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by night, all day. We're up. What's happening,
my brother? I'm hanging out. Dude, you look fucking
great. I told you that when I saw you, but I
want to tell you on air. You look fucking great,
man. You said you lost 60? Like 60. I was like
240. Now I'm like 185. That's amazing. Yes, sir.
And you did it just by cutting out soda. Yeah,
I don't drink. A lot of shows. Yeah, like shows,
soda. Soda's so bad. It's so bad. It's so bad,
but it's so good. I'll have a soda. I'm a bad
boy, and I have a monster energy. Every now and
then. But Celsius is so good, too. Have you had
one of those? Yeah, I have. They're good. It's
so good. The key to those things is just every
now and then. That's the thing. Every now and
then, you reward yourself with a Coca -Cola.
You're like, ah, this is nice. On these hot Texas
days, I've been here. We did Dallas two days
yesterday. Back to back. Yesterday and the night
before. I'm coming to see you tomorrow night.
Let's go. I'm coming to Houston. Let's go. Let's
go. Did you buy tickets? Yeah. Aw, Joe, you didn't
have to do that. Because if you said we hooked
you up, I was like, what the hell? I didn't know.
But since you said you'd buy them, thank you
so much for coming. My pleasure. My pleasure.
I'm excited. Me too, man. I'm excited, man. But
yeah, especially out in this heat, dude. Just
like, you know what? I had a great show. You
know what? I'm feeling a little bit naughty.
I'm going to have myself Coke on ice. Yeah. So
good. Reward yourself. The problem is when people
do it all day, every day. Yeah. Your body doesn't
know what to do with that kind of sugar because
it's so unnatural. Your body never gets sugar
like that in the wild. You get sugar in fruit.
When you have a glass of sugar water, it's just
pouring right into your bloodstream. Your body's
like, what the fuck is this? I like guarana.
Ooh, that's good stuff. That is crazy stuff.
Yeah. It's naturally caffeinated or something?
Yeah, the berries. It's crazy. Yeah, that's acai.
That's the same thing as when you get an acai
bowl. That's guarana. That's the berries. Man,
I remember going to Brazil the first time, and
I was like, oh, this soda's so good. And also,
I was like... bouncing off the wall fucking like
I'm like oh my god dude I feel crazy right now.
It's delicious though. It's so good. What is
that called? Guarana? What is the name of that
soda? I think that's what it's called by Antarctica.
Is that what it is? I think it's an Antarctica
brand. Not from Antarctica. Super legit. They
know how to eat over there too. In Antarctica?
No in Brazil. Guarana Antarctica. Yeah there
it is. That stuff's the shit. Dude and they give
you a beer. You go down to the Like the beach,
and they give you a beer in like this rock that's
like ice cold. Well, I don't know if it's a rock,
but whatever it is. Ceramic? I don't know, but
it's really cold. And the beer is like the coldest
beer I've ever had. And it was so good. On the
beach. It was so good. They know how to party
down there on the beach in Brazil. It's so fun.
Yeah, it's a great country. We're going down
there for a tour. Nice. So we got a lot of tours.
So we're doing this U .S. tour. Then we're doing
seven days off. Then we go to South America,
I think. So I'm excited. Wow. Have you performed
in South America before? Yes, sir. Yeah? Yeah,
rock in Rio and stuff. And it's so much fun,
man. Yeah? They love music. It's, like, so much
fun. It's just, like, there's not, like, a piece,
like, an ounce of hate in the whole crowd. Everybody's
just having such a great time. And that makes
me... more excited, you know? Because, like,
you know, sometimes I'll go do these shows, like,
a lot of, like, more corporate shows where I'm
just like, hey, do you guys even really like
me or know who I am? But it's like everybody
there is just having so much fun. Right. The
corporate ones are weird, right? It's so, it's,
I have fun, but a lot of the time it's like you
can't read the crowd because everybody's, you
know, I feel like more like a Like a jazz band
or like a lounge band at a restaurant or something,
you know? Right. Which is weird. It's weird.
It's weird that they want to pay that much money
to have someone come and then it's just that
you're a big name and it's like, look, we got
Post Malone, but, you know, I'm over here talking
to somebody, not paying attention. And, yeah,
I don't know. You know, people who pay to come
to the show, I'm like, okay, you guys paid. You
guys definitely, you guys at least know who I
am for sure. But yeah, I'm not sure. I can't
read the crowd. I went to my friend Dana White,
and he had a birthday party when he was 40, and
they hired Stone Temple Pilots. Sick. It was
sick. Sick. First of all, those motherfuckers
performed like there was 80 ,000 people there.
And it was one of those things where we had to
get people to stop and pay attention. Guys, fucking
Stone Temple Pilots is here. Yeah, I don't know.
But they went hard. I mean, they did a, like,
full energy show. It was very impressive. It
was, like, very inspirational. It's like, wow,
these guys are at a birthday party. Yeah. And
they're giving them fucking Stone Temple Pilots.
Yeah, that's badass. It was badass. It was amazing.
It was amazing. I don't know if I could, like,
you just hear a fucking interstate love song.
Yeah. And you're like, how do you talk? How do
you, how do you not just like, how are you like,
what the, wait, I don't know. Well, just, you
know, hobnobbing. That's the thing. Hobnobbing.
And you go to those things like, and everybody's
already hobnobbing. So people like social networking
and there's people with motives and they're trying
to be more friendly with the guy at the top and
this kind of shit. And then all of a sudden.
But they fucking went hard. They went hard like
they had the best fans in the world, and there
was like 80 ,000 of them. It was a fucking amazing
show. It was so impressive, man. It was so impressive.
Another band with Stone, Queens of the Stone
Age. Oh, those guys are great. I want to see
them. I have not seen them live, but I had Josh
on the show. How was he? Very cool guy. We had
a good friend in Bourdain. Yeah, he was good
friends with a poor day, too He's a fucking interesting
dude though. Very interesting dude and their
music is fucking it's so smart. So interesting
Yeah, it's so smart. Yeah, it's it's it's so
distinctive like their music is so distinctive
like you hear a song It sounds like them right,
you know he's got a voice man and he can write
a hell of a song hell of a song yeah it's just
i don't know like some of the stuff they do i'm
like how do you even think of that right there's
so many artists like that but i'm like in that
setting and then that first record with with
dave like just yeah banging on dude oh my god
it's so it's so good yeah it's so good well we're
at an amazing time for art For both music and
a lot of other things, too. There's just so much
good shit out there now. That's true. But I figured,
you know, that the way things are moving, I got
like four or five months before people like the
Robot songs more than my songs. I don't think
that's ever going to happen. Because I hear some
of them, and I'm like, oh, man, that's so good,
dude. Who wrote that? Was it ChatGPT who wrote
that? Fuck, man, that's a great song. It is a
great song, but people will know. People will
know. Sure. Like there's women that do not want
diamonds that were made in a lab. Sure. Which
is crazy because it's just a diamond. Like they
have an ability now to man make diamonds. They
have some crazy machine and they compress carbon
and they can make diamonds. But women only like
them if they're coming out of the ground. Well,
I know how to make gold. Really? Yeah. I can
turn anything into gold. I watched a video on
it. You watched YouTube? Yeah. Alchemy? Yeah,
I was watching a little alchemy video. So all
you need to do is ferment your piss for like
a year or so, and then you're good. And then
eat it. Then eat it, by the way. You got to eat
your piss? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's how you make
gold? Yeah, I think so. That's what they were
saying. People used to try to make gold. They
used to try to figure out a way to make gold.
Isaac Newton. Did he really? Yeah, he was super
into alchemy. Like one of the smartest dudes
ever. Oh, if you could figure out, I mean, I
guess back then they probably thought, I wonder
if you can. I wonder if there is some way to
do it with a certain amount of energy that we
don't currently possess where you can take other
metals and turn them into different metals. I
mean, diamonds. I mean, that's a pressure thing.
Spray paint. Yeah. You can make anything gold,
really. I love gold. Fool's gold. Yeah. I have
a friend who lives up in Alaska and he owns a
gold mine. Have you ever seen the Boneyard Instagram
page? No, sir. It's insane. He's got this area
in Alaska that apparently there was a mass die
off there that probably had something to do with
a comet impact somewhere around the Younger Dryas
period. And there's tons of woolly mammoth bones
there. He has warehouses filled with them. And
it's all his land. And he's a gold miner. And
he's wealthy. And he doesn't give a fuck. This
guy Johnny comes on here smoking cigarettes,
telling the story of his life. And he's got warehouses
full of priceless stone bones. These fucking
ancient... Like cave bear heads and step bisons.
That's a junk drawer. This is the most valuable
shit in the world. That's crazy. He's got warehouses
filled with it. Was that an ariak? I don't know
what the fuck that is. It's like a horn stem.
He's got teeth and horns and they found certain
cats. What is that? They don't know what that
is yet. They found that. It's mummified. It's
a tiny little mummified creature. Oh, that's
one of them Alaskan chupacabras. They have to
get that examined. He has so much shit. He's
kind of an expert on it now, but he kind of has
to bring people in to tell them, hey, what the
fuck is this? Yeah, that's crazy. They just hose
the side of this cliff. They just hose down the
permafrost, and then bones start poking up. And
then they go in further, and they've just been
doing this for years now. It's insane. That's
so cool. It's fucking cool. You never know what
you're going to get. They find dinosaurs and
stuff over there? They haven't found dinosaurs.
It's all stuff from... I guess it's a woolly
mammoth, a dinosaur? No, a woolly mammoth's an
ancient elephant. Right. How long did they exist
for? Did they hang out with dinosaurs? No. Okay,
so they were never hanging out with dinos. You
never saw a T -Rex or a Spinosaurus and a woolly
mammoth hanging out? No. I'd like to go to that
party, though. I think the T -Rexes would have
ate them all. You know what I just found out?
This is fucking crazy. Sharks are older than
trees. Sharks have existed forever. before trees
existed i get what like 50 million years before
trees there were sharks that's crazy that's crazy
so i i mean i don't know maybe it makes sense
since yeah look at that here it goes so uh trees
uh it's so weird to just talk about trees is
like did you hear sharks was older than trees
like there are two people So trees as we familiarly
know them, a primary trunk, large height, and
a crown of leaves and fronds, didn't appear on
the planet until the Devonian period some 360
million years ago. You might be surprised to
learn that sharks are older than trees. They've
been around for at least 400 million years. That's
crazy. That's fucking bonkers. So, I mean, did
life come? Life was... From the water? Yeah,
most likely. So, I mean, it kind of makes sense,
I guess. But imagine just like what shark went
up onto the land and became a tree. You know
what I mean? I don't think it worked that way.
Well, I don't know how it worked. I wasn't there.
But there must have been like some kind of amoeba
or life form that slid up onto land and was like,
I'm going to be... I'm going to be a plant. I'm
going to be a tree. Yeah. And then another guy's
like, you can fucking be a tree. I'm being this
fucking massive aquatic creature that can just
bite anything in half. What's bizarre is when
you think of the variety, just the sheer variety
of life forms that exist on this planet, both
plants and animals and mushrooms, which breathe
air. Mushrooms breathe air like we do. That's
pretty cool. Yeah. They don't do the photosynthesis
thing. Well, now I feel bad. They don't. Well,
don't. I just ate. I think they want you to.
I have a theory. He does. They're trying to get
in there. Are they? Yeah, I think so. You should
do an experiment and have a mushroom. You know
how they do, like, how trees go towards the light?
They end up growing more towards where there's
the most light? Yeah. If, like, the shroom grows
towards a human. Like, eat me. I don't think
they grow towards humans, but one of the... Have
you ever heard of the stone tape theory? No,
sir. The stone date theory is there's this guy
who's an ethnobotanist and like a psychedelic
guru. His name is Terrence McKenna. And Terrence
McKenna had this theory, and it coincides with
the – there's a lot of interesting things about
it, but it's about the doubling of the human
brain size. Apparently, the doubling of the human
brain size is the biggest mystery in the entire
fossil record because it happened fairly quickly.
It happened over a period of like two million
years. I missed that boat. Yeah. I don't think
you did, dude. I don't think you did. You're
smart as fuck. Shut the fuck up. Thank you, sir.
But this time period was when lower – so what
happened was that the climate changed and the
rainforest receded into grasslands. And so a
lot of these hominids came out of the trees and
they started experimenting with different food
sources. Oh, there's like a whole video about
it. So these mushrooms grew on – On cow shit.
So they've observed all these different primates
flipping over cow patties and eating beetles
and grubs on them. Sure, sure. And they would
probably experiment with the mushrooms that grow
on them. And his thought was that mushrooms in
low doses increase visual acuity, so it makes
you a better hunter. It emphasizes a sense of
community, so it would make you have better tribal
interactions. That would benefit. It makes people
horny. That would benefit breeding. And then
there's also, like, his brother Dennis McKenna,
he explained it to me, but I'll fuck it up if
I try to recall it. But it's essentially that
some of the elements and how psilocybin interacts
with your mind, it helps the facilitation of
language. And he thinks that all those things
coincided with climate change. So as these rainforests
receded, these... Lower hominids came out, tried
mushrooms, started eating them and kept eating
them for millions of years. And that was a part
of the diet. And as they did this and as they
understood what to get and what to eat, they
looked for it and they ate it all the time. And
it probably gave them a lot of ideas for how
to make tools. It probably gave them ideas like
how to harness fire. And he thinks it's the source
of human evolution. Shroomies. Shrooms. That's
amazing. Amazing. I believe it. And they're illegal,
which is hilarious. Are they? Imagine that. Yeah.
Federally. They're federally. Yeah. They grow
whether you like them or not. Not that I have
them there. My buddy Duncan lived in Asheville,
North Carolina, and they had so many shrooms
that were growing on cow shit that they started
giving the cows a certain kind of feed to discourage
the fungus growth. They put chemicals in their
feed to kill the fucking fungus, the most natural
thing. Can you get in trouble? Say you have a
bunch of cattle, right? Can you get in trouble
and then someone from the DEA shows up and starts
flipping over your patties? That would be a hard
thing. I mean, they'd have to really be going
after you because obviously that shit just grows
naturally. Right. And it's not like, you don't
have to do anything. They're everywhere. They're
everywhere. Like Duncan said, it's like there's
– because the way mushrooms work is there's spores,
right? But then there's the most of the – what
you see that pops out of the ground is like the
fruit of the actual mushroom. Right. The real
mushroom is underground. The real mushroom is
the mycelium, the spore, all the stuff that connects
all of the vegetable life, all the vegetation
life form together. Does that have psilocybin?
Some of it does. I think just the fruiting bodies
probably do. Just the ones that come out of the
earth are probably the ones. I don't know, though.
I don't know that. I wonder if there's like worms
down there getting high as fuck. They probably
are. Little critters. They're probably connecting.
They're probably connecting. very weird way they
get to get to the roots and just take like a
big and then they're like oh my fucking god yeah
i'm so high just absorbing it absorbing it through
the soil they're just absorbing oh the see that's
good maybe imagine it's all just in there and
then like you get some like shroom corn so you
can just eat like a an ear of corn and yeah get
super Fucking rocked. Well, you know, they used
to accidentally get high because they would get
ergot, would poison their wheat and their barley.
So it's like a certain fungus that grows on wheat,
and it gives you an LSD -like effect. And they
think that that might have been the source of
the Salem witch trials. Wow. Because at the time
where this was taking place, they had apparently
had a late frost, or an early frost, rather.
And apparently when they have an early frost,
it... makes these plants more subject to ergot
poisoning and then they did some samples on some
soil samples they did find ergot i think they
might have even like tested some things and found
ergot in them but they so what they think was
happening was these people were getting bad wheat
that had ergot poisoning and so a lot of them
would die because like there was a big one a
big breakout of ergot poisoning in france A few
years back. Not a few years back. Quite a while
back. But it was the same kind of thing. A bunch
of people died from ergot, and other people were
just tripping balls. I was going to make an ergot
joke, but I was going to say, didn't Hugh Jackman
win an ergot? Does he have an ergot, though?
Sorry to go off topic. What is an ergot? It's
like an Emmy, Grammy. Oscar and Tony, I think
is what it is. Oh, that's what it is, right.
Yeah, he's probably got all those, right? He's
so talented. Yeah, that guy can do everything.
He's missing an Oscar for that guy. Oh, come
on, Hugh. How does a man have an Oscar for Wolverine?
I know. What the fuck? What are they, communists?
What the fuck's going on? That guy's awesome.
He's amazing. He was jacked, man. He got jacked
for Wolverine. He got fucking jacked. He's amazing.
He does it all? Yeah. He's like Will Smith. Will
Smith can do everything. It's so cool. Yeah.
There's people out there like Jamie Foxx. You
can do anything. Anything. Anything. Bieber can
do anything. Anything. It's crazy. I'm like,
just much like the double brain size thing, I
miss the boat on those jeans. But you didn't
miss it for making music. It's like your brain
is designed specifically for what you do. It's
what's beautiful. It's like you found the thing
that your brain works perfectly for. Everybody's
brain is different, man. Yes, sir. Autotune really
unlocked a whole lot of opportunity for me. So
thank you, Antares, our inventor of said program.
Don't you think that as ChatGPT can make Post
Malone songs, people are still going to want
to know it came from you? That's going to be
more valuable to people. There's people that
love your songs just because they sound good.
Yes, sir. But there's also people that love your
songs because they come from you. Yes, sir. I
understand that. I guess the thing that I'm concerned
is pretty soon, you can still tell if it's an
AI song, right? Right. Now. But the way that
it's moving, like, I don't know. My buddy, Lou,
Louis Bell, he produces a bunch of my stuff,
and we write together, and he's the most talented,
smart dude ever. But he taught me about, like,
epochs. and how many epochs a better AI template
is. And pretty soon, dude, it's going to be really,
really good. It's just going so fast. So I don't
know. Yeah. But then they'll just do a video.
It'll be like, guys, I made this song. It's so
emotional. This really comes from my heart. But
it's just a robot talking. I don't know. Not
a robot. More like a deep fake or something.
Like, guys, I wrote this song crazy, and it's
just an AI song. And I'm like, well, fuck, that's
better than anything I could have ever made.
So I don't know. It's not going to be better.
I think there's a thing about something coming
from an artist. As they're doing all these amazing
AI images, they're very cool to look at. But
to me, it's cooler if I know a person made them.
It definitely is cooler. I don't know. It's just
like, I feel like we look at it different. Like,
I feel like the attention span is getting so
short now with like short form content and stuff
like that. And it's super instant gratification.
So it's like, why as a fan of someone, right?
Even as a fan in a couple of years, I don't see
why they're like, hey, I want. Post Malone to
make a song about this thing that specifically
happened to me with the specific person's name
in it, with this stuff, and this is super relatable
to me, and that's what I want. So then you can
just type in the prompt, all this shit, and it'll
just shit you out a song, and it'll be the most
personalized experience for you. That's weird.
Isn't that weird? That's fucking weird. But that's
exactly where it's going. Yeah, 100%. 100%. There's
a ton of fake advertisements online right now
of me. Yeah. Selling products. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's just my voice. This is the most amazing
thing ever. Yeah, and I got suckered out of it
figuring out you never bought those boner pills.
You never endorsed those boner pills. And I was
like, oh, they're good enough for Joe. I mean,
fuck. They didn't work. There's so many things
that are selling. They're selling so many things.
I found like 10 of them. It's weird. Yeah, it's
crazy. They can get, it's pretty close. You can
kind of tell when you listen. Something's off.
There's the uncanny valley, I guess. There's
something off, but it's pretty close. You do
a podcast, so talking about like Epoch. So I
guess you know Epoch's in like AI. Yeah, so you
have so many because your job is literally just
talking to silence. You know what I mean? There's
no music. There's no background noise. There's
no nothing. You're just having a conversation.
Right. And so they can take... all of your episodes
and just run it through this thing. And so it's
all your nuance and intricacies in the way you
talk and shit like that. You know, your breasts,
all that stuff. They have all of it because it's
uninterrupted by, you know, music or background.
They'll probably even be able to figure out a
way to get you to make noises you've never made
just by knowing the range that you have that's
possible. Like, uh? Yeah, like some kind of weird
scream or something. Now they got that one. They'll
be able to just know what the shape of your vocal
box was. I think that's one of the ways that
when they look at ancient primates, they test
the size of where the opening of the mouth and
what kind of sounds they could make and what
that shit would sound like. Yeah, that's so weird
how like... Were they wrong about the noises
that dinosaurs make? I don't think they know.
I don't think they know. I mean, if you watch
Jurassic Park, it's just whatever sounds cool.
Because if you ask someone to make a dinosaur
noise, they're going to do like, ah! Right, but
what benefit would it be for a dinosaur to make
noise? The thing is that no lizards make noise.
Komodo dragons don't make noise. Crocodiles don't
make noise. No reptiles make noise. No snakes
make noise. So why would we ever think that dinosaurs
would be so stupid that they'd just be yelling?
Well, rattlesnakes, exactly. They just run around,
like, scaring off everything they're trying to.
Alligators growl. They do growl. Okay, alligators
growl. But they don't roar. They don't bark or
anything. Right. That's a cool sound for sure.
It's probably a burp. He's probably eating someone's
foot right now. Swallowing someone's fucking
sneaker. Look at that creep. Fucking creeps.
They're such creeps. They've been around longer
than dinosaurs, too. Oh, yeah. Or during the
time of dinosaurs. They used to be so big, man.
Oh, my God. They used to be so big. I like that
noise. It's a pretty dope noise. It sounds like
a fucking nasty growler. It literally sounds
like it's being amplified by a porcelain bowl
there. Long day. Long day eating fucking shrooms.
That's exactly what it sounds like. Yeah, Sloppy
Joe's and a couple of beers. Not the Sloppy Joe's.
Sloppy Joe's will get you, son. They will get
you. I mean, it's almost like they come pre -digested.
Yeah, it's perfect. It's going to slip right
through the whole system. There's zero resistance
with a sloppy joe. It goes out the exact same
way it came in. Just lubed up and ready to go.
I'm never going to eat another one again. They're
delicious. They are so good. They're delicious.
At a fucking barbecue, a good solid sloppy joe.
Damn. Well, there's nothing solid about it. Yeah,
nothing solid. Yeah, a good one. You know? You've
been eating Terry Black's? Oh, yes. Yeah. Yeah,
we get it delivered to the club a lot, too. They're
amazing. It's just like, you can't have bad barbecue
and survive out here. I'm interested about the
move. Have you had, like, you found your, like,
this place is amazing. Thank you. But the move
here, because last time I was on, we were talking.
It's been three years. And that was right before
you moved, you said. Yeah. I don't know. I love...
Whenever I moved here, it was amazing. Like,
the food fucking just blew me away. The people
are so cool. It's just great being out of L .A.
L .A., look, there's a lot of cool people in
L .A. I loved it. I lived there for a long time.
But it's so tense. There's so many people. And
I don't think people are supposed to live that
jammed up like that. I just don't think it's
good for you. I mean, maybe it's different for
other people. Maybe they like that feeling. I
have friends that live in New York City. They
fucking love the beep, beep. Fuck you. They love
it. They love it. They love that crime is up.
These people are maniacs. They feel like they're
real. They feel like it's dangerous. Sure. They're
out there in the street. Sure. But me, I like
to be, I like to relax. Me too. Yeah. I mean,
that's like, being on tour too and being in the
hotels and going to, because I lived in LA for
like five years and but being in on tour and
being in the hotels like and like New York and
Boston and it is so noisy and then you go back
to Utah and you're like oh my god it's crazy
it's crazy yeah it's crazy it it's it's like
it's night and day and you never really if you
live in those like environments you never really
notice it yeah you never really notice like a
helicopter going by every 30 seconds or whatever.
But then you're out in Utah and you're like,
oh my God, this is so much quieter. I think there's
just a, I think people give off something that
probably we can't put on a scale. But there's
like an energy that people give off. That's one
of the reasons why people like crowds. I think
people, when they're around a bunch of other
people, they give off a kind of energy. And I
think when there's too much of that, like a place
like L .A. or New York in particular, because
New York is just jammed. Everybody's stacked
on top of each other. I think there's this buzz
that's like always there that some people really
enjoy. It scares me. It's an anxious feeling
for me. Whenever I was out there, I had my baby
and my doctor was out there. So whenever her
mom was... you know, towards the end of her pregnancy.
And we were like, okay, we're getting ready.
We had the baby in L .A. And so, like, we were
there so we could see the doctor and, you know,
she can go into labor or whatever at any minute.
So we were there for a couple months and stuff.
And I would go outside at night and I'm like,
oh, my God. Like, it felt like impending. doom
for some reason helicopters fucking yeah and
there's just noise noise noise and i'm like it
was so thick yeah i was like where is it all
coming from you know like i don't know it just
gave it's such an anxious feeling for me to go
outside and i'm like it's so like it sounded
like i know it did didn't happen and i don't
know what this sounds like but just like it felt
like the aliens could invade at any time. You
know? It was just like, I was like, oh, I know
something's coming, man. It's scary. Yeah. Well,
I think there's a thing that happens when there's
too many people where people don't interact with
each other too. Which feels weird because then
you feel like all these people that you're running
into, like their potential problems or their
potential threats or their potential annoyances.
Like, let me get away from these people. Sure.
And it's just, that's not how it is when there's,
Few people right when you walk down the street
in a small town and you see something like what's
up, dude It's just when it's thousands of them
and they're all around you nobody talks to anybody
Yeah, like you don't strike up a casual conversation
when you're in a crowded line filled with people
walking down the street, right? People don't
talk everybody's got their own shit. Yeah, and
and and it's so weird like you look at like even
a hundred years ago Like people would sit down
like on a bench and just be like what's up yeah
how are you like have and have like conversations
yeah and i was i don't remember exactly where
i was but i think i was in new york doing something
and there was a guy i was doing like a show and
we were in this building and there was like a
smoking area outside and there was this guy playing
chess with himself and and my buddy goes up and
he's like hey And I play chess with you. And
it was like, yeah. And it's just like how shit
would have gone like a hundred years ago. But
now it's just like, I don't want to talk to anybody.
Like, you know, it's so fucking weird, man. It's
just like, we don't, we don't have like that
interaction. Cause we got, we got so much shit
to do. Everybody got kind of hoodwinked into
this idea that the key to a successful life is
working more than you should. Sure. And that
that's the way. It is kind of the way to get
ahead. I mean, it is a competition, and there
are people out there that are going to hustle
harder than you. But if you're not enjoying yourself,
if you don't balance it out with enjoying yourself,
you're going to have a shitty existence. And
the whole point is to have a good existence,
have a fun existence. Sure. It's not just about
success, but everybody's so driven to just get
ahead that it's hard for them to separate those
two and realize there's a balance. Like you can't
drink Coca -Cola all day. There's a balance.
You drink it occasionally. And that balance,
you can achieve it, but it's very hard to when
you've got your eyes on the prize. Yeah, and
finding that balance is the hardest part. By
no means the most talented person or anything
like that. But I did work really hard and autotune
fucking saved my ass. Once again, shout out.
But, I mean, work hard and get autotuned. But
not too hard. But that's, I mean, that's it.
You want to, like, taking the time and, like,
having this baby was so cool, man. Like, it is
so cool to be a dad. And you're like. It's wild,
right? This is what I was missing out. This is
a magical, magical thing. Yeah, there's a bunch
of my friends who don't ever want kids. I'm like,
dude, I get it, but you're missing something.
