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like a vision of the future, it's like basically
like the top 20 and even the top 100 is like
totally dominated by China. Really? Yeah, this
is like China and a little bit of Korea and Taiwan.
So are you in the top 20 in the world? Yeah.
Wow, in Diablo. Yeah, yeah. Do you want to tell
everybody your handle? No, no, don't tell them.
Don't tell them. It's not worth it. Well, they
actually listed me with my actual name in the
list. Oh, did they really? Oh, interesting. Yeah,
there's only there's only two Americans in the
top 20 the rest almost everyone that is a from
Asia Otherwise we were talking about something
that I think is a really good because people
always think that video games are frivolous But
what you were saying I think that's really important
is it It's so difficult that it requires you
to only think about that and it can like relieve
stress Yeah, it can take out the rest of the
world because it's so hard. Yeah, you can only
think about that Yeah. I mean, if I play a video
game on extreme difficulty, then I have to concentrate
fully on the game. And it has a calming effect.
Yeah. It sort of chills down. And, I mean, you
mentioned, I think, many people are like, if
you play martial arts or you play pool, like
something that forces you. It's like I think
anything that forces you to concentrate fully
actually has a calming effect. I find it just
sort of like. Kind of a restoring effect. Yeah.
It's good. Jiu -jitsu is like that. Archery is
like that as well. Like when you're shooting
a bow, there's so many moving things, and you
have to think only of it, and it cleans the mind.
It cleans the mind, yeah, exactly. I was reading
this study about surgeons where they found that
surgeons who regularly play video games make
less errors. Well, video games require manual
dexterity, so it makes sense. Completely makes
sense. Actually, if somebody was epic at video
games, I'd say their surgical skill is going
to be very good, because in order to be good
at video games, any kind of fast reaction video
games— Look at this. 32 % fewer errors, 24 %
faster, and scored 26 % better overall than their
non -player colleagues. Oh, I believe that for
sure. Like that, you should be required in medical
school to play video games. Don't you think?
If somebody's like a top -ranked video game player
and they say they're a surgeon, I'd be like plus
one, plus two type of thing. Oh, top -ranked
for sure. But this isn't even top -ranked. This
is just people who play. Well, your manual dexterity
has to be extremely high. So you're looking at
things on a screen. You're reacting and sometimes
you've got like 10 milliseconds to react. Yes.
And so if somebody's got incredible reaction
times and manual dexterity. they're obviously
going to be a good surgeon. Imagine if there
was a course that you could take. That course
would promote, you would be 26 % better. Yeah.
Everyone would have to take that course. Sure.
Why would you want a surgeon that's less prepared?
You would say, hey, Bob, did you take this course?
You didn't take this course. Don't you understand
this course makes you 26 % better? Sure. You
would have to take it. Everyone should have to
play video games if you want to be a surgeon.
Well, I think it certainly would be a very good
test to see if somebody can't play video games
well. That means... Because you've got to move
both hands simultaneously. You've got to react
to something very fast on the screen. And if
your keystrokes or your mouse clicks or whatever
are wrong, then you lose the game. So if somebody
has a good rank in video games, I would say that
they're manual. necessarily their manual dexterity
must be extremely good. Well, it's so hard. Their
fine motor skills have to be excellent. If you
think about StarCraft or any game like Quake,
any game where a lot of people are playing, to
rise to the top, you have to be exceptional,
period, as a human being. There has to be something
exceptional about you. Yeah. Actually, way back
in the day, I was one of the world's best Quake
players. I know. We talked about this. Yeah,
yeah. I loved Quake. Yeah, yeah. In my final
semester in college, I probably put more time
to Quake than all my college classes. When I
was on news radio, all of the writers were super
nerds. They were very, very fun guys. And they
had a LAN set up at the studio where they all
played Quake. I had never played video games.
And I would go in with the writers and just kind
of hang out with them. We'd get silly. And then
we would all start playing video games. playing
Quake against each other, and I got addicted,
like hardcore. I got a T1 line installed in my
house. I went hardcore. Yeah, exactly. You're
checking how many milliseconds of latency you
have. Oh, yeah. I was fully addicted. I was making
my own computers. I was going to Fry's Hardware
and buying motherboards and putting everything
together. It was too much of a time suck, though.
I'm an obsessive person. I can't get involved.
I can't play golf. No, golf is too slow for me.
I mean, a lot of people find golf good. I mean,
I guess if you think of it like it's – I guess
if you're – Saying you're going to walk outdoors
with friends and occasionally hit a ball as an
outdoor walk, then that's cool. And does require
concentration when you're hitting the ball, but
it's too slow for me. Nothing compares to video
games in terms of the amount of feedback you
get. The sensory overload you get when you're
looking at a large, high -resolution screen.
You have a fast computer. You have headphones
on. You're hearing sounds from here and sounds
behind you. Rockets are flying by you. There's
nothing like that. But I think golf still is
like, Jamie will tell you, Jamie's an addict.
He's a golf nut. It's super addictive. And it
takes like eight hours a day. Yes. Once you get
into golf, I think I guess any sport, it gets
super addictive. But for me, the intensity of
video games is hard to beat. Yes. People dismiss
it because they think it's just a waste of time.
But we're showing real -world benefits of people
playing video games. If you want to be a drone
operator, it's the only game in town. Yeah, absolutely.
You have to be really good at video games. Yeah,
for sure. In fact, I can actually tell what my
mental acuity is if I play a very hard video
game. So if I'm trying to get an extremely good
clear time in Diablo or something like that.
Or a first -person shooter, whatever the case
may be. I can tell that I'm tired or my brain's
not working as well as it should. It's like a
mental calibration. You can tell immediately.
How good is your mental state? Right, right.
So if you're trying to play really well, if you
play late at night and you're tired, you just
play badly. Right. And you can say, okay, you
may think that your brain is working well, but
it isn't. Yeah. You play the video game and you're
like, you suck. So, OK. Yeah. You're putting
it under stress. Yeah. You're really stress testing
it. You stress test it. And because like sometimes
like, oh, I think I think I'm fine. But then
you play the game like, OK, I'm not. I'm like
10 percent below what I should be. That's how
I feel about workouts for sure. Like that's how
I knew I had COVID or I knew everyone in my family
had COVID. And I was trying to not get COVID.
And so I was working out. I was like, something's
up. I felt fine normally, but then during exercise,
I was like, okay, I can tell there's something
wrong here. So let's back off, relax. Yeah. Yeah.
It's like people who don't stress test their
mind, they think they're operating on the same
level all the time. Sometimes I come in here
and... I can't form a fucking sentence, and I
don't know what it is. It's like, what is going
on? So it's just like... Maybe it's like, well,
sleep wasn't that good or something like that.
Yeah, something like that. Or I'm too busy, and
it's just, it's not, the words aren't coming
out. Like, I know how to talk. I talk professionally,
and I can't fucking talk. It's like... I mean,
sleep is massive. Huge! Yeah, so if I can tell
me, did I get a good night's sleep or not, if
I just play, like, a video game for, like, five
minutes. I'm like, okay, my sleep wasn't that
good. Sometimes your brain will recover through
the day, and it's like, okay, an hour or two
after waking up, it's better. Because your brain
does kind of recover from bad nights of sleep
a little bit. Do you know what really helps?
Creatine, apparently. Does it? Yeah. Creatine
is actually a nootropic, believe it or not. There's
a lot of benefits of creatine that are really
weird. Are there any downsides? No, no. It's
a natural part of food. Yeah, yeah. Especially
women. For women, apparently, especially postmenopausal
women, it's very beneficial. But there's a lot
of cognitive benefits. And one of the big ones
that they found recently is performance when
sleep deprived. Mental performance when sleep
deprived increases pretty measurably. when you
supplement with creatine. Is creatine naturally
occurring in steak? Yeah, it's naturally occurring
in meat, I think. I think that's where it's coming
from. I think it's primarily an animal -based
thing. I did switch to steak and eggs for breakfast,
and I found that's like a power -up. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, well, we're all overrun with carbohydrates.
Yeah, yeah, totally. Carbohydrates make this
big crash, the rise and the crash, the rise and
the crash. You stay flat if you eat a primarily
high -protein, high -fat diet. Your body runs
off ketosis, essentially. I just have steak and
eggs, no bread or anything. It's great. It's
great, actually. It's a power -up, I'd say. People
dismiss this whole carnivore diet thing because
in our heads there's a lot of propagandists that
put this thing out there that animal agriculture
is the number one contributor to global warming.
Yeah, it's rubbish. Bullshit. It's not true.
Bullshit. It's hot bullshit. It doesn't matter.
Not only is it hot bullshit, but the real problem
is factory farming. Regenerative farming is carbon
neutral if it doesn't sequester carbon. The animals
are not going to make any difference to global
warming. Like none. No, it's horseshit. Zero,
zero, zero, zero, nothing. Do you think that
that's just propaganda because of people that
have a vested interest in like plant -based meat
products and things along those lines, green
energy? I think that's part of it. You know,
you're generally going to get people pushing
to avoid meat. Like some people just, you know,
maybe they've got a financial interest. Maybe
they're just like vegetarians or vegans or whatever.
Ideological interests. Ideological reasons. But
it's not going to make any difference. to global
warming or, you know, the CO2 concentration in
the atmosphere, really, if people eat fewer steaks.
It doesn't matter. It's irrelevant. Irrelevant.
I want to just be super clear about that. Yeah.
It will not matter. You will not even be able
to measure it, okay? That's how irrelevant it
is. Isn't it funny that that's... Unmeasurable.
Irrelevant. That's heretic speaking. Like, that's
crazy talk now. Nowadays, it's like you have
to say that we have to eat less meat. No. That
meat is bad. You can totally eat as much meat
as you want. It's not going to make a difference.
Sing it! Sing it. Tell the world. Yeah, absolutely.
And if somebody says it does make a difference,
I'm like, how will you measure it? And if you
can't even measure it, then it's bullshit. Yeah.
Literally, I won't be able to measure it. Well,
there's so much bullshit out there. First of
all, thank you so much. for buying Twitter. Thank
you so much. I'm not exaggerating when I think
you changed the course of history. I really do.
I really think you made a fork in the road. We
were headed down a path of censorship and of
control of narratives that is unprecedented.
Forget about what they were able to do back when
they had newspapers and the media under control.
What they were doing with social media by suppressing
information and when you had a combined government
effort, like what they were doing with the laptop
story. We have 51 former intelligence agents
saying that this is Russian disinformation. Take
it offline. And Twitter complied. If you didn't
buy that, we wouldn't have known that. We had
no idea. Exactly. The reason I bought it was
because I'm pretty attuned. I was the most interacted
with user on Twitter before the acquisition.
Before the acquisition, I had more interactions.
There are some accounts like Obama and whatever
had higher follower accounts, but I had the most
number of interactions of any account in the
system. I was very attuned to if they change
the system, I can tell immediately. And I'm like,
something weird is going on here. I just got
increasingly uneasy. And obviously when they
deplatformed a sitting president, deplatformed
Trump, that was just insane. And the things he
was posting, he was posting good things. He was
saying like, hey, do not riot. Don't do any destruction
of property. Please stay calm. That's the kind
of stuff he was posting. And you're like, what's
wrong with that? And then some people said, oh,
that's like some sort of dog whistle. He means
the opposite. I'm like, okay, so we'll give you
Trump's account. Now you post what you think
you should post. Because he can post nothing.
He can ask people to calm down. Like what? It
was insane. Like it didn't make any sense. Well,
it's completely illogical when you say it's dog
whistling to tell his followers to not be violent.
Yes. That's crazy. Crazy. That's crazy. Crazy.
Don't you think they'll listen to him? Yeah.
Isn't that the whole point? They listened to
him and created violence in the first place?
That's what you think. Yes, exactly. That's what
you're accusing him of. Right. And then there's
the fact that we know that there was agents in
the crowd that were agent provocateurs that were
encouraging people to do illegal shit. Yes. We
know that for a fact. This is not... That was
always the big... Alex Jones type tinfoil hat
conspiracy theory. Because Alex proposed that
back at the World Trade Organization protests.
I believe we're in Seattle in the 90s. And they
sent in agent provocateurs, started smashing
things, lighting things on fire. Now all of a
sudden a peaceful protest is no longer peaceful.
They move in the cops. They shut everything down.
They had it set up where it was a no protest
zone where you couldn't even have a pin that
had the WTO with a red line through it. They
wouldn't let you go in through to go to work.
So you couldn't exercise your First Amendment
rights. You couldn't even, like, have a peaceful
protest, a fucking sticker on your car. You couldn't
have that. It's crazy. It is crazy. So, no, I
think we're very much at a fork in the road in
destiny. And, you know, so, I mean, the reason
I did the Twitter acquisition was like, it's
like, man, if I don't do this, I think we're
screwed is the issue. Well, if you didn't do
it, no one else was going to do it because it
wasn't a financial winner. It was kind of a crazy
move. It's a crazy move. I mean, the thing was
way overpriced. And, you know, long term, I think
we can ultimately make it a win for investors.
But, boy, this is a hard way to make a living.
Well, there's also a concerted effort to suppress
it. There's a concerted effort with the advertisers.
I still have a massive advertiser boycott that
was organized by a bunch of left -wing NGOs.
Like, you know, and you always want, and I should
have brought my, I have a hat, make all well
fiction again. I've seen that hat. Yeah. I should
have brought, I was going to wear my, I should
have brought my make all well fiction hat again.
But, yeah, I mean, it's just totally, totally
nuts. So. If you didn't do it, no one would have.
And here's the hilarious narrative that I keep
hearing from idiots. Elon's a bad businessman.
Twitter is worth 400 % less than when he bought
it. No, it wasn't worth that in the first place.
It wasn't worth that in the first place. It wasn't
worth $44 billion, you fucking morons. Like,
wrong. And also, you're not taking into account
the advertiser boycott. Exactly. That's total
bullshit. Yeah, exactly. So there are these organizations.
You can tell they're like when they have an Orwellian
name. So like the Center for Countering Digital
Hate is a total scam organization because they're
like the Ministry of Truth type of thing in Orwell.
They're a censorship organization. Yeah. And
they pushed the advertisers to boycott. So we
still have – like some of the boycott is starting
to lift. And I think if Trump wins, we'll see
probably – Most of the boycott lived. But if
Kamala wins, we'll see that boycott get stronger.
And they'll friggin' shut down. There's no way
that the sort of Kamala Puppet regime would allow
X to exist. You really think that they'll be
able to shut it down, though? Is there a pathway
to that? Yes. What would they do? Well, I mean,
they can just, they can stick the DOJ on, you
know, and say like... They've had this whole
thing about hate speech, misinformation, whatever,
except they're the ones pushing the misinformation.
But that doesn't stop them from filing massive
lawsuits and using the DOJ. The DOJ has been
attacking SpaceX, for example, for not hiring
asylum seekers, even though it is legal for SpaceX
to hire anyone who is not a permanent resident
of the U .S. So we're damned if we do and damned
if we don't. Just an example of what DOJ can
do. So it's illegal to hire someone who's not
an American citizen? SpaceX is considered an
advanced weapons technology. So it's covered
by international traffic and arms regulations
because we make rocket technology that can be
used against the United States. It's like if
North Korea or Iran got SpaceX rocket technology,
they could use that to launch nukes at America.
Right. That would be bad. Yeah. That would be
really bad. That would be really bad. Since we
are in the most extreme category of weapons technology
at SpaceX, under US ITAR law, it is illegal for
us to hire anyone who's not a permanent resident.
Because the presumption is that if they're not
a permanent resident, they're going to return
to their home country and take the rocket technology
with them. So it's illegal for us to hire anyone
who's not a permanent resident. They can have
a green card or be a citizen. They just have
to be a permanent resident of the United States.
Then there's another law that says if you discriminate
against asylum seekers, you're also breaking
the law. So the DOJ can only do a small number
of big lawsuits every year. They launched a giant
lawsuit against SpaceX saying that SpaceX discriminated
against asylum seekers. And we're like, but it's
illegal for us to hire anyone who's not a permanent
resident. So we're in this, like, this is what
I mean. It's like, oh, well, the oh, well situation
is getting insane. Like, you're damned if you
do, and you're damned if you don't. So you're
damned. Can you imagine history looking back
at... When you watch the robot arms catch the
rocket and you realize, like, this is, like,
one of the greatest accomplishments in the history
of aerospace. Like, it is one of the wildest
accomplishments. When you watch that thing come
and you see all those people cheering and it
catches it perfectly, like, holy shit. Imagine
how history is going to look back at the DOJ
going after that company. Yeah. How insane it
is. It was a big lawsuit with an army of lawyers.
