Welcome to this curated educational transcript of the Joe Rogan Experience. In this session, we provide a deep-dive examination of the critical perspectives and historical dialogues presented in Episode #2115. Our mission is to offer a high-fidelity, searchable research resource for students of cultural history, emerging technology, and global discourse. This transcript has been specifically optimized for academic reference, linguistic study, and archival preservation regarding Women's Sports Advocacy, Title IX Legislation, and Fairness in Athletic Competition. Hello. Hello. Very nice to meet you. Yes, and
you. You've been on a wild little journey, huh?
A journey that I certainly never expected, never
wanted, still don't want. So, yeah. Did you ever
in your wildest dreams? think that you would
have to be an advocate for women's sports? For
sanity. No, no. Never did I imagine that anyone
would have to be in the position that I'm in.
Nevertheless, me. So like you said, it really
has been a wild almost two years now. I graduated
college, set to be a dentist in dental school.
wanting to specialize in endodontics, which,
weirdly enough, is root canals. So to say that
this is a totally different path than I could
have ever anticipated doesn't do it justice.
Yeah, that's a minor understatement. Yeah, right,
exactly. So walk us through the beginnings of
this for you. What was your first introduction
to this insanity of biological men? with gender
dysphoria, trying to compete with women? So I'll
take you through my kind of timeline here. Okay.
Started swimming when I was four years old, right?
I come from a family of athletes. So my dad was
an NFL player. My mom, she played D1 softball.
My oldest sister, she played softball. I went
to Ole Miss. My brother, he's in college playing
football now. All my uncles won Super Bowls and
all this stuff. So come from a family of athletes.
I started swimming when I was four, graduated
when I was 22. So, you know, 18 years of my life,
I really dedicated to my sport. Impossible to
put in the words, you know, this, the time and
the hours and the dedication and the sacrifices
that it takes to compete and ultimately be successful
at the highest level. But of course, I was willing
to do this. I knew I had to. You don't get to
go to prom. You don't get to have sleepovers
with your friends on Friday night because guess
what? Practice at 6 a .m. on Saturday. All of
that to really say it's a lifelong journey. College
rolls around. Truth be told, I really could have
gone anywhere that I wanted to swim. I'm absolutely
biased, and the SEC is the best conference. So
I knew that was for me, but went to University
of Kentucky. Could not have been a better place
for me. Freshman year, right, there was a lot
of adjusting. It was a lot of time and hours.
I thought I worked hard before. I was wrong.
We were in the water six hours every single day,
with three of those hours being before 8 a .m.,
right? So you practice from 5 a .m. to 8 a .m.,
go to class, come back, practice again from 1
.30 to 4 .30, ate your dinner, iced your shoulders,
went to bed, did it all again the next day. We
swim about 15 ,000 yards every single day, which
is equivalent to like 10 -ish miles. So lots
of adjusting. Sophomore year, still improving,
though, still getting better. Sophomore year
rolls around. We're, you know, I really started
having this breakout season, started doing some
pretty great things, really had finally developed
like a sense of consistency, I think. In about
three days. before we were supposed to leave
for our national championships, which, of course,
you know, the NCAA, think about basketball, the
NCAA tournament, equivalent in swimming. We were
ready to go, the meet you work all year, really
all your life for. About three days before we
were supposed to leave in March of 2020, our
coaches pull us out of the water, sit us down,
say, look, you know, if you live in the dorm
rooms, pack your stuff up. You have to leave
campus tonight. Of course, COVID had hit. I didn't
really know what this meant at the time. There's
still a lot of uncertainty around this. So I
thought this meant we got a weekend off. We got
to go home. We'd quickly return. But, of course,
that was not a correct assumption because upon
going back home, home is Tennessee for me, right?
There were no pools open. There were no gyms
open, nothing like that. And so every day I swam
miles aimlessly in the lake. I'd put on a wetsuit
and I'd jump in the boat dock and I'd swim down
by Johnny Cash's house. And I came back and I
did the same route every single day. Because,
again, I knew that I had to if I wanted to continue
this breakout season I was having my junior year
or my sophomore year into my junior year. Right.
And the amount of snakes that I swam by and like
dead catfish that are floating on top of the
water that like hit you in your face while you're
swimming is not pleasant. But eventually we were
able to come back junior year. We had to deal
with all the COVID theatrics, which I'll be the
first person to say that being a college athlete,
really being a college student, I would argue
being a human during the time of COVID was miserable,
to say the least. But especially being an athlete,
right, in terms of the mask mandates and the
social distancing and the contact tracing and
the mandatory vaccines, which. Have you ever
seen a swimmer in the pool wearing a mask? I
have. You have? I have. I watch videos of it.
Well, we essentially waterboarded ourselves.
It's so fucking stupid. Isn't it? It's so stupid.
Isn't it? But dealing with all the theatrics
outside of all that. Really, this was the year
that I won my first individual SEC title. University
of Kentucky won its first ever program title
in school history. And ultimately, I concluded
my junior year placing seventh in the country,
which I was proud of, right? You're top eight.
You're an All -American. It's a pretty high honor.
But I knew right then and there that I placed
seventh in the nation my junior year, that my
senior year I had a goal of winning a national
title. So that's kind of the backstory to it.
to now kind of finding out about all this other
stuff going on. Senior year rolls around. About
midway through my senior year, I'm right on pace
to achieve my goal. I'm ranked third in the nation
behind one amazing female swimmer who I knew
very well because, you know, like in most sports,
your top -tier athletes know of each other regardless
of where you compete because you've grown up
competing against each other. So I knew this
girl very well, trailing her by a few one hundredths,
tenths of a second maybe. But the swimmer who
was leading the nation by body lengths, might
I add, which is a very large margin in swimming,
right? A sport that's measured down to the hundredth
of a second. This swimmer was leading the country
by multiple seconds. Was a swimmer that I had
never heard of before. And this is the first
time that me and my teammates became aware of
a swimmer named Leah Thomas. For all we knew
at the time, right, keep in mind we hadn't seen
a picture of this person or else things would
have been a little more clear. For all we knew
at the time, this was a senior from University
of Pennsylvania, which is not a school that historically
produces fast swimmers. Now I would argue is
not a school that historically produces really
anything good. Leading the nation by body lengths,
ranging in events from the 100 freestyle. which
is, of course, a sprint, and all the freestyle
events in between through the mile, which, if
you don't know swimming, think about this in
terms of your Olympic runners, because that's
like saying your best 200 -meter runner is your
best marathon runner. You and I both know that
that doesn't happen. They're two totally different
systems. But that's what we were saying in this
person. So I'm scratching my head. I'm talking
to my coaches, my teammates. Who is this person?
We had no idea. And we continued to stay in the
dark until an article came out. And in this article,
very briefly disclosed in a blip of a sentence,
as if we were really supposed to just read right
over it. It says Leah Thomas is formerly Will
Thomas and swam three years on the men's team
at University of Pennsylvania before deciding
to switch to the women's team. And so when I
read this, of course, I was shocked, naturally.
But really, it was kind of like the sense of
relief that I felt. Because at this point, I
went to look up who Will Thomas was. Because
admittedly, I was curious. You know, was this
a lateral movement? Someone who went from ranking
amongst the best of the men to now continuing
to rank amongst the best of the women? Which
is, of course, not what we saw, right? We saw
that this was a mediocre man, and that's generous.
at best ranking 462nd in the nation the year
prior when competing against the men. But that's
why I say I felt relieved because I thought that
the NCAA would see this how I saw it and how,
again, my teammates saw it, how my coaches saw
it, how my family saw it, how anyone with any
amount of brain activity would probably comprehend
this. Look, nothing hateful about it, nothing
even opinionated about it. the sheer facts on
the paper in front of us that this was not a
lateral movement by any means. But lo and behold,
the NCAA did not see it that way. They saw absolutely
nothing wrong with this. And so about three weeks
before our national championships in March of
2022, they released a statement saying that Thomas's
participation in the women's category was a non
-negotiable, basically saying that, look, there
was nothing that we could do. As female athletes,
there was no questions that we could ask or concerns
that we could raise. We were told that we had
to accept this with a smile on our face. So that's
kind of the lead up to that national championships
and really how myself and my teammates and really
the nation, the world, actually found out about
Leah Thomas. And I will say I'd heard of this
happening in sports before, but I'd really only
heard of it going the other way. Right. So women,
females who wanted to self -identify as men,
then going to compete in the men's category,
which, look, I don't I didn't ever agree with.
I never necessarily supported it. But maybe at
the time I didn't see a problem with it. Right.
Because no one's, I guess, competition, the men's
competition isn't being threatened. So, you know.
I thought it was dumb on the woman's behalf,
but whatever. When did you see this from biological
women competing as men? Actually, in the sport
of swimming, again. There was a swimmer from
Harvard by the name of Skyler Baylor. Competed
on the women's team and then decided to switch
to the men's team at Harvard. Isn't there an
issue, though, with steroids? Because if you're
going to compete as a man, that means you're
biologically transitioning. That means you're
adding exogenous hormones, which would mean that
you're taking steroids. Right. And you're allowed
to do that if you're a woman transitioning to
a male? There was no – the Instablase policy
at the time was 12 months of HRT, hormone replacement
therapy, and you can compete in the category
that best suits you. Right. So with Leah Thomas.
I'm sure you got into this. What were the requirements
that this 12 months? Is there an analysis of
testosterone levels? It was just 12 months. That's
it. That's the only standard. No threshold. No
one is actually checking to see if this person
is actually taking estrogen or taking testosterone
blockers or doing anything. You just have to
say you're on this program for 12 months. I believe
so. Yeah. I'm not sure what the process looked
like if if they talked to Thomas's doctors. I
don't know. But yeah, the policy that was had
been in place since 2010. So obviously this is
a pretty old policy, 12 years at the time. That's
what it stated. So that policy has been intact
for 12 years. Correct. And now NCAA in true cowardly
fashion is changing course. Right. They don't
want. to be responsible. They don't want to be
accountable for this. So what they're doing now
is a phase out approach of this policy and leaving
it up to each specific sport governing body to
make their own rules. Right. So now for swimming,
they would resort to looking at World Aquatics
or FINA, which is the international governing
body for soccer. They'd look at FIFA for rowing.
They'd look at U .S. rowing. They don't want
to blanket policy anymore. And again, they don't
want to be responsible or accountable. So they're
leaving it up to the governing bodies and what
decision have the governing bodies made? Some
have taken appropriate steps. I don't know of
many sports that have been perfect, but swimming,
for example, their policy now is if you've gone
through male puberty, you can't compete with
women, which they were really the first ones
to take that bold first step in prioritizing
fairness over inclusion. The policy insinuates
if you have transition by the age of 12, then
you can compete with the women, which is not
satisfactory. Even taking puberty blockers before
the age of 12, there are still advantages that
males possess over females. And even if they
didn't, it's the women's category. It's not for
men. And then you have other sports that have
gone the total opposite way. like soccer, for
example, that leave it up to, you know, self
-identification. Basically, you just compete
where you feel best. Oh, how convenient. Isn't
it? Which, at this national championships, right,
this national championships where we had Leah
Thomas, who is a male, a man, identifying, self
-identifying as a woman. We were told we fully
had to treat this person as a woman, right? The
same national championships. We had another athlete
who was transitioning. But this athlete is a
female who was then self -identifying as a man
from Yale. Izzy now goes by the name of Isaac.
And we were told we fully had to treat this person
as a man. Optics purposes here to give you perspective
of what this looked like from our eyes. Okay,
finals of the 100 freestyle. Top eight women
in the entire nation. Air quotes women. Air quotes
women. Yeah, for those that don't have video,
air quotes women. Top eight women in the entire
country. And you've got a 6 '4 man in a women's
swimsuit with a bulge next to a woman wearing
only a Speedo with nothing covering her top.
Your reaction was my reaction, so I'm sitting
there watching this. I'm thinking to myself,
it's me. I'm the crazy one. It must be. This
is the freaking Twilight Zone. How does the audience
react to this? Like when Leah Thomas gets on
the block, when they're about to start a race,
how does the audience react to this? As you can
imagine, right? Like there was a lot of silence.
A lot of people didn't really know. What to do,
what to say. There wasn't a lot of clapping.
There was a lot of like protesters and like trans
rights activists who were there who were being
loud and the posters and blah, blah, blah. Lots
of booing. Kelly J. Keene was there, who is a
phenomenal women's rights activist out of England.
And she was there and she I'll never forget.
I'm standing on the pool deck. And at this point
in time, like, of course, me and all my teammates
and my coaches, we all knew this was wrong. But
it's still. I didn't know how to talk about it
or what to say or what outlet to go to. And I
remember hearing her from the stands and she
just said something that we were all thinking
and she yelled so loud. He's a cheater. And I
was like, oh, my gosh, I needed to hear that.
So there was a lot of booing, as you can imagine.
Lots of silence. And through this. So you have
the loud trans rights protesters. And is there
anyone countering that? Are there loud pro -women
sports protesters? There were. Not as loud. If
I'm going to be honest, not as ugly, which I
think that gets a lot of media time when you
have these men with beards and these big signs
that certainly catches a lot of cameras. So they
were definitely there. And looking back, like
I said, like being able to see them, it inspired
me. It gave me courage to be willing to kind
of put my name and face to it because I was scared
at first. Based on just kind of the silencing
tactics that were used to keep us quiet, right?
Like we were told, you know, you'll never get
a job if you speak out about this. Your employer
is going to look you up and see that you're a
transphobe. And you don't want that, do you?
You don't want everyone to think that you're
transphobic. Was this a conversation that someone
actually had with you? Yeah. I mean, we had to
go to training, Joe, to learn how, again. How
to accept that you're being cheated. A senior
in college. Yeah. 21 years old. Yeah. They brought
in an outside professional. Again, air quotes,
because what in the world? How can you be an
outside professional who sat us down and taught
us how to use she, her pronouns? Again, a senior
in college. I'm like, am I really? Taught you
how. You. An actual she or her. An actual she
or her. How do you use she or her pronouns? We
had to go through these interview questions.
They threw a question at us. If we didn't answer
their fake interview question to their standard,
we had to go through it again. Oh, my God. Yeah.
Indoctrination. Thomas's teammates, right? Sixteen
of these girls, plus their parents at the beginning
of the season, signed on to a letter expressing
their discomfort in the locker room. I kid you
not. The university. responded back with, and
I have a screenshot of their response. If you,
as women, feel uncomfortable seeing male genitalia,
here are some counseling resources that you should
seek in an attempt to re -educate yourselves.
