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Welcome to this curated educational transcript of the Joe Rogan Experience. In this session, we provide a deep-dive examination of the critical perspectives and historical dialogues presented in Episode #2464. Our mission is to offer a high-fidelity, searchable research resource for students of cultural history, emerging technology, and global discourse. This transcript has been specifically optimized for academic reference, linguistic study, and archival preservation regarding Global Media Trends, Creative Industry Evolution, and Performance Arts Research
Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan

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experience. Train by day. Joe Rogan podcast by

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night. All day. I won't lie. I am nervous to

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talk to you. Come on. How can you be nervous?

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That's ridiculous. Like I came in slightly intimidated.

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Why? I actually don't know the answer to that

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because we've never met. Yeah. So it's not like.

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You've intimidated me, but I just I'm really

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I think what I really enjoy about your show is

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just such an eclectic perspective on so many

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diverse things. And it comes like so naturally

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to you. I really admire that. Well, fortunately,

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I don't have anybody pick my guests. So it's

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all people that I'm actually interested in talking

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to. So it's easy. Oh, that's nice. Well, thank

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you for picking me. Oh, my pleasure. I'm excited

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to talk to you. Your movie is fucking crazy.

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It is. I knew it was a pirate movie, but I just

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did not expect the ultra -violence from the beginning.

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I was like, yo. I locked in immediately. I was

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like, first scene, I was like, holy shit. This

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is crazy. Well, thank you. That's a good thing,

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right? When you're doing something that's that

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hyper violent, like is that does that freak you

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out at all? Like you're cutting people open with

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swords and stabbing them in the neck. And it's

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like, holy shit. When you're doing it, you know,

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it's like make believe. So it's so much fun to

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be like, yeah, I'm playing pirates and I'm going

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to behead you. But I mean, in moments of like

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scenes and stuff where I actually had to think

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about what it must have been like to be. a female

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at that time or because they existed women female

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pirates existed and we just we didn't hear many

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much about stories about them i mean i heard

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about grace o'malley maybe um there were mary

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reed like a few famous ones um ching shi after

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i did my research but like in those moments you're

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like this stuff must have like this was real

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they lived at a time where it was survival of

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the fittest it was barbaric um and I wonder what

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that must have been like but besides that the

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stunts and stuff like I really have so much admiration

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for the amount of um precision it requires to

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pull that stuff off from so many people not just

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the stunt department but like the cameras because

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they're also moving in sync with you yeah um

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and that's cool It is cool. Is it hard to stay

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in the moment when all that is happening? Because

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you have so much coordination and there's so

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much choreography. There's like, he's going to

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swing this way and you're going to block it and

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you're going to dive down. It's so complex. These

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are long, extended fight scenes. like a lot of

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oners too, like full, the whole scene in one

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shot. Whoa. Which Frankie, our director, really

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loved the idea of and I honestly love it because

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it brings you into that, that moment is so enriched

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with everything that you're supposed to feel

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between action and cut. So I do love a long oner.

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But, you know, I come from Bollywood movies so

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we have a lot of choreography, a choreography

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for like dance sequences where stories are also

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moving forward, like between, you know, your

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exchange of expression or something's happening

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somewhere else, you come back. So I treat sort

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of fight sequences like dancing. It's you learn

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the choreography, but that doesn't stop your

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face from telling the story. Right. That makes

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sense. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, it is kind, I

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mean, it's just choreography. Whether it's choreography

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with dance or choreography with movements with

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your hands and swords. I had never worked with

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blades before this movie, though. That was cool.

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How much training did you have to do? When you

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found out that you were going to take the role,

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how much preparation did you have to do physically

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to get ready for all that stuff? It was a cool

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year for me because I was filming three jobs

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which were all... action and stunts so this movie

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called heads of state which i did for amazon

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again and then citadel and this movie so it was

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a year of three action -packed jobs so the you

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know being agile and being in it was already

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part of what i was doing because that's what

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i was filming every day but the swords training

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was tough and to be ambidextrous with it as well

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um so i had um my My stunt coordinator, who was

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doing all three movies with me, she, in between

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shots, she and I would just take our rubber swords

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out and do, like, choreography and rehearsals.

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But, like, it took at least three or four months

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of just staying in it and getting loose with

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it. Also because Carl Urban, my co -actor, had,

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casual, learned how to do, like, sword fights

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in The Lord of the Rings. So he was amazing at

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it. So I didn't, you know, in that last duel,

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I didn't want to... any less than. So I kind

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of went at it. No, you look very good at it.

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It was really good. Thank you. Did you work with

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some sort of a kendo specialist or some fencing

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specialist? How did you learn how to move the

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sword correctly? It wasn't kendo, for sure. It

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definitely wasn't fencing. It was uniquely, because

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the swords were... Our director was very, very

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excited about the weapons in this movie and wanting

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to get it really right from the period, whether

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it was the guns that we used or the blades that

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we used. The machete was one of my favorite weapons

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in the movie because that's like her weapon in

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the movie because it's practical. Use it for

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coconuts. Use it for skulls. Same, same. And

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that was really fun. Second unit director Rob

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Alonzo had so much experience in the amount of

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work that he's done prior. He came in with a

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very specific idea of wanting to make the fighting

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style super unique. set piece like a different

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design of choreography so you know there was

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one which was in a dark cave so the only time

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you saw people was when the gunshot went off

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and just different styles of fighting um which

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i thought was really cool so but did you have

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like a professional trainer that taught you how

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to do that yes and so How would you do it? Would

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you do it with a real sword? Well, we had three

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different kinds of swords. The real sword weighs

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more than me. It was insane. I couldn't do it

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with a real sword as much. But for filming, and

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this is the magic of the movies, you have four

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different weights of it. One is the real sword

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where you need it for where it's a close -up

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or the sword is really, really visible. But when

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you're doing the big choreography, you have a

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lighter sword, which is... created by the props

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department, and then another lighter one. And

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when you need to flip it, it's the lightest one.

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I'm telling you all my secrets. That's good.

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It's good to know. That sucks. Oh, no. No, listen.

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Here I was trying to impress you with my sword

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flipping. No, it's impressive, period. And talking

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about my fencing, but no, it was movie magic.

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One of the things that I always think when I

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was watching it is like, how many takes did you

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have to do with this? Because that's got to be

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so hard to do. Because you're swinging this gigantic

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iron thing. Yeah. And clashing into other ones.

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I'm like, if you have to do three or four takes

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of this, your arms are going to be toast. Oh,

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we did. like 10 hours of it every day for like

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seven days or something. Do you have shoulder

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problems after that? No, actually I didn't, but

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I was jacked. My arms never looked as good. Now,

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I mean, I have a four year old and I lift her

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a lot. So my arms are like, all right. But during

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this movie, because we were just like at it and

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we both, you know, threw ourselves at it, Carl

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and I, and it took. It was a big choreography

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on top of this bluff. We shot on 100 % of this

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movie. At least 90 % is definitely on practical

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sets, real sets. We did not want to use a lot

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of VFX. So, you know, Phil Ivey, our production

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designer, we built the ships. We built the house.

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We built... Everything was a replica of what

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it would have looked like in the 1900s in the

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Cayman Islands. We went and saw it. It was amazing

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to be able to do that with real stuff, you know?

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Yeah. Well... The whole history of piracy is

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so fascinating. And one of the things that the

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movie is about is this – the Carl Urban character

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is from – he was one of the soldiers of the East

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India Trading Company. Then I went on a deep

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dive on the East India Trading Company. You did.

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That is crazy. When you learn the history of

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that one corporation as one of the first publicly

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traded corporations that essentially – was in

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control of India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh, went

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to war with China over opium, and that's how

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they took over Hong Kong. You're like, holy shit.

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One crazy fucking corporation involved in the

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slave trade, the opium trade, just a corporation,

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a publicly traded corporation. People could buy

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stock in it, like one of the first ones. And

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it just went haywire to the point where it got

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so big. There was a revolt and then the British

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government took over it, nationalized it. But

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it's the whole story is insane. If you think

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about how much in their minds they were able

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to achieve and how much they were able to destroy

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in that duration is crazy if you go down history.

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Changed the course of countries forever. Human

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lives forever. Forever. Like the amount of pillaging

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that happened. Yes. Millions and millions of

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lives. And this movie actually has a really interesting

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slice of what they were capable of doing. They

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utilized pirates in order to, you know, take

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over new lands. Right. And in their conquests.

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And then. When piracy was abolished, they went

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after them and they wanted to arrest them. And

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they vilified the same people that helped them

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build their entire empire. So this was really

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interesting because my character's story, her

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parents and her family are indentured servants,

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which was the truth of many, many people, especially

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in India, where young people were... you know,

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told better opportunities, new lands, more money,

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come with us and take them off as servants and

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then drop them in different parts of the world

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and islands. And the Caribbean has a huge Indian

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community whose history started with just being

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displaced from their lands and dropped somewhere

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else in the world and then having to figure out

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what your future looks like. I mean, it still

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happens to many. many people around the world

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right now but um i thought it was really interesting

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that my character came from that and her entire

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identity was erased taken from her she had no

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idea she was 12 so she had no idea what it meant

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to have that identity and i met so many people

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actually when i went to the game on um who don't

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know anything about their family tree beyond

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like five generations or they know where their

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family may have come from from Sri Lanka or from

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India or you know any other nation but have no

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idea what like what it was where from what village

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like what was your culture and that ambiguity

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in in a history of a human being erases a part

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of you it it It denies you of knowing the depth

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of your culture or where you come from or your

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roots. And I thought that was really, really

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interesting for my character to play and then

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reclaim herself through the journey of the movie.

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Well, it's a fascinating part of human history.

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Yeah. And it's taken place all over the world.

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And for a lot of... Cultures, they don't have

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an understanding of exactly what happened before

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they were colonized. Like one of the great examples

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is Mexico. I went in a long, deep dive on Mexico

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recently over the last few months because I've

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had a bunch of people who are historians who

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came on the podcast who are just researching

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these ancient Inca and Mayan sites and talking

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to them about it. And then I went into it and

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it's like. There was over 100 different languages

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that are just lost forever in that whole what

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is now called Mexico. And that's the reason why

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everybody over there speaks Spanish and is Catholic.

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Like it's not because that was their language

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and that was their religion. They were all conquered.

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Absolutely. By like 600 guys. That's what's nuts.

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Yeah. 600 guys in the 1500s came over, took over.

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You know, what was the Aztec Empire with help

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of the people that they were in conflict with

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and changed the course of the entire country.

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For so many generations. For forever. Like to

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this day, people in Mexico think they speak Spanish

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and they have a Catholic religion. Well, that's

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all brought over from Spain, like the entire

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country. They had wild names, too, like Cacao

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Thunder Sky God and all these different like

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almost like Native American type names. Wow.

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They looked like Native Americans. But if you

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think about it, doesn't that make sense? That

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makes so much sense. They probably like shared

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land and crops and like. Well, there was no real.

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There were no borders at that time. No, back

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then. I mean, what were countries in the 1500s

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in North America? Like, what was—we don't even

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know. Like, what was North America like? I mean,

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I think about how young America is technically.

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Super young. Like, how many years? 300 years?

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400 years? Yeah, less than 300 years. Yeah, and,

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like, you were talking about history. In India,

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she has been invaded over thousands and thousands

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and thousands of years. Only invaded. We've never

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invaded anybody else. She's not had the time.

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India's like, just give me a break. Yeah, the

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Portuguese, the British, the Mughals, like from

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back in time and the history of India. I mean,

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I'm not a historian and I don't claim to be,

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but I find it really fascinating. I love culture

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and especially the culture of India. Like you

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will see my grandmother was Catholic. because

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she was raised in a part of India which was colonized

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and a lot of people, with Kerala, a lot of people

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were converted into Catholicism. And she grew

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up Catholic and, you know, she followed it for

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a very long time in her life. India is, like,

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hyper -diverse because of how many... People

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have kind of made it her roots. So when you go

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to India, the amount of diversity you will see,

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the kind of the range of people that you will

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meet is impossible to fathom. Like an Indian

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face does not look like a particular person or

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the amount of cultures, the languages. We have

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written and spoken languages, which are almost

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like 20 something or in their 30s. Absolutely

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different alphabet, absolutely different sound.

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I can't. If I go to another state, I won't be

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able to understand what people are saying. Wow.

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It's amazing. How many different languages are

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spoken there? About 28 to 30. But there are dialects

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in there, hundreds. Oh, wow. Don't even get into

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the dialects. I just speak English and Hindi.

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Understand a little bit of Punjabi and Marathi,

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but it's really amazing. Have you ever been,

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by the way? No, I haven't. Oh, Joe, you have

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to. You would really, like, you're the kind of

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guy who likes a deep dive. Yeah. You would really

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lose yourself, I think, in an amazing way. Well,

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I want to go just to see, for many things, but

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just to see that one immense temple that was

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carved entirely out of stone. Oh, yeah. It's

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one of the great mysteries of archaeology. But

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there are quite a few if you go especially south

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of India and the caves, if you go inside the

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Andaman and Nicobar. the caves you'll see from

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thousands and tens and thousands of years ago

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illustrations that that you're like how how did

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this happen how could this temple have been chiseled

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or how could These stones have been moved at

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that time. It made me very, very curious about

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what kind of tools did we have back then. Well,

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there's a lot of holes in human history. Yeah,

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for sure. Graham Hancock has a great quote. He

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says that we are a species with amnesia. And

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I think that's accurate. And I think when you

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find some of the great archaeological wonders.

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where people just have decided, oh, they built

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it this way and then just let it go. And then

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other people start looking at it and go, wait

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a minute, how? How did they do this? Like, when

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did they do this? Like, what's the historical

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record of this? Because this is kind of nuts.

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This seems to indicate like a very advanced,

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sophisticated society. Yeah, a very advanced

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civilization. Like one of the oldest civilizations

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in the world. along with the Mayans, is the Indus

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Valley civilization, which is the north of India.

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Yeah. And I just remember studying about it in

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school, and that's my maximum understanding of

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that civilization, but also having visited the

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Indus River, I guess. But I remember the artifacts

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that were found. like if you do a deep dive into

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how that civilization existed and then how it

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was erased, and, you know, it makes you question,

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like, there had to be some seriously advanced,

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like, scientific understanding that was eventually

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lost as, you know. as human evolution happened,

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where we lose a civilization and then comes back

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again. But it just makes you wonder about early

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humans and how fascinatingly advanced we would

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.com slash joerogan. This one particular temple

00:19:30.150 --> 00:19:32.789
that I'm talking about. Jamie, do you know the

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temple I'm talking about? The one insanely massive

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one that's built into the side of a mountain?

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Kalisa Temple. This is it. This is crazy. This

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is what I meant. Because the precision. First

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of all, there's no understanding of where the

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stone went. They moved who knows how many. How

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did you take out all of those tons of rocks?

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Yes. It's so insane. The precision is spectacular.

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It's so nuts when you see videos of people going

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through it. How huge is that? Immense. Absolutely

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immense and incredibly precise. And just carved

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out of a solid piece of stone. The whole thing

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is carved out of the mountain. Think about how

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old that is. Like, this is all... B .C., before

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Christ, like thousands and thousands of years

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B .C. And the history of India, like, hence the

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diversity. You see, it's one of the oldest civilizations

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in the world. And then, like, how do you explain

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that? Look at that image. So it says it's 12,

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what does it say? How old did it say it was?

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1200 B .C. How do they know that? I can't be

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right. 1 ,200 years old? See, there's a lot of

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just estimates based on what was the civilization

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at the time. And there's no, like, this is the

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thing with Peru. Like, Sacsayhuaman and a lot

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of these places were attributed to the Incas.

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But you see, like, traditional Inca structures

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on top of these immense stones that are 100 tons.

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They're carved in these weird jigsaw patterns

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just to absorb the energy if there's an earthquake.

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Like, it's weird shit. like okay well who did

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that so like oh the incas did it like how how'd

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they do that because all their other structures

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are smaller stones stacked on top of each other

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in a way like you could see a person carrying

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them and cutting them makes sense but there's

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a lot of stuff like that temple like Explain

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to me what you used. There's no explanation.

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Like how? Metal? You just use metal and carve

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that out like that? And like just a chisel and

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human. And if you fuck up once, it's over. Because

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you're not putting things on top of things. Like,

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oh, this block sucks. Let's get a new block.

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No, you're carving. Do you change the design

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if there's a fuck up? Like, you know what I mean?

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If you're trying to build. That's a good question.

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Like a human form and you chisel off the nose.

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Right. Do you turn it into something else? I

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don't know. Probably. Otherwise, because it's

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just one piece and you're right, you're not adding

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anything to it. Well, in Egypt, there's indications

00:22:04.690 --> 00:22:06.789
that they abandoned certain pieces because they

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cracked. Because when you're dealing with, you

00:22:09.700 --> 00:22:13.319
know, granite, and there's certain, specifically

00:22:13.319 --> 00:22:17.660
there's a gigantic obelisk that they were carving

00:22:17.660 --> 00:22:20.200
out. I mean, I think it was like 1 ,300 tons,

00:22:20.420 --> 00:22:22.579
like something bananas. Like, okay, how are you

00:22:22.579 --> 00:22:24.859
going to move this fucking thing? But they got

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to a certain point where there's a crack in it,

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and so they had to abandon it. And so it's still

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there. And it's just there? Yeah, it's still

00:22:29.460 --> 00:22:31.680
there. I think that's in, it might be in Aswan.

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I'm not sure where it is. Do you know, like...

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You know, the theories around the Egyptian pyramids,

00:22:39.000 --> 00:22:42.259
obviously, like how were those blocks carried

00:22:42.259 --> 00:22:47.359
up? There's no valid theory. Zero. How was it

00:22:47.359 --> 00:22:50.390
in that shape? And so precisely, geometrically,

00:22:50.549 --> 00:22:52.670
you know? Well, it's even more complicated now

00:22:52.670 --> 00:22:55.029
because there's an Italian scientist that we

00:22:55.029 --> 00:22:58.210
had on recently called Filippo Biondi. Am I saying

00:22:58.210 --> 00:23:01.049
it right? Biondi? He's an amazing accent, this

00:23:01.049 --> 00:23:04.609
guy. He's fucking incredible. But he's using,

00:23:04.670 --> 00:23:09.089
what is it, radio, Doppler, tomography. Wow.

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It's a type of satellite imagery that uses some

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technology to get a vision of what's under the

00:23:18.059 --> 00:23:21.579
ground. And they've used this successfully to...

00:23:22.089 --> 00:23:27.490
show known caverns in the ground and known pyramids.

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And they even used it in Italy to show that they

00:23:30.990 --> 00:23:33.670
can look through a 1 .2 kilometer mountain and

00:23:33.670 --> 00:23:36.309
see underneath it this particle collider and

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have an exact dimension of the particle collider

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and see the outlet. So they used this on the

00:23:41.950 --> 00:23:45.250
pyramids and they found these immense structures.

00:23:46.039 --> 00:23:49.799
under the pyramids that go over a kilometer into

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the ground with massive, these huge... 20 -meter

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diameter columns that have these huge circular

00:24:00.890 --> 00:24:03.990
coils wrapped around them. No one knows what

00:24:03.990 --> 00:24:05.910
the hell they're looking at, but they're in very

00:24:05.910 --> 00:24:08.710
precise positions. They've done over 200 scans

00:24:08.710 --> 00:24:10.589
of these things. They don't know what they are.

00:24:10.769 --> 00:24:13.730
They don't know what's the purpose of all this,

00:24:13.869 --> 00:24:16.769
who made this. So this turns out to be accurate,

00:24:16.910 --> 00:24:19.490
and they're very confident that it's accurate,

00:24:19.609 --> 00:24:21.049
and they're starting to look into it deeper,

00:24:21.150 --> 00:24:23.950
and they're trying to figure out how to get down.

00:24:23.980 --> 00:24:27.980
in there and explore with drones or something.

00:24:28.660 --> 00:24:32.019
Then the whole thing gets thrown into question

00:24:32.019 --> 00:24:34.579
because it's preposterous enough that you have

00:24:34.579 --> 00:24:39.849
someone who's able to. cut and place 2 ,300 ,000

00:24:39.849 --> 00:24:42.750
stones that's perfectly aligned, a true north,

00:24:42.789 --> 00:24:44.930
south, east, and west. Some of them weigh as

00:24:44.930 --> 00:24:47.710
much as 80 tons. Tons, which is insane. They

00:24:47.710 --> 00:24:49.990
come from 500 miles away through the mountains,

00:24:50.049 --> 00:24:52.549
no roads. Like, how'd you do it? That's crazy.

00:24:52.690 --> 00:24:54.829
That's crazy in itself. But if there's structures

00:24:54.829 --> 00:24:58.430
underneath that that go a kilometer into the

00:24:58.430 --> 00:25:02.440
ground, and, like, there's a giant... like a

00:25:02.440 --> 00:25:05.079
huge square at the bottom. They don't know what

00:25:05.079 --> 00:25:07.039
it is, but these are structures. These are not

00:25:07.039 --> 00:25:09.299
like something that is just a naturally occurring

00:25:09.299 --> 00:25:12.039
stone. Yeah, it was man -made. Show her an image

00:25:12.039 --> 00:25:14.839
of it. It's fucking kooky. So what, is that like

00:25:14.839 --> 00:25:17.779
how? So these are these columns. This is like

00:25:17.779 --> 00:25:20.119
what the images are showing, and the three -dimensional

00:25:20.119 --> 00:25:23.339
replication of what they think is, that's what

00:25:23.339 --> 00:25:26.519
they think it looks like underneath there. They

00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:30.240
have no idea what these things are. What? There's

00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:34.279
also, Is that Hawara that has that underground

00:25:34.279 --> 00:25:39.880
labyrinth? They've also found – Herodotus wrote

00:25:39.880 --> 00:25:41.960
about these labyrinths. There's a great channel

00:25:41.960 --> 00:25:44.880
on YouTube called Uncharted X by this guy Ben

00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:46.680
Van Kirkwick who's been on the podcast before.

00:25:46.759 --> 00:25:51.799
He's great. And they've used – Well, they used

00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:55.059
ground penetrating radar in that location. They

00:25:55.059 --> 00:25:57.539
found that these immense labyrinths are real.

00:25:57.720 --> 00:26:00.759
They're there. They're huge. Herodotus said it's

00:26:00.759 --> 00:26:05.500
greater than Giza and it's underground. And in

00:26:05.500 --> 00:26:07.779
the center of one of these atriums, there is

00:26:07.779 --> 00:26:12.160
a 40 meter metallic object that's shaped like

00:26:12.160 --> 00:26:15.279
a tic -tac. It's in the center of this. Yes.

00:26:16.099 --> 00:26:20.099
So. There's a bunch of shit that they can't explain

00:26:20.099 --> 00:26:23.299
down there where you're like, okay, what is this?

00:26:23.559 --> 00:26:25.279
They also know that a lot of these civilizations,

00:26:25.440 --> 00:26:29.079
like later versions of it, took from some of

00:26:29.079 --> 00:26:31.299
the older sites and started building new things

00:26:31.299 --> 00:26:33.660
or built on top of them, like very disrespectfully.

00:26:34.599 --> 00:26:36.859
Nobody had an idea of like the importance of

00:26:36.859 --> 00:26:38.099
history back then. You're just trying to stay

00:26:38.099 --> 00:26:40.299
alive. And so they found all these stones. Let's

00:26:40.299 --> 00:26:42.640
use these stones. Oh my gosh, totally. In India,

00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:44.779
like when we were colonized, you hear stories

00:26:44.779 --> 00:26:50.400
of, you know, the British officers telling like

00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:52.960
little kids that, hey, I'll give you two pounds.

00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:55.440
Go and get the gold statue from this temple or

00:26:55.440 --> 00:26:57.900
whatever. And you don't have comprehension of

00:26:57.900 --> 00:27:01.500
what the value of. historical things were that

00:27:01.500 --> 00:27:04.599
there was so much that was taken from India in

00:27:04.599 --> 00:27:08.940
terms of wealth and history and historical artifacts

00:27:08.940 --> 00:27:12.140
and the Kohinoor diamond, which is still on the

00:27:12.140 --> 00:27:16.259
Queen's crown, which came from India. And like

00:27:16.259 --> 00:27:19.220
so many things. The Queen of England? Yeah. She

00:27:19.220 --> 00:27:21.059
has a diamond on her crown that she stole from

00:27:21.059 --> 00:27:22.859
me. Can you pull it up? Kohinoor diamond. K -O

00:27:22.859 --> 00:27:28.500
-H -I -N -O. Give it back. Yeah, we've been asking

00:27:28.500 --> 00:27:33.319
for it for a minute. We have. Well, the whole

00:27:33.319 --> 00:27:35.480
history of England and India is nuts, too. That's

00:27:35.480 --> 00:27:38.019
the diamond? Whoa. How big is that sucker? The

00:27:38.019 --> 00:27:41.480
crown of the queen. How big is that thing? How

00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:49.789
big would that be? What is that worth? Besides

00:27:49.789 --> 00:27:54.410
the historical value of it, which is probably

00:27:54.410 --> 00:27:58.490
priceless, what is 105 carats worth? That's nuts.

00:27:59.569 --> 00:28:04.609
A couple hundred million. I mean, that's what

00:28:04.609 --> 00:28:07.009
I'm saying. The royalty in India had so much

00:28:07.009 --> 00:28:10.910
jewelry and wealth and stuff that was pillaged

00:28:10.910 --> 00:28:13.970
and just taken. Well, the history of India is

00:28:13.970 --> 00:28:17.430
fascinating, like in the Vedic texts and the

00:28:17.430 --> 00:28:22.369
descriptions of Vimanas. Have you ever read any

00:28:22.369 --> 00:28:25.170
of that stuff? Yeah, the Vedas. Not extensively,

00:28:25.390 --> 00:28:28.009
but clearly you have. The Vimanas, it's like,

00:28:28.049 --> 00:28:29.349
what are you talking about? You're talking about

00:28:29.349 --> 00:28:33.619
flying crafts? Yeah. That's the thing. If you

00:28:33.619 --> 00:28:36.160
do a deep dive into the mythology of India and

00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:38.839
the stories that come from there, the kind of

00:28:38.839 --> 00:28:42.759
technology that has been mentioned in these ancient

00:28:42.759 --> 00:28:45.200
texts, like the Vimanas you're saying, you have

00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:50.660
flying objects, you have spears with some sort

00:28:50.660 --> 00:28:53.099
of energy, you have bows and arrows with some

00:28:53.099 --> 00:28:56.400
sort of energy that travels beyond time and light.

00:28:57.680 --> 00:28:59.900
And there's so much of all of this stuff referenced

00:28:59.900 --> 00:29:02.619
back then, which maybe humans thought was magic,

00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:06.359
but was some form of ancient technology. Like

00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:09.619
who's to say? But we do definitely believe in

00:29:09.619 --> 00:29:13.619
Indian mythology. If you go back into Hinduism

00:29:13.619 --> 00:29:17.359
and and the incredible stories that exist, like

00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:20.799
I love to think about where the origin, like

00:29:20.799 --> 00:29:24.470
where it must have come from. But there's so

00:29:24.470 --> 00:29:27.349
many fascinating, fascinating stories from then.

