WEBVTT 00:00:01.610 --> 00:00:04.730 "Welcome to this curated educational transcript of the Joe Rogan Experience. In this session, we provide a deep-dive examination of the critical perspectives and historical dialogues presented in Episode #2455. Our mission is to offer a high-fidelity, searchable research resource for students of cultural history, emerging technology, and global discourse. This transcript has been specifically optimized for academic reference, linguistic study, and archival preservation regarding Contemporary Stand-up Comedy, Social Media Influence on Entertainment, and the Evolution of Sketch Comedy Legacies." Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan 00:00:04.730 --> 00:00:08.130 Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by 00:00:08.130 --> 00:00:14.250 night, all day. Really? Red meat? It's unfortunate. 00:00:14.669 --> 00:00:19.170 In any form? You know, like, I know it's weird. 00:00:19.269 --> 00:00:23.269 If I eat a burger, it's different if I eat a 00:00:23.269 --> 00:00:25.969 steak. Steak is a problem? Yeah, I don't know 00:00:25.969 --> 00:00:28.350 if my digestive system, just like you two old 00:00:28.350 --> 00:00:32.329 fucking... How old is this down? I'm 58. I'm 00:00:32.329 --> 00:00:35.350 58, too. I eat mostly meat. I don't think it's 00:00:35.350 --> 00:00:38.929 age. What is it then? Well, what are you eating 00:00:38.929 --> 00:00:45.229 it with? Tito's. We rolling? Tito's. Tito's vodka? 00:00:45.810 --> 00:00:50.369 It can't be that, right? No. I'm eating a steak 00:00:50.369 --> 00:00:52.649 and I wash it down. You just eat a steak with 00:00:52.649 --> 00:00:55.009 Tito's? And I wash it down with Tito's and tonic 00:00:55.009 --> 00:00:57.710 because it resembles H2O so much. Sometimes I 00:00:57.710 --> 00:01:01.750 get thrown off until I do it. What? Tito's and 00:01:01.750 --> 00:01:04.709 tonic resembles water? The look of it. The look 00:01:04.709 --> 00:01:06.650 of it. It's clear. That's all that matters to 00:01:06.650 --> 00:01:10.790 you? Yeah. I know at some point I need to change 00:01:10.790 --> 00:01:14.549 my life. I'm at the age now that it's like I 00:01:14.549 --> 00:01:16.989 look at certain food and I'm like, oh, my God, 00:01:17.049 --> 00:01:18.590 it looks good, but, you know, you can't handle 00:01:18.590 --> 00:01:21.299 that. I think this is when I really. Really need 00:01:21.299 --> 00:01:24.299 to be in love because I need to be with somebody 00:01:24.299 --> 00:01:26.359 that understands when I go places and when I 00:01:26.359 --> 00:01:28.439 want to pig out, they got to be like, he can't 00:01:28.439 --> 00:01:31.480 eat that. Oh, right. He's going to sit up. He's 00:01:31.480 --> 00:01:34.609 going to be thrown up. Female handler. A female 00:01:34.609 --> 00:01:38.870 handler. They call it geriatric. Like, this is 00:01:38.870 --> 00:01:41.670 what I hear. This is what the streets are saying. 00:01:42.010 --> 00:01:45.549 Most men get to an age, it's a geriatric shit. 00:01:45.609 --> 00:01:47.689 When you just smash all the women you want to 00:01:47.689 --> 00:01:49.650 do and everything, now you're going to have to 00:01:49.650 --> 00:01:51.290 worry about somebody helping you with your pill 00:01:51.290 --> 00:01:53.810 diet, helping you with your dietary needs and 00:01:53.810 --> 00:01:55.409 everything. And they say that's a lot of times 00:01:55.409 --> 00:01:57.129 when men fall in love, when they need somebody 00:01:57.129 --> 00:01:59.689 to take them to the golden years. Or when you're 00:01:59.689 --> 00:02:01.269 about to be out of here, you need somebody to 00:02:01.269 --> 00:02:03.450 say, don't do that. You got to match. It's just 00:02:03.450 --> 00:02:05.469 food. You got to chop it up. But I'm having digestive 00:02:05.469 --> 00:02:09.030 issues sometimes. With steak, huh? It's red meat, 00:02:09.069 --> 00:02:12.310 I want to say. And I'm a fan of it. So if you 00:02:12.310 --> 00:02:15.050 eat like a bowl of pasta with the Tito's, no 00:02:15.050 --> 00:02:18.710 problem? That's not a problem. Interesting. But 00:02:18.710 --> 00:02:20.550 it's definitely red meat. Red meat, I'm not sleeping. 00:02:20.689 --> 00:02:22.810 You should go to one of those doctors that checks 00:02:22.810 --> 00:02:27.229 people for allergies. Food doctor? Yeah. I don't 00:02:27.229 --> 00:02:31.490 want one of them. I mean, I had to date a Haitian 00:02:31.490 --> 00:02:34.400 chick. They interview to really, really bad. 00:02:34.439 --> 00:02:36.400 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. They stab you with pillows 00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:40.479 and shit. You might have pain in your neck. Is 00:02:40.479 --> 00:02:42.479 there any particular reason, Joe, and I haven't 00:02:42.479 --> 00:02:44.560 been here in a while. Is there any particular 00:02:44.560 --> 00:02:47.539 reason why I am doing your show during Black 00:02:47.539 --> 00:02:52.599 History Month? No. You asked to come on. You 00:02:52.599 --> 00:02:54.960 reached out to me. I reached out to you. You 00:02:54.960 --> 00:02:56.740 could have reached out to me in July. I would 00:02:56.740 --> 00:02:59.020 have said yes. You got an open invitation. You 00:02:59.020 --> 00:03:00.919 know that. I have an open invitation, but this 00:03:00.919 --> 00:03:03.550 is when. I don't know. I said, can I come through? 00:03:03.569 --> 00:03:05.129 You said, this is what you told me. You said, 00:03:05.169 --> 00:03:08.270 I have a guest. And then you called back. I don't 00:03:08.270 --> 00:03:10.189 know if Jamie said, you know what month this 00:03:10.189 --> 00:03:12.750 is, right? I don't know if he answered. And you 00:03:12.750 --> 00:03:14.849 called me right back. I moved somebody. I moved 00:03:14.849 --> 00:03:16.509 somebody for you because I knew you were coming 00:03:16.509 --> 00:03:18.629 here on a Monday. I had someone booked. Was it 00:03:18.629 --> 00:03:20.889 a Caucasian person? I don't know. I don't remember. 00:03:21.370 --> 00:03:24.310 You know it was a white man or a black man. No, 00:03:24.310 --> 00:03:26.250 you know what? Did I bump a white person for 00:03:26.250 --> 00:03:27.689 black? Actually, it might have been Michael Jai 00:03:27.689 --> 00:03:30.629 White because he's here tomorrow. Yeah. So it 00:03:30.629 --> 00:03:32.770 was probably Michael. I just probably moved him 00:03:32.770 --> 00:03:34.889 a day. But I appreciate you being accommodating, 00:03:34.909 --> 00:03:36.550 because I felt like it was time for me to come 00:03:36.550 --> 00:03:38.030 back. I haven't been here a while. You can come 00:03:38.030 --> 00:03:39.750 on any time. I really appreciate that. Whenever 00:03:39.750 --> 00:03:41.729 you're in town. I hold that to be true. Come 00:03:41.729 --> 00:03:43.050 on. I know that's true, too. You know I love 00:03:43.050 --> 00:03:45.550 you. Yeah. I want some of that gum, too, man. 00:03:45.689 --> 00:03:47.289 I'm sorry. The NeuroGum? Do we have any, Jamie? 00:03:47.449 --> 00:03:49.750 I have some. Yeah, that stuff's the shoot. I 00:03:49.750 --> 00:03:51.590 know. Whenever you say something, it's the shit. 00:03:51.610 --> 00:03:53.469 It's the shit. Yeah. Well, what can I do about 00:03:53.469 --> 00:03:55.460 my diet? I can't do anything about my diet. All 00:03:55.460 --> 00:03:58.039 right. Whoops. I hit the mic. Yeah, you can. 00:03:58.439 --> 00:04:02.139 You just, you know, you should go to a doctor 00:04:02.139 --> 00:04:04.080 and find out if there's like there might be something 00:04:04.080 --> 00:04:07.560 particularly about you that red meat doesn't 00:04:07.560 --> 00:04:09.759 agree with you. But it might just be what you're 00:04:09.759 --> 00:04:11.879 eating with the red meat more than the red meat 00:04:11.879 --> 00:04:14.560 itself. You know, that's what I would imagine. 00:04:15.259 --> 00:04:17.899 I would imagine it's not actually red meat. I 00:04:17.899 --> 00:04:20.240 would imagine it's what you're eating with it. 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:24.350 Might be. And I'm going to check into it. Because 00:04:24.350 --> 00:04:27.110 as they say in the streets, I'm of that big age 00:04:27.110 --> 00:04:28.850 when you have to be considerate of a whole bunch 00:04:28.850 --> 00:04:31.129 of things. So that's what I have to do. I have 00:04:31.129 --> 00:04:33.610 to do that. Do you exercise at all? A little 00:04:33.610 --> 00:04:35.430 bit. Usually doing sexual intercourse is when 00:04:35.430 --> 00:04:38.529 I get most of my cardio. Get your pushups in? 00:04:38.670 --> 00:04:44.029 Yeah. And it's not as strong. Damn, man. I don't 00:04:44.029 --> 00:04:46.290 know if this applies to everybody. You get to 00:04:46.290 --> 00:04:48.310 an age where you start looking at your history. 00:04:49.019 --> 00:04:51.439 And you're like, damn, 2000 was my best years. 00:04:51.839 --> 00:04:54.680 Like, right now, I'll just give up. You give 00:04:54.680 --> 00:04:57.579 up. I don't put no pressure. I give up. I start 00:04:57.579 --> 00:04:59.560 asking, like, what's your shoe size is or whatever. 00:04:59.620 --> 00:05:02.019 I'd rather go shopping than to really try to 00:05:02.019 --> 00:05:05.160 pound somebody out for three hours. I'm at that 00:05:05.160 --> 00:05:10.160 age now where I have, I call it certain times. 00:05:10.300 --> 00:05:12.379 Like, you're going to get a good workup. I probably 00:05:12.379 --> 00:05:14.639 shouldn't give you that gum. That gum's going 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:16.180 to be a real problem on the microphone. Is it? 00:05:17.269 --> 00:05:19.430 Okay. People are going to get annoyed with you. 00:05:19.689 --> 00:05:22.990 All right. I don't know what to do. Just chew 00:05:22.990 --> 00:05:24.889 it a little and spit it out. Okay. You'll get 00:05:24.889 --> 00:05:27.750 the effects of it pretty quickly anyway. I'm 00:05:27.750 --> 00:05:30.410 at the age where my best work is like holidays. 00:05:32.089 --> 00:05:35.629 Holidays. Like I'm an animal. Why don't you hire 00:05:35.629 --> 00:05:40.029 a trainer? You got some money. And what are the 00:05:40.029 --> 00:05:41.980 trainers going to do? Get you in shape. I think 00:05:41.980 --> 00:05:45.100 I need a therapist before I get a trainer. I 00:05:45.100 --> 00:05:46.899 mean, you got to take one step at a time. I got 00:05:46.899 --> 00:05:48.720 to get my mind right before I get my body right. 00:05:48.779 --> 00:05:50.819 Wouldn't you agree? No. Getting your body right 00:05:50.819 --> 00:05:53.040 will help get your mind right. I think that's 00:05:53.040 --> 00:05:56.500 some truth to that. I think that you may be right 00:05:56.500 --> 00:05:59.220 about that. Oh, 100%. Getting your body right 00:05:59.220 --> 00:06:01.439 fixes your mind, without a doubt. But I will 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:04.819 say I'm at my best. I'm at my peak when it's 00:06:04.819 --> 00:06:06.379 a holiday to celebrate. Because you're rested. 00:06:06.620 --> 00:06:09.639 I'm rested. It's more incentive. Like, if you 00:06:09.639 --> 00:06:13.209 want... Me to really smash a good time, consider 00:06:13.209 --> 00:06:19.550 it like Valentine's Day, Christmas, Kwanzaa. 00:06:19.569 --> 00:06:22.790 You can get seven good days. But to expect me 00:06:22.790 --> 00:06:25.850 to be at my best on just a regular Tuesday or 00:06:25.850 --> 00:06:28.110 a Wednesday is not going to happen. I need more 00:06:28.110 --> 00:06:29.709 incentive. Well, it's also drinking. You like 00:06:29.709 --> 00:06:32.310 to drink. Why would you say that? I know why 00:06:32.310 --> 00:06:33.970 you would say that. Come on. I've seen you. All 00:06:33.970 --> 00:06:36.040 right. I've been with you. I've drank with you. 00:06:36.139 --> 00:06:39.100 Okay, then that's a good point. All right. There's 00:06:39.100 --> 00:06:40.980 cigarettes. You was there. You brought a pack 00:06:40.980 --> 00:06:44.180 with you. Right? There's that. Those are not 00:06:44.180 --> 00:06:47.779 good. But you used to smoke. I saw one of your 00:06:47.779 --> 00:06:53.240 podcasts. I forget how you explained what made 00:06:53.240 --> 00:06:55.920 you not want to smoke anymore. What was that? 00:06:56.000 --> 00:06:59.819 Well, cigarettes are a cognitive enhancer. They 00:06:59.819 --> 00:07:03.000 are. It's a fact. Nicotine is a cognitive enhancer. 00:07:03.079 --> 00:07:05.939 There's no doubt about it. It's a fact. And it 00:07:05.939 --> 00:07:08.699 does things to your mind. It stimulates your 00:07:08.699 --> 00:07:11.040 mind in a way that very few other things do. 00:07:11.339 --> 00:07:14.560 That's why a lot of intellectuals, a lot of professors 00:07:14.560 --> 00:07:17.860 use nicotine. A lot of academics use nicotine. 00:07:18.079 --> 00:07:20.360 A lot of people that rely on their brain use 00:07:20.360 --> 00:07:23.000 it. A lot of writers use nicotine. And there's 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:24.660 different delivery methods that have different 00:07:24.660 --> 00:07:27.600 effects. Unfortunately, smoking has a very potent 00:07:27.600 --> 00:07:30.920 instantaneous effect. And that's why people like 00:07:30.920 --> 00:07:34.459 it. But it comes with a cost, the physical health. 00:07:35.069 --> 00:07:37.670 You know, repercussions of cigarettes are well 00:07:37.670 --> 00:07:40.209 known. Yeah. Not good. And also, you're smoking 00:07:40.209 --> 00:07:43.569 Marlboros. We had a doctor on the other day that 00:07:43.569 --> 00:07:47.870 thinks that regular cigarettes are not nearly, 00:07:48.050 --> 00:07:50.470 like American spirits, are not nearly as bad 00:07:50.470 --> 00:07:53.410 for you. I understand that they have some type 00:07:53.410 --> 00:07:56.310 of, the American spirits, I'm not even advocating 00:07:56.310 --> 00:08:00.009 for what you shouldn't smoke, but they say that's 00:08:00.009 --> 00:08:01.910 supposed to be the most natural if there's such 00:08:01.910 --> 00:08:04.339 a thing. It's just tobacco. I believe. Is that 00:08:04.339 --> 00:08:06.819 a fact? Nope. No? What's in there besides tobacco? 00:08:06.959 --> 00:08:09.180 I don't know. I've been trying. I don't know 00:08:09.180 --> 00:08:11.100 how this lawsuit ended up, but they got sued 00:08:11.100 --> 00:08:13.480 for the advertising of saying it's additive -free 00:08:13.480 --> 00:08:16.639 and all that. Oh, did they? Yeah. What are the 00:08:16.639 --> 00:08:18.879 additives? I've not decided. Well, let's look 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:20.879 into it. I've tried to look. I mean, there's 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:24.120 a big website about the lawsuit. What's the accusation? 00:08:24.999 --> 00:08:29.920 Here we go. Lawsuit questions natural claims. 00:08:30.240 --> 00:08:32.679 Natural American Spirit cigarettes are made by 00:08:32.679 --> 00:08:35.100 Santa Fe Natural Tobacco Company and parent company 00:08:35.100 --> 00:08:37.940 Reynolds America. RJ Reynolds, Dave, fuck with 00:08:37.940 --> 00:08:40.379 you. American Spirits has been sold in the U 00:08:40.379 --> 00:08:43.440 .S. since 1985 under the original name Original 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:48.139 American Spirit. Organic. Oh, you got us. You 00:08:48.139 --> 00:08:52.899 fucked. Unadulterated tobacco. Sue claims such 00:08:52.899 --> 00:08:54.960 marketing language has endeared American Spirit 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:56.879 cigarettes to a core group of smokers who believe 00:08:56.879 --> 00:08:58.620 that the natural tobacco in the cigarette makes 00:08:58.620 --> 00:09:01.419 them a healthier alternative. Despite cigarette 00:09:01.419 --> 00:09:05.299 sales declining 17 % between 2009 and 2014, American 00:09:05.299 --> 00:09:08.840 Spirit sales have increased 86 % over the same 00:09:08.840 --> 00:09:13.100 period. Huzzah. A regulatory filing on the Reynolds 00:09:13.100 --> 00:09:15.360 American website states American Spirit is the 00:09:15.360 --> 00:09:17.440 leading super premium cigarette brand that is 00:09:17.440 --> 00:09:19.879 a top 10 bestselling cigarette brand. It's priced 00:09:19.879 --> 00:09:21.639 higher than most other competitive brands and 00:09:21.639 --> 00:09:23.779 is differentiated from key competitors through 00:09:23.779 --> 00:09:25.919 its use of all natural additive free tobacco, 00:09:26.159 --> 00:09:30.120 including styles made with organic tobacco. But 00:09:30.120 --> 00:09:32.840 words like all natural and additive free on American 00:09:32.840 --> 00:09:35.740 Spirits labeling the suit says belies the fact 00:09:35.740 --> 00:09:40.029 that Santa Fe Reynolds adds ammonia. to their 00:09:40.029 --> 00:09:42.429 cigarettes to maximize the amount of nicotine 00:09:42.429 --> 00:09:44.769 a smoker receives with the result that American 00:09:44.769 --> 00:09:47.149 spirits contain significantly more free -based 00:09:47.149 --> 00:09:50.389 nicotine than other major cigarette brands. So 00:09:50.389 --> 00:09:52.190 you're actually getting high off of cigarettes? 00:09:52.629 --> 00:09:54.669 100%. I get high off of them because I don't 00:09:54.669 --> 00:09:57.809 smoke them all the time. So if I smoke a couple 00:09:57.809 --> 00:10:00.470 cigarettes a week, it's a lot. And Newport's 00:10:00.470 --> 00:10:03.590 probably like 10 times worse than menthol cigarettes, 00:10:03.669 --> 00:10:06.529 probably 10 times worse. for you a body. I was 00:10:06.529 --> 00:10:08.990 talking to Kat about that. Yeah, I was asking 00:10:08.990 --> 00:10:12.230 him like, why do you like menthols? And he's 00:10:12.230 --> 00:10:15.190 like, he was speaking on behalf of the black 00:10:15.190 --> 00:10:17.669 community. He said, we like things that are more 00:10:17.669 --> 00:10:21.529 potent. I believe that that's part of it, but 00:10:21.529 --> 00:10:23.450 I also believe that back in the day, and this 00:10:23.450 --> 00:10:24.690 applies, I don't know if I talked about this, 00:10:24.809 --> 00:10:27.789 it was certain brands that targeted certain communities 00:10:27.789 --> 00:10:30.549 just for the loyalty of it. And I think Newport 00:10:30.549 --> 00:10:32.509 was targeting, I don't know if it was a situation 00:10:32.509 --> 00:10:34.970 where Newport came out, they were spending more 00:10:34.970 --> 00:10:36.909 ad money, were advertising everything, because 00:10:36.909 --> 00:10:38.409 I don't know if I shared this story with you, 00:10:38.470 --> 00:10:42.129 but Pepsi was a company that did that, where 00:10:42.129 --> 00:10:44.750 they targeted the black community. So I think 00:10:44.750 --> 00:10:46.230 even though, I understand when you said more 00:10:46.230 --> 00:10:48.110 potent, but I think it was something that was... 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:50.539 in our community, whether that was like cheaper 00:10:50.539 --> 00:10:52.559 prices or whatever. And I think it's generation 00:10:52.559 --> 00:10:54.759 and generation. Like you need to do this because 00:10:54.759 --> 00:10:56.200 black people did this because it was cheaper. 00:10:56.279 --> 00:10:58.120 I think that that might be the case for Newport. 00:10:58.220 --> 00:11:01.539 Probably both. What is the menthol effect? What 00:11:01.539 --> 00:11:04.679 is the... What is the difference in the way menthol 00:11:04.679 --> 00:11:05.159 cigarettes work? I know when I smoke menthol, 00:11:05.179 --> 00:11:08.919 I sound like Cat Williams in that show. That's 00:11:08.919 --> 00:11:10.860 one of the reasons I had to downgrade to, like, 00:11:10.940 --> 00:11:13.200 some people think that I started smoking Marlboro 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:14.639 Lights because I started dating white women, 00:11:14.700 --> 00:11:17.799 which is more appealing. Unless you dated white 00:11:17.799 --> 00:11:19.639 women from the Midwest, then she probably smoking 00:11:19.639 --> 00:11:21.860 Newport and drinking Pepsis and Coca -Cola just 00:11:21.860 --> 00:11:25.299 like you. But I think that's why. But I got so 00:11:25.299 --> 00:11:32.110 many bad habits that... I need to change. Here 00:11:32.110 --> 00:11:34.889 we go. Our sponsor, our AI sponsor, Perplexity, 00:11:34.889 --> 00:11:36.850 says the menthol -affected cigarettes come from 00:11:36.850 --> 00:11:38.830 the chemical menthol itself, which is added as 00:11:38.830 --> 00:11:41.350 a flavoring and a sensory agent to the tobacco. 00:11:41.570 --> 00:11:43.629 Menthol is naturally found in peppermint and 00:11:43.629 --> 00:11:46.309 other mint plants. It can also be made synthetically 00:11:46.309 --> 00:11:49.149 in a lab. Menthol activates cold -sensitive nerve 00:11:49.149 --> 00:11:51.149 receptors in the mouth, throat, and airways, 00:11:51.250 --> 00:11:53.830 creating a cooling sensation when you inhale 00:11:53.830 --> 00:11:58.129 smoke. It's a mild anesthetic numbing effect 00:11:58.129 --> 00:12:01.080 that reduces pain and irritation. from hot, harsh 00:12:01.080 --> 00:12:04.100 cigarette smoke, making it feel smoother. Menthol 00:12:04.100 --> 00:12:06.820 can suppress the cough reflex and dull early 00:12:06.820 --> 00:12:11.759 warning signs of airway irritation, which make 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:14.340 it easier to inhale more deeply and more often. 00:12:14.759 --> 00:12:17.940 Menthol reduces the perceived harshness of nicotine 00:12:17.940 --> 00:12:21.500 and smoke. The minty taste and smell plus the 00:12:21.500 --> 00:12:24.879 cooling feel act as a pleasant sensory cues that 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:26.860 many smokers come to associate with satisfaction 00:12:26.860 --> 00:12:30.080 and craving. Menthol can alter nicotine metabolism 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:32.740 and the way nicotine acts on brain receptors, 00:12:32.879 --> 00:12:35.960 which may increase nicotine's reinforcing addictive 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:38.580 effects. In short, the menthol effect is not 00:12:38.580 --> 00:12:41.320 from nicotine but from added menthol, which cools 00:12:41.320 --> 00:12:44.669 and numbs the airways, masks irritation. and 00:12:44.669 --> 00:12:47.070 can make cigarettes feel smoother and more addictive 00:12:47.070 --> 00:12:50.230 without making them any safer. So menthol cigarettes 00:12:50.230 --> 00:12:53.990 appeal to black people because it's a cool cigarette. 00:12:54.309 --> 00:12:57.289 It's cool. It's cooling. It makes so much sense 00:12:57.289 --> 00:12:59.889 why the brand Cool Cigarette because that makes 00:12:59.889 --> 00:13:01.450 sense. Right. That's why they called it cool, 00:13:01.490 --> 00:13:03.330 I bet. Damn, what white people do to destroy 00:13:03.330 --> 00:13:06.470 my community, man. Destroy everybody. Yeah. They 00:13:06.470 --> 00:13:09.950 don't give a fuck about anybody. Half ain't wide 00:13:09.950 --> 00:13:14.950 body ain't soul. Mild ain't bold. Cool ain't 00:13:14.950 --> 00:13:18.269 cool. Newport is. Oh, because that was like a 00:13:18.269 --> 00:13:21.230 take on cools because people used to smoke cools. 00:13:21.529 --> 00:13:24.879 Do cools exist anymore? In jail. Only in jail? 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:30.179 I don't know what the ratio is, what cigarette 00:13:30.179 --> 00:13:33.139 gets you more money in a dice game. But whenever 00:13:33.139 --> 00:13:35.460 I hear people telling war stories, they're like, 00:13:35.500 --> 00:13:39.580 man, I got a carton of cools for a bag of Doritos 00:13:39.580 --> 00:13:42.120 or something, but the value of a cool cigarette 00:13:42.120 --> 00:13:45.779 is higher in prison. Isn't it crazy that they 00:13:45.779 --> 00:13:48.399 give you cigarettes in prison? That's crazy. 00:13:48.500 --> 00:13:50.240 It's like the only drug you can get in prison. 00:13:50.340 --> 00:13:53.649 You can't get alcohol, right? Well, you can get 00:13:53.649 --> 00:13:55.809 hooch. Well, you can't get alcohol, but they 00:13:55.809 --> 00:13:58.830 make their own type of— But it's all under the 00:13:58.830 --> 00:14:02.529 table. Yeah. Yeah. But I think in prison, the 00:14:02.529 --> 00:14:05.309 things that hold the most value, I think it's 00:14:05.309 --> 00:14:11.129 tang, right? It's that artificial -flavored drink 00:14:11.129 --> 00:14:13.529 you do. I think that it's— Astronaut shit. Yep. 00:14:13.809 --> 00:14:18.570 Cigarettes, Doritos. I heard honey buns. hold 00:14:18.570 --> 00:14:21.909 their value and i heard candy bar but candy bars 00:14:21.909 --> 00:14:23.710 you got to be particular with that you because 00:14:23.710 --> 00:14:26.710 if you offer this is what i hear if you offer 00:14:26.710 --> 00:14:29.950 a person a certain amount of candy bars then 00:14:30.269 --> 00:14:32.149 What I understand is that you're inviting them 00:14:32.149 --> 00:14:34.509 to have sexual intercourse with you. Interesting. 00:14:34.750 --> 00:14:37.809 Yeah. Candy bars. Yeah. Do you want some candy 00:14:37.809 --> 00:14:40.309 bars? And that's like code. Yeah, it's like candy 00:14:40.309 --> 00:14:42.830 bars. Like Pizzagate with pizza. Mr. Goodbar 00:14:42.830 --> 00:14:46.090 for this good bar. Oh, okay. Not that I've had 00:14:46.090 --> 00:14:48.470 those experiences, Joe, but this is the times 00:14:48.470 --> 00:14:50.889 that I frequent the streets, which aren't anymore. 00:14:51.250 --> 00:14:54.149 Not too often, these are the stories that they 00:14:54.149 --> 00:14:56.830 tell. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. And these facts, 00:14:57.009 --> 00:15:00.110 you don't need them for anything but for... barbershop 00:15:00.110 --> 00:15:02.110 talk but these are the conversations that I have 00:15:02.110 --> 00:15:04.870 that I've heard people have it's interesting 00:15:04.870 --> 00:15:07.789 how different brands market to different people 00:15:07.789 --> 00:15:11.029 and I mean how do they figure it out like what 00:15:11.029 --> 00:15:14.929 do they work like that's where it's evil right 00:15:14.929 --> 00:15:18.309 like advertising itself I don't have a problem 00:15:18.309 --> 00:15:23.429 with but I there is something weird about deceptive 00:15:23.429 --> 00:15:26.610 advertising that's legal you know well they do 00:15:26.610 --> 00:15:30.830 a history on what uh people like i was watching 00:15:30.830 --> 00:15:34.330 or reading a story about the uh people that started 00:15:34.330 --> 00:15:36.950 forever 21 i forget what the brand was it was 00:15:36.950 --> 00:15:39.570 some koreans from south korea not to be confused 00:15:39.570 --> 00:15:43.529 with kim jung in those people but they were tailors 00:15:43.529 --> 00:15:45.789 or something they started a small boutique and 00:15:45.789 --> 00:15:47.549 what they would do was they would have these 00:15:47.549 --> 00:15:50.850 clothing uh pieces of clothes and they would 00:15:50.850 --> 00:15:55.330 really pay particular attention to what colors 00:15:55.330 --> 00:15:59.279 people like um what was uh selling the most, 00:15:59.320 --> 00:16:01.179 whatever, and that's what they buy. And one of 00:16:01.179 --> 00:16:03.240 the things that made Forever 21 so popular because 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:06.120 they had really inexpensive, the clothes weren't 00:16:06.120 --> 00:16:08.820 expensive, but they was turning them over so 00:16:08.820 --> 00:16:12.460 quick. So people do case studies and see what 00:16:12.460 --> 00:16:17.279 people are attracted to. I know with black people, 00:16:17.500 --> 00:16:21.120 you put lemon pepper on anything, it's going 00:16:21.120 --> 00:16:23.059 to go out the roof. You can do lemon pepper, 00:16:23.240 --> 00:16:26.139 chicken wings, lemon pepper, french fries, anything 00:16:26.139 --> 00:16:27.919 lemon pepper, they're going to go. I don't know 00:16:27.919 --> 00:16:30.220 who started the whole lemon pepper craze, but 00:16:30.220 --> 00:16:32.080 you lemon pepper anything, black people going 00:16:32.080 --> 00:16:34.240 to buy it. That's interesting how white people 00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:37.980 are associated with very bland foods. You know, 00:16:38.120 --> 00:16:41.700 macaroni, cheese, mashed potatoes, mayonnaise. 00:16:41.820 --> 00:16:43.860 And you know why you're connected with that blandness? 00:16:43.960 --> 00:16:46.720 Because of the way you pronounced it. Macaroni 00:16:46.720 --> 00:16:50.639 and cheese? You'd never ever say, if you tell 00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:53.539 somebody, if you say, and you would be able to 00:16:53.539 --> 00:16:55.740 be invited to the cookout, Joe, you know, people 00:16:55.740 --> 00:17:00.159 like you. If you say, hey, guys, I'm coming to 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:03.500 the cookout, right, and I'm bringing macaroni 00:17:03.500 --> 00:17:05.960 and cheese, you're going to get uninvited to 00:17:05.960 --> 00:17:08.359 the cookout. How should I say it? Mac and cheese. 00:17:08.599 --> 00:17:11.140 Mac and cheese. Yeah, you can't say macaroni 00:17:11.140 --> 00:17:13.799 and cheese. Nobody ever does that. Okay. They 00:17:13.799 --> 00:17:16.119 would look at you as a spy. You would get invited 00:17:16.119 --> 00:17:18.460 and be uninvited. Well, I'm a different type 00:17:18.460 --> 00:17:20.440 of white person because I'm Italian, and we're 00:17:20.440 --> 00:17:23.420 associated with spicy food, very strong flavors. 00:17:24.240 --> 00:17:27.190 Yeah, but. It's a different. Like, Italian people 00:17:27.190 --> 00:17:29.690 don't like bland food. They like very spicy, 00:17:29.789 --> 00:17:32.769 very flavorful food. I'm bringing baked ziti 00:17:32.769 --> 00:17:34.390 to the barbecue. You'd be like, I'm bringing 00:17:34.390 --> 00:17:37.670 ziti, right? I would say baked ziti. Yeah, because 00:17:37.670 --> 00:17:39.470 there's different kinds of ziti. You know, there's 00:17:39.470 --> 00:17:41.190 ziti that you bake and then there's ziti that 00:17:41.190 --> 00:17:43.450 you just boil and put, you know, marinara sauce 00:17:43.450 --> 00:17:45.450 on. There's different kinds of ziti. But I will 00:17:45.450 --> 00:17:48.509 say this. As much as, you know, community make 00:17:48.509 --> 00:17:53.109 fun of white people and their lack of seasoning, 00:17:53.349 --> 00:17:57.319 that... can save your life. Lack of seasoning 00:17:57.319 --> 00:18:00.000 can save your life? Yeah. How so? When you think 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:02.420 about, you look at somebody, one of the most 00:18:02.420 --> 00:18:08.200 country, home -cooked soul food spot, the one 00:18:08.200 --> 00:18:11.079 ingredient that's in everything that you taste 00:18:11.079 --> 00:18:13.279 right off the rip is salt. How good is salt for 00:18:13.279 --> 00:18:14.480 you? Salt's not bad for you at all. It's all 00:18:14.480 --> 00:18:16.259 bullshit. 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They add iodine to 00:19:48.119 --> 00:19:51.380 it, which is good for you. But salt is not a 00:19:51.380 --> 00:19:53.960 bad thing. I mean, you shouldn't have too much 00:19:53.960 --> 00:19:57.039 salt. Look, if you eat enough salt, you could 00:19:57.039 --> 00:19:58.380 die. Joe, you can't be the president to educate 00:19:58.380 --> 00:20:02.000 me with this. So all of these years, these people 00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:05.140 getting their toes chopped off. That's not why. 00:20:05.299 --> 00:20:07.799 That's not why. If you're getting diabetes, it's 00:20:07.799 --> 00:20:10.079 usually from sugar. Okay. You know, there's been 00:20:10.079 --> 00:20:13.420 a lot of misinformation that's spread because 00:20:13.420 --> 00:20:18.420 of actual scientists that were bribed by the 00:20:18.420 --> 00:20:21.619 sugar industry. So the sugar industry, they paid 00:20:21.619 --> 00:20:23.539 a bunch of Harvard scientists. It was Harvard, 00:20:23.640 --> 00:20:26.079 right? I believe it was. They didn't even give 00:20:26.079 --> 00:20:29.200 them a lot of money. Was it the 1950s or 1960s, 00:20:29.200 --> 00:20:32.119 Jamie? Do you remember? So this has all been... 00:20:32.440 --> 00:20:35.720 outed now, but what they did was they tried to 00:20:35.720 --> 00:20:39.940 associate saturated fat and foods with saturated 00:20:39.940 --> 00:20:41.740 fat with being responsible for heart disease. 