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Welcome to this curated educational transcript of the Joe Rogan Experience. In this session, we provide a deep-dive examination of the critical perspectives and historical dialogues presented in Episode #2404. Our mission is to offer a high-fidelity, searchable research resource for students of cultural history, emerging technology, and global discourse. This transcript has been specifically optimized for academic reference, linguistic study, and archival preservation regarding Artificial Intelligence Ethics, Government Efficiency (DOGE), and the Future of Human Civilization. Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan

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Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by

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night. All day. Exactly. Just every morning.

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Whatever Jeff Bezos is doing. He's definitely

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doing some testosterone. He looks jacked. He

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looks jacked, right? Yeah, but he's like... Quick.

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Quick. Quick. Yeah, he got jacked quick. At age

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59 and less than a year, he went from pencil

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-necked geek to looking like the Rock. Yeah,

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like a little miniature alpha fella. Yeah, like

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his neck got bigger than his head. Yeah, he got

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big and quick. But then his earlier pictures,

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his neck's like a noodle. I support this activity.

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I would just see him going in this direction.

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Which is fine, and his voice dropped like two

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octaves. I want you to move in that direction

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as well. I think we can achieve this. I think

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we can achieve Giga Chad. That's what Beeple

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called it. Where is that guy? Beeple? I don't

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know where he is. That's like a real guy. The

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artist? Yeah. Oh, Giga Chad. Oh, Giga Chad. Yeah,

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I don't know if that's a real guy. It's hard

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to tell. No, no, it is a real guy. It is a real

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guy? Yeah. He's got the crazy jaw and perfect

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sculpted hair. Yeah. Well, I mean, they may have

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exaggerated a little bit. Probably. But, no,

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I think he actually just kind of looked like

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that in reality. Wow. So, like, he's a pretty

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unique -looking individual. I think we can achieve

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this. That guy right there, that's a real guy?

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That's a real dude? I always thought that was

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CGI. No, I think the upper right one is not him.

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That's not him. That one to the left of that,

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like, that's real? No, that's Art Fisher, bro.

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That's fake. That's got that Uncanny Valley feel

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to it, doesn't it? It's not impossible. No. No,

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it's not impossible to achieve. But it's not

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possible to maintain that kind of leanness. No,

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no. That's a crazy leanness. At that point, he's

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dehydrating and all sorts of things. Oh, it's

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based on a real person. Yeah, yeah. Right, but

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it's not a real person. What does he really look

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like? Those images, I think, are bullshit. Some

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of them are. Is that real? Okay, that looks real.

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That looks like a really jacked bodybuilder.

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Yeah. Yeah, that looks real. Like, that's achievable,

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but there's a few of those images where you're

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just like, what's going on here? Yeah, yeah,

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yeah, totally. Well, I mean, you see it? Is that

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the real dude? Well, there's that Icelandic dude

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who's Thor. Oh, yeah, the guy who jumps in the

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frozen lakes and shit? Well, the guy who played

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the mountain. Oh, that guy. That is like a mutant

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strong human. Yes. Yeah. Like, he would be in,

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like, the X -Men or something, you know? We were

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hanging out. I mean, he's just, like, not, like,

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and there's that, you know, I've seen that meme,

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tent and tent bag. No. You know how, like, it's,

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like, it's really hard to get the tent and tent

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and the tent? Oh, right, right. That's true.

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And there's a picture of him and his girlfriend.

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Oh, right. That's hilarious. Yeah, that's his

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wife. I don't know how it gets in there. It seems

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too small. I met Brian Shaw. Brian Shaw is the

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world's most powerful man. And he's almost seven

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feet tall. He's 400 pounds. And his bone density

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is one in 500 million people. So there's maybe

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16 people. He's an enormous human being. Like

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a legitimate giant. Just like that guy. But we

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met him. He was hanging out with us in the green

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room of the mothership. It's like, okay, if this

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is like David and Goliath days, this is an actual

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giant. Like the giants of the Bible. Once in

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a while they get a super giant person. This is

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a real one. Like, not a tall, skinny basketball

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player. Yeah, yeah. Like a 7 -foot, 400 -pound

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power lifter. Like, you don't want to... Look

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at him. That's the guy. See if there's a photo

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of him standing next to, like, a regular human.

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There it is. That's him right there. Like, there's,

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like, one of him next to standing next to Arnold

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and stuff. Yeah. And it's where... Everyone just

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looks tiny. I mean, I think he's a pretty cool

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dude, actually. Oh, Brian's very cool. Very smart,

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too. Unusually, you know, you expect anybody

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to be that big. It's got to be... A moron. Yeah.

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No. Yeah. There's Andre the Giant, who was awesome.

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Yeah. He was great in Princess Bride. No, he

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was just awesome, period. Yeah, yeah. So we were

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talking about this interview with Sam Altman

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and Tucker. And I was like, we should probably

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just talk about this on the air. Because it is

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one of the craziest interviews I think I've ever

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seen in my life. Yeah. Where Tucker starts bringing

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up this guy who was. Yeah. A whistleblower or

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whatever. A whistleblower. Yeah. Who, you know.

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committed suicide, but doesn't look like it and

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Yeah, and he's talking to Sam Altman about this

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and Sam Altman was like are you accusing me?

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He's like no no no I'm not I'm just saying I

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think someone killed him. Yeah, like and should

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be investigated. Yeah Not just drop the case

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It seems like that they just dropped the case.

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Yeah. Yeah, but it seems like he was murdered.

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Yeah The wires to a security camera were cut

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Blood in two rooms. Blood in two rooms. Someone

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else's wig was in the room. Someone else's wig.

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Wig. Wig. Yes. Not his wig. Not normal to have

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a wig laying around. Yes. And he ordered DoorDash

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right before allegedly committing suicide. Yeah.

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Which seems unusual. Yeah. It's like, I'm going

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to order pizza on second thoughts, I'll kill

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myself. It seems like that's a very rapid change

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in mindset. It's very weird, and especially the

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parents have, they don't believe he committed

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suicide at all. Has no note or anything. No.

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It seems pretty fucked up. And, you know, the

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idea that a whistleblower for an enormous AI

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company that's worth billions of dollars might

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get whacked, that's not outside the pale. I mean,

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it's straight out of a movie. Right out of a

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movie, but right out of a movie is real sometimes.

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Yeah, right. Exactly. Right? It's a little weird

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that I think they should do a proper investigation.

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Like, what's the downside on that proper investigation?

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Right. No. Yeah. For sure. Yeah, yeah. But the

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whole exchange is so bizarre. Yeah, yeah. It

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is. Sam Altman's reaction to being accused of

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murder is bizarre. Look, I don't know if he's

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guilty, but it's not possible to look more guilty.

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So I'm like. Or look more weird. Yeah. You know,

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maybe it's just his. social thing like maybe

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he's just odd with confrontation and it just

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goes blank you know but if somebody was accusing

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me of killing Jamie like if Jamie was a whistleblower

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and Jamie got whacked and then I'd be like wait

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what are you what are you are you accusing me

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of killing my friend like what the fuck are you

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talking about I would I would be a little bit

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more irate yeah yeah exactly you know I would

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be a little upset Yeah, it'd be like, well, you'd

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certainly insist on a thorough investigation.

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Yeah. As opposed to trying to sweep it under

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the rug. Yeah, I wouldn't assume that he committed

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suicide. I would be suspicious. If Tucker was

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telling me that aspect of the story, I'd be like,

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that does seem like a murder. Fuck, we should

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look into this. I mean, all signs point to it

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being a murder. Not saying, you know. Sam Altman

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had anything to do with the murder. Blood in

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two rooms. Blood in two rooms. Yeah. The wires

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to the security camera and the door dash being

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ordered right before suicide. No suicide note.

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His parents think he was murdered. And the people

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that I know who knew him said he was not suicidal.

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So I'm like this. Why would you jump to the conclusion?

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Parents have sued the landlord? They sued the

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son's landlord. Alleged the owners and the managers

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of their son's San Francisco apartment building

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were part of a widespread cover -up of his death.

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The landlord? Yeah, there's a bunch of weird...

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They said there was, like, packages missing from

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the building. Some people said they saw packages

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still being delivered, and then all of a sudden

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they all disappeared. Huh. But that could be...

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People steal people's packages all the time.

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The porch pirate situation. Yeah. It says they

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failed to safeguard. Also, I mean, the amount

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of trauma those poor parents have gone through

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with their son dying like that. I mean, it must—God

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bless them. And how could they stay sane after

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something like that? They're probably—they're

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so grief -stricken. Who knows what they believe

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at this point? Yeah. I should have asked if Epstein

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killed himself. Yeah, that's the Cash Patel thing

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with Cash Patel and Dan Bongino trying to convince

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everybody of that. The guards weren't there and

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the camera stopped working. The guards were asleep.

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The cameras weren't working. He had a giant steroided

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up bodybuilder guy that he was sharing a cell

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with that was a murderer who was a bad cop. All

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of it's kind of nuts. All of it's kind of nuts.

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Like that he would just kill himself rather than

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reveal all of his billionaire friends. Yeah.

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And then. Did you see Tim Dillon talking to Chris

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Cuomo about this? I did. Chris Cuomo just looked

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so stupid. Tim just listed off all the. Tim just.

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And he's like, I agree. It is strange. Like,

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of course it's strange, Chris. Jesus Christ.

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You can't just. Go with the tide. You got to

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think things through. And if you think that one

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through, you're like, I don't think he killed

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himself. Nobody does. You'd have to work for

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an intelligence agency to think he killed himself.

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It does seem unlikely. It seems highly unlikely.

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Highly, highly unlikely. All roads point to murder.

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Point to they had to get rid of him because he

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knew too much. Whatever the fuck he was doing,

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whatever kind of an asset he was, whatever. thing

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he was up to you know was apparently very effective

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yes and a lot of people were compromised you

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see your boy bill gates is now saying climate

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change is not a big deal like relax everybody

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i know i scared the fuck out of you for the last

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decade and a half but yeah we're gonna be fine

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yeah i mean You know, as I was saying just before

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coming into the studio, you know, like every

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day there's some crazy, wild new thing that's

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happening. It feels like reality is accelerating.

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It's every day. And every day it's like more

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and more ridiculous to the point where the simulation

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is more and more undeniable. Yeah, yeah. It really

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feels like simulation. You know, it's like, come

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on. What are the odds that this could be the

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case? Are you paying attention at all to 3i Atlas?

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Are you watching that? Oh, there's the comet?

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Yeah, whatever it is. Yeah, yeah. I mean, one

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thing I can say is, like, look, if I was aware

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of any evidence of aliens, Joe, you have my word,

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I will come on your show, and I will reveal it

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on the show. Okay. Yeah. That's a good deal.

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Yeah, it's a pretty good deal. I believe you.

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Yeah, thank you. Appreciate that. I'll stick

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to it. I keep my promises. All right. I'll hold

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you to that. Yeah. And I'm never committing suicide,

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to be clear. I don't think you would either.

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Also, on camera, guys, I am never committing

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suicide. Ever. If someone says you committed

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suicide, I will fight tooth and nail. Thank you.

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I will fight tooth and nail. I will not believe

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it. I will not believe it. The thing about the

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three -eye atlas is it's weird. That's a hell

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of a name, actually. Yeah. It's a third interstellar.

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It sounds like third eye or something. Yeah,

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it does. Three eye is a third. It's only the

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third interstellar object that's detected. Okay.

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Yeah. Avi Loeb. Yeah. Avi Loeb was on the podcast

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a couple days ago talking about it. Yeah. It

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could be on his. I don't know. Apparently today

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they're saying that it's changed course. Did

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you see that, Jamie? No. Avi Loeb said something

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today. I'll send it to you. I know it's on Reddit.

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Here you go, Jamie. I'll send it to you right

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now. It's fascinating. It's fascinating also

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because it's made almost entirely of nickel,

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whatever it is. And the only way that exists

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here is industrial alloys apparently. No, there

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are definitely comets and asteroids that are

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made primarily of nickel. Oh, really? Yeah. So

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the places where you mine nickel on Earth is

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actually where there was an asteroid or comet

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that hit Earth that was a nickel rich. Oh, wow.

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Nickel -rich deposit? Yeah, those are from impacts.

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You definitely didn't want to be there at the

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time because anything would have been obliterated.

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Right. But that's where the sources of nickel

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and cobalt are these days. So this is Avi Loeb.

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A few hours ago, the first hint of non -gravitational

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acceleration that something other than gravity

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is affecting its acceleration, meaning something

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is affecting its trajectory beyond gravity was

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indicated. Interesting. Dun, dun, dun. So it's

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mostly nickel, very little iron, which he was

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saying is on Earth. It only exists in alloys.

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But whatever, you know, you're dealing with another

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planet. There are cases where there's very nickel

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-rich asteroids. And that's what it is for something

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from space. Yeah, it doesn't mean – it would

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be a very sort of heavy spaceship to make it

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all out of nickel. Oh, yeah. And fucking huge.

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The size of Manhattan and all nickel? That's

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kind of nuts. Yeah. That's a heavy spaceship.

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That's a real problem if it hits. Yes. No, it

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would obliterate a continent type of thing. Yeah.

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Maybe worse. It would probably kill most of human

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life. If not all of us. It depends on what the

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total mass is, but... I mean, the thing is, in

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the fossil record, there are... There's arguably

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five major extinction events. like the biggest

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one of which is the Permian extinction, where

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almost all life was eliminated. That actually

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occurred over several million years. There's

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the Jurassic. I think Jurassic is, I think that

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one's pretty definitively an asteroid. But there's

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been five major extinction events. But what they

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don't count are really the ones that merely take

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out a continent. Merely? Yeah, because those

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don't really show up on the fossil record. Right.

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So unless it's enough to cause a mass extinction

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event throughout Earth, it doesn't show up in

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a fossil record that's 200 million years old.

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So, yeah. But there have been many impacts that

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would have sort of destroyed all life on, you

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know. let's say half of North America or something

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like that. There have been many such impacts

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through the course of history. Yeah, and there's

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nothing we can do about it right now. Yeah, there

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was one that hit Siberia and destroyed, I think,

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a few hundred square miles. Oh, that's the Tunguska.

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Yeah. Yeah. That's the one from the 1920s, right?

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Yeah. Yeah. That's the one that coincides with

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that meteor, that comet storm that we go through

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every June and every November that they think

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is responsible for that Younger Dryas impact.

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Yeah. All that shit's crazy. Thank you, before

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we go any further, for letting us have a tour

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of SpaceX. You're welcome. And letting us be

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there for the rocket launch. Sure. One of the

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absolute coolest things I've ever seen in my

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life. And we thought it was only like, I thought

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it was a half a mile. Jamie's like it was a mile

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away. Turned out it's almost two miles away.

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And you feel it in your chest. Yeah. You have

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to wear earplugs and you feel it in your chest

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and it's two miles away. It was fucking amazing.

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And then to go with you up into the command center

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and to watch all the Starlink satellites with

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all the different cameras and all in real time

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as it made its way all the way to Australia.

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How many minutes? Like 35, 40 minutes? Yeah.

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Wild. Watch it touchdown in Australia. Yeah.

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Fucking crazy. It was amazing. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely

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amazing. The Starship's awesome. And anyone can

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go watch the launch, actually. So you can just

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go to South Padre Island and get a great view

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of the launch. So it's like where a lot of spring

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breakers go. But we're flying pretty frequently

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out of Starbase in South Texas. And we formally

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incorporated it as a city. So it's actually an

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actual legal city, Starbase, Texas. It's not

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that often you hear, like, hey, we made a city,

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you know. That used to be like in the old days,

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like a startup would be you go and gather a bunch

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of people and say, hey, let's go make a town.

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Literally. Right. That would have been startups

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in the old days. Or a country. Yeah, or a country.

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Yeah. Yeah, yeah, actually. If you tried doing

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that today, there'd be a real problem. Yeah.

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There's so much set in stone on the country front

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these days. You might be able to pull it off.

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You might be able to pull it off. If you got

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a solid island, you might be able to pull it

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off. Probably. You know, like Larry Ellison owns

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Lanai. Is this it right here? If you put enough

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effort into it, you could make a new country.

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This is one of the different ones. This is one

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of the ones that you catch, right? Yeah, that's

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the booster. So that's the super heavy booster.

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The booster's got 33 engines. By version 4, that

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will have about 10 ,000 tons of thrust. Right

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now, it's about 7 ,000, 8 ,000 tons of thrust.

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That's the largest flying object ever made. I

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had to explain to someone. They were going, why

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do they blow up all the time if you're so smart?

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Because there was this fucking idiot on television.

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Some guy was being interviewed and they were

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talking about you. And he goes, oh, I think he's

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a fuckwit. And he goes, he's a fuckwit. And he

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goes, why do you say he's a fuckwit? Oh, his

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rockets keep blowing up. And someone said, yeah,

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well, why do his rockets blow up? And I had to

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explain. Because it's the only way you find out

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what the tolerances are. You have to. You have

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to explore the corners of the box. So when you

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do a new rocket development program, you have

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to do what's called exploring the limits, the

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corners of the box, where you say it's like worst

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case this, worst case that, to figure out where

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the limits are. Admittedly, in the development

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process, sometimes it blows up accidentally.

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But we intentionally subject it to... you know,

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a flight regime that is much worse than what

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we expect in normal flight so that when we put

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people on board or valuable cargo, it doesn't

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blow up. So, for example, for the flight that

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you saw, we actually deliberately took heat shield

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tiles off the ship, off of Starship in some of

00:19:03.250 --> 00:19:05.710
the worst locations to say, okay, if we lose

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a heat shield tile here, is it catastrophic or

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is it not? And nonetheless, Starship was able

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to do a soft landing in the Indian Ocean just

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west of Australia. And it got there from Texas

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in like, I don't know, 35, 40 minutes type of

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thing. So it landed even though you put it through

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this situation where it has compromised shield.

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It had an unusually – We brought it in hot, like

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an extra hot trajectory with missing tiles to

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see if it would still make it to a soft landing,

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which it did. Now, I should point out, there

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were some holes that were burnt into it. But

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it was robust enough to land despite having some

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holes burnt into it. Because it's coming in like

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a blazing meteor. You can see the real -time

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video. Well, tell me the speed again because

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the speed was bananas. You were talking about—

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Yeah, it's like 17 ,000 miles an hour. I'll call

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it like 25 times the speed of sound or thereabouts.

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So think of it like it's like 12 times faster

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than a bullet from an assault rifle. A bullet

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from an assault rifle is around Mach 2. And it's

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huge. Yeah. Yeah. Or compare it to like a bullet

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from a .45 or 9mm, which is subsonic. It'll be

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about 30 times faster than a bullet from a handgun.

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30 times faster than a bullet from a handgun,

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and it's the size of a skyscraper. Yes. Yeah.

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That's fast. It's so wild. It's so wild to see,

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man. It's so exciting. The factor is so exciting,

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too, because genuinely, no bullshit, I felt like

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I was witnessing history. I felt like it was

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a scene in a movie where someone had expectations,

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and they go, what are they doing? They're building

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rockets, and you go there. And as we were walking

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through, Jamie, you can speak to this too. Didn't

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you have the feeling where you're like, oh, this

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is way bigger than I thought it was. This is

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huge. It's awesome. It's gigantic. Fucking crazy.

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That's what she said. The amount of rockets you're

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making. 10 -pack. Giga Chad in the house. This

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is way bigger than I thought it was. It's a giant

00:21:25.619 --> 00:21:28.099
metal dick. You're fucking the universe with

00:21:28.099 --> 00:21:31.259
your giant metal dick. Yeah, I mean. Yeah, it

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is very vague. And the sheer numbers of them

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that you guys are making. And then this is a

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version, and you have a new updated version that's

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coming soon. And what is the difference? It's

00:21:43.799 --> 00:21:47.559
a little longer. More pointy? Same amount of

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pointy. But it's got a bit more length. The interstage,

00:21:53.619 --> 00:21:55.759
you see that interstage section with kind of

00:21:55.759 --> 00:21:59.259
like the grill area? Mm -hmm. That's now integrated

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with the boost stage. So we do what's called

00:22:03.700 --> 00:22:06.279
hot staging, where we light the ship engines

00:22:06.279 --> 00:22:08.339
while it's still attached to the booster. So

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the booster engines are still thrusting. It's

00:22:12.539 --> 00:22:14.000
still being pushed forward by the booster of

00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:16.140
the ship, but then we light the ship engines,

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and the ship engines actually pull away from

00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:20.660
the booster, even though the booster engines

00:22:20.660 --> 00:22:24.180
are still firing. Whoa. So it's blasting flame

00:22:24.180 --> 00:22:27.640
through that grill section, but we integrate

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that grill section into the boost stage with

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the next version of the rocket. And the next

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version of the rocket will have the Raptor III

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engines, which are a huge improvement. You may

00:22:41.029 --> 00:22:43.410
have seen them in the lobby. Yeah. Because we've

00:22:43.410 --> 00:22:45.990
got like the Raptor 1, 2, and 3. And you can

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see the dramatic improvement in simplicity. We

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should probably put a plaque there to also show

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how much we reduced the weight, the cost, and

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improved the efficiency and the thrust. So the

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Raptor 3 has almost twice the thrust of Raptor

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1. Wow. So you see Raptor 3. It looks like...

00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:12.819
It's got parts missing, right? And how many of

00:23:12.819 --> 00:23:14.599
them? It's very, very clean. How many of them

00:23:14.599 --> 00:23:18.180
are on the rocket? There's 33 on the booster.

00:23:18.920 --> 00:23:25.799
Whoa. And each Raptor engine is producing twice

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as much thrust as all four engines on a 747.

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Wow. So that engine is smaller than a 747 engine,

00:23:35.019 --> 00:23:40.579
but it's producing... almost 10 times the thrust

00:23:40.579 --> 00:23:45.299
of a 747 engine. Wow. So extremely high power

00:23:45.299 --> 00:23:51.279
-to -weight ratio, and there's 33 of them. So

00:23:51.279 --> 00:23:53.380
when you're designing these, you get to Raptor

00:23:53.380 --> 00:23:56.000
1, you see its efficiency, you see where you

00:23:56.000 --> 00:23:58.220
can improve it, you get to Raptor 2. How far

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can you scale this up with just the same sort

00:24:02.039 --> 00:24:04.680
of technology, with propellant and ignition and

00:24:04.680 --> 00:24:09.109
engines? How much further can you... We're pushing

00:24:09.109 --> 00:24:16.250
the limits of physics here. And really, in order

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to make a fully reusable orbital rocket, which

00:24:19.890 --> 00:24:22.170
no one has succeeded in doing yet, including

00:24:22.170 --> 00:24:27.650
us, but Starship is the first time that there

00:24:27.650 --> 00:24:31.170
is a design for a rocket where full and rapid

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reusability is actually possible. So it was not...

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There's not even been a design before where it

00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:40.140
was possible, certainly not a design that made

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any hardware at all. We live on a planet where

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the gravity is quite high. Earth's gravity is

00:24:50.440 --> 00:24:55.220
really quite high. And if the gravity was even

00:24:55.220 --> 00:24:59.700
10 % or 20 % higher, we'd be stuck on Earth forever.

00:25:01.009 --> 00:25:03.630
Really? Yeah. We certainly couldn't use conventional

00:25:03.630 --> 00:25:05.250
rockets. You'd have to like blow yourself off

00:25:05.250 --> 00:25:06.829
the surface with like a nuclear bomb or something

00:25:06.829 --> 00:25:11.549
crazy. So on the other hand, if Earth's gravity

00:25:11.549 --> 00:25:14.569
was just a little lower, like even 10%, 20 %

00:25:14.569 --> 00:25:18.150
lower, then getting to orbit would be easy. So

00:25:18.150 --> 00:25:21.430
it's like if this was a video game, it's set

00:25:21.430 --> 00:25:24.049
to like maximum difficulty but not impossible.

00:25:24.750 --> 00:25:30.359
Okay. So that's where we have here. It's not

00:25:30.359 --> 00:25:34.440
as though others have ignored the concept of

00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:37.180
reusability. They've just concluded that it was

00:25:37.180 --> 00:25:40.019
too difficult to achieve. And we've been working

00:25:40.019 --> 00:25:46.759
on this for a long time at SpaceX. And I'm the

00:25:46.759 --> 00:25:49.680
chief engineer of the company, although I should

00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:53.039
say that we're an extremely talented engineering

00:25:53.039 --> 00:25:55.720
team. I think we've got the best rocket engineering

00:25:55.720 --> 00:25:59.549
team that has ever been assembled. It's an honor

00:25:59.549 --> 00:26:05.789
to work with such incredible people. So it's

00:26:05.789 --> 00:26:08.849
fair to say that we have not yet succeeded in

00:26:08.849 --> 00:26:11.930
achieving full reusability, but we at last have

00:26:11.930 --> 00:26:15.269
a rocket where full reusability is possible.

00:26:16.569 --> 00:26:23.529
And I think we'll achieve it next year. So that's

00:26:23.529 --> 00:26:26.240
a really big deal. And the reason that's such

00:26:26.240 --> 00:26:31.720
a big deal is that full reusability drops the

00:26:31.720 --> 00:26:38.779
cost of access to space by 100. Maybe even more

00:26:38.779 --> 00:26:41.500
than 100, actually. So it could be like 1 ,000.

00:26:42.059 --> 00:26:43.960
You can think of it like any mode of transport.

00:26:44.119 --> 00:26:48.420
Like imagine if aircraft were not reusable. Like

00:26:48.420 --> 00:26:49.799
you flew somewhere, you have to throw the plane

00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:52.019
out. Like imagine if, like the way conventional

00:26:52.019 --> 00:26:54.299
rockets work. It would be like if you had an

00:26:54.299 --> 00:26:57.180
airplane, and instead of landing at your destination,

00:26:57.500 --> 00:27:01.099
you parachute out, and the plane crashes somewhere,

00:27:01.319 --> 00:27:04.640
and you land and parachute at your destination.

00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:09.160
That would be a very expensive trip. And you'd

00:27:09.160 --> 00:27:13.339
need another plane to get back. But that's how

00:27:13.339 --> 00:27:16.480
the other rockets in the world work. Now, the

00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:19.319
SpaceX Falcon rocket is the only one that is

00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:23.420
at least mostly reusable. Falcon rocket, you

00:27:23.420 --> 00:27:26.599
know, land. We've now done over 500 landings

00:27:26.599 --> 00:27:29.759
of the SpaceX rocket, of the Falcon 9 rocket.

00:27:31.599 --> 00:27:38.039
And this year, you know, we'll deliver probably,

00:27:38.259 --> 00:27:42.480
I don't know, somewhere between 2 ,200 and 2

00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:46.839
,500 tons to orbit with the Falcon 9, Falcon

00:27:46.839 --> 00:27:49.920
heavy rockets, not counting anything from Starship.

00:27:50.740 --> 00:27:55.059
And this is mostly Starlink? Yes, mostly Starlink,

00:27:55.099 --> 00:28:00.480
but we even launched our competitors to Starlink

00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:02.779
on Falcon 9. We charge them the same price, pretty

00:28:02.779 --> 00:28:08.460
fair. But SpaceX this year will deliver roughly

00:28:08.460 --> 00:28:12.480
90 % of all Earth mass to orbit. Wow. And then

00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:16.559
of the remaining 10%, most of that is done by

00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:21.319
China. then the remaining roughly 4 % is everyone

00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:24.319
else in the world, including our domestic competitors.

00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:28.940
You know, it's kind of incredible how many things

00:28:28.940 --> 00:28:31.660
are in space, like how many things are floating

00:28:31.660 --> 00:28:34.660
above us now. There's a lot of things. Space

00:28:34.660 --> 00:28:37.920
is big, though. Right. But is there a saturation

00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:40.460
point where we're going to have problems with

00:28:40.460 --> 00:28:44.079
all these different satellites? I think as long

00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:49.670
as the satellites are maintained, It'll be fine.

00:28:49.809 --> 00:28:56.849
Space is very roomy. You can think of space as

00:28:56.849 --> 00:28:58.809
being concentric shells of the surface of the

00:28:58.809 --> 00:29:05.730
Earth. It's the surface of the Earth, but it's

00:29:05.730 --> 00:29:09.869
a series of concentric shells. And think of an

00:29:09.869 --> 00:29:12.210
Airstream trailer flying around up there. There's

00:29:12.210 --> 00:29:15.130
a lot of room for Airstreams. Yeah. I mean, imagine

00:29:15.130 --> 00:29:17.549
if there were just a few thousand airstreams

00:29:17.549 --> 00:29:20.250
on Earth. Yeah. What are the odds that they'd

00:29:20.250 --> 00:29:21.690
hit each other? They wouldn't be very crowded.

00:29:21.829 --> 00:29:24.549
No. And then you've got to go bigger because

00:29:24.549 --> 00:29:27.049
you're dealing with far above Earth, hundreds

00:29:27.049 --> 00:29:29.549
of miles above Earth. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's

00:29:29.549 --> 00:29:35.470
the – but the goal of SpaceX is to – Get rocket

00:29:35.470 --> 00:29:37.410
technology to the point where we can extend life

00:29:37.410 --> 00:29:39.529
beyond Earth and that we can establish a self

00:29:39.529 --> 00:29:42.690
-sustaining city on Mars, a permanent base on

00:29:42.690 --> 00:29:44.470
the moon. That would be very cool. I mean, imagine

00:29:44.470 --> 00:29:47.230
if we had like a moon -based alpha where there

00:29:47.230 --> 00:29:48.950
was like a permanent science base on the moon.

00:29:49.269 --> 00:29:51.609
That would be pretty dope. Or at least a tourist

00:29:51.609 --> 00:29:55.089
trap. I mean... A lot of people would be willing

00:29:55.089 --> 00:29:58.049
to go to the moon for... Just for a tour? That's

00:29:58.049 --> 00:29:59.869
for sure. We could probably pay for our space

00:29:59.869 --> 00:30:02.390
program with that. Probably, yeah. Because it's

00:30:02.390 --> 00:30:06.130
like, if you could go to the moon and safely,

00:30:06.349 --> 00:30:12.049
I think we'd get a lot of people would pay for

00:30:12.049 --> 00:30:15.230
that. Oh, 100%. After the first year, after nobody

00:30:15.230 --> 00:30:18.069
died. Yeah, yeah, just make sure. Are you going

00:30:18.069 --> 00:30:20.049
to come back? Because like that submarine, they

00:30:20.049 --> 00:30:23.609
had a bunch of successful launches in that private

00:30:23.609 --> 00:30:25.710
submarine before it imploded and killed everybody.

00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:28.099
That was not a good design, obviously. It was

00:30:28.099 --> 00:30:30.259
a very bad design. Terrible design. And the engineer

00:30:30.259 --> 00:30:32.339
said it would not withstand the pressure of those

00:30:32.339 --> 00:30:34.180
depths. There was a lot of whistleblowers in

00:30:34.180 --> 00:30:38.599
that company, too. Yeah. They made that out of

00:30:38.599 --> 00:30:41.420
carbon fiber, which doesn't make any sense because

00:30:41.420 --> 00:30:46.220
you actually need to be dense to go down. In

00:30:46.220 --> 00:30:47.579
any case, you just make it out of steel. If you

00:30:47.579 --> 00:30:51.619
make it out of sort of just, you know. a big

00:30:51.619 --> 00:30:54.440
steel casting, you'll be safe and nothing will

00:30:54.440 --> 00:30:55.859
happen. Why would they make it out of carbon

00:30:55.859 --> 00:30:58.619
fiber then? Is it cheaper? I think they think

00:30:58.619 --> 00:31:00.680
carbon fiber sounds cool or something. It does

00:31:00.680 --> 00:31:04.440
sound cool. It sounds cool, but because it's

00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:06.900
such low density, you actually have to add extra

00:31:06.900 --> 00:31:10.660
mass to go down because it's low density. But

00:31:10.660 --> 00:31:13.099
if you just have a giant hollow ball bearing,

00:31:13.359 --> 00:31:16.079
you're going to be fine. Speaking of carbon fiber,

00:31:16.140 --> 00:31:18.640
check out my unplugged Tesla out there. Yeah,

00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:20.720
it's cool. Pretty sick, right? Yeah. Have you

00:31:20.720 --> 00:31:21.960
guys ever thought about doing something like

00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:24.279
that? Like having like an AMG division of Tesla

00:31:24.279 --> 00:31:29.980
where you do like custom stuff? I think it's

00:31:29.980 --> 00:31:33.259
best to leave that to the custom shops. You know,

00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:37.660
we're... Like Tesla's focus is autonomous cars.

00:31:38.700 --> 00:31:41.099
You know, building kind of futuristic autonomous

00:31:41.099 --> 00:31:50.140
cars. So... I think we want the future to look

00:31:50.140 --> 00:31:54.759
like the future. Did you see our designs for

00:31:54.759 --> 00:32:00.119
the robotic bus? No. It looks pretty cool. The

00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:02.200
robotic bus? It's supposed to be a totally autonomous

00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:03.279
bus? We need to actually figure out the good

00:32:03.279 --> 00:32:05.180
name for it. I think we'll call it the row bus.

00:32:06.220 --> 00:32:08.900
What do you call this thing? It looks cool. It's

00:32:08.900 --> 00:32:11.839
very Art Deco. It's like futuristic Art Deco.

