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night. All day. Hello, Rachel. What's happening?
Hello, Joe. Very nice to see you again. Good
to see you, too. So when your husband, Andrew,
came in here, he told me about your book. And
then I talked to you, and you seemed very interesting.
And you gave me a little brief synopsis of it.
And so then I listened to it on audio tape, and
it's fucking crazy. And it is the... Occult feminism,
the secret history of women's liberation. You
know, I didn't really have much of an opinion
on feminism. My opinion was, you know, unfortunately
you run into some feminists that just seem to
not like men for whatever reason. And, you know,
there's a lot of people in this world that aren't
happy with their position or station in life.
But I didn't really think too much into how this
all got started. until I listened to your book,
and I'm like, this is kind of bonkers. So before
we get into your book, how did you decide to
write about this? What was your little journey
or big journey? Yeah, it's kind of a big journey.
So when I was growing up, I was in all the advanced
kid classes, and from the time I was in kindergarten,
it was just pounded into my head like, you're
going to college, you're going to have a career.
You know, you're smart and you have to do something
with that. It was like the only option that was
put before me. And so I followed that path like
all the way through school. And by the time I
got done with 12 years of regular school, I realized
a couple of things. One is school is not where
you go to learn things. Public school is not
so great for smart people for the most part.
And that I really didn't like. Like another four
years of school just sounded like hell to me.
And I really just wanted to get married and have
kids. That's kind of what I always wanted to
do. Much to the horror of my Marxist feminist
mother, who did not like that. Oh, you were indoctrinated
at an early age. Well, she tried. But I was the
why kid. I was the kid that's just like, why?
Why? But why? And I had like a Rush Limbaugh
dad. Wow. Yeah. They got divorced. Shocker. Who
could have seen it coming? So they got divorced
when I was like nine. So I grew up in like two
worlds. I had like Republican business owner
Rush Limbaugh dad and I had Marxist feminist
crazy mom. Was the mom always Marxist feminist
and was the dad always like a Rush Limbaugh Republican?
Yep. How did they fall in love? How did all that
happen? They didn't. I was an accident. Oh, so
they just fall in lust. Yes. I was like an oops
baby. And my dad said that when he saw me, he
was like, well, I don't want anybody else. Like,
this is the only thing that matters to me. So
I'm going to make this work. And he tried his
best. How did they even hook up with such radically
different ideologies? I don't think they were
talking about that sort of thing. When they got
together, they were probably hanging out at a
bar. Oh, so they didn't really know each other
very well. Not really. They were kind of like
they worked in the same place and met at work
and then had like a fling. And then I was born.
Yeah. Yeah. So I had divorced parents. Yeah.
It was it was really rough because my mother
like hated my dad. She could never tell you anything
he did wrong. Yeah. It was just like he's an
evil white patriarchal. bad, bad Republican man.
One of my earliest memories is them fighting
over the Bush -Dukakis election in 88 and threatening
to lock each other in the house so that one couldn't
cancel the other one's vote and stuff. I know,
fun. It was fun. Was this before after Kitty
Dukakis drank mouthwash? Or what did she drink?
She drank something like that. I think so. Aftershave
or mouthwash to try to get drunk? Yeah. The pressure
of the election must have been so... So insane.
And this is pre -social media, right? And this
lady was already struggling with, like, alcoholism.
And I think she was hospitalized for drinking
something that was not a drink. Can we find out
what that was? It was really crazy, right? Do
you remember that? I just remember that whole
election being pretty nuts, like, as far as,
like, the Democrats versus Republicans. And this
was when Democrats were more like how Republicans
are right now. Do caucus try to ride in a tank?
to make everybody think he was, like, a pro -war
tough guy. Remember that? Yeah. Yeah, and I remember,
read my lips, no new taxes and all that stuff.
So, like, I had this going on, like, as a kid,
so I think my brain was already thinking about
this sort of stuff from the time I was little.
Rubbing alcohol. Ew. Yo, that's crazy. Nail polish
remover. Oh, my God. She drank nail polish remover?
Holy shit. She couldn't just huff paint like
normal person. Very open about her struggles
with alcohol and addiction to amphetamines to
reduce the stigma surrounding these issues, later
detailing these experiences in her books. Huh.
Okay. Yeah. So my parents were like ready to
kill each other over that. And so they divorced
right after that. They divorced. And so I'd spend
time with dad and I'd spend time with mom. And
I had two completely different realities and
worldviews. And I think. Growing up like that,
you're trying to sort out what's true. You're
trying to figure out, like, is there any merit
to what mom's saying the world is or any merit
to what dad's saying the world is? And I think
dad was more persuasive and better at pulling
me his direction because I never really absorbed.
Like, I always thought Marxism was, you know,
faking gay and stupid. I just never bought into
it at all. Why at an early age did you think
that? Because I already had seen that, you know,
we're not all. born equal with equal things and
some people work much harder some people have
natural gifts and talents and to think that because
my mother would literally say stuff in the house
like from you know from each person according
to their ability to each person according to
their need and I was like even when I do that
in class like if there's a group project Everybody
wants me on their team because I'm the smart
kid who's going to do the homework. I end up
doing everything and everybody else gets the
A, even though I did everything. So those are
the people that are really into socialism. People
that have fast stuff. Yes. Yeah. And so like
from being a little kid, I even noticed like,
no, things aren't equal and things aren't always
fair. And it depends on, you know. your natural
skills and abilities and then what you do with
those things because there's lots of people like
my mother was super talented really intelligent
person but she was so like emotionally chaotic
she never applied them to anything she never
really got anywhere or did anything she had big
dreams of what she thought she should have and
and never really got there because she was so
like emotionally unregulated and kind of chaotic
so I just kind of saw that, no, there's not this
like thing where you can just even the playing
field and make it all equal for everyone. That's
not how it works. There's also a thing that if
you're locked up in something like Marxism, if
that's your ideology, you're in this constant
struggle with the rest of the world all the time
where you want to bend it to your ideology. You
want to change it. And so even if you're a very
intelligent person, your daily mindset is struggle.
Daily mindset is conflict and existential crisis.
Like, you know, that is exactly that was that
was the picture that was laid in front of me.
Yeah, it's I go to dad's house and he's like.
He started a business after the divorce and he's
like hustling. He's working 12 to 14 hour days.
He's doing everything he can to make it work.
He's not complaining. He's just like, this is
what you got to do. If you want to make it, if
you want to, you know, do your own thing and
prove that, you know, you're good at what you
do, you have to compete. You have to get out
there. You have to work hard. Why complain about
it? And then my mom's whole world was she ended
up being very bitter and resentful because it
was like this view of, but I deserved this. That
should have been me. Whatever reason. And often
it was like if I was more attractive, you know,
the men at work would have given me a raise if
I looked like the other woman in the office or
something, you know. So it was like this bitter,
resentful. She was kind of like at war with the
world. So seeing those two things, neither of
my parents are perfect. Who is who has perfect
parents? But it was kind of like. I'd rather
play over here where there's a purpose for me
working hard and giving it my best shot and trying
in life and figuring out what's important to
me and then tailoring, you know, all my efforts
toward that. And I just thought that having a
family was so cool. And I wanted to have the
family I didn't have. So I had this dream of
like getting married, having kids, having an
intact family and making it like a place. Where
kids can grow up without all the screaming and
yelling and chaos that I had and that a lot of
kids have nowadays. So I didn't go to college.
I had a full ride scholarship and I didn't go,
which everybody thought was the end of the world.
It was like, how could you do that? Your life
is over. You'll never be anything. And I was
kind of like, we'll see. It is very weird that
we're convinced that the only way to get educated
is by an official institution with all the information
that's available now. I mean, even back then,
like that's the whole premise of Good Will Hunting.
Like you can get very smart from a public library.
You really don't need. It's just the books are
available for everyone. The information is available
for everyone if you chase it down. It's not like
the only people that get any information are
the ones who go to these colleges. It's one of
the biggest lies that. education like we can
just educate everyone the problem is we're not
educated enough and if everyone had enough access
to education everyone would be intelligent everyone
would be thriving it's like the internet's kind
of proved this i had a teacher it's not an information
problem right i had a teacher in high school
that said something i don't know if this is his
quote or he was quoting someone else but he said
education is something that allows you to get
along without intelligence. And intelligence
is something that allows you to get along without
education. I like that. That's pretty good. I
was like, oh, I get it. There's certain people
that are just dumb at certain things. Like I
remember being around intelligent people that
had no knowledge of how a car worked, of any
of the workings of a car. You would tell, well,
this is back in like spark plug days. You could
explain to them like, oh, one of the cables for
your spark plug got loose. You're only firing
on five. Dillenders. The whole six is not. That's
why it's like shaking like that. Who? Who? Like
if it was anything else, if you're talking about
the economy, if you're talking about the political
process, that guy would think the other guy was
a moron. But now this guy thinks he's a moron.
I remember like being like auto shop class going,
there's a lot of different kinds of intelligence.
We've just done this weird thing where we've
categorized like. You have to go to specific
schools. You have to go to the you got to get
a degree. Everybody wanted to go to Ivy League
schools. I lived in Boston. It was like very
important. Did you get a higher education? You
go on to make everybody proud. And they were
all fucking miserable. Well, my dad said this
to me. He was the only person that when I graduated,
I said, I don't think I want to go to college
for this. I don't think that's what I want to
do. Like any of the things I'm looking at when
I think about like having a career in that thing.
I'm not very excited about it. I don't I don't
get like, oh, hyped up to go do this. I was like,
I really just kind of want to, you know, maybe
someday. But I would love to have a bunch of
kids and stuff. And my dad was like, you know,
a lot of the people in my office have degrees
and, you know, they have careers and some of
them are very miserable people. So if you don't
want to do that, he's like, you could always
decide to go later. So I was like, oh, I kind
of like bargained with everyone. I was like,
I'm just going to give it a year. I do that too.
Yeah. And if I feel like I want to go to college
after a year of no high school, then I'll go.
I could still do it. But I ended up having a
baby at 20, which, again, was the end of the
world. Oh, my God, Rachel, your life is over.
You'll never be anything. You'll never do anything.
It's over for you. It's such a tragedy. It was
treated like this horrible thing. And I thought
it was great. And when I had her, the job that
I had. Did not matter to me anymore at all. It
seemed so stupid. It was like anybody can go.
I was a hairstylist at the time. Anybody can
go do haircuts. Someone else can cut Debbie's
hair, but only I can be her mom. I want to do
that. And everybody was telling me, you have
to go back to work. You have to go back to work.
That's what we do now. Two weeks after the baby's
born, you got to go back to work. You need the
money. You need the security. You need the income.
And I looked around and thought this. is insane
like who came up with this system because I am
going to go drop her off at two weeks old and
let some lady who doesn't know or care about
or love my baby the way that I do take care of
her all day long you know if you factor in the
commute it's like nine nine and a half hours
that I'm away from her by the time I get home
and feed her and give her a bath it'll be bedtime
and that'll be it I'll get like maybe two hours
with my baby all day you know And I get to pay
half of what I make to this other random person
to raise my child. Who came up with this? This
is stupid. And I have to pay taxes and I have
to have a second vehicle and insurance and a
work wardrobe. And I just thought this is the
most inefficient, stupid system. And everyone
around me is like, this is this is good. This
is what we all need to do. Even like Christian
conservative women. that were friends and family
members were like, well, you don't want to depend
on a man because then you're going to get abused.
They fear mongered me to death about staying
home with my kids. And at the time, this was
my high school boyfriend who I had my first child
with. Because I was kind of a libertarian at
this stage and both my parents at this point,
my parents have multiple divorces between the
two of them. And I always I know I always heard,
oh, marriage is just a piece of paper. What really
matters is that you love each other and that
sort of thing. And I'd known this guy since we
were kids. We'd known each other forever. We'd
been together for a long time. So I thought this
was great. And my goal was, let's get us to the
point where I can stay home and be like a full
time mom. And he had stuff going on. It did not
work out. He took off. Devastating, horrible,
terrible for me. No big fights, no cheating,
nothing like that. You know, he's a private person,
so I don't want to tell his business, but he
had his own personal things going on and left.
And it was back to, you know, I had to work and
be a working mom. And I didn't like that. And
I still thought that there was something wrong
here, but I hadn't really like looked into. Where
do we get this idea that women must be working?
Like, my grandma didn't work. Bless her soul,
by the way. She is going to be turning 100 April
1st, my grandma, who's still with us. And she's
probably my ace in the hole and the reason I
kind of turned out normal despite my chaotic
family upbringing. Because she was super grounded,
nice Christian lady, only in eighth grade education,
but she knew how to do everything. She'd go back
and like... pluck a chicken, cook it up for dinner,
can everything in the garden, preserve all the
food. And she had more done by 8 a .m. than most
human beings on earth. So I had like grandma
as a pillar to really help me through this stuff.
So shout out grandma. Which is work. Yeah. It's
housework. Yeah. Yeah. Which is like really important.
Like it has to get done. Yeah. And most people
think someone else should do that. Yeah. I need
to be in an office. Yeah. This is for wages like
low low paid wagey people to do. I need to be
doing something important. But I always thought
she was really important. She was super important
to me because when you know my parents were off
doing whatever they were doing I'd always get
dumped at grandma's. So I spent a ton of time
with her growing up. And she was full of wisdom.
And like I said, she knew how to do everything.
Like her practical skills were crazy. She can
cook anything. She can clean anything. She can
can and preserve food. She grew up during the
Great Depression. She was born in 1928. Oh, wow.
Yeah. And she had been through some stuff. Like
she lost her husband to cancer. She lost her
daughter to kidney disease. Like she had been
through it. So she had a lot of like good advice
and wisdom. And she would always say, I wish
I was smart like you. I wish I was smart like
you and I could go to school and stuff like that.
But I thought, Grandma, you're the only person
that knows what the hell they're doing. You're
the only person in my world who seems to know
what they're doing. The grass is always greener.
