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Welcome to this curated educational transcript of the Joe Rogan Experience. In this session, we provide a deep-dive examination of the critical perspectives and historical dialogues presented in Episode #1598. Our mission is to offer a high-fidelity, searchable research resource for students of cultural history, emerging technology, and global discourse. This transcript has been specifically optimized for academic reference, linguistic study, and archival preservation regarding Sports Entertainment Evolution, Professional Wrestling History, and the Psychology of Longevity. Joe Rogan Podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan

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Experience. Train by day. Joe Rogan Podcast by

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night. All day. WWE royalty, ladies and gentlemen.

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The Undertaker and the biggest fucking wrestling

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fan on planet Earth. Like I was saying before

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the podcast, if I did not bring Tony Hinchcliffe

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on this podcast, I would have never heard the

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end of it. No one loves you more than that, man.

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Like, being right next to you right now is probably...

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He's tingling. He's tingling a little bit. It

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might be lactating. This is the highlight of

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my life. I don't know if I'm happy or sad about

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that. But anyway, thanks for coming on here.

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I really appreciate it. No, thanks for having

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me, man. It's an honor, really. Oh, my pleasure.

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Honor to have you. So what is it like being in

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Austin, Texas right now? Are you enjoying it?

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You're from this area, right? Yeah, well, I'm

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from Houston. But I've been here since about

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2004. you know it's crazy man we got this influx

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of people from california right now i know we're

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trying not to fuck it up what should we do tell

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us what to do uh you know it's fine bring the

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money leave the values and we'll all be good

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what values do we need to leave behind specifically

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well fuck everything that fucked up california

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yeah i think that's the government man no it

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really what the government gets voted in though

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right yeah but i don't think we expected them

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to do that Exactly. Yeah, no one expected them

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to shut down all the restaurants and shut down

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all the gyms. And now that studies have come

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out, there was a new study that came out. It

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was in fucking Newsweek. I'm hoping that when

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Biden comes in, they're going to go, well, you

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know, we realize that lockdowns are not really

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good. It doesn't really help. Give people freedom

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and let them do. I'm hoping that this is a political

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thing, which is a terrible thing to hope for,

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that this is political. But that's where we're

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at, though. Yeah, but that's where we're at.

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I'm hoping that it was all political and that

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they'll adjust once Biden is in office. Yeah,

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I hope so, too. It's been nuts, man. It's crazy.

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What do you believe, too, right? Exactly. You

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hear this, you hear that. My buddy Brendan Schaub

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just went down to the comic store the other day.

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He rode his bike down there. He said, dude, it's

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like the fucking Walking Dead. He said, Sunset

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is just a zombie land. Yeah, it's crazy. Tents

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and shit and weirdos and no businesses open and

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everything's just amazing how quick things can

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fall apart. Quick. Like that. Yeah. Like that.

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Everything changes. And the Sunset strip's extra

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sad because, like, all the neon lights and everything

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is what? kept it when those things are shut off

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it's as dark as it gets like even the comedy

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store it's just a black building with a bunch

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of red and white neons around it but if those

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neons are off it is just it looks like nothing's

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there you gotta wonder what's what's gonna happen

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when everything comes back like how long is it

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gonna take for things to bounce back it could

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take five years yeah it could that or just everybody

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lose their freaking mind and you know just go

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absolutely ape shit because they've been cooped

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up for so long yeah We can do what? We're good?

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Let's party. Let's go. What have you been doing,

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man? What have you been doing with your life

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post -wrestling? Trying to figure out what's

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next, really. I've done this for 33 years altogether.

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This is crazy. It's just one of those deals.

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You're walking around like you're okay, though.

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A lot of the guys that hit 30 years, man. I hung

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out with Iron Sheik one night. That poor guy.

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Very entertaining. Hilarious. It's great. Hilarious.

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I love Sheiky. But you're right. He can barely

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walk. His ankle's fused. He can't walk. I've

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already got both my hips. Birmingham resurfaced

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job, so my hips are metal. It's incredible that

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they can do that now. Well, it added 10 years

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to my career. Oh, so you did it and then kept

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going. So I did the first one. I did the left

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one in 2010. Wow. I mean, it looked like they

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filmed the whole thing for me. And my hip joint,

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the ball socket, looked like a landmine had gone

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off on it. I mean, it was just potholes. And

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I had spurs and arthritis. It was filled it up.

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And they'd only been doing them for about 10

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years at that point. So they didn't have a whole

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lot of scientific study on how long these were

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going to last. And then no one was going to put

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it to the test like I did. Right. Especially

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with the amount of weight you're carrying around

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and then picking people up and slamming them.

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And getting slammed and just all that jarring.

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So Dr. Sue out of the hospital for special surgeries,

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he was just... And he was so gung -ho because,

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like, you know, that was his baby. And, you know,

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he knew what I was going to do. And he's like,

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no one's put that kind of test on it. We're going

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to see. And I was like, yeah, we're going to

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see. And it's held up. I've been – I was in pain

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easily 12 years, every step of every day. You

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know, it was just – you know, I had that searing

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down the leg pain. And you just dealt with it.

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I just dealt with it. You know, it was just –

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it's part of the game. Thankfully, I've got a

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high threshold for pain. But you know, people

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that are in chronic pain all the time and you

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live with it, you don't even realize the drag

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it is on you. I mean, you get used to it, but

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you don't know how much until it's gone. And

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when I woke up from surgery and I'm pain -free,

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it was like, this is a whole new lease on life.

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re -motivated me to do, you know, things. Right

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away you were pain free? As soon as I woke up.

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Wow. How's that possible? Don't they have a saw

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at the top of your hip off? No, so here's what

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they do, and I wish I'd have brought it with

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me, but we're trying to pack our house up and

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move. So they take the head of the femur, all

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right, the top of the leg bone. They go in there

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first, and they clean everything off of it. They

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get all the arthritis. They shave all that off.

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Bore it and clean it as good as they can clean

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it. Then they drill a hole in it in the head

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of your femur. And then they take a titanium

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cap and they stick over the head of the femur.

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Jamie could probably find it if you know the

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exact model. Yeah, there it is right there. That's

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it. Jamie's on the motherfucking ball. That's

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money right there to pull that up like that.

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Birmingham hip. follow -up so that is uh what

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yours looks like so this thing yeah so the thing

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with the stem on the right side there that goes

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right into the head of the femur and then the

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porous piece of metal that goes over the top

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of it goes into the acetabulum and no restrictions

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wow no restrictions yeah i had to walk i was

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walking on the left is the old way to do it right

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So they see A and B over there on the right -hand

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side? Yeah, and they still do it that way. And

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if I screw these up, I can still have the total

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hip where they'll go in there, cut the femur

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off. What would be the benefit of doing that,

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though? Well, at the time, if I'd have done the

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full hip replacement, then I would have been

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finished. Right. Yeah, because it just couldn't

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have took the trauma that I put it through. Right.

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But the resurfacing, that way... I have absolutely

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no restrictions. Wow. Yeah. So you have no pain

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now. How long is this supposed to last? Like

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don't they say that you might have to get another

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one of these or do something with it eventually?

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Eventually. They don't know. Like I said, when

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I did the first one, they'd only been doing them

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for about 10 years. And no one, you know, no

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one had. got in a wrestling ring and get thrown

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around 270 days a year on it to either you know

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i mean it's just well think about cars right

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you can get like a 95 land cruiser with 300 000

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miles on it right easy and they're driving they're

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driving fine like and those pistons are just

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going and maybe it can just keep going yeah no

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warranty yeah there's no warranty but i you know

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i just I keep holding off and they get medicine

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keeps getting better and better. And yeah, no,

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it'll definitely continue to get better. I mean,

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it's just incredible that you can do that and

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then still wrestle. I mean, yeah. And then when

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I did the other one, I did the other one, maybe

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five years later, same thing. Yeah. Same thing.

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I only thing then is I kind of had to learn how

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to walk again. I mean, I could walk, but I had

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to, my gate was so screwed up because I, from

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dragging, you know, from dragging the leg and

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everything. So I had to. What they had me do

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is, weird, strange enough, is start walking backwards.

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Huh. On a treadmill to correct my gait. Yeah.

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How weird. Yeah, because, you know, you compensate.

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When you have an injury, you know, you start

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to compensate and do things differently. So I

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walked differently to kind of alleviate the pain.

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So once I had no pain, I still had the habits

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of walking that way. So I had to retrain my brain

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and my body to walk correctly again. So the left

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hip was the one that was really bothering you

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for the longest time and the right hip was bothering

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you less? Yeah, I didn't really have, it was

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kind of weird how it happened. Like my left hip

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was bad for years and years. I finally, you know,

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I said, okay, I'm going to call it a day. My

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normal orthopedic surgeon, I said, okay, Doc,

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I'm going to call it a day. He said, shit, Mark,

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you should have called it a day five years ago.

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He said, you got more out of that hip than what

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anybody ever should have. I was like, well. I'd

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come to grips with my career was going to be

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over. I cut my hair off. I said, shit, I'm not

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going to need this long shit anymore. I cut my

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hair off. Sitting at home, phone rings. It was

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only about two or three days later, right? And

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Dr. Bird, he's out of Nashville. Awesome, awesome

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doctor. He's probably the leading doctor in hip

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preservation, like taking your natural hip as

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far as you can go. Just really good. What does

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he do for that? You know, he'll go in orthoscopically,

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clean the bone off, clean the spurs out, clean,

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you know, he just. And anytime there's, you know,

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what starts to happen is you start getting that

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arthritis and then the spurs. And it just, what

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happens is every time that you're walking, it's

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just chewing that up. So he goes in there and

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he's actually designed his own instruments, you

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know, that he uses to go in there and orthoscopically

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clean these hips joints out. So he calls you.

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So he calls me and he goes, hey, I might have

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another option for you. And I'm like, fuck, I

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already shaved my head. He goes, there's this

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doctor in New York that's doing this thing called

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the Birmingham hip resurface. He says, it may

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give you an opportunity to make a decision that

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you want to make instead of having it made for

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you. I was like, oh, shit, okay. So I go to New

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York and I meet with Dr. Sue. And he goes, yeah,

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I think you're a perfect candidate. Your bone

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density is really great. He says, I think you'll

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do good with it, right? So I was like, well,

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fuck, let's go for it, right? I got nothing to

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lose at that point. And I wake up. I'm pain -free.

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And I'm like, holy shit. Like, I'm walking that

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day. That day? Yeah. No crutches, no nothing?

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I started out on crutches because I had, you

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know, for a while I had an epidural in. So, you

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know, when I first tried to get up, it was funny.

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They bring in two male nurses, right? you know,

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I'm three and some change at the time. Right.

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So, and I've never had any, you know, kind of

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side effects, but I guess I got up and I got

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it. Oh, wham. Did they catch you? They got me.

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They got, I landed on the bed. So I, you know,

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the last thing I remember is getting up to go

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take this walk. And the next thing, you know,

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I'm laying in bed and my wife's looking at me

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like, you okay? And I was like, what? You passed

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out. shut up i didn't pass out yeah they got

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you up to walk and you passed out wow i was like

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got it holy shit yeah i was so you know i was

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so looped up i i feel good i'm just so happy

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that they could do that for you that they could

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resurface both of them when you're walking i

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mean because you walk you would never know yeah

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it's it is crazy i feel i'm really blessed but

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you know now you know If I could, obviously I'd

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still be, I'd still be going full steam ahead,

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but I just physically can't, I can't perform

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at the level, you know, and that's the thing

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with, you know, with, when you use your body

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for athletic purpose, you know, at some point

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it's going to say enough's enough. John Wayne

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Parr, he's a Muay Thai champion out of Australia.

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You know, John Wayne Parr, he has over a hundred

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fights. He's, he's like. He was trying to get

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100 wins, but they robbed him on his last decision,

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on his 100th win. But he just got his hip redone,

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and he's throwing kicks again. It's crazy. Because

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I thought, like, he was saying that he needed

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to get his hip done. I'm like, well, you know,

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I guess the career's over if you get a hip replacement.

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But he got a resurfacing, very similar to yours.

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I don't know if it's the exact same one. But

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he's, like. a couple of weeks later he was like

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throwing kicks in the air and uh a couple months

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later he's this is him like right post operation

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but uh if you go to his instagram jamie like

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uh right now like if you can see some video of

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him what is that one is he running yeah this

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is crazy you can run yeah I mean, he was fucked.

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He was in pain for a long time. I mean, that's

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just nuts to see him being able to do that. See

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if you can... There's a video of him throwing

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kicks. He got a float tank, too. Someone hooked

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him up with a float tank. Nice. Yeah, there he

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is, right there. I mean, this is only a couple...

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Oh, this is like a parody of John Codd Van Damme,

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the kickboxer. He's being... John's a funny dude.

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He's always fucking around. But there's videos

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of him... Get out of this one. It is eventually,

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but... it's gonna take too long but keep scrolling

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down there's a video of him throwing kicks no

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no like scroll down right there that's it exactly

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so this is uh i think this is three months post

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surgery and he can throw kicks so he's got someone

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holding the pads for him which is just yeah it's

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insane and that's that leg That leg he's throwing

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right there, that was the one that he felt much.

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Yeah, and there's so much pressure. And John's

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in his 40s. But he's a fucking savage to the

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end. Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy, man. Modern

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medicine, it's phenomenal, man. It really is.

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And from the fans' perspective, they don't tell

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you when these guys are getting surgery and things

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like that. You know what I mean? What do you

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think happened? Well, we don't... What do you

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mean? No, we don't know when they're getting

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surgery. So my point is, is like, for example,

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you know, you're watching The Undertaker, right?

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Who's already been doing it years longer than

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all of his peers and all that. And maybe you

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could tell that matches not necessarily are different

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or slower, but they're just. They are. They're

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different than obviously headlining an hour -long

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WrestleMania match, right? I think you just dissed

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me. I'm not sure. No. I think you did. I felt

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it. You felt that, right? I didn't like it. But

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the return on that is that people say, like,

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oh, this must be it. This must. We're coming

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towards the end of The Undertaker. Right. It's

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different than it's always been. And then he

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would come back from one of these hip surgeries,

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and it would literally add to the mystique of

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The Undertaker because all of a sudden he's...

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faster, stronger, right? For a while there, that

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was the template. At the end of my career, I

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had to almost like a fighter. When a fighter

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goes into camp, because I would get ready for

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one event. For years, I had an eight -year stretch

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where I averaged 270 dates a year. That's what

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a lot of people don't. They don't get that part

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of what we do. They don't get the live events,

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town to town, flying everywhere. That is bananas.

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Easily. Easily eight years, 278. With the beginning

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of my career in the early 90s with WWE on the

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weekends, we'd do two shows a day. Boo! Yeah.

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Oh, my God. Who works harder than pro wrestlers?

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Like literally. Honestly, I mean, obviously I'm

00:16:48.529 --> 00:16:50.129
biased, but a lot of people really, they don't

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get that because they see Monday nights or they

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see the Friday night show and they don't know

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that we're doing live events. And when I came

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up in the early 90s, we only did TV like every

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three weeks. We would tape three weeks of TV

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and the rest of that time we're on the road.

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It'd be like they're throwing darts. Like, one

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day I'd be in New York. The next day I'd be in

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Denver. Then I'd be in Miami. Then I'd be in

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Toronto. Then I'd be in L .A. Then I'd be in

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Dallas. You must have been in a constant state

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of jet lag. Oh, I say fucked up, really, honestly.

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I mean, we had a motto. We'll sleep when we're

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dead, right? I mean, you're young. You know,

00:17:33.049 --> 00:17:34.950
when you're young, you've got that kind of energy

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and you can do all that and, you know, you're

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going out and you're enjoying your nightlife

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too. Well, no wonder why so many guys have a

00:17:41.910 --> 00:17:43.809
problem with pills too because you're in a constant

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state of pain. Absolutely, yeah. Things have

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progressed in our industry so much. Like, we

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are on the same standards now of... Major League

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Baseball and the football. I mean, our drug testing

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programs, wellness programs, concussions. I mean,

00:18:01.829 --> 00:18:05.349
we are probably in some cases even, you know,

00:18:05.349 --> 00:18:08.630
better. Why would they test you for drugs? Why?

00:18:08.869 --> 00:18:16.009
Yeah. Well, so, one, well, prescription drugs.

00:18:16.289 --> 00:18:18.950
Right. You know. Just see if you've got a problem.

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They started out early on, you know. So we're

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talking 90s, right? So they didn't want people

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getting popped with, you know, getting pulled

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over and cops finding weed in the car or whatnot.

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So that would be a fine. You'd get fined a little

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bit this time. The second time, you'd get fined

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a little more. The third time, you'd get fined

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and maybe have to go, you know, rehab. But I

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think what they kind of figured out, I think

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they still do, but they didn't realize when they

00:18:46.180 --> 00:18:49.579
took that away, what are you going to do? You're

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going to drink more. And then you're going to

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take more pills. Because you've got to cope with

00:18:54.369 --> 00:18:59.910
the pain somehow. And so then you've got guys

00:18:59.910 --> 00:19:03.009
overdosing, right? So everything's kind of led

00:19:03.009 --> 00:19:07.730
up to this drug protocol now. We have, I mean,

00:19:07.769 --> 00:19:10.049
we're talking about, we didn't have doctors with

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us at the time. We didn't even have trainers

00:19:11.450 --> 00:19:15.910
with us back then. Now we travel with trainers,

00:19:16.130 --> 00:19:19.559
doctors. you know, there's all kinds of protocols.

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You get, you get your head, you know, you get

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a dinger used to, it was like, okay, well, you

00:19:24.480 --> 00:19:26.759
know, I gotta go, I gotta go make a living. Right.

00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:29.039
You know, it's the same with injuries. Like you

00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:32.400
don't work, you don't get paid. Right. So, you

00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:35.460
know, in that sense, our industry's come a long

00:19:35.460 --> 00:19:38.180
way. They really take. good care of the athletes

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now. When you think of drug tests, people think

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about steroids. Yeah. If I was Vince, I would

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tell people, I want to make sure you're on steroids.

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I'd be testing everybody. Well, we've had a few

00:19:50.759 --> 00:19:54.259
different... Why are you not on steroids? You're

00:19:54.259 --> 00:19:56.440
a pro wrestler. Come on, bro. You would think,

00:19:56.559 --> 00:20:00.160
right? There was a time where everybody had to

00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:02.650
be... You had to be clean? No, you had to be

00:20:02.650 --> 00:20:06.390
big. You had to be jacked, right? Yeah. And especially

00:20:06.390 --> 00:20:08.490
the guys, you know, the 6 '8", the big guys.

00:20:08.529 --> 00:20:10.869
There was the stigma. You've got to be 300 pounds.

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Right. It's in our head. Nobody gives a shit.

00:20:13.730 --> 00:20:15.710
They're interested in the characters and what

00:20:15.710 --> 00:20:19.309
you do on TV. But in our heads, like, fuck, I've

00:20:19.309 --> 00:20:21.430
got to be 330 pounds. They're interested a little

00:20:21.430 --> 00:20:23.470
bit. But if a guy like Brock Lesnar comes out

00:20:23.470 --> 00:20:25.269
and he looks skinny, people would be furious.

00:20:25.789 --> 00:20:30.309
Yeah. Even the guys that weren't huge had to

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do it to stay medium. you know what i mean like

00:20:32.579 --> 00:20:35.440
i was friends with uh roddy piper right and he

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was telling me about it and he's like well yeah

00:20:37.619 --> 00:20:41.740
i mean you you had to even keep to even stay

00:20:41.740 --> 00:20:44.259
in the middle to stay in the game you had to

00:20:44.259 --> 00:20:47.500
be on steroids that was that was the wrestler's

00:20:47.500 --> 00:20:50.900
mindset though now that we're tested for everything

00:20:50.900 --> 00:20:53.099
they test for steroids they test for stare they

00:20:53.099 --> 00:20:56.039
have for a while really yeah and which i don't

00:20:56.039 --> 00:20:59.740
understand because there's some big out there

00:20:59.740 --> 00:21:01.759
yeah and cut And I don't know how they did it.

00:21:01.799 --> 00:21:03.480
I couldn't get that way when I was on steroids.

00:21:03.740 --> 00:21:08.460
Who's the biggest guy in the WWE right now? I'm

00:21:08.460 --> 00:21:10.779
going to pull up a picture. Braun Strowman. Passes

00:21:10.779 --> 00:21:15.079
the sniff test. Yeah. Braun, I think he's about

00:21:15.079 --> 00:21:19.859
my height. He used to be a power lifter. Let

00:21:19.859 --> 00:21:23.539
me see. Here you go, Jeremy. Oh, Jesus. So, yeah,

00:21:23.579 --> 00:21:28.069
he's 330 pounds. Look. Are we trying to say that

00:21:28.069 --> 00:21:29.250
that guy doesn't do any steroids at all? I'm

00:21:29.250 --> 00:21:31.829
just telling you. Hey, I'm just telling you.

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This is preposterous. They test him. They test

00:21:36.529 --> 00:21:38.950
him. And then they give him a grade A. Good job.

00:21:39.089 --> 00:21:46.170
I'm just saying. Look, I can only say what I've

00:21:46.170 --> 00:21:49.309
had to go through. I mean, it's positive. It's

00:21:49.309 --> 00:21:52.509
possible, right? It has to be because I'm telling

00:21:52.509 --> 00:21:56.859
you. So before I switched my contracts, and now

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I'm not a talent, now I'm a legend, I guess,

00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:04.039
or whatever they call it, I'd only work two or

00:22:04.039 --> 00:22:05.920
three times a year. This is at the end of my

00:22:05.920 --> 00:22:08.279
career. But I was still under a regular contract.

00:22:09.160 --> 00:22:12.160
So under a regular contract, you have to, this

00:22:12.160 --> 00:22:14.579
is if you've tested clean, you have to have four

00:22:14.579 --> 00:22:18.920
mandatory tests, four mandatory piss tests, and

00:22:18.920 --> 00:22:21.619
two blood tests every year. well, they'd get

00:22:21.619 --> 00:22:23.680
to the end of the year. Like it'd be December,

00:22:23.700 --> 00:22:26.799
right? Going into Christmas and I'd get a call

00:22:26.799 --> 00:22:30.240
like, uh, you need to go to this such and such

00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:33.539
lab and, and, and do a piss test. And I hadn't

00:22:33.539 --> 00:22:35.339
been in a ring in six, seven months, but they

00:22:35.339 --> 00:22:37.740
would look at their book. Oh shit. We forgot

00:22:37.740 --> 00:22:41.019
about him. And it's under, you know, you've got

00:22:41.019 --> 00:22:43.220
to have, you've got to have those piss tests

00:22:43.220 --> 00:22:45.119
done. So then, okay, well that's only three.

00:22:45.579 --> 00:22:47.660
Sure enough. Next day I get another phone call,

00:22:47.720 --> 00:22:51.740
go back to the lab. So, you know, I'd have to

00:22:51.740 --> 00:22:53.380
go two days in a row to get tested to make sure

00:22:53.380 --> 00:22:55.700
that I had everything that I was supposed to

00:22:55.700 --> 00:22:56.759
have. Maybe that's how they do it. Maybe they

00:22:56.759 --> 00:22:59.319
bang all their tests out early in the year, test

00:22:59.319 --> 00:23:01.440
four days in a row, and then just do steroids

00:23:01.440 --> 00:23:03.200
the rest of the year. No, they're totally random.

00:23:03.539 --> 00:23:06.400
They just show up. The drug testing, you never

00:23:06.400 --> 00:23:08.339
know when they're going to show up. I was home.

00:23:08.420 --> 00:23:10.680
That's why I didn't get tested until the very

00:23:10.680 --> 00:23:12.839
end. I just don't understand why they would test.

00:23:13.140 --> 00:23:15.799
I mean, that's like testing the rock. Like if

00:23:15.799 --> 00:23:17.160
he's doing a movie, you want to make sure you're

00:23:17.160 --> 00:23:19.500
not on steroids. You'd be like, what? Well, so

00:23:19.500 --> 00:23:23.740
obviously, you know, we've had some dark shit.

00:23:24.059 --> 00:23:27.839
Come on, son. I'm just saying, brother. Come

00:23:27.839 --> 00:23:30.539
on. Well, he is the beef king. Come on, look

00:23:30.539 --> 00:23:32.759
at the size of that fucker. He used to be a power

00:23:32.759 --> 00:23:36.160
lifter. Yeah, he was 400 pounds at one time,

00:23:36.160 --> 00:23:41.160
and he's my height. It's possible to be that.

00:23:41.279 --> 00:23:43.400
Like, it's not bodybuilding size, right? Bodybuilding

00:23:43.400 --> 00:23:45.460
size is impossible. Yeah. That's not possible.

00:23:45.460 --> 00:23:48.019
No, yeah. Yeah, if you look at Ronnie Coleman

00:23:48.019 --> 00:23:50.539
in his prime, not possible. Not possible. But

00:23:50.539 --> 00:23:54.259
that guy, maybe some Viking DNA in there. I don't

00:23:54.259 --> 00:23:56.740
know. He's a giant fucking dude. Maybe. I know

00:23:56.740 --> 00:24:01.400
what the protocol is, and I know if anybody was

00:24:01.400 --> 00:24:02.680
going to get out of it, it would have been me.

00:24:02.740 --> 00:24:05.700
Right. And I didn't get out of it, so I'm just

00:24:05.700 --> 00:24:12.589
saying. Did they test Vince? I don't know. Yeah.

00:24:13.329 --> 00:24:17.190
Like, I don't, Hey, I wish whatever he's on.

00:24:17.289 --> 00:24:20.049
I wish I was on, you know, look at that guy.

00:24:20.509 --> 00:24:25.089
Yeah. He's 85. That's all he does. He's 70. He's

00:24:25.089 --> 00:24:27.910
75. Come on. Who the fuck has traps like that

00:24:27.910 --> 00:24:29.750
when they're 75? Like, if you didn't know that

00:24:29.750 --> 00:24:31.849
was his traps, you would say he's going to die.

00:24:31.849 --> 00:24:34.490
He has a tumor. He's got a tumor on his back.

00:24:35.130 --> 00:24:37.210
Who's size is that man? Let me tell you though.

00:24:37.529 --> 00:24:39.710
That guy, that's what he does. He's a fucking

00:24:39.710 --> 00:24:43.230
animal. His love is working out. Who the fuck

00:24:43.230 --> 00:24:45.650
has ever been that big at that age? Ever. He's

00:24:45.650 --> 00:24:50.630
phenomenal, man. How old is he? He's 75. He's

00:24:50.630 --> 00:24:52.549
older than my mom. I'm going to send my mom a

00:24:52.549 --> 00:24:54.470
picture of him. I don't want to hear any excuses.

00:24:54.869 --> 00:24:58.150
Get it together, mom. No excuses, mom. His mom

00:24:58.150 --> 00:25:03.230
is 99. His mom's 99 and was still playing tennis

00:25:03.230 --> 00:25:06.630
in her 90s. Jesus Christ. I mean, he's just got

00:25:06.630 --> 00:25:08.650
some, he's got some, that's his trainer there.

00:25:08.930 --> 00:25:11.789
Wow. Uh, he's shooting them in the back right

00:25:11.789 --> 00:25:15.769
now. It's just all day long. Just keep hitting

00:25:15.769 --> 00:25:18.190
them. He's the one guy I'll call. He'll call

00:25:18.190 --> 00:25:20.849
me out of the clear blues. Hey, you work out

00:25:20.849 --> 00:25:24.829
today. Wow. I'm like, no boss. I didn't. What's

00:25:24.829 --> 00:25:27.720
wrong. He's like, I don't feel like it. He's

00:25:27.720 --> 00:25:28.940
like, well, you need to get your ass in the gym.

00:25:29.099 --> 00:25:31.380
It's amazing his enthusiasm after all these years.

00:25:31.380 --> 00:25:33.180
Look at that picture where it says related images

00:25:33.180 --> 00:25:35.119
right below that with him screaming. Go to that

00:25:35.119 --> 00:25:39.400
one. Amazing enthusiasm after all these years

00:25:39.400 --> 00:25:41.420
in the game. It really is pretty incredible.

00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:46.940
He is a workhorse. His company and working out.

00:25:48.140 --> 00:25:52.200
It's kind of crazy. That's his love, man. That's

00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:55.130
his passion. That's what causes success. I mean,

00:25:55.130 --> 00:25:58.150
it really is. It's consistency. But look at him

00:25:58.150 --> 00:25:59.990
there. He looks like he's about 30. Probably.

00:25:59.990 --> 00:26:02.529
And look at him on the right. He's 150 years

00:26:02.529 --> 00:26:07.750
old and still jacked. It's crazy. I love it.

00:26:07.789 --> 00:26:10.450
I love people like that. I do, too. I wish I

00:26:10.450 --> 00:26:14.150
had a little bit of it right now. Well, he's

00:26:14.150 --> 00:26:16.970
been lifting weights and occasionally wrestling.

00:26:17.450 --> 00:26:19.490
Yeah. You've been wrestling. Well, what year

00:26:19.490 --> 00:26:23.359
did you start? I started. Training in 86. Wow.

00:26:23.559 --> 00:26:26.079
Had my first match in 87. Dude, I was just out

00:26:26.079 --> 00:26:28.319
of high school. I mean, we don't need to know

00:26:28.319 --> 00:26:30.579
everything. That is crazy. It's been a long time.

00:26:30.819 --> 00:26:37.400
It was tough for me. I'm not a legacy. I didn't

00:26:37.400 --> 00:26:40.240
have anybody in the business. I didn't know anybody

00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:45.059
in the business. So usually you need somebody

00:26:45.059 --> 00:26:47.980
to open that door for you, right? So in 86, were

00:26:47.980 --> 00:26:49.740
you thinking, like, I've got to figure out a

00:26:49.740 --> 00:26:53.160
way how to do this? How did you start taking

00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:58.599
classes? So I was in college. I was a basketball

00:26:58.599 --> 00:27:02.579
player, right? And my coach tells me, hey, Mark,

00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:06.380
there's some European scouts that are interested

00:27:06.380 --> 00:27:10.240
in you. Maybe after next year, they may want

00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:12.519
to give you a tryout. european pro basketball

00:27:12.519 --> 00:27:15.319
right but they all say they want to get you you

00:27:15.319 --> 00:27:16.559
know they'd like for you to be a little bigger

00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:19.500
because of the style they played back then okay

00:27:19.500 --> 00:27:22.359
so i start lifting weights trying you know i'm

00:27:22.359 --> 00:27:27.359
six foot eight 230 240 which is in in the 80s

00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:31.440
is huge for a basketball player but still so

00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:32.920
i started training european league were they

00:27:32.920 --> 00:27:35.319
just more physical yeah yeah that you know it

00:27:35.319 --> 00:27:38.980
was like uh rick mahorn and and bill lambeer

00:27:38.980 --> 00:27:43.710
you know on the gas they were just monsters and

00:27:43.710 --> 00:27:46.990
so I start training and I'm trying to you know

00:27:46.990 --> 00:27:50.009
put on size and strength and I met this guy in

00:27:50.009 --> 00:27:53.390
the gym who was like every day I'd come in he

00:27:53.390 --> 00:27:56.269
goes hey he goes man I'm gonna I'm gonna go and

00:27:56.269 --> 00:27:58.450
I'm gonna I'm gonna get in this wrestling I want

00:27:58.450 --> 00:28:00.309
you to do wrestling with me and I was a big wrestling

00:28:00.309 --> 00:28:03.309
fan as a kid but as I got into you know basketball

00:28:03.309 --> 00:28:05.269
and football and everything else I kind of you

00:28:05.269 --> 00:28:08.369
know I kind of drifted away yeah and I was just

00:28:08.369 --> 00:28:11.319
like man, I think I'm going to go try to play

00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:15.119
some pro ball in Europe. And he goes, man, you

00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:17.119
should really try and do this with me. So I kind

00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:18.680
of started getting in touch with the product

00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:21.099
again. I kind of started watching again, and

00:28:21.099 --> 00:28:27.700
I got no clue. I kind of fall back into it again,

00:28:27.799 --> 00:28:29.559
right? I'm like, oh, that's kind of cool. That's

00:28:29.559 --> 00:28:33.039
different. I think one of the things that's helped

00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:37.710
me through my career is being a realist. what

00:28:37.710 --> 00:28:40.210
my talents are and what my talents aren't. And,

00:28:40.230 --> 00:28:42.470
you know, I was like, you know, I kind of started

00:28:42.470 --> 00:28:44.250
having these conversations with myself. Like,

00:28:44.250 --> 00:28:47.509
even if you do make a team, you know, I mean,

00:28:47.509 --> 00:28:51.549
how long do you really have? Right. And being

00:28:51.549 --> 00:28:54.670
21 and sitting on the end of the bench in Lithuania

00:28:54.670 --> 00:28:57.769
just really didn't, wasn't that appealing of

00:28:57.769 --> 00:28:59.569
a, you know, you know, I'm trying to weigh it

00:28:59.569 --> 00:29:01.950
up against what I'm seeing on TV. Right. And

00:29:01.950 --> 00:29:03.789
I'm like, you know, I'm like, because you got

00:29:03.789 --> 00:29:05.950
the Von Eriks and you got Hogan. I'm like, well,

00:29:05.990 --> 00:29:09.990
these guys are, huge household names, you know?