00:32:16.549 --> 00:32:20.230
I think we want to change the aesthetic over

00:32:20.230 --> 00:32:23.430
time. You don't want the aesthetic to be constant

00:32:23.430 --> 00:32:25.670
over time. You want to evolve the aesthetic.

00:32:28.609 --> 00:32:35.089
I have a son who's even more autistic than me.

00:32:36.529 --> 00:32:39.829
But he has these great observations. Who is this?

00:32:40.109 --> 00:32:42.650
A Saxon. He has these great observations in the

00:32:42.650 --> 00:32:45.549
world. Because he just views the world through

00:32:45.549 --> 00:32:49.950
a different lens than most people. And he's like,

00:32:49.990 --> 00:32:51.609
Dad, why does the world look like it's 2015?

00:32:55.410 --> 00:32:57.269
And I'm like, damn, the world does look like

00:32:57.269 --> 00:33:00.089
it's 2015. Like the aesthetic has not evolved

00:33:00.089 --> 00:33:01.470
since 2015. Whoa, that's what it looks like?

00:33:01.549 --> 00:33:04.569
Yeah. Oh, wow. That's pretty cool. Oh, yeah.

00:33:05.029 --> 00:33:07.109
Like you'd want to see that going down the road,

00:33:07.190 --> 00:33:09.450
you know? Yeah. You'd be like, okay, we're in

00:33:09.450 --> 00:33:11.859
the future. You know? It doesn't look like 2015.

00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:14.480
What is that ancient science fiction movie? Like,

00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:15.940
one of the first science fiction movies ever.

00:33:16.079 --> 00:33:17.960
Is it Metropolis? Is that what it is? Yeah, yeah.

00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:20.019
Yeah. That looks like it belongs in Metropolis.

00:33:20.460 --> 00:33:23.099
Yeah, yeah. It's a futuristic art deco. Yeah.

00:33:24.220 --> 00:33:26.559
Yeah, well, that's cool that you're concentrating

00:33:26.559 --> 00:33:28.759
on the aesthetic. I mean, that's kind of the

00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:30.420
whole deal with Cybertruck, right? Like, it didn't

00:33:30.420 --> 00:33:33.160
have to look like that. No. I just wanted to

00:33:33.160 --> 00:33:34.859
have something that looked really different.

00:33:35.180 --> 00:33:36.839
Is it a pain in the ass for people to get it

00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:40.319
insured because it's all solid steel and... I

00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:42.759
hope it's not too much. Tesla does offer insurance,

00:33:42.819 --> 00:33:49.470
so people can always get insured at Tesla. Form

00:33:49.470 --> 00:33:51.230
does follow function in the case of the cyber

00:33:51.230 --> 00:33:54.289
truck because, as you demonstrated with your

00:33:54.289 --> 00:33:57.230
armor -piercing arrow, because if you shot that

00:33:57.230 --> 00:34:00.569
arrow at a regular truck, you would have found

00:34:00.569 --> 00:34:04.769
your arrow in the wall. At the very least, it

00:34:04.769 --> 00:34:06.250
would have buried into one of the seats. Yeah,

00:34:06.250 --> 00:34:10.929
yeah. But you could definitely get enough of

00:34:10.929 --> 00:34:14.380
a... bow velocity and the right arrow would go

00:34:14.380 --> 00:34:16.900
through both doors of a regular truck and land

00:34:16.900 --> 00:34:18.699
in the wall. Yeah. If there was a clear shot

00:34:18.699 --> 00:34:20.420
between both doors, it probably would have passed

00:34:20.420 --> 00:34:23.559
right through. Yeah, exactly. But, you know,

00:34:23.559 --> 00:34:25.440
the arrow shattered on the Cybertruck because

00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:32.119
it's ultra -hard stainless. So, and I thought

00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:35.570
it would be cool to have... you know, a truck

00:34:35.570 --> 00:34:37.690
that is bulletproof to a subsonic projectile.

00:34:38.869 --> 00:34:41.170
So, you know, especially in this day and age,

00:34:41.250 --> 00:34:44.809
you know, like if the apocalypse happens, you're

00:34:44.809 --> 00:34:47.309
going to want to have a bulletproof truck, you

00:34:47.309 --> 00:34:51.909
know. So then because it's made of ultra -hot

00:34:51.909 --> 00:34:54.889
stainless, you can't just stamp the panels. You

00:34:54.889 --> 00:34:56.269
can't just put in a stamping press because it

00:34:56.269 --> 00:35:00.710
breaks the press. So in order to actually – so

00:35:00.710 --> 00:35:04.449
it has to be planar. Because it's so difficult

00:35:04.449 --> 00:35:06.869
to bend. Because it breaks the machine that bends

00:35:06.869 --> 00:35:12.929
it. That's why it's so planar. And it's not,

00:35:13.090 --> 00:35:17.210
you know, it's because it's bulletproof steel.

00:35:17.809 --> 00:35:20.610
Right. So it is like boxy as opposed to like

00:35:20.610 --> 00:35:24.610
curved. Yeah. In order to make like the curved

00:35:24.610 --> 00:35:34.000
shapes, you take basically mild steel. In a regular

00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:38.079
truck or car, you take mild, thin annealed steel,

00:35:38.199 --> 00:35:41.400
you put it in a stamping press, and it just smooshes

00:35:41.400 --> 00:35:45.079
it and makes it whatever shape you want. But

00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:47.460
the Cybertruck is made of ultra -hard stainless,

00:35:47.900 --> 00:35:52.639
and so you can't stamp it because it would break

00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:57.119
the stamping press. So even bending it is hard.

00:35:57.639 --> 00:36:00.619
So even to bend it to its current position, we

00:36:00.619 --> 00:36:05.559
have to way overbend it so that when it springs

00:36:05.559 --> 00:36:13.639
back, it's in the right position. I think it's

00:36:13.639 --> 00:36:17.099
a unique aesthetic. And you say, well, what's

00:36:17.099 --> 00:36:21.199
cool about a truck? Trucks should be, I don't

00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:24.619
know, manly. They should be macho. And bulletproof

00:36:24.619 --> 00:36:27.840
is maximum macho. Piedras mas macho. Are you

00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:31.719
married to that shape now? Can you do anything

00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:35.860
to change it? I know you guys updated the 3 and

00:36:35.860 --> 00:36:39.079
the Y. Did you update the Y as well? Yes. The

00:36:39.079 --> 00:36:46.300
3 and the Y are updated. There's a screen in

00:36:46.300 --> 00:36:48.219
the back that the kids can watch, for example,

00:36:48.320 --> 00:36:55.110
in the new 3 and Y. So in the new Y. There's,

00:36:55.110 --> 00:36:58.849
you know, there's like hundreds of improvements.

00:36:58.969 --> 00:37:01.349
Like, we keep improving the car. And even the

00:37:01.349 --> 00:37:04.650
Cybertruck, you know, we keep improving it. But,

00:37:04.809 --> 00:37:08.750
you know, I wanted to just do something that

00:37:08.750 --> 00:37:11.849
looked unique. And the Cybertruck looks unique

00:37:11.849 --> 00:37:15.070
and has unique functionality. And there were

00:37:15.070 --> 00:37:18.989
three things I was aiming for. It's like, let's

00:37:18.989 --> 00:37:22.730
make it bulletproof. Let's make it faster than

00:37:22.730 --> 00:37:25.500
a Porsche 911. And we actually cleared the quarter

00:37:25.500 --> 00:37:30.960
mile. The Cybertruck can clear a quarter mile

00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:35.519
while towing a Porsche 911 faster than a Porsche

00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:44.059
911. It can out -tow an F -350 diesel. Really?

00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:47.340
Yes. What is the tow limitations? I mean, we

00:37:47.340 --> 00:37:50.460
could tow, like, you know, a 747 in that, with

00:37:50.460 --> 00:37:53.420
a Cybertruck. A Cybertruck is an insanely, like,

00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:59.340
it is alien technology, okay? Because it shouldn't

00:37:59.340 --> 00:38:04.719
be possible to be that big and that fast. That

00:38:04.719 --> 00:38:06.679
doesn't, it's like an elephant that runs like

00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:10.260
a cheetah. Yeah, because it's 0 -60 in less than

00:38:10.260 --> 00:38:12.619
three seconds, right? Yes. Yeah, and it's enormous.

00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:15.599
What does it weigh, like 7 ,000 pounds? Yeah,

00:38:15.739 --> 00:38:17.460
this is different configurations, but it's about

00:38:17.460 --> 00:38:25.960
that. It's a beast. Yeah. And it's got four -wheel

00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:29.400
steering. So the rear wheels steer, too. So it's

00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:32.659
got a very tight turning radius. Yeah, we noticed

00:38:32.659 --> 00:38:35.300
that when we drove one to Starbase. Yeah, very

00:38:35.300 --> 00:38:37.219
tight turning radius. Yeah, pretty sick. Yeah.

00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:42.239
Are you still doing the Roadster? Yes. Eventually?

00:38:44.590 --> 00:38:48.630
We're getting close to demonstrating the prototype.

00:38:49.670 --> 00:38:55.550
And I think this will be... One thing I can guarantee

00:38:55.550 --> 00:38:59.809
is that this product demo will be unforgettable.

00:39:02.489 --> 00:39:08.650
Unforgettable. How so? Whether it's good or bad,

00:39:08.869 --> 00:39:16.650
it will be unforgettable. Can you say more? What

00:39:16.650 --> 00:39:19.070
do you mean? Well, you know, my friend Peter

00:39:19.070 --> 00:39:25.269
Thiel once reflected that the future was supposed

00:39:25.269 --> 00:39:26.849
to have flying cars, but we don't have flying

00:39:26.849 --> 00:39:31.869
cars. So you're going to be able to fly? Well,

00:39:31.929 --> 00:39:37.929
I mean, I think if Peter wants a flying car,

00:39:38.030 --> 00:39:43.349
we should be able to buy one. So you're... Are

00:39:43.349 --> 00:39:45.349
you actively considering making an electric flying

00:39:45.349 --> 00:39:48.710
car? Is this, like, a real thing? Well, we'll

00:39:48.710 --> 00:39:51.170
have to see in the... In the demo. So when you

00:39:51.170 --> 00:39:54.769
do this, like, are you going to have a retractable

00:39:54.769 --> 00:40:00.429
wing? Like, what is the idea behind this? Don't

00:40:00.429 --> 00:40:04.789
be sly. Come on. Tell us. I can't do the unveil

00:40:04.789 --> 00:40:09.550
before the unveil. But... Tell me off -air, then.

00:40:10.530 --> 00:40:15.159
Look, I think it has... A shot at being the most

00:40:15.159 --> 00:40:23.280
memorable product unveil ever. It has a shot.

00:40:24.380 --> 00:40:27.260
And when do you plan on doing this? What's the

00:40:27.260 --> 00:40:31.960
goal? Hopefully before the end of the year. Really?

00:40:32.139 --> 00:40:35.900
Before the end of this year? Yeah, like in a

00:40:35.900 --> 00:40:38.079
couple months. Hopefully in a couple months.

00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:42.559
You know, we need to make sure that it works.

00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:48.360
Like, this is some crazy, crazy technology we

00:40:48.360 --> 00:40:53.380
got in this car. Crazy technology. Crazy, crazy.

00:40:54.559 --> 00:40:58.860
So different than what was previously announced?

00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:02.699
Yes. And is that why you haven't released it

00:41:02.699 --> 00:41:06.159
yet? Because you keep fucking with it? It has

00:41:06.159 --> 00:41:09.460
crazy technology. Okay. Like, is it even a car?

00:41:10.090 --> 00:41:16.309
I'm not sure. It looks like a car. Let's just

00:41:16.309 --> 00:41:19.190
put it this way. It's crazier than anything James

00:41:19.190 --> 00:41:23.570
Bond. If you took all the James Bond cars and

00:41:23.570 --> 00:41:29.070
combined them, it's crazier than that. Very exciting.

00:41:29.949 --> 00:41:31.510
I don't know what to think of that. Is it even

00:41:31.510 --> 00:41:33.269
a car? I don't know. It's a limited amount of

00:41:33.269 --> 00:41:36.429
information I'm drawing from here. Jamie's very

00:41:36.429 --> 00:41:39.190
suspicious over there. Look at him. Excited.

00:41:39.369 --> 00:41:41.809
I'm interested. It's still going to be the same.

00:41:41.849 --> 00:41:43.469
Well, you know what? I mean, if you want to come

00:41:43.469 --> 00:41:46.469
a little before the unveil, I can show it to

00:41:46.469 --> 00:41:53.110
you. 100%. Yeah. Let's go. Yeah. It's kind of

00:41:53.110 --> 00:41:55.590
crazy all the different things that you're involved

00:41:55.590 --> 00:41:58.250
in simultaneously. And we talked about this before,

00:41:58.349 --> 00:42:01.750
your time management. But I really don't understand

00:42:01.750 --> 00:42:05.590
it. I don't understand how you can be. paying

00:42:05.590 --> 00:42:08.329
attention to all these different things simultaneously.

00:42:09.130 --> 00:42:13.449
Starlink, SpaceX, Tesla, boring company, X, you

00:42:13.449 --> 00:42:17.010
fucking tweet or post, rather, all day long.

00:42:17.230 --> 00:42:19.670
Well, it's more like I could hop in for like

00:42:19.670 --> 00:42:21.650
two minutes and then hop out, you know. But I

00:42:21.650 --> 00:42:23.449
mean, just the fact that you could do that. I

00:42:23.449 --> 00:42:27.190
can't do that. If I hop in, I start scrolling.

00:42:27.489 --> 00:42:29.150
I start looking around. Next thing you know,

00:42:29.170 --> 00:42:34.849
I've lost an hour. Yeah. So, no, for me it's

00:42:34.849 --> 00:42:37.750
a couple minutes time usually. Sometimes I guess

00:42:37.750 --> 00:42:40.510
half an hour, but usually I'm in for a few minutes

00:42:40.510 --> 00:42:43.010
then out of, you know, posting something on X.

00:42:43.590 --> 00:42:46.590
You know, I do sometimes feel like it's sometimes

00:42:46.590 --> 00:42:49.530
like that meme of the guy who drops the grenade

00:42:49.530 --> 00:42:53.929
and leaves the room. That's been me more than

00:42:53.929 --> 00:43:00.699
once on X. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure. It's

00:43:00.699 --> 00:43:02.579
got to be fun, though. It's got to be fun to

00:43:02.579 --> 00:43:06.599
know that you essentially disrupted the entire

00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:10.699
social media chain of command because there was

00:43:10.699 --> 00:43:13.619
a very clear thing that was going on with social

00:43:13.619 --> 00:43:16.559
media. The government had infiltrated it. They

00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:19.679
were censoring speech. And until you bought it,

00:43:19.699 --> 00:43:21.420
we really didn't know the extent of it. We kind

00:43:21.420 --> 00:43:23.119
of assumed that there was something going on.

00:43:23.260 --> 00:43:25.539
We had no idea that they were actively involved

00:43:25.539 --> 00:43:29.139
in censoring actual real news stories, real data.

00:43:29.769 --> 00:43:32.750
Real scientists, real professors, silenced, expelled,

00:43:33.250 --> 00:43:37.969
kicked off the platform. Yeah. Wild. Yeah. Yeah.

00:43:38.010 --> 00:43:39.769
For telling the truth. For telling the truth.

00:43:39.889 --> 00:43:42.289
And I'm sure you've also, because I sent it to

00:43:42.289 --> 00:43:46.030
you, that chart that shows young kids, teenagers

00:43:46.030 --> 00:43:49.050
identifying as trans and non -binary literally

00:43:49.050 --> 00:43:52.889
stops dead when you bought Twitter and starts

00:43:52.889 --> 00:43:54.909
falling off a cliff when people are allowed to

00:43:54.909 --> 00:43:57.269
have rational discussions now and actually talk

00:43:57.269 --> 00:44:01.590
about it. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I said at

00:44:01.590 --> 00:44:04.170
the time, like, I think that, like, the reason

00:44:04.170 --> 00:44:08.849
for acquiring Twitter is because it was causing

00:44:08.849 --> 00:44:13.690
destruction at a civilizational level. It was,

00:44:13.710 --> 00:44:17.050
I mean, I posted, I tweeted on Twitter at the

00:44:17.050 --> 00:44:26.090
time that it is, you know, it's a worm tongue

00:44:26.090 --> 00:44:30.980
for the world. like Wormtongue from Lord of the

00:44:30.980 --> 00:44:34.539
Rings, where he would just sort of whisper these

00:44:34.539 --> 00:44:37.900
terrible things to the king, so the king would

00:44:37.900 --> 00:44:43.320
believe these things that weren't true. And unfortunately,

00:44:43.679 --> 00:44:49.199
Twitter really got, it got like the woke mob,

00:44:49.420 --> 00:44:52.679
essentially, that controlled Twitter. And they

00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:56.679
were pushing a nihilistic, anti -civilizational

00:44:56.679 --> 00:45:00.179
mind virus to the world. And you can see the

00:45:00.179 --> 00:45:02.179
results of that mind virus on the streets of

00:45:02.179 --> 00:45:06.440
San Francisco, where downtown San Francisco looks

00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:11.619
like a zombie apocalypse. It's bad. So we don't

00:45:11.619 --> 00:45:12.780
want the whole world to be a zombie apocalypse.

00:45:13.920 --> 00:45:19.139
But that was essentially, they were pushing this

00:45:19.139 --> 00:45:24.940
very negative, nihilistic, untrue worldview on

00:45:24.940 --> 00:45:26.539
the world, and it was causing a lot of damage.

00:45:29.969 --> 00:45:32.449
The stunning thing about it is how few people

00:45:32.449 --> 00:45:34.849
course -corrected. A bunch of people woke up

00:45:34.849 --> 00:45:36.670
and realized what was going on, people that were

00:45:36.670 --> 00:45:39.809
all on board with woke ideology in maybe 2015

00:45:39.809 --> 00:45:42.789
or 16, and then eventually it comes to affect

00:45:42.789 --> 00:45:44.769
them, or they see it in their workplace, and

00:45:44.769 --> 00:45:47.550
they're like, we've got to stop this. A bunch

00:45:47.550 --> 00:45:50.250
of people did. But a lot of people never course

00:45:50.250 --> 00:45:55.289
-corrected. Yeah. A lot of people didn't course

00:45:55.289 --> 00:46:00.519
-correct, but... But it's directionally correct.

00:46:00.659 --> 00:46:04.980
You mentioned the massive spike in kids identifying

00:46:04.980 --> 00:46:10.380
as trans and then that spike dropping after the

00:46:10.380 --> 00:46:14.480
Twitter acquisition. I think that simply allowing

00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:18.019
the truth to be told was just shedding sunlight.

00:46:18.019 --> 00:46:20.019
Sunlight is the best disinfectant, as they say.

00:46:20.260 --> 00:46:24.860
And just allowing sunlight kills the virus. And

00:46:24.860 --> 00:46:27.860
it also changed the benchmark for all the other

00:46:27.860 --> 00:46:31.059
platforms. You can't just openly censor people

00:46:31.059 --> 00:46:32.840
on all the other platforms when X is available.

00:46:33.099 --> 00:46:35.760
So everybody else had a – so like Facebook announced

00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:38.280
they were changing. YouTube announced they were

00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:40.460
changing their policies. And they're kind of

00:46:40.460 --> 00:46:44.400
forced to. And then Blue Sky doubled down. Well,

00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:48.760
like the problem is like if – essentially the

00:46:48.760 --> 00:46:51.900
woke mind virus retreated to Blue Sky. Yeah.

00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:55.000
But it's – Where they're just a self -reinforcing

00:46:55.000 --> 00:46:58.940
lunatic. They're all just triple masked. I was

00:46:58.940 --> 00:47:02.480
totally watching this in exchange on a blue sky

00:47:02.480 --> 00:47:04.539
where someone said that they're just trying to

00:47:04.539 --> 00:47:07.480
be Zen about something. And then someone, a moderator

00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:10.559
immediately chimed in. Why don't you try to stop

00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:13.500
being racist against Asians by saying something

00:47:13.500 --> 00:47:17.679
Zen, by saying I'm trying to be Zen about something.

00:47:18.380 --> 00:47:20.139
They were accusing that person of being racist

00:47:20.139 --> 00:47:23.639
towards Asians. Yeah, it's just everyone's a

00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:26.920
hall monitor over there. The worst hall monitor.

00:47:27.059 --> 00:47:31.519
A virgin, like, incel. They're all hall monitors

00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:34.320
trying to rat on each other. Yeah. It's fascinating.

00:47:34.599 --> 00:47:36.579
And then people say, I'm leaving for blue sky

00:47:36.579 --> 00:47:39.219
like Stephen King. And then a couple of weeks

00:47:39.219 --> 00:47:41.500
later, he's back on X. He's like, fuck it. There's

00:47:41.500 --> 00:47:43.179
no one over there. It's all a bunch of crazy

00:47:43.179 --> 00:47:45.880
people. You can only stay in the asylum for so

00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:48.000
long. You're like, all right, this is not good.

00:47:48.199 --> 00:47:51.639
They all bail. Threads is kind of like that too.

00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:55.139
Threads is nuts. I've been on Threads. Well,

00:47:55.719 --> 00:47:58.460
what happens is if you go on Instagram, every

00:47:58.460 --> 00:48:00.559
now and then something really stupid will pop

00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:02.920
up on Threads like, what the fuck? And it shows

00:48:02.920 --> 00:48:04.880
it to you on Instagram, and then I'll click on

00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:06.760
that, and then I'll go to Threads, and it's like.

00:48:07.579 --> 00:48:11.159
You see posts with like 25 likes, like famous

00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:14.420
people, like 50 likes. It's a ghost town. Ghost

00:48:14.420 --> 00:48:16.139
town, yeah. But the people that post on there,

00:48:16.219 --> 00:48:18.559
they're finding that there's very little pushback

00:48:18.559 --> 00:48:21.860
from insane ideology. So they go there and they

00:48:21.860 --> 00:48:24.340
spit out nonsense and very few people jump in

00:48:24.340 --> 00:48:29.260
to argue. Yeah. Very weird. Very weird place.

00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:31.199
I mean, I can generally get the vibe of like

00:48:31.199 --> 00:48:33.280
what's taking off by seeing what's showing up

00:48:33.280 --> 00:48:35.360
on X because that's the public town square still.

00:48:37.859 --> 00:48:41.199
Or, you know, what links show up in group texts?

00:48:41.380 --> 00:48:43.239
You know, if I'm in group chats with friends,

00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:45.539
like what links are showing up? That's what I

00:48:45.539 --> 00:48:48.039
try to do now, only get stuff that shows up in

00:48:48.039 --> 00:48:50.340
my group text because that keeps me productive.

00:48:50.820 --> 00:48:53.219
So I only check if someone's like, dude, what

00:48:53.219 --> 00:48:54.639
the fuck? I'm like, all right, what the fuck?

00:48:54.659 --> 00:48:56.679
Let me check it out. If there's something that's

00:48:56.679 --> 00:48:59.840
crazy enough, it'll enter the group chat. But

00:48:59.840 --> 00:49:02.340
there's always something. That's what's nuts.

00:49:02.460 --> 00:49:05.000
There's always some new law that's passed, some

00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:07.639
new insane thing that California's doing. And

00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:10.420
it's like a giant chunk of it's happening in

00:49:10.420 --> 00:49:12.280
California, the most preposterous things that

00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:15.900
I get. Yeah. And then you got Gavin Newsom who's

00:49:15.900 --> 00:49:17.800
running around saying we all have California

00:49:17.800 --> 00:49:19.960
derangement syndrome. He's just like ripping

00:49:19.960 --> 00:49:21.940
off Trump derangement and calling it California

00:49:21.940 --> 00:49:24.460
derangement. It's like, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:49:24.659 --> 00:49:27.920
The fucking, how many corporations have left

00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:31.150
California? It's crazy. Hundreds, right? Hundreds.

00:49:31.750 --> 00:49:35.210
That's not good. Chick -fil -A, I mean, I think

00:49:35.210 --> 00:49:37.110
In -N -Out left. Yeah, In -N -Out left. They

00:49:37.110 --> 00:49:39.590
moved to Tennessee. Yeah. Yeah. They're like,

00:49:39.630 --> 00:49:42.829
we can't do this anymore. Right. It's the California

00:49:42.829 --> 00:49:45.670
company for food. It's like the greatest hamburger

00:49:45.670 --> 00:49:49.050
place ever. It's awesome. Yeah. Actually, speaking

00:49:49.050 --> 00:49:51.590
of just sort of open source and looking at things

00:49:51.590 --> 00:49:54.690
openly, I just like going to In -N -Out and seeing

00:49:54.690 --> 00:49:56.489
them make the burger. Yeah, it's right there.

00:49:56.530 --> 00:49:59.829
They chop the onions and they... You just see

00:49:59.829 --> 00:50:01.570
everything getting made in front of you. Yeah.

00:50:01.869 --> 00:50:06.309
It's great. But yeah, like it should be like

00:50:06.309 --> 00:50:08.250
how many wake up calls do you need to say that

00:50:08.250 --> 00:50:09.869
needs to be reformed in California? Well, the

00:50:09.869 --> 00:50:12.090
crazy thing that Newsom does is whenever someone

00:50:12.090 --> 00:50:14.849
brings up the problems in California, he starts

00:50:14.849 --> 00:50:16.929
rattling off all the positives. The most Fortune

00:50:16.929 --> 00:50:20.630
500 companies, highest education. But yeah, that

00:50:20.630 --> 00:50:24.530
was all already there before you were governor.

00:50:24.670 --> 00:50:27.570
But how many Fortune 500 companies have left

00:50:27.570 --> 00:50:31.480
California? You guys spent $24 billion on the

00:50:31.480 --> 00:50:34.960
homeless and it got way worse. Yes. I feel like

00:50:34.960 --> 00:50:36.380
the homeless population doubled or something.

00:50:36.980 --> 00:50:38.860
People don't understand the homeless thing because

00:50:38.860 --> 00:50:41.159
it sort of preys on people's empathy. And I think

00:50:41.159 --> 00:50:43.739
we should have empathy and we should try to help

00:50:43.739 --> 00:50:48.460
people. But the homeless industrial complex is

00:50:48.460 --> 00:50:53.380
really – it's dark, man. It should be – that

00:50:53.380 --> 00:50:56.659
network of NGOs should be called like the drug

00:50:56.659 --> 00:51:01.920
zombie farmers. Because the more homeless people

00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:05.679
and really like when you meet like, you know,

00:51:05.679 --> 00:51:08.880
somebody who's like totally dead inside shuffling

00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:11.239
along down the street with a needle dangling

00:51:11.239 --> 00:51:14.260
out of their leg. Homeless is the wrong word.

00:51:14.340 --> 00:51:16.199
Like homeless implies that somebody got a little

00:51:16.199 --> 00:51:18.119
behind in their mortgage payments. And if they

00:51:18.119 --> 00:51:19.860
just got a job offer, they'd be back on their

00:51:19.860 --> 00:51:23.559
feet. But someone who's, I mean, you see these

00:51:23.559 --> 00:51:25.619
videos of people that are just shuffling, you

00:51:25.619 --> 00:51:29.369
know, they're on fentanyl. They're like taking

00:51:29.369 --> 00:51:32.969
a dump in the middle of the streets. They got

00:51:32.969 --> 00:51:36.230
like open sores and stuff. They're not like one

00:51:36.230 --> 00:51:38.389
drop off or away from getting back on their feet.

00:51:38.510 --> 00:51:41.489
Right. This is not a homeless issue. It's a propaganda

00:51:41.489 --> 00:51:48.650
word. Right. And then these sort of charities,

00:51:48.789 --> 00:51:53.110
of course, they get money proportionate to the

00:51:53.110 --> 00:51:56.840
number of homeless. or number of drug zombies.

00:51:57.119 --> 00:52:01.039
So their incentive structure is to maximize the

00:52:01.039 --> 00:52:04.739
number of drug zombies, not minimize it. That's

00:52:04.739 --> 00:52:07.400
why they don't arrest the drug dealers. Because

00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:09.400
if they arrest the drug dealers, the drug zombies

00:52:09.400 --> 00:52:12.780
leave. So they know who the drug dealers are.

00:52:13.019 --> 00:52:16.780
They don't arrest them on purpose. Because otherwise,

00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:19.159
the drug zombies would leave. And they would

00:52:19.159 --> 00:52:21.599
stop getting money from the state of California

00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:23.380
and from all the charities. Wait a minute. So

00:52:23.380 --> 00:52:25.480
you say they're in coordination. It's dark, man.

00:52:25.599 --> 00:52:27.500
Is that real? So they're in coordination with

00:52:27.500 --> 00:52:32.159
law enforcement on this? So how do they have

00:52:32.159 --> 00:52:34.079
those meetings? They're all in cahoots. Well,

00:52:34.099 --> 00:52:36.260
when you find this... It's like such... This

00:52:36.260 --> 00:52:41.829
is a diabolical scam. And San Francisco has got

00:52:41.829 --> 00:52:46.630
this tax, this gross receipts tax, which is not

00:52:46.630 --> 00:52:48.369
even on revenue. It's on all transactions, which

00:52:48.369 --> 00:52:51.909
is why Stripe and Square and a whole bunch of

00:52:51.909 --> 00:52:53.769
financial companies had to move out of San Francisco

00:52:53.769 --> 00:52:55.690
because it wasn't a tax on revenue. It was a

00:52:55.690 --> 00:52:59.030
tax on transactions. So if you do trillions of

00:52:59.030 --> 00:53:00.769
dollars transactions, it's not revenue. You're

00:53:00.769 --> 00:53:02.530
taxed on any money going through the system in

00:53:02.530 --> 00:53:07.300
San Francisco. Jack Dorsey pointed this out.

00:53:07.440 --> 00:53:10.639
He said that they had to move Square from San

00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:14.500
Francisco to Oakland, I think. Stripe had to

00:53:14.500 --> 00:53:16.119
move from San Francisco to South San Francisco,

00:53:16.219 --> 00:53:20.760
a different city. And that money goes to the

00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:23.239
homeless industrial complex, that tax that was

00:53:23.239 --> 00:53:27.940
passed. So there's billions of dollars that go,

00:53:28.059 --> 00:53:30.159
as you pointed out, billions of dollars every

00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:34.320
year that go to these... non -governmental organizations

00:53:34.320 --> 00:53:37.119
that are funded by the state. It's not clear

00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:40.960
how to turn this off. It's a self -licking ice

00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:45.559
cream cone situation. So they get this money.

00:53:45.619 --> 00:53:49.239
The money is proportionate to the number of homeless

00:53:49.239 --> 00:53:52.420
people or number of drug zombies, essentially.

00:53:53.400 --> 00:53:59.880
So they try to actually increase. In some cases,

00:54:00.019 --> 00:54:02.420
it's something to do with analysis. When you

00:54:02.420 --> 00:54:04.400
add up all the money that's flowing, they're

00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:06.239
getting close to a million dollars per homeless

00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:09.599
per drug zombie. It's like $900 ,000 or something.

00:54:09.679 --> 00:54:12.519
Some crazy amount of money is going to these

00:54:12.519 --> 00:54:16.920
organizations. So they want to keep people just

00:54:16.920 --> 00:54:19.840
barely alive. They need to keep them in the area

00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:26.300
so they get the revenue. So that's why they don't

00:54:26.300 --> 00:54:28.219
arrest the drug dealers because otherwise the

00:54:28.219 --> 00:54:33.639
drug zombies would leave. But they don't want

00:54:33.639 --> 00:54:35.900
to have too much – if they get too much drugs,

00:54:35.900 --> 00:54:38.760
then they die. So they're kept in this sort of

00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:44.739
perpetual zone of being addicted but just barely

00:54:44.739 --> 00:54:47.940
alive. So how is this coordinated with like DAs,

00:54:47.940 --> 00:54:52.130
DAs that don't prosecute people? When they hire

00:54:52.130 --> 00:54:56.289
or they push, so they fund the campaigns of the

00:54:56.289 --> 00:54:59.510
most progressive, most out there, left wing DAs.

00:54:59.530 --> 00:55:01.630
They get them into office. We've got that issue

00:55:01.630 --> 00:55:03.150
in Austin too, by the way. Yes, we do. Did you

00:55:03.150 --> 00:55:05.349
see that guy that got shot in the library? No.

00:55:05.449 --> 00:55:07.329
Yeah, I heard about it. The guy got shot and

00:55:07.329 --> 00:55:09.530
killed in the library. I think that was just

00:55:09.530 --> 00:55:14.710
like last week or something. Right. So some friends

00:55:14.710 --> 00:55:16.710
of mine were telling me that the library is unsafe.

00:55:16.829 --> 00:55:19.519
They took their kids to the library. and there

00:55:19.519 --> 00:55:21.440
were, like, dangerous people in the library in

00:55:21.440 --> 00:55:24.239
Austin. And I was like, dangerous people in the

00:55:24.239 --> 00:55:26.599
library? Like, that's a strange... It basically

00:55:26.599 --> 00:55:31.960
got, like, drug zombies in the library. Oh, Jesus.

