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Welcome to this curated educational transcript of the Joe Rogan Experience. In this session, we provide a deep-dive examination of the critical perspectives and historical dialogues presented in Episode #2418. Our mission is to offer a high-fidelity, searchable research resource for students of cultural history, emerging technology, and global discourse. This transcript has been specifically optimized for academic reference, linguistic study, and archival preservation regarding Evolutionary Psychology, Modern Social Dynamics, and Cognitive Performance Protocols. Joe Rogan Podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan

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Experience. Train by day. Joe Rogan Podcast by

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night. All day. What am I doing? I feel a bit

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less shit about myself. Just stave off death.

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Well, doesn't it do something for your mind?

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Of course. Doesn't it help you? Yeah, of course

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it does. But when you compare it with life and

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death, there's a little bit of a difference.

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Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, there's definitely

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a difference, but just for mental health, that's

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the main reason to do it for me. It's mental

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health. It's such a difference between not doing

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it and doing it. I'm like two different, totally

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different people. You got notes on that thing

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or something? Always. You got to get one of these

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babies, little kickstand jammies. Those are the

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shit. Oh, sexy. Look at that. It's flat. Sexy,

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sexy. Yeah. All right. All right. It encourages

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you to waste your time watching YouTube videos.

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Yeah, without having to hold it. Because it props

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up, yeah. Beautiful. You feel like a fool sitting

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there staring at your camera, holding it in your

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hand. I always said, like, if there was a drug

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that made people stare at their hand for six

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hours a day, everybody would be like, oh, my

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God. This is really a problem in this country.

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People are just staring at their hands. Well,

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we looked at that last time that we were on.

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We had the photo of that guy, that artist that

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had taken images of people looking at their phones.

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Yes, with no phone in there. And then removed

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the phones. It's such a crazy thing we're doing.

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And now, of course, there's AR glasses that are

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eventually going to put whatever TikTok feed

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in like one eye where you're watching someone

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in the other eye. Have you ever tried those?

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I've messed around with them a little bit. Zuck

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was here, and he let me try the new ones that

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haven't been released yet. They were really interesting.

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And you move a cursor around with your eyeballs,

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and you can do things with your fingers. You

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can pinch and spread things and stuff with your

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fingers and play games with your fingers. It's

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not quite as responsive as you'd like it to be,

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but it's very beta. Fuck. It's pretty cool. It

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is pretty cool. But also we're losing humanity.

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We're going to be taken in. We're going to incorporate

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with the machine. Yeah, well, I don't know. I

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think a lot of people feel like that would be

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a better version of the life that they have,

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and that's the saddest thing, that people of

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older generations look at young guys and girls

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and how much time they spend online. And they

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think, this is ridiculous. Why are they caring

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so much about what is occurring on the internet?

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But they don't realize people spend more time

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on screens than they do asleep. So the digital

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world is the real world for these people. Like

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the digital world is more real than the real

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world is. Ooh, I didn't think of it that way.

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There are a lot of people that do spend more

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time on screens than they do asleep. That's really

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common. Balance that out. I'd like to spend half

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as much time on my phone as I do asleep. Well,

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that would be a good way to enforce it, right?

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You log how much sleep time you've had. Yeah,

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so I'm going to start sleeping 12 hours a day.

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So I can spend six hours wasting. It's quite

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a resource if you think about it. lack of an

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appreciation of your resource. Because the resource

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of your time and your attention, it's very valuable.

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And you can convert it into all sorts of amazing

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skills and information and knowledge and change

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your whole life. Or you can just stare at stupid

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shit all day long. It's so compelling though,

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dude. It's been designed by the most profitable

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companies on the planet with the smartest behavioral

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scientists in history. It's an unfair fight.

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It really is an unfair fight, and that's why...

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Eh. Sort of. You could not do it, though. Oh,

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you need to lean in, but it's like, there is

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way more willpower you need to use in order to

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be able to not than, like, just whatever the

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course of natural human history is or natural

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human behavior. Yeah. Like, it's so easy to...

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Or, alternatively, you could dye the Venice River

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green. That's what happens when you don't have

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enough phone battery. I sent that to Chris today.

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Greta Thunberg, she dyed the Venice canals green

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to protest what a lack of action and climate

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change. Yeah, a call to pull back carbon fuel

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in Europe. And they didn't just do it in Venice.

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They did it in 10 cities around Italy. But Venice

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has obviously got this gorgeous waterway. It's

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an entire city built on water. Bro. Yeah, that's

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hard to see how ugly it is. Jamie, I could send

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you a video of it because I sent Chris a video.

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It's, you know, it's just like, how much attention

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do you need, lady? Okay, stop. Sky News Australia

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refers to her as a Swedish doom goblin. Sky News

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is the one that's weirdly pro -Republican American

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politics. Super right wing. It's like, who's

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funding that? There's no way that there's that

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much of an appetite in Australia for American

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politics. So that's what it looks like. That's

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disgusting. I was there this summer. It's fucking

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beautiful. Venice is so gorgeous and so ancient

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and so interesting. And to have this self -important...

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pour a bunch of green dye into that water, you

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should go to jail for that. Like, you're ruining

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this experience for thousands and thousands of

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people, not just the ones who live in that amazing

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place, but the ones who get to visit. I mean,

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someone figured out a way to make a whole city...

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by shoving pylons into the ground, and they did

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it a long time ago. It's all wood. The whole

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city is stacked up on wood. They take these wood

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poles, they shove them into the ground. It's

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a specific type of wood that doesn't rot when

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it gets wet and waterlogged. It actually hardens.

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I forget what kind of wood it is. I watched this

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whole thing on it. I mean, it's very stable.

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I mean, sometimes they get some flooding. Like

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one time we were there and the lobby of this

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place was flooded. It does flood. But it's also

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so fucking beautiful. And the architecture is

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so amazing. It's such a gorgeous place. And it

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just relaxes you instantly when you're there.

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You're like, wow, I just want to have an espresso

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and eat some pasta and just chill out. I went

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last summer. It's one of the most beautiful places

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I've ever been. And this fucking dummy decides

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to just... Poor green dye. And how much green

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dye did you put in there? And what kind of an

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effect is that going to have on life? So they

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claimed that it was environmentally safe. Rah,

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rah. I don't know how environmentally safe anything

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of that green color can be. But, yeah, what was

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it? 48 -hour ban and $170 fine. That's it? Yeah.

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Yeah. Wow. You should go to jail for a night.

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I think about this a lot, man. In some ways,

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I understand why the rhetoric gets more and more

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inflammatory. So if you care about an issue,

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if you really, really think that this issue is

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important and people don't listen, you start

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to shout a bit louder. Right. And then you shout

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a bit louder and then you shout a bit louder.

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The British are coming. The British are coming.

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You know who first said that? Wasn't Paul Revere.

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Bonnie Blue. Who's that? She is the lady that

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slept with 1 ,057 men in a day. Oh, that poor

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lady. Yeah. So, people don't listen. Do you ever

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see Don't Look Up? That movie on Netflix? That's

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very funny, by the way. I missed that joke because

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I didn't know who that was. Jamie got it. Jamie

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got it from over there, even with a toothpick.

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I'm kind of proud that I can't recognize her

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name, though, honestly. I'll take that. It's

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probably a good sign. People don't listen. So,

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Don't Look Up. That film with Leonardo DiCaprio

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a couple of years ago. Do you remember? It was

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like an asteroid coming in. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's a funny movie, right? Half funny, but kind

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of it's supposed to be a comment on the impending

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doom of climate change and nobody's listening.

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Yeah, they're not correct. That's the problem.

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Who are those two gentlemen that we had in recently,

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Jamie? The guy from MIT and the other guy from,

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was he from Yale or Stanford? Where was he from?

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Anyway, these two. Brilliant scientists who have

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analyzed the data. And one of them was going

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over the actual understanding, the equations

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that you would need to understand in order to

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really be able to calculate what is having an

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effect on the climate and how many different

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factors there are. And all of them working synergistically

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in some weird, unexplainable way. And then the

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cold, hard reality of climate data over the past.

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X amount of millions of years where it's always

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done this glaciation and then the glaciers, they

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recede and then you get higher ocean levels.

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It's like constant. Every 12 ,500 plus years,

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it goes up and down and up and down and it never

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stays static ever. It's never static. And the

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real fear is not global warming. The real fear

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is global cooling. Why? Global cooling kills

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everything. And we got that close at one point

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in history to having such a low oxygen level

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on this planet and such a low carbon dioxide

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level because there was no plant food, right?

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That these fucking plants almost died. We almost

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lost all life on this planet. We've gone like

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a few degrees from that happening. Glaciers are

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fucking scary. Ice ages are scary. When it gets

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warm, you just move. And I know that sucks if

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you're living in a city of 20 million people,

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but it hasn't happened yet. And they've been

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talking about it forever. That fucking stupid

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movie, An Inconvenient Truth, was wrong about

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everything. He should have to give back every

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fucking penny he made from that movie. You were

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wrong about everything. You scared the shit out

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of everybody and you were 100 % wrong. One of

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the problems I think people have is if you really

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care about something and you're convinced, whether

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your conviction is incorrect or not, you're convinced

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by it. So what you do, you say a thing, people

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don't listen. Say it a bit louder, people still

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don't listen. Say it a bit louder again, people

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still aren't listening. And the problem is it's

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a misunderstanding about what... compels and

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convinces other humans. What we think is if people

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aren't listening, if I shout louder, they're

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going to pay attention. What we don't realize

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is that actually turns everybody off. Because

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if you just see someone throwing soup over a

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Van Gogh painting, turning the canals of Venice

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green, gluing themselves to the M25 in London

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and stopping people from being able to get to

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work, like it gets attention. But you're not

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looking for attention. You're looking for conviction.

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You're trying to compel people to believe the

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thing that you believe. And I think that it does

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the opposite. And I understand why it's so seductive,

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because you think making it's cool to your own

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side to do something flaming sword wielding truth

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teller. I'm going to charge through and look

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at how cool it is. But making somebody feel stupid

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or embarrassed or inconvenienced or upset is

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a really bad way to change minds. So I think.

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If people really care about changing minds, they

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need to realize and assuming that they think

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that they're correct, they need to realize that

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like intellectual chasm from where they are and

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where other people are. And you go, OK, I'm going

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to take you one step at a time. So even if you

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were to accept that the science and all of the

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stuff that the climate change people believe

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in is accurate, I still think that the strategies

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that they're using aren't going to be effective

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because I think it turns more people off. Right.

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And they're scolding. They're shrieking, scolding,

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and they're not the type of people that you want

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to talk to, so you avoid them. Looking down from

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on high. Yeah, it's my British heritage. It doesn't

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cause you to feel inclined to support them. The

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opposite. It causes you to want to burn tires.

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I want to buy spray paint. Fucking hairspray,

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just blow it by my car. Have you heard of the

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Cassandra complex? Do you know what this is?

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No. Fucking brilliant, dude. So in ancient Greek

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mythology, Cassandra is given the gift of being

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able to see the future by Apollo, and then she

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rejects his advances, so he curses her, and he

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says that for the rest of time, you're still

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going to be able to see the future, but people

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aren't going to believe you. So she foresees

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the downfall of Troy. She warns everybody, people

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don't listen. Troy burns anyway, and it's basically

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being right but early so Rachel Carson she wrote

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that book Silent Spring 1962 it's about DDT environmental

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epidemics She gets mocked by scientists castigated

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by everybody, but her work led to the banning

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of DDT What year was this 1962 interesting? Ignis

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Sammelweis, like 1840s, he realizes that doctors

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are transmitting childbed fever from corpses

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to mothers because they're not washing their

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hands. So he begs his colleagues to start adopting

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hand washing and he gets mocked by academia.

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He dies in an asylum. He dies in an asylum. That's

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how badly he's treated. Germ theory of disease

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gets, a couple of decades later, gets proven.

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Edward Snowden, who you've spoken to, like some

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people saw him as a traitor. Some people saw

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him as a truth teller. But I think everybody

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had a bit of, really? Is that what's going on?

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A few years later, it turns out, yeah, the government

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is spying on you. Yeah, 100%. And this Cassandra

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complex. So if somebody ever says, I'm a Cassandra,

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I'm feeling like Cassandra today. I foresee this

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thing. You don't. You're not listening to me.

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It's a big deal. And the problem is the difference

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between somebody being a righteous Cassandra

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with the ability to see the future. And just

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being a crazy person who's being convinced by

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bad data or perverse incentives, it's very hard

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to work out which one you are. Perverse incentives

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is the real word because here's the thing, folks.

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We do have a horrible impact on the environment.

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It's factual. It's measurable. You can go see

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it. There's many third world countries that have

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rivers that are completely clogged. garbage and

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plastic that's real if you're not trying to stop

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that but you're railing about carbon well carbon

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is a weird thing because carbon is essential

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to plant life it's the there's more green on

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earth today than there was a hundred years ago

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And that's because of our carbon emissions. That

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is an inconvenient truth. All right, fuck Al

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Gore. That's an inconvenient truth. So carbon

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is a part of the—is it good that we're burning

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stuff and putting it in the atmosphere? No, I

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do not think it is. No, I'm not arguing that.

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I'm saying that our impact on the environment

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that is tangible and disgusting is pollution.

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That's the impact on the environment. And if

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you're really thinking about our carbon footprint

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and carbon taxes and carbon incentives— You got

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to follow the money. Like what is happening here?

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Well, there's a bunch of green initiatives and

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those green initiatives get funding and they

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get funding to the tune of billions and billions

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of dollars. And if you know anything about any

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sort of nonprofit, like someone just pulled up

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some, there's a nonprofit about animals and they

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just release what a fucking scam it is. There's

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so many of these nonprofits where the vast majority

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of the money is going to salaries. Like the most

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of the money is. going to salaries. And there's

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a tiny fraction of that money that gets allocated

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to whatever that cause is. Which is... why it

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justifies people who work for the organization

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to sustain the organization's existence because

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that's their interest. 100%. But there's no data.

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Here's the thing. All of their predictions, all

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of the climate change predictions are totally

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inaccurate, every single one by all the doomsayers.

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So you would think they would course correct.

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You would think they would say, okay, no one's

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arguing that. The particulates that get emitted

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into the atmosphere by coal plants are not terrible

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for everyone. No one's arguing that glyphosate

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is good for you. No one's arguing that the poisons

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we're putting in rivers and streams, no one's

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arguing that's good for you. The stuff that gets

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into groundwater, no one says that's good. That's

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our real problem. Our real problem is pollution.

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It's fucking terrible. There's a real problem

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with waste. There's a real problem with landfills.

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All that's real. This carbon thing is a weird

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one. It's a weird one to concentrate on solely

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because it seems to have an effect on the atmosphere.

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It has an effect on the temperature of Earth,

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but not what they're saying. Can you think of

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a perverse incentive other than people just want

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to keep their jobs? Is there something else?

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It's people keeping their jobs. It's righteousness.

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It's virtue signaling. And it's also the extraordinary

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amount of money that gets put into green initiatives.

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It also helps people campaign. When you're campaigning,

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if you say climate change is real, we will follow

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the science. Oh, thank God. You get my vote.

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That's what happens in these fucking dumb. asses

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just fall for it every time it's it's not that

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it's a real impending doom scenario that's not

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real it's not real it's not real But what is

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real is humans' impact on Earth. So you've got

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to figure out why is this one thing, why are

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they concentrating so much on carbon when it's

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not a measurable thing? It's not a thing where

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you're seeing this hugely detrimental effect

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by this one action that we have. Well, because

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someone's trying to make money. It's it. No one's

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doing it for your own good. There's not a fucking

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single person on Earth that's involved in any

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of these big causes that's really concerned about

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us. No, there are. all making money. Even if

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they're not making money other than their salary.

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If your salary is a million dollars a year to

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run a charity, maybe that charity is fucking

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would be in order to get somebody of the standard

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that you need to run this charity. at the level

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that it needs to be run at, you need to give

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a competitive salary. What an amazing job they're

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doing where 95 % of the money goes to overhead.

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What an amazing job you've done in having zero

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progress. Please show me your efficiency plans,

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the blueprint. Zero progress in any of your air

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quotes science that you're pointing to that's

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showing these prediction models. All their prediction

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models are wrong. And they always quote things

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that are wrong, like storms are stronger, they're

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more common. No, you're just looking at a strong

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storm. If you look overall, there's always been

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strong storms. They're totally unpredictable.

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Have you had Alex Epstein on? Do you know him?

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No, I don't know him. Have we had him on? Moral

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case for fossil fuels. Oh, okay. Interesting

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dude. He has, like, one of the most interesting

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stats that I learned from him was climate -related

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deaths have decreased by 98 % over the last century.

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Yeah. So one of the things that people don't

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consider when they look at the cost of energy

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and energy production is that you need to be

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able to protect. More people are killed from

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heat than are killed from cold. And you need

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to protect from heat by using energy. And if

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you're going to produce cheap energy, some byproducts

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are going to be spat out into the atmosphere.

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But the impact of the creation of the energy

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is way... more effective at increasing human

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longevity than the side effect of the energy

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being made. Does that make sense? Totally rational.

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Yeah. It seems like that would make sense. I've

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had Richard Betts, director of the IPCC Intergovernmental

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Panel on Climate Change on the show, Hannah Ritchie

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from Our World in Data. Like I've really tried

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to get a good balance on all of this stuff. But

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Alex's position in that area, which is it's a

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very luxury belief to hold to talk about how

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green we must be in the West. when you have access

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to unlimited energy. I think a billion people

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worldwide don't have access to reliable electricity.

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Like half a billion people are still using wood

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and dung in order to be able to produce their

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electricity. That was the data that he showed

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me the last time we spoke. That means that if

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you've got a baby that's on a ventilator, a newborn

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baby that needs to be put on, that baby dies.

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That baby dies because that particular country

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does not have access to clean. to cheap and reliable

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energy. Cleanness does not matter for these people.

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Yeah, I've heard that argument that the best

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result worldwide would be to increase the power

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supply to all these third world countries. And

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then you would have this ability to start manufacturing,

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doing a bunch of different things that we associate

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with the negative aspects of the West. You know,

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the negative aspects of the West that cause pollution,

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that cause all these different things. The problem

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is electricity is a real bastard to try and move.

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I think the entire grid has got eight minutes

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of battery backup. Ten minutes of battery backup.

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It's so little and it's so cumbersome and you

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lose it as you transport it further. Dude, I

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get it. I really believe that existential risks,

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climate change included, are things that humans

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should pay attention to. But if you were to rank,

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Toby Ord wrote this great book called The Precipice

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and he is from the Future of Humanity Institute

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at Oxford. He wrote... the best researchers in

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the world. He got them to rank what are the most

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dangerous existential risks to humans. And it's

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a one in 10 ,000 chance over the next century

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coming from climate change. It's one in six.

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from AI, or one in 10 from AI, one in 10 from

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engineered pandemics, like one in 30 from natural

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pandemics. There's so many other huge issues

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that are really pressing. I'm not saying that

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climate change isn't a priority. I'm saying that

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if you were to rank the priorities, it actually

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starts to move pretty far down. And when you

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think, if people are worried about the future

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of the world, they have a worried about the future

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of the world budget to spend. Almost all of that

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is going on climate change. Jamie, can you try

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and get up? It's a chart by Toby Ord. It's just

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called, if you search like the precipice chart,

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Toby Ord can bring it up. And you just think,

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how much attention is being paid to all of these

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other things? How much attention is being paid?

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A nuclear war, I guess, gets a little bit of

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attention, but slightly less so now. But natural

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pandemics, engineered pandemics, AGI, these are

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big deals. Worry that a lot of attention has

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been focused onto one actually relatively inconsequential,

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at least in the immediate term. No. Go back.

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Do a Google search for me. Top left. Yep. That's

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it. So nuclear war, one in 1 ,000. Climate change,

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one in 1 ,000. Other environmental damage, one

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in 1 ,000. Engineered pandemics, one in 30. Unaligned

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artificial intelligence, one in 10. The total

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risk is one in six, but climate change is one

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in a thousand over the next hundred years. A

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stellar explosion, there you go. One in, what's

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that, a billion? That's what we need. I don't

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like that one. That one scares the shit out of

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me. I remember a documentary I watched back in

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the day that was about hypernovas, and when they

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first started measuring these gamma bursts in

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space, they thought that maybe alien races were

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at war with each other. Because there's this

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enormous burst of energy and they realize it's

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stars going hypernova. And how many of them do

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it all over the universe? Because the universe

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is so big. And there's just a single beam of

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like a death ray that gets sent out across the

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universe. Just unimaginable power. And it happens

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all the time. It's happening all the time in

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the sky. And if it happens anywhere near you,

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it just takes out the whole solar system, takes

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out everything. If it happens in neighboring

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solar systems, it takes us out, takes out everything.

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Yeah, you're fucked. Wow. If that's not a justification

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for just living your life and getting the fuck

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on with it and not coloring the Venice Canal

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green. I don't know what it is. Well, it's the

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thing that gets you attention, unfortunately.

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That's really what all this is about. Send her

00:26:04.420 --> 00:26:07.079
back to Israel. They'll give her attention. They

00:26:07.079 --> 00:26:11.440
gave her some great attention. I'm kind of obsessed

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with this idea of toxic compassion, which I think

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is what you're talking about. So the prioritization

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of short -term emotional comfort over everything

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else. I remember Elon was talking. A couple of

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years ago, someone had accused him of contributing

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to climate change, so on and so forth. And he

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says, I think I've done more to reduce climate

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change than any other human on the planet. That

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if you look at the EV revolution being started

00:26:38.990 --> 00:26:40.730
by Tesla, plus everything else from a technology

00:26:40.730 --> 00:26:42.829
perspective that we're doing, I think that there's

00:26:42.829 --> 00:26:45.509
an argument to be made that I've had a more positive

00:26:45.509 --> 00:26:48.970
impact on the future of the climate than any

00:26:48.970 --> 00:26:51.009
other human. He said, what I'm interested in

00:26:51.009 --> 00:26:54.710
is the reality of doing good, not appearing good.

00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:57.500
and not appearing to do good while doing bad.

00:26:58.140 --> 00:27:02.900
And this, the opportunity people have to be able

00:27:02.900 --> 00:27:05.940
to look like they're doing good while not doing

00:27:05.940 --> 00:27:08.559
it is exactly where this toxic compassion thing

00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:11.720
leaks in. So for instance, people will proclaim

00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:15.690
that body weight has no impact on health. over

00:27:15.690 --> 00:27:18.490
a long duration, even if this causes overweight

00:27:18.490 --> 00:27:20.809
individuals to not take their health as seriously

00:27:20.809 --> 00:27:24.029
and literally die sooner. But we're here. Joe,

00:27:24.130 --> 00:27:26.150
you don't understand. We're trying to be inclusive

00:27:26.150 --> 00:27:28.210
here. We're trying to be understanding of what's

00:27:28.210 --> 00:27:31.210
going on with these people. If someone was to

00:27:31.210 --> 00:27:36.509
say that a male athlete has no advantage in a

00:27:36.509 --> 00:27:39.210
sporting competition, because, Joe, we're trying

00:27:39.210 --> 00:27:40.690
to be inclusive. We're trying to be empathetic.

00:27:40.730 --> 00:27:43.410
We care about these people. Well, even if that's

00:27:43.410 --> 00:27:46.589
done at the exclusion. female athletes right

00:27:46.589 --> 00:27:51.690
people are prepared to show they're prepared

00:27:51.690 --> 00:27:55.470
to do whatever is needed to appear good yes and

00:27:55.470 --> 00:27:57.930
the alternative which it makes complete sense

00:27:57.930 --> 00:28:00.890
who wants to do good while looking bad right

00:28:00.890 --> 00:28:03.829
that's the thing you're saying is so important

00:28:03.829 --> 00:28:06.549
they they will sacrifice everything to appear

00:28:06.549 --> 00:28:09.750
that they're doing good that's because that's

00:28:09.750 --> 00:28:11.390
really what they're worried about and that that

00:28:11.390 --> 00:28:14.750
is all stemming at least in part, I should say

00:28:14.750 --> 00:28:18.230
not stemming, but certainly accentuated by the

00:28:18.230 --> 00:28:19.829
social media world that we're living in now.

00:28:19.910 --> 00:28:22.650
Because everyone has this opportunity to appear

00:28:22.650 --> 00:28:25.509
like they're something other than they are. They're

00:28:25.509 --> 00:28:27.650
using filters. They're standing in front of a

00:28:27.650 --> 00:28:30.609
leased car. There's all the above. They're doing

00:28:30.609 --> 00:28:32.849
things. They're wearing cheap, cheap fake jewelry.

00:28:33.089 --> 00:28:35.069
They're trying to look like something they're

00:28:35.069 --> 00:28:37.549
not. And there's a culture of that. And there's

00:28:37.549 --> 00:28:39.809
also a culture that that gets. Well, I'm not

00:28:39.809 --> 00:28:41.609
one of those because I don't care about material

00:28:41.609 --> 00:28:44.069
goods, but I'm really interested in climate change.

00:28:44.210 --> 00:28:46.930
And so then, you know, you join up with whatever

00:28:46.930 --> 00:28:49.009
fucking climate change group that's yelling and

00:28:49.009 --> 00:28:51.069
shouting and you carry a sign and you do all

00:28:51.069 --> 00:28:53.029
these things you're supposed to do and you get

00:28:53.029 --> 00:28:56.450
free water. The whole thing is just it's it's

00:28:56.450 --> 00:28:58.440
a psychological game that people. are playing

00:28:58.440 --> 00:29:01.680
with themselves. They try to appear that they're

00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:04.819
special and to be in competition or in battle

00:29:04.819 --> 00:29:08.220
with the other side. But if you're in battle

00:29:08.220 --> 00:29:12.380
with people that are saying, hey, none of these

00:29:12.380 --> 00:29:15.380
models are correct. Hey, none of these predictions

00:29:15.380 --> 00:29:19.400
have come to bear. Zero. Not a single one where

00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:21.579
they say, the sea level's going to rise. There's

00:29:21.579 --> 00:29:24.259
going to be no more Miami. Nothing. Not a fucking

00:29:24.259 --> 00:29:27.569
thing has happened. Like, you're wrong. OK, so

00:29:27.569 --> 00:29:29.289
we need to figure out what's right. If we can

00:29:29.289 --> 00:29:31.849
all agree that if we're doing something bad to

00:29:31.849 --> 00:29:34.529
the planet and it's somehow or another avoidable,

00:29:34.609 --> 00:29:37.109
let's work towards that. But if you're telling

00:29:37.109 --> 00:29:39.109
me we're doing something bad to the planet and

00:29:39.109 --> 00:29:41.529
then when I say, well, show me and you can't.

00:29:41.549 --> 00:29:43.250
Well, what about all these predictions? Well,

00:29:43.309 --> 00:29:46.009
they're wrong. Well, what about that movie that

00:29:46.009 --> 00:29:47.710
ever got everybody? Well, it was totally inaccurate.

00:29:48.289 --> 00:29:52.319
OK, well. you can't use that on your side anymore.

00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:55.500
I never saw that movie. Ah, so bad. What were

00:29:55.500 --> 00:29:57.019
the claims? An inconvenient truth. Let's find

00:29:57.019 --> 00:30:01.099
out. Put it into perplexity what the incorrect...

00:30:01.099 --> 00:30:03.720
I was already asking, what did it get right and

00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:05.599
what did it get wrong? Yeah, what did it say?

00:30:06.019 --> 00:30:09.319
That's typing it up right now. I guarantee you

00:30:09.319 --> 00:30:11.619
they didn't get nothing wrong or they didn't

00:30:11.619 --> 00:30:13.519
get nothing right. Which one do you want to start

00:30:13.519 --> 00:30:17.619
with, right or wrong? The predictions for catastrophic

00:30:17.619 --> 00:30:19.880
events. What did he get wrong about the predictions

00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:23.319
for catastrophic events? Predictions that were

00:30:23.319 --> 00:30:26.140
incorrect. Rapid sea level rise, 20 feet. The

00:30:26.140 --> 00:30:29.359
film depicted a potential sea level rise of up

00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:32.519
to 20 feet, 6 meters, in the near future from

00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:34.819
the collapse of Greenland or West Antarctic ice

00:30:34.819 --> 00:30:36.940
sheets. While this extreme scenario is considered

00:30:36.940 --> 00:30:39.759
possible over centuries or millennia, scientific

00:30:39.759 --> 00:30:42.259
consensus does not support this happening. Eminently,

00:30:42.259 --> 00:30:45.140
current rates are much slower, even with acceleration.

00:30:46.599 --> 00:30:49.940
Reaching 20 feet would take many centuries. Another

00:30:49.940 --> 00:30:52.339
one, Mount Kilimanjaro glacier melt caused by

00:30:52.339 --> 00:30:54.680
global warming. Goal attributed the shrinking

00:30:54.680 --> 00:30:57.319
of Kilimanjaro's glaciers mainly to global warming,

00:30:57.380 --> 00:30:59.880
but later research points to other major causes

00:30:59.880 --> 00:31:04.259
like sublimation and reduced snowfall. Unrelated.

00:31:04.809 --> 00:31:08.009
primarily to temperature. Impression of imminent

00:31:08.009 --> 00:31:10.730
chaos. The film often implies that catastrophic

00:31:10.730 --> 00:31:14.150
outcomes like rapid ice sheet collapse and dramatic

00:31:14.150 --> 00:31:16.869
sea level rise might occur within decades when

00:31:16.869 --> 00:31:20.089
in reality, such processes are expected to take

00:31:20.089 --> 00:31:23.900
much longer, often centuries or more. And then

00:31:23.900 --> 00:31:27.440
legal findings. A UK court found nine errors

00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:30.779
of exaggerations in the film, mostly involving

00:31:30.779 --> 00:31:34.180
a lack of clarity on time scales or oversimplified

00:31:34.180 --> 00:31:38.200
attributions like Kilimanjaro. Overall, climate

00:31:38.200 --> 00:31:40.339
scientists judged an inconvenient truth as mostly

00:31:40.339 --> 00:31:42.099
accurate with its projections, particularly in

00:31:42.099 --> 00:31:43.900
broad trends, but criticized its presentation

00:31:43.900 --> 00:31:46.180
for occasionally exaggerating the speed and certainty

00:31:46.180 --> 00:31:48.920
of some changes. Well, I think this is... Yeah,

00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:51.960
but this is the thing. It's climate scientists

00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:54.619
judged it. I'd like to keep this climate hustle

00:31:54.619 --> 00:31:57.799
going on. Well, they were mostly accurate. We

00:31:57.799 --> 00:31:59.599
do have a sincere problem. Stop putting a British

00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:02.460
accent on when you do that. That's not even British.

00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:04.099
That's like a fake British guy. That's like a

00:32:04.099 --> 00:32:06.980
posh shithead from Connecticut. Okay, okay, okay.

00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:10.779
But you're right. The lack of scrutiny that people

00:32:10.779 --> 00:32:13.099
have of their behavior, the distance between

00:32:13.099 --> 00:32:15.420
our opinions and our deeds, never been greater.

00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:17.500
That's the internet. And what it means is you're

00:32:17.500 --> 00:32:21.359
allowed to do good. while appearing bad and do

00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:23.640
bad while appearing good. And it's way easier

00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:27.400
to do bad or to just not research. And it's significantly

00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:30.779
harder if you're like, I'm going to go out, try

00:32:30.779 --> 00:32:32.880
and invent something, try and push against an

00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:38.019
idea or an ideology or a campaign for a movement

00:32:38.019 --> 00:32:40.059
that I think is really, really important. And

00:32:40.059 --> 00:32:41.319
people are going to say that I'm doing something

00:32:41.319 --> 00:32:43.039
mean or people are going to call me names for

00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:45.460
doing it. There's no incentive to do it. Why

00:32:45.460 --> 00:32:47.319
would somebody do that? And I think that's what

00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:49.519
Elon's point is, right? What I'm interested in

00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:52.339
is doing good, not the appearance of it. And

00:32:52.339 --> 00:32:53.940
I see a lot of people who are doing bad while

00:32:53.940 --> 00:32:57.619
appearing good. Well, I think through no fault

00:32:57.619 --> 00:33:00.680
of their own, young people are indoctrinated

00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:03.000
into this world when they start going to college

00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:05.200
that you have to be active. And to be an activist

00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:08.079
is to be a good person. To be involved in these

00:33:08.079 --> 00:33:10.400
campus activities is a good thing. And there's

00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:13.480
also a tribal aspect to it. You're on a tribe

00:33:13.480 --> 00:33:15.589
of people that are... the people that are on

00:33:15.589 --> 00:33:17.650
the right side of history. These are the people

00:33:17.650 --> 00:33:20.410
that are kind and compassionate, unless you disagree

00:33:20.410 --> 00:33:22.930
with them. And these are the people that are,

00:33:23.029 --> 00:33:25.450
they trust the science, unless it's inconvenient.

00:33:25.950 --> 00:33:27.910
And these are the people that, you know, you

00:33:27.910 --> 00:33:31.289
want to be in the educated minority. You want

00:33:31.289 --> 00:33:33.549
to be the people that get it. And you want to,

00:33:33.569 --> 00:33:37.069
it's very important that you use your voice.

00:33:37.549 --> 00:33:39.890
You know, and so they think they're being good

00:33:39.890 --> 00:33:42.210
people. And I get that. And I understand that.

00:33:42.269 --> 00:33:45.250
But it's being weaponized against you. And it's

00:33:45.250 --> 00:33:48.950
probably not even funded by legitimate people.

00:33:49.109 --> 00:33:51.549
It's most likely there's at least some funding

00:33:51.549 --> 00:33:54.470
by some foreign entities that are just trying

00:33:54.470 --> 00:33:57.289
to sow discord and make sure that everybody hates

00:33:57.289 --> 00:34:00.089
everybody. That'd be a wonderful way to take

00:34:00.089 --> 00:34:02.329
down any country, right? To make it feel as if

00:34:02.329 --> 00:34:04.650
it was coming from inside. Yeah, sure. There's

00:34:04.650 --> 00:34:08.019
a lot of that going on. Absolutely proven. There

00:34:08.019 --> 00:34:10.300
was a thing recently with ChatGPT where they

00:34:10.300 --> 00:34:14.139
found out that these entities in China were using

00:34:14.139 --> 00:34:20.980
ChatGPT to argue about USAID shutdown. Did you

00:34:20.980 --> 00:34:24.219
see the Twitter account thing where you can see

00:34:24.219 --> 00:34:27.489
where the accounts are based? Yes. I know. Bro.