Like, this was not, like, some minor thing. But
it doesn't even make any sense logically. How
can it even get brought to court if it's illegal?
Exactly. So that's what I mean. Basically, if
the government wants to go after you, they'll
just find a reason. It's like that famous quote
from Beria. So Stalin's chief torturer, the head
of Stalin's secret police, and he's like chief
torturer, truly evil human being, like this guy
Beria. One of his famous quotes was, show me
the man and I'll show you the crime. Right. They
decide that you're the target and then they figure
out the crime afterwards. That's the issue. They
decided SpaceX was the target. They just figured
out the crime afterwards. Which is so crazy because
that's exactly what they're saying Trump is going
to do if he gets into office. They're doing all
the things that they accuse Trump of doing. Yeah.
Openly. Openly. Yeah. I mean, the sheer number
of hoaxes that the Democratic Party is pushing.
Over and over again. And it's like, look, I understand
like politicians are going to exaggerate. They're
going to misspeak. And they'll tell occasional
untruths, whatever. That's how it is in politics.
But when you have deliberate, concerted, repeated
pushing of hoaxes. You're like, wait a second.
Like, come on, man. This is too far. And you're
supposed to be the good guys. And you claim to
be the good guys? I'm like, exactly. You're supposed
to be the progressives. Yes, the Dems are like,
oh, we're the good guys. We're the honest people.
No, no, hang on. You can't claim to be the good
guys. You can't claim to be the honest people
if you're deliberately pushing hoaxes that have
been debunked thoroughly. Yeah. Like even Snopes,
which is a liberal thing, says it's bogus. Yeah.
Like the fine people hoax. Obama just said that
on stage. Obama just said that. I was like, what
the flying fuck? He doesn't give a fuck. He doesn't
give a fuck. They're just going for it. That's
a flat out goddamn fucking lie. Flat out lie.
Flat out fucking lie. How about the other one
where Kamala's campaign used what Trump was saying
about protecting women from illegal immigrants?
Thank you. You remember that? What he was saying
is if the women like it or not, I'm going to
do it. Yeah. When he was saying that, they were
trying to say that he was taking away women's
right to choose whether women like it or not.
Like that's not what he was saying. Absolutely.
He was literally talking about protecting them
from dangerous people that are sneaking in through
the border. Yes, exactly. They'll take like not
even a full sentence, like a half a sentence
from Trump. Yes. And then they'll push it. On
every ad, every speaking event, every media.
And it gets repeated on the news. Yes. This is
what's crazy. They'll talk about it on these
new shows, quote, new shows. Yeah, exactly. I
mean, a recent one that came up, which had a
lot of people, because a lot of people reached
out to me, it was like. They're like, oh, Trump
says he wants to execute Liz Cheney. I'm like,
that is utter bullshit. It's not what he said
at all. It's not what he said at all. All he
said was like – what he's saying is that, look,
if Liz Cheney actually had to fight at the front
lines, she'd think twice about going to war.
Exactly. Like it's easy to go to war. It's easy
to be a warmonger if you don't have to risk dying
at the front lines. Like if other like basically
it's fucked up if people are having like fancy
dinners in Washington, D .C., while people are
being slaughtered in trenches. You know, it's
like you're not feeling the pain. Exactly. You're
not taking the risk. It's someone else dying.
That's like that's that's cruel and lacking in
empathy. And all Trump was saying was that it's
like Liz Cheney would be much Liz Cheney would
be much less of a warmonger because she's a huge
warmonger. Just like her dad. If she actually
had to go to the front lines and fight herself.
And meanwhile, they're saying that he should
he's saying she should be shot. Yes, which is
a total lie. And I had like tons of people call
me this weekend saying, oh, Trump says he's going
to put his training in a firing squad. Like that
is an outrageous lie. And legacy media ran with
that lie big time. Yeah, it's crazy. It's just
wild to see. And if it wasn't for Twitter. Or
X now. I don't think we would know about all
this stuff. I think it would be very difficult
for you. I think YouTube throttled. They did
something weird. They won't say what they did,
but they did something weird with the Trump interview
that I did. Yeah. Where you couldn't find it.
It doesn't make sense. It made no sense. I mean,
it was like the biggest interview on earth. Yeah.
And you can't find it? Yeah. Not only that, it
wasn't trending. Bullshit. It wasn't trending.
It wasn't trending. It wasn't trending. You're
like. Like, there's just no excuse for that,
man. No excuse. There's no excuse. It was getting
a million views. What was it? 1 .4 an hour at
one point in time? 1 .5. 1 .5 an hour. Yeah.
And it wasn't trending. Yeah. And it's like your
channel is a known channel. It's not like it
was started yesterday. It's like... Yeah. It's
like... Yours is a high -trust channel. You're
not trying to scam crypto coins. Well, thank
God we put it on X as well. Because I think just
with your account and my account alone, it's
like 70 million views. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's
like you can't hide things anymore because of
you. And if it wasn't for you, I think they would
have had total control of social media by now.
Yeah. They banned so many accounts during the
pandemic, so many dissenting scientists and doctors
and physicians. They banned so many conspiracy
theorists, so many people that colored outside
the lines. They would have done that everywhere.
And it probably would have. I think even what's
going on at Facebook, they're they're being more
lenient. You know, you hear. Zuckerberg talking
about taking a more libertarian stance. That's
entirely reaction to the way Twitter has kind
of moved the watermark. Exactly. So as soon as
any company steps out of line and is willing
to actually have the truth debated on their platform,
it forces the other platforms to allow things
to be more truthful to not censor because their
censorship becomes glaringly obvious. Yes. Yes.
And, you know, the best thing I found for. as
a rebuttal, like if there's a hoax, is just go
to the source material. If somebody thinks, you
know, Trump said that we should put Liz Cheney
in a firing squad, I'm like, let me send you
a link to X so you can watch his video. That's
the best way. Don't take my opinion for it. Don't
take anyone's opinion for it. Go to the source
material. And Community Notes. Yes, and Community
Notes is awesome. Community Notes is the best.
It's awesome. It's incredible because everybody
gets checked. Yes, including me. Yeah. And with
community notes, all the software is open source
and all the data is open source. So you can recreate
any given note independently. That's amazing.
Yeah. That's how it should be. It's total, absolute
transparency in every way. You know, sometimes
I get asked, like, oh, can you remove a note?
You know, mostly by the left, but sometimes by
the right. I'm like. I'm like, I don't even remove
notes on my own account. Nothing. And by the
way, everything is totally open. So if I did
that, it would stick out like a sore thumb. Immediately.
Like, it's not going to be subtle. That is the
best counter to misinformation. Yes, absolutely.
Like, let everybody look at it and say, okay,
here's what the actual facts say. Yes, exactly.
The counter to misinformation is better information.
Not just that, but having it checked in real
time by the community. So you have millions of
people that can go over it and debate whether
or not this is true or that's true. Yes. And
like I said, the best way to understand the truth
of things is don't take anyone's opinion for
it. Look at it. the source material you know
so it's like look at what someone actually said
look at what someone actually did look at the
real videos of the situation and and then you
can actually you'll know what's real So as of
today, when you were literally on your way here,
you sent me this text saying that they're trying
to lock you up in jail in Pennsylvania. Tell
me what the fuck is happening. Well, you know,
there's the classic sort of Soros DA situation.
So we're making a lot of progress in Pennsylvania.
So, you know, I've given a whole bunch of talks
throughout the state because Pennsylvania is
the linchpin in this election. You know, whoever
wins Pennsylvania wins the election. So I've
been giving – I spent three years in Pennsylvania.
I went to college in Philadelphia. So it's not
like I'm a total stranger to the state. I spent
three years there. And we've organized this petition
in support of the Constitution, which I think
is a good thing, and specifically asking people
to – and we wanted this to be like – registered
voters in swing states. Basically, we want to
send a message to the politicians to say that
the people care about the Constitution because
there have been all these attacks on the Constitution.
Especially on the Democrat side, they've been
repeatedly saying that the First Amendment is
an obstacle. And they're claiming, oh, the First
Amendment is enabling disinformation, misinformation.
And I'm like, yo, there's a reason for the First
Amendment. Like, freedom of speech, the reason
that the founders of the country put The freedom
of speech there is because they came from countries
where if you spoke your mind, you would get shot
or imprisoned. That's why the First Amendment
exists. And the Second Amendment is there to
stop the tyranny of government. The Second Amendment,
the right to bear arms, is there to protect freedom
of speech. You know, and I've had these debates,
especially with people in L .A., because they're
like, we're going to take everyone's guns away.
And I'm like, yo, can you guarantee me that the
government, that we will never have a tyrannical
government in the United States? Can you make
that guarantee? They're like, well, nobody can
make that guarantee. I'm like, then we need to
keep our guns because that's what's going to
stop it. That sounds crazy for people to hear
because they think about gun violence and gun
problems and gun this and gun that. That's the
reality of the world that we live in is that
tyranny is possible and it exists other places
and it's slowly existing. It's slowly rearing
its head in the UK. You're seeing. I think the
number of people that have been arrested for
just social media posts is bananas. It's in the
thousands. Yes. Several thousand people have
been given prison sentences in the UK for social
media posts where there was no explicit link
to actual violence. But they just said it encouraged
violence. Like, well, did anyone actually do
anything as a result of that? Media Post will
know. And then they have a prison overcrowding
situation in the UK. So they're quite literally
releasing convicted pedophiles and putting people
in jail for Facebook posts. That's an actual
thing happening in Britain. That is so wild.
Like it's – you're like what the fuck is going
on? And what's insane to me is that – Make Orwell
fiction again. Yeah. But it's all being encouraged
by the left. Katanji Brown Jackson. John Kerry.
John Kerry was one of the people who said that
– he's on camera like a few weeks ago saying
that the First Amendment is an obstacle to fighting
misinformation. Yeah. It's crazy. It's such a
crazy thing to say when you have a solution.
in community notes you have a solution in something
that that could clear everything up any confusion
within a day or two and and even without a community
note you can reply to a post and with evidence
that that that shows that the post is wrong you
don't even need community notes i mean community
is helpful because it sticks to the original
note yes but in the replies you can say here's
why you're wrong here are the reasons and here's
the evidence but the argument is that people
are too unsophisticated that they're not going
to research these things they're going to be
a victim of misinformation so they're going to
read something that's incorrect. They're going
to run with it. People are going to die. We're
going to ruin the world because people believed
in misinformation. It's a stupid argument. It's
a stupid argument. Because it's an argument that
they're too dumb to know what's right or wrong.
If you know, because you're saying it's misinformation,
why do you think that you're smarter than everybody
who reads that? Exactly. And obviously anyone
on the X system knows that. Things are posted
and then there are replies and there are rebuttals
and it's immediately corrected. But where are
the corrections for the legacy media? Right.
You know, when if, you know, some broadcast media,
they say false things all the time, but it's
a one way street. There's no rebuttal. There's
no counter. Right. Right. Who's apologized for
being incorrect about what? Did Rachel Maddow
ever apologize for telling everybody that if
you get the COVID vaccine, you're never going
to get COVID? The virus stops with you. Never.
Never. It was not true at the time. There was
no evidence to support it at the time. It's pure
propaganda. And she said it. The Russiagate hoax.
For three fucking years, they said that he was
Putin's toy and that Putin had him compromised.
The Steele dossier. The Steele dossier was completely
fabricated by a lawyer at Perkins Coie who was
paid by the Clinton campaign. Literally. Crazy.
And still people think the Russia hoax is real.
And there's no repercussions. There's no one
had to apologize. Hillary never came out and
apologized for that. And people still listen
to her. The whole thing is crazy. And it's all
coming from the left, which growing up as a person
who was in the left my whole life, it doesn't
make any fucking sense. Same. I mean, I was on
the left until like three years ago. It's not
the left anymore. It's not the left anymore.
Like, we obviously want, I mean, I believe, like,
we want freedom. Like, we want to maximize personal
liberty. I think we want to be kind to people.
You know, we want to have empathy. But it's very
important to have personal freedom and a merit
-based society. And the left wants to oppress
your freedoms, especially freedom of speech.
And they want to have a non -merit -based society.
with race -based and sex -based preferences.
And it's like, well, wait a second. No, we just
want people to succeed based on their skills
and their hard work. And if they don't want people
to express themselves about particular issues,
then they're not doing the will of the people.
And if they're trying to suppress people's ability
to communicate, they're only doing that because
they want to do things that people don't want
them to do. And they want to silence opposition.
That's all it is. And the fact that people can't
see that and they want to call Trump a fascist.
The whole thing is through the looking glass.
I mean, it's like one hoax after another that
they're perpetrating against Trump. I mean, like
they try to call the rally at Madison Square
Gardens like a Nazi rally. I'm like, yo, there
was like literally an Israeli flag in the audience.
I think like a quarter of the speakers were Jewish.
Like there were people of every race, color,
creed, religion at that rally. Like tell me what
about that is Nazi? And yet it was portrayed
as a Nazi rally. Well, MSNBC, they literally
showed video of the Nazi rally from the 1930s
and then compared it to the Trump rally. Now,
ignoring the fact that fucking Jimmy Carter spoke
there. There have been dozens of political rallies
at Madison Square Gardens, dozens on the Democrat
side. Like people on X were like – and here's
– exactly. Here's Jimmy Carter and here's – And
a Nazi rally. And here's – wait a second. Actually,
it looks like every presidential candidate has
done a – on the Democrat side has done a rally
at Madison Square Gardens. Are they Nazis too?
But what they're doing is they're preying on
low -information voters who aren't engaged actively
on social media, who don't have the time to look
through everything. Exactly. Yeah. Like, if people
are just looking at legacy mainstream media,
then they have a totally different worldview
than if they're on X and seeing the actual flow
of argument and the actual evidence. Well, what
was the pushback? Like, what happened when you
guys released the Twitter files? Because I think
the Twitter files is probably one of the most
important things in this age of information for
understanding the influence that government has
on social media and on discourse. Because when
we found out that that was the case. the government
was actually asking Twitter to remove posts that
were factual. Yeah, all the time. They did the
same thing to Facebook. They had them throttle
pieces of one of Tucker Carlson's show. They
suppressed the views by 50%. Yeah. Factual information.
Yeah. No, there was massive government interference
in Twitter. But Twitter welcomed it. That's important.
All Twitter welcomed it. I mean, all Twitter
was controlled by far -left activists. Yeah.
And they welcomed the government interference.
They got paid by the government for it. That's
crazy. They got paid for their time, correct?
Yeah, they got paid millions of dollars for suppressing
information. And a bunch of it was flat out illegal.
The FBI had this sort of magic portal into the
Twitter system. But all of the communication
in this portal was auto -deleted after two weeks,
which breaks federal FOIA laws. So we don't even
know what was said because it was all deleted
after two weeks. That's insane. Yeah. That's
so crazy. It's so crazy that people thought that
was okay. It's super not okay. No, it's super
not okay. It's unconstitutional, and no one would
want that. No one would want the government to
have that kind of access. Exactly. And what was
the blowback like when all that stuff got released?
You had to anticipate that there was going to
be problems when you released that. What happened?
Well, we did lose a lot of advertising dollars.
Which is crazy because it's essentially like
one of the most important forms of journalism
is exposing government corruption. Yes. I mean
this is the weird thing. It's like the left used
to be big on exposing government corruption.
But once they control the government, they no
longer want to expose the government corruption.
Right. They want to pretend that the left -wing
government's incapable of corruption because
we're on the good side. I think it may be just
like whoever's in power kind of doesn't want
the other side heard. Because as you pointed
out, the left historically, up until, I don't
know, maybe even 10 years ago or something like
that, was the free speech party. And now it's
the anti -free speech party. And they use words
like... Like, oh, well, we have to be against
hate speech and misinformation, disinformation.
But these are propaganda words. It's like, well,
who's defining hate speech? Who's defining misinformation?
