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Welcome to this curated educational transcript of the Joe Rogan Experience. In this session, we provide a deep-dive examination of the critical perspectives and historical dialogues presented in Episode #1600. Our mission is to offer a high-fidelity, searchable research resource for students of cultural history, emerging technology, and global discourse. This transcript has been specifically optimized for academic reference, linguistic study, and archival preservation regarding Artificial Intelligence, Robotics, and the Philosophy of Love and Consciousness. Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan

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Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by

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night, all day. Rex, I had a surprise for you,

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but it didn't work out. I had a suit and a tie,

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and I was going to come in dressed like you.

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Exactly. Yes, full on white shirt, suit, tie.

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Fitted. Yes, fitted. But the problem is my fucking

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shirt was at the cleaners. So then I tried to

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have some other white shirts that are like these

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really stretchy shirts that you can wear them

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if they're open. But if I'm trying to put a tie

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on, they literally don't fit around my neck.

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So I'm doing this and I'm killing myself. And

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then I'm like, well, maybe I'll leave it open.

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Dressing up like first day of school. Damn, I

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appreciate it. I'm honored. I was going to mimic

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you. Do you remember Michael Malice? Yes. He

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actually, I did a podcast with him, and he wore

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the opposite, which is a white suit and a white

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tie and a black shirt. I mean, he is sort of

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the epitome of the loving kind of troll. That's

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the ultimate troll. He wore the exact opposite.

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He got the exact same haircut as me. I don't

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even know what that means exactly. Just cut your

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hair short. Just cut your hair short. Yeah, that's

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all it means. But it was a magical moment. That's

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what trolling at its best does. It's like you

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feel loved. That's funny. He's an interesting

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guy. Michael Malice is a very interesting guy

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because he's got some wacky beliefs that I don't

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subscribe to at all. Yeah, complete anarchy.

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No police. I don't think we should have police.

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I'm like, what world are you living in? You weigh

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three pounds and you don't even have a gun. No

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police. What are you talking about? But he's

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a brilliant guy. Brilliant. It's interesting.

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I don't subscribe to a lot of his ideas, but

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I think... He's also always has a half smile

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when he's saying things. Yeah. So you kind of

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never know. I don't think he means half the things

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he says. Really? So I don't know. He's underneath

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it all, which is why I talk to him, which is

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why I consider him a friend. There's a really

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kind person in there. Yes. But he says things

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like, yeah, police is the enemy. It's like, wait

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a minute. And you live in New York. So he plays

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with ideas. It feels like he's just somebody

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who's juggling with different ideas and having

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fun with it, not taking anything seriously. And

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that's really refreshing because in the best

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light, that's a fearless way to see the world.

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And also, he's working on this concept of, I

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think he calls it the white pill, you know, like

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red pill and blue pill. The white pill is basically,

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you know, I think he's highlighting that for

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red -pilled folks that... there's sometimes a

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cynicism about the future of the world and the

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white pill is seeing the truth of the world but

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being optimistic about it and thinking like we

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can actually make things better so not becoming

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cynical not saying like you know uh globalists

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the government is ultimately like power corrupts

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absolute power corrupts absolutely it's always

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going to be a bureaucracy it's always going to

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be greedy people who take power and take control

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So that's like the cynical, the negative view.

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But the positive, the white pill view is that,

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you know, we can actually build a better world.

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I mean, he has ideas about how to build that

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better world that I don't agree with. What is

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his ideas? I'm not sure I've quite understood

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them, but because ultimately he's a counter puncher,

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which is, you know, government, all government

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is bad. So that's the idea of anarchism is that.

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You're supposed to, in this emergent way, form

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groups and agree together how those groups should

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operate. Isn't that like a local government?

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It's a local government. So his biggest problem

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is that we're born in this geographical space

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and are assigned to a particular government without

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having chosen it. So he wants to do exactly what

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we're doing now. but choose our government. Well,

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isn't that what happens when you move to a different

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state? I think so. Different state, that's the

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whole idea. That's one of the reasons why I'm

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here. Yeah. You're an anarchist. I guess I am.

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If you consider California the status quo, I'm

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an anarchist. That's right. This is the headline

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now. Joe Rogan says he's an anarchist. Current

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California. I mean, if rebelling against that

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form of government, draconian measures they put

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in with the lockdowns and then allowing people

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to camp everywhere. Yeah, but he also says, I

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think, that we're in a state of anarchy between

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different nations because you can choose to immigrate

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to a different nation. And then they operate.

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There's no, I think there's the UN and so on.

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There's agreements between nations, but they

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operate as independent entities. I don't know.

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And his idea is like remove as much as possible.

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It's like libertarian plus plus. Like remove

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as much control from the government as possible.

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That's great until somebody robs you. Yeah, I

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think so too. So this is the capitalist view,

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I think. I don't know. I don't want to misuse

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terms. The step back from the anarchist view

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is, you know, we should get government out of

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most things, but the violence thing, we should

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let government protect us from. So the military,

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the police, you know, and things like firefighters

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and all those kinds of things. I mean, that forms

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the fabric of society that can be stable and

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operate well. We could do all of the amazing

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things in terms of building new businesses, doing

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science, doing all the kinds of entrepreneurship,

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just everything that makes this capitalist United

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States of America possible, like all the freedoms

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we enjoy. It, at least to me, feels like the

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violence thing has to be removed off the table.

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Yeah. Yeah, that's the biggest problem. Because

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when you have violence, you don't get anything

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done. Like, societies didn't really form in the

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sense that we have now, I would imagine, until

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they developed agriculture in cities, right?

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Where they figured out a way to put walls up

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and fortify them and keep the barbarians out

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and go, okay. I'm thinking about a thing. It's

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called a wheel. They start putting ideas together.

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Just relax, write stuff, write ideas down on

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paper. Yeah. And we're talking about physical

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violence. Yes. Like literally barbarians. Not

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like calling you the wrong pronoun. Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah. So, I mean, he, but I feel like, and Tim

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Dillon does this really well as well, is there's

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like a humor to it. where you're almost taking

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down the powerful by not taking them seriously.

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He's one of the best alive at it. Tim Dillon

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is one of the best I've ever seen. One of the

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best I've ever seen at making fun of things while

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pretending to be serious. Yeah. His YouTube is

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hilarious. He's amazing. I love that guy to death.

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And he has a free pass because he's gay. So he

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gets away with so much more. And he doesn't seem

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gay. My wife doesn't even believe it. She's like,

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I don't even believe he's gay. She's laughing

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about it. She's joking. But he's just a one of

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a kind. Yeah. He really is one of a kind. Kamala

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has already arrested me. Not mad, though. Just

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enjoying the moment. His Twitter's a fucking,

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it's a work of art. I mean, it really is. His

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Twitter feed's amazing. What did you say that

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Burt made a video of the homeless? It was on

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his Instagram. I'll see if I can pull it up.

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Burt Crusher? He was driving up Highland Avenue

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in Hollywood and was just saying, like, he wasn't

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showing the whole video during it, but he was,

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like, at a stoplight. And, like, there was tents

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the whole way up here. And he was showing, like,

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this is also a really nice tent. People want

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me to talk to Bert Krush because of this Russian

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story. Oh, hi, Bert. Look at Bert. The machine.

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Oh, it's in his Instagram story. That motherfucker,

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his stories will go on for years. He does them

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every 15 seconds. It might even be deleted now.

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It's crazy. Productivity -wise, he's basically

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the Elon Musk of Instagram stories. Maybe he

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took it off because it's not showing up. Or it

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could be one of these. Is it? Well, there it

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is. There's tents all the way up on Highland.

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People living on the side of the street. This

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is fucking insane. This is literally hundreds

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of tents everywhere. By the way, that's a nice

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fucking tent. Also, those are two very nice tents.

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I wonder if the city's giving them out because

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we don't have a tent that nice. I mean, I'm not

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even joking. Our tent isn't even that nice. Wow.

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That's a tiny image he showed. You know, you

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didn't get to see the real homeless situation.

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But Bridget Phetasy sent me a video when she

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was driving by Venice. And it's a minute and

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a half long of just straight tense as she's driving

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down the road. Just nothing but tense. Yep. How

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do you put that genie back in the bottle, Lex?

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Well, this is – oh, you mean it's a slippery

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slope. Listen, I've been thinking about – You

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know, a bunch of tech folks are moving to Austin,

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right, in terms of starting businesses. So that's

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one of the questions they're asking, like, where

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is this headed? You're talking about the homeless

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problem. Well, the governor just today came out

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and said that if the city does not reimpose a

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ban on camping, that the state is going to step

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in. Well, yeah. Because people are, there's safety

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concerns. People are openly defecating on the

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streets. There's, you know, it's not nearly as

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bad here as it is in California, but it's way

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worse here than I've ever seen it before. But,

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you know, homelessness is, it feels like that's

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a symptom, not the problem, right? I mean, is

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that... It's hard to say because homelessness

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was horrific in San Francisco before the pandemic.

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Right. And the concern is that when you are too

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lenient on the homeless folks and just allow

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them to camp wherever they want, shit wherever

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they want, they just do it. And if you don't

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put up rules, if you try to be progressive and

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open -minded, it's like they have new words for

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them, like the unhoused and shit like that. when

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you do that you open up the door for more of

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them to migrate there because there's like there

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was a video that somebody put up of them interviewing

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these homeless guys and like why do you like

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san francisco and they said first of all they

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give us food they give us money they they let

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us you know they're really loose they let us

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camp wherever we want and these guys had moved

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to san francisco to be homeless which is a problem

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but see just like you said That problem is tied

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up with the fact that a lot of people are struggling

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financially because of COVID. It feels like trying

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to solve the homelessness problem is in direct

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tension with trying to take care of people who

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are struggling. It shows that there's a problem

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with people losing a place to live and that the

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solution is not necessarily let them camp out

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anywhere they want. I think there should be some

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sort of a step that the government takes, whether

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it's to develop housing or to build something

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for them. When you let them just camp and shit

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everywhere, then you ruin all the other spaces.

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The best way to keep the city intact and to try

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to help these people is to implement some sort

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of a program where you provide housing for them.

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Letting them just camp on the street, that's

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chaos. Now you've fucked up everything. So this

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particular... State government just seems incompetent

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at solving this particular problem, but it also

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seems to be not very good at solving some other

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problems, right, in terms of encouraging businesses

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to stay there. You mean California? California,

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sorry. Well, it's overregulated. It's a crazy

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regulated state. And it's also very high taxes.

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And there's a lot of people that are recognizing

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that there's other places that don't have any

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state taxes. Like, why would I stay in a place

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that's – they're telling you you can't work.

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They're closing down businesses. Gavin Newsom

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today, there's a lawsuit that got filed by more

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than 50 San Francisco Bay Area restaurants and

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bars trying to say, like, why are we closed?

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Like, this doesn't make any sense. You can't

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just keep doing this forever. And some places

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are starting to wake up. My hope is that a lot

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of this is political, as gross as that sounds,

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and that now that Biden and Harris are in, that

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they'll open things back up. And the mayor of

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Chicago said this. The mayor of New York has

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said we have to open things back up. And I'm

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hoping that they take this chance. It could go

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the other way as well, though, right? The other

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way is now that there is... a Democrat in office

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that they could see that as a pass to pass further

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regulations and push this, close the economy,

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go into lockdown further. Why would they do that,

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though? Listen, I always thought it was a terrible

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idea. The long -term consequences on the economy

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are going to be potentially orders of magnitude

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worse on the fabric of our society. So I don't

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know why they would do that. So the Michael Malice,

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so the devil on my shoulder. Okay, Michael's

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the devil. Wearing a white suit. Or the devil

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wears a suit and tie, right? Yeah. That's a badass.

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I've been listening to that. How good is that

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guy? That guy's amazing. Colter Wall. And your

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story, sorry on a small tangent, your story that

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he hasn't been on your podcast because... He's

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working on a ranch. Like, as a fucking rancher.

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This guy's legit. Like, we reached out to them.

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He's like, well, he's working on the ranch right

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now. Like, what is he doing on that ranch? He's

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a fucking cowboy. Like, a legit cowboy. Like,

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there's literally no more badass thing to do

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than turn down Joe Rogan Experience appearance.

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Massive promotion. He's like, eh, I'd rather

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just rope steers. Yeah. But the Michael Malice

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devil argument is that... You know, that's one

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way for the government to gain more control or

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the populace is to fear mongers say that there's

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a big problem and that magnify the sort of the

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narrative around how big that problem is. And

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unfortunately, from my perspective, as a scientist,

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to use scientists to say, look, scientists are

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saying there's a huge problem, sort of use science.

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as a tool of fear mongering and then gain further

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and further control of the populace that's the

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devil on the on the shoulder you have to have

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an incentive to do that like why would they want

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that kind of control while also devastating the

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economy they need the economy because they need

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tax revenue if they're not getting tax revenue

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how are they going to feed the military industrial

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complex how are they going to feed all their

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businesses how are they going to feed the pharmaceutical

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industry like what all these people that finance

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their campaigns and all these banks that that

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pay for them to speak after they get out of office,

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where's the money coming from now if there's

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no economy? I don't think that... I think that's

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like one of them doom and gloom QAnon type deals

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where people are thinking like, they want to

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kill half the population and, you know. Yeah,

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no, I agree with you. Everything you said, incentive

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-wise, it makes sense. I was really confused

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why we haven't done, for example, mass scale

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testing of everybody, which seemed like... You

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know, the antigen tests, which can be under a

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dollar to manufacture, manufacture hundreds of

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millions of them, at -home testing of everybody.

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Is it under a dollar? To manufacture, yeah. Really?

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Now, yeah. So you can start April or May of last

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year, start mass manufacture. There's no reason

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we can't do that. And then everybody starts getting

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tested. At the individual level, you know, the

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accuracy is not. perfect but at the societal

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level that's one way if you get a negative test

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your debt sorry if you get a positive test you

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definitely have covet and so based on that trusting

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the individuals not tracking them but trusting

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the individuals when they get a positive test

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that they will stay home and through that process

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we would have been able to open up the economy

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in the summer like that uh Michael Mina, I think,

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from Harvard, people should go follow him on

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Twitter or wherever. He's been screaming about

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this. Like, why the hell is FDA getting in the

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way of this? So the FDA doesn't like crappy at

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-home tests. They want, like, expensive nice

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tests. But the problem with expensive nice tests,

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it's hard to manufacture them at that scale.

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So there's, you know, people should go read his

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stuff. He's an actual expert of this. Do the

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crappy at -home tests have a lot of false positives?

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False... No, they have false negatives. So meaning

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if you get a positive, for sure you have it.

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Is that true? Because we've had guys that got

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false positives with the rapid antigen test.

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The rapid antigen test? Yeah. Okay, everything

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coming out of my mouth now is kind of crappily...

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You might be correct. You need whiskey. This

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is what you need. Some Whitmire's Texas Single

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Barrel. Come on, son. All right, Joe. Do you

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want to drink some whiskey? Just to clear the

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mind. Like that sound? That's the sound of bad

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decision -making about to come up. Ice or no

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ice? No ice, please. Like a man. I love it. Fucking

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Russians. Savage people. Well, definitely not

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vodka, though, because I can drink whiskey in

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moderation. Can't drink vodka in moderation?

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You just start going hard? What is it? We got

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some of that. No, no, no. Cheers, sir. Cheers.

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Good to see you, man. Good to see you. How long

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are you down for? Anywhere from one week to five

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years. You're so free. I love how you live, man.

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It's beautiful. Because of your podcast, you

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can really do whatever you want, whenever you

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want to do it. It's kind of amazing. It's the

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Texas way. It is. The Russian slash Texas way.

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But I like Boston, too. I'm afraid of Silicon

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Valley now. Everybody inside Silicon Valley,

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all my friends that work there, All the great

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entrepreneurs, all the people that work at big

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companies, Google and so on, say do not move

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here. You know, here's childlike, naive me, like,

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texting, oh, what are the cool places to live?

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It's like all cabs do not move. Wyoming. Get

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out now. I don't understand. They don't actually

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provide good reasons. Like, the tax thing isn't

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the reason they provide. Well, it's crime. Elon

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told me 12 of his friends have been robbed. 12

00:19:04.819 --> 00:19:06.420
of his friends have been assaulted and robbed

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there. Yeah. He's like, it's dangerous. So culturally,

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the whole kind of defund the police culture is

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affecting the stability of the society. There's

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that, but there's also just rampant homelessness

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and people with mental health problems and drug

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addicts. And they need to fuel their problem.

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You know, there was a show where they parked

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cars in San Francisco to see how long it took

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before the car got broken into. And then they

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put, you know, surveillance camera to watch it.

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And it was crazy. You parked the car, and then

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five minutes later, people are looking around.

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They would sit in front of it, look around, look

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around, just pull out a hammer out of a bag,

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smash and grab. You just leave a bag in there

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so it looks like there might be something in

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the bag. It was crazy. They watched over and

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over and over again. People do this in a place

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where it's literally the highest real estate

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in the state and one of the most wealthy places

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on earth. San Francisco is incredibly wealthy.

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And you have... homelessness everywhere crime

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everywhere there's an app that you can get where

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you can track the human defecation throughout

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the city yeah like why would you live there well

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the question is if you want to build so in the

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tech space if you want to build a company to

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do something cool i don't care if with that little

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app or change the world It's some large -scale

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thing. Where do you go? Right here, baby. Austin,

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Texas. Come on, son. But for the longest time,

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it's been Silicon Valley, right? I'm trying to

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talk everybody cool and moving here. Fahim Anwar

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is moving here. One of the best comics in LA.

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Awesome. So, yeah, Elon has moved here. So he's

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kind of the reason that's making me think, like,

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it's very possible that this becomes... in the

00:20:51.440 --> 00:20:55.220
good sense, where the crazy, the wild entrepreneurs

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move. So the tech, the cool Silicon Valley moves.

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It's very possible. Like you. Like you, Lex.

00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:06.279
It's calling you. Yeah, yeah. I heard you ate

00:21:06.279 --> 00:21:09.299
at Terry Black's. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Terry Black's.

00:21:10.539 --> 00:21:12.519
Stopped you in your tracks, didn't it? Exactly

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like you said. First of all, it was amazing.

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And then, of course, there's people who are like,

00:21:19.470 --> 00:21:22.170
oh, no. Yes, Terry Black's is amazing, but you

00:21:22.170 --> 00:21:25.069
should try this other place, so on and so forth.

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There's all kinds of great barbecue here. They're

00:21:27.349 --> 00:21:29.670
right. Franklin's is awesome. Look at that. Woo!

00:21:30.650 --> 00:21:32.690
People are like, that's too dry. Okay, I get

00:21:32.690 --> 00:21:35.150
it. No, no, no, no. It is not too dry. That's

00:21:35.150 --> 00:21:37.289
a photograph, you fucks. Not only that, it's

00:21:37.289 --> 00:21:39.690
with an Android phone. How do you know it's an

00:21:39.690 --> 00:21:41.609
Android? Because you're an Android guy. Yes.

00:21:42.670 --> 00:21:44.549
You've committed to that platform. It's very

00:21:44.549 --> 00:21:46.920
admirable. You don't give a fuck about that green

00:21:46.920 --> 00:21:49.920
text bubble. Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, try at Signal.

00:21:50.559 --> 00:21:52.240
Oh, Signal's amazing. You and I had an extensive

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conversation at Signal, like one message back

00:21:54.480 --> 00:21:57.329
and forth. Well, we can keep going, but it seemed

00:21:57.329 --> 00:21:59.970
to be like we just text each other. I don't mind

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green. It's one of my favorite colors. I don't

00:22:02.450 --> 00:22:04.609
mind the green bubble. But I think it's a funny

00:22:04.609 --> 00:22:09.710
thing with people. I'm more invested in the Apple

00:22:09.710 --> 00:22:13.990
ecosystem, and I use AirDrop a lot amongst friends.

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And I know Samsung has an equivalent to AirDrop

00:22:17.650 --> 00:22:21.170
now that's supposed to be... Pretty functional.

00:22:21.369 --> 00:22:25.089
Samsung Galaxy S21, the greatest phone coming

00:22:25.089 --> 00:22:28.569
out soon. Ultra. Ultra is the big one? That's

00:22:28.569 --> 00:22:31.190
the good one. Yeah. Yeah, phantom black. Looks

00:22:31.190 --> 00:22:33.009
good on you. I feel like I was sponsored to say

00:22:33.009 --> 00:22:36.970
this, but I hope I was. I hope I get a free phone

00:22:36.970 --> 00:22:38.650
out of this. MKBHD had a great review of the

00:22:38.650 --> 00:22:40.950
Ultra. He makes it very exciting. Yeah, he makes

00:22:40.950 --> 00:22:42.970
everything exciting. He's great. Everything just

00:22:42.970 --> 00:22:45.730
looks super sharp and crisp and sexy. Just everything.

00:22:45.829 --> 00:22:47.710
I just want to buy all of whatever he's got.

00:22:48.490 --> 00:22:51.210
He's so smooth. Yeah. He's so smooth. He's so

00:22:51.210 --> 00:22:55.430
nonchalant. He's so just relaxed. He's an Android

00:22:55.430 --> 00:22:57.769
guy. You know, there's a lot of those tech guys

00:22:57.769 --> 00:23:00.369
that review things or Android guys because you're

00:23:00.369 --> 00:23:02.869
constantly taking your SIM card out of one phone

00:23:02.869 --> 00:23:05.230
and putting it in another. I got an iPhone 12

00:23:05.230 --> 00:23:09.549
and I tried to get it registered at Verizon.

00:23:09.549 --> 00:23:12.849
It took an hour and a half. It didn't work. I

00:23:12.849 --> 00:23:15.109
bought it online at the Apple store. I got it

00:23:15.109 --> 00:23:17.170
delivered. Took an hour and a half to get it.

00:23:17.190 --> 00:23:18.609
They go, like, we can't figure out how to do

00:23:18.609 --> 00:23:20.509
this. We might have to change your plan. I'm

00:23:20.509 --> 00:23:22.769
like, Jesus fucking Christ. Finally, they got

00:23:22.769 --> 00:23:25.029
it. They got it up and running. I'm like, oh,

00:23:25.049 --> 00:23:26.569
it's great. It's different. It's more square.

00:23:27.130 --> 00:23:29.190
Same fucking phone. It's not much different,

00:23:29.269 --> 00:23:31.349
right? For what I do, I mean, I'm not playing

00:23:31.349 --> 00:23:33.529
games. I'm just making phone calls and taking

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pictures. The camera on the 11 was awesome. The

00:23:35.630 --> 00:23:37.730
camera on the 12 is awesome. The next morning,

00:23:37.829 --> 00:23:40.630
on my way to the fucking airport, and it just

00:23:40.630 --> 00:23:43.400
stops working. Just completely stopped working.

00:23:43.539 --> 00:23:45.720
Wouldn't make phone calls. I couldn't call Verizon

00:23:45.720 --> 00:23:49.180
on it. Couldn't do anything. It said, please

00:23:49.180 --> 00:23:52.440
contact Verizon. And I'm like, oh, you sons of

00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:54.660
bitches. So then I had to call them, and I just

00:23:54.660 --> 00:23:58.039
reactivated my 11. I have this fucking brick

00:23:58.039 --> 00:24:01.920
of a 12 just sitting in my dresser. It's like

00:24:01.920 --> 00:24:04.420
buying the treadmill that you never use. Jamie

00:24:04.420 --> 00:24:08.160
and I were just talking about the Ableton Live

00:24:08.160 --> 00:24:11.000
Push. Sorry, what was it? Yeah, that's a little

00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:15.039
deep. It's a musical instrument tool. So actually,

00:24:15.180 --> 00:24:18.160
Grimes uses that to compose for music. What is

00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:21.880
it? It's a thing that... So there's a recording

00:24:21.880 --> 00:24:24.079
software called Ableton Live, and there's a push

00:24:24.079 --> 00:24:27.839
device where you can tap it to do a beat. And

00:24:27.839 --> 00:24:31.079
you can mix stuff. You can loop things. And there's

00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:33.140
people online you can watch, and they create

00:24:33.140 --> 00:24:35.680
incredible... Is it right there? Yeah. Oh, that

00:24:35.680 --> 00:24:38.000
looks dope. That looks like a giant Simon Says

00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:40.750
machine. Doesn't it look like something you want

00:24:40.750 --> 00:24:44.210
to learn and use to create cool stuff? So I got

00:24:44.210 --> 00:24:46.269
it like two years ago. Let me hear some of this.

00:24:46.970 --> 00:24:50.670
What you make out of it is what you decide. Play

00:24:50.670 --> 00:24:54.690
melodies and chords in any key. Oh, this is like

00:24:54.690 --> 00:24:56.009
a commercial. This is like the ad for it, yeah.

00:24:56.750 --> 00:24:59.420
It does look pretty dope. Well, but the point

00:24:59.420 --> 00:25:01.940
is it's a symbol of all my failures in life because

00:25:01.940 --> 00:25:03.980
I've gotten, it's been sitting in a box just

00:25:03.980 --> 00:25:06.200
looking at me, just like that brick of a phone,

00:25:06.259 --> 00:25:09.259
just saying this is why you're a failure because

00:25:09.259 --> 00:25:11.720
you can't take three or four hours to read a

00:25:11.720 --> 00:25:15.019
fucking manual or tutorial or learn how to actually

00:25:15.019 --> 00:25:17.119
use this. Maybe a YouTube video would get you.

00:25:17.619 --> 00:25:20.400
Well, no, it gets, I was talking to Jamie, it

00:25:20.400 --> 00:25:24.950
gets you in a way, it's both. exciting inspiring

00:25:24.950 --> 00:25:27.910
and depressing because they're so good and they

00:25:27.910 --> 00:25:30.529
make it look so easy like look you can just tap

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a beat and you can start but when you actually

00:25:32.809 --> 00:25:35.809
like start to learn how to use it like able to

00:25:35.809 --> 00:25:38.329
live the software you realize there's all these

00:25:38.329 --> 00:25:41.250
buttons and you yeah there's there's all these

00:25:41.250 --> 00:25:43.190
things you have to learn like how do i even record

00:25:43.190 --> 00:25:45.509
just the basic just even our conversation how

00:25:45.509 --> 00:25:48.049
do i record that and and then you have to realize

00:25:48.049 --> 00:25:50.589
there's like shortcuts you have to learn you

00:25:50.589 --> 00:25:53.769
basically have to sit down embrace the suck,

00:25:53.910 --> 00:25:57.809
embrace the learning curve of saying, okay, on

00:25:57.809 --> 00:26:00.950
Monday, I'm going to read this tutorial and I'm

00:26:00.950 --> 00:26:04.369
going to get it done and learn something new.

00:26:04.829 --> 00:26:08.289
And doing that alone is really difficult when

00:26:08.289 --> 00:26:10.250
nobody's really pushing you. I don't know. That's

00:26:10.250 --> 00:26:13.509
probably a metaphor for a lot of things we fail

00:26:13.509 --> 00:26:17.009
to do in life is like always putting it off and

00:26:17.009 --> 00:26:19.490
putting it off and putting it off. It's something

00:26:19.490 --> 00:26:21.549
that actually will probably bring, like me in

00:26:21.549 --> 00:26:25.089
this case, a lot of joy. I'm sure you're accurate.

00:26:25.470 --> 00:26:29.490
Right. But you have to be a little bit less harsh

00:26:29.490 --> 00:26:32.529
on yourself because you're very productive. The

00:26:32.529 --> 00:26:35.130
problem with you is you do so many things. Between

00:26:35.130 --> 00:26:38.150
jiu -jitsu and working out and having fucking

00:26:38.150 --> 00:26:40.250
phone calls with David Goggins where he talks

00:26:40.250 --> 00:26:42.369
you into things. Okay. Can I just talk about

00:26:42.369 --> 00:26:46.019
that for a second? Okay. Okay. So this is why

00:26:46.019 --> 00:26:49.339
you've told me before not to read comments, but

00:26:49.339 --> 00:26:54.079
I do write comments on Instagram. And he put

00:26:54.079 --> 00:26:57.680
a story out, I think, yesterday saying that he's

00:26:57.680 --> 00:27:01.359
doing the 48 -mile challenge again, 4x4x48, where

00:27:01.359 --> 00:27:04.140
you run four miles every four hours. And like

00:27:04.140 --> 00:27:09.960
a fucking idiot, I commented. I thought, like,

00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:11.819
nobody would know. I could just, like, I said,

00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:15.450
I'm in. I wrote I'm in, and I thought I would

00:27:15.450 --> 00:27:18.109
get positive, and then people would be like,

00:27:18.170 --> 00:27:20.769
oh, cool, talk to me about it, and I could do

00:27:20.769 --> 00:27:24.349
it peacefully at home. So it's March 5th, I think,

00:27:24.349 --> 00:27:26.509
is when he's doing it, which is nice. He announced

00:27:26.509 --> 00:27:31.269
it down the line a little bit. He calls me within

00:27:31.269 --> 00:27:37.049
seconds of me posting that. He's like, Lex, good

00:27:37.049 --> 00:27:39.349
to hear from you. Yeah, what's up, brother? Stay

00:27:39.349 --> 00:27:43.940
hard. I'm in. There you are. Oh, my God. Yeah.

00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:48.599
Then he calls, and he's like. Let me hear his

00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:50.720
video. Let me hear what he says. Start it from

00:27:50.720 --> 00:27:55.160
the beginning. All right. That time of year again,

00:27:55.359 --> 00:27:59.900
the second annual 4x4x48. For some of you who

00:27:59.900 --> 00:28:03.039
don't know what that is, basically you run four

00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:07.990
miles every four hours for 48 hours. Some of

00:28:07.990 --> 00:28:10.289
you out here don't like running, can't run, you

00:28:10.289 --> 00:28:14.150
have bad knees, bad hips, bad ankles. Walk. Do

00:28:14.150 --> 00:28:17.150
whatever you can do, you know, in that period

00:28:17.150 --> 00:28:18.970
of time when you're supposed to be working out.

00:28:19.430 --> 00:28:22.990
So that being said, a lot of you out here did

00:28:22.990 --> 00:28:25.950
it last year. It was a huge success. Make sure

00:28:25.950 --> 00:28:28.990
that you have, you know, like logistics set up.

00:28:29.250 --> 00:28:30.829
There's going to be times at night when you're

00:28:30.829 --> 00:28:32.769
running at 4 o 'clock, you know, in the morning,

00:28:32.950 --> 00:28:36.470
midnight, different times, you know. The fucking

00:28:36.470 --> 00:28:38.849
boogeyman comes out at nighttime. So make sure

00:28:38.849 --> 00:28:42.329
that you have, you know, safety parameters in

00:28:42.329 --> 00:28:45.450
place. Run with somebody. Do whatever the fuck

00:28:45.450 --> 00:28:47.609
you have to do to keep yourself safe. Just like

00:28:47.609 --> 00:28:52.849
last year. All right. That said, this year I

00:28:52.849 --> 00:28:55.369
want to give away some items. And I've been talking

00:28:55.369 --> 00:28:57.789
about a lot more. But I have some, you know,

00:28:57.789 --> 00:29:00.549
new shorts in stock. So this year I'm doing tons

00:29:00.549 --> 00:29:03.849
of giveaways for those of you who go above and

00:29:03.849 --> 00:29:06.960
beyond. And what that means is some people last

00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:09.420
year raised thousands of dollars. This is all

00:29:09.420 --> 00:29:13.440
for charity. Tons of people got tons of people

00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:18.359
involved in the 4x4x48. Several things they did.

00:29:18.420 --> 00:29:21.319
Outside the box thinking to raise awareness for

00:29:21.319 --> 00:29:24.539
their causes, their charities. Raise awareness

00:29:24.539 --> 00:29:27.200
for fitness. Whatever it was, it was great to

00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:29.160
see that. Last year I had nothing to give away.

00:29:29.500 --> 00:29:31.779
I just saw these amazing stories. I was being

00:29:31.779 --> 00:29:34.279
tagged in amazing stories. Didn't have anything

00:29:34.279 --> 00:29:36.559
to give away. This year, that's a different fucking

00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:38.940
story. I have a lot of things to give away. This

00:29:38.940 --> 00:29:40.880
is like the nice version of Deogaga. It's the

00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:42.759
thoughtful version. This one here is one of them.

00:29:43.140 --> 00:29:46.880
I think it's taking souls down the back. I also

00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:48.420
have this shirt right here I'll be giving away.

00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:56.539
This is a new Stay Hard shirt. Okay. So the thing

00:29:56.539 --> 00:29:58.480
is, he's like, why don't you come down and we'll

00:29:58.480 --> 00:30:01.819
do it together? So him and I are going to do

00:30:01.819 --> 00:30:03.279
it together. You're going to do it in Vegas?

00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:06.119
Yeah. Oh, Jesus Christ. So you're going to stay

00:30:06.119 --> 00:30:08.299
for two days with him in Vegas? Yeah, with him.

00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:12.880
But this is not like... I feel like that's not...

00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:15.480
It sounds like fun, but that's not a good idea.

00:30:15.619 --> 00:30:17.579
That's not a good idea. Trust me on it. Because

00:30:17.579 --> 00:30:20.359
you're not sleeping. So it's 48 hours of no sleep

00:30:20.359 --> 00:30:23.720
with David Goggins alone. Plus, he says we're

00:30:23.720 --> 00:30:26.039
going to do a bunch of other crazy shit. Like

00:30:26.039 --> 00:30:30.690
extra shit. And then he suggested that... the

00:30:30.690 --> 00:30:33.029
kind of shit that would break me. I was like,

00:30:33.049 --> 00:30:37.230
all right. Have you ever thought about joining

00:30:37.230 --> 00:30:39.910
the Navy SEALs? No. I do not want to join the

00:30:39.910 --> 00:30:41.890
Navy SEALs. I'm talking into it. Are you going

00:30:41.890 --> 00:30:44.210
to carry the boat? Who's going to carry the boat?

00:30:44.430 --> 00:30:46.670
I want to be in the boat. I don't want to carry

00:30:46.670 --> 00:30:50.930
the boat. But that said, listen, it's all fun.

00:30:51.049 --> 00:30:55.269
It's pretty easy. 48 miles is rough. That's why

00:30:55.269 --> 00:30:57.650
you can't learn that machine. What do you mean?

00:30:58.410 --> 00:31:00.569
that electronic music machine. That's why you

00:31:00.569 --> 00:31:03.769
don't have any fucking time. But that, that,

00:31:03.910 --> 00:31:05.950
those are the demons you have to face that I'll

00:31:05.950 --> 00:31:07.430
be thinking about that electronic machine the

00:31:07.430 --> 00:31:10.329
whole time I'm running with them. No, but you

00:31:10.329 --> 00:31:12.829
know, it's a good test. It's a good test of like

00:31:12.829 --> 00:31:14.970
going to the limit. It's the thing he talks about,

00:31:15.009 --> 00:31:16.910
right? Whatever, whatever that percent is, 10%,

00:31:16.910 --> 00:31:20.970
40%, the, that, you know, just take your mind

00:31:20.970 --> 00:31:23.089
to the limit and push further. And he's a good

00:31:23.089 --> 00:31:25.569
person to deal with. How are your knees? Good.

00:31:25.670 --> 00:31:28.029
So I've never had trouble. You know, knock on

00:31:28.029 --> 00:31:30.329
wood, never had troubles. Really? All your jujitsu?

00:31:30.349 --> 00:31:32.789
No knee trouble? I've never been injured in jujitsu.

00:31:32.970 --> 00:31:36.109
That's amazing. Like really hard training. I

00:31:36.109 --> 00:31:38.829
think it was because of the wrestling background.

00:31:38.890 --> 00:31:42.089
I've always approached everything in training.