Re -educate yourself. That's a she -ness. That's
not a penis. That's a she -ness. Queeness penis.
So does Leah Thompson have sex with girls? Leah
Thomas, rather. Yeah. At the time. Again, this
is what I know based off of what his teammates
have told me and what really has been public
knowledge based off what they post and different
things. At the time of that national championships,
he was still dating women and active with women.
Sexually. So obviously has testosterone. Yes.
But now, again, based off of social media, he
is engaged to another man. who claims to be a
woman so two men but they call themselves lesbians
um so who knows but yes but at the time so yeah
you're if you're on that team you're a woman
and you have a biological male who's intact who's
having sex with women walking around naked in
the locker room with women and if you're uncomfortable
with that you should educate yourself You said
it. And learn how to use she, her pronouns and
accept defeat. You said it. To this person that's
not a woman. You said it. And the whole idea
behind Title IX was supposed to be to protect
women's sports. It was supposed to be to have
a place where women can compete fairly against
women. Yeah. And because of this insane cult
that 45 % of the country is in or whatever it
is, you have to deal with this literal mental
patient. In a woman's sport dominating and everyone's
cheering. Yes. And everyone around it that's
watching it is upset. All the parents, probably
on both teams. Of course. All the women that
are competing with this man. And the whole world's
like, yay, diversity. And you must feel like
you're in a fucking movie or something. Well,
I'll tell you. Really what had thrusted me over
the edge into no longer being willing to lie,
ultimately, is he and I raced in the 200 freestyle.
This is the day after he swam the 500 freestyle
and won a national title, beat out Olympians,
beating out American record holders. Right. Keep
in mind, these aren't scrubs. They're the most
impressive and accomplished female swimmers this
world has ever seen. And again, he beat them
all by body lengths. One second might not sound
like a lot of time, but in the sport of swimming,
again, measured down to the hundredth of a second,
one second is significant. He beat the entire
nation of women by almost two full seconds. Even
the time he went last year would have beat every
girl in the country this past season by nearly
two full seconds, making him the first man to
win a Division I NCAA women's title trailblazer.
But the second day of competition, the day after
this, he and I raced in the 200 freestyle. So,
look, we get on the blocks, dive off, swim eight
laps of freestyle, touch the wall at the end.
I look up at the scoreboard, and almost impossibly
enough, Joe, we had gone the exact same time,
meaning, of course, we had tied, which... One,
it's incredibly embarrassing for a 6 '4 man to
not even be able to beat a 5 '5 female. But again,
going a minute and 40 -ish seconds and not even
one one -hundredth separated us. You can't tell
me that's not divine intervention. But tied.
We get out of the water. We go. Yeah, you can
see here we both went 143. 143 .40. Not one of
us going 143 .39 or 143 .41 tying. Get out of
the water. Go behind the awards podium. The NCAA
official looks at both Thomas and myself. Thomas,
who is towering over me, right? Six foot four.
And this official looks at both of us and says,
great job, you two. But you tied. And we only
have one trophy. So we're going to give the trophy
to Leah. Sorry, Riley, you don't get one. My
heart rate was still high having just competed.
My adrenaline was still pumping. And so the first
thing that I thought ended up being the first
thing that I said. And the first thought that
I had was just what you had just said, right?
Like, isn't this everything that Title IX was
passed to prevent from happening? What do you
mean you're going to give the trophy to the man
in the women's 200 freestyle? I asked the question
that no one dared ask all season. And I said,
why? Which, of course, he didn't have an answer
as to why. They didn't give him a script of what
to say when someone asked you the dreaded question
of why. And so his first excuse he came up with,
he's stumbling on his words and he's, well, we're
actually just doing this in chronological order.
He said. And so I said, OK, do you mean alphabetical?
Because G comes before T. Otherwise, I literally
have no idea what you're being chronological
about. Right. We tied. So, again, what's your
rationale here? And finally, he realized that
he didn't have a justification. He didn't have
an answer for this. And so and I actually appreciate
his honesty. This is when his face changed. He
looked sad. His voice changed. I could tell he
didn't even believe what he was about to say.
But this official looked at me and said, Riley,
I am so sorry. But we have been advised as an
organization that when photos are being taken,
it's crucial that the trophy is in Leah's hands.
Again, you can pose with this one, but you have
to give yours back. Leah takes the trophy home.
You go home empty handed. End of story. We can
eventually mail you one. Oh my God. Is what they
said. So it was kind of, it was like that moment
when I could, like I felt guilty at that point.
I felt guilty for participating in the farce.
I felt guilty for even getting in the water at
this point. And so it kind of hit me. I won't
say I was necessarily cowering because I didn't
feel like that to me. I wasn't necessarily scared
to approach the topic. I just thought someone
else would. I thought a coach. would say something.
I thought some other swimmer. I thought someone
with political power, someone within the NCAA.
Quite honestly, I thought someone's dad would
come down there and yank this man out of our
locker rooms. But it was in that moment where
we were standing on the podium, myself included.
I'm standing on the podium and we're clapping
and we're smiling and we're cheering. And it
hit me. I'm like. What in the world are we clapping
for? Because, I mean, really what we're applauding
is our own erasure, our own demolition. And so
it was right then and there that, again, like
a slap across the face, I was like, how in the
world can we as women, as female athletes, expect
someone to stand up for us if we aren't even
willing to stand up for us? Like, this has to
come from us. So again, I knew all season the
unfair competition was wrong. I knew all season
that the locker room aspect was wrong. I knew
that the silencing that we were facing from our
universities, I knew all of that was wrong. We
all did. But it wasn't until this official reduced
everything that we had worked our entire lives
for down to a photo op to validate the feelings
and the identity of a man at the expense of our
own. That's really when I decided that I couldn't
continue being silent. And so what was the first
thing that you did? As you can imagine, there
was a ton of reporters there, like I said, which
swimming is not a sport that garners media attention.
But this meet was unique because there was. And
so my inbox. was filled with different reporters
who had been reaching out to me from all the
different outlets, left -leaning, right -leaning,
everything in between, who were desperately hoping
to get a quote or an interview that they could
take back to their editor so they could have
this story. Because up until this point, remember,
really no one had spoken about this, at least
not with their face and their name to it. Some
people anonymously, even some of his teammates
had spoken anonymously at this point. And so
we had been... This training that we went to
previously, I mentioned, where we had to learn
how to use she, her pronouns. We were also told
that any media opportunity that came our way,
we had to forward on to our sports information
director. Now, had this been the case in the
past? They had never addressed this in the past
because, again, swimming is just not a sport
where this is ever. So you had never been contacted
by the media previously in your career? I mean,
I had done some stuff with ESPN and, you know,
I broke the SEC record and all that stuff. And
so that was a pretty big deal. And so there had
been other. But all mild, like softball kind
of thing. But there was nothing where you had
to run it by other people before you were allowed
to have these conversations. Correct. So this
was the first time. Correct. And so. They told
us, though, like, we'll help you coordinate.
Can I ask you, can I pause you there? Come on.
Do they have the right to do that? Is it anywhere
established that they can dictate who you're
allowed to communicate with in the media? Has
this ever been an issue before where they can
restrict your ability to communicate? Not that
I know of. I will say, like, and I'll be honest
here, like, my school, University of Kentucky,
the athletic side. of the university and of this
space treated me awesome. Like my athletic director,
Mitch Barnhart at Kentucky, who's been there
for 20 plus years, an incredible Christian, just
an incredible standup guy who leads with, by
example, he's a wonderful human. He's always
been supportive of me. Not even necessarily my
stance, but supportive of me, which means a lot.
And my coach, Lars Jorgensen, who had coached
there for 10 years at the time. amazing and supportive
of me. But a lot of the kind of silencing and
submission stuff came from the academic academia
side or the compliance side of things. So my
athletic side of my university was wonderful.
But yeah, the compliance side. I was even told
specifically, Riley, remember, you signed a scholarship.
And when you sign that scholarship, They went
as far to say you gave away your rights to speak
in your own personal capacity. Remember, you
represent us. Remember whose name is across your
chest and across your cap because it's not your
own. It's ours. This is specifically said. Yeah.
They said we have already taken your stance.
You signed away your rights to have your opinions
on something that deeply affects your life's
work. Right. For a university that's terrified
of pushback. And understand. This is not specific
to just the University of Kentucky. This is why
there are so few voices really speaking out in
my position. Right. Like young college age girls
who have been impacted or affected by this. This
is why so few are willing to take a stand is
because it works. Look at what happened at Roanoke
College in Virginia. It's the same story because
it's always the same story where this mediocre
man who swims three years on the men's team decides
his senior year he wants to join the women's
team to become a record smasher. Same thing happened
there. These girls, they're getting in contact
with me saying, hey, this boy on the boys team
wants to join the women's team. But they told
me that they got to vote on if they wanted him
on the team or not. And so these girls, you know,
they're talking to me. They're like, yeah, there's
17 of us on the team and all 17 of us are going
to say no. And I was like, that's great. You
know, we haven't seen really unity in this topic
amongst the whole team. So that's wonderful.
And so they go into their meeting where they
were told they got to anonymously vote. The coach
walks in. Has the boy with him. He says, hey,
I know I told you the vote was going to be anonymous,
but it's actually going to be by show of hands.
And I'm going to let the boy here give a speech
before. So the boy gets up, gives us talk, and
he says, hey, if you don't vote yes, I will kill
myself and it will be your fault. So as you can
imagine, 13 of those 17 girls changed their vote
to yes. And it's because they were told they
were going to be a murderer. And three of them
are like, go ahead, kill yourself. But honestly,
like, think about that, though. That's a crazy
thing to say. They're equating advocating for
fair play and privacy in areas of undressing
with having blood on your hands. Yeah. Same thing
that Leah Thomas' school, UPenn. told those girls
that if they do speak out and any harm whatsoever
comes towards his way, whether it's through social
media, through emotional harm, physical harm,
self -inflicted for that matter, they told these
girls that they would solely be responsible.
That would make them a potential murderer. And
you don't want to be a potential murderer, do
you? No, so I suggest you be kind and I suggest
you be inclusive. God, that is so insane. It
had to feel like a Twilight Zone. It did. I mean,
this whole process, even even looking back now
and maybe at the time, like I didn't necessarily
see it for exactly what it is. Having really
removed myself from the situation now and looking
back, it's like, whoa, how did they get us all
to not that I ever conformed again? I never thought
this was right. But I mean, we went along with
it. Right. And how in the world did they manage
to achieve that? And I think a lot of this truly,
again, being a college athlete during the time
of COVID, I think that's when they learned they
could control us. Because, again, our universities
told us during that time, my junior year, the
vaccines were mandatory. You had to get the vaccine.
Me, look, at this point, I'd already had COVID,
right? I had the natural, I had the antibodies,
which I thought was the best natural immunity.
I'm young. I'm healthy. I'm not anti -vax or
anything like that. But I just didn't really
see the point of me getting the COVID vaccine.
And so I said, no. I said, I'm not getting that.
They said, Riley, remember, you're the team captain.
You're going to be hurting your team if you don't
get it. And you're supposed to be the leader,
Riley. And so I really struggled with this because
I didn't want to be hurting my team. Before my
own personal success, I cared about how my team
did, how my teammates did. And so I really struggled
with this. But finally, I realized, you know,
mandatory didn't actually mean law. It doesn't
actually mean required. And so I stood my ground.
But truthfully, I think that's the first time
that I learned how to stand up for myself. And
I think that incident and really the whole COVID
thing helped me stand up for myself in my senior
year when, again, the same tactics, the same
emotional blackmail and gaslighting. really,
that they were using, I think it helped me my
senior year too. Well, I'm sure it helped you
see the world now that you're out in a different
light. Definitely. It's a cult. I mean, and that's
really what it is. And it doesn't make sense
to anybody who's not in the cult. But the people
in the cult, they'll use terms like when that
person said, if you don't vote for me, I'm going
to kill myself. They use these very sneaky terms
like life -saving, gender -affirming care in
regards to castrating children and putting them
on hormone blockers. removing their breasts they
use this crazy term that seems like well it's
got to be good it's life -saving gender affirming
but really like think about the message that
even just the verbiage of gender affirming care
sins whether it's to a minor or anyone for that
matter right we're telling them especially kids
we're telling them that they're correct to feel
as if they were born in the wrong body which
what a terrible What a terrible message. We should
be telling them that they're perfect just the
way God created them. That's what we should be
telling these kids. But that's not the message
that they're being sent. No, it's one of the
most bizarre things. And even this verbiage of
sex reassignment surgery, it sounds harmless.
But when you say it, it's as if you're subconsciously
admitting that you can, in fact, reassign your
sex. which is so detrimental to the English language.
And we're playing into their game when we use
that verbiage, even the verbiage of biological
woman. I've got such a problem with, and I didn't
always because, again, I thought I had to make
the distinction, right? I am a biological female.
Thomas is a biological male. I had to take a
lot of math courses, upper level math courses
in college. And so I'm sitting there one day
and I'm like, If this was an algebra equation,
wouldn't those words biological just like cancel
each other out? Like, why are we saying that?
And then it hit me. I'm like, how silly and redundant
as if I have to add that prerequisite of biological
to declare I'm a biological being. That's so
dumb, quite frankly. And when we say it, it's
as if we're subconsciously admitting that there's
an unbiological alternative to being a man or
a woman or a male or a female or girl or boy.
And there's not. Right. So, yeah. Did you ever
see that interview where that bike racer is talking
to one of the late night hosts and they were
Veronica Ivy, biological women. Come on. And
she's like, well, I am a biological human being
and I am a woman. So I'm a biological woman.
And the host is just like, yep. Yeah. Fucking
cowards. You're not saying anything. Totally.
None of that seems nuts to you. Totally. And
that's that's. That's the game that's being played
here, right? You give an inch, they take a mile,
which is why I've really realized now like how
powerful language, our language is and the words
that we use. Like I'm very particular about what
I say. Like I won't call, I'll call, I try and
just call Thomas, Thomas, but people can legally
change their name and like whatever, whatever.
But that's a guy. But I'm not calling him she.
I'm not calling him her. It's silly. It's silly.
And I won't say trans woman because, again, that's
admitting that this is some sort of subcategory
of a woman. He's just a man. The Thais have had
it right forever. They don't pretend that they're
women. They said, I'm a lady boy. I'm a lady
boy. Yeah. And that's like, OK. It's like an
accepted category. Yeah. Yeah. No, exactly. Transparency.