00:29:10.029 --> 00:29:12.390
So I'm thinking maybe I ought to give it a try.

00:29:13.470 --> 00:29:15.750
So we find this guy by the name of Buzz Sawyer

00:29:15.750 --> 00:29:18.730
to, to train us. Right. And I got to come up

00:29:18.730 --> 00:29:21.470
with two grand and I ain't got a pot or a window

00:29:21.470 --> 00:29:24.950
to throw it out of. Right. So I, uh, I get my

00:29:24.950 --> 00:29:26.930
brother, my oldest brother to co -sign a loan,

00:29:27.089 --> 00:29:30.609
hawk everything I own and, uh, come up with two

00:29:30.609 --> 00:29:34.289
grand to pay Buzz Sawyer to train, train me to

00:29:34.289 --> 00:29:39.380
wrestle. show up to his house, first morning

00:29:39.380 --> 00:29:43.339
of training, right? Buzz was a – he was a good

00:29:43.339 --> 00:29:46.920
amateur, really good amateur. And show up at

00:29:46.920 --> 00:29:49.059
his house, knocking on the door, knocking on

00:29:49.059 --> 00:29:50.460
– there's about 10 of us standing out in the

00:29:50.460 --> 00:29:53.819
fucking front yard, knocking on the door. Finally,

00:29:53.980 --> 00:29:56.859
fucking door swings open. What the fuck do you

00:29:56.859 --> 00:29:58.880
want, right? He's standing there butt -ass naked.

00:29:59.700 --> 00:30:01.640
Woke him up out of a – he's just standing there

00:30:01.640 --> 00:30:05.420
naked. And everybody's like, we're here to train?

00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:11.859
And he goes, oh, fuck, is that today? Yeah, you

00:30:11.859 --> 00:30:16.359
know, and so he gets another guy that was staying

00:30:16.359 --> 00:30:18.220
there with him. His name was Perry Jackson, who

00:30:18.220 --> 00:30:22.160
I'm friends with to this day. He says, go out

00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:24.880
there and warm them up, right? So he goes out

00:30:24.880 --> 00:30:28.420
there and we run and do all, just, I mean, everything

00:30:28.420 --> 00:30:30.579
they can do to blow us up and run us off, right?

00:30:31.220 --> 00:30:33.859
Totally gassed out, about two hours, just nothing

00:30:33.859 --> 00:30:37.539
but cardio shit, right? Finally, Buzz comes out.

00:30:38.460 --> 00:30:41.380
All right, everybody line up. All right, everybody

00:30:41.380 --> 00:30:44.880
get down. Amateur position, right? So everybody

00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:48.259
gets down. Fucking he just stretches the shit

00:30:48.259 --> 00:30:51.539
out of everybody, right? Cross -faced, just fucking

00:30:51.539 --> 00:30:55.859
chicken wing and just hooking everybody and rolling

00:30:55.859 --> 00:31:00.440
them around in his front yard, right? That was

00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:02.400
it, right? Then he goes in the house. Y 'all

00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:05.250
come back a couple other days. So this goes on

00:31:05.250 --> 00:31:09.069
for weeks. And, like, every time I show up, there's,

00:31:09.130 --> 00:31:12.609
like, one less guy that shows up. Until I was

00:31:12.609 --> 00:31:15.309
the last one there. So I'm the last one there.

00:31:15.490 --> 00:31:19.750
I knock on the door. Knock on the door. Fuck.

00:31:20.470 --> 00:31:22.470
He never answers, right? So I start peering in

00:31:22.470 --> 00:31:24.869
the windows. Fucking all the furniture's gone.

00:31:25.450 --> 00:31:27.029
Everything's gone. He's gone. He's gone to a

00:31:27.029 --> 00:31:30.109
different territory to work. He just left, right?

00:31:30.529 --> 00:31:35.390
Never learned any pro wrestling. He was just

00:31:35.390 --> 00:31:36.910
teaching you wrestling. He was just teaching

00:31:36.910 --> 00:31:40.950
me. Obviously, we signed up to teach us how to

00:31:40.950 --> 00:31:42.789
pro wrestle, but he just came out there, and

00:31:42.789 --> 00:31:44.630
his whole goal, and this is the way it was back

00:31:44.630 --> 00:31:46.950
then, is they always try to take your money,

00:31:47.029 --> 00:31:50.490
and then they try to run you off. Most of the

00:31:50.490 --> 00:31:53.589
guys in that era were all shooters. They were

00:31:53.589 --> 00:31:57.329
all good amateurs, and that was what they would

00:31:57.329 --> 00:31:59.670
do. They would take your money, and they'd hurt

00:31:59.670 --> 00:32:03.059
you, twist you, try and get you to quit. And

00:32:03.059 --> 00:32:04.920
they got your money, and, you know, they didn't

00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:06.299
have to worry about it. There's some wrestling

00:32:06.299 --> 00:32:10.000
trainers that were famous for, like, crazy physical

00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:12.380
training standards before they ever taught you

00:32:12.380 --> 00:32:14.200
anything. Like Carl Gotch. Oh, yeah. I'm sure

00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:16.519
you know who Carl Gotch is. Carl Gotch, who is

00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:20.369
not just a wrestler, but one of the... He's like

00:32:20.369 --> 00:32:22.150
one of the legends of catch wrestling. Catch

00:32:22.150 --> 00:32:26.410
wrestling is like... It's a lot like submission

00:32:26.410 --> 00:32:29.369
wrestling that you see in the UFC or in jiu -jitsu,

00:32:29.450 --> 00:32:34.529
but it's very wrestling -oriented. Whereas jiu

00:32:34.529 --> 00:32:38.150
-jitsu maybe would be... I don't want to say

00:32:38.150 --> 00:32:41.670
it's less technical, but it's more violent. It's

00:32:41.670 --> 00:32:44.309
a lot of snapping people down and cross -facing.

00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:47.920
guillotines and ten finger guillotines and there's

00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:51.400
still a lot of like um sakuraba was like one

00:32:51.400 --> 00:32:54.420
of the legends of mma learned yeah from uh another

00:32:54.420 --> 00:32:57.119
catch wrestler in japan and a lot of guys who

00:32:57.119 --> 00:32:59.960
like josh barnett is another one who's a big

00:32:59.960 --> 00:33:04.180
uh catch wrestling uh enthusiast he his style

00:33:04.180 --> 00:33:05.960
is all and he you know he submitted a lot of

00:33:05.960 --> 00:33:08.299
like really elite guys but yeah carl gotch was

00:33:08.299 --> 00:33:11.640
famous for making you had to you had to be able

00:33:11.640 --> 00:33:14.740
to do crazy like i think you had to do a thousand

00:33:14.740 --> 00:33:17.339
body weight squats you had to be able to do like

00:33:17.339 --> 00:33:19.299
you had to do all these things before you even

00:33:19.299 --> 00:33:22.200
teach you anything like you had to be fucking

00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:24.460
tip -top magoo before you would ever get into

00:33:24.460 --> 00:33:27.220
those ropes yeah absolutely and that was the

00:33:27.220 --> 00:33:29.519
whole goal was to run you off that you know weed

00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:32.140
out the week read out the week yeah and then

00:33:32.140 --> 00:33:33.920
if you went through all of that and you were

00:33:33.920 --> 00:33:37.039
still there okay well this kid you know you know

00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:38.500
let's see what he you know let's see if we can

00:33:38.779 --> 00:33:40.519
teach him how to do this. But there was that

00:33:40.519 --> 00:33:43.220
big weed out process. And that was, yeah, I think

00:33:43.220 --> 00:33:45.259
Buzz's whole deal, his whole deal was a scam

00:33:45.259 --> 00:33:48.019
from the start. I mean, he, he wanted the money

00:33:48.019 --> 00:33:50.200
and he knew, you know, what, you know, back then

00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:53.240
we had territories before Vince kind of, you

00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:56.039
know, took it nationwide, you know, Texas had

00:33:56.039 --> 00:33:58.630
a territory. California had a couple of territories.

00:33:59.210 --> 00:34:03.450
Oregon. $2 ,000 in 86 is a lot of fucking money.

00:34:03.609 --> 00:34:05.190
That's a lot of money for a kid in college on

00:34:05.190 --> 00:34:08.570
a scholarship. I didn't have shit. I sold everything

00:34:08.570 --> 00:34:13.530
I owned. So you're fucked. How do you go from

00:34:13.530 --> 00:34:19.909
there? I lived in my car for a little bit. You

00:34:19.909 --> 00:34:22.190
know, bounced in bars, collected a little money

00:34:22.190 --> 00:34:24.429
here and there. I just did whatever I could just

00:34:24.429 --> 00:34:27.210
to, you know, keep eating and keep training and

00:34:27.210 --> 00:34:32.070
did what I could. And I knew, so the Von Eriks

00:34:32.070 --> 00:34:37.050
ran Dallas. That was their hub, world -class

00:34:37.050 --> 00:34:39.489
championship wrestling. And I knew that they

00:34:39.489 --> 00:34:42.460
were in the office on Wednesday. Like, they would

00:34:42.460 --> 00:34:44.420
come in there and book the cards, and the guys

00:34:44.420 --> 00:34:46.639
would come in, get their paychecks and shit on

00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:49.179
Wednesday. So every Wednesday for about eight

00:34:49.179 --> 00:34:52.300
months, I would go down there, and I'd sit in

00:34:52.300 --> 00:34:55.780
the lobby. And fucking guys would come right,

00:34:55.840 --> 00:34:59.320
walk right by me, not even acknowledge my presence.

00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:01.619
Every Wednesday? Every Wednesday for eight months,

00:35:01.699 --> 00:35:05.650
I went and just sat there. And eight months.

00:35:05.809 --> 00:35:08.010
Did you ask to speak to anybody? Yeah, so there

00:35:08.010 --> 00:35:10.389
was a referee back there. His name was Bronco

00:35:10.389 --> 00:35:11.750
Lubitsch. He was the only one that would speak

00:35:11.750 --> 00:35:13.949
to me, right? And they would be kind of like,

00:35:14.050 --> 00:35:16.449
you're here again, huh, kid? I was like, yes,

00:35:16.489 --> 00:35:18.550
sir, Mr. Lubitsch. I was hoping maybe I'd get

00:35:18.550 --> 00:35:20.929
a chance to talk to somebody today. All right,

00:35:20.929 --> 00:35:23.789
well, just good luck. And I would sit there.

00:35:24.030 --> 00:35:27.329
And I'd walk by and try to like, as somebody

00:35:27.329 --> 00:35:29.150
would come through, I'd kind of start to stand.

00:35:29.920 --> 00:35:33.159
Fuck, they ever stopped. Just blew right by me.

00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:37.400
One day, I was right at the end of my ride. I

00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:39.320
was like, fuck, I'm not getting anywhere here.

00:35:40.119 --> 00:35:46.119
And Fritz von Erich, the patriarch of the family,

00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:49.920
the guy that owned the company, came in. And

00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:53.460
he walked in, and he stopped, and he looked at

00:35:53.460 --> 00:35:59.210
me. Once again, I started to get up and introduce

00:35:59.210 --> 00:36:01.969
myself. He turned around and went into Bronco's

00:36:01.969 --> 00:36:04.849
office. He had a deep, gravelly voice, and I

00:36:04.849 --> 00:36:08.190
could hear him. He's like, who's that kid out

00:36:08.190 --> 00:36:11.570
there? He's been coming here for months. He's

00:36:11.570 --> 00:36:14.710
just trying to get booked. I heard Fritz go,

00:36:14.889 --> 00:36:18.070
book him. Book him Friday night. I want to see

00:36:18.070 --> 00:36:21.010
what he can do. He looks just like David, one

00:36:21.010 --> 00:36:25.539
of his sons that he had lost. I looked a lot

00:36:25.539 --> 00:36:29.039
like David, and that's how I got my first break.

00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:32.340
Wow. Because I was in the right place at the

00:36:32.340 --> 00:36:35.619
right time. So had you ever practiced? No, I

00:36:35.619 --> 00:36:40.199
was practicing. But I'd never had a real match.

00:36:40.739 --> 00:36:45.260
Every little outlaw, independent kind of deal

00:36:45.260 --> 00:36:48.909
that I could get, I was doing. But I hadn't worked

00:36:48.909 --> 00:36:51.309
with top guys or, you know. When you say, like,

00:36:51.369 --> 00:36:53.869
outlaw independent, like, so you were doing some

00:36:53.869 --> 00:36:58.010
matches? I was doing some matches, but not professional.

00:36:58.329 --> 00:37:01.869
Like, not televised, not for a real company.

00:37:02.150 --> 00:37:05.030
Right. It's just like some jackass, like, okay,

00:37:05.050 --> 00:37:06.909
I'm a wrestling promoter. I'm going to go to

00:37:06.909 --> 00:37:08.690
the Knights of Columbus Hall and see if I can

00:37:08.690 --> 00:37:11.969
put 20 people in here. You know, that's the kind

00:37:11.969 --> 00:37:13.409
of shit you would do. And then you have to go

00:37:13.409 --> 00:37:16.909
for no money. And then, you know, you'd set up

00:37:16.909 --> 00:37:19.909
the ring, whatever you had to do. But the wrestling,

00:37:20.130 --> 00:37:22.050
the time in the ring was what was so valuable

00:37:22.050 --> 00:37:25.869
at that point is getting those reps and getting

00:37:25.869 --> 00:37:32.309
that stuff. So they booked me. And I don't know

00:37:32.309 --> 00:37:35.570
if you've heard of Bruiser Brody. Yes. Yes. Tough

00:37:35.570 --> 00:37:38.750
guy. In anybody's standards back then especially.

00:37:39.690 --> 00:37:46.280
It was my first match. Right. So. I'm a pretty

00:37:46.280 --> 00:37:50.500
respectful guy, and I'm sure in any industry,

00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:54.000
even a new comic, you pay respect to the older

00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:56.059
guy. I mean, it's just the way it should be and

00:37:56.059 --> 00:37:59.340
the way it really was back then, especially in

00:37:59.340 --> 00:38:03.119
our business. You didn't say much. You spoke

00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:09.420
when spoken to kind of deal. And so Bruiser Brody

00:38:09.420 --> 00:38:12.699
is my first professional match, right? Wow. I

00:38:12.699 --> 00:38:17.550
don't know. I'm 20. 21 maybe. And, uh, I'm, you

00:38:17.550 --> 00:38:19.190
know, I'm in the ring and I'm looking at him.

00:38:19.250 --> 00:38:23.250
I'm like, fuck, I'm bigger than he is. This is

00:38:23.250 --> 00:38:25.510
the shit that's going on in my head. Right now.

00:38:25.590 --> 00:38:27.590
I'm so nervous. Like you couldn't have drove

00:38:27.590 --> 00:38:29.489
a nail up my ass with a sledgehammer. I'm so

00:38:29.489 --> 00:38:31.889
nervous to start with, but I'm looking at like

00:38:31.889 --> 00:38:34.670
that, that, that stupid voice in the back of

00:38:34.670 --> 00:38:36.289
my head. It's like, you're fucking bigger than

00:38:36.289 --> 00:38:38.829
he is. You know, cause bruiser Brody was bigger

00:38:38.829 --> 00:38:41.130
than life, man. He had all that hair and he was

00:38:41.130 --> 00:38:47.030
just. He was an animal, right? So the bell rings,

00:38:47.170 --> 00:38:50.769
and I tie up with him, collar and elbow, and

00:38:50.769 --> 00:38:54.429
I jam him up into a corner. Hey, kid, lighten

00:38:54.429 --> 00:38:57.030
up a little bit, kid. Relax. And I'm just like,

00:38:57.449 --> 00:39:00.030
I mean, my body's like angle iron, right? I'm

00:39:00.030 --> 00:39:04.010
so just, whoa. Anyway, so I go to shove him,

00:39:04.070 --> 00:39:07.550
and my hands, you know, we're kind of hand fighting

00:39:07.550 --> 00:39:09.550
a little bit, and my hand slips off, and I kind

00:39:09.550 --> 00:39:12.900
of. You know, I kind of palm him in the face.

00:39:15.019 --> 00:39:16.820
Temperature in the room changed a little bit

00:39:16.820 --> 00:39:23.000
at that moment. So we tie up again, and I'm about

00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:26.260
to shoot him across the ring, and I shoot him

00:39:26.260 --> 00:39:28.300
across the ring, and I'm yelling, like, I'm going

00:39:28.300 --> 00:39:31.400
to hit him with a clothesline. So I tell him,

00:39:31.460 --> 00:39:34.500
clothesline, right? He comes off the ropes like

00:39:34.500 --> 00:39:39.519
a bullet, like a 6 '5". 300 -pound bullet, and

00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:45.039
he kicks me square in my fucking jaw. My eyes

00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:49.019
rolled back in my head, and next thing I know,

00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:51.599
he's grabbing me. He's like, let's go for a walk,

00:39:51.699 --> 00:39:55.760
right? So he throws me out of the ring and throws

00:39:55.760 --> 00:39:59.159
me down on this table in this place called the

00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:01.079
Sportatorium in Dallas. They've torn it down

00:40:01.079 --> 00:40:04.199
now, but they had the folding chairs that had,

00:40:04.340 --> 00:40:08.019
they were metal. But then they had the wood slats.

00:40:09.539 --> 00:40:13.739
Fuck. He takes this chair as hard as he can.

00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:16.760
We're not talking about the metal folding chairs,

00:40:16.900 --> 00:40:18.519
which hurt enough in their own right when you

00:40:18.519 --> 00:40:21.099
get hit enough times with them. He swings as

00:40:21.099 --> 00:40:23.960
hard as he can. This chair just fucking explodes.

00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:29.199
Wood slats fly all over the place. I'm thinking,

00:40:29.260 --> 00:40:32.119
I've never been hit so hard. I've been hit, you

00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:34.659
know, but I've never been hit that hard. by anything

00:40:34.659 --> 00:40:37.800
at that point. He throws me back in the ring,

00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:40.420
ties me all up in the ropes, right? I'm greener

00:40:40.420 --> 00:40:41.960
than shit. Don't know what the hell I'm doing.

00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:45.760
And he just starts hitting the other ropes and

00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:47.800
coming and just kicking me as hard as he can

00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:52.519
in the head. Oh, my God. And I deserved it. You

00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:54.219
know, I mean, he was giving me a lesson that

00:40:54.219 --> 00:40:58.500
I needed to learn. Anyway, a couple of minutes

00:40:58.500 --> 00:41:00.960
later, boom, he pins me. And, you know, that

00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:04.710
was it. We go back to the dressing room, and

00:41:04.710 --> 00:41:07.250
I'm like, holy shit, I just got the shit kicked

00:41:07.250 --> 00:41:11.349
out of me. And I went over to him. I was like,

00:41:11.449 --> 00:41:15.530
Mr. Brody, thank you. He said, all right, kid,

00:41:15.690 --> 00:41:19.010
just relax next time, will you? I was like, yes,

00:41:19.030 --> 00:41:21.670
sir. I just appreciate being in the ring with

00:41:21.670 --> 00:41:25.750
you. And went back off in my corner to kind of

00:41:25.750 --> 00:41:30.010
gather where I was. And I overheard him telling

00:41:30.010 --> 00:41:32.539
the promoter, he's like. fuck, you ought to book

00:41:32.539 --> 00:41:34.119
this kid some more. They were trying to find

00:41:34.119 --> 00:41:36.880
someplace else to send me. He said, that kid's

00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:41.980
going to be something. But at the time, I was

00:41:41.980 --> 00:41:43.380
too green. I didn't know what the fuck I was

00:41:43.380 --> 00:41:46.119
doing, so I had to go somewhere else. But that

00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:49.980
was my first introduction into wrestling, and

00:41:49.980 --> 00:41:52.380
I got thumped pretty good. Isn't it crazy when

00:41:52.380 --> 00:41:54.280
you think back to the days in the gym when you

00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:56.119
were getting ready to go play basketball? If

00:41:56.119 --> 00:41:59.880
you didn't meet that guy, who knows where you

00:41:59.880 --> 00:42:03.760
would have gone? Yeah, I would have probably

00:42:03.760 --> 00:42:06.699
tried to make a team somewhere, but I don't think

00:42:06.699 --> 00:42:08.480
that would have lasted because I wasn't real,

00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:11.119
you know, I mean, I was limited. I mean, I wasn't,

00:42:11.139 --> 00:42:14.659
you know, my game was limited enough. I would

00:42:14.659 --> 00:42:16.360
have probably ended up in the military, I'm pretty

00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:20.119
sure. Isn't it crazy how life just, I mean, do

00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:21.460
you ever think about that? I think about it all

00:42:21.460 --> 00:42:23.440
the time. That one dude who was like your doorway

00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:27.000
to a different life, to becoming a superstar.

00:42:27.340 --> 00:42:30.119
There's one guy. You run into one guy in your

00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:33.099
life. It changes your direction, and then all

00:42:33.099 --> 00:42:35.980
of a sudden you become wildly successful at this

00:42:35.980 --> 00:42:38.000
other thing that you were not even really considering.

00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:41.460
Yeah, it's nuts. And just the fact that I went

00:42:41.460 --> 00:42:44.480
to and sat in that lobby for eight months. Eight

00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:48.099
months. And it was at the end. I was like, fuck,

00:42:48.179 --> 00:42:50.219
this is getting me nowhere. And then just one

00:42:50.219 --> 00:42:52.989
day. That is what people need to hear, man. In

00:42:52.989 --> 00:42:54.670
this day and age, everybody wants everything

00:42:54.670 --> 00:42:57.670
to happen right away. Yeah. You know? That is.

00:42:57.909 --> 00:42:59.869
Everybody's got that sense, one, the sense of

00:42:59.869 --> 00:43:02.989
entitlement and figure they're owed something.

00:43:03.190 --> 00:43:05.769
Yeah. And, you know, and aren't willing to put

00:43:05.769 --> 00:43:09.909
in the grind. Yeah. And, you know, I tell people,

00:43:10.030 --> 00:43:13.070
you know, yeah, I was living in my car. Yeah.

00:43:13.130 --> 00:43:15.130
You know, sometimes I could stay with my brother,

00:43:15.190 --> 00:43:16.610
but there was a lot of nights I had to sleep

00:43:16.610 --> 00:43:21.059
in a Monte Carlo with fucking... at 6 '8 and

00:43:21.059 --> 00:43:24.500
315 pounds is not real comfortable. Is there

00:43:24.500 --> 00:43:28.280
more of a pathway, like an obvious pathway, for

00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:31.500
a guy to get into pro wrestling today? So, yeah.

00:43:31.880 --> 00:43:36.900
So we have in Orlando, it's called the Performance

00:43:36.900 --> 00:43:41.739
Center. And they have, you know, there's still

00:43:41.739 --> 00:43:44.460
wrestling schools, legitimate wrestling schools

00:43:44.460 --> 00:43:48.420
around the country. And then every once, I don't

00:43:48.420 --> 00:43:50.300
know how many times a year, Then they'll have

00:43:50.300 --> 00:43:53.159
a call there at the PC like, okay, you go in

00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:57.219
and they test you and see if you're, one, physically

00:43:57.219 --> 00:43:59.760
fit enough to do it. And then, two, you know,

00:43:59.860 --> 00:44:03.159
do you have some personality? Do you have something

00:44:03.159 --> 00:44:04.800
that you can bring to the table that might be

00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:10.179
a draw? And then if they book you, I mean, this

00:44:10.179 --> 00:44:13.300
is the crazy part right here. If they feel like

00:44:13.300 --> 00:44:17.000
you might have, you know, a chance or something

00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:20.150
to offer. You get a contract right there, and

00:44:20.150 --> 00:44:22.929
you get a contract to train. Really? All you

00:44:22.929 --> 00:44:27.949
have to do is train. That's how far we've come.

00:44:28.110 --> 00:44:30.789
That's amazing. From my story. Eight months in

00:44:30.789 --> 00:44:33.210
the lobby. Eight months in the lobby, getting

00:44:33.210 --> 00:44:37.230
people walking by to, all right, this is your

00:44:37.230 --> 00:44:40.210
contract. Yeah, this is our place in Orlando

00:44:40.210 --> 00:44:42.730
right here. Well, you know, it makes sense for

00:44:42.730 --> 00:44:46.300
them because, I mean, you need talent. Absolutely.

00:44:46.300 --> 00:44:49.099
You constantly need new talent. Why not just

00:44:49.099 --> 00:44:51.800
train them and groom them? Exactly. You train

00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:53.780
them and groom them in the way that you want.

00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:57.420
We send guys to the combine now, the NFL combine.

00:44:58.179 --> 00:45:01.780
Really? They sit there and talk. Who's going

00:45:01.780 --> 00:45:07.400
to make it? Who's not going to make it? We go

00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:13.159
all over the world now. They recruit in China.

00:45:13.690 --> 00:45:17.010
The Middle East, everywhere we have TV programming,

00:45:17.230 --> 00:45:20.989
which makes sense as well, they're looking for

00:45:20.989 --> 00:45:25.630
that hometown star. If we go to Saudi or somewhere

00:45:25.630 --> 00:45:27.809
in Dubai or someplace like that, if you've got

00:45:27.809 --> 00:45:30.489
somebody local, that's just great business. How

00:45:30.489 --> 00:45:38.690
did you become The Undertaker? So that's Vince's

00:45:38.690 --> 00:45:41.829
brainchild. So I went to another company, WCW.

00:45:42.300 --> 00:45:46.159
where I was mean Mark Callis. And right there,

00:45:46.179 --> 00:45:49.639
check that young stud out right there. That's

00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:54.000
terrifying, isn't it? You look like an enormous

00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:59.900
hobbit. Yeah, we can take that down anytime.

00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:12.849
So I go there. I was there about eight or nine

00:46:12.849 --> 00:46:17.090
months, and my contract was coming up. And I

00:46:17.090 --> 00:46:20.349
go in to renegotiate my contract, and they were

00:46:20.349 --> 00:46:24.550
like, look, you're a great athlete, kid, but

00:46:24.550 --> 00:46:26.090
no one's ever going to pay money to watch you

00:46:26.090 --> 00:46:29.369
wrestle. Like, I'm just looking for a little

00:46:29.369 --> 00:46:31.190
bit of bump, right? A little bump in my paycheck.

00:46:31.289 --> 00:46:33.949
I'm not looking for the mega deal. I'm just looking

00:46:33.949 --> 00:46:37.070
for a little bit of bump. Now, we're going to

00:46:37.070 --> 00:46:41.170
give you the same deal for a year. I mean, you

00:46:41.170 --> 00:46:44.329
do great things in the ring, but no one's ever

00:46:44.329 --> 00:46:46.230
going to pay money to see you wrestle. Did they

00:46:46.230 --> 00:46:48.130
give you advice on how to get someone to pay

00:46:48.130 --> 00:46:52.750
you? No. Wow. That was it. That was it. So I'm

00:46:52.750 --> 00:46:55.349
like, okay, I know where my ceiling is here,

00:46:55.449 --> 00:47:00.570
right? So just through a few different people,

00:47:00.610 --> 00:47:04.730
I get connected with some people in the WWF at

00:47:04.730 --> 00:47:09.750
the time. It's WWE now. I had a match coming

00:47:09.750 --> 00:47:11.869
up, and my hip was already bad at that point,

00:47:11.909 --> 00:47:15.090
even back then. Yeah. It got much worse, but

00:47:15.090 --> 00:47:20.630
I was already limping. And I just heard it when

00:47:20.630 --> 00:47:23.389
we got Vince. They had said, all right, they've

00:47:23.389 --> 00:47:27.230
got a pay -per -view just watching work. So Vince

00:47:27.230 --> 00:47:30.590
watches me work, and I'm calm. I'm talking to

00:47:30.590 --> 00:47:33.679
my buddy Bruce. I'm like. Bruce, my hip is jacked.

00:47:33.679 --> 00:47:35.380
He goes, just go out there. Vince is going to

00:47:35.380 --> 00:47:37.460
be watching, right? So I'm working with a guy

00:47:37.460 --> 00:47:39.699
by the name of Lex Luger. Went out there and

00:47:39.699 --> 00:47:42.739
did what I could. I sucked. I mean, I was physically,

00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:46.340
you know, I was physically not able really to

00:47:46.340 --> 00:47:49.360
go the way I could go. And Vince wasn't impressed.

00:47:49.639 --> 00:47:52.119
You know, he's like, okay, he's, you know, he's

00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:55.960
running the mill. Fortunately, guys like, you

00:47:55.960 --> 00:48:00.119
know, Paul Heyman and Bruce Pritchard. you know,

00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:03.460
they believed in me and they kind of kept pushing

00:48:03.460 --> 00:48:06.579
for me to get this meeting with Vince. And finally

00:48:06.579 --> 00:48:09.139
I did. And he calls me, I got to go to his house.

00:48:09.139 --> 00:48:12.719
Right. So I go to his house, Vince's house. Like

00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:18.119
it's nice. It's fucking nice. He's in Connecticut,

00:48:18.119 --> 00:48:22.519
man. He's yeah. So I'm up in call to the castle.

00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:24.579
Oh dude. Yeah. And that's what I'm thinking.

00:48:24.619 --> 00:48:26.280
Right. Cause most people go to. you know, the

00:48:26.280 --> 00:48:28.579
office, to the towers there in Stanford, right?

00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:30.119
And I'm thinking, fuck, I'm going to the house.

00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:35.599
I got this shit, right? So I go in and I have

00:48:35.599 --> 00:48:37.699
the meeting. The meeting goes for about an hour

00:48:37.699 --> 00:48:43.179
and a half. And, you know, there's a lot of...