00:34:28.389 --> 00:34:32.389
One of the ones that is like a fan account of

00:34:32.389 --> 00:34:35.789
the JRE. People thought it was me forever, and

00:34:35.789 --> 00:34:38.389
I was like, I didn't correct it. It made it say

00:34:38.389 --> 00:34:41.429
parody accounts. It says either commentary account

00:34:41.429 --> 00:34:44.110
or parody account or whatever. Fan run account.

00:34:44.369 --> 00:34:46.010
Just so you don't think it's me because people

00:34:46.010 --> 00:34:49.110
do think it's me. It's in Asia. Someone in Asia

00:34:49.110 --> 00:34:51.820
is doing that. Allegedly, unless he's got a VPN.

00:34:52.420 --> 00:34:54.619
Who are you, hardworking Asian supporting the

00:34:54.619 --> 00:34:56.719
Joe Rogan podcast? Well, you could, right? That's

00:34:56.719 --> 00:34:58.920
the question. How do they know where you're from

00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:02.679
if you sign up with a VPN and you say, I'm in

00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:05.340
the South Pacific? How do they know? I don't

00:35:05.340 --> 00:35:08.760
know. I don't know. I certainly know that assuming

00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:12.579
that you're on the right side of history, especially

00:35:12.579 --> 00:35:16.679
if you're in a big group, is often a bit... a

00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:19.000
dangerous position to be in. So that Cassandra

00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:20.440
complex thing that I was talking about before,

00:35:20.659 --> 00:35:25.039
sometimes people might say, it's your duty, if

00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:28.179
you believe in a thing, to stand firm, right?

00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:30.579
You should make your case known. You know, you're

00:35:30.579 --> 00:35:32.380
Ignaz Samuel Wise. You know about the germ theory

00:35:32.380 --> 00:35:34.980
of disease. You're Rachel Carson. You know about

00:35:34.980 --> 00:35:36.760
the impact of DDT. You're Edward Snowden. You

00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:38.539
know about the surveillance that's going on.

00:35:38.699 --> 00:35:41.099
There's a really wonderful example, the comparison

00:35:41.099 --> 00:35:44.429
between Copernicus and Galileo. So Copernicus

00:35:44.429 --> 00:35:49.289
in the 1500s, he begins to realize that the Earth

00:35:49.289 --> 00:35:51.449
might not be the center of the solar system,

00:35:51.489 --> 00:35:56.230
let alone the universe. And he has enough evidence

00:35:56.230 --> 00:35:58.769
to justify it, but he waits until his deathbed

00:35:58.769 --> 00:36:02.079
to actually sort of... whisper out his great

00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:04.940
work, which is De Revolutionibus, this work that

00:36:04.940 --> 00:36:07.079
he made, and he does it on his deathbed, presumably

00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:10.260
to avoid the wrath of the church. Now, some sort

00:36:10.260 --> 00:36:13.099
of hardline freedom fighting, you should do it,

00:36:13.099 --> 00:36:15.099
don't listen to the man, don't back down, just

00:36:15.099 --> 00:36:17.300
stand on your principles, people would say, well,

00:36:17.300 --> 00:36:18.780
that's a cowardly thing to do. You knew what

00:36:18.780 --> 00:36:21.440
the truth was and you didn't stand by it. A hundred

00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:25.179
years later, Galileo comes along. He sees the

00:36:25.179 --> 00:36:27.500
moons of Jupiter, sees the phases of Venus, sees

00:36:27.500 --> 00:36:30.619
the pockmarks on the surface of the moon. And

00:36:30.619 --> 00:36:32.480
he realizes that the heliocentric model, this

00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:36.360
like Copernican revolution is true, proclaims

00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:38.860
it from the rooftops. What happens to him? House

00:36:38.860 --> 00:36:41.780
arrest. He gets put under house arrest. He gets

00:36:41.780 --> 00:36:44.340
forced to recant under the threat of torture

00:36:44.340 --> 00:36:46.440
and spends the rest of his life under house arrest.

00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:48.880
So what you have here, and I fucking love this

00:36:48.880 --> 00:36:51.079
example so much. I think it's so cool. It's two

00:36:51.079 --> 00:36:54.510
guys. 100 years apart with the same realization.

00:36:54.889 --> 00:36:57.989
And the justification for the first one not saying

00:36:57.989 --> 00:37:01.190
what he didn't say loudly is the treatment of

00:37:01.190 --> 00:37:03.349
the second. I think it's like just this perfect

00:37:03.349 --> 00:37:05.389
explanation of irony. You know what I mean? Like

00:37:05.389 --> 00:37:09.269
it's so perfect. And you go, well, the main issue

00:37:09.269 --> 00:37:12.989
that I have with like, basically being right

00:37:12.989 --> 00:37:15.550
and early often feels a lot like being wrong.

00:37:15.869 --> 00:37:20.550
And if you make an example of somebody in that

00:37:20.550 --> 00:37:24.590
way, It is basically you saying, if you step

00:37:24.590 --> 00:37:27.210
out of line too far, this is what's going to

00:37:27.210 --> 00:37:30.150
happen to you. And it causes people who are trying

00:37:30.150 --> 00:37:32.590
to move conceptual inertia forward, we're trying

00:37:32.590 --> 00:37:34.530
to do research, I'm trying to assess whether

00:37:34.530 --> 00:37:35.909
or not this is actually the way that the world

00:37:35.909 --> 00:37:39.969
should be. It causes them to be more Copernicus,

00:37:40.030 --> 00:37:45.170
not more Galileo. And I think that's... That

00:37:45.170 --> 00:37:47.610
is not what you would want in a civilization

00:37:47.610 --> 00:37:50.050
that's trying to continue to make progress. You

00:37:50.050 --> 00:37:51.929
would want to be accepting of new ideas and you

00:37:51.929 --> 00:37:53.789
would want to encourage them as opposed to castigating

00:37:53.789 --> 00:37:57.489
people. Do you think that social media and the

00:37:57.489 --> 00:38:00.530
influence of other people's opinions, it makes

00:38:00.530 --> 00:38:06.019
someone more likely to... be able to think for

00:38:06.019 --> 00:38:09.300
themselves or less likely, like more likely to

00:38:09.300 --> 00:38:12.300
be able to examine preconceived notions, recognize

00:38:12.300 --> 00:38:14.679
like, oh my God, maybe I'm biased or maybe it's

00:38:14.679 --> 00:38:17.400
just like a group bias that I've accepted because

00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:22.440
of all the people around me. And I think this

00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:24.480
is wrong. And I think this is what I think is

00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:27.260
really going on. Or do you think it encourages

00:38:27.260 --> 00:38:31.260
that kind of thinking or discourages it? I think

00:38:31.260 --> 00:38:34.000
it certainly encourages groupthink, very much

00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:38.119
so. But both, right? It would open up the opportunity

00:38:38.119 --> 00:38:40.719
for some people with a very unique psychological

00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:43.420
profile to be able to step back against it. Black

00:38:43.420 --> 00:38:46.539
helicopters. Yeah, there's a few guys out there

00:38:46.539 --> 00:38:51.099
I can think of. But I think on average what you're

00:38:51.099 --> 00:38:53.760
seeing is basically this huge, big swath of people.

00:38:53.820 --> 00:38:57.300
For the first time ever, you're able to aggregate

00:38:57.300 --> 00:39:00.280
just how much support or criticism something

00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:03.059
has. Yeah. This is what like to dislike ratios

00:39:03.059 --> 00:39:05.199
are. This is what upvote to downvotes are on

00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:09.480
Reddit. And I think that that causes people...

00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:11.400
Most people don't want to have to do the thinking

00:39:11.400 --> 00:39:13.139
of coming up with an original opinion. I'm sure

00:39:13.139 --> 00:39:15.400
that most of mine aren't original. But given

00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:17.420
the fact that doing the original thinking is

00:39:17.420 --> 00:39:20.269
hard... Most of the culture war is actually two

00:39:20.269 --> 00:39:23.289
armies of puppets being ventriloquized by a handful

00:39:23.289 --> 00:39:25.769
of actual thinkers. Most people are just being

00:39:25.769 --> 00:39:28.369
brought along and pushed along by people who

00:39:28.369 --> 00:39:30.610
came up with an idea. And they're assuming, well,

00:39:30.710 --> 00:39:33.449
we know this for a fact. Well, it's interesting

00:39:33.449 --> 00:39:35.510
because both sides know for a fact the thing

00:39:35.510 --> 00:39:37.889
that the other side says is a lie. That can't

00:39:37.889 --> 00:39:41.610
be true. See, I get the sense that it causes

00:39:41.610 --> 00:39:46.659
people to adhere to the crowd more. more than

00:39:46.659 --> 00:39:48.480
they would have done previously. And you also

00:39:48.480 --> 00:39:50.019
have to think that if you're spending that much

00:39:50.019 --> 00:39:52.199
time on it, like six hours a day, it's one of

00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:55.059
the primary influences of your life, probably

00:39:55.059 --> 00:39:59.260
more so than any other media in the past, because

00:39:59.260 --> 00:40:02.059
it was very rare as a child that you would listen

00:40:02.059 --> 00:40:04.559
to six hours of the news. You wouldn't really

00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:07.199
be indoctrinated into six hours of whatever the...

00:40:07.400 --> 00:40:10.199
latest cultural dilemma was or the latest social

00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:12.719
issue was, you wouldn't get that much of it.

00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:15.079
You'd get people talking about it like normal

00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:17.659
people do during the day, or maybe you'd be talking

00:40:17.659 --> 00:40:19.480
about a newspaper article you read, but you're

00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:21.980
not getting six hours of it all day long. But

00:40:21.980 --> 00:40:24.320
now we are, at least six hours. I mean, what

00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:26.699
is the, let's find that out. What's the average

00:40:26.699 --> 00:40:31.400
number of hours a 18 -year -old kid is on social

00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:33.199
media? I would guess it's at least, I would guess

00:40:33.199 --> 00:40:35.960
social media, maybe four. Let's just say their

00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:38.170
phone, screen time. Screen time, at least six,

00:40:38.309 --> 00:40:40.489
probably more. Yeah. At least six, probably more.

00:40:40.570 --> 00:40:44.170
And the mad thing to consider here is your parasocial

00:40:44.170 --> 00:40:47.050
relationships. Think about this. People will

00:40:47.050 --> 00:40:49.849
listen to your show and listen to my show more

00:40:49.849 --> 00:40:53.269
than they see their parents. Oh, yeah. By a huge

00:40:53.269 --> 00:40:55.550
margin. Huge margin. If you saw your parents

00:40:55.550 --> 00:40:58.869
that much, it'd be kind of creepy. The average

00:40:58.869 --> 00:41:01.590
screen time for 18 -year -olds, seven to eight

00:41:01.590 --> 00:41:04.110
hours. There you go. Of total screen time per

00:41:04.110 --> 00:41:07.309
day is common. Though it varies a lot by person

00:41:07.309 --> 00:41:09.909
and country. Okay, what country has the least

00:41:09.909 --> 00:41:12.849
amount of screen usage? Would you want to discount

00:41:12.849 --> 00:41:14.989
school time too? Because aren't you on screens

00:41:14.989 --> 00:41:18.909
technically in school? You're asking phone time,

00:41:18.989 --> 00:41:21.369
I guess, right? Yeah, I think it's personal phones

00:41:21.369 --> 00:41:23.710
they're talking about. Are they on screens? I've

00:41:23.710 --> 00:41:27.150
noticed it's counting my laptop open in my screen

00:41:27.150 --> 00:41:29.360
time because I'm connected to the same. like

00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:31.920
iOS system. So I'm getting like 18 hours a day,

00:41:31.980 --> 00:41:33.360
but I'm like, I'm not on my phone 18 hours a

00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:39.480
day. Uh, interesting. Um, so let's guess like

00:41:39.480 --> 00:41:41.739
what countries, well, you'd have to have first

00:41:41.739 --> 00:41:45.900
world countries for it to count. You know, like

00:41:45.900 --> 00:41:47.380
if you're in the Congo, you probably don't get

00:41:47.380 --> 00:41:50.219
as much screen time. No, you're busy mining the

00:41:50.219 --> 00:41:52.980
fucking raw materials. Exactly. Yeah. You're

00:41:52.980 --> 00:41:54.780
making the phones, not using them, which is the

00:41:54.780 --> 00:41:57.639
craziest thing of all that. The thing that people,

00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:01.199
virtue signal on the most at the end of the line.

00:42:01.340 --> 00:42:03.360
Japan. Someone pulling it out. Lowest global

00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:05.940
average. Interesting. Three hours and 56 minutes

00:42:05.940 --> 00:42:08.559
is still a lot of time. That's kind of crazy.

00:42:08.739 --> 00:42:10.460
But they're probably a little healthier with

00:42:10.460 --> 00:42:14.000
it. How is nine hours and 24 minutes less than

00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:18.059
10 hours and 56 minutes? How is that the highest

00:42:18.059 --> 00:42:21.059
global average if 10 hours is the... That's weird.

00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:24.199
I don't understand. Yeah. Close contender is

00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:27.909
more than the highest global average. I don't

00:42:27.909 --> 00:42:29.429
get it. But either way, the Philippines, they're

00:42:29.429 --> 00:42:32.690
killing the game. 10 hours and 56 minutes. Dude,

00:42:32.769 --> 00:42:37.130
there was a 2023 mental health report. The UK

00:42:37.130 --> 00:42:41.610
came in second most depressed country in the

00:42:41.610 --> 00:42:44.329
world. Second? Second most depressed country

00:42:44.329 --> 00:42:46.650
in the world. UK. UK, yeah. What's number one?

00:42:47.150 --> 00:42:51.539
Uzbekistan. So it's just above Uzbekistan and

00:42:51.539 --> 00:42:54.480
just below South Africa. Did the U .K. used to

00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:57.760
rank higher? Yes, it's tracked down over time,

00:42:57.820 --> 00:43:00.179
but it's never been superbly. I mean, misery

00:43:00.179 --> 00:43:03.920
is our, like melancholy is sort of our personality

00:43:03.920 --> 00:43:05.719
trait. It's our national sport, right, being

00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:10.079
a bit more melancholic. But, yeah, the Ukraine,

00:43:10.199 --> 00:43:11.659
who are just about to go into their fourth year

00:43:11.659 --> 00:43:15.230
of war, came in higher. And Yemen, who apparently

00:43:15.230 --> 00:43:17.110
are going through like one of the worst humanitarian

00:43:17.110 --> 00:43:20.969
crises in human history, also ranked higher than

00:43:20.969 --> 00:43:22.929
the U .K. So, yeah, second most depressed country

00:43:22.929 --> 00:43:25.289
in the world. That's crazy. That's a wild number,

00:43:25.349 --> 00:43:29.789
man. It can't just be the weather. It has to

00:43:29.789 --> 00:43:31.789
be like a— Weather might contribute a little

00:43:31.789 --> 00:43:33.949
bit. A little bit, like Seattle does. Like people

00:43:33.949 --> 00:43:35.510
in Seattle are depressed as fuck. Maybe it's

00:43:35.510 --> 00:43:38.369
the online safety bill. Could be. That would

00:43:38.369 --> 00:43:41.480
get me depressed. I would be so depressed if

00:43:41.480 --> 00:43:43.019
I lived in England right now. I'd be like, I'm

00:43:43.019 --> 00:43:45.599
fucked, like legitimately fucked. Like imagine

00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:48.320
if I was running this podcast the exact same

00:43:48.320 --> 00:43:52.000
way out of England. Not for long. Yeah, I'd get

00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:54.780
arrested. I'd get arrested. I saw they arrested

00:43:54.780 --> 00:43:58.840
a teacher because he refused to refer to one

00:43:58.840 --> 00:44:01.500
of his students as a they. And this was like

00:44:01.500 --> 00:44:05.119
his second infraction. And so they arrested him.

00:44:06.179 --> 00:44:14.780
For failure to recognize a singular plural. Look,

00:44:14.780 --> 00:44:17.760
I really don't like, I don't like shitting on

00:44:17.760 --> 00:44:19.400
the UK because it feels like I'm pulling the

00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:22.019
ladder up after I've just got out of it. But

00:44:22.019 --> 00:44:24.599
it's just, I don't know how many more ways you

00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:26.920
can faceplant over and over again. And there's

00:44:26.920 --> 00:44:28.719
this bit, there's a strange kind of romanticization

00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:31.840
of the past, of the UK. where we are English

00:44:31.840 --> 00:44:34.320
common law, and we stopped the transatlantic

00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:36.300
slave trade, and we used the Navy, and so on

00:44:36.300 --> 00:44:39.039
and so forth. But we're really living on borrowed

00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:43.019
time now as the UK. It's been a good while since

00:44:43.019 --> 00:44:45.179
the UK has contributed in that sort of a way.

00:44:45.420 --> 00:44:48.099
There was Alan Turing from World War II. The

00:44:48.099 --> 00:44:51.159
Turing effect? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he was the

00:44:51.159 --> 00:44:52.940
guy that decoded the Enigma machine. The Turing

00:44:52.940 --> 00:44:56.710
test. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he was gay. And he

00:44:56.710 --> 00:44:58.989
was chemically castrated by the British, despite

00:44:58.989 --> 00:45:00.869
the fact that he was literally our equivalent

00:45:00.869 --> 00:45:03.650
of the atomic bomb. Right. He was a very British

00:45:03.650 --> 00:45:05.530
version as well. It wasn't kinetic. It was cognitive.

00:45:05.889 --> 00:45:09.710
So he decodes the machine that the Germans are

00:45:09.710 --> 00:45:11.809
using to send their secret messages. This means

00:45:11.809 --> 00:45:13.829
that we're able to detect exactly where the U

00:45:13.829 --> 00:45:16.510
-boats are going to be. And it results in some

00:45:16.510 --> 00:45:20.710
really awkward situations like if we are before

00:45:20.710 --> 00:45:23.519
we're going to use all of our force. to try and

00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:26.360
take Germany down. If we avoid all of their planned

00:45:26.360 --> 00:45:29.219
bombings, they're going to guess that we might

00:45:29.219 --> 00:45:30.780
have the keys to some of their communication.

00:45:31.119 --> 00:45:34.079
So they had to start making decisions about which

00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:37.119
boats needed to be let attacked and which boats

00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:39.739
needed to be saved. Oh, my God. They knew all

00:45:39.739 --> 00:45:42.400
of the different attacks that were coming, but

00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:43.860
if they got rid of all of them, if they were

00:45:43.860 --> 00:45:45.340
safe from all of them, the Germans would start

00:45:45.340 --> 00:45:48.239
to catch on. So they had this really... Oh, God.

00:45:48.619 --> 00:45:52.500
So this guy is our equivalent of the atomic bomb.

00:45:52.860 --> 00:45:57.099
Right? He's our Oppenheimer. He gets chemically

00:45:57.099 --> 00:45:59.639
castrated just after World War II. It was in

00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:01.820
the 50s, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he

00:46:01.820 --> 00:46:03.440
kills himself. He takes his own life. He puts

00:46:03.440 --> 00:46:06.960
cyanide in an apple. Oscar Wilde in the 1800s,

00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:10.179
one of the greatest writers of all time, he's

00:46:10.179 --> 00:46:12.860
jailed and then dies in exile as a peasant in

00:46:12.860 --> 00:46:16.679
France because he was gay. And then 70 years

00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:20.480
after touring, Gordon Brown, it's like 2008,

00:46:20.659 --> 00:46:23.769
2009. publicly apologizes. They bring out this

00:46:23.769 --> 00:46:28.309
thing called the Turing Act, which gets rid of

00:46:28.309 --> 00:46:30.610
the criminal records of all of these people from

00:46:30.610 --> 00:46:32.650
history, like posthumous. And some of them are

00:46:32.650 --> 00:46:34.289
probably still alive, actually, like some of

00:46:34.289 --> 00:46:36.550
these people that had been, whatever it was,

00:46:36.670 --> 00:46:39.969
convicted of indecent behavior, improper behavior

00:46:39.969 --> 00:46:42.610
at the time. And then they put Turing on the

00:46:42.610 --> 00:46:46.090
£50 note. So Britain has, for all that it's fantastic,

00:46:46.230 --> 00:46:47.570
and I love it, and it's the country that I came

00:46:47.570 --> 00:46:51.550
from. It does have a history of fucking persecuting

00:46:51.550 --> 00:46:53.989
people for what's deemed improper behavior at

00:46:53.989 --> 00:46:56.429
the time and then apologizing for it a couple

00:46:56.429 --> 00:46:58.809
of decades later. And I think with the online

00:46:58.809 --> 00:47:01.889
safety bill thing, I think it's going to be the

00:47:01.889 --> 00:47:03.789
sort of thing that you look back on and go, in

00:47:03.789 --> 00:47:07.610
no one's world was that a smart move. I don't

00:47:07.610 --> 00:47:11.710
think that it's helping anybody at all. Well,

00:47:11.809 --> 00:47:15.150
it just appears that they want total, complete

00:47:15.150 --> 00:47:18.519
control of what people say over there. And that

00:47:18.519 --> 00:47:21.000
they don't want criticism of the government and

00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:23.679
criticism about immigration and criticism about,

00:47:23.780 --> 00:47:26.469
you know, fill in the blank. They don't want

00:47:26.469 --> 00:47:28.449
it. And the best way to stop that is to keep

00:47:28.449 --> 00:47:30.469
everybody scared, make everybody self -censor.

00:47:30.590 --> 00:47:32.289
What's the best way to make everybody self -censor?

00:47:32.369 --> 00:47:35.730
Put a bunch of fucking people in jail. So last

00:47:35.730 --> 00:47:38.309
year, what was it, 12 ,000? 12 ,000 people got

00:47:38.309 --> 00:47:40.090
arrested for social media posts? Supposedly more

00:47:40.090 --> 00:47:42.650
than Russia, although the Russian stats might

00:47:42.650 --> 00:47:45.090
not be... Well, they didn't arrest them. They

00:47:45.090 --> 00:47:48.130
just shot them in the face. They don't count

00:47:48.130 --> 00:47:51.429
that. Gulag for you. Yeah, they just kill folks

00:47:51.429 --> 00:47:55.090
over there. But, yeah, it's really bad. It's

00:47:55.090 --> 00:47:58.130
really bad, and it just doesn't seem very progressive.

00:47:58.610 --> 00:48:01.289
It doesn't seem like you're moving towards the

00:48:01.289 --> 00:48:04.849
future. It's not progress. We figured out a long

00:48:04.849 --> 00:48:07.809
time ago that free speech is very important to

00:48:07.809 --> 00:48:09.690
figure out what's right and what's wrong, and

00:48:09.690 --> 00:48:11.869
when you suppress people's speech, you can get

00:48:11.869 --> 00:48:13.989
away with a lot of fucking horrible things because

00:48:13.989 --> 00:48:16.530
you stop people from being able to protest it.

00:48:16.889 --> 00:48:19.130
In a small part, we saw a lot of that during

00:48:19.130 --> 00:48:23.030
the pandemic, and you see what the consequences

00:48:23.030 --> 00:48:26.800
of that are. You can't trust people that want

00:48:26.800 --> 00:48:30.000
power. You just can't. What do you mean? Anybody

00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:33.179
that wants any kind of control over a group of

00:48:33.179 --> 00:48:35.420
people, if you want to control what they say,

00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:36.860
if you want to control where they go, you want

00:48:36.860 --> 00:48:39.860
to put them in 15 -minute cities, you can't trust

00:48:39.860 --> 00:48:42.639
that because the natural inclination when someone

00:48:42.639 --> 00:48:45.460
has power is to never let it go. and to ramp

00:48:45.460 --> 00:48:47.780
it up. They're in the power business. If you're

00:48:47.780 --> 00:48:49.800
in the power business, you don't want to keep

00:48:49.800 --> 00:48:51.579
making the same amount of money every year. You

00:48:51.579 --> 00:48:53.440
don't want to have the same power every year.

00:48:53.800 --> 00:48:56.199
That's boring, right? Like if you're an insurance

00:48:56.199 --> 00:48:57.739
salesman, you want to be the fucking employee

00:48:57.739 --> 00:48:59.500
of the month. You want to make more money next

00:48:59.500 --> 00:49:01.599
year. You got your eyes on a new Lexus. You're

00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:03.679
trying to make more. You're not trying to stay

00:49:03.679 --> 00:49:06.500
maintained. That's not the game you're in. And

00:49:06.500 --> 00:49:08.320
if you're in the power game and if you're in

00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:11.199
the game of enacting new laws in order to have,

00:49:11.280 --> 00:49:15.139
we need safety. Safety. Under the guise of safety,

00:49:15.219 --> 00:49:17.739
you can get so much evil shit done. And if you

00:49:17.739 --> 00:49:19.559
start doing that, you're not going to say, you

00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:21.079
know what, guys, we were that safety bill. We

00:49:21.079 --> 00:49:22.780
were really wrong. And what's really important

00:49:22.780 --> 00:49:24.960
is discourse. What's really important is that

00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:27.719
maybe I wonder why you think the way you think.

00:49:27.739 --> 00:49:30.420
And, you know, maybe part of this polarization

00:49:30.420 --> 00:49:34.940
process is not enabling us to see valid points

00:49:34.940 --> 00:49:36.780
the other side has. Let's all come together and

00:49:36.780 --> 00:49:40.469
talk about this as reasonable human beings. No,

00:49:40.630 --> 00:49:42.309
that's not what they're going to do. They're

00:49:42.309 --> 00:49:44.349
going to come up with more fucking reasons to

00:49:44.349 --> 00:49:48.570
put you in a cage. They want you to shut the

00:49:48.570 --> 00:49:50.190
fuck up because they want to make more. They

00:49:50.190 --> 00:49:51.849
want to have more. They want to get more power.

00:49:52.090 --> 00:49:54.309
They want to be the best leader. They want to

00:49:54.309 --> 00:49:56.449
be the most powerful leader. Isn't that a ruthless

00:49:56.449 --> 00:49:59.409
part of human nature that trajectory is more

00:49:59.409 --> 00:50:01.789
important than position? Jimmy Carr taught me

00:50:01.789 --> 00:50:04.610
this. So your industry, imagine that you're the...

00:50:06.259 --> 00:50:08.320
250th best comedian in the world. Let's imagine

00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:10.199
there's a ranking. And last year you were the

00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:16.219
300th. You were in a more psychologically preferable

00:50:16.219 --> 00:50:18.400
position than somebody who's number two in the

00:50:18.400 --> 00:50:21.679
world, but last year was number one. This sense

00:50:21.679 --> 00:50:24.679
that humans have of where am I now compared to

00:50:24.679 --> 00:50:27.519
where I was previously. I spoke to Dan Bilzerian

00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:29.460
about this forever ago. And I was like, dude,

00:50:29.500 --> 00:50:31.539
you've kind of climbed the peak of the mountain

00:50:31.539 --> 00:50:34.119
of hedonism. Did you ever think that you kind

00:50:34.119 --> 00:50:36.860
of front -loaded it too much and that it's going

00:50:36.860 --> 00:50:38.800
to be really, really difficult for you to ever...

00:50:39.959 --> 00:50:42.019
Like reset, like I do a hedonic reset. How do

00:50:42.019 --> 00:50:44.539
you go from the most amount of girls in the cars

00:50:44.539 --> 00:50:46.980
and all the dopamine that the world has to offer?

00:50:47.320 --> 00:50:50.280
Where do you go from there? And he basically

00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:52.079
said, yeah, he was like, I'm going to try. I

00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:53.679
would consider shaving my head and my beard and

00:50:53.679 --> 00:50:55.239
going and working in an Amazon warehouse for

00:50:55.239 --> 00:50:57.340
six months to see if I can do like a hard reset.

00:50:57.760 --> 00:50:59.380
But you always know that you've got the get out

00:50:59.380 --> 00:51:00.880
of jail free card. So it's not going to be the

00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:05.119
same. And just the idea, as you're saying, somebody

00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:09.380
has power. They want more power. Right. They

00:51:09.380 --> 00:51:11.679
want more power. They want more control. That

00:51:11.679 --> 00:51:15.659
sense. That's the sport they're playing. Bingo.

00:51:15.900 --> 00:51:18.139
Scoring. They're scoring. You have to keep score.

00:51:18.500 --> 00:51:20.579
Greta Thunberg. The same thing. We need more

00:51:20.579 --> 00:51:23.400
eyeballs. We need a bigger, bigger. Because where

00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:25.300
do you go after you've made the rivers of Venice

00:51:25.300 --> 00:51:27.239
green? Yeah. Well, you need to do something bigger,

00:51:27.260 --> 00:51:29.800
something more. I need more likes. That didn't

00:51:29.800 --> 00:51:32.340
get me enough likes. I need more likes. I need

00:51:32.340 --> 00:51:35.199
to go viral. It's a ruthless. I'm being shadow

00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:38.320
banned. No, you're not. Your content just sucks.

00:51:38.699 --> 00:51:41.639
Some people get shadow banned, but most people

00:51:41.639 --> 00:51:43.400
that are shadow banned, they just suck. Yeah,

00:51:43.480 --> 00:51:45.199
most people just don't understand that they're

00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:46.960
not interesting. But there's definitely real

00:51:46.960 --> 00:51:48.619
shadow banning going on. One of the things that

00:51:48.619 --> 00:51:50.820
was interesting is that once Elon purchased Twitter,

00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:55.440
I gained like 5 million followers over the course

00:51:55.440 --> 00:51:57.659
of like a couple of months. I was like, what's

00:51:57.659 --> 00:52:01.320
going on? It's because I was somehow or another

00:52:01.320 --> 00:52:04.619
they had locked my followers down. I'm not complaining

00:52:04.619 --> 00:52:07.559
about this. I'm just observing. I know I have

00:52:07.559 --> 00:52:10.639
a lot of followers. It's ridiculous. I think

00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:13.780
I had 7 million. And it used to go up pretty

00:52:13.780 --> 00:52:16.159
steady. And then somewhere during the woke days,

00:52:16.340 --> 00:52:18.619
during the dark days of woke, when it all started

00:52:18.619 --> 00:52:22.480
happening, which is around, I think, 2014, 15,

00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:25.599
16, it started really ramping up. And then it

00:52:25.599 --> 00:52:29.340
seems like from 16 on, real censorship started

00:52:29.340 --> 00:52:31.340
really kicking into high gear because then they

00:52:31.340 --> 00:52:34.739
had a reason for it. Donald Trump is our president.

00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:37.420
We have to make sure this never happens again.

00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:41.239
In fact, there was a meeting. believe, I don't

00:52:41.239 --> 00:52:43.280
want to say the tech company because I might

00:52:43.280 --> 00:52:47.039
be incorrect, but one of the people, one of the

00:52:47.039 --> 00:52:49.960
main people at this tech company specifically

00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:53.780
said at the meeting, we have to make sure this

00:52:53.780 --> 00:52:58.190
doesn't happen again. As in Trump being president.

00:52:58.210 --> 00:53:00.090
They did a fucking horrendous job there, didn't

00:53:00.090 --> 00:53:02.110
they? Well, they fucked up. But the point being,

00:53:02.190 --> 00:53:06.969
imagine you are in control of an enormous platform,

00:53:07.389 --> 00:53:11.329
an enormous media platform that controls the

00:53:11.329 --> 00:53:15.170
discourse of... Untold billions of people in

00:53:15.170 --> 00:53:18.309
the world and you have a very specific mandate

00:53:18.309 --> 00:53:20.369
that you've given to the people that work for

00:53:20.369 --> 00:53:23.389
you. We have to make sure that we control who

00:53:23.389 --> 00:53:25.590
the king is. Because that's what you're saying.

00:53:25.869 --> 00:53:27.869
You're saying we got to make sure this doesn't

00:53:27.869 --> 00:53:30.190
happen again. Well, how do you do that? How do

00:53:30.190 --> 00:53:31.889
you do that if 50 % of the people don't agree?

00:53:32.590 --> 00:53:35.650
By force. There's only one way. You have to do

00:53:35.650 --> 00:53:38.369
it by force. Or if you control the narrative,

00:53:38.530 --> 00:53:42.809
then you just hide information. You accelerate

00:53:42.809 --> 00:53:47.090
information that's incorrect. You just ban people

00:53:47.090 --> 00:53:50.550
from communicating. You kick people out. Well,

00:53:50.570 --> 00:53:52.349
I mean, some people would say that getting to

00:53:52.349 --> 00:53:54.269
choose who's king is what you do if you then

00:53:54.269 --> 00:53:57.070
buy that social media platform. Sure. There's

00:53:57.070 --> 00:53:59.909
an argument for that, like what Elon did. There's

00:53:59.909 --> 00:54:01.809
a real argument for that. But there's also an

00:54:01.809 --> 00:54:04.510
argument for don't you think it's a good idea

00:54:04.510 --> 00:54:06.710
if we have at least one of these motherfuckers

00:54:06.710 --> 00:54:09.989
that's huge that you can go wild, wild west on?

00:54:10.639 --> 00:54:13.139
And say whatever you want. I think that's very

00:54:13.139 --> 00:54:16.099
important. You don't have to agree with them.

00:54:16.219 --> 00:54:18.219
There's all these tools you can use. One of them

00:54:18.219 --> 00:54:20.639
is the mute button. You can mute people. Bye

00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:22.280
-bye. I don't want to hear you anymore. You're

00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:24.400
annoying. Or you can ban them. I don't even want

00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:26.519
you looking at my page. Get out of here. Those

00:54:26.519 --> 00:54:29.599
things exist. You can curate who you're communicating

00:54:29.599 --> 00:54:34.519
and interacting with. But if you don't have one

00:54:34.519 --> 00:54:39.530
of these groups that's resistant to... intelligence

00:54:39.530 --> 00:54:43.190
agencies shutting down legitimate voices, including

00:54:43.190 --> 00:54:45.809
during the COVID times. It was guys like Jay

00:54:45.809 --> 00:54:50.210
Bhattacharya from Stanford, guys from MIT, because

00:54:50.210 --> 00:54:52.590
they were saying something that didn't jive with

00:54:52.590 --> 00:54:54.449
what the agenda that Fauci was pushing through.

