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Welcome to this curated educational transcript of the Joe Rogan Experience. In this session, we examine the critical perspectives and historical dialogues presented in Episode #[Número del Episodio]. Our goal is to provide a searchable, high-fidelity research resource for students of cultural history, technology, and global discourse. This transcript has been optimized for academic reference and archival preservation regarding
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Experience. Train by day. Joe Rogan Podcast by

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night. All day. Hello, Rachel. What's happening?

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Hello, Joe. Very nice to see you again. Good

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to see you, too. So when your husband, Andrew,

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came in here, he told me about your book. And

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then I talked to you, and you seemed very interesting.

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And you gave me a little brief synopsis of it.

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And so then I listened to it on audio tape, and

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it's fucking crazy. And it is the... Occult feminism,

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the secret history of women's liberation. You

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know, I didn't really have much of an opinion

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on feminism. My opinion was, you know, unfortunately

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you run into some feminists that just seem to

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not like men for whatever reason. And, you know,

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there's a lot of people in this world that aren't

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happy with their position or station in life.

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But I didn't really think too much into how this

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all got started. until I listened to your book,

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and I'm like, this is kind of bonkers. So before

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we get into your book, how did you decide to

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write about this? What was your little journey

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or big journey? Yeah, it's kind of a big journey.

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So when I was growing up, I was in all the advanced

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kid classes, and from the time I was in kindergarten,

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it was just pounded into my head like, you're

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going to college, you're going to have a career.

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You know, you're smart and you have to do something

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with that. It was like the only option that was

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put before me. And so I followed that path like

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all the way through school. And by the time I

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got done with 12 years of regular school, I realized

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a couple of things. One is school is not where

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you go to learn things. Public school is not

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so great for smart people for the most part.

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And that I really didn't like. Like another four

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years of school just sounded like hell to me.

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And I really just wanted to get married and have

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kids. That's kind of what I always wanted to

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do. Much to the horror of my Marxist feminist

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mother, who did not like that. Oh, you were indoctrinated

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at an early age. Well, she tried. But I was the

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why kid. I was the kid that's just like, why?

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Why? But why? And I had like a Rush Limbaugh

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dad. Wow. Yeah. They got divorced. Shocker. Who

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could have seen it coming? So they got divorced

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when I was like nine. So I grew up in like two

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worlds. I had like Republican business owner

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Rush Limbaugh dad and I had Marxist feminist

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crazy mom. Was the mom always Marxist feminist

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and was the dad always like a Rush Limbaugh Republican?

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Yep. How did they fall in love? How did all that

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happen? They didn't. I was an accident. Oh, so

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they just fall in lust. Yes. I was like an oops

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baby. And my dad said that when he saw me, he

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was like, well, I don't want anybody else. Like,

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this is the only thing that matters to me. So

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I'm going to make this work. And he tried his

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best. How did they even hook up with such radically

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different ideologies? I don't think they were

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talking about that sort of thing. When they got

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together, they were probably hanging out at a

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bar. Oh, so they didn't really know each other

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very well. Not really. They were kind of like

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they worked in the same place and met at work

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and then had like a fling. And then I was born.

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Yeah. Yeah. So I had divorced parents. Yeah.

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It was it was really rough because my mother

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like hated my dad. She could never tell you anything

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he did wrong. Yeah. It was just like he's an

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evil white patriarchal. bad, bad Republican man.

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One of my earliest memories is them fighting

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over the Bush -Dukakis election in 88 and threatening

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to lock each other in the house so that one couldn't

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cancel the other one's vote and stuff. I know,

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fun. It was fun. Was this before after Kitty

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Dukakis drank mouthwash? Or what did she drink?

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She drank something like that. I think so. Aftershave

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or mouthwash to try to get drunk? Yeah. The pressure

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of the election must have been so... So insane.

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And this is pre -social media, right? And this

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lady was already struggling with, like, alcoholism.

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And I think she was hospitalized for drinking

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something that was not a drink. Can we find out

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what that was? It was really crazy, right? Do

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you remember that? I just remember that whole

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election being pretty nuts, like, as far as,

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like, the Democrats versus Republicans. And this

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was when Democrats were more like how Republicans

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are right now. Do caucus try to ride in a tank?

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to make everybody think he was, like, a pro -war

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tough guy. Remember that? Yeah. Yeah, and I remember,

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read my lips, no new taxes and all that stuff.

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So, like, I had this going on, like, as a kid,

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so I think my brain was already thinking about

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this sort of stuff from the time I was little.

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Rubbing alcohol. Ew. Yo, that's crazy. Nail polish

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remover. Oh, my God. She drank nail polish remover?

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Holy shit. She couldn't just huff paint like

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normal person. Very open about her struggles

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with alcohol and addiction to amphetamines to

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reduce the stigma surrounding these issues, later

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detailing these experiences in her books. Huh.

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Okay. Yeah. So my parents were like ready to

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kill each other over that. And so they divorced

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right after that. They divorced. And so I'd spend

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time with dad and I'd spend time with mom. And

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I had two completely different realities and

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worldviews. And I think. Growing up like that,

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you're trying to sort out what's true. You're

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trying to figure out, like, is there any merit

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to what mom's saying the world is or any merit

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to what dad's saying the world is? And I think

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dad was more persuasive and better at pulling

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me his direction because I never really absorbed.

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Like, I always thought Marxism was, you know,

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faking gay and stupid. I just never bought into

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it at all. Why at an early age did you think

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that? Because I already had seen that, you know,

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we're not all. born equal with equal things and

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some people work much harder some people have

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natural gifts and talents and to think that because

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my mother would literally say stuff in the house

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like from you know from each person according

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to their ability to each person according to

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their need and I was like even when I do that

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in class like if there's a group project Everybody

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wants me on their team because I'm the smart

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kid who's going to do the homework. I end up

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doing everything and everybody else gets the

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A, even though I did everything. So those are

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the people that are really into socialism. People

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that have fast stuff. Yes. Yeah. And so like

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from being a little kid, I even noticed like,

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no, things aren't equal and things aren't always

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fair. And it depends on, you know. your natural

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skills and abilities and then what you do with

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those things because there's lots of people like

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my mother was super talented really intelligent

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person but she was so like emotionally chaotic

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she never applied them to anything she never

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really got anywhere or did anything she had big

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dreams of what she thought she should have and

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and never really got there because she was so

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like emotionally unregulated and kind of chaotic

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so I just kind of saw that, no, there's not this

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like thing where you can just even the playing

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field and make it all equal for everyone. That's

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not how it works. There's also a thing that if

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you're locked up in something like Marxism, if

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that's your ideology, you're in this constant

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struggle with the rest of the world all the time

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where you want to bend it to your ideology. You

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want to change it. And so even if you're a very

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intelligent person, your daily mindset is struggle.

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Daily mindset is conflict and existential crisis.

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Like, you know, that is exactly that was that

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was the picture that was laid in front of me.

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Yeah, it's I go to dad's house and he's like.

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He started a business after the divorce and he's

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like hustling. He's working 12 to 14 hour days.

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He's doing everything he can to make it work.

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He's not complaining. He's just like, this is

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what you got to do. If you want to make it, if

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you want to, you know, do your own thing and

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prove that, you know, you're good at what you

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do, you have to compete. You have to get out

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there. You have to work hard. Why complain about

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it? And then my mom's whole world was she ended

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up being very bitter and resentful because it

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was like this view of, but I deserved this. That

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should have been me. Whatever reason. And often

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it was like if I was more attractive, you know,

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the men at work would have given me a raise if

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I looked like the other woman in the office or

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something, you know. So it was like this bitter,

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resentful. She was kind of like at war with the

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world. So seeing those two things, neither of

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my parents are perfect. Who is who has perfect

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parents? But it was kind of like. I'd rather

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play over here where there's a purpose for me

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working hard and giving it my best shot and trying

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in life and figuring out what's important to

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me and then tailoring, you know, all my efforts

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toward that. And I just thought that having a

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family was so cool. And I wanted to have the

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family I didn't have. So I had this dream of

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like getting married, having kids, having an

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intact family and making it like a place. Where

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kids can grow up without all the screaming and

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yelling and chaos that I had and that a lot of

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kids have nowadays. So I didn't go to college.

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I had a full ride scholarship and I didn't go,

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which everybody thought was the end of the world.

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It was like, how could you do that? Your life

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is over. You'll never be anything. And I was

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kind of like, we'll see. It is very weird that

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we're convinced that the only way to get educated

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is by an official institution with all the information

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that's available now. I mean, even back then,

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like that's the whole premise of Good Will Hunting.

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Like you can get very smart from a public library.

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You really don't need. It's just the books are

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available for everyone. The information is available

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for everyone if you chase it down. It's not like

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the only people that get any information are

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the ones who go to these colleges. It's one of

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the biggest lies that. education like we can

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just educate everyone the problem is we're not

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educated enough and if everyone had enough access

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to education everyone would be intelligent everyone

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would be thriving it's like the internet's kind

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of proved this i had a teacher it's not an information

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problem right i had a teacher in high school

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that said something i don't know if this is his

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quote or he was quoting someone else but he said

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education is something that allows you to get

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along without intelligence. And intelligence

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is something that allows you to get along without

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education. I like that. That's pretty good. I

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was like, oh, I get it. There's certain people

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that are just dumb at certain things. Like I

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remember being around intelligent people that

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had no knowledge of how a car worked, of any

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of the workings of a car. You would tell, well,

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this is back in like spark plug days. You could

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explain to them like, oh, one of the cables for

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your spark plug got loose. You're only firing

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on five. Dillenders. The whole six is not. That's

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why it's like shaking like that. Who? Who? Like

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if it was anything else, if you're talking about

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the economy, if you're talking about the political

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process, that guy would think the other guy was

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a moron. But now this guy thinks he's a moron.

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I remember like being like auto shop class going,

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there's a lot of different kinds of intelligence.

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We've just done this weird thing where we've

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categorized like. You have to go to specific

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schools. You have to go to the you got to get

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a degree. Everybody wanted to go to Ivy League

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schools. I lived in Boston. It was like very

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important. Did you get a higher education? You

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go on to make everybody proud. And they were

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all fucking miserable. Well, my dad said this

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to me. He was the only person that when I graduated,

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I said, I don't think I want to go to college

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for this. I don't think that's what I want to

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do. Like any of the things I'm looking at when

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I think about like having a career in that thing.

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I'm not very excited about it. I don't I don't

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get like, oh, hyped up to go do this. I was like,

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I really just kind of want to, you know, maybe

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someday. But I would love to have a bunch of

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kids and stuff. And my dad was like, you know,

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a lot of the people in my office have degrees

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and, you know, they have careers and some of

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them are very miserable people. So if you don't

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want to do that, he's like, you could always

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decide to go later. So I was like, oh, I kind

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of like bargained with everyone. I was like,

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I'm just going to give it a year. I do that too.

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Yeah. And if I feel like I want to go to college

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after a year of no high school, then I'll go.

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I could still do it. But I ended up having a

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baby at 20, which, again, was the end of the

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world. Oh, my God, Rachel, your life is over.

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You'll never be anything. You'll never do anything.

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It's over for you. It's such a tragedy. It was

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treated like this horrible thing. And I thought

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it was great. And when I had her, the job that

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I had. Did not matter to me anymore at all. It

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seemed so stupid. It was like anybody can go.

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I was a hairstylist at the time. Anybody can

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go do haircuts. Someone else can cut Debbie's

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hair, but only I can be her mom. I want to do

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that. And everybody was telling me, you have

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to go back to work. You have to go back to work.

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That's what we do now. Two weeks after the baby's

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born, you got to go back to work. You need the

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money. You need the security. You need the income.

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And I looked around and thought this. is insane

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like who came up with this system because I am

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going to go drop her off at two weeks old and

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let some lady who doesn't know or care about

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or love my baby the way that I do take care of

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her all day long you know if you factor in the

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commute it's like nine nine and a half hours

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that I'm away from her by the time I get home

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and feed her and give her a bath it'll be bedtime

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and that'll be it I'll get like maybe two hours

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with my baby all day you know And I get to pay

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half of what I make to this other random person

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to raise my child. Who came up with this? This

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is stupid. And I have to pay taxes and I have

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to have a second vehicle and insurance and a

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work wardrobe. And I just thought this is the

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most inefficient, stupid system. And everyone

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around me is like, this is this is good. This

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is what we all need to do. Even like Christian

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conservative women. that were friends and family

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members were like, well, you don't want to depend

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on a man because then you're going to get abused.

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They fear mongered me to death about staying

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home with my kids. And at the time, this was

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my high school boyfriend who I had my first child

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with. Because I was kind of a libertarian at

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this stage and both my parents at this point,

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my parents have multiple divorces between the

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two of them. And I always I know I always heard,

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oh, marriage is just a piece of paper. What really

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matters is that you love each other and that

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sort of thing. And I'd known this guy since we

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were kids. We'd known each other forever. We'd

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been together for a long time. So I thought this

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was great. And my goal was, let's get us to the

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point where I can stay home and be like a full

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time mom. And he had stuff going on. It did not

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work out. He took off. Devastating, horrible,

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terrible for me. No big fights, no cheating,

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nothing like that. You know, he's a private person,

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so I don't want to tell his business, but he

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had his own personal things going on and left.

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And it was back to, you know, I had to work and

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be a working mom. And I didn't like that. And

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I still thought that there was something wrong

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here, but I hadn't really like looked into. Where

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do we get this idea that women must be working?

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Like, my grandma didn't work. Bless her soul,

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by the way. She is going to be turning 100 April

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1st, my grandma, who's still with us. And she's

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probably my ace in the hole and the reason I

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kind of turned out normal despite my chaotic

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family upbringing. Because she was super grounded,

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nice Christian lady, only in eighth grade education,

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but she knew how to do everything. She'd go back

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and like... pluck a chicken, cook it up for dinner,

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can everything in the garden, preserve all the

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food. And she had more done by 8 a .m. than most

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human beings on earth. So I had like grandma

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as a pillar to really help me through this stuff.

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So shout out grandma. Which is work. Yeah. It's

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housework. Yeah. Yeah. Which is like really important.

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Like it has to get done. Yeah. And most people

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think someone else should do that. Yeah. I need

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to be in an office. Yeah. This is for wages like

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low low paid wagey people to do. I need to be

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doing something important. But I always thought

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she was really important. She was super important

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to me because when you know my parents were off

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doing whatever they were doing I'd always get

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dumped at grandma's. So I spent a ton of time

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with her growing up. And she was full of wisdom.

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And like I said, she knew how to do everything.

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Like her practical skills were crazy. She can

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cook anything. She can clean anything. She can

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can and preserve food. She grew up during the

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Great Depression. She was born in 1928. Oh, wow.

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Yeah. And she had been through some stuff. Like

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she lost her husband to cancer. She lost her

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daughter to kidney disease. Like she had been

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through it. So she had a lot of like good advice

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and wisdom. And she would always say, I wish

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I was smart like you. I wish I was smart like

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you and I could go to school and stuff like that.

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But I thought, Grandma, you're the only person

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that knows what the hell they're doing. You're

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the only person in my world who seems to know

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what they're doing. The grass is always greener.

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When you're looking at a woman that's entering

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into the workforce who's really intelligent,

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you start thinking, oh, she's going to have a

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career. She's going to be a CEO someday. Everyone's

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going to respect her. Meanwhile, that person's

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on pills and suicidal and can't sleep. Well,

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we're going to get into that. We're going to

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get into, I'm sure, like how it's turned out

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for women, pushing them into the workforce, telling

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them they can have it all and how they're dealing

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with that. But I didn't deal with it well. When

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I was at work, I felt like I should be at home

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and I was missing my kids and like I was really

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failing on the home front. And when I was at

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home, I felt like I should be giving more to

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work and I felt constantly torn. And that's something

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I hear from pretty much every woman I talk to

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who has kids and a job, that it's really tough.

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That you always feel like you're not able to

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give enough to each thing. You just can't spread

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yourself that thin all the time. And I think

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it's bad advice. I think we give women backwards

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advice. I think we tell them, spend all your

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fertile years, all your youth, building a career,

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going to school and building a career. Then by

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the time you're like 30, 35 and you've got all

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that established, then you can think about getting

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married and having kids. Well, by then. You better

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find somebody quick and get on it because you

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got a handful of years left. Yeah. You know,

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and you might need IVF and all these other things.

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And a lot of women struggle. And it's one of

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the it's actually nobody wants to talk about

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this. This is the conversation no one's ready

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for. Women's access to higher education is the

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number one correlate around the world, regardless

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of economics, race, culture, status, anything

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to falling birth rates. Wow. So it turns out

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that when you push young women that it's education,

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career, education, career. Because why? Why do

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we tell them that? Otherwise, you're at the mercy

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of a man and he'll abuse you. He'll take advantage.

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drinkag1 .com. Isn't there also a practical consideration

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for a lot of people? Because the cost of living

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is very different now than it was, like, say,

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in the 1950s or the 1960s. And it's very difficult

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for a lot of people to get by on one income.

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Yes, it is. But have you ever asked why that

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is? I have, but I'd love to hear you talk about

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it. So prior to the 1970s, we had 5 % of mothers

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with school -age kids working outside the home.

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And for all of human history, Even during the

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Industrial Revolution, you know, 17, 18, 1900s,

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like you said, in the 40s and 50s, you could

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be a janitor and support a family and have four

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kids on one income. And something shifted in

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the 1970s and it's never shifted back. So it

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can't be like. how the stock market's doing.

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It can't really be like all these other independent

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economic factors that have shifted and changed

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and been so different over the course of the

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last 50 years. The one big thing that we changed

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is we pushed women into college and into the

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workforce. And by the 1980s, they were on par

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with men in workforce participation. So in the

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span of about 20 years, we almost... doubled

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the labor force by pushing all the women in,

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and men's wages have never recovered. So now

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you are stuck in a two -income trap where even

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women who want to stay home and even dads who

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would love to have their wife home with their

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kids, it's really tough. So why did women entering

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the workforce keep men's wages stable or keep

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them from going up along with the inflation?

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It really fundamentally changed the economy.

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I have a friend named Aaron Clary who wrote a

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book about this. It's an analysis of what he

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calls a female based economy where it's more

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consumer driven. Women are like responsible for

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80 percent of consumer spending. And now that

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they're all educated and in the job market, we

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have a lot more of things like H .R. departments,

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psychology, sociology, like the economy shifted

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away from being like manufacturing and production

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and more male dominated things to we have all

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these women coming out of university. And, you

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know, what do they get degrees in? I think 80

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percent of psychology degrees are earned by women.

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And then despite all our efforts to push women

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into STEM, they're still like maybe 20 percent

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of STEM degrees. So we have all these very educated

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women and we have a lot of kind of fluffy jobs

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like office jobs, HR jobs, social media managers.

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And mostly women do a lot of the same things

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they used to do. So they're nurses, they're early

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childhood educators, they're retail workers,

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they're cooks, they're housekeepers. They're

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doing a lot of the stuff they used to do, which

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the Marxist feminists called unpaid labor, right?

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This is the myth of women's unpaid labor. So

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instead of cleaning your own house, educating

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your own children, cooking meals for your family,

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maybe for your... your parents or grandparents

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who can't cook for themselves, all the things

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we used to do for our own family, clerical work,

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bookkeeping for your husband's business, things

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like that. We're doing those things for corporations.

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So that and this was kind of by design. A lot

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of the book is about the fact that there were

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people who pushed feminism and it wasn't because

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women were oppressed and they cared about the

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position of women necessarily. It's because the

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same people who pushed. you know, the 19th Amendment

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and pushed progressivism and feminism were the

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same people who drafted the Federal Reserve legislation,

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came up with the income tax, came up with the

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compulsory education system. And especially on

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the Marxist side, they pushed feminism because

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they said, if we can push mothers and women into

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the workforce and we double the workforce. Workers

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of the world unite. You know what I'm saying?

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So it's like we have this huge workforce and

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through the university systems, we can kind of

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propagandize the young women to be socialists

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and to be Marxists because they kind of tend

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that way anyway. The way that women's brains

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work is very like communitarian for a reason.

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We're moms, you know. So it's very easy to radicalize.

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And this isn't my opinion. Like I go over in

00:24:25.859 --> 00:24:27.980
the book how. You can just read the writings

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of these people and they tell you August Babel,

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Alexandra Kollontai, Margaret Fuller, like all

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these early 1800s writers were saying, we need

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to get women away from the home and away from

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being mothers and push them into the workplace

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because then we can politicize them. We can motivate

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them into becoming revolutionaries. And that's

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how we'll get the numbers to make this work.

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Wow. Yeah. So now. Instead of staying home with

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your kids and doing all these things for your

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family, for your community, you're doing them

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for a corporation and you're paying income tax.

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You're paying all the other taxes associated

00:25:05.619 --> 00:25:07.740
with having to work outside the home, gas tax

00:25:07.740 --> 00:25:09.259
because you're driving back and forth to work,

00:25:09.380 --> 00:25:14.180
payroll taxes, all that kind of stuff. And you

00:25:14.180 --> 00:25:16.960
are away from your kids all day. Where do they

00:25:16.960 --> 00:25:19.559
go? They go to public schools where the public

00:25:19.559 --> 00:25:22.470
school system. then can dictate to them what

00:25:22.470 --> 00:25:27.269
the values should be, what the worldview should

00:25:27.269 --> 00:25:32.930
be instead of the parents. It just makes you

00:25:32.930 --> 00:25:37.430
wonder. There's all these giant shifts. and culture.

00:25:37.609 --> 00:25:41.009
And it makes you wonder, what would we look like

00:25:41.009 --> 00:25:43.690
if that had never taken place? Well, that's,

00:25:43.690 --> 00:25:45.910
so you asked like, why did I start writing about

00:25:45.910 --> 00:25:48.730
this? That's why, because I had like an aha moment

00:25:48.730 --> 00:25:54.250
where I realized feminism is far and away, like

00:25:54.250 --> 00:25:56.309
it's not even close. It's the biggest social

00:25:56.309 --> 00:25:58.809
revolution in all of human history. And it happened

00:25:58.809 --> 00:26:02.210
in one century. We took the whole social order.

00:26:02.960 --> 00:26:05.420
that was in every culture around the world for

00:26:05.420 --> 00:26:09.039
all of the rest of time that's recorded. And

00:26:09.039 --> 00:26:11.599
we flipped it upside down and completely changed

00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:14.559
it in one century. Everything about your life

00:26:14.559 --> 00:26:17.559
is different now because of feminism in ways

00:26:17.559 --> 00:26:19.839
that you don't even think about. You know, the

00:26:19.839 --> 00:26:24.680
way that you act in the workplace, the way that

00:26:24.680 --> 00:26:27.000
legislation works, the way that school systems

00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:29.700
work, like every single thing about life has

00:26:29.700 --> 00:26:32.990
changed. as a downstream result of feminism and

00:26:32.990 --> 00:26:36.750
pushing this model of women's equality, which

00:26:36.750 --> 00:26:38.650
it's really not. It's really not about equality.

00:26:38.829 --> 00:26:40.789
And all you have to do is read all the first.

00:26:40.910 --> 00:26:42.970
Everybody thinks first wave was just, oh, they

00:26:42.970 --> 00:26:45.190
just wanted rights. They just wanted a few rights.

00:26:45.789 --> 00:26:48.069
That was good. You know, and the average person

00:26:48.069 --> 00:26:50.190
would say, yeah, I think that that was good.

00:26:50.430 --> 00:26:52.730
But that's because they don't know the real history.

00:26:52.849 --> 00:26:54.289
And the reason they don't know the real history

00:26:54.289 --> 00:26:56.890
is because when they invented gender studies.

00:26:57.450 --> 00:26:59.809
and Women's Studies, which were created by the

00:26:59.809 --> 00:27:02.769
Ford Foundation with some help from the Rockefellers

00:27:02.769 --> 00:27:07.049
and the Carnegies in the late 60s. They literally

00:27:07.049 --> 00:27:10.130
rewrote the history of how women's suffrage happened.

00:27:10.430 --> 00:27:12.809
So there's a professor named Joseph Miller who

00:27:12.809 --> 00:27:16.890
did an examination of the main 12 textbooks that

00:27:16.890 --> 00:27:19.589
are most commonly used in all the Western universities

00:27:19.589 --> 00:27:22.890
to teach women's history. And he's not even like

00:27:22.890 --> 00:27:25.829
a right winger. He's like a liberal college professor.

00:27:26.049 --> 00:27:29.089
But when he looked and examined those 12 textbooks

00:27:29.089 --> 00:27:32.710
and compared them to the actual writings, you

00:27:32.710 --> 00:27:34.970
know, newspaper articles, writings of feminists

00:27:34.970 --> 00:27:37.789
themselves, public debates held between suffragists

00:27:37.789 --> 00:27:40.369
and anti -suffragists, all of the writings of

00:27:40.369 --> 00:27:43.190
anti -suffragist groups, which far outnumbered

00:27:43.190 --> 00:27:46.369
pro -suffragist groups, he found that they left

00:27:46.369 --> 00:27:50.150
out huge chunks. Of what really happened or intentionally

00:27:50.150 --> 00:27:53.970
misrepresented what actually happened on purpose

00:27:53.970 --> 00:27:58.490
to kind of sell feminism as something different

00:27:58.490 --> 00:28:00.309
than what it what it really was. So what did

00:28:00.309 --> 00:28:02.750
they leave out? So the most important thing they

00:28:02.750 --> 00:28:05.890
left out was that women did not want women's

00:28:05.890 --> 00:28:09.529
liberation. They were. Yes. Everybody assumes

00:28:09.529 --> 00:28:13.049
and believes that it was a grassroots thing that

00:28:13.049 --> 00:28:15.930
women kind of looked around in the 19th century

00:28:15.930 --> 00:28:18.519
and they went, you know. We're oppressed. We

00:28:18.519 --> 00:28:21.039
don't have any rights. I wish I could work. I

00:28:21.039 --> 00:28:23.000
wish I could get away from my bastard husband

00:28:23.000 --> 00:28:27.640
who drinks and beats me. I need rights. I need

00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:30.019
a bank account. I need credit cards. I want to

00:28:30.019 --> 00:28:32.420
go to university. And they marched and they picketed

00:28:32.420 --> 00:28:35.720
until they had voting rights and equality in

00:28:35.720 --> 00:28:38.779
the workplace. That's the story everyone's heard,

00:28:38.920 --> 00:28:42.960
and it's not correct at all. In fact, it's the

00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:48.200
opposite. So this is hilarious. So we had this

00:28:48.200 --> 00:28:50.900
big fight in the late 1800s between pro -suffrage

00:28:50.900 --> 00:28:55.259
groups and anti -suffrage groups. Most women

00:28:55.259 --> 00:28:58.039
in the United States and England, if they were

00:28:58.039 --> 00:29:00.859
a member of either, they far outnumbered. by

00:29:00.859 --> 00:29:02.759
joining the anti -suffrage groups. They were

00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:05.299
very much against it. It was only a small minority

00:29:05.299 --> 00:29:09.200
of women who were pro -suffrage. And these groups

00:29:09.200 --> 00:29:11.799
would debate publicly. They would write pamphlets.

00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:13.660
They would write tracts. We have a really good

00:29:13.660 --> 00:29:16.500
written historical record of what actually happened.

00:29:17.339 --> 00:29:21.339
And women didn't want it. They thought they had

00:29:21.339 --> 00:29:25.019
a lot of great things going on already that were

00:29:25.019 --> 00:29:26.660
going to get ruined by suffrage. For example,

00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:28.769
here's some... Let's do a little myth busting.