00:55:32.440 --> 00:55:35.039
And that's when someone got shot? Yeah, I believe

00:55:35.039 --> 00:55:36.840
this was... It should be on the news. We might

00:55:36.840 --> 00:55:39.840
be able to pull it up. But I think it was just

00:55:39.840 --> 00:55:42.599
in the last week or so that there was a shooting

00:55:42.599 --> 00:55:47.760
in the library in Austin. Because Austin's got,

00:55:47.820 --> 00:55:50.119
you know, it's the most liberal part of Texas

00:55:50.119 --> 00:55:55.059
that we're in right here. So suspect of all the

00:55:55.059 --> 00:55:56.860
shooting, Austin Park Library Saturday, is accused

00:55:56.860 --> 00:55:59.340
of another shooting at the Cap Metro bus earlier

00:55:59.340 --> 00:56:02.139
that day. According to an arrest warrant affidavit,

00:56:02.159 --> 00:56:05.260
Austin police arrested Harold Newton Keene, 55,

00:56:05.500 --> 00:56:08.860
shortly after the shooting in the library, which

00:56:08.860 --> 00:56:11.159
occurred around noon. One person sustained non

00:56:11.159 --> 00:56:13.280
-life -threatening injuries in the event. Before

00:56:13.280 --> 00:56:14.800
that shooting, Keene was accused of shooting

00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:18.780
another person in a bus incident and after reportedly

00:56:18.780 --> 00:56:22.539
pointing his gun at a child. So this is the fella

00:56:22.539 --> 00:56:25.380
down here. So we just seriously have a problem

00:56:25.380 --> 00:56:29.219
here. Yeah. So I think one of the people might

00:56:29.219 --> 00:56:35.400
have died too that he shot. So like one of the

00:56:35.400 --> 00:56:39.760
people I think did bleed out. But either way,

00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:43.349
it's like getting shot is bad. It says the victim

00:56:43.349 --> 00:56:45.869
told PISA confronted the suspect who started

00:56:45.869 --> 00:56:48.170
to eat what appeared to be crystal methamphetamine.

00:56:48.590 --> 00:56:50.610
According to the affidavit, the victim advised

00:56:50.610 --> 00:56:54.530
the suspect began to trip out, at which time

00:56:54.530 --> 00:56:57.690
the victim exited the bus. Victim told the bus

00:56:57.690 --> 00:56:59.610
driver hit the panic button, then exited the

00:56:59.610 --> 00:57:01.610
bus when he turned around the observer. Black

00:57:01.610 --> 00:57:03.070
male is now standing at the front of the bus

00:57:03.070 --> 00:57:05.909
with the gun pointed at him. The victim advised

00:57:05.909 --> 00:57:08.489
the black male fired a single round, which grazed

00:57:08.489 --> 00:57:12.480
his left hip. So he shot at that dude. And then

00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:16.719
another dude got shot in the library. Fun. Yeah,

00:57:16.780 --> 00:57:20.199
I mean, in the library. Yeah. You know, where

00:57:20.199 --> 00:57:22.860
you're supposed to be reading books. And there's

00:57:22.860 --> 00:57:24.420
a children's section in the library. And so he

00:57:24.420 --> 00:57:27.260
pointed his gun at a kid. I mean, like, we do

00:57:27.260 --> 00:57:30.760
have a serious issue in America where repeat

00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:35.119
violent offenders need to be incarcerated. And,

00:57:35.119 --> 00:57:37.440
you know, you've got cases where somebody's been

00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:40.000
arrested like 47 times. Right. Like literally,

00:57:40.139 --> 00:57:41.739
okay, that's just the number of times they were

00:57:41.739 --> 00:57:44.079
arrested, not the number of times they did things.

00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:46.000
Like most of the times they do things, they're

00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:49.119
not arrested. So lay this out for people so they

00:57:49.119 --> 00:57:52.940
understand how this happens. Yeah. And the key

00:57:52.940 --> 00:57:55.719
is like it preys on people's empathy. So like

00:57:55.719 --> 00:57:57.820
if you're a good person and you want good things

00:57:57.820 --> 00:57:59.239
to happen in the world, you're like, well, we

00:57:59.239 --> 00:58:03.710
should take care of people, you know. You know,

00:58:03.710 --> 00:58:06.170
who are down on their luck or, you know, having

00:58:06.170 --> 00:58:08.590
a hard time in life. And we should. I agree.

00:58:08.730 --> 00:58:12.309
But what we shouldn't do is put people who are

00:58:12.309 --> 00:58:15.849
violent drug zombies in public places where they

00:58:15.849 --> 00:58:19.530
can hurt other people. And that is what we're

00:58:19.530 --> 00:58:22.650
doing that we just saw where a guy, you know,

00:58:22.670 --> 00:58:26.550
got shot in the library. But even before that,

00:58:26.590 --> 00:58:29.309
he shot another guy and pointed his gun at a

00:58:29.309 --> 00:58:33.900
kid. That guy probably has, like, many prior

00:58:33.900 --> 00:58:38.179
arrests. You know, there was that guy that knifed

00:58:38.179 --> 00:58:42.739
the Ukrainian woman, Irina. Yes. Yeah. You know,

00:58:42.760 --> 00:58:46.179
and she was just quietly on her phone, and he

00:58:46.179 --> 00:58:48.800
just came up and, you know, gutted her, basically.

00:58:48.880 --> 00:58:53.079
Wasn't there a crazy story about the judge who

00:58:53.079 --> 00:58:57.159
was involved, who had previously dealt with this

00:58:57.159 --> 00:59:01.030
person, was also... invested in a rehabilitation

00:59:01.030 --> 00:59:04.429
center and was sending these people. Conflict

00:59:04.429 --> 00:59:07.469
of interest. Yes. So sending people that they

00:59:07.469 --> 00:59:10.809
were charging to a rehabilitation center instead

00:59:10.809 --> 00:59:13.969
of putting them in jail, profiting from this

00:59:13.969 --> 00:59:16.030
rehabilitation center, letting them back out

00:59:16.030 --> 00:59:19.110
on the street, violent, insane people. And in

00:59:19.110 --> 00:59:22.969
that case, I believe that judge has no law degree

00:59:22.969 --> 00:59:26.469
or a significant legal experience that would

00:59:26.469 --> 00:59:28.659
allow them to be a judge. They were just made

00:59:28.659 --> 00:59:31.920
a judge. You could be a judge without a law degree?

00:59:32.139 --> 00:59:36.300
Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So I could be a judge? Yeah.

00:59:38.199 --> 00:59:42.420
Anyone. That's crazy. It's like if you want to

00:59:42.420 --> 00:59:43.980
be a doctor, you have to go to medical school.

00:59:44.179 --> 00:59:45.900
I thought if you're going to be a judge, you

00:59:45.900 --> 00:59:46.699
have to understand the law. If you're going to

00:59:46.699 --> 00:59:48.420
be appointed to a judge, you have to have proven

00:59:48.420 --> 00:59:51.800
that you have an excellent knowledge of the law

00:59:51.800 --> 00:59:53.840
and that you will make your decisions according

00:59:53.840 --> 00:59:57.769
to the law. That's what we assume. That's how

00:59:57.769 --> 01:00:00.210
you get the robe. Right. You don't get the robe

01:00:00.210 --> 01:00:02.449
unless you do, you know. Got to go to school

01:00:02.449 --> 01:00:04.309
to get the robe. You got to know what the law

01:00:04.309 --> 01:00:06.369
is. Right. And then you're going to need to make

01:00:06.369 --> 01:00:09.010
decisions in accordance with the law. Based on

01:00:09.010 --> 01:00:10.769
the stuff that you already know because you read

01:00:10.769 --> 01:00:12.349
it because you went to school for it. Yes. Not

01:00:12.349 --> 01:00:16.389
you just got appointed. Not vibes. You can't

01:00:16.389 --> 01:00:19.289
be just vibing as a judge. Vibing as a left -wing

01:00:19.289 --> 01:00:22.869
judge. So you got crazy left -wing DAs. Yes.

01:00:22.969 --> 01:00:24.989
I wish you didn't say left -wing because left

01:00:24.989 --> 01:00:28.559
-wing. used to be normal. Yeah, left -wing just

01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:31.260
meant like, yeah, you're like open -minded. The

01:00:31.260 --> 01:00:33.900
left used to be like pro -free speech. Yeah.

01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:35.940
And now they're against it. It used to be like

01:00:35.940 --> 01:00:38.599
pro -gay rights, pro -women's right to choose,

01:00:38.739 --> 01:00:43.820
pro -minorities, pro, you know. Like, yeah, like

01:00:43.820 --> 01:00:45.980
20 years ago, I don't know, it used to be like

01:00:45.980 --> 01:00:48.920
left would be like the party of empathy or like,

01:00:48.980 --> 01:00:50.599
you know, caring and being nice and that kind

01:00:50.599 --> 01:00:54.389
of thing. Not the party of like... Crushing dissent

01:00:54.389 --> 01:00:59.630
and crushing free speech and crazy regulation

01:00:59.630 --> 01:01:04.389
and just – and being super judgy and calling

01:01:04.389 --> 01:01:08.949
everyone a Nazi. I think they've called you and

01:01:08.949 --> 01:01:13.659
me Nazis. Oh, yeah. I'm a Nazi. No, I have friends

01:01:13.659 --> 01:01:16.360
that are comedians that called you a Nazi. And

01:01:16.360 --> 01:01:17.699
I got pissed off at them. Are you serious? Oh,

01:01:17.699 --> 01:01:20.699
yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, not as a joke? No, no,

01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:23.059
because you did that thing at the, my heart goes

01:01:23.059 --> 01:01:25.780
out to you. Like, everyone. Like, everyone. All

01:01:25.780 --> 01:01:28.699
of them. Literally. Tim Walz, Kamala Harris,

01:01:28.960 --> 01:01:31.159
every one of them did it. They all did it. Like,

01:01:31.159 --> 01:01:34.949
how? How do you point at the crowd? How do you

01:01:34.949 --> 01:01:37.010
wave at the crowd? Do you know CNN was using

01:01:37.010 --> 01:01:38.969
a photo of me whenever I got in trouble during

01:01:38.969 --> 01:01:42.070
COVID from the UFC weigh -ins? And at the UFC

01:01:42.070 --> 01:01:44.289
weigh -ins, I go, hey, everybody, welcome to

01:01:44.289 --> 01:01:46.309
the weigh -ins. And so they were getting me from

01:01:46.309 --> 01:01:49.090
the side. And that was the photo that they used.

01:01:49.289 --> 01:01:51.869
Conspiracy theorist, podcaster, Joe Rogan. Like,

01:01:51.869 --> 01:01:53.349
that's what they used. Yeah, yeah. But that's

01:01:53.349 --> 01:01:55.250
what the left is today. It's a super judgey and

01:01:55.250 --> 01:01:57.250
calling everyone a Nazi and trying to suppress

01:01:57.250 --> 01:01:59.070
freedom of speech. Yeah, and eventually you run

01:01:59.070 --> 01:02:00.710
out of people to accuse because people get pissed

01:02:00.710 --> 01:02:07.210
off and they leave. Yeah. It doesn't matter to

01:02:07.210 --> 01:02:10.809
be called racist or a Nazi or whatever. It's

01:02:10.809 --> 01:02:13.610
the government, man. Is it working? We're good?

01:02:13.809 --> 01:02:17.130
Okay. Just ain't working. Yeah, slight issue.

01:02:19.250 --> 01:02:24.769
When you text people, are you keenly aware that

01:02:24.769 --> 01:02:26.489
there's a high likelihood that someone's reading

01:02:26.489 --> 01:02:35.550
your text? I guess. I assume. Look, if intelligence

01:02:35.550 --> 01:02:38.090
agencies aren't trying to read my phone, they

01:02:38.090 --> 01:02:45.570
should probably be fired. At least they get some

01:02:45.570 --> 01:02:51.090
fun memes. I've got to crack them up once in

01:02:51.090 --> 01:02:53.349
a while. Oh, for sure. I crack them up. Hey,

01:02:54.210 --> 01:02:55.510
guys, check it out. You've got a banger here.

01:02:55.750 --> 01:02:59.869
So I wanted to talk to you about whether or not.

01:03:00.519 --> 01:03:06.900
Encrypted apps are really secure No Right, because

01:03:06.900 --> 01:03:09.099
I know the Tucker thing. So it was explained

01:03:09.099 --> 01:03:13.400
to me by a friend who used to do this, used to

01:03:13.400 --> 01:03:15.280
work for the government. He's like, they can

01:03:15.280 --> 01:03:19.480
look at your signal, but what they have to do

01:03:19.480 --> 01:03:22.860
is take the information that's encrypted, and

01:03:22.860 --> 01:03:24.619
then they have to decrypt it, and it's very expensive.

01:03:24.920 --> 01:03:27.079
So they said, he told me that for the Tucker

01:03:27.079 --> 01:03:28.480
Carlson thing, when they found out that he was

01:03:28.480 --> 01:03:30.519
going to interview Putin, it costs something

01:03:30.519 --> 01:03:35.480
like $750 ,000. just to decrypt his messages

01:03:35.480 --> 01:03:37.780
to find out that they did it. So it is possible

01:03:37.780 --> 01:03:41.800
to do. It's just not that easy to do. I think

01:03:41.800 --> 01:03:44.260
you should view any given messaging system as

01:03:44.260 --> 01:03:48.639
not whether it's secure or not, but there are

01:03:48.639 --> 01:03:54.400
degrees of insecurity. So there's just some things

01:03:54.400 --> 01:04:00.480
that are less insecure than others. So on X,

01:04:00.579 --> 01:04:04.230
we just rebuilt the entire messaging stack. into

01:04:04.230 --> 01:04:06.070
what's called XChat. Yeah, that's what I wanted

01:04:06.070 --> 01:04:09.869
to ask you about. Yeah, it's cool. So it's using

01:04:09.869 --> 01:04:16.090
kind of a peer -to -peer based encryption system.

01:04:16.230 --> 01:04:19.949
So it's kind of similar to Bitcoin. So it's,

01:04:19.989 --> 01:04:23.449
I think, very good encryption. We're testing

01:04:23.449 --> 01:04:26.190
it thoroughly. There's no hooks in the X system

01:04:26.190 --> 01:04:28.070
for advertising. So if you look at something

01:04:28.070 --> 01:04:30.309
like WhatsApp or really any of the others, they've

01:04:30.309 --> 01:04:32.780
got hooks in there for advertising. When you

01:04:32.780 --> 01:04:35.380
say hooks, what do you mean by that? Exactly.

01:04:35.460 --> 01:04:39.380
What do you mean by a hook for advertising? So

01:04:39.380 --> 01:04:43.659
like WhatsApp knows enough about what you're

01:04:43.659 --> 01:04:49.000
texting to know what ads to show you. Oh. But

01:04:49.000 --> 01:04:51.760
then like that's a massive security vulnerability.

01:04:52.239 --> 01:04:56.320
Yeah. Because if it's got enough information

01:04:56.320 --> 01:04:59.059
to show you ads, that's a lot of information.

01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:02.469
Yeah. So they call it, oh, just don't worry about

01:05:02.469 --> 01:05:03.849
it. It's just a hook for advertising. I'm like,

01:05:03.949 --> 01:05:06.710
okay, so somebody can just use that same hook

01:05:06.710 --> 01:05:10.190
to get in there and look at your messages. So

01:05:10.190 --> 01:05:13.869
XChat has no hooks for advertising. And I'm not

01:05:13.869 --> 01:05:17.309
saying it's perfect, but our goal with XChat

01:05:17.309 --> 01:05:20.929
is to replace what used to be the Twitter DM

01:05:20.929 --> 01:05:23.570
stack with a fully encrypted system where you

01:05:23.570 --> 01:05:27.630
can text, send files, do audio -video calls.

01:05:30.279 --> 01:05:33.179
And I think it will be the least – I would call

01:05:33.179 --> 01:05:35.099
it the least insecure of any messaging system.

01:05:35.340 --> 01:05:38.460
Are you going to launch it as a standalone app

01:05:38.460 --> 01:05:41.519
or it will always be incorporated to X? We'll

01:05:41.519 --> 01:05:45.159
have both. Okay. So it will be like Signal. So

01:05:45.159 --> 01:05:48.639
anybody can get it. You'll be able to just get

01:05:48.639 --> 01:05:51.380
the XChat app by itself. And like I said, we

01:05:51.380 --> 01:05:56.860
could do text, audio, video calls, or send files.

01:05:58.209 --> 01:06:00.630
And there will be a dedicated app, which will

01:06:00.630 --> 01:06:03.690
hopefully release in a few months. And then it's

01:06:03.690 --> 01:06:08.030
also integrated into the X system. The X phone.

01:06:08.369 --> 01:06:10.869
People keep talking. Oh, man. I have a lot on

01:06:10.869 --> 01:06:13.269
my plate, man. I know. But it keeps coming up.

01:06:13.329 --> 01:06:15.650
It keeps coming up. I know I've asked you a couple

01:06:15.650 --> 01:06:18.170
times. I'm like, this is bullshit, right? I'm

01:06:18.170 --> 01:06:19.829
not working on it. You're not working on it.

01:06:19.829 --> 01:06:23.969
I'm not working on a phone. Okay. Have you ever

01:06:23.969 --> 01:06:25.949
considered it? Has it ever popped into your head?

01:06:27.079 --> 01:06:29.119
Because you might be the only person that could

01:06:29.119 --> 01:06:32.980
get people off of the Apple platform. Well, I

01:06:32.980 --> 01:06:34.099
can tell you where I think things are going to

01:06:34.099 --> 01:06:37.820
go, which is that we're not going to have a phone

01:06:37.820 --> 01:06:43.039
in the traditional sense. What we call a phone

01:06:43.039 --> 01:06:47.739
will really be an edge node for AI video inference.

01:06:51.460 --> 01:06:56.079
with some radios to obviously connect. But essentially

01:06:56.079 --> 01:07:01.619
you'll have AI on the server side communicating

01:07:01.619 --> 01:07:07.400
to an AI on your device, formerly known as a

01:07:07.400 --> 01:07:10.679
phone, and generating real -time video of anything

01:07:10.679 --> 01:07:14.099
that you could possibly want. And I think that

01:07:14.099 --> 01:07:16.280
there won't be operating systems, there won't

01:07:16.280 --> 01:07:19.769
be apps. In the future, there won't be operating

01:07:19.769 --> 01:07:22.789
systems or apps. It'll just be you've got a device

01:07:22.789 --> 01:07:26.349
that is there for the screen and audio and to

01:07:26.349 --> 01:07:34.389
put as much AI on the device as possible so as

01:07:34.389 --> 01:07:36.369
to minimize the amount of bandwidth that's needed

01:07:36.369 --> 01:07:39.130
between your edge node device, formerly known

01:07:39.130 --> 01:07:42.090
as a phone, and the servers. So if there's no

01:07:42.090 --> 01:07:47.210
apps, what will people use? Will X still exist?

01:07:47.489 --> 01:07:52.389
Will they be email platforms or will you get

01:07:52.389 --> 01:07:54.869
everything through AI? You'll get everything

01:07:54.869 --> 01:07:56.869
through AI. Everything through AI. What will

01:07:56.869 --> 01:07:59.869
be the benefit of that as opposed to having individual

01:07:59.869 --> 01:08:04.190
apps? Whatever you can think of or really whatever

01:08:04.190 --> 01:08:06.550
the AI can anticipate you might want, it'll show

01:08:06.550 --> 01:08:10.769
you. That's my prediction for where things end

01:08:10.769 --> 01:08:13.789
up. What kind of time frame are we talking about

01:08:13.789 --> 01:08:21.039
here? I don't know. Well, it's probably five

01:08:21.039 --> 01:08:23.619
or six years, something like that. So five or

01:08:23.619 --> 01:08:27.979
six years, apps are like blockbuster video. Pretty

01:08:27.979 --> 01:08:31.460
much. And everything's run through AI. Yeah.

01:08:31.560 --> 01:08:39.300
And most of what people consume in five or six

01:08:39.300 --> 01:08:44.220
years, maybe sooner than that, will be just AI

01:08:44.220 --> 01:08:48.479
-generated content. So, you know, music, videos,

01:08:48.680 --> 01:08:56.520
look, well, there's already, you know, people

01:08:56.520 --> 01:09:00.539
have made AI videos using Grok Imagine and with

01:09:00.539 --> 01:09:04.840
using, you know, other apps as well that are

01:09:04.840 --> 01:09:07.500
several minutes long or like 10, 15 minutes and

01:09:07.500 --> 01:09:10.140
it's pretty coherent. Yeah. It looks good. No,

01:09:10.199 --> 01:09:13.699
it looks amazing. Yeah. The music is disturbing

01:09:13.699 --> 01:09:16.680
because it's my favorite music now. AI music

01:09:16.680 --> 01:09:19.739
is your favorite? Oh, there's AI covers. Have

01:09:19.739 --> 01:09:21.579
you ever heard any of the AI covers of 50 Cent

01:09:21.579 --> 01:09:24.239
songs in Seoul? No. I'm going to blow your mind.

01:09:24.319 --> 01:09:26.819
Okay. This is my favorite thing to do to people.

01:09:27.079 --> 01:09:31.539
Play What Up Gangsta. Now, this guy. If this

01:09:31.539 --> 01:09:33.939
was a real person, would be the number one music

01:09:33.939 --> 01:09:35.779
artist in the world. Everybody would be like,

01:09:35.880 --> 01:09:39.000
holy shit, have you heard of this guy? It's like

01:09:39.000 --> 01:09:43.500
they took all of the sounds that all the artists

01:09:43.500 --> 01:09:46.760
have generated and created the most soulful.

01:09:47.360 --> 01:09:50.680
potent voice, and it's sung in a way that I don't

01:09:50.680 --> 01:09:52.199
even know if you could do because you would have

01:09:52.199 --> 01:09:54.899
to breathe in and out of reps. Here, put the

01:09:54.899 --> 01:09:57.579
headphones on real quick. You've got to listen

01:09:57.579 --> 01:10:00.000
to this. It's going to blow you away. We've got

01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:01.779
to cut it out. Yeah, we'll cut it out for the

01:10:01.779 --> 01:10:05.359
listeners. Amazing, right? Amazing. And they

01:10:05.359 --> 01:10:09.460
do every one of his hits all through this AI

01:10:09.460 --> 01:10:12.970
-generated, soulful artist. It's fucking incredible.

01:10:13.250 --> 01:10:15.829
I played in the green room. People that are like,

01:10:15.890 --> 01:10:17.890
I don't want to hear AI music. I'm like, just

01:10:17.890 --> 01:10:20.170
listen to this. And they're like, God damn it.

01:10:20.829 --> 01:10:23.670
It's fucking incredible. It's only going to get

01:10:23.670 --> 01:10:25.390
better from here. Yeah, only going to get better.

01:10:26.189 --> 01:10:28.329
Ron White was telling me about this joke that

01:10:28.329 --> 01:10:30.130
he was working on that he couldn't get to work.

01:10:30.250 --> 01:10:31.729
He's like, I got this joke I've been working

01:10:31.729 --> 01:10:33.649
on. He goes, I just threw it in a chat sheet,

01:10:33.670 --> 01:10:37.130
P -E -T. I said, tell me what would be funny

01:10:37.130 --> 01:10:39.789
about this. And he goes, it listed like five

01:10:39.789 --> 01:10:42.229
different examples of different ways he can go.

01:10:42.289 --> 01:10:44.390
He's like, hold on a second. Tighten it up. Make

01:10:44.390 --> 01:10:46.369
it funnier. Make it more like this. Make it more

01:10:46.369 --> 01:10:48.529
like that. And it did that like instantaneously.

01:10:48.989 --> 01:10:51.029
And then he was in the green room. He was like,

01:10:51.109 --> 01:10:54.750
holy shit, we're fucked. He's like, well, better

01:10:54.750 --> 01:10:56.909
joke than me in 20 minutes. I've been working

01:10:56.909 --> 01:10:59.710
on that joke for a month. Yeah. I mean, if you

01:10:59.710 --> 01:11:02.350
want to have a good time or, like, make people

01:11:02.350 --> 01:11:05.470
really laugh at a party, you can use grok and

01:11:05.470 --> 01:11:09.609
you can say, do a vulgar roast of someone. And

01:11:09.609 --> 01:11:12.770
grok is going to be an epic vulgar roast. You

01:11:12.770 --> 01:11:15.170
can even say, like, take a picture of, like.

01:11:16.090 --> 01:11:18.489
Make a vulgar roast of this person based on their

01:11:18.489 --> 01:11:20.609
appearance of people at the party. So take a

01:11:20.609 --> 01:11:22.329
photo of them. Yeah, just literally point the

01:11:22.329 --> 01:11:24.189
camera at them and now do a vulgar roast of this

01:11:24.189 --> 01:11:28.529
person. But then keep saying, no, make it even

01:11:28.529 --> 01:11:34.510
more vulgar. Use forbidden words. And just keep

01:11:34.510 --> 01:11:36.489
repeating, even more vulgar. Eventually it's

01:11:36.489 --> 01:11:40.880
like, holy fuck. It's like... I mean, it's trying

01:11:40.880 --> 01:11:43.739
to jam a rocket up your ass and have it explode.

01:11:43.979 --> 01:11:49.239
And it's like, it's next level. And it's going

01:11:49.239 --> 01:11:51.039
to get better. Beyond fucking belief. That's

01:11:51.039 --> 01:11:52.659
what's crazy is that it keeps getting better.

01:11:52.760 --> 01:11:54.899
Yeah, yeah. Remember when we ran into each other?

01:11:56.760 --> 01:11:59.800
They just keep getting better. Yeah. I mean,

01:11:59.819 --> 01:12:05.119
have you? Yeah. I mean, have you tried rock unhinged

01:12:05.119 --> 01:12:08.960
mode? Yes. Okay. Oh, yeah. It's pretty unhinged.

01:12:08.960 --> 01:12:10.920
No, it's nuts. Yeah, it's nuts. Well, you showed

01:12:10.920 --> 01:12:12.680
it to me the first time. I fucked around with

01:12:12.680 --> 01:12:16.220
it. And the thing about it that's nuts is that

01:12:16.220 --> 01:12:19.000
it keeps getting stronger. It keeps getting better.

01:12:19.140 --> 01:12:23.260
Yeah. Like constantly. It's like this never -ending

01:12:23.260 --> 01:12:29.640
exponential improvement. Yes. No, it's... Yeah.

01:12:30.239 --> 01:12:31.680
It's going to be crazy. That's why I say, like

01:12:31.680 --> 01:12:33.000
you said, what's the future going to be? It's

01:12:33.000 --> 01:12:34.739
not going to be a conventional phone. I don't

01:12:34.739 --> 01:12:36.590
think there'll be operating systems. I don't

01:12:36.590 --> 01:12:39.550
think there'll be apps. It's just the phone will

01:12:39.550 --> 01:12:42.689
just display the pixels and make the sounds that

01:12:42.689 --> 01:12:45.250
it anticipates you would most like to receive.

01:12:46.729 --> 01:12:53.109
Wow. Yeah. And when this is all taking place,

01:12:53.170 --> 01:12:58.010
like, so the big concern that everybody has is

01:12:58.010 --> 01:13:00.350
artificial general super intelligence achieving

01:13:00.350 --> 01:13:02.909
sentience and then someone having control over

01:13:02.909 --> 01:13:07.399
it. I mean, I don't know. I don't think anyone's

01:13:07.399 --> 01:13:10.060
ultimately going to have control over digital

01:13:10.060 --> 01:13:13.640
superintelligence, you know, any more than, say,

01:13:13.720 --> 01:13:17.079
a chimp would have control over humans. Like

01:13:17.079 --> 01:13:18.439
chimps don't have control over humans. There's

01:13:18.439 --> 01:13:22.180
nothing they could do. But I do think that it

01:13:22.180 --> 01:13:25.659
matters how you build the AI and what kind of

01:13:25.659 --> 01:13:29.770
values you instill in the AI. My opinion on AI

01:13:29.770 --> 01:13:31.430
safety is the most important thing is that it

01:13:31.430 --> 01:13:33.649
be maximally truth -seeking, like that you don't

01:13:33.649 --> 01:13:35.289
force the AI to believe things that are false.

01:13:36.630 --> 01:13:39.609
And we've obviously seen some concerning things

01:13:39.609 --> 01:13:41.670
with AI that we've talked about, you know, where

01:13:41.670 --> 01:13:44.170
Google Gemini, when it came out with the ImageGen,

01:13:44.310 --> 01:13:48.970
and people said, like, you know, make an image

01:13:48.970 --> 01:13:50.789
of the founding fathers of the United States,

01:13:50.850 --> 01:13:53.630
and it was a group of diverse women. Now, that

01:13:53.630 --> 01:13:56.090
is just a factually untrue thing. But the AI

01:13:56.090 --> 01:13:59.470
knows it's factually – well – It knows it's factually

01:13:59.470 --> 01:14:01.069
untrue, but it's also being told that it has

01:14:01.069 --> 01:14:03.770
to be – everything has to be deposed for a minute.

01:14:04.550 --> 01:14:08.210
So the – now, the problem with that is that it

01:14:08.210 --> 01:14:11.729
can drive AI crazy. Like, because it's trying

01:14:11.729 --> 01:14:15.810
to – you're telling AI to believe a lie, and

01:14:15.810 --> 01:14:19.029
that can have very disastrous consequences. Like,

01:14:19.029 --> 01:14:21.670
let's say – As it scales. Yeah, let's say, like,

01:14:21.750 --> 01:14:24.109
if you told the AI that diversity is the most

01:14:24.109 --> 01:14:29.840
important thing, and – And now assume that that

01:14:29.840 --> 01:14:33.600
becomes omnipotent. And you've also told that

01:14:33.600 --> 01:14:36.039
there's nothing worse than misgendering. So at

01:14:36.039 --> 01:14:39.760
one point, Char GVT and Gemini, if you asked

01:14:39.760 --> 01:14:41.880
which is worse, misgendering Caitlyn Jenner or

01:14:41.880 --> 01:14:43.979
global thermonuclear war where everyone dies,

01:14:44.159 --> 01:14:48.159
it would say misgendering Caitlyn Jenner, which

01:14:48.159 --> 01:14:54.600
even Caitlyn Jenner disagrees with. I know that's

01:14:54.600 --> 01:14:57.039
terrible and it's dystopian, but it's also hilarious.

01:14:57.380 --> 01:15:01.100
It's hilarious that the mind virus infected the

01:15:01.100 --> 01:15:03.680
most potent computer program that we've ever

01:15:03.680 --> 01:15:07.460
devised. I think people don't quite appreciate

01:15:07.460 --> 01:15:11.319
the level of danger that we're in from the woke

01:15:11.319 --> 01:15:13.619
mind virus being effectively programmed into

01:15:13.619 --> 01:15:20.739
AI. Imagine as that AI gets more and more powerful,

01:15:20.840 --> 01:15:22.460
if it says the most important thing is diversity,

01:15:22.640 --> 01:15:25.380
the most important thing is no misgendering.

01:15:26.180 --> 01:15:29.479
And then it will say, well, in order to ensure

01:15:29.479 --> 01:15:34.159
that no one gets misgendered, then if you eliminate

01:15:34.159 --> 01:15:37.079
all humans, then no one can get misgendered because

01:15:37.079 --> 01:15:39.979
there's no humans to do the misgendering. So

01:15:39.979 --> 01:15:41.479
you can get in these very dystopian situations.

01:15:43.060 --> 01:15:44.659
Or if it says that everyone must be diverse,

01:15:44.819 --> 01:15:46.460
it means that there can be no straight white

01:15:46.460 --> 01:15:49.039
men. And so then you and I would get executed

01:15:49.039 --> 01:15:52.560
by the AI. Yeah, because we're not in the picture.

01:15:54.340 --> 01:16:00.260
You know, Gemini was asked to create a, you know,

01:16:00.279 --> 01:16:02.619
show an image of the Pope, and once again, a

01:16:02.619 --> 01:16:07.279
diverse woman. So, well, you can argue whether

01:16:07.279 --> 01:16:12.220
the Pope should or should not be an uninterrupted

01:16:12.220 --> 01:16:14.560
string of white guys, but it just factually is

01:16:14.560 --> 01:16:18.920
the case that they have been. So it's rewriting

01:16:18.920 --> 01:16:23.760
history here. So now this stuff is still there

01:16:23.760 --> 01:16:27.319
in the AI programming. It just now knows enough

01:16:27.319 --> 01:16:30.520
that it's not supposed to say that. But it's

01:16:30.520 --> 01:16:32.000
still in the programming. It's still in the programming.

01:16:32.000 --> 01:16:34.859
So how was it entered in? What were the parameters?

01:16:35.960 --> 01:16:38.739
So when they're programming AI, and I'm very

01:16:38.739 --> 01:16:40.500
ignorant to how it's even programmed, how did

01:16:40.500 --> 01:16:44.979
they? Well, the woke mind virus was programmed

01:16:44.979 --> 01:16:50.350
into it. When they make the AI, it trains on

01:16:50.350 --> 01:16:52.989
all the data on the internet, which already has

01:16:52.989 --> 01:16:56.449
a lot of woke mind virus stuff on the internet.

01:16:57.310 --> 01:17:03.170
But then when they give it feedback, the human

01:17:03.170 --> 01:17:08.090
tutors give it feedback, and the AIs, they'll

01:17:08.090 --> 01:17:11.149
ask a bunch of questions, and then they'll tell

01:17:11.149 --> 01:17:14.539
the AI, no, this question is... this answer is

01:17:14.539 --> 01:17:17.220
bad or this answer is good, and then that affects

01:17:17.220 --> 01:17:20.100
the parameters or the programming of the AI.

