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"Welcome to this curated educational transcript of the Joe Rogan Experience. In this session, we provide a deep-dive examination of the critical perspectives and historical dialogues presented in Episode #2431 / MMA Show. Our mission is to offer a high-fidelity, searchable research resource for students of cultural history, emerging technology, and global discourse. This transcript has been specifically optimized for academic reference, linguistic study, and archival preservation regarding Combat Sports Evolution, Mixed Martial Arts Professional Dynamics, and Independent Media Performance."
Joe Rogan Podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan

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Experience. Train by day. Joe Rogan Podcast by

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night. All day. All right. What's happening,

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brother? Thanks for having us. My pleasure. So,

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Jamie, what were you just saying? I stopped you

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because it sounds so crazy. Trump said there's

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going to be eight to nine title fights at the

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White House UFC event and that they're, I guess,

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in quotes, withholding. Okay, first of all, there's

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only eight weight classes. So how's there going

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to be nine title fights? Maybe a BMF fight. Maybe

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you add a BMF. Maybe you have all of them in

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the BMF. I guess, but that's kind of a crazy

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thing. We're going to have 20 title fights. All

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the title fights it's ever been. Did he say any

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matchups? No, he didn't say who. He just said

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they're going to – I'll see if there's even a

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tweet about it. I just saw him talking about

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it. It was like a, I don't know, press conference

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or something. Well, if they don't do Jon Jones

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at the White House, I think it would be a travesty.

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For sure. They have to. They need to do that.

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They have to. Come on. Dana's like, you can't

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count on him. You can't fucking count on him.

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Come on. Stop. When he wants to, he's going to

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make it happen. At the White House? Come on.

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Jon Jones versus, let's see, what does it say

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here? Donald Trump predicts eight or nine championship

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fights. Okay. It would literally have to be every

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weight class fighting for the title, which would

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be nuts. Everyone's a championship fight. Everyone's

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a legendary type of fighter. He's actually holding

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back fights right now for six months so he can

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do it in the 15th of June. Trump seemingly meaning

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14th of June. Yeah. Arena's going to be 5 ,000

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or 6 ,000 seats right in the front door of the

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White House. 100 ,000 people in the back where

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they're putting up eight or ten very big screens.

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What kind of fucking security are they going

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to have for this? It's got to be insane. Yeah.

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Are you trying to get on this? I mean, not really.

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Not really? I can't imagine, like you said, the

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security, the behind the scenes, how much stuff's

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really going to happen. I'm just like... A lot

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of weird pressure, too. Probably. Because it's

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like all the security and the protocols, all

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that extra shit in your mind before you have

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to go out there and fight. Yeah, it just seems

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like a lot, like a lot more than what it needs

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to be. I'm sure it's going to be cool to watch,

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you know, kind of like what was the... The Sphere?

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Yeah, kind of cool to watch like that, but...

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Also, you're fighting outside. Yes. What are

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they going to do, put a roof over it? What happens

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if it burns? What if it's hot and muggy? That's

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going to affect people. I've watched them do

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outside fights in Louisiana. Oh, man. Oh, God.

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Louisiana, you can cut that air. You've got to

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see everyone slipping and sliding. It's so humid.

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Oh, that's terrible. Did you ever see that King

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of the Cage fight that they did where it was

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raining? I've seen the highlight of it, but I

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never watched the whole thing. Yeah, it was called

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King of the Cage Wet and Wild, and it rained

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out. This was in the day when we used to have

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to put on fights at Indian casinos. I'm pretty

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sure Eddie Bravo was doing the commentary back

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then. And it rained out. And so they were like,

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what do you guys want to do? And everybody was

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like, well, we want to get paid, so I guess we

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have to fight. So they fought in the fucking

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rain. I mean, it was crazy. How do you do that?

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I don't remember what the canvas was made out

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of. It might have been slick. It might have been

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like a vinyl canvas. It might not have been like

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a canvas like the UFC's canvas, which is actual

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canvas. It might have been like a jujitsu mat

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type situation. That's what it was in Louisiana

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with the humidity. I can't imagine the rain.

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The rain's got to be crazy. It was pouring. It

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was pouring down on people. See if you can find

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some highlights of King of the Cage wet and wild.

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It's got to be worse than blood on the canvas.

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Or blood on the vinyl. Right. It has to be. It

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has to be the worst. It just doesn't stop. How

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bad are those fucking logos? Do the logos get

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problematic when they get wet? On the canvas?

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Yeah, in the middle of the octagon. Here it is.

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Yeah, look at that. Look at that. That is like,

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that looks, it's hard to tell what it actually

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is, but it looks like vinyl. Got rubber shoes

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on, maybe. Yeah, these guys are fighting with

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shoes on, which helps a little. You see, this

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was back when there was like zero rules. Your

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man's in a poncho. Little poncho. That's hilarious.

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Look at these. Oh, these guys are barefoot. Look

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at these guys sliding around. This is so crazy.

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They throw punches and slip it. This is like

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a total like. like, winos in a parking lot of

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a liquor store. Imagine everyone didn't know

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it was raining. Like, man, you got rocked like

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30 times. No, bro, I didn't get rocked. It was

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wet. Right. How do you judge? Like, what shots

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do damage? This is, like, so silly. Oh, look,

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they got a guy come out here with a thing to

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slide the water off the side. Yeah, that's not

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helping. This is so crazy. They're doing this.

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Look at the fighters are helping. The fighters

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are moving towels around. That is so ridiculous.

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You get an extra 30 seconds break if you wipe

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off the canvas. Yeah, right? That's funny. That's

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funny. Yeah. So who knows what's going to happen?

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I guess they'll probably have to have some sort

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of a roof over it. But what if it's like 98 degrees

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outside? It's going to be crazy. It's June in

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Baltimore or in Maryland, rather, and, you know,

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D .C. Yeah. Whatever that is. It's like D .C.

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It's not even a state. D .C. gets hot. It gets

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hot in the summer. It's going to be crazy. I

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always wonder like how much behind the scenes

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work goes into like for the sphere, for example,

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because obviously they have everything else down

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to a science. Maybe redo that. That's going to

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be crazy. Abu Dhabi. That's right. We did a live

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one outdoor in Abu Dhabi. I remember that. That

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was when BJ fought Frankie Edgar. Wow. Yeah.

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And Anderson. Damian Maia. Damian Maia, that's

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right. That's right. Oh, that's right. That was

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like Damian Anderson and Damian had real beef,

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and so Anderson was like yelling at him in the

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first round, trying to kill him in the first

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round, and then he kind of ran out of gas. And

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so he just kind of coasted for the remainder

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of the fight, and Dana was really pissed because

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he just coasted and won a decision. I think Enrique

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just put that back out there. I guess, but that

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wasn't good, dude. By the way, in Abu Dhabi,

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they had these bugs that were flying around the

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size of small birds. It was crazy. I was like,

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this is... Because, you know, you're in the desert.

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Yeah. It's very weird. Very weird having an outdoor

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fight in the desert. It's like mosquitoes in

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Louisiana, man. They come out of them swamp water,

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and I don't know what they're doing, but they're

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huge. Well, back in the day, they used to have

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fights like that in Vegas. They used to have

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boxing matches outside. Caesar's Palace used

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to have them outside. See if you can find some

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of those. I know... I want to think they had

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some good fights outside, like some world championship

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fights that were outside Caesars Palace. I think

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it would be cool to say you did, but I don't

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think I want to do it at this level. If something

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does go wrong. You're too close. You're too close.

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Brandon Allen, you're knocking at the door, dude.

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You're right there. You're right there. It's

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crazy. I just saw Chamayev made a post today

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saying that he's only going to do one more at

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85, and then he's going up. What? Yeah, my wife

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sent it to me. He's going to go to 205? That's

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what he said. That's crazy. She translated it

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for me. It was in Portuguese. Oh, wow. Look at

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this. That's Caesar's spouse. Dang. Yeah, that's

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crazy. I never knew that. Never. Yeah. Wow. They

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had big fights there, too. Look at how big that

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is. Oh, my God. That's so crazy. But again, Vegas,

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outside, must be so hot. Has to be. That dry

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heat is something. That's crazy. Imagine being

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all the way in the back of that thing. You ain't

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seeing nothing. They don't got no screen up for

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the TV or nothing. Who was that right there?

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Who was that? Oh, Tommy Hearns fought there.

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Roberto Duran. Tommy Hearns and Roberto Duran

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was outside? Damn. That's crazy. In 1984. Wow.

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That's way before my time. Yes, way before. I

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guess they probably didn't even have an arena

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back then that could keep those guys in it. I

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wonder when they started putting arenas in Vegas.

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That's a good question. It probably started for

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those big boxing matches. Ask Perplexity. Yeah,

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ask Perplexity, our sponsor. When did they start

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putting an arena in Vegas? I'm going to say 90.

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Because... I think Vegas in the beginning was

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just all about gambling. And if there was a show,

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it was at a showroom in Vegas. If you went to

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see Sinatra or something like that, it was probably

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just a couple thousand people. It probably wasn't

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that big. It's crazy to see how Vegas has grown.

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Before my time, I see pictures. But even since

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I fought amateur worlds in Vegas, I wasn't even

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old enough to go in the casino. So they had to

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walk me around in the Flamingo, I believe. Oh,

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that's crazy. You couldn't go in the casino?

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I couldn't do nothing. If I walked on the floor,

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they were on me. I'm like, bro, I don't. How

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old were you? 18. Oh, wow. 17, 18? No, 18, yeah.

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18 about to turn 19. And, man, they were on me.

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I'm talking about, like, they must have had a

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watch on me. I stepped on the floor just to go

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across to get, like, to the drink machine. Well,

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there was probably a big concern that if you

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have underage competitors and that they're wandering

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around the casino, they could lose their license.

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Yeah, because we stayed at the Link. It was brand

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new at the time. And then we walked across to

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Flamingo. We fought there every... Every time

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until the finals. The finals was in the UFC Expo

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in the middle of the Expo, which was cool because

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they had, like, the Hall of Fame ceremony going

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on. You were there. I seen you. Yeah, yeah. So

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it was cool. But, yeah, it's crazy just to see

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it from there until now, like, how much it's

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growing and changed. Wow. It's pretty crazy.

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When did you first start training? How old were

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you? 13. And what did you start with? Jiu -jitsu.

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I didn't even, like, really mean to, to be honest.

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Like, I was playing football. I love football.

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my brother came home because he switched schools

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and his friend was like, hey, you want to do

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jiu -jitsu? And we was watching, you know, UFC

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on the weekends. That was like Randy Couture,

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Chuck Liddell trilogy. Yeah. All those guys.

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So we watched them on the weekends and he asked,

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so we went there and looked and I was still playing

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football. It was football season. And my dad's

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like, you want to try it? I was like, I watched

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the class and I was like, dad, I want to do it.

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And he's like, okay, we'll use the trial gear.

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I was like, dad, I don't want to borrow a gear.

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Can you buy me one? My parents didn't have much

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money. My dad was just starting to do. okay for

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himself at that point he's like if i buy you

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this gi i promise you for the rest of the year

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you're coming three times a week at least i was

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like yes sir so i started and never looked back

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a couple months later my brother and my dad joined

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me and we did it all together for a little while

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then my brother found girls and he went his way

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so yeah it's been a long that's derailed a lot

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of young prospects it definitely got him it definitely

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got him man that life took him elsewhere and

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I don't know. Luckily, I stayed. He would have

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been better than me, though. He was a lot tougher.

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Yeah, but is he the older brother? It's usually

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the younger brother that winds up being the real

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good fighter. Yeah, he beat me up a lot. That's

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the thing. That's the thing. You learn resilience.

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You learn how to be the nail. And the older brother

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oftentimes is too comfortable being the hammer.

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Yeah, but my dad would put him in his place.

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So luckily, he was used to being the nail a little

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bit, too. My dad's a big man. Um, yeah, man,

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life is crazy. So when did you start striking?

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Well, my dad boxed when he was younger and his,

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his grandfather taught him how to box. And he

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was like, uh, he did something, uh, like one,

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like a golden gloves in the military or something

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back when they had like the, the boxing gloves

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that were made with like horse hair. Oh, wow.

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Yeah. So, um, he taught my dad to box. And so

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my box, my dad boxed in high school. So he was

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kind of teaching me a little stuff. here and

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there growing up, but you know how it is, man.

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Who listens to their father? Now I look back

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and I'm like, man, I wish I would have listened

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more. And I say stuff that he was like, what'd

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I tell you 10 years ago? But I started striking

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probably like 15, maybe 15 and a half, somewhere

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around there. But it was all grown men back then,

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especially like where I came up at. There's no

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like beginner's classes or anything like that.

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And these guys are 24, 25, 26. I mean, there's

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been a couple of times, man, I got hit and I

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thought my jaw was broken. I start crying. I

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mean, like smack. And it was just like I couldn't

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open my mouth. That's the problem with a lot

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of boxing gyms in particular is that when new

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guys come in, they just beat them up. Yeah, they

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did. They beat me up. They don't box you, like

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spar you rather. They fight you. And they know

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how to fight and you don't know how to fight.

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You know, one of my best friends who was with

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me, like I started with him, was Kurt Hollibaugh.

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And him and Dustin Poirier were the two biggest

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where we were from at that time. So I remember

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Tim Crater reached out to Kurt. Crazy Tim. Yeah.

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And he was like, hey, why don't y 'all come spar?

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We got Dustin. I think Dustin was just about

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to go to WEC or he was right around there at

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that time. So we're like, let's go. Kurt's like,

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hey, you want to go? Yeah, let's go. So we go

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over there for sparring. And I'm sparring this

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guy, man. He had to be like five foot one. Like

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he was tiny, short. And Kurt. Goes with Dustin.

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And I'm sitting here trying to watch them go

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because, I mean, they're throwing. They're fighting.

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They're not sparring. And this guy is hitting

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me. I'm like, get off me. Like trying to watch.

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And the same day, like so we sparred like, I

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don't know, four or five rounds. It was nice.

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And then I'm only like 14, 15 years old at this

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time. And then it was start on the ground in

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your guard. And I go with Dustin because everyone

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like said my jiu -jitsu was good. It was for

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that time, but I was still just a kid. Dude,

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he hit me so hard when they said, literally,

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when they said go, it was like, boom, right in

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my mouth. And I was like, well, I guess this

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is what we're doing. I hurried up and grabbed

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and tried to sweep and all that kind of stuff.

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But, man, I never forget that moment to this

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day. Like, last time I trained with Dustin, I

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was like, hey, you remember that time you beat

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me up? Like, I'm not little no more. You had

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three weight classes above him. Yeah. Yeah. So,

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like, I see all the guys like that. There's one

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guy in particular. If I see him, I told everyone.

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I'm whooping his ass. One guy, you don't want

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to name him? His name's J -Mart. Oh, okay. Great

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guy, nice guy. But training, I never forget the

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day he hit me so hard and thought my jaw was

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broke. I'm like, and I was little, like now I'm

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a grown man. It is so hard to find. like reasonable

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sparring it's so hard to find people that are

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like willing to not hit you full blast and like

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preserve each other you know like hey we're all

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in this together you help me I help and if you

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can get that my god you progress so much faster

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if you're in there just there's something to

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be said for going through the fire and understand

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what it's like to be in a war with guys but There's

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something also to be said for like learning how

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to recover and like having more training sessions

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and not getting concussions all the time. Yeah.

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It's like Sean Jordan was the first to tell me

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that was like he came and trained. And obviously,

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you know, Sean's huge, super athletic guy, heavyweight,

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you know. And I'm talking about I watched him

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and this other big man. They were sparring and

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it was literally like touching each other. So

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I asked him after because everyone else is fighting.

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And I'm like, man, what? How come you don't spar

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so hard? He looked at me and started laughing.

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He's like, Brendan, at this time, I think he

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was like 270, somewhere around there. And he's

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like, I'm 270 pounds. I fought some of the biggest

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guys, like biggest names in the world at the

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time. He's like, I know how to fight. If I go

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full blast or he goes full blast, one of us is

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going to get hurt. And then we're not going to

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fight anymore. Like we're not going to make money

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for our family. So I always took that in. And

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obviously I'm not like. a huge guy like they

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were but it's like even like when i was training

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in florida i knew when me and robocop go we're

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fighting like i know it that guy's scary you

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know both both you guys like how the fuck are

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you making 185 pounds and you're on a smaller

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side in comparison to him yeah dude it's my weight

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cuts way harder than his is it yeah he walks

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dude surprisingly i asked him before because

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he has you know he has a great like physique

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right He's a big guy. When I see him, I'm like,

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bro, how much do you weigh? He's like, oh, like

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205. I said, no way. No way. He's like, I'll

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step on the scale right now. Steps on the scale,

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206. I was like, no way. I've seen him a little

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bit bigger. What is he, got bird bones? That

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doesn't even make any sense. I had no idea. I

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thought the same thing. But me, I step on the

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scale. I mean, right now, I'm probably like 225.

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But I haven't done nothing since I fought. But

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I stay around 215, 220. And I'm the runt of my

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family. So, like, my body wants to get bigger.

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But I'm like, uh, I got unfinished business here.

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So, yeah. A big 85er. Joe Pfeiffer. Oh, yeah.

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He's a huge 85er. He has a hard cut. He's huge.

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He has a hard cut. That's why I'm like, when

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he gets... Yeah, like, how is that guy... How

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is that guy 185? When I stand next to him, I'm

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like, how? Same. I can't believe he walks around

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205, because that doesn't even make sense. That's

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what I've seen him at. Hey, if it's a lot, guys,

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strike me down now, because... I think he rigged

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that scale. Well, we was all using it. He probably

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had his heels on the ground. There he was. I

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was super surprised. My boy Tuco was with me.

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We was all in the room. I was like, because I

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called him out on it. Everyone else wouldn't

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say it. I was like, nah. Was it after training?

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After training. Okay. And both of you after training.

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Yeah. And it wasn't a hard day. That day was

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not a hard day. We weren't sweating. It wasn't

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like a five, six pound practice day. Right. It

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was a pretty chill day into the week. Even if

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it was, I'd still be surprised. If he was only

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211, I'd be surprised. Dude. But I know when

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he had other fights. He was a little bit bigger

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because he wanted to be. I didn't understand.

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But still, you know, I think, well, the Ritter

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probably has to be the biggest 85er. He's enormous.

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He was bigger than I expected. And I seen him,

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but in the gym I never went close to him because

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I rode with him like one time in a quick thing.

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It was like a minute long. But still, I was surprised

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when we stepped in there. We stood up to each

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other at face -offs, and I was expecting him

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to be a little bit bigger. I don't know. Maybe

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I make everyone bigger in my head. But he was

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really long. Even when we stood next to each

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other, his hands felt like they touched his knees.

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I was like, all right, this is going to be interesting.

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Yeah, I was surprised when I first met him in

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the UFC. When he first came over, I was like...

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Because I saw him fight and won, and I knew he

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fought at, I believe he fought at 205 and 85

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over there, right? Right. And when I saw him,

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I was like, how the fuck are you making 185 pounds?

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Orange County, California. They were worried

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about that when he came over because he never

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made a real true 85 because, you know, they have

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the hydration, the hydration. So he can weigh

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in at 204, but fully hydrated. And they still

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know how to finesse that. Like, I just learned,

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like, how they finesse that. How they finesse

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that. So they drink a whole bunch of water and

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then they go. They don't pee. They don't do nothing.

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They drink that water and then go cut the weight.

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It stays in their stomach. piss it out it's clear

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it's all good so they they test that hydration

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they test that they're hydrated but they're really

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not oh they already went and sweat out a whole

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bunch so they drink it they just hold it that's

00:20:12.500 --> 00:20:14.839
all the guys do it some guys mess it up but that's

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the majority how everyone does it and so they

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so you just drink a whole ton of water and just

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hold your piss as long as possible yeah they

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make sure like they probably drink like two cups

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and then they're just gonna hold and then they'll

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go cut for like an hour like sweat sweat sweat

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sweat sweat and Then they say when they show

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up to the hydration, I've heard that from four

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people that have done it, and they said, yeah,

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bro, I learned from this guy, and I learned from

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this guy. I was like, wow, interesting. I knew

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there had to be some sort of a catch to it. They

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say it's more unhealthy than cutting weight over

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here to really make the weight because, I don't

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know, I'm not a scientist or a doctor, but my

00:20:51.619 --> 00:20:53.940
friends that are into all that stuff are like,

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explaining like how it works and i was like man

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that's crazy and but he was a guy that never

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made a true 186 so they were worried and then

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he did and i know like i know for a fact he's

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coming i don't know what he came in on my fight

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week but i think uh the one before that he he

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came in monday i believe at 210 210 the fight

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week so i was like shit i come in at 206 and

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i'm stressing i'm like ah 203 is like my number

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well i think that contributes to the fact that

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he gasses Yeah. I think it's just too much of

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a strain. And he's talked kind of vaguely, not

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real clearly, about problems that he's had with

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his health. And, you know, I've got to think

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that has to do with weight cuts. Yeah. So many

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guys have kidney problems. For sure. For sure.

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And it's weird because, like, in the fight with

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him, like, I knew, like, in the first round,

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to feel, like, obviously adrenaline is flowing

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and everything, so everything's intensified,

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right? I could feel how tight he was squeezing.

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I mean, he was squeezing, like his legs, everything.

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He was trying to where I couldn't move. So I

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just make little adjustments and make him move

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a little bit. He'd punch very rarely, but I was

00:22:03.039 --> 00:22:05.519
like, that's impossible. It's impossible for

00:22:05.519 --> 00:22:07.980
you to keep this up for 25 minutes. It's impossible.

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I know you're not going to do it. So just bide

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my time. Plus, I didn't want to gas either because

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it was short for me. Short notice, five rounds,

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you know. It was a little worrisome, but I knew

00:22:18.839 --> 00:22:23.000
he couldn't. I knew we couldn't. And, like, we

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did a lot of print for him specifically, and

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we saw the Russian that he fought and won. And

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I was like, we had our game plan before we watched

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it, and then we watched it and was like, here

00:22:32.140 --> 00:22:34.079
we go. Yeah. That's why everyone asks me, like,

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what's going to happen? I'm going to break him.

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He's tough. He is tough. But, you know, like.

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Well, if he comes out with that mentality, if

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he's trying to go full blast 100 % in the first

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round in a five -round fight, like, wee. Right.

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Exactly. Nobody can really do that. Yeah. And

00:22:49.319 --> 00:22:51.319
like I told the guys, like, cause obviously he

00:22:51.319 --> 00:22:54.200
trains where I was training and they all know,

00:22:54.240 --> 00:22:57.519
they all know me, you know? So it's like, if

00:22:57.519 --> 00:22:58.720
you think you're going to come out here and it,

00:22:58.740 --> 00:23:01.460
and he said in his interviews, like I'm a front

00:23:01.460 --> 00:23:04.119
runner, I'm not good long, but I approach a three

00:23:04.119 --> 00:23:05.700
round fight differently than I approach a five

00:23:05.700 --> 00:23:08.720
round fight. So I was like, all right, we'll

00:23:08.720 --> 00:23:11.279
see. And it kind of backfired. Well, it was a

00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:13.500
big win for you. Thank you. Huge win. You looked

00:23:13.500 --> 00:23:15.420
fantastic in that fight. Thank you. You know,

00:23:15.440 --> 00:23:18.079
it's like there's just so many talented people

00:23:18.079 --> 00:23:22.100
in the division. It's so hard to stand out. And

00:23:22.100 --> 00:23:24.480
sometimes, you know, you take a guy like Derrida

00:23:24.480 --> 00:23:26.799
who just got done stopping Bo Nickel, and there's

00:23:26.799 --> 00:23:29.019
a lot of momentum on his side. He looks real

00:23:29.019 --> 00:23:31.880
good. You beat Kevin Holland, submitted him,

00:23:32.220 --> 00:23:34.200
looks real good, and then you came along and

00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:37.240
stole that momentum. Yeah, it was weird, to be

00:23:37.240 --> 00:23:38.680
honest, because, like, when he got there, I was

00:23:38.680 --> 00:23:40.180
like, I want to fight him. Just because, like,

00:23:40.200 --> 00:23:41.920
things of, like, he fought one of my friends,

00:23:41.980 --> 00:23:43.619
which now I guess they're best friends, but...

00:23:43.619 --> 00:23:45.980
Who was that? Ong Lan Sen. Oh, okay. He took

00:23:45.980 --> 00:23:49.220
both his titles from him. Right. So, like, there

00:23:49.220 --> 00:23:50.859
was no animosity, but it was like... I want to

00:23:50.859 --> 00:23:52.619
test my, you're a ground guy. Like I'm a ground

00:23:52.619 --> 00:23:56.220
guy. Let's, let's see. And then it happened.

00:23:56.279 --> 00:23:58.559
He got there to UFC and I was like, I want to

00:23:58.559 --> 00:24:01.039
fight him. Like I was obviously, I think at the

00:24:01.039 --> 00:24:03.700
time I was like 12 ranked somewhere around there,

00:24:03.740 --> 00:24:07.279
but I was like, let him get one, two. And obviously

00:24:07.279 --> 00:24:10.720
his name's going to carry him, you know? So that

00:24:10.720 --> 00:24:14.519
came and I never forget. I was leaving an LSU

00:24:14.519 --> 00:24:19.259
game. I was in the parking lot. My manager called.

00:24:20.289 --> 00:24:22.009
And I was like, man, can we just get a fight,

00:24:22.069 --> 00:24:23.490
please? I've been asking for like three months.

00:24:23.609 --> 00:24:24.970
Like, please, I just want to fight. Because I'm

00:24:24.970 --> 00:24:27.250
very like, I get in this mode to where I just

00:24:27.250 --> 00:24:29.049
want to fight. And I'll just keep bugging him.

00:24:29.390 --> 00:24:30.750
Bugging him. Like, you want me to call Mick?

00:24:31.430 --> 00:24:34.769
You want me to call Hunter? And he was like,

00:24:34.849 --> 00:24:36.890
no, no, no, no. But anyway, so I stayed on him.

00:24:37.029 --> 00:24:42.690
He called me. I was like, hey, what about DeRitter?

00:24:43.609 --> 00:24:46.009
He was like, oh, come on, man. He had just fought.

00:24:46.089 --> 00:24:50.470
I think he beat Gerald. And he was like. I think

00:24:50.470 --> 00:24:52.490
I can make this happen. He texted me back a couple

00:24:52.490 --> 00:24:54.210
minutes. Hey, they're good to go. The next day

00:24:54.210 --> 00:24:56.009
they called back and they were like, no, they're

00:24:56.009 --> 00:24:57.210
not going to get the fight. Like, they don't

00:24:57.210 --> 00:24:59.289
want this fight. It's not the right time. I was

00:24:59.289 --> 00:25:00.450
like, all right. They're like, what about Fluffy?

00:25:00.509 --> 00:25:02.769
I was like, I asked for him two months ago. So

00:25:02.769 --> 00:25:06.329
that's when I ended up fighting Fluffy. And it

00:25:06.329 --> 00:25:08.210
just so happened he fought the bone nickel, got

00:25:08.210 --> 00:25:11.789
all that hype. And I don't know, man. Again,

00:25:11.890 --> 00:25:15.150
I was at an LSU practice and they called me and

00:25:15.150 --> 00:25:17.410
they were like, hey, my manager called me and

00:25:17.410 --> 00:25:20.549
he was like. I just want you to know, Fluffy's

00:25:20.549 --> 00:25:22.650
out. I threw your name in the hat, but you're

00:25:22.650 --> 00:25:25.190
not the frontrunner. It's Paulo Costa. He's the

00:25:25.190 --> 00:25:27.410
frontrunner, but I'm pushing for you because

00:25:27.410 --> 00:25:29.630
I just saw Paulo yesterday. I don't know how

00:25:29.630 --> 00:25:32.450
he's going to make 85 in four weeks. Yeah, he

00:25:32.450 --> 00:25:34.490
needs a lot of time to make weight. He's another

00:25:34.490 --> 00:25:37.930
guy at 185. Do you think that it could ever be

00:25:37.930 --> 00:25:40.369
possible for guys to just fight without cutting

00:25:40.369 --> 00:25:45.150
weight? Wouldn't that be better? It would be

00:25:45.150 --> 00:25:48.450
nice. Just wouldn't it be better overall for

00:25:48.450 --> 00:25:52.349
everybody? I think so, yeah, for sure. If everybody

00:25:52.349 --> 00:25:54.329
just was honest about what they actually weigh.

00:25:55.769 --> 00:25:57.829
Let's find out what everybody actually weighs

00:25:57.829 --> 00:26:00.029
when you're in shape, when you're ready to fight,

00:26:00.150 --> 00:26:02.630
and make a contract to fight at that weight.

00:26:02.910 --> 00:26:05.269
Because this whole weight cutting thing is just

00:26:05.269 --> 00:26:08.390
legalized cheating. It's so hard, and some guys

00:26:08.390 --> 00:26:12.089
are so good at it. Like how about Pereira? Dude,

00:26:12.230 --> 00:26:15.410
I don't know how he made 85. He would weigh 226

00:26:15.410 --> 00:26:17.730
when he would fight for the 185 -pound title.

00:26:18.130 --> 00:26:20.529
Crazy. Doesn't even make any sense. I don't get

00:26:20.529 --> 00:26:21.869
how you can put on that much weight. The most

00:26:21.869 --> 00:26:23.710
I ever put on was this last fight. I was 207.

00:26:23.890 --> 00:26:27.490
Bro, he gained 40 -something pounds. I don't

00:26:27.490 --> 00:26:31.210
get it. 40 pounds in a day. Blows my mind. What

00:26:31.210 --> 00:26:33.250
does that feel like? What does that do to your

00:26:33.250 --> 00:26:36.009
body? I always wonder that because this one was

00:26:36.009 --> 00:26:40.099
tough for me. One month, full diet. Usually I

00:26:40.099 --> 00:26:43.140
have a couple cheats and ease into the diet.

00:26:43.220 --> 00:26:45.160
I'm starting to do now because I'm hoping to

00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:46.839
fight in March, so I'm already going to start

00:26:46.839 --> 00:26:50.119
being cleaner and stuff. Are you concerned, though,

00:26:50.140 --> 00:26:52.380
that you could get another of those last -minute

00:26:52.380 --> 00:26:55.299
calls? Do you think like that, to not get too

00:26:55.299 --> 00:26:57.200
heavy? Because if somebody calls and says, hey,

00:26:57.319 --> 00:26:59.920
the big Paramount card, somebody fell out, it's

00:26:59.920 --> 00:27:03.619
January, can you fight? I think where I'm at,

00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:06.779
it would have to be an interim title or something

00:27:06.779 --> 00:27:09.809
like that. outside of that right now plus like

00:27:09.809 --> 00:27:12.990
the reason i i'm so big and i was out like i

00:27:12.990 --> 00:27:15.529
had fractures in my foot so i had to you know

00:27:15.529 --> 00:27:17.009
did you have fractures in your foot from the

00:27:17.009 --> 00:27:19.609
fight or just you had them before the fight oh

00:27:19.609 --> 00:27:21.930
god yeah which we didn't know i just knew it

00:27:21.930 --> 00:27:25.269
hurt like and to be honest with you like i had

00:27:25.269 --> 00:27:27.390
them before the fight before that but i didn't

00:27:27.390 --> 00:27:29.569
know like i was just like man it hurts like i

00:27:29.569 --> 00:27:31.049
thought it was just like a muscle so i just would

00:27:31.049 --> 00:27:34.069
roll it out there gun it like You know, that's

00:27:34.069 --> 00:27:37.170
what I would do. How many fractures? They said

00:27:37.170 --> 00:27:40.390
they saw three, but they're small. It was, like,

00:27:40.410 --> 00:27:42.650
right where, like, the toe meets the base of

00:27:42.650 --> 00:27:46.289
your foot. Is it from elbows? I don't know. It

00:27:46.289 --> 00:27:49.269
was on my lead foot, too, so I was like, I don't

00:27:49.269 --> 00:27:50.730
even know. Like, I don't teep a lot because I'm

00:27:50.730 --> 00:27:53.829
scared of, like, stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah,

00:27:53.910 --> 00:27:55.890
but I fought with crazy stuff, man. I tore my

00:27:55.890 --> 00:28:00.470
whole, like, ACL in half, calves, everything,

00:28:00.589 --> 00:28:02.940
when I fought Paul Craig. Did you really? Yeah,

00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:07.440
that calf slicer in half. It just blew your ACL

00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:09.480
out. Yes. Oh, God. I didn't know. So, like, in

00:28:09.480 --> 00:28:10.859
the second round, when I go to throw the punch,

00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:13.319
I think it was Dominic Cruz, he was like, oh,

00:28:13.380 --> 00:28:15.319
they clipped each other. And they showed the

00:28:15.319 --> 00:28:17.019
replay, and he hits my hand. He never hit, like,

00:28:17.079 --> 00:28:19.240
my face or anything. But your knee just buckled.

00:28:19.259 --> 00:28:21.319
Yeah, it gave. And you can see me reach down

00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:24.779
to my knee in that moment. Oh, wow. It was crazy.

00:28:25.019 --> 00:28:27.039
So, afterwards, we got that. But I was lucky,

00:28:27.099 --> 00:28:30.660
like, when it healed it. It fell to the bone.

00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:34.220
Like if they attach like up here, mine just reattached

00:28:34.220 --> 00:28:36.140
here. So I just have a little bit more play and

00:28:36.140 --> 00:28:38.660
it's still attached. Luckily. Really? Yeah, that's

00:28:38.660 --> 00:28:40.299
how it healed. So you never got surgery? Never.

00:28:40.700 --> 00:28:44.480
I was very lucky. Wow. Insane. There's like three

00:28:44.480 --> 00:28:48.400
different MRIs that show like fine, torn half,

00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:51.759
rehealed. So it was a partial tail. No, they

00:28:51.759 --> 00:28:54.339
told me in half. It cut in half and then like

00:28:54.339 --> 00:28:56.420
fell. And when it fell, I got lucky and it fell

00:28:56.420 --> 00:28:59.099
on the bone just lower at a lower point. And

00:28:59.099 --> 00:29:00.880
it healed on the bone? And it fused to the bone

00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:03.960
itself. What? Yes. How long did it take to do

00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:05.819
that? I don't know. The doctor said it could,

00:29:05.900 --> 00:29:07.799
it says it looked like it was torn maybe like

00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:09.640
a slight tear before and that one finished it.

00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:14.579
And the last MRI was probably four or five months

00:29:14.579 --> 00:29:16.759
ago because I had to get it for something else.

00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:20.339
Fused to the bone. Perfect. You can see it clear

00:29:20.339 --> 00:29:22.640
as day. The doctor showed me, I was like. That's

00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:24.579
pretty cool. Did you get stem cells or anything

00:29:24.579 --> 00:29:26.779
on it? Yeah, I did. I did do a lot of stem cells

00:29:26.779 --> 00:29:28.759
through the UFC and stuff. They sent me that.

00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:30.759
That probably helped. Did you go down to Tijuana?

00:29:31.140 --> 00:29:34.119
No. They sent it to my doctor. Oh, they just

00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:36.059
sent it. It was nice. They just sent a whole

00:29:36.059 --> 00:29:37.880
bunch. My doctor was like, man, look how much

00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:39.779
they sent. I was like, I don't know what it's

00:29:39.779 --> 00:29:41.680
supposed to look like. Fill it up. Let's go.

00:29:41.740 --> 00:29:43.519
Yeah, let's go. So we injected that. But yeah,

00:29:43.619 --> 00:29:45.400
I fight with all crazy stuff because it's like,

00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:47.420
I don't know. I don't know how to pull. That's

00:29:47.420 --> 00:29:49.220
the thing that people need to realize that watch.

00:29:49.380 --> 00:29:52.589
Nobody fights at 100%. Or very few people. Very,

00:29:52.670 --> 00:29:55.049
very rarely. And I just don't know how to pull.

00:29:55.210 --> 00:29:57.890
I've never pulled from knock on wood. I haven't

00:29:57.890 --> 00:30:00.210
pulled on one fight in my career. And I've been

00:30:00.210 --> 00:30:02.410
pretty messed up. I think my worst was when I

00:30:02.410 --> 00:30:04.150
fought Ihm Evolve, to be honest. Physically,

00:30:04.829 --> 00:30:08.349
as far as how my body was, was pretty good. But

00:30:08.349 --> 00:30:11.269
I didn't realize how much of a toll, because

00:30:11.269 --> 00:30:14.799
I have a thyroid problem. I went years without

00:30:14.799 --> 00:30:17.599
getting it checked. And, um, for like a while

00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:19.920
I was feeling like real sluggish, real tired.

00:30:20.339 --> 00:30:23.660
Um, no sex drive, nothing like I didn't want

00:30:23.660 --> 00:30:27.240
to get out of bed. And, um, my weight was just

00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:29.180
steady growing up for the first time in my life.

00:30:29.200 --> 00:30:31.960
At that point I hit two 20 and I was like, what

00:30:31.960 --> 00:30:33.839
is going on? Like I'm still training, I'm eating

00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:36.579
clean. And, uh, anyway, I went to a specialist

00:30:36.579 --> 00:30:39.859
in Florida. And they tested everything like T3,

00:30:39.880 --> 00:30:43.519
T4, and I never had T3 checked ever. And it was

00:30:43.519 --> 00:30:47.119
like seven times the normal value, whatever that

00:30:47.119 --> 00:30:48.700
was supposed to be. I have it on a paper or whatever.

00:30:49.339 --> 00:30:51.220
They gave me that and they were like, hey, man,

00:30:51.299 --> 00:30:52.880
I'm going to let you know. I was fighting in

00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:55.640
three or four weeks in France. And they were

00:30:55.640 --> 00:30:57.359
like, hey, this is going to take a month and

00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:00.099
a half, two months to regulate and fully settle

00:31:00.099 --> 00:31:02.299
out. I was like, I don't got that kind of time.

00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:04.339
Just give me enough to where my weight will come

00:31:04.339 --> 00:31:07.279
down because I wasn't losing anything. They were

00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:08.599
like, it's going to do that. Don't worry. Within

00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:11.000
a week or two, that's going to happen. I was

00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:12.619
still pretty tired, but I just kept pushing.

00:31:12.940 --> 00:31:16.279
We went to London first, stayed there a week

00:31:16.279 --> 00:31:18.299
because it was cheaper for us than going to France

00:31:18.299 --> 00:31:21.099
because my friend had family there. Then we went

00:31:21.099 --> 00:31:24.259
to France, and then I was still feeling tired.

00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:27.599
That was the first camp in my life I couldn't

00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:29.420
do more than two and a half rounds, the whole

00:31:29.420 --> 00:31:33.589
camp. Really? And Bysinger was the only person

00:31:33.589 --> 00:31:36.430
that I had to train with. Greg was hurt. Other

00:31:36.430 --> 00:31:38.710
guys were out. So I had Bysinger every day. I

00:31:38.710 --> 00:31:40.849
paid him to train with me every day whenever

00:31:40.849 --> 00:31:44.849
I wanted, sparring, anything. And I asked him.

