:14:29.299 --> 03:14:31.420
the left is the left. Versus the right. Yeah.

03:14:31.540 --> 03:14:34.420
The turmoil on the right right now. I think there's

03:14:34.420 --> 03:14:37.159
a lot of people right versus right. And they're

03:14:37.159 --> 03:14:39.500
trying to find out like. And I think there's

03:14:39.500 --> 03:14:40.860
a lot of people that don't believe what they're

03:14:40.860 --> 03:14:42.739
saying either. They're just trying to find a

03:14:42.739 --> 03:14:44.540
thing that aligns with the biggest audience.

03:14:44.840 --> 03:14:47.200
I think that's definitely happening. I also think,

03:14:47.200 --> 03:14:50.959
though, internal debate within a big, broad church

03:14:50.959 --> 03:14:52.559
movement is a good thing. Because what you're

03:14:52.559 --> 03:14:54.920
arguing about is like, what is the right direction?

03:14:55.040 --> 03:14:57.620
Yep. You know? Yeah. And I do think that is more

03:14:57.620 --> 03:15:00.870
healthy. I think working out what it is that,

03:15:00.889 --> 03:15:04.489
like, whatever, if you're on the right, we believe.

03:15:05.549 --> 03:15:08.090
I'm not on the right, but as I see that, I do

03:15:08.090 --> 03:15:10.389
think that's a healthy thing to do because you're

03:15:10.389 --> 03:15:12.309
arguing about the direction of that movement.

03:15:12.510 --> 03:15:15.229
And I think that's much healthier than what happens

03:15:15.229 --> 03:15:17.069
on the left where it's just like, well, if you

03:15:17.069 --> 03:15:19.069
don't agree with this wacky idea that's far,

03:15:19.149 --> 03:15:21.270
far out there, then you're no longer part of

03:15:21.270 --> 03:15:22.989
this. But I think the good thing about these

03:15:22.989 --> 03:15:26.530
debates is it exposes that. And anybody who's

03:15:26.530 --> 03:15:29.889
objective, especially anybody that is, you know,

03:15:29.909 --> 03:15:32.649
a swing voter or anybody who's in the middle

03:15:32.649 --> 03:15:34.450
of all this, which is a lot of people, a lot

03:15:34.450 --> 03:15:36.229
of people. Most people, I think. Right. Yeah.

03:15:36.229 --> 03:15:37.709
Most people are kind of in the middle and most

03:15:37.709 --> 03:15:40.930
most political issues. They get to see how crazy

03:15:40.930 --> 03:15:44.149
some of the shit is and it makes them less likely

03:15:44.149 --> 03:15:47.610
to follow. You know, but it's also as well from

03:15:47.610 --> 03:15:51.190
a neutral perspective. And I mentioned the point

03:15:51.190 --> 03:15:54.360
about I want a strong left. I want a strong left

03:15:54.360 --> 03:15:56.659
which has got good ideas about how to tackle

03:15:56.659 --> 03:15:58.280
things which are really important, like inequality,

03:15:58.700 --> 03:16:01.979
like the cost of living. How do we make it that...

03:16:02.329 --> 03:16:05.110
people can actually have a better standard of

03:16:05.110 --> 03:16:07.729
life, where if a woman wants to stay at home

03:16:07.729 --> 03:16:10.010
with her kids, she can do that, which they then

03:16:10.010 --> 03:16:13.069
have to go out and have to work and put the kids

03:16:13.069 --> 03:16:15.329
in daycare, which then leads to a whole host

03:16:15.329 --> 03:16:18.250
of problems. How can we have a better world for

03:16:18.250 --> 03:16:20.489
ordinary people, which is what the left always

03:16:20.489 --> 03:16:24.270
used to be? We need a strong left to then challenge

03:16:24.270 --> 03:16:26.850
the right so that the center becomes a more fertile

03:16:26.850 --> 03:16:29.510
ground. And if we don't have that, if we have

03:16:29.510 --> 03:16:32.500
these crazy loons on the left, then what we have

03:16:32.500 --> 03:16:35.100
is a right which will come to dominate, which

03:16:35.100 --> 03:16:37.120
I don't think is good for society as a whole.

03:16:37.180 --> 03:16:39.079
I'm going to be honest with you. No, it's never

03:16:39.079 --> 03:16:43.680
good if one party, left or right, is completely

03:16:43.680 --> 03:16:47.120
dominant. It's not good. You need checks, right?

03:16:47.299 --> 03:16:50.180
And the right has its share of crazies too, as

03:16:50.180 --> 03:16:52.590
we've been talking about. 100%. Praise Jesus.

03:16:53.350 --> 03:16:55.270
We've got to wrap this up. Gentlemen, I love

03:16:55.270 --> 03:16:57.409
you guys. Very quickly. Oh, your book. Yeah,

03:16:57.450 --> 03:17:00.250
I've got a book. It's called Uneducated, My Life

03:17:00.250 --> 03:17:02.549
as a Teacher and Why You Should Never Become

03:17:02.549 --> 03:17:06.149
One and Never is in Bold. An inspiring story.

03:17:06.409 --> 03:17:08.850
Francis Foster. All right. I love you guys. It's

03:17:08.850 --> 03:17:10.069
always great to see you. Thank you very much,

03:17:10.149 --> 03:17:10.950
man. Bye, everybody.