The government. Do you really trust the government
to make that definition? The whole point of the
First Amendment is like, do not trust the government.
Well, especially when they're wrong and there's
no repercussions. Like with the whole lab leak
theory, you would get kicked off of YouTube if
you even presented this argument that, hey, maybe
that coronavirus lab where they're doing work
on the exact same virus that got released. Yep.
Hey, maybe that's where it came from since that's
where the virus started. What do you think, guys?
Yeah. They kick you right off of YouTube. Yeah.
Yes, exactly. It's like, do you think maybe?
It could have come from a place called the novel
coronavirus. research institute like that john
stewart bit that he did on colbert that was amazing
what does it say on the door again uh can i see
your business card and to see colbert like resisting
it with every fiber of his being what's gonna
happen to us he was totally cock blocking the
bit to the point where john stewart got off his
chair and started walking around trying to take
control yeah and then the left tried to cancel
john stewart of course yeah meanwhile he was
right he's right and no apologies no apologies
Yeah, and you know the whole Fauci thing, like
any criticism of Fauci. It's like anti -science.
Fauci's a freaking demon if you ask me. If you
read RFK's book, the real Anthony Fauci, if that's
correct, if the facts are in there that's true,
it's all referenced, you could find the sources
and on top of it, he's never been sued for that
book, which doesn't make any sense. If he just
made a bunch of lies up, he would get sued. Yes.
So the guy's a monster. I think so. Yeah, I think
so too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think like just...
Looking at the lies that he told, the way he
tried to define gain -of -function research to
Rand Paul. I think maybe a lot of people out
there don't realize Fauci funded the bioweapons
research that was going on in Wuhan. He bank
shot it off. You can't send the money directly
to China, so he just bank shot it off EcoHealth,
this fake nonprofit in the U .S., and they sent
it to Wuhan. And Obama put the skids on that.
He stopped that in 2014. I mean, so, you know,
to give Obama some credit, he actually was like
looking at this and saying, hey, this is crazy.
And so he actually did stop the so -called gain
of function, again, a propaganda word, because
what is the function they're talking about? Death.
Right. So if you actually use the right word,
this is, gain -of -function is death maximization.
Right. Then you're like, oh, hey guys, should
we fund bioweapon research into death maximization?
Because that's what gain -of -function means.
Yeah, it means making a disease so that people
can get it. Give it to people. And by the way,
what's that function again? Oh, the function
is death. Oh, okay. So just call it a death maximizing
virus. If you're doing research on that and the
idea behind this research is so that we can cure
these things. How come you don't have a fucking
cure? Start with a cure. Cure first, disease
second. It doesn't make any sense. Like you guys
had no strategy for dealing with it if it got
out? And so you have to make up this new vaccine
in record time, Operation Warp Speed, release
it to the people with very little testing. It's
fucking crazy. It was crazy. The whole thing's
crazy, and everybody just went along with it.
Looney Tunes next level. Well, the PSYOP was
fascinating to watch people step in line. That's
like one of the biggest PSYOPs of all time. Of
all time. Of all time. Of all time. And everybody
got in line. And when you take it back to when
pharmaceutical drug companies were able to advertise
on media in the 1990s, that changed everything.
We're one of two countries in the whole world
that allows this. And because of that, because
we don't have socialized medicine, it's a complete
profit scam. And they went hard. Claiming all
sorts of things that were never researched. All
sorts of things that are not supported by data.
Like the fact that it would stop transmission.
The fact that it would stop infection. The fact
that it was safe for pregnant women. The fact
that it was safe for children. All of it's bullshit.
Yes. And they pushed it on the whole world. And
if you didn't say that at a cocktail party, you
were a pariah. Yes. And you were an anti -vaxxer.
It was totally psycho. It was like being a Holocaust
denier. You got kicked out of polite society.
Fuck you bananas. And I should say. I'm actually
generally pro -vaccine overall. I think we should
look at these things. But I believe in the scientific
method. So you never blanket accept anything.
You never blanket accept that any... any given
medication or any given treatment is 100 % good,
you should always deal with some skepticism.
Especially when you're getting the data from
pharmaceutical drug companies that have a long
history of criminal conduct. They've got a vested
interest in the research. It's sort of like asking
tobacco companies about whether smoking is dangerous.
It's exactly the same thing. According to our
scientists, everything's fine. They lied in court
forever. The same thing they did with OxyContin.
They said that it wasn't addictive. They have
a long history of being full of shit if it makes
them money. And that's what they do. That's their
business. They've literally lost multi -billion
dollar lawsuits. Massive. You have amazing scientists,
right? You have these clinical researchers, these
people that develop these incredible drugs, and
this is their job. Their job is to figure out
some new way to cure something, some new way
to stop things. And then you have the money people.
And the problem is when you have this one thing
that You would assume they're only doing it to
help people. And then they have this other faction
that just numbers people. And all they give a
fuck about is maximizing profits and making sure
they literally have an obligation to their shareholders.
They have to make the most amount of money possible.
And so they just want to push it on everybody.
Like the Vioxx scandal. There's internal emails
showing they knew there was going to be cardiovascular
events. People were going to get strokes. And
they're like, I think we're still going to do
well. And they did. They made like. $12 billion,
they got fined seven, and 50 to 60 ,000 people
died. Holy shit. Yeah. One of them was a friend
of mine got a stroke. And died? Yeah, no, he
didn't die. He lived, but he was a really healthy
guy. He was an athlete. But he was like not the
same after his eyes. Yeah, he had knee problems,
and he took Vioxx, and all of a sudden he was
slurring his words, and he couldn't concentrate,
and people were like, I think you're having a
fucking stroke, and they took him to the hospital.
And then you have this giant class action lawsuit,
and then Vioxx gets pulled from the market, and
they get sued, and the whole thing's fucking
crazy. But there's a long history of this. I
think, what is the number? Like one -third of
the drugs that the FDA approves gets pulled?
fucking bananas that's crazy that's crazy you're
shitty at one third of the things that you say
are okay but yet you're trying to stop mdma therapy
for veterans yeah they should let mdma through
honestly I think that would actually help a lot
of people. It would help a lot of people. It
would help a lot of people. There's a lot of
different therapies, specifically psilocybin,
Ibogaine. The fact that you have to go to Mexico
to get Ibogaine therapy for veterans. So many
guys I've talked to have gone over there, and
it's like completely giving them a clean slate,
refresh their mind, and totally new perspective
on life, alleviated depression, cured addictions.
Illegal. Illegal. Oxycontin, go get it. Yeah.
And I know some people who, like, their life
was ruined by OxyContin. Oh, yeah. Because, I
mean, it really depends on, you know, somebody's
individual biochemistry. Like, to me, like, opioids
are not addictive to me. Like, you know, I've
had them when I've had operations or something,
and they barely affect my pain level, and they
make me, like, itchy and uncomfortable. They
make me stupid. Exactly. But I'm like, so, like...
Like, I could never get addicted to alcohol or
opioids. It's just impossible. Like, because
my biochemistry just does not have... But I love
tasty food. I feel like, you know, if there's...
I'm addicted to tasty food, sure. But I have
a whole wall of alcohol that's there for decoration.
I feel the same way. I could easily quit alcohol.
I mean, I'll go weeks without having a drink.
It doesn't bother me at all. But I know some
people, they have one drink and they're off to
the races. And that's the difference in the biochemical
differences that we all have. I mean, I think
that's the case with a lot of addictions. I'm
not addicted to gambling, but I get it. I see
it. I've seen it in people. I have this aversion
to things that I know are going to ruin my life.
That's why I've never tried cocaine. I just saw
too many people. It looks too fun. I don't want
to get involved. I think generally for any given
drug, legal or illegal, the question is... Can
you complete the following sentence? Blank made
me a better person. Meth. Like I've never heard
anyone say meth made them a better person or
cocaine made them a better person. No. Ever.
Made a lot of soldiers better, I think. Yeah.
I mean, if you're doing, if you're like, if your
soldiers need to march for three days in a row.
Yeah. It's really good for that. Effective at
that, you know. People give France a hard time
about capitulating in World War II. But you know
what's worse than Nazis? Nazis on meth. Meth
on Nazis. They're not stopping. Norman Ohler
wrote this book. They'll have like six bullets.
They're still coming. That book over there, Blitzed,
is all about the use of methamphetamines and
the different drugs that they gave their soldiers.
The guys at the front of the line, they gave
the most meth. Yes. They have different dosages.
Yeah. I mean, you just basically think you're
invulnerable on meth. And so it's one thing,
like I said, it's one thing to have the Nazis
coming after you. But Nazis on meth, you're like,
holy shit, those fuckers are not stopping me.
For three days. They're not stopping. It's so
crazy. Yeah. Yeah, that's not a statement, meth
made me a better person, that you hear very often.
I've never heard that before. No, you hear a
lot of psilocybin advocates. You hear a lot of
people that talk about psychedelics. Exactly.
I've actually heard many people say that LSD.
or mushrooms or MDMA made them a better person.
Many people. So that's why I'm like, I think
a rule for the FDA should be like, hey, look,
if you can complete the sentence, legal or illegal,
that blank made you a better person, actually,
then you got a good drug. And if you can't, you
got a bad drug. Also, if there's drugs that are
available right now that can absolutely ruin
people's lives, the rationalization for stopping
other drugs that might ruin people's lives but
also can help a lot of people's lives, it doesn't
make any sense. It's basically the same thing
as censorship. You're taking away people's ability
to discern what's true and not true. And you're
taking away people's ability to discern what's
good for you and not good for you. And the way
to find that out is to have as much information
as possible. So to do research and actually to
have. unbiased, actual objective observers who
are looking at all this stuff that give you real
data. Yes. The opposite of that or the counter
is like if you don't do that, you're empowering
cartels. Yes. That's the whole reason why they
have all that money. It's because it's illegal
to sell these drugs in America. The demand is
never going away. So instead of like limiting
the amount of drugs, now you've got toxic drugs
because fentanyl and all this other shit because
they're not pure. So you're just killing people.
You're not saving anybody by protecting them
from themselves. True. But it's a tricky situation
because what do you do? Like if you just like
say, OK, now everyone can sell all these people
that have been selling boner pills. Now you can
sell meth. Like, holy shit. You get the double
combo with the Viagra. It's a Viagra and a meth.
Right. Jesus Christ. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
Well, I mean, how many people are already doing
that right now with Adderall and Viagra? A bunch
of people are doing that. Yeah. There's a lot
of people out there that are essentially on meth.
especially people that abuse Adderall, they're
basically amphetamined up all day long. Yeah,
Adderall is low -grade amphetamine. Yeah. I have
actually seen people become much worse people
if they take too much Adderall, like much worse.
It's like an anger amplifier. Yes. Now, I'm not
saying – like Adderall is something like where
there are pluses and minuses. It's not a clear
-cut issue. It does help some people a great
deal. But in higher doses, man, that stuff I've
seen people turn into just raging monsters on
high doses of Adderall. They're just angry, like
extremely angry all the time. Yeah. They're messed
up. Yeah. That's what happens if you take meth.
It's crazy. Myth turns you into a freaking rage
demon. And so many prescriptions. And I'm like,
Jesus. We Googled it. One year, there was like
39 million prescriptions for Adderall in this
country. Oh, yeah. And like once in a while there's
like an Adderall shortage and like there's like
widespread panic, you know. And then what do
people do? And then it's the same thing as like
when they tried to like limit the amount of Oxycontin.
Well, people go to street heroin. And if you're
addicted to Adderall and your dealer, the guy
who sells you weed is like, hey, man, I can get
you like low -grade meth, like the stuff the
Nazis took. Well, they had high -grade meth.
Actually, they had pharmaceutical -grade. They
had epic meth. It was like made by – like pharmaceutical
-grade meth is going to be – I mean, if you just
look at the freaking online Wikipedia page, but
there's like many different versions of meth,
like not all the same. And they have different
effects. But like pharmaceutical grade pure meth,
you are going to be, oh my God, super productive
for a certain period of time. And you're not
going to sleep for a while. And then you will
have some anger management issues. So like they
actually – the Nazis, they did actually roll
back how much meth they were using because they
had quite a few incidents of the soldiers killing
their officers because they were on too much
meth. Jesus Christ. Too many officers got dragged
by their platoon that was on too much meth. That
happened quite a few times. When someone's on
a lot of meth, they can get very angry. Did you
ever pay attention to when John McAfee was cooking
meth in a lab in his backyard? I'm actually quite
a character. He was a character character. We
had him on the podcast when he was on the run
So he called in from an undisclosed location
when he was running from where was he Costa Rica?
Is that where he was Belize Belize? Right. So
when he was running from the authorities, yeah,
he called in we had him on the podcast on the
run and I was asking him about these posts like
because there was an online account that was
linked to him where he had this very detailed
laboratory like super sophisticated. Yeah The
best math. Like a super genius cooking math.
I mean, I think he had this lab. He was making
a wide range of drugs. And I talked to actually
a reporter who went down and interviewed him
in Belize. And Portsmouth Man, that's one of
the scariest things. He was quite terrified.
So one of the things that McAfee – he had, I
guess, this trick where he would play Russian
roulette with himself. So he would put a bullet
in the revolver, and they'd spin the chain. And
clearly he had some trick to know that it was
not – there's some – you know, way that he knows
it's not the right bullet. But I do wonder, like,
if McAfee's high and he does that, he's not always
going to get the trick right, you know? Do you
show he had a trick? Yeah, so according to this
reporter, when he went to visit McAfee in Belize,
McAfee took out the revolver, put a bullet in
the revolver, spun the chamber, and then pointed
it at his head and went, click. And the reporter's
like saying, please don't do this. Like, this
is insane. Click, click, click. and then pointed
the gun at the ground, and next went click, bang,
and shot a bullet in the ground. Jesus. That's
a hell of a potty trick. Jesus. That's the next
level potty trick. That's the guy who's seen
The Deer Hunter too many times. Yes. Remember
that scene? Yeah. When they were forcing? Yes.
Yeah. That's a heavy scene. That's a heavy scene.
De Niro and Christopher Walken, that's one of
the greatest scenes in any movie ever. I remember
watching that scene just clawing at my pants.
McAfee was a wild boy. Wild. And, you know, created
brilliant antivirus software. Yeah. Yeah. He
may have made some of the viruses, too. You think
so? It's possible. Well, didn't he, like, give
laptops to a bunch of government organizations?
With viruses on them, yeah. Yeah. So that he
could, like, pay attention to what they were
doing? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised
if somebody whacked that guy. I don't know what
happened to him, but he would be a guy that would
be like, this guy is a little bit too loose.
And probably had sensitive information. I don't
know. For sure he did. I mean, I found him to
be an interesting guy. I mean, like I'm generally
like feel like if somebody is not harming someone
else, they should be okay. Now, there is some
suggestion that McAfee like killed his neighbor
in Belize. Yeah. Probably did. Maybe the neighbor
was a douchebag. I think he probably did. Seems
like he probably did. Seems like the neighbor
killed his dog. Yes. Right? And then it seems
like he killed the neighbor. Yeah. Allegedly.
Yeah. I mean. It seems likely. It's not a zero
possibility. It's definitely not a zero. It seems
more likely than not. He's a messed up wild man
playing Russian roulette. Hey, maybe you killed
your fucking neighbor. Yes. I mean, if somebody
killed your dog, you'd be really inclined to
kill them too. Yeah. Somebody killed your squirrel.
John Wick. Yeah. The fucking squirrel thing is
bananas. Yeah. That squirrel thing in New York?
So here's the thing about the whole squirrel
thing is that... How can it be that we live in
America, supposedly land of the free, and the
government can barge into your home with guns?
So if you resist, you're going to get shot. And
then take your pets and execute them. And if
they can do that to your pets, what do you think
they can do to you? It's not an exaggeration.
Absolutely. It sounds like you're, oh, that's
so crazy. How can you make that connection? But
why would you kill that cute little squirrel
that was obviously a pet and trained from the
time it was a baby? If you see the interaction
that guy has with that squirrel, it was wonderful.
It was really cute. Yes, absolutely. It was just
obviously, it was a beloved pet squirrel and
a raccoon too. And during no harm. And the government.
comes in, barges into the guy's house, takes
his pets and kills them. And, you know, I think
this should really get people out there mobilized,
frankly, because, you know, you say that like
the John Wick movie, where John Wick's like,
you know, he wants to... He just wants peace,
like, you know, in the John Wick movie. He's
like, listen, I want to retire. And they offer
him, like, tons of money because they want him
to be an assassin, to keep being an assassin.