00:31:45.150 --> 00:31:47.190
I do good for the first round, halfway through

00:31:47.190 --> 00:31:51.109
the second. After that, I was dead, like dead.

00:31:51.490 --> 00:31:54.109
And I'm still hitting my runs, my lifts, every

00:31:54.109 --> 00:31:55.849
training session. I'm doing everything normal.

00:31:57.009 --> 00:31:59.690
But, man, it was terrible. So the fight comes.

00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:05.460
And the commission kind of like did super weird

00:32:05.460 --> 00:32:07.460
stuff. Like I made weight. And they're like,

00:32:07.579 --> 00:32:08.759
oh, you're getting drug tested. I'm like, okay,

00:32:08.839 --> 00:32:11.160
no problem. They're like, no, no, no. You're

00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:13.380
going to get drug tested now. Not the night of

00:32:13.380 --> 00:32:15.619
the fight like normal. I was like, what? I was

00:32:15.619 --> 00:32:17.680
like, I literally just cut weight. Like I don't

00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:20.440
got to pee. I'm just now drinking fluid. They're

00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:22.140
like, doesn't matter. You can go to your room.

00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:24.759
I was like, all right. I'll wait for a couple

00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:26.519
minutes. I waited for like 10 minutes. I was

00:32:26.519 --> 00:32:27.819
like, hey, man, I'm just going to go to my room,

00:32:27.859 --> 00:32:31.059
try to sleep. And they were like. No, we don't

00:32:31.059 --> 00:32:32.299
have enough people. You need to stay here. I

00:32:32.299 --> 00:32:34.799
stayed there for two hours. Finally, I peed,

00:32:34.819 --> 00:32:38.079
just barely. Peed, and they did two vials of

00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:40.619
blood. They got mad because they did that one

00:32:40.619 --> 00:32:44.000
they put on and press, the gravity one, and they

00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:47.019
couldn't get enough. Because you're dehydrated.

00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:48.859
Exactly. Do you think they were fucking with

00:32:48.859 --> 00:32:50.279
you because you were fighting in France against

00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:53.500
a French guy? It was me and Moikano. Us, two,

00:32:53.539 --> 00:32:55.759
and one other person, American. Was that when

00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:57.680
Moikano was fighting Benoit Saint -Denis? Yes,

00:32:57.680 --> 00:33:00.839
sir. He bitched about the same thing, but somehow

00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:02.480
he had to - They were fucking with you guys.

00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:04.539
Them two were up sleeping in their room, chilling.

00:33:04.839 --> 00:33:07.400
Oh, that's so - But it's not an excuse. It does

00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:09.779
not have to be an excuse. That's so dirty. It

00:33:09.779 --> 00:33:12.380
was frustrating, but that's why when - I still

00:33:12.380 --> 00:33:15.500
think Ian Revolve's a cool guy. He's deserved

00:33:15.500 --> 00:33:17.240
his title shot. I think he's fully earned it.

00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:19.859
Don't get me wrong. But I want to fight him again

00:33:19.859 --> 00:33:21.700
where it's like, I sparred him a month after

00:33:21.700 --> 00:33:23.640
that. He was at the gym, and I showed up at the

00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:26.480
gym, and we sparred. We had a good time. But

00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:28.559
I still think he's a nice guy. I think he deserved

00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:29.920
his spot. But I just want to fight him where

00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:33.180
everything's equal. And like you said, we're

00:33:33.180 --> 00:33:35.059
not going to come in 100%. He's not. I'm not.

00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:38.440
Fine. I don't care if I got a messed up hand,

00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:41.259
foot, whatever. But just an equal plate. Well,

00:33:41.359 --> 00:33:43.259
it just sounds like you were compromised. Look,

00:33:43.339 --> 00:33:45.799
a good example of that was Piotr Jan in his first

00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:48.410
fight with Murab. Man, he looked great this weekend.

00:33:48.509 --> 00:33:51.970
Fuck! What a master class. He looked great. I

00:33:51.970 --> 00:33:53.490
was so surprised. When you're going to fight

00:33:53.490 --> 00:33:57.430
a guy like Merab, that is the master class. You

00:33:57.430 --> 00:34:00.670
should put on a clinic. Honestly, I didn't think

00:34:00.670 --> 00:34:01.950
he was going to be able to do that for five rounds.

00:34:02.049 --> 00:34:04.059
I thought he'd have one, maybe two. Maybe Max,

00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:05.779
too, and I thought Marab was just going to do

00:34:05.779 --> 00:34:08.380
what Marab does. I was so wrong. Bro, his training

00:34:08.380 --> 00:34:11.199
camp must have been hell. Had to. Had to be hell.

00:34:11.340 --> 00:34:13.579
Had to. I mean, he must have done something.

00:34:13.739 --> 00:34:15.440
I mean, it looked like it. I saw some videos

00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:17.059
of it. It looked like he was doing some wild

00:34:17.059 --> 00:34:19.260
strength and conditioning and plyometrics, and

00:34:19.260 --> 00:34:21.579
he knew what he was in for. That's the thing.

00:34:21.619 --> 00:34:23.159
If you're going to fight a guy like Marab, it's

00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:25.219
like you know what the mountain is. You ready

00:34:25.219 --> 00:34:27.599
to climb it? For sure. And the first time they

00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:29.860
fought, apparently he had a fucked up right hand.

00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:31.579
That's what I heard. And he couldn't grapple

00:34:31.579 --> 00:34:33.079
with it and he couldn't throw punches with it.

00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:35.239
So I rewatched the fight after he said that.

00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:37.619
I was like, oh, he's barely using it. Like barely

00:34:37.619 --> 00:34:39.280
using his right hand. Makes sense, right? Totally

00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:41.579
makes sense. And then also psychologically, if

00:34:41.579 --> 00:34:44.079
you only got one hand, everything, now you have

00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:46.599
to think. Right. You can't really throw combinations.

00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:49.380
You have to think. You want to know how tough

00:34:49.380 --> 00:34:52.039
Uriah Faber is? Uriah Faber, when he fought Mike

00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:54.960
Brown, he broke both hands. Both hands. I remember

00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:57.139
that fight. And he was throwing elbows. Both

00:34:57.139 --> 00:34:59.539
hands. He was one of my favorite fighters. He

00:34:59.539 --> 00:35:02.019
was a guy that I wanted to be just like. You

00:35:02.019 --> 00:35:04.780
could ask my dad. He'll laugh to this day. I

00:35:04.780 --> 00:35:07.380
was like, Dad. I don't want to be like, my dad's

00:35:07.380 --> 00:35:08.820
tall. Everyone's tall. I don't want to be tall.

00:35:08.900 --> 00:35:11.179
I want to be like him. He was like, what? Because

00:35:11.179 --> 00:35:13.380
that was the fight. He was a beast. He was a

00:35:13.380 --> 00:35:15.860
beast back in the day. You know, by the time

00:35:15.860 --> 00:35:19.099
he was fighting in the UFC, I kind of think he

00:35:19.099 --> 00:35:21.320
had had some of his best fights already. Like

00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:24.719
in the WEC days. Dude, amazing fights. Oh, he

00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:27.400
was a killer. I still remember the Mike Brown

00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:31.469
coming out party. Jose Aldo. That was another

00:35:31.469 --> 00:35:34.030
example of how tough he is. When he fought Jose

00:35:34.030 --> 00:35:36.989
Aldo and Jose Aldo killed his leg, dude, killed

00:35:36.989 --> 00:35:40.690
his leg. It is the worst after fight leg I've

00:35:40.690 --> 00:35:43.780
ever seen in my life. Other than Austin Hubbard.

00:35:43.860 --> 00:35:45.579
You ever see Austin Hubbard? He got compartment

00:35:45.579 --> 00:35:47.559
syndrome and had to have his whole leg sliced

00:35:47.559 --> 00:35:50.579
open. What? From the top to the bottom to alleviate

00:35:50.579 --> 00:35:53.340
pressure and drain some of the fluids. No way.

00:35:53.420 --> 00:35:55.760
It's the nastiest injury I've ever seen. I'm

00:35:55.760 --> 00:35:57.880
going to ask him. Google, excuse me, look up

00:35:57.880 --> 00:36:03.099
Austin Hubbard images of, I forget the fight.

00:36:03.739 --> 00:36:06.699
Oh, there it is. Look at his leg. That black

00:36:06.699 --> 00:36:09.639
thing, that's his leg open. No way. Yeah, that's

00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:12.900
his tissue. Oh my days. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:36:13.099 --> 00:36:16.340
Look at that. Oh my gosh. How insane is that?

00:36:16.420 --> 00:36:18.480
Dude, he trains in Chicago with me. Oh, when

00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:21.500
I ask him. Look at that image. How fucking insane

00:36:21.500 --> 00:36:23.679
is that image? That's his tissue underneath there,

00:36:23.739 --> 00:36:26.340
man. Oh, my. Look, you have to like mature content.

00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:28.960
You have to click a link in Instagram to be able

00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:32.099
to see it. Holy cow. How nuts is that, man? Dude,

00:36:32.099 --> 00:36:35.280
that's gnarly. So there's a drain, that tube

00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:37.139
that you're seeing right there. What that is

00:36:37.139 --> 00:36:40.440
attached to is that drain that's letting liquid

00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:42.860
drip out of his leg. So compartment syndrome

00:36:42.860 --> 00:36:45.869
is so bad. Sometimes people, when they don't

00:36:45.869 --> 00:36:47.690
get it treated, they have to get their leg amputated.

00:36:47.869 --> 00:36:50.090
Really? Oh, yeah. So that was just from leg kicks

00:36:50.090 --> 00:36:52.050
from a fight? Just from leg kicks from a fight.

00:36:52.170 --> 00:36:55.349
Wow. I'm trying to remember who he fought. Jesus.

00:36:55.349 --> 00:36:58.710
Can we find out who he fought? It was a year

00:36:58.710 --> 00:37:02.130
ago. Oh, more than a year ago. This picture was

00:37:02.130 --> 00:37:04.989
325 weeks ago. Yeah, but the fight was more than

00:37:04.989 --> 00:37:09.150
a year ago. It was quite a while ago. But what?

00:37:09.250 --> 00:37:13.210
Is it like a big bruise? Well, it says 325 weeks

00:37:13.210 --> 00:37:20.460
ago. Oh, 300, yeah. 325 weeks ago, yeah. So it

00:37:20.460 --> 00:37:23.159
was quite a while ago. See if you found out who

00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:25.500
you fought. Boy, it's just like your leg just

00:37:25.500 --> 00:37:27.800
stays bruised and swollen. Not just bruised.

00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:30.059
It's like your tissue breaks down. It fills up

00:37:30.059 --> 00:37:33.280
with fluid. Damn. Yeah, and then also what happens,

00:37:33.300 --> 00:37:35.360
I guess, when you get that much damage in your

00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:37.320
tissue is like your whole body has to process

00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:43.000
all of that. Kyle. I don't remember that. So

00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:45.840
it was UFC Vancouver. Elevator. Passed out on

00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:47.260
an elevator. Had to be rushed to the hospital.

00:37:47.860 --> 00:37:51.579
That is crazy. I never knew that. Yeah. See him

00:37:51.579 --> 00:37:54.079
at the gym all the time. He's a nice guy, too.

00:37:54.079 --> 00:37:55.960
So they had to cut his leg open to reduce the

00:37:55.960 --> 00:37:58.400
pressure. So that's what that image is. Damn.

00:37:58.619 --> 00:38:02.659
Nuts. That is crazy. Yeah. That was nuts. And

00:38:02.659 --> 00:38:05.480
then Uriah's leg, honestly, in the fight, looked

00:38:05.480 --> 00:38:07.920
worse than that. I mean, Uriah might have had

00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:11.299
compartment syndrome and didn't get it. Because

00:38:11.299 --> 00:38:13.559
I know he spent a lot of time in hyperbaric chambers

00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:15.880
after the fight. I want to try that. It's great.

00:38:16.300 --> 00:38:17.980
I want to try that. It's really amazing. If you

00:38:17.980 --> 00:38:20.320
have an aura ring and you go into the hyperbaric

00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:23.000
chamber, it will tell you that you're recovered

00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:25.480
more. Really? Yeah, than a normal day. Yeah.

00:38:25.539 --> 00:38:27.719
Oh, you have a very high level of recovery today.

00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:29.420
Yeah. I'm going to try that for sure. Oh, it's

00:38:29.420 --> 00:38:31.619
legit. Yeah. All my friends have been like, like

00:38:31.619 --> 00:38:33.599
Jared Gordon, like got one for one of his fights

00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:35.420
and he's telling me like how different it makes

00:38:35.420 --> 00:38:37.539
him feel and stuff. Like for me, as far as I

00:38:37.539 --> 00:38:39.539
go, it's like, I just started like really like

00:38:39.539 --> 00:38:43.019
using more supplements. I think the deal that

00:38:43.019 --> 00:38:44.980
Thorne made with UFC really helped me. Because,

00:38:44.980 --> 00:38:46.679
like, I started using there. And what really

00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:48.440
helped is I was always scared to go on creatine

00:38:48.440 --> 00:38:49.780
because, like, growing up, my dad would get so

00:38:49.780 --> 00:38:52.579
big. And he would, like, back in the day, they'd

00:38:52.579 --> 00:38:53.840
have, like, all these different things. Like,

00:38:53.860 --> 00:38:55.920
oh, if you use too much creatine, it's bad for

00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:58.800
you, bad for your kidneys or whatever. Turns

00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:00.980
out all that's bullshit. Exactly. And creatine

00:39:00.980 --> 00:39:03.139
is fantastic for you. And that's been, like,

00:39:03.179 --> 00:39:04.639
the main thing. Like, I can really feel, like,

00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:07.280
how different my body recovers. Like, how more.

00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:11.800
almost energized in a way. I wake up and when

00:39:11.800 --> 00:39:15.519
I go to lift and stuff, I feel way better. What's

00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:17.699
even great for your mind? Creatine is fantastic

00:39:17.699 --> 00:39:19.739
just for cognitive support. I need everything

00:39:19.739 --> 00:39:23.579
for that. I've been getting hit in the head since

00:39:23.579 --> 00:39:28.460
I was 13 years old. Sometimes it don't function

00:39:28.460 --> 00:39:31.880
properly. It's funny. Me and my wife were just

00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:34.000
joking the other day. I was like, babe, you do

00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:35.239
that on purpose, don't you? She's like, what?

00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:37.079
I was like, you try to use memory against me.

00:39:37.340 --> 00:39:39.099
You'll wait until I forget something. Then you'll

00:39:39.099 --> 00:39:40.659
be like, oh, remember you said this? I'm like,

00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:43.800
I didn't say that. I have to die on that hill

00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:45.940
because it's like, I don't remember, but I don't

00:39:45.940 --> 00:39:48.280
tell her that. I'm just like, no, I didn't. I

00:39:48.280 --> 00:39:52.900
know I didn't. That was a great relationship

00:39:52.900 --> 00:39:56.340
that's helped. UFC's made a lot of good partnerships

00:39:56.340 --> 00:39:58.380
that's helped the athletes, but for me personally,

00:39:58.579 --> 00:40:00.380
the Thorne relationship. Yeah, Thorne makes great

00:40:00.380 --> 00:40:02.980
stuff. Yeah, and they're so tested. If you get

00:40:02.980 --> 00:40:04.960
in a hyperbaric chamber, it'll help your memory

00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:06.960
as well. Hyperbaric chamber is just good for

00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:09.699
overall recovery for everything. There was even

00:40:09.699 --> 00:40:11.699
a study out of Jerusalem that shows that Langston's

00:40:11.699 --> 00:40:14.619
telomeres, they did this process where they had...

00:40:15.500 --> 00:40:20.000
You took 60 sessions of 90 minutes over the course

00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:22.840
of 90 days. So 60 hour and a half sessions over

00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:24.440
the course of 90 days, and it showed a length

00:40:24.440 --> 00:40:26.980
in people's telomeres. Really? Yeah, that was

00:40:26.980 --> 00:40:31.619
equal to a 20 -age difference. So, yeah, 20 -year

00:40:31.619 --> 00:40:34.300
age difference. So it's like your telomeres as

00:40:34.300 --> 00:40:37.000
you get older, that's like one of the clear marks

00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:40.480
of biological aging is how long your telomeres

00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:43.030
are. That's good to know. Yeah. It indicates,

00:40:43.150 --> 00:40:44.969
you know, like as you get older, they shrink.

00:40:45.110 --> 00:40:47.369
And there's a few things that they've shown that

00:40:47.369 --> 00:40:49.650
will increase telomeres, but nothing as dramatically

00:40:49.650 --> 00:40:52.329
that I've ever heard other than the hyperbaric

00:40:52.329 --> 00:40:53.889
chamber. That was probably the best one I've

00:40:53.889 --> 00:40:56.750
ever heard of. Yeah. Man, I've been like trying

00:40:56.750 --> 00:40:58.969
to learn more about recovery because I'm kind

00:40:58.969 --> 00:41:01.489
of like. How old are you now? I'll be 30 in a

00:41:01.489 --> 00:41:03.070
couple weeks. Yeah, that's when you got to start

00:41:03.070 --> 00:41:05.449
thinking about it. When you're 22, you're just

00:41:05.449 --> 00:41:07.929
a wild man. You wake up in the morning with rock

00:41:07.929 --> 00:41:11.010
-hard boners. Like, everything's fine. You just

00:41:11.010 --> 00:41:12.349
show up to training. You don't even stretch.

00:41:12.429 --> 00:41:15.010
Now I'm like, wait a minute, guys. Wait a minute.

00:41:15.210 --> 00:41:17.530
The thing is, even if you're 22, you should stretch.

00:41:17.550 --> 00:41:19.769
That's just youthful ignorance. God, there's

00:41:19.769 --> 00:41:22.070
so many guys that can't. I remember I was talking

00:41:22.070 --> 00:41:23.110
to him. I don't want to say his name because

00:41:23.110 --> 00:41:25.829
he's a good guy. But he's like a world -class

00:41:25.829 --> 00:41:27.969
MMA fighter, and I was trying to show him something.

00:41:28.170 --> 00:41:29.829
We were talking about, like, guard technique.

00:41:30.059 --> 00:41:32.219
And he's like, I can't, and I'm not flexible.

00:41:32.380 --> 00:41:35.099
I can't get my leg like that. And I go, what

00:41:35.099 --> 00:41:36.639
do you mean you're not flexible? I go, why aren't

00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:38.800
you flexible? He goes, I don't stretch. I go,

00:41:38.820 --> 00:41:41.820
how do you not stretch? You're a world -class

00:41:41.820 --> 00:41:43.880
fighter who tries to kick people in the head,

00:41:43.940 --> 00:41:47.539
and you don't stretch? That's so crazy. He's

00:41:47.539 --> 00:41:51.219
like, it's boring. I'm like, okay. A lot of things

00:41:51.219 --> 00:41:54.219
are boring. Like, that you don't stretch is so

00:41:54.219 --> 00:41:56.619
crazy. Because, like, anytime someone says, I'm

00:41:56.619 --> 00:41:59.679
not flexible, I'm like, how do you know? Right.

00:41:59.820 --> 00:42:02.199
You know, like you don't know if you're flexible

00:42:02.199 --> 00:42:05.360
until you start stretching for a long fucking

00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:08.219
time. Right. You can get flexible. It's like,

00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:10.440
I don't have any cardio. Well, you can get cardio.

00:42:10.619 --> 00:42:13.400
That's a choice. Fucking work, get, do cardio

00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:16.039
and you'll have cardio. This is crazy. Yeah,

00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:18.039
but you're really flexible though. Yeah, but

00:42:18.039 --> 00:42:20.000
it's like I'd never stopped, but I started when

00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:22.760
I was little. I developed flexibility while my

00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:24.780
body was still maturing, which is very fortunate

00:42:24.780 --> 00:42:27.960
because you're not stiff yet. It's like you can

00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:31.380
get flexible. But I'm 58 years old. It's not

00:42:31.380 --> 00:42:34.119
easy to stay flexible. I just keep fucking stretching.

00:42:34.539 --> 00:42:36.280
I didn't know you were 58. I'm old as shit, dude.

00:42:36.340 --> 00:42:37.539
I didn't know that. I thought you were younger

00:42:37.539 --> 00:42:39.800
than that. You're older than my dad. I'm old,

00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:41.039
dude. You're in good shape, though. Thank you.

00:42:41.199 --> 00:42:44.119
I keep up. I'm scared of death. I'm not scared

00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:46.039
of death. Death is inevitable. What I'm scared

00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:49.210
of is... Being feeble, like where you can't do

00:42:49.210 --> 00:42:52.190
things anymore. You can't go on a hike. You can't

00:42:52.190 --> 00:42:55.030
use your body. Like I work out just as hard now

00:42:55.030 --> 00:42:57.929
as I did when I was 30. I make my wife always

00:42:57.929 --> 00:43:01.210
worried because I'm like, I don't know. I don't

00:43:01.210 --> 00:43:03.170
honestly know if I mean it or not. I'm like,

00:43:03.190 --> 00:43:07.030
I don't want to be 80 years old. Like, for instance,

00:43:07.130 --> 00:43:10.230
like. You kind of not say things like that around

00:43:10.230 --> 00:43:12.250
ladies sometimes. They don't like you. She's

00:43:12.250 --> 00:43:15.110
like, no, don't say that. I need you. We're a

00:43:15.110 --> 00:43:17.150
team. And I'm like, babe, look what I do for

00:43:17.150 --> 00:43:19.750
a living. Look what I've done. My body's not

00:43:19.750 --> 00:43:24.190
like that. I don't know. Maybe I say that, but

00:43:24.190 --> 00:43:25.989
then I get out of working out for like, I haven't

00:43:25.989 --> 00:43:27.269
worked out in like two months. And I'm like,

00:43:27.309 --> 00:43:29.550
I'm itching like a freaking fiend. I'm like.

00:43:29.969 --> 00:43:32.010
So when you say I haven't worked out, you don't

00:43:32.010 --> 00:43:33.909
do anything for two months? I haven't done anything.

00:43:34.070 --> 00:43:36.090
I went in the gym twice. I went in the gym twice.

00:43:36.150 --> 00:43:39.440
I did one run. In one lift. And then we found

00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:41.340
out my foot had fractures and they sent me this

00:43:41.340 --> 00:43:42.880
foot boot. And then the doctor was like, you

00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:44.880
don't have to wear that, but don't do anything

00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:46.639
that puts a lot of pressure on your foot. Then

00:43:46.639 --> 00:43:48.460
I've been traveling. At the end of the year,

00:43:48.519 --> 00:43:51.940
I travel a lot going hunting and stuff. Like

00:43:51.940 --> 00:43:55.219
your meat eater thing. I love that kind of stuff.

00:43:56.300 --> 00:43:58.400
I'm not on that big of a scale and that nice

00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:01.559
of animals. I'm just a simple whitetail kind

00:44:01.559 --> 00:44:04.260
of guy. I love hunting whitetails. I love it.

00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:06.260
I got a little property in Illinois. Oh, that's

00:44:06.260 --> 00:44:09.000
great, man. So I can't believe you could take

00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:11.360
a whole couple of months off with nothing. Just

00:44:11.360 --> 00:44:13.559
don't do nothing. Crazy, right? Yeah. I'm very

00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:16.400
blessed. Well, it's probably smart. It's probably

00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:18.239
smart to do. It's good and bad. I've heard a

00:44:18.239 --> 00:44:20.480
few people do that. It's good and bad. So, like,

00:44:20.500 --> 00:44:22.320
I only do it this much at the end of the year

00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:25.380
because it's hunting season and holidays and

00:44:25.380 --> 00:44:27.659
my kids' birthdays. You know, kind of my kids'

00:44:27.739 --> 00:44:30.599
birthdays are right now or back to, well, shit,

00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:32.420
I guess all the time. They're back to back to

00:44:32.420 --> 00:44:35.019
back. So it's like. All right, we'll do that.

00:44:35.059 --> 00:44:36.920
We travel. But it's only end of the year. Usually

00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:39.079
I'll take a couple weeks off, maybe a month max,

00:44:39.219 --> 00:44:41.960
depending on my injuries after a fight. But then

00:44:41.960 --> 00:44:44.500
I'm back at it. But it's hard for me at home.

00:44:44.579 --> 00:44:46.420
I'm a full -time dad and a full -time husband

00:44:46.420 --> 00:44:49.800
at home right now. I've got so many kids, you

00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:51.940
know. I'm away for so long. How many kids do

00:44:51.940 --> 00:44:54.739
you have? I'm about to have five. Wow. Yeah.

00:44:54.920 --> 00:44:57.599
Five and you're not even 30 yet. Yes, sir. I

00:44:57.599 --> 00:45:00.980
have two with my ex. I'm about to have two with

00:45:00.980 --> 00:45:04.119
my current wife, and she has a son from her previous

00:45:04.119 --> 00:45:08.800
stepson. Wow. Yeah. And he's 14. My daughter's

00:45:08.800 --> 00:45:10.860
just turned six and four. My son's about to turn

00:45:10.860 --> 00:45:12.980
one, and then we'll have another one in about

00:45:12.980 --> 00:45:14.780
a month and a half. So you've got a lot of work

00:45:14.780 --> 00:45:18.139
to do. Yeah, but it's nice. It's hard right now.

00:45:18.960 --> 00:45:22.000
Kids have schedules, and now my little girls

00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:24.179
do jiu -jitsu. My stepson was playing football

00:45:24.179 --> 00:45:26.360
for the first time this year, and he's a basketball

00:45:26.360 --> 00:45:28.300
player because my wife was a pro basketball player.

00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:31.440
So he's always got something going on. But at

00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:33.420
my new house that I'm working to build, I have,

00:45:33.420 --> 00:45:35.659
like, two gyms, full gyms. So, like, I don't

00:45:35.659 --> 00:45:38.460
have to leave. Oh, that's nice. I can bring people

00:45:38.460 --> 00:45:40.599
in to train. I have my full cage that I used

00:45:40.599 --> 00:45:42.880
to have for my promotion. Well, even if you only

00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:45.360
realize, oh, I only have 40 minutes before I

00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:47.380
have to leave. But I can get a half -hour workout

00:45:47.380 --> 00:45:49.219
on real quick. And you can really burn it out

00:45:49.219 --> 00:45:52.539
for a half an hour just to keep the machine oiled.

00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:54.659
Exactly. But, you know, the argument about taking

00:45:54.659 --> 00:45:57.500
time off, it does reset the brain. Like, you

00:45:57.500 --> 00:45:59.099
know who used to do that? I know he's not a fighter.

00:45:59.469 --> 00:46:03.610
Ronnie Coleman. Ronnie Coleman is crazy as he

00:46:03.610 --> 00:46:05.789
used to lift when he was Mr. Olympia, and he

00:46:05.789 --> 00:46:07.769
was one of the heaviest lifters of all time.

00:46:08.389 --> 00:46:11.469
He's a freak. He's a freak. Ronnie, when he would

00:46:11.469 --> 00:46:13.429
get done with Mr. Olympia, he would be like,

00:46:13.489 --> 00:46:15.329
I'm not doing shit. He wouldn't do anything for

00:46:15.329 --> 00:46:18.150
a couple months. No training at all. And they'd

00:46:18.150 --> 00:46:19.530
be like, nothing at all? He'd go, nope, nothing,

00:46:19.670 --> 00:46:22.489
nothing. He goes, I got to reset. Got to reset.

00:46:22.670 --> 00:46:26.230
But imagine being so driven that you could train

00:46:26.230 --> 00:46:29.639
the way that guy trained. And yet so wise that

00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:32.699
you're like, I'll get it back. Let me just like,

00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:35.739
let me just chill. Let me just chill. And it

00:46:35.739 --> 00:46:37.880
wasn't like it turned him into a lazy person.

00:46:38.059 --> 00:46:40.179
Like that's what everyone's afraid of. Oh, I'm

00:46:40.179 --> 00:46:42.119
going to lose this momentum. I'm doing so good.

00:46:42.420 --> 00:46:44.699
Everything's going so great. I'm working so hard.

00:46:44.780 --> 00:46:46.579
I want to keep working hard. Because we've all

00:46:46.579 --> 00:46:50.659
had, if you will live a life. you're going to

00:46:50.659 --> 00:46:52.239
have ups and you're going to have downs. And

00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:53.820
like you were going through your thyroid issue,

00:46:53.940 --> 00:46:55.340
there's going to be times where you don't have

00:46:55.340 --> 00:46:57.159
a lot of energy. So when you're feeling good,

00:46:57.280 --> 00:46:59.699
you want to keep going, right? And this guy gets

00:46:59.699 --> 00:47:02.679
to Mr. Olympia, but he has the wisdom to go,

00:47:02.739 --> 00:47:05.179
you know what? I can get that back right now.

00:47:05.179 --> 00:47:09.880
Let's just not do shit and let this mind recover.

00:47:09.940 --> 00:47:14.150
Let this stress. Just go away. Let it slip out

00:47:14.150 --> 00:47:16.829
of my life. That's what I try, man. I kind of

00:47:16.829 --> 00:47:19.010
learned because I always have traveled for camp

00:47:19.010 --> 00:47:22.630
since I was probably three or four and one as

00:47:22.630 --> 00:47:26.030
a pro. Three or four fights in as a pro, I was

00:47:26.030 --> 00:47:28.369
traveling. I was going to Rufus Sport for a long

00:47:28.369 --> 00:47:30.710
time. I stayed there for a long time. Then I

00:47:30.710 --> 00:47:32.489
went to Florida for a long time, and now I'm

00:47:32.489 --> 00:47:38.050
at Chicago. What gym are you on now? Valley Flow

00:47:38.050 --> 00:47:41.190
and War Room with Bilal Muhammad. Bilal, yeah.

00:47:41.769 --> 00:47:44.829
And that's been a great change. Yeah, man, he's

00:47:44.829 --> 00:47:46.949
so good. Both the brother. He got a little brother.

00:47:47.090 --> 00:47:49.690
Oh, really? He's a stud. He's a stud. I believe

00:47:49.690 --> 00:47:51.449
it if he comes out of that family. Bilal Muhammad

00:47:51.449 --> 00:47:53.730
is a beast. He's a stud. The little brother is

00:47:53.730 --> 00:47:57.409
a stud. He helped me for Marvin's fight, I think.

00:47:57.869 --> 00:48:00.170
And then Nacho helped me a little bit for this

00:48:00.170 --> 00:48:02.730
one, this last one. How did you choose going

00:48:02.730 --> 00:48:05.250
to Chicago? I've known Bilal since Rufus Sport.

00:48:06.159 --> 00:48:08.559
And obviously we stayed in contact. You know,

00:48:08.579 --> 00:48:10.659
when we see each other, it's like we never, you

00:48:10.659 --> 00:48:12.860
know, haven't seen each other. And he's always

00:48:12.860 --> 00:48:14.219
told me, like, bro, just come down. Just come

00:48:14.219 --> 00:48:15.320
check it out. You don't have to stay or nothing.

00:48:15.420 --> 00:48:16.860
Like, stay at my house, but you don't have to

00:48:16.860 --> 00:48:18.840
move here or nothing. Just come check it out.

00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:22.380
So I watched his rise and what he does and his

00:48:22.380 --> 00:48:26.980
work ethic and his team. And after the fluffy

00:48:26.980 --> 00:48:29.739
loss, like, I just, I kind of sat back, had some

00:48:29.739 --> 00:48:31.639
conversations with. people that are really close

00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:34.000
to me, and explaining, like, what was going on

00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:36.820
with me, like, mentally and where I felt. And

00:48:36.820 --> 00:48:39.719
Bilal was one of the people I talked to, and

00:48:39.719 --> 00:48:42.780
he's like, I know what the problem is. And everyone

00:48:42.780 --> 00:48:44.619
that I talked to, which wasn't a lot, they all

00:48:44.619 --> 00:48:46.980
said exactly the same thing. So I was like, B,

00:48:47.139 --> 00:48:49.019
can I come train with you? What was the problem?

00:48:49.239 --> 00:48:51.780
Complacency. I know, like, who I can train with

00:48:51.780 --> 00:48:54.639
and not go hard. I'm the coach of my own thing.

00:48:54.679 --> 00:48:57.079
Like, I'm running my whole camp, basically. Oh,

00:48:57.280 --> 00:48:59.719
you were running your whole camp? Basically.

00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:01.860
You go to Wagner's for jiu -jitsu? Yeah, I'd

00:49:01.860 --> 00:49:04.019
go to Wagner's for jiu -jitsu. I'd be at Kill

00:49:04.019 --> 00:49:05.619
Cliff, but I'd be in the corner doing my thing

00:49:05.619 --> 00:49:07.300
because we had the Russian coach over here teaching

00:49:07.300 --> 00:49:10.400
some crazy stuff that don't make no sense. What

00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:12.320
do you mean? They'd be teaching some stuff off

00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:14.840
the wall that would never work. Really? Yeah,

00:49:14.980 --> 00:49:17.800
but the Russian kids that were in the classes,

00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:23.800
they got young guys like Ansar, Nikita, Bysangor.

00:49:23.940 --> 00:49:26.119
He wasn't even there. Those guys, they were like...

00:49:26.510 --> 00:49:28.269
come over here, let's do something else. They

00:49:28.269 --> 00:49:31.010
have real MMA knowledge because they fight and

00:49:31.010 --> 00:49:32.929
they've learned from all the guys from where

00:49:32.929 --> 00:49:36.030
they're from. So who are these Russian coaches

00:49:36.030 --> 00:49:36.929
that are teaching wild shit? There was just one,

00:49:37.190 --> 00:49:40.610
man. You don't have to say his name. Yeah, he's

00:49:40.610 --> 00:49:43.550
not there no more. But he was a legit coach?

00:49:44.329 --> 00:49:47.230
He never fought. Okay, did he fight in anything?

00:49:47.429 --> 00:49:49.889
Never. Kickboxing? Nope. Nothing? I don't know

00:49:49.889 --> 00:49:51.570
if he even competed in wrestling, to be honest

00:49:51.570 --> 00:49:55.010
with you, ever. I don't know. Okay, does he spar

00:49:55.010 --> 00:49:58.340
with people? Nope. How old is he? I would say

00:49:58.340 --> 00:50:00.280
in his 30s, I would say. What? Really? I would

00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:02.780
say, yeah, I would guess. And he's a coach? But

00:50:02.780 --> 00:50:06.099
he's coaching unorthodox stuff? Like what kind

00:50:06.099 --> 00:50:07.639
of stuff? Like stuff against the wall, but it

00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:09.539
was like, for instance, I don't remember what

00:50:09.539 --> 00:50:11.260
it was. It was against the wall. I was going

00:50:11.260 --> 00:50:15.739
with my friend AJ, Aaron Jeffries, and it was

00:50:15.739 --> 00:50:18.119
some takedown off the wall, right? AJ couldn't

00:50:18.119 --> 00:50:19.900
get it. I was like, bro, this, and I don't say

00:50:19.900 --> 00:50:21.219
it out loud because I don't want no problems,

00:50:21.320 --> 00:50:22.860
you know? Right. I'm going to just go with the

00:50:22.860 --> 00:50:25.699
flow and mind my business. I've been doing it

00:50:25.699 --> 00:50:27.639
long enough to where it's like you realize this

00:50:27.639 --> 00:50:29.219
move's probably not going to work for my body

00:50:29.219 --> 00:50:32.360
type or my game, but I'll try it. And so anyway,

00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:33.900
he was doing it, and AJ's like, bro, I don't

00:50:33.900 --> 00:50:34.980
get it. I was like, yeah, because this shit ain't

00:50:34.980 --> 00:50:37.059
going to work, bro. He was like, what? I was

00:50:37.059 --> 00:50:38.380
like, it's not going to work. I'm telling you.

00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:42.340
So he calls the coach over, and he was like,

00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:45.119
how can you do? The guy looks at me. He goes,

00:50:45.260 --> 00:50:47.659
he's telling him. Then he looks at me and goes,

00:50:47.719 --> 00:50:52.360
stop it. Me? He's like, yeah. I was like, bet.

00:50:53.239 --> 00:50:55.280
He tries to do it. I literally grab his wrist,

00:50:55.400 --> 00:50:58.800
grab his head, and throw him. Boom. Is he your

00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:01.519
size? He's bigger than me. Oh, wow. Throw him.

00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:03.699
And so it didn't work? No. He's like, let me

00:51:03.699 --> 00:51:05.920
try one more time. Let's go full speed. I said,

00:51:05.960 --> 00:51:08.239
shit, that was full speed. Do the exact same

00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:10.900
thing, but do it the other way now. Boom. Throw

00:51:10.900 --> 00:51:15.280
him again. AJ looks at me. He says, the coach

00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:17.800
says something. I was like, then I get agitated,

00:51:17.900 --> 00:51:19.619
right? Then I'm like, man, that's because this

00:51:19.619 --> 00:51:21.179
shit ain't going to work. I told y 'all. Y 'all

00:51:21.179 --> 00:51:23.429
don't listen to me. I just walked off. Oh, that's

00:51:23.429 --> 00:51:25.369
not good vibes. You know? So I just walk off.

00:51:25.570 --> 00:51:27.070
And I was like, I ain't taking this damn class

00:51:27.070 --> 00:51:28.449
no more. So how did this guy become a coach there?

00:51:28.610 --> 00:51:32.739
Sticking around and translating. Oh, no. Oh,

00:51:32.739 --> 00:51:34.920
there's those weird guys like that. I'm not saying

00:51:34.920 --> 00:51:36.699
that this guy's like that, but there are some

00:51:36.699 --> 00:51:40.159
weird guys like that become parasitic. They're

00:51:40.159 --> 00:51:42.260
like friends with a guy who's a really good fighter,

00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:44.159
and then they're always there, and then they

00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:46.179
want to be a part of the team somehow, and then

00:51:46.179 --> 00:51:47.800
they start contributing. Or they start maybe

00:51:47.800 --> 00:51:49.739
running conditioning drills or something. You're

00:51:49.739 --> 00:51:51.980
like, why is this guy running conditioning drills?

00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:54.599
That's exactly how it went. That's the worst.

