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Welcome to this curated educational transcript of the Joe Rogan Experience. In this session, we provide a deep-dive examination of the critical perspectives and historical dialogues presented in Episode #1999. Our mission is to offer a high-fidelity, searchable research resource for students of cultural history, emerging technology, and global discourse. This transcript has been specifically optimized for academic reference, linguistic study, and archival preservation regarding Vaccine Safety Science, Regulatory Capture, and Environmental Law History. Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan

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Experience. Showing by day, Joe Rogan Podcast

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by night, all day. I like them because they keep

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people from locking in, but one of the things

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that I wanted to make sure I did in this conversation

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is not interrupt you. Because it's very frustrating

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for me when I'm hearing people talk in these,

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what should be long form. conversations about

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very important and nuanced things. And, you know,

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I think one of the things that happens is people

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are very concerned with letting you say things

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that is going to get them in trouble or get their

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channel in trouble. Like there's people that

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are doing a lot of self -censoring. And I think

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they're doing that also when they have these

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conversations with you because they want to establish

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right away that they have problems with you.

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And they have problems with some of the positions

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that... A lot of people have problems with. I

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was one of those people. So when I had heard

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of you in the past before I had read your book

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and before I'd met you, I had no information

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on you. But there was this narrative and this

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narrative was you were anti -vax and you believed

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in pseudoscience and you were kind of loony.

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I didn't look into it at all. I just took it

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at face value because that's what everybody had

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said. And in my mind, vaccines have been one

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of the most important medical advancements in

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human history, saved countless lives, protected

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children. And I thought very strongly that they

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were important. I didn't have any information

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on that either. This was also just a narrative

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that I've adopted from cursory reading of news

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articles and, you know, not really getting into

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the subject at all. Then the pandemic happens.

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And I had quite a few very reasonable, liberal

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people, rational people, people that I trusted

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their mind, recommend The Real Anthony Fauci,

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your book. And I'm like, Robert Kennedy wrote

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a book about Anthony Fauci? What is this going

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to be about? This is my initial reaction. You've

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got this, what I perceive to be a kind of...

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fringy thinking, you know, almost conspiracy

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theorist type person that's not based in fact

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what their argument was. And he had written a

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book on Anthony Fauci. And this was right around

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the time where I was, you know. I was very concerned

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with the way things were going, that people were

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just blindly trusting that there was only one

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way out of this. That was that was kind of bothering

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me, particularly when I had known that so many

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people had gotten the virus had been fine. So

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I'm like, well, what is what's the reality of

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this? So then I read the book. And I've talked

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about it multiple times on the podcast. But if

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what you were saying in that book was not true,

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I do not understand how you are not being sued.

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You would instantly, immediately be sued. The

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book was very successful. It sold a lot of copies,

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but it was mysteriously absent from certain bestseller

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lists. People were not promoting that book at

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all, but through word of mouth and through the

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time that we live in. through this time where

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there was so much uncertainty and people were

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very confused and also suspicious they were suspicious

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that they're being told a very a narrative and

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they were starting to remember that hey this

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has happened in the past these kind of narratives

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about medications these they have happened in

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the past they just never happen where this is

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like the whole country is being convinced that

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this is the way to do it so i'll read your book

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and By the end of the book, it was so disturbing

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that sometimes I had to put it away and just

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read fiction for a few days. I was like, I don't

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want this in my head right now. Because I listen

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on audio. And a lot of times I'm listening in

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the sauna. So I'm listening while I'm already

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getting tortured. So it's 185 degrees and I'm

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listening to this book that if it's telling the

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truth, just about the AIDS crisis. Just about

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the AIDS crisis. Just about the use of AZT. Just

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about all of it. All of it. So I had seen numerous

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interviews with you and, you know, you seemed

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very reasonable and very rational. And then I

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was like, is this possible that this is the guy

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that's telling the truth? Is this possible that

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everyone that I know that had these strong opinions

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of you, that most of them at least, were like

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me? They had formed these opinions through a

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glance at a headline, someone talking about you

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on a television show. And so then we run into

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each other in Aspen. Just randomly. That was

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the weirdest moment because we were both staring

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at each other. Yeah. And then we almost did it

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like a full 360. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I noticed

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you walking. I'm like, that's, yeah, it is. So

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I said, hey, what's up? So first of all, I wanted

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to ask you if you could just please explain how

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you got into these controversial positions in

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the first place. How did you adopt these opinions

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that people find so controversial? Because you

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started out as an environmental guy, right? Yeah.

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And I'll say one thing about that book is that

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it is depressing to read. And like my wife could

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not read it. She was going to read it out of

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loyalty to me. And I just said, you can't do

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that because it would have depressed her so much.

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This is not a good advertisement for this book,

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but it's, you know, she. There's so much about

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documentation of corruption and, you know, the

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sort of brutality towards children. And I didn't

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want her reading that. Her life is about making

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people laugh, making people joyful, you know,

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which is its own contribution to kind of global

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health. You know, people who can make you laugh

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are doing something for you that is going to

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probably extend your lifetime. You look at, you

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know, I look at Norman Lear. who's like 96 years

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old or whatever, and he looked like 50. And Carl

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Reiner and all these people who – there's something

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about laughter that makes – that is good for

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you. And so I admire anybody who took it on to

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read that book and made it through. I was kind

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of one of the leading environmentalists. In the

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country, I wanted to work for commercial fishermen

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on the Hudson River in 1983 when I first got

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sober. And I wanted to do something with my life

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that I felt drawn to, and I'd always been an

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outdoors person. I'd always been a fisherman

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and outdoors, wildlife, kayaking, and all that

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stuff. And I went to work for a commercial fisherman

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on the Hudson River. We began suing polluters.

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They purchased a patrol boat and began patrolling

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the river. And we sued. While I was there, we

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sued over 500 polluters. We forced polluters

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to spend almost $5 billion on remediation of

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the Hudson. And today, partially as a result

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of our work, the Hudson is now the richest waterway

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in the North Atlantic. It produces more biomass

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per gallon, more pounds of fish per acre than

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any other waterway in the Atlantic Ocean north

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of the equator. The miraculous resurrection.

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And when I first started working on the Hudson,

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it caught fire. It was dead water, zero dissolved

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oxygen for 20 miles north of New York City, 20

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miles south of Albany, no life in it. It caught

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fire. It was that polluted? It caught fire. It

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would turn colors every week. Depending on what

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color they were painting the trucks at the GM

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plant in Tarrytown, you know, it was really my

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father toured it in 1967, and it was regarded

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as a national joke. Well, today it's an international

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model for ecosystem protection and the miraculous

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resurrection. It's the only waterway in the North

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Atlantic that still has strong spawning stocks

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of all of its historical species of migratory

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fish, of the anadromous fish like striped bass,

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sturgeon, herring, alewives, blue crab, etc.

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And the miraculous resurrection of Hudson inspired

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the creation of new river keepers. We copyrighted

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the name and we started helping these other groups

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get started. And today is the biggest water protection

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group in the world. So we have 350 water keepers.

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Each one has a patrol boat. Each one patrols

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their local waterway. And they sue polluters.

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And we're in 46 countries. So in 2005, I was

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representing a bunch of water keepers all over

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the United States and in the provinces of Canada,

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suing coal -burning power plants and cement kilns.

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for discharging mercury. Two years before, 2003,

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the National Academy of Sciences and the FDA

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had published a report, like a five -year study,

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that showed that every freshwater fish in America

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had dangerous levels of mercury in its flesh.

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The CDC simultaneously published a study that

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showed that one out of every six American women

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at levels high enough in her core blood that

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her child would have some kind of intellectual

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deficiency, like lost IQ, et cetera. And where's

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the mercury coming from? The mercury was largely

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coming from coal -burning power plants. It's

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in the geology in the coal, and it precipitates

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out when there's rain. When you burn the coal,

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it's an element, so it doesn't degrade. And when

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the rain comes, it falls onto the landscapes

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and it washes off the landscapes into the rivers.

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And the fish were all contaminated. We know that

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saltwater fish, the big predatory species, have

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mercury, but the freshwater fish are just as

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bad. And it struck me then that we were living

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in a science fiction nightmare when my children

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and the children of every other American could

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now no longer engage in the seminal, primal activity

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of American youth that I had grown up with. Of

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your parents taking you to the local fishing

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hole and then coming home and safely eating the

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fish. You can't do that anymore in the United

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States of America or anywhere in North America.

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And so we started suing coal plants and cement

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kilns, which were the primary contributor of

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mercury. And there were a lot of people suing

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coal plants back then. They were suing them for

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other reasons, for ozone particulates, for acid

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rain, for carbon, etc. And the water keepers

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were mainly focused on mercury. So I was also

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pushing legislation about mercury, lobbying EPA

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to reduce it. And I was giving lectures all over

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the place. So these women start showing up at

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every lecture that I give, public lectures. And

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they would come and sit in the front seat, occupy

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the front. They come early. occupy the front

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row and then afterwards they'd stay late and

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they would ask to talk to me. And they would

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say to me in a very respectful – and by the way,

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these women were very – all looked kind of similar.

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They were very pulled together. They were women

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in childbearing years. As it turns out, they

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were all the mothers of intellectually disabled

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children and they believed … that their children

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had been injured by the vaccines, by mercury

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in the vaccines. So they would say to me in kind

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of a respectful but vaguely scolding way, if

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you're really interested in mercury contamination

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to get exposure to children, you need to look

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at the vaccines. Now, this is something I didn't

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want to do because, you know, first of all, I'm

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not a public health person. I wanted to do environmental

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stuff. Second of all, I've been involved since

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I was a little kid in the whole area of intellectual

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disabilities. My family was part of the DNA of

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my family. My aunt had been intellectually disabled.

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My aunt Rosemary, my aunt Eunice Shriver, who

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was my godmother, founded Special Olympics in

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1969. But before it was called Special Olympics,

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it was called Camp Shriver. She lived 10 minutes

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from my house, and I would go over there every

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weekend to be a hugger and a coach in Special

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Olympics. And then when I was in high school,

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because this was so much part of my family DNA,

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I spent 200 hours in, say, a comfort retarded.

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You know, working, doing service. But it wasn't

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something I wanted to do with my life. Other

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people in my family were devoting their lives

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to that. My cousin Anthony Shriver started Best

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Buddies and many other people. My family had

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written a lot of the legislation that protected

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people and gave rights to people with intellectual

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disabilities. My father had kicked down the door.

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of Willowbrook, which was a big hospital in Staten

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Island. So my family was deeply involved, but

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it was not what I wanted to do with my life.

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But these women kept continually, I don't want

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to say harassing me, but they were following

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me. And it was different ones at every speech.

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And one of them, and I was like, I, you know.

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I did enough research to show that the public

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health authorities were saying that these women

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were crazy. But they didn't look crazy to me.

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And they were rational. They weren't excitable.

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And they had done their research. And I was like,

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I should be listening to these people. Even if

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they're wrong, somebody needs to listen to them.

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And by the way, I had worked on the Hudson River

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with a commercial fisherman. And I'd seen so

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many times when the scientists were wrong and

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the commercial fishermen were right about what

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was happening in the Hudson River. One time,

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I'll just give you an example. The commercial

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fishermen came to me and said, all the goldfish

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are dying up in the Wallkill Creek. And I went

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up. They said, will you help us get to it? Because

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there's a new sewer plant up there. That's discharging

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chlorine. It's hard to kill a goldfish. They're

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one of the most hardy species in the world. You

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can pour oil on a goldfish and it won't do anything.

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It won't hurt it. And I went up to the Department

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of Environmental Conservation. They said there

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are no goldfish in the Hudson River. Well, these

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were people who I had watched them catch goldfish

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in the Hudson. So anyway, that was just part

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of the background of my little bit of skepticism

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about government scientists, that they're not

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always right, that sometimes you have to listen

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to people, and that human experience is valid,

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and that if a woman tells you something about

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her child, you should listen. And so then one

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of these women came to my home, and she found

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my home in Hyannisport. at a little bungalow,

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and her name was Sarah Bridges. She was a psychologist

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from Minnesota, and she found my home. She came

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to it. She took out of the trunk of her car a

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pile of scientific studies that was 18 inches

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thick. She put it on my front porch, my stoop,

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and then she rang the bell, and then she pointed

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to that pile, and she said, I'm not leaving here

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until you read those. And as it turns out, her

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son, Porter Bridges had been a perfectly healthy

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kid, got a battery of vaccines when he was two,

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and lost the ability to speak. He lost the ability

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to – he lost his toilet training. He began headbanging

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and engaging in other stereotypical behavior

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like stimming, hand flapping, toe walking, and

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got an autism diagnosis. And the vaccine court

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had awarded her $20 million. for acknowledging

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that the child had gotten autism from the vaccines.

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And she didn't want it to happen to other kids.

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And so I sat down with this pile of studies.

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And I'm used to reading science. I'm very comfortable

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reading it. I wanted to be a scientist when I

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was a little kid. And my life, my legal career

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has been about science. It's, you know, virtually

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all the... Cases that I've been involved with,

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hundreds and hundreds of cases, almost all of

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them involve some scientific controversy. And

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so I'm comfortable with reading science, and

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I know how to read it critically. I know how

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to look for the flaws in it and, you know, how

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to weigh the – attribute weight to various studies,

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et cetera. And I sat down while she was there,

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and I read through the abstracts of these studies

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one after the other. But before I was six inches

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down in that pile, I recognized that there was

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this huge delta between what the public health

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agencies were saying were telling us about vaccine

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safety and what the actual peer -reviewed public

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science was saying. Then I took the next step,

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which is I started calling people, high -level

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public officials. And I had access to everyone.

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I called Francis Collins. I called Marie McCormick,

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who ran the Institute of Medicine at the National

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Academy of Sciences. I called Kathleen Stratton

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at the National Academy of Sciences, who was

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the chief staffer, and I was asking her about

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these studies. And I realized during these conversations

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that none of these people had read any of the

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science. They were just repeating things that

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they had been told about the science. And they

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kept saying to me, well, I can't answer that

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detailed question. You need to talk to Paul Offit.

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Well, Paul Offit. is a vaccine developer who

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made $186 million deal with Merck on the rotavirus

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vaccine. And it would be, it was odd to me that

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government regulators were saying, you should

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talk to somebody in the industry. It's like if

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I, you know, I used to talk to EPA people all

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the time asking them, what does this provision

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mean in the permit? Why did you put it in there?

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And if they said to me, I don't know, why don't

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you go talk to the coal industry? or this lobbyist

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for the coal industry, and he will tell you what

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we're doing. I would have been very, you know,

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puzzled and indignant. It was weird to me that

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the top regulators in the country were telling

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me, go talk to somebody who's an industry insider,

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because we don't understand the science. And

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when I talked to him, I caught him in a lie.

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And both of us knew that he was lying and that

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both of us recognized that he was lying. And

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at that point, I was like— What was the lie?

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Well, I asked him this question. I said, why

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is it that CDC and every state regulator recommends

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that pregnant women do not eat tuna fish to avoid

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the mercury? But that CDC is recommending mercury

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containing flu shots with huge bolus doses of

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mercury. I mean, massive doses that pregnant

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women in every trimester of pregnancy. And he

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said to me, he said, well, Bobby, in this kind

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of patronizing way. And by the way, when I talked

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to Paul Offit, he started the conversation. He

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was very enthusiastic. And he said, you know,

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your father. Was my hero. The reason I got into

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public service and public health was because

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I was inspired by your father. So that kind of,

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you know, I'm susceptible, like anybody else,

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to kind of that kind of flattery. So I was inclined

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to like the guy. But then he said this. I asked

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him about how can you be, you know, telling people

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not to eat tuna fish, giving them a flu shot

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that has, you know, these huge doses. And he

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said, well, Bobby. There are – there's two kinds

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of mercury. There's a good mercury and there's

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a bad mercury. And the minute he said – and I

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knew there's a different kind of mercury in the

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vaccines. It's ethyl mercury in the vaccines

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and methyl mercury in the fish. But I know a

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lot of – and you can imagine I know a lot about

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mercury. I've been suing people. When you sue

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somebody, you get a PhD in that. You know more

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than anybody in the world. You have to or you're

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not going to win your lawsuit. So I knew a lot

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about mercury and I knew – And his argument was

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not with me, but it was with the periodic tables

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because there's no such thing as a good mercury.

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And I also knew the history of why he was saying

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that because, you know, mercury was added to

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vaccines in a form called thimerosal in 1932.

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And Eli Lilly, which was a manufacturer, was

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because people knew then that mercury was horrendously

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neurotoxic. Mercury is a thousand times more

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neurotoxic than lead. You would never shoot lead

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into your baby. Why was thimerosal introduced?

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It was allegedly introduced as a preservative,

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but it doesn't kill streptococcus or any of the

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other contaminants you would be worried about.

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In fact, it kills brain cells. At one -thirtieth

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the dose that it takes to kill streptococcus

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or staphylococcus. So it wasn't a good preservative.

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What NIH admitted to me in 2016, the real reason

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was there as an adjuvant. An adjuvant is a toxic

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material that they add to dead virus vaccines

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to amplify the immune response. So your body,

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when, I mean... This is kind of getting into

00:23:08.750 --> 00:23:10.690
the weeds, but a live virus vaccine, if they

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give it to you, it can spread the disease. It

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can mutate in you and spread the disease. That's

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why most of the polio today, 70 % of the polio

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today is vaccine polio that came from the vaccines.

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So the regulators expressed a preference for

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dead virus vaccines. A dead virus vaccine, however,

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will not produce a durable or robust immune response

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enough to get a license. The way you get a license

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for a vaccine is showing that. you get an antibody

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response for a certain amount of time and that

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it's a strong antibody response. But the dead

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virus vaccine won't produce that. But vaccinologists

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figured out that if you add something horrendously

00:23:50.549 --> 00:23:54.789
toxic to the vaccine, that your body confuses

00:23:54.789 --> 00:23:58.410
that toxic product. You add it with the dead

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antigen, which is the viral particle. Your body

00:24:02.890 --> 00:24:06.509
confuses that toxin with the viral particle and

00:24:06.509 --> 00:24:10.029
gets frightened and mounts this huge, humongous

00:24:10.029 --> 00:24:13.690
immune response. The next time it sees that virus,

00:24:13.950 --> 00:24:18.529
the immune response is there. So at that point,

00:24:18.569 --> 00:24:20.589
vaccinologists went around searching around the

00:24:20.589 --> 00:24:23.309
world to find the most horrendously toxic materials

00:24:23.309 --> 00:24:27.369
to add to vaccines. And there's a mantra in vaccinology

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that the more toxic the adjuvant, the more robust

00:24:31.500 --> 00:24:34.960
the immune response. And so that's why toxicologists

00:24:34.960 --> 00:24:37.059
and vaccinologists don't get along with each

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other. Because the toxicologists would say to

00:24:39.700 --> 00:24:42.400
the vaccinologists, well, I understand it gave

00:24:42.400 --> 00:24:44.200
you your immune response, but then what is the

00:24:44.200 --> 00:24:47.380
fate of that in your body? Where is it going?

00:24:47.500 --> 00:24:49.900
Is it being excreted? Is it being lodged in the

00:24:49.900 --> 00:24:52.400
brain? Is it penetrating the blood -brain barrier?

00:24:53.549 --> 00:24:55.950
And the vaccinologists could not answer those

00:24:55.950 --> 00:24:58.769
questions and did not want to. So they basically

00:24:58.769 --> 00:25:01.430
moved the toxicologists out of these, you know,

00:25:01.450 --> 00:25:04.730
out of the vaccine, the whole vaccine universe.

00:25:05.829 --> 00:25:13.250
Anyway, so when it was added in 1932, the industry

00:25:13.250 --> 00:25:17.309
said, Eli Lilly said, well, the reason, because

00:25:17.309 --> 00:25:19.609
everybody was saying, how can you put mercury

00:25:19.609 --> 00:25:23.740
into a child? Who would do that? And they said,

00:25:23.819 --> 00:25:25.180
well, it's a different kind of mercury. It's

00:25:25.180 --> 00:25:27.339
ethylmercury, and the ethylmercury is excreted

00:25:27.339 --> 00:25:29.539
very quickly, so it won't stay in your body.

00:25:30.279 --> 00:25:32.940
They had no science to say that, but that's what

00:25:32.940 --> 00:25:36.559
they were saying for years. And then in 2003,

00:25:36.799 --> 00:25:42.200
a CDC scientist called Pichiero did a study where

00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:45.880
he gave tuna sand, which is where mercury, you

00:25:45.880 --> 00:25:49.279
know, contaminated to children. And they and

00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:52.059
then measured their blood and the mercury from

00:25:52.059 --> 00:25:56.079
the tuna sandwich was their half -life 64 days

00:25:56.079 --> 00:25:59.500
later. So it was still there 64 days. And he

00:25:59.500 --> 00:26:02.440
injected the children with mercury from a vaccine.

00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:05.440
And that mercury disappeared from their blood

00:26:05.440 --> 00:26:11.259
within a week. And this kind of confirmed what

00:26:11.259 --> 00:26:14.619
Eli Lilly had said in 1932. Oh, it disappears

00:26:14.619 --> 00:26:18.019
really quickly from the body. And that was published,

00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:21.140
I believe, in the Lancet Pediatrics. But immediately,

00:26:21.420 --> 00:26:24.940
the journal began getting letters from people,

00:26:24.980 --> 00:26:27.660
including this famous scientist called Dr. Boyd

00:26:27.660 --> 00:26:30.619
Haley, who is the chair of that chemistry department

00:26:30.619 --> 00:26:34.799
of the University of Kentucky. And he said, but

00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:36.759
what happened to the mercury? Because Pidgey

00:26:36.759 --> 00:26:40.480
couldn't find it in the children's urine or in

00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:43.619
their feces or in their hair or sweat or nails.

00:26:43.799 --> 00:26:48.910
So where is it? And then NIH actually then commissioned

00:26:48.910 --> 00:26:52.910
a study. Because at that point, they were really

00:26:52.910 --> 00:26:55.230
trying to figure out whether this was dangerous.

00:26:55.970 --> 00:26:58.190
And they commissioned a very famous scientist

00:26:58.190 --> 00:27:00.569
called Thomas Burbacher up at the University

00:27:00.569 --> 00:27:04.250
of Washington, Seattle, to do a study with monkeys,

00:27:04.390 --> 00:27:08.069
with macaques. And he did the same study Pichiero

00:27:08.069 --> 00:27:11.450
did. But he did something you can't do with children,

00:27:11.549 --> 00:27:14.700
which he then killed the monkeys. And then he

00:27:14.700 --> 00:27:16.720
looked for the mercury. And what he found was

00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:19.339
the mercury, yes, it left their blood immediately.

00:27:19.579 --> 00:27:23.160
The ethyl mercury from the vaccines was gone

00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:26.299
from their blood in a week. Methyl mercury from

00:27:26.299 --> 00:27:29.759
the tuna fish was there a month later, two months

00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:34.039
later. But when he sacrificed the monkeys and

00:27:34.039 --> 00:27:37.539
did postmortems, he found that the mercury had

00:27:37.539 --> 00:27:41.339
not left their body. Instead, the reason it was

00:27:41.339 --> 00:27:44.680
disappearing from their blood is because Ethylmercury

00:27:44.680 --> 00:27:46.819
crosses the blood -brain barrier much easier

00:27:46.819 --> 00:27:50.059
than methylmercury. The ethylmercury from the

00:27:50.059 --> 00:27:52.119
vaccines was going directly to the brains of

00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:54.700
these animals, and it was lodging there and causing

00:27:54.700 --> 00:27:59.579
severe inflammation. And, you know, we now know

00:27:59.579 --> 00:28:06.539
it's there 20 years later. So, you know, so when

00:28:06.539 --> 00:28:11.000
I'm on the phone with Offit, and I said, He said,

00:28:11.059 --> 00:28:12.859
the ethyl mercury is excreted quickly. And I

00:28:12.859 --> 00:28:16.119
said, how do you know that? And he said, because

00:28:16.119 --> 00:28:21.019
the Pichiero study. Because the study by Pichiero

00:28:21.019 --> 00:28:25.099
found that it was excreted in a week. And I said,

00:28:25.220 --> 00:28:27.420
but you're familiar with the Burbacher study.

00:28:28.960 --> 00:28:32.940
It's gone to the brain. And there was dead silence

00:28:32.940 --> 00:28:36.599
on the phone. And then he said to me, he kind

00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:38.279
of hemmed and hawed and said, well, you're right.

00:28:39.259 --> 00:28:41.500
It's not that study. It's just a whole mosaic

00:28:41.500 --> 00:28:44.000
of studies. And I said, can you cite any for

00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:46.960
me? And he said, I'll send them to you. And he

00:28:46.960 --> 00:28:48.799
never did. That's the last I heard from him.

00:28:49.380 --> 00:28:52.380
So at that point, I knew there was something

00:28:52.380 --> 00:28:54.819
wrong. And then somebody handed me a transcript

00:28:54.819 --> 00:29:01.759
of a secret meeting that took place in 1999.

00:29:02.579 --> 00:29:08.359
And it was 1999. It might have been 2000. But

00:29:08.359 --> 00:29:10.660
it was called – it's called the Simpsonwood meeting.

00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:15.559
And what happened is in the midnight – I mean

00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:20.000
the history is that in 1986 – well, I'll go back

00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:24.099
a little further. In 1979 and 1980, when I was

00:29:24.099 --> 00:29:26.960
a kid, I only had three vaccines. My kids got

00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:29.740
72 vaccines. That's what you need now to get

00:29:29.740 --> 00:29:34.119
through school, 72 doses of 16 vaccines. So –

00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:38.049
and it started changing in the 80s and 90s. In

00:29:38.049 --> 00:29:42.930
1979, they brought on a vaccine called the diphtheria

00:29:42.930 --> 00:29:45.930
tetanus and pertussis vaccine. And that vaccine

00:29:45.930 --> 00:29:48.529
was very dangerous. And it was killing one out

00:29:48.529 --> 00:29:51.089
of – killing or giving severe brain damage to

00:29:51.089 --> 00:29:53.369
one in 300 kids. And it was pulled in the United

00:29:53.369 --> 00:29:58.119
States. It was pulled in Europe. Bill Gates still

00:29:58.119 --> 00:30:00.880
gives it to 161 million African children every

00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:03.500
year. The same vaccine? The same vaccine. And

00:30:03.500 --> 00:30:06.779
to South Asian kids. And I'll tell you, we now

00:30:06.779 --> 00:30:09.500
know what that does because the Danish government

00:30:09.500 --> 00:30:14.319
did a study called Morgensen in 2017 that showed

00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:18.140
that African kids, and that's published in a

00:30:18.140 --> 00:30:21.710
journal called eBioPharma. And it was done by

00:30:21.710 --> 00:30:26.190
the leading deities of African vaccinology, all

00:30:26.190 --> 00:30:28.470
of them pro -vaccine, people like Peter Aab,

00:30:28.529 --> 00:30:30.950
whose name is very famous, Sigrid Morgan, and

00:30:30.950 --> 00:30:34.230
a bunch of others. And they went to Africa and

00:30:34.230 --> 00:30:37.569
looked at that. They had 30 years of data. And

00:30:37.569 --> 00:30:40.730
Gates had gone to the Danish government and said,

00:30:40.849 --> 00:30:44.349
you know, give us money because we've saved millions

00:30:44.349 --> 00:30:48.049
of lives with this vaccine in Africa. And the

00:30:48.049 --> 00:30:50.230
Danish government said, can you show us the data?

00:30:50.670 --> 00:30:54.329
And he couldn't. So they went to Guinea -Bissau,

00:30:54.549 --> 00:30:58.150
which is a country in the west of Africa. And

00:30:58.150 --> 00:31:01.130
Guinea -Bissau, the Danes for 30 years had been

00:31:01.130 --> 00:31:05.170
paying for these very advanced health clinics,

00:31:05.250 --> 00:31:06.950
local health clinics all over Guinea -Bissau.

00:31:07.730 --> 00:31:12.009
And the clinics were weighing every child at

00:31:12.009 --> 00:31:17.400
three months and at six months. And in the 80s,

00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:21.859
they began or 90s, they began or the 80s, they

00:31:21.859 --> 00:31:26.140
began giving the DTP vaccine at the first visit,

00:31:26.220 --> 00:31:28.200
a three month visit. But if they didn't hit the

00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:31.259
child exactly, if they didn't have full 90 days,

00:31:31.259 --> 00:31:35.140
you know, of age, if they were 89 days, they

00:31:35.140 --> 00:31:38.059
wouldn't give it to the six month visit. As it

00:31:38.059 --> 00:31:42.819
turns out, they had 30 years of data. where half

00:31:42.819 --> 00:31:44.779
the kids were vaccinated and half the kids were

00:31:44.779 --> 00:31:46.700
not between two months and five months of age.

00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:50.559
It was a perfect natural experiment. And they

00:31:50.559 --> 00:31:53.200
went in there and they looked at it. They looked

00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:56.119
at 30 years of data and they found the girls

00:31:56.119 --> 00:32:03.299
who got that vaccine, the DTP vaccine, were 10

00:32:03.299 --> 00:32:07.220
times more likely to die over the next three

00:32:07.220 --> 00:32:12.559
months than children who did not. They weren't

00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:14.579
dying of diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis.

00:32:14.579 --> 00:32:16.819
They were protected against those by the vaccine.

00:32:17.460 --> 00:32:21.500
They were dying of anemia and bilharzia and malaria

00:32:21.500 --> 00:32:25.000
and pulmonary disease, but mainly they were dying

00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:29.160
of pneumonia. And what the researchers said is

00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:31.900
that the vaccine is almost certainly killing

00:32:31.900 --> 00:32:34.420
more children than diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis

00:32:34.420 --> 00:32:37.680
prior to the vaccine. Because it was protecting

00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:39.539
them against the target illnesses, but it had

00:32:39.539 --> 00:32:41.839
ruined their immune systems. So they could not

00:32:41.839 --> 00:32:44.579
defend themselves against these other minor infections.

00:32:44.740 --> 00:32:48.460
And nobody noticed for 30 years that it was the

00:32:48.460 --> 00:32:50.259
vaccinated children who were disproportionately

00:32:50.259 --> 00:32:53.799
dying. And that's the problem with not doing,

00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:56.599
you know, real placebo -controlled trials. None

00:32:56.599 --> 00:32:59.619
of the vaccines are ever subjected to true placebo

00:32:59.619 --> 00:33:01.859
-controlled trials. It's the only medical product

00:33:01.859 --> 00:33:04.400
that is exempt from that prior to licensure.

00:33:05.939 --> 00:33:10.440
Anyway, what happened in the DDP vaccine, when

00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:12.039
it was pulled in this country, it was pulled

00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:14.140
because so many people were suing the drug companies.

00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:18.519
Wyeth, which is now Pfizer, was the primary manufacturer.

00:33:18.519 --> 00:33:21.079
They went to the Reagan administration in 1986

00:33:21.079 --> 00:33:27.119
and they said, you need to give us full immunity

00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:29.299
from liability for all vaccines or we're going

00:33:29.299 --> 00:33:32.720
to get out of the business. And Reagan actually

00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:36.339
said to them, they said, we're losing $20 in

00:33:36.339 --> 00:33:38.559
downstream liability for every dollar we're making

00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:42.940
in profits. And Reagan said to them, why don't

00:33:42.940 --> 00:33:46.740
you make the vaccine safe? And they said, because

00:33:46.740 --> 00:33:50.440
vaccines are unavoidably unsafe. That's the phrase

00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:52.980
they use. And that phrase is in the statute.

00:33:53.900 --> 00:33:56.380
And it's also in the Brusewitz case, which is

00:33:56.380 --> 00:33:59.319
the Supreme Court decision upholding that statute.