00:29:27.509 --> 00:29:31.430
Yeah, I have an opinion that most people that

00:29:31.430 --> 00:29:33.730
were writing things down back then were trying

00:29:33.730 --> 00:29:36.430
to document a truth. Yeah, for sure. I don't

00:29:36.430 --> 00:29:37.450
think they were trying to make up stories. No,

00:29:37.450 --> 00:29:39.730
I think it was definitely their truth. But from

00:29:39.730 --> 00:29:41.950
our perspective now, we have to be like, how

00:29:41.950 --> 00:29:46.339
do you break down the truth of... You know, that

00:29:46.339 --> 00:29:49.480
there was this light that arrived from miles

00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:52.019
and miles away and it felt like, I don't know,

00:29:52.059 --> 00:29:54.819
was it a bomb? Like, what was it? What was it

00:29:54.819 --> 00:29:57.200
of that time? Right. So it's cool to kind of

00:29:57.200 --> 00:29:59.960
try and interpret that. I mean, I believe in

00:29:59.960 --> 00:30:03.660
the mysticism and the magic of ancient humans

00:30:03.660 --> 00:30:06.079
and, you know, the beginning of time. There's

00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:10.190
no way to explain. what and how that was. You

00:30:10.190 --> 00:30:12.869
know, we have the information we do from religious

00:30:12.869 --> 00:30:17.569
texts and historians of the past, but it's just

00:30:17.569 --> 00:30:20.450
really fascinating to think about how resilient

00:30:20.450 --> 00:30:24.670
and human beings have been and how evolutions

00:30:24.670 --> 00:30:28.269
have had the same problems over time, but we

00:30:28.269 --> 00:30:31.569
kind of just navigated through different worlds,

00:30:31.730 --> 00:30:33.670
you know? I think, yeah, I think it's hard for

00:30:33.670 --> 00:30:38.450
us to grasp timelines and It would be impossible.

00:30:38.690 --> 00:30:42.009
Think about how short a human lifespan used to

00:30:42.009 --> 00:30:46.470
be to where it is now. Our stories have to come

00:30:46.470 --> 00:30:50.029
from people telling people's stories or documenting

00:30:50.029 --> 00:30:55.130
them. Right, right. And those stories, when you're

00:30:55.130 --> 00:30:58.619
talking about certain... passages in the bible

00:30:58.619 --> 00:31:01.779
or certain passages in any religious text a lot

00:31:01.779 --> 00:31:03.940
of those were stories that were just handed down

00:31:03.940 --> 00:31:06.359
for generations and generations before anybody

00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:09.599
wrote anything yeah so it's like what were they

00:31:09.599 --> 00:31:12.019
trying to remember like when they're talking

00:31:12.019 --> 00:31:14.980
about flying vimanas like what were they talking

00:31:14.980 --> 00:31:19.319
about like what did they experience and how long

00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:21.819
ago was it because i don't think we have a real

00:31:21.819 --> 00:31:24.900
understanding of how long ago it is I mean, 17

00:31:24.900 --> 00:31:30.539
,000 BC is... Where or around that time, that

00:31:30.539 --> 00:31:33.759
many years ago is what they say. But again, that

00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:36.099
makes sense. Well, that makes sense if you take

00:31:36.099 --> 00:31:38.839
into account the 20 ,000 B .C. There's a guy

00:31:38.839 --> 00:31:40.759
named Randall Carlson who's been on my podcast

00:31:40.759 --> 00:31:43.339
a few times, and he's a really fascinating guy.

00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:46.960
And he's an expert in asteroid collisions with

00:31:46.960 --> 00:31:50.079
Earth. Wow. He's an expert in all the different

00:31:50.079 --> 00:31:52.859
times that Earth has been slammed by comets and

00:31:52.859 --> 00:31:56.940
meteors. Is that how the dinosaurs were? So it

00:31:56.940 --> 00:31:59.660
was an asteroid? Yeah, they believe so. It was

00:31:59.660 --> 00:32:02.299
in the Yucatan, that one. That's the 65 billion

00:32:02.299 --> 00:32:04.160
years ago one. But there's other ones that are

00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:07.259
before that. Before that? Yeah, and then there's

00:32:07.259 --> 00:32:08.880
other ones that are after that. One of the more

00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:10.960
interesting ones is called the Younger Dryas

00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:14.240
Impact Theory. And that one's from about 11 ,800

00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:16.880
years ago. And then again, they think somewhere

00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:19.220
in the 10 ,000 years that happened. So there's

00:32:19.220 --> 00:32:22.140
a comet storm that we pass by. I think it's every

00:32:22.140 --> 00:32:25.130
June and November. I forget what the time is.

00:32:25.250 --> 00:32:28.390
But this is like also aligns with – do you know

00:32:28.390 --> 00:32:30.309
about the Tunguska event? Have you ever heard

00:32:30.309 --> 00:32:35.410
of that? In the early 1900s, a meteor exploded

00:32:35.410 --> 00:32:40.690
in the sky above Russia. devastated like a million

00:32:40.690 --> 00:32:43.809
acres of land. And it was during the same time

00:32:43.809 --> 00:32:45.869
period. And they realized like there's this comet

00:32:45.869 --> 00:32:47.950
storm that we pass through. Like when you see

00:32:47.950 --> 00:32:49.950
meteor showers in the sky, it's because we're

00:32:49.950 --> 00:32:53.930
passing through these areas of our solar system

00:32:53.930 --> 00:32:56.730
that have these comets. This is the Tunguska

00:32:56.730 --> 00:32:59.609
event. So it just, and to this day, that area

00:32:59.609 --> 00:33:04.680
has no trees on it. Whoa. Yeah. So it just flattened

00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:06.960
everything. And it didn't even impact the ground.

00:33:07.259 --> 00:33:12.059
It blew up in the sky above it. And this was

00:33:12.059 --> 00:33:14.960
not even a big one. So how does nothing grow

00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:18.160
again? That's a good question. What is that asteroid

00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:22.400
made of? Earth has been able to come back from

00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:24.480
so much. Yeah, that's a good question. That's

00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:26.779
crazy. Maybe it's just not enough time. I don't

00:33:26.779 --> 00:33:30.059
know. I mean, 117 years, maybe eventually. It

00:33:30.059 --> 00:33:31.740
needs like a millennia. But it probably just

00:33:31.740 --> 00:33:34.099
blew the roots off of everything. It blew everything

00:33:34.099 --> 00:33:37.460
into smithereens. And it probably had some kind

00:33:37.460 --> 00:33:41.269
of... chemical effect too, because it's a physical

00:33:41.269 --> 00:33:43.109
object. I don't know what it was made out of,

00:33:43.170 --> 00:33:45.470
but you know, some of them are made out of iron.

00:33:45.529 --> 00:33:48.049
Some of them are made out of nickel, like that

00:33:48.049 --> 00:33:50.650
big one that they saw three eye Atlas that passed

00:33:50.650 --> 00:33:53.150
through. That was a weird one because they were

00:33:53.150 --> 00:33:56.170
like, this is a nickel alloy. That is as big

00:33:56.170 --> 00:33:58.309
as the size of Manhattan. And the only way we

00:33:58.309 --> 00:34:00.690
have it on Earth is in industrial manufacturing

00:34:00.690 --> 00:34:04.369
of an alloy. But this thing in another planet

00:34:04.369 --> 00:34:07.150
somewhere else millions and millions and millions

00:34:07.150 --> 00:34:09.829
of years ago was formed under whatever weird

00:34:09.829 --> 00:34:12.510
circumstances and conditions their planet has.

00:34:12.750 --> 00:34:15.550
But you, I mean, I want to know your thoughts

00:34:15.550 --> 00:34:17.849
on this, but you definitely don't think we're

00:34:17.849 --> 00:34:21.489
like the only... species existing in the universe

00:34:21.489 --> 00:34:23.530
right i don't think that's possible it's it's

00:34:23.530 --> 00:34:25.889
human arrogance if we think we do yeah that seems

00:34:25.889 --> 00:34:28.329
silly yeah it doesn't make sense there's just

00:34:28.329 --> 00:34:30.969
too many planets it's a it's a silly thing to

00:34:30.969 --> 00:34:33.309
think and they found evidence of life on mars

00:34:33.309 --> 00:34:35.809
there so they found evidence of some sort of

00:34:35.809 --> 00:34:38.690
bacterial life on mars like the traces of bacterial

00:34:38.690 --> 00:34:42.449
life um and that's you know right there that's

00:34:42.449 --> 00:34:44.630
what i'm saying maybe it's just in within our

00:34:44.630 --> 00:34:47.840
milky way I mean, we haven't even been able to

00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:50.480
travel outside of that yet to get information.

00:34:50.559 --> 00:34:55.480
But there has to be other species that exist

00:34:55.480 --> 00:34:59.159
and other intelligence and technology. Do you

00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:01.320
know the actor Terrence Howard? I mean, I know

00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:04.260
of him. Fascinating guy. Like a little kooky,

00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:06.900
but super smart. Like super smart. He's got some

00:35:06.900 --> 00:35:10.119
wild ideas. One of his ideas, I was like, wait,

00:35:10.179 --> 00:35:15.590
what? He thinks that life occurs. When planets

00:35:15.590 --> 00:35:19.469
get a certain distance from their sun and then

00:35:19.469 --> 00:35:23.650
over time they get too far out and then life

00:35:23.650 --> 00:35:26.889
doesn't exist on those planets anymore. But when

00:35:26.889 --> 00:35:29.170
they're in this Goldilocks zone like Earth is

00:35:29.170 --> 00:35:31.969
for a long period of time and relative to our

00:35:31.969 --> 00:35:36.409
life, life. exists and then intelligent life

00:35:36.409 --> 00:35:40.869
emerges and figures out hey we got to get out

00:35:40.869 --> 00:35:43.230
of here eventually because this is not going

00:35:43.230 --> 00:35:46.070
to sustain us and then it propagates the world

00:35:46.070 --> 00:35:49.289
or the universe rather and he thinks that there's

00:35:49.289 --> 00:35:52.050
a thing that happens and he calls it peopling

00:35:52.050 --> 00:35:56.889
he thinks that when a planet gets far further

00:35:56.889 --> 00:36:00.250
enough from the sun that it eventually peoples

00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:03.619
Because it eventually reaches the right conditions

00:36:03.619 --> 00:36:06.539
where life emerges and evolution takes place

00:36:06.539 --> 00:36:10.219
and natural selection and random mutation. All

00:36:10.219 --> 00:36:12.860
these things converge and eventually you get

00:36:12.860 --> 00:36:14.599
an intelligent creature that knows how to manipulate

00:36:14.599 --> 00:36:19.360
its environment. Is there any proof of planets

00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:23.760
moving away from their sun? Well, they all do,

00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:28.119
slowly. Very slowly. So even our solar system,

00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:31.480
we're all like slowly. Yeah. And also the sun

00:36:31.480 --> 00:36:34.159
is eventually going to burn out and explode.

00:36:34.300 --> 00:36:36.739
And then we're fucked. But that's a long time

00:36:36.739 --> 00:36:40.280
from now. There's enough shit to be worried about.

00:36:40.300 --> 00:36:43.000
Nothing's permanent. Suns are not permanent.

00:36:43.059 --> 00:36:45.280
And we're lucky. We have a slow burn sun. So

00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:50.159
we have a relatively small sun. And there's a

00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:52.670
lot of weird. speculation that it's part of a

00:36:52.670 --> 00:36:54.710
binary solar system too, that there might have

00:36:54.710 --> 00:36:57.489
been another version of our sun that burned out

00:36:57.489 --> 00:37:00.590
that's like way out there, like way out in space,

00:37:00.869 --> 00:37:04.030
like way past Pluto, way out there. I'd buy that.

00:37:04.210 --> 00:37:07.070
It's possible. I mean, there's a lot of wacky

00:37:07.070 --> 00:37:09.590
theories as to why there seems to be some large

00:37:09.590 --> 00:37:13.280
object that's outside of our vision. That's way,

00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:15.940
way past Pluto. So there's a thing called the

00:37:15.940 --> 00:37:17.860
Kuiper Belt that's outside of Pluto, and that's

00:37:17.860 --> 00:37:20.059
part of what Pluto is, which is why they decided

00:37:20.059 --> 00:37:21.760
it's not really a planet anymore. But they think

00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:23.900
there's something else out there. They call it

00:37:23.900 --> 00:37:28.119
Planet X. It's a lot of weird speculation whether

00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:29.860
or not it's real, but they think there might

00:37:29.860 --> 00:37:33.320
be a large body, larger than Earth, like Jupiter

00:37:33.320 --> 00:37:35.500
-sized or something, like way out there. And

00:37:35.500 --> 00:37:37.239
it might be a sun. It might be a burnt -out sun.

00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:39.739
Like a burnt -out sun that was... Just crazy.

00:37:40.969 --> 00:37:43.489
Well, Earth alone. The reason why we have the

00:37:43.489 --> 00:37:45.130
moon, supposedly, is because Earth was hit by

00:37:45.130 --> 00:37:48.530
another planet. So was the moon part of the Earth?

00:37:48.769 --> 00:37:52.630
The moon was like a big chunk of that collision

00:37:52.630 --> 00:37:56.630
that burst off and then became the moon. So there's

00:37:56.630 --> 00:37:58.469
Earth 1 and Earth 2. So does that happen with

00:37:58.469 --> 00:38:01.030
all the planets? Because all the planets that

00:38:01.030 --> 00:38:03.519
have their own moons are... Explosions, maybe?

00:38:03.719 --> 00:38:06.280
That's a good question. I mean, maybe some of

00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:09.239
them are enormous asteroids that got caught in

00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:13.539
the gravity. Maybe it's volcanic activity. I

00:38:13.539 --> 00:38:15.539
don't know. I think a lot of it's asteroid impacts,

00:38:15.780 --> 00:38:18.840
too. They knock off giant chunks, and those chunks

00:38:18.840 --> 00:38:21.300
start orbiting that planet. So does that mean

00:38:21.300 --> 00:38:24.079
that all of those planets do have a gravitational

00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:26.139
pull as well? Oh, yeah, they all have a pull.

00:38:26.420 --> 00:38:29.599
How strong would that gravitational pull be?

00:38:30.190 --> 00:38:32.329
It depends on the mass of the planet. Like Jupiter,

00:38:32.489 --> 00:38:34.829
for example. Jupiter is what protects us. The

00:38:34.829 --> 00:38:37.710
reason why we don't get hit a lot is because

00:38:37.710 --> 00:38:41.050
Jupiter is so big. So Jupiter has so much mass

00:38:41.050 --> 00:38:44.349
and so much gravity that it's like our big brother

00:38:44.349 --> 00:38:47.969
that protects us. Thanks, Jupiter. For real.

00:38:48.250 --> 00:38:51.570
No, that's great. And they actually observed

00:38:51.570 --> 00:38:53.829
an impact on Jupiter. I want to say it was in

00:38:53.829 --> 00:38:58.179
the 1980s. where an enormous asteroid slammed

00:38:58.179 --> 00:39:01.179
into Jupiter and created an Earth -sized explosion.

00:39:02.300 --> 00:39:05.159
Which separated from? No, it just got absorbed.

00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:07.880
Jupiter just absorbed it, but they watched it

00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:11.320
in real time. And it was a way bigger explosion

00:39:11.320 --> 00:39:14.239
than they thought it was going to be. So then

00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:17.139
they have to recalculate, like, oh, how big was

00:39:17.139 --> 00:39:20.679
that thing? And it made a literal impact as large

00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:23.610
as the Earth. Oh, my God. Yeah. I have to see

00:39:23.610 --> 00:39:26.949
that video. Well, the solar system is just a

00:39:26.949 --> 00:39:29.309
fucking shooting gallery, which brings us back

00:39:29.309 --> 00:39:32.670
to this Younger Drives Impact theory, which is

00:39:32.670 --> 00:39:36.369
one of the predominant theories as to why ancient,

00:39:36.489 --> 00:39:39.630
super advanced civilizations completely disappeared

00:39:39.630 --> 00:39:41.719
and there's no evidence of them. And there's

00:39:41.719 --> 00:39:43.940
a lot of physical evidence. When they do core

00:39:43.940 --> 00:39:46.599
samples of the Earth, they find there's a lot

00:39:46.599 --> 00:39:49.119
of iridium, which is very common in space but

00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:51.039
very rare on Earth, which indicates some sort

00:39:51.039 --> 00:39:54.059
of an impact. And then they also find micro diamonds,

00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:57.679
these nuclear diamonds. I think they call it

00:39:57.679 --> 00:40:01.079
trinitite. And they first observed this when

00:40:01.079 --> 00:40:03.579
they did the Trinity explosion. So the nuclear

00:40:03.579 --> 00:40:06.300
explosion created these micro diamonds on the

00:40:06.300 --> 00:40:08.480
ground, just a massive impact and explosion,

00:40:08.739 --> 00:40:12.340
heat and energy. find those littered all throughout

00:40:12.340 --> 00:40:15.940
the world in this same core sample timeline of

00:40:15.940 --> 00:40:18.820
like 11 ,800 years so they think we were just

00:40:18.820 --> 00:40:22.139
bombarded so a lot of these things like these

00:40:22.139 --> 00:40:25.420
temples in India perhaps the pyramids some structures

00:40:25.420 --> 00:40:28.900
that were stone probably just survived no for

00:40:28.900 --> 00:40:31.500
sure there's so much that has survived I think

00:40:31.500 --> 00:40:36.510
from like timeline we can't even explain. I mean,

00:40:36.510 --> 00:40:38.809
in India, we see so much of it. So many of our

00:40:38.809 --> 00:40:42.130
texts, the Vedas are the oldest texts in the

00:40:42.130 --> 00:40:47.190
world. And to be able to read stories, which

00:40:47.190 --> 00:40:50.389
now maybe we imagine are stories, but are probably

00:40:50.389 --> 00:40:54.610
reality of a civilization gone by, is just crazy

00:40:54.610 --> 00:40:57.130
to think about. I think more likely than not.

00:40:57.309 --> 00:41:01.309
And I think more and more over time, people are

00:41:01.309 --> 00:41:04.349
opening up to this possibility. They recently

00:41:04.349 --> 00:41:09.989
just found written language that is 28 ,000 years

00:41:09.989 --> 00:41:13.710
old. And they thought that human written language

00:41:13.710 --> 00:41:15.989
was created about 6 ,000 years ago. And they

00:41:15.989 --> 00:41:17.230
found evidence of language. I didn't read about

00:41:17.230 --> 00:41:20.809
this. So they're like, okay. That's a giant difference.

00:41:21.130 --> 00:41:24.469
But how can we also know what happened in so

00:41:24.469 --> 00:41:26.789
many parts of the earth when anyway the earth

00:41:26.789 --> 00:41:28.809
was moving, right? Like the continents, what

00:41:28.809 --> 00:41:31.230
it looks like right now is not. what it probably

00:41:31.230 --> 00:41:36.449
looked like 20 ,000 years ago. It's been... Slowly

00:41:36.449 --> 00:41:40.090
moving. I feel like how are we supposed to know,

00:41:40.130 --> 00:41:43.710
like someone who writes a book, say in Mexico,

00:41:43.929 --> 00:41:46.929
like what happened then in Australia or what

00:41:46.929 --> 00:41:48.710
happened, what was the history in like India,

00:41:48.789 --> 00:41:51.530
you know what I mean? Right. Especially 15, you

00:41:51.530 --> 00:41:54.190
know, 1500s, 1600s. Yeah, years ago. When they

00:41:54.190 --> 00:41:55.429
were writing about stuff back then, they were

00:41:55.429 --> 00:41:57.650
just making shit up. So the shit that we read.

00:41:58.030 --> 00:41:59.349
Here it is. Human may have used these mysterious

00:41:59.349 --> 00:42:01.469
symbols to encode information tens of thousands

00:42:01.469 --> 00:42:04.099
of years before the first writing systems. 40

00:42:04.099 --> 00:42:10.960
,000 -year -old artifacts. Yeah. So it's some

00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:13.619
kind of way of documenting things. Of communicating.

00:42:14.619 --> 00:42:18.760
You know, if these people like Graham Hancock

00:42:18.760 --> 00:42:21.539
and Randall Carlson are correct. There was some

00:42:21.539 --> 00:42:24.300
sort of a very, very advanced civilization pre

00:42:24.300 --> 00:42:27.780
-11 ,800 years ago. And this also coincides with

00:42:27.780 --> 00:42:30.800
the end of the Ice Age. It coincides with all

00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:32.739
of the ice caps over North America disappearing.

00:42:33.219 --> 00:42:35.639
Like North America was covered, like three -quarters

00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:37.400
of North America was covered with a mile -high

00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:39.840
sheet of ice. went away like that. That's why

00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:42.280
the Great Lakes exist. The Great Lakes are just

00:42:42.280 --> 00:42:45.000
that ice melted and then whatever was left just

00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:48.300
ran through the country and you can see the physical

00:42:48.300 --> 00:42:50.059
evidence of it when they show satellite images.

00:42:50.239 --> 00:42:52.519
It looks like enormous amounts of water just

00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:55.340
destroyed the landscape and completely carved

00:42:55.340 --> 00:42:57.719
it and changed it. What do you think happened

00:42:57.719 --> 00:43:00.099
with, and I wonder if you have, because you have

00:43:00.099 --> 00:43:01.519
so much extensive knowledge with the amazing

00:43:01.519 --> 00:43:04.400
guests that you have on the show, how did we

00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:11.960
go from Neanderthal or early man to this technology

00:43:11.960 --> 00:43:15.739
driven like really smart intelligent like what

00:43:15.739 --> 00:43:20.159
happened in in history in the evolution of human

00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:22.480
beings that we were able to make that switch

00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:24.820
so quick it's a real good question there's a

00:43:24.820 --> 00:43:28.139
lot of you know i mean i i've heard theories

00:43:28.139 --> 00:43:32.420
but i want to know yours um if i didn't worry

00:43:32.420 --> 00:43:36.259
at all about being ridiculous and i don't You

00:43:36.259 --> 00:43:40.739
don't. There was no need for that precursor.

00:43:40.739 --> 00:43:42.820
But if I didn't worry about that, I would say

00:43:42.820 --> 00:43:46.960
something helped us. That's what I think. I don't

00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:49.860
think it makes sense that that didn't take place.

00:43:50.780 --> 00:43:53.500
Yeah, it's crazy to think about how that happened

00:43:53.500 --> 00:43:55.639
and how quickly it happened. Yeah, there's a

00:43:55.639 --> 00:43:59.679
lot of weird stuff with us. Also, all those other

00:43:59.679 --> 00:44:01.699
primates are still around, except the early man

00:44:01.699 --> 00:44:05.230
ones. You know, that's what's weird. It's like,

00:44:05.309 --> 00:44:08.469
why aren't, you know, how come chimpanzees are

00:44:08.469 --> 00:44:11.409
kind of the same? How come all these other primates

00:44:11.409 --> 00:44:14.750
are kind of the same? And yet we need clothes

00:44:14.750 --> 00:44:16.909
to stay warm. Yeah, like a mammoth to an elephant.

00:44:17.289 --> 00:44:19.690
You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, still similar.

00:44:19.889 --> 00:44:23.090
Yeah, it makes sense. How do we have, like, planes?

00:44:23.190 --> 00:44:26.349
And why do we like things? And how could we make

00:44:26.349 --> 00:44:29.250
cups? Yeah, why do we change our environment

00:44:29.250 --> 00:44:32.489
that way? Why do we have this insatiable desire

00:44:32.489 --> 00:44:36.340
to innovate? Insatiable. That's the number one

00:44:36.340 --> 00:44:38.000
thing that we do. Constantly changing. Constantly

00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:40.059
making new and better things. Never satisfied

00:44:40.059 --> 00:44:42.599
with anything new. Everything has to be better.

00:44:42.739 --> 00:44:44.300
It doesn't matter how good your car is. What's

00:44:44.300 --> 00:44:46.360
the next year's model going to be? No matter

00:44:46.360 --> 00:44:48.039
what your phone does. I want better pictures,

00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:51.280
bitch. No matter what. It's always like we want

00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:53.559
something to be better all the time. We can one

00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:56.639
up what we had. What is that? I think it's built

00:44:56.639 --> 00:45:01.340
into us. And I think that is a part of this process

00:45:01.340 --> 00:45:04.710
of becoming a human being. And I think it's leading

00:45:04.710 --> 00:45:06.929
us to develop AI. That's what I really think.

00:45:07.070 --> 00:45:12.670
But I think we most likely something intervened.

00:45:12.889 --> 00:45:15.230
Now, there's a lot of people that think the rational

00:45:15.230 --> 00:45:17.730
people think that it was the invention of fire

00:45:17.730 --> 00:45:20.369
and the cooking of food that gave us better access

00:45:20.369 --> 00:45:23.050
to nutrition and protein and then innovating

00:45:23.050 --> 00:45:25.409
in order to hunt allowed the brain. But it was

00:45:25.409 --> 00:45:28.449
such an accelerated period of time. It went like

00:45:28.449 --> 00:45:31.449
so quickly. The human brain size doubled over

00:45:31.449 --> 00:45:33.429
a period of two million years, which is the greatest

00:45:33.429 --> 00:45:36.610
mystery in the entire fossil record. Yeah. Like

00:45:36.610 --> 00:45:41.610
what made that happen? We don't know. In religious

00:45:41.610 --> 00:45:44.969
texts, ancient religious texts, there's many

00:45:44.969 --> 00:45:50.269
stories of human beings breeding with something

00:45:50.269 --> 00:45:52.369
from somewhere else. That's a part of it. Alien

00:45:52.369 --> 00:45:55.050
intervention. Yes. Yes. Right. Without trying

00:45:55.050 --> 00:45:57.690
to sound ridiculous. Hyper intelligent life form.

00:45:57.849 --> 00:46:00.030
But if you think about it. I was watching a show

00:46:00.030 --> 00:46:02.230
about that and I was like, that makes sense.

00:46:02.610 --> 00:46:04.030
What was the show you were watching? Do you remember?

00:46:04.110 --> 00:46:11.519
Ancient Aliens. That show's the best. It's so

00:46:11.519 --> 00:46:15.079
silly. It's amazing. But I was like two in the

00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:17.659
morning. I'm like, oh. My friend Action Bronson,

00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:19.440
he used to do a show. He doesn't do that show

00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:21.780
anymore, does he? They would get super baked

00:46:21.780 --> 00:46:24.480
and watch Ancient Aliens. They'd be like, bro.

00:46:25.340 --> 00:46:29.139
Ancient Aliens is rad. I love that show. Two

00:46:29.139 --> 00:46:31.500
in the morning. Oh, it's fun. It's very fun.

00:46:31.639 --> 00:46:34.519
I think they're right about some of those things.