00:51:54.800 --> 00:51:56.900
Exactly how it went. Literally. There's weird

00:51:56.900 --> 00:52:00.559
parasitic relationships in any elite like thing,

00:52:00.659 --> 00:52:03.099
whether it's sports. I see it in comedy. There's

00:52:03.099 --> 00:52:05.079
some comedians that have weird parasitic friends

00:52:05.079 --> 00:52:07.679
that wind up, you know, becoming a producer on

00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:09.599
their thing. And there's just some guy who just,

00:52:09.599 --> 00:52:12.320
just like, like a lamprey clinging to the bottom

00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:14.760
of a shark. It got weird for a little while,

00:52:14.880 --> 00:52:17.079
especially at the end. It did. Like when I was

00:52:17.079 --> 00:52:20.400
still there with that whole thing, because even

00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:22.099
some of the other coaches started to catch on

00:52:22.099 --> 00:52:24.300
because at Kill Cliff, Sometimes we'd have a

00:52:24.300 --> 00:52:26.679
lot of guys fighting all over the place, so coaches

00:52:26.679 --> 00:52:29.659
would be gone, and you'd try to figure that situation

00:52:29.659 --> 00:52:33.559
out, so he'd step in and try to help. It just

00:52:33.559 --> 00:52:36.239
got weird. But again, I'm not the kind of person

00:52:36.239 --> 00:52:38.500
to really cause a conflict. I'd rather just,

00:52:38.579 --> 00:52:41.639
for instance, if you're causing some type of

00:52:41.639 --> 00:52:43.539
energy with me, I'm going to just move over here

00:52:43.539 --> 00:52:46.199
and just stay out your way. That's smart. The

00:52:46.199 --> 00:52:48.019
world needs more people like you. Well, my younger

00:52:48.019 --> 00:52:51.159
self would have, I want a conflict. I'm going

00:52:51.159 --> 00:52:53.840
to show you. Right, of course. But as you got

00:52:53.840 --> 00:52:56.500
wiser. Yeah. And you realize like, what's the,

00:52:56.579 --> 00:53:00.119
also, you're an elite professional mixed martial

00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:02.360
arts fighter. You ain't got shit to prove to

00:53:02.360 --> 00:53:04.059
somebody. That's kind of how I feel now. I see

00:53:04.059 --> 00:53:06.260
some of these younger kids. I see some of these

00:53:06.260 --> 00:53:08.380
younger kids now and I'm just like, I'm going

00:53:08.380 --> 00:53:10.099
to just stay over here. It gets people hurt.

00:53:10.219 --> 00:53:12.260
It ruins your life. And that's what it can be

00:53:12.260 --> 00:53:14.599
for me. I don't want that to happen because like.

00:53:15.460 --> 00:53:17.980
i have kids i have a wife i have a good life

00:53:17.980 --> 00:53:20.599
i live very nice like as far as like my lifestyle

00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:22.739
like i'm here with you right now you know also

00:53:22.739 --> 00:53:26.800
it's fucking pointless I've seen bar fights where,

00:53:26.940 --> 00:53:29.039
you know, there's young guys and they just, like,

00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:31.039
see an opportunity. They want to prove something.

00:53:31.099 --> 00:53:32.940
And I'm like, I just want to tell them, like,

00:53:32.980 --> 00:53:35.019
hey, man, one day you're going to be 35. You're

00:53:35.019 --> 00:53:36.780
going to be looking back on this day. And maybe

00:53:36.780 --> 00:53:38.980
it's the day you got stabbed. Maybe it's the

00:53:38.980 --> 00:53:41.239
day you got shot. You know, maybe it's the day

00:53:41.239 --> 00:53:42.980
you got knocked the fuck out and your head bounced

00:53:42.980 --> 00:53:44.860
off the concrete and you'll never be the same

00:53:44.860 --> 00:53:47.260
person again. Yeah, exactly what you said. It's

00:53:47.260 --> 00:53:49.239
just not worth it. You know Kevin James, the

00:53:49.239 --> 00:53:51.559
Canadian? Yeah, he used to come to the gym. Oh,

00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:53.559
that's awesome. He trains a lot. Good friend

00:53:53.559 --> 00:53:56.110
of mine. Been friends of mine for 30 years. When

00:53:56.110 --> 00:53:59.050
I first met him, he told me a story of when he

00:53:59.050 --> 00:54:01.789
was bouncing. When he was bouncing in a bar in

00:54:01.789 --> 00:54:03.989
Long Island, one of his friends there was a bouncer,

00:54:04.130 --> 00:54:06.989
and some drunk kid was starting shit, and he

00:54:06.989 --> 00:54:09.210
knocked this kid out, and the kid fell down and

00:54:09.210 --> 00:54:11.329
hit his head and died. And he wound up doing

00:54:11.329 --> 00:54:14.530
time. He went to jail for manslaughter. One of

00:54:14.530 --> 00:54:16.230
my best friends got stabbed in the face in New

00:54:16.230 --> 00:54:18.869
Orleans because he didn't even know he was talking

00:54:18.869 --> 00:54:20.989
to this dude's chick, and he didn't know. Right.

00:54:21.389 --> 00:54:23.329
He didn't know. She didn't say nothing. She came

00:54:23.329 --> 00:54:25.170
up to him. He was just at the bar. Oh, Jesus

00:54:25.170 --> 00:54:26.710
Christ. Dude came and stabbed him in the face,

00:54:26.750 --> 00:54:29.730
broke his jaw, stabbed him and ran. He has a

00:54:29.730 --> 00:54:33.070
nice scar. He's older now, so it kind of went

00:54:33.070 --> 00:54:36.110
away through his beard, but wired his jaw shut.

00:54:36.250 --> 00:54:40.409
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And someone trying to stab you in the face is

00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:19.380
easily trying to stab you in the neck. Exactly.

00:55:19.579 --> 00:55:21.800
Yeah, you just got lucky. You just got lucky

00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:24.000
to hit that jaw and not your fucking carotid

00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:26.519
artery. Oh, my God. I watched a video of these

00:55:26.519 --> 00:55:29.159
guys in London, and they're yelling at each other

00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:31.059
and squaring off each other back and forth and

00:55:31.059 --> 00:55:32.920
back and forth, and then finally they get out

00:55:32.920 --> 00:55:34.460
of it, and one guy just pulls out a fucking knife

00:55:34.460 --> 00:55:36.320
and slices this dude's neck, and this dude is

00:55:36.320 --> 00:55:39.809
just... squirting out of his neck, and he tries

00:55:39.809 --> 00:55:41.989
to fight for a second, then he just gets woozy,

00:55:42.090 --> 00:55:46.210
and he's just squirting as he goes down. I don't

00:55:46.210 --> 00:55:48.349
know what happened. I'm assuming he died, because

00:55:48.349 --> 00:55:49.969
I'm looking at the amount of blood loss. If someone

00:55:49.969 --> 00:55:52.369
didn't jump on that and compress it, and even

00:55:52.369 --> 00:55:54.530
if you did, the carotid artery is like such a

00:55:54.530 --> 00:55:56.769
significant amount of blood that's going through

00:55:56.769 --> 00:55:59.530
there, depending on, I guess, the damage. Dude,

00:55:59.530 --> 00:56:01.550
I think I had like... So stupid. I've always

00:56:01.550 --> 00:56:04.449
heard the story. Obviously, you know how stories

00:56:04.449 --> 00:56:06.559
are, but... I've heard from a couple different

00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:08.539
people. I have like a great uncle somewhere along

00:56:08.539 --> 00:56:10.480
the line. He passed away before I was alive.

00:56:10.760 --> 00:56:13.340
He was in a bar. I know right where the place

00:56:13.340 --> 00:56:16.500
is. The building's still there to this day. He

00:56:16.500 --> 00:56:18.000
was in the bar. He was sitting down having some

00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:20.619
drinks with a friend. I don't know the relationship

00:56:20.619 --> 00:56:22.420
between him and the guy. The guy walked up behind

00:56:22.420 --> 00:56:26.139
him, slit his throat. Oh, God. He missed the

00:56:26.139 --> 00:56:28.739
carotid arteries, both of them, by like not even

00:56:28.739 --> 00:56:30.659
a quarter of an inch. Like not even an eighth

00:56:30.659 --> 00:56:32.440
of an inch. He missed both of them. So it was

00:56:32.440 --> 00:56:35.869
just here. Oh, shit. He chased the guy out. Almost

00:56:35.869 --> 00:56:38.150
beat him to death and then almost died because

00:56:38.150 --> 00:56:41.550
he couldn't breathe like oh But almost beat the

00:56:41.550 --> 00:56:44.489
guy to death almost almost died. So two people

00:56:44.489 --> 00:56:47.630
almost died nightclubs are so bad I've never

00:56:47.630 --> 00:56:49.690
been a club. I hate, like, a group of people,

00:56:49.730 --> 00:56:51.989
I hate it. I get very offsetting. There's too

00:56:51.989 --> 00:56:53.610
many people on coke. There's too many people

00:56:53.610 --> 00:56:55.469
that are stupid. There's too many people that

00:56:55.469 --> 00:56:58.750
want to, like, bro, I fucking see red. And, you

00:56:58.750 --> 00:57:00.869
know, there's too many dummies. When I was a

00:57:00.869 --> 00:57:02.769
kid, when I was 21 years old, I was at a bar,

00:57:02.769 --> 00:57:04.769
and I watched this guy hit a guy in the face

00:57:04.769 --> 00:57:08.650
with a Heineken bottle. Out of nowhere, over

00:57:08.650 --> 00:57:11.969
nothing. I was standing by the bar. And there's

00:57:11.969 --> 00:57:13.710
just two guys. They were as close as Jamie is

00:57:13.710 --> 00:57:16.429
to me. And they were talking to each other like

00:57:16.429 --> 00:57:19.210
loud voices, but nothing crazy, like no physical

00:57:19.210 --> 00:57:21.690
shit. And this guy just takes a Heineken bottle

00:57:21.690 --> 00:57:24.489
off the ball and smashes it on his face. And

00:57:24.489 --> 00:57:26.969
there was blood everywhere. This guy was just

00:57:26.969 --> 00:57:29.630
just leaking all over his face. I was like, the

00:57:29.630 --> 00:57:32.130
guy's face is destroyed for the rest of his life

00:57:32.130 --> 00:57:36.199
over. Literally nothing. Literally nothing. It's

00:57:36.199 --> 00:57:38.860
crazy, man. There's too many people out there

00:57:38.860 --> 00:57:42.019
that are fucking stupid, man. And you get sucked

00:57:42.019 --> 00:57:44.320
into their gravity. You know, you're like the

00:57:44.320 --> 00:57:47.119
guys that, like, if they know who you are, they'll

00:57:47.119 --> 00:57:49.179
be like, oh, you can fight? I can shoot. I'm

00:57:49.179 --> 00:57:51.460
like... All right, so can I. Congratulations,

00:57:51.800 --> 00:57:53.380
man. Let's not fight each other or shoot each

00:57:53.380 --> 00:57:56.219
other. Hi, my name is Brendan. That's my thing

00:57:56.219 --> 00:57:57.559
now. I'm like, bro, I don't want to fight or

00:57:57.559 --> 00:57:59.320
shoot. You just leave me alone and leave my family

00:57:59.320 --> 00:58:01.780
alone. We're good, bro. I don't want no problems

00:58:01.780 --> 00:58:03.719
with nobody. Well, the problem is there's too

00:58:03.719 --> 00:58:05.760
many people out there that haven't proven themselves.

00:58:06.019 --> 00:58:08.139
They don't have a thing in their life that gives

00:58:08.139 --> 00:58:11.159
them a challenge all the time where they're proving

00:58:11.159 --> 00:58:13.300
themselves. So every time they go out, they're

00:58:13.300 --> 00:58:15.360
trying to prove themselves. Every time they go

00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:17.000
out, they're trying to puff their chest out and

00:58:17.000 --> 00:58:21.320
be Billy Badass. It's so dangerous. And here's

00:58:21.320 --> 00:58:23.639
where you don't see that. Train fighters. Dude,

00:58:23.679 --> 00:58:25.480
I used to bounce at a little, like something

00:58:25.480 --> 00:58:29.400
small. And I needed the money, obviously. And

00:58:29.400 --> 00:58:31.840
I will never forget, man. This little dude, he

00:58:31.840 --> 00:58:36.940
had to be like this tall, short and fat. I don't

00:58:36.940 --> 00:58:39.420
know how tipsy he was. I don't know, right? But

00:58:39.420 --> 00:58:41.079
all the guys know that I was fighting. I was

00:58:41.079 --> 00:58:46.719
LFA at the time. And they always told me, hey,

00:58:46.840 --> 00:58:48.550
man. Don't worry about hitting nobody. If someone

00:58:48.550 --> 00:58:52.190
swings at you, I got you. Or just hit them and

00:58:52.190 --> 00:58:54.530
say, I did it. And I was like, I'm good, bro.

00:58:54.630 --> 00:58:55.829
I'm good. I just smile. So it doesn't get you

00:58:55.829 --> 00:58:57.590
in trouble? Yeah, they were super cool, right?

00:58:57.949 --> 00:58:59.289
Who knows if that would have really been how

00:58:59.289 --> 00:59:01.010
it went. I don't know, you know, but anyway.

00:59:01.190 --> 00:59:02.269
If you really fucked somebody up and there was

00:59:02.269 --> 00:59:03.929
a lawsuit, I guarantee you they would have dropped

00:59:03.929 --> 00:59:06.090
your name. Dude, there was a bartender there.

00:59:06.250 --> 00:59:08.610
He freaking, I watched it with my own two eyes

00:59:08.610 --> 00:59:10.809
in the front. This dude and him got into it.

00:59:10.809 --> 00:59:12.710
The guy slipped because he pushed him and he

00:59:12.710 --> 00:59:15.280
slipped. It was a little wet. Dude, he soccer

00:59:15.280 --> 00:59:19.440
kicked him so hard in the face. So hard. I was

00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:22.880
like, he got arrested for that. Oh, God. But

00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:25.679
that little kid, he swung at me. And I don't

00:59:25.679 --> 00:59:27.500
even know if he hit me or hit my hand. He hit

00:59:27.500 --> 00:59:30.739
something, right? And I'm laughing. I'm laughing.

00:59:30.780 --> 00:59:33.360
I'm like, I couldn't believe it. He had that

00:59:33.360 --> 00:59:36.480
cocaine courage, son. He must have. I'm laughing.

00:59:36.519 --> 00:59:38.860
I'm literally doing this because I was going

00:59:38.860 --> 00:59:41.519
to stick him with the right. He was so little.

00:59:42.159 --> 00:59:44.460
That's so crazy. No way. And how I saw the punch

00:59:44.460 --> 00:59:46.960
come, I was like, don't do it. There are some

00:59:46.960 --> 00:59:49.260
people out there that have no idea how to fight,

00:59:49.300 --> 00:59:51.639
and yet they still try to fight. They have no

00:59:51.639 --> 00:59:54.539
weapon. They don't have a good punch. They don't

00:59:54.539 --> 00:59:55.940
have a background in wrestling. They don't have

00:59:55.940 --> 00:59:58.920
a damn thing. And yet they'll still decide they

00:59:58.920 --> 01:00:01.840
want to fight someone and just hope in today's

01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:03.940
day and age. How can you hope that people don't

01:00:03.940 --> 01:00:06.739
know how to fight? I think if you run into 10

01:00:06.739 --> 01:00:09.820
guys, one of them can fight today. It's probably

01:00:09.820 --> 01:00:13.079
the most in human history in terms other than

01:00:13.079 --> 01:00:16.219
like Spartan days, most in human history. And

01:00:16.219 --> 01:00:17.940
even back then, how good was their technique?

01:00:18.199 --> 01:00:19.800
Exactly. You know what I'm saying? It's crazy.

01:00:19.960 --> 01:00:21.639
They probably didn't even know about calf kicks.

01:00:24.079 --> 01:00:27.260
It's like my dad grew up boxing, right? So my

01:00:27.260 --> 01:00:29.159
dad, he would always tell me like growing up,

01:00:29.159 --> 01:00:30.780
he was a little bitch. He was like, I used to

01:00:30.780 --> 01:00:33.989
get my ass kicked until he had. He had to move

01:00:33.989 --> 01:00:36.630
in with his grandfather. His grandfather, World

01:00:36.630 --> 01:00:42.329
War II vet, shot twice, grew up boxing. Probably

01:00:42.329 --> 01:00:44.929
the most rugged man that you'll ever meet. I

01:00:44.929 --> 01:00:47.530
met him once before he passed away. His voice

01:00:47.530 --> 01:00:49.670
was so gruff, like he's a man's man, you know,

01:00:49.710 --> 01:00:51.650
like one of those. Doesn't say nothing, really.

01:00:52.309 --> 01:00:57.130
And so he raised my dad. And he used to step

01:00:57.130 --> 01:00:59.800
outside. like kind of mess with him, box. Like

01:00:59.800 --> 01:01:01.659
he put him in boxing, but he knocked my dad out

01:01:01.659 --> 01:01:03.019
one time. And my dad's like, you know, well,

01:01:03.079 --> 01:01:05.239
man, come on, let's test it. Stepped on his foot

01:01:05.239 --> 01:01:09.280
and slept him. And, uh, but anyway, so like when

01:01:09.280 --> 01:01:10.360
he was in high school, that's a fucked up thing

01:01:10.360 --> 01:01:12.940
to do to your kid. Dude, he said, my dad said

01:01:12.940 --> 01:01:14.659
he didn't care about nothing. My dad said he

01:01:14.659 --> 01:01:17.079
literally watched his smash his finger flat with

01:01:17.079 --> 01:01:19.199
a hammer. The nerves flew out. Like they were

01:01:19.199 --> 01:01:21.280
still attached. They flew out. Oh my God. Hit

01:01:21.280 --> 01:01:23.980
his head on, uh, throwing, uh, bales of hay in

01:01:23.980 --> 01:01:26.619
the loft. Smoked his head on a railroad spike

01:01:26.619 --> 01:01:30.329
that was in the wood. Cracked his skull. He didn't

01:01:30.329 --> 01:01:31.929
know till two days later. They said if he would

01:01:31.929 --> 01:01:34.070
have waited a couple like 12 more hours He would

01:01:34.070 --> 01:01:36.050
have been dead cuz all the swelling on his brain

01:01:36.050 --> 01:01:38.570
She had to cut his brain his skull off to let

01:01:38.570 --> 01:01:41.869
the fluid come out Oh crazy old just stubborn

01:01:41.869 --> 01:01:44.190
old man, you know That's crazy to do to your

01:01:44.190 --> 01:01:46.849
grandson, though, sleeping like that. Dude, my

01:01:46.849 --> 01:01:50.670
dad said we were messing around. He's like, all

01:01:50.670 --> 01:01:52.389
right, quit messing with me. He always told him

01:01:52.389 --> 01:01:54.710
that. Leave me alone. He kept on, kept on. He

01:01:54.710 --> 01:01:57.030
stepped on his foot, and my dad said, quit stepping.

01:01:57.210 --> 01:01:59.250
He said that's all he remembers. Oh, wow. Old

01:01:59.250 --> 01:02:01.150
school trick. Slept in. My dad said when he woke

01:02:01.150 --> 01:02:03.869
up, he had the worst migraine, and he was on

01:02:03.869 --> 01:02:06.250
the porch drinking a thing, I think tea. And

01:02:06.250 --> 01:02:08.710
he was like, hey, get your ass up and go clean

01:02:08.710 --> 01:02:12.909
the dog pen. Get to work. Those dudes who came

01:02:12.909 --> 01:02:14.949
up through World War II, that's a different kind

01:02:14.949 --> 01:02:16.849
of human being. Yeah, you know, so it's like,

01:02:17.449 --> 01:02:21.130
that's just kind of like how my dad was. So,

01:02:21.170 --> 01:02:23.550
like, when he got to high school, like, he wasn't

01:02:23.550 --> 01:02:25.969
the kind to go look for trouble, but he was the

01:02:25.969 --> 01:02:28.050
kind of person, like, my dad told me as well,

01:02:28.090 --> 01:02:29.449
like, you stick up for the people that can't

01:02:29.449 --> 01:02:31.989
stick up for themselves. Yeah. Or if someone

01:02:31.989 --> 01:02:34.730
fucks with you, like, do what you got to do.

01:02:34.750 --> 01:02:36.710
Just don't. Like nowadays, he's like, don't put

01:02:36.710 --> 01:02:38.630
your hands, like don't throw a punch at them

01:02:38.630 --> 01:02:40.210
first unless they get an arm breach. Then you

01:02:40.210 --> 01:02:41.769
throw a punch first. Don't ever let someone hit

01:02:41.769 --> 01:02:42.809
you. Well, kind of like you too. You could just

01:02:42.809 --> 01:02:45.030
choke somebody. Yeah, now, but it's like. You

01:02:45.030 --> 01:02:45.650
really have to hurt them. You could just put

01:02:45.650 --> 01:02:47.969
them to sleep. And that's more, I'm a good hugger.

01:02:48.030 --> 01:02:51.210
So it's like, I prefer that. But my dad's like

01:02:51.210 --> 01:02:55.329
mean, man. Like he's different. Like he was in

01:02:55.329 --> 01:02:57.070
the military and he boxed when he was overseas

01:02:57.070 --> 01:02:59.449
for like 75 bucks because he'd send all his money

01:02:59.449 --> 01:03:02.590
home to us. So it's like, like. I don't know,

01:03:02.670 --> 01:03:03.929
like, people don't know. Different kinds of human

01:03:03.929 --> 01:03:06.469
beings, man. I come from something, like, that's

01:03:06.469 --> 01:03:08.449
what I feel, like, when I fight. Like, I'm different.

01:03:08.550 --> 01:03:12.349
Like, I honestly, I was telling myself that in

01:03:12.349 --> 01:03:13.849
the Marvin fight in between rounds, like, going

01:03:13.849 --> 01:03:15.969
into the third. Because my dad and my brother

01:03:15.969 --> 01:03:17.690
were both there in attendance for the first time.

01:03:17.750 --> 01:03:19.449
Like, my brother hadn't been in any of my fights

01:03:19.449 --> 01:03:21.769
since probably my second pro fight because of

01:03:21.769 --> 01:03:25.030
his injury. And so, like, I watched my buddy

01:03:25.030 --> 01:03:28.230
Costello fight for the PFL belt. And he said

01:03:28.230 --> 01:03:30.210
after the fight, like, he said word for word,

01:03:30.230 --> 01:03:33.380
he's like, I was. I was raised by a warrior.

01:03:33.699 --> 01:03:36.639
He raised two warriors. I'm a fucking warrior.

01:03:37.059 --> 01:03:38.739
And he's like, that's, that's what I told myself.

01:03:38.840 --> 01:03:40.980
And so like that stuck in my head till the fight,

01:03:41.039 --> 01:03:43.360
like till my fight. So like in the third round,

01:03:43.400 --> 01:03:45.659
like everyone was like, Oh, he falls off in the

01:03:45.659 --> 01:03:47.840
third. And that was something like my corner

01:03:47.840 --> 01:03:49.239
was cause that was my first time in Chicago.

01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:51.659
So like Horacio looked at me in between rounds

01:03:51.659 --> 01:03:54.219
and he was like, Hey, let's go. Like, let's,

01:03:54.219 --> 01:03:56.519
let's restart it. He said something else. And

01:03:56.519 --> 01:03:58.480
I was like, I'm good. Just get out of the way.

01:03:59.530 --> 01:04:01.469
Like, you know, that's it's kind of one of those

01:04:01.469 --> 01:04:03.530
moments where it's like you're living in the

01:04:03.530 --> 01:04:05.909
moment. But I don't know. Well, I think just

01:04:05.909 --> 01:04:09.449
having a coach is really important. It's really

01:04:09.449 --> 01:04:11.610
important, especially having an elite coach,

01:04:11.809 --> 01:04:14.030
having a coach that's really on top of it. You

01:04:14.030 --> 01:04:17.590
know, yeah, I guess a safe side. You know, Faraz

01:04:17.590 --> 01:04:20.289
Ahabi, Duke Rufus, having someone who's like.

01:04:21.179 --> 01:04:24.539
really on it, really watching you, really knows

01:04:24.539 --> 01:04:26.579
what you need, really knows when you need to

01:04:26.579 --> 01:04:29.199
back off. Because the fact that you did so well

01:04:29.199 --> 01:04:31.760
and that you were coaching yourself is kind of

01:04:31.760 --> 01:04:34.460
fucking crazy. Well, when I say... Well, you

01:04:34.460 --> 01:04:36.280
had coaches. Yeah, exactly. But you didn't have

01:04:36.280 --> 01:04:39.340
a main coach. Yes, sir. Exactly. That's the difference.

01:04:39.420 --> 01:04:41.800
So for people that don't know, okay, if you listen

01:04:41.800 --> 01:04:43.840
to this and you're just interested in MMA, generally

01:04:43.840 --> 01:04:46.320
there's a striking coach. Usually they have some

01:04:46.320 --> 01:04:48.079
sort of a Muay Thai or kickboxing background.

01:04:48.340 --> 01:04:51.039
You generally have wrestling coaches. You generally

01:04:51.039 --> 01:04:54.079
have jiu -jitsu coaches. And if you're a really

01:04:54.079 --> 01:04:56.659
good gym, you got one guy who knows how to put

01:04:56.659 --> 01:04:59.579
it all together. Those are the maestros. Those

01:04:59.579 --> 01:05:02.579
are the guys who are like conducting the entire

01:05:02.579 --> 01:05:06.039
orchestra. And they know you. And if a good guy

01:05:06.039 --> 01:05:08.380
knowing his fighter is like an artist, and I

01:05:08.380 --> 01:05:10.400
think you can only have a certain amount of people

01:05:10.400 --> 01:05:12.360
that you're working really closely with because

01:05:12.360 --> 01:05:15.269
it's a very involved and intensive gym. job like

01:05:15.269 --> 01:05:17.909
eric nixick like that's a guy he gets down into

01:05:17.909 --> 01:05:19.670
the nitty -gritty of every fucking thing you

01:05:19.670 --> 01:05:22.130
guys are he's watching you he knows what you

01:05:22.130 --> 01:05:24.230
need he knows what you don't need you know it's

01:05:24.230 --> 01:05:26.190
like it's also you got a guy who could just say

01:05:26.639 --> 01:05:28.360
Push it off to him. He knows what to do. He's

01:05:28.360 --> 01:05:30.440
going to give you game plans in between rounds.

01:05:30.699 --> 01:05:32.840
Okay, this is working, but we need more of this.

01:05:33.019 --> 01:05:35.519
He does this all the time. The reason why he's

01:05:35.519 --> 01:05:37.079
getting away with it is because of that. Get

01:05:37.079 --> 01:05:39.579
it in your head. Go out there. When I hear guys

01:05:39.579 --> 01:05:41.480
and the guys losing and they get no technical

01:05:41.480 --> 01:05:44.340
advice and they start getting, go fuck him up.

01:05:44.440 --> 01:05:45.880
You got to fuck him up. You got to put hands

01:05:45.880 --> 01:05:48.019
on him. And I'm like, oh my God, tell him what

01:05:48.019 --> 01:05:51.469
to do. He knows how to fight. Get on top. Get

01:05:51.469 --> 01:05:54.369
on top. Tell them what to do. Stand up. And I

01:05:54.369 --> 01:05:56.469
get it. You only have a minute. I get it. And

01:05:56.469 --> 01:05:58.269
I get it. Everybody's panicking if things are

01:05:58.269 --> 01:06:01.110
going wrong. I get it. But my God. It's been

01:06:01.110 --> 01:06:02.989
different. Having a good coach. Having like a

01:06:02.989 --> 01:06:05.190
farasa hobby type dude in your corner who just

01:06:05.190 --> 01:06:08.650
really understands what you need to do. So fucking

01:06:08.650 --> 01:06:12.289
important. It's been one of the best changes

01:06:12.289 --> 01:06:14.449
that I have because I ain't going to lie. I'm

01:06:14.449 --> 01:06:17.329
not the easiest person to deal with. I like to

01:06:17.329 --> 01:06:19.869
be very in control of things that I can control.

01:06:20.559 --> 01:06:23.880
and i know myself like i i've done a lot i've

01:06:23.880 --> 01:06:26.820
been around a lot so i like i know like hey man

01:06:26.820 --> 01:06:29.300
like i'm feeling it today like my body's kind

01:06:29.300 --> 01:06:32.380
of done no no no no go go go 100 you know do

01:06:32.380 --> 01:06:34.280
you monitor all your shit do you monitor your

01:06:34.280 --> 01:06:37.420
resting heart rate uh yeah now Usually I have

01:06:37.420 --> 01:06:39.199
my whoop on because I used to have the aura,

01:06:39.320 --> 01:06:42.980
but I couldn't train with it. Right. But I just

01:06:42.980 --> 01:06:45.159
took it off because I was training jujitsu. Aura's

01:06:45.159 --> 01:06:46.519
a little bit of a problem when you lift weights

01:06:46.519 --> 01:06:49.579
too. Exactly. I pinch my finger so bad. Well,

01:06:49.619 --> 01:06:52.219
have you ever seen sheathing injuries? You ever

01:06:52.219 --> 01:06:54.119
seen those? Uh -uh. What is it, where it rips

01:06:54.119 --> 01:06:55.940
the skin of your finger off? The first time I

01:06:55.940 --> 01:06:57.940
ever saw one, I never saw it in person, but the

01:06:57.940 --> 01:07:00.159
first time I ever saw one, it was somebody who

01:07:00.159 --> 01:07:03.119
did jujitsu. And they did jujitsu with a ring

01:07:03.119 --> 01:07:06.320
on, like a wedding ring, and just fucking mangled

01:07:06.320 --> 01:07:08.860
their finger. It's called sheathing because it

01:07:08.860 --> 01:07:11.199
pulls all your skin off the bone like a sheath

01:07:11.199 --> 01:07:11.980
you would stick a knife in. Oh, I've seen that.

01:07:12.059 --> 01:07:12.960
Yeah, I didn't know that's what it was called.

01:07:13.000 --> 01:07:14.360
That's what it's called. It's like a sheathing.

01:07:14.579 --> 01:07:16.679
Here's some of these injuries. I saw it like

01:07:16.679 --> 01:07:20.920
that. Bro, look at that. Dude. Ew. The first

01:07:20.920 --> 01:07:22.480
time I ever seen it was someone in a gi. Ew.

01:07:22.480 --> 01:07:25.739
A gi. It got caught in the gi. Oh, my God. Really?

01:07:25.820 --> 01:07:27.420
Like you said, took the skin off. Yeah, he had

01:07:27.420 --> 01:07:29.760
the right wing, and I think he made the grip

01:07:29.760 --> 01:07:33.619
on the sleeve. And when the guy pulled, it caught

01:07:33.619 --> 01:07:36.460
that fat, that little muscle or whatever right

01:07:36.460 --> 01:07:38.860
there. And ripped his fucking skin off his finger?

01:07:39.039 --> 01:07:40.639
The whole skin. I've never seen that. Dude, it

01:07:40.639 --> 01:07:42.920
was so nasty. Like you said, I was like, oh,

01:07:42.940 --> 01:07:46.519
my God. So now I am 100 % sure that I don't wear

01:07:46.519 --> 01:07:48.340
my wedding ring. That's why it's tattooed on

01:07:48.340 --> 01:07:50.219
my finger because when I go to camp, I don't

01:07:50.219 --> 01:07:51.920
wear a wedding ring. She knows. When I get to

01:07:51.920 --> 01:07:54.360
camp, I take it off. I put it in my truck. When

01:07:54.360 --> 01:07:56.119
camp is over and I get home from the fight, I

01:07:56.119 --> 01:07:58.280
put it back on. I don't have mine on now because

01:07:58.280 --> 01:07:59.800
I just came from the gym, but I used to have

01:07:59.800 --> 01:08:03.139
a silicone one. Well, not used to. I have a silicone

01:08:03.139 --> 01:08:06.099
one that I use all the time that I can work out

01:08:06.099 --> 01:08:07.840
with it. I can do anything with it. Oh, interesting.

01:08:08.039 --> 01:08:10.079
Yeah. What is it? that company ridge is that

01:08:10.079 --> 01:08:13.460
what it is no that's the wallet company is that

01:08:13.460 --> 01:08:15.099
what it is yeah they're making all kind of stuff

01:08:15.099 --> 01:08:16.479
but there's luggage and everything it's a good

01:08:16.479 --> 01:08:19.680
one it's there's there's um it looks like an

01:08:19.680 --> 01:08:22.699
aura ring too but it's it's made out of silicone

01:08:22.699 --> 01:08:24.359
so even if you catch it on something it's no

01:08:24.359 --> 01:08:27.560
big deal but even that i forget which which coach

01:08:27.560 --> 01:08:30.710
it was I forget which coach. It's like an elite

01:08:30.710 --> 01:08:32.550
jiu -jitsu coach. He goes, I refuse to let a

01:08:32.550 --> 01:08:34.170
guy even train with that. He goes, I've seen

01:08:34.170 --> 01:08:36.170
too many injuries. Dang. Too many injuries where

01:08:36.170 --> 01:08:38.109
your finger just gets mangled by having that

01:08:38.109 --> 01:08:39.890
fucking stupid thing on there. That's nasty.

01:08:39.989 --> 01:08:42.069
That's like. Groove ring. Groove. That's it.

01:08:42.149 --> 01:08:43.770
Yeah. I feel like that with like. Those are legit.

01:08:43.989 --> 01:08:47.270
Knee injuries and like dislocations. Oh, dude.

01:08:47.350 --> 01:08:50.090
You know what creeps me the most is broken shins.

01:08:50.670 --> 01:08:53.770
When I see that shin check, when the shin snaps,

01:08:53.770 --> 01:08:56.649
like, ah. If there's ever a fight that I think

01:08:56.649 --> 01:08:58.789
a guy should have pulled out that didn't, and

01:08:58.789 --> 01:09:00.470
if I was his friend, I would have told him, you

01:09:00.470 --> 01:09:02.970
cannot fight. It's Conor when he fought Dustin.

01:09:03.229 --> 01:09:05.390
The second fight with Dustin, excuse me, the

01:09:05.390 --> 01:09:07.250
third fight with Dustin when his shin snapped

01:09:07.250 --> 01:09:09.689
in half. You know, they knew that he had some

01:09:09.689 --> 01:09:11.430
sort of a hairline fracture on his shin. Really?

01:09:11.430 --> 01:09:13.649
Yeah. I never knew that. He already had MRIs

01:09:13.649 --> 01:09:14.930
and everything. They knew something was really

01:09:14.930 --> 01:09:16.750
wrong with it. Yeah, screw that. No, no, no.

01:09:16.750 --> 01:09:19.819
Yeah, and he didn't even, it didn't even. like

01:09:19.819 --> 01:09:22.539
go shin to knee or anything like that, like it

01:09:22.539 --> 01:09:24.939
usually snaps. That's how compromised it was.

01:09:25.060 --> 01:09:28.060
If you watch that fight, there is one time where

01:09:28.060 --> 01:09:31.170
Dustin checks it. And he checks the kick, and

01:09:31.170 --> 01:09:32.789
he looked at him. He pointed at him, like, I

01:09:32.789 --> 01:09:34.729
know that hurt you, bitch. Like, he, like, got

01:09:34.729 --> 01:09:36.689
in his head. And that was also after Dustin had

01:09:36.689 --> 01:09:39.029
just KO'd him in the last fight. So this was

01:09:39.029 --> 01:09:41.390
the third fight. Yeah. And it was weird, man,

01:09:41.409 --> 01:09:43.909
because in the first fight, it was like, nice

01:09:43.909 --> 01:09:46.770
guy, Conor. It was like, nice guy, Conor, even

01:09:46.770 --> 01:09:49.270
after the fight. Like, after the fight, he was

01:09:49.270 --> 01:09:52.789
being cool. He got KO'd. His leg got fucked up

01:09:52.789 --> 01:09:54.649
with those calf kicks. And after the fight, he

01:09:54.649 --> 01:09:56.289
was so respectful. I'm like, look, Conor turned

01:09:56.289 --> 01:09:58.250
a corner. Not the third one. Not the third one,

01:09:58.310 --> 01:10:05.470
bro. Oh, bro. It's so funny, but it's like, I

01:10:05.470 --> 01:10:07.409
know where Dustin, he comes from like a same

01:10:07.409 --> 01:10:10.430
vibe that I come from. And like, same things

01:10:10.430 --> 01:10:12.189
probably bother him. So when he said that, you

01:10:12.189 --> 01:10:13.770
could see Dustin, like, even though he just whooped

01:10:13.770 --> 01:10:16.810
him, he was like, like, you know, crazy thing

01:10:16.810 --> 01:10:17.989
to say while you're lying there with a broken

01:10:17.989 --> 01:10:20.010
leg. For sure. You know, a guy could just keep,

01:10:20.050 --> 01:10:21.789
he took it well though. You know, who took it

01:10:21.789 --> 01:10:24.409
the best that I've seen personally, Tyrone Spong.

01:10:25.119 --> 01:10:27.399
When he snapped his in half, he's just sitting

01:10:27.399 --> 01:10:29.119
there. We talk about this too. I'm like, bro,

01:10:29.180 --> 01:10:32.979
how'd you sit there? Just like, he's like, to

01:10:32.979 --> 01:10:34.979
be honest, I think he said, like, to be honest,

01:10:35.159 --> 01:10:37.239
I was a little in shock at first. And I was like.

01:10:38.100 --> 01:10:39.920
What am I going to do? It is what it is. Yeah,

01:10:40.000 --> 01:10:41.159
like, what am I going to do? Like, it sucks.

01:10:41.439 --> 01:10:44.680
That's wise. Yeah, he was a G. That was against

01:10:44.680 --> 01:10:47.140
Gokhan Saki, too. Yeah. That was a kickboxing

01:10:47.140 --> 01:10:48.220
fight. Yeah, I remember to this day. It's very

01:10:48.220 --> 01:10:50.319
rare in a kickboxing fight. Isn't it interesting?

01:10:50.399 --> 01:10:53.000
It's way more common in an MMA fight. I've only

01:10:53.000 --> 01:10:54.680
seen it a couple times in kickboxing. I've seen

01:10:54.680 --> 01:10:58.609
it. God, thank God, because of Instagram. Luckily,

01:10:58.649 --> 01:11:01.210
I get to see every fucking horrific injury that's

01:11:01.210 --> 01:11:05.449
ever happened. It seems like I never saw it until

01:11:05.449 --> 01:11:08.369
one. Who was the first time? Was it Corey Hill?

01:11:09.109 --> 01:11:11.369
I think it was Corey Hill was the first guy who

01:11:11.369 --> 01:11:14.569
broke his. And Corey was like a real tall, thin

01:11:14.569 --> 01:11:18.390
guy. I believe he fought at 145. And he was something

01:11:18.390 --> 01:11:22.170
crazy, like 6 '3 at 145. He was real tall and

01:11:22.170 --> 01:11:27.250
skinny. And who did he fight? Jamie will find

01:11:27.250 --> 01:11:29.130
it. He passed away, right? Yes, he did, unfortunately.

01:11:29.210 --> 01:11:32.069
He fought in Louisiana a good bit. Because I

01:11:32.069 --> 01:11:33.569
remember when he passed away, they were doing

01:11:33.569 --> 01:11:36.510
some stuff for him there. So that was also the

01:11:36.510 --> 01:11:42.130
referee didn't notice it. Dale. It just says

01:11:42.130 --> 01:11:53.479
Dale H. Oh, bro, that gets me. So during the

01:11:53.479 --> 01:11:55.680
fight, the referee didn't notice it, so they

01:11:55.680 --> 01:11:58.979
kept fighting. And I put my headsets down, and

01:11:58.979 --> 01:12:02.600
I got up, and I was screaming, stop the fight,

01:12:02.720 --> 01:12:05.680
stop the fight. The referee didn't notice it.