00:54:54.690 --> 00:54:56.389
Where do you think we're at now? If you were

00:54:56.389 --> 00:54:58.929
to sort of predict what the trajectory of the

00:54:58.929 --> 00:55:01.889
speech stuff is online, talk about America, UK,

00:55:02.010 --> 00:55:05.550
I think is just a lost cause. Do you think that

00:55:05.550 --> 00:55:07.679
we're going to continue on this? general path

00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:09.900
which seems to be a little bit more sanity yes

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way to hire. Elon's purchase of Twitter. When

00:56:33.239 --> 00:56:35.320
Elon purchased Twitter, and I don't say this

00:56:35.320 --> 00:56:37.340
lightly, I think he changed the course of civilization.

00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:40.360
I really do. I think we were on our way to this

00:56:40.360 --> 00:56:44.900
weird dystopian censorship complex that was already

00:56:44.900 --> 00:56:48.539
moving. We had already had intelligence agencies

00:56:48.539 --> 00:56:51.500
that were contacting Twitter. We know this through

00:56:51.500 --> 00:56:54.519
the Twitter files. And they were banning... certain

00:56:54.519 --> 00:56:57.000
people that weren't saying incorrect things,

00:56:57.119 --> 00:56:58.860
but they were saying things that were inconvenient.

00:56:59.360 --> 00:57:03.059
And they turned out to all be accurate. All the

00:57:03.059 --> 00:57:04.619
things that they were warning about, all the

00:57:04.619 --> 00:57:06.019
things that they're saying all turned out to

00:57:06.019 --> 00:57:09.000
be accurate. They stopped the distribution of

00:57:09.000 --> 00:57:12.219
the Hunter Biden laptop story by the New York

00:57:12.219 --> 00:57:15.880
Post. The New York Post, the second oldest newspaper

00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:19.679
in America. It's a fucking huge newspaper. To

00:57:19.679 --> 00:57:22.619
stop that from being able to be distributed on

00:57:22.619 --> 00:57:25.349
Twitter. Which turn it would turn out to be a

00:57:25.349 --> 00:57:28.110
totally accurate story and to stop that accurate

00:57:28.110 --> 00:57:33.289
story is wild That is scary stuff that if Elon

00:57:33.289 --> 00:57:36.889
didn't purchase Twitter We would have just had

00:57:36.889 --> 00:57:38.750
to deal with that kind of stuff that would be

00:57:38.750 --> 00:57:40.510
and it would accelerate it wouldn't stay where

00:57:40.510 --> 00:57:43.250
it is It would ramp up it would get more there

00:57:43.250 --> 00:57:46.150
were they were started using the term Mal information,

00:57:46.409 --> 00:57:50.019
so there's misinformation Disinformation and

00:57:50.019 --> 00:57:53.219
then malinformation. Malinformation is factual

00:57:53.219 --> 00:57:57.139
information that might cause harm. Can you give

00:57:57.139 --> 00:57:59.539
me an example of malinformation? Children don't

00:57:59.539 --> 00:58:02.570
need a COVID vaccine. That's malinformation because

00:58:02.570 --> 00:58:06.110
it is true. Statistically speaking, like especially

00:58:06.110 --> 00:58:08.489
healthy kids, they kick it off like it's nothing.

00:58:08.650 --> 00:58:11.030
They don't need a vaccine for that. But that

00:58:11.030 --> 00:58:13.130
might cause people to not get vaccinated. That

00:58:13.130 --> 00:58:15.309
might kill your grandmother. So that's malinformation.

00:58:15.409 --> 00:58:17.510
Can you think of an example of malinformation

00:58:17.510 --> 00:58:22.730
where it's justified in doing that? Yes. I would

00:58:22.730 --> 00:58:28.780
say like if you had some information. And you

00:58:28.780 --> 00:58:34.400
were you were releasing it online. That was an

00:58:34.400 --> 00:58:40.860
accurate depiction of some things that the federal

00:58:40.860 --> 00:58:44.239
government is involved with that would compromise

00:58:44.239 --> 00:58:48.380
national security to people overseas. Yeah. We

00:58:48.380 --> 00:58:51.360
get people killed. How to start conflicts. Here's

00:58:51.360 --> 00:58:54.980
another one that I've just thought of. You know

00:58:54.980 --> 00:58:58.320
those desktop DNA printers? This is how to put

00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:01.420
smallpox together. Right. Right. Something like

00:59:01.420 --> 00:59:04.300
that. Something which is true but would be dangerous.

00:59:04.579 --> 00:59:07.119
And the devil's in the fucking details. 100%.

00:59:07.119 --> 00:59:09.659
With stuff like this. It's never binary. It's

00:59:09.659 --> 00:59:11.559
never incorrect or correct. Sometimes it's binary.

00:59:11.699 --> 00:59:13.940
Sometimes. I shouldn't say never. Some things

00:59:13.940 --> 00:59:16.219
are binary. Sure. Like whether or not you should

00:59:16.219 --> 00:59:19.090
win a fucking World's Woman Stronglifting. Strong

00:59:19.090 --> 00:59:23.130
man, power woman competition. That just happened.

00:59:23.210 --> 00:59:25.869
I thought we were done with that. It just happened.

00:59:26.010 --> 00:59:28.269
Would you know why it was able to happen? It's

00:59:28.269 --> 00:59:32.210
because that person lied. That person lied about

00:59:32.210 --> 00:59:36.110
their sex. Oh, interesting. Jamie, can you try

00:59:36.110 --> 00:59:42.110
and pull up an image of the current 2025 world's

00:59:42.110 --> 00:59:46.050
strongest woman winner, please? Just for clarity,

00:59:46.329 --> 00:59:49.480
Mitchell Hooper. That is the world's strongest

00:59:49.480 --> 00:59:55.880
man, Canadian dude. He's 6 '3", 330. The person

00:59:55.880 --> 01:00:00.360
who won woman's strongest man is 6 '4", and 400

01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:03.280
pounds. She makes the current world's strongest

01:00:03.280 --> 01:00:06.360
man look like an infant. Oh, world's strongest

01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:08.500
woman, woman stripped of title after organized

01:00:08.500 --> 01:00:10.619
discovery she was born a man. That was an hour

01:00:10.619 --> 01:00:12.800
ago, dude. Okay, so an hour ago they stripped

01:00:12.800 --> 01:00:16.500
her. Is that the person? Yep, Jamie Booker, disqualified.

01:00:16.699 --> 01:00:21.920
That's a man? Are you sure? It appears the athlete

01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:24.099
who is biologically male and now identifies as

01:00:24.099 --> 01:00:25.880
female competed in the women's open category.

01:00:26.380 --> 01:00:28.739
They were unaware of this fact ahead of the competition

01:00:28.739 --> 01:00:30.780
and have been urgently investigating. I want

01:00:30.780 --> 01:00:33.059
to know what urgent investigation is. They went

01:00:33.059 --> 01:00:38.050
on Twitter. So that's a biological male. That's

01:00:38.050 --> 01:00:39.969
interesting. Correct. It looks like just a big

01:00:39.969 --> 01:00:41.670
lady. Had we been aware or had this been declared

01:00:41.670 --> 01:00:43.269
at any point before or during the competition,

01:00:43.389 --> 01:00:44.889
this athlete would not have been permitted to

01:00:44.889 --> 01:00:46.730
compete in the women's open category. The move

01:00:46.730 --> 01:00:49.530
comes after runner -up Andrea Thompson, British,

01:00:49.650 --> 01:00:52.110
hey, was filmed storming off the podium as she

01:00:52.110 --> 01:00:54.449
raged about the bullshit decision toward the

01:00:54.449 --> 01:00:57.389
title. So the other competitors evidently knew.

01:00:57.769 --> 01:01:00.030
Okay, so Thompson is now the winner. So the UK

01:01:00.030 --> 01:01:04.230
gets the gold. I think about this. so much when

01:01:04.230 --> 01:01:06.010
it comes to sporting competitions and it's not

01:01:06.010 --> 01:01:08.889
just with the the trans thing although this is

01:01:08.889 --> 01:01:11.170
a huge deal and i did think that we kind of got

01:01:11.170 --> 01:01:15.590
past it how horrible is it to be the person who

01:01:15.590 --> 01:01:20.329
won but had that moment the podium moment stolen

01:01:20.329 --> 01:01:23.550
from you by somebody i think there's a a weightlifting

01:01:23.550 --> 01:01:27.590
olympics weightlifting championship final where

01:01:27.590 --> 01:01:31.210
currently like the 11th place finisher is now

01:01:31.210 --> 01:01:33.889
first because each person has progressively got

01:01:33.889 --> 01:01:35.949
popped for PEDs. Number one did, then number

01:01:35.949 --> 01:01:37.989
two did, then number three did. It's like 11

01:01:37.989 --> 01:01:40.110
people have been popped for PEDs now. Well, that's

01:01:40.110 --> 01:01:41.690
the Tour de France. You know, when they took

01:01:41.690 --> 01:01:44.230
away Lance Armstrong's title, so the Tour de

01:01:44.230 --> 01:01:46.230
France, what they didn't tell you that if you

01:01:46.230 --> 01:01:50.150
want to go and remove all of the people that

01:01:50.150 --> 01:01:53.210
have tested positive for something, you got to

01:01:53.210 --> 01:01:59.090
go down to like 18th place. For real. For real.

01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:02.179
Like all those guys were doing something. They

01:02:02.179 --> 01:02:04.900
were all blood doping. They were all taking EPO.

01:02:04.940 --> 01:02:08.099
They were putting motors in their fucking bikes.

01:02:08.360 --> 01:02:11.840
I've seen a video of that. Yeah. These guys try

01:02:11.840 --> 01:02:15.820
for fucking every edge humanly possible. So,

01:02:15.880 --> 01:02:18.460
you know, he was just a scapegoat. But what he

01:02:18.460 --> 01:02:21.000
was doing was he was suing people that were saying

01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:23.840
that he did PEDs. It's a smart way to silence

01:02:23.840 --> 01:02:29.030
them. But, yeah. Sort of. I would be really interested

01:02:29.030 --> 01:02:31.349
to see what the reaction is. That's fucking wet

01:02:31.349 --> 01:02:33.070
clay stuff, right? Hot off the press a couple

01:02:33.070 --> 01:02:35.030
of hours ago that it's been rescinded. I think

01:02:35.030 --> 01:02:38.690
we would be more outraged if they accepted this

01:02:38.690 --> 01:02:42.329
transgender person as a female and then say,

01:02:42.429 --> 01:02:44.969
oh, a trans woman's a woman. Let her compete.

01:02:45.230 --> 01:02:48.409
It seems like this person lied. And so that's

01:02:48.409 --> 01:02:52.980
different. But still identify. I agree that it's

01:02:52.980 --> 01:02:55.940
reassuring to see what the world's strongest

01:02:55.940 --> 01:02:59.480
person organization decided that they were going

01:02:59.480 --> 01:03:03.420
to do in a sort of repercussion to it. But you

01:03:03.420 --> 01:03:05.320
can already predict, both of us can already predict

01:03:05.320 --> 01:03:08.519
what's going to happen online, that this person

01:03:08.519 --> 01:03:09.880
shouldn't have been stripped of their title.

01:03:09.920 --> 01:03:12.139
Maybe they lied, but they should be competing

01:03:12.139 --> 01:03:15.300
inside of this. The side of the aisle that always

01:03:15.300 --> 01:03:16.960
agrees with this, do you not think that they're

01:03:16.960 --> 01:03:21.519
going to be pro? I think that is... slowly but

01:03:21.519 --> 01:03:25.659
surely losing traction and support. I really

01:03:25.659 --> 01:03:27.719
believe that. I believe that's where the rubber

01:03:27.719 --> 01:03:32.239
meets the road because you're going to lose most

01:03:32.239 --> 01:03:35.469
women that have ever done a sport. You know,

01:03:35.489 --> 01:03:38.449
if you are a sedentary woman that has no interest

01:03:38.449 --> 01:03:41.230
whatsoever in athletic competition and you think

01:03:41.230 --> 01:03:45.070
it's more than a good price to pay to let biological

01:03:45.070 --> 01:03:47.489
males who identify as women because we want them

01:03:47.489 --> 01:03:50.449
to be exclusive, it's more important to recognize

01:03:50.449 --> 01:03:53.829
and affirm their identity than it is to be fair.

01:03:54.030 --> 01:03:56.690
You haven't done any sports. So you're going

01:03:56.690 --> 01:04:00.050
to lose not just most of the men. You're going

01:04:00.050 --> 01:04:04.480
to lose a lot of you lose anyone. Right of center,

01:04:04.760 --> 01:04:08.380
like libertarian, anyone, anyone. You're going

01:04:08.380 --> 01:04:10.739
to not just lose all of the right. You're going

01:04:10.739 --> 01:04:13.610
to lose a. A giant chunk of the center. Because

01:04:13.610 --> 01:04:15.530
I think the center in this country is probably

01:04:15.530 --> 01:04:18.730
the most rational of all groups. Those are the

01:04:18.730 --> 01:04:21.050
people that recognize kind of a little bit of

01:04:21.050 --> 01:04:24.869
everything here. Right of center or left of center.

01:04:25.030 --> 01:04:27.070
You're going to lose all those people and you're

01:04:27.070 --> 01:04:28.849
going to lose most women. You're going to lose

01:04:28.849 --> 01:04:32.170
most women that have daughters. You're going

01:04:32.170 --> 01:04:33.889
to lose them. The only ones you're not going

01:04:33.889 --> 01:04:38.630
to lose are the fucking kooks. The SSRI. filled

01:04:38.630 --> 01:04:43.849
up, anti -anxiety medication, transitioning happy

01:04:43.849 --> 01:04:47.630
kooks. Those fucking kooks that think that you

01:04:47.630 --> 01:04:51.050
have a hierarchy of who's oppressed the most.

01:04:51.329 --> 01:04:54.210
Trans people are people. Trans women are women.

01:04:54.269 --> 01:04:56.090
And they want to scream it out and yell it. They're

01:04:56.090 --> 01:04:59.690
just crazy. You're going to have those people

01:04:59.690 --> 01:05:01.909
that are going to be with it no matter what.

01:05:02.150 --> 01:05:03.869
Get into the boxing ring with that trans woman

01:05:03.869 --> 01:05:06.219
who's a woman. I thought the one that was a man

01:05:06.219 --> 01:05:09.739
that lied, the Olympic champion, that they just

01:05:09.739 --> 01:05:12.519
took away his gold medal. I saw that flip -flop.

01:05:12.539 --> 01:05:14.380
That story flip -flopped back and forth like

01:05:14.380 --> 01:05:16.159
10 times. It was like a Christopher Nolan movie

01:05:16.159 --> 01:05:18.380
to me. Well, because that person was threatening

01:05:18.380 --> 01:05:20.780
to sue a bunch of people, right? They were threatening

01:05:20.780 --> 01:05:23.000
to sue a bunch of people that called them a male.

01:05:23.139 --> 01:05:25.199
Made a statement, rescinded it, made a statement.

01:05:25.320 --> 01:05:27.860
Let's put this through perplexity or something.

01:05:28.960 --> 01:05:31.659
Where we can figure out what – I want to know

01:05:31.659 --> 01:05:35.079
what the number is. I want to know what's true.

01:05:35.360 --> 01:05:38.639
Because what I think is there was another organization

01:05:38.639 --> 01:05:41.880
that did a chromosome analysis and found out

01:05:41.880 --> 01:05:44.099
this person had an XY chromosome. So this is

01:05:44.099 --> 01:05:48.860
a specific type of disease or genetic abnormality

01:05:48.860 --> 01:05:50.840
where your testicles don't drop. Fucking edge

01:05:50.840 --> 01:05:52.940
cases again, dude. Edge cases. It's so strange.

01:05:53.039 --> 01:05:59.039
Ask it. Did that person get their gold medal

01:05:59.039 --> 01:06:04.019
taken away and why? Yes, they did. Right. And

01:06:04.019 --> 01:06:06.940
why? I know, but let's see what it says in terms

01:06:06.940 --> 01:06:09.480
of why. Why? Because they're a man. And how did

01:06:09.480 --> 01:06:12.639
they find out? Find out how they found out. Because

01:06:12.639 --> 01:06:15.659
I think the narrative is that there was another

01:06:15.659 --> 01:06:17.699
boxing organization that had already suspected

01:06:17.699 --> 01:06:20.039
something was up. Did some testing. Did some

01:06:20.039 --> 01:06:22.019
testing. Found out this person has an XY chromosome.

01:06:22.340 --> 01:06:27.570
Used that. So. Won the Golden Women's 66 kilogram

01:06:27.570 --> 01:06:32.710
boxing event strip. Now a derecognized International

01:06:32.710 --> 01:06:35.869
Boxing Association previously disqualified Khalif

01:06:35.869 --> 01:06:38.429
from the 2023 Women's World Championships after

01:06:38.429 --> 01:06:40.690
she failed eligibility tests under its own rules.

01:06:40.869 --> 01:06:43.150
Later claimed those tests showed she was ineligible

01:06:43.150 --> 01:06:45.630
for women's competition because of these tests.

01:06:45.750 --> 01:06:48.809
IBA officials, some media and advocacy groups

01:06:48.809 --> 01:06:52.650
have publicly demanded the IOC strip or reclaim

01:06:52.650 --> 01:06:54.750
her gold medal, arguing that she could not have

01:06:54.750 --> 01:06:56.849
been. allowed in the woman's – should not have

01:06:56.849 --> 01:06:59.269
been allowed in the woman's category. Like they're

01:06:59.269 --> 01:07:01.889
still saying she. Despite those demands, IOC

01:07:01.889 --> 01:07:05.230
has defended allowing Khalif to compete in Paris,

01:07:05.349 --> 01:07:07.349
describing the IBA's disqualification decision

01:07:07.349 --> 01:07:11.409
as arbitrary and saying she met the IOC's eligibility

01:07:11.409 --> 01:07:15.530
criteria at the time. So what is the IOC's –

01:07:15.530 --> 01:07:20.320
what is their – eligibility criteria. Boxing

01:07:20.320 --> 01:07:22.340
must be a fucking nightmare for this because

01:07:22.340 --> 01:07:24.719
of all of the different organizations that exist.

01:07:24.820 --> 01:07:27.019
And each one is going to have its own different

01:07:27.019 --> 01:07:29.440
set. We have a coordination problem here. Here's

01:07:29.440 --> 01:07:31.380
an even more, here's a bigger nightmare. Prisons.

01:07:33.039 --> 01:07:36.579
Prisons have a self -identity thing in order

01:07:36.579 --> 01:07:38.860
to be eligible for female prisons. There's a

01:07:38.860 --> 01:07:40.900
lot of prisons, including, I believe, New Jersey,

01:07:41.019 --> 01:07:44.119
California. California has 47 biological males

01:07:44.119 --> 01:07:46.440
that are housed in women's prisons. Okay. At

01:07:46.440 --> 01:07:50.699
least. Who runs a prison? Is it the state? Is

01:07:50.699 --> 01:07:52.480
it an independent organization? Well, some of

01:07:52.480 --> 01:07:54.639
them are independent. Some of them are privately

01:07:54.639 --> 01:07:58.639
owned. Chromosome test results were kept confidential

01:07:58.639 --> 01:08:01.940
by the IBA but were leaked after and widely reported.

01:08:02.139 --> 01:08:05.760
The IOC nonetheless rejected IBA's findings as

01:08:05.760 --> 01:08:09.539
arbitrary, even with the chromosome test. That's

01:08:09.539 --> 01:08:12.079
really standing your ground. Oh boy, you silly

01:08:12.079 --> 01:08:16.979
gooses. Well, see, this was only 2024. So to

01:08:16.979 --> 01:08:20.319
say that maybe this is the landmark case, maybe

01:08:20.319 --> 01:08:22.119
it wasn't Leah Thomas as a swimmer, maybe it

01:08:22.119 --> 01:08:23.899
was somebody in a physical sport. But I mean,

01:08:23.899 --> 01:08:26.600
when we're talking about the strong woman competition,

01:08:26.840 --> 01:08:30.140
dude, if you're 6 '4", I think the next tallest

01:08:30.140 --> 01:08:33.640
woman was 5 '8", or 5 '7". Think about what you're

01:08:33.640 --> 01:08:35.359
doing. You're like wrapping your arms around.

01:08:35.520 --> 01:08:37.460
You can... It always gets slippery, right? Because

01:08:37.460 --> 01:08:38.859
it's like, well, there's not very many of them.

01:08:39.340 --> 01:08:40.939
So why are we making such a big deal out of it?

01:08:41.000 --> 01:08:44.159
And it's like, hey, if there's one rapist in

01:08:44.159 --> 01:08:46.420
the local community, you don't go, well, there's

01:08:46.420 --> 01:08:48.079
only one of them. Like, what's the chances that

01:08:48.079 --> 01:08:50.199
you run into? It's like, no, no, no. We try and,

01:08:50.199 --> 01:08:53.340
you know, treat this problem. So first off, there's

01:08:53.340 --> 01:08:55.979
not many of them. Then, well, you know, look

01:08:55.979 --> 01:08:58.819
at what happens when you take... these estrogen

01:08:58.819 --> 01:09:00.659
you down regulate your testosterone it's below

01:09:00.659 --> 01:09:03.100
this particular level therapeutic and you go

01:09:03.100 --> 01:09:05.359
well yeah but it's like being on a heavy course

01:09:05.359 --> 01:09:08.060
of steroids up until you stopped doing that and

01:09:08.060 --> 01:09:10.220
then how much of that does carry over that gets

01:09:10.220 --> 01:09:13.869
a bit slippery but just the size the size of

01:09:13.869 --> 01:09:15.770
the hands of a person who's six foot four and

01:09:15.770 --> 01:09:18.729
400 pounds compared with a woman who's probably

01:09:18.729 --> 01:09:21.689
like 220 and five foot eight like grip strength

01:09:21.689 --> 01:09:23.850
being able to do like that's pretty important

01:09:23.850 --> 01:09:26.550
in the sport of strong woman all of it is wrapping

01:09:26.550 --> 01:09:28.800
your arms around an atlas stone Yeah, you could

01:09:28.800 --> 01:09:32.159
do this forever. It's all ridiculous. It's ridiculous.

01:09:32.399 --> 01:09:35.640
It's not the same. It doesn't mean that someone

01:09:35.640 --> 01:09:37.920
shouldn't be able to change their name and identify

01:09:37.920 --> 01:09:40.180
as a woman. It's just like you can't dominate

01:09:40.180 --> 01:09:43.039
women's sports. You can't dominate women's spaces.

01:09:43.439 --> 01:09:47.619
You can't. You're not a woman. We'll call you

01:09:47.619 --> 01:09:50.340
one if we want to be nice. But the reality is

01:09:50.340 --> 01:09:53.920
biological sex is a real thing. And when it comes

01:09:53.920 --> 01:09:56.239
to competition, physical competition, there's

01:09:56.239 --> 01:09:58.640
a reason we have Title IX in America. There's

01:09:58.640 --> 01:10:00.640
a reason why we recognize women's sports. There's

01:10:00.640 --> 01:10:02.979
a reason why you have it set up that women will

01:10:02.979 --> 01:10:04.979
compete against each other because it's fair.

01:10:05.119 --> 01:10:06.939
It's not fair to make women. Or else you'd just

01:10:06.939 --> 01:10:10.079
have a unisex category. Yes. And it would be

01:10:10.079 --> 01:10:12.380
dominated by men. Dominated by men. And then

01:10:12.380 --> 01:10:14.319
girls wouldn't have this amazing opportunity.

01:10:14.960 --> 01:10:17.239
to get scholarships, which they're being denied

01:10:17.239 --> 01:10:19.939
because biological males are winning in their

01:10:19.939 --> 01:10:22.399
category because they allow them to compete.

01:10:22.720 --> 01:10:24.640
And there's a thing called, this is what people

01:10:24.640 --> 01:10:26.960
don't want to believe, but it's true. It always

01:10:26.960 --> 01:10:30.739
has existed. No, they're doing this because they

01:10:30.739 --> 01:10:33.640
really are a woman. There's a thing called sandbagging,

01:10:33.659 --> 01:10:37.220
okay? And sandbagging has always existed. Sandbagging

01:10:37.220 --> 01:10:39.300
is, let's say that you're going to enter into

01:10:39.300 --> 01:10:42.720
a jujitsu tournament and you're going into the

01:10:42.720 --> 01:10:44.729
purple belt division. But you've been a purple

01:10:44.729 --> 01:10:46.729
belt for eight years and you're supposed to be

01:10:46.729 --> 01:10:49.130
a brown belt. And they, you know, for whatever

01:10:49.130 --> 01:10:52.710
reason you or you could even here's a worse one.

01:10:52.970 --> 01:10:55.909
Maybe you're a black belt in judo, like an elite

01:10:55.909 --> 01:10:58.649
black belt, and you enter into a jujitsu tournament

01:10:58.649 --> 01:11:01.520
in the white belt division. And you're in there

01:11:01.520 --> 01:11:03.460
with some fucking dork who's a plumber who's

01:11:03.460 --> 01:11:05.119
just started taking classes. I think it would

01:11:05.119 --> 01:11:07.460
be fun to compete. And you fucking flip him on

01:11:07.460 --> 01:11:09.880
his head and break his arm in an arm bar in like

01:11:09.880 --> 01:11:12.819
15 seconds. Like, that's sandbagging. Because

01:11:12.819 --> 01:11:16.060
you're an elite athlete. You're like a world

01:11:16.060 --> 01:11:18.560
-class judo guy that's just... thought it would

01:11:18.560 --> 01:11:21.859
be fun to put a white belt on and enter into

01:11:21.859 --> 01:11:23.699
a jiu -jitsu tournament. There's people that

01:11:23.699 --> 01:11:25.979
do that because they just want to win. That's

01:11:25.979 --> 01:11:28.720
why people cheat at video games. That's why people

01:11:28.720 --> 01:11:30.899
cheat at golf, right? People cheat because they

01:11:30.899 --> 01:11:34.279
want to win. They just want to get that W. And

01:11:34.279 --> 01:11:36.840
there's people that will pretend they're a woman

01:11:36.840 --> 01:11:39.220
to beat up women. And if you don't think that's

01:11:39.220 --> 01:11:42.159
the case, you haven't met enough psychos. Because

01:11:42.159 --> 01:11:44.520
are there people that are in the wrong body?

01:11:44.640 --> 01:11:47.560
I don't know. I'll give them that respect. Give

01:11:47.560 --> 01:11:50.039
them that dignity. Are there also people that

01:11:50.039 --> 01:11:52.199
are out of their fucking mind and want an excuse

01:11:52.199 --> 01:11:54.359
to beat up women and pretend they're a woman

01:11:54.359 --> 01:11:56.560
if you tell them they could wear a dress and

01:11:56.560 --> 01:11:59.300
they could just run past all the ladies and dominate

01:11:59.300 --> 01:12:01.039
them on the field? Yeah, they're going to do

01:12:01.039 --> 01:12:04.079
that too. That's a real type of human being.

01:12:04.220 --> 01:12:06.119
And if you don't have an accurate test for that,

01:12:06.220 --> 01:12:07.899
if you don't have a thing you make them lick,

01:12:08.020 --> 01:12:10.199
oh, you're a fucking psycho. If you don't have

01:12:10.199 --> 01:12:13.699
that, then you have to judge each individual

01:12:13.699 --> 01:12:16.880
situation. based entirely on why would someone

01:12:16.880 --> 01:12:19.239
do this? How much crossover would that be? If

01:12:19.239 --> 01:12:24.199
somebody was a black belt in judo, how much crossover

01:12:24.199 --> 01:12:27.600
is there to - An immense amount. Yeah. An immense,

01:12:27.920 --> 01:12:30.420
an immense, immense, immense, immense, immense

01:12:30.420 --> 01:12:33.659
amount, especially if it's a gi tournament. Oh

01:12:33.659 --> 01:12:37.359
my God, you're virtually helpless. Helpless.

01:12:37.579 --> 01:12:39.880
Even though judo is primarily done on the feet?

01:12:40.119 --> 01:12:43.939
It is, but they do arm bars. They do. Look at

01:12:43.939 --> 01:12:46.359
Ronda Rousey. She has one of the best arm bars

01:12:46.359 --> 01:12:49.079
in the history of the sport. Look at Kayla Harrison.

01:12:49.260 --> 01:12:50.939
Look at all these judo. Look at Carl Parisian.

01:12:51.180 --> 01:12:54.340
There's elite judo people that were wizards at

01:12:54.340 --> 01:12:58.000
arm bars, wizards at chokes and leg locks. And,

01:12:58.060 --> 01:13:01.199
of course, they're submitting each other as well.

01:13:01.420 --> 01:13:04.960
It's not exactly the same. And if they went,

01:13:04.960 --> 01:13:09.079
like, gi to gi. with, you know, some prime Leo

01:13:09.079 --> 01:13:13.739
Vieira, black belt, you know, G Master, you know,

01:13:13.739 --> 01:13:17.590
what a... you likely would give the jiu -jitsu

01:13:17.590 --> 01:13:20.409
person a giant advantage because they'd spend

01:13:20.409 --> 01:13:22.750
way more time submitting people. They'd spend

01:13:22.750 --> 01:13:25.569
way more time working on submissions. So judo

01:13:25.569 --> 01:13:28.350
to jiu -jitsu in a tournament, I would say, black

01:13:28.350 --> 01:13:30.510
belt to black belt, they probably have a disadvantage

01:13:30.510 --> 01:13:34.909
in judo. But a huge advantage over a white belt.

01:13:35.109 --> 01:13:36.930
What do you think about Jake Paul Anthony Joshua?

01:13:38.189 --> 01:13:47.619
Boy. Well. But realistically, it's one of the

01:13:47.619 --> 01:13:50.579
craziest propositions of all time. You take a

01:13:50.579 --> 01:13:54.060
guy who just had a boxing match that looks like

01:13:54.060 --> 01:13:56.720
a sparring match with a 58 -year -old Mike Tyson,

01:13:56.840 --> 01:14:01.319
and then you're going to fight one of the absolute

01:14:01.319 --> 01:14:04.159
scariest knockout artists in the heavyweight

01:14:04.159 --> 01:14:07.800
division. Maybe we should watch the Francis Ngannou

01:14:07.800 --> 01:14:10.739
fight. Let's watch that real quick. Just so you

01:14:10.739 --> 01:14:13.470
can see what Anthony Joshua is capable of. if

01:14:13.470 --> 01:14:15.810
he's fighting someone that's not in his league.

01:14:16.430 --> 01:14:20.550
Okay, look, Usyk beat him, and he beat him twice,

01:14:20.649 --> 01:14:24.350
and Andy Ruiz caught him in the first fight and

01:14:24.350 --> 01:14:26.770
dropped him and stopped him. It was spectacular.

01:14:27.229 --> 01:14:30.250
Andy Ruiz is super fucking talented. Usyk is

01:14:30.250 --> 01:14:32.409
perhaps the greatest heavyweight boxer of all

01:14:32.409 --> 01:14:36.470
time. Maybe one of the greatest of all time in

01:14:36.470 --> 01:14:39.630
any weight class, Usyk. And Usyk beat him, and

01:14:39.630 --> 01:14:45.000
he beat him twice. Francis Ngannou is coming

01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:47.380
off of this fight with, like, go a little bit

01:14:47.380 --> 01:14:49.920
before that so we can see this happen. Watch

01:14:49.920 --> 01:14:53.720
this. So he drops him with a right hand early.

01:14:54.260 --> 01:14:57.140
And this is, like, two minutes into the first

01:14:57.140 --> 01:15:02.699
round. And Francis gets up. He survives. And

01:15:02.699 --> 01:15:08.079
then Joshua, check out this combination he hits

01:15:08.079 --> 01:15:13.260
him with. I mean, dude, the speed that he hits

01:15:13.260 --> 01:15:19.420
him with this, he's so dangerous, man. It's like

01:15:19.420 --> 01:15:21.680
you're dealing with a guy who's an Olympic gold

01:15:21.680 --> 01:15:25.500
medalist, and he's enormous, and he's got vicious

01:15:25.500 --> 01:15:28.600
knockout power, and he's got immense amount of

01:15:28.600 --> 01:15:31.159
experience at world -class levels. Just think

01:15:31.159 --> 01:15:33.239
about what we said earlier. Fought Usyk twice.

01:15:33.319 --> 01:15:42.340
Fought Andy Ruiz twice. Bro, the timing in that

01:15:42.340 --> 01:15:45.699
right hand, just spectacular. That's a stepping

01:15:45.699 --> 01:15:48.539
in as well. Over the top. I mean, that was a

01:15:48.539 --> 01:15:51.859
full four shot to the temple. I mean, he's, he's

01:15:51.859 --> 01:15:55.199
fucksville right now. So they wipe off his gloves,

01:15:55.300 --> 01:15:59.000
but you look at him like he's, he's really feeling

01:15:59.000 --> 01:16:01.180
it right now. I mean, he probably has no idea

01:16:01.180 --> 01:16:04.359
where he is. And Anthony Joshua. Oh my God. Absolutely

01:16:04.359 --> 01:16:06.479
folded in half. Watch the back that up again.

01:16:06.539 --> 01:16:10.250
Watch this. I mean, just steps into it with every

01:16:10.250 --> 01:16:16.289
ounce of his body. Perfect right hand. So the

01:16:16.289 --> 01:16:17.890
fact that Jake Paul wants to fight that guy.

01:16:18.270 --> 01:16:22.829
Hey, I'll watch. I'm going to watch. I'm definitely

01:16:22.829 --> 01:16:25.569
going to watch. So you got me there. And if you

01:16:25.569 --> 01:16:29.289
want to show you're legit by taking on one of

01:16:29.289 --> 01:16:31.189
the scariest fucking heavyweights alive. Can

01:16:31.189 --> 01:16:34.350
you get the tail of the tape of the. Paul and

01:16:34.350 --> 01:16:37.729
Joshua? They got him to weigh a greater of 245.