When you're looking at a woman that's entering
into the workforce who's really intelligent,
you start thinking, oh, she's going to have a
career. She's going to be a CEO someday. Everyone's
going to respect her. Meanwhile, that person's
on pills and suicidal and can't sleep. Well,
we're going to get into that. We're going to
get into, I'm sure, like how it's turned out
for women, pushing them into the workforce, telling
them they can have it all and how they're dealing
with that. But I didn't deal with it well. When
I was at work, I felt like I should be at home
and I was missing my kids and like I was really
failing on the home front. And when I was at
home, I felt like I should be giving more to
work and I felt constantly torn. And that's something
I hear from pretty much every woman I talk to
who has kids and a job, that it's really tough.
That you always feel like you're not able to
give enough to each thing. You just can't spread
yourself that thin all the time. And I think
it's bad advice. I think we give women backwards
advice. I think we tell them, spend all your
fertile years, all your youth, building a career,
going to school and building a career. Then by
the time you're like 30, 35 and you've got all
that established, then you can think about getting
married and having kids. Well, by then. You better
find somebody quick and get on it because you
got a handful of years left. Yeah. You know,
and you might need IVF and all these other things.
And a lot of women struggle. And it's one of
the it's actually nobody wants to talk about
this. This is the conversation no one's ready
for. Women's access to higher education is the
number one correlate around the world, regardless
of economics, race, culture, status, anything
to falling birth rates. Wow. So it turns out
that when you push young women that it's education,
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for a lot of people? Because the cost of living
is very different now than it was, like, say,
in the 1950s or the 1960s. And it's very difficult
for a lot of people to get by on one income.
Yes, it is. But have you ever asked why that
is? I have, but I'd love to hear you talk about
it. So prior to the 1970s, we had 5 % of mothers
with school -age kids working outside the home.
And for all of human history, Even during the
Industrial Revolution, you know, 17, 18, 1900s,
like you said, in the 40s and 50s, you could
be a janitor and support a family and have four
kids on one income. And something shifted in
the 1970s and it's never shifted back. So it
can't be like. how the stock market's doing.
It can't really be like all these other independent
economic factors that have shifted and changed
and been so different over the course of the
last 50 years. The one big thing that we changed
is we pushed women into college and into the
workforce. And by the 1980s, they were on par
with men in workforce participation. So in the
span of about 20 years, we almost... doubled
the labor force by pushing all the women in,
and men's wages have never recovered. So now
you are stuck in a two -income trap where even
women who want to stay home and even dads who
would love to have their wife home with their
kids, it's really tough. So why did women entering
the workforce keep men's wages stable or keep
them from going up along with the inflation?
It really fundamentally changed the economy.
I have a friend named Aaron Clary who wrote a
book about this. It's an analysis of what he
calls a female based economy where it's more
consumer driven. Women are like responsible for
80 percent of consumer spending. And now that
they're all educated and in the job market, we
have a lot more of things like H .R. departments,
psychology, sociology, like the economy shifted
away from being like manufacturing and production
and more male dominated things to we have all
these women coming out of university. And, you
know, what do they get degrees in? I think 80
percent of psychology degrees are earned by women.
And then despite all our efforts to push women
into STEM, they're still like maybe 20 percent
of STEM degrees. So we have all these very educated
women and we have a lot of kind of fluffy jobs
like office jobs, HR jobs, social media managers.
And mostly women do a lot of the same things
they used to do. So they're nurses, they're early
childhood educators, they're retail workers,
they're cooks, they're housekeepers. They're
doing a lot of the stuff they used to do, which
the Marxist feminists called unpaid labor, right?
This is the myth of women's unpaid labor. So
instead of cleaning your own house, educating
your own children, cooking meals for your family,
maybe for your... your parents or grandparents
who can't cook for themselves, all the things
we used to do for our own family, clerical work,
bookkeeping for your husband's business, things
like that. We're doing those things for corporations.
So that and this was kind of by design. A lot
of the book is about the fact that there were
people who pushed feminism and it wasn't because
women were oppressed and they cared about the
position of women necessarily. It's because the
same people who pushed. you know, the 19th Amendment
and pushed progressivism and feminism were the
same people who drafted the Federal Reserve legislation,
came up with the income tax, came up with the
compulsory education system. And especially on
the Marxist side, they pushed feminism because
they said, if we can push mothers and women into
the workforce and we double the workforce. Workers
of the world unite. You know what I'm saying?
So it's like we have this huge workforce and
through the university systems, we can kind of
propagandize the young women to be socialists
and to be Marxists because they kind of tend
that way anyway. The way that women's brains
work is very like communitarian for a reason.
We're moms, you know. So it's very easy to radicalize.
And this isn't my opinion. Like I go over in
the book how. You can just read the writings
of these people and they tell you August Babel,
Alexandra Kollontai, Margaret Fuller, like all
these early 1800s writers were saying, we need
to get women away from the home and away from
being mothers and push them into the workplace
because then we can politicize them. We can motivate
them into becoming revolutionaries. And that's
how we'll get the numbers to make this work.
Wow. Yeah. So now. Instead of staying home with
your kids and doing all these things for your
family, for your community, you're doing them
for a corporation and you're paying income tax.
You're paying all the other taxes associated
with having to work outside the home, gas tax
because you're driving back and forth to work,
payroll taxes, all that kind of stuff. And you
are away from your kids all day. Where do they
go? They go to public schools where the public
school system. then can dictate to them what
the values should be, what the worldview should
be instead of the parents. It just makes you
wonder. There's all these giant shifts. and culture.
And it makes you wonder, what would we look like
if that had never taken place? Well, that's,
so you asked like, why did I start writing about
this? That's why, because I had like an aha moment
where I realized feminism is far and away, like
it's not even close. It's the biggest social
revolution in all of human history. And it happened
in one century. We took the whole social order.
that was in every culture around the world for
all of the rest of time that's recorded. And
we flipped it upside down and completely changed
it in one century. Everything about your life
is different now because of feminism in ways
that you don't even think about. You know, the
way that you act in the workplace, the way that
legislation works, the way that school systems
work, like every single thing about life has
changed. as a downstream result of feminism and
pushing this model of women's equality, which
it's really not. It's really not about equality.
And all you have to do is read all the first.
Everybody thinks first wave was just, oh, they
just wanted rights. They just wanted a few rights.
That was good. You know, and the average person
would say, yeah, I think that that was good.
But that's because they don't know the real history.
And the reason they don't know the real history
is because when they invented gender studies.
and Women's Studies, which were created by the
Ford Foundation with some help from the Rockefellers
and the Carnegies in the late 60s. They literally
rewrote the history of how women's suffrage happened.
So there's a professor named Joseph Miller who
did an examination of the main 12 textbooks that
are most commonly used in all the Western universities
to teach women's history. And he's not even like
a right winger. He's like a liberal college professor.
But when he looked and examined those 12 textbooks
and compared them to the actual writings, you
know, newspaper articles, writings of feminists
themselves, public debates held between suffragists
and anti -suffragists, all of the writings of
anti -suffragist groups, which far outnumbered
pro -suffragist groups, he found that they left
out huge chunks. Of what really happened or intentionally
misrepresented what actually happened on purpose
to kind of sell feminism as something different
than what it what it really was. So what did
they leave out? So the most important thing they
left out was that women did not want women's
liberation. They were. Yes. Everybody assumes
and believes that it was a grassroots thing that
women kind of looked around in the 19th century
and they went, you know. We're oppressed. We
don't have any rights. I wish I could work. I
wish I could get away from my bastard husband
who drinks and beats me. I need rights. I need
a bank account. I need credit cards. I want to
go to university. And they marched and they picketed
until they had voting rights and equality in
the workplace. That's the story everyone's heard,
and it's not correct at all. In fact, it's the
opposite. So this is hilarious. So we had this
big fight in the late 1800s between pro -suffrage
groups and anti -suffrage groups. Most women
in the United States and England, if they were
a member of either, they far outnumbered. by
joining the anti -suffrage groups. They were
very much against it. It was only a small minority
of women who were pro -suffrage. And these groups
would debate publicly. They would write pamphlets.
They would write tracts. We have a really good
written historical record of what actually happened.
And women didn't want it. They thought they had
a lot of great things going on already that were
going to get ruined by suffrage. For example,
here's some... Let's do a little myth busting.
People have this idea that prior to the 19th
Amendment, women were denied an education. Completely
untrue. Some of the first universities in the
United States were exclusively female universities
and seminaries and secondary schools. More women
actually probably had the opportunity to go than
men because men always had to work in the fields,
in the mines, go to war, build the infrastructure
of the nation, work on railroads. So women were
seen as like, well, you're going to be teaching
the kids. So you should probably do a little
extra education. Whereas Jimmy and Billy, they
need to work the farm with dad, you know. So
there was never any law that prohibited women
from higher education. What happens, what feminists
do, they rely on framing. So they'll say because
there weren't co -ed universities, because it
was women's universities and then men had separate
ones. It was mostly segregated. They'll say women
didn't have equal access to education. Were the
better schools men's schools? No. In fact, I'd
say so. I guess you could say some. There were
a handful of Ivy League institutions that didn't
let women into certain programs. But it was mostly
like medical stuff, things like that. And that
had already changed. before the passage of the
19th Amendment. Women were already being led
into Ivy League education, being allowed to do
biology and become doctors. Many of the women
in my book who were first wave suffragists had
degrees, had educations. The other one is like
women weren't allowed to leave the house. They
weren't allowed to, you know, sex out of wedlock
or children out of wedlock. Oh, my gosh. It was
so terrible. But most of the women in my book
who were traveling the world promoting women's
suffrage had children out of wedlock, had extramarital
affairs or multiple sex partners or were even
lesbians. Open lesbians touring the world, making
money. Giving speeches, writing pamphlets and
tracts, raising money for the suffrage movement.
Nobody put them in jail. Nobody whipped them.
Was there some stigma? Sure. But I don't think
that you can argue that stigma against those
sort of things equates to. oppression of women
by the patriarchy. It's always framed that way,
but that's not true. So what year did they pass
the 19th Amendment? And the 19th Amendment is
what gave women the right to vote, right? So
there were women that said, I don't want the
right to vote. Yes. In fact, when they... Why
wouldn't you just want the right to vote, even
keeping a traditional household, like the right
to have a say if it's about the world, it's about
the United States, it's about our laws and how
we're going to govern? Yeah. So I'll tell you
what their reasoning was. They said, we're going
to lose a lot of the protection and provision
that we currently enjoy. So, for example, in
the state of New York in the 1800s, as a woman
entering a marriage, if you had money, if you
had an inheritance that came with you when you
got married, if your husband cheated on you or
left or divorced you, he couldn't take any of
that. Your inheritance was protected from. you
know, your husband leaving and taking it. And
only men could be held responsible for debt.
And there was something called breadwinner laws
that the courts. It was like a systemic law.
It wasn't like one specific law. It was like
a whole legal framework that said, look, women
have to raise kids and be pregnant and have babies.
So we have to hold men responsible for financially
taking care of women and children. So women couldn't
be thrown into a debtor's prison. They couldn't
be held legally liable for repaying a loan or
anything like that. They could own property.
People don't believe that either. People believe
women couldn't own anything. And the reason they
say that is because once you were married, you
were considered one legal entity. But even then,
a married man in the state of New York in 1800
couldn't sell a property that was owned after
he was married without his wife's written consent.
And the court had to be assured that she was
not being like coerced into it. So there were
already like the anti -suffragists themselves
argued, we kind of have everything we want. You
know, we have like most of the benefits of this,
you know, they didn't call it a patriarchy, but
what we would call a patriarchy. They said, we're
the primary beneficiaries of this system. We
have a lot of protections. And if you make us
equal, we're going to lose those. Like, what
if we get drafted? What if we have to go do jury
duty and hear like the gruesome details of like
murders and rapes and things like that? It's
going to pit the family. against each other.
Just with the right to vote? Yeah, just with
the right to vote. Why couldn't you keep all
those things and just be able to participate?
Well, unfortunately, they were right. So one
really good example is the women's temperance
movement. You guys remember Prohibition? That
was primarily women. who pushed for prohibition.
It was the Women's Temperance Union. It was like
a Christian movement to ban alcohol. And women
didn't have the right to vote, but they got prohibition
passed, which was huge. Like it was one of those
things that nobody thought was even going to
happen. And it happened largely because of their
political motivation and the reason. that it
worked is because they could go to Congress or
they could go to the Senate and say, we're not
a political voting bloc. We have a moral high
ground from which to ask for these things because
you can't buy our vote. You can't, you know,
like offer us things and kind of seduce us into
voting for you based on promising us things that
we want. And they didn't want to lose that because
they felt like they had a lot of influence. And
the things they predicted would happen, the anti
-suffragists said, You're going to see a lot
of divorce. You're going to see broken up families
because it's going to pit husband and wife against
each other, just like it did with my parents,
where you've got, you know, mom wants to vote
for the Democrat. Dad wants to vote for the Republican
or vice versa. Now they're fighting about it.
They want to split. They have separate worldviews
and political interests will be used to drive
a wedge between men and women and break up families.
And then we're all going to be a bunch of single
moms. We're all going to have to work like they
they literally predicted this stuff. It's in
one whole chapter of the book is dedicated to
their arguments. How did they have such amazing
foresight? I mean, I just would ignorantly I
would think, OK, well, I think women should have
the right to vote. They're human beings. They
live here. There's there's laws that are being
why would that? Well, I think. One of the problems
we have when we look back at history is the fallacy
of presentism. We're looking at it through like
our eyes now with with all of the presuppositions
that we have about the world kind of baked in.
And at this time, so in 1920, people don't realize
that men had only universally gotten the right
to vote very shortly before women got it. So
in the UK, most men couldn't vote until about
10 years before women got the vote. In the UK,
there was all kinds of restrictions on voting
in the United States for men. You may have to
pay a poll tax. You might have to take a test
like a literacy test or a political literacy
test. There might be a religious requirement
of some kind. There might be a racial. requirement
of some kind. There could be all different kinds
of restrictions on men voting. You might have
to be a property owner. You might have to be
a certain age. So there was a lot of men. It
wasn't like all men could always vote and no
women could ever vote. And at the time of trying
to pass suffrage, there were already a few states
in the West that had granted women's suffrage
like Utah and Wyoming. And Utah is a fun case
because it was mostly settled by Mormons at the
time. And they were mostly polygamists. And there
was this big fight between the feds and the state
of Utah because the feds did not. They were like,
this polygamy thing is getting really popular
out there and it's going to cause us some problems.