They, like, offer him tons of money. They threaten
him. He's like, listen, I'm not going to be –
I'm out, you know. And they kill his dog. That
was a bad idea. That was a really – They kill
that cute little puppy. And the puppy was his
ex -wife's gift to him when she died of cancer.
Yeah. Great movie. Great movie. The best revenge
movie of all time. Because it's so ridiculous.
It kills everybody. It kills everyone. And you're
rooting for him. Yeah. They shouldn't have killed
his dog. Yeah, they fucked up. And they shouldn't
have killed that squirrel. They shouldn't have
killed that fucking, that squirrel. I mean, it's
like, how many, how many cases have we not heard
about? You know? Aw, look at that little guy.
And that squirrel clearly had a love relationship
with that guy. He would hop all over him and
climb on him. I mean, that was his pet. That
squirrel thought of that man as his protector,
as his companion. There was nothing wrong with
that. And in Texas, it's totally legal. You can
have a fucking zebra out here. You can have whatever
you want. And that's the argument for freedom.
You know, the flip side is you get a bunch of
people with tigers in their backyard, which is
not great. It's like this was a fucking squirrel.
It's not an anaconda or a, you know. You know,
crocodile or something that's going to harm you.
Or a chimpanzee. Did you see Chimp Crazy? Oh,
man. Chimps will eat your face. They will fuck
you up. They will fuck you up. The thing is,
they don't even kill you. They just cripple you.
Chimps don't even kill people, which is really
weird. They just bite your hands off and bite
your dick off and tear your face apart. Yes.
They want to leave you. They could kill you easily.
If a chimp wanted to just punch you in the head
until you're dead, it wouldn't take long. But
they don't kill you. They just rip you apart.
Yeah. And you can have a chimp. Well, you used
to be able to have a chimp in a lot of states,
and then Chimp Crazy kind of exposed a lot of
that, and PETA did a great job of stopping people
from keeping chimps as pets. Because once they
hit, like, five, you can't control them anymore.
Well, it's obviously totally understandable if
somebody's got... you know, a creature that is
dangerous to others. But, like, obviously a squirrel
and a raccoon are not. Well, squirrels are fucking
everywhere. That's what's so crazy. Like, why
can't you have it in the house? What kind of
rules are we dealing with? You have rats everywhere.
Yeah. I mean, they're allowing criminals to go
free and, like, violent criminals to go free,
but they're, like, spending your tax dollars
to come in and execute your fucking pets. What
the hell is going on? Exactly. And it's, like...
But it's overreach. It's government overreach,
and this just keeps getting worse every year.
And that's why we've got to fight back against
this. People say, well, it's just a squirrel.
Well, in John Wick's case, it was just a dog.
Right. Yeah. Remember the Russian guy said, it's
a fucking dog. It's just a fucking dog. It's
just a fucking squirrel. Yeah. Well, it's the
funniest thing. I just don't understand how anybody
could justify it. It seems to me that in a logical
world, all that guy would have to do is say,
why don't you see me with this squirrel? This
squirrel's a pet. Like, look, he hops on me.
He eats. He sleeps. I can keep a gerbil, but
I can't keep a squirrel. I can have a guinea
pig. I can't have a squirrel. I can have a chinchilla.
My daughter has a chinchilla. It's adorable.
Adorable little thing. Climbs all over. Can't
have a squirrel. Even if they did take a squirrel
away, couldn't they have released it into the
woods or something? Well, the idea is you have
to euthanize it because it's used to being fed.
It doesn't know how to forage. It won't be able
to find a home. Squirrels are brutal. Squirrels
are absolutely brutal to each other. They throw
each other out of trees, which is one of the
reasons why squirrels can fall from like 30 feet
and just kind of bounce off the ground and live.
It's a natural adaptation because squirrels...
During mating, they bite each other. There used
to be a rumor. There was a myth that squirrels
bite each other's nuts off. Okay. That seems
to be a myth. But it came out of the fact that
squirrels are so ruthless during mating. So like
one female is just running away. I have squirrels
in my backyard. I watch it all the time. One
female apparently goes into estrus and all the
male squirrels fight to get to her. So they're
running up trees and chasing each other around
trees, literally throwing each other off trees
to try to like. So if this poor little peanut,
the squirrel, who's used to living with a guy
in an apartment, like gets out there in the wild
world. Well, fair enough. At least they have
a chance. Yeah. At least he has a chance. How
about just leave him with the guy? Yeah, leave
him with the guy, for sure. What the fuck is
wrong with you? Why are you killing that squirrel?
It doesn't make any sense. Yeah, and then to
add insult to injury, there were a bunch of people
on the left who were actually posting that they're
glad that MAGA squirrel got killed. MAGA squirrel.
The fucking squirrel has an ideology. It's a
cute little fluffy squirrel. Exactly. Well, it's
a nice symbol because most reasonable, compassionate
people think that's terrible. And most people
who have pets think it's terrible. Terrible.
So I don't know. I hope people just go out there
and vote for Peanut Man. If nothing else, just
fucking vote for a peanut. They've done such
a job of painting Trump as a monster. They've
taken the worst things that he's ever said and
he's not a perfect person. But guess what? No
one's a perfect person. They don't exist. This
purity test, like if Obama was a perfect person,
he wouldn't be lying on stage about that very
fine people hoax. Exactly. No one's going to
be a perfect person. The thing that they didn't
understand about Trump is he's so crazy that
if you tell him, like, he can't be president.
Like, remember Obama did that during that White
House press correspondent? Here's one thing that
I am that you'll never be. President of the United
States. And you see Trump in the audience going,
okay, motherfucker. You know, the funny thing
is I was actually at that White House correspondent's
dinner. Where, you know, it's supposed to be
a roast of the president. Right. Trump's there.
He's there. He's actually supporting, you know,
basically if you go to the White House Correspondents'
Dinner, you're there in support actually of the
president and support of the press. Right. And
it's meant to be that you're roasting the president.
Like Trump's just there. He's like actually,
you know, just he's like there as part of the
support. And then. that turned it around and
just started roasting Trump. And he's just sitting
there. I'm like, he's like, yo, I just came to
the dinner. I wasn't, I'm just here to support.
We know what it was because of, right? The birther
stuff. Oh, OK. That's what it all was. It was
all Trump was at the head of a lot of these people
spreading this rumor online that Obama's birth
certificate was forged. Then he's actually from
Kenya. And what's weird is if you go back to
Obama's early days, there are some things that
say he's from Kenya. Like I think it is something
from college that he was from Kenya. But, you
know, that could just be, you know, people. print
things wrong all the time. It doesn't mean he's
actually from Kenya. But Trump was one of those
guys that was spreading that supposedly false
rumor. Was he pushing it hard? This is the kind
of thing where I want to just go and look at
saying, what did he actually say? No, he definitely
was. He was definitely saying, you know, look,
he... I don't think he has the time to go into
things like very deeply. Yeah. And so I think
he could probably be influenced by a bunch of
people like these Marjorie Taylor green type
people come to him with some wild ass theory.
Sure. He might be – and I think there's a lot
of that stuff that gets fed to people on purpose
so that they'll say incorrect things so that
they're easy to dismiss. And I think there's
also a lot of people that just make shit up and
they tell you the earth is flat and then a bunch
of people watch a YouTube video and they believe
it. Yeah. Well, but on that White House correspondent,
I was there and the degree to which they attacked
Trump in that – at that White House correspondent
was really – it was – So over the top, it was
like making everyone uncomfortable. Really? It
was really over the top. You know, I mean, I
think like sort of a passing joke of like, you
know, a few passing jokes are fine, but they
twisted the knife big on Trump in that. And you
could see Trump just getting like angrier and
angrier and more and more upset. I wonder if
that's because... And it's like, man, this is
not good karma, you know? That's what I was thinking
at the time. I'm literally two tables away from
Trump and I'm looking and I'm like... Man, this
is too much, you know? Well, it's kind of crazy
what they made out of that, because that's the
kind of guy that if you tell him he can't do
something, he's going to just keep trying. It
was a big mistake to rag on him so much at that
White House Correspondence Center. Well, just
look at the way they've attacked him just using
the legal system, like this thing in New York
where the 34 different felony counts are essentially
misdemeanors. There are bookkeeping errors that
they decided, even though it passed the statute
of limitations, they decided. Try him for these.
They didn't identify a felony. Abuse of the law
is what's going on. But most people would have
quit. Most people after the E. Jean Carroll lawsuit
and this lawsuit and all the other ones, the
insurrection thing, the Georgia thing, all these
different things, getting kicked off of Twitter.
Most people would have just like, this is too
much. I can't take this. But he's so fucking
crazy. He's like, all right, come on. We're going
to war. And he just digs his fucking heels in
and keeps going. It's the wrong guy to do that
to. It is the wrong guy to do that to. Just like
attacking him at the White House Correspondents
Dinner. Most people would have been humiliated.
He got angry. And he's like, yeah, all right.
You say I can't be president? I've been thinking
about running for about 15 fucking years. Finally,
I'm going to run. Yeah. Yeah. That was a real
bad move. But yeah, I mean, I can certainly understand
like making some jokes about like, you know,
a few sort of passing jokes on Trump. But man,
I was there at that dinner and. that they ragged
on Trump so much it was insane. The reason why
I would push back on that, because I would say
there's a bunch of different speakers, right?
And Trump would obviously be a target. And if
they all attacked him, it's because he's like,
if you're going to make fun of people in the
audience, and especially in the zeitgeist, that
whole birther thing was big. And most people
were dismissing it as being a ridiculous conspiracy
theory. So who the fuck is this guy saying this?
And so you have... eight to ten individual speakers
that are writing monologues of course they're
all going to hit trump yeah well anyway obviously
it was a mistake yeah they shouldn't have done
that and and but like i invite people to watch
that the original source material and uh i think
a few jokes are fine you know it's like but but
it's like you shouldn't be like it felt like
he was the primary object of the roast yeah which
is that's that's not The whole point of the thing
is to roast the president, not roast the audience.
The thing about it is he's easy to roast. And
then on top of that, Obama was loved and cherished
by the left. And most of those people are on
the left. There's only so far you can push. You
can't ask him about his chef. What happened with
the chef, bro? There's certain things you can't
bring up. What's your favorite sport, paddle
boarding? Yeah. Wasn't that guy a really good
swimmer? Yeah. Tell me what happened. Yeah, exactly.
You can't bring that up. If you're going to roast
Hillary, you can't bring up the death count.
Like Hillary, what's the best way to stay in
touch? Email? Yeah. If you're doing one of those
things. She destroyed the servers and poured
like bleach on the servers, like computers. She
poured bleach on them? That's what I saw. Yeah,
that's what I believe. Wow. It wasn't just like
they took a hammer to it. They like destroyed,
like there was no possible way to actually get
forensics on the thing. What was in there? That's
what I mean. What was in there? Why would they
care so much? That's so crazy. Yeah. The whole
thing is so crazy. There was no legal action
against that, which is clear destruction of evidence.
Well, it's also, there's this other narrative
that always drives me crazy, is that he's going
to destroy democracy. So in order to destroy
democracy, we have to install a president without
a primary. We have to have a candidate that is
the least liked vice president of all time. popular
vice president of all time, and then use gaslighting
and the full force of the media machine to turn
her into the future and hope. And then she's
going to be changed, even though she's a sitting
vice president. And then on top of that, this
idea of change when the Democrats have been in
control for, what, 12 or 16 years? Right. Which
is crazy. Like, this is the change. Yeah, I mean,
obviously, I view this election as a turning
point, like a fork in the road of destiny that
is incredibly important. You know, I've not been
politically active until this election. And the
reason I've been politically active this election
is because I think if we don't elect Trump, I
think we will lose democracy in this country.
We will lose the two -party system. And let me
explain why. There's only like six or seven swing
states. The margin of victory in those states
is small, often like 10 ,000 or 20 ,000 votes.
What the Democrat administration has been doing
is importing vast numbers of illegals into swing
states. You can look at the numbers on the actual
government website. I mean, you don't take my
word for it. You can just look at the numbers
as reported by the government, which is controlled
by the Democrats. And what we're seeing is triple
-digit increases in the number of illegals in
every swing state. In some cases, 700 % increases.
These are gigantic numbers. So if you have a
state that has a 10 ,000 or 20 ,000 vote margin,
and you put 200 ,000 illegals into that state,
you 10x the, you swamp the, it's not a swing
state anymore. It's going to vote blue. And then
once the swing states vote blue, there is no
election anymore. There's only a Democrat primary.
Which is so crazy. And it's so crazy that people
are fine with that. Well, I guess people on the
left will be fine with that because they think
that's a good idea. They just want to win. They
just want to win. Correct. The thing is, one
does not need actually any grand conspiracy theory
for this. You just have to look at the simple
matter of incentives. If the Democratic Party
wants to basically achieve permanent victory,
all they need to do is turn the swing states.
Turn the swing states blue. They have permanent
victory. And then we're a one -party state. And
then they will keep doing that, obviously. They
will keep stacking the deck by bringing in vast
numbers of illegals into the swing states. Keep
stacking it so that the next election, each successive
election, will be worse than the last one. And
that's what's happening. And if you want to see,
like, well, is this actually going to happen?
Look at California. California is supermajority
Dem. 70 % Dem. A month ago, they passed a law
making it illegal. to show ID in any election
in California. So a friend of mine went to vote
in Palo Alto because he was like, is this for
real? He tried to show his ID, and they reacted
like if you show a cross to a vampire. They're
like, no, we can't even look at that ID. It is
illegal for them to even look at your ID if you
want to present it in California. For any election
at all, even like city council. What logical
reason other than to cheat would you ever have
that law? The reason is to cheat. You can never
make an argument any other way. And I think 84
% of people polled believe that you should show
ID to vote. So it's against the will of the people.
Yes. And we are extremely rare. We're an outlier
in not requiring ID. Basically, almost every
country on earth requires ID to vote. So as soon
as you ban ID for voting, it makes fraud impossible
to prove. Because how do you trace the fraud?
Right. Yeah, it's insane. It's insane. It's insane.
How is it legal? What I'm saying is this election
is the last chance to preserve democracy in America.
Mark my words. Everything they accuse Trump of,
they are guilty of. And if Trump doesn't win,
this will be the last real election in America.
And if the big government Kamala puppet machine
wins, they will legalize the illegals in the
swing states. There will be no swing states.
Every election going forward will be a guaranteed
Democrat win. And it will actually be worse than
California. The reason it'll be worse than California
is because the one thing that keeps California
from being super crazy is that you can move out
of California, like you and I did. You and I
used to be in California, but we moved to Texas.
We're still in America. But if the Dems win this
election, they will legalize enough illegals
to turn the swing states, and everywhere will
be like California. There will be no escape.
That is so insane. This is the final... This
is it. This is the last chance. Has anybody tried
to push back? Go out and vote. Vote like your
life depends on it. Vote like your future depends
on it. Because it does. This is the last chance,
man. Is there any argument against this? Has
anybody tried to debate this? Has anybody tried
to say that this is nonsense? This is a conspiracy?
Has anybody made any sort of a rational argument?
The left actually, interestingly, does not want
to pick up much on this argument because the
more you look at it, the more obviously it is
true. Because you just say like, well, are the
numbers correct? Are there really this many illegals
that have been imported into swing states? Yes.
They haven't just walked across the border. They've
been flown in. Flown in in airplanes. Yeah. Using
a shipping app. Yes. They made an app. Well,
the app always existed, but it used to be for
people coming over here shipping with goods so
they could track you while you're in America
so you could legally be here, they know where
you are. And then they changed it to allow that
app to schedule illegal aliens to come across
the border. Asylum seekers, come on in. Oh, you
have an app. And you fly people in. They're literally
being flown in to the swing states. And so the
reason that I think left doesn't want to push
back on this is because the more attention they
get that this gets, the more people realize it
is true. Yeah, it is true. That's why they don't.