00:20:41.980 --> 00:20:44.539 And they did that to try to get the blame off 00:20:44.539 --> 00:20:47.920 of sugar. Because sugar is fucking terrible for 00:20:47.920 --> 00:20:50.720 you. It's terrible in basically every way. Especially 00:20:50.720 --> 00:20:53.079 added sugar. So why are all of these diseases 00:20:53.079 --> 00:20:58.480 that we speak of are more happening in the black 00:20:58.480 --> 00:21:00.779 community than in the white community? It's diet. 00:21:01.210 --> 00:21:04.410 It's 100 percent. It's processed food. It's diet. 00:21:04.809 --> 00:21:07.990 It's sugar. It's sugary drinks. It's the amount 00:21:07.990 --> 00:21:10.569 of sugar. Like if you say if you drink like a 00:21:10.569 --> 00:21:14.529 one liter Pepsi, the amount of sugar that is. 00:21:14.589 --> 00:21:16.849 OK, let's find out how much sugar is in a one 00:21:16.849 --> 00:21:19.970 liter Pepsi. If you drink several of these a 00:21:19.970 --> 00:21:22.470 day, one of them, I believe, is more sugar than 00:21:22.470 --> 00:21:24.730 you're ever supposed to have in a day. Pepsi 00:21:24.730 --> 00:21:26.349 is the one, and that's why— Well, it could be 00:21:26.349 --> 00:21:28.349 Coca -Cola. It could be Pepsi, Mountain Dew. 00:21:28.509 --> 00:21:30.329 I think it's 100%. Pick your poison. I think 00:21:30.329 --> 00:21:33.589 it's 100 % Pepsi. Well, Pepsi is—I don't know. 00:21:33.670 --> 00:21:35.990 Does Pepsi have more sugar than Coca -Cola? I 00:21:35.990 --> 00:21:39.269 don't know. You know, Coca -Cola is one of the 00:21:39.269 --> 00:21:41.250 only things that's still flavored with cocaine 00:21:41.250 --> 00:21:47.269 leaf. Sugar content, 115 to 123 grams in a one 00:21:47.269 --> 00:21:49.690 -liter bottle. That's a crazy amount of sugar. 00:21:50.029 --> 00:21:55.059 25 teaspoons, 35 sugar cubes. God damn. That's 00:21:55.059 --> 00:21:59.700 130%, 138 % of the recommended daily value of 00:21:59.700 --> 00:22:02.819 sugar. That's where people are getting type 2 00:22:02.819 --> 00:22:04.759 diabetes. They're getting it from excess sugar. 00:22:04.819 --> 00:22:08.549 Specifically. Excess sugar, like in a liquid 00:22:08.549 --> 00:22:11.170 form, your body does not know what the fuck to 00:22:11.170 --> 00:22:13.450 do with that because nowhere in nature do you 00:22:13.450 --> 00:22:16.049 get sugar in a liquid form like that. Like even 00:22:16.049 --> 00:22:18.750 orange juice. People think orange juice is good 00:22:18.750 --> 00:22:21.730 for you. It's not. Like drinking orange juice, 00:22:21.769 --> 00:22:23.549 yeah, you're going to get some vitamin D, vitamin 00:22:23.549 --> 00:22:26.369 C rather, but you're also going to get a gigantic 00:22:26.369 --> 00:22:29.970 dose of sugar that has no fiber in it. But is 00:22:29.970 --> 00:22:32.109 it a different type of sugar in fruits and vegetables 00:22:32.109 --> 00:22:34.789 than what you get off the counter? You get fructose 00:22:34.789 --> 00:22:39.049 rather than. High fructose corn syrup. Sugar 00:22:39.049 --> 00:22:42.089 from fruit is the best sugar for you because 00:22:42.089 --> 00:22:45.329 it's attached to fiber. And that's a slow -release 00:22:45.329 --> 00:22:47.349 sugar. Like if you eat an apple. Apples aren't 00:22:47.349 --> 00:22:49.450 bad for you. It's a natural way that your body 00:22:49.450 --> 00:22:54.670 consumes sugar. Apples were bad for Adam. I don't 00:22:54.670 --> 00:22:56.529 even know if it was an apple. It was an apple. 00:22:56.609 --> 00:22:58.809 It was a fruit. It was a fruit from the tree 00:22:58.809 --> 00:23:03.089 of knowledge. It was an apple. It was an apple. 00:23:03.170 --> 00:23:05.230 But it wasn't an apple tree. What specifically 00:23:05.230 --> 00:23:08.450 does the Bible refer to as the fruit? Adam and 00:23:08.450 --> 00:23:12.369 Eve. You know the truth? What? Eve never talked 00:23:12.369 --> 00:23:16.390 to God. Adam talked to God. Adam told God not 00:23:16.390 --> 00:23:19.150 to eat the fruit. There's nowhere in the Bible 00:23:19.150 --> 00:23:21.930 does it say that Adam went and told Eve. This 00:23:21.930 --> 00:23:24.569 is why we should start not just shutting women 00:23:24.569 --> 00:23:30.240 down to listening to them. Genesis does not specifically 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:33.380 specify, rather, what kind of fruit Adam ate, 00:23:33.460 --> 00:23:35.440 only that it calls it fruit from the tree of 00:23:35.440 --> 00:23:38.960 knowledge of good and evil. Yeah, so it's not 00:23:38.960 --> 00:23:43.200 necessarily an apple. We call it an apple. The 00:23:43.200 --> 00:23:46.319 text never names the species, apple, fig, etc. 00:23:46.500 --> 00:23:49.380 The Hebrew word is peri, a general term meaning 00:23:49.380 --> 00:23:52.490 fruit without a botanical detail. Where the apple 00:23:52.490 --> 00:23:54.750 idea came from over time, Jewish and Christian 00:23:54.750 --> 00:23:57.170 interpreters proposed many candidates including 00:23:57.170 --> 00:24:00.670 fig, grape, pomegranate, citron, and others. 00:24:00.750 --> 00:24:03.750 Now common ideas that an apple developed later 00:24:03.750 --> 00:24:07.690 in European tradition helped by wordplay in Latin 00:24:07.690 --> 00:24:09.970 and Old French where the words evil and apple 00:24:09.970 --> 00:24:14.059 or fruit sounded or were spelled similarly. So 00:24:14.059 --> 00:24:16.359 it's not necessarily an apple. I really don't 00:24:16.359 --> 00:24:18.299 know what to believe. I feel like I get so much 00:24:18.299 --> 00:24:21.119 more information when I come here. I don't know 00:24:21.119 --> 00:24:22.960 if people understand that. Well, the crazy thing 00:24:22.960 --> 00:24:25.339 is that, I mean, I've found this out recently 00:24:25.339 --> 00:24:27.099 because I've actually been reading the Bible, 00:24:27.200 --> 00:24:31.180 that there's no reference whatsoever to Adam 00:24:31.180 --> 00:24:34.200 telling Eve, you're not supposed to eat the fruit 00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:37.240 from the plant with the knowledge of good and 00:24:37.240 --> 00:24:40.720 evil. I never knew that. Yeah. I just knew it 00:24:40.720 --> 00:24:43.200 was a white woman with an apple and this shit 00:24:43.200 --> 00:24:45.059 got fucked up after that. What happened was God 00:24:45.059 --> 00:24:47.299 created Adam. This is what Genesis says. God 00:24:47.299 --> 00:24:49.619 created Adam and then told Adam, go and name 00:24:49.619 --> 00:24:52.460 all the animals. And then when he was done with 00:24:52.460 --> 00:24:57.319 that, Adam made Eve. But he never said, it never 00:24:57.319 --> 00:25:00.819 says in the Bible, Adam told Eve, do not eat 00:25:00.819 --> 00:25:04.039 the apple. Who's given this? us this misinformation? 00:25:04.519 --> 00:25:07.940 Well, the problem with the Bible is, first of 00:25:07.940 --> 00:25:10.920 all, that it was an oral tradition forever. So 00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:13.200 it was an oral tradition for a long time before 00:25:13.200 --> 00:25:14.920 it was ever written down. Then it was written 00:25:14.920 --> 00:25:17.240 down in a bunch of ancient languages. It was 00:25:17.240 --> 00:25:19.180 written down in ancient Hebrew. It was written 00:25:19.180 --> 00:25:22.900 down in Aramaic. And then when you translate 00:25:22.900 --> 00:25:26.369 ancient Hebrew to first... They translated it 00:25:26.369 --> 00:25:28.970 to Latin, and then they translated it to Greek, 00:25:29.049 --> 00:25:31.329 and all these other, maybe Greek first. I forget 00:25:31.329 --> 00:25:34.410 which one was first. But either way, the translations 00:25:34.410 --> 00:25:38.369 miss a lot of the language. It's a very complicated, 00:25:38.650 --> 00:25:40.490 ancient Hebrew is a very complicated language. 00:25:40.829 --> 00:25:44.049 And numbers double as letters in ancient Hebrew. 00:25:44.210 --> 00:25:47.109 So ancient Hebrew doesn't have numbers. All their 00:25:47.109 --> 00:25:49.450 words have a numerical value to them. What do 00:25:49.450 --> 00:25:54.910 you think makes people so connected? to the bible 00:25:54.910 --> 00:25:58.430 is it because of wanting to believe in something 00:25:58.430 --> 00:26:01.650 definitely definitely wanting to believe in something 00:26:01.650 --> 00:26:04.829 and then specifically if you look at like the 00:26:04.829 --> 00:26:07.170 teachings of jesus christ if you follow them 00:26:07.170 --> 00:26:10.029 i think it'll lead to a better life i think it 00:26:10.029 --> 00:26:11.650 makes you a better person makes you a better 00:26:11.650 --> 00:26:15.150 member of the community it reinforces community 00:26:15.150 --> 00:26:18.369 it's like a really good way to live your life 00:26:18.369 --> 00:26:20.529 so i think the people that live that way that 00:26:20.529 --> 00:26:22.660 actually live that way They're better examples 00:26:22.660 --> 00:26:25.579 of human beings, so that makes it reinforced. 00:26:25.980 --> 00:26:28.319 But it's also people – there's a lot of other 00:26:28.319 --> 00:26:30.220 religions that people believe in that don't have 00:26:30.220 --> 00:26:32.940 those aspects to them. People want to believe 00:26:32.940 --> 00:26:35.180 things. People want to believe in things even 00:26:35.180 --> 00:26:37.480 if you like – like Scientology. People deeply 00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:40.420 believe in Scientology, and we know it was written 00:26:40.420 --> 00:26:43.339 by a science fiction author who was a bad science 00:26:43.339 --> 00:26:45.799 fiction author. L. Ron Hubbard wrote some terrible 00:26:45.799 --> 00:26:48.420 books. Like that guy would just bang books out. 00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:50.759 He never rewrote shit. Everything was a first 00:26:50.759 --> 00:26:54.910 draft. He wrote more fiction than any human being 00:26:54.910 --> 00:26:58.089 that's ever lived. And he also wrote Scientology. 00:26:58.289 --> 00:27:00.789 And people believe in him. I do believe. I think 00:27:00.789 --> 00:27:04.269 people, like you say, people want to, if your 00:27:04.269 --> 00:27:06.490 life is fucked up, they want to be able to say, 00:27:06.529 --> 00:27:08.569 okay, this is my savior. If I believe in this, 00:27:08.650 --> 00:27:10.549 it's going to get me on the right track. 100%. 00:27:10.549 --> 00:27:13.069 And then with that, with these, like, Drewski 00:27:13.069 --> 00:27:16.089 just did a skit that went viral, right? And it 00:27:16.089 --> 00:27:18.170 was like he was making fun of the megachurches 00:27:18.170 --> 00:27:21.819 and everything. These churches, they give these 00:27:21.819 --> 00:27:24.720 people something to believe in, make them feel 00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:26.779 better, and they charge people. Do you think 00:27:26.779 --> 00:27:29.099 that there should be a separation? If I inspire 00:27:29.099 --> 00:27:33.140 you, if my writings or my speeches inspire you 00:27:33.140 --> 00:27:35.940 to want to do something and change your life 00:27:35.940 --> 00:27:39.559 and be more financially secure, do you think 00:27:39.559 --> 00:27:41.259 these people entitled to like, okay, almost like 00:27:41.259 --> 00:27:43.539 agencies, if I get you to work or get you there, 00:27:43.599 --> 00:27:46.180 should you hit me off? Or the megachurches, is 00:27:46.180 --> 00:27:47.859 it so wrong for me just to pour all their money 00:27:47.859 --> 00:27:50.549 into them? Are they giving these people something 00:27:50.549 --> 00:27:52.710 to believe in? If that's the case, do I supposed 00:27:52.710 --> 00:27:54.390 to get a piece of that? I think they're preying 00:27:54.390 --> 00:27:56.710 on people's need to believe in things. And I 00:27:56.710 --> 00:27:59.029 think they're very predatory. And I think that's 00:27:59.029 --> 00:28:01.509 why they're flying private jets and driving Rolls 00:28:01.509 --> 00:28:04.170 Royces and living in mega mansions on giant ranches. 00:28:04.549 --> 00:28:06.869 And they're doing it all off of donations of 00:28:06.869 --> 00:28:08.789 people that are barely getting by. That's a lot 00:28:08.789 --> 00:28:11.529 of it. You know, I think it's a scam that's legal. 00:28:11.769 --> 00:28:15.109 I think if we were a just and righteous society, 00:28:15.390 --> 00:28:18.940 it wouldn't be legal. I mean, you're taking advantage 00:28:18.940 --> 00:28:23.099 of people when they need something to believe 00:28:23.099 --> 00:28:25.940 in and you're asking for all their money. Like, 00:28:25.940 --> 00:28:28.460 I remember I was watching this. guy on TV once, 00:28:28.619 --> 00:28:31.500 like, televangelists are the worst. And this 00:28:31.500 --> 00:28:34.720 guy was saying that if you are broke, you should 00:28:34.720 --> 00:28:37.779 borrow money to donate it to the church and it 00:28:37.779 --> 00:28:41.279 will be paid back to you tenfold. That God will 00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:43.420 pay you back tenfold. And then he had all these 00:28:43.420 --> 00:28:45.220 examples of people that did it and they would 00:28:45.220 --> 00:28:48.880 call in and say, I was $1 ,000 in debt and this 00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:51.119 and that, but I borrowed $100 and I donated it 00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:53.079 to you and now all of a sudden I drive a Rolls 00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:55.299 Royce and it's all horseshit. But those are all 00:28:55.299 --> 00:28:58.549 desperate... Desperate people. Desperate people. 00:28:58.589 --> 00:29:00.549 Those are the same people that I'm going to spend 00:29:00.549 --> 00:29:03.009 $30 on the lottery every day for like fucking 00:29:03.009 --> 00:29:04.829 50 years and don't know how much. That's another 00:29:04.829 --> 00:29:07.390 scam. That's another scam. Not only is that a 00:29:07.390 --> 00:29:09.950 scam, here's the scam about the lottery. Not 00:29:09.950 --> 00:29:13.630 only does, like, say if everyone pumps money 00:29:13.630 --> 00:29:16.450 into the lottery. Say you buy $100 worth of tickets 00:29:16.450 --> 00:29:18.349 and Jamie buys $100 worth of tickets and I buy 00:29:18.349 --> 00:29:21.250 $100. So there's $300 in the lottery. There's 00:29:21.250 --> 00:29:25.779 not even $300 available. If you win. And then 00:29:25.779 --> 00:29:28.900 if you win, you don't get all the money. You 00:29:28.900 --> 00:29:31.019 get the money over a long period of time. But 00:29:31.019 --> 00:29:32.940 they always give you options. Right, right, right. 00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:36.220 But if you take the second option, it's a significantly 00:29:36.220 --> 00:29:38.660 – like here's a good example of it. Speaking 00:29:38.660 --> 00:29:41.079 of the Epstein Files. What do you mean speaking 00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:42.839 of the Epstein Files? His company, Zorro Trust. 00:29:43.980 --> 00:29:46.839 I didn't like that transition. You looked me 00:29:46.839 --> 00:29:48.660 right in my eyes and said, speaking of the MC. 00:29:48.660 --> 00:29:50.220 Well, MC, we were talking about it before the 00:29:50.220 --> 00:29:53.420 podcast. MC came to see you. No, MC did not fucking 00:29:53.420 --> 00:29:55.779 come to see me. They loved your show. Yo. He 00:29:55.779 --> 00:29:57.880 was your, he was a number one fan. First of all, 00:29:57.920 --> 00:30:02.519 I never. He came to West, you don't know. Look, 00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:04.799 they came to West Palm Improv because you're 00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:07.180 a famous comedian and you were playing in the 00:30:07.180 --> 00:30:09.539 town where he lived. So what are you saying? 00:30:09.680 --> 00:30:12.480 Nothing. But what I'm saying is that what I'm 00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:16.039 saying is Epstein won the lottery. His company, 00:30:16.160 --> 00:30:20.640 Zorro Trust, won an $80 million lottery. And 00:30:20.640 --> 00:30:23.640 then they took the payoff, and the payoff was 00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:24.559 only $30 million. What do you mean $80 million? 00:30:24.559 --> 00:30:27.680 From a ticket or you mean in corporations? What 00:30:27.680 --> 00:30:29.940 do you mean when you say - His company bought 00:30:29.940 --> 00:30:32.700 a ticket for the lottery. Oh, really? Yes. Zorro 00:30:32.700 --> 00:30:35.619 Trust, which is his company. They won the lottery, 00:30:35.700 --> 00:30:37.799 which is very suspicious. Not only that, he won 00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:39.920 the lottery right after he was arrested and went 00:30:39.920 --> 00:30:42.819 to jail for fucking kids or having sex or whatever 00:30:42.819 --> 00:30:46.000 he was arrested for. Sexual hand jobs, whatever 00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:48.539 it was. There's nothing wrong with a sexual hand 00:30:48.539 --> 00:30:50.319 job. No, but when they're underage, girls are 00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:51.799 probably not good. Oh, I didn't know that. So 00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:56.410 then when he went - and got the lottery money, 00:30:56.569 --> 00:30:59.630 the company took the payoff. The payoff out of 00:30:59.630 --> 00:31:02.609 an $80 million payment, the $80 million jackpot, 00:31:02.670 --> 00:31:04.990 was only $30 million. So if you want the money, 00:31:05.089 --> 00:31:08.329 you take $30. So not only did they take $50 out 00:31:08.329 --> 00:31:10.829 of the $80, but then you think about how many 00:31:10.829 --> 00:31:13.710 people spent money buying lottery tickets. It's 00:31:13.710 --> 00:31:16.630 way more than $80 million. So they make money 00:31:16.630 --> 00:31:18.809 off of that, and then they make money off of 00:31:18.809 --> 00:31:20.869 the fact that you want the payoff instead of 00:31:20.869 --> 00:31:25.730 the over... So it doesn't matter what the jackpot 00:31:25.730 --> 00:31:28.049 becomes. They never can lose. They can't lose 00:31:28.049 --> 00:31:29.829 because they're stealing money from people that 00:31:29.829 --> 00:31:32.829 are desperate. It's legalized gambling where 00:31:32.829 --> 00:31:35.710 the house always wins. Right. Like, let's find 00:31:35.710 --> 00:31:40.740 that out. Like, let's say. Let's find an average 00:31:40.740 --> 00:31:44.940 jackpot of megabucks and find out how much money 00:31:44.940 --> 00:31:48.599 actually goes into it, how much money people 00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:51.380 spend versus how much money the payout is. So 00:31:51.380 --> 00:31:55.700 when this—all lottos are state -regulated, right? 00:31:56.160 --> 00:31:58.700 Right? I don't know. I don't know who regulates 00:31:58.700 --> 00:32:04.259 them. So they get, say, they get $100 million 00:32:04.259 --> 00:32:07.720 from people trying to win $1 billion. It's because 00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:10.380 the state regulated it. Do they have to pay taxes 00:32:10.380 --> 00:32:12.099 to the government for the money they give them? 00:32:12.099 --> 00:32:15.160 The lotto? No. It's the state. Or it's the government 00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:18.740 owns it. So it's whatever the—not only that, 00:32:18.940 --> 00:32:21.519 you pay taxes on it. So say if you get that— 00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:22.579 The winner pays taxes. Yeah, yeah, of course. 00:32:22.599 --> 00:32:24.779 So say if you take that $30 million payout, you 00:32:24.779 --> 00:32:26.599 don't even get $30 million. Then you have to 00:32:26.599 --> 00:32:28.579 pay taxes on that $30 million. So they get money 00:32:28.579 --> 00:32:31.160 from that, too. So they can't— Fucking lose. 00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:35.599 But for a person that's barely seen $1 ,000 anywhere, 00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:37.460 anything with a million, they're going to be 00:32:37.460 --> 00:32:38.660 excited about it and take it before they know 00:32:38.660 --> 00:32:42.160 it. Exactly. Exactly. And over time, most people 00:32:42.160 --> 00:32:44.539 are not going to win. So most people are dumping 00:32:44.539 --> 00:32:47.660 money into it. There was a story of a young lady. 00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:49.460 I don't know exactly what it was. I think she 00:32:49.460 --> 00:32:52.400 won some type of lottery where they gave her 00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:54.559 two options. She would get, I think it was like 00:32:54.559 --> 00:32:58.740 a payout of like $2 or $3 million right up front. 00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:02.059 Or they give her, I think it was like $20 ,000 00:33:02.059 --> 00:33:05.700 every month for as long as she lived. Yeah, that's 00:33:05.700 --> 00:33:07.880 how they do it. Well, people think that it's 00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:10.279 kind of crazy, but if you consider the fact that 00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:12.339 she was probably 20, 21, her life expectancy 00:33:12.339 --> 00:33:14.500 probably, she was white, so she probably lived 00:33:14.500 --> 00:33:17.880 to 132. You know what I'm saying? She looked 00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:19.799 like, that was a smart, a lot of people would 00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:21.180 not understand that. That was a smart thing. 00:33:21.460 --> 00:33:24.180 I don't think it's for the rest of your life. 00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:27.769 I think it's until it reaches that number. I 00:33:27.769 --> 00:33:28.910 don't think they're going to give you money for 00:33:28.910 --> 00:33:31.549 the rest of your life. Maybe it's a different 00:33:31.549 --> 00:33:34.130 kind of lottery that I'm not aware of. I think 00:33:34.130 --> 00:33:36.359 it was something as long as she lives. That sounds 00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:38.700 crazy. Yeah. All right, here it is. Typical Mega 00:33:38.700 --> 00:33:41.160 Millions jackpot run. Total ticket revenue is 00:33:41.160 --> 00:33:44.119 usually several times the advertised jackpot. 00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:46.640 But there's no single fixed average because sales 00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:49.259 vary enormously with the jackpot size. Still, 00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:53.240 you can get a good ballpark. So around 50 % of 00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:55.680 ticket revenue goes into the overall prize pool. 00:33:55.779 --> 00:33:57.880 So the government makes 50 % right off the bat. 00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:01.059 Right. So if it's a $100 million payout, they 00:34:01.059 --> 00:34:04.210 already made $100 million. So this $200 million 00:34:04.210 --> 00:34:06.950 is what they made. They throw in $100 million 00:34:06.950 --> 00:34:10.250 for everybody. Of that prize pool, roughly two 00:34:10.250 --> 00:34:12.630 -thirds to three -quarters is allocated to the 00:34:12.630 --> 00:34:15.769 jackpot, with the rest funding lower -tier prizes. 00:34:16.070 --> 00:34:19.610 So that means even if there's $200 million, out 00:34:19.610 --> 00:34:22.369 of the $100 million, only two -thirds of it goes 00:34:22.369 --> 00:34:27.289 into the big jackpot. And that means the jackpot 00:34:27.289 --> 00:34:29.969 is typically in the order of one third of total 00:34:29.969 --> 00:34:33.210 ticket sales that run. And then out of that one 00:34:33.210 --> 00:34:35.750 third, so say if it's 100 million or with the 00:34:35.750 --> 00:34:38.230 Epstein case, it was 80 million. He took the 00:34:38.230 --> 00:34:40.429 payout, which was 30 million. So they make 50 00:34:40.429 --> 00:34:43.050 on top of that. And then on top of that, you 00:34:43.050 --> 00:34:46.449 pay taxes on that 30. It's a crazy scam. What 00:34:46.449 --> 00:34:48.449 do you do with the money? Whatever the fuck they 00:34:48.449 --> 00:34:51.329 want. Who can tell you? I think in certain neighborhoods, 00:34:51.530 --> 00:34:53.789 I think they probably pump a certain amount of 00:34:53.789 --> 00:34:56.389 winning tickets into a neighborhood just to get 00:34:56.389 --> 00:34:58.090 you addicted to keep going in there and spend 00:34:58.090 --> 00:35:01.449 your money. Well, it's supposed to be random. 00:35:01.769 --> 00:35:05.329 You know, I don't know how much oversight. Look, 00:35:05.429 --> 00:35:07.409 if a guy like Jeffrey Epstein can win, I don't 00:35:07.409 --> 00:35:10.630 know how much oversight is. I know back in Boston 00:35:10.630 --> 00:35:13.730 when I lived there, Whitey Bulger won. See if 00:35:13.730 --> 00:35:16.090 this is true. I think he won the lotto twice. 00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:19.320 Which is crazy. Whitey Bulger, who was that? 00:35:19.539 --> 00:35:24.039 Whitey Bulger was a South Boston mob boss in 00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:29.079 the 1980s when I lived there. The 1980s and 90s. 00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:33.800 A mob boss? Yeah, he was a dangerous, dangerous 00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:36.960 guy. He was the guy that that movie that Leonardo 00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:40.320 DiCaprio starred in with Jack Nicholson. What 00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:42.760 was that movie, Jamie? Remember that movie that 00:35:42.760 --> 00:35:46.219 was based on Whitey Bulger? The Departed? Yeah, 00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:48.739 yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay. That was based on Whitey 00:35:48.739 --> 00:35:51.820 Bulger. He was a gangster? Oh, yeah. Terrifying 00:35:51.820 --> 00:35:56.280 gangster. Yeah. What was his demise? He was actually 00:35:56.280 --> 00:36:00.039 a fucking FBI informant. Not only was he a gangster, 00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:02.280 he was working with the FBI and they were letting 00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:04.000 him get away with shit because he was throwing 00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:06.079 other people under the bus. I think there's a 00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:08.039 different, I mean... They wound up catching him 00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:11.210 in Santa Monica. Well, I've found that— Hunting 00:36:11.210 --> 00:36:14.690 Whitey. About that Whitey Bulger won the mass 00:36:14.690 --> 00:36:17.769 millions lottery about that time. Yeah. Yeah, 00:36:17.829 --> 00:36:22.730 he won the fucking lottery, man. So this is what 00:36:22.730 --> 00:36:27.949 it says here. What does it say? I think it was 00:36:27.949 --> 00:36:30.349 more of a scheme than he actually won, but he 00:36:30.349 --> 00:36:31.949 was taking money. It's probably a way to, like, 00:36:31.949 --> 00:36:34.340 launder money. Yeah. Oh, 100 percent. It's a 00:36:34.340 --> 00:36:36.039 way to launder money. So the way it would work 00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:38.599 was like, say, if you lived in the community 00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:41.719 and you won the lottery ticket, maybe they would 00:36:41.719 --> 00:36:43.840 give you money for your lottery ticket. Then 00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:46.460 he would get it. And that way. it would show 00:36:46.460 --> 00:36:49.039 that this is where he got his income from. These 00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:51.760 guys would all own businesses, but the reason 00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:53.519 why they would own businesses is so they could 00:36:53.519 --> 00:36:55.960 show why they drive a Cadillac, why they have 00:36:55.960 --> 00:36:58.000 a mansion, why they have this, because they have 00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:00.199 legitimate businesses. But really, these businesses 00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:03.179 were scams. My father convinced my family that 00:37:03.179 --> 00:37:05.099 he was a real estate agent for years and come 00:37:05.099 --> 00:37:07.079 to find out he was a heroin kingpin in D .C. 00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:09.760 for years. All we needed was an excuse. He's 00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:11.599 selling real estate, all right? That's hilarious. 00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:16.519 He ordered the real winner to sign the ticket 00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:19.360 over with Whitey and two associates paying $2 00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:22.980 .3 million in cash for 50 % of the winnings. 00:37:23.219 --> 00:37:27.420 Bulger himself paid Michael Linsky $700 ,000, 00:37:27.420 --> 00:37:29.699 although Linsky lost money in the deal. He really 00:37:29.699 --> 00:37:32.139 had no choice. It came down to selling the ticket 00:37:32.139 --> 00:37:34.420 or risking his life. Yeah, so that's how it usually 00:37:34.420 --> 00:37:38.780 works. So he was a snitch? Whitey was a snitch, 00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:41.570 yeah. He was a snitch and he got caught in Santa 00:37:41.570 --> 00:37:43.949 Monica. Snitch or whistleblower? There is a difference. 00:37:44.050 --> 00:37:46.050 No, he was a snitch. Whistleblowers are people 00:37:46.050 --> 00:37:48.110 that snitch on people in higher profile positions 00:37:48.110 --> 00:37:51.409 like corporate America. No, he wasn't a whistleblower. 00:37:51.449 --> 00:37:53.889 He was an actual snitch because he was turning 00:37:53.889 --> 00:37:57.630 other people in. He was a kingpin. Is this true? 00:37:58.110 --> 00:37:59.849 And I don't want to make everything about race. 00:38:00.150 --> 00:38:04.090 Is that phrase snitches, get snitches more prevalent 00:38:04.090 --> 00:38:06.130 in a white community or a black community or 00:38:06.130 --> 00:38:07.949 is it across the board? I think it's across the 00:38:07.949 --> 00:38:10.510 board, isn't it? Like the black community is 00:38:10.510 --> 00:38:12.690 famous for keeping their mouth shut when someone 00:38:12.690 --> 00:38:15.309 gets shot or when someone does something. Like 00:38:15.309 --> 00:38:16.829 when cops come and question people. I don't know 00:38:16.829 --> 00:38:17.869 if that's the truth anymore because what I'm 00:38:17.869 --> 00:38:19.130 - Not anymore. But that was the thing with the 00:38:19.130 --> 00:38:21.570 mafia too. Yeah. The mob would never rat out. 00:38:21.650 --> 00:38:22.889 Guys would just go to jail. It's interesting 00:38:22.889 --> 00:38:26.840 now because now I see - Like, especially in my 00:38:26.840 --> 00:38:29.179 community, so many people, like, rat, I got the 00:38:29.179 --> 00:38:31.559 paperwork and everything. And now it feels like 00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:38.679 that model of being loyal is dead. Like, people 00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:41.400 now, they get in court with shit in a minute. 00:38:41.539 --> 00:38:43.280 They get in court, they snitch on everybody. 00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:46.420 Right. And there's no repercussions when they 00:38:46.420 --> 00:38:48.980 come home. There's no repercussions. I don't 00:38:48.980 --> 00:38:51.719 see that as much. I see so many people that are 00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:53.840 saying whatever the fuck they want to do, and 00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:56.139 they're still out here just living their lives 00:38:56.139 --> 00:38:58.219 normal like nothing fucking happened. Well, with 00:38:58.219 --> 00:39:01.019 the mob, it was always like if you ratted on 00:39:01.019 --> 00:39:02.780 the mob, you were a dead man. You were a dead 00:39:02.780 --> 00:39:04.880 man. Your family was probably dead. They burned 00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:07.460 your house down, and people kept their mouth 00:39:07.460 --> 00:39:09.739 shut because of that. And so guys would go to 00:39:09.739 --> 00:39:11.880 jail all the time and never open their mouth, 00:39:11.940 --> 00:39:13.659 and they would be rewarded when they would get 00:39:13.659 --> 00:39:15.679 out. They'd have a party for them, celebrate. 00:39:16.139 --> 00:39:18.019 That's in Goodfellas. You kept your mouth shut. 00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:20.219 Shut. You never said nothing. That was the whole 00:39:20.219 --> 00:39:22.659 thing. But the whole thing, I used to live by 00:39:22.659 --> 00:39:24.880 it. That changed, though, like with John Gotti. 