00:29:28.930 --> 00:29:31.490
People have this idea that prior to the 19th

00:29:31.490 --> 00:29:34.869
Amendment, women were denied an education. Completely

00:29:34.869 --> 00:29:36.890
untrue. Some of the first universities in the

00:29:36.890 --> 00:29:40.150
United States were exclusively female universities

00:29:40.150 --> 00:29:44.190
and seminaries and secondary schools. More women

00:29:44.190 --> 00:29:46.670
actually probably had the opportunity to go than

00:29:46.670 --> 00:29:48.789
men because men always had to work in the fields,

00:29:48.809 --> 00:29:51.609
in the mines, go to war, build the infrastructure

00:29:51.609 --> 00:29:55.730
of the nation, work on railroads. So women were

00:29:55.730 --> 00:29:57.390
seen as like, well, you're going to be teaching

00:29:57.390 --> 00:30:00.109
the kids. So you should probably do a little

00:30:00.109 --> 00:30:02.910
extra education. Whereas Jimmy and Billy, they

00:30:02.910 --> 00:30:06.170
need to work the farm with dad, you know. So

00:30:06.170 --> 00:30:09.130
there was never any law that prohibited women

00:30:09.130 --> 00:30:11.970
from higher education. What happens, what feminists

00:30:11.970 --> 00:30:14.970
do, they rely on framing. So they'll say because

00:30:14.970 --> 00:30:17.869
there weren't co -ed universities, because it

00:30:17.869 --> 00:30:20.430
was women's universities and then men had separate

00:30:20.430 --> 00:30:24.559
ones. It was mostly segregated. They'll say women

00:30:24.559 --> 00:30:27.779
didn't have equal access to education. Were the

00:30:27.779 --> 00:30:30.880
better schools men's schools? No. In fact, I'd

00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:34.299
say so. I guess you could say some. There were

00:30:34.299 --> 00:30:37.039
a handful of Ivy League institutions that didn't

00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:41.240
let women into certain programs. But it was mostly

00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:43.920
like medical stuff, things like that. And that

00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:46.730
had already changed. before the passage of the

00:30:46.730 --> 00:30:49.190
19th Amendment. Women were already being led

00:30:49.190 --> 00:30:51.430
into Ivy League education, being allowed to do

00:30:51.430 --> 00:30:54.670
biology and become doctors. Many of the women

00:30:54.670 --> 00:30:57.190
in my book who were first wave suffragists had

00:30:57.190 --> 00:31:01.200
degrees, had educations. The other one is like

00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:03.240
women weren't allowed to leave the house. They

00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:05.759
weren't allowed to, you know, sex out of wedlock

00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:07.859
or children out of wedlock. Oh, my gosh. It was

00:31:07.859 --> 00:31:10.440
so terrible. But most of the women in my book

00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:13.880
who were traveling the world promoting women's

00:31:13.880 --> 00:31:17.359
suffrage had children out of wedlock, had extramarital

00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:21.640
affairs or multiple sex partners or were even

00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:25.599
lesbians. Open lesbians touring the world, making

00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:28.259
money. Giving speeches, writing pamphlets and

00:31:28.259 --> 00:31:30.240
tracts, raising money for the suffrage movement.

00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:32.779
Nobody put them in jail. Nobody whipped them.

00:31:32.819 --> 00:31:37.200
Was there some stigma? Sure. But I don't think

00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:40.720
that you can argue that stigma against those

00:31:40.720 --> 00:31:44.309
sort of things equates to. oppression of women

00:31:44.309 --> 00:31:46.730
by the patriarchy. It's always framed that way,

00:31:46.789 --> 00:31:49.369
but that's not true. So what year did they pass

00:31:49.369 --> 00:31:51.670
the 19th Amendment? And the 19th Amendment is

00:31:51.670 --> 00:31:54.750
what gave women the right to vote, right? So

00:31:54.750 --> 00:31:56.789
there were women that said, I don't want the

00:31:56.789 --> 00:31:59.269
right to vote. Yes. In fact, when they... Why

00:31:59.269 --> 00:32:01.769
wouldn't you just want the right to vote, even

00:32:01.769 --> 00:32:04.470
keeping a traditional household, like the right

00:32:04.470 --> 00:32:07.910
to have a say if it's about the world, it's about

00:32:07.910 --> 00:32:09.950
the United States, it's about our laws and how

00:32:09.950 --> 00:32:12.420
we're going to govern? Yeah. So I'll tell you

00:32:12.420 --> 00:32:15.779
what their reasoning was. They said, we're going

00:32:15.779 --> 00:32:17.460
to lose a lot of the protection and provision

00:32:17.460 --> 00:32:20.140
that we currently enjoy. So, for example, in

00:32:20.140 --> 00:32:22.940
the state of New York in the 1800s, as a woman

00:32:22.940 --> 00:32:24.920
entering a marriage, if you had money, if you

00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:26.720
had an inheritance that came with you when you

00:32:26.720 --> 00:32:30.220
got married, if your husband cheated on you or

00:32:30.220 --> 00:32:33.759
left or divorced you, he couldn't take any of

00:32:33.759 --> 00:32:37.769
that. Your inheritance was protected from. you

00:32:37.769 --> 00:32:40.269
know, your husband leaving and taking it. And

00:32:40.269 --> 00:32:43.130
only men could be held responsible for debt.

00:32:43.890 --> 00:32:46.049
And there was something called breadwinner laws

00:32:46.049 --> 00:32:49.910
that the courts. It was like a systemic law.

00:32:50.009 --> 00:32:51.589
It wasn't like one specific law. It was like

00:32:51.589 --> 00:32:54.630
a whole legal framework that said, look, women

00:32:54.630 --> 00:32:57.210
have to raise kids and be pregnant and have babies.

00:32:57.430 --> 00:33:00.109
So we have to hold men responsible for financially

00:33:00.109 --> 00:33:03.410
taking care of women and children. So women couldn't

00:33:03.410 --> 00:33:05.049
be thrown into a debtor's prison. They couldn't

00:33:05.049 --> 00:33:07.529
be held legally liable for repaying a loan or

00:33:07.529 --> 00:33:09.650
anything like that. They could own property.

00:33:09.890 --> 00:33:11.809
People don't believe that either. People believe

00:33:11.809 --> 00:33:14.930
women couldn't own anything. And the reason they

00:33:14.930 --> 00:33:17.029
say that is because once you were married, you

00:33:17.029 --> 00:33:20.329
were considered one legal entity. But even then,

00:33:20.450 --> 00:33:23.630
a married man in the state of New York in 1800

00:33:23.630 --> 00:33:27.529
couldn't sell a property that was owned after

00:33:27.529 --> 00:33:29.990
he was married without his wife's written consent.

00:33:30.049 --> 00:33:32.470
And the court had to be assured that she was

00:33:32.470 --> 00:33:35.630
not being like coerced into it. So there were

00:33:35.630 --> 00:33:38.009
already like the anti -suffragists themselves

00:33:38.009 --> 00:33:41.700
argued, we kind of have everything we want. You

00:33:41.700 --> 00:33:45.279
know, we have like most of the benefits of this,

00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:47.440
you know, they didn't call it a patriarchy, but

00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:49.579
what we would call a patriarchy. They said, we're

00:33:49.579 --> 00:33:52.420
the primary beneficiaries of this system. We

00:33:52.420 --> 00:33:54.400
have a lot of protections. And if you make us

00:33:54.400 --> 00:33:56.279
equal, we're going to lose those. Like, what

00:33:56.279 --> 00:33:59.000
if we get drafted? What if we have to go do jury

00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:01.500
duty and hear like the gruesome details of like

00:34:01.500 --> 00:34:04.140
murders and rapes and things like that? It's

00:34:04.140 --> 00:34:06.880
going to pit the family. against each other.

00:34:06.980 --> 00:34:09.239
Just with the right to vote? Yeah, just with

00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:11.900
the right to vote. Why couldn't you keep all

00:34:11.900 --> 00:34:13.860
those things and just be able to participate?

00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:17.000
Well, unfortunately, they were right. So one

00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:19.159
really good example is the women's temperance

00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:22.519
movement. You guys remember Prohibition? That

00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:25.130
was primarily women. who pushed for prohibition.

00:34:25.130 --> 00:34:26.969
It was the Women's Temperance Union. It was like

00:34:26.969 --> 00:34:31.389
a Christian movement to ban alcohol. And women

00:34:31.389 --> 00:34:33.730
didn't have the right to vote, but they got prohibition

00:34:33.730 --> 00:34:35.909
passed, which was huge. Like it was one of those

00:34:35.909 --> 00:34:37.269
things that nobody thought was even going to

00:34:37.269 --> 00:34:40.210
happen. And it happened largely because of their

00:34:40.210 --> 00:34:43.449
political motivation and the reason. that it

00:34:43.449 --> 00:34:45.849
worked is because they could go to Congress or

00:34:45.849 --> 00:34:47.929
they could go to the Senate and say, we're not

00:34:47.929 --> 00:34:50.630
a political voting bloc. We have a moral high

00:34:50.630 --> 00:34:53.309
ground from which to ask for these things because

00:34:53.309 --> 00:34:56.010
you can't buy our vote. You can't, you know,

00:34:56.010 --> 00:35:01.329
like offer us things and kind of seduce us into

00:35:01.329 --> 00:35:03.730
voting for you based on promising us things that

00:35:03.730 --> 00:35:05.989
we want. And they didn't want to lose that because

00:35:05.989 --> 00:35:08.489
they felt like they had a lot of influence. And

00:35:08.489 --> 00:35:11.329
the things they predicted would happen, the anti

00:35:11.329 --> 00:35:14.010
-suffragists said, You're going to see a lot

00:35:14.010 --> 00:35:16.329
of divorce. You're going to see broken up families

00:35:16.329 --> 00:35:18.590
because it's going to pit husband and wife against

00:35:18.590 --> 00:35:20.329
each other, just like it did with my parents,

00:35:20.469 --> 00:35:22.309
where you've got, you know, mom wants to vote

00:35:22.309 --> 00:35:24.210
for the Democrat. Dad wants to vote for the Republican

00:35:24.210 --> 00:35:26.690
or vice versa. Now they're fighting about it.

00:35:27.090 --> 00:35:29.809
They want to split. They have separate worldviews

00:35:29.809 --> 00:35:32.610
and political interests will be used to drive

00:35:32.610 --> 00:35:35.449
a wedge between men and women and break up families.

00:35:35.690 --> 00:35:37.329
And then we're all going to be a bunch of single

00:35:37.329 --> 00:35:39.679
moms. We're all going to have to work like they

00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:41.780
they literally predicted this stuff. It's in

00:35:41.780 --> 00:35:44.880
one whole chapter of the book is dedicated to

00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:46.800
their arguments. How did they have such amazing

00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:50.480
foresight? I mean, I just would ignorantly I

00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:53.099
would think, OK, well, I think women should have

00:35:53.099 --> 00:35:54.500
the right to vote. They're human beings. They

00:35:54.500 --> 00:35:56.460
live here. There's there's laws that are being

00:35:56.460 --> 00:35:59.929
why would that? Well, I think. One of the problems

00:35:59.929 --> 00:36:02.309
we have when we look back at history is the fallacy

00:36:02.309 --> 00:36:04.510
of presentism. We're looking at it through like

00:36:04.510 --> 00:36:08.150
our eyes now with with all of the presuppositions

00:36:08.150 --> 00:36:10.090
that we have about the world kind of baked in.

00:36:10.230 --> 00:36:14.150
And at this time, so in 1920, people don't realize

00:36:14.150 --> 00:36:17.630
that men had only universally gotten the right

00:36:17.630 --> 00:36:20.170
to vote very shortly before women got it. So

00:36:20.170 --> 00:36:24.010
in the UK, most men couldn't vote until about

00:36:24.010 --> 00:36:26.550
10 years before women got the vote. In the UK,

00:36:26.650 --> 00:36:28.650
there was all kinds of restrictions on voting

00:36:28.650 --> 00:36:31.510
in the United States for men. You may have to

00:36:31.510 --> 00:36:34.610
pay a poll tax. You might have to take a test

00:36:34.610 --> 00:36:38.150
like a literacy test or a political literacy

00:36:38.150 --> 00:36:40.849
test. There might be a religious requirement

00:36:40.849 --> 00:36:43.679
of some kind. There might be a racial. requirement

00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:47.619
of some kind. There could be all different kinds

00:36:47.619 --> 00:36:49.239
of restrictions on men voting. You might have

00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:51.159
to be a property owner. You might have to be

00:36:51.159 --> 00:36:54.139
a certain age. So there was a lot of men. It

00:36:54.139 --> 00:36:57.519
wasn't like all men could always vote and no

00:36:57.519 --> 00:37:01.300
women could ever vote. And at the time of trying

00:37:01.300 --> 00:37:03.300
to pass suffrage, there were already a few states

00:37:03.300 --> 00:37:05.460
in the West that had granted women's suffrage

00:37:05.460 --> 00:37:09.639
like Utah and Wyoming. And Utah is a fun case

00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:12.079
because it was mostly settled by Mormons at the

00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:14.429
time. And they were mostly polygamists. And there

00:37:14.429 --> 00:37:17.050
was this big fight between the feds and the state

00:37:17.050 --> 00:37:19.110
of Utah because the feds did not. They were like,

00:37:19.130 --> 00:37:21.190
this polygamy thing is getting really popular

00:37:21.190 --> 00:37:23.050
out there and it's going to cause us some problems.

00:37:23.769 --> 00:37:26.269
And they want to give women the right to vote.

00:37:27.179 --> 00:37:29.119
The Mormons thought if we give women the right

00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:31.400
to vote, we can keep polygamy because they're

00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:32.960
going to vote for it because it's beneficial

00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:35.519
to them in whatever ways that the LDS church

00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:38.239
thought it was. The feds were betting on the

00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:40.380
fact that, nah, I think if we give women the

00:37:40.380 --> 00:37:41.699
right to vote, they're going to say no more of

00:37:41.699 --> 00:37:43.719
this polygamy. So let them have it. Just let

00:37:43.719 --> 00:37:46.699
them have it. Well, the feds lost the bet and

00:37:46.699 --> 00:37:49.860
the Mormon wives kept voting for the polygamy

00:37:49.860 --> 00:37:52.400
stuff. The feds didn't like it. So what they

00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:55.269
did, there was also a little bit of. Stuff going

00:37:55.269 --> 00:37:57.489
on with the finances of the LDS church that was

00:37:57.489 --> 00:38:00.809
a little sus. They passed an amendment or law

00:38:00.809 --> 00:38:05.329
through Congress in 1878, I think. I could be

00:38:05.329 --> 00:38:08.329
wrong on the date. To take away women's suffrage.

00:38:08.690 --> 00:38:10.730
They took the vote back from them. They said,

00:38:10.750 --> 00:38:12.530
no more voting for you. Can't do that. Because

00:38:12.530 --> 00:38:16.369
you're voting for polygamy. Yeah. And so women

00:38:16.369 --> 00:38:19.909
in Utah had suffrage granted and then had it

00:38:19.909 --> 00:38:23.650
removed for 50 years. It was from I think it

00:38:23.650 --> 00:38:27.389
was about 1870 to 1920 that they didn't have

00:38:27.389 --> 00:38:30.309
the right to vote. And the anti -suffragists,

00:38:30.329 --> 00:38:33.010
this was a big deal. So pro -suffrage women would

00:38:33.010 --> 00:38:35.050
go to Utah and anti -suffrage women would go

00:38:35.050 --> 00:38:36.690
to Utah and they'd talk to the women and try

00:38:36.690 --> 00:38:38.429
to because everyone's trying to get them on their

00:38:38.429 --> 00:38:41.909
side. And they kind of found that like women

00:38:41.909 --> 00:38:43.750
really didn't want to be involved in politics.

00:38:43.829 --> 00:38:46.739
They felt like. We have so much going on at home.

00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:48.699
They were the community organizers. We don't

00:38:48.699 --> 00:38:50.639
have this anymore, by the way. I'm taking care

00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:52.780
of my grandparents. I'm taking care of my uncle

00:38:52.780 --> 00:38:55.139
who, you know, has a disease and is infirmed.

00:38:55.179 --> 00:38:57.679
I've got seven kids and so does my cousin and

00:38:57.679 --> 00:38:59.559
so does my sister. And we all raise them kind

00:38:59.559 --> 00:39:02.300
of together. We're very busy. We're doing all

00:39:02.300 --> 00:39:04.920
the church stuff. We're teaching the kids together.

00:39:06.059 --> 00:39:08.380
Politics is just like you have to know so much

00:39:08.380 --> 00:39:10.500
about it and you have to be so informed and we

00:39:10.500 --> 00:39:12.960
just we don't have time and we really don't have

00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:14.880
interest. Most of them were really indifferent,

00:39:15.099 --> 00:39:18.139
but more were either indifferent or against it

00:39:18.139 --> 00:39:21.300
than were for it by such a margin. So this is

00:39:21.300 --> 00:39:23.679
the test. They let them vote on whether they

00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:26.340
wanted the vote in a huge the biggest referendum

00:39:26.340 --> 00:39:30.619
was in Massachusetts. So they let women vote

00:39:30.619 --> 00:39:32.780
on whether they wanted to vote in a referendum.

00:39:33.239 --> 00:39:35.320
Of the women that showed up, not a lot of them

00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:37.659
showed up. It was a fairly smallish number, but

00:39:37.659 --> 00:39:40.440
of the thousands that showed up to vote, only

00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:45.239
4 % wanted suffrage on the ballot. That's crazy.

00:39:45.619 --> 00:39:48.920
Only 4%. So guess what Elizabeth Cady Stanton

00:39:48.920 --> 00:39:51.159
and Susan B. Anthony did after that? All the

00:39:51.159 --> 00:39:54.940
pro -suffrage leaders, they banned women from

00:39:54.940 --> 00:39:59.840
voting. On whether they wanted to vote. Isn't

00:39:59.840 --> 00:40:03.480
that crazy? How did Susan B. Anthony get involved

00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:06.300
in all this? Because she was one of those people

00:40:06.300 --> 00:40:08.039
that was like, what was she on the $2 bill or

00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:10.219
something? Yeah. And she was one of those people

00:40:10.219 --> 00:40:12.360
that was always held up as this like amazing

00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:15.360
woman. And then I started listening to your book

00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:18.840
and I was like, wait, what? Yeah. A lot of these

00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:21.579
women like her and Elizabeth Cady Stanton were

00:40:21.579 --> 00:40:23.840
kind of the two big figureheads in America. There

00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:25.440
were a lot of other important people, but those

00:40:25.440 --> 00:40:27.460
are the two most people have heard of. They're

00:40:27.460 --> 00:40:30.219
the ones who wrote the history of women's suffrage,

00:40:30.219 --> 00:40:32.699
which is this giant like multi -volume history

00:40:32.699 --> 00:40:35.519
that they wrote. Now, they wrote it from a very

00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:37.820
biased perspective to make themselves the rock

00:40:37.820 --> 00:40:40.739
stars of this movement. They wanted to be remembered

00:40:40.739 --> 00:40:43.000
in the history books as being these awesome,

00:40:43.059 --> 00:40:45.820
badass. kind of revolutionary, strong, independent

00:40:45.820 --> 00:40:48.780
women. They, in fact, came up with the strong,

00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:51.920
independent women narrative that women were victims

00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:55.079
who needed to be unvictimized. They had other

00:40:55.079 --> 00:40:57.579
suffragists that they were trying to cut out

00:40:57.579 --> 00:40:59.380
of the history when they were putting together

00:40:59.380 --> 00:41:01.360
this history of women's suffrage. Lucy Stone

00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:03.860
was one that said, wait a minute, you guys are

00:41:03.860 --> 00:41:06.719
leaving out huge chunks of important information

00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:09.579
like the fact that our main support comes from

00:41:09.579 --> 00:41:15.219
men. Progressive men and socialist men and polygamist

00:41:15.219 --> 00:41:17.900
men. Like, why are you guys leaving this out?

00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:20.059
If you do it like everyone's going to know you

00:41:20.059 --> 00:41:23.500
just didn't mention any of that. Because at the

00:41:23.500 --> 00:41:25.820
time it was like super well known. They had a

00:41:25.820 --> 00:41:29.059
lot of PR problems in the suffrage movement because

00:41:29.059 --> 00:41:32.380
it was known as something that prostitutes, socialists,

00:41:32.420 --> 00:41:37.420
Marxists, polygamists and revolutionaries were

00:41:37.420 --> 00:41:39.920
into. And she was like, you can't leave that

00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:42.239
out. It's like a main point. Maybe you don't

00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:45.059
like how it portrays us, but you got to include

00:41:45.059 --> 00:41:48.059
it. So they like reluctantly did include some

00:41:48.059 --> 00:41:49.500
of that, but they were going to try to leave

00:41:49.500 --> 00:41:52.400
it out altogether and frame it as we know it

00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:56.079
now as a fight of women against men. This fight

00:41:56.079 --> 00:41:59.340
of oppressed women against the oppressive patriarchy

00:41:59.340 --> 00:42:01.659
that was systemically trying to keep a boot on

00:42:01.659 --> 00:42:04.380
women's necks. And even their own colleagues

00:42:04.380 --> 00:42:07.480
were like, that ain't how it. It's crazy that

00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:10.019
progressive men were a problem even back then.

00:42:10.900 --> 00:42:15.360
The simp problem is. Bitch ass men have always

00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:19.360
been a problem. They're a giant problem. And

00:42:19.360 --> 00:42:22.460
that's one thing that feminism does. It gives

00:42:22.460 --> 00:42:24.760
them a way to be like, I always call them like

00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:27.320
vampire familiars. Yes. They never really get

00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:29.159
to be a vampire, but they do all the deeds for

00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:31.460
the vampires and the vampire loves them. And

00:42:31.460 --> 00:42:33.880
they hang around the vampire. You know, it's

00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:36.579
the sneaky fucker mating strategy. Yes. Yes.

00:42:36.940 --> 00:42:39.880
What is that? Cuttlefish? Yeah. Yeah. Cuttlefish

00:42:39.880 --> 00:42:42.980
do that. Like sneaky bitch ass cuttlefish pretend

00:42:42.980 --> 00:42:45.320
they're female so they can hang around the females.

00:42:45.619 --> 00:42:48.059
Yep. And that's exactly what was happening. There

00:42:48.059 --> 00:42:51.440
were other motivations to like Victoria Woodhull

00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:53.300
was a famous feminist. She was the first one

00:42:53.300 --> 00:42:55.800
to have like a big newspaper. She was known as

00:42:55.800 --> 00:42:59.269
Mrs. Satan. Because she was into free love. She

00:42:59.269 --> 00:43:01.650
wanted to make prostitution legal. She said that

00:43:01.650 --> 00:43:04.590
marriage was just a legal form of prostitution.

00:43:04.670 --> 00:43:06.889
She saw it to be no different than regular old

00:43:06.889 --> 00:43:08.670
run -of -the -mill prostitution. She was like

00:43:08.670 --> 00:43:11.309
really radical. She was also a scam artist. Like

00:43:11.309 --> 00:43:13.829
the thing I found when I was looking into the

00:43:13.829 --> 00:43:15.550
histories of all these women, they were into

00:43:15.550 --> 00:43:18.670
the occult or very anti -Christian because they

00:43:18.670 --> 00:43:21.309
saw it as patriarchal and oppressive. They were

00:43:21.309 --> 00:43:24.489
usually con artists or scammers. So spiritualism

00:43:24.489 --> 00:43:28.309
and snake oil salesman was like really big and

00:43:28.309 --> 00:43:30.929
popular at the time. This lady sold fake cancer

00:43:30.929 --> 00:43:33.230
cures. She was wanted in like four different

00:43:33.230 --> 00:43:36.530
states for selling fake cancer cures to dying

00:43:36.530 --> 00:43:38.250
people and scamming them out of their money.

00:43:38.789 --> 00:43:41.829
And by pushing suffrage, she got a lot of people

00:43:41.829 --> 00:43:43.929
to fund her and give her money. And one of them

00:43:43.929 --> 00:43:47.710
was Cornelius Vanderbilt. And she would pretend

00:43:47.710 --> 00:43:50.090
to be able to contact the dead. She would say

00:43:50.090 --> 00:43:52.449
she could contact like ancient Greeks and and

00:43:52.449 --> 00:43:54.690
all these spirits like the spirit of Abraham

00:43:54.690 --> 00:43:56.730
Lincoln was coming to her in dreams and stuff.

00:43:57.050 --> 00:43:59.349
I don't think Cornelius believed that at all.

00:43:59.409 --> 00:44:02.090
But what he did know about her was that she did

00:44:02.090 --> 00:44:05.170
run a prostitution ring and all her friends were

00:44:05.170 --> 00:44:08.210
hookers who worked the Wall Street gentlemen.

00:44:08.869 --> 00:44:11.889
And so she basically had a spy network of prostitutes

00:44:11.889 --> 00:44:13.769
who would give her insider trading information.

00:44:15.449 --> 00:44:18.570
He used that to game the stock market on the

00:44:18.570 --> 00:44:20.769
first Black Friday. I think it was like 1889

00:44:20.769 --> 00:44:25.449
for today's equivalent of 26 million dollars,

00:44:25.610 --> 00:44:27.670
according to The New York Times. And when The

00:44:27.670 --> 00:44:29.349
New York Times interviewed him and said, how

00:44:29.349 --> 00:44:32.909
did you do? How did you come out? Twenty six

00:44:32.909 --> 00:44:35.389
million at the time was one point three. But

00:44:35.389 --> 00:44:38.530
today's money, 26 million. How did you pull this

00:44:38.530 --> 00:44:40.730
off when everybody else has just lost their ass?

00:44:40.750 --> 00:44:43.550
And he said, do as I do. Consult the spirits.

00:44:45.099 --> 00:44:47.619
So he said that this woman had contacted the

00:44:47.619 --> 00:44:51.059
dead and given him the tip that way. But it was

00:44:51.059 --> 00:44:54.260
really just she had a prostitution ring. So these

00:44:54.260 --> 00:44:58.239
were the people involved, OK? And this is what

00:44:58.239 --> 00:45:00.800
they were really doing. But when gender studies

00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:03.119
departments got a hold of this history, they're

00:45:03.119 --> 00:45:05.199
not going to tell you any of this. Their job

00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:08.900
was to become the PR branch in the universities

00:45:08.900 --> 00:45:13.280
to sell Marxism. And feminism to young women

00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:15.880
to revolutionize and radicalize. And they had

00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:19.019
help doing that from the CIA. Yeah. At the same

00:45:19.019 --> 00:45:20.639
time, because we were in the midst of a Cold

00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:25.119
War. And I'm not saying communism is good. I'm

00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:27.579
definitely not. But according to the CIA at the

00:45:27.579 --> 00:45:29.760
time, they were trying to push Western liberalism

00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:33.460
as being superior to. communism in Russia and

00:45:33.460 --> 00:45:36.440
the Eastern Bloc. So they thought feminism was

00:45:36.440 --> 00:45:39.360
good for that purpose. So they helped fund the

00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:43.179
beginning of Ms. Magazine. They granted scholarships.

00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:45.420
They made up like fake scholarships, one of which

00:45:45.420 --> 00:45:47.639
was given to Gloria Steinem, you know, and then

00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:50.420
they had her employed for years going around

00:45:50.420 --> 00:45:52.980
the world pushing feminism. So it was it was

00:45:52.980 --> 00:45:56.559
never that the average woman was like, I want

00:45:56.559 --> 00:45:59.300
to vote. I want to listen to political debates.

00:45:59.500 --> 00:46:02.659
I want to learn about economics and foreign policy.