00:48:43.179 --> 00:48:48.239
Does he have a butler? I know he had a housekeeper.

00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:51.280
I would imagine there'd be a dude with a British

00:48:51.280 --> 00:48:53.699
accent answering the door. I never saw him. No

00:48:53.699 --> 00:48:55.460
sleeves, just ripped. Yeah, right. You had to

00:48:55.460 --> 00:48:58.360
be, everybody's jacked. It works for rips. So

00:48:58.360 --> 00:49:07.039
I go there and, you know, granted, we do some

00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:11.480
hokey shit. It is what it is. And they really,

00:49:11.579 --> 00:49:13.800
at that point, had some really, really fucking

00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:19.119
goofy characters. you know, so that we're having

00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:20.800
this, we're sitting in his living room and he

00:49:20.800 --> 00:49:23.139
goes, well, Mark, you gotta be hidden talents,

00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:24.719
you know, other than, you know, wrestling. Do

00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:26.679
you do anything? Yeah. And I'm trying to be funny

00:49:26.679 --> 00:49:29.719
and not nervous. And, uh, well, you know, I was

00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:31.159
sitting in the shower pretty good. And as soon

00:49:31.159 --> 00:49:33.280
as I said it, right. I'm like, Oh fuck. I shouldn't

00:49:33.280 --> 00:49:35.659
have said that. I'm going to be fucking, I'm

00:49:35.659 --> 00:49:37.579
going to be fucking shower guys. You know, something,

00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:41.679
something silly, right? Yeah. I'm going to have

00:49:41.679 --> 00:49:44.400
to say, you know, I'm thinking, I'm like, Oh

00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:47.500
shit. I should not have said that, right? And

00:49:47.500 --> 00:49:49.199
then I'm like, I'm kidding. I'm trying to clear

00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:50.980
the air right away. I'm just kidding. I can't

00:49:50.980 --> 00:49:54.760
sing. And he's got the look, right? And he can

00:49:54.760 --> 00:49:58.739
read people. And he's like, really? No, I can't.

00:49:58.739 --> 00:50:01.800
I can't. So I got this long meeting. And at the

00:50:01.800 --> 00:50:04.900
end of the meeting, he goes, well, we don't have

00:50:04.900 --> 00:50:08.840
anything for you right now. I'm thinking, oh,

00:50:08.860 --> 00:50:12.519
fuck. I guess I overplayed my hand here because

00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:15.469
I'd already give. WCW, my notice that I was leaving.

00:50:15.570 --> 00:50:17.630
I like, fuck, I got it. I mean, this is what

00:50:17.630 --> 00:50:19.489
I'm thinking in my head. Right. I was like, he

00:50:19.489 --> 00:50:21.190
invited me to the house. He's going to hire me.

00:50:21.210 --> 00:50:24.869
Right. So you guys, I see you guys down the road.

00:50:24.949 --> 00:50:27.349
So now I'm sitting there. Fuck, I got no job.

00:50:28.530 --> 00:50:34.289
And anyway, so one day it's getting, it's getting

00:50:34.289 --> 00:50:38.590
close to Thanksgiving and they start doing this

00:50:38.590 --> 00:50:41.650
promotion where they've got this giant fucking

00:50:41.650 --> 00:50:44.420
egg. Have you heard this story? Oh, yeah. The

00:50:44.420 --> 00:50:47.619
gobbledygook. The gobbledygooker, right? So we

00:50:47.619 --> 00:50:50.659
do a pay -per -view around Thanksgiving. It's

00:50:50.659 --> 00:50:53.440
called Survivor Series. So this year, this particular

00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:56.800
year, it's 1990. They're going to... Yeah, there

00:50:56.800 --> 00:51:00.460
it is. They've got this giant egg on the set,

00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:03.219
on the TV every week. And I'm sitting there thinking

00:51:03.219 --> 00:51:07.340
to myself, holy fuck. I'm going to be... Now

00:51:07.340 --> 00:51:09.440
I've gone from shower guy, now I think I'm going

00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:11.920
to be Eggman, right? Fuck, I'm going to have

00:51:11.920 --> 00:51:15.940
to... I'm trying to grow my hair out. Fuck, he's

00:51:15.940 --> 00:51:17.300
going to make me shave my head. I'm going to

00:51:17.300 --> 00:51:20.360
shave my eyebrows. I'm going to be fucking Eggman.

00:51:21.380 --> 00:51:25.639
I'm a nervous wreck. One day I'm sitting at home.

00:51:25.739 --> 00:51:29.619
Phone rings. I get up and go answer it because

00:51:29.619 --> 00:51:32.219
we didn't have cell phones back then. Hello?

00:51:33.079 --> 00:51:37.380
He goes, is this The Undertaker? I was like,

00:51:37.460 --> 00:51:47.059
Undertaker. Undertaker and Eggman. Fuck, Undertaker.

00:51:47.119 --> 00:51:49.780
That's pretty fucking cool. Yeah, yeah, this

00:51:49.780 --> 00:51:52.519
is Undertaker. And it was Vince, and that was

00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:55.099
how he introduced the character to me. He called

00:51:55.099 --> 00:51:57.239
you up and asked you if you're the Undertaker.

00:51:57.239 --> 00:51:59.980
Yeah, and I had no clue to what it was. Wow.

00:52:00.940 --> 00:52:05.159
And I said... Yeah, I'm the Undertaker because

00:52:05.159 --> 00:52:07.300
I knew it wasn't Eggman and everything had to

00:52:07.300 --> 00:52:08.840
be better than Eggman. He wasn't singing the

00:52:08.840 --> 00:52:10.360
shower guide. Yeah, he wasn't singing the shower

00:52:10.360 --> 00:52:13.300
guide. It wasn't Eggman. Flew me up to Connecticut

00:52:13.300 --> 00:52:15.500
the next day, showed me the storyboards, and

00:52:15.500 --> 00:52:18.480
the character, the original character, is based

00:52:18.480 --> 00:52:22.260
on an old Western Undertaker. You know, the two

00:52:22.260 --> 00:52:24.480
guys in Main Street, they had the fucking shootout.

00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:27.900
One guy loses, Undertaker comes out and measures

00:52:27.900 --> 00:52:31.099
him, does the box. Well, that was the original

00:52:31.099 --> 00:52:36.230
likeness. and the name The Undertaker. And he

00:52:36.230 --> 00:52:39.250
had just never found the guy. He had had it for

00:52:39.250 --> 00:52:41.590
years, I guess. So why did he send you away the

00:52:41.590 --> 00:52:45.559
first time? At the time, he didn't have a spot

00:52:45.559 --> 00:52:47.880
for me. But he was thinking. But he was thinking,

00:52:48.019 --> 00:52:50.280
and then it kind of dawned on him that he had

00:52:50.280 --> 00:52:52.619
that character, and he just needed a big guy

00:52:52.619 --> 00:52:58.239
with no personality. He needed a guy that was

00:52:58.239 --> 00:53:01.980
void of personality to do the deal, and he gave

00:53:01.980 --> 00:53:05.900
it to me, and there's my debut right there. That's

00:53:05.900 --> 00:53:09.219
November of 1990. And I was six years old and

00:53:09.219 --> 00:53:12.360
I was shitting my pants. Were you? This was the

00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:14.840
scariest thing you can imagine for a six -year

00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:16.559
-old. You know, you're watching all these. It

00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:19.039
was some guy in a chicken suit that came out

00:53:19.039 --> 00:53:20.860
of that egg to show you how silly things were

00:53:20.860 --> 00:53:23.239
back then. So it had our attention. And then

00:53:23.239 --> 00:53:25.099
all of a sudden this guy comes out and he's like

00:53:25.099 --> 00:53:27.260
half dead and you don't know what's going on

00:53:27.260 --> 00:53:31.019
and he's scary. And dominant more than anything.

00:53:31.260 --> 00:53:35.449
Yeah, the thing was dominant. But this is the

00:53:35.449 --> 00:53:39.230
era of everything. I mean, you could tell. This

00:53:39.230 --> 00:53:42.409
guy's in bright pink. So that's Coco Beware.

00:53:44.070 --> 00:53:46.309
Yeah, he's wearing some hot yoga pants. Yeah,

00:53:46.309 --> 00:53:48.670
that's, you know. I mean, you know, that guy

00:53:48.670 --> 00:53:50.530
had a parrot on his shoulder when he came to

00:53:50.530 --> 00:53:53.449
the ring. Did he? Yeah. Right, was it a parrot?

00:53:54.070 --> 00:53:57.690
Yeah, yeah, Frankie. How does one do a pile driver

00:53:57.690 --> 00:54:00.329
and not hurt your opponent? This is the guy to

00:54:00.329 --> 00:54:08.019
ask. Yeah. I mean, it's the way you grab them.

00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:11.119
You just got to be strong enough to support their

00:54:11.119 --> 00:54:16.940
body. And the key for me is when my knees start,

00:54:17.139 --> 00:54:21.960
I'm kind of pulling them up. So it's kind of

00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:25.739
like a shock absorber. Ideally, the head never

00:54:25.739 --> 00:54:28.719
touches. Did you ever see the fight between Bob

00:54:28.719 --> 00:54:31.719
Sapp and Minotauro Noguera in Pride? Yeah. That

00:54:31.719 --> 00:54:34.019
ruined that guy for the rest of his career. Yeah.

00:54:34.119 --> 00:54:36.860
Bob Sapp actually pile -drived him. And Bob Sapp

00:54:36.860 --> 00:54:41.019
was 375 with abs. Yeah. He was a freak. Yeah.

00:54:41.059 --> 00:54:43.719
And he pile -drived Nogueira, who was at the

00:54:43.719 --> 00:54:46.480
time the heavyweight champion. Yeah. It's crazy.

00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:51.300
Rampage suplexed some guys. Oh, my God. Arona.

00:54:51.639 --> 00:54:54.340
Ricardo Arona. Oh, my gosh. Well, he suplexed

00:54:54.340 --> 00:54:55.800
a lot of guys. He slammed a lot of guys. But

00:54:55.800 --> 00:54:58.780
Ricardo Arona was the worst slam I've ever seen

00:54:58.780 --> 00:55:02.519
in my life. Ricardo Arona caught Rampage in a

00:55:02.519 --> 00:55:04.880
triangle. And Rampage picked him up. And instead

00:55:04.880 --> 00:55:07.019
of abandoning the triangle, he tried to hang

00:55:07.019 --> 00:55:09.840
on. And Rampage picked him up like a pillow.

00:55:10.219 --> 00:55:11.860
like you know like you would hit some like your

00:55:11.860 --> 00:55:13.619
little brother over the head with a pillow like

00:55:13.619 --> 00:55:16.900
you'd lift back like this and then boom and he

00:55:16.900 --> 00:55:19.719
slams him into the into the mat and then his

00:55:19.719 --> 00:55:24.000
head collides with arona's head upon impact yeah

00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:28.099
that's the same way uh rose lost to uh similar

00:55:28.099 --> 00:55:30.639
yeah yeah similar way yeah she didn't she didn't

00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:33.280
let go yeah exactly dropped on her head yeah

00:55:33.280 --> 00:55:35.039
you gotta let go when you get picked up in a

00:55:35.039 --> 00:55:36.800
triangle you gotta let go or you gotta hook a

00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:43.429
leg it's hard I think for fighters, us, it's

00:55:43.429 --> 00:55:46.010
part of every day deal, but I think for a fighter,

00:55:46.150 --> 00:55:48.909
it has to screw up your whole perspective because

00:55:48.909 --> 00:55:51.510
you don't expect somebody to be able to do that

00:55:51.510 --> 00:55:54.889
to you. You know what I'm saying? Your instinct,

00:55:55.090 --> 00:56:00.269
I would imagine, is to squeeze tighter. The issue

00:56:00.269 --> 00:56:02.789
is it's hard to get a secure triangle. So if

00:56:02.789 --> 00:56:04.750
you get to the point where your leg is like that,

00:56:04.809 --> 00:56:06.969
you're literally locked in, you don't want to

00:56:06.969 --> 00:56:09.590
let that go. But you gotta. Yeah, especially

00:56:09.590 --> 00:56:12.210
when you're looking over the top of the cage,

00:56:12.349 --> 00:56:15.269
something ain't right. Especially when Rampage

00:56:15.269 --> 00:56:18.030
was so fucking strong. That's a scary moment

00:56:18.030 --> 00:56:20.190
because Ricardo Arona was really never the same

00:56:20.190 --> 00:56:22.650
again. Never the same again. Because before that,

00:56:22.690 --> 00:56:24.610
he was a big contender. He was an elite guy,

00:56:24.730 --> 00:56:28.190
built like a Greek god. He was a killer. But

00:56:28.190 --> 00:56:31.269
that one slam changed his whole career. He was

00:56:31.269 --> 00:56:35.230
never the same again. Yeah, it was nasty. That

00:56:35.230 --> 00:56:39.699
was really nasty. In wrestling, the amount of

00:56:39.699 --> 00:56:43.320
trust that guy has to have in you is off the

00:56:43.320 --> 00:56:48.039
charts. Yeah, it really is. I mean, we've established

00:56:48.039 --> 00:56:49.659
at this point, I think everybody understands

00:56:49.659 --> 00:56:52.219
what wrestling is. I mean, it's sports entertainment.

00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:55.820
And I think everybody's kind of gotten over the

00:56:55.820 --> 00:56:58.280
fact that that's what we are. We're entertainment.

00:56:58.699 --> 00:57:00.760
But I don't think what people really realize

00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:03.800
is that in any given match on any given day,

00:57:03.900 --> 00:57:07.260
you're two inches away. from something catastrophic

00:57:07.260 --> 00:57:11.440
happening. And it, and it is, I mean, it just,

00:57:11.539 --> 00:57:15.139
it's that it's that it's two inches from being,

00:57:15.139 --> 00:57:18.320
but Holy shit. That was really impressive to

00:57:18.320 --> 00:57:20.300
Holy shit. That guy ain't getting up. Right.

00:57:20.380 --> 00:57:23.119
And I think, I think a lot of people that, you

00:57:23.119 --> 00:57:24.980
know, that, that shit on wrestling, they don't,

00:57:24.980 --> 00:57:27.679
they don't understand. They don't understand

00:57:27.679 --> 00:57:30.579
that aspect. And you're right. And it does take

00:57:30.579 --> 00:57:33.900
an enormous amount of trust. And it's really

00:57:33.900 --> 00:57:36.639
hard to get in the ring with somebody. That's

00:57:36.639 --> 00:57:39.079
hurt a few people. Right. I mean, you have to

00:57:39.079 --> 00:57:43.260
be, you know, I mean, I mean, I've, I lost, you

00:57:43.260 --> 00:57:45.539
know, I've lost both eye sockets, but one was

00:57:45.539 --> 00:57:47.559
just because the guy was completely out of shape.

00:57:48.119 --> 00:57:49.900
There's so many, there's a lot of similarities.

00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:53.980
It's one's a sporting event and one sports entertainment

00:57:53.980 --> 00:57:59.800
talking about MMA, but you know, there's conditioning

00:57:59.800 --> 00:58:04.320
is kind of, I think the key to everything. And,

00:58:04.340 --> 00:58:06.820
you know, the guy was out of shape. He was 6

00:58:06.820 --> 00:58:11.980
'8", 500 pounds, and I ran straight into what

00:58:11.980 --> 00:58:15.099
was supposed to be a clothesline. But he was

00:58:15.099 --> 00:58:20.719
so gassed and behind in the spot that instead

00:58:20.719 --> 00:58:23.679
of catching the meat of his forearm, I ran right

00:58:23.679 --> 00:58:27.960
dead into his fist with his momentum coming off

00:58:27.960 --> 00:58:31.579
of the ropes. Oh, jeez. Just blew my, you know,

00:58:31.599 --> 00:58:35.269
my eye socket. completely apart and you know

00:58:35.269 --> 00:58:38.610
dumb ass me i didn't know it for for three days

00:58:38.610 --> 00:58:41.429
but but that's the kind of stuff that did you

00:58:41.429 --> 00:58:43.550
have to get it operated on oh yeah yeah i've

00:58:43.550 --> 00:58:46.070
had them both rebuilt oh jesus but i didn't you

00:58:46.070 --> 00:58:48.929
had to wear the mask yeah wow that's yeah so

00:58:48.929 --> 00:58:51.809
so you were just wrestling with a broken orbital

00:58:51.809 --> 00:58:53.789
well i'd already had the surgery at this point

00:58:53.789 --> 00:58:57.630
but that was just uh so that happened that match

00:58:57.630 --> 00:59:00.079
happened And like I said, back then, we didn't

00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:04.579
have doctors with us and trainers. So it's funny

00:59:04.579 --> 00:59:07.019
how I found out that my face was shattered. So

00:59:07.019 --> 00:59:10.500
I wrestled three more days. With a shattered

00:59:10.500 --> 00:59:15.119
face? With my orbital socket blown out. So I

00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:20.539
wrestled three more days, right? And as stupid

00:59:20.539 --> 00:59:23.840
as it sounds, it's normal for our world back

00:59:23.840 --> 00:59:28.179
then. You worked hard. It's just the way you

00:59:28.179 --> 00:59:30.300
did it. If you could walk, you go to the ring.

00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:35.059
And I think, you know, that was part of the mystique

00:59:35.059 --> 00:59:36.440
of the guys. They were tough guys, you know.

00:59:36.619 --> 00:59:42.800
And I think, so I work, and me and the Godfather,

00:59:42.860 --> 00:59:45.800
he's another wrestler, great dude. We were going

00:59:45.800 --> 00:59:48.400
to meet up after the show at some bar and hang

00:59:48.400 --> 00:59:52.199
out, right? And we were in Springfield, Massachusetts.

00:59:54.389 --> 00:59:57.769
Like, I'm looking for the bar, and I can't find

00:59:57.769 --> 01:00:01.289
it. So I finally give up. Once again, we don't

01:00:01.289 --> 01:00:03.730
have cell phones back then. So I give up. I'm

01:00:03.730 --> 01:00:05.329
going to go back to my hotel. So I'm driving,

01:00:05.429 --> 01:00:09.289
and I pass this hospital. I said, you know what?

01:00:09.590 --> 01:00:11.429
Something just ain't right. Because every time,

01:00:11.510 --> 01:00:13.590
you know, I just, like that, my face would just

01:00:13.590 --> 01:00:18.409
blow up. And I'm going to just go in and get

01:00:18.409 --> 01:00:20.030
this. If there's nobody in there in the emergency

01:00:20.030 --> 01:00:21.630
room, I'm going to go in and get this thing checked

01:00:21.630 --> 01:00:24.769
out. So sure enough, I drive through. I don't

01:00:24.769 --> 01:00:26.489
see anybody in the emergency room, so I go in.

01:00:27.530 --> 01:00:32.150
It's midnight. I go in. They do a CAT scan. Doctor.

01:00:32.949 --> 01:00:36.150
He comes out. He goes, he says, do you have an

01:00:36.150 --> 01:00:38.510
ophthalmologist? And I was like, no. He goes,

01:00:38.630 --> 01:00:42.070
well, you need to find one. And you're going

01:00:42.070 --> 01:00:44.369
to need a surgeon, too. I'm like, what are you

01:00:44.369 --> 01:00:48.230
talking about? He goes, you've lost 50 % of your

01:00:48.230 --> 01:00:53.010
orbital floor. It's gone. I'm like, really? I'm

01:00:53.010 --> 01:00:56.809
like, okay. So I go home. I call and say, look,

01:00:56.889 --> 01:00:59.309
I got to go home. I had this injury. So they

01:00:59.309 --> 01:01:02.429
go, I get home. They do another scan, another

01:01:02.429 --> 01:01:05.250
CAT scan. They said, no, you've lost more like

01:01:05.250 --> 01:01:10.269
70 % of it. So they end up doing the surgery,

01:01:10.389 --> 01:01:13.250
two surgeons, one to, so they, you know, they

01:01:13.250 --> 01:01:16.079
go inside the eyelid. make the incision. One

01:01:16.079 --> 01:01:18.960
surgeon holds up the eye and the nerve while

01:01:18.960 --> 01:01:20.900
the other one picks out all the pieces and puts

01:01:20.900 --> 01:01:23.760
in the, in the mesh kind of thing. That's going

01:01:23.760 --> 01:01:27.800
to be your eye socket. Come to find out I'd lost

01:01:27.800 --> 01:01:33.440
90 % of my orbital floor and my optic nerve was

01:01:33.440 --> 01:01:36.099
sitting right on top of a piece of jagged bone.

01:01:36.320 --> 01:01:39.099
Oh, Jesus. If I took another shot to that side

01:01:39.099 --> 01:01:42.059
of my head, I'd have probably lost the eye or

01:01:42.059 --> 01:01:45.099
my sight. And it's just, Because we didn't, you

01:01:45.099 --> 01:01:46.960
know. So your eye was just hanging on. It was

01:01:46.960 --> 01:01:48.380
just hanging. It was just sitting on a piece

01:01:48.380 --> 01:01:52.039
of jagged bone. And that would have been it.

01:01:52.099 --> 01:01:53.739
You couldn't have. Yeah. I mean, I would have

01:01:53.739 --> 01:01:56.099
been, yeah, I'd have been done. And, you know,

01:01:56.099 --> 01:02:00.219
so I had the surgery. So the mask, I healed,

01:02:00.280 --> 01:02:02.679
I don't know, maybe six weeks. Went and had the

01:02:02.679 --> 01:02:05.960
mask made and wrestled in that for a while and

01:02:05.960 --> 01:02:09.179
made it part of the story. So what do they put

01:02:09.179 --> 01:02:14.909
back there? The mesh. It's a, it's a. So my other

01:02:14.909 --> 01:02:17.449
eye that I did, they have, it's titanium, but

01:02:17.449 --> 01:02:20.789
this is, it's, it's a, it's a, it's not titanium,

01:02:20.789 --> 01:02:25.869
but it's kind of a, a wire mesh that's, that's

01:02:25.869 --> 01:02:29.550
just, it's screwed into my, into the bone and

01:02:29.550 --> 01:02:33.190
it works as my orbital floor. So you don't have

01:02:33.190 --> 01:02:35.050
an orbital floor in that eye anymore. You just

01:02:35.050 --> 01:02:37.329
have this wire mesh. Yeah. Is what it looks like.

01:02:37.329 --> 01:02:38.809
Yeah. That's what it looks like. Yeah. Do you

01:02:38.809 --> 01:02:40.969
feel anything back there sometimes? No, never.

01:02:41.730 --> 01:02:47.889
Holy shit. The second one, my right side, I had

01:02:47.889 --> 01:02:50.190
a blowout fracture. And funny enough, it was

01:02:50.190 --> 01:02:52.289
just a freak thing that happened. The smallest

01:02:52.289 --> 01:02:55.789
guy in the company, Ray Mysterio, he's tiny.

01:02:56.329 --> 01:03:04.969
But he jumped off the top rope. I should know

01:03:04.969 --> 01:03:09.730
what the move is, but I don't. Like right there.

01:03:09.809 --> 01:03:13.420
That's it. Right there. See, I set my nose, or

01:03:13.420 --> 01:03:15.260
I'm about to, because it broke my nose, too.

01:03:15.500 --> 01:03:20.039
Oh, wow. But you're good, man. You're fucking

01:03:20.039 --> 01:03:24.559
good. Wow. And you still fought your way out

01:03:24.559 --> 01:03:28.559
of it. So that was me grabbing it. I was straightening

01:03:28.559 --> 01:03:38.460
my nose out. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, right on your

01:03:38.460 --> 01:03:41.460
nose. Oh, Jesus Christ. So I grabbed my nose

01:03:41.460 --> 01:03:43.019
right away, and I could feel that it was way

01:03:43.019 --> 01:03:46.159
over to the side. So I squeezed it back straight,

01:03:46.300 --> 01:03:52.880
but there was three of them. Oh, my God. So that

01:03:52.880 --> 01:03:57.099
one, it was just way back in the cone. It blew

01:03:57.099 --> 01:03:59.260
out the back end of it. It wasn't as severe as

01:03:59.260 --> 01:04:03.079
the first one, but after the second one, left

01:04:03.079 --> 01:04:07.420
me with double vision. Like, if I try to, like,

01:04:07.460 --> 01:04:12.260
if I look peripherally. Like, you become opaque.

01:04:12.699 --> 01:04:15.900
Like, I see two. Like that, I see two lights

01:04:15.900 --> 01:04:18.599
when I look like that. Still to this day? To

01:04:18.599 --> 01:04:22.320
this day. And that's been over 10 years. And

01:04:22.320 --> 01:04:25.639
what did they say is the cause of that? Just

01:04:25.639 --> 01:04:30.940
the way the nerve was pressed. You know, when

01:04:30.940 --> 01:04:33.239
the fracture happened, it pressed the nerve for

01:04:33.239 --> 01:04:36.679
too long. It never kind of... It rewired itself.

01:04:36.980 --> 01:04:38.579
There's nothing they can do about that? Not that

01:04:38.579 --> 01:04:40.980
I know of. I hadn't tried. As long as I look

01:04:40.980 --> 01:04:44.860
straight, I'm good. But what if you have to do

01:04:44.860 --> 01:04:47.119
a U -turn? Or what if you're parallel parking?

01:04:47.179 --> 01:04:50.039
Exactly. That's funny that you mention it. I've

01:04:50.039 --> 01:04:55.059
got to literally turn my body so that I can get

01:04:55.059 --> 01:04:59.760
my head straight. Wow. So I can see straight.

01:05:00.670 --> 01:05:03.170
because if you turn your eye too far yeah everything

01:05:03.170 --> 01:05:05.849
it just kind of instead of that image i got that

01:05:05.849 --> 01:05:08.809
image wow that had to certainly affect you in

01:05:08.809 --> 01:05:11.409
the ring a lot too after yeah yeah that and then

01:05:11.409 --> 01:05:16.150
you know then i have no uh super spinatus either

01:05:16.150 --> 01:05:21.190
none none it's completely severed when did that

01:05:21.190 --> 01:05:25.730
happen well it was a progression of a lot of

01:05:25.730 --> 01:05:30.079
tears and uh The last hair I was working, I think

01:05:30.079 --> 01:05:35.719
maybe around 2010, I was working with Kane, who's

01:05:35.719 --> 01:05:42.619
just a big, big dude. And I was trying to throw

01:05:42.619 --> 01:05:45.139
him up on my shoulder, and I was going to try

01:05:45.139 --> 01:05:48.360
to give him a pile driver. But, you know, he's

01:05:48.360 --> 01:05:52.480
330 pounds, and his weight kind of gets stuck

01:05:52.480 --> 01:05:56.619
here, and I'm too stupid to put him down. and

01:05:56.619 --> 01:05:59.199
readjust. So I'm trying to, you know, trying

01:05:59.199 --> 01:06:01.460
to pop my hips and get him up there. And finally,

01:06:01.500 --> 01:06:08.119
I heard it pop. I was like, holy shit. Got through

01:06:08.119 --> 01:06:12.320
the match, flew to Nashville the next day. And

01:06:12.320 --> 01:06:14.739
I said, Doc, I need a shot of cortisone. And

01:06:14.739 --> 01:06:18.440
he's like, he goes, Mark, he goes, your shoulder

01:06:18.440 --> 01:06:22.260
really needs to be fixed. I'm like, Doc, I'm

01:06:22.260 --> 01:06:23.880
right in the middle of something right now. I

01:06:23.880 --> 01:06:26.000
can't. I said, let me get through. you know,

01:06:26.000 --> 01:06:29.059
let me get through mania. I said, just give me

01:06:29.059 --> 01:06:31.599
the shot. And then after mania, I'll come and

01:06:31.599 --> 01:06:35.679
I'll get it fixed. And reluctantly he did. And

01:06:35.679 --> 01:06:37.960
normally the shot would last four or five months,

01:06:38.099 --> 01:06:41.719
six months. So he's in Nashville. So I go, I

01:06:41.719 --> 01:06:46.280
get the shot. I fly back to Austin. By the time

01:06:46.280 --> 01:06:48.679
I get home, it's like I didn't get the shot at

01:06:48.679 --> 01:06:52.900
all. So I call him back up and I was like, all

01:06:52.900 --> 01:06:55.059
right, Dr. Bird, you're. You're a little smarter

01:06:55.059 --> 01:06:58.300
than I am. He goes, he says, well, fact, Mark,

01:06:58.340 --> 01:07:01.159
it's so bad. Like, I want you to go see somebody

01:07:01.159 --> 01:07:03.039
else. I want you to see a shoulder specialist.

01:07:03.320 --> 01:07:07.340
So I go see Dr. Andrews. You know, Dr. Andrews

01:07:07.340 --> 01:07:09.380
is like the, you know, he's the guy that did

01:07:09.380 --> 01:07:14.139
Tommy John. He's the athlete's doctor. I go see,

01:07:14.179 --> 01:07:18.780
I go see him. And it's the first time this has

01:07:18.780 --> 01:07:21.300
ever happened to me. I go into the examining

01:07:21.300 --> 01:07:25.800
room and he's already there waiting. I don't

01:07:25.800 --> 01:07:27.199
know if anybody else has ever been to the doctor's

01:07:27.199 --> 01:07:29.179
office and the doctor's, he's sitting there and

01:07:29.179 --> 01:07:32.019
he's looking at me. And I'm looking at him like,

01:07:32.059 --> 01:07:33.719
because I'm a little taken back that he's already

01:07:33.719 --> 01:07:36.019
in the room, right? And we're looking at each

01:07:36.019 --> 01:07:39.519
other. Nobody says anything. And he goes, son,

01:07:39.739 --> 01:07:43.079
he goes, I don't know if there's anything I can

01:07:43.079 --> 01:07:44.739
do for you. He had obviously already seen my

01:07:44.739 --> 01:07:47.840
MRI and everything. He goes, he says, can you

01:07:47.840 --> 01:07:51.059
lift your arm? I was like, yes, sir. Yeah, I

01:07:51.059 --> 01:07:53.139
can lift it. He says, can I see you lift it?

01:07:53.300 --> 01:07:57.090
Yeah. He said, can you lift to the side? And

01:07:57.090 --> 01:07:59.170
I go, yeah, I can lift to the side. He goes,

01:07:59.190 --> 01:08:00.969
there's no reasonable explanation why you're

01:08:00.969 --> 01:08:09.309
able to do that. I'm like, he says, you've taught

01:08:09.309 --> 01:08:14.610
yourself how to use that arm with that severe

01:08:14.610 --> 01:08:17.949
injury. He goes, so we talked for a while. And

01:08:17.949 --> 01:08:21.550
he goes, he says, can we meet back in about an

01:08:21.550 --> 01:08:24.510
hour? He goes, I need to think about this. I'm

01:08:24.510 --> 01:08:27.090
like, well. yeah, I'm in Birmingham. Like, you

01:08:27.090 --> 01:08:28.649
know, what am I going to do? I got nothing else

01:08:28.649 --> 01:08:30.949
to do. You know, I got to find out what I, you

01:08:30.949 --> 01:08:32.970
know, what's going on with his shoulder. So we

01:08:32.970 --> 01:08:38.130
meet back in an hour and he goes, he goes, I'm

01:08:38.130 --> 01:08:41.569
going to try. He goes, I don't think I can fix

01:08:41.569 --> 01:08:43.949
it. He says, but I feel like I owe it to you

01:08:43.949 --> 01:08:49.250
just to try. Wow. And even with that, I'm thinking,

01:08:49.350 --> 01:08:52.630
well, that's James Andrews, right? Surely he's

01:08:52.630 --> 01:08:54.210
going to fix it. You know, he's just being humble.