00:39:25.159 --> 00:39:28.460 Did he snitch? No, Sammy the Bull. Sammy the 00:39:28.460 --> 00:39:31.940 Bull. And it wasn't just them. Everyone was snitching 00:39:31.940 --> 00:39:34.340 on everybody. It's like they got these guys. 00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:38.920 We had Donnie Brasco in the studio. From what? 00:39:39.679 --> 00:39:42.960 That Johnny Depp movie. It was called Donnie 00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:47.610 Brasco. Okay. Why am I confused? What's Donnie 00:39:47.610 --> 00:39:52.670 Brasco's real name? I'm not confused. Bronx Tale. 00:39:52.710 --> 00:39:55.329 That's not Bronx Tale. Joe Pistone. That's not 00:39:55.329 --> 00:39:57.030 nothing to do with Bronx Tale, right? No, different 00:39:57.030 --> 00:40:00.929 story. That's a different story. Yeah. So Donnie 00:40:00.929 --> 00:40:05.449 Brasco was the guy who was an agent, and he pretended 00:40:05.449 --> 00:40:07.909 to be a mob guy. And he got in with the mob and 00:40:07.909 --> 00:40:10.070 was with them for like seven years. Did all kinds 00:40:10.070 --> 00:40:13.699 of shit with the mob. Sold everybody out and 00:40:13.699 --> 00:40:16.000 they all went under. Yeah, I don't know. I'm 00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:19.519 just so, the culture, everything is, there used 00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:21.900 to be a phrase, snitches get stitches. Now, I 00:40:21.900 --> 00:40:24.460 don't know if this just everywhere, but everywhere 00:40:24.460 --> 00:40:27.380 I go, it's like the most interesting thing now 00:40:27.380 --> 00:40:29.219 that's selling on any platform, especially social 00:40:29.219 --> 00:40:32.579 media, is beef. And I don't understand why people 00:40:32.579 --> 00:40:35.440 gravitate toward negativity more than anything. 00:40:35.860 --> 00:40:38.860 That's normal. Why? But you know what? It's interesting. 00:40:38.980 --> 00:40:42.599 Your platform is not known for that. No. Your 00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:45.280 platform. But I go to these other platforms and 00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:48.420 I don't know. I think these guys, these people, 00:40:48.539 --> 00:40:51.119 they just sit back and it's like, okay, what 00:40:51.119 --> 00:40:55.480 can I say to make people upset, get them riled 00:40:55.480 --> 00:40:58.360 up, and then I take advantage of the engagement 00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:00.539 that they do. They're in a different game than 00:41:00.539 --> 00:41:03.360 me. All right. Their game is trying to get engagement. 00:41:03.500 --> 00:41:05.480 My game is talking to people that are interesting. 00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:08.800 But doesn't that become. I don't want to be triggering 00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:11.019 anything, but doesn't that become destructive 00:41:11.019 --> 00:41:15.000 after a while? 100%. And do you, have you noticed, 00:41:15.179 --> 00:41:18.420 especially, I'll put it like this, especially... 00:41:18.840 --> 00:41:22.179 with comedians with podcasts. It used to be a 00:41:22.179 --> 00:41:24.679 time where, like you say, a person would go on 00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:26.960 a podcast because it was interesting, they told 00:41:26.960 --> 00:41:29.900 funny stories, or they was good at their craft 00:41:29.900 --> 00:41:32.280 or whatever. But now it feels like all these 00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:34.219 platforms, and I don't know if that's just in 00:41:34.219 --> 00:41:36.039 my community, when I say that, black people, 00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:39.159 it's like the only way I can find myself interesting 00:41:39.159 --> 00:41:43.460 if I talk shit about people. And motherfuckers 00:41:43.460 --> 00:41:49.210 are going away from being funny. when you get 00:41:49.210 --> 00:41:52.550 interviewed like every fucking podcast i turn 00:41:52.550 --> 00:41:55.789 on now is somebody i'm exposed this person i'm 00:41:55.789 --> 00:41:58.010 gonna tell this about what you didn't know and 00:41:58.010 --> 00:41:59.909 the one thing they're not doing especially as 00:41:59.909 --> 00:42:02.469 a stand -up comedian motherfuckers don't give 00:42:02.469 --> 00:42:05.010 a fuck about being funny no more are those days 00:42:05.010 --> 00:42:08.989 over no no no no those people that do that are 00:42:08.989 --> 00:42:12.610 almost always not very talented Almost always. 00:42:12.710 --> 00:42:16.869 The only exception to that is Cat. And I think 00:42:16.869 --> 00:42:18.809 what Cat was doing was different. Because what 00:42:18.809 --> 00:42:21.570 Cat was doing was exposing what he thought was 00:42:21.570 --> 00:42:24.150 snakes and liars. Okay. It's a different thing. 00:42:24.210 --> 00:42:29.429 Okay. Okay. Okay. This is my question. Okay. 00:42:29.610 --> 00:42:32.750 Okay. This is my question. Okay. This is my question. 00:42:32.889 --> 00:42:36.659 People can take it. Okay. Okay. I want to say 00:42:36.659 --> 00:42:38.940 this. This is what I'm saying, Joe. What are 00:42:38.940 --> 00:42:40.699 you saying? I'm coming from this place. I'm like 00:42:40.699 --> 00:42:42.679 this. No disrespect to whatever the cat, but 00:42:42.679 --> 00:42:49.519 like, who asked you? Shannon Sharp did when he 00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:52.690 did that podcast. Shannon Sharp might have asked 00:42:52.690 --> 00:42:55.409 one question. But Shannon Sharp likes that. In 00:42:55.409 --> 00:42:58.969 his podcast, he likes a lot of that. His people, 00:42:59.110 --> 00:43:01.570 they find questions. He's got a sheet of paper. 00:43:01.710 --> 00:43:03.269 He's got questions of people that have beef. 00:43:03.309 --> 00:43:06.610 Joe, what do you do with those truths? What do 00:43:06.610 --> 00:43:10.929 you do with talking about, I watched, this is 00:43:10.929 --> 00:43:13.030 a horrible impression. I sat there in the parking 00:43:13.030 --> 00:43:15.969 lot and I watched people go up into Diddy's house 00:43:15.969 --> 00:43:17.829 and they came down and they were standing up. 00:43:18.030 --> 00:43:21.909 I'm trying to figure out. What the fuck do you 00:43:21.909 --> 00:43:25.570 get out of that? What is the result of that? 00:43:25.670 --> 00:43:28.610 You expose these people to say what? Hollywood 00:43:28.610 --> 00:43:32.969 is never going to fucking change. You know what 00:43:32.969 --> 00:43:36.130 changes? Like what you do. I left fucking Hollywood. 00:43:36.789 --> 00:43:38.829 Hollywood is not going to change. And I'm not 00:43:38.829 --> 00:43:41.530 saying I went to a Diddy party. First off, I 00:43:41.530 --> 00:43:44.630 was never invited. There's a chance I would accept 00:43:44.630 --> 00:43:48.360 the invitation with rules. You know? Right. What 00:43:48.360 --> 00:43:51.659 is the purpose of exposing something that you— 00:43:51.659 --> 00:43:53.980 Well, I don't think most people are exposing. 00:43:54.179 --> 00:43:56.179 What most people are doing when they're being 00:43:56.179 --> 00:43:59.599 negative is they are jealous, and they are below 00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:01.739 the person they're talking shit about. Like, 00:44:01.739 --> 00:44:03.840 whenever I see someone that's talking shit about 00:44:03.840 --> 00:44:04.559 a high -level— So you don't think Kat was jealous 00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:08.530 about—you say that, and you use— Cat Williams 00:44:08.530 --> 00:44:12.710 as an example. First of all, when Cat did it, 00:44:12.710 --> 00:44:15.230 it was very funny. It was very funny. Cat's a 00:44:15.230 --> 00:44:18.130 very funny guy. And when he was doing it, I think 00:44:18.130 --> 00:44:20.429 he was also being very funny while he was doing 00:44:20.429 --> 00:44:21.909 it, which is different. Well, you have to put 00:44:21.909 --> 00:44:23.510 an LOL on the end of it because people might 00:44:23.510 --> 00:44:26.550 not understand his humor. Because this is a connection 00:44:26.550 --> 00:44:29.550 people have. This is the connection they have 00:44:29.550 --> 00:44:31.889 with Cat. This is what they say. They ride with 00:44:31.889 --> 00:44:35.320 him. They say, where is the lie? Where is the 00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:37.320 lion? All this stuff. But I'm just trying to 00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:40.099 understand, what is the purpose of exposing all 00:44:40.099 --> 00:44:42.139 this stuff? What do we do with this information? 00:44:42.619 --> 00:44:44.539 What do we do with the information that Diddy 00:44:44.539 --> 00:44:46.340 like to have fucking freak parties with baby 00:44:46.340 --> 00:44:48.699 owners? What the fuck do we do with all this 00:44:48.699 --> 00:44:50.820 information? Well, Diddy's in jail right now, 00:44:50.820 --> 00:44:52.179 so they did that with the information. Well, 00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:54.239 Diddy's in jail for doing something that a lot 00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:57.920 of people... I... Let me tell you something, 00:44:58.039 --> 00:45:01.820 Joe. Tell me something. I was riding with Diddy 00:45:01.820 --> 00:45:03.860 for once. I liked the music he did and everything. 00:45:03.960 --> 00:45:07.119 I don't know Diddy like that. But when I first 00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:13.260 read the definition of sex trafficking, right? 00:45:13.500 --> 00:45:15.480 I'm sure you're a versed person. You're smart. 00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:19.380 The definition of sex trafficking, to transport 00:45:19.380 --> 00:45:23.059 a woman across state lines with the intent to 00:45:23.059 --> 00:45:25.199 have sexual intercourse with her. Right. When 00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:29.170 you're paying them. It's trafficking is... No, 00:45:29.269 --> 00:45:33.329 that's not actually... Really? This is my... 00:45:33.329 --> 00:45:34.809 Jamie, you can pull this up. Wait a minute. So 00:45:34.809 --> 00:45:37.389 if you are dating a girl and she lives in Minnesota 00:45:37.389 --> 00:45:40.389 and you live in California and you fly her to 00:45:40.389 --> 00:45:43.150 California, that's sex trafficking? And I'm thinking 00:45:43.150 --> 00:45:45.670 about... I don't think that's true. I don't think 00:45:45.670 --> 00:45:47.710 that's true at all. I think that's just flying 00:45:47.710 --> 00:45:49.449 a girl in that you're having a relationship with. 00:45:49.449 --> 00:45:51.170 In the streets they call it fluid out. Fluid 00:45:51.170 --> 00:45:53.130 out. Yeah, but that's normal. Everybody does 00:45:53.130 --> 00:45:55.849 that. But that's the definition. Commercial sex 00:45:55.849 --> 00:45:59.550 act. Yeah, commercial. Commercial sex act. Induced 00:45:59.550 --> 00:46:03.050 by force, fraud, or coercion. Well, coercion's 00:46:03.050 --> 00:46:05.630 crazy. Because coercion is like, please, I'll 00:46:05.630 --> 00:46:08.250 buy you a bag. That's sex trafficking. That's 00:46:08.250 --> 00:46:11.150 a date. Right. If there's a girl, she's like, 00:46:11.210 --> 00:46:12.670 what are you going to do for me? Like, you know 00:46:12.670 --> 00:46:14.769 those shoes you want? I got those shoes for you. 00:46:14.789 --> 00:46:17.610 Let's go shopping. Like that's kind of sex trafficking 00:46:17.610 --> 00:46:21.449 if that's coercion for money. Like if a girl's 00:46:21.449 --> 00:46:23.909 thinking about coming out to visit you and then 00:46:23.909 --> 00:46:25.869 you go, listen, listen, listen. What are you 00:46:25.869 --> 00:46:28.050 looking for? What do you want to buy? I got money. 00:46:28.210 --> 00:46:30.969 Come on. Let's go shopping. That kind of would 00:46:30.969 --> 00:46:34.050 fall into that category. But we're getting off 00:46:34.050 --> 00:46:36.150 topic. Let's go back to the topic originally 00:46:36.150 --> 00:46:39.050 in hand. The reason why these comedians are negative. 00:46:39.389 --> 00:46:41.210 No, no, no, no. You're not going to get in trouble 00:46:41.210 --> 00:46:43.730 for sex trafficking. Listen, that's all horseshit. 00:46:43.750 --> 00:46:46.630 But the reason why these comedians are doing 00:46:46.630 --> 00:46:49.989 it is because they're never bigger than the comedians 00:46:49.989 --> 00:46:52.929 they're shitting on. Never. One thousand percent. 00:46:53.110 --> 00:46:54.610 One thousand percent. And you know what it is, 00:46:54.650 --> 00:46:56.949 Joe? And they're never good. You know what it 00:46:56.949 --> 00:47:01.010 is, too, Joe? Is that. Deep down inside, they 00:47:01.010 --> 00:47:05.309 want to be that person. 100%. Or they want to 00:47:05.309 --> 00:47:07.329 be in the position that person's in is a better 00:47:07.329 --> 00:47:09.510 way of putting it. I'll use this. I'll tell you 00:47:09.510 --> 00:47:12.110 this story. I realize, not to say names, but 00:47:12.110 --> 00:47:14.530 there's so many people that could be guilty of 00:47:14.530 --> 00:47:16.869 it. And this is the thing that I hear that understands 00:47:16.869 --> 00:47:23.050 me, that disturbs me, is that, you know, a lot 00:47:23.050 --> 00:47:25.739 of these people that bitch the most. They, at 00:47:25.739 --> 00:47:28.880 some point in their career, they were favored 00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:31.679 by Hollywood. Yes. At some point in their career, 00:47:31.780 --> 00:47:34.219 they had these opportunities. At some point in 00:47:34.219 --> 00:47:36.599 their career, guess what? They had the agencies. 00:47:36.760 --> 00:47:39.380 They had the agents. And something happened in 00:47:39.380 --> 00:47:42.239 their career where they fell out of favor for 00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:44.059 whatever you want to call that. Whatever you 00:47:44.059 --> 00:47:45.960 want to call that. For whatever. Maybe something 00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:48.619 they did. Agency didn't like them too much. And 00:47:48.619 --> 00:47:51.420 now everything that they wrote on, everything 00:47:51.420 --> 00:47:54.559 they wanted to do, now it's all... that's fucked 00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:56.139 up and the only way you get this opportunity 00:47:56.139 --> 00:47:58.460 because it has to be sexual favors and all that 00:47:58.460 --> 00:48:00.420 type of shit. And where the fuck do you draw 00:48:00.420 --> 00:48:02.739 the line? But it's not even sexual favors. It's 00:48:02.739 --> 00:48:04.980 like they criticize the work of the other person. 00:48:05.019 --> 00:48:07.139 That person ain't shit. That person sucks. Can 00:48:07.139 --> 00:48:10.320 I, can I, yo, there's, here's the thing. There 00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:13.989 was. Come on, you get this all the time because 00:48:13.989 --> 00:48:16.269 you ride with Dave and Dave's number one, right? 00:48:16.309 --> 00:48:20.289 So you always get this label, even though you're 00:48:20.289 --> 00:48:22.710 a great comic, you get this label being a coattail 00:48:22.710 --> 00:48:26.409 rider. Right. And guess what? This is what I 00:48:26.409 --> 00:48:29.750 try to explain to people, Joe. Everybody does 00:48:29.750 --> 00:48:35.329 not have to be Batman. I don't have a problem 00:48:35.329 --> 00:48:38.530 with being Robin. You know why? Because Robin 00:48:38.530 --> 00:48:40.670 got the same amount of screen time as Batman. 00:48:41.769 --> 00:48:43.989 And the reason why I say this is what I get, 00:48:44.050 --> 00:48:45.829 and I'm telling you this, Joe, I don't know if 00:48:45.829 --> 00:48:50.849 this gum is kicking in. This is what fucks me 00:48:50.849 --> 00:48:53.929 up, Joe. This is what fucks me up. And I'll tell 00:48:53.929 --> 00:48:55.449 you an example. I'm going to give you an example. 00:48:55.449 --> 00:48:56.989 Don't give me examples. No, I'm going to tell 00:48:56.989 --> 00:48:58.429 you. Are you pulling out your phone? I'm going 00:48:58.429 --> 00:49:01.150 to tell you why. Because your fucking shirt is 00:49:01.150 --> 00:49:04.030 fucking triggering me right now. Kill Tony? You 00:49:04.030 --> 00:49:06.750 mean the greatest comedy show of all time in 00:49:06.750 --> 00:49:08.250 the history of the known universe? I know that, 00:49:08.349 --> 00:49:11.030 but there's a lot of lies involved. Okay, listen. 00:49:11.429 --> 00:49:14.389 This is what they say. This is what they say. 00:49:14.469 --> 00:49:16.929 Don't pay attention to what they say. Why are 00:49:16.929 --> 00:49:21.989 you doing that? What are you playing? Chappelle's 00:49:21.989 --> 00:49:26.670 butt plug is acting up again. Oh, God! Yo, I 00:49:26.670 --> 00:49:29.090 got to deal with this shit. What is so hard? 00:49:29.130 --> 00:49:31.269 No. Well, you got to stop paying attention to 00:49:31.269 --> 00:49:33.489 it. It's so hard. Do you know what would happen 00:49:33.489 --> 00:49:35.610 to me if I paid attention to all the haters that 00:49:35.610 --> 00:49:38.409 I have? Yeah. I would go crazy. You would. Do 00:49:38.409 --> 00:49:40.250 you think that you paid attention to those haters? 00:49:40.349 --> 00:49:42.050 Now, you're in a position right now, you have 00:49:42.050 --> 00:49:43.769 so many reasons to say fuck them. Do you feel 00:49:43.769 --> 00:49:46.429 like you had that same belief when you was first 00:49:46.429 --> 00:49:49.860 starting this? Did you engage them then? Well, 00:49:50.019 --> 00:49:53.019 I engaged online with a lot of people in the 00:49:53.019 --> 00:49:55.940 early days because I didn't understand what you're 00:49:55.940 --> 00:49:58.239 doing is you're engaging with people that don't 00:49:58.239 --> 00:50:00.699 have happy lives. Right. And they're negative. 00:50:00.820 --> 00:50:03.639 And there's some criticisms that are good for 00:50:03.639 --> 00:50:06.239 you because some criticisms make you evaluate 00:50:06.239 --> 00:50:07.960 what you're doing and say, OK, well, what I need 00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:10.460 to do is be undeniable. So these critics mean 00:50:10.460 --> 00:50:12.880 nothing to me because you can't. I'm killing. 00:50:13.099 --> 00:50:15.340 The audience loves me. I'm selling out everywhere. 00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:19.099 I'm doing great on stage. You can't pay attention. 00:50:19.099 --> 00:50:21.639 You know what? I will say this. I hear you, Joe. 00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:23.619 I tried that with them motherfuckers on your 00:50:23.619 --> 00:50:26.820 shirt. You had a bad show. You had one bad show. 00:50:26.920 --> 00:50:29.780 I never had. You had a bad show. You had a bad 00:50:29.780 --> 00:50:31.500 show. Please don't do this to me. You did. You 00:50:31.500 --> 00:50:33.199 had that one bad show where you went back and 00:50:33.199 --> 00:50:34.739 forth. I did not fucking have a bad show. Did 00:50:34.739 --> 00:50:39.940 you walk off the show? Listen, man. Sit the fuck 00:50:39.940 --> 00:50:42.260 down. Sit the fuck down. I did not fucking walk 00:50:42.260 --> 00:50:46.090 off the show. You want me to play it back? Please 00:50:46.090 --> 00:50:49.030 don't do this. You were a little drunk. Who was 00:50:49.030 --> 00:50:53.849 the comic? I don't know his name. He's funny. 00:50:54.070 --> 00:50:57.269 Whoever that dude is, he's funny. You know what 00:50:57.269 --> 00:51:00.489 you're doing. You're being a provocateur right 00:51:00.489 --> 00:51:03.590 now. You're provoking me because we broke this 00:51:03.590 --> 00:51:05.690 shit down. And I don't want to keep going through 00:51:05.690 --> 00:51:07.150 this. I didn't think of this when I was wearing 00:51:07.150 --> 00:51:09.070 this shirt. I'll change the shirt. No, it's okay. 00:51:09.150 --> 00:51:10.809 Put something over it. I'll wear a Benny the 00:51:10.809 --> 00:51:14.469 Jet shirt. Let's break it down, Joe. Oh, we don't 00:51:14.469 --> 00:51:17.449 have to. We have to. You started this shit. All 00:51:17.449 --> 00:51:19.969 right? Thank you. I'm going to change my shirt 00:51:19.969 --> 00:51:23.530 right now. It's like I didn't have a bad show. 00:51:23.730 --> 00:51:25.449 You definitely didn't have a great show, right? 00:51:26.170 --> 00:51:37.099 When you walk off, it's not good. I feel like 00:51:37.099 --> 00:51:39.480 Carrie. They're all going to laugh at me. They're 00:51:39.480 --> 00:51:43.860 going to laugh at me. It wasn't this for the 00:51:43.860 --> 00:51:47.360 last fucking time, Joe. For the last fucking 00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:51.579 time. And this is what's so fucking evil about 00:51:51.579 --> 00:51:53.440 this situation. There's some people call it a 00:51:53.440 --> 00:51:57.679 bad show. I never wanted to do this show. But 00:51:57.679 --> 00:51:59.300 you came back on. You had a good show, right? 00:51:59.719 --> 00:52:03.119 I want to go back. Let's rewind. All right? And 00:52:03.119 --> 00:52:06.079 this is, you were a part of it. Hey, look. I 00:52:06.079 --> 00:52:07.599 changed my shirt. No more triggering. I appreciate 00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:10.139 that. Shout out to Benny the Jet. Okay, I feel 00:52:10.139 --> 00:52:13.039 a lot better now. So, boy, I need another piece 00:52:13.039 --> 00:52:16.320 of gum. I'm going to say this. Say what it's 00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:20.360 worth. First off, I did not want, the first time 00:52:20.360 --> 00:52:23.400 I did it here in Austin. Right. I didn't want 00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:26.380 to do the show. Okay. And the reason why I didn't 00:52:26.380 --> 00:52:28.159 want to do the show, now you're not even paying 00:52:28.159 --> 00:52:29.949 attention to me. You want a cigar? Yeah, I'll 00:52:29.949 --> 00:52:32.809 take a cigar. I didn't want to do the show, and 00:52:32.809 --> 00:52:35.909 I'll tell you why. Because the streets say I'm 00:52:35.909 --> 00:52:39.769 sensitive. You are a little sensitive. Can I 00:52:39.769 --> 00:52:42.389 not have your opinion and just listen to me, 00:52:42.409 --> 00:52:47.909 please? They know I'm sensitive. It was during 00:52:47.909 --> 00:52:51.309 the pandemic, Joe, you remember. People would 00:52:51.309 --> 00:52:54.550 still come to do your podcast because they know 00:52:54.550 --> 00:52:56.349 the benefits of it and you had your thing doing. 00:52:56.510 --> 00:52:58.409 They would come to your podcast and then they 00:52:58.409 --> 00:53:00.349 would fucking leave because they didn't want 00:53:00.349 --> 00:53:02.710 to catch COVID and then they would leave Tony 00:53:02.710 --> 00:53:06.869 stranded and he had no good guests. I was here. 00:53:08.730 --> 00:53:12.969 Right? I'm talking about the time when Tony had 00:53:12.969 --> 00:53:16.650 a black band. He still has a black band. All 00:53:16.650 --> 00:53:19.070 black. There's a couple black people on there 00:53:19.070 --> 00:53:22.039 now. Me too. I think it's mostly black. Right? 00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:24.360 Okay. I want to tell a story. This is the last 00:53:24.360 --> 00:53:26.019 time I'm going to tell it. Deep Madness? I mean, 00:53:26.039 --> 00:53:27.539 name them all off. 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Look at the old... when 00:54:57.360 --> 00:55:00.019 it was all, not high production and all that 00:55:00.019 --> 00:55:02.659 type shit, Tony was like, it's hard for me to 00:55:02.659 --> 00:55:05.360 get a guess. Would you stay? And this is when 00:55:05.360 --> 00:55:07.159 you fucked me up the last time you wasn't playing 00:55:07.159 --> 00:55:09.179 fair. Yes, you did. I wasn't playing fair? No, 00:55:09.219 --> 00:55:10.800 I'm telling you when you weren't playing fair. 00:55:10.980 --> 00:55:13.179 When was I not playing fair? Can I talk? Please. 00:55:14.260 --> 00:55:16.280 All I want to do, I don't know if I got it raised 00:55:16.280 --> 00:55:17.920 in my head. I just want to be able to speak. 00:55:18.300 --> 00:55:22.670 It is my month. It's my fucking month. Tony said, 00:55:22.750 --> 00:55:23.969 would you stay? Come on. I was like, you know. 00:55:24.349 --> 00:55:27.170 And I stayed, right? Okay. And I stayed. And 00:55:27.170 --> 00:55:29.090 I stayed. I was on the show for two and a half 00:55:29.090 --> 00:55:31.429 hours. I told him, this is where it gets all 00:55:31.429 --> 00:55:33.409 crazy. I told him I had something I was supposed 00:55:33.409 --> 00:55:36.610 to do later. There was another black comic that 00:55:36.610 --> 00:55:38.730 was on the show. He started roasting me. I had 00:55:38.730 --> 00:55:40.869 no problem with that. I had no problem with him 00:55:40.869 --> 00:55:42.889 roasting me. But I felt fucked up because it 00:55:42.889 --> 00:55:45.389 was only me and him. And I was trying to get 00:55:45.389 --> 00:55:47.710 this guy some sound advice. But the only way 00:55:47.710 --> 00:55:49.050 he thought he was going to get off. by fucking 00:55:49.050 --> 00:55:51.650 me. So I was like, yo, why you fucking me? We 00:55:51.650 --> 00:55:54.530 on the same, we on the fucking same team. What 00:55:54.530 --> 00:55:57.269 they did was, look at the fucking video. Okay. 00:55:57.329 --> 00:56:01.190 You see, I want you to slow it down. Slow it 00:56:01.190 --> 00:56:04.070 down. Slow the video down. It's like a Zapruder 00:56:04.070 --> 00:56:07.929 film. Back to the left. You're gonna let me get 00:56:07.929 --> 00:56:10.869 my thought, Joe. Sorry. It's so easy for me to 00:56:10.869 --> 00:56:12.909 get distracted. Just hang in there with me. Want 00:56:12.909 --> 00:56:18.599 another piece of gum? So if you look at this 00:56:18.599 --> 00:56:22.659 video, you see him saying something to me, and 00:56:22.659 --> 00:56:25.199 then when I leave, it's two different fucking 00:56:25.199 --> 00:56:29.420 comics on the fucking stage. It's the dude that 00:56:29.420 --> 00:56:31.619 I was roasting, and then they showed me the exit. 00:56:31.840 --> 00:56:34.880 And then these kill Tony bitch -ass motherfuckers, 00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:37.380 and I'm telling you, I'll get past it. They may, 00:56:37.500 --> 00:56:39.940 oh, Donnell walked off. I didn't walk off. I 00:56:39.940 --> 00:56:41.900 had some other shit to do. And then our last 00:56:41.900 --> 00:56:46.070 episode, you and your boy. Tony, he caught here, 00:56:46.170 --> 00:56:48.590 and Tony doubled down on it, and he said, no, 00:56:48.670 --> 00:56:51.050 that's not what happened. Of course, them comment 00:56:51.050 --> 00:56:52.909 motherfuckers, the ones that be putting cringe 00:56:52.909 --> 00:56:56.150 on it, they roll with it. Okay. Then I came back. 00:56:57.750 --> 00:57:01.010 Came back, you had an amazing show. Tony said 00:57:01.010 --> 00:57:02.010 it was one of the best shows he's ever done. 00:57:02.110 --> 00:57:03.570 You know why it was amazing? Because you were 00:57:03.570 --> 00:57:08.030 ready. I'm amazing. You are amazing, but also 00:57:08.030 --> 00:57:10.989 you wanted to get it back, right? I didn't have, 00:57:11.090 --> 00:57:12.469 you know what? A little bit. This is what Redman 00:57:12.469 --> 00:57:15.489 said to me. Red band. Red band. Whatever the 00:57:15.489 --> 00:57:17.170 fuck his name is. He changed too. I'm going to 00:57:17.170 --> 00:57:20.449 tell you about it. Let me tell you. I'm going 00:57:20.449 --> 00:57:21.989 to tell you the difference between him and I'm 00:57:21.989 --> 00:57:23.610 going to tell you the similarities between him 00:57:23.610 --> 00:57:25.829 and Jamie a little later on, right? Okay. How 00:57:25.829 --> 00:57:29.309 they're divas now. Jamie? My Jamie's a diva? 00:57:29.309 --> 00:57:31.530 Yes. He has a false memory of someone already. 00:57:31.889 --> 00:57:35.329 Jamie is the last thing from a fucking diva. 00:57:35.949 --> 00:57:38.409 I will defend Jamie to the bitter end. Well, 00:57:38.409 --> 00:57:40.869 maybe you don't know him. I don't know Jamie. 00:57:41.250 --> 00:57:43.909 Yo, let me tell you. This is Jamie. I know Jamie 00:57:43.909 --> 00:57:47.309 better than. I know, but this is a Jamie I saw. 00:57:49.009 --> 00:57:51.230 And killed Tony after party. Sit down. You're 00:57:51.230 --> 00:57:53.309 not on camera. Okay. It was also Saturday night. 00:57:53.349 --> 00:57:56.190 Okay. He had a leather jacket on. Don't have 00:57:56.190 --> 00:57:57.369 a leather jacket. Jamie had a leather jacket. 00:57:57.409 --> 00:57:58.750 He didn't call it a leather jacket. Whatever 00:57:58.750 --> 00:58:01.170 it was. You own a leather jacket? No. Wait, wait, 00:58:01.190 --> 00:58:03.090 wait. Wait. Your collar was flipped up. You have 00:58:03.090 --> 00:58:05.329 any false memories? Joe, your collar was flipped 00:58:05.329 --> 00:58:08.429 up. Like dice. And then he had this shirt. You 00:58:08.429 --> 00:58:10.570 might have had Timmy No Breaks. Joe, Timmy No 00:58:10.570 --> 00:58:12.489 Breaks and Jamie. Joe, he had this shirt open 00:58:12.489 --> 00:58:15.650 to this button right here. Oh, right. Gold chains. 00:58:15.909 --> 00:58:17.190 And he was sitting there. I don't know what time. 00:58:17.589 --> 00:58:20.409 Jamie had gold chains, boots on his hair. Ponytail 00:58:20.409 --> 00:58:24.329 was popping. He had some type of mousse or something, 00:58:24.389 --> 00:58:26.969 right? And then he was just looking. And I was 00:58:26.969 --> 00:58:28.849 like, what's up, Jamie? He was like, uh -huh. 00:58:29.030 --> 00:58:31.130 He had his hands in his pocket. It was giving, 00:58:31.230 --> 00:58:33.809 as they say, it was giving Fonzie attitude. Wow. 00:58:34.050 --> 00:58:36.010 I knew that would change. But this is what Redman, 00:58:36.190 --> 00:58:38.769 Redman, whatever man he is. Redman. Redman, he 00:58:38.769 --> 00:58:42.489 said, after the show, he said, that might have 00:58:42.489 --> 00:58:45.599 been the most epic. come back and kill Tony History. 00:58:45.739 --> 00:58:47.280 I was like, don't. Well, the second episode was. 00:58:47.679 --> 00:58:49.679 You came back full steam. You know what you're 00:58:49.679 --> 00:58:51.980 doing? I don't know. It was great. I'm trying 00:58:51.980 --> 00:58:53.900 to use a term. I don't think this is passive 00:58:53.900 --> 00:58:55.579 wrestling, but you're fucking with my mental 00:58:55.579 --> 00:58:57.699 right now. No, I'm telling you, you're a great 00:58:57.699 --> 00:58:59.420 comic and you're funny as fuck. And when you 00:58:59.420 --> 00:59:01.199 came back, it was amazing. That's what you said. 00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:03.099 The second episode was great. This is the point 00:59:03.099 --> 00:59:05.599 I'm making of what you're doing. Right. The first 00:59:05.599 --> 00:59:13.909 episode was great. It was Dr. It was Dr. Videos. 00:59:14.670 --> 00:59:18.309 Dr. Videos. You doctored it. But then here's 00:59:18.309 --> 00:59:21.489 the thing. They said, Red Man, Red Band, he said, 00:59:21.630 --> 00:59:25.429 he said, that was the greatest comeback. I was 00:59:25.429 --> 00:59:27.269 like, it wasn't a comeback. You're editing what 00:59:27.269 --> 00:59:29.150 it was. And this is what I did. You're editing. 00:59:29.650 --> 00:59:32.329 This is what I did. And I'm not saying I think 00:59:32.329 --> 00:59:35.329 about. to kill Tony audience like that, but I 00:59:35.329 --> 00:59:37.929 thought about him. This is what I said. I was 00:59:37.929 --> 00:59:39.329 like, this is what I want. Like you said, I'm 00:59:39.329 --> 00:59:41.150 a great comment. I know what I do. I say, you 00:59:41.150 --> 00:59:42.769 know what? I don't want to give these motherfuckers 00:59:42.769 --> 00:59:44.710 an opportunity to be able to fuck with me. So 00:59:44.710 --> 00:59:47.469 I did. Before I went to that last one, I said, 00:59:47.510 --> 00:59:50.090 okay, what did you do last time that you're going 00:59:50.090 --> 00:59:51.610 to do different for anyone to say that? I was 00:59:51.610 --> 00:59:54.230 like, the last one, you had some drinks. Well, 00:59:54.329 --> 00:59:56.130 I wasn't able to do anything about that because 00:59:56.130 --> 00:59:58.269 I had some more drinks. But I was like, I tried 00:59:58.269 --> 01:00:01.250 to address what their concerns were, right? Which... 01:00:01.829 --> 01:00:03.929 And with them, it's not going to make a difference. 