00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:05.320
I'm really concerned about these things. And

00:46:05.320 --> 00:46:07.800
I want to know and I want to vote. Women were

00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:11.400
concerned about things like having clean drinking

00:46:11.400 --> 00:46:16.659
water, clean milk, safe parks, you know, less

00:46:16.659 --> 00:46:18.639
crime, all those sort of things. And one of the

00:46:18.639 --> 00:46:21.920
other things they predicted would happen, they

00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:24.199
said, if you give women the vote and you politicize

00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:27.980
us like this. It's not going to be about the

00:46:27.980 --> 00:46:29.860
welfare of our children and communities anymore.

00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:32.099
It's going to be about things like abortion and

00:46:32.099 --> 00:46:34.360
birth control. And what are the only women's

00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:37.760
issues that you ever hear about anymore in politics?

00:46:38.119 --> 00:46:41.760
The right to abortion and things like access

00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:43.860
to birth control, access to abortion. It's like

00:46:43.860 --> 00:46:46.699
the only thing you hear now. Where are all the

00:46:46.699 --> 00:46:49.679
women, even on the right, like fighting for the

00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:51.659
things they were fighting for 150 years ago?

00:46:51.739 --> 00:46:56.050
Nowhere. It's all about. You know, like even

00:46:56.050 --> 00:46:58.329
Trump, Trump frustrates me on this because he

00:46:58.329 --> 00:47:00.070
wants he's like, we got to have more programs

00:47:00.070 --> 00:47:01.989
to get all the moms back to work. And I'm like,

00:47:02.050 --> 00:47:05.429
why? Why do you want to do that? Why do you want

00:47:05.429 --> 00:47:07.750
to push all the moms back to work? That's a terrible

00:47:07.750 --> 00:47:10.949
idea. Why do you think he's saying that? He's

00:47:10.949 --> 00:47:13.030
a liberal and he's a feminist. He loves hiring

00:47:13.030 --> 00:47:15.599
women. It's probably his biggest Achilles heel

00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:17.579
if he would stop hiring women and get rid of

00:47:17.579 --> 00:47:20.900
a lot of his problems. But he loves hiring women,

00:47:20.960 --> 00:47:24.320
and he's a very pro -working woman. Like his

00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:25.900
first wife, one of the things he loved about

00:47:25.900 --> 00:47:28.920
her was she was very successful in business and

00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:32.099
things like that. Ivanka, same thing. And yes,

00:47:32.179 --> 00:47:34.199
they have kids, but they have nannies, and they

00:47:34.199 --> 00:47:37.320
have all the money in the world to support them

00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:39.039
while they're off doing this sort of thing. But

00:47:39.039 --> 00:47:42.179
what happens to the average woman? The promise

00:47:42.179 --> 00:47:43.820
of feminism looks something like you're going

00:47:43.820 --> 00:47:45.420
to have the corner office. It looks like sex

00:47:45.420 --> 00:47:46.679
in the city. You're going to have the corner

00:47:46.679 --> 00:47:50.880
office and you're going to be in Paris over brunch,

00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:54.099
having champagne and, you know, assigning the

00:47:54.099 --> 00:47:56.219
ink on the next deal. And you're going to be

00:47:56.219 --> 00:47:58.440
doing all this exciting boss babe stuff. And

00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:00.039
then you can also have a kid and, you know, the

00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:01.639
nanny will take care of the kid while you're

00:48:01.639 --> 00:48:03.860
doing all this important stuff at work. And it's

00:48:03.860 --> 00:48:06.420
just going to be amazing. The average woman like

00:48:06.420 --> 00:48:09.860
me ends up working a basic like I'm a retail

00:48:09.860 --> 00:48:13.679
manager. I'm a waitress. You know, I'm a school

00:48:13.679 --> 00:48:17.019
teacher. I work a nursing, a 12 hour nursing

00:48:17.019 --> 00:48:20.079
shift four nights a week. And I have to come

00:48:20.079 --> 00:48:21.900
home and take care of my kids and my family.

00:48:21.920 --> 00:48:25.280
And I feel like I can't do it all. It's too much.

00:48:26.019 --> 00:48:27.900
So a lot of women just aren't even having kids

00:48:27.900 --> 00:48:30.579
anymore. I'm sure you've looked at. birth rates.

00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:33.159
Yeah. It's kind of weird. It's weird that no

00:48:33.159 --> 00:48:34.880
one's talking about it. And there was always

00:48:34.880 --> 00:48:37.420
this narrative about overpopulation. Yes. And

00:48:37.420 --> 00:48:39.380
it's only been over the last decade or so that

00:48:39.380 --> 00:48:41.340
people start talking about population collapse

00:48:41.340 --> 00:48:44.840
and the catastrophic impacts of that, particularly

00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:47.739
on some foreign countries like South Korea, Japan.

00:48:48.280 --> 00:48:51.280
They do not have a replacement rate. Right. There

00:48:51.280 --> 00:48:55.230
won't be a South Korea. In the near future, if

00:48:55.230 --> 00:48:57.190
something radical doesn't happen over there.

00:48:57.469 --> 00:49:00.090
But this is there's a whole nother chapter in

00:49:00.090 --> 00:49:02.289
the book dedicated to this whole thing and where

00:49:02.289 --> 00:49:05.690
this came from. The Malthusian population agenda.

00:49:06.769 --> 00:49:09.449
Margaret Sanger gave me nightmares writing the

00:49:09.449 --> 00:49:11.309
chapter about her. I literally had nightmares

00:49:11.309 --> 00:49:15.230
about her because she was so evil. It's hard

00:49:15.230 --> 00:49:16.949
to everybody's heard what she said about black

00:49:16.949 --> 00:49:19.349
people by now. Most people have heard that. Oh,

00:49:19.510 --> 00:49:21.719
that they're. the lowest of the low and we just

00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:23.400
need to get rid of them, that it would be best

00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:25.760
for humanity if we could just convince all of

00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:28.039
the lower races to just stop breeding. So they

00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:31.420
planned parenthood on purpose, focused on African

00:49:31.420 --> 00:49:34.940
-American and indigenous communities and poor

00:49:34.940 --> 00:49:39.320
whites, too. But she was part of the Rockefeller

00:49:39.320 --> 00:49:41.980
Bureau for Social Hygiene. It was a eugenics

00:49:41.980 --> 00:49:44.789
program. And Planned Parenthood was a eugenics

00:49:44.789 --> 00:49:48.769
program. And she was so antinatalist. You can

00:49:48.769 --> 00:49:50.969
find clips of her on the Internet now where they

00:49:50.969 --> 00:49:52.769
would interview her on the radio and she'd say,

00:49:52.789 --> 00:49:54.829
if it were up to me, nobody would ever have babies

00:49:54.829 --> 00:49:58.269
anymore. We just would stop having them because

00:49:58.269 --> 00:50:01.150
life is terrible and life is hard and it's suffering.

00:50:01.530 --> 00:50:03.630
And bringing children in the world is a terrible

00:50:03.630 --> 00:50:05.929
thing, especially, she said, the most, this is

00:50:05.929 --> 00:50:09.639
a famous quote of hers, the most. Kind thing

00:50:09.639 --> 00:50:12.159
a large family can do to one of its young members

00:50:12.159 --> 00:50:17.219
is to kill it. And her whole her whole shtick

00:50:17.219 --> 00:50:19.940
was sold on lies. She told lies about her mother.

00:50:20.039 --> 00:50:23.159
She said that her mother died from overbreeding,

00:50:23.179 --> 00:50:25.800
that she had so many children. It just it just

00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:28.420
destroyed her body and she died. Not true. Her

00:50:28.420 --> 00:50:31.619
mom had tuberculosis and died from tuberculosis

00:50:31.619 --> 00:50:34.670
like half of. everyone back then. So she lied

00:50:34.670 --> 00:50:36.869
about that. She told a fake story about a woman

00:50:36.869 --> 00:50:39.469
named Sadie Sachs who didn't know how she kept

00:50:39.469 --> 00:50:41.530
getting pregnant and the doctor refused to tell

00:50:41.530 --> 00:50:44.849
her because the bad male doctors just wanted

00:50:44.849 --> 00:50:46.650
the women to just keep having babies so they

00:50:46.650 --> 00:50:49.309
refused to tell them how that worked. Which I

00:50:49.309 --> 00:50:50.750
went and asked my grandma. I'm like, grandma,

00:50:50.809 --> 00:50:53.010
you were around like in this exact time period.

00:50:53.409 --> 00:50:55.550
Did you and your mom like not know how babies

00:50:55.550 --> 00:50:56.949
were made? She was like, what are you talking

00:50:56.949 --> 00:50:58.909
about? Of course we knew that. In fact, she said

00:50:58.909 --> 00:51:01.469
after my sister was born, her younger sister

00:51:01.469 --> 00:51:03.650
was the fourth kid in the family. The doctor

00:51:03.650 --> 00:51:06.829
told my parents like, you guys need to be careful,

00:51:06.949 --> 00:51:09.849
like time things and like try it because it's,

00:51:09.849 --> 00:51:11.989
you know, she had some health problems. He's

00:51:11.989 --> 00:51:13.690
like, another baby might be risky. So if you

00:51:13.690 --> 00:51:15.849
want to avoid that, here's how you avoid that.

00:51:15.989 --> 00:51:19.230
She's like, of course we knew. People have known

00:51:19.230 --> 00:51:22.489
that since the beginning of time. Of course they

00:51:22.489 --> 00:51:25.909
have. But she wrote a whole book that purported

00:51:25.909 --> 00:51:28.989
to have thousands of letters from women around

00:51:28.989 --> 00:51:31.269
the world writing to Margaret Sanger saying.

00:51:32.219 --> 00:51:35.679
I'm only 23 and I'm on my 14th baby. I'm not

00:51:35.679 --> 00:51:38.500
kidding. She would. The numbers were insane.

00:51:38.699 --> 00:51:41.079
She was alleging that there were 23 year olds

00:51:41.079 --> 00:51:44.300
who were on like their 11th pregnancy and dying

00:51:44.300 --> 00:51:47.699
from overbirth and that they just didn't know

00:51:47.699 --> 00:51:49.860
how to stop it. And so she was like, this is

00:51:49.860 --> 00:51:53.699
why we need abortion clinics is for this reason.

00:51:54.269 --> 00:51:56.369
Now, I looked into this because there's something

00:51:56.369 --> 00:51:58.989
called the Margaret Sanger Papers Project. They

00:51:58.989 --> 00:52:01.050
have everything she's ever done. If she wiped

00:52:01.050 --> 00:52:04.250
her mouth on a napkin, they've got that in the

00:52:04.250 --> 00:52:06.789
archives. They have everything. Do you think

00:52:06.789 --> 00:52:08.750
out of the thousands of letters she said that

00:52:08.750 --> 00:52:11.469
she got from women saying, I just can't stop

00:52:11.469 --> 00:52:13.429
having all these babies and it's killing me and

00:52:13.429 --> 00:52:15.590
I'm miserable. How many do you think are preserved

00:52:15.590 --> 00:52:18.829
in the Margaret Sanger Papers Project? How many?

00:52:19.369 --> 00:52:22.940
Zero? Three. Three? Three. Out of thousands.

00:52:23.079 --> 00:52:27.500
And I emailed them directly and I asked, seems

00:52:27.500 --> 00:52:30.239
weird. You guys have like literally letters that

00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:32.059
she wrote to her friends. You have like all this

00:52:32.059 --> 00:52:34.239
documentation on everything she ever did. Certainly

00:52:34.239 --> 00:52:36.670
if she was getting thousands of letters. You've

00:52:36.670 --> 00:52:39.090
got more than three. And they said, well, we

00:52:39.090 --> 00:52:42.190
think it was mostly lost to time or she sent

00:52:42.190 --> 00:52:45.489
them to abortion doctors to encourage them to

00:52:45.489 --> 00:52:47.570
keep going because, you know, people didn't like

00:52:47.570 --> 00:52:49.789
abortion doctors. So we think she sent it to

00:52:49.789 --> 00:52:52.070
a lot of abortion doctors to like, you know,

00:52:52.090 --> 00:52:55.170
give them a pep talk. And yeah, we just don't

00:52:55.170 --> 00:52:58.500
really know. It's just lost to time. So you think

00:52:58.500 --> 00:53:00.940
she made a lot of it up? Oh, yes, yes. Especially

00:53:00.940 --> 00:53:03.079
because if you read the book, nobody reads this

00:53:03.079 --> 00:53:05.820
crap, you know, except me. I'm crazy. Nobody

00:53:05.820 --> 00:53:07.820
else wants to read all of their horrible writing.

00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:10.380
But in the book, if you're reading these letters,

00:53:10.519 --> 00:53:12.320
they sound literally like they're all written

00:53:12.320 --> 00:53:16.980
by the same person. So it's extremely dubious

00:53:16.980 --> 00:53:20.099
at best. I would love if, hey, if the Margaret

00:53:20.099 --> 00:53:23.139
Sanger Papers Project folks want to come and

00:53:23.139 --> 00:53:24.760
tell me like where all these are, if there's

00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:26.719
any proof of this, I would love to see it because

00:53:26.719 --> 00:53:28.639
I looked for two and a half years and couldn't

00:53:28.639 --> 00:53:33.000
find anything. In fact, the most popular Sanger

00:53:33.000 --> 00:53:35.039
biographer in the world who like knows everything

00:53:35.039 --> 00:53:38.239
about her admits that she lied about tons of

00:53:38.239 --> 00:53:40.059
stuff. She's like, oh, she lied about the Sadie

00:53:40.059 --> 00:53:42.019
Sacks story. She lied about why her mother really

00:53:42.019 --> 00:53:44.539
died. And she probably lied about, you know,

00:53:44.559 --> 00:53:48.139
those other stories and letters, too. But she

00:53:48.139 --> 00:53:51.139
believed it was for a noble cause. She thought

00:53:51.139 --> 00:53:53.360
what she was doing was good. And the other big

00:53:53.360 --> 00:53:55.340
secret is she was getting a lot of money. She

00:53:55.340 --> 00:53:58.019
was getting paid by the Rockefeller Foundation

00:53:58.019 --> 00:54:00.599
and promoted by people like H .G. Wells, who

00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:03.360
she was also having an affair with. They're all

00:54:03.360 --> 00:54:05.460
a bunch of creepers, Joe, I'm telling you. She

00:54:05.460 --> 00:54:13.139
was married and had three kids. She left her

00:54:13.139 --> 00:54:16.760
kids in like hippie bohemian communities. One

00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:19.559
of them died from neglect in one of these communities.

00:54:20.780 --> 00:54:22.420
Didn't care about her kids at all. In fact, one

00:54:22.420 --> 00:54:25.400
of her sons grew up and said, my sister would

00:54:25.400 --> 00:54:28.019
not be dead if my mother gave any shits about

00:54:28.019 --> 00:54:30.119
us whatsoever. But she didn't. She was anywhere

00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:33.099
except where we were. Any excuse to leave. She

00:54:33.099 --> 00:54:36.019
let her ex -husband take the rap for her distributing

00:54:36.019 --> 00:54:41.000
illegal stuff about abortion and birth control.

00:54:41.219 --> 00:54:43.800
The Comstock laws didn't allow that back then.

00:54:44.139 --> 00:54:46.900
So she was wanted in court and was going to be

00:54:46.900 --> 00:54:48.559
put in jail for distributing that stuff. She

00:54:48.559 --> 00:54:50.340
let her husband take the fall for it while she

00:54:50.340 --> 00:54:52.280
went to England and had affairs with people like

00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:54.599
H .G. Wells and Havelock Ellis. And they were

00:54:54.599 --> 00:54:58.340
all bisexual and they were all occultists and

00:54:58.340 --> 00:55:02.340
doing all this crazy stuff. H .G. Walls called

00:55:02.340 --> 00:55:04.719
her the most incredible woman ever to live and

00:55:04.719 --> 00:55:07.400
said that she was going to have more impact on

00:55:07.400 --> 00:55:09.559
the future of humanity than any other person.

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you think he thought that? Because he was a eugenicist

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who loved the idea of millions of abortions a

00:56:31.949 --> 00:56:34.349
year. H .G. Wells, the War of the Worlds guy,

00:56:34.449 --> 00:56:37.929
was a eugenicist. You should have Jay Dyer on

00:56:37.929 --> 00:56:39.849
to tell you about H .G. Wells. I brought you

00:56:39.849 --> 00:56:42.530
his book. I don't want to know. I love the War

00:56:42.530 --> 00:56:45.849
of the Worlds. He wrote some great fiction, but

00:56:45.849 --> 00:56:49.210
he was a diehard Malthusian. These people really

00:56:49.210 --> 00:56:51.190
believed. It was actually a very popular thing

00:56:51.190 --> 00:56:53.710
that we're talking like right after Darwinism.

00:56:53.949 --> 00:56:56.789
We're talking about just before the Nazis. We're

00:56:56.789 --> 00:56:58.389
talking about the Kaiser Wilhelm Foundation.

00:56:59.489 --> 00:57:03.079
It was a very popular position to be a. In favor

00:57:03.079 --> 00:57:05.780
of social hygiene, as they called it, which was,

00:57:05.780 --> 00:57:07.900
you know, anybody with birth defects shouldn't

00:57:07.900 --> 00:57:10.519
be able to reproduce. Anybody of the lower races

00:57:10.519 --> 00:57:14.239
or inferior mentally, any of those kind of people

00:57:14.239 --> 00:57:16.780
shouldn't reproduce because we want, you know,

00:57:16.800 --> 00:57:20.559
a cleaner, better human race going forward. Yeah.

00:57:21.320 --> 00:57:23.900
So feminism was instrumental in that. That's

00:57:23.900 --> 00:57:25.679
actually where the birth control pill came from

00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:29.380
as well. Margaret Sanger, the Rockefeller Foundation,

00:57:29.719 --> 00:57:32.380
the Kaiser Wilhelm Foundation, and a lot of Nazi

00:57:32.380 --> 00:57:34.579
scientists are the ones who started synthesizing

00:57:34.579 --> 00:57:38.239
human hormones to make birth control pills. And

00:57:38.239 --> 00:57:40.860
the way they sold that was they said, look, we

00:57:40.860 --> 00:57:42.719
know abortion is very unpopular. People don't

00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:44.760
like it. It's a very terrible thing that we have

00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:46.559
to do. We have to do it because we don't want

00:57:46.559 --> 00:57:50.360
all these babies. But, you know, if you let us

00:57:50.360 --> 00:57:52.679
have the birth control pill and you make it like

00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:56.119
widely available and socially acceptable. Abortion

00:57:56.119 --> 00:57:58.960
will be a thing of the past. Nobody will need

00:57:58.960 --> 00:58:01.139
one ever again. That's how it was marketed and

00:58:01.139 --> 00:58:04.099
sold to the world. And it sounds right. It sounds

00:58:04.099 --> 00:58:07.000
reasonable. Maybe it's better. Maybe it's better

00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:08.599
just to prevent all the pregnancies and then

00:58:08.599 --> 00:58:10.880
we don't have to worry about abortions. But here

00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:15.880
we are in 2026. You can get birth control pills

00:58:15.880 --> 00:58:19.840
for $4 at Walmart. You can go down to your local

00:58:19.840 --> 00:58:22.079
health department in your county and get them

00:58:22.079 --> 00:58:24.690
for free if you're under a certain... income

00:58:24.690 --> 00:58:27.929
status. And we still have, well, at least before

00:58:27.929 --> 00:58:29.710
they overturned Roe v. Wade, we still had about

00:58:29.710 --> 00:58:31.570
a million abortions a year in this country, even

00:58:31.570 --> 00:58:34.690
with the shot and the pill and all these types

00:58:34.690 --> 00:58:37.610
of birth control and more education than we've

00:58:37.610 --> 00:58:39.630
ever had. That was the other thing when I was

00:58:39.630 --> 00:58:41.849
in school, right? More sex ed, more sex ed, and

00:58:41.849 --> 00:58:45.289
then no more teen pregnancies. That hasn't panned

00:58:45.289 --> 00:58:47.730
out whatsoever. It turns out that if you take

00:58:47.730 --> 00:58:50.269
all the stigma away from sexual activity, you

00:58:50.269 --> 00:58:52.389
tell everybody premarital sex is actually good.

00:58:52.469 --> 00:58:54.449
You've got to get in there and figure out how

00:58:54.449 --> 00:58:56.150
things work before you get married. You don't

00:58:56.150 --> 00:58:59.650
want to just get married. That's weird. We still

00:58:59.650 --> 00:59:02.289
have a million abortions a year. We still have

00:59:02.289 --> 00:59:06.969
Plan B pills and things like this. There's been

00:59:06.969 --> 00:59:09.949
more babies aborted in the last century than

00:59:09.949 --> 00:59:12.210
all the men that have been killed in all the

00:59:12.210 --> 00:59:15.730
wars. Of the 20th century. Like far and away.

00:59:16.150 --> 00:59:24.010
Oof. Yeah. It's crazy. The Glorious Dynam CIA

00:59:24.010 --> 00:59:27.989
thing is nuts. Yeah. That's nuts. Yeah. Because

00:59:27.989 --> 00:59:30.750
the real tinfoil hat people want to think that

00:59:30.750 --> 00:59:33.570
the CIA has been involved in every single social

00:59:33.570 --> 00:59:36.070
aspect, including like the rock and roll movement

00:59:36.070 --> 00:59:38.690
of the 1960s. And there seems to be some evidence.

00:59:39.820 --> 00:59:44.400
And when you see like how far the tentacles actually

00:59:44.400 --> 00:59:48.599
go and then you see it like in feminism, you

00:59:48.599 --> 00:59:53.360
go, wait, what was she was what? Yeah. So explain.

00:59:53.760 --> 00:59:56.840
So Gloria Steinem was recruited out of Smith

00:59:56.840 --> 01:00:00.960
College in the 50s as all women's college. She

01:00:00.960 --> 01:00:03.900
already had some pretty like left progressive

01:00:03.900 --> 01:00:07.639
kind of feminist. And this is generally how this

01:00:07.639 --> 01:00:09.940
works. If you want to know how the left has taken

01:00:09.940 --> 01:00:11.940
over academia, I have a whole paper about this

01:00:11.940 --> 01:00:15.800
on my sub stack, how NGOs and universities have

01:00:15.800 --> 01:00:18.880
just swung completely left and they have just

01:00:18.880 --> 01:00:22.610
captured the university systems. They do it this

01:00:22.610 --> 01:00:24.949
way. So they recruit her out of Smith College.

01:00:25.070 --> 01:00:26.889
You know, she's writing papers about women's

01:00:26.889 --> 01:00:29.510
rights and feminism and stuff like that. And

01:00:29.510 --> 01:00:31.949
they go, she's pretty good at this. So they approach

01:00:31.949 --> 01:00:34.469
her and they say, we're willing to offer you

01:00:34.469 --> 01:00:36.730
something called the Chester Bowles Fellowship.

01:00:37.170 --> 01:00:38.690
And she goes, what's that? And they're like,

01:00:38.750 --> 01:00:40.050
well, it doesn't really exist. We made it up

01:00:40.050 --> 01:00:42.250
for you. Because what we're going to do is we're

01:00:42.250 --> 01:00:43.869
going to give you this fellowship. We're going

01:00:43.869 --> 01:00:46.190
to send you to India. We're going to send you

01:00:46.190 --> 01:00:47.889
to Europe. We're going to have you tour the whole

01:00:47.889 --> 01:00:50.429
United States, do a media tour, start a magazine.

01:00:51.150 --> 01:00:53.110
To promote women's rights, the things that you

01:00:53.110 --> 01:00:55.929
believe in. So it's a little more sneaky than

01:00:55.929 --> 01:00:58.449
everybody sitting in a dark back room and like

01:00:58.449 --> 01:01:02.710
plotting some evil plan to like make America

01:01:02.710 --> 01:01:05.469
into a feminist hellhole. It was more like we're

01:01:05.469 --> 01:01:07.570
trying to promote liberal democracy around the

01:01:07.570 --> 01:01:10.289
world because it's part of the Cold War. You're

01:01:10.289 --> 01:01:12.989
really good at this feminism stuff. And if we

01:01:12.989 --> 01:01:14.989
can get a lot of women voting and if we can get

01:01:14.989 --> 01:01:17.349
them into universities and mobilize them as a

01:01:17.349 --> 01:01:20.599
political. group, just similar to what they did

01:01:20.599 --> 01:01:23.820
with black people. Convince blacks that you're

01:01:23.820 --> 01:01:27.800
all oppressed, you're all victims, and radicalize

01:01:27.800 --> 01:01:29.760
them and make them permanent Democrat voters.

01:01:30.039 --> 01:01:32.760
Same thing that they did with feminism. So they

01:01:32.760 --> 01:01:35.000
sent her to India where she worked for the Ford

01:01:35.000 --> 01:01:37.059
Foundation. Again, the same people who created

01:01:37.059 --> 01:01:40.840
gender studies. Learned a lot of interesting

01:01:40.840 --> 01:01:43.039
things over there in India. Not sure what's going

01:01:43.039 --> 01:01:45.460
on in there. I said in my book, it's like a hotbed

01:01:45.460 --> 01:01:49.929
of like theosophy and like crazy, like the Dalai

01:01:49.929 --> 01:01:51.730
Lama. And there's a lot of weird stuff going

01:01:51.730 --> 01:01:53.670
on in India. I don't know why they send everybody

01:01:53.670 --> 01:01:55.789
there. And then when they leave India, they go

01:01:55.789 --> 01:01:59.349
and promote this weird stuff. It's what they

01:01:59.349 --> 01:02:02.130
do. So they sent her to like Eastern Europe to

01:02:02.130 --> 01:02:04.130
a youth festival where she promoted feminism.

01:02:04.190 --> 01:02:06.989
And this is at the time where the Eastern Bloc

01:02:06.989 --> 01:02:09.289
is still communist and it's hard to get in there.

01:02:09.409 --> 01:02:12.510
But as a woman. This is something traditionally

01:02:12.510 --> 01:02:14.269
they always do with women. It's very easy to

01:02:14.269 --> 01:02:18.269
sneak female spies or propagandists in rather

01:02:18.269 --> 01:02:21.110
than men because they're less suspicious. It's

01:02:21.110 --> 01:02:22.590
like, oh, she just wants to promote education

01:02:22.590 --> 01:02:24.789
for women. And they're like, fine, she can come,

01:02:24.849 --> 01:02:27.489
I guess, whatever. So she's promoting feminism

01:02:27.489 --> 01:02:29.969
there. Then she comes here. She's undercover

01:02:29.969 --> 01:02:32.929
at the Playboy Mansion, weirdly. Undercover?

01:02:33.110 --> 01:02:35.949
Yeah. People didn't know she was CIA at this

01:02:35.949 --> 01:02:38.309
point. She was like a Playboy bunny for a little

01:02:38.309 --> 01:02:41.110
while. What? Yeah. She was at the Hugh Hefner

01:02:41.110 --> 01:02:43.949
mansion. Undercover as a Playboy bunny? Yeah.

01:02:44.289 --> 01:02:47.989
That's hilarious. Yeah. She was kind of hot for

01:02:47.989 --> 01:02:51.150
like back in the day in the 70s, late 60s. She

01:02:51.150 --> 01:02:53.389
was kind of hot. Well, compared to the other

01:02:53.389 --> 01:02:54.909
feminists we had to choose from. Who else did

01:02:54.909 --> 01:02:57.900
we have? Betty Friedan. I don't know if you've

01:02:57.900 --> 01:03:00.079
ever seen her. Is there any photos of Gloria

01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:02.800
Steinem at the mansion? Yeah, there's a picture

01:03:02.800 --> 01:03:04.559
of her in the bunny costume. Oh, we've got to

01:03:04.559 --> 01:03:09.599
see that. Yeah, maybe Jamie can pull it up. Yeah,

01:03:10.320 --> 01:03:12.940
so, and that was to promote the sexual liberation

01:03:12.940 --> 01:03:24.579
stuff, right? For the CIA. Yeah. Undercover Playboy

01:03:24.579 --> 01:03:28.960
Bunny. It's an HBO original. Wow, there's a documentary

01:03:28.960 --> 01:03:31.300
on it. That's crazy. I wonder how they frame

01:03:31.300 --> 01:03:38.460
it. Exploiting women and low wages. Let me see

01:03:38.460 --> 01:03:41.900
the photos of her down there. Where? Below, where

01:03:41.900 --> 01:03:43.760
it says images. Click on one of those where it's

01:03:43.760 --> 01:03:49.019
her. Yeah, she's pretty. Yeah, good enough. That's

01:03:49.019 --> 01:03:51.219
on her? That's Christy Alley. Yeah. Oh. Is that

01:03:51.219 --> 01:03:53.500
Christy Alley playing her? Must be. Oh, yeah.