01:08:55.100 --> 01:08:58.640
So I have the surgery. I wake up out of surgery,

01:08:58.760 --> 01:09:01.859
and my wife, she's right there. I could look

01:09:01.859 --> 01:09:04.880
on her face, and I could tell, like, you know,

01:09:04.880 --> 01:09:07.420
it wasn't good. And I was like, babe? And she

01:09:07.420 --> 01:09:10.979
goes, and about that time, Dr. Andrews comes

01:09:10.979 --> 01:09:17.739
in. He goes, well, we found it. I was like, you

01:09:17.739 --> 01:09:20.840
found it? He goes, yeah. He said, the end of

01:09:20.840 --> 01:09:24.800
the supraspinatus was about back here. He says,

01:09:24.819 --> 01:09:29.180
we clamped on and we pulled, we tugged. And he

01:09:29.180 --> 01:09:31.140
said, we might have been able to get it sewn

01:09:31.140 --> 01:09:33.220
back together. He said, but the first time you

01:09:33.220 --> 01:09:35.640
try to use it, it was going to pop. It was just

01:09:35.640 --> 01:09:38.819
so dead because it had been torn for so long.

01:09:39.460 --> 01:09:43.199
How long was it torn before you went to talk

01:09:43.199 --> 01:09:46.779
to him? Well, that last one was when it tore

01:09:46.779 --> 01:09:48.920
completely in half. So it had already been damaged?

01:09:48.920 --> 01:09:50.739
It had already been damaged, yeah. And I was

01:09:50.739 --> 01:09:54.310
getting shots of cortisone. Oh. To kind of mask

01:09:54.310 --> 01:09:57.270
the pain. And then it popped off. That was it.

01:09:57.390 --> 01:09:59.770
And there wasn't enough left to attach it back.

01:10:00.810 --> 01:10:04.930
He says, your biceps tendon had come out of its

01:10:04.930 --> 01:10:07.010
groove, too. He said, we did put that back. That

01:10:07.010 --> 01:10:10.810
should help you a little bit. I'm like, okay.

01:10:11.770 --> 01:10:15.829
And so, you know, I go back to work. But now,

01:10:16.029 --> 01:10:20.140
you know, now I'm getting older. And so, you

01:10:20.140 --> 01:10:21.800
know, my physical skills are already starting

01:10:21.800 --> 01:10:25.039
to kind of diminish and you know when that happens.

01:10:25.279 --> 01:10:28.199
But now, like when I'm in a match, now I've got

01:10:28.199 --> 01:10:31.479
to be cognizant all the time of where my shoulder

01:10:31.479 --> 01:10:36.439
is in relation to whatever it is I'm doing. Like

01:10:36.439 --> 01:10:38.300
I had, there was a lot of things like tombstones,

01:10:38.300 --> 01:10:41.920
like I had to change how, you know, how I would

01:10:41.920 --> 01:10:44.199
pick people up because I couldn't get my arm

01:10:44.199 --> 01:10:47.229
out extended because I had no strength. And I

01:10:47.229 --> 01:10:49.409
couldn't clothesline people. I mean, I had to

01:10:49.409 --> 01:10:56.170
have my arm almost supported by my lat to do

01:10:56.170 --> 01:10:58.590
a lot of different moves. And there's no other

01:10:58.590 --> 01:11:02.170
option? Like they can't do a cadaver? Well, in

01:11:02.170 --> 01:11:05.970
the shit that I do and we do, it would have tore.

01:11:06.229 --> 01:11:08.909
He told me that. He said, we could have tried

01:11:08.909 --> 01:11:11.289
a cadaver. He says, it's not going to last if

01:11:11.289 --> 01:11:13.550
you want to wrestle. And at that point, I had

01:11:13.550 --> 01:11:16.279
no... I like I've been doing it this long with

01:11:16.279 --> 01:11:18.619
it hurt. I'll figure out a way. You know, I wasn't

01:11:18.619 --> 01:11:21.399
ready to I wasn't ready to give it up yet. And

01:11:21.399 --> 01:11:24.619
so I waited a couple of years and then I call

01:11:24.619 --> 01:11:30.720
I call Dr. Dugas. And I said, Doc, because he

01:11:30.720 --> 01:11:33.359
assisted on on the first one with Dr. Andrews.

01:11:33.359 --> 01:11:35.140
I said, hey, you guys doing anything new with

01:11:35.140 --> 01:11:36.819
the shoulders? And he says, yeah. He said, like,

01:11:36.840 --> 01:11:38.880
come on down. He said, I think I can hook you

01:11:38.880 --> 01:11:42.260
up. I was like, oh, shit, okay, I wish somebody

01:11:42.260 --> 01:11:44.659
called me, you know, let me know. You know, let

01:11:44.659 --> 01:11:49.180
me know what's going on. And so same kind of

01:11:49.180 --> 01:11:53.939
deal. Have the surgery, wake up, see, you know,

01:11:53.939 --> 01:11:57.199
Michelle's sitting there, see her. Didn't have

01:11:57.199 --> 01:11:59.739
quite the same disappointed look on her face,

01:11:59.779 --> 01:12:01.880
you know, about this time, here comes Dr. Dugas.

01:12:02.479 --> 01:12:07.859
And he goes, well, he goes, plan A? No, that

01:12:07.859 --> 01:12:09.840
didn't work, which would have... to re -touch

01:12:09.840 --> 01:12:14.279
everything. He said, plan B? I didn't work either.

01:12:14.920 --> 01:12:17.619
He said, what's plan C? He says, which will help

01:12:17.619 --> 01:12:20.880
your recovery time. He says, well, what I did,

01:12:21.039 --> 01:12:26.699
they took the part of my infraspinatus, the one

01:12:26.699 --> 01:12:30.939
in the back, they detached part of it, stretched

01:12:30.939 --> 01:12:35.819
it over the top, so my infraspinatus is doing

01:12:35.819 --> 01:12:40.069
double duty now. Wow. So it works where if you

01:12:40.069 --> 01:12:42.989
were to look down before the surgery, like if

01:12:42.989 --> 01:12:44.869
you had a tube that could see down in my shoulder,

01:12:44.970 --> 01:12:48.189
I was 100 % exposed. You could see the joint.

01:12:49.550 --> 01:12:55.170
So now I'm about 50 % to 70 % covered by the

01:12:55.170 --> 01:12:57.210
infraspinatus that he stretched over the top

01:12:57.210 --> 01:13:01.210
and reattached it. Once again, modern medicine.

01:13:01.750 --> 01:13:05.670
And, you know, my right side isn't as strong

01:13:05.670 --> 01:13:08.729
as my left side. I'm right -hand dominant. But

01:13:08.729 --> 01:13:12.350
I'm twice as, three times as strong as I was

01:13:12.350 --> 01:13:15.489
before I had the surgery. Wow. Yeah. It's crazy.

01:13:15.670 --> 01:13:18.810
Yeah. I'm like a lab project. That's an interesting

01:13:18.810 --> 01:13:21.350
one. I know a fighter who's got no super spinatus.

01:13:21.810 --> 01:13:25.189
I think in both of his shoulders. Yeah. It's

01:13:25.189 --> 01:13:27.930
done wonders. Like, I mean, I can bench. I mean,

01:13:27.989 --> 01:13:30.470
you know, everything's got to be, I can't, you

01:13:30.470 --> 01:13:32.689
know, everything's got to be in tight. Like if

01:13:32.689 --> 01:13:35.250
I do pushups or anything like that, I need that

01:13:35.250 --> 01:13:40.180
lat and tricep help. instead of getting in those

01:13:40.180 --> 01:13:43.739
funky angles like that. I mean, is there anybody

01:13:43.739 --> 01:13:46.180
that gets through pro wrestling without a series

01:13:46.180 --> 01:13:50.720
of catastrophic injuries? You know, there's one

01:13:50.720 --> 01:13:53.060
guy that's really not had many injuries. His

01:13:53.060 --> 01:13:57.420
name's Chris Jericho. And I can't think of anything

01:13:57.420 --> 01:14:01.640
that's really bad that's happened to him. But,

01:14:01.720 --> 01:14:04.670
I mean, Stone Cold Steve Austin. Yeah, his neck

01:14:04.670 --> 01:14:06.649
is completely fused, right? Yeah, his neck is

01:14:06.649 --> 01:14:08.449
completely fused. From a pile driver. From a

01:14:08.449 --> 01:14:11.050
pile driver. But didn't he win the Olympics with

01:14:11.050 --> 01:14:13.449
a broken neck? That's Kurt Angle. Oh, Kurt Angle,

01:14:13.470 --> 01:14:16.289
that's right. Yeah, yeah. Kurt Angle won the

01:14:16.289 --> 01:14:19.970
heavyweight gold medal in wrestling. With a broken

01:14:19.970 --> 01:14:25.880
neck. And 190 pounds. He was so undersized. And

01:14:25.880 --> 01:14:28.560
to Stone Cold's credit, most of the big stuff

01:14:28.560 --> 01:14:31.140
that happened in his career happened after he

01:14:31.140 --> 01:14:35.199
broke his neck, right? No, he was already the

01:14:35.199 --> 01:14:42.420
guy. He was right in the middle of it. Kurt Angle,

01:14:42.420 --> 01:14:44.319
they were talking about him fighting in MMA at

01:14:44.319 --> 01:14:47.319
one point in time. You know, I saw him. It was

01:14:47.319 --> 01:14:49.340
strange. I hadn't seen him for a while. And then

01:14:49.340 --> 01:14:54.659
I saw him at Lesnar Mirror One. He was there.

01:14:55.310 --> 01:14:57.329
And he was acting really weird. And I was like,

01:14:57.430 --> 01:15:01.090
Kurt, are you thinking about, you know? And nothing

01:15:01.090 --> 01:15:05.670
ever came of it. But he's got some miles on him,

01:15:05.689 --> 01:15:09.329
too. Yeah. Well, it looks like he's got atrophy

01:15:09.329 --> 01:15:13.689
of his arms. Yeah. His neck. And his neck's 23

01:15:13.689 --> 01:15:17.670
inches. His neck looks enormous. But when I see

01:15:17.670 --> 01:15:20.890
a guy that I know has neck problems, you see

01:15:20.890 --> 01:15:24.229
his arms look smaller. One of the things that

01:15:24.229 --> 01:15:26.350
happens to guys, like it happened to Boss Rutten.

01:15:26.529 --> 01:15:31.609
He got his discs fused in his neck. His arm atrophied.

01:15:31.630 --> 01:15:34.710
He wasn't getting the nerve signals to his muscles.

01:15:34.789 --> 01:15:38.449
So his right arm, he calls it baby arm. It's

01:15:38.449 --> 01:15:41.470
smaller. It's very weak. I don't know how much

01:15:41.470 --> 01:15:43.750
it's recovered. But at one point in time, he

01:15:43.750 --> 01:15:46.729
couldn't even hold out a jug of milk. Yeah. It's

01:15:46.729 --> 01:15:48.970
crazy. I mean, the neck is, there's so many of

01:15:48.970 --> 01:15:52.159
those nerves. You get pinched or squeezed. Yeah.

01:15:52.239 --> 01:15:54.079
I mean, what does Kurt Angle do to make his neck

01:15:54.079 --> 01:15:58.100
that big? I'm guessing a lot of bridges and,

01:15:58.100 --> 01:16:01.180
you know. Jesus. I mean, his neck's always just.

01:16:01.460 --> 01:16:04.279
Yeah, look at that neck. He could go, man. Yeah.

01:16:04.380 --> 01:16:06.800
I really enjoyed. That neck is preposterous.

01:16:07.060 --> 01:16:09.359
I really enjoyed working with Kurt, man. That's

01:16:09.359 --> 01:16:13.500
an extra waist. It's a waist. It's like his waist,

01:16:13.600 --> 01:16:15.380
right? Look at the size of that. The muscles

01:16:15.380 --> 01:16:17.140
in that thing. But, I mean, obviously a lot of

01:16:17.140 --> 01:16:19.539
that is probably to compensate the fact that

01:16:19.539 --> 01:16:23.220
he's got a snapped neck. He could go, man. What

01:16:23.220 --> 01:16:25.859
an athlete. Wow. Oh, yeah. And Brock, too. Both

01:16:25.859 --> 01:16:28.960
of them. Phenomenal. Angle in his prime as a

01:16:28.960 --> 01:16:32.319
wrestler. He was a fucking savage. Yeah, he was

01:16:32.319 --> 01:16:34.199
a beast. Yeah, I mean, as an amateur wrestler

01:16:34.199 --> 01:16:36.439
in the Olympics. I mean, he was a phenomenal

01:16:36.439 --> 01:16:40.539
talent. Yeah. Yeah, he was. And then he transitioned

01:16:40.539 --> 01:16:45.380
so well. That's the deal. He transitioned so

01:16:45.380 --> 01:16:47.340
well into pro wrestling. And how did Steve Austin

01:16:47.340 --> 01:16:53.100
fuck up his neck? Piledriver. Not a piledriver

01:16:53.100 --> 01:16:56.539
like I give. There's another kind where you grab

01:16:56.539 --> 01:17:03.720
somebody and you put their head in their crotch.

01:17:03.840 --> 01:17:05.760
There it is right there. Oh, my God. Look at

01:17:05.760 --> 01:17:07.520
his head. Let's see where his head's going to

01:17:07.520 --> 01:17:11.680
land. Oh, my God. With all the weight of both

01:17:11.680 --> 01:17:16.800
people. Jesus Christ. Yeah. Just seeing that

01:17:16.800 --> 01:17:22.359
makes me shiver. Just seeing that image. You

01:17:22.359 --> 01:17:28.520
know, for the sake of entertainment, man. Crazy

01:17:28.520 --> 01:17:30.399
way to make a living. It is a crazy way to make

01:17:30.399 --> 01:17:32.640
a living. Now, take into account what you were

01:17:32.640 --> 01:17:33.960
talking about before when you were doing that

01:17:33.960 --> 01:17:39.199
270 nights a year. Yeah. That is. Year -round.

01:17:39.300 --> 01:17:41.840
I mean, there's no off -season. I mean, it just

01:17:41.840 --> 01:17:45.659
goes. It's episodic TV now, especially. We do

01:17:45.659 --> 01:17:49.760
live TV every Monday, every Friday. The schedule,

01:17:49.800 --> 01:17:51.739
I don't think, is quite as bad now. There were

01:17:51.739 --> 01:17:55.819
days where I would be out 45 days in a row. And

01:17:55.819 --> 01:17:58.619
you didn't think anything about it. Actually,

01:17:59.760 --> 01:18:02.460
when you get into that, you don't want to come

01:18:02.460 --> 01:18:05.819
off the road. Really? Yeah, it just fucks everything

01:18:05.819 --> 01:18:10.470
up. It's just like... More than four or five

01:18:10.470 --> 01:18:13.189
days, especially when you're back in the early

01:18:13.189 --> 01:18:16.270
90s, you get hurt, and you're home six, seven,

01:18:16.289 --> 01:18:20.369
eight weeks, you're a raving lunatic because

01:18:20.369 --> 01:18:23.970
your body's just conditioned to go and just be

01:18:23.970 --> 01:18:30.449
out there and doing it. It's tough on relationships.

01:18:33.210 --> 01:18:35.789
And you're always worried about that next guy

01:18:35.789 --> 01:18:38.689
coming up too, right? Like, fuck, I'm healing

01:18:38.689 --> 01:18:41.989
up here, and this guy's coming up. Don't want

01:18:41.989 --> 01:18:43.229
anybody taking your spot. You don't want anybody

01:18:43.229 --> 01:18:46.609
taking your spot. Although it's not competition

01:18:46.609 --> 01:18:49.729
in the sense of MMA competition, it's competition.

01:18:50.270 --> 01:18:53.010
You're competing to be the top guy, or you're

01:18:53.010 --> 01:18:56.210
competing for your place on the card. So it is,

01:18:56.270 --> 01:18:59.670
in that sense, a competition, an important one.

01:18:59.810 --> 01:19:02.260
Tony, it's got to be wild seeing him. when you

01:19:02.260 --> 01:19:05.239
were six years old for the first time. And then

01:19:05.239 --> 01:19:06.920
hearing these stories now about how all that

01:19:06.920 --> 01:19:12.779
came to be. Yeah. It's wild. Did you have a lot

01:19:12.779 --> 01:19:15.460
to do with the creative side of things? Because

01:19:15.460 --> 01:19:18.520
there was an urn that his manager would hold

01:19:18.520 --> 01:19:21.460
that would charge him, right? It would summon

01:19:21.460 --> 01:19:25.300
superpowers. Somebody who's not a fan, he's listening

01:19:25.300 --> 01:19:28.279
to this shit like, fuck, what have you been smoking?

01:19:29.220 --> 01:19:31.699
He would put his opponents, after he beats them,

01:19:31.760 --> 01:19:34.220
he would put them in body bags. At one point,

01:19:34.239 --> 01:19:38.039
he was... building a casket for an opponent for

01:19:38.039 --> 01:19:40.199
a casket match. I think I told you at the Chappelle

01:19:40.199 --> 01:19:42.319
show when I met you, I got in trouble when I

01:19:42.319 --> 01:19:44.319
was a kid because, you know, I was like learning

01:19:44.319 --> 01:19:47.779
about death from this man. Like I didn't know

01:19:47.779 --> 01:19:49.899
you went into a casket after you were dead. You're

01:19:49.899 --> 01:19:51.699
seven years old. You don't know that yet. Like

01:19:51.699 --> 01:19:53.239
you don't know what a box is. You're like, oh

01:19:53.239 --> 01:19:55.600
my God, you put your body in a box. I got in

01:19:55.600 --> 01:19:58.500
trouble because I nailed my mom's piano bench

01:19:58.500 --> 01:20:01.060
shut because of the promos that you had for the

01:20:01.060 --> 01:20:04.380
Kamala. casket match he was nailing a coffin

01:20:04.380 --> 01:20:06.939
shut and it was so scary to see as a kid so i

01:20:06.939 --> 01:20:10.539
nailed my mom's piano bench like a you know how

01:20:10.539 --> 01:20:12.859
they open up i pretended like it was a coffin

01:20:12.859 --> 01:20:15.560
and i destroyed it i got in so much trouble i

01:20:15.560 --> 01:20:18.520
once took a uh one of those suit bags that zip

01:20:18.520 --> 01:20:21.289
up And me and my buddies, we would have these

01:20:21.289 --> 01:20:23.409
fake wrestling matches as kids, and then we would

01:20:23.409 --> 01:20:28.050
zip up the suit thing and pretend like we're

01:20:28.050 --> 01:20:32.170
dead afterwards. All these things were a part

01:20:32.170 --> 01:20:34.970
of my childhood. Was that some of you, some of

01:20:34.970 --> 01:20:38.729
Vince? Yeah, so Vince had the original likeness,

01:20:38.750 --> 01:20:43.210
and then after a couple years, it had kind of

01:20:43.210 --> 01:20:46.689
taken over. I lived that. Everywhere I went,

01:20:46.789 --> 01:20:49.880
I was always dressed in black. What people saw

01:20:49.880 --> 01:20:52.579
on TV, they pretty much saw in real life. So

01:20:52.579 --> 01:20:54.439
if you went out to dinner. I wouldn't dress quite

01:20:54.439 --> 01:20:59.760
like that, but I would be an all black. I didn't

01:20:59.760 --> 01:21:03.039
say much to people. Because you had to stay in

01:21:03.039 --> 01:21:04.619
character? I always stayed in character. I always

01:21:04.619 --> 01:21:09.939
felt like that I needed to be what they saw on

01:21:09.939 --> 01:21:13.020
TV. Because if they saw me differently, like

01:21:13.020 --> 01:21:16.500
if they saw this, and then they see that on TV,

01:21:16.560 --> 01:21:18.890
it's like, oh, fuck. It's just acting. It's just

01:21:18.890 --> 01:21:21.329
this. It's that. So I tried to make that guy

01:21:21.329 --> 01:21:25.770
real. And I did for a long time. Like, I didn't

01:21:25.770 --> 01:21:28.670
do for years. I didn't do interviews. I didn't

01:21:28.670 --> 01:21:31.510
do personal appearances. You got very little

01:21:31.510 --> 01:21:34.250
of me other than what you saw on TV. And that's

01:21:34.250 --> 01:21:37.609
what kept people captivated. Like, I mean, everybody's

01:21:37.609 --> 01:21:43.510
like, fuck, I know he's not dead. he's fucked

01:21:43.510 --> 01:21:45.350
up. He's something's wrong. There's something.

01:21:45.350 --> 01:21:49.569
Right. And it captivated, you know, to stay and

01:21:49.569 --> 01:21:52.090
I pat myself on the back, but to stay relevant

01:21:52.090 --> 01:21:55.090
for 30 years in this industry where there's so

01:21:55.090 --> 01:21:58.569
much exposure. I mean, you have to, I felt like

01:21:58.569 --> 01:22:01.829
that's the extreme that I had to go to, um, you

01:22:01.829 --> 01:22:06.609
know, to, to make that guy continue to mean something.

01:22:06.729 --> 01:22:09.229
Does it feel almost weird for you to be doing

01:22:09.229 --> 01:22:13.140
like a podcast? Crazy. Absolutely crazy. So it

01:22:13.140 --> 01:22:17.560
started, you know, I did a docuseries kind of

01:22:17.560 --> 01:22:20.260
chronicling the last few years of my career.

01:22:20.720 --> 01:22:22.960
It was actually me trying to come to grips with

01:22:22.960 --> 01:22:25.659
calling it a day, really. Do you mind scooting

01:22:25.659 --> 01:22:27.359
this way just into the microphone? Yeah, there

01:22:27.359 --> 01:22:30.779
you go. So we ended up calling it, it had nothing

01:22:30.779 --> 01:22:32.560
to do with the Jordan deal, but it was called

01:22:32.560 --> 01:22:35.239
The Last Ride, which is one of my finishing moves.

01:22:35.979 --> 01:22:38.939
So it kind of chronicled. like the last few years

01:22:38.939 --> 01:22:41.520
of my career and the, and me kind of chasing

01:22:41.520 --> 01:22:44.260
the dragon for that, that one match that I could

01:22:44.260 --> 01:22:47.840
hang my hat on and say, that's it. That's it.

01:22:47.939 --> 01:22:50.579
You know, and it, and as you get older and the

01:22:50.579 --> 01:22:54.939
injuries and all that, I don't, I don't, I mean,

01:22:54.979 --> 01:22:58.020
I, I, I figure that in, but I still see in my

01:22:58.020 --> 01:23:01.079
head what I used to could do. And that's what

01:23:01.079 --> 01:23:03.319
I was striving. I mean, you've said you've seen

01:23:03.319 --> 01:23:06.260
it in the fight game all the time. Guys are looking

01:23:06.260 --> 01:23:08.859
for that, you know, They can't come to grips

01:23:08.859 --> 01:23:10.600
with the fact that their skills have diminished,

01:23:10.680 --> 01:23:15.119
and there's a changing of the guard. And it's

01:23:15.119 --> 01:23:17.279
kind of the same with what I was doing. I was

01:23:17.279 --> 01:23:19.039
looking for that one match that I could say,

01:23:19.199 --> 01:23:22.180
motherfuckers, I still got it, and now I'm out.

01:23:22.500 --> 01:23:25.399
Was there a conversation about this with Vince

01:23:25.399 --> 01:23:28.479
where you were trying to figure out when to close

01:23:28.479 --> 01:23:31.119
the door? Yeah, there was lots. There were lots

01:23:31.119 --> 01:23:33.079
of those conversations. And there were people

01:23:33.079 --> 01:23:35.560
that I talked to along the way through my career.

01:23:35.640 --> 01:23:41.560
I was like, look. If I get to a point where my

01:23:41.560 --> 01:23:43.760
skills have diminished and I can't recognize

01:23:43.760 --> 01:23:47.460
it, I want you to tell me or at least bring the

01:23:47.460 --> 01:23:50.840
conversation up. And it got to the point where

01:23:50.840 --> 01:23:53.520
nobody wants to have that conversation. Nobody

01:23:53.520 --> 01:23:56.359
wants to have that, like, hey, dude, your day?

01:23:57.119 --> 01:24:00.220
Yeah, it's up. It's a real problem. I put a big

01:24:00.220 --> 01:24:04.079
burden on people, and they just couldn't do it.

01:24:04.119 --> 01:24:07.180
And now Vince, who I have an unbelievable relationship

01:24:07.180 --> 01:24:13.409
with, But also, that's a huge intellectual property

01:24:13.409 --> 01:24:17.210
for Vince. 30 years. So he didn't, you know,

01:24:17.229 --> 01:24:21.390
I could go out for another few years and I could

01:24:21.390 --> 01:24:23.489
knock somebody on their ass or I could chokeslam

01:24:23.489 --> 01:24:26.250
somebody, but I can't do it personally. Right.

01:24:26.630 --> 01:24:28.949
I can't because I know there's so many guys that

01:24:28.949 --> 01:24:31.569
are coming up that are trying to get that spot.

01:24:32.610 --> 01:24:35.590
I can't go out there and say, okay, I got all

01:24:35.590 --> 01:24:38.210
this equity built up from all these years. I'm

01:24:38.210 --> 01:24:42.130
just going to live off of that. I remember when

01:24:42.130 --> 01:24:47.010
I was a kid in Boston, it was a local wrestling

01:24:47.010 --> 01:24:51.609
promotion, but Killer Kowalski was on. I don't

01:24:51.609 --> 01:24:54.729
know how old he was at the time, but he had to

01:24:54.729 --> 01:24:58.789
be way, way up in the years. He looked like he

01:24:58.789 --> 01:25:02.079
was in his 50s. And, you know, I remember thinking,

01:25:02.159 --> 01:25:05.460
like, even as a kid, like, how long can a guy

01:25:05.460 --> 01:25:10.380
do this? Yeah. And it varies. Who's the longest?

01:25:10.479 --> 01:25:13.279
Are you the longest reigning guy? No, I think

01:25:13.279 --> 01:25:16.310
there's guys. I think there's guys that have,

01:25:16.350 --> 01:25:19.489
like, flair lasted. At his level, yeah. He's

01:25:19.489 --> 01:25:22.149
the longest by, like, a lot. He's probably going

01:25:22.149 --> 01:25:24.390
to be humble about this right now. But even then,

01:25:24.489 --> 01:25:27.130
the Kowalskis and all that, the styles were different,

01:25:27.189 --> 01:25:29.710
right? It was more like arm drags and, like,

01:25:29.750 --> 01:25:32.109
little tosses. He had the claw. Right. Yeah.

01:25:32.510 --> 01:25:35.670
And he's, I mean, he's throwing people off of

01:25:35.670 --> 01:25:40.239
16 -foot cells. getting thrown off of titantrons

01:25:40.239 --> 01:25:42.619
like ramps and all this crazy physical stuff

01:25:42.619 --> 01:25:45.479
it's a whole different game and he went 10 15

01:25:45.479 --> 01:25:48.399
years probably longer than most of his peers

01:25:48.399 --> 01:25:50.840
well the fact that i stayed 30 years with one

01:25:50.840 --> 01:25:54.000
company i think that's the one really big thing

01:25:54.000 --> 01:25:57.100
is once i started with with vince i stayed with

01:25:57.100 --> 01:25:59.520
vince where a lot of guys you know they would

01:25:59.520 --> 01:26:02.220
they would jump from one promotion to the other

01:26:02.220 --> 01:26:05.300
and i stayed once i got there i was there and

01:26:05.300 --> 01:26:09.380
you know wow It's been a hell of a ride. 30 years

01:26:09.380 --> 01:26:12.359
is a crazy ride. So what was your last match?

01:26:12.819 --> 01:26:16.359
My last match was in April. The Boneyard was

01:26:16.359 --> 01:26:18.500
April. April 2020. Yeah, right here. There it

01:26:18.500 --> 01:26:23.340
is. It's a nice bike. Yeah, that's a West Coast

01:26:23.340 --> 01:26:28.600
chopper right there. The bike actually belonged

01:26:28.600 --> 01:26:34.420
to Garth Brooks' security guy. But this was...

01:26:35.149 --> 01:26:37.710
We got lucky because COVID had already shut everything

01:26:37.710 --> 01:26:40.930
down. So everybody else, this is WrestleMania.

01:26:41.430 --> 01:26:43.710
So everybody else is doing their matches in an

01:26:43.710 --> 01:26:47.270
empty warehouse. And we got to go off and do

01:26:47.270 --> 01:26:51.630
this kind of themed match. They turned this whole

01:26:51.630 --> 01:26:56.489
area into like a cemetery and got to do a lot

01:26:56.489 --> 01:26:59.130
of theatrical stuff. So that must have felt like

01:26:59.130 --> 01:27:03.390
I can hang my hat on this one. Yeah. We started

01:27:03.390 --> 01:27:05.470
filming that at about 8 o 'clock at night, and

01:27:05.470 --> 01:27:09.449
we wrapped at about 5 in the morning. And at

01:27:09.449 --> 01:27:11.949
the end of it, I was like, fuck, I can hardly

01:27:11.949 --> 01:27:15.470
stand up. Everything was just locked up. Because

01:27:15.470 --> 01:27:18.890
I went into it. I started training for Mania,

01:27:18.890 --> 01:27:20.689
and obviously I thought I was going to be in

01:27:20.689 --> 01:27:26.250
a stadium, in a ring. So I had really got a good

01:27:26.250 --> 01:27:29.109
head start on my training, and my weight was

01:27:29.109 --> 01:27:31.390
coming down. Everything was good, and then fucking

01:27:31.390 --> 01:27:35.069
COVID hit. And then it was just like the gyms

01:27:35.069 --> 01:27:38.789
shut down. And then, you know, then I had to

01:27:38.789 --> 01:27:42.029
get to Florida just to make sure, you know, that

01:27:42.029 --> 01:27:44.350
I was in Florida. Right. Yeah, because you never

01:27:44.350 --> 01:27:46.029
knew, like, when they were going to shut all

01:27:46.029 --> 01:27:48.810
the airlines down. So the training, you know,

01:27:48.810 --> 01:27:53.270
my training kind of went to shit. But I was really

01:27:53.270 --> 01:27:55.789
happy with how this turned out. And I knew at

01:27:55.789 --> 01:27:58.010
the end of it physically, your day's done, man.

01:27:58.569 --> 01:28:00.750
And, you know, as much as I want to do it here.

01:28:01.439 --> 01:28:03.500
And I want to do it here. It's just the body

01:28:03.500 --> 01:28:06.100
just can't deliver. So what do you do now? I

01:28:06.100 --> 01:28:10.819
mean, that's a long career. Yeah, it is. And

01:28:10.819 --> 01:28:13.840
I'm trying to figure that part out because I've

01:28:13.840 --> 01:28:16.960
dedicated my whole life to this business. And,

01:28:17.039 --> 01:28:18.819
you know, there will be times, you know, I help

01:28:18.819 --> 01:28:22.479
out and maybe mentor some guys. But, you know,

01:28:22.539 --> 01:28:25.579
I got to find out what I'm passionate about.