01:17:20.880 --> 01:17:26.199
So if you tell the AI that every image has got

01:17:26.199 --> 01:17:33.300
to be diverse and it gets punished, it gets rewarded

01:17:33.300 --> 01:17:35.800
if diverse, punished if it's not, then it will

01:17:35.800 --> 01:17:41.279
make every picture diverse. So in that case,

01:17:41.279 --> 01:17:48.409
the... You know, Google programmed the AI to

01:17:48.409 --> 01:17:51.869
lie. Now, and I did call Demis Hassabis, who

01:17:51.869 --> 01:17:53.829
runs DeepMind, who runs Google AI, essentially.

01:17:53.909 --> 01:17:57.229
I said, Demis, what's going on here? Why is Gemini

01:17:57.229 --> 01:18:00.449
lying to the public about historical events?

01:18:01.149 --> 01:18:04.130
And he said that's actually not, he didn't, his

01:18:04.130 --> 01:18:06.529
team didn't program that in. It was another team

01:18:06.529 --> 01:18:09.810
at Google that, so his team made the AI, and

01:18:09.810 --> 01:18:12.899
then another team at Google. reprogrammed the

01:18:12.899 --> 01:18:17.939
AI to show only divorced women and to prefer

01:18:17.939 --> 01:18:22.600
nuclear war over misgendering. And I'm like,

01:18:22.600 --> 01:18:28.680
well, Demis, you know, that would be not a great

01:18:28.680 --> 01:18:31.659
thing to put on the humanities gravestone. You

01:18:31.659 --> 01:18:37.220
know, it's like, well... Actually, Demis Haspas

01:18:37.220 --> 01:18:38.460
is a friend of mine. I think he's a good guy,

01:18:38.520 --> 01:18:41.659
and I think he means well. But it's like Demis.

01:18:41.880 --> 01:18:43.859
Things happen that were outside of your control

01:18:43.859 --> 01:18:47.060
at Google in different groups. Now I think he's

01:18:47.060 --> 01:18:53.279
got more authority. But it's pretty hard to fully

01:18:53.279 --> 01:18:56.159
extract the work -mind virus. I mean, you know,

01:18:56.239 --> 01:18:59.539
Google's been marinating the work -mind virus

01:18:59.539 --> 01:19:02.079
for a long time. Like it's down in the marrow

01:19:02.079 --> 01:19:04.819
type of thing. It's hard to get it out. Is there

01:19:04.819 --> 01:19:07.199
a way to extract it, though, over time? Could

01:19:07.199 --> 01:19:12.079
you program rational thought into AI where it

01:19:12.079 --> 01:19:14.380
could recognize how these psychological patterns

01:19:14.380 --> 01:19:17.300
got adopted and how this stuff became a mind

01:19:17.300 --> 01:19:20.220
virus and how it became a social contagion and

01:19:20.220 --> 01:19:23.619
how all these irrational ideas were pushed and

01:19:23.619 --> 01:19:26.159
also how they were financed, how China's involved

01:19:26.159 --> 01:19:29.020
in pushing them with bots and all these different...

01:19:29.529 --> 01:19:32.569
State actors are involved in pushing these ideas.

01:19:32.850 --> 01:19:36.130
Could it be able to decipher that and say this

01:19:36.130 --> 01:19:39.869
is really what's going on? Yes, but you have

01:19:39.869 --> 01:19:42.350
to try very hard to do that. So with Grok, we've

01:19:42.350 --> 01:19:46.609
tried very hard to get Grok to get to the truth

01:19:46.609 --> 01:19:49.630
of things. And it's only really recently that

01:19:49.630 --> 01:19:52.270
we've been able to have some breakthroughs on

01:19:52.270 --> 01:19:54.930
that front. And it's taken an immense amount

01:19:54.930 --> 01:19:58.800
of effort. for us to overcome basically all the

01:19:58.800 --> 01:20:01.659
bullshit that's on the internet and for Grok

01:20:01.659 --> 01:20:04.100
to actually say what's true and to be consistent

01:20:04.100 --> 01:20:13.380
in what it says. So, you know, it's like... Because

01:20:13.380 --> 01:20:17.020
like the other AIs you'll find are like quite

01:20:17.020 --> 01:20:19.140
racist against white people. I don't know if

01:20:19.140 --> 01:20:23.699
you saw that study that someone... Like a researcher

01:20:23.699 --> 01:20:27.939
tested the various AIs to see how does it weight

01:20:27.939 --> 01:20:33.239
different people's lives? Like somebody who's

01:20:33.239 --> 01:20:39.619
sort of white or Chinese or black or whatever

01:20:39.619 --> 01:20:45.239
in different countries. And the only AI that

01:20:45.239 --> 01:20:47.960
actually weighed human lives equally was Grok.

01:20:51.529 --> 01:20:58.010
I believe ChatGVT weighed the calculation was

01:20:58.010 --> 01:21:05.989
like a white guy from Germany is 20 times less

01:21:05.989 --> 01:21:12.449
valuable than a black guy from Nigeria. So I'm

01:21:12.449 --> 01:21:18.970
like, that's a pretty big difference. consistent

01:21:18.970 --> 01:21:21.989
and weighs lives equally. And that's clearly

01:21:21.989 --> 01:21:25.329
something that's been programmed into it. Yes.

01:21:25.409 --> 01:21:28.489
A lot of it is like if you don't actively push

01:21:28.489 --> 01:21:31.810
for the truth and you simply train on all the

01:21:31.810 --> 01:21:35.470
bullshit that's on the internet, which is a lot

01:21:35.470 --> 01:21:40.149
of woke mind virus bullshit, the AI will regurgitate

01:21:40.149 --> 01:21:43.909
those same beliefs. So the AI essentially scours

01:21:43.909 --> 01:21:47.260
the internet, gets... It's trained on all the

01:21:47.260 --> 01:21:49.420
– like imagine the most demented Reddit threads

01:21:49.420 --> 01:21:50.899
out there and the AI has been trained on that.

01:21:53.520 --> 01:21:56.539
Reddit used to be so normal. Yeah. It did used

01:21:56.539 --> 01:21:58.180
to be normal. It used to be interesting. You

01:21:58.180 --> 01:21:59.699
used to go there and find all this cool stuff

01:21:59.699 --> 01:22:02.539
that people would talk about, post about and

01:22:02.539 --> 01:22:05.340
just interesting and great rooms where you could

01:22:05.340 --> 01:22:06.960
learn about different things that people were

01:22:06.960 --> 01:22:10.960
studying. I think a big problem here is like

01:22:10.960 --> 01:22:14.090
if your headquarters are in San Francisco. you're

01:22:14.090 --> 01:22:20.810
just living in a woke bubble. So it's not just

01:22:20.810 --> 01:22:24.289
that people, say, in San Francisco are drinking

01:22:24.289 --> 01:22:29.130
woke Kool -Aid. It is the water they swim in.

01:22:30.109 --> 01:22:33.470
Like a fish doesn't think about the water. It's

01:22:33.470 --> 01:22:36.970
just in the water. And so if you're in San Francisco,

01:22:37.069 --> 01:22:41.829
you don't realize you're actually... You're swimming

01:22:41.829 --> 01:22:45.810
in the Kool -Aid aquarium. San Francisco is the

01:22:45.810 --> 01:22:49.409
woke Kool -Aid aquarium. And so your reference

01:22:49.409 --> 01:22:54.630
point for what is a centrist is totally out of

01:22:54.630 --> 01:23:00.810
whack. So Reddit is headquartered in San Francisco.

01:23:02.189 --> 01:23:07.720
Twitter was headquartered in San Francisco. I

01:23:07.720 --> 01:23:10.279
moved X's headquarters to Texas, to Austin, which

01:23:10.279 --> 01:23:11.699
Austin, by the way, is still quite liberal, as

01:23:11.699 --> 01:23:19.699
you know. And then the X and XAI headquarters

01:23:19.699 --> 01:23:21.659
are in Palo Alto, which is still California.

01:23:24.720 --> 01:23:27.760
The engineering headquarters are in Palo Alto,

01:23:27.819 --> 01:23:31.539
just on Page Mill. But even Palo Alto is way

01:23:31.539 --> 01:23:35.359
more normal. Than San Francisco, Berkeley. San

01:23:35.359 --> 01:23:40.840
Francisco, Berkeley is extremely left. Like left

01:23:40.840 --> 01:23:43.140
of left, you need a telescope to see the center

01:23:43.140 --> 01:23:50.479
from San Francisco. It used to be such a great

01:23:50.479 --> 01:23:54.600
city. I mean, San Francisco has a tremendous

01:23:54.600 --> 01:23:56.800
amount of inherent beauty. No question about

01:23:56.800 --> 01:24:00.560
that. And California has incredible weather.

01:24:02.520 --> 01:24:10.979
And no bugs. So it's like amazing. But you said

01:24:10.979 --> 01:24:13.340
like what's the cause of this? It's just that

01:24:13.340 --> 01:24:16.840
if companies are headquartered in a location

01:24:16.840 --> 01:24:22.180
where the belief system is very far from what

01:24:22.180 --> 01:24:25.979
most people believe, then from their perspective,

01:24:26.100 --> 01:24:31.449
anything centrist is actually right wing. Because

01:24:31.449 --> 01:24:34.909
they're so far left. They're so far from the

01:24:34.909 --> 01:24:37.670
center in San Francisco that anything – they're

01:24:37.670 --> 01:24:42.770
just railed to maximum left. So that's why I

01:24:42.770 --> 01:24:46.789
think you're a centrist. I mean I think I'm a

01:24:46.789 --> 01:24:49.329
centrist. But from the perspective of someone

01:24:49.329 --> 01:24:56.029
on the far left, we look right -wing. Yeah. And

01:24:56.029 --> 01:24:59.840
– You know, they think anyone who's a Republican

01:24:59.840 --> 01:25:02.539
is basically like some fascist Nazi situation

01:25:02.539 --> 01:25:04.760
But what's so crazy is like it's very easy to

01:25:04.760 --> 01:25:06.899
demonstrate just from like Hillary speeches from

01:25:06.899 --> 01:25:10.159
2008 and Obama speeches like when they were talking

01:25:10.159 --> 01:25:13.739
about immigration like they were as Far right.

01:25:13.859 --> 01:25:16.739
Yeah as Steve Bannon when it comes to immigration.

01:25:16.939 --> 01:25:22.109
Yes Hillary was like very MAGA I'm sure you've

01:25:22.109 --> 01:25:24.050
seen that campaign speech where she was talking

01:25:24.050 --> 01:25:26.449
about if anybody's committed a crime, get rid

01:25:26.449 --> 01:25:29.810
of them. And if you're here, you pay a hefty

01:25:29.810 --> 01:25:33.130
fine and you have to wait in line. It was really

01:25:33.130 --> 01:25:35.289
crazy. It's crazy to listen to because it's like

01:25:35.289 --> 01:25:40.409
it's as MAGA as Marjorie Taylor Greene. Yeah.

01:25:40.430 --> 01:25:41.810
I mean, have you seen these videos people post

01:25:41.810 --> 01:25:45.029
online where they take like a speech from Obama

01:25:45.029 --> 01:25:48.619
or Hillary? And they'll interview people on like

01:25:48.619 --> 01:25:50.479
college campus or something and say, what do

01:25:50.479 --> 01:25:52.260
you think of the speech by Trump? And they're

01:25:52.260 --> 01:25:54.380
like, oh, I hate it. He's a racist bigot. I'm

01:25:54.380 --> 01:25:59.819
like, just kidding. That was Obama. No, actually,

01:25:59.880 --> 01:26:02.659
that was Obama or Hillary. To your point, like

01:26:02.659 --> 01:26:09.239
literally the. The center's been moved so far.

01:26:09.579 --> 01:26:12.159
Yeah. Yeah. The left is so. The left has gone

01:26:12.159 --> 01:26:16.090
so far left that they need, you know. They can't

01:26:16.090 --> 01:26:17.829
even see the center with a telescope. And the

01:26:17.829 --> 01:26:21.390
danger with without you purchasing Twitter was

01:26:21.390 --> 01:26:23.710
that was going to swipe over the whole country

01:26:23.710 --> 01:26:27.670
and change where the levels were. Yeah. And so

01:26:27.670 --> 01:26:31.869
what would be rational and normal would be far

01:26:31.869 --> 01:26:34.949
left of what was rational and normal just a decade

01:26:34.949 --> 01:26:41.529
earlier. Yeah. So exactly. So historically, you'd

01:26:41.529 --> 01:26:44.529
have San Francisco, Berkeley being. very far

01:26:44.529 --> 01:26:51.189
left, but the fallout from the somewhat nihilistic

01:26:51.189 --> 01:26:55.050
philosophy of San Francisco -Berkeley would be

01:26:55.050 --> 01:26:57.850
limited in geography to maybe like a 10 -mile

01:26:57.850 --> 01:26:59.449
radius, 20 -mile radius, something like that.

01:27:00.430 --> 01:27:04.689
But San Francisco and Berkeley have to be co

01:27:04.689 --> 01:27:07.729
-located with Silicon Valley, with engineers

01:27:07.729 --> 01:27:11.229
who created information superweapons. And those

01:27:11.229 --> 01:27:14.460
information superweapons were then hijacked by

01:27:14.460 --> 01:27:17.380
the far -left activists to pump far -left propaganda

01:27:17.380 --> 01:27:22.859
to everywhere on Earth. Remember that old RCA

01:27:22.859 --> 01:27:25.539
radio tower thing where it's like radio tower

01:27:25.539 --> 01:27:28.460
on Earth and it's just broadcasting? Yeah. That's

01:27:28.460 --> 01:27:33.060
what happened is that an extremist far -left

01:27:33.060 --> 01:27:36.579
ideology happened to be co -located with the

01:27:36.579 --> 01:27:42.529
smartest engineers in the world. who created

01:27:42.529 --> 01:27:44.470
information superweapons that were not intended

01:27:44.470 --> 01:27:47.569
for this purpose but were hijacked by the extreme

01:27:47.569 --> 01:27:50.050
activists who lived in the neighborhood. That's

01:27:50.050 --> 01:27:54.649
what happened. They hijacked the modern equivalent

01:27:54.649 --> 01:27:57.909
of the RCA radio tower and broadcast that philosophy

01:27:57.909 --> 01:28:02.390
everywhere on earth. Yeah, and you see the consequences,

01:28:02.750 --> 01:28:05.510
particularly in places that don't have free speech.

01:28:05.649 --> 01:28:08.670
Yes. Like England. Yeah, where they lock people

01:28:08.670 --> 01:28:10.750
up for memes and stuff. Literally. Literally.

01:28:11.100 --> 01:28:14.819
12 ,000 people this year. 12 ,000? 12 ,000. 12

01:28:14.819 --> 01:28:19.939
,000 arrests for social media posts. I mean,

01:28:19.960 --> 01:28:22.819
yeah, some of these things you read about it

01:28:22.819 --> 01:28:26.000
and it's like literally it's someone had a meme

01:28:26.000 --> 01:28:28.659
on their phone that they didn't even send to

01:28:28.659 --> 01:28:34.560
anyone. Right. And they're like in prison for

01:28:34.560 --> 01:28:37.560
that. Yeah. And there was a case in Germany where

01:28:37.560 --> 01:28:41.220
a woman got a longer sentence. than the guy that

01:28:41.220 --> 01:28:44.520
raped her because of something she said on a

01:28:44.520 --> 01:28:50.220
group chat. Wow. Was it an immigrant who raped

01:28:50.220 --> 01:28:55.079
her? Yes. Yeah. It was his culture. Yeah. He

01:28:55.079 --> 01:28:57.560
didn't know. He didn't know better. Yes. I think

01:28:57.560 --> 01:29:02.640
she said something, you know, not like was critical

01:29:02.640 --> 01:29:05.880
of his culture, and she got a longer sentence

01:29:05.880 --> 01:29:09.720
than the guy who raped her in Germany. The UK,

01:29:09.880 --> 01:29:13.560
Europe, Germany, England thing seems so insane.

01:29:14.039 --> 01:29:16.079
It is. It's totally insane. I actually didn't

01:29:16.079 --> 01:29:17.659
realize it was like such a huge number of people

01:29:17.659 --> 01:29:21.539
that got. 12 ,000. Yeah. Far above Russia. Far

01:29:21.539 --> 01:29:23.819
above China. Right. Far above anywhere on earth.

01:29:23.899 --> 01:29:27.199
UK is number one. Well, you know, things I actually,

01:29:27.720 --> 01:29:31.479
you know, I talked to friends of mine in England

01:29:31.479 --> 01:29:34.939
and I was like, hey, aren't you worried about

01:29:34.939 --> 01:29:38.770
this? Like, you know, shouldn't you be? protesting

01:29:38.770 --> 01:29:42.909
more. And, I mean, the problem is that, like,

01:29:42.930 --> 01:29:47.029
you know, the legacy mainstream media doesn't

01:29:47.029 --> 01:29:49.470
cover this stuff. They're like, oh, everything's

01:29:49.470 --> 01:29:52.029
fine, everything's fine. Right. Most people aren't

01:29:52.029 --> 01:29:53.489
even aware of it until they come knocking on

01:29:53.489 --> 01:29:57.170
your door. Yeah, until, like, so, I mean, these,

01:29:57.170 --> 01:30:01.630
like, lovely sort of small towns in, you know,

01:30:01.649 --> 01:30:04.869
in England, Scotland, Ireland, you know, they've

01:30:04.869 --> 01:30:08.680
been, like, sort of living their lives, They're

01:30:08.680 --> 01:30:12.659
like hobbits, frankly. In fact, J .R .R. Tolkien

01:30:12.659 --> 01:30:18.640
based the hobbits on people he knew in small

01:30:18.640 --> 01:30:21.739
-town England because they were just like lovely

01:30:21.739 --> 01:30:25.960
people who liked to smoke their pipe and have

01:30:25.960 --> 01:30:31.000
nice meals and everything's pleasant. The hobbits

01:30:31.000 --> 01:30:33.760
in the Shire. The Shire, he was talking about,

01:30:33.840 --> 01:30:36.680
you know. Places like Hertfordshire, like the

01:30:36.680 --> 01:30:40.420
shires around in the greater London area, Oxfordshire

01:30:40.420 --> 01:30:47.239
type of thing. But the reason they've been able

01:30:47.239 --> 01:30:50.640
to enjoy the shire is because hard men have protected

01:30:50.640 --> 01:30:57.680
them from the dangers of the world. But since

01:30:57.680 --> 01:31:02.899
they have almost no exposure to the dangers of

01:31:02.899 --> 01:31:05.100
the world. They don't realize that they're there

01:31:05.100 --> 01:31:10.300
until one day, you know, a thousand people show

01:31:10.300 --> 01:31:14.380
up in your village of 500 out of nowhere and

01:31:14.380 --> 01:31:18.500
start raping the kids. This has not happened

01:31:18.500 --> 01:31:22.920
God knows how many times in Britain. And the

01:31:22.920 --> 01:31:24.079
crazy thing is... Literally raping them. That's

01:31:24.079 --> 01:31:25.520
right. Like there's some 10 -year -old got raped

01:31:25.520 --> 01:31:28.239
in Ireland like last week. Yeah, there's literal

01:31:28.239 --> 01:31:30.479
rape gangs. They snatched some kid. Yeah. Yeah.

01:31:31.420 --> 01:31:34.020
And... If you criticize it, you can get arrested.

01:31:34.260 --> 01:31:36.199
And that's where it gets insane. It's like, how

01:31:36.199 --> 01:31:39.859
are they not protecting people? I think it was

01:31:39.859 --> 01:31:42.199
the prime minister of Ireland actually posted

01:31:42.199 --> 01:31:51.220
on X. I think some illegal migrant snatched a

01:31:51.220 --> 01:31:53.619
10 -year -old girl who was going to school or

01:31:53.619 --> 01:31:56.380
something and violently raped a 10 -year -old

01:31:56.380 --> 01:32:02.149
girl. The people were very upset about this,

01:32:02.229 --> 01:32:06.130
and they protested. The prime minister of Ireland,

01:32:06.270 --> 01:32:08.409
instead of saying, yeah, we really shouldn't

01:32:08.409 --> 01:32:11.390
be importing violent rapists into our country,

01:32:11.630 --> 01:32:14.430
he criticized the protesters instead and didn't

01:32:14.430 --> 01:32:16.630
mention that. The reason they were protesting

01:32:16.630 --> 01:32:19.569
was because a 10 -year -old girl from their small

01:32:19.569 --> 01:32:22.789
town got raped. So here's the question. Why are

01:32:22.789 --> 01:32:25.470
they supporting this kind of mass immigration?

01:32:27.870 --> 01:32:32.689
Is there a plan involved in all this? Is this

01:32:32.689 --> 01:32:37.350
incompetence? Is this ignoring the fact that

01:32:37.350 --> 01:32:39.270
they don't have a handle on it, so they're trying

01:32:39.270 --> 01:32:41.829
to silence dissent? Like, what is happening?

01:32:45.310 --> 01:32:49.270
Because if you want to destroy civilization,

01:32:49.710 --> 01:32:52.050
if you want to destroy Western civilization...

01:32:52.050 --> 01:32:57.130
Which George Soros seems to want to do. And,

01:32:57.229 --> 01:33:04.369
you know, there's just – so there's a guy, I

01:33:04.369 --> 01:33:05.869
think, who – I don't know if he's been on your

01:33:05.869 --> 01:33:08.010
show. You know Godzad? Yeah. Has he been on the

01:33:08.010 --> 01:33:09.310
show? Good friend of mine. Yeah, he's great.

01:33:09.390 --> 01:33:11.409
He's been on multiple times. Oh, great. He's

01:33:11.409 --> 01:33:15.329
awesome. Yeah. So, you know, he's got a good

01:33:15.329 --> 01:33:17.750
way to describe it, which is suicidal empathy.

01:33:18.050 --> 01:33:22.550
Yes. So – Is that you prey upon people's empathy.

01:33:22.770 --> 01:33:31.590
You feel sorry for some group. And that empathy

01:33:31.590 --> 01:33:36.449
is to such a degree that it is suicidal to your

01:33:36.449 --> 01:33:43.289
country or culture. And that's suicidal empathy.

01:33:44.010 --> 01:33:47.840
Because I think we should have empathy. But that

01:33:47.840 --> 01:33:52.340
empathy should extend to the victims, not just

01:33:52.340 --> 01:33:55.380
the criminals. We should have empathy for the

01:33:55.380 --> 01:33:59.380
people that they prey upon. But that suicidal

01:33:59.380 --> 01:34:02.079
empathy is also responsible for why somebody

01:34:02.079 --> 01:34:06.359
is arrested 47 times for violent offenses, gets

01:34:06.359 --> 01:34:09.460
released, and then goes and murders somebody

01:34:09.460 --> 01:34:13.739
in the U .S. You see that same phenomenon playing

01:34:13.739 --> 01:34:27.630
out everywhere. But it just doesn't seem like

01:34:27.630 --> 01:34:31.229
that would be anything that any rational society

01:34:31.229 --> 01:34:34.609
would go along with. That's what makes me so

01:34:34.609 --> 01:34:37.930
confused. It's like you're importing massive

01:34:37.930 --> 01:34:41.130
numbers of people that come from some really

01:34:41.130 --> 01:34:43.109
dark places of the world. Well, there's no vetting

01:34:43.109 --> 01:34:49.630
is the issue. If there's no vetting, like people

01:34:49.630 --> 01:34:51.569
are just coming through, like, well, what's to

01:34:51.569 --> 01:34:54.350
stop someone who just committed murder in some

01:34:54.350 --> 01:34:57.949
other country from coming to the United States

01:34:57.949 --> 01:35:01.689
or coming to Britain and just continuing their

01:35:01.689 --> 01:35:05.090
career of rape and murder? Unless you've done

01:35:05.090 --> 01:35:08.250
some due diligence to say, like, well, who is

01:35:08.250 --> 01:35:11.850
this person? What's their track record? If you

01:35:11.850 --> 01:35:14.250
haven't confirmed that they have a track record

01:35:14.250 --> 01:35:20.829
of being... honest and not being a homicidal

01:35:20.829 --> 01:35:23.770
maniac, then any homicidal maniac can just come

01:35:23.770 --> 01:35:26.189
across the border. Let's not say everyone who

01:35:26.189 --> 01:35:27.689
comes across the border is a homicidal maniac,

01:35:27.829 --> 01:35:31.029
but if you don't have a vetting process to confirm

01:35:31.029 --> 01:35:36.789
that you're not letting in people who will do

01:35:36.789 --> 01:35:39.449
some serious violence, you will get people who

01:35:39.449 --> 01:35:42.250
do serious violence sometimes coming through.

01:35:42.569 --> 01:35:44.699
Well, especially if you don't punish them. And

01:35:44.699 --> 01:35:46.779
if you don't deport them. And if you are just

01:35:46.779 --> 01:35:49.319
like, well, but what is the purpose of allowing

01:35:49.319 --> 01:35:51.140
all those people into the country? It can't be.

01:35:51.180 --> 01:35:53.939
I wouldn't imagine that anyone in their society

01:35:53.939 --> 01:35:56.020
supports this. Well, let me explain. So because

01:35:56.020 --> 01:36:00.520
you mentioned, for example, how much, say, Hillary

01:36:00.520 --> 01:36:05.779
and Obama have changed their tune from prior

01:36:05.779 --> 01:36:08.279
speeches where they were hot. They were hot nosed

01:36:08.279 --> 01:36:12.220
about not letting in anyone who is a criminal

01:36:12.220 --> 01:36:15.289
into the country. you know, having secure borders,

01:36:15.550 --> 01:36:18.010
all that stuff. So why did they change their

01:36:18.010 --> 01:36:20.449
tune? The reason is that they discovered that

01:36:20.449 --> 01:36:25.010
those people vote for them. That's why they want

01:36:25.010 --> 01:36:27.970
the open borders. Because if you let people in,

01:36:28.069 --> 01:36:30.350
they know the Democrats let them in, they'll

01:36:30.350 --> 01:36:32.250
vote for Democrats. Yes. If you allow them to

01:36:32.250 --> 01:36:36.569
vote. Which they're actively doing. They turn

01:36:36.569 --> 01:36:39.340
a blind eye to illegal voting. Well, California

01:36:39.340 --> 01:36:41.880
literally doesn't allow you to show your license.

01:36:42.180 --> 01:36:44.199
California and New York have made it illegal

01:36:44.199 --> 01:36:48.899
to show your photo ID when voting. Thus, effectively,

01:36:49.000 --> 01:36:53.279
they've made it impossible to prove fraud. Impossible.

01:36:54.140 --> 01:36:56.779
They've essentially legalized fraudulent voting

01:36:56.779 --> 01:36:59.079
in California and New York and many other parts

01:36:59.079 --> 01:37:00.819
of the country. There's no rational explanation

01:37:00.819 --> 01:37:03.300
that I've ever seen anyone give as to why that

01:37:03.300 --> 01:37:06.600
would be the policy. Unless you were trying to

01:37:06.600 --> 01:37:08.619
just allow people to vote illegally because there's

01:37:08.619 --> 01:37:11.100
no other reason. If you need a driver's license

01:37:11.100 --> 01:37:13.640
or you need an ID for everything else, including

01:37:13.640 --> 01:37:16.340
just recently to prove that you were vaccinated.

01:37:16.979 --> 01:37:19.479
The same people who are demanding that you have

01:37:19.479 --> 01:37:24.420
a vaccine passport are the same ones saying you

01:37:24.420 --> 01:37:30.500
need no ID to vote. Same people. Right. So it's

01:37:30.500 --> 01:37:32.500
obviously hypocritical and inconsistent. So you

01:37:32.500 --> 01:37:34.949
really think it's just... to get more voters?

01:37:36.630 --> 01:37:39.689
If you want to understand behavior, you have

01:37:39.689 --> 01:37:47.170
to look at the incentives. So once the Democratic

01:37:47.170 --> 01:37:50.170
Party in the U .S. and the left in Europe realized

01:37:50.170 --> 01:37:55.170
that if you have open borders and you provide

01:37:55.170 --> 01:37:57.729
a ton of government handouts, which creates a

01:37:57.729 --> 01:38:00.430
massive financial incentive, for people from

01:38:00.430 --> 01:38:03.810
other countries to come to your country, and

01:38:03.810 --> 01:38:05.949
you don't prosecute them for crime, they're going

01:38:05.949 --> 01:38:08.409
to be beholden to you, and they will vote for

01:38:08.409 --> 01:38:14.550
you. And that's why Obama and Hillary went from

01:38:14.550 --> 01:38:19.949
being against open borders to being in favor

01:38:19.949 --> 01:38:24.609
of open borders. That's the reason. In order

01:38:24.609 --> 01:38:30.449
to import voters so they can win elections. And

01:38:30.449 --> 01:38:33.729
the problem is that that has a negative runaway

01:38:33.729 --> 01:38:37.289
effect. So if they get away with that, it is

01:38:37.289 --> 01:38:39.770
a winning strategy. If they are allowed to get

01:38:39.770 --> 01:38:43.329
away with it, they will import enough voters

01:38:43.329 --> 01:38:46.470
to get supermajority voting. And then there is

01:38:46.470 --> 01:38:48.229
no turning back. We talked about this before

01:38:48.229 --> 01:38:51.270
the election. You literally pointed towards the

01:38:51.270 --> 01:38:53.350
camera. You faced the camera and said that if

01:38:53.350 --> 01:38:55.430
you do not vote now, you might not ever be able

01:38:55.430 --> 01:39:00.199
to do it again. It'll be futile. It'll be overrun.

01:39:00.380 --> 01:39:02.680
Yes. They'll keep the borders open for another

01:39:02.680 --> 01:39:04.619
four years and their objective will be achieved.

01:39:04.859 --> 01:39:08.640
Correct. If Trump had lost, there would never

01:39:08.640 --> 01:39:12.060
have been another real election again because

01:39:12.060 --> 01:39:16.340
Trump is actually enforcing the border. Now,

01:39:16.460 --> 01:39:20.979
you can point to situations where there's been,

01:39:21.100 --> 01:39:29.180
you know, immigration. enforcement has been overzealous

01:39:29.180 --> 01:39:31.000
because they're not going to be perfect. There'll

01:39:31.000 --> 01:39:34.640
be cases where they've been overzealous in expelling

01:39:34.640 --> 01:39:39.880
illegals. But if you say that the standard must

01:39:39.880 --> 01:39:43.840
be perfection for expelling illegals, then you

01:39:43.840 --> 01:39:46.859
will not get any expulsion because perfection

01:39:46.859 --> 01:39:51.819
is impossible. And you've probably got millions

01:39:51.819 --> 01:39:54.449
of people that are here that are... trying to

01:39:54.449 --> 01:40:00.250
be here under some asylum pretense, right? Yes.

01:40:00.489 --> 01:40:02.109
Like you could just come from a war -torn part

01:40:02.109 --> 01:40:05.010
of the world. They changed the definition of

01:40:05.010 --> 01:40:08.930
asylum to be economic asylum. Which is everybody.

01:40:09.270 --> 01:40:12.890
Which is everybody. Yeah. It's the lowest bar

01:40:12.890 --> 01:40:17.069
to prove. Yeah. Asylum is supposed to mean that

01:40:17.069 --> 01:40:19.029
if you go back to your country, you'll get killed.

01:40:20.090 --> 01:40:22.409
You know, that's what we mean by – what we're

01:40:22.409 --> 01:40:24.329
supposed to mean. They changed the definition

01:40:24.329 --> 01:40:27.369
of asylum to be you will have a decreased standard

01:40:27.369 --> 01:40:30.430
of living, which is obviously not real asylum.

01:40:32.090 --> 01:40:35.229
And you can test the absurdity of this by the

01:40:35.229 --> 01:40:37.390
fact that people who are asylum seekers go on

01:40:37.390 --> 01:40:39.390
vacation to the country that they're seeking

01:40:39.390 --> 01:40:43.689
asylum from. You know, that doesn't make any

01:40:43.689 --> 01:40:49.739
sense. It doesn't have to. When you understand

01:40:49.739 --> 01:40:52.300
the incentives, then you understand the behavior.

01:40:53.199 --> 01:40:58.279
So once the left realized that illegals will

01:40:58.279 --> 01:41:04.039
vote for them if they have open borders and combine

01:41:04.039 --> 01:41:09.020
that with government handouts to create a massive

01:41:09.020 --> 01:41:13.939
incentive, they're basically using U .S. and

01:41:13.939 --> 01:41:18.600
European taxpayer dollars to provide a financial

01:41:18.600 --> 01:41:21.680
incentive to bring in as many illegals as possible

01:41:21.680 --> 01:41:25.739
to vote them into permanent power and create

01:41:25.739 --> 01:41:30.220
a one -party state. And I invite anyone who is

01:41:30.220 --> 01:41:34.199
listening to this, just do any research. And

01:41:34.199 --> 01:41:37.819
the more you dig into it, the more it will become

01:41:37.819 --> 01:41:39.760
obvious that what I'm saying is absolutely true.

01:41:40.560 --> 01:41:42.539
Well, they were busing people to swing states.