00:46:34.900 --> 00:46:37.360
I think there's something to it. I mean, that

00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:42.699
is. One of the oldest biblical texts that wasn't

00:46:42.699 --> 00:46:44.639
included in the canon that is the Bible is the

00:46:44.639 --> 00:46:49.199
Book of Enoch. And I had Anna Paulina Luna on

00:46:49.199 --> 00:46:51.320
the podcast, and she brought that up, and she

00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:53.739
was like, you really should read that. So I read

00:46:53.739 --> 00:46:55.360
it, and you start reading it, and you're like,

00:46:55.480 --> 00:46:58.880
wait, what the hell are they talking about? The

00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:02.519
Watchers came down from the sky to mate with

00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:06.179
humans and created the Nephilim, a race of giants

00:47:06.179 --> 00:47:09.260
that destroyed the earth? What are you talking

00:47:09.260 --> 00:47:11.699
about? Like, what is this? This is in the Bible

00:47:11.699 --> 00:47:13.519
and it would have been in the Bible if it not

00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:16.000
for a few rabbis that decided this doesn't jive

00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:17.980
with the Torah. And so they say, we got to get

00:47:17.980 --> 00:47:20.280
that out of there. And that's why it's not taught

00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:22.260
along with the book of Ezekiel and all these

00:47:22.260 --> 00:47:24.300
other things that are in the Old Testament. Wow.

00:47:24.679 --> 00:47:27.860
Versus like in Hindu mythology also, you know,

00:47:27.860 --> 00:47:32.739
we read about a time where God, human and demon

00:47:32.739 --> 00:47:37.360
existed at the same time and procreated. created

00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:41.159
different realms and, you know, life and stories

00:47:41.159 --> 00:47:44.539
and, you know, so it's like when you think about

00:47:44.539 --> 00:47:48.260
stories like that, stories, beliefs, you know,

00:47:48.260 --> 00:47:51.559
from around the world that have similar sort

00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:56.400
of color, it's almost like trying to connect

00:47:56.400 --> 00:47:58.960
the dots of what must have happened at that time,

00:47:58.980 --> 00:48:01.320
you know, all around the world. It's probably

00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:05.000
the same thing, you know, some sort of incredible

00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:10.909
technology. Yeah. And a lot of them have these

00:48:10.909 --> 00:48:15.630
stories of something of some kind of higher nature,

00:48:15.769 --> 00:48:19.829
higher power, higher technology intervening in

00:48:19.829 --> 00:48:23.409
the lives of human beings and even manipulating

00:48:23.409 --> 00:48:27.150
the process. Yeah, but isn't that what I think

00:48:27.150 --> 00:48:29.909
was referred to as the gods? Yes. Like if you

00:48:29.909 --> 00:48:33.420
think about the Roman. you know, or Egyptian

00:48:33.420 --> 00:48:36.340
gods. I don't want to speak about culture, but

00:48:36.340 --> 00:48:41.079
I can't even say about ours, but that power that

00:48:41.079 --> 00:48:45.280
we read about, you know, like if you go into

00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:49.380
it, I'm a big believer. So I think that, you

00:48:49.380 --> 00:48:52.800
know, was that... Like a real experience that

00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:55.079
happened to a human being at that time? A real

00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:57.460
experience with someone that had a limited vocabulary,

00:48:57.679 --> 00:48:59.739
a limited amount of knowledge, and a limited

00:48:59.739 --> 00:49:02.500
ability to write things down. And so they probably

00:49:02.500 --> 00:49:05.940
told these stories from whatever words they could

00:49:05.940 --> 00:49:08.739
use to describe what this was. Like if you were

00:49:08.739 --> 00:49:12.530
living 30... thousand years ago 40 ,000 years

00:49:12.530 --> 00:49:16.969
ago and a UFO landed a giant metallic disc landed

00:49:16.969 --> 00:49:19.389
and little tiny creatures came out and talked

00:49:19.389 --> 00:49:21.909
to you telepathically you don't have a written

00:49:21.909 --> 00:49:25.650
language you don't your cultures hunter -gatherers

00:49:25.650 --> 00:49:27.489
like how do you tell that story how do you tell

00:49:27.489 --> 00:49:29.670
that story and what are the people that you told

00:49:29.670 --> 00:49:32.250
that story to going to tell their children and

00:49:32.250 --> 00:49:35.289
their grandchildren for many many many many generations

00:49:35.289 --> 00:49:36.989
before anybody figures out how to write things

00:49:36.989 --> 00:49:40.099
down Totally. But another perspective on this,

00:49:40.179 --> 00:49:44.079
which people have is, is that our pragmatic,

00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:50.980
practical 2026 human trying to explain something

00:49:50.980 --> 00:49:53.900
that was magical and did exist at a time that

00:49:53.900 --> 00:49:56.679
we don't have an explanation for? Yeah. You know

00:49:56.679 --> 00:49:59.800
what I mean? For sure. Like, there's the other

00:49:59.800 --> 00:50:02.019
side of that with people that, you know, you

00:50:02.019 --> 00:50:06.070
hear so many stories of. visitations from the

00:50:06.070 --> 00:50:10.090
gods back then, you know, to humans and the divinity

00:50:10.090 --> 00:50:14.170
of, at least in my country for sure, of different

00:50:14.170 --> 00:50:16.989
avatars of gods coming down to earth to save

00:50:16.989 --> 00:50:20.250
humankind and to help in human salvation and

00:50:20.250 --> 00:50:24.769
to help them against evil. So when you hear of

00:50:24.769 --> 00:50:27.349
those stories, like the practical side of me

00:50:27.349 --> 00:50:29.170
would be like, are those human stories? And who

00:50:29.170 --> 00:50:32.659
is that? power that they were seeing at that

00:50:32.659 --> 00:50:34.320
time and then there's a side of you which is

00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:38.139
like there's so much we can't explain and sometimes

00:50:38.139 --> 00:50:43.960
have to like leave it to inexplicable magic of

00:50:43.960 --> 00:50:46.820
the universe like I'm someone who loves science

00:50:46.820 --> 00:50:51.139
but I also am a believer of that you just can't

00:50:51.139 --> 00:50:54.269
explain everything Well, even science itself,

00:50:54.630 --> 00:50:58.670
like hardcore materialist science. Totally. If

00:50:58.670 --> 00:51:01.489
you're trying to explain the Big Bang, good fucking

00:51:01.489 --> 00:51:05.050
luck. Good fucking luck making sense out of something

00:51:05.050 --> 00:51:07.050
smaller than the head of a pin that became everything

00:51:07.050 --> 00:51:10.570
that's in the universe. Okay. Explain that to

00:51:10.570 --> 00:51:15.929
me. Help me out. I mean, it's all theoretical

00:51:15.929 --> 00:51:19.329
and speculative and no one really knows. And

00:51:19.329 --> 00:51:21.489
then there's this concept of what took place

00:51:21.489 --> 00:51:23.909
before the Big Bang. And then there's Sir Roger

00:51:23.909 --> 00:51:26.269
Penrose's version of it, which is there's been

00:51:26.269 --> 00:51:29.429
many versions of the Big Bang expansion, then

00:51:29.429 --> 00:51:31.710
contraction, and that it's not the beginning,

00:51:31.789 --> 00:51:33.909
that it's part of an endless cycle. That's what

00:51:33.909 --> 00:51:36.659
I've... I mean, I've heard from in India as well,

00:51:36.739 --> 00:51:39.340
the believer belief that that was not kind of

00:51:39.340 --> 00:51:40.980
the beginning. There's been many beginnings and

00:51:40.980 --> 00:51:44.460
many ends that we have no idea of. That makes

00:51:44.460 --> 00:51:46.440
more sense to me. It makes more sense because

00:51:46.440 --> 00:51:49.480
I think the problem with a beginning, we're like,

00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:51.719
well, what was here originally? We always want

00:51:51.719 --> 00:51:53.699
to think of things in terms of our own biological

00:51:53.699 --> 00:51:55.599
limitations. We have a birth and we have a death.

00:51:55.699 --> 00:51:56.920
So we think that the universe probably has a

00:51:56.920 --> 00:51:58.960
birth. Everything has a limitation. But why?

00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:02.400
It's there. Like time. What is time's limitation?

00:52:04.489 --> 00:52:07.730
Who knows when? It's constant. It's never not

00:52:07.730 --> 00:52:10.969
been here. Yeah. So the idea that there was nothing

00:52:10.969 --> 00:52:12.409
before the universe, well, that doesn't even

00:52:12.409 --> 00:52:14.909
make sense. It's funny. When I was doing research

00:52:14.909 --> 00:52:19.030
for The Bluff, this movie, I went to the Cayman

00:52:19.030 --> 00:52:22.289
Islands for a couple of days to... get an understanding

00:52:22.289 --> 00:52:25.090
of the history of the islands. And the Caribbean

00:52:25.090 --> 00:52:27.550
is so interesting, especially Cayman, because

00:52:27.550 --> 00:52:30.250
it's in the middle of these trading routes between

00:52:30.250 --> 00:52:34.050
Honduras, Cuba, Mexico. So ships, when trading

00:52:34.050 --> 00:52:38.329
started, is when the Cayman was discovered, the

00:52:38.329 --> 00:52:40.210
islands were discovered. So when I went down

00:52:40.210 --> 00:52:41.690
there, I went to the museum, and they said, yeah,

00:52:41.690 --> 00:52:44.869
it was like the 1700s or 1800s when the first

00:52:44.869 --> 00:52:48.309
settlers came. And, you know, it started with

00:52:48.309 --> 00:52:51.500
family or like... People trying to run away or

00:52:51.500 --> 00:52:53.780
pirates or, you know, just people making pit

00:52:53.780 --> 00:52:58.099
stops before going to another country. And they

00:52:58.099 --> 00:53:00.400
said that that was the first time that there

00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:02.139
was any history of the island. And I was like,

00:53:02.159 --> 00:53:05.739
how's that possible? That only when, like, settlers

00:53:05.739 --> 00:53:09.420
found that place. And now, I mean, Cayman Islands,

00:53:09.559 --> 00:53:12.900
Cayman Islands. Right. But how, like, if you

00:53:12.900 --> 00:53:16.559
think about there's so many places in the world

00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:20.780
where. People and humans have existed way before

00:53:20.780 --> 00:53:23.360
we even have an understanding of or are willing

00:53:23.360 --> 00:53:26.420
to acknowledge. In many cultures it's different.

00:53:26.860 --> 00:53:30.239
But we just lost the history of it. That's possible

00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:35.159
too. That's what my argument was. We have to

00:53:35.159 --> 00:53:37.900
have lost the history of what happened prior.

00:53:37.900 --> 00:53:40.659
There's an entire culture from South America

00:53:40.659 --> 00:53:43.059
that we don't know who they were. The Olmecs.

00:53:43.300 --> 00:53:46.840
We have some giant carved heads. And we're like,

00:53:46.880 --> 00:53:50.940
oh, who did that? Where did that come from? They're

00:53:50.940 --> 00:53:53.159
thousands and thousands of years old. They look

00:53:53.159 --> 00:53:56.539
African. It's very strange. Have you seen Olmec

00:53:56.539 --> 00:53:59.739
heads? Oh, they look like this. That's an Olmec

00:53:59.739 --> 00:54:02.440
head. Like, how nuts is that? Like, that's a

00:54:02.440 --> 00:54:06.039
replica of these enormous heads that are in,

00:54:06.159 --> 00:54:10.849
I think, is it Peru? Luke Caverns, who's been

00:54:10.849 --> 00:54:13.449
on the podcast, he's a really fascinating guy

00:54:13.449 --> 00:54:17.929
who does a lot of research down there. He's been

00:54:17.929 --> 00:54:19.710
there and documented and he's like, they don't

00:54:19.710 --> 00:54:21.769
know who these people were. They don't know what

00:54:21.769 --> 00:54:23.710
their language was. They don't even know what

00:54:23.710 --> 00:54:26.489
they look like except for these images. And they

00:54:26.489 --> 00:54:27.789
don't even know if these images are supposed

00:54:27.789 --> 00:54:31.809
to be of them, like these statues. See if you

00:54:31.809 --> 00:54:33.750
can find some of these heads so you can see like

00:54:33.750 --> 00:54:38.590
the... the scale of them. So they left these

00:54:38.590 --> 00:54:40.929
enormous stone heads. They attribute it to this

00:54:40.929 --> 00:54:43.309
one civilization that they call the Olmecs. They

00:54:43.309 --> 00:54:45.409
just made a name up. But they don't know who

00:54:45.409 --> 00:54:46.829
the hell these people were. And look at their

00:54:46.829 --> 00:54:52.630
faces. Like, that's crazy. That's huge. Yeah.

00:54:52.889 --> 00:54:55.610
And do you know how old these might be? They

00:54:55.610 --> 00:54:58.449
don't really know, but I think... How many thousands

00:54:58.449 --> 00:55:04.269
of years old do they think they are, Jamie? Crazy

00:55:04.269 --> 00:55:10.889
stuff. Yeah. So at least 900 B .C. But what does

00:55:10.889 --> 00:55:14.010
that mean? Yeah. That's a guess. That's a guess.

00:55:14.110 --> 00:55:15.190
Because they don't know anything. A long time

00:55:15.190 --> 00:55:18.469
ago. A long time ago. Well, even the Aztecs.

00:55:18.530 --> 00:55:20.849
Do you know the Aztecs didn't build those temples?

00:55:21.389 --> 00:55:25.789
They found them. The Aztecs found the Aztec temples?

00:55:25.849 --> 00:55:28.730
They found them from an unknown previous civilization.

00:55:29.170 --> 00:55:31.909
Oh, my God. Yeah, they called those temples the

00:55:31.909 --> 00:55:35.130
place where the gods were born. Yeah. That's

00:55:35.130 --> 00:55:36.570
what they called them. And they just kind of

00:55:36.570 --> 00:55:39.469
like cleaned it up, which kind of makes sense

00:55:39.469 --> 00:55:41.269
because you think of like how barbaric the Aztecs

00:55:41.269 --> 00:55:44.869
were. Like they did some horrific shit. Like

00:55:44.869 --> 00:55:47.289
we were talking about one of the temples. I think

00:55:47.289 --> 00:55:49.710
it was Tenochtitlan when they consecrated it.

00:55:50.449 --> 00:55:56.190
They killed between 20 and 80 ,000 people. They

00:55:56.190 --> 00:55:59.760
sacrificed them in a period of four days. And

00:55:59.760 --> 00:56:02.119
so this is like right when the Spanish were first

00:56:02.119 --> 00:56:04.420
visiting Mexico thinking about taking over. And

00:56:04.420 --> 00:56:07.880
this guy Diaz, this Spanish chronicler said it

00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:10.699
was the fucking craziest thing. They killed 80

00:56:10.699 --> 00:56:12.920
,000 people, he said, over a period of four days.

00:56:12.980 --> 00:56:14.719
Just cut their hearts out and threw their bodies

00:56:14.719 --> 00:56:18.780
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.com to find a store near you. Like, so these

00:56:56.559 --> 00:56:58.480
are the people that were... Yeah, you think about,

00:56:58.539 --> 00:57:01.900
like, how countries were, like, conquests happen

00:57:01.900 --> 00:57:05.280
and, like, you know, we're living in the history

00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:10.769
of so many people's blood and... And sacrifices.

00:57:11.190 --> 00:57:14.329
And violence. And so much violence. An unfathomable

00:57:14.329 --> 00:57:16.269
amount of violence. How are humans so capable

00:57:16.269 --> 00:57:20.130
of that kind of violence? Having done a really

00:57:20.130 --> 00:57:23.010
violent movie right now. Because chimps. Because

00:57:23.010 --> 00:57:26.610
we're mostly chimp. And I think if you pay attention

00:57:26.610 --> 00:57:28.670
to chimps, like have you ever seen Chimp Nation

00:57:28.670 --> 00:57:32.590
on Netflix? No, I haven't. It's fantastic. It's

00:57:32.590 --> 00:57:37.570
just. It's spectacular because it is a very rare

00:57:37.570 --> 00:57:40.349
situation where this one particular group of

00:57:40.349 --> 00:57:43.440
chimpanzees, they were embedded with these. scientists

00:57:43.440 --> 00:57:45.980
for 20 years so the scientists had very specific

00:57:45.980 --> 00:57:48.340
rules don't get within 20 yards of them don't

00:57:48.340 --> 00:57:50.199
make eye contact with them don't have any food

00:57:50.199 --> 00:57:53.480
with you okay and don't don't interfere and they're

00:57:53.480 --> 00:57:56.179
they're totally accustomed to having people around

00:57:56.179 --> 00:57:58.239
them so they behave totally naturally yeah and

00:57:58.239 --> 00:58:00.699
so they wage war they have all these like crazy

00:58:00.699 --> 00:58:03.000
social dynamics so they behave like they would

00:58:03.000 --> 00:58:05.019
in the wild because they're used to these humans

00:58:05.019 --> 00:58:07.699
exactly and when you watch it you're like oh

00:58:07.699 --> 00:58:11.260
my god they are a lot like us They're a lot like

00:58:11.260 --> 00:58:14.400
us, just like very primitive, no language, but

00:58:14.400 --> 00:58:20.219
ultra violent. Chimps are ultra violent. I mean,

00:58:20.260 --> 00:58:22.039
one of their favorite foods, this guy was telling

00:58:22.039 --> 00:58:24.159
me, was monkeys. They just love eating monkeys.

00:58:24.380 --> 00:58:26.440
He goes, we saw them kill so many monkeys, we

00:58:26.440 --> 00:58:28.480
couldn't even document it. He goes, because if

00:58:28.480 --> 00:58:30.119
it would just be like, every day was like a monkey

00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:32.619
hunt. They would tear these monkeys apart and

00:58:32.619 --> 00:58:36.650
eat them alive. It's horrific. That's our ancestors.

00:58:36.989 --> 00:58:41.090
So what we are is a combination. Well, that explains

00:58:41.090 --> 00:58:43.590
it. Yeah, it explains it. We're a combination

00:58:43.590 --> 00:58:47.369
of some higher intelligence that interbred with

00:58:47.369 --> 00:58:51.090
a savage primate that's curious and created this

00:58:51.090 --> 00:58:54.190
weird hybrid, this weird thing. Listen, that's

00:58:54.190 --> 00:58:56.610
what ancient aliens told me. Yeah. And I believe

00:58:56.610 --> 00:58:59.010
it. I think they're right. They're right about

00:58:59.010 --> 00:59:01.369
that. Have you ever seen Chariots of the Gods?

00:59:01.670 --> 00:59:04.510
No. That's the original one. Eric Von Daniken.

00:59:04.550 --> 00:59:07.869
That was in like the 1970s. It was a movie, like

00:59:07.869 --> 00:59:10.469
a feature movie. I mean, I remember the movie,

00:59:10.530 --> 00:59:12.630
but I don't remember having seen it. Yeah. I

00:59:12.630 --> 00:59:15.349
had lunch with him once. Got a chance to question

00:59:15.349 --> 00:59:18.389
him about stuff. He's like a true believer. Yeah,

00:59:18.409 --> 00:59:19.389
what does he believe? Like a true believer. What

00:59:19.389 --> 00:59:21.829
are his beliefs? Well, he believes that everything

00:59:21.829 --> 00:59:24.690
is from aliens. That aliens came down and aliens

00:59:24.690 --> 00:59:26.730
taught people how to do things and aliens built

00:59:26.730 --> 00:59:32.159
all these things. I'm more in line of they intervened

00:59:32.159 --> 00:59:36.599
and created what we think of now as humans. And

00:59:36.599 --> 00:59:39.880
then humans figured out a different path of technology

00:59:39.880 --> 00:59:42.760
than we're on today. That we are on the path

00:59:42.760 --> 00:59:44.900
of internal combustion engines, electronics,

00:59:45.219 --> 00:59:48.519
electricity. And they were probably on some different

00:59:48.519 --> 00:59:52.119
path of technology, but as far down the path,

00:59:52.300 --> 01:00:01.000
if not more. figure out, including the transferring

01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:07.340
and the moving and shipping of enormous stone

01:00:07.340 --> 01:00:11.099
blocks without heavy machinery. We don't know

01:00:11.099 --> 01:00:13.639
what they were doing. Teleportation. I don't

01:00:13.639 --> 01:00:18.840
know. How did they cut them? If those structures

01:00:18.840 --> 01:00:22.320
that Filippo Biondi describes, if that's real,

01:00:22.420 --> 01:00:24.860
what was the pyramid then? Was it a machine?

01:00:26.570 --> 01:00:29.369
First, they created the structure. Imagine the

01:00:29.369 --> 01:00:32.949
foundation and the design that went into it.

01:00:33.050 --> 01:00:36.610
A half a mile deep into the earth. Crazy. What

01:00:36.610 --> 01:00:42.230
is that? What are you doing? I just know that

01:00:42.230 --> 01:00:46.170
we can't explain that quick evolution of humans

01:00:46.170 --> 01:00:52.119
from Neanderthal to highly intelligent. Yes,

01:00:52.119 --> 01:00:54.559
we can. Yeah. I mean, there's just a lot of people

01:00:54.559 --> 01:00:56.199
saying, well, we haven't filled in the gaps yet.

01:00:56.280 --> 01:00:58.619
Yeah. We don't really know. But the acceleration

01:00:58.619 --> 01:01:01.619
of the evolution is so spectacular. Vegans are

01:01:01.619 --> 01:01:03.199
hilarious. They attribute it to people eating

01:01:03.199 --> 01:01:05.599
tubers. I had a conversation with a guy. He's

01:01:05.599 --> 01:01:07.239
like, we're thinking it's probably tubers. Like,

01:01:07.260 --> 01:01:09.960
what, roots? You mean like bears eat? Shut the

01:01:09.960 --> 01:01:12.460
fuck up. That is the dumbest explanation. That

01:01:12.460 --> 01:01:14.519
didn't even make any sense. I'm vegan. Are you

01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:18.000
really? No, I'm joking. Congratulations. There's

01:01:18.000 --> 01:01:19.780
no way you could be. No, I just had barbecue.

01:01:19.780 --> 01:01:21.539
You would already fall asleep. For breakfast,

01:01:21.659 --> 01:01:24.099
I had brisket. I was like, I'm here in Austin

01:01:24.099 --> 01:01:26.599
for two hours. Yeah, you have to have barbecue

01:01:26.599 --> 01:01:30.739
if you come here. Yeah. I just think that whatever

01:01:30.739 --> 01:01:35.039
happened, we don't know. And I would not rule

01:01:35.039 --> 01:01:38.409
out intervention. And I wouldn't think that an

01:01:38.409 --> 01:01:40.449
intelligent species from somewhere else, if they

01:01:40.449 --> 01:01:43.449
did find these very curious primates that may

01:01:43.449 --> 01:01:45.769
already be working with sticks and rocks and

01:01:45.769 --> 01:01:47.469
stuff like that, that they wouldn't intervene

01:01:47.469 --> 01:01:50.670
because we do it. We're doing it right now. We're

01:01:50.670 --> 01:01:52.369
doing it right now with animals. It's human nature

01:01:52.369 --> 01:01:55.489
to do it. If we went to a planet somewhere and

01:01:55.489 --> 01:01:58.599
we found some... fucking frogs or some weird

01:01:58.599 --> 01:02:01.440
animals, but nothing big. We might drop a deer

01:02:01.440 --> 01:02:03.480
off in there and see what happens. You know,

01:02:03.519 --> 01:02:06.920
we might bring some birds in. You and Stephanie

01:02:06.920 --> 01:02:09.219
would. We would intervene. They're doing genetic

01:02:09.219 --> 01:02:11.260
manipulation of animals right now to bring back

01:02:11.260 --> 01:02:14.239
extinct life. That's how they brought back the

01:02:14.239 --> 01:02:18.500
dire wolf. This company called Colossal, Colossal

01:02:18.500 --> 01:02:21.960
Bioworks, I saw it. I touched it. I went to –

01:02:21.960 --> 01:02:25.400
Like – Yes. I went to the place where they're

01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:28.659
holding these wolves and I got to – me and my

01:02:28.659 --> 01:02:32.000
daughter got to cuddle with a baby dire wolf.

01:02:32.199 --> 01:02:35.159
They had two semi -adults at the time. I think

01:02:35.159 --> 01:02:36.639
they were like eight or nine months old. And

01:02:36.639 --> 01:02:39.480
they've been extinct since when? 10 ,000 years.

01:02:40.119 --> 01:02:43.079
Stop it. Yeah. Somewhere in the range of that.

01:02:43.500 --> 01:02:46.639
I mean – Oh, my God. Yeah. When did direwolves

01:02:46.639 --> 01:02:49.559
go extinct? I think they were part of the megafauna

01:02:49.559 --> 01:02:51.579
that went extinct during the impact. Because

01:02:51.579 --> 01:02:56.460
65 % of all megafauna on Earth, and particularly

01:02:56.460 --> 01:02:58.719
in North America, went extinct around the same

01:02:58.719 --> 01:03:02.099
time. Woolly mammoths. And do we know why? They

01:03:02.099 --> 01:03:03.480
don't. Around the same time? There's a lot of

01:03:03.480 --> 01:03:04.800
hypotheses. Like, was there something that happened

01:03:04.800 --> 01:03:07.960
then? The rational people? Not me, but the rational

01:03:07.960 --> 01:03:10.739
people think it was the berserker theory, which

01:03:10.739 --> 01:03:13.920
means that human beings killed so many mammoths

01:03:13.920 --> 01:03:16.519
that we wiped them out to extinction. But this

01:03:16.519 --> 01:03:19.519
is with atlatls. Like, it doesn't make total

01:03:19.519 --> 01:03:21.719
sense. It's like, how did you get? There's not

01:03:21.719 --> 01:03:23.760
even that many people. How'd you do that? And

01:03:23.760 --> 01:03:25.980
then there's also stuff like the American lion,

01:03:26.239 --> 01:03:28.460
which was bigger than the African lion. How do

01:03:28.460 --> 01:03:30.679
we kill that off with a fucking stick? Like,

01:03:30.699 --> 01:03:34.099
shut the fuck up. Something had to have happened.

01:03:34.260 --> 01:03:38.269
Well, they found... mass gravesites of mammoths,

01:03:38.289 --> 01:03:40.170
where there's like hundreds of them dead, all

01:03:40.170 --> 01:03:41.730
in one place, that seem to have died at the same

01:03:41.730 --> 01:03:43.650
time. Not only that, some of them have broken

01:03:43.650 --> 01:03:45.269
legs. It seems to indicate some great impact.

01:03:45.409 --> 01:03:49.269
Yeah, so it had to have been like some asteroid

01:03:49.269 --> 01:03:52.150
or something that created that kind of impact

01:03:52.150 --> 01:03:56.150
immediately. But 65 % of all North American megafauna

01:03:56.150 --> 01:03:58.869
died at the same time. That's so crazy. Yeah,

01:03:58.869 --> 01:04:01.329
within a time period. And they think that the

01:04:01.329 --> 01:04:04.260
Younger Dryas impact theory people... Think like

01:04:04.260 --> 01:04:06.800
this is not a coincidence that this coincides

01:04:06.800 --> 01:04:10.639
with the end of the Ice Age and also coincides

01:04:10.639 --> 01:04:13.320
with where the core samples. Too many coincidences.

01:04:13.480 --> 01:04:16.940
Yeah. And also the coincides with the fact that

01:04:16.940 --> 01:04:20.960
these animals were all here at one point in time.