And they want to give women the right to vote.
The Mormons thought if we give women the right
to vote, we can keep polygamy because they're
going to vote for it because it's beneficial
to them in whatever ways that the LDS church
thought it was. The feds were betting on the
fact that, nah, I think if we give women the
right to vote, they're going to say no more of
this polygamy. So let them have it. Just let
them have it. Well, the feds lost the bet and
the Mormon wives kept voting for the polygamy
stuff. The feds didn't like it. So what they
did, there was also a little bit of. Stuff going
on with the finances of the LDS church that was
a little sus. They passed an amendment or law
through Congress in 1878, I think. I could be
wrong on the date. To take away women's suffrage.
They took the vote back from them. They said,
no more voting for you. Can't do that. Because
you're voting for polygamy. Yeah. And so women
in Utah had suffrage granted and then had it
removed for 50 years. It was from I think it
was about 1870 to 1920 that they didn't have
the right to vote. And the anti -suffragists,
this was a big deal. So pro -suffrage women would
go to Utah and anti -suffrage women would go
to Utah and they'd talk to the women and try
to because everyone's trying to get them on their
side. And they kind of found that like women
really didn't want to be involved in politics.
They felt like. We have so much going on at home.
They were the community organizers. We don't
have this anymore, by the way. I'm taking care
of my grandparents. I'm taking care of my uncle
who, you know, has a disease and is infirmed.
I've got seven kids and so does my cousin and
so does my sister. And we all raise them kind
of together. We're very busy. We're doing all
the church stuff. We're teaching the kids together.
Politics is just like you have to know so much
about it and you have to be so informed and we
just we don't have time and we really don't have
interest. Most of them were really indifferent,
but more were either indifferent or against it
than were for it by such a margin. So this is
the test. They let them vote on whether they
wanted the vote in a huge the biggest referendum
was in Massachusetts. So they let women vote
on whether they wanted to vote in a referendum.
Of the women that showed up, not a lot of them
showed up. It was a fairly smallish number, but
of the thousands that showed up to vote, only
4 % wanted suffrage on the ballot. That's crazy.
Only 4%. So guess what Elizabeth Cady Stanton
and Susan B. Anthony did after that? All the
pro -suffrage leaders, they banned women from
voting. On whether they wanted to vote. Isn't
that crazy? How did Susan B. Anthony get involved
in all this? Because she was one of those people
that was like, what was she on the $2 bill or
something? Yeah. And she was one of those people
that was always held up as this like amazing
woman. And then I started listening to your book
and I was like, wait, what? Yeah. A lot of these
women like her and Elizabeth Cady Stanton were
kind of the two big figureheads in America. There
were a lot of other important people, but those
are the two most people have heard of. They're
the ones who wrote the history of women's suffrage,
which is this giant like multi -volume history
that they wrote. Now, they wrote it from a very
biased perspective to make themselves the rock
stars of this movement. They wanted to be remembered
in the history books as being these awesome,
badass. kind of revolutionary, strong, independent
women. They, in fact, came up with the strong,
independent women narrative that women were victims
who needed to be unvictimized. They had other
suffragists that they were trying to cut out
of the history when they were putting together
this history of women's suffrage. Lucy Stone
was one that said, wait a minute, you guys are
leaving out huge chunks of important information
like the fact that our main support comes from
men. Progressive men and socialist men and polygamist
men. Like, why are you guys leaving this out?
If you do it like everyone's going to know you
just didn't mention any of that. Because at the
time it was like super well known. They had a
lot of PR problems in the suffrage movement because
it was known as something that prostitutes, socialists,
Marxists, polygamists and revolutionaries were
into. And she was like, you can't leave that
out. It's like a main point. Maybe you don't
like how it portrays us, but you got to include
it. So they like reluctantly did include some
of that, but they were going to try to leave
it out altogether and frame it as we know it
now as a fight of women against men. This fight
of oppressed women against the oppressive patriarchy
that was systemically trying to keep a boot on
women's necks. And even their own colleagues
were like, that ain't how it. It's crazy that
progressive men were a problem even back then.
The simp problem is. Bitch ass men have always
been a problem. They're a giant problem. And
that's one thing that feminism does. It gives
them a way to be like, I always call them like
vampire familiars. Yes. They never really get
to be a vampire, but they do all the deeds for
the vampires and the vampire loves them. And
they hang around the vampire. You know, it's
the sneaky fucker mating strategy. Yes. Yes.
What is that? Cuttlefish? Yeah. Yeah. Cuttlefish
do that. Like sneaky bitch ass cuttlefish pretend
they're female so they can hang around the females.
Yep. And that's exactly what was happening. There
were other motivations to like Victoria Woodhull
was a famous feminist. She was the first one
to have like a big newspaper. She was known as
Mrs. Satan. Because she was into free love. She
wanted to make prostitution legal. She said that
marriage was just a legal form of prostitution.
She saw it to be no different than regular old
run -of -the -mill prostitution. She was like
really radical. She was also a scam artist. Like
the thing I found when I was looking into the
histories of all these women, they were into
the occult or very anti -Christian because they
saw it as patriarchal and oppressive. They were
usually con artists or scammers. So spiritualism
and snake oil salesman was like really big and
popular at the time. This lady sold fake cancer
cures. She was wanted in like four different
states for selling fake cancer cures to dying
people and scamming them out of their money.
And by pushing suffrage, she got a lot of people
to fund her and give her money. And one of them
was Cornelius Vanderbilt. And she would pretend
to be able to contact the dead. She would say
she could contact like ancient Greeks and and
all these spirits like the spirit of Abraham
Lincoln was coming to her in dreams and stuff.
I don't think Cornelius believed that at all.
But what he did know about her was that she did
run a prostitution ring and all her friends were
hookers who worked the Wall Street gentlemen.
And so she basically had a spy network of prostitutes
who would give her insider trading information.
He used that to game the stock market on the
first Black Friday. I think it was like 1889
for today's equivalent of 26 million dollars,
according to The New York Times. And when The
New York Times interviewed him and said, how
did you do? How did you come out? Twenty six
million at the time was one point three. But
today's money, 26 million. How did you pull this
off when everybody else has just lost their ass?
And he said, do as I do. Consult the spirits.
So he said that this woman had contacted the
dead and given him the tip that way. But it was
really just she had a prostitution ring. So these
were the people involved, OK? And this is what
they were really doing. But when gender studies
departments got a hold of this history, they're
not going to tell you any of this. Their job
was to become the PR branch in the universities
to sell Marxism. And feminism to young women
to revolutionize and radicalize. And they had
help doing that from the CIA. Yeah. At the same
time, because we were in the midst of a Cold
War. And I'm not saying communism is good. I'm
definitely not. But according to the CIA at the
time, they were trying to push Western liberalism
as being superior to. communism in Russia and
the Eastern Bloc. So they thought feminism was
good for that purpose. So they helped fund the
beginning of Ms. Magazine. They granted scholarships.
They made up like fake scholarships, one of which
was given to Gloria Steinem, you know, and then
they had her employed for years going around
the world pushing feminism. So it was it was
never that the average woman was like, I want
to vote. I want to listen to political debates.
I want to learn about economics and foreign policy.
I'm really concerned about these things. And
I want to know and I want to vote. Women were
concerned about things like having clean drinking
water, clean milk, safe parks, you know, less
crime, all those sort of things. And one of the
other things they predicted would happen, they
said, if you give women the vote and you politicize
us like this. It's not going to be about the
welfare of our children and communities anymore.
It's going to be about things like abortion and
birth control. And what are the only women's
issues that you ever hear about anymore in politics?
The right to abortion and things like access
to birth control, access to abortion. It's like
the only thing you hear now. Where are all the
women, even on the right, like fighting for the
things they were fighting for 150 years ago?
Nowhere. It's all about. You know, like even
Trump, Trump frustrates me on this because he
wants he's like, we got to have more programs
to get all the moms back to work. And I'm like,
why? Why do you want to do that? Why do you want
to push all the moms back to work? That's a terrible
idea. Why do you think he's saying that? He's
a liberal and he's a feminist. He loves hiring
women. It's probably his biggest Achilles heel
if he would stop hiring women and get rid of
a lot of his problems. But he loves hiring women,
and he's a very pro -working woman. Like his
first wife, one of the things he loved about
her was she was very successful in business and
things like that. Ivanka, same thing. And yes,
they have kids, but they have nannies, and they
have all the money in the world to support them
while they're off doing this sort of thing. But
what happens to the average woman? The promise
of feminism looks something like you're going
to have the corner office. It looks like sex
in the city. You're going to have the corner
office and you're going to be in Paris over brunch,
having champagne and, you know, assigning the
ink on the next deal. And you're going to be
doing all this exciting boss babe stuff. And
then you can also have a kid and, you know, the
nanny will take care of the kid while you're
doing all this important stuff at work. And it's
just going to be amazing. The average woman like
me ends up working a basic like I'm a retail
manager. I'm a waitress. You know, I'm a school
teacher. I work a nursing, a 12 hour nursing
shift four nights a week. And I have to come
home and take care of my kids and my family.
And I feel like I can't do it all. It's too much.
So a lot of women just aren't even having kids
anymore. I'm sure you've looked at. birth rates.
Yeah. It's kind of weird. It's weird that no
one's talking about it. And there was always
this narrative about overpopulation. Yes. And
it's only been over the last decade or so that
people start talking about population collapse
and the catastrophic impacts of that, particularly
on some foreign countries like South Korea, Japan.
They do not have a replacement rate. Right. There
won't be a South Korea. In the near future, if
something radical doesn't happen over there.
But this is there's a whole nother chapter in
the book dedicated to this whole thing and where
this came from. The Malthusian population agenda.
Margaret Sanger gave me nightmares writing the
chapter about her. I literally had nightmares
about her because she was so evil. It's hard
to everybody's heard what she said about black
people by now. Most people have heard that. Oh,
that they're. the lowest of the low and we just
need to get rid of them, that it would be best
for humanity if we could just convince all of
the lower races to just stop breeding. So they
planned parenthood on purpose, focused on African
-American and indigenous communities and poor
whites, too. But she was part of the Rockefeller
Bureau for Social Hygiene. It was a eugenics
program. And Planned Parenthood was a eugenics
program. And she was so antinatalist. You can
find clips of her on the Internet now where they
would interview her on the radio and she'd say,
if it were up to me, nobody would ever have babies
anymore. We just would stop having them because
life is terrible and life is hard and it's suffering.
And bringing children in the world is a terrible
thing, especially, she said, the most, this is
a famous quote of hers, the most. Kind thing
a large family can do to one of its young members
is to kill it. And her whole her whole shtick
was sold on lies. She told lies about her mother.
She said that her mother died from overbreeding,
that she had so many children. It just it just
destroyed her body and she died. Not true. Her
mom had tuberculosis and died from tuberculosis
like half of. everyone back then. So she lied
about that. She told a fake story about a woman
named Sadie Sachs who didn't know how she kept
getting pregnant and the doctor refused to tell
her because the bad male doctors just wanted
the women to just keep having babies so they
refused to tell them how that worked. Which I
went and asked my grandma. I'm like, grandma,
you were around like in this exact time period.
Did you and your mom like not know how babies
were made? She was like, what are you talking
about? Of course we knew that. In fact, she said
after my sister was born, her younger sister
was the fourth kid in the family. The doctor
told my parents like, you guys need to be careful,
like time things and like try it because it's,
you know, she had some health problems. He's
like, another baby might be risky. So if you
want to avoid that, here's how you avoid that.
She's like, of course we knew. People have known
that since the beginning of time. Of course they
have. But she wrote a whole book that purported
to have thousands of letters from women around
the world writing to Margaret Sanger saying.
I'm only 23 and I'm on my 14th baby. I'm not
kidding. She would. The numbers were insane.
She was alleging that there were 23 year olds
who were on like their 11th pregnancy and dying
from overbirth and that they just didn't know
how to stop it. And so she was like, this is
why we need abortion clinics is for this reason.
Now, I looked into this because there's something
called the Margaret Sanger Papers Project. They
have everything she's ever done. If she wiped
her mouth on a napkin, they've got that in the
archives. They have everything. Do you think
out of the thousands of letters she said that
she got from women saying, I just can't stop
having all these babies and it's killing me and
I'm miserable. How many do you think are preserved
in the Margaret Sanger Papers Project? How many?
Zero? Three. Three? Three. Out of thousands.
And I emailed them directly and I asked, seems
weird. You guys have like literally letters that
she wrote to her friends. You have like all this
documentation on everything she ever did. Certainly
if she was getting thousands of letters. You've
got more than three. And they said, well, we
think it was mostly lost to time or she sent
them to abortion doctors to encourage them to
keep going because, you know, people didn't like
abortion doctors. So we think she sent it to
a lot of abortion doctors to like, you know,
give them a pep talk. And yeah, we just don't
really know. It's just lost to time. So you think
she made a lot of it up? Oh, yes, yes. Especially
because if you read the book, nobody reads this
crap, you know, except me. I'm crazy. Nobody
else wants to read all of their horrible writing.
But in the book, if you're reading these letters,
they sound literally like they're all written
by the same person. So it's extremely dubious
at best. I would love if, hey, if the Margaret
Sanger Papers Project folks want to come and
tell me like where all these are, if there's
any proof of this, I would love to see it because
I looked for two and a half years and couldn't
find anything. In fact, the most popular Sanger
biographer in the world who like knows everything
about her admits that she lied about tons of
stuff. She's like, oh, she lied about the Sadie
Sacks story. She lied about why her mother really
died. And she probably lied about, you know,
those other stories and letters, too. But she
believed it was for a noble cause. She thought
what she was doing was good. And the other big
secret is she was getting a lot of money. She
was getting paid by the Rockefeller Foundation
and promoted by people like H .G. Wells, who
she was also having an affair with. They're all
a bunch of creepers, Joe, I'm telling you. She
was married and had three kids. She left her
kids in like hippie bohemian communities. One
of them died from neglect in one of these communities.