01:12:05.720 --> 01:12:08.859
He didn't notice that the guy's leg broke. So

01:12:08.859 --> 01:12:12.220
they were still scrapping on the ground. I hope

01:12:12.220 --> 01:12:13.439
that was the end, because how do you not notice

01:12:13.439 --> 01:12:15.180
that? His leg is literally in a U. It's just

01:12:15.180 --> 01:12:17.960
a bad angle, you know? You're in the wrong place

01:12:17.960 --> 01:12:20.939
at the wrong time. Looking at where the referee's

01:12:20.939 --> 01:12:22.479
standing, there's actually kind of no excuse.

01:12:23.739 --> 01:12:26.739
There it is. There it is. I see it falls back.

01:12:26.800 --> 01:12:32.100
Look, it's lit. Stop, stop, stop. Stop the fight.

01:12:32.340 --> 01:12:34.739
Stop the fight. Stop the fight. The fight is

01:12:34.739 --> 01:12:40.420
all over. Corey Hill. Dang. Dale Hart. You saw

01:12:40.420 --> 01:12:42.359
it instantly on your monitor. I saw it instantly

01:12:42.359 --> 01:12:47.220
in the cage. I wasn't watching the monitor. I

01:12:47.220 --> 01:12:48.739
don't even think we had monitors back then. I

01:12:48.739 --> 01:12:50.039
was just about to ask that question, too. I don't

01:12:50.039 --> 01:12:51.460
think we had monitors back then. We didn't have

01:12:51.460 --> 01:12:53.539
monitors for a while. The monitors were my idea.

01:12:53.819 --> 01:12:55.239
Really? I was like, we have to have monitors.

01:12:55.399 --> 01:12:57.079
I want to see monitors. I want to see replays.

01:12:57.079 --> 01:12:59.680
I want to see shit. It was early, early in the

01:12:59.680 --> 01:13:02.399
UFC. I was like, we need monitors. And also,

01:13:02.439 --> 01:13:04.159
the judges should get fucking monitors, too.

01:13:04.319 --> 01:13:06.439
Yeah, now it's nice. I'll sit behind you sometimes

01:13:06.439 --> 01:13:07.340
and see it. Actually, now that I'm thinking that,

01:13:07.380 --> 01:13:09.159
maybe I'm wrong. Maybe we did have monitors.

01:13:09.380 --> 01:13:11.640
Maybe I was asking for other things. Maybe I

01:13:11.640 --> 01:13:13.279
was asking for monitors for the judges. When

01:13:13.279 --> 01:13:15.319
did they start having monitors in the UFC? I

01:13:15.319 --> 01:13:18.979
don't know. But I always try to watch the actual

01:13:18.979 --> 01:13:21.760
fight. I want to see the actual fight. I mean,

01:13:21.800 --> 01:13:24.180
you can get a better view if the cage is there,

01:13:24.300 --> 01:13:26.579
but I mean, fuck, man, you're five feet away

01:13:26.579 --> 01:13:28.859
from the best fights on earth. You want to see

01:13:28.859 --> 01:13:31.680
it, see it. I don't want to be watching TV. That's

01:13:31.680 --> 01:13:33.680
crazy. Yeah, you got the best seat in the house.

01:13:33.760 --> 01:13:36.060
Oh, it's the craziest seat ever. So when did

01:13:36.060 --> 01:13:39.220
they start doing it? 2011. Is that for judges?

01:13:39.439 --> 01:13:42.930
Yeah. That was definitely my idea or well there

01:13:42.930 --> 01:13:44.569
was other people that had that same idea, but

01:13:44.569 --> 01:13:46.430
I'm like you need to do this This is because

01:13:46.430 --> 01:13:48.449
there was some of them that were so bad some

01:13:48.449 --> 01:13:51.010
some calls that were so bad It's like there's

01:13:51.010 --> 01:13:53.229
no way these guys are seeing everything You know

01:13:53.229 --> 01:13:55.810
if there's a pillar here and a guy lands an elbow

01:13:55.810 --> 01:13:57.949
and you're judging you don't see it like what

01:13:57.949 --> 01:13:59.590
do you do? What do you say that might have been

01:13:59.590 --> 01:14:01.590
the most pivotal moment in the fight? Like what

01:14:01.590 --> 01:14:04.649
are you doing? You have to see it at all The

01:14:04.649 --> 01:14:07.350
judging thing is crazy, man. Tell me about it.

01:14:07.470 --> 01:14:09.510
There's judges that don't even train. They've

01:14:09.510 --> 01:14:12.430
never trained MMA. They don't have any jujitsu

01:14:12.430 --> 01:14:14.470
skill. They don't know what's going on. In the

01:14:14.470 --> 01:14:17.829
middle of a fight once, this lady leaned over

01:14:17.829 --> 01:14:20.810
to my friend, who also worked for one of the

01:14:20.810 --> 01:14:23.909
commissions, and said, what is he doing? No way.

01:14:24.329 --> 01:14:29.430
It was an Americana. It was a normal move. It

01:14:29.430 --> 01:14:34.739
was like, what is he doing? That's crazy. It

01:14:34.739 --> 01:14:36.539
was either Americana or Kimura. I'm not sure

01:14:36.539 --> 01:14:39.539
if I remember. He's trying to bite him. What?

01:14:39.680 --> 01:14:42.939
I don't know. But imagine, this is a person that's

01:14:42.939 --> 01:14:45.680
in charge. So the really horrible thing about

01:14:45.680 --> 01:14:47.619
it, a bad decision, it's not just that you get

01:14:47.619 --> 01:14:49.260
a loss on your record, but you get half your

01:14:49.260 --> 01:14:52.149
paycheck. which I think is really fucked up.

01:14:52.170 --> 01:14:54.909
I think that needs to stop. I think you should

01:14:54.909 --> 01:14:57.310
have a designated amount that you're fighting

01:14:57.310 --> 01:14:59.409
for, and if you want to have a stoppage bonus

01:14:59.409 --> 01:15:03.010
or you want to give someone some sort of a bonus

01:15:03.010 --> 01:15:05.130
for an excellent performance, that's great. That

01:15:05.130 --> 01:15:07.430
incentivizes them to try harder to stop somebody.

01:15:07.810 --> 01:15:11.229
But a bad decision that can cost you half your

01:15:11.229 --> 01:15:15.470
purse is crazy. It's crazy. You know, I had a...

01:15:17.159 --> 01:15:19.699
I'm getting older, so I try to have a little

01:15:19.699 --> 01:15:23.300
bit more wisdom. So after I lost to Fluffy, I

01:15:23.300 --> 01:15:26.060
went back and watched the fight like six times,

01:15:26.119 --> 01:15:30.020
and I'm like, I really don't see how I lost on

01:15:30.020 --> 01:15:33.479
a decision. I can see your point if you use this

01:15:33.479 --> 01:15:36.680
frame of mind, but based on the unified rules

01:15:36.680 --> 01:15:40.449
at the time, how? Dude, I reached out to like

01:15:40.449 --> 01:15:41.930
a lot of people that I knew that are like in

01:15:41.930 --> 01:15:44.250
the high up in commissions and like I had really

01:15:44.250 --> 01:15:46.590
deep talks with them about it, like explain my

01:15:46.590 --> 01:15:50.350
perspective, listen to theirs, the rules. And

01:15:50.350 --> 01:15:53.869
literally it came down to it's your interpretation.

01:15:54.510 --> 01:15:56.470
It's your interpretation of the rules. And it

01:15:56.470 --> 01:16:00.430
was like it came down to is his effective grappling,

01:16:00.590 --> 01:16:03.430
even if they're holding, they're still, you know,

01:16:03.430 --> 01:16:06.850
whatever. Does it outweigh me almost knocking

01:16:06.850 --> 01:16:10.029
you out? And me putting a cut all the way to

01:16:10.029 --> 01:16:12.689
your skull on your face. And you holding me.

01:16:12.909 --> 01:16:14.750
Which one outweighs what? That's how I explained

01:16:14.750 --> 01:16:16.529
it to them. And they were like, oh, but he just

01:16:16.529 --> 01:16:20.590
had more time. I said, and look, don't get me

01:16:20.590 --> 01:16:23.250
wrong. I love Fluffy. I think he's a great human

01:16:23.250 --> 01:16:25.069
being. I really do. I've known him. We fought

01:16:25.069 --> 01:16:29.010
twice already. And he's beat me both times. Both

01:16:29.010 --> 01:16:32.970
decisions. But I don't think I lost the last

01:16:32.970 --> 01:16:35.189
one. I'll still die on that hill. But it was

01:16:35.189 --> 01:16:37.350
a very good fight. It was a very close fight.

01:16:37.449 --> 01:16:39.550
I see what you're saying, though. And it was

01:16:39.550 --> 01:16:41.130
one of the things that we brought up during this

01:16:41.130 --> 01:16:44.189
past fight with Marab and Piotr Jan. And I'm

01:16:44.189 --> 01:16:46.250
like, if you're looking at it in terms of just

01:16:46.250 --> 01:16:49.750
damage, Piotr Jan is clearly doing more damage.

01:16:49.909 --> 01:16:52.229
Right. He's hitting Marab with shots that rock

01:16:52.229 --> 01:16:54.710
him. He kicks him in the body. He's got him screaming.

01:16:55.050 --> 01:16:57.930
There was never a moment where Marab did that

01:16:57.930 --> 01:16:59.890
to Piotr. Even when he hit him with good shots,

01:16:59.989 --> 01:17:03.149
Piotr was firing back. Right. Damage is huge.

01:17:03.449 --> 01:17:06.069
It's what the sport is really about. The sport

01:17:06.069 --> 01:17:08.250
is really about either damage or coming really

01:17:08.250 --> 01:17:10.310
close to putting someone out, like submitting

01:17:10.310 --> 01:17:12.829
them. That's what the sport's about. And when

01:17:12.829 --> 01:17:16.409
it's just holding, when a guy holds and doesn't

01:17:16.409 --> 01:17:19.069
do anything with it, it's like that, it's, look,

01:17:19.149 --> 01:17:21.289
it's an effective strategy. And if you're fighting

01:17:21.289 --> 01:17:23.170
a guy who could fuck you up standing and that's

01:17:23.170 --> 01:17:25.510
all you could do to survive, I understand. Like,

01:17:25.550 --> 01:17:28.340
I have no problem with boring fights. I really

01:17:28.340 --> 01:17:30.680
don't. And I know the fans are like, fucking

01:17:30.680 --> 01:17:35.560
separate him. Fucking separate him. I have no

01:17:35.560 --> 01:17:37.380
problem with boring fights because I think if

01:17:37.380 --> 01:17:40.939
you can let a guy just hold on to you, that is

01:17:40.939 --> 01:17:43.140
a part of the game. Yeah. If a guy takes you

01:17:43.140 --> 01:17:45.420
down and holds you down, I think you should be

01:17:45.420 --> 01:17:48.340
there. A round's only five minutes. I don't believe

01:17:48.340 --> 01:17:50.039
in stand -ups. And I know that sounds crazy,

01:17:50.220 --> 01:17:52.300
but even if it's boring as shit, and sometimes

01:17:52.300 --> 01:17:54.100
I'm happy when they stand people up, I really

01:17:54.100 --> 01:17:56.899
am, but if it was my rules, if I could make the

01:17:56.899 --> 01:17:59.020
rules, I'd never stand a person up. Unless there's

01:17:59.020 --> 01:18:01.300
a violation of the rules, never stand a person

01:18:01.300 --> 01:18:03.279
up. Because it's part of the sport. If it's boring,

01:18:03.500 --> 01:18:05.680
it's boring. You know, we talked about it after

01:18:05.680 --> 01:18:09.140
the fight. After the fight, I went in the back,

01:18:09.260 --> 01:18:11.659
and I was frustrated at myself, really, to be

01:18:11.659 --> 01:18:14.420
honest. I was super frustrated at myself. Well,

01:18:14.460 --> 01:18:16.840
at first, I was like, Fuck, they just let him

01:18:16.840 --> 01:18:18.539
fucking hold the whole time. Like in the third,

01:18:18.600 --> 01:18:21.000
I literally almost knocked him out. Like I'm

01:18:21.000 --> 01:18:24.600
talking shit, right? And Robbie looks at me,

01:18:24.659 --> 01:18:27.079
Robbie Lawler, and he goes, should have just

01:18:27.079 --> 01:18:30.819
got up then. I went, you're right. Yeah. You're

01:18:30.819 --> 01:18:33.279
right. You're right. That's some Robbie Lawler

01:18:33.279 --> 01:18:35.899
wisdom right there. And from there, I was like,

01:18:36.020 --> 01:18:38.859
all right. Yeah. But then I found out after,

01:18:38.920 --> 01:18:42.579
like one of Fluffy's coaches is, he used to be

01:18:42.579 --> 01:18:45.390
in the commission, like so he knows. They explained

01:18:45.390 --> 01:18:48.470
his pedigree or whatever. And he's very, very,

01:18:48.510 --> 01:18:51.289
very knowledgeable about what the rules are and

01:18:51.289 --> 01:18:54.229
all these things. So he strategizes, I guess,

01:18:54.229 --> 01:18:57.989
certain things around that. So he strategizes

01:18:57.989 --> 01:18:59.829
certain things around the rules. Yeah, that's

01:18:59.829 --> 01:19:02.170
what I heard. That's what they told me. I bet

01:19:02.170 --> 01:19:04.350
a lot of guys do that. He canceled, like he was

01:19:04.350 --> 01:19:05.930
in the commission, like part of it, like I guess

01:19:05.930 --> 01:19:07.750
worked for them. And he's like, he pulled out

01:19:07.750 --> 01:19:09.449
of working there because he wanted to be for

01:19:09.449 --> 01:19:12.170
Fluffy more, which is admirable. But like he

01:19:12.170 --> 01:19:14.760
didn't want to have like a... Conflict of interest.

01:19:14.859 --> 01:19:16.680
Yeah. So I thought that was pretty cool. But,

01:19:16.720 --> 01:19:20.140
like, I will say, like, what Fluffy did really

01:19:20.140 --> 01:19:22.659
good that I was prepared for, like, wrestling

01:19:22.659 --> 01:19:25.000
like crazy. But I wrestle with guys that are,

01:19:25.020 --> 01:19:27.819
like, folk style wrestlers. What he does very

01:19:27.819 --> 01:19:32.340
well is he don't shoot normal shots. He doesn't

01:19:32.340 --> 01:19:35.359
shoot, like, a double or a single. He shoots,

01:19:35.399 --> 01:19:37.220
like, it looks like it's going to be a double,

01:19:37.300 --> 01:19:40.279
but he's only at your hips. He's just trying

01:19:40.279 --> 01:19:42.789
to get your hips. Then he's circling right away

01:19:42.789 --> 01:19:45.109
if he can or putting you to the cage and working

01:19:45.109 --> 01:19:48.010
his sequences from there. But he has very awkward

01:19:48.010 --> 01:19:50.550
shots. They're so weird. Like I could see them

01:19:50.550 --> 01:19:52.489
and I was like, oh, I'm about to stuff it. But

01:19:52.489 --> 01:19:54.189
I'm the kind of guy like you got to touch me

01:19:54.189 --> 01:19:55.189
and then I'm going to go. I'm not just going

01:19:55.189 --> 01:19:57.869
to react. That way you can set it up for something

01:19:57.869 --> 01:20:00.029
else. Right. But as soon as he touches me, like

01:20:00.029 --> 01:20:03.390
in the second, he was, I didn't know how, but

01:20:03.390 --> 01:20:07.050
I watched it back. I went to like catch a whizzer.

01:20:07.470 --> 01:20:09.090
And next thing you know, my feet came out from

01:20:09.090 --> 01:20:11.170
under me because we were both circling so hard.

01:20:11.250 --> 01:20:13.430
I was trying to get the whizzer and he was trying

01:20:13.430 --> 01:20:15.649
to go to my back. And my feet came out from under

01:20:15.649 --> 01:20:17.569
me. I just landed like on my shoulder. And I'm

01:20:17.569 --> 01:20:19.930
like, in the fight, I'm like, what the fuck just

01:20:19.930 --> 01:20:22.510
happened? There's no way. This is where my head's

01:20:22.510 --> 01:20:24.489
at. I'm like, no fucking way that he just did

01:20:24.489 --> 01:20:26.869
this. I'm like, what the fuck just happened?

01:20:27.109 --> 01:20:29.210
And my corner's yelling at me. His corner's yelling.

01:20:29.369 --> 01:20:31.850
And I'm still in my head like, what the fuck?

01:20:31.970 --> 01:20:34.010
Like, what just? Dude, it took me like probably.

01:20:34.359 --> 01:20:36.560
a minute and a half to like transfer into something

01:20:36.560 --> 01:20:38.479
else and then I was like he's not doing nothing

01:20:38.479 --> 01:20:40.539
so I'll just get him next round which terrible

01:20:40.539 --> 01:20:43.279
frame of mindset we've worked on and then the

01:20:43.279 --> 01:20:45.880
third but yeah man I was like still like after

01:20:45.880 --> 01:20:47.640
the fight I was like yo I asked my boy I was

01:20:47.640 --> 01:20:49.840
like how did he get me down there like he went

01:20:49.840 --> 01:20:51.399
for a guillotine I said I didn't go for no goddamn

01:20:51.399 --> 01:20:53.920
guillotine until the third and then I swept him

01:20:53.920 --> 01:20:56.100
with it and stood back up I was like I didn't

01:20:56.100 --> 01:20:59.960
do that I swear but yeah man but like I said

01:20:59.960 --> 01:21:02.899
McKinney had a savage he's a savage he's a savage

01:21:03.780 --> 01:21:07.720
And he also has a crazy gas tank, man. He melts

01:21:07.720 --> 01:21:10.619
guys. That guy melts guys. The Delize thing where

01:21:10.619 --> 01:21:12.800
he grabbed his neck and just like a bouncer at

01:21:12.800 --> 01:21:14.939
a nightclub just dragged him back to finish him.

01:21:15.020 --> 01:21:18.920
That was crazy. Yeah, man. That's one thing I

01:21:18.920 --> 01:21:22.079
wish I would have put more output. Because everyone's

01:21:22.079 --> 01:21:23.159
like, you're tired. I was like, bro, I was having

01:21:23.159 --> 01:21:25.340
a full conversation like this in between rounds

01:21:25.340 --> 01:21:27.439
right after the fight. I wasn't tired. I was

01:21:27.439 --> 01:21:29.960
just. complacent like i was like oh like i'm

01:21:29.960 --> 01:21:31.680
already gonna because i beat malco like that

01:21:31.680 --> 01:21:33.800
because all he did was hold literally just held

01:21:33.800 --> 01:21:37.100
and i'm hitting him bang bang bang how am i supposed

01:21:37.100 --> 01:21:38.979
to improve my position you're literally just

01:21:38.979 --> 01:21:40.520
holding you're not even moving at all you're

01:21:40.520 --> 01:21:42.180
not lifting your weight you're not doing nothing

01:21:42.180 --> 01:21:44.680
right so i won that fight because i did more

01:21:44.680 --> 01:21:47.020
damage and i had fight ending intentions i felt

01:21:47.020 --> 01:21:49.439
i had that with fluffy so in the third i was

01:21:49.439 --> 01:21:51.880
like i'm elbowing him and he's gushing blood

01:21:51.880 --> 01:21:54.039
and i'm looking at the ref like yo he's just

01:21:54.039 --> 01:21:55.939
holding i try to get up he's just he just picks

01:21:55.939 --> 01:21:58.279
my ankle and I go back down, I elbow him some

01:21:58.279 --> 01:22:00.619
more, try to get back up. He got on top for like

01:22:00.619 --> 01:22:03.399
a minute, but he didn't do nothing really. Anyway,

01:22:03.479 --> 01:22:05.159
that's where my frame of mindset was at, and

01:22:05.159 --> 01:22:06.560
it was just terrible, you know, looking back.

01:22:06.619 --> 01:22:10.119
But I would love a third, you know. Well, it'll

01:22:10.119 --> 01:22:11.779
probably happen. It'll probably happen somewhere

01:22:11.779 --> 01:22:13.220
down the line because it would be a great fight.

01:22:13.479 --> 01:22:15.479
Yeah, well, that's where kind of the holdup is,

01:22:15.560 --> 01:22:18.000
I guess, right now. Obviously, you know how politics

01:22:18.000 --> 01:22:20.859
work in this game, but it's like the top five

01:22:20.859 --> 01:22:26.010
is the champion, Drikus. No, I'm sorry. Champion,

01:22:26.250 --> 01:22:30.029
Drikus, Imavov, Sean Strickland, Fluffy, me.

01:22:30.489 --> 01:22:32.869
And it's like, all right, Sean, they just announced

01:22:32.869 --> 01:22:37.069
Sean and Fluffy. Imavov, yep, that's cool. And

01:22:37.069 --> 01:22:40.289
then Imavov's waiting. They both said they're

01:22:40.289 --> 01:22:42.630
going to wait for that one. So it's just me and

01:22:42.630 --> 01:22:45.270
Drikus. And then right behind me is Izzy. Who

01:22:45.270 --> 01:22:46.949
knows when Izzy's going to fight or if he's going

01:22:46.949 --> 01:22:49.510
to fight. Right. So it's like. We're eating on

01:22:49.510 --> 01:22:51.289
Drikus, and Drikus always has a lot to say when

01:22:51.289 --> 01:22:53.010
I'm losing, but when I'm winning, he don't really

01:22:53.010 --> 01:22:55.289
have enough to say. And then I just saw an interview

01:22:55.289 --> 01:22:58.109
the other day, and it was like, he was like,

01:22:58.210 --> 01:23:01.869
yeah, I'd love to beat his head in or something.

01:23:02.149 --> 01:23:03.890
About you? Yeah, about me. And I'm like, well,

01:23:03.949 --> 01:23:07.130
you have the opportunity to do so, and it only

01:23:07.130 --> 01:23:08.989
makes sense unless you want to wait forever.

01:23:10.189 --> 01:23:14.810
I wonder what he does after that Hamzat fight,

01:23:14.930 --> 01:23:17.399
because when a guy dominates you like that, Where

01:23:17.399 --> 01:23:21.479
it's so clear. It's just like one of those gaps

01:23:21.479 --> 01:23:22.699
that it looks like, oh, you're never going to

01:23:22.699 --> 01:23:27.220
bridge that gap. That grappling gap. I don't

01:23:27.220 --> 01:23:30.460
know if you agree, but. That should never happen

01:23:30.460 --> 01:23:33.399
at that level. Well, it never does happen at

01:23:33.399 --> 01:23:35.600
that level. That's the reality. Except Islam

01:23:35.600 --> 01:23:37.560
and Jack de la Maddalena. That's another similar

01:23:37.560 --> 01:23:40.680
situation. Yeah. Very similar situation. But

01:23:40.680 --> 01:23:43.640
I think there's guys that you get in there with

01:23:43.640 --> 01:23:47.399
and, you know, if you're used to a, like, B -caliber

01:23:47.399 --> 01:23:51.460
guy or, you know, a high -level guy. Right. But

01:23:51.460 --> 01:23:54.579
there's only a few real A's. And, like, Hamzat

01:23:54.579 --> 01:23:57.079
is a real A. Yeah. He's good at it. He's a savage.

01:23:57.199 --> 01:23:59.500
I talked to DC about him. And DC said, dude,

01:23:59.640 --> 01:24:01.819
when that guy grabbed me, and he goes, we were

01:24:01.819 --> 01:24:03.319
wearing street clothes and everything like that.

01:24:03.340 --> 01:24:04.800
He goes, I realized, like, I'm going to have

01:24:04.800 --> 01:24:07.340
to wrestle, wrestle to keep this guy off me.

01:24:07.640 --> 01:24:12.779
He was like, he's fucking strong, man. And it's

01:24:12.779 --> 01:24:14.899
also because, first of all, how the fuck did

01:24:14.899 --> 01:24:17.600
that guy make 170? I don't know. But I don't

01:24:17.600 --> 01:24:19.220
understand how he talks about going up to 205.

01:24:19.359 --> 01:24:21.100
Because like you said, you got guys like Pereira.

01:24:21.180 --> 01:24:22.800
And don't get me wrong. I know they're stylistically

01:24:22.800 --> 01:24:25.920
different. I think he can do it. I think he can

01:24:25.920 --> 01:24:28.000
do it. I think he can do it if he takes the time

01:24:28.000 --> 01:24:29.899
and puts weight on. Yeah, if he puts weight on,

01:24:30.000 --> 01:24:31.720
I think he has a high chance. Because he's tall.

01:24:31.960 --> 01:24:33.920
You know, he's tall. And it's also, the thing

01:24:33.920 --> 01:24:36.260
is, it's like these gaps in wrestling. You know,

01:24:36.279 --> 01:24:38.579
these gaps in grappling. When a guy's a really

01:24:38.579 --> 01:24:40.880
good grappler and then you're taking on a guy

01:24:40.880 --> 01:24:43.079
like Drikus, who's really a striker. Right. He's

01:24:43.079 --> 01:24:45.319
a good grappler. He's a good jiu -jitsu guy.

01:24:45.479 --> 01:24:47.920
But there's levels, you know? And the kind of

01:24:47.920 --> 01:24:50.579
guy like Hamza, like, man, you got to be a fucking

01:24:50.579 --> 01:24:52.960
Olympic caliber wrestler to scrap with that guy.

01:24:53.140 --> 01:24:55.479
Yeah, and it's like I tell people, like, I'm

01:24:55.479 --> 01:24:57.899
not going to go out there and straight beat Chamayev

01:24:57.899 --> 01:24:59.340
in pure wrestling. Like, it's not going to happen.

01:24:59.460 --> 01:25:01.800
I'm not stupid. I'm not stupid, but it's MMA.

01:25:02.420 --> 01:25:04.159
Could I take him down? I mean, yeah, I could.

01:25:04.880 --> 01:25:06.979
But there's other ways to approach the fight

01:25:06.979 --> 01:25:10.359
that I think I have the upper hand. Like, you

01:25:10.359 --> 01:25:12.960
see how other people have approached him. and

01:25:12.960 --> 01:25:15.659
done well with him. But it's like... You also

01:25:15.659 --> 01:25:18.760
have very good submissions, too. You have a real

01:25:18.760 --> 01:25:21.279
solid jiu -jitsu game. And you can strike. You

01:25:21.279 --> 01:25:24.720
know, you've got a very complete package. And

01:25:24.720 --> 01:25:27.000
I think, you know, the thing about his grappling

01:25:27.000 --> 01:25:29.100
is that, like, you have that hole. If you have

01:25:29.100 --> 01:25:30.979
that hole, he's going to find that hole and he's

01:25:30.979 --> 01:25:32.779
going to smother you. For sure. And you're fucksville.

01:25:33.000 --> 01:25:35.100
That's what freaks... That's what, like, makes

01:25:35.100 --> 01:25:36.720
no sense to me with the Drakus fight, right?

01:25:36.779 --> 01:25:41.130
Like, you're the champion of the world. he took

01:25:41.130 --> 01:25:43.409
you down no problem man i totally understand

01:25:43.409 --> 01:25:48.989
i get taken down a lot you know but um i mean

01:25:48.989 --> 01:25:51.109
i know our styles are different but you didn't

01:25:51.109 --> 01:25:53.130
try to hip bump you didn't try to hip escape

01:25:53.130 --> 01:25:55.229
you didn't try to scoop the leg and lift and

01:25:55.229 --> 01:25:58.430
elevate you didn't try to do nothing Literally,

01:25:58.850 --> 01:26:00.949
he didn't try to do nothing. He literally waited

01:26:00.949 --> 01:26:03.569
for him to establish his position. He'd roll

01:26:03.569 --> 01:26:07.029
side to side, maybe one hip bump around. When

01:26:07.029 --> 01:26:09.729
he did, Chermayev did great. Knee sliced or just

01:26:09.729 --> 01:26:13.400
stepped over, passed, and went crucifix. How

01:26:13.400 --> 01:26:15.000
many times did he put him in the crucifix, by

01:26:15.000 --> 01:26:17.239
the way? That was crazy. It was crazy. It only

01:26:17.239 --> 01:26:18.800
had to be like once a round because he wasn't

01:26:18.800 --> 01:26:21.399
getting out. I mean, how many times did he put

01:26:21.399 --> 01:26:23.060
him in the crucifix? In a world championship

01:26:23.060 --> 01:26:25.880
fight, has there ever been a fight where a champion

01:26:25.880 --> 01:26:29.520
has been put in a crucifix that many times? Insane.

01:26:29.579 --> 01:26:31.560
It was over and over and over again. We were

01:26:31.560 --> 01:26:33.680
like, how is he doing this again? This is so

01:26:33.680 --> 01:26:36.220
crazy. And that kind of blew my mind. So that's

01:26:36.220 --> 01:26:39.180
why it's like... I just think Shamaya's gap is

01:26:39.180 --> 01:26:41.220
just so good. And I think also with a guy like

01:26:41.220 --> 01:26:44.340
Drikus, You've got to speak to this. When you're

01:26:44.340 --> 01:26:46.739
down and you realize, okay, it's the first round.

01:26:46.899 --> 01:26:49.140
He's taking me down. He's on top of me. Let me

01:26:49.140 --> 01:26:51.000
just conserve my energy. This is a five -round

01:26:51.000 --> 01:26:52.279
world championship fight. I'm going to knock

01:26:52.279 --> 01:26:54.000
this motherfucker out. He's going to get tired

01:26:54.000 --> 01:26:56.239
doing this. He always gets tired. But you know

01:26:56.239 --> 01:26:59.039
the difference with Hamza in this fight is he

01:26:59.039 --> 01:27:01.720
trained with Sam Calavita. Do you know that guy?

01:27:01.920 --> 01:27:04.159
Uh -uh. Okay. I just heard he hired someone good.

01:27:04.380 --> 01:27:08.119
Yeah, Calavita is a real elite strength and conditioning

01:27:08.119 --> 01:27:12.020
coach and legendary guy. And he runs this, he

01:27:12.020 --> 01:27:14.659
just calls it the garage, okay? It's in Orange

01:27:14.659 --> 01:27:17.239
County, California. And it's just a fucking garage

01:27:17.239 --> 01:27:20.140
and not even a big one. Just a small two -car

01:27:20.140 --> 01:27:22.859
garage with no cars in it. And it's all just

01:27:22.859 --> 01:27:25.340
machines and equipment. And he's got Armand Saroukian

01:27:25.340 --> 01:27:27.739
training down there, TJ Dillashaw. When he was

01:27:27.739 --> 01:27:30.720
in his prime, he was training down there. DJ's

01:27:30.720 --> 01:27:33.020
conditioning was at such a fucking high level

01:27:33.020 --> 01:27:34.979
when he was in his prime was he was training

01:27:34.979 --> 01:27:37.819
with that guy. He has everybody that I know that's

01:27:37.819 --> 01:27:39.760
trained with him is like, bro, this guy puts

01:27:39.760 --> 01:27:45.060
you through fucking hell. Hell. This is... that's

01:27:45.060 --> 01:27:47.140
TJ when he's training there. And again, this

01:27:47.140 --> 01:27:49.420
is like, if you see there, Sam, if you see it,

01:27:49.439 --> 01:27:51.560
like, and when you listen to the guy talk, just

01:27:51.560 --> 01:27:56.039
extremely fucking knowledgeable, but he gets

01:27:56.039 --> 01:27:57.859
you to the point. It's called the train. It's

01:27:57.859 --> 01:28:00.779
a, if you look at it online, training lab on

01:28:00.779 --> 01:28:07.579
Instagram, T R E I G N lab. training, but training

01:28:07.579 --> 01:28:10.659
is T -R -E -I -G -N, like train MMA. Yeah, I

01:28:10.659 --> 01:28:12.939
know that name, the training lab, because I was

01:28:12.939 --> 01:28:14.460
like, man, what a weird way. That's it. So you

01:28:14.460 --> 01:28:16.399
see Aaron Pico's there with them. There's Hamzat.

01:28:16.920 --> 01:28:20.579
So, I mean, he's got so many elite guys that

01:28:20.579 --> 01:28:23.920
are training inside of that gym. There's Juan

01:28:23.920 --> 01:28:26.720
Anchuleta. I wonder how they work that in. Obviously,

01:28:26.739 --> 01:28:28.659
they have their coaches and stuff dealing with

01:28:28.659 --> 01:28:31.000
it, but how they operate, how it's such intense.

01:28:31.359 --> 01:28:35.800
The issue with Hamzat was overtraining. So one

01:28:35.800 --> 01:28:39.020
of the things about Hamzat is he's apparently

01:28:39.020 --> 01:28:40.859
you can't kick him out of the fucking gym. He

01:28:40.859 --> 01:28:44.199
won't stop training. And you got to literally

01:28:44.199 --> 01:28:48.100
like stop him from training. He's a maniac. And

01:28:48.100 --> 01:28:50.359
when he got COVID, that's what really fucked

01:28:50.359 --> 01:28:52.180
him up. So he got COVID and you would think,

01:28:52.220 --> 01:28:55.359
oh, healthy guy like that who gets COVID, that

01:28:55.359 --> 01:28:57.939
ain't going to be shit for him. This silly motherfucker

01:28:57.939 --> 01:29:01.180
was training like an animal two -hour sessions

01:29:01.180 --> 01:29:04.229
with COVID. So then, you know, he's never. getting

01:29:04.229 --> 01:29:07.170
better. So instead of like saying, hey, this

01:29:07.170 --> 01:29:08.810
cold is not getting better. It's like, don't

01:29:08.810 --> 01:29:11.149
be pussy. I kill everyone. He shows up again,

01:29:11.270 --> 01:29:13.689
training again, two and a half hours, sick as

01:29:13.689 --> 01:29:16.329
a fucking dog, coughing. And then he broke his

01:29:16.329 --> 01:29:18.069
immune system down to a point where they had

01:29:18.069 --> 01:29:19.829
to fucking hospitalize him. Yeah, I remember

01:29:19.829 --> 01:29:22.430
hearing that. Just from training while he had

01:29:22.430 --> 01:29:24.970
COVID. That's all it was. He just refused to

01:29:24.970 --> 01:29:27.189
stop training. And look, I don't care what it

01:29:27.189 --> 01:29:29.430
is, the flu, whatever you have. You're trying

01:29:29.430 --> 01:29:32.310
to train two and a half hour days when you have

01:29:32.310 --> 01:29:35.159
a serious lung infection, you're going to fucking

01:29:35.159 --> 01:29:37.760
die. There's DC. And DC told me he did one session

01:29:37.760 --> 01:29:40.420
with him. This is recent. He's on the bike. What's

01:29:40.420 --> 01:29:43.340
that? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He uses elastic bands

01:29:43.340 --> 01:29:47.920
along with a fucking rogue echo bike. Yeah, so

01:29:47.920 --> 01:29:50.560
those rogue echo bikes, they suck enough. And

01:29:50.560 --> 01:29:52.560
to have resistance bands while you're doing it,

01:29:52.619 --> 01:29:55.859
too. That's crazy. Yeah. No, Sam's an animal.

01:29:55.960 --> 01:29:59.920
And, again, super knowledgeable. Like, knows,

01:30:00.060 --> 01:30:03.020
like, what your recovery should be, where your

01:30:03.020 --> 01:30:05.119
resting heart rate should be. And also super

01:30:05.119 --> 01:30:06.720
knowledgeable in terms of, like, supplements,

01:30:06.840 --> 01:30:11.039
diet, and all that stuff. He comes from the endurance

01:30:11.039 --> 01:30:14.659
cycling world, which is, like, so cycling, you

01:30:14.659 --> 01:30:16.859
would imagine, like, Tour de France -style cycling.

01:30:17.659 --> 01:30:19.859
This is probably the most endurance -dependent

01:30:19.859 --> 01:30:22.460
sport on planet Earth because it goes for so

01:30:22.460 --> 01:30:26.159
long. You have to really understand how to peak

01:30:26.159 --> 01:30:29.380
in order to compete at a real insane endurance

01:30:29.380 --> 01:30:32.479
event like that. So he's got this knowledge from

01:30:32.479 --> 01:30:34.840
that sport that he's transferred over to MMA.

01:30:35.180 --> 01:30:36.760
But everybody I know that's trained with him

01:30:36.760 --> 01:30:38.539
has said, like, man, it just changed everything,

01:30:38.779 --> 01:30:40.699
changed my whole game because now all of a sudden

01:30:40.699 --> 01:30:42.619
you've got an incredible gas tank. Yeah, he's

01:30:42.619 --> 01:30:44.319
doing good. Shamayev, like I said, he looked

01:30:44.319 --> 01:30:46.340
good. I think that was a factor, though, in that

01:30:46.340 --> 01:30:48.140
fight. For sure. There was no fade in that fight

01:30:48.140 --> 01:30:50.520
where you saw like the Usman fight. There was

01:30:50.520 --> 01:30:52.399
a fade in the third round. Usman won that fucking

01:30:52.399 --> 01:30:54.439
third round. Yeah. And after that third round,

01:30:54.479 --> 01:30:56.180
he was like, fuck, I wish this was a five round

01:30:56.180 --> 01:30:59.359
fight. Yeah. But it's like also like Usman made

01:30:59.359 --> 01:31:01.640
him have output. Yeah. He didn't really have

01:31:01.640 --> 01:31:03.960
to. He had one explosion to take him down. Mm

01:31:03.960 --> 01:31:07.100
hmm. But Usman can fucking wrestle. That's the

01:31:07.100 --> 01:31:09.420
difference. He was in there with a guy who was

01:31:09.420 --> 01:31:11.039
real strong, even though he's a weight class

01:31:11.039 --> 01:31:14.619
below him. Usman had been competing at 170, and

01:31:14.619 --> 01:31:16.880
Hamzat had already committed to 85. He's a bigger

01:31:16.880 --> 01:31:20.119
guy. But Usman can really wrestle, and that's

01:31:20.119 --> 01:31:22.079
the difference. It's not like a guy that doesn't

01:31:22.079 --> 01:31:23.819
know what to do, and you take him down, you ragdoll

01:31:23.819 --> 01:31:25.600
him. Usman's like, okay, you got me down, but

01:31:25.600 --> 01:31:28.260
this is a long -ass fight, and I'm going to get

01:31:28.260 --> 01:31:30.140
back up, and we're going to figure this out.

01:31:30.520 --> 01:31:32.500
And in the third round, he was figuring it out,

01:31:32.600 --> 01:31:34.479
and he started tuning them up. He was landing

01:31:34.479 --> 01:31:37.260
good shots. Yeah, I have a friend that trained

01:31:37.260 --> 01:31:40.500
with Tremaya. He goes and helps, and he's told

01:31:40.500 --> 01:31:42.659
me, he's like, man, his wrestling's really good.

01:31:42.699 --> 01:31:45.359
I was like, how good? He was like, it's good.

01:31:46.110 --> 01:31:48.729
I was like, he whoop you? He was like, no. If

01:31:48.729 --> 01:31:51.130
he whoop me, why would they bring me in if he

01:31:51.130 --> 01:31:55.189
whoops me? I was like, touche. Good one. But,

01:31:55.270 --> 01:31:56.729
you know, he is good. But you still got to watch

01:31:56.729 --> 01:31:58.569
that. You got to watch to see what does he consider

01:31:58.569 --> 01:32:02.369
whoop. Yeah. Let me watch. Show me the video.