You don't have to. You don't have to. And I do
not like that pressure that people put on people,
especially once they have kids. Well, it's mostly
your grandma or something. It's like, when are
you going to have a baby? But there's also a
bunch of people that want you to stop being like
Peter Pan. They want you to settle down. Never
stop being like Peter Pan. Ever. I don't remember
who I was talking to, but I was like, the goal
of life is to be a kid forever. For sure. I mean,
and now with like everything that we have in
place right now, it's almost impossible. It's
almost impossible, but that's the goal. The goal
is to have as much money as you need to never
have to worry about it. Yes. So you can actually
go and live life. yes as a fucking kid and just
eat fucking chicken nuggets and fucking go run
around in the desert and go eat worms and shit
well i don't do that but have fun exactly yeah
have fun and people when they are serious about
something especially like we're talking about
people have their eyes on the prize they're trying
to get ahead it's hard for them to disconnect
and have fun my wife taught me how to do it I
really used to have a hard time with it. I used
to have a hard time with vacations because I
always felt like I was missing work, like stuff
I should be doing. But it's just a mindset that
I learned how to slide into. And I learned how
to chill at the end of the days too. I never
used to know how to chill at the end of the day.
I would just stay ramped up until I was tired,
wake up, and go, let's fucking go. And it's just
not sustainable. It is sustainable. I did it
for a long time. But I don't think it's mentally
sustainable. Right. I think the mind is the...
Your mind, it's not a good headspace to be in
all the time. You need to be enjoying this shit.
You need to be able to just fucking, it's so.
timeless but it's so true stop and fucking smell
the fucking roses i mean they smell good man
they certainly do they're so cute too my baby
was like we had flowers delivered to the room
and she would like hold it up to my nose and
like you smell this shit because this shit is
so cool and i'm like oh that's so cute a baby
knows that you can smell it too she smells it
and she wants you to smell it yeah pretty wild
yep she got the double brain i got that Back
to the vacation. Sorry, I wanted to say something
about that too. Have you ever been, I don't know
how your family is or how your buddies are, but
have you ever been on a vacation and the people
who plan the vacation are super militant about
the itinerary and you can't even vacation? Do
you know what I'm talking about? I do know what
you're talking about, but fortunately I haven't
experienced one of those. It is cursed. I've
seen it. I've seen people go through it. You're
in this beautiful place, and they're like, all
right, guys, so 6 a .m. tomorrow morning. You
guys are up. It's like 3 o 'clock, and you're
all drunk, and everybody's like, all right, so
you're going to get up at 6, right? You're going
to be up at 6 to go fucking do something in the
sun, and it's the hottest of all time after three
hours of sleep. And I'm like, yep, I'll be there.
You don't want to be mean and be like. I'm not
going. And then you also, then you get FOMO.
I don't think it's mean. I don't think it's mean.
I think it's kind of mean to tell you what to
do. Yeah. Especially if you're on vacation. Yeah,
Greg. Yeah, Greg. No, I don't know Greg. Fuck
Greg. But maybe it's some cool shit, like we're
going to go marlin fishing. We've got to be up
at 5 a .m. That sounds cool. We all agreed to
it, and we chartered the boat, so we've got to
get up. Okay, let's go. I caught a shark in the
Maldives. Did you really? Yeah. Really? Yeah.
It was super random. Yeah? We went to the Maldives,
and we started throwing lines out on the boat,
and we caught grouper and all that stuff, and
we were using just little inch pieces of bait
and regular line, and I cast my line out, and
I started bringing it back, and I was like, oh,
I'm on a rock. I'm on a rock. But then the rock
was like, okay, maybe this isn't a rock. And
so we sat and fought it for like 25 minutes,
and it was a nine -foot nurse shark. Holy shit.
Yeah, totally on accident. With this much bait
and just a regular line. Yeah, nurse sharks are,
that's sad because that's a sweet shark. Of course.
Yeah, yeah, of course. But I was like. But she
got a fucking hook in her face. Yeah, I know.
It was so random. I was like, I thought I caught
a rock because that's usually all I catch whenever
I go fishing. You know what's fucking weird?
What's really weird about fishing is catch and
release. Catch and release fishing is fucking
weird. For sharks? For any kind of fish. It's
fucking, it's kind of weird. Why so? Because
you're just doing it for fun. Right. Sure. Sure.
You're not doing it for food. Sure. And you're
essentially risking this animal's life. Sure.
with a hook deep in its throat, and you're hoping
it's going to survive. What if you gilled it?
What if it got deep into the gills with a Rapala
with the big old treble hooks, and it's bleeding
internally? Fuck, don't make me feel bad, man.
No, it's just a weird thing that people do. It
was an accident. Not you, man. I'm not even talking
about that. People specifically, I've done it.
I'm a hypocrite. I've done it before. Well, you
go catch and release fishing just because it's
fun. And just toss them back. Yeah, like people
do that with fly fishing. Yeah, or you catch
something tiny and you throw it back. With fly
fishing, there's actually an argument that it's
not that big of a deal because fly fishermen,
a lot of them use barbless hooks. So they can
remove it very easily. Sure. And then maybe the
fish can even... get it free if it jumps in the
air. But when they catch them, a lot of fly fishermen
are just catching releasing trout. I've never
been fly fishing, but my brother's super into
it, and he loves it. It's very relaxing. He loves
it. You need a lot of concentration. It's kind
of like archery in that respect. It requires
all of your concentration as you're casting the
line, and you've got to figure out how to get
the perfect amount of whip so it rolls over and
the fly presents itself right in front of the
water hole, and you creep it with your... fingers
you're doing everything with your hands you're
not reeling in with a reel sure you know everything
is done with your hands you kind of like even
when you're like giving the the fish line like
if it's really pulling and you already have a
a tiny uh leader you got to give them a little
line you're kind of doing it with touch and feel
it's very like tactile it's a dance yeah it's
very much a dance it's the what you know i love
all kinds of fishing but If you go to a creek
where people are fly fishing and you use a spinner
on a regular rod, like a spinning rod, people
will look at you like you're a fucking idiot.
Like, what's wrong with you, you fucking barbarian?
We're out here fly fishing. This is a dance.
This is a gentleman's dance. With my parrying
rod. These dudes are over there listening to
fucking... AM Republican radio. One of the crank
ones. Hold on. Wait, what'd he say? There's a
lot of guys that still listen to those fucking
political talk shows on AM talk radio. Man, I
haven't even turned on, like... A radio. A radio
in a long time. A long time. Yeah, it's been
a long time. A long time. If I had to, if I had
to use the crank radio, I'd hope there was something
on there, but I don't know. Bro, when I was a
kid, no one ever would have thought there would
be a time where radio wasn't like a centerpiece
in everyone's life. Because when I was a kid,
like in high school, in the 80s, it was like,
what station do you listen to? Right. I was a
BCN guy. Sure. Rock of Boston. And you got beat
up by the KTMTs guys. Well, there's the AAF guys
that were a little more hardcore. Those guys
are crazy. Yeah. I know those fuckers. They're
crazy. And then there's the Kiss FM guys. I love
Kiss FM. They were into like going out to clubs.
When did Kiss FM start? Well, there's been a
lot of Kiss FMs, right? Because I'm 106 .1 Kiss
FM. Where's that one? Dallas, Fort Worth. Dallas,
yeah. I think there's a Kiss FM all over the
country. I don't know if they're a Philly. I
don't know what that is. Is that like a fucking
chain? I don't know. Is it franchised? That's
a good question. How do they get a franchise
into it? Because there's a whole lot of Kiss
FM's. Yeah. Why does that sound so good? It does
sound good. It sounds so good. Kiss FM sounds
badass. But they had the jingle. Like the jingle,
I remember because I used to... fall asleep to
the radio and then wake up to Kid Craddock rest
in peace Kid Craddock like such a legend and
like he got me through school he was just funny
and amazing and like I don't know it's just I
don't know there's something magical about that
but we lost that and even watching like Succession
because I just got into it. Have you seen it?
Good show. It's so good. It's a good show. Those
actors are insane. Insane. They like become those
fucked up people. Insane. Well, you're buying
it hook, line, and sinker. The whole cast is
insanely good. It's a dance much like fly fishing.
Yes. But I mean, talking about legacy media and
stuff like that and just how like Logan, Joe
Logan, that's a meme. wants to buy all these,
like, legacy media companies, but the kids are
like, no, no, no, no, Dad, you're so old. Like,
this is not, like, what's hot. Yeah. But he's
still trying to hang on to it, and that's such
an interesting thing with, like, streaming and,
like, Spotify and Apple Music and stuff. It's
just, like, the radio, unless you really love
the DJ, like, I haven't turned on a radio. Yeah.
I don't turn on radios. I don't even know how
to work it in any of my cars. Fuck, they're so
confusing now. One of my old muscle cars has
an actual radio. Does it have a CD player? No,
it doesn't. I do have one car that has a CD player,
though. I have a BMW that has a CD player. Or
it doesn't have a compact disc player. It might
have a compact disc player. That's a 2005. Was
it? CD player and a compact disc? Oh, I meant
cassette. I meant cassette. I was thinking cassette.
Yeah, it's got a CD player. Yeah, it doesn't
have a... Does it have a combo? But I had a car
that had a cassette player for a while. Does
it have the combo? You remember that transition?
So they had to put both in? Yeah. So you get
the CDs and the cassettes? You remember when
they used to have a little handle and you could
pull them out because people were stealing radios?
Blaupunks? No! They used to have... Literally,
there was a handle. So you'd go to the restaurant,
hold it onto your stereo. Yeah. They would slide
out. That's amazing. Because, bro, everybody
stole radios. They stole so many radios. It's
the Alpine. You want the Alpine. And people were
always selling them, too. Like, in a box at the
fucking supermarket. Like, hey, bro, you want
some stereos? Well, they'd sell them at the restaurant.
Hey, man, go flip my radio real quick. Or if
you can't, instead of doing dishes, if you can't
pay, you're just like, here, hold on to the radio
for a little bit. Weird how... Quick, that went
away. And what happened to, how come no one uses
those steering wheel locks? They don't really
work. They don't? I mean, maybe some of them
do. I've seen people break them, though. Well,
you could break, you ever watch a lock pick lawyer
on YouTube? No. I don't know anything about lock
picking. I want to learn. It seems like just
a cool thing to learn. playing video games and
stuff, and I'm like, I want to lockpick shit.
That sounds sick. Very James Bond. It's badass.
Splinter Cell. Yeah, it's cool. If you have a
little lockpick tool in your box. That's badass.
But to be able to pull that out is pretty cool.
But the lockpick lawyer, he can get into anything.
Yeah, dude, it's so cool, man. This is the Lexus
RX300. I love this lock. You know locks? No,
sir. But as you see here with this Toy 48, man,
he'll get in here so quick. Oh, my God. You can
get in anywhere with this thing. And that's my
favorite lock. This is crazy. Look how he's doing
this. That's your favorite law. Look how he's
doing this. This is nuts. So they'll make, they'll
do like challenges for him and he'll just get
in there. No problem. It is so, and I never was
interested, but this shit is like, it's like
ASMR. It is so fun to watch. And I'll just watch
this all night. This is wild how he's doing this,
where he's literally figuring out where the key
slots are and pushing it into place. So these
cards are pretty cool. So they make them for
specific locks, and you can just get in there
and find all the grid and all the indicators
and shit like that. I don't know exactly how
it works, but listen to me about it. And so is
that a complicated? Oh, so that's how it works.
Oh. So I'm explaining a bump lock using the same
kind of thing. You can get in anything with the
right key. Just bumping it hard enough. Wow.
And they explained how that works. Look at that.
Look at that. Isn't that cool? That is fucking
crazy. But you got to wonder, who invented the
lock? John Locke? That's a good question. I believe
his name was John Locke. Thusly named. Like,
what was a lock before a lock? Right? So maybe
it was his name. Trust. I don't know. What would
you say? Would you lock something up? What would
that even mean? Nothing. Before locks, people
used to have to put boards inside their house
to keep people from opening their doors. Or just
like a nice ritualistic symbol on the front of
their door. Like, don't come in here. Yeah, right.
Well, like they would do with, like, what's his
name? Krampus. Put this dead goat and, like,
paint the blood on your front door. Like, don't
come in here. That would work. I think that would
work to this day. No, to this day. If someone
comes up and tries to get into your house and
you have, like, painted in blood, like, this
crazy. Like, Rune, I don't think they're coming
in. Unless that's what you're into. Maybe so.
You'd be like, bro, that's my Rune. Maybe you
just get the craziest robbers of all time, and
they're like, well, he's got some cool shit in
there. Yeah, I like how you live. He doesn't
even want to hurt you. He just wants to hang
out. He's like, hey, man. Can you introduce me
to Satan? Yeah, exactly. He's in the basement
right now. Introduce you to Satan, bro. It's
no problem. Yeah, come on in, man. He's fine.
It's tea time. The kettle's on, sir. We're going
to call him. Never call Satan after 3 a .m. It's
bad. That's when he gets evil. Never call the
imposter from Among Us after 3 a .m. The imposter
from Among Us? What is that? You know the imposter
from Among Us. No, I don't. You never played
Among Us? No. No. What is it? It's like a game.
I don't know. It's a game people used to play,
yeah. Oh, I never played it. It's like a meme.
You know this guy. You know this guy. I don't.
Don't trust him. I don't. I never played that
game. Don't trust him. The guy with the leaves
on his head? Any of them. Any of them. You can't
trust. So it's like, you got to guess who the
killer is out of all of them. I can't believe
I'm talking about Among Us on Joe Rogan. This
is amazing. I don't know. You know what it is,
Jamie? You do? I don't know what it is. It got
big over the pandemic. Oh, it did? Oh, so it's
recent? It was a game that you play with your
friends. Oh, interesting. Some would debate it's
for babies, but it's pretty fun. I don't play
it. Why would they say it's for babies? I don't
know. Just because babies play it sometimes.
Much like Fortnite. Sorry, Fortnite. Babies play
a lot of things. That's true. They play cool
shit, too. That's true. They do rose smelling.
But it kind of got memed a little bit, the Among
Us thing. Interesting. Yeah. It's weird that
some people like things until they find out the
type of other people that like it. Sure. And
they're like, I don't like this thing anymore.
Well, dude, you remember how big, how big, what
is it? The Facebook, well, meta, the metaverse
or whatever. How big that was supposed to be.
The VR thing. Yeah. Right? And so I just watched
a thing by a guy named Jarvis Johnson. And he
went in and spent like a week playing like 14
hours a day in the metaverse. And it's all just
kids. So they said it was going to be huge, huge,
huge. And there's 900 people on it. And they're
all kids. and he would go everywhere everywhere
everywhere everywhere and it's all kids to the
point where there was an 18 and up like bar and
you would have to hold your arms out and they
would measure your arm length to make sure that
you weren't a kid isn't that crazy that's i don't
know man it's just like that's bizarre it's crazy
but it's just like Well, that's weird. If someone's,
oh, wow, age verification. What if someone's
really tiny? Right? Like, what happens to little
people? Right, that's what I'm saying. Yeah,
what if it's, like, just a guy with a short wingspan?
Yeah. Yeah, you're fucked. You can't get into
the bar. But that's all right because there was
two people in there. The whole thing is you're
hanging out with kids? That's bizarre. It's weird,
man. That's a different thing. That's like an
interactive thing. Right. Not like if you're
playing a video game and it's just you versus
the computer. fucking kids at these multiplayer
games are so good yeah they're they have no life
it's crazy no mortgage no family i miss those
no aspirations they know when food is coming
that's what i meant by whenever i said the goal
of life is to be a kid i meant like don't pay
taxes so i haven't paid mine just joking that's
a joke too yeah go to puerto rico You don't have
to pay taxes? Well, there's a weird thing. If
you live in Puerto Rico, it's like 51 % of the
time or something like that. I forget what the
percentage is. But you just roll the dice? You
don't pay federal taxes. How do you do that?
Because if you claim Puerto Rico as your residence,
I'm going to fuck this up, but Peter Schiff explained
it to me. But that's why Jake and Logan Paul,
they live in Puerto Rico. You don't have to pay
taxes. Do you watch the fight? I did. What do
you think? It's a good fight. Jake did a great
job. He's very talented. He's big. Yeah, he's
a big fella. He's a big fella, and Nate is definitely
smaller than him, definitely doesn't hit as hard
as him. And Jake has a lot more experience in
professional boxing now, for sure. But he's legit.
Legit fighter. I mean, yeah, he looks good. I
mean, I just love watching Nate fight. He's an
animal. He is amazing. He is like... One of my
favorites to watch, and I was super pumped. It
came on after the show in Dallas the first night,
like two nights ago. They're talking about having
an MMA fight, which would be a way different
fight. I want that fight. Yeah, that's a way
different fight. I want that fight. That's a
way different fight. I feel like, and I've never
been in a combat sport before, but it changes
everything. It changes everything. You see Nate
kind of getting up against the rope because he
wants the... chain there you know right like
because i he's getting up against the rope and
i'm like oh and mma or ufc or whatever you can
get up against you tie him up right but i don't
know it's totally different it's totally different
but jake is a very good wrestler he he's he's
a great athlete very good fighter and i know
he's never done an mma fight before but if he
had one i think he'd be good at it i think he'd
be good at it just like he's good at boxing he'd
figure it out He's built crazy. Yeah. Like looking
at him since his first fight. He fucking trains
hard. He's big. To go 10 rounds like that with
Nate constantly coming forward, you got to be
in some serious shape. Serious shape. That's
also a lot of experience too because you got
to know when to hit the gas and when to back
off. You can't just fight full blast for 10 rounds.
It's not possible. I had to do, I was just doing,
so we filmed a movie. a scene in a movie, and
I had to go in and do voiceover for the movie
for dubs, and they were telling me to throw fake
punches. And I did it for like 10, not even full
on for 10 minutes. And I was like, oh my... god
i was so fucking sore and i was sore for the
next week i was like yo and then you look at
like 20 minutes or how how long was how how long
are the rounds well it's 10 three minute rounds
10 three minute rounds 30 minutes of boxing that's
insane it's insane That's hard. That's hard to
do. You know what's a great workout? The VR boxing
games. Have you ever fucked with any of those?
No, sir. They're great. I'm in the metaverse,
man. I'm playing Among Us in VR. They're great
workouts that are in a game because you actually
are boxing the guy. You have these handsets on.
The handsets are your gloves, so you actually
throw punches, and you move away from their punches,
and it shows you when you hit them. And it measures
your goggles, too, so it knows where your goggles
are. Yeah, it knows exactly where you're at.
That's cool. As your head moves, the punches
slip by. You can duck under them and hit them
with uppercuts. So we already, is it like multiplayer?
No, it's single player. Oh, I didn't know if
you were fighting like real people. Because I
was like, imagine like, oh, fuck. I'm a 12 -year
-old at my house and I got to box Joe Rogan.
You can do that in fencing. I know in fencing
you can have a fence off with each other. I bet
they have a thing for boxing where you could
do it against someone. Or you're both on opposite
sides of the room and you're boxing each other.
Well, I'm, what's your, if you. Send me your
gamer tag so if I ever go up against you. I don't
have a gamer tag. A gamer tag is also quite old,
I think. I don't know. I used to be an Xbox guy.
Now I'm just a PC nerd. Yeah, just PC? Yeah.
What do you play? I'm playing Diablo right now.
Oh, Diablo. Oh, my God. That steals your life.
It steals my entire life. On my day off, on my
days off, I go and I play. And I'm like, oh,
I'm good, man. I only played for like 14 hours
today. You play? No, I do not. My friend Duncan
is a full -on junkie. So is my friend Brian.
And we were both watching video clips. I see
it. I get it. I get how it roped you in. It's
that dopamine of seeing all the numbers pop up.
You're like, oh, I did 9 million damage to a
fucking demon. Yeah, there's all the numbers
and the graphics and the craziness. And you see
them coming towards you. There's a lot of anticipation.
Yikes. Yeah, it's good. It's good. It looks like
fun. Do you play anything? Not anymore. No? No,
I used to be a hardcore first -person shooter
junkie. I used to play a lot of Quake. Modern
Warfare 2? No, Quake. See, you're harder. You're
harder. I used to play Quake online. I had a
buddy that used to play Quake, and the competitive
scene for that in the early 2000s was crazy.
Yeah, insane. Insane. You have to know all the
map, and you know where they're going, so it's
like FPS chess. It's pretty cool to watch. It
really is, because you have to know. when certain
items are spawning. Yes, sir. Like a mega health,
a rocket launcher. You got to get to it before
your opponent does. Nerd. Yeah. That's so cool.
Were you any good? Oh, I was pretty good, yeah.
That's amazing. That's so cool, dude. Yeah, we
used to have a Quake LAN party set up here. This
is crazy, dude. Quake 3. That's Quake 3 Arena,
right? Quake Champions, Quake Champions. That's
the only one. What was like... Unreal? No, it's
a Quake game. Look at this. Boom. Look at that.
This game is so fun. I didn't even react that
fast. How do you hit that guy? Well, you're moving
so fast in this game. It's just constant juice
for your brain. Your brain is just constantly
getting stimulus. It's so fun. Wow. Yeah, this
guy's good. Whoever's playing this, this guy's
good. But look how tuned in he is. He's just...
In a trance. He knows where he's coming from.
He knows exactly. You've got to memorize these
maps, dude. Wow! That's insane. Did he get him
through the grate? He got him as he was going
down. That was great. Look at that. This guy's
insane. This guy's so good, man. So he's running
around getting all the health and getting all
the armor and shit. See, he pre -shoots that
in case he's coming down there. Wow, he is rocking
this guy. Yeah, this guy's a killer. Whoever
the fuck this guy is, this guy has no life. Guarantee
you, that motherfucker's playing that game all
day. Man, I only played for 14 hours today. What
do you mean? The thing is, you can be, like,
real successful in that game. You get the same
rush out of being successful in the real world.
It's true. Yeah, more of a rush, really. I don't,
dude, it's so, so gaming for me. Like I mentioned
before, I don't leave the house very much. Gaming
for me is me time. Everybody likes the multiplayer
games and stuff, but I'm a single -player guy
because whenever I get to actually sit down by
myself, not on tour, and then the baby goes to
bed and mama goes to bed and I can just go and
sit and have a nice drink and a smoke. game room
yeah and just fucking like yeah just total get
austie time yes you need austie time yes sir
you do everybody does you really do it's good
for your mind just for for me again like why
are you doing this you're doing this to enjoy
yourself all this life is supposed to be you're
supposed to be enjoying yourself yes as much
as you can i mean it's it's a lot it's a lot
every everybody's got a lot um Everybody's got
a lot. You take that second. Don't be fucking
scared to take that second for yourself. You
deserve that fucking second. But earn that second,
too. Earn that second, but then you feel that
second hit so much harder. So much harder. Whenever
you're like, oh, man. So much harder. Fucking
working my ass off. Abstinence makes the heart
grow fond. Abstinence? Yeah, just. Yeah, I'm
abstinent. Having, you know. Just a little break
from things. Well, how do you find time, Joe?
I make it. Force it. Just force it. Give me one
of them Bud Lights. Fuck it. You got it. Let's
go. They're cold, too. We've been drinking Bud
Light consistently on this show. Yeah? I'm sure
the comments are afire with those folks that
like to get riled up about stupid shit. Well,
that's what I said, you know. Before the show,
I was like... Just back to the conversation we
were just having. There's not a lot of comfort
in the modern world, man. And I've been drinking
this forever. Yeah. Gives you comfort. I'm drinking
my fucking... God damn it, I'm going to drink
a fucking beer, Joe Rogan. Yeah, a Bud Light,
too. I'm going to drink a fucking Bud Light,
and it's yummy. Forget about everybody's outrage.
Settle down, everybody. Relax. They fucked up.
Just let them off the hook. They fucked up this
one thing. It's not even that big a deal, but
when Kid Rock shoots your fucking beer, it's
game over. It was a cool MP5, though. It was.
It was a cool gun. When Kid Rock shoots your
beer. First off, you got to buy the beer, and
you know how much ammo is nowadays. It was an
expensive publicity stunt, but I think it was
well worth it. Well, if you look at the impact
that it did, that's what's crazy. How many people
are just looking for shit to get annoyed with
lately? Yeah, I mean, I don't know. It's interesting.
And I love watching the show because it's so...
You just talk. Yeah. You just talk, and me and
my friends, we say, you know, it's nice because
you... don't have any judgment, and you listen
to people talk, and you actually have a conversation,
which is really nice. Well, in this age of short
attention span, that shit doesn't appeal to everybody.
There's a lot of people that aren't interested
in that. Right. And they're interested in long
-form conversations. They're interested in reading
books. They're interested in just listening to
music just for the sake of listening to music.
You know, there's still people like that out
there. This idea that everyone's just short attention
span dummy. That's crazy. That's not true. There's
always going to be people that are interested
in things. Right. And want to be stimulated.
Is that the popular? Well, I mean, for you, yes.
You crush it. You crush it. Well, it works for
me. Yes, sir. It works for me because that's
actually what I like. Yes, sir. There's no bridge
between what I'm interested in and what I'm talking
about. Right. It's just right there. It's right
there. You love what you do. Yeah, and there's
no executive. There's no producer telling me
what to do. There's no network. So it's just
me and people, me and you. And that's missing
in this world. We're getting too much of what
we get is filtered down. Even if it's the news,
it's going through filters. It's going through
people. It's getting approved. What can you talk
about? What can you not talk about? What do you
highlight? What do you not highlight? What causes
death that you pay attention to? And what causes
death that you ignore? That's what the news is.
So it's just, we get it from everything. And
so we always have this uneasy feeling. Like,
whoever that person is that's telling us the
news, they're not being 100 % real with us. Because
they're not even talking real. Today, at 5 p
.m., we learned that there's a way they're talking
where you know that that's not a fucking human.
That's not a human. And when they're trying to
be a human, it's even grosser. It's a show. Yeah,
and when they're trying to be sincere, it's even
grosser because it's like performative and you've
always been you've been performing as this This
news guy forever and now all of a sudden you're
the real person right cut the shit man. What
is that? Yeah, it makes us feel weird and that's
might not even be As human as they're even being
it It's not their fault, you know, cuz that's
what that's their job. That's their job. You
know, that's their job to go up there. So if
you do show that human moment, it's like, and
then you look at it and you're like, oh, is that
actually real? Everyone thinks that's fake, you
know, but maybe, you know, they do feel sad,
genuinely. It's just so hard if you tell a sad
story on the news and it's like you're reading
off a teleprompter. Yeah. You know what I mean?
It's interesting. It is. It's weird that we still
need people to do it too. Like we want a Walter
Cronkite type person or some respected journalist,
some Mike Wallace, some Barbara Walters, someone
who like when they're talking. There's one I
know. I know Barbara Walters. Yeah. There's,
well, you know, not when she's on The View, but
the olden days. Sure. What she would do. Investigative
journalist. What days? I'm 95. I'm 95. Bro, she's
pre your time for sure. She's pre my time. She
was, I think there's like some crazy thing where.
Barbara Walters, Anne Frank, and Martin Luther
King Jr. were born in the same year. Is that
true? Did I just make that up? I think Anne Frank
and Martin Luther King Jr. and then like one
other. She was born in 1929. What? Son. She passed
away last year. 1929. Yeah. Yeah. That lady's
seen some shit. That's when people played chess
with each other. And Frank was as well, right?
1929. Yeah. That's crazy. Born the same year.
See, you didn't make that up. No. Sometimes I'm
wondering, though. No, me too. I fuck things
up. I definitely fuck things up. The problem
also, like, sometimes people tell me something,
and then I don't look it up, and then I'll just
repeat it. Yeah, that's a whole other thing.
That's a whole other thing. Yeah, you got to,
like, look things up. Dick Clark. Dick Clark.