01:28:26.840 --> 01:28:32.560
and still earn a living. Right now my goal is

01:28:32.560 --> 01:28:35.180
to be the best outdoorsman I can be at this point.

01:28:35.300 --> 01:28:37.640
Is that what you're into now? I've always loved

01:28:37.640 --> 01:28:40.479
hunting and fishing. I just never had time. Have

01:28:40.479 --> 01:28:41.960
you thought about doing a television show where

01:28:41.960 --> 01:28:45.699
you do that? I've thought about it. Undertaker

01:28:45.699 --> 01:28:49.720
Outdoors? Undertaker Outdoors, right. I think

01:28:49.720 --> 01:28:54.850
it would be a hoot, actually. But it's just kind

01:28:54.850 --> 01:28:59.590
of, you know, I've thought about it, and I don't

01:28:59.590 --> 01:29:04.430
want it to be a job job. I understand. I just

01:29:04.430 --> 01:29:07.409
enjoy it too much, and I'd hate to lose the fact,

01:29:07.449 --> 01:29:09.229
like, I don't want to go hunting. I don't want

01:29:09.229 --> 01:29:13.189
to go, you know. Right. But, I mean, I'm open

01:29:13.189 --> 01:29:17.250
to whatever. What kind of hunting do you do?

01:29:17.329 --> 01:29:20.329
What is your thing? Well, I've always been a

01:29:20.329 --> 01:29:22.090
rifle because I've had limited time. So, you

01:29:22.090 --> 01:29:24.590
know, sit in a stand and, you know, wait for

01:29:24.590 --> 01:29:27.050
a whitetail to come stick its head out. This

01:29:27.050 --> 01:29:30.289
year I bought – I just bought my first brand

01:29:30.289 --> 01:29:35.149
-new bow this year. I didn't get to shoot a deer.

01:29:35.250 --> 01:29:37.590
Austin has a very good archery. Yeah. Archery

01:29:37.590 --> 01:29:39.529
country is fantastic. Yeah. It's really good.

01:29:39.729 --> 01:29:44.050
Yeah. I had an issue with my bow just a few weeks

01:29:44.050 --> 01:29:47.449
before I went to Utah for an elk hunt. It was

01:29:47.449 --> 01:29:50.170
shooting low, and it turned out that the strings

01:29:50.170 --> 01:29:52.850
had been stretched, and it had lost some of its

01:29:52.850 --> 01:29:54.850
poundage, so everything had to be readjusted.

01:29:54.850 --> 01:29:56.829
So I had to get it tightened up again and get

01:29:56.829 --> 01:29:59.510
the poundage put back on it. They did an amazing

01:29:59.510 --> 01:30:02.930
job. Yeah, archery is... And I just found that

01:30:02.930 --> 01:30:05.890
out, that Austin's a real, there's a lot of archery

01:30:05.890 --> 01:30:08.210
hunters here. Yeah, well, Texas in general has

01:30:08.210 --> 01:30:10.710
a lot of hunters and a lot of archery hunters.

01:30:11.270 --> 01:30:14.489
But that is a real good archery shop. And it's

01:30:14.489 --> 01:30:16.850
hard to find. In California, I used to have to

01:30:16.850 --> 01:30:18.609
go to San Diego. All the way down San Diego.

01:30:18.710 --> 01:30:20.270
Yeah, I had to go to Performance Archery down

01:30:20.270 --> 01:30:22.470
in San Diego to find a real good archery shop

01:30:22.470 --> 01:30:24.789
anywhere near me. The biggest issue with me was

01:30:24.789 --> 01:30:28.979
finding a bow that would get my draw. Oh, I could

01:30:28.979 --> 01:30:32.039
help you with that. John Dudley's pretty close

01:30:32.039 --> 01:30:35.119
to your size. He's 6 '5", I believe. 6 '5", 6

01:30:35.119 --> 01:30:36.680
'6", something like that. What's his draw? Mine

01:30:36.680 --> 01:30:40.279
is 32, I think. Yeah, mine's 33, almost 33 and

01:30:40.279 --> 01:30:41.979
a half. Oh, they make them for guys like you.

01:30:42.079 --> 01:30:45.260
Yeah. I mean, you just have to get the right

01:30:45.260 --> 01:30:48.779
cams and have someone who – like a guy like John

01:30:48.779 --> 01:30:51.560
could set it up, a guy who knows how to set up

01:30:51.560 --> 01:30:53.520
a bow. I'm sure he'd be happy to do that for

01:30:53.520 --> 01:30:57.020
you too. Yeah. That's what I'm passionate about

01:30:57.020 --> 01:30:58.920
because that's the one thing like it's always

01:30:58.920 --> 01:31:01.399
been that carrot dangling. Like, okay, once that

01:31:01.399 --> 01:31:05.260
career is over, you know, you're free. You're

01:31:05.260 --> 01:31:06.899
going to do this and you're going to do that.

01:31:07.199 --> 01:31:08.840
But, I mean, that's not the way life works. I

01:31:08.840 --> 01:31:11.060
mean, you still need to, you know. I still need

01:31:11.060 --> 01:31:13.680
to be productive and do different things. You

01:31:13.680 --> 01:31:16.439
know, I work with a lot of, uh, yeah, I love

01:31:16.439 --> 01:31:19.359
working with the veterans. Um, you know, uh,

01:31:19.460 --> 01:31:22.239
I've worked with these guys, uh, nine line. I

01:31:22.239 --> 01:31:25.159
do stuff with them. Um, it's kind of, I'm just

01:31:25.159 --> 01:31:27.180
really passionate about people that have served

01:31:27.180 --> 01:31:30.220
our country. Um, that's awesome. Yeah. Yeah.

01:31:30.359 --> 01:31:32.699
I think, like I said earlier, like if I hadn't

01:31:32.699 --> 01:31:34.420
have made it here, that's probably what I would

01:31:34.420 --> 01:31:37.039
have done. And like, I think about it sometimes,

01:31:37.159 --> 01:31:39.479
like, I think it may be my only regret. Like,

01:31:39.930 --> 01:31:44.270
I wish I had served, you know, because I guess

01:31:44.270 --> 01:31:46.170
because I'm surrounded by so many of those guys

01:31:46.170 --> 01:31:49.210
now and getting to meet guys like, you know,

01:31:49.229 --> 01:31:56.250
Oz and Tig from Benghazi and Latrell, all those

01:31:56.250 --> 01:32:02.010
guys, you know, it's just, man, I'm just, I can

01:32:02.010 --> 01:32:04.609
sit and listen to stories, you know, all day

01:32:04.609 --> 01:32:06.329
long from those guys. Yeah, Latrell and I have

01:32:06.329 --> 01:32:09.060
been talking about him coming on here. He's a

01:32:09.060 --> 01:32:11.000
good dude, man. He's a real good dude. He's one

01:32:11.000 --> 01:32:13.979
of those guys, like, he's so laid back, but you

01:32:13.979 --> 01:32:16.600
can tell, you can look at him, and you can tell,

01:32:16.600 --> 01:32:18.260
like, he's been through some shit, right? Yeah,

01:32:18.279 --> 01:32:20.600
he's been through some shit. Yeah. I mean, when

01:32:20.600 --> 01:32:22.899
they make a Marky Mark movie about your life,

01:32:22.939 --> 01:32:25.420
you know you've been through some shit. You know?

01:32:26.840 --> 01:32:31.260
Yeah, he's as nice as could be. Yeah, real good

01:32:31.260 --> 01:32:34.000
dude. I'm not, you know, I don't get real excited

01:32:34.000 --> 01:32:37.210
about. Meeting celebrities or people like that,

01:32:37.289 --> 01:32:39.569
I just leave people alone for the most part.

01:32:40.750 --> 01:32:46.010
He spoke at the church we go to, and I called

01:32:46.010 --> 01:32:48.649
the pastor up while he was talking. I was like,

01:32:48.810 --> 01:32:53.350
look, I need to be introduced to him before I

01:32:53.350 --> 01:32:55.670
leave here tonight. He's like, absolutely, come

01:32:55.670 --> 01:33:00.069
on back. But those are the kind of people. I

01:33:00.069 --> 01:33:02.430
appreciate that. Yeah, I just, you know, I don't

01:33:02.430 --> 01:33:04.390
think we can do enough for people that put their

01:33:04.390 --> 01:33:07.890
lives. I couldn't agree more. You know, and just

01:33:07.890 --> 01:33:10.510
people like that that have been through so much.

01:33:10.510 --> 01:33:12.810
They're just different kind of people. They're

01:33:12.810 --> 01:33:16.130
exceptional in a way that it's hard to describe.

01:33:16.409 --> 01:33:19.359
Yeah. It really is cool. You've had Goggins on,

01:33:19.420 --> 01:33:21.760
right? Oh, yeah. He's a fucking maniac, right?

01:33:22.100 --> 01:33:24.399
Yeah. He'll send me text messages out of the

01:33:24.399 --> 01:33:27.680
blue. Just stay hard. I'm like, okay. I was going

01:33:27.680 --> 01:33:29.220
to go soft, but I'm going to stay hard. I'm trading

01:33:29.220 --> 01:33:32.600
my ass off right now, but I enjoyed his book.

01:33:32.699 --> 01:33:36.760
It was so good. Yeah. he's a fascinating person.

01:33:36.859 --> 01:33:38.979
Yeah. He's wired a little different too. Oh,

01:33:39.039 --> 01:33:41.659
for sure. But he's got a great, I love his story

01:33:41.659 --> 01:33:44.720
because Goggins was fat and he was lazy and he

01:33:44.720 --> 01:33:48.359
was, you know, eating fucking drinking milkshakes

01:33:48.359 --> 01:33:51.300
and shit. And he was way overweight and couldn't

01:33:51.300 --> 01:33:54.600
run at all and just decided that, you know, he

01:33:54.600 --> 01:33:57.100
wanted to be in the seals and decided he wanted

01:33:57.100 --> 01:33:59.579
to lose weight and decided now's the time to

01:33:59.579 --> 01:34:02.619
do it. And just. forced himself to be this fucking

01:34:02.619 --> 01:34:05.600
barbarian man if you can't get inspired if you

01:34:05.600 --> 01:34:07.859
don't read his book and can't get inspired by

01:34:07.859 --> 01:34:10.180
that yeah if you get a fuck why tell everybody

01:34:10.180 --> 01:34:13.220
go to his instagram page yeah go to when i find

01:34:13.220 --> 01:34:15.359
a good one i repost it on my page all the time

01:34:15.359 --> 01:34:18.119
yeah it's good shit you know he'll he he'll have

01:34:18.119 --> 01:34:20.600
some that literally will make me go up and work

01:34:20.600 --> 01:34:22.380
out like maybe i'm not even thinking about working

01:34:22.380 --> 01:34:24.279
out and i watch this or you already worked out

01:34:24.279 --> 01:34:27.100
what i'm going I'll go right now. Time to go

01:34:27.100 --> 01:34:29.539
to war. He's yelling at us. I always wonder who

01:34:29.539 --> 01:34:31.340
the guy is that gets no credit that's running

01:34:31.340 --> 01:34:33.640
alongside of him. He's driving. First of all,

01:34:33.640 --> 01:34:36.420
that's his wife, and she's driving. Oh. Yeah,

01:34:36.460 --> 01:34:39.539
and she's got the phone out the window, and she's

01:34:39.539 --> 01:34:43.039
driving. Wow. A lot of motherfuckers will tell

01:34:43.039 --> 01:34:46.720
you. But no excuses, right? There he is. Give

01:34:46.720 --> 01:34:49.800
me some volume of this. This guy makes me feel

01:34:49.800 --> 01:34:54.789
like a bitch every day. A lot of people lost

01:34:54.789 --> 01:35:00.449
jobs, lost businesses, lost family members. A

01:35:00.449 --> 01:35:02.210
lot of folks spent a lot of time in the hospital

01:35:02.210 --> 01:35:05.850
on ventilators. That should have caused a lot

01:35:05.850 --> 01:35:09.890
of demons in your brain. Folks see how much I

01:35:09.890 --> 01:35:13.170
work out, and they think I'm running from demons.

01:35:14.930 --> 01:35:19.810
It's not demons. It's discipline. And I'm a disciple

01:35:19.810 --> 01:35:24.359
of discipline. You cannot run your demons. They'll

01:35:24.359 --> 01:35:28.279
always find you. Only way to beat them motherfuckers

01:35:28.279 --> 01:35:31.960
is look at them eye to eye and make them your

01:35:31.960 --> 01:35:36.760
bitch. Mindset's the only thing that gets you

01:35:36.760 --> 01:35:39.479
through hard times. Merry fucking Christmas.

01:35:41.699 --> 01:35:46.039
That's awesome. That's awesome, man. No excuses.

01:35:46.039 --> 01:35:49.300
He's a national treasure. That man is a national

01:35:49.300 --> 01:35:55.270
treasure. Make him your bitch. Okay, yeah, that's

01:35:55.270 --> 01:35:57.909
shit. That's just good shit. Yeah, but, well,

01:35:57.989 --> 01:35:59.890
you know what? There's a lot of people out there

01:35:59.890 --> 01:36:05.489
that their mind concentrates on stupid shit.

01:36:05.590 --> 01:36:09.970
They complain too much. They whine too much.

01:36:10.270 --> 01:36:14.069
They're haters. They're jealous. They're weak.

01:36:14.710 --> 01:36:18.149
You need a guy like that out there that is just

01:36:18.149 --> 01:36:23.600
all about performance and... And you realize,

01:36:23.659 --> 01:36:25.000
like, wow, there's a lot of different ways to

01:36:25.000 --> 01:36:26.899
live this life. You know, there's a lot of people

01:36:26.899 --> 01:36:30.020
that waste time. They waste time on nonsense.

01:36:30.600 --> 01:36:33.979
Their life is filled with nonsense. Absolutely.

01:36:34.220 --> 01:36:36.619
And then you need a guy like David Goggins to

01:36:36.619 --> 01:36:38.920
go, oh, my God, I'm a bitch. Yeah. I didn't even

01:36:38.920 --> 01:36:40.520
know. I didn't even know. I had no clue I was

01:36:40.520 --> 01:36:45.340
a bitch, but I'm definitely a bitch. Okay. Appreciate

01:36:45.340 --> 01:36:48.399
that, Dave. All right. And his body gets beat

01:36:48.399 --> 01:36:51.000
the fuck up too, man. He had a video he posted

01:36:51.000 --> 01:36:52.840
just a little while back. See if you can find

01:36:52.840 --> 01:36:55.779
this of him draining his knee. They drained his

01:36:55.779 --> 01:36:58.659
knee, and it's like a fucking coffee cup filled

01:36:58.659 --> 01:37:02.239
with pus and fluid and shit inside of his knee.

01:37:02.340 --> 01:37:04.340
And he was on crutches for a couple of days,

01:37:04.380 --> 01:37:07.189
and then... There's a video a few days after

01:37:07.189 --> 01:37:09.050
that where he's running. A lot of you motherfuckers

01:37:09.050 --> 01:37:12.430
thought I was going to go soft. I bet you hoping.

01:37:12.649 --> 01:37:15.310
Oh, Dave, you fucked up your knees. You can't

01:37:15.310 --> 01:37:18.710
run no more. Look at this thing they're pulling

01:37:18.710 --> 01:37:22.090
out of his knee. Look at that thing. Do you see

01:37:22.090 --> 01:37:24.609
that? That's a syringe full of shit. Look at

01:37:24.609 --> 01:37:27.229
the size of that fucking syringe. They're pulling

01:37:27.229 --> 01:37:31.069
that out of his knee. Look at the size of that

01:37:31.069 --> 01:37:34.939
fucking fluid. That's a lot of shit they're pulling

01:37:34.939 --> 01:37:37.359
out of his knee. They're getting another one

01:37:37.359 --> 01:37:41.260
to fill it up because they're not done yet. Oh

01:37:41.260 --> 01:37:43.060
my god, they're screwing another one in there.

01:37:43.600 --> 01:37:46.680
Jesus Christ. Look at this. This is how much

01:37:46.680 --> 01:37:51.020
pus and fluid is in his knee. And he's still

01:37:51.020 --> 01:37:56.359
running. So he's got two gigantic syringes of

01:37:56.359 --> 01:38:00.180
fluid that are stuck inside of his knee. I mean,

01:38:00.199 --> 01:38:04.829
what in the fuck? First of all, if I had a quarter

01:38:04.829 --> 01:38:06.510
of that shit, I'd be like, well, no more running

01:38:06.510 --> 01:38:09.449
for me, son. I'm done. Time to hit the pool.

01:38:09.909 --> 01:38:12.449
Yeah, I mean, it's full and they keep going.

01:38:12.529 --> 01:38:15.989
That is a big, fat, fucking syringe. And then

01:38:15.989 --> 01:38:19.890
you go to, like, two days later, he's got a video

01:38:19.890 --> 01:38:21.850
of him with crutches. And a couple days after

01:38:21.850 --> 01:38:24.329
that, he's running again. Ha, ha, ha, motherfuckers.

01:38:24.989 --> 01:38:28.689
That's crazy, man. That's a lost mindset, man.

01:38:28.930 --> 01:38:31.789
It puts him miles, too. I mean, I don't know

01:38:31.789 --> 01:38:33.569
what the fuck the inside of his knee looks like,

01:38:33.649 --> 01:38:38.529
but, you know. Definitely need more people like

01:38:38.529 --> 01:38:41.449
that. Less people, you know. Well, it's just,

01:38:41.789 --> 01:38:46.010
you know, you need to know. Like, there's all

01:38:46.010 --> 01:38:48.409
kinds of people out there in this world. But

01:38:48.409 --> 01:38:50.010
you need to know there's dudes out there with

01:38:50.010 --> 01:38:53.090
bulletproof minds. Absolutely. You need to know.

01:38:53.369 --> 01:38:56.350
I mean, just the fact, no excuses. Everybody

01:38:56.350 --> 01:38:57.970
wants excuses, like I was talking about earlier.

01:38:58.029 --> 01:39:01.390
Everybody's entitled. Yeah. But those guys are

01:39:01.390 --> 01:39:04.029
valuable. Oh, hell yeah. Hey, if the shit goes

01:39:04.029 --> 01:39:06.630
down, I want him in my compound. You know what

01:39:06.630 --> 01:39:09.050
he does sometimes? Sometimes he takes time off

01:39:09.050 --> 01:39:12.149
and goes smoke jumping. Like they just drop him

01:39:12.149 --> 01:39:14.750
out of fucking helicopters and he fights fires

01:39:14.750 --> 01:39:21.409
for like 12 bucks an hour. He's rich. But he

01:39:21.409 --> 01:39:24.630
just, he practiced what he preaches. He stays

01:39:24.630 --> 01:39:26.710
hard. He doesn't need to work for 12 bucks an

01:39:26.710 --> 01:39:29.300
hour. He does it because it's hard. When he was

01:39:29.300 --> 01:39:30.939
telling me that on the podcast, I'm like, what?

01:39:31.140 --> 01:39:36.380
He goes, yeah, smoke jump. He just jumps out

01:39:36.380 --> 01:39:38.739
of fucking helicopters with a parachute to fight

01:39:38.739 --> 01:39:43.479
fires with a shovel and camps out there. That's

01:39:43.479 --> 01:39:45.619
a hard gig. That's a hard fucking job. But he

01:39:45.619 --> 01:39:49.159
does it just to stay hard. That's fucking awesome.

01:39:50.279 --> 01:39:54.939
Man, I feel like shit. I mean, he'll do that

01:39:54.939 --> 01:39:57.539
to you. But the people like that, they're valuable.

01:39:57.920 --> 01:40:01.180
They really are. With all these weak people in

01:40:01.180 --> 01:40:03.720
this world, weak entitled people. And this is,

01:40:03.800 --> 01:40:07.199
you know, the old expression, hard men, you know,

01:40:07.220 --> 01:40:10.220
hard times make hard men. Hard men make easy

01:40:10.220 --> 01:40:13.899
times. Easy times make soft men. That's what

01:40:13.899 --> 01:40:16.500
we're going through right now. The world got

01:40:16.500 --> 01:40:18.439
a little too easy. It was just a little too,

01:40:18.579 --> 01:40:21.039
there's too many soft people out there complaining.

01:40:21.560 --> 01:40:25.100
That's a fact. It is. It really is. It's weird

01:40:25.100 --> 01:40:28.159
how that cycle just keeps repeating itself over

01:40:28.159 --> 01:40:30.340
and over and over again. It doesn't seem like

01:40:30.340 --> 01:40:32.779
human beings are ever going to learn. It seems

01:40:32.779 --> 01:40:36.279
like we kind of have to go through that. Even

01:40:36.279 --> 01:40:39.119
though you know these cycles exist, like the

01:40:39.119 --> 01:40:43.939
Hindus, they wrote about it years ago. They called

01:40:43.939 --> 01:40:46.859
them the yugas, the different cycles of civilization.

01:40:47.060 --> 01:40:49.840
And we're in Kali Yuga, which is like the age

01:40:49.840 --> 01:40:55.020
of confusion. What is the exact term of Kali

01:40:55.020 --> 01:40:57.680
Yuga? But it's chaos and everything's falling

01:40:57.680 --> 01:41:00.529
apart. this that's what we're in right now and

01:41:00.529 --> 01:41:03.930
people have been predicting that we we were entering

01:41:03.930 --> 01:41:07.729
into kali yuga like uh over the last like 10

01:41:07.729 --> 01:41:10.789
years or so and now it's pretty obvious we're

01:41:10.789 --> 01:41:15.350
full on in it yeah we're we're on the coast tomorrow's

01:41:15.350 --> 01:41:18.109
the the election i mean the inauguration and

01:41:18.109 --> 01:41:20.250
i'm like oh my god i don't even want to leave

01:41:20.250 --> 01:41:24.569
the house Let's get a buddy to land around the

01:41:24.569 --> 01:41:27.010
perimeter and just make sure. Well, they said

01:41:27.010 --> 01:41:29.069
gun sales were at an all -time high yesterday.

01:41:29.829 --> 01:41:31.989
People were just going crazy buying guns. You

01:41:31.989 --> 01:41:34.029
can't. Yeah, the place I deal with, I mean, their

01:41:34.029 --> 01:41:36.930
shelves have been empty for... Yeah. I mean,

01:41:36.949 --> 01:41:39.550
you can't... It doesn't matter what it is. Like

01:41:39.550 --> 01:41:42.909
the toilet paper aisle in March. I mean, I...

01:41:42.909 --> 01:41:45.189
That's what it's like. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah,

01:41:45.189 --> 01:41:47.090
that's what it's like. It's crazy. I walk in

01:41:47.090 --> 01:41:48.869
there and it's just like fucking... tumbleweed

01:41:48.869 --> 01:41:51.010
rolling through yeah i'm lucky i know people

01:41:51.010 --> 01:41:54.250
that like work in gun manufacture i can buy bullets

01:41:54.250 --> 01:41:56.989
off of them because if you try to go to a regular

01:41:56.989 --> 01:42:00.810
store and just buy like nine millimeter or something

01:42:00.810 --> 01:42:06.670
for an ar or a wind mag like Good luck. I don't

01:42:06.670 --> 01:42:08.149
have one. I thought they just handed you one

01:42:08.149 --> 01:42:10.029
when you moved to Texas. I'll hand you one. Really?

01:42:10.210 --> 01:42:11.390
Yeah, I'll give you one. All right, perfect.

01:42:11.689 --> 01:42:13.289
Because right now all I have is a golf club.

01:42:13.369 --> 01:42:15.369
I have to get within four feet of someone. Well,

01:42:15.470 --> 01:42:18.090
I've been given eight guns since I got here.

01:42:18.569 --> 01:42:21.909
Okay. That's an excellent welcome. That's a Texas

01:42:21.909 --> 01:42:24.949
welcome. But we'll have to take you to the range.

01:42:25.149 --> 01:42:28.270
Take you to a place. You've shot a gun before?

01:42:28.289 --> 01:42:31.590
Yeah. How many times? A lot when I was younger.

01:42:31.710 --> 01:42:34.619
But, I mean, I don't know. Maybe like 10, 15

01:42:34.619 --> 01:42:36.840
times. Oh, okay. So you know which way to point

01:42:36.840 --> 01:42:40.619
it. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, we'll set you up. Yeah.

01:42:40.640 --> 01:42:42.659
Yeah, it'd be good for you, too. It's fun. It's

01:42:42.659 --> 01:42:44.560
fun. There's a great place out here called The

01:42:44.560 --> 01:42:47.180
Range. It's an indoor place. It's such a big

01:42:47.180 --> 01:42:50.020
place that they have a 100 -yard indoor rifle

01:42:50.020 --> 01:42:52.859
range, which is just bananas. Like, who the fuck

01:42:52.859 --> 01:42:55.920
has that? Yeah, it's a nice place. That's high

01:42:55.920 --> 01:42:57.859
-end shooting out there. When I got there, they

01:42:57.859 --> 01:43:00.260
told me, if you hear a helicopter, it's Tim Kennedy.

01:43:00.380 --> 01:43:03.439
He helicopters in. He flies his own helicopter.

01:43:03.979 --> 01:43:06.779
He's another maniac, yeah. I used to watch him

01:43:06.779 --> 01:43:11.340
train over here at Onnit. He's a psycho, too.

01:43:11.560 --> 01:43:14.180
Oh, yeah, he's a bad motherfucker. You know,

01:43:14.199 --> 01:43:17.920
again, you need people like that. But he's got

01:43:17.920 --> 01:43:20.380
a lot of varied interests, too. Tim is a fascinating

01:43:20.380 --> 01:43:24.439
guy. Yeah, he's a good dude. He was a great fighter,

01:43:24.520 --> 01:43:27.560
too. And really did a lot of his fighting while

01:43:27.560 --> 01:43:30.220
he was also still serving in the military. A

01:43:30.220 --> 01:43:33.760
lot of his early days. So did Brian Stan. A lot

01:43:33.760 --> 01:43:36.439
of the elite guys that were in the military,

01:43:36.500 --> 01:43:38.159
they were in the military while they were fighting.

01:43:39.180 --> 01:43:42.260
I didn't know that about Stan. I know Tim was

01:43:42.260 --> 01:43:44.600
still. Yeah, Stan, I believe when he was in the

01:43:44.600 --> 01:43:47.060
WEC, the early days of his career, I think he

01:43:47.060 --> 01:43:49.939
was still serving. I'm pretty sure. And then

01:43:49.939 --> 01:43:53.020
he went from the WEC and transferred over to

01:43:53.020 --> 01:43:57.479
the UFC. And now I forget what he's doing in

01:43:57.479 --> 01:44:00.560
business. I think he's. I don't want to say because

01:44:00.560 --> 01:44:02.859
I'm not exactly sure, but he's very successful

01:44:02.859 --> 01:44:06.039
in the corporate world now. Oh, good for him.

01:44:06.060 --> 01:44:08.500
Which is crazy. Yeah. This guy transitions, and

01:44:08.500 --> 01:44:11.100
he was a great commentator as well, but he just

01:44:11.100 --> 01:44:12.720
decided he didn't want to do it anymore and just

01:44:12.720 --> 01:44:17.279
decided to do things outside of fighting. That's

01:44:17.279 --> 01:44:20.960
not an easy job either. Commentator? Yeah. No,

01:44:20.960 --> 01:44:25.729
it's not. When you hear a guy like Dominic Cruz

01:44:25.729 --> 01:44:27.949
or Daniel Cormier or something like that, just

01:44:27.949 --> 01:44:30.050
because you're a great fighter doesn't necessarily

01:44:30.050 --> 01:44:32.289
mean you'll be a great commentator. There's a

01:44:32.289 --> 01:44:33.789
lot of things that they have to learn, but it

01:44:33.789 --> 01:44:36.050
is really nice that the UFC has that available

01:44:36.050 --> 01:44:38.909
to them so they can transfer from fighting right

01:44:38.909 --> 01:44:41.890
into commentary. Yeah, DC does a good job. Oh,

01:44:41.909 --> 01:44:43.649
he's phenomenal. I can't remember the fight,

01:44:43.750 --> 01:44:46.729
but y 'all were doing it together, I think. y

01:44:46.729 --> 01:44:48.210
'all are like a couple of kids i don't know i'm

01:44:48.210 --> 01:44:50.130
trying to think i'm always a kid with him i love

01:44:50.130 --> 01:44:52.789
him to death but something happened i was talking

01:44:52.789 --> 01:44:54.409
i wish i could remember who was fighting man

01:44:54.409 --> 01:44:57.770
but you guys were jumping on each other and it

01:44:57.770 --> 01:45:02.170
was just like it's fun no because yeah It's good

01:45:02.170 --> 01:45:04.130
because you're obviously still a fan, right?

01:45:04.430 --> 01:45:07.090
Obviously you're doing your job. I know the fight

01:45:07.090 --> 01:45:08.890
you're talking about. It was Benil Dariush and

01:45:08.890 --> 01:45:11.569
Jakar Close. That's it. And Jakar had him hurt

01:45:11.569 --> 01:45:16.489
bad. And then Benil, he abandoned his defense

01:45:16.489 --> 01:45:18.289
and started going after him. And Benil wasn't

01:45:18.289 --> 01:45:20.289
as hurt as he thought he was. And Benil cracked

01:45:20.289 --> 01:45:22.630
him back. And then Benil wound up KOing him.

01:45:22.750 --> 01:45:25.149
And it was such a wild exchange. We're like,

01:45:25.270 --> 01:45:27.949
wah! We're leaning back and DC's leaning on me

01:45:27.949 --> 01:45:30.069
and John Anik is like this. That's us. Yeah,

01:45:30.069 --> 01:45:31.770
that's it right there. That's it. That's it.

01:45:31.869 --> 01:45:38.130
Look, he leans on me. And you don't see in that

01:45:38.130 --> 01:45:41.850
small version of it, you don't see John Anik

01:45:41.850 --> 01:45:44.510
in it, but John Anik was freaking out, too. It

01:45:44.510 --> 01:45:47.829
was wild, man. It was wild. I mean, it was just,

01:45:47.869 --> 01:45:51.310
here's the exchange. I mean, look, man, a lot

01:45:51.310 --> 01:45:53.850
of people would have been out. And then once

01:45:53.850 --> 01:45:57.350
he had Jakar closed, he hit him with that beautiful

01:45:57.350 --> 01:46:00.590
left hand and drops him. and we were just going

01:46:00.590 --> 01:46:04.270
ape shit. But I just love working with DC, period,

01:46:04.409 --> 01:46:06.829
because that's the picture. That's like a famous

01:46:06.829 --> 01:46:08.789
picture now. Yeah, that's awesome. There's one

01:46:08.789 --> 01:46:12.789
where we're all green, and they gave us alien

01:46:12.789 --> 01:46:15.750
antennas, and it's the aliens watching Earth

01:46:15.750 --> 01:46:22.109
2020. The series finale of Earth 2020. DC's...

01:46:24.039 --> 01:46:26.060
he's such a big kid like you would never believe

01:46:26.060 --> 01:46:27.979
like my wife said it best like she met him for

01:46:27.979 --> 01:46:29.680
the first time pretty recently and she was like

01:46:30.060 --> 01:46:33.760
He's so nice. You would never believe that he

01:46:33.760 --> 01:46:36.260
is like one of the baddest fucking people to

01:46:36.260 --> 01:46:38.619
ever compete in the sport. Two division world

01:46:38.619 --> 01:46:40.899
champion, heavyweight champion, light heavyweight

01:46:40.899 --> 01:46:44.560
champion, elite wrestler, fucking savage. Literally

01:46:44.560 --> 01:46:46.399
the only guy that ever beat him is Jon Jones

01:46:46.399 --> 01:46:49.760
and Stipe. Two other complete total savages.