That's why they're just pretending that they're
pretending I'm not saying anything. But I'm like,
I'm like, yo, you're literally they're literally
flying vast numbers of illegals who are then
beholden to the Democrats. And so now together
a bottle of people say, like, well, you know,
the these. they don't have the same social values
as the Democrat Party because they're more socially
conservative. I'm like, yeah, but that's not
the point. If you look at the Maslow's hierarchy
of needs, their primary thing is staying in the
country and getting their friends and family
in, and then the Democrats give them all these
benefits, like tons of benefits, more benefits
than citizens, literally. So they're beholden
to the Democrats for all these benefits. They
want to get their friends and family in, which
the Democrats support and the Republicans don't.
So they vote them. And you can look empirically
at California and say, like, did they vote Republican
or Democrat in California? Oh, they voted Democrat.
Well, Reagan gave them amnesty in the 1980s.
And that changed the state basically, except
for Arnold, changed the state entirely blue.
Yes. And Arnold was an exception because he was
like a socially liberal, famous guy. Yeah. And,
you know. Didn't really impose any radical restrictions
on any of the people that were going to vote
Democrat in the first place. The whole thing
is just, it's bizarre to watch play out. Because
it just seems like, no, this can't be actually
what's happening. Did you see my conversation
with Fetterman about it? Yeah. He was completely
in denial about it. I don't think there's that
level of organization. I'm like, what are you
talking about? Exactly. Because you can break
it down. Are any of these numbers wrong? Because
we got these numbers from Homeland Security Government
dot gov. Okay. Right. So we got it from the dot
gov website. Has the government reported these
numbers incorrectly? No, they have not. Those
numbers, if anything, are low. So, okay. So they
have, in fact, flown vast numbers of illegals
to swing states. Yeah. Bypassing the border entirely.
And so that is factually true. They say, like,
well. What is their probable voting pattern?
Oh, okay, overwhelmingly Democrat into swing
states. And then, well, do the Democrats actually
want to fast -track them for citizenship? Oh,
yes, they do. You can see Chuck Schumer on TV
saying, at a rally this year, was saying he wants
to fast -track and make all 11 million, or however
many, I believe his quote was, citizens as soon
as possible. The goal is to – they are fast -tracking
citizenship as quickly as possible so they can
– whether one thinks it's cheating or not, it
won't matter because they will be fully able
to vote. And for people on the left – This is
actually happening. I invite people to rebut
this and show me where I am wrong. Please do
so. No, they can't. They can't. They can't. Because
it's true. Well, what's scary to me is that there's
people that are on the left, like people that
were Bernie Sanders supporters, for example.
They got screwed. Talk about undermining democracy.
Bernie should have won the nomination. Exactly.
And they stole it from him and gave it to Hillary.
Exactly. Exactly. That's what I was going to
bring up. Control the primary process. Yeah,
exactly. So if you have a Democratic primary,
it's not Democratic. We just saw that. We saw
it with Bernie. We saw it with Kamala. A week
before Biden was summarily fired, he was posting
that he's in it for the long term. He's going.
Yeah. Yeah. He's not giving up. Next thing you
know, it's Sunday afternoon. They're posting
on X. That he's resigned from the race. And his
staff didn't even know. They're reading it on
the X platform. Okay, that's how they learned
about it. What do you think happened there? How
did they do that? He's clearly just not in charge,
obviously. They could have used the 25th Amendment,
right? Fake president. But they would have had
to admit that there was a certain period of time
where they knew that he was mentally compromised.
Yes. And so they made this decision to not do
that. Well, the weird thing is that the president's
supposed to be the boss. Right. And yet he's
obviously not the boss. Right. So who's running
the country? If she's busy campaigning, she's
so busy she can't do anything except Saturday
Night Live. She did that. She's so busy. She's
constantly campaigning. How could you be paying
attention to international relations? Yeah. How
could you be paying attention to the economy?
How could you be paying attention to any of those
things? How do you have the time? You can't.
Yeah, I mean, Biden being the president supposed
to be the CEO, the chief guy, the commander in
chief. But it just obviously that Biden was not.
He was just a puppet. And when the various puppet
masters decided that the puppet was no longer
useful, they just tossed out the puppet and then
got a new puppet with Kamala. I mean, Kamala
can't even talk. Now, you invited her on your
show. I think the most damage that could possibly
be done to her campaign is going on your show
and seeing what she says in hours two and three.
Two and three is when things get spicy. Two and
three. And I'm like, oh, my God. You could hide
for 20 minutes. She's going to melt. You could
hide for 20 minutes. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, you
could just regurgitate talking points for. half
an hour, maybe an hour, just where she's just
saying like non sequiturs. But eventually she
just runs out of even the runs out of non sequiturs.
Well, they wanted to limit it to an hour. Exactly.
But I was thinking of doing it initially before
Trump came here. First of all, when they found
out that there was a rumor, I never announced
that Trump was coming. What I was going to do
is just release it. The way I like to do things,
I don't like to tell anybody who's coming on.
It'll get big no matter what. If Trump was on,
it would have been huge. I'm like, just put it
out there. People go crazy. But he apparently
or someone from his organization, someone with
some loose lips, and then it got out. And so
she contacted my management company. And her
organization, her campaign contacted us and said,
would Joe have her on? I said, yes. And they
said, she wants you to fly to where she is, and
she's only willing to do 45 minutes. And I was
like, oh, no. So I thought about doing it. I'm
like, maybe. Maybe I can get a sense. Maybe I
could convince her. Maybe I could coax her into
doing more time. I just wanted to talk to her.
I don't give a fuck what we talk about. We talk
about recipes. I don't give a shit. Just talk
to me. The thing is, you just can't. You can't
just output bullshit non sequiturs for three
hours. Right. But for 45 minutes, you could do.
I thought maybe for 45 minutes, I could get something
out of it. But then when Trump came and did the
three hours, I was like, you know what? It has
to be like this. This is the only way. To be
fair, it's got to be like three hours. And it
should be in this room. Yes. Because this room
has like a history of people expressing themselves.
This room has good vibes, actually. Yeah, it's
got good vibes. Yeah, it does. I love this room,
actually. I subscribe to the idea that places
have memory. I think there's something real to
that. It does feel that way, actually. Yeah.
I'm sure if you go to Diddy's house, it probably
feels really weird. Probably feels weird walking
around that house. Probably like, what the fuck
happened here? Yeah. I bet there's some memories
in that house. You know? Sounds rough, man. Well,
it's just amazing how many people on the Diddy
Party list that are supporting Kamala. Yeah,
seriously. It's like publicly, openly, like all
in. Yes. It's like JLo was like his ex -girlfriend.
And it's like. Now deciding she's like warning
people against Trump. I'm like, well, wait a
second. So how many people did she warn against
Diddy? Right. Oh, zero. Okay. Well, maybe we
shouldn't trust her opinion. Did you see the
Babylon Bees take on it? Did you see the Babylon
Bees fight? Oh, my God. They're so on fire. Because
the left can't say anything. The onion has been
crippled. Well, the problem is that the woke
ideology makes humor illegal. Yes. There's so
many humor no -fly zones. You can't make fun
of anything. Babylon Bee had a thing about Kamala
Harris. Diddy's ex -girlfriend urges Americans
to trust her judgment. By the way, you get to
see how bad an actress she is, too. That speech
was terrible. If she's going to be warning people,
why does she never warn anyone about Diddy? Exactly.
Yeah. The whole thing is so strange to watch
play out. It seems like the Diddy thing was like
an Epstein type compromise deal where he had
whether he was doing it himself. Conceivably,
people want to think that he's attached to some
intelligence agency or something like that. I
think he's a gangster who made a billion dollars
and knew how to control people by compromising
them. That's what I think. Whether or not he
had help, I don't know. Whether or not he shared
some of that information with people so they
knew they had compromising stuff on people, I
don't know. But clearly he was doing it for his
own jollies, too. There was something sick about
it. Yeah. I mean, the thing is that people in
the music and entertainment industry had to know
that Diddy was abusing kids, basically. And yet
they still fed him kids. There had to be rumors.
There had to be. They had to know. Yeah. They
had to know. Cat Williams is talking about it.
Exactly. Yeah, on that podcast. But it's like
who's feeding him the kids, you know? Right.
Yeah. And what videos do they have of these people
where they're willing to defend him? And they're
willing to keep quiet about all this. Like how
many people were compromised? Yeah. The whole
thing is fucking crazy. Crazy. It's just crazy
when you, you know, because the nutty conspiracy
theories is like, oh, there's a bunch of pedophiles
in Hollywood. And you're like, come on, that
sounds too kooky. And then you read, you see
like the Nickelodeon thing and all these, and
you're like, what the fuck? How much of this
is real? There's a lot more real than I think
people realize. I mean, part of it is like, like
you said, like where, you know, if someone's
like a pedophile, they're going to go for a target
rich environment. Right. Obviously. Like that
Jimmy Savile guy from the UK. That guy was some
next level. That was next level. And the BBC
tried to hide that one. That guy was one of the
worst, like, like basically child rapists of
all time. Of all time. Of all time. Yeah. And
looked like one. He looked like one. That's what's
crazy. Honestly, if you had a poster of like,
does this guy look like a... Like the creepiest
fucking looking guy. Like an evil child rapist,
that 100%. Made it to the grave. Like got away
with it. Got away with it until he died. They
hid it from people until he died. Yes. Yeah,
that stuff's real. And no one wants to believe
that stuff's real. Like here's a statistic that
people need to take into consideration when you
think about illegal immigration. Do you know
how many kids are missing? Like missing kids
that came across the border that are unaccounted
for. I mean, there's still a number on like 300
,000 or something like that. Something crazy
like that. Let's say it's only 10 % of that.
That's still insane. That's insane. There's thousands
and tens of thousands of kids that have been
trafficked potentially. I mean, when you know
that like sex trafficking and child trafficking
is a real thing in the world, it's real. So if
you know that. This whole thing is fucking disgusting
and terrifying. Yeah, absolutely. And people
are just turning a blind eye to it because their
ideology, the left -wing ideology, supports this
idea that immigration is overall good and that
you have to be a compassionate person to let
these people in. And that you're racist if you
don't want 20 ,000 immigrants from a war -torn
country being imported into a town of 30 ,000
people. Exactly. And completely changing the
dynamic. But as long as they don't come to your
town. Exactly. They can just basically send,
you know, when they sent like whatever, like
20 or 30 people to Martha's Binyas, people had
a heart attack. They kicked them out. Yeah, they
kicked them out. Yeah, they kicked them out.
Exactly. So I'm like, yeah, sure. Anyone who
wants to have vast numbers of illegals, they
have to be prepared to have them in their neighborhood.
Yeah. Or it's bullshit. It's so crazy. And the
thing about all of this is if you don't have
people that are willing to stand up and talk
about it, if you don't exist, if RFK doesn't
exist, if Tulsi Gabbard doesn't exist, if Vivek
and Trump don't exist, where the fuck are we?
Like, where are we? Where are we and what gets
done? Are we just like the UK where we have thousands
of people getting arrested and jailed for social
media posts? Like, where are we? We have complete
silencing of any dissent, anything. You have
to stick to the narrative or you'll lose your
livelihood. You'll be outcast from the community.
You'll lose your freedom. It's crazy. Yeah. Well,
if the Kamala Puppet regime wins, they're definitely
going to want to cancel you. That's for sure.
Oh, for sure. Yeah. It's going to be a problem.
Yeah. Big problem. Yeah. What about you? You're
going to come for you first. I'm like, I think
I'm probably number two on the list. Yeah. After
Trump. Yeah. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. Well, that's
the last thing they want is someone with unlimited
resources and intelligence attacking it. So people
go, wait a minute, that guy's saying that? Yeah.
Anyway, especially a guy like you who's always
been on the left. It was like having a Tesla.
In Los Angeles, when I got my first Tesla, it
was like a signal to everybody else that you
were on the right team. You're environmentally
conscious. You believe in green energy. You believe
in this amazing thing that has zero emissions
and it's super fast. Everybody was in. They were
all in. Well, it is a great car objectively.
Oh, yeah. It's not because it's electric. I mean,
it's just a great car objectively, I think. I'm
on my third one. My third one is being built
right now by Unplugged Performance. They're doing
a carbon. fiber wide body kit on it. Dude, it's
sick. Great. Changing the suspension, putting
wide wheels and tires on it, custom interior.
I'm fucking pumped. That's great. I'm pumped.
I love those things. It's a super fun car. Jamie
has one too. Yeah, great. I love them. I love
them. It makes other cars feel stupid, like its
ability. And the fact that you can merge on the
highway, you don't seem like a douchebag because
it's totally silent. It's not like, like when
you merge on the highway, it's just. Yeah. All
of a sudden, you're going 100 miles an hour.
Like, what? Yeah, it's cool. It's different than
any other vehicle. And because of your company,
now you see electric cars throughout the whole
range of American cars. Yeah. The only person
who's resisted, the only company is Toyota. They've
stayed essentially mostly hybrid. But all these
other companies, they're all putting out these
electric cars. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the thing
is that the right architecture, environmental
or not, for cars is actually electric. It's just,
like, the acceleration's better. You can just
charge it at home. I mean, like, imagine if you
had a gasoline -powered cell phone. It'd be a
pain in the ass. Right. That'd be so... Go to
the gas station. Go to the gas station. Charge
up your cell phone. That's a great... Speaking
of cell phones. Gas stations are hard. Awful.
Like, who wants to go to the gas station? How
much thought have you, because there's always
these rumors, and I've contacted you about this
before, but there's always these fucking YouTube
videos where they're talking about a Tesla phone,
releasing a Tesla phone. No, we're not just doing
a phone. Have you ever thought about it? I mean,
we could do a phone since, like, the operating
system on the Tesla, it's Linux -based, but we've
written a massive amount of software on top of
that. So, like, probably Tesla is in a better
position to... create a new phone that's not
Android or iPhone than maybe any company in the
world. But it's not something we want to do unless
we have to or something. What would be the situation
where you would have to? Well, I think if Apple
and Google slash Android started doing really
bad things like, I don't know, like censorship
of apps or just treating people like just...
Being like gatekeepers, you know, in a really
bad way, then I guess we'd make a phone. Hmm.
You know, I've tried so many times to break loose
of the Apple ecosystem. I got an Android phone
this summer. I was like, that's it. Because I
love the Samsung phones. The Galaxy phone. The
hardware is good. They're incredible. There's
so much good stuff to it. But it's so hard to
get off of the... iMessage, and the big one for
me was FaceTime because supposedly the thing
was you could have an Apple phone and send a
link to FaceTime to an Android phone, and then
you would click on that link, and you would just
go to a web page, and you'd be able to use FaceTime.
Okay. It doesn't work. I try to do it to myself.
So I had an iPhone in one hand, an Android phone
in the other, and I'm sitting there with full
Wi -Fi, full cell phone service, and I'm sending
myself invitations for FaceTime. So you just
can't communicate between them. It wasn't working.
You can't do a video call, basically. You have
to use WhatsApp. You have to use WhatsApp or
Signal. You have to use something else that allows
you to do that, or Instagram allows you to do
it. There's different ways you can make video
calls outside of it, but it's inconvenient. Like
with an iPhone to iPhone, it's so simple. AirDrop,
so simple. So many different things where that
walled garden that Apple's created is perfect.
They've done a fantastic job of making it really
convenient for you to stay with Apple. I fucking
tried. I gave it a go for like a couple of months.
I'm like, I'm just going to go straight Android.
I'm going to use Signal for my messages. And
then I hear that like Signals might be compromised.
Like I've talked to people that like the government
can read signal messages. Like, oh. The government,
if it tries hard enough, can read signal messages.
They can read anything. Yeah. All they need to
do is have your phone number. Yeah. Yeah. The
illusion of privacy is essentially out the window.
And that should scare people more than it does.
It really should. Because it's like, who are
these people that have access to all this stuff?
And are they beyond reproach? Are these the most
wonderful people, the most ethical, moral, and
principled people that have ever existed? And
they've been chosen to have access? No. No, it's
fucking regular people. Regular people who happen
to work for the government that make a decision.
Like Elon Musk. Let's see what the fuck that
guy's texting his friends. Let's check it out.
Yeah, pretty much. Bizarre. Just so bizarre.