So, yeah. All of that to say. To get back to
the very first question, never in my short 23
years would I have imagined that it's necessary
to take the steps and the actions that we're
taking, to even have to define this word woman.
But we've reached a point now where not only
is it necessary, I would argue that it's urgent
we define this word. In the nearly 250 -ish years
we've been established as a country, we have
never struggled. to define this word. Yet here
in 2024, we have a sitting Supreme Court justice
who can't even answer what a woman is because
she claims she's not a biologist. Well, guess
what? I'm not a veterinarian, but I know what
a dog is. That's the stupidest thing I've ever
heard in my life. It's a very dumb conversation.
It is. And so a big piece of what I've been working
on, I've been working with Independent Women's
Forum to develop and create a new piece of legislation.
That does just that, define the word woman and
other sex -based terms in statute. It's been
passed now in four different states, Kansas,
Tennessee, Oklahoma, and Nebraska, both Oklahoma
and Nebraska by executive order, which great
leadership by Governor Pillen and Governor Stitt
of Oklahoma. It's tracking in like 13 different
states right now. So, again, all of that to say
it's a telltale sign of where we are. as a nation
when we have to do what we're doing? Well, it's
it's requiring a lot more pushback than most
people are willing to do. Yeah. Because the activists
on the side of promoting this nonsense are very
loud and they've made it their entire identity
to get this across. And they also connect themselves
to the idea of this air quotes progress being
ubiquitous, that it spreads across the country
and that this is this is. For them, a sign that
the world is moving in the right direction. So
they're like vehemently opposed to any pushback
against this. And they're really aggressive.
They are. But everyone on the side, it's like,
this is fucking crazy. Most of those people have
jobs and families. And they're fucking busy.
And they do not have time to sit at a council
meeting with these fucking lunatics. 12 p .m.
on a Monday, right? I know. And have them scream
into microphones, you're committing transgenocide.
And you're like, oh, okay, what the fuck? What
is this? What is this and how did this get started?
It's like a zombie disease that made its way
across the entire country. And it was like, oh,
who got bit first? Exactly. Can we figure out
what the fuck happened here? Who's doing this?
How is it? possible that anyone with children
anyone who's a father who has daughters is okay
with this how is that possible this is nonsense
at the highest level and even though it's completely
it's not like close you know it's not like well
i kind of see their point no it's not even remotely
close and yet it has been taken up by a giant
swath of the greatest country the world has ever
known Like that is very bizarre. What I was going
to say earlier is Douglas Murray, who's the British
intellectual, is a brilliant guy. And he said
this. And when he first he started saying it
years ago, he's like, whenever a civilization
is in collapse, they become obsessed with gender.
It becomes a thing. It was with the Greeks and
the Romans. It's like it seems to be like a symptom.
Step in the process. Yeah. It's a thing like,
oh, see those hives that you have? Oh, you're
infected. Oh, you're sick. Oh, you're you're
you're everyone's like changing their gender.
And you got 50 percent of kids in some colleges
or LBGTQ2QIAS. What? How is it 50 percent? This
is a fucking mind virus. Like what is going on
here? And what Douglas has said is that this
you could find this throughout history. Of course.
And honestly, if you take all of the different
little pieces of what we're seeing. especially
as it pertains to the cultural issues that are
really plaguing this country. If you look at
the denial of objective truth, the shift in our
language, like we mentioned, the breakdown of
faith. We used to be a country that proudly said,
in God we trust, in one nation under God. You
look at the breakdown of the nuclear family.
and really pinning parents and kids against each
other. You look at the breakdown of our freedoms,
such as the freedom of speech. You look at the
propaganda that's being spread through the media.
I mean, the list goes on of all of these different
little things. If you put them together, it points
in one direction. And that direction, not to
sound conspiracist or crazy here, is truly Marxism.
Right. Like you talk to someone from North Korea
or China or Germany or Cuba or Brazil or Venezuela
or Russia or any of these countries that have
once embraced this socialist, communist, Marxist
regime. And they will tell you that it's a slippery
slope and it's a slippery slope. But by the hands
and feet of our own leaders, the people in the
White House, we are actively being led down.
And like you said, sex. The most basic of truths,
the sheer essence of humanity, hate to break
it to you, myself, every single person watching
and listening. You're all here for man and woman.
And so being asked to deny that is as if we're
being asked to deny that the sky is blue or being
told to say two plus two is five. And if anyone
has read 1984 or look had a brief understanding
of history, like you said. You will understand
what it means when we start saying two plus two
is five. It's a pretty scary, chilling thought,
really. Well, if they can get you to give up
one of the most basic things. There's no limits.
Yes. There's no limits. Exactly. And I agree
with you that it did start during COVID because
it started during this exercise of control. and
mandating things. Yeah, and they didn't do it
based on any data. They didn't do it especially
with young athletes, especially with young athletes.
What they did to do is do that so that if you
can get compliance with absolutely everybody,
so if you can get the people who don't need this
medication at all to mandate it for children.
for young, healthy athletes, for people that
have zero fear of dying from COVID. And if you
can force them into doing it, you can kind of
force them to do a lot of things. If you can
force them to, like, accept the most chaotic
notion. Like that we shouldn't have a border
and just let people run through. And if it's
terrorists, well, hey, I mean, maybe they want
a better life. You're not going to vet anybody.
You're going to let them in. And now you're saying
that some of them should be allowed to vote.
And you're going to give some of the money. And
then New York City has this scam where they're
giving them debit cards with like up to $10 ,000.
And then meanwhile, poor people who live in New
York City or citizens of the United States, they're
shit out of luck. Sorry. My husband, who's an
immigrant, he came over from England, but did
it the right way. We've been married for almost
two years. And Joe, he still doesn't have his
green card. Yet you have people walking over
the border and they obtain it with ease. Yes.
It makes it harder for people like my husband
and my family where. It's harder to travel. It's
harder for job purposes when you don't have your
documentation that you need. So you're right.
It makes it harder on. not only Americans, but
the people who want to do it the right way. Do
you think about it? Like, why are they doing
that? Do you think they're doing it to import
voters? Do you think they're doing it because
some industries want to encourage cheap labor,
that this can break unions? Because if you've
got a bunch of people that are undocumented,
it's legal to hire them and you could pay them
less. Why would you need a union when these people
are just happy with whatever you give them? Exactly.
Here's what I think. Joe Biden has every He has
the power right now to secure the border. He
has that power, but he won't do it. So to me,
what this looks like is the planned and controlled
destruction of this nation. Reasons why? I don't
know if it's to get voters. I don't know if it's
to, you know, what really the purpose is. But
make no mistake, this is planned and it's. controlled
again by the people leading this nation. Which
is a terrifying thought. Well, it makes sense.
It sounds nuts. And if you had said this 20 years
ago, I was like, this bitch is out of her mind.
What are we doing? Inviting Riley here? Control
destruction of our United States. But now you
look at it and you go, well, hold on. If they
learned anything from COVID, one of the things
they learned is that during a period of destabilization,
people are much more compliant. And COVID was
a massive period of destabilization to the point
where they put into place. place illogical laws
that restricted people's ability to keep their
businesses open while leaving gigantic businesses
wide open. You walk through Target, no one gets
sick there. But if you go to mom and pop's candle
shop, everyone's going to die. And none of that
made any sense. None of it made any sense. And
they got us to get through with that. If they
can destabilize the country in the form of letting
violence into the country and then also, but
at the same time, simultaneously cracking down
on gun laws in America. and imposing more gun
control on the citizens. I mean, I don't want
to fucking secure my tinfoil hat on. But if I
was going to do it, if I was an evil person who
had this goal of the destruction of America,
that's how I would do it. I would get everybody
involved in the most nonsensical. bullshit arguments,
like use 78 different gender pronouns. And if
you don't call someone a Z -zer. We had this
conversation with Christopher Ruffo the other
day. I saw. The Z -zer thing, like he's literally
got to go to court because he was not willing
to call someone Z -zer. So he's got he's got
to be charged with a crime. They have to see
whether or not he committed some hate crime.
Well, that's because he didn't use a made up
pronoun. This whole new Title IX rewrite that
the Biden administration is pursuing that will
be, I believe, announced in the next couple of
weeks. And under this new rewrite, it is sexual.
You would be guilty and charged with sexual harassment.
If you, a 17 -year -old girl who's housed with
a male in your dorm room, if you go to your administration
and complain, expressing that you feel uncomfortable
being housed with a male, you're charged with
sexual harassment. Not the man who's parading
around your locker room or your bathroom. No,
that's brave or stunning or inspiring or whatever
other virtuous word they want to use. But you
calling a spade a spade. is grounds for sexual
harassment. Bananas. Bananas. Like, not even...
Like a whole bunch of bananas. Yeah, like if
you saw it in a fucking movie, you'd be like,
no way. If there was a movie that someone put
out in 2003, and this was the plot, you'd be
like, shut the fuck up. That's never going to
fly. That's so ridiculous. And here we are, and
it's moving further and further in that direction.
You're seeing gaslighting. On an unprecedented
level, there was this group of people that got
interviewed by The New York Times that are super
fans of Joe Biden that don't give a. It's wild.
I mean, it's wild. It's wild to see these people.
I think he's amazing. And I think what he's doing
is the greatest one term that any president.
He's done more. Karine Jean -Pierre, whatever
the fuck her name is, said that the other day.
She said that this administration, they asked
him, why does Biden need cue cards for everything?
Why does he need cue cards when he sits down?
Why does he need cue? Like, why does he need
those things? That was the question. And she
just rattles off how what Joe Biden has done
more. these three years than most presidents
do literally what let open the border kill the
economy fund two fucking crazy wars but that's
what you'll find too when pull out of afghanistan
when you have these biden super fans um you'll
ask him okay well well what is it that you like
that biden has done he's amazing well i just
like what he stands for yeah they can't list
anything Well, it's just nonsense. It's like,
I like the 49ers. That's all it is. They're on
a team and they'll fucking support that team
full stop no matter what. And it's that same
sort of behavior that exists in any group of
people that's ideologically captured. Whether
you're a fucking lifelong Red Sox fan or you're
a Democrat to the death. Blue no matter who.
And there's people that just do that proudly
and they announce it on Twitter and they get
a bunch of people. 30 cats in their comments
all commenting yay and all these mentally ill
people oh 100 it's on both sides uh and and that's
what i've been you know i've always been my whole
life like i would say before being conservative
i've always been a christian and so my values
as a christian align more conservative um but
what i've noticed these past two years um i'm
really eye -opened uh to the amount of corruption,
to the amount of string pulling, to the amount
of really crazy people on both sides. So we talk
a lot about the left because because they don't
try and mask theirs, at least the like very extreme
radical left, like those protesters or or the
people who protest me, which like psycho. I was
in Milwaukee recently and I had protesters stand
outside my hotel room for hours, Joe, hours chanting.
Riley can't swim. I'm like, that's the best you
got. Riley can't swim. It is. I love it. When
you're so good that that's all they could say.
I would challenge any of them to a race. So we
see the left being crazy. Yeah. But there's some
crazy people. Oh, 100 percent. It's a human characteristic.
And people, they jump into these ideologies not
because they're well thought out and because
it makes sense. It's because human beings are
tribal by nature. And when we find a group, look.
I see people talk about cults sometimes. Like
in a documentary, I'm like, that seems like fun.
And I'm a grown man. If I was an 18 -year -old
boy and that happened, or a 16 -year -old boy,
and I encountered them, I'm young and impressionable,
100 % I could get sucked into it. You can get
sucked into the left, you can get sucked into
the right. And then you're around like -minded
people, and the nuttiest, most ambitious, and
most fucking psychotic of that group are the
ones in the far outlines. Patriot front on one
side and it's Antifa on the other side. And this
is what happens. And this is what happens with
human beings. And those people. They'll allow
the Antifa people to fucking blow up things and
light things on fire. Like, well, some violence
is necessary to achieve the means. It's like
the strong arm of the Democratic Party. And then
for the right, they've got to kind of ignore
the really loony right wing fucking Confederate
flag dudes. Like, you've got to kind of push
those aside, too. It's just who's in charge?
The Democrats. They're in charge. Who's running
the media? The Democrats. Almost universally.
They've overtaken every public square, whether
it's academia, whether it's corporate America,
whether it's our government, the media. I mean,
every every public square, which is why now,
honestly, I feel like a lot of people who maybe.
would have considered themselves previously as
kind of like apolitical or, you know, someone
who didn't really look at what's going on around
the world. Like you said, have jobs and families.
They have their heads down. They're not they
don't look at the outside noise. I think it's
waking a lot of people up, which is a good thing.
That's the beauty of a democracy. Really, the
American republic is having the people as the
power. We do have the power. And I feel like
we're we're engaging those people. Yeah, I think
so. I mean, I think there's enough people that
are realizing that this whole system is like
completely fucked and that it's really just about
money and power and control. And they use all
these social issues as, you know, it's like a
galvanizing force to get whatever their financial
agenda is pushed through. That's all it is. Like
when the Biden administration is talking about
DEI and all that, it's just tied into banks.
It's how they can fund businesses and give them
loans. If you have more people that are this
will give you more. And it's just a way to control
businesses. And the whole thing is just all about
money. It's all a gigantic con game. And the
more, like I said, if I was a fucking tinfoil
hat guy, if I was thinking this is someone trying
to destroy the country, this is how I would do
it. I would have people willing to vote for their
own demise, not advocating for freedom, if that
freedom gives freedom to the people that are
opposed to them. We're so stupid and closed -minded,
we're willing to burn it all down just to silence
people. Take away everyone's freedom. Right.
Take away everyone's freedom because I don't
want that person who disagrees with me to have
freedom. Crazy. When you put it that way, it's
exactly what's happening. It is exactly what's
happening, and it's not the case when I was a
kid. When I was a young guy, I had friends whose
parents were conservative, and my parents were
hippies, and they hung out together. Everybody
would go to dinner together. Like, no one cared.
Yeah, there's no more gray area, so it seems.
They could talk about stuff. You know, like,
they could have agreements of what Reagan was
good at. Like, there was, like, conversations.
Well, you know, one thing Reagan really did good.
Like, my fucking dad was saying that. Watching
these people today, it's like the orcs are fighting
against the hobbits. Like, this is crazy. Very
true. So opposed. It's like so polarized. And
again, if I was from another country and I was
trying to ruin America, I was like, how could
I do this? That's how I would do it. I would
do it this way. And then I would do it through
social media. And I would have the Democrats
almost universally control social media. Of course
they do. Except this one wild African -American.