00:31:42.890 --> 00:31:44.910
with the following thought like how can i train

00:31:44.910 --> 00:31:46.950
really hard like twice a day how can i put in

00:31:46.950 --> 00:31:49.730
a three hour four hour sessions of training with

00:31:49.730 --> 00:31:52.789
killers without getting injured so don't you

00:31:52.789 --> 00:31:55.250
know make sure there's a strong frames like just

00:31:55.250 --> 00:31:58.130
working on all the stabilizers making sure to

00:31:58.130 --> 00:32:00.829
not want to the ego it's like silence in the

00:32:00.829 --> 00:32:04.589
ego just you know if somebody is being rough

00:32:04.589 --> 00:32:07.029
in a way or somebody's much better than me in

00:32:07.029 --> 00:32:08.809
a way that puts me in compromising positions

00:32:08.809 --> 00:32:11.849
not in terms of being submitted but in terms

00:32:11.849 --> 00:32:15.970
of just like putting pressure on some body parts

00:32:15.970 --> 00:32:18.430
that's going to break me like i can tell like

00:32:18.430 --> 00:32:22.190
it'll lead to injuries i'll like i'll not have

00:32:22.190 --> 00:32:24.529
my ego and try to beat them i'll i'll flow with

00:32:24.529 --> 00:32:28.289
it more and just making sure i put in the miles

00:32:28.289 --> 00:32:32.839
versus like uh the wins the individual wins along

00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:35.420
the way and so maximizing that allowed me to

00:32:35.420 --> 00:32:37.920
uh just be lucky honestly because you can be

00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:41.160
just unlucky yeah i did one of my worst injuries

00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:44.680
was unlucky one of my acl snaps just was uh working

00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:46.660
out with a guy who's like really cool easy to

00:32:46.660 --> 00:32:50.359
work out with training uh we were i was uh passing

00:32:50.359 --> 00:32:53.200
his guard i was in half guard and uh my leg was

00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:57.009
sideways And he did a lockdown sideways. So,

00:32:57.130 --> 00:32:59.410
you know, lockdown normally extends you out this

00:32:59.410 --> 00:33:02.349
way, but it went that way. Right. So it was like

00:33:02.349 --> 00:33:05.910
he like locked me out that way. Yeah. And it

00:33:05.910 --> 00:33:08.690
just popped because I was trying. It was really

00:33:08.690 --> 00:33:13.369
wasn't a wise position to be in. Right. Especially

00:33:13.369 --> 00:33:16.490
with the gi. Because there's no friction. There's

00:33:16.490 --> 00:33:18.309
too much friction, rather. I couldn't turn my

00:33:18.309 --> 00:33:20.529
knee over and slip out of it. I really should

00:33:20.529 --> 00:33:22.670
have gotten myself in a better position and just

00:33:22.670 --> 00:33:25.309
used my shin and instep and tried to push my

00:33:25.309 --> 00:33:27.349
way out or tried some other methods to get out

00:33:27.349 --> 00:33:30.029
of the half guard. But I tried to sit sideways

00:33:30.029 --> 00:33:32.609
and I was going to just try to... And he extended

00:33:32.609 --> 00:33:35.269
his leg and I just... It was like a carrot. It

00:33:35.269 --> 00:33:37.289
didn't even hurt. It was crazy. I was like, ah!

00:33:37.809 --> 00:33:39.829
And then he goes, you okay? I'm like, I think

00:33:39.829 --> 00:33:41.809
so. Hold on a second. And then I moved around

00:33:41.809 --> 00:33:43.710
a little. I'm like, it doesn't even hurt. But

00:33:43.710 --> 00:33:46.289
it just... pop the ligament off yeah i think

00:33:46.289 --> 00:33:48.490
the lockdown is a really perfect position like

00:33:48.490 --> 00:33:50.170
there's very few people in this world that can

00:33:50.170 --> 00:33:52.529
put me in lockdown because i'm so afraid of that

00:33:52.529 --> 00:33:55.750
position because of the injury so like i'm very

00:33:55.750 --> 00:33:57.789
cautious and if they do i'm not this isn't like

00:33:57.789 --> 00:34:00.190
a challenge sorry for me sounds like that obviously

00:34:00.190 --> 00:34:02.569
there's a million people way better than me and

00:34:02.569 --> 00:34:04.269
they put they can put me in lockdown but i'm

00:34:04.269 --> 00:34:07.529
very careful to avoid that position because i

00:34:07.529 --> 00:34:11.349
know how compromising it can put the the knee

00:34:11.349 --> 00:34:15.619
in the knee yeah the And funny enough, as you

00:34:15.619 --> 00:34:18.619
know, like usually the better the person, the

00:34:18.619 --> 00:34:21.900
more you can trust them to do the lockdown in

00:34:21.900 --> 00:34:25.800
a way that, so like certainly the more, you know,

00:34:25.820 --> 00:34:29.139
you judge people. I try not to judge people in

00:34:29.139 --> 00:34:30.840
regular life, but in jiu -jitsu, I'll judge them

00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:33.679
harshly in a sense. I'll pick people who are

00:34:33.679 --> 00:34:38.699
not. don't move in sudden ways that are just

00:34:38.699 --> 00:34:42.199
unexpected. So the kind of people I love training

00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:44.199
hard with are the people who are exceptionally

00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:47.260
good, but they move in ways that are like...

00:34:47.260 --> 00:34:51.760
They flow. They flow, but are not like the Ben

00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:55.199
Askrens of the world that are funky, that are

00:34:55.199 --> 00:35:01.630
creative. Names are slipping my mind of all the

00:35:01.630 --> 00:35:03.469
different jiu -jitsu people who are super creative.

00:35:03.590 --> 00:35:05.289
They kind of surprise you with their creativity.

00:35:05.590 --> 00:35:09.949
I like, like, Haja Gracie style. You'd hate rolling

00:35:09.949 --> 00:35:13.269
with Eddie Bravo, then. It puts you in some weird

00:35:13.269 --> 00:35:16.530
spots. Right, but I wouldn't have an ego. There's,

00:35:16.530 --> 00:35:18.150
like, hard training where you're trying to win

00:35:18.150 --> 00:35:20.469
and trying to improve, and there's training where

00:35:20.469 --> 00:35:22.329
you're, like, learning from each other. Right.

00:35:22.750 --> 00:35:26.070
With him, I mean, he's already, like... probably

00:35:26.070 --> 00:35:27.929
several words of magnitude better than me, so

00:35:27.929 --> 00:35:30.630
there's no reason for me to try to beat him.

00:35:31.150 --> 00:35:34.429
But lockdown is a good example of a position

00:35:34.429 --> 00:35:38.210
that kind of scares me in terms of just the pressure

00:35:38.210 --> 00:35:41.670
it puts on the knees. Yeah, he's got a very unusual

00:35:41.670 --> 00:35:44.829
game, too. His students have a very unusual game,

00:35:44.909 --> 00:35:48.909
like Richie Martinez, Boogeyman, has this crazy

00:35:48.909 --> 00:35:52.329
guard game. And if you're not accustomed to someone

00:35:52.329 --> 00:35:54.610
who's got that level of flexibility, I've talked

00:35:54.610 --> 00:35:56.170
about Richie before, too, because he comes from

00:35:56.170 --> 00:35:59.889
a weird background. He's a breakdancer. And because

00:35:59.889 --> 00:36:02.190
of that breakdancing, he has incredible body

00:36:02.190 --> 00:36:05.170
control. You know, breakdancers, people that

00:36:05.170 --> 00:36:07.510
think of breakdancers, they don't necessarily

00:36:07.510 --> 00:36:09.730
equate it with, like, these incredibly athletic

00:36:09.730 --> 00:36:12.570
people. But, my God, the breakdancers of today.

00:36:12.630 --> 00:36:16.889
Follow Stance Elements on Instagram. Break Dancer?

00:36:17.010 --> 00:36:19.929
Yeah. No, it's a page that's dedicated to break

00:36:19.929 --> 00:36:22.730
dancing. It is wild. We played one the other

00:36:22.730 --> 00:36:24.329
night with Jordan Burroughs because Jordan Burroughs

00:36:24.329 --> 00:36:25.909
is kind of making fun of break dancing. I'm like,

00:36:25.969 --> 00:36:30.550
dude, watch this. And there's this guy. I forget

00:36:30.550 --> 00:36:32.869
his name. I forget the guy's name. The craziest

00:36:32.869 --> 00:36:39.489
guy, his name is. Yeah, that's guy. That's B

00:36:39.489 --> 00:36:42.090
-Boy Tata. As a Russian, I approve of the tracksuit.

00:36:42.289 --> 00:36:44.510
You got to see this guy. Breakdance, though.

00:36:44.650 --> 00:36:46.630
Like, the shit that he does. If you can go to

00:36:46.630 --> 00:36:48.349
stance element, well, let's see what he does

00:36:48.349 --> 00:36:51.989
here. Look at this. What the fuck? He's on one

00:36:51.989 --> 00:36:54.909
hand, bouncing around like he weighs two pounds.

00:36:55.030 --> 00:36:57.769
And he's a big guy. He's a big athletic guy.

00:36:58.090 --> 00:37:02.170
And he's doing freakish shit, man. Timing, balance,

00:37:02.670 --> 00:37:04.809
the general body awareness. It's incredible.

00:37:04.949 --> 00:37:07.329
All of it, but the strength. His feet don't even

00:37:07.329 --> 00:37:09.050
touch the ground. Imagine how good that guy would

00:37:09.050 --> 00:37:11.690
be good at jiu -jitsu or mixed martial arts.

00:37:11.730 --> 00:37:15.949
Oh, without a doubt. But he's also, like, incredibly

00:37:15.949 --> 00:37:19.489
powerful. Like, the Stance Elements video, go

00:37:19.489 --> 00:37:21.510
to the Stance Elements page. Because there's

00:37:21.510 --> 00:37:27.190
a video of him in, oh, let's look at us. That's

00:37:27.190 --> 00:37:29.829
hilarious. If you see the Stance Elements page,

00:37:29.929 --> 00:37:33.210
though, scroll down to the video of him with,

00:37:33.389 --> 00:37:38.849
I think he's got, I think he's got a red tracksuit

00:37:38.849 --> 00:37:43.449
on there, too. No. They post a lot of stuff.

00:37:44.349 --> 00:37:47.190
There it is right there. Watch this. Just watch

00:37:47.190 --> 00:37:52.110
this. Look at that. What in the hell? I mean,

00:37:52.130 --> 00:37:55.070
dude. And there's a lot of creativity in that,

00:37:55.110 --> 00:37:59.510
too. Gymnasts have athleticism that's also incredible

00:37:59.510 --> 00:38:02.550
for martial arts, but this has just creativity.

00:38:03.210 --> 00:38:04.769
And he's doing it to music, and he's dancing

00:38:04.769 --> 00:38:06.690
to music. I mean, it's phenomenal. There's another

00:38:06.690 --> 00:38:09.690
guy called B -Boy Pocket Kim. Have you ever seen

00:38:09.690 --> 00:38:14.820
that guy? He doesn't even seem real. Like, literally

00:38:14.820 --> 00:38:18.219
doesn't seem real. The guy's abilities, that's

00:38:18.219 --> 00:38:20.280
him in the upper right -hand corner, Jamie. Click

00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:23.800
on that. Watch this dude, because this literally

00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:29.820
does not seem real. Look at that. What the fuck,

00:38:29.860 --> 00:38:34.329
man? What the hell? He's amazing. What's that

00:38:34.329 --> 00:38:36.269
called? Oh, look at this. It's me talking about

00:38:36.269 --> 00:38:39.070
him. I say he's the freak of all freaks. That's

00:38:39.070 --> 00:38:41.449
hilarious. But he really is. I mean, he's incredible.

00:38:41.570 --> 00:38:42.949
And that other guy, B -Boy Tata, is amazing.

00:38:43.449 --> 00:38:47.530
That's you. Funny. That's so funny. What's that

00:38:47.530 --> 00:38:49.750
style called where you're doing like a robot

00:38:49.750 --> 00:38:53.050
style, like pop lock type situation where you're...

00:38:53.050 --> 00:38:56.050
It's not breakdancing. It's like... I think it's

00:38:56.050 --> 00:38:58.869
called pop locking. No? No, like where you're...

00:38:59.539 --> 00:39:01.739
deforming your body in different ways. It's kind

00:39:01.739 --> 00:39:04.519
of like a robot dance, but on steroids. Do you

00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:06.360
know what I'm talking about? You're making your

00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:08.900
body flow in all different kinds of... I don't

00:39:08.900 --> 00:39:11.199
want to say it's hyphy, but I think it's called

00:39:11.199 --> 00:39:14.019
hyphy. And Stylebender does... Hyphy? Yeah, it's

00:39:14.019 --> 00:39:18.960
H -Y -P -H -Y. Hyphy. Let's see if I... But I

00:39:18.960 --> 00:39:24.539
think breakdancing is a better overall body awareness

00:39:24.539 --> 00:39:29.739
muscle activity for fighting. Definitely. Well,

00:39:29.739 --> 00:39:34.340
a guy like that, a guy like whether it's Kim,

00:39:35.139 --> 00:39:38.340
B -Boy Pocket Kim, or whether it's B -Boy Tata,

00:39:38.460 --> 00:39:41.360
those guys, those guys can do anything. You'd

00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:42.940
have to just show them the moves. Whether it's

00:39:42.940 --> 00:39:45.980
kickboxing or jiu -jitsu, their body control

00:39:45.980 --> 00:39:48.739
is just incredible. The flexibility is incredible.

00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:51.960
The explosiveness and the control. When that

00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:54.719
guy is jumping up and down on one hand, you have

00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:57.019
to be incredibly strong. They're a style bender.

00:39:57.610 --> 00:40:01.650
Yeah, that kind of stuff. Is this it? Yep. This

00:40:01.650 --> 00:40:04.909
is just overall body awareness and dance skills.

00:40:05.090 --> 00:40:09.550
Look at that. Look at him getting after it. He's

00:40:09.550 --> 00:40:12.590
going to fight Jan Blachowicz for the light heavyweight

00:40:12.590 --> 00:40:15.829
title. That is a very interesting fight. What

00:40:15.829 --> 00:40:18.030
do you, by the way, think about the Conor fight

00:40:18.030 --> 00:40:20.989
this weekend? I'm very excited. Unfortunately,

00:40:21.130 --> 00:40:25.190
I think I'll be getting off stage right around

00:40:25.190 --> 00:40:28.539
the time it starts. Yeah. Because we're doing

00:40:28.539 --> 00:40:32.559
these shows. Dave Chappelle versus Conor McGregor.

00:40:32.679 --> 00:40:35.519
Well, the problem is we picked a bunch of dates.

00:40:35.679 --> 00:40:39.400
And Dave does some dates with music. And he's

00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:41.860
like, which dates do you want to do? So I picked

00:40:41.860 --> 00:40:45.119
these dates. And I didn't even recognize that

00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:47.659
I picked the 23rd, which is the day of the fight.

00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:50.980
It's all right. Who do you got? I do not know.

00:40:51.139 --> 00:40:54.699
I do not know. Always. I do not know. I think

00:40:54.699 --> 00:40:57.630
that Dustin has gotten far better. and Dustin

00:40:57.630 --> 00:41:03.309
is much more durable at 155 pounds. But that

00:41:03.309 --> 00:41:06.190
said, Michael Johnson KO'd him at 155 pounds.

00:41:07.110 --> 00:41:09.070
Michael Johnson hits very hard, and he caught

00:41:09.070 --> 00:41:11.250
him with a perfect shot that could legitimately

00:41:11.250 --> 00:41:16.190
knock out most 155 -pounders. But he KO'd Justin

00:41:16.190 --> 00:41:20.250
Gaethje. He beat Max Holloway, which, especially

00:41:20.250 --> 00:41:21.849
when you look at Max Holloway's performance this

00:41:21.849 --> 00:41:23.250
weekend. That was a crazy, incredible performance

00:41:23.250 --> 00:41:24.789
last weekend. Maybe the best performance I've

00:41:24.789 --> 00:41:27.559
ever seen. Against a guy who, in Calvin Caner,

00:41:27.579 --> 00:41:31.019
is just a straight -up assassin. Yeah, those

00:41:31.019 --> 00:41:33.739
numbers were crazy. I saw that you put up the

00:41:33.739 --> 00:41:36.780
numbers. When I watched that fight, it didn't

00:41:36.780 --> 00:41:39.260
feel like that dominating of a performance, as

00:41:39.260 --> 00:41:41.699
the numbers indicate. It was dominating, but

00:41:41.699 --> 00:41:45.219
what is it, like a record for the most? Most

00:41:45.219 --> 00:41:47.099
strikes landed ever. Here's the crazy thing.

00:41:47.139 --> 00:41:48.940
Most strikes thrown and most strikes landed.

00:41:49.039 --> 00:41:51.539
But here's the crazy thing. Most of the time

00:41:51.539 --> 00:41:53.440
when you see a lot of strikes landed, it's a

00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:55.780
ground fight. Someone's on top of the guy and

00:41:55.780 --> 00:41:57.880
beating him up and holding him down for five

00:41:57.880 --> 00:42:01.500
rounds. But with Max, it's all stand -up. He's

00:42:01.500 --> 00:42:05.260
insane. We think that Conor said that he'll knock

00:42:05.260 --> 00:42:09.500
out Poirier in the first 60 seconds. Well, he's

00:42:09.500 --> 00:42:11.340
probably putting that in Poirier's head. You've

00:42:11.340 --> 00:42:13.460
got to always think Conor's playing mind games.

00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:15.239
He's being really nice. I don't know if you saw.

00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:18.980
He's being really respectful. He's donated some

00:42:18.980 --> 00:42:21.780
money to Poirier as a charity. I'm not sure what

00:42:21.780 --> 00:42:26.659
it is. love back and forth i know it's weird

00:42:26.659 --> 00:42:29.679
it's my baby connor friendly connor is a different

00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:33.280
connor i gotta put it's the russian in me i love

00:42:33.280 --> 00:42:36.480
khabib i would i know he's a fascinating human

00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:39.719
being A fascinating human being. I hope he comes

00:42:39.719 --> 00:42:42.619
back and fights for Conor. But what if Dustin

00:42:42.619 --> 00:42:46.599
wins? Is he compelled to fight Dustin again?

00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:48.239
Because that was a close fight. That was a good

00:42:48.239 --> 00:42:50.039
fight, yeah. Yeah, listen, there was a moment

00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:52.400
in that fight where Dustin caught him in a guillotine

00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:56.000
where I was like, whoa, that is tight. Dustin

00:42:56.000 --> 00:42:58.500
has a very good guillotine, but Khabib got out

00:42:58.500 --> 00:43:01.019
of it. That's the problem with people who aren't

00:43:01.019 --> 00:43:02.920
defeated. It's like, where's the ceiling? Because

00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:08.570
maybe Khabib wasn't going. Or maybe that's how

00:43:08.570 --> 00:43:11.909
he stays undefeated. He gets that close to defeat

00:43:11.909 --> 00:43:14.010
because he's fighting world -class fighters,

00:43:14.150 --> 00:43:18.989
but his will and his ability is just enough to

00:43:18.989 --> 00:43:22.429
pop that head out and keep smashing you and eventually

00:43:22.429 --> 00:43:25.789
tap you. Yeah, but you've got to admire the man

00:43:25.789 --> 00:43:29.630
who's... So Khabib is talking about what, like...

00:43:29.869 --> 00:43:32.349
agriculture like farming mass i don't know if

00:43:32.349 --> 00:43:35.250
you were paying attention to this is he's he's

00:43:35.250 --> 00:43:38.230
talking like a businessman but a businessman

00:43:38.230 --> 00:43:42.369
not like talking about like tequila or uh like

00:43:42.369 --> 00:43:46.909
new clothing line or maybe doing a podcast or

00:43:46.909 --> 00:43:49.230
something like that i don't know he's he's talking

00:43:49.230 --> 00:43:53.110
about actually building farms and like honoring

00:43:53.110 --> 00:43:57.340
the culture of his people in the kind of way

00:43:57.340 --> 00:44:00.079
the businesses that they build honoring the the

00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:02.780
the dreams that his father had and his mom has

00:44:02.780 --> 00:44:05.739
so i mean that's pretty badass that's pretty

00:44:05.739 --> 00:44:10.079
bad but he's an amazing person good uh amazing

00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:13.079
in many ways but also complicated which is really

00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:16.340
interesting i i'd love to see how that like uh

00:44:16.340 --> 00:44:18.519
wine or vodka whatever i know he doesn't drink

00:44:18.519 --> 00:44:22.739
uh ages i wonder because he's been so so so focused

00:44:22.739 --> 00:44:27.199
on fighting You have the Bovasi Esetiev. I've

00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:29.179
talked about him before. He's from that culture.

00:44:29.679 --> 00:44:32.079
They became more and more philosophical and poetic

00:44:32.079 --> 00:44:35.920
and so on. I think Khabib will be a good guest

00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:40.440
on this podcast in like 20 years. Well, his English

00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:42.260
is much better now. Yeah, it's really good. I

00:44:42.260 --> 00:44:45.440
would have him on any time he wants. We first

00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:47.639
talked about it a long time ago, but he was struggling

00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:49.440
with his English. But his English is excellent

00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:52.670
now. He can talk. Really good. I'm going to smash

00:44:52.670 --> 00:44:57.449
your boy. His English is so developed around

00:44:57.449 --> 00:45:01.389
talking a little bit of trash in MMA. I don't

00:45:01.389 --> 00:45:03.010
know how good his English is developed in terms

00:45:03.010 --> 00:45:05.389
of being philosophical for three hours in a podcast

00:45:05.389 --> 00:45:08.070
or thoughtful about life. Oh, I think he'd be

00:45:08.070 --> 00:45:11.929
fine. I think he'd be fine. I've seen him speak

00:45:11.929 --> 00:45:14.389
in interviews. I think he's fine. Could be if

00:45:14.389 --> 00:45:17.139
you need a translator. My Russian is pretty good.

00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:18.579
We got yourself a Russian right here. I mean,

00:45:18.599 --> 00:45:22.619
dude, I had Yoel Romero on with Joey Diaz. With

00:45:22.619 --> 00:45:25.500
Joey Diaz. That worked out. That was incredible

00:45:25.500 --> 00:45:29.780
because his English is pretty good still. Not

00:45:29.780 --> 00:45:33.860
bad. He can still talk. And Joey adding the stories,

00:45:34.059 --> 00:45:36.619
that's a fascinating coupling. That's one of

00:45:36.619 --> 00:45:38.500
my favorite conversations, the going back and

00:45:38.500 --> 00:45:40.940
forth. Very interesting. It's music. Yeah, well,

00:45:41.019 --> 00:45:43.179
you know, they know so much about that Cuban

00:45:43.179 --> 00:45:46.719
culture, too. They know so much about each other.

00:45:47.219 --> 00:45:50.300
Yeah, I think about the translation. He did it

00:45:50.300 --> 00:45:53.260
masterfully. He really did, yeah. No, Joey speaks

00:45:53.260 --> 00:45:57.579
fluent. Right. Oh, both languages. Yeah. Yeah,

00:45:58.380 --> 00:46:01.960
I think about that with obviously Russian. So

00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:05.820
I have the unique possibility to speak somewhat

00:46:05.820 --> 00:46:10.260
English and Russian pretty well. It's like, who

00:46:10.260 --> 00:46:14.380
can I be a Joey Diaz for? Khabib? Well, Khabib

00:46:14.380 --> 00:46:16.900
is already pretty good. Oh, yeah. I mean, here,

00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:20.340
let me do the pitch. Hi, Khabib. If you ever

00:46:20.340 --> 00:46:22.039
want to come on the Joe Rogan experience and

00:46:22.039 --> 00:46:25.019
need a translator. No. I'd love to do it. I'd

00:46:25.019 --> 00:46:26.440
love to just sit silently and translate. I don't

00:46:26.440 --> 00:46:27.820
think he needs a translator, though. He doesn't.

00:46:27.820 --> 00:46:30.860
That's the problem. Stop learning English. Hello,

00:46:30.860 --> 00:46:36.420
you. Yeah, exactly. Yoel, his English is much

00:46:36.420 --> 00:46:43.289
more. It's much more limited. Yeah. But it also

00:46:43.289 --> 00:46:45.289
has an art to it as well. Oh, yeah. Just the

00:46:45.289 --> 00:46:47.550
simplicity of it. You know, just like Joey Diaz,

00:46:47.670 --> 00:46:50.429
who, like, mispronounces half the things he says.

00:46:51.650 --> 00:46:53.829
He does it on purpose, though. He does it, okay.

00:46:53.869 --> 00:46:55.929
Kind of, sort of. He does it, hopefully. He calls

00:46:55.929 --> 00:47:02.690
Khabib, Kala -Beeb. Yeah. Yeah. But the result,

00:47:02.889 --> 00:47:07.809
like, with Yoel is, like, it's almost a caricature

00:47:07.809 --> 00:47:12.820
of the... Like the superhero fighter, right?

00:47:12.900 --> 00:47:16.260
Yeah. He's built like, he probably has one of

00:47:16.260 --> 00:47:21.400
the most intimidating builds in mixed martial

00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:25.699
arts. You think so? Well, who else? Yoel. Yoel's

00:47:25.699 --> 00:47:29.219
got the most intimidating build, for sure. Ever.

00:47:29.380 --> 00:47:32.179
Well, then there's the heavyweights, right? Francis

00:47:32.179 --> 00:47:34.300
Ngannou. Francis Ngannou, right. He's just all

00:47:34.300 --> 00:47:38.760
around terrifying. Yeah. Yeah. But Yoel doesn't

00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:40.400
even look like a real person when you meet him.

00:47:41.239 --> 00:47:43.980
He just doesn't look real. He's so big, it doesn't

00:47:43.980 --> 00:47:45.659
look real. He's apparently going to fight Light

00:47:45.659 --> 00:47:48.619
Heavyweight in Bellator. What's Light Heavyweight?

00:47:48.659 --> 00:47:51.099
205. 205, yeah. I think he's going to move up

00:47:51.099 --> 00:47:55.440
to 205. He's so big. The struggle to get to 185

00:47:55.440 --> 00:47:59.139
at his age, I believe he's 44 now, which is crazy.

00:47:59.920 --> 00:48:04.570
He's just completely shredded at 44. Full six

00:48:04.570 --> 00:48:08.829
-pack, no body fat. Looks like a Greek god. Doesn't

00:48:08.829 --> 00:48:11.150
look like he's aged a day in all the years he's

00:48:11.150 --> 00:48:14.250
been fighting. I don't think he's ever talked

00:48:14.250 --> 00:48:16.369
about diet or anything like that, right? Whatever!

00:48:16.889 --> 00:48:21.170
Yeah, exactly. I eat Cuba food! I mean, I don't

00:48:21.170 --> 00:48:22.949
know what he eats, but he's got to be eating

00:48:22.949 --> 00:48:25.289
hard work. He's got to be eating fairly clean.

00:48:25.510 --> 00:48:29.610
Look at him. He's in a cryo chamber, laughing

00:48:29.610 --> 00:48:32.579
and smiling. I've never seen that guy. He's like

00:48:32.579 --> 00:48:35.980
the polar opposite of me. He's always happy.

00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:40.119
Yeah. Yeah, he's always happy and smiling. And

00:48:40.119 --> 00:48:43.079
I'm glad you... Another guy who's shredded is

00:48:43.079 --> 00:48:46.280
Jordan Burroughs. I'm glad you had him on here.

00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:48.239
Oh, he was amazing. He's a special, special human.

00:48:48.579 --> 00:48:52.099
Well, when you're that kind of an athlete and

00:48:52.099 --> 00:48:55.800
also a wrestler, those guys, they don't get a

00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:57.800
lot of accolades. They don't get a lot of press.

00:48:58.079 --> 00:49:01.239
They don't get... the attention of the media,

00:49:01.400 --> 00:49:04.460
of the love of the crowds. It's a different world.

00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:08.400
They do it for the love of wrestling and the

00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:11.099
love of competing in one of the most difficult

00:49:11.099 --> 00:49:15.320
physical pursuits known to man. Yeah, that makes

00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:17.920
it, just like he was saying, it makes it more,

00:49:18.159 --> 00:49:21.239
I don't know, money almost gets in the way. I

00:49:21.239 --> 00:49:24.199
know it's a horrible thing to say. People should

00:49:24.199 --> 00:49:26.360
get paid. I know what you're saying, though.

00:49:26.360 --> 00:49:29.159
But when you don't get paid, which is what makes

00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:34.119
Olympics special, I think you don't get, especially

00:49:34.119 --> 00:49:37.039
in the early journey, you don't get paid at all

00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:39.539
or much. It makes it special. It makes it so

00:49:39.539 --> 00:49:41.519
pure about the sport. And wrestling represents

00:49:41.519 --> 00:49:47.599
that amazingly well. I talked to Jordan Burrows.

00:49:47.619 --> 00:49:51.059
He's this badass new talent. I talked to Dan

00:49:51.059 --> 00:49:52.400
Gable. I don't know if you know who that is.

00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:55.909
Sure, of course. They offered him up for the

00:49:55.909 --> 00:49:58.110
podcast. I would love to have him on, but I want

00:49:58.110 --> 00:50:00.510
to do it in person. Did you do it remotely? No,

00:50:00.570 --> 00:50:03.730
in person. I flew down to Iowa. Oh, wow. I stayed

00:50:03.730 --> 00:50:06.750
with him. Is that up yet? Yeah, I just uploaded.

00:50:07.289 --> 00:50:12.269
Today? No, like a month ago. Oh, okay. I actually

00:50:12.269 --> 00:50:17.590
re -uploaded it because I was so sad. I never

00:50:17.590 --> 00:50:20.130
care about views or listens and so on, so it's

00:50:20.130 --> 00:50:22.789
good that we're mentioning it. Please go there.

00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:25.880
check out dan gable because i was so sad that

00:50:25.880 --> 00:50:28.519
it only got not much views relative to others

00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:30.619
and i was like this is one of the most special

00:50:30.619 --> 00:50:33.320
humans in the world yeah his story is crazy too

00:50:33.320 --> 00:50:36.460
about how he became that dedicated and focused

00:50:36.460 --> 00:50:38.820
when his sister was killed when he was 15. yeah

00:50:38.820 --> 00:50:42.719
raped and killed and it was just uh so the rest

00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:45.619
his wrestling brought the family together and

00:50:45.619 --> 00:50:48.019
just I mean, you couldn't write a better script

00:50:48.019 --> 00:50:52.139
because he went undefeated until his last match

00:50:52.139 --> 00:50:55.559
in college. And he lost his last match in college

00:50:55.559 --> 00:50:57.679
against the person he should have beat because

00:50:57.679 --> 00:51:00.739
he took a lot of stuff, you know. He let himself

00:51:00.739 --> 00:51:03.920
get distracted. And, of course, a guy who's never

00:51:03.920 --> 00:51:08.019
lost losing, that, like, that does something

00:51:08.019 --> 00:51:10.780
to you. That he turned another, he went to another

00:51:10.780 --> 00:51:14.519
level. And then he won the Olympic gold medal.

00:51:15.610 --> 00:51:18.389
without letting up a single point, just domination.

00:51:19.170 --> 00:51:22.969
And then coaching -wise, he then went to Iowa

00:51:22.969 --> 00:51:27.210
and coached, I think he's the most winningest

00:51:27.210 --> 00:51:30.989
coach in NCAA history, or like up there, and

00:51:30.989 --> 00:51:33.929
just taught this whole culture of just domination,

00:51:34.010 --> 00:51:37.889
which is tough in this new, I mean, he struggles

00:51:37.889 --> 00:51:40.210
with this now. Obviously, he has daughters and

00:51:40.210 --> 00:51:42.610
family, so he's softened up a little bit. There's

00:51:42.610 --> 00:51:44.750
still a madman in there. He has a shed, and he

00:51:44.750 --> 00:51:46.929
goes in the shed, and there's demons in there.

00:51:47.409 --> 00:51:49.570
He works out in the shed, right? Yeah. Still,

00:51:49.690 --> 00:51:51.829
he has videos of it. It's crazy. Even as an older

00:51:51.829 --> 00:51:54.789
man. He doesn't. Trains very hard. I think they

00:51:54.789 --> 00:51:57.489
build the shed so he's like, in order to maintain

00:51:57.489 --> 00:52:00.769
my marriage, I have to separate those two worlds.

00:52:00.989 --> 00:52:04.309
I think he's got fake hips and fake knees now.

00:52:04.309 --> 00:52:08.059
Fake everything. Yeah. Shoulders as well? I don't

00:52:08.059 --> 00:52:11.199
know about the shoulders, but I love his... What

00:52:11.199 --> 00:52:17.659
was that? Here he goes. This is his shed gym.

00:52:20.099 --> 00:52:23.199
There he is. Yeah, I mean, he's all busted up,

00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:27.500
and he still trains very hard. But he's got hip

00:52:27.500 --> 00:52:29.699
replacements. I think he's got knee replacements

00:52:29.699 --> 00:52:33.139
as well. Did you ask him about those? No, not

00:52:33.139 --> 00:52:38.920
about those. I was so focused on kind of his

00:52:38.920 --> 00:52:42.840
mindset. He's basically David Goggins before

00:52:42.840 --> 00:52:46.900
David Goggins, which is just this mindset. I

00:52:46.900 --> 00:52:48.760
remember he said that, I've always wanted to

00:52:48.760 --> 00:52:51.360
train so hard that they would have to carry me

00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:54.840
off, you know, like be near death. They would

00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:56.820
have to carry me off the mat. And he's never

00:52:56.820 --> 00:53:00.320
succeeded. And he was proud of his daughter because

00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:03.820
she's a swimmer. And she passed out during a

00:53:03.820 --> 00:53:06.119
swim meet in the pool. And he was proud of her

00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:11.119
that she succeeded where her father failed. Jesus

00:53:11.119 --> 00:53:14.519
Christ. So that drive, I mean, what can you say

00:53:14.519 --> 00:53:17.159
about that? The thing is, I don't know how often

00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:19.659
you're in the Midwest, in like that kind of Midwest.

00:53:20.860 --> 00:53:23.639
So I also saw Tom Brands, who is the current

00:53:23.639 --> 00:53:26.179
Iowa coach. I spent a day with him. I spent a

00:53:26.179 --> 00:53:32.070
day with Dan Gable. I wanted to stay there forever.

00:53:32.530 --> 00:53:36.150
The family feeling. Yeah. Just the love. Like,

00:53:36.150 --> 00:53:39.030
it's a very, you know, we're talking about California

00:53:39.030 --> 00:53:41.929
with the homeless and all. You forget how, like,

00:53:41.929 --> 00:53:46.090
good humans can be to each other. Like, everybody

00:53:46.090 --> 00:53:49.170
in, like, New York or even Boston or California,

00:53:49.289 --> 00:53:51.170
they're busy. They got a thing going on. They

00:53:51.170 --> 00:53:53.210
go to the next thing and so on. Here, they're

00:53:53.210 --> 00:53:55.550
just set back. They don't know who the hell I

00:53:55.550 --> 00:53:58.679
am. So this was recorded two years ago. I was,

00:53:58.699 --> 00:54:02.000
like, sitting on it. I had demons around it,

00:54:02.039 --> 00:54:04.840
okay? What kind of demons were on it? I felt

00:54:04.840 --> 00:54:09.019
like I didn't do as good of a conversation as

00:54:09.019 --> 00:54:12.079
I could have. I felt like I failed one of my

00:54:12.079 --> 00:54:16.639
heroes. I don't know. I don't know. So, whatever.

00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:26.130
What made you change your mind? A bunch of the

00:54:26.130 --> 00:54:29.250
Iowa folks nonstop messaging me. Where the fuck

00:54:29.250 --> 00:54:33.469
is the video? Stop being a little bitch. He was

00:54:33.469 --> 00:54:40.170
really nice to me. There's both a love in that

00:54:40.170 --> 00:54:43.750
family atmosphere and a love within the focus

00:54:43.750 --> 00:54:46.769
that they've had. For so many years, this is

00:54:46.769 --> 00:54:51.050
one of the magical things. that made me even

00:54:51.050 --> 00:54:52.789
further believe that family can be beneficial

00:54:52.789 --> 00:54:58.449
for success is that they're all in on this effort

00:54:58.449 --> 00:55:01.570
that Dan had to win the Olympic gold, to just

00:55:01.570 --> 00:55:03.630
succeed as a wrestling coach, just his whole

00:55:03.630 --> 00:55:05.909
life. They get it. And they love him for it.

00:55:06.030 --> 00:55:07.909
And they kind of embrace it. And there's like

00:55:07.909 --> 00:55:10.230
this family atmosphere. Like what they did at

00:55:10.230 --> 00:55:13.469
Tom Brands is the same. Olympic gold medalist

00:55:13.469 --> 00:55:16.550
too, coach of Iowa. Another guy who's just insane.

00:55:17.849 --> 00:55:20.469
We sat down on the couch and just watched these

00:55:20.469 --> 00:55:24.610
documentaries about people being badasses, like

00:55:24.610 --> 00:55:27.789
mountain climbing, just overcoming shit, as a

00:55:27.789 --> 00:55:30.469
family thing, as a family all together. And they've

00:55:30.469 --> 00:55:34.030
invited me like a nobody. And I don't know. I've

00:55:34.030 --> 00:55:37.010
never felt that before and since, I think, because

00:55:37.010 --> 00:55:39.570
I don't go out of the Midwest very much. And

00:55:39.570 --> 00:55:41.670
it just felt like home. There's something to

00:55:41.670 --> 00:55:44.630
be said for that kind of life. There's a different

00:55:44.630 --> 00:55:48.929
way of life. My good buddy John Dudley, he lives

00:55:48.929 --> 00:55:52.329
in Iowa. Just different kind of people out there.

00:55:52.510 --> 00:55:55.329
No Twitter, no Instagram. Oh, he doesn't have

00:55:55.329 --> 00:55:58.469
that? No. I mean, there might be something that

00:55:58.469 --> 00:56:01.630
somebody does for him. But it's just small town

00:56:01.630 --> 00:56:03.949
life. Small town life, yeah. There's good and

00:56:03.949 --> 00:56:09.670
bad. Lack of nuance there sometimes. Well, definitely

00:56:09.670 --> 00:56:12.909
all Trump supporters there at the time. What

00:56:12.909 --> 00:56:14.630
do you think that is? Why do you think that is?