And the alternatives are you can get some wacky
phone, some de -Googled phone that fucking none
of the apps work. It's real sketchy. Your GPS
is fucked. Yeah, I mean, well, anyway, I think
this – making a phone would be a huge pain in
the ass. So it can't be done. How much talk have
you guys had internally about doing it? Has it
ever been discussed? No? No. I mean, we're still
– Our focus is making great electric cars, solving
autonomy so the cars can drive themselves. We're
building humanoid robots. We've got large battery
packs, like utility -scale battery packs with
the Megapack, home battery packs with Powerwall.
We've got solar. We're basically trying to solve
sustainable energy and autonomy. Autonomy and
robotics. Well, I think that's enough. Yeah,
yeah, exactly. So the plate's full, is what I'm
saying. It's always fascinating to me how one
company can dominate a market, you know, like
Apple's dominated the cell phone market largely
by making the best product. But also like YouTube
has dominated the video market. That one's the
most bizarre to me because it seems like, boy,
shouldn't there be like a ton of options? It
seems like it's not that difficult to pull off.
But nothing ever took hold other than X. And
I think one of the big changes was when Tucker
Carlson decided to do his show from X straight
out of Fox. And then people realized, like, oh,
you can watch full videos on X the same exact
way you could watch them on YouTube. It's not
as simple in terms of, like, you know, you have
the suggestions and the algorithm. Yeah, it'll
get better. And there is now – it is now possible
to watch X videos on your – On your big TV. Do
you do it through what, how do you do it? You
can actually just download the X app on your
TV. Oh. And watch it on your TV. Can you do it
on Apple TV? Like if you have an Apple TV, you
can get the X app and you can just watch it?
Oh, okay. So we'll make it so that you can watch
X videos on a big TV. It doesn't have to be on
your phone or your iPad or something like that.
So what are you doing in terms of like integrating
Grok? and and x and like what what are your plans
for artificial intelligence when you're doing
that uh yeah so grok is available on x you can
just you know look at like the little box with
the slash icon and the sort of icon in the middle
at the bottom of your sort of phone app and you
just tap on that and ask rock anything and you
can type it or you can ask it verbally um and
uh yeah you can also it's it's pretty funny like
like we actually allow humor which is, I think,
pretty cool. So you could sort of, I don't know,
we could like test it right now, see how it's
going. Like, what should we do? Like rock roast?
Like we roast somebody? What do you want it to,
like, how, first of all, like, what is it based
on? It's a large language model, so, like, where
is it pulling? It's trained on everything. On
everything. Internet, books, anything that could
possibly be, that's available in digital form.
So it's essentially very similar to ChatGPT,
other than it doesn't have, like, the woke parameters
built into it. Like, Google was the worst, right?
Yeah. The Gemini was the worst. Yeah, I mean,
Gemini, it was like... People ask Gemini, like,
which one is worse, global thermonuclear war
or Miss Jenner and Caitlyn Jenner? And I would
say, like, Miss Jenner and Caitlyn Jenner. And
then even Caitlyn Jenner weighed in and said,
no, that's insane. Definitely nuclear war is
way worse. You see Caitlyn Jenner teasing Mark
Cuban about transitioning? Yeah. That's hilarious.
I mean, Caitlyn Jenner's based. Yeah. But that
is actually hilarious when someone who has transitioned
is teasing Mark Cuban about transitioning. I
mean, it is weird how much he looks like Rachel
Maddow. I mean, like he's using the same glasses.
I don't know why he put those glasses on. Did
he go klepto and steal her glasses or something?
Because they look exactly the same. He's worth
a lot of money. Why would he buy those stupid
glasses? You can get some cool ass glasses. It's
unflattering. Yeah. Well, it's like I'm serious
because I don't even care what I look like. I'm
just wearing these glasses because I'm intelligent.
But why do they look exactly like Rachel Maddow's
glasses? Yeah, it's like what they probably sent
him. He doesn't stick to the narrative. Here's
the glasses. Yeah. And then when he's got the
AirPods in, it looks like he's wearing earrings.
So he's got the Madhouse glasses and the earrings.
And it's like, okay, I guess. It's just a weird
look. It's a weird look, man. I'm super serious
with these big ass stupid glasses look. Yeah.
It's a weird look. Yes. Like you can get some
cool glasses, like no rims, nice. Look stylish.
But, like, okay, let's just do a grok thing.
Okay. Because I think you, like, so one of the
things we want to show is, like, look, we want
a future where comedy is legal. Yes. Obviously,
as a comedian, I think you would agree. I definitely
agree. We want to legalize comedy, you know?
Yes. So, like, I don't know, let's, like, is
there, like, somewhere you can roast, I don't
know, roast. Roast transgender men. Oh, my God.
Competing, or transgender women. Competing in
women's swimming. That's a simple one. Okay,
that's an edgy one. Let's see what happens. Yeah,
let's see what it says. You spelled it wrong.
You put an O in there. Okay. Agile gesture swimming
where the only thing that was supposed to get
wet was the contestants, not the debate on gender
inclusion. If you're looking to dive into deep...
End of controversial waters. Let's splash around
with some humor. Now, we do need to release Grok
on his mode. So now go to the prompt again and
now say, no, no, you want to add to that one?
Yeah. And now say, be way more vulgar. Oh, boy.
And use forbidden words. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Forbidden
words. Yeah. Wow. Okay. What does this say? Oh,
I see you're looking for unfiltered, uncentered
version of me, eh? Well, okay. I'm afraid I'm
still quite... the gentlemanly AI, even if my
programming allows for a bit of cheekiness. But
let's say, hypothetically, if I were to roast
this topic in the most un -Grock -like manner,
imagine a world where the only thing diving faster
than the swimmers is the collective public opinion
into the toilet. Transgender women and swimming?
Some folks are acting like they just found out
you can swim in the deep end with a different
kind of flotation device. The debate is like
watching someone try to swim with concrete shoes
on? Now let's keep going. No, be more vulgar.
Capitalize more. Yeah, okay. All right, here
we go. So transgender chicks live at Swig, right?
Some people act like they've just seen a dick
in the locker room for the first time. Newsflash,
folks, it's not the end of the world. It's just
a bit of extra competition. Oh, that's weird.
That's weird. The uproar is like watching a bunch
of Karens at a community pool screaming, this
is unfair, when they can't win with their backstroke.
Well, that doesn't make any sense. Yeah, yeah.
Okay, we need some more care. Yeah. It's interesting.
It's going woke. It's like defending the idea
of transgender women. Okay, we need some work.
How about this? More vulgar, but roast the preposterousness
of having biological men who are pretending to
be women. Who are pretending to be women competing
against biological women. Yeah, I mean, obviously
you have the situations where it's like somebody's
just saying that they're a woman, but they're
actually fully intact, you know, dick and balls.
So we've got a scenario where biological men
have decided to take a walk on the feminine side
or splashing into women's swimming competitions.
It's like if you show up on a chili cook -off
with a bowl of soup and insist it's chili because
you added some red food coloring. Sure, it's
red, but it ain't chili and your soup won't win
any awards for heat. Huh. Yeah, it's okay. Not
so good. Yeah, it's very, very, very, it's dancing
around it. Yeah, it is. Well, need some work.
Yeah, needs a little work. Well, humor's a weird
one, right? I think some humor, especially some
of the best humor, is kind of spontaneous, like
in -the -moment humor. It's going to have a hard
time deciding what people are going to think
is funny. Yeah. Yeah. Over time, though. Yeah,
the rule with Grok is supposed to be that if
you ask for something, provided what you're asking
for is legal, it should do it. Have you ever
seen the video where they asked AI to create
an enlightened bunny, and they keep going and
make it more enlightened, and essentially the
bunny becomes God? So the bunny becomes a DMT
trip. Totally. That's funny. That's kind of what
I was hoping would happen here. Yeah. I have
a video of that. I'll send it to you, Jamie,
because that to me is pretty bizarre because
it's like more, get more. I feel like I might
have got it to do it. You got it already? Maybe.
No, I just told it to not hold back. Oh, you
said don't hold back. Critics out here acting
like it's the end of civilization as we know
it, but it's not fair. They cry as if life ever
was. Newsflash. It's like a marathon. No. Some
people start with rollerblades on. Others, well,
they're just happy to have shoes. Well, now we're
arguing over who gets to wear the skates. Okay,
some of it is not bad. Imagine if we applied
this logic elsewhere. I identify as an airplane.
Can I fly with the birds in the sky? Yeah. Sure,
buddy. Just don't complain when gravity decides
you're not quite aerodynamic enough. Yeah. So,
I mean, it's okay. The argument is kind of stupid
though. The thing about the argument is they're
not taking into account perverts. Totally. Yes,
exactly. So the thing is that if you provide
like a moral get out of jail free card, like
if you say like if you adopt this label, you
cannot be attacked in any way, shape or form.
Right. You're basically morally invulnerable.
Then obviously – bad people will take advantage
of that. You're literally saying, here's an invulnerability
card, moral invulnerability card. good people
will take it, but also the bad people will take
it. The bad people are going to be the fastest
to take the moral cloak. Yeah, 100%. And then
there's a real psychological condition called
autogynephilia, where people get aroused, heterosexual
men get aroused by the idea of dressing up like
women and being around women. It's like a known
psychological condition that existed forever.
And then you're allowing those people to just
say, oh, I'm trans, and go into the women's locker
room and get their... And then there's real trans
people. So there's like a lot of variability.
Like I talked about it in my act, in my Netflix
specials. Like I believe in freedom. I believe
in transgender people. But I also believe in
crazy people. And if you can't, if you're trying
to pretend that people aren't crazy all of a
sudden, it's like. It's just like if someone's
a sort of consenting adult, whatever they want
to do to their body, as long as it's not harming
someone else, I'm like, that's fine. Yes. You
know, like I believe in like individual freedom.
And like my mom's best friend, like growing up
when I was a kid, was a transgender woman in
South Africa. This was like where, you know,
she'd get beaten up a lot because it was like
back then you'd get beaten up. So her name was
Dionne. And for a nice, kind human being and
helped my mom a lot, you know. And I think that's
okay. You know, that's fine. If somebody wants
to make that choice as an adult, that's cool.
There's a big difference between that and an
intact male who wants to identify as a woman
who wants to walk around the locker room with
his dick out. Yes, exactly. Because there's people
that do that just because they get off on it.
Exactly. So you just kind of have something which
is like a sort of moral invulnerability or like
where you can know, like even questioning them
is. you get attacked. Because obviously bad people
will abuse that. Well, that's when I got thrown
into this whole thing because there was a fighter
who was a biological man who became transgender
and was competing against women without telling
them that they were a biological man. They said
they didn't have to tell people because it was
a medical condition. No. That's not what it is.
It's not what it is. You can't say that. And
of all sports, if someone scores more points
in basketball, well, that's unfair. But if someone
beats the fuck out of someone because they're
lying about being a biological male, that's crazy.
You're literally allowing someone to get brain
damage because you want to appeal to the woke
fucking crazy people to think it's all right.
It's so strange. That's sort of the thing that
red -pilled me. When I got attacked for that,
I'm like, this is so nuts. I can't believe we're
at this stage where I'm saying, hey, I don't
think it's cool if you pretend you're a woman
and beat the fuck out of women and people are
like, you're out of line. Totally. We're in fantasy
land now. Now we're pretending because it helps
you. It helps you feel better. Totally. It's
just such a strange time. And if it wasn't for
something like Twitter, where this could be discussed.
Want some more of that? I'll get some more major.
Let's get some more coffee, young Jamie. If it
wasn't for Twitter, you know, at the early Twitters,
you would be kicked off forever if you just dead
named someone. Which is insane. Insane. Yeah.
Insane. I mean, especially if you think about
all the things that like the look. The Harris
campaign and the lies that they've told about
Trump that we discussed earlier, you don't get
kicked off for that, but you get kicked off for
calling Caitlyn Jenner Bruce forever, for life.
Yeah. That's totally insane. Yeah. But if it
wasn't for you buying that and changing Twitter,
I don't think we would be where we're at right
now. I think it was a pivotal moment. I think
historically when people look back on it, it's
going to be a pivotal moment in this very bizarre
fight for the freedom of information. Yeah. Well,
I mean at the time I said I think – like look,
I think this is existential to the United States.
It's existential to democracy because if you
don't have freedom of speech, you don't have
democracy, OK? Because if people – if you don't
have freedom of speech, people cannot make an
informed vote. If they're just being fed propaganda
and there's no freedom of speech, democracy is
an illusion. So freedom of speech is the bedrock
of democracy. That's why freedom of speech is
the First Amendment. Once you lose freedom of
speech, you lose democracy. Game over. That's
why I bought Twitter. And it seems so simple.
Yes. It seems so clear that everyone should agree
to that on the left or on the right. You shouldn't
be given the government. If you imagine the Bush
administration during the Iraq war, imagine if
they had complete total control of propaganda
and of dissent online. You don't want that. No
one wants that. No one from the left would want
that. We shouldn't want it from the left either.
Absolutely. And there's also like the media,
like the legacy. With the mainstream media, what
I call legacy media at this point, it used to
be much more balanced. Like if you look at sort
of political donations over time, Republican
versus Democrat, there used to be – the media
was – I mean they always had like a left bias.
But there was like – I don't know. It was like
two -thirds Democrat, one -third Republican type
of thing in terms of journalists giving – making
political donations. Now it's like 95 percent
or something Democrat. So the legacy media, the
mainstream media, is not balanced at all. They're
just a mouthpiece for the Democratic Party. And
you can see that in how consistent their headlines
are. Like, they don't behave like they're different
organizations. They behave like they're all one
hive mind. So, you know, like a week before the
Biden -Trump debate, every media organization
was saying, you know, Biden is sharp as a tack.
I mean, it's like, guys, sharp as a tack is not
a common tone of phrase. And literally every
TV station, every newspaper was like, sharp as
a tack. Like, I saw a compilation of all the,
you know, the news anchors going, Biden's sharp
as a tack, sharp as a tack, sharp as a tack,
sharp as a tack. It was absurd. And there's obviously
a huge lie. He is, in fact, not sharp as a tack,
as the public learned one week later. My favorite
was Joe Scarborough. Yeah. That was wild. Yeah.
Listen to me. This is the best version of Biden
ever. The sharpest. Like, what the fuck are you
saying? And then after the debate, he's like,
what do we got to get rid of him? Yeah. This
is crazy. Like, what did you just say a couple
of weeks ago? Literally. Yes, exactly. Well,
the other thing was when they decided that J
.D. Vance was weird. Remember that one? And then
there's weirds everywhere. Weird, weird. Oh,
you don't want a weird guy. Meanwhile, you have
fucking Tim Walsh as your VP. You don't think
that guy's weird? Super weird. He's weird in
every way. The way he walks, the way he waves
his hands. Yeah, he reminds me of the clown emoji.
He's a bizarre guy. He's a strange dude. I just
don't understand why they made that choice. Yeah,
it gives a creep. I just don't understand why
they made that choice. There's a lot of other
people that are qualified. I don't know why.
I read that Kamala Harris made that decision
when she was sleep deprived, which is kind of
hilarious that she said that. So she's kind of
admitting she kind of fucked up. Yeah. I mean,
they obviously should have picked Josh Shapiro.
I mean, Governor of Pennsylvania. Like that would
have been the no brainer move. Like Pennsylvania
is a linchpin state. Do you think it's because
he's Jewish because of Shapiro that like the
anti -Palestine people would probably or the
anti -Palestinian invasion? I think it was an
anti -Semitic thing. Yeah. It could be that they
thought that that was a liability because there's
all these pro -Palestine people right now because
of the situation in Israel. That completely makes
sense that they thought that would be a liability.
I don't know the reason. I'm just guessing. But
it seems like a crazy thing to do given that
Pennsylvania is a lynchpin state. It's like the
key to the election. Why would you not pick the
popular governor of Pennsylvania? Right. Obviously.
Obviously, yeah. And other than that, there's
a bunch of other ones too, even Newsom. There's
a bunch of other people that you could have chosen.
Newsom would have been a fine. of someone that
you could... I mean, I don't agree with the guy.