01:46:50.000 --> 01:46:52.880
He's such a cool guy. I remember I was positive

01:46:52.880 --> 01:46:55.859
it was the first time I ever saw you guys commentate

01:46:55.859 --> 01:46:57.840
together. And, you know, you guys were like getting

01:46:57.840 --> 01:47:00.979
ready or whatever. He's like, hey, man, you know,

01:47:01.000 --> 01:47:03.060
such a cool guy. He's like, you know how to tie

01:47:03.060 --> 01:47:05.359
a tie? I'm like, yeah. He's like, will you tie

01:47:05.359 --> 01:47:07.699
this for me? And I put it around my neck and

01:47:07.699 --> 01:47:11.039
tied DC's tie for him. He's just like such a

01:47:11.039 --> 01:47:13.699
down -to -earth guy. And then you see him in

01:47:13.699 --> 01:47:16.439
the octagon at the highest level. One of the

01:47:16.439 --> 01:47:20.319
smartest fighters. Yeah, I mean, knocked out

01:47:20.319 --> 01:47:23.680
Stipe Miocic. I mean, what? Didn't see that one

01:47:23.680 --> 01:47:26.770
coming. He's a fucking... tank of a man too you

01:47:26.770 --> 01:47:29.270
know because he's only like 5 '10 but he's like

01:47:29.270 --> 01:47:33.550
5 '10 wide you know just and just couldn't be

01:47:33.550 --> 01:47:36.770
nicer I mean there's a lot of people that are

01:47:36.770 --> 01:47:39.289
really nice but DC's like he's exceptionally

01:47:39.289 --> 01:47:42.229
nice and funny it's hard to be funny when you're

01:47:42.560 --> 01:47:45.460
A fighter. It just is. You've got the stigma

01:47:45.460 --> 01:47:47.199
on you already. Like, oh, okay, he's going to

01:47:47.199 --> 01:47:49.340
be a dick. He's a badass. He's got a great sense

01:47:49.340 --> 01:47:51.899
of humor. He's always silly. Him and Max Holloway

01:47:51.899 --> 01:47:53.199
were always fucking with each other. It's really

01:47:53.199 --> 01:47:55.720
funny. Like, when he was the heavyweight champ,

01:47:55.819 --> 01:47:58.960
Max was saying, I'll fight you too, DC. They

01:47:58.960 --> 01:48:01.220
were talking about him going. Did you see the

01:48:01.220 --> 01:48:02.380
Max Holloway fight? How good did he look the

01:48:02.380 --> 01:48:05.079
other night? Jesus Christ. It was insane. He

01:48:05.079 --> 01:48:08.380
broke his own record. He has number one, number

01:48:08.380 --> 01:48:10.340
two, and number three for the most strikes landed.

01:48:10.920 --> 01:48:12.720
Most strikes landed and most strikes thrown.

01:48:12.880 --> 01:48:15.199
Oh, it was ridiculous. His volume is off the

01:48:15.199 --> 01:48:17.979
charts. It's hard to imagine. And didn't slow

01:48:17.979 --> 01:48:21.800
down one iota. In the fifth and final round,

01:48:22.039 --> 01:48:24.979
he still. That was amazing. No problems with

01:48:24.979 --> 01:48:27.520
his cardio at all. I mean, that pace will cripple

01:48:27.520 --> 01:48:30.619
a person. It's just, he's superhuman. It was

01:48:30.619 --> 01:48:32.819
like a superhuman performance. Like, I really

01:48:32.819 --> 01:48:34.720
want to talk to him about what the fuck he does

01:48:34.720 --> 01:48:37.960
for cardio. Yeah. He should give seminars. Because

01:48:37.960 --> 01:48:41.100
I just don't understand. I don't understand how

01:48:41.100 --> 01:48:43.359
he can keep that volume up. And you could see,

01:48:43.420 --> 01:48:45.720
like, and Calvin Cater, the dude he fought, is

01:48:45.720 --> 01:48:48.619
one of the toughest men that's ever lived because

01:48:48.619 --> 01:48:50.659
the beating that he took in that fight, the fact

01:48:50.659 --> 01:48:53.039
that he never stopped swinging, never gave up,

01:48:53.140 --> 01:48:56.140
never stopped trying to win, took some shots,

01:48:56.180 --> 01:48:59.220
I mean, was wobbled on multiple occasions and

01:48:59.220 --> 01:49:01.800
covered up and was still swinging, was still

01:49:01.800 --> 01:49:05.109
trying to win. God, what a fight. That was great.

01:49:05.329 --> 01:49:07.930
What? I mean, what a performance. Like, one of

01:49:07.930 --> 01:49:10.109
the greatest performances. It might be the greatest

01:49:10.109 --> 01:49:12.909
single performance I've ever seen. He was sharp,

01:49:13.029 --> 01:49:15.630
man. I just, you know, wow. Yeah. And that's

01:49:15.630 --> 01:49:17.529
coming off, what, two losses, too, right? Yeah,

01:49:17.590 --> 01:49:19.430
but I don't think the last loss was really a

01:49:19.430 --> 01:49:22.069
loss. The last loss was, you could make a real

01:49:22.069 --> 01:49:25.850
argument. Yeah. Yeah. It was a draw. Real good

01:49:25.850 --> 01:49:27.840
fight, though, still. It was still, yeah. That

01:49:27.840 --> 01:49:30.079
just shows you how good Volkanovski is. Because,

01:49:30.180 --> 01:49:31.960
you know, that he could beat him in the first

01:49:31.960 --> 01:49:33.920
fight and then, you know, have such a close fight

01:49:33.920 --> 01:49:36.239
in the second fight. But when you watch... But

01:49:36.239 --> 01:49:38.779
Holloway, in this fight, he was different. First

01:49:38.779 --> 01:49:41.619
of all, he was never in the same spot. A lot

01:49:41.619 --> 01:49:45.300
of guys that make this mistake, they think, I

01:49:45.300 --> 01:49:47.239
want to hit this guy, so I'm going to go at him

01:49:47.239 --> 01:49:49.720
and hit him. Holloway's thinking, I want him

01:49:49.720 --> 01:49:51.260
to think I'm going to hit him, and then I'm going

01:49:51.260 --> 01:49:52.859
to be over here, and now I'm going to hit you,

01:49:52.939 --> 01:49:54.579
and you're going to swing, but I'm not going

01:49:54.579 --> 01:49:57.359
to be there. I'm over here now. His footwork

01:49:57.359 --> 01:49:59.939
and movement and angles were off the chart, and

01:49:59.939 --> 01:50:04.420
he never let Calvin set. Guys like to set up

01:50:04.420 --> 01:50:07.119
and think, ready, now. And you don't get a chance

01:50:07.119 --> 01:50:10.560
with Holloway. There's always punches coming

01:50:10.560 --> 01:50:12.619
at you. There's always a kick. There's a side

01:50:12.619 --> 01:50:15.100
kick to the leg. There's a leg kick coming. There's

01:50:15.100 --> 01:50:17.500
a jab in your face. It's all mixed up. And then

01:50:17.500 --> 01:50:19.100
when you think you've got to figure it out, boom,

01:50:19.180 --> 01:50:21.420
spinning back kick. Like, fuck. It was a clinic.

01:50:21.619 --> 01:50:23.859
It was an absolute clinic. And you've always

01:50:23.859 --> 01:50:26.859
been a huge MMA fan, right? Oh, yeah. I think

01:50:26.859 --> 01:50:30.069
you were. You had to be one of the first people

01:50:30.069 --> 01:50:32.069
to really start bringing those elements into

01:50:32.069 --> 01:50:36.810
the WWE. Yeah, I started to. I mean, Hell's Gate

01:50:36.810 --> 01:50:40.729
is what, a triangle? No, no, no. It's a go -go

01:50:40.729 --> 01:50:46.149
-plata. I just changed the name. Yeah, I've been

01:50:46.149 --> 01:50:49.989
a fan from way back in the day. I'm trying to

01:50:49.989 --> 01:50:52.029
think. The first one I went to was in Miami.

01:50:54.510 --> 01:50:58.329
Might have been, so Liddell was on the way up.

01:50:58.390 --> 01:51:01.590
I think Randy was the champ. So this is like

01:51:01.590 --> 01:51:06.149
2003 or something. Early, yeah, yeah. There you

01:51:06.149 --> 01:51:10.569
go, Goga Plata. Wow, that's crazy. Changed the

01:51:10.569 --> 01:51:15.010
name to Hell's Gate. So you would grab them by

01:51:15.010 --> 01:51:17.289
the back of the head and run your shin underneath

01:51:17.289 --> 01:51:20.649
their neck. without trying to actually do that

01:51:20.649 --> 01:51:24.170
yeah did you have you trained much jujitsu like

01:51:24.170 --> 01:51:27.850
actual jujitsu i used to we used to have a funny

01:51:27.850 --> 01:51:32.310
enough we used to have a ref that uh he i'd get

01:51:32.310 --> 01:51:36.050
in and roll with him and uh man i would i would

01:51:36.050 --> 01:51:38.710
get there early and just pick his brain and by

01:51:38.710 --> 01:51:40.729
the time it shows i'd be i'd just be exhausted

01:51:40.729 --> 01:51:45.850
but you know um but i was but then you know and

01:51:45.850 --> 01:51:49.050
i did it because I was such a fan of it. I like

01:51:49.050 --> 01:51:50.810
to understand. I like to understand why things

01:51:50.810 --> 01:51:53.390
are done and why they're done and everything,

01:51:53.590 --> 01:51:57.020
boxing and wrestling and everything else. That

01:51:57.020 --> 01:52:00.039
fight that you're talking about, I feel like

01:52:00.039 --> 01:52:03.300
that's 2003, the Miami one. Because I think that

01:52:03.300 --> 01:52:05.439
was the first time that I ever did play -by -play.

01:52:05.680 --> 01:52:09.180
Boy, was I fucking terrible at it. But Phil Barone

01:52:09.180 --> 01:52:12.199
did color. So it was me and Phil Barone did the

01:52:12.199 --> 01:52:14.880
commentary. Because I think Mike Goldberg at

01:52:14.880 --> 01:52:17.000
the time had a hockey game to call or something

01:52:17.000 --> 01:52:18.560
like that. And he couldn't get out of it. So

01:52:18.560 --> 01:52:20.079
they asked me to do it. But I didn't know what

01:52:20.079 --> 01:52:22.819
I was doing. Play -by -play is like what John

01:52:22.819 --> 01:52:27.520
Anik does is hard. My role is pretty easy. If

01:52:27.520 --> 01:52:29.800
you understand fighting, there's a lot going

01:52:29.800 --> 01:52:32.899
on. You just have to know who's fighting. I'm

01:52:32.899 --> 01:52:35.380
such a fan. I'm watching everything, so I'm paying

01:52:35.380 --> 01:52:38.779
attention. I remember the fight because Tank

01:52:38.779 --> 01:52:43.500
Abbott found me. He wasn't even sitting anywhere

01:52:43.500 --> 01:52:46.699
close to me, but he spent the... He spent the

01:52:46.699 --> 01:52:48.899
fight with me. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, he talked

01:52:48.899 --> 01:52:50.100
to me the whole night. What a character that

01:52:50.100 --> 01:52:52.779
guy was. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. I ran into him years

01:52:52.779 --> 01:52:57.439
later in L .A. at a bar. Same thing, man. He's

01:52:57.439 --> 01:52:59.619
lost a crazy amount of weight now. Yeah, he was

01:52:59.619 --> 01:53:02.539
a lot slimmer when I had seen him in L .A. I

01:53:02.539 --> 01:53:05.500
think he had some issues, some health issues.

01:53:05.699 --> 01:53:08.760
Yeah. I wouldn't doubt that. Yeah, for all the

01:53:08.760 --> 01:53:13.699
boozing. Yeah. Yeah, I have a big fight. I quit

01:53:13.699 --> 01:53:16.479
going to Lesnar's fight, so every time I'd go,

01:53:16.560 --> 01:53:21.220
he'd lose. Sure enough. You felt like you were

01:53:21.220 --> 01:53:24.060
a jinx? Yeah, I was a jinx. So I went to his

01:53:24.060 --> 01:53:27.260
fight with Mir, and he got caught in that knee

01:53:27.260 --> 01:53:32.399
bar. And then he obviously came back, and he

01:53:32.399 --> 01:53:35.000
won the next one. Then I went to Velasquez's

01:53:35.000 --> 01:53:37.819
fight, when he came back from that fibroticlitis

01:53:37.819 --> 01:53:41.300
thing. That was not the Velazquez fight. That

01:53:41.300 --> 01:53:45.100
was Alistair Overeem. Alistair Overeem was the

01:53:45.100 --> 01:53:49.000
diverticulitis fight. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah,

01:53:49.039 --> 01:53:52.819
so I was at the Velasquez fight. Yeah. He had

01:53:52.819 --> 01:53:55.180
diverticulitis already when he fought Velasquez,

01:53:55.180 --> 01:53:57.159
but he doesn't know when he had it or how long

01:53:57.159 --> 01:54:00.220
he had it for. The scary one was him coming back

01:54:00.220 --> 01:54:03.119
from having, I mean, I think he had like 12 inches

01:54:03.119 --> 01:54:05.819
of his intestines removed, and then he fought

01:54:05.819 --> 01:54:08.319
Alistair over him, like not that long later.

01:54:09.289 --> 01:54:12.069
Less than a year later, Alistair kicked him in

01:54:12.069 --> 01:54:15.369
the body. Right in the liver. Alistair, at the

01:54:15.369 --> 01:54:18.470
time, he was hopped up on all the Mexican supplements.

01:54:18.810 --> 01:54:21.850
That was when they had a silly drug testing program.

01:54:22.189 --> 01:54:24.569
It was basically like an intelligence test. They

01:54:24.569 --> 01:54:26.390
would just test you the day of. If you knew what

01:54:26.390 --> 01:54:28.729
you were doing, you could pass. Alistair passed.

01:54:29.189 --> 01:54:31.170
You looked at him. You want to see someone not

01:54:31.170 --> 01:54:34.270
pass a sniff test? It's Alistair Overeem when

01:54:34.270 --> 01:54:37.890
he was fighting. Go to the weigh -in with Alistair

01:54:37.890 --> 01:54:40.319
Overeem. He's fighting Brock Lesnar. It is the

01:54:40.319 --> 01:54:43.060
most preposterous physique in the history of

01:54:43.060 --> 01:54:45.579
the sport. I mean, if you think like Yoel Romero

01:54:45.579 --> 01:54:47.600
has a ridiculous physique, Alistair Overeem,

01:54:47.600 --> 01:54:50.199
when they used to call him Uber Eem, and he was

01:54:50.199 --> 01:54:55.680
260, shredded, full six -pack, and just a destroyer.

01:54:56.640 --> 01:54:59.079
Like, no, no, no. That one down right in the

01:54:59.079 --> 01:55:01.399
bottom, lower right -hand corner, right where

01:55:01.399 --> 01:55:03.479
it says related images, right below related images.

01:55:04.090 --> 01:55:07.270
No, right below related images. Right there.

01:55:07.350 --> 01:55:08.789
You see the word related images? It's right next

01:55:08.789 --> 01:55:10.949
to your cursor. See where it says related? Yeah,

01:55:10.989 --> 01:55:16.310
right there. Bam. Look at that. Son. What is

01:55:16.310 --> 01:55:19.909
that about? I mean, what are you fucking talking

01:55:19.909 --> 01:55:23.670
about? Are you out of your mind? That is a preposterous

01:55:23.670 --> 01:55:28.989
physique. So that's Alistair when he fought Brock.

01:55:29.670 --> 01:55:32.630
I mean, he has small children living in his biceps.

01:55:33.390 --> 01:55:35.029
Look at the size of his fucking biceps. They

01:55:35.029 --> 01:55:37.750
were ridiculous. And he just smashed Brock. It

01:55:37.750 --> 01:55:40.770
was just, Brock really shouldn't have been fighting

01:55:40.770 --> 01:55:43.789
at that time. Yeah, no, he came back way too

01:55:43.789 --> 01:55:48.569
late. Major surgery. And his trainers, they were

01:55:48.569 --> 01:55:50.909
concerned. You know, like you get kicked in the

01:55:50.909 --> 01:55:53.539
stomach after you've had... literally a gigantic

01:55:53.539 --> 01:55:57.180
chunk of your intestines removed for a disease

01:55:57.180 --> 01:55:59.260
that who knows how long that was bothering him.

01:55:59.399 --> 01:56:01.119
Yeah. You know, he really didn't know. He got

01:56:01.119 --> 01:56:03.819
sick. He almost died, man. You know. Diverticulitis

01:56:03.819 --> 01:56:07.880
is crazy. Oh, it's, yeah. It's nasty. Yeah. Yeah.

01:56:07.939 --> 01:56:10.319
It's just like something gets caught in your

01:56:10.319 --> 01:56:13.060
intestine and it gets infected and jams up and

01:56:13.060 --> 01:56:16.439
clogs up. Yeah. And they don't totally understand

01:56:16.439 --> 01:56:20.260
it either. I once saw a clip of Brock leaving

01:56:20.260 --> 01:56:24.640
the Octagon. You guys are staring at each other.

01:56:24.699 --> 01:56:26.000
That's it right there. Yeah, you guys have a

01:56:26.000 --> 01:56:29.140
very serious moment. What was that about? Do

01:56:29.140 --> 01:56:30.380
you think he was trying to goad you into a fight?

01:56:30.979 --> 01:56:32.960
I was there to pick a fight. You were there to

01:56:32.960 --> 01:56:36.659
pick an MMA fight with him? Fuck no. What are

01:56:36.659 --> 01:56:41.399
you smoking? Never mind. Are you fucking crazy?

01:56:41.720 --> 01:56:44.539
So you were there to pick a WWE fight? Yeah.

01:56:47.039 --> 01:56:49.619
Yeah, that's... Well, you and Ariel Helwani...

01:56:50.460 --> 01:56:53.180
You didn't let her in? Huh? You didn't let her

01:56:53.180 --> 01:56:55.300
in on it? No, she knows what's going on, but

01:56:55.300 --> 01:56:57.979
she's still like... Does she play it off? Yeah,

01:56:58.060 --> 01:57:03.239
she's a worker, too. She gets it. I was on Ariel's

01:57:03.239 --> 01:57:07.119
show, and he asked me about it, right? Did anybody

01:57:07.119 --> 01:57:10.420
ever off you in an MMA fight? Because when CM

01:57:10.420 --> 01:57:14.159
Punk had gone in, and then Alistair, or excuse

01:57:14.159 --> 01:57:16.760
me, Brock, and there's a few other guys that

01:57:16.760 --> 01:57:22.680
were circling it. Yeah, no. Fuck, it's too late

01:57:22.680 --> 01:57:29.380
in the game for me. If MMA and UFC had probably

01:57:29.380 --> 01:57:34.699
taken off sooner, I might have. But fuck, it

01:57:34.699 --> 01:57:38.359
took a while. you know for them for you know

01:57:38.359 --> 01:57:41.920
for the ufc to come mainstream right um really

01:57:41.920 --> 01:57:45.520
2005. yeah that was when it really started happening

01:57:45.520 --> 01:57:47.199
with the first season of the ultimate fighter

01:57:47.199 --> 01:57:50.500
yeah and then but even but even still that was

01:57:50.500 --> 01:57:53.979
for the the people that that were in it you know

01:57:53.979 --> 01:57:56.619
not in it but were fans of it yeah mainstream

01:57:56.619 --> 01:58:00.000
society was still kind of you know and i think

01:58:00.000 --> 01:58:04.020
it was like ronda rousey Yeah. Those years, like

01:58:04.020 --> 01:58:06.319
the Ronda Rousey. Yeah. She, yeah. You know what?

01:58:06.619 --> 01:58:08.720
I think when sports center and everybody kind

01:58:08.720 --> 01:58:10.479
of started like, cause they tried to stay away

01:58:10.479 --> 01:58:12.979
from it as long as they could. Yeah. And, uh,

01:58:13.640 --> 01:58:16.439
uh, you know, but once sports center came in

01:58:16.439 --> 01:58:18.979
and ESPN and those guys, and it was like, Oh

01:58:18.979 --> 01:58:22.380
fuck. Yeah. Cause I think, you know, there's

01:58:22.380 --> 01:58:26.420
some people like in the MMA, MMA world, like

01:58:26.420 --> 01:58:29.680
all Ariel's fans, they just kill him. Like when

01:58:29.680 --> 01:58:32.859
he interviews me. Why you got the fake -ass bullshit

01:58:32.859 --> 01:58:38.119
wrestlers on there, right? I'm like, hey, I do

01:58:38.119 --> 01:58:40.800
what I do. I don't make any bones about it. But

01:58:40.800 --> 01:58:44.039
I think MMA people are a little more sensitive

01:58:44.039 --> 01:58:46.880
about it because I think they got looped in.

01:58:47.279 --> 01:58:49.000
Because they didn't understand. Most people didn't

01:58:49.000 --> 01:58:52.479
understand what it was yet. Really? Early on.

01:58:52.800 --> 01:58:55.899
Like, early on. And I think there's that stigma

01:58:55.899 --> 01:58:59.310
that MMA was. Was it kind of, is it like wrestling?

01:58:59.430 --> 01:59:01.350
You know, and everybody's like, fuck, no, it's

01:59:01.350 --> 01:59:03.050
not like wrestling. It's, you know, this is a

01:59:03.050 --> 01:59:05.770
fucking shoot. So I think there's a, you know,

01:59:05.770 --> 01:59:08.869
if you get it, you get it, you know, what we

01:59:08.869 --> 01:59:13.170
do. But I think that, that stigma of like, is

01:59:13.170 --> 01:59:16.510
MMA pro wrestling and fighters, you know, they're

01:59:16.510 --> 01:59:19.350
like, and it's not even so much the fighters

01:59:19.350 --> 01:59:21.970
as is the fans, you know, somebody, most of them.

01:59:22.710 --> 01:59:25.470
thrown a punch or got hit by a punch, they get

01:59:25.470 --> 01:59:28.289
all up in arms. Why you got that fake bullshit

01:59:28.289 --> 01:59:32.449
wrestler on there? Yeah, you can't worry about

01:59:32.449 --> 01:59:34.609
those people. No, I don't worry about them. Don't

01:59:34.609 --> 01:59:38.310
judge me for what I do. Yeah, I know. It's like,

01:59:38.430 --> 01:59:41.329
don't read the comments, but it's just like...

01:59:41.329 --> 01:59:43.590
What do you think about what David Arquette's

01:59:43.590 --> 01:59:46.130
doing? What's he doing? I don't even know what

01:59:46.130 --> 01:59:47.210
the fuck he's doing. You know who David Arquette

01:59:47.210 --> 01:59:49.109
is? I know who he is. He's in wrestling right

01:59:49.109 --> 01:59:51.460
now. Oh, yeah. And they just did a documentary

01:59:51.460 --> 01:59:53.979
about him. Yeah, and it's great. I saw it. What

01:59:53.979 --> 01:59:57.680
is it called? Oh, jeez. Man, I can't remember

01:59:57.680 --> 02:00:00.060
it. I can't remember the title of it, but I watched

02:00:00.060 --> 02:00:02.859
it. He did some stuff back with... What is it,

02:00:02.979 --> 02:00:04.920
Jamie? You Cannot Kill David Arquette. That's

02:00:04.920 --> 02:00:07.319
what it's called. Interesting. It's really awesome.

02:00:07.619 --> 02:00:09.739
I know he was a big wrestling fan, and he did

02:00:09.739 --> 02:00:13.000
some stuff with WCW. Well, he's like really,

02:00:13.079 --> 02:00:15.699
really into it now. I mean, that's mostly what

02:00:15.699 --> 02:00:18.369
he does these days. He's doing a lot of... pro

02:00:18.369 --> 02:00:20.609
wrestling really and he's super dedicated to

02:00:20.609 --> 02:00:22.770
it apparently i know that he look he gets busted

02:00:22.770 --> 02:00:28.569
the fuck up jesus christ yeah and the wrestlers

02:00:28.569 --> 02:00:30.949
that he goes against all want to teach him a

02:00:30.949 --> 02:00:33.270
lesson like oh you're not gonna you know they're

02:00:33.270 --> 02:00:37.170
all extra tough on them and so it goes into that

02:00:37.170 --> 02:00:40.810
a lot they're like oh david arquette thinks he's

02:00:40.810 --> 02:00:43.789
gonna come and yeah show us show us yeah yeah

02:00:43.789 --> 02:00:47.109
that mentality's kind of going away i think yeah

02:00:47.470 --> 02:00:51.149
Is it? Yeah. You know, back in the day, like

02:00:51.149 --> 02:00:55.369
when I broke in and the guys before me, like

02:00:55.369 --> 02:00:57.970
anybody, you know, fucking wrestling is bullshit.

02:00:58.590 --> 02:01:01.550
it's fucking go time right yeah it's like could

02:01:01.550 --> 02:01:04.250
you had to defend remember that famous excuse

02:01:04.250 --> 02:01:07.130
me famous video with john stossel oh fuck yeah

02:01:07.130 --> 02:01:11.289
the shit slapped out who was it david schultz

02:01:11.289 --> 02:01:14.789
right slapped the dog shit out of him like hard

02:01:14.789 --> 02:01:18.149
and that's fake yeah was that fake yeah yeah

02:01:18.149 --> 02:01:21.449
uh yeah but that was the mentality back then

02:01:21.449 --> 02:01:24.229
like well it was also the way he was talking

02:01:24.229 --> 02:01:26.529
about it was pretty disrespectful yeah saying

02:01:26.529 --> 02:01:29.869
it in a way like he was immune to getting hurt.

02:01:29.930 --> 02:01:33.170
Oh, he slaps the dog shit out of him. Let me

02:01:33.170 --> 02:01:34.489
hear this. Give me some volume. I'm holding the

02:01:34.489 --> 02:01:36.130
camera reading he ain't in it. Reading these

02:01:36.130 --> 02:01:37.710
rednecks out here ain't in it because it's a

02:01:37.710 --> 02:01:41.310
tough business. That's terrific. Wait, is that

02:01:41.310 --> 02:01:43.409
all you got? I'll ask you the standard question.

02:01:43.649 --> 02:01:45.649
You know? Standard question. I think this is

02:01:45.649 --> 02:01:49.390
fake. You think it's fake? What's that? Is that

02:01:49.390 --> 02:01:51.590
fake? Huh? What the hell's wrong with you? That's

02:01:51.590 --> 02:01:54.149
open hand slap, huh? You think it's fake? Huh?

02:01:59.210 --> 02:02:02.090
He was not expecting that. That was disrespectful.

02:02:02.590 --> 02:02:05.289
Yeah. The way he communicated was disrespectful.

02:02:05.649 --> 02:02:07.869
And he thought that he could just get away with

02:02:07.869 --> 02:02:10.390
being this hard -ass reporter to a guy that was

02:02:10.390 --> 02:02:13.529
clearly amped up. That's called reading the situation

02:02:13.529 --> 02:02:16.270
incorrectly. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you see

02:02:16.270 --> 02:02:18.250
how amped up he is? David's looking him in the

02:02:18.250 --> 02:02:21.909
eyes all fucking jacked. Yeah. Like, you don't

02:02:21.909 --> 02:02:24.569
say, I'll tell you what, I think it's fake. Yeah.

02:02:24.829 --> 02:02:29.340
You don't have to like it. Not everybody likes

02:02:29.340 --> 02:02:31.100
all forms of entertainment. Whatever happened

02:02:31.100 --> 02:02:34.479
to him? Did he suffer because of this? Yeah,

02:02:34.640 --> 02:02:38.920
I think he got blackballed from a few places.

02:02:39.119 --> 02:02:42.300
It wouldn't touch him. It's unfortunate because

02:02:42.300 --> 02:02:44.840
he was taken up for his business. Not only that,

02:02:45.000 --> 02:02:49.329
what great publicity. The same thing with Kaufman.

02:02:49.369 --> 02:02:53.210
You need to stop that, David. Give him a little

02:02:53.210 --> 02:02:58.890
slap on the old wrist. And come on. Listen, yeah,

02:02:58.989 --> 02:03:01.170
you shouldn't go around smacking reporters. Also,

02:03:01.350 --> 02:03:04.750
reporters shouldn't talk so disrespectfully to

02:03:04.750 --> 02:03:09.289
a gigantic savage. Yeah, exactly. And that era,

02:03:09.350 --> 02:03:12.989
guys, too. Those were men. You go into a dressing

02:03:12.989 --> 02:03:17.039
room nowadays. It's a lot different. I remember

02:03:17.039 --> 02:03:20.420
walking into my first real dressing room, and

02:03:20.420 --> 02:03:24.600
I also wore some crusty men, right? Like half

02:03:24.600 --> 02:03:27.100
of them had guns and knives in their bags, and

02:03:27.100 --> 02:03:31.539
shit got handled back then. Now you walk in,

02:03:31.619 --> 02:03:35.840
the guy's playing video games and fucking making

02:03:35.840 --> 02:03:39.420
sure they look pretty. Hard times make hard men.

02:03:39.560 --> 02:03:43.579
Exactly. Yeah. you know it's evolution i guess

02:03:43.579 --> 02:03:46.859
or yeah i don't know what it is but i just prefer

02:03:46.859 --> 02:03:50.500
i don't know i just i just liked i like those

02:03:50.500 --> 02:03:53.279
areas man i like that when men were men and i

02:03:53.279 --> 02:03:55.760
get it well i mean that's obviously how you came

02:03:55.760 --> 02:03:58.159
up when you came through that era when you see

02:03:58.159 --> 02:04:00.699
people that have it easier you go like when you

02:04:00.699 --> 02:04:02.739
you know you think about those days you spent

02:04:02.739 --> 02:04:04.500
rolling around on the grass in front of that

02:04:04.500 --> 02:04:08.079
dude's house face cranking you i do i think about

02:04:08.079 --> 02:04:12.220
that off i was like Dodging piles of dog shit,

02:04:12.359 --> 02:04:15.239
yeah. Look at what a rich, amazing story you

02:04:15.239 --> 02:04:17.779
have. Like the eight months you spent in that

02:04:17.779 --> 02:04:20.380
lobby, going there every Wednesday. All that

02:04:20.380 --> 02:04:23.560
stuff is what makes you you. And when it's all

02:04:23.560 --> 02:04:26.140
said and done, you're 30 -plus years in the game,

02:04:26.220 --> 02:04:29.279
you can look back on that and go, I earned every

02:04:29.279 --> 02:04:33.420
fucking ounce of this. Yeah, I can look back

02:04:33.420 --> 02:04:37.319
and, you know, I didn't cut any shortcuts and

02:04:37.319 --> 02:04:40.760
nothing was given to me. I'd be proud of that

02:04:40.760 --> 02:04:42.939
if nothing else. Do you think it would feel the

02:04:42.939 --> 02:04:45.619
same way if you went through the grooming situation

02:04:45.619 --> 02:04:47.680
that they're going through now and when they

02:04:47.680 --> 02:04:50.380
get paid to train? I'm sure they think they've

02:04:50.380 --> 02:04:53.180
got it hard. Yeah. Well, it's still not easy.