01:16:37.770 --> 01:16:39.729
That's only like seven pounds less. Yeah, that's

01:16:39.729 --> 01:16:42.010
nothing. And there's some sort of a rehydration

01:16:42.010 --> 01:16:43.989
clause. Listen, kids, it ain't going to matter.

01:16:44.710 --> 01:16:47.189
There's not a chance that Anthony Joshua is not

01:16:47.189 --> 01:16:50.029
going to just lose the weight beforehand. He's

01:16:50.029 --> 01:16:51.630
not going to come in drained. What he's going

01:16:51.630 --> 01:16:54.029
to do is just do extra cardio, and that's just

01:16:54.029 --> 01:16:56.409
going to make him more dangerous. He's going

01:16:56.409 --> 01:16:58.529
to be terrifying, and he's going to have a lot

01:16:58.529 --> 01:17:00.609
to prove. He's going to be very angry that Jake

01:17:00.609 --> 01:17:03.630
Paul wants to fight him. Very upset that this

01:17:03.630 --> 01:17:07.069
YouTuber who's fought Tommy Fury, who's a legit

01:17:07.069 --> 01:17:09.529
boxer, and, you know, a couple other guys that

01:17:09.529 --> 01:17:11.670
were legit boxers. That's it. Like, everyone

01:17:11.670 --> 01:17:14.130
else he's fought, he's fought Ben Askren, who's

01:17:14.130 --> 01:17:16.369
really a wrestler. You know, he fought Tyron

01:17:16.369 --> 01:17:18.890
Woodley, who's an elite MMA fighter, but, you

01:17:18.890 --> 01:17:21.810
know, not an elite boxer. He fought Nate Robinson,

01:17:21.989 --> 01:17:24.350
who was a basketball player. He fought Anderson

01:17:24.350 --> 01:17:26.369
Silva, and he dropped Anderson Silva, and Anderson

01:17:26.369 --> 01:17:29.109
Silva's a really good striker. But also in his

01:17:29.109 --> 01:17:32.210
40s, you know, different time. It's, you know,

01:17:32.210 --> 01:17:35.890
not the same guy he used to be. This is a 34

01:17:35.890 --> 01:17:38.149
-year -old Anthony Joshua. This is a terrifying

01:17:38.149 --> 01:17:41.729
human being. Terrifying. Again, a guy who survived

01:17:41.729 --> 01:17:44.670
Usyk twice. You know, you saw what Usyk did to

01:17:44.670 --> 01:17:47.729
Dubois. You see Usyk take out Dubois. Did you

01:17:47.729 --> 01:17:49.569
see that? I mean, that's the Usyk you're talking

01:17:49.569 --> 01:17:52.430
about. There's an Usyk that rocked Tyson Fury,

01:17:52.670 --> 01:17:57.350
who's fucking 6 '9". So Jake Paul's 6 '1". This

01:17:57.350 --> 01:18:00.250
is 6 '6", Anthony Joshua. Jake weighed in for

01:18:00.250 --> 01:18:04.250
the Tyson fight at 199. Joshua against Ngannou

01:18:04.250 --> 01:18:09.409
was 252. 6 '6". Not just 6 '6", but 6 '6", and

01:18:09.409 --> 01:18:12.989
knows how to use every fucking inch of it. Knows

01:18:12.989 --> 01:18:15.470
how to keep that stick in your face. He'll keep

01:18:15.470 --> 01:18:17.909
that jab in his face, and that right hand, if

01:18:17.909 --> 01:18:22.520
it hits you, you're fucked. And he's... not worried

01:18:22.520 --> 01:18:24.579
about you the way he's worried about Usyk. You

01:18:24.579 --> 01:18:27.300
can't move like Usyk. You can't constantly be

01:18:27.300 --> 01:18:30.020
frustrating and overloading his nervous system.

01:18:30.399 --> 01:18:34.000
Usyk is overloading every aspect of your senses

01:18:34.000 --> 01:18:37.000
at every moment. He's constantly moving and then

01:18:37.000 --> 01:18:39.039
punches are coming and he loops punches around

01:18:39.039 --> 01:18:41.859
your guard and he's constantly shifting his feet

01:18:41.859 --> 01:18:43.460
and you think he's going to be there and he's

01:18:43.460 --> 01:18:47.159
over here. And it's like this overload of thinking.

01:18:47.420 --> 01:18:50.920
It's not a casual, relaxed fight where you...

01:18:50.920 --> 01:18:52.779
You can kind of move around and get your groove,

01:18:52.960 --> 01:18:55.239
and he's going to stay on the outside. No, it's

01:18:55.239 --> 01:18:58.500
just constant. He survived that guy twice. He

01:18:58.500 --> 01:19:01.500
survived, in my opinion, the most skillful heavyweight

01:19:01.500 --> 01:19:04.460
of all time twice. And you're going to go boxing?

01:19:05.319 --> 01:19:07.619
And the toughest guy you've fought before was

01:19:07.619 --> 01:19:09.619
40 -years -old Anderson Silva? Those are the

01:19:09.619 --> 01:19:11.880
toughest guys so far you've fought? You've lost

01:19:11.880 --> 01:19:14.659
to Tommy Fury, who's a very good boxer. But this

01:19:14.659 --> 01:19:18.539
is a— giant Olympic gold medalist heavyweight.

01:19:18.760 --> 01:19:20.899
I mean, Anthony Joshua is fucking terrifying.

01:19:20.899 --> 01:19:22.340
Here's the thing that nightmares are made of.

01:19:22.399 --> 01:19:25.840
And he's got that one -punch nuclear power. One

01:19:25.840 --> 01:19:29.720
punch. And he's fast. It's an explosion. There's

01:19:29.720 --> 01:19:34.220
certain guys... That like in kickboxing couldn't

01:19:34.220 --> 01:19:36.539
translate over to MMA because they didn't have

01:19:36.539 --> 01:19:39.420
the kind of speed. Like Peter Aerts is a good

01:19:39.420 --> 01:19:42.939
example. He was a world class kickboxer, one

01:19:42.939 --> 01:19:45.500
of the best of all time, but didn't have the

01:19:45.500 --> 01:19:47.899
style that would allow him to train. But then

01:19:47.899 --> 01:19:51.039
there was Mirko Krokop. Mirko Krokop, who was

01:19:51.039 --> 01:19:54.119
violently explosive, would perfectly transition

01:19:54.119 --> 01:19:56.159
to MMA because you got to be able to hit people

01:19:56.159 --> 01:19:58.600
quick. It was like a big part of it is speed.

01:19:59.279 --> 01:20:03.319
Anthony Joshua. has that kind of speed. With

01:20:03.319 --> 01:20:06.000
252 pounds behind him. If you don't have the

01:20:06.000 --> 01:20:08.880
skill to get away from that kind of power, what

01:20:08.880 --> 01:20:11.159
happens is Francis Ngannou and Anthony Joshua.

01:20:11.619 --> 01:20:14.779
You have to be a very... You can't judge that

01:20:14.779 --> 01:20:17.359
guy based on Dubois, who's a fucking murderer.

01:20:17.739 --> 01:20:20.680
Daniel Dubois is a tank, and he took out Joshua.

01:20:20.760 --> 01:20:22.939
But that guy's fucking terrifying. You're staring

01:20:22.939 --> 01:20:25.239
in front of that guy, but Usyk didn't stand in

01:20:25.239 --> 01:20:27.060
front of him. Usyk moved all over the place.

01:20:27.920 --> 01:20:30.560
Joshua is, and he's going to have a lot to prove.

01:20:30.659 --> 01:20:32.520
He's going to be very angry. Do you think they'll

01:20:32.520 --> 01:20:34.560
let everybody take the brakes off because there's

01:20:34.560 --> 01:20:38.060
all rumors about Tyson versus Jake that both

01:20:38.060 --> 01:20:40.359
of them were sort of pulling punches and not

01:20:40.359 --> 01:20:42.640
fully letting it go? I think that's a different

01:20:42.640 --> 01:20:45.329
deal. Do you think there was something probably

01:20:45.329 --> 01:20:48.270
just below the table? I do not know. I do not

01:20:48.270 --> 01:20:50.770
know if it was said. I do not know if it was

01:20:50.770 --> 01:20:53.109
understood. I do not know. In your professional

01:20:53.109 --> 01:20:54.890
opinion, based on what you saw, do you think

01:20:54.890 --> 01:20:56.710
that the people were holding back? It definitely

01:20:56.710 --> 01:21:00.890
looked like sparring. But it could be that he

01:21:00.890 --> 01:21:03.149
didn't want to hurt Mike Tyson because Mike Tyson's

01:21:03.149 --> 01:21:05.470
58 years old. Or it could be that Mike Tyson

01:21:05.470 --> 01:21:07.189
didn't want to hurt him because he likes him.

01:21:07.270 --> 01:21:11.069
I don't fucking know. But it wasn't what I was

01:21:11.069 --> 01:21:13.369
tuning in for. It was not for me. I was there.

01:21:13.470 --> 01:21:15.510
I went to it live. I was tuning in for Mike Tyson

01:21:15.510 --> 01:21:20.109
coming full 1988 Mike Tyson, full chaos. That's

01:21:20.109 --> 01:21:22.189
what I was hoping for. We walked out like that.

01:21:22.449 --> 01:21:24.529
It looked like it. Yeah, but that's what everybody

01:21:24.529 --> 01:21:26.890
signed up for. So they got us. Whatever. And

01:21:26.890 --> 01:21:29.090
do you think that... This is different. I don't

01:21:29.090 --> 01:21:30.670
think this is that. I don't think this is that

01:21:30.670 --> 01:21:32.970
at all. First of all, it can't be that. Because

01:21:32.970 --> 01:21:35.130
Joshua is still competitive in the heavyweight

01:21:35.130 --> 01:21:37.050
division. And he's only doing this for money.

01:21:37.409 --> 01:21:40.529
He's still set up for world title fights. After

01:21:40.529 --> 01:21:42.609
he knocked out Ngannou, you could still set him

01:21:42.609 --> 01:21:44.329
up. Like Joseph Parker just lost. You could set

01:21:44.329 --> 01:21:46.210
him up with Joseph Parker. You could have...

01:21:46.210 --> 01:21:48.810
Until a year ago, he could fight Deontay Wilder.

01:21:48.869 --> 01:21:51.250
You're saying that the lineage and the trajectory

01:21:51.250 --> 01:21:53.689
that Anthony Joshua is on... if he happens to

01:21:53.689 --> 01:21:55.810
go a little bit too gentle and lose by decision

01:21:55.810 --> 01:21:58.329
to Jake Paul, it doesn't exactly look great for

01:21:58.329 --> 01:22:00.109
his future heavyweight chances. It fucks up all

01:22:00.109 --> 01:22:02.189
of his marketing opportunities. So that's a really...

01:22:02.189 --> 01:22:03.470
So what we were saying before... The Ngannou

01:22:03.470 --> 01:22:05.670
fight is a godsend to him, right? The Ngannou

01:22:05.670 --> 01:22:08.409
fight is like, hey, boxing's back. This guy knocked

01:22:08.409 --> 01:22:10.449
down Tyson Fury. This is how it was supposed

01:22:10.449 --> 01:22:12.729
to go. Anthony Joshua, you carried the torch

01:22:12.729 --> 01:22:14.329
for the boxing community. Because I know a lot

01:22:14.329 --> 01:22:17.550
of straight -up boxers, and they absolutely felt

01:22:17.550 --> 01:22:20.289
that way. This is what needed to happen. These

01:22:20.289 --> 01:22:22.189
guys can't come over from MMA and think they...

01:22:22.189 --> 01:22:23.930
They can box the best. Yeah. You need to put

01:22:23.930 --> 01:22:26.630
them in their place. What's great there, and

01:22:26.630 --> 01:22:28.029
it loops back to what we were talking about before,

01:22:28.109 --> 01:22:30.329
is incentives, incentives, align the incentives.

01:22:30.590 --> 01:22:33.329
Yeah. Like if you've got Joshua's – I mean this

01:22:33.329 --> 01:22:37.729
is – However, I should – Caveat. Yeah. Here's

01:22:37.729 --> 01:22:40.909
the caveat. This might earn him $200 million.

01:22:42.090 --> 01:22:45.229
So if it earns him so much money – Joshua or

01:22:45.229 --> 01:22:48.789
Jake Paul? Joshua. Like either one. How much

01:22:48.789 --> 01:22:51.649
money is involved? $200 million? Oh, dude. This

01:22:51.649 --> 01:22:54.210
is a Saudi organization, right? This is Riyadh

01:22:54.210 --> 01:22:56.430
season, isn't this? That was putting this on?

01:22:56.909 --> 01:22:58.470
Probably. They seem to own everything. I think

01:22:58.470 --> 01:23:01.310
they own me now. And you and Jamie and Carl.

01:23:01.310 --> 01:23:03.689
It's Netflix, right? Right, yeah. This is going

01:23:03.689 --> 01:23:05.670
to be on Netflix. Okay, so I don't know. Maybe

01:23:05.670 --> 01:23:08.229
it's not. maybe in Riyadh season is not involved,

01:23:08.430 --> 01:23:10.810
but the money they threw Canelo Alvarez to get

01:23:10.810 --> 01:23:13.510
him to fight Terrence Crawford, they're throwing

01:23:13.510 --> 01:23:16.409
insane money at people. They're throwing nutty

01:23:16.409 --> 01:23:19.449
sums of cash at people to make amazing fights

01:23:19.449 --> 01:23:22.109
happen. This has always been the hiccup in boxing

01:23:22.109 --> 01:23:23.930
is that people don't want to fight certain people

01:23:23.930 --> 01:23:26.210
because they want to protect their record. The

01:23:26.210 --> 01:23:28.430
Saudis are like, how much? Everybody's got a

01:23:28.430 --> 01:23:29.930
price. Yeah, everyone's got a price. We've got

01:23:29.930 --> 01:23:32.560
the bank account to pay it. So here it is. The

01:23:32.560 --> 01:23:35.199
reported total prize purse for Jake Paul versus

01:23:35.199 --> 01:23:39.119
Anthony Joshua is $184 million. With an even

01:23:39.119 --> 01:23:41.359
split expected, meaning each fighter will earn

01:23:41.359 --> 01:23:44.920
approximately $92 million. Some reports initially

01:23:44.920 --> 01:23:48.079
suggest a different figure. $184 is the most

01:23:48.079 --> 01:23:51.119
frequently cited total from sources like Daily

01:23:51.119 --> 01:23:53.560
Mail and Wikipedia. Okay, that doesn't mean anything.

01:23:54.079 --> 01:23:56.420
Some have also mentioned Jake Paul's cryptic

01:23:56.420 --> 01:23:59.819
$267 million tweet, which may have fueled rumors.

01:24:00.760 --> 01:24:04.140
Listen, it really depends on who's setting it

01:24:04.140 --> 01:24:06.399
up. Netflix doesn't have to tell you how much

01:24:06.399 --> 01:24:09.479
they're paying. But the thing about Anthony Joshua,

01:24:09.619 --> 01:24:12.380
if he loses this, so let's say he's only getting

01:24:12.380 --> 01:24:14.100
the $92 million, which I bet he's getting more.

01:24:14.460 --> 01:24:17.420
Let's say he's getting $92 million. If he loses

01:24:17.420 --> 01:24:20.000
this fight, he misses out on that Saudi money

01:24:20.000 --> 01:24:24.020
because they could set up a Tyson Fury, Anthony

01:24:24.020 --> 01:24:26.789
Joshua fight, and each one of them gets... $200

01:24:26.789 --> 01:24:29.989
million. You can do a fight like that. The Saudis

01:24:29.989 --> 01:24:31.930
can do a fight like that. They can do a fight.

01:24:32.090 --> 01:24:35.489
They have enough resources to throw at boxing

01:24:35.489 --> 01:24:37.630
where they can change the entire landscape of

01:24:37.630 --> 01:24:40.539
boxing. If you were the guy that stands in between

01:24:40.539 --> 01:24:44.539
6 '6", 250 -pound Anthony Joshua and $200 million,

01:24:44.939 --> 01:24:50.399
I'm sorry. I don't think he's going to lose to

01:24:50.399 --> 01:24:52.960
you on purpose. I don't want to be that guy.

01:24:53.220 --> 01:24:54.939
But I'm not saying that anybody lost to anybody

01:24:54.939 --> 01:24:57.159
on purpose. I don't think that's happened. But

01:24:57.159 --> 01:25:01.079
what I do think is that people take it easier

01:25:01.079 --> 01:25:03.800
on people if they like them, and it looked like

01:25:03.800 --> 01:25:05.340
they were taking it easier on each other than

01:25:05.340 --> 01:25:07.590
you'd expect. I'll just say that. It's just my

01:25:07.590 --> 01:25:09.930
personal opinion. I don't think that's going

01:25:09.930 --> 01:25:11.750
to happen with this fight. I don't think there's

01:25:11.750 --> 01:25:14.090
any chance in the world. Knowing what Anthony

01:25:14.090 --> 01:25:16.689
Joshua is a specialist at, he's a specialist

01:25:16.689 --> 01:25:19.510
at putting knuckles through your fucking brain.

01:25:19.890 --> 01:25:22.310
And that's what he's going to try to do to Jake

01:25:22.310 --> 01:25:25.250
Paul. And anything other than that from a 34

01:25:25.250 --> 01:25:27.489
-year -old Anthony Joshua will make us all think

01:25:27.489 --> 01:25:30.930
it's a fixed fight. Whether or not Joshua can

01:25:30.930 --> 01:25:33.789
do it, whether or not... Jake Paul shocks the

01:25:33.789 --> 01:25:35.890
world and shows us that he really does know how

01:25:35.890 --> 01:25:37.869
to box really well and moves really good and

01:25:37.869 --> 01:25:41.449
uses his jab and blows us all away with a strategy

01:25:41.449 --> 01:25:43.550
and a lot of footwork and movement and brings

01:25:43.550 --> 01:25:47.210
Usyk into his camp. Or Lomachenko's dad, even

01:25:47.210 --> 01:25:50.390
better, who's the guy who trained Usyk. He trained

01:25:50.390 --> 01:25:53.279
Usyk as well. Lomachenko's father. That's why

01:25:53.279 --> 01:25:55.800
they both are the best moving fighters in this

01:25:55.800 --> 01:25:59.539
generation, by far. By far. They're in a group

01:25:59.539 --> 01:26:01.760
of the greatest of all time, like Willie Pepp

01:26:01.760 --> 01:26:03.760
and Pernell Whitaker. There's a group of defensive

01:26:03.760 --> 01:26:07.399
wizards that exist today. They're in that group.

01:26:07.520 --> 01:26:10.079
And two of them that exist in that group are

01:26:10.079 --> 01:26:13.659
trained by the same guy. Lomachenko and Usyk.

01:26:14.760 --> 01:26:17.109
I don't want to be Jake Paul. Yeah, fuck that.

01:26:17.149 --> 01:26:20.010
I do not want to be. What better way to show

01:26:20.010 --> 01:26:22.050
the world you're legit? Go get knocked out by

01:26:22.050 --> 01:26:24.550
Olympic gold medalist, former world heavyweight

01:26:24.550 --> 01:26:28.930
champion, 6 '6", 250 pounds. Yeah. Show the world

01:26:28.930 --> 01:26:31.050
you're ready to win it. You're definitely not

01:26:31.050 --> 01:26:32.909
fucking about. I had this guy on my podcast,

01:26:33.069 --> 01:26:36.909
Bugsy Malone. He's a British grime artist. What's

01:26:36.909 --> 01:26:41.489
a grime artist? Like drill, rap. Oh, okay. Did

01:26:41.489 --> 01:26:44.340
you know what that means? You did? Keep up with

01:26:44.340 --> 01:26:47.100
the times. I can't. It's too late. I missed it.

01:26:47.159 --> 01:26:49.159
I missed everything. He grows up in the north

01:26:49.159 --> 01:26:54.579
of the UK in gangs, Manchester. And he's in juvenile

01:26:54.579 --> 01:26:57.039
detention as a teenager. He gets stabbed with

01:26:57.039 --> 01:26:59.239
a screwdriver, like rough stuff, rough, rough

01:26:59.239 --> 01:27:02.359
northern stuff. But some part of his upbringing

01:27:02.359 --> 01:27:05.770
just sort of really compels him to try and. bring

01:27:05.770 --> 01:27:07.970
himself out of this situation starts making music

01:27:07.970 --> 01:27:10.369
gets super successful does this fire in the booth

01:27:10.369 --> 01:27:12.310
with charlie sloth that gets like 35 million

01:27:12.310 --> 01:27:15.050
plays and he starts boxing boxing is like one

01:27:15.050 --> 01:27:18.890
of his um salvagers it's one of his safe havens

01:27:18.890 --> 01:27:20.569
and it's the thing one of the things that's kept

01:27:20.569 --> 01:27:21.989
him very disciplined throughout his whole life

01:27:21.989 --> 01:27:24.930
he starts accumulating some money he buys a nice

01:27:24.930 --> 01:27:27.729
house in manchester very very nice house and

01:27:27.729 --> 01:27:30.819
the local kids nearby sort of Starting to take

01:27:30.819 --> 01:27:32.380
a little bit of notice. Maybe they know who he

01:27:32.380 --> 01:27:34.560
is as an artist. And word starts to get around

01:27:34.560 --> 01:27:37.380
that he's living there. There'd been some concerns,

01:27:37.439 --> 01:27:39.939
some security concerns for a little while. And

01:27:39.939 --> 01:27:42.399
he gets a phone call from his girlfriend at the

01:27:42.399 --> 01:27:45.220
time. She says, there's some men here. They're

01:27:45.220 --> 01:27:47.000
trying to break in and they're in a van. And

01:27:47.000 --> 01:27:50.020
as she's on the phone, he hears the glass shatter

01:27:50.020 --> 01:27:52.479
of this house. His mum's in the house and his

01:27:52.479 --> 01:27:54.460
girlfriend at the time is in the house. He's

01:27:54.460 --> 01:27:55.800
driving around. He's got his sister in the car.

01:27:55.939 --> 01:27:59.350
So he drives back in the car. This is a guy who's

01:27:59.350 --> 01:28:01.609
world famous as a rapper. This would be like

01:28:01.609 --> 01:28:04.010
it happening to the British 50 Cent or the British

01:28:04.010 --> 01:28:07.170
Jay -Z or P. Diddy or something like that. Drives

01:28:07.170 --> 01:28:09.189
back, getting down the driveway toward this house.

01:28:09.289 --> 01:28:11.090
There's a blockade. There's boulders that have

01:28:11.090 --> 01:28:12.550
been laid out in front. So he knows that there's

01:28:12.550 --> 01:28:14.350
going to be an ambush of some kind. And he sees

01:28:14.350 --> 01:28:17.449
this guy in the bushes on the right with a brick.

01:28:17.689 --> 01:28:19.489
This guy's hiding in the bushes waiting. And

01:28:19.489 --> 01:28:20.489
he thinks he's going to throw it through the

01:28:20.489 --> 01:28:21.829
window, but he doesn't. He wants to hit him with

01:28:21.829 --> 01:28:25.130
the brick. Bugsy stops the car, opens the door,

01:28:25.170 --> 01:28:27.810
and immediately he's massively into Jordan Peterson,

01:28:28.010 --> 01:28:29.750
personal development, self -growth. It's like

01:28:29.750 --> 01:28:33.270
an odd blend of rough upbringing, self -discipline,

01:28:33.270 --> 01:28:35.569
and sort of transcendent personal growth. And

01:28:35.569 --> 01:28:37.050
he gets out of the car and points at the guy,

01:28:37.069 --> 01:28:38.989
and he goes, no way is that you. Is that a blue

01:28:38.989 --> 01:28:42.130
T -shirt? And the guy's like, what? And as he's

01:28:42.130 --> 01:28:43.550
doing it, because he's been training so much,

01:28:43.590 --> 01:28:45.050
he's coming toward him, distracting him. The

01:28:45.050 --> 01:28:46.550
same way as I go, what's on that T -shirt there?

01:28:46.930 --> 01:28:50.130
Immediately you go, and before he knew it, Bugsy's

01:28:50.130 --> 01:28:52.600
hit him. spun him around, bricks falling out

01:28:52.600 --> 01:28:54.220
of his hand because this guy hasn't set his feet

01:28:54.220 --> 01:28:56.020
in time. It's the problem of having a big weapon.

01:28:56.539 --> 01:28:58.359
Bugsy said, like, you need to set yourself and

01:28:58.359 --> 01:29:00.060
you need to be able to throw it. Like, it's good

01:29:00.060 --> 01:29:02.119
because it can hurt someone, but it's slow and

01:29:02.119 --> 01:29:03.939
it's cumbersome and you can't move as fast. And

01:29:03.939 --> 01:29:06.479
he's training every day, every single day, no

01:29:06.479 --> 01:29:08.079
matter whether he's rapping, he's on tour, he's

01:29:08.079 --> 01:29:09.500
training and he's boxing and he's fighting and

01:29:09.500 --> 01:29:11.520
he's sharp. He knows his distance. Hits this

01:29:11.520 --> 01:29:14.659
guy, they have a scrap. Bugsy wins, moves the

01:29:14.659 --> 01:29:16.569
stuff out of the way. Gets back in the car, drives

01:29:16.569 --> 01:29:20.909
in. Jamie, can you just CCTV search? Search Bugsy

01:29:20.909 --> 01:29:24.050
Malone CCTV. So there's footage from his house

01:29:24.050 --> 01:29:30.710
of when he pulls up in the Mercedes. And so go

01:29:30.710 --> 01:29:33.390
back, back, back a little bit. Yeah, just to

01:29:33.390 --> 01:29:36.810
the start. So this is him pulling in, in his

01:29:36.810 --> 01:29:39.130
car, having just beaten someone up. This is a

01:29:39.130 --> 01:29:41.670
van filled with guys. Gets out of the car, pulls

01:29:41.670 --> 01:29:47.960
his top off. and then sprints to go and get the

01:29:47.960 --> 01:29:50.659
rest of the guys that are waiting outside. That

01:29:50.659 --> 01:29:53.800
is not the behavior of a dude who gives a single

01:29:53.800 --> 01:29:57.039
fuck. This is the British Jay -Z ripping his

01:29:57.039 --> 01:29:59.039
top off and then sprinting out to try and chase

01:29:59.039 --> 01:30:01.140
people away. And the real kicker of it, there

01:30:01.140 --> 01:30:02.739
was like tons of guys, not in that van, but in

01:30:02.739 --> 01:30:05.100
some other van behind. The real kicker was the

01:30:05.100 --> 01:30:09.739
dudes that he fought, they pressed charges. They

01:30:09.739 --> 01:30:12.439
pressed charges against him. Because he's rich.

01:30:12.970 --> 01:30:14.630
They pressed charges because he fucked him up.

01:30:17.329 --> 01:30:21.170
And then at the... Oh, they pressed charges.

01:30:21.350 --> 01:30:22.810
They pressed charges against him. Did they actually

01:30:22.810 --> 01:30:25.569
wind up going to court over this? Yeah, yeah,

01:30:25.630 --> 01:30:27.930
yeah, yeah. No. Yep, went to court. And this

01:30:27.930 --> 01:30:29.789
is, it was so brilliant. He told this story to

01:30:29.789 --> 01:30:33.770
me. And he said, it was the middle of COVID and

01:30:33.770 --> 01:30:35.229
people weren't sure whether venues were going

01:30:35.229 --> 01:30:37.069
to be open. And he had this tour. This tour was

01:30:37.069 --> 01:30:39.750
going on, but it wasn't selling. as well no tours

01:30:39.750 --> 01:30:41.649
were selling as well as he would have liked so

01:30:41.649 --> 01:30:44.569
he spoke to his lawyer before his lawyer went

01:30:44.569 --> 01:30:46.289
to go and do the not guilty verdict and they

01:30:46.289 --> 01:30:48.470
had two statements that were ready he came out

01:30:48.470 --> 01:30:51.189
he said very pleased to say that Aaron Davies

01:30:51.189 --> 01:30:54.210
has been acquitted today he's not been found

01:30:54.210 --> 01:30:57.029
guilty he is now getting back to preparing for

01:30:57.029 --> 01:30:58.970
his upcoming tour and tickets are available now

01:31:05.340 --> 01:31:08.699
His lawyer did a mid -roll ad read for his tour

01:31:08.699 --> 01:31:11.079
as part of his not guilty verdict, having just

01:31:11.079 --> 01:31:14.300
beaten up a van filled with blokes, one of whom

01:31:14.300 --> 01:31:16.199
looked like a plumber. It was your plumber comment

01:31:16.199 --> 01:31:18.119
that got me thinking about it. Just some white

01:31:18.119 --> 01:31:21.079
belt, some guy that thinks he's a bit hard. He's

01:31:21.079 --> 01:31:22.399
had a little bit of a thrower, and this guy's

01:31:22.399 --> 01:31:24.920
training every single day, sharpening his skills,

01:31:25.020 --> 01:31:26.739
and he's been doing it since he was a kid. That's

01:31:26.739 --> 01:31:28.640
hilarious. He's dangerous, and he's nasty. It's

01:31:28.640 --> 01:31:30.939
wonderful when a story like that works out. In

01:31:30.939 --> 01:31:34.409
America, people have guns. It's different. Different

01:31:34.409 --> 01:31:37.189
sport. Have you looked at appropriate force in

01:31:37.189 --> 01:31:39.310
the UK? Do you know what that is? The use of

01:31:39.310 --> 01:31:42.729
appropriate force? There's a lot of that in America

01:31:42.729 --> 01:31:45.210
as well. Okay. Depending state by state. They

01:31:45.210 --> 01:31:48.810
have different standards that different states

01:31:48.810 --> 01:31:50.810
impose. Like Florida has stand your ground. Florida,

01:31:50.869 --> 01:31:54.810
you just get away with killing people. California,

01:31:55.069 --> 01:31:56.569
it's very different. They were actually trying

01:31:56.569 --> 01:31:58.329
to pass a thing in California saying it's your

01:31:58.329 --> 01:32:00.649
obligation to leave your house if someone breaks

01:32:00.649 --> 01:32:02.550
into it. I don't know if that got through. It's

01:32:02.550 --> 01:32:05.140
their house now. It's your obligation to not

01:32:05.140 --> 01:32:08.739
shoot them, that you can't harm them because

01:32:08.739 --> 01:32:10.279
they're just trying to steal something. They're

01:32:10.279 --> 01:32:13.039
not trying to harm you. Like the assumption should

01:32:13.039 --> 01:32:14.979
be that they're not trying to harm you. Exactly.

01:32:15.680 --> 01:32:17.560
I've had this conversation with people on the

01:32:17.560 --> 01:32:20.159
podcast, actually with Tommy Chong. It was a

01:32:20.159 --> 01:32:24.760
mind -numbing conversation that you should not

01:32:24.760 --> 01:32:27.479
think of this person as trying to attack you,

01:32:27.539 --> 01:32:30.479
that their life is not less valuable than yours.

01:32:31.100 --> 01:32:33.300
It's just as valuable as your life. You shouldn't

01:32:33.300 --> 01:32:34.600
take their life. Despite the fact that they're

01:32:34.600 --> 01:32:39.279
on your property. Despite the fact that, I can't

01:32:39.279 --> 01:32:41.039
talk, despite the fact rather that historically

01:32:41.039 --> 01:32:43.100
a lot of people have broken into people's houses

01:32:43.100 --> 01:32:44.779
and killed them. It's happened over and over

01:32:44.779 --> 01:32:46.300
and over again. You're just assuming that this

01:32:46.300 --> 01:32:48.039
time is going to be different because they just

01:32:48.039 --> 01:32:50.199
want your watch or whatever. Like, fuck off.

01:32:50.979 --> 01:32:53.260
That's a dumb way to live. You have to be able

01:32:53.260 --> 01:32:55.300
to protect yourself. There's crazy people. That's

01:32:55.300 --> 01:32:58.770
a real thing. Yeah, I think the... appropriate

01:32:58.770 --> 01:33:00.789
force thing becomes interesting in the UK where

01:33:00.789 --> 01:33:04.609
you don't have as many guns because there's more

01:33:04.609 --> 01:33:08.329
levels of weapon in between nothing, just hands.

01:33:08.590 --> 01:33:10.729
Baseball bat and samurai sword. Yeah, this guy's

01:33:10.729 --> 01:33:12.949
got a brick, so you're allowed a brick. But if

01:33:12.949 --> 01:33:15.529
you bring a gun to a knife fight, that's not

01:33:15.529 --> 01:33:18.170
appropriate force. Oh. You know what I mean?

01:33:18.329 --> 01:33:21.170
He only had a knife. Yes. You cheated. It's like,

01:33:21.229 --> 01:33:23.970
I don't know, it's very gentlemanly. Oh, God.

01:33:25.590 --> 01:33:28.369
So stupid. Well, the UK's got, like, some odd

01:33:28.369 --> 01:33:32.770
archaic laws. Like, the distance between the

01:33:32.770 --> 01:33:35.329
front benches in the House of Commons is the

01:33:35.329 --> 01:33:37.489
same as two broadswords held out at arm's length.

01:33:39.149 --> 01:33:42.350
Which is just so funny. Well, that's also why

01:33:42.350 --> 01:33:43.829
you guys drive on the other side of the road,

01:33:43.890 --> 01:33:46.170
right? Why? I think you drive on the left side

01:33:46.170 --> 01:33:47.569
of the road so you can use your right arm to

01:33:47.569 --> 01:33:50.550
slash each other. No way. Yeah, I believe that's

01:33:50.550 --> 01:33:52.850
what it is. What, in case you were jousting in

01:33:52.850 --> 01:33:56.010
a vehicle? If you're on a horse or if you're

01:33:56.010 --> 01:33:58.489
in a car, you want to be able to get them on

01:33:58.489 --> 01:34:02.449
that side. That's the strong side. Someone told

01:34:02.449 --> 01:34:04.210
me that when I was over there. I hope I'm not

01:34:04.210 --> 01:34:06.710
incorrect. I like it as a story. Whether it's

01:34:06.710 --> 01:34:08.789
right or wrong, I don't care. There's a reason

01:34:08.789 --> 01:34:11.250
that women's shirts button from the left and

01:34:11.250 --> 01:34:12.529
not the right. Have you ever accidentally put

01:34:12.529 --> 01:34:15.270
your wife's hoodie on instead? It goes in the...