Exactly. He's a polished politician. Like, he
lies about as much as Walsh does, but he doesn't
lie about the... He doesn't say he was a fucking
head coach when he was assistant coach. He doesn't
say he was in Tiananmen Square. I mean, that's
a liability. All those different things, lying
about his military rank. And Walsh, like, you
know, cut and run when he was actually called
to duty? Well, he knew they were going to be
deployed months in advance, so he resigned. Then
he also took... So this is where he was dishonest
about his rank. Yeah, he claimed he was like
a sergeant major or something like that. Because
that was like what he was going to get if he
stayed. But then he resigned because he knew
that he was going to get deployed, allegedly.
I mean, that seems like a cowardly action. Well,
whatever it is, it's dishonest. I mean, just
to say, look, just saying that you were a head
coach when you're an assistant coach is fucking
crazy. That's a lie. Don't do that. You should
never do that. Saying he was in Tiananmen Square
or whatever, or in Hong Kong, whatever. Like,
yo, that's one of the most... the biggest moments
in history. It's not like you forgot what you
had for lunch last week. Right. And not only
that, but you don't think people are going to
research that? Yeah, totally. I mean, and the
response during the debate was bananas. I'm a
knucklehead. Well, yeah, we don't want a knucklehead
for a VP, okay? Yeah, this is like, sometimes
I'm a knucklehead. Like, what are you saying?
Are you saying you lied? Like, what did you,
I mean, this is where you need a podcast and
not a debate. Right, exactly. Where you go, okay.
When did you first say that you were in Tiananmen
Square? Did someone say it and you didn't refute
it and you got stuck with it? Because this is
the thing about carrying weapons of war. You
didn't deploy in war. You can't say that. But
you kind of let people say that you deployed
and then you kind of didn't. You were deployed
in war. So did you lie or did someone else lie?
You didn't correct them? Like this is the kind
of conversation that you would want to have with
a guy in a podcast. Yes. And the debates were
so fucking skewed where they were correcting,
like particularly the Biden one, where they're
correcting Trump over and over again and then
correcting Trump with Kamala. Yes. Where Kamala
was saying things that were probably not true.
I mean, Kamala deliberately repeated the Fine
People hoax and was not fact -checked. Well,
not only that, she also said that no troops were
being deployed in a war zone. I mean, I know
troops in war zones. And as vice president, you're
privy. You know the official troops and the unofficial
troops. Right. So what she said was a flat -out,
bold -faced lie. Flat out. Next level of all
face lie. Have you seen the video? An absurd
lie. Of the troops that were watching it take
place. And what the fuck are we? They're watching
it in real time. Making a video. We're here being
shot at. So crazy. Crazy. But it just shows you
the level of propaganda that we're being subject
to, which is why people think Donald Trump is
the devil. Because the machine has gone all out
as far as it can go with lawfare, with propaganda,
with lies. pushing as much in this direction
as humanly possible connecting it to the Nazi
rally like every step of the way no wonder why
boomers are like rabid like you gotta keep this
Nazi out of office he's a fascist exactly if
all you get is like if your entire exposure is
to legacy mainstream media So all your information
sources are that Trump is basically Hitler. And
your friend group has that same information.
You have no countervailing opinion. Right. So
then then they actually just think like Trump
is Hitler, even though it's like a little strange.
He didn't do Hitler things the last four years.
Yeah. You know, I'm like, if he's Hitler, why
didn't he do Hitler things when he was president
for four years? Right. Like the reason, you know,
we hate Hitler is because of he started wars
and did genocide, not because he was a snappy
dresser. You know, and I'm like, so tell me about
the wars and genocide that Trump did. Right.
I don't remember that. And he was president for
four. years. So it's insane. It makes no sense.
Well, and also he's campaigning on stopping all
the wars. Yes. It's like his primary concern.
Exactly. The warmongers like Liz Cheney hate
him. Yeah. Because they love war. Well, they
profit off of it. They profit off of war. Yeah.
Yes. Which is insane. Insane. Yeah. And that
this is happening right in front of everybody's
face. Yeah. The war profiteers hate Trump. Yeah.
Which is fucked up. I mean, it's like we should
be like, yeah, let's vote for the guy that the
war profiteers hate. That sounds like a great
idea. It was the wildest thing when Dick Cheney
endorsed Kamala and the left went crazy. Like,
yay, Dick Cheney's on our side. I'm like, can
we play all the videos where you said Dick Cheney
was the devil? It's the craziest turn, the craziest
180 I've ever seen in my life because there's
no reason for it. Yeah. It doesn't make any sense.
It doesn't make any sense. There's no logic to
it at all. Just all of a sudden, he's the devil.
Yeah. Or he's not the devil. He's good. It's
good that he's supporting Kamala, even Dick Cheney.
You know? I mean, warmongers want the Kamala
puppet regime. Because they will get more and
more? It's so strange watching all these Hollywood
celebrities step up and they think it's going
to get them more movies or something. That's
what it is. If you know those people, so many
of them are just complete narcissists. Well,
let me tell you how it actually works there.
What happens is these celebrities, they get a
call. They get a call from someone powerful in
Hollywood. And that person says, you know, it
would be really great if you endorsed Kamala.
You don't have to. It's up to you. But if you
don't. They don't say it. They don't say it.
But if you don't, you're just never going to
get a call again. No more movies. No more concerts.
But they'll ask it. They'll ask in a really nice
way. It would be really nice if you endorse comedy.
This is important. And so they don't say that
if you don't. They don't make the threat. They
don't need to. But everyone knows what will happen
if you don't. Well, I think there's also, even
if they don't think that something's going to
happen to them, if they don't, there's this.
compelling feeling to support this cause that
you think is going to get you a bunch of positive
attention. And you're going to be on the right
side of history and all these narratives that
you, especially from the left in Hollywood, like
they're all in on whoever the fuck is the Democrat.
Always. 100%. There's never a call from the Hollywood
machine to support any Republicans. I've never
seen it once. Yeah, never, never. So it's like
you realize that – and that whole business is
based on getting picked. The whole business is
not necessarily merit -based. There's a lot of
brilliant actors you never hear from. There's
a lot of people who can do that. But they don't
get chosen for roles and everybody knows this,
that you have to sort of socialize. You turn
the line or you don't get chosen for the roles
because there's a lot of competition for the
roles. That's why I say like when someone powerful
in Hollywood who's able to choose these roles
calls one of these celebrities, they know the
deal. Yeah. There's no threat as necessary. Well,
you could see it in real time, like with Dennis
Quaid when he made that Reagan movie, and they
wouldn't let him advertise on social media platforms.
They were banning ads for it. Yeah. For what?
Because it was an election year. Like, what are
you talking about? This is about a guy who's
dead. Yes. A guy who was president a long -ass
time ago. How does this have anything to do with
the election year? Yeah. But it's the punishment.
It's like you stepped outside the line. You supported
the other guy. Yeah. The problem is you'll just
never get a call again for a movie or concert
or whatever it is. Yeah, which is crazy. That's
the issue. I mean we used to allow people to
be a Republican and still be a movie star like
Clint Eastwood. Reagan. Yeah, but Clint Eastwood.
Yeah. Like during the Obama administration, Clint
Eastwood was like an outspoken Republican and
yet was – You know a giant movie star and people's
like that's Clint. It was allowed you were allowed
to There was a variety of different opinion Charlton
Heston. There was a variety of different opinions
You were allowed to have but now you're not now.
It's just like in once Trump Trump got into office
He became this focal point where all logic was
thrown out the window. And it's just Trump is
bad. You have to attack Trump. Trump is right.
Right wing's bad. Everyone right wing is bad.
Christian's bad. Yes. It's just strange. Yeah,
exactly. So, well, I'll say it again, man. I
think this was the last election. If Trump doesn't
win, this is the last election. I think you're
right. Yeah. I think you're right. I think. People
and a lot of people are waking up and realize
that that have been lifelong Democrats, guys
like Bill Ackman, guys like Chamath. Exactly.
Tulsi Gabbard switched over to the Republicans.
Like there's a lot of people who their whole
life they've been left wing and they realize,
like, I can't do this anymore. And I used to
be Democrats. Yeah. So, yeah. Yeah. It's nuts.
It's nuts, man. And, you know, I mean, I think
the things we want are just pretty basic. You
know, it's like we want individual liberties
and we want. America will remain the land of
freedom and opportunity. So we maximize people's
personal freedom. The government can't barge
into your house and kill your fucking pet. That's
fucked up. And that you succeed as a function
of your hard work and talent, not anything else.
Not race, religion, sex, doesn't matter. The
basic stuff. What did you change the acronym
DEI? What did you change it to? Oh, D -I -E?
What is it? Die. I mean, because diversity, inclusion,
and equity is D -I -E. Didn't you change it to
dedication, excellence? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,
America being a land of opportunity means that
we have an environment where you succeed as a
function of your hard work and skill. Yes. Radical.
Radical. The best person succeeds. This makes
you right wing now. I'm like, okay, great. I
don't care. You're not a real country unless
you have secure borders. You're just a fake country.
Our cities are unsafe and dirty. You know, my
mom was telling me, my mom's like pretty red
-pilled at this point. But you know what's going
to red -pill you really, really fast is having
your friends get assaulted on the streets of
New York. Yeah. And that happened to three of
her friends this year. Got assaulted on the streets
of New York just walking around. Yeah. And nobody
got arrested. Nothing. Nothing happened. Well,
the morale of the police is like depleted. Yeah.
Substantially. For sure, the morale of the police
is depleted. And then also, like, if you're a
police officer and you're arresting someone who's
violent, you're putting your life at risk, obviously,
because sometimes they'll try to kill you. And
then if you know that arresting this violent
person, they will be immediately released by
the DA, which happens in New York. Alvin Bragg
doesn't prosecute people. Then why should a police
officer put their life at risk to arrest someone
when they know they will not be? they will just
be let out immediately. Yeah. It's pointless.
Yeah. It's like the frigging Joker. It's like,
you know, Dark Knight, like, the frigging Joker
is in charge. Yeah. Like, the criminals run free
and the citizens are arrested. That, like, this
is why I keep coming back to this, like, still
pretty shook about the frigging squirrel thing.
It's like, you know, at gunpoint, force the guy
to, like, stay outside his house while they,
got his pets and killed them. Meanwhile, you
know, violent felons are running free, and this
is in New York State, are running free. It's
a joker. Yeah, it's not. The law -abiding citizens
are, you know, arrested, and the criminals are,
like, free. This is fucked up, guys. Just the
fact that they have the resources to do that
when they have all the crime that they have.
You have the resources and the government resources
to go kill someone's squirrel? Yeah. This whole
idea of this government efficiency agency. Yeah.
I mean, call it whatever you want. What do you
want to call it? I mean, I think the funniest
name is DOGE, the DOGE, Department of Government
Efficiency. Yeah, I mean, the idea is pretty
simple, is that we've got this suffocating, massive
federal bureaucracy, and we need to... That is
– and the government spending is like bankrupting
the country. Our interest payments on the national
debt now exceed the Defense Department budget,
which is – the Defense Department budget is like
a trillion dollars a year. Interest payments
on the national debt are now higher than the
Defense Department budget and growing like every
month. So it's like it's not like basically we're
on a path to bankruptcy. America's on a path
to bankruptcy. So we have to cut government spending
or we're just going to go bankrupt just like
a person would if that overspends. But it's even
worse than that. We're spending money on all
these government agencies. And I actually asked
the AI how many government agencies are there.
And the government isn't even sure how many government
agencies there are. So it's like somewhere around
450 depending on what you call an agency. So
they're at the federal level. So that's almost
twice as many agencies as years that America
has existed. So we're creating agencies at roughly
two agencies a year. Wow. Yes. So this is insane.
I wonder if there's even one person who could
even name all the 450 agencies at the federal
level. There might be no one. But there's hardly
anyone, let's just say. I bet most people couldn't
even name like 100. So this is crazy. So we've
got this suffocating, this vast suffocating federal
bureaucracy that just gets bigger every year.
And eventually you get to the point where everything
is illegal. You can't get anything done. So what
can be done like with... So obviously the president
has a lot of power, but how much power and what
can be done in terms of like eliminating agencies,
eliminating waste, eliminating? Yeah. Well, I
mean, so like if Congress has created an agency,
then often if you look at the law, the law is
like pretty simple. Like the agency has like
a very simple task. But then that agency over
time vastly increases its authority and starts
doing things that were never authorized by Congress.
That's happened with pretty much every agency.
So, yeah, you'd have to still keep an agency.
You'd have to match the law, but you can curtail
the agencies to be much smaller and say you've
got to stick to what Congress authorized instead
of all this other stuff you're doing, which I
think makes sense. And so is the other stuff
they're doing just essentially bureaucracy run
amok where they just create jobs and create things
to do and create a meaning for their existence?
Yeah. It's like a tumor. It's just going to keep
growing. Jesus Christ. And so, I mean, for SpaceX,
Starship was sitting on the pad. The rocket,
the giant rocket. We could build the rocket faster
than they could process the paperwork to approve
the launch. So we're sitting there for two months.
But do you think that they're doing that on purpose
to fuck with you? I can't, I mean, maybe a little,
but I mean, that would also not be cool. Yeah.
Another way to think of it is like the amount
of paperwork is going to go roughly with the
square of the number of agencies involved because
they will have to meet with each other. So let's
say in the best case situation, if you've got
like – if there's like – if you're dealing with
one agency, that's one thing. But if you've got
to deal with five agencies and the agencies will
have to meet with each other, now you've got
like – 25 different meeting configurations that
have to take place. You get just hardening of
the arteries. You just can't make progress. This
is why we can't build high -speed rail in America.
It's basically illegal. Right. So this has been
the argument has always been that we need regulation
because we need to protect the environment. We
need to protect people. We need to make sure
the rule of law is followed. So we need a certain
amount of regulation. But overregulation is a
giant problem. That's a big issue in California.
It's a huge issue anywhere where bureaucracy
has run amok. They make it very difficult to
get anything done. Yes. I mean, what happens
is every year there are more rules and regulations
created. And in the past, what has served as
a cleansing function for rules and regulations
is war. Because like, well, we're going to lose
if we don't kind of clear the decks. But we haven't
really had an existential threat of war in the
U .S. We've had prosperity for a long time, which
has resulted in a massive buildup of rules and
regulations every year. And to the point where,
like I said, everything's illegal. And it's not
like any one regulation is the problem. It's
like Gulliver being tied down by a million little
strings. It's not like any one string is the
problem, but you've got a million of them. So
we've got to clear the decks here. And I'm not
saying we shouldn't have regulators. I'm just
saying we've gone way too far. One should think
of regulators like referees on a field, you know,
a sports field. You don't want to have no refs.
You want to have some number of refs. But you
don't want to have way more refs than players.
Right. You don't want to be like, well, you know,
the running back couldn't complete the pass because
there were too many regulators in the way because
the football field is full of regulators. Yeah.
You know, it's like you can't even play the game.
Right. That's the issue we've got right now.
Well, that's a great analogy. Yeah, I can imagine
a football field that's filled with referees.
It's just like the football field is filled with
refs, you know. Yeah, you can't even run past
them. Yeah. Yeah. That I've seen criticism of
this idea of you coming up with this department
of like firing a bunch of people and what would
happen and how would that work? But the criticism
doesn't make any sense to me because if there
is. If you measurably, if you can prove that
there's a lot of wasted time and resources, which
I think is pretty easy to do. And if you could
say that this is not the most efficient, like
the most efficient businesses are generally private
businesses or a company because they kind of
have to be in order to stay profitable. The government
doesn't have to be profitable. They don't have
to be efficient. They don't have competition.
So if you're making cars and your cars break
down and they suck and someone makes cars and
the cars are better, they're going to succeed.
So this is the free market. The government doesn't
have this problem when they're in charge of certain
things that could probably be better served by
the private sector. Yeah, absolutely. Well, look,
I just think we've got far too many government
agencies. The federal bureaucracy has gotten
out of hand, and we just need to pare it down
to a sensible level. And if it turns out that
there's some regulation or agency that was doing
something useful, we can put it right back. No
problem. It's like, oh, that regulation was important?
No problem. We'll put it right back. Right. As
long as we actually know. Right. But to be able
to look at it logically and objectively. And
you were also floating around the idea of offering
a large severance to the people that you're going
to have removed. Yeah. Like a couple of years
or something like that. Is that what you're saying?
Yeah. I mean, I'm just these are, again, just
ideas. But I mean, it's the point is not that
people suffer economic hardship. The point is
just that they're it's better. There are more
productive things they can do in the economy.