00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:02.960
And so anybody who tells you vaccines are safe,

00:34:03.039 --> 00:34:06.539
in effect, the industry itself got immunity from

00:34:06.539 --> 00:34:09.039
liability by convincing the president and Congress

00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:12.579
that vaccines are unavoidably unsafe. Now, the

00:34:12.579 --> 00:34:15.860
argument against that would obviously be they've

00:34:15.860 --> 00:34:19.900
prevented disease that would have killed untold

00:34:19.900 --> 00:34:22.519
numbers of children, right? That would be the

00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:24.260
argument they would use against that. Exactly.

00:34:24.260 --> 00:34:27.679
And that vaccine injuries are very rare. That

00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:30.809
is the argument that is used against them. And

00:34:30.809 --> 00:34:35.110
both of those arguments in CDC's own studies

00:34:35.110 --> 00:34:39.849
have been severely challenged. So the CDC did

00:34:39.849 --> 00:34:44.570
a study in 2010 called Lazarus. And it was Harvard

00:34:44.570 --> 00:34:48.230
scientists who looked at one of the HMOs, the

00:34:48.230 --> 00:34:50.530
Harvard Pilgrim HMO, which is one of the top

00:34:50.530 --> 00:34:55.170
HMOs. It's actually, I think, the ninth biggest

00:34:55.170 --> 00:34:59.920
HMO. And they were testing a machine counting

00:34:59.920 --> 00:35:03.559
system that could do a cluster analysis. Because

00:35:03.559 --> 00:35:07.340
right now, the only vaccine injury surveillance

00:35:07.340 --> 00:35:11.800
system they have, it doesn't work. It's fewer

00:35:11.800 --> 00:35:14.940
than one in 100 vaccine injuries are ever reported

00:35:14.940 --> 00:35:17.460
because it's voluntary. And this is where you

00:35:17.460 --> 00:35:20.199
can find support for this in the Lazarus study.

00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:23.849
Lazarus actually looked and said. How many injuries

00:35:23.849 --> 00:35:25.750
are actually happening? How many are reported?

00:35:25.969 --> 00:35:29.650
And they said fewer than one in 100 are ever

00:35:29.650 --> 00:35:33.289
reported. And they developed a system of machine

00:35:33.289 --> 00:35:35.409
counting so that it doesn't rely on voluntary

00:35:35.409 --> 00:35:37.690
reporting. What you do is you look at all the

00:35:37.690 --> 00:35:41.789
vaccine records for a population and all of the

00:35:41.789 --> 00:35:44.550
medical claims, the subsequent medical claims,

00:35:44.650 --> 00:35:47.630
and you do machine counting. You do a cluster

00:35:47.630 --> 00:35:51.920
analysis. And it's very, very accurate. And they

00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:54.920
found CDC at that time was saying one out of

00:35:54.920 --> 00:35:57.760
a million people were being injured by the vaccine.

00:35:57.800 --> 00:36:05.099
They found one in 37. And so and and CDC had

00:36:05.099 --> 00:36:07.860
asked this team to design a machine counting

00:36:07.860 --> 00:36:10.719
system because their their system was so heavily

00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:13.219
criticized by everybody. David Kessler, who was

00:36:13.219 --> 00:36:15.340
a surgeon general, everybody was saying it's

00:36:15.340 --> 00:36:18.780
terrible. It doesn't work. And Congress had told

00:36:18.780 --> 00:36:21.440
them you have to accurately. count vaccine injuries

00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:24.280
and they weren't doing it. So when they did it,

00:36:24.300 --> 00:36:28.440
when they actually looked, they found that it's

00:36:28.440 --> 00:36:31.039
not one in a million. It's one in 37 kids had,

00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:33.340
you know, had potential vaccine claims. Now,

00:36:33.380 --> 00:36:35.320
you can't tell whether any of those claims were

00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:37.719
actually from the vaccine because it's a machine

00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:39.920
counting. So it's statistical. But you can say

00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:44.619
that the number of injuries is much higher than

00:36:44.619 --> 00:36:50.760
anybody was admitting. And then in The year 2000,

00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:55.639
CDC did a study with Johns Hopkins called Gaier

00:36:55.639 --> 00:36:58.920
because there was this emerging claim that vaccines

00:36:58.920 --> 00:37:01.360
had saved tens of millions of lives around the

00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:04.940
world. And I'm not going to tell you that they

00:37:04.940 --> 00:37:07.420
don't because nobody should trust my word on

00:37:07.420 --> 00:37:09.940
this. You know, what I say is irrelevant. What

00:37:09.940 --> 00:37:14.639
is relevant is the science. And this is the principal

00:37:14.639 --> 00:37:18.000
effort by CDC to actually verify that claim.

00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:21.400
And what the Geier study, and they looked at

00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:24.400
all the, you know, the history of each vaccine

00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:27.400
and health claims. And what they were trying

00:37:27.400 --> 00:37:32.019
to say is there was this huge decline in mortality

00:37:32.019 --> 00:37:36.659
from infectious disease that took place in the

00:37:36.659 --> 00:37:42.340
20th century. An 80 % drop in deaths from infectious

00:37:42.340 --> 00:37:47.039
disease. And what caused that? Was it vaccines?

00:37:48.300 --> 00:37:52.119
And what they said is no. It had very little,

00:37:52.179 --> 00:37:54.880
almost nothing to do with vaccines. The real

00:37:54.880 --> 00:38:00.300
drop happened because of really engineering solutions.

00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:05.360
Refrigerators, you could store food. Transportation

00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:08.559
systems that would get oranges up from Florida,

00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:12.059
et cetera. The roads, better housing, sanitation,

00:38:12.500 --> 00:38:15.730
the invention of chlorine. sewage treatment,

00:38:15.789 --> 00:38:18.250
but mainly nutrition. Nutrition is absolutely

00:38:18.250 --> 00:38:22.230
critical to building immune systems. And so what

00:38:22.230 --> 00:38:25.650
was really killing these children was malnutrition.

00:38:26.250 --> 00:38:28.989
And, you know, it was the infectious disease

00:38:28.989 --> 00:38:31.710
that was kind of knocking them off at the end.

00:38:32.530 --> 00:38:35.250
But the real cause of death was malnutrition

00:38:35.250 --> 00:38:37.510
and a collapsed immune system. And that is what

00:38:37.510 --> 00:38:40.329
the Geyer study says. Now, anybody who's listening

00:38:40.329 --> 00:38:43.690
to this. You know, you can go look at this study.

00:38:43.789 --> 00:38:46.550
So don't blame me and don't say, you know, Kennedy's

00:38:46.550 --> 00:38:49.230
in denial. This is the only time CDC ever looked

00:38:49.230 --> 00:38:53.190
at this. And it's called G -U -Y -E -R. It's

00:38:53.190 --> 00:38:56.829
published, as I recall, in Pediatrics. And it's

00:38:56.829 --> 00:39:03.769
CDC and NIA and Johns Hopkins in the year 2000.

00:39:04.670 --> 00:39:08.690
I believe the study is true and that it's borne

00:39:08.690 --> 00:39:10.690
out by many, many others. There's another study

00:39:10.690 --> 00:39:16.130
from 1977 called McGinley and McGinley. And it

00:39:16.130 --> 00:39:20.210
was and that study also said that fewer than

00:39:20.210 --> 00:39:25.030
one percent of the decline in infectious mortality

00:39:25.030 --> 00:39:29.230
as could be attributed to vaccines. And that

00:39:29.230 --> 00:39:32.809
study was required reading in almost every medical

00:39:32.809 --> 00:39:35.570
school in this country until the mid -1980s.

00:39:35.670 --> 00:39:38.929
So anyway, I'm just saying that that orthodoxy

00:39:38.929 --> 00:39:43.429
that you just described, it's not an orthodoxy

00:39:43.429 --> 00:39:46.250
that should be accepted on faith. People should

00:39:46.250 --> 00:39:48.429
actually look at it, and when they have, it has

00:39:48.429 --> 00:39:51.309
not borne up. I'll just finish this story, and

00:39:51.309 --> 00:39:58.559
I'll try to be brief. caved in, and it wasn't

00:39:58.559 --> 00:40:00.519
just Reagan. It was the Democrats. My uncle was

00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:02.739
chairing the health committee at that time, and

00:40:02.739 --> 00:40:05.840
the Democrats also went along. They passed the

00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:08.940
Vaccine Act in 1986, and the Vaccine Act gave

00:40:08.940 --> 00:40:11.480
immunity from liability to all vaccine companies

00:40:11.480 --> 00:40:15.519
for any injury, for negligence. No matter how

00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:17.699
negligent you are, no matter how reckless your

00:40:17.699 --> 00:40:19.739
conduct, no matter how toxic the ingredient,

00:40:20.039 --> 00:40:22.599
how shoddily tested or manufactured the product.

00:40:23.099 --> 00:40:26.139
No matter how grievous your injury, your vaccine

00:40:26.139 --> 00:40:29.679
company, you cannot be sued. This was a huge

00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:32.719
gift for this industry because the biggest cost

00:40:32.719 --> 00:40:36.619
for every medical product is downstream liabilities.

00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:39.840
And all of a sudden, those have disappeared.

00:40:40.139 --> 00:40:43.340
So you're not only taking away that cost, but

00:40:43.340 --> 00:40:45.840
you're also incentivizing the production of many

00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:51.579
new vaccines. You're also disincentivizing. You're

00:40:51.579 --> 00:40:54.059
removing the incentive to make them safe because

00:40:54.059 --> 00:40:56.619
no matter how dangerous they are, they don't

00:40:56.619 --> 00:41:00.619
care because they can't be sued. But you may

00:41:00.619 --> 00:41:02.920
say, well, if they're really dangerous, then

00:41:02.920 --> 00:41:05.699
nobody is going to buy them. But the problem

00:41:05.699 --> 00:41:09.760
with that is nobody has a choice. They not only

00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:12.960
got rid of the downstream liability, but they

00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:15.579
don't have any advertising or marketing costs

00:41:15.579 --> 00:41:18.809
because … The federal government is ordering

00:41:18.809 --> 00:41:21.969
76 million people, essentially ordering 76 million

00:41:21.969 --> 00:41:25.429
kids to take the product a year. If you can get

00:41:25.429 --> 00:41:27.230
that on the schedule, it's like printing a billion

00:41:27.230 --> 00:41:29.869
dollars for you. And so there was a gold rush.

00:41:30.030 --> 00:41:33.889
And then the other thing is they are exempt from

00:41:33.889 --> 00:41:37.030
pre -licensing safety testing. They don't have

00:41:37.030 --> 00:41:40.309
to be tested. And they're not. And I said this

00:41:40.309 --> 00:41:43.030
for many, many years. You know, I said not one

00:41:43.030 --> 00:41:47.349
of these 72 vaccines has ever been tested. Pre

00:41:47.349 --> 00:41:49.650
-licensing in a placebo -controlled trial where

00:41:49.650 --> 00:41:51.670
you're looking at vaccinated versus unvaccinated

00:41:51.670 --> 00:41:55.110
kids and looking at health outcomes. Never been

00:41:55.110 --> 00:42:01.329
done. And Tony Fauci was saying he's lying. He's

00:42:01.329 --> 00:42:03.409
not telling the truth. This is vaccine misinformation.

00:42:04.630 --> 00:42:08.110
In 2016, Donald Trump asked me to serve on a

00:42:08.110 --> 00:42:10.730
vaccine safety commission, and I agreed to do

00:42:10.730 --> 00:42:14.730
it. And I and he then ordered Fauci and Collins

00:42:14.730 --> 00:42:17.170
to meet with me and, you know, Peter Marks at

00:42:17.170 --> 00:42:18.909
FDA and all that. So I had meetings with all

00:42:18.909 --> 00:42:22.429
these guys. I actually went into that meeting

00:42:22.429 --> 00:42:27.510
with Fauci with with three people. One was Del

00:42:27.510 --> 00:42:29.730
Big Dream. Another one was Aaron Seery, the attorney.

00:42:29.809 --> 00:42:32.889
And another one was Lynn Redwood, who's, you

00:42:32.889 --> 00:42:35.110
know, a very, very famous nurse practitioner,

00:42:35.250 --> 00:42:39.130
public health. official in Georgia. And during

00:42:39.130 --> 00:42:40.670
that meeting, there was a referee there from

00:42:40.670 --> 00:42:44.510
the White House, the West Wing. And I said to

00:42:44.510 --> 00:42:46.730
Fauci, I give kind of a lecture showing what

00:42:46.730 --> 00:42:49.369
we knew. And I said to him in the middle of it,

00:42:49.409 --> 00:42:53.449
I had a PowerPoint. I said, Tony, you have said,

00:42:53.510 --> 00:42:56.730
and by the way, you know, he's known my family

00:42:56.730 --> 00:42:59.849
forever. And, you know, my uncle is chair of

00:42:59.849 --> 00:43:03.360
the health committee. writing his salary every

00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:05.559
year, everything else like that. And, you know,

00:43:05.619 --> 00:43:08.400
and very cooperative relationship with him. The

00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:11.179
two of the senators that are NIH are named for

00:43:11.179 --> 00:43:13.179
members of my family, for Eunice Shriver and

00:43:13.179 --> 00:43:17.039
my aunt, my grandmother. So, you know, I said

00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:19.199
to him, Tony, you've said, been telling people

00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:22.840
I'm a liar. When I say no vaccine has ever been,

00:43:22.860 --> 00:43:26.360
none of the mandated vaccines, what they call

00:43:26.360 --> 00:43:28.860
recommended, they're actually mandated in many

00:43:28.860 --> 00:43:31.880
of the states. I said, none of them have ever

00:43:31.880 --> 00:43:34.880
been tested against in a placebo -controlled

00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:39.300
trial and a safety test prior to licensure. And

00:43:39.300 --> 00:43:44.179
I said, can you show me one vaccine that has

00:43:44.179 --> 00:43:47.380
been subject to a safety test? Show me one study

00:43:47.380 --> 00:43:50.579
that shows that. And he made it this show of

00:43:50.579 --> 00:43:53.670
looking through a red well. They had brought

00:43:53.670 --> 00:43:56.590
in from NIH this big tray full of file folders,

00:43:56.750 --> 00:43:59.170
and he made a show of kind of looking through

00:43:59.170 --> 00:44:01.090
that at the time, but he couldn't find whatever

00:44:01.090 --> 00:44:03.110
he was looking for. So then he said, it's back

00:44:03.110 --> 00:44:06.590
at NIH in Bethesda, and I'll send it to you.

00:44:06.650 --> 00:44:10.429
Well, he never did. So Aaron and I sued him,

00:44:10.469 --> 00:44:15.250
sued HHS, and said, show us one study that's

00:44:15.250 --> 00:44:17.829
ever been done on, you know, pre -licensing safety

00:44:17.829 --> 00:44:22.070
testing for vaccines. And after a year of stonewalling,

00:44:22.070 --> 00:44:23.730
they finally gave us a letter and said we don't

00:44:23.730 --> 00:44:26.670
have any. They literally don't have any. So nobody

00:44:26.670 --> 00:44:30.250
knows what the risk profile for these products

00:44:30.250 --> 00:44:34.010
are. So they're telling people they avert more

00:44:34.010 --> 00:44:36.090
harms than they sought and than they caused.

00:44:37.010 --> 00:44:39.210
But there's no science behind that statement.

00:44:39.269 --> 00:44:43.210
It's just a guesswork. But it's an amazingly

00:44:43.210 --> 00:44:46.409
effective narrative. And that narrative, the

00:44:46.409 --> 00:44:48.780
way it's spread through this country. Like I

00:44:48.780 --> 00:44:51.480
said, it has gotten me and I think it gets a

00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:54.559
lot of people and that people are terrified of

00:44:54.559 --> 00:44:59.340
being called an anti -vaxxer. It's a very dismissive

00:44:59.340 --> 00:45:02.619
pejorative. It's a very bad term. And if someone

00:45:02.619 --> 00:45:04.500
calls you, they're like, oh, he's one of those.

00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:10.360
And it's kind of amazing what they've done, especially

00:45:10.360 --> 00:45:14.380
in a world where we're very aware of the side

00:45:14.380 --> 00:45:18.019
effects that were hidden from. the public with

00:45:18.019 --> 00:45:19.980
other drugs, whether it's opiates or whether

00:45:19.980 --> 00:45:23.480
it's Vioxx or we're very aware that deception

00:45:23.480 --> 00:45:26.739
has taken place. But for this one, for whatever

00:45:26.739 --> 00:45:30.539
reason, that one, I think maybe it has to do

00:45:30.539 --> 00:45:33.760
with protecting children because good parents

00:45:33.760 --> 00:45:37.920
who don't, you know, they want to trust science

00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:40.440
and they want to think that medical science is

00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:42.340
the reason why people live so well today. And

00:45:42.340 --> 00:45:44.570
a lot of that's true. But they want to think

00:45:44.570 --> 00:45:46.710
that it's all connected and that they don't know

00:45:46.710 --> 00:45:48.550
what they're doing. So if they say you're supposed

00:45:48.550 --> 00:45:51.070
to get 72 shots, you should get 72 shots because

00:45:51.070 --> 00:45:54.889
they really know. Yeah. And you think your doctor

00:45:54.889 --> 00:45:58.329
did the research, but he didn't. And you're absolutely

00:45:58.329 --> 00:46:00.769
right about the opioids. I mean, there's many,

00:46:00.889 --> 00:46:04.090
many other examples. But the opioids is a good

00:46:04.090 --> 00:46:06.769
one because if anybody goes and looks at that

00:46:06.769 --> 00:46:12.289
Netflix documentary, Dope Sick. Yeah. That documentary.

00:46:12.369 --> 00:46:15.559
Right. What? Is it Hulu? Is it Hulu? Is that

00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:21.199
Hulu? That documentary shows how this, you know,

00:46:21.300 --> 00:46:26.800
all of these subtle forces that lead to agency

00:46:26.800 --> 00:46:33.260
capture and this collusion, this corrupt collusion

00:46:33.260 --> 00:46:36.079
between the industry and the regulator, because

00:46:36.079 --> 00:46:39.920
it was the regulator who agreed to put on the

00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:42.510
label. It was FDA. who agreed to put on the label,

00:46:42.630 --> 00:46:44.429
it's safe and effective and it's not addictive.

00:46:44.750 --> 00:46:49.329
You know, oxycodone. Right. And everybody knew

00:46:49.329 --> 00:46:52.809
it was addictive. You had the entire medical

00:46:52.809 --> 00:46:56.670
community who said, oh, we must have been wrong

00:46:56.670 --> 00:47:00.719
because FDA says it's safe and effective. You

00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:03.840
can imagine if they did that for vaccines and

00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:06.159
then you saw what they did in COVID, you know,

00:47:06.179 --> 00:47:09.239
and they had to continually change the goalposts.

00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:12.659
It prevents transmission if you get it. Grandma

00:47:12.659 --> 00:47:16.380
won't get sick. And, you know, and each time

00:47:16.380 --> 00:47:18.860
it won't, you'll never get sick. You know, you

00:47:18.860 --> 00:47:21.099
only have to take one. It's really effective.

00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:23.460
And then now it's two and that's it. And now

00:47:23.460 --> 00:47:27.460
it's three and now it's four. And, you know,

00:47:27.460 --> 00:47:30.619
and that. And each time they had to move the

00:47:30.619 --> 00:47:33.219
goalposts and everybody just would go along with

00:47:33.219 --> 00:47:35.579
the next claim without ever saying, but wait

00:47:35.579 --> 00:47:38.000
a minute, you know, why should we trust you now?

00:47:38.099 --> 00:47:42.920
Because you were, you know, you were saying was

00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:48.360
such. And by the way, the defense is, well, they

00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:50.940
were in the middle of pandemic and they had to

00:47:50.940 --> 00:47:54.820
act quickly. But and, you know, they had to sort

00:47:54.820 --> 00:47:58.000
of do some guesswork. But they were saying it

00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:01.800
with such assurance. And they were punishing

00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:05.619
doctors of conscience who began questioning them.

00:48:05.659 --> 00:48:07.739
They were ruining their careers. They were destroying

00:48:07.739 --> 00:48:09.880
their reputations. They were taking away their

00:48:09.880 --> 00:48:13.719
livelihoods of scientists and doctors. People

00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:16.239
who were getting injured, they were, you know,

00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:19.340
they were marginalizing, vilifying, gaslighting

00:48:19.340 --> 00:48:21.920
them and urging others to do the same. You know,

00:48:21.940 --> 00:48:24.739
getting on TV and saying, if you didn't do this,

00:48:24.820 --> 00:48:27.619
you're a bad person and you shouldn't be treated

00:48:27.619 --> 00:48:30.980
when you go to a hospital. You know, and all

00:48:30.980 --> 00:48:34.440
of these things, which is not something was,

00:48:34.500 --> 00:48:39.500
you know, something was really wrong. But it's

00:48:39.500 --> 00:48:44.239
it seems to be. the same pattern over and over

00:48:44.239 --> 00:48:48.099
again it's just bizarre that it takes so long

00:48:48.099 --> 00:48:51.039
to get the narrative out to people that when

00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:55.500
you get a corporation any corporation just any

00:48:55.500 --> 00:48:58.340
group of people that can make money unchecked

00:48:58.340 --> 00:49:02.679
it seems to be a normal human characteristic

00:49:02.679 --> 00:49:05.889
that they do that When they're unregulated or

00:49:05.889 --> 00:49:07.690
unchecked or when someone's not watching them

00:49:07.690 --> 00:49:09.650
or when the people that are watching them are

00:49:09.650 --> 00:49:13.429
compromised. And then if you were literally funding

00:49:13.429 --> 00:49:18.090
media, so you're funding all these shows and

00:49:18.090 --> 00:49:20.329
they have to essentially self -censor and you're

00:49:20.329 --> 00:49:22.730
seeing it. I'm sure you're aware of the YouTube

00:49:22.730 --> 00:49:24.829
videos of yourself that have been pulled now.

00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:28.099
You know, the hot boxing with Mike Tyson got

00:49:28.099 --> 00:49:31.360
pulled. Theo Vaughn's podcast got pulled. Theo

00:49:31.360 --> 00:49:33.800
called me, you know, really worried and apologetic,

00:49:33.820 --> 00:49:36.719
saying, because I was going to go on his show

00:49:36.719 --> 00:49:38.719
again. And he said, I'm worried about having

00:49:38.719 --> 00:49:40.619
you on my show. And this is just two weeks ago.

00:49:40.900 --> 00:49:43.519
And what was, well, he's probably worried about

00:49:43.519 --> 00:49:46.219
getting another strike from you. Yeah. So what

00:49:46.219 --> 00:49:48.260
was the subject that you guys discussed that

00:49:48.260 --> 00:49:52.739
was such a problem? You know, I don't even know.

00:49:52.940 --> 00:49:56.920
He just he said and then somebody did an article

00:49:56.920 --> 00:50:02.900
on it on what happened to him. Yeah, it was I

00:50:02.900 --> 00:50:06.539
think it's a place called Free Press and an article.

00:50:06.579 --> 00:50:09.280
But it was an old you know, it was all it was

00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:12.920
weird because it was a it was a discussion. I've

00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:15.119
been on his show a bunch of times, but it was

00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:17.280
something that we did during the pandemic and

00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:21.170
they let it stand. Yeah. It was up for quite

00:50:21.170 --> 00:50:23.570
a while. It was up for a long time. And he called

00:50:23.570 --> 00:50:26.010
me like two or three weeks ago and he was like

00:50:26.010 --> 00:50:30.769
shaking. And because he had said to me, why don't

00:50:30.769 --> 00:50:32.969
you come on again? And, you know, I love him

00:50:32.969 --> 00:50:35.730
and his podcast is really fun and it's really

00:50:35.730 --> 00:50:39.590
close to my house. And I get a really good response

00:50:39.590 --> 00:50:41.829
from it. He is kind of a very interesting audience.

00:50:41.909 --> 00:50:44.170
I think he's got a big overlap with you. But,

00:50:44.170 --> 00:50:48.480
you know. he it's it's really he's such a pleasant

00:50:48.480 --> 00:50:50.659
guy yeah i love him to death he's out here now

00:50:50.659 --> 00:50:57.820
yeah so he uh he uh so i i was looking forward

00:50:57.820 --> 00:50:59.719
to going on his podcast but he called me and

00:50:59.719 --> 00:51:01.659
was like i don't think we can do it because i

00:51:01.659 --> 00:51:04.079
you know i'm worried about my livelihood yeah

00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:07.989
yeah that's where the self -censoring kicks in.

00:51:08.090 --> 00:51:10.550
And so did they give him any indication of what

00:51:10.550 --> 00:51:13.250
the subject was? I don't know. He was trying

00:51:13.250 --> 00:51:15.409
to find out from them, and I don't think they

00:51:15.409 --> 00:51:18.409
were being that forthcoming. What did you guys

00:51:18.409 --> 00:51:23.329
discuss? Did you discuss COVID? We had a long

00:51:23.329 --> 00:51:26.889
discussion. We did one that was almost entirely

00:51:26.889 --> 00:51:31.869
on falconry. Falconry? Yeah. Well, you know,

00:51:31.889 --> 00:51:35.400
I went on Mike Tyson. I spent a lot of it talking

00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:37.739
about pigeons because I used to raise homing

00:51:37.739 --> 00:51:40.019
pigeons, and that's really why I wanted to go

00:51:40.019 --> 00:51:42.460
on his show because I knew he was a pigeon fancier,

00:51:42.460 --> 00:51:49.780
pigeon guy. Wow. And then Theo found out that

00:51:49.780 --> 00:51:53.099
I train hawks, and he was interested in that.

00:51:53.139 --> 00:51:58.190
He's like a hunter in Tennessee. And so we ended

00:51:58.190 --> 00:51:59.949
up talking a lot about that. I don't remember

00:51:59.949 --> 00:52:02.449
if we talked about vaccines, but we must have

00:52:02.449 --> 00:52:07.829
at some point. But that kind of self -censoring

00:52:07.829 --> 00:52:11.269
is – it seems to have ramped up. And they – like

00:52:11.269 --> 00:52:13.130
I said, they deleted the Mike Tyson episode.

00:52:13.250 --> 00:52:16.070
They deleted the Theo Vaughn episode. I'm not

00:52:16.070 --> 00:52:17.510
aware of any other ones. Are you aware of any

00:52:17.510 --> 00:52:19.449
other ones that got taken down as well? Well,

00:52:19.550 --> 00:52:23.469
I mean anything I put up comes down. Yeah? Yeah.

00:52:23.550 --> 00:52:29.760
I mean we're – I'm – I'm heavily censored. Can

00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:33.739
I just finish kind of the vaccine saga? Because

00:52:33.739 --> 00:52:36.019
you let me talk so long already, and I really

00:52:36.019 --> 00:52:39.599
don't want to talk about other stuff, but I'll

00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:44.659
just finish this, what happened. In around 1999,

00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:49.079
the vaccine schedule immediately after they passed

00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:51.900
the Vaccine Act exploded because all these companies

00:52:51.900 --> 00:52:54.239
were rushing to get new vaccines onto the schedule.

00:52:55.360 --> 00:52:58.219
Many of them for diseases that weren't even casually

00:52:58.219 --> 00:53:00.760
contagious, like ridiculous diseases that are

00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:03.340
like hepatitis B. Why would you give – you get

00:53:03.340 --> 00:53:08.320
hepatitis B from sharing needles or from like

00:53:08.320 --> 00:53:11.300
going to a really seasoned prostitute or from

00:53:11.300 --> 00:53:20.619
sort of compulsive homosexual behavior. But a

00:53:20.619 --> 00:53:23.940
baby can get it if they get it from their mom.

00:53:24.639 --> 00:53:28.139
But every mom is tested. So, you know, at the

00:53:28.139 --> 00:53:30.260
hospital, every mom, every pregnant woman is

00:53:30.260 --> 00:53:32.480
tested for it. So the baby doesn't need this.

00:53:32.619 --> 00:53:34.500
Is there a treatment for it when they do get

00:53:34.500 --> 00:53:38.940
it? Yeah. But the thing is, why would you give

00:53:38.940 --> 00:53:42.199
it to a one -day -old baby, you know, or a three

00:53:42.199 --> 00:53:44.599
-hour -old baby, and then four more times when

00:53:44.599 --> 00:53:47.059
that baby's not going to be even subject to it

00:53:47.059 --> 00:53:52.000
for 16 years? And it may not even—I mean, originally

00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:56.300
what happened is Merck— And CDC designed this

00:53:56.300 --> 00:54:00.159
for prostitutes and for male homosexuals, promiscuous

00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:03.500
male homosexuals. And they couldn't sell any

00:54:03.500 --> 00:54:06.139
because those cohorts had other better things

00:54:06.139 --> 00:54:08.340
to do with their money. And they didn't you know,

00:54:08.340 --> 00:54:11.300
they weren't going to buy the vaccine. Oh, CDC

00:54:11.300 --> 00:54:14.219
went or Merck went back to CDC and said, we built

00:54:14.219 --> 00:54:16.420
all these plants and we got the thing and got

00:54:16.420 --> 00:54:18.239
it approved. And we were, you know, a billion

00:54:18.239 --> 00:54:21.340
dollars in. What are you going to do? And CDC

00:54:21.340 --> 00:54:23.829
said, well, just recommend it for children. And

00:54:23.829 --> 00:54:26.610
that way they keep what they call the warm production

00:54:26.610 --> 00:54:33.969
lines. They keep the vaccine. They like to have

00:54:33.969 --> 00:54:36.230
a lot of vaccines in case there's emergency.

00:54:36.250 --> 00:54:38.429
They have a lot of lines out there that they

00:54:38.429 --> 00:54:41.590
can manufacture a pandemic response on. This

00:54:41.590 --> 00:54:45.750
is what they say. So anyway, all of these new

00:54:45.750 --> 00:54:49.050
crazy diseases, rotavirus, and we're all put

00:54:49.050 --> 00:54:55.530
on the schedule. And then they started seeing

00:54:55.530 --> 00:54:58.650
all of this explosion in chronic disease and

00:54:58.650 --> 00:55:05.230
particularly autism. So around 1995, CDC, Congress

00:55:05.230 --> 00:55:07.329
said to EPA, what year did the autism epidemic

00:55:07.329 --> 00:55:11.429
begin? And EPA is a captured agency, but it's

00:55:11.429 --> 00:55:13.630
captured by the coal industry and the oil and

00:55:13.630 --> 00:55:15.690
the pesticide industry, but not by the pharma

00:55:15.690 --> 00:55:18.710
because it doesn't regulate pharma. So it actually

00:55:18.710 --> 00:55:22.429
did a real science and it said. 1989 is the year

00:55:22.429 --> 00:55:25.449
the epidemic began. It's a red line. And 1989

00:55:25.449 --> 00:55:28.309
was the year the vaccine schedule exploded. That

00:55:28.309 --> 00:55:30.769
doesn't mean that's a correlation. It does not

00:55:30.769 --> 00:55:33.929
mean causation. But it is something that should

00:55:33.929 --> 00:55:39.510
be looked at. And NIH decided to look at it because

00:55:39.510 --> 00:55:43.070
women were saying it was the vaccine again and

00:55:43.070 --> 00:55:44.730
again and again and again and again and again

00:55:44.730 --> 00:55:47.329
and again. Women were coming with the same story.

00:55:48.880 --> 00:55:51.079
perfectly healthy two -year -old, exceeded all

00:55:51.079 --> 00:55:55.219
his milestones. I gave him on their second birthday,

00:55:55.219 --> 00:55:58.559
their 18th month wellness visit, a full battery

00:55:58.559 --> 00:56:02.079
of six or eight vaccines, and that child spikes

00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:04.940
a fever that night, has a seizure, and over the

00:56:04.940 --> 00:56:07.300
next three months loses their language, loses

00:56:07.300 --> 00:56:11.300
their capacity. Make eye contact, finger point,

00:56:11.420 --> 00:56:13.820
social interactions and languages disappear.