Didn't care about her kids at all. In fact, one
of her sons grew up and said, my sister would
not be dead if my mother gave any shits about
us whatsoever. But she didn't. She was anywhere
except where we were. Any excuse to leave. She
let her ex -husband take the rap for her distributing
illegal stuff about abortion and birth control.
The Comstock laws didn't allow that back then.
So she was wanted in court and was going to be
put in jail for distributing that stuff. She
let her husband take the fall for it while she
went to England and had affairs with people like
H .G. Wells and Havelock Ellis. And they were
all bisexual and they were all occultists and
doing all this crazy stuff. H .G. Walls called
her the most incredible woman ever to live and
said that she was going to have more impact on
the future of humanity than any other person.
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you think he thought that? Because he was a eugenicist
who loved the idea of millions of abortions a
year. H .G. Wells, the War of the Worlds guy,
was a eugenicist. You should have Jay Dyer on
to tell you about H .G. Wells. I brought you
his book. I don't want to know. I love the War
of the Worlds. He wrote some great fiction, but
he was a diehard Malthusian. These people really
believed. It was actually a very popular thing
that we're talking like right after Darwinism.
We're talking about just before the Nazis. We're
talking about the Kaiser Wilhelm Foundation.
It was a very popular position to be a. In favor
of social hygiene, as they called it, which was,
you know, anybody with birth defects shouldn't
be able to reproduce. Anybody of the lower races
or inferior mentally, any of those kind of people
shouldn't reproduce because we want, you know,
a cleaner, better human race going forward. Yeah.
So feminism was instrumental in that. That's
actually where the birth control pill came from
as well. Margaret Sanger, the Rockefeller Foundation,
the Kaiser Wilhelm Foundation, and a lot of Nazi
scientists are the ones who started synthesizing
human hormones to make birth control pills. And
the way they sold that was they said, look, we
know abortion is very unpopular. People don't
like it. It's a very terrible thing that we have
to do. We have to do it because we don't want
all these babies. But, you know, if you let us
have the birth control pill and you make it like
widely available and socially acceptable. Abortion
will be a thing of the past. Nobody will need
one ever again. That's how it was marketed and
sold to the world. And it sounds right. It sounds
reasonable. Maybe it's better. Maybe it's better
just to prevent all the pregnancies and then
we don't have to worry about abortions. But here
we are in 2026. You can get birth control pills
for $4 at Walmart. You can go down to your local
health department in your county and get them
for free if you're under a certain... income
status. And we still have, well, at least before
they overturned Roe v. Wade, we still had about
a million abortions a year in this country, even
with the shot and the pill and all these types
of birth control and more education than we've
ever had. That was the other thing when I was
in school, right? More sex ed, more sex ed, and
then no more teen pregnancies. That hasn't panned
out whatsoever. It turns out that if you take
all the stigma away from sexual activity, you
tell everybody premarital sex is actually good.
You've got to get in there and figure out how
things work before you get married. You don't
want to just get married. That's weird. We still
have a million abortions a year. We still have
Plan B pills and things like this. There's been
more babies aborted in the last century than
all the men that have been killed in all the
wars. Of the 20th century. Like far and away.
Oof. Yeah. It's crazy. The Glorious Dynam CIA
thing is nuts. Yeah. That's nuts. Yeah. Because
the real tinfoil hat people want to think that
the CIA has been involved in every single social
aspect, including like the rock and roll movement
of the 1960s. And there seems to be some evidence.
And when you see like how far the tentacles actually
go and then you see it like in feminism, you
go, wait, what was she was what? Yeah. So explain.
So Gloria Steinem was recruited out of Smith
College in the 50s as all women's college. She
already had some pretty like left progressive
kind of feminist. And this is generally how this
works. If you want to know how the left has taken
over academia, I have a whole paper about this
on my sub stack, how NGOs and universities have
just swung completely left and they have just
captured the university systems. They do it this
way. So they recruit her out of Smith College.
You know, she's writing papers about women's
rights and feminism and stuff like that. And
they go, she's pretty good at this. So they approach
her and they say, we're willing to offer you
something called the Chester Bowles Fellowship.
And she goes, what's that? And they're like,
well, it doesn't really exist. We made it up
for you. Because what we're going to do is we're
going to give you this fellowship. We're going
to send you to India. We're going to send you
to Europe. We're going to have you tour the whole
United States, do a media tour, start a magazine.
To promote women's rights, the things that you
believe in. So it's a little more sneaky than
everybody sitting in a dark back room and like
plotting some evil plan to like make America
into a feminist hellhole. It was more like we're
trying to promote liberal democracy around the
world because it's part of the Cold War. You're
really good at this feminism stuff. And if we
can get a lot of women voting and if we can get
them into universities and mobilize them as a
political. group, just similar to what they did
with black people. Convince blacks that you're
all oppressed, you're all victims, and radicalize
them and make them permanent Democrat voters.
Same thing that they did with feminism. So they
sent her to India where she worked for the Ford
Foundation. Again, the same people who created
gender studies. Learned a lot of interesting
things over there in India. Not sure what's going
on in there. I said in my book, it's like a hotbed
of like theosophy and like crazy, like the Dalai
Lama. And there's a lot of weird stuff going
on in India. I don't know why they send everybody
there. And then when they leave India, they go
and promote this weird stuff. It's what they
do. So they sent her to like Eastern Europe to
a youth festival where she promoted feminism.
And this is at the time where the Eastern Bloc
is still communist and it's hard to get in there.
But as a woman. This is something traditionally
they always do with women. It's very easy to
sneak female spies or propagandists in rather
than men because they're less suspicious. It's
like, oh, she just wants to promote education
for women. And they're like, fine, she can come,
I guess, whatever. So she's promoting feminism
there. Then she comes here. She's undercover
at the Playboy Mansion, weirdly. Undercover?
Yeah. People didn't know she was CIA at this
point. She was like a Playboy bunny for a little
while. What? Yeah. She was at the Hugh Hefner
mansion. Undercover as a Playboy bunny? Yeah.
That's hilarious. Yeah. She was kind of hot for
like back in the day in the 70s, late 60s. She
was kind of hot. Well, compared to the other
feminists we had to choose from. Who else did
we have? Betty Friedan. I don't know if you've
ever seen her. Is there any photos of Gloria
Steinem at the mansion? Yeah, there's a picture
of her in the bunny costume. Oh, we've got to
see that. Yeah, maybe Jamie can pull it up. Yeah,
so, and that was to promote the sexual liberation
stuff, right? For the CIA. Yeah. Undercover Playboy
Bunny. It's an HBO original. Wow, there's a documentary
on it. That's crazy. I wonder how they frame
it. Exploiting women and low wages. Let me see
the photos of her down there. Where? Below, where
it says images. Click on one of those where it's
her. Yeah, she's pretty. Yeah, good enough. That's
on her? That's Christy Alley. Yeah. Oh. Is that
Christy Alley playing her? Must be. Oh, yeah.
She played her. For what year was that? 1985.
Wow. That's crazy. But she did come out in her
memoirs and talk about it. Interesting. And she
also talked about - But did she talk about that
she was working for the CIA? Yes. So she started
Ms. Magazine with CIA funding. She was working
with Clay Felker and a couple of other - Is that
her? No, that's not her either. She was okay.
I mean, it was nothing thrilling. But it was
good enough to... to get her in there. And like
I said, her and Betty Friedan had like this rivalry,
this vicious rivalry in the press because Friedan
was a Marxist. There's always been this battle
between like the liberal capitalist type of feminists
and the Marxist type of feminists. And Betty
Friedan was not attractive. She was very frumpy.
She was older. And the press loved Steinem because
she was like stylish and cool. She had like highlights
in her hair and she was kind of a hippie. So
she got all the press and she started Ms. Magazine,
which there's a whole... bunch on that in my
book as well but yeah it was like it was part
of the cold war it was part of pushing like the
liberal democracy stuff to contrast it against
like the communist eastern bloc at the time and
it was very useful there's extensive writing
from so many people in this movement about how
hey if you can get women young women into universities,
they're very easy to propagandize. They're very
easy to program with whatever worldview you want
to give them. And if you want to make them into
revolutionaries, they make excellent revolutionaries.
This is why right now you see women in Minnesota
and Portland and L .A. going up to ICE agents
and getting in their face and calling them names
and, you know, you got a small dick, little man,
you think you're tough shit. If you're wondering
why, why is it women? Why are women trying to,
like, fight ICE agents in the streets? It's because
we send them all to college. They get indoctrinated
with this Marxist feminist worldview that masculinity
is toxic and bad, that men are inherently violent.
And oppressive. And women are inherently like
mother nature earth types who bring goodness
and fairness into the world, make sure everyone
has enough to eat. This is the like false dialectic
that everyone gets taught. So they see what these
women see when they see ICE arresting, even if
it's a sex criminal who has warrants. They don't
care. They see him as a sweet, innocent victim
of the evil white patriarchy, that these are
fascist Nazis coming to arrest the beautiful
baby immigrants who are helpless and need protection
from mommy. So they weaponize that. Did you see
there's a video of this guy going up to people
to try to get people that ICE has deported brought
back into the country? Have you seen this video?
No. Let me send it to you, Jamie, because it's
quite funny because he's explaining how one of
them. the one who wants to get back in the country
has committed five murders but he thinks he needs
a second chance and they're 100 % agreeing with
him it's like it's one of the funniest things
it's like you just you see how fucking kooky
people are with this stuff that it's not like
oh wow he's a bad person it's like No. In their
little tiny blinder -sided ideological bubble,
anybody that gets deported should be brought
in. ICE is bad. Immigrants are good. Yeah. And
without any regard whatsoever to the consequences
of bringing over murderers and rapists and drug
dealers and gang members. Put your headphones
on real quick because this is kooky. Bring back
illegal immigrants who were deported by ICE.
We're with the Bring Them Back campaign. Could
we get your signature for our petition? We just
need your name and email address. Specifically,
we're trying to bring back Edwin Hernandez from
El Salvador. Yeah. We do have to disclose to
you, though, that he is an admitted member of
MS -13, and he did kill five people back in El
Salvador, but we think he deserves a second chance,
and we want to get him back. That's him right
there. What do you guys think about what's going
on with ICE? in this country? Oh, it's appalling,
I guess. Maybe not even a strong enough word.
Yeah, we're from Maine. There's been a lot of
ICE activity in Maine. Up in Portland, right?
Yeah, up in Portland. That's where we live. I'm
a teacher and there were lots of students that
were afraid to come to school. Thank you so much.
Hopefully we can get Edwin Hernandez back so
he doesn't have to be criminally convicted in
El Salvador, right? Thank you so much. Thank
you. Good work. Good work. Good work. Bring that
murderer back. Eloise, MS -13 gang member who's
killed five people? Yeah, bring them back. She's
the perfect example. She's a schoolteacher. What
schoolteacher do you know who's not liberal?
Very few. Very few. And most of K -12 is female
teachers. By the time you get to high school,
there's a few more, but I think it's like 80
-90 % of schoolteachers are women. So they go.
to university they go for education and they
almost inevitably end up getting some kind of
women's studies course thrown in there and so
they're taught this worldview that white men
are evil and oppressive to women to minorities
to poor people so they see ed Edwin Hernandez
whatever his name is well sure he murdered five
people but he wouldn't have done that if he wasn't
poor and oppressed by the evil white patriarchy
it's not fair and so she wants to protect him
and she said there's kids who are afraid to come
to school You know, the kids are afraid. It's
just like the Democrats last night with their
little reply to Trump's State of the Union, where
they said the same thing. If you've been trying
to protect your neighbors from the Gestapo who's
coming to arrest them, we understand how stressful
that is. They just create this completely false
narrative. That's not how the world really works.
Ask the average white man out there who he's
oppressing. Because most of them are just working
hard as, you know, Amazon delivery drivers or
plumbers or sewage workers or something like
that. The average white man has never had like
this incredible amount of power. It's all framing.
The minute you take away and destroy the framing
that everyone accepts, this all falls apart,
which is why I wrote the book. Because I'm like,
if women knew specifically, women like me, this
is supposed to be for us. This whole movement
was supposed to be for me and my daughters to
liberate us. And I was like, OK, from what? From
the people who have the best interest in protecting
me, my father, my husband, my brother, the men
around me. In order to believe the feminist narrative
that men have systemically just always wanted
to keep women down and oppress them, you'd have
to believe that they didn't care about their
mothers. Their daughters, their sisters, their
grandmothers, their neighbor lady. Just all the
men wanted to just systemically oppress the women
so that they could have free maids and, you know,
sex bot women at home. There was a ton of propaganda
in the 70s as well about this. Remember the Stepford
Wives movie? Where it was revealed in the movie
plot that like all the evil men in this nice
suburban neighborhood full of white people, they
all had sex bot wives. They didn't want their
real wives. They wanted a mindless sex bot that
cleaned the house and baked casseroles. And this
was supposed to imply that this is why men are
oppressing you. They don't want you to have a
brain. They don't want you to have input. They
don't want to hear your thoughts on things or
have you be a real person. They just want you
to serve them. You know what I mean? That's not
how life is. Life's a lot more complicated than
that. But when you fill the university systems
with this and then you fill the workplace with
it, we've got HR, we've got Me Too, we've got
all these systems in place now that actually
promote feminism. It's far and away the dominant
social aspect of the culture. Look at every female
celebrity. Every single one of them. Think of
the top ones like Kylie Jenner, Taylor Swift,
Beyonce, Katy Perry, any of the really popular
female pop culture. They're all girl boss, sexual
liberation, shitting on your ex -boyfriend. Men
ain't shit. I'm going to dominate him with my
sexy physique and my sexual prowess. And it turns
out that. A lot of the ancient goddess worship,
which was really popular with feminists in the
70s, there was a huge revival of that. A lot
of the goddess archetypes that they brought back
had those same themes. Like the goddess Kali,
who's a Hindu goddess with eight arms and blue
skin and a tongue hanging out of her mouth and
all of her depictions in Hinduism. The feminists
chose that and put it on the cover of the first
issue of Ms. Magazine in 1973. That seems like
a weird choice if you're trying to get suburban
moms in 1973 to buy your magazine, to put this
blue -skinned, terrifying Hindu goddess on the
cover. So why did they do that? Well, because
they had her holding an iron and a baby and like
all these domestic things, right? And the goddess
Kali symbolizes, at least to feminists, vengeance
against men. Taking back power from men and having
your revenge on them because that goddess only
accepts male sacrifice, male human sacrifice,
especially on the battlefield. She like drinks
the blood of deceased male warriors. Yeah. And
she's intentionally terrifying and she's supposed
to like symbolize this. Let me see what she looks
like, Jamie. Yeah. If you pull up that. Just
put up the actual goddess Kali. There it is.