01:00:04.030 --> 01:00:06.869 Because I know that last episode, this is what 01:00:06.869 --> 01:00:08.710 I didn't understand about Kill Tony. I didn't 01:00:08.710 --> 01:00:10.849 understand the formula. I don't watch it like 01:00:10.849 --> 01:00:13.650 that. First time I ever did it, I was interrupting 01:00:13.650 --> 01:00:16.190 the one -minute part. You know what I mean? Oh, 01:00:16.230 --> 01:00:18.250 okay. And Tony told me, the first time I did 01:00:18.250 --> 01:00:21.460 it, he said, D, only one rule. He said, let them 01:00:21.460 --> 01:00:23.980 talk for a minute. I said, Tony, why you have 01:00:23.980 --> 01:00:25.659 me on this show? You know I'm going to break 01:00:25.659 --> 01:00:29.380 the rules. He knew that, right? But then after 01:00:29.380 --> 01:00:33.500 I was like, I understood how important it was 01:00:33.500 --> 01:00:36.449 to let those comics get that minute. Right. So 01:00:36.449 --> 01:00:38.010 when I did it a second time with Rob Schneider, 01:00:38.070 --> 01:00:41.010 I didn't interrupt. Sometimes my criticism could 01:00:41.010 --> 01:00:42.889 have been too hard. I was trying to be more supportive 01:00:42.889 --> 01:00:44.949 than anything. If you watched the last one I 01:00:44.949 --> 01:00:47.769 did, I had nothing bad to say about people in 01:00:47.769 --> 01:00:50.150 a harsh way. Certain people I knew was up there 01:00:50.150 --> 01:00:52.070 just because it was gimmick. And there were certain 01:00:52.070 --> 01:00:54.210 people I was like, oh, man, they really got talent. 01:00:54.570 --> 01:00:56.510 Like this one lady, she was an older woman. I 01:00:56.510 --> 01:00:58.389 think she's a regular there, right? I don't know 01:00:58.389 --> 01:01:00.909 what she was. But I told her, I said, you know, 01:01:00.989 --> 01:01:02.710 it's so awesome. I said, when I watch you perform, 01:01:02.909 --> 01:01:05.269 I see passion. I see somebody that's going. into 01:01:05.269 --> 01:01:07.070 a different career later in life, which is the 01:01:07.070 --> 01:01:09.969 hardest thing to do. I made those points, and 01:01:09.969 --> 01:01:12.429 I wasn't trying to be an asshole. And even, I 01:01:12.429 --> 01:01:14.170 got caught up in one, and they ran with this 01:01:14.170 --> 01:01:17.929 shit. And it's a song that, there was one of 01:01:17.929 --> 01:01:21.929 the acts by the name of Juanita. Juanita is a 01:01:21.929 --> 01:01:25.110 gender, what is it when you? Transgender? Yeah, 01:01:25.170 --> 01:01:27.510 you have a dick, but you're a girl still? Yeah. 01:01:27.769 --> 01:01:30.409 Yeah, transgender, right? So she came up with 01:01:30.409 --> 01:01:33.699 this song. And she did a song, we will praise 01:01:33.699 --> 01:01:37.199 you, praise you. And I had a couple drinks, right? 01:01:37.519 --> 01:01:39.980 And I said, and I was thinking like. Shit, you 01:01:39.980 --> 01:01:43.219 don't have headphones on. What, Jamie? I just 01:01:43.219 --> 01:01:46.539 started playing it, sorry. Oh, you geared up 01:01:46.539 --> 01:01:48.900 for that shit, huh? Put your headphones on. No, 01:01:48.900 --> 01:01:52.599 listen. Put your headphones on. Oh, God. Go. 01:01:57.900 --> 01:02:10.829 Go ahead. Wait a minute. That's Juanita's version? 01:02:11.110 --> 01:02:15.710 No. That's the real. Okay. Do you got Juanita's 01:02:15.710 --> 01:02:20.090 version? So this is what happened, Joe. So I 01:02:20.090 --> 01:02:23.289 had to cut them two, two, three, four, five Tito's 01:02:23.289 --> 01:02:27.030 in. And I'm only looking at the artist with my 01:02:27.030 --> 01:02:30.130 peripheral. I'm not staring nobody down and looking 01:02:30.130 --> 01:02:33.250 at them through the pupils or whatever. So the 01:02:33.250 --> 01:02:35.090 performer, I'm going to say that because I don't 01:02:35.090 --> 01:02:37.329 want to get anybody upset. The performer was 01:02:37.329 --> 01:02:43.139 like. Here we go. Okay. Now look how I'm not 01:02:43.139 --> 01:02:44.880 paying attention. Right? You're looking right 01:02:44.880 --> 01:02:49.280 at her. Shut the fuck up! Okay, listen. All right, 01:02:49.300 --> 01:02:56.679 we'll see. So it was very strange when in 2008... 01:02:56.679 --> 01:02:59.820 Okay. Oh, they had to cut it out too, I think. 01:03:00.440 --> 01:03:05.380 Probably the song. Yeah. That's the gayest thing 01:03:05.380 --> 01:03:14.550 I've ever done. And I do anal. Juanita. Welcome 01:03:14.550 --> 01:03:18.730 back to the show. Can I do a remix of that song 01:03:18.730 --> 01:03:21.510 for any black guy watching her right now? We 01:03:21.510 --> 01:03:28.230 will, we will fuck you. It's probably true until 01:03:28.230 --> 01:03:33.309 you find out she has a dick, Donnell. That is 01:03:33.309 --> 01:03:39.179 it. Keep it going. Don't. Keep it going. This 01:03:39.179 --> 01:04:09.929 is amazing. This is hilarious. Whereas white 01:04:09.929 --> 01:04:13.849 guys know. That's the first place the white guys 01:04:13.849 --> 01:04:21.530 look. Charlamagne's going to find that clip. 01:04:22.769 --> 01:04:27.070 We will. We will. Fuck you. You are fucked on 01:04:27.070 --> 01:04:32.389 now. I'm getting word from the streets. I'm getting 01:04:32.389 --> 01:04:41.159 word from the streets. I'm sure this happened 01:04:41.159 --> 01:04:45.179 before in Korea. Stop touching me, son! I'm sure 01:04:45.179 --> 01:04:47.239 in Korea, as an 18 -year -old boy, this is a 01:04:47.239 --> 01:04:52.360 memory coming back to you. Oh, my God. This is 01:04:52.360 --> 01:04:56.760 usually how black guys react. It's pretty. Juanita, 01:04:56.860 --> 01:04:59.980 have you been with a black man before? Keep it 01:04:59.980 --> 01:05:01.460 going, keep it going. I guess it gets even funnier. 01:05:02.480 --> 01:05:04.860 Okay, are you just saying that so that he doesn't 01:05:04.860 --> 01:05:08.059 find you and kill you? No, it's race riot. I'm 01:05:08.059 --> 01:05:12.900 just kidding. Oh, shit. Now I'm offended. No, 01:05:12.900 --> 01:05:14.900 I have been. I've been with one. He was half. 01:05:15.219 --> 01:05:21.039 Okay. He was half. Half a black. Okay. My career's 01:05:21.039 --> 01:05:34.639 over, nigga. Come on, that was funny. No, wait 01:05:34.639 --> 01:05:37.099 a minute. It was funny. And I didn't take, the 01:05:37.099 --> 01:05:39.659 funny thing about it was, I did have a couple 01:05:39.659 --> 01:05:41.119 of drinks, right? People like, how did you not 01:05:41.119 --> 01:05:43.900 know? Like, I live in the Midwest, and what I 01:05:43.900 --> 01:05:46.699 really thought it was, I know women that look 01:05:46.699 --> 01:05:50.380 just like Juanita. Sure. That in the face, it's 01:05:50.380 --> 01:05:52.860 kind of like sketchy, like a Dollar General one 01:05:52.860 --> 01:05:56.409 to two. And I wasn't offended, but it just caught 01:05:56.409 --> 01:05:58.630 me off guard. But going back to what I was saying 01:05:58.630 --> 01:06:01.170 about the Kill Tony thing, and this is another 01:06:01.170 --> 01:06:03.909 thing people said, well, Donnell, you got upset 01:06:03.909 --> 01:06:05.949 because Rob Schneider was roasting you or whatever. 01:06:06.989 --> 01:06:09.730 First off, it was the first time Rob Schneider 01:06:09.730 --> 01:06:12.010 was on the show, right? He didn't really know 01:06:12.010 --> 01:06:14.409 too much about the Kill Tony platform. I knew 01:06:14.409 --> 01:06:17.480 a little more than he did. And at the beginning, 01:06:17.599 --> 01:06:20.320 he was kind of cold, if you want to say. Not 01:06:20.320 --> 01:06:22.699 cold, like not funny, but he just wasn't warmed 01:06:22.699 --> 01:06:25.179 up to the flow. And then I started saying things. 01:06:25.400 --> 01:06:28.940 I was alley -ooping him, right? Right. Basically, 01:06:29.400 --> 01:06:31.780 people can say what they want. I helped get him 01:06:31.780 --> 01:06:33.280 comfortable in the show. And then he started 01:06:33.280 --> 01:06:37.139 crushing, right? He started crushing. And then 01:06:37.139 --> 01:06:39.760 we did. Anybody tell you that episode was amazing, 01:06:39.880 --> 01:06:41.739 right? It was amazing. But this is the thing. 01:06:41.800 --> 01:06:44.590 This is what. That platform is not a place for 01:06:44.590 --> 01:06:46.670 you to tell how you really feel about somebody, 01:06:46.909 --> 01:06:49.969 right? And I owe Tony an apology, and I'll tell 01:06:49.969 --> 01:06:55.150 you why. When Tony did the Arianne Republic National 01:06:55.150 --> 01:06:57.849 Convention, whatever, remember when he did the 01:06:57.849 --> 01:07:00.570 roasting? Yes. For that, it was a very, very 01:07:00.570 --> 01:07:04.710 testy time. Right. Politics, everybody said you 01:07:04.710 --> 01:07:06.110 shouldn't do this and everything. I told him 01:07:06.110 --> 01:07:08.409 not to do it. You told him not to do the show? 01:07:08.570 --> 01:07:10.670 Not to do the Republican Party thing. Here's 01:07:10.670 --> 01:07:12.750 the thing. This is what. Just for the people 01:07:12.750 --> 01:07:14.190 that's listening, this is what happened at the 01:07:14.190 --> 01:07:16.429 end of That Killed Tony with me and Rob Schneider. 01:07:16.849 --> 01:07:20.130 All I wanted to do, I had the question on, where 01:07:20.130 --> 01:07:22.389 do you draw the line? Do you draw the line of 01:07:22.389 --> 01:07:24.230 what people think, how you're supposed to respond 01:07:24.230 --> 01:07:27.070 to something, or are you loyal to somebody on 01:07:27.070 --> 01:07:29.610 how they treat you and how they are as a friend 01:07:29.610 --> 01:07:32.610 to you? And Tony wanted me to do that show, and 01:07:32.610 --> 01:07:34.670 any time I've called Tony, he's picked up the 01:07:34.670 --> 01:07:36.670 phone, vice versa. We've been in for each other. 01:07:37.309 --> 01:07:40.340 My publicist. I don't know if this is a good 01:07:40.340 --> 01:07:43.199 idea right now, too, because what you think is 01:07:43.199 --> 01:07:44.880 a nice gesture you want to do to show, people 01:07:44.880 --> 01:07:46.500 are going to act like it's a political stand. 01:07:46.739 --> 01:07:49.519 I didn't want that, right? You can't listen to 01:07:49.519 --> 01:07:51.900 publicists. This is what I learned now, Joe. 01:07:52.079 --> 01:07:54.159 You know what I'm saying? That was my inexperience, 01:07:54.179 --> 01:07:56.360 whatever, and something I kept calling, and I 01:07:56.360 --> 01:07:58.599 was like, what if I do this? Because I wanted 01:07:58.599 --> 01:08:01.699 to be reconnected with him, whatever, and I told 01:08:01.699 --> 01:08:05.679 Tony he was hot in a good way and a positive 01:08:05.679 --> 01:08:08.099 way. I felt so bad. I called him. I said, man, 01:08:08.960 --> 01:08:10.920 I really want to do the show, but I think people 01:08:10.920 --> 01:08:12.480 are going to take it the wrong way now, right? 01:08:12.599 --> 01:08:15.179 And this was with me. I felt bad about it. I 01:08:15.179 --> 01:08:18.399 stood up at your condo. I was on the balcony, 01:08:18.579 --> 01:08:21.420 bro. And I watched motherfuckers going to the 01:08:21.420 --> 01:08:24.720 show. I felt bad about it. I didn't do it. And 01:08:24.720 --> 01:08:26.399 the only thing I wanted to do at the end of that 01:08:26.399 --> 01:08:29.779 Kill Tony episode was to... apologize to him 01:08:29.779 --> 01:08:32.100 and say, you know, as a friend, I probably wasn't 01:08:32.100 --> 01:08:33.659 there. And he understood, even though I was like, 01:08:33.720 --> 01:08:34.699 he's never going to let me do the show again. 01:08:34.960 --> 01:08:36.960 He said, I'd love to have you there. The only 01:08:36.960 --> 01:08:39.119 issue I had with Rob Schneider, in that moment, 01:08:39.180 --> 01:08:40.960 he didn't have the sense of me trying to say 01:08:40.960 --> 01:08:43.960 something serious, right? And he was getting 01:08:43.960 --> 01:08:46.220 a laugh off this one joke, and it was at my expense. 01:08:46.640 --> 01:08:48.920 You know, when I had this moment, I was talking 01:08:48.920 --> 01:08:52.079 about friendship and everything. Rob kept on 01:08:52.079 --> 01:08:54.199 with this fucking corny joke, and I didn't want 01:08:54.199 --> 01:08:56.439 to flip out. And then people took that as like... 01:08:57.020 --> 01:09:00.539 Oh, yeah, Rob roasted him. Get the fuck out of 01:09:00.539 --> 01:09:02.720 here. I was trying to talk about, and I had this 01:09:02.720 --> 01:09:07.739 issue. You might have the same issue. Some people 01:09:07.739 --> 01:09:09.680 know people a certain way. You know them a different 01:09:09.680 --> 01:09:11.899 way. And I use an example, and I'm going to get 01:09:11.899 --> 01:09:15.020 shitted on for saying this or whatever. Like, 01:09:15.079 --> 01:09:20.359 oh, how could you say that? You gotta stop worrying 01:09:20.359 --> 01:09:21.939 about what other people think. I can't do it. 01:09:22.119 --> 01:09:24.180 I can't do it. You gotta stop worrying about 01:09:24.180 --> 01:09:26.380 what other people think. This is the conflict. 01:09:26.619 --> 01:09:29.859 You know how you feel. Just be yourself. I'll 01:09:29.859 --> 01:09:32.760 just say this. Kid Rock. Kid Rock, right? You 01:09:32.760 --> 01:09:34.979 say that name, for some people in certain places, 01:09:35.020 --> 01:09:36.520 they can go, oh, fuck him or whatever, right? 01:09:36.779 --> 01:09:40.000 I met Kid Rock some years ago when we were doing 01:09:40.000 --> 01:09:43.789 the Cornfield shows. and Yellow Springs. And 01:09:43.789 --> 01:09:45.590 I tell people, and we talked about this earlier, 01:09:45.649 --> 01:09:48.250 some people are provocateurs. I really believe 01:09:48.250 --> 01:09:51.109 Kid Rock doesn't believe half the shit he say, 01:09:51.189 --> 01:09:52.829 but I think that he knows what's going to move 01:09:52.829 --> 01:09:54.689 the dial is what's going to make him be in the 01:09:54.689 --> 01:09:56.270 headlines and what people are like, oh, shit. 01:09:56.569 --> 01:09:58.510 And he's going to stick to that. Well, we did 01:09:58.510 --> 01:10:00.090 that show in Nashville. Remember we hung out 01:10:00.090 --> 01:10:03.069 with him? Went to his house? Yeah, exactly. And 01:10:03.069 --> 01:10:05.470 with that, even when he came to the conference 01:10:05.470 --> 01:10:06.909 that time, this was the point when he said some 01:10:06.909 --> 01:10:09.470 crazy shit out of his mouth. Nobody wanted to 01:10:09.470 --> 01:10:10.930 be around him or anything, right? They was like, 01:10:10.970 --> 01:10:13.590 oh, bah, bah, bah, bah. Right. Right. You know, 01:10:13.630 --> 01:10:15.789 when I do, I do this thing called, I do river 01:10:15.789 --> 01:10:18.649 runs in Yellow Springs, Ohio. And for some reason, 01:10:18.689 --> 01:10:20.329 I take people down the river and it's like a 01:10:20.329 --> 01:10:22.449 peace thing. Like, you're in nature. Got a photo 01:10:22.449 --> 01:10:24.069 of you right outside the door. I know. I asked 01:10:24.069 --> 01:10:25.569 for that photo here, too. It's right outside 01:10:25.569 --> 01:10:28.189 the door. I love that. So, now, if you look at 01:10:28.189 --> 01:10:29.609 that photo, you'll see the energy. That's the 01:10:29.609 --> 01:10:32.430 vibe I was on. And nobody wanted to get close 01:10:32.430 --> 01:10:34.270 to Kid Rock or anything, right? And I remember 01:10:34.270 --> 01:10:36.369 as a kid how the black community accepted him 01:10:36.369 --> 01:10:38.369 in school. I'm thinking about that shit. We're 01:10:38.369 --> 01:10:41.489 riding down the river. Kid is over on one kayak. 01:10:41.630 --> 01:10:43.670 I'm on the other side. We smoking a joint. And 01:10:43.670 --> 01:10:45.470 he looked at me, and I know he was sincere when 01:10:45.470 --> 01:10:47.850 he said it. He said, man, it felt like I just 01:10:47.850 --> 01:10:51.649 had 13 hours of anger management, right? And 01:10:51.649 --> 01:10:53.630 I was like, okay, I'm not trying to be a therapist 01:10:53.630 --> 01:10:55.149 or anything, but that felt good. Then at the 01:10:55.149 --> 01:10:57.630 end, we stopped. He's flipping burgers and shit. 01:10:58.510 --> 01:11:00.470 We got to know each other. We kept in touch with 01:11:00.470 --> 01:11:03.529 each other. And he was doing a comedy festival. 01:11:04.340 --> 01:11:06.359 in Nashville, right? He appreciated me as a comedian. 01:11:06.800 --> 01:11:08.560 He said, yo, D, I'm doing this. I was like one 01:11:08.560 --> 01:11:10.279 of the first people he called, right? He said, 01:11:10.319 --> 01:11:12.800 you want to do it? I was like, why not? Then 01:11:12.800 --> 01:11:14.960 I thought about it. I was like, again, what you're 01:11:14.960 --> 01:11:15.840 saying, I was like, what people are going to 01:11:15.840 --> 01:11:18.800 think? Seven comedians on the show. I'm the only 01:11:18.800 --> 01:11:21.460 black guy. I knew what I was walking into. I 01:11:21.460 --> 01:11:26.060 knew it was going to be all maggots. It wasn't 01:11:26.060 --> 01:11:27.979 going to be a gay person. It wasn't going to 01:11:27.979 --> 01:11:30.500 be a midget. It wasn't going to be a lesbian. 01:11:31.239 --> 01:11:34.920 It wasn't going to be anything but bonafide, 01:11:34.920 --> 01:11:39.359 the real, real red, white, and blue flag motherfuckers. 01:11:39.420 --> 01:11:42.220 But I said, Donnell, can you separate, can you 01:11:42.220 --> 01:11:46.039 go up here, can you perform and be entertaining? 01:11:46.359 --> 01:11:48.680 Not shucking and jiving or none of that type 01:11:48.680 --> 01:11:51.140 of shit. I went up there, last person got a standing 01:11:51.140 --> 01:11:53.859 ovation, right, at the end of the show. This 01:11:53.859 --> 01:11:56.000 is what people might not understand, and I'm 01:11:56.000 --> 01:11:57.739 not trying to defend them or anything. At the 01:11:57.739 --> 01:12:00.600 end of the show, me and Kid Rock, in this case, 01:12:00.619 --> 01:12:02.819 I want to say, Kid Rock wasn't backstage, Bobby 01:12:02.819 --> 01:12:06.189 was. Right. And he said, man, he looked at me. 01:12:06.350 --> 01:12:09.250 He said, man, I think we just brought this country 01:12:09.250 --> 01:12:12.149 back together. Right. And I said, well, don't 01:12:12.149 --> 01:12:14.689 separate it, motherfucker. He said, OK, two weeks 01:12:14.689 --> 01:12:18.210 later, he do some other stupid shit. When when 01:12:18.210 --> 01:12:22.050 when when Trump got elected, I know people went 01:12:22.050 --> 01:12:26.550 to his page to see what his response was going 01:12:26.550 --> 01:12:29.439 to be. Was he going to gloat? We like, fuck y 01:12:29.439 --> 01:12:31.800 'all. This is America. He did this video, which 01:12:31.800 --> 01:12:35.020 I thought was so dope because it showed two sides 01:12:35.020 --> 01:12:38.779 of him. It showed Kid Rock and it showed Bobby. 01:12:38.859 --> 01:12:42.340 Right. And then how they both responded to Donald 01:12:42.340 --> 01:12:45.680 Trump being elected. The Kid Rock was the crotch 01:12:45.680 --> 01:12:48.260 grabbing motherfucker. Fuck you. Right. Then 01:12:48.260 --> 01:12:50.720 he came out. You find this. He came out as Bobby 01:12:50.720 --> 01:12:53.970 with shorts. Just. No American flags, baseball 01:12:53.970 --> 01:12:57.050 cap, fucking ring glasses or whatever. And I 01:12:57.050 --> 01:12:59.470 thought it was dope. The dialogue that he had 01:12:59.470 --> 01:13:01.670 with it, he played the victory. He said, you 01:13:01.670 --> 01:13:04.229 know, we did win. He said, but this is not a 01:13:04.229 --> 01:13:06.670 time to gloat. There's so much stuff that we 01:13:06.670 --> 01:13:10.130 need to do. He said, all sides want to get to 01:13:10.130 --> 01:13:12.770 a certain place, but we have different ideas 01:13:12.770 --> 01:13:15.250 on how we're going to get there. I thought that 01:13:15.250 --> 01:13:17.350 for whatever people want to think, I thought 01:13:17.350 --> 01:13:20.649 that was showing another side. And also I told 01:13:20.649 --> 01:13:22.239 him. Because I would talk to him off and on. 01:13:22.359 --> 01:13:25.439 I said, you know what song you should do? You 01:13:25.439 --> 01:13:29.680 should do Nina Simone's song, Misunderstood. 01:13:30.659 --> 01:13:33.140 Right? Just sing that shit. But I know he wouldn't 01:13:33.140 --> 01:13:36.340 never do that because the bass that really supports 01:13:36.340 --> 01:13:40.579 the mic, oh, he's soft now. The point I'm making, 01:13:40.699 --> 01:13:43.579 even though with Tony, with the situation, I 01:13:43.579 --> 01:13:45.720 consider Tony a good friend of mine for different 01:13:45.720 --> 01:13:47.920 reasons, right? That's why I wanted to have that 01:13:47.920 --> 01:13:50.829 moment to say that. But Rob Schneider. As much 01:13:50.829 --> 01:13:52.170 as they say I took away from moments on that 01:13:52.170 --> 01:13:54.289 show, he took away from that moment. I wasn't 01:13:54.289 --> 01:13:55.869 trying to be a bitch. I wasn't trying to be soft. 01:13:55.949 --> 01:13:58.390 I wanted to say I apologize because sometimes 01:13:58.390 --> 01:14:00.029 friendships got to be stronger than that, and 01:14:00.029 --> 01:14:02.210 that's where I was with that. And as much as 01:14:02.210 --> 01:14:06.250 I don't need the Kill Tony show, and this is 01:14:06.250 --> 01:14:08.369 what I always say about that show. I said that 01:14:08.369 --> 01:14:11.569 reminds me, Kill Tony reminds me of the Def Jam 01:14:11.569 --> 01:14:14.289 era, right? And when I say that, there was a 01:14:14.289 --> 01:14:17.920 platform for undiscovered talent. people that 01:14:17.920 --> 01:14:20.659 you've never seen for, it's such a spectacle. 01:14:21.039 --> 01:14:23.819 Like Def Jam, it was people that didn't have 01:14:23.819 --> 01:14:26.380 the skill set to fucking go headline, but they 01:14:26.380 --> 01:14:29.380 was being seen. Same thing with Kill Tony. Is 01:14:29.380 --> 01:14:31.220 your phone on? Is your phone on? Sorry, shut 01:14:31.220 --> 01:14:34.159 up. This is what I appreciate about this show, 01:14:34.220 --> 01:14:37.220 for whoever likes it or whatever, it's a platform 01:14:37.220 --> 01:14:40.350 to get on. I travel around the country. It used 01:14:40.350 --> 01:14:42.109 to be, you remember back in the day, it was like, 01:14:42.149 --> 01:14:43.810 oh, I need to be on Letterman. I need to be on 01:14:43.810 --> 01:14:47.050 Carson or whatever. That is the, I got to get 01:14:47.050 --> 01:14:50.590 on Kill Tone. 100%. And in some cases, there's 01:14:50.590 --> 01:14:52.270 some good and bad to that. There's some people 01:14:52.270 --> 01:14:53.750 that was ready for it. There's some people like, 01:14:53.850 --> 01:14:55.869 you know what? You had two or three minutes worth 01:14:55.869 --> 01:14:57.210 of jokes. You know what I'm saying? You're not 01:14:57.210 --> 01:14:59.789 ready. But it gave people some hope. When I was 01:14:59.789 --> 01:15:01.430 staying at the hotel the other day, three people 01:15:01.430 --> 01:15:04.850 traveled across the country with the hopes of 01:15:04.850 --> 01:15:09.630 that. So I know how important that show is. Is 01:15:09.630 --> 01:15:12.090 it the fan base? I want them to be like, oh, 01:15:12.170 --> 01:15:16.850 I can't wait to see him. But for me, I always, 01:15:16.949 --> 01:15:18.930 my whole career, Joe, I always wanted to be around 01:15:18.930 --> 01:15:22.090 the people, the places that they say the best 01:15:22.090 --> 01:15:24.710 comedians perform. When I started, when I was 01:15:24.710 --> 01:15:27.390 in New York, I wanted to get passed at the Comedy 01:15:27.390 --> 01:15:30.109 Cellar, not because I wanted to be a cellar dweller. 01:15:30.329 --> 01:15:32.310 I didn't want to be the guy in the back fucking 01:15:32.310 --> 01:15:34.539 just. every weekend just sit back there tell 01:15:34.539 --> 01:15:37.279 them what story i was like if this is where the 01:15:37.279 --> 01:15:40.039 best comics perform i want to be a part of that 01:15:40.039 --> 01:15:42.199 i want to be past that because when i got past 01:15:42.199 --> 01:15:44.460 in the comedy cellar it wasn't a lot of black 01:15:44.460 --> 01:15:47.460 comedians working excelling it was greer barnes 01:15:47.460 --> 01:15:51.060 it was keith robinson r .i .p it was william 01:15:51.060 --> 01:15:54.680 stevenson patrice patrice Dave Chappelle. In 01:15:54.680 --> 01:15:58.300 fact, Barry Katz had a room, Boston Comedy Club, 01:15:58.420 --> 01:16:00.819 and it was Black Night on Sundays, right? The 01:16:00.819 --> 01:16:02.199 black comedians would look at me like, they'd 01:16:02.199 --> 01:16:04.220 say, where you going? I was like, I got a spot 01:16:04.220 --> 01:16:05.880 at the cellar. They're like, how the fuck did 01:16:05.880 --> 01:16:07.819 you get in the cellar? The way I got into it 01:16:07.819 --> 01:16:10.319 was... Put the work in. I hung out. Got a couple 01:16:10.319 --> 01:16:11.739 of recommendations. And when it's time for me 01:16:11.739 --> 01:16:13.880 to showcase, I did my thing. But the minute I 01:16:13.880 --> 01:16:15.539 got past in the cellar, I didn't really care 01:16:15.539 --> 01:16:16.960 about working there all the time. I just wanted 01:16:16.960 --> 01:16:19.800 to be validated as like, this is the spot. Same 01:16:19.800 --> 01:16:21.500 thing. I get it. You know, same thing with the 01:16:21.500 --> 01:16:23.060 comedy store. Same thing with what you're doing 01:16:23.060 --> 01:16:26.390 here. It was that part of it. I get it. Grant 01:16:26.390 --> 01:16:28.329 Barnes is probably one of the most underappreciated 01:16:28.329 --> 01:16:30.170 talents in the country. But you know what? I've 01:16:30.170 --> 01:16:32.989 known that dude for 30 years. He's a funny motherfucker, 01:16:33.250 --> 01:16:35.170 and he's been funny forever. You know, it's so 01:16:35.170 --> 01:16:37.170 funny that you said underappreciated because, 01:16:37.250 --> 01:16:40.149 you know, you know comedians that put the work 01:16:40.149 --> 01:16:41.789 in or whatever. It's a phrase that people use, 01:16:41.869 --> 01:16:43.369 underrated, but then you've got to ask who rated. 01:16:43.449 --> 01:16:45.789 You didn't use those words. You said underappreciated. 01:16:46.069 --> 01:16:49.899 But he is. I don't know. Sometimes you got to 01:16:49.899 --> 01:16:52.020 ask yourself. He's not underrated by comics. 01:16:52.279 --> 01:16:54.479 He's underappreciated by audience members for 01:16:54.479 --> 01:16:56.560 whatever reason. I think it's a social media 01:16:56.560 --> 01:16:58.680 thing. I just think he doesn't have a big presence 01:16:58.680 --> 01:17:01.539 on social media for whatever reason. He's a solid, 01:17:01.619 --> 01:17:04.319 solid fucking comic, though. Always has been. 01:17:04.760 --> 01:17:06.840 And a solid guy. And a good dude. But that's 01:17:06.840 --> 01:17:08.680 another thing. This is the era that we in right 01:17:08.680 --> 01:17:11.140 now, and it's like, and you notice, it's even 01:17:11.140 --> 01:17:14.460 more so now, the most talented people aren't 01:17:14.460 --> 01:17:17.779 getting the shots if you don't know how to evolve. 01:17:18.260 --> 01:17:20.840 Well, it's not even just that, because, like, 01:17:20.859 --> 01:17:22.800 look at Dave, not Dave Chappelle, excuse me, 01:17:22.800 --> 01:17:25.039 Dave Attell. Dave Attell, I think, is one of 01:17:25.039 --> 01:17:27.579 the funniest dudes who's ever lived. Ever. Ever. 01:17:27.760 --> 01:17:29.800 One of the best comics ever in the history of 01:17:29.800 --> 01:17:33.199 comedy. And mostly does clubs. He does theaters 01:17:33.199 --> 01:17:35.600 and stuff like that. He should be sold out arenas 01:17:35.600 --> 01:17:38.000 all across the country. But he does not promote 01:17:38.000 --> 01:17:41.079 himself. He's not into social media. He doesn't 01:17:41.079 --> 01:17:45.180 do much other than specials. I think Attell would 01:17:45.180 --> 01:17:48.039 be... Petrified. Not that he couldn't do it. 01:17:48.100 --> 01:17:50.039 And it was probably, remember with the show he 01:17:50.039 --> 01:17:51.640 had, what was it, the late night show? That was 01:17:51.640 --> 01:17:53.619 before anybody was doing it. Yeah. The late night 01:17:53.619 --> 01:17:56.819 show, he'd go to bars and stuff like that. Insomniac. 01:17:56.859 --> 01:17:58.300 Yeah, Insomniac. This was before everybody was 01:17:58.300 --> 01:18:01.140 doing it. I don't think that some people, they 01:18:01.140 --> 01:18:03.939 like, I think he's always going to make millions 01:18:03.939 --> 01:18:06.060 of dollars touring or whatever. But I think his 01:18:06.060 --> 01:18:08.689 comfort zone is like, he's a. Not a club act, 01:18:08.829 --> 01:18:11.149 but he's a club comment. I think the best thing 01:18:11.149 --> 01:18:14.069 for him he ever wants to be is in front of 250 01:18:14.069 --> 01:18:16.489 to 500 people. Well, he's awesome in that, but 01:18:16.489 --> 01:18:19.369 he does like when Burt does arenas, he does arenas 01:18:19.369 --> 01:18:22.550 and he murders in arenas. I think the real thing 01:18:22.550 --> 01:18:25.310 with him is that he's just focused on his craft 01:18:25.310 --> 01:18:28.489 only. And the props that he gets from other comedians 01:18:28.489 --> 01:18:30.710 on podcasts and things along those lines is what 01:18:30.710 --> 01:18:33.470 really fuels his popularity. And then when people 01:18:33.470 --> 01:18:35.449 go to see him, just word of mouth. Do you think 01:18:35.449 --> 01:18:38.750 some people might be? afraid of a certain level 01:18:38.750 --> 01:18:40.930 of fame that they don't want to have? There is 01:18:40.930 --> 01:18:43.090 that. But I don't think he's that. I just don't 01:18:43.090 --> 01:18:44.510 think he thinks about it. I mean, he doesn't 01:18:44.510 --> 01:18:47.050 even have a phone. Like, he carries a flip phone 01:18:47.050 --> 01:18:48.930 with him all the time. He has an iPhone that 01:18:48.930 --> 01:18:51.310 he, like, stores away, and sometimes he uses 01:18:51.310 --> 01:18:54.109 it. But when you text him, he texts you on, like, 01:18:54.170 --> 01:18:55.989 do -do -do -do -do, where you got to press four 01:18:55.989 --> 01:18:56.890 times to get an S. You know what it is, though, 01:18:56.890 --> 01:18:58.649 Joe? You know what it is, right? Well, he doesn't 01:18:58.649 --> 01:19:00.569 want to be distracted. He's in the Epstein files. 01:19:03.750 --> 01:19:05.949 He doesn't want to be distracted. You need to 01:19:05.949 --> 01:19:08.369 burn a phone. If you heavily in the Epstein files. 01:19:09.729 --> 01:19:11.329 He's only in the Epstein files because he was 01:19:11.329 --> 01:19:13.649 on a lineup that Epstein was going to go see 01:19:13.649 --> 01:19:16.710 at the cellar. I think Dave Attell. Louis J. 01:19:16.810 --> 01:19:19.710 Gomez is on that too. I like him. I think Dave 01:19:19.710 --> 01:19:23.550 Attell is like, I think Dave Attell's ultimate 01:19:23.550 --> 01:19:27.630 happiness is being on stage. Shut your fucking 01:19:27.630 --> 01:19:29.869 phone off, man. Put that shit on silent. Just 01:19:29.869 --> 01:19:31.810 put it on silent. Do you know how to do that? 01:19:32.189 --> 01:19:33.029 You don't know how to do that. Don't disrespect 01:19:33.029 --> 01:19:35.029 me like that. Put it on Do Not Disturb. You know 01:19:35.029 --> 01:19:36.449 how to do that? It's okay. It's off. It's off. 01:19:36.630 --> 01:19:38.449 Okay, it keeps dinging, you popular motherfucker. 01:19:39.130 --> 01:19:42.489 I think some people, I think, my opinion, David 01:19:42.489 --> 01:19:45.569 Till, his comfort zone is fucking just being 01:19:45.569 --> 01:19:49.170 as incognito as he tries to be. It's just like, 01:19:49.250 --> 01:19:51.569 oh, I came up with this. I don't know anybody 01:19:51.569 --> 01:19:54.569 that turns over material. There's certain comments 01:19:54.569 --> 01:19:57.029 you look at, Joe, and you're like, God damn, 01:19:57.210 --> 01:20:00.350 this motherfucker's constantly trying. Yeah, 01:20:00.350 --> 01:20:04.529 always. Like, When I work with Dave, he forces 01:20:04.529 --> 01:20:06.850 me to do that. Dion Cole is another guy. When 01:20:06.850 --> 01:20:09.229 I watch Dion Cole does like at the Hollywood 01:20:09.229 --> 01:20:11.109 Improv, I think maybe three times a week, he'd 01:20:11.109 --> 01:20:12.630 just have a Monday night and he'd just use it 01:20:12.630 --> 01:20:15.130 as a workout, right? Me, when I go into a spot, 01:20:15.289 --> 01:20:17.989 I'm trying to beat the fuck, I'm trying to beat 01:20:17.989 --> 01:20:20.159 it up. So sometimes I get distracted on what 01:20:20.159 --> 01:20:21.739 I'm really there for that's to work out new material. 01:20:22.119 --> 01:20:25.340 There's a different level where you just like, 01:20:25.460 --> 01:20:26.960 you know what, I could deal with the silence. 01:20:27.159 --> 01:20:28.680 I could deal with something not working. And 01:20:28.680 --> 01:20:30.760 when I watch people like him, there's another 01:20:30.760 --> 01:20:33.800 comedian in L .A. by the name of Malik S. that 01:20:33.800 --> 01:20:36.199 doesn't have all that notoriety like that, but 01:20:36.199 --> 01:20:38.199 when I see him, I'm like, damn, every time I 01:20:38.199 --> 01:20:40.520 see this motherfucker, he's working on some new 01:20:40.520 --> 01:20:42.159 shit and has the same passion. Everybody doesn't 01:20:42.159 --> 01:20:44.600 have that. That's why David Till will always 01:20:44.600 --> 01:20:48.340 give other comics something to like. tried to 01:20:48.340 --> 01:20:50.039 achieve because you're like, you ain't going 01:20:50.039 --> 01:20:52.319 to see him doing the same shit. It's always a 01:20:52.319 --> 01:20:55.399 flip. And that's what makes him who he is. And 01:20:55.399 --> 01:20:57.180 that's why he gets so respected by so many comedians. 