00:56:14.750 --> 00:56:18.809
Because here's a narrative that I don't like.

00:56:19.489 --> 00:56:24.789
It's the Trump supporters are all racist. I don't

00:56:24.789 --> 00:56:26.250
like that narrative. I don't think it's true.

00:56:26.409 --> 00:56:30.929
I think it's too simplistic. There's a lot of

00:56:30.929 --> 00:56:35.750
people that don't like a lot of what Democrats...

00:56:36.090 --> 00:56:39.610
are pushing, whether it is, you know, whatever

00:56:39.610 --> 00:56:41.550
the variables are, whatever the things are that

00:56:41.550 --> 00:56:43.769
they don't like about the Democrats. It doesn't

00:56:43.769 --> 00:56:46.150
mean they're racist. This thing keeps coming

00:56:46.150 --> 00:56:47.989
up over and over again, like you can just say

00:56:47.989 --> 00:56:51.849
it. You can just say it. And that Trump equals

00:56:51.849 --> 00:56:55.489
you're supporting racism, you support Biden,

00:56:55.630 --> 00:56:58.190
it means you're the future, you're progressive.

00:56:59.039 --> 00:57:02.960
And it's a weird narrative that is very polarizing

00:57:02.960 --> 00:57:04.719
to all the people that voted for Trump that aren't

00:57:04.719 --> 00:57:09.860
racist. They don't like a lot of the things that

00:57:09.860 --> 00:57:12.500
Joe Biden stands for in terms of his politics

00:57:12.500 --> 00:57:16.659
and the way he was with the Obama administration,

00:57:17.039 --> 00:57:19.500
the way the Democrats have been throughout the

00:57:19.500 --> 00:57:22.840
election. They're allowed to have their opinions,

00:57:22.900 --> 00:57:26.519
and I think we run a real... dangerous risk in

00:57:26.519 --> 00:57:29.420
this country of uh separating people like good

00:57:29.420 --> 00:57:34.139
versus evil and uh not just respecting people's

00:57:34.139 --> 00:57:37.139
differences and differences of opinions and it's

00:57:37.139 --> 00:57:39.659
a different kind of discrimination yeah you know

00:57:39.659 --> 00:57:42.059
it's an intellectual discrimination it's a cultural

00:57:42.059 --> 00:57:46.380
discrimination it's it's a weird way of chastising

00:57:46.380 --> 00:57:50.360
people that don't share your ideas and in terms

00:57:50.360 --> 00:57:53.440
of white supremacists or racists We focus on

00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:55.320
both the left and the right, on the extremes,

00:57:55.579 --> 00:58:00.099
on the ridiculous examples, the tiny 0 .001 %

00:58:00.099 --> 00:58:03.920
of the people, like with the violence in the

00:58:03.920 --> 00:58:07.260
Capitol. You somehow equate that some of the

00:58:07.260 --> 00:58:10.699
people that stormed the Capitol are somehow equivalent

00:58:10.699 --> 00:58:13.000
to the 70 million or whatever that voted for

00:58:13.000 --> 00:58:16.219
Trump. Right. That kind of equivalent. And the

00:58:16.219 --> 00:58:20.750
same is done on the other side. It's sort of

00:58:20.750 --> 00:58:24.170
the 80 or whatever million that voted for Biden

00:58:24.170 --> 00:58:26.409
are all social justice warriors, and they hate

00:58:26.409 --> 00:58:30.110
America, right? They hate the flag. They hate

00:58:30.110 --> 00:58:34.510
the flag. I mean, one of the things that does

00:58:34.510 --> 00:58:38.710
bother me about sort of the, I don't know, is

00:58:38.710 --> 00:58:43.070
the left or something, is not loving this country

00:58:43.070 --> 00:58:45.829
unapologetically. I mean, criticizing, but just

00:58:45.829 --> 00:58:48.719
loving the incredible. experiment that this is

00:58:48.719 --> 00:58:52.699
and i think uh what i felt in terms of dan gable

00:58:52.699 --> 00:58:55.320
and so on the the nature of their support for

00:58:55.320 --> 00:58:59.039
trump was uh they were not like rah rah trump

00:58:59.039 --> 00:59:01.579
it's just they're more like rah rah america rah

00:59:01.579 --> 00:59:05.019
rah america the flags everywhere yeah and it's

00:59:05.019 --> 00:59:09.539
not it wasn't also like naive or delusional support

00:59:09.539 --> 00:59:11.940
for america like everything america does is right

00:59:11.940 --> 00:59:14.539
it's more like this is an incredible country

00:59:14.539 --> 00:59:18.199
and i'm proud to be here and not this is not

00:59:18.199 --> 00:59:20.719
beyond criticizing and so on being against wars

00:59:20.719 --> 00:59:24.500
and so on but just being able to say i love america

00:59:24.500 --> 00:59:29.260
every time i say i love america i get i get private

00:59:29.260 --> 00:59:33.480
emails is like that uh private emails and messages

00:59:33.480 --> 00:59:36.179
so public messages of support from trump people

00:59:36.179 --> 00:59:40.280
i knew you'd love trump all right it's like why

00:59:40.280 --> 00:59:43.059
does saying i love america equate to i love trump

00:59:43.500 --> 00:59:46.179
It doesn't. It's weird. You can just love this

00:59:46.179 --> 00:59:49.099
country and be skeptical of all leaders that

00:59:49.099 --> 00:59:53.119
attain power. Anybody with power, I think, deserves

00:59:53.119 --> 00:59:56.840
careful scrutiny. And Trump is certainly one

00:59:56.840 --> 00:59:58.619
of them. Biden is certainly one of them. But

00:59:58.619 --> 01:00:00.940
you can still love this country. That's why I

01:00:00.940 --> 01:00:04.059
think people that immigrate to this country can

01:00:04.059 --> 01:00:06.440
appreciate even further, to be honest, because

01:00:06.440 --> 01:00:10.599
it can be really shitty elsewhere. Another way

01:00:10.599 --> 01:00:14.059
to do that is just by studying history. That's

01:00:14.059 --> 01:00:17.000
too much work. Too much work. But yeah, I mean,

01:00:17.000 --> 01:00:19.559
coming from Russia, the difference in the freedom

01:00:19.559 --> 01:00:23.079
here versus there is... Yeah, it's... I mean,

01:00:23.079 --> 01:00:25.019
there's beautiful things about Russia too, like

01:00:25.019 --> 01:00:29.559
culturally speaking, in terms of just like in

01:00:29.559 --> 01:00:31.320
the struggle of the war. I would say it came

01:00:31.320 --> 01:00:35.550
from the wars, the music, the art, the... The

01:00:35.550 --> 01:00:38.349
poetry, the writing, the science that came from

01:00:38.349 --> 01:00:42.070
the World War that impacted Russia way more than

01:00:42.070 --> 01:00:45.409
it did the United States. The World War II. I

01:00:45.409 --> 01:00:48.250
mean, tens of millions of people died. China,

01:00:48.329 --> 01:00:53.510
Russia, Europe, obviously. They had to, for a

01:00:53.510 --> 01:00:55.530
century, struggle with the biggest existential

01:00:55.530 --> 01:01:01.449
questions of good and evil, of losing. most of

01:01:01.449 --> 01:01:04.869
your family to unjust slaughter or starvation

01:01:04.869 --> 01:01:07.710
in ukraine in the 1930s like i mentioned before

01:01:07.710 --> 01:01:12.130
my grandmother survived uh something that people

01:01:12.130 --> 01:01:14.530
don't talk about they say that hitler is evil

01:01:14.530 --> 01:01:17.610
and so on they don't often highlight the evil

01:01:17.610 --> 01:01:19.989
of stalin there's not enough talk about just

01:01:19.989 --> 01:01:25.949
this the fact that he imposed uh just things

01:01:25.949 --> 01:01:29.900
on the people without any consideration of the

01:01:29.900 --> 01:01:32.719
suffering that that causes. So millions of people

01:01:32.719 --> 01:01:35.280
die from starvation. Starvation, cannibalism,

01:01:35.360 --> 01:01:37.739
people eating their children. Yeah, it's crazy.

01:01:37.900 --> 01:01:41.980
If you read the depictions of it, I've read some

01:01:41.980 --> 01:01:44.619
stuff that I couldn't continue. I couldn't finish

01:01:44.619 --> 01:01:49.239
because it's so horrific. You know, you should

01:01:49.239 --> 01:01:50.980
have Dan Carlin back on the podcast, by the way.

01:01:51.059 --> 01:01:53.880
I would love to. And you, he's been, he's like,

01:01:54.000 --> 01:01:56.500
I don't know. I don't know what's a good metaphor,

01:01:56.500 --> 01:01:58.719
but he released an episode now like once every

01:01:58.719 --> 01:02:01.440
year. And it's always like an excitement. It's

01:02:01.440 --> 01:02:04.519
like Christmas or whatever as a Jew. I feel weird

01:02:04.519 --> 01:02:05.920
saying that. What is he doing most of the time

01:02:05.920 --> 01:02:09.659
now? Working on the podcast. So he releases his

01:02:09.659 --> 01:02:12.219
one episode once a year. Well, he doesn't. So

01:02:12.219 --> 01:02:16.000
he released, I want to say, three or four episodes

01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:18.880
this year. So it's been a productive year. You

01:02:18.880 --> 01:02:21.559
mean 2020, right? 2020. Sorry, I apologize. Isn't

01:02:21.559 --> 01:02:25.400
that crazy? What we do is not. What he does.

01:02:25.519 --> 01:02:28.239
No. It's really rude to call what we do a podcast

01:02:28.239 --> 01:02:32.659
and call what he does a podcast. But he has two,

01:02:32.719 --> 01:02:34.320
and I recommend people listen to it. He has two

01:02:34.320 --> 01:02:37.099
podcasts. One is Hardcore History and one is

01:02:37.099 --> 01:02:39.880
Common Sense. Yeah. He shut down Common Sense

01:02:39.880 --> 01:02:42.400
for a while because he felt... Too polarized

01:02:42.400 --> 01:02:44.860
by the political climate, right? But he released

01:02:44.860 --> 01:02:47.500
an episode, People Should Listen. One he got

01:02:47.500 --> 01:02:50.800
a lot of shit for that was a little bit, I think,

01:02:50.820 --> 01:02:53.000
critical of Trump, but not between the lines,

01:02:53.039 --> 01:02:55.630
not... not directly but he got shit for that

01:02:55.630 --> 01:02:58.309
before the election was like steering into the

01:02:58.309 --> 01:03:01.769
iceberg basically worried he's the opposite of

01:03:01.769 --> 01:03:04.849
me this is a level of optimism but he was worried

01:03:04.849 --> 01:03:07.210
about where this country's headed and he released

01:03:07.210 --> 01:03:10.110
a new episode I think garbage in garbage out

01:03:10.110 --> 01:03:13.550
about the you know basically making a case for

01:03:13.550 --> 01:03:16.409
centrism you know for center left center right

01:03:16.409 --> 01:03:19.670
in this country as opposed to extremes it's poetic

01:03:19.670 --> 01:03:21.590
it's beautiful people should listen to it but

01:03:21.590 --> 01:03:24.380
that it It's done with the same kind of care

01:03:24.380 --> 01:03:28.340
that he does with the hardcore history. But he

01:03:28.340 --> 01:03:31.139
did release one extra hardcore history. He inspired

01:03:31.139 --> 01:03:34.679
me to... He mentioned what we do. He inspired

01:03:34.679 --> 01:03:41.039
me to try to do a solo thing, like an episode

01:03:41.039 --> 01:03:46.820
on Hitler, on the rise and fall of the Third

01:03:46.820 --> 01:03:50.539
Reich. So I read... a book called The Rise and

01:03:50.539 --> 01:03:52.480
Fall of the Third Reich. It's this huge volume.

01:03:53.159 --> 01:03:56.860
I recommend people read it. It tells the story

01:03:56.860 --> 01:04:00.019
of how Hitler came to power, and it tells the

01:04:00.019 --> 01:04:01.460
story from the perspective of the person who

01:04:01.460 --> 01:04:04.500
was there. So it was written in the, I want to

01:04:04.500 --> 01:04:07.440
say, 60s and 70s by a person who was a journalist

01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:09.300
that lived through it. And it's one of the best

01:04:09.300 --> 01:04:12.360
books on the entirety of the whole Third Reich

01:04:12.360 --> 01:04:16.460
project, how evil came to be. And so I've been

01:04:16.460 --> 01:04:19.099
trying to for the last two months to do an episode.

01:04:19.780 --> 01:04:22.260
And I think it's going to take another year.

01:04:23.460 --> 01:04:26.400
Because it sucks. And it's hard. It's hard work.

01:04:26.860 --> 01:04:28.539
It's fascinating. To put together it the way

01:04:28.539 --> 01:04:30.719
he does. The way he does. Very difficult. And

01:04:30.719 --> 01:04:34.760
he doesn't call himself a historian. So everybody's

01:04:34.760 --> 01:04:37.900
got demons. His demons are like the historians

01:04:37.900 --> 01:04:39.639
that criticize him for getting something incorrectly.

01:04:40.579 --> 01:04:42.659
So he feels like he's never going to live up

01:04:42.659 --> 01:04:47.300
to the accuracy required. to uh sort of be respected

01:04:47.300 --> 01:04:49.940
by the academic historians there's also a problem

01:04:49.940 --> 01:04:52.019
with the academic historians don't like the fact

01:04:52.019 --> 01:04:54.119
that he's famous for that of course that's always

01:04:54.119 --> 01:04:57.159
there's a lot of ego involved in anything academic

01:04:57.159 --> 01:04:59.719
right yeah but he's a storyteller and he's a

01:04:59.719 --> 01:05:02.840
masterful storyteller and he's good at abandoning

01:05:02.840 --> 01:05:05.280
that that stance you know and saying you know

01:05:05.280 --> 01:05:07.139
being self -deprecating and saying he's not a

01:05:07.139 --> 01:05:10.019
not a historian yeah so he's obsessed with uh

01:05:11.029 --> 01:05:13.329
Alexander the Great. He wants to do a whole series

01:05:13.329 --> 01:05:15.250
on Alexander the Great, which is probably one

01:05:15.250 --> 01:05:19.030
of the most badass sort of conquerors in history.

01:05:19.269 --> 01:05:21.969
I think Tyson was obsessed with Alexander the

01:05:21.969 --> 01:05:24.929
Great. Genghis Khan, too. So obviously he did

01:05:24.929 --> 01:05:27.070
an amazing job with Genghis Khan. That Wrath

01:05:27.070 --> 01:05:29.449
of the Khans is the greatest historical thing

01:05:29.449 --> 01:05:32.969
I've ever listened to in my life. And eventually

01:05:32.969 --> 01:05:37.829
he says he wants to try Hitler. But that one

01:05:37.829 --> 01:05:41.070
is... I struggle with that one because I think

01:05:41.070 --> 01:05:42.929
it's the most useful to understand because it's

01:05:42.929 --> 01:05:48.510
so modern. It's useful. I feel like Hitler is

01:05:48.510 --> 01:05:51.489
a really interesting person to study in the context

01:05:51.489 --> 01:05:54.329
of Stalin as well, of communism, of fascism,

01:05:54.429 --> 01:05:57.570
the economic systems, how depression in the United

01:05:57.570 --> 01:06:04.050
States leads eventually to conflict and violence.

01:06:05.320 --> 01:06:07.420
How a charismatic leader can take control of

01:06:07.420 --> 01:06:09.579
a populace. There's so much about human nature

01:06:09.579 --> 01:06:11.400
that you can learn from there that feels more

01:06:11.400 --> 01:06:14.920
directly relevant to us now than maybe even like

01:06:14.920 --> 01:06:16.940
Alexander the Great. It just feels like there's

01:06:16.940 --> 01:06:20.079
a lot of lessons. What was the criticism about

01:06:20.079 --> 01:06:26.079
the Trump episode? The Trump episode. So steering

01:06:26.079 --> 01:06:28.599
into the iceberg, I think the episode is called.

01:06:29.320 --> 01:06:32.239
I think the nature of the criticism was that

01:06:32.239 --> 01:06:40.079
Trump. magnified the division which ultimately

01:06:40.079 --> 01:06:43.760
shut down the ability of people of having nuanced

01:06:43.760 --> 01:06:46.900
conversations and to be able to reason and whenever

01:06:46.900 --> 01:06:52.099
you destroy reason you're not able to do what

01:06:52.099 --> 01:06:54.800
you're not able to make the decisions that kind

01:06:54.800 --> 01:06:58.760
of keep this country great you know to you're

01:06:58.760 --> 01:07:03.460
not able to think clearly like grounded in in

01:07:05.300 --> 01:07:10.280
like a deep real humble understanding of reality

01:07:10.280 --> 01:07:13.059
you're more focused on the division so you construct

01:07:13.059 --> 01:07:15.480
sort of narratives about the other side that

01:07:15.480 --> 01:07:17.739
they're evil somehow and you go into this battle

01:07:17.739 --> 01:07:20.579
this isn't just Twitter this is everywhere and

01:07:20.579 --> 01:07:22.719
so his argument was that this kind of process

01:07:22.719 --> 01:07:26.869
once it gets going You're going to have a charismatic

01:07:26.869 --> 01:07:29.329
leader that takes over, like Trump or somebody

01:07:29.329 --> 01:07:31.449
else, that then is going to make it worse and

01:07:31.449 --> 01:07:32.949
worse and worse. There's too much incentive to

01:07:32.949 --> 01:07:35.510
make it worse. And that's going to ultimately

01:07:35.510 --> 01:07:38.429
lead us to destroy this nation that was great.

01:07:38.550 --> 01:07:43.829
It's a different kind of mania than what grabbed

01:07:43.829 --> 01:07:46.469
Germany when Hitler took over. It's a different

01:07:46.469 --> 01:07:50.659
kind of mania because of social media. And because

01:07:50.659 --> 01:07:54.380
there's too much information, there's too many

01:07:54.380 --> 01:07:59.980
competing ideas for it to be the same sort of

01:07:59.980 --> 01:08:02.820
situation. But I think people were really worried

01:08:02.820 --> 01:08:07.300
because what happened with Hitler in World War

01:08:07.300 --> 01:08:13.559
II is we would like to think that's outside of

01:08:13.559 --> 01:08:16.819
what's possible today. But I don't think we really

01:08:16.819 --> 01:08:19.300
believe that. I think deep down in our hearts

01:08:19.300 --> 01:08:23.819
we know that a charismatic leader with all of

01:08:23.819 --> 01:08:29.420
the wrong intentions, with all of the right things

01:08:29.420 --> 01:08:32.319
lining up in terms of the economy falling apart,

01:08:32.539 --> 01:08:43.750
in terms of the lack of patriotism. uh in general

01:08:43.750 --> 01:08:47.569
or a feeling of insecurity by the nation and

01:08:47.569 --> 01:08:52.050
then all sudden they get they get exhumed they

01:08:52.050 --> 01:08:55.449
get risen from the dead by some charismatic person

01:08:55.449 --> 01:08:59.250
who can talk people into doing wild shit and

01:08:59.250 --> 01:09:01.369
i think we saw a little bit of that with the

01:09:01.369 --> 01:09:03.569
storm in the capital when he said you have to

01:09:03.569 --> 01:09:05.449
be strong it's a show of force so when i when

01:09:05.449 --> 01:09:08.569
i saw that i was like oh jesus christ like those

01:09:08.569 --> 01:09:11.260
words And there's a real question of whether

01:09:11.260 --> 01:09:13.600
or not those words were inciting and whether

01:09:13.600 --> 01:09:17.140
or not what he did was illegal. I don't know.

01:09:17.260 --> 01:09:21.000
I'm not a lawyer, obviously. But the rhetoric,

01:09:21.119 --> 01:09:23.760
that kind of rhetoric, like you have to show

01:09:23.760 --> 01:09:28.060
strength. What exactly did Trump say? Because

01:09:28.060 --> 01:09:30.560
he said something along the lines of you can't

01:09:30.560 --> 01:09:33.899
be weak. You have to be strong. They need to

01:09:33.899 --> 01:09:36.880
show a force or something like that. Yeah, that's

01:09:36.880 --> 01:09:38.060
a really good point, because you have to read

01:09:38.060 --> 01:09:39.840
his words exactly. Because every time I read

01:09:39.840 --> 01:09:43.220
his words on paper, they don't sound as dramatic

01:09:43.220 --> 01:09:47.279
as I think they're being reported on. Right.

01:09:47.319 --> 01:09:50.060
Sometimes you've got to look at it again. Speaking

01:09:50.060 --> 01:09:53.939
of Hitler, you have to listen to the delivery,

01:09:54.100 --> 01:09:58.920
too. I think BBC did a really nice program on

01:09:58.920 --> 01:10:01.479
Hitler, on the charisma of Hitler. He had way

01:10:01.479 --> 01:10:06.489
better meth. The drugs are just the best. The

01:10:06.489 --> 01:10:08.710
Nazi Germany had the best. There's a really good

01:10:08.710 --> 01:10:13.029
book on the drugs that fueled the Nazi regime.

01:10:13.270 --> 01:10:16.829
I feel like, damn it, I wish I remembered the

01:10:16.829 --> 01:10:20.600
title. It's a book entirely about all the drugs

01:10:20.600 --> 01:10:22.739
that they loved that fueled that entire war,

01:10:22.899 --> 01:10:27.699
the entire regime. And it's probably, we don't

01:10:27.699 --> 01:10:30.319
talk about it often, you could probably attribute

01:10:30.319 --> 01:10:33.159
most of the Nazi regime to just really good drugs.

01:10:33.399 --> 01:10:36.420
A lot of it, legitimately. One of the thoughts,

01:10:37.100 --> 01:10:40.239
there was apparently, God, I wish I remember

01:10:40.239 --> 01:10:42.869
who told me this. But there was a moment where

01:10:42.869 --> 01:10:45.109
Hitler was supposed to meet Mussolini. And he

01:10:45.109 --> 01:10:47.850
was apparently just like broken down. He was

01:10:47.850 --> 01:10:50.550
completely exhausted. I can't remember. Jamie,

01:10:50.630 --> 01:10:51.909
do you remember who brought this up on the podcast?

01:10:51.909 --> 01:10:54.430
I tried to look it up before and I couldn't find

01:10:54.430 --> 01:10:56.109
it. So I don't remember who told us this story.

01:10:56.250 --> 01:10:58.369
Someone told us a story where Hitler was going

01:10:58.369 --> 01:11:01.159
to meet Mussolini. And Hitler was just... Just

01:11:01.159 --> 01:11:04.859
beyond exhausted. And they pump him full of testosterone

01:11:04.859 --> 01:11:08.399
and cocaine. They injected cocaine into him and

01:11:08.399 --> 01:11:10.880
testosterone. And he meets Mussolini and he just

01:11:10.880 --> 01:11:16.060
starts ranting. He just fucking corners him and

01:11:16.060 --> 01:11:19.359
coke talks at him for like five hours. And Mussolini

01:11:19.359 --> 01:11:21.100
was ready to back out of the war. Mussolini's

01:11:21.100 --> 01:11:22.520
like, what are we doing? Why are we doing this?

01:11:22.960 --> 01:11:26.859
And Hitler just fucking berates him until he

01:11:26.859 --> 01:11:30.329
gives up and he goes along with it. There's a

01:11:30.329 --> 01:11:32.390
really interesting relationship with Mussolini,

01:11:32.550 --> 01:11:35.369
but Mussolini was always on board. He was like,

01:11:35.409 --> 01:11:37.510
but can we just not do this whole thing you're

01:11:37.510 --> 01:11:40.909
doing? Do we need to go to war? But they were

01:11:40.909 --> 01:11:43.569
kind of buds, and he was able to convince them.

01:11:43.630 --> 01:11:45.189
So that's an interesting set of conversations

01:11:45.189 --> 01:11:47.750
that people should look at. The really interesting

01:11:47.750 --> 01:11:51.090
set of conversations is between Hitler, Chamberlain,

01:11:51.090 --> 01:11:56.949
so between Hitler, Britain, and France. And my

01:11:56.949 --> 01:11:59.569
favorite part is when it was France, Britain,

01:11:59.729 --> 01:12:01.909
and Czechoslovakia, so in the very early days.

01:12:02.149 --> 01:12:07.270
And Hitler was just, it's clear to me, there's

01:12:07.270 --> 01:12:10.270
an element of like Jeffrey Epstein style smoothness

01:12:10.270 --> 01:12:13.329
and charisma that in the room he was able to

01:12:13.329 --> 01:12:16.010
convince people that he ultimately wants peace.

01:12:16.569 --> 01:12:18.829
And at the same time, there's this moment that

01:12:18.829 --> 01:12:23.180
really is so dark. It kind of haunts me. I'm

01:12:23.180 --> 01:12:25.220
not sure exactly. You know, the Jeffrey Epstein

01:12:25.220 --> 01:12:27.920
thing is a weird comparison because Eric Weinstein

01:12:27.920 --> 01:12:32.399
says Jeffrey Epstein wasn't smooth at all. I

01:12:32.399 --> 01:12:36.880
know that's what Eric says. Eric is far smarter

01:12:36.880 --> 01:12:39.619
than the average human being. Far smarter to

01:12:39.619 --> 01:12:42.659
the point where he's not buying anybody's bullshit.

01:12:43.119 --> 01:12:46.000
And he met with Epstein and he said right away,

01:12:46.119 --> 01:12:47.960
he's like, well, this is a construct. He's like,

01:12:48.000 --> 01:12:49.760
he's an actor. This is a construct. This guy

01:12:49.760 --> 01:12:51.739
doesn't know what he's talking about. He thought

01:12:51.739 --> 01:12:55.939
it was 100 % bullshit. I love Eric. And he is

01:12:55.939 --> 01:12:58.960
indeed brilliant. Probably way smarter than me.

01:12:59.300 --> 01:13:03.720
But he's also flawed. No. Like all humans are.

01:13:03.859 --> 01:13:07.600
What? And I disagree with him on that one. Well,

01:13:07.600 --> 01:13:09.979
listen. Did you meet Jeffrey Epstein? No, but

01:13:09.979 --> 01:13:12.399
I've met a lot of people who met him. Who did

01:13:12.399 --> 01:13:16.789
you meet that met him? Just the MIT, so all the

01:13:16.789 --> 01:13:20.090
scientists, everybody met him. This is the dark

01:13:20.090 --> 01:13:22.569
thing. All the scientists met him. Let me help

01:13:22.569 --> 01:13:24.770
you out here. Here's the difference. Here's one

01:13:24.770 --> 01:13:27.850
of the differences. First of all, Eric has gotten

01:13:27.850 --> 01:13:31.829
laid. It's happened before. He probably got laid

01:13:31.829 --> 01:13:33.470
a lot when he was younger. Just to clarify, people,

01:13:33.550 --> 01:13:36.409
I have also gotten laid. That's not what Joe

01:13:36.409 --> 01:13:39.250
is referring to. I'm not talking about you. I'm

01:13:39.250 --> 01:13:41.289
talking about a lot of these scientists. A lot

01:13:41.289 --> 01:13:44.109
of these scientists. that is their kryptonite

01:13:44.109 --> 01:13:48.409
it's not a coincidence that this guy allegedly

01:13:48.409 --> 01:13:52.590
it's not a coincidence this guy allegedly involved

01:13:52.590 --> 01:13:56.850
a huge part of the scientific community in this

01:13:56.850 --> 01:13:59.850
crazy thing where he's got a fucking island and

01:13:59.850 --> 01:14:01.890
he ships off these brilliant minds over there

01:14:01.890 --> 01:14:04.289
allegedly and introduces them to a lot of these

01:14:04.289 --> 01:14:08.029
ladies allegedly okay listen that is the kryptonite

01:14:08.029 --> 01:14:10.850
i meant allegedly referring to the kryptonite

01:14:11.210 --> 01:14:13.609
of sex being a kryptonite for scientists. For

01:14:13.609 --> 01:14:16.390
dorks. For dorks. Listen, you and I will always

01:14:16.390 --> 01:14:20.630
disagree on this. Disagree? There's no disagreeing.

01:14:20.630 --> 01:14:23.350
I don't think that we can put all scientists

01:14:23.350 --> 01:14:25.149
in the group of dorks, but yes, there's a lot

01:14:25.149 --> 01:14:27.109
of dorks. No, can't put Eric in there. That's

01:14:27.109 --> 01:14:30.659
why he saw through the bullshit. I don't know.

01:14:30.920 --> 01:14:33.979
I hear what you're saying. That's conspiratorial,

01:14:33.979 --> 01:14:35.979
I think, because to say— There's many elements.

01:14:36.279 --> 01:14:39.340
I think what Eric says, which is like he was

01:14:39.340 --> 01:14:44.560
just a tool of something bigger, that's a problem

01:14:44.560 --> 01:14:47.819
to me because it removes their— the responsibility

01:14:47.819 --> 01:14:51.039
of evil from an individual and saying that there's

01:14:51.039 --> 01:14:54.039
some other evil beside in in the darkness it's

01:14:54.039 --> 01:14:56.359
it's possible no no no no no no no he's saying

01:14:56.359 --> 01:14:57.920
that he's a part of the intelligence community

01:14:57.920 --> 01:15:00.840
and that's that's actually been reported on do

01:15:00.840 --> 01:15:02.979
you know that when he was arrested the initial

01:15:02.979 --> 01:15:05.159
arrest and when they he was given a very lenient

01:15:05.159 --> 01:15:08.079
sentence one of the guys who was involved in

01:15:08.079 --> 01:15:11.039
that case said it was above my pay grade and

01:15:11.039 --> 01:15:13.119
that i was told he was a part of the intelligence

01:15:13.119 --> 01:15:16.630
community Now, the word had always been that

01:15:16.630 --> 01:15:19.909
he was either a Mossad agent or someone along

01:15:19.909 --> 01:15:22.949
those lines. Now, if you have some of the most

01:15:22.949 --> 01:15:24.890
brilliant minds in the world and you want to

01:15:24.890 --> 01:15:27.550
compromise them and you want to somehow or another

01:15:27.550 --> 01:15:30.550
get them entangled in your world, there's two

01:15:30.550 --> 01:15:32.630
great steps. I think you need some more of that,

01:15:32.670 --> 01:15:34.529
little fella. I was going to say, do you want

01:15:34.529 --> 01:15:36.710
to be... Hold up, hold up. I thought you considered

01:15:36.710 --> 01:15:38.829
yourself a man. You're drinking. What are you

01:15:38.829 --> 01:15:39.970
talking about? Not sufficiently. I already drank

01:15:39.970 --> 01:15:42.460
it. I finished. I know. I finished one before

01:15:42.460 --> 01:15:44.380
you, pussy. We should have another one. Okay.

01:15:47.199 --> 01:15:50.560
What I was saying is, if you wanted to compromise...

01:15:50.560 --> 01:15:53.539
Cheers, sir. Cheers. Good to see you, man. Good

01:15:53.539 --> 01:15:55.640
to see you. Legitimately. Really good to see

01:15:55.640 --> 01:15:58.800
you here. As I try to talk you into moving to

01:15:58.800 --> 01:16:02.640
Texas. There's two ways you would compromise

01:16:02.640 --> 01:16:04.840
the scientific community. One of them being money.

01:16:05.239 --> 01:16:07.979
So he gives them money, funding. Helps them.

01:16:08.020 --> 01:16:10.319
Millions of dollars. Donated millions of dollars

01:16:10.319 --> 01:16:13.539
to various projects, various things they're working

01:16:13.539 --> 01:16:16.880
on. To women. Bring all these scientists together.

01:16:17.800 --> 01:16:20.779
Bring these brilliant guys together with the

01:16:20.779 --> 01:16:23.220
promise of money for all their projects they're

01:16:23.220 --> 01:16:25.920
working on. And then you bring them to an island.

01:16:26.079 --> 01:16:28.399
And they say, hey, everything's fine here. Don't

01:16:28.399 --> 01:16:30.760
worry about it. I got a fucking temple that's

01:16:30.760 --> 01:16:33.630
painted like the Jewish flag. He's really flagged.

01:16:33.630 --> 01:16:36.289
I have faith that scientists have more integrity

01:16:36.289 --> 01:16:38.609
than that, but... But it's not a matter of integrity.

01:16:38.909 --> 01:16:41.390
Like, everything was above board. If they don't

01:16:41.390 --> 01:16:44.090
know what he's doing, and they're innocent, right,

01:16:44.229 --> 01:16:46.050
then they haven't done anything wrong, and he's

01:16:46.050 --> 01:16:47.909
giving them money and taking pictures with them.

01:16:47.989 --> 01:16:51.810
Just simply by taking pictures with them, they're...

01:16:51.810 --> 01:16:54.609
Oh, they're compromising yourself. Yeah. I see.

01:16:54.970 --> 01:16:57.229
Okay, I thought you meant, like, say there's

01:16:57.229 --> 01:16:59.609
a beautiful young lady here, and then she was

01:16:59.609 --> 01:17:02.949
tasked with escorting me around to show how wonderful

01:17:02.949 --> 01:17:05.069
Texas is. All you have to do is have photographs

01:17:05.069 --> 01:17:07.750
with you and this beautiful young lady. The compromise.

01:17:07.770 --> 01:17:11.560
Yes. Now, I do not know what happened, obviously,

01:17:11.600 --> 01:17:14.319
because I wasn't there. But I would imagine that

01:17:14.319 --> 01:17:17.279
if he was really a part of the intelligence community,

01:17:17.640 --> 01:17:19.460
there was probably a directive. There was probably

01:17:19.460 --> 01:17:21.300
something that they were working on to try to

01:17:21.300 --> 01:17:24.260
get these people to go along with whatever the

01:17:24.260 --> 01:17:26.199
fuck he was doing. But say to me that those are

01:17:26.199 --> 01:17:29.239
both different flavors of evil. Both of them

01:17:29.239 --> 01:17:32.460
are not good. But the intelligence community

01:17:32.460 --> 01:17:35.279
has always done that. They have always compromised

01:17:35.279 --> 01:17:37.319
people with sex. And they've always compromised

01:17:37.319 --> 01:17:41.800
people with money. This is standard. I've directly

01:17:41.800 --> 01:17:44.819
talked to people who are in the CIA who would

01:17:44.819 --> 01:17:47.880
describe methods that they would use to compromise

01:17:47.880 --> 01:17:50.520
individuals. Wait, so is this – could the scientists

01:17:50.520 --> 01:17:53.810
have done something to avoid it? It's hard because

01:17:53.810 --> 01:17:56.609
if they don't know, right, they're promised funding,

01:17:56.770 --> 01:17:58.689
and then you have other scientists that are also

01:17:58.689 --> 01:18:01.170
going to be there. Hey, this guy's going to be

01:18:01.170 --> 01:18:04.250
there. Hey, you got that guy. This guy won this

01:18:04.250 --> 01:18:06.409
prize, and he's going to be there. And this guy's

01:18:06.409 --> 01:18:07.850
from MIT. He's going to be there. And you're

01:18:07.850 --> 01:18:10.109
like, well, that would be a fun party. Let's

01:18:10.109 --> 01:18:13.529
go. Should I bring my wife? If Epstein is that,

01:18:14.729 --> 01:18:17.149
like why – so there was – I guess actually Eric

01:18:17.149 --> 01:18:18.930
makes this argument. It's like the whole thing

01:18:18.930 --> 01:18:23.380
that Jeffrey Epstein was a pedophile. was actually

01:18:23.380 --> 01:18:27.600
a negative in that sense, if he is a part of

01:18:27.600 --> 01:18:29.399
the intelligence community. You know what I think?

01:18:29.819 --> 01:18:33.300
The fact that he's a criminal is a negative.

01:18:33.520 --> 01:18:36.720
I interrupted you. I think it is a negative,

01:18:36.840 --> 01:18:39.880
but I think when you're involved in that much

01:18:39.880 --> 01:18:45.119
depravity, I think you can get compromised. I

01:18:45.119 --> 01:18:47.020
think it's like a DEAH and it becomes a drug

01:18:47.020 --> 01:18:52.980
dealer. I think when you're around... Darkness

01:18:52.980 --> 01:18:56.140
all the time. I mean, that happens a lot where

01:18:56.140 --> 01:18:58.680
undercover cops become drug dealers. It just

01:18:58.680 --> 01:19:02.340
happens. They live in that world for too long,

01:19:02.340 --> 01:19:06.420
and it just gets in their veins. Well. Not saying

01:19:06.420 --> 01:19:09.260
that he wasn't initially to begin with, but,

01:19:09.319 --> 01:19:12.680
I mean, who fucking knows? We're throwing a lot

01:19:12.680 --> 01:19:15.380
of speculation out there. But still, so I try

01:19:15.380 --> 01:19:19.770
to sort of defend. I have faith. And scientists

01:19:19.770 --> 01:19:22.449
having integrity. But the getting laid thing

01:19:22.449 --> 01:19:26.250
is a thing. I found myself not being affected

01:19:26.250 --> 01:19:31.109
by... I really don't like strip clubs. And money.