This one wild genius dude decides to buy Twitter.
Isn't it amazing? Amazing. If he didn't do that,
we would genuinely be fucked. Totally. pickle
honestly twitter or x now is is really where
i get like all my news like i don't even um resort
to a lot of the mainstream media places at least
for breaking news like i'll find it on x uh so
god bless elon musk i i really think that he
has um almost single -handedly there's been there's
been uh i would say some pivotal people People
or groups in this culture who have really helped
turn some things around. I think the Babylon
Bee has done a phenomenal job. But they were
banned from Twitter. Yeah. And that was one of
the breaking points for Elon. Exactly. When he
found out they were banned from Twitter, he's
like, what the fuck? It was a turning point.
And so I really think he single -handedly almost
really turned. this culture around. So God bless
him. He's definitely made it take a turn. And
for anybody who thinks that's exaggerating, you
have to take into consideration that is not a
business move that any corporation that wants
to make money would have approved. No. If you're
Elon Musk, you can do it. But there's like maybe
five of those guys on earth that could just buy
something for $44 billion. That's crazy. That's
really probably worth half that. Right. So you
can never justify it on paper. No. So he's an
insane person. He is. Who's dedicated to free
speech. He just happens to have $200 billion.
So he can step in and do that. And when they
tell him about advertising, that was one of my
favorite speeches ever. He was like. Go fuck
yourself. Isn't that awesome? It was amazing.
It was perfect. If you're going to blackmail
me with money, you're going to do that? Go fuck
yourself. It's amazing. And then he goes, hi,
Bob. It's hilarious. But honestly, that right
there is what this nation, again, really this
world is lacking, is strong leadership. Strong.
male leadership in particular, we don't see a
lot of these men, right? We picture men as these
like dominant, aggressive, assertive leaders
who protect and provide. Our nation is failing
because we don't have those male leaders. We
don't have people who have backbones and a moral
compass. But Elon Musk has the perfect combination
of a backbone and a moral compass, which is sad
when you think about it. He's smarter than everybody.
And he's rich. And he sees where all this is
going. He's like, you people are out of your
fucking minds. Like, what are you doing? So he
literally has to step in and buy a social media
platform. And then upon doing so, they release
all these emails to these journalists like Michael
Schellenberger and Matt Taibbi. And you find
out through all this that they've been in contact
with the FBI. And the FBI has been telling them
to delete accounts and get rid of posts. My account
was deleted. I guess prior to the Elon Musk era.
What did you write that was the big offense?
There are two sexes. I know. God forbid, right?
Isn't that amazing? Put me in jail. A biological
truth. Okay, can I get a review? Can we go to
a textbook, please? Yeah. How many sexes does
it say in the textbook? I think it says two.
Does that say two? It says two sexes, male and
female. So I was right. Let's ban the book, too.
What is that? No, yeah. But I was able to. Make
a new account under Elon Musk Twitter. Yeah,
luckily. And it's the only platform that I've
found where I don't get my videos or posts removed.
TikTok, right? I was hesitant for TikTok for
a long time for a lot of reasons, right? Like
we hear that the Chinese are spying on us and
going to take our information and blah, blah,
blah. So I didn't want to post on TikTok for
a long time. But I went on my – I had a profile.
I'd sometimes view videos. Again, never really
posting. And then – One day I go to my profile
and I have like 20 ,000 followers having never
posted. I'm like, this is crazy. Like, clearly
there's an audience here on TikTok. And it's
unique because it's a younger audience, which
has been a big push of mine is to target younger
people, people my age, to really engage them
and help them see what's going on. So I was like,
maybe I will start posting to TikTok. My videos
went viral. And every single video. is like deleted
now but i have like almost i think 400 000 followers
having only posted like a couple times it's crazy
and so they'll delete you if you talk about gender
issues anything i could report like a factual
real story that had happened saying nothing outlandish
nothing um and it's deleted now again let's go
back to my theory that someone's trying to destroy
the country If I was the Chinese government and
I was in control of a social media platform that's
the most addictive and the most used by young
kids, I would have as much confusion on there
as possible. And I would have as much men with
beards and lipsticks and long nails telling you
that all your kids are going to be trans and
have that shit everywhere and never take it down.
who combats this, anyone that starts making sense
and resonates with people, get them out of here.
Just get them the fuck out of here. This is a
propaganda machine. And they're laughing the
whole time. And it is. Owned by China. And it
is some of the most fucking troublesome spyware
that they've ever examined. When guys have back
engineered the Twitter code, the fucking coder
guys have gone over that. They were like, oh,
my God, this is crazy. This is the most invasive
we've ever seen. It has access to your keystrokes.
So like, say, if you're using TikTok and then
you're also like sending emails, it's going to
know what your emails are. It's going to know
it's going to be able to listen to your voice.
It's going to be able. to videotape you. It's
going to have access to all sorts of aspects
of your phone. Not necessarily saying it's going
to use those things, but it's going to have the
access to it. All that's in there. Now imagine
a scenario where China attacks Taiwan. China
attacks Taiwan and all of a sudden we're in this
weird proxy hot war with China as well as a weird
proxy hot war with Russia. And then China starts
fucking with the phones. All these people that
have TikTok on their phones. How many accounts
are there? How many different people can they
target that have children? And then these people
are high level political people. How many people
that are in board meetings? How many people that
are coming home on their phone having conversations
in private with their wife about the real problems
that we have right now with corruption and the
Biden laptop is real? That kind of shit. Right.
They're going to have those. all those recordings
they're going to literally be able to listen
to anybody they want they've paid people what
they've done is really fascinating they've gotten
like high -speed internet routers and cell phone
routers and they sell them cheaper and so people
buy them and they and they've already found that
some of these have third -party accessibility
And they're putting them near nuclear facilities.
The Chinese people are like, we'll sell you these
cell phone towers cheaper. And just put them
over there where you fucking test jets. And we're
like, wow, that saves some money. What a great
idea. And so we buy all their shit. And their
infrastructure is everywhere. They own farmland
everywhere. All over the country. And they own
a lot of farmland that's around military bases.
Right. Is this you saying I should delete TikTok?
I'm saying I'm putting my fucking tinfoil hat
on. I think it's like we were like, no, they
would never do that. If you think about all the
times in history that governments have overthrown
other countries, that have invaded other countries,
and they've done it with the only methods that
were available then. The only methods were available
then. You need tanks and guns and planes and
weapons and bombs and shit. Not anymore. Not
anymore. Now you need fucking cyber stuff. And
with that, you can. literally destroy the way
the morals and the ethics of an entire generation
of people cast aside any ideas. They're trying
to do things now where they're talking about
minor attracted persons. Crazy. And you're seeing
elected politicians, elected officials talking
about being very clear that this is an identity,
that these are minor attracted persons. It's
really. That, right, you have people talking
about pedophiles being maps, they'll call them.
Whether it's this video recently that Libs of
TikTok posted of these children, and I think
Oklahoma may be sucking on toes. Did you see
that? Of teachers or adults or whoever these
people are. Is that what it was? Yes, it was
a fundraiser. The children sucked on the toes
of the adults? No car wash. Sucking Toes was
going to be their fundraiser. It's definitely
adults? Yeah, definitely adults. Or whether it's
now you have these men, the CDC that says men
can produce breast milk and lactate. I got news
for you. Any man, any man who forces a baby to
latch onto his nipple and suck it is using that
baby as an erotic prop. And right, they do this
under the guise of human rights. It is not a
human right for anyone to sexually abuse a child.
So all that to say, there's this big push. So
it seems whether it's the gender ideology movement,
there's this big push to seemingly normalize
pedophilia, which is. grotesque. It is perverse.
It's disgusting. Parents who are OK with this,
Democrats who are OK with this, who vote in favor
of a lot of this nonsense stuff. You're a sellout
to your own child. And honestly, I think there's
a separate conversation that needs to be had
if you are an elected official voting in favor
of this stuff with kids. I think there's a separate
conversation that needs to be had involving CPS,
because, again, that's disgusting. To say the
least. And it's always been morally reprehensible.
It's always been a thing that we wanted to kill
people for. And now all of a sudden we're saying
that it's an identity. Again, if I was trying
to destroy a country, I would throw that into
the educational system. I'd make it seem virtuous
to discuss this in an open -minded and objective
way. Like they can't help who they identify with.
Well, and honestly, right, like, again, being
a Christian, the Bible. tells us that we will
reach a point, and Paul says it in Acts and Romans
and different places, he tells us that we will
reach a point where bitter is seen as sweet,
dark is seen as light, and evil is seen as moral.
It's undeniable that that's not what we're seeing
now. And look, that's not to say that people
who identify as trans are evil. I don't necessarily
think that. But what is evil is deception. Manipulation
is evil. Temptation is evil. Lying and affirming
delusions. That's evil. And that's exactly how
Satan works and how he operates is in the darkness.
But now a lot of it is coming to light again.
Thanks to people like Elon Musk. It sounds loony
when we start having these kind of conversations
about like Satan and evil and good and, you know,
and biblical stories. But I as more as time goes
on, I think that what the Bible is. is i think
at one point in time there was a very sophisticated
society that got wiped out by some sort of a
massive natural disaster and then over time They
told the stories that they had learned since
they stopped writing things down and they probably
had to live like barbarians for thousands of
years. But they always had the stories. It's
like literally the Big Bang. In the beginning,
there was light. If you told that for thousands
of years, that's what that would be. Right. The
Adam and Eve in the garden, the creation that
someone created this. Like that they were trying
to tell us and that men can go down evil, wicked
ways and it can lead to destruction. And these
are some of the symptoms that you'll see when
it leads to destruction. It's like this is like
a map of civilization. It's just so old and it's
been translated so many times from ancient Hebrew
and Aramaic and all these different languages
down to Greek and Latin and English finally.
There's so much like what was really said, what
was really going on, because a lot of it seems
too on the money. Like if we wanted to try to
put this through some sort of a logical filter
or figure out like, is someone really trying
to warn us about the natural progression that
all societies and all civilizations go down if
you don't have a moral compass and if you don't
follow and adhere to the rules of God? Well,
there's still stuff that hasn't yet. Right. Like
what has been prophesied that hasn't yet happened.
So time will tell. Right. I think Jesus is his
return is is past due. Like Dr. Manhattan. Yeah.
If that would be the wildest. Forget about UFOs.
UFOs would be pretty wild UFOs in the White House
lawn would be wild. Jesus on the White House
lawn. Wow. That would be the game changer. I
pray for that. Come back, please. God, do you
think people would even believe it? They would
think, oh my God, this is Illuminati. Our media
would spin it some way. Well, our fucking, just
people on Reddit. The people that are like 4chan
people. What a platform. What a platform. Oh
my gosh, I have seen some of the craziest stuff
on Reddit. And I don't have a Reddit account.
That's not my space. But you go in and look at
things sometimes. But people will post other
Reddit clips. I speak a lot on these on college
campuses, again, with the intention of of really
trying to garner support from the youth, but
also encouraging them to find their own voice
and to be bold and to be leaders themselves.
All done through the Leadership Institute, which
is just a phenomenal group. But a lot of these
college campuses I speak on. The protesters,
when they hear I'm coming, they'll go to Reddit
and they'll start going off, which is hilarious
to look at. But honestly, it's kind of scary.
Like a lot of these people, for instance, I was
at San Francisco State a few months back, which
was my first mistake going to freaking San Francisco.
But I went there with the intention of right.
Like talking about what you and I have talked
about, at least from from that national champ.
championship standpoint, everything that we went
through, why it's important. I went there and
what a naive thought to think that these people,
these students would come with an open mind and
the willingness to have their hearts softened
because they did not. They came with their pitchforks
and fire. And upon me delivering my speech in
a classroom setting, right? So like a podium
at the front, there's seats in the class. Upon
delivering my speech afterwards, A group of protesters
entered into the room, hundreds of them, turned
off the lights, rushed to the front. I'm being
shoved and hit and jostled. I'm so confused what's
going on. Punched, right? But fortunately for
me, men in dresses, their punches don't hurt
that bad. But ultimately, these protesters ended
up holding me for ransom throughout the night.
demanding that if I wanted to make it home to
see my family safely again, I had to pay them
money. All the while, you might be wondering,
OK, well, where are the police? Joe, it's San
Francisco. The police are being held for ransom
in the same room with me. I'm looking at the
police like pretty sure I'm being held against
my will. Pretty sure we call that kidnapping.
Isn't there something you can do to like alleviate?
What's going on here to de -escalate and get
me home safely? No, actually, we can't. We're
not allowed to be seen as anything other than
an ally to that community. The same community
who's on the other side of that door calling
them racist pigs for protecting a white girl
like me. Say that again? They're not allowed
to be seen as anything other than an ally? Right.
This is like a mandate from the police department.
So anything that involves anyone who's trans,
you you have to automatically support regardless
of whether or not that person is the aggressor.
Let me tell you, even is that fair to say? Well,
that's what was communicated to me. Even now,
where there is an ample amount of video footage.
of this happening. There is audio evidence. There
are eyewitness testimonies. Again, the police
were in the room with me. There's footage that
I requested that they never sent me, whether
it was CCTV footage or their body cam footage.
There's an ample amount of evidence to charge
whoever is responsible, whether it's the students,
whether it's the university, whether it's honestly
the police department at this point. They have
come back now. And said that the charges are
alleged. There's nothing they can do. There's
no evidence to prosecute or press charges against
anyone. I'm looking at this. Keep in mind, right,
the dean of students shows up when I'm being
held in this room for hours and hours, four hours,
through the middle of the night in this room.
And the dean of students shows up. He's negotiating
with the students how much I owe each of them
to get out. The price that... I had heard was
agreed upon through the side of the door was
$10 each, which I'm mad about because I think
I'm worth more than $10. They all want $10. Granted,
there's a lot of them. Oh, my God. But how funny
is that? Give us all $10. We're hungry. We'll
leave. We want to go get Subway. But anyways,
the university the next day sent out a university
-wide email to their, I mean, staff, professors,
students, everybody. and said, we are so proud
of our brave students for handling Riley Gaines
in the manner that they did. We know how deeply
traumatic her presence is on this campus, and
so here are some counseling resources for you
guys. Oh, my God. You know, just know we see
you, we stand with you, we see you, we hear you,
we love you. Again. Nowhere in there did they
condemn violence against women, for that matter.