01:20:57.180 --> 01:21:00.779 Well, he's only focused on his craft. Whereas 01:21:00.779 --> 01:21:03.140 some people are really focused on social media 01:21:03.140 --> 01:21:05.359 and promotions and they have a guy that films 01:21:05.359 --> 01:21:08.119 them doing a bunch of wild things and edits with 01:21:08.119 --> 01:21:11.939 music. I've never seen so many comedians have 01:21:11.939 --> 01:21:15.359 full -out production crews with them. Right. 01:21:15.680 --> 01:21:18.899 On an intro. I know. On stage. They think that 01:21:18.899 --> 01:21:20.840 that's what they need. You know, they think that's 01:21:20.840 --> 01:21:22.340 what they need to separate them. And it does 01:21:22.340 --> 01:21:26.300 get them attention. But what it takes away, it 01:21:26.300 --> 01:21:29.539 does draw some focus away from what you're trying 01:21:29.539 --> 01:21:31.600 to do, which is work on your shit and come up 01:21:31.600 --> 01:21:33.260 with new stuff. Where a towel doesn't have any 01:21:33.260 --> 01:21:35.420 of that. But with that said, it takes away. But 01:21:35.420 --> 01:21:38.659 then it also lets you know who the special people 01:21:38.659 --> 01:21:42.060 are. Right now, fucking my goddamn. The guy that 01:21:42.060 --> 01:21:44.380 serves as my pool and should say he's got a special 01:21:44.380 --> 01:21:46.960 coming out. I don't know who doesn't have a special 01:21:46.960 --> 01:21:49.479 coming out. And the thing about it is like, now, 01:21:49.520 --> 01:21:52.020 Joe, you know it. Specials aren't, if you really 01:21:52.020 --> 01:21:54.140 look at it, specials aren't special anymore. 01:21:54.359 --> 01:21:57.060 It's special. It's a weird word, right? Specials 01:21:57.060 --> 01:22:00.039 are a weird word. It's special. I got a new special. 01:22:00.220 --> 01:22:03.500 Like, no other art form calls it a special. Like, 01:22:03.500 --> 01:22:05.779 if someone like Taylor Swift puts out a concert 01:22:05.779 --> 01:22:09.039 video, it's a video of her performance. You know, 01:22:09.060 --> 01:22:12.039 a musician puts out a video, it's that. It's 01:22:12.039 --> 01:22:14.939 like for a comic, we got a weird word, special. 01:22:15.100 --> 01:22:17.600 You know what special is now? When you get excited 01:22:17.600 --> 01:22:20.140 about special, if people still do that, it's 01:22:20.140 --> 01:22:21.960 who's putting it out. It's special people that 01:22:21.960 --> 01:22:25.399 do it. It's special people that are like, Sebastian, 01:22:25.859 --> 01:22:27.659 he's doing it special. You know what I'm saying? 01:22:28.100 --> 01:22:30.779 Fucking Tom does a special. It's special people 01:22:30.779 --> 01:22:33.020 where you know it's special. And a lot of them 01:22:33.020 --> 01:22:34.960 now, it's just people that's doing 45 minutes 01:22:34.960 --> 01:22:38.159 worth of comedy. No beginning, no middle, no 01:22:38.159 --> 01:22:40.220 end, no point of view. You don't know anything 01:22:40.220 --> 01:22:42.359 about them. It's just like the same way they 01:22:42.359 --> 01:22:45.380 do photo dumps. It's just like joke dumps. But 01:22:45.380 --> 01:22:49.060 I'll just say, and I'm not, people say Dave Chappelle's 01:22:49.060 --> 01:22:52.140 a butt player. But one thing I could say, however 01:22:52.140 --> 01:22:55.029 you... Dave Chappelle's a what? No, I'm Dave 01:22:55.029 --> 01:22:56.930 Chappelle's butt plug. I'm going back to, that's 01:22:56.930 --> 01:22:59.770 what people, you know. You gotta stop listening 01:22:59.770 --> 01:23:03.010 to what other people say. Joe, I'm second weighing 01:23:03.010 --> 01:23:08.430 into a story. Is it about Jamie wearing a Fonzie 01:23:08.430 --> 01:23:14.010 jacket? Hey! He's got them in all colors. He's 01:23:14.010 --> 01:23:15.350 got them in all colors. He's got a red, white, 01:23:15.369 --> 01:23:17.850 and blue one. He took it off before the show. 01:23:17.970 --> 01:23:21.029 People get so critical, but at a certain point, 01:23:21.170 --> 01:23:26.550 people, evolve. People that, you know them a 01:23:26.550 --> 01:23:28.050 certain way, but then you talk about a person 01:23:28.050 --> 01:23:30.970 who has a 35, 40 year career, like people like, 01:23:31.069 --> 01:23:34.210 well, this last special so -and -so did, it wasn't 01:23:34.210 --> 01:23:36.850 that funny. But how often, how long are you going 01:23:36.850 --> 01:23:39.170 to just be like rip -roaring funny? Some people 01:23:39.170 --> 01:23:41.569 have a position where when they talk, people 01:23:41.569 --> 01:23:44.289 listen. And I look at, I use Dave as an example. 01:23:44.550 --> 01:23:47.789 If you look at all this special, 20 years from 01:23:47.789 --> 01:23:50.810 now, right, you're having Netflix and chill day 01:23:50.810 --> 01:23:54.100 or whatever. If you play all the special that 01:23:54.100 --> 01:23:57.859 Dave ever did, you would know exactly what was 01:23:57.859 --> 01:24:00.899 going on in the world at that time. You know 01:24:00.899 --> 01:24:02.319 what I mean? Right. You know what's going on. 01:24:02.340 --> 01:24:04.020 Some people put out singles. They got one or 01:24:04.020 --> 01:24:08.079 two jokes. And some people put out albums. He's 01:24:08.079 --> 01:24:10.380 one of those people. Sebastian is another one. 01:24:10.479 --> 01:24:12.680 And you look at, like, you see how his comedy 01:24:12.680 --> 01:24:14.920 is involved. People get older. They have different 01:24:14.920 --> 01:24:16.880 perspective on life. And that's what you have 01:24:16.880 --> 01:24:19.750 to fucking accept him for. But we don't. We don't 01:24:19.750 --> 01:24:22.010 do that. Right. And another thing, I don't know 01:24:22.010 --> 01:24:26.489 if this is prevalent in your community. And when 01:24:26.489 --> 01:24:28.689 I say that, your community is a lot of people. 01:24:28.750 --> 01:24:33.850 But my community, man, it's just so much dumb 01:24:33.850 --> 01:24:39.829 beef. And I've, it's only one white beef I've 01:24:39.829 --> 01:24:43.829 ever known about, and that's yours. Mine? Yes. 01:24:45.090 --> 01:24:47.270 What do you mean? The beef that you had with, 01:24:47.289 --> 01:24:49.060 I don't even know. With Benzina? Yeah, years 01:24:49.060 --> 01:24:51.159 ago. Well, that was the same thing like with 01:24:51.159 --> 01:24:54.680 Cat. Like some shit just has to be exposed. That 01:24:54.680 --> 01:24:57.039 was a real problem, man. You weren't around the 01:24:57.039 --> 01:24:59.739 store back then, but it was a real problem where 01:24:59.739 --> 01:25:02.840 he had that special or that show rather on Comedy 01:25:02.840 --> 01:25:05.340 Central after Dave left, which was basically 01:25:05.340 --> 01:25:08.979 doing his version of Dave's sketches. And he 01:25:08.979 --> 01:25:11.800 was. Do you think it was his version of Dave's 01:25:11.800 --> 01:25:13.779 sketches? It was a lot of shit was like the one 01:25:13.779 --> 01:25:15.479 when he dressed like the white guy and had white 01:25:15.479 --> 01:25:17.439 paint on his face and wore the white wig. It 01:25:17.439 --> 01:25:19.119 was basically the same character that Dave was 01:25:19.119 --> 01:25:20.539 doing. Yeah. But if you look at the history of 01:25:20.539 --> 01:25:22.340 sketch comedy, I don't think Dave was the first 01:25:22.340 --> 01:25:24.920 person to ever paint to dress himself up to look 01:25:24.920 --> 01:25:28.399 like. Yeah. But it was right afterwards. Right 01:25:28.399 --> 01:25:33.819 after. Same slot. Anything that came after Chappelle's 01:25:33.819 --> 01:25:35.460 show, they would have compared it to. Dave was 01:25:35.460 --> 01:25:38.739 saying it. Yeah. Dave never talked shit about 01:25:38.739 --> 01:25:40.520 nobody. He was like, this motherfucker's doing 01:25:40.520 --> 01:25:43.880 my show. Dave was saying it. Dave doesn't talk 01:25:43.880 --> 01:25:49.500 shit about nobody. Right. But that was only one 01:25:49.500 --> 01:25:52.359 of the problems. The real problem was he would 01:25:52.359 --> 01:25:54.500 sit in the back room and watch open mic nights 01:25:54.500 --> 01:25:57.600 and take their shit. They would flash the light 01:25:57.600 --> 01:25:59.420 when he was in the room so comics wouldn't do 01:25:59.420 --> 01:26:01.000 material. They would start doing crowd work. 01:26:01.640 --> 01:26:03.779 So why didn't he get exposed before that? Because 01:26:03.779 --> 01:26:06.939 nobody had the balls to do it. Because he was 01:26:06.939 --> 01:26:10.920 famous at the time. And look, it cost me. I got 01:26:10.920 --> 01:26:13.500 banned from the store. I lost my agent. And I 01:26:13.500 --> 01:26:16.800 was famous. I was on Fear Factor. I was rich. 01:26:17.500 --> 01:26:20.220 I had a lot going for me where I could stick 01:26:20.220 --> 01:26:22.399 my neck out. But you came back stronger. I'll 01:26:22.399 --> 01:26:24.180 give another example, like the same situation 01:26:24.180 --> 01:26:26.039 with Dave in Comedy Central and shit. As much 01:26:26.039 --> 01:26:28.800 as he went through that, he took a 12 -year hiatus 01:26:28.800 --> 01:26:30.420 or whatever you want to say. What Dave showed 01:26:30.420 --> 01:26:34.039 in that is that he's a real artist. Dave just 01:26:34.039 --> 01:26:36.140 said, fuck it, I'm going to disappear for a while 01:26:36.140 --> 01:26:39.079 like a legend. He just disappeared. I remember 01:26:39.079 --> 01:26:41.239 when I was hearing stories about Dave doing shows 01:26:41.239 --> 01:26:44.100 where he would set up a speaker in Seattle in 01:26:44.100 --> 01:26:45.939 the park and just start doing stand -up. And 01:26:45.939 --> 01:26:48.180 people were like, what the fuck? And for no money. 01:26:48.649 --> 01:26:50.109 People would just show up and he would just do 01:26:50.109 --> 01:26:52.970 street performances. But you know what was kind 01:26:52.970 --> 01:26:54.829 of where he got it from? You've heard of a comic, 01:26:54.930 --> 01:26:56.909 I'm pretty sure of it, Charlie Barnett. 100%. 01:26:56.909 --> 01:26:58.630 Yeah, we played Charlie Barnett on the show. 01:26:58.649 --> 01:27:01.109 I knew Charlie. Charlie was like, if you ever 01:27:01.109 --> 01:27:04.449 thought you were funny, whatever, go. This is 01:27:04.449 --> 01:27:06.729 what the art of only people I've ever known that 01:27:06.729 --> 01:27:09.010 got certain levels of success were Charlie Barnett 01:27:09.010 --> 01:27:10.689 and Michael Collier when he used to live in his 01:27:10.689 --> 01:27:13.010 beach. Right. But people don't understand how 01:27:13.010 --> 01:27:18.619 Charlie Barnett would like. To go to a park, 01:27:18.659 --> 01:27:20.739 go to the center of Washington Square Park. And 01:27:20.739 --> 01:27:22.439 get to gather around a bunch of people in a circle. 01:27:22.560 --> 01:27:25.020 It's a certain technique. Not only that, you 01:27:25.020 --> 01:27:27.220 got to hold their attention for one joke. Right. 01:27:27.399 --> 01:27:29.479 You got to get them involved, blah, blah, blah, 01:27:29.539 --> 01:27:32.420 blah. Yeah. And you build this audience up, and 01:27:32.420 --> 01:27:34.359 then it's really for one joke. A lot of people 01:27:34.359 --> 01:27:36.079 don't know that Charlie got Saturday Night Live, 01:27:36.199 --> 01:27:37.979 but he couldn't read. Yeah, he couldn't, and 01:27:37.979 --> 01:27:41.500 that's what opened up the door. But he was so 01:27:41.500 --> 01:27:43.939 gangster. Like, when they wouldn't give him spots 01:27:43.939 --> 01:27:46.260 because, you know, he was probably a bit to deal 01:27:46.260 --> 01:27:49.119 with. he would go to the Boston Comic Cup and 01:27:49.119 --> 01:27:52.140 yell in there, don't go in there, I'm doing my 01:27:52.140 --> 01:27:55.699 show in five minutes. The whole fucking club 01:27:55.699 --> 01:27:59.539 would come out. That's how much power he had. 01:27:59.659 --> 01:28:03.020 But then sometimes that we become victims of 01:28:03.020 --> 01:28:06.279 our own vices and everything and destroy us more 01:28:06.279 --> 01:28:08.359 than anything. That's why when people talk shit 01:28:08.359 --> 01:28:12.600 about Kevin Hart didn't get out the mud, you 01:28:12.600 --> 01:28:16.680 got funny, but you know. Funny isn't everything. 01:28:18.030 --> 01:28:21.630 You're funny. Oh, so good that you got talent. 01:28:21.770 --> 01:28:24.630 But more importantly, it's your work ethics and 01:28:24.630 --> 01:28:27.090 how do you take your God -given talent and your 01:28:27.090 --> 01:28:29.729 passion and turn it into money. You know, you're 01:28:29.729 --> 01:28:31.569 into music and everything. You probably could 01:28:31.569 --> 01:28:34.789 name a million saxophonists or whatever that 01:28:34.789 --> 01:28:36.850 didn't get to do that you could be like, well, 01:28:36.890 --> 01:28:38.989 listen to this shit. But for some reason, they 01:28:38.989 --> 01:28:42.189 didn't have the business part and all that together. 01:28:42.489 --> 01:28:44.369 And I'm going back. I'm probably talking in circles 01:28:44.369 --> 01:28:47.050 now, but this is what upsets me the most about... 01:28:48.049 --> 01:28:50.449 my folks or whatever, these people that go on 01:28:50.449 --> 01:28:52.869 these platforms and talk shit about people. There 01:28:52.869 --> 01:28:55.430 was a comedian that was talking shit about Martin 01:28:55.430 --> 01:28:58.050 Lawrence, right? Well, I saw Martin Lawrence 01:28:58.050 --> 01:29:00.909 and Martin Lawrence in the casino, he's really, 01:29:00.970 --> 01:29:04.050 it's not that funny. I'm like this motherfucker, 01:29:04.470 --> 01:29:08.090 he's Martin Lawrence. Well, they didn't know 01:29:08.090 --> 01:29:10.689 him in the 90s. I used to have to follow Martin 01:29:10.689 --> 01:29:12.750 Lawrence at the comedy store. No, this person 01:29:12.750 --> 01:29:16.760 particularly, no. If you just know Martin Lawrence, 01:29:16.920 --> 01:29:19.300 period, that's enough. Richard Pryor, before 01:29:19.300 --> 01:29:21.420 he passed away, when he was in a wheelchair, 01:29:21.619 --> 01:29:23.979 damn near rolled him out on the stage, sold out 01:29:23.979 --> 01:29:26.399 audiences. I followed him for six weeks. I followed 01:29:26.399 --> 01:29:28.359 him for six weeks at the comedy store when he 01:29:28.359 --> 01:29:30.220 was like that. Certain people, Joe, I look at 01:29:30.220 --> 01:29:32.319 this business, are made people. How dare you 01:29:32.319 --> 01:29:34.619 talk shit about this motherfucker? That's a good 01:29:34.619 --> 01:29:36.680 way to put it. He's a made man. Another thing, 01:29:36.739 --> 01:29:39.840 Joe. A legend. You know, in this business, you 01:29:39.840 --> 01:29:42.000 can have a career, right? But you have certain 01:29:42.000 --> 01:29:44.670 times where you just ruled. You had three years. 01:29:44.750 --> 01:29:48.789 Martin Lawrence, film star, movie star, comedy 01:29:48.789 --> 01:29:51.109 star. He had one period of time for five or seven 01:29:51.109 --> 01:29:53.630 years when it was just Martin everywhere. How 01:29:53.630 --> 01:29:56.250 dare you? As a person gets older, and whether 01:29:56.250 --> 01:29:58.609 he has a good, bad night or a bad night, how 01:29:58.609 --> 01:30:00.930 are you to judge? And you ain't doing shit. How 01:30:00.930 --> 01:30:03.409 are you to judge a motherfucker? When I was coming 01:30:03.409 --> 01:30:06.810 up, Joe, every fucking black comic in the business 01:30:06.810 --> 01:30:09.770 wanted an audition. Everybody wanted to be Hustle 01:30:09.770 --> 01:30:12.149 Man. Everybody wanted to just get two or three 01:30:12.149 --> 01:30:13.890 minutes on Martin's show because they knew that 01:30:13.890 --> 01:30:16.869 would do their career. So you judge a motherfucker 01:30:16.869 --> 01:30:20.789 years down the road, right, where they basically, 01:30:20.949 --> 01:30:23.600 when Martin goes out. Guess what? Martin not 01:30:23.600 --> 01:30:25.899 doing no tour saying I'm doing 45 minutes. He 01:30:25.899 --> 01:30:27.680 was like, y 'all want to see me? Guess what? 01:30:27.720 --> 01:30:29.479 Y 'all going to see this young talent. You're 01:30:29.479 --> 01:30:30.800 going to see this person. I'm putting people 01:30:30.800 --> 01:30:33.119 on. How dare you even have come out your fucking 01:30:33.119 --> 01:30:35.079 mouth and talk shit about this motherfucker? 01:30:35.359 --> 01:30:37.420 How dare you talk shit about motherfuckers and 01:30:37.420 --> 01:30:39.520 talk shit about Kevin Hart? How dare you talk 01:30:39.520 --> 01:30:41.579 shit about a motherfucker that was rocking with 01:30:41.579 --> 01:30:45.100 a dude, Nate Smith, RIP, passed away? I remember 01:30:45.100 --> 01:30:47.220 when Kevin Hart was the one of the motherfuckers 01:30:47.220 --> 01:30:49.560 doing those comment cards. All right, all right, 01:30:49.560 --> 01:30:53.550 I'm doing email. One person. I remember when 01:30:53.550 --> 01:30:56.970 fucking Kevin Hart had fucking 20 ,000 people 01:30:56.970 --> 01:31:00.029 on Instagram. No, on Twitter. And at the radio, 01:31:00.090 --> 01:31:02.590 he was like, yo, yo, D, this is a problem. I 01:31:02.590 --> 01:31:05.949 seen the hard work. I see him not just come to 01:31:05.949 --> 01:31:07.970 fucking New York and do the black rooms. I'm 01:31:07.970 --> 01:31:09.630 doing the black rooms. I'm doing the white rooms. 01:31:09.710 --> 01:31:12.909 I'm doing all of this shit. How dare you? I'll 01:31:12.909 --> 01:31:15.189 just say this, and I'll answer this. It ain't 01:31:15.189 --> 01:31:18.420 no beef or nothing. Cat Williams said, this is 01:31:18.420 --> 01:31:20.680 what Cat Williams said about Kevin Hart. I find 01:31:20.680 --> 01:31:24.380 it very strange that you just come from New York 01:31:24.380 --> 01:31:26.500 and then you have a TV show and a movie show. 01:31:26.600 --> 01:31:28.100 And how does that happen? You were in New York. 01:31:28.300 --> 01:31:32.739 I'll tell you how it happens. You're on the biggest 01:31:32.739 --> 01:31:36.399 showcase in comedy. And you know what that is. 01:31:36.939 --> 01:31:41.729 JFL. Just for laughs. Kevin Hart was a product 01:31:41.729 --> 01:31:44.569 of that. Monique was a product of that. Dave 01:31:44.569 --> 01:31:47.590 Chappelle was a product of that. No, Kevin Hart 01:31:47.590 --> 01:31:49.789 wasn't pounding the streets in L .A., but he 01:31:49.789 --> 01:31:52.890 happened to be on a showcase. Back in the day, 01:31:52.989 --> 01:31:55.949 you do a JFL, it was motherfuckers leaving there 01:31:55.949 --> 01:31:58.630 that probably had $500 in the bank leaving with 01:31:58.630 --> 01:32:00.909 a quarter million dollar development deal just 01:32:00.909 --> 01:32:03.250 to do nothing. That's the era it was. I remember. 01:32:03.250 --> 01:32:05.109 So just because you weren't in L .A. doesn't 01:32:05.109 --> 01:32:07.159 mean you wasn't. you wasn't beating the pavement. 01:32:07.520 --> 01:32:10.199 And I don't care. In LA, you got LA and New York. 01:32:10.380 --> 01:32:13.539 Nobody as a stand -up comic grinds as hard as 01:32:13.539 --> 01:32:16.479 a comic coming from New York opposed to LA. And 01:32:16.479 --> 01:32:18.220 the reason why, LA don't have that many stages. 01:32:18.970 --> 01:32:21.029 L .A. don't have that many stages. They tell 01:32:21.029 --> 01:32:22.930 you all the time, as a stand -up comic, if you're 01:32:22.930 --> 01:32:25.229 trying to be an actor or whatever, go to L .A. 01:32:25.289 --> 01:32:27.369 If you want to be a great stand -up comic, bang 01:32:27.369 --> 01:32:30.090 it out in New York. And this was the rule back 01:32:30.090 --> 01:32:32.529 in the day, Joe. Let Hollywood call you. You 01:32:32.529 --> 01:32:34.210 just don't go to L .A. to sleep on somebody's 01:32:34.210 --> 01:32:36.210 couch. Some people had that story, but it was 01:32:36.210 --> 01:32:38.630 like you grind. And back then... Everybody's 01:32:38.630 --> 01:32:40.569 got their own path, Don. You can do whatever 01:32:40.569 --> 01:32:42.609 the fuck you want. It's just work on your act. 01:32:42.770 --> 01:32:44.789 That's the point that I'm making. Yeah, it's 01:32:44.789 --> 01:32:46.630 just everybody's got their own path. The real 01:32:46.630 --> 01:32:49.670 problem in this conversation is what I said earlier. 01:32:49.770 --> 01:32:51.149 It's worrying about what other people think. 01:32:51.609 --> 01:32:54.050 The more you spend time worrying about what other 01:32:54.050 --> 01:32:55.310 people think, the less you're worrying about 01:32:55.310 --> 01:32:58.210 what you're doing. The less you're thinking about 01:32:58.210 --> 01:33:00.449 what you're actually trying to achieve. And I 01:33:00.449 --> 01:33:02.789 listen to what you're saying, and I don't listen 01:33:02.789 --> 01:33:05.130 to what you're saying. And the reason why I say 01:33:05.130 --> 01:33:07.250 that every time I go into this rabbit hole or 01:33:07.250 --> 01:33:11.970 whatever, it's the echo. It's like a rogan angel 01:33:11.970 --> 01:33:14.590 right here, and it's whispering. read the comments. 01:33:14.689 --> 01:33:17.930 Yeah, but I'm right. I still read them. I know, 01:33:17.989 --> 01:33:20.529 you should. But I'm stopping. But this is another 01:33:20.529 --> 01:33:24.609 thing I didn't know. What I didn't know is that 01:33:24.609 --> 01:33:30.170 white comedians actually have beef with each 01:33:30.170 --> 01:33:34.390 other. I did not know, or at least it's not, 01:33:34.529 --> 01:33:38.229 you don't hear about it. It's rare. It's more 01:33:38.229 --> 01:33:40.850 rare, and the ones who have beef are usually 01:33:40.850 --> 01:33:43.189 failures. They're usually people that aren't 01:33:43.189 --> 01:33:47.010 doing well. I got an example. Okay. I'm exposing 01:33:47.010 --> 01:33:48.609 the industry right now. I'm not exposing it. 01:33:48.710 --> 01:33:51.449 I have an example that's so funny. And this was 01:33:51.449 --> 01:33:53.970 interesting. I was at the comedy store. Oh, you 01:33:53.970 --> 01:33:57.069 told me this. This is so fucking funny to me, 01:33:57.090 --> 01:34:00.569 Seth. About two months ago, right? I'm good friends 01:34:00.569 --> 01:34:02.590 with Bill Burr. You know, we did. We had the 01:34:02.590 --> 01:34:04.489 I'm Rich Bitch Tour with Charlie Murphy, me, 01:34:04.609 --> 01:34:09.670 Bill Burr years ago. And I know Marc Maron, right? 01:34:10.029 --> 01:34:12.630 I don't know. What I found out is I didn't know 01:34:12.630 --> 01:34:14.630 Marc Maron the way white people know Marc Maron, 01:34:14.630 --> 01:34:18.729 right? So I know Marc Maron. Like, when I see 01:34:18.729 --> 01:34:20.989 Marc Maron, I was like, oh, that's the guy that 01:34:20.989 --> 01:34:23.630 had one of the greatest podcasts out. That guy 01:34:23.630 --> 01:34:26.270 that was one of the alternative comedy favorites. 01:34:26.409 --> 01:34:29.630 Marc Maron's special. So when I see Marc Maron, 01:34:29.649 --> 01:34:31.270 I have a certain level of respect. Like, oh, 01:34:31.270 --> 01:34:33.449 that's the guy who did it, whatever. So I was 01:34:33.449 --> 01:34:36.909 doing an Annie Letterman show. Annie Wood or 01:34:36.909 --> 01:34:39.979 whatever, right? And I love that girl. And I'm 01:34:39.979 --> 01:34:42.000 in a green room, and I'm smoking a joint. I forget 01:34:42.000 --> 01:34:43.840 who sponsored this weed, but it was incredible, 01:34:43.960 --> 01:34:46.100 right? So I'm in here, and I'm cracking jokes. 01:34:46.439 --> 01:34:49.539 Bill is right there. And then Mark is over by 01:34:49.539 --> 01:34:51.840 the side of the door. And I'm cracking jokes 01:34:51.840 --> 01:34:53.760 with Bill and everything. And I felt something. 01:34:53.939 --> 01:34:56.100 Nobody was really laughing at my jokes, right? 01:34:56.479 --> 01:34:59.100 Then all of a sudden, a whole fucking argument 01:34:59.100 --> 01:35:02.760 popped off. And it was like, it was white argument 01:35:02.760 --> 01:35:06.109 because it was so nice. They were so... gentlemen 01:35:06.109 --> 01:35:08.609 to each other. It was a whole bunch of, oh yeah, 01:35:08.750 --> 01:35:11.489 but you'll never do my podcast. It was like podcast 01:35:11.489 --> 01:35:14.229 beats. I'm right in the middle. I don't even 01:35:14.229 --> 01:35:16.449 know. I didn't even know that they had beef like 01:35:16.449 --> 01:35:18.390 this, but they were so gentle about it. But I 01:35:18.390 --> 01:35:19.930 tell you the difference between white beef and 01:35:19.930 --> 01:35:22.029 black beef, I never felt that I was going to 01:35:22.029 --> 01:35:28.699 get shot. Yo, I felt so safe. Yo, if anything, 01:35:28.880 --> 01:35:31.199 I thought it'd be like lawsuits the next morning, 01:35:31.239 --> 01:35:34.140 defamation of character, slander, but I never 01:35:34.140 --> 01:35:37.960 knew that it was fucking Caucasian on Caucasian 01:35:37.960 --> 01:35:40.100 beef like that. And it was entertaining. This 01:35:40.100 --> 01:35:42.560 is an example. Marc Maron was doing really well 01:35:42.560 --> 01:35:44.260 at one point in time in his career, and now he's 01:35:44.260 --> 01:35:46.560 not. So Marc Maron had the number one podcast, 01:35:46.899 --> 01:35:49.020 and after a while, his podcast wasn't even in 01:35:49.020 --> 01:35:53.140 the top 200. It dropped off. Bill Burr, his career 01:35:53.140 --> 01:35:56.560 is... took off right he's doing arenas he's killing 01:35:56.560 --> 01:36:00.739 it mark's not and mark finds reasons to criticize 01:36:00.739 --> 01:36:02.439 other people that are doing much better than 01:36:02.439 --> 01:36:04.680 him and he focuses on that because he thinks 01:36:04.680 --> 01:36:06.239 he should be getting more than he deserves but 01:36:06.239 --> 01:36:08.180 do you think that's going back to being a provocateur 01:36:08.180 --> 01:36:10.359 he knows if he talked to you no no no i think 01:36:10.359 --> 01:36:12.399 it's going back to being bitter and jealous and 01:36:12.399 --> 01:36:14.020 thinking about other people instead of thinking 01:36:14.020 --> 01:36:15.819 about himself and why people don't want to go 01:36:15.819 --> 01:36:19.140 see him anymore he was upset when we left the 01:36:19.140 --> 01:36:20.819 comedy store because we took the crowds away 01:36:21.369 --> 01:36:23.770 And it's like, hey, you were on the fucking marquee 01:36:23.770 --> 01:36:26.329 too, man. Right. They're not coming to see you. 01:36:26.390 --> 01:36:27.590 And the reason why they're not coming to see 01:36:27.590 --> 01:36:29.350 you is because you're not doing well. And your 01:36:29.350 --> 01:36:32.890 podcast was in the top. It was number one. And 01:36:32.890 --> 01:36:34.630 when it was at number one, by the way, this is 01:36:34.630 --> 01:36:36.510 what I always say about Marc Maron, he was great. 01:36:37.149 --> 01:36:39.090 Marc Maron was fun to hang out with when he was 01:36:39.090 --> 01:36:41.600 killing it. Right. Because he was happy. Because 01:36:41.600 --> 01:36:43.300 he was getting validation because he had the 01:36:43.300 --> 01:36:45.579 number one podcast. We were friends. I did his 01:36:45.579 --> 01:36:48.079 podcast. He did mine. We had a good time. I'd 01:36:48.079 --> 01:36:51.220 hug him when I see him. We had gone back and 01:36:51.220 --> 01:36:53.220 forth many times having beef with each other. 01:36:53.359 --> 01:36:56.680 Let me finish. His problem was when everybody 01:36:56.680 --> 01:36:59.039 else started doing really good and he started 01:36:59.039 --> 01:37:01.560 dropping off. That's what happened. This is what 01:37:01.560 --> 01:37:03.880 I don't understand. Why can't people understand 01:37:03.880 --> 01:37:07.380 that you have a moment? Because he's a fucking 01:37:07.380 --> 01:37:09.300 narcissist and he wants the moment to always 01:37:09.300 --> 01:37:12.020 be around him. He wants it to always be about 01:37:12.020 --> 01:37:13.539 him. And when other people are doing better than 01:37:13.539 --> 01:37:15.659 him, he wants to talk shit about them. And that's 01:37:15.659 --> 01:37:17.420 where Bill had a problem with it. You think being 01:37:17.420 --> 01:37:19.579 a narcissist in this field is a bad thing? For 01:37:19.579 --> 01:37:21.460 some reason, I think that kind of fuels you to 01:37:21.460 --> 01:37:23.300 be the person that you are, to be determined 01:37:23.300 --> 01:37:24.640 to do it and not give a fuck about what anybody 01:37:24.640 --> 01:37:28.399 thinks. Well, having self -respect and having 01:37:28.399 --> 01:37:31.840 an ego where you care about what you put out, 01:37:31.939 --> 01:37:34.840 yes, that's a good thing. But making it all about 01:37:34.840 --> 01:37:36.760 you and not being able to appreciate other people's 01:37:36.760 --> 01:37:39.340 work is crazy because other people doing well. 01:37:39.880 --> 01:37:43.220 can be fuel for you to be inspired and do better 01:37:43.220 --> 01:37:45.760 yourself. And that's a positive thing. And if 01:37:45.760 --> 01:37:47.319 these people are your friends and you love them 01:37:47.319 --> 01:37:48.899 and you care about them, you should be happy 01:37:48.899 --> 01:37:50.840 that they're killing it. And if you're not killing 01:37:50.840 --> 01:37:52.479 it anymore, you should try to figure out why. 01:37:52.979 --> 01:37:54.819 Because it's not like the door's not open. It's 01:37:54.819 --> 01:37:56.140 not like you're not getting on stage. It's not 01:37:56.140 --> 01:37:58.020 like you're not putting out specials. You should 01:37:58.020 --> 01:38:00.590 probably figure out why you're... podcast dropped 01:38:00.590 --> 01:38:04.130 from number one to not even in the top 200 anymore 01:38:04.130 --> 01:38:06.250 without anything happening. You didn't get arrested. 01:38:06.350 --> 01:38:08.050 There was no scandal. There was nothing crazy. 01:38:08.189 --> 01:38:10.149 You should try to figure that out. And he doesn't 01:38:10.149 --> 01:38:12.869 do that because he's instead bitter, bitter and 01:38:12.869 --> 01:38:15.430 jealous. He's always been like that. It's a story 01:38:15.430 --> 01:38:18.130 about Jon Stewart. And Andrew Schultz came on 01:38:18.130 --> 01:38:19.869 the podcast and told a story about Jon Stewart 01:38:19.869 --> 01:38:22.630 and Marin where Marin confronted Jon Stewart, 01:38:22.630 --> 01:38:24.470 but Jon Stewart got some television show. He 01:38:24.470 --> 01:38:26.409 called him a fucking sellout. He yelled at him 01:38:26.409 --> 01:38:28.930 all this different shit. Jon Stewart left the 01:38:28.930 --> 01:38:31.590 show. And they hired Marin to do the same show. 01:38:31.710 --> 01:38:34.470 Yeah. The same show that he was calling Jon Stewart 01:38:34.470 --> 01:38:36.489 for being a sellout. So how did you go from that 01:38:36.489 --> 01:38:38.850 to, okay, for you to have one of the biggest 01:38:38.850 --> 01:38:41.430 podcasts, at some point in your career, you had 01:38:41.430 --> 01:38:43.369 to be likable, or you think people just wanted 01:38:43.369 --> 01:38:44.470 to do this show because it was a platform? There 01:38:44.470 --> 01:38:47.310 wasn't very many podcasts back then. The thing 01:38:47.310 --> 01:38:49.310 that killed Marin's podcast, my personal opinion, 01:38:49.449 --> 01:38:52.390 no hate, is that he has this rant at the beginning 01:38:52.390 --> 01:38:55.420 of his podcast that's not. I don't think it's 01:38:55.420 --> 01:38:58.520 good. And the rant was long, and he would just 01:38:58.520 --> 01:39:00.979 ramble about himself, was very self -obsessed, 01:39:01.079 --> 01:39:03.300 and I just don't think it was good. And I think 01:39:03.300 --> 01:39:05.560 that was part of the problem. It's also the problem 01:39:05.560 --> 01:39:07.479 was how he interviewed people. He had a very 01:39:07.479 --> 01:39:09.520 confrontational interview style, specifically 01:39:09.520 --> 01:39:11.960 with some comedians that he felt like were below 01:39:11.960 --> 01:39:14.300 him or that he could pick on. You would think 01:39:14.300 --> 01:39:16.279 that that style would work in this day and age? 01:39:16.279 --> 01:39:18.680 No, no, no, no, no. People don't want always 01:39:18.680 --> 01:39:20.840 to be uncomfortable. They want to like you, man. 01:39:20.899 --> 01:39:22.520 They want you to be a good person. People want 01:39:22.520 --> 01:39:26.250 train wrecks. They want train wrecks for 15 second 01:39:26.250 --> 01:39:29.949 or 30 minute, 30 second Instagram clips. They 01:39:29.949 --> 01:39:32.829 don't want train wrecks to be their primary thing 01:39:32.829 --> 01:39:34.170 they're listening to when they're in traffic 01:39:34.170 --> 01:39:36.449 on the way to work. But the people that host 01:39:36.449 --> 01:39:39.409 these podcasts now, like I think people go on 01:39:39.409 --> 01:39:41.510 these podcasts now and like this, this is going 01:39:41.510 --> 01:39:43.670 to be clickbait. We're going to go viral. Yeah, 01:39:43.810 --> 01:39:45.829 but that's they're not that talented. That's 01:39:45.829 --> 01:39:47.329 why they're doing it is because that's their 01:39:47.329 --> 01:39:51.210 only method of getting attention. If they were 01:39:51.210 --> 01:39:53.329 entertaining and interesting and fascinating, 01:39:53.609 --> 01:39:58.229 then their podcast would be about that. You know 01:39:58.229 --> 01:39:59.869 what? It's all in what you're trying to focus 01:39:59.869 --> 01:40:02.750 on. What I try to focus on in my podcast is who 01:40:02.750 --> 01:40:06.159 do I want to talk to? I never have someone on 01:40:06.159 --> 01:40:08.380 and go, oh, this would be great. It'd be very 01:40:08.380 --> 01:40:10.800 controversial. People fucking hate them. It'll 01:40:10.800 --> 01:40:12.880 be crazy. They'll say wild shit. I never do that. 01:40:13.020 --> 01:40:16.659 My podcast is only about who do I want to talk 01:40:16.659 --> 01:40:18.880 to? That's why I have a lot of people on that 01:40:18.880 --> 01:40:21.460 aren't even remotely famous because they're interesting. 