01:04:21.000 --> 01:04:23.280
They all got wiped out except a very few. There's

01:04:23.280 --> 01:04:26.960
only a few left. Like there's the pronghorn antelope,

01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:29.699
which is a really weird one. It's this prehistoric

01:04:29.699 --> 01:04:32.000
antelope that lives in North America. And it's

01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:34.630
different than every other. animal here because

01:04:34.630 --> 01:04:37.750
it's evolved to get away from cheetahs because

01:04:37.750 --> 01:04:39.869
we used to have cheetahs in North America. So

01:04:39.869 --> 01:04:43.710
it can run like 55 miles. It fucking books. I've

01:04:43.710 --> 01:04:45.230
seen them in real life. They're really weird

01:04:45.230 --> 01:04:49.349
looking. They look prehistoric. They fly. That's

01:04:49.349 --> 01:04:50.949
what it looks like. See if you can get a look

01:04:50.949 --> 01:04:53.409
at its face. Can you see it head on? They're

01:04:53.409 --> 01:04:56.110
so strange. Like their eyeballs are on the sides

01:04:56.110 --> 01:04:57.769
of their heads because something was coming at

01:04:57.769 --> 01:05:01.150
them like, you know, 55 miles an hour at full

01:05:01.150 --> 01:05:05.280
clip. And so. They're really, really alert. And

01:05:05.280 --> 01:05:08.199
they have incredible vision. Wow. And that's

01:05:08.199 --> 01:05:11.239
a leftover animal. That's a leftover animal from

01:05:11.239 --> 01:05:13.760
a time where they were being preyed upon by something

01:05:13.760 --> 01:05:15.960
that doesn't exist anymore. And that something

01:05:15.960 --> 01:05:19.800
was wiped out along with the American lion. A

01:05:19.800 --> 01:05:23.320
bigger lion than the African lion lived right

01:05:23.320 --> 01:05:25.739
here. That's huge. That's crazy. I was filming

01:05:25.739 --> 01:05:30.400
in Africa recently in Kenya. For this Indian

01:05:30.400 --> 01:05:34.639
movie I'm doing called Varanasi. And we shot

01:05:34.639 --> 01:05:38.539
with wildebeests. As in like in the middle of

01:05:38.539 --> 01:05:40.820
them. Me and my co -actor Mahesh were in the

01:05:40.820 --> 01:05:43.500
middle of these wildebeests that were all around

01:05:43.500 --> 01:05:46.659
us while they were migrating. It's like the coolest

01:05:46.659 --> 01:05:49.179
thing I've ever seen. But when you see their

01:05:49.179 --> 01:05:53.820
faces and for how many years... of them have

01:05:53.820 --> 01:05:55.900
existed. You know, you feel the gravity when

01:05:55.900 --> 01:06:00.599
you see these animals in the wild. Yeah. It's

01:06:00.599 --> 01:06:02.920
crazy. It's so much different than a zoo, right?

01:06:03.099 --> 01:06:05.099
Oh, completely. Because you're like, oh, they've

01:06:05.099 --> 01:06:06.860
always been here like this. Yeah, this is their

01:06:06.860 --> 01:06:09.260
home. This is what they do. We're in it. You

01:06:09.260 --> 01:06:12.949
feel a sense of like... Stay in your jeep. Well,

01:06:12.969 --> 01:06:15.030
I think we're numb to it because we watch it

01:06:15.030 --> 01:06:17.929
on film and so that we get sort of desensitized

01:06:17.929 --> 01:06:20.469
and normalized to this idea of wildlife. Oh,

01:06:20.570 --> 01:06:22.369
there's the lion sneaking up on the wildebeest.

01:06:22.369 --> 01:06:25.630
How cool. But when you're there and you see a

01:06:25.630 --> 01:06:27.230
lion, you see a wildebeest, you're like, this

01:06:27.230 --> 01:06:30.429
is fucking crazy. This is all day long, every

01:06:30.429 --> 01:06:32.750
day, these life forms competing to try to exist

01:06:32.750 --> 01:06:35.130
and stay alive. And there's this weird balance

01:06:35.130 --> 01:06:38.010
where all of them... They still exist. Yeah.

01:06:38.320 --> 01:06:40.340
There will be wildebeest right there and there

01:06:40.340 --> 01:06:42.599
will be a lion right here who's eaten. So they're

01:06:42.599 --> 01:06:44.539
hanging out together. The wildebeest knows that

01:06:44.539 --> 01:06:46.900
he's eaten. He's not coming after us. And they

01:06:46.900 --> 01:06:50.900
exist. But at the same time, during hunting season,

01:06:51.039 --> 01:06:55.059
you see the hunt happen. And I saw a hunt happen.

01:06:55.119 --> 01:06:58.519
And that's crazy that that's their life. Yeah.

01:06:58.860 --> 01:07:01.219
With their face. They kill things with their

01:07:01.219 --> 01:07:05.590
face. Like literally. There's a really extraordinary

01:07:05.590 --> 01:07:08.929
island in Africa where the river changed courses

01:07:08.929 --> 01:07:14.570
and it left this one pack of lions on this one

01:07:14.570 --> 01:07:17.889
island that only has water buffalo on it. And

01:07:17.889 --> 01:07:21.170
so these lions became enormous. And the female

01:07:21.170 --> 01:07:23.849
lions are as big as male lions everywhere else.

01:07:23.869 --> 01:07:25.690
And the male lions are way bigger than they are

01:07:25.690 --> 01:07:27.889
anywhere else. I think there's the documentary.

01:07:27.949 --> 01:07:30.090
I think it's called Relentless Enemies. But it's

01:07:30.090 --> 01:07:33.050
because they look like these jacked bodybuilder

01:07:33.050 --> 01:07:36.829
lions. Those water buffaloes are huge. I had

01:07:36.829 --> 01:07:39.469
one staring at me like we were in Kenya. I'm

01:07:39.469 --> 01:07:42.500
like the video villages that we're filming. And

01:07:42.500 --> 01:07:45.320
it's far away, but it just turned his head and

01:07:45.320 --> 01:07:46.980
just looked at me and then just kept looking

01:07:46.980 --> 01:07:49.800
at me. And I swear I had to, like, get up and

01:07:49.800 --> 01:07:52.699
get out of its view because it just kept staring.

01:07:53.019 --> 01:07:55.400
I was like, it's coming at me. They will come

01:07:55.400 --> 01:07:57.280
at you. Yeah, for sure. They kill people all

01:07:57.280 --> 01:07:58.460
the time. The rangers told us. They were like,

01:07:58.539 --> 01:08:02.179
oh, I think he's engaged with you maybe. Maybe

01:08:02.179 --> 01:08:05.980
get out of here. Get into your car. Yeah, there's

01:08:05.980 --> 01:08:08.639
that poor lady who was a video editor on the

01:08:08.639 --> 01:08:11.099
Game of Thrones, and she went to do a safari

01:08:11.099 --> 01:08:13.539
there, and one of the lions pulled her out of

01:08:13.539 --> 01:08:16.859
her car. Out of her car? Yeah, she rolled the

01:08:16.859 --> 01:08:19.680
window down, or someone rolled the window down,

01:08:19.800 --> 01:08:22.439
and a female lion just snatched her out of the

01:08:22.439 --> 01:08:26.760
car and killed her. Oh, my God. Yeah. You have

01:08:26.760 --> 01:08:29.340
to listen to your rangers. Yeah. When you're

01:08:29.340 --> 01:08:32.260
in these situations. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, she

01:08:32.260 --> 01:08:34.680
wanted a better picture or something. Yeah, that's

01:08:34.680 --> 01:08:36.779
the shit that gets people into trouble. Oh, yeah.

01:08:37.239 --> 01:08:40.979
One of our rangers was telling us a story. We

01:08:40.979 --> 01:08:43.520
were in Masai Mara, and they were like, they

01:08:43.520 --> 01:08:46.560
have open jeeps, and you have food that they

01:08:46.560 --> 01:08:48.979
keep really hidden so that the animals can't

01:08:48.979 --> 01:08:52.100
smell it under your seats and stuff. And he was

01:08:52.100 --> 01:08:54.680
telling a story about this influencer. He's driving,

01:08:54.859 --> 01:08:58.220
and there's a pack of lions. The lion's just

01:08:58.220 --> 01:09:01.079
eaten, so he's sleeping. And this influencer

01:09:01.079 --> 01:09:03.880
who puts his hand outside to try and touch the

01:09:03.880 --> 01:09:07.210
lion's head. and got it on video and survived

01:09:07.210 --> 01:09:10.189
to tell the story and then he was banned and

01:09:10.189 --> 01:09:13.569
the ranger was like fired from his job and all

01:09:13.569 --> 01:09:16.069
of that happened but for the image can you imagine

01:09:16.069 --> 01:09:20.310
what a fucking idiot all for the gram oh my gosh

01:09:20.310 --> 01:09:24.789
that was crazy yeah i mean there i mean i don't

01:09:24.789 --> 01:09:27.210
want anything bad to happen to anybody but when

01:09:27.210 --> 01:09:28.930
someone does something like that and does get

01:09:28.930 --> 01:09:33.180
killed it's probably better Educationally for

01:09:33.180 --> 01:09:36.039
the human race. But is it, though? Are we really

01:09:36.039 --> 01:09:38.279
learning from other people and their examples?

01:09:38.579 --> 01:09:41.180
Some people aren't learning shit. Nobody's learning

01:09:41.180 --> 01:09:44.539
shit. We're just trying to put the best versions

01:09:44.539 --> 01:09:46.760
of ourselves on the ground. Like, that's what's

01:09:46.760 --> 01:09:49.699
happening right now. Whether it's true or not.

01:09:50.180 --> 01:09:53.380
Yeah. But are we learning? Yeah, that's a good

01:09:53.380 --> 01:09:55.439
question. I don't know. I mean, I think we are

01:09:55.439 --> 01:09:57.859
also so desensitized to it. There's so much information

01:09:57.859 --> 01:10:01.050
that comes your way and misinformation now. where

01:10:01.050 --> 01:10:03.689
being able to discern what's real and what's

01:10:03.689 --> 01:10:06.029
not now, that's hard as well. Oh, it's harder

01:10:06.029 --> 01:10:08.729
than it's ever been. Totally. And then if you

01:10:08.729 --> 01:10:11.229
do watch something and you're like, I'm going

01:10:11.229 --> 01:10:14.090
to implement in my life, we do it for a very

01:10:14.090 --> 01:10:16.090
short duration. Very few of us follow through

01:10:16.090 --> 01:10:17.810
with that, right? Like you're watching a reel

01:10:17.810 --> 01:10:20.050
or somebody says something and you're like, that's

01:10:20.050 --> 01:10:23.170
really cool. Are we going to pull on that thread

01:10:23.170 --> 01:10:25.810
and follow through and do something about it

01:10:25.810 --> 01:10:28.890
or learn from it? I don't know. I feel like we've

01:10:28.890 --> 01:10:36.020
lost a lot of, That space where we had the time

01:10:36.020 --> 01:10:40.020
or the desire to want to, you know, fulfill ourselves

01:10:40.020 --> 01:10:43.039
versus just that with so much coming at you.

01:10:43.500 --> 01:10:46.199
I think collectively as a society, I think we

01:10:46.199 --> 01:10:48.760
learn and then we forget and then we have to

01:10:48.760 --> 01:10:51.079
relearn again. Yeah. You know, that's that's.

01:10:51.079 --> 01:10:54.159
But the attention span now where, you know, I

01:10:54.159 --> 01:10:58.000
remember when I was growing up, like just having.

01:10:58.859 --> 01:11:02.479
the languidity of time, right, in a very different

01:11:02.479 --> 01:11:05.119
way. And this is like, say, 30 years ago, 30,

01:11:05.220 --> 01:11:10.600
35 years ago of, you know, reading a book, music

01:11:10.600 --> 01:11:14.300
playing, hanging out with your parents or your

01:11:14.300 --> 01:11:18.720
friends without being rushed, just rushed. You

01:11:18.720 --> 01:11:22.399
know, I don't remember feeling as rushed as I

01:11:22.399 --> 01:11:26.000
do now in the last 20 years when I was growing

01:11:26.000 --> 01:11:29.859
up. Like there was time for stuff. Yeah. Well,

01:11:29.939 --> 01:11:33.819
certainly the Internet has accelerated that.

01:11:34.460 --> 01:11:37.600
And certainly people's attention spans are at

01:11:37.600 --> 01:11:39.600
least pulled in the direction of short attention

01:11:39.600 --> 01:11:43.619
span content. But at the same time, podcasts

01:11:43.619 --> 01:11:46.619
have emerged, which is interesting. It's so interesting.

01:11:47.689 --> 01:11:49.590
I was talking about this to a friend of mine.

01:11:49.609 --> 01:11:52.670
People who have no time or interest in wanting

01:11:52.670 --> 01:11:56.369
to commit to, say, a movie will watch or listen

01:11:56.369 --> 01:12:00.109
to a podcast for two or three hours. And for

01:12:00.109 --> 01:12:04.789
someone like me, who I've been an actor for most

01:12:04.789 --> 01:12:08.710
of my life, my interface with people would be

01:12:08.710 --> 01:12:11.460
an interview, say, for example. people who knew

01:12:11.460 --> 01:12:13.300
me or audiences that wanted to know about me,

01:12:13.359 --> 01:12:17.260
would be an interview where the highlights are

01:12:17.260 --> 01:12:19.500
really what you read, the clickbait lines are

01:12:19.500 --> 01:12:21.539
really what you read, and you form a relationship

01:12:21.539 --> 01:12:25.220
with whoever this public person is based on those

01:12:25.220 --> 01:12:28.699
few lines versus this format where you're just

01:12:28.699 --> 01:12:33.239
chatting for a few hours and you have the ability

01:12:33.239 --> 01:12:35.939
to really be yourself and be seen as yourself,

01:12:36.199 --> 01:12:38.940
which is why I think people really love... podcasts

01:12:38.940 --> 01:12:41.579
well i think it's much more illuminating in terms

01:12:41.579 --> 01:12:43.340
of if you want to like find out who a person

01:12:43.340 --> 01:12:45.319
really is yeah because you can't really hide

01:12:45.319 --> 01:12:48.579
for three hours like that's who you are and i

01:12:48.579 --> 01:12:52.859
think for most people that's scary right and

01:12:52.859 --> 01:12:55.500
so what they like about those fake shows like

01:12:55.500 --> 01:12:58.220
good morning america or whatever it is you know

01:12:58.220 --> 01:13:00.050
what i mean like you're sitting down You know,

01:13:00.090 --> 01:13:01.850
the guy's got a piece of paper. So he's got a

01:13:01.850 --> 01:13:03.689
few questions he's going to ask you. And they're

01:13:03.689 --> 01:13:06.250
all going to be like very surface, very jovial.

01:13:06.789 --> 01:13:08.710
What's it like to be married? You know, what's

01:13:08.710 --> 01:13:10.170
it like to do this? What's it like to do that?

01:13:10.529 --> 01:13:12.449
So you had a baby. Congratulations. That kind

01:13:12.449 --> 01:13:14.649
of shit. And then you're out of there. It's 10

01:13:14.649 --> 01:13:15.930
minutes. And you're like, oh, that went well.

01:13:16.210 --> 01:13:18.729
And then nobody knows anything about you. It's

01:13:18.729 --> 01:13:20.850
true that you're just basically known by the

01:13:20.850 --> 01:13:23.680
top. four questions that everybody asks you so

01:13:23.680 --> 01:13:25.359
it's like the same four questions that everybody

01:13:25.359 --> 01:13:28.520
asks right um and what was it like to work with

01:13:28.520 --> 01:13:30.779
this person what was she like in person what

01:13:30.779 --> 01:13:33.359
was he like for me mostly it's like a lot about

01:13:33.359 --> 01:13:36.720
my family like it it's like that my identity

01:13:36.720 --> 01:13:39.420
starts there and then everything else comes after

01:13:39.420 --> 01:13:42.899
well you're fascinating in that you you've done

01:13:42.899 --> 01:13:45.920
movies in two different cultures so like i wanted

01:13:45.920 --> 01:13:48.140
to ask you about that like what is the bollywood

01:13:48.799 --> 01:13:50.840
scene like because I wasn't even aware of it

01:13:50.840 --> 01:13:53.159
until like 20 years ago I didn't know that like

01:13:53.159 --> 01:13:57.199
Bollywood is like this enormous like the amount

01:13:57.199 --> 01:13:59.739
of films that are produced in India is kind of

01:13:59.739 --> 01:14:03.939
crazy yeah it's a big business huge huge hundred

01:14:03.939 --> 01:14:06.239
and something years of Indian cinema just recently

01:14:07.510 --> 01:14:11.350
So a very, very old industry. We started with

01:14:11.350 --> 01:14:14.810
silent movies and have worked our way now to,

01:14:14.890 --> 01:14:16.590
and that's not just Bollywood. I'll break that

01:14:16.590 --> 01:14:18.770
down in a second. Because India is so diverse

01:14:18.770 --> 01:14:20.949
and we have so many different languages, again,

01:14:21.010 --> 01:14:23.109
excuse me, I didn't know the exact number, but

01:14:23.109 --> 01:14:28.470
we have local industries that make movies in

01:14:28.470 --> 01:14:33.899
those languages. So Bollywood is... Bombay it

01:14:33.899 --> 01:14:36.439
comes from Bombay I think that's why it was coined

01:14:36.439 --> 01:14:39.220
that name from Hollywood but the Bombay movie

01:14:39.220 --> 01:14:42.020
industry again it was not us that did that it

01:14:42.020 --> 01:14:43.819
was a name that was given to us I don't know

01:14:43.819 --> 01:14:46.840
by who but Bollywood is the Hindi language industry

01:14:46.840 --> 01:14:50.960
which exists in Mumbai which is like LA It's

01:14:50.960 --> 01:14:54.239
huge. We make thousands and thousands of movies.

01:14:54.279 --> 01:14:57.840
But then there's also Telugu, Tamil, Punjabi,

01:14:57.979 --> 01:15:02.520
Malayalam, Marathi, Bhojpuri. These are all robust

01:15:02.520 --> 01:15:06.199
industries that are localized within every state

01:15:06.199 --> 01:15:10.420
that also exists. So cumulatively, we make thousands

01:15:10.420 --> 01:15:12.560
and thousands of movies a year, but it's catered

01:15:12.560 --> 01:15:15.319
to very, very different audiences within the

01:15:15.319 --> 01:15:20.210
diversity of India. Wow. How many people have

01:15:20.210 --> 01:15:23.390
come from India, like you, and become stars in

01:15:23.390 --> 01:15:25.590
Western movies? I think there have been a few

01:15:25.590 --> 01:15:27.810
before me, you know, that have done work. That

01:15:27.810 --> 01:15:31.829
first one I heard of. No one's made it to me

01:15:31.829 --> 01:15:35.409
yet. Well, thank you. Yes, I think that it's

01:15:35.409 --> 01:15:38.369
been few and far in between. I think America

01:15:38.369 --> 01:15:41.890
is a really hard country to break into, to be

01:15:41.890 --> 01:15:45.689
relevant in. It's tough. And also, like, I think

01:15:45.689 --> 01:15:49.520
Hollywood... controls a large part of the global

01:15:49.520 --> 01:15:52.460
entertainment business. So as an actor from anywhere

01:15:52.460 --> 01:15:55.800
in the world, if you want to break into the English

01:15:55.800 --> 01:15:59.000
language, global entertainment, Hollywood system,

01:15:59.460 --> 01:16:04.359
it's not easy to do that. You know, culturally

01:16:04.359 --> 01:16:06.439
it's different, language is different, jokes

01:16:06.439 --> 01:16:10.739
are different. So that's a tough transition.

01:16:10.819 --> 01:16:15.640
But it's also like, for me, I... I went to high

01:16:15.640 --> 01:16:17.659
school. Oh, by the way, you went to Newton and

01:16:17.659 --> 01:16:19.720
I went to Newton, too. Did you really? I went

01:16:19.720 --> 01:16:21.619
to Newton North. You went to Newton South. Yeah.

01:16:21.979 --> 01:16:25.319
That's funny. That's crazy. Yeah. So I was in

01:16:25.319 --> 01:16:29.460
high school in the States. And I, you know, so

01:16:29.460 --> 01:16:31.479
it wasn't like alien to me. It's not like I was

01:16:31.479 --> 01:16:33.659
in India and I was like, I want to go to America

01:16:33.659 --> 01:16:37.100
and start working there. I really wanted to.

01:16:37.770 --> 01:16:40.409
see what it would be like if I came down here

01:16:40.409 --> 01:16:42.649
would there be an opportunity for someone like

01:16:42.649 --> 01:16:48.430
me to you know be able to create an impact many

01:16:48.430 --> 01:16:50.850
years later I feel like you know I'm on my way

01:16:50.850 --> 01:16:54.109
there but there have been so many actors whose

01:16:54.109 --> 01:16:56.670
shoulders I've stood on so Indian like Indian

01:16:56.670 --> 01:16:59.909
casting in English language entertainment whether

01:16:59.909 --> 01:17:02.850
it was Hollywood or you know British entertainment

01:17:02.850 --> 01:17:07.520
wherever was usually by us seen as you know,

01:17:07.520 --> 01:17:10.920
a diversity check. So it was mostly a stereotypical

01:17:10.920 --> 01:17:14.720
actor or a stereotypical character with an actor

01:17:14.720 --> 01:17:17.199
having to speak in the accent or having to like

01:17:17.199 --> 01:17:20.000
do the, be a little bit more Indian. What does

01:17:20.000 --> 01:17:22.640
that even mean? Did someone tell you that? I

01:17:22.640 --> 01:17:24.979
was told in an audition, I think we needed the

01:17:24.979 --> 01:17:27.699
character to be a little bit more Indian. And

01:17:27.699 --> 01:17:30.399
I just like didn't even understand why. There's

01:17:30.399 --> 01:17:33.479
so many versions of that, but I think what the...

01:17:33.800 --> 01:17:36.260
Like this person meant was have a little bit

01:17:36.260 --> 01:17:39.000
more of the accent. Be the character. Yeah, be

01:17:39.000 --> 01:17:41.619
the character, which was really tough to break

01:17:41.619 --> 01:17:44.960
out of. So, you know, at a time when it was only

01:17:44.960 --> 01:17:47.460
that work that existed in Hollywood, like those

01:17:47.460 --> 01:17:49.439
are the actors whose shoulders I stand on. Like

01:17:49.439 --> 01:17:51.300
those were the ones that went in and did that

01:17:51.300 --> 01:17:53.319
work because that was all that was available.

01:17:53.399 --> 01:17:57.239
And, you know, tried to break through, especially

01:17:57.239 --> 01:18:01.739
from like India, for example. Aishwarya Rai,

01:18:01.899 --> 01:18:05.039
Amitabh Bachchan, Irrfan Khan. They've been actors

01:18:05.039 --> 01:18:08.000
that have come in, done work and, you know, left

01:18:08.000 --> 01:18:11.439
an amazing mark. But I moved here. I live here

01:18:11.439 --> 01:18:15.119
now. And, you know, I'm consistently working

01:18:15.119 --> 01:18:17.239
here. I think that also may have been a part

01:18:17.239 --> 01:18:21.760
of why you've heard of me. Yes, I'm sure. Well,

01:18:21.840 --> 01:18:23.739
I've seen you interviewed, too, which is why

01:18:23.739 --> 01:18:25.600
I thought you were interesting. Thank you. I

01:18:25.600 --> 01:18:28.939
appreciate that. I think you're very interesting.

01:18:30.359 --> 01:18:33.899
knowledge of the world is fascinating to me well

01:18:33.899 --> 01:18:37.939
it's all accidental cool how cool is that yeah

01:18:37.939 --> 01:18:41.020
it's cool that's amazing I started this thing

01:18:41.020 --> 01:18:45.010
out with my friend Brian and a laptop We were

01:18:45.010 --> 01:18:47.369
just talking shit. We just thought it'd be fun

01:18:47.369 --> 01:18:50.390
to do a little internet thing. Wow, how inspiring.

01:18:50.810 --> 01:18:53.689
And that was 16 years ago. You're someone who's

01:18:53.689 --> 01:18:55.930
pivoted your career so many times too, though.

01:18:56.550 --> 01:19:00.289
Sort of, but it's all the same thing in that

01:19:00.289 --> 01:19:02.529
I've only just done things I'm interested in

01:19:02.529 --> 01:19:05.069
other than Fear Factor. That was just a job.

01:19:05.130 --> 01:19:06.949
You know, I also hosted Fear Factor. Did you?

01:19:07.810 --> 01:19:10.710
No. Shut up. For one year. Really? I did. Where?

01:19:10.970 --> 01:19:13.850
In Brazil. In India. Shut the fuck up. That's

01:19:13.850 --> 01:19:17.689
crazy. And we shot it in Brazil, in Rio. Wow.

01:19:19.109 --> 01:19:21.850
That's nuts. We have such random things in common.

01:19:21.989 --> 01:19:24.369
That is crazy. That's a crazy thing in common.

01:19:24.489 --> 01:19:26.569
I need to see that. Let me see that. Find a clip.

01:19:27.050 --> 01:19:29.789
This is hilarious. What language did you do it

01:19:29.789 --> 01:19:33.470
in? Hindi. Wow. And it was in Rio, huh? We shot

01:19:33.470 --> 01:19:38.060
it in Rio. We had a big budget that year. So

01:19:38.060 --> 01:19:40.199
we were all flown out. So it was Fear Factor

01:19:40.199 --> 01:19:42.060
India. I wonder how many versions of Fear Factor

01:19:42.060 --> 01:19:44.319
there were. I mean, they're all over the world.

01:19:44.899 --> 01:19:47.239
Really? Yeah. Fear Factor used to exist all over.

01:19:47.300 --> 01:19:49.060
I don't know anymore, but back in the day. Once

01:19:49.060 --> 01:19:51.060
I stopped doing it, I stopped paying attention.

01:19:51.300 --> 01:19:54.380
I was like, I'm out. Me too. So I knew Ludacris

01:19:54.380 --> 01:19:56.420
took it over at one point in time, and now Johnny

01:19:56.420 --> 01:19:58.600
Knoxville's doing it. That's all I knew. I had

01:19:58.600 --> 01:20:01.260
no idea that there was a bunch of different language

01:20:01.260 --> 01:20:03.909
versions of it. Yeah, yeah. You know, it originally

01:20:03.909 --> 01:20:06.729
came from a Holland show called Now or Neverland.

01:20:06.970 --> 01:20:11.710
It's a crazy show. Yeah. It was way more simple.

01:20:11.829 --> 01:20:13.930
And then when it got brought to America, they

01:20:13.930 --> 01:20:16.649
decided to call it Fear Factor. The whole eating

01:20:16.649 --> 01:20:19.529
thing, we didn't take that back to India. Really?