Nowhere in there did they say, we uphold our
First Amendment. And the freedom of speech? No,
of course not. The right to civil discourse?
No, forget it. So. It's so crazy. And that's
just the. San Francisco's fallen. Oh, beyond.
I was in San Francisco. I mean, that's really
like, again, if I was going to ruin a country.
That's how I would do it. I would tell the children,
everyone's amazing. And that assault you did,
that was warranted. And I know how deeply traumatic
that must have been for you. So here's some counseling
because you need counseling. You need to be able
to talk about it. So further fuel your narcissism
and get involved with someone who constantly
wants to talk about you all day. Here's some
counseling. Let's talk about you. Great. I really
need to focus on me. And then more about you
and how amazing you are that you hit this lady
who said that men shouldn't be able to compete
with women. Fucking duh. Yeah. And then there's
nothing that can be done about it. Nothing. Zero.
So which is why it's hard for us. And when I
say us, I really just mean sane people. I'm not
making this conservative versus Republican versus
Democrat type thing. It makes it harder for us
in this space to push back when we have district
courts or our Department of Justice that really
is corrupt. It's incredibly. two -tiered. This
Fanny Willis thing is awesome, though. Yeah,
right? I love it. Isn't it just? It's fun watching
her get sassy when she's getting questioned,
too. And that's so telling, right? When she starts
freaking out and yelling and it's like, babe,
if you just wanted to be this or to have this
guy be your, like, booty call or vice versa.
Yeah, you're not supposed to hire him. What the
fuck? How obvious is that? Also, You can't say
that you fucking paid for everything in cash.
Like, what? Imagine that. Like, this is what
I'll say. Right. This is how I'm going to get
them. I'm going to get them right here. Yeah,
that'll work. I'm going to tell them I paid it
all in cash. Sorry. No records. All in cash.
Where'd you get the cash? I had cash. I just
had it. Where'd you get the fucking cash? You
get $50 ,000 later on? Who does that? But they
do that because they know there's a chance of
it working. Not really. I think she thought the
system is more rigged than it is because I think
most people have never been exposed to national
attention. And you can speak to this. Exactly.
They have no idea what the pressure like that
you've experienced. Like you've experienced some
at a young age as a person who had no desire
to be famous other than be a great athlete. Out
of nowhere, you get hit with this barrage of
attention where you're on Fox News and this and
that, newspapers. And some people are labeling
you in the most horrible way. And some people
were proud that she's standing up for women in
sports. And you got this conflict and you're
in the fucking center of it. And you got crazy
people who rush the stage and hit you. And the
cops say, we can't do anything that doesn't show
us as an ally to that community. That's not even
America. That's la -la land. They're living in
the Willy Wonka Chocolate Factory. Those people
are out of their fucking minds. The Willy Wonka
Chocolate Factory sounds better than America.
It sounds way better. But they're literally out
of their minds. And this is unsustainable. It
is. At some point in time. And we realize that
because, honestly, truth and sanity, they always
prevail. It's just kind of a matter of time.
Unfortunately, it takes... unfortunate circumstances
like the whole leah thomas thing like the san
francisco state thing like the things that continue
to happen it takes those to to really see the
harm and the severity and the likelihood that
they continue at an exponential rate um so again
i kind of look at what's going on or you know
in particular what happened to me as as a lemons
to lemonade thing right you take something that
should have never happened to anyone But you
do good with it. And that's certainly what I've
been trying to do over these past, again, two
years. And it has. There's been a lot of good
stuff that's been done. We see a lot of the negative.
We see a lot of the bad. And certainly that's
what's highlighted because that's what gets attention.
That's what gets clicks. That's what gets likes.
But now, in just two short years, 24 states have
some sort of fairness in women's sports bill
when only, I think three years ago, only one
state. did. So that's pretty incredible. Lots
of traction, lots of momentum. Like I said, four
states implementing a bill now that defines the
word woman. We've seen lots of pushback at the
IOC, the International Olympic Committee. So
there's been lots of good things that have been
done. And I certainly choose to celebrate the
little wins when we get them. Well, what you've
done is very courageous because I know the kind
of pressure that you must have experienced. I
know the hate that's come your way and you handle
it with class. And that is not a learned thing.
And I think that speaks to one of the things
that I think is like one of the most important
things that kids can ever get involved in that
sports. Definitely. I know people think of sports
as being like if you're an intellectual, you
think of as being like a jock or a meathead thing.
It teaches you a resolve. It teaches you when
you have to swim six hours a day, like you have
to be strong mentally. And it transcends beyond
just your athletic achievements. Which is my
point is how you can handle this, the way you
can handle it. And honestly, now, like, I love
pressure. I love it. I love setting goals and
achieving those goals, which sets me up perfectly
for this position. And you're right. Like, I
would highly encourage. My parents did it. My
parents made me play sports. And when, you know,
my dad being a professional football player,
he did not. I won't say he didn't. He never really
cared what sport I played. But when I started
swimming, he's like, Riley, come on. That's not
a sport. I'm like, Dad, it is a sport. Like,
it's hard. Like, we work hard. He's like, no,
Riley, that's not a sport. Then I started dating
a swimmer. And my dad was like, Riley. Any sport,
his justification was any sport where a man has
to wear panties and competes. Like they're gay,
Riley. He's like, you're dating someone who's
gay. I'm like, dad. And now he's my husband.
And now, of course, he knows he's not gay and
he's the best. But it's just. But all that to
say. That sounds funny. Yeah. He's. I had to
refrain him from going in the locker room at
that national championships. I called him. I'm
like, dad, there's a man in. our locker room
because we didn't know this was going to be the
arrangement until we saw it until like we were
actually in there with this again six foot four
man stripping down fully intact exposing himself
inches away from where we were simultaneously
fully undressed right like i can't even put into
words like the the feeling of having your back
turned and all of a sudden like getting naked
hearing a man's voice in the locker room it's
like It was innate, inherent for every girl in
that changing space to cover themselves. Like
whether it was with their hands or their towels
or their clothes, like it was inherent. That's
so psychotic. So I called my dad. I'm like, dad,
there's a man in this locker room. He's like,
Riley, I'm coming down there and I'm going to
handle this myself. And I really was like, dad,
like, like he would, like he would do that. And
I'm like, no, we already have one man in the
locker room. We don't need to. And secondly,
like you'll go to jail. And I don't want you
there. So I got this. I can handle it. Which,
again, the things that I think set me apart from
some of my teammates or competitors or other
people in my same position is playing sports.
I credit so much of my success and impact that's
been had to playing sports. Secondly, it's having
a strong family foundation. I have two parents,
two amazing parents who love each other. Everyone
around me, like my grandparents, all in very
healthy, loving relationships. I don't have a
lot of divorce around me or in my family or anything
like that. I have got lots of siblings. We're
all so close. So I think my family foundation
is a huge aspect to, again, what kind of set
me apart. And third, again, is my faith. Just
knowing the outcome like we've. we just previously
spoke about, like knowing how this all ends and
really trusting that and having faith in that
and just knowing the battle is already won. That's
certainly what keeps me grounded and keeps, you
know, a smile on my face and an incredibly light
heart, even when these crazy freaks at San Francisco
are like. Like running at me. The first thing
I do is pray for them. I'm like, oh my gosh,
you look miserable. And I can't imagine having
that much hatred in my heart. So I think all
of those things are kind of what maybe made me
a little different. The combination of those
things. No one thing over the other, but set
me apart from some of my peers. You're the right
woman for the job when it came along. That's
what it is. It's really like the universe put
you in that position because most people wouldn't
be as. uniquely disciplined about chasing this
down as you are. And it's a big task. Like there's
always something. There's always some story.
There's always someone. You die. Actually, I
know you're similar, right? Where like the messages
I get daily from parents, from coaches, from
young female athletes who this is happening to,
who they don't know what to do. I just talked
to the girl. I don't know if you saw this video.
It was the basketball game in Massachusetts recently
where you've got this like six foot something
guy who injured three girls before halftime of
this game, causing the team to have to forfeit
because they didn't have enough players left
to play the game. Talking with this team and
this girl. Like she's 13 years old and she's
getting pummeled to the ground by this guy. And
she's online reading the comments and stuff,
which I never advise. But she is. And there's
people calling, you know, this girl a wuss and
saying that she's being a baby and she's fine.
And she reads that. And it's really hard for
her. Guarantee those people don't play sports.
Of course not. Right? They're just nuts. You
know what clip I loved? It was on this show talking
about Keith Olbermann. That guy's the gift that
keeps giving. He's the gift that keeps giving.
He is the Babylon Bee version of a Democrat.
He really is. I want to know if he's still crying
urine. Did you see all that? What was going on
with him? The Supreme Court ruling? 9 -0 in Trump's
favor, of course. And he commented back to someone
on social media. It was like someone was... was
basically like, dude, cope, you know, cry harder.
You know, your liberal tears taste awesome. And
he said, these aren't tears, you fascist. It's
pee or urine. And I'm like, what does this mean?
What does this mean? You're crying urine. I'm
so confused. It's crazy to say that's fascist,
too. But I saw this clip on your show where you
were you were highlighting. You know how he came
for me. And I'm like, dude, who are you? I don't
even know who you are. And I'm, yeah, that's
hilarious, right? I very proudly finished my
career as a 12 -time All -American, five -time
SEC champion, the SEC record holder, the fastest
person to ever come out of the SEC in the 200
butterfly, making me one of the fastest Americans
of all time, SEC Scholar Athlete of the Year,
SEC Community Service Leader of the Year. Like,
I mean, I could keep going on. And it's like.
This senile old man wants to attack me? He still
lives with his mom in her basement. I had to
ask my dad. I'm like, who is this guy? I don't
even know who he is. I think he has his own place,
but he's definitely insane. But he's insane in
a very unique way. He used to be a really good
baseball broadcaster. Yeah, my dad loved him.
But then he got really nutty during the Trump
administration. And that Trump derangement syndrome,
that's a real thing. It's a real thing. And I
think there's some people that are fragile already.
The world is just like the anxiety and this and
that. And also this position of being the person
of virtue, the angry, loud voice of reason. That's
a weird banner to carry when you don't have your
own shit together, when your own life is chaos.
Your fucking mental health is very unsteady and
you're out there preaching and telling people
what to do. And as you start losing and Trump's
the president now and you're like, he's going
to get arrested, he's going to get arrested,
and he never gets arrested. Right. And then they're
going to take him off the ballot, take him off
the ballot. He's an insurrectionist. Nope. Supreme
Court says unanimously. No. It's like it just
like further compounds and you never get a win.
You never get a win. You get a little bit of
a win when Biden won and then the chaos after
the Biden administration and all the things that
we knew were true, that he was mentally compromised,
all those things come around. That's not a win.
So then you're just in this constant state of
like anxiety and chaos and saying nonsense things.
Like almost like he wants you to come after him
because you came after him so hard. It was so
funny when you showed like all your medals and
all your shit. Like the fuck are you talking
about, stupid? And my motto is like. Truly, like,
and I feel like I, for the most part, pretty
much live by this, like, don't punch down. Like,
don't give someone attention when that's clearly
what they're vying for is attention. But I literally
could not resist myself when it came to him.
And it was so tragic because I'm showing him,
like, all the accolades and stuff. And as I picked
one of them up, it's a glass trophy. I drop it
and I broke it. But let me tell you, it was so
cool because the SEC. saw this video that I had
made and dropping one of my like all SEC first
team honors and they sent me a new one and they're
like we're so sorry that you had to waste your
time and break a trophy over Keith Olbermann
we wanted to send you a new one good for them
totally good for them that's funny though even
the way you handled it when you dropped it I'm
like whatever I've got more of them who cares
Keith Olbermann I don't care about this trophy
I want this trophy. People like him are really
fascinating because it's the social media interaction.
It compounds mental illness in a way that I have
never seen in my life with anything. There's
nothing like it. It is a zombie apocalypse. It's
weird. There's so many people that are just like
deeply involved in social media interaction all
day long. And look, social media, of course,
is a blessing. I would argue it's a bigger curse
than it is a blessing. And you're right. We see
people like on my X feed who are on there posting
all day long. I'm like, what do you do? Do you
have a family? Do you have a life? Like, do you
work? Like, I'm so confused how you have time.
All day long, every hour of every day to be posting
something. That's their life. It is their life.
There's a lot of people like that. That is their
life. And they sort of accumulate these bubbles
of people that they communicate with. Right.
They stay in these echo chambers and they exist
there forever and they don't go outside. And
they wonder why they're depressed. It's so true.
It is what it is. It's so true. It's what it
is. Yeah. Human bodies, I firmly believe, have
a physical requirement. And if you don't meet
that physical requirement. You've got to get
enough sleep. You've got to drink enough water.
All that. You've got to exercise. You have to.
And you're right. The people. Feel like shit.
Aren't doing these things. Right. They're on
Twitter all day. It's compounding their mental
illness. They're probably already medicated.
Definitely. And then here they are just getting
after it with strangers, getting, fuck you, you're
Hitler, you fucking Nazi. It's like it's so wild
to see. And it's all getting accentuated by algorithms
specifically to try to extend your engagement
and keep you hooked. And then when you see something
like TikTok that will not let opposing viewpoints,
even viewpoints that are – Question. Even if
you question the narrative. But meanwhile, if
you go to China, their TikTok is all about scientific
achievements, athletic achievements, martial
arts. It's all about positive role models, exercise
routines. It's all like super – and you can't
be on after 10 p .m. Go to sleep. Go to sleep.
Get ready for war. Yeah. No, they're laughing
at us. A hundred percent. I'm laughing at us.
How are they not laughing at us? When I see Rachel
Levine stand in front of everybody and give advice
on health, I'm like, what the fuck are you talking
about? It's so true, right? Not only the fact
that this is someone who is injecting themselves
with foreign and unnatural hormones and substances.
Rachel Levine is obese. I'm like, why are you
our assistant secretary of health or whatever
the name is when you're quite literally overweight?
Yeah. Like. Are you sure I should be listening
to you on anything? The whole administration,
they've stuffed some of these very questionable
people that happen to be non -binary or trans
or whatever into these roles just for optics.
That's what they did with that Sam Brinton guy.
The guy that was stealing women's clothes. The
suitcase stealer. He had some job with nuclear
waste disposal. He looks like a Dr. Manhattan
character. You look at him with his shaved head
and his lipstick. He looks like a bad guy in
a superhero movie. Stealing women's clothes.
And you're right. They've sprinkled that throughout
in all of the different departments and realms.