01:40:21.539 --> 01:40:23.699 I find them interesting. I find with a book they 01:40:23.699 --> 01:40:25.680 wrote interesting, the documentary they made 01:40:25.680 --> 01:40:27.899 interesting. I want to know something about them. 01:40:27.979 --> 01:40:30.479 It stimulates my curiosity. Do you think that 01:40:30.479 --> 01:40:33.079 there's going to be a shift? Do you think that? 01:40:33.930 --> 01:40:36.369 These salacious interviews, these interviews 01:40:36.369 --> 01:40:39.909 with the provactor. I don't think about it. That's 01:40:39.909 --> 01:40:41.250 my key. I don't think about it. You know what's 01:40:41.250 --> 01:40:43.149 so funny? I will say this. You know what's funny 01:40:43.149 --> 01:40:45.949 about what you said? That I was with Dave a while 01:40:45.949 --> 01:40:48.630 ago, and he echoed the exact same thing, and 01:40:48.630 --> 01:40:50.869 I was having this conversation with him. He said, 01:40:50.909 --> 01:40:53.590 D, I don't even think about that shit. Yeah, 01:40:53.609 --> 01:40:55.390 don't think about it. There's other things to 01:40:55.390 --> 01:40:57.649 think about. I've said this too many times. If 01:40:57.649 --> 01:40:59.689 people have heard this before, I'm sorry. Think 01:40:59.689 --> 01:41:03.050 of your focus and your attention like a number. 01:41:03.600 --> 01:41:06.899 Think of you have like 100 points in a day to 01:41:06.899 --> 01:41:10.460 spend on things. If you spend 30 of those points 01:41:10.460 --> 01:41:13.079 thinking about haters or 30 percent of those 01:41:13.079 --> 01:41:15.840 thinking about bitter people, 30 percent thinking 01:41:15.840 --> 01:41:17.140 about other people that are doing better than 01:41:17.140 --> 01:41:20.260 you, that's 30 percent that you robbed from the 01:41:20.260 --> 01:41:22.000 100 percent that you have to focus on your life. 01:41:22.420 --> 01:41:25.060 I have things to do, man. I have a family. I 01:41:25.060 --> 01:41:27.159 have friends. I have loved ones. I have interests. 01:41:27.260 --> 01:41:31.489 I have hobbies. I have. comedy and podcasts and 01:41:31.489 --> 01:41:33.130 the UFC and all these different things that I 01:41:33.130 --> 01:41:35.329 like to do. And I think about those things. I 01:41:35.329 --> 01:41:38.149 don't think about negative, stupid things with 01:41:38.149 --> 01:41:40.909 people that have bitter, angry minds that are 01:41:40.909 --> 01:41:42.930 concentrating on other people's success and trying 01:41:42.930 --> 01:41:44.850 to tear them down all the time because they're 01:41:44.850 --> 01:41:46.189 trying to tear them down all the time because 01:41:46.189 --> 01:41:48.270 they compare themselves to them and they don't 01:41:48.270 --> 01:41:50.390 like how they stack up. They don't like the fact 01:41:50.390 --> 01:41:52.069 that person is doing better. They don't like 01:41:52.069 --> 01:41:54.529 the fact that person's more successful. So they 01:41:54.529 --> 01:41:57.409 try to take things either out of context or they 01:41:57.409 --> 01:41:59.369 try to misrepresent who that person is. They 01:41:59.369 --> 01:42:01.949 try to change public perception of that person 01:42:01.949 --> 01:42:05.470 to try to drag that person down. And it's transparent. 01:42:05.750 --> 01:42:07.649 The reason why it doesn't work is because people 01:42:07.649 --> 01:42:10.130 inherently know what you're trying to do. It 01:42:10.130 --> 01:42:12.430 might get people, oh, there's beef. Oh, there's 01:42:12.430 --> 01:42:15.029 beef. Those are simple -minded people that you're 01:42:15.029 --> 01:42:16.829 always going to attract. But you're not going 01:42:16.829 --> 01:42:19.149 to change people's opinions of things. It's a 01:42:19.149 --> 01:42:21.130 trick. It's a trap that you're playing on yourself. 01:42:22.620 --> 01:42:25.619 It's a waste of your precious resources. You 01:42:25.619 --> 01:42:28.619 only have so much time in the day. My time I 01:42:28.619 --> 01:42:30.720 spend on things that I think are interesting 01:42:30.720 --> 01:42:34.079 or beneficial or things that excite my curiosity. 01:42:34.300 --> 01:42:37.420 And I think that is the way I like to live my 01:42:37.420 --> 01:42:39.520 life. Now, if you like to live your life constantly 01:42:39.520 --> 01:42:41.600 engaged in beefs and being filled with anxiety 01:42:41.600 --> 01:42:44.239 and stress and you want to do that, okay. But 01:42:44.239 --> 01:42:46.199 those are bitter fucking people. I don't want 01:42:46.199 --> 01:42:47.720 to be a bitter person. In another life, could 01:42:47.720 --> 01:42:51.760 you have been a therapist? Well. I majored in 01:42:51.760 --> 01:42:54.840 psychology for the brief amount of time that 01:42:54.840 --> 01:42:56.319 I was in college. That was what I was interested 01:42:56.319 --> 01:42:58.500 in. But I was doing that because I was fighting 01:42:58.500 --> 01:43:01.279 at the time, and I was trying to figure out how 01:43:01.279 --> 01:43:03.359 to manage my mind. So I was trying to figure 01:43:03.359 --> 01:43:05.720 out the inner workings of the human psyche. Do 01:43:05.720 --> 01:43:15.199 you think your success made you a more calm person 01:43:15.199 --> 01:43:18.260 to not give a fuck? Well, it certainly helps, 01:43:18.399 --> 01:43:21.119 right? You don't have to give a fuck if you have 01:43:21.119 --> 01:43:22.920 enough money that you could just like disappear 01:43:22.920 --> 01:43:24.680 off into the sunset and never have to worry about 01:43:24.680 --> 01:43:26.619 money. Because a lot of people are always worried 01:43:26.619 --> 01:43:27.979 about money. And so you're always constantly 01:43:27.979 --> 01:43:29.460 in this state of anxiety. You're trying to get 01:43:29.460 --> 01:43:33.560 more. That helps. But it's also, it's like there's 01:43:33.560 --> 01:43:36.260 other things in life. I concentrate on my loved 01:43:36.260 --> 01:43:38.359 ones. I concentrate on my friends. I concentrate 01:43:38.359 --> 01:43:41.539 on things I enjoy doing, on fun. This life is 01:43:41.539 --> 01:43:44.220 short, man. You and I are 58 years old. We're 01:43:44.220 --> 01:43:46.899 more than halfway dead. Why would you spend? 01:43:47.439 --> 01:43:49.359 time concentrating on people you don't like. 01:43:49.520 --> 01:43:51.239 Like, there's one thing if someone's wronging 01:43:51.239 --> 01:43:53.880 you. There's one thing if you find out you have 01:43:53.880 --> 01:43:55.319 a business partner who's been stealing money 01:43:55.319 --> 01:43:57.640 or you have someone who's lying about you. Shout 01:43:57.640 --> 01:44:02.119 out to Dane Cook. No, I'm just saying. His own 01:44:02.119 --> 01:44:04.079 brother stole from him. I know Dane is like this. 01:44:04.319 --> 01:44:09.239 Yes, the fuck. Yeah, it's very, very interesting. 01:44:09.300 --> 01:44:13.079 And I'm at a place right now. I was with Jon 01:44:13.079 --> 01:44:17.399 Hamm, right? San Francisco. And I had just did 01:44:17.399 --> 01:44:18.899 a show with Dave. And it was interesting. He 01:44:18.899 --> 01:44:20.399 said something to me. He's in the back and he's 01:44:20.399 --> 01:44:21.979 with his wife and we're kicking it. He used to 01:44:21.979 --> 01:44:23.479 come out to summer camp and everything and hang 01:44:23.479 --> 01:44:25.779 out with us. I don't want to say we're like super 01:44:25.779 --> 01:44:27.279 friends, but we have mutual respect for each 01:44:27.279 --> 01:44:28.560 other. And it was interesting because we're in 01:44:28.560 --> 01:44:30.699 the green room. And this is after I had just 01:44:30.699 --> 01:44:32.340 slayed this audience or whatever, right? And 01:44:32.340 --> 01:44:35.800 I'm feeling good. And he said, Don, what is it 01:44:35.800 --> 01:44:37.979 that you really want to do? He said, what is 01:44:37.979 --> 01:44:39.779 it that you want? I said, what kind of question? 01:44:39.840 --> 01:44:42.500 He said, no, I mean, what is it? Is it TV? Is 01:44:42.500 --> 01:44:45.380 it a TV show? Is it movies? I was like, John, 01:44:45.460 --> 01:44:49.680 I'm doing exactly what I want to do. For me to 01:44:49.680 --> 01:44:52.359 be able to wake up, not have to work for anybody, 01:44:52.920 --> 01:44:56.720 call my own shots, make a fair wage, take care 01:44:56.720 --> 01:44:59.159 of my family, enjoy my friends and everything, 01:44:59.439 --> 01:45:03.020 and it's me connecting with a God -given talent. 01:45:03.479 --> 01:45:06.140 Anything else is a bonus. I don't look at it 01:45:06.140 --> 01:45:08.899 like I need the private jet and everything. Certain 01:45:08.899 --> 01:45:10.199 things, you're like, you know, that would be 01:45:10.199 --> 01:45:13.159 nice. But I just look at... what this life has 01:45:13.159 --> 01:45:16.520 given me, and I'm appreciative of that. I know 01:45:16.520 --> 01:45:20.079 so many people of my class, whatever, that aren't 01:45:20.079 --> 01:45:22.399 doing nearly as well as I am, or even the ones 01:45:22.399 --> 01:45:24.199 that are. That don't mean that they're happy. 01:45:24.579 --> 01:45:26.079 You know what I'm saying? So when he asked my 01:45:26.079 --> 01:45:28.300 question, I didn't think any bad of it. I was 01:45:28.300 --> 01:45:31.840 like this. I don't get caught up on looking at 01:45:31.840 --> 01:45:34.000 somebody. They got this. They got that. I like 01:45:34.000 --> 01:45:36.800 this. Am I happy? Am I comfortable? Do I get 01:45:36.800 --> 01:45:38.960 to do what I want? So whether I tell people all 01:45:38.960 --> 01:45:40.899 this all the time. Whether I get another film 01:45:40.899 --> 01:45:43.800 opportunity, whether I get another TV show or 01:45:43.800 --> 01:45:48.199 whatever or any of that, I'm living what some 01:45:48.199 --> 01:45:51.539 people's dreams are. Yes. And it's not my dream. 01:45:52.060 --> 01:45:55.300 It's my reality. Yes. And I also had to realize 01:45:55.300 --> 01:45:58.180 this is so easy for us to do. You can be so connected 01:45:58.180 --> 01:46:01.239 with somebody. And even with my situation, with 01:46:01.239 --> 01:46:03.359 my connection with Dave and everything, I'm a 01:46:03.359 --> 01:46:05.739 huge fan of Dave. He's given me great opportunities 01:46:05.739 --> 01:46:08.100 and everything. But at some point in my life, 01:46:08.100 --> 01:46:10.739 I had to say, you can't be caught up in somebody 01:46:10.739 --> 01:46:13.600 else's dreams so much that you forget your realities. 01:46:14.440 --> 01:46:17.920 And my reality is whether I'm alongside of him 01:46:17.920 --> 01:46:19.699 or what I'm doing, I got to continue to be Don 01:46:19.699 --> 01:46:21.840 Air Rollins. I got to continue to support my 01:46:21.840 --> 01:46:24.659 family. I got to continue to do things that I 01:46:24.659 --> 01:46:27.399 do. And it's so easy. It's so easy for me to 01:46:27.399 --> 01:46:28.960 get caught up. I'm like, I'm rolling with Dave. 01:46:29.140 --> 01:46:31.039 We on the jets. We doing this type of shit. But 01:46:31.039 --> 01:46:33.600 then I'll lose focus on who I am. And I realize 01:46:33.600 --> 01:46:37.479 for me and my career continues to go when I know 01:46:37.479 --> 01:46:40.060 how to make that separation. I do have. Yeah. 01:46:40.100 --> 01:46:41.899 But the thing is, even when you're caught up 01:46:41.899 --> 01:46:44.579 with Dave, you still love him and you don't hate 01:46:44.579 --> 01:46:47.340 him at all. You're not jealous of him. Not at 01:46:47.340 --> 01:46:48.880 all. You might get caught up in the way because 01:46:48.880 --> 01:46:50.399 you're hanging out with one of the greatest comics 01:46:50.399 --> 01:46:52.979 that's ever lived. But it doesn't mean that it's 01:46:52.979 --> 01:46:54.460 a negative. And, you know, another thing. Let 01:46:54.460 --> 01:46:57.319 me add to that. And I'm not blowing my own horn 01:46:57.319 --> 01:46:59.119 or whatever. Like you said, one of the greatest 01:46:59.119 --> 01:47:01.300 comedians to ever live, right? If a person had 01:47:01.300 --> 01:47:02.939 a conversation with Dave Chappelle, people could 01:47:02.939 --> 01:47:04.500 say whatever I'm wearing about people think. 01:47:04.819 --> 01:47:09.699 If you ask Dave who is in his top five comedians, 01:47:09.819 --> 01:47:13.659 my name's going to come up. So as much as people, 01:47:13.800 --> 01:47:17.800 they always try to pin me like blah, blah, this 01:47:17.800 --> 01:47:21.319 and everything. I respect the fact that. He respects 01:47:21.319 --> 01:47:23.560 me. I respect him. When we work together, we 01:47:23.560 --> 01:47:25.460 push each other. We make each other, whatever 01:47:25.460 --> 01:47:28.460 people want to say, we make each other better. 01:47:28.659 --> 01:47:31.640 And what other people understand is that he's 01:47:31.640 --> 01:47:35.380 truly my friend. You know what I mean? It's not 01:47:35.380 --> 01:47:38.100 like I just work on a show, he's my friend. And 01:47:38.100 --> 01:47:40.779 even when, some of my fondest memories, especially 01:47:40.779 --> 01:47:42.939 when I come here, is when we was doing those 01:47:42.939 --> 01:47:45.760 fucking shows. When we was doing shit nobody 01:47:45.760 --> 01:47:47.800 was doing. When we were doing those lockdown 01:47:47.800 --> 01:47:51.520 shows, ooh, that was fun. That was wild times. 01:47:51.819 --> 01:47:54.840 It was already, we already have a community. 01:47:54.960 --> 01:47:56.859 We all have mutual respect for each other. But 01:47:56.859 --> 01:47:59.199 the thing that made that so special wasn't nobody 01:47:59.199 --> 01:48:02.020 doing this shit. That's what made it even, and 01:48:02.020 --> 01:48:04.550 it really, one thing about the pandemic, it made 01:48:04.550 --> 01:48:08.710 you appreciate life a lot more than before the 01:48:08.710 --> 01:48:10.829 pandemic. Yeah, it made you appreciate freedom. 01:48:11.050 --> 01:48:14.569 Freedom. The ability to do shows. Remember we 01:48:14.569 --> 01:48:16.369 did those shows outside and everybody was wearing 01:48:16.369 --> 01:48:20.189 a mask? It was so stupid. And they all got tested 01:48:20.189 --> 01:48:25.550 too? I had so much fun during the pandemic, I 01:48:25.550 --> 01:48:27.710 was almost embarrassed to show the pictures I 01:48:27.710 --> 01:48:31.569 wanted to show, like faceless shit. Yo, we would 01:48:31.569 --> 01:48:34.390 take pictures and people was like this, look 01:48:34.390 --> 01:48:36.470 at him. He could kill my grandmother. I'm like, 01:48:36.550 --> 01:48:38.989 all right, first of all, you did it, Dave did 01:48:38.989 --> 01:48:40.770 it. I was like, people's like this, oh, it must 01:48:40.770 --> 01:48:42.510 be nice to have rich friends that have testing 01:48:42.510 --> 01:48:43.789 machines. I was like, you're absolutely right. 01:48:44.130 --> 01:48:47.890 It is. It's beautiful. It is the most amazing 01:48:47.890 --> 01:48:51.510 shit ever. Dave Chappelle raped my nose for two 01:48:51.510 --> 01:48:54.350 summers in a row when we were doing the shows 01:48:54.350 --> 01:48:56.630 in the cornfields and shit. But this is what 01:48:56.630 --> 01:49:00.260 people don't understand. He took... The opportunity, 01:49:00.279 --> 01:49:02.920 that village of Yellow Springs, he made it as 01:49:02.920 --> 01:49:06.020 safe as it could be. Like any place we would 01:49:06.020 --> 01:49:08.819 go, hotels, everybody had an opportunity to get 01:49:08.819 --> 01:49:13.319 tested. And I remember, this was very interesting. 01:49:14.239 --> 01:49:17.300 When the bubble, we did one, this was Bob Saget. 01:49:17.609 --> 01:49:20.649 R .I .P. We were doing these shows. And I think 01:49:20.649 --> 01:49:24.069 that before Bob passed away, when he came out 01:49:24.069 --> 01:49:25.550 to Yellow Springs and was hanging out with Dave 01:49:25.550 --> 01:49:27.729 and us and everything, it gave him some incentive 01:49:27.729 --> 01:49:30.930 to want to go back on the road. He just got really 01:49:30.930 --> 01:49:34.949 excited about doing it again. We did like 55 01:49:34.949 --> 01:49:38.609 shows. The summer was over. The run was clear. 01:49:38.710 --> 01:49:41.710 We had no positives or anything. Dave extended 01:49:41.710 --> 01:49:45.130 the show another week. And that week was when 01:49:45.130 --> 01:49:48.420 the bubble popped. Right. And now everybody is 01:49:48.420 --> 01:49:51.300 like freaking out. Like, oh, my God, these same 01:49:51.300 --> 01:49:53.159 women that was people's coming out there when 01:49:53.159 --> 01:49:56.359 they was getting flown out in jets. They wouldn't 01:49:56.359 --> 01:49:58.239 get traffic. But Dave created the environment. 01:49:58.319 --> 01:50:00.300 He won his friends around. They was we was going 01:50:00.300 --> 01:50:01.979 to restaurants. We will have the whole spot. 01:50:02.100 --> 01:50:04.060 We was just doing all this stuff. Nobody was 01:50:04.060 --> 01:50:06.640 thinking about the possible consequences of that. 01:50:07.039 --> 01:50:08.699 And I mean, this one girl was like, oh, my God, 01:50:08.720 --> 01:50:10.659 I don't even know why I'm here. Then I looked 01:50:10.659 --> 01:50:13.140 at Dave. I was like, yo, man, we almost made 01:50:13.140 --> 01:50:16.149 it, man, through. He was like, Daniel. It's going 01:50:16.149 --> 01:50:18.489 to be OK. He said, you got to realize this is 01:50:18.489 --> 01:50:21.909 the reason why we test. When we first got our 01:50:21.909 --> 01:50:24.890 first positive, had we not been testing, it could 01:50:24.890 --> 01:50:27.189 have been crazy. And we got a first positive 01:50:27.189 --> 01:50:29.470 because dudes went to do somebody else's podcast 01:50:29.470 --> 01:50:31.670 and they didn't test. Remember that? I remember 01:50:31.670 --> 01:50:35.670 that. I remember that because I remember that 01:50:35.670 --> 01:50:38.550 scene. It was so funny. Yeah, that was here. 01:50:38.670 --> 01:50:42.239 Yeah. And it was like. Something was different 01:50:42.239 --> 01:50:44.859 because we had one positive, and you remember 01:50:44.859 --> 01:50:46.539 that backstage used to be packed out, right? 01:50:46.600 --> 01:50:48.939 It started getting lower and lower, right? It 01:50:48.939 --> 01:50:51.500 was basically like me, Syph sounds, somebody 01:50:51.500 --> 01:50:53.880 else was in the green room, right? And then Big 01:50:53.880 --> 01:50:56.180 J came. That's one of my friends, good friends. 01:50:56.300 --> 01:50:58.380 Big J came back, and he had this look on his 01:50:58.380 --> 01:51:01.300 face like it's over, right? He came in there, 01:51:01.340 --> 01:51:04.060 and I looked. I said, boss man got it. He's like, 01:51:04.180 --> 01:51:06.659 yep, right? And another thing Dave could have 01:51:06.659 --> 01:51:08.729 did. This is why I respect his character. He 01:51:08.729 --> 01:51:10.250 could have been, at that time, he could have 01:51:10.250 --> 01:51:12.170 just been in a mask, went on stage, went back 01:51:12.170 --> 01:51:14.369 out. He canceled the show. But the funniest shit, 01:51:14.510 --> 01:51:17.989 it's a hole at Stubbs. Room is sold out, right? 01:51:18.430 --> 01:51:21.130 And then Cena comes back, and Cena was like, 01:51:21.229 --> 01:51:24.869 I need you to go out there and tell people that 01:51:24.869 --> 01:51:27.470 the show was canceled, right? I said, you don't 01:51:27.470 --> 01:51:29.810 need me to do that shit, nigga. Because the minute, 01:51:29.949 --> 01:51:32.729 it's one thing, if I go out there, people are 01:51:32.729 --> 01:51:35.260 going to be like, show's starting. Right. And 01:51:35.260 --> 01:51:37.359 as a comedian, I'm not going to not tell jokes. 01:51:37.600 --> 01:51:39.180 And I'm like, oh, yeah, Dave, not going to show 01:51:39.180 --> 01:51:42.020 up. But that was the crazy thing about that. 01:51:42.739 --> 01:51:45.399 Everybody at the Lion Hotel, they was making 01:51:45.399 --> 01:51:48.399 jokes. Joe, they call it Corona COVID row because 01:51:48.399 --> 01:51:51.479 we had the whole floor had the whole floor floor 01:51:51.479 --> 01:51:54.579 locked down. Right. And everybody in our team 01:51:54.579 --> 01:51:58.260 got it. but it felt like an old school chicken 01:51:58.260 --> 01:51:59.880 pox party. You know what I'm saying? It's like, 01:51:59.920 --> 01:52:03.319 we got it. We got it. What I tell you, man, what 01:52:03.319 --> 01:52:05.979 we did, like everything was like, okay, make 01:52:05.979 --> 01:52:07.539 sure you had your vitamins, all that type of 01:52:07.539 --> 01:52:10.199 shit. But the beauty of it was we was like, you 01:52:10.199 --> 01:52:11.920 know, people was testing out like eight or nine 01:52:11.920 --> 01:52:14.060 days. Right. So we thought we was going to leave 01:52:14.060 --> 01:52:16.000 after a while. We was like, I was like, wait 01:52:16.000 --> 01:52:17.539 a minute. The next room was going to be in 10 01:52:17.539 --> 01:52:20.520 days. And for some reason. Everybody went back 01:52:20.520 --> 01:52:23.560 to being negative. We closed and did more shows 01:52:23.560 --> 01:52:25.340 and we got the fuck up out of here. But it was 01:52:25.340 --> 01:52:27.260 a beautiful time, man. It was a beautiful time. 01:52:27.359 --> 01:52:30.699 It was a fun time. It was a fun time. But it 01:52:30.699 --> 01:52:33.039 was crazy. And then we did that. What that fucking 01:52:33.039 --> 01:52:37.369 joint we did? It was in Tacoma. The Superdome. 01:52:38.170 --> 01:52:42.550 That was wild. 25 ,000? Whatever it was, we broke 01:52:42.550 --> 01:52:46.189 the Tacoma Dome record. I never been in a place 01:52:46.189 --> 01:52:48.890 where the laughter was so hard, it felt like 01:52:48.890 --> 01:52:52.010 helicopters. It was crazy. It was crazy. It was 01:52:52.010 --> 01:52:53.850 crazy. This is what I respect about what you 01:52:53.850 --> 01:52:56.250 guys did. You got people saying they doing arenas 01:52:56.250 --> 01:52:58.729 and shit, but normally, but that was pre -COVID, 01:52:58.810 --> 01:53:00.970 brother. It was pre -COVID? Yeah, that was pre 01:53:00.970 --> 01:53:02.729 -COVID. That was before everything popped off. 01:53:02.909 --> 01:53:04.970 What I will say about a real arena show, you 01:53:04.970 --> 01:53:08.329 got, The arena show where a quarter of the venue 01:53:08.329 --> 01:53:12.109 is being used for stage. Right? So it ain't the 01:53:12.109 --> 01:53:15.109 true capacity. Right. But the shows you motherfuckers 01:53:15.109 --> 01:53:19.369 was doing, it was in the round. Right. Well, 01:53:19.409 --> 01:53:21.310 the wildest thing was walking through the crowd 01:53:21.310 --> 01:53:24.310 to get to the stage. Man, crazy times. You've 01:53:24.310 --> 01:53:28.189 experienced this shit of that walk from the UFC 01:53:28.189 --> 01:53:31.710 shit. Man, I'm so grateful for you guys' friendship 01:53:31.710 --> 01:53:34.289 and everything. And for me, it was so special 01:53:34.289 --> 01:53:38.310 for me because, I didn't sell a ticket. Nobody 01:53:38.310 --> 01:53:40.670 else, no open sale. You and Dave sold those tickets, 01:53:40.729 --> 01:53:43.390 right? But the best feeling for me, Joe, was 01:53:43.390 --> 01:53:46.210 when I go out and DJ trauma and be like, you 01:53:46.210 --> 01:53:48.329 seen them on HBO's The Wire. You seen them on 01:53:48.329 --> 01:53:51.600 BMF, whatever. Simple line. But you fell in love 01:53:51.600 --> 01:53:53.920 with Ashley Larry Chappelle show and them people 01:53:53.920 --> 01:53:56.180 fucking go crazy. I don't give a fuck if you've 01:53:56.180 --> 01:53:58.220 ever been in the fist fight in your life when 01:53:58.220 --> 01:54:00.880 you come through them tunnels. You doing this 01:54:00.880 --> 01:54:02.779 shit right here. You feel like Tyson. Like, just 01:54:02.779 --> 01:54:05.619 give me a robe. Just give me a tie. I'm about 01:54:05.619 --> 01:54:08.020 to go beat these motherfuckers up. And every 01:54:08.020 --> 01:54:11.979 show we had, there was no room for being okay. 01:54:12.100 --> 01:54:14.399 You had to be on your game every time. Yeah. 01:54:14.810 --> 01:54:17.430 It was fun. It was a good time. Well, that was 01:54:17.430 --> 01:54:20.630 when all that COVID shit went down with me when 01:54:20.630 --> 01:54:23.510 CNN turned my face green. That was because of 01:54:23.510 --> 01:54:25.289 a Nashville show that we were doing that we had 01:54:25.289 --> 01:54:27.090 to cancel. Yeah, I didn't know that. That's what 01:54:27.090 --> 01:54:29.289 that was. Yeah, we were supposed to do a show 01:54:29.289 --> 01:54:31.949 that weekend, and I got COVID the previous weekend. 01:54:31.989 --> 01:54:35.430 I was doing an arena with Tony in Florida, and 01:54:35.430 --> 01:54:38.310 I got COVID in Florida, and then I made that 01:54:38.310 --> 01:54:41.930 video on like a Tuesday or a Wednesday. It was 01:54:41.930 --> 01:54:44.229 like the third day after I got COVID where I 01:54:44.229 --> 01:54:45.970 got over it. And I was like, you know, I feel 01:54:45.970 --> 01:54:47.989 fine, but we have to cancel the shows this weekend. 01:54:48.130 --> 01:54:49.989 And that's when all the shit went down because 01:54:49.989 --> 01:54:53.630 I took ivermectin. That was those reading shows. 01:54:53.630 --> 01:54:55.649 Oh, yeah, I remember that. He has to answer everything. 01:54:55.810 --> 01:54:57.630 Yo, if he don't have the answer, at least he's 01:54:57.630 --> 01:55:00.050 fucking trying to find it. It's so interesting. 01:55:00.350 --> 01:55:02.829 Well, whether or not I had the answer, the crazy 01:55:02.829 --> 01:55:04.890 thing is I was better. I was already better. 01:55:05.500 --> 01:55:09.439 And they turned my face green on CNN. Like, we 01:55:09.439 --> 01:55:12.560 got to see how crazy the media really is. Like, 01:55:12.579 --> 01:55:14.500 they didn't want to hear nothing, but you have 01:55:14.500 --> 01:55:16.600 to take this vaccine. And you have to do that. 01:55:16.680 --> 01:55:18.720 And if you didn't take this vaccine, you're a 01:55:18.720 --> 01:55:21.640 part of the problem. It's hard. I just don't, 01:55:21.640 --> 01:55:27.979 as devastating as that time was, I'm just, how 01:55:27.979 --> 01:55:32.220 is it just like fucking. over now is it herd 01:55:32.220 --> 01:55:34.680 immunity how is it just like yeah it's herd immunity 01:55:34.680 --> 01:55:37.819 it's it's yeah it's also you know everybody who 01:55:37.819 --> 01:55:40.859 got it got it you got immunity because of it 01:55:40.859 --> 01:55:44.079 and then also whatever variants are still left 01:55:44.079 --> 01:55:46.859 they're significantly diminished that's how viruses 01:55:46.859 --> 01:55:49.539 it's like a cold strand now right yes well that's 01:55:49.539 --> 01:55:52.640 how viruses generally go they become more transmissible 01:55:52.640 --> 01:55:55.479 but less potent over time Yeah, and that's what 01:55:55.479 --> 01:55:56.859 happened. I'm going to tell you, there was a 01:55:56.859 --> 01:55:59.680 time, though, man. I even said, man, maybe it 01:55:59.680 --> 01:56:02.100 was just something about how people got along 01:56:02.100 --> 01:56:04.119 with each other. I was like, we should do like 01:56:04.119 --> 01:56:06.779 once a year, just have a week of just lockdown. 01:56:08.140 --> 01:56:11.380 Yo, just so you can get it. It makes you appreciate 01:56:11.380 --> 01:56:13.699 freedom. That's for sure. It made me appreciate 01:56:13.699 --> 01:56:16.159 nature, bro. I bought a fucking house in Yellow 01:56:16.159 --> 01:56:18.199 Spring because I was like, you know what? Trees, 01:56:18.199 --> 01:56:20.779 woods. I don't know if the streets can handle 01:56:20.779 --> 01:56:24.119 this, but I became a bird watcher, bro. I watch 01:56:24.119 --> 01:56:29.819 birds. I watch birds. You know what that does 01:56:29.819 --> 01:56:32.960 to my street credit? What? To know the difference 01:56:32.960 --> 01:56:35.319 between a cardinal and a blue jay. Is that bad? 01:56:35.979 --> 01:56:44.020 It's not the most good. Listen. It's a blue jay 01:56:44.020 --> 01:56:46.100 call. I can't be in the street talking about 01:56:46.100 --> 01:56:50.300 those good shit. If you can't appreciate nature, 01:56:50.420 --> 01:56:53.819 that's whatever. That's a bullshit narrative. 01:56:54.539 --> 01:56:58.220 That's ridiculous. Here's the thing. I didn't 01:56:58.220 --> 01:57:01.680 crash out today. Didn't crash out. I know people 01:57:01.680 --> 01:57:03.600 think I'm a crash out king. It's not that. Sometimes 01:57:03.600 --> 01:57:05.579 I just need to talk. You mean on this show today? 01:57:05.979 --> 01:57:09.079 Yeah. What did I? No. No, you definitely accused 01:57:09.079 --> 01:57:10.819 Jamie of wearing a leather jacket. Jamie did 01:57:10.819 --> 01:57:13.100 have a leather jacket. He had a leather jacket 01:57:13.100 --> 01:57:15.680 on, man. And I think he brushed his eyebrows, 01:57:15.939 --> 01:57:19.880 too. It was everything. I was like, I've never 01:57:19.880 --> 01:57:23.319 seen this sexy side of Jamie. He had like a British 01:57:23.319 --> 01:57:26.819 accent. He was like, I think you want a book. 01:57:26.880 --> 01:57:34.640 I was like, who is this person, man? It was something 01:57:34.640 --> 01:57:37.199 different. We definitely went through something 01:57:37.199 --> 01:57:40.100 that most people would never experience in their 01:57:40.100 --> 01:57:43.439 life. Nope. And most previous generations never 01:57:43.439 --> 01:57:46.399 experienced it. Having a nationwide, worldwide 01:57:46.399 --> 01:57:49.159 pandemic that everybody freaked out and we didn't. 01:57:49.579 --> 01:57:51.899 Not only did we didn't freak out, we did shows. 01:57:51.920 --> 01:57:54.220 We had a good time. We hung out together. Those 01:57:54.220 --> 01:57:56.199 after parties when we go to the line, you had 01:57:56.199 --> 01:57:59.680 a DJ. We would laugh and laugh. We would laugh 01:57:59.680 --> 01:58:02.140 till 2, 3 o 'clock in the morning. You know, 01:58:02.300 --> 01:58:05.720 we had so much fun. Girl, I was dating the time. 01:58:05.779 --> 01:58:08.069 She couldn't believe this. She was like. I'll 01:58:08.069 --> 01:58:09.630 be like this. So what do you do? I was like, 01:58:09.710 --> 01:58:13.090 well, I was at the line kicking it with Dave 01:58:13.090 --> 01:58:14.489 and Joe. What was y 'all doing? Just talking 01:58:14.489 --> 01:58:16.329 and laughing till 3 .30 in the morning. They 01:58:16.329 --> 01:58:19.050 was like, get the fuck out of here. You was fucking. 01:58:19.470 --> 01:58:23.329 No, I wasn't. We was just on some brohood shit. 01:58:23.430 --> 01:58:26.029 It was just, it was really good. And we also 01:58:26.029 --> 01:58:28.409 realized how special it was that we could do 01:58:28.409 --> 01:58:30.149 this while the whole world was locked down. Yep. 01:58:30.720 --> 01:58:32.579 I'm telling you, I was embarrassed to show pictures. 01:58:32.699 --> 01:58:34.460 My mother would call me. You better be careful 01:58:34.460 --> 01:58:36.560 out there. I'm like, man, I'm getting tested. 01:58:36.659 --> 01:58:38.840 We got tested more than probably anybody in the 01:58:38.840 --> 01:58:41.220 country. I got tested every day because I was 01:58:41.220 --> 01:58:42.979 doing podcasts through the whole thing. I did 01:58:42.979 --> 01:58:45.119 your show doing that one time. Yeah. And then 01:58:45.119 --> 01:58:47.760 we didn't. I sat down before I got the results. 