01:03:53.619 --> 01:03:58.000
She played her. For what year was that? 1985.

01:03:58.639 --> 01:04:02.000
Wow. That's crazy. But she did come out in her

01:04:02.000 --> 01:04:05.039
memoirs and talk about it. Interesting. And she

01:04:05.039 --> 01:04:06.440
also talked about - But did she talk about that

01:04:06.440 --> 01:04:08.900
she was working for the CIA? Yes. So she started

01:04:08.900 --> 01:04:11.699
Ms. Magazine with CIA funding. She was working

01:04:11.699 --> 01:04:14.239
with Clay Felker and a couple of other - Is that

01:04:14.239 --> 01:04:17.769
her? No, that's not her either. She was okay.

01:04:17.929 --> 01:04:20.250
I mean, it was nothing thrilling. But it was

01:04:20.250 --> 01:04:22.739
good enough to... to get her in there. And like

01:04:22.739 --> 01:04:25.360
I said, her and Betty Friedan had like this rivalry,

01:04:25.579 --> 01:04:28.039
this vicious rivalry in the press because Friedan

01:04:28.039 --> 01:04:30.320
was a Marxist. There's always been this battle

01:04:30.320 --> 01:04:33.940
between like the liberal capitalist type of feminists

01:04:33.940 --> 01:04:36.860
and the Marxist type of feminists. And Betty

01:04:36.860 --> 01:04:38.760
Friedan was not attractive. She was very frumpy.

01:04:38.860 --> 01:04:42.099
She was older. And the press loved Steinem because

01:04:42.099 --> 01:04:44.460
she was like stylish and cool. She had like highlights

01:04:44.460 --> 01:04:47.300
in her hair and she was kind of a hippie. So

01:04:47.300 --> 01:04:49.699
she got all the press and she started Ms. Magazine,

01:04:49.900 --> 01:04:52.380
which there's a whole... bunch on that in my

01:04:52.380 --> 01:04:55.719
book as well but yeah it was like it was part

01:04:55.719 --> 01:04:58.840
of the cold war it was part of pushing like the

01:04:58.840 --> 01:05:03.599
liberal democracy stuff to contrast it against

01:05:03.599 --> 01:05:07.360
like the communist eastern bloc at the time and

01:05:07.360 --> 01:05:10.980
it was very useful there's extensive writing

01:05:10.980 --> 01:05:13.599
from so many people in this movement about how

01:05:13.599 --> 01:05:17.559
hey if you can get women young women into universities,

01:05:17.940 --> 01:05:20.460
they're very easy to propagandize. They're very

01:05:20.460 --> 01:05:23.340
easy to program with whatever worldview you want

01:05:23.340 --> 01:05:26.260
to give them. And if you want to make them into

01:05:26.260 --> 01:05:28.599
revolutionaries, they make excellent revolutionaries.

01:05:28.619 --> 01:05:32.559
This is why right now you see women in Minnesota

01:05:32.559 --> 01:05:36.639
and Portland and L .A. going up to ICE agents

01:05:36.639 --> 01:05:38.920
and getting in their face and calling them names

01:05:38.920 --> 01:05:41.679
and, you know, you got a small dick, little man,

01:05:41.760 --> 01:05:43.420
you think you're tough shit. If you're wondering

01:05:43.420 --> 01:05:46.219
why, why is it women? Why are women trying to,

01:05:46.239 --> 01:05:49.059
like, fight ICE agents in the streets? It's because

01:05:49.059 --> 01:05:51.320
we send them all to college. They get indoctrinated

01:05:51.320 --> 01:05:54.840
with this Marxist feminist worldview that masculinity

01:05:54.840 --> 01:05:58.199
is toxic and bad, that men are inherently violent.

01:05:58.679 --> 01:06:01.900
And oppressive. And women are inherently like

01:06:01.900 --> 01:06:05.059
mother nature earth types who bring goodness

01:06:05.059 --> 01:06:07.719
and fairness into the world, make sure everyone

01:06:07.719 --> 01:06:11.099
has enough to eat. This is the like false dialectic

01:06:11.099 --> 01:06:14.760
that everyone gets taught. So they see what these

01:06:14.760 --> 01:06:17.260
women see when they see ICE arresting, even if

01:06:17.260 --> 01:06:20.920
it's a sex criminal who has warrants. They don't

01:06:20.920 --> 01:06:23.019
care. They see him as a sweet, innocent victim

01:06:23.019 --> 01:06:26.460
of the evil white patriarchy, that these are

01:06:26.460 --> 01:06:28.800
fascist Nazis coming to arrest the beautiful

01:06:28.800 --> 01:06:31.159
baby immigrants who are helpless and need protection

01:06:31.159 --> 01:06:33.940
from mommy. So they weaponize that. Did you see

01:06:33.940 --> 01:06:37.699
there's a video of this guy going up to people

01:06:37.699 --> 01:06:41.500
to try to get people that ICE has deported brought

01:06:41.500 --> 01:06:43.719
back into the country? Have you seen this video?

01:06:43.960 --> 01:06:45.739
No. Let me send it to you, Jamie, because it's

01:06:45.739 --> 01:06:49.460
quite funny because he's explaining how one of

01:06:49.460 --> 01:06:51.769
them. the one who wants to get back in the country

01:06:51.769 --> 01:06:54.670
has committed five murders but he thinks he needs

01:06:54.670 --> 01:06:57.409
a second chance and they're 100 % agreeing with

01:06:57.409 --> 01:07:00.130
him it's like it's one of the funniest things

01:07:00.130 --> 01:07:04.449
it's like you just you see how fucking kooky

01:07:04.449 --> 01:07:07.750
people are with this stuff that it's not like

01:07:07.750 --> 01:07:11.440
oh wow he's a bad person it's like No. In their

01:07:11.440 --> 01:07:15.219
little tiny blinder -sided ideological bubble,

01:07:15.500 --> 01:07:18.079
anybody that gets deported should be brought

01:07:18.079 --> 01:07:20.840
in. ICE is bad. Immigrants are good. Yeah. And

01:07:20.840 --> 01:07:23.440
without any regard whatsoever to the consequences

01:07:23.440 --> 01:07:25.800
of bringing over murderers and rapists and drug

01:07:25.800 --> 01:07:27.500
dealers and gang members. Put your headphones

01:07:27.500 --> 01:07:32.360
on real quick because this is kooky. Bring back

01:07:32.360 --> 01:07:34.780
illegal immigrants who were deported by ICE.

01:07:34.940 --> 01:07:36.519
We're with the Bring Them Back campaign. Could

01:07:36.519 --> 01:07:38.260
we get your signature for our petition? We just

01:07:38.260 --> 01:07:40.380
need your name and email address. Specifically,

01:07:40.400 --> 01:07:43.199
we're trying to bring back Edwin Hernandez from

01:07:43.199 --> 01:07:46.119
El Salvador. Yeah. We do have to disclose to

01:07:46.119 --> 01:07:48.000
you, though, that he is an admitted member of

01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:51.139
MS -13, and he did kill five people back in El

01:07:51.139 --> 01:07:54.519
Salvador, but we think he deserves a second chance,

01:07:54.559 --> 01:07:56.719
and we want to get him back. That's him right

01:07:56.719 --> 01:08:00.440
there. What do you guys think about what's going

01:08:00.440 --> 01:08:04.389
on with ICE? in this country? Oh, it's appalling,

01:08:04.550 --> 01:08:07.070
I guess. Maybe not even a strong enough word.

01:08:07.769 --> 01:08:10.469
Yeah, we're from Maine. There's been a lot of

01:08:10.469 --> 01:08:12.769
ICE activity in Maine. Up in Portland, right?

01:08:12.809 --> 01:08:16.369
Yeah, up in Portland. That's where we live. I'm

01:08:16.369 --> 01:08:20.430
a teacher and there were lots of students that

01:08:20.430 --> 01:08:22.510
were afraid to come to school. Thank you so much.

01:08:22.810 --> 01:08:25.630
Hopefully we can get Edwin Hernandez back so

01:08:25.630 --> 01:08:27.750
he doesn't have to be criminally convicted in

01:08:27.750 --> 01:08:30.729
El Salvador, right? Thank you so much. Thank

01:08:30.729 --> 01:08:34.600
you. Good work. Good work. Good work. Bring that

01:08:34.600 --> 01:08:37.760
murderer back. Eloise, MS -13 gang member who's

01:08:37.760 --> 01:08:39.979
killed five people? Yeah, bring them back. She's

01:08:39.979 --> 01:08:44.279
the perfect example. She's a schoolteacher. What

01:08:44.279 --> 01:08:46.300
schoolteacher do you know who's not liberal?

01:08:46.819 --> 01:08:50.979
Very few. Very few. And most of K -12 is female

01:08:50.979 --> 01:08:52.420
teachers. By the time you get to high school,

01:08:52.460 --> 01:08:54.000
there's a few more, but I think it's like 80

01:08:54.000 --> 01:08:57.180
-90 % of schoolteachers are women. So they go.

01:08:57.689 --> 01:08:59.930
to university they go for education and they

01:08:59.930 --> 01:09:02.489
almost inevitably end up getting some kind of

01:09:02.489 --> 01:09:04.770
women's studies course thrown in there and so

01:09:04.770 --> 01:09:07.569
they're taught this worldview that white men

01:09:07.569 --> 01:09:10.930
are evil and oppressive to women to minorities

01:09:10.930 --> 01:09:14.409
to poor people so they see ed Edwin Hernandez

01:09:14.409 --> 01:09:17.210
whatever his name is well sure he murdered five

01:09:17.210 --> 01:09:19.630
people but he wouldn't have done that if he wasn't

01:09:19.630 --> 01:09:22.350
poor and oppressed by the evil white patriarchy

01:09:22.350 --> 01:09:25.909
it's not fair and so she wants to protect him

01:09:25.909 --> 01:09:27.689
and she said there's kids who are afraid to come

01:09:27.689 --> 01:09:31.560
to school You know, the kids are afraid. It's

01:09:31.560 --> 01:09:33.119
just like the Democrats last night with their

01:09:33.119 --> 01:09:36.340
little reply to Trump's State of the Union, where

01:09:36.340 --> 01:09:38.479
they said the same thing. If you've been trying

01:09:38.479 --> 01:09:40.939
to protect your neighbors from the Gestapo who's

01:09:40.939 --> 01:09:43.500
coming to arrest them, we understand how stressful

01:09:43.500 --> 01:09:46.680
that is. They just create this completely false

01:09:46.680 --> 01:09:49.060
narrative. That's not how the world really works.

01:09:49.819 --> 01:09:52.260
Ask the average white man out there who he's

01:09:52.260 --> 01:09:54.420
oppressing. Because most of them are just working

01:09:54.420 --> 01:09:57.539
hard as, you know, Amazon delivery drivers or

01:09:57.539 --> 01:10:00.579
plumbers or sewage workers or something like

01:10:00.579 --> 01:10:03.600
that. The average white man has never had like

01:10:03.600 --> 01:10:06.119
this incredible amount of power. It's all framing.

01:10:06.399 --> 01:10:08.819
The minute you take away and destroy the framing

01:10:08.819 --> 01:10:11.920
that everyone accepts, this all falls apart,

01:10:12.159 --> 01:10:13.979
which is why I wrote the book. Because I'm like,

01:10:14.039 --> 01:10:18.399
if women knew specifically, women like me, this

01:10:18.399 --> 01:10:20.779
is supposed to be for us. This whole movement

01:10:20.779 --> 01:10:23.880
was supposed to be for me and my daughters to

01:10:23.880 --> 01:10:29.340
liberate us. And I was like, OK, from what? From

01:10:29.340 --> 01:10:31.840
the people who have the best interest in protecting

01:10:31.840 --> 01:10:36.060
me, my father, my husband, my brother, the men

01:10:36.060 --> 01:10:38.279
around me. In order to believe the feminist narrative

01:10:38.279 --> 01:10:40.800
that men have systemically just always wanted

01:10:40.800 --> 01:10:42.720
to keep women down and oppress them, you'd have

01:10:42.720 --> 01:10:45.340
to believe that they didn't care about their

01:10:45.340 --> 01:10:48.319
mothers. Their daughters, their sisters, their

01:10:48.319 --> 01:10:52.439
grandmothers, their neighbor lady. Just all the

01:10:52.439 --> 01:10:54.840
men wanted to just systemically oppress the women

01:10:54.840 --> 01:10:58.399
so that they could have free maids and, you know,

01:10:58.439 --> 01:11:01.119
sex bot women at home. There was a ton of propaganda

01:11:01.119 --> 01:11:03.760
in the 70s as well about this. Remember the Stepford

01:11:03.760 --> 01:11:07.720
Wives movie? Where it was revealed in the movie

01:11:07.720 --> 01:11:10.680
plot that like all the evil men in this nice

01:11:10.680 --> 01:11:12.840
suburban neighborhood full of white people, they

01:11:12.840 --> 01:11:15.359
all had sex bot wives. They didn't want their

01:11:15.359 --> 01:11:18.300
real wives. They wanted a mindless sex bot that

01:11:18.300 --> 01:11:20.859
cleaned the house and baked casseroles. And this

01:11:20.859 --> 01:11:24.939
was supposed to imply that this is why men are

01:11:24.939 --> 01:11:26.640
oppressing you. They don't want you to have a

01:11:26.640 --> 01:11:28.380
brain. They don't want you to have input. They

01:11:28.380 --> 01:11:30.619
don't want to hear your thoughts on things or

01:11:30.619 --> 01:11:33.840
have you be a real person. They just want you

01:11:33.840 --> 01:11:37.250
to serve them. You know what I mean? That's not

01:11:37.250 --> 01:11:39.869
how life is. Life's a lot more complicated than

01:11:39.869 --> 01:11:42.810
that. But when you fill the university systems

01:11:42.810 --> 01:11:45.609
with this and then you fill the workplace with

01:11:45.609 --> 01:11:49.050
it, we've got HR, we've got Me Too, we've got

01:11:49.050 --> 01:11:52.529
all these systems in place now that actually

01:11:52.529 --> 01:11:55.229
promote feminism. It's far and away the dominant

01:11:55.229 --> 01:12:00.149
social aspect of the culture. Look at every female

01:12:00.149 --> 01:12:02.659
celebrity. Every single one of them. Think of

01:12:02.659 --> 01:12:04.939
the top ones like Kylie Jenner, Taylor Swift,

01:12:05.180 --> 01:12:09.779
Beyonce, Katy Perry, any of the really popular

01:12:09.779 --> 01:12:14.720
female pop culture. They're all girl boss, sexual

01:12:14.720 --> 01:12:18.159
liberation, shitting on your ex -boyfriend. Men

01:12:18.159 --> 01:12:20.960
ain't shit. I'm going to dominate him with my

01:12:20.960 --> 01:12:24.840
sexy physique and my sexual prowess. And it turns

01:12:24.840 --> 01:12:28.699
out that. A lot of the ancient goddess worship,

01:12:28.819 --> 01:12:30.659
which was really popular with feminists in the

01:12:30.659 --> 01:12:33.520
70s, there was a huge revival of that. A lot

01:12:33.520 --> 01:12:36.939
of the goddess archetypes that they brought back

01:12:36.939 --> 01:12:39.899
had those same themes. Like the goddess Kali,

01:12:40.100 --> 01:12:43.140
who's a Hindu goddess with eight arms and blue

01:12:43.140 --> 01:12:46.060
skin and a tongue hanging out of her mouth and

01:12:46.060 --> 01:12:49.609
all of her depictions in Hinduism. The feminists

01:12:49.609 --> 01:12:52.029
chose that and put it on the cover of the first

01:12:52.029 --> 01:12:56.189
issue of Ms. Magazine in 1973. That seems like

01:12:56.189 --> 01:12:57.989
a weird choice if you're trying to get suburban

01:12:57.989 --> 01:13:02.090
moms in 1973 to buy your magazine, to put this

01:13:02.090 --> 01:13:04.770
blue -skinned, terrifying Hindu goddess on the

01:13:04.770 --> 01:13:07.310
cover. So why did they do that? Well, because

01:13:07.310 --> 01:13:10.050
they had her holding an iron and a baby and like

01:13:10.050 --> 01:13:12.310
all these domestic things, right? And the goddess

01:13:12.310 --> 01:13:15.810
Kali symbolizes, at least to feminists, vengeance

01:13:15.810 --> 01:13:18.760
against men. Taking back power from men and having

01:13:18.760 --> 01:13:21.640
your revenge on them because that goddess only

01:13:21.640 --> 01:13:24.159
accepts male sacrifice, male human sacrifice,

01:13:24.439 --> 01:13:26.800
especially on the battlefield. She like drinks

01:13:26.800 --> 01:13:30.779
the blood of deceased male warriors. Yeah. And

01:13:30.779 --> 01:13:33.319
she's intentionally terrifying and she's supposed

01:13:33.319 --> 01:13:36.279
to like symbolize this. Let me see what she looks

01:13:36.279 --> 01:13:39.100
like, Jamie. Yeah. If you pull up that. Just

01:13:39.100 --> 01:13:42.640
put up the actual goddess Kali. There it is.

01:13:45.130 --> 01:13:48.750
Women tell the truth about their abortions. Wow.

01:13:48.810 --> 01:13:50.670
On raising kids without sex roles. What year

01:13:50.670 --> 01:13:55.329
was this? 1973, I think. Wow. Yeah. On the housewife's

01:13:55.329 --> 01:13:58.210
moment of truth. This was the huge propaganda

01:13:58.210 --> 01:14:01.189
campaign to convince women that staying home

01:14:01.189 --> 01:14:04.409
and raising your own kids is actually horrific

01:14:04.409 --> 01:14:06.869
oppression and it's abuse and you're enslaved.

01:14:08.000 --> 01:14:10.380
You want to be at work working for your boss.

01:14:10.659 --> 01:14:13.140
You want to be paying those taxes. You want to

01:14:13.140 --> 01:14:15.739
don't submit to your husband. Submit your boss,

01:14:15.920 --> 01:14:19.920
though. Right. That's fine. Or become the boss.

01:14:20.199 --> 01:14:23.539
Yeah. Or become the boss, which, again, we've

01:14:23.539 --> 01:14:25.399
had 50 years of trying to push women to be the

01:14:25.399 --> 01:14:27.279
boss. And guess what? They really don't want

01:14:27.279 --> 01:14:29.100
to. And this is what I always say. Some of them

01:14:29.100 --> 01:14:32.079
do, though. Some of them do. That's true. They're

01:14:32.079 --> 01:14:35.229
not a lot of fun. They're not. I would say there's

01:14:35.229 --> 01:14:37.289
always been like 5 % of women who are genuine

01:14:37.289 --> 01:14:39.890
outliers, who are really not cut out for motherhood,

01:14:39.989 --> 01:14:41.850
who can go out there and crush it, who are going

01:14:41.850 --> 01:14:44.050
to do something else. Historically, usually it

01:14:44.050 --> 01:14:47.090
was like maybe you would become a monastic, like

01:14:47.090 --> 01:14:49.770
a nun or something. Maybe you would run a boarding

01:14:49.770 --> 01:14:52.850
school or a tavern. Like women have owned businesses

01:14:52.850 --> 01:14:55.149
and done other things in almost every culture.

01:14:55.149 --> 01:14:57.630
But you should be free to do that. The issue

01:14:57.630 --> 01:15:00.729
is like. Are we indoctrinating people into a

01:15:00.729 --> 01:15:03.770
very specific ideology in schools and universities?

01:15:03.949 --> 01:15:07.609
And is that why they're going to something that

01:15:07.609 --> 01:15:10.149
really maybe they're not that outlier and they

01:15:10.149 --> 01:15:12.310
wouldn't really be interested in it? You know,

01:15:12.310 --> 01:15:14.609
I was talking the other day about this video

01:15:14.609 --> 01:15:17.840
that I saw on Instagram. A while back where there

01:15:17.840 --> 01:15:19.979
was this woman, she was talking about how when

01:15:19.979 --> 01:15:22.319
she was in college, she was dating this guy who

01:15:22.319 --> 01:15:25.460
was a Christian and he wanted a traditional family.

01:15:25.560 --> 01:15:27.279
And he's like, I'll take care of you and I'll

01:15:27.279 --> 01:15:29.039
raise our kids. And she goes, I didn't want that.

01:15:29.079 --> 01:15:31.640
I wanted to go out there in the world. So I got

01:15:31.640 --> 01:15:35.010
my education. And I got the job and I'm doing

01:15:35.010 --> 01:15:38.750
the thing that I want to do and I don't want

01:15:38.750 --> 01:15:41.430
it. And she was crying. She was like, I don't

01:15:41.430 --> 01:15:43.850
want it. She was like, this is not what I want.

01:15:43.930 --> 01:15:47.649
I'm not happy. And I fucked up. Yeah. And it's

01:15:47.649 --> 01:15:51.109
just crazy. It's terrible. How many people silently

01:15:51.109 --> 01:15:54.850
feel like that? Yeah. Well, the truth is that

01:15:54.850 --> 01:15:57.439
since this book came out a few years ago. I've

01:15:57.439 --> 01:15:59.539
paid a pretty high personal cost for putting

01:15:59.539 --> 01:16:01.760
this information out there. And in the first

01:16:01.760 --> 01:16:04.079
chapter, I say, look, I'm just going to present

01:16:04.079 --> 01:16:06.859
to you the actual facts about the history and

01:16:06.859 --> 01:16:09.079
what really happened, because I think it's for

01:16:09.079 --> 01:16:11.779
you women to decide. This is supposed to be for

01:16:11.779 --> 01:16:15.699
you. I want you guys to look at what really happened

01:16:15.699 --> 01:16:18.560
and the results of that. And the whole last chapter

01:16:18.560 --> 01:16:21.199
is like a ton of statistics about where are we

01:16:21.199 --> 01:16:24.000
now after 50 years of this being the super dominant

01:16:24.000 --> 01:16:27.609
thing. It's not great. It's not great. But I

01:16:27.609 --> 01:16:30.590
was like, I want women to have the ability to

01:16:30.590 --> 01:16:32.470
look at it truthfully for themselves and decide

01:16:32.470 --> 01:16:35.949
what they think. And I have been slandered. I

01:16:35.949 --> 01:16:38.210
have been the things that have been said about

01:16:38.210 --> 01:16:40.430
me, the lies and the gossip that have been spread

01:16:40.430 --> 01:16:43.050
like online, calling me everything under the

01:16:43.050 --> 01:16:46.210
sun, just wild, crazy rumors about my personal

01:16:46.210 --> 01:16:49.710
life that are not true. But that's going to happen

01:16:49.710 --> 01:16:52.189
to anybody that's in the public that says anything

01:16:52.189 --> 01:16:54.449
controversial. I'm kind of seen as somebody betraying

01:16:54.449 --> 01:16:57.329
the sisterhood, right? Because we're so programmed

01:16:57.329 --> 01:16:59.729
that it's like the knee -jerk reaction from women

01:16:59.729 --> 01:17:04.949
oftentimes. But I get hundreds now, emails, DMs,

01:17:04.949 --> 01:17:09.090
letters in the mail even to our PO box from women.

01:17:09.250 --> 01:17:11.829
Like one was a lady who was like, I'm 60 years

01:17:11.829 --> 01:17:15.029
old. I'm sitting here reading your book and it's

01:17:15.029 --> 01:17:17.720
covered with tears. Because I fell for this shit.

01:17:17.899 --> 01:17:20.539
Now I'm 60 years old. I have no husband. I have

01:17:20.539 --> 01:17:23.500
no kids. I have a shitty job that I hate. I'm

01:17:23.500 --> 01:17:26.199
going to die alone. And I can't go back and change

01:17:26.199 --> 01:17:28.680
any of it. What do I do? Do you know who's upset

01:17:28.680 --> 01:17:31.359
about it, too? The lady who created Sex and the

01:17:31.359 --> 01:17:34.439
City. Oh, yeah. Did you see that? She's a gem.

01:17:34.579 --> 01:17:37.220
Yes, there's like a little video about that,

01:17:37.239 --> 01:17:41.600
isn't there? Where she said that she regrets

01:17:41.600 --> 01:17:44.810
having ever made that. Yeah. Isn't that crazy?

01:17:44.869 --> 01:17:46.789
Because how many women saw that and like, I'm

01:17:46.789 --> 01:17:48.770
going to be that boss girl. Yeah. I'm going to

01:17:48.770 --> 01:17:50.229
be that. What was the one lady that fucked everybody?

01:17:50.329 --> 01:17:55.470
The hot blonde lady? Samantha? Aren't you a giant

01:17:55.470 --> 01:17:57.750
fan of Sex and the City? No, but that's the character's

01:17:57.750 --> 01:18:01.529
name. Character or actor? Both. Samantha's the

01:18:01.529 --> 01:18:05.010
character. Yeah. That lady, she was in all the...

01:18:05.229 --> 01:18:08.210
Like 80s hot. That's it. Yes. Super hot. Yeah.

01:18:08.270 --> 01:18:09.989
Yeah. And it was like, I'm going to be like her.

01:18:10.010 --> 01:18:12.170
I'm going to be a Samantha. Yeah, I know. Yeah.

01:18:12.529 --> 01:18:15.289
Well, I mean, it was pushed on me really hard.

01:18:15.329 --> 01:18:18.539
And I was told. I was told you're like a loser.

01:18:18.659 --> 01:18:20.859
I'll never forget this. It was like maybe 12

01:18:20.859 --> 01:18:25.119
years ago. Somebody from the RNC that I was arguing

01:18:25.119 --> 01:18:27.539
with online about this, she told me, you should

01:18:27.539 --> 01:18:30.039
be ashamed of yourself. You are not a proper

01:18:30.039 --> 01:18:31.779
conservative woman and you are not contributing

01:18:31.779 --> 01:18:33.979
to the movement by staying home with your kids.

01:18:34.039 --> 01:18:36.239
I said, really? How's that? She goes, what about

01:18:36.239 --> 01:18:42.720
the GDP? I was like, the GDP? She's like, if

01:18:42.720 --> 01:18:44.579
you were a real Republican, you'd be out there

01:18:44.579 --> 01:18:47.920
working and contributing to the GDP. And I was

01:18:47.920 --> 01:18:50.960
like, you're right. Raising five children and

01:18:50.960 --> 01:18:53.539
trying to make them the best human beings I can

01:18:53.539 --> 01:18:57.619
help them be. Who wants to do that? I should

01:18:57.619 --> 01:19:00.460
get out there and work for a corporation. GDP

01:19:00.460 --> 01:19:03.920
was her argument? That's crazy. I debate feminists

01:19:03.920 --> 01:19:07.140
all the time. Online. I'm pretty undefeated if

01:19:07.140 --> 01:19:09.279
anybody wants a piece. Well, here's the thing

01:19:09.279 --> 01:19:11.779
about liberals online. I was just talking to

01:19:11.779 --> 01:19:13.760
Andrew about this. She said that was incorrect,

01:19:14.039 --> 01:19:16.300
the take on her. The opposite is true. I've never

01:19:16.300 --> 01:19:18.560
regretted not having children. I feel compelled

01:19:18.560 --> 01:19:21.760
to have a career since I was a child. But who's

01:19:21.760 --> 01:19:23.859
judging? Not me. Read all about it in my new

01:19:23.859 --> 01:19:27.170
book. But I thought, so why does it say here,

01:19:27.409 --> 01:19:29.289
Sex and the City writer Candace Bushnell, 60,

01:19:29.409 --> 01:19:31.689
admits she regrets choosing a career over having

01:19:31.689 --> 01:19:34.250
children as she is now truly alone. I don't know.