And here we are suffering the consequences. It's
so bizarre because, again, in other wars, you
had to use weapons. That's the way to do it.
I mean, they had espionage. They definitely did
steal information and find out strategies and
tactics. Not like today, where you can literally
infiltrate a whole section of the country and
have them believe that they have to adhere. If
you're going to be left, if you're going to be
on the side of the good people that want a social
safety net and they want welfare and free education,
if you're going to be on that side, you also
have to be on the side where perverts don't exist
anymore. There's no more sex offenders. There's
no more pedophiles. There's minor attracted people
and trans men and gender dysphoria is just problematic
and transphobic. And what it really is is just
your identity. And there's a spectrum of genders.
And if you don't use Z -Zur, we're going to put
you in a cage. Crazy. But so true. But this is.
It's reality. But this is 2024. This didn't exist
in 2004. No. What does 2044 look like? And that's
honestly what we should be asking ourselves.
I think too often we get kind of wrapped up in
like. the here and the now. And ultimately, that's
how we've gotten to this point, right? You give
an inch, they take a mile type thing. And we
don't see the harm in it at the time. But yeah,
we should be looking ahead 20 plus years, five
years at this matter. Things are so expedited.
We should be looking ahead five years. And again,
if we're willing to deny man and woman, what's
the next thing they're going to ask us to deny?
And it sounds crazy, but like age, we've seen
Some people who identify as trans age out of
Canada and different places, even some here in
the States, who write this story of this like
55 -year -old some man competing with the 13,
14 girls. He identifies as a 15 -year -old girl.
Which sounds crazy. And changed in the locker
room with them. It sounds crazy, but denying
age is the exact same premise as denying sex.
You can't deny race yet. No, not yet. That's
the line. Not yet. Some people have tried it
with Korean. Yeah. That one dude, he said that
he was transracial. He believes he's Korean.
So he got his face operated on so he'd look with
more Korean -like features. He's come around
now. He's not anymore? Well, I don't know the
status of surgical procedures. I think he has
a book out now that talks about kind of like
how he was totally enthralled in like K -pop
and all this stuff and really believed to be
a part of this. But now it's like and like all
the woke gender ideology stuff. And now he's
totally like, whoa, what did I do? Now he's going
to go to CPAC. Now he's going to go to CPAC.
That's what he's doing now. That would be a good
move for a guy like that strategically for a
career. If you want more attention, just go hard
right. All the way. No looking back. I want to
be a man again, it says. Oh, his detransitioning
journey. Yeah, but it says I want to be a man
again. Was he ever a woman? I don't know what
the title was. This is just like the beginning
of the thing. Yeah. There's always been crazy
people, folks. And when you give crazy people
the opportunity to be protected under the walled
garden of the LGBTQTI plus. You're inviting crazy
people to infiltrate your organization, which
will fuck up any legitimate concerns that people
have of letting people live whatever way they
want to live. The way I look at this and the
way I look at all things is I don't ever want
to tell people what to do. I don't want to tell
anybody what to do. But I'm always very concerned.
When people do want to tell people what to do.
Because I know what that thought process. It
sets off. Yeah. It sets off alarms. Yeah. Because
like, I don't want to control people. Why are
you trying to control people? Right. What is
your thing about? Some people like to control
people. It's a natural inclination that human
beings have had since the beginning of time.
They do it through gossip and rumor and try to
destroy people's character. Right. They do it
through subterfuge and sabotage and espionage.
They want fucking power. Of course. It's normal.
and natural. And if you just operate on that
principle always, look at the people that are
trying to restrict your rights. And why are they
doing that? Why are they doing that? Because
people do that. That's a thing people do. You
might not do that because you're a good person.
Maybe you're just a normal person who wants to
just live a normal life and play golf on the
weekends and have a family and be normal. There's
people out there, that's not their game. That's
not their game. Their game is a different game.
And you've got to be able to see that. And if
you can't see that, you're just going to go along
with it because you're a good person. And you
will life offend, affirming, saving, gender affirming
care. You just say the words. Right. They don't
even mean anything to you. You're just saying
what everybody in your cult says. Totally. And
I could not agree more. Right. These people who
say, you know, you're transphobic or you're anti
-trans. First of all, that doesn't hurt my feelings.
I don't really care if someone says that about
me. But second of all, look, my stance isn't
anti -trans. Just like you said, what someone
else does behind closed doors, what Leah Thomas
does behind closed doors. No, I don't support
it. No, I don't agree with it. But live your
life just like I'm going to live my life. Like
you said, I don't want someone telling me how
to live. So, no, I don't agree or support. But
do as you do. It shouldn't cost my taxpayer dollars.
It shouldn't affect my rights. But if it doesn't,
by all means. Really, the stance that I'm taking,
that I feel like majority of Americans have taken,
is advocating for transparency more than anything.
Right? Like, if something is advertised for women,
boom, it's for women. That's not to say you can't
have a co -ed team. But it's only women that
are getting harmed by this. Only women. The whole
thing. And it was always to protect women until
women became... less oppressed than someone else,
and that is trans women. And that's what they
did. It's the Depression Olympics. It really
is. There was the regional college track and
field meet where a male runner competing on the
women's team at Rochester Institute of Technology,
RIT, in New York, this past week competed, broke
the regional meet record, of course. The girl
who got second was an African -American female.
Let's call this what this is. This is a white
man standing atop the podium, left, crickets.
Nothing. Nothing. So I think oppression Olympics
is actually a great way to put it. Really what
it is, because no matter who you are, trans trumps
that. It's the ace. It's the top. It's the top.
And if you're a black trans man, or I guess what
they would call, I guess a black trans identifying
male, you're the king. Black trans woman or black
trans man? See, it's a male. It's trans woman,
but I don't like saying all that, remember? Oh,
okay, right, right, right. Silly stuff. So trans.
A trans -identifying male who is black, who's
a man who identifies as a woman. You win. You
are the winner. You are the most oppressed, which
what an odd world we live in to where you want
to be a victim. You want to be marginalized.
You want to be an oppressed because what's the
alternative? An oppressor. And we have learned
as a society that there is nothing worse than
being an oppressor. So you'll do anything and
not to dilute what it means to be trans or people
who genuinely struggle with gender dysphoria,
not to dilute this, but people would much rather
be oppressed than be an oppressor. And the white
man has always been the oppressor. Not anymore.
They found a way to really curb that. Just say
you're a woman. Grow out your hair, put some
lipstick on. And you can dominate women. And
you can get into women's prisons. That's a big
push we've seen. 47 biological males are in California
prisons right now. Crazy. You know how many went
into, you know how many, to your point, how many
women went into men's prisons in California?
How many? One. She had three months left of her
sentence. So no time. But yeah, we've seen in
New Jersey. Ohio, California, Kansas, New York.
In New York, they have posted placards in all
women's prisons talking about pregnancy prevention.
And you know what they did in California prisons?
Over Super Bowl, on Super Bowl Sunday, where
everyone's distracted, right? Like, no one's
paying attention. They had supervisors come in,
working overtime, to implement in women's facilities,
women's prisons, condom dispensers and dental
dams. So not only look, look, sex in prisons
is not allowed. It's not. I mean, you're not
allowed to do that or not supposed to do that
anyways. But by putting condoms in all women's
facilities, not only are you essentially allowing
it, it's as if you're encouraging it. Yeah. Crazy.
It's nuts. But I mean, how many pregnancies did
they have before they had to do that? How many
instances of STDs did they have before they had
to do that? And that's the thing I've seen in
California prisons now where AIDS and HIV is
running rampant in women's prisons. I know it.
It's crazy. But again, to your point, like even
the whole language thing we talked about, like
we don't see men's language being. And infiltrated
and taken over like we have this attack on the
word woman or the word female. There was just
a bill in California again last week where it
would replace female in all state statute with
the word person. We're not seeing that go the
other way. I think for a couple of reasons. First
and foremost, men wouldn't put up with it for
a second. Could you imagine, right? Like women
are now called cervix havers. or uterus owners,
or menstruators, or bleeders, or chest feeders,
or birthing person. Could you imagine the equivalent,
right, to egg producer? If we started calling
men sperm producers, or we started calling men
erection havers, could you imagine the outrage
from men? But it shows you, too, like, the minute
men felt threatened with the whole Bud Light
thing. Bud Light essentially lost $27 billion
overnight. But their next commercial, which shows
you how money moves a lot of this stuff, their
next commercial was a big burly man on a motorcycle
with a camo can. Like, they're not following
red or blue. They're following green. But it
shows you, too, like, we talk a lot, especially
in this space that I've kind of been involved
in, of the physical differences between men and
women. But I think how the whole language scene.
How I portray it is we see the innate characteristic
differences between men and women because the
same assertive dominant men who have always and
will always be men are the same men claiming
to be women demanding the language that we use.
And the same apologetic, emotionally driven,
empathetic women who have been and will always
be women, when they enter into a man's space,
they're not demanding anything. Because, again,
they're the same women they always have been.
And it shows the differences that we possess
within our characteristics almost innately. Without
a doubt. And it's such an important point to
point out because this is the problem that a
lot of feminists are having, where these biological
males are calling themselves women and entering
into these women's spaces and then dominating
the way men dominate things. Right. And behaving
the way men behave. Of course. And it's... unfortunately,
a lot of it is supported by a lot of these older
liberal women, which is really strange. It's
like they can't see, like, this is you. This
is your group. And for being virtuous for the
sake of, like, signaling to the tribe that you're
willing to be a fucking loon and buy into this
where it makes no sense whatsoever, it's a tribal
thing. It's a cult thing. I testified before
Congress last month or whenever it was about
the importance of or I guess really urging the
Biden administration to halt with their illegal
administrative rewrite of Title IX. I've testified
before Congress and the Senate many times. And
so which it's unfathomable to me that a 23 year
old recent college graduate college swimmer at
that has to go to D .C. to sit in front. of our
members of Congress, again, the beating heart
of the American Republic, and explain to them
that men and women are different. And then to
be on the other side of that table and watch
as they have these super confused looks on their
faces. And so I'm there testifying. One of the
Democrat witnesses, I forget her name, but she
was the president of the National Women's Law
Center. In her testimony, she says that women
should just learn how to lose more gracefully.
I'm like, Did you really just say that? And you're
the president of the National Women's Law Center.
What a disgrace you are. What a crazy thing to
say. And it was hilarious because Representative
Lee, a Democrat from Pennsylvania, she was the
ranking member, supposed to be, I believe, Katie
Porter, who didn't show up. But anyways, ranking
member Lee. She starts reading her opening monologue.
The first words that come out of her mouth is
she says, I can't believe that I'm forced to
sit here and listen to this transphobic bigotry.
And really, I felt so sad when I heard that,
because, again, a sitting member of Congress.
And she resorts to name calling, not dissuading
from my side with facts or logic or reasoning
or common sense or science. What happened to
follow the science? Right. Name calling. And
so it's my turn to read my testimony. And I read
it. I finish it. And I didn't even mean to say
this, but it just kind of came out of my mouth.
And I looked at her and I said, Representative
Lee, if my opening testimony makes me transphobic,
then understand, by your own logic, your opening
monologue makes you a misogynist. Which, as you
can imagine, sent the hearing into a tailspin.
I don't think she... has ever actually heard
this word misogynist accurately used in a sentence.
Because about 60 seconds later, after her staff
ran over to her and showed her the definition,
about 60 seconds later, she raises her hand and
she says, I want her words removed from the record
on the grounds of engaging in personalities,
is what she said, which. Marjorie Taylor Greene
was in that hearing. And so she buzzes in and
she says, I would call a man posing as a woman,
someone who's engaging in personalities. And
then it's like then it's really like I'm like,
oh, gosh, what have I done? No, it's a Jerry
Springer show. Totally. I'm like, oh, gosh, people
are about to start jumping over tables. But anyways,
let it be known. congressional record still stands
there was no grounds to remove my words uh she
is in fact still listed as a misogynist her wikipedia
page even says it because someone sent it to
me the other day which i think is hilarious but
anyways all that to show um they hate when their
own intersectional language is used against them
am i thinking behind that right like if being
pro -woman because that's my stance it's pro
-reality pro -fairness pro -truth pro -common
sense pro -woman right if being pro -woman is
seen as anti -trans then wouldn't being seen
as being pro -trans inherently be anti -woman.
And what do we call someone who's anti -woman?
A misogynist. We call them a misogynist. Yeah.
It's just, it's so strange that the language
has been twisted so far that just saying what
you were saying about protecting women's sports,
this person, their first response is to call
it bigoted transphobia. It's so strange. Like,
if you don't agree with me, you're Hitler. It's
that far off. It is. It is. The names I've been
called, right, everything under the sun, transphobic,
homophobic, racist, white supremacist, domestic
terrorist, a fascist, the list goes on. Which,
again, it makes those words lose their meaning.
It does. Like being a racist is a terrible thing.
But you're going to call me a racist for saying
that women deserve equal opportunities? Not really
sure how that equates. And when you say that,
the word racist loses its... Yeah, it's just
people playing a game. It's whack -a -mole. They
just find a target and they think they can go
after it and they throw all their stupid words
at it. And there's a giant percentage of this
country that's mentally ill and also unstable
in the sense of how they view the future. They
see what's going on in Gaza. They see what's
going on in Ukraine. They see President Biden
getting tripped by ghosts. And they're like,
what the fuck are we doing? Like, what is this?
And they're all terrified. And they're engaged
in all this online nonsense all day long, arguing
with people. And they think they're activists
and they're blocking the highway for climate
change. They're just like a giant swath of our
populations out of their fucking minds. And I
don't fault them. You're being raised through
this coddling university system. You're being
introduced as a young, influential person to
these preposterous Marxist ideas that have never
worked anywhere that I always equate with rabies.
It's like rabies kills like 99 percent of the
people. Imagine being someone who's like, yeah,
but it's just like no one's figured out how to
do rabies right. Like I'm going to do rabies
right. That's what communism is. It's totally
it's ruined every single fucking country it's
ever. been implemented in and we're like yeah
but we got to do it right but we can do it it's
the dumbest fucking idea of all time but young
people are easily suggestible are easily influenced
they don't they don't have life experiences they
don't have a especially if you've never engaged
in anything good truly difficult one thing i
notice about like high level athletes in particular
is that they're There's no room for bullshit.
There's no room for bullshit. If you're in the
pool six hours a day, there's no room for bullshit.