01:34:16.190 --> 01:34:18.189
Middle Ages, you knew you were going to meet

01:34:18.189 --> 01:34:19.949
when traveling on horseback. Most people are

01:34:19.949 --> 01:34:21.649
right -handed, so if a stranger passed to the

01:34:21.649 --> 01:34:23.430
right of you, your right hand would be free to

01:34:23.430 --> 01:34:25.689
use your sword if required. Yeah, that's why

01:34:25.689 --> 01:34:27.189
you guys do it with your cars. Well, this is

01:34:27.189 --> 01:34:29.470
the problem. If you don't have a medieval country

01:34:29.470 --> 01:34:31.529
like ours, you end up driving on the other side

01:34:31.529 --> 01:34:34.750
of the road. But yeah, so women's shirts, if

01:34:34.750 --> 01:34:36.489
you've ever accidentally put your wife's hoodie

01:34:36.489 --> 01:34:38.789
on or something, zipped it up, women's shirts

01:34:38.789 --> 01:34:41.350
button from the other side. They button from

01:34:41.350 --> 01:34:43.779
the left, not the right. The reason for that

01:34:43.779 --> 01:34:45.699
is that when buttons were first introduced in

01:34:45.699 --> 01:34:48.899
the 1700s, they were mostly for the aristocracy,

01:34:49.000 --> 01:34:52.220
and the aristocratic women were dressed by mostly

01:34:52.220 --> 01:34:55.579
right -handed servants. Whoa. So they dressed

01:34:55.579 --> 01:34:59.000
them this way. So the women's shirts, button...

01:34:59.000 --> 01:35:01.779
Still to this day? Same thing. Dude, I promise

01:35:01.779 --> 01:35:03.880
you now. Anybody that's watching, any guy that's

01:35:03.880 --> 01:35:05.060
watching, go and put your wife's shirt on. This

01:35:05.060 --> 01:35:06.680
is how it begins. Go and put your wife's shirt

01:35:06.680 --> 01:35:09.220
on and see. It doesn't fold that way. Right.

01:35:09.300 --> 01:35:11.560
It folds the other way. And you have to push

01:35:11.560 --> 01:35:14.039
the buttons through with your left hand. How

01:35:14.039 --> 01:35:16.859
fucking cool is that? That's crazy. And it's

01:35:16.859 --> 01:35:18.779
the same with hoodies. You know, we zip our hoodies

01:35:18.779 --> 01:35:20.420
with our right hand. Girls zip their hoodies

01:35:20.420 --> 01:35:25.140
with their left hand. Oh, wow. So fucking cool.

01:35:25.279 --> 01:35:30.359
Weird. One other element is the gentlemen of

01:35:30.359 --> 01:35:32.500
the days, they would have a sword on the left

01:35:32.500 --> 01:35:35.600
hip drawn by the right hand. The way that our

01:35:35.600 --> 01:35:37.840
shirts are put together at the moment, it can't

01:35:37.840 --> 01:35:40.699
get caught in the folds. because the left fold

01:35:40.699 --> 01:35:42.739
is over the top of the right. So as you draw

01:35:42.739 --> 01:35:44.760
it, there's no chance that the hilt would get

01:35:44.760 --> 01:35:46.859
caught. So if you're a left -handed person, you

01:35:46.859 --> 01:35:49.779
have to wear women's clothes. That might actually

01:35:49.779 --> 01:35:54.039
explain more than you think. Probably. So this

01:35:54.039 --> 01:35:56.279
is an example of path dependency, what you're

01:35:56.279 --> 01:35:58.479
talking about, like some shit from the past that

01:35:58.479 --> 01:36:02.119
influences the future. QWERTY keyboards, same

01:36:02.119 --> 01:36:04.619
thing. Yeah, I know that one. Typewriters, yeah.

01:36:04.739 --> 01:36:07.739
So it was made to be inefficient, to slow people

01:36:07.739 --> 01:36:10.319
down. And if you take a normal typer from a QWERTY

01:36:10.319 --> 01:36:13.039
keyboard and put them on some other formulation

01:36:13.039 --> 01:36:15.819
that's allowed, they're like 50 % to 70 % faster.

01:36:16.140 --> 01:36:19.600
So we're still using a designed to be inefficient

01:36:19.600 --> 01:36:23.600
keyboard because if you type too quickly on a

01:36:23.600 --> 01:36:25.039
typewriter and you use letters that are close

01:36:25.039 --> 01:36:28.159
together, the typewriter jams. So the letters

01:36:28.159 --> 01:36:29.739
that were used most frequently were put out onto

01:36:29.739 --> 01:36:31.720
the edges and it was less often that you were

01:36:31.720 --> 01:36:33.500
going to put two next to each other so that they

01:36:33.500 --> 01:36:35.260
wouldn't jam. I don't know a single person who

01:36:35.260 --> 01:36:37.460
switched to a different type of keyboard. Do

01:36:37.460 --> 01:36:41.239
you? No. No one. Lex Friedman's got some weird

01:36:41.239 --> 01:36:43.760
super nerd thing. Oh, but his is just separated.

01:36:44.060 --> 01:36:46.039
He's just got it separated. It's still QWERTY.

01:36:46.060 --> 01:36:50.100
Like this? Yeah. Oh. It's almost like a... Yeah,

01:36:50.119 --> 01:36:51.659
that's kind of interesting, but that's not the

01:36:51.659 --> 01:36:53.680
point. The point is the layout of the keys in

01:36:53.680 --> 01:36:56.119
a regular keyboard. There's other layouts. So

01:36:56.119 --> 01:36:58.880
it's not just QWERTY's not available. You could

01:36:58.880 --> 01:37:01.159
actually buy keyboards that have the most efficient

01:37:01.159 --> 01:37:03.239
layout. I forget what the name of it is. I think

01:37:03.239 --> 01:37:05.359
it might be the Dactyl thing. Hot Swap Dactyl.

01:37:05.439 --> 01:37:07.380
I think that's it. The very top. I think that's

01:37:07.380 --> 01:37:12.279
it. I think. Up and right. Yeah. Yeah. Hot swap

01:37:12.279 --> 01:37:16.260
dactyl. Maybe. That's just for sale though. What

01:37:16.260 --> 01:37:17.539
is it? It's still a QWERTY keyboard. It's still

01:37:17.539 --> 01:37:20.039
QWERTY. I can't get away from it. So there's

01:37:20.039 --> 01:37:23.140
other layouts. If you could search what styles

01:37:23.140 --> 01:37:26.619
of key, what is the most efficient layout of

01:37:26.619 --> 01:37:29.319
keys for typing speed? That's what I do. Yeah.

01:37:29.960 --> 01:37:32.520
That's what I ask. This, what's coming up, this

01:37:32.520 --> 01:37:35.600
shit is way faster than typing. Okay, yeah, right,

01:37:35.720 --> 01:37:39.500
right, right. But that's a different thing. It's

01:37:39.500 --> 01:37:44.100
the fastest keyboard for typing. Wow. You can

01:37:44.100 --> 01:37:45.819
type. Hold on. Let's look at that for a second.

01:37:45.840 --> 01:37:47.539
You haven't seen this before? No. Yeah, it's

01:37:47.539 --> 01:37:49.539
like directions. How does it work? I'll show

01:37:49.539 --> 01:37:54.579
you on a demo. Wow. Car recorder. This is crazy.

01:37:54.760 --> 01:37:57.100
And each one of those is a letter? And some of

01:37:57.100 --> 01:38:05.300
them... You can make words real fast. Oh. So

01:38:05.300 --> 01:38:07.720
what we're talking about right here is a totally

01:38:07.720 --> 01:38:10.680
different device than a keyboard. But what I

01:38:10.680 --> 01:38:12.760
mean is there's another keyboard layout that

01:38:12.760 --> 01:38:16.500
super nerds use. Like a tiny amount. The kind

01:38:16.500 --> 01:38:21.180
of people that have those Google phones that

01:38:21.180 --> 01:38:24.140
don't connect to the servers. Didn't Eric Prince

01:38:24.140 --> 01:38:26.500
make those? No, that's a different one. He's

01:38:26.500 --> 01:38:29.739
got his own. Yeah, just that path dependency

01:38:29.739 --> 01:38:31.880
thing, like shit from the past that's still influencing

01:38:31.880 --> 01:38:34.180
us now. Yeah. Why your shirt is going in the

01:38:34.180 --> 01:38:36.479
other direction. That's pretty crazy. Okay, so

01:38:36.479 --> 01:38:59.159
here it is. Whoa. Not the best demo. Hmm. I wonder

01:38:59.159 --> 01:39:03.560
how much of a learning curve there is to figuring

01:39:03.560 --> 01:39:05.020
out how to type with that thing because it looks

01:39:05.020 --> 01:39:07.819
pretty dope. Ooh, they have different ones. Scroll

01:39:07.819 --> 01:39:10.159
up to that image at the top. That's a different

01:39:10.159 --> 01:39:13.260
one. I think it's the same. It's just a... But

01:39:13.260 --> 01:39:14.840
shaped different. Yeah, just like made out of

01:39:14.840 --> 01:39:17.920
metal. Right, but it's a different shape. You

01:39:17.920 --> 01:39:19.939
probably put your hand... Well, maybe put your

01:39:19.939 --> 01:39:21.260
hands on it the same way. It's very different.

01:39:21.340 --> 01:39:23.180
The other one was curved. The problem that you

01:39:23.180 --> 01:39:25.590
have is like... Is this the new one? The Forge,

01:39:25.609 --> 01:39:27.689
the Master Forge. Let me see what you got here.

01:39:27.909 --> 01:39:29.289
It's not showing any way to use it. That's how

01:39:29.289 --> 01:39:31.069
I was trying to find a good way to use it to

01:39:31.069 --> 01:39:33.289
show you how they type words really fast. I think

01:39:33.289 --> 01:39:35.329
it's a matter of time before you're typing with

01:39:35.329 --> 01:39:38.189
your brain anyway. I think this is like learning

01:39:38.189 --> 01:39:40.670
to code. Yeah, well, I think about this with

01:39:40.670 --> 01:39:44.109
prompt engineering. Like if AI gets progressively

01:39:44.109 --> 01:39:47.270
better and better, the idea of being a prompt

01:39:47.270 --> 01:39:49.609
engineer, I understand how to get the AI to do

01:39:49.609 --> 01:39:52.449
what I want, is a job that only shortly after

01:39:52.449 --> 01:39:55.699
it becomes a job, Might be made completely obsolete

01:39:55.699 --> 01:40:00.739
100 % Yeah, yeah that that's not gonna work That's

01:40:00.739 --> 01:40:06.390
like opening up a blockbuster video in 1999 There's

01:40:06.390 --> 01:40:08.350
so little time. Well, the problem that you have

01:40:08.350 --> 01:40:10.649
with the QWERTY keyboard thing is it's a coordination

01:40:10.649 --> 01:40:12.489
problem. Like if you want to borrow your friend's

01:40:12.489 --> 01:40:15.130
laptop, unless everybody decides, we're going

01:40:15.130 --> 01:40:17.130
to switch to the better type of keyboard and

01:40:17.130 --> 01:40:18.649
we're going to do it now. There you go. Here

01:40:18.649 --> 01:40:20.329
he goes. He's moving it. He's typing it right

01:40:20.329 --> 01:40:22.310
there. He's typing these words as he's looking

01:40:22.310 --> 01:40:24.449
at the screen. Holy shit. How's he doing that?

01:40:24.630 --> 01:40:25.989
That guy's a fucking genius. It's up to like

01:40:25.989 --> 01:40:27.989
300 words a minute I think people can get to.

01:40:29.390 --> 01:40:33.340
But here's the question. How do you learn? Do

01:40:33.340 --> 01:40:34.819
you have to play a game? Do you ever do that,

01:40:34.899 --> 01:40:37.539
like Mavis Bacon's typing? You ever do that?

01:40:37.619 --> 01:40:39.319
No, what was that? It's fun. It's a game you

01:40:39.319 --> 01:40:41.859
play. It teaches you how to type. Teaches you

01:40:41.859 --> 01:40:44.220
how to type faster? Yeah, you type things that

01:40:44.220 --> 01:40:46.319
they tell you to type. They time you like a race.

01:40:46.520 --> 01:40:49.500
It's fun. He's hitting all these letters at once,

01:40:49.579 --> 01:40:52.539
I think, with his fingers. You can see them popping

01:40:52.539 --> 01:40:54.600
up, and then it creates the word. I think it's

01:40:54.600 --> 01:40:56.319
a little bit of a mixture of, remember the T9

01:40:56.319 --> 01:40:59.340
typing you could do on your phone? Yeah. You

01:40:59.340 --> 01:41:02.319
could hit four numbers, and you'd know what word

01:41:02.319 --> 01:41:03.659
it would be, and if it wasn't that word, you'd

01:41:03.659 --> 01:41:05.819
hit next like three times. You could get really

01:41:05.819 --> 01:41:08.100
good at that. I think it's a mixture. Predictive.

01:41:08.100 --> 01:41:09.880
Could you rewind that again so I could see him

01:41:09.880 --> 01:41:12.180
doing that? Can you give me some volume so I

01:41:12.180 --> 01:41:14.859
can hear what he's saying? There's no question

01:41:14.859 --> 01:41:17.659
that typing sentences at over 200 words per minute

01:41:17.659 --> 01:41:21.279
is extremely satisfying, but does typing fast

01:41:21.279 --> 01:41:24.140
actually transfer to productivity in the real

01:41:24.140 --> 01:41:26.920
world? That's the question we'll be answering

01:41:26.920 --> 01:41:30.079
together in today's video. Does typing speed

01:41:30.079 --> 01:41:35.180
really matter? That's nuts. Wow. He just did

01:41:35.180 --> 01:41:40.300
that. Wow. And he made but large. Yeah. Like

01:41:40.300 --> 01:41:44.000
he made it all caps. I suppose this is kind of...

01:41:44.000 --> 01:41:45.579
I need to know if that dude's a rain man. You

01:41:45.579 --> 01:41:47.760
know what I'm saying? I need to ask him some

01:41:47.760 --> 01:41:51.720
questions about math. Yeah. It's mad to think

01:41:51.720 --> 01:41:55.000
how quickly we can think. and how slowly we can

01:41:55.000 --> 01:41:56.760
communicate that to other people, even with speech,

01:41:56.899 --> 01:41:59.979
right? Can you just please search, is there a

01:41:59.979 --> 01:42:04.020
more efficient key layout than QWERTY? Because

01:42:04.020 --> 01:42:06.000
that's what I'm looking for. Because I know there

01:42:06.000 --> 01:42:08.859
is. Because I remember I went down a rabbit hole

01:42:08.859 --> 01:42:10.739
with this, and I was really thinking about trying

01:42:10.739 --> 01:42:12.659
it. And then I was like, God, what are you doing?

01:42:12.720 --> 01:42:14.779
You'd have to change your phone. Yeah, and it

01:42:14.779 --> 01:42:16.840
wasn't phone days. This was way before phone

01:42:16.840 --> 01:42:20.539
days. This was the days of just typing. More

01:42:20.539 --> 01:42:22.899
efficient keyboard layout than QWERTY. That's

01:42:22.899 --> 01:42:27.140
it. Dvorak. That's it. Puts about 65 to 70 cent

01:42:27.140 --> 01:42:30.000
of keystrokes in the home row versus roughly

01:42:30.000 --> 01:42:34.579
30 on QWERTY. So fingers move much less. So now

01:42:34.579 --> 01:42:37.979
that we know that, can you search for images

01:42:37.979 --> 01:42:41.340
of Dvorak keyboard? So that's what the keys look

01:42:41.340 --> 01:42:42.760
like right there. Oh, that's it right there.

01:42:43.880 --> 01:42:48.520
See how different that is? Wow. Yeah, very different.

01:42:48.560 --> 01:42:49.880
How long do you reckon it would take you to write

01:42:49.880 --> 01:42:52.800
out a short email? It would take forever. My

01:42:52.800 --> 01:42:55.140
stupid fingers would go right back to where they

01:42:55.140 --> 01:42:56.819
always go. You know, that was one of the things

01:42:56.819 --> 01:42:59.460
that I learned really early on from teaching

01:42:59.460 --> 01:43:04.760
martial arts. I way would rather teach someone

01:43:04.760 --> 01:43:07.579
who didn't know anything than teach someone who

01:43:07.579 --> 01:43:10.079
learned things wrong. Because someone who learned

01:43:10.079 --> 01:43:12.300
things wrong, it's very difficult to correct

01:43:12.300 --> 01:43:16.039
their technique. They have a mode in their mind

01:43:16.039 --> 01:43:18.140
that they shift to when they're panicky or when

01:43:18.140 --> 01:43:20.300
they're being pressured. They always go back

01:43:20.300 --> 01:43:23.279
to the bad technique, always. It's very hard

01:43:23.279 --> 01:43:26.020
to get someone to learn technique correctly when

01:43:26.020 --> 01:43:28.939
they know it incorrectly. You've got to re -teach

01:43:28.939 --> 01:43:31.840
them everything. You see it with pool. There's

01:43:31.840 --> 01:43:33.420
certain tendencies that people have with their

01:43:33.420 --> 01:43:36.100
arm being out. A lot of people just accept the

01:43:36.100 --> 01:43:38.500
bad relationship between your elbow and your...

01:43:38.680 --> 01:43:40.859
As long as it's consistent. Even though it's

01:43:40.859 --> 01:43:43.260
more inefficient, it's going to add extra English

01:43:43.260 --> 01:43:45.140
to the ball and spin and all these different

01:43:45.140 --> 01:43:47.220
things and probably make you less accurate. Maybe

01:43:47.220 --> 01:43:49.699
better that than try to, like, make your arm

01:43:49.699 --> 01:43:52.000
drop down and hang 90 % because it'll feel so

01:43:52.000 --> 01:43:56.220
alien. But that's way less than in martial arts.

01:43:56.239 --> 01:43:59.600
In martial arts, like, God, if you learn how

01:43:59.600 --> 01:44:01.979
to throw a sidekick with your knee down versus

01:44:01.979 --> 01:44:05.939
your knee up, it's so hard. to do it the other

01:44:05.939 --> 01:44:07.979
way when you're being pressured you're always

01:44:07.979 --> 01:44:09.300
going to do it the wrong way and you're not going

01:44:09.300 --> 01:44:13.420
to have the the correct amount of power and those

01:44:13.420 --> 01:44:16.399
tendencies that are burned into you i've been

01:44:16.399 --> 01:44:20.470
typing for 30 years like they are i don't have

01:44:20.470 --> 01:44:22.869
to look at a keyboard i can just talk to you

01:44:22.869 --> 01:44:25.310
and i can type and i'm not really good but i'm

01:44:25.310 --> 01:44:27.689
good enough you know i'm i don't look at the

01:44:27.689 --> 01:44:29.609
keys like i don't have to pick like i used to

01:44:29.609 --> 01:44:31.970
just drive me crazy watching videos of hunter

01:44:31.970 --> 01:44:34.109
thompson who never learned how to type he would

01:44:34.109 --> 01:44:36.560
type like this He would type with one finger

01:44:36.560 --> 01:44:38.119
at a time, poke and peck. I'm like, dude, it

01:44:38.119 --> 01:44:40.560
would take so little time for you to just put

01:44:40.560 --> 01:44:42.859
your fucking fingers there and learn how to do

01:44:42.859 --> 01:44:45.100
that right. He never did. He poked and pecked

01:44:45.100 --> 01:44:46.659
his way to some of the greatest fucking books

01:44:46.659 --> 01:44:48.939
ever. Maybe that was a performance enhancer.

01:44:49.359 --> 01:44:51.880
But yeah, I... Well, he was poking and pecking

01:44:51.880 --> 01:44:54.239
when he was on coke. That's true, yeah. It's

01:44:54.239 --> 01:44:55.560
probably for the best that you didn't type more

01:44:55.560 --> 01:44:57.079
quickly. Imagine the crazy shit that would have

01:44:57.079 --> 01:45:01.119
come out of him then. Right, right, yeah. You

01:45:01.119 --> 01:45:03.239
ever seen him type? It's so frustrating. No.

01:45:03.630 --> 01:45:07.470
Can we see? Is it videos? Yeah. Oh, wow. Find

01:45:07.470 --> 01:45:10.789
Hunter Thompson typing. Yeah, you'll see it.

01:45:10.829 --> 01:45:14.229
It's pokey pecky. And Johnny Depp actually mimicked

01:45:14.229 --> 01:45:16.270
it really accurately in Fear and Loathing in

01:45:16.270 --> 01:45:19.029
Las Vegas. He's sitting in front of the thing

01:45:19.029 --> 01:45:23.970
like pecking. Yeah, like doing his Hunter Thompson

01:45:23.970 --> 01:45:27.149
impression. Pecking and poking. Well, your brain

01:45:27.149 --> 01:45:30.449
can think at about 4 ,000 words a minute. And

01:45:30.449 --> 01:45:33.810
that's the same rate of fire as an M134 machine

01:45:33.810 --> 01:45:38.729
gun. Wow. So anything, even to your point of

01:45:38.729 --> 01:45:40.350
very soon I think that keyboards are going to

01:45:40.350 --> 01:45:43.569
be obsolete. When you think about how much fucking

01:45:43.569 --> 01:45:46.510
fidelity and speed is lost with you going from

01:45:46.510 --> 01:45:50.989
brain to thumb, like I wonder what another type

01:45:50.989 --> 01:45:52.810
of keyboard is. And you've got to think, okay,

01:45:52.890 --> 01:45:55.750
how do I? convert this into words where am i

01:45:55.750 --> 01:45:57.890
going to go open the app type that oh crap man

01:45:57.890 --> 01:46:02.689
fucking keyboard keyboard yeah but it is so slow

01:46:02.689 --> 01:46:05.090
yeah compared with when we just get neural linked

01:46:05.090 --> 01:46:07.310
up to each other yeah yeah and i'm sure you've

01:46:07.310 --> 01:46:10.039
seen that where the two guys are sitting across

01:46:10.039 --> 01:46:11.640
from each other and they have the headsets on.

01:46:11.699 --> 01:46:13.420
They're asking each other questions and answering

01:46:13.420 --> 01:46:15.579
the questions without using words. No, I've not

01:46:15.579 --> 01:46:16.420
seen that. You haven't seen that? No. All right,

01:46:16.420 --> 01:46:18.199
we'll show you that next. We'll show you that

01:46:18.199 --> 01:46:19.920
next. What were we just looking up now? I can't.

01:46:19.920 --> 01:46:22.340
I find pictures of him typing, but not video

01:46:22.340 --> 01:46:24.380
of him typing. Oh, God, I don't want to see that.

01:46:24.739 --> 01:46:26.020
Let me get in the bathroom. Let me get in the

01:46:26.020 --> 01:46:28.119
bathroom. We'll be right back, ladies and gentlemen.

01:46:28.220 --> 01:46:31.260
It's time to pee. Where were we? Somebody typing

01:46:31.260 --> 01:46:34.159
like a grandma. Yeah, the Hunter Thompson thing.

01:46:34.199 --> 01:46:37.020
He couldn't really find it. You got Johnny Depp

01:46:37.020 --> 01:46:38.680
doing it? Okay, this is how he typed. This is

01:46:38.680 --> 01:46:41.399
completely accurate. This is a great video, by

01:46:41.399 --> 01:46:43.760
the way. You should listen to this. It's an amazing

01:46:43.760 --> 01:46:49.380
piece. You got to cut it out? Okay, we'll cut

01:46:49.380 --> 01:46:52.100
it out. But that's it. That's how he poked. He

01:46:52.100 --> 01:46:54.680
poked and pecked like that. So that's how Hunter

01:46:54.680 --> 01:46:59.140
Thompson used to type. Out of his fucking bird.

01:46:59.539 --> 01:47:04.470
Just poking. Oh, you found that? Okay. Okay,

01:47:04.590 --> 01:47:06.829
this is the crazy one. The telepathic thing is

01:47:06.829 --> 01:47:08.689
nuts because they have these headsets on and

01:47:08.689 --> 01:47:10.689
these guys are laughing because they're asking

01:47:10.689 --> 01:47:12.109
each other questions and they're answering the

01:47:12.109 --> 01:47:14.609
questions and they hear the answer in their heads.

01:47:14.789 --> 01:47:17.630
The other person hears the question and then

01:47:17.630 --> 01:47:21.109
they hear the answer. So it's a new, I think,

01:47:21.109 --> 01:47:22.689
I don't know if it's a product or what, but it's

01:47:22.689 --> 01:47:24.590
called Alter Ego. This is the same guy who developed

01:47:24.590 --> 01:47:28.050
that device where he could look things up without

01:47:28.050 --> 01:47:29.789
opening his mouth or talking and just sort of

01:47:29.789 --> 01:47:35.189
like mimicking the words in his... We all have

01:47:35.189 --> 01:47:37.029
moments when it's sort of doing the same thing.

01:47:37.069 --> 01:47:38.829
I'll sort of skip past it so he's talking. He's

01:47:38.829 --> 01:47:41.729
showing it on his own here. The cool part is

01:47:41.729 --> 01:47:45.449
when he brings in someone else to talk to. And

01:47:45.449 --> 01:47:48.890
this guy also has it. So they're communicating.

01:47:49.829 --> 01:47:51.569
Where do you want to get lunch after this? He's

01:47:51.569 --> 01:47:52.710
saying. Where do you want to get lunch after

01:47:52.710 --> 01:47:55.729
this? And for the demo, they hooked it up to

01:47:55.729 --> 01:48:01.050
audio so that the video could hear it. Typhoon

01:48:01.050 --> 01:48:04.579
could be good. So they're laughing because their

01:48:04.579 --> 01:48:05.779
words are being... It doesn't matter where Arnav

01:48:05.779 --> 01:48:08.819
and I are. It could be a noisy environment. So

01:48:08.819 --> 01:48:12.800
would they hear this? It could be a noisy environment

01:48:12.800 --> 01:48:15.819
or a quiet office. Having a direct conversation

01:48:15.819 --> 01:48:19.180
is possible without saying a word. The signals

01:48:19.180 --> 01:48:21.479
Alter Ego detects aren't affected by environmental

01:48:21.479 --> 01:48:23.939
noise. So even if you're walking past a wind

01:48:23.939 --> 01:48:26.340
tunnel or a construction zone, what you want

01:48:26.340 --> 01:48:28.939
to say will always get across. It's like having

01:48:28.939 --> 01:48:31.619
infinite noise cancellation. Exactly what people

01:48:31.619 --> 01:48:35.600
say happens when they encounter aliens. Telepathy.

01:48:35.600 --> 01:48:38.640
Exactly. Exactly. Someone's talking in your head

01:48:38.640 --> 01:48:44.520
and you hear it. So imagine this technology scaled

01:48:44.520 --> 01:48:47.319
out a thousand years and they probably don't

01:48:47.319 --> 01:48:48.720
need the other person to have a headset anymore.

01:48:49.880 --> 01:48:51.659
And they just... Would make for an interesting

01:48:51.659 --> 01:48:55.149
podcast. Yeah, I guess. And you could just tune

01:48:55.149 --> 01:48:56.750
in and nobody needs to actually listen to anything.

01:48:56.909 --> 01:48:59.630
So where's the sound? Are they hearing the sound

01:48:59.630 --> 01:49:02.489
in a set of headphones? It's hard. Not headphones.

01:49:03.130 --> 01:49:08.310
They know it, right? They're not hearing it.

01:49:08.310 --> 01:49:11.779
Honestly. I don't understand. Because if it was

01:49:11.779 --> 01:49:13.220
really loud, then you wouldn't be able to hear

01:49:13.220 --> 01:49:15.619
it. For the demo we just watched, they have it

01:49:15.619 --> 01:49:18.319
hooked up to a speaker so we can hear what they're

01:49:18.319 --> 01:49:20.680
hearing. But I think, if anything, it's got to

01:49:20.680 --> 01:49:22.920
be some sort of jaw induction, but I don't know

01:49:22.920 --> 01:49:25.359
that for sure. Well, there's weird earphones

01:49:25.359 --> 01:49:27.560
that you can put on that don't go in your ear.

01:49:27.640 --> 01:49:30.260
They go behind your ear, and they send the sound

01:49:30.260 --> 01:49:32.039
into your dome. People use that for running,

01:49:32.119 --> 01:49:34.939
right? Yeah. The sound that's going around. Fucking

01:49:34.939 --> 01:49:37.859
creeps hiding in the bushes. They can hear the

01:49:37.859 --> 01:49:39.840
creeps so they can get ready for them. You know

01:49:39.840 --> 01:49:42.500
Cam Haynes, right? My buddy Cam? His brother

01:49:42.500 --> 01:49:46.800
almost got killed by a mountain lion. Crazy story.

01:49:47.159 --> 01:49:50.739
He put it on his Instagram. The day, the next

01:49:50.739 --> 01:49:53.340
day, like he talked about the story, what happened.

01:49:53.380 --> 01:49:55.399
He was running and there was a mountain lion

01:49:55.399 --> 01:49:57.260
in the bushes. And at first he thought it was

01:49:57.260 --> 01:49:59.460
a coyote. He just saw the eyes. He yelled and

01:49:59.460 --> 01:50:01.659
then stood up and he realized it was a cat. And

01:50:01.659 --> 01:50:03.640
it started running after him. And he's running

01:50:03.640 --> 01:50:06.380
at night. It was in California. And he kicked

01:50:06.380 --> 01:50:10.489
rocks at it. He screamed at it. And ultimately,

01:50:10.569 --> 01:50:12.729
there's some dogs barking, and he thinks maybe

01:50:12.729 --> 01:50:14.710
the dogs barking scared the mountain lion off

01:50:14.710 --> 01:50:16.890
him. But he said it was like, I couldn't have

01:50:16.890 --> 01:50:18.489
used, this is his quote, he said, I couldn't

01:50:18.489 --> 01:50:20.449
have used bear spray, even if I had it, because

01:50:20.449 --> 01:50:22.170
it would have got on me. That's how close it

01:50:22.170 --> 01:50:25.510
was. He said it was right there, like right on

01:50:25.510 --> 01:50:27.170
him. So it's the most scary he's ever been in

01:50:27.170 --> 01:50:29.550
his life. I've seen that video of the guy tracking

01:50:29.550 --> 01:50:31.649
backward. Oh, yeah. As it's coming toward him.

01:50:32.329 --> 01:50:34.710
It's coming swinging. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

01:50:35.289 --> 01:50:36.729
The only thing that gives me comfort about that

01:50:36.729 --> 01:50:38.770
video, if I was there, is that thing just wants

01:50:38.770 --> 01:50:41.170
to scare me. It's not trying to kill me. It wants

01:50:41.170 --> 01:50:42.729
to scare me. That's a mother that's trying to

01:50:42.729 --> 01:50:44.789
get you away from the cubs. Because the way it's

01:50:44.789 --> 01:50:47.430
doing it, it's throwing its arms in the air in

01:50:47.430 --> 01:50:49.649
a very intimidating way. If an animal was trying

01:50:49.649 --> 01:50:52.010
to kill you, it wouldn't do that. They'd be running

01:50:52.010 --> 01:50:54.489
full clip at you and just dive on your neck.

01:50:54.789 --> 01:50:56.710
That's the difference between a cat that wants

01:50:56.710 --> 01:50:58.090
to kill you and something that's trying to scare

01:50:58.090 --> 01:51:01.029
you off. So the problem is you're backing up,

01:51:01.069 --> 01:51:04.630
right? And the instincts of these predators,

01:51:04.890 --> 01:51:07.069
like if you throw a ball of yarn by a kitten,

01:51:07.189 --> 01:51:09.029
they dive on that ball of yarn. They can't help

01:51:09.029 --> 01:51:11.210
themselves. And that's the thing about you backing

01:51:11.210 --> 01:51:14.270
up or even you running. It's like you're exciting

01:51:14.270 --> 01:51:16.050
their prey drive. Yeah, they're going to keep

01:51:16.050 --> 01:51:18.109
tracking you. Right. So they tell you to stand

01:51:18.109 --> 01:51:21.260
tall and be loud and make a lot of noise. But

01:51:21.260 --> 01:51:23.380
there's a fine line between you being a threat

01:51:23.380 --> 01:51:26.840
and then them being scared off, like you being

01:51:26.840 --> 01:51:28.699
something they have to deal with, depending upon

01:51:28.699 --> 01:51:32.880
the distance between each other. Oh, that makes

01:51:32.880 --> 01:51:35.460
so much sense. Yeah. Have you ever had any run

01:51:35.460 --> 01:51:38.500
-ins? I have never had an encounter like that,

01:51:38.560 --> 01:51:42.779
but I did in the wild see an enormous mountain

01:51:42.779 --> 01:51:45.000
lion once, but fortunately it was from inside

01:51:45.000 --> 01:51:48.710
of a truck. Yeah. Me and my friend Colton, we

01:51:48.710 --> 01:51:51.270
were in Utah. We were taking this turn, and it

01:51:51.270 --> 01:51:55.069
was at dusk. So the sun was setting, and he stops

01:51:55.069 --> 01:51:57.680
the truck, and he goes, look at that cat. And

01:51:57.680 --> 01:52:00.000
I go, where? And I look over and I see the glowing

01:52:00.000 --> 01:52:03.380
eyes from the setting sun, the glowing eyes reflecting

01:52:03.380 --> 01:52:06.880
underneath this tree. And it's got this pumpkin

01:52:06.880 --> 01:52:11.119
head, this big fucking, these mandible muscles

01:52:11.119 --> 01:52:14.899
that just crush things and these massive forearms.

01:52:14.920 --> 01:52:17.500
And it's just sitting, it's a big cat, man. Like

01:52:17.500 --> 01:52:19.619
I've seen two other mountain lions before, but

01:52:19.619 --> 01:52:22.220
they were small. They were like a dog sized.