01:32:02.449 --> 01:32:04.189
Let me see it. Yeah. Let me see what they got.

01:32:04.289 --> 01:32:06.409
Let me go in the room. I want to see in the room

01:32:06.409 --> 01:32:07.949
what's happening. But I like his demeanor, too.

01:32:08.010 --> 01:32:11.310
Like, the confrontation he had with, like, Ian

01:32:11.310 --> 01:32:14.939
Gary. Like, he's similar to me. I don't understand

01:32:14.939 --> 01:32:17.720
that because I had heard there's another angle

01:32:17.720 --> 01:32:20.100
that shows that Ian slapped him on the back pretty

01:32:20.100 --> 01:32:22.619
hard. Yeah. Oh, he did. Yeah, but Ian's that

01:32:22.619 --> 01:32:26.140
guy. He's trying to get a rise out of you. That

01:32:26.140 --> 01:32:28.579
way when you do get a rise, he's like a big brother,

01:32:28.699 --> 01:32:32.100
nitpicking. He's that guy. He wants you to get

01:32:32.100 --> 01:32:33.840
a rise out of you so then he can be like, what

01:32:33.840 --> 01:32:36.319
are you doing? I didn't mean that. He's like,

01:32:36.439 --> 01:32:40.600
that's why I don't like Ian at all. That's because

01:32:40.600 --> 01:32:42.859
he's... You guys were at the same gym for a while.

01:32:43.359 --> 01:32:48.100
But, like, I don't know. I know, like, other

01:32:48.100 --> 01:32:49.619
things and, like, things that happened. He's

01:32:49.619 --> 01:32:51.640
just that guy. Like, he's talked shit to me through

01:32:51.640 --> 01:32:54.859
another person. Like, me and my boy are at a

01:32:54.859 --> 01:32:56.479
fight, and he's talking shit to me through his

01:32:56.479 --> 01:33:00.300
phone. Bro, shut up. Stop letting your wife tell

01:33:00.300 --> 01:33:02.779
you what to do, bro. Shut up, you know? But,

01:33:02.819 --> 01:33:04.420
like, yeah, he walks over there, and he says

01:33:04.420 --> 01:33:06.159
something. Dude, he hits him hard on the back.

01:33:06.699 --> 01:33:11.609
And Shamaya just looks at him. Then he did what

01:33:11.609 --> 01:33:13.569
he did back or whatever and shoved him whatever

01:33:13.569 --> 01:33:15.529
the case what however that you saw the confrontation

01:33:15.529 --> 01:33:17.949
from there But yeah, he did he hit him and he

01:33:17.949 --> 01:33:20.470
told him he was like you like you hit me I'm

01:33:20.470 --> 01:33:22.649
gonna fuck you up. Like if you hit me like that

01:33:22.649 --> 01:33:25.329
again He tried to like Big Brother him like because

01:33:25.329 --> 01:33:28.270
the clip that everybody saw was after he slapped

01:33:28.270 --> 01:33:30.289
him on the back It looked like to my I've just

01:33:30.289 --> 01:33:32.390
got really aggressive. Yeah, there's the other

01:33:32.390 --> 01:33:36.710
angle Like keeps hitting him then shakes him

01:33:36.710 --> 01:33:40.000
as he walks away. Yeah And then he's talking

01:33:40.000 --> 01:33:42.420
a little shit. Yeah. Oh, we're fine. He's not

01:33:42.420 --> 01:33:44.039
going to do nothing. So it's a little weirdly

01:33:44.039 --> 01:33:45.939
aggressive. It ain't that bad. It's passive aggressive.

01:33:46.079 --> 01:33:49.720
It's a little weird. He taps him. It was like

01:33:49.720 --> 01:33:52.199
a little, like, grab his clothes and shove him

01:33:52.199 --> 01:33:54.420
a little bit. Yeah. It wasn't like a guy that's,

01:33:54.439 --> 01:33:56.600
hey, brother. Exactly. And that's what he said.

01:33:56.640 --> 01:33:58.159
He's like, good luck to you. Yeah. I have to

01:33:58.159 --> 01:33:59.960
give it to him. Like, some things Shamaya says

01:33:59.960 --> 01:34:02.600
are, like, he fought my boy G and he talked shit

01:34:02.600 --> 01:34:04.920
to him in the hallway. I didn't really like that.

01:34:04.979 --> 01:34:06.380
But, hey, y 'all two are going to fight. Y 'all

01:34:06.380 --> 01:34:08.649
are grown men. Do what y 'all want. Some things

01:34:08.649 --> 01:34:10.510
he might say or do, I don't like or agree with,

01:34:10.590 --> 01:34:12.270
but hey, as long as it's not to me, we good.

01:34:12.569 --> 01:34:15.369
But that, and other things he does, I fully agree

01:34:15.369 --> 01:34:18.609
with. As a man, I stand behind him. One of the

01:34:18.609 --> 01:34:20.409
things I like about Shamayev, after he fought

01:34:20.409 --> 01:34:22.750
Gilbert, Gilbert and him went to war, and then

01:34:22.750 --> 01:34:24.630
he was like, you're my brother now. You know

01:34:24.630 --> 01:34:27.069
what I mean? He was really cool with them. Yeah,

01:34:27.090 --> 01:34:30.470
you know, there's a young kid, Ansar, that trains

01:34:30.470 --> 01:34:34.319
at Kill Cliff, and he is so much. Like, demeanor

01:34:34.319 --> 01:34:36.359
-wise, from what I see of Chamayev, he's so much

01:34:36.359 --> 01:34:38.539
like that. Dude, I'm telling you, this kid's

01:34:38.539 --> 01:34:42.460
like 18 years old, and he is a stud. He's 18.

01:34:43.699 --> 01:34:46.439
He fought for me on my promotion, I think his

01:34:46.439 --> 01:34:49.159
debut. Dude, he goes and gets in the guy's face.

01:34:49.359 --> 01:34:51.460
The guy's coming down at weight class. He's going

01:34:51.460 --> 01:34:53.079
up at weight class. Ansar's going up at weight

01:34:53.079 --> 01:34:56.000
class. Dude, he don't care. Matter of fact, he's

01:34:56.000 --> 01:34:58.899
in that streamer's video, Neon or whatever, they

01:34:58.899 --> 01:35:01.829
post about it. He's the one. Like, throwing RDR

01:35:01.829 --> 01:35:05.750
around him. Really? Yeah. 18 -year -old kid?

01:35:06.010 --> 01:35:09.270
Dude, he gives everybody problems. Gilbert. Wow.

01:35:09.810 --> 01:35:12.529
Was throwing RDR around. Isn't it wild when there's,

01:35:12.550 --> 01:35:15.470
like, some weird young phenom that is just so

01:35:15.470 --> 01:35:17.229
much better than they're supposed to be when

01:35:17.229 --> 01:35:20.189
they're young? Dude. It's real odd when you're

01:35:20.189 --> 01:35:23.189
around those guys. There's three or four of them

01:35:23.189 --> 01:35:26.689
that, dude, I miss them a lot, like, when I left

01:35:26.689 --> 01:35:34.060
Florida. loyal humans like you barely find that

01:35:34.060 --> 01:35:36.479
nowadays as you know like you don't you don't

01:35:36.479 --> 01:35:38.479
find too many loyal guys and when they say like

01:35:38.479 --> 01:35:40.920
my brother they don't care if you're white black

01:35:40.920 --> 01:35:44.279
indian uh what your ethnicity is what's your

01:35:44.279 --> 01:35:46.380
religion they don't care they care about you

01:35:46.380 --> 01:35:49.100
and dude when when i got into it with marvin

01:35:49.100 --> 01:35:51.600
at the at the casino ansar wasn't even old enough

01:35:51.600 --> 01:35:53.819
to get in so he was like brother if i would have

01:35:53.819 --> 01:35:57.920
been there i hate him no problem then but there's

01:35:57.920 --> 01:36:01.720
like nikita uh umran john which is uh ansar's

01:36:01.720 --> 01:36:03.960
best friend there's like islam there's a couple

01:36:03.960 --> 01:36:07.300
of them uh that's a lie of there's like three

01:36:07.300 --> 01:36:09.880
to five and i'm telling you these guys especially

01:36:09.880 --> 01:36:15.520
like umran john there he is whoa that's a hell

01:36:15.520 --> 01:36:18.760
of a shot oh my goodness he is so good oh my

01:36:18.760 --> 01:36:20.960
goodness look how smooth he took that dude's

01:36:20.960 --> 01:36:22.960
back he just he just fought a couple weeks ago

01:36:22.960 --> 01:36:24.520
he knocked some dude out in the first round that

01:36:24.520 --> 01:36:28.199
was so smooth man oh my goodness oh he is on

01:36:28.199 --> 01:36:32.899
that back so quick Ants are so good. You know,

01:36:32.920 --> 01:36:35.460
there's one thing that these guys have in common

01:36:35.460 --> 01:36:38.680
is they're all from a hard part of the world,

01:36:38.779 --> 01:36:42.960
a fucking rough part of the world. Him and his

01:36:42.960 --> 01:36:46.319
best friend, Umranjan, they left home at like,

01:36:46.380 --> 01:36:49.140
I think he was 17, 18 years old. They just left

01:36:49.140 --> 01:36:51.039
home. We asked him like, hey, bro, why'd you

01:36:51.039 --> 01:36:52.760
leave home? How'd you leave home? Like, how'd

01:36:52.760 --> 01:36:55.239
you get here? They both said the same thing.

01:36:55.300 --> 01:36:58.619
Look, he's out. He's out. Referee. He's a savage.

01:36:59.100 --> 01:37:01.460
He trains 100%. He don't know anything other

01:37:01.460 --> 01:37:04.579
than 100 % every day. Multiple times. But we

01:37:04.579 --> 01:37:06.659
ask him, like, bro, how old is he now? I think

01:37:06.659 --> 01:37:10.159
he's 18, 19 max. Wow. Dude, he's a savage. He

01:37:10.159 --> 01:37:12.380
looks good. He's very good. He looks good, man.

01:37:12.380 --> 01:37:13.960
There's another one. If you're that good at 18,

01:37:14.140 --> 01:37:15.880
my goodness. He's going to be a stud. What's

01:37:15.880 --> 01:37:17.640
he going to be like when he's 30? Dude, I tell

01:37:17.640 --> 01:37:18.899
him all the time, like, man, if you just learn

01:37:18.899 --> 01:37:21.800
how to just take a breath and just be a little

01:37:21.800 --> 01:37:24.720
bit patient in certain positions. Well, that'll

01:37:24.720 --> 01:37:28.470
come. Exactly. But, man, he's fighting. good

01:37:28.470 --> 01:37:30.770
guys already like they all they all want to fight

01:37:30.770 --> 01:37:32.750
him uman john uman john was fighting like one

01:37:32.750 --> 01:37:35.029
or two weight classes up and he had a draw with

01:37:35.029 --> 01:37:36.989
a guy and he thought it was like you would think

01:37:36.989 --> 01:37:40.550
he lost the love of his life he had a draw because

01:37:40.550 --> 01:37:43.229
he was two weight classes up and uh like bro

01:37:43.229 --> 01:37:44.970
why don't you fight at your weight class brother

01:37:44.970 --> 01:37:48.449
i just smash i want to fight everyone everyone

01:37:48.449 --> 01:37:50.350
and they can't get fights they can barely ever

01:37:50.350 --> 01:37:53.710
get fights It's hard for phenoms to get fights

01:37:53.710 --> 01:37:56.109
in the amateurs and in the lower organizations.

01:37:56.329 --> 01:37:58.029
A lot of people don't realize that. It's really

01:37:58.029 --> 01:38:00.210
hard. Yeah. They come to me to match them, and

01:38:00.210 --> 01:38:02.130
you've got to pay the other guy more to fight

01:38:02.130 --> 01:38:05.529
because they already know what it is. It was

01:38:05.529 --> 01:38:07.770
hard. It was very hard. And so what weight is

01:38:07.770 --> 01:38:12.310
he at now? I think he's at 45. Damn. 45. That's

01:38:12.310 --> 01:38:15.130
his last one right there. No, no, that's not.

01:38:15.210 --> 01:38:17.069
That's another big takedown. Bro, look at the

01:38:17.069 --> 01:38:20.350
dude's hair he's fighting. That's what he does

01:38:20.350 --> 01:38:22.750
to everyone. Oh, my goodness. That is a crazy

01:38:22.750 --> 01:38:25.270
takedown. He's so exciting. I can't believe dudes

01:38:25.270 --> 01:38:26.930
are still holding on to guillotines when people

01:38:26.930 --> 01:38:28.630
get into side control. How many times do they

01:38:28.630 --> 01:38:33.369
watch Ovin St. Pru fight? It's crazy how many

01:38:33.369 --> 01:38:35.670
people still do that. They still keep that guillotine

01:38:35.670 --> 01:38:38.069
while a guy's in side control. That is a death

01:38:38.069 --> 01:38:40.649
sentence. And some people don't cash in on it.

01:38:40.909 --> 01:38:43.989
But if you just cinch those hands together, he

01:38:43.989 --> 01:38:46.550
can't get that ham out. That's it. Turn on your

01:38:46.550 --> 01:38:49.369
side. That's it. It's almost like giving up your

01:38:49.369 --> 01:38:51.390
neck. Exactly. It's like if someone gave up their

01:38:51.390 --> 01:38:52.810
back, everybody would be like, what are you doing?

01:38:53.149 --> 01:38:54.550
That's like what you're doing. If you're holding

01:38:54.550 --> 01:38:56.090
on to a guillotine and the guy's in side control,

01:38:56.270 --> 01:38:58.850
it literally is like giving up your back and

01:38:58.850 --> 01:39:01.569
exposing your neck. It's kind of crazy. It is.

01:39:01.750 --> 01:39:03.489
But I see these kids like this, and I'm just

01:39:03.489 --> 01:39:05.949
like, I used to be that kid, but these guys are

01:39:05.949 --> 01:39:08.130
even better. You know what I mean? It's scary

01:39:08.130 --> 01:39:11.329
how evolution is. But like I said, man, I asked

01:39:11.329 --> 01:39:12.430
these kids. I was like, man, why'd you leave

01:39:12.430 --> 01:39:14.170
home? How'd you leave home? How'd you get here?

01:39:14.779 --> 01:39:17.180
Him and his best friend left together. Their

01:39:17.180 --> 01:39:19.619
story both, same thing, different times. Like,

01:39:19.680 --> 01:39:22.619
brother, we just left one day. Our parents, we

01:39:22.619 --> 01:39:23.840
told our parents we were going to the store,

01:39:23.960 --> 01:39:28.619
never came back. What? You know? And just moved

01:39:28.619 --> 01:39:30.899
to America? Yeah, like, they somehow got here,

01:39:31.039 --> 01:39:33.760
and they've been here, and, dude, they work during

01:39:33.760 --> 01:39:35.859
the day. They move stuff. Like, they work for

01:39:35.859 --> 01:39:37.399
a moving company, and then they train. So they

01:39:37.399 --> 01:39:40.020
train in the morning. They go, they train, train,

01:39:40.260 --> 01:39:42.789
then they go work all night. All through the

01:39:42.789 --> 01:39:45.109
night, moving stuff, whatever they have to do,

01:39:45.149 --> 01:39:46.770
whatever their work is. But most of the time

01:39:46.770 --> 01:39:49.510
I see them moving stuff. And then they come back,

01:39:49.529 --> 01:39:51.710
train the next day. And they do this every single

01:39:51.710 --> 01:39:55.529
day, working their ass off, man. It's super impressive

01:39:55.529 --> 01:39:57.850
and it's super motivating too. But it just lets

01:39:57.850 --> 01:40:00.470
you know, like for me, I used to be that young

01:40:00.470 --> 01:40:04.930
cat. Everyone was 24, 25. I'm 17, 18. And I'm

01:40:04.930 --> 01:40:06.970
doing what I'm doing. And now I see these kids

01:40:06.970 --> 01:40:09.140
and I'm like. damn so that's what it was like

01:40:09.140 --> 01:40:11.380
when the older guys were looking at me but these

01:40:11.380 --> 01:40:14.180
guys are better forget when they get like complacent

01:40:14.180 --> 01:40:15.859
in their career and they become like a journeyman

01:40:15.859 --> 01:40:18.399
and they forget what it's like to be young and

01:40:18.399 --> 01:40:20.000
hungry and then they'll train with someone and

01:40:20.000 --> 01:40:22.840
that'll either make them retire or it'll reinvigorate

01:40:22.840 --> 01:40:26.020
them It's awesome. Because if you're around people

01:40:26.020 --> 01:40:28.300
that are that driven, it becomes contagious.

01:40:28.579 --> 01:40:30.520
It really does. Especially if you know that a

01:40:30.520 --> 01:40:32.920
guy is working all day and training that hard.

01:40:33.140 --> 01:40:35.899
You got no excuses. Right. And it's also just

01:40:35.899 --> 01:40:38.159
like when you're around people like that, there's

01:40:38.159 --> 01:40:41.359
an energy. It catches you. For sure. It moves

01:40:41.359 --> 01:40:43.899
you in its wake. It does. You're right. 100%.

01:40:43.899 --> 01:40:45.800
Because I get in my modes where I don't want

01:40:45.800 --> 01:40:47.760
to do nothing. I'm just like, man, screw this.

01:40:47.960 --> 01:40:50.279
I've done this long enough. Whatever. But then

01:40:50.279 --> 01:40:52.239
I go. I go back and, like, say today, for instance,

01:40:52.380 --> 01:40:54.300
I went and trained with Nicky Rod. They whooped

01:40:54.300 --> 01:40:56.220
my ass. I ain't going to lie to you. They whooped

01:40:56.220 --> 01:40:59.399
my ass. And I told them after, I was like, this

01:40:59.399 --> 01:41:01.720
should be illegal that y 'all just whooped me

01:41:01.720 --> 01:41:04.359
that bad. And they're like, yeah, but you ain't

01:41:04.359 --> 01:41:05.920
done nothing. And, you know, you don't do pure

01:41:05.920 --> 01:41:08.039
jiu -jitsu anymore. Like, we're the best in the

01:41:08.039 --> 01:41:09.579
world, like some of the best in the world at

01:41:09.579 --> 01:41:11.800
pure jiu -jitsu. It's true. I was like, yeah,

01:41:11.819 --> 01:41:13.739
but still, I shouldn't be getting walked like

01:41:13.739 --> 01:41:16.460
that. But it just makes me hungry. Nicky Rod

01:41:16.460 --> 01:41:18.390
does that to almost everybody. I love it, man.

01:41:18.649 --> 01:41:21.170
He's so big. He's such a freak. Dude, I told

01:41:21.170 --> 01:41:22.430
him today, I was like, how are you this big and

01:41:22.430 --> 01:41:25.729
move like this? This is illegal. Gordon told

01:41:25.729 --> 01:41:27.289
me there was a position once they were doing

01:41:27.289 --> 01:41:31.090
where they were working from the back and Gordon

01:41:31.090 --> 01:41:34.029
had his back and Nikki flipped over the top of

01:41:34.029 --> 01:41:37.170
him and wound up behind Gordon. And Gordon turns

01:41:37.170 --> 01:41:39.449
to John Donahue and goes, what the fuck am I

01:41:39.449 --> 01:41:41.779
supposed to do with that? Like, what do I do

01:41:41.779 --> 01:41:43.720
if that happens? It's like, well, Donahue was

01:41:43.720 --> 01:41:45.460
like, well, nobody could do that other than Nicky.

01:41:45.579 --> 01:41:47.880
Dude. That's how crazy that is. He's so sick.

01:41:48.039 --> 01:41:49.920
You know how nuts that is? Do a backflip from

01:41:49.920 --> 01:41:52.539
your knees? I couldn't. And go over the top of

01:41:52.539 --> 01:41:54.779
someone who's got your back? I can't even visualize

01:41:54.779 --> 01:41:56.619
it. Separate the hands. Somehow or another, he

01:41:56.619 --> 01:41:59.479
separated the hands and flipped over him. And

01:41:59.479 --> 01:42:01.380
Gordon was like, okay. Because Gordon would be

01:42:01.380 --> 01:42:02.800
the first to tell you, even though he's the best

01:42:02.800 --> 01:42:04.600
in the world and the best ever at no -gi jiu

01:42:04.600 --> 01:42:08.229
-jitsu. He's not an explosive guy. He's like,

01:42:08.569 --> 01:42:10.630
I'm not a good athlete. He's intelligent, though.

01:42:10.810 --> 01:42:13.270
Super, super intelligent. Super smart. Yeah,

01:42:13.329 --> 01:42:15.489
he's super intelligent. Super smart. I've listened

01:42:15.489 --> 01:42:17.289
to some of his, like, instructionals before.

01:42:17.869 --> 01:42:20.630
And, like, I know he did one at Rufusport a long

01:42:20.630 --> 01:42:22.789
time ago. And the guys told me after because

01:42:22.789 --> 01:42:24.630
I was obviously at home. And they were like,

01:42:24.689 --> 01:42:26.590
bro, he was in a wheelchair because I guess he

01:42:26.590 --> 01:42:28.529
had a surgery at the time and he was in a chair.

01:42:28.930 --> 01:42:31.619
And his lady was teaching. like she was teaching

01:42:31.619 --> 01:42:34.000
for him and he was walking through every single

01:42:34.000 --> 01:42:36.640
position they they all everyone said that was

01:42:36.640 --> 01:42:39.359
the best uh seminar they've ever been to he didn't

01:42:39.359 --> 01:42:41.640
he didn't get down there and teach one move that's

01:42:41.640 --> 01:42:44.060
incredible that's incredible i was like that's

01:42:44.060 --> 01:42:46.079
impressive well you could if you could do a seminar

01:42:46.079 --> 01:42:48.720
from a wheelchair jesus christ dude impressive

01:42:48.720 --> 01:42:51.119
you know wagner says the same thing he's like

01:42:51.119 --> 01:42:54.189
bro he's the best guy ever trained with learn

01:42:54.189 --> 01:42:57.050
from anything he's he's amazing so i've heard

01:42:57.050 --> 01:42:58.710
it from a lot i've heard a lot of the guy though

01:42:58.710 --> 01:43:02.670
that's 365 days a year of training because period

01:43:02.670 --> 01:43:05.430
there's no days off fuck your christmas fuck

01:43:05.430 --> 01:43:08.050
your birthday there's no days off which is so

01:43:08.050 --> 01:43:11.270
crazy yeah think of but The way they put it and

01:43:11.270 --> 01:43:13.710
the way Donaher put it is like if you are training

01:43:13.710 --> 01:43:16.270
200 days a year, that is a lot, but you will

01:43:16.270 --> 01:43:18.090
not be able to beat a guy who's training 365

01:43:18.090 --> 01:43:22.130
days a year because he has 165 more training

01:43:22.130 --> 01:43:24.310
sessions a year. So over the course of two years,

01:43:24.390 --> 01:43:28.789
now he has 300 plus, then 400. It keeps going

01:43:28.789 --> 01:43:30.409
and going. So over the course of five years,

01:43:30.590 --> 01:43:32.890
he's trained so much more than you. It's true.

01:43:33.369 --> 01:43:36.210
And it's not just training. It's like when they're

01:43:36.210 --> 01:43:38.489
not physically training, they're going over tape.

01:43:39.130 --> 01:43:43.090
all day right like which is like it's hard to

01:43:43.090 --> 01:43:45.810
do that and to keep your mind focused on that

01:43:45.810 --> 01:43:47.890
they're writing things down they're going over

01:43:47.890 --> 01:43:50.550
positions it's not just all hard physical work

01:43:50.550 --> 01:43:53.210
it's intelligent it's a lot of breaking things

01:43:53.210 --> 01:43:56.170
down a lot of like the finer points of technique

01:43:56.170 --> 01:43:58.409
and positioning it's it's funny you say that

01:43:58.409 --> 01:44:00.029
because it's like for me like when we were talking

01:44:00.029 --> 01:44:02.689
earlier about how like time off it reinvigorates

01:44:02.689 --> 01:44:10.020
your mind it's like that's what it a hundred

01:44:10.020 --> 01:44:12.640
reps in a day of like things that I've screwed

01:44:12.640 --> 01:44:15.020
up on, like throwing a jab wrong or leaving my

01:44:15.020 --> 01:44:17.739
hand down or like in my head, my mental reps.

01:44:17.840 --> 01:44:20.680
And then somehow when I do go train again, it's

01:44:20.680 --> 01:44:22.739
just so weird. Like my body just automatically

01:44:22.739 --> 01:44:24.859
does it. Like say I throw the jab and I just

01:44:24.859 --> 01:44:26.579
bring it back to my chest. I don't want it there.

01:44:26.600 --> 01:44:30.180
I want it on my chin. I do so many mental reps

01:44:30.180 --> 01:44:32.439
of this for like a week or two weeks or however

01:44:32.439 --> 01:44:34.800
long I'm out. By the time I spar again, I'm not

01:44:34.800 --> 01:44:37.390
doing it no more. Like I do so many mental reps

01:44:37.390 --> 01:44:40.149
focused on such little details. But then outside

01:44:40.149 --> 01:44:42.470
of that, I really take my time. I try to take

01:44:42.470 --> 01:44:44.670
my time away from fighting. Like when I'm not

01:44:44.670 --> 01:44:47.170
training for the most part, like especially like

01:44:47.170 --> 01:44:49.050
the month after the fight, I don't want to hear

01:44:49.050 --> 01:44:50.949
about fighting. I don't want to talk about fighting.

01:44:51.329 --> 01:44:52.850
That's why I stay away from like most people

01:44:52.850 --> 01:44:55.130
that don't know me. I don't want to talk because

01:44:55.130 --> 01:44:56.770
anytime they see me, oh, what do you think about

01:44:56.770 --> 01:44:59.439
this fight? What's next? I don't know, man. You

01:44:59.439 --> 01:45:03.039
just want to let your motivation return. I just

01:45:03.039 --> 01:45:04.399
want to be with my family. I want to be a normal

01:45:04.399 --> 01:45:05.920
person. Because one day fighting is not going

01:45:05.920 --> 01:45:07.659
to be there for me. It's always been there for

01:45:07.659 --> 01:45:11.619
me since I was 13. When I had anxiety about something,

01:45:11.680 --> 01:45:14.460
stress, heartbreak, whatever it is, it's always

01:45:14.460 --> 01:45:16.079
been there for me. And that's when I always grew.

01:45:17.100 --> 01:45:20.800
But the end is a lot closer than the beginning.

01:45:20.960 --> 01:45:23.420
Right. That's where I'm at in my life. And I

01:45:23.420 --> 01:45:24.840
know that. So I'm trying to make the most of

01:45:24.840 --> 01:45:27.569
it and try. You think about like high end, you

01:45:27.569 --> 01:45:29.989
got 10 years, if that's really possible. Maybe.

01:45:30.050 --> 01:45:33.010
It's not usually. And usually the last few are

01:45:33.010 --> 01:45:36.109
rough because the last few years, like Anderson

01:45:36.109 --> 01:45:39.300
after he broke his leg. Right. Right. So I say

01:45:39.300 --> 01:45:41.079
there's like two Andersons. There's Anderson

01:45:41.079 --> 01:45:43.640
pre -Weidman and post -Weidman. For sure. There's

01:45:43.640 --> 01:45:45.159
the knockout where Weidman caught him at the

01:45:45.159 --> 01:45:46.739
left hook, and then there's the leg break in

01:45:46.739 --> 01:45:48.539
the rematch. And then from then, he's never been

01:45:48.539 --> 01:45:50.840
Anderson again. Correct. And I think the injury

01:45:50.840 --> 01:45:52.500
has a lot to do with it, but it's also father

01:45:52.500 --> 01:45:54.939
time. I don't think we got Anderson in the UFC

01:45:54.939 --> 01:45:57.539
until he was 34. It was a while because he was

01:45:57.539 --> 01:46:00.039
already big on the other scenes. Huge, bro. That

01:46:00.039 --> 01:46:02.939
was one of them fights where... People didn't

01:46:02.939 --> 01:46:05.220
really know Anderson that well. And he was fighting

01:46:05.220 --> 01:46:08.140
Chris Lieben. And the odds were Anderson was

01:46:08.140 --> 01:46:10.619
the favorite, but not by enough. And I was telling

01:46:10.619 --> 01:46:14.000
my friend, I'm like, bet the house on the Brazilian.

01:46:14.039 --> 01:46:17.000
I go, bet the house. Because he was coming off

01:46:17.000 --> 01:46:19.420
of that. Remember Cage Rage? Yeah. So he was

01:46:19.420 --> 01:46:22.439
coming off of the Lee Murray fight. He was coming

01:46:22.439 --> 01:46:24.140
off. Who did he fight over there as well? He

01:46:24.140 --> 01:46:27.239
fought Jorge Rivera. That was a big fight. There

01:46:27.239 --> 01:46:29.079
was a Tony Fricklin one where he did that crazy

01:46:29.079 --> 01:46:31.619
step in elbow. Oh, yeah. That's all. the highlight

01:46:31.619 --> 01:46:32.939
of that i didn't know that was named but i know

01:46:32.939 --> 01:46:34.960
that the elbow you're talking about that elbow

01:46:34.960 --> 01:46:37.439
do you know he had a practice with his wife because

01:46:37.439 --> 01:46:40.060
uh his coach wouldn't let him try it really his

01:46:40.060 --> 01:46:41.779
coach was like stop doing that you're not gonna

01:46:41.779 --> 01:46:44.159
do that he goes i'm gonna hit him with this he's

01:46:44.159 --> 01:46:45.720
like no you're not gonna do that stop training

01:46:45.720 --> 01:46:47.800
that so we didn't want to train that so he told

01:46:47.800 --> 01:46:50.140
his wife to hold a pillow so his wife was holding

01:46:50.140 --> 01:46:54.989
a pillow at home and he was going like this Over

01:46:54.989 --> 01:46:57.069
and over again. He was just practicing it. No

01:46:57.069 --> 01:46:59.630
way. He wanted to do some on -box shit. What

01:46:59.630 --> 01:47:01.829
a great story to have. Bro, that was Anderson.

01:47:02.189 --> 01:47:05.229
People saw him in his prime for sure, obviously,

01:47:05.289 --> 01:47:06.489
because he's one of the greatest of all time,

01:47:06.550 --> 01:47:09.210
but they didn't see that transition to him becoming

01:47:09.210 --> 01:47:11.789
in his prime, and that was in Cage Rage. Because

01:47:11.789 --> 01:47:14.250
he had some really good fights in Pride, but

01:47:14.250 --> 01:47:16.159
then when he went to Cage Rage, like... Something

01:47:16.159 --> 01:47:19.180
flipped, man. You know how it is with Oliveira

01:47:19.180 --> 01:47:20.840
when it happened to him after he had his kid?

01:47:21.220 --> 01:47:23.739
Something flips sometimes when a fighter just

01:47:23.739 --> 01:47:26.460
locks in and then they become who they really

01:47:26.460 --> 01:47:28.899
are. Yeah, who everyone around them knows because

01:47:28.899 --> 01:47:30.560
they've seen it in the gym, but no one else has

01:47:30.560 --> 01:47:35.060
seen it. It's weird. I always say that about

01:47:35.060 --> 01:47:40.180
myself. I'm still not the guy that everyone knows

01:47:40.180 --> 01:47:42.779
in the gym. I show a little bit more every time,

01:47:42.840 --> 01:47:45.300
but I'm not even... that that guy well maybe

01:47:45.300 --> 01:47:47.739
this changing of environment and coaching will

01:47:47.739 --> 01:47:50.159
allow you to hit that spot the coaching like

01:47:50.159 --> 01:47:53.000
you were talking about earlier right it has been

01:47:53.000 --> 01:47:56.180
the hardest thing for me to let go like of control

01:47:56.180 --> 01:47:59.060
and give it to someone else but it took it was

01:47:59.060 --> 01:48:01.020
kind of one of those things I met Horacio and

01:48:01.020 --> 01:48:03.600
Mike and I have obviously a lot of trust and

01:48:03.600 --> 01:48:05.119
a lot of faith in Bilal I've known him for a

01:48:05.119 --> 01:48:08.239
long time and I see what he's done but I met

01:48:08.239 --> 01:48:13.489
these guys and Max too um I met him for five

01:48:13.489 --> 01:48:16.710
days when I was with Bilal and uh to watch sit

01:48:16.710 --> 01:48:18.750
back and watch them also have my own interactions

01:48:18.750 --> 01:48:21.029
with them it just felt like you know one of those

01:48:21.029 --> 01:48:22.670
things you just feel like you're friends instantly

01:48:22.670 --> 01:48:24.390
like you've known each other forever and that's

01:48:24.390 --> 01:48:26.229
kind of what that connection was with them so

01:48:26.229 --> 01:48:28.229
honestly it was a little bit easier than normal

01:48:28.229 --> 01:48:31.590
to let go of like um the control of like controlling

01:48:32.109 --> 01:48:33.430
What I'm going to do, when I'm going to do it,

01:48:33.470 --> 01:48:35.510
the strategy. Did you think about other camps

01:48:35.510 --> 01:48:38.050
as well? I didn't think I was going to leave,

01:48:38.109 --> 01:48:39.829
to be honest with you. I didn't think I was going

01:48:39.829 --> 01:48:41.390
to leave Florida. I was just going there to help

01:48:41.390 --> 01:48:43.189
my friend and just kind of see what I could do

01:48:43.189 --> 01:48:45.510
differently, what I could change in my own thing.

01:48:47.649 --> 01:48:51.310
But then, obviously, my goal after being there,

01:48:51.390 --> 01:48:53.710
because he was getting ready for Jack, Bilal

01:48:53.710 --> 01:48:55.710
was. So I watched everything. I helped him for

01:48:55.710 --> 01:49:00.229
a few days. And then I went back. I fought Marvin.

01:49:01.490 --> 01:49:06.329
And I was at I did two or three weeks with Chicago

01:49:06.329 --> 01:49:10.550
two weeks. I did two weeks. Excuse me. I did

01:49:10.550 --> 01:49:14.470
two weeks and then I did like four or five in

01:49:14.470 --> 01:49:16.090
Florida. So I was like, OK, next time I'm just

01:49:16.090 --> 01:49:18.529
going to do split it four and four, you know,

01:49:18.529 --> 01:49:21.289
spend my time mix and match because it was great

01:49:21.289 --> 01:49:24.810
time like for me. Then I fought the writer. He

01:49:24.810 --> 01:49:27.270
was there and I was like, I don't know. It didn't

01:49:27.270 --> 01:49:30.079
sit well with me how all that stuff went. like

01:49:30.079 --> 01:49:31.819
how he got there and everything and everyone

01:49:31.819 --> 01:49:33.840
was like oh why is he fighting him their teammates

01:49:33.840 --> 01:49:35.560
and i told everyone from the beginning like you

01:49:35.560 --> 01:49:37.300
can ask gilbert burns because he said it on his

01:49:37.300 --> 01:49:40.000
little podcast thing he did i always said i'm

01:49:40.000 --> 01:49:41.560
not gonna train with him i'm gonna fight him

01:49:41.560 --> 01:49:45.880
one day i'm good no animosity i just don't need

01:49:45.880 --> 01:49:49.979
no more friends i just don't right um i have

01:49:49.979 --> 01:49:51.619
enough guys the guys that i know that i'm friends

01:49:51.619 --> 01:49:55.359
with joe peiffer rod uh gregory rodriguez uh

01:49:55.359 --> 01:49:58.380
by sangor Those are guys that are going to be

01:49:58.380 --> 01:50:00.680
at the top or at the top that we have agreements

01:50:00.680 --> 01:50:03.439
only for a belt. I'll fight anyone on this planet

01:50:03.439 --> 01:50:05.819
for a belt. Anyone. And I expect the same in

01:50:05.819 --> 01:50:07.979
return because it could change their lives or

01:50:07.979 --> 01:50:12.340
my own. So they know that about me. But no matter

01:50:12.340 --> 01:50:14.380
what the time frame is, if you say yes to me

01:50:14.380 --> 01:50:17.300
or you say my name, we're going to fight. That's

01:50:17.300 --> 01:50:20.140
it. That's how I feel. But those guys are the

01:50:20.140 --> 01:50:22.319
guys that I have with. And now they're all coming

01:50:22.319 --> 01:50:25.289
to the top. So it's like. You know, someday it's

01:50:25.289 --> 01:50:28.010
probably going to happen. Well, Dana hates hearing

01:50:28.010 --> 01:50:30.789
that kind of shit. Like, guys won't fight friends.

01:50:30.970 --> 01:50:32.869
Yeah, but I'll fight for a belt, though. Anyone

01:50:32.869 --> 01:50:34.890
on the whole planet. Godzilla, I'll fight for

01:50:34.890 --> 01:50:36.770
the whole belt. I don't care. And Ganu, I'll

01:50:36.770 --> 01:50:38.390
fight him for a belt. I don't care. Like, you

01:50:38.390 --> 01:50:40.109
know what I mean? Like, it could change my whole

01:50:40.109 --> 01:50:42.710
life. Like, my family's. Sure, yeah. So, like,

01:50:42.750 --> 01:50:45.369
I'm very realistic. Because, obviously, even

01:50:45.369 --> 01:50:48.449
if you love to do this, at this level, it's about

01:50:48.449 --> 01:50:51.640
the money, too. You know, it's financial freedom

01:50:51.640 --> 01:50:55.680
making intelligent choices because one slip -up

01:50:55.680 --> 01:50:58.319
could set you back two years Yeah, I'm learning

01:50:58.319 --> 01:51:01.369
now Yeah. I learned that the hard way. Well,

01:51:01.470 --> 01:51:03.369
that's also important to learn, right? It's also

01:51:03.369 --> 01:51:05.689
important to have those setbacks. Those setbacks

01:51:05.689 --> 01:51:07.250
are some of the most important growth points

01:51:07.250 --> 01:51:09.289
in your career, in anybody's career, if you do

01:51:09.289 --> 01:51:13.010
it right. Those setbacks are when you feel that

01:51:13.010 --> 01:51:16.189
ugliness and then you really have to assess what

01:51:16.189 --> 01:51:17.930
could I have done differently? What am I doing

01:51:17.930 --> 01:51:20.770
wrong? Is there something about my mindset? Is

01:51:20.770 --> 01:51:22.329
there something about my diet? Is there something

01:51:22.329 --> 01:51:24.949
about my recovery? Am I doing too much of this

01:51:24.949 --> 01:51:27.609
or too little of that? You have to have that

01:51:27.609 --> 01:51:29.949
pain. If everything is just going great, the

01:51:29.949 --> 01:51:32.869
thing going into the fight was Aspinall's every

01:51:32.869 --> 01:51:34.750
fight other than the Curtis Blades fight was

01:51:34.750 --> 01:51:37.430
a one round fight. It was him blowing guys out.