There's no room for your fake talk and nonsense
and this is what it is and if I don't appreciate
it for what it is, then I'm losing time. Then
I'm fucked and I'm behind. It's like there's
a level of discipline that's involved. And it's
one of the reasons why high -level athletes make
great leaders because they have the ability to
discern what's real and what's not real because
they've had to deal with it with themselves.
Exactly. Whereas a lot of people just don't.
And so they just find other people online that
can affirm their feelings. And then I developed
a new Neo pronoun. And they're like, oh, you're
amazing. It's like they get fucking cat ears
on Twitch all day. We're like, this is the future.
But it's true. This is our future. It is. I find
that to be very true. There's, I think, an Ernst
& Young study that showed, I think, 94 % of female
executives, so C -level executives, so like a
CEO, CMO, whatever, 94 % of those women were
female athletes, which is to your point. It's
because they understand leadership. They understand
having a sense of... self that's bigger than
yourself. Like it's these people who haven't
played sports or really haven't been involved
in anything other than like their weird activism.
Like they don't understand what being on a team.
And working together towards a goal, a tangible,
real goal, is like. And that's why they're all
selfish and narcissistic and entitled and little
babies. Well, it's a much more difficult path.
And most people aren't going to be willing to
do it. They're not going to have the willpower.
They're not going to have the discipline. And
they're not going to continue, especially when
you think about, like, your athletic career and
how many accomplishments you achieved and then
kept going and kept going and kept going. It's
a very different mindset. But it's a mindset
that if you can acquire at a young age, it does
come with time. sacrifice and it comes with you're
going to miss a lot of stuff. If you can acquire
that, it will be a superpower for the rest of
your life. Of course. And there's people that
appreciate that. And there's people that don't
understand that they're malnourished. They don't
understand they're malnourished emotionally,
physically, psychologically. They're malnourished.
They haven't experienced enough truly difficult
things like where they've had to power through
and develop confidence and understand themselves.
To the point where they don't even know what
that means. No. So they're just out there screaming
out the window. Screeching. Like the lady with
the beanie on in the street. Ah! She's my favorite.
She's my favorite. That fucking meme comes up
so often. I love that lady. You like it every
time. I bet she's a Republican now. Probably.
I bet she got red -pilled. She's been red -pilled.
Yeah, she's been red -pilled. She probably started
watching some YouTube clips going, hey, wait
a minute. Jordan Peterson makes some really good
posts. Yeah. No, honestly. No, it's all true.
It's a crazy world. Crazy times. Yeah. But here
we are. Yeah. At least we can talk about it.
And I think there's more people that are listening
now than ever before because there's outlets
where you can actually have these conversations
instead of being trapped in some fucking MSNBC
bubble. And it's real now. It's reality now.
It's not just people saying things that sound.
You know, like we were mentioning, like, I never
want to sound like some big conspiracist or doomsday
person who's like preparing for the end of the
world. Right. Like, but, but, but, but it's like
the stuff that maybe like we've said five years
ago, 10 years ago, like we thought, oh, that
will never happen. Right. We've arrived. Yeah,
we've arrived. We're here. And I went off the
train. I went off the roller coaster. But it's
not that easy. And people are realizing that,
like I said. So I think due time. It's hard to
experience something and not be aware. that this
is very unusual and it's just normal life for
us. It's like, God, life is so crazy. But yeah,
but if you could look at this from an overhead
perspective, if you had like a graph and showing
what's happening in the world from 2004 to 2024,
you'd be like, whoa. And I honestly think about
that with myself. Like I was one of those people,
right? Like again, always been Christian, always
have aligned with conservative values. But I
had my head down. I was focused on my success,
more importantly, my team's success. I was focused
on my career. I was focused on my personal relationships,
getting married at a young age in college. I
was focused on not the cultural stuff going on
around the world. So I think to myself, it is
so unfortunate that I had to be directly impacted
before I cared. But I did. Like, I honestly did.
And if all of us have that same mindset that
unfortunately I had, like, it's too late. We're
screwed, quite frankly. Like, that's why it's
crucial that you find your voice. You speak up
about stuff. You call out an injustice when you
see it. You hold their feet to the fire before
you're directly impacted. Because, again, if
we all wait just like I did, and I wonder to
myself, like, Obviously, this is not the path
I would be on if I hadn't spoken up about it
at the time. But like, would I? I shouldn't say
what I care. I think I would always care. But
like, would I take action to do something about
it if it hadn't impacted me? Probably not. Like
being real here. Like, I know myself. I know.
Again, I always would have seen it as wrong and
something that's harmful to society for sure,
but not enough harm. being done that I would
feel compelled to speak about it. But it took
me being impacted. So if it can be of encouragement
to anyone else and why it's crucial that we do
find our voices and we do act boldly and courageously,
which I hate to say, it even requires courage
to say the things that you and I say, like, that
shouldn't be courageous. That shouldn't be brave.
No, you know who's brave? What about those three
soldiers who were just transferred back? from
Jordan a couple weeks ago or our law enforcement
officers or first responders or our veterans
or our active duty officers. Like, those people
are brave. Not me for saying there are two sexes,
you can't change your sex, and each sex is deserving
of equal opportunity, privacy, and safety. But
it is. I understand that it does require a sense
of courage. So if that can be an encouragement.
I agree with everything you said about soldiers.
first responders, but you're being very brave
as well. It's like there's a real social pushback
that's very difficult for a lot of people to
handle. And in a time where people are so concerned
with mental health, why are you not concerned
with the mental health of people that you attack?
Because you're not, because you treat them as
non -humans. And you're allowed to do it under
the guise of tolerance and acceptance. But that
is not what I see. It's nonsense. And it's a
trap. It's a trap for them, too. You're not supposed
to be behaving like that. You should be embarrassed
yourself if this is the way you engage with ideas.
If your ideas were strong enough to stand on
their own, they should be. They should be debated
with a bunch of people that are rational and
level -headed and can talk about the pros and
cons of each one of those things. And if they
did that, this trans thing would have never gotten
into women's sports. Not a single fucking time.
All the data, every single piece of data, shows
that men have an advantage. They have an advantage
in spatial geometry. They have an advantage in
lung size, heart size. They have an advantage
in the shape of the hips. They have an advantage
pretty much across the board in bone density,
except some populations of African Americans.
american women but then in some men you know
like weightlifters are different like there's
a bunch of variabilities but reaction time is
way faster there's a bunch of things and there's
also the male mind like the hunter -gatherer
mind that's a real thing right there's something
to that and it's why men win at chess doesn't
make any fucking sense right like why aren't
women better at chess Why do men win at pool?
What is it about the high -level competitors
and a bunch of these different things that don't
seem to require physical strength where men still
win? Because there's some creepy advantage that
men have. And I get pushback for this all the
time, especially on the chess thing. Like I say,
if it's a women's chess tournament, men shouldn't
play. And people will come for me, the trans
rights activists, and they'll say, oh my gosh,
you're saying that women are... stupider than
men. And I'm like, hold on. First of all, it's
not what I'm saying. Second of all, I don't care
if it's chess. I don't care if it's poker. I
don't care. I don't care what it is. Again, if
it's for women, it's for women, bottom line.
Right. So, yeah. If it's a woman's tea party.
It's for women. It's for women. Yeah. It's like
they just want a place where they could have
no men. Yeah. That should be okay. Yeah. It should
be okay if men want to have a men's only cigar
bar. That should be okay. Yeah. If it's your
business. It's a good point. It goes both ways.
Like we talk a lot about the perspective from
women's privacy and safety and different things
being threatened, but men are just as deserving
as single sex basis. But here's the difference.
Men don't feel physically threatened if a trans
man is in the locker room with me. No. Like if
a trans man's in the locker room with me, I'm
like, what's up, dude? Like, I don't care. Right.
I'm not nervous you're going to rape me. Right.
Right. I'm not nervous. You can see my dick.
This is normal stuff. Right. But if a woman is
in a locker room with a fully intact man who's
six foot four is walking around pretending he's
a woman. That's madness. Now you're like, oh,
my God, like the no rules apply. Exactly. What
happened to perverts? They're still there. Yeah.
They're still there. But now they're amazing.
But now they're beautiful. It's just a weird
fucking thing that everyone's accepted. And that
to push back on it like this is seen as so problematic.
Controversial. It's so transphobic. It's just
so confusing. But I think it's shifting the other
way. I really do. Because I see it with young
kids today. I see it with like high school kids.
I see it with most people that I interact with
on a daily basis are happy that someone is saying
something about this instead of just what they
see in The New York Times and what they see in
all the mainstream, which if you had to like
make a list of all mainstream media, whether
it is newspapers, magazines, television channels,
what's the ratio? of liberal to conservative
is it like 10 to 1 8 to 1 what is it i mean probably
about right especially if you're looking at a
lot of the local yeah local outlets local papers
right like there's a ton more liberal outlets
i think from you know mainstream media like we
have cnn and we have fox um but in terms of who
controls the media definitely I mean, probably
10 to 1. I don't know. If I wanted to destroy
the country and I was some evil person from another
planet or wherever and I had my tinfoil hat and
I was looking at this, like, I would say, well,
this is a good way to do it. Like, just control
all the media and have all the media say all
these things like life -saving, gender -affirming
care. Say those statements a lot and, you know,
trans rights and this administration is committed
to trans rights. Oh, trans rights. That's important.
And, like, everybody else is a Nazi, so you've
got to be on board with this. I want to know.
You know, I hear all the time trans rights are
human rights. Literally, what right do you or
I possess that a trans person or someone who
identifies as trans doesn't possess? It's a good
point. They have extra ones. Exactly. But honestly,
it's so true. Exactly. Like the whole idea of
all the DEI, affirmative action stuff. We are
living in a time, the most diverse and inclusive
as a nation we have ever been. Yet people are
still acting like this is the most oppressed
they've ever been. Which shows you truly, like,
these people aren't happy with themselves. Like,
if you have to demand what someone else calls
you to feel affirmed. You're clearly not secure
enough with yourself. And I'm not going to affirm
that. If you don't even know what you are, you
expect me to know what you are? No way. You don't
even know what you are. Well, it's a compliance
thing. But it's like, look, there's always going
to be people taking advantage of any sort of
discourse, any sort of like. open subject of
discussion that's hot on everybody's mind, which
is whether it's race or any when it's race, you're
always going to have race hustlers. You're always
going to have these Al Sharpton type characters
slide on in and they act as a spokesperson. And,
you know, and there's always going to be business
behind that. Like Jesse Jackson had like a whole
business behind that. And you're always going
to have these folks. They're always going to
have these folks that, you know, may. provide
some good but also make a lot of money and they're
They're at the forefront of all these things.
And you're going to have that with trans rights.
You're going to have that with gay rights. You're
going to have that with everything. You're always
going to have some people that capitalize on
something and they interject themselves into
it and they use it to like stir people up. And
they always call people either racist or transphobic
or homophobic. And they use all those pejoratives.
You're always going to have those people. But
we have to learn how to ignore those morons.
We have to learn how to just recognize like that
person. And honestly, like what I've realized.
Because, again, like initially taking that first
step, it was hard for me to read a lot of the
things that were written. And like because, again,
a very natural woman, I think thing, I think
a pretty human thing like I don't I don't want
to ruffle feathers. I don't want to step on toes.
I don't want to be disrespectful. So it's hard
for me to read a lot of what was being said about
me online. But I realized pretty quickly, honestly,
that the. The hate and the attacks that I were
getting were kind of they kind of fell into three
categories. One of three. One, it was calling
me some sort of phobia or ism. And like I said,
those words lost their their meaning pretty quickly
to me, too. It was some sort of personal attack,
like you're ugly or like your hair extensions
look bad. And I'm like, this is my real hair.
Thank you. Question mark or something to the
effect of maybe you should have just trained
harder, which is. Keith Olbermann. Right. Someone
eating Cheetos. Exactly. And once you realize
once you realize there's no substance to anything
these people are saying, really. And understanding
the profiles, because, again, all of this is
pretty much done through social media. I will
tell you, other than protesters I've had like
at campuses or events or something like I have
never once had someone in my day to day life
come up to me and say. something negative but
i've had thousands say something positive so
again most of this is done through social media
what i've noticed about the profiles it's coming
from they don't have a profile picture a lot
of time they're scared to put their own face
and name to it two uh they are someone who you
can tell has never played a sport in their entire
life and who has no grasp of of the importance
of playing sports and honestly the importance
of winning and succeeding in your sport and how
hard that is and how hard it is to do exactly
once you once i realized this conglomerate of
things I thought to myself, gosh, this speaks
a whole lot more to their own insecurities than
it does my own. And now I have no problem reading
these comments. And most of the time I don't
read them. You're reading the comments of people
that you would never communicate with in real
life. Exactly. And also a bunch of those burner
accounts, they're probably not even American.
No. It's probably a lot of troll farms are attached
to it because it's a socially viable issue. And
understanding like social media is so not representative
of. reality of real life so where you get these
influx of negative comments that's not representative
of any normal population even in like your most
liberal states like this issue consistently polls
at 75 plus percent of americans even in san francisco
oh i don't know about san francisco san francisco
maybe 75 the other way yeah honestly no everyone
should be trans yeah right you know what i'm
hoping i'm really genuinely hoping this is the
cure for all this If genetic engineering reaches
a point where someone actually can become a woman.
Okay, but what's the qualifications for that?
What would you say a man who fully became a woman,
what would that mean? Like a uterus? Everything.
Well, what is it? Is it like a uterus implant?
No. Like we switch it all up. So? You put them
in a box. Like a Barbie? You hit the button.
And you come out. Matilda. I'll wait for that
day. You get to be a woman. I mean, that's the
only way it's ever going to really work. Because
this idea of, like, surgery. I don't know if
I'm... Like, all you're doing is art. You're
doing art on a person's body. But wouldn't that
be a machine that did that, too? No, no, no.
It's cellular. It's molecular. Oh. It's breaking
down your DNA. Okay, so you're talking about
changing, like, chromosomes. Yeah. Well, in the
future, they're going to be able to do something
probably pretty similar to that. They're already
developing ways to edit genes. In China, these
guys got arrested because they made these kids
smarter. They literally edited the genes. They
said they were just doing it to prevent HIV.
Like, oh, we made them smarter. Whoops. Whoops.