00:56:14.139 --> 00:56:17.079
And it happened so many times that NIH was saying,

00:56:17.119 --> 00:56:18.539
we've got to look to see if it's the vaccine.

00:56:19.280 --> 00:56:27.199
And CDC was. So CDC hired a Belgian epidemiologist

00:56:27.199 --> 00:56:31.139
named Thomas Verstraten. And they opened up the

00:56:31.139 --> 00:56:33.300
vaccine safety data link, which is the biggest.

00:56:34.279 --> 00:56:37.739
database for vaccines, for HMOs. All the top

00:56:37.739 --> 00:56:40.320
10 HMOs have all their records in there. So they

00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:42.360
have all your vaccination records and all your

00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:44.760
health claims. So you can do these kind of cluster

00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:48.940
analyses. And Verstratten went in there and he

00:56:48.940 --> 00:56:50.960
looked at one thing. He looked at children who

00:56:50.960 --> 00:56:54.300
got the hepatitis B vaccine within their first

00:56:54.300 --> 00:56:58.300
month of life and compared those health outcomes

00:56:58.300 --> 00:57:00.619
in children who did not. In other words, children

00:57:00.619 --> 00:57:04.119
who got it after 30 days. or didn't get it at

00:57:04.119 --> 00:57:07.820
all. That was the second cohort. What he found

00:57:07.820 --> 00:57:10.619
in his first run through the data is there was

00:57:10.619 --> 00:57:16.280
an 1135 % greater or elevated risk for an autism

00:57:16.280 --> 00:57:18.980
diagnosis among the kids who'd gotten it in their

00:57:18.980 --> 00:57:22.260
first 30 days. At that point, they knew what

00:57:22.260 --> 00:57:25.000
caused the autism epidemic, because a relative

00:57:25.000 --> 00:57:29.179
risk, it's called a relative risk of 11 .35,

00:57:29.480 --> 00:57:33.969
a relative risk of two, is considered proof of

00:57:33.969 --> 00:57:36.730
causation as long as there's biological plausibility.

00:57:38.449 --> 00:57:41.469
The relative risk of smoking a pack of cigarettes

00:57:41.469 --> 00:57:43.710
a day for 20 years and getting lung cancer is

00:57:43.710 --> 00:57:49.969
10. This was 11 .35. So there was a panic throughout

00:57:49.969 --> 00:57:53.190
the industry. As people heard about this study,

00:57:53.329 --> 00:57:56.730
the CDC wanted to do a meeting with all of the

00:57:56.730 --> 00:58:00.469
big panjerims of the industry. They didn't want

00:58:00.469 --> 00:58:04.130
to do it on CDC campus. Because then they thought

00:58:04.130 --> 00:58:05.949
it would be subject to a freedom of information

00:58:05.949 --> 00:58:09.690
law request. They wanted to keep it secret. So

00:58:09.690 --> 00:58:12.949
they found this retreat center, a Methodist retreat

00:58:12.949 --> 00:58:15.750
center in Norcrosswood, Georgia, called Simpsonwood.

00:58:15.849 --> 00:58:18.429
And they assembled, I think there was 72 people

00:58:18.429 --> 00:58:21.610
there. And they were from the WHO, CDC, NIH,

00:58:21.750 --> 00:58:28.650
FDA, and all the vaccine companies. And all the

00:58:28.650 --> 00:58:31.309
big academics, the people who basically develop

00:58:31.309 --> 00:58:33.750
vaccines in the academic institutions, and they

00:58:33.750 --> 00:58:37.489
were all there. And they spend the first day,

00:58:37.550 --> 00:58:39.750
they give them all a copy of the first -hand

00:58:39.750 --> 00:58:41.730
study, but they have to give it all back because

00:58:41.730 --> 00:58:44.750
they don't want it out there. And then they have

00:58:44.750 --> 00:58:47.610
a day of talking about it where they're all saying,

00:58:47.730 --> 00:58:52.989
holy cow, this is real. And, you know, the lawyers

00:58:52.989 --> 00:58:56.630
are going to come after us. We're all in trouble.

00:58:57.119 --> 00:58:59.179
And then they spend the second day talking about

00:58:59.179 --> 00:59:03.320
how to hide it. How do you know this? Because

00:59:03.320 --> 00:59:06.480
somebody made a recording of it. And I got a

00:59:06.480 --> 00:59:09.400
hold of the transcripts. And I publish excerpts

00:59:09.400 --> 00:59:11.239
from those transcripts in Rolling Stone. And

00:59:11.239 --> 00:59:15.179
anybody can go and read these now on our website.

00:59:15.179 --> 00:59:17.340
It's called Simpsonwood. And you can read through

00:59:17.340 --> 00:59:19.280
the whole thing or you can read my Rolling Stone

00:59:19.280 --> 00:59:21.820
article, which is also on the website, which

00:59:21.820 --> 00:59:27.599
summarizes it. But anyway – and check if that

00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:31.860
– if you think it's true or not. But they – so

00:59:31.860 --> 00:59:34.860
then when I read that, when I read that, then

00:59:34.860 --> 00:59:38.260
I was like, OK, I got to like drop everything

00:59:38.260 --> 00:59:40.340
and do something about this. And I published

00:59:40.340 --> 00:59:45.340
this article in Rolling Stone and I – and I was

00:59:45.340 --> 00:59:48.639
kind of shocked by just the – power of the reaction

00:59:48.639 --> 00:59:51.719
against it. People, you know, coming out of Rolling

00:59:51.719 --> 00:59:55.820
Stone and Salon, which also published it, were

00:59:55.820 --> 00:59:58.780
just bulldozed with, you know, these hate reactions.

00:59:58.840 --> 01:00:05.719
And Salon, six years later, by the way, there

01:00:05.719 --> 01:00:08.900
were four corrections, I think four or five corrections

01:00:08.900 --> 01:00:12.800
in the article in the next week, right? All of

01:00:12.800 --> 01:00:16.659
those corrections. were made by the editors of

01:00:16.659 --> 01:00:19.840
Salon and Rolling Stone. And they've sent me

01:00:19.840 --> 01:00:22.260
letters, which are also on our website, saying

01:00:22.260 --> 01:00:27.380
this. None by me. But from then on, they said,

01:00:27.460 --> 01:00:29.440
oh, Kennedy, it was loaded with mistakes. And

01:00:29.440 --> 01:00:31.880
six years later, Salon, under pressure from the

01:00:31.880 --> 01:00:35.500
pharmaceutical industry, takes it down and says

01:00:35.500 --> 01:00:37.659
we found mistakes in it. But they never showed

01:00:37.659 --> 01:00:41.199
any mistakes. I've said repeatedly to them, show

01:00:41.199 --> 01:00:43.800
me one mistake in that published piece. Show

01:00:43.800 --> 01:00:45.719
me one. And they have not been able to do it.

01:00:45.780 --> 01:00:48.860
And then they also forget that the four mistakes

01:00:48.860 --> 01:00:54.039
that were found, that we printed errata for,

01:00:54.119 --> 01:00:56.960
that Rolling Stone printed errata for, were all

01:00:56.960 --> 01:01:01.219
made by them. Because they edited my 16 ,000

01:01:01.219 --> 01:01:03.840
-word piece down to a 3 ,000 -word piece. And

01:01:03.840 --> 01:01:06.019
when they were doing that, they made some errors.

01:01:13.700 --> 01:01:17.579
But what happened after that is you had this

01:01:17.579 --> 01:01:23.820
explosion in chronic disease. So – and this is

01:01:23.820 --> 01:01:27.179
something everybody – this is the punchline and

01:01:27.179 --> 01:01:30.559
this is what everybody needs to focus on. In

01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:34.659
1960s when I was a kid, 6 percent of Americans

01:01:34.659 --> 01:01:38.000
had chronic disease. What do I mean by chronic

01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:40.739
disease? Basically three categories plus obesity.

01:01:41.960 --> 01:01:45.420
One, neurological disorders, ADD, ADHD, speech

01:01:45.420 --> 01:01:47.719
delay, language delay, tics, Tourette's syndrome,

01:01:47.860 --> 01:01:53.559
narcolepsy, ASD, autism. Autism went from 1 in

01:01:53.559 --> 01:01:56.300
10 ,000 in my generation. It's still 1 in 10

01:01:56.300 --> 01:02:00.199
,000 in my generation. How old are you? 55. I

01:02:00.199 --> 01:02:02.699
bet that you've never met anybody with full -blown

01:02:02.699 --> 01:02:06.500
autism your age, you know, headbanging, football

01:02:06.500 --> 01:02:10.639
or helmet on. non -toilet trained, non -verbal.

01:02:10.780 --> 01:02:13.059
I mean, I've never met anybody like that at my

01:02:13.059 --> 01:02:16.199
age, but in my kid's age, now one in every 34

01:02:16.199 --> 01:02:19.639
kids has autism, and half of those are full -blown,

01:02:19.659 --> 01:02:23.000
meaning that description. Now, what's the conventional

01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:27.820
explanation for that? Well, I mean, there's no

01:02:27.820 --> 01:02:31.699
real explanation. How do they try to explain?

01:02:31.920 --> 01:02:34.760
They try to say, well, we're just noticing it

01:02:34.760 --> 01:02:37.840
more, which is ridiculous because... First of

01:02:37.840 --> 01:02:39.900
all, there's all kinds of studies that say that

01:02:39.900 --> 01:02:43.340
the, you know, really good studies like Irva

01:02:43.340 --> 01:02:45.659
Herz -Pichota, who's a very famous scientist,

01:02:45.840 --> 01:02:49.460
epidemiologist, biostatistician, who was commissioned

01:02:49.460 --> 01:02:52.840
by the California state legislature to answer

01:02:52.840 --> 01:02:57.000
that question. She's at the Mind Institute at

01:02:57.000 --> 01:02:59.159
UC Davis. And she came back and said, no, the

01:02:59.159 --> 01:03:02.480
epidemic is real. It's not, you know, better

01:03:02.480 --> 01:03:06.590
diagnostic or changing diagnostic criteria. And

01:03:06.590 --> 01:03:10.550
so – and that – any real scientist now, even

01:03:10.550 --> 01:03:13.269
the big backers like Paul Offit won't – I don't

01:03:13.269 --> 01:03:15.690
think even he will say that. But nobody from

01:03:15.690 --> 01:03:18.610
CDC is actually going to stand up and say that.

01:03:18.730 --> 01:03:21.650
They certainly won't debate the point. But even

01:03:21.650 --> 01:03:26.849
more so, if it's one – if it's not an epidemic,

01:03:27.070 --> 01:03:30.889
then where are all – where are the 1 in 34 69

01:03:30.889 --> 01:03:35.150
-year -old men? who are wearing helmets and non

01:03:35.150 --> 01:03:37.710
-toilet trained. You know, if you got autism,

01:03:37.829 --> 01:03:41.030
you live forever. It doesn't affect lifespan.

01:03:42.349 --> 01:03:45.610
These kids are going to be around forever. But

01:03:45.610 --> 01:03:48.889
there's nobody my age who looks like that. So

01:03:48.889 --> 01:03:51.969
if it was really better recognition, you'd see

01:03:51.969 --> 01:03:54.110
it in every age group, not just in children.

01:03:55.369 --> 01:03:57.909
Not only that, but it changes every year. It

01:03:57.909 --> 01:03:59.750
gets worse and worse every year. So they can't

01:03:59.750 --> 01:04:01.630
keep saying, oh, we're just noticing it for the

01:04:01.630 --> 01:04:04.809
first time. And also – How does it get worse

01:04:04.809 --> 01:04:07.309
every year? What? How does it get worse every

01:04:07.309 --> 01:04:12.869
year? Because the CDC releases new data. I think

01:04:12.869 --> 01:04:17.349
it's ADM. It's a monitoring system. And there's

01:04:17.349 --> 01:04:19.250
been all kinds of scandals with that because

01:04:19.250 --> 01:04:23.130
the CDC tries to manipulate the data. And there's

01:04:23.130 --> 01:04:24.989
all kinds of whistleblowers from the different

01:04:24.989 --> 01:04:27.190
states who say that they're pressured to not

01:04:27.190 --> 01:04:30.969
report cases and that kind of thing. But the

01:04:30.969 --> 01:04:33.630
CDC releases new data every year and every year

01:04:33.630 --> 01:04:35.969
it gets worse. It goes from, you know, it's now,

01:04:36.050 --> 01:04:41.289
I think, one in 22 boys. Has the rate of vaccinations

01:04:41.289 --> 01:04:44.250
changed? Has the schedule changed? Yeah, the

01:04:44.250 --> 01:04:46.329
rates of vaccinations have gone up. And, you

01:04:46.329 --> 01:04:49.349
know, the mercury has been removed from a lot

01:04:49.349 --> 01:04:53.780
of the vaccines. There's aluminum in those vaccines,

01:04:53.840 --> 01:04:56.900
which, you know, operates along the same biological

01:04:56.900 --> 01:04:59.699
pathways and does the same kind of damage. It's

01:04:59.699 --> 01:05:01.940
extremely neurotoxic. And then there's other

01:05:01.940 --> 01:05:04.519
things, lots of other toxics in the vaccines

01:05:04.519 --> 01:05:08.539
that, you know, could be responsible. I mean,

01:05:08.539 --> 01:05:10.400
there's lots, there's hundreds and hundreds of

01:05:10.400 --> 01:05:12.539
scientific studies that looked at it, but nobody

01:05:12.539 --> 01:05:16.900
ever reports them. I did a book in which I have

01:05:16.900 --> 01:05:20.860
450 studies that are digested in that book, you

01:05:20.860 --> 01:05:26.099
know, that I summarize and cite and 1 ,400 references.

01:05:26.440 --> 01:05:28.519
And everybody will say, oh, there's no study

01:05:28.519 --> 01:05:31.039
that shows autism and vaccines are connected.

01:05:31.179 --> 01:05:33.659
That's just crazy. You know, that's people who

01:05:33.659 --> 01:05:38.510
are not looking at science. But they want to

01:05:38.510 --> 01:05:41.750
say that. They want to say that. It's just part

01:05:41.750 --> 01:05:44.110
of the religion. Yes. That's exactly what it

01:05:44.110 --> 01:05:47.670
is. It really does seem like a religion. And

01:05:47.670 --> 01:05:49.489
the heretics have to be burned at the stake.

01:05:49.530 --> 01:05:52.170
They have to be humiliated, silence destroyed.

01:05:55.230 --> 01:06:01.769
Trust the experts is not a function of science.

01:06:02.329 --> 01:06:05.070
That's the opposite of science. Trusting the

01:06:05.070 --> 01:06:08.780
experts. It's a function of religion. It's not

01:06:08.780 --> 01:06:12.059
– and totalitarianism. It's not a function of

01:06:12.059 --> 01:06:15.260
science or democracy. In democracies, you question

01:06:15.260 --> 01:06:19.019
people in authority and maintain a posture of

01:06:19.019 --> 01:06:22.280
skepticism toward them. The same is true in science.

01:06:22.420 --> 01:06:25.260
You don't trust the experts. Right. But it wasn't.

01:06:25.519 --> 01:06:27.780
all the experts either that was part of the problem

01:06:27.780 --> 01:06:30.360
the experts that did including robert malone

01:06:30.360 --> 01:06:34.579
these guys are maligned in such an obvious and

01:06:34.579 --> 01:06:38.699
slandered in such a like a blatant way yeah well

01:06:38.699 --> 01:06:42.760
you know when i um when i when they first started

01:06:42.760 --> 01:06:45.460
saying trust the experts i was saying where did

01:06:45.460 --> 01:06:48.699
they get that from i've been litigating for 40

01:06:48.699 --> 01:06:52.480
years Every case I have, there's experts on both

01:06:52.480 --> 01:06:55.940
sides. So when we brought the Monsanto case,

01:06:56.559 --> 01:06:59.739
they had experts from Yale, Stanford, and Harvard.

01:06:59.920 --> 01:07:03.019
And we had experts from Yale on our side, Stanford

01:07:03.019 --> 01:07:06.440
and Harvard. And they both said completely different

01:07:06.440 --> 01:07:08.599
things from each other. And they were totally

01:07:08.599 --> 01:07:11.699
credible. So that's why, you know, and the jury

01:07:11.699 --> 01:07:14.139
decided that our experts were right and their

01:07:14.139 --> 01:07:18.260
experts were wrong. The idea you can trust the

01:07:18.260 --> 01:07:21.440
experts. Experts get biased too. You pay expert

01:07:21.440 --> 01:07:24.019
enough money and a lot of them will say whatever

01:07:24.019 --> 01:07:26.460
you want them to say. And the people who were

01:07:26.460 --> 01:07:30.440
saying this at the top had a lot of money and

01:07:30.440 --> 01:07:34.980
power at stake. Anyway, I'm almost finished.

01:07:35.340 --> 01:07:38.239
The autoimmune – the second category is autoimmune

01:07:38.239 --> 01:07:42.079
diseases. All those neurological diseases explode

01:07:42.079 --> 01:07:47.139
in 1989 as I say. Autism just exponentially explodes.

01:07:48.119 --> 01:07:50.940
And if you're my age and you're listening to

01:07:50.940 --> 01:07:52.719
this, you know, and I know you got a younger

01:07:52.719 --> 01:07:55.320
demographic, but you will remember that you didn't

01:07:55.320 --> 01:07:57.320
know anybody who looked like this when you were,

01:07:57.440 --> 01:07:59.719
you know, in school. We didn't know kids who

01:07:59.719 --> 01:08:03.659
had diabetes. We didn't know kids who had EpiPens.

01:08:04.630 --> 01:08:07.489
The autoimmune diseases like diabetes, juvenile

01:08:07.489 --> 01:08:10.329
diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, Crohn's

01:08:10.329 --> 01:08:11.989
disease, all of this stuff suddenly appeared.

01:08:12.090 --> 01:08:14.010
I didn't know any of these diseases when I was

01:08:14.010 --> 01:08:16.850
a kid. But they existed when you were a kid.

01:08:16.970 --> 01:08:19.890
Some of them did. But, you know, they were so

01:08:19.890 --> 01:08:22.329
rare. I mean, even like the allergic disease.

01:08:22.390 --> 01:08:23.970
I didn't know anybody who had a peanut allergy.

01:08:24.090 --> 01:08:28.869
I had 11 siblings. Like 71st cousins and, you

01:08:28.869 --> 01:08:31.689
know, I never, and a lot, a lot of friends, I

01:08:31.689 --> 01:08:33.529
never knew anybody with a peanut allergy. Why

01:08:33.529 --> 01:08:36.529
do five of my seven kids have allergies? And,

01:08:36.529 --> 01:08:43.329
of course, we know why. Because aluminum adjuvants

01:08:43.329 --> 01:08:45.430
give you allergies. They're designed to make

01:08:45.430 --> 01:08:49.170
you, you know, to create a hyperimmune response

01:08:49.170 --> 01:08:53.859
to, you know, to form particles. And the last

01:08:53.859 --> 01:08:57.520
category is, yeah, the allergic diseases, peanut

01:08:57.520 --> 01:09:03.020
allergies, food allergies, eczema, which I never

01:09:03.020 --> 01:09:05.500
knew anybody with eczema when I was a kid. I

01:09:05.500 --> 01:09:09.579
never, asthma, I knew people with asthma, but

01:09:09.579 --> 01:09:12.539
it wasn't one in every four black kids like it

01:09:12.539 --> 01:09:15.699
is today. So, you know, all of those things.

01:09:15.779 --> 01:09:20.140
Now, we went from 6 % of American having chronic

01:09:20.140 --> 01:09:24.199
disease. By 1986, we're starting to have the

01:09:24.199 --> 01:09:30.060
vaccines, and we get 11 .8 % of kids now, so

01:09:30.060 --> 01:09:35.539
it's doubled. By 2006, 54%. These are kids who

01:09:35.539 --> 01:09:38.180
are permanently disabled, and they have to be

01:09:38.180 --> 01:09:40.840
on medication their whole lives. So we are the

01:09:40.840 --> 01:09:44.050
sickest generation in history. There's no other

01:09:44.050 --> 01:09:45.930
country in the world that has this kind of chronic

01:09:45.930 --> 01:09:47.930
disease epidemic. We have the biggest chronic

01:09:47.930 --> 01:09:50.329
disease. And of course, this is one of the reasons

01:09:50.329 --> 01:09:52.689
we had the highest death rate during COVID, because

01:09:52.689 --> 01:09:54.649
we have the highest chronic disease burden in

01:09:54.649 --> 01:09:58.609
the world. And, you know, listen, it's not just

01:09:58.609 --> 01:10:01.510
the vaccines. And I never have said that. Our

01:10:01.510 --> 01:10:04.590
children are swimming around in a toxic soup.

01:10:05.600 --> 01:10:08.659
What we can say is most of it started in 1989,

01:10:08.760 --> 01:10:11.939
and there are only a certain – there's a finite

01:10:11.939 --> 01:10:14.380
number of culprits that you can point to and

01:10:14.380 --> 01:10:18.119
say this – it has to come from a toxic exposure

01:10:18.119 --> 01:10:21.239
because genes don't cause epidemics. They can

01:10:21.239 --> 01:10:23.760
provide a vulnerability, but you need a toxic

01:10:23.760 --> 01:10:27.560
exposure. What is it? Is it – you know, it could

01:10:27.560 --> 01:10:30.510
be glyphosate. It could be neonicotinoid pesticides.

01:10:30.569 --> 01:10:33.609
It could be PFOAs, which are the flame retardants

01:10:33.609 --> 01:10:35.529
that became ubiquitous, you know, around that

01:10:35.529 --> 01:10:39.630
same timeline. It could be cell phones. You know,

01:10:39.649 --> 01:10:46.630
it could be Wi -Fi radiation. That's unlikely.

01:10:47.010 --> 01:10:49.350
What? Isn't that very unlikely? It could be ultrasound.

01:10:49.489 --> 01:10:53.130
Yeah, yeah, of course. Well, you know, I think

01:10:53.130 --> 01:10:56.569
the Wi -Fi radiation is a lot worse than people

01:10:56.569 --> 01:11:04.449
think it is. How so? Well, Wi -Fi radiation does

01:11:04.449 --> 01:11:08.930
all kinds of bad things, including causing cancer.

01:11:09.489 --> 01:11:11.630
Wi -Fi radiation causes cancer? Yeah, from your

01:11:11.630 --> 01:11:13.229
cell phone. I mean, there are cell phone tumors.

01:11:14.029 --> 01:11:16.989
I mean, I'm representing hundreds of people who

01:11:16.989 --> 01:11:19.890
have cell phone tumors behind the ear. It's always

01:11:19.890 --> 01:11:21.810
on the ear that you favor with your cell phone.

01:11:23.029 --> 01:11:26.270
And, you know, we have the science. So if anybody

01:11:26.270 --> 01:11:28.630
lets us in front of a jury, it will be over.

01:11:29.630 --> 01:11:31.930
So what is the number? Because a lot of people

01:11:31.930 --> 01:11:33.130
use cell phones. There's a lot of people with

01:11:33.130 --> 01:11:35.810
it. They're glioblastomas. That's the kind of

01:11:35.810 --> 01:11:38.729
cancers that they get. But cancer is not the

01:11:38.729 --> 01:11:41.409
worst thing. They also, you know, it opens up.

01:11:42.109 --> 01:11:45.189
Wi -Fi radiation opens up your blood -brain barrier.

01:11:45.579 --> 01:11:48.180
And so all these toxins that are in your body

01:11:48.180 --> 01:11:51.199
can now go into your brain. How does Wi -Fi radiation

01:11:51.199 --> 01:11:54.260
open up your blood -brain barrier? Now you're

01:11:54.260 --> 01:12:02.260
going beyond my expertise. I'm going to use a

01:12:02.260 --> 01:12:04.100
number here, and you're going to think it's hyperbole,

01:12:04.180 --> 01:12:07.420
but it's not. There are tens of thousands of

01:12:07.420 --> 01:12:11.619
studies that show the horrendous danger of Wi

01:12:11.619 --> 01:12:16.600
-Fi radiation. So this is Wi -Fi that's in this

01:12:16.600 --> 01:12:19.680
room? Yeah. Because we have Wi -Fi. Wi -Fi routers.

01:12:19.699 --> 01:12:21.960
You should not be asleep and you should not let

01:12:21.960 --> 01:12:25.899
your kids carry their cell phones on their breasts,

01:12:25.920 --> 01:12:28.119
particularly a woman, because they're associated

01:12:28.119 --> 01:12:30.260
with breast cancer. They shouldn't be holding

01:12:30.260 --> 01:12:31.779
them in their breast pocket. If you have to,

01:12:31.819 --> 01:12:36.000
put them in your butt pocket. You should not

01:12:36.000 --> 01:12:39.039
be having them near your head when you're sleeping.

01:12:39.319 --> 01:12:41.560
You need to get away and you should never put

01:12:41.560 --> 01:12:44.930
one next to your head. I will never put this

01:12:44.930 --> 01:12:48.829
next to my head. I put it on speakerphone or

01:12:48.829 --> 01:12:52.149
use earphones. But, you know, I won the case

01:12:52.149 --> 01:12:58.489
on this issue of suing FCC and FDA about it.

01:12:58.810 --> 01:13:01.689
And, you know, and the court sided with me. So

01:13:01.689 --> 01:13:03.250
now they're going to have to go back to the drawing

01:13:03.250 --> 01:13:07.060
board and do it. But the Russians. Russians know

01:13:07.060 --> 01:13:09.359
more about Wi -Fi radiation than anybody. They

01:13:09.359 --> 01:13:11.380
developed it as a weapon. And a lot of the really

01:13:11.380 --> 01:13:14.359
good science came out of Russia. And, you know,

01:13:14.420 --> 01:13:16.819
the Russians won't let kids use cell phones in

01:13:16.819 --> 01:13:19.460
kindergarten or, you know, in grade school. A

01:13:19.460 --> 01:13:21.539
lot of the schools in Russia don't let cell phones

01:13:21.539 --> 01:13:24.649
in there because of the danger. And the levels

01:13:24.649 --> 01:13:26.970
of radiation that they allow from cell phones

01:13:26.970 --> 01:13:29.609
is like one one -hundredth of what – and I don't

01:13:29.609 --> 01:13:32.630
know exactly what it is. So that's a number people

01:13:32.630 --> 01:13:36.189
shouldn't hold me to. But it is a tiny fraction

01:13:36.189 --> 01:13:42.270
of what we allow in this country. So the Wi -Fi

01:13:42.270 --> 01:13:43.949
radiation is obviously different than cell phone

01:13:43.949 --> 01:13:46.430
radiation. So you're talking about people that

01:13:46.430 --> 01:13:48.930
are just in a room with Wi -Fi are being exposed

01:13:48.930 --> 01:13:52.609
to something that's dangerous? People have different

01:13:52.609 --> 01:13:56.350
sensitivities to it. Some people are extremely

01:13:56.350 --> 01:13:58.729
sensitive. They become completely debilitated

01:13:58.729 --> 01:14:04.409
from it. Really? From Wi -Fi? Yeah. We have a

01:14:04.409 --> 01:14:10.729
woman who developed an allergy to Wi -Fi. She

01:14:10.729 --> 01:14:13.750
was in the Israeli Defense Forces and she was

01:14:13.750 --> 01:14:17.439
in their cyber warfare unit. She was in a room

01:14:17.439 --> 01:14:19.460
with it all the time and suddenly she developed

01:14:19.460 --> 01:14:24.319
– she's a brilliant lawyer and she's one of the

01:14:24.319 --> 01:14:28.000
leaders of – in this movement to get – to make

01:14:28.000 --> 01:14:32.560
sure that they don't put Wi -Fi antennas on elementary

01:14:32.560 --> 01:14:34.720
schools, which they're doing now. There's no

01:14:34.720 --> 01:14:37.359
control over where people put these antennas.

01:14:39.960 --> 01:14:42.460
So what do you think Wi -Fi is doing to us since

01:14:42.460 --> 01:14:44.520
it's everywhere and since everyone's experiencing

01:14:44.520 --> 01:14:46.380
it, including you? What do you think it's doing

01:14:46.380 --> 01:14:48.859
to us? I think it degrades your mitochondria,

01:14:48.859 --> 01:14:55.560
and it opens your blood -brain barrier. Do you

01:14:55.560 --> 01:14:58.199
see anything online of how it could open up your

01:14:58.199 --> 01:15:00.859
blood -brain barrier? I don't know about how,

01:15:00.979 --> 01:15:05.140
but I— That it does? I mean— I found an article.

01:15:05.199 --> 01:15:08.300
I was trying to find the validity of it, but

01:15:08.300 --> 01:15:12.140
it has a statement on here. Damage to the blood

01:15:12.140 --> 01:15:14.439
-brain barrier. Radiofrequency radiation exposure

01:15:14.439 --> 01:15:16.539
has been shown to affect the permeability of

01:15:16.539 --> 01:15:19.140
the blood -brain barrier as well as altering

01:15:19.140 --> 01:15:22.659
the expression of microRNA within the brain,

01:15:22.920 --> 01:15:25.439
which researchers state could lead to adverse

01:15:25.439 --> 01:15:28.520
effects such as neurodegenerative disease. Whoa.

01:15:29.420 --> 01:15:31.739
How come we don't know that? There's a doctor

01:15:31.739 --> 01:15:35.130
that did a study. and said that it's been expanded

01:15:35.130 --> 01:15:36.930
on researches in China, and there's a published

01:15:36.930 --> 01:15:38.729
article here, but I was looking around at the

01:15:38.729 --> 01:15:43.189
page. They call it leaky brain. The findings

01:15:43.189 --> 01:15:45.210
were followed by suppression, misinformation,

01:15:45.470 --> 01:15:48.090
and a shutdown of government -funded research

01:15:48.090 --> 01:15:50.369
in the United States. It's the same. It's the

01:15:50.369 --> 01:15:53.090
same play. Oh, we've got to get rid of Wi -Fi.

01:15:53.770 --> 01:15:57.390
What the fuck, Jamie? I'm having a hard time

01:15:57.390 --> 01:16:01.859
in this place. Yeah. Oh, my God. That's terrible.

01:16:02.039 --> 01:16:05.039
I don't know. You know, I can't tell you where

01:16:05.039 --> 01:16:08.579
the chronic disease epidemic, I think it's probably

01:16:08.579 --> 01:16:10.739
cumulative. There's a lot going on. There's a

01:16:10.739 --> 01:16:12.840
lot going on. Our kids are swimming around in

01:16:12.840 --> 01:16:15.060
a toxic suit. But, you know, we're now up to

01:16:15.060 --> 01:16:18.159
more than 54 percent of kids now have chronic

01:16:18.159 --> 01:16:21.840
disease. And, you know, I mean, one of the reasons

01:16:21.840 --> 01:16:25.640
I want to be president is to end that. of NIH

01:16:25.640 --> 01:16:27.979
actually doing studies like this rather than

01:16:27.979 --> 01:16:30.279
suppressing them. And let's figure out what it

01:16:30.279 --> 01:16:32.800
is, why kids have chronic disease and end it.