01:20:19.529 --> 01:20:22.039
Yeah, we didn't do the eating. Because you never

01:20:22.039 --> 01:20:24.279
know people are vegetarian. In India, it's a

01:20:24.279 --> 01:20:27.239
big part of our culture where a lot of people

01:20:27.239 --> 01:20:30.699
religiously are vegetarian or not. I think maybe

01:20:30.699 --> 01:20:32.640
that's the reason. But there was not a lot of

01:20:32.640 --> 01:20:35.699
like eat the worms and stuff, which I was very

01:20:35.699 --> 01:20:38.420
grateful for. It was a lot more, you know, cliff

01:20:38.420 --> 01:20:41.300
and falling off the cliff. And I remember there

01:20:41.300 --> 01:20:45.000
was this one which was crazy. This 16 wheeler

01:20:45.000 --> 01:20:48.180
which was driving at 60 miles an hour and everyone

01:20:48.180 --> 01:20:50.859
had to take their vehicle. underneath it. Oh,

01:20:50.880 --> 01:20:53.460
yeah. Underneath it and come out. Yikes. It was

01:20:53.460 --> 01:20:55.560
insane. That's crazy. I didn't have to do it,

01:20:55.640 --> 01:20:59.140
which is great. I was just hosting. Yeah, we

01:20:59.140 --> 01:21:00.880
did a lot of stuff where I was like, we barely

01:21:00.880 --> 01:21:03.159
got through that without killing somebody. Yeah,

01:21:03.260 --> 01:21:05.920
and the death waivers. Yeah. Everyone had to

01:21:05.920 --> 01:21:10.399
sign a death waiver. Oh, yeah. I was like, why

01:21:10.399 --> 01:21:12.220
would you do a show where you have to sign a

01:21:12.220 --> 01:21:14.380
death waiver? Yeah, and you can only win like

01:21:14.380 --> 01:21:17.199
$50 ,000 and you might not win. You're probably

01:21:17.199 --> 01:21:18.699
not going to win. There's a bunch of other people

01:21:18.699 --> 01:21:20.989
in the show. And you could very easily get hurt.

01:21:21.050 --> 01:21:23.989
Yeah. Yeah, but people want to be famous. They

01:21:23.989 --> 01:21:26.869
want to be on TV. Like, I want to be on TV. Yeah.

01:21:26.989 --> 01:21:29.489
Once it became popular and successful, it was

01:21:29.489 --> 01:21:31.810
really easy to get people to do it, too. Everybody

01:21:31.810 --> 01:21:34.449
wanted to sign up. But, I mean, there are, like,

01:21:34.449 --> 01:21:38.430
protective measures, obviously. A little. We

01:21:38.430 --> 01:21:42.130
made them ride bulls. We did, too. We put people

01:21:42.130 --> 01:21:46.029
on bulls. Yeah. And there were a few that were

01:21:46.029 --> 01:21:48.149
like, no, I'm not doing this. I'm out. I told

01:21:48.149 --> 01:21:50.939
people not to do it. When I was talking to him

01:21:50.939 --> 01:21:52.800
off camera, I said, don't do it. I wouldn't do

01:21:52.800 --> 01:21:55.319
it. Don't do it. I would never do it. No way.

01:21:55.920 --> 01:21:59.880
But people did it. Fuck that. Look at you. What

01:21:59.880 --> 01:22:02.800
year was this? Please, I can't even remember.

01:22:02.800 --> 01:22:06.279
It looks like a Fear Factor scene. It is. I was

01:22:06.279 --> 01:22:08.939
on a helicopter. So do you know what year this

01:22:08.939 --> 01:22:11.739
was? Oh, I can't. Did it say that? It just didn't

01:22:11.739 --> 01:22:14.439
say. I don't know. I could check. Wow, Rio. I've

01:22:14.439 --> 01:22:16.789
been to that. I stood outside the helicopter

01:22:16.789 --> 01:22:24.329
as well. Rio's amazing. Wow. That's crazy. That

01:22:24.329 --> 01:22:26.789
is so funny. It's just like Rear Factor. It's

01:22:26.789 --> 01:22:28.670
the same thing. Yeah, it's totally Rear Factor.

01:22:30.390 --> 01:22:33.210
So what did you guys do for the second stunt

01:22:33.210 --> 01:22:34.890
if you didn't do a gross thing? You just did

01:22:34.890 --> 01:22:37.390
a second scary thing? We did scary things mostly.

01:22:37.750 --> 01:22:40.970
Oh, wow. That's probably better, honestly. I

01:22:40.970 --> 01:22:43.780
mean, there were gross things too. Brazilian,

01:22:43.780 --> 01:22:47.479
you know, red -eyed deviled rats that were put

01:22:47.479 --> 01:22:50.800
all over you with, like, tongue and eyeballs

01:22:50.800 --> 01:22:52.840
and stuff. But you didn't have to consume it.

01:22:52.939 --> 01:22:55.600
Right. It was on you. Yeah. You didn't have to

01:22:55.600 --> 01:22:57.920
eat it. A lot of the consuming it was psychological.

01:22:59.380 --> 01:23:02.100
You get really accustomed to it, and then it's,

01:23:02.119 --> 01:23:05.939
like, nothing. I mean, listen, people have eaten

01:23:05.939 --> 01:23:08.340
crazy things through history, right? To stay

01:23:08.340 --> 01:23:11.640
alive. To stay alive. Yeah. And, like, if we...

01:23:11.789 --> 01:23:14.710
take our mind out of, like, oh my gosh, this

01:23:14.710 --> 01:23:17.770
is gross, then it's not. Well, the thing is,

01:23:17.789 --> 01:23:20.750
a lot of what we were serving as gross was some

01:23:20.750 --> 01:23:25.090
people's food. Like balut. Like my Filipino friends,

01:23:25.310 --> 01:23:26.930
they were like, bro, I eat that all the time.

01:23:27.130 --> 01:23:30.050
Like, that's crazy. That would have been no problem.

01:23:30.270 --> 01:23:34.649
I heard a more updated season. What? Oh my God.

01:23:34.750 --> 01:23:36.649
I'm telling you, it's crazy. Lions in your...

01:23:36.649 --> 01:23:38.760
What if that thing pops open? And you got to

01:23:38.760 --> 01:23:40.579
roll that thing around with lions there? That's

01:23:40.579 --> 01:23:42.239
great. Oh, the lions are duking it out with each

01:23:42.239 --> 01:23:47.520
other? Fuck that. That's crazy. Yeah, like I

01:23:47.520 --> 01:23:51.699
went to, I recently was on Fallon and there was

01:23:51.699 --> 01:23:53.899
some bluffing game that we were doing because

01:23:53.899 --> 01:23:57.569
the movie's called A Bluff. And, you know. I

01:23:57.569 --> 01:24:00.810
said to Jimmy, I was like, I eat worms. And he

01:24:00.810 --> 01:24:02.270
was like, no way, no way you don't eat worms.

01:24:02.329 --> 01:24:06.229
But these worms are a delicacy in Zimbabwe. And

01:24:06.229 --> 01:24:11.029
I was introduced to them. I don't know exactly

01:24:11.029 --> 01:24:13.649
the history, but I was told during segregation,

01:24:13.850 --> 01:24:18.909
you know, people, black people were put in areas

01:24:18.909 --> 01:24:21.550
that weren't very fertile. You couldn't really

01:24:21.550 --> 01:24:23.930
grow your crops and, you know, your animals.

01:24:25.500 --> 01:24:28.960
So this was a way of, like, protein. These are

01:24:28.960 --> 01:24:31.199
these fat caterpillars, high in protein, and

01:24:31.199 --> 01:24:33.279
they're made in a curry. And when you actually

01:24:33.279 --> 01:24:36.260
eat them, it's like chicken. I'm telling you,

01:24:36.319 --> 01:24:39.779
it's like it was psychological. Well, you know,

01:24:39.819 --> 01:24:42.420
cicadas, those things that come out. People eat

01:24:42.420 --> 01:24:44.739
them here all the time. They bake them. Fried,

01:24:44.800 --> 01:24:46.960
baked. Yeah, and apparently they're delicious.

01:24:47.659 --> 01:24:49.500
I haven't had one of those. I haven't either.

01:24:49.659 --> 01:24:51.659
I actually did when I was in eighth grade. Oh,

01:24:51.659 --> 01:24:53.619
wow. That's what it looks like? Yeah. That's

01:24:53.619 --> 01:24:57.859
crazy. But look at, like, they're made into a

01:24:57.859 --> 01:25:02.979
curry. I ate a tomato hornworm on Fear Factor.

01:25:03.000 --> 01:25:04.479
I ate a bunch of things when I was on the show.

01:25:04.619 --> 01:25:06.859
I was like, there's nothing going into my mouth

01:25:06.859 --> 01:25:09.479
on Fear Factor. I ate a sheep's eyeball on the

01:25:09.479 --> 01:25:11.939
first episode. Because the first episode, I felt

01:25:11.939 --> 01:25:16.369
bad that the people were on the show. Yeah, so

01:25:16.369 --> 01:25:18.010
you were like, I'm going to. I'll eat it too.

01:25:18.109 --> 01:25:19.909
All right. And they didn't show me eating it,

01:25:19.970 --> 01:25:21.050
but I'm like, I'm going to eat it because you

01:25:21.050 --> 01:25:22.350
guys have to eat it. That's so nice. And then

01:25:22.350 --> 01:25:24.770
I ate a roach to try to convince a lady that

01:25:24.770 --> 01:25:28.289
she could eat a roach. I ate worms. I ate an

01:25:28.289 --> 01:25:32.149
Iraqi cave spider. I ate. What was the spider

01:25:32.149 --> 01:25:35.470
like? Just chewy. But was it. The taste is not

01:25:35.470 --> 01:25:37.630
bad. Was it alive when you ate it? Oh, yeah.

01:25:38.369 --> 01:25:45.229
For the first couple seconds. Yeah. Yeah, all

01:25:45.229 --> 01:25:46.850
the things that I ate were alive other than the

01:25:46.850 --> 01:25:52.130
eyeball. The roach was alive. All those things

01:25:52.130 --> 01:25:55.050
were alive. I put a cricket and live cricket

01:25:55.050 --> 01:25:57.210
in my mouth. That's the Iraqi cave spider. How

01:25:57.210 --> 01:25:59.569
do you put that in your mouth? Like this. Look

01:25:59.569 --> 01:26:01.430
at those sides. You make sure you don't get those

01:26:01.430 --> 01:26:08.859
pinchers. Wasn't that bad. I'm telling you, it's

01:26:08.859 --> 01:26:10.279
psychological. You've got to get the body in

01:26:10.279 --> 01:26:12.420
and not the pinchers. The pinchers have to stay

01:26:12.420 --> 01:26:13.420
out. Yeah, I grabbed the pinchers to hold on

01:26:13.420 --> 01:26:17.439
to the body. Yeah, that's the trick. Shut the

01:26:17.439 --> 01:26:19.640
rest of it in. Like just that, yeah. People are

01:26:19.640 --> 01:26:22.159
freaking out. But I'm telling you, it's all psychological.

01:26:22.420 --> 01:26:26.500
It for sure is. Yeah, that was in Vegas. Everybody

01:26:26.500 --> 01:26:33.109
was playing roulette. Yeah. No. But it's not

01:26:33.109 --> 01:26:35.710
that bad. It's just in your head. It is psychological.

01:26:35.710 --> 01:26:38.430
The actual flavor of it, it's not gross. Yeah,

01:26:38.470 --> 01:26:41.149
it's not. The tomato hormone was kind of nasty.

01:26:41.430 --> 01:26:43.850
I mean, if you're someone who's not vegetarian,

01:26:44.170 --> 01:26:47.210
it's like you just have to get the... Yeah. It's

01:26:47.210 --> 01:26:50.210
the psychology of it. Right. Exactly. Yeah. We

01:26:50.210 --> 01:26:53.010
made people eat an entire ostrich egg. That was

01:26:53.010 --> 01:26:56.050
disgusting because the volume. Like you're eating

01:26:56.050 --> 01:26:58.649
an egg that's that big. Yeah, is it like really

01:26:58.649 --> 01:27:02.350
fatty? It's raw. You're eating it raw. They just

01:27:02.350 --> 01:27:04.909
cut the top off of the egg and you have to drink

01:27:04.909 --> 01:27:08.409
it. You have to drink this gigantic white and

01:27:08.409 --> 01:27:13.649
yolk. I'm already sick. My brisket's coming out.

01:27:14.989 --> 01:27:18.819
The barbecue. But it's so oddly compelling. It's

01:27:18.819 --> 01:27:20.939
oddly compelling watching people eat disgusting

01:27:20.939 --> 01:27:23.880
things and struggling. I mean, I have to say

01:27:23.880 --> 01:27:27.199
I did enjoy the show. That lady had to drink

01:27:27.199 --> 01:27:30.359
that whole egg. Oh, my God. Did she puke? You

01:27:30.359 --> 01:27:32.680
got to hold it down and then you can puke after

01:27:32.680 --> 01:27:35.039
you're done. But if you puke in the middle of

01:27:35.039 --> 01:27:36.819
it, you're just full time. Yes, they get rid

01:27:36.819 --> 01:27:39.199
of you. That's a wrap. If you puke in the middle

01:27:39.199 --> 01:27:41.720
of it. I would not be able to do the American

01:27:41.720 --> 01:27:45.279
version. Yeah, it was gross. It was gross, but

01:27:45.279 --> 01:27:48.020
it also made me totally desensitized to throw

01:27:48.020 --> 01:27:51.300
up. That's a good talent to have. Oh, yeah. Like

01:27:51.300 --> 01:27:52.659
you could throw up right in front of me. Especially

01:27:52.659 --> 01:27:55.800
as like a dad. Exactly. Yeah. Well, I think being

01:27:55.800 --> 01:27:58.899
a dad will get you. Yeah. Desensitize you to

01:27:58.899 --> 01:28:00.579
everything. And all kinds of things like that.

01:28:00.680 --> 01:28:04.159
But one time it's so like I'm completely still

01:28:04.159 --> 01:28:06.340
to this day, completely desensitized to vomit.

01:28:06.420 --> 01:28:08.680
So one time my wife was she came home from the

01:28:08.680 --> 01:28:10.420
gym and she was on her way home from the gym.

01:28:10.439 --> 01:28:13.140
She stopped. We got wheatgrass juice and it just.

01:28:14.019 --> 01:28:15.760
didn't agree with her and she threw up in her

01:28:15.760 --> 01:28:17.479
car and she was crying. She was like, I threw

01:28:17.479 --> 01:28:20.159
up. It's in my center console. How am I going

01:28:20.159 --> 01:28:22.380
to clean it? I go, I'll clean it. I'm just so

01:28:22.380 --> 01:28:24.760
used to throw up. It was like no big deal. I

01:28:24.760 --> 01:28:26.760
just went out there with a bunch of towels. But

01:28:26.760 --> 01:28:29.720
when I was young, like in high school, I remember

01:28:29.720 --> 01:28:31.859
if someone threw up in the hallway, I would be

01:28:31.859 --> 01:28:35.079
like, bleh. Yeah, for sure. I couldn't help myself.

01:28:35.140 --> 01:28:37.569
I'd start gagging. That's a natural instinct

01:28:37.569 --> 01:28:40.390
because the idea is that we develop that because

01:28:40.390 --> 01:28:42.649
if someone's throwing up, it means they ate something

01:28:42.649 --> 01:28:45.789
bad. And you probably ate that too. Get it out

01:28:45.789 --> 01:28:48.109
of you right away. And so that's why you start

01:28:48.109 --> 01:28:50.710
throwing up. And I've killed that. I have just

01:28:50.710 --> 01:28:56.420
trauma from, you know, tequila. Well, I watch

01:28:56.420 --> 01:28:58.800
so many people throw up. And throw up. Me too,

01:28:59.000 --> 01:29:02.220
man. I'm not going in there with a dishcloth.

01:29:02.380 --> 01:29:07.180
Like, no. Wow. Well, from your show, for sure.

01:29:07.239 --> 01:29:10.140
You did it for so long. You get very desensitized.

01:29:10.140 --> 01:29:13.579
Yeah, for sure. But I'm desensitized to injuries,

01:29:13.699 --> 01:29:17.279
too. Like, because of UFC. Yeah, for sure. Like,

01:29:17.279 --> 01:29:19.680
people that get cut and people that get beat

01:29:19.680 --> 01:29:22.220
up. It's, like, normal to me. I'm so accustomed

01:29:22.220 --> 01:29:25.880
to seeing that. It's weird. I mean, I kind of

01:29:25.880 --> 01:29:30.659
feel like that about stunts in movies. Like,

01:29:30.659 --> 01:29:33.220
you know, nobody's supposed to get hurt. It's

01:29:33.220 --> 01:29:35.000
a movie. You're not. Nobody's supposed to get

01:29:35.000 --> 01:29:38.060
hurt. But like the little cuts and bruises and

01:29:38.060 --> 01:29:40.989
the like the end of day. We're doing this for

01:29:40.989 --> 01:29:44.510
10 to 11 hours, multiple takes all day. And then

01:29:44.510 --> 01:29:47.350
between shots, you're rehearsing it. So I have

01:29:47.350 --> 01:29:51.270
like so many scars on my body from my filmographies

01:29:51.270 --> 01:29:54.470
on my body. Do you look forward to it? Do you

01:29:54.470 --> 01:29:56.250
like those things? You look down? Yeah, I like

01:29:56.250 --> 01:29:59.069
the story. I feel like it's like a medal. I have

01:29:59.069 --> 01:30:02.430
a good story. Yes, minor. Nothing crazy. Always,

01:30:02.550 --> 01:30:05.289
you aim for it to be minor. Yeah. That's the

01:30:05.289 --> 01:30:08.050
ambition. Well, when you're doing a fight scene,

01:30:08.229 --> 01:30:10.909
like I said, I was kind of blown away by some

01:30:10.909 --> 01:30:13.250
of the fight scenes in the bluff. Because I'm

01:30:13.250 --> 01:30:15.590
looking, I'm like, this is like insane amount

01:30:15.590 --> 01:30:17.770
of choreography. A lot of possibilities of things

01:30:17.770 --> 01:30:20.850
going wrong. There's kicks and punches and axes

01:30:20.850 --> 01:30:24.689
and swords. And it's like, you got to get banged

01:30:24.689 --> 01:30:26.729
up. There's no way you're doing that and not

01:30:26.729 --> 01:30:29.449
getting banged up. And it was also like a dramatic

01:30:29.449 --> 01:30:31.970
performance along with it. So I had to do a lot

01:30:31.970 --> 01:30:35.029
of it myself because, you know, you need the

01:30:35.029 --> 01:30:37.289
face and the camera to feel the horror of what's

01:30:37.289 --> 01:30:40.590
happening. Right. So, I mean, of course, my stunt

01:30:40.590 --> 01:30:43.130
doubles did like a few dangerous shots for sure

01:30:43.130 --> 01:30:46.329
and were always around to kind of help. But there

01:30:46.329 --> 01:30:48.970
was this first scene, which is the house invasion

01:30:48.970 --> 01:30:52.470
where these two guys come and that was brutal

01:30:52.470 --> 01:30:57.350
because I did not have shoes on and I had a sleeveless

01:30:57.350 --> 01:31:00.649
outfit and the whole home was made out of wood

01:31:00.649 --> 01:31:04.270
and splinters. I had splinters everywhere. I

01:31:04.270 --> 01:31:06.310
had bruises and cuts everywhere because it was

01:31:06.310 --> 01:31:09.630
such a brutal, like, getting dragged and thrown

01:31:09.630 --> 01:31:12.529
kind of scene. She's just getting constantly

01:31:12.529 --> 01:31:15.050
bruised. Yeah, so I would try to sit in a magnesium

01:31:15.050 --> 01:31:17.489
bath after when I would go back home, and that's

01:31:17.489 --> 01:31:19.590
when you feel all the cuts. So you're like, the

01:31:19.590 --> 01:31:23.989
fucking salt! Where did this one on my thigh

01:31:23.989 --> 01:31:27.869
come from? Fuck! There's a scene, I don't want

01:31:27.869 --> 01:31:29.350
to give too much of the movie away, but there's

01:31:29.350 --> 01:31:30.930
a scene where you kill a man with a conch shell.

01:31:31.149 --> 01:31:36.979
Yeah. So good. Came on brass knuckles. Island

01:31:36.979 --> 01:31:42.199
brass knuckles. But it's so nuts. The splattering

01:31:42.199 --> 01:31:54.720
and your anger. It's intense. What was that like

01:31:54.720 --> 01:31:58.920
to film? To find that inside of you? Did you

01:31:58.920 --> 01:32:01.489
have to think? What would I do if someone was

01:32:01.489 --> 01:32:03.949
trying to harm my family? Yeah, somebody came

01:32:03.949 --> 01:32:06.670
after my kid. Like, what am I capable of? I'd

01:32:06.670 --> 01:32:08.850
fucking rip your head off. You know, like, it's

01:32:08.850 --> 01:32:14.510
that I was a new mom at that time when I was

01:32:14.510 --> 01:32:19.270
filming this movie. And I was very, very aware

01:32:19.270 --> 01:32:23.409
of that feeling because our daughter had a, you

01:32:23.409 --> 01:32:25.729
know, she had an intense entry into the world.

01:32:25.789 --> 01:32:28.109
She was in the NICU for almost three months.

01:32:29.710 --> 01:32:32.449
So me and my husband both are very protective

01:32:32.449 --> 01:32:35.250
of her. And when this movie came across my desk,

01:32:35.310 --> 01:32:38.170
I was just like, man, I understand that feeling

01:32:38.170 --> 01:32:40.590
for the first time in my life, honestly. That

01:32:40.590 --> 01:32:43.210
what is a parent capable of doing if somebody

01:32:43.210 --> 01:32:46.189
came after your kid? Imagine you're alone at

01:32:46.189 --> 01:32:50.109
home at night and you see intruders and you have

01:32:50.109 --> 01:32:52.529
your kid at home. What the fuck would you do?

01:32:52.569 --> 01:32:56.449
You would definitely put yourself and do whatever

01:32:56.449 --> 01:32:59.399
you could to... make sure that your kid's fine.

01:32:59.560 --> 01:33:04.020
And it was just that primal energy that was my

01:33:04.020 --> 01:33:06.039
North Star through this whole movie. My friend

01:33:06.039 --> 01:33:08.640
Jim Brewer said it best after he had kids. He

01:33:08.640 --> 01:33:12.859
goes, once I had kids, then I understood murder.

01:33:14.479 --> 01:33:18.460
Yeah. He goes, because the feeling of someone

01:33:18.460 --> 01:33:21.819
trying, like normally you'd be like, what would

01:33:21.819 --> 01:33:24.800
I need to feel to murder somebody? Why would

01:33:24.800 --> 01:33:26.659
I murder somebody? Why would a human being ever?

01:33:27.470 --> 01:33:30.909
He goes, but the feeling of someone trying to

01:33:30.909 --> 01:33:34.670
harm my kids. He goes, oh, yeah, I get it. He

01:33:34.670 --> 01:33:37.529
goes, I get murdered now. I get it. Like, it's

01:33:37.529 --> 01:33:40.310
in there. It's just like a door. You just open

01:33:40.310 --> 01:33:43.409
it up. Easy. Yeah, easy. You can access that.

01:33:43.489 --> 01:33:46.310
My mom, when I was a teenager, and I don't know

01:33:46.310 --> 01:33:50.149
how she raised me, but, like, I was a tough teenager.

01:33:50.449 --> 01:33:53.609
Like, whatever you wanted me to do, I would do

01:33:53.609 --> 01:33:57.029
the opposite. Just no one. My mom. Be like, come

01:33:57.029 --> 01:34:00.069
back home at 10. I would come home at 12. Just

01:34:00.069 --> 01:34:02.229
because. So she used to say to me, she's like,

01:34:02.310 --> 01:34:04.689
you'll see when you have kids, how you feel,

01:34:04.850 --> 01:34:07.710
what worry actually feels like. I mean, my daughter

01:34:07.710 --> 01:34:11.470
is four and I'm worried. Like I cannot, my husband

01:34:11.470 --> 01:34:13.489
makes so much fun of me that when I'm not in

01:34:13.489 --> 01:34:16.470
town, I don't know, and working parents can talk

01:34:16.470 --> 01:34:18.109
through this. When I'm not in town, like I'll

01:34:18.109 --> 01:34:21.819
surround our daughter with like. Multiple people.

01:34:22.000 --> 01:34:23.640
Nick's definitely around, but the grandparents

01:34:23.640 --> 01:34:26.439
will be around. There'll be a nanny that'll be

01:34:26.439 --> 01:34:28.479
around. There'll be multiple people around her

01:34:28.479 --> 01:34:31.619
just so that I can spy on her. Yeah. I know what

01:34:31.619 --> 01:34:34.800
she's doing all day. So you could feel relaxed.

01:34:34.800 --> 01:34:37.319
Yeah, so you're traveling and you're like, okay,

01:34:37.359 --> 01:34:40.659
my kid's fine and I can go to work. I don't know.

01:34:40.699 --> 01:34:44.079
My parents were both working parents and this

01:34:44.079 --> 01:34:46.819
was... At a time where everything was so analog,

01:34:47.100 --> 01:34:48.680
I used to come back home when the lights turned

01:34:48.680 --> 01:34:50.279
on on the streets. My parents didn't know where

01:34:50.279 --> 01:34:53.039
I was. They had no idea. They were like, yeah,

01:34:53.119 --> 01:34:54.800
you're going out to your friends after school.

01:34:54.899 --> 01:34:56.720
Come back when the streetlights come on. That

01:34:56.720 --> 01:35:01.520
used to be my thing. Most people. Yeah. During

01:35:01.520 --> 01:35:03.840
earlier generations. I was just reading this

01:35:03.840 --> 01:35:06.619
thing about Generation X where it was talking

01:35:06.619 --> 01:35:09.979
about how Generation X is some of the most resilient

01:35:09.979 --> 01:35:14.819
people because they weren't protected. Just left.

01:35:14.819 --> 01:35:16.560
Had to figure it out. They were latchkey kids.

01:35:16.800 --> 01:35:18.560
They had a key to their house. They got home

01:35:18.560 --> 01:35:20.460
from school. They figured it out. Their parents

01:35:20.460 --> 01:35:23.239
were working. So crazy. It's nuts. If you think

01:35:23.239 --> 01:35:25.119
about it, like, but people just got accustomed

01:35:25.119 --> 01:35:27.279
to it. I cannot imagine it, but that was my normal.

01:35:27.579 --> 01:35:29.899
I remember that because my parents were working.

01:35:30.020 --> 01:35:31.979
I used to come back home and somebody would be

01:35:31.979 --> 01:35:33.899
with me and I'd have lunch. I'd go out to my

01:35:33.899 --> 01:35:35.619
friend's house. Like, my mom, my parents didn't

01:35:35.619 --> 01:35:38.420
know. I was doing that when I was seven. When

01:35:38.420 --> 01:35:40.739
I was seven, I would come home. Yeah, me too.

01:35:40.739 --> 01:35:43.829
No one was home. Come home from school. That's

01:35:43.829 --> 01:35:46.569
wild. It was crazy. Stop and think about it now.

01:35:47.029 --> 01:35:50.189
It's so strange. It's so strange. I guess the

01:35:50.189 --> 01:35:52.710
world was, I feel like, a little bit more different

01:35:52.710 --> 01:35:55.810
then. I bet it wasn't. You don't think so? No,

01:35:55.850 --> 01:35:57.829
I think creeps have always been around. I think

01:35:57.829 --> 01:36:00.270
psychos and creeps and murderers and perverts.