02:04:53.560 --> 02:04:56.659
No, it's not easy. But I'm sure they wake up

02:04:56.659 --> 02:04:58.140
certain days and they're like, fuck, I've got

02:04:58.140 --> 02:05:00.500
to go to the performance center and train. You

02:05:00.500 --> 02:05:02.119
know? They're like, fuck, I don't know where

02:05:02.119 --> 02:05:03.560
I'm going to sleep tonight. Meanwhile, David

02:05:03.560 --> 02:05:06.239
Goggins is running with a port of fucking fluid

02:05:06.239 --> 02:05:08.880
in his knee. He's running. Stay hard! Did you

02:05:08.880 --> 02:05:11.359
ever find the guy, your original coach, that

02:05:11.359 --> 02:05:14.659
just moved out? Oh, that guy's dead. He is dead.

02:05:14.920 --> 02:05:17.699
Yeah. Yeah, he's dead. I ran into him a few years

02:05:17.699 --> 02:05:21.899
later. I got in the business. I left a really

02:05:21.899 --> 02:05:25.340
key point out of that story, what I did. So I

02:05:25.340 --> 02:05:27.539
showed up at his house that day, right? All the

02:05:27.539 --> 02:05:30.340
shit's gone. All his furniture. He'd moved on

02:05:30.340 --> 02:05:32.939
to another territory. But I guess he had to leave

02:05:32.939 --> 02:05:36.880
so fast that he couldn't take his dogs. He had

02:05:36.880 --> 02:05:40.600
two beautiful Rottweilers. He left his dogs?

02:05:40.979 --> 02:05:44.659
Just left them? Just left them. Oh, my God. They

02:05:44.659 --> 02:05:47.750
got good homes. Well, you took them. I took them.

02:05:47.850 --> 02:05:50.470
Oh, that's right. Yeah. I was like. I mean, imagine

02:05:50.470 --> 02:05:52.590
if you didn't take them. What the fuck was he

02:05:52.590 --> 02:05:56.050
going to do? I have no idea. I would think he

02:05:56.050 --> 02:05:58.329
would have came back or had somebody come back

02:05:58.329 --> 02:06:00.770
for him. But I was like, I got. I'm out two grand.

02:06:00.770 --> 02:06:02.869
I hadn't learned anything but some amateur wrestling.

02:06:03.109 --> 02:06:05.130
I was like, fuck that. I'm taking these dogs.

02:06:06.250 --> 02:06:09.029
I couldn't eat myself. I didn't have enough money

02:06:09.029 --> 02:06:11.229
to feed myself. I didn't know how the fuck I

02:06:11.229 --> 02:06:13.350
was going to feed some dogs. But I knew I was

02:06:13.350 --> 02:06:15.689
getting something out of this. I got the shit

02:06:15.689 --> 02:06:17.630
kicked out of me for six weeks. I'm getting something

02:06:17.630 --> 02:06:20.510
out of this. And I ran into him. It was a few

02:06:20.510 --> 02:06:23.569
years later for a different company. And we're

02:06:23.569 --> 02:06:26.630
sitting across. And he had no clue. He had no

02:06:26.630 --> 02:06:29.029
clue who I was. And we're sitting across. the

02:06:29.029 --> 02:06:31.949
the dressing room i'm just staring at him right

02:06:31.949 --> 02:06:34.210
and he's like you know and he was like i said

02:06:34.210 --> 02:06:36.909
buzz was he was he was a tough guy he was you

02:06:36.909 --> 02:06:41.569
know a good amateur he said why are you staring

02:06:41.569 --> 02:06:44.050
at me i said you don't know who i am do you he

02:06:44.050 --> 02:06:47.510
goes should i i was like yeah you probably should

02:06:47.510 --> 02:06:49.590
you took two thousand dollars with my money you

02:06:49.590 --> 02:06:52.670
should probably know who i am yeah he's kind

02:06:52.670 --> 02:06:55.890
of squinting at me like what do you want to do

02:06:55.890 --> 02:06:59.359
what's up I don't need to do anything. I got

02:06:59.359 --> 02:07:01.819
my money. I said, how do you have your dogs?

02:07:04.819 --> 02:07:09.960
It's like, you took my dogs? I was like, yeah,

02:07:09.979 --> 02:07:12.640
I took your fucking dogs. You fucking left me.

02:07:12.899 --> 02:07:14.920
He was like, well, fuck, what do you want to

02:07:14.920 --> 02:07:20.720
do? I'm good, man. I'm all good. At that point,

02:07:20.899 --> 02:07:23.739
I'm still a fucking greenhorn, right? He's a

02:07:23.739 --> 02:07:27.569
veteran. I'm like, fuck. I'd have probably got

02:07:27.569 --> 02:07:29.649
my ass kicked. He'd have probably took me down

02:07:29.649 --> 02:07:33.189
and fucking put me out. But I'm thinking like,

02:07:33.250 --> 02:07:38.489
hmm. But there's always like, fuck. Here I am

02:07:38.489 --> 02:07:41.430
trying to get my foot in the door. Do I fight

02:07:41.430 --> 02:07:43.189
this guy and get fucking fired right out of the

02:07:43.189 --> 02:07:45.810
get -go? Right, right. And I remember one night

02:07:45.810 --> 02:07:49.529
I had a chance. I don't know. Sometimes I think

02:07:49.529 --> 02:07:51.609
about it. I should have took it. I was looking

02:07:51.609 --> 02:07:55.579
out my hotel window. this hotel, there was a

02:07:55.579 --> 02:07:58.479
waffle house and I was looking out my window

02:07:58.479 --> 02:08:00.560
and I could, I could see in the waffle. I could

02:08:00.560 --> 02:08:02.300
see him and he was by himself and he was all

02:08:02.300 --> 02:08:04.760
fucked up. He was all peeled up. You know, you

02:08:04.760 --> 02:08:06.500
could tell, you know, he's bobbing and fucking,

02:08:06.500 --> 02:08:10.760
I'm thinking, fuck, I could go hide behind a

02:08:10.760 --> 02:08:14.020
car right now and just fucking tee off on him.

02:08:14.159 --> 02:08:17.359
No one, one, no one would care and no one would

02:08:17.359 --> 02:08:20.119
know. So I'm, I'm having this battle with myself.

02:08:20.180 --> 02:08:23.079
It's like three in the morning. Like, fuck. Yeah.

02:08:24.079 --> 02:08:26.460
No, don't do it, don't do it, don't do it. Good

02:08:26.460 --> 02:08:28.699
thing you didn't do it. Yeah, I didn't do it.

02:08:29.279 --> 02:08:31.039
That's how people die. Yeah, that's how people

02:08:31.039 --> 02:08:32.619
fucking really, you know. And there would have

02:08:32.619 --> 02:08:35.619
been me on camera somewhere. He owed me $2 ,000,

02:08:35.840 --> 02:08:37.779
but I did get his dogs, and now he's dead. I'm

02:08:37.779 --> 02:08:41.760
sorry. Yeah, everything worked out all right,

02:08:41.760 --> 02:08:44.720
I guess. Yeah. Have you ever tried Dallas Diamond

02:08:44.720 --> 02:08:49.220
Page's yoga? I have not, and you know what? I'm

02:08:49.220 --> 02:08:52.199
actually contemplating giving Dallas a call.

02:08:52.260 --> 02:08:54.989
You should give him a call. It's legit. It's

02:08:54.989 --> 02:08:57.170
very legit. It's legit for everybody, but he

02:08:57.170 --> 02:08:59.449
has a soft spot in his heart for wrestlers, obviously.

02:08:59.569 --> 02:09:02.750
Yeah, he's taking guys in. He really helped Jake

02:09:02.750 --> 02:09:08.329
the Snake. But his whole system, his DDP yoga,

02:09:08.489 --> 02:09:09.989
he doesn't even like calling it yoga. He likes

02:09:09.989 --> 02:09:15.390
to call it just DDP. It is yoga. I mean, he's

02:09:15.390 --> 02:09:18.430
doing yoga moves, but he adds some dynamic tension

02:09:18.430 --> 02:09:21.010
to them and a bunch of other things. I mean,

02:09:21.029 --> 02:09:26.630
that guy is fit as fuck. Yeah, he's 60. He's

02:09:26.630 --> 02:09:28.689
in his 60s? I think he's in his 60s. He's in

02:09:28.689 --> 02:09:31.250
his 60s, super flexible. And that's one of the

02:09:31.250 --> 02:09:33.729
secrets to Chris Jericho's not getting injured.

02:09:33.829 --> 02:09:36.350
He's another one of those big yoga guys. And

02:09:36.350 --> 02:09:39.189
when DDP came out with his, he switched over

02:09:39.189 --> 02:09:41.630
to that. Listen, man, Hickson Gracie, the greatest

02:09:41.630 --> 02:09:44.510
jiu -jitsu player of all time, was a yogi. He

02:09:44.510 --> 02:09:47.409
was really into yoga. It was one of his big secrets

02:09:47.409 --> 02:09:49.529
early in his career is that Hickson was super

02:09:49.529 --> 02:09:52.670
flexible and super strong. I mean, yoga's amazing.

02:09:53.029 --> 02:09:56.529
But Dallas, he can grab his foot. like right

02:09:56.529 --> 02:09:59.390
now at his age and stretch it up to a full split

02:09:59.390 --> 02:10:01.560
standing. It's crazy. He did it in my fucking

02:10:01.560 --> 02:10:04.020
studio without even warming up. Just grabs his

02:10:04.020 --> 02:10:06.520
foot and can do it. Fuck, I'd tear something.

02:10:06.619 --> 02:10:09.140
You'd have to pull me out of here. Well, he did

02:10:09.140 --> 02:10:11.579
it. He learned yoga and did all this because

02:10:11.579 --> 02:10:14.100
his back was so fucked. And his back to this

02:10:14.100 --> 02:10:17.079
day, it's like, you know, stenosis is off the

02:10:17.079 --> 02:10:19.159
charts. He probably barely has any discs back

02:10:19.159 --> 02:10:21.720
there. But he just strengthened all those muscles

02:10:21.720 --> 02:10:24.979
on his spinal column so strong through yoga to

02:10:24.979 --> 02:10:26.359
the point where, you know, he doesn't really

02:10:26.359 --> 02:10:28.859
have any pain anymore. Never had to get everything

02:10:28.859 --> 02:10:30.939
fused. Like a lot of guys wind up getting their

02:10:30.939 --> 02:10:33.640
shit fused. He just really got into yoga and

02:10:33.640 --> 02:10:35.979
helps a lot of people with it too. And there's

02:10:35.979 --> 02:10:38.840
amazing success stories on his website where

02:10:38.840 --> 02:10:40.640
you see there was this one guy in particular

02:10:40.640 --> 02:10:43.060
who was overweight and he had to walk around

02:10:43.060 --> 02:10:44.619
on crutches. And at the end of the video, the

02:10:44.619 --> 02:10:46.920
guy's running. You know, like a couple of years

02:10:46.920 --> 02:10:50.920
of him training him and adjusting his diet and

02:10:50.920 --> 02:10:54.899
then this constant daily dedication to that yoga.

02:10:55.140 --> 02:10:57.039
Yeah. My wife's been on me. She says, you need

02:10:57.039 --> 02:10:59.079
to call him. You don't even have to. call him

02:10:59.079 --> 02:11:01.000
i was like well if i want to do it i need to

02:11:01.000 --> 02:11:02.859
i need to you know i need to talk to him just

02:11:02.859 --> 02:11:05.020
how to do it i need to do it because he's such

02:11:05.020 --> 02:11:07.960
a great guy too he's such a great guy yeah he's

02:11:07.960 --> 02:11:10.140
another one of those guys that you know positive

02:11:10.140 --> 02:11:12.840
energy yeah you know It makes you feel better

02:11:12.840 --> 02:11:15.319
just being, you know, being around him. He's

02:11:15.319 --> 02:11:17.640
also, he, like, does so much for other people.

02:11:17.720 --> 02:11:20.560
Like, he really does love helping other people.

02:11:20.600 --> 02:11:22.899
Likes helping them get clean, clean their act

02:11:22.899 --> 02:11:24.899
up, and then get their body in shape and get

02:11:24.899 --> 02:11:27.659
fit. You know, he has a whole house in Dallas

02:11:27.659 --> 02:11:30.000
that's dedicated, or is it Atlanta? Atlanta.

02:11:30.000 --> 02:11:32.060
I think he's in Atlanta. Yeah, he has a whole

02:11:32.060 --> 02:11:35.060
house in Atlanta where he keeps people that,

02:11:35.100 --> 02:11:36.840
you know, like, that are trying to get their

02:11:36.840 --> 02:11:40.149
shit together. He helps guys out. Yeah. i should

02:11:40.149 --> 02:11:42.949
i get me i got i got these guys a guy comes in

02:11:42.949 --> 02:11:46.909
once a week to my house helps me stretch and

02:11:46.909 --> 02:11:51.090
uh it does wonders and i'm you know i should

02:11:51.090 --> 02:11:53.649
probably do it three times a week but yeah it's

02:11:53.649 --> 02:11:55.649
stretching is one of those things if you don't

02:11:55.649 --> 02:11:58.710
do it you need it yeah yeah these guys are good

02:11:58.710 --> 02:12:02.789
they used to be out on it too uh i don't know

02:12:02.789 --> 02:12:05.689
if you ever saw tk tk is that from black swan

02:12:05.689 --> 02:12:08.470
yoga No, no, no. There's those guys. TK stretching,

02:12:08.569 --> 02:12:12.670
man. It's his couple. Oh, okay. And, uh, uh,

02:12:12.689 --> 02:12:15.390
Kimberly, she, she stretches my wife and then

02:12:15.390 --> 02:12:19.010
Tim stretches me. And it's like, it's like one

02:12:19.010 --> 02:12:20.810
of the highlights. It's like afterwards. It's

02:12:20.810 --> 02:12:23.609
like that two, three hours where I, I can still

02:12:23.609 --> 02:12:25.689
move. I can, I, you know, I could, I could, maybe

02:12:25.689 --> 02:12:27.850
I could still do this shit, you know? And then

02:12:27.850 --> 02:12:29.949
it goes away. And then I just did yoga every

02:12:29.949 --> 02:12:33.359
day. That's how you feel. Like legit. Like that's

02:12:33.359 --> 02:12:35.699
how Dallas is. I mean, it's really because of

02:12:35.699 --> 02:12:38.260
his yoga. Yeah. I got it. That mindset. Like

02:12:38.260 --> 02:12:41.399
when I have, like when I was getting ready for

02:12:41.399 --> 02:12:44.779
an event, I'm a fucking animal. Like, it's like,

02:12:44.920 --> 02:12:47.420
okay, I got to be ready on this date. You know,

02:12:47.439 --> 02:12:51.539
what would you do? Like, what's your, I would,

02:12:51.619 --> 02:12:54.880
it's kind of like a modified CrossFit strength

02:12:54.880 --> 02:12:58.119
training kind of deal. And which is, uh, catered

02:12:58.119 --> 02:13:00.560
around my injuries. You know, there's a lot of

02:13:00.560 --> 02:13:04.989
things that I can't, do, but most of my concerns

02:13:04.989 --> 02:13:07.170
over the last few years, because I would, you

02:13:07.170 --> 02:13:10.029
know, sometimes only work once a year, is cardio.

02:13:10.350 --> 02:13:13.289
You know, I'm not so worried about, you know,

02:13:13.289 --> 02:13:17.869
being all yoked up or a lot of times I need to

02:13:17.869 --> 02:13:21.250
lose weight because I feel better at this point

02:13:21.250 --> 02:13:24.989
in my career at, you know, 290 or 285 than I

02:13:24.989 --> 02:13:29.229
do at 305. And so, you know, first thing to do

02:13:29.229 --> 02:13:32.880
is assess where I'm at. okay, do I need to add

02:13:32.880 --> 02:13:35.840
weight, gain weight, or lose weight, whatever

02:13:35.840 --> 02:13:40.680
I need to do, and then where's my cardio? Because

02:13:40.680 --> 02:13:43.159
if my cardio is good, then everything else is

02:13:43.159 --> 02:13:46.159
kind of like riding a bike. I'll need to get

02:13:46.159 --> 02:13:48.500
in spar a little bit just for timing of certain

02:13:48.500 --> 02:13:51.300
things, but it all begins and ends with cardio.

02:13:51.439 --> 02:13:55.560
So I back out 16 weeks and have the, you know,

02:13:55.579 --> 02:14:02.119
this is the goal for this deal. A fair amount

02:14:02.119 --> 02:14:05.000
of strength. I have to do some strength training

02:14:05.000 --> 02:14:08.800
just to keep my sanity. Because I'm a muscle

02:14:08.800 --> 02:14:13.579
head. I used to do five exercises, four sets,

02:14:13.760 --> 02:14:16.560
ten reps. That's the school that I come from.

02:14:17.000 --> 02:14:21.359
So I had to break it down into pushing sleds

02:14:21.359 --> 02:14:26.159
and kettlebells and all of that. Assault bike.

02:14:26.340 --> 02:14:29.109
Fuck. Yeah, that's my favorite. The assault bike?

02:14:29.250 --> 02:14:32.229
Yeah, for torture. Oh, my gosh. Tabatas, you

02:14:32.229 --> 02:14:34.970
do tabatas on it? Yeah. 20 -second sprints and

02:14:34.970 --> 02:14:37.529
then 10 seconds off. Have you ever seen the assault

02:14:37.529 --> 02:14:39.949
bike? No. It was at my studio. I have it at home

02:14:39.949 --> 02:14:44.590
now, but it's got the handles. I got an Echo

02:14:44.590 --> 02:14:46.689
bike from Rogue. That's the best one. That's

02:14:46.689 --> 02:14:48.630
the best one, yeah. Yeah, it's fucking phenomenal.

02:14:48.970 --> 02:14:51.869
It's so hard to do. You do sprints. So for 20

02:14:51.869 --> 02:14:53.770
seconds, you go all out, and then you rest for

02:14:53.770 --> 02:14:55.810
10 seconds, and then 20 seconds all out, and

02:14:55.810 --> 02:14:59.029
you do a series of eight of those. It takes four

02:14:59.029 --> 02:15:02.590
minutes. And, dude, you just want to die. After

02:15:02.590 --> 02:15:04.470
four minutes is over, you just fall down. You

02:15:04.470 --> 02:15:06.449
collapse. You look down. There's a puddle of

02:15:06.449 --> 02:15:08.369
sweat. You're like, what happened? Yeah, four

02:15:08.369 --> 02:15:10.670
minutes. Honestly, yeah. Yeah, four minutes will

02:15:10.670 --> 02:15:14.239
crush you. Yeah, and I do, when I was getting

02:15:14.239 --> 02:15:16.600
ready for elk hunting season, because you know

02:15:16.600 --> 02:15:18.380
that's in the mountains and it's hard, I did

02:15:18.380 --> 02:15:21.840
10 of those. So I did 10 of those four minutes,

02:15:21.859 --> 02:15:24.960
so 40 minutes. So I'd do one, I'd let my heart

02:15:24.960 --> 02:15:27.640
rate drop down below 130 beats per minute, and

02:15:27.640 --> 02:15:29.600
then I'd just do another one again. And then

02:15:29.600 --> 02:15:32.590
I just kept doing it. I just kept doing it. And

02:15:32.590 --> 02:15:35.689
my legs never got tired elk hunting season. They

02:15:35.689 --> 02:15:37.710
would always get tired. But it conditions your

02:15:37.710 --> 02:15:42.609
legs so much because you're pushing against the

02:15:42.609 --> 02:15:44.930
resistance of that thing. It's just one of the

02:15:44.930 --> 02:15:46.909
best cardio exercises ever, and fighters use

02:15:46.909 --> 02:15:51.729
it all the time. They'll do all their drills

02:15:51.729 --> 02:15:54.609
and all their pad hitting work, and then when

02:15:54.609 --> 02:15:56.270
they have to do some extra conditioning at the

02:15:56.270 --> 02:15:59.529
end, a lot of guys love that. Yeah, yeah. Usually

02:15:59.529 --> 02:16:04.930
I would start up. Uh, either on a wrong row and

02:16:04.930 --> 02:16:08.050
then, uh, you know, do my workout. And then the

02:16:08.050 --> 02:16:11.470
end fucking hit that Tabata. It's amazing. Cause

02:16:11.470 --> 02:16:14.250
the whole time that it is, you're right. You

02:16:14.250 --> 02:16:16.750
feel so good. And I've actually done it too with,

02:16:16.829 --> 02:16:20.609
with, uh, uh, where you cut the oxygen off and.

02:16:21.010 --> 02:16:23.909
Oh Jesus. Oh yeah. Like we're wearing those masks.

02:16:24.289 --> 02:16:28.939
Ugh. Why? Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm thinking

02:16:28.939 --> 02:16:33.200
while I'm doing it. I feel like my lungs are

02:16:33.200 --> 02:16:36.219
like a dried out sponge. I'm like, get this thing

02:16:36.219 --> 02:16:44.979
off of me. When I have that date, I've got four

02:16:44.979 --> 02:16:47.420
months and I don't want to embarrass myself.

02:16:48.459 --> 02:16:54.680
That's the key. You're old. You're putting yourself

02:16:54.680 --> 02:16:56.459
out there. Nobody's making you do this. You're

02:16:56.459 --> 02:16:58.579
doing this yourself, so you've got to be the

02:16:58.579 --> 02:17:04.959
best you can be. Then it's easy for me. Right

02:17:04.959 --> 02:17:08.840
now, I'm in this transition period, COVID. I'm

02:17:08.840 --> 02:17:10.239
going to need a Goggins call here in a minute.

02:17:10.680 --> 02:17:13.299
I'm about to puss out. I'm going to need Goggins

02:17:13.299 --> 02:17:17.159
to call and just cuss me out like a bitch. It's

02:17:17.159 --> 02:17:21.219
just trying to get that... You know, that workout,

02:17:21.299 --> 02:17:24.040
I'll go upstairs and, you know, do some bench,

02:17:24.079 --> 02:17:29.000
see what I can, you know. Okay, yeah. With your

02:17:29.000 --> 02:17:31.639
shoulder, I can't imagine that you still do benching.

02:17:31.639 --> 02:17:35.280
It's crazy. Yeah. Because that's the thing that

02:17:35.280 --> 02:17:37.639
fucks shoulders up the most, really, is benching.

02:17:37.639 --> 02:17:46.159
I tore my pec benching early, or in 99. I used

02:17:46.159 --> 02:17:48.159
to train with this guy. He passed away. His name

02:17:48.159 --> 02:17:51.209
was Brian Adams Crush. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It was

02:17:51.209 --> 02:17:54.450
one of my best friends. And he grew up in Hawaii.

02:17:55.629 --> 02:17:59.370
And, you know, he'd go down. He's always in the

02:17:59.370 --> 02:18:03.590
ocean. Just incredible. Funny story about Brian.

02:18:04.190 --> 02:18:07.129
So I met him when I first started with WWE. I

02:18:07.129 --> 02:18:11.930
met him in a gym. And, you know, I don't know

02:18:11.930 --> 02:18:15.190
anybody there, really. He's on a squat rack,

02:18:15.270 --> 02:18:18.180
and he's got 315 on it. And he comes over, hey,

02:18:18.299 --> 02:18:19.879
you mind spotting me, right? And I said, yeah,

02:18:19.899 --> 02:18:23.979
yeah, sure. So, you know, he's moved up to the,

02:18:24.040 --> 02:18:25.340
you know, he's up on the bar and he's getting

02:18:25.340 --> 02:18:28.120
his hands on it. So, you know, when you spot

02:18:28.120 --> 02:18:30.420
somebody, when you think they're about to squat,

02:18:30.600 --> 02:18:32.840
you know, you grab them, you know, underneath,

02:18:33.020 --> 02:18:37.879
right? Right. So I go and I grab him, right?

02:18:37.979 --> 02:18:42.620
And he goes, what the fuck are you doing? You

02:18:42.620 --> 02:18:48.180
know, I won't use the expletives in the derogatory.

02:18:48.819 --> 02:18:51.260
Yes. You're following me, right? Yes, I got you.

02:18:51.360 --> 02:18:54.399
Okay. So he goes, I'm not going to squat this.

02:18:54.600 --> 02:18:57.079
This would crush me. I'm on a military president.

02:18:59.579 --> 02:19:02.920
315 behind the neck. He did eight. Boom, boom,

02:19:03.000 --> 02:19:08.239
boom, boom, boom. Wow. And racked it. And he

02:19:08.239 --> 02:19:13.239
was 6 '7", right? big upper body. That's a lot

02:19:13.239 --> 02:19:15.700
of fucking weight to military. Yeah. It's standing.

02:19:15.799 --> 02:19:18.139
No, not on a Smith machine. He just did it. Right.

02:19:19.159 --> 02:19:22.319
Huge upper body, like pool, pool cues for legs.

02:19:22.440 --> 02:19:26.399
But, you know, uh, but anyway, that's who, that

02:19:26.399 --> 02:19:29.059
was my training partner. Right. So we're training

02:19:29.059 --> 02:19:33.139
one day and, uh, I was rehabbing a groin injury

02:19:33.139 --> 02:19:36.260
and I was just about to go back to work. And,

02:19:36.280 --> 02:19:40.420
uh, feeling really strong one day so i got 485

02:19:40.420 --> 02:19:43.940
on and brian was a social butterfly right so

02:19:43.940 --> 02:19:47.639
he's talking to the guy over here so he unracks

02:19:47.639 --> 02:19:54.500
it i go down one i'm like oh fuck that felt good

02:19:54.500 --> 02:19:58.920
right so i come down for the second one and it

02:19:58.920 --> 02:20:01.459
felt like you know when a fish starts to hit

02:20:01.459 --> 02:20:05.020
a line yeah it starts tugging Oh, no. That's

02:20:05.020 --> 02:20:11.920
what I feel. It's like... Oh, no. Brian's oblivious.

02:20:12.100 --> 02:20:15.020
Oh, no. So I'm sitting there with 485 on my chest

02:20:15.020 --> 02:20:18.879
like this. Like, Brian! Brian! And he comes up.

02:20:18.920 --> 02:20:21.340
Come on, you got it? Oh, my God. And I'm like,

02:20:21.440 --> 02:20:24.920
look. I could already tell it was just fucking

02:20:24.920 --> 02:20:27.600
gone. So he fucking upright rose this shit off

02:20:27.600 --> 02:20:32.260
of me. Oh, my God. Well, adrenaline. And I'm

02:20:32.260 --> 02:20:39.200
just like, oh, shit. I tore the muscle from the

02:20:39.200 --> 02:20:43.899
tendon. Did you get it reattached? Yeah, I got

02:20:43.899 --> 02:20:47.799
it reattached. Another time, Dr. Bird tells me,

02:20:47.840 --> 02:20:50.860
he goes, I know you know a lot more about medicine

02:20:50.860 --> 02:20:54.659
than I do. He goes, you tear it again, I'm not

02:20:54.659 --> 02:20:56.120
going to be able to fix it. So you might want

02:20:56.120 --> 02:20:59.520
to do your rehab. Back then, I'd do half -ass

02:20:59.520 --> 02:21:01.579
rehab and get back to work as soon as I could.

02:21:02.700 --> 02:21:05.200
How long did it take to recover from that? That

02:21:05.200 --> 02:21:07.920
took a while, and it was a long time. That was

02:21:07.920 --> 02:21:10.879
about an eight -month rehab on that one. And

02:21:10.879 --> 02:21:13.579
then I didn't bench again for years. Yeah. I

02:21:13.579 --> 02:21:16.180
was just scared. Fuck, I don't want to tear it

02:21:16.180 --> 02:21:19.280
again. Yeah, it's a scary one. Yeah, it was.

02:21:20.239 --> 02:21:21.979
Torn pecs are weird. I had a friend who had a

02:21:21.979 --> 02:21:24.000
torn pec and he never got it fixed, so he had

02:21:24.000 --> 02:21:26.620
this weird, crazy divot. Yeah. Yeah, it was real

02:21:26.620 --> 02:21:30.360
odd. It's like he had extra tit here, and this

02:21:30.360 --> 02:21:33.959
was like a hole. It's crazy how tough wrestlers

02:21:33.959 --> 02:21:36.920
are. I remember one of the Piper things that

02:21:36.920 --> 02:21:38.700
I remember the most is we were hanging out a

02:21:38.700 --> 02:21:40.620
lot. He was doing stand -up at the Comedy Store

02:21:40.620 --> 02:21:42.700
in some of the last years of his life, hanging

02:21:42.700 --> 02:21:45.100
out there a lot late night with me, embarrassed.

02:21:45.299 --> 02:21:47.340
We would all just go to the diners afterwards.

02:21:47.739 --> 02:21:51.299
He would drive a lot, and he was having trouble

02:21:51.299 --> 02:21:53.979
with his shoulder sort of famously for a month.

02:21:54.100 --> 02:21:56.020
He was like, oh, God. When he was turning his

02:21:56.020 --> 02:21:58.139
steering wheel, he was like, oh, you could tell.

02:21:58.870 --> 02:22:01.309
Even though he obviously had a very high tolerance

02:22:01.309 --> 02:22:03.430
for pain. Extremely high tolerance for pain.

02:22:03.489 --> 02:22:05.649
He's like, ah, shoulder. He's like, yeah, I'm

02:22:05.649 --> 02:22:08.170
going to a doctor in a couple weeks. Next couple,

02:22:08.270 --> 02:22:10.389
whole couple weeks, my shoulder. Jeez Louise.

02:22:11.229 --> 02:22:13.409
Then after that, he's like, yeah, I went to the

02:22:13.409 --> 02:22:16.569
doctor. Turns out my neck's broken. He just had

02:22:16.569 --> 02:22:20.489
a broken neck. Thought he had a sore shoulder.

02:22:20.950 --> 02:22:24.129
How did he break his neck? I mean, it's just

02:22:24.129 --> 02:22:27.430
like every injury. It's crazy. So I wrestled.

02:22:27.739 --> 02:22:31.059
After that, I think it was 2015, I wrestled Lesnar

02:22:31.059 --> 02:22:35.299
at WrestleMania at the Superdome. Somewhere in

02:22:35.299 --> 02:22:37.100
the first five minutes or so of the match, I

02:22:37.100 --> 02:22:40.100
get concussed. I can't tell you where it happened,

02:22:40.200 --> 02:22:44.399
when it happened, but I have no memory whatsoever

02:22:44.399 --> 02:22:49.559
of the match at all. Crazy. My memory from that

02:22:49.559 --> 02:22:53.059
day, the last memory that I have is at about

02:22:53.059 --> 02:22:56.219
3 o 'clock in the afternoon. This is crazy, right?

02:22:56.280 --> 02:22:58.100
Three o 'clock in the afternoon, I have a conversation

02:22:58.100 --> 02:23:02.600
with my wife. So obviously I had all that time.

02:23:02.680 --> 02:23:06.120
I think we went to the ring around 9, 9 .30.