01:52:22.420 --> 01:52:25.310
This thing was fucking. You reckon you'd be able

01:52:25.310 --> 01:52:27.149
to take a dog -sized mountain lion or are you

01:52:27.149 --> 01:52:30.289
still dead? No, you're dead. A cat -sized cat

01:52:30.289 --> 01:52:33.789
might fuck you up. A house cat might fuck you

01:52:33.789 --> 01:52:36.270
up. A bobcat might fuck you up. A mountain lion

01:52:36.270 --> 01:52:39.789
will kill you. You'd have to be an extraordinary

01:52:39.789 --> 01:52:43.149
person with weapons to survive a mountain lion

01:52:43.149 --> 01:52:45.890
hand -to -hand fight. You'd have to be an extraordinary

01:52:45.890 --> 01:52:47.609
person who's really fighting to survive. And

01:52:47.609 --> 01:52:50.949
you don't panic at all. You have to be willing

01:52:50.949 --> 01:52:53.090
to stay calm. This thing's going to tear your

01:52:53.090 --> 01:52:56.010
arms apart. It might tear your face apart. What

01:52:56.010 --> 01:52:58.189
are the basics? I mean, you hunt all the time.

01:52:58.250 --> 01:53:00.350
And you do, was it like end of September, you

01:53:00.350 --> 01:53:02.310
went and did another big one last year? Yeah,

01:53:02.310 --> 01:53:05.090
elk hunting, yeah. You must have been given whatever

01:53:05.090 --> 01:53:07.670
the safety briefing that you have at the start

01:53:07.670 --> 01:53:10.840
of an act. like aircraft taking off is of hey

01:53:10.840 --> 01:53:13.159
man if you see this if you see this or if you

01:53:13.159 --> 01:53:14.579
see this these are the ways that you're supposed

01:53:14.579 --> 01:53:16.939
to behave no we don't get any safety briefings

01:53:16.939 --> 01:53:18.699
but you must have learned it in the past yeah

01:53:18.699 --> 01:53:21.899
as a part of safety briefing carry a gun bring

01:53:21.899 --> 01:53:24.539
a gun with you point at a big scary thing even

01:53:24.539 --> 01:53:26.779
if you're bow hunting carry a pistol especially

01:53:26.779 --> 01:53:29.439
if you're in bear country if you're in bear country

01:53:29.439 --> 01:53:32.699
you can't you can't depend on this this mist

01:53:32.699 --> 01:53:35.369
making their eyes hurt keeping them off of you

01:53:35.369 --> 01:53:36.930
because it might not work. I'll just run through

01:53:36.930 --> 01:53:41.210
it. Yeah, there was a recent case in BC where

01:53:41.210 --> 01:53:46.149
a bear mauled 11 people and they used bear spray

01:53:46.149 --> 01:53:49.310
on it and it didn't work. I think it was a teacher

01:53:49.310 --> 01:53:52.930
protecting his students. So shout out to that

01:53:52.930 --> 01:53:56.119
teacher. He got fucked up. But they tried bear

01:53:56.119 --> 01:53:58.239
spray. Bear spray is not effective. My friend

01:53:58.239 --> 01:54:00.819
John, who lives up in Alberta, he used bear spray

01:54:00.819 --> 01:54:02.359
on a grizzly once. He said it walked right through

01:54:02.359 --> 01:54:04.199
it like it was nothing. Is bear spray basically

01:54:04.199 --> 01:54:06.880
like hardcore pepper spray? Yeah. It's like vicious

01:54:06.880 --> 01:54:08.579
pepper spray. But you're just going to get a

01:54:08.579 --> 01:54:11.529
mad bear, you know? Why don't they make more

01:54:11.529 --> 01:54:13.909
hardcore bear spray then? It's as hardcore as

01:54:13.909 --> 01:54:15.729
it gets without killing you. Right. You know,

01:54:15.729 --> 01:54:18.829
if it gets on you. If it's that noxious. It's

01:54:18.829 --> 01:54:20.550
just supposed to be a deterrent. And sometimes

01:54:20.550 --> 01:54:22.930
it can work. Like sometimes maybe they're just

01:54:22.930 --> 01:54:24.310
curious and you spray them and they're like,

01:54:24.390 --> 01:54:26.630
fuck this guy. And they get out of there. But

01:54:26.630 --> 01:54:29.430
maybe sometimes no. You know, because it's like.

01:54:29.850 --> 01:54:32.010
It's like tasing a guy. You ever see a guy get

01:54:32.010 --> 01:54:35.329
tased and they just fucking run through it. There's

01:54:35.329 --> 01:54:38.029
guys who get tased and they just go stiff and

01:54:38.029 --> 01:54:40.149
they fall down. And I've seen other guys get

01:54:40.149 --> 01:54:41.810
tased where they rip it right out of their arm.

01:54:42.310 --> 01:54:44.470
Four people, including children, were hospitalized.

01:54:44.510 --> 01:54:47.869
A teacher on crutches, second adult with. A second

01:54:47.869 --> 01:54:49.930
adult was bear spray and a third person who punched

01:54:49.930 --> 01:54:51.850
and kicked a grizzly despite serious injuries

01:54:51.850 --> 01:54:54.189
are being praised for their actions. Saved a

01:54:54.189 --> 01:54:58.470
school group attacked by a bear near Bella Coola,

01:54:58.470 --> 01:55:02.350
British Columbia. Four people, including children,

01:55:02.609 --> 01:55:05.090
were hospitalized Thursday after a bear attack

01:55:05.090 --> 01:55:08.970
on students and teachers in the Nux Walk First

01:55:08.970 --> 01:55:12.369
Nation while out on a school trip near the—boy,

01:55:12.449 --> 01:55:18.550
I'm going to fuck this up—Akwalkta School east

01:55:18.550 --> 01:55:21.130
of the remote community. Oh, so it was a very

01:55:21.130 --> 01:55:24.750
remote place. Yeah. Bear spray didn't do anything,

01:55:24.829 --> 01:55:28.119
man. It said, look, nothing phased it. Didn't

01:55:28.119 --> 01:55:30.640
do anything to the bear. Two cans of spray in

01:55:30.640 --> 01:55:33.939
the eyes of the animal. Look at that. They said

01:55:33.939 --> 01:55:36.300
the teacher unloaded two cans of bear spray into

01:55:36.300 --> 01:55:37.859
the eyes of the animal and it didn't do anything.

01:55:38.119 --> 01:55:39.899
It blows my mind that people who have been through

01:55:39.899 --> 01:55:42.340
something that scary. When the kids were getting

01:55:42.340 --> 01:55:43.979
attacked, one of my cousins who had his skull

01:55:43.979 --> 01:55:46.979
ripped ran towards the bear and jumped on it

01:55:46.979 --> 01:55:50.539
with his bare hands. Holy shit. It's pretty hardcore.

01:55:50.819 --> 01:55:53.479
That's hard. Well, that's primal life. You know,

01:55:53.500 --> 01:55:57.829
that's survival in... like a real situation where

01:55:57.829 --> 01:56:01.949
your language goes away. Another lady, a teacher

01:56:01.949 --> 01:56:03.989
with crutches was whacking it, hitting it in

01:56:03.989 --> 01:56:06.369
the eyes, the face, the head for minutes, and

01:56:06.369 --> 01:56:08.569
then the bear finally... Imagine being on crutches.

01:56:08.829 --> 01:56:14.890
Oh, my God. Well, it's just survival. It's so

01:56:14.890 --> 01:56:18.890
reptilian. It's like a savage, savage moment.

01:56:19.109 --> 01:56:21.590
That's what blows my mind about these situations

01:56:21.590 --> 01:56:26.470
where... emotions are running so high, how people

01:56:26.470 --> 01:56:28.250
are able to come back with any kind of memory

01:56:28.250 --> 01:56:31.810
at all. Right. Because that amount of adrenaline

01:56:31.810 --> 01:56:35.310
just completely warps people's memories. I was

01:56:35.310 --> 01:56:39.069
learning about this case from Australia in the

01:56:39.069 --> 01:56:43.449
70s. This lady gets attacked inside of her home.

01:56:43.569 --> 01:56:46.649
So a guy breaks into the house and assaults her.

01:56:47.039 --> 01:56:49.500
Inside of our home and she identifies this TV

01:56:49.500 --> 01:56:51.399
psychologist this guy called Donald Thompson

01:56:51.399 --> 01:56:53.899
Says it was this was the person who assaulted

01:56:53.899 --> 01:56:56.399
me the TV psychology psychologist. Yeah. Yeah,

01:56:56.479 --> 01:56:59.859
so she knew this guy from the TV He was the guy

01:56:59.859 --> 01:57:02.760
that assaulted me that night the police go and

01:57:02.760 --> 01:57:06.380
they arrest Donald Thompson take him in the next

01:57:06.380 --> 01:57:09.079
day There's a lineup and the woman positively

01:57:09.079 --> 01:57:12.260
identifies him and Donald Thompson's like that

01:57:12.260 --> 01:57:14.960
couldn't have been me because I was actually

01:57:14.960 --> 01:57:17.359
on television in front of a live audience at

01:57:17.359 --> 01:57:21.020
the time. The arresting officer scoffs at him

01:57:21.020 --> 01:57:23.699
and basically says, you might as well have Jesus

01:57:23.699 --> 01:57:25.840
and the Queen of England as your alibis as well.

01:57:25.880 --> 01:57:28.319
This is ridiculous. We know that she's been assaulted.

01:57:28.880 --> 01:57:31.399
We've got photographic evidence of the marks

01:57:31.399 --> 01:57:33.880
on her. We've done a DNA test, which is going

01:57:33.880 --> 01:57:36.640
to come back soon. She's positively identified

01:57:36.640 --> 01:57:39.359
you from the lineup and she called you out before

01:57:39.359 --> 01:57:41.100
you were in the lineup as well. Like you're banged

01:57:41.100 --> 01:57:43.720
to rights. But there was a wrinkle that when

01:57:43.720 --> 01:57:46.840
they actually looked at the timing, he was on

01:57:46.840 --> 01:57:49.680
TV at the time that this was happening. And what

01:57:49.680 --> 01:57:53.659
had occurred was the woman had had that television

01:57:53.659 --> 01:57:58.020
program on while the attacker broke in and sexually

01:57:58.020 --> 01:58:02.239
assaulted her. Whoa. And it imprinted that guy's

01:58:02.239 --> 01:58:08.100
face in her memory. Bingo. Wow. blended the attacker's

01:58:08.100 --> 01:58:11.739
identity with what she was seeing on TV while

01:58:11.739 --> 01:58:16.220
it happened. Wow. And the kicker, Donald Thompson

01:58:16.220 --> 01:58:19.300
was on TV to discuss an area of psychological

01:58:19.300 --> 01:58:22.680
speciality that he had, which was the unreliability

01:58:22.680 --> 01:58:33.630
of eyewitness testimony. Whoa. Dude. Whoa. Did

01:58:33.630 --> 01:58:37.649
you see that there's – someone sent me this video.

01:58:38.010 --> 01:58:40.470
Pause this for a second. Darren Brown, the sidekick.

01:58:40.649 --> 01:58:43.550
Have you seen the one – British dude. Yes. Have

01:58:43.550 --> 01:58:50.130
you seen the one where he got a guy to assassinate

01:58:50.130 --> 01:58:54.329
Stephen Fry? Oh, yes. Yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

01:58:54.529 --> 01:58:59.109
Yeah. Yeah. Fuck. Yeah, like MKUltra the guy

01:58:59.109 --> 01:59:00.890
to take out an assassin. Was it called the jump

01:59:00.890 --> 01:59:03.270
or something or the push? Yeah. Was it the push?

01:59:03.470 --> 01:59:05.149
I don't remember, but I watched a clip of it

01:59:05.149 --> 01:59:08.909
the other day. I'm like, this is so crazy that

01:59:08.909 --> 01:59:12.130
you can actually do this to someone? And the

01:59:12.130 --> 01:59:14.630
point of the article that I was reading on or

01:59:14.630 --> 01:59:18.470
the post on X was, you're telling me that MKUltra

01:59:18.470 --> 01:59:22.500
has not figured out a way to do this? You can

01:59:22.500 --> 01:59:24.619
get a guy to do it with cameras, to do it on

01:59:24.619 --> 01:59:29.199
Stephen Fry, the comedian. Obviously, he didn't

01:59:29.199 --> 01:59:33.760
really kill him. I had a... Yeah, here it is.

01:59:34.399 --> 01:59:40.180
So the assassin with Stephen Fry. So he somehow

01:59:40.180 --> 01:59:43.979
or another gets this guy to do it. I guess we

01:59:43.979 --> 01:59:50.819
can't play it. The point is... Fake gun? I don't

01:59:50.819 --> 01:59:53.340
remember what he did. Yep. Oh, shit. They acted

01:59:53.340 --> 01:59:57.140
it all out, too. That is so crazy. That's crazy.

01:59:57.500 --> 01:59:59.460
That's so crazy. So that guy really thought he

01:59:59.460 --> 02:00:01.520
killed Stephen Fry. Imagine being in the crowd.

02:00:02.479 --> 02:00:03.840
How about those people next to him who didn't

02:00:03.840 --> 02:00:07.000
even flinch? I'd be like, what kind of psychos

02:00:07.000 --> 02:00:08.300
am I next to? She's the one whispering to watch.

02:00:08.380 --> 02:00:10.079
She whispers. She's like, good job. I think she's

02:00:10.079 --> 02:00:14.560
the one who set him off. Oh. She's in on it.

02:00:14.619 --> 02:00:20.520
Now here's the question. Can anybody fall into

02:00:20.520 --> 02:00:24.420
that kind of a hypnosis? Is that only certain

02:00:24.420 --> 02:00:27.659
people that are suggestible? There's high, medium,

02:00:27.739 --> 02:00:30.500
and low suggestibility people, and there's a

02:00:30.500 --> 02:00:34.600
couple of tests. Dr. David Spiegel from Stanford,

02:00:34.840 --> 02:00:37.420
he's like one of the world leaders in hypnosis,

02:00:37.659 --> 02:00:41.489
and he explained some people are. more susceptible

02:00:41.489 --> 02:00:44.289
to hypnosis than others, I have to assume that

02:00:44.289 --> 02:00:46.149
Darren will have done a profile and this guy

02:00:46.149 --> 02:00:48.789
is like really, really susceptible. Okay, what's

02:00:48.789 --> 02:00:51.529
that about? Why is that around? Susceptibility

02:00:51.529 --> 02:00:53.970
to hypnosis? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think that

02:00:53.970 --> 02:00:58.050
dopamine plays a big part of it. And if you process

02:00:58.050 --> 02:01:01.489
dopamine more quickly, you are more susceptible.

02:01:01.670 --> 02:01:04.039
I process dopamine really slowly. I know that

02:01:04.039 --> 02:01:06.279
from doing some genetic tests. So I know that

02:01:06.279 --> 02:01:08.159
my susceptibility to hypnosis would be lower.

02:01:08.239 --> 02:01:09.819
There's some personality traits that make you

02:01:09.819 --> 02:01:11.779
more or less likely as well. I think agreeableness

02:01:11.779 --> 02:01:15.880
versus disagreeableness is one of them. I think

02:01:15.880 --> 02:01:17.659
there'll be a sex difference too. I don't know

02:01:17.659 --> 02:01:19.479
why it's there. It's kind of the same as saying

02:01:19.479 --> 02:01:20.840
like, why are some people taller than others?

02:01:20.939 --> 02:01:23.300
Like they just are. And there's like a byproduct

02:01:23.300 --> 02:01:25.640
that comes along for the ride. But it's a weird

02:01:25.640 --> 02:01:30.399
thing to be able to manipulate a person's mind

02:01:30.399 --> 02:01:34.640
and to have it so clearly. I mean, this is the

02:01:34.640 --> 02:01:36.500
clearest example of it you're ever going to see.

02:01:36.640 --> 02:01:39.840
He just shot a famous person in a room full of

02:01:39.840 --> 02:01:42.899
people. It does feel like a weird backdoor. Yeah,

02:01:42.960 --> 02:01:46.659
that's what I'm getting at. It's like those voting

02:01:46.659 --> 02:01:52.619
systems that can be hacked. Or like those cell

02:01:52.619 --> 02:01:55.340
phone towers they buy from China that turned

02:01:55.340 --> 02:01:56.340
out to be transmitting. Just sending everything

02:01:56.340 --> 02:02:00.359
back to China. Why does that exist? That David

02:02:00.359 --> 02:02:04.560
Spiegel guy taught me that. 25 % of people that

02:02:04.560 --> 02:02:07.180
do a single session intervention for smoking

02:02:07.180 --> 02:02:11.039
cessation quit for life. From hypnosis? One session,

02:02:11.140 --> 02:02:14.560
25%. Get this. And I think if you do a couple

02:02:14.560 --> 02:02:16.220
of sessions, that number starts to go up and

02:02:16.220 --> 02:02:19.300
go up. So hypnosis is this really weird backdoor

02:02:19.300 --> 02:02:22.500
into the human psyche. But yeah, the memory thing

02:02:22.500 --> 02:02:25.399
is fucking crazy. When you think about, what

02:02:25.399 --> 02:02:28.420
do I actually know? How do I know that this thing

02:02:28.420 --> 02:02:32.510
happened in the past? Most people understand

02:02:32.510 --> 02:02:35.229
there's like two types of memory failure. One

02:02:35.229 --> 02:02:37.130
is I can't remember that thing. And the other

02:02:37.130 --> 02:02:39.069
is I remember it, but I remember it incorrectly.

02:02:39.569 --> 02:02:41.609
That's broadly two categories. And I think people

02:02:41.609 --> 02:02:43.869
are really happy with the first one because there's

02:02:43.869 --> 02:02:45.850
tons of shit that has happened to you. And you

02:02:45.850 --> 02:02:47.409
go, yeah, I forget my memory or whatever, whatever.

02:02:47.689 --> 02:02:51.229
But your experience of your own memory is your

02:02:51.229 --> 02:02:52.949
only experience of your own memory. So for you

02:02:52.949 --> 02:02:55.640
to be able to say my recollection is wrong. What

02:02:55.640 --> 02:02:57.979
does that mean? That's like saying this dimension

02:02:57.979 --> 02:03:00.420
that I'm in is wrong. So a lot of the time I

02:03:00.420 --> 02:03:03.159
think people struggle to understand how often

02:03:03.159 --> 02:03:06.560
their memory of a thing is present but inaccurate.

02:03:07.000 --> 02:03:10.500
So, for instance, there's only 17 colors that

02:03:10.500 --> 02:03:12.779
we remember on average. We don't remember, like

02:03:12.779 --> 02:03:16.979
if I ask you what color is a tomato? Well, I

02:03:16.979 --> 02:03:20.000
would say red, but really it's not. If it's heirloom.

02:03:21.229 --> 02:03:23.170
It's typically red, but it's like a reddy orange

02:03:23.170 --> 02:03:25.229
sort of color. Sure, but those are the bullshit

02:03:25.229 --> 02:03:27.369
tomatoes, like a real heirloom tomato. I didn't

02:03:27.369 --> 02:03:28.430
need to get into it. Because all kinds of different

02:03:28.430 --> 02:03:31.409
purplish sort of. Tomato politics. That's a real

02:03:31.409 --> 02:03:33.069
tomato, though. That's what a tomato really looks

02:03:33.069 --> 02:03:36.050
like. Sorry. I know. Supermarket tomato. Yeah,

02:03:36.050 --> 02:03:37.710
yeah. Kind of reddish orange. Reddish, reddish

02:03:37.710 --> 02:03:39.449
orangish. But most people would default to the

02:03:39.449 --> 02:03:41.550
red thing. Right, but not really. Yeah, but it's

02:03:41.550 --> 02:03:44.850
not. And we sort of, we adjust. Right. So if

02:03:44.850 --> 02:03:47.189
you're the guy. Like, we're white people. Uh

02:03:47.189 --> 02:03:49.590
-huh. But we're not really white. Well, I mean,

02:03:49.630 --> 02:03:51.970
you're a bit flush. Yeah, but we're not white.

02:03:52.189 --> 02:03:54.829
You know what I'm saying? Comparatively white.

02:03:55.010 --> 02:03:57.850
My friend Jamie, not this one, but another one.

02:03:57.890 --> 02:03:59.569
He's from England, and he's white like paper.

02:03:59.710 --> 02:04:01.909
And when my daughter first met him, that's what

02:04:01.909 --> 02:04:04.289
she said. She goes, Mommy, he's so white. And

02:04:04.289 --> 02:04:06.489
she goes, Yeah, he's white. And she goes, No,

02:04:06.550 --> 02:04:10.850
no, he's white like paper. Well, if you live

02:04:10.850 --> 02:04:12.710
in England, you will be referred to as white

02:04:12.710 --> 02:04:16.130
like paper. Yeah. I mean, this must be the same

02:04:16.130 --> 02:04:19.920
with fighters. Even if you forget the... TBI,

02:04:19.920 --> 02:04:22.960
head trauma -y stuff, just the dump of adrenaline

02:04:22.960 --> 02:04:24.840
from going through it. I mean, you must have

02:04:24.840 --> 02:04:26.199
done this when you've done your biggest shows.

02:04:26.960 --> 02:04:28.779
Yeah, you don't remember much. You come back

02:04:28.779 --> 02:04:31.479
and you're like, I've worked my whole life to

02:04:31.479 --> 02:04:34.100
get to the stage where I can achieve this thing.

02:04:35.119 --> 02:04:37.779
And in the achievement of this thing, I kind

02:04:37.779 --> 02:04:40.039
of wasn't really there. Well, I was there for

02:04:40.039 --> 02:04:42.840
it, but in retrospect, I can't really recall

02:04:42.840 --> 02:04:45.500
where I was. And it's this odd duality that you

02:04:45.500 --> 02:04:49.130
want to be in a flow state. Yeah. It's very fulfilling.

02:04:49.310 --> 02:04:51.770
It's where you're at your best. This word's just

02:04:51.770 --> 02:04:54.050
coming out of you perfectly. And when you look

02:04:54.050 --> 02:04:57.630
back, you're like, I don't know if I was there

02:04:57.630 --> 02:05:01.270
fully. I feel like I was kind of absent. Well,

02:05:01.390 --> 02:05:04.130
it's not that you're absent, but that you're

02:05:04.130 --> 02:05:07.149
empty. You empty out all your expectations, and

02:05:07.149 --> 02:05:09.609
you're on it for the ride. You're not really

02:05:09.609 --> 02:05:12.630
piloting it as much as you're just making sure

02:05:12.630 --> 02:05:15.829
it doesn't hit the rocks. You're there for the

02:05:15.829 --> 02:05:18.930
ride. The thing takes over. And I think that's

02:05:18.930 --> 02:05:21.229
the case with everything. That's the case when

02:05:21.229 --> 02:05:23.029
you're in the flow state of anything you're doing.

02:05:23.149 --> 02:05:27.850
The more you think about you being there, which

02:05:27.850 --> 02:05:30.449
is what you have to do if you're there, you're

02:05:30.449 --> 02:05:32.729
thinking about you. So it's like wasted resources.

02:05:33.189 --> 02:05:36.369
You're better off being empty and just like being

02:05:36.369 --> 02:05:38.409
a vessel and just like taking this thing along.

02:05:38.550 --> 02:05:41.510
You've done the work already. Take it along for

02:05:41.510 --> 02:05:44.609
the ride. Just go for the ride. That's what it

02:05:44.609 --> 02:05:47.090
is. And so the problem with that is if you don't

02:05:47.090 --> 02:05:49.890
record your set, sometimes you'll say things

02:05:49.890 --> 02:05:51.409
that you don't remember, like that were really

02:05:51.409 --> 02:05:54.329
funny. And you're like, oh, I had a totally different

02:05:54.329 --> 02:05:57.569
point that I went off. And it really worked,

02:05:57.569 --> 02:05:59.130
but I don't remember what it was. If you don't

02:05:59.130 --> 02:06:01.229
record it, you're fucked. The only way you can

02:06:01.229 --> 02:06:03.109
get it back is you have to get back to that exact

02:06:03.109 --> 02:06:05.569
spot and hope it's still there for the next show.

02:06:06.650 --> 02:06:08.550
Sometimes it will be. Sometimes it will be. It's

02:06:08.550 --> 02:06:10.510
waiting for you as a little gift. Sometimes that

02:06:10.510 --> 02:06:12.409
angle pops up again. You're like, oh, yeah, but

02:06:12.409 --> 02:06:14.649
why are we doing this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're

02:06:14.649 --> 02:06:16.449
like, oh, I almost forgot it. That must be a

02:06:16.449 --> 02:06:17.930
nightmare or must have been a nightmare before

02:06:17.930 --> 02:06:19.810
you could record sets. Yeah, but you've always

02:06:19.810 --> 02:06:21.989
been able to record sets. That's one of the things

02:06:21.989 --> 02:06:24.289
I learned really early on from this guy, Mike

02:06:24.289 --> 02:06:26.510
Donovan, who was one of the big comics in Boston.

02:06:26.710 --> 02:06:28.550
He goes, always record your sets because you

02:06:28.550 --> 02:06:29.689
never know when you're going to say something.

02:06:30.149 --> 02:06:33.069
And it'll be lost forever if you don't have a

02:06:33.069 --> 02:06:37.460
recording. There was a... Scotty Scheffler, golfer,

02:06:37.560 --> 02:06:40.500
he won. Jamie, you'll have seen this video. I

02:06:40.500 --> 02:06:43.180
won golfer? Yeah, can we get that? There's a

02:06:43.180 --> 02:06:47.699
New York sports video cut. He does this. It's

02:06:47.699 --> 02:06:51.760
such a fucking cool explanation of what somebody

02:06:51.760 --> 02:06:53.859
who's got to the peak of their sport, the absolute

02:06:53.859 --> 02:06:56.380
pinnacle, like in the moments of winning, and

02:06:56.380 --> 02:06:59.960
he just breaks the fourth wall open about kind

02:06:59.960 --> 02:07:03.300
of the hollowness. of what this is really yeah

02:07:03.300 --> 02:07:05.279
it's really fascinating like what's the point

02:07:05.279 --> 02:07:07.859
that thing yes yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and um

02:07:07.859 --> 02:07:11.859
it's just it's just such a great explainer because

02:07:11.859 --> 02:07:17.159
we always assume here we go yes you might have

02:07:17.159 --> 02:07:19.180
just won the us open here too by the way which

02:07:19.180 --> 02:07:22.859
is like the biggest event of the year life it's

02:07:22.859 --> 02:07:24.760
it's fulfilling from the sense of accomplishment

02:07:24.760 --> 02:07:26.399
but it's not fulfilling from a sense of like

02:07:26.399 --> 02:07:29.819
the deepest you know Places of your heart, you

02:07:29.819 --> 02:07:32.100
know, I think it's kind of funny. I think you

02:07:32.100 --> 02:07:34.600
know, I think I said something after the Byron

02:07:34.600 --> 02:07:38.779
this year about like It feels like you work your

02:07:38.779 --> 02:07:42.020
whole life to celebrate Winning a tournament

02:07:42.020 --> 02:07:45.199
for like a few minutes It only lasts a few minutes

02:07:45.199 --> 02:07:48.119
that kind of euphoric feeling and I like to win

02:07:48.119 --> 02:07:50.119
the Byron Nelson Championship at home I literally

02:07:50.119 --> 02:07:52.239
worked my entire life to become good at golf

02:07:52.239 --> 02:07:53.619
to have an opportunity to win that tournament

02:07:54.670 --> 02:07:57.630
And you win it, you celebrate, get to hug my

02:07:57.630 --> 02:07:59.409
family, my sister's there. It's such an amazing

02:07:59.409 --> 02:08:03.210
moment. And then it's like, okay, now what are

02:08:03.210 --> 02:08:08.270
we going to eat for dinner? Life goes on. Is

02:08:08.270 --> 02:08:10.850
it great to be able to win tournaments and to

02:08:10.850 --> 02:08:12.149
accomplish the things I have in the game of golf?

02:08:12.189 --> 02:08:14.130
Yeah. I mean, it brings tears to my eyes just

02:08:14.130 --> 02:08:17.310
to think about because it's literally worked

02:08:17.310 --> 02:08:19.329
my entire life to become good at the sport and

02:08:19.329 --> 02:08:21.149
to have that kind of sense of accomplishment

02:08:21.149 --> 02:08:24.270
I think is... is a pretty cool feeling. You know,

02:08:24.270 --> 02:08:25.890
to get to live out your dreams is very special.

02:08:26.050 --> 02:08:28.050
But at the end of the day, it's like, I'm not

02:08:28.050 --> 02:08:30.329
out here to inspire the next generation of golfers.

02:08:30.449 --> 02:08:33.270
I'm not here to inspire somebody else to be the

02:08:33.270 --> 02:08:34.670
best player in the world because what's the point?

02:08:34.789 --> 02:08:38.909
You know, this is not a fulfilling life. It's

02:08:38.909 --> 02:08:41.050
fulfilling from a sense of accomplishment, but

02:08:41.050 --> 02:08:42.670
it's not fulfilling from a sense of, like, the

02:08:42.670 --> 02:08:45.890
deepest, you know, places of your heart. You

02:08:45.890 --> 02:08:47.590
know, there's a lot of people that make it to...

02:08:48.240 --> 02:08:50.239
what they thought was going to fulfill them in

02:08:50.239 --> 02:08:51.800
life and then you get there and all of a sudden

02:08:51.800 --> 02:08:53.220
you get to number one in the world and then they're

02:08:53.220 --> 02:08:55.939
like, what's the point? And, you know, I really

02:08:55.939 --> 02:08:58.340
do believe that because, you know, what is the

02:08:58.340 --> 02:09:00.159
point? You're like, why do I want to win this

02:09:00.159 --> 02:09:01.659
tournament so bad? That's something that I wrestle

02:09:01.659 --> 02:09:03.859
with on a daily basis. It's like showing up at

02:09:03.859 --> 02:09:06.420
the Masters every year. It's like, why do I want

02:09:06.420 --> 02:09:08.479
to win this golf tournament so badly? Why do

02:09:08.479 --> 02:09:10.079
I want to win the Open Championship so badly?

02:09:10.979 --> 02:09:14.279
I don't know. Because if I win, it's going to

02:09:14.279 --> 02:09:16.840
be awesome for about two minutes. And then we're

02:09:16.840 --> 02:09:17.859
going to get to the next week, and it's going

02:09:17.859 --> 02:09:19.239
to be like, hey, you won two majors this year.

02:09:19.279 --> 02:09:20.760
How important is it for you to win the FedExCup

02:09:20.760 --> 02:09:22.939
playoffs? And it's just like, we're back here

02:09:22.939 --> 02:09:25.800
again, you know? So we really do. We work so

02:09:25.800 --> 02:09:28.960
hard for such little moments. And, you know,

02:09:29.000 --> 02:09:31.340
I'm kind of a sicko. I love putting in the work.

02:09:31.399 --> 02:09:33.220
I love being able to practice. I love getting

02:09:33.220 --> 02:09:34.739
out to live out my dreams. But at the end of

02:09:34.739 --> 02:09:36.560
the day, sometimes I just don't understand the

02:09:36.560 --> 02:09:40.220
point. That's honest. That's what that is. I

02:09:40.220 --> 02:09:41.939
love that video so much. That's why he's so good.

02:09:42.159 --> 02:09:43.600
I love that video so much. I guarantee you that's

02:09:43.600 --> 02:09:45.000
why he's so good, because I guarantee you that

02:09:45.000 --> 02:09:47.399
guy has to be that honest with himself about

02:09:47.399 --> 02:09:50.420
everything. Otherwise, you'd never fix the hitch

02:09:50.420 --> 02:09:54.279
in your swing, you know? You have to be honest

02:09:54.279 --> 02:09:57.960
about every single thing. You have to be aware

02:09:57.960 --> 02:10:00.720
of all of it, every little weird fucking thing

02:10:00.720 --> 02:10:02.500
you do. Why am I doing this? Like, what is the

02:10:02.500 --> 02:10:04.619
point of this? And then when you're done, like,

02:10:04.699 --> 02:10:06.220
yeah, I did it, and then it's going to creep

02:10:06.220 --> 02:10:09.699
right back in. Creep right back in. Nike did

02:10:09.699 --> 02:10:13.979
a commercial after that. And it's him with his

02:10:13.979 --> 02:10:18.739
son sort of kneeling down on the green. And it

02:10:18.739 --> 02:10:22.439
says, you've already won. And then I think the

02:10:22.439 --> 02:10:25.140
next slide is, but let's get another one. And

02:10:25.140 --> 02:10:28.100
it's so fucking cool, dude. There it is. You've

02:10:28.100 --> 02:10:31.600
already won. But another major never hurt. That

02:10:31.600 --> 02:10:35.840
was a bro. Fucking unbelievable. So I think I

02:10:35.840 --> 02:10:39.779
kind of become obsessed with. people sacrificing

02:10:39.779 --> 02:10:43.260
what they want, which is happiness, for the thing

02:10:43.260 --> 02:10:44.939
that's supposed to get it, which is success.

02:10:45.340 --> 02:10:48.960
So they sacrifice the thing that they want, being

02:10:48.960 --> 02:10:51.600
happy in the moment. They make themselves miserable

02:10:51.600 --> 02:10:53.699
in order to be able to achieve a thing so that

02:10:53.699 --> 02:10:55.819
when they finally have sufficient success, they

02:10:55.819 --> 02:10:58.000
will allow themselves to be happy. It's like

02:10:58.000 --> 02:10:59.840
a very strange trade. Imagine if you had some

02:10:59.840 --> 02:11:02.079
simultaneous equation and you just crossed off

02:11:02.079 --> 02:11:03.840
success from both sides, you would sort of be

02:11:03.840 --> 02:11:05.600
left with happiness. I think that's unrealistic,

02:11:05.880 --> 02:11:08.430
right? Because we need... social validation from

02:11:08.430 --> 02:11:10.689
people and we want to be recognized we want to

02:11:10.689 --> 02:11:12.430
do stuff and we've got to put food on the table

02:11:12.430 --> 02:11:15.270
and social creatures and all the rest of it but

02:11:15.270 --> 02:11:19.369
i think videos like that are really important

02:11:19.369 --> 02:11:21.449
for people to see when they look up to someone

02:11:21.449 --> 02:11:25.909
about how much there is there at the end of the

02:11:25.909 --> 02:11:29.890
rainbow like uh elon was on lex's show a couple

02:11:29.890 --> 02:11:32.189
of years ago and i think lex asked him some question

02:11:32.189 --> 02:11:34.430
like how are you doing he replied and he said

02:11:34.430 --> 02:11:37.350
people think they want to be me They do not want

02:11:37.350 --> 02:11:39.409
to be me. They don't know. They don't understand.