Women tell the truth about their abortions. Wow.
On raising kids without sex roles. What year
was this? 1973, I think. Wow. Yeah. On the housewife's
moment of truth. This was the huge propaganda
campaign to convince women that staying home
and raising your own kids is actually horrific
oppression and it's abuse and you're enslaved.
You want to be at work working for your boss.
You want to be paying those taxes. You want to
don't submit to your husband. Submit your boss,
though. Right. That's fine. Or become the boss.
Yeah. Or become the boss, which, again, we've
had 50 years of trying to push women to be the
boss. And guess what? They really don't want
to. And this is what I always say. Some of them
do, though. Some of them do. That's true. They're
not a lot of fun. They're not. I would say there's
always been like 5 % of women who are genuine
outliers, who are really not cut out for motherhood,
who can go out there and crush it, who are going
to do something else. Historically, usually it
was like maybe you would become a monastic, like
a nun or something. Maybe you would run a boarding
school or a tavern. Like women have owned businesses
and done other things in almost every culture.
But you should be free to do that. The issue
is like. Are we indoctrinating people into a
very specific ideology in schools and universities?
And is that why they're going to something that
really maybe they're not that outlier and they
wouldn't really be interested in it? You know,
I was talking the other day about this video
that I saw on Instagram. A while back where there
was this woman, she was talking about how when
she was in college, she was dating this guy who
was a Christian and he wanted a traditional family.
And he's like, I'll take care of you and I'll
raise our kids. And she goes, I didn't want that.
I wanted to go out there in the world. So I got
my education. And I got the job and I'm doing
the thing that I want to do and I don't want
it. And she was crying. She was like, I don't
want it. She was like, this is not what I want.
I'm not happy. And I fucked up. Yeah. And it's
just crazy. It's terrible. How many people silently
feel like that? Yeah. Well, the truth is that
since this book came out a few years ago. I've
paid a pretty high personal cost for putting
this information out there. And in the first
chapter, I say, look, I'm just going to present
to you the actual facts about the history and
what really happened, because I think it's for
you women to decide. This is supposed to be for
you. I want you guys to look at what really happened
and the results of that. And the whole last chapter
is like a ton of statistics about where are we
now after 50 years of this being the super dominant
thing. It's not great. It's not great. But I
was like, I want women to have the ability to
look at it truthfully for themselves and decide
what they think. And I have been slandered. I
have been the things that have been said about
me, the lies and the gossip that have been spread
like online, calling me everything under the
sun, just wild, crazy rumors about my personal
life that are not true. But that's going to happen
to anybody that's in the public that says anything
controversial. I'm kind of seen as somebody betraying
the sisterhood, right? Because we're so programmed
that it's like the knee -jerk reaction from women
oftentimes. But I get hundreds now, emails, DMs,
letters in the mail even to our PO box from women.
Like one was a lady who was like, I'm 60 years
old. I'm sitting here reading your book and it's
covered with tears. Because I fell for this shit.
Now I'm 60 years old. I have no husband. I have
no kids. I have a shitty job that I hate. I'm
going to die alone. And I can't go back and change
any of it. What do I do? Do you know who's upset
about it, too? The lady who created Sex and the
City. Oh, yeah. Did you see that? She's a gem.
Yes, there's like a little video about that,
isn't there? Where she said that she regrets
having ever made that. Yeah. Isn't that crazy?
Because how many women saw that and like, I'm
going to be that boss girl. Yeah. I'm going to
be that. What was the one lady that fucked everybody?
The hot blonde lady? Samantha? Aren't you a giant
fan of Sex and the City? No, but that's the character's
name. Character or actor? Both. Samantha's the
character. Yeah. That lady, she was in all the...
Like 80s hot. That's it. Yes. Super hot. Yeah.
Yeah. And it was like, I'm going to be like her.
I'm going to be a Samantha. Yeah, I know. Yeah.
Well, I mean, it was pushed on me really hard.
And I was told. I was told you're like a loser.
I'll never forget this. It was like maybe 12
years ago. Somebody from the RNC that I was arguing
with online about this, she told me, you should
be ashamed of yourself. You are not a proper
conservative woman and you are not contributing
to the movement by staying home with your kids.
I said, really? How's that? She goes, what about
the GDP? I was like, the GDP? She's like, if
you were a real Republican, you'd be out there
working and contributing to the GDP. And I was
like, you're right. Raising five children and
trying to make them the best human beings I can
help them be. Who wants to do that? I should
get out there and work for a corporation. GDP
was her argument? That's crazy. I debate feminists
all the time. Online. I'm pretty undefeated if
anybody wants a piece. Well, here's the thing
about liberals online. I was just talking to
Andrew about this. She said that was incorrect,
the take on her. The opposite is true. I've never
regretted not having children. I feel compelled
to have a career since I was a child. But who's
judging? Not me. Read all about it in my new
book. But I thought, so why does it say here,
Sex and the City writer Candace Bushnell, 60,
admits she regrets choosing a career over having
children as she is now truly alone. I don't know.
And then there's a link. I would imagine she
was selling a book and they're paying her some
amount to get some headlines. This is the Daily
Mail, though. The Daily Mail is a little sus,
right? It's pretty. Click on that. Highlight
that and click on that article, that Daily Mail
article. Do they quote her? Even if it's not
cannabis, there's definitely plenty of other
women who push this. 100%. Who say they regret
it. But I wonder, like, how are they able to
say that she regrets this if there's no quote
attached to it? So what does it say here? Then
when I got divorced, I was in my 50s, started
to see the impact of not having children and
being truly alone. Okay. I do see that people
with children have an anchor in a way that people
who have no kids don't. Okay. And what does it
say below that anymore? Did she elaborate? She
explained that she didn't feel like dating after
her 2012 divorce. Ballet dancer. She married
a ballet dancer. Red flag. Sorry, male ballet
dancers. I'm just kidding. It's not that long
to get to my age. I know women who have gone
longer. That was it? That was the entire quote?
Yeah, I was just looking her up. Well, I can
see why they took it that way then. Maybe she's
saying overall she still thinks it was better
to go after a career. Or maybe she's just gaslighting
everybody to sell a book. Could be. Maybe she's
like, you want to sell that book? You better
be on the go -go boss girl train. I suppose so.
But you asked me. Do women really want to be
in the workplace or are they only kind of really
choosing the girl boss stuff? Well, that's a
giant generalization anyway. Right. Of course
it is. Obviously some women do and some women
don't. And there's a lot of women who naturally
maternally want to have children and want to
have a family. And then it's also finding a guy
that you can trust, that you care about and you
think is going to stick with you and he's really
going to be invested in this whole thing. And
someone who's like a solid man who's not going
to become an alcoholic and lose his job and fall
apart. That's what happened to me. That's what
happened to me. That can happen to anybody. But
that aside for just a moment, Simone de Beauvoir,
arguably the biggest feminist of second wave,
the French intellectual who was buddies with
Jean -Paul Sartre and they got in trouble for
grooming underage kids and seducing them and
all kinds of crazy stuff. But she's respected
as the greatest feminist intellectual of the
20th century and she was super influential. And
in a 1970s interview with Betty Friedan, she
said, I don't believe that society should give
women the opportunity or the choice to stay home
and be mothers, because if we do, they're all
going to pick that. And I don't think it should
be an option. So it was the it was the view of
the feminists that. Yeah. And Susan B. Anthony
and Elizabeth Cady Stanton said that they said
we would have never passed suffrage had it not
been for men. If it was ever left up to women
alone. We would have never passed suffrage. They
would have never gone for it. They don't want
liberation. Now, of course, from their view,
they're like, well, it's because they're oppressed
and they don't know that they hate their solid,
their slavery yet. They just haven't realized
how oppressed they are. And if they could see
it, you know, for what it is, they wouldn't like
it. But we couldn't convince them for 100 years.
We had to convince the men that don't you want
your daughters to like have their own money and
this and that. So the feminists themselves say
women didn't want it. If we ever left it up to
women, they wouldn't have ever chosen it, like
at least not as a whole. Sure, there would always
have been a minority. But I would argue that
the minority of women who fought for that were
the ones that the status quo historically of
get yourself a good man, have a family, stay
home. It doesn't work for them. So like a lot
of them, there's a book about this. Edward Dutton
wrote a book about witches feminism in the fall
of the West where he says traditionally like
women the archetype of the witch being ugly and
haggard and living on the outside of town. It's
kind of historically accurate. Most of the feminists
like have you ever seen a picture of Susan B.
Anthony for. No. For example. I have not. She
is aesthetically challenged. We'll say that.
So is Betty Friedan. So are a lot of these women.
Not all. But a lot of them are. And a lot of
men were not really interested in them. I think
they look at the system and they go, well, this
isn't fair to me. You know, I'm smart. I can
do other things. I'm just a baby factory. The
amount of women who have called me a baby factory
is pretty insane because I have five kids. Well,
they're not fun women. No, they're not fun women.
I don't want to be you. You're just a baby factory.
It's like the same kind of men that call me toxic
male. Oh, yeah. You know, it's just. How dare
you be a successful. masculine archetype of a
man. You're not allowed to lift weights. Right.
It's very threatening to people. Well in some
ways I'm the weirdest person to be here talking
about this because I grew up a tomboy. And I
have a lot of people use this against me. They're
like, oh, you're actually really masculine for
a woman. You may not always look super masculine.
Well, you're really into firearms. I'm a firearms
instructor. I love weightlifting. I'm like an
OG meathead. I love bodybuilding. I did powerlifting
for years. I grew up on farms playing in the
mud with the other boys in the neighborhood.
That's what I liked to do. But I think that when
you grow up like that as a woman, you realize,
like, I'm really strong for a woman. I can deadlift
250 pounds for sets of five. But the guy next
to me who has never trained in his life can do
that, too. And you give him six months in the
gym and he's going to blow past me. You know,
you just you have a more realistic understanding
of how that works. And I think that in the modern
era, all the feminist side debate. They live
in this world that we're sitting in this studio
right now and all this wonderful stuff that allows
me to be here talking to you and talking to all
the folks that are watching. The microphone,
the technology, everything was built by men.
You'll hear the Hedy Lamarr thing that she came
up with. Wi -Fi. No, it's not true. Really? No,
it's not true. What do you mean? She worked with
a man on a precursor to it, but it wasn't her.
It wasn't like she. i think so i think they actually
were i think it was one of her boyfriends i could
be wrong on that but no if you like even if you
just ask grok is that really true and it's like
A little bit, but not really. But far and away,
men are the builders and maintainers of infrastructure
and technology. And they always will be because
the truth is women have had 100 years to get
into that stuff and they just don't really want
to. They'd rather be interior designers or psychologists
or things that are, you know, about people and
social dynamics and aesthetics and stuff like
that. I'm that way, too. I have like a really
strong intellectual logical side. I love debating
and all that kind of stuff. But I also love smelling
babies heads and dressing them in cute little
outfits. And, you know, I love glitter and sparkly
things. So it is what it is. Women don't want
to go be men. Right. That's what we're finding
out after 100 years of this is that when you
make women be men, they hate it. Like that lady
that tried to be a man. Have you heard of that
story where the woman tried to pose as a man
for like a year and she ended up. deleting herself
I think because it was so horrible like it was
so awful she was like life as a man is awful
it's tough it's hard nobody cares about your
feelings nobody's coming to rescue you and I
think women growing up in this era they don't
think about when they turn on the light switch
in the morning how that happens When they get
in their car and drive to work, they don't think
about who built the road they're driving on,
who built the cars or designed them, or who changes
their oil. It's all men. When they flush the
toilet, they don't think about, hey, if that
toilet backs up or the sewage, you know, the
sewer treatment plant has a problem, it's going
to be men that go in and fix it. If there's a
hurricane or an ice storm, who's going to be
back out in the dangerous weather trying to rescue
people and get the power back on? It's going
to be men. I'm waiting for the feminists to come
and rescue all the people from the floodwaters
and to put the power lines back up after the
tornadoes come through. So far, they have not
appeared. They haven't shown up to do the dirty,
dangerous and difficult jobs that men do. And
I'll believe them that what they want is equality
when they start signing up for those jobs. Well,
it's just such a bizarre perspective to think
that it's not. a huge task to raise children
and to care for them and communicate with them
and see to their emotional needs and help them
solve things and figure things out and help them
with their schoolwork and just normal stuff that
is so crucial to the development of a child.
And we've somehow, because there's no monetary...
you can't like put a number on that like what
how valuable it is it's not valuable if it's
not bringing in money if it's not contributing
to the gdp yes yeah that that whole the like
myth of women's unpaid labor um i'm glad you
brought that up i just finished a huge project
that i'm working on with uh Andrew, my my excellent
has a handsome husband and Stephen Crowder, Dr.
David Patrick Harry and Rob Knorr, who's a champion
debater. We put together a feminist debate course
that's coming out really soon. I think this week,
I think it drops this week. And we go over all
these myths and debunk them and we tell we show
people and demonstrate like how to debate. this
feminism thing because it's a Leviathan. It's
a beast. If you take it on like one of the reasons
I'm out here doing it is because when men try
to argue against feminism or feminists, they
immediately get slapped with you're a misogynist.
You hate women. You're an incel. All the tropes.
You have a small dick. What are you gay? Like
just all the insults. Right. Well, when I sit
in front of them and make those arguments, you
can't really just get away with that. You have
to contend with them because I'm a woman. Right.
You could try to insult me, but it's not going
to land the same as when you do that to a man.
So we put together this course to try to help
people deconstruct the framing that's been built,
question all the. founding axioms that feminism
was this good, necessary grassroots thing, that
it's good for women, that if it ever went away,
all the women would be chained to the stove in
servitude, not allowed to learn how to read or
drive a car. When you hear about like women's
oppression in the Middle East, that's a result
of Islam. In Christendom, that was never a thing.