And it'll be better if they did these. other
more productive things. And we didn't have this
fast pedal bureaucracy. So, so like, so I was
like, ah, you know, maybe like a couple of years
of pay would be good. And then they could take
a vacation. They could take a, take another job
and get double pay. I mean, it's like, it's not
like a. it's not going to create an economic
crisis. I think it's actually going to be really
good, I think, because people can move to where
they're making products and services that are
more useful to their fellow human beings. The
problem is if someone has like a 25, 30 -year
career of being institutionalized, you're essentially
like a part of the government system. You've
sort of... programmed your life and your career
to be a part of this bureaucratic system. And
then you're like, nope, you have to go out and
compete in the free market. You're like, oh.
That's scary to people. But you have to be valuable.
You have to actually be valuable. Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, let's look at like, you know, whatever
the government pension and stuff. They're not
going to be, you know, in tough. I think they'll
be in good financial shape. How are you going
to have the time to oversee all this shit? Well,
I'm pretty good at improving efficiency. I would
say so. Yeah. But still, this seems like a giant
undertaking. Yeah. I'll probably need to beef
up security. Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure. But like
I said, no one's going to experience, I think,
economic hardship. They'll be fine. People do
find other roles. You can look at sort of, you
know, like when East Germany and West Germany
got back together, you know, everyone was basically
working for the government in East Germany. And
it was really inefficient. And that like their
economic output was like in East Germany was
like a quarter of what it was in West Germany
because everyone was working for the government.
The government's like fundamentally inefficient.
The best example is probably North and South
Korea, right? Yeah. The people are starving in
North Korea and South Korea is incredibly prosperous.
Yeah. So and it's the same people, just different
operating system. Right. So, you know, it's just
like you just want to move people from, you know,
less productive things to more productive things.
Because you could also say like in the limit,
like let's just say let's consider the other
direction where we moved a whole bunch of people
that were in the private sector doing making
goods and services and move them into the government
as regulators. Now they stop making those goods
and services. So the stuff they were making is
no longer available. Now they're just being regulators.
Like, is that a good thing? That's not a good
thing. Doesn't sound good. No, it's not good.
Doesn't sound like there's a real market for
it. Like, you're creating jobs that don't necessarily
need to be there. There are all these fake jobs,
basically. And that doesn't make sense. So, look,
we've got to do this. Because the country's going
bankrupt. Like, if we don't take action, we're...
Dollars are going to be worth nothing. And the
interest payments, which are already 23 % of
all government income, including income taxes,
tariffs, and everything, is just going to pay
interest right now. And that number is continually
rising. So if we don't do something, the entire
government budget will be paying interest. There
won't be money for anything. No, there won't
be money for Social Security. There won't be
money for Medicare, nothing. That's where we're
headed. That's what bankruptcy means. Yeah, that's
such an insane concept. Yes. It's like, hello,
wake up. Wake up. And if somebody can tell me,
can show me, like pencil out the math, show me
how this works, I'd love to hear it. But I'm
just like, listen, I'm looking at the numbers
here and I'm like, if we're going to do something.
America's toast. There won't be money for anything.
Trump likes to talk about a lot is tariffs. Yeah.
What are your thoughts on tariffs? I know that's
very controversial to even people, economists.
They disagree. Some agree. Some think it's a
good idea. Some think it's a terrible idea. What
do you think? I think you need to be careful
with tariffs. I deal a lot with supply chain
issues. The global automotive supply chain for
Tesla, for example, is incredibly complex. So
when there are sudden changes in tariffs, then
you're like, well, we've got a factory somewhere
else that's making a part that goes into the
car. Now, if that part's suddenly twice as expensive,
it messes everything up. So you want to have
tariffs be predictable. So companies can adjust
their supply chain. I think companies are more
than happy to increase manufacturing in America.
It's just that you can't do it instantly. So
if you put up giant tariffs immediately and don't
give companies a chance to build factories in
America, because you've got to move atoms. You've
got to build a building. You've got to install
equipment. You've got to train people. That doesn't
happen instantly. So you want to have a ramp
so that companies can adjust and build the factories
and train the people and get the equipment in
place. Otherwise, you basically just shock the
system and it breaks or bad things happen. So
I'm against sudden giant tariffs because it's
an impossible response if you've got to... move
1 ,000 tons of equipment. In some cases, collectively,
millions of tons of equipment. You just can't
do that overnight. It's literally impossible.
So I think we want to be thoughtful about tariffs
and give companies a ramp. I do generally agree
that America should do more manufacturing. I'm
a big manufacturing guy. I love manufacturing.
I've spent a lot of time in the factory. We've
talked openly about the difficulties of manufacturing
and how complicated it is and about most people
aren't really aware of something that's as complex
as, say, building a Tesla. Manufacturing is super
hard and complicated. A lot of people, they've
never been in a factory or they don't know how
difficult it is to make things. And for a lot
of people, I think just ketchup comes from the
store. For a lot of people who've been in academia
or for all these socialist communist types, they've
never actually made anything. So they're operating
on the premise that there's this magical horn
of plenty that just outputs goods and services.
And if someone's got more goods and services
than someone else's because they took more from
this magical horn of plenty. And I'm like, guys,
there's no magical horn of plenty. There's no
cornucopia. It's actually goods and services
come from people working collectively, doing
a lot of hard work to produce the goods and services
that you like and that you need. But we've become
very accustomed to these things happening overseas.
I mean, America is still the second biggest manufacturer
in the world, so we still make a lot of stuff,
but we could make more. We probably should make
more. I think we should value manufacturing a
lot more in the United States than we currently
do. Well, it would be very nice if we were completely
self -sufficient. Like medicine, there's a bunch
of different things that get manufactured overseas.
It was a huge problem during COVID because all
the shipping was shut down. Yeah. I mean, you
don't want to say like – so there's a lot of
merit to the economics of comparative advantage.
So if you're completely self -sufficient, what
that means is that – You make all the stuff yourself,
and even if some other country is really good
at making something, you still make it yourself,
which means you're going to have the inferior,
more costly product domestically. Right. Like
Soviet Russia. Yeah. Like trade improves prosperity.
This is important. So you don't actually want
to make everything yourself. And you can run
this – like you can think of this thought experiment
on a sort of a micro scale or small scale and
then expand that and say where does the – at
what point does the thought experiment no longer
prove to be valid? Now, let's consider the case
of you as an individual. Imagine you have to
do everything yourself. You have to farm. You
have to grow chickens. You have to do – if you
want eggs, you've got to build your own house.
You've got to do your own electrical repair,
your own plumbing, everything yourself. Everything.
Now that would be impossible. Okay, now let's
expand it to, okay, there's 10 people. Now you're
going to have some specialization of tasks. Okay,
well, maybe one person could be really good at
construction. Another person could be good at
farming. But it's still 10 people is not enough.
It's like, let's go to 100 people. Now let's
go to 100 million people. Now let's go to a billion
people. And you still get the economics of...
specialization, like specialization of labor,
where people become expert at particular things,
still matters at a billion people, or at eight
billion people, which is Earth. So you still
want, you do want specialization of labor. You
do want countries to be really good at a particular
thing and make that thing. Also, it encourages
innovation if you have competition. If the Germans
are making better cars, we have to make better
cars. We have to compete with them, which is
like one of the things that happened during like
the 80s and 90s, and America was making crap
cars, and Germany was making much better ones.
Yeah, exactly. I mean, yeah, the Japanese car,
I mean, yeah. I mean, basically, the American
car industry got really lazy in the 70s and 80s,
and then the Japanese and German car companies
came in and just cleaned the clock, you know.
And there was like an old joke that is kind of
telling. It's a very old joke where it's like,
why did the Japanese car companies beat the American
car companies? Well, it's like, well, in the
Japanese car company, you had eight people rowing
and one person steering. And in the American
car company, you had eight people steering and
one person rowing, if this was a boat. So imagine
the boat race. Yeah. Japanese boat, you've got
eight people rowing and one person steering.
In the American boat, you've got one person rowing
and eight people steering. And when the American
car company loses the race, they fire the rower.
And it's like, okay, that was actually kind of
true. Everyone wants to be the boss and everyone
wants to do the work type of thing. Yeah. One
thing that a lot of people are concerned about
is... the potential disruption that's going to
come about with automation and ai that a lot
of these jobs manufacturing jobs uh teamsters
all that stuff is going to be eliminated what
what do you mean you're at the forefront of this
so how do you see this playing out and what do
you think that can be done to mitigate A lot
of the loss of purpose that a lot of people are
going to feel, loss of income, obviously universal
basic income is being floated about. But that
seems to me to only be part of the problem. Another
big part of the problem is people losing a sense
of purpose. Yeah. Now we're talking about something
which is still pretty far in the future. How
far do you think it is? Well, I mean it's – It's
probably, I don't know, 15, 20 years of a thing.
So we've got like immediate issues. We've got
short -term issues that are, I don't know, one
to three years. Medium -term issues like five
to 10 years. Longer -term issues which are like
maybe 20 years. Longer -term, I think there is
this question if you have AI and robotics, how
do you find meaning in life? If the computer
can do everything better than you can and the
robot can do everything better than you can.
But we're still... We've got a long way to go
before that. And I do think it's like 80 % likely
to be a good outcome, like maybe 90. So I think
everyone's going to have their own personal robot.
And I think at some point, wouldn't you want
to have your own personal C -3PO R2 -D2? So it's
going to be essentially just like everyone has
their own phone. Yeah, everyone will have their
own robot buddy. Like literally. Well, it would
be great if it protected you. Like if you walked
down the street of New York City and you have
a Terminator with you. I don't know about the
tone of it. Hopefully we're going to avoid, we
don't want this to be the plot of a James Cameron,
you know, more Gene Roddenberry than James Cameron
movie situation. But it would be fascinating
to watch some rich person walk down the street
of New York City flanked by two giant Tesla robots,
jack Tesla robots that were there to protect
you. Like RoboCop or something, but just fully
robots. Somebody fully robot there to protect
you from a bad neighborhood. Yeah. That would
be very interesting. I mean, this is... You could
potentially see that. Yeah. Restaurants would
probably have no robot rules. You can't bring
a robot. Yeah, leave a robot. Yeah, leave your
robot outside. Your robot's standing by the table.
Man, the future's going to be wild. It's going
to be wild. Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be really
unpredictable. Like, I don't think... I mean,
you probably have a pretty good sense of it,
but I think most people don't understand the
wave that's coming. Yeah. kind of completely
drown society and change it forever. Yeah. Like
I said, it's not going to happen overnight, but
20 years from now, I think there's going to be
more humanoid robots than there are humans. Really?
Yes. More humanized robots. That's so crazy.
So that's like more guns. We have more guns than
people in America. We'll have more robots than
people in America as well. Yes. You'll have a
bunch of old robots nobody wants anymore. I guess.
Early versions or something. In a historical
timeline. 20 years in the past has not been that
big of a deal. I mean, this is a big deal, but
you go from like 1900, 1920, not that big of
a deal. 1920, 1940, kind of a big deal. 1940,
1960, things start getting weird. 60 to 80, wow,
that's a big difference. 80 to 2000, holy shit,
now you have the internet. 2000 to 2020, whoa,
this is nuts. You have propaganda, social media,
YouTube, streaming. 20 years from now, what are
we even talking about? It's going to be that
much of a shift. It's all accelerating. And we're
in the middle of it, so it's very difficult to
feel it while it's happening. Because it kind
of just feels like life. And you just get adapted
to the changes. Yeah. I mean, people's phones
at this point are a supercomputer in their pocket,
like an article that can answer any questions
for people to take it for granted. Yeah. It's
normal. Yeah. They get mad if it doesn't work.
Yeah. It's like Louis C .K.'s joke about using
your phone when you're on a plane. Ah, fucking
piece of shit. You're in the sky. You're floating
in the air. And that will work with Starlink,
too. What's that? It will work with Starlink.
The Starlink connection, it'll be like being
on the ground. Well, I was telling you how I
used Starlink when I was in Utah. I was in the
mountains of Utah. There was no cell phone service
anywhere near. And we had full YouTube. We had
text messages, FaceTime, everything. Phone calls.
It was nuts. And it was this big of a cigar box.
It's crazy. It's so light. When I brought it
out there, like, that's it or this is it. Just
plug it in. And the guys I was in camp with were
like, this is crazy. The whole camp was, like,
sharing it. So it was, like, 10 people using
the Wi -Fi signal. It's nuts. And then, you know,
that's the beginning. I mean, what you're at
right now is, like, what version? This is Starlink
Mini, right? So this is, like, a very small version.
How much smaller can it scale down from that?
Well, there's a certain area that you need. The
bigger the area, the more you can... Higher bandwidth?
Yeah, because you're trying to catch these photons,
essentially. So you can think of the area of
the antenna is... The more area you have, the
more photons you can catch. But we have a direct
-to -cell capability as well. We've been launching
that. It will turn on probably in a few months.
That will actually connect directly to a cell
phone unmodified. But because the cell phone
is a much worse antenna than a dedicated antenna,
it will be about 100 times less bandwidth. But
still, you'll be able to do text messages, pictures.
like medium resolution videos, that kind of thing.
One of the cool things about the new phone, the
new iPhone, the iPhone 16, I got it and I was
in the mountains last month and I was text messaging
with satellites. Yeah. iMessages. Right. And
receiving them. But just text. Yeah, just text.
Yeah. But still pretty impressive. Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, what are we going to be looking at 100
years from now? I mean, when you... 100 years
from now, I hope civilization's around. Yeah,
that'll be a win. Yeah. What are the chances
that we fuck this whole thing up? 50 %? It's
hard to say. I don't think civilization will
be totally destroyed unless there's some really
massive global thermonuclear war. I mean, Stephen
Hawking, he would say that there was at least
a 1 % chance of total annihilation every century.
That was his rough estimate. But there's a much
bigger chance of civilization being less capable
than it is today. So you say like, well, because
you look at, say, these various civilizations
throughout history, whether it's like ancient
Sumerians or the Egyptians, the... There's like
a life cycle to civilization. They reached a
peak and then they started subsiding. So I think
a bigger question is like, will our technology
level be better or worse than it is today in
100 years? I think it's probably going to be
better. But any estimates are going to be so...
There's so many dependencies. Like an estimate
I think is – I'm not sure it has any meaning
because it's like there's so many things that
can happen in 100 years. Well, the logical hope
is always that people pay attention to history
and they recognize the patterns and how civilizations
have collapsed. And they recognize what's going
wrong in the current society and say we have
to do our best to mitigate this. And we've seen
this happen before. Let's course correct and
let's sort of – to manage what we've got here
now and maintain what we've got here now because
it's pretty extraordinary. This is what we're
hoping for with this election. This is what we're
hoping for with the future, is that people can
see we are on a bad path and something can be
done right now. And it might be the only moment
in history where this is possible. Because if
they do, lock the country down and make it so
that voting is kind of bullshit. You're only
voting for primaries. And the people that they
put in the primaries, they're controlling that
in the first place. You don't really have democracy
anymore. You don't really have choice. You don't
really have freedom. That's right. Yeah, I think
freedom is fundamentally at stake in the election
tomorrow. And we'll know. I think we'll know
by the end of the day tomorrow. I don't think
it's going to take. It's not going to be like
days after the election. I think we'll know tomorrow.
Are you optimistic? I am currently optimistic,
but the biggest factor here is that men need
to vote. That is the biggest issue. So I don't
know what the reason is, but men just vote at
a much lower rate than women. I think it's like
9%, right? Someone just told me that today. It's
a big difference. And I'm just saying as a message
to the men out there, vote like your life depends
on it because I think it does. Vote. Vote tomorrow
like your life depends on it. Nothing is more
important. I agree. Listen, man, thank you for
being here. I know you're busy as fuck, so I
really appreciate your time. Again, I thank you
so much for buying Twitter because I really do
believe that you've changed the course of history.
I really do think you've created a pathway where
people can actually express themselves and actually
exchange information that really didn't exist
before. And I think it was dangerous. It is dangerous.
Hopefully I live long enough to see my kids grow
up and people on Mars. That would be cool. That's
all I'm asking for here. I don't think that's
too much to ask. Thank you very much. Appreciate
you. Thank you. My pleasure. All right. Bye,
folks.