Audrey Hepburn. Arnold Palmer from 1929? Let's
go. The golfer? Mm -hmm. Wow, he was born in
1929? I thought he was the drink guy. He did.
I prefer myself a John Daly. Which is the John
Daly? That's vodka and Arnold Palmer. John Daly's
a wild boy. Oh, man. That fella. What he can
do is amazing. He's known for being a dude who
parties. And he's one of the best golfers ever.
Yeah, man. I don't know. That's why, like, look
at him out there. Dude, that's such a wave right
there. Smoking a cigarette. Smoking a stogie
and just sucking. Big gut. Plays like a fucking
wizard. He looks like a wizard. He does. He's
giving me big wizard vibes on this one. I mean.
The guy's been doing it a long fucking time.
Many a man is in the ground that was thinking
that John Daly was never going to make it. I'd
be pissed. It's like, you ever play Mortal Kombat
and Bo Rai Cho? Who's Bo Rai Cho? He's the guy
that was always drunk and he would puke on you.
And then he would always kick my ass in the game.
So imagine, that's kind of like, not to compare
John Daly to Bo Rai Cho from Mortal Kombat, but...
just imagine you're out there and you go so hard
and you go you're like doing all the best training
and all this shit and this guy just comes out
with a fat dude with a john daly and then just
fucking hits the craziest shot i mean oh my god
man there's some guys that don't look like they
should be pro athletes and the or pro anything
with your body yeah and yet they're as good as
anybody alive yeah i mean like Big country? Oh,
yeah. Roy Nelson? Roy Nelson put people in the
neighboring dimensions. That dude hit so hard.
And, by the way, he's like a legit Brazilian
jiu -jitsu black belt. He was an elite grappler.
I met him way back in the day, way before he
had any MMA fights. And he was just a really
elite grappler. But then he starts fighting in
MMA and knocking people unconscious. And can
take a shot as good as anybody that's ever lived.
The beard is padding. Have you thought? They
used to say that with boxers. They used to make
them shave their beards. Shave them off. Yeah,
you couldn't have a big, hairy beard because
they really did think that it was padding. Well,
yeah. Well, that's what I was talking to somebody,
and they were like, hey, do you think it's, like,
way, way, way, way, way far down the line to
where, like, men grew beards because they were
fighting each other? And they were like, okay,
we'll get a little padding, and it just grew
over time? No, I think they hadn't invented razors.
That's true. No, but how evolutionary? How did
it grow? How did it start growing? It went away.
I think we had hair all the way up to the top
of our face. But why would it stay there? Why
do we have armpit hair? It's a good question.
Why do we have ball hair? Yeah. What's up with
asshole hair? So you can style it, of course.
So you can braid it. Keep your asshole warm.
No, the asshole hair is for catching dingleberries,
and everyone knows that. It's for a little snack
for later. Oh, God. I think what it is is we
used to be covered in hair. It's pretty obvious.
And then when the aliens came down and manipulated
our DNA, they turned us into this. I wish they
turned me into that. I wish they turned me into
that. How did I get stuck with it? I always miss
the fucking cool shit, man. Dude, I think if
that is the case, if we were really truly created
by aliens, that would be the most bizarre of
all the possibilities. We're still the same thing.
But if we knew that that's how we came about,
that would be probably the most bizarre thing
ever. Creation or like crossbreeding? Like crossbreeding.
Yeah. Yeah, or like some genetic manipulation,
you know? It's so weird. Who fucking knows? But
thinking about why are the depictions of aliens
since recorded history, why are they always bipedal?
why do they always have the same face and eyes
as us like yeah why why big giant eyes why is
that why is that because i don't know and people
are like oh you know people would be like well
they're just like you know they made this up
they look like humans but what if we look like
them yeah or what if whatever we're being visited
by now is just humans from the future or humans
Or another offshoot of humans from another dimension.
Yeah, a lot of people speculate on all those
things. At the risk of sounding crazy. You know
what's interesting about aliens, too? Aliens,
they always have eyes facing forward. And in
nature, things that have eyes facing forward
are generally predators. Sure. Things that have
eyes on the side, like a deer or a pronghorn,
they're looking for shit coming at them. So they're
looking left and right. But when something has
eyes going forward, it's looking to attack, generally.
Like cats and wolves, they have eyes facing forward.
And aliens have eyes facing forward, which is
interesting. I don't know. Do you think, if there
is actually, who's to even fucking say what an
alien even fucking looks like? They could just
be a blob of fucking energy or whatever the fuck.
But if we do personalize them like that, which
we... as humans tend to do it makes it easier
to fathom you know what i mean i couldn't fathom
a being in here that's just a glob of dust or
a cloud like i'm like whoa that's like this is
insane but if i look at it from like uh oh you're
like me you know what i mean as far away in the
galaxy as you might be from oh you look kind
of like me but well just think about the me when
you say me it's very intangible right it's not
like my hand my hand is right here right but
my me like who i am my consciousness like where
the is that where's that is that inside of me
is it is it a part of me is it all of me together
whatever it is it's like you like your consciousness
is like this very unique energy that's you And
mine is me and everybody has a different one.
And it's what the fuck is that? Yeah. That's
a weird thing. It certainly is. You know, whatever
it is inside of your mind that's moving you around
and responding to questions and finding what
you're interested in and pursuing your goals
like that, whatever the fuck that thing is inside
of you, that energy is very strange. And it is.
It's just super weird. I remember you asked me
if I wanted to smoke and I can't. I don't really
smoke anymore. And I actually talked for the
longest time in my whole life. I couldn't really
explain this. I couldn't like really like bring
it to like words and try to explain it to where
I wasn't like where just because was. It made
no sense. But I talked to a couple of my buddies
and they were like, oh, it's the same thing.
So a lot of my friends from smoking weed, it's
like almost like a depersonalization thing to
where it feels like for the longest time since
I had I smoked one bad joint. And for the longest
time ever since then, it's felt like I've been
almost like watching my life happen instead of
actually like. living it does that make sense
it does if you had like an episode like if you
smoked one bad joint and you got way too high
and you had like a break like some sort of a
schizophrenic break or some sort of strange episode
and and it just feels like a lot of the time
it's like it's like i'm not doing it it's like
almost as like i'm watching it happen still to
this day to this day a lot of the time yeah And
it happened because of that one time. I had never
felt it in my life before that. Wow. And I talked
to my friends, and they were like, oh, that's
like depersonalization. I don't exactly know
what happens or what goes on, but it's a pretty
common thing, I feel like, for people who have
had. a negative experience with, like, THC or
something like that. Or whatever the fuck was
in that joint that I had in L .A. that one time,
you know? Right, you don't know what was in it.
That's true, too. Maybe it was just fucking LSD
or something, and it, like, totally just, like...
caught me and but i felt different like to this
day i still feel different that's so weird but
it could just be thc this guy alex berenson wrote
a book about it it's called tell your children
and uh it's about how there's a certain percentage
of people that especially with high dose thc
they can have a schizophrenic break or a psychotic
break something goes wrong i used to smoke crazy
I used to smoke a lot, like do the volcanoes
and all that shit. That's so fun. It was so fun.
And one time, one time. One time. Wow, that's
crazy. One time. Maybe there was something in
it. I don't know. When you're just getting a
joint from some dude, you don't know the chain
of custody. No idea. Where was this cooked up?
No idea. Ron White was in the green room at the
club one night, and he pulled out this joint.
He goes, this joint costs $75. I go, what the
fuck is that? He goes, got it from Beverly Hills.
I go, keep that shit the fuck away from me. So
all these other guys smoked it. Brian Simpson
smoked it. Duncan Trussell smoked it. And they
went on stage. And Duncan said he didn't know
what the fuck he was talking about. He was like,
what did you do to me? What the fuck? I thought
it was weed. But they get these joints now in
these crazy dispensaries like in L .A. You know,
it's legal now. So they're lacing them with THC.
They got THC crystals in them and Keith in them.
These are not regular joints. These are for dudes
like Be Real. Like the kind of shit that he smokes.
You know? Be Real from Cypress Hill. Explicitly
for Be Real. That is the only man who can smoke
this joint. That dude is stone cold sober no
matter how high he gets. That is crazy, man.
A lot of my buddies are like that too, man. You
have to smoke a lot to feel high. I can't keep
up with those fellas. I can't keep up with those.
I did a smokebox show where they get you super
high, and they put you in this dope car, and
they have cameras in the car, and you sit there
and just smoke each other. You just hotbox the
car? Hotbox the car. And it's ridiculous. I was
so high. I didn't know what the fuck I was talking
about. I was like, I got to get out of here.
I got to go to bed. I'm convinced, too, I get
secondhand high from my green room. Oh, you definitely
do. Because my buddy's fucking blowed down. You
definitely do. I've seen people get secondhand
high from me in this room. I've seen it where
all of a sudden they have a hard time remembering
what they're talking about. I go, bro, you got
high. You got high whether you liked it or not.
Maybe I am high. Maybe a little bit. Maybe a
touch. It's nice. I had a stint too where I tried
to smoke like maybe two years ago. Yeah. And
I was like, it's amazing. But then like just
shrooms is like for me, like just so much more
fun for me. Shrooms should be legal. Yeah. Because,
I mean, if you are, I mean, I'm not a psychologist
or a psychiatrist, and if you're vulnerable,
there's something wrong with your mind, you probably
shouldn't be doing any kind of psychedelics.
But that's the case with a lot of stuff. But
for everybody else, just a little bit, just a
little bit every now and then would make your
life a little better. Well, it's interesting
you said that, too, because now I talk to a bunch
of my buddies, you know, who have served, and
they said, oh, they're giving them. psilocybin
to help with, like, PTSD and shit like that.
Yeah, this shirt that I'm wearing, this is a
MAP shirt, Multidisciplinary Association for
Psychedelic Studies. You know these guys? And
they are doing a lot of great work with that
with MDMA, too. MDMA for soldiers. And so they're
running these trials and these studies with MDMA
and soldiers, and they're finding great results.
Yeah, it's really interesting. And it's just
like, this is literally... Eating cow shit. It's
nature. And it's nature that human beings have
utilized probably for thousands of years. And
we should get back to it. You got to wonder if
that's, I mean, we know why it's not legal. Because
it's going to make people invent tools and have
better communication with each other and be more,
you know. But the people that are, they should
listen to this. The people that are trying to
run the world. You should be doing it too. Because
if you did, it would change your consciousness
and it would change your focus. And you would
still be just as successful. Don't think you
won't be. You'll still be successful. You'll
be successful under a different metric. You'll
probably feel better. And you won't have this
fucking guilt, this overwhelming guilt of living
your life just constantly trying to acquire money
by unscrupulous methods. Spend your money on
shrooms. You don't even have to spend that much
money. You just go flip some slugging cow tears.
They're not that expensive, and if you live in
a good spot, they're readily available outside,
which is wild. I'm good, man. Thank you, though.
It's just one of those things that I think nature
put here, or we are, and maybe not even by design,
but just by whatever it is about us and whatever
it is about that. When that chemical interacts
with ours, and it's very similar to normal human
neurochemistry, apparently, that psilocybin,
when it interacts with us, it's very positive
for the most part. Again, unless you have psychological
problems. Or on certain medications. It made
me... I was so fucking depressed and so fucking
sad for so long. And doing shrooms, it took me
out of that. It made me see shit in, like, such
a more... Like, it's not all fucking shitty.
It's not all shitty. But did it feel all shitty
for you even while you were successful? Yeah.
That's what's weird, right? Right, exactly. Because
then you have it all, and yet you still feel
like shit. Yes, sir. That confuses a lot of folks.
Yes, sir. And especially, like... I was fucking
18, like, whenever the shit popped off. And I
was like, oh, fuck, man. I don't know what the
fuck to do. Everybody's looking at me. I don't,
you know. And I can't even imagine how, like,
a Bieber or a Culkin, like, or child actors or
performers, like, how you even. Even your parents,
and I don't want to say anything about those
people's parents specifically or in particular,
but the parents even then are like, how much
money can we make off of this kid? And you see
a lot of YouTube families doing that shit. It's
like, this kid doesn't know what the fuck is
going on here. He doesn't know what's going on
here. You're just monetizing your cute kid. You
know what I mean? It's crazy. It's crazy. It
is weird. And that's why, like, even when I had
my baby, you see a lot of the time people are
like, first thing that happens, baby gets baby
fresh out of the coochie. Right. And then right
to Instagram or Twitter or whatever. Here's my
new fucking baby. Like, no shit. And like. The
kid doesn't know what the fuck is happening.
So whenever they're older, they'll be like, oh,
I saw your ass when you were a baby. You know
what I mean? But I remember I had the pleasure
and the privilege to pull my baby out. And I
was like, oh, fuck. Wow. This is like head all
scrubbed up. So it was. crazy and I'm like you
know what you can in this world that we live
in right now where everything is based off of
a social currency and a like or a heart metric
on any platform I'm going to let you fucking
decide whenever you want to do that you know
yeah that's a great way to do it I feel like
people are just so entrenched in this idea that
you have to share every aspect of your life and
use that aspect of your life as a thing to get
likes. That's what's weird. When they invented
likes, boy, did they fucking hotwire our brain.
They lockpicked our brain. And they took away
dislikes. Yeah, they did. Isn't that wild? Yeah.
That's wild, too. That's wild, too. Isn't that
crazy? It is wild. I think about that all the
time. I'm like, hot. Yeah. Why? I don't know.
To be nice? I don't think it's, you know, look,
you're going to get people to gang up on folks.
Sure. You're going to get people that weaponize
that. But that's also a way to indicate whether
or not people like it or don't like it. I mean,
that's the way to indicate whether people like
it or don't like it. Are you saying I can only
like it? Yeah. I can like it or ignore it. So,
like, then you can buy that. you know gauge you
can tell if people really like the video say
the video gets a hundred million or a let's just
say a million views right and then like oh a
thousand people like this oh they didn't really
like that right that's weird right why did it
get so many views then you can kind of just subtract
yeah the amount of likes versus the views and
then be like well Well, there's always hate liking
or hate watching. People do a lot of hate watching.
They do a lot of watching shit they hate. I'm
a little guilty of that. You seen the new NPC
trend? What is the new NPC trend? All right.
So maybe, can you, Jamie, would you - I know
what an NPC is. It is so - Not a player character,
right? It is crazy, dude. Is it the memes? It
is the TikTok of people that will live stream
for hours of doing, and so they'll just stay
in like a stance like this. Oh, so they act like
they're a video player. Whenever someone gives
them money or something, on TikTok, they'll react
to it in a way, and they'll do it for hours and
hours. Oh, I saw this young, pretty girl that
was doing that. It is crazy. And everybody was
going, what is going on? What is this? It is
crazy. Ice cream's so good. Ice cream's so good.
Ice cream's so good. And I'm like, wow. This
is kind of crazy. What is that? It's crazy. Does
she ever break character, or does she just keep
doing that? I don't remember her name. I was
trying to find her. I was going through a few
different things. That was one of those wake
-up call videos. I think she only breaks character
to like, I remember her kid came in on one of
the streams, and she's like, what are you doing?
Get out of here. That's hilarious. But now it's
not just her. It's like a thing. Whoa. Thank
you, sir. Here's the one that got viral first.
Pinky Doll is her name. And she reveals staggering
earnings. And they're making cash. Wow. And this
is the one. Gang gang. Gang gang. Gang gang.
Oh, special. Gang gang. Gang gang. Gang gang.
Balloon. Gang gang. Gang gang. Mm, that was good.
Lemonade. Hee -haw, yes. You got me feeling like
a cowgirl. Let me run it, huh? Hee -haw, yes.
You got me feeling like a cowgirl. Let me run
it, huh? Slay, huh? Slay, huh? Slay, huh? Wow.
It's crazy. That's so strange. It's crazy. It's
crazy. But she's really hot, and that helps.
That's why that works. Let's not pretend. No.
If she was gross, that lady's beautiful. So when
she does that, people are like, what is she doing?
Get her to lick her lips. $7 ,000 a day. $7 ,000
a day. That's pretty damn good. Not bad. How
long did she do it for? Did it say on there?
Let's see. 48 hours in a row. She's doing that.
This was a three -week binge. She didn't sleep.
What is it? The Russian sleep experiment or whatever
the hell? Right, right, right. But just some
NPC streamers. What did they figure out from
that? What is the limit of the human body where
you can go without sleep? Well, I don't know
if that experiment was real. Oh, really? Because
you hear the story about it. You know the one
where they're like... I don't know if it's just
like a creepypasta or whatever when they did
the sleep experiment. That's what Ricky says.
What happened? Ricky says it's a creepypasta.
Yeah, it's a creepypasta. What is a creepypasta?
It's like a creepy story. Like a scary story
that people... Just a story that people tell
that's not real. But I wonder if... Oh, isn't
that like they murdered each other or something
like that? Yeah, they started murdering everybody.
So they say in the story. It's a story. That
makes sense. That makes sense that it's not real.
Did they ever really push that? If they did,
they probably won't talk about it. It's so inhumane.
Well, you think about, fuck, they're going to
kill me. Like MKUltra and all that shit, man.
I was about to go there. All that shit. I'll
let you talk about it. I just know what it is,
but I don't know anything about it. It's a real
program that the CIA was running. where they
were experimenting with people with LSD to find
out what LSD did. And they wanted to know, like,
how can we use it? Can we use it to interrogate
our enemies? Can we use it as a truth serum?
What can we do with it? By the way, guys, I have
no idea what this stuff is. There you go. And
what they did was they started experimenting,
and not just the United States. They did it with
British soldiers, too, in the 1950s. There's
a video of these British soldiers that they gave
them acid. See if you can find that, because
it's a wild video. These dudes, they just dosed
them up and had them running through the woods.
They're like, ah! So do you have, like, Manhunters
on that? You ever watch that show, Manhunter?
What is that? He's like the guy that, like, he's
like, all right, if you can hide, I'm the best
tracker in the world. If you can hide from me
on my horse. But how do they keep track of what
they did in the woods? That's a good question.
How do they, Jamie? What, in this case? Yeah.
They filmed them. Right. But what if they went
super deep? Yeah, right. How do they keep track
of them? Keep them from just going on an acid
marathon? We risk it, I think. I don't know.
Yeah, they didn't give a fuck about these dudes.
They were going to send these dudes in front
of bullets. I mean, this is the fucking right
after storming the beach at Normandy days. You
know, these are wild times, man. People just
ran into gunfire back then. They were different
men. Are these guys all on acid right now? Yes.
Watch them start laughing. They can't stop laughing.
So they're soldiers, and they're sitting there
doing their job, but they can't stop laughing.
They're just tripping balls. And then later,
there's some footage of them in the woods. They
took them to the woods afterwards. I think this
might be a different one because I have not seen
this one. But I think they did it with a bunch
of people. And they did it at Harvard. Ted Kaczynski,
the Unabomber, he was a part of the Harvard LSD
studies. He was a participant? Yeah. No shit.
They dosed that dude up with acid? No shit. Yeah,
they dosed him up with acid. And then he was,
you know, he had a - Did that guy have a rifle?
They can give a dude with a rifle LSD. But yet
they did. Look at these dudes. They got cameras
and fucking, what is it? He's holding onto his
headphones. He's trying to put the headphones
on the tree. They can't stop laughing. Look,
it's like a great drug. And they were like, okay,
this has no military purpose at all. We cannot
use this. This is exactly the opposite of what
we want. What did they do? Chop it? They're chopping
it? Are they chopping a tree? I don't know. This
guy's climbing a fucking tree. He's out of his
mind. Why do they have firearms? Because they're
army guys. That's crazy, though. Yeah, British
Marines. 1964, that was. So what the CIA was
doing is they were experimenting with prostitutes.
So what they would do is they would set up a
brothel, and they would have these guys go in
to try to get with the prostitute, and the prostitute
was a CIA agent. She would give them... a drink
that was laced with acid, and they would watch
these guys through two -way mirrors. That's insane.
Yeah, they were just trying to figure out what
does acid do? And it was just totally unsuspecting.
Yeah. And then there was mind control experiments.
There's definitely something going on with Charles
Manson, and that's the Tom O 'Neill book, Chaos.
It's a great book about MKUltra and the role
that these guys that were running that program,
that they interacted with Manson. They interacted
with him in prison, and they think that... They
might have been the people that were supplying
him with the acid or he was using it to manipulate
those kids. And the whole thing was to discredit
the anti -war movement. They were trying to develop
this attitude in America that hippies are dangerous
and murderous. And, you know, these people that
are like, stop the war. These people are, they're
a threat. Sure. And so one of the ways they did
it was this high profile guy, Charles Manson.
And they take this guy and they taught him how
to run a fucking cult when he was in prison,
most likely. What was he in prison for beforehand?
Oh, he's been in prison his whole life. His whole
life. Where's he from? That's a good question.
I don't know where Manson was from. Thank you.
But the book. Chaos, I can't recommend it enough.
It's fucking incredible. The guy worked on it
for 20 years. I've talked about it 100 times
on the podcast. If you listened to it before,
I'm sorry. But that guy, who is my friend Greg's
neighbor, my friend Greg Fitzsimmons, he was
this guy's neighbor like 20 years ago, and he
was working on this. And he got hired to write
a story about the anniversary of the Tate -LaBianca
murders. And when he got hired to write that
story, he started finding all these inconsistencies
in the story. And so he started doing like real
journalism. And it's just like he went on a deep
dive, like way too long. And he wrote it for
20 fucking years. Yeah. And finally they got
together. They helped him with an editor and
they put it all together and they put together
this book. This book is insane. It's insane.
Yeah. It's I don't know. That's such a crazy.
It's so crazy. And the thing about. I don't know
if it's harder to like pull the wool over people's
eyes now rather than then. Does that make sense?
Yeah. I don't know either. Because there's so
many different, like we were talking about the
news. Yeah. You know, you go on the news and.
you get caught in this, it's like a perpetual,
it's a wheel. You know what I mean? And you just
keep getting, especially now due to the algorithms
that we have, you just keep getting fed the same
information to like perpetuate what you want
to learn about and what they want you to know
about. But back then, it wasn't as accessible.
So I wonder if it was harder back then to like...
trick the populace into believing something than
it is now. I think it was probably easier because
I think they probably had more respect for institutions
because they didn't have the access to them that
we have now. Like think about what a president
was like back then. Presidents openly had affairs.
No one reported on it. They were just revered
figures. It was a different thing. Like when
Kennedy was a president, sure, definitely people
hated him, especially Republicans. A lot of people
hated him for the Bay of Pigs. The press didn't
hate him. Everybody knew who he was. That's not
the case today. The world is such a hostile place
today. We don't have respect for institutions
anymore. We don't have respect for mainstream
media for a lot of fucking reasons. We don't
have respect for mainstream news. We look at
them like, all right, maybe this is real. We
don't look at it like this is the unbiased. You
take everything with that grain of salt. Exactly.
And we know that there's... deep political agendas
in reporting any story, in the perspective, the
editorializing of these perspectives. It's just
there's a lot of what humans are is what we're
getting influenced by. And when you're getting
influenced by propaganda and horseshit all the
time, it has an effect on you, whether you like
it or not. It might not be 100 % effective, but
it has some sort of an effect on you where you're
willing to let these people who are just people,
they're no different than you and no different
than me, but you'll let them talk to you and
talk to us as if they are in control of us. And
that is not supposed to be how America works.
And that's just a natural human power structure
thing that we've had since we were tribal creatures.
It's a natural inclination to want to be that
and want to do that. But we have to protect against
that at all costs. Because just because it seems
like you would like those things to be implemented
because they fit your perspective and your worldview,
the problem is now there's tools in place for
tyrants. And now there's tools in place for people
who don't share your perspective and don't have
a charitable view of human beings and are ruthless
and maybe psychotic. But that's the beginning.
that's the beginning of it all too yes it's been
happening like Nero and fucking just like Rome
was super like everything you look at like everything
it was a republic you know like everybody was
everybody had a vote everybody had a say everybody
but the guys who were running well everybody
was drinking from lead and everybody was like
you know what I mean yeah they had lead drinking
vessels and it was just insane this Dude built
this statue like fucking 100 feet tall of himself.
And then Rome set on fucking fire. And it's crazy.
And that's just been happening and it's been
repeating forever. Forever. And I don't know
exactly how long, but, you know, history repeats
itself. And then you look at a cycle of. Of,
like, how civilizations come and go this way.
And it's just, like, I don't know. I know. When
I was a kid, I used to think about America that
way. When I was a kid, I was like, well, you
know, you read about ancient Greece and ancient
Rome and these great civilizations that they
fell. Like, what happened? Did they see it coming?
And I was like, would I see it coming? Would
I know it was coming? Is it going to happen to
us? Right. We don't want to ever think it could
happen to us because we're on the top. We're
number one. We're fucking America. We're the
youngest fucking country in the fucking world.
Yeah. And it can happen to us. You got to be
real careful that we don't become just like all
these ones that we talk about when we say, boy,
be glad you're not living in that place. Because
places go through cycles. Some places are amazing
and then they get invaded. Some places, you know,
some places are filled with - Well, look at Atlantis.
Yeah. Well, that's probably - That one's probably
an ocean thing. Yeah, that's - That's probably
- That's mama nature coming in. That's probably
an impact thing. Do you believe in Atlantis,
Joe Rogan? Yes, I do. Yes, I do. I think it was
a real place. You talked about the younger -
Dryas. Dryas. Yeah. And I was watching a thing
recently, actually, about - how they think that
the Egyptians just found the pyramids and the
Sphinx, and how you can see the Younger Dryas
affecting the Sphinx and the pyramids like that,
and how that... shit happened i mean yeah i'm
not i'm not fully as encompassed as you i'm sure
because i just now learned about the younger
dryas but well for sure this is what you can
say for sure because this gets people very upset
for sure is it yeah this is because they but
i don't know why but just you have to kind of
like say a few things okay one thing is that
for sure the egyptians made it because it was
in egypt okay like it's just different yes it's
i think what we're saying is they're people from
a different era yes sir and this is the whole
proposal that Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson
have. Yes, sir. Like with that younger drives
impact theory people get crazy about this and
they think it's well I didn't mean to offend
anybody if I did no you definitely didn't okay,
but there's people that call it a racist theory
It's very strange because it's really yeah, yeah
It's it's it's real weird, and they've applied
that to Graham Hancock, and it's ridiculous doesn't
make any sense He's he's not saying anything
about the race of the people that did it. It's
about time the whole issue is about time And
what they believe is that somewhere around 11
,800 years ago and probably a couple other times,
we got... obliterated by comet impacts comet
fragments Slammed into the earth and there's
a lot of evidence of this physical evidence of
iridium levels of iridium Nano diamonds that
happen on impact this shit is all over the world
you could find giant craters in places where
the like Greenland and there's places were 100
% they got obliterated by a giant chunk of something
What they believe is that this ended the ice
age and this is what caused all the melting of
the the ice that were above North America, and
that's where all this massive flooding came from,
and that's where the Great Lakes come from. And
he thinks that it was a civilization -ending
event where very few people survived, and they
essentially had to rebuild from there. And so
the amazing society that built the pyramids,
whoever those people were, by the time this Younger
Dryas impact thing happens... Who knows what
kind of civilization they had at that point.
Sure. But they might have been far more advanced
than us. Sure. Just in a different way. Sure.
And for sure they knew how to move stone in a
way we still don't understand. Right. We have
no idea how the fuck they did that. No idea how
they made 2 ,300 ,000 stones meet perfectly at
the top and then covered in smooth limestone.
It's fucking insane. And channel energy. Yeah.