01:16:32.859 --> 01:16:36.319
It's costing us. I mean, during COVID, we had

01:16:36.319 --> 01:16:40.159
4 .2 % of the global population. We had 16 %

01:16:40.159 --> 01:16:43.859
of the COVID deaths. And that's probably a lot

01:16:43.859 --> 01:16:45.939
of reasons for that. But one of the reasons has

01:16:45.939 --> 01:16:48.300
got to be the burden that we have of chronic

01:16:48.300 --> 01:16:53.010
disease in our country. We spend $4 .3 trillion

01:16:53.010 --> 01:16:55.869
on health care every year in this country. 80

01:16:55.869 --> 01:17:00.090
% of that goes to chronic disease. It's bankrupting

01:17:00.090 --> 01:17:02.010
us. I wanted to talk to you about glyphosate

01:17:02.010 --> 01:17:04.649
because you brought it up. And one of the things

01:17:04.649 --> 01:17:06.630
I noticed when there was a test that came out

01:17:06.630 --> 01:17:08.590
or a study that came out recently that showed

01:17:08.590 --> 01:17:11.350
that an enormous percentage of Americans, it

01:17:11.350 --> 01:17:13.989
was somewhere in the 90 % range, when they were

01:17:13.989 --> 01:17:17.250
tested had glyphosate. in their blood and then

01:17:17.250 --> 01:17:20.109
i saw a bunch of apologists online that were

01:17:20.109 --> 01:17:22.470
saying that these numbers that they're used to

01:17:22.470 --> 01:17:26.250
detect are so minuscule and then someone i talked

01:17:26.250 --> 01:17:31.369
to said yes but that is the average so you're

01:17:31.369 --> 01:17:33.229
going to get some people that are exposed to

01:17:33.229 --> 01:17:36.609
tremendous amounts and that it could be toxic

01:17:36.609 --> 01:17:38.869
levels then some people are exposed to very very

01:17:38.869 --> 01:17:42.640
little this is the average but there's no Is

01:17:42.640 --> 01:17:47.199
there data on long -term, even low -dose glyphosate

01:17:47.199 --> 01:17:52.359
in your system? Glyphosate, we should just tell

01:17:52.359 --> 01:17:55.159
people is Roundup. Yeah, glyphosate is the active

01:17:55.159 --> 01:18:02.039
ingredient of Roundup. When we sued Monsanto,

01:18:02.260 --> 01:18:10.239
there's many, many diseases that are linked to

01:18:10.239 --> 01:18:17.380
glyphosate exposure. including non -alcoholic

01:18:17.380 --> 01:18:20.300
fatty liver cancers are very, very closely linked,

01:18:20.399 --> 01:18:25.260
a lot of kidney diseases, and then severe damage

01:18:25.260 --> 01:18:30.399
to the microbiome because it's designed to kill

01:18:30.399 --> 01:18:43.770
plants. There are structures in your gut biome

01:18:43.770 --> 01:18:46.189
that are critical structures in your gut biome

01:18:46.189 --> 01:18:49.569
which have plant -like metabolisms which are

01:18:49.569 --> 01:18:54.289
destroyed by glyphosate. And so, you know, what

01:18:54.289 --> 01:19:02.210
happened is glyphosate was originally developed

01:19:02.210 --> 01:19:08.819
as a tank scalant. So to scale the calcium and

01:19:08.819 --> 01:19:10.760
other deposits, metal deposits, rust deposits

01:19:10.760 --> 01:19:14.359
from the inside of, you know, underground tanks.

01:19:14.680 --> 01:19:23.439
And in 1973, Monsanto had to stop producing DDT

01:19:23.439 --> 01:19:26.720
because, you know, we passed the laws at that

01:19:26.720 --> 01:19:29.319
time. And that was its flagship product. It needed

01:19:29.319 --> 01:19:33.680
another product. And it figured out that. Glyphosate,

01:19:33.739 --> 01:19:35.800
somebody at some point apparently threw some

01:19:35.800 --> 01:19:39.319
glyphosate out in the back in the yard and everything

01:19:39.319 --> 01:19:42.180
green died where they touched it, where it touched

01:19:42.180 --> 01:19:46.159
the glyphosate. And so somebody said, oh, this

01:19:46.159 --> 01:19:48.060
will be a good herbicide because it kills all

01:19:48.060 --> 01:19:52.100
plants. Originally, Monsanto developed it as

01:19:52.100 --> 01:19:56.399
a herbicide, but the way that it was applied

01:19:56.399 --> 01:20:01.750
initially from 1973 to 1993. was in backpack

01:20:01.750 --> 01:20:04.149
sprayers. So guys would walk down the corn field,

01:20:04.229 --> 01:20:08.789
corn rows, early in the season when the corn

01:20:08.789 --> 01:20:11.250
was competing with nearby weeds for sunlight,

01:20:11.550 --> 01:20:15.029
and they would shoot the individual weeds. And

01:20:15.029 --> 01:20:21.710
then in 93, somebody figured out a way that glyphosate,

01:20:21.970 --> 01:20:25.149
there were certain bacteria that glyphosate would

01:20:25.149 --> 01:20:28.390
not kill. And they said we could take a gene

01:20:28.390 --> 01:20:31.279
out of that. bacteria and put it into a corn

01:20:31.279 --> 01:20:34.100
seed and develop a corn that cannot be killed

01:20:34.100 --> 01:20:37.899
by glyphosate. So they developed Roundup Ready

01:20:37.899 --> 01:20:41.399
corn. And that corn, you can pour glyphosate

01:20:41.399 --> 01:20:44.060
all over it and it will do nothing to it. So

01:20:44.060 --> 01:20:47.220
now you could fire all of those workers who were

01:20:47.220 --> 01:20:51.479
expensive and you hire one airplane and they

01:20:51.479 --> 01:20:53.600
fly over the fields. They saturate the entire

01:20:53.600 --> 01:20:56.460
landscape with glyphosate. Everything dies except

01:20:56.460 --> 01:21:00.229
the Roundup Ready corn. And within a couple of

01:21:00.229 --> 01:21:04.729
years, Roundup Ready corn was now 90 % of the

01:21:04.729 --> 01:21:07.729
corn, 95 % of the corn in the United States is

01:21:07.729 --> 01:21:13.510
now Roundup Ready corn. And then they developed

01:21:13.510 --> 01:21:18.289
it for soybean and for barley, for sorghum, for

01:21:18.289 --> 01:21:21.210
a lot of other plants. But it was still being

01:21:21.210 --> 01:21:28.909
applied early in the season. Around 2006, they

01:21:28.909 --> 01:21:31.689
discovered that if you sprayed it on wheat late

01:21:31.689 --> 01:21:33.729
in the season, it would desiccate the wheat.

01:21:33.850 --> 01:21:36.810
In other words, it would dry it out. And one

01:21:36.810 --> 01:21:39.550
of the big losses for farmers is wheat is if

01:21:39.550 --> 01:21:43.250
it rains during the harvest season, you can't

01:21:43.250 --> 01:21:46.350
harvest it because it gets moldy. And so if you

01:21:46.350 --> 01:21:48.310
can spray a desiccant on it and dries it out

01:21:48.310 --> 01:21:50.810
and kills it, you can harvest it right away and

01:21:50.810 --> 01:21:54.430
it won't get moldy. So all the wheat in our country

01:21:54.430 --> 01:21:56.989
started being sprayed that year in 2006 with

01:21:56.989 --> 01:21:59.029
glyphosate. And that's the year you saw this

01:21:59.029 --> 01:22:02.750
explosion of celiac diseases and, you know, gluten

01:22:02.750 --> 01:22:05.250
allergies and all of this stuff that people,

01:22:05.350 --> 01:22:08.229
you know, you may have noticed around then. But

01:22:08.229 --> 01:22:11.270
they also did. The first time they were, excuse

01:22:11.270 --> 01:22:14.130
me, the first time they're spraying it directly

01:22:14.130 --> 01:22:16.649
on food. Because it used to be they were spraying

01:22:16.649 --> 01:22:21.010
it early in the season. And it would wash off

01:22:21.010 --> 01:22:23.510
and the corn would get higher than the weeds

01:22:23.510 --> 01:22:25.550
and you wouldn't have to do it. But now they're

01:22:25.550 --> 01:22:27.390
spraying it directly on our food. Sorry, Joe.

01:22:27.470 --> 01:22:33.449
Go ahead. No, it's okay. So when they started

01:22:33.449 --> 01:22:37.770
doing this, there's a direct result? Like you

01:22:37.770 --> 01:22:40.270
can see the increase in celiac disease? You can

01:22:40.270 --> 01:22:42.970
see – is this like documented? Well, no. These

01:22:42.970 --> 01:22:48.079
are – No, that's not documented. But there's

01:22:48.079 --> 01:22:51.739
a whole range of diseases that are now, you know,

01:22:51.739 --> 01:22:55.539
that people are, that different levels of science

01:22:55.539 --> 01:22:59.460
have linked to glyphosate exposure. Here's the

01:22:59.460 --> 01:23:04.039
thing. When you litigate, when you're suing somebody

01:23:04.039 --> 01:23:08.380
for a chemical exposure, you have to go through

01:23:08.380 --> 01:23:13.399
a threshold called the Daubert hearing. And the

01:23:13.399 --> 01:23:17.300
Dalbert hearing is a hearing that says, is there

01:23:17.300 --> 01:23:21.039
sufficient science that it's now considered kind

01:23:21.039 --> 01:23:25.720
of mainstream that we can show this to a jury?

01:23:25.760 --> 01:23:27.880
And the judge has to make that decision because

01:23:27.880 --> 01:23:30.479
the judge doesn't want people saying, you know,

01:23:30.479 --> 01:23:37.439
coming in and saying, you know. loud noises made

01:23:37.439 --> 01:23:41.140
me crazy. Right. Right. There has to be before.

01:23:41.239 --> 01:23:43.739
And then a good attorney might be able to convince

01:23:43.739 --> 01:23:46.739
a jury that, yeah, this my client got crazy because

01:23:46.739 --> 01:23:50.159
he heard a loud noise. So the judge needs to

01:23:50.159 --> 01:23:52.680
make a threshold decision about whether there's

01:23:52.680 --> 01:23:54.680
sufficient science to show a jury. And that is

01:23:54.680 --> 01:23:58.779
a very high threshold of all of the diseases

01:23:58.779 --> 01:24:01.140
that are probably caused, probably almost certainly

01:24:01.140 --> 01:24:04.619
caused by glyphosate. The only one to pass that

01:24:04.619 --> 01:24:10.380
threshold was the case that we brought for non

01:24:10.380 --> 01:24:13.880
-Hodgkin's lymphoma. So at that point, we had

01:24:13.880 --> 01:24:16.359
enough rat studies, enough human studies. We

01:24:16.359 --> 01:24:19.819
had about 10 of each. And we were able to go

01:24:19.819 --> 01:24:23.000
to the judge and say, we got enough science on

01:24:23.000 --> 01:24:27.079
this now to show that non -Hodgkin's lymphoma

01:24:27.079 --> 01:24:29.659
is being caused by glyphosate. So those were

01:24:29.659 --> 01:24:33.409
the only cases we brought. The other thing, but

01:24:33.409 --> 01:24:36.930
there are a lot of, you know, really interesting

01:24:36.930 --> 01:24:41.289
studies that show links between injuries to children

01:24:41.289 --> 01:24:44.750
and the amount of glyphosate in a woman's urine

01:24:44.750 --> 01:24:47.529
and the mother's urine, you know, including a

01:24:47.529 --> 01:24:53.430
lot of, including sexual development. It's an

01:24:53.430 --> 01:24:59.369
endocrine disruptor. So, you know. Similar to

01:24:59.369 --> 01:25:02.800
phthalates? Phthalates are an endocrine disruptor,

01:25:02.800 --> 01:25:05.319
probably the most disturbing endocrine disruptor.

01:25:05.359 --> 01:25:06.960
And this is something we should all be looking

01:25:06.960 --> 01:25:11.020
at is atrazine. Yeah. Because atrazine, which

01:25:11.020 --> 01:25:14.840
is now ubiquitous, it's everywhere. But you can

01:25:14.840 --> 01:25:18.800
take atrazine and, you know, what is his name?

01:25:18.819 --> 01:25:24.079
Jamie. Jamie. Young Jamie. You can look up this

01:25:24.079 --> 01:25:26.680
study. I think the scientist's name is Tyler,

01:25:26.840 --> 01:25:28.880
I think. And that might be his first or second

01:25:28.880 --> 01:25:33.720
name. But they took atrazine and they put it

01:25:33.720 --> 01:25:39.760
in a tank with 40 frogs for three years. They

01:25:39.760 --> 01:25:43.159
put it below the exposure levels that EPA considers

01:25:43.159 --> 01:25:47.319
acceptable to humans. And 30 of those frogs,

01:25:47.520 --> 01:25:50.000
they were all male frogs, and they were double

01:25:50.000 --> 01:25:52.779
Z, you know, male frogs, so they were super males.

01:25:53.619 --> 01:25:56.420
And 30 of those frogs were chemically castrated.

01:25:56.880 --> 01:25:59.949
Four of them turned into females. and produce

01:25:59.949 --> 01:26:03.729
fertile eggs. So they took male frogs, gave them

01:26:03.729 --> 01:26:07.130
atrazine, 10 % of them turned into female and

01:26:07.130 --> 01:26:10.810
produced fertile eggs. And we're subjecting our

01:26:10.810 --> 01:26:15.210
children to exposure to that every day. What

01:26:15.210 --> 01:26:18.289
is atrazine? It's in the water. It's a pesticide.

01:26:19.850 --> 01:26:22.869
Here it is. Report toxic herbicide found in many

01:26:22.869 --> 01:26:26.329
Texans drinking water. That's it. That's from

01:26:26.329 --> 01:26:30.550
2018, November 20th. And, you know, what does

01:26:30.550 --> 01:26:33.449
this do to sexual development in children? Nobody

01:26:33.449 --> 01:26:38.029
knows. We know what it does to frogs. Yeah. But,

01:26:38.130 --> 01:26:41.210
you know, nobody knows what that does to, you

01:26:41.210 --> 01:26:43.289
know, what it's doing. Those kind of persistent

01:26:43.289 --> 01:26:48.390
exposures would do to our children. Yeah. It's

01:26:48.390 --> 01:26:53.029
terrifying. So atrazine, microplastics, all those

01:26:53.029 --> 01:26:55.010
things are having an effect, a similar effect

01:26:55.010 --> 01:27:00.170
on. Reproductive systems. Yes. Yeah, we had Dr.

01:27:00.430 --> 01:27:02.609
Shanna Swan, who wrote that book, Countdown,

01:27:02.710 --> 01:27:05.250
that's all about this, about the declining fertility

01:27:05.250 --> 01:27:08.609
rates, the higher rates of miscarriage with women.

01:27:08.869 --> 01:27:17.170
Yeah. What has this been like for you? Because

01:27:17.170 --> 01:27:22.430
up until those women came to see you speak, your

01:27:22.430 --> 01:27:28.670
life had been... I mean, obviously, you went

01:27:28.670 --> 01:27:31.289
through a lot with your father being assassinated,

01:27:31.390 --> 01:27:34.069
with your uncle being assassinated, you being

01:27:34.069 --> 01:27:39.449
a part of this very public, both in service and

01:27:39.449 --> 01:27:43.649
in just being famous family. And then you take

01:27:43.649 --> 01:27:46.670
on this thing and even members of your own family

01:27:46.670 --> 01:27:50.369
sort of disavowed your opinions and attacked

01:27:50.369 --> 01:27:55.780
you for it. And what I find remarkable. genuinely

01:27:55.780 --> 01:27:59.439
is the way you have been able to communicate

01:27:59.439 --> 01:28:03.739
with people who approach you with this erroneous

01:28:03.739 --> 01:28:07.100
idea of what you stand for and that you can just

01:28:07.100 --> 01:28:10.100
rationally have a conversation with them and

01:28:10.100 --> 01:28:11.619
saying if I'm wrong I'd like you to tell me where

01:28:11.619 --> 01:28:15.020
I'm wrong and those conversations are fascinating

01:28:15.020 --> 01:28:17.479
it's because people will just want to shut you

01:28:17.479 --> 01:28:18.979
down they just want to stop talking about it

01:28:18.979 --> 01:28:22.500
if they don't want to give you the time like

01:28:22.500 --> 01:28:26.659
like you just had to to lay all this out it's

01:28:26.659 --> 01:28:28.399
a thing people don't want to believe what is

01:28:28.399 --> 01:28:30.939
that like to be a person who carries around a

01:28:30.939 --> 01:28:33.699
thing that people don't want to believe but that

01:28:33.699 --> 01:28:40.520
seems to be true um uh first of all i want to

01:28:40.520 --> 01:28:44.319
say this that that what you let me do just now

01:28:45.369 --> 01:28:47.789
Which probably lost a lot of your listeners because

01:28:47.789 --> 01:28:51.170
nobody wants to listen to. No, no, no. I do not

01:28:51.170 --> 01:28:53.350
think that's true at all. But I'm so grateful

01:28:53.350 --> 01:28:56.430
to you because, you know, for 18 years, nobody's

01:28:56.430 --> 01:28:59.229
let me do that. I mean, actually, Jon Stewart

01:28:59.229 --> 01:29:04.829
let me do that in 2005. And you can go look at

01:29:04.829 --> 01:29:10.680
his. And Scarborough, Joe Scarborough, in 2005

01:29:10.680 --> 01:29:13.159
when my article came out, and that was it. And

01:29:13.159 --> 01:29:18.020
they immediately, a week later, were disavowing

01:29:18.020 --> 01:29:22.180
me. And you've been like a hero. I mean, you're

01:29:22.180 --> 01:29:24.340
an institution that's kind of a critical institution

01:29:24.340 --> 01:29:31.520
of this era because you... You've allowed – you've

01:29:31.520 --> 01:29:33.539
maintained this little island of free speech

01:29:33.539 --> 01:29:38.760
in a desert of suppression and of critical thinking,

01:29:38.960 --> 01:29:41.939
which is – you've been a champion of critical

01:29:41.939 --> 01:29:46.579
thinking. My uncle – my aunt Jackie met my uncle,

01:29:46.720 --> 01:29:52.399
Jack John Kennedy. He was a senator and a confirmed

01:29:52.399 --> 01:29:57.010
bachelor. And she was a – She was a reporter,

01:29:57.090 --> 01:29:59.189
a journalist, and she did this kind of man on

01:29:59.189 --> 01:30:01.909
the street interviews with people, these kind

01:30:01.909 --> 01:30:05.510
of quick kind of interview. And she asked him

01:30:05.510 --> 01:30:09.909
what his best quality was. And she expected him

01:30:09.909 --> 01:30:12.550
to say courage because he'd been a war hero and

01:30:12.550 --> 01:30:15.289
he had written a book and run a Pulitzer Prize

01:30:15.289 --> 01:30:19.390
for profiles and courage. But the answer that

01:30:19.390 --> 01:30:23.779
he gave her was curiosity. And I think that is

01:30:23.779 --> 01:30:26.000
the quality that made him a great president because

01:30:26.000 --> 01:30:28.060
he was able to put himself in other people's

01:30:28.060 --> 01:30:31.479
shoes. He had a level of empathy about other

01:30:31.479 --> 01:30:34.079
humans where he was always thinking about what

01:30:34.079 --> 01:30:36.819
it would be like. Why would people do things

01:30:36.819 --> 01:30:41.859
and act in certain ways, including Khrushchev

01:30:41.859 --> 01:30:46.140
and Castro? And when he had conversations and

01:30:46.140 --> 01:30:50.300
exchanges with those people. he was able to put

01:30:50.300 --> 01:30:52.699
himself in their shoes. And actually his most

01:30:52.699 --> 01:30:57.140
important speech was the speech he gave 60 years

01:30:57.140 --> 01:31:04.239
ago, three days ago. It was June 10th of 1963.

01:31:05.920 --> 01:31:08.520
And it was the speech at American University

01:31:08.520 --> 01:31:13.920
about trying to persuade Americans to change

01:31:13.920 --> 01:31:16.439
their minds because they were universally against.

01:31:17.579 --> 01:31:20.739
the nuclear atmospheric test ban treaty that

01:31:20.739 --> 01:31:22.819
he was trying to push. And that speech turned

01:31:22.819 --> 01:31:24.819
the country around. It was one of the most important,

01:31:24.920 --> 01:31:28.899
impactful speeches in history. And in that speech,

01:31:28.899 --> 01:31:31.539
he told Americans what it was like to be Russian.

01:31:31.720 --> 01:31:34.760
It was the strangest speech. And, you know, because

01:31:34.760 --> 01:31:38.500
I was raised and most Americans of that era were

01:31:38.500 --> 01:31:42.010
raised thinking that we won World War II. And

01:31:42.010 --> 01:31:44.210
he said to them, you know, we believe this. I

01:31:44.210 --> 01:31:46.710
was watching combat Vic Morrow with combat, you

01:31:46.710 --> 01:31:49.810
know, every week with my brothers. It was all

01:31:49.810 --> 01:31:51.750
about how the Americans won. And he said, that's

01:31:51.750 --> 01:31:54.130
not what happened. The Russians won the war and

01:31:54.130 --> 01:31:57.729
they paid in a way that no nation should ever

01:31:57.729 --> 01:32:00.710
have to pay. One in every seven Russians died,

01:32:00.949 --> 01:32:05.310
you know, at Hitler's hands. And a third of the

01:32:05.310 --> 01:32:08.329
Russians, he said, imagine if America, every

01:32:08.329 --> 01:32:10.970
city and every building was leveled from the

01:32:10.970 --> 01:32:13.789
East Coast to Chicago. That's what happened to

01:32:13.789 --> 01:32:18.130
Russia. And he was telling Americans, you know,

01:32:18.189 --> 01:32:23.029
they're not evil. They're having a rational reaction.

01:32:23.369 --> 01:32:25.449
When they develop a nuclear problem, they don't

01:32:25.449 --> 01:32:27.890
want to be invaded again. And we have to somehow

01:32:27.890 --> 01:32:31.039
make them feel safe. If we're going to have peace

01:32:31.039 --> 01:32:33.579
in this world, it was just a beautiful, beautiful

01:32:33.579 --> 01:32:38.520
speech. And it came, I think, because he had

01:32:38.520 --> 01:32:40.979
that gift of curiosity. And, you know, you have

01:32:40.979 --> 01:32:44.819
that. And I think and you have this love for

01:32:44.819 --> 01:32:48.119
critical thinking and this admiration. You have

01:32:48.119 --> 01:32:50.579
this parade of people on here, you know, like

01:32:50.579 --> 01:32:53.100
the Weinsteins and all these other people who

01:32:53.100 --> 01:32:57.619
are thinking out of the box and who are not subsumed

01:32:57.619 --> 01:33:01.119
in. orthodoxies, but are able to break away from

01:33:01.119 --> 01:33:06.899
those orthodoxies and see the humanity in everybody

01:33:06.899 --> 01:33:09.439
and everything. And it's beautiful. So I think

01:33:09.439 --> 01:33:12.739
when the history of this time is written, you

01:33:12.739 --> 01:33:17.159
will have the role that you played in it. And

01:33:17.159 --> 01:33:19.439
if we manage to get our way out of this kind

01:33:19.439 --> 01:33:21.640
of totalitarian trajectory, I think a lot of

01:33:21.640 --> 01:33:26.979
that will be because of what you did. In answer

01:33:26.979 --> 01:33:30.500
to your question, this is a roundabout answer.

01:33:30.779 --> 01:33:33.619
About a week before, no, about two weeks before

01:33:33.619 --> 01:33:38.220
he died, my father gave me a book. And the book

01:33:38.220 --> 01:33:42.279
was a book by Camus, who was one of his favorite

01:33:42.279 --> 01:33:45.779
writers. My father, after my uncle's death. went

01:33:45.779 --> 01:33:48.720
through a period of kind of reassessment of his

01:33:48.720 --> 01:33:51.500
own sort of relationship with God and with the

01:33:51.500 --> 01:33:53.800
Catholic Church and religion. And he never rejected

01:33:53.800 --> 01:33:56.640
the Catholic Church. He always embraced it. But

01:33:56.640 --> 01:33:59.260
he began to look for meaning in other areas,

01:33:59.319 --> 01:34:03.199
in poetry and Shakespeare and particularly in

01:34:03.199 --> 01:34:08.359
the existentialists. And one of the existentialists

01:34:08.359 --> 01:34:11.939
was Camus. And Camus had written this book called

01:34:11.939 --> 01:34:15.500
The Plague. My father gave it to me and he told

01:34:15.500 --> 01:34:18.359
me with this kind of peculiar intensity, I want

01:34:18.359 --> 01:34:22.000
you to read this. And he had given me, he always

01:34:22.000 --> 01:34:24.579
gave me stuff to read and poetry and stuff. But

01:34:24.579 --> 01:34:29.460
he said this with this directness that after

01:34:29.460 --> 01:34:32.060
he died, I ended up reading that book about three

01:34:32.060 --> 01:34:34.479
times trying to figure out kind of what the message

01:34:34.479 --> 01:34:37.060
was that he was, you know, he was trying to give

01:34:37.060 --> 01:34:47.100
me. a city in North Africa where there is an

01:34:47.100 --> 01:34:49.859
unnamed plague ravaging the city. It's a walled

01:34:49.859 --> 01:34:53.779
city and it's quarantined. And the plague is

01:34:53.779 --> 01:34:57.420
something nobody's ever seen before. And most

01:34:57.420 --> 01:34:59.619
of the people who get it are dying. It's a huge

01:34:59.619 --> 01:35:03.399
infection fatality rate. And a lot of the book,

01:35:03.479 --> 01:35:06.420
the beginning, is this conversation the doctor

01:35:06.420 --> 01:35:09.779
is having to himself as he's locked in his room.

01:35:10.220 --> 01:35:14.430
And he's trying to say, I don't want to go out

01:35:14.430 --> 01:35:16.170
there because if I go out there, I'm going to

01:35:16.170 --> 01:35:18.449
catch it. And I can't really help these people

01:35:18.449 --> 01:35:21.390
anyway because we don't know anything about this

01:35:21.390 --> 01:35:24.270
disease. We don't know how to treat it. And everybody

01:35:24.270 --> 01:35:27.449
gets to die. So why don't I just stay here and

01:35:27.449 --> 01:35:32.050
wait it out? And then in the end, he ends up

01:35:32.050 --> 01:35:37.689
leaving. And he ends up just comforting people.

01:35:43.179 --> 01:35:46.619
Camus was an existentialist, which are kind of

01:35:46.619 --> 01:35:51.819
the legates of the Greek and Roman tradition

01:35:51.819 --> 01:35:55.960
of Stoicism. And what he was saying about this

01:35:55.960 --> 01:36:01.020
doctor is the doctor had brought order to the

01:36:01.020 --> 01:36:03.939
chaos of this, what was happening in the city.

01:36:05.009 --> 01:36:09.329
by doing his own duty and going out and being

01:36:09.329 --> 01:36:11.869
of service to other people, even a great sacrifice

01:36:11.869 --> 01:36:17.670
to himself. And the kind of the iconic hero of

01:36:17.670 --> 01:36:22.989
Stoicism is Sisyphus. And Sisyphus is condemned

01:36:22.989 --> 01:36:25.609
by the gods because he does a good deed for humanity

01:36:25.609 --> 01:36:30.810
for eternity to push a rock up a hill. And then

01:36:30.810 --> 01:36:32.510
when he gets to the top of the hill of the boulder,

01:36:32.689 --> 01:36:35.550
he can never get it over the top. It always rolls

01:36:35.550 --> 01:36:38.270
back down and on top of him and kind of mangles

01:36:38.270 --> 01:36:41.390
him. And then he goes up and does it again. But

01:36:41.390 --> 01:36:46.850
in the stoic cosmology, Sisyphus is a happy man

01:36:46.850 --> 01:36:51.449
because he put his shoulder to the stone. He

01:36:51.449 --> 01:36:56.029
was given a duty and he does his duty. And that

01:36:56.029 --> 01:37:01.699
sacrifice that he makes, brings order to a chaotic

01:37:01.699 --> 01:37:04.359
universe. And, you know, we're all living in

01:37:04.359 --> 01:37:08.000
a kind of chaotic universe. So for me to have

01:37:08.000 --> 01:37:10.600
kind of a concrete task that I know is right,

01:37:10.720 --> 01:37:14.239
you know, and I'm open to criticism. I have a

01:37:14.239 --> 01:37:17.060
critical mind. If somebody shows me where I got

01:37:17.060 --> 01:37:19.939
it wrong, I'll change. I'm not dug in. I'm not

01:37:19.939 --> 01:37:23.220
hardheaded in that sense. But until somebody

01:37:23.220 --> 01:37:25.000
shows me that, I'm going to try to help these

01:37:25.000 --> 01:37:27.840
children. And, you know, and I feel like it's

01:37:27.840 --> 01:37:31.649
a gift. So and the more people he abuse on me,

01:37:31.770 --> 01:37:35.850
the more the bigger the gift is in some way.

01:37:36.189 --> 01:37:39.310
Was the book The Real Anthony Fauci, was that

01:37:39.310 --> 01:37:42.630
the first time? And because it happened during

01:37:42.630 --> 01:37:45.890
the pandemic, that was the first time I noticed

01:37:45.890 --> 01:37:48.409
a break in the narrative where more people were

01:37:48.409 --> 01:37:51.670
paying attention to you and people weren't dismissing

01:37:51.670 --> 01:37:54.409
you as easily anymore. And the book itself was

01:37:54.409 --> 01:37:57.539
a critical hit. Yeah, the book sold a million

01:37:57.539 --> 01:38:01.359
copies, I think, in three months. With no reviews.

01:38:01.979 --> 01:38:05.619
And with a lot of, you know, I mean, really people

01:38:05.619 --> 01:38:07.460
going out of there, the mainstream corporate

01:38:07.460 --> 01:38:11.060
media going out of its way to ignore it. And

01:38:11.060 --> 01:38:13.359
how many copies did it sell? It sold a million

01:38:13.359 --> 01:38:16.859
copies in three months. And then it sold, you

01:38:16.859 --> 01:38:18.600
know, since then, I don't know how many, but

01:38:18.600 --> 01:38:22.079
it's continued to kind of hover up, you know,

01:38:22.100 --> 01:38:27.489
in the top, you know, 100. on Amazon. Most of

01:38:27.489 --> 01:38:29.149
the booksellers wouldn't sell it. Like the independent

01:38:29.149 --> 01:38:32.710
booksellers, Barnes & Noble, took it out of most

01:38:32.710 --> 01:38:34.569
of their stores. They wouldn't sell it in most

01:38:34.569 --> 01:38:37.069
of their stores. And the independent booksellers

01:38:37.069 --> 01:38:39.529
almost all boycotted it. The only place you could

01:38:39.529 --> 01:38:45.449
really reliably get it was Amazon. It was odd

01:38:45.449 --> 01:38:47.890
because those are people who are usually against

01:38:47.890 --> 01:38:53.779
censorship. And yet they were – all of this weird

01:38:53.779 --> 01:38:55.840
stuff happened with the censorship then where

01:38:55.840 --> 01:39:01.439
people – I know you consider yourself a liberal

01:39:01.439 --> 01:39:06.920
and most – as do I. What it means to be a liberal

01:39:06.920 --> 01:39:12.100
has changed in a lot of ways. And it is – it's

01:39:12.100 --> 01:39:15.189
not – about the social issues as much as it is

01:39:15.189 --> 01:39:19.310
about this uh subscribing to whatever the orthodoxy

01:39:19.310 --> 01:39:22.310
or whatever the ideology preaches and it seems

01:39:22.310 --> 01:39:25.090
like when it comes to things like vaccines like

01:39:25.090 --> 01:39:27.869
that is something you never question and this

01:39:27.869 --> 01:39:30.250
is the the name that shall not be uttered yeah

01:39:30.250 --> 01:39:32.810
yeah and and when you start questioning things

01:39:32.810 --> 01:39:35.890
people get angry at you they don't want to hear

01:39:35.890 --> 01:39:38.850
it they don't want to talk about it unless they

01:39:38.850 --> 01:39:41.350
know someone has been injured And when that happens,

01:39:41.430 --> 01:39:44.029
generally people have an open mind and they start

01:39:44.029 --> 01:39:46.050
to change. And I think so many people know so

01:39:46.050 --> 01:39:49.590
many people that have been injured now that they're

01:39:49.590 --> 01:39:51.750
a little more critical. And then shows like Dope

01:39:51.750 --> 01:39:54.590
Sick and then all these different articles where

01:39:54.590 --> 01:39:57.130
you see like the Sackler family bought off immunity.