02:11:39.710 --> 02:11:42.210
My mind is a storm. I'm like, that's the price

02:11:42.210 --> 02:11:45.109
you need to pay to be Elon Musk. I think that

02:11:45.109 --> 02:11:47.470
was on this podcast. Was it this one? Yeah, because

02:11:47.470 --> 02:11:50.630
I asked him, what is it like to be you? He's

02:11:50.630 --> 02:11:52.989
like, you wouldn't want to do it. You wouldn't

02:11:52.989 --> 02:11:56.090
want to be me. And you could tell when you're

02:11:56.090 --> 02:12:00.270
in his eyes. It's not a normal thought process.

02:12:00.810 --> 02:12:04.699
It's like this chaotic. tornado of ideas that's

02:12:04.699 --> 02:12:06.939
running around in his head. You know, and sometimes

02:12:06.939 --> 02:12:08.960
he spits them out on Twitter and they're not

02:12:08.960 --> 02:12:11.720
good. Well, it's a problem when you're on the

02:12:11.720 --> 02:12:13.300
platform, right? It's kind of like, I can say

02:12:13.300 --> 02:12:15.159
what I want. It's my own house. Well, he can,

02:12:15.319 --> 02:12:17.640
though. But he's like that all the time. He's

02:12:17.640 --> 02:12:21.319
fun. He's like what I would want to see from

02:12:21.319 --> 02:12:24.260
a guy who's a super genius. Like a playful guy

02:12:24.260 --> 02:12:28.000
who wants to go to Mars, who's making... Jamie

02:12:28.000 --> 02:12:30.939
and I went on a tour of Starship, Starbase. What

02:12:30.939 --> 02:12:34.020
is it? SpaceX, Starbase, whatever the fuck it

02:12:34.020 --> 02:12:37.000
is. We saw the launch. We went to the SpaceX

02:12:37.000 --> 02:12:40.140
launch. And so we got a tour of the rocket factory,

02:12:40.279 --> 02:12:43.500
which is fucking insane. It's so much more insane

02:12:43.500 --> 02:12:45.500
than I thought it was going to be. I mean, I

02:12:45.500 --> 02:12:47.300
can't really, I don't know how much we could

02:12:47.300 --> 02:12:51.409
even say, but it is nuts. It's nuts. And the

02:12:51.409 --> 02:12:53.850
sheer quantity of rockets that they're making

02:12:53.850 --> 02:12:57.409
is mind -blowing. You're like, I thought they

02:12:57.409 --> 02:13:00.010
had a couple rockets. Just a couple rockets laying

02:13:00.010 --> 02:13:02.270
around. They're just making rockets. I'm pretty

02:13:02.270 --> 02:13:05.510
sure they've put more stuff into space, just

02:13:05.510 --> 02:13:09.229
that one company, than the entirety of the load

02:13:09.229 --> 02:13:11.970
that's been transported into space globally up

02:13:11.970 --> 02:13:13.869
until now. They put stuff in space for their

02:13:13.869 --> 02:13:18.300
competitors. Yeah, they use their space rockets

02:13:18.300 --> 02:13:20.979
to put stuff in space for people that they're

02:13:20.979 --> 02:13:23.460
in competition with. Yeah, they take the money.

02:13:23.520 --> 02:13:24.479
Show me the color of your money. Yeah, we know

02:13:24.479 --> 02:13:26.180
how to do it. We're better at it than you, so

02:13:26.180 --> 02:13:28.159
we'll do it. Fucking unbelievable, dude. It's

02:13:28.159 --> 02:13:32.260
kind of nuts. I think about the sort of person

02:13:32.260 --> 02:13:33.619
you need to be to drive that, though. It's a

02:13:33.619 --> 02:13:35.680
different kind of person, right? That's what

02:13:35.680 --> 02:13:37.880
he wants to do. That's what he desires to do.

02:13:38.300 --> 02:13:43.000
And this gentleman talking about golf, this is

02:13:43.000 --> 02:13:45.970
a different... That's a totally different thing

02:13:45.970 --> 02:13:50.010
because he's in a competition all the time. And

02:13:50.010 --> 02:13:53.369
it's really hard to just enjoy the process when

02:13:53.369 --> 02:13:55.449
you're in this competition where especially if

02:13:55.449 --> 02:13:58.170
your livelihood depends upon a very specific

02:13:58.170 --> 02:14:00.850
result. Like you have to be better at this thing

02:14:00.850 --> 02:14:03.930
than everybody else. Not just do the best yourself

02:14:03.930 --> 02:14:07.189
but better than the other people that are also

02:14:07.189 --> 02:14:09.510
doing their best. So you're in this constant

02:14:09.510 --> 02:14:14.939
just never escaping this process. Fighters feel

02:14:14.939 --> 02:14:16.779
that, I think, more than anybody because it's

02:14:16.779 --> 02:14:19.000
like an actual physical person coming to harm

02:14:19.000 --> 02:14:21.539
you all the time. And you're very outcome focused.

02:14:21.859 --> 02:14:23.779
Yeah. And so it's all well and good him saying,

02:14:23.920 --> 02:14:27.000
I love the process. I'm a bit of a sicko. I like

02:14:27.000 --> 02:14:30.300
my training, so on and so forth. But it's very

02:14:30.300 --> 02:14:32.420
different saying, I enjoy the process of training

02:14:32.420 --> 02:14:35.409
when you've just won. then I enjoy the process

02:14:35.409 --> 02:14:37.229
of training when you've just come second or fifth

02:14:37.229 --> 02:14:39.789
or 20th. Right. And especially if you're laid

02:14:39.789 --> 02:14:42.210
out flat on the canvas. Yeah, especially that.

02:14:42.369 --> 02:14:44.590
If that's your humiliation. There's also the

02:14:44.590 --> 02:14:46.489
damage that was just done to you where you really

02:14:46.489 --> 02:14:49.510
might not be the same again. And there's certain

02:14:49.510 --> 02:14:52.350
fighters that you could point to one fight and

02:14:52.350 --> 02:14:55.649
they never recovered from it. Yeah. Meldrick

02:14:55.649 --> 02:14:58.409
Taylor versus Julio Cesar Chavez is my personal

02:14:58.409 --> 02:15:01.550
one that I always point to because Julio Cesar

02:15:01.550 --> 02:15:04.289
Chavez knocked him out with like, I think it

02:15:04.289 --> 02:15:06.170
was like a couple seconds left in the last round.

02:15:07.010 --> 02:15:08.430
Stopped him. And it was a fight that Meldrick

02:15:08.430 --> 02:15:10.329
Taylor was winning a decision. But Julio Cesar

02:15:10.329 --> 02:15:12.010
Chavez was wearing him down. He was one of the

02:15:12.010 --> 02:15:13.989
greatest of all time, just ripping the body,

02:15:14.090 --> 02:15:16.130
constantly attacking him. And eventually broke

02:15:16.130 --> 02:15:18.149
him down, had him in a corner, boom, dropped

02:15:18.149 --> 02:15:20.789
him with a right hand. And he got up, and the

02:15:20.789 --> 02:15:23.670
referee called the fight with like a couple of

02:15:23.670 --> 02:15:26.090
seconds to go. And it was a hugely controversial

02:15:26.090 --> 02:15:28.329
call. But then when Meldrick Taylor returned,

02:15:28.529 --> 02:15:30.569
he was never the same again. He started slurring

02:15:30.569 --> 02:15:32.989
his words really badly. So it's a physical issue?

02:15:33.090 --> 02:15:35.050
He's getting knocked out easily. He's getting

02:15:35.050 --> 02:15:37.850
dropped easily. It was gone. It was all gone.

02:15:38.090 --> 02:15:40.550
That fight just took it all out of him. You see

02:15:40.550 --> 02:15:43.710
that? So there's that, too. It's not just you're

02:15:43.710 --> 02:15:45.890
going to lose a golf tournament. You might get

02:15:45.890 --> 02:15:48.090
your brains punched in. Physical repercussions?

02:15:48.310 --> 02:15:51.289
Huge physical repercussions. For a vicious knockout,

02:15:51.329 --> 02:15:54.180
huge. Some guys are never the same again. And

02:15:54.180 --> 02:15:56.779
much more likely to get knocked out again once

02:15:56.779 --> 02:15:59.300
they get knocked out really badly. Who do you

02:15:59.300 --> 02:16:02.279
think of all of the people that you know has

02:16:02.279 --> 02:16:05.399
got the right balance of is successful and is

02:16:05.399 --> 02:16:08.220
also having fun at the same time? Because it

02:16:08.220 --> 02:16:09.920
seems like that's a trade that a lot of people

02:16:09.920 --> 02:16:14.789
can make where they are. but they sacrifice their

02:16:14.789 --> 02:16:17.050
happiness or they're kind of happy but they're

02:16:17.050 --> 02:16:19.189
not pursuing external successes in the same way?

02:16:19.289 --> 02:16:20.729
I would say comedians. I would say Chappelle.

02:16:20.949 --> 02:16:22.789
Chappelle's probably the most successful guy

02:16:22.789 --> 02:16:25.090
that's genuinely happy. I mean, he certainly

02:16:25.090 --> 02:16:27.930
has a lot of moments and deep thought, but when

02:16:27.930 --> 02:16:30.069
you're hanging around with him, he's a lovely

02:16:30.069 --> 02:16:35.229
person. He's a happy, lovely guy. He's so sweet

02:16:35.229 --> 02:16:39.670
and so smart and so self -deprecating and interesting

02:16:39.670 --> 02:16:44.049
and so great at what he does, When you're hanging

02:16:44.049 --> 02:16:47.409
out with him, it's just a hang. He's just having

02:16:47.409 --> 02:16:50.229
fun, laughing a lot, got a great crew. He always

02:16:50.229 --> 02:16:55.190
keeps his circle tight with cool people and just

02:16:55.190 --> 02:16:57.290
has a great time. Have you deconstructed what

02:16:57.290 --> 02:16:58.930
that is, like what the contributing elements

02:16:58.930 --> 02:17:03.370
are? I think he's doing it. Well, he's a very

02:17:03.370 --> 02:17:06.629
unusual person, right? So you're talking about...

02:17:06.790 --> 02:17:09.469
Dave Chappelle, when Chappelle's show was the

02:17:09.469 --> 02:17:12.850
number one comedy in the country, it was the

02:17:12.850 --> 02:17:14.430
greatest sketch show. I think it was the greatest

02:17:14.430 --> 02:17:16.969
sketch show of all time. And it was only two

02:17:16.969 --> 02:17:19.969
seasons, right? And then they offered him an

02:17:19.969 --> 02:17:21.530
enormous amount of money. I think it was $50

02:17:21.530 --> 02:17:24.489
million. And they wanted to change a bunch of

02:17:24.489 --> 02:17:26.270
stuff. They wanted him to stop saying certain

02:17:26.270 --> 02:17:28.149
words. They wanted him to stop doing this, stop

02:17:28.149 --> 02:17:30.870
doing that. And he didn't like it. And so he

02:17:30.870 --> 02:17:34.600
said, I quit. And he went to Africa. And just

02:17:34.600 --> 02:17:36.799
fucking hung out in Africa. And then came back.

02:17:36.819 --> 02:17:38.399
When he came back, he stopped doing stand -up.

02:17:38.500 --> 02:17:41.620
He would do stand -up. I remember one time he

02:17:41.620 --> 02:17:45.879
did stand -up in a park in Seattle. So he showed

02:17:45.879 --> 02:17:50.000
up. He had little speakers with him and a microphone

02:17:50.000 --> 02:17:52.100
and just did stand -up for free to these people.

02:17:52.159 --> 02:17:54.780
Just hung out in Seattle. Just did stand -up.

02:17:55.129 --> 02:17:57.930
And he would do stuff like that, show up places

02:17:57.930 --> 02:17:59.989
and just do stand -up occasionally. I mean for

02:17:59.989 --> 02:18:04.510
10 fucking years. He was like a monk on a walkabout.

02:18:05.430 --> 02:18:09.510
How did he stay sharp? Well, I don't think he

02:18:09.510 --> 02:18:11.530
ever stopped thinking about things the same way.

02:18:11.930 --> 02:18:14.430
And he wasn't as sharp when he came back. There's

02:18:14.430 --> 02:18:17.530
one famous video from him in Hartford, Connecticut

02:18:17.530 --> 02:18:19.610
where he bombed. I always tell people stay out

02:18:19.610 --> 02:18:24.569
of Connecticut. That's not the point. It's like,

02:18:24.590 --> 02:18:27.049
you know, I think England's depressed. But the

02:18:27.049 --> 02:18:30.610
point was then eventually he started touring

02:18:30.610 --> 02:18:34.030
regularly, got it all back, plus then some, and

02:18:34.030 --> 02:18:36.930
then is now widely regarded as, if not the greatest

02:18:36.930 --> 02:18:39.049
of all time, he's in the consideration. There's

02:18:39.049 --> 02:18:43.090
like Pryor, him, Murphy, Kinison, Lenny Bruce.

02:18:43.789 --> 02:18:45.809
Carlin for some. There's like a bunch of different

02:18:45.809 --> 02:18:47.409
people that you put into like the greatest of

02:18:47.409 --> 02:18:49.229
all time. And Dave is certainly in that group.

02:18:49.329 --> 02:18:51.549
But he's very happy. He's a happy guy. I mean,

02:18:51.569 --> 02:18:54.489
certainly there's cultural issues that trouble

02:18:54.489 --> 02:18:57.729
him and life issues that everybody goes through

02:18:57.729 --> 02:19:01.129
that trouble him. But genuinely a pretty balanced

02:19:01.129 --> 02:19:04.209
guy for someone who's ultra successful. But he's

02:19:04.209 --> 02:19:06.559
not stepping outside of his lane either. What

02:19:06.559 --> 02:19:09.139
he's really concentrating on and almost exclusively

02:19:09.139 --> 02:19:12.000
concentrating on is doing stand -up comedy. And

02:19:12.000 --> 02:19:14.260
he will travel. He would get in a jet and fly

02:19:14.260 --> 02:19:16.840
to New York unannounced and just show up at clubs

02:19:16.840 --> 02:19:20.079
and start doing stand -up. And he's done this

02:19:20.079 --> 02:19:24.379
forever. One time I was in Colorado, and I've

02:19:24.379 --> 02:19:26.760
known Dave forever. I met Dave when he was, like,

02:19:26.799 --> 02:19:29.899
19, and I was, like, I guess I was, like, 23

02:19:29.899 --> 02:19:33.079
or 24. We were both very young. And even back

02:19:33.079 --> 02:19:35.459
then, I was like, this kid is so talented. It

02:19:35.459 --> 02:19:38.860
was remarkable how poised he was on stage as

02:19:38.860 --> 02:19:43.819
a 19 -year -old kid. He will just show up places.

02:19:44.120 --> 02:19:46.459
I was in Colorado doing stand -up. I was at the

02:19:46.459 --> 02:19:49.379
Comedy Works. I get off stage. It was on a Friday

02:19:49.379 --> 02:19:51.399
night. I go into the green room, and Dave's there.

02:19:52.000 --> 02:19:54.100
He doesn't live in Colorado. He just flew to

02:19:54.100 --> 02:19:55.700
Colorado because he knew I was going to be there,

02:19:55.739 --> 02:19:59.930
and he wanted to do comedy. I go, do you want

02:19:59.930 --> 02:20:01.870
to do a set? He goes, should I? I go, yes. I

02:20:01.870 --> 02:20:04.409
go, hold on. So I went back on stage. The show

02:20:04.409 --> 02:20:07.549
was over. I go, everybody, yell at the people

02:20:07.549 --> 02:20:10.329
that are on the stairs to come back. Dave Chappelle

02:20:10.329 --> 02:20:12.870
is here. And half the crowd had already, like,

02:20:12.870 --> 02:20:15.469
got up and left. They all come back. Everyone.

02:20:15.569 --> 02:20:17.149
Everyone tells everyone they're yelling up the

02:20:17.149 --> 02:20:19.309
stairs. Dave Chappelle's here. Come back. I bring

02:20:19.309 --> 02:20:21.190
him on stage. Everybody goes crazy. And he does,

02:20:21.229 --> 02:20:23.729
like, 45 minutes. Just fucking around. It was

02:20:23.729 --> 02:20:26.129
back in the grab him by the pussy days. So he

02:20:26.129 --> 02:20:28.129
had this whole, like, he said, grab him by the

02:20:28.129 --> 02:20:30.229
pussy. This whole bit, like it just happened

02:20:30.229 --> 02:20:32.569
that week. And he had this like giant, and he

02:20:32.569 --> 02:20:35.170
just wanted to just go places and do comedy.

02:20:35.229 --> 02:20:37.409
So he's not doing it for money, right? He's not

02:20:37.409 --> 02:20:39.590
getting paid to do this show. He would show up

02:20:39.590 --> 02:20:40.909
in New York. He's not getting paid to do the

02:20:40.909 --> 02:20:42.549
stand or whatever these clubs that he just shows

02:20:42.549 --> 02:20:44.770
up in. He's just working. He's just working on

02:20:44.770 --> 02:20:48.709
the craft of comedy. So his mindset is not. try

02:20:48.709 --> 02:20:50.889
to make the most amount of money with stand -up

02:20:50.889 --> 02:20:52.250
because if he was doing that he would do an arena

02:20:52.250 --> 02:20:54.389
every night right but he could he could do an

02:20:54.389 --> 02:20:56.190
arena every night of the week all over the world

02:20:56.190 --> 02:20:59.299
and make way more money But that's not what he's

02:20:59.299 --> 02:21:01.340
doing. What he's doing is working on the craft

02:21:01.340 --> 02:21:03.760
of comedy. He has plenty of money, right? He

02:21:03.760 --> 02:21:05.600
has all this money from all these Netflix specials.

02:21:05.600 --> 02:21:07.319
They pay him an exorbitant amount of money. And

02:21:07.319 --> 02:21:08.920
he makes all this money when he does do the big

02:21:08.920 --> 02:21:11.100
shows. So he's got plenty of money. So it's not

02:21:11.100 --> 02:21:13.979
money. It's just the craft. It's just the art,

02:21:14.100 --> 02:21:16.840
the new set, the new bits, the new thing. He

02:21:16.840 --> 02:21:19.940
has a guy who films all of his sets. So he's

02:21:19.940 --> 02:21:22.440
got, like, a guy there filming every one of his

02:21:22.440 --> 02:21:24.719
sets, and then they break them down. Like, this

02:21:24.719 --> 02:21:27.000
rant, that rant. Because he'll, like, ask questions

02:21:27.000 --> 02:21:28.620
to people in the audience. He'll do like an hour

02:21:28.620 --> 02:21:30.780
and a half on stage just fucking around with

02:21:30.780 --> 02:21:33.500
a small crowd somewhere But there's a gem in

02:21:33.500 --> 02:21:36.239
there somewhere and then they take that gem and

02:21:36.239 --> 02:21:38.819
then they hit it and expands upon it He'll go

02:21:38.819 --> 02:21:41.059
over it and break it down. So his process is

02:21:41.059 --> 02:21:44.459
all just about the art And I think because of

02:21:44.459 --> 02:21:47.420
that the love of the art is what keeps him happy

02:21:48.329 --> 02:21:50.370
I think if it's just the love of the money and

02:21:50.370 --> 02:21:52.149
you're constantly keeping score, who's the number

02:21:52.149 --> 02:21:53.950
one touring act? And you're looking at the fucking

02:21:53.950 --> 02:21:56.590
Ticketmaster. Oh, Jesus Christ. Kevin Hart's

02:21:56.590 --> 02:21:59.510
got me beat. Son of a bitch. I got to do two

02:21:59.510 --> 02:22:02.030
shows a night now. Yeah, let's matinate. Yeah,

02:22:02.090 --> 02:22:04.309
people get nutty. They get nutty. And they really

02:22:04.309 --> 02:22:06.329
do get themselves. You see it in the podcast

02:22:06.329 --> 02:22:09.209
world as well. People really get obsessed with

02:22:09.209 --> 02:22:12.409
the number of the rankings and like who's making

02:22:12.409 --> 02:22:17.260
more and who's doing this. Just do what you do.

02:22:17.440 --> 02:22:19.399
The problem that you're going to come up against

02:22:19.399 --> 02:22:25.280
there is you are going to try and trade the outcome

02:22:25.280 --> 02:22:27.040
that you're looking for for the fuel that gets

02:22:27.040 --> 02:22:28.500
you there. The fuel that gets you there is how

02:22:28.500 --> 02:22:31.340
much you love what you're doing. That's what

02:22:31.340 --> 02:22:33.680
gets you to the dance. Correct. I've been thinking

02:22:33.680 --> 02:22:36.559
so much about the shame of simple pleasures.

02:22:39.159 --> 02:22:40.920
quote from a guy called Visakan Varasamy that

02:22:40.920 --> 02:22:44.120
says, I have not yet grown wise enough to deeply

02:22:44.120 --> 02:22:47.719
enjoy simple things. And I just love the idea

02:22:47.719 --> 02:22:51.040
of it, that most of us are kind of terrible accountants

02:22:51.040 --> 02:22:54.379
of our own joy, that we only accept deposits

02:22:54.379 --> 02:22:56.780
when the transaction's large enough, right? The

02:22:56.780 --> 02:22:58.639
day that we get married or the night that we

02:22:58.639 --> 02:23:00.500
play the main stage at Glastonbury or sell out

02:23:00.500 --> 02:23:04.239
the arena, anything less than that, and it doesn't

02:23:04.239 --> 02:23:07.360
even make the ledger. So we treat small pleasures.

02:23:08.090 --> 02:23:11.629
like counterfeit currency. And we think like,

02:23:11.709 --> 02:23:17.209
we have a kind of, not disgust, but rejection

02:23:17.209 --> 02:23:23.069
of, oh, that small thing made your week. That

02:23:23.069 --> 02:23:26.149
tiny incident made your day. You must not have

02:23:26.149 --> 02:23:29.709
a lot going on. Like how weak and how small must

02:23:29.709 --> 02:23:33.110
your life be that seeing a cute golden retriever

02:23:33.110 --> 02:23:35.190
this afternoon was like a fucking sick part of

02:23:35.190 --> 02:23:39.639
your day. And I think about Scotty Scheffler

02:23:39.639 --> 02:23:43.059
as a good example, him making it all the way

02:23:43.059 --> 02:23:45.079
to the top. And if all that you were doing was

02:23:45.079 --> 02:23:47.440
waiting for that final moment, for this main

02:23:47.440 --> 02:23:48.879
stage at Glastonbury, day that I get married,

02:23:48.959 --> 02:23:51.180
sell the business for $500 million, whatever,

02:23:51.360 --> 02:23:56.559
you are forgetting almost all of the journey

02:23:56.559 --> 02:23:58.540
and then just cashing in at the destination.

02:23:58.899 --> 02:24:00.620
And there's the guy that's just won everything

02:24:00.620 --> 02:24:03.420
in all of fucking golf, like the goat of right

02:24:03.420 --> 02:24:06.750
now, is saying, it's fleeting. Yeah. It's really,

02:24:06.809 --> 02:24:08.770
really short. It's not going to last for very

02:24:08.770 --> 02:24:13.829
long. And that shame that people have, I certainly

02:24:13.829 --> 02:24:16.090
know that I do as well, that it almost feels

02:24:16.090 --> 02:24:17.969
like a reflection on the smallness of my life

02:24:17.969 --> 02:24:21.229
if I take pleasure in little things. When you

02:24:21.229 --> 02:24:22.750
take pleasure in little things, you don't just

02:24:22.750 --> 02:24:24.590
get more of them. You get them right now. You

02:24:24.590 --> 02:24:26.629
don't need to wait. You don't need to be a fucking

02:24:26.629 --> 02:24:28.670
world champion at winning the marshmallow test,

02:24:28.870 --> 02:24:31.010
just delaying gratification so long that you

02:24:31.010 --> 02:24:32.629
never actually end up getting any gratification.

02:24:33.049 --> 02:24:36.770
Yeah. The problem with that thought process is

02:24:36.770 --> 02:24:42.350
to achieve true greatness, you must be mad. Madness

02:24:42.350 --> 02:24:46.719
and greatness are inextricably connected. You

02:24:46.719 --> 02:24:51.159
can't separate them. To get true greatness, there

02:24:51.159 --> 02:24:55.299
has to be some demons. There has to be a mad

02:24:55.299 --> 02:24:58.459
struggle in your mind. And you have to want it

02:24:58.459 --> 02:25:02.340
so badly. You have to want that result so badly

02:25:02.340 --> 02:25:05.399
that you are willing to put in more time, more

02:25:05.399 --> 02:25:10.319
effort, more focus, more hours. And you don't

02:25:10.319 --> 02:25:13.479
get to smell the roses, man. You don't get to

02:25:13.479 --> 02:25:16.079
pet the puppies. You do, but you don't. You're

02:25:16.079 --> 02:25:17.799
petting the puppy thinking about the thing that

02:25:17.799 --> 02:25:19.680
you do, thinking about getting better because

02:25:19.680 --> 02:25:21.940
you need those resources. It's like a demon that

02:25:21.940 --> 02:25:24.459
sort of climbs inside of you and wears you. Yeah.

02:25:24.559 --> 02:25:26.760
You know who Ronnie O'Sullivan is? Yeah, the

02:25:26.760 --> 02:25:29.020
snooker player. Yeah, the greatest of all time.

02:25:29.879 --> 02:25:32.040
There's certain people in certain sports. I'm

02:25:32.040 --> 02:25:33.600
going to send you something, Jamie, so you see

02:25:33.600 --> 02:25:35.340
what a wizard this guy is. I'm actually in the

02:25:35.340 --> 02:25:38.559
middle of his book. My friend Billy Thorpe, who's

02:25:38.559 --> 02:25:41.680
a top flight. pool player, recommended this book.

02:25:41.860 --> 02:25:44.479
Oh, no, I'm sorry. Tyler Styler, who's another

02:25:44.479 --> 02:25:47.299
top flight pool player, like world -class pool

02:25:47.299 --> 02:25:51.940
player, recommended this book. And I started

02:25:51.940 --> 02:25:55.000
the book and I can't stop it. It's so good. How

02:25:55.000 --> 02:25:58.059
old is it? I think it's fairly recent because

02:25:58.059 --> 02:26:02.399
it's post -COVID. I thought it was going – he

02:26:02.399 --> 02:26:05.559
recommended it because of the way Ronnie describes

02:26:05.559 --> 02:26:08.659
picking the perfect cue, like the relationship

02:26:08.659 --> 02:26:11.159
that he has with the cue. But it is so eloquent

02:26:11.159 --> 02:26:15.020
and so – but the story – the whole story, the

02:26:15.020 --> 02:26:18.940
whole book rather, the story of his life is really

02:26:18.940 --> 02:26:26.239
more of – it's an exercise in him trying to explain.

02:26:27.700 --> 02:26:30.299
Like what it's like to be this good and this

02:26:30.299 --> 02:26:33.620
mad like he's a madman like watch this watch

02:26:33.620 --> 02:26:36.040
this watch what he does here This is crazy from

02:26:36.040 --> 02:26:40.899
O'Sullivan Now if you don't know how difficult

02:26:40.899 --> 02:26:42.840
it is to make these balls He doesn't give a shit

02:26:42.840 --> 02:26:44.799
that that guy's in front of them that the referee's

02:26:44.799 --> 02:26:46.600
in front of them watch how quickly he does this

02:26:46.600 --> 02:26:51.540
I mean he's making the audience laugh. He's moving

02:26:51.540 --> 02:26:55.860
around that guy. He can't miss This is the zone

02:26:55.860 --> 02:26:58.639
personified. He gets to a point in this where

02:26:58.639 --> 02:27:00.639
he's feeling so good, he decides to start shooting

02:27:00.639 --> 02:27:04.239
things one -handed. Watch this. Watch this. One

02:27:04.239 --> 02:27:06.799
-handed. Now he's doing it one -handed. One -handed.

02:27:06.799 --> 02:27:09.799
These are tiny little pockets. He's shooting

02:27:09.799 --> 02:27:12.159
one -handed with English and getting position.

02:27:12.260 --> 02:27:16.340
Everyone's going crazy. I mean, that's how fucking

02:27:16.340 --> 02:27:22.940
good Ronnie O'Sullivan was. But the book is really

02:27:22.940 --> 02:27:25.930
about managing madness. It's about him being

02:27:25.930 --> 02:27:29.170
sober and now he's – he's kind of taken a lot

02:27:29.170 --> 02:27:31.530
of that insane competitive drive. Now he runs

02:27:31.530 --> 02:27:33.809
like he's a runner, like he runs long distances.

02:27:34.209 --> 02:27:36.129
And he talks about that and meets up with his

02:27:36.129 --> 02:27:37.870
running club and they all get together and go

02:27:37.870 --> 02:27:41.030
on runs together. But it's like – it's just managing

02:27:41.030 --> 02:27:44.350
whatever the fuck that – and he's also describing

02:27:44.350 --> 02:27:47.309
even in his prime. He was saying – he was thinking

02:27:47.309 --> 02:27:49.430
he's worthless. He's thinking he's not good enough.

02:27:49.569 --> 02:27:51.510
He's going to fall apart. He's going to choke.

02:27:51.690 --> 02:27:53.770
He's going to this. He's like all these – demons

02:27:53.770 --> 02:27:55.829
are popping up and meanwhile he's just everybody's

02:27:55.829 --> 02:27:58.649
like terrified of him he shows up it's like oh

02:27:58.649 --> 02:28:00.590
gee the genius is here because he's a genius

02:28:00.590 --> 02:28:03.190
like he's a snooker playing genius there's there's

02:28:03.190 --> 02:28:04.889
something about what he does it's just different

02:28:04.889 --> 02:28:07.889
than everybody else but the book is like it's

02:28:07.889 --> 02:28:10.129
not just about like picking the perfect cue it's

02:28:10.129 --> 02:28:14.190
really about managing madness and everyone who's

02:28:14.190 --> 02:28:18.329
great is fucking crazy there's but you can i

02:28:18.329 --> 02:28:21.680
think Like Chappelle does. You can take that

02:28:21.680 --> 02:28:24.479
greatness and just throw it into the thing you

02:28:24.479 --> 02:28:28.079
do and love it while you're doing it. It doesn't

02:28:28.079 --> 02:28:31.139
have to be a demon. It doesn't have to be an

02:28:31.139 --> 02:28:35.920
adversary. It could be just this romantic affair

02:28:35.920 --> 02:28:38.600
of you being so fortunate to be able to pursue

02:28:38.600 --> 02:28:41.940
this thing, but maintaining that same level of

02:28:41.940 --> 02:28:44.860
enthusiasm. I don't know if the same... level

02:28:44.860 --> 02:28:47.540
of enthusiasm though can be maintained in something

02:28:47.540 --> 02:28:51.219
that has like a winner and a loser like a game

02:28:51.219 --> 02:28:53.639
where there's so much riding on each shot yes

02:28:53.639 --> 02:28:57.819
versus art which is like dave goes to he's already

02:28:57.819 --> 02:29:00.700
won they're gonna they're the show sold out he

02:29:00.700 --> 02:29:02.340
knows how to do comedy he gets out there they

02:29:02.340 --> 02:29:05.360
all cheer he's got great material he can't wait

02:29:05.360 --> 02:29:07.719
to make them laugh he already won Well, that's

02:29:07.719 --> 02:29:11.020
the problem with turning the art into the competition.

02:29:11.120 --> 02:29:13.500
Yeah. She said that, right? The rankings. Well,

02:29:13.600 --> 02:29:15.719
that means that even if I did it and enjoyed

02:29:15.719 --> 02:29:18.799
it, but I'm number three or whatever. Yeah. That's

02:29:18.799 --> 02:29:21.440
horrendous. That's not good. Yeah. There's podcasts

02:29:21.440 --> 02:29:24.459
that. Game the system. So this podcast, they

02:29:24.459 --> 02:29:26.200
release multiple episodes a day, and they're

02:29:26.200 --> 02:29:28.559
short podcasts, so they have more downloads than

02:29:28.559 --> 02:29:32.559
everybody else. And so relatively speaking, you

02:29:32.559 --> 02:29:36.340
know, so it's like a scam. And so, like, they'll

02:29:36.340 --> 02:29:38.420
be very highly ranked, but no one's ever watched

02:29:38.420 --> 02:29:41.059
it or heard of it. I think. But they get quoted

02:29:41.059 --> 02:29:42.860
in magazines as being the number two podcast

02:29:42.860 --> 02:29:44.680
in the world. Oh, dear. But that's really what

02:29:44.680 --> 02:29:46.860
it is. It's like you've figured out a way, which

02:29:46.860 --> 02:29:47.879
there's nothing wrong with that. If you want

02:29:47.879 --> 02:29:51.520
to do that, you can game the system. But it doesn't

02:29:51.520 --> 02:29:54.840
matter. What are you doing? Are you doing something

02:29:54.840 --> 02:29:58.639
that you're putting out? I don't talk to anybody

02:29:58.639 --> 02:30:00.319
that I'm not interested in talking to. That's

02:30:00.319 --> 02:30:02.079
it. It's the only reason why I do this. I talk

02:30:02.079 --> 02:30:04.020
to people that I think will be fun, and I look

02:30:04.020 --> 02:30:06.540
forward to it, and I still do. That's why I do

02:30:06.540 --> 02:30:10.239
it. That's why it continues to work, because

02:30:10.239 --> 02:30:12.659
I do it the same way I've always done it. I just

02:30:12.659 --> 02:30:15.860
talk to people that I like to talk to. No, like,

02:30:16.079 --> 02:30:18.120
oh, if I got that guy on, he's super famous.

02:30:18.260 --> 02:30:20.260
Like, that'll get a big rating. Game of the system.