Like even in like ancient Christianity was. one
of the first places that women were really seen
as full human beings. And a lot of it's because
of the Theotokos, the mother of God, the Virgin
Mary, being the Ark of the New Covenant that
brought Christ into the world for man's salvation.
She was even asked by an angel and she said,
let it be so. Which is so bizarre that modern
feminist women support Islam. Yes, they do. And
they hate. Christianity and they hate the Virgin
Mary. They don't like her being an archetype
of virginity and motherhood, you know, and strength
and men's salvation. They don't like that. But
they'll support Islam all day long. That's fine.
It's so strange. It's so strange that it worked.
It's so strange that something that goes against
actual human nature somehow or another became
the prevailing ideology amongst. liberal women.
The occult aspect of it was very shocking. Yes.
It was very weird. It was very shocking to me.
You didn't know. When I started researching to
put together the book, I thought it was going
to be mostly about the funding of the feminist
movement, the Jekyll Island Club being the same
guys that like. Went to the Jekyll Island in
secret and put together the income tax and the
Federal Reserve and the compulsory education
system. I thought it would be mostly about that
and the fact that women never wanted it, that
women weren't the ones that just came together
and demanded it. And then I started researching
all the like popular figureheads and really reading
their stuff because I was like, this is a very
unpopular. I'm making pretty intense claims here.
So I really have to be able to back it up and
I better make sure I'm correct and I better make
sure I'm accurate. Because whenever you're challenging
a narrative this big, everyone's going to go
through with a fine tooth comb and try to see
where I'm wrong or see if I'm lying or see if
I'm twisting things. So I did two and a half
years of just reading feminist literature. It
was rough, but I got through it. And what I found
was, holy moly, most. Of these women, almost
all, but certainly most, were into spiritualism,
which was like a big 1800s movement of like trying
to do seances and contact the dead and things
like that. Theosophy, which combines like Eastern
occult practices with like other Western traditions.
Ancient goddess worship, New Age stuff, and even
Satanism and Luciferianism. In fact, in my book,
I cite a book. That's a Ph .D. thesis by a professor
from Norway. His name's Per Faxneld. I don't
know if that's the way you pronounce it, but
that's how it's spelled. P -E -R. It's called
Satanic Feminism, his book. And now he himself
is a Satanist. He's a Luciferian himself. So
he sees it as a good thing that the women of
the 19th century openly declared Lucifer as their
liberator and the mascot of their movement. Now,
you would look back and think these were Christian
women because they were in like New England and
stuff in the United States, Puritan communities
and things like this. But they weren't. In fact,
Elizabeth Cady Stanton and a bunch of her friends
wrote something called the Woman's Bible in 1895,
where they rewrote the Bible from a feminist
perspective and took out the things that they
thought were oppressive and patriarchal. And
in the intro. Stanton herself says, I think her
husband was a preacher, maybe, or really involved
with the church at the time. But she said, I
don't believe that any man has ever heard anything
from God. I don't believe the Bible is divinely
inspired. I think all of Christianity was made
up specifically by men to oppress women. That's
my personal belief. She was more of like a proto
New Ager. She believed in like this monism stuff.
And she said, if I could. Monism? Yeah, monism
is like that kind of a lot of the new age or
even some of the DMT bros will kind of come to
this conclusion that there's like a one that
we have to return to. Like we're all one and
we're all God and we forgot that we need to return
to the one. We're all God? Yeah, we're all God.
I've heard that one before. Yeah, and we got
to return to the one. And they were writing about
this stuff in like the early 1800s is like. transgenderism
gender abolition gender as a spectrum was being
written about by Margaret Fuller in the 1840s
in America and she said we're never going to
return to the one As long as we have this gender
division. So in the future, I'm envisioning a
future with no gender. There's no men and women
anymore. And she said, nobody's really born a
man or a woman. You're either you're on this
spectrum and some people are more on the male
side and some people are more on the female.
But nobody is like fully one or the other. It's
a spectrum. I had that argument once with a guy
who was a professor. It was one of the dumbest
conversations I've ever had on this podcast.
And I eventually had to say to him, if you go
buy a puppy. And it's a boy puppy, but you wanted
a girl puppy. Do you say that there is no gender?
What do you do? Right. Like, what do you do?
Like, what are we talking about here? You're
saying that some men don't exist, that men aren't
real, that women aren't real, that no one is
a man and no one is a woman. Like, that's crazy.
How did you get here? You got here. Because someone
with an XY chromosome had sex with someone with
an XX chromosome, and that's how it works. It's
like a biological definition based on objective
reality. Yes. Like, we all know that, but there's
this weird fucking dance, and that dance, if
you keep just asking questions, like, why is
that dance? What are you doing? Like, why are
you saying that? Like, what does that mean? Well,
what about this? And what about that? It just
falls apart. But yet they have this weird resistance
to facts. Yes. Very strange. Well, this is why
the occult was so appealing to these people and
why. So like feminists are drawn to the occult
and occultists are drawn to feminism because
in most occult traditions, there is this idea
of gender bending and gender fluidity and transcending
gender. Yeah. In order to. transcend to something
higher to become the stars again or to become
part of the one monad or so I I'm reading all
their backgrounds and they're all writing about
this stuff many of them claimed to be automatic
writers so they would write a book about feminism
say it's not coming from me it's coming from
this entity that is speaking through me yes yeah
like that kind of stuff so they would do that
um they would like Victoria Woodhull would claim
to be able to contact the dead or they would
just say this Christianity stuff. is only here
to oppress women. Lucifer was the good guy, kind
of the Promethean myth of like, actually, he
was the good one because he enlightened us and
gave us, you know, free will. Luciferianism is
very strange because you look at the definition
of Luciferianism. You think, oh, they're going
to say someone who believes that the devil is
God. But it's not quite that. Like, please pull
up Pull Up Perplexity, our wonderful AI sponsor,
and ask it, what is the definition? of Luciferianism.
Because when I went down this rabbit hole with
your book, I looked this up. So it's very strange.
Diverse belief system. By the way, that's a weird
way to say it. Diverse belief system that reveres
Lucifer not as the Christian devil, but as a
symbol or deity of enlightenment, knowledge,
and human potential. Yes. Lucifer. Yes. Fucking
Satan. The guy who rules hell. Yes. Where everybody
burns for eternity. Luciferianism. Luciferians
emphasize self -improvement, free will, and intellectual
pursuit over traditional religious dogma. They
view Lucifer as a light bringer or liberator,
often drawing from pre -Christian figures like
Prometheus. Practices may include ceremonial
magic, but the focus is typically on personal
empowerment rather than the worship of evil.
But that's a trap door, isn't it? Yes, it is.
That's what it seems like. It's exactly what
it is. It seems like a trap door. Just the way
they describe it. You're like, oh, well, that's
me, man. I'm into self -improvement. I do cold
punches. That's why we're all God. I'm God. And
that's where you get moral relativism. Secular
humanism comes from Luciferianism, by the way.
And in the 20th century, almost all the feminists
signed like the humanist manifestos and things
like that. The secular humanism stuff where it's
like morality is subjective. What's right for
you at the time is what's right and what's right
or wrong for me at the time. And there is no
objective moral facts. By the way, the reason
they get away with rewriting the history on feminism.
is because they use something called standpoint
theory. And this is an epistemological framework
that asserts that there is no such thing as objective
historical truth or facts. There's no objective
timeline of history. There are no historical
facts. And to the extent that these historical
facts exist, they were created by white patriarchal
oppressors to perpetuate their patriarchal oppression.
So we can't know the real history unless it's
told from the perspective of the most oppressed
woman and so that is how they rewrote everything
and the stuff you're getting from their textbooks
the things you're being taught in university
is this stuff it's not anything having to do
with objective historical timelines. So Lucifer
appears explicitly only once in the Bible in
Isaiah 14, 12, King James Version. How art thou
fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning?
How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst
weaken the nations? Original context? Lucifer
translates from the Hebrew term meaning shining
one, bright one, or light bear, often linked
to the morning star. I think the later link in
the later history is the hell and Satan. Scroll
back down again. Stop right there. It says, oh,
not originally a proper name or reference to
Satan. But that is Satan, though, right? It's
who became Satan, right? So it's like Lucifer
before he went bad? The old days, like the Beatles,
their early albums. Yeah. No? So Lucifer's not
Satan? No. What? Well, the Orthodox tradition
is that he is, and there's multiple names for
him. So sometimes he's called the adversary.
Sometimes he's called different things. The modern
Protestant interpretations of things, because
they use sola scriptura, there's a ton of like
word concept fallacies where they think this
word always refers to this one thing. And they're
not correct about that. So like our church tradition
says, yes, he is Satan. He is the adversary.
He's, you know, the evil one. He's got lots of
names. I think Lucifer is like his name is an
angel. But so he was a fallen angel become Satan.
Yeah. So what? But obviously, if someone is not
just a fallen agent, becomes like the worst being
in the world or in the universe. Like, how could
you ignore that and only concentrate on the self
-improvement part? Could you name that after
somebody else? Aren't there a lot of other self
-improvement people in the Bible? Well, that's
the thing. It just seems tricky. What this really
comes down to, like the name of the book is Occult
Feminism. It has two meanings. The first meaning
is a lot of these. women were really into the
occult. That's the most obvious one. But the
second one is occult, the term itself just means
hidden. And there's a whole history here that's
been completely intentionally hidden from...
both women and men, but specifically from women,
that if they knew it, I think they'd have a whole
different view of this movement. And they would
question a lot of its foundational grounding
axioms and all the presuppositions we have that
it was to protect women. So if we look at that,
if we look at the promises of feminism, the promises
we were told, it's going to protect you from
abusive men, from... unhappy, abusive marriages.
It's going to give you more freedom and more
choice in your life. Those were the selling points
and the things we were promised. But if you actually
like look at the statistics, you look at the
outcomes of what's happened since feminism became
dominant and we pushed women into the workforce,
we discouraged them from I mean, antinatalism
is so rampant. I mean, you hear people refer
to children as like icky. They call them. crotch
goblins they call them you know sex trophies
all these like uh derogatory terms for children
and parents and you see the dual income no kids
people the dinks making all their like tiktoks
about like a day in our life is dinks we went
to the taylor swift concert last night and then
we slept in extra late and then we had brunch
and smoked a joint like you know chelsea handler
look we have no responsibility we live purely
for ourselves we do whatever we want it's so
great So it's like always been this dialectic
of do you want to be self -sacrificial and give
of yourself for something greater that goes into
the future long after you're gone? This greater
purpose that's going that you might never even
see fully the fruits of in your lifetime. Or
do you want to party and have fun and go after
what you want now and be kind of hedonistic,
kind of selfish? And that's the Luciferian paradigm.
Like even the satanic temple guys, Anton LaVey
and all those guys, they said, look, we're not
even like deistic Satanists. We just think I'm
my own God. I decide what's right for me. I do
what I want in my life for my own fulfillment.
And nobody is entitled to anything from me. I
decide if and when I want to give anything to
anyone, this life is for me. Those are kind of
the two sides you kind of end up on. And so when
I say a cult, I kind of mean that too. I kind
of mean like, yeah, raising five kids was really
hard. I didn't buy fancy new clothes. I didn't
get beauty treatments. I didn't do much of anything
for myself. I went like 20 years with no sleep.
It was, you know, it is hard work. And my children
and hopefully their children, who is who I wrote
this book for when I wrote it, I thought it was
going to be like, I didn't know I was going to
be here talking about it. I thought it was going
to be for like my grandkids and my great grandkids
and things like that, because I wanted them to
know this stuff. That's hard. It's hard work.
On the front end of that, the first 20 years
that you're raising kids, it feels kind of thankless
sometimes. It feels tough. And you go, what am
I doing all this for? So my friends are out at
the concert. Everything feels like that. They're
partying. Every job feels like that. Yes. So
when you put in all that hard work and sacrifice
on the front, now I'm in my mid -40s. My kids
are all grown. I have children that are like
in their mid -20s adults. My youngest is in high
school. I have more time to do other things.
That's why I said we give women backwards advice.
We tell them spend all your fertile years building
an education and a career. And then later, if
there's time for a family, maybe you can do that
if you want to be weird. What we should tell
women, I think, is you can do a lot of things.
I'm not saying you only have children and you
never do anything else. And that was never the
case historically. It was never the case. I had
my first child at 20. I had my last one at 32.
I got a lot of living, God willing, you know,
that I'll be able to do other things. I'm doing
this now. Once I have grandkids, you'll probably
never see me again because hopefully I'll be
doing a lot with that. I'll have time to do things
for my church, for my community. I could do anything
I want. I can garden. I can write books. There's
a million things you could do. And that was always
the case. This idea that women didn't have choices
before feminism is nuts. They were writing novels.
They were supporting themselves, you know, doing
all kinds of other things. And what's happened
after feminism is now I think you don't have
many choices. Because, like, my daughters, my
second oldest is like, I would love to just get
married right now and have kids. But, like, how
do we pay for it? What do I do until I find a
husband? Like, between 18, say I don't find a
guy until I'm 23. What do I do for those five
years? Just stay at home and total my thumbs?
Like, what do I do? Do I get a job? She feels
like she doesn't have choices. She would love
to stay home and have kids. Most of the women
who write to me are like, I had one lady write
to me and say, I, ever since I got together with
my boyfriend and started going to church with
him, all I can think about day in and day out
is getting married and having kids. I daydream
during the day about my future children and I
dream about them in my dreams at night. That's
all, everything in me wants to do that. But I'm
in my last year of dental school. And I have
all this debt and my parents fully expect me
to graduate and start a dental practice. And
if I told them I'm not going to do that, I'm
just going to stay home and have kids, they would
lose it. They would probably disown me. They
would think I'd lost my mind. They would say,
are you kidding? You can't do that. And I talk
to women all the time who feel like they're trapped
that way. And the truth is feminism didn't make
anything safer for women. It did the opposite.