01:39:57.489 --> 01:40:00.670
They can't get prosecuted. They gave up like

01:40:00.670 --> 01:40:03.770
$6 billion out of how many whatever billions

01:40:03.770 --> 01:40:06.770
they made selling these things that they knew

01:40:06.770 --> 01:40:12.430
absolutely to be addictive. There's enough people

01:40:12.430 --> 01:40:14.470
now that feel duped that they're willing to open

01:40:14.470 --> 01:40:16.189
their mind. There's still some people that are

01:40:16.189 --> 01:40:18.430
dug in, and that's what's going to be interesting

01:40:18.430 --> 01:40:22.949
about this. It is interesting because it's unclear

01:40:22.949 --> 01:40:24.869
to me. If you want some tea, we've got a cup

01:40:24.869 --> 01:40:31.029
right there. Yeah. It's unclear to me how an

01:40:31.029 --> 01:40:35.199
orthodoxy unravels. Yeah. You know, because,

01:40:35.420 --> 01:40:37.859
I mean, Mark Twain said it. I think it was Mark

01:40:37.859 --> 01:40:41.340
Twain. Yeah, he said it. That it's easier to

01:40:41.340 --> 01:40:44.539
fool somebody than to persuade. It's easier to

01:40:44.539 --> 01:40:46.319
fool a man than to persuade him that he's been

01:40:46.319 --> 01:40:50.479
fooled. Once they swallow, they don't want to

01:40:50.479 --> 01:40:54.579
relinquish it because. Ego. Yeah, ego. Or it

01:40:54.579 --> 01:40:57.720
just threatens their, you know, their worldview.

01:40:57.920 --> 01:41:00.239
And there's so many things that are threatening

01:41:00.239 --> 01:41:03.560
about believing. The counter -narrative that,

01:41:03.619 --> 01:41:07.859
you know, you and I now are seeing, because then

01:41:07.859 --> 01:41:10.859
can I trust my doctor? Can I trust, you know,

01:41:10.880 --> 01:41:13.979
the authorities? Can I trust my country and all

01:41:13.979 --> 01:41:17.720
of that? And it's really the entire cosmology

01:41:17.720 --> 01:41:21.680
around which we've kind of, you know, weaved

01:41:21.680 --> 01:41:24.260
and constructed our lives. The whole foundations

01:41:24.260 --> 01:41:26.420
are you have to start questioning everything,

01:41:26.619 --> 01:41:29.020
and most people don't want to do that. It's just,

01:41:29.060 --> 01:41:32.539
it's... I think it's terrifying, and I understand

01:41:32.539 --> 01:41:36.819
that. I see it in my family. Yeah. It's certainly

01:41:36.819 --> 01:41:40.359
bizarre. It's bizarre to witness. It's bizarre

01:41:40.359 --> 01:41:43.699
to witness because I've witnessed it with people

01:41:43.699 --> 01:41:49.359
that I was a fan of intellectually. And then

01:41:49.359 --> 01:41:51.859
all of a sudden I'm seeing them buy into this,

01:41:51.920 --> 01:41:54.520
and then I see these telltale signs of them not

01:41:54.520 --> 01:41:58.930
willing to adjust. with new data, with new information,

01:41:59.069 --> 01:42:01.470
and understanding that they've been duped and

01:42:01.470 --> 01:42:03.470
still digging their heels in because they've

01:42:03.470 --> 01:42:05.789
already defended themselves once, so now they

01:42:05.789 --> 01:42:07.890
defend themselves. Now they double down, and

01:42:07.890 --> 01:42:10.750
now they seek out all these. I've seen people

01:42:10.750 --> 01:42:13.529
defend the natural spillover hypothesis, which

01:42:13.529 --> 01:42:16.289
at this point seems kind of ridiculous. And Michael

01:42:16.289 --> 01:42:18.069
Schellenberger actually just published something

01:42:18.069 --> 01:42:21.050
today about that where there's even more evidence

01:42:21.050 --> 01:42:24.409
that it was from the very lab that they think

01:42:24.409 --> 01:42:28.220
it's from. Yeah. Yeah. Well, those conversations

01:42:28.220 --> 01:42:31.199
to the email conversations after it was it happened.

01:42:31.420 --> 01:42:34.000
And then the conversations with Fauci and Rand

01:42:34.000 --> 01:42:37.579
Paul were furiating. Those were infuriating.

01:42:37.800 --> 01:42:41.859
They were so crazy. Senator, you do not know

01:42:41.859 --> 01:42:45.920
what you are talking about. This appeal appeal

01:42:45.920 --> 01:42:49.840
to authority, this trying to diminish what he's

01:42:49.840 --> 01:42:53.760
saying when what he's saying is what. People

01:42:53.760 --> 01:42:55.359
have been quietly saying that understood what

01:42:55.359 --> 01:43:00.920
was going on. But, I mean, you, I mean, did you

01:43:00.920 --> 01:43:02.840
lose friendships, like, personally? Yeah, but

01:43:02.840 --> 01:43:05.880
that was okay. What? Not much. No one I really

01:43:05.880 --> 01:43:08.739
liked. Yeah, it was. Did you just discover that

01:43:08.739 --> 01:43:11.600
you didn't like them? No, I just, I knew there

01:43:11.600 --> 01:43:14.239
was a lot of cowards. I knew. I had, like, casual

01:43:14.239 --> 01:43:17.199
relationships with some cowards. And some of

01:43:17.199 --> 01:43:19.619
them attacked me. And I'm like, good, now I don't

01:43:19.619 --> 01:43:21.520
have to talk to you anymore. Got a lot of friends.

01:43:21.659 --> 01:43:25.060
I'm very happy. So for me, it was fine. And then

01:43:25.060 --> 01:43:29.000
most of my friends were comics, a lot of comics,

01:43:29.079 --> 01:43:32.359
and a lot of jiu -jitsu guys, very like -minded

01:43:32.359 --> 01:43:36.420
in their approach to this thing. They weren't

01:43:36.420 --> 01:43:38.279
really interested in becoming an experiment.

01:43:38.960 --> 01:43:41.500
And a lot of them, because they were touring

01:43:41.500 --> 01:43:42.939
a lot, and a lot of them because they were in

01:43:42.939 --> 01:43:45.739
clubs a lot, they were getting it. And they already

01:43:45.739 --> 01:43:49.359
had it. And so this idea that even after getting

01:43:49.359 --> 01:43:51.060
it and getting over it, that somehow or another

01:43:51.060 --> 01:43:53.659
they had to get injected and it didn't make any

01:43:53.659 --> 01:43:56.340
sense to them. They're like, why? Like this doesn't

01:43:56.340 --> 01:44:00.159
follow what even the studies are showing about

01:44:00.159 --> 01:44:05.039
natural immunity due to previous infection. Because

01:44:05.039 --> 01:44:07.720
they had a previous infection, they knew that

01:44:07.720 --> 01:44:10.000
there were supposedly at some point in time the

01:44:10.000 --> 01:44:12.060
studies were showing that it was seven times

01:44:12.060 --> 01:44:16.180
more effective. than getting a vaccine. And the

01:44:16.180 --> 01:44:18.680
vaccine, the effectiveness it was showing, it

01:44:18.680 --> 01:44:22.060
was very short. And even then, even after I got

01:44:22.060 --> 01:44:24.800
over COVID, I had people that I like, that I

01:44:24.800 --> 01:44:25.920
admire, they were telling me, you should get

01:44:25.920 --> 01:44:30.079
vaccinated now. I said, why? Make it make sense

01:44:30.079 --> 01:44:32.760
to me. Sanjay Gupta said that to me. I'm like,

01:44:32.819 --> 01:44:34.680
make it make sense to me. Why should I do it?

01:44:34.680 --> 01:44:37.000
Because you'd be even more protected. I go, I

01:44:37.000 --> 01:44:40.689
got over it quick. I made a video in three days

01:44:40.689 --> 01:44:43.750
and it looked too good. So CNN put a filter on

01:44:43.750 --> 01:44:46.890
it and made me look yellow on TV. Did you see

01:44:46.890 --> 01:44:50.630
that? No. You never saw that? No. I totally believe

01:44:50.630 --> 01:44:51.810
that. I'm going to show it to you just because

01:44:51.810 --> 01:44:53.829
it's so ridiculous. Just so you can see it. Because

01:44:53.829 --> 01:44:56.550
it's so ridiculous. Because three days later,

01:44:56.689 --> 01:44:59.550
I had one day where I felt like shit. The next

01:44:59.550 --> 01:45:02.250
day I felt better. And then the day after that,

01:45:02.289 --> 01:45:05.210
I make this video. And I was saying essentially

01:45:05.210 --> 01:45:06.909
that I had to cancel the shows that I was doing

01:45:06.909 --> 01:45:10.909
with Dave Chappelle that weekend. So that's the

01:45:10.909 --> 01:45:14.909
top one is the CNN version. And the bottom one

01:45:14.909 --> 01:45:18.090
is the real version. This is me outside in Texas.

01:45:18.350 --> 01:45:21.050
So it's nice and sunny out. And look what they

01:45:21.050 --> 01:45:23.529
did to my face. They made me look like I was

01:45:23.529 --> 01:45:27.750
ill. That looks like a cadaver. It's crazy what

01:45:27.750 --> 01:45:30.979
they did. It's very bizarre. But the fact that

01:45:30.979 --> 01:45:33.319
that's a news organization that did that is so

01:45:33.319 --> 01:45:36.020
terrifying because it's such a trivial thing.

01:45:36.119 --> 01:45:39.199
And that they concentrated on this one medication

01:45:39.199 --> 01:45:42.020
that my doctor prescribed for me, which was ivermectin.

01:45:42.560 --> 01:45:44.159
They didn't concentrate on all the other stuff

01:45:44.159 --> 01:45:46.319
that I took. They didn't concentrate on the Z

01:45:46.319 --> 01:45:48.560
-Pak. They didn't concentrate on the prednisone.

01:45:48.659 --> 01:45:52.340
They didn't concentrate on the monoclonal antibodies

01:45:52.340 --> 01:45:55.760
or the IV drip of vitamins that I did and NAD,

01:45:55.920 --> 01:45:58.819
the NAD plus cocktail. I did a lot of stuff.

01:45:59.060 --> 01:46:01.500
Yeah, I did all the same stuff. Yeah, and I got

01:46:01.500 --> 01:46:04.420
better quick. Yeah, me too. But no one cared

01:46:04.420 --> 01:46:06.840
that I got better. That was not the narrative.

01:46:06.880 --> 01:46:09.319
The narrative is like Joe Rogan is taking veterinary

01:46:09.319 --> 01:46:13.239
medication and then Rolling Stone. printed an

01:46:13.239 --> 01:46:17.039
article saying that these hospital emergency

01:46:17.039 --> 01:46:20.899
rooms were getting overrun with people overdosing

01:46:20.899 --> 01:46:24.899
on horse medication and gunshot victims had to

01:46:24.899 --> 01:46:27.239
wait in line. Well, first of all, how many people

01:46:27.239 --> 01:46:29.680
are getting gunshot in Oklahoma? What the fuck

01:46:29.680 --> 01:46:31.539
is going on? Yeah, and they're waiting in line.

01:46:31.579 --> 01:46:34.260
Also, when you're showing the line that they

01:46:34.260 --> 01:46:36.399
used for the graphic, it was people wearing winter

01:46:36.399 --> 01:46:42.050
coats. And it had nothing to do with that. Track

01:46:42.050 --> 01:46:44.149
down where that real photo came from. It had

01:46:44.149 --> 01:46:47.229
nothing to do with this fraud. But it's crazy

01:46:47.229 --> 01:46:50.430
that somehow or another that snuck through Rolling

01:46:50.430 --> 01:46:52.949
Stone. Well, Rolling Stone has made a big change.

01:46:53.090 --> 01:46:55.649
The guy who runs that now is a guy called Noah

01:46:55.649 --> 01:46:59.079
Schlackman. And I used to have a great relationship.

01:46:59.119 --> 01:47:02.859
You know, I grew up with Jan and his kids and

01:47:02.859 --> 01:47:05.300
stuff, and I published there a lot. But the guy

01:47:05.300 --> 01:47:08.000
who runs it now is a guy with deep connections

01:47:08.000 --> 01:47:10.359
to the intelligence community and, you know,

01:47:10.420 --> 01:47:15.199
is really deep, deep in the orthodox. It's not

01:47:15.199 --> 01:47:17.739
a counterculture magazine anymore. It's now a

01:47:17.739 --> 01:47:24.550
culture. You know, it's in the center. Oh, the

01:47:24.550 --> 01:47:26.569
one thing I wanted to mention to you, you know,

01:47:26.569 --> 01:47:28.850
one of the incredible studies that came out,

01:47:28.890 --> 01:47:32.149
which is not surprising, but the Cleveland Clinic

01:47:32.149 --> 01:47:34.789
study. Yeah, we talked about that recently. Okay.

01:47:35.489 --> 01:47:38.609
I think I read it. I could be wrong about this,

01:47:38.670 --> 01:47:40.850
but I just was reading the abstract for somebody

01:47:40.850 --> 01:47:43.970
the other day, and it looked like, I mean, what

01:47:43.970 --> 01:47:47.770
that study shows is that the vaccine gives you

01:47:47.770 --> 01:47:52.000
some protection for the first two months. But

01:47:52.000 --> 01:47:54.960
then it wanes precipitously and it wanes into

01:47:54.960 --> 01:47:58.560
negative efficacy after seven months. So in other

01:47:58.560 --> 01:48:00.920
words, if you got vaccine, you're more likely

01:48:00.920 --> 01:48:03.659
to get sick. It does the opposite. But this is

01:48:03.659 --> 01:48:05.939
what Fauci said at the very beginning. If you

01:48:05.939 --> 01:48:07.979
go back and look at his tapes, it could make

01:48:07.979 --> 01:48:11.939
you actually more susceptible. And that is exactly

01:48:11.939 --> 01:48:16.939
what it does. But what that study shows, the

01:48:16.939 --> 01:48:19.140
more vaccines you get, the more likely it is

01:48:19.140 --> 01:48:23.020
that you're going to get sick. And that the people

01:48:23.020 --> 01:48:27.380
who are most vaccinated have 3 .5 times the rate.

01:48:27.439 --> 01:48:29.479
And I could be wrong about this, but I think

01:48:29.479 --> 01:48:33.880
this was said 3 .5 times the risk of illness

01:48:33.880 --> 01:48:37.100
that that people who are unvaccinated. Oh, I

01:48:37.100 --> 01:48:40.539
mean, that's that's not a good profile for a

01:48:40.539 --> 01:48:43.720
medical product. No, it's not. We would have

01:48:43.720 --> 01:48:45.619
done better if they'd just given everybody vitamin

01:48:45.619 --> 01:48:48.029
D. But what I found was really fascinating. There

01:48:48.029 --> 01:48:50.109
was a lot of people after I got sick that wanted

01:48:50.109 --> 01:48:52.609
me to immediately get vaccinated to join the

01:48:52.609 --> 01:48:54.989
team. That's what it seemed like they wanted

01:48:54.989 --> 01:48:57.989
me to do. It seemed like there was a battle for

01:48:57.989 --> 01:49:01.970
some sort of ideological high ground. And they

01:49:01.970 --> 01:49:04.449
wanted me to say, wow, I should have gotten vaccinated.

01:49:04.550 --> 01:49:06.329
I'm like, look, I've had diseases that were worse

01:49:06.329 --> 01:49:08.310
than this. I've had the flu that was worse than

01:49:08.310 --> 01:49:12.010
this. But also, I'm aware of ways to treat certain.

01:49:13.069 --> 01:49:15.550
colds and flus and things, you can actually do

01:49:15.550 --> 01:49:18.850
things to improve your immune system. Yeah, exactly.

01:49:19.229 --> 01:49:23.369
Yeah. And also, you know, I had a maddening conversation

01:49:23.369 --> 01:49:27.789
with Peter Hotez once. Well, he's, that guy is,

01:49:27.810 --> 01:49:34.670
I mean, it's hard just watching a guy sit there

01:49:34.670 --> 01:49:38.930
and tell things that he's got to know are not

01:49:38.930 --> 01:49:42.340
true. I don't know if he knows they're not true,

01:49:42.420 --> 01:49:45.739
but he's a strange example. Because when I was

01:49:45.739 --> 01:49:48.260
talking to him, he's overweight. And I asked

01:49:48.260 --> 01:49:51.420
him, does he eat well? He doesn't. He's saying,

01:49:51.520 --> 01:49:54.239
you know, he likes junk food. He eats junk food

01:49:54.239 --> 01:49:57.300
too much. He doesn't exercise. He walks a little,

01:49:57.399 --> 01:49:59.899
he was saying. He doesn't take vitamins. And

01:49:59.899 --> 01:50:02.199
I was like, this is a crazy conversation. So

01:50:02.199 --> 01:50:06.819
you're advocating for this experimental mRNA

01:50:06.819 --> 01:50:13.100
vaccine technology. And. You don't even do anything

01:50:13.100 --> 01:50:17.199
else to improve your immune system. There's all

01:50:17.199 --> 01:50:19.720
the studies on vitamins, on whether it's vitamin

01:50:19.720 --> 01:50:24.020
C, vitamin D, exposure to sunlight increases

01:50:24.020 --> 01:50:26.340
your vitamin D as well. It's very good for the

01:50:26.340 --> 01:50:28.119
immune system. There's all these studies on this.

01:50:28.619 --> 01:50:30.920
There's plenty of studies on what happens to

01:50:30.920 --> 01:50:32.720
people when they're nutrient deficient as well.

01:50:33.140 --> 01:50:36.060
All of your systems are functioning incorrectly.

01:50:36.659 --> 01:50:39.500
And there's also studies on people that got administered

01:50:39.500 --> 01:50:42.109
to the ICU with COVID. that somewhere in the

01:50:42.109 --> 01:50:45.189
nation, those above 70 % were deficient in vitamin

01:50:45.189 --> 01:50:48.890
D. Yeah, I think it was over 90%. Yeah, it's...

01:50:50.100 --> 01:50:52.960
To have a conversation with someone who doesn't

01:50:52.960 --> 01:50:55.039
take vitamins and is telling you you have to

01:50:55.039 --> 01:50:57.359
take this medication, it's like, this is a crazy

01:50:57.359 --> 01:50:59.460
conversation because you know what health is.

01:50:59.680 --> 01:51:02.899
Metabolic health is a very nuanced thing, and

01:51:02.899 --> 01:51:04.479
there's a lot going on with it, and it has a

01:51:04.479 --> 01:51:06.439
lot to do with what you put in your body. It

01:51:06.439 --> 01:51:08.659
has a lot to do with the foods you consume. It

01:51:08.659 --> 01:51:10.699
has a lot to do with exercise and drinking water.

01:51:10.779 --> 01:51:12.300
It has a lot to do with your electrolyte balance.

01:51:12.460 --> 01:51:14.399
It has a lot to do with the nutrient content

01:51:14.399 --> 01:51:17.500
of your diet. So if you're not doing any of that.

01:51:18.060 --> 01:51:19.500
And you're telling everybody they got to get

01:51:19.500 --> 01:51:22.920
jabbed. This is a crazy conversation. Well, all

01:51:22.920 --> 01:51:27.680
that metadata that I was talking about in the

01:51:27.680 --> 01:51:31.560
Geyer study, you know, and it's really interesting

01:51:31.560 --> 01:51:33.739
that the graphs that go along with it, one of

01:51:33.739 --> 01:51:36.260
the, you know, the graphs, they go through each

01:51:36.260 --> 01:51:39.060
disease and they show when the disease was killing

01:51:39.060 --> 01:51:41.600
people. And then there's this huge decline and

01:51:41.600 --> 01:51:43.600
then it goes flat. So it's not killing anybody

01:51:43.600 --> 01:51:47.069
more than the vaccine is introduced. Yeah. And

01:51:47.069 --> 01:51:49.569
disease after disease after disease, the same

01:51:49.569 --> 01:51:53.369
thing happened. And it was it's all because people

01:51:53.369 --> 01:51:56.810
started getting better nutrition and their immune

01:51:56.810 --> 01:51:59.229
systems were OK. And if you look at the kids

01:51:59.229 --> 01:52:04.109
in Africa who die from measles or these other

01:52:04.109 --> 01:52:05.850
infectious disease, they're all malnourished.

01:52:05.970 --> 01:52:09.149
In fact, the only people really dying from measles

01:52:09.149 --> 01:52:11.770
in the 60s before they introduced the vaccines.

01:52:13.850 --> 01:52:16.250
The death rate had gone down to, like, from,

01:52:16.409 --> 01:52:19.109
you know, tens of thousands per year to, like,

01:52:19.229 --> 01:52:23.250
a couple of hundred a year. This was by 63, and

01:52:23.250 --> 01:52:27.029
they were all kids. Most of them were kids in

01:52:27.029 --> 01:52:30.789
the Mississippi Delta, black kids, severely malnourished,

01:52:30.869 --> 01:52:33.189
and they were dying of measles. And, you know,

01:52:33.210 --> 01:52:35.369
this was before the war on poverty, before my

01:52:35.369 --> 01:52:39.500
father visited Delta. And, you know, it's hard

01:52:39.500 --> 01:52:41.880
for a disease to kill a healthy person. It's

01:52:41.880 --> 01:52:44.199
hard for an infectious disease to kill a healthy

01:52:44.199 --> 01:52:46.380
person with a rugged immune system. Well, not

01:52:46.380 --> 01:52:49.079
the Spanish flu, though, right? Well, the Spanish

01:52:49.079 --> 01:52:54.680
flu was not a virus. And even Fauci now acknowledges

01:52:54.680 --> 01:52:57.220
that. And, you know, there's good evidence that

01:52:57.220 --> 01:53:01.260
the Spanish flu, there's, you know, not a definitive,

01:53:01.300 --> 01:53:04.729
but very, very strong evidence. The Spanish flu

01:53:04.729 --> 01:53:08.770
was vaccine -induced flu. The deaths were vaccine

01:53:08.770 --> 01:53:11.890
-induced. But originally they said it was a flu.

01:53:12.710 --> 01:53:15.289
But when they've gone back and actually they

01:53:15.289 --> 01:53:17.989
have all the samples from thousands of people,

01:53:18.029 --> 01:53:22.250
they died from bacteriological pneumonia. So

01:53:22.250 --> 01:53:24.649
they died as a consequence of something that

01:53:24.649 --> 01:53:27.569
you could cure today with antibiotics? Okay.

01:53:28.310 --> 01:53:32.560
So when we say – but they still – So what was

01:53:32.560 --> 01:53:34.520
their—so you're saying they had a compromised

01:53:34.520 --> 01:53:38.060
immune system already, but why— But a lot of

01:53:38.060 --> 01:53:40.659
the, you know, bacteriological illnesses can

01:53:40.659 --> 01:53:44.020
kill you. Yeah. It's that a lot of the viral

01:53:44.020 --> 01:53:47.760
illnesses, you know, if you're super healthy,

01:53:47.899 --> 01:53:49.779
it's pretty hard for them to kill you. I mean,

01:53:49.779 --> 01:53:51.880
and I'm just saying this not on an individual

01:53:51.880 --> 01:53:55.960
basis but on a population basis. If you look

01:53:55.960 --> 01:53:57.960
at populations that are well -nourished, you

01:53:57.960 --> 01:54:01.640
don't see— infectious disease mortalities anymore.

01:54:02.840 --> 01:54:05.779
And that's across, you know, I don't think anybody

01:54:05.779 --> 01:54:08.060
would argue with that. So what are you saying

01:54:08.060 --> 01:54:10.619
that the Spanish flu was? And, like, what is

01:54:10.619 --> 01:54:15.779
the documentation? Well, you know, I... You said

01:54:15.779 --> 01:54:18.260
that Fauci has publicly admitted that it's not

01:54:18.260 --> 01:54:22.859
a flu. Fauci wrote an article in 2008, and that,

01:54:22.939 --> 01:54:28.239
I'm pretty sure it's 2008. in which he acknowledged

01:54:28.239 --> 01:54:30.880
that it was not the flu that was killing those

01:54:30.880 --> 01:54:35.000
people. It was a bacteriological infection. And

01:54:35.000 --> 01:54:38.420
a bacteriological infection, these days, you

01:54:38.420 --> 01:54:42.100
could 100 % cure all of it with an antibiotic.

01:54:43.119 --> 01:54:46.979
But something was making them ill to make them

01:54:46.979 --> 01:54:48.880
vulnerable to the bacteriological infection?

01:54:48.899 --> 01:54:51.319
That's unclear. I read an article recently, and

01:54:51.319 --> 01:54:53.979
you can look up these articles pretty easily.

01:54:55.200 --> 01:54:59.140
But the article that I read made a very strong

01:54:59.140 --> 01:55:04.020
case that the illness came from testing a new

01:55:04.020 --> 01:55:07.779
vaccine in Kansas at a military base in Kansas.

01:55:07.979 --> 01:55:10.399
And again, I'm a little hazy on the details.

01:55:10.420 --> 01:55:12.300
But this is important to cover, right? So let's

01:55:12.300 --> 01:55:14.079
see if we can find this. Predominant role of

01:55:14.079 --> 01:55:15.960
bacteria and pneumonia as cause of death and

01:55:15.960 --> 01:55:20.340
pandemic influenza implications. Yeah, of pandemic

01:55:20.340 --> 01:55:23.880
influenza preparedness. So what this is saying

01:55:23.880 --> 01:55:26.180
is that bacterial pneumonia was the cause of

01:55:26.180 --> 01:55:30.819
death. But these people, obviously, they were

01:55:30.819 --> 01:55:33.300
saying that they were sick before this, correctly?

01:55:34.010 --> 01:55:36.949
Correct? Is that true? You know what? I shouldn't

01:55:36.949 --> 01:55:39.430
talk about this, Joe. Okay. I don't remember

01:55:39.430 --> 01:55:41.770
enough about it. Let's read what he says, the

01:55:41.770 --> 01:55:44.149
results. Postmortem samples were examined for

01:55:44.149 --> 01:55:46.109
people who died of influenza during the 1918

01:55:46.109 --> 01:55:50.189
to 1990, 1919 rather, uniformly exhibited severe

01:55:50.189 --> 01:55:54.789
changes indicative of bacterial pneumonia, bacteriologic

01:55:54.789 --> 01:56:00.250
and histopathologic results from published autopsy

01:56:00.250 --> 01:56:04.079
series. clearly and consistently implicated secondary

01:56:04.079 --> 01:56:08.300
bacterial pneumonia caused by common upper respiratory

01:56:08.300 --> 01:56:12.000
tract bacteria in most influenza fatalities.

01:56:12.239 --> 01:56:15.140
And some people have suggested that came from

01:56:15.140 --> 01:56:18.859
getting people to wear masks. Oh, Jesus. But,

01:56:18.859 --> 01:56:22.779
you know, I don't know. How would that be? That

01:56:22.779 --> 01:56:29.100
the mask became a media for bacteria. Conclusions.

01:56:29.100 --> 01:56:32.340
The majority of deaths from the 1918 -1919 influenza

01:56:32.340 --> 01:56:35.600
pandemic likely resulted directly from secondary

01:56:35.600 --> 01:56:39.760
bacterial pneumonia caused by common upper respiratory

01:56:39.760 --> 01:56:42.920
tract bacteria. Less substantial data from the

01:56:42.920 --> 01:56:48.279
subsequent 1957 and 1968 pandemic are consistent

01:56:48.279 --> 01:56:52.020
with these findings. If severe pandemic influenza

01:56:52.020 --> 01:56:57.960
is largely a problem of viral bacterial co -pathogenesis

01:56:57.960 --> 01:57:00.859
pandemic planning needs to go beyond addressing

01:57:00.859 --> 01:57:03.920
the viral cause alone example influenza vaccine

01:57:03.920 --> 01:57:06.039
vaccines and antiviral drugs that's hilarious

01:57:06.039 --> 01:57:09.439
prevention diagnosis prophylaxis and treatment

01:57:09.439 --> 01:57:12.300
of secondary bacterial pneumonia as well as stockpiling

01:57:12.300 --> 01:57:15.960
of antibiotics and bacterial vaccines should

01:57:15.960 --> 01:57:19.640
be high priorities for pandemic planning he didn't

01:57:19.640 --> 01:57:26.560
remember that yeah but um Let me ask you something

01:57:26.560 --> 01:57:30.140
that you were talking about before because you

01:57:30.140 --> 01:57:35.899
said a lot of the comedians, you know, were skeptical.

01:57:36.239 --> 01:57:39.880
But what I saw was the opposite. You know, I

01:57:39.880 --> 01:57:44.600
saw the comedians that should have been questioning

01:57:44.600 --> 01:57:49.220
everything, you know, that were sort of canceling.

01:57:49.720 --> 01:57:53.560
People who ask questions and including all the

01:57:53.560 --> 01:57:57.180
ones, you know, Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert,

01:57:57.300 --> 01:57:59.680
they kind of stop. I thought they stopped being

01:57:59.680 --> 01:58:03.119
funny because comedians are funny when they're

01:58:03.119 --> 01:58:06.239
ridiculing authority. And they all had to stop

01:58:06.239 --> 01:58:08.180
doing that. The only one I know out of that group

01:58:08.180 --> 01:58:10.300
is John. I know John. And John's a great guy.

01:58:10.439 --> 01:58:13.739
I have not talked to him. I talked to him in

01:58:13.739 --> 01:58:15.739
the middle of it all. I haven't talked to him

01:58:15.739 --> 01:58:17.840
since. But I thought it was hilarious when he

01:58:17.840 --> 01:58:19.779
was on Colbert and he was doing that routine.

01:58:19.779 --> 01:58:22.079
That was really good. Yeah. That was hilarious.

01:58:22.760 --> 01:58:27.140
I try to stay off Twitter because I generally

01:58:27.140 --> 01:58:29.359
think, especially when it comes to things like

01:58:29.359 --> 01:58:33.779
that are high anxiety subjects, whether it's

01:58:33.779 --> 01:58:37.279
climate change, the war in Ukraine or COVID.

01:58:38.199 --> 01:58:41.199
I think it facilitates mental illness. I think

01:58:41.199 --> 01:58:45.060
a lot of these people are – they fester on things

01:58:45.060 --> 01:58:49.180
and they have high anxiety. And when you subject

01:58:49.180 --> 01:58:51.279
them to being locked inside their home and you

01:58:51.279 --> 01:58:54.239
offer them only one way out and that way is this

01:58:54.239 --> 01:58:56.140
vaccine and they trust the science because they're

01:58:56.140 --> 01:58:57.899
smart people. Smart people trust the science.

01:58:58.039 --> 01:59:00.979
And they believe that we have to all be in this

01:59:00.979 --> 01:59:02.640
together and you're a good person if you go out

01:59:02.640 --> 01:59:04.640
and get vaccinated. So you show your picture

01:59:04.640 --> 01:59:06.760
on your little Instagram page, got vaccinated.

01:59:07.500 --> 01:59:09.100
Everybody knows you're a good person. And then

01:59:09.100 --> 01:59:11.300
there's this sort of feedback loop. And then

01:59:11.300 --> 01:59:13.359
they start attacking people that differ from

01:59:13.359 --> 01:59:15.140
this. And then they start, you know, calling

01:59:15.140 --> 01:59:17.239
you, my mother died from this or my grandmother

01:59:17.239 --> 01:59:19.680
died from this, as if you somehow or another

01:59:19.680 --> 01:59:21.619
did it, not the fucking people that did this.