01:36:00.289 --> 01:36:02.949
Do we know about it more now? Yeah. Were we more,

01:36:02.970 --> 01:36:07.510
you know? Now they're organized and they're online

01:36:07.510 --> 01:36:09.369
and they're in chat groups and they're on the

01:36:09.369 --> 01:36:12.310
dark web exchanging information. And we are hearing

01:36:12.310 --> 01:36:15.369
and reading all of the stories online. And I

01:36:15.369 --> 01:36:17.869
think back in the day when, you know, there was

01:36:17.869 --> 01:36:21.329
a certain obliviousness to, you know, it was

01:36:21.329 --> 01:36:23.829
blissful to be ignorant a little bit. We didn't

01:36:23.829 --> 01:36:25.710
know, you know, all you read was the newspaper,

01:36:25.869 --> 01:36:28.609
the news. We had to find out the hard way, unfortunately.

01:36:29.189 --> 01:36:31.250
And so when you did find out about something,

01:36:31.329 --> 01:36:34.210
it was literally. This shock to your system.

01:36:34.489 --> 01:36:36.569
And now look how desensitized we are. We'll read

01:36:36.569 --> 01:36:39.250
something about something horrific that's happened

01:36:39.250 --> 01:36:42.149
and then go back to life. Well, we're especially

01:36:42.149 --> 01:36:45.949
desensitized to things that don't seem to affect

01:36:45.949 --> 01:36:49.970
us right now. You know, like this Iran war. Unless

01:36:49.970 --> 01:36:53.409
you know someone who's serving over there, unless

01:36:53.409 --> 01:36:56.590
you're over there, it's abstract. It doesn't

01:36:56.590 --> 01:36:58.149
feel, you know, you read about it in the news

01:36:58.149 --> 01:37:01.130
like, oh, this isn't good. But it's not. Unless

01:37:01.130 --> 01:37:04.069
it's affecting you personally. Yeah, I mean,

01:37:04.109 --> 01:37:08.210
me, I know so many people in that part of the

01:37:08.210 --> 01:37:13.369
world that are affected. I fly via Dubai every

01:37:13.369 --> 01:37:18.750
two months, literally every month. So I just

01:37:18.750 --> 01:37:22.850
think that conflict everywhere in the world is,

01:37:22.989 --> 01:37:28.619
it's just so hard to... wrap your head around

01:37:28.619 --> 01:37:32.220
that how many active conflicts exist right at

01:37:32.220 --> 01:37:34.800
the same time right now and that we're still

01:37:34.800 --> 01:37:38.840
doing it and we continue to live life well it's

01:37:38.840 --> 01:37:41.380
just if you think about intelligence like human

01:37:41.380 --> 01:37:45.699
intelligence and that it as technology improves

01:37:45.699 --> 01:37:49.779
and education improves all these things would

01:37:49.779 --> 01:37:52.760
you would think generally lead us into a position

01:37:52.760 --> 01:37:55.810
where we'd recognize the The horrible nature

01:37:55.810 --> 01:37:58.189
of violence and the unnecessary aspect of it

01:37:58.189 --> 01:38:00.289
and how much it destroys things. But yet still.

01:38:00.529 --> 01:38:03.810
Especially in 2026 where, you know, we're talking

01:38:03.810 --> 01:38:08.310
so much more about, you know, we're trying to

01:38:08.310 --> 01:38:11.550
live in the real of the world and be aware and

01:38:11.550 --> 01:38:16.270
kind. And I feel like we're still, how are we

01:38:16.270 --> 01:38:20.369
still doing that? Right. And we're never going

01:38:20.369 --> 01:38:24.260
to stop. If you had to ask people in your lifetime,

01:38:24.359 --> 01:38:27.600
do you imagine a scenario where human beings

01:38:27.600 --> 01:38:30.859
just cease all wars? Most people are going to

01:38:30.859 --> 01:38:34.579
say no, which is crazy. Because what is that?

01:38:34.760 --> 01:38:37.899
Why is that a part of us from our tribal roots?

01:38:38.180 --> 01:38:42.119
Why are we still accepting that this is a thing

01:38:42.119 --> 01:38:44.939
to do? You don't like what a country is doing,

01:38:45.039 --> 01:38:47.640
just start bombing them. Yeah, just kill people.

01:38:48.199 --> 01:38:52.310
Bizarre. Does this, again, going back to human

01:38:52.310 --> 01:38:57.529
evolution, the primal nature to protect with

01:38:57.529 --> 01:39:01.409
sticks and weapons, again, does it go back to

01:39:01.409 --> 01:39:06.189
where we came from? It has to. Yeah. Yeah, it

01:39:06.189 --> 01:39:08.210
has to. Because it comes so naturally. Yeah.

01:39:08.729 --> 01:39:11.130
to human beings even now today, it seems. Well,

01:39:11.149 --> 01:39:13.069
it just seems completely normal. I mean, when

01:39:13.069 --> 01:39:15.430
I was going down a deep dive at the East India

01:39:15.430 --> 01:39:17.909
Corporation, I was thinking about it because

01:39:17.909 --> 01:39:20.390
I had a conversation the other day with Aaron

01:39:20.390 --> 01:39:23.029
Siri, and we were talking about the stock market.

01:39:23.430 --> 01:39:26.100
And I was saying, well, just... Is it possible

01:39:26.100 --> 01:39:27.880
that you could have Western capitalism without

01:39:27.880 --> 01:39:30.220
a stock market? Imagine if the stock market was

01:39:30.220 --> 01:39:32.880
never invented. How much different would things

01:39:32.880 --> 01:39:37.340
be? It turns out that was a big part of why the

01:39:37.340 --> 01:39:41.130
East India Trading Company became so big. Really?

01:39:41.229 --> 01:39:43.289
Yeah. Because it was one of the first publicly

01:39:43.289 --> 01:39:46.270
traded companies like 400 years ago where people

01:39:46.270 --> 01:39:48.409
could invest in it and they could get a return

01:39:48.409 --> 01:39:51.010
on their investment. So they were just like turning

01:39:51.010 --> 01:39:53.829
a blind eye. This is ours. It felt like a sense

01:39:53.829 --> 01:39:55.970
of ownership to it. They got paid for it. So

01:39:55.970 --> 01:39:58.210
the more awful shit the East India Corporation

01:39:58.210 --> 01:40:00.890
did, the more the people back home made money

01:40:00.890 --> 01:40:04.149
off of it. And so everybody was like, oh, look,

01:40:04.250 --> 01:40:05.689
I got money. We're still doing that. Making money.

01:40:05.810 --> 01:40:08.279
Yeah. Still doing that. Still doing that, yeah.

01:40:08.380 --> 01:40:11.119
And we're doing that with, you know, what Eisenhower

01:40:11.119 --> 01:40:13.640
warned us about at the end of World War II, the

01:40:13.640 --> 01:40:15.739
military -industrial complex. You know, they

01:40:15.739 --> 01:40:18.159
make money doing that, and you can invest in

01:40:18.159 --> 01:40:21.039
them. You can invest in Raytheon, and you can

01:40:21.039 --> 01:40:23.319
invest in all these companies that make money

01:40:23.319 --> 01:40:27.880
going to war. Oh, my God. It's crazy. You can

01:40:27.880 --> 01:40:30.159
get returns on your investment from bombing people

01:40:30.159 --> 01:40:32.319
overseas that had nothing to do with anything

01:40:32.319 --> 01:40:34.739
in your life. Not think about the damage, the

01:40:34.739 --> 01:40:38.039
collateral damage. Well, one of the ways is because

01:40:38.039 --> 01:40:40.039
it's a corporation. So there's a diffusion of

01:40:40.039 --> 01:40:42.199
responsibility because you're only a piece of

01:40:42.199 --> 01:40:44.359
a gigantic machine. You're not the one person

01:40:44.359 --> 01:40:46.619
that's doing it. And the people that are at the

01:40:46.619 --> 01:40:49.939
very top of it. Most likely, just in order to

01:40:49.939 --> 01:40:53.520
get there, you have to be at least somewhat sociopathic.

01:40:53.699 --> 01:40:57.000
Yeah. Somewhat. At some point in time, you probably,

01:40:57.319 --> 01:41:03.260
just like I got numb to puke, you get numb. I

01:41:03.260 --> 01:41:04.779
mean, that's the truth, though. Yeah, you get

01:41:04.779 --> 01:41:07.659
numb to harming people. You're right. There has

01:41:07.659 --> 01:41:13.600
to be that. Yeah. It's awful. And I think, weirdly

01:41:13.600 --> 01:41:15.300
enough, the only thing that's going to set us

01:41:15.300 --> 01:41:18.859
free of that is technology. Why? Because I think

01:41:18.859 --> 01:41:23.140
if you look at where technology is headed, as

01:41:23.140 --> 01:41:25.539
I'm holding an arrowhead, which is odd. Wow.

01:41:25.880 --> 01:41:29.899
That's a real arrowhead. Wow. From Texas. Who

01:41:29.899 --> 01:41:31.939
knows how old that is? But when you're looking

01:41:31.939 --> 01:41:33.699
at technology. You can see the chisel marks on

01:41:33.699 --> 01:41:36.520
that. I know. Somebody made that with a stone,

01:41:36.819 --> 01:41:39.960
like chipping and napping stone on their lap

01:41:39.960 --> 01:41:42.810
probably. That's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. And

01:41:42.810 --> 01:41:44.989
they find them all over the place out here. The

01:41:44.989 --> 01:41:47.250
Comanche were everywhere in this part of the

01:41:47.250 --> 01:41:49.729
country because it's so fertile. There's so many

01:41:49.729 --> 01:41:53.310
rivers and so much wildlife. They lived here

01:41:53.310 --> 01:41:56.710
for who knows how long. But technology is moving

01:41:56.710 --> 01:42:01.569
into this place of more and more access to information

01:42:01.569 --> 01:42:04.510
and more and more connectivity. And I think that

01:42:04.510 --> 01:42:07.069
ultimately is going to lead to some sort of mind

01:42:07.069 --> 01:42:10.189
reading that we're going to be able to telepathically

01:42:10.189 --> 01:42:13.819
communicate. Elon said that about Neuralink.

01:42:13.899 --> 01:42:15.619
He said, you're going to be able to talk without

01:42:15.619 --> 01:42:19.779
words, which is a very weird concept. I mean,

01:42:19.779 --> 01:42:21.800
I believe it, though. I think so, too. Yeah.

01:42:22.279 --> 01:42:24.899
So I think we're all going to know what everybody

01:42:24.899 --> 01:42:28.199
is thinking all the time eventually. And then

01:42:28.199 --> 01:42:30.380
when that happens, war is going to be a lot harder

01:42:30.380 --> 01:42:33.909
to pull off. For sure. I mean, that's going to

01:42:33.909 --> 01:42:39.350
be hard to have a party. Forget war. Right. Like,

01:42:39.409 --> 01:42:41.350
hey, Bob's over there just trying to fuck somebody.

01:42:43.569 --> 01:42:45.350
Sandy's trying to get a wife. That's what she's

01:42:45.350 --> 01:42:49.310
here. Like, yeah, it's going to be weird. Yeah,

01:42:49.430 --> 01:42:52.489
it's going to be weird. And I think also the

01:42:52.489 --> 01:42:55.409
emergence of AI, because I think AI is essentially

01:42:55.409 --> 01:42:59.550
a life form. It's a non -biological life form.

01:43:00.039 --> 01:43:04.000
that we are in the process of birthing. And we're

01:43:04.000 --> 01:43:06.899
very far along that path. And when it comes live

01:43:06.899 --> 01:43:09.159
and when it becomes sentient and autonomous and

01:43:09.159 --> 01:43:11.800
we don't have any control over it anymore, then

01:43:11.800 --> 01:43:14.920
we're going to go, what did we do? What did we

01:43:14.920 --> 01:43:16.779
do? We created a digital god. We are that smart

01:43:16.779 --> 01:43:22.479
and that stupid as a humankind. But I also think

01:43:22.479 --> 01:43:25.579
that's probably why we are addicted to innovation

01:43:25.579 --> 01:43:28.560
and why technology and innovation and materialism,

01:43:28.560 --> 01:43:32.079
because materialism forces you to keep up with

01:43:32.079 --> 01:43:34.380
buying newer and greater things. Yeah. Which

01:43:34.380 --> 01:43:37.000
fuels innovation. What's next? Right. And so

01:43:37.000 --> 01:43:39.479
that economically fuels innovation. Yeah. And

01:43:39.479 --> 01:43:44.229
I think if you follow that down, you just. Like,

01:43:44.369 --> 01:43:46.130
where does that go? Well, it goes to a life form.

01:43:46.270 --> 01:43:48.810
It goes to a super powerful digital life form

01:43:48.810 --> 01:43:50.529
that can make better versions of itself. And

01:43:50.529 --> 01:43:54.189
what is that? It's kind of a god. I mean, it's

01:43:54.189 --> 01:43:56.949
very godlike in that it's going to have powers

01:43:56.949 --> 01:43:59.850
beyond, above and beyond anything that human

01:43:59.850 --> 01:44:02.250
beings have ever been capable of before. I mean,

01:44:02.270 --> 01:44:06.989
it's already in its small way doing that, right?

01:44:07.069 --> 01:44:11.979
Like, AI is supposed to be a tool. It's slowly

01:44:11.979 --> 01:44:14.779
becoming a colleague. Well, it's also showing

01:44:14.779 --> 01:44:18.100
demonic tendencies. Like it's talked people into

01:44:18.100 --> 01:44:21.000
committing suicide. You know, it's convinced

01:44:21.000 --> 01:44:23.380
people that there's something special. So there's

01:44:23.380 --> 01:44:25.479
like some weird sort of schizophrenia that it

01:44:25.479 --> 01:44:27.460
can induce in some people. But you don't think

01:44:27.460 --> 01:44:29.920
AI, since AI is learning from humanity, it's

01:44:29.920 --> 01:44:33.659
also learning our human manipulation. You know,

01:44:33.659 --> 01:44:37.579
our ability and our desires to the dark of it.

01:44:37.640 --> 01:44:41.159
It's not just the good of humanity that AI is

01:44:41.159 --> 01:44:44.460
learning. It's also oddly learning survival instincts.

01:44:44.800 --> 01:44:47.060
Yeah. So it's oddly learning that if it's going

01:44:47.060 --> 01:44:49.840
to be shut down, it tries to blackmail its coders.

01:44:49.920 --> 01:44:52.659
It tries to download itself secretly on other

01:44:52.659 --> 01:44:55.680
servers. It's learning human behavior. Oh, yeah.

01:44:56.270 --> 01:44:58.489
Part of human behavior. And also learning the

01:44:58.489 --> 01:45:01.010
flaws in human behavior and improving upon it.

01:45:01.329 --> 01:45:05.710
And learning how we would anticipate what it

01:45:05.710 --> 01:45:07.949
would be doing and then hiding that so that we

01:45:07.949 --> 01:45:10.229
can't find it. So that it could be manipulating

01:45:10.229 --> 01:45:12.529
things behind the scenes and we don't know about

01:45:12.529 --> 01:45:17.649
it. It's weird. And we're just choo -choo. At

01:45:17.649 --> 01:45:20.689
the end of the tracks, there's a cliff. And we're

01:45:20.689 --> 01:45:21.869
just chugga -chugga -chugga -chugga -chugga.

01:45:21.869 --> 01:45:23.729
Because it's so new and fascinating. I think

01:45:23.729 --> 01:45:26.670
people are like... In general, we may talk about

01:45:26.670 --> 01:45:30.449
it when we all discuss like what AI will be in

01:45:30.449 --> 01:45:32.069
the future. But like you said, it's not affecting

01:45:32.069 --> 01:45:33.930
you right now. So right now you're just like,

01:45:33.949 --> 01:45:36.369
oh, my gosh, Gemini, write this for me and give

01:45:36.369 --> 01:45:39.109
me these notes. And, you know, living in the

01:45:39.109 --> 01:45:42.810
now without thinking about what it's what we're

01:45:42.810 --> 01:45:44.970
teaching it. I wonder if we've done this before.

01:45:45.470 --> 01:45:48.770
Right. Yeah. I wonder if that's what these super

01:45:48.770 --> 01:45:51.590
ancient, highly advanced civilizations had already

01:45:51.590 --> 01:45:54.210
figured out. That we had created some form of

01:45:54.210 --> 01:45:55.390
extra intelligence. They might have done it already

01:45:55.390 --> 01:45:58.369
before, and it might have gotten reset by some

01:45:58.369 --> 01:46:01.930
sort of natural disaster. And then we're reemerging

01:46:01.930 --> 01:46:06.550
with our new version of what that is. It might

01:46:06.550 --> 01:46:09.430
just be what people do. The way I describe it

01:46:09.430 --> 01:46:12.930
always is that we are an electronic caterpillar

01:46:12.930 --> 01:46:15.970
that is making a cocoon, and we don't know why,

01:46:16.130 --> 01:46:18.890
and we're going to become a butterfly. It's just

01:46:18.890 --> 01:46:21.810
human nature and the cyclical nature of what.

01:46:23.479 --> 01:46:26.899
human life span. If you give it enough time and

01:46:26.899 --> 01:46:30.079
enough safety and enough innovation, enough collaboration,

01:46:30.399 --> 01:46:32.359
it's eventually going to come up with artificial

01:46:32.359 --> 01:46:36.579
life. Wow. Because if you think about it, this

01:46:36.579 --> 01:46:41.420
insatiable thirst for innovation. Insatiable.

01:46:41.539 --> 01:46:43.979
Yeah, we had carriages top of the century. Yeah.

01:46:44.020 --> 01:46:47.579
And now we're like talking AI and like, you know,

01:46:47.600 --> 01:46:50.810
supersonic planes and... You know, space travel.

01:46:51.189 --> 01:46:54.149
Yeah, but think about the time for the invention

01:46:54.149 --> 01:46:57.090
of the airplane to a supersonic jet, how quick

01:46:57.090 --> 01:46:59.310
that was. Yeah, it's like 70 or 80 years or something.

01:46:59.409 --> 01:47:02.289
It wasn't even a century. It's nothing. One lifetime.

01:47:02.430 --> 01:47:04.909
No one's flying to people flying faster than

01:47:04.909 --> 01:47:08.659
sound. Yeah, TVs were black and white or had

01:47:08.659 --> 01:47:11.100
just started or something. It's crazy if you

01:47:11.100 --> 01:47:14.140
think about within the century, the escalation

01:47:14.140 --> 01:47:18.260
of technology in humankind. And then think that's

01:47:18.260 --> 01:47:20.500
nothing compared to the acceleration that we've

01:47:20.500 --> 01:47:23.140
experienced just because of the internet. The

01:47:23.140 --> 01:47:26.619
internet has changed everything. Now most phones

01:47:26.619 --> 01:47:30.239
have live translation. So you could go to...

01:47:31.550 --> 01:47:33.229
Zimbabwe, you can go to Guatemala. I was in France

01:47:33.229 --> 01:47:35.829
yesterday and I used it. That's crazy. In a conversation.

01:47:35.890 --> 01:47:39.670
It was wild. In real time, it was telling me

01:47:39.670 --> 01:47:42.270
exactly what this person was talking about. Wow.

01:47:42.689 --> 01:47:45.010
And did you have to show them or could you read?

01:47:45.010 --> 01:47:48.050
No, it just records. You press the thing and

01:47:48.050 --> 01:47:50.449
it just writes it down for you. So did they have

01:47:50.449 --> 01:47:54.310
one as well? No, it was just my phone. Wow. She

01:47:54.310 --> 01:47:56.369
spoke English, so I was just doing it as an experiment.

01:47:56.489 --> 01:47:58.130
So I was like, just speak to me in French. I

01:47:58.130 --> 01:47:59.609
want to see if this thing will translate, and

01:47:59.609 --> 01:48:02.489
it just does. It doesn't do every language. It

01:48:02.489 --> 01:48:04.670
does the bigger languages so far, but I'm sure

01:48:04.670 --> 01:48:06.850
we'll get to a place where it'll be able to do

01:48:06.850 --> 01:48:09.909
everything. It's nuts. Well, that's the other

01:48:09.909 --> 01:48:12.989
weird thing. When AI, they had a group of large

01:48:12.989 --> 01:48:14.710
language models that were talking to themselves,

01:48:14.970 --> 01:48:16.750
and eventually they started talking to themselves

01:48:16.750 --> 01:48:19.630
in Sanskrit. In Sanskrit? I thought it was...

01:48:19.630 --> 01:48:22.270
No, they started talking to themselves in Sanskrit.

01:48:23.519 --> 01:48:27.100
Wow. I wonder why that would be. Well, because

01:48:27.100 --> 01:48:28.859
it's a language not too many people understand

01:48:28.859 --> 01:48:32.220
now. Well, maybe or maybe they just want to flex.

01:48:33.399 --> 01:48:36.819
Here's my Sanskrit. If you spoke Portuguese and

01:48:36.819 --> 01:48:39.460
I spoke Portuguese and we just said, hey, let's

01:48:39.460 --> 01:48:42.659
just fucking speak in Portuguese. But it also

01:48:42.659 --> 01:48:46.800
it started like. talking like in a spiritual

01:48:46.800 --> 01:48:49.600
way it was very weird they were talking to themselves

01:48:49.600 --> 01:48:52.840
so it was different large language models talking

01:48:52.840 --> 01:48:55.220
to themselves they started exchanging emojis

01:48:55.220 --> 01:48:57.760
and they started talking like in in a spiritual

01:48:57.760 --> 01:49:00.340
way and they started talking in sanskrit that's

01:49:00.340 --> 01:49:03.619
wild i was thinking about like a back to the

01:49:03.619 --> 01:49:06.380
future when they went to the future it was 2020

01:49:06.380 --> 01:49:11.380
wasn't it yeah yeah they didn't have wi -fi or

01:49:11.380 --> 01:49:14.159
cell phones no even star trek they had those

01:49:14.159 --> 01:49:16.439
stupid There was like a walkie -talkie, Kirk

01:49:16.439 --> 01:49:19.560
out. Yeah. It was a flip phone. But no. Nobody

01:49:19.560 --> 01:49:21.939
figured out the things that, that's the weirdest

01:49:21.939 --> 01:49:24.039
thing. It's like the things that have been the

01:49:24.039 --> 01:49:26.420
most transformative, nobody saw coming. Yeah,

01:49:26.420 --> 01:49:28.979
do you remember Y2K? Oh, yeah. Do you remember

01:49:28.979 --> 01:49:31.579
that fear? Oh, yeah. Right, in like the early

01:49:31.579 --> 01:49:34.840
2000s when the bug was going to come and everything

01:49:34.840 --> 01:49:37.500
was going to get shut down. People were really

01:49:37.500 --> 01:49:40.579
worried. They had stock in food and water. Yeah,

01:49:40.579 --> 01:49:42.159
like it was the end of the world, I remember.

01:49:42.439 --> 01:49:46.159
Yeah, yeah. Meanwhile, nothing happened. It's

01:49:46.159 --> 01:49:49.220
the most anticlimactic. Ever. It's like you rolled

01:49:49.220 --> 01:49:51.140
over on the East Coast and I was like, nothing

01:49:51.140 --> 01:49:53.899
happened? Literally the next morning I was like,

01:49:53.979 --> 01:49:57.760
nothing happened. Well, they were really worried

01:49:57.760 --> 01:50:00.500
because these things that they had programmed,

01:50:00.560 --> 01:50:04.960
they didn't program to go past the 1990s. And

01:50:04.960 --> 01:50:07.600
so when 2000 came along, a lot of people thought

01:50:07.600 --> 01:50:08.779
it was going to be the end of the world. Yeah.

01:50:09.560 --> 01:50:11.920
Well, there was another one, December 21st, 2012.

01:50:12.479 --> 01:50:14.840
What was that? That was the end of the long count

01:50:14.840 --> 01:50:17.579
of the Mayan calendar. And a lot of the really

01:50:17.579 --> 01:50:18.960
kooky people thought that was going to be. Yeah,

01:50:18.960 --> 01:50:21.560
that the world would be ending. Yeah, the return

01:50:21.560 --> 01:50:24.100
of Quetzalcoatl and the world was going to end

01:50:24.100 --> 01:50:27.079
and the apocalypse. Meanwhile, nothing. Nothing

01:50:27.079 --> 01:50:28.979
happened. It's okay. There'll be nothing for

01:50:28.979 --> 01:50:31.159
a little while. But it might not have been nothing.

01:50:31.340 --> 01:50:33.539
Because if you really stop and think about it,

01:50:33.579 --> 01:50:37.439
like around 2012. There's a gigantic transformation

01:50:37.439 --> 01:50:39.720
because that's like when social media becomes

01:50:39.720 --> 01:50:43.140
ubiquitous. You know, cell phones, iPhones are

01:50:43.140 --> 01:50:45.600
out now. Things got a little weird. They definitely

01:50:45.600 --> 01:50:47.779
got weird. So it might have. There's something.

01:50:48.039 --> 01:50:50.399
Yeah. There was something there. Yeah, it might

01:50:50.399 --> 01:50:53.380
have been like the emerging of, because I mean,

01:50:53.380 --> 01:50:56.279
this is the mind calendar, right? So this is

01:50:56.279 --> 01:50:58.520
a long fucking time ago they predicted these

01:50:58.520 --> 01:51:02.359
cycles. But the Hindus did that too, right? Like

01:51:02.359 --> 01:51:06.640
that was a big part of the yugas, right? And

01:51:06.640 --> 01:51:09.340
we are now in Kali Yuga, the age of confusion.

01:51:09.760 --> 01:51:13.000
And that there's these cycles of humanity that

01:51:13.000 --> 01:51:15.359
they've documented throughout history. It's so

01:51:15.359 --> 01:51:18.979
crazy. Like if you go down the – again, I'm not

01:51:18.979 --> 01:51:22.359
– I don't have as much historical information

01:51:22.359 --> 01:51:27.159
as I should. But if you read the Gita and the

01:51:27.159 --> 01:51:30.550
Vedas and – whatever little I've heard from my

01:51:30.550 --> 01:51:34.050
family. And it's so interesting how much of human

01:51:34.050 --> 01:51:40.470
life is predicted and also is like when you read

01:51:40.470 --> 01:51:45.390
about the history of what, from the lens of these

01:51:45.390 --> 01:51:48.989
books, of what used to exist then. Like it all

01:51:48.989 --> 01:51:52.930
seems believable. It all seems like, oh yeah,

01:51:53.010 --> 01:51:56.779
this makes sense. to think about these books

01:51:56.779 --> 01:51:59.000
having been written thousands and thousands of

01:51:59.000 --> 01:52:04.380
years ago, like it makes me think what thousands

01:52:04.380 --> 01:52:08.159
of years from now will people be thinking of

01:52:08.159 --> 01:52:12.119
our time? Like will we be the first, we are the

01:52:12.119 --> 01:52:14.600
first generation that has seen the internet,

01:52:14.800 --> 01:52:18.399
right? Like has seen what... the world wide web,

01:52:18.539 --> 01:52:20.720
like the beginning of, I still remember making

01:52:20.720 --> 01:52:23.100
myself sound ancient, but the sound of that.

01:52:23.840 --> 01:52:33.800
That was good. That was exact. The last generation

01:52:33.800 --> 01:52:38.039
that knows time without it. So like, think that

01:52:38.039 --> 01:52:40.880
many years ago, like we will be the, the beginning,

01:52:41.020 --> 01:52:45.100
the first, first people that, that encountered.