Accidental. Sorry. And this is all just, by the
way, what we know about. I'm sure there's some
top secret stuff that they've tried on human
beings. There's no way they haven't. In the HIV
era, in the AIDS epidemic, they – They experimented
on foster kids. They experimented with vaccines
on foster kids and killed some of them. It's
documented. You could read all about it. The
idea that they wouldn't clone people, shut the
fuck up. They will do whatever they want. Whatever
they want. Especially in China, somewhere they
can get away with it. So they're going to get
to a point where they understand how to create
a human being. And they'll probably say, listen,
Riley, you know, as you get older, wouldn't it
be nice to take your 80 -year -old brain, stick
it in 20 -year -old Riley's body? Let's go. I'd
like that. It would be dope, right? And then
people are going to go, well, you know, it's
really effective. My aunt did it, and she's incredible
now. And you're an 80 -year -old person with
a 20 -year -old body. And eventually they're
just going to be able to turn you into whatever
they want. It's going to be very bizarre. They're
going to be able to change your height, change
your intellect, change if they. find certain
things that would lead you to maybe have tuberculosis.
They'll delete that, change this, edit that.
Yeah, we're going to be editing human beings.
Which sounds crazy. But this, what we're living
through would have sounded crazy 10 years ago.
This is crazy. I mean, you and I could FaceTime.
I could be in Hawaii and you could be on Mount
Everest. And if there's surface up there, you
could FaceTime. You could just talk to someone
on the other side of the planet instantaneously.
It's bananas. And we just take it for granted.
We take for granted that we all have like...
We could make a movie with this stupid little
thing that sits in our pocket. Crazy. And we
have access to any... Any answer to any question
we can have, as long as Google approves it. As
long as Google approves it. You know one of the
things that Google didn't approve? Tell me. That
story about the trans woman who, through Canadian
services, so this is paid for by the Canadian
government, decides that they want to breastfeed.
And breastfeeds and develops milk through these
medications and breastfeeds their nine -month
-old baby. Sick. I tried Googling this. I couldn't
find it. Sick. I go page after page after page.
I go straight to DuckDuckGo. Bam. It's the second
article. Crazy. I'm like, they're hiding this.
They're hiding this story that is relevant. No.
Did it? Maybe it's me. Maybe there's something
with my Google algorithm. No, but it's true.
No, but this is February 2018. This is a new
one. The new one is a 50 -year -old man who there's
something creepy about him. This is a new one,
Jamie. This isn't the one. See, this is why I
couldn't find it. Go to DuckDuckGo. Is it right
there? Oh, that's right. They're HIV positive.
That's right. This is an HIV positive man, but
two, by the way, who's breastfeeding his baby.
Oh, my God. Super cool. Super. Super cool. Okay.
How innovative. You can find it. I couldn't fucking
find it, Jamie. Maybe they changed it after we
complained about it because I complained about
it more than once. But I found it on DuckDuckGo
like that. Oh, my gosh. Like that. But that story
is insane. And if you have a hard time, and Google
does, they curate searches. It's a fact. Of course.
And Robert Epstein, who's a guy who's sort of
documented how this affects elections, says this
is essentially election manipulation to the point
where statistically you can prove that due to
search engine results, you can move a candidate
one way or the other, that it's possible. Because
if you Google Donald Trump and you only find
the most horrendous negative things. Donald Trump's
success and then you find corruption and scandal
and greed. That's all you can find. And it takes
forever and ever. Right. But if you say Joe Biden
and you talk about the accomplishments, the up
in the economy, the three years, everything's
going great. Look at the inclusiveness. Look
at how many lesbians are in the office. And when
you do that, if that's all you find, a certain
percentage of low information voters are going
to go to that. And it's enough to move the needle
by like 10 percent, 13 percent. Probably more
than honestly with how. how much people rely
on social media. Yeah. Honestly. And when you
saw what Google did with their fucking wacky
AI, where their wacky AI would not show white
men. I don't even, I can't even. It's so crazy.
The founding fathers. Do they realize they're
creating, like when they do stuff like that,
they create more of a divide. Again, under the
guise of unity. I don't think they realized how
nutty they had programmed that. Or again, maybe
they want the divide. I don't think they realized
how nutty they had programmed it, nor do I think
even though they're in the internet, I think
they're in the internet in this very leftist
liberal bubble. And I don't think they truly
comprehend like 4chan and truly comprehend all
the people that are going to be very suspicious
of Google's AI and ask it trick questions. I
want to know what Google's AI says about you.
Oh, God. I don't know. It can't be good. That's
actually a good thing. It can't be good. But
I mean, you know. Fortunately, I've achieved
escape velocity. It's big enough for people to
actually know who I am. You can talk all the
shit you want. It's a good point. Yeah, but that's
what it is. But it takes a while to get there.
And they'll try to stop you every step of the
way. And if you do achieve escape velocity, then
they kind of shut up about you because then they
realize every time they talk about you, it actually
makes you bigger. Which is this whole stuff with
Donald Trump. Like everything that's going on.
With taking him off the ballots and I mean, all
the different attacks they've had on him, trying
to indict him and arrest him and blah, blah,
blah. It's significantly helping him. Again,
are they that stupid where they don't realize
it? Or like, are we are we being naive? Is this
something they're going for? Like, I just it's
hard to it's hard to grasp. It's hard to fathom.
Well, it's people in a spiral and it's like.
You know, people that are really emotional, they
don't realize that what they're doing is actually
hurting it. You know, just screaming out a car
window. It's a fuck you. No, fuck you. You're
not getting anything done. You're not getting
anything done here. No, but they're just caught
up in it and they just want him to lose. And
they had hope. They saw that he was being removed
from ballots like, yes, justice is served. It's
all those Biden super fans. The New York Times
interviewed all these fucking zombies walking
around New York City with their little dogs.
He's the best. They're out of their fucking minds.
No disrespect to little dogs, Carl. I was going
to say, justice for Carl. Justice for Carl. We
love Carl. But these people are literal zombies,
and there's a lot of them. Too many. And enough
people that aren't that have to recognize that
this is what you're dealing with. You're dealing
with a giant percentage of the population that's
literally lost its marbles. So what do we do?
Keep talking. Keep talking, Riley. Yeah. Because
people will listen to you. I was hoping you'd
give me something more profound. I don't think
there is. Honestly, though, like, it is mind
-numbing to a degree to have to keep saying the
same thing. Right. Like, I'm sick of saying that
men and women are different. Yeah. But it is.
I do. I agree. Like, you have to understand,
like, not everyone hears that. So many people
are deceived. Like, you can't even blame them.
because they don't know right from wrong. You
can't blame them for not doing right if they
were never really taught right. They don't know
what right is. They've probably been taught something
completely different than that. They've probably
been taught some very skewed version of reality.
And, you know, unfortunately, there's no like
mental health test to see if you should be raising
children. You just get to raise them. And you're
if you're a loon, your kids are probably going
to be loony, too. And the only thing that's going
to get them out of them are at least castrating
themselves or not reproducing. I just don't know
how those people get out of this. I think for
the logical sane people, there's enough of us
talking that we're just going, this is insane.
Like what you're doing is you're leading us down
this road to demise and there's no roadmap. No
one knows where we're going. And if you're going
to change the definitions of everything and what
Vivek... wisely calls the tyranny of the oppressed,
that the oppressed are forcing everyone else
to comply with their desires and needs. And he's
right about that because that is what it is.
And they feel because they have that title, they're
above all the tyranny of the oppressed. Exactly.
Yeah. But if people listen to you, actually listen
to you and not just read the bullshit and the
clickbait and listen to you talk, they see. A
very accomplished woman who's done amazing things
in the world of athletics, who is confronted
by this very unique challenge, and you're uniquely
qualified to handle it. And so I think that's
what they're going to get out of this. I hope
so. Because, again, that's really all this is.
I just wanted to swim. I just wanted to compete
fairly. And then, boom, that was impacted. And
here we are. Just trying to make a difference
when and where we can. That's certainly what
I hope people see me as. You're right. Getting
past the headlines. Anti -trans swimmer slams
Leah Thomas. It's all that reductionist view
of a human being. They just try to paint you
in the worst possible light. The bigotry and
the transphobia. Stop using those words and just
talk about the reality of the facts of what we're
talking about here. And you realize you don't
have an argument. Your argument is based on nonsense.
Exactly. That's what every parent needs to wake
up and recognize. That's what every person hearing
this. is that every person that works in the
schools needs to recognize you're talking nonsense
and you're likely encouraging people who are
mentally ill and maybe narcissists to dominate
women's sports. Mostly narcissists. A lot of
them. A ton of them. More than one. More than
one. A ton of them. And they're encouraging this
and they're making this person go from being
a mediocre male swimmer to being a fucking hero.
Exactly. And that's nonsense. And if we want
to embrace nonsense, that's the road to demise.
Because nonsense does not stop there. If we can
get away with that nonsense, it's going to go
further and further and further. Bring on the
next thing. Bring on the next thing. Minor attracted
persons. And it sounds nuts. If you had told
me this a long time ago, I'd have said, dude,
don't bring that up. That sounds insane. No one's
really going to accept that. But when you see
people openly on film who are this lady from
Kentucky, this Democrat representative or senator
or whatever she is in Kentucky, who was mentioning
in in their state, in their state legislature,
said something to the effect of, look, you know,
these minor attracted. There's a lot of benefit
to having child sex dolls because it can help
decrease their appeal and desires for actually,
you know, pursuing young children. So there was
a bill introduced that would do just that. And
I see this and I'm like, this lady is evil. There's
really no other word for it. She's evil. And
then the next day she comes out after it got
national attention of. what she had said and
what she was advocating for is helping. I wouldn't
even say it's helping curb these sexual predators'
desires. It's feeding into it, honestly. Right,
because if you've had that desire but never did
it, and then you get a robot doll that's a little
boy, that's the sickest thing I've ever heard.
But she came out the next day and said, you know,
I just feel like we should have room as adults
for open discussions. There is no open discussion
for pedophiles. There is no open discussions.
I guess unless it's electric chair or life in
prison, maybe we can have that discussion. But
other than that, there is no discussion for pedophiles
in this country, in this world. I wonder if that
woman has children. Probably. That's scary. Isn't
it? That's scary. And it's and again, it's just
this cult thinking. And I don't know how it got
into the education system. And I don't know how
it got into these people's mouths where they
got so confident in saying it that they could
say it in front of cameras. Well, it's because
they're teaching it. Even if you look at something
like Scholastic, right, like they put on these
big book fairs and different things like obviously
we've seen the books that they're bringing in
to to school. I mean, to grades as young as kindergarten.
is crazy, which is why it's important to find
alternatives. Like there's an alternative for
everything, whether it's skincare. OK, don't
use Dove. We just saw their Super Bowl commercial,
which was it was so funny. It was the protagonist
was a young girl swimmer in a locker room. And
the punchline of the whole commercial was about
keeping girls in girl sports. So I see this watching
the Super Bowl and I'm like, oh, my gosh, this
is like the first. big organization who is like
standing with women and like defending women's
sports and saying no men in women's sports. I'm
like, this is great. So I go to their like social
media profiles because I'm like really trying
to look into this and see if anyone else caught
on to this or if it was just me and I was being
hypervigilant. They were hiding all the replies
that had mentioned keeping men out of women's
sports. So I was like, oh my gosh, what virtue
signaling. Fools, really. So instead of using
Dove, use something like Mimi Skincare. They
were hiding the replies. So they made that ad,
and they made that ad presumably for pro women
in women's sports, right? Yeah, but their hook
to it was speaking to the mental health of female
athletes. But I saw it and was like, oh, the
best way to keep girls... Yeah, but Dove has
outwardly expressed the last Olympics in 2020
when Laurel Hubbard, or 2016, Laurel Hubbard,
a man, powerlifter from New Zealand, they were
like, we love you, Laurel Hubbard. Here's our
products. Be an ambassador, whatever. So they
really don't. They do, but the best way to keep
girls in girls' sports is to keep boys and men
out of girls' sports. So don't use Dove. Use
something like Nimi skincare. Or don't wear...
Don't shop at Target. Use something like Yakima
apparel or Unitas or Scholastic back to Scholastic.
Right. Don't use Scholastic. Don't buy your books
from Scholastic. Use something like Brave Books,
which is a phenomenal group, an organization
that produced these like pro -God, pro -country,
pro -America, pro -family, wholesome books that
aren't political. They're not partisan. But again,
virtuous. And I think what kids need to read.
So I think there's alternatives for everything.
And I think that's how we make a difference ultimately,
because like we've said, this movement really
is driven by dollar signs and by money. And so
while of course not everyone can give financially,
what everyone can do is stop giving your money
to organizations and companies that hate you.
Well, I think people woke up to that with Bud
Light. Definitely. That's a real factor. And
it works. It worked. And then they also woke
up to it with Google after Google's AI. Their
stock crashed hard. People are like, what the
fuck are you doing? Because it was so nutty.
Like, how could anybody invest in this? Like,
let's get out of this now. And what did they
lose? How much did Google lose from that? Something
like $9 billion. Crazy. And that's, you got lucky
there. Yeah. No one should trust you ever again.
No. If I was thinking about using a Google phone,
I see that, I'm like, what? Fuck out of here.
What you've done is most importantly, you become
like a logical face of all this and a reasonable
face of all this and a person who can handle
it. And you're really good at like confronting
people that oppose it. And it's an interesting
thing to watch you navigate it, but you're doing
it really well. Well, it's worth it. It's worth
it and it's necessary. So bring it on. Bring
it on. Bring on the men in dresses. I'm ready
for them. There's a lot of things that scare
me, but a man in a dress will never be one of
them. Okay. Well, listen, Riley, I really enjoyed
talking to you. I appreciate what you're doing.
And, again, your courage. I know you don't like
to think about it that way, but it is courageous.
And it's important. And it's important for people
to see the real you. Well, thank you. And I hope
we did that. Definitely. I've got a book. that
has uh just dropped it is being released in may
um but believe it or not of course this is this
is the short to kind of i guess the how and the
why right like the how i got here the why i got
here uh it's called swimming against the current
uh fighting for common sense in a world that's
lost its mind i also have a podcast of my own
with outkick called gains for girls um which
has been super fun to be on the other side of
things But really, I couldn't appreciate you
more giving the opportunity on a very large scale
and really important for me to like it's not
just preaching to the choir. A lot of the rooms
I find myself in, it's talking to people who
agree with me, which is great. Like, but that's
not who we need to reach. That's not who we need
to persuade, because, again, they already agree.
So I could not be more grateful for the opportunity
to reach some people who aren't. Fox News watchers.
Pretty incredible. So very grateful. My pleasure.
Thank you very much. Yes, thank you. Bye, everybody.