01:19:31.289 --> 01:19:33.750
I'm not affected by those things. I've actually

01:19:33.750 --> 01:19:37.380
been attacked in the past for... Like, who is

01:19:37.380 --> 01:19:38.939
your funding source? Because I've been supportive

01:19:38.939 --> 01:19:41.020
of some of the things that Tesla has done. And

01:19:41.020 --> 01:19:43.340
like asking, anytime you're supportive of anything,

01:19:43.600 --> 01:19:45.659
they ask like, what's your funding source? You

01:19:45.659 --> 01:19:48.520
gotta stop reading comments. These aren't comments.

01:19:48.939 --> 01:19:53.220
I haven't actually tattooed that on whatever.

01:19:54.119 --> 01:19:56.960
No, this is from like more like legitimate science.

01:19:57.220 --> 01:20:00.720
I ignore it. Legitimate scientists have attacked

01:20:00.720 --> 01:20:02.779
you for defending Tesla? Not attacked, but well,

01:20:02.859 --> 01:20:07.520
yes, yes. Because the argument is. that they

01:20:07.520 --> 01:20:10.500
are creating a product that's deployed out into

01:20:10.500 --> 01:20:13.220
the wild that can potentially be dangerous. You

01:20:13.220 --> 01:20:16.659
mean auto drive? Autopilot, yes. So there's a

01:20:16.659 --> 01:20:22.180
lot of criticisms of naming that product like

01:20:22.180 --> 01:20:25.680
autopilot or now it's called full self -driving.

01:20:25.920 --> 01:20:28.939
But do you think that the argument for that would

01:20:28.939 --> 01:20:33.930
be... If autonomous vehicle driving is ultimately

01:20:33.930 --> 01:20:37.930
one day far safer, and most people believe it

01:20:37.930 --> 01:20:40.050
will be. Don't you believe it will be far safer

01:20:40.050 --> 01:20:44.609
than just manual human operations of vehicles?

01:20:44.850 --> 01:20:47.529
It's complicated, but yes. Most likely. If you

01:20:47.529 --> 01:20:49.529
get to 50 years from now, 30 years from now,

01:20:49.590 --> 01:20:51.229
how the fuck do they think it's going to get

01:20:51.229 --> 01:20:54.079
there? Without implementing it. What do you think?

01:20:54.119 --> 01:20:56.300
It's going to be implemented completely theoretically

01:20:56.300 --> 01:20:59.579
and not in the wild? Can I try to lay it out

01:20:59.579 --> 01:21:01.600
just real quick? So I don't know if you're familiar.

01:21:02.220 --> 01:21:05.859
There's a place called Phoenix, Arizona. And

01:21:05.859 --> 01:21:07.520
there's a company. It used to be Google Self

01:21:07.520 --> 01:21:10.020
-Driving Car. They're now called Waymo. They

01:21:10.020 --> 01:21:14.479
have deployed what is an autonomous vehicle in

01:21:14.479 --> 01:21:19.159
Phoenix. It's like an Uber app. You can order

01:21:19.159 --> 01:21:23.539
it. And he can deliver you or drive you to a

01:21:23.539 --> 01:21:25.060
bunch of different locations in Phoenix. So it's

01:21:25.060 --> 01:21:28.279
basically like Uber. No driver. No driver. So

01:21:28.279 --> 01:21:30.399
this is the key thing. There's not a driver sitting

01:21:30.399 --> 01:21:33.539
there not doing anything. There's not a human

01:21:33.539 --> 01:21:36.140
not doing anything there, supervising. There's

01:21:36.140 --> 01:21:38.939
no person in the vehicle. It's trippy. I've gone

01:21:38.939 --> 01:21:42.100
there just to try it. Yeah, I did it. It's trippy.

01:21:42.239 --> 01:21:44.920
It'll freak you out. They're in the back seat?

01:21:45.359 --> 01:21:47.180
You're sitting there in the back seat and landing

01:21:47.180 --> 01:21:51.159
some asshole robot. Turn the steering wheel for

01:21:51.159 --> 01:21:54.800
you. And then, like, what is that thing? No,

01:21:54.859 --> 01:21:58.819
these are just, like, some generic, some crappy,

01:21:58.979 --> 01:22:03.340
well, I'll do respect. It's some minivan type

01:22:03.340 --> 01:22:05.640
of car. It's great. It's wonderful. Whatever.

01:22:05.779 --> 01:22:08.659
This is it? Oh, my God. This is madness. But,

01:22:08.720 --> 01:22:10.500
like, when you're in there and it turns the steering

01:22:10.500 --> 01:22:12.520
wheel, it's like, what if it takes me to my death?

01:22:12.979 --> 01:22:15.500
Well, who's manufacturing these vehicles? What

01:22:15.500 --> 01:22:17.979
is that? It looks like Chrysler. Yeah, it might

01:22:17.979 --> 01:22:19.800
be Chrysler. That's right. It looks like the

01:22:19.800 --> 01:22:22.220
steering wheel looks like a Chrysler. Is that

01:22:22.220 --> 01:22:24.539
correct? Yeah, I think it's a Chrysler Pacifica.

01:22:24.539 --> 01:22:25.880
Is that what it says, Jamie? I have no idea.

01:22:26.300 --> 01:22:28.159
You're right on the Chrysler. I think it's Chrysler

01:22:28.159 --> 01:22:32.069
Pacifica. Yeah, okay. Chrysler Pacifica. I didn't

01:22:32.069 --> 01:22:34.470
even know Chrysler made a driverless car. No,

01:22:34.489 --> 01:22:36.149
no, no, no, no. This is really important. This

01:22:36.149 --> 01:22:39.109
is a non -driverless car that Waymo then converts

01:22:39.109 --> 01:22:43.250
completely. They don't. Oh. Waymo is the brains

01:22:43.250 --> 01:22:45.670
of the operation here. So Waymo is doing the

01:22:45.670 --> 01:22:49.449
radar, the LIDAR on top. You see that? They've

01:22:49.449 --> 01:22:53.350
changed it. They sexied it up. And there's a

01:22:53.350 --> 01:22:55.109
bunch of little different sensors around. It

01:22:55.109 --> 01:22:57.149
has all the intelligence. It's really cool. Like

01:22:57.149 --> 01:22:59.090
if you want to taste the future, try this car

01:22:59.090 --> 01:23:01.489
out. You get a button that says pull over. Yeah.

01:23:01.630 --> 01:23:04.210
But the interface, because it's the Chrysler

01:23:04.210 --> 01:23:06.210
Pacifica, is like kind of shitty, to be honest.

01:23:06.250 --> 01:23:09.670
It's like very old school. But see that thing?

01:23:09.829 --> 01:23:12.329
Like it shows you what the car is seeing and

01:23:12.329 --> 01:23:17.350
what it's doing. And me as a, you know. I mean,

01:23:17.369 --> 01:23:20.270
I connect with you on the chimp side. We both

01:23:20.270 --> 01:23:23.130
have the same ancestors. It feels weird to let

01:23:23.130 --> 01:23:25.810
a robot control your whole life as it's traveling

01:23:25.810 --> 01:23:30.430
50 miles an hour. Well, I think ultimately this

01:23:30.430 --> 01:23:32.810
is going to be way safer. No, ultimately, yes.

01:23:32.890 --> 01:23:34.710
But this is an example. The reason I bring it

01:23:34.710 --> 01:23:38.109
up, people in the scientific community, and I

01:23:38.109 --> 01:23:40.069
could see that argument, and I felt that argument,

01:23:40.189 --> 01:23:42.899
and I... partially agree to it, which is this

01:23:42.899 --> 01:23:46.159
is the safe way to proceed. They're slowly mastering

01:23:46.159 --> 01:23:48.840
Phoenix, Arizona currently. They're mastering

01:23:48.840 --> 01:23:53.220
it and slowly growing. Tesla Autopilot is like,

01:23:53.260 --> 01:23:56.819
we're going to deploy this autopilot technology

01:23:56.819 --> 01:24:01.060
to the entire world. To hundreds of thousands

01:24:01.060 --> 01:24:04.060
of people. I don't use the autopilot. I have

01:24:04.060 --> 01:24:05.960
it. I don't use it. Jamie, do you use yours?

01:24:06.180 --> 01:24:10.289
I did it once. It felt gnarly. I've used it with

01:24:10.289 --> 01:24:12.630
my wife just to, like, freak her out. Watch this,

01:24:12.729 --> 01:24:14.829
baby. I did it on a windy -ass road, too, with

01:24:14.829 --> 01:24:17.210
cars coming at me, two -way road. Oh, my God,

01:24:17.250 --> 01:24:18.710
did you? I kept my hand on the wheel the whole

01:24:18.710 --> 01:24:20.609
time, and a couple times it would just, like,

01:24:20.689 --> 01:24:22.710
I didn't even realize it gave it back to me.

01:24:23.189 --> 01:24:26.550
The question is, have you taken a long road trip?

01:24:26.960 --> 01:24:29.180
That was 20 miles, 30 miles. That's as long as

01:24:29.180 --> 01:24:31.159
it was. That's a good move, right? If you're

01:24:31.159 --> 01:24:32.619
taking a long road trip because you could just

01:24:32.619 --> 01:24:35.159
chill. Yeah, chill on the highway. Yeah. That's

01:24:35.159 --> 01:24:37.119
where people get the benefit of it. Yeah. Well,

01:24:37.180 --> 01:24:38.520
I used to take it home from the comedy store

01:24:38.520 --> 01:24:41.000
when I was tired. So I'd be there hanging out

01:24:41.000 --> 01:24:42.420
and it'd be like 1 .30 in the morning. I'd be

01:24:42.420 --> 01:24:46.000
tired. I love that. Then I'd get on the 101 and

01:24:46.000 --> 01:24:49.500
just let it ride. Was it energizing? At the store?

01:24:49.579 --> 01:24:51.960
Or tiring? No, no, no. Relaxing. Letting the

01:24:51.960 --> 01:24:56.159
car. Just relaxing where I can just... hold on

01:24:56.159 --> 01:24:58.800
the wheel, and pay attention to the road a little

01:24:58.800 --> 01:25:02.060
bit, but not like I am if I'm driving a sports

01:25:02.060 --> 01:25:03.420
car. You think so? You think you're paying attention

01:25:03.420 --> 01:25:06.460
less? I think so. Well, a sports car is different.

01:25:06.619 --> 01:25:09.380
You mean like a sports car driven at a fast speed?

01:25:09.460 --> 01:25:14.100
One of the surprising things to me is that it

01:25:14.100 --> 01:25:16.399
seems that people are a little bit more alert

01:25:16.399 --> 01:25:19.619
when they turn on autopilot. So this idea that

01:25:19.619 --> 01:25:23.189
you become more detached from the road. was counterintuitive

01:25:23.189 --> 01:25:25.050
like that's what i thought would happen but it

01:25:25.050 --> 01:25:28.149
seems like people are less they become more alert

01:25:28.149 --> 01:25:31.569
they become less kind of weirded out by the fact

01:25:31.569 --> 01:25:34.550
they're doing this like yeah yeah i mean i don't

01:25:34.550 --> 01:25:37.289
know it's but the point is there's a lot of open

01:25:37.289 --> 01:25:39.750
questions from a human psychology perspective

01:25:39.750 --> 01:25:42.130
and that's where the scientific community speaks

01:25:42.130 --> 01:25:45.289
up like elon seems to be going full steam ahead

01:25:45.289 --> 01:25:49.050
yeah and he's doing the one of the really cool

01:25:49.050 --> 01:25:50.250
things i don't know if you're paying attention

01:25:50.250 --> 01:25:52.409
to this but they're really deploying the full

01:25:52.409 --> 01:25:56.569
self -driving beta uh technology so like it's

01:25:56.569 --> 01:25:59.529
now able to for the people in the beta program

01:26:01.180 --> 01:26:04.739
the FSD beta program, it's able to take left

01:26:04.739 --> 01:26:07.420
turns, right turns, stop at the light, actually

01:26:07.420 --> 01:26:10.500
take you from point A to point B fully autonomously,

01:26:10.619 --> 01:26:14.420
except the liability is still with you. You're

01:26:14.420 --> 01:26:16.399
supposed to always pay attention. And this is

01:26:16.399 --> 01:26:18.920
another public, what is it? Service announcement.

01:26:19.000 --> 01:26:21.560
Service announcement. Always pay attention to

01:26:21.560 --> 01:26:24.979
the road. I bought that, and I never had it installed.

01:26:26.530 --> 01:26:27.949
It was one of those things where I was in my

01:26:27.949 --> 01:26:29.710
car, and it was like, would you like to order

01:26:29.710 --> 01:26:31.649
that? I'm like, okay. Elon's going to be mad

01:26:31.649 --> 01:26:35.810
at you. I'm just kidding. I have to bring it

01:26:35.810 --> 01:26:37.750
somewhere. That's the problem. I thought I could

01:26:37.750 --> 01:26:39.329
just download it, but you've got to bring it

01:26:39.329 --> 01:26:41.270
somewhere. Oh, because your car needs to be modified

01:26:41.270 --> 01:26:43.710
in order to support it. Yeah. Whatever the new

01:26:43.710 --> 01:26:47.050
thing is that I paid for, because they keep emailing

01:26:47.050 --> 01:26:51.909
me. But both the pro and the con of the way Tesla

01:26:51.909 --> 01:26:55.210
does things is that they're constantly improving

01:26:55.210 --> 01:26:57.029
things. And some of those are in the hardware.

01:26:57.210 --> 01:27:00.569
So sometimes you have to go and get your car

01:27:00.569 --> 01:27:02.949
modified and upgraded in order to support that

01:27:02.949 --> 01:27:07.310
kind of stuff. I think it's incredibly exciting.

01:27:07.550 --> 01:27:09.609
I think it's one of the things I've changed my

01:27:09.609 --> 01:27:16.770
mind on is the ability of cars to drive. Fully

01:27:16.770 --> 01:27:18.869
autonomously. I don't think as soon as Elon says,

01:27:19.090 --> 01:27:22.069
but I think very soon. When do you think it'll

01:27:22.069 --> 01:27:26.949
be? It's hard to make... We should tell everybody

01:27:26.949 --> 01:27:29.029
that you actually have a background in AI, so

01:27:29.029 --> 01:27:33.619
you're not talking out of your ass like me. Well,

01:27:33.720 --> 01:27:38.500
my side gig is being an expert in Conor McGregor

01:27:38.500 --> 01:27:41.699
fights, drinking whiskey. Yeah, no, I worked

01:27:41.699 --> 01:27:43.159
on autonomous vehicles for a long time. I still

01:27:43.159 --> 01:27:46.720
work on autonomous vehicles. Yeah, and I'm deep

01:27:46.720 --> 01:27:50.220
in the scientific community. And one of the only

01:27:50.220 --> 01:27:52.739
people who is appreciative of what Elon is doing

01:27:52.739 --> 01:27:55.319
and of what the entirety of the robotic community

01:27:55.319 --> 01:27:59.020
is doing. One of the only people? Yeah, it's

01:27:59.020 --> 01:28:03.250
Apple versus Android. The scientists are very...

01:28:03.250 --> 01:28:05.229
I think it's jealousy, to be honest. I like both.

01:28:05.369 --> 01:28:07.909
I have an Android phone, too. You do? Yeah, I

01:28:07.909 --> 01:28:09.789
do. I have a Note. I think this is a metaphor

01:28:09.789 --> 01:28:11.869
for the division that ultimately creates progress.

01:28:12.810 --> 01:28:15.550
I think the Apple -Android is a good analogy.

01:28:15.789 --> 01:28:18.369
Yeah. Because there's a weirdness. There's a

01:28:18.369 --> 01:28:19.810
weirdness to the Android people. They're the

01:28:19.810 --> 01:28:21.850
resistance. They're like, I'm hanging in there.

01:28:22.189 --> 01:28:24.369
I'm kidding. I don't give a fuck, bro. We should

01:28:24.369 --> 01:28:28.430
all use Signal. Yes. Legitimately should all

01:28:28.430 --> 01:28:32.520
use Signal. Signal's amazing. I use Signal on

01:28:32.520 --> 01:28:35.880
my iPhone. I use Signal with a lot of my friends.

01:28:36.119 --> 01:28:39.659
I use Signal on my Android phone. There's like

01:28:39.659 --> 01:28:41.659
a threshold I'm waiting for that people like

01:28:41.659 --> 01:28:44.239
Switch. A lot of people are switching. I talked

01:28:44.239 --> 01:28:47.300
to Moxie from Signal, one of the guys who created

01:28:47.300 --> 01:28:49.180
it. He'd been on the podcast in the past. Yeah,

01:28:49.180 --> 01:28:50.979
that's right. How do you say his last name? Mapplethorpe?

01:28:51.159 --> 01:28:56.500
No. Marlon Spike. Marlon Spike. I'm thinking

01:28:56.500 --> 01:28:58.880
of Robert Mablethorpe, the artist. Marlon Spike.

01:28:59.020 --> 01:29:00.920
Moxie's amazing. He's a really interesting guy.

01:29:01.119 --> 01:29:06.579
And completely altruistic intentions. Not trying

01:29:06.579 --> 01:29:09.579
to make any money off of Signal. And he said

01:29:09.579 --> 01:29:11.880
that when Elon was telling people to use Signal...

01:29:12.109 --> 01:29:15.510
Something happened and Signal literally gained

01:29:15.510 --> 01:29:18.909
the amount of users of a small country in like

01:29:18.909 --> 01:29:24.109
a couple of days. They had an outage a few days

01:29:24.109 --> 01:29:26.909
ago, Signal did, and I talked to Moxie about

01:29:26.909 --> 01:29:28.329
it because I sent a message about something.

01:29:28.470 --> 01:29:33.170
There was an article that was demonizing Signal.

01:29:34.000 --> 01:29:35.920
And this it was really disturbing to me because

01:29:35.920 --> 01:29:39.119
they were demonizing signal and demonizing. Let

01:29:39.119 --> 01:29:41.819
me find it because I'll send it to you, Jamie,

01:29:41.920 --> 01:29:45.140
because it was they were demonizing signal and

01:29:45.140 --> 01:29:48.720
they were demonizing encryption. And they were

01:29:48.720 --> 01:29:53.460
saying that it's a tool of the the people that

01:29:53.460 --> 01:29:55.720
stormed the Capitol and this kind of shit. I

01:29:55.720 --> 01:29:58.199
was like, what the fuck are you talking about?

01:29:58.260 --> 01:30:03.449
So it was this weird like. plea to Big Brother

01:30:03.449 --> 01:30:06.630
to look in on everybody and to make sure that

01:30:06.630 --> 01:30:09.250
everything's okay. It was a very disturbing thing.

01:30:09.569 --> 01:30:11.710
I think a lot of people that got... I'd love

01:30:11.710 --> 01:30:13.350
to hear your opinions, actually, on Parler. There

01:30:13.350 --> 01:30:15.810
are a lot of people that moved to Signal as a

01:30:15.810 --> 01:30:18.350
place to try to communicate with each other when

01:30:18.350 --> 01:30:21.229
all the platforms are banning just a bunch of

01:30:21.229 --> 01:30:23.270
different accounts. It's really unfortunate,

01:30:23.630 --> 01:30:26.109
man, because I see both sides. I really do. And

01:30:26.109 --> 01:30:28.270
I know some people don't. I'm going to send this

01:30:28.270 --> 01:30:31.060
to you, Jamie. Some people don't see both sides.

01:30:31.319 --> 01:30:34.340
I really do see both sides. I don't think that

01:30:34.340 --> 01:30:36.699
most people are doing this because they want

01:30:36.699 --> 01:30:41.500
to support some sort of gigantic government overreach

01:30:41.500 --> 01:30:45.920
a la NSA, Edward Snowden exposed stuff. I think

01:30:45.920 --> 01:30:48.960
most people do worry that these kind of things

01:30:48.960 --> 01:30:51.380
will escalate. Now what we saw, the attack of

01:30:51.380 --> 01:30:53.319
Capitol Hill, we'll keep going. Millions flock

01:30:53.319 --> 01:30:55.680
to Telegram. So this is something that Glenn

01:30:55.680 --> 01:31:00.920
Greenwald posted. Millions flock. to Millions

01:31:00.920 --> 01:31:03.600
flock to Telegram and Signal as fears grow over

01:31:03.600 --> 01:31:06.579
big tech. But go back to what Glenn said, because

01:31:06.579 --> 01:31:09.300
Glenn had a really good point. He said, three

01:31:09.300 --> 01:31:11.779
journalistic units most devoted to demanding

01:31:11.779 --> 01:31:14.800
online censorship are CNN's media reporters,

01:31:14.960 --> 01:31:18.479
NBC's disinformation team, and New York Times

01:31:18.479 --> 01:31:21.640
tech reporters. Here's the letter laying the

01:31:21.640 --> 01:31:24.399
groundwork for making encrypted apps Signal and

01:31:24.399 --> 01:31:27.359
Telegram the next targets. And scroll down to

01:31:27.359 --> 01:31:30.850
his next tweet, please. He said, when the internet

01:31:30.850 --> 01:31:33.289
and encryption proliferated in the 1990s, the

01:31:33.289 --> 01:31:35.409
Clinton administration seized the Oklahoma City

01:31:35.409 --> 01:31:39.090
bombing to demand backdoor access to all encryption.

01:31:39.250 --> 01:31:42.170
Bush and Obama used 9 -11 to radically expand

01:31:42.170 --> 01:31:45.170
internet surveillance. Now it's CNN, NBC, New

01:31:45.170 --> 01:31:47.170
York Times journalists who take the lead. And

01:31:47.170 --> 01:31:49.930
there's a whole stream. It's from January 15th

01:31:49.930 --> 01:31:53.189
from Glenn Greenwald, who's an amazing follow.

01:31:53.960 --> 01:31:57.180
on Twitter and just a fantastic journalist. But

01:31:57.180 --> 01:31:59.159
his take on it is accurate. You've got to be

01:31:59.159 --> 01:32:03.899
really careful when people are calling for denouncing

01:32:03.899 --> 01:32:07.199
encryption, privacy. You should be able to say

01:32:07.199 --> 01:32:09.340
things privately between each other. There's

01:32:09.340 --> 01:32:12.640
no fucking reason why anybody should know what

01:32:12.640 --> 01:32:16.079
you're saying to me. And the way you text most

01:32:16.079 --> 01:32:19.520
of the time, SMS, with your wacky fucking Android

01:32:19.520 --> 01:32:23.960
device, that is the least private way. OnePlus

01:32:23.960 --> 01:32:26.699
Pro 7. Oh, is that a new one? Galaxy, no, it's

01:32:26.699 --> 01:32:30.359
not that new, but Galaxy S21, best phone on the

01:32:30.359 --> 01:32:32.039
market. Are you going to get the Galaxy S21?

01:32:32.880 --> 01:32:36.960
Probably. It looks so sexy. It does. The Ultra

01:32:36.960 --> 01:32:41.760
looks very sexy. I don't know. I wasn't, I don't

01:32:41.760 --> 01:32:43.699
know what to think. You're right. I'm personally

01:32:43.699 --> 01:32:45.899
torn about the whole banning of all these different

01:32:45.899 --> 01:32:48.460
accounts of social media. The one that really

01:32:48.460 --> 01:32:52.460
hit me. was Amazon, I don't know if you're paying

01:32:52.460 --> 01:32:54.819
attention to this, but Amazon removing Parler

01:32:54.819 --> 01:33:00.939
from AWS. It feels like that created a worse

01:33:00.939 --> 01:33:03.779
world, a more dangerous world. Because there's

01:33:03.779 --> 01:33:06.439
a difference to me than banning accounts on Twitter,

01:33:06.619 --> 01:33:11.180
which is also very complicated. But it's like

01:33:11.180 --> 01:33:13.520
the difference between banning the ability to

01:33:13.520 --> 01:33:16.720
make a phone call, the ability of like... banning

01:33:16.720 --> 01:33:19.779
your number blocking your number versus banning

01:33:19.779 --> 01:33:22.319
your ability to make a phone call at all when

01:33:22.319 --> 01:33:25.659
the actual infrastructure based on which your

01:33:25.659 --> 01:33:29.220
apps operate is now putting its finger on the

01:33:29.220 --> 01:33:32.560
scale of who succeed or not now that starts affecting

01:33:32.560 --> 01:33:35.359
capitalism that means twitter can't have a competitor

01:33:35.359 --> 01:33:38.859
that's like That has the conspiracy theorists.

01:33:38.979 --> 01:33:42.380
That has the people that are allowed to say crazy

01:33:42.380 --> 01:33:45.199
shit about Jeffrey Epstein not killing himself

01:33:45.199 --> 01:33:48.260
or something. I don't think that's crazy. Some

01:33:48.260 --> 01:33:50.199
people might think it's crazy, right? You think

01:33:50.199 --> 01:33:53.840
it's crazy? What do you think? If you had all

01:33:53.840 --> 01:33:56.779
your money and you had to put it on red or black,

01:33:57.020 --> 01:34:00.279
you had to put it on he didn't kill himself or

01:34:00.279 --> 01:34:05.810
he did kill himself. Red or black. i'm pushing

01:34:05.810 --> 01:34:09.170
all my chips on he didn't kill himself yeah i

01:34:09.170 --> 01:34:11.390
would i would uh see i feel like you would be

01:34:11.390 --> 01:34:14.229
more excited by the push i would be just sadly

01:34:14.229 --> 01:34:16.470
pushing towards he didn't kill himself oh you

01:34:16.470 --> 01:34:18.430
feel like i'm i have a problem with the way i

01:34:18.430 --> 01:34:22.829
look at things i'm judging why would i be more

01:34:22.829 --> 01:34:25.630
excited do you think i do you think i favor chaos

01:34:25.630 --> 01:34:30.819
over you uh well i got Enough chances to interact

01:34:30.819 --> 01:34:32.800
with Michael Malice to where you're not even

01:34:32.800 --> 01:34:35.680
close to that side of the spectrum. No. He gets

01:34:35.680 --> 01:34:38.479
excited. He doesn't have any children. That's

01:34:38.479 --> 01:34:40.760
right. Yeah, I have children. I have three daughters,

01:34:40.899 --> 01:34:44.659
and that's the most vulnerable. Just slaying

01:34:44.659 --> 01:34:47.279
Maxwell, hearing illegally streamed by apparent

01:34:47.279 --> 01:34:49.779
QAnon followers. They broke in and said there's

01:34:49.779 --> 01:34:52.239
14 ,000 people watching illegally. But here's

01:34:52.239 --> 01:34:54.699
the thing, man. Fucking everybody who does something

01:34:54.699 --> 01:34:57.739
like that now is a QAnon follower. It's the greatest

01:34:57.739 --> 01:35:01.579
way to dismiss people ever. You were talking,

01:35:01.779 --> 01:35:03.760
Jamie and I were talking before the podcast about

01:35:03.760 --> 01:35:07.840
these hilarious threads of these QAnon followers

01:35:07.840 --> 01:35:11.380
realizing they've been had and saying, I can't

01:35:11.380 --> 01:35:13.560
believe Biden's the president. And then there's

01:35:13.560 --> 01:35:16.479
some really dumb ones who think Biden is in on

01:35:16.479 --> 01:35:18.960
the QAnon conspiracy and he's helping. Whoa,

01:35:19.000 --> 01:35:21.020
that's another level. Oh, it's all nonsense,

01:35:21.239 --> 01:35:24.229
right? It's just that... It's literally the most

01:35:24.229 --> 01:35:28.770
unsophisticated minds trying to interpret things

01:35:28.770 --> 01:35:31.369
and looking for secrets that they can uncover.

01:35:31.569 --> 01:35:35.550
So it's really crude, bumbling, and you see these

01:35:35.550 --> 01:35:38.270
guys with flannel shirts on where their bellies

01:35:38.270 --> 01:35:40.229
are poking out and the buttons are stretching

01:35:40.229 --> 01:35:42.750
because they're so fat. And they're like, Q has

01:35:42.750 --> 01:35:45.789
told us that this is that and that is this. And

01:35:45.789 --> 01:35:48.229
so what's going to happen is it's a setup and

01:35:48.229 --> 01:35:50.390
Trump has got them all locked up and everything

01:35:50.390 --> 01:35:54.010
has been blockchained. and they and there's so

01:35:54.010 --> 01:35:55.909
many people that buy into all this shit and it's

01:35:55.909 --> 01:35:57.970
it's weird to watch it's weird to watch it all

01:35:57.970 --> 01:36:02.250
play out but it's the same thing as bigfoot it's

01:36:02.250 --> 01:36:05.609
the same thing it's the same intention as people

01:36:05.609 --> 01:36:09.189
who are channeling aliens some beta reticuli.

01:36:09.270 --> 01:36:12.069
It's the same fucking thing. It's people that

01:36:12.069 --> 01:36:14.449
want to pretend they have some secret information

01:36:14.449 --> 01:36:19.109
because their life is boring as fuck. And they

01:36:19.109 --> 01:36:22.229
want to spice it up with some secret intel on

01:36:22.229 --> 01:36:26.250
the U .S. government by Q. And Q is gut. They

01:36:26.250 --> 01:36:28.890
know. They know what's happening. And it's easy

01:36:28.890 --> 01:36:31.270
to get sucked into that. Just like it's easy

01:36:31.270 --> 01:36:33.550
to get sucked into channeling. It's easy to get

01:36:33.550 --> 01:36:37.449
sucked into psychics and card readers. And Bigfoot

01:36:37.449 --> 01:36:39.930
and all that stuff. It's easy to get sucked into

01:36:39.930 --> 01:36:43.289
believing that someone has this really exciting

01:36:43.289 --> 01:36:46.109
secret. They know some things that other people

01:36:46.109 --> 01:36:50.609
don't know. But there's so many secrets that

01:36:50.609 --> 01:36:53.550
are fascinating and that are closer to the truth.

01:36:54.109 --> 01:36:56.829
Like a lot of science has a lot of secrets. Oh,

01:36:56.829 --> 01:37:00.670
yeah. Sure. I would say you're at the forefront

01:37:00.670 --> 01:37:02.470
of revealing some of the things on the alien

01:37:02.470 --> 01:37:05.840
side that are like... I got more coming. more

01:37:05.840 --> 01:37:07.960
coming oh shit i got a lot more people coming

01:37:07.960 --> 01:37:10.420
i've been doing like an alien interview once

01:37:10.420 --> 01:37:13.020
every month yeah hell yeah with uh ufo interviews

01:37:13.020 --> 01:37:18.100
some of them like uh so the ivy lobe guy thank

01:37:18.100 --> 01:37:20.960
you very much by the way for recommending him

01:37:20.960 --> 01:37:23.720
and and he's legit so people should check him

01:37:23.720 --> 01:37:27.739
out in the key so outside of aliens this the

01:37:27.739 --> 01:37:31.350
same thought mindset he has he applies to a lot

01:37:31.350 --> 01:37:34.149
of questions in science his thoughts about black

01:37:34.149 --> 01:37:35.810
holes are really interesting people should really

01:37:35.810 --> 01:37:38.710
follow he's brilliant he's a brilliant dude brilliant

01:37:38.710 --> 01:37:42.229
so when a guy like him is saying that this interstellar

01:37:42.229 --> 01:37:45.550
object that travels faster by far by more than

01:37:45.550 --> 01:37:48.550
twice of any comet or any asteroid that we've

01:37:48.550 --> 01:37:51.569
ever observed that is coming away from the sun

01:37:51.569 --> 01:37:54.810
not affected by the sun's gravity that is is

01:37:54.810 --> 01:37:57.510
10 times more reflective than any other object

01:37:57.510 --> 01:38:00.220
we've ever observed that one of the things that

01:38:00.220 --> 01:38:03.939
Jeremy Corbell sent me is that it appears that

01:38:03.939 --> 01:38:08.159
it's commonly depicted that that object, a muamua,

01:38:08.300 --> 01:38:11.720
is a cigar -shaped. Cigar -shaped. It's most

01:38:11.720 --> 01:38:13.760
likely flat, like Jeremy said, yeah. Jeremy said

01:38:13.760 --> 01:38:15.460
it's like a disc. That's what Avi says, too.

01:38:16.119 --> 01:38:17.819
Yeah, it's from his book. So the things that

01:38:17.819 --> 01:38:20.779
people have, the way they've described it, I'll

01:38:20.779 --> 01:38:24.500
try to find Jeremy's. Yes, most likely. The reflectivity

01:38:24.500 --> 01:38:27.800
suggests that it's most likely to be a disc.

01:38:28.079 --> 01:38:31.439
A disc, yeah. Of course, Jeremy says flying saucer

01:38:31.439 --> 01:38:36.479
-like. Of course he does. This is from Avi's

01:38:36.479 --> 01:38:39.699
book. The likelihood of a muamua being disc -shaped

01:38:39.699 --> 01:38:45.779
was about 91%. So that's like artistic interpretations

01:38:45.779 --> 01:38:48.640
based on the idea that it was an object, like

01:38:48.640 --> 01:38:52.340
a rock. But he says that it's flat. See, I tend

01:38:52.340 --> 01:38:53.699
to believe. Cigar isn't what I would go with

01:38:53.699 --> 01:38:56.439
on that. Cigar shape. What do you think, a shit?

01:38:56.600 --> 01:38:58.520
Yeah. A turd. Yeah, it looks like a flying turd.

01:38:58.520 --> 01:39:00.779
Definitely. This is a kid's show, Jamie. I would

01:39:00.779 --> 01:39:04.399
say it. But you know what, man? I think this

01:39:04.399 --> 01:39:06.970
is, I'm going to go way out here. This thing

01:39:06.970 --> 01:39:09.210
that people have where they want to believe in

01:39:09.210 --> 01:39:12.050
Q or they want to believe in aliens or they want

01:39:12.050 --> 01:39:13.789
to believe in Bigfoot, they want to find these

01:39:13.789 --> 01:39:17.050
secrets, I think this is ultimately the reaching

01:39:17.050 --> 01:39:22.670
for the branch. This is a call to psychic powers.

01:39:22.949 --> 01:39:26.029
And I think ultimately that's what we're trying

01:39:26.029 --> 01:39:28.130
to develop as human beings. And I think it's

01:39:28.130 --> 01:39:31.710
taking many, many, many generations. And I think...

01:39:31.949 --> 01:39:35.890
the the evolution of human communication through

01:39:35.890 --> 01:39:40.090
grunts and and and gestures all the way up to

01:39:40.090 --> 01:39:43.170
sounds all the way up to complicated computer

01:39:43.170 --> 01:39:47.899
code and various languages I think that what

01:39:47.899 --> 01:39:52.340
we are doing is trying to evolve human communication,

01:39:52.420 --> 01:39:55.359
whether it's through biology or whether it's

01:39:55.359 --> 01:39:57.880
through technology, to the point where there

01:39:57.880 --> 01:40:00.720
are no secrets. And I think that's coming. And

01:40:00.720 --> 01:40:03.880
I don't think it's going to be as far off in

01:40:03.880 --> 01:40:05.720
the future as many people think. And I think

01:40:05.720 --> 01:40:11.579
Elon and this Neuralink shit, these are the first

01:40:11.579 --> 01:40:15.140
warning shots of this. symbiotic relationship

01:40:15.140 --> 01:40:16.960
that we're going to have with technology that

01:40:16.960 --> 01:40:19.260
allows us to read each other's minds. And this

01:40:19.260 --> 01:40:22.619
is what I've been saying for a while, that I

01:40:22.619 --> 01:40:26.239
think this is the future of human beings. I think

01:40:26.239 --> 01:40:29.479
the future of human beings is the thing that's

01:40:29.479 --> 01:40:32.659
going to save us. We're going to realize that

01:40:32.659 --> 01:40:36.020
we're in this massive conflict between lies and

01:40:36.020 --> 01:40:40.260
truth and encryption and disinformation and propaganda

01:40:40.260 --> 01:40:46.210
and these fucking crazy conspiracy theorists

01:40:46.210 --> 01:40:48.850
and all these people that you know are alt -right

01:40:48.850 --> 01:40:51.630
and white supremacists and you know he is are

01:40:51.630 --> 01:40:54.069
the proud boys evil or was it all just a joke

01:40:54.069 --> 01:40:57.279
what what what's the truth I want to know the

01:40:57.279 --> 01:40:59.859
truth because the fucking mainstream media does

01:40:59.859 --> 01:41:01.739
not have a vested interest in telling you the

01:41:01.739 --> 01:41:03.800
truth. They have a vested interest in telling

01:41:03.800 --> 01:41:06.119
you whatever the fuck they should tell you that's

01:41:06.119 --> 01:41:08.199
going to make the most people around them happy

01:41:08.199 --> 01:41:10.899
and sell the most clicks and get them the most

01:41:10.899 --> 01:41:13.640
views. And so we've got a conflict. We've got

01:41:13.640 --> 01:41:16.140
a massive conflict. Two polarized sides, right

01:41:16.140 --> 01:41:18.659
and left, red and blue. No one knows how to get

01:41:18.659 --> 01:41:21.039
out of this okay. No one knows. The way to get

01:41:21.039 --> 01:41:23.640
out of this okay, the way we get out of this

01:41:23.640 --> 01:41:26.970
is we can clearly see. everyone's intentions

01:41:26.970 --> 01:41:29.529
and maybe some people that you thought were bad

01:41:29.529 --> 01:41:31.869
or not bad maybe they're really good and maybe

01:41:31.869 --> 01:41:33.270
some people you thought were good were really

01:41:33.270 --> 01:41:35.670
bad they're just playing on the heartstrings

01:41:35.670 --> 01:41:38.090
of what's the common consensus of what you're

01:41:38.090 --> 01:41:40.229
supposed to say what pronouns are you supposed

01:41:40.229 --> 01:41:42.510
to use what are the words you're supposed to

01:41:42.510 --> 01:41:44.510
utter what are the things that you're supposed

01:41:44.510 --> 01:41:47.949
to repeat there's a lot of really bad actors

01:41:47.949 --> 01:41:50.109
out there that are playing upon these cultural

01:41:50.109 --> 01:41:55.529
narratives that may not be They might be sociopaths,

01:41:55.529 --> 01:41:58.689
but they're saying the things that you can say

01:41:58.689 --> 01:42:01.170
publicly. Privately, people know. Privately,

01:42:01.210 --> 01:42:03.350
people are terrified. Privately, people are like,

01:42:03.409 --> 01:42:06.010
she's fucking crazy. Like, I can't believe she

01:42:06.010 --> 01:42:08.430
got to where she got. Do you know what she did?