01:58:48.720 --> 01:58:51.399 The last time I was here, you was like, did he 01:58:51.399 --> 01:58:55.359 get the test? I'm like. I'm like, please don't 01:58:55.359 --> 01:58:57.279 come in here like, get this motherfucker out 01:58:57.279 --> 01:58:59.340 of here. Well, we definitely had a couple people 01:58:59.340 --> 01:59:01.420 that tested positive. We had to get them out. 01:59:01.880 --> 01:59:04.359 And I tested positive once. But the thing about 01:59:04.359 --> 01:59:07.420 it, taking those precautions, you could isolate 01:59:07.420 --> 01:59:09.340 it. You knew where it came and you shut it down. 01:59:09.420 --> 01:59:11.100 That's one thing. If you're not doing that, it's 01:59:11.100 --> 01:59:14.079 all over the place. Just think about it. Imagine 01:59:14.079 --> 01:59:16.510 if Jamie. Would have got COVID then. We would 01:59:16.510 --> 01:59:18.750 have never seen his sexy side now. Jamie got 01:59:18.750 --> 01:59:21.350 COVID. He got COVID before anybody. He got COVID 01:59:21.350 --> 01:59:23.430 really early on when there was no vaccine, no 01:59:23.430 --> 01:59:25.630 treatment, no nothing. He had to take a whole 01:59:25.630 --> 01:59:29.850 week off. Maybe that's why he has the attitude 01:59:29.850 --> 01:59:34.109 that he has. Yo, y 'all get all this sexiness. 01:59:34.109 --> 01:59:36.170 But we did the Kanye podcast. You had COVID that 01:59:36.170 --> 01:59:38.310 week, right? Yeah. Yeah, he missed the Kanye 01:59:38.310 --> 01:59:42.390 podcast. Yeah, but I'm sorry Jamie if you thought 01:59:42.390 --> 01:59:44.130 I said anything that was kind of disrespectful 01:59:44.130 --> 01:59:47.369 to you care. I was just totally false No, it 01:59:47.369 --> 01:59:49.789 wasn't I'm telling you that fucking ponytail. 01:59:49.949 --> 01:59:52.130 I don't know what the fuck he did about it like 01:59:52.130 --> 01:59:55.189 a Steven Seagal ponytail back and not only that 01:59:55.189 --> 01:59:58.750 but he put his hair back like this Hmm almost 01:59:58.750 --> 02:00:00.869 like the like a Diddy Party. That's how he started 02:00:00.869 --> 02:00:04.449 Diddy Parties oiled up Yeah, oh, I'm gonna say 02:00:04.449 --> 02:00:07.789 that cuz I was never mind I never went to a Diddy 02:00:07.789 --> 02:00:09.569 Park. I have a photo, but I never went to a Diddy 02:00:09.569 --> 02:00:14.170 Park. Jesus Christ. Yeah, it's like, I think 02:00:14.170 --> 02:00:15.989 people are going to be wiser if something like 02:00:15.989 --> 02:00:18.390 that happens again. Could it ever happen again? 02:00:18.470 --> 02:00:21.449 Yeah, 100%. Yeah, 100%. There's a lot of people 02:00:21.449 --> 02:00:23.029 that think they engineered that whole thing. 02:00:23.050 --> 02:00:25.970 They wanted it to happen. It's the largest upward 02:00:25.970 --> 02:00:30.010 transfer of wealth in human history. Small businesses 02:00:30.010 --> 02:00:33.229 went down. Big businesses got made more money. 02:00:33.350 --> 02:00:36.520 Look what it did to Zoom. Yep. Zoom took off. 02:00:36.640 --> 02:00:40.819 I remember Zoom because I had a show in Naples 02:00:40.819 --> 02:00:42.600 or whatever. I met this doctor that he wanted 02:00:42.600 --> 02:00:45.000 me to be on his podcast. And I was like, how 02:00:45.000 --> 02:00:45.920 are we going to do it? He said, we can do it 02:00:45.920 --> 02:00:48.720 by Zoom. This was when it was only for business 02:00:48.720 --> 02:00:51.699 people. It was really like the nerdy thing. Yeah, 02:00:51.720 --> 02:00:53.619 that's what it used to be. It used to be, but 02:00:53.619 --> 02:00:56.210 the pandemic. It blew it up. It was like now, 02:00:56.430 --> 02:00:59.569 Zoom is like, that's the best way. You don't 02:00:59.569 --> 02:01:01.050 want to talk to somebody on the phone. They call 02:01:01.050 --> 02:01:03.310 you, oh, I'm on a Zoom right now. It is so like 02:01:03.310 --> 02:01:05.369 in everybody's household and that shit blew up. 02:01:05.430 --> 02:01:07.109 So many businesses did the same thing. Is anybody 02:01:07.109 --> 02:01:09.850 using that anymore? Zoom? Yeah. They use it for 02:01:09.850 --> 02:01:13.460 an excuse not to talk to somebody. Do they do 02:01:13.460 --> 02:01:15.899 Zoom podcasts anymore? Do people do Zoom podcasts? 02:01:16.260 --> 02:01:19.039 I never hear that term. It used to be things 02:01:19.039 --> 02:01:21.100 like, oh, we're going to do it on Zoom. I don't 02:01:21.100 --> 02:01:23.000 hear that anymore. A few other platforms exist 02:01:23.000 --> 02:01:25.020 now. I don't even think people discuss it. Yeah, 02:01:25.079 --> 02:01:26.779 they have one. What was that, Clubhouse, whatever, 02:01:26.960 --> 02:01:29.859 all of these things. Oh, yeah, Clubhouse. Clubhouse 02:01:29.859 --> 02:01:32.079 is a big one. That was a big one where people 02:01:32.079 --> 02:01:34.300 were essentially doing podcasts. Like anybody 02:01:34.300 --> 02:01:36.979 could just like chime in. Talk shit. People was 02:01:36.979 --> 02:01:38.520 getting like a million followers in three days 02:01:38.520 --> 02:01:40.279 and shit. Like, yeah. Oh, yeah. There was a lot 02:01:40.279 --> 02:01:41.479 of that. And a lot of people thought that that 02:01:41.479 --> 02:01:43.760 was going to keep going. Like, Clubhouse is going 02:01:43.760 --> 02:01:45.359 to be the new thing. I'm like, this is just bad 02:01:45.359 --> 02:01:48.439 podcasting. And it's what, there was only, so 02:01:48.439 --> 02:01:51.899 many things. That battle, the versus battles 02:01:51.899 --> 02:01:54.159 that they do now when they have like, it's mostly, 02:01:54.239 --> 02:01:56.319 it's been hip hop and R &B. I think it was, who 02:01:56.319 --> 02:02:01.659 was it? It was, damn. Swiss Beats and Timbaland, 02:02:01.720 --> 02:02:03.600 I think. They started this thing during the pandemic. 02:02:03.939 --> 02:02:06.720 It was versus, right? Where you have an artist 02:02:06.720 --> 02:02:09.420 versus another artist in like a competitive type 02:02:09.420 --> 02:02:11.039 of situation. They didn't win anything, but it 02:02:11.039 --> 02:02:13.399 was just entertaining for everybody. And that 02:02:13.399 --> 02:02:16.260 went from like, it was so low level. Like people 02:02:16.260 --> 02:02:18.140 was in front of their computers. It was freezing 02:02:18.140 --> 02:02:20.399 up and everything, but it was what everybody 02:02:20.399 --> 02:02:22.279 was doing. Now that's like one of the biggest 02:02:22.279 --> 02:02:25.699 things now. They did one at Madison Square Gardens. 02:02:25.859 --> 02:02:28.199 Like it's a big thing now when you want to, it's 02:02:28.199 --> 02:02:31.819 just like a competition. I think they had cash 02:02:31.819 --> 02:02:34.880 money and no limit records, but it's very, I 02:02:34.880 --> 02:02:36.560 don't see no white versus, but it's a popular 02:02:36.560 --> 02:02:38.859 thing, and it started because of the pandemic. 02:02:39.039 --> 02:02:40.979 Well, so many businesses started during the pandemic 02:02:40.979 --> 02:02:42.720 because a lot of people got laid off, so they 02:02:42.720 --> 02:02:44.979 started their own business. A lot of online businesses 02:02:44.979 --> 02:02:47.500 started. A lot of people quit their jobs because 02:02:47.500 --> 02:02:48.880 they realized, look, they could just take this 02:02:48.880 --> 02:02:50.640 shit away from me at any minute. Why am I doing 02:02:50.640 --> 02:02:52.220 something that I hate when I thought there was 02:02:52.220 --> 02:02:54.079 security in it? There's no security in it. I'm 02:02:54.079 --> 02:02:56.119 going to start my own business. Also, even like 02:02:56.119 --> 02:03:00.489 you, you're an example of, of what happens when 02:03:00.489 --> 02:03:04.710 you finally realize that you don't need Hollywood 02:03:04.710 --> 02:03:07.569 the way it used to be. No. Well, we figured that 02:03:07.569 --> 02:03:10.289 out a long time ago. We figured that out when 02:03:10.289 --> 02:03:13.630 the podcast started kicking off in like the early 02:03:13.630 --> 02:03:17.590 2010s. I realized that. I was like, this is, 02:03:17.649 --> 02:03:20.329 I don't need TV shows anymore. We figured that 02:03:20.329 --> 02:03:23.649 out in like 2013, 2014. And Hollywood is not 02:03:23.649 --> 02:03:28.220 like it used to be. I'm a very old school guy, 02:03:28.359 --> 02:03:31.500 but I remember when I first started, you couldn't 02:03:31.500 --> 02:03:33.680 make it in this business. You had to be in New 02:03:33.680 --> 02:03:36.739 York or L .A. Yep. There was no producers going 02:03:36.739 --> 02:03:39.760 to, they wasn't going to Toledo, Ohio. There 02:03:39.760 --> 02:03:41.539 was no way. This was big. Well, there was no 02:03:41.539 --> 02:03:44.079 comedy communities outside of New York and L 02:03:44.079 --> 02:03:46.699 .A. No, not at all. Not a real community. There 02:03:46.699 --> 02:03:49.460 might have been like. a good club that had some 02:03:49.460 --> 02:03:52.680 like Denver always had like good opening acts, 02:03:52.800 --> 02:03:56.399 good, good, good community. But it wasn't like 02:03:56.399 --> 02:03:59.779 a real hub like Austin is now. And that wouldn't 02:03:59.779 --> 02:04:01.659 have happened if it hadn't been for the pandemic. 02:04:02.020 --> 02:04:03.859 People wouldn't have moved. They wouldn't have 02:04:03.859 --> 02:04:05.840 moved. No. And you brought a whole community 02:04:05.840 --> 02:04:09.100 here as much as this place was always big for 02:04:09.100 --> 02:04:11.420 music or whatever. But I mean, there's no way 02:04:11.420 --> 02:04:14.520 anybody can not. agree with like what you did 02:04:14.520 --> 02:04:17.260 and what you made it appealing to a lot of people 02:04:17.260 --> 02:04:20.239 is that you could go somewhere else get a better 02:04:20.239 --> 02:04:23.300 quality of life yeah And everything lower cost 02:04:23.300 --> 02:04:25.520 of living, better quality of life, no traffic, 02:04:25.619 --> 02:04:28.000 nicer people. Yeah. And no Hollywood bullshit. 02:04:28.000 --> 02:04:32.000 The problem with the L .A. is always going to 02:04:32.000 --> 02:04:36.180 be poisoned by the the idea of going there to 02:04:36.180 --> 02:04:39.539 become famous. Right. That whole idea was it 02:04:39.539 --> 02:04:42.199 was permeated in the culture of L .A. and that 02:04:42.199 --> 02:04:44.680 fame was like the number one commodity. But back 02:04:44.680 --> 02:04:46.979 then it was that was the case. It was the case. 02:04:48.029 --> 02:04:49.729 Go ahead. I'm sorry. But the problem is that's 02:04:49.729 --> 02:04:53.470 bad for art. That's bad for your ability to produce 02:04:53.470 --> 02:04:55.529 shit. I mean, you got great comics that came 02:04:55.529 --> 02:04:57.909 out of L .A., but that was in spite of what L 02:04:57.909 --> 02:05:01.310 .A. had to offer. It wasn't because of. Whereas 02:05:01.310 --> 02:05:04.289 Austin, like the main reason people come here, 02:05:04.329 --> 02:05:06.510 first of all, is Kill Tony. Because like you 02:05:06.510 --> 02:05:09.239 said, Kill Tony is one of the rare. places where 02:05:09.239 --> 02:05:12.199 you can be a comic that's been doing comedy three, 02:05:12.300 --> 02:05:14.520 four years, even just start now, but you've got 02:05:14.520 --> 02:05:17.119 some talent, you can have a fucking career, like 02:05:17.119 --> 02:05:19.479 a real career, and it'll launch. Look, you've 02:05:19.479 --> 02:05:22.199 got Cam Patterson who's on SNL right now. You've 02:05:22.199 --> 02:05:24.439 got all these people like William Montgomery, 02:05:24.720 --> 02:05:26.720 David Lucas. They're killing it on the road, 02:05:26.819 --> 02:05:29.899 selling out everywhere they go. Ari Matty. These 02:05:29.899 --> 02:05:31.880 guys, I mean, they have a real career now because 02:05:31.880 --> 02:05:32.739 of Tony. But you know another thing that they 02:05:32.739 --> 02:05:34.600 don't understand is like this is what I say, 02:05:34.699 --> 02:05:38.649 and I use you as an example. Whenever you hear 02:05:38.649 --> 02:05:40.710 about somebody saying that they want to do a 02:05:40.710 --> 02:05:42.489 podcast, the first thing, a certain name is like, 02:05:42.590 --> 02:05:45.609 I want to be Joe Rogan. And I said this before, 02:05:45.770 --> 02:05:50.250 nobody wanted to be Joe Rogan fucking 25 years 02:05:50.250 --> 02:05:52.289 ago. They didn't want to put the work in. They 02:05:52.289 --> 02:05:54.649 want to see the accolades, the fortune you've 02:05:54.649 --> 02:05:57.149 built. They see that part, but nobody sees the 02:05:57.149 --> 02:05:59.930 hard work. Even with Kill Tony, the fact that 02:05:59.930 --> 02:06:02.109 during the pandemic, when he could have let the 02:06:02.109 --> 02:06:04.369 whole platform just fall apart, like we don't 02:06:04.369 --> 02:06:06.710 know when we're going to do it. He dug deeper. 02:06:06.989 --> 02:06:08.409 and figure out a way I'm just going to continue 02:06:08.409 --> 02:06:14.630 to do it. Nobody ever respects the journey. And 02:06:14.630 --> 02:06:16.649 if you think about it, Joe, and you probably 02:06:16.649 --> 02:06:19.829 the same way, most successful people, and I know 02:06:19.829 --> 02:06:22.109 some very, very wealthy people, right? And when 02:06:22.109 --> 02:06:24.170 they talk about their career or whatever, they 02:06:24.170 --> 02:06:27.810 hardly ever talk about the yacht. They never 02:06:27.810 --> 02:06:31.289 talk about the fucking mansion they got in Paris. 02:06:31.390 --> 02:06:33.090 You know what they talk about? It was just me 02:06:33.090 --> 02:06:35.579 and my wife, and we drove a Toyota. you know, 02:06:35.600 --> 02:06:37.920 Toyota Corolla, and we was like, we was down 02:06:37.920 --> 02:06:40.859 to our last 10 bucks, and she did this. That's 02:06:40.859 --> 02:06:43.300 the most interesting part of the story for most 02:06:43.300 --> 02:06:44.739 successful people, and people don't understand 02:06:44.739 --> 02:06:46.699 that. Right, they only think about where you 02:06:46.699 --> 02:06:48.699 got to, and I want to get to there, too. They 02:06:48.699 --> 02:06:50.939 want to skip everything. I hear people right 02:06:50.939 --> 02:06:53.619 now, I want to be like, stand up. I'm like, all 02:06:53.619 --> 02:06:56.699 right, well, no, when I was doing HBO's The Wire, 02:06:56.920 --> 02:06:59.220 right, this guy I knew, I grew up with, he was 02:06:59.220 --> 02:07:02.460 like, this motherfucker said, yo, D, What's the 02:07:02.460 --> 02:07:04.600 number to the wire? I want to call him. I want 02:07:04.600 --> 02:07:08.199 to be on the wire. Like there's a wire. Hey, 02:07:08.340 --> 02:07:13.220 is this David Simon? Yeah. I could be Omar. And 02:07:13.220 --> 02:07:17.239 guess what? If I knew the number to the wire, 02:07:17.720 --> 02:07:19.859 I'm not giving it to you. I'm not giving it to 02:07:19.859 --> 02:07:23.960 you. I want you to get that busy signal. That's 02:07:23.960 --> 02:07:27.399 what it is. Nobody ever wants. They respect the 02:07:27.399 --> 02:07:30.359 grind, and everybody wants the rewards of the 02:07:30.359 --> 02:07:32.979 grind. But it's not everybody. It's just people 02:07:32.979 --> 02:07:36.079 that are missing it. They're not getting what 02:07:36.079 --> 02:07:38.939 it's all about. Kill Tony is a great example 02:07:38.939 --> 02:07:41.100 of that. I was there in the early days of Kill 02:07:41.100 --> 02:07:44.439 Tony. When Tony started out in 2013, there was 02:07:44.439 --> 02:07:46.239 no one in the crowd. There was no one there. 02:07:46.319 --> 02:07:49.520 It was a small show. You'd have a few comedians. 02:07:49.859 --> 02:07:52.300 I was doing it back before I was back at the 02:07:52.300 --> 02:07:54.180 comedy store, but I was still banned. So I was 02:07:54.180 --> 02:07:57.409 doing it from the ice house. And he didn't do 02:07:57.409 --> 02:07:59.050 it thinking it was going to be the number one 02:07:59.050 --> 02:08:01.229 show in the world and he was going to be on Netflix. 02:08:01.369 --> 02:08:04.510 And he did it because it was fun to do. And he 02:08:04.510 --> 02:08:06.369 loved it. And he wanted to do a great job. And 02:08:06.369 --> 02:08:07.989 he wanted to make it better every week. And he 02:08:07.989 --> 02:08:09.689 kept doing it and kept getting better at it. 02:08:09.750 --> 02:08:11.729 It's the same thing with this podcast. This podcast 02:08:11.729 --> 02:08:14.369 didn't make money for years. It didn't make any 02:08:14.369 --> 02:08:16.869 money for years. It cost money. But the most 02:08:16.869 --> 02:08:19.449 successful people are the ones, like even when 02:08:19.449 --> 02:08:22.979 I first started doing comedy, right? I never, 02:08:23.140 --> 02:08:25.119 do you have some comedians that go out there 02:08:25.119 --> 02:08:26.680 like, I want to do comedy, I want to get the 02:08:26.680 --> 02:08:29.600 money, I want to get pussy off of it, right? 02:08:29.640 --> 02:08:32.000 When I first started, I never, the only thing 02:08:32.000 --> 02:08:34.710 I wanted to do, Joe, I wanted to be good. I was 02:08:34.710 --> 02:08:36.970 like this, if I'm good, all those other things 02:08:36.970 --> 02:08:39.329 that are rewards of that, they will happen. But 02:08:39.329 --> 02:08:41.489 I had to be good first. And here's the thing 02:08:41.489 --> 02:08:44.010 that I think, especially when you have these 02:08:44.010 --> 02:08:46.250 like social media communities or whatever, the 02:08:46.250 --> 02:08:48.590 thing that the interesting thing about it, it's 02:08:48.590 --> 02:08:52.869 kind of hard to tell somebody to work on their 02:08:52.869 --> 02:08:56.109 craft when they're getting all the perks of what 02:08:56.109 --> 02:08:58.729 the craft can present them at an early. Early 02:08:58.729 --> 02:09:01.489 stage. It's hard to tell somebody that's only 02:09:01.489 --> 02:09:03.890 been doing it for two years just making $50 ,000 02:09:03.890 --> 02:09:06.489 or $100 ,000 a month off of monetizing something. 02:09:06.729 --> 02:09:09.470 They're like, you need to get better. Hello? 02:09:10.170 --> 02:09:13.329 Well, they don't have to. Do whatever the fuck 02:09:13.329 --> 02:09:15.090 you want to do. If you just want to do that, 02:09:15.170 --> 02:09:17.770 do that. And also, some of them are going to 02:09:17.770 --> 02:09:19.470 figure it out anyway. Some of them are going 02:09:19.470 --> 02:09:22.369 to figure out, I'm not getting better. I'll get 02:09:22.369 --> 02:09:24.960 better. Work harder at it. Right. There's going 02:09:24.960 --> 02:09:26.520 to be people that don't figure things out no 02:09:26.520 --> 02:09:28.399 matter what you do in this life. There's going 02:09:28.399 --> 02:09:29.779 to be a bunch of people that have a distorted 02:09:29.779 --> 02:09:32.539 perception of what success is all about and what 02:09:32.539 --> 02:09:34.920 you really want. It's always going to be that. 02:09:35.539 --> 02:09:39.100 This is an interesting question. What is your 02:09:39.100 --> 02:09:43.319 definition of success? Happiness. Happiness in 02:09:43.319 --> 02:09:45.600 doing something that you enjoy doing. It's something 02:09:45.600 --> 02:09:47.119 that's challenging. So what is your definition 02:09:47.119 --> 02:09:51.560 of happiness? Friendship, love, doing something 02:09:51.560 --> 02:09:54.819 I enjoy doing, doing it well. doing it better 02:09:54.819 --> 02:09:57.319 all the time, getting better at it, you know, 02:09:57.340 --> 02:09:59.600 and struggle. You're always going to have some 02:09:59.600 --> 02:10:02.340 kind of a struggle. And that struggle, hopefully, 02:10:02.380 --> 02:10:04.640 is you trying to be better at the thing that 02:10:04.640 --> 02:10:07.260 you're doing. You? What gives you? This is an 02:10:07.260 --> 02:10:11.359 interesting question. What gives you the incentive 02:10:11.359 --> 02:10:17.739 to always continue to want to perform? What gives 02:10:17.739 --> 02:10:20.039 you incentive to always want to do Joe Rogan 02:10:20.039 --> 02:10:22.000 and Friends when you could just sit back and 02:10:22.000 --> 02:10:23.119 fucking just do everything? Because it's fun. 02:10:23.800 --> 02:10:26.260 It's fun. It's, first of all, the Green Room 02:10:26.260 --> 02:10:28.180 on Tuesday and Wednesday nights at the Mothership. 02:10:28.180 --> 02:10:30.039 Some of the funniest times I've ever had in my 02:10:30.039 --> 02:10:32.960 fucking life. It's so fun. We have so much fun 02:10:32.960 --> 02:10:35.319 there. There's Ron White there and Shane Gillis 02:10:35.319 --> 02:10:39.119 and Tony. It's fun. I mean, it's community. It 02:10:39.119 --> 02:10:40.239 sounds like you're trying to get me to change 02:10:40.239 --> 02:10:42.180 my flight. We enjoy our times. Would you want 02:10:42.180 --> 02:10:45.319 to come on? I got to come to Tuesday. What are 02:10:45.319 --> 02:10:49.520 you doing tomorrow? Come on. What do you got 02:10:49.520 --> 02:10:51.619 going on tomorrow? Are you headed back to Ohio? 02:10:52.039 --> 02:10:55.340 No, I'm going to L .A. Do you have a show? I 02:10:55.340 --> 02:10:57.460 got a son. Oh, okay. Well, that's different. 02:10:57.560 --> 02:10:59.640 That's more important. But I can just give him 02:10:59.640 --> 02:11:04.180 some Roblox money. He'll be all right. He'll 02:11:04.180 --> 02:11:07.119 be like, yo, I'll give you some Roblox money. 02:11:07.180 --> 02:11:09.119 He'll be cool. Let me tell you, I might, because, 02:11:09.180 --> 02:11:11.359 Cam, I wish I would have even thought about it 02:11:11.359 --> 02:11:14.720 before. But I might, because. I haven't had that 02:11:14.720 --> 02:11:17.520 experience. Oh, calm down then, if you can. If 02:11:17.520 --> 02:11:19.960 your son's cool with it, do it. If not, there's 02:11:19.960 --> 02:11:21.720 always another time. I can brag to him. And this 02:11:21.720 --> 02:11:23.500 is another thing about me being an older dad. 02:11:23.600 --> 02:11:25.239 Like, my son is really at age, he could be my 02:11:25.239 --> 02:11:29.159 grandson. I don't have time to do all those instilled 02:11:29.159 --> 02:11:32.260 vials and morals and shit. I'm like this, will 02:11:32.260 --> 02:11:35.779 Candy shut this motherfucker up? Yo, I'm like, 02:11:35.840 --> 02:11:37.680 yo, let's go to McDonald's or whatever. But, 02:11:37.699 --> 02:11:39.159 yeah, I'm going to say I would definitely consider 02:11:39.159 --> 02:11:42.159 that. Consider it. Yeah. But that's what I like. 02:11:42.479 --> 02:11:44.319 I mean, I'm just enjoying my life and I like 02:11:44.319 --> 02:11:46.060 to do things that I find that are interesting 02:11:46.060 --> 02:11:48.739 and challenging. And I like to have conversations 02:11:48.739 --> 02:11:51.239 with interesting people. And I like the fact 02:11:51.239 --> 02:11:53.279 that people enjoy it still. You know, when I 02:11:53.279 --> 02:11:57.479 first met you, you know, and I already knew that 02:11:57.479 --> 02:12:01.300 you had the ultimate platform, right? And I never, 02:12:01.399 --> 02:12:03.460 this is me, and I don't know if this is what 02:12:03.460 --> 02:12:05.500 happened, but I was like, I never want to be 02:12:05.500 --> 02:12:07.880 like, hey, Joe Rogan, I'm Donnie Ronson, so -and 02:12:07.880 --> 02:12:10.300 -so. And the only respect I ever wanted to get 02:12:10.300 --> 02:12:11.920 from my peers and people that were doing it was 02:12:11.920 --> 02:12:15.159 like, from the stage you know I always like I 02:12:15.159 --> 02:12:17.600 was like if we ever make the connection I wanted 02:12:17.600 --> 02:12:20.140 to be off of yo this motherfucker is funny first 02:12:20.140 --> 02:12:22.739 not just like hey you know I rock with Dave and 02:12:22.739 --> 02:12:25.140 I think that was what happened I used to spend 02:12:25.140 --> 02:12:29.140 time and I never even to this day I don't you 02:12:29.140 --> 02:12:33.340 know I just look at like I just want people you 02:12:33.340 --> 02:12:36.159 can respect me as a man and respect my character 02:12:36.159 --> 02:12:38.850 whatever but At the end of the day, what I love 02:12:38.850 --> 02:12:40.670 to do the most is stand up. I want you to be 02:12:40.670 --> 02:12:42.750 like, yo, this motherfucker puts the work in 02:12:42.750 --> 02:12:45.289 and then we can build. Everything off of that. 02:12:45.329 --> 02:12:47.869 That's the respect I want. I want the respect 02:12:47.869 --> 02:12:50.369 from what I put in, the work I put in. If people 02:12:50.369 --> 02:12:51.989 can acknowledge that, then that's what builds 02:12:51.989 --> 02:12:54.350 my relationship with you. It's built my relationships 02:12:54.350 --> 02:12:58.949 with all of these guys. Bird, all of these people 02:12:58.949 --> 02:13:01.989 that I fuck with now, it ain't because anything 02:13:01.989 --> 02:13:04.689 other than, like, yo, he's a dope comic, and 02:13:04.689 --> 02:13:06.369 then you can find out that I'm a good dude after 02:13:06.369 --> 02:13:09.470 that. Yeah, it's that, and then after that, it's 02:13:09.470 --> 02:13:12.880 got to be like, are you cool? Right. Is he fun 02:13:12.880 --> 02:13:14.979 to hang out with? Right. Yeah. Barry Kess said 02:13:14.979 --> 02:13:17.199 that one time. He said that in one of his podcasts. 02:13:17.640 --> 02:13:19.979 It's one of the things that separate like who 02:13:19.979 --> 02:13:22.199 goes on the road or so -and -so is if you're 02:13:22.199 --> 02:13:24.819 a good hang. Yeah. Oh, my God. That's everything. 02:13:25.260 --> 02:13:27.340 I don't know how many people quote Barry Kess, 02:13:27.359 --> 02:13:29.119 but I want to share this story. You might be 02:13:29.119 --> 02:13:31.899 the only one. You're probably the only one. But 02:13:31.899 --> 02:13:35.300 you said something earlier about. Undeniable, 02:13:35.500 --> 02:13:37.539 right? Yeah. I remember when I first moved from 02:13:37.539 --> 02:13:39.960 D .C. and I moved up to New York, I was doing 02:13:39.960 --> 02:13:41.579 the Chitlin circuit, the black circuit. I was 02:13:41.579 --> 02:13:43.380 popular in the black community, whatever. I was 02:13:43.380 --> 02:13:44.859 like, I don't think this is going to be enough. 02:13:45.279 --> 02:13:47.680 I want to do the mainstream stuff. I want to 02:13:47.680 --> 02:13:51.020 do these other things, right? And Barry Katz, 02:13:51.039 --> 02:13:53.779 Dave used to host this comedy night at this place 02:13:53.779 --> 02:13:57.359 called El Flamingos in D .C., in New York. And 02:13:57.359 --> 02:13:59.479 Barry Katz saw me there one day. He was like, 02:13:59.520 --> 02:14:02.460 I don't think I've ever seen. a comedian that 02:14:02.460 --> 02:14:04.880 go in front of an audience that were ready to 02:14:04.880 --> 02:14:08.000 rip someone's head off and you could hear silence. 02:14:08.319 --> 02:14:10.079 You know, that's the control I had with the audience. 02:14:10.140 --> 02:14:12.680 So we built sort of a respect for each other. 02:14:12.960 --> 02:14:15.859 And I remember one time I was at the Comedy Cellar 02:14:15.859 --> 02:14:18.420 and he was there. And I knew that he was, back 02:14:18.420 --> 02:14:20.140 then, whatever you want to say about him, nobody 02:14:20.140 --> 02:14:23.479 had a roster bigger than Barry Katz. Back then 02:14:23.479 --> 02:14:29.239 in like 97 or whatever, he had everybody. The 02:14:29.239 --> 02:14:31.800 list goes on and on. And I knew he was a fan 02:14:31.800 --> 02:14:34.439 of mine. And I said, Barry, man, I'm trying to 02:14:34.439 --> 02:14:37.539 work these clubs, these mainstream clubs, but 02:14:37.539 --> 02:14:40.859 I'm having a hard time getting past these clubs. 02:14:41.039 --> 02:14:42.920 I was like, could you make a phone call or whatever 02:14:42.920 --> 02:14:45.119 for me? And he looked at me. He said, Donnell. 02:14:45.220 --> 02:14:48.039 He said. This is what you do. I'll probably do 02:14:48.039 --> 02:14:50.579 the worst. Everybody does a better Barry Ketchum. 02:14:50.579 --> 02:14:53.699 You're going to do Barry like this. Yes. Okay, 02:14:53.840 --> 02:14:55.420 I'll try to get it. He was like, this is what 02:14:55.420 --> 02:15:00.079 you do. And slow it down. He said, Donnell, just 02:15:00.079 --> 02:15:04.800 rip. Right, he said. Yeah, be undeniable. That's 02:15:04.800 --> 02:15:07.079 what he said. He said, just be. He said, I'm 02:15:07.079 --> 02:15:09.079 not talking. And I tell, this is advice I give 02:15:09.079 --> 02:15:10.960 people. They say, well, I need so -and -so. I 02:15:10.960 --> 02:15:13.520 was like, I'm not talking about have one good 02:15:13.520 --> 02:15:16.159 set and you have four bad sets. I'm talking about 02:15:16.159 --> 02:15:19.880 the consistency where every time somebody sees 02:15:19.880 --> 02:15:22.739 you go on that stage, you blowing the roof off. 02:15:23.439 --> 02:15:26.380 And once you do that, if the managers are going 02:15:26.380 --> 02:15:28.420 to come to you, they're going to hear about it. 02:15:28.460 --> 02:15:29.920 That's one of the things that a lot of people 02:15:29.920 --> 02:15:32.829 try to skip. They're like, oh, how was your set? 02:15:32.930 --> 02:15:35.449 It was okay, but I can't talk to you. Unless 02:15:35.449 --> 02:15:38.989 you just straight just destroying shit everywhere, 02:15:39.270 --> 02:15:42.510 then you got other shit to work on. Yeah, and 02:15:42.510 --> 02:15:44.390 there's also a lot of people that are very delusional 02:15:44.390 --> 02:15:46.489 about how well they're doing because they want 02:15:46.489 --> 02:15:48.949 so much. They want it all to be about them. So 02:15:48.949 --> 02:15:50.489 they think they should have already had this. 02:15:50.489 --> 02:15:52.069 They should have already had that. Why don't 02:15:52.069 --> 02:15:54.069 I have a sitcom? Why don't I have a this? Why 02:15:54.069 --> 02:15:56.029 don't I have a that? And I always said this is 02:15:56.029 --> 02:15:57.729 another thing. Even with these lineups, you do 02:15:57.729 --> 02:16:00.520 these shows, whatever. Always say that you have 02:16:00.520 --> 02:16:03.579 time to have a defining moment. If you're in 02:16:03.579 --> 02:16:07.479 a room, right, and for some reason the room is 02:16:07.479 --> 02:16:10.079 on fire, the club is on fire, everybody is ripping, 02:16:10.220 --> 02:16:13.680 you probably won't stand out as much as that 02:16:13.680 --> 02:16:16.859 night when everybody was bombing. You've seen 02:16:16.859 --> 02:16:19.579 rooms where everybody come back and say that 02:16:19.579 --> 02:16:21.300 crowd was weird, but then you got one motherfucker 02:16:21.300 --> 02:16:23.020 back there like this, I don't give a fuck what 02:16:23.020 --> 02:16:27.619 y 'all doing. I'm going to elevate this. Those 02:16:27.619 --> 02:16:31.340 are the times when you got to fucking stand up. 02:16:31.439 --> 02:16:33.459 Yeah, but we used to see that all the time at 02:16:33.459 --> 02:16:36.059 the store, like late night at the store in particular, 02:16:36.200 --> 02:16:38.840 where like, you know, because the way the store 02:16:38.840 --> 02:16:40.920 works, the show starts at 8 p .m. and it goes 02:16:40.920 --> 02:16:43.200 on until 2 a .m. And there's a lot of people 02:16:43.200 --> 02:16:46.159 that get there at 8 a .m. that are like, you 02:16:46.159 --> 02:16:49.899 know, tourists that are in town. And they sit 02:16:49.899 --> 02:16:52.020 there for the whole fucking show. They came to 02:16:52.020 --> 02:16:55.250 see the comedy store. Yeah. So by the time. 12, 02:16:55.370 --> 02:16:57.969 30 rolls around. Fuck, they've seen everything. 02:16:58.290 --> 02:17:01.069 And so you get this low period, and then someone 02:17:01.069 --> 02:17:03.469 will go up and just tear that fucking place apart 02:17:03.469 --> 02:17:07.170 for 50 people. I was so naive when I first started 02:17:07.170 --> 02:17:11.629 that we used to have open mics, right? And the 02:17:11.629 --> 02:17:14.329 open mic list would be like 25 people, right? 02:17:15.870 --> 02:17:18.010 They fucking, the guy that was running it, they 02:17:18.010 --> 02:17:20.209 hated me so much because I used to talk shit 02:17:20.209 --> 02:17:22.030 in the audience and everything. And they would 02:17:22.030 --> 02:17:24.809 keep bumping me down, right? And my dumb ass 02:17:24.809 --> 02:17:27.090 never got mad, right? I was like this, yeah, 02:17:27.229 --> 02:17:30.530 they want me to headline, right? 25 comedians. 02:17:31.170 --> 02:17:33.530 I took that, I was like, yeah, except I didn't 02:17:33.530 --> 02:17:35.790 think about audience fatigue or anything. Oh, 02:17:35.790 --> 02:17:39.149 boy. I just was like, yeah. And it would be, 02:17:39.250 --> 02:17:41.829 but I'm telling you, I think that was one of 02:17:41.829 --> 02:17:45.020 the things that made me strong. 