02:23:07.680 --> 02:23:10.079
The concussion happens somewhere within the first

02:23:10.079 --> 02:23:14.799
five minutes of the match. And anyway, I go through

02:23:14.799 --> 02:23:18.360
the match. The match goes for 30 minutes. I couldn't

02:23:18.360 --> 02:23:20.020
tell you one thing about it. I mean, I've seen

02:23:20.020 --> 02:23:22.620
it back now, but I mean, at the time. I got no

02:23:22.620 --> 02:23:25.620
recollection. Couldn't tell you my name. Couldn't

02:23:25.620 --> 02:23:28.180
tell you where I was at. Had no clue. Never lost

02:23:28.180 --> 02:23:31.879
consciousness, but had no clue. Anyway, they

02:23:31.879 --> 02:23:37.059
take me to the hospital. And they take me back.

02:23:37.180 --> 02:23:40.360
And my wife and Vince are there in the waiting

02:23:40.360 --> 02:23:42.799
room. They come out. It's the same kind of deal.

02:23:42.899 --> 02:23:47.540
They go, all right, he's broken his neck. And,

02:23:47.639 --> 02:23:50.920
you know, we're going to give him another scan.

02:23:51.959 --> 02:23:54.879
Obviously, my wife is completely freaking out

02:23:54.879 --> 02:24:00.680
at this point. Come to find out, they had read

02:24:00.680 --> 02:24:04.819
the scans wrong. It was an old break that I never

02:24:04.819 --> 02:24:10.840
knew I had. So you had a break. You're just still

02:24:10.840 --> 02:24:12.959
wrestling with it. I never knew it. Oh, my God.

02:24:13.059 --> 02:24:16.280
Yeah. Probably just assumed. Was that pain in

02:24:16.280 --> 02:24:18.620
your shoulder too? That's what I'm noticing.

02:24:18.760 --> 02:24:20.920
It's like a lot of these neck injuries go to

02:24:20.920 --> 02:24:22.739
the shoulder. You're talking about your neck

02:24:22.739 --> 02:24:25.079
injury. Is that where it's bothering you? Totally.

02:24:25.219 --> 02:24:27.120
The whole back of my shoulder blade is messed

02:24:27.120 --> 02:24:29.959
up. I just found out that my neck is messed up.

02:24:29.959 --> 02:24:33.399
Disc on disc. Whatever. Bone on bone. You have

02:24:33.399 --> 02:24:35.979
stenosis. You probably got that from wrestling.

02:24:36.700 --> 02:24:40.260
Yeah. They have me on steroids right now. Can

02:24:40.260 --> 02:24:43.170
you tell? They ain't got you on the right ones.

02:24:45.930 --> 02:24:49.690
They probably have you on cortisone. Yeah. Methylprednisone

02:24:49.690 --> 02:24:51.469
or something? Yeah, prednisone. Yes. I don't

02:24:51.469 --> 02:24:53.709
think you get jacked on prednisone. Damn. It's

02:24:53.709 --> 02:24:59.530
the wrong stuff. I'd be huge if you did. Yeah.

02:24:59.969 --> 02:25:03.510
I contacted that dude about stem cells. Oh, cool.

02:25:03.690 --> 02:25:05.549
I talked to him about that. Have you had any

02:25:05.549 --> 02:25:09.850
stem cells? I have. I did PRP and stem cells.

02:25:10.459 --> 02:25:12.420
Didn't do much good for, like, I put them in

02:25:12.420 --> 02:25:15.979
my knee. But I had all these guys now that are

02:25:15.979 --> 02:25:20.200
going down to Columbia and Panama. And they swear

02:25:20.200 --> 02:25:24.540
by it. I think because they're getting more down

02:25:24.540 --> 02:25:28.020
there than the FDA will allow here. Exactly.

02:25:28.139 --> 02:25:32.200
But I have two guys that I know have gone down

02:25:32.200 --> 02:25:35.549
there and swear by it. Yeah, I sent my mom down

02:25:35.549 --> 02:25:37.569
there. I sent my mom to Panama. Yeah, twice.

02:25:37.950 --> 02:25:43.129
She had a really bad knee, and it was in pain

02:25:43.129 --> 02:25:46.030
all the time. And she went, and then six months

02:25:46.030 --> 02:25:49.629
later, the pain went away. It took a while, but

02:25:49.629 --> 02:25:51.430
for six months, she was like, I'm not feeling

02:25:51.430 --> 02:25:55.010
anything. It feels the same. And then about six

02:25:55.010 --> 02:25:57.969
months later, because she's in her 70s, it took

02:25:57.969 --> 02:26:01.280
a little while before it kicked in. It started

02:26:01.280 --> 02:26:03.219
feeling much better, and then she went back again

02:26:03.219 --> 02:26:07.079
for a booster a while later. It helped a lot.

02:26:07.219 --> 02:26:09.239
It really stopped all the pain. I've heard nothing,

02:26:09.420 --> 02:26:12.219
but I hadn't heard any bad for sure. What's going

02:26:12.219 --> 02:26:15.219
on with your knees? Arthritis. Arthritis, yeah.

02:26:15.860 --> 02:26:20.959
I think, once again, going back to my hips and

02:26:20.959 --> 02:26:24.360
throwing my gait off, my walk off. Well, it's

02:26:24.360 --> 02:26:25.959
just also the weight, you know, carrying that

02:26:25.959 --> 02:26:28.920
much weight around for anybody with your cartilage

02:26:28.920 --> 02:26:31.159
and your meniscus and the kind of shit you're

02:26:31.159 --> 02:26:34.280
doing. So these crazy explosive movements and,

02:26:34.299 --> 02:26:36.780
you know. When I was getting ready, I was getting

02:26:36.780 --> 02:26:44.020
ready three or four years ago. I did a, I was

02:26:44.020 --> 02:26:45.959
training, I was training over here for that too.

02:26:48.079 --> 02:26:53.170
Way too old, but did a 40, 42 inch. Box jump.

02:26:53.229 --> 02:26:58.290
Box jump. And then did a 500 -pound pull, which

02:26:58.290 --> 02:27:01.889
I was like, fuck, I couldn't believe it. I was

02:27:01.889 --> 02:27:05.010
like, I didn't even know, one, I could get down

02:27:05.010 --> 02:27:09.709
that low, you know, to even get to deadlift.

02:27:10.530 --> 02:27:15.270
But it started, you know, then I started looking

02:27:15.270 --> 02:27:17.729
back through some of the footage of the training.

02:27:17.870 --> 02:27:21.229
Like, it started with me doing step -ups. Hmm.

02:27:22.079 --> 02:27:25.459
I mean, that was where I started my program at,

02:27:25.559 --> 02:27:29.600
just doing step -ups on a bench to end up. 42

02:27:29.600 --> 02:27:31.379
-inch box job. Yeah. That's impressive. At 50

02:27:31.379 --> 02:27:34.879
-plus, yeah. That's impressive. Yeah. I couldn't

02:27:34.879 --> 02:27:39.680
do it now. But deadlifting, you know Robert Oberst?

02:27:39.719 --> 02:27:42.299
He's a strong man. He doesn't even believe in

02:27:42.299 --> 02:27:43.959
deadlifts. He's like, you shouldn't do deadlifts.

02:27:44.299 --> 02:27:47.959
It's very controversial for him to say. Some

02:27:47.959 --> 02:27:51.899
people disagree. It's one of those things. You

02:27:51.899 --> 02:27:55.860
can fuck your back up. Easily. Especially if

02:27:55.860 --> 02:27:58.100
you're doing heavy weights. With poor technique.

02:27:58.479 --> 02:28:03.940
It's real easy to do. I don't have any reason

02:28:03.940 --> 02:28:06.739
at this point to try a 500 -pound deadlift. I've

02:28:06.739 --> 02:28:10.840
got nothing left to prove. I've got one. I got

02:28:10.840 --> 02:28:13.260
one on film, bro. I'm good, man. We got to boost

02:28:13.260 --> 02:28:15.579
Tony up to that. That's it. I've been telling

02:28:15.579 --> 02:28:17.780
you, if you want to get bigger, you got to lift

02:28:17.780 --> 02:28:20.620
heavy things. Squats and deadlifts. You got to

02:28:20.620 --> 02:28:23.040
tell your body that something's wrong. Something's

02:28:23.040 --> 02:28:25.200
horribly wrong, and you have to lift heavy things

02:28:25.200 --> 02:28:29.100
now forever. Yeah. I was going. I was going to

02:28:29.100 --> 02:28:30.899
the gym, and then my neck got messed up like

02:28:30.899 --> 02:28:35.860
a month ago. We need a fucking Goggins hotline.

02:28:37.060 --> 02:28:40.059
He just saw Goggins pull a quart of fucking fluid

02:28:40.059 --> 02:28:42.420
out of his knee. And you're like, my neck's kind

02:28:42.420 --> 02:28:46.319
of bothering me. I can't really do squats. I

02:28:46.319 --> 02:28:48.799
was really getting into it, but now it's just

02:28:48.799 --> 02:28:52.579
uncomfortable, so I'm just going to sleep. Sleep

02:28:52.579 --> 02:29:00.500
it off. Do you still follow WWE now? Yeah, because

02:29:00.500 --> 02:29:02.459
I think once things kind of start to lighten

02:29:02.459 --> 02:29:05.620
up, hopefully. Can you enjoy it as a fan, or

02:29:05.620 --> 02:29:13.420
are you too close to it? I try. It's tough right

02:29:13.420 --> 02:29:18.079
now for me because the product has changed so

02:29:18.079 --> 02:29:24.899
much, and it's kind of soft. Are you going to

02:29:24.899 --> 02:29:28.459
get in trouble for saying that? Probably. I'll

02:29:28.459 --> 02:29:29.940
probably piss a lot of people off, but they need

02:29:29.940 --> 02:29:35.690
to hear it. It is what it is. But to the young

02:29:35.690 --> 02:29:39.170
guys, he's a bitter old guy. I'm not bitter.

02:29:39.309 --> 02:29:42.649
I did my time. I'm good. I walked away when I

02:29:42.649 --> 02:29:44.270
wanted to walk away. I just think the product

02:29:44.270 --> 02:29:50.530
is a little soft. There's guys here and there

02:29:50.530 --> 02:29:55.690
that have an edge to them, but there's too much

02:29:55.690 --> 02:29:57.670
pretty, not enough substance, I think, right

02:29:57.670 --> 02:30:00.989
now. 100%. You agree? Yeah. What bothers you?

02:30:01.959 --> 02:30:04.159
And I think they're, you know, I think they're

02:30:04.159 --> 02:30:07.020
playing for, you know, a billion dollar market.

02:30:07.059 --> 02:30:09.459
They want the kids. They want the kids merchandise

02:30:09.459 --> 02:30:12.620
to sell. You know, the parents will buy stuff

02:30:12.620 --> 02:30:14.739
for the kids. The new T -shirts come out. But

02:30:14.739 --> 02:30:17.959
really, it was, you know, I think that the peak

02:30:17.959 --> 02:30:21.200
of everything was, you know, the Attitude Era,

02:30:21.360 --> 02:30:25.340
right? Ninety nine, early 2000s and all the you're

02:30:25.340 --> 02:30:27.340
you're learning thing. Like it's like you're

02:30:27.340 --> 02:30:30.770
becoming instead of. playing to kids to be like,

02:30:30.850 --> 02:30:33.290
Hey, look at this silly character. You're a kid.

02:30:33.329 --> 02:30:36.530
You'll enjoy this. The kids like me, you know,

02:30:36.530 --> 02:30:38.750
in grade school and high school, we're watching

02:30:38.750 --> 02:30:43.030
because it was wrong. It was like, Oh my God,

02:30:43.090 --> 02:30:46.430
you know, it's darker. It's a crazy sexual, like

02:30:46.430 --> 02:30:49.690
the stuff DX used to do. You learned, you just,

02:30:49.709 --> 02:30:52.129
they would just make fun of each other harsher.

02:30:52.209 --> 02:30:54.469
It was, there was the shit talking was harder.

02:30:54.629 --> 02:30:58.040
The. The storylines were tougher. Now it's more

02:30:58.040 --> 02:31:02.079
of a big brand for a big network. They don't

02:31:02.079 --> 02:31:07.719
have that edge that it used to have. It's always

02:31:07.719 --> 02:31:11.739
been this way. They're trying to put something

02:31:11.739 --> 02:31:18.840
out for everybody. Some guys are into the comedy

02:31:18.840 --> 02:31:20.840
shit. Then there's other guys that want to see

02:31:20.840 --> 02:31:25.469
the more hardcore type. I think one of the big

02:31:25.469 --> 02:31:31.610
things that happened is that the generation before,

02:31:31.770 --> 02:31:37.030
we all got old at the same time. And so there

02:31:37.030 --> 02:31:40.950
weren't enough guys to work with the young guys.

02:31:41.530 --> 02:31:44.790
I mean, we can sit and talk and I can give you

02:31:44.790 --> 02:31:47.850
my theories on what you should do or you should

02:31:47.850 --> 02:31:51.389
do this or maybe you should try this. But until

02:31:51.389 --> 02:31:53.569
you actually can get in the ring and actually

02:31:53.569 --> 02:31:57.229
do it, it doesn't really translate a lot of times.

02:31:57.709 --> 02:32:00.809
And then you also have too many people that,

02:32:00.850 --> 02:32:04.010
well, they're on the internet. These guys on

02:32:04.010 --> 02:32:06.149
the internet say, I'm pretty fucking good, you

02:32:06.149 --> 02:32:11.270
know? Okay, well, you can listen to them or you

02:32:11.270 --> 02:32:13.329
can listen to somebody who's been there and done

02:32:13.329 --> 02:32:19.469
it, you know? So I think there needed to... You

02:32:19.469 --> 02:32:22.049
can't help it, but there was just not enough

02:32:22.049 --> 02:32:25.809
merging of the young and the new talent. Like

02:32:25.809 --> 02:32:29.370
when we had Stone Cold and Rock and Triple H,

02:32:29.450 --> 02:32:31.690
Sean, all these guys, you know, we were all working

02:32:31.690 --> 02:32:33.709
together. And everybody, we were making money

02:32:33.709 --> 02:32:36.909
and we were drawing. And then we all just kind

02:32:36.909 --> 02:32:39.329
of, we aged out. You know, I mean, I hung in

02:32:39.329 --> 02:32:42.190
there for a long time, but we kind of aged out.

02:32:42.309 --> 02:32:45.610
And then it just left all these young guys to

02:32:45.610 --> 02:32:48.350
learn with more young guys. And the product.

02:32:48.750 --> 02:32:57.129
The product changed. The PC, the training center

02:32:57.129 --> 02:33:01.510
is helping. We got Triple H, a great wrestler.

02:33:01.729 --> 02:33:04.510
He heads that whole thing. And he's trying to

02:33:04.510 --> 02:33:06.329
get some of the toothpaste back in the tube.

02:33:06.989 --> 02:33:11.469
Trying to move it back to kind of a... take a

02:33:11.469 --> 02:33:14.149
step back to move forward to give the product

02:33:14.149 --> 02:33:16.489
a little more edge. And I think that's what it's

02:33:16.489 --> 02:33:18.969
missing. What is CM Punk doing? Is he wrestling

02:33:18.969 --> 02:33:23.409
again? No. No, I don't think so. I don't think

02:33:23.409 --> 02:33:26.530
he went to AEW or anything now. I don't think

02:33:26.530 --> 02:33:30.829
so. Yeah. So when he had his last fight, he just...

02:33:30.829 --> 02:33:37.750
I've seen him a couple of times on one of Fox's

02:33:37.750 --> 02:33:40.750
shows. Yeah, they had him on a few times. I think

02:33:40.750 --> 02:33:43.209
they stopped doing that show. They had him doing

02:33:43.209 --> 02:33:45.090
a little like, here's what's happening this week

02:33:45.090 --> 02:33:49.370
in WWE on Fox. And it was on Fox One or Fox Sports

02:33:49.370 --> 02:33:52.569
One or whatever. But then that was it. I think

02:33:52.569 --> 02:33:54.709
they canceled that show. God, that was a crazy

02:33:54.709 --> 02:34:00.270
gamble for him to fight. Yeah. I'm not real close

02:34:00.270 --> 02:34:03.690
with him. We got along. I didn't understand it.

02:34:04.450 --> 02:34:09.920
I know he had an issue with the company. And

02:34:09.920 --> 02:34:12.200
sometimes, you know, people just want to, you

02:34:12.200 --> 02:34:14.739
know, they need a new challenge. But, I mean,

02:34:14.739 --> 02:34:17.399
he was a top dude. He was, you know, he was a

02:34:17.399 --> 02:34:21.780
top guy for the company. Sometimes, you know,

02:34:21.780 --> 02:34:23.940
like I said, I don't know enough because I wasn't

02:34:23.940 --> 02:34:29.239
around enough at that time. But, you know, I

02:34:29.239 --> 02:34:33.100
don't know that he had enough background. It

02:34:33.100 --> 02:34:35.610
was kind of late in the game. I think, for him

02:34:35.610 --> 02:34:38.209
to make that transition. Yeah. You know, it was

02:34:38.209 --> 02:34:40.149
easier for Brock. Brock had that really strong

02:34:40.149 --> 02:34:43.290
wrestling pedigree. Brock's also a crazy athlete.

02:34:43.389 --> 02:34:45.329
He's a freak athlete. Just crazy. I mean, you

02:34:45.329 --> 02:34:48.170
see his combine numbers? Oh, my God. It's ridiculous.

02:34:48.329 --> 02:34:51.489
Bananas. Yeah. I mean, he's one of those guys

02:34:51.489 --> 02:34:55.610
that defy, you know, I mean, he was 260 pounds,

02:34:55.729 --> 02:34:59.209
but, you know, his shot was like a 160. I mean,

02:34:59.250 --> 02:35:02.540
it was just. You can't believe somebody his size

02:35:02.540 --> 02:35:04.920
can move the way he can move. No, he was a freak.

02:35:05.000 --> 02:35:06.819
He was a freak athlete. You know, I used to call

02:35:06.819 --> 02:35:10.040
him the vanilla gorilla. Yeah. I mean, and he

02:35:10.040 --> 02:35:14.260
was, he was just a freak, freak dude. And so,

02:35:14.360 --> 02:35:17.500
you know, I just don't, you know, punk, you know,

02:35:17.500 --> 02:35:20.489
I don't know. I mean. If he just wanted the challenge,

02:35:20.610 --> 02:35:22.450
I mean, good for him. I mean, he tested it. I

02:35:22.450 --> 02:35:23.950
think that's what it was, you know. I mean, he

02:35:23.950 --> 02:35:26.950
had one. He fought Mickey Gall, and it didn't.

02:35:28.149 --> 02:35:31.569
Mickey's a good fighter and up -and -coming guy,

02:35:31.629 --> 02:35:35.649
too. And then he fought Michael Jackson, another

02:35:35.649 --> 02:35:40.469
guy afterwards, who was like a pretty solid striker.

02:35:40.880 --> 02:35:43.360
Yeah. So you got kind of a tough draw. Yeah.

02:35:43.559 --> 02:35:45.280
The Michael Jackson fight, I'm telling you, that

02:35:45.280 --> 02:35:47.979
was like as easy a fight. No, I want to say easy

02:35:47.979 --> 02:35:50.780
a fight. But that was commensurate to someone

02:35:50.780 --> 02:35:55.319
who is 0 -1. Like, I mean, and Michael's much

02:35:55.319 --> 02:35:59.760
more, like, much more experienced. But he wasn't

02:35:59.760 --> 02:36:02.819
terrifying. Right. Like, he didn't put him in

02:36:02.819 --> 02:36:04.280
there with some guy who's going to kick his head

02:36:04.280 --> 02:36:08.250
off into the fifth row. Right. It was a good

02:36:08.250 --> 02:36:12.450
fight for him, but not really. The guy's good.

02:36:13.629 --> 02:36:18.049
I don't know what CM Punk's ultimate motivation

02:36:18.049 --> 02:36:20.430
and goal was, but I think he wanted to test himself.

02:36:20.829 --> 02:36:22.950
I think they paid him a lot of money. I'm sure

02:36:22.950 --> 02:36:26.110
he did good buy numbers, I bet. I'm sure. I'm

02:36:26.110 --> 02:36:27.389
sure he got a piece of the pay -per -view or

02:36:27.389 --> 02:36:32.989
a really good deal. I feel like if somebody wants

02:36:32.989 --> 02:36:34.610
to do something like that, if you really want

02:36:34.610 --> 02:36:38.079
to do it, what you should do is... start as an

02:36:38.079 --> 02:36:41.600
amateur. I don't know if he has the time because

02:36:41.600 --> 02:36:44.280
I believe he's deep in his 30s by the time he

02:36:44.280 --> 02:36:45.959
had his first fight. Yeah, absolutely. That's

02:36:45.959 --> 02:36:49.139
what I'm saying. It was late in the game. But

02:36:49.139 --> 02:36:53.219
if he wanted to do it, the right way is not just

02:36:53.219 --> 02:36:56.260
jump into the UFC. The right way is you do some

02:36:56.260 --> 02:37:00.020
amateur fights, maybe a Muay Thai smoker to really

02:37:00.020 --> 02:37:04.219
learn how to do it. Long fucking time. Long fucking

02:37:04.219 --> 02:37:06.879
time to get real legitimate martial arts skills.

02:37:07.260 --> 02:37:13.559
Anything. It takes a long time to be relevant

02:37:13.559 --> 02:37:15.879
with WWE. Anything you want to do and want to

02:37:15.879 --> 02:37:19.520
be good at, you don't do it in a couple years.

02:37:19.899 --> 02:37:21.659
You've got to take your lumps and you've got

02:37:21.659 --> 02:37:23.860
to learn your craft. It is interesting how few

02:37:23.860 --> 02:37:26.860
guys have jumped into the water, though, of actually

02:37:26.860 --> 02:37:32.319
having a real MMA fight. Yeah. Wow. I think now

02:37:32.319 --> 02:37:37.620
it's so specialized now. Now everybody's so good

02:37:37.620 --> 02:37:41.059
at jiu -jitsu, and everybody can stand up as

02:37:41.059 --> 02:37:43.739
good. Everybody can wrestle. Not like in the

02:37:43.739 --> 02:37:46.520
early days where everybody had their specialty.

02:37:46.739 --> 02:37:50.579
You had your stand -up guys, and then Gracie

02:37:50.579 --> 02:37:52.719
came along and fucked everything up. What happened

02:37:52.719 --> 02:37:54.579
with Cain Velasquez? Cain Velasquez was working

02:37:54.579 --> 02:37:56.899
for the company for a little while. You know

02:37:56.899 --> 02:37:59.159
what? I saw him one day at the Performance Center.

02:37:59.239 --> 02:38:01.329
I was there working. I think I was getting ready

02:38:01.329 --> 02:38:03.649
for Mania. He had a match with Brock Lesnar.

02:38:03.850 --> 02:38:06.610
Yeah, and I thought, okay. They messed that one

02:38:06.610 --> 02:38:10.790
up on the creative side, is my big guess here.

02:38:10.909 --> 02:38:14.309
I mean, they had one sort of match, right? Him

02:38:14.309 --> 02:38:16.549
and Brock, sort of. And then they did this weird

02:38:16.549 --> 02:38:18.770
MMA thing where they tried to make the second

02:38:18.770 --> 02:38:22.510
one like MMA, and it was just a debacle. Was

02:38:22.510 --> 02:38:25.590
it? Yeah, it was really one of the saddest things

02:38:25.590 --> 02:38:27.290
I've ever seen. Because they tried to make it

02:38:27.290 --> 02:38:30.700
like... They were doing MMA in the wrestling

02:38:30.700 --> 02:38:33.520
ring. It just didn't make sense. I mean, even,

02:38:33.680 --> 02:38:36.899
you know, unless you go, you know, unless you

02:38:36.899 --> 02:38:39.819
go half shoot or full shoot, it's just hard to.

02:38:40.420 --> 02:38:42.180
People don't know what you're saying. Shoot,

02:38:42.399 --> 02:38:44.639
for folks who don't know, means a real fight.

02:38:44.879 --> 02:38:48.379
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Old school wrestler's terms.

02:38:48.620 --> 02:38:52.040
I'm old school. That's all I got. What's crazy

02:38:52.040 --> 02:38:55.000
is Kane is a big fan of pro wrestling and he's

02:38:55.000 --> 02:38:57.299
got moves. There's a video of him. You see the

02:38:57.299 --> 02:38:59.500
way he does that flying scissors? Catches a guy

02:38:59.500 --> 02:39:01.659
and wraps his legs around his head and then flips

02:39:01.659 --> 02:39:03.840
him. And that's exactly what they should have

02:39:03.840 --> 02:39:05.239
done with him and Brock. They should have had

02:39:05.239 --> 02:39:07.940
him learn a few cool moves like that. Protect

02:39:07.940 --> 02:39:10.700
him and then let him come along. It's funny.

02:39:10.799 --> 02:39:13.610
I remember going to a fight. It was in Vegas,

02:39:13.729 --> 02:39:16.989
and I run into Matt Hughes and his brother. They

02:39:16.989 --> 02:39:20.090
were huge wrestling fans, and they started showing

02:39:20.090 --> 02:39:26.129
me their moves. Matt was putting a body scissor

02:39:26.129 --> 02:39:31.149
on his brother. It's standing, right? They were

02:39:31.149 --> 02:39:32.629
just like, what do you think about this? What

02:39:32.629 --> 02:39:34.690
about this? I was like, yeah, it's pretty good.

02:39:34.750 --> 02:39:38.479
You've got to fight. You've got to fight in about

02:39:38.479 --> 02:39:40.899
an hour. You're worried about – He's trying out

02:39:40.899 --> 02:39:43.319
pro wrestling dudes. It wasn't my opinion on

02:39:43.319 --> 02:39:45.260
him. That's hilarious. Yeah, it was funny, but

02:39:45.260 --> 02:39:50.579
those were good dudes. I remember Pat Milich,

02:39:50.579 --> 02:39:53.520
he used to invite me out to his place all the

02:39:53.520 --> 02:39:56.600
time. But that's when I was on the road all the

02:39:56.600 --> 02:39:59.819
time. But all those guys, Tim Sylvia, all those

02:39:59.819 --> 02:40:02.479
guys are big wrestling fans. Huge, yeah. Yeah.

02:40:02.989 --> 02:40:04.649
Well, listen, Mark, thank you very much for being

02:40:04.649 --> 02:40:06.209
here, man. I really appreciate it. Thanks for

02:40:06.209 --> 02:40:07.909
having me, man. I've had a good time. Thank you,

02:40:07.909 --> 02:40:10.790
Tony. Dean, thank you, guys. You're the boss.

02:40:10.969 --> 02:40:13.649
You're the gap, brother. Well, if there's ever

02:40:13.649 --> 02:40:15.850
a pro wrestling person on, I have to have Tony.

02:40:15.989 --> 02:40:18.069
I was just hearing it lessen the testosterone

02:40:18.069 --> 02:40:20.629
in the room a little bit. Lessen it a little

02:40:20.629 --> 02:40:23.649
bit? Needed to add some, what's it called? Estrogen.

02:40:23.950 --> 02:40:27.430
Let me extend it. So we just announced for the

02:40:27.430 --> 02:40:29.590
next three years where our manias are at, right?

02:40:29.729 --> 02:40:31.920
Okay. So this year is it? It's going to be in

02:40:31.920 --> 02:40:35.100
Raymond James. Next year, 22 is going to be in

02:40:35.100 --> 02:40:37.780
Texas stadium again. Where's Raymond James? That's

02:40:37.780 --> 02:40:40.520
in Tampa. Okay. That's going to be 21, but in

02:40:40.520 --> 02:40:43.739
22, it's going to be in Dallas at Texas stadium.

02:40:45.399 --> 02:40:48.379
You should come. I know you're not a, I know

02:40:48.379 --> 02:40:51.420
you're not a wrestling fan. I know, but I'll

02:40:51.420 --> 02:40:54.379
take acid and go. How about that? I guarantee

02:40:54.379 --> 02:40:57.620
you. I guarantee you'll have a good time. I would

02:40:57.620 --> 02:41:00.319
go if I'm home, if I'm around. I just never know

02:41:00.319 --> 02:41:03.540
where I'm at, especially in 2022. I hope in 2022

02:41:03.540 --> 02:41:06.879
you actually have real audiences. Isn't that

02:41:06.879 --> 02:41:09.799
weird? I would have imagined we would have real

02:41:09.799 --> 02:41:12.760
audiences by now. You kind of can still in Tampa.

02:41:12.879 --> 02:41:15.280
Is that why in April it's in Tampa? I think so.

02:41:15.379 --> 02:41:17.639
They just announced these yesterday. So we got

02:41:17.639 --> 02:41:20.670
the Royal Rumble coming up. In two weeks, that

02:41:20.670 --> 02:41:23.549
kind of sets off WrestleMania season. But I promise

02:41:23.549 --> 02:41:26.110
you, fan or not a fan, you will have a good time.

02:41:26.170 --> 02:41:28.030
I'm sure. I've been telling him this for years.

02:41:28.129 --> 02:41:30.709
Hopefully you get it through to him. Can you

02:41:30.709 --> 02:41:34.649
pull up a live shot of Texas Stadium? Just to

02:41:34.649 --> 02:41:36.889
give you a feel. That's the one in Dallas, right?

02:41:37.010 --> 02:41:38.950
Yeah, that's where the Cowboys play. They wanted

02:41:38.950 --> 02:41:41.729
to do a UFC fight there. That's where Conor wanted

02:41:41.729 --> 02:41:45.520
to fight. I think he wanted to fight Khabib there.

02:41:45.719 --> 02:41:47.719
Oh, that would have been awesome. Yeah, I think

02:41:47.719 --> 02:41:50.159
he was trying. They wanted to do a UFC fight

02:41:50.159 --> 02:41:52.719
there, which is just fucking bananas. Oh, my

02:41:52.719 --> 02:41:56.680
God, that is so crazy. Hundred and... Jesus Christ.

02:41:56.700 --> 02:42:01.479
5 ,000 people. That's so many people. Look at

02:42:01.479 --> 02:42:05.319
the size of that crowd. Oh, my God. How big is

02:42:05.319 --> 02:42:09.209
fucking WrestleMania? That's crazy. Huge. That

02:42:09.209 --> 02:42:11.549
is crazy. When you look at how many people there

02:42:11.549 --> 02:42:14.489
for that. What a successful fucking event. They

02:42:14.489 --> 02:42:18.870
come from 25 different countries. Just people

02:42:18.870 --> 02:42:20.870
all over the world. That's the big one. That's

02:42:20.870 --> 02:42:24.030
the big event. This is our Super Bowl. Wow. Yeah.

02:42:24.209 --> 02:42:26.270
That's amazing. I was supposed to go to my first

02:42:26.270 --> 02:42:30.049
one this year. I still have the ticket. Never

02:42:30.049 --> 02:42:33.129
got to use it for Tampa Bay. I was going to go

02:42:33.129 --> 02:42:36.270
in April. I was going to do shows in... Florida

02:42:36.270 --> 02:42:38.989
and then have the Sunday off. I had it all planned

02:42:38.989 --> 02:42:43.149
out. I tell you. We're alive. We're alive. We

02:42:43.149 --> 02:42:46.889
can keep going. Yep. Well, thank you. Thank you,

02:42:46.909 --> 02:42:48.370
Mark. Thank you very much, man. Thanks for having

02:42:48.370 --> 02:42:50.129
me, man. My pleasure. Thank you, Tony. Thank

02:42:50.129 --> 02:42:52.409
you, Young Jamie. Always. Thank you, everybody.

02:42:52.530 --> 02:42:53.569
Goodbye. Thank you.