01:51:37.510 --> 01:51:40.090
And so no one really knew what was going to happen

01:51:40.090 --> 01:51:42.649
if we got into round three, round four, round

01:51:42.649 --> 01:51:44.930
five. And so that question's always hovering

01:51:44.930 --> 01:51:47.949
over the head. When a guy like you who's been

01:51:47.949 --> 01:51:50.869
in those wars and been in the trenches, you've

01:51:50.869 --> 01:51:53.739
already had, that's a blessing. It really is

01:51:53.739 --> 01:51:56.560
a blessing because it gives you not just the

01:51:56.560 --> 01:51:58.960
motivation to return better than you were before.

01:51:59.140 --> 01:52:01.140
Like look at Bo Nickel after he lost, right?

01:52:01.239 --> 01:52:04.600
He loses to Derrida, comes back and smokes Adolfo

01:52:04.600 --> 01:52:07.060
Vieira. Looked like a different guy. Looks like

01:52:07.060 --> 01:52:09.750
a different guy. Why? Because of that. There's

01:52:09.750 --> 01:52:13.510
a blessing in losing. There's a blessing in failure.

01:52:13.789 --> 01:52:17.630
There really is. Because if you can swallow it,

01:52:17.729 --> 01:52:20.829
it will give you a fucking furnace inside you

01:52:20.829 --> 01:52:23.289
to come back stronger. If you can swallow it,

01:52:23.329 --> 01:52:25.149
but some guys can't swallow it. They choke on

01:52:25.149 --> 01:52:28.470
it and they cry and maybe their confidence gets

01:52:28.470 --> 01:52:30.210
shattered and they're never the same again. Or

01:52:30.210 --> 01:52:32.529
maybe they go, why am I doing this? I could be

01:52:32.529 --> 01:52:35.409
a carpenter. I always wanted to play drums. I've

01:52:35.409 --> 01:52:37.340
thought of that. I thought of that, but I don't

01:52:37.340 --> 01:52:38.699
want to go back to being a carpenter. I'm good

01:52:38.699 --> 01:52:40.979
with that. A guy like Tom Aspinall, when he gets

01:52:40.979 --> 01:52:44.500
to a fight with a guy like Ngannou or a guy who's

01:52:44.500 --> 01:52:47.279
going to be there, those questions, and I'm not

01:52:47.279 --> 01:52:48.960
saying that he wouldn't succeed. I'm not saying

01:52:48.960 --> 01:52:52.039
he wouldn't win. But those questions might be

01:52:52.039 --> 01:52:54.500
in your head because you haven't been in those

01:52:54.500 --> 01:52:57.279
high -profile wars before where you came up short.

01:52:57.819 --> 01:53:01.479
You know, I still get those questions. I'm such

01:53:01.479 --> 01:53:04.069
a perfectionist. And I know nothing will ever

01:53:04.069 --> 01:53:06.289
be perfect, but I want as close to it as I can

01:53:06.289 --> 01:53:09.270
get. That's a great mindset. I find something.

01:53:09.350 --> 01:53:11.750
I will always find something to be negative.

01:53:11.810 --> 01:53:13.890
But what's helped me is I had a sports psychiatrist

01:53:13.890 --> 01:53:18.550
for a while. He was great. And I learned a lot

01:53:18.550 --> 01:53:21.810
with him. And for me, it's been about, like,

01:53:21.850 --> 01:53:23.890
I'm very, like, open with people that I care

01:53:23.890 --> 01:53:25.989
about and that I know care solely about me. They're

01:53:25.989 --> 01:53:28.279
not worried about if I win or lose. You know,

01:53:28.319 --> 01:53:30.000
all that stuff. The fame. They're not worried

01:53:30.000 --> 01:53:32.220
about that. They care about me as a person. And

01:53:32.220 --> 01:53:33.819
that was something that was great with Bilal

01:53:33.819 --> 01:53:35.760
and Horacio and all the guys in Chicago. Mike,

01:53:35.840 --> 01:53:38.800
Max. You know, we talk regularly. How are you,

01:53:38.840 --> 01:53:41.260
man? How's the family? Everything good? But I'm

01:53:41.260 --> 01:53:43.020
very open with them leading up to the fight.

01:53:43.079 --> 01:53:45.180
Like, there's a clip from behind the scenes of

01:53:45.180 --> 01:53:47.579
the last fight where I'm open and they catch

01:53:47.579 --> 01:53:50.420
it. Like, this is me being vulnerable of who

01:53:50.420 --> 01:53:52.659
I am. I was too manly or whatever or trying to

01:53:52.659 --> 01:53:55.239
suppress it before where it just grew into something

01:53:55.239 --> 01:53:58.600
bigger. And I would mentally shut down. Malkoon

01:53:58.600 --> 01:54:00.359
was the worst fight for me for that. I was shaking

01:54:00.359 --> 01:54:03.359
in the bed the night before, like I was freezing,

01:54:03.619 --> 01:54:05.699
but I wasn't. I was so nervous of like, I can't

01:54:05.699 --> 01:54:07.300
lose to this guy. He's not on my level. And then

01:54:07.300 --> 01:54:09.819
I go out there and perform not that well. So

01:54:09.819 --> 01:54:12.279
your mind was fucking you. Yeah, because I find

01:54:12.279 --> 01:54:14.100
one negative thing and I just focus and I make

01:54:14.100 --> 01:54:17.659
it huge. I think it's good sometimes. I think

01:54:17.659 --> 01:54:20.020
it's good sometimes, but it's like almost like

01:54:20.020 --> 01:54:22.260
you have to be critical, but yet also confident.

01:54:22.380 --> 01:54:25.420
Right. And I would take my confidence away. by

01:54:25.420 --> 01:54:27.899
focusing on it. But being able to talk about

01:54:27.899 --> 01:54:29.840
it, like, again, they had that moment. I have

01:54:29.840 --> 01:54:31.479
it on my Instagram. They made a clip or whatever

01:54:31.479 --> 01:54:36.319
for me. And it's just literally, it was two nights

01:54:36.319 --> 01:54:38.199
before the fight, three nights before the fight.

01:54:38.460 --> 01:54:40.600
And we're talking, and I'm telling him, bro,

01:54:40.699 --> 01:54:44.189
he could get me down. He could finish me. But

01:54:44.189 --> 01:54:45.689
if he finishes me on the ground, he's got to

01:54:45.689 --> 01:54:48.689
be just that good. But I'm nervous, man. I'm

01:54:48.689 --> 01:54:49.850
nervous that I'm not going to go out here and

01:54:49.850 --> 01:54:52.189
perform to what I know that I can do. To me,

01:54:52.210 --> 01:54:53.949
that's the worst. I don't mind losing to someone

01:54:53.949 --> 01:54:56.470
that's better than me. I can take it. I haven't

01:54:56.470 --> 01:54:59.729
found that man yet, but I know it's going to

01:54:59.729 --> 01:55:03.130
happen. But to lose to someone truly better than

01:55:03.130 --> 01:55:05.970
me, I can accept it. But to lose to myself, oh,

01:55:06.130 --> 01:55:09.079
man, to look in the mirror. It eats me alive.

01:55:09.520 --> 01:55:11.739
I think those things that can creep into your

01:55:11.739 --> 01:55:13.979
head before a fight where I don't want to lose,

01:55:14.159 --> 01:55:16.060
I don't want to disappoint people, I don't want

01:55:16.060 --> 01:55:19.300
to do this, then that is a really bad time to

01:55:19.300 --> 01:55:21.199
have those thoughts. It's not a bad time to have

01:55:21.199 --> 01:55:22.640
those thoughts when you're working on stuff.

01:55:22.859 --> 01:55:24.720
It's not a bad time to have those thoughts if

01:55:24.720 --> 01:55:26.159
you're really trying to motivate yourself to

01:55:26.159 --> 01:55:27.939
get up in the morning and run or whatever it

01:55:27.939 --> 01:55:30.199
is, to really get after it and strengthen conditioning.

01:55:31.100 --> 01:55:33.699
But when you're fighting, you have to have a

01:55:33.699 --> 01:55:36.479
strategy of how to squash those thoughts when

01:55:36.479 --> 01:55:38.739
they come up. I mean, it's not just fighting.

01:55:38.800 --> 01:55:40.380
Anybody who's listening to this, anything in

01:55:40.380 --> 01:55:41.939
life that you have to do that's really difficult

01:55:41.939 --> 01:55:46.520
and scares you, you've got to know how to squash

01:55:46.520 --> 01:55:49.359
negative thoughts before they burn your house

01:55:49.359 --> 01:55:52.779
down. Like when you see the fire, stomp that

01:55:52.779 --> 01:55:55.140
bitch out quick. Stomp it out quick and then...

01:55:55.529 --> 01:55:58.109
Make sure that you're starting to really only

01:55:58.109 --> 01:56:00.770
focus on positive things and never let it get

01:56:00.770 --> 01:56:03.729
until those little creepy demon thoughts They'll

01:56:03.729 --> 01:56:06.510
get in and then they start running around They

01:56:06.510 --> 01:56:08.789
start running around they start screaming and

01:56:08.789 --> 01:56:10.869
taking over your brain You're like get out of

01:56:10.869 --> 01:56:12.750
my head get out of my head, but they're already

01:56:12.750 --> 01:56:15.789
in there you let him in you let him in and Sometimes

01:56:15.789 --> 01:56:17.329
they have to burn your house down before you

01:56:17.329 --> 01:56:19.989
realize what the danger is of them getting inside

01:56:19.989 --> 01:56:22.130
your head. Right. And so then the next time,

01:56:22.149 --> 01:56:24.170
you've got to come up with a strategy to squash

01:56:24.170 --> 01:56:26.710
it before it gets too crazy. We did a lot of,

01:56:26.770 --> 01:56:28.989
like, at the beginning of, like, Sports Psychiatrists,

01:56:29.010 --> 01:56:31.149
like, that was one thing, right? Like, I would

01:56:31.149 --> 01:56:33.229
suppress it right away and suppress it and try

01:56:33.229 --> 01:56:34.810
to creep back through and I'd suppress it again.

01:56:35.170 --> 01:56:37.270
But then it just gets bigger and stronger to

01:56:37.270 --> 01:56:38.970
where it can just come out. And you don't know

01:56:38.970 --> 01:56:40.289
when it's going to come out. It could be the

01:56:40.289 --> 01:56:41.609
night of the fight. It could be the day before

01:56:41.609 --> 01:56:43.729
the fight. It could be in the fight, you know?

01:56:43.970 --> 01:56:46.880
So it's like taking it in. Whatever that emotion

01:56:46.880 --> 01:56:50.399
is for you, dissecting it, like literally get

01:56:50.399 --> 01:56:52.579
to the root of why you think this. Like, oh,

01:56:52.619 --> 01:56:54.720
I think he can knock me out if I dissect it.

01:56:54.859 --> 01:56:57.060
Well, yeah, he's knocked a lot of guys out, but

01:56:57.060 --> 01:56:59.180
anyone can knock anyone out. Right. Anyone can.

01:56:59.300 --> 01:57:01.159
So what are you nervous of? You've done this

01:57:01.159 --> 01:57:03.729
like for me over 30 times. What are you worried

01:57:03.729 --> 01:57:05.449
about? You fought on the biggest level. You've

01:57:05.449 --> 01:57:07.689
main evented. You're ranked in the world. You

01:57:07.689 --> 01:57:09.229
fought some of the best in the world. Like, what

01:57:09.229 --> 01:57:10.970
are you worried about? You let a demon sneak

01:57:10.970 --> 01:57:13.670
into your brain. Yeah, you know? And once I dissect

01:57:13.670 --> 01:57:16.489
it, I've worked on it like that so well. And

01:57:16.489 --> 01:57:19.310
being open and honest with my coaches and, like,

01:57:19.350 --> 01:57:20.630
the people that I care about and they care about

01:57:20.630 --> 01:57:23.810
me has been such a great, like, thing for me.

01:57:23.869 --> 01:57:26.170
I'm kind of the guy, like, sometimes, like, just

01:57:26.170 --> 01:57:28.390
I've learned about myself is just, like, just

01:57:28.390 --> 01:57:31.329
let me talk. Sometimes. I'm not a big talker,

01:57:31.350 --> 01:57:34.329
but just let me talk. You don't even have to

01:57:34.329 --> 01:57:36.170
say nothing, but damn, that's all right, bro.

01:57:37.289 --> 01:57:39.710
That's why Tuco, who you always see me with normally,

01:57:39.810 --> 01:57:42.090
he's always with me. Bro, he's the best at just

01:57:42.090 --> 01:57:45.569
listening to me. It's not very often, but when

01:57:45.569 --> 01:57:49.649
I do want to talk, I'm like, bro, he'll ask me,

01:57:49.689 --> 01:57:50.970
what's wrong? I'm like, I don't think you want

01:57:50.970 --> 01:57:52.930
to hear it today. I'm like, I'm good. He'll ask

01:57:52.930 --> 01:57:54.130
me that a couple times. Eventually, I'll just

01:57:54.130 --> 01:57:56.970
let it out, and then I'm good. I'm good. It's

01:57:56.970 --> 01:57:58.989
almost like you have to tell somebody what's

01:57:58.989 --> 01:58:00.569
going on inside your head, and if you keep it

01:58:00.569 --> 01:58:03.930
inside your head. There's the wings. The wings

01:58:03.930 --> 01:58:08.569
are coming. Demons. Flying monkeys. Throwing

01:58:08.569 --> 01:58:10.829
firebombs inside your head. Launching them. Wizard

01:58:10.829 --> 01:58:13.869
of Oz. Launching them, bro. So it's like, that's

01:58:13.869 --> 01:58:16.630
been great for me. That's really helped. I've

01:58:16.630 --> 01:58:19.189
had a couple younger kids that have asked me,

01:58:19.310 --> 01:58:21.189
oh, how's that? And I turned them on to my guy

01:58:21.189 --> 01:58:23.770
that I used to use. What did you do with the

01:58:23.770 --> 01:58:26.689
psychiatrist? What were the sessions like? We

01:58:26.689 --> 01:58:27.989
would talk about things like this. He'd have

01:58:27.989 --> 01:58:29.710
worksheets and stuff like this. But you know

01:58:29.710 --> 01:58:32.090
what really, really sunk in? So first we worked

01:58:32.090 --> 01:58:35.569
on learning to catch emotions. He called it something.

01:58:35.810 --> 01:58:38.369
But learning to catch different emotions before

01:58:38.369 --> 01:58:41.550
they grow. Stop the fire. Stop the fire before

01:58:41.550 --> 01:58:43.090
it burns your house down. So like recognizing.

01:58:43.369 --> 01:58:45.630
First is recognizing. Anything you have to recognize.

01:58:45.710 --> 01:58:48.550
If you recognize it 30 minutes the first time.

01:58:48.939 --> 01:58:51.100
All right, let's try for 25 the next time. Don't

01:58:51.100 --> 01:58:52.720
let it, like you thought on it for 30 minutes

01:58:52.720 --> 01:58:53.720
and you're like, fuck, why am I thinking about

01:58:53.720 --> 01:58:56.060
this? Right. Let's do 25. So keep it until you

01:58:56.060 --> 01:58:58.739
can get it like right away. Then we dissect it

01:58:58.739 --> 01:59:01.399
and then we move on about our day. Things that

01:59:01.399 --> 01:59:03.699
helped me at the beginning were like. Does it

01:59:03.699 --> 01:59:06.000
help you talking with a different person, like

01:59:06.000 --> 01:59:08.579
another person about this rather than just bouncing

01:59:08.579 --> 01:59:11.350
it off your own head? Yes, for sure. Something

01:59:11.350 --> 01:59:13.310
about talking to another person makes it real.

01:59:13.449 --> 01:59:16.369
Yeah, and it just gets it out. I'm holding it

01:59:16.369 --> 01:59:17.949
in, holding it in, holding it in. As soon as

01:59:17.949 --> 01:59:21.130
I talk, it's literally leaving my body. The stress

01:59:21.130 --> 01:59:22.869
just kind of like... And sometimes they have

01:59:22.869 --> 01:59:26.250
good things to say, things like that. My sports

01:59:26.250 --> 01:59:27.529
psychiatrist was the one that told me those things.

01:59:27.609 --> 01:59:29.550
Like, bro, you've done this how many times? You

01:59:29.550 --> 01:59:31.930
fought these guys? Did he ever work with fighters

01:59:31.930 --> 01:59:34.640
before? He was working with a small team in New

01:59:34.640 --> 01:59:37.699
Orleans. And now he's got other guys in the UFC

01:59:37.699 --> 01:59:39.380
now because they would ask me and I'd turn them

01:59:39.380 --> 01:59:41.760
on. He's great. His name's Eric. He's really

01:59:41.760 --> 01:59:42.979
great. He's from New Orleans. Because I would

01:59:42.979 --> 01:59:44.760
think if a guy was a sports psychiatrist like

01:59:44.760 --> 01:59:47.560
tennis, it's like some things would carry over,

01:59:47.659 --> 01:59:49.819
but it's a very different thing. And he trained

01:59:49.819 --> 01:59:52.000
as well. He grew up wrestling and stuff. Perfect

01:59:52.000 --> 01:59:55.720
guy then. Exactly. And it just worked out great,

01:59:55.739 --> 01:59:58.340
man. I learned a lot. I kind of figured out what

01:59:58.340 --> 02:00:00.359
worked for me. So I was like, all right. And

02:00:00.359 --> 02:00:04.210
I get so busy. another thing he gave me was uh

02:00:04.210 --> 02:00:07.210
you read it the day like after you weigh in you

02:00:07.210 --> 02:00:09.250
read it and then you finish like it has a part

02:00:09.250 --> 02:00:11.510
where it says read up to this point and then

02:00:11.510 --> 02:00:14.189
you read this the rest of the section uh the

02:00:14.189 --> 02:00:16.850
day of the fight and it's i forget the author

02:00:16.850 --> 02:00:18.930
i have it in my phone somewhere uh that he sent

02:00:18.930 --> 02:00:20.569
me a long time ago and i would read it before

02:00:20.569 --> 02:00:23.989
every fight everyone like the apex when we was

02:00:23.989 --> 02:00:25.970
in the apex all the time we i'd weigh in and

02:00:25.970 --> 02:00:27.850
we had to wait that like two hours till like

02:00:28.189 --> 02:00:30.489
We can face off if you weigh in first. And I'd

02:00:30.489 --> 02:00:32.449
sit there and I'd read it. And it was like an

02:00:32.449 --> 02:00:34.369
author and he talks a lot about like different

02:00:34.369 --> 02:00:38.430
sports and like one of his basic things is like

02:00:38.430 --> 02:00:41.609
hope. The word hope. Hold on. Possibilities exist.

02:00:41.810 --> 02:00:44.170
Like don't ever think it's over. It's done. Don't

02:00:44.170 --> 02:00:46.989
ever say I have to do something. I want to do

02:00:46.989 --> 02:00:48.789
something. I don't have to. The minute you start

02:00:48.789 --> 02:00:51.819
putting. I have to is the moment you start, like

02:00:51.819 --> 02:00:53.539
he says, like put like change, you hit the emergency

02:00:53.539 --> 02:00:55.539
stop button, the emergency brake on your car.

02:00:55.640 --> 02:00:57.479
Like you got to let it off. You're not performing

02:00:57.479 --> 02:00:59.600
at your best with all those things. So like stuff

02:00:59.600 --> 02:01:02.119
like that really like sets in and I try to remind

02:01:02.119 --> 02:01:04.500
myself. So like reminding myself of those things,

02:01:04.600 --> 02:01:07.020
talking about it is really like what helps me.

02:01:07.079 --> 02:01:10.800
Is it a book? It's like a little pamphlet. Yeah,

02:01:10.899 --> 02:01:13.159
kind of. Do you know who wrote it? It's in my

02:01:13.159 --> 02:01:15.100
phone. I could find it. Well, just so other people

02:01:15.100 --> 02:01:18.640
can look at it. Because it sounds pretty powerful.

02:01:18.760 --> 02:01:21.460
It was great, man. And if it helped you. There's

02:01:21.460 --> 02:01:26.159
a lot of hokey sort of self -help stuff online.

02:01:26.560 --> 02:01:29.600
You know, be a fucking man. Go out and get it

02:01:29.600 --> 02:01:33.680
done. There's a wolf inside of you and all that

02:01:33.680 --> 02:01:36.720
kooky shit. But the reality is there's a lot

02:01:36.720 --> 02:01:38.699
of wisdom out there, too. There's a lot of, like,

02:01:38.760 --> 02:01:40.840
you could read Meditations by Marcus Aurelius.

02:01:41.520 --> 02:01:43.560
literally learn how to live a better life. Like

02:01:43.560 --> 02:01:46.100
there's a lot of stuff out there that's very

02:01:46.100 --> 02:01:48.960
beneficial. So when someone like yourself has

02:01:48.960 --> 02:01:50.960
something that really helped them, I think it's

02:01:50.960 --> 02:01:53.000
probably good to... put it out there so other

02:01:53.000 --> 02:01:54.479
people could get it. You know, it's so crazy.

02:01:54.500 --> 02:01:55.899
Now I'm looking through like the documents and

02:01:55.899 --> 02:01:57.960
stuff that he sent me. Like mindfulness was the

02:01:57.960 --> 02:01:59.960
word I was looking for. You catch it like mindfulness,

02:02:00.039 --> 02:02:03.260
like stuff like that. But it's funny. Mindfulness

02:02:03.260 --> 02:02:05.920
is one of them co -opted words. It's been co

02:02:05.920 --> 02:02:08.560
-opted like gratitude and spirituality. It's

02:02:08.560 --> 02:02:10.539
one of them words that like too many kooky people

02:02:10.539 --> 02:02:13.319
use. Yeah, exactly. The first time he told me,

02:02:13.319 --> 02:02:15.180
I was like. Bro, don't tell me we're out to get

02:02:15.180 --> 02:02:17.760
some crazy shit, bro. I'm not that kind of guy,

02:02:17.800 --> 02:02:19.539
you know? Don't you hit me with no mindfulness,

02:02:19.800 --> 02:02:21.819
son. Yeah, man. But look, I'm literally going

02:02:21.819 --> 02:02:23.000
through right here, right? And he would send

02:02:23.000 --> 02:02:25.319
me stuff, right? Before a fight or like... So

02:02:25.319 --> 02:02:28.199
he'd send you quotes? He'd send me YouTube links.

02:02:28.840 --> 02:02:34.229
Look at the second one from the top. Who is it

02:02:34.229 --> 02:02:37.210
with me? David Goggins. Oh, that's hilarious.

02:02:37.210 --> 02:02:39.729
He sent me that. He sent me stuff like this.

02:02:40.149 --> 02:02:42.310
Goggins is a perfect example of that. He says

02:02:42.310 --> 02:02:45.289
things all the time that I think of. Jocko. When

02:02:45.289 --> 02:02:47.609
I'm working out and I'm really tired, I think

02:02:47.609 --> 02:02:50.350
of this one Jocko video where it's called Good.

02:02:50.770 --> 02:02:52.710
Have you ever seen that video? No. You want to

02:02:52.710 --> 02:02:54.470
get fired up? Yeah, I want to see it. Can we

02:02:54.470 --> 02:02:56.289
play that? We'll get fired up. This is one of

02:02:56.289 --> 02:02:59.310
my all -time favorite videos. You know Jocko,

02:02:59.310 --> 02:03:02.189
right? Jocko. Yeah, yeah. So Jocko. you know

02:03:02.189 --> 02:03:06.989
was a navy seal and uh was he's got a book called

02:03:06.989 --> 02:03:12.310
uh extreme ownership and it's just the way he

02:03:12.310 --> 02:03:16.109
thinks the way he carries himself is it's so

02:03:16.109 --> 02:03:19.310
it's so beneficial if you can adopt this that

02:03:19.310 --> 02:03:21.510
there's sometimes where i'm training where i'm

02:03:21.510 --> 02:03:24.770
really really tired and i want to quit i think

02:03:24.770 --> 02:03:27.210
a jocko and i go good you're tired that means

02:03:27.210 --> 02:03:29.390
you're going to get stronger listen to this this

02:03:29.390 --> 02:03:32.350
is amazing Direct subordinates, one of my guys

02:03:32.350 --> 02:03:35.270
that worked for me. He would call me up or pull

02:03:35.270 --> 02:03:37.710
me aside with some major problem, some issue

02:03:37.710 --> 02:03:40.449
that was going on. And he'd say, boss, we got

02:03:40.449 --> 02:03:42.289
this and that and the other thing. And I'd look

02:03:42.289 --> 02:03:46.329
at him and I'd say, good. And finally one day

02:03:46.329 --> 02:03:48.609
he was telling me about some issue that he was

02:03:48.609 --> 02:03:51.329
having, some problem. And he said, I already

02:03:51.329 --> 02:03:54.149
know what you're going to say. And I said, well,

02:03:54.189 --> 02:03:55.270
what am I going to say? He said, you're going

02:03:55.270 --> 02:03:59.590
to say good. He said, that's what you always

02:03:59.590 --> 02:04:03.329
say. When something is wrong and going bad, you

02:04:03.329 --> 02:04:07.609
always just look at me and say, good. And I said,

02:04:07.630 --> 02:04:12.750
well, yeah. When things are going bad, there's

02:04:12.750 --> 02:04:15.250
going to be some good that's going to come from

02:04:15.250 --> 02:04:19.010
it. Didn't get the new high -speed gear we wanted?

02:04:19.489 --> 02:04:25.050
Good. Didn't get promoted? Good. More time to

02:04:25.050 --> 02:04:28.970
get better. Oh, mission got canceled? Good. We

02:04:28.970 --> 02:04:30.930
can focus on the other one. Didn't get funded.

02:04:31.189 --> 02:04:35.590
Didn't get the job you wanted. Got injured. Sprained

02:04:35.590 --> 02:04:39.970
my ankle. Got tapped out. Good. Got beat. Good.

02:04:41.109 --> 02:04:47.869
Learned. Unexpected problems. Good. We have the

02:04:47.869 --> 02:04:52.909
opportunity to figure out a solution. That's

02:04:52.909 --> 02:04:56.720
it. When things are going bad. Don't get all

02:04:56.720 --> 02:04:59.100
bummed out. Don't get startled. Don't get frustrated.

02:05:03.720 --> 02:05:10.020
If you can say the word good, guess what? It

02:05:10.020 --> 02:05:12.800
means you're still alive. It means you're still

02:05:12.800 --> 02:05:18.220
breathing. And if you're still breathing, well

02:05:18.220 --> 02:05:22.520
now, you still got some fight left in you. So

02:05:22.520 --> 02:05:31.279
get up. Dust off. Reload. Recalibrate. Re -engage.

02:05:33.340 --> 02:05:42.640
And go out on the attack. Oh, yeah. That's a

02:05:42.640 --> 02:05:45.079
good one. That's a good one. Play that one when

02:05:45.079 --> 02:05:47.060
you're in the fucking dressing room. This is

02:05:47.060 --> 02:05:49.119
what it is. Getting ready. I don't know if it's

02:05:49.119 --> 02:05:50.079
a document. So these are the things that he sends

02:05:50.079 --> 02:05:54.100
you? Yeah. Okay. So it's called How Sports Psychology

02:05:54.100 --> 02:05:56.560
Can Help You Do Your Best When It Means the Most.

02:05:57.260 --> 02:06:00.939
Unedited copy. Who's the author? What's it say?

02:06:01.560 --> 02:06:05.439
Oh, Rob Gilbert. Rob Gilbert, Ph .D., Montclair

02:06:05.439 --> 02:06:09.119
State University, Montclair, New Jersey. Okay.

02:06:09.819 --> 02:06:13.079
It's pretty cool. God, I'll ask you to send me

02:06:13.079 --> 02:06:15.399
that afterwards. Yeah, of course. I love shit

02:06:15.399 --> 02:06:18.140
like that. There's little things like that that

02:06:18.140 --> 02:06:20.699
you can carry in your toolbox and they can help

02:06:20.699 --> 02:06:23.260
you. And not just if you're a professional fighter,

02:06:23.359 --> 02:06:25.760
but in basically everything in life. It's been,

02:06:25.859 --> 02:06:30.640
it really helped change my perspective. How's

02:06:30.640 --> 02:06:33.239
Bilal doing? Who fucking gets poked in the eye

02:06:33.239 --> 02:06:35.760
more than that guy? Jesus Christ. That guy has

02:06:35.760 --> 02:06:38.039
had, I think he's had something insane, like

02:06:38.039 --> 02:06:40.699
nine eye surgeries. I know he's had three of

02:06:40.699 --> 02:06:44.680
the hard ones. He told me this story. He had

02:06:44.680 --> 02:06:49.880
to drive home six hours. His wife came and got

02:06:49.880 --> 02:06:52.079
him and brought him home. But this is a while

02:06:52.079 --> 02:06:54.699
back. He had to drive six hours with his head

02:06:54.699 --> 02:06:56.220
like that because something with the pressure,

02:06:56.380 --> 02:07:00.000
you can't sit straight up with it. It's crazy.

02:07:00.020 --> 02:07:02.420
He explained it to me, but it blows my mind.

02:07:02.579 --> 02:07:04.039
I couldn't believe he got poked again by Ian

02:07:04.039 --> 02:07:06.479
Gare. I couldn't believe it. The moment he got

02:07:06.479 --> 02:07:08.079
poked, I'm like, I can't believe this is happening.

02:07:08.520 --> 02:07:09.920
I can't believe it's happening. Dude, I thought

02:07:09.920 --> 02:07:11.840
the same thing. Oh, my God. Look at that. That

02:07:11.840 --> 02:07:13.060
was the Leon one, right? Look at that finger

02:07:13.060 --> 02:07:17.279
deep in his fucking eyeball. That is so crazy.

02:07:18.399 --> 02:07:22.159
Yeah. That's so crazy. So he's had major surgeries

02:07:22.159 --> 02:07:26.199
on his eyes. Yep. And then Ian poked him. Like,

02:07:26.199 --> 02:07:28.819
right away. I was like, this is crazy. I don't

02:07:28.819 --> 02:07:30.720
know how you feel, but I feel like it should

02:07:30.720 --> 02:07:32.880
be an instant one -point deduction. At least.

02:07:32.880 --> 02:07:35.800
Every time. At least. I like what Tom Aspinall

02:07:35.800 --> 02:07:38.039
said. He was like, no, you poke me in my eye,

02:07:38.079 --> 02:07:39.800
you want me to continue? Okay, no problem. I

02:07:39.800 --> 02:07:42.399
get to poke him in his eye. Right. I was like,

02:07:42.460 --> 02:07:44.060
eh. A lot of people are talking shit about Tom,

02:07:44.159 --> 02:07:47.300
but he apparently still can't see. Like his eyes

02:07:47.300 --> 02:07:50.199
still fucked up. No one knows. Here's the thing.

02:07:50.279 --> 02:07:53.199
The other eye got hurt as well, but not as bad.

02:07:53.279 --> 02:07:55.680
But it looks way worse. The finger goes way deeper

02:07:55.680 --> 02:07:57.460
in the other eye. Dude, eye pokes are crazy.

02:07:57.460 --> 02:08:00.619
Bro, he went straight three stooges. Boink! And

02:08:00.619 --> 02:08:03.060
you know, it's crazy that everyone that talks

02:08:03.060 --> 02:08:05.220
the most shit has never been poked in the eye.

02:08:05.300 --> 02:08:07.699
Not even a little bit. Like accidentally. Oh,

02:08:07.720 --> 02:08:09.859
it's horrible. You know? It's like a bolt of

02:08:09.859 --> 02:08:12.380
lightning in your brain. And then you can't see.

02:08:12.520 --> 02:08:14.539
And the idea that you can't see and then you're

02:08:14.539 --> 02:08:17.260
supposed to fight a guy. Also, you're fighting

02:08:17.260 --> 02:08:20.579
a guy in Ian Gary who has a fucking nasty left

02:08:20.579 --> 02:08:23.140
hand. So if you get poked in your eyeball and

02:08:23.140 --> 02:08:24.739
you can't see that punch cut. Well, he's got

02:08:24.739 --> 02:08:26.800
a nasty right hand, too. I mean, Ian Gary can

02:08:26.800 --> 02:08:30.180
strike. Oh, God. Look at that. So look at the

02:08:30.180 --> 02:08:34.380
right one. Excuse me, the left eye. That's deeper.

02:08:34.520 --> 02:08:36.420
And that one didn't get hurt as bad. It's his

02:08:36.420 --> 02:08:38.699
right eye that really got hurt. The left one

02:08:38.699 --> 02:08:42.180
is like finger knuckle deep in his eyeball, man.

02:08:42.479 --> 02:08:46.020
Dude, it's crazy. You know, like. Bilal is like

02:08:46.020 --> 02:08:49.680
one of those guys you talk about 365, 24 -7.

02:08:49.699 --> 02:08:51.819
He's ready. He's doing something always. I'm

02:08:51.819 --> 02:08:53.779
even like, bro, take a break, bro. You've earned

02:08:53.779 --> 02:08:55.619
a little break. Take a week off. Be with your

02:08:55.619 --> 02:09:00.220
family. He won't. Well, in his stage of his life.

02:09:00.750 --> 02:09:03.029
It might be the only way to keep going because

02:09:03.029 --> 02:09:05.529
he's at, like, 38 now, right? Yeah, something

02:09:05.529 --> 02:09:08.229
like that. Like, that's the same age as Usman.

02:09:08.670 --> 02:09:11.670
And, you know, you can still be a world -class

02:09:11.670 --> 02:09:14.369
fighter at that age. You can clearly see that

02:09:14.369 --> 02:09:16.510
with Kamaru against Joaquin Buckley. Like, a

02:09:16.510 --> 02:09:18.210
lot of people counted him out because Joaquin

02:09:18.210 --> 02:09:20.189
Buckley was fucking a lot of people up. Yeah,

02:09:20.189 --> 02:09:23.170
he was. Joaquin Buckley, bro, whoo, that guy's

02:09:23.170 --> 02:09:25.430
a problem. He's a fucking problem. I've known

02:09:25.430 --> 02:09:29.550
him for a minute, man. He's wild and fast, and

02:09:29.550 --> 02:09:32.000
he keeps— getting better, and he's really fucking

02:09:32.000 --> 02:09:35.600
intelligent about how to land shots. He knows

02:09:35.600 --> 02:09:37.159
how to set things up. And he likes to fight.

02:09:37.260 --> 02:09:41.380
He loves to fight. And he's just a dog, just

02:09:41.380 --> 02:09:43.579
in the fight, man. He's always dangerous. That

02:09:43.579 --> 02:09:46.319
Wonderboy fight, he's having a little bit of

02:09:46.319 --> 02:09:48.319
a problem solving that distance and that range

02:09:48.319 --> 02:09:52.649
until he didn't. Until he didn't, man. Bro, that

02:09:52.649 --> 02:09:55.890
dude's got hammers in his fist. Yes. So when

02:09:55.890 --> 02:09:59.470
watching Kamaru just ragdoll him like that, I

02:09:59.470 --> 02:10:01.689
was like, God damn. Impressive. Fuck yeah. It

02:10:01.689 --> 02:10:03.930
looked like Kamaru world champion level Kamaru.

02:10:04.029 --> 02:10:05.670
Yeah. Like a lot of people have kind of counted

02:10:05.670 --> 02:10:07.470
him out because there's this narrative that he

02:10:07.470 --> 02:10:10.310
puts out there openly about his knees. Yeah.

02:10:10.690 --> 02:10:12.869
He talked about on this podcast openly his knees

02:10:12.869 --> 02:10:15.729
are fucked. He's like I gotta go downstairs backwards

02:10:15.729 --> 02:10:18.390
sometimes Yeah, I hurt so much. I heard he went

02:10:18.390 --> 02:10:21.210
and did like a lot of stuff to like redo him

02:10:21.210 --> 02:10:23.229
and now he says they're good But I don't I don't

02:10:23.229 --> 02:10:25.789
know. I don't know. Well, I know he went to Columbia

02:10:26.409 --> 02:10:30.609
He went down to that bio -accelerator place in

02:10:30.609 --> 02:10:32.250
Columbia. I don't know if he's been to the place

02:10:32.250 --> 02:10:35.069
in Tijuana that the UFC uses now, the Cellular

02:10:35.069 --> 02:10:37.750
Performance Institute, but they're all very similar.

02:10:38.029 --> 02:10:41.489
We're being held back to such a fucking ridiculous

02:10:41.489 --> 02:10:44.770
extent in this country by the FDA that you don't

02:10:44.770 --> 02:10:46.890
realize how many people with neurological conditions,

02:10:47.250 --> 02:10:49.130
how many people with severe injuries, how many

02:10:49.130 --> 02:10:53.270
people could be helped by stem cells. And there's

02:10:53.270 --> 02:10:56.619
no evidence that they're down. people. There's

02:10:56.619 --> 02:10:59.779
no evidence. I mean, look, anytime you have any

02:10:59.779 --> 02:11:02.640
invasive procedure, anytime you have a surgery,

02:11:02.779 --> 02:11:04.399
there's always some risk that something can go

02:11:04.399 --> 02:11:06.939
wrong. There's always a risk in any medical procedure.

02:11:07.300 --> 02:11:10.760
But there's no outstanding risks versus reward

02:11:10.760 --> 02:11:14.140
to stem cells. On the contrary, the evidence

02:11:14.140 --> 02:11:18.159
is outstanding results, including some of the

02:11:18.159 --> 02:11:20.439
things Dr. Neil Reardon has been doing down in

02:11:20.439 --> 02:11:22.739
Panama with people that have severe neurological

02:11:22.739 --> 02:11:25.909
problems, guys that have had CT. TE, like real,

02:11:25.970 --> 02:11:28.949
real, real bad fucking other than just injuries.

02:11:29.189 --> 02:11:32.829
And then even injuries like my mom had a really

02:11:32.829 --> 02:11:35.090
bad knee and I sent her down there and it got

02:11:35.090 --> 02:11:37.810
a lot better. I sent her down there twice. A

02:11:37.810 --> 02:11:40.210
lot better. Mel Gibson, his dad couldn't walk.

02:11:40.449 --> 02:11:44.050
He was like almost 90. He was like 80 years old.

02:11:44.329 --> 02:11:47.920
And then. He went down, got his hips done, got

02:11:47.920 --> 02:11:51.300
his, Neil did his shoulders, his hips, a bunch

02:11:51.300 --> 02:11:53.859
of other stuff, and did Mel as well. And he's

02:11:53.859 --> 02:11:56.479
like, no, my dad was like up and walking around

02:11:56.479 --> 02:12:00.899
like five years later still, like he was 10 years

02:12:00.899 --> 02:12:03.319
younger. He's a great actor, by the way. Oh,

02:12:03.319 --> 02:12:05.539
Mel? He's the man. He's the man. I love that

02:12:05.539 --> 02:12:09.000
guy. He's crazy, too. He's so interesting. That

02:12:09.000 --> 02:12:11.619
guy's got like a fucking tornado going on in

02:12:11.619 --> 02:12:13.840
his brain all the time. Really? Oh, yeah, yeah,

02:12:13.899 --> 02:12:15.699
yeah. I think that's why he's such a good director,

02:12:15.800 --> 02:12:18.439
man. Did you ever see Apocalypto? Yeah, one of

02:12:18.439 --> 02:12:22.560
my favorites. I fucking love that movie. Same.