01:42:08.630 --> 01:42:10.930
Do you know who she is? Do you know who her uncle

01:42:10.930 --> 01:42:13.069
is? Do you know who her grandfather is? Do you

01:42:13.069 --> 01:42:15.850
know what the fucking, the family history of

01:42:15.850 --> 01:42:18.590
these demons from hell? Like, this is a lot of

01:42:18.590 --> 01:42:22.560
people talking this, but publicly, Del. espouse

01:42:22.560 --> 01:42:27.020
woke scripture. It's dark. It is dark. The way

01:42:27.020 --> 01:42:29.880
out of it is to read each other's minds. That's

01:42:29.880 --> 01:42:33.880
the way out of it. Wow. I think I love the picture

01:42:33.880 --> 01:42:36.020
you paint of reaching for branches and everyone's

01:42:36.020 --> 01:42:38.819
reaching for different branches. I think on the

01:42:38.819 --> 01:42:42.300
path to reading each other's minds, there's going

01:42:42.300 --> 01:42:44.239
to be a lot of technologies that allow you to

01:42:44.239 --> 01:42:47.810
read each other's minds. in more subtle ways

01:42:47.810 --> 01:42:51.729
before it's like full -on waterfall, neural link,

01:42:51.829 --> 01:42:54.449
just... I think that's what social media does.

01:42:54.510 --> 01:42:57.810
We can reach each other's minds. I mean, we're

01:42:57.810 --> 01:43:00.609
all struggling with this. And I think despite

01:43:00.609 --> 01:43:04.989
the media and all that, everybody is just like

01:43:04.989 --> 01:43:08.329
the alien folks are reaching for the different

01:43:08.329 --> 01:43:11.430
branches and underlying that is ultimately like...

01:43:11.930 --> 01:43:14.489
A curiosity and an optimism. And that's how we

01:43:14.489 --> 01:43:17.670
got to where we are today. It's just like chimps

01:43:17.670 --> 01:43:20.949
being, you know, the sons of apes. But it starts

01:43:20.949 --> 01:43:24.010
with bacteria. It's just like reaching. Always

01:43:24.010 --> 01:43:27.250
reaching for the next branch. Like hopeful. Yeah.

01:43:27.510 --> 01:43:29.789
Because like most of life is kind of shitty.

01:43:30.489 --> 01:43:32.489
And you're always trying to reach out and make

01:43:32.489 --> 01:43:34.569
a better life. And it's gotten better and better

01:43:34.569 --> 01:43:36.149
and better and better because of that kind of

01:43:36.149 --> 01:43:38.989
reaching. That's what Elon does with his crazy

01:43:38.989 --> 01:43:42.279
thoughts about... First of all, landing on Mars

01:43:42.279 --> 01:43:44.140
and then colonizing Mars and colonizing other

01:43:44.140 --> 01:43:47.939
planets. It seemed crazy at the time. But because

01:43:47.939 --> 01:43:50.659
of that kind of reaching, a hundred years from

01:43:50.659 --> 01:43:53.260
now, several hundred years from now, it'll be

01:43:53.260 --> 01:43:56.439
ridiculous to think that obviously we would not

01:43:56.439 --> 01:43:59.000
be colonizing this solar system and even other

01:43:59.000 --> 01:44:01.880
solar systems. And that kind of thinking then

01:44:01.880 --> 01:44:07.199
moves to robots, AI. Yeah. I don't know if you

01:44:07.199 --> 01:44:11.899
saw. Okay. I was trying to bring Spot here. No.

01:44:12.060 --> 01:44:15.020
Yeah. I'll fucking shoot it. Exactly. I'll shoot

01:44:15.020 --> 01:44:18.039
that dog. Good luck. Spot is a... I would never

01:44:18.039 --> 01:44:20.840
shoot a real dog. It's a robot dog, folks. Oh,

01:44:20.979 --> 01:44:23.520
it's not real to you. No, not yet. Maybe one

01:44:23.520 --> 01:44:26.239
day it will be. You met my dog? You met Marshall?

01:44:26.340 --> 01:44:29.149
Yes. No, I... Did you meet him? God damn it,

01:44:29.149 --> 01:44:30.850
I was going to bring him here today. But in the

01:44:30.850 --> 01:44:33.489
confusion of trying to find my suit and get to

01:44:33.489 --> 01:44:35.350
the dry cleaner and all that jazz, it was a real

01:44:35.350 --> 01:44:37.390
problem. I'm honored. I think the world would

01:44:37.390 --> 01:44:40.010
love to see a jerk in a suit. I was going to.

01:44:40.170 --> 01:44:43.989
But I can't wear regular collars. Yeah, no, that's

01:44:43.989 --> 01:44:46.930
right. It has to be custom made. So I have this

01:44:46.930 --> 01:44:50.449
David August custom suit for this fucking gorilla

01:44:50.449 --> 01:44:55.170
neck I have. The iron neck, man. Do you use that

01:44:55.170 --> 01:44:58.479
yet? Yeah, you showed it to me. Yeah. You don't

01:44:58.479 --> 01:44:59.399
have one yet? No, I don't have one. I'll get

01:44:59.399 --> 01:45:01.319
you one. I'll get you one. I'd love that, actually.

01:45:01.460 --> 01:45:03.359
They actually just reached out to me because

01:45:03.359 --> 01:45:05.920
me talking about it so much is blowing their

01:45:05.920 --> 01:45:08.420
company up. They asked me if anybody needs one,

01:45:08.460 --> 01:45:10.579
if anybody wants one. I do a lot of bridges.

01:45:10.960 --> 01:45:13.819
No, no, don't do that. No? No, no, no, no. That's

01:45:13.819 --> 01:45:16.140
how Mike Tyson fucked his neck up. Bridges, the

01:45:16.140 --> 01:45:17.779
problem with bridges is you're putting all this

01:45:17.779 --> 01:45:20.119
weight on those discs. The thing about the Iron

01:45:20.119 --> 01:45:22.920
Neck is when you have this halo on and this bungee

01:45:22.920 --> 01:45:24.979
cord. Mike Jolly, the guy who invented it, was

01:45:24.979 --> 01:45:29.100
a fucking gigantic NFL player. It was so intimidating

01:45:29.100 --> 01:45:32.260
meeting him. I'm like, hi. He's so much bigger

01:45:32.260 --> 01:45:36.380
than me. And you pull the cord. The cord is a

01:45:36.380 --> 01:45:38.920
50 -pound bungee. And then you have this halo

01:45:38.920 --> 01:45:41.659
around your head that you can change the resistance.

01:45:41.939 --> 01:45:47.000
And so you go. but you're never doing this. So

01:45:47.000 --> 01:45:49.100
this is how people fuck their necks up. They

01:45:49.100 --> 01:45:51.920
fuck their necks up by putting an unnatural load

01:45:51.920 --> 01:45:54.560
on those discs. Like a compression. Yeah, well,

01:45:54.699 --> 01:45:58.159
a compression and just a strain on the disc itself,

01:45:58.260 --> 01:46:01.659
and it causes herniations. By keeping everything

01:46:01.659 --> 01:46:05.039
in alignment, but operating against resistance,

01:46:05.239 --> 01:46:07.960
you never put pressure on those discs. I've had

01:46:07.960 --> 01:46:10.130
a tremendous result with it. I talk about it.

01:46:10.189 --> 01:46:11.789
I mean, I don't have any interest in the company.

01:46:11.930 --> 01:46:14.649
I don't own any of it. They never paid me. I

01:46:14.649 --> 01:46:17.229
talk about it openly. Do you try to get, like,

01:46:17.229 --> 01:46:19.170
reps, like, once a week or something like that?

01:46:19.170 --> 01:46:20.710
I do it twice a week. Twice a week? Yeah, I do

01:46:20.710 --> 01:46:23.470
it twice a week. Yeah, but I do once a week pretty

01:46:23.470 --> 01:46:25.869
light. But I do a lot of other neck stuff, too.

01:46:26.170 --> 01:46:28.729
A lot of trap stuff. There's a lot of cleans

01:46:28.729 --> 01:46:31.350
and presses which work your traps, you know?

01:46:31.510 --> 01:46:32.909
Yeah, there's a lot of, like, little maintenance

01:46:32.909 --> 01:46:36.090
work like that for... I feel like... you have

01:46:36.090 --> 01:46:37.909
to study your own body like what kind of gets

01:46:37.909 --> 01:46:41.609
you in trouble like i used to uh and not used

01:46:41.609 --> 01:46:47.670
to i still do uh train wrist stuff how do i put

01:46:47.670 --> 01:46:51.119
this where people are not going to be like Jerk

01:46:51.119 --> 01:46:56.119
off? Jerk off, yeah, exactly. Wrist curls. Wrist

01:46:56.119 --> 01:46:58.640
curls. So I get in trouble with the wrists. Shoulders

01:46:58.640 --> 01:47:00.699
is a huge problem. You mentioned knees. Shoulders

01:47:00.699 --> 01:47:03.539
is a huge problem for me, so I use bands. I recommend

01:47:03.539 --> 01:47:06.119
it highly, just bands to do all kinds. There's

01:47:06.119 --> 01:47:08.340
all kinds of movements you can do on the shoulder.

01:47:08.539 --> 01:47:12.079
Have you had shoulder problems? Like overuse

01:47:12.079 --> 01:47:15.560
problems, not major like shit broke problems

01:47:15.560 --> 01:47:19.460
yet. Do you get MRIs? Not yet. So you don't know

01:47:19.460 --> 01:47:22.680
if you broke anything. No. But the Goggins thing,

01:47:22.720 --> 01:47:26.340
this is why I'm preparing. Like cue the Rocky

01:47:26.340 --> 01:47:30.039
music. Because of Goggins, I did this challenge

01:47:30.039 --> 01:47:31.840
where I did 20 ,000 push -ups and pull -ups,

01:47:31.920 --> 01:47:36.260
25 ,000. That's when the shoulder was like, oh,

01:47:36.300 --> 01:47:40.319
shit. Yeah. The problem is the tendons. The tendons

01:47:40.319 --> 01:47:42.979
don't want that. The overuse injury. There's

01:47:42.979 --> 01:47:48.250
a fine line between. This idea of 40%, like people

01:47:48.250 --> 01:47:51.510
quit at 40%, pushing past that but also having

01:47:51.510 --> 01:47:54.609
irreparable physical damage to your body. You

01:47:54.609 --> 01:47:57.770
sound like a pussy, sir. Yeah, I do. I do. I

01:47:57.770 --> 01:47:59.829
sound like a guy who's had his knees reconstructed.

01:48:00.970 --> 01:48:03.310
There's a certain level. Weakness gets us all,

01:48:03.409 --> 01:48:06.489
ladies and gentlemen. Age and love. Yeah, for

01:48:06.489 --> 01:48:10.390
sure. You have daughters. Also, knowing what

01:48:10.390 --> 01:48:14.210
you're physically capable of doing. versus not

01:48:14.210 --> 01:48:16.529
doing that because you don't want your body to

01:48:16.529 --> 01:48:20.670
break. The thing is, we all die one day. But

01:48:20.670 --> 01:48:23.869
do you want to be Dan Gable, walking around in

01:48:23.869 --> 01:48:26.789
your garage with bad hips and bad knees and doing

01:48:26.789 --> 01:48:30.449
curls with rusty weights? Maybe you do. Maybe

01:48:30.449 --> 01:48:33.810
you do. I think he lived a hell of a life. I'd

01:48:33.810 --> 01:48:35.529
like to high -five him and then go fucking take

01:48:35.529 --> 01:48:41.390
a nap. That's almost poetry. I don't know. That's

01:48:41.390 --> 01:48:43.510
definitely the choice you make. I mean, you make

01:48:43.510 --> 01:48:46.050
that choice in all kinds of aspects of life.

01:48:46.170 --> 01:48:48.590
I make preservation choices when it comes to

01:48:48.590 --> 01:48:51.550
my body. I do make preservation choices. Because

01:48:51.550 --> 01:48:58.909
I think... Look, I love David. I love David Goggins.

01:48:59.010 --> 01:49:01.750
And I love my friend Cam Haynes, who does basically

01:49:01.750 --> 01:49:03.710
the same kind of shit. Maybe even more extreme.

01:49:04.130 --> 01:49:07.079
Cam Haynes is in better shape. He's more crazy

01:49:07.079 --> 01:49:09.979
in a lot of ways. He just doesn't have the same

01:49:09.979 --> 01:49:12.140
kind of publicity that David does. He screams

01:49:12.140 --> 01:49:13.859
a little bit less, but he runs like a marathon.

01:49:13.859 --> 01:49:16.119
He doesn't scream at all. Yeah, he'll run a marathon

01:49:16.119 --> 01:49:19.319
a day. And, you know, he'll regularly do 100

01:49:19.319 --> 01:49:22.279
-mile runs and regularly do, I mean, he's run

01:49:22.279 --> 01:49:26.060
the Moab 240, the Bigfoot 200. He's done some

01:49:26.060 --> 01:49:30.000
fucking crazy shit. Cam's an unusual human being.

01:49:30.300 --> 01:49:33.859
And he's also older than David, you know. Are

01:49:33.859 --> 01:49:36.979
you? He looks young. He's my age. Cam's my age.

01:49:37.220 --> 01:49:41.140
Interesting. Yeah. He's vibrant. He's like super...

01:49:41.140 --> 01:49:43.699
Works a full fucking eight hours a day every

01:49:43.699 --> 01:49:46.380
day. Works for the Oregon Department of Water

01:49:46.380 --> 01:49:49.699
and Power. Puts in his fucking punches o 'clock

01:49:49.699 --> 01:49:52.369
every day. And puts his time on the bow and all

01:49:52.369 --> 01:49:54.649
that kind of stuff. Oh, yeah. Every day. No,

01:49:54.710 --> 01:49:56.810
he's... He's got a good father. I think he's

01:49:56.810 --> 01:49:59.550
got a kid, right? He's got three kids, and one

01:49:59.550 --> 01:50:03.430
of them's a ranger, and the other one broke David

01:50:03.430 --> 01:50:05.729
Goggins' pull -up record. Yep. Yeah, savages,

01:50:05.810 --> 01:50:07.550
raising savages, and he's got a beautiful daughter,

01:50:07.569 --> 01:50:10.649
too, who's brilliant. He's a man. I mean, he's

01:50:10.649 --> 01:50:14.890
the fucking man. But, you know, these... He stays

01:50:14.890 --> 01:50:17.210
injury -free, sorry to interrupt, to the point

01:50:17.210 --> 01:50:20.359
of preservation. He's... He's a weird one, man.

01:50:20.420 --> 01:50:22.319
He doesn't make any sense. I don't know how his

01:50:22.319 --> 01:50:24.699
knees aren't trashed. David, they're pulling

01:50:24.699 --> 01:50:27.140
out giant syringes. We were highlighting on the

01:50:27.140 --> 01:50:28.720
podcast with The Undertaker how they're pulling

01:50:28.720 --> 01:50:31.279
out these giant syringes of pus from Goggins'

01:50:31.359 --> 01:50:35.020
knees. I don't know how he keeps going with those

01:50:35.020 --> 01:50:37.640
knees. Cam doesn't have those problems. One time

01:50:37.640 --> 01:50:39.359
I had to bring him to the doctor. We were in

01:50:39.359 --> 01:50:41.279
Vegas and went for the fights, and he had something

01:50:41.279 --> 01:50:42.659
fucked up with his foot. It turned out he had

01:50:42.659 --> 01:50:45.319
a stress fracture. He didn't even stop running.

01:50:46.430 --> 01:50:47.909
He didn't even stop running when he had a stress

01:50:47.909 --> 01:50:53.130
fracture. He on purpose constructs situations

01:50:53.130 --> 01:50:57.189
where others, including himself, thinks that

01:50:57.189 --> 01:51:00.130
this is a bad idea and pushes through it. Oh,

01:51:00.130 --> 01:51:03.750
dude. Here's another thing. The bow hunting community

01:51:03.750 --> 01:51:07.930
doesn't know what to do with him. There's people

01:51:07.930 --> 01:51:10.829
in the bow hunting community that don't like

01:51:10.829 --> 01:51:15.479
what he does because he works out so hard. here's

01:51:15.479 --> 01:51:19.159
the thing when you see cam haynes you see a guy

01:51:19.159 --> 01:51:21.380
who's like this fitness endurance athlete but

01:51:21.380 --> 01:51:24.220
that's deceiving because although he is those

01:51:24.220 --> 01:51:28.460
things he is those things to be the best bow

01:51:28.460 --> 01:51:31.720
hunter on earth and he makes a there's a real

01:51:31.720 --> 01:51:34.020
argument that he's the greatest bow hunter of

01:51:34.020 --> 01:51:37.520
all time like if if you ask me i'm i love him

01:51:37.520 --> 01:51:40.489
to death but if i wasn't his friend And I was

01:51:40.489 --> 01:51:42.750
on the outside looking at him, and I'm like,

01:51:42.789 --> 01:51:44.529
who's the greatest bowhunter of all time? I'm

01:51:44.529 --> 01:51:48.109
like, it might be Cam Haines. Like, it is a real

01:51:48.109 --> 01:51:50.029
argument. Like, there's a couple of guys in the

01:51:50.029 --> 01:51:52.289
running. John Dudley's in the running. Fred Bear

01:51:52.289 --> 01:51:54.630
is the legend. There's a few of these guys, these,

01:51:54.649 --> 01:51:59.369
like, legendary bowhunters. But this guy is so

01:51:59.369 --> 01:52:02.250
successful, like, insanely successful every year,

01:52:02.350 --> 01:52:05.029
every year in the most difficult pursuit. It's

01:52:05.029 --> 01:52:08.550
really hard to be successful. Bow hunting elk

01:52:08.550 --> 01:52:11.090
in the mountains. It's hard. He's successful

01:52:11.090 --> 01:52:16.090
every year. And he pulls a 90 -pound bow. Now,

01:52:16.130 --> 01:52:18.970
you can't even buy a 90 -pound bow from most

01:52:18.970 --> 01:52:22.869
bow companies. They won't make you one. But he

01:52:22.869 --> 01:52:26.909
fucking strong -arms them into making him a 90

01:52:26.909 --> 01:52:29.550
-pound bow. So all these other bow companies,

01:52:29.750 --> 01:52:32.170
or all these other bow hunters rather, a few

01:52:32.170 --> 01:52:33.890
of them that are kind of butthurt and jealous,

01:52:34.069 --> 01:52:38.270
are mad. that he is telling people he has a 90

01:52:38.270 --> 01:52:42.329
-pound bow. My question is, do you think you're

01:52:42.329 --> 01:52:46.210
as strong as him? And if you don't, what do you

01:52:46.210 --> 01:52:49.210
give a fuck if he's pulling 90 pounds and you're

01:52:49.210 --> 01:52:52.170
pulling 70 pounds? Are we trying to pretend that

01:52:52.170 --> 01:52:54.329
we're all the same strength? Are we trying to

01:52:54.329 --> 01:52:56.920
pretend? because that seems silly to me because

01:52:56.920 --> 01:52:58.680
i know a lot of really fucking strong people

01:52:58.680 --> 01:53:00.619
that are way stronger than me i don't want to

01:53:00.619 --> 01:53:02.180
pretend that i'm the same strength as them and

01:53:02.180 --> 01:53:03.600
if i found out there was a guy out there that

01:53:03.600 --> 01:53:06.000
pulls 150 pound bow but he's like built like

01:53:06.000 --> 01:53:08.680
the undertaker and he weighs 300 pounds i'd go

01:53:08.680 --> 01:53:11.800
oh okay that makes sense that's like me pulling

01:53:11.800 --> 01:53:14.720
uh you know a 90 pound bow or 100 pound bow that

01:53:14.720 --> 01:53:18.199
would be easy for me But for him, a 150 -pound

01:53:18.199 --> 01:53:20.119
bow would probably be just as easy. Because he's

01:53:20.119 --> 01:53:22.720
fucking giant. Cam Haynes is working out every

01:53:22.720 --> 01:53:24.739
day. You've got a problem with him pulling a

01:53:24.739 --> 01:53:26.640
90 -pound bow. You don't really have a problem

01:53:26.640 --> 01:53:29.439
with that. Your problem is with yourself. Your

01:53:29.439 --> 01:53:31.100
problem is that you know you can't really do

01:53:31.100 --> 01:53:33.119
that. And it bothers people. So there's this

01:53:33.119 --> 01:53:36.130
weird ego thing in the bow hunting world. where

01:53:36.130 --> 01:53:38.770
they get upset at him because he's a legitimate

01:53:38.770 --> 01:53:42.550
psycho. Because he literally does get up at 4

01:53:42.550 --> 01:53:44.470
o 'clock in the morning, run in the rain in the

01:53:44.470 --> 01:53:47.270
dark, puts in a half a marathon before work,

01:53:47.449 --> 01:53:50.590
goes to work, puts in another 10 miles during

01:53:50.590 --> 01:53:53.579
lunchtime. He's a real psycho. Yeah, and I like

01:53:53.579 --> 01:53:56.720
Goggins. The way he's an inspiration to me is

01:53:56.720 --> 01:54:00.840
in how easy he makes it look. Smiles. He just

01:54:00.840 --> 01:54:04.460
smiles. Stoic. He's just nice. Yeah. He's just

01:54:04.460 --> 01:54:06.340
a nice human. Stay hard! There's none of that.

01:54:06.479 --> 01:54:08.800
None of that. Have a good day, everybody. He's

01:54:08.800 --> 01:54:13.279
out there running. In some sense, I don't follow

01:54:13.279 --> 01:54:20.829
David Cain's say. Cam Haines. Cam Haines. That's

01:54:20.829 --> 01:54:22.289
that whiskey talking. That's that whiskey talking.

01:54:22.409 --> 01:54:25.729
One, two drinks. Is because he doesn't get me

01:54:25.729 --> 01:54:27.949
ass pumped up. He's just an example I'd love

01:54:27.949 --> 01:54:30.550
to live up to. There's something about the David

01:54:30.550 --> 01:54:34.229
Goggins of just like, listen, motherfucker. You

01:54:34.229 --> 01:54:36.869
gotta look at your demons. Make them your bitch.

01:54:37.289 --> 01:54:42.949
It wakes you up. He's much more outwardly inspirational

01:54:42.949 --> 01:54:47.979
because he... But he takes a lot of pleasure

01:54:47.979 --> 01:54:51.640
in pumping people up. There's a beautiful – so

01:54:51.640 --> 01:54:54.100
he's got – I think she's a girlfriend, but she

01:54:54.100 --> 01:54:55.939
might be a wife. I apologize if I don't know.

01:54:55.960 --> 01:54:58.880
Dave's wife? His wife? Yeah, his wife. Okay.

01:54:59.340 --> 01:55:02.260
So they have – she's more and more becoming part

01:55:02.260 --> 01:55:05.039
of his Instagram thing. And there's just like

01:55:05.039 --> 01:55:08.079
this magical, in terms of relationship, moment

01:55:08.079 --> 01:55:12.479
where she's filming him for his Instagram. They're

01:55:12.479 --> 01:55:14.000
supposed to go out to dinner or something, like

01:55:14.000 --> 01:55:17.520
a nice thing. And he... Is that when he's doing

01:55:17.520 --> 01:55:19.439
push -ups? He's doing push -ups, yeah. In a puddle

01:55:19.439 --> 01:55:23.619
of sweat on the carpet? That is the most... Just

01:55:23.619 --> 01:55:25.680
like there's a romantic element of just like,

01:55:25.739 --> 01:55:29.119
this is what I have to live with. But I also

01:55:29.119 --> 01:55:31.819
love this man from her perspective. And also

01:55:31.819 --> 01:55:35.539
there's this picture of Goggins who's like, I

01:55:35.539 --> 01:55:37.359
don't give a fuck. I'm getting these push -ups

01:55:37.359 --> 01:55:42.550
in. And he didn't really plan it. He's just there

01:55:42.550 --> 01:55:45.029
in the corner. He's almost like, why are you

01:55:45.029 --> 01:55:48.409
filming me right now? Just let me deal with my

01:55:48.409 --> 01:55:50.310
demons. Look at this guy right here. I'm surprised

01:55:50.310 --> 01:55:58.630
he has a bed. He's shaking his arms out while

01:55:58.630 --> 01:56:01.649
he's doing these fucking push -ups. And with

01:56:01.649 --> 01:56:03.859
that time limit. I know what that feels like.

01:56:03.920 --> 01:56:06.260
My wife and I had dinner with him and his wife

01:56:06.260 --> 01:56:10.319
and a couple other folks after UFC. The Vegas

01:56:10.319 --> 01:56:13.579
one. Yeah, pre -pandemic, before all the shit

01:56:13.579 --> 01:56:16.180
went down. And she was like, he's nice. He's

01:56:16.180 --> 01:56:18.319
normal. He eats bread. That's what she kept saying.

01:56:18.500 --> 01:56:20.779
My wife was like, he eats bread. She thought

01:56:20.779 --> 01:56:22.640
he'd be like a fucking fire -breathing demon.

01:56:23.880 --> 01:56:26.960
but he's fun like he's a fun guy i've hung out

01:56:26.960 --> 01:56:29.659
with him a bunch of times he just gets the work

01:56:29.659 --> 01:56:31.859
done he just gets drops down to the push -ups

01:56:31.859 --> 01:56:35.000
and that well you know he knows that you know

01:56:35.000 --> 01:56:37.279
there's my expression conquer your inner bitch

01:56:37.279 --> 01:56:39.899
yeah he knows he's got an inner bitch and you

01:56:39.899 --> 01:56:42.279
know he goes he goes it ain't easy sometimes

01:56:42.279 --> 01:56:45.100
i look at my sneakers and i stare at those motherfuckers

01:56:45.100 --> 01:56:48.600
for a half hour before i put them on but just

01:56:48.600 --> 01:56:51.460
that admission that this is not he's not a robot

01:56:52.079 --> 01:56:57.640
But he gets everything a robot does done. You

01:56:57.640 --> 01:57:00.359
know, he can do it. Like as if he was, like he

01:57:00.359 --> 01:57:03.500
pushes his mind to do things that the body does

01:57:03.500 --> 01:57:07.779
not want to do. So he almost in some ways behaves

01:57:07.779 --> 01:57:10.699
like a robot. But the value, one of the values

01:57:10.699 --> 01:57:13.520
in Dave, multiple values in Dave, one of the

01:57:13.520 --> 01:57:16.020
values is that he lets you know that he's not

01:57:16.020 --> 01:57:18.600
a robot. He lets you know that he's got that

01:57:18.600 --> 01:57:21.029
little bitch inside of him talking to him. yeah

01:57:21.029 --> 01:57:23.590
he's uh i've gotten the fortune to actually interact

01:57:23.590 --> 01:57:26.510
with him on the kind of the struggle side of

01:57:26.510 --> 01:57:30.489
things and he's definitely still it's not an

01:57:30.489 --> 01:57:33.750
act no he's still personally struggling with

01:57:33.750 --> 01:57:35.810
some shit oh he's working through it oh yeah

01:57:35.810 --> 01:57:38.149
yeah he gets angry in certain kinds of ways that's

01:57:38.149 --> 01:57:42.869
like oh shit like so this is me for example going

01:57:42.869 --> 01:57:46.310
out and running with him there's this uh you

01:57:46.310 --> 01:57:49.760
know the movie casino It's this badass movie

01:57:49.760 --> 01:57:53.739
with Robert De Niro and Joe Pesci and Sharon

01:57:53.739 --> 01:57:56.079
Stone, I think. Yeah. Yeah. And they meet up.

01:57:56.739 --> 01:57:59.819
James Woods, too. James Woods is Sharon Stone's

01:57:59.819 --> 01:58:02.939
pimp. Oh, that's right. Good memory. That's a

01:58:02.939 --> 01:58:05.079
badass movie. God, I miss movies like that. That's

01:58:05.079 --> 01:58:07.920
another one. My wife loves that movie. Yeah.

01:58:08.640 --> 01:58:11.300
I've seen that movie multiple times against my

01:58:11.300 --> 01:58:14.239
will. Oh, you don't like that one? No, I do.

01:58:14.279 --> 01:58:16.199
I like it. Is this like a scent of a woman situation?

01:58:16.659 --> 01:58:19.789
No, it's like... There's certain movies that,

01:58:19.869 --> 01:58:22.189
like, I've watched John Wick maybe a hundred

01:58:22.189 --> 01:58:24.630
times. Yeah, you did. Like, legitimately. Not

01:58:24.630 --> 01:58:27.310
that great of a movie. Shut your fucking hole,

01:58:27.510 --> 01:58:33.050
you Russian traitor. You're wearing the uniform.

01:58:33.250 --> 01:58:35.630
What? You're wearing a John Wick uniform. There's

01:58:35.630 --> 01:58:38.510
other people that wear this. No, no, no. No one

01:58:38.510 --> 01:58:42.350
does it better. He is dreamy, I will admit that.

01:58:42.409 --> 01:58:44.489
Kanye West is dreamy. He once killed three men

01:58:44.489 --> 01:58:48.380
in a bar with a pencil. Yeah. With a fucking

01:58:48.380 --> 01:58:52.399
pencil. Is that historically accurate? That fucking

01:58:52.399 --> 01:58:56.539
movie is so... If you like to work out and you

01:58:56.539 --> 01:58:59.279
want to get fired up, that scene at the Russian

01:58:59.279 --> 01:59:01.720
bathhouse at the Red Circle bar where he kills

01:59:01.720 --> 01:59:07.020
everybody, that fucking movie is so good. How

01:59:07.020 --> 01:59:11.699
do you say Chad's last name? Chad... That guy...

01:59:12.430 --> 01:59:15.329
I always fuck up the pronunciation of his name.

01:59:15.369 --> 01:59:21.369
It's very confusing here. Hold on. Chad... S

01:59:21.369 --> 01:59:25.609
-T -A -H -E -L -S -K -I. He's going to get mad

01:59:25.609 --> 01:59:27.930
because I say his name all the time. I communicate

01:59:27.930 --> 01:59:32.069
with him. We text. I met him at Taron Tactical.

01:59:32.090 --> 01:59:35.010
I shot guns with him. Where they taught Keanu

01:59:35.010 --> 01:59:38.819
Reeves how to shoot guns. But... What pumps you

01:59:38.819 --> 01:59:42.260
up more, the shooting guns or the fighting, the

01:59:42.260 --> 01:59:45.020
martial arts, the judo? He does pretty good judo

01:59:45.020 --> 01:59:46.800
and jiu -jitsu, which is, I got to give him credit

01:59:46.800 --> 01:59:49.880
for that. It's madness. It's a masterpiece of

01:59:49.880 --> 01:59:53.819
violence. If you want a revenge movie, they stole

01:59:53.819 --> 01:59:56.239
his car and killed his dog. Killed his dog. And

01:59:56.239 --> 01:59:58.579
so he kills everybody. I get it. I mean everybody.

01:59:58.720 --> 02:00:00.939
It's a fucking great movie. Do you want him to

02:00:00.939 --> 02:00:04.300
also wear some pointy ears and wear a cape? Because

02:00:04.300 --> 02:00:06.500
they'll probably... make you even more excited.

02:00:06.560 --> 02:00:08.939
No, it wouldn't. Because a real movie about drama

02:00:08.939 --> 02:00:11.479
involves something like Casino, where it's like

02:00:11.479 --> 02:00:13.460
real men. I don't need it to be real. I live

02:00:13.460 --> 02:00:16.060
a real life, bro. That's why I like superhero

02:00:16.060 --> 02:00:18.079
movies. People are like, didn't I like real life?

02:00:18.159 --> 02:00:20.199
Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I live a real life, pussy.

02:00:22.880 --> 02:00:25.279
Listen, speaking of which, you couldn't even

02:00:25.279 --> 02:00:27.800
get yourself in a John Wick suit, so you're struggling.

02:00:28.189 --> 02:00:30.069
Listen, you can't even live up to the idea. I

02:00:30.069 --> 02:00:32.890
have a John Wick suit that fits me. Yeah. But

02:00:32.890 --> 02:00:36.069
the fucking... You're more like the Hulk. You

02:00:36.069 --> 02:00:38.569
just rip that thing apart. I'm a juice head.

02:00:38.630 --> 02:00:40.430
That's the problem. I lift too much weights.

02:00:40.590 --> 02:00:43.010
Talking a lot of shit. This fucking scene here

02:00:43.010 --> 02:00:45.649
in the Russian bathhouse. Boom, boom. Two of

02:00:45.649 --> 02:00:49.010
the... Come on, son. You want to go before that.

02:00:49.390 --> 02:00:52.210
Is this what it is in the YouTube video? Go way

02:00:52.210 --> 02:00:54.569
before when he stabs the guy. There it is. Right

02:00:54.569 --> 02:00:57.859
there. Right there. He's... This... When... He

02:00:57.859 --> 02:01:01.279
stabs the guy under his chin and looks him in

02:01:01.279 --> 02:01:03.859
the eye. Watch this. All clear? Da. Da. Watch

02:01:03.859 --> 02:01:05.739
this. Right here. This is one of my favorites.

02:01:05.960 --> 02:01:09.100
When I was involved in this Sober October challenge

02:01:09.100 --> 02:01:11.399
with my friends. Right here. Look at it. Right

02:01:11.399 --> 02:01:12.119
in the eyes. That's what you were thinking about.

02:01:12.220 --> 02:01:14.819
I watched this a hundred times in a row. I just

02:01:14.819 --> 02:01:16.619
kept watching it over and over and over again

02:01:16.619 --> 02:01:19.920
when I was on the elliptical machine. Oh, but

02:01:19.920 --> 02:01:22.100
how's the carnivore thing going? Great. It's

02:01:22.100 --> 02:01:24.829
going great. You still... I keep cheating, though.

02:01:24.949 --> 02:01:26.489
I keep cheating with dessert. This is the problem

02:01:26.489 --> 02:01:28.050
with carnivore, because I've been eating carnivore,

02:01:28.090 --> 02:01:30.989
too. The problem is watching the Hollywood fight

02:01:30.989 --> 02:01:34.430
is I drink a lot of beer. Yeah. Well, look, we're

02:01:34.430 --> 02:01:37.869
drinking whiskey. Well, that's low carb. My problem

02:01:37.869 --> 02:01:41.069
is dessert. I've been eating dessert. But I'm

02:01:41.069 --> 02:01:44.869
lean. Yeah, I'm fairly lean for me. I'm probably

02:01:44.869 --> 02:01:48.270
like right now like 199 -ish, somewhere around

02:01:48.270 --> 02:01:51.869
there. But the problem is with carnivore, at

02:01:51.869 --> 02:01:55.659
least for me. It makes me feel so good and lean

02:01:55.659 --> 02:01:59.779
and focused and just energetic that when I go

02:01:59.779 --> 02:02:03.699
off the path, it hits me way harder. Yeah. And

02:02:03.699 --> 02:02:08.720
that almost enforces you to be almost too stoic

02:02:08.720 --> 02:02:11.279
to where you can't have fun. I mean, not fun.

02:02:11.439 --> 02:02:14.140
I'm not saying pigging out is fun, but there's

02:02:14.140 --> 02:02:15.840
something social about even just drinking beers

02:02:15.840 --> 02:02:19.579
or just pigging out. It does wreck your body,

02:02:19.779 --> 02:02:21.800
though. It's interesting, right? Yeah. It's weird.