If you look at, we have so much data on this,
cohabitative relationships where you just live
with your boyfriend have a 35 % higher domestic
violence rate than married couples. If you look
at child abuse, there's something called the
National Incidence Study. I have a whole breakdown
of this on my Substack, too. It's gone over the
last 45 years of all the data we have from every
reporting agency in the country. It's the most
comprehensive one. For the last 45 years, children
who live with married biological parents are
12 times safer on every metric, whether it's
sexual abuse, physical abuse, emotional abuse,
neglect. By a factor of 12 times safer than any
other living situation and kids that come from
disrupted family living situations like mine,
where you got divorced parents and like dad's
got a girlfriend, mom's got a new husband, those
sort of things. Those are all far, far, far unsafer
for children on every level that we look at.
And then if you look at kids from fatherless
homes, the risk for everything, addiction, learning
disabilities, mental health problems. ending
up in a juvenile facility, being homeless. It's
like between 70 to 85 percent of kids in those
situations come from fatherless homes. So what
we've done over the last 50 years is take dads
and husbands out of the home and replace them
with the government. And it has made women and
children more vulnerable to abuse. to abandonment,
to ending up on welfare, to ending up in any
number of bad situations that you can think of.
It didn't protect us. And I think if more women
knew that, they would at least, you know, give
it a second thought and be like, hmm, maybe the
whole getting married and having kids thing isn't
so terrifying. We don't fearmonger women about
what can go wrong if you dedicate your whole
life to a career. You know, we don't tell them,
well, what if this happens? What if you try to
be a brain surgeon and then you get Parkinson's
and you can never work again? What percentage
of people in this country, families in this country,
require both parents to work in order to get
by? Most. Most. So what's the solution to that?
Well, I think it's not going to be quick. It's
going to. be a multi -generational project. But
I think if you give women the choice, I believe
Simone de Beauvoir when she said that if you
give women the choice, more and more will choose
to be moms and stay home at least more. If they
can't. In this situation we're specifically talking
about where they require two incomes in order
to pay the bills. So that was me. So when Andrew
and I got together and we had two kids of our
own, we've now got a house full of kids. He's,
you know, starting his career. He's making OK
money, but nothing crazy. And we had to, like,
move out to the country where it's cheaper. We
had chickens. We had a garden. I had I learned
how to be a firearms instructor because I could
teach a class on a Saturday, only be gone for
one day of the week and make like 2000 bucks.
So I could make. Like a week's worth of money
only working one day a week on the day that he's
home. So like my advice to people, I'm not super
huge on giving advice because it depends. There's
a lot going on that I don't know your situation,
but you have to get creative. Try to find things
you can do on the side, things you can do from
home. That was one of the benefits to COVID is
now something like 30 percent of work is remote
from homework. If you can do that and kind of.
structure your day more around the kids and work
at night maybe when dad's home, things like that.
That's kind of what you have to do. In an ideal
situation. In an ideal situation, yeah. I wanted
to talk about Jack Parsons. Oh, yeah. And all
the craziness because we had gone over the fact
that this guy was working for NASA. He was involved
in rocketry. Yes. And yet he was an avowed Satanist.
Yes. And he got involved in the whole feminist
movement. Yeah. Through his girlfriend, Marjorie
Cameron, who was like an archetype of the Scarlet
Woman. So Parsons was kind of like he created
like a kind of an occult cult that was a break
off from Aleister Crowley and had a lot of Crowleyian
beliefs. When he met Marjorie Cameron, she was
like this rebellious redhead who smoked and drank
and slept around. And like all the Hollywood
dudes in his circle kind of liked her. A lot
of his friends slept with her, too. And she was
very into the occult and she was really into
like witchcraft and ritual magic. And so was
he. And so when they met, it was like instant
chemistry. And the rumor, the legend is that
they spent like, I don't know, multiple many
days, even like up to a couple of weeks. nonstop
doing sex magic together. Like that's all they
did for a couple of weeks. What's sex magic?
So according to like Crowley and a lot of these
kind of like more openly Satanist left hand path
type of occultism, the sexual experience and
the orgasm is super powerful because it can channel
your emotions in a way that nothing else can.
You get like this big surge of energy and emotion
that will make whatever spell or ritual you're
doing more powerful. So Crowley's favorite thing
to do was sodomize fellas in order to worship
demons or invoke demons. Yeah, he had he had
pets. He had dudes that were his little boy,
his bottoms for his. I need to go. Was Crowley
gay or bisexual? He was bi. He had a lot of women
he would do this stuff with, too. But he thought
that the homosexual stuff, basically the more
degenerate it is. the more intense it's going
to make the spell. Oh, boy. So cast spells while
he's butt fucking. Yeah. And then you add a little
bit of hallucinogenic drugs in there, too. And
that's where you really get the good stuff. What
impact did all these people have on feminism?
So, I mean, Parsons was also friends with the
guy who came up with Scientology, Hubbard. And
they actually fought over Marjorie Cameron for
a while. When Parsons died because he blew himself
up, you know, at home working on a rocket, he
blew himself up. Cameron didn't handle it well.
She freaked out. She moved out into the desert
and was and started her own community cult of
like moon children. So nuts. It's so nuts. She
specifically recruited like all different races
of people. Like, she focused on finding dudes
to impregnate her, supposedly, to make moon children
who were going to, like, bring the Antichrist.
And they'd go out into the desert and live on
this ranch together and do a bunch of peyote.
And she made, like, art. I have some of her art
in the book. This crazy, weird -looking, crazy
art. One of her paintings is called Peyote Vision.
It's wild. But she was doing all the sex magic
stuff to try to like reincarnate him, to try
to bring about the Antichrist. She thought she
was the Scarlet Woman that was going to be like
the Antichrist version of Mary, where the Antichrist
is born through this Scarlet Woman. And it's
references to Babylon and the end times in the
Bible and all this stuff, which Crowley did all
that stuff, too. And she was a feminist icon
because this stuff goes along with being rebellious.
There's a reason there's like an archetype of
feminists, like a stereotype that they're all
they have daddy issues. They're man haters with
daddy issues because they kind of are. It's usually
like they're very against God. They're very against
their dad. Like, you can't tell me what to do.
You're not the boss of me. I'm a strong, independent
woman. I'm going to get what I want, even if
I have to use my sexuality to do with it. It's
like a very. recurring theme of using sexuality
because women don't have the monopoly on force
men do so what do women have to get power sexuality
and the power of like determining who gets to
reproduce did you know that twice we all have
twice as many female ancestors as we do male
ancestors no so throughout history genetic studies
show that twice as many women have been able
to reproduce as men Because that's where our
power is. Our power is if you're a fertile female,
someone's going to fertilize you. You don't have
to be special or do much. As a man, you have
to compete. You have to have resources. You have
to out -compete the other men who are trying
to get the female pregnant, that sort of thing.
And a lot of men historically died in battle
really young or doing dirty or dangerous jobs.
You know, they died younger a lot of times. Or
in war. And then you'd have war brides, you know,
so they'd get impregnated again by, like, the
enemy who took them back to their homeland, that
kind of thing. So, yeah, we have this. That's
where women feel that their power lies is in
sexuality. That's why every pop star and every
movie star who's a famous woman, for the most
part, there's a handful of exceptions, but most
of them, they'll do anything to stay hot. You
know, they're trying to be sexy at 70, like...
Who was that? Jane Fonda. Sexy at 70, sexy at
80. You know, she's going to be sexy forever.
Hearing bones crack. Ow, my hip. Yeah. Yeah.
It was like, I mean, Jennifer Lopez is kind of
doing that, too. She's had how many husbands
and engagements and divorces and she's still
out there in the thong shaking it on Vegas, you
know, her Vegas shows and stuff. And yeah, she
looks good. She's got endless money to do endless
things to look good. Lord knows what they're
doing. But that's where women think their power
comes from. So Cameron was like big into pushing
this into the California like counterculture
in the 60s. And at the time, this was like, well,
in the 50s and 60s. So like even people like
Sammy Davis Jr., who's another guy that said
he was a Satanist. Sammy Davis Jr. was a Satanist?
Hanging out with Sinatra? Yeah, that's what he
said. Now, you wonder sometimes if they just
say that for shock value. I don't know. Or maybe
they had fun parties. Oh, they definitely had.
They were having ditty parties before ditty was
around. You know what I'm saying? So Cameron
was the it girl in the counterculture in L .A.
And her art was really popular and stuff. And
there's a lot that kind of came out of her popularity
that went into the mainstream later. in like
these scarlet women archetypes of like the sexy
bad girl who's rebellious and is undomesticated
and unattached you know what i mean and that's
become the cool girl now for a lot of people
and that's why like you'll see Celebrities talking
about, oh, I've had four abortions. Yeah, so
what? I do what I want. And I'm not going to
be held down by no man or no baby. I'm going
to I'm a strong, independent woman out here.
And I decide, you know, that's what that's why
you see women screaming about how abortion is
great. They go to these rallies and they're just
like screaming the most horrible things. And
I think. If you convince enough women that motherhood
and having babies is like this horrific, oppressive
ball and chain, which is what my mother was convinced
of. She was totally convinced. She said to me
once, having children is the worst thing that
ever happened to me. No offense. She said, no
offense, but it's the worst thing that ever happened
to me. And I asked her once, I was like, what
is it that you would have gone and done if it
weren't for having kids? She had no idea. She
had no answer. She just knows that it would have
been great. You know what I mean? So it's like.
They use a lot of fear of missing out. Well,
they get indoctrinated. Yeah. Yeah. And then
that becomes your primary narrative and you believe
it no matter what. And you just default to that
no matter what. Yeah. And all your discomfort
is because of this thing that you've already
identified. This is the problem. Patriarchy,
men. I got saddled down with kids. That's why
I'm miserable. Not because I'm completely unproductive.
I don't have a good community. I'm not healthy.
Right. All of the above. Isn't it weird? Have
you ever noticed like all the videos women will
make about how they get a divorce? I just went
through my divorce and then I had a post -divorce
glow up. They lose 40 pounds. They get in shape.
They get their hair done. Maybe get a little
plastic surgery, a little Botox, a little filler.
And they're like, look at me now. And it's like,
if you had done that while you were married,
you'd probably still be married and having a
great time with your husband. Perhaps the husband's
a fucking loser. Sometimes. A lot. That happens.
There's a lot of losers out there. There's a
lot of guys I wouldn't want to hitch my wagon
to. That's true. If I was a woman, like count
on this fucking dipshit to figure things out.
I think that's the other result of the sexual
liberation stuff, though, is like what motivation
do men have to be like good, dependable, upstanding
providers when they can just sleep around and
be. Fuck boys and losers and idiots. That's where
the dating apps are so crazy. It's so crazy.
Like you're on a date. Someone says one thing
you don't like. Like, let me just pick up my
phone and see who else is around. Yeah. It's
crazy that so many people are on those things.
And you're just like constantly. inundated by
options. I've never been on a dating app. It's
one of my biggest flexes in life. Never been
on a dating app. I've been with Andrew for almost
two decades now. So it's like I miss that whole
thing. I feel like I caught the last chopper
out of Nam. I have some friends that met wonderful
people on dating apps. Like I have a good buddy
of mine who met his girl on a dating app and
he loves her and they have a great relationship.
It can happen. It's just people that you don't
want to go to a bar. That's not the type of people
you want to meet in the first place. How do you
find them? And they have certain dating apps
that are more selective, I guess, about what
are you into. Try to pair someone up who's like
-minded. If you're alone and you're busy with
other stuff and you find it very hard to meet
someone, I would imagine it's really interesting.
But then also, if you're a young person and you're
just trying to bang it out out there on the streets
and, you know, you got 14 people hitting your
inbox and pictures of your abs and your fucking
flexing or whatever it is, you know, like that
is chaos. And I don't think people are supposed
to have those kind of options. No, you didn't.
You never did historically. It's only been like
15 years. It used to be your area where you live.
Those were the people to choose from. And you'd
find the best person for you in that. I interviewed
my grandma on my YouTube channel when she was
97. And I asked her, when you and Aunt Thelma,
when Thelma and Lois were looking for husbands
in the early 40s, what were the things you guys
were looking for? What did you think about when
you were looking for a guy? She's like, oh, well,
we. You know, he had to have a good reputation.
He had to come from a nice family, you know,
because you're going to you know, when you marry
a guy, you marry his family. So you got to think
about that. I wanted him to go to like the same
type of church as me and believe the same things.
And he had to, you know, have good job prospects,
you know, a good future prospects because, you
know, you want to raise a family and and those
sort of things. She did not say six foot, six
pack or six figures. None of that came up. It
was all like. pretty wholesome and very like
long term minded. Do you know what I mean? Right.
But she's thinking of the future. I don't feel
like I don't even feel like I did that. I feel
like when I was young, I was stupid and I was
like, he's cute and funny. That's good enough
for me. You know? Well, it's like it's there's
normal preferences that people have like to big,
tall guys, fit people, wealthy people as the
normal things. But it's like. The thing about
today and all the options is not just that. It's
all the performative stuff that people do consistently
and constantly online. So then you're also looking
for positive feedback from strangers constantly.
And then you're also reflecting on negative feedback
from strangers constantly. So kids today are
just overwhelmed, drowning in anxiety because
they're addicted to this. feedback and this this
thing where they're always pretending to be someone
they're not online and they're using filters
and cars that they leased and you know yeah it's
very strange yeah i have four girls and i made
a point to always show that like i'll show them
before and afters of the kardashians i'll show
them here's kylie jenner before all the like
probably hundreds of thousands of dollars worth
of work that she's had done in professional stylists
and trainers and All the facial augmentations
and all the different things that they get done.
Here's what she looked like. Just any normal
girl from your junior high. The only reason she
looks like this now. And on top of all the work
and everything else, there's filters and there's
apps that they edit everything with. And I'm
like, this isn't real. Right. Because I remember
growing up in the 90s. I don't ever remember
thinking a whole lot about. What my butt looked
like. If my nose was too big. Like, all the things
that they hype. These girls, like, pick themselves
apart today. Yeah. It's terrifying. It's, like,
heartbreaking. I think boys do the same thing.
They're like, I'm short. It's over for me. I
might as well self -delete. I'll never be anything
because I'm short. Well, what percentage of guys
are incels today? It's kind of nuts. It's pretty
high. It's really high. Like, there was a percentage
of men that don't have any sex at all right now.