100%. I was like, 02:17:45.079 --> 02:17:49.459 I'm going to do what the next person. There's 02:17:49.459 --> 02:17:54.940 one story. If you ask Dave Chappelle one of the 02:17:54.940 --> 02:17:57.959 dopest sets he's ever seen, I just happened to 02:17:57.959 --> 02:17:59.799 be a part of that. It was at the Hollywood Bowl 02:17:59.799 --> 02:18:02.319 years ago, about three years ago, right? Is that 02:18:02.319 --> 02:18:04.500 when he got attacked? No, that wasn't that. It 02:18:04.500 --> 02:18:06.579 was like the year before. You know Jeff Will's 02:18:06.579 --> 02:18:09.780 Live Nation, right? Sure. Shout out to Jeff. 02:18:09.959 --> 02:18:13.459 Shout out to Jeff. We're doing. a show you know 02:18:13.459 --> 02:18:16.840 hollywood bowls 18 000 people right so show starts 02:18:16.840 --> 02:18:19.200 at seven o 'clock right jeff comes up to me he 02:18:19.200 --> 02:18:20.719 was like donnie i got some good news and bad 02:18:20.719 --> 02:18:22.760 news he said what he said we're gonna start on 02:18:22.760 --> 02:18:25.620 time it's only but 700 people out there right 02:18:25.620 --> 02:18:27.719 now you imagine what several hundred people look 02:18:27.719 --> 02:18:31.700 like in front of a 18 000 place right he said 02:18:31.700 --> 02:18:33.840 there's only 700 people out there he said well 02:18:33.840 --> 02:18:36.840 i can let you start now or we can wait 10 minutes 02:18:36.840 --> 02:18:40.729 i was like jeff it's not like 17 ,000 people 02:18:40.729 --> 02:18:42.909 going to show up in 10 minutes. I said, give 02:18:42.909 --> 02:18:46.409 me the mic now. Big ass stage. I jump off the 02:18:46.409 --> 02:18:48.290 stage, right? Dave and all these people in the 02:18:48.290 --> 02:18:49.989 green room. I jump off the stage. I go into the 02:18:49.989 --> 02:18:52.930 audience. I'm literally going to each person 02:18:52.930 --> 02:18:56.770 in the theater. And I'll get you a picture. You 02:18:56.770 --> 02:18:58.950 can answer this. I'm going to each person. Why 02:18:58.950 --> 02:19:00.649 didn't they wait for the people to show up and 02:19:00.649 --> 02:19:03.379 sit down? That's what I wanted to say, but they 02:19:03.379 --> 02:19:05.899 were just like, the show has to continue. I don't 02:19:05.899 --> 02:19:08.379 allow that. I never allow that. I'll tell you 02:19:08.379 --> 02:19:09.479 another story. They've tried to do that before 02:19:09.479 --> 02:19:10.840 with me, and they say, we're going to have to 02:19:10.840 --> 02:19:12.719 pay more money if the show goes over. I go, then 02:19:12.719 --> 02:19:14.340 the show goes over and we pay more money. Get 02:19:14.340 --> 02:19:16.959 the fuck out of here. But for me, it was a moment 02:19:16.959 --> 02:19:20.020 because any other comedian, not any other, most 02:19:20.020 --> 02:19:21.379 people are like this, oh, there's nobody out 02:19:21.379 --> 02:19:23.899 there. So many excuses. I jumped off stage. I 02:19:23.899 --> 02:19:26.969 was like, no, I can't be up here. Look like I'm 02:19:26.969 --> 02:19:28.909 about to be auctioned off. I go in the audience. 02:19:29.190 --> 02:19:31.989 I'm going to each joint, right? And I'm fucking 02:19:31.989 --> 02:19:36.309 killing. It's 700 people in front of 18 ,000. 02:19:36.309 --> 02:19:37.930 That's a great way to start a show. But listen, 02:19:38.049 --> 02:19:40.209 and I'm like this. And here's the fucked up thing 02:19:40.209 --> 02:19:42.950 about this. Nobody's going to know about it because 02:19:42.950 --> 02:19:46.000 your fucking phones are locked up, right? Yo, 02:19:46.040 --> 02:19:50.540 it was a moment. Dave, Dave, everybody from the 02:19:50.540 --> 02:19:53.139 Green Room came out. Right. And Dave told me 02:19:53.139 --> 02:19:56.760 to this day, he said, if I was doing a class 02:19:56.760 --> 02:19:59.040 on stand up comedy, he said, I would use this 02:19:59.040 --> 02:20:02.420 as an example of like owning up to it. And it 02:20:02.420 --> 02:20:06.600 was so crazy, man. It was like and it was just 02:20:06.600 --> 02:20:10.299 it was great. I remember another time I was working 02:20:10.299 --> 02:20:13.629 with I think I was working with you. It was me, 02:20:13.690 --> 02:20:15.850 you, and Dave. And I think it was a time we was 02:20:15.850 --> 02:20:19.229 doing an outdoor theater. And it was supposed 02:20:19.229 --> 02:20:23.010 to be a break. It was supposed to be me. It was 02:20:23.010 --> 02:20:24.770 supposed to be, I think, you, Tony, or whatever, 02:20:24.889 --> 02:20:27.530 something. Then it was a break. And then it was 02:20:27.530 --> 02:20:31.350 going to be me and Dave. But it was still daytime, 02:20:31.629 --> 02:20:35.110 right? Where was this? I can't remember the place. 02:20:35.250 --> 02:20:38.010 It was still there. Jeff, he came up to me. I 02:20:38.010 --> 02:20:39.780 was like, I already know. I'm going to have to 02:20:39.780 --> 02:20:43.239 go in there. And I literally had to perform until 02:20:43.239 --> 02:20:47.239 it started getting dark. Oh, I remember this 02:20:47.239 --> 02:20:48.760 show. And I was saying to myself, I was like, 02:20:48.799 --> 02:20:51.600 ain't no way. I was like this, ain't no way they 02:20:51.600 --> 02:20:53.620 giving Rogan. And it wasn't a shitty audience. 02:20:53.680 --> 02:20:55.799 People just hadn't come yet. Right. I was like, 02:20:55.840 --> 02:20:58.200 I knew. I was going to even suggest. I was like, 02:20:58.280 --> 02:21:01.159 nah, we had these two halves, right? And there 02:21:01.159 --> 02:21:03.319 was another example of, okay, you got to do what 02:21:03.319 --> 02:21:05.319 you got to do. And I had to go up there. It wasn't 02:21:05.319 --> 02:21:07.600 the spot that I expected or whatever, but I was 02:21:07.600 --> 02:21:09.559 like this, you know, for the sake of the show. 02:21:09.620 --> 02:21:11.020 And I'm always like, what do we need to do to 02:21:11.020 --> 02:21:14.200 support this? And we had to bring it down. We 02:21:14.200 --> 02:21:16.479 had to buy some more time. And then by the time 02:21:16.479 --> 02:21:19.360 you got on stage. Everybody was seated. It was 02:21:19.360 --> 02:21:22.299 dark. It was dark. That was outside of San Francisco. 02:21:22.520 --> 02:21:26.260 I can't remember. That was California. That shit 02:21:26.260 --> 02:21:28.399 was fun. But I tell people all the time that 02:21:28.399 --> 02:21:30.600 I do slight mental. I was like, man, it's certain 02:21:30.600 --> 02:21:33.659 times where you got to do what the next person. 02:21:34.489 --> 02:21:36.989 It's not going to do. You can't bitch about shit. 02:21:37.110 --> 02:21:39.409 And at the end of the day, you got to be a fuck. 02:21:39.450 --> 02:21:41.489 I know when I used to do these shows with Dave, 02:21:41.569 --> 02:21:44.750 I used to fucking get the shittiest time. Like, 02:21:44.770 --> 02:21:48.149 we're at 30 % capacity. I'm like, man, half of 02:21:48.149 --> 02:21:49.569 these motherfuckers not even going to see me. 02:21:49.629 --> 02:21:51.770 But I looked at it like this. Well, the people 02:21:51.770 --> 02:21:53.069 that's going to see me, they're going to remember 02:21:53.069 --> 02:21:55.969 it, you know? And you just got to keep on going. 02:21:56.809 --> 02:21:59.750 That's a good attitude. Yep. Yeah, that's healthy. 02:22:00.129 --> 02:22:03.790 See, I feel like this. Very productive. This 02:22:03.790 --> 02:22:06.510 conversation is going to bode well with my mental 02:22:06.510 --> 02:22:09.190 health. Yeah, I think so, too. Everything except 02:22:09.190 --> 02:22:14.229 the lies you told about Jamie. You know what 02:22:14.229 --> 02:22:16.069 I'm going to do? I'm going to start taking fucking 02:22:16.069 --> 02:22:18.510 videos. I wish I would have had it. Yeah, I wish 02:22:18.510 --> 02:22:20.129 you did, too. And the thing about it was. You 02:22:20.129 --> 02:22:21.430 would see, like, oh, man, you didn't even have 02:22:21.430 --> 02:22:23.809 a leather jacket on. And he wasn't even talking 02:22:23.809 --> 02:22:25.790 to me. He was talking to me like, what is it? 02:22:26.469 --> 02:22:29.149 I walked up to you and you didn't even know who 02:22:29.149 --> 02:22:33.090 I was at first. Guess why? Why didn't I know? 02:22:33.290 --> 02:22:37.350 I never knew. I was like, who is this fake -ass, 02:22:37.409 --> 02:22:40.149 Jamie -ass motherfucker? It was almost like, 02:22:40.209 --> 02:22:43.610 remember when Family Battles, Urkel, and then 02:22:43.610 --> 02:22:48.649 Stefan? It was two characters. They had the geeky 02:22:48.649 --> 02:22:51.950 Urkel, and then his alter ego, whatever, he was 02:22:51.950 --> 02:22:54.309 just this cool ass. He was the same person. Whatever 02:22:54.309 --> 02:22:57.469 happened to that dude? Urkel? Yeah. Oh, he's 02:22:57.469 --> 02:23:00.430 been around. What's that? Is he? He was, and 02:23:00.430 --> 02:23:02.489 his weed is really good. He's got a weed? Urkel 02:23:02.489 --> 02:23:05.870 Purple? It's the best. He got this joint he wrote, 02:23:05.950 --> 02:23:07.729 and it's like some type of Italian noodle, the 02:23:07.729 --> 02:23:10.889 spiral noodle. He used that as a filter. But 02:23:10.889 --> 02:23:13.489 also, I spent a lot of time with him because 02:23:13.489 --> 02:23:15.030 he would come out to the cornfields or whatever, 02:23:15.090 --> 02:23:17.110 so I've been seeing him. He's got a talk show. 02:23:17.709 --> 02:23:20.069 Didn't he get jacked? Isn't he like, is that 02:23:20.069 --> 02:23:23.290 him? Julio White? Yeah. I heard Urkel got in 02:23:23.290 --> 02:23:25.659 great shape. Yeah, but he's a good guy, man. 02:23:25.840 --> 02:23:27.799 But he's another one of those celebrities that 02:23:27.799 --> 02:23:29.700 I know that want to do comedy but don't have 02:23:29.700 --> 02:23:32.639 the heart to do it. Always. He said, no, no, 02:23:32.659 --> 02:23:35.700 no, don't do that. But he's a great guy. It's 02:23:35.700 --> 02:23:37.700 hard to start out already famous. That's one 02:23:37.700 --> 02:23:39.299 of the things that I really respected about Charlie. 02:23:39.799 --> 02:23:42.280 Charlie was already famous when he was starting 02:23:42.280 --> 02:23:45.020 comedy. Do you know who started Charlie? Who? 02:23:45.100 --> 02:23:48.059 Me. Did you? And this is how it happened. When 02:23:48.059 --> 02:23:50.629 we were doing the Chappelle show. And it's safe 02:23:50.629 --> 02:23:52.790 to say, like, nobody was really making money. 02:23:52.850 --> 02:23:55.149 You know in a contract, in your contract, if 02:23:55.149 --> 02:23:56.969 your show just blows up, you got to stick to 02:23:56.969 --> 02:23:58.469 whatever you was getting for the contract. Right. 02:23:58.610 --> 02:24:00.549 So we weren't making a lot of money doing the 02:24:00.549 --> 02:24:02.809 show. But I was like, we're too popular right 02:24:02.809 --> 02:24:04.489 now. And at that time, it was me and Charlie. 02:24:04.629 --> 02:24:07.030 It was Dave, me, and Charlie, like the biggest 02:24:07.030 --> 02:24:10.090 names on the show. So this was Mike Berkowitz, 02:24:10.270 --> 02:24:13.350 who's head of William & Morris right now, right? 02:24:13.629 --> 02:24:15.709 He was a young agent at the time, right? He was 02:24:15.709 --> 02:24:18.370 coming up. And I was like, I told Jason, my manager 02:24:18.370 --> 02:24:20.729 at the time, Jason Steinberg. I said, man, we 02:24:20.729 --> 02:24:22.270 got to do a tour or something. I was like, yo, 02:24:22.409 --> 02:24:24.129 everybody's talking about I'm Rich Bitch. I was 02:24:24.129 --> 02:24:26.850 like, let's do I'm Rich Bitch tour, right? He 02:24:26.850 --> 02:24:29.100 was like, it's a good idea. I said, me and Charlie 02:24:29.100 --> 02:24:32.120 can do it. At the time, that was only a two -man 02:24:32.120 --> 02:24:34.959 show. Charlie didn't have no time or anything. 02:24:35.360 --> 02:24:37.360 And I was like, you know what? I want to do it. 02:24:37.379 --> 02:24:39.579 Because it was my idea. I said, I want to do 02:24:39.579 --> 02:24:41.760 me, Charlie. I said, we need another comedian. 02:24:41.899 --> 02:24:44.600 At the time, Bill Burr was not making a lot of 02:24:44.600 --> 02:24:46.659 money doing stand -up. And I'm not disrespecting 02:24:46.659 --> 02:24:48.540 him, but everybody knew he was going to blow. 02:24:48.860 --> 02:24:51.559 But that was early on in the career. Bill had 02:24:51.559 --> 02:24:53.520 to do was have a situation like he had in Philly. 02:24:53.860 --> 02:24:56.059 Everybody knew he was going to blow. So I said, 02:24:56.120 --> 02:24:59.100 why don't we do a tour? Me, Charlie, and Bill 02:24:59.100 --> 02:25:01.559 Bird. That shit would be hot. Charlie had never 02:25:01.559 --> 02:25:03.459 did stand -up. And I used to, he used to always 02:25:03.459 --> 02:25:05.139 crack jokes and shit. I was like, yeah, you talk 02:25:05.139 --> 02:25:07.459 a lot of shit. But once that microphone, your 02:25:07.459 --> 02:25:10.319 ass, you a bitch -ass motherfucker. So Charlie 02:25:10.319 --> 02:25:12.139 was a guy like, don't threaten him with anything, 02:25:12.280 --> 02:25:15.379 right? So this is when they had the Laugh Factory 02:25:15.379 --> 02:25:17.700 in New York, in Times Square, right? One of my 02:25:17.700 --> 02:25:19.260 friends was doing a show there. I was like, Charlie, 02:25:19.340 --> 02:25:21.290 yo, we're going to do this. tour, you got to 02:25:21.290 --> 02:25:23.870 at least have 10 minutes. He could have, at that 02:25:23.870 --> 02:25:26.530 time, Charlie was so hot, people would have just 02:25:26.530 --> 02:25:29.270 yelled out, Charlie Murphy! For five minutes. 02:25:29.309 --> 02:25:31.629 He was the emcee. We just needed his face to 02:25:31.629 --> 02:25:34.909 be there. And this was, it would be Charlie, 02:25:34.930 --> 02:25:39.569 Charlie, Bill Burr, and myself. And Charlie had 02:25:39.569 --> 02:25:42.450 no jokes, right? And like you said, I was like, 02:25:42.510 --> 02:25:44.270 maybe, I don't know if you guys understand how 02:25:44.270 --> 02:25:47.510 it is to be selling out as an open miker. Crazy. 02:25:48.239 --> 02:25:50.340 And he had to get his voice. And I was like, 02:25:50.360 --> 02:25:52.620 why did he never do this? Part of it was because 02:25:52.620 --> 02:25:54.879 he probably never wanted to be compared to his 02:25:54.879 --> 02:25:57.159 brother. He never wanted to be able to like, 02:25:57.239 --> 02:26:00.420 that's his brother. And he had his own style 02:26:00.420 --> 02:26:03.139 or whatever. So we did this fucking tour for 02:26:03.139 --> 02:26:07.239 like a year. And then I saw him start to grow. 02:26:07.319 --> 02:26:11.299 Sometimes he took some hits, but he became Charlie 02:26:11.299 --> 02:26:14.729 Murphy. He became like, I'm not my brother. I'm 02:26:14.729 --> 02:26:17.909 a storyteller. He stuck to that shit. And one 02:26:17.909 --> 02:26:20.270 of the things that I would say that I really 02:26:20.270 --> 02:26:23.530 appreciate about what the Chappelle show gave 02:26:23.530 --> 02:26:25.790 to Charlie Murphy, when Charlie Murphy passed 02:26:25.790 --> 02:26:29.110 away, Joe, nobody said Eddie Murphy's brother 02:26:29.110 --> 02:26:32.870 died. They said Charlie Murphy passed away. So 02:26:32.870 --> 02:26:35.030 that show didn't do it. And when I tell you one 02:26:35.030 --> 02:26:38.909 of the most stand -up, original guys, all of 02:26:38.909 --> 02:26:41.280 those stories, like, was it true? It was, he 02:26:41.280 --> 02:26:45.020 told, that was just part of the story. Me, Dave, 02:26:45.219 --> 02:26:48.260 me, Charlie, and Bill built a relationship. We 02:26:48.260 --> 02:26:53.360 did something that was spectacular. But Bill 02:26:53.360 --> 02:26:56.059 Burr used to fuck with us. And I'm going to tell 02:26:56.059 --> 02:26:58.239 you one of the things he would do. We would be 02:26:58.239 --> 02:27:00.299 on the road, and all we used to do was argue 02:27:00.299 --> 02:27:02.020 and fight and just fuck with each other one time. 02:27:02.120 --> 02:27:04.280 And Bill Burr, he did some fucking, I don't want 02:27:04.280 --> 02:27:06.319 to call this racist or whatever, but whatever. 02:27:06.989 --> 02:27:11.329 It was very Bostonian. Okay. But when he did, 02:27:11.350 --> 02:27:13.889 I didn't know two years later, Bill Burr, when 02:27:13.889 --> 02:27:17.409 we meet up, he would buy a fucking like 12 piece 02:27:17.409 --> 02:27:21.200 of Popeye's chicken, right? And he knew me and 02:27:21.200 --> 02:27:23.340 Charlie would devour that chicken and we would 02:27:23.340 --> 02:27:26.340 be in a sleep coma right the next 15 minutes. 02:27:26.520 --> 02:27:28.500 And it was almost like he gave us sleeping pills 02:27:28.500 --> 02:27:30.360 and shit. He would get us a chicken, we'd be 02:27:30.360 --> 02:27:32.260 knocked out, and then he'd just go and just laugh 02:27:32.260 --> 02:27:35.120 at us and shit. But that time, that was such 02:27:35.120 --> 02:27:38.459 a great time because you saw people's careers 02:27:38.459 --> 02:27:41.760 being born. Like Bill was already on a trajectory. 02:27:42.649 --> 02:27:44.329 to be great. You know what I'm saying? But at 02:27:44.329 --> 02:27:46.510 that time, and this is when I say, the stories 02:27:46.510 --> 02:27:49.069 that you remember, I'm pretty sure Bill still 02:27:49.069 --> 02:27:52.690 remembers. This was the first time that he was 02:27:52.690 --> 02:27:56.430 making regular good money every week. You know 02:27:56.430 --> 02:27:59.129 how it is for being a fucking headliner that's 02:27:59.129 --> 02:28:03.809 doing $800. Or they give you a deal, $2 ,000. 02:28:04.329 --> 02:28:07.670 And then you get a $500 bonus when you sell or 02:28:07.670 --> 02:28:09.549 give away 300 tickets. And you're not working 02:28:09.549 --> 02:28:11.569 every weekend. And you're not working every weekend. 02:28:11.629 --> 02:28:13.670 And then you got club bonus. Like, your bonus 02:28:13.670 --> 02:28:15.770 is supposed to be at 300. And they'd be like, 02:28:15.850 --> 02:28:18.610 couldn't give you that bonus. You was at 298. 02:28:18.829 --> 02:28:20.989 You know, I'd be like, motherfucker, I could 02:28:20.989 --> 02:28:22.489 have bought those. And they lied, too. They lied 02:28:22.489 --> 02:28:24.469 to it. They lie about how many tickets you sold. 02:28:24.790 --> 02:28:26.690 They lied to it. And then they wonder why when 02:28:26.690 --> 02:28:28.889 guys become big and everything, they don't want 02:28:28.889 --> 02:28:30.670 to come back. Because I remember that. Oh, I 02:28:30.670 --> 02:28:32.510 remember that. There's a couple club owners that 02:28:32.510 --> 02:28:34.790 they can go eat shit. And I tell people all the 02:28:34.790 --> 02:28:36.690 time, when everybody talk about this, I was like, 02:28:36.770 --> 02:28:40.870 yo, try this. Try doing a fucking tour for a 02:28:40.870 --> 02:28:44.350 year and a half, and every night you had to come 02:28:44.350 --> 02:28:49.270 behind Bill Burr. I had no days off. And I knew 02:28:49.270 --> 02:28:52.530 when I had a day off, I wasn't hitting on all 02:28:52.530 --> 02:28:54.690 cylinders, because that's when they used to have 02:28:54.690 --> 02:28:59.079 comment cards, right? The comic was like, I don't 02:28:59.079 --> 02:29:02.879 know why the white boy didn't go last. But that 02:29:02.879 --> 02:29:07.860 always kept me in shape. You know what I'm saying? 02:29:07.979 --> 02:29:09.559 It's like this. You don't got no time to play 02:29:09.559 --> 02:29:12.840 around. Because Bill was one of those comics. 02:29:13.440 --> 02:29:17.180 Bill would come. Bill did the mainstream shit. 02:29:17.319 --> 02:29:19.100 And he was one of the only white dudes who would 02:29:19.100 --> 02:29:22.979 do the fucking most grimiest spots ever. And 02:29:22.979 --> 02:29:25.260 I'm pretty sure he's always going to be a great 02:29:25.260 --> 02:29:27.540 comic. But I think that that helped build his 02:29:27.540 --> 02:29:30.780 character. I think that was probably what made 02:29:30.780 --> 02:29:32.440 him be in a position where he'd go to Philly 02:29:32.440 --> 02:29:35.639 like, yo, fuck y 'all. I just did Donnell's fucking 02:29:35.639 --> 02:29:38.319 hood club in Brooklyn. If I can handle that, 02:29:38.360 --> 02:29:39.920 I can handle that. Well, that rant in Philly 02:29:39.920 --> 02:29:41.420 was because he was doing the Opie and Anthony 02:29:41.420 --> 02:29:44.399 tour. So when Opie and Anthony, their crowd were 02:29:44.399 --> 02:29:47.680 brutal. Their crowds were fucking brutal. They 02:29:47.680 --> 02:29:49.579 was Kill Tonys before Kill Tonys. Way worse. 02:29:49.819 --> 02:29:55.180 Way worse. had sort of fed into that crowd. They 02:29:55.180 --> 02:29:58.319 fostered that crowd. They called them the pests. 02:29:58.639 --> 02:30:00.739 But then, even going back to what I was saying, 02:30:00.899 --> 02:30:04.079 in this career, sometimes you have situations 02:30:04.079 --> 02:30:06.639 that have a defining moment. And that was one 02:30:06.639 --> 02:30:08.479 of those things. I'm pretty sure everybody went 02:30:08.479 --> 02:30:10.340 on before Bill was throwing a towel and he was 02:30:10.340 --> 02:30:14.299 like, fuck that. What happened was, Dom Herrera 02:30:14.299 --> 02:30:16.760 went on. And you know, Dom Herrera's a legend. 02:30:16.959 --> 02:30:19.280 How's he doing, man? He's hurting. Yeah, he's 02:30:19.280 --> 02:30:22.600 got, he's hurting. He's got whatever that neurological 02:30:22.600 --> 02:30:25.120 condition is. It's not good. I mean, I don't 02:30:25.120 --> 02:30:28.219 want to speak out of turn about his health, but 02:30:28.219 --> 02:30:34.159 it's not good. But Dom, they booed Dom. They 02:30:34.159 --> 02:30:37.079 were just rough. They wanted you to fail. And 02:30:37.079 --> 02:30:40.479 Bill went up and go, fuck you. And he just went 02:30:40.479 --> 02:30:42.319 into this crazy rant. You know who else had a 02:30:42.319 --> 02:30:45.540 moment like that? Who? Bernie Mac. Did he? Oh, 02:30:45.600 --> 02:30:47.840 on Def Jam. I ain't afraid of you motherfuckers. 02:30:47.920 --> 02:30:52.790 You know how that was born? Why? first off Martin 02:30:52.790 --> 02:30:55.489 Lawrence was the host and that night everybody 02:30:55.489 --> 02:30:58.649 was taking licks right and there was another 02:30:58.649 --> 02:31:00.850 it was a comment from DC named Butch Burns right 02:31:00.850 --> 02:31:03.770 he was very popular in DC Butch Burns went on 02:31:03.770 --> 02:31:06.469 stage and bombed so bad motherfuckers throwing 02:31:06.469 --> 02:31:10.459 shit there was nothing that Martin could do. 02:31:10.520 --> 02:31:12.440 You know how sometimes you try and you're like, 02:31:12.500 --> 02:31:15.020 just whoop, you're on your own. It's like whoop 02:31:15.020 --> 02:31:19.239 -de -doo. So Butch Burns had bombed. The room 02:31:19.239 --> 02:31:21.700 was going crazy. Martin could do anything. Next 02:31:21.700 --> 02:31:24.920 on deck was fucking Bernie Mac. Bernie Mac saw 02:31:24.920 --> 02:31:27.420 Butch Burns on the way out, and he told him, 02:31:27.440 --> 02:31:29.120 he was like, listen, man, hold your head up, 02:31:29.180 --> 02:31:31.739 man. He said, the sun might not shine on your 02:31:31.739 --> 02:31:34.239 day, but you'll have another opportunity to shine. 02:31:34.559 --> 02:31:37.700 And the reason, he didn't plan on, I ain't scared 02:31:37.700 --> 02:31:40.860 of you motherfuckers. And then... Bernie had 02:31:40.860 --> 02:31:42.319 a situation to go through because Bernie was 02:31:42.319 --> 02:31:44.979 on Def Jam before. He dressed in a suit and everything. 02:31:45.159 --> 02:31:48.159 He was looking like a Chicago player, but he 02:31:48.159 --> 02:31:50.219 didn't think that he connected with a young audience 02:31:50.219 --> 02:31:52.299 like that. So you even watch the way he was dressed 02:31:52.299 --> 02:31:54.520 from the previous show to the next one. The next 02:31:54.520 --> 02:31:56.760 one, he had more of a hip outfit, had graffiti 02:31:56.760 --> 02:31:59.739 on the jeans. He was dressed up for that part 02:31:59.739 --> 02:32:02.219 of it. No idea. I ain't scared of you motherfuckers. 02:32:02.319 --> 02:32:05.440 He did have the energy that he was going to do, 02:32:05.500 --> 02:32:06.760 the connection he was going to have with the 02:32:06.760 --> 02:32:09.799 DJ, right? But what made it so explosive, is 02:32:09.799 --> 02:32:13.379 that he said, fuck y 'all. He said he did his 02:32:13.379 --> 02:32:16.059 joke and didn't, that's why you hear like, why 02:32:16.059 --> 02:32:17.760 was he saying I ain't scared of you motherfuckers? 02:32:17.799 --> 02:32:20.340 It was because of the other shit. He said, I 02:32:20.340 --> 02:32:23.409 ain't scared of you motherfuckers. Kick it! Boom, 02:32:23.450 --> 02:32:26.190 boom, boom. But he say, what he say, and it was 02:32:26.190 --> 02:32:29.709 such the most simple stock jokes. Bernie was 02:32:29.709 --> 02:32:33.270 so powerful. So powerful. So powerful. The rhythm 02:32:33.270 --> 02:32:36.510 that he had and the fact that you knew that something 02:32:36.510 --> 02:32:38.889 was special would happen, that's why that fucking 02:32:38.889 --> 02:32:43.010 audience looked, was so fucking charged up because 02:32:43.010 --> 02:32:45.690 he said, fuck y 'all. I saw Bernie live once 02:32:45.690 --> 02:32:47.850 at the Comedy Connection at Faneuil Hall in Boston. 02:32:49.090 --> 02:32:52.170 I remember that club. He was on fire. He was 02:32:52.170 --> 02:32:56.069 so powerful. First time I saw him at Comedy Connection 02:32:56.069 --> 02:32:58.170 at Greenbelt, I used to do this club, and it 02:32:58.170 --> 02:32:59.430 was a couple of people that would come through, 02:32:59.469 --> 02:33:00.850 and I was like, these motherfuckers are the next 02:33:00.850 --> 02:33:03.290 level. It was him. Another person that was like 02:33:03.290 --> 02:33:05.829 that was George Wallace. Oh, yeah. You know another 02:33:05.829 --> 02:33:08.170 person that was like that? Rich Voss. Oh, yeah. 02:33:08.270 --> 02:33:11.049 Yo, George Wallace. First off, I knew George 02:33:11.049 --> 02:33:13.069 Wallace was the next level. I've never seen anybody 02:33:13.069 --> 02:33:15.190 go to the comedy club, and the deal he had was 02:33:15.190 --> 02:33:19.459 100 % of the door. Everything. You just get your 02:33:19.459 --> 02:33:21.520 drinks, your chicken wings, 100 % door. They 02:33:21.520 --> 02:33:24.719 had to give it to him. Wow. And George Wallace, 02:33:24.979 --> 02:33:27.139 he was old. George Wallace always been an older 02:33:27.139 --> 02:33:29.739 dude, right? Somebody said, you know his thing 02:33:29.739 --> 02:33:32.239 is your mama jokes, right? Somebody had did a 02:33:32.239 --> 02:33:35.040 mama joke and motherfucking George Wallace ripped 02:33:35.040 --> 02:33:37.819 off about 30 mama jokes. I felt so bad for him. 02:33:38.360 --> 02:33:41.899 And then Rich Voss fucking, Rich Voss fucked 02:33:41.899 --> 02:33:44.920 me up because I'd never seen a white comedian 02:33:44.920 --> 02:33:47.450 perform at his club. It was a black club. Rich 02:33:47.450 --> 02:33:49.190 Voss came in here. He had a ponytail similar 02:33:49.190 --> 02:33:52.670 to Jamie's, right? He had jerry curls. No, Rich 02:33:52.670 --> 02:33:55.010 Voss had a ponytail. The same one that Jamie 02:33:55.010 --> 02:33:58.809 was wearing, right? It was Rich Voss's, right? 02:33:59.350 --> 02:34:02.610 And I saw Rich Voss go up there and destroy this 02:34:02.610 --> 02:34:04.450 crowd. I was like, this white dude don't know 02:34:04.450 --> 02:34:07.149 what's going on. And he fucking killed that shit. 02:34:08.270 --> 02:34:11.030 You know, we talk about joke stealing, right? 02:34:11.770 --> 02:34:15.229 I've never, I stole one joke. in my life, and 02:34:15.229 --> 02:34:17.590 I apologize to Ridge Falls. I was doing a show, 02:34:17.750 --> 02:34:22.569 and none of my jokes worked. I tried, yo, I tried 02:34:22.569 --> 02:34:25.829 everything. I tried everything, and I said to 02:34:25.829 --> 02:34:29.149 myself, what joke have you heard? I didn't mean 02:34:29.149 --> 02:34:32.750 to steal, right? I borrowed it, okay? I said, 02:34:32.770 --> 02:34:36.059 what one joke you know that fucking will... Kill 02:34:36.059 --> 02:34:38.360 this audience. And Rich Voss used to have this 02:34:38.360 --> 02:34:40.899 joke. He said, you know what they say, once you 02:34:40.899 --> 02:34:42.899 go black, you never go back. He said, yeah, because 02:34:42.899 --> 02:34:44.520 your father won't let you back in the house, 02:34:44.639 --> 02:34:48.420 right? I stole that joke. I got him laughing. 02:34:48.420 --> 02:34:50.579 I got him back on track. And then I had to call 02:34:50.579 --> 02:34:55.040 Voss. I said, man, I'm so sorry, bro. I said, 02:34:55.100 --> 02:34:57.000 it's going to get back to you, but I stole the 02:34:57.000 --> 02:34:59.600 joke. And he was like, no problem with it. Well, 02:34:59.639 --> 02:35:02.340 at least you admitted it. Yeah, I did. All right. 02:35:02.360 --> 02:35:05.000 I think we accomplished a lot. This was therapy 02:35:05.000 --> 02:35:06.979 for me. I think it was good for you. Stay out 02:35:06.979 --> 02:35:08.799 of the comments. I'm going to stay out of the 02:35:08.799 --> 02:35:11.120 comments. Remember that podcast we did with Reza? 02:35:12.000 --> 02:35:15.120 No, don't do that. They still talk shit to me. 02:35:15.799 --> 02:35:18.100 I grabbed you at the end of the podcast and said, 02:35:18.219 --> 02:35:20.659 that was great. Don't read the comments. Exactly. 02:35:20.979 --> 02:35:22.940 That was a long time ago. I've been giving you 02:35:22.940 --> 02:35:24.959 that advice for a long time. You did tell me 02:35:24.959 --> 02:35:27.540 don't. But the part of that story people don't 02:35:27.540 --> 02:35:31.049 know is that. I did my podcast early. I hadn't 02:35:31.049 --> 02:35:32.709 seen my son in like two and a half weeks. I was 02:35:32.709 --> 02:35:36.090 on the road. And I came straight there, straight 02:35:36.090 --> 02:35:40.809 to the podcast to do it, right? And then I was 02:35:40.809 --> 02:35:42.510 like, you was like, yo, you want to hang out? 02:35:42.690 --> 02:35:44.350 This is what people don't know. This is the side 02:35:44.350 --> 02:35:47.389 you don't tell them. You invited me. You invited 02:35:47.389 --> 02:35:49.450 me. I did invite you. You did invite me. I thought 02:35:49.450 --> 02:35:51.229 it would be fun. You said the RZA is going to 02:35:51.229 --> 02:35:52.889 come, right? Well, we were having a good time. 02:35:52.989 --> 02:35:55.170 We did a podcast together. We were hanging out. 02:35:55.290 --> 02:35:57.790 And I said, are you going anywhere? I'm doing 02:35:57.790 --> 02:35:59.530 a podcast with RZA next. You want to hop on? 02:35:59.809 --> 02:36:01.649 I thought it would be fun. I thought it would 02:36:01.649 --> 02:36:04.709 be fun. It was. It was fun. I would like to tell 02:36:04.709 --> 02:36:07.430 my side of the story. We already did. We've talked 02:36:07.430 --> 02:36:09.909 this. We've done this many times. I think like 02:36:09.909 --> 02:36:12.010 every other podcast we do, you tell your side 02:36:12.010 --> 02:36:13.770 of the story. I'm never going to say this again, 02:36:13.809 --> 02:36:17.100 Joe. I was going to leave. And I was like, man, 02:36:17.340 --> 02:36:19.360 fuck Wu -Tang, man. I'm going to see my son. 02:36:19.879 --> 02:36:22.260 Right? And I'm leaving out. And as soon as I 02:36:22.260 --> 02:36:25.459 get ready to get in my car, the RZA comes out. 02:36:25.559 --> 02:36:28.459 And this motherfucker said, what's up, Ashy Larry? 02:36:28.799 --> 02:36:30.719 And I said, fuck my son. I'm fucking with the 02:36:30.719 --> 02:36:34.100 Wu -Tang, right? And I didn't. But it was a good 02:36:34.100 --> 02:36:36.799 time. It was fun. But what people don't understand 02:36:36.799 --> 02:36:40.120 is before we did that. RZA said, yo, yo, bong, 02:36:40.139 --> 02:36:42.219 bong, bong. I got this idea, right? I said, what? 02:36:42.280 --> 02:36:43.540 He said, I'm going to do these jokes. They're 02:36:43.540 --> 02:36:45.540 going to be. He was trying to pitch jokes. He 02:36:45.540 --> 02:36:47.659 was on jokes. And I was like, please don't do 02:36:47.659 --> 02:36:52.000 that. I was like, please don't do that. And we 02:36:52.000 --> 02:36:54.379 sat down. And of course, it went. I had a good 02:36:54.379 --> 02:36:56.860 time. But people's like, you just ruined it. 02:36:56.959 --> 02:36:59.680 You ruined it. For RZA, you just ruined it. But 02:36:59.680 --> 02:37:01.260 shout out to RZA. It was fun. It was a good time. 02:37:01.280 --> 02:37:03.579 It was fun. And thanks for whenever I call you, 02:37:03.620 --> 02:37:07.530 let me. I can't even tell people anything other 02:37:07.530 --> 02:37:10.229 than, yes, I'm on tour. Go to donairrollins .com, 02:37:10.250 --> 02:37:13.190 get tour dates. All right. And here's my shit. 02:37:13.790 --> 02:37:16.530 A joke could be too soon, but it never could 02:37:16.530 --> 02:37:19.510 be too soon for a funny observation. And that's 02:37:19.510 --> 02:37:20.930 what you're going to get when you come to my 02:37:20.930 --> 02:37:23.110 show. All right. Thank you, sir. Appreciate you, 02:37:23.149 --> 02:37:24.790 brother. I'm taking this gum with me. Jamie, 02:37:24.909 --> 02:37:27.569 stay sexy, son. Stay sexy. Bye, everybody.