And vibrate. inside of the pyramid to channel
fucking energy. Who knows what they were doing
when they built that. It's crazy. And I didn't
mean to offend anyone. No, no, no, no, no, no.
I shouldn't have said it the way I said it. No,
not at all. I just wanted to clarify because
it's a weird thing that people keep saying. Because
I just learned about this. And watching videos
about it and learning about all this stuff. First
off, take everything with a grain of salt, of
course. But then it's like, fuck it. fucking
actually crazy and now there's is there xenon
on mars what is xenon the xenon there's a there's
a chemical that so the soil on mars is supposedly
enriched with xenon enough to like it's like
I'll just throw out an arbitrary number. 1 ,000
megatons of nuclear. It comes from nuclear explosions.
What? That's where it comes from? They said that
the soil on Mars is super packed with it. Yo,
imagine if Mars was like a nuclear war. War on
Mars? Imagine. They just obliterated the whole
planet. How do you feel about the face? The problem
with the face is it was a very low resolution
camera and it was convenient. And then when they
went over it a second time, it's weird in the
shape of it, but it didn't look like a face anymore.
So how do you feel about NASA having its own
photoshopping branch? Do they? There's people
at NASA that photoshop. You look at a picture
of Mars, what color do you think it is? It's
like a dusty tan. It's like orange. Right? Would
you pull up the real pictures of Mars, what they
actually look like, without the fucking filter
on them? Am I crazy? I don't know. Check it out.
Well, isn't it like Earth where there's different
spots that have different color ground? I don't
know. So you look at pictures of Mars. from like
20 to 30 years ago or whatever. And then you
look at pictures of Mars now, they are drastically
different because people caught on to like, why
are you throwing a filter on Mars? So they were
changing the color of Mars? It doesn't look like
that, yeah. Interesting. I'll pull up the photos
I'm seeing and you direct me to what it is. Look
at that one. Look at that one. Like this one?
No, the first one. This one? No, third one. Sorry,
sir. Oh, like on the ground. Look at the sky
there, okay? Look at the sky there, look at the
ground there, and then look at the second one
even for in fact. There's an orange tint to everything
on every picture that we've ever seen of it,
but then if you look at it, look up maybe Mars
without orange filter. But the lunar module doesn't
look orange. Look at the lunar module. It's pure
white. It's just a filter. It's not pure white.
Okay. Look at that. Like, that looks just like
Earth. It looks like a place on Earth. That could
be a place on Earth, totally. Right. Except for
the sky is a little fucked up looking. Let's
do NASA Photoshop. I don't know, what do you
call like a, I keep saying branch, but like it's
like. Well, I do know that just one way to explain
some of it is that a lot of the photos they get
from the telescopes are like not actual, you
know, like with these cameras, it's not just
taking a photo. Sure. It's taking data that has
to be compiled into a photo. Are these not from
the rover though? They are. I'm talking about
like landscape photos. But wouldn't it make sense
that Mars looks different in different spots?
And wouldn't it make sense that it looks different
with different conditions? It certainly does.
Well, not that. Yeah, that's what I'm talking
about. A photo like that, for instance, can't
be taken normally. Right, right. But like the
landscape photos. It looks like a space monkey.
It looks like a space monkey. Look at that. He's
chill. That dude's chill as fuck. Is that a real
photo, Jamie? That picture looks like a space
monkey. The picture that you just had up? Look
at that. He's cool. That's your new logo. It
says, Photoshop NASA photos give new life to
outer space imagery. Yeah, they're turning into
a monkey. That's not real. That's not real. That's
not real, right? So if you were one of these
NASA Photoshop people, you would. manipulate
the photos in a little bit of a way to make them
look a little more extraordinary. Well, there's
stuff that we talk about. That seems like lying.
No, it's crazy. I'm trying to use the right words
here because I can take a photo of you, Joe,
and make it look, you know, or both of you. Could
you put the handsome filter on for me at least?
You can make Photoshop make it look a way it
didn't really look to anybody's eyes in the room.
Right. But you can just tweak some things without
adding really anything. You're just tweaking.
the light off the sensors and then there's but
there are ways you can go way further with it
all right so i was i've been i mean you can fucking
trust youtube as far as you can throw it but
um looking at photos of recent photos of mars
and it could it could be camera it could be a
camera Well, if you look at a photo from like
a Samsung Galaxy Note 2 versus a photo. But it
still doesn't change the color. It does a little
bit. Here's one. So the first one on the left
is unprocessed. Unprocessed. That's what they
– okay. All right. So then they take the – okay.
Oh, that's weird. I don't even know. But this
is also what you do for, like, filming a movie.
Right, exactly. The camera looks kind of like
shit, and you have to... But is it calibrated
for accuracy? But why are they trying to make
it look like a movie? Well, I doubt... Because
they're bullshitting us, bro. That also could
be what we're used to seeing, and it just gives
it better context. Mate, mate, I'm not the one
doing it, so I'm just trying to, like... Think
like them. And is there xenon on Mars? There
is xenon, but I couldn't figure out how much.
But there's definitely articles about evidence
of xenon. Look, evidence for NASA. Oh, that's
fucking... Isotopes. I see a lot of smart...
Evidence for large nuclear reactor on Mars past.
There's a lot of smart words here. I was skipping
that. Bro, that's NASA. Harvard .edu. That sounds
very smart. NASA sounds really smart. Yeah, I
know. Evidence for... A large natural nuclear
reactor in Mars' past. Why are they saying natural?
They're just guessing. They don't want to say
that maybe it was a civilization that nuked itself
into oblivion. Maybe so. Yeah, but why else would
they say natural? Compounding the mystery is
the fact that Mars has a surface layer of elevated
levels of uranium and thorium. I don't know what
that means. Bro, they nuked the whole planet.
Imagine. They were fighting over some fucking
border town just like us. Imagine. Fucking postal.
How crazy would that be? How do you nuke a cloud
of gas, though? Because that's what aliens are.
No, I don't know. You want to know something
crazy? You know how much a cloud weighs? How
much do you think a cloud weighs? An average
cloud. What do you consider average? Just a big
pluff. Just like a big fluffy one floating around.
20 pounds. A million. Fuck, I was way off. A
million pounds. I just found that out. I was
like, that's insane. I'd rather get paid a million
pounds in 20s. The density of the water that's
in the clouds, if you actually could extract
it and weigh it. Yeah, look at that. That's crazy.
A cubic kilometer cloud contains 1 billion cubic
meters, doing the math, 1 billion times 0 .5,
500 million grams of water droplets in our cloud.
That's about 500 ,000 kilograms or 1 .1 million
pounds. Imagine it just fell. It just fell, like,
hard. It became solidified and just fucking fell.
A giant hailstone. That'd be fucking crazy. Bro,
some hail is ridiculous. Seeing people getting
pelted by, like, golf balls. Like, you ever seen
that video of these people were filming from
their backyard, and you see the hail hitting
the pool? And it's like they're getting attacked
by aliens. It's crazy. This was, they just, we
just had this in Utah. A monsoon? A monsoon in
Utah. Wow. It's a great song name. Yeah, it is.
That's a great song name. Utah Monsoon. Yeah,
that's a great song name. Monsoon in Utah. I
wasn't there, but my dad said it was like the
craziest storm he's ever been in. This is the
monsoon? This was in Utah, but this was Tucson
a couple weeks ago. But here's the storm rolling
in. Arizona. Whoa, look at that thing rolling
in. It just dumps here in a second. Covers the
whole screen. Those are the darkest. That's like
fucking Mordor clouds. Totally. That's Sauron.
Look at the rain coming down. Jesus Christ, dude.
Holy fuck, man. That's insane. That is insane.
That's insane. If that's not fucking apocalyptic,
dude, I don't know what the fuck is. That's crazy,
dude. I was in Miami once. This guy doesn't seem
to care, though. He doesn't mind. He's like,
yeah, whatever. This shit happens all the time.
He's acquiring data. I was in Miami once and
we were driving down the highway and the whole
highway had to stop because the rain was so hard
you couldn't see in front of you. The whole highway
just stopped dead. Just dumped rain on us. It
lasted for like four minutes and then it went
away. But for four minutes, the entire highway
was stopped. You couldn't see a foot in front
of your windshield. It was just, it was fucking
wild. Like, this is crazy. These people are dealing
with some wild shit down here. It never rains
like that. And you just, how long do you hang
out on the side of the road for? We were in the
middle of the highway. We had to stay there.
It was several minutes. Oh, you just sat in your
lane? Yeah, you had to stay in your lane. Yeah,
everybody on the highway stopped. Bro, you couldn't
see jack shit. You couldn't see the front of
your car. It was insane. That's, yeah. See, I
don't, man. It just dumped and took off. And
you're like, okay. And then it was like back
to normal. But it gives you a little heads up,
like, hey, you know, you ain't shit. You ain't
shit. This fucking whole planet has some gigantic
destructive forces that you could never stop.
So when you're on the highway and it rolls through,
just be lucky you don't have a fucking convertible.
Shut your mouth and just sit there and deal.
Put that top on quick. You never put that top
on in your fucking car. You'd be filled with
water. You'd be in a fishbowl. Hail, dude. Moving
to Texas, we had a lot of hail. And it would
just fucking come and fucking... We had to go
put a... There was a baler, and so we would go
use their parking garage. whenever it would hail.
So your window's going to get smashed in. Yeah,
because it's crazy. Yeah, it'll fuck your car
up. It's crazy. See if you can find the video,
Jamie, of hailstorm in swimming pool. It's bananas.
It's like they're getting attacked. It's like
missiles are coming in into their swimming pool.
It's fucking bananas. Where is that? I don't
remember. I want to say it was Ohio. Jamie, while
you pull that up, can I 10 -1? Texas. Can I 10
-1? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry, guys. Go ahead.
Look at this, though. At least a fucking hail.
Oh, my God. Yeah. That poor cow. That poor cow.
That cow's getting lit up. That swimming pool
is getting rocked. That's insane. We'll pause
you real quick. I'll tinkle, too. We'll be right
back, folks. And we're back. So you say you got
into archery, or you tried it. I tried it. You
tried it? I tried it, yes, sir. Where'd you go?
I was in France. So I was in France working on
the wine and we were at the vineyard and we were
like, let's shoot some, shoot some bows. So we
had some French archers come out and they had
like, they had a compound and they had like just
another like recurve, like traditional, like,
yeah. And Joe Rogan, that is hard to do. It's
not easy to do. It is not easy to do at all.
And they want you to go forward. Do you go forward
when you shoot? No. They told you to go forward?
Yeah. Maybe it was with like an old oak bow.
Oh, okay. A long bow? Yeah. So they like told
you to go forward whenever to help your aim.
Interesting. Which seems counterintuitive because
you don't want to really move when you're...
Well, the whole thing about those old bows, whether
it's a recurve or a long bow, is that it's much
more of a feel thing. You have to practice with
them a lot, almost like throwing a rock. If you
throw a rock, or a baseball is a better example.
When you throw a baseball, you know how much
energy you have to put into that throw in order
to get into that strike zone. If you're throwing
a pitch, right? So that's like a knowledge of
how much force and how you can aim. This is the
same thing applies to arrows. You shoot enough
arrows, you know like where you have to hold.
Thank you, sir. At what distance when you're
releasing an arrow because you know the arc of
the arrow. It's feel. It's feel. It's feel. Compound
archery, what I do is very different. It's much
more calculated. I have a range finder. It's
telling me 52 yards. I dial it on my sight. My
pin moves up and down. And then I'm holding.
So do you have Picatinny on your bow? Oh, Picatinny
rail in the front? Yes, I do. Cool. Yeah. So
you put like an aim point. Well, this is where
the sight comes out of. The sight is slightly
to the left. What optic are you using? Well,
I don't use an optic. Okay. It's just a clear
hole, like a tube, with a fiber optic pin in
it. Okay. And that fiber optic pin is the indicator
that tells you what yardage, like if it's up
or down, right? So if it's up, that means it's
a close shot. If it's down, very low, that means
it's a long shot. So it's the arc of the arrow
over a course of time, and it's all calculated
on this thing. called archer's advantage which
is a computer program okay so you put in the
speed of the bow the weight of the arrow all
these different factors and you put it in and
it'll give you a sight tape nerd and yeah and
then you take this sight tape and like you you
dial it into 20 yards once you know where 20
yards is you got that indicator mark you mark
it off and then you put the tape down and then
once you put that tape down you're good to go
to like 100 yards 110 yards wherever you want
you just do your hold there exactly just hold
where that pin is it's much easier of shooting
a bow than traditional. But do you have a laser
rangefinder? Yes. Who makes a range finder? Oh,
a shit ton of companies. Is it the same as like
a firearm range finder? Yes, very similar. A
lot of the same companies like, you know, Vortex,
they make a great range finder. I use a Leupold
Full Draw 5 because it actually tells you, you
put in the arrow speed and all these different
factors, and it actually shows you the arc of
the arrow in the range finder. So like if I'm
trying to shoot an elk through a pocket in the
trees, it's like this big, and I'm 35 yards away.
I have to know that my arrow is not going to
hit the upper branches. Sure. Because at the
height of the arrow, it's higher than when it's
going to drop down. So you're putting the pin
where it wants to drop down. But it might be
like way up here when it's at 5 yards, 10 yards,
15 yards. And then it's going to drop down into
that spot exactly where you want it to go. So
this range finder. How big is what? The range
finder. It's little. It's like a phone, phone
size. So that's it right there. So I have a,
like I said, I have a full, it's called a loophole
full draw five, but I have a vortex one. It's
great too. It just doesn't have that thing where
you can, the reason why I use the full draw five
is that line is gigantic. If you're shooting
through obstacles and through branches, because
a lot of times an elk will be in an opening,
like there's two trees and the other like five
feet wide, but there's like this one branch that's
above him and you have, that's it. See, so that
line right there, it shows you the height of
the arrow. So like right there, In my mind, I
would think that could hit that branch. And is
that your hold there? Are you aiming for that
spot? No, no, no. The hold is where the crosshair
is. Okay, okay. And what that's indicative, that
line at the top, is indicative of the very height
of your arrow when it's at its highest point.
So that was a long shot. That's 78 yards. It's
a little unethical. A little unethical. It's
a long poke for a deer. But real elite archers
can do it. If you're like Cam Haynes, that's
a shot that he can take. Unethical because you
might... Hit him in the knee or something. Yeah,
I might fuck that shot up. Yeah. I wouldn't take
that shot. But I would on a big animal, like
a buffalo or something like that. You have, you
know, the vitals are this big. Have you ever
shot or what do you call it? Shooting? Archery?
Like what do you say when it's shooting? Have
you ever shot under like? night vision and nods
and stuff? No, that would be wild. Do you have
a pair? I do. You'd have a hard time seeing,
like, you wouldn't hold, see, like, the thing
about archery is... And it's one of the beautiful
things about it is, like, everything's repeatable.
Like, you have to have perfect form. So, like,
when I come to full draw, my string touches the
tip of my nose. This is in the corner of the
D loop is in the corner of my mouth. Does it
ever fuck you up? My knuckle is exactly where
my jaw lines up. That's where my knuckle sits.
It's a repeatable point. Sure. If I have nods
on, it's... It's not going to work. You can't
even do it with glasses. I don't even like it
with glasses on. It feels weird. It's like...
I have to be lined up with that string. And when
I'm lined up with that string, all I don't think
about a fucking thing in the world. All I think
about is releasing a perfect arrow. That's all
I'm thinking about. I'm not thinking about taxes.
I need gas. I got to fucking get my car. I got
to buy more arrows. I'm not thinking about any
of those things. All I'm thinking of is that
spot that I'm aiming at. And I think there's
a mind cleansing thing that comes from that.
And the release of it. It's got to feel like
so fucking good. i tried the hardest part for
me was getting that bow back and holding it yes
holding that string yeah like that was the heart
it takes a lot of shoulder it takes a lot of
arm my body's imbalanced the right side of my
body is thicker like all the way down my lats
my upper delts everything is much thicker on
this side because i pull a bow back Fucking hundred
times a day. Yeah every day. It's like these
muscle. I really have to balance it out. I feel
it sometimes I have the same thing but from jacking
off Just which hands yeah, well a stranger the
old stranger. It's hard man I have after that
experience. I was like you know what and plus
it the first couple times shooting were you scared?
of shooting a bow yeah it feels because that
is so snappy and when i was a kid i had like
a little fake bow and that's why i get the wrist
guard yes because that shit comes and it It blew
my arm up. It blew my arm up. We should see what
compound bows do. Compound bows. So if you're
pulling back like an 80 -pound bow and you have
all this force on those cams, when that string
comes and fucking slices against your forearm,
people get some gnarly fucking bruises there.
It looks nasty. Yeah, mine broke skin. It was
like bleed. It was like, dude, it was, it's.
Yeah, you got to learn proper form. Proper form,
proper stance. That never happens to me. Couldn't
think of a better teacher. You got to get a real
archery coach. He just turned me away. Joe Rogan
turned me away for archery lessons. I would 100
% give you archery lessons. I have a range right
here. Oh, go shoot after. I have a fucking 40
-yard range. That's amazing. Right here. Who
makes the best bow? They're all really good at
the highest level. I shoot with a Hoyt, but there's
a company called PSE. They make a great bow.
There's a company called Matthews. They make
a great bow. Bear makes a great bow. If you're
going to survive in the archery world, the archery
world is very unique in that there's yearly innovation.
So Hoyt puts out new bows every year. It's like
an iPhone. Engineers that are constantly tweaking
things. Pro staff guys like Cam Haynes is a professional
archer. Those guys, they all work. Sweet man,
too. He's the best. He's the nicest guy on earth,
right? But those guys give them feedback and
talk about this is what I like. This is what
I want. Can you change this? Can you change that?
And then every year they get a little better.
Every fucking year they get like incrementally
better. Do you run like a weight on yours? Yeah.
Is that what those long things are? Stabilizers.
Are the stabilizers on there? When you have a
weight out front. It keeps balance a little bit
better. And this is hard too. Not to fucking
mention pulling the string. I mean. Keeping your
arms straight. It's heavy. Yeah. It's not light.
No, you have to develop a certain amount of rigidity
in your form. Form is important. Yeah, that comes
from practice. You just have to practice a lot.
Archery is one of those things where you really,
like my friend John Dudley, who's one of the
best archery coaches alive, he practices hours
every day. He puts it up on his Instagram, puts
his little lessons up on his YouTube. He's shooting
arrows out in his yard. He has a giant range.
It goes out to like 150 yards or something. And
he's shooting out there. Every day. Hours and
hours and hours a day. That's why he's so good.
There's no shortcuts to figuring out how to be
good at that. It just takes constant repetitive
practice over and over again of focus and technique.
So what do you think of those guys that can shoot
like three arrows? It's pretty wild. It's cool.
It is fucking super cool. It's cool. Look, there's
a guy that does like... Yeah, he's so sick. I
think he's revitalized that whole idea. Because
I think for a long time they thought that people
carried arrows in their quiver and they pulled
one out. And he's like, no, there's a lot of
ancient depictions. The treatises. In ancient
times of guys holding three or four arrows in
their hand. And he thinks that's what they did.
I mean, that's what's so interesting. You look
at Hema. European martial arts or whatever. And
they like get in the armor with the training
swords and shit. And they're like, all they can
do is interpret these treatises that they had
and the shit that they wrote down, like all the
different guards and like the way that they would
actually fight. Right. Like, cause there's no
video. There's no real tutorial on how to do
it. Right. You have to interpret this stuff.
Good luck finding a dude who's won a sword fight.
Yeah, exactly. It's crazy. I've never met a dude
who's won a sword fight before. Oh, fuck. You
know, with what's going on now with slap fighting,
that's next. Oh, that's next. They'll do it in
a dungeon in Germany somewhere. The aliens are
going to come back and look at YouTube videos
like, how did they? And then take it. That'll
be their NFL. I would not be surprised. There's
a lot of, like, crazy underground fights that
are happening now, which is really interesting.
Really? They have these no -rules fights on concrete
where people are fighting with sneakers on. Yeah.
On which platform? Well, they're just doing it
online. And it's, like, it's gaming. Because
I remember, like, WorldStar fights and shit like
that. Like Kimbo Slice. These are, like, people
fight for money. Yeah, Kimbo Slice. Like a Kimbo
Slice thing, but with no rules. But they're doing
wild shit. Like you get paid extra if you could
bite a piece of the person off. That's crazy.
You can eye gouge. What website is this on? It's
just online. These guys have won like multiple
fights in a row by eye gouging. So they get on
top of guys and gouge their fucking eyeballs.
That's insane. Yeah. Yeah. That's insane. That's
like 4chan shit. There's no rules. You can bite
people. You can do whatever the fuck you want.
It's kind of crazy. That's crazy. Yeah, really
crazy. And you get paid extra for eyes. Brutal
Fight Club allies eye gouging with biting bonus
and extra for eating the chunk. Yeah. Million
subscribers. Where are these guys? It looks like
a hockey rink or something. Yeah, they're fighting.
That looks exactly like a hockey rink. And they're
fighting on ice? I don't think they're fighting
on ice, but I wouldn't be surprised. That's the
ice multiplier. Well, also, would you be allowed
to have spiked shoes? That would come into play.
That's crazy. Maybe you get paid less for the
spiked shoes. It gives you too much of an advantage.
Or maybe everybody wears them. Maybe it's just
the thing you wear. That's crazy. Yeah, ice fights
with spike shoes. If someone goes down, they
get stomped with spike shoes. You remember. They
changed the rules about eye gouging, apparently.
Okay, thank God. One guy will do it, but if you
win, you don't get any prize money. Oh, God.
Wait, eye gouging is a... This don't include
biting, it says. Is an occurrence of victory
that if you win by eye gouge... But look, they
still allow biting. This don't include biting.
Even the way they wrote it, this don't include
biting. Eye gouging is still permitted, but you
don't get paid. Bro. And I'll have you know,
this don't include biting, guys, by the way.
Guys, biting is still cool. What the fuck, man?
Biting. That's fucking crazy. That's fucking
crazy. So was UFC 1 and 2, when did the gloves
come in? Well, some guys started wearing gloves
on their own, like Vitor Belfort at UFC 12. What
a beast. Yeah. That was the first fight that
I ever worked. Vitor was one of the first guys
to show up with gloves on. He might have been
the first. No, no, Tank Abbott was the first.
I think Tank Abbott was the first guy to wear
gloves because he realized that those little
tiny gloves are only protecting his hands. They're
not really protecting, especially when you hit
as hard as Tank Abbott. And Tank Abbott just
went out and flatlined people with those gloves
on. Because you can really crack someone. If
you have your hands taped up nice, and you have
your wrists taped up nice, and you have padding
over your knuckles, you can really fucking crack
someone. Yeah. But it's hard to do that with
just your hands. Well, even doing, I never, I
thought the tape was to look cool. Yeah, here's
Tank. Which one? UFC 6. So he's definitely the
first. Yeah, Tank was fucking terrible. That
dude's got a shirt on. Bro, yeah, you could do
whatever you want. He had shoes on. They had
shoes. Tank was fucking, this was one of the
craziest knockouts ever. Because look how he
stiffens up. That's crazy. And then Tank mocks
him. That's crazy, dude. Yeah, dude, Tank was
a beast. He had no mouth guard in or anything.
Well, he might have. He might have gotten knocked
out, but either way. That's crazy. And I never
realized, I thought the tape was just to look
cool. Tape? Yeah. On your hands? Yeah. On your
wrists? Yeah. Oh, it's to protect your hand,
100%. Because I did a fight scene for an up -and
-coming film, and I just was, my hands, and even
pretending to hit, I had to fight a guy who was,
like, massive, like, big -ass buff dude, like,
300 pounds or just pure fucking, and, like, hitting
him, he was like, all right, give it to me. Yeah,
and so I wouldn't punch him full force, but I
would hit him, like, 20 % and even then I was
like oh my fucking god my wrist is like fucked
and I'm not a fighter by any means but we put
the tape on and it just it was so much more like
stable yeah yeah yeah that's the whole reason
for it I just thought it looked cool it does
look cool it does look cool it definitely looks
cool yeah no it's 100 % to protect your hand
and your wrist wrists get wrists are very fragile
Canelo Alvarez just fucked his wrist up he had
to get surgery on his wrist he's a beast he's
a beast he's a This is a beast. I'm talking more
about Jake. I want to see a UFC fight. You want
to see a UFC fight with Jake? Yeah. Well, he's
not going to fight for the UFC. He's got a contract.
MMA fight. He'll do an MMA. He's got a contract
with the PFL, which is another organization.
They're throwing a lot of money around. They
just signed Francis Ngannou, and Jake has a contract
with them. So if he has an MMA fight, I think
it has to be over there. Where's that? At PFL.
PFL? Yeah. I haven't watched the PFL. It's good.
Good fights. Good fighters. They got a lot of
elite guys. It's like, you know, a B -level organization
in terms of, there's only really one A -level
organization in America. Right. You know, that's
the UFC. Right. The other ones are just slightly
below, but there's elite guys in all of those.
There's elite guys in Bellator that could compete
in the UFC. Right. There's elite guys in the
PFL. And what is that, just contracting? It's
like your contract and shit like that. Yeah,
like that's what happened with Francis Ngannou
because he was the UFC heavyweight champion.
He didn't lose his title. He relinquished his
title due to contract negotiations and decided
he was going to leave. And so he vacated the
title and they gave him a big chunk of money
to go to the PFL. Right. I got to watch a PFL
fight. Yeah, this is good fights. It's got a
wacky point system that you're not going to understand
because I don't understand it. I don't understand
any points in UFC or boxing. Oh, like when they,
like it's like a 10 -9 round, like that kind
of thing? Because I'm like, well, you watch,
and I know, albeit I know nothing about fighting,
but I'm like, that dude definitely won that round.
But it always seems to be so close, kind of,
but it's always like unanimous decision is whenever
the judges all agree. Yeah. It's all the same.
Right. But I don't. I don't quite understand
the whole deal. I don't understand. So what are
they going off of? Knockdowns is a big one. Knockdowns
is a big one. Punches landed is a big one. So
what is the ratio? So here, let's take a look
at that. What is the ratio between punches thrown
and punches landed? How does that affect points?
Well, it doesn't. If you still land a lot and
you miss a lot. So if you're a highly active
fighter that throws like 150 punches a round
and you land 50 and your opponent only lands
10 but they only threw 30, you still won that
round. Right. You just let a lot more volume,
a lot more. But even though you're missing, what
counts is how many you land. You don't get penalized
for missing. For missing. Right. Because if you're
a guy who just throws a lot of fucking punches,
you're going to miss a lot of punches too. If
you have some insane cardio and you just go after
a guy. throw insane volume at them. Well, you
take 100 % of the shots you miss. Isn't that
the saying? You miss 100 % of the shots you don't
take. But you do take 100 % of the shots you
miss, too. That's a pessimistic version of that.
A little bit, but it is true. 100 % of the times
you missed, you took a shot. That's true. That's
unavoidable. My buddy told me that, and I was
like, oh, that's amazing. It is. That's amazing.
Nobody wants to think about that. No one thinks
about that. You got to go for it. A lot of people
go for it. They said Michael Jordan said that.
Did he? And then Michael Jordan didn't say that.
You might have said it and forgot. You might
have been in a competitive trance. Oh, it's Wayne
Gretzky. You miss 100 % of the shots you don't
take. Wayne Gretzky, Michael Scott included in
the quotes. Michael Scott said it afterwards.
Oh, that's funny. Michael Scott's probably one
of the most legendary characters of all time.