01:19:34.289 --> 01:19:35.510
And then there's a link. I would imagine she

01:19:35.510 --> 01:19:37.449
was selling a book and they're paying her some

01:19:37.449 --> 01:19:39.810
amount to get some headlines. This is the Daily

01:19:39.810 --> 01:19:42.829
Mail, though. The Daily Mail is a little sus,

01:19:42.829 --> 01:19:45.149
right? It's pretty. Click on that. Highlight

01:19:45.149 --> 01:19:47.109
that and click on that article, that Daily Mail

01:19:47.109 --> 01:19:51.420
article. Do they quote her? Even if it's not

01:19:51.420 --> 01:19:54.220
cannabis, there's definitely plenty of other

01:19:54.220 --> 01:19:56.800
women who push this. 100%. Who say they regret

01:19:56.800 --> 01:19:58.579
it. But I wonder, like, how are they able to

01:19:58.579 --> 01:20:01.560
say that she regrets this if there's no quote

01:20:01.560 --> 01:20:05.659
attached to it? So what does it say here? Then

01:20:05.659 --> 01:20:07.260
when I got divorced, I was in my 50s, started

01:20:07.260 --> 01:20:09.260
to see the impact of not having children and

01:20:09.260 --> 01:20:11.859
being truly alone. Okay. I do see that people

01:20:11.859 --> 01:20:13.680
with children have an anchor in a way that people

01:20:13.680 --> 01:20:17.619
who have no kids don't. Okay. And what does it

01:20:17.619 --> 01:20:21.140
say below that anymore? Did she elaborate? She

01:20:21.140 --> 01:20:22.680
explained that she didn't feel like dating after

01:20:22.680 --> 01:20:27.500
her 2012 divorce. Ballet dancer. She married

01:20:27.500 --> 01:20:33.560
a ballet dancer. Red flag. Sorry, male ballet

01:20:33.560 --> 01:20:36.840
dancers. I'm just kidding. It's not that long

01:20:36.840 --> 01:20:39.300
to get to my age. I know women who have gone

01:20:39.300 --> 01:20:43.760
longer. That was it? That was the entire quote?

01:20:43.920 --> 01:20:45.300
Yeah, I was just looking her up. Well, I can

01:20:45.300 --> 01:20:48.100
see why they took it that way then. Maybe she's

01:20:48.100 --> 01:20:50.119
saying overall she still thinks it was better

01:20:50.119 --> 01:20:52.739
to go after a career. Or maybe she's just gaslighting

01:20:52.739 --> 01:20:54.960
everybody to sell a book. Could be. Maybe she's

01:20:54.960 --> 01:20:56.680
like, you want to sell that book? You better

01:20:56.680 --> 01:21:01.779
be on the go -go boss girl train. I suppose so.

01:21:01.960 --> 01:21:06.689
But you asked me. Do women really want to be

01:21:06.689 --> 01:21:08.329
in the workplace or are they only kind of really

01:21:08.329 --> 01:21:09.430
choosing the girl boss stuff? Well, that's a

01:21:09.430 --> 01:21:11.569
giant generalization anyway. Right. Of course

01:21:11.569 --> 01:21:14.090
it is. Obviously some women do and some women

01:21:14.090 --> 01:21:16.189
don't. And there's a lot of women who naturally

01:21:16.189 --> 01:21:17.850
maternally want to have children and want to

01:21:17.850 --> 01:21:20.590
have a family. And then it's also finding a guy

01:21:20.590 --> 01:21:22.930
that you can trust, that you care about and you

01:21:22.930 --> 01:21:24.970
think is going to stick with you and he's really

01:21:24.970 --> 01:21:26.729
going to be invested in this whole thing. And

01:21:26.729 --> 01:21:29.130
someone who's like a solid man who's not going

01:21:29.130 --> 01:21:32.109
to become an alcoholic and lose his job and fall

01:21:32.109 --> 01:21:34.460
apart. That's what happened to me. That's what

01:21:34.460 --> 01:21:36.359
happened to me. That can happen to anybody. But

01:21:36.359 --> 01:21:40.380
that aside for just a moment, Simone de Beauvoir,

01:21:40.640 --> 01:21:43.060
arguably the biggest feminist of second wave,

01:21:43.159 --> 01:21:46.279
the French intellectual who was buddies with

01:21:46.279 --> 01:21:48.680
Jean -Paul Sartre and they got in trouble for

01:21:48.680 --> 01:21:52.020
grooming underage kids and seducing them and

01:21:52.020 --> 01:21:53.979
all kinds of crazy stuff. But she's respected

01:21:53.979 --> 01:21:56.579
as the greatest feminist intellectual of the

01:21:56.579 --> 01:21:59.199
20th century and she was super influential. And

01:21:59.199 --> 01:22:02.180
in a 1970s interview with Betty Friedan, she

01:22:02.180 --> 01:22:05.159
said, I don't believe that society should give

01:22:05.159 --> 01:22:08.420
women the opportunity or the choice to stay home

01:22:08.420 --> 01:22:10.640
and be mothers, because if we do, they're all

01:22:10.640 --> 01:22:12.939
going to pick that. And I don't think it should

01:22:12.939 --> 01:22:16.520
be an option. So it was the it was the view of

01:22:16.520 --> 01:22:19.939
the feminists that. Yeah. And Susan B. Anthony

01:22:19.939 --> 01:22:21.899
and Elizabeth Cady Stanton said that they said

01:22:21.899 --> 01:22:26.100
we would have never passed suffrage had it not

01:22:26.100 --> 01:22:28.060
been for men. If it was ever left up to women

01:22:28.060 --> 01:22:30.579
alone. We would have never passed suffrage. They

01:22:30.579 --> 01:22:32.220
would have never gone for it. They don't want

01:22:32.220 --> 01:22:34.180
liberation. Now, of course, from their view,

01:22:34.260 --> 01:22:35.420
they're like, well, it's because they're oppressed

01:22:35.420 --> 01:22:38.039
and they don't know that they hate their solid,

01:22:38.159 --> 01:22:40.659
their slavery yet. They just haven't realized

01:22:40.659 --> 01:22:42.800
how oppressed they are. And if they could see

01:22:42.800 --> 01:22:45.779
it, you know, for what it is, they wouldn't like

01:22:45.779 --> 01:22:48.560
it. But we couldn't convince them for 100 years.

01:22:48.640 --> 01:22:51.060
We had to convince the men that don't you want

01:22:51.060 --> 01:22:53.800
your daughters to like have their own money and

01:22:53.800 --> 01:22:57.539
this and that. So the feminists themselves say

01:22:57.539 --> 01:22:59.979
women didn't want it. If we ever left it up to

01:22:59.979 --> 01:23:01.920
women, they wouldn't have ever chosen it, like

01:23:01.920 --> 01:23:04.079
at least not as a whole. Sure, there would always

01:23:04.079 --> 01:23:06.640
have been a minority. But I would argue that

01:23:06.640 --> 01:23:08.939
the minority of women who fought for that were

01:23:08.939 --> 01:23:12.899
the ones that the status quo historically of

01:23:12.899 --> 01:23:17.199
get yourself a good man, have a family, stay

01:23:17.199 --> 01:23:20.260
home. It doesn't work for them. So like a lot

01:23:20.260 --> 01:23:24.350
of them, there's a book about this. Edward Dutton

01:23:24.350 --> 01:23:26.329
wrote a book about witches feminism in the fall

01:23:26.329 --> 01:23:28.109
of the West where he says traditionally like

01:23:28.109 --> 01:23:30.270
women the archetype of the witch being ugly and

01:23:30.270 --> 01:23:33.289
haggard and living on the outside of town. It's

01:23:33.289 --> 01:23:35.970
kind of historically accurate. Most of the feminists

01:23:35.970 --> 01:23:37.649
like have you ever seen a picture of Susan B.

01:23:37.710 --> 01:23:41.489
Anthony for. No. For example. I have not. She

01:23:41.489 --> 01:23:44.430
is aesthetically challenged. We'll say that.

01:23:44.789 --> 01:23:47.090
So is Betty Friedan. So are a lot of these women.

01:23:47.270 --> 01:23:49.789
Not all. But a lot of them are. And a lot of

01:23:49.789 --> 01:23:51.609
men were not really interested in them. I think

01:23:51.609 --> 01:23:53.010
they look at the system and they go, well, this

01:23:53.010 --> 01:23:55.689
isn't fair to me. You know, I'm smart. I can

01:23:55.689 --> 01:23:58.390
do other things. I'm just a baby factory. The

01:23:58.390 --> 01:24:00.470
amount of women who have called me a baby factory

01:24:00.470 --> 01:24:03.210
is pretty insane because I have five kids. Well,

01:24:03.250 --> 01:24:05.489
they're not fun women. No, they're not fun women.

01:24:05.590 --> 01:24:08.869
I don't want to be you. You're just a baby factory.

01:24:08.869 --> 01:24:11.289
It's like the same kind of men that call me toxic

01:24:11.289 --> 01:24:15.310
male. Oh, yeah. You know, it's just. How dare

01:24:15.310 --> 01:24:18.760
you be a successful. masculine archetype of a

01:24:18.760 --> 01:24:20.640
man. You're not allowed to lift weights. Right.

01:24:20.760 --> 01:24:23.119
It's very threatening to people. Well in some

01:24:23.119 --> 01:24:24.960
ways I'm the weirdest person to be here talking

01:24:24.960 --> 01:24:29.229
about this because I grew up a tomboy. And I

01:24:29.229 --> 01:24:31.090
have a lot of people use this against me. They're

01:24:31.090 --> 01:24:33.109
like, oh, you're actually really masculine for

01:24:33.109 --> 01:24:35.229
a woman. You may not always look super masculine.

01:24:35.250 --> 01:24:37.670
Well, you're really into firearms. I'm a firearms

01:24:37.670 --> 01:24:39.989
instructor. I love weightlifting. I'm like an

01:24:39.989 --> 01:24:43.289
OG meathead. I love bodybuilding. I did powerlifting

01:24:43.289 --> 01:24:46.430
for years. I grew up on farms playing in the

01:24:46.430 --> 01:24:48.890
mud with the other boys in the neighborhood.

01:24:49.090 --> 01:24:51.970
That's what I liked to do. But I think that when

01:24:51.970 --> 01:24:54.750
you grow up like that as a woman, you realize,

01:24:54.869 --> 01:24:57.670
like, I'm really strong for a woman. I can deadlift

01:24:57.670 --> 01:25:01.229
250 pounds for sets of five. But the guy next

01:25:01.229 --> 01:25:03.489
to me who has never trained in his life can do

01:25:03.489 --> 01:25:05.989
that, too. And you give him six months in the

01:25:05.989 --> 01:25:08.210
gym and he's going to blow past me. You know,

01:25:08.250 --> 01:25:11.489
you just you have a more realistic understanding

01:25:11.489 --> 01:25:15.010
of how that works. And I think that in the modern

01:25:15.010 --> 01:25:17.829
era, all the feminist side debate. They live

01:25:17.829 --> 01:25:19.689
in this world that we're sitting in this studio

01:25:19.689 --> 01:25:22.229
right now and all this wonderful stuff that allows

01:25:22.229 --> 01:25:24.909
me to be here talking to you and talking to all

01:25:24.909 --> 01:25:27.050
the folks that are watching. The microphone,

01:25:27.189 --> 01:25:29.590
the technology, everything was built by men.

01:25:30.250 --> 01:25:32.350
You'll hear the Hedy Lamarr thing that she came

01:25:32.350 --> 01:25:35.510
up with. Wi -Fi. No, it's not true. Really? No,

01:25:35.569 --> 01:25:38.729
it's not true. What do you mean? She worked with

01:25:38.729 --> 01:25:42.329
a man on a precursor to it, but it wasn't her.

01:25:42.510 --> 01:25:46.539
It wasn't like she. i think so i think they actually

01:25:46.539 --> 01:25:49.979
were i think it was one of her boyfriends i could

01:25:49.979 --> 01:25:52.340
be wrong on that but no if you like even if you

01:25:52.340 --> 01:25:54.479
just ask grok is that really true and it's like

01:25:55.789 --> 01:25:59.069
A little bit, but not really. But far and away,

01:25:59.289 --> 01:26:02.029
men are the builders and maintainers of infrastructure

01:26:02.029 --> 01:26:04.569
and technology. And they always will be because

01:26:04.569 --> 01:26:06.949
the truth is women have had 100 years to get

01:26:06.949 --> 01:26:08.789
into that stuff and they just don't really want

01:26:08.789 --> 01:26:11.829
to. They'd rather be interior designers or psychologists

01:26:11.829 --> 01:26:15.649
or things that are, you know, about people and

01:26:15.649 --> 01:26:19.170
social dynamics and aesthetics and stuff like

01:26:19.170 --> 01:26:21.500
that. I'm that way, too. I have like a really

01:26:21.500 --> 01:26:23.939
strong intellectual logical side. I love debating

01:26:23.939 --> 01:26:27.340
and all that kind of stuff. But I also love smelling

01:26:27.340 --> 01:26:29.619
babies heads and dressing them in cute little

01:26:29.619 --> 01:26:32.159
outfits. And, you know, I love glitter and sparkly

01:26:32.159 --> 01:26:35.140
things. So it is what it is. Women don't want

01:26:35.140 --> 01:26:37.720
to go be men. Right. That's what we're finding

01:26:37.720 --> 01:26:39.760
out after 100 years of this is that when you

01:26:39.760 --> 01:26:42.640
make women be men, they hate it. Like that lady

01:26:42.640 --> 01:26:46.380
that tried to be a man. Have you heard of that

01:26:46.380 --> 01:26:48.359
story where the woman tried to pose as a man

01:26:48.359 --> 01:26:50.979
for like a year and she ended up. deleting herself

01:26:50.979 --> 01:26:55.020
I think because it was so horrible like it was

01:26:55.020 --> 01:26:58.319
so awful she was like life as a man is awful

01:26:58.319 --> 01:27:00.520
it's tough it's hard nobody cares about your

01:27:00.520 --> 01:27:03.079
feelings nobody's coming to rescue you and I

01:27:03.079 --> 01:27:06.800
think women growing up in this era they don't

01:27:06.800 --> 01:27:08.500
think about when they turn on the light switch

01:27:08.500 --> 01:27:11.119
in the morning how that happens When they get

01:27:11.119 --> 01:27:12.439
in their car and drive to work, they don't think

01:27:12.439 --> 01:27:14.020
about who built the road they're driving on,

01:27:14.079 --> 01:27:16.180
who built the cars or designed them, or who changes

01:27:16.180 --> 01:27:18.819
their oil. It's all men. When they flush the

01:27:18.819 --> 01:27:20.939
toilet, they don't think about, hey, if that

01:27:20.939 --> 01:27:23.380
toilet backs up or the sewage, you know, the

01:27:23.380 --> 01:27:25.239
sewer treatment plant has a problem, it's going

01:27:25.239 --> 01:27:27.319
to be men that go in and fix it. If there's a

01:27:27.319 --> 01:27:30.199
hurricane or an ice storm, who's going to be

01:27:30.199 --> 01:27:32.319
back out in the dangerous weather trying to rescue

01:27:32.319 --> 01:27:34.100
people and get the power back on? It's going

01:27:34.100 --> 01:27:36.720
to be men. I'm waiting for the feminists to come

01:27:36.720 --> 01:27:38.779
and rescue all the people from the floodwaters

01:27:38.779 --> 01:27:41.579
and to put the power lines back up after the

01:27:41.579 --> 01:27:45.479
tornadoes come through. So far, they have not

01:27:45.479 --> 01:27:48.420
appeared. They haven't shown up to do the dirty,

01:27:48.539 --> 01:27:51.319
dangerous and difficult jobs that men do. And

01:27:51.319 --> 01:27:53.359
I'll believe them that what they want is equality

01:27:53.359 --> 01:27:56.680
when they start signing up for those jobs. Well,

01:27:56.760 --> 01:28:00.220
it's just such a bizarre perspective to think

01:28:00.220 --> 01:28:04.180
that it's not. a huge task to raise children

01:28:04.180 --> 01:28:07.699
and to care for them and communicate with them

01:28:07.699 --> 01:28:10.920
and see to their emotional needs and help them

01:28:10.920 --> 01:28:13.960
solve things and figure things out and help them

01:28:13.960 --> 01:28:17.340
with their schoolwork and just normal stuff that

01:28:17.340 --> 01:28:20.199
is so crucial to the development of a child.

01:28:20.420 --> 01:28:23.520
And we've somehow, because there's no monetary...

01:28:24.479 --> 01:28:27.460
you can't like put a number on that like what

01:28:27.460 --> 01:28:29.979
how valuable it is it's not valuable if it's

01:28:29.979 --> 01:28:31.439
not bringing in money if it's not contributing

01:28:31.439 --> 01:28:36.100
to the gdp yes yeah that that whole the like

01:28:36.100 --> 01:28:39.279
myth of women's unpaid labor um i'm glad you

01:28:39.279 --> 01:28:41.079
brought that up i just finished a huge project

01:28:41.079 --> 01:28:44.729
that i'm working on with uh Andrew, my my excellent

01:28:44.729 --> 01:28:48.729
has a handsome husband and Stephen Crowder, Dr.

01:28:48.890 --> 01:28:51.689
David Patrick Harry and Rob Knorr, who's a champion

01:28:51.689 --> 01:28:54.149
debater. We put together a feminist debate course

01:28:54.149 --> 01:28:56.149
that's coming out really soon. I think this week,

01:28:56.189 --> 01:28:58.670
I think it drops this week. And we go over all

01:28:58.670 --> 01:29:01.090
these myths and debunk them and we tell we show

01:29:01.090 --> 01:29:04.229
people and demonstrate like how to debate. this

01:29:04.229 --> 01:29:06.229
feminism thing because it's a Leviathan. It's

01:29:06.229 --> 01:29:08.890
a beast. If you take it on like one of the reasons

01:29:08.890 --> 01:29:10.909
I'm out here doing it is because when men try

01:29:10.909 --> 01:29:13.970
to argue against feminism or feminists, they

01:29:13.970 --> 01:29:16.229
immediately get slapped with you're a misogynist.

01:29:16.250 --> 01:29:19.270
You hate women. You're an incel. All the tropes.

01:29:19.270 --> 01:29:21.409
You have a small dick. What are you gay? Like

01:29:21.409 --> 01:29:24.189
just all the insults. Right. Well, when I sit

01:29:24.189 --> 01:29:26.829
in front of them and make those arguments, you

01:29:26.829 --> 01:29:28.369
can't really just get away with that. You have

01:29:28.369 --> 01:29:30.819
to contend with them because I'm a woman. Right.

01:29:30.979 --> 01:29:32.380
You could try to insult me, but it's not going

01:29:32.380 --> 01:29:34.840
to land the same as when you do that to a man.

01:29:35.079 --> 01:29:37.960
So we put together this course to try to help

01:29:37.960 --> 01:29:41.039
people deconstruct the framing that's been built,

01:29:41.079 --> 01:29:44.399
question all the. founding axioms that feminism

01:29:44.399 --> 01:29:47.520
was this good, necessary grassroots thing, that

01:29:47.520 --> 01:29:50.119
it's good for women, that if it ever went away,

01:29:50.180 --> 01:29:52.640
all the women would be chained to the stove in

01:29:52.640 --> 01:29:55.699
servitude, not allowed to learn how to read or

01:29:55.699 --> 01:29:58.500
drive a car. When you hear about like women's

01:29:58.500 --> 01:30:00.279
oppression in the Middle East, that's a result

01:30:00.279 --> 01:30:03.659
of Islam. In Christendom, that was never a thing.

01:30:03.680 --> 01:30:06.890
Like even in like ancient Christianity was. one

01:30:06.890 --> 01:30:09.010
of the first places that women were really seen

01:30:09.010 --> 01:30:11.289
as full human beings. And a lot of it's because

01:30:11.289 --> 01:30:14.149
of the Theotokos, the mother of God, the Virgin

01:30:14.149 --> 01:30:17.329
Mary, being the Ark of the New Covenant that

01:30:17.329 --> 01:30:20.369
brought Christ into the world for man's salvation.

01:30:20.590 --> 01:30:22.930
She was even asked by an angel and she said,

01:30:22.989 --> 01:30:26.069
let it be so. Which is so bizarre that modern

01:30:26.069 --> 01:30:29.649
feminist women support Islam. Yes, they do. And

01:30:29.649 --> 01:30:33.180
they hate. Christianity and they hate the Virgin

01:30:33.180 --> 01:30:35.739
Mary. They don't like her being an archetype

01:30:35.739 --> 01:30:39.279
of virginity and motherhood, you know, and strength

01:30:39.279 --> 01:30:41.920
and men's salvation. They don't like that. But

01:30:41.920 --> 01:30:44.640
they'll support Islam all day long. That's fine.

01:30:45.140 --> 01:30:49.979
It's so strange. It's so strange that it worked.

01:30:50.539 --> 01:30:53.199
It's so strange that something that goes against

01:30:53.199 --> 01:30:56.460
actual human nature somehow or another became

01:30:56.460 --> 01:31:00.079
the prevailing ideology amongst. liberal women.

01:31:00.659 --> 01:31:05.579
The occult aspect of it was very shocking. Yes.

01:31:05.779 --> 01:31:07.520
It was very weird. It was very shocking to me.

01:31:07.699 --> 01:31:10.800
You didn't know. When I started researching to

01:31:10.800 --> 01:31:12.399
put together the book, I thought it was going

01:31:12.399 --> 01:31:15.760
to be mostly about the funding of the feminist

01:31:15.760 --> 01:31:18.819
movement, the Jekyll Island Club being the same

01:31:18.819 --> 01:31:21.840
guys that like. Went to the Jekyll Island in

01:31:21.840 --> 01:31:23.880
secret and put together the income tax and the

01:31:23.880 --> 01:31:25.600
Federal Reserve and the compulsory education

01:31:25.600 --> 01:31:27.859
system. I thought it would be mostly about that

01:31:27.859 --> 01:31:29.859
and the fact that women never wanted it, that

01:31:29.859 --> 01:31:32.500
women weren't the ones that just came together

01:31:32.500 --> 01:31:35.260
and demanded it. And then I started researching

01:31:35.260 --> 01:31:37.920
all the like popular figureheads and really reading

01:31:37.920 --> 01:31:40.399
their stuff because I was like, this is a very

01:31:40.399 --> 01:31:44.500
unpopular. I'm making pretty intense claims here.

01:31:44.800 --> 01:31:46.979
So I really have to be able to back it up and

01:31:46.979 --> 01:31:48.939
I better make sure I'm correct and I better make

01:31:48.939 --> 01:31:51.529
sure I'm accurate. Because whenever you're challenging

01:31:51.529 --> 01:31:54.029
a narrative this big, everyone's going to go

01:31:54.029 --> 01:31:56.289
through with a fine tooth comb and try to see

01:31:56.289 --> 01:31:58.409
where I'm wrong or see if I'm lying or see if

01:31:58.409 --> 01:32:00.670
I'm twisting things. So I did two and a half

01:32:00.670 --> 01:32:05.909
years of just reading feminist literature. It

01:32:05.909 --> 01:32:08.250
was rough, but I got through it. And what I found

01:32:08.250 --> 01:32:14.079
was, holy moly, most. Of these women, almost

01:32:14.079 --> 01:32:18.380
all, but certainly most, were into spiritualism,

01:32:18.399 --> 01:32:21.920
which was like a big 1800s movement of like trying

01:32:21.920 --> 01:32:24.319
to do seances and contact the dead and things

01:32:24.319 --> 01:32:28.340
like that. Theosophy, which combines like Eastern

01:32:28.340 --> 01:32:31.819
occult practices with like other Western traditions.

01:32:33.119 --> 01:32:38.640
Ancient goddess worship, New Age stuff, and even

01:32:38.640 --> 01:32:40.979
Satanism and Luciferianism. In fact, in my book,

01:32:41.000 --> 01:32:44.949
I cite a book. That's a Ph .D. thesis by a professor

01:32:44.949 --> 01:32:47.750
from Norway. His name's Per Faxneld. I don't

01:32:47.750 --> 01:32:49.470
know if that's the way you pronounce it, but

01:32:49.470 --> 01:32:52.390
that's how it's spelled. P -E -R. It's called

01:32:52.390 --> 01:32:55.470
Satanic Feminism, his book. And now he himself

01:32:55.470 --> 01:32:58.390
is a Satanist. He's a Luciferian himself. So

01:32:58.390 --> 01:33:01.689
he sees it as a good thing that the women of

01:33:01.689 --> 01:33:05.350
the 19th century openly declared Lucifer as their

01:33:05.350 --> 01:33:09.020
liberator and the mascot of their movement. Now,

01:33:09.039 --> 01:33:10.840
you would look back and think these were Christian

01:33:10.840 --> 01:33:13.420
women because they were in like New England and

01:33:13.420 --> 01:33:15.979
stuff in the United States, Puritan communities

01:33:15.979 --> 01:33:18.640
and things like this. But they weren't. In fact,

01:33:18.800 --> 01:33:21.000
Elizabeth Cady Stanton and a bunch of her friends

01:33:21.000 --> 01:33:24.420
wrote something called the Woman's Bible in 1895,

01:33:24.539 --> 01:33:28.399
where they rewrote the Bible from a feminist

01:33:28.399 --> 01:33:31.539
perspective and took out the things that they

01:33:31.539 --> 01:33:34.880
thought were oppressive and patriarchal. And

01:33:34.880 --> 01:33:38.170
in the intro. Stanton herself says, I think her

01:33:38.170 --> 01:33:42.090
husband was a preacher, maybe, or really involved

01:33:42.090 --> 01:33:45.369
with the church at the time. But she said, I

01:33:45.369 --> 01:33:48.210
don't believe that any man has ever heard anything

01:33:48.210 --> 01:33:50.409
from God. I don't believe the Bible is divinely

01:33:50.409 --> 01:33:52.729
inspired. I think all of Christianity was made

01:33:52.729 --> 01:33:55.850
up specifically by men to oppress women. That's

01:33:55.850 --> 01:33:58.109
my personal belief. She was more of like a proto

01:33:58.109 --> 01:34:00.609
New Ager. She believed in like this monism stuff.

01:34:01.529 --> 01:34:04.050
And she said, if I could. Monism? Yeah, monism

01:34:04.050 --> 01:34:06.710
is like that kind of a lot of the new age or

01:34:06.710 --> 01:34:08.909
even some of the DMT bros will kind of come to

01:34:08.909 --> 01:34:10.689
this conclusion that there's like a one that

01:34:10.689 --> 01:34:13.369
we have to return to. Like we're all one and

01:34:13.369 --> 01:34:16.369
we're all God and we forgot that we need to return

01:34:16.369 --> 01:34:18.970
to the one. We're all God? Yeah, we're all God.