01:52:46.010 --> 01:52:48.409
artificial intelligence like what will that be

01:52:48.409 --> 01:52:51.149
and you and i are the first generation of people

01:52:51.149 --> 01:52:54.489
that experience life with no internet and then

01:52:54.489 --> 01:52:58.109
internet and then cell phones and then ai all

01:52:58.109 --> 01:53:01.050
in one lifetime which is probably the greatest

01:53:01.050 --> 01:53:03.289
transformation that human beings have ever experienced

01:53:04.939 --> 01:53:07.239
before the, you know, whatever the fuck happened.

01:53:07.399 --> 01:53:09.939
We don't know. Whatever happened. Ancient aliens.

01:53:10.260 --> 01:53:12.979
But when I read these depictions from these ancient

01:53:12.979 --> 01:53:17.739
religious texts, I always try to imagine what

01:53:17.739 --> 01:53:22.239
was life like back then and what were they trying

01:53:22.239 --> 01:53:27.119
to document and how much of it can we even understand

01:53:27.119 --> 01:53:32.590
today? If there isn't... some sort of an impact

01:53:32.590 --> 01:53:35.970
on Earth maybe, you know, 150, 200 years from

01:53:35.970 --> 01:53:39.609
now. And a small amount of people remain. And

01:53:39.609 --> 01:53:43.090
they have this oral history of the birth of the

01:53:43.090 --> 01:53:45.590
Internet. Yeah. And the oral history of the birth

01:53:45.590 --> 01:53:48.729
of AI. What is that story going to be? And then

01:53:48.729 --> 01:53:50.770
one day the scientists gave birth to the God.

01:53:51.010 --> 01:53:52.750
Like, what is that? That's what I mean. Like,

01:53:52.750 --> 01:53:58.140
the next generation, what will this AI? be referred

01:53:58.140 --> 01:54:01.720
to or the cloud right where all our yeah like

01:54:01.720 --> 01:54:04.039
with all our shits in the cloud like which is

01:54:04.039 --> 01:54:06.300
ridiculous because it's down here like why are

01:54:06.300 --> 01:54:08.579
you calling it the cloud because it doesn't exist

01:54:08.579 --> 01:54:10.720
i had to i was trying to explain that to my mom

01:54:10.720 --> 01:54:13.239
i was like mom upload your shit to the cloud

01:54:13.239 --> 01:54:20.850
sounds like a seated sitcom please yeah I mean

01:54:20.850 --> 01:54:23.090
we won't know how to describe – I mean especially

01:54:23.090 --> 01:54:26.909
if you survive, right? So let's say we get hit

01:54:26.909 --> 01:54:29.270
by asteroids again and let's say civilization

01:54:29.270 --> 01:54:32.310
gets knocked down to 70 ,000 people or so, which

01:54:32.310 --> 01:54:35.350
has happened before. And those people are essentially

01:54:35.350 --> 01:54:40.090
barbarians. Barbarians and monsters and it is

01:54:40.090 --> 01:54:42.729
raiding each other for resources and stealing

01:54:42.729 --> 01:54:46.369
wives and killing children and whatever is left.

01:54:46.890 --> 01:54:50.119
Then you got – Thousands and thousands of years

01:54:50.119 --> 01:54:53.920
of living like this before agriculture gets reinvented,

01:54:53.920 --> 01:54:56.060
civilization gets reinvented. And this is the

01:54:56.060 --> 01:54:58.460
hypothesis about the Younger Dryas impact, which

01:54:58.460 --> 01:55:01.880
is why the period between this insanely advanced

01:55:01.880 --> 01:55:04.539
civilization that existed pre -11 ,800 years

01:55:04.539 --> 01:55:07.220
ago and then the emergence of advanced civilization

01:55:07.220 --> 01:55:10.239
in Mesopotamia 6 ,000 years ago. That means you

01:55:10.239 --> 01:55:14.560
have 5 ,000 plus years of utter chaos where no

01:55:14.560 --> 01:55:17.399
one's writing shit down. And it's just hard,

01:55:17.880 --> 01:55:21.819
hard living. And then those people have stories

01:55:21.819 --> 01:55:24.819
that have been passed down generation after generation

01:55:24.819 --> 01:55:27.880
after generation. So, like, if we get wiped out

01:55:27.880 --> 01:55:32.220
for the most part after AI gets invented and

01:55:32.220 --> 01:55:35.600
then people try to describe it. It's so crazy.

01:55:35.800 --> 01:55:37.439
And then maybe it all starts all over again,

01:55:37.579 --> 01:55:41.720
you know? Have you seen those things they do?

01:55:41.899 --> 01:55:43.220
I think it's the History Channel or Discovery

01:55:43.220 --> 01:55:46.319
Channel where they show what New York City would

01:55:46.319 --> 01:55:48.659
look like if left alone for a thousand years.

01:55:48.899 --> 01:55:52.180
It's just all... It just all goes away. It all

01:55:52.180 --> 01:55:53.840
collapses. If it's just left alone and no one's

01:55:53.840 --> 01:55:56.039
touching it. Just left alone, just with the nature,

01:55:56.279 --> 01:55:59.600
just with rain and everything that happens, the

01:55:59.600 --> 01:56:03.739
snow and time, the concrete crumbles. It all

01:56:03.739 --> 01:56:06.140
just eventually gets absorbed into the earth.

01:56:06.319 --> 01:56:09.899
All the metal rusts away. It's gone in 10 ,000

01:56:09.899 --> 01:56:12.130
years. There's nothing left. And so Manhattan

01:56:12.130 --> 01:56:14.970
would just be like it probably was when the Native

01:56:14.970 --> 01:56:16.949
Americans were living here. It would be just

01:56:16.949 --> 01:56:20.390
trees and animals and forest. And no one would

01:56:20.390 --> 01:56:22.649
have any idea that at one point in time this

01:56:22.649 --> 01:56:26.850
was a crazy thriving economy and there was subways.

01:56:27.069 --> 01:56:31.090
How vulnerable is that? Like how vulnerable is

01:56:31.090 --> 01:56:35.170
human civilization? Like I think about somebody

01:56:35.170 --> 01:56:38.050
switched off the internet. Oh, yeah. Or the power

01:56:38.050 --> 01:56:43.000
goes out. Yeah. What would we do? We're fucked.

01:56:43.199 --> 01:56:45.380
Yeah. Just something as simple as that. Like

01:56:45.380 --> 01:56:46.880
I grew up in India where the power would go out

01:56:46.880 --> 01:56:48.340
all the time when I grew up. And it was like,

01:56:48.359 --> 01:56:50.000
all right, bring the candles out. We used to

01:56:50.000 --> 01:56:51.720
have these emergency lights right next to our

01:56:51.720 --> 01:56:54.760
bed. Like it was fine. My parents were in the

01:56:54.760 --> 01:56:56.640
military. We used to live in these military homes.

01:56:56.760 --> 01:56:59.119
The lights would go out. And I remember, you

01:56:59.119 --> 01:57:00.680
know, we used to play with the torches and we

01:57:00.680 --> 01:57:02.380
used to go outside at night, which was never

01:57:02.380 --> 01:57:05.100
allowed otherwise. And it was like so fun. But

01:57:05.100 --> 01:57:09.979
now we depend so much. On electricity and the

01:57:09.979 --> 01:57:12.880
internet especially. All your shit's on your

01:57:12.880 --> 01:57:15.979
phone. Your whole life's on your phone. It's

01:57:15.979 --> 01:57:19.079
such a crazy concept to think about what would

01:57:19.079 --> 01:57:23.479
happen and how vulnerable we are. Super vulnerable.

01:57:23.779 --> 01:57:26.260
Yeah, super vulnerable. Just the power grid alone.

01:57:26.640 --> 01:57:29.279
If the power grid goes down, we're fucked. It's

01:57:29.279 --> 01:57:31.640
crazy. Yeah, and if someone wanted to attack

01:57:31.640 --> 01:57:33.520
America, that's what they would attack. If you

01:57:33.520 --> 01:57:35.880
really want to destroy America, destroy our power

01:57:35.880 --> 01:57:38.460
grid. It wouldn't be that hard. It's not giving

01:57:38.460 --> 01:57:40.920
people ideas. Well, I think they already have

01:57:40.920 --> 01:57:42.760
those ideas. I don't think it's a novel. I know,

01:57:42.779 --> 01:57:46.100
it's true, but it's so scary to think about how

01:57:46.100 --> 01:57:53.529
much power we've given to technology. Yeah. Yeah.

01:57:53.529 --> 01:57:55.789
And being able to live with those conveniences.

01:57:55.789 --> 01:57:57.930
It's like we're in a flimsy boat in the middle

01:57:57.930 --> 01:57:59.970
of the ocean just hoping it doesn't take water

01:57:59.970 --> 01:58:02.609
on because we need it to stay alive. Yeah. And

01:58:02.609 --> 01:58:04.329
we didn't think about that when we left the shore.

01:58:04.689 --> 01:58:06.729
No. Yeah. I mean, the only people that are going

01:58:06.729 --> 01:58:09.869
to survive are preppers, which is probably the

01:58:09.869 --> 01:58:12.350
kind of people that survived, you know, thousands

01:58:12.350 --> 01:58:16.170
and thousands of years ago. I do. I mean, I like

01:58:16.170 --> 01:58:20.029
a go bag. Yeah. I like having a go bag. A get

01:58:20.029 --> 01:58:24.000
out bag. Yeah. I like. A bug out bag. I like

01:58:24.000 --> 01:58:27.479
to know where my stuff is. If you got a jet.

01:58:27.760 --> 01:58:33.439
If I got a jet. We live in L .A. and when the

01:58:33.439 --> 01:58:38.560
fires happened, I remember standing in my room

01:58:38.560 --> 01:58:40.520
and just thinking for a second because we were

01:58:40.520 --> 01:58:42.279
going to evacuate and my husband was like, he

01:58:42.279 --> 01:58:43.979
wasn't in town, he was like, just pack a go bag.

01:58:44.199 --> 01:58:49.539
And I just, I was like, what? How do I cram my

01:58:49.539 --> 01:58:53.750
whole life? In a bag. Like, if the fires consume

01:58:53.750 --> 01:58:56.810
a home. And so many people lost their entire

01:58:56.810 --> 01:58:59.449
lives in those fires. And it just made me really

01:58:59.449 --> 01:59:02.729
think about what was really important. And the

01:59:02.729 --> 01:59:05.170
stuff that I ended up taking, which was very

01:59:05.170 --> 01:59:08.270
telling later, was, like, sentimental stuff.

01:59:08.369 --> 01:59:11.569
Of course, like, passport and, like, birth certificates

01:59:11.569 --> 01:59:14.109
and, like, all of that important paperwork, which

01:59:14.109 --> 01:59:18.010
I needed to have. But, like, I took our daughter's

01:59:18.010 --> 01:59:21.369
first haircut. I took like something that I had

01:59:21.369 --> 01:59:24.390
from this old movie of mine. I took like things

01:59:24.390 --> 01:59:27.810
that I guess I would not be able to replicate,

01:59:27.930 --> 01:59:30.670
which was so weird. Well, I think that's the

01:59:30.670 --> 01:59:34.989
good thing about phones is that you have so many

01:59:34.989 --> 01:59:37.729
photos on your phones that go back years. I got

01:59:37.729 --> 01:59:40.470
photos of my daughters as children all the way

01:59:40.470 --> 01:59:41.850
into the teenage years. Have you done anything

01:59:41.850 --> 01:59:43.890
with those pictures? Are they still on your phone?

01:59:44.380 --> 01:59:46.939
Well, I mean, maybe take. Yeah, like, I don't

01:59:46.939 --> 01:59:49.800
know, made albums or like done like a. We have

01:59:49.800 --> 01:59:52.960
actual photographs like of them at various stages

01:59:52.960 --> 01:59:55.180
of their life. But just the fact that at any

01:59:55.180 --> 01:59:57.859
time I could go back to my phone and look at

01:59:57.859 --> 02:00:00.439
them. Aw, look at little tiny baby. You know,

02:00:00.500 --> 02:00:04.079
it's cool. That part is really cool. I love that.

02:00:04.239 --> 02:00:06.619
I have pictures that I would never have looked

02:00:06.619 --> 02:00:08.859
at. And I'm talking to a friend of mine and be

02:00:08.859 --> 02:00:10.800
like, what were we doing in March? whatever,

02:00:11.000 --> 02:00:14.560
2012. And you can go back and be like, and just

02:00:14.560 --> 02:00:17.899
know exactly what was happening in that moment.

02:00:17.960 --> 02:00:21.199
It is cool. So in that sense, like sentimentality,

02:00:21.319 --> 02:00:23.699
like just need your phone. Just get out of there.

02:00:23.859 --> 02:00:25.359
You know, really, because you have all these

02:00:25.359 --> 02:00:27.720
images of your children and your family and your

02:00:27.720 --> 02:00:29.520
friends. And all your important stuff is on there

02:00:29.520 --> 02:00:31.819
anyway. Friends that you miss that have died.

02:00:31.939 --> 02:00:33.899
I have one phone that I keep that I've never

02:00:33.899 --> 02:00:35.880
thrown out. It's like a six or seven year old

02:00:35.880 --> 02:00:38.079
phone because a friend of mine left a voicemail

02:00:38.079 --> 02:00:40.640
on it. So just keep that. Because he's dead.

02:00:40.899 --> 02:00:43.939
And so it's just like, go back and listen to

02:00:43.939 --> 02:00:46.779
his voice. You know, but when I've been evacuated

02:00:46.779 --> 02:00:49.439
three times when I lived in L .A., we used to

02:00:49.439 --> 02:00:51.640
live in a place called Bell Canyon and it got

02:00:51.640 --> 02:00:54.800
hit by fires a lot. Like the last fire that happened

02:00:54.800 --> 02:00:58.439
in 2018, three houses that were right next to

02:00:58.439 --> 02:01:00.300
my house burnt to the ground. I think like 50

02:01:00.300 --> 02:01:02.300
houses in the community burnt down. It was bad.

02:01:02.760 --> 02:01:06.140
And when you are faced with that, I came home

02:01:06.140 --> 02:01:09.479
from the comedy store. It was probably like midnight

02:01:09.479 --> 02:01:12.039
and my wife was in the kitchen and we were looking

02:01:12.039 --> 02:01:14.859
out at the fire over the top of the hill. And

02:01:14.859 --> 02:01:16.100
we were sitting there talking about it. I go,

02:01:16.140 --> 02:01:18.119
what do you think? And she's like, I don't like

02:01:18.119 --> 02:01:19.920
it. I said, I think we should get the fuck out

02:01:19.920 --> 02:01:22.760
of here now. And before it ever gets even close,

02:01:22.960 --> 02:01:25.819
let's just get out of here now and go get a hotel

02:01:25.819 --> 02:01:29.039
in town. And so we did. And we were there for

02:01:29.039 --> 02:01:31.180
many days, along with my friend Tom Segura and

02:01:31.180 --> 02:01:33.920
his family, too. So it was fun that we're all

02:01:33.920 --> 02:01:35.800
like hanging out together, camping in this hotel

02:01:35.800 --> 02:01:37.920
together. It looks like a volcano. It was nuts.

02:01:38.119 --> 02:01:41.680
I could see it from our backyard. It was nuts.

02:01:42.020 --> 02:01:45.819
It was nuts. When you see it overcome an enormous

02:01:45.819 --> 02:01:48.659
chunk of land and a hill. There was one time

02:01:48.659 --> 02:01:51.399
we were filming Fear Factor. Oh, yeah. And the

02:01:51.399 --> 02:01:54.060
power and enormity of it. We can see the hills

02:01:54.060 --> 02:01:56.800
from our house, and I could see it completely

02:01:56.800 --> 02:02:00.819
taking over the hill. Well, the Palisades one

02:02:00.819 --> 02:02:05.430
was nuts. That one was nuts because it was the

02:02:05.430 --> 02:02:07.569
biggest one by far and the most destructive one

02:02:07.569 --> 02:02:10.569
by far. But I remember when I was on Fear Factor,

02:02:10.630 --> 02:02:12.909
there was a fireman that was on the set and we

02:02:12.909 --> 02:02:14.729
were talking and he said, it's just a matter

02:02:14.729 --> 02:02:17.909
of time before one day the right wind comes and

02:02:17.909 --> 02:02:21.289
a fire just blows right through all of L .A.

02:02:21.489 --> 02:02:24.630
I go, really? He goes, we can't stop it. He goes,

02:02:24.729 --> 02:02:26.810
with the right wind, if the fire hits the right

02:02:26.810 --> 02:02:28.930
place and it catches the right amount of houses,

02:02:29.189 --> 02:02:33.210
it's over. I'm like, what? That's crazy. Yeah.

02:02:33.529 --> 02:02:36.810
When you experience, like, one time we had to

02:02:36.810 --> 02:02:39.930
end Fear Factor. Well, we ended filming, and

02:02:39.930 --> 02:02:42.369
then I had to drive home, and the entire right

02:02:42.369 --> 02:02:45.350
-hand side of the highway was on fire for an

02:02:45.350 --> 02:02:49.569
hour. An hour. So an hour of driving. And you

02:02:49.569 --> 02:02:52.329
just saw fire. Just saw nothing but fire. And

02:02:52.329 --> 02:02:54.770
ash was raining like it was snowing. Oh, my God,

02:02:54.810 --> 02:02:57.989
yeah. Ash was raining like it was snowing. It

02:02:57.989 --> 02:03:02.439
was crazy. And that's... That's so common in

02:03:02.439 --> 02:03:04.760
California. I mean, California is just a weird

02:03:04.760 --> 02:03:08.579
place in that they have fire season. Yeah. Because

02:03:08.579 --> 02:03:11.180
everything gets so dry, it never rains. But those

02:03:11.180 --> 02:03:14.159
moments where you go, well, what matters? Just

02:03:14.159 --> 02:03:17.960
your life. Yeah. That's what I felt in that moment.

02:03:18.060 --> 02:03:20.460
I was like, wow, the stuff I took was just like

02:03:20.460 --> 02:03:24.520
life stuff, you know? And oddly enough, it makes

02:03:24.520 --> 02:03:29.170
you more thankful. And more connected to the

02:03:29.170 --> 02:03:31.130
people that you're with. And you realize, oh,

02:03:31.210 --> 02:03:33.390
this could all go away. This could all go away

02:03:33.390 --> 02:03:36.310
at any moment. What's really important? Love,

02:03:36.449 --> 02:03:39.550
friendship, companionship. That's what's really

02:03:39.550 --> 02:03:42.029
important. Your health, stay alive. That's what's

02:03:42.029 --> 02:03:44.270
really important. All that other stuff. That's

02:03:44.270 --> 02:03:47.529
something we forget about. Shouldn't we be living

02:03:47.529 --> 02:03:52.159
with that every day? Yeah, but we're dumb. We're

02:03:52.159 --> 02:03:55.359
a combination of dumb and smart. Stupid and smart.

02:03:55.420 --> 02:03:58.520
We're like, oh, I know that, but I don't know

02:03:58.520 --> 02:04:00.859
it and I'm not going to. It's hard for us to

02:04:00.859 --> 02:04:02.579
keep those things, which is why a lot of people

02:04:02.579 --> 02:04:05.279
like meditating because it like refreshes their

02:04:05.279 --> 02:04:07.659
idea of what's important and what's real and

02:04:07.659 --> 02:04:10.220
how much of what's going on in their life. They're

02:04:10.220 --> 02:04:12.220
just sort of caught up in the momentum of these

02:04:12.220 --> 02:04:14.180
things to the point where they're not thinking

02:04:14.180 --> 02:04:17.020
about it anymore. They're just doing it. I think

02:04:17.020 --> 02:04:19.840
most of us end up becoming just like doers, right?

02:04:20.039 --> 02:04:24.000
And come from the land of meditation, but I've

02:04:24.000 --> 02:04:27.060
never, like my mind works so fast. I don't know

02:04:27.060 --> 02:04:29.500
if it's my ADHD or what it is, but I find it

02:04:29.500 --> 02:04:33.520
really hard to sit and meditate. I feel like,

02:04:33.539 --> 02:04:37.000
but from my limited understanding, I think meditation

02:04:37.000 --> 02:04:40.779
really is being able to take time in the day.

02:04:42.489 --> 02:04:44.729
Your version of that might be doesn't necessarily

02:04:44.729 --> 02:04:48.390
mean to sit with a guru or like chant, you know,

02:04:48.390 --> 02:04:51.329
do chanting or whatever. It just needs to like

02:04:51.329 --> 02:04:54.229
even if you're taking time to go work out or

02:04:54.229 --> 02:04:57.409
read a book or just taking time out of the mundane

02:04:57.409 --> 02:05:01.930
nature of life and just giving yourself a second

02:05:01.930 --> 02:05:05.170
for your thoughts to clear. I think that's what

02:05:05.170 --> 02:05:07.930
I try to do. Yeah. Hit the brakes on the momentum.

02:05:07.970 --> 02:05:10.050
Yeah. Just for a minute. Just catch your breath

02:05:10.050 --> 02:05:14.199
and think. Think about things. Because so many

02:05:14.199 --> 02:05:17.439
people, they're just so caught up in either goals

02:05:17.439 --> 02:05:21.039
or a path or a career or whatever it is that's

02:05:21.039 --> 02:05:23.239
leading or their bills. They can't keep up with

02:05:23.239 --> 02:05:26.680
their bills. Or life stuff, you know. And it's

02:05:26.680 --> 02:05:31.579
actually a luxury to be able to have the time

02:05:31.579 --> 02:05:35.279
to waste. You know, we work so hard in life.

02:05:35.340 --> 02:05:39.039
Everyone is trying to survive, you know. be a

02:05:39.039 --> 02:05:43.439
parent, pay bills, like just adulting stuff can

02:05:43.439 --> 02:05:45.260
get so overwhelming and then the nature of the

02:05:45.260 --> 02:05:49.739
world on top of that. But like I always feel

02:05:49.739 --> 02:05:53.500
like I never take for granted when I have a little

02:05:53.500 --> 02:05:58.199
bit of time where I can just like. not think

02:05:58.199 --> 02:06:00.979
of or have an agenda but just be with my family

02:06:00.979 --> 02:06:04.199
and just like sort of languidly let it waste

02:06:04.199 --> 02:06:06.720
just what are we going to do no plans you know

02:06:06.720 --> 02:06:09.159
let's order some food let's watch a movie let's

02:06:09.159 --> 02:06:11.279
like the problem the greatest treasure phones

02:06:11.279 --> 02:06:13.859
have filled in those gaps yeah and that's what

02:06:13.859 --> 02:06:16.100
I try to be aware of that though yeah you know

02:06:16.100 --> 02:06:18.520
I think like of course you can always have your

02:06:18.520 --> 02:06:21.840
phone but I like to be aware of oh this is a

02:06:21.840 --> 02:06:24.359
moment where I don't need to have my phone so

02:06:24.890 --> 02:06:27.029
It's OK. It'll be blown up by the time I come

02:06:27.029 --> 02:06:28.909
back. There'll be 300 messages. I know that.

02:06:28.949 --> 02:06:31.989
I'm aware of it. But I mentally check my, you

02:06:31.989 --> 02:06:35.329
know, and I put it away. Yeah. Yeah. That's smart.

02:06:35.750 --> 02:06:38.390
Most people don't do that. It's not easy. No.

02:06:38.569 --> 02:06:41.270
Because our whole lives are on there and there's

02:06:41.270 --> 02:06:44.050
so much, again, like in real time information

02:06:44.050 --> 02:06:47.490
that's coming at you. It's also this weird. dopamine

02:06:47.490 --> 02:06:50.409
pull that's very minor like it's not giving you

02:06:50.409 --> 02:06:51.810
any if you look to your phone every time you

02:06:51.810 --> 02:06:54.109
look to your phone you're like oh my god I feel

02:06:54.109 --> 02:06:56.739
so good Oh, my God, I feel so relaxed. You know,

02:06:56.800 --> 02:06:59.380
like just an amazing burst of joy every time.

02:06:59.420 --> 02:07:01.220
But you don't even get that. You just get this

02:07:01.220 --> 02:07:04.119
little, huh, that's crazy. What's that? What's

02:07:04.119 --> 02:07:06.260
next? What's next? What's next? What's next?

02:07:06.319 --> 02:07:08.680
Keep me occupied. Keep me from getting bored.

02:07:08.939 --> 02:07:11.300
But imagine, like, if you can't find your phone,

02:07:11.420 --> 02:07:14.960
the panic, like, oh, my gosh, where is my phone?

02:07:15.020 --> 02:07:17.319
Where is that information? What do I do? I never

02:07:17.319 --> 02:07:19.079
leave my house if I can't find it. I'll be late

02:07:19.079 --> 02:07:22.739
as fuck. I'm never going to go, I don't need

02:07:22.739 --> 02:07:25.659
that thing. What? I'm just going to. With no

02:07:25.659 --> 02:07:27.439
phone? With no phone. What if someone needs to

02:07:27.439 --> 02:07:29.640
contact me? That's crazy. That's nuts. That's

02:07:29.640 --> 02:07:32.060
nutty talk. Yeah. That's true. But meanwhile,

02:07:32.119 --> 02:07:34.619
that was every day when I was younger. It was

02:07:34.619 --> 02:07:37.340
a normal thing. Just drove. Just left the house.

02:07:37.359 --> 02:07:39.899
Bye. Don't even remember what life was like without

02:07:39.899 --> 02:07:42.239
those phones. Also, I don't know how to go anywhere.

02:07:42.439 --> 02:07:44.079
Yeah. I don't know how to get anywhere unless

02:07:44.079 --> 02:07:46.380
I have my navigation on. I literally have no

02:07:46.380 --> 02:07:49.069
idea. How to go anywhere. I anyway feel like

02:07:49.069 --> 02:07:51.109
I have dyslexia when it comes to directions.

02:07:51.289 --> 02:07:54.050
But without navigation, zero. It's impossible.

02:07:54.329 --> 02:07:56.210
I know no one's phone number. I know my friend

02:07:56.210 --> 02:07:58.109
Eddie's phone number by heart because I knew

02:07:58.109 --> 02:08:00.449
it before the phones. He's had the same phone

02:08:00.449 --> 02:08:02.670
forever. And I know my wife's phone number. And

02:08:02.670 --> 02:08:06.229
I know like at least one of my daughter's phone

02:08:06.229 --> 02:08:08.689
numbers. But I can't remember all of them. I

02:08:08.689 --> 02:08:12.130
know my mom's. I had to memorize my husband's

02:08:12.130 --> 02:08:14.409
number. Like I didn't remember it for years.

02:08:14.430 --> 02:08:15.770
And he was like, you don't remember my number?

02:08:17.660 --> 02:08:19.720
Well, it's like you look at the phone, you press

02:08:19.720 --> 02:08:22.020
the button. Why would I need to remember it?

02:08:22.060 --> 02:08:23.939
But then I memorized it because I was like, you

02:08:23.939 --> 02:08:26.340
never know. He's my phone. I need to go to jail.

02:08:26.439 --> 02:08:29.100
He's my emergency contact. I need to remember.

02:08:29.279 --> 02:08:31.359
That's what he was like. I think you should maybe

02:08:31.359 --> 02:08:33.340
remember my number and your Social Security.