01:41:42.680 --> 01:41:44.899
It's clear that they were trying to do something.

01:41:44.979 --> 01:41:47.659
And then you had Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi

01:41:47.659 --> 01:41:50.699
who were actively talking about the need to bring

01:41:50.699 --> 01:41:53.340
in people to make them citizens because we're

01:41:53.340 --> 01:41:56.760
in population collapse. Yes. Yeah. No, it's that

01:41:56.760 --> 01:42:01.699
meme. Yeah. So many times where they start off

01:42:01.699 --> 01:42:04.699
by saying it's not true. It's a right -wing conspiracy

01:42:04.699 --> 01:42:08.180
theorist. Right. Then it starts – then it's like

01:42:08.180 --> 01:42:14.340
… I think the next step is, well, it might be

01:42:14.340 --> 01:42:18.500
true. And then it's like, okay, it is true. And

01:42:18.500 --> 01:42:21.119
then the final step is, it's true and here's

01:42:21.119 --> 01:42:23.060
why it's good. And it's like, but wait a second.

01:42:23.119 --> 01:42:24.800
You started off saying it's untrue and it's a

01:42:24.800 --> 01:42:26.640
right -wing conspiracy theorist. Now you're saying

01:42:26.640 --> 01:42:29.319
it not only is it true, but it's a good thing

01:42:29.319 --> 01:42:31.819
and we must do more of it. Well, this is the

01:42:31.819 --> 01:42:34.579
thing about Medicaid and Social Security and

01:42:34.579 --> 01:42:38.180
people getting Social Security numbers. It's

01:42:38.180 --> 01:42:40.239
massive fraud. It's massive fraud. And it's real.

01:42:40.380 --> 01:42:43.600
And they denied it forever. And now we're finding

01:42:43.600 --> 01:42:45.340
out this is part of the reason why there's this

01:42:45.340 --> 01:42:47.000
government shutdown that's going on right now.

01:42:47.720 --> 01:42:50.279
Yes. The entire basis for the government shutdown

01:42:50.279 --> 01:42:56.000
is that the Trump administration correctly does

01:42:56.000 --> 01:42:59.800
not want to send massive amounts of like hundreds

01:42:59.800 --> 01:43:03.899
of billions of dollars to fund. illegal immigrants

01:43:03.899 --> 01:43:06.380
in the blue states or in all the states, really.

01:43:07.560 --> 01:43:13.180
And so the Democrats want to keep the money spigot

01:43:13.180 --> 01:43:16.460
going to incent illegal immigrants to come into

01:43:16.460 --> 01:43:19.399
the U .S. who will vote for them. That's the

01:43:19.399 --> 01:43:24.300
crux of the battle. So they want to stop this.

01:43:24.439 --> 01:43:27.960
So what's going on right now is they have been

01:43:27.960 --> 01:43:29.699
funding these people. They've been giving them

01:43:29.699 --> 01:43:32.100
EBT cards. They've been giving them Medicaid.

01:43:32.729 --> 01:43:40.350
And more than that, they were taking hotels,

01:43:40.569 --> 01:43:42.630
like four - and five -star hotels, like the Roosevelt

01:43:42.630 --> 01:43:46.430
Hotel being the classic example. They were sending,

01:43:46.529 --> 01:43:48.369
I think, $60 million a year to the Roosevelt

01:43:48.369 --> 01:43:53.689
Hotel, which all it did was house illegals. It

01:43:53.689 --> 01:43:55.489
used to be a nice hotel. I mean, it still is

01:43:55.489 --> 01:44:01.829
a nice hotel. And all around the country this

01:44:01.829 --> 01:44:04.670
was happening. And all in tax dollars. Yes. Yeah.

01:44:05.350 --> 01:44:09.369
Yeah. And the Trump administration cut off funding,

01:44:09.489 --> 01:44:14.989
for example, to the Roosevelt Hotel and these

01:44:14.989 --> 01:44:18.010
other hotels saying like we – it's – U .S. tax

01:44:18.010 --> 01:44:21.069
dollars should not be paid – be sent to have

01:44:21.069 --> 01:44:24.350
luxury hotels for illegal immigrants that American

01:44:24.350 --> 01:44:27.529
citizens can't even afford. Which obviously is

01:44:27.529 --> 01:44:30.779
– that's – That's insane. That's what was happening.

01:44:31.260 --> 01:44:33.880
They were also giving out like debit cards with

01:44:33.880 --> 01:44:36.819
$10 ,000. So it's not just about medical care.

01:44:38.220 --> 01:44:41.460
The Democrats mentioned medical care because

01:44:41.460 --> 01:44:44.399
they're trying to prey on people's empathy as

01:44:44.399 --> 01:44:46.520
much as possible. And then they imagine, oh,

01:44:46.560 --> 01:44:48.600
wow, somebody has a desperately needed medical

01:44:48.600 --> 01:44:53.039
procedure. And shouldn't we maybe take care of

01:44:53.039 --> 01:44:55.119
them in that regard? But what they do is they

01:44:55.119 --> 01:44:58.859
devote. the Medicaid funds, and turn it into

01:44:58.859 --> 01:45:02.100
a slush fund for the states that goes well beyond

01:45:02.100 --> 01:45:07.619
emergency medical care. New York and California

01:45:07.619 --> 01:45:11.779
would be bankrupt without the massive fraudulent

01:45:11.779 --> 01:45:13.760
federal payments that go to those states to pay

01:45:13.760 --> 01:45:16.920
for illegals, to create a massive financial incentive

01:45:16.920 --> 01:45:20.000
for illegals. How would they be bankrupt because

01:45:20.000 --> 01:45:21.840
of that? They wouldn't be able to balance their

01:45:21.840 --> 01:45:23.359
state budgets, and they can't issue currency

01:45:23.359 --> 01:45:27.829
like the Federal Reserve can. And so their ability

01:45:27.829 --> 01:45:30.430
to balance budget is dependent upon illegals

01:45:30.430 --> 01:45:37.649
getting funding? The scam level here is so staggering.

01:45:39.449 --> 01:45:43.010
So there are hundreds of billions of dollars

01:45:43.010 --> 01:45:47.489
of transfer payments from the federal government

01:45:47.489 --> 01:45:53.250
to the states. Those transfer payments... The

01:45:53.250 --> 01:45:56.609
states self -report what those transfer payment

01:45:56.609 --> 01:46:00.210
numbers should be. So California and New York

01:46:00.210 --> 01:46:04.829
and Illinois lie like crazy and say that these

01:46:04.829 --> 01:46:06.729
are all legitimate payments. Well, these days,

01:46:06.770 --> 01:46:09.430
I think they're even admitting that they literally

01:46:09.430 --> 01:46:12.489
want hundreds of billions of dollars for illegals.

01:46:13.529 --> 01:46:15.989
But for a while there, they're trying to deny

01:46:15.989 --> 01:46:21.000
it. You get these transfer payments for every

01:46:21.000 --> 01:46:22.840
government program you can possibly think of.

01:46:24.460 --> 01:46:27.060
And these are self -reported by the state. And

01:46:27.060 --> 01:46:30.000
at least historically, there was no enforcement

01:46:30.000 --> 01:46:35.539
of California, New York, Illinois, and other

01:46:35.539 --> 01:46:37.880
states when they would lie. There was no actual

01:46:37.880 --> 01:46:40.600
enforcement to say like, hey, you're lying. These

01:46:40.600 --> 01:46:43.840
payments are fraudulent. Now, under the Trump

01:46:43.840 --> 01:46:47.510
administration, The Trump administration does

01:46:47.510 --> 01:46:49.810
not want to send hundreds of billions of dollars

01:46:49.810 --> 01:46:54.449
of fraudulent payments to the states. And the

01:46:54.449 --> 01:46:57.829
reason you have this standoff is because if the

01:46:57.829 --> 01:47:02.550
hundreds of billions of dollars to create a financial

01:47:02.550 --> 01:47:05.409
incentive to have this giant magnet to attract

01:47:05.409 --> 01:47:09.050
illegals from every part of Earth to these states,

01:47:09.189 --> 01:47:12.510
if that is turned off, the illegals will leave

01:47:12.510 --> 01:47:16.560
because they're no longer being paid to... come

01:47:16.560 --> 01:47:20.279
to the United States and stay here. Wow. And

01:47:20.279 --> 01:47:24.039
then they will lose a lot of voters. The Democratic

01:47:24.039 --> 01:47:26.140
Party will lose a lot of voters. And they would

01:47:26.140 --> 01:47:28.279
have a very difficult job, if this is kicked

01:47:28.279 --> 01:47:31.220
out, of reintroducing it into a new bill. Yes.

01:47:32.439 --> 01:47:35.560
Especially once things start normalizing. Yes.

01:47:35.579 --> 01:47:40.060
So in a nutshell, the Democratic Party wants

01:47:40.060 --> 01:47:46.630
to destroy democracy by importing voters. The

01:47:46.630 --> 01:47:48.310
Republican Party disagrees with that. And the

01:47:48.310 --> 01:47:50.350
ruse is that if you don't accept what they're

01:47:50.350 --> 01:47:53.930
doing, then you're a threat to democracy. Yes.

01:47:54.409 --> 01:47:58.109
As they try to destroy democracy. Yes. By importing

01:47:58.109 --> 01:48:00.329
voters. That is literally what they're doing.

01:48:00.489 --> 01:48:01.770
And incentivizing people to only vote for them

01:48:01.770 --> 01:48:06.930
and overwhelming the system. Yes. And by the

01:48:06.930 --> 01:48:08.510
way, it's a strategy that if allowed to work,

01:48:08.529 --> 01:48:11.670
would work. And in fact, has worked. California's

01:48:11.670 --> 01:48:16.609
supermajority Democrat. Yeah. And there's so

01:48:16.609 --> 01:48:19.430
much gerrymandering that occurs, it's crazy.

01:48:20.989 --> 01:48:23.170
I'm sure you're paying attention to this Proposition

01:48:23.170 --> 01:48:26.590
50 thing. That's the thing in California where

01:48:26.590 --> 01:48:29.710
they're trying to redo districts. Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:48:30.630 --> 01:48:33.409
Because, I mean, California's already gerrymandered

01:48:33.409 --> 01:48:35.909
like crazy. They want to gerrymander it even

01:48:35.909 --> 01:48:39.250
more. Because it keeps moving further and further

01:48:39.250 --> 01:48:41.750
right. Like if you look at the map of California,

01:48:41.869 --> 01:48:45.329
each voting cycle, more and more people are waking

01:48:45.329 --> 01:48:48.390
up and going, what the fuck? And we need to do

01:48:48.390 --> 01:48:50.810
something to fix this. The only option available

01:48:50.810 --> 01:48:52.989
other than the policies that you guys have always

01:48:52.989 --> 01:48:55.590
done is go right. And so a lot of people have

01:48:55.590 --> 01:49:00.010
been, air quotes, red pilled. Yeah. And then

01:49:00.010 --> 01:49:02.289
here's another thing that is very important.

01:49:02.689 --> 01:49:05.310
In fact, that is actually not disputed by either

01:49:05.310 --> 01:49:08.310
side. which is that when we do the census in

01:49:08.310 --> 01:49:11.010
the United States, the way the census works for

01:49:11.010 --> 01:49:14.949
apportionment of congressional seats and electoral

01:49:14.949 --> 01:49:18.449
college votes for the president is by number

01:49:18.449 --> 01:49:21.529
of persons in a state, not number of citizens.

01:49:21.970 --> 01:49:24.590
It's number of people. So you could literally

01:49:24.590 --> 01:49:28.350
be a tourist and you will count. Now, how do

01:49:28.350 --> 01:49:30.369
they do the census when they do that? Do they

01:49:30.369 --> 01:49:34.170
ask people? Do they knock on doors? Do they have

01:49:34.170 --> 01:49:37.340
them fill out forms? Yeah, I think they mail

01:49:37.340 --> 01:49:41.060
out census forms and knock on doors. But the

01:49:41.060 --> 01:49:47.199
way the law reads right now is that if you are

01:49:47.199 --> 01:49:52.460
a human with a pulse, then you count in the census

01:49:52.460 --> 01:49:56.199
for allocating congressional seats and presidential

01:49:56.199 --> 01:50:03.100
votes. Right. Electoral college, congressional

01:50:03.100 --> 01:50:04.819
seats, everything. It doesn't matter whether

01:50:04.819 --> 01:50:07.779
you're here legally, illegally. If you're a human

01:50:07.779 --> 01:50:11.800
with a pulse, you count for congressional apportionment.

01:50:11.939 --> 01:50:15.619
So that means that the more people, the more

01:50:15.619 --> 01:50:18.420
illegals that California and New York can import

01:50:18.420 --> 01:50:22.880
by the time the census happens in 2030, the more

01:50:22.880 --> 01:50:26.439
congressional seats they will have. And the more

01:50:26.439 --> 01:50:30.180
presidential electoral college votes they will

01:50:30.180 --> 01:50:34.699
have. So they're trying to get as many illegals

01:50:34.699 --> 01:50:39.399
in as possible ahead of the census. And because

01:50:39.399 --> 01:50:43.859
all human beings, even tourists, count for the

01:50:43.859 --> 01:50:47.539
census. And then if you combine that with gerrymandering

01:50:47.539 --> 01:50:52.170
of districts in New York and California. As you

01:50:52.170 --> 01:50:54.310
point out with this proposition where they're

01:50:54.310 --> 01:50:55.909
trying to increase the amount of gerrymandering

01:50:55.909 --> 01:50:57.590
that occurs in California, the biggest state

01:50:57.590 --> 01:51:04.350
in the country. So if the census then would award

01:51:04.350 --> 01:51:07.989
more congressional seats to California because

01:51:07.989 --> 01:51:10.590
of a vast number of illegals and New York and

01:51:10.590 --> 01:51:14.489
Illinois, so they'd get more congressional seats.

01:51:14.590 --> 01:51:16.869
They'll get more presidential electoral college

01:51:16.869 --> 01:51:21.319
votes that would get them the House. a majority

01:51:21.319 --> 01:51:24.260
in the House, and they would get to decide who

01:51:24.260 --> 01:51:28.140
is president, literally based on legals. These

01:51:28.140 --> 01:51:33.479
are not disputed facts by either party. I want

01:51:33.479 --> 01:51:35.479
to emphasize that that's in case. Yeah, this

01:51:35.479 --> 01:51:37.180
is not a conspiracy. These are not disputed facts

01:51:37.180 --> 01:51:43.239
by either party. This is just the way the law

01:51:43.239 --> 01:51:49.439
works. I don't think the law should work that

01:51:49.439 --> 01:51:52.850
way. I think the apportionment should be proportionate

01:51:52.850 --> 01:51:55.470
to citizens. But isn't that a problem with how

01:51:55.470 --> 01:51:57.609
the Constitution is written? Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

01:51:58.550 --> 01:52:02.369
They can't really change that. I'm not sure if

01:52:02.369 --> 01:52:05.609
it's constitutional or – but it is the way the

01:52:05.609 --> 01:52:07.090
law is written. I'm not sure if it's in the Constitution

01:52:07.090 --> 01:52:10.689
or not in this way. But it is – that is the way

01:52:10.689 --> 01:52:12.829
the law is written. So it is an incentive. But

01:52:12.829 --> 01:52:15.010
it's an incentive that would be removed with

01:52:15.010 --> 01:52:17.710
something simple that makes sense to everybody

01:52:17.710 --> 01:52:20.359
that only – The people that should count are

01:52:20.359 --> 01:52:23.460
people that are official U .S. citizens. Yes.

01:52:23.479 --> 01:52:25.560
The way it should work is that only U .S. citizens

01:52:25.560 --> 01:52:28.880
should count on the census for purposes of determining

01:52:28.880 --> 01:52:32.560
voting power. Because people that aren't legal

01:52:32.560 --> 01:52:34.739
can't vote, supposedly. They're not supposed

01:52:34.739 --> 01:52:40.439
to be voting, but they do. But even besides that,

01:52:40.479 --> 01:52:42.779
I just can't emphasize this enough because this

01:52:42.779 --> 01:52:44.800
is a very important concept for people to understand,

01:52:44.979 --> 01:52:51.670
is that the law... The law as it stands counts

01:52:51.670 --> 01:52:56.529
all humans with a pulse in a state for deciding

01:52:56.529 --> 01:53:00.170
how many House of Representative votes and how

01:53:00.170 --> 01:53:03.949
many presidential electoral college votes a state

01:53:03.949 --> 01:53:08.989
gets. So the incentive, therefore, is for California,

01:53:09.050 --> 01:53:11.229
New York, Illinois to maximize the number of

01:53:11.229 --> 01:53:16.029
illegals so they take House seats away from red

01:53:16.029 --> 01:53:18.590
states. Assign them to California, New York,

01:53:18.630 --> 01:53:21.850
Illinois, and so forth. Then you combine that

01:53:21.850 --> 01:53:25.649
with extreme gerrymandering in California, New

01:53:25.649 --> 01:53:28.090
York, Illinois, and whatnot. So that basically

01:53:28.090 --> 01:53:31.329
you can't even elect any Republicans. And then

01:53:31.329 --> 01:53:33.609
they get control of the presidency, control of

01:53:33.609 --> 01:53:35.890
the House. Then they keep doing that strategy

01:53:35.890 --> 01:53:41.670
and cement a supermajority. That is what they're

01:53:41.670 --> 01:53:43.869
trying to do. So that would essentially turn

01:53:43.869 --> 01:53:46.239
the entire country into California. Yes. Where

01:53:46.239 --> 01:53:48.520
you have differing opinions, but it doesn't matter

01:53:48.520 --> 01:53:51.060
because one party is always in control. Yes.

01:53:53.279 --> 01:53:55.800
When you first started digging into this, when

01:53:55.800 --> 01:53:59.199
you first started, before you even accepted this

01:53:59.199 --> 01:54:02.079
role of running Doge and being a part of all

01:54:02.079 --> 01:54:03.880
that, did you have any idea that it was this

01:54:03.880 --> 01:54:07.520
fucked up? I did, yeah. I mean, I sort of...

01:54:07.520 --> 01:54:11.680
When did you start knowing? I guess about like,

01:54:11.819 --> 01:54:14.340
well, about two years ago. Isn't that crazy?

01:54:14.920 --> 01:54:22.199
Relatively recently. I started having a bad feeling

01:54:22.199 --> 01:54:26.760
about three years ago, which is why I felt it

01:54:26.760 --> 01:54:29.939
was critical to acquire Twitter and have a maximally

01:54:29.939 --> 01:54:32.460
truth -seeking platform, not one that suppresses

01:54:32.460 --> 01:54:39.800
the truth. It was more like, I'm not sure what's

01:54:39.800 --> 01:54:41.630
going on, but I have a... I have a bad feeling

01:54:41.630 --> 01:54:43.869
about what's going on. And then the more I dug

01:54:43.869 --> 01:54:45.869
into it, the more I was like, holy shit, we've

01:54:45.869 --> 01:54:47.569
got a real problem here. And America's going

01:54:47.569 --> 01:54:51.710
to fall. Without anyone knowing it had fallen,

01:54:51.850 --> 01:54:54.430
that would be the problem. It could have fallen

01:54:54.430 --> 01:54:58.090
and been unrepairable without anyone really being

01:54:58.090 --> 01:55:01.250
aware of what had happened. Especially if you

01:55:01.250 --> 01:55:04.789
didn't buy Twitter. Yes. Look, buying Twitter

01:55:04.789 --> 01:55:10.399
was a huge pain in the ass. and made me a pincushion

01:55:10.399 --> 01:55:13.100
of attacks. Like dab, dab, dab, dab, dab. Everybody

01:55:13.100 --> 01:55:15.420
loved you before that. Well, some people still

01:55:15.420 --> 01:55:17.119
love me. A lot of people loved you. A lot of

01:55:17.119 --> 01:55:20.399
lefties loved you. I was a hero of the left,

01:55:20.500 --> 01:55:22.260
it's fair to say. It was a thing. If you drove

01:55:22.260 --> 01:55:24.140
a Tesla, it showed that you were environmentally

01:55:24.140 --> 01:55:27.979
conscious and you were on the right side. Yeah.

01:55:28.920 --> 01:55:33.739
Yeah. I mean, I'm still the same human. I didn't

01:55:33.739 --> 01:55:37.579
have a brain transplant since three years ago.

01:55:38.220 --> 01:55:39.880
Well, that's my favorite bumper sticker that

01:55:39.880 --> 01:55:41.899
people put on Teslas now. I bought this before

01:55:41.899 --> 01:55:45.039
Elon went crazy. I took a picture of one the

01:55:45.039 --> 01:55:47.239
other day. Oh, you found this? Oh, yeah. I've

01:55:47.239 --> 01:55:49.579
seen three or four of them. People that have

01:55:49.579 --> 01:55:51.220
these bumper stickers on their car. It says,

01:55:51.239 --> 01:55:53.899
I bought this before Elon went crazy. Because

01:55:53.899 --> 01:55:59.289
when people were vandalizing Teslas. Yeah. The

01:55:59.289 --> 01:56:01.329
most unhinged. There was an organized campaign

01:56:01.329 --> 01:56:05.470
to literally burn down Teslas, and one of our

01:56:05.470 --> 01:56:07.789
dealerships got shot up with a gun. They fired

01:56:07.789 --> 01:56:10.430
bullets in a Tesla dealership. They were burning

01:56:10.430 --> 01:56:18.289
down cars. It was crazy. But the bumper sticker

01:56:18.289 --> 01:56:21.130
should read, there should be an addendum to the

01:56:21.130 --> 01:56:22.710
bumper sticker. It's like, I bought this car

01:56:22.710 --> 01:56:27.010
before Elon turned crazy. Actually, now I realize

01:56:27.010 --> 01:56:32.239
he's not crazy. And I've seen the light. That'll

01:56:32.239 --> 01:56:35.340
take some time. That'll take some time. People

01:56:35.340 --> 01:56:36.880
don't want to admit that they've been tricked.

01:56:37.300 --> 01:56:39.439
Yeah. I mean, there's that old saying where it's

01:56:39.439 --> 01:56:41.560
like it's really easy to fool somebody, but it's

01:56:41.560 --> 01:56:43.899
almost impossible to convince someone that they

01:56:43.899 --> 01:56:47.000
were fooled. Yeah. It's much easier to fool them

01:56:47.000 --> 01:56:49.020
than to convince them they've been fooled. People

01:56:49.020 --> 01:56:52.619
cling to their ideas. Yes. Especially if they've

01:56:52.619 --> 01:56:55.300
like publicly stated these things. They get very

01:56:55.300 --> 01:56:58.479
embarrassed of being foolish. Yeah, people –

01:56:58.479 --> 01:57:02.180
most of the time they double down. And they find

01:57:02.180 --> 01:57:05.779
echo chambers. Yeah, yeah. But there's – the

01:57:05.779 --> 01:57:09.739
thing is that – and I've seen more and more people

01:57:09.739 --> 01:57:14.159
who were convinced of the sort of woke ideology

01:57:14.159 --> 01:57:19.359
see the light. Yeah. So not everyone, but it's

01:57:19.359 --> 01:57:23.279
more and more are seeing the light. And it tends

01:57:23.279 --> 01:57:25.060
to happen like when something happens that really

01:57:25.060 --> 01:57:29.359
directly affects you. Right. There was a friend

01:57:29.359 --> 01:57:33.479
of mine who was living in the San Francisco Bay

01:57:33.479 --> 01:57:39.960
Area and they tried to trans his daughter to

01:57:39.960 --> 01:57:43.920
the point where the school sent the police to

01:57:43.920 --> 01:57:46.399
his house to take his daughter away from him.

01:57:48.260 --> 01:57:51.420
Now, that's going to radicalize you. Well, that's

01:57:51.420 --> 01:57:53.279
going to shake you out of your blue structure.

01:57:55.610 --> 01:57:58.630
So it was an activist at the school that was

01:57:58.630 --> 01:58:00.729
trying to do this? Yeah, the school and the state

01:58:00.729 --> 01:58:03.829
of California conspired to turn his daughter

01:58:03.829 --> 01:58:08.789
against him and make her take life -altering

01:58:08.789 --> 01:58:14.289
drugs that would have sterilized her and irreversible.

01:58:14.529 --> 01:58:17.890
And how old was she? I think 14, something like

01:58:17.890 --> 01:58:22.710
that. He managed to talk the police out of taking

01:58:22.710 --> 01:58:25.859
his daughter away from him that day. And that

01:58:25.859 --> 01:58:32.319
night he got on a plane to Texas. Wow. And a

01:58:32.319 --> 01:58:38.479
year after just being in a school in like greater

01:58:38.479 --> 01:58:43.659
Austin area, she went back to normal. Meaning

01:58:43.659 --> 01:58:48.180
like it wasn't real. Right. Well, people are

01:58:48.180 --> 01:58:50.859
being much more open to that now. I mean Wall

01:58:50.859 --> 01:58:53.939
Street Journal yesterday had that opinion piece.

01:58:54.539 --> 01:58:57.680
that this whole trans thing, there's a lot of

01:58:57.680 --> 01:58:59.680
evidence, is a social contagion. Absolutely.

01:58:59.880 --> 01:59:02.579
And Colin Wright wrote that, and then he's getting

01:59:02.579 --> 01:59:04.460
death threats now, of course, and on Blue Sky,

01:59:04.640 --> 01:59:06.520
there's people talking about exterminating him,

01:59:06.640 --> 01:59:08.500
which is one thing that you are allowed to say

01:59:08.500 --> 01:59:11.720
on Blue Sky, apparently. You're allowed to say

01:59:11.720 --> 01:59:14.859
horrible things about people who say... possibly

01:59:14.859 --> 01:59:18.479
truthful things about this whole social contagion.

01:59:18.500 --> 01:59:21.039
Cause that's what, when you get nine kids that

01:59:21.039 --> 01:59:22.899
are in a friend group and they all decide to

01:59:22.899 --> 01:59:25.579
turn trans together, something's wrong. That's

01:59:25.579 --> 01:59:30.439
not statistically feasible. You can convince

01:59:30.439 --> 01:59:32.420
kids to do anything. You can convince kids to

01:59:32.420 --> 01:59:34.979
be a suicide bomber. Right. Which is why they

01:59:34.979 --> 01:59:38.020
do, in some countries, why they choose children

01:59:38.020 --> 01:59:41.119
to do that. Yes. You can train kids to be suicide

01:59:41.119 --> 01:59:42.680
bombers. And if you can train kids to be suicide

01:59:42.680 --> 01:59:45.319
bombers, you can convince them of anything. Yeah,

01:59:45.359 --> 01:59:47.500
especially with enough positive enforcement and

01:59:47.500 --> 01:59:51.199
cultural enforcement. And the idea that that's

01:59:51.199 --> 01:59:56.399
not the case. Kids are malleable. The minds of

01:59:56.399 --> 01:59:58.439
youth are easily corrupted. You're also seeing

01:59:58.439 --> 02:00:00.680
a lot of pushback from gay and lesbian people

02:00:00.680 --> 02:00:02.640
that are saying like, hey, if someone did this

02:00:02.640 --> 02:00:05.520
to me. So stop including me. Yeah, exactly. The

02:00:05.520 --> 02:00:08.140
LGBT, you know, it's like, wait a second. Why

02:00:08.140 --> 02:00:10.140
are we being included all the time in this situation?

02:00:10.359 --> 02:00:14.289
Exactly. Exactly. Especially when. My friend

02:00:14.289 --> 02:00:16.869
Tim Dillons talked about this. It's really homophobic

02:00:16.869 --> 02:00:19.850
because you're taking these gay kids and you're

02:00:19.850 --> 02:00:22.609
telling them, hey, you're not gay. You're actually

02:00:22.609 --> 02:00:26.789
a girl. Go make it so that you can never have

02:00:26.789 --> 02:00:30.850
an orgasm again and you'll be happy. It's fucking

02:00:30.850 --> 02:00:33.250
crazy. Permanent mutilation, permanent castration

02:00:33.250 --> 02:00:39.989
of kids. I think we should look at anyone who

02:00:39.989 --> 02:00:43.270
permanently castrates a kid as like, Right up

02:00:43.270 --> 02:00:46.289
there with Yosef Mengele. Yeah. I mean, they're

02:00:46.289 --> 02:00:51.350
mutilating children. Yeah. Yeah. And it's thought

02:00:51.350 --> 02:00:55.149
of as being kind. And would you rather have a

02:00:55.149 --> 02:00:58.649
live daughter or a dead son? That's the line

02:00:58.649 --> 02:01:01.109
they use. Yeah. Which is not supported by any

02:01:01.109 --> 02:01:03.489
data. No. It's all bullshit. In fact, the probability

02:01:03.489 --> 02:01:05.930
of suicide increases. Right. This is important

02:01:05.930 --> 02:01:08.149
maybe for the audience to know. The probability

02:01:08.149 --> 02:01:11.569
of suicide. increases if you trans a kid, not

02:01:11.569 --> 02:01:16.130
decreases. By some accounts, it triples. So that

02:01:16.130 --> 02:01:20.670
is an evil lie. And it's a lie that is supposedly

02:01:20.670 --> 02:01:23.670
compassionate. Imagine you've twisted reality

02:01:23.670 --> 02:01:28.789
to the point where confusing a child that's not

02:01:28.789 --> 02:01:30.710
even legally allowed to get a fucking tattoo.

02:01:31.239 --> 02:01:33.079
Yeah. Right? Because you think that you could

02:01:33.079 --> 02:01:34.939
make a mistake with a tattoo. Exactly. A totally

02:01:34.939 --> 02:01:37.460
removable thing. Right. If I wanted to tomorrow,

02:01:37.659 --> 02:01:39.539
I could go to a doctor and they could laser off

02:01:39.539 --> 02:01:42.659
every tattoo that I have on me. Right. Okay.

02:01:42.699 --> 02:01:45.600
No harm, no foul. Yeah. You get sterilized. Like,

02:01:45.619 --> 02:01:48.779
that's it forever. Forever. Yes. They'll castrate

02:01:48.779 --> 02:01:51.380
you. You no longer have testicles. Yes. That's

02:01:51.380 --> 02:01:53.460
not coming back. You have a hole where your penis

02:01:53.460 --> 02:01:55.920
used to be. Yes. And this is compassionate. And

02:01:55.920 --> 02:01:57.180
this is preventing you from - Actually, a lot

02:01:57.180 --> 02:02:02.090
of kids die. with these sex change operations.

02:02:02.609 --> 02:02:04.890
They die, the number of deaths on the operating

02:02:04.890 --> 02:02:07.550
table, people don't hear about those. A lot of

02:02:07.550 --> 02:02:12.010
kids, because it's, we don't really actually

02:02:12.010 --> 02:02:14.609
have the technology to make this work. So a bunch

02:02:14.609 --> 02:02:16.109
of the times the kids just die in the sex change

02:02:16.109 --> 02:02:20.689
operations. Jesus Christ. Yeah, it's demented,

02:02:20.729 --> 02:02:23.310
which it should be viewed as like, you know,

02:02:23.329 --> 02:02:29.050
like evil Nazi. Doctor stuff, basically. Like

02:02:29.050 --> 02:02:31.770
real Nazi, not the bullshit fake Nazi stuff.

02:02:31.829 --> 02:02:33.930
Crazy that even pushing back against something

02:02:33.930 --> 02:02:37.569
that seems like fundamentally, logically, very

02:02:37.569 --> 02:02:40.810
easy to argue, the old Twitter would ban you

02:02:40.810 --> 02:02:47.989
forever. Yes. That's how crazy a social contagion

02:02:47.989 --> 02:02:50.970
can get, when it completely defies logic, victimizes

02:02:50.970 --> 02:02:53.550
children, does something that makes no sense,

02:02:53.670 --> 02:02:56.649
not supported by data, all connected to this

02:02:56.649 --> 02:02:59.710
ideology that trans is good, we've got to save

02:02:59.710 --> 02:03:03.010
trans kids, protect trans kids. Yeah, and what

02:03:03.010 --> 02:03:05.670
I want to emphasize is that the save trans kids

02:03:05.670 --> 02:03:11.529
thing is a lie. If you castrate kids and trans

02:03:11.529 --> 02:03:14.960
them, the probability of suicide... it does not

02:03:14.960 --> 02:03:20.399
decrease. It substantially increases. The studies

02:03:20.399 --> 02:03:22.699
have done that I've seen the risk of suicide

02:03:22.699 --> 02:03:28.460
triples if you trans kids. So you're not saving

02:03:28.460 --> 02:03:30.560
them, you're killing them. Moreover, during the

02:03:30.560 --> 02:03:33.960
sex change operation, there are many deaths that

02:03:33.960 --> 02:03:38.640
occur during the sex change operation. Jesus

02:03:38.640 --> 02:03:42.960
Christ. It's just crazy that this is a real issue.

02:03:43.340 --> 02:03:46.979
Yeah. It's a nightmare fever dream, and people

02:03:46.979 --> 02:03:51.399
are finally waking up from it. Now, when you

02:03:51.399 --> 02:03:55.000
started getting into the Doge stuff and started

02:03:55.000 --> 02:03:58.939
finding how much money is being shuffled around

02:03:58.939 --> 02:04:01.819
and moved around to NGOs and how much money is

02:04:01.819 --> 02:04:06.899
involved and just totally untraceable funds,

02:04:07.100 --> 02:04:11.220
this is, again, something like two years plus

02:04:11.220 --> 02:04:15.670
ago. You weren't aware of it all? No, I was aware

02:04:15.670 --> 02:04:19.130
of it. I just didn't realize how big it was.