How about the fact that that guy went on to play
that creepy DuPont guy in that movie. What was
that movie? The wrestling movie? Foxcatcher.
Did you ever see that movie? No, sir. Bro. It's
a crazy movie, but he plays this really fucking
creepy dude. He did an incredible job. The makeup
is good. Yeah, it was really good. Good movie.
Can't recommend it enough. Channing Tatum? Mm
-hmm. Young Channing Tatum? Yeah. What year is
that? 2014. Steve Carell kills it in that movie.
It's a really good movie, man. There's some fucked
up things about that movie, like historical inaccuracies,
because it has to do with some real wrestlers,
and they took some liberties with the story.
Sure. But Steve Carell nails it. If you just
want to see it as a movie and not think about
it being, whether it's accurate. Yeah, because
I'm totally clueless about it. It's interesting.
It's just crazy that that's the guy from The
Office. He's so good. Yeah, man. He's so good.
Crazy range. Have you met Channing? Mm -mm. Oh,
my God. No. He's the best. Is he? Yeah, he's
the best fucking guy. I remember I was working
on the last album, and we did a whole bunch of
shroomies and just listened to it. He's such
a fucking cool motherfucker. I like it when I
hear about cool people. Me, too. And, you know,
it's always scary because you never really know.
You never really know. You feel like you know,
and that's kind of a whole thing with... You
know, the way everything is today is like, oh,
I feel like I know. I've seen you before. Right.
I see everything that you do. I know where you
are 24 hours a day. I know you. Yeah. And it's.
I'm looking at you on Snapchat map. Exactly.
Well, I'm looking at you on OnlyFans. Imagine
OnlyFans had a map of where the girls are all
the time. That's fucked. No way. No, that'd be
terrible. It's so crazy how anyone knows where
you are. Yeah. At all times. Well, the government
does. It's crazy. Someone does. If they're looking
for you. By the way. If you're carrying a phone
around. I'm a good boy. You're a good boy. I'm
a good boy, too. I just want to let them know.
Joe's a good boy, too. We pay our taxes. We pay
our taxes, and we are not kids, and we definitely
pay our taxes. We're only good. Only good, not
bad. God bless America. It's, I don't know. It's
so crazy nowadays, the way that. People feel
so personal with people, but it's super unpersonal
at the same time. I remember whenever I started
losing my weight, everybody was like, hey, this
is what meth looks like. And I started dancing
on stage and having fun and having more energy
and just enjoying life again. You know what I
mean? Like I mentioned, I was shitty for a long
time, but I had my baby and I'm in a great fucking
spot. And then the first thing that happens is
like, oh, he's on fucking drugs. And I'm like,
well, I know there's people that genuinely care.
Right. And they're concerned that maybe you are
on drugs. Right. But there's also people that
are just like, all right, kids, this is what
fucking meth looks like. Yeah. And definitely
not on meth. Definitely not on any fucking hard
drugs, but you feel an inclination almost as
a public figure to have to justify something
that you don't need to justify. First off, it's
nobody's business. Second off, don't just fucking
assume everything. You know what I mean? Yeah.
It's like, so I was like, hey, guys, not on fucking
drugs. And I know that's the crazy part is because
I know there's people that. really give a shit
but there's also a lot of people that are just
like mean you know people are just mean in general
online you never have to face repercussions yeah
they're just not happy with their own life and
they want you to fail and that's that's what
you're reading you know that's all that is it's
just someone wants you to be and then there's
you know an unusual thing like all of a sudden
you have this unusual amount of energy and joy
for life yeah like oh i don't know seems different
i'm not buying it something can't be that love
drug it's got to be something else it's it's
it's it's it's interesting to to See it happen.
And I don't know how much you, how much do you
pay attention to social media? Almost none. I
read other stuff about other things, but I don't
pay attention to anything about me. It's not
healthy for you. It's not. A long time ago I
got off, and that was like the best decision
I've ever made. But it is a good source of interesting
shit. There's a lot of interesting things to
pay attention to in the world. But you have to
kind of be real careful how you curate it. And
I think with some people, what I see and I follow
quite a few people that I can tell that this
is what's going on. It's their daily obsession
is interacting on Twitter and like saying things
and arguing with people and getting in confrontations
and, you know, and dunking on people. Right.
So they do it all day long. It's like it's one
of their main interactions. That they have with
human beings. The amount of time they put into
it probably dwarfs all the other time they put
in with human beings. Right. And it's a crazy,
crazy fucking thing, too. Who decides what is
interesting, too? Because I'll tell you what,
the submarine thing. With the submarine that
went to go see the Titanic? Yeah. Or not submarine,
but the whole Titanic deal, the submersible thing.
Not once, Joe, in my entire life have I said,
if I get on my phone and I'm like, hey, or if
I'm not even on my phone, if I'm just like, hey,
I want a jet ski, I'm thinking about getting
a jet ski. And then the next time you get out
your phone, you get an ad for a jet ski, right?
But not once in my life have I been like, oh,
like, submersibles are very interesting to me.
Like, I want to go see the fucking Titanic. How
was that story everywhere? Well, because the
people that were involved were very wealthy.
And when wealthy people do stupid shit, we have
a certain sense of glee. Like when some wealthy
billionaire wants to take a rocket into space
and it blows up. People would be like, ha ha.
There's a part of that. Right. There's definitely
a part of ha ha. If you are a person who gets
to watch people do something that you think is
really fucking stupid, like get into an unproven
watercraft. With a GameCube controller. That's
been, had people resign because of safety concerns.
Right. That's one of those things where when
people die like that, people enjoy watching it.
They enjoy paying attention to it. Is that weird?
It's weird. It's also fear. It's the fear of
the actual experience of being that person because
you could imagine it. You could imagine if you
had been talked into it somehow. Everybody says
it's totally safe. Right. Don't worry. And you're
like, okay, let's do it. Let's do it. And then
you're down there in the ocean and then you hear
a crack. Yeah. And you're like, oh, Jesus. But
those guys, they died so fast. Supposedly. Okay.
Yeah. What I heard is that something failed and
it plummeted. And that as it was plummeting,
they probably knew they were dying as it was
plummeting into the ocean. Because the actual
collapse would be tens of a second, is what they
said. Imagine the force behind that weight. All
that water. If the clouds are a million pounds.
Yeah. A cloud. It's floating in the sky and it's
a million pounds. All that shit around you. Imagine
you're 4 ,000 feet deep in the ocean. That's
fucking crazy. Boom. It's just pink mist. Do
you think that's never happened before? I'm sure
it's happened before. It's definitely happened
before. And it's just so crazy. Like, I don't
know. That's all anybody talked about for a week.
Right. And then now no one fucking talks about
it. It just comes and goes. Well, because we
found out that they died and then there's not
much more to say other than, you know, people
go looking into the history of the safety concerns
that these engineers had. Right. How did anybody
ignore that? How did they allow people to do
this? And, you know, the dude who ran it, you
know, they're fascinated by him because he was
actually in it. It's not like he just put somebody
in it. He went in it himself. So he believed
in it. He died with them. He was on that trip.
Yeah. Yes, which is wild too. So the whole story
is – it's a thing when we see someone do something
and die and we think it's unnecessary or stupid.
There's a part of us that like has to study it
because that's how you learn – even if it's something
you would never do. That's how you learn to never
do that. When you see some guy and he's taking
a selfie on a skyscraper and he falls. You're
like, Jesus. It just cements it in your head.
Don't fucking do that. Don't do that. Don't fucking
do that. But that's like, I don't know. That's
like evolution. It's like you're kind of like.
Well, you don't want to be up that high. That's
okay. I don't want to go anywhere fucking near
that. And my body says, don't fucking go anywhere
near that high. And some people are like, bro,
I'm going to do chin -ups. And then some, like,
down that low, too. Well, it's just, I don't
know. Like, I talk, a lot of my buddies who surf,
they're like, oh, yeah, I jumped on an airplane
like a thousand fucking times. Yo. How? Why?
How? Yo, yo, yo. It's not right. I'm a terrestrial
being. It's a terrible way to die. I'm so happy
being here. I'm so happy being here. Me too.
My friend Brian, his... No, see, this is wrong.
Don't show me this, Jamie. Stop. I get sweaty.
Jamie, that's wrong. I get sweaty. I get sweaty
hands. These motherfuckers drive me nuts. Why?
It's so crazy. I'm not going to lie to you. Have
you seen... Oh, fuck. There was a movie about
this. Like, Free Climber. Oh. Alex Honnold? Or
are you talking about The Alpinist? The Ice Climber?
It wasn't a non -fiction. It was a fictional
movie. Oh, a fictional movie. But she climbed
up this cell phone tower right before they were
going to tear it down. And she gets stuck up
there. Oh, Jesus Christ. And my feet were sweating.
And I love horror movies. I love horror movies,
all this shit. But watching that, I'm like...
Yeah, fall. Do not show me this. Do not show
me this. Stop it. Stop it, Jamie. No, don't show
me this, man. I want to watch this. Oh, God damn
it. It is so... Okay, stop, stop, stop, stop,
stop. I was so pumped because I was like, this
movie scared the dog shit out of me. And I love
scary movies. I love them. I watch them like
every fucking night, go to bed, all this shit.
But that movie scared the shit out of me. There's
a movie about a bunch of people that are in a
ski resort. And they're on like the last of the
fucking, what are those things? Gondola. What
are those things? The ski thing. Gondola. What
are the skis? What do they call them? Ski lifts?
It depends on where. Gondola is like the fancy
way. Right. That's the indoor ones, right? So
they're on the ski lift and the fucking park
shuts down. Like they try to catch the last one.
park shuts down, they get stuck. And then they
get hunted by wolves. Is it with Liam Neeson?
Is it called Frozen? Yeah, it's called Frozen.
Frozen has Elsa in it. That's a different Frozen.
Okay. Yeah, you don't want to get the wrong one
for your kid. I've seen Frozen with Elsa about
30 times, man. This isn't fucking Frozen. Where's
Elsa? Daddy's an asshole. Imagine, girls, you
want to watch Frozen? Yeah. Look, it says Frozen.
Stop crying. People used to get eaten by wolves.
It was normal. You break your leg in the woods.
The wolf's name is Elsa. She's so cute. I think
at one point in time a guy tries to climb down,
he falls, and then the wolves get him. There's
a bunch of scenes like that. Spoiler alert. It's
that shit like that. Yeah, this is it. So they
get stuck. Fuck that, dude. Yeah, and then the
wolves come out. That's such a good concept,
though. It was a good movie, man. It was a good
movie. I love it. And see the wolves are below
him. Shut up, Jamie. You're goofy. Shut up, Jamie.
That's scary. That's scary. That's scary. Bro,
have you ever been on a ski lift and it stops?
I'm just like, how would you be stuck? I like
how they tried to add impact in the trailer to
the word two. I think what it was, if I remember.
It was like, boom, two. It was one of those deals
where someone knew somebody and they let them
in and then no one knew that they were on the
lift. Because they were the last one. They weren't
supposed to be skiing. But there were some kids.
They snuck in. They got on the lift. And no one
knew they were on the lift. So when it stopped,
no one knew. No one knew there was people on
it. That was my biggest fear, too, getting lost
in, like, the Walmart and my mom was gone. Like,
she left me there and there was no one there.
But now that I'm older, I realize how badass
that would be to be stuck in a Walmart with no
one there. That would be, like, the funnest time
ever. If you could get over your anxiety, the
fact that you were stuck in a Walmart. Yeah,
if I was just my age, I'm 28, and I told my 10
-year -old self, I was like, good, you run away
from your mom right now. You get stuck in the
fucking Walmart. You stay under a shelf until
everyone leaves, and then you can just fucking
go run around. And they always give you shit
about playing with the balls. The balls in the
pen, not like your balls. They do? They give
you shit about playing with your balls in Walmart,
too. Whenever you take the big balls out of the
thing, you know what I'm talking about? Now they
close them up. Really? Yeah, they close them
up so the kids don't play with them. Because
you don't got to buy it. You just take it out
and play with it the whole time you're in Walmart.
Right. And they don't want kids playing at Walmart?
They don't want kids playing at Walmart. Are
you kidding me? I can't tell you how many times
I walk into a Walmart and I see a bunch of kids
fucking having fun and playing and I'm just like,
I'm out. Yeah, what would be the... Negative
effect of kids playing at Walmart. I have to
fucking leave, man. There's too many kids playing
around here. I guess the only negative would
be if somebody wanted to buy the ball the kid
was playing with. Joe, you know there are people
that would get pissed. Oh, for sure. Because
these kids would throw them at the old lady and
she'd freak out. That's true. Especially in this
day and age. We've seen the Karen montages. Yes.
It's funny that that one name just took off.
Crazy. I know a lot of beautiful Karens, like
genuinely named Karen. Really nice people, and
they're stuck. They're stuck with that. It's
crazy how names like that, now that we're in
this phase, no one in this generation will name
their daughter Karen. Probably not. Yeah, I would
like to see how many people were named Karen
in the year 2022. Probably like 10, sub 10. We're
talking sub 10s here. I bet it was still thousands.
I bet there's thousands of Karen's. Sub 10. There's
a woman out there named Karen, and Karens are
the type of girl to name their daughter Karen
too. She's Karen Jr. Shut the fuck up. Mind your
business. So there must have been a shitty, so
like the Karens of like. 100 years ago were probably
Gertrude, because there's no Gertrudes anymore.
Yeah, Gertrudes got phased out. That's actually
a beautiful name, Gertrude. It's lovely, but
it's got such this bad rep. Yeah, there's like
eras of names. The Karens are the Gertrudes of
100 years ago. They're like, let me speak to
your manager. And then they're like, oh, she's
such a total Gertrude. Isn't that interesting
that it's super common for men to name their
son the same name as them? Sure. But it's not
common for women to do that. It's almost like
never. I never hear that. I've never met a junior
lady ever. Yeah. That doesn't exist. That's fascinating.
That is a really interesting point to show how
much more fucked up men are than women. That's
fucking crazy. This motherfucker is going to
be just like me. He will carry my name like it's
me. He is literally my cum. Yeah, he's my cum
manifesting itself. Yeah. It's weird. Yeah, it
is weird. It's a male thing. Yeah, man. Did you
see the Barbie movie? No, I have not. No, sir.
A lot of people were upset about the Barbie movie,
and I left perplexed. Did you see it? Yeah, it
was a fun movie. Was it good? Fun, silly movie
about dolls who come to life. But a lot of it
is about the patriarchy. Sure. And it's a comedy.
It's a comedy about dolls. Sure. People are upset
that it's this. you know, like progressive metaphor
for life that it's, you know, that they're pushing
progressive politics in this. I'm like, it's
a fucking doll movie. It's a doll movie. It's
a fun movie about dolls who come to life and
try to interact with the real world. And there's
this lady in it. Who's this mom who I'm spoiler
alert, who makes. barbie feel sad because she's
playing with barbie and she has sad feelings
it's it's a fucking interesting movie it's like
because i was like wow this is a original movie
like no one's ever done a movie like this before
it's not like anything else you could say it
was it was bizarre movie but it was a fun silly
movie i laughed but at the end of it i was like
how did people get outraged at that like it make
they were saying it's anti i know some people
personally said it's anti -men i'm like no it's
it's making fun of dorks It's making fun. It's
fun. You didn't think it was fun? Like if that
was a real person, that happening to them, isn't
that fun? Well, Marco and Ryan are just like.
Amazing. Amazing together in that movie too.
I have to see it. I want to see it. I enjoyed
it. I just didn't understand why people were
getting so upset. Do you think that's you? Are
all men in this one? Are we going to do this
thing where we put all men as men? It's one category.
We're not going to judge people as individuals.
We're going to pretend that these individuals
in this middle who are clearly dorks because
they're designed to. It's fun. You don't think
what happens to them and the way it happens isn't
fun? I don't understand why people think that
represents all men. It's the dumbest sort of...
How does it... What was the... You said it's
anti -men. They think it's a super woke movie.
I just... That's the way to make that movie.
It's also a fucking movie. But it's also a movie
about how Barbies are the dolls that everyone
cares about, and Ken is just a fucking accessory,
which is real. So when you bring these things
into a movie, you make them real -life Barbie
land, that's how they have to be, because that's
how it is in the real world. That's the movie.
Right. And in the movie, they go to the real
world, and we're all, it sucks, and it's run
by men. And so this is what people are saying
makes this an anti -men movie. That's a good
concept, though. It's a fucking fun movie, man.
I don't get it. I'm appalled at how easily outraged
so many people are. I could see if you don't
like it. I could see if it wasn't your kind of
movie. But that's anything that someone creates.
Well, to be honest, to be fair about that, it's
also like... You said it's not your kind of movie.
It's also the Barbie movie. Right. You have to
kind of, you have to kind of like, you can't
go in there walking so seriously about it. Right.
Why would you go to see ACDC if you fucking hate
ACDC? Yeah. Yeah. If you're like into classical
music. It's just to make fun of Brian Johnson
and be like, you're no Bond fucking Scott, man.
You know that. I'm scared of that shit. I'm scared
that people buy tickets to come and make fun
of me. That's like my biggest fear. That's my
biggest fear. I haven't seen it yet, and hopefully
don't do that. But it's all right because I still
sold a ticket. Go ahead. Sit in the front with
your frown on. But it's actually really nice.
This tour has been really nice. I feel like looking
out at the crowd, it's not so phone -centric,
which everything has become. It's really nice
to be able to interact with people because you
go and see a show and everybody and their dog
has their phone out. You know what I mean? I
feel like this tour has been less. phone centric
which is like a beautiful thing for me as a like
a performer yeah they're tuned in they're actually
having a human experience yeah yeah a live performance
experience yeah which i i feel like you know
is everything is like oh pixar didn't happen
you know what i mean right right right when you
could just they used to tell crazy fucking stories
like well okay this dude fought like six dudes
and by himself all this shit but like you could
just take someone's word that it was, like, cool.
Like, you can just be like, it was fun. We had
so much fun. Oh, sick. You got any pictures?
No, I just had a great fucking time. Just enjoyed
the concert. Yeah, man. Yeah, just have a human
experience. But I get also why people want to
say that they were there and say they love you
and, you know, show was awesome. Yeah. We had
a great fucking time. Here's a photo of you on
stage rocking out. It's like it adds the experience
for them. Yeah, I mean, that's badass. That's
badass to take. photos and videos and shit of
your favorite moment. Just don't get lost in
your phone. Well, that's the whole thing because
I don't want someone, I don't want to go up on
stage and have someone just playing fucking Candy
Crush. You know what I mean? That's the most
expensive Candy Crush games of all time. Maybe
they just like Candy Crush with you in the background.
This is great. What an experience. But then it's
just like, oh, it's like Candy Crush with me
in the background. It'll be just like, oh, like
I'm at home. Yeah. Just playing Candy Crush with...
At home in an arena, staring at their phone,
playing a game with you right behind them singing.
You can do like chameleon eyes. You can play
Candy Crush here and then just go fucking over.
So much stimuli. I think that actually might
be fun. I think that might be. I think I should
just play Candy Crush on stage. I think that's
actually my new shit, is I'll just go play Candy
Crush. Not an ad. Or not a sponsor. What is that
Subway Surfers one? Is that the one? That one
is addictive. That game is crack. That's a crack
game. It's so addictive. My wife got into that
one for a while. So did one of my daughters.
So watching that game, it's like, get that fucking
thing away from me. I'm playing Marvel Snap.
Jamie, you play Marvel Snap? What's that? It's
a Marvel card game. Oh. Speaking of cards, what
about that cool card you just bought? Oh, yeah.
Fuck, man. What'd you buy? You bought some wacky
card, right? I bought a crazy, crazy card. Probably
the dumbest thing. Not dumbest, but most irresponsible
use of my money I've ever experienced. I bought
a $2 million Magic the Gathering card. Wow. What
kind of market is there for a $2 million? Are
you bidding against yourself? Are there other
people that are like, I'm in. He was like, all
right, well, Posey said you could get two five
for it. I said, fuck. Two six. But, man, I don't
know. So it's a Lord of the Rings Magic the Gathering
collab they did. And there's only one of them.
There's only one card. There's only one of them.
So out of all the boosters, all the collectors
packs they sold. That was the one, and a guy
in Toronto, his name's Brooke, he's an absolute
fucking legend. And he worked at Costco, and
he went to his local game store, and I don't
know exactly how much he wants me to share, but
he went to his local game store and pulled it
out of a pack, and it was a $2 million card.
Wow. Isn't that crazy? It literally is like Willy
Wonka's fucking... Golden ticket. Yeah, man.
It's so fucking cool. Well, as long as it gives
you joy. Very much so. I would give that away.
If somebody gave me one of those, I'd give it
to you. Like, I don't know what to do with this.
Fuck, I wish you pulled it. I wish you pulled
it. I would have just gave it to you. 100 % I
would have just gave it to you. But yeah, I don't
know. I love... Have you ever played Magic the
Gathering? No. Joe Rogan? No. You would be a
beast. I don't think I would. It's a card game?
Yes, sir. Yeah, I'm out. You don't play poker
or nothing? No. Nothing? I appreciate it. I've
watched a bunch of people play blackjack in Vegas.
Dana White and a bunch of football players. I
love blackjack. Oh, it's so scary. They were
betting so much money. It was terrifying. Isn't
it fun? Yeah. I enjoy watching. But I have an
addictive personality. Sure. Particularly when
it comes to games. Sure. I get very addicted
to games. So I have to be very careful because
I'm at casinos all the time because I'm at UFC
fights. So I'm in Vegas all the time. I cannot
be that guy. Well, magic's not a gambling game.
You don't bet for money. You just play. Okay.
And it's like, so there's over like. Jamie, would
you let me know how many magic cards? I think
there's over 30 ,000 unique magic cards right
now. And so you're playing, and how does it work?
You get dealt a hand? No, you draw from your
deck. So if you're playing commander, it'll be
you, me, and then two of our other buddies. Okay.
Oh, shit, there's 50 ,000 unique. 49 ,998 total
unique English language magic cards. Wow. Isn't
that fucking crazy? Think about it. And the way
that it works, it's like chess. It's just very,
it's a game of nuance. And it's just like, it's
the best game ever, ever created. Really? Ever
created. Wow. In history. Wow. I don't have time
for that game. No. If you don't have time for
Diablo, don't get into Magic. Because this shit
will eat your fucking life. It is like, in a
good way. I enjoy playing. Right. Getting together
with my buddies, and you just got three of your
good friends, four including me, and you're just
sitting there smoking, drinking, talking shit
just like this, but you're also fucking playing
chess with over 50 ,000 different pieces you
could utilize and create whatever the fuck you
want with. It's an amazing experience. Okay.
I see it. I see what you're saying. Obviously,
there's a large group of people that believe
that as well, that agree with you. I mean, it's
a huge game. It's huge. It's the best game. It's
the best game ever created. What is the number
one game that people are playing right now? If
you had to add in video games, chess, everything,
what's the number one game? Grand Theft Auto
5 or probably like Baldur's Gate is massive right
now. They had like 600 ,000 people right now.
But maybe Fortnite? Yeah. Fortnite's huge. Still,
Fortnite's killing it. Fortnite's been around
a while now. Yeah. Right? Look up, like, most
concurrent players, Jamie. Minecraft. Minecraft.
Minecraft or Roblox, probably. Roblox? Roblox.
Wait, we didn't do it the same. Minecraft. Roblox.
Yeah, Roblox is very popular with the kids. Your
kids play Roblox? Yeah, they play Roblox. How
much money have you given to them for Roblox?
Robux. Yeah, for the Robux. Stealing Robux. It's
a fucking addictive game, though. But all good
games are very addictive. That's the whole thing.
They're engaging. And they're way more engaging
than regular life. If you're playing a game of
Quake when you're running down these alleyways
and people are shooting rockets at you, it's
so stimulating. But when I was done, I never
felt good. I can play pool for hours, and when
I'm done, I feel good. I feel fine. I had fun.
But when I'm playing games, when it's over, my
body's all cracked out. I'm like, yeah. It's
the same with beer pong. Beer pong I can play
forever. Yeah, it's fun, right? It's a physical
thing you're doing. Yeah, like pool is a very,
it's a physical, mental thing that you're doing,
but. There's something about video games that
just stimulate your brain at high revs. Your
first -person shooters and rocket launchers,
and you're running around the map, and you hear
the guy behind you, and you're ducking this way
and jumping down and running, trying to get to
health. It's just so stimulating. Yeah, it's
right in your fucking face. Yeah, and the visuals
are so insane now. The graphics are incredible.
Why do you think that VR isn't as big as... it
was planned to be. I don't think you can force
anything on people. I think you, I don't think
you can like have some big marketing campaign
and get people into something. You just have
to show that you have a product and find out
how many people are interested in that product.
Right. I mean, promote it for sure. I don't think
people want to wear that thing in their head.
No, sir. And they also don't want to be, like,
stuck in a house not knowing what's actually
out there. Oh, and, like, tripping over your
dog. Bumping the walls, stepping on your cat.
You know, like, you're just walking around there.
I think my baby tripped me on purpose the other
day I was playing. My friend Matt Serra, he plays
a bunch of different games with VR. And, like,
he had people over his house, and he was yelling
and screaming in the other room. And his wife
had to come and tell him, just shut the fuck
up. We have Gus. Yeah, we have Gus. And he's
got this fucking helmet on and he's screaming
and doing some wacky first -person shooter. In
VR? Yeah, in VR. I like to imagine that's what,
you hear stories about Prince's parties and how
he'd have people over to his house but never
see them, very like Great Gatsby style. Oh, really?
And he would just buy like McDonald's fries for
everybody and be like, check in on the intercom
and be like. I hope everybody's having fun. That's
so weird. That's so weird. I like to imagine
he had the first VR headset and he was just up
in the fucking room cussing and yelling like
that. That's so weird. I mean, at the end of
the day, right, if you are exuberantly successful
and you have that wealth, I can only imagine
what some of these... billionaire parties are
like, you never see the fucker that throws it.
He's like, oh, I bought this house for this party.
I don't want to hang out with any of you motherfuckers.
I just want to show you that I can do this. You
know what I mean? And how much joy does that
bring you? You know what I mean? It's weird.
Well, I've never been. I've never been to a billionaire's
party. I've never been to a billionaire's party
either. Dana's got to be getting up there, I
know. Yeah, he's close. He's probably worth half.
Or more. Maybe even more than that. I don't know.
I don't know what his finances are, but he's
very wealthy. Wait, he doesn't tell you verbatim?
He doesn't send you tax statements? I called
him up the other day. He didn't respond. I asked
him about his tax returns. He is at a party.
But I know he fucking gambles a shitload, man.
He loves it. But that's his thing. He fucking
loves it. And he's good at it. He wins a lot.
He loves it. That's his fun. He likes gambling.
He likes gambling high stakes. For me... I'm
not that rich, but I've been lucky enough to
experience wealth. You know what I mean? And
be able to enjoy nicer stuff. Yeah. Going to
Vegas, at a certain point doing what you do,
we talked about getting like... you want to find,
it's kind of like a rush. It's like you play
for that kind of rush. It's like, so you, if
you play, like I go and I play like $5 hands
with my buddies and stuff. But whenever, you
know, all my friends leave and stuff, I want
to go and I want to do like, I want to play like
$40 ,000 and spread it out across and I want
to play. You know what I mean? Because it's so
hard to get. excited about five bucks sure right
you know what i mean and that's how they fucking
get you they really play to that And they're
like, oh, you're hot shit. Okay, come play. Come
play. We would love to play with you. And then
you want to feel that. You want your nuts to
fucking tingle. And you want to be like, oh,
man, I need an extra chair for my nuts, man.
