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"Welcome to this curated educational transcript of the Joe Rogan Experience. In this session, we provide a deep-dive examination of the critical perspectives and historical dialogues presented in Episode #1227. Our mission is to offer a high-fidelity, searchable research resource for students of cultural history, emerging technology, and global discourse. This transcript has been specifically optimized for academic reference, linguistic study, and archival preservation regarding Combat Sports History, Psychology of High Performance, and Personal Transformation Narratives."
Three, two, one. Boom, and we're live. What's

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happening, Joe? What's up, Mike? Tom Segura's

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in the house for a few minutes here to stop by

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to say hi. I can't believe you've never had a

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cup of coffee. Never. You want some? No. That

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might be the most outrageous thing about you,

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is that you've never had coffee. Your whole life,

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you've never had coffee. Did you just? Tea, never

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coffee. No one ever offered you a cup of coffee?

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No. You never went to Starbucks? Never. For tea,

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I had some donuts. Wow. What about like at? When

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I was in rehab, you always got to go to Starbucks

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because the meeting's right outside of Starbucks.

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You always hang out at Starbucks. Right. But

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never for coffee. You didn't want to try it?

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Never. Hmm. How about girlfriends, wives, none

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of them ever drank coffee at home? I'm sure they

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have, but I never really. My wife drinks it.

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And you just, nothing? Nothing. I'm so addicted

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to coffee. All the stuff I did and all the drugs

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I did, you'd think coffee would be nothing. That's

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what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. It doesn't

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make any sense. When did you first try any drugs?

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Kid. When you were a kid? Nine years old. What

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kind of shit? Smoking and drinking. Right. Then

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as I got older, I tried acid. How old were you

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when you first tried acid? Probably 11. Wow.

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Yeah, really young. Jesus, man. Wow, that's really

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young. Wow. But when you were the champ, when

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you were in your prime, like when you beat Trevor

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Burbick, were you doing anything back then? Just

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drinking a lot. Drinking a lot? Really? Yeah.

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That's amazing. Would you go clean for camp?

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Just for camp. Just for camp. Just for camp.

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Yeah. But outside, like once fights over. Yeah.

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I'm an animal. Wild. Yeah. Yeah. You were the

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first guy that I ever used as an example to break

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that old myth that you can't have sex before

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fights. And I was like, well, that's out the

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window. For sure. Because you would talk about

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it all the time. You'd be like, yeah. Yeah, pretty

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much, yeah. Your logic made sense, too. You're

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like, I don't want to think about it. I don't

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want to be thinking about sex. I'll just get

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it out of the way. Yeah, and it's over with.

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You don't have to do it. You have your refuel

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for the next six weeks and you're going with

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your fight. Do you think that was a myth that

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it made you weak? Yeah, I think it's a myth.

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Yeah, it doesn't seem to make sense. It seems

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odd, yeah. I would inspire you more so than disintegrate

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you, I would think. They said that the Olympic,

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you know, where the athletes stay is just like

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fuck fest. Of course. I don't think so. Yeah.

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They have the boys and the girls. They're the

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same vicinity. Also, probably want to alleviate

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some anxiety. Anxiety. Freaking out. You're at

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the Olympics. You know, you're 18 years old.

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And everyone's in amazing shape. Yeah. Stressed

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out. Yeah. When you were first coming up and

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when you were first, like when you were Kid Dynamite

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on Sports Illustrated, I'll never forget that,

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man. That was your era from like, you know, the

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80s, the late 80s. That era, like, it was a big

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part of my youth. You know, like you being, yeah,

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man, you being the champ. It was like, it was

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a change of things. Because when Larry Holmes

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was the champ as a boxing fan, I loved Larry

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Holmes. Like, there's that cover. You were 19

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years old, right? It's nuts. When Larry Holmes

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was a champ as a boxing fan. Wow, you still got

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that stuff, man? You can still get those. Yeah.

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Sports Illustrated. It's the internet. You can

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find it on the internet. That's how Jamie got

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it. I had that Sports Illustrated. But when Larry

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Holmes was a champ. As a boxing fan, I appreciated

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him. I knew he was a great fighter. We'd get

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together with friends and watch the Michael Spinks

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fight with Larry Holmes when Spinks beat him

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for the title. It was a big deal, but it wasn't

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a big deal culturally. People didn't care as

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much. But then you came around, and when you

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came around, all of a sudden, everybody's watching

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heavyweight boxing. Heavyweight boxing wasn't...

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Boring again. It was the the most crazy Exciting

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thing in sports when your fights would go on

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it would be about Should I pay for this because

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how long is this gonna last like that never?