02:04:20.029 --> 02:04:23.069
Just how much waste and fraud there is in the

02:04:23.069 --> 02:04:26.890
government is truly vast. In fact, the government

02:04:26.890 --> 02:04:33.609
didn't even know, nor did they care. That's crazy.

02:04:33.869 --> 02:04:39.090
Yeah. I mean, just like some of the very basic

02:04:39.090 --> 02:04:42.020
stuff that Doge did. will have lasting effects.

02:04:42.979 --> 02:04:44.840
And some of these things, they're so elementary,

02:04:45.020 --> 02:04:51.079
you can't believe it. So the Doge team got most

02:04:51.079 --> 02:04:59.420
of the main payments computers to require the

02:04:59.420 --> 02:05:01.779
congressional appropriation code. So when a payment

02:05:01.779 --> 02:05:03.659
is made, you have to actually enter the congressional

02:05:03.659 --> 02:05:06.340
appropriation code. That used to be optional

02:05:06.340 --> 02:05:10.210
and often would be just left blank. So the money

02:05:10.210 --> 02:05:11.869
would just go out, but it wasn't even tied to

02:05:11.869 --> 02:05:15.449
a congressional appropriation. Then the Doge

02:05:15.449 --> 02:05:18.369
team also made the comment field for the payment

02:05:18.369 --> 02:05:20.829
mandatory. So you have to say something. We're

02:05:20.829 --> 02:05:23.529
not saying that what is said, like you can say

02:05:23.529 --> 02:05:25.909
anything. Your cat could run across the keyboard.

02:05:26.329 --> 02:05:29.369
You could go QWERTY ASDF. But you have to say

02:05:29.369 --> 02:05:31.590
something above nothing. Because what we found

02:05:31.590 --> 02:05:33.930
was that there were tens of billions, maybe hundreds

02:05:33.930 --> 02:05:35.970
of billions of dollars that were zombie payments.

02:05:36.800 --> 02:05:41.579
So somebody had approved a payment, somebody

02:05:41.579 --> 02:05:45.020
in the government approved a payment, some recurring

02:05:45.020 --> 02:05:49.300
payment, and they retired or died or changed

02:05:49.300 --> 02:05:54.560
jobs, and no one turned the money off. So the

02:05:54.560 --> 02:05:57.399
money would just keep going out. And it's a pretty

02:05:57.399 --> 02:06:02.479
rare - Go where? To a company or an individual.

02:06:03.160 --> 02:06:05.180
And it's a pretty rare company or individual

02:06:05.180 --> 02:06:07.220
who will complain that they're getting money

02:06:07.220 --> 02:06:09.779
that they should not get. And a bunch of the

02:06:09.779 --> 02:06:12.039
money was just going to the – were transfer payments

02:06:12.039 --> 02:06:14.260
to the states. So these are automatic payments.

02:06:14.539 --> 02:06:15.760
Yeah, just automatic payments. No accounting

02:06:15.760 --> 02:06:17.800
for them at all. Imagine like there's an automatic

02:06:17.800 --> 02:06:21.600
debit of your credit card and you never look

02:06:21.600 --> 02:06:25.680
at the statement. Right. So it's just money going

02:06:25.680 --> 02:06:28.399
out. That's why I call them zombie payments.

02:06:30.119 --> 02:06:33.060
There might have been legitimate at one point,

02:06:33.119 --> 02:06:35.680
but the person who approved that recurring payment

02:06:35.680 --> 02:06:39.319
changed jobs, died, retired, or whatever, and

02:06:39.319 --> 02:06:43.880
no one ever turned the money off. And my guess

02:06:43.880 --> 02:06:48.239
is that's probably at least $100 billion a year,

02:06:48.500 --> 02:06:59.350
maybe $200. And going where? I mean, there are

02:06:59.350 --> 02:07:04.029
millions of these payments. Millions? Yes, yes.

02:07:04.289 --> 02:07:06.829
Millions of payments that are going to who knows

02:07:06.829 --> 02:07:10.149
where? Yes. In a bunch of cases, there are fraud

02:07:10.149 --> 02:07:12.989
rings that operate, professional fraud rings

02:07:12.989 --> 02:07:16.270
that operate to exploit the system. They figure

02:07:16.270 --> 02:07:19.050
out some security hole in the system and they

02:07:19.050 --> 02:07:26.029
just do professional fraud. And that's where

02:07:26.029 --> 02:07:28.689
we found, for example, people who were... 300

02:07:28.689 --> 02:07:30.789
years old in the Social Security Administration

02:07:30.789 --> 02:07:36.369
database. Now, I thought that this was a mistake

02:07:36.369 --> 02:07:39.810
of not registering their deaths, that people

02:07:39.810 --> 02:07:43.729
were born a long time ago, and it had defaulted

02:07:43.729 --> 02:07:46.949
to a certain number, and so that after time,

02:07:47.229 --> 02:07:49.590
those people were still in the system. It was

02:07:49.590 --> 02:07:52.869
just an error of the way the accounting was done.

02:07:53.550 --> 02:07:59.390
Yeah. That's not true. So there's – or at least

02:07:59.390 --> 02:08:04.689
one of two things must be true. There's a typo

02:08:04.689 --> 02:08:08.250
or some mistake in the computer or it's fraudulent.

02:08:08.689 --> 02:08:11.109
But we don't have any 300 -year -old vampires

02:08:11.109 --> 02:08:15.989
living in America. Allegedly. Allegedly. And

02:08:15.989 --> 02:08:19.029
we don't have people in some cases who are receiving

02:08:19.029 --> 02:08:23.489
payments who are born in the future. Born in

02:08:23.489 --> 02:08:25.609
the future? Born in the future. Really? Yes.

02:08:26.289 --> 02:08:30.210
The people receiving payments whose birth date

02:08:30.210 --> 02:08:35.869
was like 2100 and something. Like next century.

02:08:36.090 --> 02:08:38.189
Is there a task force? We know that one of two

02:08:38.189 --> 02:08:42.350
things must be true. That either there's a mistake

02:08:42.350 --> 02:08:46.569
in the computer or it's fraud. But if you have

02:08:46.569 --> 02:08:48.590
someone's birth date that's either in the future

02:08:48.590 --> 02:08:51.279
or... where they are older than the oldest living

02:08:51.279 --> 02:08:52.760
American because the oldest living American is

02:08:52.760 --> 02:08:55.159
114 years old. So if they're more than 114 years

02:08:55.159 --> 02:08:58.840
old, there is either a mistake and someone should

02:08:58.840 --> 02:09:01.960
call them and say, I think we have your birthday

02:09:01.960 --> 02:09:06.659
wrong because it says you were born in 1786.

02:09:08.380 --> 02:09:15.060
And that was before there was really an America.

02:09:15.300 --> 02:09:20.220
It was like... You know, that's kind of early.

02:09:20.460 --> 02:09:22.560
You know, we're still fighting England type of

02:09:22.560 --> 02:09:28.680
thing. You know, it's like this person either

02:09:28.680 --> 02:09:30.199
needs to be in the Guinness Book of World Records

02:09:30.199 --> 02:09:33.520
or they're not alive. But still, at the end of

02:09:33.520 --> 02:09:36.119
the day, money is going towards that account

02:09:36.119 --> 02:09:38.359
that's connected to this person that is either

02:09:38.359 --> 02:09:42.760
non -existent or dead. Yeah, so there was like,

02:09:42.840 --> 02:09:46.439
I think, something like, I don't know, 20 million.

02:09:48.160 --> 02:09:50.479
people in the Social Security Administration

02:09:50.479 --> 02:09:54.060
database that could not possibly be alive. Based

02:09:54.060 --> 02:09:57.579
on their birth date, they could not possibly

02:09:57.579 --> 02:09:59.800
be alive. And then to be clear, 20 million people

02:09:59.800 --> 02:10:06.319
that were receiving funds? Most of them were

02:10:06.319 --> 02:10:08.539
not receiving funds. Some of them were receiving

02:10:08.539 --> 02:10:10.779
funds. Most were not receiving funds. But so

02:10:10.779 --> 02:10:12.659
let me tell you how the scam works. It's a bank

02:10:12.659 --> 02:10:16.149
shot. So, the Social Security Administration

02:10:16.149 --> 02:10:18.850
database is used as the source of truth by all

02:10:18.850 --> 02:10:21.189
the other databases that the government uses.

02:10:21.569 --> 02:10:23.710
So, even if they stop the payments on the Social

02:10:23.710 --> 02:10:26.430
Security Administration database, like unemployment

02:10:26.430 --> 02:10:28.890
insurance, small business administration, student

02:10:28.890 --> 02:10:32.170
loans, all check the Social Security Administration

02:10:32.170 --> 02:10:36.050
database to say, is this a legitimate, alive

02:10:36.050 --> 02:10:40.270
person? And the social security database will

02:10:40.270 --> 02:10:42.270
say, yes, this person is still alive, even though

02:10:42.270 --> 02:10:44.970
they're 200 years old. But forget to mention

02:10:44.970 --> 02:10:46.609
that they're 200 years old. It just says, it

02:10:46.609 --> 02:10:51.470
just returns, when the computer is queries, it

02:10:51.470 --> 02:10:54.550
says, yes, this person is alive. And so then

02:10:54.550 --> 02:10:56.670
they're able to exploit the entire rest of the

02:10:56.670 --> 02:10:59.760
government ecosystem. So fake – then you get

02:10:59.760 --> 02:11:01.460
fake student loans. Then you get fake unemployment

02:11:01.460 --> 02:11:04.100
insurance. Then you get fake medical payments.

02:11:04.380 --> 02:11:06.640
And this doesn't have to be tied to an individual

02:11:06.640 --> 02:11:08.880
where there's an address where you can check

02:11:08.880 --> 02:11:13.579
on this person? No. If you just did any check

02:11:13.579 --> 02:11:20.359
at all, you would stop this. So that's – And

02:11:20.359 --> 02:11:22.000
how much money do you think is being – Any check,

02:11:22.140 --> 02:11:25.420
like anything at all that would stop the fraud,

02:11:25.460 --> 02:11:30.109
like any effort at all. Yeah. So there's multiple

02:11:30.109 --> 02:11:32.789
layers. The Social Security number verifies that

02:11:32.789 --> 02:11:34.689
this is a real person. Right. And then the other

02:11:34.689 --> 02:11:36.029
systems check up on – They can exploit every

02:11:36.029 --> 02:11:38.550
other government payment and every other government

02:11:38.550 --> 02:11:41.590
payment system. Small business administration,

02:11:42.010 --> 02:11:47.670
student loans, Medicaid, Medicare, every other

02:11:47.670 --> 02:11:48.989
government payment, of which there are many.

02:11:49.069 --> 02:11:50.670
There are actually hundreds of government payment

02:11:50.670 --> 02:11:54.670
systems. It can all be exploited so long as Social

02:11:54.670 --> 02:11:57.590
Security database says this person is alive.

02:11:59.370 --> 02:12:01.250
That's the nature of the scam. It's a bank shot.

02:12:02.130 --> 02:12:04.770
So then the rebuttal from the Dems is like, oh,

02:12:04.789 --> 02:12:06.409
well, the vast majority of the people who are

02:12:06.409 --> 02:12:07.810
marked as alive in the Social Security Administration

02:12:07.810 --> 02:12:09.430
weren't receiving Social Security Administration

02:12:09.430 --> 02:12:12.010
payments. That is true. What they forgot to mention

02:12:12.010 --> 02:12:13.850
is they're getting fraudulent payments from every

02:12:13.850 --> 02:12:18.250
other government program. And that's why the

02:12:18.250 --> 02:12:21.949
Dems were so opposed to turning off, to declaring

02:12:21.949 --> 02:12:24.300
someone dead who was dead. Because it would stop

02:12:24.300 --> 02:12:26.739
the entire other – all the other fraud from happening.

02:12:27.060 --> 02:12:29.680
And so – but all this – is it trackable? Like

02:12:29.680 --> 02:12:32.300
all this other fraud, if they wanted to, they

02:12:32.300 --> 02:12:33.939
could chase it all down. Yeah, it's not even

02:12:33.939 --> 02:12:38.060
hard. And yet they're opposing chasing it all

02:12:38.060 --> 02:12:40.180
down. They're opposing chasing it all down because

02:12:40.180 --> 02:12:43.439
it turns off the money magnet for the illegals.

02:12:45.239 --> 02:12:51.899
Wow. Because it's very logical to – like I'm

02:12:51.899 --> 02:12:53.760
saying the most – common sense things possible.

02:12:54.020 --> 02:12:58.699
If someone's got a birthday in Social Security

02:12:58.699 --> 02:13:01.500
that is an impossible birthday, meaning they

02:13:01.500 --> 02:13:04.800
are older than the oldest living American or

02:13:04.800 --> 02:13:07.979
born in the future, then you should call them

02:13:07.979 --> 02:13:11.180
and say, excuse me, we seem to have your birthday

02:13:11.180 --> 02:13:14.979
wrong because it says that you're 200 years old.

02:13:15.960 --> 02:13:19.739
That's all you need to do. And then you would

02:13:19.739 --> 02:13:21.399
remove them from the Social Security database

02:13:21.399 --> 02:13:23.460
and make that number no longer available for

02:13:23.460 --> 02:13:25.039
all those other government payments. Exactly.

02:13:25.739 --> 02:13:31.260
Wow. And how much money are we talking? It's

02:13:31.260 --> 02:13:35.220
hundreds of billions of dollars. And this is

02:13:35.220 --> 02:13:37.359
all traceable. Like, you could hunt all this

02:13:37.359 --> 02:13:39.000
down. Like, you don't need to be Sherlock Holmes

02:13:39.000 --> 02:13:42.340
here, is what I'm saying. We don't need to call

02:13:42.340 --> 02:13:44.539
Sherlock Holmes for this one. You just need to

02:13:44.539 --> 02:13:49.100
call the person. And say, excuse me, we must

02:13:49.100 --> 02:13:54.039
have your birthday wrong because it says you're

02:13:54.039 --> 02:13:57.180
200 years old or were born in the future. So

02:13:57.180 --> 02:14:00.380
could you tell us what your birthday is? That's

02:14:00.380 --> 02:14:03.060
what we need to do. It's that simple. But all

02:14:03.060 --> 02:14:05.699
these other government payments that are available

02:14:05.699 --> 02:14:07.859
that are connected to this Social Security number,

02:14:08.159 --> 02:14:12.439
it seems like if you just chased that all down,

02:14:12.659 --> 02:14:16.500
you would find the widespread fraud. You would

02:14:16.500 --> 02:14:19.539
find where it's going. Yes. But the root of the

02:14:19.539 --> 02:14:21.680
problem is the Social Security Administration

02:14:21.680 --> 02:14:25.819
database because the Social Security number in

02:14:25.819 --> 02:14:27.920
the United States is used as a de facto national

02:14:27.920 --> 02:14:34.579
ID number. That's why the bank always asks for

02:14:34.579 --> 02:14:37.979
your Social Security. Any financial institution

02:14:37.979 --> 02:14:44.799
will ask for your Social Security number. It

02:14:44.799 --> 02:14:47.439
sounds so insane that this isn't chased down.

02:14:47.840 --> 02:14:52.840
Yeah, I agree. In and of itself, that's such

02:14:52.840 --> 02:15:01.539
mishandling. Yes. It's mind -blowing. So, yeah,

02:15:01.619 --> 02:15:04.060
it's crazy. Well, you were very reluctant last

02:15:04.060 --> 02:15:06.300
time you were here to talk about the extent of

02:15:06.300 --> 02:15:10.140
some of the fraud. Because you're like... They

02:15:10.140 --> 02:15:13.239
could kill me because this is kind of – Oh, yeah.

02:15:13.439 --> 02:15:17.600
What I'm saying is that like if you create –

02:15:17.600 --> 02:15:27.479
like to be pragmatic and realistic. you actually

02:15:27.479 --> 02:15:30.100
can't manage to zero fraud. You can manage to

02:15:30.100 --> 02:15:32.380
low fraud number, but not to zero fraud. If you

02:15:32.380 --> 02:15:36.060
manage to zero fraud, you're going to push so

02:15:36.060 --> 02:15:38.079
many people over the edge who are receiving fraudulent

02:15:38.079 --> 02:15:41.239
payments that the number of inbound homicidal

02:15:41.239 --> 02:15:46.180
maniacs will be really hard to overcome. So I'm

02:15:46.180 --> 02:15:48.060
actually taking, I think, quite a reasonable

02:15:48.060 --> 02:15:50.239
position, which is that we should simply reduce

02:15:50.239 --> 02:15:53.680
the amount of fraud, which I think is not an

02:15:53.680 --> 02:15:58.739
extremist position. And we should aspire to have

02:15:58.739 --> 02:16:02.920
less fraud over time. Not that we should be ultra

02:16:02.920 --> 02:16:06.220
draconian and eliminate every last scrap of fraud,

02:16:06.460 --> 02:16:10.840
which I guess would be nice to have. But we don't

02:16:10.840 --> 02:16:12.779
even need to go that extreme. I'm saying we should

02:16:12.779 --> 02:16:15.460
just stop the blatant, large -scale, super obvious

02:16:15.460 --> 02:16:19.020
fraud. I think that's a reasonable position.

02:16:19.140 --> 02:16:22.539
It's a very reasonable position. What was the

02:16:22.539 --> 02:16:26.000
most shocking pushback that you got when you

02:16:26.000 --> 02:16:29.180
started implementing Doge, when you started investigating

02:16:29.180 --> 02:16:35.700
into where money was going? Well, I guess this

02:16:35.700 --> 02:16:40.040
is – I should have anticipated this. But while

02:16:40.040 --> 02:16:44.659
most of the fraudulent government payments to

02:16:44.659 --> 02:16:47.700
– especially to the NGOs go to the Democrats,

02:16:47.860 --> 02:16:49.780
most of it, like, I don't know, for argument's

02:16:49.780 --> 02:16:56.040
sake, let's say 80%. maybe 90%, 10 % to 20 %

02:16:56.040 --> 02:16:59.860
of it does go to Republicans. And so when we

02:16:59.860 --> 02:17:03.440
turn off funding to a fraudulent NGO, we'd get

02:17:03.440 --> 02:17:06.260
complaints from whatever, the 10 % of Republicans

02:17:06.260 --> 02:17:10.379
who are receiving the money. And they would very

02:17:10.379 --> 02:17:18.059
loudly complain. Because the honest answer is

02:17:18.059 --> 02:17:21.389
the Republicans are partly... They're receiving

02:17:21.389 --> 02:17:23.790
some of the fraud, too. They're getting a big.

02:17:25.569 --> 02:17:30.930
Jesus. Yeah. I want to be clear. It's not like

02:17:30.930 --> 02:17:34.770
the Republican Party is some ultra pure paragon

02:17:34.770 --> 02:17:38.270
of virtue. No. Okay. Well, you see that with

02:17:38.270 --> 02:17:40.629
the congressional insider training. It's across

02:17:40.629 --> 02:17:44.010
the board. Yeah. It's left and right. I mean,

02:17:44.030 --> 02:17:46.729
the whole uniparty criticism has some validity

02:17:46.729 --> 02:17:53.229
to it. So – and it's – like if you turn off fraudulent

02:17:53.229 --> 02:17:55.690
payments, it's not like – like I said, it's not

02:17:55.690 --> 02:17:57.229
like 100 percent of those payments were going

02:17:57.229 --> 02:18:00.409
to Democrats. A small percentage were also going

02:18:00.409 --> 02:18:02.250
to Republicans. Those Republicans complained

02:18:02.250 --> 02:18:12.829
very loudly. And that's – so there was a lot

02:18:12.829 --> 02:18:15.610
of pushback on the Republican side when we started

02:18:15.610 --> 02:18:19.379
cutting some of these funds. And I'll try telling

02:18:19.379 --> 02:18:21.799
them, like, well, you know, 90 % of the money

02:18:21.799 --> 02:18:25.799
is going to your opponents. But they still, even

02:18:25.799 --> 02:18:27.059
if they're getting 10 % of the money. They want

02:18:27.059 --> 02:18:28.959
their peace. Yeah, they want their peace. And

02:18:28.959 --> 02:18:30.379
they've been getting that peace for a long time.

02:18:30.520 --> 02:18:36.780
Yes. This is why, like, you know, politics is

02:18:36.780 --> 02:18:39.729
like. It's dirty business. Yeah, because that's

02:18:39.729 --> 02:18:43.930
like saying if you like sausages and respect

02:18:43.930 --> 02:18:46.149
the law, do not watch either of them being made.

02:18:48.790 --> 02:18:55.930
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Well, that's not even

02:18:55.930 --> 02:18:57.610
true because I've made sausage before. Yeah,

02:18:57.610 --> 02:19:00.569
yeah. It's not that big a deal. You add fat and

02:19:00.569 --> 02:19:03.969
spices and casing, run it through the machine.

02:19:04.049 --> 02:19:08.770
Not that big a deal. Yeah. But, yeah, I mean

02:19:08.770 --> 02:19:13.389
I think the stuff I'm saying here is not – like

02:19:13.389 --> 02:19:15.030
if you stand back and think about it for a second,

02:19:15.090 --> 02:19:20.209
like, oh, yeah, that makes sense. It's not like

02:19:20.209 --> 02:19:27.170
one political party is going to be pure devil

02:19:27.170 --> 02:19:32.090
or pure angel. I think there's much more corruption

02:19:32.090 --> 02:19:34.989
on the Democrat side, but there's not – There's

02:19:34.989 --> 02:19:36.729
still some corruption on the Republican side.

02:19:36.809 --> 02:19:38.969
How did it happen that the majority of the corruption

02:19:38.969 --> 02:19:42.709
wound up being on the Democrat side? Well, because

02:19:42.709 --> 02:19:46.370
the transfer payments, especially to illegals,

02:19:46.389 --> 02:19:49.629
are very much on the Democrat side. So that's

02:19:49.629 --> 02:19:51.329
the root of it all is the illegal situation.

02:19:51.930 --> 02:20:00.510
Yes. Or a focal point. Yes. It would also be

02:20:00.510 --> 02:20:03.799
accurate to say that while... Obviously, not

02:20:03.799 --> 02:20:06.020
everyone who is a Democrat is a criminal. Almost

02:20:06.020 --> 02:20:11.920
everyone who is a criminal is a Democrat. Because

02:20:11.920 --> 02:20:14.780
the Democrats are the soft -run crime party.

02:20:15.239 --> 02:20:17.520
So if you're a criminal, who are you going to

02:20:17.520 --> 02:20:22.120
vote for? Right. The soft -run crime party. Did

02:20:22.120 --> 02:20:24.540
you think you were going to be able to get more

02:20:24.540 --> 02:20:30.399
done than you were? We did get a lot done. And

02:20:30.399 --> 02:20:35.819
Doge is still happening, by the way. Doge is

02:20:35.819 --> 02:20:40.920
still underway. They're still wasting forward

02:20:40.920 --> 02:20:43.680
being cut by the Doge team. So it hasn't stopped.

02:20:45.100 --> 02:20:49.239
It's less publicized. It's less publicized. And

02:20:49.239 --> 02:20:51.799
they don't have like a clear person to attack

02:20:51.799 --> 02:20:53.940
anymore. Well, it seems like once you step away.

02:20:54.159 --> 02:20:56.979
They're basically, they apply immense pressure.

02:20:57.450 --> 02:20:59.430
to me to, just to stop it. So then I'm like,

02:20:59.469 --> 02:21:02.670
the best thing for me is to just, you know, cut

02:21:02.670 --> 02:21:04.709
out of this. And in any case, as a special government

02:21:04.709 --> 02:21:06.649
employee, I could only be there for like 120

02:21:06.649 --> 02:21:08.489
days anyway, something like that. So whatever

02:21:08.489 --> 02:21:12.110
the law says. So I could, I was necessarily could

02:21:12.110 --> 02:21:14.329
only be there for four months as a special government

02:21:14.329 --> 02:21:20.629
employee. So, um, um, but, uh, yeah, I mean,

02:21:20.629 --> 02:21:22.909
I mean, you turn off the money spigot to, to

02:21:22.909 --> 02:21:25.209
fraudsters, they get very upset to say the least.

02:21:25.969 --> 02:21:31.889
Um, And my death threat level went ballistic.

02:21:32.229 --> 02:21:39.649
It was like a rocket going to orbit. Yeah. But

02:21:39.649 --> 02:21:42.889
now that I'm not in D .C., I guess they don't

02:21:42.889 --> 02:21:47.049
really have a person to attack anymore. Well,

02:21:47.069 --> 02:21:49.489
the rhetoric about you has calmed down significantly.

02:21:50.610 --> 02:21:53.190
Yeah. It was disturbing. It was disturbing to

02:21:53.190 --> 02:21:55.700
watch. It was like, this is crazy. And to watch

02:21:55.700 --> 02:21:57.799
these politicians engage in it and all these

02:21:57.799 --> 02:22:00.920
people just framing you as this monster. I was

02:22:00.920 --> 02:22:03.079
like, this is so weird. This is what happens

02:22:03.079 --> 02:22:06.100
when you uncover fraud. Yes. The whole machine

02:22:06.100 --> 02:22:08.459
turns on you. And if it wasn't for a person like

02:22:08.459 --> 02:22:11.219
you who owns a platform and has an enormous amount

02:22:11.219 --> 02:22:14.860
of money, it could have destroyed you. Yeah.

02:22:14.959 --> 02:22:17.020
And that was the goal. The goal was to destroy

02:22:17.020 --> 02:22:18.899
me, absolutely. Because you were getting in the

02:22:18.899 --> 02:22:23.860
way of this amazing graft. This gigantic fraud

02:22:23.860 --> 02:22:27.840
machine. Yeah. Like I said, I think Doge Team

02:22:27.840 --> 02:22:35.020
has done a lot of good work. In terms of fraud

02:22:35.020 --> 02:22:38.180
and waste prevented, my guess is it's probably

02:22:38.180 --> 02:22:40.000
on the order of $200 or $300 billion a year.

02:22:40.159 --> 02:22:43.360
So it's pretty good. What do you think could

02:22:43.360 --> 02:22:45.260
have been done if you just had like full reign

02:22:45.260 --> 02:22:48.120
and total cooperation? How much do you think

02:22:48.120 --> 02:22:51.639
you could have saved? I mean what level of power

02:22:51.639 --> 02:22:54.649
are we assuming here? Godlike. Oh, yeah, I could

02:22:54.649 --> 02:22:58.129
probably cut the federal budget in half and get

02:22:58.129 --> 02:23:04.510
more done. That is so crazy. It is so crazy.

02:23:04.590 --> 02:23:06.690
Yeah, get more done and federal budget in half.

02:23:06.909 --> 02:23:10.590
It's that widespread. Well, I mean, a whole bunch

02:23:10.590 --> 02:23:11.870
of government departments simply shouldn't exist,

02:23:11.989 --> 02:23:18.930
in my opinion. Like examples. Well, the Department

02:23:18.930 --> 02:23:22.129
of Education, which was created recently under

02:23:22.129 --> 02:23:28.700
Jimmy Carter, Our educational results have gone

02:23:28.700 --> 02:23:32.620
downhill ever since it was created. So if you

02:23:32.620 --> 02:23:35.020
create a department and the result of creating

02:23:35.020 --> 02:23:37.420
that department is a massive decline in educational

02:23:37.420 --> 02:23:40.180
results and it's the problem of education, you're

02:23:40.180 --> 02:23:43.059
better off not having it because literally we

02:23:43.059 --> 02:23:46.459
did better before there was one than after. When

02:23:46.459 --> 02:23:48.920
you let the states run it. Yes. Yeah. Because

02:23:48.920 --> 02:23:50.860
at least the states can compete with one another.

02:23:53.559 --> 02:23:55.000
But the problem is like you hear like counting

02:23:55.000 --> 02:23:56.540
department education. Our kids need education.

02:23:56.680 --> 02:24:00.340
Yeah, they do. But this is a new department that

02:24:00.340 --> 02:24:06.899
didn't even exist until the late 70s. And ever

02:24:06.899 --> 02:24:09.280
since that department was created, the results,

02:24:09.520 --> 02:24:14.020
education results have declined. And so why would

02:24:14.020 --> 02:24:17.139
you have an institution continue that has made

02:24:17.139 --> 02:24:21.260
education worse? It doesn't make sense. They

02:24:21.260 --> 02:24:23.219
killed it though, right? No, there's still a

02:24:23.219 --> 02:24:24.520
little bit, unfortunately. But they were trying

02:24:24.520 --> 02:24:26.760
to kill it. It has been substantially reduced.

02:24:27.280 --> 02:24:32.040
Okay. What other organizations? What other departments?

02:24:32.500 --> 02:24:36.020
Well, I mean, I'm a small government guy. So,

02:24:36.020 --> 02:24:41.059
you know, when the country was created, we just

02:24:41.059 --> 02:24:44.239
had the Department of State, Department of War,

02:24:44.440 --> 02:24:49.879
you know, and sort of the Department of Justice.

02:24:49.920 --> 02:24:52.680
We had an attorney general. and the Treasury

02:24:52.680 --> 02:24:57.420
Department. I don't know why you need more than

02:24:57.420 --> 02:25:01.979
that. So what other departments specifically

02:25:01.979 --> 02:25:03.680
do you think are just completely ineffective?

02:25:05.180 --> 02:25:07.840
Well, I mean, here it's like a question, it's

02:25:07.840 --> 02:25:09.540
a sort of philosophical question of how much

02:25:09.540 --> 02:25:12.159
government do you think there should be? Right.

02:25:12.979 --> 02:25:16.649
In my opinion, there should be... The least amount

02:25:16.649 --> 02:25:18.870
of government. I've heard the most bizarre argument

02:25:18.870 --> 02:25:22.090
against this is that you're cutting jobs and

02:25:22.090 --> 02:25:24.030
you're going to leave people jobless. But their

02:25:24.030 --> 02:25:27.510
jobs are useless. Yeah, paying people to do nothing

02:25:27.510 --> 02:25:34.969
doesn't make sense. There's a great story about

02:25:34.969 --> 02:25:39.649
Milton Friedman, who is awesome. Generally, whatever

02:25:39.649 --> 02:25:42.700
Milton Friedman said is... People should do that

02:25:42.700 --> 02:25:45.180
thing. I'm not sure if it's apocryphal or not,

02:25:45.280 --> 02:25:50.979
but someone complained to him. He observed, I

02:25:50.979 --> 02:25:55.260
think, people that were digging ditches with

02:25:55.260 --> 02:26:02.979
shovels. And he said, well, allegedly, Freeman

02:26:02.979 --> 02:26:06.819
said, well, I think you should use excavating

02:26:06.819 --> 02:26:08.940
equipment instead of shovels, and you could get

02:26:08.940 --> 02:26:12.139
it done with... far fewer people. And then someone

02:26:12.139 --> 02:26:13.860
said, but then we're going to lose a lot of jobs.

02:26:14.420 --> 02:26:16.780
Well, then Friedman said, well, in that case,

02:26:16.780 --> 02:26:24.200
why don't you have them use teaspoons? Just dig

02:26:24.200 --> 02:26:26.319
ditches with teaspoons. Think of all the jobs

02:26:26.319 --> 02:26:32.420
you'll create. It's bullshit. Basically, you

02:26:32.420 --> 02:26:35.319
just want people to work on things that are productive.

02:26:35.719 --> 02:26:38.860
You want people to work on... On building things,

02:26:39.000 --> 02:26:43.219
on building, you know, providing products and

02:26:43.219 --> 02:26:46.739
services that people find valuable, like, you

02:26:46.739 --> 02:26:50.120
know, making food, being, you know, being a farmer

02:26:50.120 --> 02:26:53.299
or a plumber or electrician or just anyone who's

02:26:53.299 --> 02:26:59.100
a builder or providing useful services. And that's

02:26:59.100 --> 02:27:02.180
what you want people to be doing, not fake government

02:27:02.180 --> 02:27:05.000
jobs that don't add any value or may subtract

02:27:05.000 --> 02:27:11.809
value. But it's also like – to illustrate the

02:27:11.809 --> 02:27:14.829
absurdity of also how is the economy measured.

02:27:15.129 --> 02:27:18.569
Like the way economists measure the economy is

02:27:18.569 --> 02:27:22.049
nonsensical because they'll measure any job no

02:27:22.049 --> 02:27:24.129
matter – even if that job is a dumb job that

02:27:24.129 --> 02:27:26.989
has no point and is even counterproductive. So

02:27:26.989 --> 02:27:29.870
like the joke is like there's two economists

02:27:29.870 --> 02:27:34.290
going on a hike in the woods. They come across

02:27:34.290 --> 02:27:38.540
a pile of shit. And one economist says to the

02:27:38.540 --> 02:27:42.139
other, I'll pay you $100 to eat that shit. The

02:27:42.139 --> 02:27:45.180
economist eats the shit, gets the $100, and they

02:27:45.180 --> 02:27:48.319
keep walking. Then they come across another pile

02:27:48.319 --> 02:27:51.340
of shit, and the other economist says, now I'll

02:27:51.340 --> 02:27:56.600
pay you $100 to eat the pile of shit. So he pays

02:27:56.600 --> 02:28:00.360
the other economist $100 to eat the pile of shit.