And then you want to let it all fucking ride
out. I get it. I was watching it. I was watching
them bet $60 ,000 a hand. And my hands got clammy.
I was like, this is wild. But whenever you win
that. That rush is like fucking nothing else.
I don't gamble anymore. I went to Vegas recently.
I lost a fuck ton of money. And somehow my Vegas
trips always end up with me on the foot of my
bed. And I'm like, oh, fuck, dude. What an idiot.
What a fucking asshole. I play blackjack. Yeah?
Yeah. Are you a risk taker? Are you a hit on
17 kind of guy? No, not 17. 16 is... You know,
people are like, oh, you got to stay on the 16.
But you want to let it ride sometimes. I don't
know. I usually let a 16 ride. I usually just
let it go because I'm like, there's no way. God
is either really fucking funny and he's like.
Because whenever I hit, I always bust. And then
the next time they'll flip over. A five. Yeah.
And it's just like, it's a cosmic joke. But it's
so much fun. It's too much fun. That's the problem.
Exactly. That's why I don't go play. It's this
weird artificial hijacking of your human reward
system. It puts you in this position where you
can choose the amount of threat and danger and
the amount of victory. You can choose. what to
engage in that's dangerous but it doesn't have
any physical consequences just you just lose
money yeah like that's my yeah that's my doing
fucking pull -ups on the fucking building that
is too tall it's ungodly it's ungodly that's
exactly what it's like it's that same kind of
rush i think of doing a very dangerous thing
like a wild thing but i think it's good now i
don't know like You see all the deals in the
casino like, hey, you can talk to me. You know
what I mean? Like if you have a problem, you
know, like if you want to reach out and talk
to somebody about how much you gamble, there's
all these pamphlets and brochures and I'm like.
I've never met anyone who's had to call one or
never called one, but I don't know. I think that's
a good thing, and I don't know how helpful they
are. Probably very not. Unless they have a bag
of mushrooms for you. Unless they have a fat
bag of mushrooms. You know what? I'd actually
rather go do some fucking mushrooms. And you
guys go in the forest and you find out why you're
into gambling. Yeah, exactly. That's what it
is. Exactly. Then you break it all fucking down.
And then you'll stop gambling. Yeah, man. It's
so stupid. I don't gamble anymore. I haven't
been to Vegas in like three days. I haven't been
to Vegas in like fucking four days. I very, very,
very rarely gamble. I was there once for a show
that a friend of mine was doing. I was riding
with my wife. We played a little bit of blackjack.
We played for like an hour. I was like, this
is kind of stupid. Let's get out of here. It's
just I get it. I get the rush. I don't want to
be a part of it. I don't have any time. It's
not worth it anymore. It's not worth it anymore.
I got no time for that. Have you since moving
to this new building? I had a thought, Papa.
Have you experienced any hauntings? I am so glad
you brought that up. See, I can read him. I knew
it. It's not about this building, but it's about
where my club is. Okay. My club, I bought the
Ritz Theater, which is an ancient theater, well,
an old theater, historic theater. It's like 2
,000 years old. It's 1927. So it's been a pool
hall. It was like a nudie bar or a nudie movie
theater. It was a rock and roll club. Jimi Hendrix
performed there. There's a photo as you're getting
towards the stage. It's a framed photo of Hendrix.
Not Hendrix, excuse me. Stevie Ray Vaughan. Stevie
Ray Vaughan on that stage in 1983. Oh, dude.
It's my favorite. He's like my favorite. I fucking
love him. He's the best guitar player of all
time. Except for Brad Paisley. And Hendrix. Hendrix
is good. Oh, how dare you. I know. I'm so sorry.
He's the pioneer now. I know. I know. The shit
that he did with sound. But I guess I'm more
of a control guy when it comes to tone. His tone
was impeccable. But I don't know. Control is
super. Watching those, like Pat Metheny and like...
Eric Johnson and shit. Watch it. Sorry to go
off. No, no. Please, I want to hear it. Because
I agree. Steve Ray Vaughan was a master. There's
no ifs, ands, or buts about it. He was amazing.
The point is there's a photo of him as you're
walking towards the stage. Him on that stage
in 1983. And someone apparently, I need to find
this out. Google murder at the Ritz Theater.
Because people that know the building. are now
telling me that at one point in time someone
was murdered there on the second floor. Supposedly.
I haven't even looked it up. But I am bringing
in ghost hunters. To the building? Yes. Who?
Sam and Colby. Those guys on YouTube. I've had
them on the podcast before. They're kids. Well,
they're your age. Yes, sir. They go to these
houses. I called you a kid. You're a big old
beard. You're a man, son. I've been working.
It took me fucking 28 years to grow this goddammit
joke. That's a serious fucking man beard, son.
Thank you, sir. That's a real beard. I'm waiting
for it to close up and then we're good. But I'm
going to have these guys bring in their equipment
and go in there late at night and see what they
find. I haven't had anybody say that they've
had. anything weird happened nothing but the
building feels like it knows you're there it's
like charged well it's old i think i think that
things contain memories i think that's why people
don't want to buy a house or someone was murdered
in it it's a stone tape theory i just showed
you a theory give me it no i mean it's just like
it's just that that shit imprints with energy
and history and i think that i think that's totally
true i mean you can walk into a place you walk
into a new house and it feels empty as fuck yeah
but you walk into an old house and you're like
yeah and that could just be you know this is
an old house fuck there's got to be some history
here this is a new house there's no history here
this is completely blake slade but it it's you
feel it you feel it you're like there's some
shit that happened here whether good or bad or
just families and families that had a natural
family progression or a fucking house where uh
the daughter whatever murdered everybody with
an axe whatever you know but there's always i
don't know you feel shit it's it's totally possible
things contain some kind of memory or some kind
of feeling to them That's one of the interesting
things about when you're in the woods is the
indifference that you feel. You feel nature's
indifference to you. That's one of the more humbling
things. That makes people feel uneasy. Very uneasy.
But it's also because you stepped into a world.
That is just tooth and claw. Fucking eat you
alive. Yeah, and they're eating things around
you all the time. That's exactly how population
is controlled. There's predators around you all
the time. Eyes front. Yeah, eyes front. And there's
an indifference. When you're in the mountains,
there's this feeling of indifference that the
mountains have to you that's very humbling. It's
very centering. Dude, going to Utah and seeing
the mountains, I'm like, fuck, dude. I'm a fucking...
I'm a bug. Yeah, you're a bug. In the grand scheme
of fucking everything. In the grand scheme of
the universe, I'm an amoeba. Yeah. I'm so fucking
small. And try and be fucking as cool as you
fucking can to people. Be nice. Yeah, you have
control over that. Exactly. That's the only thing
you have control over is how you treat other
people. It's the only thing. Yeah. And how you
treat yourself. That's a big one too. Like some
people, they treat other people so well and then
they get someone in their life that really shouldn't
be in their life and it's ruining it and they
don't treat themselves well by extracting themselves
from the situation. Yeah. There's that too. But
those mountains, the woods, the mountains, it
is, it's just like, fuck, it makes you think
about that shit. That's why you see like, you
know, like the tale of the fucking hermit that
is the smartest person you'll ever fucking meet,
but never sees anyone. You know what I mean?
It's just like, it's so. There's a beauty to
that. that part of the world especially mountains
for some reason there's a beauty like when the
sun is coming up and the sun is shining through
the trees and you see the the green pastures
and you just you look at it and you go my god
this is beautiful it's like a feeling that you
have it's not like any other art form it's nature's
art form but it has the same kind of feeling
when you see like a beautiful piece of art there's
this feeling of appreciation that people have
for things that are beautiful And I think it's
one of the only creatures on Earth that probably
has that. I don't think we have any other animals
on this Earth that appreciate beauty the way
we do. It gives us a feeling. We stare at it.
We're entranced by it. We're entranced by beauty,
physical beauty, people that are beautiful, things
that are beautiful, art that's beautiful. We
have this... massive fascination with beautiful
things. And when you see the beauty of nature,
it's the most humbling of all of them. The stars
are the most humbling of all of them. It's crazy.
I hate space. You hate it? I hate space. I hate
the stars. I hate everything. I know. That's
the fucking worst part. That's the part that
scares me. That's the part that scares me. You
look at all... The near misses and all that shit.
Who knows if it's even real? The part that scares
me is we know nothing about it. There's one company,
or not company, but one organization that knows
about it. We don't really know about it. You
mean in terms of asteroids in space? Yeah, or
like NASA. NASA knows about it. We don't know
about it. We go off of what they tell us. And
I think that's the scariest fucking part. And
I look at a star or it might be Mercury or it
might be fucking Mars or whatever. And it's so
bright. And I'm like, oh, fuck, it's over. Okay,
fuck. And then I look at it for a little bit.
For a couple minutes. And I'm like, okay, it's
not moving. We're good. It's scary. That scares
me. I remember. The whole 2012 deal. Oh, December
21st, 2012. I was in high school on the whole
2012 deal. And I went to church for two weeks
right before because I was licking into all that
shit. And I was like, you know what? I'm going
to church just in case that it fucking happens.
Just in case. And I remember the day I was in
school and it was December 21st, 2012. And it
started raining crazy. And I was like, fuck.
It's happening. Yo, fuck, dude. Oh, my God. Fuck,
dude. But hey, I'm still here. We're still here.
Yeah, I was surprised by that one. I thought
something was going to happen. Did you buy into
it? Oh, yeah. I had a license plate on my car.
It said, I think it said December 2021. That
was my license plate. DEC 2021. Yeah. Or 2012.
What did you think was going to happen? Is there
a DEC 20? 21 or DEC 2012. I think it was 2012.
What did you think was going to happen? How old
were you? How old was I in 2001? I guess I was
probably like 31 or 2 or something like that.
How old was I? I don't know. Jamie, how old was
Joe Rogan in 2012? Well, I'd have to think. That's
11 years ago. There you go. No, no, no, no. 2012.
No, yeah. Yeah. Oh, okay. Is it weird? I'm thinking
of 2001, because 2001 was another one. Oh, yeah,
yeah, yeah. Or 2000, Y2K. Y2K, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I got confused, because that, no, no, no. Let
me back up. December 21st, 2012 was the one that
was the end of the Mayan calendar. That was the
long calendar. I bought into that. So I think
it was DEC 2012 was my last display. But I was
really worried. Even more so about the one in
2000, the Y2K one. That was a weird one where
people thought that all the clocks were going
to stop and all the computers won't work. Well,
how do they justify that? They were saying that
the programs, the computer programs that were
running everything. They would switch to twos?
Well, it's when it goes from 19s to twos. Right.
The whole thing, apparently they were worried
that it was going to, like, have this ripple
effect across the country and the stock market
would crash and banks would dissolve. Like, wild
shit would happen. The fucking power grid would
go down. It was mostly bullshit. But everybody
was terrified. And me, too. I was on the phone
with a friend of mine from New York. Like, dude,
you know, we're going to ride this out together.
And then, you know, we were drinking. I'm getting
into archery. We were on the phone. He was drinking
in New York and I was drinking in California
while we were talking on the phone. We talked
for like three hours. And then they ain't shit
happening, man. Everything still works. Fucking
internet works. Computers work. TV works. Everything's
fine. Well, I don't understand the logic. I don't
get it either. I don't get the logic. But I was,
because I was 95, so I was like five reading
about. I would see the paper on the counter and
it'd be like, oh, Y2K, everything's fucking ending.
Yeah. And I was like, oh, my fucking God, Mom,
everything's fucking ending, all this shit. But
then you look back and it's like, well, why would
the year changing over affect computers? Like
why would it change the way they were coded there?
It's very primitive coding when they first started
the the the computers that run the power grids
and all this It's all zero and ones though. I
don't understand it man. You're talking to the
wrong dude me fucking too, but from my perspective
I'm like it's all zero and ones why would just
cuz just cuz you have the app that says not an
app but Jamie explain to us Explanation but it's
I mean you're on it. It's just other countries
didn't do it, which I didn't know that. They
didn't have any precautions? They didn't talk
about Y2K? No, they talked about it. Everyone
talked about this. But they didn't do anything
to deal with it. It's probably a scam. That's
what it sounds like to me. It's monkey pox, bro.
Because it doesn't make sense. It's literally
a fucking widget. It's a fucking widget on your
fucking computer that tells you what year it
is. Yeah. The smartest people in the world couldn't
be like, well, we didn't change any of the fucking
code. On the fucking computer, why would it fuck
anything up just because the widget says that
it's 2000? Yeah. What they were saying, I guess,
further up, that power plants, for instance,
have a whole bunch of automated things, and those
were in threat. That's it. But for what? Just
take the date out of it. It's zeros and ones.
It's zeros and ones. It still is. You're so smart.
You should work for them. That's true. Because
they scared us all. I wonder if it was all bullshit
and they just wanted a reason why they could
be. It has to be. I wouldn't be shocked if it
was just something to sell newspapers and the
media pumped it up and made it a big thing and
talked to the biggest fear mongers and got everybody
fucking terrified of it. It has to be. Because
then I was so scared. But now I'm like, why?
It doesn't even make any sense. So December 21st,
2012, I thought something was going to happen.
And maybe something did. Maybe in the greater
scheme of time, as we look back on the changing
of the eras of humanity, maybe that's when we
began our cultural slide. Joe, I think about
that a lot. It might be a thing where, like...
Like ancient civilizations have calculated, they
sort of charted out the eras of civilizations
and that civilizations would go through these
periods and then they would have these rebuildings
and then they'd get soft and fall apart. And
then there's that 400 year cycle. Yeah. The Kali
Yuga. And that's where we're at now. The age
of confusion. It seems like. That makes sense
to me. It seems like when you have people that
are like the World War II guys with the fucking
guns on acid, it's a different breed of human.
Right. Those trench warfare guys, that's a different
breed of human being. Naughty boys just fucking
smoking cigarettes in the fucking trenches and
like, if I see a motherfucker, I'm stabbing him.
Yeah. It's crazy. Crazy. Just living your life
like that. But now war's not even like that.
Well, it is in Ukraine. Well, now it's fucking
drones. Yeah, but there's a lot of fucking actual
gunfights in Ukraine that you can watch on Telegram
now. The crazy thing is the guns they're using.
The guns they're using are like World War II
guns, and they had a gun that was electronically
operated that they soldered on a trigger. grip
to and a stock on so they could use that gun
like it's just crazy the resources that they're
using right now and it's it's really really fucking
it's just scary that there's a ground war it's
going on right now between two countries that
used to be a part of the same union it's fucking
scary it's crazy because I think when people
get through wars, when they get through like
a civilization gets through an era, they have
this feeling like a lesson was learned. I don't
think we learn our lessons, especially when there's
a lot of money involved in continuing the same
kind of behavior. And I think that's where we
find ourselves right now. And that's where the
people that are very alarmed by this and they're
really scared by this. I think they're right.
This is the time to be very alarmed because it
just seems people are way too casual about wanting
this to happen and wanting us to fund this and
beat Russia and all this whole craziness of war.
It's so complicated, too, with the U .N. and
NATO. It's so complicated. All of it is like
there's so much going on. Well, they're trying
to play Magic the fucking Gathering in the fucking
world with real fucking people. Right. And this
doesn't just affect Ukraine or Russia. This affects
everything. If they start nuking each other,
oh, my God. It's over. Joe, it's over. Oh, my
God. It's over. Oh, my God. It's one nuke. It's
over. Yeah. One nuke, it's over. And the nukes
that we have today, we saw what they did to Hiroshima
and Nagasaki. Those are a fraction of the power
that they have now. These things are obliterators.
Not only a fraction of the power, but the amount
that we have in this fucking world today. And
they have supersonic missiles now. They have
supersonic missiles that can change direction.
So they're going towards Miami and they hook
a left. Well, yeah, and then the fucking Poseidon,
too. The Poseidon missile will cause a tsunami.
Jesus Christ. They'll shoot a missile that'll
fucking... The B -83, the largest deployed U
.S. nuclear warhead, is equivalent to 80 Hiroshima
-sized bombs. 80. Holy fuck. That shit is crazy.
You can see if you hold your hand up. Look at
that number. The U .S. nuclear arsenal has 5
,244 nuclear weapons, had a total yield of 857
.6 megatons, or the equivalent of 57 ,173 Hiroshima
-sized bombs. By the way, that's like half of
the explosion on Mars. Allegedly. Allegedly.
Imagine if that's what happened. Imagine if one
dude invaded. Can you look up the Poseidon missile,
Jamie, please? Could you imagine if that is what
we find out about Mars? How crazy would that
be? And maybe that's why the aliens visit us.
How crazy would that be? To warn us or whatever?
To try to halt it. I think already. The Russian
one or? I don't know if it's Russian or Chinese,
but. It says it's real. A Poseidon. Poseidon
may exist only as a... What is it? Okay, so while
some reports claim that Russia's Poseidon missile
may exist only as a propaganda scheme, experts
generally agree that the system is very real
and has received significant resources from the
Russian armed forces, although many details remain
unknown. So yeah, dude, if they decide to vaporize...
It's a U .S. Navy nuclear -armed submarine -launched
ballistic missile system. I don't know. What
is that? That's Wikipedia. I was trying to see
which one. I think they're probably talking about
this one. It shoots a wave out. Wow. Intercontinental
U .S. Or intercontinental nuclear power, nuclear
arm system, autonomous torpedo. It's very slow,
but it's possibly unstoppable. I don't like how
that's in bold. Possibly unstoppable. Anything
in bold is bad. As much as they lie to us, I
think that's probably 100 % unstoppable. Russia
maintains that it can be used as a tactical nuclear
weapon against warships. High -value targets
would include aircraft carriers. This is harder
to rationalize than the second -strike nuclear
deterrence role, but is a constant theme. It's
first revealed in November 2015, then known as
Status 6. It's been described as a multi -role
system. That's a scary Status 6? What the fuck
does that mean? Dude, there's people out there
playing. You just said it right. There's people
out there playing Magic the Gathering with real
human beings. That's what war is, man. And that's
the weird thing about war in this age where people
are starting, we're more connected now than we've
ever been before. And so we realize, like, it
doesn't make any sense that we're being led by
these leaders that have us fighting over territorial
swaths of land and control of resources. It doesn't
make sense. Or just like my religion's right,
yours is not. I'm right, you're wrong. We're
going to fuck everything up or try to. As the
world becomes more globally oriented and realizing
that there's just people. There's people in India.
There's just people in China. There's people
in Russia. The problem is who they're led by.
And when they lead you into this position and
control the population to a position where they
can't do anything other than the will of the
leaders. Yeah, I'll take one. Thank you. Yes,
sir. that I see moving forward is that people
think about the world as one place now more.
I don't think people are as nationally centric
as they used to be. We're paying attention to
shit that's going on in Australia. We're paying
attention to shit that's going on in Hong Kong.
People are really paying attention to the world
now that I don't think they did as much in the
1950s or the 1960s. I think with the internet,
I think people are very tuned in to all kinds
of weird shit that's happening everywhere. And
that's an interesting thing because, I don't
know, would you ever consider living in another
country? I would have said Canada up until recently.
Now Canada's fucking... falling apart. All the
shit that they did during COVID was just the
total wrong direction. The trucker convoy when
they froze people's bank assets. You can't make
honking your horns illegal. Bro, they froze people's
bank accounts that donated money to the convoy.
That's crazy. That's crazy. Peaceful protest,
which everybody's supposed to be all about. These
people that were protesting COVID vaccine mandates.
the lockdowns and they they fucking went after
the people that donated which is crazy yeah and
you can track all that shit yeah well they track
everything shut their bank accounts that's crazy
man that's but i fucking a piece of toast that
makes people self -censor And that's the terrifying
aspect of that. And that's the thing that people
won't say. It's not that big of a deal. They
gave him their bank accounts back eventually.
Eventually? What does that even fucking mean?
What does that mean? It's sending a very clear
message that they can fuck with you in ways that
you probably hadn't thought about before. They
can fuck with your money. They can close your
bank down. Never even thought about it. Never
even thought about it. So how do you feel about
the government's... Digital currency that they're
working on. No fucking way. No way. That's what
I think. I think that's checkmate. That's game
over. That is fucking checkmate. Because if they
apply that to a social credit score, if they
decide somehow or another that you need some
social credit score system for the benefit of
society, and they outline that they can track
your behavior and your tweets and all your things,
you get a score. Already doing that. They just
haven't released the fucking report cards. They
didn't send the report cards home to the parents
yet. Everything is already imprinted. Everything
is already tracked. Everything is already there.
We just haven't given a denomination to it. They
just can't control you to the same extent that
they would like. And what they would like to
do is to be able to strip you of your money and
to be able to lock you down and then make sure
that you comply so that all the other people
also comply because they don't want to be stripped
of their money. They don't want everything they
work for just be taken away instantly overnight
and be powerless. No one to call. No one's going
to answer your phone. They just decide. you fucked
up and the rules are the rules and so then where
does that money go who takes your money who takes
and that that's what thing when people start
profiting off of confiscating people's digital
currency it's going to be a real fucking problem
Well, it's not all fucking currency is digital.
Yeah, but the idea of them controlling all of
the money. And it's all unilateral. It's all
the same fucking thing. It's all the same fucking
thing. That's a problem. And here's the problem,
I think, is that people are going to do it due
to convenience of it. Yeah. No one wants to carry
around cash anymore. Cash is gone. No one wants
to carry around cash anymore. I saw a video of
a lady paying for her groceries with her fingerprint
at Whole Foods. Can I see this? Yeah, she used
her handprint. You can do it here. You can do
it here? You got it? Wait, Amazon controls it.
With your hand? Yeah, I've seen it at the cash
out here. I didn't do it. You just walk up, your
hand hovers over this thing, it takes a photo
of your hand, and you pay. Why? Why? Why? Why?
People want their handprint in a database just
in case they murder somebody. This is crazy!
This is crazy. One scan does it all. Amazon One
simplifies everyday interactions. It's a free
contactless service that lets you use your palm
to pay, enter, or identify yourself. Wow. You
remember it was microchips. Yeah. So now you
don't even need a fucking microchip. You can
just fucking use your, just fucking, you can
use your pube hairs. They had a store in Ohio
where you just, you don't, I don't think you
leave with stuff, but you just tell them what
you want and then they just send it to you. The
Amazon store. Well, now they have like honor
system stuff in airports and stuff. Really? Where
it's like you go and you pick up what you get
and then you leave the money. You swipe your
card, all this shit. There's no employees in
the whole store. That's crazy. It's a little
kiosk. You go pick up your chips. You pick up
your drink. You pick up whatever you get. They're
just hoping people don't steal. Your sandwich?
Yep. Wow. That seems like it's not going to work
out. I don't know. I don't know how these are
working. Probably better to pay someone $15 an
hour or stand there and make sure you don't steal.
Just one guy. Just one guy at least. One guy.
But now I guess you can't – and I understand
it completely because what if the employee gets
hurt or what if someone gets hurt in a situation?
But shoplifting is huge because now all these
companies have policies to where it's like –
Yeah. If anything happens, you don't even say
anything to the guy stealing. You're not even
allowed to stop them. People get fired for trying
to stop them. Don't even say like, hey, dude,
don't fucking steal. I see what's in your fucking
shirt. Don't even do that. Wasn't there a story
recently where a woman got beat up and then they
fired her because she was trying to stop the
shoplifters? I mean, it's all a liability thing.
It's a liability issue to where it's like that
comes. The company doesn't want to be liable.
68 -year -old woman has her job back after she
was fired. Public outrage works. After she was
fired last month for attempting to stop shoplifters
at a Lowe's store in Georgia. June 25th, three
suspects loaded over $2 ,000 worth of merchandise
into a shopping cart, left Lowe's store without
paying, police said. And I think she tried to
stop them. I think they beat her up, too. which
is even sadder. 68 -year -old lady. Yeah, these
guys are such pieces of shit. They beat up an
old lady, and then that lady got fired. That's
crazy. I'm happy she got her job back. Me too,
but she probably doesn't want it. I don't want
to work at Lowe's anymore. I want to work at
corporate. God damn it. It'd probably be better
if they sued her or if she sued them, right?
She would have got a nice fat payday. That's
ridiculous. Suing is getting crazy too. But in
that situation, I'm kind of on her side. Look,
I know it's not even your shit. I know it's not
your shit. But you have, I don't know, if you
enjoy your job or what you do just a little bit,
if you have friends at the store, if you have
anything, it's like, you don't got to take that
shit. Like, don't take that shit. I know it's
not my shit. I know it's, you know, the big head
shit. Right. But it's like you you have an inclination
to kind of like protect it. It's kind of like
you you do this every day It's every day. It
used to be someone would always stop someone
from shoplifting There's always security guard
at a store to keep people from shoplifting was
normal now people just run in in large groups
and they just snatch everything and smash glass
and steal all those fucking watches and everyone
I just You walk out You can't do that because
it literally encourages crime because there's
very little repercussions. Yeah. It's crazy that
people are going with that. It's just, you know,
if you wanted to be a full on conspiracy theorist,
you would say this is someone trying to destabilize
society. And that's the way to do it. The way
to destabilize society is make things as lawless
as possible. And then people will do whatever
they need to do in order to bring back some semblance
of normalcy. What do I have to do? What rights
do I have to give up? What do I have to give
up? I'll do it. Well, you've got to submit to
the one world currency. For real. If you wanted
to look at a long -term engineering project,
if you had enough resources and you were clever
enough and you planned this out enough, you could
engineer the downfall of a society. And you would
do it by... infecting the universities and entrenching
them in a ridiculous, unsupportable ideology
and then have people go out in the world with
that ideology and think this is a rational way
to live life and to run the world. And then while
you're doing that, you're also setting it up
so that you have less people get arrested for
things, more people get released from prison
for things. There would be a bunch of different
ways that you could destabilize society. But
one of the best ones would be to encourage crime.
If you wanted to somehow or another encourage
– you could do it under the guise of making it
more fair for all these people that get arrested,
making it more fair for – nobody wants to be
racist. You just say it's racial injustice and
just let more violent criminals out onto the
street if you wanted to destabilize society.
It's not saying that prison reform isn't – hugely
necessary it is for sure they need to do a way
better job of trying to rehabilitate people as
well instead of just incarcerating fuck yeah
but letting people out that are violent criminals
seems like what i would do if i was trying to
destabilize society i think an easier way here's
what i would do what would you do if you were
an evil dictator i would i would just say i would
just shed everybody's shit down and say it was
an attack from another country If New York or
L .A. collapses, the rest of the world follows
suit. So we talk about a lot. Only like fucking
3 % of your money is actually real. The rest
is fucking a digital number. And we saw it with
the banks collapsing, all these. And then they
get bought up by bigger banks. But the payout
is $250 ,000. You're insured. Your money is insured.
You could have a billion dollars in this bank.
You're paid out $250 ,000. And then where did
the rest of that money go? Where the fuck did
it go? All you need to say is if someone goes
in or someone tries to order Postmates on their
phone, just say, your card's... actually not
working. Your card's been declined. Everyone's
cards get declined at the same fucking time.
People are going to fucking cannibalize themselves
within a week. Yeah. And just say it's not, I
don't, we don't know who's doing it, but this
was an outside attack. Yeah. All it takes is,
because everything is so digital now. It takes
– just like you mentioned in Canada where they're
like, OK, people who donated to these guys are
getting their bank accounts shut off. Imagine
that happened to an entire major city. Yeah.
Well, have you ever looked into how vulnerable
– It would be anarchy everywhere. Have you ever
looked into how vulnerable the power grid is?