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People tell me about the time they all chipped

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in. Yeah, I never think about it like that, you

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know sometimes When it comes my Realization of

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the situation I forget that I'm that guy forget

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that I trained that hard and I became a fighter

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and stuff Yeah, that's what I was gonna ask you

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like deep Does it seem like a dream? Yeah, pretty

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much like a blur. Because I couldn't imagine

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what it would be like to be 19 years old, 20

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years old, to be that fucking famous. It was

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a trip. Who can handle that? Can anybody handle

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that? No, it was a trip, but it was just what

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custom model, you know, that was his blueprint

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to make me this teenage superstar. Did he give

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you advice on how to handle pressure and fame?

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Oh, the pressure and everything, but you know,

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He says really no ingredients on how to handle

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fame. You know what I mean? We have to see what

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Department of Fame is your problem, and we have

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to work on that issue from there. But no one

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knows how to conduct themselves under that kind

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of pressure. No. I couldn't imagine. It's the

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level of fame, too. Yes. You realize there's

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so many levels of fame, and then Mike's is still

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just, extraordinary where like people people

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walk away from their job like in an airport they're

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supposed to be at the cash register and they

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run out you know they leave their job to go say

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hi that's not you know most of the time you're

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like oh that's who that person is it's a totally

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different thing How weird is that? That's pretty

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weird. It took time for me to get used to that

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stuff. I used to be one of those, get the fuck

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away from me, man. What are you doing, you creep?

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I never knew how to conduct myself. Mike, come

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here. Take a picture of my mother. Take a picture

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of my kid. Take a picture here. Take a picture

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here. I love you. I'm like, whoa, dude. Cool

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out. You know what I mean? But now, you know,

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I understand this is just what it is. It is what

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it is, and you're not going to be able to stop

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it. Yeah, I've seen you at the UFC before. You're

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very calm around people. When people are grabbing

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at you, want to take pictures, you just relax.

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The UFC is awesome because everybody's nuts.

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Yeah, it's definitely a wild environment. What

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do you think Khabib's going to do now? What do

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I think who? Khabib? Yeah. Well, he does whatever

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the fuck he wants to do. That's what I think.

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I think that guy's... which is probably the best

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lightweight of all time. He's a monster. Incredible.

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I think he's probably going to have some fights

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at 170 pounds eventually, if I'd imagine. At

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155, there's good fights for him. Tony Ferguson's

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a great fight for him. I'm really interested

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in seeing that. I'm really interested in seeing

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him going up. I'm really interested in seeing

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him fight at 170 pounds. Who's up there for him

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to fight? Well, first of all, Tyron Woodley,

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who's the champ at 170, that would be an insane

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fight. George St. Pierre, if he decided to come

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back and make a big super fight, that would be

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an insane fight. I think 170 has a lot of opportunities

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for him. But I think 155 does too. They just

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have to figure out who's going to fight him.

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He's an international superstar now. You know,

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Khabib, especially the way he smashed Conor.

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Conor's such a superstar already that the way

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Khabib won and did it so dominant, I think he's

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through the roof now. I think when he comes back

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and people see the pay -per -view numbers of

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his fights, they're going to realize how huge

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this guy is. Because he's so interesting. He's

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very humble. He's very polite. Very well -spoken.

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Very religious guy. Lives with his family. Lives

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with his parents. Lives with his parents and

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his family, I believe. I hope I'm not speaking

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out of school. I believe that's true. And obviously,

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he doesn't have to for money. I mean, he's rich

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as shit now. Yeah. But he's just a monster. Best

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grappler I've ever seen inside the 155 -pound

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division. He just smashes people. What do you

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think about Jon Jones, though? In what way? His

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skills. He's phenomenal. Incredible. The best

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ever at using distance. He knows distance better

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than anybody. He's a master at knowing when he

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can hit you and you can't hit him. Yeah, I miss

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watching him fight. You know what I mean? He's

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not fighting as much anymore. He's back. He just

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won. Just won the title again. Just fought Alexander

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Gustafson. Yeah? Yeah, a couple weeks ago. Yeah.

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For bacon title? It was Daniel Cormier relinquished

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his title. And it was like... It's weird, right?

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Cormier is the champ because Jon Jones tested

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positive for something, so they stripped him,

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and then Cormier became the champ. I think they'll

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probably fight again, whether they fight again

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at heavyweight or light heavyweight. Really?