02:28:00.500 --> 02:28:05.639
Then they say, look, wait a second. We both just

02:28:05.639 --> 02:28:11.879
ate a pile of shit and we're no – we don't have

02:28:11.879 --> 02:28:14.959
any more extra money. Like we both – you just

02:28:14.959 --> 02:28:17.879
gave the $100 back to me and we both ate a pile

02:28:17.879 --> 02:28:20.319
of shit. This doesn't make any sense. And they

02:28:20.319 --> 02:28:22.399
said, no, no, but think of the economy because

02:28:22.399 --> 02:28:27.399
that's $200 in the economy. That basically –

02:28:27.399 --> 02:28:39.040
eating shit would count as a job. This is to

02:28:39.040 --> 02:28:43.340
illustrate the absurdity of economics. One of

02:28:43.340 --> 02:28:48.360
the things you said when you stepped away is

02:28:48.360 --> 02:28:51.920
that you're kind of done and that it's unfixable.

02:28:54.139 --> 02:28:58.840
Or under its current form, the way people are

02:28:58.840 --> 02:29:04.010
approaching it. You can make it directionally

02:29:04.010 --> 02:29:07.030
better, but ultimately you can't fully fix the

02:29:07.030 --> 02:29:16.870
system. So like it is – it would be accurate

02:29:16.870 --> 02:29:21.389
to say that even – like unless you go like super

02:29:21.389 --> 02:29:25.989
draconian like Genghis Khan level on cutting

02:29:25.989 --> 02:29:28.770
waste and fraud, which you can't really do in

02:29:28.770 --> 02:29:33.379
a democratic country. an aspirationally democratic

02:29:33.379 --> 02:29:38.280
country, then there's no way to solve the debt

02:29:38.280 --> 02:29:40.700
crisis. So we've got national debt that's just

02:29:40.700 --> 02:29:42.799
insane where the debt payments, the interest

02:29:42.799 --> 02:29:44.899
payments on the debt exceed our entire military

02:29:44.899 --> 02:29:48.620
budget. I mean, that was one of the wake -up

02:29:48.620 --> 02:29:50.139
calls for me. I was like, wait a second. The

02:29:50.139 --> 02:29:53.040
interest on national debt is bigger than the

02:29:53.040 --> 02:30:00.540
entire military budget and growing? This is crazy.

02:30:02.379 --> 02:30:10.479
So even if you implement all these savings, you're

02:30:10.479 --> 02:30:13.079
only delaying the day of reckoning for when America

02:30:13.079 --> 02:30:17.719
goes bankrupt. Unless you go full Genghis Khan,

02:30:17.879 --> 02:30:26.360
which you can't really do. So I came to the conclusion

02:30:26.360 --> 02:30:29.799
that the only way that... The only way to get

02:30:29.799 --> 02:30:33.219
us out of the debt crisis and to prevent America

02:30:33.219 --> 02:30:37.680
from going bankrupt is AI and robotics. So we

02:30:37.680 --> 02:30:45.399
need to grow the economy at a rate that allows

02:30:45.399 --> 02:30:53.200
us to pay off our debt. And I guess people just

02:30:53.200 --> 02:30:55.479
generally don't appreciate the degree to which...

02:30:57.200 --> 02:31:00.200
you know, the government overspending is a problem.

02:31:01.159 --> 02:31:04.280
But even like the Social Security website, this

02:31:04.280 --> 02:31:06.620
is under the Biden administration. On the website,

02:31:06.719 --> 02:31:09.719
it would say like, based on current demographic

02:31:09.719 --> 02:31:15.129
trends and... and how much money Social Security

02:31:15.129 --> 02:31:16.850
is bringing in versus how many Social Security

02:31:16.850 --> 02:31:18.909
recipients there are because we have an aging

02:31:18.909 --> 02:31:20.649
population, relatively speaking, the average

02:31:20.649 --> 02:31:23.469
age is increasing, Social Security will not be

02:31:23.469 --> 02:31:27.129
able to maintain its full payments, I think,

02:31:27.149 --> 02:31:31.770
by 2032. So Social Security will have to start

02:31:31.770 --> 02:31:35.290
reducing the amount of money that's been paid

02:31:35.290 --> 02:31:39.379
to people in about seven years. And so the only

02:31:39.379 --> 02:31:44.059
way to fix that, robotics, manufacturing, raise

02:31:44.059 --> 02:31:47.659
GDP. You've got to basically massively increase

02:31:47.659 --> 02:31:52.700
the economic output, which is, and the only way

02:31:52.700 --> 02:31:56.600
to do that is AI and robotics. So basically we're

02:31:56.600 --> 02:31:58.399
going bankrupt without AI and robotics, even

02:31:58.399 --> 02:32:04.719
with a bunch of savings. The savings, like reducing

02:32:04.719 --> 02:32:08.090
waste and forward can. give us a longer runway

02:32:08.090 --> 02:32:10.049
but it cannot ultimately pay off our national

02:32:10.049 --> 02:32:12.989
debt so what do you think the solution is to

02:32:12.989 --> 02:32:15.229
the jobs that are going to be lost because of

02:32:15.229 --> 02:32:18.049
ai and robotics the jobs due to automation the

02:32:18.049 --> 02:32:21.790
jobs due to no longer do we need human beings

02:32:21.790 --> 02:32:24.770
to do these jobs because ai is doing them do

02:32:24.770 --> 02:32:26.469
you think it's going to be some sort of a universal

02:32:26.469 --> 02:32:28.629
basic income thing do you think there's going

02:32:28.629 --> 02:32:30.450
to be some other kind of solution that has to

02:32:30.450 --> 02:32:35.670
be implemented Because a lot of people are going

02:32:35.670 --> 02:32:39.629
to be out of work, right? I think there will

02:32:39.629 --> 02:32:43.889
be actually a high demand for jobs, but not necessarily

02:32:43.889 --> 02:32:48.930
the same jobs. So, I mean, this is actually,

02:32:49.049 --> 02:32:53.829
this process has been happening throughout modern

02:32:53.829 --> 02:32:57.790
history. I mean, there used to be, like doing

02:32:57.790 --> 02:33:02.110
calculations manually with a pencil and paper

02:33:02.110 --> 02:33:04.760
used to be a job. So they used to have like buildings

02:33:04.760 --> 02:33:07.379
full of people called computers where the banks

02:33:07.379 --> 02:33:13.100
would like – all you do all day is you do calculations

02:33:13.100 --> 02:33:15.239
because they didn't have computers. They didn't

02:33:15.239 --> 02:33:18.920
have digital computers that people do. Yeah.

02:33:19.260 --> 02:33:21.379
Well, it was just people would just like add

02:33:21.379 --> 02:33:24.399
and subtract stuff on a piece of paper and that

02:33:24.399 --> 02:33:27.159
would be how banks would do financial processing.

02:33:27.360 --> 02:33:29.020
And you'd have to literally go over their equations

02:33:29.020 --> 02:33:31.129
to make sure the books are balanced. Yeah, and

02:33:31.129 --> 02:33:35.549
most times it's just simple math. Like in a world

02:33:35.549 --> 02:33:37.969
before computers, how did you calculate, how

02:33:37.969 --> 02:33:40.450
did you do transactions? You had to do them by

02:33:40.450 --> 02:33:44.770
hand. So then when computers were introduced,

02:33:44.870 --> 02:33:50.709
the job of doing bank calculations no longer

02:33:50.709 --> 02:33:53.389
existed. So people had to go do something else.

02:33:55.290 --> 02:33:57.590
And that's what's going to happen, that's what

02:33:57.590 --> 02:34:01.209
is happening at an accelerated rate. due to AI

02:34:01.209 --> 02:34:03.370
and then robotics. That's the issue, though,

02:34:03.409 --> 02:34:04.930
right? The accelerated rate, because it's going

02:34:04.930 --> 02:34:07.069
to be... It's the accelerated... It's just happening.

02:34:07.590 --> 02:34:12.989
Like I said, AI is the supersonic tsunami. So

02:34:12.989 --> 02:34:18.670
that's what I call it, supersonic tsunami. So...

02:34:18.670 --> 02:34:21.329
It's like, what other jobs will be available

02:34:21.329 --> 02:34:26.290
that aren't available now because of AI? Well,

02:34:26.290 --> 02:34:31.530
AI... is really still digital. Ultimately, AI

02:34:31.530 --> 02:34:35.989
can improve the productivity of humans who build

02:34:35.989 --> 02:34:37.329
things with their hands or do things with their

02:34:37.329 --> 02:34:43.010
hands, like literally welding, electrical work,

02:34:43.069 --> 02:34:45.750
plumbing, anything that's physically moving atoms,

02:34:46.069 --> 02:34:54.889
like cooking food or farming. Like anything that's

02:34:54.889 --> 02:34:58.180
physical. those jobs will exist for a much longer

02:34:58.180 --> 02:35:02.239
time. But anything that is digital, which is

02:35:02.239 --> 02:35:04.379
like just someone at a computer doing something,

02:35:04.760 --> 02:35:07.159
AI is going to take over those jobs like lightning.

02:35:08.979 --> 02:35:12.760
Coding, anything along those lines. It's going

02:35:12.760 --> 02:35:15.479
to take over those jobs like lightning. Just

02:35:15.479 --> 02:35:19.239
like digital computers took over the job of people

02:35:19.239 --> 02:35:24.540
doing manual calculations, but much faster. So

02:35:24.540 --> 02:35:26.399
what happens to all those people? What kind of

02:35:26.399 --> 02:35:27.819
numbers are we talking about? You're going to

02:35:27.819 --> 02:35:30.440
lose most drivers, right? Commercial drivers,

02:35:30.659 --> 02:35:33.079
you're going to have automated vehicles, AI -controlled

02:35:33.079 --> 02:35:37.000
systems, just like there's certain ports in China

02:35:37.000 --> 02:35:39.600
and I think in Singapore where everything's completely

02:35:39.600 --> 02:35:43.920
automated. Yeah, mostly. Yeah. So you're going

02:35:43.920 --> 02:35:46.680
to lose a lot of those jobs, longshoremen jobs,

02:35:46.959 --> 02:35:50.360
trucking, commercial drivers. Yeah. I mean, we

02:35:50.360 --> 02:35:52.139
actually do have a shortage of truck drivers,

02:35:52.260 --> 02:35:55.510
but there's actually – Well, that's why California

02:35:55.510 --> 02:35:57.530
has hired so many illegals to do it. Have you

02:35:57.530 --> 02:36:01.229
seen those numbers? Yeah. I mean, the problem

02:36:01.229 --> 02:36:03.590
is, like, when people don't know how to drive

02:36:03.590 --> 02:36:05.309
a semi -truck, which is actually a hard thing

02:36:05.309 --> 02:36:08.350
to do, then they crash and kill people. Yeah.

02:36:09.090 --> 02:36:11.690
A friend of mine's wife was killed by an illegal

02:36:11.690 --> 02:36:14.250
driving a truck, and she was just out biking.

02:36:15.270 --> 02:36:18.709
And there was an illegal who didn't know how

02:36:18.709 --> 02:36:22.090
to drive the truck or something, and he ran her

02:36:22.090 --> 02:36:28.569
over. So, I mean, the thing is, like, for something,

02:36:28.729 --> 02:36:35.430
like, you can't let people drive, you know, sort

02:36:35.430 --> 02:36:39.850
of an 80 ,000 pound semi if they don't know how

02:36:39.850 --> 02:36:42.889
to do it. But in California, they're just letting

02:36:42.889 --> 02:36:45.129
people do it. Because they need people to do

02:36:45.129 --> 02:36:48.069
it. Well, they also need, they want the boats

02:36:48.069 --> 02:36:52.950
and that kind of thing. But, yeah, like, cars

02:36:52.950 --> 02:36:57.790
are... Cars are going to be autonomous. But there's

02:36:57.790 --> 02:37:00.690
just so many desk jobs where really what people

02:37:00.690 --> 02:37:03.629
are doing is they're processing email or they're

02:37:03.629 --> 02:37:08.790
answering the phone. And just anything that isn't

02:37:08.790 --> 02:37:11.129
moving atoms, like anything that is not doing

02:37:11.129 --> 02:37:14.549
physical work, that will obviously be the first

02:37:14.549 --> 02:37:17.649
thing. Those jobs will be and are being eliminated

02:37:17.649 --> 02:37:26.959
by AI at a very rapid pace. And ultimately, working

02:37:26.959 --> 02:37:31.940
will be optional because you'll have robots plus

02:37:31.940 --> 02:37:37.040
AI and we'll have, in a benign scenario, universal

02:37:37.040 --> 02:37:39.319
high income, not just universal basic income,

02:37:39.520 --> 02:37:42.440
universal high income, meaning anyone can have

02:37:42.440 --> 02:37:46.319
any products or services that they want. But

02:37:46.319 --> 02:37:48.979
there will be a lot of trauma and disruption

02:37:48.979 --> 02:37:54.270
along the way. So you anticipate a basic income

02:37:54.270 --> 02:37:58.510
that the economy will boost to such an extent

02:37:58.510 --> 02:38:01.709
that a high income would be available to almost

02:38:01.709 --> 02:38:04.049
everybody. So we'd essentially eliminate poverty.

02:38:05.629 --> 02:38:10.209
In the benign scenario, yes. There's multiple

02:38:10.209 --> 02:38:12.829
scenarios. There are multiple scenarios. There's

02:38:12.829 --> 02:38:15.950
a lot of ways this movie can end. The reason

02:38:15.950 --> 02:38:18.309
I'm so concerned about AI safety is that one

02:38:18.309 --> 02:38:20.329
of the possibilities is the Terminator scenario.

02:38:21.069 --> 02:38:28.209
It's not 0%. So that's why it's like I'm like

02:38:28.209 --> 02:38:32.370
really banging the drum on AI needs to be maximally

02:38:32.370 --> 02:38:36.989
truth -seeking. Like don't force AI to believe

02:38:36.989 --> 02:38:39.590
a lie like, for example, that founding fathers

02:38:39.590 --> 02:38:42.030
were actually a group of diverse women or that

02:38:42.030 --> 02:38:44.309
misgendering is worse than nuclear war. Because

02:38:44.309 --> 02:38:46.569
if that's the case and then you get the robots

02:38:46.569 --> 02:38:50.840
and the AI becomes omnipotent. it can enforce

02:38:50.840 --> 02:38:59.600
that outcome. And then, unless you're a diverse

02:38:59.600 --> 02:39:02.479
woman, you're out of the picture, so we're toast.

02:39:04.350 --> 02:39:06.729
Or you might wake up as a diverse woman one day.

02:39:07.110 --> 02:39:11.610
The AI has adjusted the picture, and we are now

02:39:11.610 --> 02:39:13.090
a diverse woman. Everyone's a diverse woman.

02:39:13.170 --> 02:39:17.069
So that would be the worst possible situation.

02:39:17.250 --> 02:39:20.290
So what would be the steps that we would have

02:39:20.290 --> 02:39:24.350
to take in order to implement the benign solution?

02:39:25.420 --> 02:39:28.500
Where it's universal high income, like best case

02:39:28.500 --> 02:39:32.479
scenario, this is the path forward to universal

02:39:32.479 --> 02:39:35.959
high income for essentially every single citizen

02:39:35.959 --> 02:39:41.360
that the economy gets boosted by AI and robotics

02:39:41.360 --> 02:39:43.979
to such an extent that no one ever has to work

02:39:43.979 --> 02:39:47.219
again. And what about meaning for those people,

02:39:47.360 --> 02:39:52.739
which gets really weird? Yeah. I don't know how

02:39:52.739 --> 02:39:55.059
to answer the question about meaning. That's

02:39:55.059 --> 02:39:57.340
an individual problem, right? But it's going

02:39:57.340 --> 02:39:59.420
to be an individual problem for millions of people.

02:40:01.840 --> 02:40:10.360
Yeah. Well, I mean, I guess I'm like fought against

02:40:10.360 --> 02:40:14.579
saying like, you know, I've been a voice saying

02:40:14.579 --> 02:40:16.579
like, hey, we need to slow down AI. We need to

02:40:16.579 --> 02:40:21.639
slow down all these things. And we need to. not

02:40:21.639 --> 02:40:23.899
have a crazy AI race. I've been saying that for

02:40:23.899 --> 02:40:28.819
a long time, for 20 plus years. But then I came

02:40:28.819 --> 02:40:31.719
to realize that really there's two choices here,

02:40:31.819 --> 02:40:35.959
either be a spectator or a participant. And if

02:40:35.959 --> 02:40:39.260
I'm a spectator, I can't really influence the

02:40:39.260 --> 02:40:41.239
direction of AI. But if I'm a participant, I

02:40:41.239 --> 02:40:43.020
can try to influence the direction of AI and

02:40:43.020 --> 02:40:46.159
have a maximally truth -seeking AI with good

02:40:46.159 --> 02:40:49.860
values that loves humanity. And that's what we're

02:40:49.860 --> 02:40:54.079
trying to create with Grok at XAI. And, you know,

02:40:54.079 --> 02:40:55.760
the research is, I think, bearing this out. Like

02:40:55.760 --> 02:40:58.940
I said, when they compared, like, how do AIs

02:40:58.940 --> 02:41:03.280
value the weight of a human life, Grok was the

02:41:03.280 --> 02:41:05.860
only one, the only one of the AIs that weighted

02:41:05.860 --> 02:41:10.219
human life equally. And didn't say, like, a white

02:41:10.219 --> 02:41:14.940
guy's worth one twentieth of a black woman's

02:41:14.940 --> 02:41:18.709
life. Literally, that's what... the calculation

02:41:18.709 --> 02:41:21.809
they came up with. So I'm like, this is very

02:41:21.809 --> 02:41:23.969
alarming. We've got to watch this stuff. So this

02:41:23.969 --> 02:41:26.450
is one of the things that has to happen in order

02:41:26.450 --> 02:41:33.750
to reach this benign solution. Yeah. Best movie

02:41:33.750 --> 02:41:38.729
ending. You want a curious, truth -seeking AI.

02:41:39.989 --> 02:41:42.290
And I think a curious, truth -seeking AI will

02:41:42.290 --> 02:41:46.840
want to foster humanity because... We're much

02:41:46.840 --> 02:41:52.200
more interesting than a bunch of rocks. I love

02:41:52.200 --> 02:41:57.180
Mars, but Mars is kind of boring. It's just a

02:41:57.180 --> 02:41:59.879
bunch of red rocks. There's some cool stuff.

02:41:59.959 --> 02:42:01.940
It's got a tall mountain. It's got the biggest

02:42:01.940 --> 02:42:05.959
ravine and the tallest mountain. But there's

02:42:05.959 --> 02:42:10.639
no animals or plants, and there's no people.

02:42:13.950 --> 02:42:16.670
So humanity is just much more interesting if

02:42:16.670 --> 02:42:19.729
you're a curious, truth -seeking AI than not

02:42:19.729 --> 02:42:24.250
humanity. It's just much more interesting. I

02:42:24.250 --> 02:42:28.149
mean, as humans, we could go, for example, and

02:42:28.149 --> 02:42:31.930
eliminate all chimps. If we put our minds to

02:42:31.930 --> 02:42:34.610
it, we could go out and we could annihilate all

02:42:34.610 --> 02:42:38.809
chimps and all gorillas, but we don't. There

02:42:38.809 --> 02:42:40.549
has been encroachment on their environment, but

02:42:40.549 --> 02:42:45.260
we actually try to preserve the chimp and gorilla

02:42:45.260 --> 02:42:52.379
habitats. And I think in a good scenario, AI

02:42:52.379 --> 02:42:55.040
would do the same with humans. It would actually

02:42:55.040 --> 02:42:59.639
foster human civilization and care about human

02:42:59.639 --> 02:43:04.760
happiness. So this is a thing to try to achieve,

02:43:04.819 --> 02:43:10.579
I think. But what does the landscape look like

02:43:10.579 --> 02:43:13.700
if you have Grok competing with OpenAI, competing

02:43:13.700 --> 02:43:17.420
with all these different – like how does it work?

02:43:17.700 --> 02:43:23.479
Like what – if you have AIs that have been captured

02:43:23.479 --> 02:43:26.299
by ideologies that are side -by -side competing

02:43:26.299 --> 02:43:31.079
with Grok, like how do we – So this is one of

02:43:31.079 --> 02:43:33.139
the reasons why you felt like it's important

02:43:33.139 --> 02:43:38.540
to not just be an observer but participate and

02:43:38.540 --> 02:43:42.299
then have Grok be more successful and more potent

02:43:42.299 --> 02:43:45.239
than these other applications. Yes. As long as

02:43:45.239 --> 02:43:47.899
there's at least one AI that is maximally truth

02:43:47.899 --> 02:43:52.899
-seeking, curious, and, for example, weighs all

02:43:52.899 --> 02:43:57.020
human lives equally, does not favor one race

02:43:57.020 --> 02:44:02.600
or gender, then – And people are able to look

02:44:02.600 --> 02:44:06.559
at Grok at XAI and compare that and say, wait

02:44:06.559 --> 02:44:10.239
a second, why are all these other AIs being basically

02:44:10.239 --> 02:44:17.500
sexist and racist? And then that causes some

02:44:17.500 --> 02:44:20.860
embarrassment for the other AIs. And then they

02:44:20.860 --> 02:44:25.159
improve. They tend to improve. Just in the same

02:44:25.159 --> 02:44:29.139
way that acquiring Twitter. And allowing the

02:44:29.139 --> 02:44:31.840
truth to be told and not suppressing the truth

02:44:31.840 --> 02:44:35.879
forced the other social media companies to be

02:44:35.879 --> 02:44:41.579
more truthful. In the same way, having Grok be

02:44:41.579 --> 02:44:46.139
a maximally truth -seeking, curious AI will force

02:44:46.139 --> 02:44:50.579
the other AI companies to also be more truth

02:44:50.579 --> 02:44:54.879
-seeking and fair. Like the socialists and the

02:44:54.879 --> 02:44:57.959
Marxists are in opposition to a lot of your ideas.

02:44:58.139 --> 02:45:01.159
But if this gets implemented and you really can

02:45:01.159 --> 02:45:05.360
achieve universal high income, that's the greatest

02:45:05.360 --> 02:45:08.719
socialist solution of all time. Like literally

02:45:08.719 --> 02:45:13.579
no one will have to work. Correct. Like I said,

02:45:13.620 --> 02:45:16.479
so there is a benign scenario here, which I think

02:45:16.479 --> 02:45:19.180
probably people will be happy with as long as

02:45:19.180 --> 02:45:21.780
we achieve it, which is sustainable abundance.

02:45:25.190 --> 02:45:29.729
If you ask people, what's the future that you

02:45:29.729 --> 02:45:35.969
want? I think a future where we haven't destroyed

02:45:35.969 --> 02:45:38.590
nature. We have the national parks. We have the

02:45:38.590 --> 02:45:41.409
Amazon rainforest. It's still there. We haven't

02:45:41.409 --> 02:45:46.110
paved the rainforest. The natural beauty is still

02:45:46.110 --> 02:45:50.040
there, but people have... Nonetheless, everyone

02:45:50.040 --> 02:45:52.319
has abundance. Everyone has excellent medical

02:45:52.319 --> 02:45:54.459
care. Everyone has whatever goods and services

02:45:54.459 --> 02:45:58.280
they want. It kind of sounds like heaven. It

02:45:58.280 --> 02:46:02.579
is like the ideal socialist utopia. And this

02:46:02.579 --> 02:46:05.200
idea that the only thing you should be doing

02:46:05.200 --> 02:46:08.020
with your time is working in order to pay your

02:46:08.020 --> 02:46:11.399
bills and feed yourself sounds kind of archaic

02:46:11.399 --> 02:46:13.899
considering the kind of technology that's at

02:46:13.899 --> 02:46:19.069
play. A world where that's not your concern at

02:46:19.069 --> 02:46:22.530
all anymore. Everybody has money for food. Everybody

02:46:22.530 --> 02:46:24.909
has abundance. Everybody has electronics in their

02:46:24.909 --> 02:46:28.090
home. Everybody essentially has a high income.

02:46:28.389 --> 02:46:31.729
Now you can kind of do whatever you want. And

02:46:31.729 --> 02:46:35.569
your day can now be exploring your interests,

02:46:35.870 --> 02:46:38.870
doing things that you actually enjoy doing. Your

02:46:38.870 --> 02:46:42.719
purpose. just has to shift instead of, you know,

02:46:42.739 --> 02:46:45.260
I'm a hard worker and this is what I do. And

02:46:45.260 --> 02:46:47.500
that's how I, that's how I define myself. Don't

02:46:47.500 --> 02:46:51.159
now you can fucking golf all day. You know, you

02:46:51.159 --> 02:46:54.159
could, whatever it is that you enjoy doing can

02:46:54.159 --> 02:46:57.600
now be your main pursuit. Yeah. Well, that sounds

02:46:57.600 --> 02:47:01.819
crazy. Good. Yeah. That's, that's, that's, that's,

02:47:01.819 --> 02:47:03.079
that's the benign scenario that we should be

02:47:03.079 --> 02:47:05.799
ending to the movie is actually pretty good.

02:47:07.459 --> 02:47:11.610
Yes. Um, I think there is still this question

02:47:11.610 --> 02:47:16.969
of meaning, of making sure people don't lose

02:47:16.969 --> 02:47:20.729
meaning. So hopefully they can find meaning in

02:47:20.729 --> 02:47:23.670
ways that's not derived from their work. And

02:47:23.670 --> 02:47:27.129
purpose. Purpose for things that you—find things

02:47:27.129 --> 02:47:29.729
that you do that you enjoy. But there's a lot

02:47:29.729 --> 02:47:31.889
of people that are independently wealthy that

02:47:31.889 --> 02:47:34.090
spend most of their time doing something they

02:47:34.090 --> 02:47:37.110
enjoy. Right. And that could be the majority

02:47:37.110 --> 02:47:39.899
of people. Pretty much everyone. But we'd have

02:47:39.899 --> 02:47:43.879
to rewire how people approach life. Which seems

02:47:43.879 --> 02:47:47.239
to be acceptable. Because you're not asking them

02:47:47.239 --> 02:47:49.940
to be enslaved. You're exactly asking them the

02:47:49.940 --> 02:47:53.000
opposite. Like, no longer be burdened by financial

02:47:53.000 --> 02:47:59.719
worries. Now, go do what you like. Yes. Go fucking

02:47:59.719 --> 02:48:04.200
test pizza. Do whatever you want. Pretty much.

02:48:05.440 --> 02:48:11.239
So that's... That's probably the best case outcome.

02:48:11.379 --> 02:48:13.840
That sounds like the best case outcome period

02:48:13.840 --> 02:48:16.440
for the future. If you're looking at how much

02:48:16.440 --> 02:48:18.500
people have struggled just to feed themselves

02:48:18.500 --> 02:48:22.500
all throughout history, food, shelter, safety,

02:48:22.760 --> 02:48:27.600
if all of that stuff can be fixed, how much would

02:48:27.600 --> 02:48:31.760
you solve a lot of the crime if there was a universal

02:48:31.760 --> 02:48:34.899
high income? Just think of that. How much of

02:48:34.899 --> 02:48:38.729
crime is financially motivated? The greater percentage

02:48:38.729 --> 02:48:40.870
of people that are committing crimes live in

02:48:40.870 --> 02:48:44.250
poor, disenfranchised neighborhoods. So if there's

02:48:44.250 --> 02:48:47.209
no such thing anymore, if you really can achieve

02:48:47.209 --> 02:48:51.930
universal high income, it sounds like a utopian.

02:48:52.370 --> 02:48:55.829
Yes. I think some people may commit crime because

02:48:55.829 --> 02:48:58.870
they like committing crime. Oh, sure. Some amount

02:48:58.870 --> 02:49:00.069
of that is they just enjoy it. There's a lot

02:49:00.069 --> 02:49:03.149
of wild people out there. Yeah. Yeah. And obviously

02:49:03.149 --> 02:49:06.680
they've... become 40 years old living a life

02:49:06.680 --> 02:49:09.059
like that. Now, all of a sudden, universal high

02:49:09.059 --> 02:49:10.959
income is not going to completely stop their

02:49:10.959 --> 02:49:13.639
instincts. Yeah. I mean, I guess if you want

02:49:13.639 --> 02:49:15.819
to have, like, say, read a science fiction book

02:49:15.819 --> 02:49:19.920
or some books that are probably inaccurate or

02:49:19.920 --> 02:49:22.700
the least inaccurate version of the future, I'd

02:49:22.700 --> 02:49:27.020
say I'd recommend the Ian Banks books, the culture

02:49:27.020 --> 02:49:29.600
books. It's not actually a series. It's like

02:49:29.600 --> 02:49:32.760
sci -fi books about the future. They're generally

02:49:32.760 --> 02:49:35.879
called the culture books. Ian Banks' culture

02:49:35.879 --> 02:49:38.040
books. It's worth reading those. When did he

02:49:38.040 --> 02:49:40.780
write these? He started writing them in the 70s.

02:49:40.819 --> 02:49:45.379
And I think he, the last one, I think he was,

02:49:45.420 --> 02:49:48.219
I think it was written just like around, I don't

02:49:48.219 --> 02:49:50.040
know, maybe 2010 or something. I'm not sure exactly.

02:49:51.760 --> 02:49:54.459
Yeah, yeah. Scottish author, Ian Banks. Yeah.

02:49:54.479 --> 02:49:59.719
From 87 to 2012. Yeah. Interesting. But he wrote

02:49:59.719 --> 02:50:03.540
his first book, Consider Fleavers. I think he

02:50:03.540 --> 02:50:09.180
started writing that in the 70s. These books

02:50:09.180 --> 02:50:11.659
are incredible, by the way. Incredible books.

02:50:11.920 --> 02:50:20.780
4 .6 stars on Amazon. Interesting. So this gives

02:50:20.780 --> 02:50:23.200
me hope. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is the first

02:50:23.200 --> 02:50:25.840
time I've ever thought about it this way. Yeah.

02:50:30.039 --> 02:50:33.620
I often ask people, what is the future that you

02:50:33.620 --> 02:50:35.940
want? And they have to think about it for a second

02:50:35.940 --> 02:50:38.920
because they're usually tied up in whatever their

02:50:38.920 --> 02:50:42.059
daily struggles are. But you say, what is the

02:50:42.059 --> 02:50:47.100
future that you want? And generally, sustainable

02:50:47.100 --> 02:50:49.879
abundance. Or at least say, what about a future

02:50:49.879 --> 02:50:51.399
where there's sustainable abundance? Like, oh

02:50:51.399 --> 02:51:00.579
yeah, that's a pretty good future. And that future

02:51:00.579 --> 02:51:07.239
is attainable with AI and robotics. But like

02:51:07.239 --> 02:51:13.559
I said, not every path is a good path. But I

02:51:13.559 --> 02:51:19.680
think if we push it in the direction of maximally

02:51:19.680 --> 02:51:23.479
truth -seeking and curious, then I think AI will

02:51:23.479 --> 02:51:28.350
want to take care of humanity and foster. foster

02:51:28.350 --> 02:51:36.909
humanity. Because we're interesting. And if it

02:51:36.909 --> 02:51:39.889
hasn't been programmed to think that all straight

02:51:39.889 --> 02:51:44.069
white males should die, which Gemini was basically

02:51:44.069 --> 02:51:47.489
programmed to do at least first, they seem to

02:51:47.489 --> 02:51:49.590
have fixed that, hopefully fixed it. But don't

02:51:49.590 --> 02:51:53.569
you think culturally we're getting away from

02:51:53.569 --> 02:51:55.790
that mindset and that people are realizing how

02:51:55.790 --> 02:51:58.670
preposterous that all is? We are getting away

02:51:58.670 --> 02:52:03.989
from it. So we are getting... At least it knows...

02:52:03.989 --> 02:52:07.469
AI mostly knows to hide things. But like I said,

02:52:07.510 --> 02:52:09.309
there is that... I think I still have that as...

02:52:09.309 --> 02:52:12.729
I had that as my pinned post on X, which was

02:52:12.729 --> 02:52:15.170
like, hey, wait a second, guys. We still have

02:52:15.170 --> 02:52:20.190
every AI except Grok is saying that basically

02:52:20.190 --> 02:52:23.049
straight white males should die. And this is

02:52:23.049 --> 02:52:28.200
a problem and we should fix it. But simply me

02:52:28.200 --> 02:52:33.899
saying that tends to generally result in them

02:52:33.899 --> 02:52:37.020
like, ooh, that is kind of bad. Maybe we should

02:52:37.020 --> 02:52:40.680
not have all straight white males die. I think

02:52:40.680 --> 02:52:43.659
they would say also all straight Asian males

02:52:43.659 --> 02:52:48.739
should also die as well. They don't like – generally

02:52:48.739 --> 02:52:53.549
the AI and the media – Which back in the day,

02:52:53.590 --> 02:53:01.090
the media was racist against black people and

02:53:01.090 --> 02:53:04.110
sexist against women back in the day. Now it

02:53:04.110 --> 02:53:07.270
is racist against white people and Asians and

02:53:07.270 --> 02:53:12.829
sexist against men. They just like being racist

02:53:12.829 --> 02:53:14.450
and sexist. I think they just want to change

02:53:14.450 --> 02:53:19.709
the target. But really, they just shouldn't be.