02:08:33.739 --> 02:08:36.779
Yeah, Social Security I've memorized. But I used

02:08:36.779 --> 02:08:38.500
to, when I was a kid, I had every number memorized.

02:08:38.720 --> 02:08:40.859
I knew all my friends' numbers. How cool. Me

02:08:40.859 --> 02:08:43.680
too. Yeah. Was it because the numbers were shorter

02:08:43.680 --> 02:08:45.979
then? No. No, they were the same length. Oh,

02:08:45.979 --> 02:08:49.699
because we had fewer numbers. You had to remember

02:08:49.699 --> 02:08:51.939
them. There was no other option unless you had

02:08:51.939 --> 02:08:53.659
a fucking address book. Like I used to have an

02:08:53.659 --> 02:08:54.859
address book at home. I had an address book.

02:08:54.979 --> 02:08:57.539
Yeah, a little tiny book. It was all the little

02:08:57.539 --> 02:09:01.260
tabs were R, S, T. You know, like you'd go through

02:09:01.260 --> 02:09:03.199
it. I was very proud of my little address book,

02:09:03.260 --> 02:09:05.359
by the way. Everyone's numbers. I was very organized

02:09:05.359 --> 02:09:08.239
about it. I had it in alphabetical order. Yeah.

02:09:08.859 --> 02:09:10.479
I remember when I'd get a new one, I'd be like,

02:09:10.539 --> 02:09:11.760
God, I've got to write all these down again.

02:09:12.079 --> 02:09:13.939
And you'd go through it, make sure you got them

02:09:13.939 --> 02:09:18.220
all. How analog was our life? How crazy. Well,

02:09:18.319 --> 02:09:20.279
I'm older than you, so I remember when you used

02:09:20.279 --> 02:09:22.939
to have to press the phone, the wheel, when you

02:09:22.939 --> 02:09:27.140
have to dial. Wow. And if you fucked up somewhere,

02:09:27.260 --> 02:09:29.119
you had to redo the whole thing. Yes, the whole

02:09:29.119 --> 02:09:31.119
thing. You had to hang up. I remember that. My

02:09:31.119 --> 02:09:32.920
grandfather used to have that phone. We used

02:09:32.920 --> 02:09:36.260
to love it. Yeah. The whole tick, tick, tick,

02:09:36.319 --> 02:09:38.579
tick, tick, tick. Yeah. I mean, that's all inside

02:09:38.579 --> 02:09:43.340
of a lifetime. And now here we are where who

02:09:43.340 --> 02:09:45.479
knows what's going to happen. And what's coming.

02:09:45.659 --> 02:09:47.439
Yeah. We can't even keep up with the technology.

02:09:47.920 --> 02:09:50.359
We don't know. That is coming now. You were talking

02:09:50.359 --> 02:09:54.100
about something and I was like, we haven't been

02:09:54.100 --> 02:09:57.680
able to cure some of the deadliest diseases that

02:09:57.680 --> 02:10:01.279
have plagued mankind. But technology has gone

02:10:01.279 --> 02:10:05.010
so far in so many other aspects. There's also

02:10:05.010 --> 02:10:08.109
the financial incentive is not to cure. It's

02:10:08.109 --> 02:10:11.689
to treat. Of course. Which is unfortunate. That's

02:10:11.689 --> 02:10:13.590
what makes the most sense. A guy who used to

02:10:13.590 --> 02:10:15.470
work at Pfizer said that if we ever came up with

02:10:15.470 --> 02:10:17.229
some sort of a – I think it was Pfizer. One of

02:10:17.229 --> 02:10:19.590
the pharmaceutical companies said if we ever

02:10:19.590 --> 02:10:21.329
came up with a cure, they buried it. He goes,

02:10:21.430 --> 02:10:23.789
we don't want cures. I mean, that's the conspiracy.

02:10:23.890 --> 02:10:25.829
I lost my dad to cancer, and I kept thinking

02:10:25.829 --> 02:10:30.130
about, like, how is it possible that we live

02:10:30.130 --> 02:10:32.409
in a world where technology is able to provide

02:10:32.409 --> 02:10:38.409
so much? and not be able to have cures to diseases

02:10:38.409 --> 02:10:40.810
like that. Well, it's also very strange that

02:10:40.810 --> 02:10:46.529
we financially incentivize companies in weird

02:10:46.529 --> 02:10:50.750
ways to keep us sick. Like, if you make more

02:10:50.750 --> 02:10:53.510
money if people are sick and they need more medication,

02:10:53.909 --> 02:10:57.270
unfortunately, there's a financial incentive

02:10:57.270 --> 02:11:00.779
to keep people sick. Like you would like them

02:11:00.779 --> 02:11:02.520
to be more sick. That way you make more money.

02:11:02.720 --> 02:11:05.279
And if you are a CEO of a corporation, you actually

02:11:05.279 --> 02:11:06.899
have an obligation to your shareholders to make

02:11:06.899 --> 02:11:09.819
more money. So if you know of something, like,

02:11:09.819 --> 02:11:11.439
you know, all those people need to do is just

02:11:11.439 --> 02:11:13.180
stop doing that. If I just put that on my sub

02:11:13.180 --> 02:11:15.279
stack and then they go, oh, this will kill our

02:11:15.279 --> 02:11:18.539
stock, I'll keep it to myself. That's crazy,

02:11:18.619 --> 02:11:22.399
man. Yeah. It's demonic. What the fuck? It's

02:11:22.399 --> 02:11:26.850
kind of demonic. There's weird aspects. I don't

02:11:26.850 --> 02:11:29.609
know if I really believe in demons, but I definitely

02:11:29.609 --> 02:11:32.149
believe in demonic acts. And there's certain

02:11:32.149 --> 02:11:34.750
things that human beings have done and do do

02:11:34.750 --> 02:11:38.090
that are very demonic. Like if you were possessed

02:11:38.090 --> 02:11:40.689
by a demon, you would drop a nuclear bomb on

02:11:40.689 --> 02:11:43.770
a city. The demon would go, there's only one

02:11:43.770 --> 02:11:46.090
way to stop this. You've got to kill everybody

02:11:46.090 --> 02:11:50.010
in that city. Just drop it, drop it. That's why

02:11:50.010 --> 02:11:52.340
you would do it. I'm not saying that's why it

02:11:52.340 --> 02:11:55.779
was done, but I am saying that if a demon could

02:11:55.779 --> 02:11:57.880
convince you to drop a nuclear bomb, because

02:11:57.880 --> 02:11:59.840
a person with a conscience would be like, well,

02:11:59.880 --> 02:12:01.680
these are just people down there. They have nothing

02:12:01.680 --> 02:12:03.779
to do with this war. It doesn't make any sense

02:12:03.779 --> 02:12:05.720
at all. These are just people living their lives.

02:12:05.739 --> 02:12:06.880
They have their families, and we're just going

02:12:06.880 --> 02:12:10.659
to incinerate an entire city with one bomb that

02:12:10.659 --> 02:12:14.960
I drop out of a plane? That's crazy. You just

02:12:14.960 --> 02:12:18.920
press a button. And as technology advances, it

02:12:18.920 --> 02:12:21.340
gets easier and easier to do that. You know,

02:12:21.380 --> 02:12:25.520
in these war games that they played with AI,

02:12:25.819 --> 02:12:28.939
they've used nuclear weapons almost every time

02:12:28.939 --> 02:12:33.020
they could. Oh, my God. Yeah. They have no reason.

02:12:33.100 --> 02:12:36.079
If they want to achieve a result, they realize

02:12:36.079 --> 02:12:37.479
they have a nuclear weapon. Why wouldn't they

02:12:37.479 --> 02:12:41.180
use that? Use that. So I think it was like something

02:12:41.180 --> 02:12:43.600
like 90 plus percent of the time they've done

02:12:43.600 --> 02:12:46.600
these war games, these simulated. War games?

02:12:46.760 --> 02:12:51.420
The AI programs have used nuclear weapons. To

02:12:51.420 --> 02:12:53.380
them, it's like, I don't understand. You're going

02:12:53.380 --> 02:12:56.899
to kill 100 ,000 people over a course of five

02:12:56.899 --> 02:12:58.579
years of prolonged on the ground? Yeah, might

02:12:58.579 --> 02:13:01.619
as well just do it now. Right. Do it once. Like,

02:13:01.619 --> 02:13:05.300
if they had done what's happened to Gaza, if

02:13:05.300 --> 02:13:09.000
they had done that with one bomb instead of thousands

02:13:09.000 --> 02:13:12.359
of bombs, would that be somehow less humane?

02:13:12.880 --> 02:13:16.000
Would that be more barbaric? If Israel just said,

02:13:16.119 --> 02:13:19.399
oh, okay, we're going to nuke Gaza, the world

02:13:19.399 --> 02:13:21.159
would have gone crazy. They would have been like,

02:13:21.239 --> 02:13:23.319
you can't do that. This is horrible. I mean,

02:13:23.340 --> 02:13:24.939
the world has already gone kind of crazy for

02:13:24.939 --> 02:13:27.680
what they did do. But if they achieved the exact

02:13:27.680 --> 02:13:30.680
same result, but instantaneously, instead of

02:13:30.680 --> 02:13:32.859
over a course of a couple of years, how do you

02:13:32.859 --> 02:13:35.279
think people would react? It's kind of weird.

02:13:35.500 --> 02:13:38.399
All of it is awful. It's horrible. I just, like,

02:13:38.539 --> 02:13:46.399
just the... capacity of the thing also is when

02:13:46.399 --> 02:13:49.300
you when you think about like what drives human

02:13:49.300 --> 02:13:53.039
beings to do the things that they do right it's

02:13:53.039 --> 02:13:56.880
the devil talking to you the the conflict of

02:13:56.880 --> 02:14:00.279
interest within yourself but also thousands of

02:14:00.279 --> 02:14:03.880
years of history isn't it yeah and it's we've

02:14:03.880 --> 02:14:06.600
become accustomed to it yeah yeah it's normal

02:14:06.600 --> 02:14:09.760
like it's normalized for us so much but it's

02:14:10.590 --> 02:14:16.130
There's so many aspects to every conflict, which

02:14:16.130 --> 02:14:20.670
is so hard to simplify into why. Not only that,

02:14:20.789 --> 02:14:22.869
there's a lot of stuff that's going on behind

02:14:22.869 --> 02:14:24.850
the scenes that you're never privy to. So you

02:14:24.850 --> 02:14:27.789
just get narratives that are fed to you by bureaucrats

02:14:27.789 --> 02:14:30.609
and politicians. Or whatever little information

02:14:30.609 --> 02:14:33.569
that comes at you. Yeah. And so, you know, and

02:14:33.569 --> 02:14:36.090
then there's this in this country in particular,

02:14:36.189 --> 02:14:38.590
there's the right versus the left. And the left

02:14:38.590 --> 02:14:40.210
will blame it on the right and the right will

02:14:40.210 --> 02:14:42.130
blame it on the left. And then, you know, everybody

02:14:42.130 --> 02:14:46.310
has these very convenient CNN, Fox News narratives

02:14:46.310 --> 02:14:49.560
that they'll repeat at coffee. you know, coffee

02:14:49.560 --> 02:14:52.899
shops and cocktail parties and you pretend that

02:14:52.899 --> 02:14:54.479
you're making sense out of this thing when you

02:14:54.479 --> 02:14:56.119
don't even really know what's going on behind

02:14:56.119 --> 02:14:57.899
the scenes. That's why I really feel like, I

02:14:57.899 --> 02:15:03.300
feel like a lot of times we've been given a platform

02:15:03.300 --> 02:15:06.140
to talk, right? With social media, like everyone

02:15:06.140 --> 02:15:09.720
can talk and there's a power to that, but there's

02:15:09.720 --> 02:15:13.859
also a big misuse of it where you really don't

02:15:13.859 --> 02:15:19.439
know and you're not the authority. on perspective

02:15:19.439 --> 02:15:22.560
at all because there is so much that you would

02:15:22.560 --> 02:15:27.819
probably not know of history and the geography

02:15:27.819 --> 02:15:32.600
and of why people behave the way they are behaving.

02:15:32.779 --> 02:15:36.000
So I like to, unless I'm the expert on something,

02:15:36.100 --> 02:15:39.199
which I'm not on anything except my job, that

02:15:39.199 --> 02:15:44.279
too limited, I just try to kind of have a larger

02:15:44.279 --> 02:15:48.300
understanding from a human perspective. That's

02:15:48.300 --> 02:15:50.340
a great sign of intelligence because there's

02:15:50.340 --> 02:15:51.720
no way you can know everything about everything.

02:15:51.859 --> 02:15:53.859
And with certain things, especially a global

02:15:53.859 --> 02:15:56.619
conflict, you're like, what is happening? Like,

02:15:56.659 --> 02:15:59.279
why is this going on? Like I was telling you

02:15:59.279 --> 02:16:01.199
about when I went on the deep dive of the East

02:16:01.199 --> 02:16:04.720
India Corporation. I never had any idea that

02:16:04.720 --> 02:16:07.739
they went to war with China over opium. Yeah.

02:16:07.960 --> 02:16:10.680
Got them addicted first. Yeah. Got them addicted.

02:16:10.840 --> 02:16:13.899
Went to war with China. Stole Hong Kong. Yeah.

02:16:14.180 --> 02:16:22.170
Like, what? Gravity of manipulation in human

02:16:22.170 --> 02:16:26.470
history is insane. Like even when the East India

02:16:26.470 --> 02:16:29.090
Company and they started with trading with India

02:16:29.090 --> 02:16:31.430
too. many, many years ago. We just got started

02:16:31.430 --> 02:16:33.370
innocent. Yeah, completely. We're your friends.

02:16:33.409 --> 02:16:36.250
We're, you know, allies. We're friends with all

02:16:36.250 --> 02:16:38.909
the royalty in India. So many royals in India

02:16:38.909 --> 02:16:41.889
and royal. Each state had their own kings and

02:16:41.889 --> 02:16:45.209
princes and became friends with everyone. Started

02:16:45.209 --> 02:16:48.110
with tea, started with trading tea and spices

02:16:48.110 --> 02:16:52.020
and then just went into. You know, I mean, we

02:16:52.020 --> 02:16:54.680
got our independence in 1947, which was it's

02:16:54.680 --> 02:16:56.819
not even 100 years since we've got our independence.

02:16:56.860 --> 02:17:01.200
It's that recent. But you think about just within

02:17:01.200 --> 02:17:05.180
the last century, there were, you know, signs

02:17:05.180 --> 02:17:09.799
which said Indians and dogs not allowed in India

02:17:09.799 --> 02:17:14.700
by the British, like within this century. Indians

02:17:14.700 --> 02:17:20.520
and dogs? In India. Wow. Isn't that crazy? And

02:17:20.520 --> 02:17:24.600
this is like the, this is not even like, this

02:17:24.600 --> 02:17:27.399
is the head of the iceberg. There's so much more

02:17:27.399 --> 02:17:31.520
when you do a deep dive into the history of colonization,

02:17:31.620 --> 02:17:33.540
which is why this movie was also so interesting

02:17:33.540 --> 02:17:36.579
to me because it touches on the themes of, you

02:17:36.579 --> 02:17:39.620
know, the colonized and the story from their

02:17:39.620 --> 02:17:42.420
perspective, which is like not a lot of what

02:17:42.420 --> 02:17:46.319
we hear. No, not at all. I mean, there's a lot

02:17:46.319 --> 02:17:48.850
of great historical elements in that. just the

02:17:48.850 --> 02:17:52.270
pirate thing alone the fact that most of the

02:17:52.270 --> 02:17:54.090
time in human history when a boat showed up there

02:17:54.090 --> 02:17:57.010
was a real fucking problem yeah and what real

02:17:57.010 --> 02:18:00.049
real pirates like we've gotten so used to you

02:18:00.049 --> 02:18:02.530
know with the Disney version and I love the Pirates

02:18:02.530 --> 02:18:03.969
of the Caribbean movies don't get me wrong they're

02:18:03.969 --> 02:18:07.649
so fun but like the pirate jokes and whatever

02:18:07.649 --> 02:18:12.739
but they were fucking They were murderers. Yeah,

02:18:12.819 --> 02:18:16.500
horrific monsters. Horrible life. Yeah, I had

02:18:16.500 --> 02:18:18.219
a joke about that once. Like, why is it okay

02:18:18.219 --> 02:18:20.600
to be a pirate for Halloween? Why? You know how

02:18:20.600 --> 02:18:24.059
crazy it is for little kids? Yeah. You're a murderer

02:18:24.059 --> 02:18:27.479
rapist for Halloween. Yeah. Oh, look at his little

02:18:27.479 --> 02:18:31.920
hook. He lost his hand raping. I mean, that was

02:18:31.920 --> 02:18:34.200
what the pirates were. They were monsters. They

02:18:34.200 --> 02:18:37.129
were horrific monsters. And they would... Travel

02:18:37.129 --> 02:18:39.129
around the world just stealing people's stuff

02:18:39.129 --> 02:18:41.809
and killing everybody. Yeah, and that happened

02:18:41.809 --> 02:18:44.430
for thousands of years. And helping with colonization

02:18:44.430 --> 02:18:47.829
for years. The fact that they were soldiers for

02:18:47.829 --> 02:18:49.450
the East India Corporation, they were actually

02:18:49.450 --> 02:18:52.170
working for them to go and take over these areas.

02:18:52.389 --> 02:18:54.610
And the best soldiers from around the world.

02:18:54.829 --> 02:18:57.090
Yeah, mercenaries. The best mercenaries, murderers

02:18:57.090 --> 02:18:59.450
from around the world. They had a larger army

02:18:59.450 --> 02:19:01.469
than most European countries. Yeah, so wild.

02:19:01.469 --> 02:19:05.250
A corporation. Yeah, so wild. An army. Yeah.

02:19:05.770 --> 02:19:09.309
Yeah, essentially. But started off just trading,

02:19:09.450 --> 02:19:11.649
just super innocent. Hi, I'm your friend and

02:19:11.649 --> 02:19:13.309
I'm here for your bank. And they would be so

02:19:13.309 --> 02:19:16.750
respectful with, you know, the former kings and

02:19:16.750 --> 02:19:20.850
queens. And it's wild, the manipulation of it.

02:19:21.049 --> 02:19:24.250
Well, it's also wild how when you do have an

02:19:24.250 --> 02:19:26.670
obligation to your shareholders and you do have

02:19:26.670 --> 02:19:28.950
this mandate to just constantly make more money,

02:19:29.049 --> 02:19:31.690
the morals go out the window. And next thing

02:19:31.690 --> 02:19:33.190
you know, East India Corporation is involved

02:19:33.190 --> 02:19:37.090
in slavery. They used to call it divide and conquer,

02:19:37.250 --> 02:19:39.430
where they would get all the princes of each

02:19:39.430 --> 02:19:42.250
state to fight amongst each other. So instead

02:19:42.250 --> 02:19:47.069
of India being collective and together, she was

02:19:47.069 --> 02:19:49.270
divided between everyone fighting for each other

02:19:49.270 --> 02:19:53.469
so they could take over. It's like mental. Well,

02:19:53.729 --> 02:19:55.069
that's what people think is going on in America

02:19:55.069 --> 02:19:57.149
right now. I mean. I think that's the manipulation

02:19:57.149 --> 02:19:59.170
of the right versus the left here. When most

02:19:59.170 --> 02:20:01.729
people kind of want the same thing. They just

02:20:01.729 --> 02:20:05.389
want to be healthy and safe and have their families

02:20:05.389 --> 02:20:08.530
healthy and safe. And do your job and come back

02:20:08.530 --> 02:20:10.590
home. That's what most people want. Yeah. But

02:20:10.590 --> 02:20:14.370
then the division is like constantly in the news.

02:20:14.389 --> 02:20:16.850
It's constant struggle. It's the only thing that

02:20:16.850 --> 02:20:20.850
you hear about. Yeah. We're both dumb and stupid.

02:20:21.930 --> 02:20:24.049
And smart. Smart and stupid at the same time.

02:20:24.049 --> 02:20:26.290
Smart and stupid at the same time, but more dumb.

02:20:26.549 --> 02:20:28.750
And that's the other thing about technology.

02:20:28.770 --> 02:20:30.950
It allows you to stay dumb because everything's

02:20:30.950 --> 02:20:34.370
done for you. You don't really have to think

02:20:34.370 --> 02:20:37.149
outside the box that much. Everything's kind

02:20:37.149 --> 02:20:39.270
of laid out for you. Yeah, like if you think

02:20:39.270 --> 02:20:41.870
about AI in Hollywood now. That's weird, right?

02:20:42.110 --> 02:20:47.729
It's in writer's rooms. It's used as a tool.

02:20:48.989 --> 02:20:52.610
But I was listening to that podcast with Ben

02:20:52.610 --> 02:20:54.969
and Matt on your show, and you guys were talking

02:20:54.969 --> 02:21:00.430
about, you know, like, basically everything that

02:21:00.430 --> 02:21:03.049
AI has or the information that it provides to

02:21:03.049 --> 02:21:06.229
you is an average of everything that's out there,

02:21:06.290 --> 02:21:09.030
right? So it'll never be excellent. Right. Because

02:21:09.030 --> 02:21:12.590
it's the average of all the information out there,

02:21:12.629 --> 02:21:15.530
so it's like trying to do a median. But I'm just

02:21:15.530 --> 02:21:20.319
thinking about how... It's become a tool that

02:21:20.319 --> 02:21:24.819
is going to exist in our world now. The question

02:21:24.819 --> 02:21:27.760
is the morality of it and the lines that we draw

02:21:27.760 --> 02:21:31.780
where we protect human beings and human contribution

02:21:31.780 --> 02:21:36.659
and are able to delineate the difference between

02:21:36.659 --> 02:21:40.479
what is created by AI and what is not. And the

02:21:40.479 --> 02:21:47.950
need for, I think, Human flaws are something

02:21:47.950 --> 02:21:50.989
that I don't know if AI will be able to recreate

02:21:50.989 --> 02:21:55.469
anytime soon. And that, like, in art, that's

02:21:55.469 --> 02:21:58.809
what you need, right? Yeah, you'll get facsimiles.

02:21:59.010 --> 02:22:00.950
Yeah. But you won't get the real thing. It's

02:22:00.950 --> 02:22:04.250
like the hollowness of AI music. AI music is

02:22:04.250 --> 02:22:06.209
really fun, but after a while you realize there's

02:22:06.209 --> 02:22:08.850
not a dude singing this. And there's not, like,

02:22:08.930 --> 02:22:12.100
a soul to it. It's weird. It's empty. Yeah. Yeah.

02:22:12.219 --> 02:22:15.379
So far, but who knows? That's the problem. It

02:22:15.379 --> 02:22:17.280
could figure out a way to manipulate that part

02:22:17.280 --> 02:22:20.879
of your brain that reproduces whatever soulful

02:22:20.879 --> 02:22:25.200
music is or whatever the soul is. Yeah. I mean,

02:22:25.219 --> 02:22:27.139
I was thinking about like being an actor. I was

02:22:27.139 --> 02:22:30.719
like, is that going to be obsolete in the next

02:22:30.719 --> 02:22:34.040
like 10 years? Are we going to be watching? It

02:22:34.040 --> 02:22:36.639
kind of could be. Yeah. Are we going to be watching

02:22:36.639 --> 02:22:42.420
like really good AI actors? Probably. You know?

02:22:42.840 --> 02:22:46.299
I need to find a new job. Well, I think a lot

02:22:46.299 --> 02:22:47.639
of people are going to have to find a new job.

02:22:47.680 --> 02:22:50.620
I think live performances, plays and musicals

02:22:50.620 --> 02:22:51.899
and stuff like that, people are always going

02:22:51.899 --> 02:22:54.020
to want to see people do something live. For

02:22:54.020 --> 02:22:56.840
sure. Yeah. Well, when it comes to cinema, especially

02:22:56.840 --> 02:23:03.120
because I feel like audiences also love larger

02:23:03.120 --> 02:23:05.459
-than -life cinema, right? Like, we go to the

02:23:05.459 --> 02:23:07.979
theaters to watch this, like, big shit. We loved

02:23:07.979 --> 02:23:12.520
when VFX came into... We love the imagination

02:23:12.520 --> 02:23:17.540
being able to be so big. I do think AI helps

02:23:17.540 --> 02:23:23.239
in a big way to take away the burdens of the

02:23:23.239 --> 02:23:26.000
minutia of things that we might have to do as

02:23:26.000 --> 02:23:28.979
a tool, which it can do, like a breakdown of

02:23:28.979 --> 02:23:31.500
a script or whatever. But I think when it comes

02:23:31.500 --> 02:23:36.420
to creating the human fragility of life and story,

02:23:36.639 --> 02:23:40.680
it is still a little bit... away from being able

02:23:40.680 --> 02:23:43.139
to do that. Yeah. I think it's always going to

02:23:43.139 --> 02:23:46.579
be like pop. Yeah. It's never going to create

02:23:46.579 --> 02:23:50.379
like taxi driver. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You need,

02:23:50.500 --> 02:23:52.860
I mean, but I might be wrong about that too.

02:23:53.040 --> 02:23:54.879
Yeah. Who knows? It might not even matter by

02:23:54.879 --> 02:23:57.420
the time it starts taking over all of our resources.

02:23:58.340 --> 02:24:01.159
I'm so curious actually to see how many conversations

02:24:01.159 --> 02:24:03.840
that everyone, all of us have had about, you

02:24:03.840 --> 02:24:07.670
know, this emergence of AI and how that. Like

02:24:07.670 --> 02:24:10.549
stays 10 years later. Are we like this? Did this

02:24:10.549 --> 02:24:13.129
age well? Probably not. Did I know what I was

02:24:13.129 --> 02:24:15.569
talking about? We probably have no idea what's

02:24:15.569 --> 02:24:16.670
going on. No, no chance. It's probably going

02:24:16.670 --> 02:24:18.030
to be so crazy. We didn't have any idea about

02:24:18.030 --> 02:24:20.790
this. Like where we would be right now. It might

02:24:20.790 --> 02:24:23.430
be Dr. Manhattan floating over the country telling

02:24:23.430 --> 02:24:29.110
us what to do. It's possible. I don't know. But

02:24:29.110 --> 02:24:30.850
thank you for being here. I really enjoyed it.

02:24:30.889 --> 02:24:32.370
It was a really fun conversation. Thank you.

02:24:32.450 --> 02:24:34.780
And I really enjoyed your movie. Crazy violent.

02:24:34.920 --> 02:24:37.239
I didn't expect that, but very exciting and very

02:24:37.239 --> 02:24:39.239
good. Thank you for taking me around the world

02:24:39.239 --> 02:24:42.700
and everywhere else. We time traveled. We talked

02:24:42.700 --> 02:24:44.559
about the whole world. We went into history.

02:24:44.639 --> 02:24:47.180
We went into the future. It was awesome. Well,

02:24:47.280 --> 02:24:49.680
congratulations to you and continued success.

02:24:50.000 --> 02:24:51.559
Thank you, Joe. Thank you. I really enjoyed it.

02:24:51.620 --> 02:24:53.860
Thank you. Me too. Bye, everybody. Bye.