02:02:22.979 --> 02:02:25.159
There's a recovery to it, but it does make you

02:02:25.159 --> 02:02:27.699
feel really good. It doesn't make any sense.

02:02:27.960 --> 02:02:30.659
It's weird, right? It jacks up your testosterone.

02:02:31.020 --> 02:02:34.140
You should get your blood work done. The thing

02:02:34.140 --> 02:02:37.000
that I find is that I don't have any crashes

02:02:37.000 --> 02:02:39.960
in the day. I'm just flat throughout the day.

02:02:40.000 --> 02:02:44.399
The real criticism is coming from people who

02:02:44.399 --> 02:02:48.500
are either... There's some people that are...

02:02:49.930 --> 02:02:52.409
They're very educated about nutrition and they

02:02:52.409 --> 02:02:55.050
have a problem with the carnivore diet. There's

02:02:55.050 --> 02:02:58.829
some evidence that points to the idea that it's

02:02:58.829 --> 02:03:02.869
unhealthy. The anecdotal evidence, though, from

02:03:02.869 --> 02:03:05.989
individuals that find great benefit in it is

02:03:05.989 --> 02:03:09.310
very compelling. And unfortunately, I'm one of

02:03:09.310 --> 02:03:12.789
those. Then there's also a lot of people that

02:03:12.789 --> 02:03:20.069
make these arguments that are not... well -founded

02:03:20.069 --> 02:03:24.609
about it being bad for the environment. And I

02:03:24.609 --> 02:03:26.810
don't necessarily think monocrop agriculture

02:03:26.810 --> 02:03:28.949
is good for the environment. I think the problem

02:03:28.949 --> 02:03:31.130
with the environment is massive amounts of human

02:03:31.130 --> 02:03:35.449
beings consuming food. And I don't believe the

02:03:35.449 --> 02:03:39.430
argument that there's no way to eat meat that's

02:03:39.430 --> 02:03:41.810
healthy for the environment because they've shown

02:03:41.810 --> 02:03:46.609
that you can do regenerative agriculture. The

02:03:46.609 --> 02:03:49.409
question is, you can get it. You can definitely

02:03:49.409 --> 02:03:53.010
buy grass -fed beef from like Joel Salatin or

02:03:53.010 --> 02:03:57.529
some Polyface Farms. There's a company, Piedmontese

02:03:57.529 --> 02:04:00.850
Farms. They just sent me some beef. You can buy,

02:04:01.130 --> 02:04:08.130
there's Rome. Is that the one that Carnivore

02:04:08.130 --> 02:04:12.119
MD? Is that his Rome ranch, right? Paul Saladino?

02:04:12.279 --> 02:04:14.859
It's funny enough. I think Ben Campo, something

02:04:14.859 --> 02:04:18.899
like that, Ben Campo's farm sent me some meat.

02:04:19.060 --> 02:04:21.260
There's like ethical ways of doing it. It's expensive,

02:04:21.460 --> 02:04:23.840
though, right? It is expensive. ButcherBox, they

02:04:23.840 --> 02:04:27.619
use all grass -fed, grass -finished beef, all

02:04:27.619 --> 02:04:32.220
from ethically responsible farmers. They have

02:04:32.220 --> 02:04:34.640
a real relationship with farmers and ranchers

02:04:34.640 --> 02:04:37.039
where they treat their animals. ethically and

02:04:37.039 --> 02:04:39.920
fairly and inhumanely. And a lot of people are

02:04:39.920 --> 02:04:41.220
like, well, how can you do that if you kill them?

02:04:41.560 --> 02:04:45.039
I understand your perspective. I understand your

02:04:45.039 --> 02:04:47.659
perspective. But the way they kill these animals

02:04:47.659 --> 02:04:50.279
is instantaneous. There's a bolt to the brain.

02:04:50.300 --> 02:04:54.279
They die instantly. And I see the argument that

02:04:54.279 --> 02:04:56.880
you should never kill a thing. But I think you

02:04:56.880 --> 02:05:00.500
need to understand that. that death for an animal

02:05:00.500 --> 02:05:03.159
that is essentially a prey animal like if you

02:05:03.159 --> 02:05:07.159
look at this uh this weird mandala this weird

02:05:07.159 --> 02:05:10.819
if you look at the the just the the range of

02:05:10.819 --> 02:05:13.800
animals on the planet there are animals that

02:05:13.800 --> 02:05:17.279
eat other animals and a cow is one of those animals

02:05:17.279 --> 02:05:20.979
that gets eaten usually by large predators the

02:05:20.979 --> 02:05:24.720
way they get eaten is horrific the best way for

02:05:24.720 --> 02:05:29.970
them to die is from human hands if that human

02:05:29.970 --> 02:05:33.710
does it correctly whether it's a hunter or whether

02:05:33.710 --> 02:05:38.449
it's a farmer there's no animals that are wild

02:05:38.449 --> 02:05:42.670
animals that live to be an animal that dies of

02:05:42.670 --> 02:05:45.210
old age or if there are there the numbers are

02:05:45.210 --> 02:05:48.569
so low it's you know it's like people that live

02:05:48.569 --> 02:05:51.829
to be 120 there's not a lot of them most animals

02:05:51.829 --> 02:05:57.699
die By starvation, by disease, or by predators.

02:05:57.979 --> 02:06:02.720
The vast majority. If someone comes along, whether

02:06:02.720 --> 02:06:07.300
it's me shooting it with an arrow, or whether

02:06:07.300 --> 02:06:12.500
it's an ethical, humane farmer, like one of the

02:06:12.500 --> 02:06:16.100
ones that ButcherBox employs, or some of these

02:06:16.100 --> 02:06:19.279
other ranchers, you can get it. The real question

02:06:19.279 --> 02:06:22.109
is not that. I mean, there's an ethical question.

02:06:22.170 --> 02:06:24.729
It's a debate, and it should be handled. You

02:06:24.729 --> 02:06:27.430
can have a respectful conversation about this.

02:06:28.029 --> 02:06:32.750
But the real question is, can that sustain 7

02:06:32.750 --> 02:06:35.729
point whatever billion people? And I don't know

02:06:35.729 --> 02:06:39.489
if it can. I don't know if that's true. I think

02:06:39.489 --> 02:06:42.569
our problem might be the massive amount of human

02:06:42.569 --> 02:06:47.350
beings and the fact that... Very few natural

02:06:47.350 --> 02:06:51.449
ways will sustain this population. Monocrop agriculture

02:06:51.449 --> 02:06:55.369
is terrible. It's terrible for the soil. It's

02:06:55.369 --> 02:06:57.170
terrible for the environment. It's terrible for

02:06:57.170 --> 02:07:03.449
wildlife. It displaces wildlife. When they harvest

02:07:03.449 --> 02:07:07.609
those crops, it's devastating to the wildlife.

02:07:07.770 --> 02:07:10.470
It's devastating to small mammals and devastating

02:07:10.470 --> 02:07:16.420
to insects, devastating to birds. Life for life

02:07:16.420 --> 02:07:19.779
is not one for one. We don't look at a mouse

02:07:19.779 --> 02:07:22.260
the same way we look at an elk. An elk is a large,

02:07:22.520 --> 02:07:24.920
what my friend Steve Rinella calls a charismatic

02:07:24.920 --> 02:07:27.500
megafauna. We look at them in a different way,

02:07:27.659 --> 02:07:30.760
but it's one to one. These larger things we think

02:07:30.760 --> 02:07:33.760
are more valuable. If I shoot one elk, I eat

02:07:33.760 --> 02:07:38.399
it for a year. Like, I give it out. Oh, do you

02:07:38.399 --> 02:07:41.119
have a place to cook? Yeah. You have an apartment?

02:07:41.260 --> 02:07:45.119
Yeah. I got food for you. I love it. I have two

02:07:45.119 --> 02:07:48.460
commercial freezers out here. I don't know how

02:07:48.460 --> 02:07:51.140
to put it towards my gratitude towards that,

02:07:51.180 --> 02:07:53.579
yeah. Good. I got a bag for you. I'm going to

02:07:53.579 --> 02:07:56.020
hook you up. I feel kind of bad about eating

02:07:56.020 --> 02:07:59.659
meat that's factory farmed. Yeah. Well, I do

02:07:59.659 --> 02:08:03.779
too. I know what you're saying. But health -wise,

02:08:03.979 --> 02:08:08.439
I think I feel better when I eat a lot of meat.

02:08:08.960 --> 02:08:12.640
I don't know if I could break apart the psychology

02:08:12.640 --> 02:08:17.170
of it. Do you struggle with it, like, ethically?

02:08:17.270 --> 02:08:20.850
Because I feel, on a personal level, really good

02:08:20.850 --> 02:08:25.069
eating meat. Yeah. And I understand. It feels...

02:08:25.069 --> 02:08:28.350
This doesn't mean, like, being a social justice

02:08:28.350 --> 02:08:30.930
warrior or signaling or something. It feels like

02:08:30.930 --> 02:08:32.829
this would be one of those things that, in 100

02:08:32.829 --> 02:08:35.869
years, we'll look back and say, this was a really

02:08:35.869 --> 02:08:38.109
fucked up thing that we did as a society. I'm

02:08:38.109 --> 02:08:41.229
not sure. This is why I'm not sure. Because...

02:08:41.600 --> 02:08:43.920
What are we going to do to control the population

02:08:43.920 --> 02:08:47.899
of these animals? Once we've established herds

02:08:47.899 --> 02:08:51.039
of cows and sheep and chickens and all these

02:08:51.039 --> 02:08:54.159
different animals that we consider livestock,

02:08:54.680 --> 02:08:58.520
how are we going to stop them from breeding?

02:08:58.920 --> 02:09:00.859
Are we going to separate them from each other?

02:09:00.960 --> 02:09:02.899
Are we going to play God? Are we going to bring

02:09:02.899 --> 02:09:05.180
in predators? What are we going to do? If we

02:09:05.180 --> 02:09:07.199
stop eating them, what are we going to do? And

02:09:07.199 --> 02:09:11.100
are we acknowledging? There's a lot of people

02:09:11.100 --> 02:09:14.720
that are vegan zealots, and they do not believe

02:09:14.720 --> 02:09:17.920
that it can be healthy to eat meat. The problem

02:09:17.920 --> 02:09:20.539
with that is, of course, that almost all elite

02:09:20.539 --> 02:09:22.859
professional athletes eat meat. There's very

02:09:22.859 --> 02:09:25.680
few exceptions. There's a few that do well, and

02:09:25.680 --> 02:09:27.439
there's also a few that try vegan diets, and

02:09:27.439 --> 02:09:30.000
their bodies wind up falling apart. And vegans

02:09:30.000 --> 02:09:31.539
hate that. They hate when you talk about it.

02:09:31.560 --> 02:09:35.779
They get angry because it's an ideology. You

02:09:35.779 --> 02:09:39.689
could say it's almost cult -like. they also have

02:09:39.689 --> 02:09:42.770
some good points like they're not killing sentient

02:09:42.770 --> 02:09:45.609
beings and they don't think of plants as being

02:09:45.609 --> 02:09:48.550
a sentient being right problem with that is of

02:09:48.550 --> 02:09:49.970
course when you do mushrooms you realize that

02:09:49.970 --> 02:09:54.210
all things are alive yeah that's what uh you

02:09:54.210 --> 02:09:56.909
i hope you get matthew johnson in your podcast

02:09:56.909 --> 02:09:59.689
by the way that guy is he the guy that did that

02:09:59.689 --> 02:10:02.390
you had on yours yeah psychedelic drugs guy yeah

02:10:02.390 --> 02:10:06.710
okay i gotta okay he opened up my mind so i've

02:10:06.710 --> 02:10:09.979
always thought psychedelics in general but psilocybin

02:10:09.979 --> 02:10:15.760
just everything dmt was um a fascinating like

02:10:15.760 --> 02:10:18.920
a fascinating way to explore the mind scientifically

02:10:18.920 --> 02:10:21.619
as well but he's the first person i might be

02:10:21.619 --> 02:10:23.739
ignorant made me realize you could actually do

02:10:23.739 --> 02:10:27.460
it as part of like like multi -million dollar

02:10:27.460 --> 02:10:32.020
funded studies and like explore it like rigorously

02:10:32.020 --> 02:10:34.840
i know it sounds weird but like seriously explore

02:10:34.840 --> 02:10:38.689
like what does Like, where can you go? He is

02:10:38.689 --> 02:10:42.430
big on doing a heroic dose of psilocybin, which

02:10:42.430 --> 02:10:44.770
apparently is legal as long as it's part of a

02:10:44.770 --> 02:10:48.630
study. And he's been studying it for purpose.

02:10:48.630 --> 02:10:52.529
50 years. No, he's a young guy, which is, like,

02:10:52.609 --> 02:10:55.909
you know, part of my excitement that this is,

02:10:55.909 --> 02:10:57.909
like, this is a legit, this is somebody that

02:10:57.909 --> 02:11:00.189
we'll be following for decades to come, I think.

02:11:00.430 --> 02:11:02.989
He's just in the early steps of a journey. He's

02:11:02.989 --> 02:11:07.470
running huge studies. One of the things that

02:11:07.470 --> 02:11:10.649
really excite me about what he's doing is he

02:11:10.649 --> 02:11:15.369
went from sort of using psychedelics or psilocybin

02:11:15.369 --> 02:11:19.090
or any of the other psychedelic drugs to explore

02:11:19.090 --> 02:11:21.909
how you can treat different mental disorders,

02:11:22.210 --> 02:11:25.609
diseases, addictions, and so on, to now pushing

02:11:25.609 --> 02:11:30.350
it towards how can it help a person who, what

02:11:30.350 --> 02:11:35.050
he calls a creative. Somebody like you, a comedian,

02:11:35.310 --> 02:11:39.010
or somebody like Elon, like engineers, like me,

02:11:39.170 --> 02:11:41.189
engineers, scientists, all that kind of stuff.

02:11:41.250 --> 02:11:43.590
How can it help the mind when you're not trying

02:11:43.590 --> 02:11:47.750
to treat some kind of explicit disorder but actually

02:11:47.750 --> 02:11:49.510
trying to expand your thinking about the world

02:11:49.510 --> 02:11:52.609
and actually doing that as a study? That's what

02:11:52.609 --> 02:11:55.149
I'm excited about, kind of waiting with just

02:11:55.149 --> 02:11:57.770
like bated breath that he runs a study that I

02:11:57.770 --> 02:12:00.909
can participate in because I'll be open to in

02:12:00.909 --> 02:12:03.029
the wild. Do you have any experiences at all?

02:12:05.119 --> 02:12:08.380
psilocybin mushrooms yeah I've taken three four

02:12:08.380 --> 02:12:13.500
times and it was I've never had actually a negative

02:12:13.500 --> 02:12:18.439
experience with drugs maybe alcohol but that

02:12:18.439 --> 02:12:23.539
was it's like it's like saying like you know

02:12:23.539 --> 02:12:26.579
it was more positive than negative I've drugs

02:12:26.579 --> 02:12:29.960
kids Don't listen to this, but drugs have done

02:12:29.960 --> 02:12:32.199
well for me. Do you listen to the podcast I did

02:12:32.199 --> 02:12:34.960
recently with Dr. Carl Hart? No. You would really

02:12:34.960 --> 02:12:37.979
enjoy it. It was a little tedious in the beginning

02:12:37.979 --> 02:12:40.560
because we were talking about politics, and it

02:12:40.560 --> 02:12:42.899
was post -Capitol Hill, and it was like, you

02:12:42.899 --> 02:12:44.859
know, he was very frustrated. But when we got

02:12:44.859 --> 02:12:48.180
into drugs, then he came alive. And we were,

02:12:48.279 --> 02:12:52.760
he's, well, his book is right here. What is his?

02:12:53.199 --> 02:12:56.140
Drug Use for Grownups. uh chasing liberty in

02:12:56.140 --> 02:12:58.800
the land of fear so that's not the sense i started

02:12:58.800 --> 02:13:00.100
listening to the podcast that's not the sense

02:13:00.100 --> 02:13:01.699
i got from the podcast when i started listening

02:13:01.699 --> 02:13:04.800
to it which is awesome because yeah i was i was

02:13:04.800 --> 02:13:07.939
hearing the politics and that yeah i should have

02:13:07.939 --> 02:13:10.510
steered us away from that quicker but i love

02:13:10.510 --> 02:13:12.489
the guy and i just wanted to let him talk and

02:13:12.489 --> 02:13:15.369
talk with him and i wanted to get us into drugs

02:13:15.369 --> 02:13:17.489
but i didn't want to just jump right into it

02:13:17.489 --> 02:13:19.949
because i felt like you know one of the things

02:13:19.949 --> 02:13:21.729
about this podcast i feel like sometimes people

02:13:21.729 --> 02:13:23.850
come on and they realize that it's this big platform

02:13:23.850 --> 02:13:26.149
and they have a lot to say and they they and

02:13:26.149 --> 02:13:28.310
when there's a thing that's happened in the news

02:13:28.310 --> 02:13:30.909
that was as ridiculous as that i shouldn't say

02:13:30.909 --> 02:13:33.409
ridiculous horrific is that capitol hill attack

02:13:33.409 --> 02:13:36.430
everybody wants to get it out of their system

02:13:36.430 --> 02:13:38.710
so we talked we talked about politics for a little

02:13:38.710 --> 02:13:42.689
bit and I felt a little clunky with my descriptions

02:13:42.689 --> 02:13:45.510
of things. But then we got into drugs. And once

02:13:45.510 --> 02:13:48.069
we got into drugs, then he shines because he

02:13:48.069 --> 02:13:51.529
was a guy who bought into all the propaganda.

02:13:51.689 --> 02:13:56.109
And, you know, he's a research scientist and

02:13:56.109 --> 02:14:00.789
a brilliant guy who wasn't into any drugs at

02:14:00.789 --> 02:14:05.109
all until he was in like his, I believe he said

02:14:05.109 --> 02:14:07.170
he was in his 30s. Is that correct, Jamie? Somewhere

02:14:07.170 --> 02:14:09.569
in there? And then, you know, now he takes drugs

02:14:09.569 --> 02:14:11.189
all the time. He's talking about the positive

02:14:11.189 --> 02:14:15.109
benefits of heroin. He had a shirt on that was

02:14:15.109 --> 02:14:18.710
the chemical compound for crystal meth. Yeah,

02:14:18.750 --> 02:14:23.050
that's, it's funny enough, like, so you talk

02:14:23.050 --> 02:14:28.649
to Avi Loeb, who's, you know, the Oumuamua, somebody

02:14:28.649 --> 02:14:31.159
who's really open to mind about that. But he's

02:14:31.159 --> 02:14:33.340
less open -minded about psychedelics and all

02:14:33.340 --> 02:14:36.039
those kinds of drugs. It's fascinating. We as

02:14:36.039 --> 02:14:38.180
a species, you talk about reaching for branches

02:14:38.180 --> 02:14:43.180
or exploring what's interesting. And I think

02:14:43.180 --> 02:14:45.680
psychedelics is a legitimate... I haven't actually

02:14:45.680 --> 02:14:51.079
tried much at all, but it feels like every time

02:14:51.079 --> 02:14:55.800
I've tried mushrooms, it makes you realize that

02:14:55.800 --> 02:14:59.000
the mind is capable of so much more than you

02:14:59.000 --> 02:15:01.640
were cognizant of. It makes me think that there's

02:15:01.640 --> 02:15:04.060
more to reality than we can grasp and that we

02:15:04.060 --> 02:15:07.020
need to help. We need something. We need a little

02:15:07.020 --> 02:15:10.579
doorway that lets us walk through to some other

02:15:10.579 --> 02:15:13.920
side, whether it's psilocybin or dimethyltryptamine

02:15:13.920 --> 02:15:17.399
or whatever the method you use. There's a lot

02:15:17.399 --> 02:15:20.340
more out there. We're very crude in our perceptions,

02:15:20.380 --> 02:15:24.500
our ability to perceive. And I think our ideas

02:15:24.500 --> 02:15:28.739
of drugs are negative ideas of drugs. are a lot

02:15:28.739 --> 02:15:32.060
of times they're they're flavored with the limitations

02:15:32.060 --> 02:15:36.699
of human personality and and human beings interfacing

02:15:36.699 --> 02:15:40.060
with the world looking for escape rather than

02:15:40.060 --> 02:15:43.779
looking to explore and looking to give in to

02:15:43.779 --> 02:15:47.979
the the mother gaia and and give in to these

02:15:47.979 --> 02:15:51.890
magical compounds And also, there's a lot of

02:15:51.890 --> 02:15:54.289
fucking charlatans, man. There's a lot of people

02:15:54.289 --> 02:15:57.250
that espouse the use of psychedelics because

02:15:57.250 --> 02:16:00.310
it makes them appear to be spiritual and it boosts

02:16:00.310 --> 02:16:04.090
their ego. And I had a conversation, I've had

02:16:04.090 --> 02:16:05.529
more than one conversation with people where

02:16:05.529 --> 02:16:07.710
they say like, you know, you don't seem like

02:16:07.710 --> 02:16:10.710
a psychedelic guy because you use a lot of fucked

02:16:10.710 --> 02:16:13.729
up words and you say a lot of shit you probably

02:16:13.729 --> 02:16:15.770
shouldn't say. I'm like, well, I'm also a comic.

02:16:16.170 --> 02:16:21.460
At the end of the day, my goal is to Look, I'm

02:16:21.460 --> 02:16:24.340
also accustomed to being around people that do

02:16:24.340 --> 02:16:27.460
what I do. Like, sometimes people get taken aback

02:16:27.460 --> 02:16:29.899
by my crude language or the way I think about

02:16:29.899 --> 02:16:33.799
things or discuss things, but my culture, my

02:16:33.799 --> 02:16:38.180
community is comics. At the end of the day, they're

02:16:38.180 --> 02:16:41.540
comics and fighters. Both of those people are

02:16:41.540 --> 02:16:43.700
used, both those groups of people in the community

02:16:43.700 --> 02:16:46.059
are used to saying some fucked up shit. It's

02:16:46.059 --> 02:16:50.469
fun for us. When you're a person who, like, there's

02:16:50.469 --> 02:16:53.010
there's people are accustomed to things like

02:16:53.010 --> 02:16:55.690
one of my favorite videos has nothing to do with

02:16:55.690 --> 02:16:58.010
psychedelics of a fighter it shows you the sense

02:16:58.010 --> 02:17:00.569
of humor of a fighter is my friend john wayne

02:17:00.569 --> 02:17:03.010
parr after a fight he's got this giant gash in

02:17:03.010 --> 02:17:04.969
his head and they're stitching him up and as

02:17:04.969 --> 02:17:06.829
they're stitching him up they're opening up his

02:17:06.829 --> 02:17:09.649
thing like a mouth and talking like hey john

02:17:09.649 --> 02:17:12.790
how was how was today yeah she's got this giant

02:17:12.790 --> 02:17:14.649
cut in his head where a lot of people be freaked

02:17:14.649 --> 02:17:16.469
out they have this cut and said he's laughing

02:17:16.469 --> 02:17:20.120
it's post fight you know There's a sense of humor

02:17:20.120 --> 02:17:23.360
that fighters have, and there's a sense of humor

02:17:23.360 --> 02:17:26.159
that comedians have, and I'm sure first responders,

02:17:26.440 --> 02:17:28.860
firefighters, a lot of soldiers that I'm friends

02:17:28.860 --> 02:17:30.959
with, they have a different sense of humor too

02:17:30.959 --> 02:17:32.920
because they've seen a lot of wild shit and a

02:17:32.920 --> 02:17:37.860
lot of violence. They use... There's a style

02:17:37.860 --> 02:17:43.780
of communication that for a lot of people that

02:17:43.780 --> 02:17:48.590
just live a more... pedantic a more pedestrian

02:17:48.590 --> 02:17:54.569
a more a more placid life they don't they don't

02:17:54.569 --> 02:17:57.469
they're uncomfortable by it yeah i actually look

02:17:57.469 --> 02:18:00.309
to humor i think humor will save the world i

02:18:00.309 --> 02:18:04.649
think that mentioned that's only one of them

02:18:04.649 --> 02:18:07.370
that's only one of them the other one was on

02:18:07.370 --> 02:18:11.540
the side of his head He had one where they were

02:18:11.540 --> 02:18:14.200
stitching him up. It was above his left eyebrow,

02:18:14.280 --> 02:18:16.639
and it was giant. John's had more than 100 stitches

02:18:16.639 --> 02:18:19.219
in his head. I mean, way more than 100 stitches,

02:18:19.280 --> 02:18:22.920
like hundreds of stitches in his face. Yeah,

02:18:22.940 --> 02:18:25.899
the people that have been through the worst shit

02:18:25.899 --> 02:18:30.059
that I've had a connection with in my life, they

02:18:30.059 --> 02:18:32.559
always have a dark sense of humor about them,

02:18:32.780 --> 02:18:36.399
and it's a kind of escape. No, it's not an escape.

02:18:36.700 --> 02:18:40.100
It's actually... It's a release valve. But not

02:18:40.100 --> 02:18:44.219
even. It's almost a way to embrace the dual nature

02:18:44.219 --> 02:18:46.479
of life, that it can be really shitty and really

02:18:46.479 --> 02:18:48.700
beautiful. Yeah. Because of the ups and downs.

02:18:48.860 --> 02:18:50.819
And somehow, I don't know what it is about humor.

02:18:51.299 --> 02:18:54.780
There's something about it that... just reveals

02:18:54.780 --> 02:18:58.079
that, the rollercoaster of life. The best of

02:18:58.079 --> 02:19:00.700
it. Right now, the big one, of course, is the

02:19:00.700 --> 02:19:04.319
whole cancel culture and the hypocrisy within

02:19:04.319 --> 02:19:09.120
politics. And so comedy, that's why it sucks

02:19:09.120 --> 02:19:13.040
that coronavirus is keeping a lot of comedians

02:19:13.040 --> 02:19:17.030
locked up. you know comedy is a way to reveal

02:19:17.030 --> 02:19:20.090
that ridiculousness and I suppose like podcasts

02:19:20.090 --> 02:19:23.309
are doing that they are but you know there's

02:19:23.309 --> 02:19:24.729
a lot of comedians that are back on the road

02:19:24.729 --> 02:19:26.430
now they're like fuck it I can't do this anymore

02:19:26.430 --> 02:19:30.590
and doing like hearing your show with Chappelle

02:19:30.590 --> 02:19:36.340
was like that was so refreshing actually I won't

02:19:36.340 --> 02:19:38.200
say what it is, but Ron White was on the show.

02:19:38.760 --> 02:19:41.139
He said the most, and I was fortunate enough

02:19:41.139 --> 02:19:44.540
to sit next to your wife, and he said the most

02:19:44.540 --> 02:19:49.940
inappropriate joke. And it was so refreshing

02:19:49.940 --> 02:19:53.360
for some reason. It was like a kind of escape.

02:19:53.680 --> 02:19:58.319
I know what you mean. We've been taking ourselves

02:19:58.319 --> 02:20:02.569
so seriously in this very... in this very kind

02:20:02.569 --> 02:20:05.209
of careful discourse in the public sphere that

02:20:05.209 --> 02:20:08.030
like comedians provide this kind of like, they

02:20:08.030 --> 02:20:10.049
point out the elephant in the room. Yes. Like

02:20:10.049 --> 02:20:13.129
this is absurd. Yeah. Yeah. And sometimes that

02:20:13.129 --> 02:20:15.549
requires going over the top and that's, it made

02:20:15.549 --> 02:20:19.670
me, yeah, it made me miss the world as it was.

02:20:20.110 --> 02:20:22.930
It'll be back again and the real ones like Ron

02:20:22.930 --> 02:20:26.010
White and Dave Chappelle, they'll be raging stronger

02:20:26.010 --> 02:20:27.690
than ever because people are going to appreciate

02:20:27.690 --> 02:20:29.030
it and they're going to realize, oh my God, this

02:20:29.030 --> 02:20:31.860
is the way out. We need to stop. Getting angry

02:20:31.860 --> 02:20:34.319
about everything. And we need to start embracing

02:20:34.319 --> 02:20:40.180
humor. It's important. There's a broad spectrum

02:20:40.180 --> 02:20:43.920
of human thought. And we can't just live in the

02:20:43.920 --> 02:20:47.579
fucking range of outrage. That range is a shitty

02:20:47.579 --> 02:20:50.840
range. That range that so many people exist in.

02:20:50.920 --> 02:20:52.479
And one of the reasons why they exist in that

02:20:52.479 --> 02:20:55.819
range, the outrage range, is because they're

02:20:55.819 --> 02:20:58.200
doing it online. It's not a real way of communicating.

02:20:59.149 --> 02:21:01.229
Because of the fact that everyone's been separated

02:21:01.229 --> 02:21:05.969
from just normal, regular interactions with folks.

02:21:06.690 --> 02:21:08.729
You know, I remember like I would feel like when

02:21:08.729 --> 02:21:12.309
I was when I first moved to L .A., I didn't have

02:21:12.309 --> 02:21:15.270
any friends and I would feel real weird. You

02:21:15.270 --> 02:21:17.750
know, I would be I had a furnished apartment.

02:21:17.930 --> 02:21:19.770
So it wasn't really it didn't ever felt like

02:21:19.770 --> 02:21:21.969
mine. It felt like a hotel. So there's this place

02:21:21.969 --> 02:21:24.850
called Oakwoods, these Oakwoods apartments in

02:21:24.850 --> 02:21:29.139
Burbank. I think it was in Burbank. um but wherever

02:21:29.139 --> 02:21:32.000
it was i was staying in these apartments and

02:21:32.000 --> 02:21:35.680
it was just it was weird man just felt i felt

02:21:35.680 --> 02:21:37.700
weird like what am i doing here and then i would

02:21:37.700 --> 02:21:39.840
go to the comedy store and i'd be around people

02:21:39.840 --> 02:21:44.819
and i'd be around like -minded misfits and we'd

02:21:44.819 --> 02:21:47.040
all be laughing and i would be like almost like

02:21:47.040 --> 02:21:48.959
somebody took like a weighted vest off of me

02:21:48.959 --> 02:21:51.879
like I'm going to be okay. It's going to be okay.

02:21:52.139 --> 02:21:54.100
And then, you know, it felt weird again the next

02:21:54.100 --> 02:21:55.520
day. Then I had to go to the comic store again.

02:21:56.579 --> 02:21:59.000
We need each other. We need each other, but we

02:21:59.000 --> 02:22:00.940
need each other person to person. And there was

02:22:00.940 --> 02:22:03.500
no social media back then, which if there was,

02:22:03.500 --> 02:22:05.680
I'd probably be just like a lot of these fucking

02:22:05.680 --> 02:22:07.940
idiots that are online raging about the world

02:22:07.940 --> 02:22:10.079
and looking for acceptance and looking for social

02:22:10.079 --> 02:22:12.799
justice brownie points and virtue signaling and

02:22:12.799 --> 02:22:16.000
any. any turn, hoping that it gets me some love

02:22:16.000 --> 02:22:18.020
and likes. Because that's what people are doing.

02:22:18.159 --> 02:22:20.000
They think they're doing it because they're trying

02:22:20.000 --> 02:22:22.139
to correct the world, but they really don't understand

02:22:22.139 --> 02:22:24.860
that they're contributing to the polarizing aspect

02:22:24.860 --> 02:22:28.360
of today's culture and climate. We need to be

02:22:28.360 --> 02:22:30.579
around each other. Can I ask you a weird question?

02:22:30.860 --> 02:22:35.620
Sure. So I've been a fan of your podcast for

02:22:35.620 --> 02:22:40.360
a long time. I listen to, as I listen to most

02:22:40.360 --> 02:22:43.459
episodes, Was it the one with Giannis, I think

02:22:43.459 --> 02:22:45.659
it was? Giannis Papas. Yeah, by the way. All

02:22:45.659 --> 02:22:49.379
right, thank you. He's hilarious. He's awesome.

02:22:50.120 --> 02:22:52.000
He's a great Twitter follow, too. Yeah, yeah.

02:22:52.299 --> 02:22:56.360
I got to. Cheers. I got to actually go to the

02:22:56.360 --> 02:22:59.370
show with him. I was at the table with him. I'm

02:22:59.370 --> 02:23:02.149
also a big fan of his podcast. I think it's called...

02:23:02.149 --> 02:23:05.590
History Hyenas. History Hyenas, yeah. It's like

02:23:05.590 --> 02:23:08.190
the complete opposite of Dan Carlin. It's just

02:23:08.190 --> 02:23:11.110
like comedians shooting the shit over. But that

02:23:11.110 --> 02:23:16.629
said about World War II and Greek, Crete, people

02:23:16.629 --> 02:23:21.030
should like read... The Greeks are bad motherfuckers.

02:23:21.049 --> 02:23:25.290
Oh, yeah. Jesus. I was surprised how much they

02:23:25.290 --> 02:23:29.620
contributed to just... pushing back. There's

02:23:29.620 --> 02:23:32.739
a lot to discuss there, but they helped stall

02:23:32.739 --> 02:23:38.659
the Nazis in the fact that it took them much

02:23:38.659 --> 02:23:42.700
longer to then, after conquering Crete, they

02:23:42.700 --> 02:23:47.879
had to go to Russia, and they succeeded. The

02:23:47.879 --> 02:23:51.579
Greeks successfully... stalled the Nazis to where

02:23:51.579 --> 02:23:53.799
most of the war was in the winter pushing towards

02:23:53.799 --> 02:23:56.579
Stalingrad this fascinating history there I always

02:23:56.579 --> 02:23:58.780
love the kind of 300 where you stand back and

02:23:58.780 --> 02:24:01.360
like just a few people are able to fight back

02:24:01.360 --> 02:24:05.879
the the storm of evil yeah that's always badass

02:24:05.879 --> 02:24:08.959
that movie's amazing too it's so fantastical

02:24:08.959 --> 02:24:12.110
and ridiculous and over the top but But just

02:24:12.110 --> 02:24:14.889
fun. Yeah. But anyway, there's something about

02:24:14.889 --> 02:24:18.750
him. It must have been the whiskey. There's a

02:24:18.750 --> 02:24:21.149
sadness that I've heard over the past couple

02:24:21.149 --> 02:24:24.750
months. From Giannis? No, from you. Really? I

02:24:24.750 --> 02:24:27.870
might be wrong on that. I wanted to ask, because

02:24:27.870 --> 02:24:30.190
you mentioned about friendships in L .A. and

02:24:30.190 --> 02:24:37.010
so on. Are you doing okay? Yeah, I'm fine. I'm

02:24:37.010 --> 02:24:40.079
remarkably resilient. Despite the fact that I

02:24:40.079 --> 02:24:43.700
fucked up the word remarkably. Grammar could

02:24:43.700 --> 02:24:47.020
use some work. Yeah, pronunciation. I feel great.

02:24:47.180 --> 02:24:50.079
You feel good. Yeah. Where are you getting that

02:24:50.079 --> 02:24:53.799
sadness thing from? I think, so what I heard,

02:24:53.920 --> 02:24:56.200
maybe a slight romantic thing. You brought up

02:24:56.200 --> 02:25:00.260
your wife and so on. And there was just a longing

02:25:00.260 --> 02:25:04.440
for human connection. About her? No, not your

02:25:04.440 --> 02:25:08.420
wife. in the way you were talking about things.

02:25:10.219 --> 02:25:13.860
I don't know. That stood out to me more than

02:25:13.860 --> 02:25:16.540
usual. Usually it was like Joey Diaz shooting

02:25:16.540 --> 02:25:20.000
shit for the years, right? It just felt like

02:25:20.000 --> 02:25:23.659
you were more, I mean, I guess we all grow and

02:25:23.659 --> 02:25:27.139
change. It felt like you were, I don't want to

02:25:27.139 --> 02:25:31.319
say softened up, but there's a sadness in there

02:25:31.319 --> 02:25:33.959
a little bit. Well, I think sometimes I mourn

02:25:33.959 --> 02:25:37.680
for the death of L .A. I really do. And I think

02:25:37.680 --> 02:25:39.760
when I'm around comics sometimes, particularly

02:25:39.760 --> 02:25:42.159
comics like Yana, so I met at the comedy store.

02:25:42.579 --> 02:25:45.780
There is a part of me that gets this part where

02:25:45.780 --> 02:25:50.040
I'm like, God damn it. This is gone. It's gone,

02:25:50.319 --> 02:25:55.680
man. LA's gone. My friend Brendan Schaub was

02:25:55.680 --> 02:25:57.729
just... He drove his bike down to the comic store

02:25:57.729 --> 02:25:59.549
the other day. He was texting me. He was like,

02:25:59.610 --> 02:26:01.950
dude, this is The Walking Dead. It is so fucked

02:26:01.950 --> 02:26:03.889
up down here now. There's nothing open. It's

02:26:03.889 --> 02:26:06.709
so strange. It's so weird. It feels so dangerous

02:26:06.709 --> 02:26:11.450
and so different than it used to feel. I mean...