01:34:19.029 --> 01:34:20.550
I've heard that one before. Yeah, and we got

01:34:20.550 --> 01:34:24.149
to return to the one. And they were writing about

01:34:24.149 --> 01:34:27.960
this stuff in like the early 1800s is like. transgenderism

01:34:27.960 --> 01:34:31.399
gender abolition gender as a spectrum was being

01:34:31.399 --> 01:34:34.119
written about by Margaret Fuller in the 1840s

01:34:34.119 --> 01:34:37.119
in America and she said we're never going to

01:34:37.119 --> 01:34:40.689
return to the one As long as we have this gender

01:34:40.689 --> 01:34:43.250
division. So in the future, I'm envisioning a

01:34:43.250 --> 01:34:45.729
future with no gender. There's no men and women

01:34:45.729 --> 01:34:48.130
anymore. And she said, nobody's really born a

01:34:48.130 --> 01:34:50.649
man or a woman. You're either you're on this

01:34:50.649 --> 01:34:53.050
spectrum and some people are more on the male

01:34:53.050 --> 01:34:54.890
side and some people are more on the female.

01:34:55.050 --> 01:34:58.189
But nobody is like fully one or the other. It's

01:34:58.189 --> 01:34:59.909
a spectrum. I had that argument once with a guy

01:34:59.909 --> 01:35:01.710
who was a professor. It was one of the dumbest

01:35:01.710 --> 01:35:03.470
conversations I've ever had on this podcast.

01:35:03.949 --> 01:35:06.310
And I eventually had to say to him, if you go

01:35:06.310 --> 01:35:10.119
buy a puppy. And it's a boy puppy, but you wanted

01:35:10.119 --> 01:35:13.340
a girl puppy. Do you say that there is no gender?

01:35:14.060 --> 01:35:16.500
What do you do? Right. Like, what do you do?

01:35:16.500 --> 01:35:18.060
Like, what are we talking about here? You're

01:35:18.060 --> 01:35:21.439
saying that some men don't exist, that men aren't

01:35:21.439 --> 01:35:24.119
real, that women aren't real, that no one is

01:35:24.119 --> 01:35:26.039
a man and no one is a woman. Like, that's crazy.

01:35:26.279 --> 01:35:29.470
How did you get here? You got here. Because someone

01:35:29.470 --> 01:35:31.930
with an XY chromosome had sex with someone with

01:35:31.930 --> 01:35:35.050
an XX chromosome, and that's how it works. It's

01:35:35.050 --> 01:35:38.689
like a biological definition based on objective

01:35:38.689 --> 01:35:41.890
reality. Yes. Like, we all know that, but there's

01:35:41.890 --> 01:35:44.989
this weird fucking dance, and that dance, if

01:35:44.989 --> 01:35:47.569
you keep just asking questions, like, why is

01:35:47.569 --> 01:35:49.729
that dance? What are you doing? Like, why are

01:35:49.729 --> 01:35:51.229
you saying that? Like, what does that mean? Well,

01:35:51.250 --> 01:35:52.810
what about this? And what about that? It just

01:35:52.810 --> 01:35:55.869
falls apart. But yet they have this weird resistance

01:35:55.869 --> 01:35:59.310
to facts. Yes. Very strange. Well, this is why

01:35:59.310 --> 01:36:01.609
the occult was so appealing to these people and

01:36:01.609 --> 01:36:03.789
why. So like feminists are drawn to the occult

01:36:03.789 --> 01:36:05.649
and occultists are drawn to feminism because

01:36:05.649 --> 01:36:08.590
in most occult traditions, there is this idea

01:36:08.590 --> 01:36:13.729
of gender bending and gender fluidity and transcending

01:36:13.729 --> 01:36:18.319
gender. Yeah. In order to. transcend to something

01:36:18.319 --> 01:36:20.739
higher to become the stars again or to become

01:36:20.739 --> 01:36:25.279
part of the one monad or so I I'm reading all

01:36:25.279 --> 01:36:27.319
their backgrounds and they're all writing about

01:36:27.319 --> 01:36:29.560
this stuff many of them claimed to be automatic

01:36:29.560 --> 01:36:31.859
writers so they would write a book about feminism

01:36:31.859 --> 01:36:34.039
say it's not coming from me it's coming from

01:36:34.039 --> 01:36:38.180
this entity that is speaking through me yes yeah

01:36:38.180 --> 01:36:39.859
like that kind of stuff so they would do that

01:36:39.859 --> 01:36:43.300
um they would like Victoria Woodhull would claim

01:36:43.300 --> 01:36:45.399
to be able to contact the dead or they would

01:36:45.399 --> 01:36:48.979
just say this Christianity stuff. is only here

01:36:48.979 --> 01:36:51.560
to oppress women. Lucifer was the good guy, kind

01:36:51.560 --> 01:36:54.000
of the Promethean myth of like, actually, he

01:36:54.000 --> 01:36:55.779
was the good one because he enlightened us and

01:36:55.779 --> 01:36:59.479
gave us, you know, free will. Luciferianism is

01:36:59.479 --> 01:37:01.399
very strange because you look at the definition

01:37:01.399 --> 01:37:04.060
of Luciferianism. You think, oh, they're going

01:37:04.060 --> 01:37:06.619
to say someone who believes that the devil is

01:37:06.619 --> 01:37:10.399
God. But it's not quite that. Like, please pull

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01:37:18.130 --> 01:37:20.710
Because when I went down this rabbit hole with

01:37:20.710 --> 01:37:23.329
your book, I looked this up. So it's very strange.

01:37:23.689 --> 01:37:26.829
Diverse belief system. By the way, that's a weird

01:37:26.829 --> 01:37:30.489
way to say it. Diverse belief system that reveres

01:37:30.489 --> 01:37:32.930
Lucifer not as the Christian devil, but as a

01:37:32.930 --> 01:37:35.689
symbol or deity of enlightenment, knowledge,

01:37:35.829 --> 01:37:40.090
and human potential. Yes. Lucifer. Yes. Fucking

01:37:40.090 --> 01:37:42.930
Satan. The guy who rules hell. Yes. Where everybody

01:37:42.930 --> 01:37:46.710
burns for eternity. Luciferianism. Luciferians

01:37:46.710 --> 01:37:50.069
emphasize self -improvement, free will, and intellectual

01:37:50.069 --> 01:37:53.989
pursuit over traditional religious dogma. They

01:37:53.989 --> 01:37:57.109
view Lucifer as a light bringer or liberator,

01:37:57.229 --> 01:37:59.630
often drawing from pre -Christian figures like

01:37:59.630 --> 01:38:02.590
Prometheus. Practices may include ceremonial

01:38:02.590 --> 01:38:05.710
magic, but the focus is typically on personal

01:38:05.710 --> 01:38:08.590
empowerment rather than the worship of evil.

01:38:09.199 --> 01:38:11.539
But that's a trap door, isn't it? Yes, it is.

01:38:11.699 --> 01:38:13.340
That's what it seems like. It's exactly what

01:38:13.340 --> 01:38:15.439
it is. It seems like a trap door. Just the way

01:38:15.439 --> 01:38:17.220
they describe it. You're like, oh, well, that's

01:38:17.220 --> 01:38:19.600
me, man. I'm into self -improvement. I do cold

01:38:19.600 --> 01:38:23.079
punches. That's why we're all God. I'm God. And

01:38:23.079 --> 01:38:25.520
that's where you get moral relativism. Secular

01:38:25.520 --> 01:38:27.880
humanism comes from Luciferianism, by the way.

01:38:28.000 --> 01:38:30.439
And in the 20th century, almost all the feminists

01:38:30.439 --> 01:38:32.779
signed like the humanist manifestos and things

01:38:32.779 --> 01:38:35.140
like that. The secular humanism stuff where it's

01:38:35.140 --> 01:38:39.340
like morality is subjective. What's right for

01:38:39.340 --> 01:38:41.779
you at the time is what's right and what's right

01:38:41.779 --> 01:38:44.060
or wrong for me at the time. And there is no

01:38:44.060 --> 01:38:47.060
objective moral facts. By the way, the reason

01:38:47.060 --> 01:38:49.760
they get away with rewriting the history on feminism.

01:38:50.640 --> 01:38:52.439
is because they use something called standpoint

01:38:52.439 --> 01:38:55.779
theory. And this is an epistemological framework

01:38:55.779 --> 01:38:58.640
that asserts that there is no such thing as objective

01:38:58.640 --> 01:39:01.659
historical truth or facts. There's no objective

01:39:01.659 --> 01:39:04.100
timeline of history. There are no historical

01:39:04.100 --> 01:39:07.260
facts. And to the extent that these historical

01:39:07.260 --> 01:39:10.739
facts exist, they were created by white patriarchal

01:39:10.739 --> 01:39:13.899
oppressors to perpetuate their patriarchal oppression.

01:39:14.220 --> 01:39:17.779
So we can't know the real history unless it's

01:39:17.779 --> 01:39:20.359
told from the perspective of the most oppressed

01:39:20.359 --> 01:39:24.579
woman and so that is how they rewrote everything

01:39:24.579 --> 01:39:26.760
and the stuff you're getting from their textbooks

01:39:26.760 --> 01:39:28.199
the things you're being taught in university

01:39:28.199 --> 01:39:32.840
is this stuff it's not anything having to do

01:39:32.840 --> 01:39:35.380
with objective historical timelines. So Lucifer

01:39:35.380 --> 01:39:38.560
appears explicitly only once in the Bible in

01:39:38.560 --> 01:39:41.979
Isaiah 14, 12, King James Version. How art thou

01:39:41.979 --> 01:39:44.800
fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning?

01:39:44.920 --> 01:39:48.560
How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst

01:39:48.560 --> 01:40:01.199
weaken the nations? Original context? Lucifer

01:40:01.199 --> 01:40:04.319
translates from the Hebrew term meaning shining

01:40:04.319 --> 01:40:07.680
one, bright one, or light bear, often linked

01:40:07.680 --> 01:40:14.020
to the morning star. I think the later link in

01:40:14.020 --> 01:40:16.939
the later history is the hell and Satan. Scroll

01:40:16.939 --> 01:40:21.000
back down again. Stop right there. It says, oh,

01:40:21.039 --> 01:40:25.520
not originally a proper name or reference to

01:40:25.520 --> 01:40:30.039
Satan. But that is Satan, though, right? It's

01:40:30.039 --> 01:40:32.479
who became Satan, right? So it's like Lucifer

01:40:32.479 --> 01:40:34.619
before he went bad? The old days, like the Beatles,

01:40:34.720 --> 01:40:37.859
their early albums. Yeah. No? So Lucifer's not

01:40:37.859 --> 01:40:40.779
Satan? No. What? Well, the Orthodox tradition

01:40:40.779 --> 01:40:43.220
is that he is, and there's multiple names for

01:40:43.220 --> 01:40:44.800
him. So sometimes he's called the adversary.

01:40:44.960 --> 01:40:48.239
Sometimes he's called different things. The modern

01:40:48.239 --> 01:40:50.479
Protestant interpretations of things, because

01:40:50.479 --> 01:40:53.340
they use sola scriptura, there's a ton of like

01:40:53.340 --> 01:40:55.500
word concept fallacies where they think this

01:40:55.500 --> 01:40:58.560
word always refers to this one thing. And they're

01:40:58.560 --> 01:41:01.680
not correct about that. So like our church tradition

01:41:01.680 --> 01:41:05.140
says, yes, he is Satan. He is the adversary.

01:41:05.640 --> 01:41:09.020
He's, you know, the evil one. He's got lots of

01:41:09.020 --> 01:41:12.079
names. I think Lucifer is like his name is an

01:41:12.079 --> 01:41:15.640
angel. But so he was a fallen angel become Satan.

01:41:15.720 --> 01:41:20.159
Yeah. So what? But obviously, if someone is not

01:41:20.159 --> 01:41:23.439
just a fallen agent, becomes like the worst being

01:41:23.439 --> 01:41:27.039
in the world or in the universe. Like, how could

01:41:27.039 --> 01:41:30.760
you ignore that and only concentrate on the self

01:41:30.760 --> 01:41:32.460
-improvement part? Could you name that after

01:41:32.460 --> 01:41:34.159
somebody else? Aren't there a lot of other self

01:41:34.159 --> 01:41:36.699
-improvement people in the Bible? Well, that's

01:41:36.699 --> 01:41:39.100
the thing. It just seems tricky. What this really

01:41:39.100 --> 01:41:42.060
comes down to, like the name of the book is Occult

01:41:42.060 --> 01:41:44.319
Feminism. It has two meanings. The first meaning

01:41:44.319 --> 01:41:46.739
is a lot of these. women were really into the

01:41:46.739 --> 01:41:48.939
occult. That's the most obvious one. But the

01:41:48.939 --> 01:41:51.520
second one is occult, the term itself just means

01:41:51.520 --> 01:41:54.479
hidden. And there's a whole history here that's

01:41:54.479 --> 01:41:56.800
been completely intentionally hidden from...

01:41:57.130 --> 01:41:59.449
both women and men, but specifically from women,

01:41:59.550 --> 01:42:02.029
that if they knew it, I think they'd have a whole

01:42:02.029 --> 01:42:04.029
different view of this movement. And they would

01:42:04.029 --> 01:42:06.289
question a lot of its foundational grounding

01:42:06.289 --> 01:42:09.869
axioms and all the presuppositions we have that

01:42:09.869 --> 01:42:13.850
it was to protect women. So if we look at that,

01:42:13.930 --> 01:42:16.970
if we look at the promises of feminism, the promises

01:42:16.970 --> 01:42:19.229
we were told, it's going to protect you from

01:42:19.229 --> 01:42:22.869
abusive men, from... unhappy, abusive marriages.

01:42:23.189 --> 01:42:26.670
It's going to give you more freedom and more

01:42:26.670 --> 01:42:30.109
choice in your life. Those were the selling points

01:42:30.109 --> 01:42:33.029
and the things we were promised. But if you actually

01:42:33.029 --> 01:42:34.930
like look at the statistics, you look at the

01:42:34.930 --> 01:42:37.590
outcomes of what's happened since feminism became

01:42:37.590 --> 01:42:39.609
dominant and we pushed women into the workforce,

01:42:39.810 --> 01:42:42.850
we discouraged them from I mean, antinatalism

01:42:42.850 --> 01:42:45.090
is so rampant. I mean, you hear people refer

01:42:45.090 --> 01:42:47.810
to children as like icky. They call them. crotch

01:42:47.810 --> 01:42:50.850
goblins they call them you know sex trophies

01:42:50.850 --> 01:42:54.229
all these like uh derogatory terms for children

01:42:54.229 --> 01:42:57.170
and parents and you see the dual income no kids

01:42:57.170 --> 01:43:00.369
people the dinks making all their like tiktoks

01:43:00.369 --> 01:43:03.010
about like a day in our life is dinks we went

01:43:03.010 --> 01:43:04.729
to the taylor swift concert last night and then

01:43:04.729 --> 01:43:06.470
we slept in extra late and then we had brunch

01:43:06.470 --> 01:43:09.010
and smoked a joint like you know chelsea handler

01:43:09.010 --> 01:43:11.470
look we have no responsibility we live purely

01:43:11.470 --> 01:43:14.149
for ourselves we do whatever we want it's so

01:43:14.149 --> 01:43:17.189
great So it's like always been this dialectic

01:43:17.189 --> 01:43:22.010
of do you want to be self -sacrificial and give

01:43:22.010 --> 01:43:24.909
of yourself for something greater that goes into

01:43:24.909 --> 01:43:27.630
the future long after you're gone? This greater

01:43:27.630 --> 01:43:30.109
purpose that's going that you might never even

01:43:30.109 --> 01:43:34.779
see fully the fruits of in your lifetime. Or

01:43:34.779 --> 01:43:38.079
do you want to party and have fun and go after

01:43:38.079 --> 01:43:40.520
what you want now and be kind of hedonistic,

01:43:40.600 --> 01:43:43.399
kind of selfish? And that's the Luciferian paradigm.

01:43:43.439 --> 01:43:46.880
Like even the satanic temple guys, Anton LaVey

01:43:46.880 --> 01:43:49.100
and all those guys, they said, look, we're not

01:43:49.100 --> 01:43:52.279
even like deistic Satanists. We just think I'm

01:43:52.279 --> 01:43:55.220
my own God. I decide what's right for me. I do

01:43:55.220 --> 01:43:57.800
what I want in my life for my own fulfillment.

01:43:57.920 --> 01:44:01.319
And nobody is entitled to anything from me. I

01:44:01.319 --> 01:44:03.659
decide if and when I want to give anything to

01:44:03.659 --> 01:44:06.479
anyone, this life is for me. Those are kind of

01:44:06.479 --> 01:44:10.159
the two sides you kind of end up on. And so when

01:44:10.159 --> 01:44:13.420
I say a cult, I kind of mean that too. I kind

01:44:13.420 --> 01:44:16.359
of mean like, yeah, raising five kids was really

01:44:16.359 --> 01:44:19.579
hard. I didn't buy fancy new clothes. I didn't

01:44:19.579 --> 01:44:21.760
get beauty treatments. I didn't do much of anything

01:44:21.760 --> 01:44:24.680
for myself. I went like 20 years with no sleep.

01:44:25.060 --> 01:44:29.569
It was, you know, it is hard work. And my children

01:44:29.569 --> 01:44:32.210
and hopefully their children, who is who I wrote

01:44:32.210 --> 01:44:33.729
this book for when I wrote it, I thought it was

01:44:33.729 --> 01:44:35.369
going to be like, I didn't know I was going to

01:44:35.369 --> 01:44:36.869
be here talking about it. I thought it was going

01:44:36.869 --> 01:44:39.229
to be for like my grandkids and my great grandkids

01:44:39.229 --> 01:44:41.149
and things like that, because I wanted them to

01:44:41.149 --> 01:44:46.329
know this stuff. That's hard. It's hard work.

01:44:47.579 --> 01:44:49.880
On the front end of that, the first 20 years

01:44:49.880 --> 01:44:52.579
that you're raising kids, it feels kind of thankless

01:44:52.579 --> 01:44:55.060
sometimes. It feels tough. And you go, what am

01:44:55.060 --> 01:44:57.979
I doing all this for? So my friends are out at

01:44:57.979 --> 01:44:59.000
the concert. Everything feels like that. They're

01:44:59.000 --> 01:45:01.659
partying. Every job feels like that. Yes. So

01:45:01.659 --> 01:45:04.020
when you put in all that hard work and sacrifice

01:45:04.020 --> 01:45:06.479
on the front, now I'm in my mid -40s. My kids

01:45:06.479 --> 01:45:08.979
are all grown. I have children that are like

01:45:08.979 --> 01:45:11.100
in their mid -20s adults. My youngest is in high

01:45:11.100 --> 01:45:14.109
school. I have more time to do other things.

01:45:14.489 --> 01:45:16.550
That's why I said we give women backwards advice.

01:45:16.869 --> 01:45:20.369
We tell them spend all your fertile years building

01:45:20.369 --> 01:45:24.029
an education and a career. And then later, if

01:45:24.029 --> 01:45:25.829
there's time for a family, maybe you can do that

01:45:25.829 --> 01:45:28.649
if you want to be weird. What we should tell

01:45:28.649 --> 01:45:31.630
women, I think, is you can do a lot of things.

01:45:31.710 --> 01:45:34.649
I'm not saying you only have children and you

01:45:34.649 --> 01:45:36.829
never do anything else. And that was never the

01:45:36.829 --> 01:45:40.199
case historically. It was never the case. I had

01:45:40.199 --> 01:45:42.779
my first child at 20. I had my last one at 32.

01:45:43.380 --> 01:45:45.760
I got a lot of living, God willing, you know,

01:45:45.760 --> 01:45:47.739
that I'll be able to do other things. I'm doing

01:45:47.739 --> 01:45:51.100
this now. Once I have grandkids, you'll probably

01:45:51.100 --> 01:45:52.720
never see me again because hopefully I'll be

01:45:52.720 --> 01:45:56.180
doing a lot with that. I'll have time to do things

01:45:56.180 --> 01:45:59.840
for my church, for my community. I could do anything

01:45:59.840 --> 01:46:02.319
I want. I can garden. I can write books. There's

01:46:02.319 --> 01:46:04.319
a million things you could do. And that was always

01:46:04.319 --> 01:46:06.699
the case. This idea that women didn't have choices

01:46:06.699 --> 01:46:10.119
before feminism is nuts. They were writing novels.

01:46:10.359 --> 01:46:12.979
They were supporting themselves, you know, doing

01:46:12.979 --> 01:46:15.279
all kinds of other things. And what's happened

01:46:15.279 --> 01:46:18.140
after feminism is now I think you don't have

01:46:18.140 --> 01:46:21.260
many choices. Because, like, my daughters, my

01:46:21.260 --> 01:46:24.479
second oldest is like, I would love to just get

01:46:24.479 --> 01:46:26.840
married right now and have kids. But, like, how

01:46:26.840 --> 01:46:29.600
do we pay for it? What do I do until I find a

01:46:29.600 --> 01:46:31.659
husband? Like, between 18, say I don't find a

01:46:31.659 --> 01:46:33.800
guy until I'm 23. What do I do for those five

01:46:33.800 --> 01:46:35.500
years? Just stay at home and total my thumbs?

01:46:35.659 --> 01:46:39.039
Like, what do I do? Do I get a job? She feels

01:46:39.039 --> 01:46:41.880
like she doesn't have choices. She would love

01:46:41.880 --> 01:46:44.239
to stay home and have kids. Most of the women

01:46:44.239 --> 01:46:46.819
who write to me are like, I had one lady write

01:46:46.819 --> 01:46:50.319
to me and say, I, ever since I got together with

01:46:50.319 --> 01:46:51.859
my boyfriend and started going to church with

01:46:51.859 --> 01:46:54.659
him, all I can think about day in and day out

01:46:54.659 --> 01:46:57.039
is getting married and having kids. I daydream

01:46:57.039 --> 01:46:59.380
during the day about my future children and I

01:46:59.380 --> 01:47:01.560
dream about them in my dreams at night. That's

01:47:01.560 --> 01:47:04.359
all, everything in me wants to do that. But I'm

01:47:04.359 --> 01:47:06.810
in my last year of dental school. And I have

01:47:06.810 --> 01:47:09.590
all this debt and my parents fully expect me

01:47:09.590 --> 01:47:11.510
to graduate and start a dental practice. And

01:47:11.510 --> 01:47:13.789
if I told them I'm not going to do that, I'm

01:47:13.789 --> 01:47:15.550
just going to stay home and have kids, they would

01:47:15.550 --> 01:47:17.789
lose it. They would probably disown me. They

01:47:17.789 --> 01:47:20.029
would think I'd lost my mind. They would say,

01:47:20.050 --> 01:47:22.590
are you kidding? You can't do that. And I talk

01:47:22.590 --> 01:47:24.510
to women all the time who feel like they're trapped

01:47:24.510 --> 01:47:28.640
that way. And the truth is feminism didn't make

01:47:28.640 --> 01:47:30.760
anything safer for women. It did the opposite.

01:47:31.039 --> 01:47:33.659
If you look at, we have so much data on this,

01:47:33.760 --> 01:47:36.100
cohabitative relationships where you just live

01:47:36.100 --> 01:47:39.140
with your boyfriend have a 35 % higher domestic

01:47:39.140 --> 01:47:43.000
violence rate than married couples. If you look

01:47:43.000 --> 01:47:44.920
at child abuse, there's something called the

01:47:44.920 --> 01:47:47.460
National Incidence Study. I have a whole breakdown

01:47:47.460 --> 01:47:49.840
of this on my Substack, too. It's gone over the

01:47:49.840 --> 01:47:53.000
last 45 years of all the data we have from every

01:47:53.000 --> 01:47:54.760
reporting agency in the country. It's the most

01:47:54.760 --> 01:48:00.300
comprehensive one. For the last 45 years, children

01:48:00.300 --> 01:48:03.939
who live with married biological parents are

01:48:03.939 --> 01:48:07.180
12 times safer on every metric, whether it's

01:48:07.180 --> 01:48:09.340
sexual abuse, physical abuse, emotional abuse,

01:48:09.500 --> 01:48:13.520
neglect. By a factor of 12 times safer than any

01:48:13.520 --> 01:48:16.840
other living situation and kids that come from

01:48:16.840 --> 01:48:20.739
disrupted family living situations like mine,

01:48:20.760 --> 01:48:23.000
where you got divorced parents and like dad's

01:48:23.000 --> 01:48:25.060
got a girlfriend, mom's got a new husband, those

01:48:25.060 --> 01:48:28.859
sort of things. Those are all far, far, far unsafer

01:48:28.859 --> 01:48:30.819
for children on every level that we look at.

01:48:30.939 --> 01:48:33.239
And then if you look at kids from fatherless

01:48:33.239 --> 01:48:38.000
homes, the risk for everything, addiction, learning

01:48:38.000 --> 01:48:41.710
disabilities, mental health problems. ending

01:48:41.710 --> 01:48:45.369
up in a juvenile facility, being homeless. It's

01:48:45.369 --> 01:48:48.149
like between 70 to 85 percent of kids in those

01:48:48.149 --> 01:48:50.810
situations come from fatherless homes. So what

01:48:50.810 --> 01:48:54.289
we've done over the last 50 years is take dads

01:48:54.289 --> 01:48:57.949
and husbands out of the home and replace them

01:48:57.949 --> 01:49:01.729
with the government. And it has made women and

01:49:01.729 --> 01:49:05.739
children more vulnerable to abuse. to abandonment,

01:49:05.739 --> 01:49:07.960
to ending up on welfare, to ending up in any

01:49:07.960 --> 01:49:09.979
number of bad situations that you can think of.

01:49:10.000 --> 01:49:13.079
It didn't protect us. And I think if more women

01:49:13.079 --> 01:49:15.439
knew that, they would at least, you know, give

01:49:15.439 --> 01:49:19.420
it a second thought and be like, hmm, maybe the

01:49:19.420 --> 01:49:21.460
whole getting married and having kids thing isn't

01:49:21.460 --> 01:49:23.520
so terrifying. We don't fearmonger women about

01:49:23.520 --> 01:49:25.600
what can go wrong if you dedicate your whole

01:49:25.600 --> 01:49:28.140
life to a career. You know, we don't tell them,

01:49:28.159 --> 01:49:30.460
well, what if this happens? What if you try to

01:49:30.460 --> 01:49:34.000
be a brain surgeon and then you get Parkinson's

01:49:34.000 --> 01:49:36.079
and you can never work again? What percentage

01:49:36.079 --> 01:49:38.340
of people in this country, families in this country,

01:49:38.399 --> 01:49:40.640
require both parents to work in order to get

01:49:40.640 --> 01:49:44.119
by? Most. Most. So what's the solution to that?

01:49:44.520 --> 01:49:47.560
Well, I think it's not going to be quick. It's

01:49:47.560 --> 01:49:50.250
going to. be a multi -generational project. But

01:49:50.250 --> 01:49:52.229
I think if you give women the choice, I believe

01:49:52.229 --> 01:49:54.090
Simone de Beauvoir when she said that if you

01:49:54.090 --> 01:49:57.310
give women the choice, more and more will choose

01:49:57.310 --> 01:49:59.810
to be moms and stay home at least more. If they

01:49:59.810 --> 01:50:02.130
can't. In this situation we're specifically talking

01:50:02.130 --> 01:50:04.609
about where they require two incomes in order

01:50:04.609 --> 01:50:07.210
to pay the bills. So that was me. So when Andrew

01:50:07.210 --> 01:50:09.850
and I got together and we had two kids of our

01:50:09.850 --> 01:50:12.609
own, we've now got a house full of kids. He's,

01:50:12.609 --> 01:50:16.409
you know, starting his career. He's making OK

01:50:16.409 --> 01:50:19.189
money, but nothing crazy. And we had to, like,

01:50:19.229 --> 01:50:21.510
move out to the country where it's cheaper. We

01:50:21.510 --> 01:50:24.310
had chickens. We had a garden. I had I learned

01:50:24.310 --> 01:50:26.010
how to be a firearms instructor because I could

01:50:26.010 --> 01:50:28.750
teach a class on a Saturday, only be gone for

01:50:28.750 --> 01:50:31.029
one day of the week and make like 2000 bucks.