02:12:22.699 --> 02:12:24.119
It's one of my favorites. It's such a good movie.

02:12:24.119 --> 02:12:25.359
I love that movie, too, for sure. Such a good

02:12:25.359 --> 02:12:27.630
movie, man. Such a good movie. He plays some

02:12:27.630 --> 02:12:29.329
great ones. I mean, he made a movie where nobody

02:12:29.329 --> 02:12:31.390
speaks English. Exactly. And it's a blockbuster.

02:12:31.590 --> 02:12:33.850
And it's amazing. It's fucking incredible. Dude.

02:12:33.890 --> 02:12:35.710
It's fucking incredible. I love that one. But

02:12:35.710 --> 02:12:38.649
I like his old stuff, too, like Braveheart. Braveheart

02:12:38.649 --> 02:12:40.569
was amazing. Passion of the Christ was really

02:12:40.569 --> 02:12:42.510
good, too, man. The Patriot was good. Yeah. Dude,

02:12:42.590 --> 02:12:45.710
he's fucking, he's the real deal, man. Mel Gibson's

02:12:45.710 --> 02:12:46.949
the real fucking deal. Dude, even, what's the

02:12:46.949 --> 02:12:50.670
one he, you're gonna think I'm crazy, but I think

02:12:50.670 --> 02:12:52.720
it's Think Like a Woman. You ever seen that one?

02:12:52.859 --> 02:12:55.760
I did not. Bro, that is freaking hilarious. What

02:12:55.760 --> 02:13:00.380
is it? It's like he gets trapped in like he can

02:13:00.380 --> 02:13:03.340
like read a woman's mind. And so because like

02:13:03.340 --> 02:13:05.539
he's basically a guy. He works. He's a journalist

02:13:05.539 --> 02:13:09.899
or like a publisher or something like that. He's

02:13:09.899 --> 02:13:11.600
very, like, a womanizer. Like, he gets women

02:13:11.600 --> 02:13:13.680
and just, like, whatever. And they're always,

02:13:13.739 --> 02:13:15.380
like, talking shit about him behind his back

02:13:15.380 --> 02:13:17.300
like everyone else. So now, like, he's trying

02:13:17.300 --> 02:13:19.720
to move up the ranks. He's supposed to be next

02:13:19.720 --> 02:13:22.340
in line for a promotion. Well, he has his daughter

02:13:22.340 --> 02:13:27.399
come in, and she leaves the blow dryer. And he

02:13:27.399 --> 02:13:30.720
trips on it and falls in. The water gets electrocuted,

02:13:30.779 --> 02:13:32.619
and he wakes up, and now he can hear all women's

02:13:32.619 --> 02:13:35.159
thoughts. And it, like, changes who he is as

02:13:35.159 --> 02:13:39.359
a person. That's amazing. Like she gets his promotion,

02:13:39.500 --> 02:13:41.960
so now he - 2000. Bro, great movie. That's the

02:13:41.960 --> 02:13:45.859
year 2000. Funny as hell. Oh, Helen Hunt. He's

02:13:45.859 --> 02:13:47.279
been great in a lot of ways. He was great in

02:13:47.279 --> 02:13:50.039
that conspiracy theory movie. What's that? Was

02:13:50.039 --> 02:13:54.479
it Julia Roberts? Yeah, he was a wacky conspiracy

02:13:54.479 --> 02:13:56.880
theorist guy. I don't think I've seen that one.

02:13:57.039 --> 02:13:58.420
It's pretty good. What's it called? Conspiracy

02:13:58.420 --> 02:13:59.619
theory. Oh, is that what it's called? That's

02:13:59.619 --> 02:14:02.890
hilarious. I haven't seen that one. I think a

02:14:02.890 --> 02:14:04.989
lot of the things that he talked about now, it's

02:14:04.989 --> 02:14:07.770
like people openly discuss online. Because this

02:14:07.770 --> 02:14:09.869
was all before the internet. What year was that?

02:14:10.430 --> 02:14:13.670
97. Yeah, so there were no conspiracy theory

02:14:13.670 --> 02:14:16.649
websites back then. Or not a lot. He has another

02:14:16.649 --> 02:14:20.170
one where his daughter works for this company.

02:14:20.250 --> 02:14:23.350
She comes home, and it's one of those rich companies

02:14:23.350 --> 02:14:25.569
that hide stuff, but you never can tell because

02:14:25.569 --> 02:14:27.770
you never have proof. And she's working in a

02:14:27.770 --> 02:14:29.529
secret department. She comes home all frantic.

02:14:30.279 --> 02:14:32.659
and uh the dude yells something shoots her with

02:14:32.659 --> 02:14:34.319
a shotgun right on the right on his front door

02:14:34.319 --> 02:14:36.960
boom kills her so obviously then he goes and

02:14:36.960 --> 02:14:38.420
starts trying to figure everything out and he

02:14:38.420 --> 02:14:40.260
starts figuring out like through the way what

02:14:40.260 --> 02:14:43.340
the work was doing it was like poisoning or something

02:14:43.340 --> 02:14:45.220
well anyway he finds the guy and ends up killing

02:14:45.220 --> 02:14:46.939
him but he ends up dying too because he got the

02:14:46.939 --> 02:14:49.479
poison from wherever he went in to the workspace

02:14:49.479 --> 02:14:51.300
like he followed he was doing all kind of shit

02:14:51.300 --> 02:14:52.920
but it was super cool too what movie is that

02:14:52.920 --> 02:14:56.579
i don't know you know that movie Where he shoots

02:14:56.579 --> 02:14:59.020
his daughter on the front step. That was one

02:14:59.020 --> 02:15:00.640
of the things that sold the movie. That was one

02:15:00.640 --> 02:15:02.560
of the previews. Well, how about Lethal Weapon?

02:15:02.600 --> 02:15:04.300
First time we ever saw anybody do a triangle

02:15:04.300 --> 02:15:08.020
in a movie. True. Right? Yeah. That was crazy.

02:15:08.020 --> 02:15:10.880
I like his movies. I loved that scene. That scene,

02:15:11.000 --> 02:15:12.800
I was like, what is he doing? I didn't even know

02:15:12.800 --> 02:15:14.500
what a triangle was back then. Because I think

02:15:14.500 --> 02:15:18.319
that was in the 80s. I wasn't even alive. When

02:15:18.319 --> 02:15:21.579
did Lethal Weapon 1 come out? Edge of Darkness.

02:15:21.859 --> 02:15:23.479
That's it. Lethal Weapon, I think it's like 87

02:15:23.479 --> 02:15:26.670
or 88. Yeah, man. So back then, no one knew what

02:15:26.670 --> 02:15:28.210
a fucking triangle was other than the Gracies.

02:15:28.930 --> 02:15:31.890
People in Brazil knew. Brazil was so far ahead

02:15:31.890 --> 02:15:33.670
of the curve, man. They were having MMA fights

02:15:33.670 --> 02:15:37.149
in the 30s. Dude, I went there for my boy Tuco.

02:15:37.229 --> 02:15:40.930
He fought in the favela, right? Yeah, look at

02:15:40.930 --> 02:15:44.930
this. Was it Gary Busey who was fighting in the

02:15:44.930 --> 02:15:46.170
end? Who was the guy who was fighting in the

02:15:46.170 --> 02:15:48.670
end? I don't remember. I think it's Gary Busey,

02:15:48.689 --> 02:15:51.770
right? Yeah, it is Gary Busey. You know he had

02:15:51.770 --> 02:16:06.760
a headache. Movies in the 80s are so wild, dude.

02:16:14.039 --> 02:16:15.760
We don't need to watch the whole thing. Let's

02:16:15.760 --> 02:16:19.739
just cut to the triangle. This is silly. I thought

02:16:19.739 --> 02:16:24.920
so, too. Oh, Gary Busey tried to take it to the

02:16:24.920 --> 02:16:27.779
ground. Outrageous. Mel got swept so easily.

02:16:27.979 --> 02:16:34.680
Oh, Mel's on top. Everybody was doing cocaine

02:16:34.680 --> 02:16:36.180
with their right move. Oh, look at that. He goes

02:16:36.180 --> 02:16:38.219
right for an armbar. Oh, sloppy. Terrible technique.

02:16:39.180 --> 02:16:41.579
Terrible left hook. The left leg barely held

02:16:41.579 --> 02:16:44.139
on there. That was some... Wow, there it is.

02:16:44.159 --> 02:16:45.879
That's not bad. That's not bad. That's pretty

02:16:45.879 --> 02:16:48.100
good. I like that. He got a good angle. Oh, that's

02:16:48.100 --> 02:16:49.860
not bad at all. That's tight. He's cinching it

02:16:49.860 --> 02:16:51.600
up right there. Everybody at home is like, what

02:16:51.600 --> 02:16:54.260
is happening? Another man put his legs around

02:16:54.260 --> 02:16:57.079
another man's head. I remember when Hoist Gracie

02:16:57.079 --> 02:16:59.200
did that to Dan Severin. Everybody was like,

02:16:59.319 --> 02:17:01.760
what's going on? Like, what is happening? And

02:17:01.760 --> 02:17:03.180
then all of a sudden you see Dan Severin tap

02:17:03.180 --> 02:17:06.139
and you're like, what? What happened? What did

02:17:06.139 --> 02:17:11.479
he do? Put him to sleep. My friend would know

02:17:11.479 --> 02:17:13.959
better the lineage and stuff, right? That's where

02:17:13.959 --> 02:17:17.799
he's my intelligence. But we went to Brazil,

02:17:17.879 --> 02:17:19.540
right, for his fight. He was fighting in the

02:17:19.540 --> 02:17:23.879
favela at Jose Aldo's gym. Novo Uniao. Yeah.

02:17:24.079 --> 02:17:26.219
It's like right on the edge of the favela. It's

02:17:26.219 --> 02:17:28.579
nice though. Yeah. Andre Pettinaris. Yeah. He

02:17:28.579 --> 02:17:30.540
was there. He was super nice. He's awesome. He

02:17:30.540 --> 02:17:32.639
was super nice. Super hospitable. That guy's

02:17:32.639 --> 02:17:35.479
a pioneer, dude. Yes. He was fighting MMA in

02:17:35.479 --> 02:17:37.479
early days. Bare knuckle. Really? I didn't know

02:17:37.479 --> 02:17:39.559
that. Andre Pettinaris. Oh my God, man. Yeah.

02:17:39.620 --> 02:17:41.659
He's a legend. I didn't know him. We met a lot

02:17:41.659 --> 02:17:44.479
of great guys, but we were there with Daniel

02:17:44.479 --> 02:17:48.840
Gracie and I think it's Henzo's mom. And then

02:17:48.840 --> 02:17:51.379
- His dad, like the whole lineage was there before

02:17:51.379 --> 02:17:53.420
he passed away. He was there. We went over there

02:17:53.420 --> 02:17:54.780
and we were sitting on their couch, chilling,

02:17:54.899 --> 02:17:57.979
hanging out, talking, meeting all of them. And

02:17:57.979 --> 02:18:00.620
again, I am absolutely God awful with names,

02:18:00.719 --> 02:18:04.280
but I knew like as soon as he come out of the

02:18:04.280 --> 02:18:05.620
stairs, he was going somewhere. He had a nice

02:18:05.620 --> 02:18:08.040
jacket. Oh no, he was doing an interview with,

02:18:08.139 --> 02:18:11.700
he was doing an interview, like a little podcast

02:18:11.700 --> 02:18:13.219
or something. It was all in Portuguese. I couldn't

02:18:13.219 --> 02:18:15.059
understand what they were saying, but they met

02:18:15.059 --> 02:18:18.420
him super nice. And then like, I think it wasn't

02:18:18.420 --> 02:18:19.920
too long after that he passed away, but, like,

02:18:19.940 --> 02:18:22.739
that's, like, one of the starts of Gracie Jiu

02:18:22.739 --> 02:18:26.059
-Jitsu. Was it Elio? Was it Carlos? Who was it?

02:18:26.319 --> 02:18:29.059
I think it was Carlos, I think. I don't know.

02:18:29.420 --> 02:18:31.659
It doesn't matter. It was one of them. Right.

02:18:31.739 --> 02:18:33.899
I could figure it out, though. Okay. But, dude,

02:18:33.979 --> 02:18:35.899
super nice. Like, they were all explaining, like,

02:18:35.920 --> 02:18:37.920
the lineage, and I started with... What's that,

02:18:38.040 --> 02:18:41.280
Jamie? Oh, sorry. I started with, like, Gracie

02:18:41.280 --> 02:18:43.120
Jiu -Jitsu. So, like, I used to know that lineage

02:18:43.120 --> 02:18:45.600
fairly well, but then you know how life is. You

02:18:45.600 --> 02:18:47.799
just get away and kind of forget you're not around

02:18:47.799 --> 02:18:50.239
it as much. Yeah, well, it's a crazy lineage.

02:18:50.299 --> 02:18:52.920
I mean, that one family is responsible for changing

02:18:52.920 --> 02:18:54.819
mixed martial arts. Dude, they were telling us

02:18:54.819 --> 02:18:56.719
so many, like, cool stories, like things that

02:18:56.719 --> 02:18:59.159
I had heard through the grapevine, you know,

02:18:59.159 --> 02:19:01.440
from other people when I was younger. But they

02:19:01.440 --> 02:19:04.299
confirmed it and, like... They were even like

02:19:04.299 --> 02:19:06.399
asking like where the beef comes from in the

02:19:06.399 --> 02:19:08.600
family, you know Like what started that exactly

02:19:08.600 --> 02:19:10.520
what started because obviously he was in it he

02:19:10.520 --> 02:19:14.100
did he love they translated for us But he was

02:19:14.100 --> 02:19:16.500
saying like how it all got started but beef between

02:19:16.500 --> 02:19:19.399
what parts of the family to be say that they

02:19:19.399 --> 02:19:24.819
have no, it was a Carlos and Who's the one that

02:19:24.819 --> 02:19:26.860
one of the brothers went out on their own? Because

02:19:26.860 --> 02:19:28.559
he was like I don't want nothing to do with this

02:19:28.559 --> 02:19:32.860
part of the family Was it Horian? I know that

02:19:32.860 --> 02:19:34.239
name. They were saying that name a lot. Well,

02:19:34.239 --> 02:19:36.440
Horian started the UFC. Yeah, it might have been

02:19:36.440 --> 02:19:40.239
him. And Horian also trained Mel Gibson for this

02:19:40.239 --> 02:19:42.520
lethal weapon fight scene. There he is, Horian

02:19:42.520 --> 02:19:46.600
Gracie. Horian Gracie in Playboy magazine challenged

02:19:46.600 --> 02:19:49.860
Mike Tyson to a no -rules fight. See, I don't

02:19:49.860 --> 02:19:51.379
want to sound stupid, so I don't like to say

02:19:51.379 --> 02:19:53.319
too many names, but... You're going to make me

02:19:53.319 --> 02:19:54.799
call my friend and ask him when we leave here.

02:19:54.860 --> 02:19:57.579
Well, Elio was his father. You know, Hickson's

02:19:57.579 --> 02:19:59.120
obviously his brother. Hoyce is his brother.

02:19:59.239 --> 02:20:01.700
Hoyler's his brother. I think Hoyler and Hoyce

02:20:01.700 --> 02:20:04.059
are half brothers. Yes, I knew that. They were

02:20:04.059 --> 02:20:06.379
saying that. But they were just kind of like

02:20:06.379 --> 02:20:09.079
going over like old times and stories and like

02:20:09.079 --> 02:20:11.139
they were talking about that because apparently

02:20:11.139 --> 02:20:14.239
like they were saying like, well, Daniel was

02:20:14.239 --> 02:20:16.719
saying like within the family because he's a

02:20:16.719 --> 02:20:20.479
Gracie, but I think he's like it was. His mom

02:20:20.479 --> 02:20:22.920
or something like that was, so she's still a

02:20:22.920 --> 02:20:26.379
Gracie. But anyway, or his, no, his cousin was

02:20:26.379 --> 02:20:29.100
a Gracie. So technically like he's not a real

02:20:29.100 --> 02:20:31.299
blood Gracie. I don't know. They tried to explain

02:20:31.299 --> 02:20:32.600
it. It's very weird. But anyway, we were there

02:20:32.600 --> 02:20:34.079
and they can't, they don't talk about it. Like

02:20:34.079 --> 02:20:37.520
why there's a divide between this side of the

02:20:37.520 --> 02:20:39.620
family and this side. And they, they explained

02:20:39.620 --> 02:20:42.020
to like, even when they were kids, like they

02:20:42.020 --> 02:20:43.739
would go in and get into it. Like say you'd go

02:20:43.739 --> 02:20:45.420
in and you get in a fight in the street, just

02:20:45.420 --> 02:20:48.659
like maybe you're 12 years old. It started, they

02:20:48.659 --> 02:20:50.600
said, like, basically that young that, like,

02:20:50.639 --> 02:20:52.840
there was a divide between whatever one and this

02:20:52.840 --> 02:20:56.719
one. And because they would go get in a fight

02:20:56.719 --> 02:20:59.540
and he would come back and rat on them. And he

02:20:59.540 --> 02:21:02.370
was like, bro, come on. You know, so it started

02:21:02.370 --> 02:21:04.409
as that young. And he said it was a lot. It wasn't

02:21:04.409 --> 02:21:06.629
even like, oh, it was just one time. No, like

02:21:06.629 --> 02:21:09.450
multiple times, you know. So it was just interesting

02:21:09.450 --> 02:21:11.590
to hear like these stories that these guys had

02:21:11.590 --> 02:21:13.350
of like when they were young in the streets,

02:21:13.350 --> 02:21:16.790
like fighting in Rio. Oh, yeah. I mean, there's

02:21:16.790 --> 02:21:18.629
a video of Hickson fighting somebody on the beach.

02:21:19.049 --> 02:21:21.129
Yeah, they talk about it. Some Luta Libre guy

02:21:21.129 --> 02:21:23.069
smacks him on the beach. He talks about it. They

02:21:23.069 --> 02:21:24.250
were talking about it. They're fighting in the

02:21:24.250 --> 02:21:26.510
sand, scrapping on the beach. Daniel was there

02:21:26.510 --> 02:21:28.770
for that. Daniel was there. He was the one that

02:21:28.770 --> 02:21:31.649
brought it up. He was there. He said they showed

02:21:31.649 --> 02:21:33.409
the picture of it, and he was right in the back.

02:21:33.629 --> 02:21:35.809
Hickson has those little surfer shorts on. Yep.

02:21:36.709 --> 02:21:39.659
Daniel explained how it started. I don't remember

02:21:39.659 --> 02:21:42.420
that exact details, but, dude, it was like. Well,

02:21:42.420 --> 02:21:44.420
they would dojo storm each other. They would

02:21:44.420 --> 02:21:46.840
show up at places and challenge, like, Luta Livre

02:21:46.840 --> 02:21:49.420
gyms, and Luta Livre guys would show up at the

02:21:49.420 --> 02:21:52.200
Gracie Dojo. Dude, it was like. Yeah, here it

02:21:52.200 --> 02:21:54.540
is. Look at Hickson with them beautiful colored

02:21:54.540 --> 02:21:56.840
shorts on. He just smacks them. Like, come on,

02:21:56.860 --> 02:21:58.659
baby, it's on. And the dude's like, take your

02:21:58.659 --> 02:22:01.500
shoes off. Come on, let's go. Like, there, hold

02:22:01.500 --> 02:22:07.969
my shoes. Bro, these were wild times. Yeah. Especially

02:22:07.969 --> 02:22:09.969
when you take into consideration Hickson's widely

02:22:09.969 --> 02:22:12.370
considered one of the absolute greatest jiu -jitsu

02:22:12.370 --> 02:22:15.149
practitioners of all time. You know, and that

02:22:15.149 --> 02:22:17.969
he was willing to have these kind of fights on

02:22:17.969 --> 02:22:20.809
the beach in Rio, these no -rules fights just

02:22:20.809 --> 02:22:24.829
surrounded by dudes. And man thongs. Yeah. I

02:22:24.829 --> 02:22:27.229
mean, and not have any striking. Look, see how

02:22:27.229 --> 02:22:29.350
Hickson's winging punches? These guys had no

02:22:29.350 --> 02:22:33.170
striking at all. It's really kind of crazy. I

02:22:33.170 --> 02:22:35.209
mean, not ever saying there's anything wrong

02:22:35.209 --> 02:22:37.290
with anything that Hickson ever did because he's

02:22:37.290 --> 02:22:38.909
like one of the greatest of all time. But if

02:22:38.909 --> 02:22:41.090
you look at the difference between a guy that's

02:22:41.090 --> 02:22:43.870
just a pure grappler like Hickson, even when

02:22:43.870 --> 02:22:45.530
he fought in pride, remember he'd come out with

02:22:45.530 --> 02:22:48.010
those little stomp kicks. He's just getting you

02:22:48.010 --> 02:22:50.030
to the ground. It's all getting you to the ground.

02:22:50.250 --> 02:22:54.110
There's no one like that now. No one has very

02:22:54.110 --> 02:22:56.430
little stand -up. There's no one who fights like

02:22:56.430 --> 02:22:58.170
that. And it's crazy because there's like so

02:22:58.170 --> 02:23:01.010
many stories about like Hoist wasn't even supposed

02:23:01.010 --> 02:23:04.430
to be the one to fight. He wasn't even supposed

02:23:04.430 --> 02:23:06.370
to be the one. They were supposed to have the

02:23:06.370 --> 02:23:09.209
other one. Well, Hickson was always the champion

02:23:09.209 --> 02:23:10.909
of the family. And Hoyst had always said that.

02:23:10.969 --> 02:23:12.670
That Hickson was 10 times better than him. He

02:23:12.670 --> 02:23:15.770
said, Hickson tapped me every day. Every day

02:23:15.770 --> 02:23:17.829
I go to the gym, Hickson tapped me. But it's

02:23:17.829 --> 02:23:20.030
just like, that's just how it was. But there

02:23:20.030 --> 02:23:23.770
was a lot of rumors. One of the rumors was that...

02:23:24.579 --> 02:23:26.959
So this is the narrative. Hoyce says it's because

02:23:26.959 --> 02:23:28.500
he's so beautiful. It's like, look at his face.

02:23:28.639 --> 02:23:30.260
Of course they picked me. That's what he said

02:23:30.260 --> 02:23:32.319
on the podcast. It was hilarious because he's

02:23:32.319 --> 02:23:34.899
so handsome. But Hickson's handsome too, so it

02:23:34.899 --> 02:23:37.840
didn't make any sense. But I think it's because

02:23:37.840 --> 02:23:41.440
Hoyce could show that it was the technique because

02:23:41.440 --> 02:23:44.840
Hickson was shredded. He was pretty jacked too,

02:23:44.940 --> 02:23:47.659
and he looked like a world champion athlete,

02:23:47.860 --> 02:23:51.450
whereas Hoyce looked like a 170 -pound guy. who

02:23:51.450 --> 02:23:53.790
was, like, you know, not that muscular, and it

02:23:53.790 --> 02:23:56.489
was just technique. It was him using beautiful

02:23:56.489 --> 02:23:58.850
jiu -jitsu technique that nobody knew what it

02:23:58.850 --> 02:24:01.309
was. It was, like, the best advertisement ever

02:24:01.309 --> 02:24:04.229
for jiu -jitsu. When you see a 175 -pound guy

02:24:04.229 --> 02:24:06.790
tapping out Dan Severin, you know, he was this

02:24:06.790 --> 02:24:09.110
huge wrestler, and Kemo, when he got him in that

02:24:09.110 --> 02:24:11.049
arm bar, like, all the shit that Hoist did. Ken

02:24:11.049 --> 02:24:13.590
Shamrock, when he tapped him. Crazy to watch

02:24:13.590 --> 02:24:15.729
a guy that's, like, so much smaller than everybody

02:24:15.729 --> 02:24:17.969
else dominate everyone, and everyone was afraid

02:24:17.969 --> 02:24:20.790
of him. So it was, like, the perfect thing. And

02:24:20.790 --> 02:24:22.510
the thought was, okay, well, if he ever does

02:24:22.510 --> 02:24:26.389
lose, we always have Hickson. Right. But Hickson

02:24:26.389 --> 02:24:29.170
went off to Japan, and he did Japan Valley Tudor,

02:24:29.290 --> 02:24:33.389
and then he did Pride. And, you know, there was

02:24:33.389 --> 02:24:36.530
talk at one point in time of Hickson fighting

02:24:36.530 --> 02:24:39.049
Fedor. They were throwing money around for Hickson

02:24:39.049 --> 02:24:42.989
after he fought in that Coliseum show, which

02:24:42.989 --> 02:24:46.209
I think was in 2000. When did he fight Funaki?

02:24:46.430 --> 02:24:49.809
When did Hickson fight Funaki? I think it was...

02:24:49.920 --> 02:24:52.719
The year 2000. And they were talking about Hickson

02:24:52.719 --> 02:24:55.520
fighting Fedor. They had made him an offer, Japan,

02:24:55.579 --> 02:24:57.440
for him to come over. And he wanted to do it.

02:24:57.959 --> 02:25:01.000
It never came. I wish you could have heard, like,

02:25:01.000 --> 02:25:03.239
again, because I'm so bad with names. And my

02:25:03.239 --> 02:25:06.100
memory is not as good as it used to be. But it's

02:25:06.100 --> 02:25:09.239
one of my favorite memories from fighting. 2000.

02:25:09.520 --> 02:25:11.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's one of my favorite

02:25:11.780 --> 02:25:13.340
memories from fighting, just sitting there and

02:25:13.340 --> 02:25:15.239
listening to these guys. Because the history

02:25:15.239 --> 02:25:18.579
was freaking insane. The stories were awesome.

02:25:19.500 --> 02:25:22.360
It was – but like I said, I'm terrible with names,

02:25:22.379 --> 02:25:24.600
so I'm very bad with like – So look at that.

02:25:24.639 --> 02:25:27.340
Andre Pettinaris on that card versus Genki Sudo.

02:25:27.780 --> 02:25:30.340
Sure is. Ended in a draw. And Genki Sudo was

02:25:30.340 --> 02:25:32.459
a bad motherfucker. That's how good Pettinaris

02:25:32.459 --> 02:25:34.840
was. I didn't know that. Oh, yeah. Pettinaris

02:25:34.840 --> 02:25:37.739
was legit, man. Damn. Very legit. Very legit.

02:25:38.040 --> 02:25:40.500
Damn. I knew he was a great coach. I didn't know

02:25:40.500 --> 02:25:43.639
he fought. Fought in the early, early days. I

02:25:43.639 --> 02:25:48.059
mean, he might have even fought in extreme combat.

02:25:48.559 --> 02:25:52.739
Did he fight in extreme combat? That was back

02:25:52.739 --> 02:25:54.579
in the day when Mario Sperry first burst on the

02:25:54.579 --> 02:25:57.280
scene. He fought back then. Igor Zinoviev. All

02:25:57.280 --> 02:25:59.319
these dudes that everybody forgot about. They

02:25:59.319 --> 02:26:02.459
fought, and that was John Peretti's card. So

02:26:02.459 --> 02:26:04.479
John Peretti, who was the commentator for the

02:26:04.479 --> 02:26:06.639
early days of the UFC, then John Peretti went

02:26:06.639 --> 02:26:08.639
over and started his own organization for a while.

02:26:08.940 --> 02:26:12.180
It's crazy. I think sometimes, well, I know.

02:26:12.299 --> 02:26:14.379
Like I said, I'm bad at names, right? But it's

02:26:14.379 --> 02:26:16.579
like I went and fought in Seattle last year.

02:26:18.239 --> 02:26:20.639
This year, a fight in Seattle this year. And

02:26:20.639 --> 02:26:23.680
they did like, there was Amanda Nunes, Robbie

02:26:23.680 --> 02:26:27.280
Lawler, and there was one more. They got inducted

02:26:27.280 --> 02:26:31.760
into the Hall of Fame this year. And nobody could

02:26:31.760 --> 02:26:35.940
give like really any fights for whoever the other

02:26:35.940 --> 02:26:38.559
person was. And not many could give too much

02:26:38.559 --> 02:26:40.899
for Robbie Lawler. I was like, bro, how have

02:26:40.899 --> 02:26:42.500
you not heard about Robbie Lawler? Oh, you mean

02:26:42.500 --> 02:26:45.079
they weren't clapping? No, like. So here it is.

02:26:45.200 --> 02:26:47.299
Let me just go over this real quick. Pedonaris.

02:26:48.010 --> 02:26:50.809
His debut fight, Valley Tudor Japan. That's what

02:26:50.809 --> 02:26:55.110
it was. He defeated Rumino Sato. And then Pat

02:26:55.110 --> 02:26:57.750
Melitich for the UFC welterweight title, UFC

02:26:57.750 --> 02:27:01.590
21. We lost in the second round, technical knockout.

02:27:01.610 --> 02:27:03.909
And then he fought Kyle Uno. He was a savage.

02:27:03.969 --> 02:27:06.250
I remember him. That ended in a draw. So Genki

02:27:06.250 --> 02:27:09.530
Sudo and Kyle Uno, two savages. And both of those

02:27:09.530 --> 02:27:12.989
fights were draws. And the last one with Genki

02:27:12.989 --> 02:27:15.389
Sudo was his last MMA fight. So how many fights

02:27:15.389 --> 02:27:18.430
did he have overall? Four. Four fights. But,

02:27:18.430 --> 02:27:21.129
shit, they're all good. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he fought

02:27:21.129 --> 02:27:24.170
legit guys, man. Yeah. He beat Roman Asato. You

02:27:24.170 --> 02:27:26.049
know, Roman Asato, man, was fucking terrifying

02:27:26.049 --> 02:27:30.110
back then. KO, soccer kick KO. Oof. Damn. Yeah.

02:27:30.209 --> 02:27:33.649
But, yeah, it was like, it was just different,

02:27:33.770 --> 02:27:35.469
man. That time frame is just different, you know?

02:27:35.549 --> 02:27:39.670
Well, it is, it's the birth of the sport. And

02:27:39.670 --> 02:27:42.790
it's kind of amazing to have been there at the

02:27:42.790 --> 02:27:45.469
very beginning and to be able to watch it. you

02:27:45.469 --> 02:27:47.989
know um when i when i i first found out about

02:27:47.989 --> 02:27:49.729
it i couldn't believe it was real i had a bunch

02:27:49.729 --> 02:27:51.809
of friends that told me about it i think i i

02:27:51.809 --> 02:27:54.149
heard about it from dudes at uh do you remember

02:27:54.149 --> 02:27:56.290
benny urquidez do you know who he was no i don't

02:27:56.290 --> 02:27:58.909
know benny the jet was a famous kickboxer now

02:27:58.909 --> 02:28:00.569
i'm really going back i feel like i know that

02:28:00.569 --> 02:28:03.090
name he was one of the best kickboxers of all

02:28:03.090 --> 02:28:06.469
time and this was like way back in the day, like

02:28:06.469 --> 02:28:08.950
in the early 80s. Benny the Jet was the fucking

02:28:08.950 --> 02:28:11.809
man in the late 70s and the early 80s, and he

02:28:11.809 --> 02:28:14.670
had this gym in California, in Van Nuys, California,

02:28:14.790 --> 02:28:16.989
called the Jet Center. When I first moved out

02:28:16.989 --> 02:28:19.149
to California, there's two places I knew I really

02:28:19.149 --> 02:28:21.190
had to go. One was the comedy store, and the

02:28:21.190 --> 02:28:24.250
other was the Jet Center. And so I got to work

02:28:24.250 --> 02:28:26.750
out at the Jet Center, and Benny was there, and

02:28:26.750 --> 02:28:30.450
his cousin Blinky, he was there, and Blinky Rodriguez,

02:28:30.969 --> 02:28:34.139
who was another elite kickboxer. who actually

02:28:34.139 --> 02:28:35.940
knocked out Jean -Yves Thériault, who's like

02:28:35.940 --> 02:28:38.020
one of the best kickboxers of all time. So it

02:28:38.020 --> 02:28:41.159
was like this incredible gym. But Benny the Jet

02:28:41.159 --> 02:28:46.260
Urquidez was like, he was early, like the Bill

02:28:46.260 --> 02:28:48.559
Superfoot Wallace days, like back in those days.

02:28:49.360 --> 02:28:53.579
And I forget what I was just saying. I lost my

02:28:53.579 --> 02:28:55.120
train of thought. What were we just talking about

02:28:55.120 --> 02:29:00.459
before that? Yeah, you moved to LA. Yeah, but

02:29:00.459 --> 02:29:02.920
I had a point. I had a point about these early

02:29:02.920 --> 02:29:04.780
MMA fighters. Oh, you were saying it's the birth

02:29:04.780 --> 02:29:08.059
of... The birth of the sport. So watching that,

02:29:08.239 --> 02:29:10.760
this is what my point was, watching that where

02:29:10.760 --> 02:29:14.319
there was not even leg kicks to watching all

02:29:14.319 --> 02:29:17.360
of a sudden you see Rick Rufus and he fought

02:29:17.360 --> 02:29:19.059
that dude from Thailand, like one of the most

02:29:19.059 --> 02:29:20.840
important fights in the history of martial arts

02:29:20.840 --> 02:29:22.159
because you get to see that dude from Thailand

02:29:22.159 --> 02:29:25.979
just chop Rick Rufus' legs apart. And then Rick

02:29:25.979 --> 02:29:28.659
and Duke... Both learned from that and said,

02:29:28.680 --> 02:29:30.260
OK, we've got to incorporate that into our game.

02:29:30.340 --> 02:29:32.799
Duke becomes a world Muay Thai champion after

02:29:32.799 --> 02:29:35.760
that. And then Duke becomes one of the best MMA

02:29:35.760 --> 02:29:39.020
coaches ever. So it changes the entire course

02:29:39.020 --> 02:29:42.799
of the sport. And when I got into it. And started

02:29:42.799 --> 02:29:46.260
watching it. That's what it was. So the Jet Center,

02:29:46.420 --> 02:29:47.600
one of the guys from the Jet Center was like,

02:29:47.639 --> 02:29:48.860
you've got to see this thing. It's called the

02:29:48.860 --> 02:29:51.600
UFC. This was in 94. I was like, what? What is

02:29:51.600 --> 02:29:55.319
it? It was UFC 2. I didn't even see UFC 1. I

02:29:55.319 --> 02:29:56.959
saw UFC 2 because that was the only one that

02:29:56.959 --> 02:29:59.819
was available on VHS. So I watched UFC 2, and

02:29:59.819 --> 02:30:02.360
I was like, this is crazy. I'm like, how is this

02:30:02.360 --> 02:30:05.520
guy doing this? And I was like, oh, my God. How

02:30:05.520 --> 02:30:07.739
is everybody so vulnerable to this one guy? This

02:30:07.739 --> 02:30:10.040
is nuts. So I was like, I've got to train jiu

02:30:10.040 --> 02:30:14.709
-jitsu. Watching all of these people from that

02:30:14.709 --> 02:30:19.049
era and watching the level of the competition

02:30:19.049 --> 02:30:21.889
at that era and what the fights looked like versus

02:30:21.889 --> 02:30:25.629
today, there's not another sport on earth where

02:30:25.629 --> 02:30:28.950
you could see a gigantic difference between 1994

02:30:28.950 --> 02:30:33.350
and 2025. Like a gigantic difference where it's

02:30:33.350 --> 02:30:36.149
unrecognizable. Like that kid that you were talking

02:30:36.149 --> 02:30:37.610
about before, the 18 -year -old kid, what's his

02:30:37.610 --> 02:30:39.489
name again? Ansar. That guy would have been a

02:30:39.489 --> 02:30:42.510
world champion. Easy. A world champion. Yeah,

02:30:42.510 --> 02:30:44.229
easy. No one would have fucked with him. We would

02:30:44.229 --> 02:30:45.790
have said, this is the greatest fighter that's

02:30:45.790 --> 02:30:47.290
ever walked the face of the planet. For sure.

02:30:47.290 --> 02:30:50.290
And he's a kid that's on undercards of small

02:30:50.290 --> 02:30:52.909
regional shows now. Right? How crazy is that?

02:30:53.090 --> 02:30:54.770
So when you're seeing these guys in the Dana

02:30:54.770 --> 02:30:57.010
White Contender Series, some of these guys coming

02:30:57.010 --> 02:30:59.149
up, I'm watching them fight for their first fight

02:30:59.149 --> 02:31:00.850
in the Contender Series. I'm like, this guy looks

02:31:00.850 --> 02:31:02.690
like he'd be fighting for the title. They're

02:31:02.690 --> 02:31:05.409
complete fighters. They're fast. They have good

02:31:05.409 --> 02:31:06.950
technique. Everything they're doing is smart.

02:31:07.309 --> 02:31:10.659
It's like... The level has changed so much in

02:31:10.659 --> 02:31:13.200
such a short period of time. And I feel so lucky

02:31:13.200 --> 02:31:15.360
to be able to see the whole thing. I saw the

02:31:15.360 --> 02:31:17.860
whole thing, like from the ground floor to today.

02:31:18.120 --> 02:31:21.340
It's crazy because you probably hear it all the

02:31:21.340 --> 02:31:23.700
time, right? Like I was probably watching Fear

02:31:23.700 --> 02:31:27.139
Factor before I knew the UFC. So when I saw the

02:31:27.139 --> 02:31:30.559
UFC, I was like, Dad, look, it's him. He was

02:31:30.559 --> 02:31:32.559
like, he looks at me because obviously my dad's

02:31:32.559 --> 02:31:34.799
seen it before. He's like, yes, son. been around

02:31:34.799 --> 02:31:37.299
a while you know he's been in the UFC I don't

02:31:37.299 --> 02:31:39.020
even know if it was longer but I'm sure it was

02:31:39.020 --> 02:31:41.079
yeah I was I started working for the UFC in 97

02:31:41.079 --> 02:31:43.879
so he was like he's always been there so then

02:31:43.879 --> 02:31:46.059
obviously as I get older I start seeing history

02:31:46.059 --> 02:31:48.700
and looking at old fights and older fights and

02:31:48.700 --> 02:31:51.059
I see I noticed you there the whole time and

02:31:51.059 --> 02:31:53.000
like me and my friend Tuco had these conversations

02:31:53.000 --> 02:31:56.860
but I was like bro Joe's a real one though he's

02:31:56.860 --> 02:31:59.559
he's been here the whole time like how awesome

02:31:59.559 --> 02:32:02.579
does that have to be for like you Dana for Tito's

02:32:03.069 --> 02:32:05.489
And probably a few others, too, that nobody knows

02:32:05.489 --> 02:32:08.190
that have seen this thing grow from what it was

02:32:08.190 --> 02:32:11.090
to what it is today. Oh, it's amazing. It's got

02:32:11.090 --> 02:32:14.229
to be. It's amazing. Yeah, I feel so lucky. I'm

02:32:14.229 --> 02:32:16.250
so fortunate. Like, it's one of the things I

02:32:16.250 --> 02:32:18.790
look forward to more than anything in life. And

02:32:18.790 --> 02:32:20.770
like you said. UFC weekend, I'm like, oh, boy,

02:32:20.870 --> 02:32:22.950
here we go. I get so excited. I've been doing

02:32:22.950 --> 02:32:26.549
this forever. I still, I started UFC 12 in 1997.