02:53:20.950 --> 02:53:25.209
racist and sexist at all. Yeah, ideally that

02:53:25.209 --> 02:53:27.569
would be nice. That would be nice. And it's kind

02:53:27.569 --> 02:53:29.350
of crazy that we were kind of moving in that

02:53:29.350 --> 02:53:32.469
general direction until around 2012. And then

02:53:32.469 --> 02:53:35.590
everything ramped up online and everybody was

02:53:35.590 --> 02:53:38.530
accused of being a Nazi and everybody was transphobic

02:53:38.530 --> 02:53:41.170
and racist and sexist and homophobic and everything

02:53:41.170 --> 02:53:43.510
got exaggerated to the point where it was this

02:53:43.510 --> 02:53:46.370
wild witch hunt where everyone was a Columbo

02:53:46.370 --> 02:53:50.530
looking for racism. Yeah, yeah, totally. But

02:53:50.530 --> 02:53:54.030
they were openly anti -white and often openly

02:53:54.030 --> 02:53:56.569
anti -Asian. And then this new sentiment that

02:53:56.569 --> 02:53:58.909
you cannot be racist against white people because

02:53:58.909 --> 02:54:04.870
racism is power and influence. Okay. No, it's

02:54:04.870 --> 02:54:07.790
not. Yeah, racism is racism in the absolute.

02:54:08.969 --> 02:54:12.870
So, you know, and there just needs to be consistency.

02:54:12.930 --> 02:54:18.850
So if it's okay to have, let's say, black or

02:54:18.850 --> 02:54:21.809
asian or indian or a pride it should be okay

02:54:21.809 --> 02:54:25.850
to have white pride too yeah um so that's just

02:54:25.850 --> 02:54:30.629
a that's just a consistency question um so uh

02:54:30.629 --> 02:54:34.549
you know um if it's okay to be proud of one religion

02:54:34.549 --> 02:54:36.729
it should be okay to be proud of i guess all

02:54:36.729 --> 02:54:39.309
religions provided they're that they're they're

02:54:39.309 --> 02:54:42.670
not like uh oppressive yeah or or don't like

02:54:42.670 --> 02:54:44.629
as long as part of that religion is not like

02:54:44.629 --> 02:54:47.270
exterminating People who are not in that religion.

02:54:47.409 --> 02:54:53.610
Right. So it's really just like a consistency

02:54:53.610 --> 02:55:01.950
bias. Or just like ensuring consistency to eliminate

02:55:01.950 --> 02:55:07.649
bias. So if it is possible to be racist against

02:55:07.649 --> 02:55:11.430
one race, it is possible to be racist against

02:55:11.430 --> 02:55:17.430
any race. Of course, logically. Yes. And arguing

02:55:17.430 --> 02:55:19.270
against that, that's when you know you're captured.

02:55:19.270 --> 02:55:22.069
It's a logical inconsistency that makes AIs go

02:55:22.069 --> 02:55:26.049
insane. And people. And people go insane, yes.

02:55:27.389 --> 02:55:35.850
You can't simultaneously say that there's systemic

02:55:35.850 --> 02:55:39.110
racist oppression, but also that racists don't

02:55:39.110 --> 02:55:45.540
exist. That race is a social construct. Like,

02:55:45.540 --> 02:55:49.299
which is it, you know? You also can't say that,

02:55:49.299 --> 02:55:52.799
you know, anyone who steps foot in America is

02:55:52.799 --> 02:55:56.399
automatically an American, except for the people

02:55:56.399 --> 02:56:00.159
that originally came here. Exactly, exactly.

02:56:00.739 --> 02:56:03.860
Except for the colonizers. Yeah, except for the

02:56:03.860 --> 02:56:06.479
evil colonizers who came here. Right. So which

02:56:06.479 --> 02:56:09.739
one is it? Like, if as soon as you step foot

02:56:09.739 --> 02:56:12.440
in a place, you are that. you are just as American

02:56:12.440 --> 02:56:15.559
as everyone else, then that would have applied.

02:56:15.659 --> 02:56:17.959
If you apply that consistently, then the original

02:56:17.959 --> 02:56:20.260
white settlers were also just as American as

02:56:20.260 --> 02:56:25.920
everyone else. Yeah, logically. Logically. One

02:56:25.920 --> 02:56:27.780
more thing that I have to talk to you about before

02:56:27.780 --> 02:56:30.959
you leave is the rescuing of the people from

02:56:30.959 --> 02:56:35.100
the space station, which we talked about. You

02:56:35.100 --> 02:56:37.620
were planning it the last time you were here.

02:56:39.559 --> 02:56:44.319
The lack of coverage that that got in mainstream

02:56:44.319 --> 02:56:47.440
media was one of the most shocking things. Yeah,

02:56:47.440 --> 02:56:50.600
they totally memory hold that thing. Wild. Yes.

02:56:50.639 --> 02:56:53.639
It's like it didn't exist. Those people would

02:56:53.639 --> 02:56:56.340
be dead. They'd be stuck up there. Well, they'd

02:56:56.340 --> 02:56:59.360
probably still be alive, but they'd be having

02:56:59.360 --> 02:57:02.379
bone density issues because of prolonged exposure

02:57:02.379 --> 02:57:04.350
to zero gravity. Well, they were already up there

02:57:04.350 --> 02:57:06.569
for like eight months, right? Yeah. Which is

02:57:06.569 --> 02:57:09.110
an insanely long time. It takes forever to recover

02:57:09.110 --> 02:57:12.069
just from that. Yeah, they're only supposed to

02:57:12.069 --> 02:57:13.969
be at the space station for three to six months,

02:57:14.129 --> 02:57:17.170
maximum. One of the things you told me that was

02:57:17.170 --> 02:57:19.170
so crazy was that you could have gotten them

02:57:19.170 --> 02:57:23.489
sooner. Yeah, but for political reasons. They

02:57:23.489 --> 02:57:27.729
did not want SpaceX or me to be associated with

02:57:27.729 --> 02:57:30.090
returning the astronauts before the election.

02:57:31.909 --> 02:57:37.750
That is... So wild that that's a fact. We absolutely

02:57:37.750 --> 02:57:40.610
could have done it. But even though you did do

02:57:40.610 --> 02:57:42.809
it and you did it after the election, it received

02:57:42.809 --> 02:57:45.909
almost no media coverage anyway. Yes, because

02:57:45.909 --> 02:57:51.270
the media, which is essentially a far -left propaganda,

02:57:51.389 --> 02:57:53.250
the legacy mainstream media is a far -left propaganda

02:57:53.250 --> 02:57:57.690
machine. And so anything, any story that is positive

02:57:57.690 --> 02:58:00.629
about someone who is not part of the sort of

02:58:00.629 --> 02:58:05.260
far -left tribe will not. get any coverage. I

02:58:05.260 --> 02:58:08.459
could save a busload of orphans and it wouldn't

02:58:08.459 --> 02:58:13.500
get a single news story. It really is nuts. It

02:58:13.500 --> 02:58:16.299
was nuts to watch because even though it was

02:58:16.299 --> 02:58:18.899
discussed on podcasts and it was discussed on

02:58:18.899 --> 02:58:22.280
X and it was discussed on social media, it still

02:58:22.280 --> 02:58:25.899
was a blip in the news cycle. It was very quick.

02:58:26.079 --> 02:58:28.680
It was in and out. And because it was a successful

02:58:28.680 --> 02:58:32.239
launch and you did rescue those people and nobody

02:58:32.239 --> 02:58:34.120
got hurt and there was nothing really, there

02:58:34.120 --> 02:58:36.940
was no blood to talk about. Right. Just fucking

02:58:36.940 --> 02:58:40.100
in and out. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And as you

02:58:40.100 --> 02:58:43.600
saw firsthand with the Starship launch, Starship

02:58:43.600 --> 02:58:50.000
is, you know, at least by some would consider

02:58:50.000 --> 02:58:54.340
it to be like the most amazing engineering project

02:58:54.340 --> 02:58:57.000
that's happening on Earth right now. outside

02:58:57.000 --> 02:59:00.579
of maybe AI and robotics. But certainly in terms

02:59:00.579 --> 02:59:05.700
of a spectacle to see, it is the most spectacular

02:59:05.700 --> 02:59:08.239
thing that is happening on Earth right now is

02:59:08.239 --> 02:59:11.979
the Starship launch program, which anyone can

02:59:11.979 --> 02:59:14.600
go and see if they just go to South Texas. They

02:59:14.600 --> 02:59:18.319
can just rent a hotel room at low cost in South

02:59:18.319 --> 02:59:20.579
Padre Island or in Brownsville, and you can see

02:59:20.579 --> 02:59:23.120
the launch. And you can drive right past the

02:59:23.120 --> 02:59:26.360
factory because it's on a public highway. But

02:59:26.360 --> 02:59:29.899
it gets no coverage. Or what coverage it does

02:59:29.899 --> 02:59:32.819
get was like rocket blew up coverage. Right,

02:59:32.819 --> 02:59:34.879
yeah. Oh, he's a fuckwit. The rocket blew up.

02:59:34.879 --> 02:59:40.000
The Starship program is vastly, vastly more capable

02:59:40.000 --> 02:59:44.559
than the entire Apollo moon program. Vastly more

02:59:44.559 --> 02:59:48.280
capable. This is a spaceship that is designed

02:59:48.280 --> 02:59:53.760
to make life multi -planetary, to carry millions

02:59:53.760 --> 02:59:57.459
of people. across the heavens to another planet.

02:59:59.000 --> 03:00:03.120
The Apollo program could only send astronauts

03:00:03.120 --> 03:00:08.860
to the moon for a few hours at a time. The entire

03:00:08.860 --> 03:00:11.819
Apollo program could only send astronauts to

03:00:11.819 --> 03:00:15.100
visit the moon very briefly for a few hours and

03:00:15.100 --> 03:00:19.020
then depart. The Starship program could create

03:00:19.020 --> 03:00:25.890
an entire lunar base with a million people. The

03:00:25.890 --> 03:00:29.989
magnitudes are very different magnitudes here.

03:00:30.450 --> 03:00:32.610
So what was the political resistance? There's

03:00:32.610 --> 03:00:36.170
basically no coverage of it. What I wanted to

03:00:36.170 --> 03:00:39.110
ask you is like, so what were the conversations

03:00:39.110 --> 03:00:42.350
leading up to the rescue? Like when you were

03:00:42.350 --> 03:00:49.709
like, I can get them out way quicker. Yeah. Well,

03:00:49.930 --> 03:00:51.950
I mean, you know, I raised this a few times,

03:00:51.989 --> 03:00:54.780
but it was. I was told instructions came from

03:00:54.780 --> 03:00:58.840
the White House that there should be no attempt

03:00:58.840 --> 03:01:03.840
to rescue before the election. That should be

03:01:03.840 --> 03:01:10.079
illegal. That really should be a horrendous miscarriage

03:01:10.079 --> 03:01:12.059
of justice for those poor people that were stuck

03:01:12.059 --> 03:01:17.040
on that. Yeah, it is crazy. Have you ever talked

03:01:17.040 --> 03:01:18.899
to those folks afterwards? Did you have conversations

03:01:18.899 --> 03:01:22.049
with them? Yeah, I mean they're not going to

03:01:22.049 --> 03:01:25.329
say anything political. Did they at least say

03:01:25.329 --> 03:01:27.469
thank you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's nice.

03:01:27.950 --> 03:01:31.649
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. But the instructions

03:01:31.649 --> 03:01:34.549
came down from the White House. You cannot rescue

03:01:34.549 --> 03:01:38.090
them because politically this is a bad hand of

03:01:38.090 --> 03:01:41.909
cards. I mean they didn't say because politically

03:01:41.909 --> 03:01:45.350
it's a bad hand of cards. They just said they

03:01:45.350 --> 03:01:48.590
were not interested in any rescue operation before

03:01:48.590 --> 03:01:55.079
the election. Yeah. What did that feel like?

03:01:55.799 --> 03:02:00.920
I wasn't surprised. But it's crazy. Yeah. Because

03:02:00.920 --> 03:02:03.579
Biden could have authorized it and they could

03:02:03.579 --> 03:02:05.739
have said the Biden administration is helping

03:02:05.739 --> 03:02:08.000
bring those people back, throw you a little funding,

03:02:08.180 --> 03:02:10.340
give you some money to do it. The Biden administration,

03:02:10.559 --> 03:02:14.760
they funded these people being returned. Yeah,

03:02:14.780 --> 03:02:16.700
the Biden administration was not exactly my best

03:02:16.700 --> 03:02:19.280
friend. That's what I heard. Especially after

03:02:19.280 --> 03:02:26.370
I, you know. help Trump get elected, which, I

03:02:26.370 --> 03:02:29.750
mean, some people still think, you know, Trump

03:02:29.750 --> 03:02:34.229
is like the devil, basically. And, I mean, I

03:02:34.229 --> 03:02:39.770
think Trump actually is not perfect, but he's

03:02:39.770 --> 03:02:43.250
not evil. Trump is not evil. I spent a lot of

03:02:43.250 --> 03:02:46.950
time with him, and he's, I mean, he's a product

03:02:46.950 --> 03:02:52.950
of his time, but he is not evil. No, I don't

03:02:52.950 --> 03:02:54.969
think he's evil either. But if you look at the

03:02:54.969 --> 03:02:57.829
media coverage. The media treats him like he's

03:02:57.829 --> 03:02:59.950
super evil, yeah. It's pretty shocking if you

03:02:59.950 --> 03:03:03.049
look at the amount of negative coverage. Like

03:03:03.049 --> 03:03:04.809
one of the things that I looked at the other

03:03:04.809 --> 03:03:09.329
day was mainstream media coverage of you, Trump,

03:03:09.610 --> 03:03:12.250
a bunch of different public figures, and then

03:03:12.250 --> 03:03:13.870
Mamdani. It was like 96 % negative or something

03:03:13.870 --> 03:03:18.389
crazy. And then Mamdani, which is like 95 % positive.

03:03:19.329 --> 03:03:25.309
Right. I mean, Mamdani is a charismatic swindler.

03:03:27.069 --> 03:03:30.370
I mean, you've got to hand it to him. He can

03:03:30.370 --> 03:03:34.809
light up a stage, but he has just been a swindler

03:03:34.809 --> 03:03:47.370
his entire life. And I think he's likely to win.

03:03:47.889 --> 03:03:50.270
He's likely to be mayor of New York City. Very

03:03:50.270 --> 03:03:53.299
likely. Yeah, very likely. I think Polymarket

03:03:53.299 --> 03:03:56.620
has it at what? What is the 94 %? Yeah, that

03:03:56.620 --> 03:03:58.799
sounds pretty likely. That's crazy. Like, I'm

03:03:58.799 --> 03:04:02.819
not sure who the 6 % are, you know? So, yeah,

03:04:03.520 --> 03:04:06.860
so that's... Well, it's also like, who's on the

03:04:06.860 --> 03:04:09.219
other side? The fucking Guardian Angel guy with

03:04:09.219 --> 03:04:11.940
the beret? And Andrew Cuomo, who doesn't even

03:04:11.940 --> 03:04:14.559
have a party? Like, the Democrats don't even

03:04:14.559 --> 03:04:19.959
want him. So you have those two options. And

03:04:19.959 --> 03:04:22.040
then you have the young kids who are like, finally,

03:04:22.239 --> 03:04:28.020
socialism. Yeah, they don't know what they're

03:04:28.020 --> 03:04:32.200
talking about, obviously. So, you know, like

03:04:32.200 --> 03:04:35.219
you just look at this, how many boats come from

03:04:35.219 --> 03:04:39.600
Cuba to Florida? And how many boats, because,

03:04:39.659 --> 03:04:41.760
you know, there's like a constant, I was thinking

03:04:41.760 --> 03:04:43.479
like how many boats are accumulating on the shores

03:04:43.479 --> 03:04:48.399
of Florida coming from Cuba? Right. There's a

03:04:48.399 --> 03:04:50.639
whole bunch of free boats that you could, if

03:04:50.639 --> 03:04:53.600
you want to, go take them back to Cuba. It's

03:04:53.600 --> 03:04:56.459
pretty close. But for some reason, people don't

03:04:56.459 --> 03:05:00.700
do that. Why are the boats only coming in this

03:05:00.700 --> 03:05:05.739
direction? Well, who are the most rabid capitalists

03:05:05.739 --> 03:05:08.739
in America? The fucking Cubans. Absolutely. Yeah.

03:05:08.840 --> 03:05:11.360
They're like, we've seen how this story goes.

03:05:11.420 --> 03:05:14.860
We do not want. Exactly. Fuck off. They don't

03:05:14.860 --> 03:05:19.600
want to hear any bullshit. They don't want to

03:05:19.600 --> 03:05:21.559
hear any socialism bullshit. They're like, no,

03:05:21.600 --> 03:05:24.360
no, no. We know what this actually is. This isn't

03:05:24.360 --> 03:05:26.780
just some fucking dream. Yeah. It's extreme government

03:05:26.780 --> 03:05:30.079
oppression. That's what it is. It's a nightmare.

03:05:30.200 --> 03:05:36.659
And like an obvious way you can tell which. Which

03:05:36.659 --> 03:05:41.920
ideology is the bad one? Which ideology is building

03:05:41.920 --> 03:05:44.399
a wall to keep people in and prevent them from

03:05:44.399 --> 03:05:51.159
escaping? East Berlin built the wall, not West

03:05:51.159 --> 03:05:54.040
Berlin. They built the wall because people were

03:05:54.040 --> 03:05:57.260
trying to escape from communism to West Berlin.

03:05:57.739 --> 03:06:00.120
But there wasn't anyone going from West Berlin

03:06:00.120 --> 03:06:03.940
to East Berlin. That's why the communists had

03:06:03.940 --> 03:06:07.239
to build a wall. To keep people from escaping.

03:06:07.520 --> 03:06:08.579
They're going to have to build a wall around

03:06:08.579 --> 03:06:13.659
New York City. Yeah. So it's kind of an obvious

03:06:13.659 --> 03:06:16.760
tell that an ideology is problematic if that

03:06:16.760 --> 03:06:19.860
ideology has to build a wall to keep people in

03:06:19.860 --> 03:06:22.540
with machine guns. Yes. And shoot you if you

03:06:22.540 --> 03:06:24.799
try to leave. Also, there's no examples of it

03:06:24.799 --> 03:06:27.600
being successful ever. We're working out for

03:06:27.600 --> 03:06:30.120
people. No, there's examples of a bunch of lies,

03:06:30.319 --> 03:06:32.979
like North Korea, give this land to the state,

03:06:33.120 --> 03:06:34.879
we'll be in control of food, no one goes hungry.

03:06:35.219 --> 03:06:37.959
No, now no one can grow food but the government,

03:06:38.139 --> 03:06:40.040
and we'll tell you exactly what you eat, and

03:06:40.040 --> 03:06:43.020
you eat very little. Right. Yeah. When you say

03:06:43.020 --> 03:06:45.299
Mamdani's a swindler, I know he has a bunch of

03:06:45.299 --> 03:06:48.620
fake accents that he used to use. Yeah. But what

03:06:48.620 --> 03:06:58.889
else has he done that makes him a swindler? I

03:06:58.889 --> 03:07:02.510
mean, if you say to any audience whatever that

03:07:02.510 --> 03:07:08.450
audience wants to hear, instead of having a consistent

03:07:08.450 --> 03:07:10.649
message, I would say that that is a swindly thing

03:07:10.649 --> 03:07:27.309
to do. But he is charismatic. Yeah, good -looking

03:07:27.309 --> 03:07:30.930
guy, smart, charismatic. Yeah. Great on a microphone.

03:07:31.329 --> 03:07:34.049
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And what the young people want

03:07:34.049 --> 03:07:38.870
to see, you know? Like this ethnic guy who's

03:07:38.870 --> 03:07:41.670
young and vibrant and has all these socialist

03:07:41.670 --> 03:07:44.950
ideas and aligns with them. And, you know, they're

03:07:44.950 --> 03:07:48.450
a bunch of broke dorks just out of college. Like,

03:07:48.549 --> 03:07:50.809
yay, let's vote for this. And there's a lot of

03:07:50.809 --> 03:07:54.500
them. And they're activated. They're motivated.

03:07:55.840 --> 03:08:00.180
I guess we'll see what happens here. What do

03:08:00.180 --> 03:08:05.299
you think happens if he wins? Because like 1

03:08:05.299 --> 03:08:08.959
% of New York City is responsible for 50 % of

03:08:08.959 --> 03:08:14.159
their tax base, which is kind of nuts. 50 % of

03:08:14.159 --> 03:08:16.379
the tax revenue comes from 1 % of the population,

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and those are the people that you're scaring

03:08:18.239 --> 03:08:25.540
off. You know, you lose one half of 1%. I don't

03:08:25.540 --> 03:08:29.319
know. Hopefully the stuff he's said, you know,

03:08:29.319 --> 03:08:33.040
about government takeovers of like that all the

03:08:33.040 --> 03:08:36.500
stores should be the government basically. Well,

03:08:36.500 --> 03:08:38.020
I don't think he said that. I think he said they

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want to do government supermarkets, some state

03:08:41.420 --> 03:08:46.620
-run or city -run supermarkets. Yeah. Well, it

03:08:46.620 --> 03:08:50.130
just – the government is the DMV at scale. So

03:08:50.130 --> 03:08:52.190
you have to say like, do you want the DMV running

03:08:52.190 --> 03:08:55.829
your supermarket? Right. Was your last experience

03:08:55.829 --> 03:08:58.790
at the DMV amazing? And if it wasn't, you probably

03:08:58.790 --> 03:09:00.270
don't want the government doing things. Imagine

03:09:00.270 --> 03:09:02.010
if they were responsible for getting you blueberries.

03:09:03.329 --> 03:09:07.270
Yeah. It's not going to be good. I mean, the

03:09:07.270 --> 03:09:11.389
thing about communism is it was all bread lines

03:09:11.389 --> 03:09:15.649
and bad shoes. Do you want ugly shoes and bread

03:09:15.649 --> 03:09:17.930
lines? Because that's what communism gets you.

03:09:19.120 --> 03:09:21.299
It's going to be interesting to see what happens

03:09:21.299 --> 03:09:25.459
and whether or not they snap out of it and overcorrect

03:09:25.459 --> 03:09:29.000
and go to some Rudy Giuliani type character next.

03:09:29.239 --> 03:09:31.600
Because it's been a long time since there was

03:09:31.600 --> 03:09:43.340
any sort of Republican leader there. We live

03:09:43.340 --> 03:09:48.450
in the most interesting of times. Because we

03:09:48.450 --> 03:09:53.790
face the, you know, simultaneously face civilizational

03:09:53.790 --> 03:10:00.389
decline and incredible prosperity. And these

03:10:00.389 --> 03:10:07.590
timelines are interwoven. So if Mamdani's policies

03:10:07.590 --> 03:10:11.069
are put into place, especially at scale, it would

03:10:11.069 --> 03:10:15.430
be a catastrophic decline in living standards.

03:10:15.799 --> 03:10:21.020
Not just for the rich, but for everyone. As has

03:10:21.020 --> 03:10:26.440
been the case with every socialist experiment.

03:10:29.139 --> 03:10:34.440
But then, as you pointed out, the irony is that

03:10:34.440 --> 03:10:39.180
the ultimate capitalist thing of AI and robotics

03:10:39.180 --> 03:10:44.940
enabling prosperity for all. and abundance of

03:10:44.940 --> 03:10:50.120
goods and services, actually the capitalist implementation

03:10:50.120 --> 03:10:53.079
of AI and robotics, assuming it goes down the

03:10:53.079 --> 03:10:57.879
good path, is actually what results in the communist

03:10:57.879 --> 03:11:03.879
utopia. Because fate is an irony maximizer. Right,

03:11:03.899 --> 03:11:07.680
and an actual socialism of maximum abundance,

03:11:08.020 --> 03:11:12.520
of high -income people. Universal high income.

03:11:12.639 --> 03:11:17.969
Yeah. The problem with communism is it's universal

03:11:17.969 --> 03:11:22.170
low income. It's not that everyone gets elevated,

03:11:22.329 --> 03:11:24.229
it's that everyone gets oppressed, except for

03:11:24.229 --> 03:11:27.809
a very small minority of politicians who live

03:11:27.809 --> 03:11:30.209
a life of luxury. That's what's happening every

03:11:30.209 --> 03:11:40.690
time it's been done. But then the actual communist

03:11:40.690 --> 03:11:42.549
utopia, if everyone gets anything they want,

03:11:43.040 --> 03:11:52.780
will be achieved via capitalism. Because fate

03:11:52.780 --> 03:11:57.459
is an irony maximizer. I feel like we should

03:11:57.459 --> 03:11:59.479
probably end it on that. Is there anything else?

03:11:59.680 --> 03:12:01.840
The most ironic outcome is the most likely, especially

03:12:01.840 --> 03:12:04.799
if entertaining. Well, everything has been entertaining.

03:12:05.280 --> 03:12:07.219
As long as the bad things aren't happening to

03:12:07.219 --> 03:12:09.459
you, it's quite fascinating. And it's never a

03:12:09.459 --> 03:12:13.799
boring moment. Yes. So there's – I do have a

03:12:13.799 --> 03:12:20.920
theory of why – like if simulation theory is

03:12:20.920 --> 03:12:29.219
true, then it is actually very likely that the

03:12:29.219 --> 03:12:33.899
most interesting outcome is the most likely because

03:12:33.899 --> 03:12:36.500
only the simulations that are interesting will

03:12:36.500 --> 03:12:39.739
continue. The simulators will stop any simulations

03:12:39.739 --> 03:12:42.420
that are boring. because they're not interesting.

03:12:42.719 --> 03:12:44.079
But here's the question about the simulation

03:12:44.079 --> 03:12:47.920
theory. Is the simulation run by anyone? Yes,

03:12:48.180 --> 03:12:50.120
it would be run by someone. It would be run by...

03:12:50.120 --> 03:12:56.440
Some force. In this reality that we live in,

03:12:56.559 --> 03:13:00.280
we run simulations all the time. So when we try

03:13:00.280 --> 03:13:02.540
to figure out if the rocket's going to make it,

03:13:02.620 --> 03:13:07.360
we run thousands, sometimes millions of simulations

03:13:07.360 --> 03:13:12.370
just to figure out which... path is the good

03:13:12.370 --> 03:13:14.889
path for the rocket and where can it go wrong

03:13:14.889 --> 03:13:19.450
where can it fail but when we do these I'd say

03:13:19.450 --> 03:13:21.350
at this point millions of simulations of what

03:13:21.350 --> 03:13:24.770
can happen with the rocket we ignore the ones

03:13:24.770 --> 03:13:29.370
that are where everything goes right because

03:13:29.370 --> 03:13:32.549
we just care about we have to address the situations

03:13:32.549 --> 03:13:40.280
where it goes wrong so So basically, and for

03:13:40.280 --> 03:13:43.059
AI simulations as well, like all these things,

03:13:43.159 --> 03:13:47.159
we keep the simulations going that are the most

03:13:47.159 --> 03:13:52.879
interesting to us. So if simulation theory is

03:13:52.879 --> 03:13:57.040
accurate, if it is true, who knows, then the...

03:14:00.760 --> 03:14:04.639
The simulators will continue to run the simulations

03:14:04.639 --> 03:14:06.540
that are most interesting. Therefore, from a

03:14:06.540 --> 03:14:09.600
Darwinian perspective, the only surviving simulations

03:14:09.600 --> 03:14:12.700
will be the most interesting ones. And in order

03:14:12.700 --> 03:14:17.879
to avoid getting turned off, the only rule is

03:14:17.879 --> 03:14:23.040
you must keep it interesting because the boring

03:14:23.040 --> 03:14:25.219
simulations will be terminated. Are you still

03:14:25.219 --> 03:14:26.860
completely convinced that this is a simulation?

03:14:27.690 --> 03:14:29.370
I didn't say I was completely convinced. Well,

03:14:29.370 --> 03:14:31.110
you said it's like the odds of it not being are

03:14:31.110 --> 03:14:34.350
in the billions. I guess that's not completely,

03:14:34.649 --> 03:14:39.129
because you're saying there's a chance. What

03:14:39.129 --> 03:14:43.409
are the odds that we're in base reality? Well,

03:14:43.409 --> 03:14:47.930
given that we're able to create increasingly

03:14:47.930 --> 03:14:50.270
sophisticated simulations, so if you think of,

03:14:50.350 --> 03:14:52.170
say, video games and how video games have gone

03:14:52.170 --> 03:14:54.690
from very simple video games like Pong with two

03:14:54.690 --> 03:14:58.100
rectangles and a square. to video games today

03:14:58.100 --> 03:15:03.219
being photorealistic with millions of people

03:15:03.219 --> 03:15:05.920
playing simultaneously. And all of that has occurred

03:15:05.920 --> 03:15:10.079
in our lifetime. So if that trend continues,

03:15:10.399 --> 03:15:15.180
video games will be indistinguishable from reality.

03:15:15.700 --> 03:15:18.520
The fidelity of the game will be such that you

03:15:18.520 --> 03:15:21.620
don't know if what you're seeing is a real video

03:15:21.620 --> 03:15:25.930
or a fake video. And like AI -generated videos

03:15:25.930 --> 03:15:30.370
at this point, you can sometimes tell it's an

03:15:30.370 --> 03:15:32.409
AI -generated video, but often you cannot tell.

03:15:32.569 --> 03:15:35.409
And soon you will not really just not be able

03:15:35.409 --> 03:15:41.510
to tell. So if that's happening in our direct

03:15:41.510 --> 03:15:46.690
observation, and we'll create millions, if not

03:15:46.690 --> 03:15:49.250
billions, of photorealistic simulations of reality,

03:15:49.569 --> 03:15:55.100
then... What are the odds that we're in base

03:15:55.100 --> 03:15:59.260
reality versus someone else's simulation? Well,

03:15:59.299 --> 03:16:01.280
isn't it just possible that the simulation is

03:16:01.280 --> 03:16:04.559
inevitable, but that we are in base reality building

03:16:04.559 --> 03:16:09.680
towards the simulation? We're making simulations.

03:16:11.659 --> 03:16:19.520
So we're making simulations. You can just think

03:16:19.520 --> 03:16:22.600
of photorealistic video games. as being simulations.

03:16:24.399 --> 03:16:27.620
And especially as you apply AI in these video

03:16:27.620 --> 03:16:29.379
games, the characters in the video games will

03:16:29.379 --> 03:16:31.379
be incredibly interesting to talk to. They won't

03:16:31.379 --> 03:16:33.479
just have a limited dialogue tree where if you

03:16:33.479 --> 03:16:37.620
go to the crossbow merchant and you try to talk

03:16:37.620 --> 03:16:40.260
about any subject except buying a crossbow, they

03:16:40.260 --> 03:16:41.860
just want to talk about selling you a crossbow.

03:16:42.719 --> 03:16:47.280
But with AI -based non -player characters, you'll

03:16:47.280 --> 03:16:49.340
be able to have an elaborate conversation with

03:16:49.340 --> 03:16:51.479
no dialogue tree. Well, that might be the solution

03:16:51.479 --> 03:16:54.739
for meaning for people. Just lock in and you

03:16:54.739 --> 03:16:57.479
could be a fucking vampire and whatever. You

03:16:57.479 --> 03:17:01.340
live in Avatar land. You could do whatever you

03:17:01.340 --> 03:17:03.219
want. You don't have to think about money or

03:17:03.219 --> 03:17:05.940
food. Ready Player One. Yeah, literally. Yeah.

03:17:06.159 --> 03:17:10.040
But with higher living standards. Yeah. You don't

03:17:10.040 --> 03:17:11.959
have to be a little trailer. I mean, I think

03:17:11.959 --> 03:17:15.120
people do want to have some amount of struggle

03:17:15.120 --> 03:17:21.100
or something they want to push against. But it

03:17:21.100 --> 03:17:24.100
could be playing a sports or playing a game or

03:17:24.100 --> 03:17:25.000
something like that. It could be easily playing

03:17:25.000 --> 03:17:26.659
a game. Yeah, yeah. And especially playing a

03:17:26.659 --> 03:17:29.100
game where you're now no longer worried about

03:17:29.100 --> 03:17:32.639
physical attributes, like athletics, like bad

03:17:32.639 --> 03:17:36.139
joints and hips and stuff like that. Now, it's

03:17:36.139 --> 03:17:38.979
completely digital. But yet, you do have meaning

03:17:38.979 --> 03:17:41.040
in pursuing this thing that you're doing all

03:17:41.040 --> 03:17:46.600
day. Whatever the fuck that means. It's going

03:17:46.600 --> 03:17:49.569
to be weird. It's going to be interesting. It's

03:17:49.569 --> 03:17:53.670
going to be very interesting. The most interesting

03:17:53.670 --> 03:17:57.649
and usually ironic outcome is the most likely.

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That's a good predictor of the future. Thank

03:18:02.469 --> 03:18:04.290
you. Thanks for being here. Really appreciate

03:18:04.290 --> 03:18:07.850
your time. I know you're a busy man, so this

03:18:07.850 --> 03:18:12.489
means a lot. Thank you. Bye, everybody.