01:50:31.090 --> 01:50:33.359
So I could make. Like a week's worth of money

01:50:33.359 --> 01:50:36.000
only working one day a week on the day that he's

01:50:36.000 --> 01:50:39.140
home. So like my advice to people, I'm not super

01:50:39.140 --> 01:50:41.739
huge on giving advice because it depends. There's

01:50:41.739 --> 01:50:43.699
a lot going on that I don't know your situation,

01:50:43.859 --> 01:50:46.340
but you have to get creative. Try to find things

01:50:46.340 --> 01:50:49.560
you can do on the side, things you can do from

01:50:49.560 --> 01:50:52.020
home. That was one of the benefits to COVID is

01:50:52.020 --> 01:50:54.819
now something like 30 percent of work is remote

01:50:54.819 --> 01:50:58.060
from homework. If you can do that and kind of.

01:50:58.409 --> 01:51:00.630
structure your day more around the kids and work

01:51:00.630 --> 01:51:02.989
at night maybe when dad's home, things like that.

01:51:03.149 --> 01:51:04.329
That's kind of what you have to do. In an ideal

01:51:04.329 --> 01:51:07.569
situation. In an ideal situation, yeah. I wanted

01:51:07.569 --> 01:51:10.930
to talk about Jack Parsons. Oh, yeah. And all

01:51:10.930 --> 01:51:15.390
the craziness because we had gone over the fact

01:51:15.390 --> 01:51:19.609
that this guy was working for NASA. He was involved

01:51:19.609 --> 01:51:24.029
in rocketry. Yes. And yet he was an avowed Satanist.

01:51:24.130 --> 01:51:27.210
Yes. And he got involved in the whole feminist

01:51:27.210 --> 01:51:30.479
movement. Yeah. Through his girlfriend, Marjorie

01:51:30.479 --> 01:51:33.939
Cameron, who was like an archetype of the Scarlet

01:51:33.939 --> 01:51:36.760
Woman. So Parsons was kind of like he created

01:51:36.760 --> 01:51:40.119
like a kind of an occult cult that was a break

01:51:40.119 --> 01:51:43.859
off from Aleister Crowley and had a lot of Crowleyian

01:51:43.859 --> 01:51:47.829
beliefs. When he met Marjorie Cameron, she was

01:51:47.829 --> 01:51:51.369
like this rebellious redhead who smoked and drank

01:51:51.369 --> 01:51:53.369
and slept around. And like all the Hollywood

01:51:53.369 --> 01:51:56.250
dudes in his circle kind of liked her. A lot

01:51:56.250 --> 01:51:59.850
of his friends slept with her, too. And she was

01:51:59.850 --> 01:52:02.170
very into the occult and she was really into

01:52:02.170 --> 01:52:04.470
like witchcraft and ritual magic. And so was

01:52:04.470 --> 01:52:07.329
he. And so when they met, it was like instant

01:52:07.329 --> 01:52:09.789
chemistry. And the rumor, the legend is that

01:52:09.789 --> 01:52:13.029
they spent like, I don't know, multiple many

01:52:13.029 --> 01:52:15.939
days, even like up to a couple of weeks. nonstop

01:52:15.939 --> 01:52:18.880
doing sex magic together. Like that's all they

01:52:18.880 --> 01:52:21.079
did for a couple of weeks. What's sex magic?

01:52:21.239 --> 01:52:24.899
So according to like Crowley and a lot of these

01:52:24.899 --> 01:52:28.159
kind of like more openly Satanist left hand path

01:52:28.159 --> 01:52:31.279
type of occultism, the sexual experience and

01:52:31.279 --> 01:52:34.920
the orgasm is super powerful because it can channel

01:52:34.920 --> 01:52:36.880
your emotions in a way that nothing else can.

01:52:36.960 --> 01:52:39.159
You get like this big surge of energy and emotion

01:52:39.159 --> 01:52:42.199
that will make whatever spell or ritual you're

01:52:42.199 --> 01:52:45.250
doing more powerful. So Crowley's favorite thing

01:52:45.250 --> 01:52:50.630
to do was sodomize fellas in order to worship

01:52:50.630 --> 01:52:56.789
demons or invoke demons. Yeah, he had he had

01:52:56.789 --> 01:52:59.750
pets. He had dudes that were his little boy,

01:52:59.890 --> 01:53:03.510
his bottoms for his. I need to go. Was Crowley

01:53:03.510 --> 01:53:07.010
gay or bisexual? He was bi. He had a lot of women

01:53:07.010 --> 01:53:08.850
he would do this stuff with, too. But he thought

01:53:08.850 --> 01:53:10.729
that the homosexual stuff, basically the more

01:53:10.729 --> 01:53:14.319
degenerate it is. the more intense it's going

01:53:14.319 --> 01:53:17.199
to make the spell. Oh, boy. So cast spells while

01:53:17.199 --> 01:53:21.699
he's butt fucking. Yeah. And then you add a little

01:53:21.699 --> 01:53:25.520
bit of hallucinogenic drugs in there, too. And

01:53:25.520 --> 01:53:28.060
that's where you really get the good stuff. What

01:53:28.060 --> 01:53:30.279
impact did all these people have on feminism?

01:53:30.779 --> 01:53:34.460
So, I mean, Parsons was also friends with the

01:53:34.460 --> 01:53:38.520
guy who came up with Scientology, Hubbard. And

01:53:38.520 --> 01:53:41.720
they actually fought over Marjorie Cameron for

01:53:41.720 --> 01:53:44.789
a while. When Parsons died because he blew himself

01:53:44.789 --> 01:53:47.010
up, you know, at home working on a rocket, he

01:53:47.010 --> 01:53:50.510
blew himself up. Cameron didn't handle it well.

01:53:50.590 --> 01:53:52.770
She freaked out. She moved out into the desert

01:53:52.770 --> 01:53:55.649
and was and started her own community cult of

01:53:55.649 --> 01:53:59.090
like moon children. So nuts. It's so nuts. She

01:53:59.090 --> 01:54:01.729
specifically recruited like all different races

01:54:01.729 --> 01:54:04.920
of people. Like, she focused on finding dudes

01:54:04.920 --> 01:54:08.500
to impregnate her, supposedly, to make moon children

01:54:08.500 --> 01:54:11.039
who were going to, like, bring the Antichrist.

01:54:11.340 --> 01:54:13.119
And they'd go out into the desert and live on

01:54:13.119 --> 01:54:15.000
this ranch together and do a bunch of peyote.

01:54:15.199 --> 01:54:17.180
And she made, like, art. I have some of her art

01:54:17.180 --> 01:54:20.880
in the book. This crazy, weird -looking, crazy

01:54:20.880 --> 01:54:24.699
art. One of her paintings is called Peyote Vision.

01:54:24.800 --> 01:54:27.539
It's wild. But she was doing all the sex magic

01:54:27.539 --> 01:54:30.319
stuff to try to like reincarnate him, to try

01:54:30.319 --> 01:54:32.020
to bring about the Antichrist. She thought she

01:54:32.020 --> 01:54:33.979
was the Scarlet Woman that was going to be like

01:54:33.979 --> 01:54:36.960
the Antichrist version of Mary, where the Antichrist

01:54:36.960 --> 01:54:39.979
is born through this Scarlet Woman. And it's

01:54:39.979 --> 01:54:43.239
references to Babylon and the end times in the

01:54:43.239 --> 01:54:45.119
Bible and all this stuff, which Crowley did all

01:54:45.119 --> 01:54:47.810
that stuff, too. And she was a feminist icon

01:54:47.810 --> 01:54:51.590
because this stuff goes along with being rebellious.

01:54:52.430 --> 01:54:54.609
There's a reason there's like an archetype of

01:54:54.609 --> 01:54:56.810
feminists, like a stereotype that they're all

01:54:56.810 --> 01:54:59.630
they have daddy issues. They're man haters with

01:54:59.630 --> 01:55:02.090
daddy issues because they kind of are. It's usually

01:55:02.090 --> 01:55:04.289
like they're very against God. They're very against

01:55:04.289 --> 01:55:05.909
their dad. Like, you can't tell me what to do.

01:55:05.949 --> 01:55:07.949
You're not the boss of me. I'm a strong, independent

01:55:07.949 --> 01:55:09.590
woman. I'm going to get what I want, even if

01:55:09.590 --> 01:55:11.430
I have to use my sexuality to do with it. It's

01:55:11.430 --> 01:55:15.130
like a very. recurring theme of using sexuality

01:55:15.130 --> 01:55:18.010
because women don't have the monopoly on force

01:55:18.010 --> 01:55:21.449
men do so what do women have to get power sexuality

01:55:21.449 --> 01:55:24.449
and the power of like determining who gets to

01:55:24.449 --> 01:55:28.510
reproduce did you know that twice we all have

01:55:28.510 --> 01:55:30.630
twice as many female ancestors as we do male

01:55:30.630 --> 01:55:34.869
ancestors no so throughout history genetic studies

01:55:34.869 --> 01:55:37.609
show that twice as many women have been able

01:55:37.609 --> 01:55:41.399
to reproduce as men Because that's where our

01:55:41.399 --> 01:55:44.279
power is. Our power is if you're a fertile female,

01:55:44.439 --> 01:55:46.760
someone's going to fertilize you. You don't have

01:55:46.760 --> 01:55:49.159
to be special or do much. As a man, you have

01:55:49.159 --> 01:55:51.899
to compete. You have to have resources. You have

01:55:51.899 --> 01:55:53.579
to out -compete the other men who are trying

01:55:53.579 --> 01:55:55.359
to get the female pregnant, that sort of thing.

01:55:55.439 --> 01:55:57.619
And a lot of men historically died in battle

01:55:57.619 --> 01:56:00.359
really young or doing dirty or dangerous jobs.

01:56:00.619 --> 01:56:03.260
You know, they died younger a lot of times. Or

01:56:03.260 --> 01:56:05.920
in war. And then you'd have war brides, you know,

01:56:05.920 --> 01:56:07.819
so they'd get impregnated again by, like, the

01:56:07.819 --> 01:56:10.079
enemy who took them back to their homeland, that

01:56:10.079 --> 01:56:13.119
kind of thing. So, yeah, we have this. That's

01:56:13.119 --> 01:56:15.659
where women feel that their power lies is in

01:56:15.659 --> 01:56:19.699
sexuality. That's why every pop star and every

01:56:19.699 --> 01:56:23.279
movie star who's a famous woman, for the most

01:56:23.279 --> 01:56:25.380
part, there's a handful of exceptions, but most

01:56:25.380 --> 01:56:29.300
of them, they'll do anything to stay hot. You

01:56:29.300 --> 01:56:31.420
know, they're trying to be sexy at 70, like...

01:56:32.270 --> 01:56:36.170
Who was that? Jane Fonda. Sexy at 70, sexy at

01:56:36.170 --> 01:56:37.909
80. You know, she's going to be sexy forever.

01:56:38.670 --> 01:56:42.810
Hearing bones crack. Ow, my hip. Yeah. Yeah.

01:56:42.829 --> 01:56:45.289
It was like, I mean, Jennifer Lopez is kind of

01:56:45.289 --> 01:56:47.189
doing that, too. She's had how many husbands

01:56:47.189 --> 01:56:49.590
and engagements and divorces and she's still

01:56:49.590 --> 01:56:52.109
out there in the thong shaking it on Vegas, you

01:56:52.109 --> 01:56:55.310
know, her Vegas shows and stuff. And yeah, she

01:56:55.310 --> 01:56:58.960
looks good. She's got endless money to do endless

01:56:58.960 --> 01:57:01.199
things to look good. Lord knows what they're

01:57:01.199 --> 01:57:04.460
doing. But that's where women think their power

01:57:04.460 --> 01:57:07.380
comes from. So Cameron was like big into pushing

01:57:07.380 --> 01:57:10.960
this into the California like counterculture

01:57:10.960 --> 01:57:13.760
in the 60s. And at the time, this was like, well,

01:57:13.819 --> 01:57:16.020
in the 50s and 60s. So like even people like

01:57:16.020 --> 01:57:18.180
Sammy Davis Jr., who's another guy that said

01:57:18.180 --> 01:57:21.699
he was a Satanist. Sammy Davis Jr. was a Satanist?

01:57:21.880 --> 01:57:24.000
Hanging out with Sinatra? Yeah, that's what he

01:57:24.000 --> 01:57:26.689
said. Now, you wonder sometimes if they just

01:57:26.689 --> 01:57:30.670
say that for shock value. I don't know. Or maybe

01:57:30.670 --> 01:57:33.130
they had fun parties. Oh, they definitely had.

01:57:33.210 --> 01:57:35.329
They were having ditty parties before ditty was

01:57:35.329 --> 01:57:37.729
around. You know what I'm saying? So Cameron

01:57:37.729 --> 01:57:40.689
was the it girl in the counterculture in L .A.

01:57:40.729 --> 01:57:43.029
And her art was really popular and stuff. And

01:57:43.029 --> 01:57:46.149
there's a lot that kind of came out of her popularity

01:57:46.149 --> 01:57:49.619
that went into the mainstream later. in like

01:57:49.619 --> 01:57:52.420
these scarlet women archetypes of like the sexy

01:57:52.420 --> 01:57:55.640
bad girl who's rebellious and is undomesticated

01:57:55.640 --> 01:57:58.619
and unattached you know what i mean and that's

01:57:58.619 --> 01:58:01.239
become the cool girl now for a lot of people

01:58:01.239 --> 01:58:04.979
and that's why like you'll see Celebrities talking

01:58:04.979 --> 01:58:07.079
about, oh, I've had four abortions. Yeah, so

01:58:07.079 --> 01:58:09.380
what? I do what I want. And I'm not going to

01:58:09.380 --> 01:58:12.020
be held down by no man or no baby. I'm going

01:58:12.020 --> 01:58:13.880
to I'm a strong, independent woman out here.

01:58:13.939 --> 01:58:16.899
And I decide, you know, that's what that's why

01:58:16.899 --> 01:58:19.319
you see women screaming about how abortion is

01:58:19.319 --> 01:58:21.060
great. They go to these rallies and they're just

01:58:21.060 --> 01:58:24.619
like screaming the most horrible things. And

01:58:24.619 --> 01:58:28.090
I think. If you convince enough women that motherhood

01:58:28.090 --> 01:58:31.109
and having babies is like this horrific, oppressive

01:58:31.109 --> 01:58:33.210
ball and chain, which is what my mother was convinced

01:58:33.210 --> 01:58:35.729
of. She was totally convinced. She said to me

01:58:35.729 --> 01:58:37.689
once, having children is the worst thing that

01:58:37.689 --> 01:58:40.869
ever happened to me. No offense. She said, no

01:58:40.869 --> 01:58:42.609
offense, but it's the worst thing that ever happened

01:58:42.609 --> 01:58:44.409
to me. And I asked her once, I was like, what

01:58:44.409 --> 01:58:47.630
is it that you would have gone and done if it

01:58:47.630 --> 01:58:50.109
weren't for having kids? She had no idea. She

01:58:50.109 --> 01:58:52.810
had no answer. She just knows that it would have

01:58:52.810 --> 01:58:55.210
been great. You know what I mean? So it's like.

01:58:55.529 --> 01:58:58.050
They use a lot of fear of missing out. Well,

01:58:58.050 --> 01:59:00.270
they get indoctrinated. Yeah. Yeah. And then

01:59:00.270 --> 01:59:02.869
that becomes your primary narrative and you believe

01:59:02.869 --> 01:59:05.829
it no matter what. And you just default to that

01:59:05.829 --> 01:59:08.909
no matter what. Yeah. And all your discomfort

01:59:08.909 --> 01:59:11.130
is because of this thing that you've already

01:59:11.130 --> 01:59:13.750
identified. This is the problem. Patriarchy,

01:59:13.829 --> 01:59:16.630
men. I got saddled down with kids. That's why

01:59:16.630 --> 01:59:19.039
I'm miserable. Not because I'm completely unproductive.

01:59:19.060 --> 01:59:20.939
I don't have a good community. I'm not healthy.

01:59:21.199 --> 01:59:23.619
Right. All of the above. Isn't it weird? Have

01:59:23.619 --> 01:59:25.720
you ever noticed like all the videos women will

01:59:25.720 --> 01:59:28.000
make about how they get a divorce? I just went

01:59:28.000 --> 01:59:30.619
through my divorce and then I had a post -divorce

01:59:30.619 --> 01:59:33.840
glow up. They lose 40 pounds. They get in shape.

01:59:34.020 --> 01:59:36.399
They get their hair done. Maybe get a little

01:59:36.399 --> 01:59:38.640
plastic surgery, a little Botox, a little filler.

01:59:38.699 --> 01:59:40.159
And they're like, look at me now. And it's like,

01:59:40.220 --> 01:59:42.539
if you had done that while you were married,

01:59:42.760 --> 01:59:45.000
you'd probably still be married and having a

01:59:45.000 --> 01:59:47.670
great time with your husband. Perhaps the husband's

01:59:47.670 --> 01:59:50.369
a fucking loser. Sometimes. A lot. That happens.

01:59:50.489 --> 01:59:52.409
There's a lot of losers out there. There's a

01:59:52.409 --> 01:59:54.310
lot of guys I wouldn't want to hitch my wagon

01:59:54.310 --> 01:59:56.909
to. That's true. If I was a woman, like count

01:59:56.909 --> 01:59:59.229
on this fucking dipshit to figure things out.

01:59:59.350 --> 02:00:02.489
I think that's the other result of the sexual

02:00:02.489 --> 02:00:05.729
liberation stuff, though, is like what motivation

02:00:05.729 --> 02:00:09.369
do men have to be like good, dependable, upstanding

02:00:09.369 --> 02:00:13.489
providers when they can just sleep around and

02:00:13.489 --> 02:00:17.470
be. Fuck boys and losers and idiots. That's where

02:00:17.470 --> 02:00:20.130
the dating apps are so crazy. It's so crazy.

02:00:20.170 --> 02:00:21.930
Like you're on a date. Someone says one thing

02:00:21.930 --> 02:00:23.649
you don't like. Like, let me just pick up my

02:00:23.649 --> 02:00:25.750
phone and see who else is around. Yeah. It's

02:00:25.750 --> 02:00:28.229
crazy that so many people are on those things.

02:00:28.310 --> 02:00:31.020
And you're just like constantly. inundated by

02:00:31.020 --> 02:00:33.880
options. I've never been on a dating app. It's

02:00:33.880 --> 02:00:35.779
one of my biggest flexes in life. Never been

02:00:35.779 --> 02:00:38.960
on a dating app. I've been with Andrew for almost

02:00:38.960 --> 02:00:41.920
two decades now. So it's like I miss that whole

02:00:41.920 --> 02:00:43.859
thing. I feel like I caught the last chopper

02:00:43.859 --> 02:00:46.239
out of Nam. I have some friends that met wonderful

02:00:46.239 --> 02:00:48.819
people on dating apps. Like I have a good buddy

02:00:48.819 --> 02:00:51.239
of mine who met his girl on a dating app and

02:00:51.239 --> 02:00:53.000
he loves her and they have a great relationship.

02:00:54.060 --> 02:00:57.060
It can happen. It's just people that you don't

02:00:57.060 --> 02:00:59.279
want to go to a bar. That's not the type of people

02:00:59.279 --> 02:01:00.960
you want to meet in the first place. How do you

02:01:00.960 --> 02:01:03.399
find them? And they have certain dating apps

02:01:03.399 --> 02:01:06.399
that are more selective, I guess, about what

02:01:06.399 --> 02:01:08.779
are you into. Try to pair someone up who's like

02:01:08.779 --> 02:01:11.460
-minded. If you're alone and you're busy with

02:01:11.460 --> 02:01:13.119
other stuff and you find it very hard to meet

02:01:13.119 --> 02:01:14.859
someone, I would imagine it's really interesting.

02:01:15.449 --> 02:01:19.470
But then also, if you're a young person and you're

02:01:19.470 --> 02:01:21.609
just trying to bang it out out there on the streets

02:01:21.609 --> 02:01:25.569
and, you know, you got 14 people hitting your

02:01:25.569 --> 02:01:28.550
inbox and pictures of your abs and your fucking

02:01:28.550 --> 02:01:31.430
flexing or whatever it is, you know, like that

02:01:31.430 --> 02:01:34.810
is chaos. And I don't think people are supposed

02:01:34.810 --> 02:01:37.149
to have those kind of options. No, you didn't.

02:01:37.420 --> 02:01:39.500
You never did historically. It's only been like

02:01:39.500 --> 02:01:42.899
15 years. It used to be your area where you live.

02:01:43.079 --> 02:01:45.199
Those were the people to choose from. And you'd

02:01:45.199 --> 02:01:49.380
find the best person for you in that. I interviewed

02:01:49.380 --> 02:01:51.279
my grandma on my YouTube channel when she was

02:01:51.279 --> 02:01:54.520
97. And I asked her, when you and Aunt Thelma,

02:01:54.699 --> 02:01:58.619
when Thelma and Lois were looking for husbands

02:01:58.619 --> 02:02:02.159
in the early 40s, what were the things you guys

02:02:02.159 --> 02:02:04.039
were looking for? What did you think about when

02:02:04.039 --> 02:02:06.399
you were looking for a guy? She's like, oh, well,

02:02:06.460 --> 02:02:08.319
we. You know, he had to have a good reputation.

02:02:08.659 --> 02:02:11.079
He had to come from a nice family, you know,

02:02:11.119 --> 02:02:12.399
because you're going to you know, when you marry

02:02:12.399 --> 02:02:14.239
a guy, you marry his family. So you got to think

02:02:14.239 --> 02:02:17.159
about that. I wanted him to go to like the same

02:02:17.159 --> 02:02:19.720
type of church as me and believe the same things.

02:02:19.840 --> 02:02:22.720
And he had to, you know, have good job prospects,

02:02:23.039 --> 02:02:25.619
you know, a good future prospects because, you

02:02:25.619 --> 02:02:28.380
know, you want to raise a family and and those

02:02:28.380 --> 02:02:31.180
sort of things. She did not say six foot, six

02:02:31.180 --> 02:02:34.800
pack or six figures. None of that came up. It

02:02:34.800 --> 02:02:37.869
was all like. pretty wholesome and very like

02:02:37.869 --> 02:02:40.250
long term minded. Do you know what I mean? Right.

02:02:40.369 --> 02:02:43.350
But she's thinking of the future. I don't feel

02:02:43.350 --> 02:02:45.310
like I don't even feel like I did that. I feel

02:02:45.310 --> 02:02:47.149
like when I was young, I was stupid and I was

02:02:47.149 --> 02:02:48.750
like, he's cute and funny. That's good enough

02:02:48.750 --> 02:02:51.949
for me. You know? Well, it's like it's there's

02:02:51.949 --> 02:02:55.989
normal preferences that people have like to big,

02:02:56.069 --> 02:02:59.949
tall guys, fit people, wealthy people as the

02:02:59.949 --> 02:03:03.760
normal things. But it's like. The thing about

02:03:03.760 --> 02:03:06.939
today and all the options is not just that. It's

02:03:06.939 --> 02:03:09.359
all the performative stuff that people do consistently

02:03:09.359 --> 02:03:13.279
and constantly online. So then you're also looking

02:03:13.279 --> 02:03:16.239
for positive feedback from strangers constantly.

02:03:16.520 --> 02:03:20.000
And then you're also reflecting on negative feedback

02:03:20.000 --> 02:03:23.699
from strangers constantly. So kids today are

02:03:23.699 --> 02:03:27.319
just overwhelmed, drowning in anxiety because

02:03:27.319 --> 02:03:30.760
they're addicted to this. feedback and this this

02:03:30.760 --> 02:03:32.840
thing where they're always pretending to be someone

02:03:32.840 --> 02:03:35.159
they're not online and they're using filters

02:03:35.159 --> 02:03:38.520
and cars that they leased and you know yeah it's

02:03:38.520 --> 02:03:41.439
very strange yeah i have four girls and i made

02:03:41.439 --> 02:03:44.020
a point to always show that like i'll show them

02:03:44.020 --> 02:03:48.199
before and afters of the kardashians i'll show

02:03:48.199 --> 02:03:52.079
them here's kylie jenner before all the like

02:03:52.079 --> 02:03:54.720
probably hundreds of thousands of dollars worth

02:03:54.720 --> 02:03:57.260
of work that she's had done in professional stylists

02:03:57.260 --> 02:04:00.239
and trainers and All the facial augmentations

02:04:00.239 --> 02:04:01.979
and all the different things that they get done.

02:04:02.140 --> 02:04:04.220
Here's what she looked like. Just any normal

02:04:04.220 --> 02:04:07.079
girl from your junior high. The only reason she

02:04:07.079 --> 02:04:09.539
looks like this now. And on top of all the work

02:04:09.539 --> 02:04:12.199
and everything else, there's filters and there's

02:04:12.199 --> 02:04:14.720
apps that they edit everything with. And I'm

02:04:14.720 --> 02:04:17.699
like, this isn't real. Right. Because I remember

02:04:17.699 --> 02:04:19.800
growing up in the 90s. I don't ever remember

02:04:19.800 --> 02:04:23.149
thinking a whole lot about. What my butt looked

02:04:23.149 --> 02:04:26.010
like. If my nose was too big. Like, all the things

02:04:26.010 --> 02:04:28.970
that they hype. These girls, like, pick themselves

02:04:28.970 --> 02:04:32.250
apart today. Yeah. It's terrifying. It's, like,

02:04:32.270 --> 02:04:33.869
heartbreaking. I think boys do the same thing.

02:04:34.010 --> 02:04:36.770
They're like, I'm short. It's over for me. I

02:04:36.770 --> 02:04:38.670
might as well self -delete. I'll never be anything

02:04:38.670 --> 02:04:40.770
because I'm short. Well, what percentage of guys

02:04:40.770 --> 02:04:43.270
are incels today? It's kind of nuts. It's pretty

02:04:43.270 --> 02:04:46.289
high. It's really high. Like, there was a percentage

02:04:46.289 --> 02:04:49.590
of men that don't have any sex at all right now.

02:04:50.189 --> 02:04:52.390
And it's nuts. But it's that thing. It's like

02:04:52.390 --> 02:04:56.210
20 percent of the men are desirable to 100 percent

02:04:56.210 --> 02:04:58.550
of the women. Right. Those 80 percent of guys

02:04:58.550 --> 02:05:03.449
are fucked. Yes. Yeah. I don't I don't know what

02:05:03.449 --> 02:05:05.550
we do about that. I don't have a great answer

02:05:05.550 --> 02:05:08.649
for that. I've tried kind of like talking like

02:05:08.649 --> 02:05:10.609
I'll go on the whatever podcast once in a while

02:05:10.609 --> 02:05:12.909
and kind of like ask girls probing questions

02:05:12.909 --> 02:05:16.430
about that. Do you think it's possible that you

02:05:16.430 --> 02:05:19.250
could be missing it? Like if you're 22 and you

02:05:19.250 --> 02:05:21.270
won't date a guy because he only makes 50 grand

02:05:21.270 --> 02:05:23.449
a year, it's like, yeah, well, my husband only

02:05:23.449 --> 02:05:25.789
made 40 grand a year when we met, but he makes

02:05:25.789 --> 02:05:28.369
way more than that now. Like you used to grow

02:05:28.369 --> 02:05:31.350
together and having a family really motivates

02:05:31.350 --> 02:05:33.970
a man to like hustle and grow whatever it is

02:05:33.970 --> 02:05:36.710
that he's doing and try to be better. But it's

02:05:36.710 --> 02:05:38.449
like if you're 22 and you're like, I won't even

02:05:38.449 --> 02:05:41.210
look at you unless you make six figures. You're

02:05:41.210 --> 02:05:43.590
missing out on a ton of great guys. And it's

02:05:43.590 --> 02:05:46.029
like, what exactly do you want? What are you

02:05:46.029 --> 02:05:47.789
looking for? And they don't even know. Well,

02:05:47.850 --> 02:05:50.689
they're kind of programmed towards hypergamy

02:05:50.689 --> 02:05:53.050
today, right? It seems like they're programmed

02:05:53.050 --> 02:05:56.489
to go after the super successful, hyper successful

02:05:56.489 --> 02:05:59.409
people and not think, oh, I'm developing a relationship

02:05:59.409 --> 02:06:01.470
with a man and we're going to grow together.