02:30:20.420 --> 02:30:22.000
Yeah, there's a lot of famous people that I've

02:30:22.000 --> 02:30:23.760
said no to because I'm just not interested in

02:30:23.760 --> 02:30:25.479
them. I'm like, yeah, maybe that'll get a lot

02:30:25.479 --> 02:30:28.579
of people, but I don't want to do that. What

02:30:28.579 --> 02:30:31.959
I've found, the single best determinant for when

02:30:31.959 --> 02:30:35.280
I know that modern wisdom is going well. is if

02:30:35.280 --> 02:30:37.239
I wake up on the morning of the episode and I

02:30:37.239 --> 02:30:39.600
can't wait for it to be 2 p .m. I'm like, fucking

02:30:39.600 --> 02:30:42.100
yes, I get to speak to such and such today. And

02:30:42.100 --> 02:30:44.639
then I finish up and I go, I learned something.

02:30:44.739 --> 02:30:47.520
That was fucking cool. Like that was a good one,

02:30:47.639 --> 02:30:49.379
two, three, four hours. That was a good day.

02:30:50.040 --> 02:30:53.280
And then there's other days when I've like. I

02:30:53.280 --> 02:30:55.319
don't know. I wake up and I just think, I should

02:30:55.319 --> 02:30:57.079
have thought a little bit more about it. I'm

02:30:57.079 --> 02:30:59.440
looking forward to this, but I'm not super fired

02:30:59.440 --> 02:31:01.559
up. And the more that you push away from that

02:31:01.559 --> 02:31:03.659
instinct with whatever you're doing, because

02:31:03.659 --> 02:31:06.139
your instinct is ultimately your only competitive

02:31:06.139 --> 02:31:08.239
advantage that you have because it's the most

02:31:08.239 --> 02:31:10.860
non -fungible thing that you've got. So Douglas

02:31:10.860 --> 02:31:12.559
Murray told me this story. It's a really fascinating

02:31:12.559 --> 02:31:15.420
one about this guy. When Douglas was first on

02:31:15.420 --> 02:31:18.079
the scene. This guy that was the head of the

02:31:18.079 --> 02:31:21.440
paper that he was at accumulated all of the fans

02:31:21.440 --> 02:31:23.780
and all of the foes that you would in an industry

02:31:23.780 --> 02:31:25.979
like that over the space of a couple of decades.

02:31:26.319 --> 02:31:30.899
And he decides that he's going to release a West

02:31:30.899 --> 02:31:33.340
End show about the life of Prince Charles in

02:31:33.340 --> 02:31:40.420
rhyming couplets. Douglas is like, what? Okay,

02:31:40.559 --> 02:31:42.940
well, you know, do you trust him? This guy, this

02:31:42.940 --> 02:31:44.760
illustrious history, so and so, he must know

02:31:44.760 --> 02:31:49.020
what he's doing. And by the opening night interval,

02:31:49.200 --> 02:31:51.659
there is nobody left in the entire auditorium,

02:31:51.659 --> 02:31:54.639
including the cast. Everybody's left. And this

02:31:54.639 --> 02:31:57.239
guy is dejected and all of the people, all of

02:31:57.239 --> 02:31:58.540
the enemies that he's accumulated throughout

02:31:58.540 --> 02:32:01.139
his career, they start sharpening the knives

02:32:01.139 --> 02:32:02.799
and they come out and he's just despondent. He's

02:32:02.799 --> 02:32:06.260
like so, so sad. Douglas sees him a couple of

02:32:06.260 --> 02:32:08.079
weeks later and he goes, what were you thinking?

02:32:08.180 --> 02:32:12.159
Fucking West End show about the life of Prince

02:32:12.159 --> 02:32:14.399
Charles in rhyming couplets. What were you thinking?

02:32:14.899 --> 02:32:18.540
He said, Douglas, I followed my instincts. And

02:32:18.540 --> 02:32:20.780
the thing is, instincts, they may sometimes lead

02:32:20.780 --> 02:32:22.760
you wrong, but they're the only thing that's

02:32:22.760 --> 02:32:26.459
ever led you right. And I thought, that's such

02:32:26.459 --> 02:32:31.200
a cool insight about, yes, you're going to make

02:32:31.200 --> 02:32:33.559
some errors if you follow that, and maybe you

02:32:33.559 --> 02:32:36.799
need a team around you or a friend to go, ah,

02:32:37.159 --> 02:32:41.120
not with that one. But. Right. You just going,

02:32:41.200 --> 02:32:43.100
I think this guy's interesting. I think this

02:32:43.100 --> 02:32:44.819
girl's interesting. I think this topic's important,

02:32:45.040 --> 02:32:46.700
and I'm going to talk about it. Maybe he just

02:32:46.700 --> 02:32:48.920
did a bad job. Like, look at Hamilton. They did

02:32:48.920 --> 02:32:51.079
a rap about Alexander Hamilton. It's fucking

02:32:51.079 --> 02:32:53.959
huge. Okay, yeah, so the delivery of the thing.

02:32:53.959 --> 02:32:55.579
You might have the great idea, but the delivery

02:32:55.579 --> 02:32:57.940
is wrong. Yeah. Yeah, that's an interesting one.

02:32:58.120 --> 02:33:00.579
Totally. If you think about Hamilton, like Hamilton

02:33:00.579 --> 02:33:04.559
is a great example. That play is gigantic. It's

02:33:04.559 --> 02:33:06.559
on Netflix now. And it keeps on crushing. Yeah,

02:33:06.600 --> 02:33:08.860
it's killing it. Yeah. And it's so preposterous

02:33:08.860 --> 02:33:12.280
if you think about it. They're talking in modern

02:33:12.280 --> 02:33:16.299
language about a guy who lived hundreds of years

02:33:16.299 --> 02:33:17.879
ago. That doesn't even make any sense. They have

02:33:17.879 --> 02:33:19.620
black people playing white people. This is going

02:33:19.620 --> 02:33:22.440
to be weird. It's great. It's fucking great.

02:33:22.600 --> 02:33:25.139
Where do you think that drive comes from in people?

02:33:25.239 --> 02:33:27.840
You know, that demon thing. Is there a common

02:33:27.840 --> 02:33:29.680
thread that you've seen with the people that

02:33:29.680 --> 02:33:33.540
have got it? Yeah. Most of them had unhappy childhoods.

02:33:34.059 --> 02:33:37.280
Yeah. It's very rare that someone has like the

02:33:37.280 --> 02:33:40.959
best in the world demon and their childhood was

02:33:40.959 --> 02:33:45.139
awesome. It's very rare. Generally speaking,

02:33:45.299 --> 02:33:48.219
there's something there. Something, some loss,

02:33:48.659 --> 02:33:54.120
some trauma, something not good. Some lack of

02:33:54.120 --> 02:33:57.600
what you needed when you were young. You didn't

02:33:57.600 --> 02:34:01.469
get it. And then you're like. I'm going to fucking

02:34:01.469 --> 02:34:03.309
show everybody. Like Mike Tyson, maybe the best

02:34:03.309 --> 02:34:06.010
example of that ever. Like for a period of time,

02:34:06.030 --> 02:34:07.889
the scariest heavyweight that ever walked the

02:34:07.889 --> 02:34:10.770
face of the planet and redefined the heavyweight

02:34:10.770 --> 02:34:13.680
division in modern boxing. And, you know, he

02:34:13.680 --> 02:34:16.260
was 13 years old when Customato had adopted him,

02:34:16.319 --> 02:34:18.739
and his life was hell before that. It was hell.

02:34:18.840 --> 02:34:22.180
It was no love. It was crime and being around

02:34:22.180 --> 02:34:24.459
the worst people. And then all of a sudden he's

02:34:24.459 --> 02:34:28.059
in the Catskills with this guy who's a psychologist

02:34:28.059 --> 02:34:30.319
and one of the greatest boxing coaches of all

02:34:30.319 --> 02:34:33.719
time and also a hypnotist. and is hypnotizing

02:34:33.719 --> 02:34:35.879
him on a regular basis when he's 13 years old

02:34:35.879 --> 02:34:39.600
and teaches him to be the best. And so then he's

02:34:39.600 --> 02:34:42.020
got this, I will show you that I'm worth something.

02:34:42.159 --> 02:34:44.459
I will show you that I'm special. There's one

02:34:44.459 --> 02:34:46.680
thing that I'm good at, and that is separating

02:34:46.680 --> 02:34:49.440
men from their consciousness, finding a way to

02:34:49.440 --> 02:34:52.000
get in touch with them, get close enough, and

02:34:52.000 --> 02:34:55.159
launching, launching bombs and watching them

02:34:55.159 --> 02:34:58.430
drop. And he was the best at it. And it was,

02:34:58.450 --> 02:35:01.430
I think, the drive to be the best. It has to

02:35:01.430 --> 02:35:04.190
come from some, there's got to be something wrong

02:35:04.190 --> 02:35:08.469
where you have that fire inside of you. I love

02:35:08.469 --> 02:35:11.190
thinking about this. I think it's been the question

02:35:11.190 --> 02:35:12.709
that I've probably been the most obsessed by

02:35:12.709 --> 02:35:15.049
since doing the show, the price that people pay

02:35:15.049 --> 02:35:18.709
to be somebody that you admire. And I think it's

02:35:18.709 --> 02:35:23.010
just endlessly interesting. So one thing that

02:35:23.010 --> 02:35:25.729
comes to mind there is Do you know what the fundamental

02:35:25.729 --> 02:35:28.129
attribution error is? It's like we attribute

02:35:28.129 --> 02:35:32.329
to other people motive for their action. It's

02:35:32.329 --> 02:35:34.510
like their character. But for us, it's situation.

02:35:34.809 --> 02:35:37.229
So for instance, I cut you off in traffic because

02:35:37.229 --> 02:35:39.350
I'm late for work. You cut me off in traffic

02:35:39.350 --> 02:35:41.649
because you're a dick. Right. So we have this

02:35:41.649 --> 02:35:44.489
asymmetry in how we judge other people's behaviors

02:35:44.489 --> 02:35:47.290
as opposed to our own. I think that there's an

02:35:47.290 --> 02:35:49.530
equivalent here when we think about... Our parents.

02:35:49.950 --> 02:35:52.670
So you could call it the fundamental parental

02:35:52.670 --> 02:35:57.729
attribution error, maybe, which would be we attribute

02:35:57.729 --> 02:36:01.229
to our parents our shortcomings, but not necessarily

02:36:01.229 --> 02:36:03.969
our strengths. Right. So we're very happy. Like

02:36:03.969 --> 02:36:06.469
modern pop psychology, it's like a rite of passage

02:36:06.469 --> 02:36:10.030
to lay at the feet of our parents. I've got anxious

02:36:10.030 --> 02:36:12.389
attachment because nobody ever came to look after

02:36:12.389 --> 02:36:16.739
me. You go, yeah, maybe. But also. Isn't this

02:36:16.739 --> 02:36:18.299
the reason that your hypervigilance means that

02:36:18.299 --> 02:36:20.420
no one ever gets to take advantage of you? It's

02:36:20.420 --> 02:36:24.579
like, I am unable to relax and chill out because

02:36:24.579 --> 02:36:28.159
love was always predicated on me performing.

02:36:28.280 --> 02:36:31.020
It's like, yes, but also it's driven you to be

02:36:31.020 --> 02:36:33.299
an incredibly successful person. And I think

02:36:33.299 --> 02:36:36.809
we should just be a little bit cautious. when

02:36:36.809 --> 02:36:39.209
laying at the feet of our parents only our shortcomings

02:36:39.209 --> 02:36:41.690
they can either have both you can either say

02:36:41.690 --> 02:36:43.770
that my strengths and my shortcomings come from

02:36:43.770 --> 02:36:45.950
my parents or my strengths and my shortcomings

02:36:45.950 --> 02:36:48.750
come from my own agency but you can't say i authored

02:36:48.750 --> 02:36:51.309
the things that i like about myself but the things

02:36:51.309 --> 02:36:53.329
that i don't like about myself came from some

02:36:53.329 --> 02:36:56.450
like past situation yes yeah victim mentality

02:36:56.450 --> 02:37:02.450
yeah yes yeah yeah yeah and also bad things that

02:37:02.450 --> 02:37:04.620
happened to you when your kid being bullied Being

02:37:04.620 --> 02:37:07.540
bullied is terrible at the time, but it leads

02:37:07.540 --> 02:37:10.319
many a person to say, I'll fucking show you.

02:37:10.520 --> 02:37:14.120
And then you get this incredible result. But

02:37:14.120 --> 02:37:17.680
then the thing is, are you happy? That's the

02:37:17.680 --> 02:37:20.979
real dance. The dance is between success and

02:37:20.979 --> 02:37:23.159
happiness. And a lot of people have achieved

02:37:23.159 --> 02:37:25.680
success but have not achieved happiness, and

02:37:25.680 --> 02:37:27.860
they'll die a loser. Well, that's you sacrificing

02:37:27.860 --> 02:37:29.700
the thing you want for the thing that's supposed

02:37:29.700 --> 02:37:31.219
to get it. And that's why, like, okay, what's

02:37:31.219 --> 02:37:33.360
your definition of success? Interesting question.

02:37:33.680 --> 02:37:35.120
Would you just want to be the best in the world?

02:37:36.180 --> 02:37:40.959
Like, that's not bad. That's not a bad. It's

02:37:40.959 --> 02:37:44.260
this thing we talked about before, too, that

02:37:44.260 --> 02:37:46.159
just because something's difficult doesn't mean

02:37:46.159 --> 02:37:48.270
it's good. And there's a lot of things that you

02:37:48.270 --> 02:37:51.229
do that are very difficult to do. And then you

02:37:51.229 --> 02:37:53.030
see other people have achieved them. You say

02:37:53.030 --> 02:37:55.030
that must be really worthwhile. And then you

02:37:55.030 --> 02:37:56.969
do it and you realize like, oh, this isn't worth

02:37:56.969 --> 02:37:59.270
anything. This is just hard to do. This sucks.

02:38:00.209 --> 02:38:03.329
That's often the case with success. Because if

02:38:03.329 --> 02:38:06.129
you become incredibly successful and then you

02:38:06.129 --> 02:38:08.670
have all these haters and, you know, like the

02:38:08.670 --> 02:38:12.989
guy who wrote the shitty play, like they come

02:38:12.989 --> 02:38:16.329
for you and they want to chop you down. and that's

02:38:16.329 --> 02:38:19.229
part of the game that you're playing. And if

02:38:19.229 --> 02:38:21.170
you don't like that, if you don't like that,

02:38:21.209 --> 02:38:23.610
but then you've gotten trapped in it, and you're

02:38:23.610 --> 02:38:25.469
constantly being attacked, and you listen to

02:38:25.469 --> 02:38:27.629
it, and you pay attention to it. You see it with

02:38:27.629 --> 02:38:29.850
successful people. You see it really with famous

02:38:29.850 --> 02:38:32.190
people, especially young people. They have no

02:38:32.190 --> 02:38:34.149
history with this, and then all of a sudden it's

02:38:34.149 --> 02:38:37.569
just thrown at them, and then they are both the

02:38:37.569 --> 02:38:39.370
thing they wanted and something they would never

02:38:39.370 --> 02:38:43.170
want, which is to be constantly under attack.

02:38:43.590 --> 02:38:47.290
I've thought about... how brutal it must be to

02:38:47.290 --> 02:38:50.450
have the talent but not the constitution to be

02:38:50.450 --> 02:38:53.350
able to handle success and fame so i don't know

02:38:53.350 --> 02:38:55.829
whether you've been tracking uh lewis capaldi

02:38:55.829 --> 02:38:58.389
the scottish singer so there's a great documentary

02:38:58.389 --> 02:39:00.889
on netflix you've got to watch it uh how i'm

02:39:00.889 --> 02:39:02.430
feeling now it's a bit old now it's like maybe

02:39:02.430 --> 02:39:05.170
four or five years old lewis capaldi breaks onto

02:39:05.170 --> 02:39:07.549
the scene unbelievable voice he's been playing

02:39:07.549 --> 02:39:10.270
working men's pubs around scotland and is just

02:39:10.270 --> 02:39:14.469
a fucking phenom right um billions of streams,

02:39:14.670 --> 02:39:16.770
billions and billions of plays, arena tour, global

02:39:16.770 --> 02:39:20.829
tour, all the rest of it, COVID happens. He's

02:39:20.829 --> 02:39:22.950
back in his mum and dad's house near Glasgow

02:39:22.950 --> 02:39:26.549
in Scotland, and he's in the hut out the back

02:39:26.549 --> 02:39:29.190
trying to do the difficult second album. And

02:39:29.190 --> 02:39:31.309
there's the pressure of the world on him. Now,

02:39:31.350 --> 02:39:34.549
he's got the talent, but the pressure from...

02:39:35.409 --> 02:39:38.469
from agencies, from record label, from fans,

02:39:38.709 --> 02:39:41.309
from himself, from his parents, from his peers,

02:39:41.450 --> 02:39:43.649
from everybody, starts to get on him. It weighs

02:39:43.649 --> 02:39:46.729
on him so heavily that he develops a tick. Oh,

02:39:46.729 --> 02:39:49.110
Jesus. Like Tourette's. It turns out he's always

02:39:49.110 --> 02:39:51.170
had Tourette's, but the pressure has caused him

02:39:51.170 --> 02:39:56.350
to, like, he can't perform. And toward the end

02:39:56.350 --> 02:39:58.909
of the documentary, he goes back out on stage

02:39:58.909 --> 02:40:02.590
at the O2 in London. Does the thing walks out

02:40:02.590 --> 02:40:04.229
on stage and he's still doing this and you've

02:40:04.229 --> 02:40:05.610
tracked this whole journey. This is toward the

02:40:05.610 --> 02:40:09.930
end And he can't get his words out This is his

02:40:09.930 --> 02:40:13.870
calling in life. This is what he was built to

02:40:13.870 --> 02:40:17.190
do This is what he was made for and his talent

02:40:17.190 --> 02:40:20.290
has been taken away from him By the pressure

02:40:20.290 --> 02:40:22.329
of trying to do the thing not by his inability

02:40:22.329 --> 02:40:25.090
to do the thing And this is such a fucking unique

02:40:25.090 --> 02:40:29.180
kind of hell I think about fighters that have

02:40:29.180 --> 02:40:32.100
performance anxiety that just can't get themselves

02:40:32.100 --> 02:40:35.600
into the octagon with the lights on them. Put

02:40:35.600 --> 02:40:38.399
them in the training camp. They're sparring.

02:40:38.540 --> 02:40:40.379
There's not that same amount of pressure. Not

02:40:40.379 --> 02:40:45.040
yet. And they're unbelievable. And Lewis Capaldi

02:40:45.040 --> 02:40:47.639
did Glastonbury, I think, two years ago. And

02:40:47.639 --> 02:40:50.239
the same thing happened. Comes out on stage and

02:40:50.239 --> 02:40:53.020
basically... i can't sing he can't you're hearing

02:40:53.020 --> 02:40:54.840
these little croaks and squeaks come out of him

02:40:54.840 --> 02:40:57.680
and then this year he comes back out he's done

02:40:57.680 --> 02:41:00.459
a ton of mindfulness got his health in order

02:41:00.459 --> 02:41:04.520
mental health work therapy comes out and just

02:41:04.520 --> 02:41:08.280
fucking destroys it oh wow dude it's like it

02:41:08.280 --> 02:41:10.940
makes the hairs on my arm stand up it's so fucking

02:41:10.940 --> 02:41:13.639
cool wow that's awesome that's a great story

02:41:13.639 --> 02:41:16.190
that's what i like to see I like to see someone

02:41:16.190 --> 02:41:17.989
who fucks their whole life up and gets it back

02:41:17.989 --> 02:41:21.030
together again. I love that. I really do. Because

02:41:21.030 --> 02:41:24.549
I think that's what people really root for. They

02:41:24.549 --> 02:41:26.690
really root for you to get it back together again.

02:41:26.790 --> 02:41:29.069
What they don't root for is once you're on top,

02:41:29.149 --> 02:41:31.329
like staying on top. They like you to fall. Yeah,

02:41:31.370 --> 02:41:35.409
that's a little too much. Well, I mean, I think

02:41:35.409 --> 02:41:38.450
especially with... With what most people feel,

02:41:38.590 --> 02:41:40.229
they want to see a little bit of themselves in

02:41:40.229 --> 02:41:41.809
that story. And they want to see a little bit

02:41:41.809 --> 02:41:43.950
of struggle. Right. And they also know that they've

02:41:43.950 --> 02:41:45.350
fucked up their life. Because everybody's fucked

02:41:45.350 --> 02:41:47.049
up their life at some point in time. Redemption.

02:41:47.250 --> 02:41:50.649
Yes. If this person can be there and lose it

02:41:50.649 --> 02:41:53.270
and then come back. Maybe I can get my shit together.

02:41:53.510 --> 02:41:55.430
That's the problem. As a 42 -year -old alcoholic.

02:41:56.209 --> 02:41:58.090
Yeah. Maybe you're not going to be Lewis Capaldi.

02:41:58.610 --> 02:42:01.450
Maybe you are. Maybe you're Oliver Anthony. You

02:42:01.450 --> 02:42:03.870
know, Churchill didn't get into power until he

02:42:03.870 --> 02:42:09.200
was 65. Wow. all of my life up until now would

02:42:09.200 --> 02:42:12.459
be less than two -thirds of the warm -up set

02:42:12.459 --> 02:42:16.500
for Churchill starting his thing. Right. So I

02:42:16.500 --> 02:42:18.459
just, you never know sort of when this stuff's

02:42:18.459 --> 02:42:21.799
going to come along. I do love, though, the idea

02:42:21.799 --> 02:42:24.719
of watching somebody climb to the top, lose it.

02:42:24.989 --> 02:42:26.850
And then turn it back around again. I think it's

02:42:26.850 --> 02:42:29.190
just such a fucking wonderful idea. We all love

02:42:29.190 --> 02:42:31.670
that. But I think it's because we try to see

02:42:31.670 --> 02:42:35.209
some of ourself in someone, which is why we don't

02:42:35.209 --> 02:42:37.829
like things that are created by a corporation

02:42:37.829 --> 02:42:40.350
where they put together a band like the Monkees

02:42:40.350 --> 02:42:41.969
or something like that and fake it. Nepotism,

02:42:42.010 --> 02:42:44.270
Silver Spoon Baby. We hate all of that. We hate

02:42:44.270 --> 02:42:46.569
all of that. We hate all the people handed their

02:42:46.569 --> 02:42:49.549
life on a silver platter. If it feels like somebody

02:42:49.549 --> 02:42:54.680
didn't earn it. Yeah. Yeah. I worry. I worry

02:42:54.680 --> 02:42:57.959
about where motivation comes from for people

02:42:57.959 --> 02:43:02.100
in a way. If you are able to game the system,

02:43:02.180 --> 02:43:04.200
which people are now, they can like speed run

02:43:04.200 --> 02:43:07.020
relatability and authenticity. But you don't

02:43:07.020 --> 02:43:09.700
know if this is some K -pop thing, some industry

02:43:09.700 --> 02:43:12.540
plant style scenario that's just been placed

02:43:12.540 --> 02:43:17.100
together to try and get this. give you a sense

02:43:17.100 --> 02:43:19.639
of resonance with this person that doesn't deserve

02:43:19.639 --> 02:43:21.459
it they didn't actually struggle in that sort

02:43:21.459 --> 02:43:23.040
of a way but they can construct the narrative

02:43:23.040 --> 02:43:27.399
that they did and I think In a world that's become

02:43:27.399 --> 02:43:30.299
increasingly prefabricated, like people are looking,

02:43:30.420 --> 02:43:32.639
they're scrutinizing very aggressively. Is this

02:43:32.639 --> 02:43:34.780
person who they say they are? This is the hypocrisy

02:43:34.780 --> 02:43:36.899
that points out that they're not. Right, right.

02:43:37.159 --> 02:43:38.780
And that's where you get performative vulnerability.

02:43:39.399 --> 02:43:42.760
Oh, woe is me. They pretend to, not pretend to

02:43:42.760 --> 02:43:43.940
have Tourette's, although I'm sure some people

02:43:43.940 --> 02:43:48.040
do. They pretend they're struggling. Correct.

02:43:48.219 --> 02:43:50.920
Yeah. Because I need the sympathy vote. Yeah.

02:43:53.479 --> 02:43:55.379
Yeah. Isn't that interesting? Well, the real

02:43:55.379 --> 02:43:57.239
problem was when someone pretends and you catch

02:43:57.239 --> 02:43:58.760
them pretending like that, then you're never

02:43:58.760 --> 02:44:01.200
going to trust them again. You could fail. You

02:44:01.200 --> 02:44:03.239
can fail and fuck up. You could think you got

02:44:03.239 --> 02:44:05.219
it right and you got it wrong and you just, oh,

02:44:05.319 --> 02:44:11.270
fuck. But if you pretend. If you lie, if you

02:44:11.270 --> 02:44:13.809
show deception, if you pretend you're something

02:44:13.809 --> 02:44:15.969
that you're not and they find out, like Ellen,

02:44:16.209 --> 02:44:18.590
you know, she's a nice lady. She's all dancing.

02:44:18.709 --> 02:44:20.069
Meanwhile, she's fucking screaming at people

02:44:20.069 --> 02:44:23.170
and mean. You know, that's like, oh, you were

02:44:23.170 --> 02:44:27.670
lying. That is fucking catnip to people. Ooh,

02:44:27.809 --> 02:44:29.829
they love it. Yeah. Well, there's nothing that

02:44:29.829 --> 02:44:31.829
the Internet wants more than to find somebody

02:44:31.829 --> 02:44:33.889
that's a hypocrite. Sure. Because the Internet

02:44:33.889 --> 02:44:36.129
is basically one big spot the difference competition.

02:44:36.370 --> 02:44:39.270
You said this thing here. You behave this way

02:44:39.270 --> 02:44:41.809
here. Right. I can compare the two. You have

02:44:41.809 --> 02:44:44.290
fallen short. And the fucking jury comes down

02:44:44.290 --> 02:44:46.010
and smashes you in the head. It's also because

02:44:46.010 --> 02:44:49.909
we crave authenticity. We wish we had it. We

02:44:49.909 --> 02:44:53.239
crave it in other people. We want like we're

02:44:53.239 --> 02:44:56.860
all trying to we're watching all these different

02:44:56.860 --> 02:44:58.840
people like this guy play golf and that guy play

02:44:58.840 --> 02:45:01.219
music and watching all these people do all these

02:45:01.219 --> 02:45:03.120
different things. And we're we're getting something

02:45:03.120 --> 02:45:05.319
out of it all. There's a reason why you like

02:45:05.319 --> 02:45:08.700
that thing on Netflix. It's like it fuels the

02:45:08.700 --> 02:45:11.440
human condition. It gives you happiness. It's

02:45:11.440 --> 02:45:14.579
like it's some there's some in a genuine moment

02:45:14.579 --> 02:45:18.000
like that. It's like a very special element that

02:45:18.000 --> 02:45:21.829
it adds to your life. And we crave that. And

02:45:21.829 --> 02:45:23.870
it's hard to know what's real and what's not

02:45:23.870 --> 02:45:25.930
real. That's why people get mad at me when I

02:45:25.930 --> 02:45:30.790
say I like AI music. I know it's not real. I

02:45:30.790 --> 02:45:34.450
still like it. But I don't like it the same way

02:45:34.450 --> 02:45:37.790
I like listening to Johnny Cash sing Hurt. You

02:45:37.790 --> 02:45:40.409
know what I mean? There's an authenticity to

02:45:40.409 --> 02:45:43.129
that. There's a real thing to that. It's very

02:45:43.129 --> 02:45:45.469
tangible. It's different. There's an upper bound

02:45:45.469 --> 02:45:48.149
on it. I certainly think... I'm friends with

02:45:48.149 --> 02:45:51.010
a lot of musicians and one of the issues I think

02:45:51.010 --> 02:45:52.690
that they have with the AI revolution, apart

02:45:52.690 --> 02:45:54.329
from the fact that they're coming for our jobs,

02:45:54.409 --> 02:45:57.969
which is obvious, is that learning a musical

02:45:57.969 --> 02:46:00.409
instrument is really fucking hard and it takes

02:46:00.409 --> 02:46:04.969
a very long time. I think that the revolution

02:46:04.969 --> 02:46:07.649
for podcasting has made it fucking fantastic

02:46:07.649 --> 02:46:10.950
for people to feel less lonely and have exposure

02:46:10.950 --> 02:46:13.209
to conversations and information they never would

02:46:13.209 --> 02:46:17.120
have done. But... anybody that sticks a microphone

02:46:17.120 --> 02:46:19.239
in front of them can record a podcast. It may

02:46:19.239 --> 02:46:21.739
be a totally shit podcast, but if you give me

02:46:21.739 --> 02:46:25.020
a guitar, I can't make notes come out of it.

02:46:25.239 --> 02:46:28.100
So the bar that you need to get over to just

02:46:28.100 --> 02:46:30.899
be acceptably proficient, enough to be able to

02:46:30.899 --> 02:46:34.049
have the conversation. Everybody does what is

02:46:34.049 --> 02:46:35.709
equivalent of a podcast. Everybody that has never

02:46:35.709 --> 02:46:37.590
recorded a podcast has had a great conversation

02:46:37.590 --> 02:46:39.329
over dinner and gone, dude, if we recorded that,

02:46:39.350 --> 02:46:40.709
that would have got millions of plays on YouTube.

02:46:41.409 --> 02:46:45.090
So everyone is a little bit closer to this. And

02:46:45.090 --> 02:46:47.370
I think that one of the issues that the music

02:46:47.370 --> 02:46:49.190
industry or musicians within the industry have

02:46:49.190 --> 02:46:52.309
is that AI feels like it's allowing people to

02:46:52.309 --> 02:46:56.110
leapfrog the first very long, very boring, very

02:46:56.110 --> 02:46:59.049
grindy stage of, well, this is where your fucking

02:46:59.049 --> 02:47:01.090
fingers need to go on the saxophone. Or this

02:47:01.090 --> 02:47:03.590
is how you need to... pick the strings in order

02:47:03.590 --> 02:47:05.190
to make the sound come out of the guitar yeah

02:47:05.190 --> 02:47:08.389
and if you leapfrog it that feels like a little

02:47:08.389 --> 02:47:11.090
bit like a technology -enabled nepotism in a

02:47:11.090 --> 02:47:13.489
way you've got yourself toward the end. You shouldn't

02:47:13.489 --> 02:47:15.290
be able to make this. This is like a guarded

02:47:15.290 --> 02:47:18.090
and highly invested. I mean, you guys see this

02:47:18.090 --> 02:47:20.750
in comedy. In comedy, you're like, dude, until

02:47:20.750 --> 02:47:22.790
you're eight, like the first seven years, like

02:47:22.790 --> 02:47:24.309
they're just you earning your keep and then you're

02:47:24.309 --> 02:47:26.030
eight, whatever it is, like it's a thousand shows.

02:47:26.149 --> 02:47:28.049
And once you've done a thousand spots, then you

02:47:28.049 --> 02:47:29.870
can say that you've started doing comedy or whatever

02:47:29.870 --> 02:47:31.610
it is. For podcasting, I think it's like 150

02:47:31.610 --> 02:47:34.629
episodes. Before anyone that asks me like, I'm

02:47:34.629 --> 02:47:36.190
beginning my podcast and what's your advice?

02:47:36.309 --> 02:47:39.530
And I'm like. Once episode 150 starts, you have

02:47:39.530 --> 02:47:41.729
begun doing a podcast. Up until then, it's basically

02:47:41.729 --> 02:47:45.129
a warm -up set. And I think with music, because

02:47:45.129 --> 02:47:49.329
it's such a high investment that people need

02:47:49.329 --> 02:47:52.190
to have at the very, very beginning, this sense

02:47:52.190 --> 02:47:54.069
that there is a shortcut that allows people who

02:47:54.069 --> 02:47:56.129
haven't earned their way to get there, it would

02:47:56.129 --> 02:47:58.010
be like if you were using AI to write comedy

02:47:58.010 --> 02:48:00.530
sets. Yeah, and I think you're correct, but I

02:48:00.530 --> 02:48:04.149
also think that's probably what Lions felt when

02:48:04.149 --> 02:48:07.770
people invented guns. Like, this is bullshit.

02:48:07.889 --> 02:48:09.729
I've been chasing you motherfuckers down and

02:48:09.729 --> 02:48:11.489
eating you for thousands of years. Now all of

02:48:11.489 --> 02:48:13.469
a sudden you just squeeze your little finger

02:48:13.469 --> 02:48:18.170
and I die instantaneously? That's bullshit. It's

02:48:18.170 --> 02:48:21.309
coming. It's coming. It's coming in all forms

02:48:21.309 --> 02:48:23.989
of entertainment. They've figured out what you

02:48:23.989 --> 02:48:26.290
like. They've got a giant catalog of billions

02:48:26.290 --> 02:48:28.850
of hours of human beings paying attention to

02:48:28.850 --> 02:48:31.629
things. And it's coming. It's coming. It's going

02:48:31.629 --> 02:48:33.250
to overwhelm you. And it's going to be indiscernible

02:48:33.250 --> 02:48:35.750
from reality eventually. It's going to be something

02:48:35.750 --> 02:48:38.950
that you physically experience as well as visual

02:48:38.950 --> 02:48:42.709
and audio. You're going to have the whole experience.

02:48:43.129 --> 02:48:44.809
We'd better enjoy ourselves while we can. Yeah,

02:48:44.850 --> 02:48:48.149
have fun while you can. Chris, I appreciate you

02:48:48.149 --> 02:48:50.190
very much. It's always awesome talking to you.

02:48:50.309 --> 02:48:53.010
Your podcast is excellent. Tell everybody where

02:48:53.010 --> 02:48:55.360
they can get it. Where they can find you. Modern

02:48:55.360 --> 02:48:58.299
Wisdom on Apple Podcasts and Spotify, Chris Williamson

02:48:58.299 --> 02:49:00.540
on YouTube, et cetera, et cetera. I appreciate

02:49:00.540 --> 02:49:02.219
the fuck out of you, man. I appreciate the fuck

02:49:02.219 --> 02:49:03.659
out of you too, brother. It's always good talking

02:49:03.659 --> 02:49:05.620
to you. It's always fun. Goodbye, everybody.

02:49:05.899 --> 02:49:06.219
Peace.