And it's nuts. But it's that thing. It's like
20 percent of the men are desirable to 100 percent
of the women. Right. Those 80 percent of guys
are fucked. Yes. Yeah. I don't I don't know what
we do about that. I don't have a great answer
for that. I've tried kind of like talking like
I'll go on the whatever podcast once in a while
and kind of like ask girls probing questions
about that. Do you think it's possible that you
could be missing it? Like if you're 22 and you
won't date a guy because he only makes 50 grand
a year, it's like, yeah, well, my husband only
made 40 grand a year when we met, but he makes
way more than that now. Like you used to grow
together and having a family really motivates
a man to like hustle and grow whatever it is
that he's doing and try to be better. But it's
like if you're 22 and you're like, I won't even
look at you unless you make six figures. You're
missing out on a ton of great guys. And it's
like, what exactly do you want? What are you
looking for? And they don't even know. Well,
they're kind of programmed towards hypergamy
today, right? It seems like they're programmed
to go after the super successful, hyper successful
people and not think, oh, I'm developing a relationship
with a man and we're going to grow together.
Yeah. And they have. This is true. We know there's
problems with men, but we talk all the time about
problems with men. And I think what we tell women
is you're perfect how you are. You are a goddess,
girl, and you don't have to change for anybody.
That's what we tell women. But then how many
of those women are now on Ozempic? That was crazy.
All the body positivity women are all like 120
pounds now. They look like they're making weight
at the UFC. Yeah, all the fat is beautiful influencers
are now just like. Skeletons. Yes. It's so fucking
strange. Kind of gave the game away. You see
like Kelly Osbourne on TV. God bless her soul.
I don't know if she's doing that, but I know
a lot of them, they just get so thin. Meghan
Trainor. Meghan Trainor got popular on a song
about being a little bit chunky and having a
big butt and that boys actually like that better.
And the minute she can get a GLP -1, she's like,
never mind. I'm going to be skinny now. A lot
of people did it. A lot of people did it. Lizzo
did it. Yeah. But it's... This thing I always
say to men, you know, when they tell me like,
oh, I don't want to work out. I don't want to
do any of those things. Why do you do it? Why
do you waste all your time doing that? I go,
if I could give you a pill that could make you
really strong, like instantaneously really strong
and able to like strangle men, like you could
kill people with your bare hands. You wouldn't
take it? Do you want to be vulnerable? Do you
like it? Well, there's no pill. But if you just
work, you can become that. You can become a different
type of man. Yeah. Like that's possible. But
you don't want to do it. So you want to dismiss
it as being silly. Well, why would it be silly
to have power? It's to have strength, to have
a physical body that can like move things around
easier, that can hold people down if you have
to. If there's something terribly wrong, you
can defend yourself. Why would you not want to
have that? Well, everybody wants that. It's just
it's an incredibly long path to get there. So
they're fucking scared of it. So they dismiss
it. Yeah. It's the same thing as raising kids.
Right. It's like so I lifted weights for. Uh,
it's been like 18 years and there were periods
where I was really lean and I looked fantastic.
And then there were periods where like I, and
I lifted all through my pregnancies and everything.
Thank God. And I highly recommend it because
if you don't want to have like a lot of the complications
you can have post -pregnancy, like pelvic floor
issues, birthing issues, get really strong and
squat heavy, be able to do some heavy deadlifts
and stuff, all that. stays really strong and
it really helps with your health. I had a doctor
that told me I wasn't going to walk again after
my fourth baby because my pelvic bone separated
when I birthed her. You're not going to be able
to walk again? Yeah, she was like, you should
just get a walker. Oh my God. You're not going
to be able to do much. That lady was so callous.
I know, I was like. That's so crazy. There's
no rehab. There's nothing you could do. By that
time, I knew that most doctors give you advice
based on. They don't want to get sued. She doesn't
want to tell me to go squat because what if I
hurt myself and then it's her fault. It's so
funny. So I just went right back to I'm just
going to start with like literally lifting my
legs in bed. And then I progress. And now I've
got nothing wrong with me. I'm super strong.
I'm fine. But it's the best thing to do. And
through all those years of lifting, even when
I was a little too chunky, like after my son
passed away, I gained a lot of weight. I could
not care about myself for a couple of years.
I just couldn't bring myself to do it. But I
still went to the gym because it kept me sane.
It did more for me mentally than therapy or anything
else other than prayer. I would say prayer would
be the number one thing. Gym, a close second.
It was a really great way to battle out all of
the really strong, crazy emotions that I had.
Just one more rep. Until you're so tired that
it's like a lot of the bad feelings and stuff
you have, you have some clarity and you can kind
of figure it out. You know what I mean? That's
one thing that I think would be a good way to
develop more men is to encourage them into doing
difficult things. Yes. And difficult, hard work.
And specifically physical things because I think
your body has a certain amount of requirements
in order to maintain like a stable level of anxiety
and mental health. Yeah. I think it's a giant
– I know it's a giant factor because when I take
a few days off, if there's something wrong, if
I get hurt or something like that, I start getting
batty. Me too. And I'm like, oh, this is like
most people most of the time. Like that's a terrible
way to live your life. Yeah. Andrew knows. If
I'm – out of sorts like that he's like the gym
you haven't been to the gym and like we just
moved across the country and it was like it's
there's so much that goes into doing that especially
when he has a business and everything and there's
kids and so it was like the longest I've taken
off ever I want to say Like even with kids and
surgeries, I didn't have to take off that long.
And we finally got the home gym put in. He's
like, oh, you're normal again. Great. You're
mentally balanced again. It's great for women,
too. If you're a woman that struggles with depression
and anxiety, try pushing yourself really hard
in the gym and you'll find out what you're made
of. It doesn't mean you have to be stronger than
dudes. It doesn't. You're not going to. Get huge
muscles because you don't have enough testosterone
to do that unless you're taking gear or something.
But get in there and work out. And then you have
the added benefit of it's going to help you through
childbirth and pregnancy. As you get older, you're
not going to be fragile and need your kids to
take care of you all the time. You know what
I mean? Like my parents both have terrible health
and I want to avoid that. So I'm trying to be
like really proactive about keeping myself healthy,
avoiding heart disease, diabetes, all these things
so that my kids don't have to. have a power of
attorney and take care of me right you know right
um is there anything else you want to cover in
the book because uh it's a it's a really i didn't
read it i listened to it the guy who's reading
it was um a very odd voice it's very odd i really
wish you read it i want my husband to narrate
it i've asked multiple other people to narrate
it and i can't get anybody to do it i would love
to do a reproduction he actually did that for
free Because he thought it was he was like, this
book is so important. I'm happy to do it. He
just sounds like he has a bit of a sinus infection.
Yeah. He's got an odd voice. Yeah. Which is fine.
But it's just like it's the the information is
very fascinating. But I just I always wish people
read their own book in audio. Yeah. You know
why I didn't? Because I think I sound like. Lois
Griffin and Sarah Palin had a baby. And I don't
know that anybody wants to listen to hours of
my voice. They do. I'm sure they do. They're
listening to it right now. Maybe I'll do it.
It's all in your own head. Well, I have this
upper Midwest like old guy, you know. That's
fine. You're from the upper Midwest. It doesn't
matter. But the point is it's like it's interesting
because this is your work. It's your perspective,
you know. Yeah. It's really good. There's a lot.
I'd say if I got to say anything else about it,
I did not write this book, nor do I talk about
these things or debate feminists because I hate
women. I do not hate women. I love women. I'm
a woman. I have daughters. I have women in my
life that I love. And that's a crazy narrative.
Yeah. Well, and people think they'll say, like,
why do women act so crazy nowadays? Why are they
also crazy? And it's like, what do you think
would happen if you took any group of humans
and you said you are perfect the way you are?
You are a goddess. You are strong, independent,
whatever you are. You don't need to change. There's
nothing to be improved upon. And if if you do
something wrong, it's only because a man somewhere.
hurt you or did something bad. And that's the
only reason that you would like we've removed
accountability. We've given women more power
than the balance. I think there was a balance
already before feminism because you had women
with the power over reproduction and mate selection
and sexuality and motherhood and all the influence
they have over men through those things. And
then you had men with the monopoly on physical
force and probably like political force and things
like that. So there was kind of a balance. And
what we did with feminism was we just completely
threw it off. And now we're like, no, men, you
stay down. You be quiet. You're toxic. You're
bad. Like schools, public schools are terrible
for boys. Sit down. Be quiet. Be like Susie.
Just use the highlighter and organize things
by color and be quiet and still and soft and
nice. We HR manage boys to death now. And so
we've thrown the balance off. And what we've
done is give women all this power, but taken
away all the accountability. And it's like, why
would you not expect them to act a little crazy?
Why would it not kind of spoil them? And I don't
think women are inherently bad. I think what
feminism has done has made them. a worse version
of who they would be otherwise. I think we need
accountability and responsibility. We need to
have some self -sacrifice in life. We need to
have the same inherent human struggle that men
have and that all all people have had. And we
we did before. So every time you look in history,
this is a key thing. If you are arguing with
feminists, you're looking at history and they
say, look at this horrible thing. Women couldn't
have this or women didn't do that or there was
stigma around this. Ask yourself. Was that also
true for men? Because it always is. It always
is. Men didn't have this glorious, carefree existence,
free of responsibility, where they had all the
power and control, but none of the accountability.
That's a lie. That's a myth. But we've convinced
women of that. So now we're trying to flip it
the other way. And yeah, women are acting crazy.
We have Bonnie Blue and we have like all these
crazy OnlyFans girls and like the only women
online besides me and a handful of others are
boss babes and OnlyFans chicks and Instagram
models and blue haired screeching feminists.
That's what we ended up with. So it's like I
wrote it because I think feminism is bad for
women and I think it would help. I think it's
bad for everyone and kids. I am no longer willing
to sacrifice the welfare of children on the altar
of feminism. Ever again, I won't do it. And if
you want me to throw kids under the bus so that
women can do blah, I don't care what it is. I'm
not going to do it. I want to see kids growing
up in loving families with both their parents.
I want to see community again. I want to see
families again. All the great stuff that we all
lost from that, the loneliness epidemic, all
the depression and the anxiety. Women have higher
rates of substance abuse than... ever in recorded
history right now. Don't men also have higher
rates of substance abuse? No, it's actually stayed
pretty static with men. In fact, like Gen Z boys
hardly ever drink. Like the marijuana I think
they use more. But what about opioid addiction?
The opioid epidemic is pretty much both because
I think it's kind of medically based. A lot of
people get something, you know, surgery or whatever.
And then they get hooked. Yeah, and they get
hooked on it and then they got to go looking
for it elsewhere. But women, we've never seen
as high a rate of fetal alcohol syndrome in babies
as we're seeing now. And alcoholism is much worse
for women. Our bodies are smaller. Our livers
don't handle toxic amounts of alcohol even as
well as a man's. It's bad for men. It's even
worse for women. 26 % of American women are on
at least one psychiatric prescription drug. Yeah.
That's nuts. That's nuts. And they did something.
In my book, I covered the... A big study called
The Paradox of Female Happiness. And this came
out in 2008, I think, and it made huge waves
where they did this giant survey of women. They
had done one in the 70s and they were repeating
it. you know, 40 something years later to see
like, OK, we've had a lot of feminism. Are women
doing better? And on every metric they measured,
women reported being less fulfilled, less happy
and less content than they did in the 70s before
they were like fully liberated. And they give
a lot of reasons as to why, you know, the burden
of having to juggle work and home and the expectations
of versus reality of what feminism sold them
and things like that. And then they did a repeat
study several years later that was even more
comprehensive where they went to other countries
and other societies and different types of places
and did another survey about women's happiness
because now feminism is pretty global. There's
only a few places in the world where it hasn't
really taken hold yet. So they were like, we
should check other places. And the authors of
the study opened with something that I thought
was kind of funny. They said, regardless of where
you look. Culture, economic status, religion,
it doesn't seem to matter. Women everywhere and
always are less happy than men. And they said
the reasons for that are somewhat biological.
We have like hormonal fluctuations that men don't
deal with, you know, things like periods and
menopause and all that sort of stuff. And we're
just less emotionally stable. Women experience
three times the mental illness than men do. And
it could be for many reasons. We could like try
to tear all that apart. But feminism hasn't made
women happier. It hasn't made them safer. I don't
think it's really given them more choices. It's
just given them kind of different choices. And
children are suffering the most. And when you
tear apart the family unit, which is what the
Marxist feminists said was their explicit purpose,
because. Property rights are passed down through
men. Men, you know, build businesses and own
properties the most and pass it down to their
kids. So they're like, we got to get rid of this
fatherhood stuff, the patriarchy. We got to get
rid of the family unit, especially like the Leninist
ones were like Lenin should be the daddy. The
government should be the daddy because you see
that with a lot of. socialist -leaning cities
where they want the state to be in charge of
things like decisions whether or not a child
can medically transition, that kind of shit.
Yes, all that stuff. It's all there for reasons,
which are all detailed in the book, but it's
basically a scam. And I feel like women have
been grossly misled and horribly propagandized
to believe a whole bunch of shit that's not even
true. And if they read my book and if they look
into it themselves, they double check all my
sources, they go back and read everything themselves
and they still believe it's better for them,
that's fine. But I at least want them to know
the truth and be able to make an informed decision
about why they're living their life the way they
are and if they believe this sort of stuff and
if they really accept this feminist framework
or not. It's a really, really well -written book.
Thank you. And it's very fascinating. And I really
enjoyed this conversation. Well, thanks. I'm
so glad that you loved the book. I was really
shocked that you liked it so much. No, I really
did. It was eye -opening. How many of these people
were full -on kooks that just abandoned their
kids. And these are the people that everybody's
looking to. Like, oh, she was a boss lady. She
was a monster. She was a horrible person that
didn't think anyone should have children. There's
so much of that in the book. It's really, really
great. It's crazy. So here it is. Occult Feminism,
The Secret History of Women's Liberation. Rachel
Wilson, go get it. Thank you. Thanks so much.
It was fun. Bye, everybody.