01:59:22.569 --> 01:59:25.510
crazy research in Wuhan, China, and then lied

01:59:25.510 --> 01:59:29.949
about it. No one's mad at them. The same people

01:59:29.949 --> 01:59:32.210
who are mad at comedians for questioning it were

01:59:32.210 --> 01:59:34.729
applauding Fauci, even though there was all these

01:59:34.729 --> 01:59:37.869
clear conversations that showed that, yes, they

01:59:37.869 --> 01:59:41.310
were doing what we consider to be gain -of -function

01:59:41.310 --> 01:59:45.829
research there. Yes, the NIH funded this. Yes,

01:59:45.930 --> 01:59:49.510
this is all true. And when he's being confronted...

01:59:50.010 --> 01:59:53.250
By Rand Paul. And you see him like he's essentially

01:59:53.250 --> 01:59:56.930
just lying in front of the American people. And

01:59:56.930 --> 02:00:03.369
the same people that generally are these critical

02:00:03.369 --> 02:00:07.550
thinkers, they were so enamored by this narrative

02:00:07.550 --> 02:00:10.130
and then so captive by it and then also captive

02:00:10.130 --> 02:00:12.989
by their initial assertions. They're a prisoner

02:00:12.989 --> 02:00:15.630
of their initial statements on it. And they didn't

02:00:15.630 --> 02:00:17.470
want to say they were wrong. It took a lot of

02:00:17.470 --> 02:00:21.250
people a long time. To say I fucked up. That's

02:00:21.250 --> 02:00:23.449
not true. I was wrong. Has anybody actually said

02:00:23.449 --> 02:00:26.130
that? To me, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A good friend

02:00:26.130 --> 02:00:27.750
of mine. Yeah. Very good friend of mine who got

02:00:27.750 --> 02:00:29.930
really scared and got vaccinated and thought

02:00:29.930 --> 02:00:32.529
I was being an idiot. And then along the way

02:00:32.529 --> 02:00:35.810
started paying attention and got COVID really

02:00:35.810 --> 02:00:39.689
bad. And I helped him out and sent a nurse to

02:00:39.689 --> 02:00:44.350
them and got him IV vitamins. And it's just one

02:00:44.350 --> 02:00:47.699
of those things where it's a stress test. It's

02:00:47.699 --> 02:00:50.420
a stress test for people's character. It's a

02:00:50.420 --> 02:00:53.439
stress test for anxiety levels. It's a stress

02:00:53.439 --> 02:00:56.039
test for community bonds. It's a stress test

02:00:56.039 --> 02:00:58.680
for friendships. It's a stress test. And you

02:00:58.680 --> 02:01:00.380
get to see. You get to see what it was like.

02:01:01.039 --> 02:01:03.659
And I feel, honestly, even though I was in the

02:01:03.659 --> 02:01:06.420
center of it all, I felt very fortunate. Because

02:01:06.420 --> 02:01:09.039
I can have no questions about how it actually

02:01:09.039 --> 02:01:11.539
works, how the system actually works to go against

02:01:11.539 --> 02:01:13.560
people that are dissenters. I can have no questions

02:01:13.560 --> 02:01:15.819
because I was in the middle of it. I saw it.

02:01:15.819 --> 02:01:18.260
I saw it happen. I saw the CNN thing where they

02:01:18.260 --> 02:01:20.640
made my face yellow and said I was taking horse

02:01:20.640 --> 02:01:24.180
medication, which is that the most to say that

02:01:24.180 --> 02:01:26.779
and repeat that over and over again is such a

02:01:26.779 --> 02:01:32.380
clear indication that they conspired. It's uniform.

02:01:33.220 --> 02:01:37.399
It's horse dewormer. Uniform. A medication that's

02:01:37.399 --> 02:01:40.039
used far more often on human beings. It's been

02:01:40.039 --> 02:01:43.579
prescribed to billions. Yeah, it's insane. And

02:01:43.579 --> 02:01:49.119
won the Nobel Prize for efficacy in humans. Yeah,

02:01:49.159 --> 02:01:52.420
in humans. It was wild. It was just wild. They

02:01:52.420 --> 02:01:56.340
had to do it. They had to discredit ivermectin.

02:01:56.729 --> 02:01:59.109
Because, you know, because there's a federal

02:01:59.109 --> 02:02:01.449
law, the federal emergency use authorization

02:02:01.449 --> 02:02:06.189
statute says that you cannot issue you cannot

02:02:06.189 --> 02:02:09.090
issue an emergency use authorization to a vaccine.

02:02:09.689 --> 02:02:13.329
If there is an existing medication that has been

02:02:13.329 --> 02:02:17.430
approved for any purpose that is demonstrated

02:02:17.430 --> 02:02:22.010
effective against the target illness. So they

02:02:22.010 --> 02:02:25.579
had to destroy. ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine

02:02:25.579 --> 02:02:27.420
and discredit it. And they had to tell everybody

02:02:27.420 --> 02:02:29.399
it's not effective because if they had acknowledged

02:02:29.399 --> 02:02:33.579
that it's effective in anybody, the whole $200

02:02:33.579 --> 02:02:36.119
billion vaccine enterprise would have collapsed.

02:02:37.739 --> 02:02:42.659
It's a very strange and difficult to navigate

02:02:42.659 --> 02:02:45.640
subject because there's so many studies. And

02:02:45.640 --> 02:02:47.659
there's a lot of studies that seem to point to

02:02:47.659 --> 02:02:50.380
the fact that ivermectin doesn't work well for

02:02:50.380 --> 02:02:54.500
people that have COVID. Yeah, I, you know, we've

02:02:54.500 --> 02:02:58.100
looked at all the studies and we, you know, there's

02:02:58.100 --> 02:03:01.119
there's over 100 studies on ivermectin. And,

02:03:01.359 --> 02:03:04.800
you know, I think they're on our website, on

02:03:04.800 --> 02:03:08.199
CHC's website. And then there were a series of

02:03:08.199 --> 02:03:09.880
studies. And this is what they always do. This

02:03:09.880 --> 02:03:13.279
is what they did with autism. They design studies

02:03:13.279 --> 02:03:16.869
to fail. So they, you know, in fact. They designed

02:03:16.869 --> 02:03:18.890
studies, and the way they designed them to fail

02:03:18.890 --> 02:03:22.050
is by giving people lethal doses of ivermectin

02:03:22.050 --> 02:03:26.050
or hydroxychloroquine. And in fact, in Brazil,

02:03:26.289 --> 02:03:29.449
the researchers were charged with homicide. And

02:03:29.449 --> 02:03:33.029
that was one of those—I forget whether it was

02:03:33.029 --> 02:03:35.229
called the Solidarity Study, but it was one of

02:03:35.229 --> 02:03:38.590
the studies that was commissioned by WHO, paid

02:03:38.590 --> 02:03:42.840
for by Bill Gates and his people. And that, you

02:03:42.840 --> 02:03:44.800
know, they were literally giving people four

02:03:44.800 --> 02:03:50.439
or five times the prescribed doses of ivermectin

02:03:50.439 --> 02:03:53.260
and hydroxychloroquine in order. And, you know,

02:03:53.279 --> 02:03:55.420
these were elderly people on their deathbeds.

02:03:56.140 --> 02:03:58.699
And a lot of them could not take that level of

02:03:58.699 --> 02:04:01.960
toxicity and died. And so then they were able

02:04:01.960 --> 02:04:04.739
to say, oh, it kills people. But it wasn't killing

02:04:04.739 --> 02:04:07.520
anybody they gave the prescribed doses to. And,

02:04:07.560 --> 02:04:11.680
you know, and Gates knew. what the prescribed

02:04:11.680 --> 02:04:16.640
dose was for hydroxychloroquine because his foundation

02:04:16.640 --> 02:04:21.460
gives it to hundreds of millions of people every

02:04:21.460 --> 02:04:24.979
year in Africa for malaria control. And so it's

02:04:24.979 --> 02:04:27.699
hard to say that it was a mistake that they were

02:04:27.699 --> 02:04:31.600
overdosing these people. So it was a situation

02:04:31.600 --> 02:04:33.600
where you have the emergency use authorization.

02:04:34.479 --> 02:04:37.079
And that won't work if you have a medication

02:04:37.079 --> 02:04:39.500
that also works. And then you have this medication

02:04:39.500 --> 02:04:42.479
that also works that happens to be generic. Yeah,

02:04:42.500 --> 02:04:46.180
that costs five cents a pill instead of $3 ,000

02:04:46.180 --> 02:04:50.079
a dose like remdesivir. Yeah. Remdesivir, the

02:04:50.079 --> 02:04:54.020
reason they like remdesivir is because remdesivir,

02:04:54.020 --> 02:05:00.880
you give IV in the hospital. At the end of life,

02:05:00.960 --> 02:05:04.220
it's not prophylactic. They didn't want something

02:05:04.220 --> 02:05:08.319
that was prophylactic or early cure. Because

02:05:08.319 --> 02:05:11.140
that would have meant the whole vaccine issue

02:05:11.140 --> 02:05:15.699
would have fallen apart. Remdesivir was crazy

02:05:15.699 --> 02:05:20.000
because remdesivir in 2019, so right before the

02:05:20.000 --> 02:05:26.140
pandemic, Fauci had remdesivir in an Ebola trial.

02:05:27.310 --> 02:05:31.310
with four other drugs in Africa. And the IRB,

02:05:31.369 --> 02:05:36.890
the safety panel, you have to have a safety panel

02:05:36.890 --> 02:05:40.909
for, it's called the Institutional Review Board

02:05:40.909 --> 02:05:44.909
for every clinical trial. The safety panel stepped

02:05:44.909 --> 02:05:48.609
in and pulled remdesivir out because it was killing

02:05:48.609 --> 02:05:52.250
so many people. It was killing more people than

02:05:52.250 --> 02:05:56.149
the Ebola. Ebola kills 53 % of the people who

02:05:56.149 --> 02:06:01.869
get it. And remdesivir was doing worse. So why

02:06:01.869 --> 02:06:05.149
would you take that that got thrown out of an

02:06:05.149 --> 02:06:09.010
Ebola trial and give it to people with a disease

02:06:09.010 --> 02:06:11.949
that has an infection fatality rate of 1 %? It's

02:06:11.949 --> 02:06:15.520
insane. I would say that's insane if I didn't

02:06:15.520 --> 02:06:17.739
know that there was a history of doing similar

02:06:17.739 --> 02:06:21.659
things. And the AIDS crisis with AZT. AZT, which

02:06:21.659 --> 02:06:24.500
was initially a chemotherapy medication that

02:06:24.500 --> 02:06:27.119
was killing people in a two -week dose. They

02:06:27.119 --> 02:06:29.659
were giving them two weeks of this stuff was

02:06:29.659 --> 02:06:32.260
killing people faster than AIDS was killing people.

02:06:32.520 --> 02:06:36.199
And they went and took that. excuse me, what

02:06:36.199 --> 02:06:37.920
fastened cancer was killing people. And they

02:06:37.920 --> 02:06:39.840
went and took that and started giving it to people

02:06:39.840 --> 02:06:41.159
that had AIDS. It was regarded as too dangerous

02:06:41.159 --> 02:06:46.619
to treat as a cancer. Right. With cancer, you

02:06:46.619 --> 02:06:48.300
give it, you know, in the simplest terms, you're

02:06:48.300 --> 02:06:50.619
giving a chemotherapy drug that is going to kill

02:06:50.619 --> 02:06:53.739
you, 100 % of the time is going to kill you,

02:06:53.779 --> 02:06:56.779
you know, at least in those, at that era, because

02:06:56.779 --> 02:06:59.239
it's designed to kill human tissue. Right. And

02:06:59.239 --> 02:07:01.380
you're hoping that it will kill the tumor before

02:07:01.380 --> 02:07:05.180
it kills the, you know, the person. And it was

02:07:05.180 --> 02:07:09.199
thrown out as too dangerous to use for two weeks

02:07:09.199 --> 02:07:13.579
in chemotherapy. And now they decided, okay,

02:07:13.640 --> 02:07:16.199
we're going to give it to people lifetime course

02:07:16.199 --> 02:07:19.260
of it to people of AIDS. And, of course, it's

02:07:19.260 --> 02:07:21.819
going to kill, you know, anybody on it is going

02:07:21.819 --> 02:07:24.579
to kill. Well, the Arthur Ashe thing blew me

02:07:24.579 --> 02:07:26.699
away because I didn't know that Arthur Ashe was

02:07:26.699 --> 02:07:31.760
asymptomatic. And then he died right after he

02:07:31.760 --> 02:07:36.640
started taking AZT. And he said publicly, I don't

02:07:36.640 --> 02:07:39.279
want to be on this. I think it's hurting me,

02:07:39.380 --> 02:07:41.899
but my doctor is going to get mad at me if I

02:07:41.899 --> 02:07:47.659
get off of it. And how many other people? How

02:07:47.659 --> 02:07:50.020
many people died from AZT? Well, Nureyev, too.

02:07:50.140 --> 02:07:53.420
It's the same thing. He was completely healthy,

02:07:53.579 --> 02:07:57.079
and they put him on AZT, and he died. How many

02:07:57.079 --> 02:07:59.819
people did die? What is the overall number from

02:07:59.819 --> 02:08:03.180
AZT? I have to go back and read my book. It's

02:08:03.180 --> 02:08:08.420
extraordinary. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, just

02:08:08.420 --> 02:08:12.899
the fact that that playbook existed, they've

02:08:12.899 --> 02:08:15.600
done it this way in the past and gotten away

02:08:15.600 --> 02:08:18.539
with it. And that when they have drugs that are

02:08:18.539 --> 02:08:21.100
approved and they already have these drugs, and

02:08:21.100 --> 02:08:24.109
if these drugs didn't work on that thing. They'll

02:08:24.109 --> 02:08:26.130
try them on this thing. And then they'll say

02:08:26.130 --> 02:08:29.770
in the case of AZT, there's video of Fauci saying

02:08:29.770 --> 02:08:31.869
the reason why it's the only drug we recommend

02:08:31.869 --> 02:08:34.829
or that is prescribed is because it's safe and

02:08:34.829 --> 02:08:38.109
effective. He actually said that about AZT. And

02:08:38.109 --> 02:08:40.109
he knew at that time. Which is a crazy thing.

02:08:40.329 --> 02:08:44.310
The only way – I mean one of the tricks they

02:08:44.310 --> 02:08:46.329
were using is the people who were getting the

02:08:46.329 --> 02:08:49.409
AZT, they were also giving blood transfusions

02:08:49.409 --> 02:08:52.779
to. Yes. which were keeping them alive and making

02:08:52.779 --> 02:08:55.439
it seem, if you give somebody a blood transfusion,

02:08:55.460 --> 02:08:58.800
it perks them up and keeps you alive longer.

02:09:01.180 --> 02:09:04.880
And so they were keeping those people alive artificially

02:09:04.880 --> 02:09:08.699
in order to make the drug look like it actually

02:09:08.699 --> 02:09:11.800
was efficacious. The crazy thing is what they're

02:09:11.800 --> 02:09:14.859
allowed to do in studies. And one of the first

02:09:14.859 --> 02:09:17.899
correspondence that you and I had was we had

02:09:17.899 --> 02:09:22.460
read something where the description of why the

02:09:22.460 --> 02:09:27.060
COVID vaccines were 100 percent effective and

02:09:27.060 --> 02:09:31.310
what they used to make that distinction. No.

02:09:31.470 --> 02:09:33.949
Like, explain that. Explain that, because it's

02:09:33.949 --> 02:09:37.670
such a bizarre the way they do it. It seems like

02:09:37.670 --> 02:09:40.810
it should be illegal. What they did with the

02:09:40.810 --> 02:09:44.250
covid vaccine is they they gave the covid. This

02:09:44.250 --> 02:09:46.170
is the Pfizer trial. We know a lot about the

02:09:46.170 --> 02:09:49.149
Pfizer trial because that was the one that was

02:09:49.149 --> 02:09:52.750
Pfizer was the one to get an approved vaccine.

02:09:53.090 --> 02:09:57.100
You know, it got the it did another trick. It

02:09:57.100 --> 02:09:59.439
got one of its vaccines approved, the Cominarty

02:09:59.439 --> 02:10:01.979
vaccine, but that vaccine was not available in

02:10:01.979 --> 02:10:05.039
this country. But they were able to say to people,

02:10:05.159 --> 02:10:07.359
oh, we have an approved vaccine. And that made

02:10:07.359 --> 02:10:09.880
it OK for the colleges and everybody else to

02:10:09.880 --> 02:10:11.920
force you to take an emergency use authorization

02:10:11.920 --> 02:10:15.020
vaccine, which is illegal. Nobody can tell you

02:10:15.020 --> 02:10:19.020
to participate in a medical experiment. And so

02:10:19.020 --> 02:10:28.399
they played this kind of shell game. And what

02:10:28.399 --> 02:10:34.300
they did was they gave 22 ,000 people the vaccine

02:10:34.300 --> 02:10:40.500
and 22 ,000 similarly situated people the placebo.

02:10:41.039 --> 02:10:46.539
And after six months, and they actually, they

02:10:46.539 --> 02:10:49.579
promised to do a five -year study, but then they...

02:10:49.770 --> 02:10:52.670
cut it back to two months or four months and

02:10:52.670 --> 02:10:56.149
unblinded it right at the beginning, which is

02:10:56.149 --> 02:10:59.770
total deception. Now we don't know what any of

02:10:59.770 --> 02:11:02.470
the long -term effects are. There's a lot of

02:11:02.470 --> 02:11:07.569
impacts from vaccines like every other drug that

02:11:07.569 --> 02:11:11.529
have long diagnostic horizons and long incubation

02:11:11.529 --> 02:11:14.449
periods. And if you don't have a five -year placebo

02:11:14.449 --> 02:11:17.050
-controlled trial, as Fauci himself has said,

02:11:17.109 --> 02:11:20.159
you need eight years, he said. you're going to

02:11:20.159 --> 02:11:22.060
miss a lot and you could have mayhem. And that's

02:11:22.060 --> 02:11:23.399
exactly what happened. So they used the excuse

02:11:23.399 --> 02:11:26.760
that this pandemic was so deadly that they had

02:11:26.760 --> 02:11:29.399
to unblind the trial and give this medication

02:11:29.399 --> 02:11:31.199
to everyone. Otherwise, it would be unethical.

02:11:31.319 --> 02:11:34.279
Yeah. Otherwise, it would be unethical. You think

02:11:34.279 --> 02:11:36.140
that that was done on purpose? Do you think that

02:11:36.140 --> 02:11:37.239
was done to obscure? Well, I don't look into

02:11:37.239 --> 02:11:40.699
people's heads, but it's not a good – the optics

02:11:40.699 --> 02:11:46.640
are not good. So what they did is they had 22

02:11:46.640 --> 02:11:49.180
,000 people got the vaccine, 22 ,000 had done

02:11:49.180 --> 02:11:51.340
it, and they have six months of data. Some of

02:11:51.340 --> 02:11:56.159
that is unblinded, but it's six months. And during

02:11:56.159 --> 02:11:58.539
that six -month period, in the vaccine group,

02:11:58.640 --> 02:12:02.159
one person died of COVID. And in the placebo

02:12:02.159 --> 02:12:06.399
group, two people died from COVID. So that allows

02:12:06.399 --> 02:12:10.880
Pfizer to tell the public and FDA to tell the

02:12:10.880 --> 02:12:13.760
public, oh, this vaccine is 100 % effective because

02:12:13.760 --> 02:12:18.899
two is 100 % of one. That is insane. What they

02:12:18.899 --> 02:12:21.079
should have been telling Americans and what they're

02:12:21.079 --> 02:12:25.880
required to under the law is to give them a number

02:12:25.880 --> 02:12:29.640
that is called the NNTV. The number needed to

02:12:29.640 --> 02:12:32.060
vaccinate to save one life. How many people do

02:12:32.060 --> 02:12:33.779
you have to vaccinate to save one life? And the

02:12:33.779 --> 02:12:38.060
answer, of course, is you need to vaccinate 22

02:12:38.060 --> 02:12:42.600
,000 people to save one life. So if you're going

02:12:42.600 --> 02:12:47.819
to vaccinate 22 ,000 people to save one life,

02:12:47.899 --> 02:12:50.380
you better make sure the vaccine itself is not

02:12:50.380 --> 02:12:53.699
killing anybody. Because if it kills one person

02:12:53.699 --> 02:12:56.899
for 22 ,000... you've now canceled out the entire

02:12:56.899 --> 02:13:00.079
benefit of the product. And when they looked

02:13:00.079 --> 02:13:03.260
at the key metric, which was all -cause mortality,

02:13:03.340 --> 02:13:06.899
in other words, how many people died, not just

02:13:06.899 --> 02:13:08.979
from COVID, but of all causes in the vaccine

02:13:08.979 --> 02:13:11.579
group, and how many died from all causes in a

02:13:11.579 --> 02:13:17.720
placebo group. The placebo group had 17 people

02:13:17.720 --> 02:13:27.189
die, and the vaccine group had 21. So what that

02:13:27.189 --> 02:13:32.909
means is there were more people died in the vaccine

02:13:32.909 --> 02:13:36.250
group. But didn't the placebo group eventually

02:13:36.250 --> 02:13:38.350
take the vaccine because they were unblinded?

02:13:38.350 --> 02:13:40.729
Yeah, they were unblinded, but they still gave

02:13:40.729 --> 02:13:44.069
us the data, the six -month data for the people.

02:13:44.289 --> 02:13:46.229
So it's all, I mean, there's total information.

02:13:46.350 --> 02:13:48.609
So it's during six months, though, right? It's

02:13:48.609 --> 02:13:51.369
six months of people that are adults. Some of

02:13:51.369 --> 02:13:54.810
them got it sooner, two or four months. But anyway,

02:13:54.930 --> 02:13:56.890
they gave us the six months of data for the two

02:13:56.890 --> 02:13:59.550
designated groups. And the you know, it's an

02:13:59.550 --> 02:14:03.689
alarming result because there were four people

02:14:03.689 --> 02:14:07.930
who died of four to five people who died of cardiac

02:14:07.930 --> 02:14:11.369
arrest in the placebo in the vaccine group and

02:14:11.369 --> 02:14:14.810
only one in the placebo group. What that means

02:14:14.810 --> 02:14:18.090
is if you take the vaccine, you're 21 percent

02:14:18.090 --> 02:14:20.109
more likely to die over six months, according

02:14:20.109 --> 02:14:22.710
to this data, according to this data, which is.

02:14:23.130 --> 02:14:25.949
You know, not good data and not enough of a big

02:14:25.949 --> 02:14:28.090
group of a large enough group to really make

02:14:28.090 --> 02:14:31.010
these kind of predictions. But it's all they

02:14:31.010 --> 02:14:33.909
gave us. So they're stuck with this number. If

02:14:33.909 --> 02:14:36.090
you take the vaccine, you're 21 percent more

02:14:36.090 --> 02:14:39.689
likely to die of all causes. And and when you

02:14:39.689 --> 02:14:43.310
look at the data, you see that there's four cardiac

02:14:43.310 --> 02:14:46.189
arrests, four to five, because one of them looks

02:14:46.189 --> 02:14:48.409
like a cardiac arrest. But it may not be. But

02:14:48.409 --> 02:14:51.069
there's at least four cardiac arrests in the

02:14:51.069 --> 02:14:54.220
vaccine group. and only one in the placebo group,

02:14:54.340 --> 02:14:57.659
which means if you take the vaccine, you're 400

02:14:57.659 --> 02:15:03.039
% more likely to die of a cardiac arrest over

02:15:03.039 --> 02:15:06.300
the next six months than if you didn't. So that's

02:15:06.300 --> 02:15:10.760
not a good product. You wouldn't want to recommend

02:15:10.760 --> 02:15:13.579
that product, much less mandate it, and yet they

02:15:13.579 --> 02:15:15.640
did. You were explaining to me when we were outside

02:15:15.640 --> 02:15:17.319
before we came in here, I said I wanted to talk

02:15:17.319 --> 02:15:20.170
about it here instead. You were explaining how

02:15:20.170 --> 02:15:23.329
instead of using the VAERS system, that there's

02:15:23.329 --> 02:15:29.649
a method of analyzing a whole host of data to

02:15:29.649 --> 02:15:33.510
find out about deaths, how many coffins are ordered,

02:15:33.869 --> 02:15:36.989
how many people die of heart attacks, strokes.

02:15:37.409 --> 02:15:40.829
There's another way to look at it. Yeah, I mean,

02:15:40.989 --> 02:15:46.920
the guy who kind of... showed that to the world

02:15:46.920 --> 02:15:52.100
was Ed Dowd. And Ed Dowd was a, he was a big

02:15:52.100 --> 02:15:56.619
Wall Street guy. He was one, I think he operated

02:15:56.619 --> 02:16:01.000
one of the portfolio companies for BlackRock.

02:16:01.560 --> 02:16:06.579
He grew it. And again, you know, this needs to

02:16:06.579 --> 02:16:08.520
be checked a little and maybe James could, but

02:16:08.520 --> 02:16:12.279
I think he grew it from, you know. under a billion

02:16:12.279 --> 02:16:15.619
to $14 billion. He was a major player in Wall

02:16:15.619 --> 02:16:20.420
Street. And the way he did that was he saw the

02:16:20.420 --> 02:16:23.359
2008 crash coming because he's a numbers guy.

02:16:23.420 --> 02:16:26.520
He sees the world in terms of numbers. During

02:16:26.520 --> 02:16:30.840
the pandemic, he had no kind of early exposure

02:16:30.840 --> 02:16:33.260
to the medical freedom movement or anything else.

02:16:33.280 --> 02:16:35.420
He just started seeing data that made no sense

02:16:35.420 --> 02:16:39.690
to him. And it was a lot of those. was kind of

02:16:39.690 --> 02:16:43.110
the all -cause mortality deaths. He started seeing

02:16:43.110 --> 02:16:45.989
people dying after vaccination that shouldn't

02:16:45.989 --> 02:16:48.190
have been dying, you know, kids on the ball fields,

02:16:48.350 --> 02:16:51.690
all of these, you know, the athletes, etc. But

02:16:51.690 --> 02:16:56.010
he was looking at these non -conventional data

02:16:56.010 --> 02:16:58.790
sources like the ones that you spoke of. He was

02:16:58.790 --> 02:17:04.350
looking at insurance industry data that showed

02:17:04.350 --> 02:17:07.510
excess deaths, particularly in younger groups,

02:17:07.569 --> 02:17:11.620
spiking. After the vaccine and seeing it all

02:17:11.620 --> 02:17:14.280
over the world. And he ended up doing a book

02:17:14.280 --> 02:17:18.040
on this that is that is designed to be read in,

02:17:18.159 --> 02:17:22.159
I think, an hour or 90 minutes. And it's a book.

02:17:22.780 --> 02:17:24.879
It's an extraordinary book because it has all

02:17:24.879 --> 02:17:28.040
of these graphs that are that are incredibly

02:17:28.040 --> 02:17:32.280
convincing, compelling. But it's it's the kind

02:17:32.280 --> 02:17:35.500
of book if you have a skeptic and you can get

02:17:35.500 --> 02:17:39.090
them to. sit down for 90 minutes with this book.

02:17:39.209 --> 02:17:44.170
When they get up, they will have converted. And

02:17:44.170 --> 02:17:48.389
it has, one part of the book has like maybe a

02:17:48.389 --> 02:17:52.709
thousand photos of local newspapers reporting

02:17:52.709 --> 02:17:57.290
athletes dying on playing fields. These stories

02:17:57.290 --> 02:18:00.110
never made the national news, but the local papers

02:18:00.110 --> 02:18:03.170
were, you know, because they'd happen at the

02:18:03.170 --> 02:18:06.649
local game. And the local papers were covering

02:18:06.649 --> 02:18:08.729
them. So there was no censorship in the local

02:18:08.729 --> 02:18:13.370
papers. And it's really, it's sickening. I mean,

02:18:13.370 --> 02:18:15.149
it's terrible. These, you know, these beautiful

02:18:15.149 --> 02:18:17.530
children who were dying on the playing field.

02:18:17.610 --> 02:18:19.709
And COVID was killing people, but it was old

02:18:19.709 --> 02:18:23.409
people. Cause unknown, the epidemic of sudden

02:18:23.409 --> 02:18:28.350
deaths in 2021 and 2022. Edward Dowd. Yeah. Yeah.

02:18:29.170 --> 02:18:31.870
Died after first vaccine dose. Dies at hospital.

02:18:32.620 --> 02:18:35.040
Football died on the field. None of this was

02:18:35.040 --> 02:18:38.360
reported. And now there's thousands and thousands

02:18:38.360 --> 02:18:40.540
of those stories, I think. Well, they were also

02:18:40.540 --> 02:18:44.340
kind of suppressed. Yeah. One of the data points,

02:18:44.479 --> 02:18:48.799
he went in and looked globally. People do die

02:18:48.799 --> 02:18:51.639
on playing fields. It's a pretty steady average

02:18:51.639 --> 02:18:55.139
of 29 per year for 30 years. And we were getting,

02:18:55.219 --> 02:19:01.299
after vaccination, I think 29 per month. Now,

02:19:01.559 --> 02:19:04.879
here's the other concern. It's not just the people

02:19:04.879 --> 02:19:07.440
that died. It's the people that suffered that

02:19:07.440 --> 02:19:10.760
are alive and that have an injury and that may

02:19:10.760 --> 02:19:14.979
it may have radically shortened their life. Well,

02:19:15.180 --> 02:19:21.139
there's 15 million Americans. According to the

02:19:21.139 --> 02:19:24.540
V -safe data and the Rasmussen poll, 15 million

02:19:24.540 --> 02:19:28.780
Americans sought medical help after the vaccine.

02:19:30.259 --> 02:19:32.780
That's, you know, and then, you know, VAERS,

02:19:32.840 --> 02:19:37.780
which VAERS is unreliable, but it's not unreliable

02:19:37.780 --> 02:19:39.860
because it's overestimated. It's unreliable because

02:19:39.860 --> 02:19:42.680
it's underestimated. And that's the CDC's own

02:19:42.680 --> 02:19:45.500
study says it undercounts injuries by between

02:19:45.500 --> 02:19:51.180
10 and 100 percent. And so 100 times, not 100

02:19:51.180 --> 02:19:56.299
percent, 100 times. So I think VAERS has 17 ,000

02:19:56.299 --> 02:20:00.899
deaths. reported and, you know, over a million

02:20:00.899 --> 02:20:03.920
injuries. It may be well over a million. It's

02:20:03.920 --> 02:20:05.600
something like that. I mean, James can look it

02:20:05.600 --> 02:20:09.799
up. But in 1976, when they had this, you know,

02:20:09.799 --> 02:20:13.459
really bad flu shot that they did the same thing

02:20:13.459 --> 02:20:16.020
with, they did a global rollout and everybody

02:20:16.020 --> 02:20:19.459
had to take it. And they pulled the shot after

02:20:19.459 --> 02:20:23.520
25 deaths reported, 25. So now, I mean, there

02:20:23.520 --> 02:20:26.819
are, you know. We're living in a different universe

02:20:26.819 --> 02:20:29.739
now in terms of public health. I mean, the pharmaceutical

02:20:29.739 --> 02:20:33.860
industry has captured the regulatory structure

02:20:33.860 --> 02:20:38.299
and just changed the entire way that people think

02:20:38.299 --> 02:20:40.719
about public health. What do you think could

02:20:40.719 --> 02:20:42.879
be done about that? And what do you think you

02:20:42.879 --> 02:20:45.899
could do about that? You know, I think I am,

02:20:46.180 --> 02:20:48.600
and I don't want this to sound self -promoting,

02:20:48.639 --> 02:20:53.639
but I'm ideally suited to do this because I...