I know how vulnerable it is because in Utah,
not even the power grid, but for internet. So
and a disgruntled employee took an axe to a box
and shut down the whole fucking place is fucking
like my whole entire side. I live in Cottonwood
Heights in Utah. And the whole shit went out
because some guy was just mad and he just took
a fucking axe to a box. That's crazy. And shut
everybody's Internet off. And it sucks. It sucks
because I like internet. I like having internet.
I got to watch the fucking Joe Rogan experience.
Wow. It's that vulnerable. It's crazy that he
knew how to do it and not get electrocuted. If
you had a box and it's filled with wires and
you got an axe, wouldn't you assume you're going
to die? I don't know how it goes. I don't know
how it goes either. All I know is I didn't have
fucking Wi -Fi for fucking four days. Do you
think Wi -Fi is bad for you? I don't know. That's
a good question. I remember, oh, COVID's caused
by Wi -Fi, all this shit. 5G. 5G, yeah. But I
don't know. What is interesting is seeing those
little boxes pop up around everywhere. disguised
as palm trees in California and just kind of
scattered around in New York. The cell phone
towers? I don't know. Are they cell phone towers?
Yeah. They look like fake trees. Yeah. They have
these little square things on them or these rectangular
things on them. But smaller, deployable variants
of it, I guess. Because how big is a cell phone
tower? It's big. They're pretty big. I think
they probably vary in size, too, though. There's
probably a lot of other things if it's dealing
with a lot of... You know what's really crazy
about cell phones? If you're in a place where
too many people are using them, yours doesn't
work. Yeah. You ever experience that? At the
concerts, they don't work. That's wild. That
is wild. Why is it? Because there's not enough
juice for everybody. They're kind of overselling.
Not enough bandwidth. Yeah. They're overselling.
Are we running out of bandwidth? Well, if you
have a concert and you have 20 ,000 people in
an arena and you try to get on your phone, like
I experience it at the UFC all the time. I can't
get text messages. They just don't come through.
Sometimes. It depends on the place. Even if you're
on the venue Wi -Fi or whatever. You'd have to
get on the venue Wi -Fi, then you'd probably
be okay. But when you're just trying to use straight
cellular, a lot of times those places, there's
just too many people on the lawn. But still,
I notice how it works before everybody comes
to the shows and I'm taking a shit. And it works
fine. And it works great. And then when everybody
comes and I'm still on the Wi -Fi and I got to
shit before the show because I don't want to
shit my pants on stage. It doesn't work as well.
Joe, I got to turn one real quick. Yeah. Do you
want to wrap this up, man? We've been going for
like three hours. I'm good to go whenever you
want. Shall we wrap it up? Sure. How long are
we going, Jamie? Three and a half hours. I'll
let you get the fuck out of here. I'm having
a great time. You want to keep going? I would
love to. All right, let's keep going. I would
love to. We'll pee and come back. All right.
Yay. I'm having a great fucking time. I am too.
I always had the best fucking time. Look, I got
the greatest job in the world. This is one of
the best ones. Just to be able to hang out with
people. I don't think a lot of people... do this
anymore where they just hang out and talk everybody
hangs out and talks and looks at their phone
hangs out and talks and talks to someone else
but it's an interesting when you just hang out
and just talk to someone for hours at a time
you really get to see like how they think and
see how they and it's just it's nice it's a fun
thing to do man I enjoy the shit out of it well
I enjoy being on your show I enjoy having you
and I enjoy you have been so fucking kind to
me This is my second time. How many second timers
you got? Quite a few. Cool. Yeah. Well, I want
to go for three. Bro, you can come on every month.
I don't give a fuck. I'm actually sleeping in
a mattress in the back of a... Come hang out.
Park that tour bus out back. We're good, dude.
Yeah, thank you for letting me park that. Oh,
anytime. It's dope. I love that you have a tour
bus. It's actually... And it doesn't have Bert
Kreischer's face on it. Who's that? Inside joke.
My friend Bert Kreischer. He's got a tour bus
with his face on it. It's very discreet. He's
a discreet kind of guy. Yeah, I don't know. Funny
dude. It's amazing because I was on... Sorry,
Travis, if you don't want me talking about this.
But I've been on Travis Barker's tour bus for
a long time. And now I'm on... She's an artist
and she let me use her tour bus this time. And
the difference between a dude's tour bus and
a lady's tour bus is like fucking night and day.
I remember the first time I got on the tour bus,
Travis's tour bus. And I go and lay back. It
was after the first show. Because I went and
checked it out before. And I was like, oh, this
is really nice. And then I go back the first
day. or after the first show and go lay down
and then I close the door it's all like on the
hydraulic doors and so it closes and there's
a mirror on the door and there's a picture here
and it looks like a guy like laying down like
a mermaid like a mermaid pose kind of like kind
of like this looking back on the bed and I get
up and I'm like what the fuck is that and Get
up. And I get up and I look closer and it's Tommy
Lee butt ass naked on the bed. And he says, enjoy
the bus, fucker. And I'm like, yo, this is fucking
crazy. So that's how I kicked off a couple of
my tours. That's hilarious. But not on this bus.
Like the fridge is like pink and like works and
everything. Travis, your bus is absolutely beautiful.
But yeah, it's nice. It's nice. And for whenever
the baby and the lady are on the bus, there's
like a nice vanity mirror out back. My only fear
of buses is that you're on the highway. Yeah.
And I see too many fucking accident videos. It's
fucking scary. It's easy to flip those fuckers.
Yeah. I watched this crazy video the other day
of this car, rear ends this car, and they stop
in traffic. And then this semi rear ends them.
It can't stop, and it's trying to change lanes
because these guys bumped into each other on
the highway. They decided to stop. And then this
semi comes through and obliterates them. I'm
like, Jesus. It's so heavy. It's so big. It's
so much weight and force. When you watch the
semi hit the cars, the cars just disintegrate.
It is. It's a big vehicle. It's so massive. And
then it goes flipping off this fucking side of
the guardrail and it's just Jesus. So that's
the thing with me about the tour bus thing. So
you never take a tour bus? No. Do you go on tour?
No. I do weekends and I come back home. I do
like two weekends in a month. I don't do those
long. It is nice. It is nice. I don't do it.
I just don't do it. I do a lot of comedy. I do
it in town and now I do it at my own club. Where's
your club? It's great. Lots of fun on 6th Street.
It's the 1927 place. The place that's haunted.
Yes, sir. Perhaps. I'll take you there tonight
if you want to go. Are you going? Let's go. Are
you going? I'll go with you. I'll take you. I'm
not even supposed to be there. I would love that.
But tonight is Kill Tony, which is a fun thing
to watch if you've never seen it. No, it's Kill
Tony. It's a live comedy show where they have
stand -up comedians. Some of them maybe for the
first time ever do one minute in front of a professional
group of comics who talk shit and there's a live
band. It's really fun. Is his name Tony? His
name's Tony Hinchcliffe. He's the most evil host
of one of those shows. He's the best ever of
hosting. a live comedy show Tony's the best let's
go it's we'll go yeah that sounds amazing I would
absolutely love that I would love that we'll
go have fun but like it's what are you gonna
say nothing cheers Joe Rogan cheers my brother
cheers Joe Rogan thank you for having me thanks
for being here man no man thanks for being here
I'm excited to see your show tomorrow night too.
I'm excited for you to come. Whee. I'm excited
for you to come. I am too. Are you a pit guy
or are you like a more... It becomes a bit of
a problem if I'm in the pit. Okay. Yeah. I'm
like kind of hot. Yeah. I get touched up. I'm
a hot kind of guy. People like to grab my cock.
Is that true? No. Sick. No. I wonder how many
people get into pits just to try to grab cocks.
Just to try to drive Joe Rogan's cock. Just to
drive any cock. Not zero. Probably too many.
Yeah, this is not zero. For sure there's a guy
out there that's like, I'm assuming dicks I can
grab tonight. Last night I got 16. This guy just
buys tickets to the pit. Just everyone's bouncing
around. Is it deliberate or is it like 100 %?
He's just keeping score. That's his game. That's
his Diablo. That's his Diablo. That's his Diablo.
How many dicks can I grab in a night? I only
grab dicks for like 14 hours. He's probably on
a forum with a bunch of other dick grabbers and
they're counting numbers. Oh, my God. No, I hope
it's none at my show. There's some mosh pits
where they just essentially are beating each
other up. I've seen a bunch of those. Oh, dude.
Just beating the fuck out of each other. Mosh
pits are crazy. Crazy. I was at a show outside
of Galinson's. It's a gun shop in Utah. I go
and hang out, and Tim is like the sweetest guy.
He owns it. And they did a show like right next
door. There's like a T -shirt printing place.
and uh a sneaker place right next door so they
did a show in like the back alley parking lot
deal and it was like it was a drain show and
there was a bunch of like ms paint like really
like some harder bands and there was this guy
there and he was so fucking big and you saw like
these like skinny, like they look like they were
Metallica rockers, like in the eighties, like
just like skinny. I remember the story about
Metallica. They were like, Oh, these guys are
the ugliest motherfuckers I've ever seen. I'm
going to sign them. Like that's how they got
signed. Like shit like that. And these guys were
just like leather jacket, long hair, like didn't
give a fuck, just rocking and rolling. And this
dude, would just fucking swing his fucking arm
and send him out of the pit instantly. I watched
him get rocked. I was like, fuck, dude. I felt
so bad. But they love it. That guy that got sent
out with a bloody nose, like fucking missing
teeth and shit came right fucking back in. He's
like, let's fucking go. Like, yeah. It's like,
dude, those mosh pits get fucking nuts. That's
so nuts. Gnarly. It's not good for you. They
wouldn't let you in the pit. I wouldn't go in
the pit. You'd just be fucking, like, scissor
-kicking people. I don't want to get head -butted.
What is this? Is this a mosh pit? Oh, my God!
Oh, my God. They're doing it, like, 300 style.
Look at the dust come up and all that shit. That
is the Battle of Thermopylae, isn't it? Look
at the singer. Oh, he called for them to do it.
Who's in the middle? Who's in the middle? Oh,
someone dead? Look at that. That is so insane.
Jesus Christ, dude. How many blown ACLs out there
right now? It's like a big tug of war. What are
they doing? Oh, my God. This is the biggest mosh
pit in the history of the world. Totally dangerous
mosh pits. There's a YouTube video. No, that's
a great title. That's a very dangerous mosh pit.
The circle pit is good. The circle pits are good.
Circle pits are good. That's safer. You're just
kind of running around in a circle. God, look
at the size of that. Maybe you give someone on
the right side of you a good pop, but that's
about it. Just a little jab of the nuts. A subtle
dick grab, as you were. Wow, these guys are just
running into each other. How many fucking headbutts
are you counting? Dude, it is like fucking medieval
war. It is. Look at that guy. What is he singing?
I think the word he was saying was like, ooh.
Back that up a second. Back it up earlier. Exodus.
Exodus is amazing. Oh my God, this is hysterical.
Imagine a dystopian world where the president
or your leader was a heavy metal vocalist. What
he could get you to do. That guy could win. That
guy could run for president. Just fucking run
as fast as you can at that fucking guy. I mean,
that's the kind of shit I would listen to if
I was behind a machine gun. Yeah, fuck yeah.
That shit for me, like, as a kid was like, it's
so soothing. What do you listen to, Joe? I have
very varied music tastes. Okay, fair enough.
Yeah, I really do. I like to listen to a lot
of old stuff. I like to listen to a lot of classic
rock, but I also like to listen to a lot of 90s
hip -hop. I like to listen to modern stuff. I
listen to a lot of modern country. Who do you
like? I like Zach Bryan. I love Sturgill. I love
Sturgill. Zach Bryan is... Beautiful, too. His
voice is amazing. I got a chance to see him live
when he was in Austin, too, and he was on the
podcast recently. He's a sweet guy, too. Like,
really genuine, genuine guy. Just a super fucking
talented singer, too, man. Dude. Jelly Roll,
I love that dude. Yeah, he's a boss. He's the
best. Yeah, I like him. He's such a good dude.
He just seems like a sweet motherfucker. I love
him. He's so real. Yeah, I love it. That guy's
so real. He's such an appreciative... Happy,
loving dude. Yes, sir. I met him at my club.
He came to see Ron White. And he was on his way
up, and we're sending him to the VIP balcony.
I just came out to say hi, and he just gave me
this giant hug. Just super fucking sweet dude.
That's probably a good hug. Real hug. Yeah. A
real one. Yeah, he looks like he gives good hugs.
Gives you a real one. Yeah, I love that. Solid
hug. You like Tyler? Genuinely happy dude. Tyler
Childers? Yes, I love that guy. And Colter. I
love Colter. So it's Sturgill, Tyler. And Coulter
right now for me. I love all those guys very
much. I keep trying to get Coulter to do the
podcast, but he doesn't do podcasts. Well, that's
what I hit up Coulter. Or he doesn't do mine,
at least. No, not at all, because I got the same
thing with Coulter. I hit up Coulter. I was like,
hey, man, you want to come jam out sometime?
Let's make a song. And he was like, you can come
make a song on the ranch. And I was like, OK,
cool. Amazing. I'm going to make it up one of
these days. He's really on a rant. Yeah, dude.
Wild. Yeah. His styles are so different, too.
You go from Kate McKinnon to some of the other
newer stuff. It's almost like it's a different
guy. It's very interesting. I love his. He came
out of the womb smoking a fucking cigarette,
and it was fucking the coolest shit. Kate McKinnon,
the fact that he was 21 when he made that song.
It's insane. That's an 80 -year -old man song.
It's insane. It's insane. I remember listening
and I was like, oh, because he's like a couple
months, if not a year younger than me. And just
the way, just the like the heartbreak, how rich
his voice is. Yes. Yes. He can like. It's insane.
It's insane. When you see it coming out of his
face. Dude, and watching that, what is it, the
Sun King or whatever, the brewery shows that
they do whenever he was there. Oh, yes, yes,
yes. The acoustic shows. Sleeping on the blacktop
or whatever he did over there. He looks. Fucking
so young. He's so young. Where's that voice coming
from? That song is so haunting. Kate McKinnon
has a haunting song. It's so fucking good. Play
it for me, Jamie. Yeah, come on, man. Jamie's
the one who told me about it. Jamie came into
the studio and goes, oh, I know a guy that you're
going to love. I've never wanted to swing a pickaxe
so hard in my life, and I play a lot of Minecraft,
the number one game. Listen to this. Raven is
a wicked bird. His wings are black as sin. And
he floats outside my prison window, mocking those
within. And he sings to me real loud. Damn. When
I first met... Yeah. When I first met Tom McKinnon,
I was... Working in the mine. Have you ever covered
this? No, I couldn't. There's no way I could.
I think you could do it. His voice is just like,
it's so haunting. It's insane. Perfect amount
of reverb. It's perfectly recorded. It's perfectly
played. And he's such a good guitar player too.
It's like perfectly played. This is such a song.
Fuck, man. It's so good. It's so good. He's got
so many of them like this, too. Well, that's
the whole thing. It's like the whole Johnny Cash
kind of like that. It's like a crazy. He always
sang, like, murder ballads. Right. You know what
I mean? So it's, like, super, like, it's like,
oh, okay, I shot a fucking dude in Reno. Okay,
I shot the guy that my wife loves. Like, all
this shit. Like, I don't know. It's very, like.
It's the original gangster rap. It's the whole,
it's the old school production. It's the old
school voice. It's the old school. And I find,
like, a lot of the time in country now is, like,
it's very overproduced. And so what I love about
like Coulter and Tyler and everything is it's
just like kind of more traditional in that way
where it's just like that same bounce. You want
that boom, boom, boom. You know what I mean?
I don't know. Yeah, no, I know what you're saying.
There's a thing where people are trying to make
hits, right, instead of just trying to make something
beautiful. And it works. Yeah, I guess there's
so much money in making hits that there's going
to be people that are technicians. Turns out.
Turns out, bro. Look at you, buying $2 million
Magic the Gathering cards. Actually, the fun
part, that wasn't my bank account. That was actually
my buddy's. But a big part of your appeal is
your authenticity. That's a big part of why people
love you. And I think that... What you're saying
is that there's a lot of overproduction of things.
It kind of takes away some of it. Well, sure.
The grit of that kind of a song. Yeah, and there's
a lot of production in my music as well. For
sure. And I have some of them. Yeah, I mean,
autotune in general. And some of the most talented
producers and instrumentalists and songwriters
and shit. I don't want to detract from people
who write amazing songs. That's just not, like,
whenever I listen to, you know, folk or country,
like, I go towards Coulter and Tyler and Sturgill,
like, every time. Because, I don't know, that
bounce. There's something so magical about that
classic fucking bounce. You know, that... cash
bounce that train bounce yeah and i don't know
and it's just like there's a lot of songs that
are country but it doesn't have that bounce that
i love so much you know what i mean i do know
what you mean and it's just like i would it's
just like at that point i it's a you know it's
a lot of pop mix -ups you know what i mean and
that's never been bad because what i've i've
always tried to do and i'm sure people said the
same thing about me because i sit and play the
guitar with 808s and all that shit and um i just
whenever i'm listening to that that makes me
feel like it makes me feel like a hard ass you
know what i mean yeah it makes me feel yeah like
Like you're on a ranch. Exactly. Listening to
Coulter, I'm like, he does the acapella shit,
and I'm like, oh, man, I feel like I'm fucking
out there with you, dude. But it's also like
the choice of music is like he's singing a song
about despair and the regret and all of it and
the ravens mocking him from outside of the prison
window. It's so good. And I'd assume that he
writes all his songs. I would assume. Because
looking at the writer credits. Bro, try getting
someone to write that. Fuck. Try getting some
fucking studio guy to write that. Dude, those
guys in Nashville write fucking songs. They write
some fucking songs. They write some fucking songs,
dude. They do. They do. They do. The tags. I
think what makes a good country song is the tag.
There's always a tag. You look at classic country.
You know, like George Strait. It's like, I've
got oceanfront property in Arizona. You know
what I mean? That's an amazing basis for a song.
You just think about, if you'll buy that, I'll
throw the Golden Gate fucking bridge in for free.
You know what I mean? It's just like, there's
always a good fucking tag. And Luke, when he
says... when it rains it pours like all that
shit like that like that fucking it's a it's
snappy it's stays in your fucking head yeah and
you think about it and those songs are so well
written craftsmanship off of like one idea right
you know what I mean yeah and Coulter does a
lot of shit where it tells the story the story
of it um but that idea is always there and that's
that's something that's so cool and it just stays
with you and you think about it and then you
go and look up the lyrics once you look up the
lyrics to a fucking country song it's fucking
crazy like have you ever looked up the lyrics
to uh clementine like oh my darling clementine
that is the saddest song no it's about a prospector
or a minor And his daughter goes, she falls into
a river, and he can't swim, so he can't save
her, and she's gone. Oh, my God. But how long
have you known that song? Oh, my God. Wow. This
is terrible. It's crazy. Drove the horses to
the water every morning just at nine. Hit her
foot against a splinter. Fell into the foaming
brine. Ruby lips above the water. Blowing bubbles
soft and fine. But alas, I was no swimmer, so
I lost my climate. Isn't that? You gave me chills
right there fucking reading it. Oh, God. Isn't
that crazy, dude? Oh, God. But you think, oh
my darling, oh my darling. It sounds so happy.
I don't know. It's so cool. I don't know. You
take those songs and you look at fucking what
it's about. It's crazy, man. I love looking into
that shit. You know what I really like listening
to? When I really want to try to imagine a time.
I really like listening to Robert Johnson. Yeah,
dude. I listen to Robert Johnson and I just imagine.
The time, what year was, there's only one good
solid recordings of Robert Johnson. It was like
one session, I think. I don't think he had more
than one album that you can get, right? But what
year was that? 1936. That's crazy. Bro, and that
guy was so good, they thought he sold his soul
to the devil. They're like, there's no way you
can be that good. No way. 1936 and 1937. Wow.
Most were first released on 78 RPM records in
1937. Wow. So how did he become such a legend,
you've got to wonder? Did he just go around and
everybody knew him? That's a good question. That's
a good question. I guess he was just like the
Dave Chappelle of blues singers back then. He
was just this guy that was above everybody, and
everybody was like, Jesus Christ. How? How are
you doing this? He would play like just, I love
that Delta fucking sound. It's so scrappy. Give
me some Robert Jones. It's so scrappy. But it's
also, you've got to imagine the time. People
are just, this is like during the Great Depression,
right? People are starving. They're fucked. The
world's fucked. It's post -World War I, pre -World
War II. Horrible time. Just squalor and famine.
It's a hard stretch. Hard to get real good food.
It's not like there's a Whole Foods in your fucking
neighborhood. Things were weird back then. And
this guy is in the deep south. This is recording.
What's crazy is like all music, recorded music,
has its roots in something from before. Yeah.
All of it. You know, this emerged, his creation.
You know, when this got sold and entered into
just the zeitgeist of human consciousness, now
they're aware that there's a guy out there that
can do this. Because before there wasn't anybody
like this guy, right? And then all of a sudden
he comes along and hits this level that nobody
had ever hit before. Yeah, you gotta, like, it's,
that's crazy. Because, like, all these ideas,
like, who invented a pinch harmonic? Right. Like
the, like, on the guitar. Like, who's, like,
you know what, if I hold my pick just right and
hit that fucking string, it's gonna sound this
different. And I'm gonna make that my signature
sound. you're just going to blow up. But that's
just something that you do. Like his vibrato
on his voice and shit. I think that's something,
whenever I first started making music, that was
something that really, if not propelled me, was
something that was a little different. Because
I had a little... I always tried to copy Stevie
Nicks and there's a guy named Conor O 'Burris
from Bright Eyes and he would have this great
vibrato in his voice when he sang and Stevie
would too. And I think that that wasn't being
done and that's just the way I naturally sang
as a kid and it sounded like shit. But as I got
older, that's just the way I sang. So I think
that kind of was a thing that... I wouldn't say
propelled me, but made me a little, a little
different. You know what I mean? Because everybody
has their own unique style and there's something
to listen to for everybody, you know? And I think
that was something that really like, it's like,
okay, this is, he has a unique voice. If that
makes sense, you know? Yes. It's, it's like authentic.
Very much so. And that's just how I sang. Yeah.
Since I was a kid. And I think if you like grow
up doing something and I'm in no way comparing
it to anything, I'm just saying how that cuts
through. Like he played his whole fucking life.
Right. Whoa, fuck. If he did sell his soul, I
mean, fuck. I don't think he did. He got a good
gig. But, you know, that's the whole. The legend.
The fun legend. The legend. But that's also just
when someone stands out like that, you're always
going to have those kind of stories. People love
to bullshit. You just keep going. And especially
like Stevie. Stevie, you could tell when he's
playing the guitar. Yeah. Yeah. It sounds like
Stevie Ray Vaughan. You can tell, but that's
just shit you grow up and you have like a little
fucking quirk. You know, like there's a tone
that you have whenever. Yeah. Even when you're
first starting, like you don't do something perfectly
correct. Yeah. But then it turns out to be your
thing. You know what I mean? Yeah, there's a
sound when guys are playing where you know it's
them. It's interesting, right? It's crazy, especially
on a non -vocal musical instrument. Gary Clark
Jr. is a great example of that, too. He died
the next year after recording this stuff. Wow,
he was 27. 27?! Just like everybody else. Just
like Hendrix, Joplin, Morrison, Kurt Cobain.
27. That's fucking crazy, dude. That age is nuts
for rock stars. Yeah? That's a nutty age. And
it seems like if you get through that age, you
live to be a million. Well, that's... These fucking
dudes. Rolling Stones on tour. They're Biden's
age. They look great. I remember there was a
psychic that on my birthday said I was going
to die when I turned 27. Oh, what a cunt. I don't
know. What a cunt. She's just lying, making shit
up. That bitch is a little psychic. Well, now,
hindsight's always 20 -20. So I'm like, you lied.
But she put that shit in your head, man. Yeah,
well, that's why. That could have been a self
-manifesting prophecy. Man. But as soon as I
turned 28, I'm like, fuck it. I'm getting on
every fucking combine, every fucking helicopter,
every fucking motor vehicle I see. I'm going.
Except for really high buildings. Y2K, when it
was all over. Yeah, exactly. You'd be like, fuck
it. Let's go. Everything's fine. I'm not cursed.
It's crazy how that happened. And also, Jim Morrison
died when he was 27? Yep. How is he 27? How is
he that good? How is he 27? Do you know his car?
is like a source of mystery. There's like one
guy claims he has this car, but apparently it's
the wrong VIN number. But his car, he had a 1967
Shelby GT500. Cool. And he had it for only like
a year or two, and then he sold it, and then
there's a providence of it where people try to
track it. Cool. He looks like Jesus Christ. He
does. If Jesus Christ was here, he'd drive a
1967 Shelby GT500. If Jesus had to drive, I'll
tell you what. He wouldn't be driving a minivan.
He'd be driving an American muscle. That's why
we would listen. No, he'd be driving a Tesla.
No, no, no. He would drive a goddamn American
muscle car and realize, just plant more trees.
They'll eat the gas or something. Look at that,
though. He was so pumped. To have that car? Yeah.
To just run next to it? How pumped are you to
have that fucking car? I think he filmed something
with it. Oh, okay. I think he did some sort of
a thing where he filmed himself with the car.
Like, I don't remember what he did. I remember
it was something. But there's, like, people have
tried to track the car. And there's one gentleman
on YouTube who says he owns it. It's definitely
the same exact car. But whether or not that's
the one, I don't know. The VIN number discrepancy.
Yeah. But, you know, back then everything was
written down on paper. Who knows what the fuck
people. And also if somebody might have changed
the VINs because they were trying to. Maybe someone
stole it from somebody. I don't fucking know.
You know, it's like you're dealing with like
50 plus years of shit going down. Who knows what
happened. What's your favorite card? Dope card.
I don't really have a favorite car, a favorite
specific car. But if I had a favorite kind of
car, it would be American muscle cars. Those
are my favorite cars. Because those cars, even
though they're not the fastest cars, they don't
handle the best, those cars are literally like
a rolling piece of art. You're driving around
in this iconic time machine of art. You know,
someone created this shape, this beautiful shape,
and you see that shape and you go, oh. You see
a 69 Mustang, you just go, oh. My dad's got a
69 Camaro. Oh, yeah. It's blue with the. Yeah.
Beautiful car. No, it is beautiful. That's why
I said, Dad, I'm waiting for you to kick the
bucket so I can ride that. Don't you have one
of them six -wheel Hennesseys? Yeah, I did. That
is so crazy. That thing is so gigantic. It's
so fun. Do you have a pickup out here? Yeah,
I have one out here. I don't have it here today.
Today I drove my Tesla. Today I drove my electric
car. It's a Jesus Christ car. No, Jesus would
drive a fucking Shelby. That's sick. Yeah, look
at that thing. That is so crazy. A six -wheel
drive car. Now, all that extra weight with those
extra two wheels and an extra axle in the back,
is that fast still? It's fast. It's bumpy, but
it's fast. Oh, I imagine you'd probably tow a
fucking giant boat with that thing, man. That's
right. All that traction. It is so fun to drive.
It is inconvenient in Salt Lake City. How so?
Because it stands out? I can't get into any of
the spots. No parking spots. It's so big. I can't
get into any of the spots. You got an extra half
a car out back. I go to the Applebee's and I'm
like, all right, well, I don't know of any. I
try to get it perfect in because I don't want
to be the dickhead that blocks any spots. But
if I don't go in far enough, it sticks out so
fucking big out the back. And I just got to go
in just a little bit into the next spot. Just
a tiny bit. Just a smidge. Just like the wench
on the front. Well, for most people, that's fine.