02:06:01.750 --> 02:06:05.560
Yeah. And they have. This is true. We know there's

02:06:05.560 --> 02:06:07.520
problems with men, but we talk all the time about

02:06:07.520 --> 02:06:10.039
problems with men. And I think what we tell women

02:06:10.039 --> 02:06:13.500
is you're perfect how you are. You are a goddess,

02:06:13.699 --> 02:06:16.180
girl, and you don't have to change for anybody.

02:06:17.000 --> 02:06:19.140
That's what we tell women. But then how many

02:06:19.140 --> 02:06:23.300
of those women are now on Ozempic? That was crazy.

02:06:23.560 --> 02:06:27.180
All the body positivity women are all like 120

02:06:27.180 --> 02:06:29.460
pounds now. They look like they're making weight

02:06:29.460 --> 02:06:32.539
at the UFC. Yeah, all the fat is beautiful influencers

02:06:32.539 --> 02:06:36.359
are now just like. Skeletons. Yes. It's so fucking

02:06:36.359 --> 02:06:38.079
strange. Kind of gave the game away. You see

02:06:38.079 --> 02:06:40.460
like Kelly Osbourne on TV. God bless her soul.

02:06:40.600 --> 02:06:42.439
I don't know if she's doing that, but I know

02:06:42.439 --> 02:06:44.380
a lot of them, they just get so thin. Meghan

02:06:44.380 --> 02:06:47.159
Trainor. Meghan Trainor got popular on a song

02:06:47.159 --> 02:06:49.159
about being a little bit chunky and having a

02:06:49.159 --> 02:06:51.060
big butt and that boys actually like that better.

02:06:51.140 --> 02:06:53.760
And the minute she can get a GLP -1, she's like,

02:06:53.819 --> 02:06:56.380
never mind. I'm going to be skinny now. A lot

02:06:56.380 --> 02:06:58.140
of people did it. A lot of people did it. Lizzo

02:06:58.140 --> 02:07:03.479
did it. Yeah. But it's... This thing I always

02:07:03.479 --> 02:07:05.180
say to men, you know, when they tell me like,

02:07:05.260 --> 02:07:07.239
oh, I don't want to work out. I don't want to

02:07:07.239 --> 02:07:08.720
do any of those things. Why do you do it? Why

02:07:08.720 --> 02:07:09.960
do you waste all your time doing that? I go,

02:07:09.979 --> 02:07:12.159
if I could give you a pill that could make you

02:07:12.159 --> 02:07:14.939
really strong, like instantaneously really strong

02:07:14.939 --> 02:07:17.640
and able to like strangle men, like you could

02:07:17.640 --> 02:07:19.640
kill people with your bare hands. You wouldn't

02:07:19.640 --> 02:07:22.140
take it? Do you want to be vulnerable? Do you

02:07:22.140 --> 02:07:24.359
like it? Well, there's no pill. But if you just

02:07:24.359 --> 02:07:26.960
work, you can become that. You can become a different

02:07:26.960 --> 02:07:30.569
type of man. Yeah. Like that's possible. But

02:07:30.569 --> 02:07:32.229
you don't want to do it. So you want to dismiss

02:07:32.229 --> 02:07:34.289
it as being silly. Well, why would it be silly

02:07:34.289 --> 02:07:38.159
to have power? It's to have strength, to have

02:07:38.159 --> 02:07:40.680
a physical body that can like move things around

02:07:40.680 --> 02:07:44.199
easier, that can hold people down if you have

02:07:44.199 --> 02:07:46.420
to. If there's something terribly wrong, you

02:07:46.420 --> 02:07:47.920
can defend yourself. Why would you not want to

02:07:47.920 --> 02:07:51.140
have that? Well, everybody wants that. It's just

02:07:51.140 --> 02:07:54.140
it's an incredibly long path to get there. So

02:07:54.140 --> 02:07:55.680
they're fucking scared of it. So they dismiss

02:07:55.680 --> 02:07:58.100
it. Yeah. It's the same thing as raising kids.

02:07:58.119 --> 02:08:02.199
Right. It's like so I lifted weights for. Uh,

02:08:02.319 --> 02:08:04.659
it's been like 18 years and there were periods

02:08:04.659 --> 02:08:06.619
where I was really lean and I looked fantastic.

02:08:06.779 --> 02:08:08.680
And then there were periods where like I, and

02:08:08.680 --> 02:08:10.659
I lifted all through my pregnancies and everything.

02:08:10.720 --> 02:08:13.520
Thank God. And I highly recommend it because

02:08:13.520 --> 02:08:16.680
if you don't want to have like a lot of the complications

02:08:16.680 --> 02:08:18.899
you can have post -pregnancy, like pelvic floor

02:08:18.899 --> 02:08:22.699
issues, birthing issues, get really strong and

02:08:22.699 --> 02:08:26.119
squat heavy, be able to do some heavy deadlifts

02:08:26.119 --> 02:08:28.619
and stuff, all that. stays really strong and

02:08:28.619 --> 02:08:30.659
it really helps with your health. I had a doctor

02:08:30.659 --> 02:08:32.699
that told me I wasn't going to walk again after

02:08:32.699 --> 02:08:35.140
my fourth baby because my pelvic bone separated

02:08:35.140 --> 02:08:37.220
when I birthed her. You're not going to be able

02:08:37.220 --> 02:08:38.460
to walk again? Yeah, she was like, you should

02:08:38.460 --> 02:08:41.140
just get a walker. Oh my God. You're not going

02:08:41.140 --> 02:08:43.020
to be able to do much. That lady was so callous.

02:08:43.020 --> 02:08:45.060
I know, I was like. That's so crazy. There's

02:08:45.060 --> 02:08:47.500
no rehab. There's nothing you could do. By that

02:08:47.500 --> 02:08:49.720
time, I knew that most doctors give you advice

02:08:49.720 --> 02:08:53.020
based on. They don't want to get sued. She doesn't

02:08:53.020 --> 02:08:54.720
want to tell me to go squat because what if I

02:08:54.720 --> 02:08:56.399
hurt myself and then it's her fault. It's so

02:08:56.399 --> 02:08:58.939
funny. So I just went right back to I'm just

02:08:58.939 --> 02:09:01.680
going to start with like literally lifting my

02:09:01.680 --> 02:09:04.100
legs in bed. And then I progress. And now I've

02:09:04.100 --> 02:09:05.939
got nothing wrong with me. I'm super strong.

02:09:06.039 --> 02:09:09.260
I'm fine. But it's the best thing to do. And

02:09:09.260 --> 02:09:11.000
through all those years of lifting, even when

02:09:11.000 --> 02:09:12.819
I was a little too chunky, like after my son

02:09:12.819 --> 02:09:15.340
passed away, I gained a lot of weight. I could

02:09:15.340 --> 02:09:17.819
not care about myself for a couple of years.

02:09:17.899 --> 02:09:20.880
I just couldn't bring myself to do it. But I

02:09:20.880 --> 02:09:22.979
still went to the gym because it kept me sane.

02:09:23.119 --> 02:09:27.279
It did more for me mentally than therapy or anything

02:09:27.279 --> 02:09:29.159
else other than prayer. I would say prayer would

02:09:29.159 --> 02:09:30.899
be the number one thing. Gym, a close second.

02:09:31.420 --> 02:09:34.279
It was a really great way to battle out all of

02:09:34.279 --> 02:09:36.560
the really strong, crazy emotions that I had.

02:09:36.819 --> 02:09:40.260
Just one more rep. Until you're so tired that

02:09:40.260 --> 02:09:42.380
it's like a lot of the bad feelings and stuff

02:09:42.380 --> 02:09:45.239
you have, you have some clarity and you can kind

02:09:45.239 --> 02:09:48.000
of figure it out. You know what I mean? That's

02:09:48.000 --> 02:09:50.960
one thing that I think would be a good way to

02:09:50.960 --> 02:09:54.140
develop more men is to encourage them into doing

02:09:54.140 --> 02:09:57.359
difficult things. Yes. And difficult, hard work.

02:09:57.760 --> 02:09:59.979
And specifically physical things because I think

02:09:59.979 --> 02:10:02.560
your body has a certain amount of requirements

02:10:02.560 --> 02:10:06.100
in order to maintain like a stable level of anxiety

02:10:06.100 --> 02:10:09.600
and mental health. Yeah. I think it's a giant

02:10:09.600 --> 02:10:11.739
– I know it's a giant factor because when I take

02:10:11.739 --> 02:10:13.359
a few days off, if there's something wrong, if

02:10:13.359 --> 02:10:14.880
I get hurt or something like that, I start getting

02:10:14.880 --> 02:10:16.739
batty. Me too. And I'm like, oh, this is like

02:10:16.739 --> 02:10:19.600
most people most of the time. Like that's a terrible

02:10:19.600 --> 02:10:22.399
way to live your life. Yeah. Andrew knows. If

02:10:22.399 --> 02:10:26.020
I'm – out of sorts like that he's like the gym

02:10:26.020 --> 02:10:27.680
you haven't been to the gym and like we just

02:10:27.680 --> 02:10:30.300
moved across the country and it was like it's

02:10:30.300 --> 02:10:32.100
there's so much that goes into doing that especially

02:10:32.100 --> 02:10:34.100
when he has a business and everything and there's

02:10:34.100 --> 02:10:36.680
kids and so it was like the longest I've taken

02:10:36.680 --> 02:10:40.760
off ever I want to say Like even with kids and

02:10:40.760 --> 02:10:42.720
surgeries, I didn't have to take off that long.

02:10:42.960 --> 02:10:45.100
And we finally got the home gym put in. He's

02:10:45.100 --> 02:10:46.939
like, oh, you're normal again. Great. You're

02:10:46.939 --> 02:10:49.880
mentally balanced again. It's great for women,

02:10:49.920 --> 02:10:51.680
too. If you're a woman that struggles with depression

02:10:51.680 --> 02:10:54.279
and anxiety, try pushing yourself really hard

02:10:54.279 --> 02:10:55.880
in the gym and you'll find out what you're made

02:10:55.880 --> 02:10:57.560
of. It doesn't mean you have to be stronger than

02:10:57.560 --> 02:10:59.729
dudes. It doesn't. You're not going to. Get huge

02:10:59.729 --> 02:11:01.890
muscles because you don't have enough testosterone

02:11:01.890 --> 02:11:03.909
to do that unless you're taking gear or something.

02:11:04.229 --> 02:11:06.569
But get in there and work out. And then you have

02:11:06.569 --> 02:11:08.510
the added benefit of it's going to help you through

02:11:08.510 --> 02:11:11.430
childbirth and pregnancy. As you get older, you're

02:11:11.430 --> 02:11:14.130
not going to be fragile and need your kids to

02:11:14.130 --> 02:11:16.289
take care of you all the time. You know what

02:11:16.289 --> 02:11:18.550
I mean? Like my parents both have terrible health

02:11:18.550 --> 02:11:20.810
and I want to avoid that. So I'm trying to be

02:11:20.810 --> 02:11:23.130
like really proactive about keeping myself healthy,

02:11:23.229 --> 02:11:25.310
avoiding heart disease, diabetes, all these things

02:11:25.310 --> 02:11:28.460
so that my kids don't have to. have a power of

02:11:28.460 --> 02:11:30.600
attorney and take care of me right you know right

02:11:30.600 --> 02:11:33.600
um is there anything else you want to cover in

02:11:33.600 --> 02:11:36.800
the book because uh it's a it's a really i didn't

02:11:36.800 --> 02:11:40.399
read it i listened to it the guy who's reading

02:11:40.399 --> 02:11:44.920
it was um a very odd voice it's very odd i really

02:11:44.920 --> 02:11:48.779
wish you read it i want my husband to narrate

02:11:48.779 --> 02:11:51.239
it i've asked multiple other people to narrate

02:11:51.239 --> 02:11:53.199
it and i can't get anybody to do it i would love

02:11:53.199 --> 02:11:56.159
to do a reproduction he actually did that for

02:11:56.159 --> 02:11:58.560
free Because he thought it was he was like, this

02:11:58.560 --> 02:12:01.439
book is so important. I'm happy to do it. He

02:12:01.439 --> 02:12:03.380
just sounds like he has a bit of a sinus infection.

02:12:03.380 --> 02:12:05.659
Yeah. He's got an odd voice. Yeah. Which is fine.

02:12:05.800 --> 02:12:08.319
But it's just like it's the the information is

02:12:08.319 --> 02:12:11.020
very fascinating. But I just I always wish people

02:12:11.020 --> 02:12:15.199
read their own book in audio. Yeah. You know

02:12:15.199 --> 02:12:18.760
why I didn't? Because I think I sound like. Lois

02:12:18.760 --> 02:12:23.060
Griffin and Sarah Palin had a baby. And I don't

02:12:23.060 --> 02:12:25.359
know that anybody wants to listen to hours of

02:12:25.359 --> 02:12:27.140
my voice. They do. I'm sure they do. They're

02:12:27.140 --> 02:12:29.020
listening to it right now. Maybe I'll do it.

02:12:29.420 --> 02:12:31.619
It's all in your own head. Well, I have this

02:12:31.619 --> 02:12:34.220
upper Midwest like old guy, you know. That's

02:12:34.220 --> 02:12:36.640
fine. You're from the upper Midwest. It doesn't

02:12:36.640 --> 02:12:39.739
matter. But the point is it's like it's interesting

02:12:39.739 --> 02:12:42.960
because this is your work. It's your perspective,

02:12:43.159 --> 02:12:48.659
you know. Yeah. It's really good. There's a lot.

02:12:48.779 --> 02:12:51.079
I'd say if I got to say anything else about it,

02:12:51.199 --> 02:12:55.380
I did not write this book, nor do I talk about

02:12:55.380 --> 02:12:57.520
these things or debate feminists because I hate

02:12:57.520 --> 02:13:01.420
women. I do not hate women. I love women. I'm

02:13:01.420 --> 02:13:03.979
a woman. I have daughters. I have women in my

02:13:03.979 --> 02:13:06.880
life that I love. And that's a crazy narrative.

02:13:07.060 --> 02:13:09.479
Yeah. Well, and people think they'll say, like,

02:13:09.560 --> 02:13:11.979
why do women act so crazy nowadays? Why are they

02:13:11.979 --> 02:13:14.100
also crazy? And it's like, what do you think

02:13:14.100 --> 02:13:16.260
would happen if you took any group of humans

02:13:16.260 --> 02:13:18.779
and you said you are perfect the way you are?

02:13:18.800 --> 02:13:20.539
You are a goddess. You are strong, independent,

02:13:20.800 --> 02:13:23.399
whatever you are. You don't need to change. There's

02:13:23.399 --> 02:13:25.880
nothing to be improved upon. And if if you do

02:13:25.880 --> 02:13:28.300
something wrong, it's only because a man somewhere.

02:13:29.439 --> 02:13:31.539
hurt you or did something bad. And that's the

02:13:31.539 --> 02:13:34.159
only reason that you would like we've removed

02:13:34.159 --> 02:13:37.699
accountability. We've given women more power

02:13:37.699 --> 02:13:39.800
than the balance. I think there was a balance

02:13:39.800 --> 02:13:42.460
already before feminism because you had women

02:13:42.460 --> 02:13:46.100
with the power over reproduction and mate selection

02:13:46.100 --> 02:13:50.539
and sexuality and motherhood and all the influence

02:13:50.539 --> 02:13:52.939
they have over men through those things. And

02:13:52.939 --> 02:13:55.460
then you had men with the monopoly on physical

02:13:55.460 --> 02:13:58.539
force and probably like political force and things

02:13:58.539 --> 02:14:01.189
like that. So there was kind of a balance. And

02:14:01.189 --> 02:14:03.409
what we did with feminism was we just completely

02:14:03.409 --> 02:14:06.010
threw it off. And now we're like, no, men, you

02:14:06.010 --> 02:14:08.289
stay down. You be quiet. You're toxic. You're

02:14:08.289 --> 02:14:11.409
bad. Like schools, public schools are terrible

02:14:11.409 --> 02:14:14.630
for boys. Sit down. Be quiet. Be like Susie.

02:14:14.850 --> 02:14:17.069
Just use the highlighter and organize things

02:14:17.069 --> 02:14:20.250
by color and be quiet and still and soft and

02:14:20.250 --> 02:14:25.649
nice. We HR manage boys to death now. And so

02:14:25.649 --> 02:14:27.829
we've thrown the balance off. And what we've

02:14:27.829 --> 02:14:30.109
done is give women all this power, but taken

02:14:30.109 --> 02:14:32.149
away all the accountability. And it's like, why

02:14:32.149 --> 02:14:34.470
would you not expect them to act a little crazy?

02:14:34.630 --> 02:14:38.689
Why would it not kind of spoil them? And I don't

02:14:38.689 --> 02:14:40.590
think women are inherently bad. I think what

02:14:40.590 --> 02:14:44.949
feminism has done has made them. a worse version

02:14:44.949 --> 02:14:47.949
of who they would be otherwise. I think we need

02:14:47.949 --> 02:14:50.130
accountability and responsibility. We need to

02:14:50.130 --> 02:14:52.529
have some self -sacrifice in life. We need to

02:14:52.529 --> 02:14:56.390
have the same inherent human struggle that men

02:14:56.390 --> 02:14:59.010
have and that all all people have had. And we

02:14:59.010 --> 02:15:01.210
we did before. So every time you look in history,

02:15:01.329 --> 02:15:03.449
this is a key thing. If you are arguing with

02:15:03.449 --> 02:15:05.369
feminists, you're looking at history and they

02:15:05.369 --> 02:15:07.409
say, look at this horrible thing. Women couldn't

02:15:07.409 --> 02:15:09.989
have this or women didn't do that or there was

02:15:09.989 --> 02:15:13.180
stigma around this. Ask yourself. Was that also

02:15:13.180 --> 02:15:16.300
true for men? Because it always is. It always

02:15:16.300 --> 02:15:20.159
is. Men didn't have this glorious, carefree existence,

02:15:20.380 --> 02:15:22.340
free of responsibility, where they had all the

02:15:22.340 --> 02:15:24.039
power and control, but none of the accountability.

02:15:24.319 --> 02:15:27.439
That's a lie. That's a myth. But we've convinced

02:15:27.439 --> 02:15:29.520
women of that. So now we're trying to flip it

02:15:29.520 --> 02:15:31.760
the other way. And yeah, women are acting crazy.

02:15:32.329 --> 02:15:34.289
We have Bonnie Blue and we have like all these

02:15:34.289 --> 02:15:37.189
crazy OnlyFans girls and like the only women

02:15:37.189 --> 02:15:39.590
online besides me and a handful of others are

02:15:39.590 --> 02:15:42.550
boss babes and OnlyFans chicks and Instagram

02:15:42.550 --> 02:15:44.970
models and blue haired screeching feminists.

02:15:45.829 --> 02:15:48.470
That's what we ended up with. So it's like I

02:15:48.470 --> 02:15:52.329
wrote it because I think feminism is bad for

02:15:52.329 --> 02:15:54.550
women and I think it would help. I think it's

02:15:54.550 --> 02:15:58.210
bad for everyone and kids. I am no longer willing

02:15:58.210 --> 02:16:01.149
to sacrifice the welfare of children on the altar

02:16:01.149 --> 02:16:04.520
of feminism. Ever again, I won't do it. And if

02:16:04.520 --> 02:16:08.159
you want me to throw kids under the bus so that

02:16:08.159 --> 02:16:10.800
women can do blah, I don't care what it is. I'm

02:16:10.800 --> 02:16:13.060
not going to do it. I want to see kids growing

02:16:13.060 --> 02:16:16.600
up in loving families with both their parents.

02:16:16.760 --> 02:16:19.140
I want to see community again. I want to see

02:16:19.140 --> 02:16:22.439
families again. All the great stuff that we all

02:16:22.439 --> 02:16:25.239
lost from that, the loneliness epidemic, all

02:16:25.239 --> 02:16:28.380
the depression and the anxiety. Women have higher

02:16:28.380 --> 02:16:31.359
rates of substance abuse than... ever in recorded

02:16:31.359 --> 02:16:34.579
history right now. Don't men also have higher

02:16:34.579 --> 02:16:35.879
rates of substance abuse? No, it's actually stayed

02:16:35.879 --> 02:16:39.100
pretty static with men. In fact, like Gen Z boys

02:16:39.100 --> 02:16:42.920
hardly ever drink. Like the marijuana I think

02:16:42.920 --> 02:16:44.639
they use more. But what about opioid addiction?

02:16:44.819 --> 02:16:49.299
The opioid epidemic is pretty much both because

02:16:49.299 --> 02:16:51.059
I think it's kind of medically based. A lot of

02:16:51.059 --> 02:16:53.360
people get something, you know, surgery or whatever.

02:16:53.739 --> 02:16:55.020
And then they get hooked. Yeah, and they get

02:16:55.020 --> 02:16:56.340
hooked on it and then they got to go looking

02:16:56.340 --> 02:16:59.639
for it elsewhere. But women, we've never seen

02:17:00.200 --> 02:17:02.700
as high a rate of fetal alcohol syndrome in babies

02:17:02.700 --> 02:17:05.379
as we're seeing now. And alcoholism is much worse

02:17:05.379 --> 02:17:07.579
for women. Our bodies are smaller. Our livers

02:17:07.579 --> 02:17:10.700
don't handle toxic amounts of alcohol even as

02:17:10.700 --> 02:17:12.860
well as a man's. It's bad for men. It's even

02:17:12.860 --> 02:17:16.979
worse for women. 26 % of American women are on

02:17:16.979 --> 02:17:20.459
at least one psychiatric prescription drug. Yeah.

02:17:20.680 --> 02:17:23.559
That's nuts. That's nuts. And they did something.

02:17:23.799 --> 02:17:27.489
In my book, I covered the... A big study called

02:17:27.489 --> 02:17:30.370
The Paradox of Female Happiness. And this came

02:17:30.370 --> 02:17:32.629
out in 2008, I think, and it made huge waves

02:17:32.629 --> 02:17:37.709
where they did this giant survey of women. They

02:17:37.709 --> 02:17:39.549
had done one in the 70s and they were repeating

02:17:39.549 --> 02:17:42.579
it. you know, 40 something years later to see

02:17:42.579 --> 02:17:44.920
like, OK, we've had a lot of feminism. Are women

02:17:44.920 --> 02:17:47.440
doing better? And on every metric they measured,

02:17:47.620 --> 02:17:50.639
women reported being less fulfilled, less happy

02:17:50.639 --> 02:17:53.620
and less content than they did in the 70s before

02:17:53.620 --> 02:17:57.260
they were like fully liberated. And they give

02:17:57.260 --> 02:17:59.680
a lot of reasons as to why, you know, the burden

02:17:59.680 --> 02:18:03.899
of having to juggle work and home and the expectations

02:18:03.899 --> 02:18:07.200
of versus reality of what feminism sold them

02:18:07.200 --> 02:18:09.579
and things like that. And then they did a repeat

02:18:09.579 --> 02:18:11.840
study several years later that was even more

02:18:11.840 --> 02:18:13.760
comprehensive where they went to other countries

02:18:13.760 --> 02:18:16.879
and other societies and different types of places

02:18:16.879 --> 02:18:19.680
and did another survey about women's happiness

02:18:19.680 --> 02:18:21.940
because now feminism is pretty global. There's

02:18:21.940 --> 02:18:24.020
only a few places in the world where it hasn't

02:18:24.020 --> 02:18:26.579
really taken hold yet. So they were like, we

02:18:26.579 --> 02:18:29.639
should check other places. And the authors of

02:18:29.639 --> 02:18:32.319
the study opened with something that I thought

02:18:32.319 --> 02:18:34.819
was kind of funny. They said, regardless of where

02:18:34.819 --> 02:18:38.010
you look. Culture, economic status, religion,

02:18:38.290 --> 02:18:41.250
it doesn't seem to matter. Women everywhere and

02:18:41.250 --> 02:18:44.850
always are less happy than men. And they said

02:18:44.850 --> 02:18:46.569
the reasons for that are somewhat biological.

02:18:46.809 --> 02:18:49.370
We have like hormonal fluctuations that men don't

02:18:49.370 --> 02:18:51.190
deal with, you know, things like periods and

02:18:51.190 --> 02:18:54.069
menopause and all that sort of stuff. And we're

02:18:54.069 --> 02:18:56.370
just less emotionally stable. Women experience

02:18:56.370 --> 02:19:01.120
three times the mental illness than men do. And

02:19:01.120 --> 02:19:04.319
it could be for many reasons. We could like try

02:19:04.319 --> 02:19:07.360
to tear all that apart. But feminism hasn't made

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women happier. It hasn't made them safer. I don't

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think it's really given them more choices. It's

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just given them kind of different choices. And

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children are suffering the most. And when you

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tear apart the family unit, which is what the

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Marxist feminists said was their explicit purpose,

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because. Property rights are passed down through

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men. Men, you know, build businesses and own

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properties the most and pass it down to their

02:19:32.590 --> 02:19:34.329
kids. So they're like, we got to get rid of this

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fatherhood stuff, the patriarchy. We got to get

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rid of the family unit, especially like the Leninist

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ones were like Lenin should be the daddy. The

02:19:43.229 --> 02:19:47.170
government should be the daddy because you see

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that with a lot of. socialist -leaning cities

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where they want the state to be in charge of

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things like decisions whether or not a child

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can medically transition, that kind of shit.

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Yes, all that stuff. It's all there for reasons,

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which are all detailed in the book, but it's

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basically a scam. And I feel like women have

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been grossly misled and horribly propagandized

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to believe a whole bunch of shit that's not even

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true. And if they read my book and if they look

02:20:15.899 --> 02:20:17.620
into it themselves, they double check all my

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sources, they go back and read everything themselves

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and they still believe it's better for them,

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that's fine. But I at least want them to know

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the truth and be able to make an informed decision

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about why they're living their life the way they

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are and if they believe this sort of stuff and

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if they really accept this feminist framework

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or not. It's a really, really well -written book.

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Thank you. And it's very fascinating. And I really

02:20:39.450 --> 02:20:41.309
enjoyed this conversation. Well, thanks. I'm

02:20:41.309 --> 02:20:42.889
so glad that you loved the book. I was really

02:20:42.889 --> 02:20:44.950
shocked that you liked it so much. No, I really

02:20:44.950 --> 02:20:49.690
did. It was eye -opening. How many of these people

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were full -on kooks that just abandoned their

02:20:53.610 --> 02:20:56.030
kids. And these are the people that everybody's

02:20:56.030 --> 02:20:58.409
looking to. Like, oh, she was a boss lady. She

02:20:58.409 --> 02:21:01.549
was a monster. She was a horrible person that

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didn't think anyone should have children. There's

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so much of that in the book. It's really, really

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great. It's crazy. So here it is. Occult Feminism,

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The Secret History of Women's Liberation. Rachel

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Wilson, go get it. Thank you. Thanks so much.

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It was fun. Bye, everybody.