02:20:53.870 --> 02:20:55.850
I've spent so much time litigating and writing

02:20:55.850 --> 02:20:59.469
about these agencies that I know how to unravel

02:20:59.469 --> 02:21:02.069
corporate capture. I know exactly what to do

02:21:02.069 --> 02:21:04.850
when I get in there. For a lot of them, I know

02:21:04.850 --> 02:21:07.430
the individuals that have to be moved out and

02:21:07.430 --> 02:21:09.350
the kind of individuals that need to be moved

02:21:09.350 --> 02:21:13.709
in. But also, you need to get rid of these really

02:21:13.709 --> 02:21:17.950
corrupting financial entanglements between the

02:21:17.950 --> 02:21:20.729
pharmaceutical industry and the regulatory agencies

02:21:20.729 --> 02:21:23.729
that has put agency capture on steroids. For

02:21:23.729 --> 02:21:27.909
example, almost 50 % of FDA's budget comes from

02:21:27.909 --> 02:21:31.069
pharmaceutical companies. They're not working

02:21:31.069 --> 02:21:33.129
for us. They're working for the pharmaceutical

02:21:33.129 --> 02:21:36.969
company with CDC. CDC has a $12 billion budget

02:21:36.969 --> 02:21:41.729
and about... Almost $5 billion of that goes to

02:21:41.729 --> 02:21:44.909
buying vaccines in sweetheart deals from these

02:21:44.909 --> 02:21:49.530
four companies and then promoting them to the

02:21:49.530 --> 02:21:52.110
public. And so they're really partners with the

02:21:52.110 --> 02:21:53.670
pharmaceutical industry. And the way that you

02:21:53.670 --> 02:21:56.409
get a promotion at CDC and the way you get recognition

02:21:56.409 --> 02:22:00.629
and salary increases and good performance reviews

02:22:00.629 --> 02:22:04.729
is by increasing vaccine uptake, not by finding

02:22:04.729 --> 02:22:08.389
problems with vaccines. And it's a really bad,

02:22:08.549 --> 02:22:11.850
it's no longer serving as a regulatory agency.

02:22:12.110 --> 02:22:17.270
NIH has probably even the worst. If you work

02:22:17.270 --> 02:22:21.930
at NIH and you work on a vaccine or other medical

02:22:21.930 --> 02:22:26.030
product, you are allowed to actually to pocket

02:22:26.030 --> 02:22:29.469
royalties from that product. So any product that

02:22:29.469 --> 02:22:32.780
you work on, you can collect royalties on. You

02:22:32.780 --> 02:22:35.100
can collect royalties that are now capped at

02:22:35.100 --> 02:22:38.959
$150 ,000 a year for life, forever, not just

02:22:38.959 --> 02:22:40.920
life, but for your children's lives, et cetera.

02:22:40.979 --> 02:22:43.920
As long as that product is sold, you have margin

02:22:43.920 --> 02:22:46.040
rights for the patent. If you worked on it at

02:22:46.040 --> 02:22:50.159
NIH, so the Moderna vaccine, which is half owned

02:22:50.159 --> 02:22:53.600
by NIH, which means NIH will get half billions

02:22:53.600 --> 02:22:55.659
and billions of dollars from the sales of that

02:22:55.659 --> 02:22:57.479
vaccine, which they made, they're promoting,

02:22:57.799 --> 02:23:00.500
they're telling everybody you need to get this.

02:23:01.480 --> 02:23:04.239
Also, there's either four or six individuals

02:23:04.239 --> 02:23:08.979
who were Anthony Fauci's direct deputies who

02:23:08.979 --> 02:23:12.600
themselves are collecting $150 ,000 a year for

02:23:12.600 --> 02:23:17.819
life forever from that product. So the mercantile

02:23:17.819 --> 02:23:21.739
interest in making – those are people who are

02:23:21.739 --> 02:23:23.719
not going to find problems with the product because

02:23:23.719 --> 02:23:25.799
they're paying for their boats. They're paying

02:23:25.799 --> 02:23:27.299
for their mortgages. They're paying for their

02:23:27.299 --> 02:23:30.700
kids' education. I'm making sure that as many

02:23:30.700 --> 02:23:33.520
of those vaccines are sold as possible. So let's

02:23:33.520 --> 02:23:36.760
make kids take them, even though there's no data

02:23:36.760 --> 02:23:39.340
that show they help kids. Let's make pregnant

02:23:39.340 --> 02:23:42.840
women take them. Make everybody take them because

02:23:42.840 --> 02:23:45.540
they're cashing in on it. And that the mercantile,

02:23:45.540 --> 02:23:50.020
you know, ambitions. have completely subsumed

02:23:50.020 --> 02:23:53.540
the regulatory function of those agencies. And

02:23:53.540 --> 02:23:56.520
that has to end. You know, one of the things

02:23:56.520 --> 02:23:58.440
that we need to do, too, is to get rid of pharmaceutical

02:23:58.440 --> 02:24:02.239
advertising on television. There's only two countries

02:24:02.239 --> 02:24:05.319
in the world that allow it. One is New Zealand.

02:24:05.459 --> 02:24:08.459
The other is our country. Everybody who is knowledgeable

02:24:08.459 --> 02:24:13.229
is against it. And it not only has compromised,

02:24:13.290 --> 02:24:15.670
you know, has compromised public health. We now

02:24:15.670 --> 02:24:17.750
we take largely because of that advertising.

02:24:18.909 --> 02:24:21.649
We take three or four times the amount of drugs

02:24:21.649 --> 02:24:24.729
as Europeans take. And drugs are the number three

02:24:24.729 --> 02:24:27.010
killer in our country. Pharmaceutical drugs,

02:24:27.149 --> 02:24:29.850
the number three killer after cancer and heart

02:24:29.850 --> 02:24:32.510
attacks. They're not making us healthier. We

02:24:32.510 --> 02:24:36.309
have we spend more on health care. $4 .3 trillion

02:24:36.309 --> 02:24:38.930
than any country in the world, and we have the

02:24:38.930 --> 02:24:42.129
worst health impacts. We're behind like Mongolia,

02:24:42.170 --> 02:24:46.149
Costa Rica, Cuba in terms of our health outcomes.

02:24:46.729 --> 02:24:49.569
All of these drugs, the pharmaceutical industry

02:24:49.569 --> 02:24:53.450
is not making us safer. It's not making us healthier.

02:24:54.389 --> 02:24:57.989
And, you know, we changed the rule in 1997. Prior

02:24:57.989 --> 02:25:02.909
to 1997, like cigarettes and liquor, you couldn't

02:25:02.909 --> 02:25:06.500
advertise on TV. We changed those rules, and

02:25:06.500 --> 02:25:11.719
FDA allowed the pharmaceutical companies to advertise.

02:25:11.739 --> 02:25:14.360
And they not only now have a platform from which

02:25:14.360 --> 02:25:16.180
they can tell everybody, you're sick, you need

02:25:16.180 --> 02:25:21.280
this, you need that, but also they are able to

02:25:21.280 --> 02:25:25.200
dictate content on television. So they can dictate

02:25:25.200 --> 02:25:29.159
content on the local news. And on YouTube. Yeah,

02:25:29.219 --> 02:25:35.170
of course. Yeah. That's a terrifying thing, and

02:25:35.170 --> 02:25:40.829
it's so deeply interwoven. The question that

02:25:40.829 --> 02:25:43.110
I would have to you is, like, how do you untangle

02:25:43.110 --> 02:25:46.430
that? You do one of these things at a time, and

02:25:46.430 --> 02:25:49.709
I'm going to go in there and do it. I'm going

02:25:49.709 --> 02:25:52.170
to issue an executive order on day one saying

02:25:52.170 --> 02:25:56.149
there's no more advertising on TV. Now, FDA needs

02:25:56.149 --> 02:25:58.700
to implement that. through the regulatory process,

02:25:58.780 --> 02:26:01.319
but I also know how the regulatory process works

02:26:01.319 --> 02:26:04.000
and I know how to hasten it. I know how to make

02:26:04.000 --> 02:26:08.159
it work faster for the American people. So, you

02:26:08.159 --> 02:26:12.840
know, I'm looking forward to doing this. I'm

02:26:12.840 --> 02:26:16.520
looking forward to telling FDA you're not taking...

02:26:17.370 --> 02:26:20.149
farm of money anymore. All these controversial

02:26:20.149 --> 02:26:22.909
opinions that you have, have you had anyone debate

02:26:22.909 --> 02:26:25.209
you publicly about any of these? Nobody will

02:26:25.209 --> 02:26:27.790
debate me. For 18 years, nobody will debate me.

02:26:27.829 --> 02:26:31.270
In fact, I've scheduled many, many debates, and

02:26:31.270 --> 02:26:34.989
I've asked Hotez many, many times to debate me.

02:26:35.149 --> 02:26:37.250
And I think you've asked him, here, why don't

02:26:37.250 --> 02:26:38.989
you debate Robert Kennedy? And he said, because

02:26:38.989 --> 02:26:40.850
he's a cunning lawyer or something like that.

02:26:41.149 --> 02:26:48.659
But I've debated Hotez on the telephone. with,

02:26:48.659 --> 02:26:51.520
you know, with kind of a referee. And, you know,

02:26:51.559 --> 02:26:56.280
his science is just made up. He cannot stand

02:26:56.280 --> 02:26:59.299
by it. He can't cite studies. Well, he was trying

02:26:59.299 --> 02:27:01.440
to tell me that vaccines don't cause autism.

02:27:01.600 --> 02:27:03.840
Yeah, and his daughter has autism, and he wrote

02:27:03.840 --> 02:27:07.299
a book. But I asked my daughter doesn't have

02:27:07.299 --> 02:27:09.559
that didn't get her autism from a vaccine. But

02:27:09.559 --> 02:27:12.739
I've read that book and there is no science cited

02:27:12.739 --> 02:27:15.260
in that book. It's just him saying, you know,

02:27:15.260 --> 02:27:18.840
it didn't happen. And listen, I wouldn't wish

02:27:18.840 --> 02:27:22.260
that on anybody. And I and God bless him and

02:27:22.260 --> 02:27:24.500
God bless that little girl. And, you know, I

02:27:24.500 --> 02:27:29.579
have nothing but, you know, good energy going

02:27:29.579 --> 02:27:34.059
to them. And, you know, but it's not he's using.

02:27:36.359 --> 02:27:39.280
as a leverage to tell people, you know, there's

02:27:39.280 --> 02:27:41.559
no problem here. But this is my point, that I

02:27:41.559 --> 02:27:44.420
asked him, what does? And he said, there's a

02:27:44.420 --> 02:27:46.760
few, there's environmental factors they're aware

02:27:46.760 --> 02:27:48.799
of. I go, what are those? And he couldn't cite

02:27:48.799 --> 02:27:52.440
them. Like, how can you be so sure to say this

02:27:52.440 --> 02:27:55.379
definitely doesn't, but you're telling me there's

02:27:55.379 --> 02:27:57.799
a bunch of environmental factors that do cause

02:27:57.799 --> 02:27:59.819
it, and we're aware of those factors, but you're

02:27:59.819 --> 02:28:01.440
not aware of them, and you're an expert in this?

02:28:01.559 --> 02:28:06.350
Yeah. How is that possible? He's a health expert.

02:28:07.110 --> 02:28:09.750
That's the big question that anybody who says

02:28:09.750 --> 02:28:12.049
it's not the vaccines, I'm like, okay, fine.

02:28:12.270 --> 02:28:14.329
But they don't want – if you say it's not the

02:28:14.329 --> 02:28:17.930
vaccines, people go, oh, good. That's what I

02:28:17.930 --> 02:28:19.370
wanted to hear. That's what I wanted to hear.

02:28:19.510 --> 02:28:21.069
What is it? When you say it is the vaccines,

02:28:21.190 --> 02:28:22.649
people go, oh, my God, I don't want to hear that.

02:28:22.809 --> 02:28:24.389
They don't want to hear it, and they get angry.

02:28:24.569 --> 02:28:27.110
They get angry at you, and they go, oh, tinfoil

02:28:27.110 --> 02:28:30.590
hat conspiracy theorist. But the fact that no

02:28:30.590 --> 02:28:32.909
one will – debate you speaks volumes especially

02:28:32.909 --> 02:28:35.989
now they can't say now that you're not popular

02:28:35.989 --> 02:28:40.049
and what's uh crazy is that biden now has decided

02:28:40.049 --> 02:28:41.409
he's not even going to debate anybody in the

02:28:41.409 --> 02:28:47.350
primary i had um i'll just tell you one story

02:28:47.350 --> 02:28:50.950
the connecticut state legislature was debating

02:28:50.950 --> 02:28:55.549
was um had a bill to end the religious exemptions

02:28:55.549 --> 02:28:58.649
for childhood vaccines in Connecticut. And the

02:28:58.649 --> 02:29:02.049
head of the Democratic Party, the legislature,

02:29:02.209 --> 02:29:06.049
asked me to come out and debate a Yale professor

02:29:06.049 --> 02:29:08.090
in front of the legislature. And I said, great.

02:29:08.489 --> 02:29:11.610
I'm from the Yale Medical School. And he called

02:29:11.610 --> 02:29:13.469
back and said, there's going to be two of them

02:29:13.469 --> 02:29:16.610
and it's against you. And they're going to get...

02:29:16.790 --> 02:29:18.209
Two -thirds of the time, and you get a third.

02:29:18.329 --> 02:29:20.850
I said, fine. And then he called back and said,

02:29:20.889 --> 02:29:23.870
there's going to be four of them, and you each

02:29:23.870 --> 02:29:26.229
get six minutes. And I said, that's all I need.

02:29:26.850 --> 02:29:30.870
And it's not fair, but it's all I need. And so

02:29:30.870 --> 02:29:33.770
I fly out on a red -eye. I get to the statehouse,

02:29:33.870 --> 02:29:36.870
and it's me and four empty chairs. Somebody told

02:29:36.870 --> 02:29:40.209
them, or they all decided, I don't know, not

02:29:40.209 --> 02:29:42.370
to show up. And that's happened to me again and

02:29:42.370 --> 02:29:44.049
again and again and again. I agree to debates.

02:29:45.479 --> 02:29:48.540
And it seems like somebody gets a message, but,

02:29:48.600 --> 02:29:51.899
you know, who knows? It's obscure. Nobody in

02:29:51.899 --> 02:29:57.219
18 years has been willing to debate me. What

02:29:57.219 --> 02:30:00.059
is that like to carry that around? I mean, I

02:30:00.059 --> 02:30:03.479
know you kind of described it earlier in the

02:30:03.479 --> 02:30:09.760
Sisyphus analogy, but it's, I mean, it's got

02:30:09.760 --> 02:30:15.059
to be insanely frustrating. I mean, I can't imagine.

02:30:15.180 --> 02:30:18.360
I mean, you really handle it incredibly well.

02:30:19.920 --> 02:30:22.760
You know, it is. It's frustrating. But I mean,

02:30:22.840 --> 02:30:30.219
I listen. I look at these some of my friends

02:30:30.219 --> 02:30:33.760
that I've made over time who have children who

02:30:33.760 --> 02:30:38.079
are affected, children who were. perfectly healthy

02:30:38.079 --> 02:30:41.459
kids who exceeded all their milestones and then

02:30:41.459 --> 02:30:44.180
they lost everything in their two years. And

02:30:44.180 --> 02:30:47.079
a lot of these kids are so severely affected.

02:30:48.180 --> 02:30:52.840
They'll never hold a job. They'll never pay taxes.

02:30:53.079 --> 02:30:57.459
They'll never write a poem. They'll never throw

02:30:57.459 --> 02:31:00.700
a baseball. They'll never go out on a date with

02:31:00.700 --> 02:31:06.069
a girl or a boy. They'll never serve in the military.

02:31:06.549 --> 02:31:09.989
Their lives are so constricted. And the parents'

02:31:10.229 --> 02:31:15.010
lives are also shattered. A lot of these parents,

02:31:15.250 --> 02:31:18.069
for most of them, because the children have these

02:31:18.069 --> 02:31:22.549
severe anger and violence and they have these

02:31:22.549 --> 02:31:25.049
tactile sensitivities and light sensitivities

02:31:25.049 --> 02:31:29.790
and don't like strangers, the parents can't go

02:31:29.790 --> 02:31:33.309
out. You can't get a babysitter. to take care

02:31:33.309 --> 02:31:37.530
of that child. And the parents just stop going

02:31:37.530 --> 02:31:40.069
out on dates. A lot of them give up their jobs.

02:31:40.229 --> 02:31:44.750
Almost all of them, their careers are really

02:31:44.750 --> 02:31:49.069
debilitated. And I see them going through that,

02:31:49.250 --> 02:31:52.809
and anything that I go through is like nothing,

02:31:52.969 --> 02:31:57.030
nothing. So I don't spend any time thinking of

02:31:57.030 --> 02:31:59.809
myself. I just don't get frustrated by it because

02:31:59.809 --> 02:32:02.770
all I have to do is think. I'm here for those

02:32:02.770 --> 02:32:08.969
parents. And I'm lucky that I don't have to fight

02:32:08.969 --> 02:32:12.950
that battle because I don't know if I could take

02:32:12.950 --> 02:32:17.709
it. What pushed you to want to run for president?

02:32:19.010 --> 02:32:25.190
I grew up so proud of this country and loving

02:32:25.190 --> 02:32:28.930
this country and being proud. I grew up in a

02:32:28.930 --> 02:32:33.159
magical time in American history which economists

02:32:33.159 --> 02:32:36.739
call the great prosperity. It's a time between

02:32:36.739 --> 02:32:41.659
1947 and like 1980 when our country became the

02:32:41.659 --> 02:32:43.879
wealthiest country in the world. We developed

02:32:43.879 --> 02:32:45.979
the middle class like nothing that's ever been

02:32:45.979 --> 02:32:50.180
seen in history. That became this economic machine

02:32:50.180 --> 02:32:55.280
and a machine for democracy. And we were generating

02:32:55.280 --> 02:32:58.000
during that period half the wealth on the face

02:32:58.000 --> 02:33:02.069
of the earth we owned here in this country. Everybody

02:33:02.069 --> 02:33:05.350
wanted American things. America was, you know,

02:33:05.370 --> 02:33:07.510
it was a moral authority around the world. It

02:33:07.510 --> 02:33:09.989
was a leader and everybody wanted our leadership.

02:33:10.090 --> 02:33:11.850
They don't like our bullying, but they wanted

02:33:11.850 --> 02:33:13.590
our leadership and they knew the difference.

02:33:14.610 --> 02:33:17.709
But they wanted, you know, I would travel in

02:33:17.709 --> 02:33:20.670
Europe when I was a kid and with my father and

02:33:20.670 --> 02:33:24.729
my mother and people just adored our country.

02:33:26.399 --> 02:33:29.459
And people wanted blue jeans. They wanted American

02:33:29.459 --> 02:33:34.239
cars. They wanted, you know, RCA Victrolas and,

02:33:34.280 --> 02:33:38.180
you know, our electronics. And they wanted our

02:33:38.180 --> 02:33:41.639
movies and our television. And I, you know, and

02:33:41.639 --> 02:33:46.100
they wanted our democracy. And, you know, I want

02:33:46.100 --> 02:33:49.719
my kids to grow up with that love for our country

02:33:49.719 --> 02:33:53.299
and that pride for our country. And I don't see

02:33:53.299 --> 02:33:55.719
the path from either political party getting

02:33:55.719 --> 02:33:59.120
us there at this point. I think, you know, both

02:33:59.120 --> 02:34:02.700
parties have lost their way. And my party, the

02:34:02.700 --> 02:34:05.000
Democratic Party, has become the party of war.

02:34:05.159 --> 02:34:07.319
It's become the party of censorship. It's become

02:34:07.319 --> 02:34:09.819
the party of pharmaceutical companies, of, you

02:34:09.819 --> 02:34:13.079
know, the neocons, this very aggressive, belligerent

02:34:13.079 --> 02:34:19.260
foreign policy that's forever wars. And then,

02:34:19.260 --> 02:34:22.360
you know, the kind of political suppression that

02:34:22.360 --> 02:34:26.920
we saw and this really, this kind of, this bizarre

02:34:26.920 --> 02:34:32.760
turning our backs on the American middle class,

02:34:32.879 --> 02:34:35.180
which is the only thing that sustains democracy.

02:34:35.420 --> 02:34:37.600
If you don't have a middle class, you cannot,

02:34:37.680 --> 02:34:40.399
any political scholar, you know, political scientist

02:34:40.399 --> 02:34:44.440
will tell you that if you have large aggregations

02:34:44.440 --> 02:34:48.950
of wealth at the top. and widespread poverty

02:34:48.950 --> 02:34:56.770
below. That formulation is too unstable to support

02:34:56.770 --> 02:35:01.690
democracy. And the middle class has just been

02:35:01.690 --> 02:35:04.190
wiped out in this country, and nobody's talking

02:35:04.190 --> 02:35:08.569
about it. And I think that's why Trump was so

02:35:08.569 --> 02:35:13.149
popular. He was the one guy who was talking to

02:35:13.149 --> 02:35:15.940
those people. And, you know, he's and they're

02:35:15.940 --> 02:35:19.739
angry because nobody's listening to him. And

02:35:19.739 --> 02:35:23.120
and Trump said, you know, I'm listening to you

02:35:23.120 --> 02:35:24.819
and I'm going to go break things for you. And

02:35:24.819 --> 02:35:27.280
they are angry and they want things to get broken.

02:35:27.299 --> 02:35:33.100
And I think, you know, we you know, my father

02:35:33.100 --> 02:35:37.840
used to look at Latin America. And it was the

02:35:37.840 --> 02:35:39.780
same thing back then. It was widespread poverty

02:35:39.780 --> 02:35:42.500
below and it was wealth above. And U .S. foreign

02:35:42.500 --> 02:35:46.700
policy was to sort of fortify those oligarchies

02:35:46.700 --> 02:35:50.719
and support with weapons, et cetera, the military

02:35:50.719 --> 02:35:52.799
hunters that were keeping those people in suppression

02:35:52.799 --> 02:35:56.280
because they were anti -communist. And my father

02:35:56.280 --> 02:35:58.959
said, there's going to be a revolution in those

02:35:58.959 --> 02:36:02.719
countries. And if we continue those policies.

02:36:03.669 --> 02:36:05.469
the communists are going to own the revolution

02:36:05.469 --> 02:36:08.870
and they're going to own the future. And we have

02:36:08.870 --> 02:36:11.010
to give aid directly to the poor and stop giving

02:36:11.010 --> 02:36:12.930
it to the oligarchs and stop giving it to the

02:36:12.930 --> 02:36:14.889
military. And that's why my uncle and father

02:36:14.889 --> 02:36:18.329
started the Alliance for Progress and USAID to

02:36:18.329 --> 02:36:20.790
do something that had never done before, which

02:36:20.790 --> 02:36:23.610
is to develop middle class by funding the development

02:36:23.610 --> 02:36:27.440
of middle class to the poor. I would say the

02:36:27.440 --> 02:36:30.120
same thing is happening in this country today.

02:36:31.079 --> 02:36:34.760
The oligarchs are running things and the military.

02:36:35.500 --> 02:36:38.840
And there's got to be a revolution. And either

02:36:38.840 --> 02:36:43.299
it can be owned by Donald Trump or we can try

02:36:43.299 --> 02:36:48.040
to, you know, marshal and mobilize that energy

02:36:48.040 --> 02:36:52.739
for a more idealistic vision of our country.

02:36:54.750 --> 02:37:00.930
When my father ran in 1968, he put together a

02:37:00.930 --> 02:37:04.430
populist coalition of left and right. And he

02:37:04.430 --> 02:37:07.370
was able to do that. He was able to do that by

02:37:07.370 --> 02:37:10.530
telling the truth to people, including truths

02:37:10.530 --> 02:37:14.780
that they didn't want to hear. You know, on the

02:37:14.780 --> 02:37:18.579
last day that he died, the day he died, he won

02:37:18.579 --> 02:37:21.200
the most urban state in our country, which was

02:37:21.200 --> 02:37:23.340
California, and the most rural state, which was

02:37:23.340 --> 02:37:26.520
South Dakota. He had bridged the gap between.

02:37:26.719 --> 02:37:29.760
And when I, you know, I was with him when he

02:37:29.760 --> 02:37:33.680
died in Los Angeles. And then we flew his body

02:37:33.680 --> 02:37:37.100
back on U .S. 2 on, you know, Humphrey's plane.

02:37:37.709 --> 02:37:40.250
Vice President Humphrey's plane to New York,

02:37:40.389 --> 02:37:43.250
and then we waked him in St. Patrick's Cathedral.

02:37:43.549 --> 02:37:47.129
And the crowds just, you know, it was like a

02:37:47.129 --> 02:37:52.170
flood of humanity on that street. The whole street

02:37:52.170 --> 02:37:55.209
was blocked. People standing 10 feet deep for

02:37:55.209 --> 02:37:59.020
half a mile. And then we brought him from Penn

02:37:59.020 --> 02:38:02.399
Station in Washington. He was in the caboose

02:38:02.399 --> 02:38:05.440
in the coffin. And then there was a train that

02:38:05.440 --> 02:38:07.920
we took to Union Station in Washington, D .C.

02:38:09.059 --> 02:38:11.879
And the people on that train were the people

02:38:11.879 --> 02:38:14.780
who would have been probably one of the greatest

02:38:14.780 --> 02:38:20.840
governments in United States history. And that

02:38:20.840 --> 02:38:23.840
train ride was supposed to take two and a half

02:38:23.840 --> 02:38:26.940
hours. It took seven and a half hours. Because

02:38:26.940 --> 02:38:28.459
there were two million people on the tracks.

02:38:28.700 --> 02:38:32.479
And they were white people. They were people

02:38:32.479 --> 02:38:35.000
in military uniforms. They were Boy Scouts standing,

02:38:35.219 --> 02:38:39.280
saluting. I remember passing a Little League

02:38:39.280 --> 02:38:42.219
field where all of the people, all the kids on

02:38:42.219 --> 02:38:44.379
both sides were standing, holding their gloves

02:38:44.379 --> 02:38:47.739
and saluting. And the coaches and all the people

02:38:47.739 --> 02:38:50.639
in the stand. There were Catholic priests. There

02:38:50.639 --> 02:38:54.530
was rabbis. I remember passing in Delaware. I

02:38:54.530 --> 02:38:59.090
was 14 at that time. A pickup truck that had

02:38:59.090 --> 02:39:03.389
six or seven nuns in their habits standing in

02:39:03.389 --> 02:39:06.350
the bed of the truck, and they were waving rosaries

02:39:06.350 --> 02:39:10.850
and handkerchiefs at us. In the major urban centers,

02:39:11.010 --> 02:39:13.750
the train stations, we crept through at a crawl

02:39:13.750 --> 02:39:16.750
to avoid hitting people, but they were just jammed

02:39:16.750 --> 02:39:19.049
with people, almost all black people in Trenton

02:39:19.049 --> 02:39:24.469
and Newark and Baltimore and Wilmington. And

02:39:24.469 --> 02:39:26.510
they were singing the Battle Hymn of the Republic.

02:39:26.610 --> 02:39:31.270
We had the windows open on the train. And then

02:39:31.270 --> 02:39:34.809
there were hippies in tie -dyed T -shirts. You

02:39:34.809 --> 02:39:36.750
can go look at the people. There's photographs

02:39:36.750 --> 02:39:40.510
of the people lining that track. You can call

02:39:40.510 --> 02:39:44.870
them up over there, James, if you find them.

02:39:44.909 --> 02:39:47.629
But anyway, when we got to Washington, President

02:39:47.629 --> 02:39:52.540
Johnson met us there. And took us in a convoy.

02:39:52.540 --> 02:39:55.520
We rode past the mall. And when we got to the

02:39:55.520 --> 02:39:58.940
mall, there was my uncle or my father and Martin

02:39:58.940 --> 02:40:03.799
Luther King had been talking together. And they

02:40:03.799 --> 02:40:06.659
were talking about how do we get poor people

02:40:06.659 --> 02:40:08.840
the right, you know, because the Vietnam War

02:40:08.840 --> 02:40:11.000
was sucking all the money out of the war on poverty.

02:40:11.139 --> 02:40:13.600
And they said, how do we get poor people to get

02:40:13.600 --> 02:40:16.709
politically mobilized? And they said, we need

02:40:16.709 --> 02:40:18.809
to call them all to Washington, D .C. and have

02:40:18.809 --> 02:40:22.250
them camp here until Congress acts. And so King

02:40:22.250 --> 02:40:25.709
had died two months before. My father was now

02:40:25.709 --> 02:40:27.870
dead. Marian Wright Edelman had brought all these

02:40:27.870 --> 02:40:29.850
people there, you know, working for the two of

02:40:29.850 --> 02:40:31.750
them. And there were thousands of men that were

02:40:31.750 --> 02:40:34.590
encamped in these plastic shanties on the mall.

02:40:35.709 --> 02:40:38.590
And they all came to the sidewalk and they bowed

02:40:38.590 --> 02:40:40.549
their heads and held their hats to their chest.

02:40:40.670 --> 02:40:44.270
And we drove slowly past them up to Arlington.

02:40:44.870 --> 02:40:48.629
cemetery and we buried my dad next to my uncle.

02:40:49.629 --> 02:40:52.750
Four years later, so that was 68, four years

02:40:52.750 --> 02:40:57.969
later in 1972, I was studying politics in Boston

02:40:57.969 --> 02:41:00.690
and American history and I came across this demographic

02:41:00.690 --> 02:41:04.649
data that showed that the people, the white people

02:41:04.649 --> 02:41:07.069
who had lined that train track and who had supported

02:41:07.069 --> 02:41:09.610
my father in Maryland and Delaware, Pennsylvania

02:41:09.610 --> 02:41:14.479
and New Jersey. during the 68 campaign in the

02:41:14.479 --> 02:41:19.020
primaries, in 72, did not vote for George McGovern,

02:41:19.059 --> 02:41:22.559
who was very simpatico with my father on all

02:41:22.559 --> 02:41:25.799
these issues, very much aligned. But they voted

02:41:25.799 --> 02:41:28.940
instead for George Wallace, who was absolutely

02:41:28.940 --> 02:41:31.420
antithetical to everything my father believed.