02:26:11.450 --> 02:26:15.489
Do people feel that way? Also sad to see about

02:26:15.489 --> 02:26:18.250
New York. It's just so... Why do you think it

02:26:18.250 --> 02:26:21.309
was when I was talking about my wife? Because

02:26:21.309 --> 02:26:23.579
you don't usually bring up your wife. I think

02:26:23.579 --> 02:26:25.159
it was because he was talking about his or something

02:26:25.159 --> 02:26:28.280
like that. I know, but he was hilariously enough.

02:26:28.299 --> 02:26:32.719
He was talking about something about him becoming

02:26:32.719 --> 02:26:39.040
famous and trying to plan ahead that if he's

02:26:39.040 --> 02:26:42.299
going to continue being married, like prenup

02:26:42.299 --> 02:26:44.260
style, he wants to make sure that there's...

02:26:44.260 --> 02:26:46.520
I mean, he's just laughing. But there's just,

02:26:46.620 --> 02:26:48.540
I don't know, there's a melancholic kind of longing

02:26:48.540 --> 02:26:51.479
for... Like Louis C .K. has this bit where he's

02:26:51.479 --> 02:26:56.489
like... i think he talks about uh like listening

02:26:56.489 --> 02:26:58.270
to bruce springsteen and pulling out to the side

02:26:58.270 --> 02:27:00.329
of the road and crying or something every once

02:27:00.329 --> 02:27:03.530
in a while just like remembering that life is

02:27:03.530 --> 02:27:07.010
like both beautiful and tragic there's just that

02:27:07.010 --> 02:27:10.850
you don't usually hear from um from you well

02:27:10.850 --> 02:27:13.170
um i mean maybe we were drinking and that's part

02:27:13.170 --> 02:27:15.930
of it um the reason why i don't bring my wife

02:27:15.930 --> 02:27:18.340
up too much she doesn't really like it I talk

02:27:18.340 --> 02:27:22.200
about her. I'll say something fucked up. So I

02:27:22.200 --> 02:27:28.680
try to hedge my bets with that. In your show,

02:27:28.739 --> 02:27:30.520
you brought up your wife. I won't mention the

02:27:30.520 --> 02:27:33.799
bits or whatever. All those jokes. She gets upset

02:27:33.799 --> 02:27:37.180
at those too. She was laughing. I looked over

02:27:37.180 --> 02:27:40.520
at her to make sure it's cool. She's a great

02:27:40.520 --> 02:27:44.040
person. She makes me a better person. She really

02:27:44.040 --> 02:27:47.350
does. I don't say that lightly. You know, if

02:27:47.350 --> 02:27:49.389
I didn't think I didn't like her, I wouldn't

02:27:49.389 --> 02:27:51.590
be. Well, see, I say I wouldn't be around, but

02:27:51.590 --> 02:27:53.790
I would. And one of the reasons why I would is

02:27:53.790 --> 02:27:56.030
because I have kids. And I think there's a there's

02:27:56.030 --> 02:27:59.770
a thing that there's like this is my girlfriend.

02:27:59.870 --> 02:28:02.270
And then then then there's this is the mother

02:28:02.270 --> 02:28:04.110
of my children. And it is a fucking different

02:28:04.110 --> 02:28:07.350
animal, man. It's a different animal. You know,

02:28:07.350 --> 02:28:09.950
it's like a lot of people said, like, you know,

02:28:09.969 --> 02:28:11.989
you never really you thought marriage was stupid.

02:28:12.030 --> 02:28:14.170
And then then you decide to get married. Well,

02:28:14.309 --> 02:28:19.450
I had children. I had children. Whatever I think

02:28:19.450 --> 02:28:22.950
is stupid about marriage, I think the idea of

02:28:22.950 --> 02:28:26.790
committing to someone is not stupid. But the

02:28:26.790 --> 02:28:30.530
idea of a legal contract with a government agency

02:28:30.530 --> 02:28:36.209
about love, it is stupid. There's no love in

02:28:36.209 --> 02:28:42.530
the courts. There's no love in these civil unions

02:28:42.530 --> 02:28:45.170
and all this nonsense. No, the love is between

02:28:45.170 --> 02:28:47.590
two people. And there's something weird about

02:28:47.590 --> 02:28:50.430
saying, can I get in on paper? I love you. You

02:28:50.430 --> 02:28:52.389
love me. We love each other. Okay, imagine if

02:28:52.389 --> 02:28:54.489
you did that to your best friend, like Lex. You

02:28:54.489 --> 02:28:56.690
and I are friends. I love you. I think you're

02:28:56.690 --> 02:28:58.469
a great guy. Can we get that on paper? Can I

02:28:58.469 --> 02:29:00.590
get that on paper? If I pulled out and said,

02:29:00.649 --> 02:29:02.409
Lex, you and I have been friends for a few years

02:29:02.409 --> 02:29:05.440
now, right? Let's fucking make it official. Let's

02:29:05.440 --> 02:29:07.760
make it official, bro. And then if you stop taking

02:29:07.760 --> 02:29:11.799
my calls, I want money. Half of what you make.

02:29:11.920 --> 02:29:14.879
It's weird because when sex is involved with

02:29:14.879 --> 02:29:18.319
human beings, we have these cultural norms. But

02:29:18.319 --> 02:29:21.920
these cultural standards about relationships

02:29:21.920 --> 02:29:25.159
are based about, there's two things going on.

02:29:25.239 --> 02:29:28.059
One, there's like if a woman commits to a man

02:29:28.059 --> 02:29:32.719
and she's enhancing his career and she abandons

02:29:32.719 --> 02:29:36.520
her own. to try to help him, and then... She

02:29:36.520 --> 02:29:38.479
doesn't have a career, and then he gets rid of

02:29:38.479 --> 02:29:41.860
her and cashes her out for a new model, and then

02:29:41.860 --> 02:29:44.500
she's fucked, and she needs alimony. Or vice

02:29:44.500 --> 02:29:47.159
versa, like the Tom Arnold situation, right?

02:29:47.319 --> 02:29:50.719
Where Tom Arnold, that's our guy. We've all talked

02:29:50.719 --> 02:29:53.260
about that. That's our fucking Michael Jordan

02:29:53.260 --> 02:29:56.879
when it comes to male alimony. He married an

02:29:56.879 --> 02:30:00.100
incredibly successful woman, Roseanne Barr, and

02:30:00.100 --> 02:30:02.680
then when he got divorced from her, he got paid,

02:30:02.780 --> 02:30:06.459
and he got rich and famous from that. There's

02:30:06.459 --> 02:30:08.159
that, and then there's when there's children

02:30:08.159 --> 02:30:12.180
involved. And I think as a guy who grew up without

02:30:12.180 --> 02:30:14.840
a father, without my real father, I don't know

02:30:14.840 --> 02:30:16.659
my real father. I have a stepfather. I'm very

02:30:16.659 --> 02:30:18.700
fortunate that my stepfather was in my life,

02:30:18.739 --> 02:30:21.459
and he's a great guy. And my mom has been in

02:30:21.459 --> 02:30:23.280
my life my whole life. I'm very fortunate because

02:30:23.280 --> 02:30:24.760
there's some people that don't have neither of

02:30:24.760 --> 02:30:30.040
those things, right? It means a lot to me to

02:30:30.040 --> 02:30:33.559
be there for my kids. It means a lot to me. And

02:30:33.559 --> 02:30:36.420
it doesn't mean that I love my wife any less.

02:30:37.020 --> 02:30:40.860
But whatever the marriage thing, I was like,

02:30:40.940 --> 02:30:46.299
okay. We had a kid. I'll abandon all of my preconceived

02:30:46.299 --> 02:30:49.399
notions about the silliness of legal contracts

02:30:49.399 --> 02:30:51.829
with the state. It doesn't mean I don't love

02:30:51.829 --> 02:30:54.010
anyone any less or it cheapens it at all. But

02:30:54.010 --> 02:30:55.889
I think the thing is ridiculous. You stand in

02:30:55.889 --> 02:30:58.729
front of each other. I do. I do. You guys have

02:30:58.729 --> 02:31:01.770
a wedding song? No. Do you do a dance? Dude,

02:31:01.770 --> 02:31:03.850
I barely got through the whole thing. As a comic,

02:31:03.969 --> 02:31:05.829
it's so preposterous to me. But it doesn't mean

02:31:05.829 --> 02:31:09.329
I don't love any less. It doesn't mean that I

02:31:09.329 --> 02:31:11.690
don't appreciate her any less. I appreciate the

02:31:11.690 --> 02:31:12.989
fuck out of that lady. No, you do. And that's

02:31:12.989 --> 02:31:16.610
one of the inspiring things. It's like, I see

02:31:16.610 --> 02:31:19.530
that with, that's one of the reasons I like Elon.

02:31:20.190 --> 02:31:24.090
Is allowing yourself to be excited about awesome

02:31:24.090 --> 02:31:27.590
things. Just being, I don't know, seeing the

02:31:27.590 --> 02:31:29.950
beauty in things. And one of the inspiring things

02:31:29.950 --> 02:31:31.950
about you is just saying nice things about your

02:31:31.950 --> 02:31:35.309
wife. It's funny, but it's rare. It stood out,

02:31:35.350 --> 02:31:37.610
actually. Most people just kind of talk shit

02:31:37.610 --> 02:31:41.709
about. But I genuinely have a great time with

02:31:41.709 --> 02:31:44.340
her. Yeah, I really do. And we've been together

02:31:44.340 --> 02:31:47.479
for a long time. And we've grown together. Like,

02:31:47.479 --> 02:31:50.620
who I am now is not who I was when I met her.

02:31:50.739 --> 02:31:53.579
I'm a different person. And part of me being

02:31:53.579 --> 02:31:55.360
a different person is my relationship with her.

02:31:56.040 --> 02:31:57.840
But she doesn't like me talking. She's going

02:31:57.840 --> 02:32:02.079
to be mad at this. Yeah. Sorry. Not really mad.

02:32:02.180 --> 02:32:03.819
She won't be mad because I'm saying nice things.

02:32:03.940 --> 02:32:07.040
But, you know, relationships are odd, man, because

02:32:07.040 --> 02:32:11.149
a lot of them go bad. problems with marriage

02:32:11.149 --> 02:32:15.530
was growing up seeing marriages that went bad

02:32:15.530 --> 02:32:20.809
and seeing traps like when i was like my grandparents

02:32:20.809 --> 02:32:24.450
were lovely people But Jesus Christ, did they

02:32:24.450 --> 02:32:27.510
fight. They fought in the worst way. It was horrible

02:32:27.510 --> 02:32:29.690
to be around, to be a little kid, and my grandmother

02:32:29.690 --> 02:32:32.409
screaming at my grandfather. And I remember thinking,

02:32:32.690 --> 02:32:36.450
fuck this. I remember being trapped in my grandparents'

02:32:36.649 --> 02:32:38.729
home. Like, they're watching me. Like, my mom's

02:32:38.729 --> 02:32:39.989
out doing something. She's going to come back,

02:32:40.010 --> 02:32:41.430
and they yell at each other. Don't rush me, Joe!

02:32:41.690 --> 02:32:45.170
It was Josephine and Joseph, my unoriginal family.

02:32:45.590 --> 02:32:50.309
My grandfather's name was Joseph. My grandmother's

02:32:50.309 --> 02:32:51.690
name was Josephine. They're fucking yelling at

02:32:51.690 --> 02:32:53.610
each other. And I remember being terrified because

02:32:53.610 --> 02:32:55.750
I was a little kid and thinking like, God, I

02:32:55.750 --> 02:32:58.389
don't ever want to be trapped with some fucking

02:32:58.389 --> 02:33:00.030
person where they don't like each other anymore.

02:33:00.190 --> 02:33:02.790
Or even if they love each other, they've developed

02:33:02.790 --> 02:33:05.989
these patterns of communication that are so negative

02:33:05.989 --> 02:33:08.069
and corrosive. They're just screaming at each

02:33:08.069 --> 02:33:10.629
other all the time. And when I was a young man,

02:33:10.870 --> 02:33:13.469
that's how I thought about relationships. And

02:33:13.469 --> 02:33:16.709
also, I had a bunch of bad ones growing up, especially

02:33:16.709 --> 02:33:20.629
when I was broke. When you're broke and you're

02:33:20.629 --> 02:33:23.860
f***ed, future looks pretty fucking sketchy boy

02:33:23.860 --> 02:33:27.000
you you learn a lot and those girls were right

02:33:27.000 --> 02:33:29.540
they were right to look at me like skeptically

02:33:29.540 --> 02:33:32.159
like this motherfucker he thinks he's funny like

02:33:32.159 --> 02:33:34.479
where are you going with this where is this career

02:33:34.479 --> 02:33:38.239
going and you know there was like when girls

02:33:38.239 --> 02:33:40.079
would cheat on me like if i found out about it

02:33:40.079 --> 02:33:43.120
was like there was a relief i was like oh great

02:33:43.120 --> 02:33:45.440
i don't have to wait for this to happen like

02:33:45.440 --> 02:33:47.620
it already happened like i i knew it was coming

02:33:47.620 --> 02:33:50.559
like i this is my my concept of relationships

02:33:50.559 --> 02:33:53.739
they were always tortured and struggling and

02:33:53.739 --> 02:33:56.040
for what is the percentage of people that get

02:33:56.040 --> 02:33:58.639
divorced in this country i keep hearing 50 but

02:33:58.639 --> 02:34:01.159
yeah something ridiculous chris rock has the

02:34:01.159 --> 02:34:03.760
best bit about that he goes he goes that's the

02:34:03.760 --> 02:34:06.799
ones that have the courage to leave this is how

02:34:06.799 --> 02:34:10.000
many cowards just stay he's right and he's divorced

02:34:10.000 --> 02:34:13.239
by the way chris rock's divorced you know so

02:34:13.239 --> 02:34:16.860
but the problem is and also you know he's got

02:34:16.860 --> 02:34:20.639
some horrific jokes about how much money he had

02:34:20.639 --> 02:34:23.000
to pay in divorce. And, you know, he's like,

02:34:23.139 --> 02:34:25.659
my wife made more money in comedy last year than

02:34:25.659 --> 02:34:31.260
Dave Chappelle. Which is fucking horrible. Yeah,

02:34:31.280 --> 02:34:33.860
Jeff Bezos' wife is doing really good things

02:34:33.860 --> 02:34:37.239
with the money that she has, actually. Listen,

02:34:37.239 --> 02:34:40.899
Jeff Bezos is so goddamn rich that giving her

02:34:40.899 --> 02:34:43.479
$34 billion didn't even put a dent in him. No,

02:34:43.479 --> 02:34:47.000
no dent. Elon, number one, though, currently.

02:34:47.659 --> 02:34:49.860
Elon Musk is the richest man on earth. Well,

02:34:50.000 --> 02:34:52.280
other than the Saudis that don't give up the

02:34:52.280 --> 02:34:55.139
numbers. Or Putin. Let's just put the truth on

02:34:55.139 --> 02:34:57.819
the table. Putin too, right? A lot of those oil

02:34:57.819 --> 02:35:02.219
folks, they have undisclosed incomes. I think

02:35:02.219 --> 02:35:04.559
they probably laugh. Oh, good job for you. Number

02:35:04.559 --> 02:35:09.360
one. I think it's funny. Oh, you're number one.

02:35:09.719 --> 02:35:12.920
Congratulations, my friend. How did you do it?

02:35:16.200 --> 02:35:19.760
You know, because money is a weird thing, right?

02:35:19.819 --> 02:35:25.040
Because you really only have time. And do you

02:35:25.040 --> 02:35:27.280
have enough time to recoup that money that you

02:35:27.280 --> 02:35:30.420
gave up? And how much of your life is based on

02:35:30.420 --> 02:35:33.840
the lifestyle that that money provides? Like,

02:35:33.840 --> 02:35:39.020
what is it about your life that you think that

02:35:39.020 --> 02:35:45.899
you need a certain number, right? Look, I have

02:35:45.899 --> 02:35:48.079
a friend. I've talked about him before, but I'll

02:35:48.079 --> 02:35:49.819
say it one more time because he has one of my

02:35:49.819 --> 02:35:52.979
worst stories about marriage. He got divorced.

02:35:53.620 --> 02:35:56.520
He's been divorced for 14 years. He's been married

02:35:56.520 --> 02:35:58.860
to a new woman for 12 years. He doesn't even

02:35:58.860 --> 02:36:01.540
have a baby with the first woman, and he's still

02:36:01.540 --> 02:36:03.280
paying her hundreds of thousands of dollars a

02:36:03.280 --> 02:36:06.260
year, and it kills him. It kills him. It's crazy.

02:36:06.819 --> 02:36:09.459
My joke is, did he fuck her so hard she can never

02:36:09.459 --> 02:36:11.819
work again? He was in a relationship with a woman.

02:36:11.899 --> 02:36:14.840
It didn't work out. But he has to continue sending

02:36:14.840 --> 02:36:19.319
her a giant chunk of his income every year. And

02:36:19.319 --> 02:36:21.239
it kills him. Yeah, it can make you cynical about,

02:36:21.299 --> 02:36:23.819
like, the... It can affect their future relationships.

02:36:23.940 --> 02:36:26.360
It could affect your ability to be, like... It

02:36:26.360 --> 02:36:28.760
causes some men to become misogynists. Yeah.

02:36:28.860 --> 02:36:31.219
It causes some men to look at women as, like,

02:36:31.219 --> 02:36:35.260
parasites. It's not good. It's not healthy. You

02:36:35.260 --> 02:36:39.280
know, I don't necessarily think that all divorce

02:36:39.280 --> 02:36:42.569
settlements are like that. But I do think that

02:36:42.569 --> 02:36:45.229
there is an odd thing when you have an industry

02:36:45.229 --> 02:36:49.270
that is based around extracting money from people

02:36:49.270 --> 02:36:52.370
that have it. And what that is, is like Phil

02:36:52.370 --> 02:36:54.389
Hartman told me once when he was trying to get

02:36:54.389 --> 02:36:56.510
divorced from his wife. And he's like, I go,

02:36:56.549 --> 02:36:59.329
just give her half. He goes, it's not half. It's

02:36:59.329 --> 02:37:01.870
two thirds. He goes, it's a scam. The lawyers

02:37:01.870 --> 02:37:04.129
take a third. And I remember thinking like, oh,

02:37:04.170 --> 02:37:06.719
shit, I never even thought about that. That's

02:37:06.719 --> 02:37:09.239
the scam. The scam is they drag it out. And I've

02:37:09.239 --> 02:37:11.920
had multiple friends who've been involved in

02:37:11.920 --> 02:37:14.940
divorces where it's dragged out. Yeah, my worry

02:37:14.940 --> 02:37:18.899
is the... That's my biggest fear of marriage

02:37:18.899 --> 02:37:22.260
is the lawyers on the divorce side. That's why

02:37:22.260 --> 02:37:24.780
I wasn't into it for the longest time. You know,

02:37:24.799 --> 02:37:27.379
but listen, man, you're going to have... The

02:37:27.379 --> 02:37:30.860
bigger commitment is children. You have a life

02:37:30.860 --> 02:37:34.319
form. You have a human being. You have the most

02:37:34.319 --> 02:37:37.440
precious person in your life. When you have a

02:37:37.440 --> 02:37:40.219
baby, man, the weird feelings that you have about

02:37:40.219 --> 02:37:45.500
love, like the intensity of the love, it's so

02:37:45.500 --> 02:37:49.500
overwhelming. I can look at pictures of my kids

02:37:49.500 --> 02:37:51.360
when they're little and I start crying. It's

02:37:51.360 --> 02:37:54.600
crazy. The feeling that you have about children

02:37:54.600 --> 02:37:58.440
is just a fucking game changer. And it makes

02:37:58.440 --> 02:38:04.780
you just think about all of your preconceived

02:38:04.780 --> 02:38:07.340
notions about humans. And they all go out the

02:38:07.340 --> 02:38:09.719
window. Because I think of all people as babies

02:38:09.719 --> 02:38:12.270
now. I used to be an angry person. I used to

02:38:12.270 --> 02:38:14.549
think, oh, that guy's a fuckhead. And now I think,

02:38:14.610 --> 02:38:18.110
that guy is a baby that just grew up all fucked

02:38:18.110 --> 02:38:21.049
up. And now here he is, a 40 -year -old douchebag.

02:38:22.909 --> 02:38:25.389
How do they, I hope you don't mind saying, how

02:38:25.389 --> 02:38:28.170
did they move to Texas? They love it. They love

02:38:28.170 --> 02:38:30.590
it here. L .A. feels like a weird place for...

02:38:30.590 --> 02:38:32.489
Yeah, it's healthier for them here. Kids are

02:38:32.489 --> 02:38:36.129
more normal here. Kids in L .A., here, being

02:38:36.129 --> 02:38:38.889
famous doesn't seem like a viable option. In

02:38:38.889 --> 02:38:41.409
L .A., it seemed like the most viable option,

02:38:41.569 --> 02:38:44.370
like the most primary option. Oh, you mean like

02:38:44.370 --> 02:38:47.229
there's a... There's a community of people that

02:38:47.229 --> 02:38:53.350
are focused around the Kardashians and the athletes

02:38:53.350 --> 02:38:56.770
and the musicians and the this and the that and

02:38:56.770 --> 02:39:00.430
their whole ideas. You know, this obviously sounds

02:39:00.430 --> 02:39:02.530
hypocritical. It's coming from someone who happens

02:39:02.530 --> 02:39:05.149
to be famous, but I think that it's an empty

02:39:05.149 --> 02:39:10.719
pursuit. It's, you know... You can get famous

02:39:10.719 --> 02:39:13.760
doing a thing that you love or you can try to

02:39:13.760 --> 02:39:15.840
be famous. And they're two very different things.

02:39:16.079 --> 02:39:17.959
And I think there's been many times in my life

02:39:17.959 --> 02:39:20.399
where I was trying to get famous because it seemed

02:39:20.399 --> 02:39:22.840
like it was impossible. Like when I was young

02:39:22.840 --> 02:39:25.000
and first getting on television, first doing

02:39:25.000 --> 02:39:26.600
comedy, because it just seemed like impossible.

02:39:26.920 --> 02:39:29.200
Like how does someone get famous? I could see

02:39:29.200 --> 02:39:30.639
other people famous. Like how are they famous?

02:39:30.840 --> 02:39:33.840
This is crazy. It seemed nuts. But be careful

02:39:33.840 --> 02:39:38.159
what you wish for. You think fame? changed you

02:39:38.159 --> 02:39:43.920
like are you able to like be cognizant of ways

02:39:43.920 --> 02:39:47.719
in which the fact that this podcast is the biggest

02:39:47.719 --> 02:39:50.219
podcast in the world and just all all of that

02:39:50.219 --> 02:39:53.659
how that's changing your mind i mean that i think

02:39:53.659 --> 02:39:57.739
about that with power that you might not be cognizant

02:39:57.739 --> 02:40:00.500
of the way that power is changing you that's

02:40:00.500 --> 02:40:05.879
why i find putin fascinating so what Like, do

02:40:05.879 --> 02:40:07.620
you look in the mirror and see, like, you're

02:40:07.620 --> 02:40:10.239
not the man you used to be in some dimension?

02:40:10.819 --> 02:40:14.200
Like, this is a different human because you're

02:40:14.200 --> 02:40:20.000
so fucking famous. Believe it or not, I think

02:40:20.000 --> 02:40:23.520
about that very little. And I think that's one

02:40:23.520 --> 02:40:25.540
of the keys to my success. I think so. I see

02:40:25.540 --> 02:40:28.280
that. Legitimately. I don't think... I think

02:40:28.280 --> 02:40:30.700
just interacting with you offline in general,

02:40:30.760 --> 02:40:33.579
I don't think you're... It doesn't look like

02:40:33.579 --> 02:40:35.219
you acknowledge to yourself that you're famous.

02:40:36.459 --> 02:40:40.000
You're not living with that truth. You're not

02:40:40.000 --> 02:40:42.180
lingering it. You're still pursuing the things

02:40:42.180 --> 02:40:47.799
that make you happy. I tend to believe that you

02:40:47.799 --> 02:40:50.559
can do the same with power. I tend to believe

02:40:50.559 --> 02:40:52.500
a president could do that same kind of thing.

02:40:52.680 --> 02:40:54.719
That's what we would hope. Right. You would hope

02:40:54.719 --> 02:40:57.200
that some president gets to a position of power,

02:40:57.280 --> 02:41:00.040
not because they crave it, but because they have

02:41:00.040 --> 02:41:02.780
solutions to problems and they genuinely think

02:41:02.780 --> 02:41:04.979
that they can help the world. I'm not saying

02:41:04.979 --> 02:41:10.280
that I'm not equating my like I'm not favorably

02:41:10.280 --> 02:41:12.819
comparing myself to a president or something

02:41:12.819 --> 02:41:20.639
like that. But I I think. I got a slow drip of

02:41:20.639 --> 02:41:22.559
fame and that's one of the things that helped

02:41:22.559 --> 02:41:25.829
me. You know, I started, I got on television

02:41:25.829 --> 02:41:29.950
for the first time in like the early 90s with

02:41:29.950 --> 02:41:31.969
doing stand -up comedy. And then it led to a

02:41:31.969 --> 02:41:35.049
sitcom. It led to Fear Factor and the UFC and

02:41:35.049 --> 02:41:36.950
all these different things. And then ultimately

02:41:36.950 --> 02:41:39.309
it accidentally led to the biggest thing that

02:41:39.309 --> 02:41:42.290
I ever did, which was this. Is this the biggest

02:41:42.290 --> 02:41:45.409
thing you ever did? This podcast? Oh, by far.

02:41:45.530 --> 02:41:51.250
Yeah. By magnitudes. For sure. Yeah. Massive.

02:41:51.639 --> 02:41:54.840
giant numbers of magnitudes different than anything

02:41:54.840 --> 02:42:00.000
I've ever done. Well, for some reason your Bernie

02:42:00.000 --> 02:42:02.500
Sanders conversation popped into mind because

02:42:02.500 --> 02:42:05.360
that's my favorite part about the inauguration

02:42:05.360 --> 02:42:08.079
that happened is Bernie Sanders sitting there

02:42:08.079 --> 02:42:13.350
in comfy clothes. With like mittens. And he's

02:42:13.350 --> 02:42:15.090
sitting back. I don't know if you know this picture.

02:42:15.110 --> 02:42:17.530
Have you seen the memes? There's so many memes

02:42:17.530 --> 02:42:22.069
of him. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. The internet is

02:42:22.069 --> 02:42:24.229
undefeated. I'm like grandma. There's so many

02:42:24.229 --> 02:42:26.829
awesome memes of him doing different things.

02:42:26.870 --> 02:42:30.190
But the original. The original. Just the sitting

02:42:30.190 --> 02:42:33.350
there and not giving a damn. Well, I think he

02:42:33.350 --> 02:42:35.530
gives a damn. I think he's recognizing that it's

02:42:35.530 --> 02:42:37.770
never going to happen. You know, he had this

02:42:37.770 --> 02:42:41.229
idea that he was going to. sort of uh helped

02:42:41.229 --> 02:42:43.270
the working class i really do believe that guy

02:42:43.270 --> 02:42:48.010
was legitimate i think he stood for what he really

02:42:48.010 --> 02:42:50.110
truly believed i think there's a lot of people

02:42:50.110 --> 02:42:51.969
that felt disappointed that there was you know

02:42:51.969 --> 02:42:53.850
some votes that he wasn't there for that he could

02:42:53.850 --> 02:42:56.090
have helped and some stands that he could have

02:42:56.090 --> 02:42:58.350
taken that he didn't and then ultimately that

02:42:58.350 --> 02:43:01.989
he kind of like gave in to the uh the powers

02:43:01.989 --> 02:43:04.870
that be and the status quo but i think meeting

02:43:04.870 --> 02:43:07.969
him and talking to him and I don't know. Maybe

02:43:07.969 --> 02:43:10.250
I'm a romantic, but I really do believe that

02:43:10.250 --> 02:43:14.540
he had in mind. only good intentions, and I think

02:43:14.540 --> 02:43:16.260
he really did want to help working families,

02:43:16.340 --> 02:43:19.020
and I really do think that he wanted to. It was

02:43:19.020 --> 02:43:20.940
one of the reasons why I supported him. I think

02:43:20.940 --> 02:43:22.879
he really did want to alleviate student loan

02:43:22.879 --> 02:43:25.000
debt. He really wanted to make universities free.

02:43:25.180 --> 02:43:27.360
He really did want to make it so that health

02:43:27.360 --> 02:43:29.340
care was accessible to everybody. He really did

02:43:29.340 --> 02:43:32.860
want to make it so that a living wage was something

02:43:32.860 --> 02:43:37.540
that people can expect if they work a job. And,

02:43:37.579 --> 02:43:40.139
you know, the economists be damned. I don't know

02:43:40.139 --> 02:43:41.799
if they're right. I don't know who's right when

02:43:41.799 --> 02:43:43.950
it comes to that. whether or not $15 an hour

02:43:43.950 --> 02:43:47.229
is going to cripple our culture and crush businesses.

02:43:47.450 --> 02:43:50.850
I'm too dumb. I really don't know. But he's a

02:43:50.850 --> 02:43:54.709
genuine human, and that's a rare quality. It

02:43:54.709 --> 02:43:56.969
felt like you could disagree with his policies,

02:43:56.989 --> 02:43:59.569
but it feels like we should have a person like

02:43:59.569 --> 02:44:02.889
that. It's rare for a politician. You know who's

02:44:02.889 --> 02:44:05.389
also genuine? It's Tulsi Gabbard. She's genuine

02:44:05.389 --> 02:44:07.670
as fuck, man. She was here yesterday. She was

02:44:07.670 --> 02:44:09.190
on the podcast yesterday. She was? Yeah, it's

02:44:09.190 --> 02:44:12.520
out today. She's amazing. She's like a genuine,

02:44:12.680 --> 02:44:15.920
like a legit human being. That's who she is.

02:44:16.360 --> 02:44:21.799
One thing that's on my to -do list is to investigate,

02:44:22.020 --> 02:44:25.079
look into, why there's so much hate towards her.

02:44:25.200 --> 02:44:27.659
I was confused. So every time I've heard her—

02:44:27.659 --> 02:44:28.899
They couldn't control her. We talked about it

02:44:28.899 --> 02:44:30.760
on the podcast. The moment she decided to run

02:44:30.760 --> 02:44:32.579
for president, it all started coming after her.

02:44:32.700 --> 02:44:35.319
They started calling her a Russian asset. Dude,

02:44:35.479 --> 02:44:38.610
she's a—she served— She was a congresswoman for

02:44:38.610 --> 02:44:42.129
eight years. She served overseas twice. She was

02:44:42.129 --> 02:44:52.569
involved in these situations where she's working

02:44:52.569 --> 02:44:54.690
for medical units. They're bringing in soldiers,

02:44:54.930 --> 02:44:57.770
blown apart. That's why she has that white streak

02:44:57.770 --> 02:45:00.450
in her hair. They came from one of her deployments.

02:45:00.629 --> 02:45:03.450
Stress? Just stress. Just the freaking out over

02:45:03.450 --> 02:45:06.610
these. horrific scenes that she was seeing over

02:45:06.610 --> 02:45:09.969
and over again. That's why she has this non -interventionalist

02:45:09.969 --> 02:45:13.569
foreign policy ideas that are so important to

02:45:13.569 --> 02:45:17.569
her. This stop ending these endless wars, or

02:45:17.569 --> 02:45:20.129
stop rather having and participating in these

02:45:20.129 --> 02:45:23.690
endless wars. She's a legitimate patriot, man.

02:45:23.829 --> 02:45:26.049
Did she talk about running? No, she's doing a

02:45:26.049 --> 02:45:29.270
podcast. Like her own? Yeah, it's called This

02:45:29.270 --> 02:45:31.790
is Tulsi Gabbard because she felt like she was

02:45:31.790 --> 02:45:34.790
so misrepresented. We talked about her being

02:45:34.790 --> 02:45:37.309
attacked on The View and how that collapsed on

02:45:37.309 --> 02:45:41.190
those people. It's like the merchants of hate

02:45:41.190 --> 02:45:45.670
out there trying to spew their vitriol on people.

02:45:46.670 --> 02:45:50.290
There's a whole business in that with people.

02:45:50.809 --> 02:45:53.750
Podcasting could be the thing that actually saves

02:45:53.750 --> 02:45:57.709
us. A lot of really interesting people. Andrew

02:45:57.709 --> 02:46:02.579
Yang is doing a podcast. It's a way to express

02:46:02.579 --> 02:46:05.360
yourself in a long -form format and being nuanced,

02:46:05.399 --> 02:46:11.479
and it feels refreshing. I do think you should

02:46:11.479 --> 02:46:17.799
give platform to certain folks who are... Crazy

02:46:17.799 --> 02:46:20.600
people? No, not crazy people. There's just some

02:46:20.600 --> 02:46:25.260
people who don't have a platform currently. He's

02:46:25.260 --> 02:46:28.479
no longer president, but... Trump? Donald Trump,

02:46:28.620 --> 02:46:30.840
yeah. You should give him a chance because he's

02:46:30.840 --> 02:46:32.739
banned everywhere else. I figured that would

02:46:32.739 --> 02:46:34.479
be nice. Boy, that would be a crazy conversation,

02:46:34.780 --> 02:46:39.440
dude. I don't know if I'm ready. I don't know

02:46:39.440 --> 02:46:42.879
if I'm into that. I feel like he can make his

02:46:42.879 --> 02:46:45.879
own YouTube video. He's got his own platforms.

02:46:46.680 --> 02:46:50.360
There's a complexity to that human being. Oh,

02:46:50.379 --> 02:46:53.079
for sure. When you hear a story, again, coming

02:46:53.079 --> 02:46:55.520
from someone who has children. And, you know,

02:46:55.579 --> 02:47:00.799
the story that his cousin paints of him or his

02:47:00.799 --> 02:47:03.420
niece. Yeah, that's right. Is his niece or his

02:47:03.420 --> 02:47:09.420
cousin? Niece. Yeah, it's a story that resonates

02:47:09.420 --> 02:47:13.120
with anyone that has had a difficult upbringing

02:47:13.120 --> 02:47:16.319
and recognizes the need that children have for

02:47:16.319 --> 02:47:20.360
the love of their parents. There's a thing that

02:47:20.360 --> 02:47:22.340
happens to children when they're raised incorrectly.

02:47:22.639 --> 02:47:25.420
They're raised with the wrong. the wrong input.

02:47:25.579 --> 02:47:28.639
Yeah. Mary Trump. You know, I wish I was so mad

02:47:28.639 --> 02:47:30.700
at this book. I don't even know if she's right.

02:47:30.799 --> 02:47:34.420
I don't know. So the problem with this book is

02:47:34.420 --> 02:47:37.540
that she had the opportunity to write a deep

02:47:37.540 --> 02:47:40.379
psychological study of Donald Trump. That's apolitical.

02:47:40.500 --> 02:47:43.979
And she kept inserting politics into it. She

02:47:43.979 --> 02:47:46.379
kept inserting her obviously liberal point of

02:47:46.379 --> 02:47:49.899
view as opposed to studying a fascinating, complicated.

02:47:51.460 --> 02:47:53.979
human being who's obviously achieved a lot of

02:47:53.979 --> 02:47:55.739
things in this world well you know what I bet

02:47:55.739 --> 02:47:57.700
that's probably what the editors want and I bet

02:47:57.700 --> 02:47:59.299
that's probably what a lot of other people wanted

02:47:59.299 --> 02:48:02.500
but I agree with you is that I want to be able

02:48:02.500 --> 02:48:05.000
to make up my own political ideas and my own

02:48:05.000 --> 02:48:07.760
political decisions I want to know what you know

02:48:07.760 --> 02:48:12.239
about this human and how this she might You know,

02:48:12.299 --> 02:48:14.479
if Donald Trump might sit down and write a book

02:48:14.479 --> 02:48:15.959
about her, let me tell you something about this

02:48:15.959 --> 02:48:19.899
bitch. That's a good title for a book. That's

02:48:19.899 --> 02:48:21.379
a good title for his book. Let me tell you something

02:48:21.379 --> 02:48:23.940
about this bitch. She was always mean and fucking,

02:48:24.000 --> 02:48:27.020
she always complained and blamed other people.

02:48:27.159 --> 02:48:30.200
And she was always lazy. And she was always mad

02:48:30.200 --> 02:48:33.700
at her cousins. Like, who knows? I'm just exaggerating

02:48:33.700 --> 02:48:35.420
and making things up. She's probably a wonderful

02:48:35.420 --> 02:48:39.309
person. But my point is, we don't know. When

02:48:39.309 --> 02:48:41.510
a person just writes something and the other

02:48:41.510 --> 02:48:43.469
person doesn't even get to respond, interject,

02:48:43.909 --> 02:48:46.569
it's a real problem. You can get a very distorted

02:48:46.569 --> 02:48:49.370
perception of who that human being is. Yeah,

02:48:49.389 --> 02:48:52.850
and... What's the matter, Jamie? We were talking

02:48:52.850 --> 02:48:54.549
about Putin a second ago, about being the richest

02:48:54.549 --> 02:48:56.469
man in the world. I've stumbled across a current

02:48:56.469 --> 02:48:59.290
story that is very interesting. Do you remember

02:48:59.290 --> 02:49:02.629
the... I think he's considered maybe Putin's

02:49:02.629 --> 02:49:04.729
rival, the guy that got poisoned a couple years

02:49:04.729 --> 02:49:07.909
ago. So he's recently traveled back to Russia.