If you have a regular car. Yeah, you can get
in there. There's other spots. Usually, I love
the Applebee's, but it's not usually super full.
You're an Applebee's guy. I love Applebee's.
Really? What's it about Applebee's? I love the
neighborhood, man. The atmosphere. I love the
atmosphere. I love the drink they give you that
comes with a gummy shark. Which one's that? I
don't know what it's called. It's like one of
them signature cocktails. Yeah, but it's so good.
And they have a special Mountain Dew at Applebee's.
They do? Yeah. It's special? Yeah, it's special.
It's only at Applebee's. What's the special?
You looking for another one of those? No, I got
this one right here. It's like a raspberry flavor,
I think. It's called like Space Punch. Darkberry
Bash. Darkberry Bash. It's called actually NASA
uses orange filters on Mars Bash. I swear to
God, check that shit out. Look into it. They
might. I think what Jamie is saying about color
correction, though, is accurate. Yeah, when I
was just looking at the photos, they all come
black and white, I think. Right. I think the
thing is that they're just getting data. They're
getting data, and that data has to be interpreted
into an image. And it's a lot more complicated
than you taking a picture on your iPhone and
texting it to me, and I get it, and it's in full
resolution. Look up Mars copy and paste. Look
up NASA copy and paste. NASA copy. Let's see
if this works. I'll add Mars. Just add Mars for
a buzzword. What do you think about all this
UFO disclosure shit? Are you paying attention
to it? Yes, sir. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's pretty
cool. That's pretty interesting, right? Yeah.
You know what's interesting? How little people
seem to care. Because we already know. I know,
but it's interesting that there wasn't some moment
where people were like, holy shit, aliens are
real. Pretty soon that's coming. I think because
of the slow trickle, it's going to be we just
accept it. Well, they try to normalize it. Yeah.
Like War of the Worlds, which is like the Battle
of Los Angeles and shit like that. That was a
real fucking thing that happened. The pictures
of Battle of Los Angeles is crazy. What happened
exactly in Battle of Los Angeles? There's this
big object in the sky and we're shooting machine
guns at it. We got spotlights. This is like in
the 50s maybe? I've never seen it. There's this
photo. Look at this shit. Wow. So we're putting
fucking rounds on this fucking thing. Spotlights
on this thing in the sky. Look at the rounds.
Right, but what is it that they see? That's weird.
All you can see is spotlights. 1947, it says
in the corner. Boy, that looks like a fucking
flying saucer. Look at in the middle, but those
things around it, those are fucking like Ma Deuce
rounds. Like they're shooting at this fucking
thing. They don't know what it is. Well, you
know that there's a famous story from the Soviet
Union that these guys shot at a UFO and it turned
them into stone. Is it true? I don't know. The
CIA investigated it. Here, I'll send it to you,
Jamie, because I sent it to Jeremy Corbell. That's
what I asked him. Fuck, I should have had links,
Jamie. God damn it. Well, this is the only link
I have. CIA UFO turned into STEM. You're definitely
on a watch list, Jamie. Yeah, so there's literally
like a CIA document about it. These guys supposedly
shot at a low -flying spaceship. According to
the KGB materials, a quite low -flying spaceship
in the shape of a saucer appeared above a military
unit that was conducting routine training maneuvers.
For unknown reasons, somebody unexpectedly launched
a surface -to -air missile and hit the UFO. It
fell to Earth not far away, and five short humanoids
with large heads and large black eyes emerged
from it. It is stated in the testimonies by the
two soldiers who remained alive that after freeing
themselves, Poles. Yeah, only two soldiers who
stood in the shade and were less exposed to the
luminous explosion survived. No shit The KGB
report goes on to say that the remains of the
UFO and the petrified soldiers were transferred
to a secret scientific research institution near
Moscow. Specialists assumed that a source of
energy that is still unknown to earthlings instantly
changed the structure of the soldiers' living
organisms, having transformed it into a substance
whose molecular composition is no different from
that of limestone. Oh, my God. It turned them
into limestone. Turned them literally into limestone.
And this is a CIA paperwork? Well, this is, you
know, they're reading from a KGB file, right?
So it's just... Go to the very bottom of that
again, Jamie, the very bottom. It says one of
the things it says, the CIA representative stated,
if the KGB file corresponds to reality, this
is an extremely menacing case. The aliens possess
such weapons and technology that go beyond all
our assumptions. They can stand up for themselves
if attacked. The thing is they're saying if the
file corresponds to reality, that means there's
a question. If this is real, they're tough. Yeah,
they can fuck with you. What year was this released?
I don't know. Source is a newspaper. 1991? 93.
93. So there's all these disclosures that are
going on right now, and they're very, very fascinating.
Because it's hard to know what's true and what's
not true. But it's interesting that they're talking
about it. But no one's showed me anything yet.
I'm waiting for them to show me things. I've
seen some things already, like those videos that
they took off the FLIR video and the Go Fast
video. These videos of these things where these
jet fighter pilots are trying to track this thing.
It's like zipping across the sky. I'm like, what
the fuck is that? I've seen a few of those. I've
talked to two different fighter pilots that have
had encounters. And they're all in. They're all
in. I think there's a real thing going on. What
that real thing is is what's confusing to me.
I think some of it has to be ours. I think some
of it has to be like super advanced drone technology
that we don't want everyone knowing about. And
it's probably some black ops shit. But I don't
think that's all of it. I think it's also possible
that we've been visited. It just makes sense.
It sounds so stupid. That's part of the problem
of even talking about it because it sounds dumb
because there's no evidence. So you have to believe
in something where there's no evidence of it
other than like some blurry photographs. But
then when you just think about the size of the
universe itself and the fact that we exist, we
exist here on this planet. We're real. We know
we're real. What if it's fucking a Martha or
whatever and they're from fucking the center
of the earth and the holes in the polar? The
poles or whatever, north and south, and that's
where the holes are, and that's why Google Maps
blocks it all out and all that shit. Well, that
would be a great theory before cell phones. But
it's not there. You still can't see it. Yeah,
but you can with satellites and also flight patterns.
Copy and paste, by the way. You know who doesn't
think the world is flat? Pilots. True. Or anyone
who's been in an airplane. They fly around, these
motherfuckers. They know where they have to go.
They know the flight patterns. You look at it.
Yeah, you look at it. Also, by the way, everything's
round. Go out in the fucking sky and look at
Mars, look at Jupiter, get a telescope, look
at all the stars. Notice how everything's round?
Seems like there's a pattern going on. Why would
this be different? This ass is round. I don't
know. It's so weird, man. I don't know. And you're
talking about the oh shit moment. I think we've
been so like normalized to it. Like ET, all this
shit. Growing up watching this shit to where
it's like, yeah, no shit. Everyone, no matter
what the surveys say or anything, everyone thinks
there's like something going on. Everyone. Yeah.
There's a few people that still are very incredulous.
Elon, believe it or not, is incredulous. He's
famously said, if aliens are real, they sure
are subtle. Very subtle. Bigfoot's subtle, too.
Doesn't mean he's not an interdimensional being
that could teleport at will. He knows where the
cameras are. He's an omniscient being. He shuts
down trail cams. Bigfoot is just Jesus Christ,
full beard, all over. He's just Woods Jesus.
Yeah, that's what he is. Y 'all see in the woods,
Jesus. He's a mythical creature that's looking
out for humanity. Our brothers and sisters, they
need our help. He's a benevolent, kind being.
He's got a big heart. Bro, the biggest scam ever
pulled in the American public is finding Bigfoot.
That show, they did that show for like 50 years.
It is so good. It's so good. I like the Bigfoot
hunters. I like all those shows. I know they're
not going to catch it, and I don't care. Of course.
I still watch it. And you can tell. Now it's
gotten to the point where it's all just actors.
They're just going out there. This is so scripted,
it's not even funny. Yeah, they're pretending
that they're encountering things, and they're
hearing things in the woods. It's crazy. There's
this whole, on Discovery, I watch Discovery,
or I have Discovery Plus, and there's a show
about vampires. And they were talking to these
two vampire hunters. And they were like, it was
like, imagine like Blade, but like two Blades.
And they were like acting like Blade. And I was
like, this is not. Fuck. This is undiscovery.
This is undiscovery, dude. That's hilarious.
Dude, it was like two. What if they go fucking
kill somebody? They're crazy. That's what I'm
saying. They're like, we know. We know they're
fucking out there. But it's all acting, bro.
Imagine if they were. That opening scene to Blade
when that dude gets dragged into the vampire
disco. I don't like surprises. He does like surprises,
actually. That's just amazing. Play that scene.
That is so good. Play that scene. I think that's
one of the greatest scenes in any movie ever.
It is so good. And Tracy Lourdes is the one who
takes him there. Dude. The first two Blade movies
were... The fucking best shit ever. The first
one. And he cuts that guy's hand off with this
fucking drawstring thing. Oh, man, that's so
cool, man. Yeah, those movies are the shit. But
the first one's the best. This poor dork. This
poor dude. This poor dork thinks he's going to
get to bang Tracy Lourdes. And she drags him
through this meat processing thing. And while
he's doing it, he kind of sees people. He's like,
what the fuck? As he's going through all this
hanging meat. They get to a point where, like,
people are rolling by. He's looking at frozen
people. But this dumb motherfucker wants pussy
so bad he keeps going. If you see an elevator
in, like, or, like, just a normal elevator with
a bouncer and a trench coat. He's ready to bail
and she grabs him and kisses him. And he's like,
okay, cool. This song is so hard. This song is
so hard. Give me that, Jamie. This fucking scene
rules, dude. She's great, too. She's great, too.
Frost is like girlfriend in the movie. Yes. And
that dude who plays the sidekick who gets his
hand cut off, that guy's the shit. He's so good.
I fucking love this scene because they all know
he's meat and he doesn't know he's meat. He's
the only meat in there. Only meat in there, man.
And they all recognize it. And he's trying to
get behind it. He's like, woo, woo, let's go.
Yeah, he starts dancing out there. Look at him.
What's up, dude? What's up, man? And then the
blood. It's so crazy because you don't know.
So far, you don't know what the fuck is going
on. Did they stop the new Blade? I heard they
were making... I think there's a series, right?
I thought it was a movie and they stopped making
it. Oh, no. Did they? I don't know. I hope not.
It definitely got pushed back a few months. It
got pushed back? I don't know. Well, there's
the writer's guild thing. There's the fucking
actor strike. Whenever Blade comes in, Wesley's
such a fucking hard ass. Oh, this scene's insane.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you, Shane. Yeah, here's
the part where the blood starts dripping from
the ceiling. That's so good. And they're all
throwing their arms up in the air. Why does no
one do this? This would be a crazy party. In,
like, real life, this would be a crazy fucking
party. Not real blood, but, like, pretend blood.
Yeah, you'd have to do pretend. But then people
would do one with real blood. Just like they're
having no rules fights where you eye gouge. You
win by eye gouging. Now he's realizing it's all
vampires around him. He's about to get fucked
up. Oh, dude. Oh, dude. They're so good. Oh,
my God. Look how clean. Blade is so clean right
here, too. Look at that. The Daywalker. Motherfucker's
always trying to ice skate uphill is what he
says to Frost right before he fucking kills him.
That's the coolest thing. Yo, let's go! Come
on. That, I think, is like, out of all the superhero
movies, that's the best introduction. Yeah, it
is. It's so good. The best introduction of a
superhero ever. It's so good. It starts in the...
It's so good. Yeah. I mean, that's how you see
Blade. Yeah. That's the first time you see it.
That's why I was so disappointed. Are they...
They're still doing the 2020... Because it was
supposed to be this year, but I don't know if
it's actually... There's actually... There's
a teaser trailer for it. Hold on. Oh. Wow. Because
that was my favorite shit as a kid. As well as
the trailer? He's so good. That actor they got
to do Blade. He is so good. What was that? What
do you mean? I don't know. He didn't say that,
so this could be a fake trailer. He didn't say
that. He did not say that. It could just be lagged.
How do you know he didn't say it? Maybe it's
just like a re -upload or something? His mouth
didn't move that way. Yeah, not even close. Let
it go, though. I'm dying. There are watchers
behind the eyes all over the city. That looked
okay. Oh, how the mighty have fallen. Grant you
the destiny you seek. Night is not a game. It
is a hunt. That didn't look weird. Yeah, that
wasn't a real trailer. Yeah, it's like a fan
-edited trailer. You think so? I've seen a really
good one recently where people are actually getting
real jobs for making fan -edited trailers. That's
crazy. That's smart, right? And then you show
it to the studio. Dude, it was like, find that
fucking guy. Yeah. They just take, what, from
the teaser or whatever and put a song there?
You know what drives me crazy? Who decided that
that's how music for a trailer has to be? Right.
Anticipation. You know what? It was the inception.
It was inception. That was like. Right. I don't
know. Every movie trailer soundtrack is exactly
the same. Every music trailer or movie trailer
soundtrack is exactly the same. That's interesting.
It's true, though. It's true. It's like there's
a pattern to get you jazzed up about something.
But see, it's starting to wear off because I'm
like, okay, I hear it. It's played out. Yeah,
I hear it. Now we need like a trailer with no
music. Trailers used to be one of my favorite
parts of going to the movies. Really? Yeah, man.
You got a good trailer. A good, solid trailer
that sucks you in. You're like, oh, shit. That
was how you found out about movies back then.
You didn't see Oppenheimer yet, right? No. No,
no, no, no, no, no. They show a trailer for this
before. And the sound, because you're in the
IMAX theater with Oppenheimer, makes this movie.
I mean, it already looks good, but the trailer
and the audio. Is it the same soundtrack? This
is Killers of a Flower Moon. No, it's not at
all. They added, whoever added this together
did a great job. Oh, is this new? Yeah, this
comes out later this year. Killers of the Flower.
Leo's a beast. My color. They used the sound
great. The whole stage. They have the worst land
possible. But they outsmarted everybody. The
land had oil on it. Black gold. Money. It flows
freely here now. I do love that money, sir. This
wealth should come to us. Their time is over.
It's just gonna be another tragedy. When this
money started coming, we should have known it
came with something else. They're like buzzards
circling our people. We're still warriors. I
ought to kill these white men who killed my family.
You've got to take back control of your home.
I was sent down from Washington, D .C. to see
about these murders. See what about them? See
who's doing it. Expecting a miracle to make all
this go away? You know they don't happen anymore.
Whoa. It's a good trailer. That's a good fucking
trailer. That's an original trailer soundtrack.
That's a good fucking trailer. I'm going to see
that fucking movie. I'm going to see that fucking
movie. You ever watch an old movie with no soundtrack
in it? And you're like, wow, this is wild. They
have no music in this movie. I'm trying to think
of the last movie I watched with no soundtrack
in it. If you watch some old, like watch The
Hustler with Paul Newman and Jackie Gleason,
there's no music playing. Unless there's music
in the background of a bar or something where
they're at. There's no music that accompanies
the scenes. No country for old men. No country
for old fucking men. The coolest fucking movie.
That's the best movie of all time. I love that
fucking movie. Javier Bardem is like the best
bad guy of all time. Oh my God, he's insane in
that movie. He's insane in that movie. He's unhinged.
Thank you. He really does appear to be that guy.
He feels like a psychotic guy that kills you
with a cattle prod. Even that scene where he's
driving on the bridge and he... There's a bird
on the bridge and he just goes and tries to kill
it. Yeah. But Mrs., like that says so much about
that character. It is so fucking good. The way
he kills people too is so crazy. The fucking
shower curtain. Yeah. The shower curtain where
he's like, he sees that motherfucker and he's
like, yeah. Just blast him through the shower
curtain. Yeah. I love that movie. That movie
has no music in it. Wow. I love that. I love
that. Yeah, it's a weird thing where you're listening
to music in a scene and it's telling you how
to think. Right. You know? Where it kind of takes
away a little bit of the suspension of disbelief
that you're that character. And that's why I
love that contrast and the juxtaposition of...
different music than you would expect. Like,
and the Django, whenever he goes and fucking
kills the whole house to Tupac. Yeah. That shit
is so hard because it's been Western music the
whole time. Right, right, right. That's such
a Tarantino move. He always has amazing music
choices. For those big culmination scenes, what
was the song in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood?
Whenever everything was fucking going down. Because
it always builds up to that one scene with the
contrasting music. It is so fucking cool. I love
that. I love that. It's just like, oh, I'm going
to fucking be in a war scene to, like, fucking,
like, where's my mind? Like, even the where's
my mind, like, that's great. But, like, it's
so fucking cool, dude. This scene is insane Music
in the background. Yeah, there's music. There's
music there Doors Did you watch this movie? Oh,
yeah I watched this movie with Dave Chappelle
and Donnell Rawlings in a movie theater that
we had all rented out. There was no one in it
but us. All the comics and the dudes we work
with went to see it at like 2 o 'clock in the
morning after our show. It's so good. It's amazing.
You get that buildup for that fucking... It's
also such a Tarantino movie. The violence in
it is so egregious. But only in that one deal.
Right, but it's enough. It's enough. It's so
good. And then he goes, he's like, you know what?
I'm getting out the fucking flamethrower from
my movie prop from a while ago. That shit is
so crazy, dude. Yeah, exactly. Oh, you're a home
intruder? I'm pulling out my fucking flamethrower.
Oh, God. That shit is crazy, dude. It's a crazy
movie, man. I love that movie. It's such a fun
movie, too, because it's like a reimagining of
the Manson murders. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Was it
Manson? Yeah. Like, actual? Or was it like a
playoff of? I think it was the Manson family
coming after him. But he happens to be there.
Yeah, it was. No, it was. Yep, yep. Because Tate's
in the movie. Everybody, the director, his idea.
Manson's in the movie briefly. The Italian director
that was in the, with Sharon Tate. Oh, yeah,
Manson was in that. That's right. That's crazy,
dude. And they go to that ranch. Yeah. They go
to the ranch and they're looking for the owner
of the ranch and he's sleeping. He's like, he
doesn't feel very good. That's a crazy movie.
It is a crazy movie. It's very good. It's a very
good movie. And that's what they did, too. They
whacked people for Charlie. And just... Is the
ranch story real? I guess specifically is what
I'm thinking about. What is the actual story?
What do they say? That they killed the guy who
owned the ranch and took it over or something?
Yeah, well, I guess in the movie, he's dead.
I don't know if that's based on a real story,
but I bet it is. I bet that's real. Or at least
if he's not dead, he's just fucking fucked up
out of his mind. They gave him all the drugs
in the world. But I think there were some cases
of girls honeypotting dudes and then the other
Manson family guys would come over and it would
turn into a shit show. I think that's what happened
with Brian Wilson and Dennis Wilson, his manager.
They became entrenched with Charles Manson. And
I think Dennis, we brought up this the other
day, right? Dennis Wilson was his manager at
one point or something, was going to produce
a record for him or something like that. And
it went sour. And, you know, then now you have
the fucking head of the Manson family who hates
you and he wants to kill you. Same Brian Wilson?
Brian Wilson from the Beach Boys. Yeah. Yeah,
his brother was a producer. Have you listened
to his music? Sure. Look at that. While gathering
his cult following, Manson was a singer -songwriter
in the fringe of the Los Angeles music industry,
chiefly through a chance association with Dennis
Wilson of the Beach Boys, who introduced Manson
to record producer Terry Melcher. His music is
so different. Yeah, it's fucking weird. It's
weird. Yeah, play some Charles Manson music.
It's weird listening to his voice. Because we
know, but that was like... Right before. It's
crazy, dude. It's so, it's fucking gives me fucking
chills, dude. It's so weird. The fucking eyes,
dude. It makes sense that he could do that. It's
weird, man. Because he's charismatic, right?
He was a cult leader. He has charisma. He knows
how to captivate people's attention. And that's
what he's doing through his singing. It's so
weird, dude. Weird. It gave me chills listening
to that fucking come on and look at that fucking
picture. It's just so strange. It's strange.
It's strange. Strange as a recording. Charles
Manson's song that's out there. Crazy. I think
there's more. I think there's more than that.
There's like a whole record now. It's crazy.
Did you ever see Searching for Sugar Man? No,
sir. Do you know the story behind it? No, sir.
Bro. This is a crazy story. That might have been
him singing just for record. What's that? That
wasn't him? Wasn't Charles Manson? It's fake?
No, no, no. I'm reading that he wrote these songs.
Oh. And someone else sung it? That might have
been someone else's voice. Might have been, or
is? I'm trying to figure it out. The actual thing
we just listened to, I don't know, but I'm like,
here's a link that says listen to these Charles
Manson songs, and he's credited as the songwriter
for them. He might have been trying to write
Beach Boys songs. Interesting. Interesting. I
didn't know they had any Brian Wilson and...
They had any connection. That's crazy. This one
says that these are performed by Steve Grogan.
Steve Grogan. Ah, okay. So he wrote it. 1970
recordings of Manson songs. Whoa. That's crazy.
Jamie, Google searching for Sugar Man. This is
a movie that I think you would love. So this
movie is about this guy who made these albums.
He made an album in the 70s, made some recordings.
And nobody, they didn't take off over here in
America. But people were playing them in South
Africa. And in South Africa, this guy was gigantic.
And there was all these rumors about him being
dead. Meanwhile, the guy was in America doing
construction work. He was like a laborer. Really?
Yes. So then all of a sudden they find him. What
is his name? It says it right there. Just scroll
up. Rodriguez. So this guy doesn't know that
he's a fucking huge star in South Africa. And
they find him, and then they bring him to South
Africa to do a concert. And it's fucking bananas.
Imagine having no idea that there's hundreds
of thousands of people. What year is this? Well,
the documentary was like... 10 years ago, when
the movie came out. Right, and what was the event?
98, it said on that tape. So 98, so no internet.
So that's how it happens. This is the kind of
shit that happened before the internet. Somebody
got a hold of his records. And played it on the
radio. Some guy was an aficionado. He was like,
I love this song. And he has some great songs.
Some great music. It's really interesting music.
And, you know, he's... It was a fucking huge
star in another country, and he had no idea.
And this is the movie about him going on stage.
It brought me to tears, man. It brought me to
tears. When he went on stage, it's like, holy
shit, what is that like for him? He had no idea.
That's crazy. It's like he's living in a dream.
How do you even go do a show? How do you even
go do a show? How do you do a show? I can't do
a fucking show, and I know that there's people
coming. I can't even fucking do a show. He's
believed to have sold more records in South Africa
than Elvis Presley. That's crazy. Insane. Sixto
Rodriguez is his name. Wow. You ever heard any
of his stuff? No, sir. Pull up something. Pull
up some shit. That's crazy. He's got a great
voice. It's great stuff. Sugar Man, I guess?
Yes, Sugar Man's a good one. Looking for. Trying
to find one. Here is a good one. Sugar man, won't
you hurry? Because I'm tired of these scenes.
For a blue coin, won't you bring back all those
colors to my dreams? You carry Jumper's Coke
Sweet Mary Jane Sugar Man Met a false friend
On a lonely dusty road Lost my heart When I found
it It had turned to dead black coal It's a good
fucking song, right? It's so good. It's really
good. It's great writing. It is. It is really
good. It really breathes really fucking nice,
and his voice is insane. Jamie, what year was
this that this was recorded? I think 68. Wow.
He was one off. He was almost in the good year.
This dude for 30 years thought he didn't make
it. That's crazy. And then he goes over and he
stands up in front of an arena filled with people.
He quit music in 1976 and purchased a house in
Detroit for 250 bucks, technically. Wow. $250?
He lived there until 2013. Yeah, his house had
like no heat, you know, like a fireplace. It's
weird shit, man. What's a fireplace? You know,
where the fire is, in the corner. That's fucking
crazy. I got to look into fucking Rodriguez.
What a fucking legend. I think the guy wound
up giving all his money away, too. He's kind
of, I mean, that might be one of them legend
stories. I tell a lot of those, unfortunately.
Don't turn out to be true. I hear a lot of legends,
and I just fucking repeat them ad nauseum. But
I think the thing about him was people said that
he had given his money away and that he just
kind of went back to a simple life and stopped
performing. Maybe he experienced it in the documentary
and all the heat and all the attention. He's
like, yeah, you know what? I'm an older man now,
and I'm not interested in this anymore. I was
interested in this when I was a young man. and
now maybe i just want to chill yeah and like
he fucking knows he did it now at least like
wow people enjoyed it and it's really good man
yeah it's crazy songs that can slip through that
like people like how was that like you find out
a song from 1969 you're like how was that not
a fucking smash hit yeah do you ever heard of
johnny thunder no sir play i'm alive by johnny
thunder My friend Brian Simpson told me about
this the other day. And he goes, you got to hear
this song. And he plays it. And he goes, and
we were trying to, we had to do the research.
When was this released? We thought it was 2011.
It's 1969. It was like re -released. Damn. Okay.
All right. But I want you to imagine a world
where a dude who makes a song that's this fucking
good isn't a superstar. Listen to this shit.
Sounds like the Black Keys. 1969. Listen to this
guy. Yeah, dude. Damn. It does sound modern because
the way they cut records now is just like...
They chase that retro vibe. Yeah. What year was
this? 69, son. His distortion is crazy on that
guitar. That tone is amazing. God damn, this
is good. I'm going to get out my phone. I'll
send it to you. Please, thank you. I will not
forget. This is one of my favorite songs. I fucking
love this song. I listen to this song every night
in my green room. That's like mandatory listening.
Yeah, that shit is. I listen to Open the Gates.
That's the first song we listen to when I get
in the room because it's a crazy song. It's just
a good way to get it going. What is this? This
is the other version of it? He covered this version
of it. Yeah. Their version sucks. Oh, yeah? This
version. Listen to this. It's slower. Listen
to this, though. They got good monthly listeners.
They got 1 .7 million. Well, it's Tommy James
and the Shondells. They're very famous. I don't
know them. Really? No. Oh, yeah, they're a 1960s
band. I would like to see Joe Rogan with, like,
a mod haircut. Yeah, I'd go for it, bro. You'd
look cool. Full of hair, I'd get mutton chops.
Let's go, baby. Give me them fucking big collars,
bitch. Elvis covers. Let's go. Do I make you
rendy? There's a country version of it, too,
with Kenny Chesney and Dave Matthews. Okay, let's
hear a little bit of that. Let's hear a little
bit of that. Man, actually, it's called I'm Alive.
This could be a different song before we get
too far. It sounds very different. Yeah. All
right, I'll just skip that. It sounds very different,
unless they completely whitened it up. It's not
an unoriginal. They brutalized it. Kenny Chesney
does not have the mod haircut, man. Yeah. But
that song, it's a perfect song. It's like, just
leave it alone. Yeah, you get so much with it.
That song's perfect. That song's so good, man.
It's got so much fucking feeling to it. And nobody
heard about it. It's on the cover by them, by
the way. What's that? That's not the same song.
Oh, of course. Yeah, it didn't seem like it as
you were playing it. You'd have to have big balls
to cover that song after Johnny Thunder. It's
just so good, man. Great name, too. Yeah, what
a great name. Not a porn star name at all. Johnny
Thunder. Joe Rogan, I got to pee. All right,
my brother. Let's wrap this up. I love you. I
love you, too. I appreciate you very much, man.
Thank you for having me, sir. You're a fun dude.
Thank you, sir. It's always fun to talk to you.
Let's do it more often. I would absolutely love
to. All right. And I'll see you tomorrow night.
Yes, sir. Oh, we're going to go to the mothership
tonight. Yeah, no, we're fucking going party.
Let's go. Bye, everybody. Good night. I love
you guys. Be safe. Keep being amazing. Have a
great night, guys. I love you.