02:41:31.500 --> 02:41:34.540
He was a rampant, fierce segregationist, and

02:41:34.540 --> 02:41:39.530
I knew him very well in his old age. It occurred

02:41:39.530 --> 02:41:41.670
to me then and it struck me many times since

02:41:41.670 --> 02:41:44.290
that every nation, like every individual, has

02:41:44.290 --> 02:41:48.030
a darker side and a lighter side. And the easiest

02:41:48.030 --> 02:41:50.729
thing for a politician to do is to appeal to

02:41:50.729 --> 02:41:54.430
our hatred and our bigotry and our fear and our

02:41:54.430 --> 02:41:58.569
xenophobia and our mistrust of immigrants or

02:41:58.569 --> 02:42:02.299
whatever. And that every once in a while, you

02:42:02.299 --> 02:42:05.040
know, politicians like my dad come along who

02:42:05.040 --> 02:42:10.319
have a different approach, which is to get people,

02:42:10.540 --> 02:42:12.680
persuade people one way or another to transcend

02:42:12.680 --> 02:42:14.920
their narrow self -interest and see themselves

02:42:14.920 --> 02:42:19.700
as part of a community, as part of a larger adventure,

02:42:20.120 --> 02:42:25.059
you know, and be willing to take risks for. neighbors

02:42:25.059 --> 02:42:27.200
who don't look like them because they feel like

02:42:27.200 --> 02:42:28.959
they're part of something important you know

02:42:28.959 --> 02:42:31.459
part of maybe reconstructing our country and

02:42:31.459 --> 02:42:35.459
making it live up to its promises and and and

02:42:35.459 --> 02:42:38.299
to avoid the seduction of the notion that we

02:42:38.299 --> 02:42:40.600
can advance ourselves as a people by leaving

02:42:40.600 --> 02:42:43.860
our poor brothers and sisters behind and my dad

02:42:43.860 --> 02:42:47.719
was able to do that successfully and i think

02:42:47.719 --> 02:42:50.879
you know that we have that opportunity now and

02:42:50.879 --> 02:42:55.360
you know i You know, that's why my father was

02:42:55.360 --> 02:42:57.979
able to do something that made people find the

02:42:57.979 --> 02:43:00.860
hero in themselves, you know, people to take

02:43:00.860 --> 02:43:04.159
risks because it takes a risk to make a sacrifice

02:43:04.159 --> 02:43:07.719
or to believe in your community. And my dad was

02:43:07.719 --> 02:43:10.299
able to do that. And, you know, I would like

02:43:10.299 --> 02:43:12.879
to be able to do that for this country. And I

02:43:12.879 --> 02:43:16.819
think it's, you know, it's the only way that

02:43:16.819 --> 02:43:19.040
we're going to save this country if people can

02:43:19.040 --> 02:43:22.840
find a way to unify. people from the left and

02:43:22.840 --> 02:43:25.280
the right and to build the kind of populist movement

02:43:25.280 --> 02:43:31.479
that my father was able to build in 1968. What

02:43:31.479 --> 02:43:35.680
has it been like? What has the experience been

02:43:35.680 --> 02:43:38.600
like for you of making the decision to run and

02:43:38.600 --> 02:43:42.420
then now running and doing these interviews and

02:43:42.420 --> 02:43:44.280
seeing all these hit pieces written about you

02:43:44.280 --> 02:43:47.340
and even in the New York Times? What has this

02:43:47.340 --> 02:43:49.969
been like? Well, at least they're writing something

02:43:49.969 --> 02:43:57.229
about me. You know, it's been wonderful. It's

02:43:57.229 --> 02:44:02.450
been amazing. And, you know, my biggest worry

02:44:02.450 --> 02:44:08.049
is Cheryl because she's happy doing it. Your

02:44:08.049 --> 02:44:11.409
wife. Yeah. And she says to send you her love.

02:44:13.209 --> 02:44:18.399
But, you know, it's been good. We've gotten extraordinary

02:44:18.399 --> 02:44:22.120
traction. And the thing is that I'm not going

02:44:22.120 --> 02:44:25.319
to win this by winning the sympathies of the

02:44:25.319 --> 02:44:29.459
mainstream media. I really think these podcasts

02:44:29.459 --> 02:44:33.500
have the capacity to change politics in this

02:44:33.500 --> 02:44:35.559
country this year. And, you know, it's interesting

02:44:35.559 --> 02:44:40.780
because in 1960, my uncle, President Kennedy,

02:44:41.040 --> 02:44:46.100
had realized that this new media called television.

02:44:46.670 --> 02:44:48.569
which had never been used in a political campaign

02:44:48.569 --> 02:44:50.989
before, was a media that was very friendly to

02:44:50.989 --> 02:44:53.569
him for a variety of reasons. In other words,

02:44:53.670 --> 02:44:57.930
it was a media that he was able to master pretty

02:44:57.930 --> 02:45:02.569
well, that people liked to see him on it. And

02:45:02.569 --> 02:45:06.530
it won him the election, which was the narrowest

02:45:06.530 --> 02:45:10.250
election at that time in American history. And

02:45:10.250 --> 02:45:14.469
then in 2016, Donald Trump recognized a new technology,

02:45:14.530 --> 02:45:17.840
which was Twitter. which that he could communicate

02:45:17.840 --> 02:45:21.340
in this kind of way that was unique to him. You

02:45:21.340 --> 02:45:23.459
know, these kind of soundbites, very powerful

02:45:23.459 --> 02:45:28.540
soundbite, you know, outrageous remarks on Twitter

02:45:28.540 --> 02:45:31.719
that got him these, you know, that built him

02:45:31.719 --> 02:45:34.299
an audience. And everybody thought he was crazy.

02:45:35.540 --> 02:45:39.040
But he was able to take that technology and really,

02:45:39.079 --> 02:45:42.620
you know, turn it into a and weaponize it politically.

02:45:46.239 --> 02:45:48.659
Well, I'm not saying that's the only thing that

02:45:48.659 --> 02:45:50.760
he did. He had a lot of other stuff going for

02:45:50.760 --> 02:45:54.020
him. But he had a new media, is what I'm saying.

02:45:54.159 --> 02:45:57.719
And I think this year the podcasts are going

02:45:57.719 --> 02:46:01.420
to have the potential to revolutionize American

02:46:01.420 --> 02:46:05.579
politics because for the first time you can end

02:46:05.579 --> 02:46:09.399
run the mainstream media. I mean, I was talking

02:46:09.399 --> 02:46:12.969
to somebody about this the other day. And CNN

02:46:12.969 --> 02:46:15.530
now has a viewership of, I think, something like

02:46:15.530 --> 02:46:20.969
350 ,000 people a night. Tucker, when he was

02:46:20.969 --> 02:46:25.149
at Fox, had a viewership at the end, about 4

02:46:25.149 --> 02:46:27.909
.5 million. So he was 10 times as big as CNN.

02:46:28.930 --> 02:46:33.430
And you at, you know, your top, like McCulloch,

02:46:33.469 --> 02:46:35.370
I think you were getting almost 40 million or

02:46:35.370 --> 02:46:37.290
something, maybe more. I don't know what it is.

02:46:37.370 --> 02:46:40.610
But you are then. 10 times bigger than Tucker

02:46:40.610 --> 02:46:45.090
and 100 times bigger than CNN. And, you know,

02:46:45.129 --> 02:46:47.690
there's a lot of people out there. And this is,

02:46:47.870 --> 02:46:51.370
for me, it's a good media, you know, for a variety

02:46:51.370 --> 02:46:56.090
of reasons. And I've been able to reach a lot

02:46:56.090 --> 02:46:59.409
of people. You know, it's a very, very populous

02:46:59.409 --> 02:47:03.770
media. It reaches people who are on the far left

02:47:03.770 --> 02:47:06.760
and on the far right. And it kind of unifies

02:47:06.760 --> 02:47:09.440
them, and those are the audience that I think

02:47:09.440 --> 02:47:14.239
I'm most likely to – I mean my campaign is about

02:47:14.239 --> 02:47:17.579
bringing those two groups together, the left

02:47:17.579 --> 02:47:19.700
and the right, in a populist movement. And I

02:47:19.700 --> 02:47:22.700
think podcasts may be a formula for doing that.

02:47:23.159 --> 02:47:26.139
I think you're probably right, and I think there's

02:47:26.139 --> 02:47:28.569
a lot. more that are going to be willing to have

02:47:28.569 --> 02:47:30.409
you on the question is going to be like what

02:47:30.409 --> 02:47:33.989
happens with those episodes on youtube yeah you

02:47:33.989 --> 02:47:35.549
know we don't have to worry about this without

02:47:35.549 --> 02:47:38.329
with this episode but what it you know with other

02:47:38.329 --> 02:47:40.989
people they would people that i know would probably

02:47:40.989 --> 02:47:43.690
be interested in having you on but you know youtube

02:47:43.690 --> 02:47:46.399
dangles those strikes over your head And they

02:47:46.399 --> 02:47:48.940
also dangle demonetization over your head, which

02:47:48.940 --> 02:47:52.000
is – so say if you have an episode that's very

02:47:52.000 --> 02:47:55.260
popular but controversial, they can demonetize

02:47:55.260 --> 02:47:57.540
that episode. And if they choose to do so, you

02:47:57.540 --> 02:47:59.780
lose all the revenue, which could be pretty substantial.

02:47:59.940 --> 02:48:03.239
And so people self -censor because of that. Yeah,

02:48:03.260 --> 02:48:05.940
but the thing is that I'm not running on vaccines.

02:48:06.139 --> 02:48:08.360
Yeah. No, I understand that. It doesn't matter.

02:48:08.840 --> 02:48:12.780
The only time that I will talk about vaccines

02:48:12.780 --> 02:48:16.319
is if somebody asks me about it. If you wanted

02:48:16.319 --> 02:48:18.239
to do this whole interview and never talk about

02:48:18.239 --> 02:48:20.059
vaccines, it would be fine for me. I mean, I

02:48:20.059 --> 02:48:23.500
think I'll never do an interview like this again,

02:48:23.659 --> 02:48:26.620
probably, because this is the only place I could

02:48:26.620 --> 02:48:29.000
do this and really sort of lay out the whole

02:48:29.000 --> 02:48:31.479
thing. Otherwise, this would not survive for

02:48:31.479 --> 02:48:35.180
two minutes. And so I don't think I'll do that,

02:48:35.239 --> 02:48:37.139
but I don't need to do that because, you know,

02:48:37.159 --> 02:48:39.180
I have a lot of other issues. And my central

02:48:39.180 --> 02:48:41.399
issue is how do you rebuild the middle class

02:48:41.399 --> 02:48:43.399
and how do we get out of these forever wars?

02:48:44.190 --> 02:48:46.889
How do you get out of the Ukraine war? The Ukraine

02:48:46.889 --> 02:48:48.870
war is easy to get out of. I mean, the Russians

02:48:48.870 --> 02:48:50.549
have been wanting to settle that war from the

02:48:50.549 --> 02:48:54.170
beginning. Really? Yeah. I mean, the Minsk Accords

02:48:54.170 --> 02:48:56.670
was a settlement. And that was, you know, that

02:48:56.670 --> 02:49:00.110
we basically, you know, encouraged Zelensky.

02:49:00.590 --> 02:49:04.850
Zelensky ran in 2019. Here's a guy who's a comedian

02:49:04.850 --> 02:49:10.370
and an actor. which I'm not saying in a disparaging

02:49:10.370 --> 02:49:14.530
way. You probably should. My wife is those things

02:49:14.530 --> 02:49:22.809
too. So how did he win with 70 % of the vote?

02:49:22.930 --> 02:49:26.770
He won because he ran on a peace platform promising

02:49:26.770 --> 02:49:29.969
to sign the Minsk Accords, which was an agreement

02:49:29.969 --> 02:49:32.670
that Russia, France, and Germany had all agreed

02:49:32.670 --> 02:49:41.479
to, Ukraine as an autonomous region so they can

02:49:41.479 --> 02:49:44.459
now enjoy their own language, the ethnic Russians,

02:49:44.700 --> 02:49:48.739
and protect themselves from attack by the central

02:49:48.739 --> 02:49:52.379
government, which was U .S. installed central

02:49:52.379 --> 02:49:57.040
government, and that NATO would stay out of the

02:49:57.040 --> 02:49:58.799
Ukraine. And that's what the Russians wanted,

02:49:58.959 --> 02:50:01.239
a pledge that NATO will never go in, which we

02:50:01.239 --> 02:50:04.290
should have made for them. We have no business

02:50:04.290 --> 02:50:06.350
putting NATO in the Ukraine. We promised we'd

02:50:06.350 --> 02:50:09.629
never do that. We committed to it. And we've

02:50:09.629 --> 02:50:12.229
repeatedly violated those promises. And there's

02:50:12.229 --> 02:50:14.170
people in the White House who want this war.

02:50:14.370 --> 02:50:16.530
And they've said it repeatedly. Even President

02:50:16.530 --> 02:50:20.549
Biden has said the purpose of the war is to depose

02:50:20.549 --> 02:50:24.690
Vladimir Putin. And what, install a puppet government?

02:50:25.239 --> 02:50:28.659
Well, that's the thing. The same people who got

02:50:28.659 --> 02:50:31.620
rid of Saddam Hussein caused us $8 trillion.

02:50:32.639 --> 02:50:35.340
And Iraq is now worse off than we found it. We

02:50:35.340 --> 02:50:38.540
killed more Iraqis than Saddam Hussein. We forced

02:50:38.540 --> 02:50:42.139
Iraq into this bondage to Iran where they're

02:50:42.139 --> 02:50:45.219
now a proxy state of Iran. We've reduced that

02:50:45.219 --> 02:50:49.159
nation into this incoherent mess that is just

02:50:49.159 --> 02:50:52.340
a battle between Shia and Sunni death squads.

02:50:52.920 --> 02:50:56.729
We created ISIS. We then had to do the Syrian

02:50:56.729 --> 02:51:00.430
war, the Yemen war, the Afghan -Pakistan. We

02:51:00.430 --> 02:51:03.889
drove 2 million refugees into Europe and destabilized

02:51:03.889 --> 02:51:06.350
every democracy in Europe for the next two generations

02:51:06.350 --> 02:51:09.350
and created Brexit. That's what we got for that

02:51:09.350 --> 02:51:12.809
$8 trillion and the ravaged middle class in our

02:51:12.809 --> 02:51:16.389
country. The same people who we thought the neocons

02:51:16.389 --> 02:51:20.110
who ran that operation lied to us about weapons

02:51:20.110 --> 02:51:23.409
of mass destruction. tricked us into that war

02:51:23.409 --> 02:51:25.629
and who we thought were now out of government

02:51:25.629 --> 02:51:28.790
forever, pariahs, you know, in disgrace. They're

02:51:28.790 --> 02:51:30.829
now all back in the Biden administration with

02:51:30.829 --> 02:51:33.809
a new project. And, you know, Lloyd Austin, who

02:51:33.809 --> 02:51:37.930
is Biden's defense secretary, said the purpose

02:51:37.930 --> 02:51:42.170
of the war for us is to exhaust Russia and degrade

02:51:42.170 --> 02:51:44.110
its capacity to fight any place in the world.

02:51:44.170 --> 02:51:46.229
Well, that's not good for the Ukraine, because

02:51:46.229 --> 02:51:49.690
the way we're exhausting Russia is by butchering.

02:51:50.040 --> 02:51:53.879
to 350 ,000 Ukrainian kids. I mean, we have turned

02:51:53.879 --> 02:51:56.760
that nation into an abattoir of death for the

02:51:56.760 --> 02:52:01.959
flower of Ukrainian youth. And I'm not excusing

02:52:01.959 --> 02:52:05.000
Putin. Putin is a thug, a monster, a gangster

02:52:05.000 --> 02:52:08.680
who illegally invaded and didn't need to. We

02:52:08.680 --> 02:52:11.200
need to take responsibility for the provocations

02:52:11.200 --> 02:52:16.799
which these neocons have been provoking for over

02:52:16.799 --> 02:52:21.639
a decade. And by the way, the reason we're in

02:52:21.639 --> 02:52:23.739
that war is because Americans are good people.

02:52:23.940 --> 02:52:27.040
And, you know, we were convinced, granted we're

02:52:27.040 --> 02:52:30.719
using these kind of comic book depictions, that

02:52:30.719 --> 02:52:32.840
they're now, you know, the military industrial

02:52:32.840 --> 02:52:37.180
complex is now expert at selling from us this

02:52:37.180 --> 02:52:40.739
kind of good versus evil, you know, this whole

02:52:40.739 --> 02:52:44.020
thing that gets us into these wars. And keep,

02:52:44.120 --> 02:52:46.600
you know, that war is a money laundering racket

02:52:46.600 --> 02:52:49.200
for... For the military contractors, the money

02:52:49.200 --> 02:52:51.139
is going there and coming right back. And then

02:52:51.139 --> 02:52:53.680
they all go on CNN, you know, the generals, et

02:52:53.680 --> 02:52:55.879
cetera, who if you look at their resumes, they're

02:52:55.879 --> 02:52:59.200
all working for General Dynamics and the military

02:52:59.200 --> 02:53:02.299
contractors. And they tell us we need to be in

02:53:02.299 --> 02:53:04.420
this war and tell us horror stories, et cetera.

02:53:05.479 --> 02:53:08.260
But we're there because Americans are good people

02:53:08.260 --> 02:53:10.659
and they have compassion and they want to redress

02:53:10.659 --> 02:53:14.799
a wrong putt. And by the way, my son went over

02:53:14.799 --> 02:53:19.670
there and fought. And he joined – without telling

02:53:19.670 --> 02:53:22.809
us, he left law school and a summer job and he

02:53:22.809 --> 02:53:24.309
went over there and joined the Foreign Legion

02:53:24.309 --> 02:53:28.510
and fought as a machine gunner for a special

02:53:28.510 --> 02:53:30.950
forces unit during the Kharkiv offensive. So

02:53:30.950 --> 02:53:36.489
the Ukrainian people, the valor of those people

02:53:36.489 --> 02:53:40.469
and the anguish that they're suffering is beyond

02:53:40.469 --> 02:53:45.920
any description. We need to look at our role

02:53:45.920 --> 02:53:49.319
in it and we need to look for roads to peace

02:53:49.319 --> 02:53:55.860
and try to end the killing. There's 30 ,000 to

02:53:55.860 --> 02:53:59.110
80 ,000. Russians with kids who have died there

02:53:59.110 --> 02:54:01.290
too. And, you know, we shouldn't be exalting

02:54:01.290 --> 02:54:04.370
over that. We should be trying to find a sound.

02:54:04.430 --> 02:54:07.350
The U .S. should be the grown -up in the room

02:54:07.350 --> 02:54:09.469
that's saying, how do we stop the bloodshed?

02:54:09.510 --> 02:54:11.229
That's what we should be doing over there and

02:54:11.229 --> 02:54:13.649
not to achieve these. And I'll just say one other

02:54:13.649 --> 02:54:17.569
thing, Joe. That war has cost us $113 billion.

02:54:18.989 --> 02:54:24.850
That's the commitment so far. CDC's entire budget

02:54:24.850 --> 02:54:31.690
is $12 billion a year. FDA or EPA's entire budget

02:54:31.690 --> 02:54:37.469
is about $12 billion. We have 57 % of our people

02:54:37.469 --> 02:54:39.750
in this country cannot put their hands on $1

02:54:39.750 --> 02:54:44.250
,000 if they need to if there's an emergency.

02:54:45.370 --> 02:54:48.909
25 % of Americans are hungry now, are not getting

02:54:48.909 --> 02:54:53.610
enough food. I have a friend. who was a commercial

02:54:53.610 --> 02:54:56.790
fisherman who spent his life on the fisheries,

02:54:56.790 --> 02:55:00.450
had a business, put it together. But because

02:55:00.450 --> 02:55:02.950
it's a private business, because we are working

02:55:02.950 --> 02:55:04.889
a lot for other people, he doesn't have benefits.

02:55:05.709 --> 02:55:08.309
He now has a disability. His son -in -law runs

02:55:08.309 --> 02:55:10.649
the business but can't support him. He has a

02:55:10.649 --> 02:55:16.569
disability, and he has been surviving on $280

02:55:16.569 --> 02:55:20.670
worth of food stamps from the SNAP program. And

02:55:20.670 --> 02:55:23.969
that doesn't take you too far. But on March 1st,

02:55:23.969 --> 02:55:26.790
he got a robocall from the government saying

02:55:26.790 --> 02:55:30.690
your food stamps have been cut by 90%. You're

02:55:30.690 --> 02:55:34.549
now getting $25 a month. Try feeding yourself

02:55:34.549 --> 02:55:39.010
on 90 cents a day in this country. 30 million

02:55:39.010 --> 02:55:44.270
Americans got that call. And that same month,

02:55:44.489 --> 02:55:49.049
we bailed out, we printed $300 billion new dollars.

02:55:49.549 --> 02:55:53.250
to bail out the Silicon Valley Bank. And we topped

02:55:53.250 --> 02:55:56.590
off the Ukraine war commitment to $113 billion.

02:55:56.770 --> 02:56:00.409
So we got lots of money for the military industrial

02:56:00.409 --> 02:56:03.510
complex, lots of money for the bankers, you know,

02:56:03.530 --> 02:56:08.250
the banksters. But we're starving Americans to

02:56:08.250 --> 02:56:12.229
death, starving them. And because of all the

02:56:12.229 --> 02:56:14.770
inflation, we spent $16 trillion on the lockdown.

02:56:14.930 --> 02:56:19.069
We wasted, got nothing for it. $8 trillion on

02:56:19.069 --> 02:56:21.610
the Ukraine war. That's $24 trillion that they

02:56:21.610 --> 02:56:25.950
had to print to pay for nothing. That money,

02:56:26.030 --> 02:56:27.430
the way they're paying it back, they're not going

02:56:27.430 --> 02:56:29.170
to tell us they're raised taxes because you can't

02:56:29.170 --> 02:56:32.149
do that. It's a hidden tax called inflation,

02:56:32.350 --> 02:56:34.629
and it hits the poor and the middle class, and

02:56:34.629 --> 02:56:37.090
it has dismantled the middle class in this country.

02:56:37.690 --> 02:56:41.229
My friends, food bills for basic foods like chicken,

02:56:41.370 --> 02:56:45.629
dairy, and eggs has increased 76 % in two years.

02:56:46.239 --> 02:56:48.979
to pay for the Iraq war or the Ukraine war, the

02:56:48.979 --> 02:56:53.219
Iraq war and the lockdowns. His food prices are

02:56:53.219 --> 02:56:56.239
going up and now the government is selling him

02:56:56.239 --> 02:56:58.200
while we have plenty of money for the military

02:56:58.200 --> 02:57:00.319
and the banks, we don't have it for Americans

02:57:00.319 --> 02:57:05.840
who are hardworking people. Something is not

02:57:05.840 --> 02:57:09.540
right. We're in a crisis in this country and

02:57:09.540 --> 02:57:12.940
we need to start looking at, we need to start

02:57:12.940 --> 02:57:16.719
unraveling the empire. We have 800 bases abroad.

02:57:17.420 --> 02:57:22.040
We were told after in 1992 when the Soviet Union

02:57:22.040 --> 02:57:24.760
collapsed, we were told we were going to get

02:57:24.760 --> 02:57:27.120
a peace dividend. That the military expenditure

02:57:27.120 --> 02:57:30.399
was going to go from $600 billion a year to $200

02:57:30.399 --> 02:57:33.940
billion. And we were going to stop making billion

02:57:33.940 --> 02:57:36.319
-dollar stealth bombers that can't fly in the

02:57:36.319 --> 02:57:38.600
rain. And that we're going to take that money

02:57:38.600 --> 02:57:41.319
home and build schools with it and build infrastructure

02:57:41.319 --> 02:57:44.809
and give health care, good health care. In the

02:57:44.809 --> 02:57:47.409
inner cities. And then none of that happened.

02:57:47.469 --> 02:57:49.610
And today, instead of going down to $200 billion,

02:57:49.850 --> 02:57:51.590
it's gone up. The total military expenditure,

02:57:51.889 --> 02:57:55.790
if you include national security, is $1 .3 billion.

02:57:55.950 --> 02:57:59.389
And it hasn't made us safer. It's made us worse

02:57:59.389 --> 02:58:03.850
off. $1 .3 trillion? $1 .3 trillion. If you include—

02:58:03.850 --> 02:58:06.350
Yeah, I think you said billion. No, $1 .3 trillion.

02:58:06.370 --> 02:58:10.430
If you include national security apparatus and

02:58:10.430 --> 02:58:12.309
all the stuff that you have to walk through at

02:58:12.309 --> 02:58:17.059
the airports. And if you include the $300 billion

02:58:17.059 --> 02:58:21.200
to the veterans, which you can't cut. You know,

02:58:21.219 --> 02:58:25.340
the veterans are, you know, we have 29 a day

02:58:25.340 --> 02:58:29.180
killing themselves. You know, these wars are

02:58:29.180 --> 02:58:31.680
not good for our country or our kids. And we

02:58:31.680 --> 02:58:36.319
need to stop being an empire and instead come

02:58:36.319 --> 02:58:38.739
home, rebuild the middle class, and then project.

02:58:39.779 --> 02:58:42.340
economic power, the way the Chinese do, who are

02:58:42.340 --> 02:58:44.959
eating our lunch because they know not to project

02:58:44.959 --> 02:58:48.659
military power, to project economic power. That's

02:58:48.659 --> 02:58:52.899
how you win the hearts and minds of the world

02:58:52.899 --> 02:58:55.579
and national security. My uncle, John Kennedy,

02:58:55.739 --> 02:59:00.940
did that. He refused to go to war. So he was

02:59:00.940 --> 02:59:03.260
surrounded by military -industrial conflicts.

02:59:04.829 --> 02:59:07.569
And he learned very early at an intelligence

02:59:07.569 --> 02:59:11.090
apparatus that he realized early on that the

02:59:11.090 --> 02:59:13.569
purpose of the CIA and the intelligence apparatus

02:59:13.569 --> 02:59:18.549
was to create a constant pipeline of new wars

02:59:18.549 --> 02:59:23.170
for the military -industrial complex three days

02:59:23.170 --> 02:59:26.629
before he took the oath of office. And Eisenhower,

02:59:26.670 --> 02:59:28.770
who was the outgoing president, gave what is

02:59:28.770 --> 02:59:30.729
probably the most important speech in American

02:59:30.729 --> 02:59:32.850
history, which was, you know, where he warned

02:59:32.850 --> 02:59:34.950
against the military industrial complex. I was

02:59:34.950 --> 02:59:37.250
at my uncle's inauguration. I was in Washington

02:59:37.250 --> 02:59:42.170
that day. You know, a six -year -old boy. And

02:59:42.170 --> 02:59:45.229
I was sitting on the stands behind him in front

02:59:45.229 --> 02:59:49.649
of him during his inauguration. And he understood

02:59:49.649 --> 02:59:52.659
that. And two months later, the military and

02:59:52.659 --> 02:59:54.540
intelligence came to him and said, we got to

02:59:54.540 --> 03:00:00.100
invade Cuba. And he was like, I'm not going to

03:00:00.100 --> 03:00:02.440
Cuba and I'm not going to let the military. And

03:00:02.440 --> 03:00:04.280
they said, well, we got all these Cubans trained

03:00:04.280 --> 03:00:07.879
and they're going to go attack Castro. And he

03:00:07.879 --> 03:00:10.079
said, well, we can't. The U .S. government can't

03:00:10.079 --> 03:00:12.760
be doing that. We can't be attacking. I don't

03:00:12.760 --> 03:00:14.959
like what Castro is doing down there, but it's

03:00:14.959 --> 03:00:17.959
not the United States' job to dictate. What kind

03:00:17.959 --> 03:00:21.540
of governments other countries have? And they

03:00:21.540 --> 03:00:24.479
said, well, as soon as they land, there's going

03:00:24.479 --> 03:00:26.760
to be a big revolution. Everybody's going to

03:00:26.760 --> 03:00:28.399
rise up and they're going to overthrow Castro.

03:00:28.579 --> 03:00:30.600
And he said, well, you can't use the U .S. military.

03:00:30.639 --> 03:00:33.100
And they ended up bringing those guys over with

03:00:33.100 --> 03:00:38.100
United Fruit boats. And in the middle of it,

03:00:38.120 --> 03:00:39.579
in the night, they came to him and said, they're

03:00:39.579 --> 03:00:41.719
getting wiped out on the beach and you need to

03:00:41.719 --> 03:00:44.360
send in the military and invade. And he said.

03:00:45.520 --> 03:00:48.420
We're not going to do it. And he he stepped out

03:00:48.420 --> 03:00:51.719
of that meeting and he realized they had been

03:00:51.719 --> 03:00:54.559
lying to him and trying to trick him. And he

03:00:54.559 --> 03:00:57.379
said, I want to take the CIA and shatter it into

03:00:57.379 --> 03:00:59.559
a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds.

03:00:59.940 --> 03:01:04.239
And and then, you know, for the next thousand

03:01:04.239 --> 03:01:08.319
days of his presidency, he was at war with his

03:01:08.319 --> 03:01:11.139
military and intelligence apparatus. They tried

03:01:11.139 --> 03:01:13.610
to get him to go into Laos. He said no. They

03:01:13.610 --> 03:01:16.610
tried to get him to go into Vietnam with the

03:01:16.610 --> 03:01:19.250
combat troops. They said that we need 250 ,000

03:01:19.250 --> 03:01:23.030
combat troops. He refused. Everybody around him

03:01:23.030 --> 03:01:26.229
wanted him to go into Vietnam. He sent 16 ,000

03:01:26.229 --> 03:01:29.809
military advisors. That's fewer people than he

03:01:29.809 --> 03:01:34.549
sent to get James Meredith into Ole Miss in Jackson,

03:01:34.670 --> 03:01:36.750
Mississippi, to get one black man into school.

03:01:37.110 --> 03:01:39.389
He sent fewer to Vietnam. They weren't allowed

03:01:39.389 --> 03:01:42.379
to fight. Many of them did. They both violated

03:01:42.379 --> 03:01:46.479
the rules of engagement. In October of 1963,

03:01:46.879 --> 03:01:51.700
he heard that some of his Green Berets had been

03:01:51.700 --> 03:01:53.700
killed over there. And he said, I want a total

03:01:53.700 --> 03:01:57.399
casualty, Liz, from Vietnam. And his aide came

03:01:57.399 --> 03:02:01.780
to him and said, 75 Americans have died. He said,

03:02:01.799 --> 03:02:05.360
that's too many. And he signed that day a national

03:02:05.360 --> 03:02:07.680
security order ordering all troops out of Vietnam,

03:02:07.799 --> 03:02:11.110
U .S. troops. The first 1 ,000 over the next

03:02:11.110 --> 03:02:14.149
month and then the rest by the beginning of 1965.

03:02:15.569 --> 03:02:23.309
And then a month later, he was killed. But what

03:02:23.309 --> 03:02:27.129
his view was is that he believed that the view

03:02:27.129 --> 03:02:31.129
of Americans abroad should not be a soldier with

03:02:31.129 --> 03:02:33.329
a gun. It should be a Peace Corps volunteer.

03:02:34.309 --> 03:02:37.670
building, you know, wells, and it should be USAID

03:02:37.670 --> 03:02:40.389
helping poor people, and it should be Alliance

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for Progress building middle class. And that's

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what he did. And he just started the Kennedy

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Milk Program to, you know, give nutrition to

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poor kids all over the world. As a result of

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that, in Africa today, there are more statues

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to John Kennedy, more boulevards named after

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him, more hospitals, schools, universities, avenues,

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and all the major cities named after him than

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any other president. And that is – the Chinese

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have taken that template and done the same thing

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now. And they are – all these countries that

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were supposedly allied with us are now realigned

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with the Chinese and they're switching to their

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currency because the Chinese are not there to

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kill people. They're there to build roads, to

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build universities, to build colleges. And it

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turns out that people like that a lot more. And,

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you know, we should be projecting economic power

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around the globe and not military power. It will

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make us much stronger. But what do you think

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happens when you get into office? Like if you're

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talking about your uncle who was assassinated

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and you believe the intelligence agencies were

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part of that, what happens to you? Well, I've

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got to be careful. You know, I'm aware of that,

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and I'm not, you know, I'm aware of that danger,

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and, you know, I don't live in fear of it, you

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know, at all. But I'm not stupid about it, and

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I take precautions. So, you know, I do things

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that I don't want to do, and I live my life now,

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you know, in ways that I don't want to. I like

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to be out. shaking hands with people and going

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alone into communities and there's things I can't

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do anymore. But I do it because I know those

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risks exist and I know that I pose a big threat

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to many vested interests and that there is a

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danger in that. Well, I think we'll wrap it up

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here. That was three hours. Joe, thank you so

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much. Thank you. Thank you very much. I really

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appreciate talking to you. I appreciate your

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courage and your conviction and just the way

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you think. Appreciate it very much. Thank you.

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Thank you. All right. Bye, everybody.