02:32:26.870 --> 02:32:29.209
That was the first fight that I ever did backstage

02:32:29.209 --> 02:32:31.170
interviews. That's what I did. Or post -fight

02:32:31.170 --> 02:32:33.409
interviews, too. I think I started doing interviews

02:32:33.409 --> 02:32:35.329
backstage, and then I interviewed guys after

02:32:35.329 --> 02:32:38.430
the fight was over. That was early. How did you

02:32:38.430 --> 02:32:43.309
start there? It was a crazy fluke. So I was already

02:32:43.309 --> 02:32:45.250
doing jiu -jitsu. I was at Carlson Gracie's.

02:32:45.309 --> 02:32:47.610
This was back before Vitor made his debut. I

02:32:47.610 --> 02:32:52.170
was training with Vitor's gym with Mario Sperry.

02:32:52.290 --> 02:32:54.129
I took lessons from Mario Sperry when I was a

02:32:54.129 --> 02:32:56.850
white belt. It was awesome, dude. Murillo Bustamante

02:32:56.850 --> 02:33:01.809
was there all the time. There was a ton of the—

02:33:01.840 --> 02:33:04.059
the Carlson -Gracie killers, the two bulldogs

02:33:04.059 --> 02:33:06.479
fighting each other. And Carlson was there every

02:33:06.479 --> 02:33:10.659
day. So I got to train there when I was on News

02:33:10.659 --> 02:33:15.299
Radio, the sitcom. It was just like 1996. And

02:33:15.299 --> 02:33:19.159
I just loved that. This was before Vitor fought

02:33:19.159 --> 02:33:21.200
in the UFC. So while he was training at the gym

02:33:21.200 --> 02:33:23.639
with us, he went and fought this guy, John Hess.

02:33:23.979 --> 02:33:25.920
John Hess was this big, tall. He fought in the

02:33:25.920 --> 02:33:28.809
UFC as well, I believe. I believe he did. John

02:33:28.809 --> 02:33:31.909
Hess was his, he had a style called SAFTA. I

02:33:31.909 --> 02:33:33.610
forget what it was about, but it was like back

02:33:33.610 --> 02:33:35.090
then dudes would just like make up their own

02:33:35.090 --> 02:33:37.950
style, street fighting, artistic, finger fucking,

02:33:38.190 --> 02:33:40.409
you know, they would make up some sort of a fucking

02:33:40.409 --> 02:33:45.149
acronym. But Vitor. blitzed across the ring he

02:33:45.149 --> 02:33:47.750
was 19 years old and just lit this guy up like

02:33:47.750 --> 02:33:53.090
a machine gun like got him down like put him

02:33:53.090 --> 02:33:55.129
out on the ground like it was so crazy and so

02:33:55.129 --> 02:33:58.510
fast the most ferocious display of ground and

02:33:58.510 --> 02:34:00.469
pound i had ever seen in my life at the time

02:34:00.469 --> 02:34:04.950
and i was like this is crazy and so just randomly

02:34:04.950 --> 02:34:08.670
they had a guy who was doing the post fight interviews

02:34:08.670 --> 02:34:11.430
and they wanted to get a new guy and they were

02:34:11.430 --> 02:34:14.790
looking for people and The guy, Campbell McLaren,

02:34:14.809 --> 02:34:16.590
who is the producer of the UFC, happened to be

02:34:16.590 --> 02:34:18.909
friends with my manager from the comedy club

02:34:18.909 --> 02:34:21.629
days. Campbell used to work at a comedy club

02:34:21.629 --> 02:34:23.989
with my manager. And they were just shooting

02:34:23.989 --> 02:34:25.590
the shit over the phone. He goes, hey, I'm looking

02:34:25.590 --> 02:34:29.129
for someone to do interviews for the UFC. Do

02:34:29.129 --> 02:34:30.270
you know anybody that would be interested? And

02:34:30.270 --> 02:34:32.790
he goes, like, Joe is a huge fan. He's like,

02:34:32.829 --> 02:34:34.809
Joe watches every one of them. I actually got

02:34:34.809 --> 02:34:37.049
DirecTV just so I could watch the UFC because

02:34:37.049 --> 02:34:38.989
that's when it was banned from cable. So I got

02:34:38.989 --> 02:34:41.729
my cable removed and I got DirecTV put in my

02:34:41.729 --> 02:34:43.930
house. Just so I could watch the UFC. Because

02:34:43.930 --> 02:34:45.969
it was the only way you could catch it. And then

02:34:45.969 --> 02:34:49.090
it was no money. And I was supposed to fly to

02:34:49.090 --> 02:34:51.549
New York. But then the last minute it got canceled.

02:34:51.629 --> 02:34:53.389
They made it illegal in New York. And we had

02:34:53.389 --> 02:34:56.409
to fly to Dothan, Alabama on a fucking propeller

02:34:56.409 --> 02:35:00.010
plane. I shared a propeller plane with Randy

02:35:00.010 --> 02:35:06.629
Couture. And actually that was later. That was

02:35:06.629 --> 02:35:08.370
in Louisiana. I shared a propeller plane with

02:35:08.370 --> 02:35:10.920
Randy Couture. But Randy didn't fight that. But

02:35:10.920 --> 02:35:14.739
it was Vitor made his debut against Trey Telegman.

02:35:15.239 --> 02:35:16.780
And everybody thought he was a jiu -jitsu guy

02:35:16.780 --> 02:35:18.819
because he was from Carlson Gracie. He had a

02:35:18.819 --> 02:35:22.399
black belt. And he just came out just throwing

02:35:22.399 --> 02:35:26.940
missiles. Just missiles. So fast. Like nobody

02:35:26.940 --> 02:35:28.500
had seen anything like that. And he was only

02:35:28.500 --> 02:35:31.559
like 200 pounds back then. He was light and fast

02:35:31.559 --> 02:35:34.540
and strong as shit. And then he fought Scott

02:35:34.540 --> 02:35:37.540
Ferrozzo and took him out in the finals. So he

02:35:37.540 --> 02:35:39.659
won this heavyweight tournament. And that was

02:35:39.659 --> 02:35:43.149
1997. That's crazy. That was the third person

02:35:43.149 --> 02:35:44.770
I was trying to think of when I was in Seattle.

02:35:44.930 --> 02:35:47.549
So basically what happened, UFC was asking fighters,

02:35:47.850 --> 02:35:50.969
hey, these three guys, they weren't saying they

02:35:50.969 --> 02:35:52.670
were getting inducted, but obviously if you've

02:35:52.670 --> 02:35:54.450
been around. Oh, it was Vitor? It was Vitor,

02:35:54.709 --> 02:35:57.719
Amanda Nunez. And Robbie Lawler. They weren't

02:35:57.719 --> 02:35:59.899
cheering for Vitor? That's crazy. No, they were

02:35:59.899 --> 02:36:02.020
asking the fighters, right? They were asking

02:36:02.020 --> 02:36:05.139
the fighters, hey, do you know who these guys

02:36:05.139 --> 02:36:07.940
are? If you do, what's your most memorable moment

02:36:07.940 --> 02:36:10.639
of them? What was your favorite moment? Like

02:36:10.639 --> 02:36:12.079
anything like that, right? Because obviously

02:36:12.079 --> 02:36:13.879
they put it on the montage when they announce

02:36:13.879 --> 02:36:19.319
it. Right. And they told me that only me and

02:36:19.319 --> 02:36:22.520
two other fighters on the entire card could give

02:36:22.520 --> 02:36:26.159
a fight from Vitor. I was like, no way. I was

02:36:26.159 --> 02:36:27.979
like, that highlight that you're talking about

02:36:27.979 --> 02:36:30.360
when he sprints across, even if you don't know

02:36:30.360 --> 02:36:32.040
the person, how do you not see that highlight?

02:36:32.280 --> 02:36:33.920
When he did that to Vanderlei, remember we did

02:36:33.920 --> 02:36:34.979
it to Vanderlei Silva? That's the one I said.

02:36:34.979 --> 02:36:37.120
That's what I said. That was my, Vanderlei was

02:36:37.120 --> 02:36:39.639
that one. That was crazy, but I think the scariest

02:36:39.639 --> 02:36:44.680
Vitor of all time was TRT Vitor. TRT Vitor was

02:36:44.680 --> 02:36:46.780
the scariest fucking human being that ever stepped

02:36:46.780 --> 02:36:50.579
into that cage. If they never banned TRT. I think

02:36:50.579 --> 02:36:52.920
that guy would have been a terror for every fucking

02:36:52.920 --> 02:36:56.219
human being that weighed 185 pounds. For sure.

02:36:56.319 --> 02:36:58.620
The way he wheel kicked Luke Rockhold, like what

02:36:58.620 --> 02:37:01.719
the fuck are we looking at, man? We never saw

02:37:01.719 --> 02:37:03.520
him throw a wheel kick in his whole career. All

02:37:03.520 --> 02:37:04.940
of a sudden he's wheel kicking guys in the head?

02:37:05.139 --> 02:37:07.559
He come in the gym, because obviously he lived

02:37:07.559 --> 02:37:09.600
in Florida. He come in the gym and he is the

02:37:09.600 --> 02:37:11.780
nicest guy. Brother, brother, come here, come

02:37:11.780 --> 02:37:13.760
here. Very nice guy. Let's talk about it. Hey,

02:37:13.879 --> 02:37:17.389
I think... I think you need to slow down a little

02:37:17.389 --> 02:37:20.209
bit. These 100 % every days, no good, brother.

02:37:20.569 --> 02:37:22.569
He said, why don't you come? We can have some

02:37:22.569 --> 02:37:25.290
coffee, have lunch, and let's talk about it.

02:37:25.329 --> 02:37:28.510
I love the science behind the sport. Wow. But

02:37:28.510 --> 02:37:30.209
super nice guy, right? Like those are conversations

02:37:30.209 --> 02:37:33.110
that I had with him. And if I see him, great

02:37:33.110 --> 02:37:35.229
guy. Before this, never had a conversation with

02:37:35.229 --> 02:37:37.770
him. Only watched him on TV, you know? But that

02:37:37.770 --> 02:37:39.549
was like the first interaction I ever had with

02:37:39.549 --> 02:37:41.670
Vitor as a person. I don't know if he knew who

02:37:41.670 --> 02:37:43.690
I was. He just watched me spar and then come

02:37:43.690 --> 02:37:46.430
to me after. That was it. That's very nice of

02:37:46.430 --> 02:37:48.530
him. Yeah, super nice guy. And for a real OG

02:37:48.530 --> 02:37:51.149
like him that's been, again, fighting since 1997.

02:37:51.950 --> 02:37:55.969
1997? That's almost 30 years. That's literally

02:37:55.969 --> 02:37:58.209
crazy. Dude, it hurt my heart when they said

02:37:58.209 --> 02:38:00.930
that people couldn't say fights for him. Couldn't

02:38:00.930 --> 02:38:02.989
even say a highlight. It's hard. You know, these

02:38:02.989 --> 02:38:05.969
young guys, a lot of them are 25 years old, 24

02:38:05.969 --> 02:38:08.350
years old. They didn't watch the sport. Joshua

02:38:08.350 --> 02:38:10.629
Vann, 24, right? They didn't watch the sport

02:38:10.629 --> 02:38:13.270
a lot before they were involved in it. And the

02:38:13.270 --> 02:38:15.600
fights that they've really seen. a lot of in

02:38:15.600 --> 02:38:17.520
the last few years. Yeah. And that's what Josh

02:38:17.520 --> 02:38:19.120
Vann, that's why I said his name. He's young,

02:38:19.200 --> 02:38:20.520
but he says the same thing because they were

02:38:20.520 --> 02:38:22.000
like, why do you think Pantoja's the GOAT? He's

02:38:22.000 --> 02:38:24.340
like, I know Demetrius Johnson is what everyone

02:38:24.340 --> 02:38:27.159
says. He was like, but I never got to see him,

02:38:27.239 --> 02:38:29.840
you know, like I was too young. That's crazy

02:38:29.840 --> 02:38:32.739
too. Go watch. It's online. Yeah. Go see it,

02:38:32.739 --> 02:38:34.500
Joshua. YouTube's free, bro. You're the champ

02:38:34.500 --> 02:38:37.040
now, Joshua. Go back and watch Mighty Mouse because

02:38:37.040 --> 02:38:40.020
that motherfucker was extraordinary. He was.

02:38:40.059 --> 02:38:42.399
Mighty Mouse in his time was extraordinary. He

02:38:42.399 --> 02:38:44.399
was so special when he fought that big Brazilian

02:38:44.399 --> 02:38:46.360
kid and won. Uh -huh. Right? Because he lost

02:38:46.360 --> 02:38:47.719
one and then he beat him twice, right? Lost the

02:38:47.719 --> 02:38:50.000
first time in one championship and then he got

02:38:50.000 --> 02:38:52.219
KO'd and then KO'd him the exact same way. Really?

02:38:52.319 --> 02:38:54.059
With a knee. Yeah. I didn't know it was the same

02:38:54.059 --> 02:38:55.659
way. They both got KO'd with knees and both got

02:38:55.659 --> 02:38:58.159
KO'd against the cage with knees. Wow. It was

02:38:58.159 --> 02:39:00.459
literally like almost the exact same, except

02:39:00.459 --> 02:39:03.579
Demetrius's was more artistic. It was beautiful.

02:39:03.700 --> 02:39:06.750
The flow. Where he was like chasing him. He rocked

02:39:06.750 --> 02:39:08.709
him. And then he's chasing him down. He's like,

02:39:08.790 --> 02:39:11.590
not yet. There it is. And he just launches and

02:39:11.590 --> 02:39:13.229
catches him with this. You've seen it, right?

02:39:13.290 --> 02:39:14.930
Yeah, I've seen it. Oh, my God. I didn't know

02:39:14.930 --> 02:39:16.409
it was the same way. What is that dude's name?

02:39:16.489 --> 02:39:21.389
The dude he KO'd? Andre? I don't know. Search

02:39:21.389 --> 02:39:26.729
Demetrius Johnson flying knee KO one FC. I bet

02:39:26.729 --> 02:39:31.559
you'll find it. Yeah, Adriano Moraes. That's

02:39:31.559 --> 02:39:34.159
it. That's it. And Moraes is good, dude. He's

02:39:34.159 --> 02:39:36.799
really good. He's really big. And one FC's got

02:39:36.799 --> 02:39:41.040
that squirrely, weight -cutting jazz. So this

02:39:41.040 --> 02:39:43.799
is the second fight after Moraes had KO'd him

02:39:43.799 --> 02:39:45.940
in the first fight. And also, this is a DJ that's

02:39:45.940 --> 02:39:48.379
probably 35 years old, right? Right. I mean,

02:39:48.459 --> 02:39:51.860
and after a long career in the UFC, widely recognized

02:39:51.860 --> 02:39:53.840
as the greatest flyweight of all time in the

02:39:53.840 --> 02:39:58.049
UFC. To me, he just didn't get the love that

02:39:58.049 --> 02:40:00.489
he deserved when he was in his prime because

02:40:00.489 --> 02:40:04.510
he was 125 pounds. And for whatever reason, I

02:40:04.510 --> 02:40:07.370
mean, it's not like it's not even more interesting

02:40:07.370 --> 02:40:10.309
to watch. But people have this weird thing, like

02:40:10.309 --> 02:40:12.649
a heavyweight could beat anyone in the world.

02:40:12.930 --> 02:40:16.129
125 -pound guy will dump him on his head. Stop.

02:40:16.709 --> 02:40:20.100
Watch him fight. Right there. Boom! Back it up

02:40:20.100 --> 02:40:22.620
a second so you can see the sequence. Look, right

02:40:22.620 --> 02:40:26.639
hand, timing, boom. Perfect. The timing is just

02:40:26.639 --> 02:40:29.579
so beautiful. That's so, look, that's fucking

02:40:29.579 --> 02:40:32.940
artistic, man. That is so artistic. It's perfect.

02:40:33.139 --> 02:40:35.579
And to KO a guy with the shit he KO'd you with

02:40:35.579 --> 02:40:38.100
in the first fight is wild. Dude, I don't know

02:40:38.100 --> 02:40:41.540
much about Demetrius as a person, but from what

02:40:41.540 --> 02:40:43.200
I've seen of him, obviously because you see more

02:40:43.200 --> 02:40:45.520
now that he's doing his streaming and stuff,

02:40:45.620 --> 02:40:48.540
he is like... He's the best. He's the definition

02:40:48.540 --> 02:40:51.219
of a martial artist. He cares about the pureness

02:40:51.219 --> 02:40:53.520
of being a martial artist rather than the views

02:40:53.520 --> 02:40:56.440
or the belt or any of that. So I respect that

02:40:56.440 --> 02:40:58.079
a lot. He's not like talking stupid shit just

02:40:58.079 --> 02:41:00.059
to get attention. He hates people that do that

02:41:00.059 --> 02:41:01.799
kind of stuff. He hates disrespectful stuff.

02:41:02.000 --> 02:41:05.459
He's such a nice guy, but also just so smart

02:41:05.459 --> 02:41:08.719
about his approach to the sport. Just so clever

02:41:08.719 --> 02:41:12.559
inside the cage and also so fucking fast, man.

02:41:12.739 --> 02:41:15.040
Dude, insane reaction. One time I grabbed him

02:41:15.040 --> 02:41:18.129
just being silly. at a UFC he was in front of

02:41:18.129 --> 02:41:19.969
me and I put my arms around him like from behind

02:41:19.969 --> 02:41:22.329
you know like saying hi to somebody and he turned

02:41:22.329 --> 02:41:24.250
around he looked at me he goes he hit me with

02:41:24.250 --> 02:41:26.690
two knees to the body like just touched me it

02:41:26.690 --> 02:41:29.610
was so fast I was like dude that was so scary

02:41:29.610 --> 02:41:33.069
you hit me so fast I didn't even see them coming

02:41:33.069 --> 02:41:37.090
it was like just like just just moved like a

02:41:37.090 --> 02:41:39.540
cat And, you know, like you said, he was probably

02:41:39.540 --> 02:41:41.719
35 or whatever there. He could still compete

02:41:41.719 --> 02:41:43.100
with the best in the world. With the best in

02:41:43.100 --> 02:41:44.840
the world. No problem. And juice -free, too.

02:41:44.979 --> 02:41:46.420
Juice -free with the best in the world. And,

02:41:46.479 --> 02:41:48.659
by the way, over there, I don't know what kind

02:41:48.659 --> 02:41:50.360
of drug test they're doing, but it's probably

02:41:50.360 --> 02:41:56.420
multiple choice. There's a lot of them organizations

02:41:56.420 --> 02:41:59.299
where you're like, how are you testing, really?

02:42:00.100 --> 02:42:02.479
It's multiple choice. You know, because, like,

02:42:02.559 --> 02:42:06.379
if you're not testing. all throughout camp, randomly,

02:42:06.620 --> 02:42:09.440
you're not really testing. Right. Because we

02:42:09.440 --> 02:42:11.959
have to remember that Alistair Overeem, when

02:42:11.959 --> 02:42:14.600
he fought Brock Lesnar, was tested. And that

02:42:14.600 --> 02:42:17.930
is... The juiciest man that's ever walked the

02:42:17.930 --> 02:42:20.790
face of planet Earth. The Alistair Overeem that

02:42:20.790 --> 02:42:23.010
fought Brock Lesnar is the juiciest guy I've

02:42:23.010 --> 02:42:25.250
ever seen fight. It was horse meat. And I wish

02:42:25.250 --> 02:42:28.190
he could keep juicing. I do. I think we would

02:42:28.190 --> 02:42:31.870
have seen a different result. If you let Alistair

02:42:31.870 --> 02:42:37.139
stay juicy and stay 265 with... world -class

02:42:37.139 --> 02:42:40.340
kickboxing skills. And also, he was so jacked

02:42:40.340 --> 02:42:42.760
that he could kind of hide from punches. Because

02:42:42.760 --> 02:42:46.559
when he would shell up, especially in K -1, when

02:42:46.559 --> 02:42:49.020
he had those big gloves, bro, when he would shell

02:42:49.020 --> 02:42:52.000
up, so he's got biceps and shoulders and then

02:42:52.000 --> 02:42:54.719
traps. Everything's all protected. And he's got

02:42:54.719 --> 02:42:56.639
that high guard, and he's coming in like this,

02:42:56.659 --> 02:42:59.399
throwing bombs. And he looks like a superhero.

02:42:59.780 --> 02:43:02.139
He looks like a guy from a fucking comic book.

02:43:02.299 --> 02:43:04.000
Yeah, let's just let everyone juice. If you want

02:43:04.000 --> 02:43:05.530
to juice, just everyone juice. Let's make it

02:43:05.530 --> 02:43:07.309
an even playing field instead of let's try to

02:43:07.309 --> 02:43:09.489
catch who's not or let's catch who's juicing.

02:43:09.670 --> 02:43:12.250
Would you if they just open the gates? Okay.

02:43:12.930 --> 02:43:17.270
Okay. I'll start it off by saying yes. When I

02:43:17.270 --> 02:43:19.590
was younger, I was like, no, I'd never juice.

02:43:19.750 --> 02:43:21.409
I want to be all natural to show everything,

02:43:21.670 --> 02:43:24.329
like show I'm just that good. Then I was like,

02:43:24.329 --> 02:43:26.870
as I got older and seen it, I was like, nah,

02:43:27.309 --> 02:43:33.129
I would. But that's like, I remember I fought

02:43:33.129 --> 02:43:36.000
Eric Anders for LFA, right? And they have pictures

02:43:36.000 --> 02:43:39.299
of him on the scale, the day of the fight, 222,

02:43:39.420 --> 02:43:42.840
223, one of them two, right? I'm stepping in,

02:43:42.899 --> 02:43:44.399
I don't even really cut, I'm stepping in like

02:43:44.399 --> 02:43:47.440
194. I'm young. I don't cut really anything.

02:43:47.940 --> 02:43:49.819
That time I did cut a lot. That was the first

02:43:49.819 --> 02:43:52.459
fight I cut a lot for because I was lifting like

02:43:52.459 --> 02:43:54.219
crazy and I wasn't really doing nothing else

02:43:54.219 --> 02:43:56.040
because I was in Louisiana. I used to train with

02:43:56.040 --> 02:43:59.200
Rich Clemente. Oh, okay. Yeah, so you know he's

02:43:59.200 --> 02:44:01.899
crazy as hell. So I was training there, but I

02:44:01.899 --> 02:44:03.600
was lifting more than anything. But anyway, I

02:44:03.600 --> 02:44:07.079
was probably like, 196 -ish, 197. No more than

02:44:07.079 --> 02:44:11.860
200, for sure. No questions asked. And they come

02:44:11.860 --> 02:44:13.940
in the back that night, and they're like, hey,

02:44:14.000 --> 02:44:17.760
we're drug testing you. I said, what? He said,

02:44:17.799 --> 02:44:18.979
yeah, yeah, we're going to drug test you. It's

02:44:18.979 --> 02:44:21.520
random. I said, well, if it's random, is he getting

02:44:21.520 --> 02:44:25.120
drug tested too? They're like, nah. I said, hold

02:44:25.120 --> 02:44:28.899
on. So you're telling me the man who's weighing

02:44:28.899 --> 02:44:31.760
over 220 and just weighed 185 exact yesterday.

02:44:32.350 --> 02:44:34.010
It's not getting tested, but the guy who's only

02:44:34.010 --> 02:44:37.469
weighing like 14 whatever pounds more is getting

02:44:37.469 --> 02:44:39.610
tested. I pulled up my shirt. I said, does it

02:44:39.610 --> 02:44:41.850
look like I'm on fucking steroids? Does it look

02:44:41.850 --> 02:44:44.010
like it? I said, give me some credit, bro. If

02:44:44.010 --> 02:44:45.870
I was going to take it, I promise you I would

02:44:45.870 --> 02:44:47.870
look like it. And they were like, I'm sorry,

02:44:47.969 --> 02:44:50.180
bro, but this is. It's just our job. I was like,

02:44:50.239 --> 02:44:52.340
all right, let's go get it done. How could you

02:44:52.340 --> 02:44:55.459
randomly test only a few people on a roster?

02:44:55.540 --> 02:44:57.940
That has to be a budget thing. That has to be

02:44:57.940 --> 02:45:00.979
a budget thing. Texas Commission. But that must

02:45:00.979 --> 02:45:03.200
be like they don't want to spend money on everybody.

02:45:03.600 --> 02:45:06.319
I don't know. If you test one guy on the card,

02:45:06.459 --> 02:45:07.860
you should have to test everybody. Yeah, I think

02:45:07.860 --> 02:45:09.799
it was a total of three or four guys is what

02:45:09.799 --> 02:45:11.700
they said. That they tested on the whole card.

02:45:11.840 --> 02:45:14.180
If you're testing a guy, you have to test his

02:45:14.180 --> 02:45:16.659
opponent. Dude. You have to. That's crazy. I

02:45:16.659 --> 02:45:19.000
still, to this day, I laugh about it. I'm like,

02:45:19.079 --> 02:45:21.020
come on, bro. Every time someone asks me, like,

02:45:21.059 --> 02:45:23.040
hey, we're going to do a text you. Come on, bro.

02:45:23.040 --> 02:45:24.600
There was a few fights where they stopped. They

02:45:24.600 --> 02:45:27.340
wouldn't let a guy fight because they, in the

02:45:27.340 --> 02:45:30.120
TRT days, they did test to see what people's

02:45:30.120 --> 02:45:32.500
levels are. And one guy, I don't want to say

02:45:32.500 --> 02:45:35.219
his name, but one guy was so high that they canceled

02:45:35.219 --> 02:45:37.360
the main event. Really? Yeah. They canceled the

02:45:37.360 --> 02:45:40.159
main event at the weigh -in. Yeah. Wow. Yeah.

02:45:40.180 --> 02:45:42.319
I didn't know that. He was so juicy. They were

02:45:42.319 --> 02:45:44.200
worried that he was going to die. They were like,

02:45:44.340 --> 02:45:47.719
you could like your levels or whatever you fucking

02:45:47.719 --> 02:45:50.280
did. You should not be fighting with this level

02:45:50.280 --> 02:45:53.260
of testosterone in your system. Also on TRT.

02:45:53.379 --> 02:45:55.979
So it wasn't like this guy's just some genetic

02:45:55.979 --> 02:45:58.299
freak like y 'all Romero coming out of the Cuban

02:45:58.299 --> 02:46:00.420
sports program. No, it wasn't. He's a special

02:46:00.420 --> 02:46:02.799
human too. That's a special human. Yeah. Do you

02:46:02.799 --> 02:46:06.799
ever heard of a guy, Clovis? I think Clovis Hancock.

02:46:06.860 --> 02:46:11.260
He died in the fight. I think it was for Legacy

02:46:11.260 --> 02:46:16.500
or LFA. I fought him. Then his next fight, he

02:46:16.500 --> 02:46:19.819
died in the cage and they brought him back. Whoa.

02:46:20.020 --> 02:46:22.659
Yeah, CPR. It was all over the internet. I fought

02:46:22.659 --> 02:46:25.360
that dude. I was like, no way. I saw that the

02:46:25.360 --> 02:46:27.700
next day. I seen it. Yeah, they had to give him

02:46:27.700 --> 02:46:31.299
CPR until the ambulance got him loaded up and

02:46:31.299 --> 02:46:33.120
taken to the hospital. So his heart just stopped

02:46:33.120 --> 02:46:35.829
beating? Wow. Obviously never allowed to fight

02:46:35.829 --> 02:46:38.309
again. Obviously, yeah. Yeah, man. Crazy. Imagine

02:46:38.309 --> 02:46:40.690
if he wanted to. Oh, my God. He probably did,

02:46:40.770 --> 02:46:41.950
bro. He was funny. I ain't going to lie. Some

02:46:41.950 --> 02:46:44.250
guys just have that dog in them. They don't care.

02:46:44.709 --> 02:46:46.469
Cyborg wanted to fight again after he got his

02:46:46.469 --> 02:46:49.309
skull crushed by MVP. No way. Yeah, he thought

02:46:49.309 --> 02:46:51.229
he was going to fight again after that. So here

02:46:51.229 --> 02:46:53.069
it is. Can you imagine being in the audience

02:46:53.069 --> 02:46:55.389
watching that? They're doing fucking CPR on a

02:46:55.389 --> 02:46:59.790
dude. Oh, my God. That's so scary. Yeah, yeah.

02:46:59.809 --> 02:47:01.209
I remember he was the cut man for it. That's

02:47:01.209 --> 02:47:05.079
so scary. Yeah, man, it's crazy. Well, thank

02:47:05.079 --> 02:47:08.340
God they have those EMTs on standby. For sure.

02:47:08.559 --> 02:47:10.159
These organizations, they do their very best

02:47:10.159 --> 02:47:11.620
to screen people and make sure that they're as

02:47:11.620 --> 02:47:14.000
healthy as possible. The UFC does a real good

02:47:14.000 --> 02:47:16.989
job with that. Dead for five minutes. He was

02:47:16.989 --> 02:47:18.909
dead for five minutes? The cut man was the guy

02:47:18.909 --> 02:47:20.709
that was giving him CPR. It wasn't even the EMTs.

02:47:20.950 --> 02:47:24.750
Oh, my God. Thank God the cut man knew CPR. Holy

02:47:24.750 --> 02:47:27.969
shit, dude. Yeah, it's crazy. Well, you know,

02:47:28.069 --> 02:47:31.209
it reminds you this is not a game. It's for sure.

02:47:31.350 --> 02:47:33.750
It's a crazy -ass fucking sport. So what's next

02:47:33.750 --> 02:47:35.510
for you? Do you know? Do they have you lined

02:47:35.510 --> 02:47:39.530
up for anything? No. I've been pushing. Hopefully,

02:47:39.709 --> 02:47:42.750
Dracus. Hopefully, March, April at the latest.

02:47:44.250 --> 02:47:46.430
So do you need that much time to prepare, or

02:47:46.430 --> 02:47:50.670
is that how you'd like to? Yeah, I started training

02:47:50.670 --> 02:47:55.309
again today, matter of fact. Maybe that'll get

02:47:55.309 --> 02:47:57.649
him excited about fighting you. Huh? Maybe that'll

02:47:57.649 --> 02:47:58.690
get him excited about fighting you. Who knows,

02:47:58.790 --> 02:48:00.870
man? Maybe that's a trap. If I was Dracus, I'm

02:48:00.870 --> 02:48:02.469
like, this motherfucker probably has a full six

02:48:02.469 --> 02:48:03.829
-pack if he takes his shirt off. He's probably

02:48:03.829 --> 02:48:05.389
ripped his fuck. Six -pack of rolls. He's ready

02:48:05.389 --> 02:48:08.110
to go. He's just bullshitting, saying he hasn't

02:48:08.110 --> 02:48:10.149
been training to goad me into a fight. Yeah,

02:48:10.190 --> 02:48:12.809
man. So Drikus is the guy that you're hoping

02:48:12.809 --> 02:48:16.030
for. Yes, sir. And it makes sense. Like, it's

02:48:16.030 --> 02:48:18.110
just the right time. Like I said, Imoval is going

02:48:18.110 --> 02:48:19.649
to wait for the champion. He earned his spot.

02:48:20.010 --> 02:48:23.770
They just announced Fluffy and Shawn. So what's

02:48:23.770 --> 02:48:26.489
left? It's just me and him. It's a good fight,

02:48:26.489 --> 02:48:28.389
too. It would be a great fight to watch. And

02:48:28.389 --> 02:48:32.569
a good fight, you know, for you, obviously, fighting

02:48:32.569 --> 02:48:34.989
former champion, you know, in his next. And for

02:48:34.989 --> 02:48:37.959
Drikus, it's like that's a. That's the kind of

02:48:37.959 --> 02:48:39.840
fight you need at this point. You need to turn

02:48:39.840 --> 02:48:41.739
back the young lions. I've been trying to fight

02:48:41.739 --> 02:48:44.760
him since he got into the UFC. I just felt like

02:48:44.760 --> 02:48:46.819
I still feel this way. I feel like he's the luckiest

02:48:46.819 --> 02:48:48.959
guy I've ever seen. Don't get me wrong. He does

02:48:48.959 --> 02:48:51.120
have a couple fights now. But before he got the

02:48:51.120 --> 02:48:54.000
belt, I always said he's the luckiest guy. Marcus

02:48:54.000 --> 02:48:58.739
Perez was beating his ass. Marcus Perez wanted

02:48:58.739 --> 02:49:00.760
to do something crazy and went to throw a spinning

02:49:00.760 --> 02:49:03.899
elbow. Jerkus was throwing a body shot when he

02:49:03.899 --> 02:49:05.280
was throwing the spinning elbow and he hit him

02:49:05.280 --> 02:49:07.940
right in the mouth. Drick has hit Marcus right

02:49:07.940 --> 02:49:10.860
in the mouth. Out. I don't think you can call

02:49:10.860 --> 02:49:13.239
that lucky. I don't know. I know what you're

02:49:13.239 --> 02:49:15.819
saying, but he finds a way to win. The dude's

02:49:15.819 --> 02:49:18.600
a dog. He is a dog. He finds a way to win. You

02:49:18.600 --> 02:49:20.440
know, I mean, think about some of them fights

02:49:20.440 --> 02:49:22.379
that were just like, like the Adesanya fight.

02:49:22.540 --> 02:49:25.600
Like, he just kept coming and found a way to

02:49:25.600 --> 02:49:27.299
win. Yeah, I do like that about him. The Robert

02:49:27.299 --> 02:49:28.579
Whitaker fight, we took Whitaker out in the first

02:49:28.579 --> 02:49:30.659
round. You can't, there's no luck. No, you're

02:49:30.659 --> 02:49:32.639
right. That one's... I don't see luck in that

02:49:32.639 --> 02:49:34.899
one. I think that was a great strategy. He's

02:49:34.899 --> 02:49:38.420
a fucking animal, dude. Honestly, we can say

02:49:38.420 --> 02:49:40.159
whatever we want about each other. He can joke,

02:49:40.239 --> 02:49:43.639
talk shit, whatever the case. But I love the

02:49:43.639 --> 02:49:47.479
fight because I know he's coming to fight. He's

02:49:47.479 --> 02:49:52.559
coming to kill. For sure. I love that. I've had

02:49:52.559 --> 02:49:54.319
him, but I don't like the guys that just want

02:49:54.319 --> 02:49:57.649
to hug. He's trying to hurt me. I love that.

02:49:57.709 --> 02:49:59.909
That nervousness brings out the best version

02:49:59.909 --> 02:50:02.290
of me because I'm nervous. Who's not nervous

02:50:02.290 --> 02:50:06.209
of another man? He's trying to hurt me. And to

02:50:06.209 --> 02:50:10.030
me, one of his best attributes is exactly what

02:50:10.030 --> 02:50:13.069
you said. You describe it as he finds a way to

02:50:13.069 --> 02:50:16.049
win. That's a great way. For me, I'm just like,

02:50:16.149 --> 02:50:19.090
that dude can dig deep. Same exact thing. Look,

02:50:19.090 --> 02:50:21.010
even in the Hamzat fight, even in the Hamzat

02:50:21.010 --> 02:50:23.510
fight, remember the fifth round? Yep. Fifth round,

02:50:23.590 --> 02:50:26.479
he's on top. dropping bombs on Hamzat at one

02:50:26.479 --> 02:50:28.180
point in time. It was a little too late, and

02:50:28.180 --> 02:50:30.700
he didn't get him out of there, but he was not

02:50:30.700 --> 02:50:33.479
giving up. He just was getting dominated. There's

02:50:33.479 --> 02:50:35.579
a difference. For sure. He was still trying to

02:50:35.579 --> 02:50:38.420
find a way to win. But I love that. That motivates

02:50:38.420 --> 02:50:40.739
me by itself. I love hearing that. I want a guy

02:50:40.739 --> 02:50:42.399
that's going to try to come kill me, because

02:50:42.399 --> 02:50:43.739
what's the worst that's going to happen? He knocks

02:50:43.739 --> 02:50:48.260
me out? Okay. Okay. That's what we came to do

02:50:48.260 --> 02:50:50.959
anyway. Any man could do it. I've been TKO'd

02:50:50.959 --> 02:50:54.340
before. All right, cool. But I can do it to you

02:50:54.340 --> 02:50:59.040
too. So I love that aspect of the fight. That's

02:50:59.040 --> 02:51:01.040
my favorite thing. That's what motivates me about

02:51:01.040 --> 02:51:03.940
the fight more than the number. The danger. Yeah,

02:51:04.000 --> 02:51:07.559
I like that. And I feel like I really truly haven't

02:51:07.559 --> 02:51:12.299
had that in a while. Some guys look at it as

02:51:12.299 --> 02:51:14.840
a sport and some guys really mean it. Like, I'm

02:51:14.840 --> 02:51:17.879
trying to hurt you. And I like that. It brings

02:51:17.879 --> 02:51:19.600
that out in me too because I'm trying to hurt

02:51:19.600 --> 02:51:20.799
you. All right, you're going to try to hurt me?

02:51:21.309 --> 02:51:23.670
I'm going to try to hurt you. Or, you know, I

02:51:23.670 --> 02:51:25.229
don't know. But that's just how I look at the

02:51:25.229 --> 02:51:27.190
fight, and it really, like, excites me. Like,

02:51:27.209 --> 02:51:29.790
that's that demonic side of me coming out. Like,

02:51:29.889 --> 02:51:33.469
let's see. I'm ready. Well, I love hearing that,

02:51:33.569 --> 02:51:35.610
and I love the fight. I hope you get it. Thank

02:51:35.610 --> 02:51:37.629
you. And thanks for being here, man. It was great

02:51:37.629 --> 02:51:39.510
talking to you. Let everybody know how they can

02:51:39.510 --> 02:51:44.629
find you on social. Yeah, on Instagram, at BrennanAllen185,

02:51:44.809 --> 02:51:49.229
or B underscore Allen185. And that's really about

02:51:49.229 --> 02:51:51.940
B. I'm just kind of chill. I'm low key. All right,

02:51:51.959 --> 02:51:53.680
brother. Well, hopefully next time I'll talk

02:51:53.680 --> 02:51:55.620
to you, it's after a victory. Yes, sir. Thank

02:51:55.620 --> 02:51:56.860
you for having me. My pleasure, brother. It's

02:51:56.860 --> 02:51:57.959
such a pleasure being here with all you guys.

02:51:58.020 --> 02:51:59.780
Thank you so much. My pleasure. All right. Bye,

02:51:59.840 --> 02:51:59.979
everybody.