02:49:08.889 --> 02:49:12.030
did you hear about this yeah i did as of two

02:49:12.030 --> 02:49:15.549
days ago he uploaded a video onto youtube i'm

02:49:15.549 --> 02:49:17.569
gonna show you this just a second it has over

02:49:17.569 --> 02:49:20.450
it has 50 million views in two days this is putin's

02:49:20.450 --> 02:49:22.729
billion dollar palace yeah yeah it's a two -hour

02:49:22.729 --> 02:49:24.829
video where this guy's breaking down what this

02:49:24.829 --> 02:49:27.809
is it's a like 1 .4 billion dollar palace that

02:49:27.809 --> 02:49:31.469
has all sorts of crazy it sounds crazy and i

02:49:31.469 --> 02:49:34.069
there are english subtitles on here i don't obviously

02:49:34.069 --> 02:49:35.430
don't have the time to look through this at the

02:49:35.430 --> 02:49:38.360
moment I haven't seen a video get that many views

02:49:38.360 --> 02:49:41.799
that quick in a long time. Oh, my God. It's 49

02:49:41.799 --> 02:49:47.799
million views. Play some of it. I just want to

02:49:47.799 --> 02:49:52.879
see the palace. How big is it? It's huge. One

02:49:52.879 --> 02:49:54.639
of the guys that was looking into this brings

02:49:54.639 --> 02:49:55.899
up that they have a... Oh, it's legitimately

02:49:55.899 --> 02:49:58.600
Navalny's video. Yeah, this is his video. There's

02:49:58.600 --> 02:50:00.639
other videos that are smaller, but this is the

02:50:00.639 --> 02:50:01.219
actual two -hour one. How much time do you think

02:50:01.219 --> 02:50:07.059
he's got left on Earth? He went back. The size

02:50:07.059 --> 02:50:09.940
of the balls this man has to go back. After they

02:50:09.940 --> 02:50:12.940
poison him. They're bringing up this, it's a

02:50:12.940 --> 02:50:14.399
stripper room, but they're like, there's this

02:50:14.399 --> 02:50:16.700
room in the basement that has no windows and

02:50:16.700 --> 02:50:19.840
weirdly a pole. How does he have this information?

02:50:20.940 --> 02:50:23.319
They have the plans. They have 3D renderings.

02:50:23.340 --> 02:50:27.420
They have drone footage. There's like an enclosed

02:50:27.420 --> 02:50:30.079
ice rink. There's a 2 ,500 square foot greenhouse.

02:50:31.159 --> 02:50:33.639
Wow. So he might be the richest man in the world.

02:50:34.510 --> 02:50:37.190
Comrade. Can we take the video down? According

02:50:37.190 --> 02:50:40.409
to him, he owns everything in Russia or something.

02:50:40.629 --> 02:50:45.149
He owns everything in Russia. Does he have a

02:50:45.149 --> 02:50:47.590
lot of support in Russia? Yeah, still a huge

02:50:47.590 --> 02:50:50.690
amount of support. Is it the same kind of support

02:50:50.690 --> 02:50:52.430
like Trump has support, like support for the

02:50:52.430 --> 02:50:56.530
strongman? Yes, but he is much better. This is

02:50:56.530 --> 02:51:00.329
what I mentioned with the charisma of Hitler,

02:51:00.430 --> 02:51:04.000
not equating anybody in this conversation. The

02:51:04.000 --> 02:51:08.500
Putin is actually two things. He's very charismatic

02:51:08.500 --> 02:51:12.799
and like witty, intelligent, thoughtful. So it's

02:51:12.799 --> 02:51:15.700
very different style than Donald Trump, who's

02:51:15.700 --> 02:51:19.100
more chaotic, comedian, like just off the cuff

02:51:19.100 --> 02:51:23.459
kind of way. And the other thing that Putin is.

02:51:23.959 --> 02:51:26.360
which a lot of dictators have been throughout

02:51:26.360 --> 02:51:28.959
history, he says he's really good at his job,

02:51:28.959 --> 02:51:31.799
actually, of being a manager, of being president.

02:51:32.040 --> 02:51:39.000
He loves his job. He loves his job more than

02:51:39.000 --> 02:51:41.579
he loves power, which is fascinating to watch.

02:51:41.899 --> 02:51:45.510
Stalin was similar to that. Is that why he's

02:51:45.510 --> 02:51:49.309
effective? That's why he's effective. You can

02:51:49.309 --> 02:51:50.969
have critical perspectives on it. You can have

02:51:50.969 --> 02:51:54.049
positive perspectives on it. But the truth is,

02:51:54.129 --> 02:51:57.729
he's really good at doing the... having the meetings

02:51:57.729 --> 02:51:59.989
with the different people that are responsible

02:51:59.989 --> 02:52:02.389
for energy, for agriculture, for the way the

02:52:02.389 --> 02:52:04.969
country runs, actually listening to them. Obama

02:52:04.969 --> 02:52:07.049
was really good at this and listening to the

02:52:07.049 --> 02:52:09.309
different experts and understanding what they're

02:52:09.309 --> 02:52:11.409
saying, even though he himself is not an expert

02:52:11.409 --> 02:52:14.430
in it, asking the right questions, thinking through

02:52:14.430 --> 02:52:17.159
it. calling you out on your bullshit if you're

02:52:17.159 --> 02:52:18.920
corrupt. He's actually really good at fighting

02:52:18.920 --> 02:52:22.340
corruption. A lot of people argue that he's actually,

02:52:22.500 --> 02:52:25.040
while he's good at fighting corruption, he's

02:52:25.040 --> 02:52:29.120
creating an extra, like another level of corruption

02:52:29.120 --> 02:52:32.959
by the way, the kind of cronies he gets into

02:52:32.959 --> 02:52:35.540
government. But the fact is, he calls people

02:52:35.540 --> 02:52:38.680
out on their bullshit when he gives a lot of

02:52:38.680 --> 02:52:41.409
money to different kinds of region. to perform

02:52:41.409 --> 02:52:44.129
a certain task, he expects that task to be performed.

02:52:44.270 --> 02:52:47.430
Like if a certain kind of infrastructure has

02:52:47.430 --> 02:52:49.809
to be built, he calls you out on your bullshit

02:52:49.809 --> 02:52:53.809
if you didn't build that set of roads or whatever

02:52:53.809 --> 02:52:56.770
the infrastructure is. So he's good at his job.

02:52:56.850 --> 02:53:00.909
The stuff that's underneath it, the potential

02:53:00.909 --> 02:53:06.530
hypocrisy or the deeply unethical things for

02:53:06.530 --> 02:53:08.629
which there's very little proof, but almost like

02:53:08.629 --> 02:53:11.360
common sense. Like, Epstein didn't kill himself

02:53:11.360 --> 02:53:16.559
level of, like, logic. It bothers a lot of people,

02:53:16.600 --> 02:53:19.579
especially in the West. But in Russia, I think

02:53:19.579 --> 02:53:23.399
he still has majority support. I'm pretty sure

02:53:23.399 --> 02:53:26.219
he has significant support in Russia. Young people

02:53:26.219 --> 02:53:29.420
are who love the West, who love the idea of freedom.

02:53:30.260 --> 02:53:34.219
They don't like the idea of what Putin is doing,

02:53:34.340 --> 02:53:36.879
which is essentially an authoritarian government.

02:53:37.260 --> 02:53:40.520
He's essentially a dictator. And if you love

02:53:40.520 --> 02:53:43.579
the idea of freedom, even if Putin is good for

02:53:43.579 --> 02:53:47.959
Russia, it feels like this is the wrong man to

02:53:47.959 --> 02:53:51.899
bring freedom to Russia. And that's ultimately

02:53:51.899 --> 02:53:57.940
where the battle is, the battle for freedom.

02:53:58.440 --> 02:54:01.559
They look at America, yeah, it's a giant mess

02:54:01.559 --> 02:54:04.200
of just division and all that kind of stuff.

02:54:04.299 --> 02:54:07.739
But I think what permeates everything that's

02:54:07.739 --> 02:54:11.799
going on in America, is a love of freedom. We

02:54:11.799 --> 02:54:13.200
have a different definition of what that means,

02:54:13.379 --> 02:54:21.280
but ultimately we want to be free to pursue the

02:54:21.280 --> 02:54:25.719
thing that we love doing, whatever that is. This

02:54:25.719 --> 02:54:29.059
country, the United States of America, allows

02:54:29.059 --> 02:54:31.920
people, whatever weird thing they're into, or

02:54:31.920 --> 02:54:35.620
amazing thing they're into, to be able to pursue

02:54:35.620 --> 02:54:39.719
that. and build if it's like engineering to build

02:54:39.719 --> 02:54:42.219
that thing or if it's art to create that thing

02:54:42.219 --> 02:54:49.889
and not be stopped by kind of institutional breaks

02:54:49.889 --> 02:54:53.370
that slow you down and so like the left defines

02:54:53.370 --> 02:54:56.770
that as saying you know if you're a minority

02:54:56.770 --> 02:54:59.489
then there's all these institutions that slow

02:54:59.489 --> 02:55:02.010
you down in terms of your ability to be free

02:55:02.010 --> 02:55:05.090
in expressing your yourself to your fullest potential

02:55:05.090 --> 02:55:08.129
and then people on the right are saying well

02:55:08.129 --> 02:55:13.049
there's all these like uh how do you put it nicely

02:55:13.049 --> 02:55:16.549
but you know government overreach and controlling

02:55:17.610 --> 02:55:21.510
Now stifling businesses, stifling conversations,

02:55:21.790 --> 02:55:25.950
stifling thought, stifling the truth, you know,

02:55:25.969 --> 02:55:29.530
by sort of saying that this is what, by using

02:55:29.530 --> 02:55:31.270
terms like white supremacy, by using all these

02:55:31.270 --> 02:55:34.250
kinds of terminology, being with stifling freedom

02:55:34.250 --> 02:55:37.030
of speech. That's people on the right are saying

02:55:37.030 --> 02:55:39.229
that about the left. But ultimately the struggle

02:55:39.229 --> 02:55:43.309
is for freedom of speech. And then really effectively

02:55:43.309 --> 02:55:47.389
in Putin's Russia. all of those freedoms are

02:55:47.389 --> 02:55:52.989
kind of absent, if we're honest. Really effectively.

02:55:53.129 --> 02:55:55.649
That's an interesting way to put it. Because

02:55:55.649 --> 02:55:59.190
you can make an argument that the main flaw of

02:55:59.190 --> 02:56:03.370
our democracy is that every four years we change

02:56:03.370 --> 02:56:07.430
leadership. And there's a battle. As soon as

02:56:07.430 --> 02:56:10.610
the person takes office to establish who's going

02:56:10.610 --> 02:56:13.819
to be... the next person in line four years from

02:56:13.819 --> 02:56:16.780
now so oftentimes like this is one of the things

02:56:16.780 --> 02:56:20.159
that uh to quote chris rock again he was talking

02:56:20.159 --> 02:56:22.100
about obama they were a lot of people were disappointed

02:56:22.100 --> 02:56:25.399
with obama's first uh term and he was saying

02:56:25.399 --> 02:56:27.940
you got to wait until the second term that's

02:56:27.940 --> 02:56:30.120
when he can do some really gangster shit because

02:56:30.120 --> 02:56:32.219
he knows he can't go anywhere but isn't that

02:56:32.219 --> 02:56:34.799
a strange thing that like if you had any other

02:56:34.799 --> 02:56:38.600
job right like imagine if i only had four years

02:56:38.600 --> 02:56:41.209
to do this podcast Go back and listen to the

02:56:41.209 --> 02:56:43.049
first four years. They're fucking terrible. I

02:56:43.049 --> 02:56:44.850
didn't know what I was doing. I wasn't good at

02:56:44.850 --> 02:56:46.930
it yet. I needed to figure out how to communicate

02:56:46.930 --> 02:56:50.510
with people. And I think I'm better today than

02:56:50.510 --> 02:56:53.610
I was yesterday. And I think I'll be better tomorrow

02:56:53.610 --> 02:56:56.729
than I am today. And I think you get better if

02:56:56.729 --> 02:56:59.989
you care, if you work at it. Is that the same

02:56:59.989 --> 02:57:02.610
thing with someone who runs a government? I would

02:57:02.610 --> 02:57:05.469
imagine there's some similarities and parallels.

02:57:05.709 --> 02:57:10.019
Now, the problem with that is, of course... The

02:57:10.019 --> 02:57:12.840
best case scenario is you have a benevolent dictator.

02:57:13.979 --> 02:57:17.280
You have a dictator that cares but realizes,

02:57:17.340 --> 02:57:19.159
like, you fucking idiots, I need to take care

02:57:19.159 --> 02:57:21.420
of you, but I really do love taking care of you,

02:57:21.459 --> 02:57:24.180
and I'm going to do it within your best interests,

02:57:24.319 --> 02:57:27.719
and I'm going to try to do my very best to run

02:57:27.719 --> 02:57:31.540
this country the right way. I don't think anybody

02:57:31.540 --> 02:57:34.159
thinks that of any of our presidents. I think

02:57:34.159 --> 02:57:35.959
everybody thinks that our presidents are beholden

02:57:35.959 --> 02:57:37.899
to special interest groups and lobbyists and

02:57:37.899 --> 02:57:39.280
all the people that got them into positions of

02:57:39.280 --> 02:57:41.299
power in the first place. Modern day presidents,

02:57:41.420 --> 02:57:43.540
I think. And also that when they get out, we

02:57:43.540 --> 02:57:44.799
know what they're doing. They're going to go

02:57:44.799 --> 02:57:46.780
right to bankers and start doing speeches for

02:57:46.780 --> 02:57:49.620
$500 ,000 and all that shit. We know it's a scam,

02:57:49.680 --> 02:57:52.559
but we hope they do it the best they can with

02:57:52.559 --> 02:57:55.940
the system that's in place as corrupt as it is,

02:57:55.940 --> 02:58:02.889
as fucking entangled with money as it is. If

02:58:02.889 --> 02:58:05.729
there was someone, like a Putin character, like

02:58:05.729 --> 02:58:09.510
an American Putin, who would it be? Some fucking

02:58:09.510 --> 02:58:13.370
Clint Eastwood type dude who just like, you know

02:58:13.370 --> 02:58:14.770
what I mean? Jocko Willink type of character.

02:58:14.889 --> 02:58:18.030
Yeah, Jocko Willink. I'm all for it. Jocko for

02:58:18.030 --> 02:58:19.829
president. Well, it's a good question. I mean,

02:58:19.850 --> 02:58:23.909
to me, there's an exact parallel between your

02:58:23.909 --> 02:58:26.530
trajectory in podcasts, which have been 11 years,

02:58:26.750 --> 02:58:32.780
and Putin. But I haven't poisoned anybody. Allegedly.

02:58:32.899 --> 02:58:35.500
He hasn't poisoned anybody, allegedly. Allegedly.

02:58:37.620 --> 02:58:43.040
What's in this drink? I think the question is

02:58:43.040 --> 02:58:46.020
whether, in your case, fame. But there's power

02:58:46.020 --> 02:58:48.979
there, too, changes you. And in the case of Putin,

02:58:49.159 --> 02:58:52.180
does power change you? I use my power as much

02:58:52.180 --> 02:58:55.159
as possible to help other people. But why? Because

02:58:55.159 --> 02:58:57.819
I like it. I like helping people. I really do.

02:58:57.899 --> 02:58:59.600
I like letting people know about you. I like

02:58:59.600 --> 02:59:01.600
letting people know about Tim Dillon. I like

02:59:01.600 --> 02:59:03.540
letting people know about funny comedians and

02:59:03.540 --> 02:59:06.040
good people and really interesting authors and

02:59:06.040 --> 02:59:10.340
guys like Carl Hart. I like people to know about

02:59:10.340 --> 02:59:13.360
interesting people. I don't feel comfortable

02:59:13.360 --> 02:59:16.180
with the position that I'm in. I don't deserve

02:59:16.180 --> 02:59:18.799
it. And if people say I don't deserve it, you're

02:59:18.799 --> 02:59:21.719
right. Guess what? Nobody deserves it. I know

02:59:21.719 --> 02:59:24.920
I don't deserve it. It's unbalanced. It's disproportionate.

02:59:24.959 --> 02:59:27.020
I'm aware of it. I'm 100 % aware of it. So I

02:59:27.020 --> 02:59:29.340
do my best to spread the love. That's what I

02:59:29.340 --> 02:59:32.879
try to do. Part of being a comedian, you get

02:59:32.879 --> 02:59:35.639
made fun of by your friends and there's people

02:59:35.639 --> 02:59:38.319
that put you in check. That's the concern with

02:59:38.319 --> 02:59:43.280
power in the political spectrum. How many people

02:59:43.280 --> 02:59:50.219
can really talk to Putin and say, Bro. Nobody.

02:59:51.850 --> 02:59:54.350
You were kind of a dick last night. Well, does

02:59:54.350 --> 02:59:56.889
Putin have anyone that's smarter than him that

02:59:56.889 --> 03:00:00.069
he's friends with, too, that he recognizes? I

03:00:00.069 --> 03:00:02.329
have a gang of people that are way smarter than

03:00:02.329 --> 03:00:04.829
me that I can talk to. I can call them up. I

03:00:04.829 --> 03:00:07.329
go, hey, man. But the important thing is something

03:00:07.329 --> 03:00:10.229
in your genetics keeps saying that they're smarter

03:00:10.229 --> 03:00:13.750
than you. You can also convince yourself that

03:00:13.750 --> 03:00:17.450
you're smarter than them. No. But it's possible.

03:00:17.549 --> 03:00:20.579
Human beings do that. I think it's my martial

03:00:20.579 --> 03:00:24.659
arts background, too. I think there's a few things

03:00:24.659 --> 03:00:27.399
that contribute to the development of a human

03:00:27.399 --> 03:00:29.200
being. Like one of them is just being humbled

03:00:29.200 --> 03:00:31.620
by whatever the mechanisms. It seems like martial

03:00:31.620 --> 03:00:35.180
arts, jiu -jitsu. Yeah. So uniquely humbling.

03:00:35.280 --> 03:00:43.420
Yeah. And daily. This is why, sorry, I'm a little

03:00:43.420 --> 03:00:46.459
biased in being open -minded towards Putin because

03:00:46.459 --> 03:00:47.920
of his judo background. Judo background. He's

03:00:47.920 --> 03:00:51.139
legit. He's legit. I mean, when you watch, look,

03:00:51.260 --> 03:00:53.360
I know those guys are going with him. They're

03:00:53.360 --> 03:00:55.739
not trying to kill him. But I've watched Putin

03:00:55.739 --> 03:00:58.959
train, and I watch his technique. You know, I'm

03:00:58.959 --> 03:01:01.659
not a judoka. I have no belt in judo, although

03:01:01.659 --> 03:01:03.780
I think Wikipedia says I have a belt in judo.

03:01:03.780 --> 03:01:06.340
I have zero belts in judo. I know, like, two

03:01:06.340 --> 03:01:12.059
hip throws. But he's unquestionably legit. He's

03:01:12.059 --> 03:01:14.579
a real black belt. You know, there's no doubt

03:01:14.579 --> 03:01:17.120
about it. I watch him move. He knows what he's

03:01:17.120 --> 03:01:20.100
doing. And actually really good at it. There's

03:01:20.100 --> 03:01:23.719
people that do Judo can understand. There's a

03:01:23.719 --> 03:01:27.879
way when you watch a martial artist move, you

03:01:27.879 --> 03:01:30.360
understand this person understands the art. Yeah.

03:01:30.579 --> 03:01:33.479
And he is one of those. They have refined technique.

03:01:33.780 --> 03:01:37.399
Yeah. They've learned from real masters. And

03:01:37.399 --> 03:01:40.600
were humble for long periods. This isn't some

03:01:40.600 --> 03:01:42.920
little tool you learn while you're part of the

03:01:42.920 --> 03:01:47.680
KGB. He really loved Judo. For some reason, I

03:01:47.680 --> 03:01:50.959
might be a sucker and biased in that sense. It

03:01:50.959 --> 03:01:53.860
makes me feel like this person is human. You

03:01:53.860 --> 03:01:56.379
got a little bit of a Putin crush. You got a

03:01:56.379 --> 03:02:01.180
Putin crush on you. Putin crush? No. I'm fascinated

03:02:01.180 --> 03:02:04.520
by the man. But I'm also fascinated by Donald

03:02:04.520 --> 03:02:08.379
Trump. I'm fascinated by Barack Obama. But I

03:02:08.379 --> 03:02:10.100
like the complexity of what makes a human being.

03:02:10.280 --> 03:02:12.819
And by the way... I'm a sucker for good speeches.

03:02:12.879 --> 03:02:15.239
People who are saying that Joe Biden's speech

03:02:15.239 --> 03:02:17.120
in the inauguration, I don't know if you heard

03:02:17.120 --> 03:02:21.579
it. I didn't hear it. It's a good speech. I think

03:02:21.579 --> 03:02:23.520
Barack Obama the whole time was sitting in the

03:02:23.520 --> 03:02:27.700
Bernie Sanders stance saying, like, hold my beer.

03:02:27.860 --> 03:02:32.239
That was a terrible speech. There's such an opportunity

03:02:32.239 --> 03:02:34.979
to crush it right now. Really? With a beautiful

03:02:34.979 --> 03:02:37.639
speech. And it was like very generic positive

03:02:37.639 --> 03:02:41.479
unity kind of. If you want to do a unity speech,

03:02:41.780 --> 03:02:43.639
you better bring your best Martin Luther King

03:02:43.639 --> 03:02:48.780
Jr. You better bring your best Obama. That sucked.

03:02:49.000 --> 03:02:51.440
But I'm fascinated by these complicated people

03:02:51.440 --> 03:02:54.680
that come to power. Obama is one of them. I think

03:02:54.680 --> 03:02:56.500
he's way more fascinating than people give him

03:02:56.500 --> 03:02:59.780
credit for. Yeah, I agree. There's no way he's

03:02:59.780 --> 03:03:04.360
not. Raised by a single mother in Hawaii, he's

03:03:04.360 --> 03:03:10.129
an interesting character. rose to the the highest

03:03:10.129 --> 03:03:13.489
ranks of government in a very unusual way you

03:03:13.489 --> 03:03:18.370
know he's um he's our best statesman that we've

03:03:18.370 --> 03:03:20.729
ever had in my opinion you know i mean people

03:03:20.729 --> 03:03:23.590
love kennedy because he died if kennedy lived

03:03:23.590 --> 03:03:25.709
who knows what we think of him probably hate

03:03:25.709 --> 03:03:27.989
him after the first term he was very hated when

03:03:27.989 --> 03:03:32.350
he died you know um yeah he's a special human

03:03:32.350 --> 03:03:35.649
but also to be special to be fascinating you

03:03:35.649 --> 03:03:38.659
don't have to be Our best. He could be our worst.

03:03:38.940 --> 03:03:41.139
Yeah, but he was our best statesman. Yeah. Our

03:03:41.139 --> 03:03:44.159
best communicator. I mean, he was the smoothest

03:03:44.159 --> 03:03:49.899
and the cleanest. But at the time, Kennedy bucked

03:03:49.899 --> 03:03:52.159
the system harder than anybody. I mean, I'm sure

03:03:52.159 --> 03:03:55.219
you've heard this speech that Kennedy gave about

03:03:55.219 --> 03:03:59.219
secret societies. You know? Yeah. It's a brilliant

03:03:59.219 --> 03:04:01.659
speech. It's absolutely brilliant. And that was

03:04:01.659 --> 03:04:03.959
before they fucking shot him in the head. They're

03:04:03.959 --> 03:04:08.459
like, that's enough of this. Because he was combating

03:04:08.459 --> 03:04:10.620
the very thing that ultimately murdered him.

03:04:10.979 --> 03:04:13.840
And his whole speech, I mean, his really strong

03:04:13.840 --> 03:04:16.819
speeches, which is like... We choose to go to

03:04:16.819 --> 03:04:19.860
the moon in this decade and do the other things,

03:04:19.940 --> 03:04:22.459
not because they're easy, because they're hard.

03:04:23.360 --> 03:04:28.719
And also, ask not what your country can do for

03:04:28.719 --> 03:04:30.739
you, ask what you can do for your country. And

03:04:30.739 --> 03:04:33.139
he has a more general one about ask not what

03:04:33.139 --> 03:04:35.899
America can do for you, ask what you can do for

03:04:35.899 --> 03:04:37.520
the world, something like that. Yeah. No, he

03:04:37.520 --> 03:04:39.719
was amazing in a lot of ways and didn't, you

03:04:39.719 --> 03:04:42.559
know, wasn't around that long. Died in his 40s,

03:04:42.559 --> 03:04:45.379
you know. The good ones die young. Can I read

03:04:45.379 --> 03:04:47.680
a poem? Fuck yeah. We'll end it with this. Yeah.

03:04:47.739 --> 03:04:53.219
We have a tradition. Yeah. Maybe one day when

03:04:53.219 --> 03:04:55.100
I bring a robot, you'll actually wear a suit.

03:04:55.159 --> 03:04:57.719
You still have that same goofy watch? That thing

03:04:57.719 --> 03:05:01.299
is gigantic. It's the same Amazon. Do you like

03:05:01.299 --> 03:05:04.219
it? I like it. Are you attached to it? Oh, like

03:05:04.219 --> 03:05:08.079
John Wick style, like if you kill my dog, I will

03:05:08.079 --> 03:05:10.600
destroy all of you? No. I feel like it's ridiculous

03:05:10.600 --> 03:05:14.799
for you. Yeah. It's unnecessary. Do you use it

03:05:14.799 --> 03:05:18.059
for anything other than the time? Yeah, that's...

03:05:18.319 --> 03:05:20.260
That's what a watch is for, bro. Other than the

03:05:20.260 --> 03:05:23.899
time. Yeah. Other than the time. No. Oh, I do

03:05:23.899 --> 03:05:25.979
not use it for anything but to check the time.

03:05:26.059 --> 03:05:29.819
Why do you need a watch so large? This is the

03:05:29.819 --> 03:05:35.079
problem with Americans. They want their heart

03:05:35.079 --> 03:05:37.600
rate. They want their sleep schedule. No, that's

03:05:37.600 --> 03:05:40.500
not what I'm saying. I don't want... Listen.

03:05:40.739 --> 03:05:44.719
What do you want from a watch? Do you want it

03:05:44.719 --> 03:05:46.940
to talk dirty to you? Take this. That's yours

03:05:46.940 --> 03:05:50.700
now. That's an Omega. And that has a moon phase.

03:05:50.940 --> 03:05:52.879
See that moon in the bottom of it? That's yours.

03:05:53.079 --> 03:05:54.899
That's yours. You see the moon on the bottom

03:05:54.899 --> 03:05:56.840
of it? Do you see that? This is a happy man right

03:05:56.840 --> 03:05:59.200
now. That's my watch. That's my favorite watch,

03:05:59.319 --> 03:06:01.299
by the way. Do you see the moon in the bottom

03:06:01.299 --> 03:06:04.659
of it? Yep. That is the actual moon phase. It's

03:06:04.659 --> 03:06:07.459
a real high -resolution photograph of the moon.

03:06:07.920 --> 03:06:11.520
And as the moon rises, it will rise. It's set

03:06:11.520 --> 03:06:13.239
in the position where the moon is currently.

03:06:13.479 --> 03:06:15.319
Oh, that's awesome. Fuck yeah, it's awesome.

03:06:15.420 --> 03:06:17.739
Take that piece of shit, stupid fucking Frisbee

03:06:17.739 --> 03:06:20.760
you got on your wrist. You can't get this back

03:06:20.760 --> 03:06:22.260
because you just did it on record. No, it's yours.

03:06:22.280 --> 03:06:24.239
It's yours, man. Joe, thank you so much. This

03:06:24.239 --> 03:06:27.120
is a steampunk watch. That fucking stupid thing.

03:06:27.120 --> 03:06:28.879
The robot writes it and erases it every minute.

03:06:29.719 --> 03:06:33.219
That's so dumb. But that watch, that watch is

03:06:33.219 --> 03:06:35.100
my favorite watch, and I want you to have it.

03:06:35.260 --> 03:06:41.139
Joe, thank you. My pleasure. See that? Big ass

03:06:41.139 --> 03:06:44.909
wrist. Yeah. I do. Well, we can get it sized

03:06:44.909 --> 03:06:48.450
for you. No, no, this is perfect. Fuck, man.

03:06:48.610 --> 03:06:50.350
But you see the little moon? Thank you so much.

03:06:50.409 --> 03:06:52.049
You see it at the bottom? Wait until it comes

03:06:52.049 --> 03:06:54.290
full moon. You get a real sense of what it looks

03:06:54.290 --> 03:06:56.670
like. It's beautiful. It's a beautiful, high

03:06:56.670 --> 03:06:59.270
-resolution image. And one of the reasons why

03:06:59.270 --> 03:07:02.110
I like omegas, first of all, the astronauts that

03:07:02.110 --> 03:07:05.010
went to the moon, allegedly, they wore omegas.

03:07:06.170 --> 03:07:09.510
But also, it doesn't have the same sort of cachet

03:07:09.510 --> 03:07:12.870
value as Rolexes or a lot of like the people

03:07:12.870 --> 03:07:14.770
that have a peripheral understanding of watches.

03:07:15.430 --> 03:07:17.909
But they're fucking phenomenal watches. They

03:07:17.909 --> 03:07:20.350
make amazing watches. I have a bunch of Omegas.

03:07:20.350 --> 03:07:22.590
I love them. But that is my favorite watch, and

03:07:22.590 --> 03:07:26.309
you have my favorite watch now. Joe. Thank you.

03:07:26.430 --> 03:07:28.510
Actually, this is the one thing I think a watch

03:07:28.510 --> 03:07:31.899
could add is perspective. on our like the cosmic

03:07:31.899 --> 03:07:33.860
scale that's why i like that watch and that's

03:07:33.860 --> 03:07:35.600
why i think you should have it because i would

03:07:35.600 --> 03:07:37.219
look that watch and i would say this is where

03:07:37.219 --> 03:07:39.340
we are right now with the moon cycle yeah and

03:07:39.340 --> 03:07:41.180
when it comes full moon like right now it's just

03:07:41.180 --> 03:07:43.200
kind of like a little it's probably a quarter

03:07:43.200 --> 03:07:45.319
moon or something like yeah yeah well when it

03:07:45.319 --> 03:07:48.459
comes full noon you'll get a real sense of what

03:07:48.459 --> 03:07:50.399
it actually looks like because it's beautiful

03:07:50.399 --> 03:07:52.819
it's a beautiful high resolution image of the

03:07:52.819 --> 03:07:55.709
moon with like little stars behind it See how

03:07:55.709 --> 03:07:57.450
much shit Connor got for his watch this week?

03:07:57.489 --> 03:07:59.850
Yeah, but that's a ridiculous watch. I don't

03:07:59.850 --> 03:08:02.270
like those watches. I mean, look, you could like

03:08:02.270 --> 03:08:04.670
whatever you like. Yeah, that's a million dollars,

03:08:04.750 --> 03:08:06.809
his watch. That's preposterous. It's all filled

03:08:06.809 --> 03:08:08.629
with diamonds and shit. I don't own a single

03:08:08.629 --> 03:08:10.290
diamond. I've never had a diamond in my life,

03:08:10.290 --> 03:08:13.110
and I want a fucking diamond. I like engineering.

03:08:13.840 --> 03:08:15.700
That's what I like. I'm a fan of engineering.

03:08:15.899 --> 03:08:17.639
And what I like about that watch is the engineering

03:08:17.639 --> 03:08:21.459
behind it. It's a mechanical watch, meaning the

03:08:21.459 --> 03:08:26.030
time is kept within a second or two. I don't

03:08:26.030 --> 03:08:28.870
know what it is, like a day? I forget what it

03:08:28.870 --> 03:08:31.250
is, but also with a complication. There's this

03:08:31.250 --> 03:08:34.530
crazy complication that shows the moon rising

03:08:34.530 --> 03:08:37.670
across. And when it goes dark, I know when I

03:08:37.670 --> 03:08:39.750
can go outside and see the stars because I look

03:08:39.750 --> 03:08:42.290
at my watch. And when my watch shows me no moon,

03:08:42.450 --> 03:08:45.350
that's when I go outside on my deck. Because

03:08:45.350 --> 03:08:47.290
when I go outside on my deck, I know I'm just

03:08:47.290 --> 03:08:49.110
going to see nothing but stars and no moon at

03:08:49.110 --> 03:08:51.889
all. No light pollution, just beautiful stars

03:08:51.889 --> 03:08:55.170
in the sky. I'm going to take care of... Take

03:08:55.170 --> 03:08:57.170
care of it, my brother. Take care of it. Read

03:08:57.170 --> 03:09:01.209
your poem. This one, maybe it doesn't make sense

03:09:01.209 --> 03:09:03.489
for a white guy from Russia to read, but the

03:09:03.489 --> 03:09:05.229
reason I love this... You're a different kind

03:09:05.229 --> 03:09:07.829
of white guy. White people from Russia are a

03:09:07.829 --> 03:09:09.450
different kind of white people. I've been saying

03:09:09.450 --> 03:09:13.469
that about fighters for a long time. Russian

03:09:13.469 --> 03:09:15.229
fighters, that's a different kind of white people.

03:09:15.430 --> 03:09:17.690
But when I came to this country, what I fell

03:09:17.690 --> 03:09:21.389
in love with is the freedom. That a silly fucking

03:09:21.389 --> 03:09:25.180
guy like me can do anything. I want with my life.

03:09:25.600 --> 03:09:28.500
And so this one is from Maya Angelou called Caged

03:09:28.500 --> 03:09:32.379
Bird. She has really good, one of the literary

03:09:32.379 --> 03:09:34.899
geniuses that America's ever produced. But she

03:09:34.899 --> 03:09:37.940
mostly talks about the freedom in the context

03:09:37.940 --> 03:09:43.120
of racism. But this is bigger than that. This

03:09:43.120 --> 03:09:45.319
is about freedom in general, freedom of the human

03:09:45.319 --> 03:09:48.780
spirit. It's called Caged Bird by Maya Angelou.

03:09:50.299 --> 03:09:53.549
The free bird leaps. on the back of the wind

03:09:53.549 --> 03:09:57.049
and floats down stream to the current ends and

03:09:57.049 --> 03:10:00.389
dips his wings in the orange sun rays and dares

03:10:00.389 --> 03:10:04.709
to claim the sky but a bird that stalks down

03:10:04.709 --> 03:10:07.610
his narrow cage can seldom see through his bars

03:10:07.610 --> 03:10:10.870
of rage his wings are clipped and his feet are

03:10:10.870 --> 03:10:16.350
tied so he opens his throat to sing the caged

03:10:16.350 --> 03:10:20.370
bird sings with a fearful trill of the things

03:10:20.370 --> 03:10:23.969
unknown but longed for still and his tune is

03:10:23.969 --> 03:10:27.409
heard on the distant hill for the caged bird

03:10:27.409 --> 03:10:32.950
sings of freedom the free the free birth things

03:10:32.950 --> 03:10:37.870
of another breeze and trade wings soft through

03:10:37.870 --> 03:10:41.090
the sighing trees and the fat worms waiting on

03:10:41.090 --> 03:10:44.690
a dawn bright lawn and he names the sky his own

03:10:44.690 --> 03:10:48.610
but a caged bird stands on the graves of dreams

03:10:49.280 --> 03:10:52.319
His shadow shouts on a nightmare scream. His

03:10:52.319 --> 03:10:55.819
wings are clipped and his feet are tied. So he

03:10:55.819 --> 03:11:00.260
opens his throat to sing. The caged bird sings

03:11:00.260 --> 03:11:04.280
with a fearful trill of things unknown but long

03:11:04.280 --> 03:11:07.959
for still. And his tune is heard on a distant

03:11:07.959 --> 03:11:13.860
hill for the caged bird sings of freedom. That's

03:11:13.860 --> 03:11:17.739
beautiful. She's an incredible person and this

03:11:17.739 --> 03:11:24.420
is an incredible country. I love America. Lex

03:11:24.420 --> 03:11:26.420
Friedman, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you, brother.

03:11:26.540 --> 03:11:29.280
God bless you all. Bye -bye. My pleasure. Thank

03:11:29.280 --> 03:11:30.840
you for being here. Goodbye, everybody.