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Yeah, I think Cormier and Jon Jones. If Cormier

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wants to, he wants to keep going. But he says

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he wants to retire soon. He's 40. Yeah. He still

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looks good, though. He looks great, especially

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at heavyweight. At heavyweight, he doesn't have

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to cut weight. He's got so much strength. Just

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so agile. He's such an unbelievable wrestler,

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too. I mean, his wrestling skill, his skill level

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and understanding of wrestling is so high. It's

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so above most people. Anybody he fights outside

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of John Jones, he dominates. Yeah, yeah. That's

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how good John is. John's that good. He's that

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good. I mean, it just sucks that he's had so

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many controversies in his life, but I'm hoping

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he... Puts all that shit behind him. Have you

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ever spoken with him about that? Yeah, never

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about his personal life or anything, but we met

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before and talked. But you're a guy who's gone,

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I mean, when you went through legal problems

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yourself, you overcame, you came out of it on

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the other end. I would think a guy like him could

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benefit a lot from talking to a guy like you.

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Yeah, but it's just so difficult and it's so

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unfortunate that he has to go through something

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like that, you know? Do you think so? Yes, it's

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really unfortunate, you know, because sometimes

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people... They don't survive situations like

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that. Because they're so wild and they're having

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a good time too much and they're partying and

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they're the champ. It has to come to an end.

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If you don't bring it to an end, it's going to

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come to its own end. It might not like that way

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it ends. Yeah. So you think for a guy like him,

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maybe getting in trouble was a good thing? If

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only if you learn from experiences like that,

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you know? I was just a wild guy. I was really

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a wild guy. I look at myself now and I say to

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myself, Spent all those trips in those psych

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wards and stuff. I said, what was that all about?

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What was wrong with me back then? You know? Yeah.

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And I must say, I was really disturbed back then.

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But you're somebody who got to the point where

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you got, like, it's really fascinating because

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I know you're a public figure. So, you know,

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I've been able to watch you my whole life. You

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went through all that stuff, and then you got

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to this point where you're very self -reflective.

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You are able to comment on it. I mean, most people,

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regardless of whether they're famous or not,

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just still don't get to that point where they're

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able to look back and examine who they were and

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doing wild shit. With ruthless honesty. Yeah.

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That's what's so great. You have to reflect on

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yourself to discover who you really are. Yeah.

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When you're 20 years old and all of a sudden

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you're the heavyweight champion of the world

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just a few years ago, you were poor. And now

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all of a sudden you're the king of the world.

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That's really crazy. You're not so young. It's

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really crazy. I was unable to handle that. I

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wasn't expecting that. That was a real sucker

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punch right there. Charlie Murphy. That's a real

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sucker punch right there. I wasn't ready for

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that one. Charlie Murphy told us a story, and

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it's animated. It's on YouTube now. Of you and

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him coming over your house in a limousine and

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you had a, was it a lion or a tiger? Tiger. He

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must have a lion for the tiger. Dude. It is one

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of the craziest fucking stories. I always, when,

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so for people that don't know, I got to hang

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out with you at one of my shows one time and

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it was a great, I had the best time talking about

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everything. What made you think you could get

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a tiger? Like, how did that even happen? Hey,

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I'm in, this is really interesting. And so I'm

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in prison at the time. So I'm in prison and I'm

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talking to my car dealer at the time. And he

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has some... cars that belong to a friend of mine

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that's both a friend of ours, and he's discussing

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if he doesn't pay for these cars, I'm going to

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sell these cars to someone and get some horses

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and stuff. I said, well, you can get horses and

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trade horses in for cars? Because I had a lot

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of cars. I said, I'll probably get some horses,

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too. And he said, yeah, man, you can get cougars,

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lions, tigers. I know this guy got excited. I

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said, you do? Can you get me some tigers? He

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said, yeah. And the guy told me, and the guy

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said, man, imagine how cool that'd be. Because

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I had a bunch of fancy cars. Imagine that, man,

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you'd be in an Aston Martin or a Ferrari. tiger

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right next to you, man. That would be so awesome.

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And I'm a young guy. I'm in prison. I'm saying

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to myself, wow, that would be cool, right? After

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a year, get me some cubs, man. And then when

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I came home, I had those cubs right there waiting

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for me. So you raised them as cubs? Yes. Because

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I would see footage of you fucking smacking them

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around and jumping on one of your tigers. And

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I was like, holy shit. I had their babies. They

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had their mothers. Their mothers had their babies.

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Now, this is a crazy picture. You in your underwear

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with a tiger on a chain. That is one of the...

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That's the champ right there. That's you at peak

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crazy. Yeah, insane. Tom, what was going through

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my mind? I don't know what made me think about

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my friend said, Mike, you can get some awesome

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animals. And I'm like, really? Are you serious?

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I'm going to get some horses. Everybody does

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it, though. That was one of the things about,

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what's his face from Narcos? Pablo Escobar. He

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got like a fucking zoo. Escobar had a whole crazy

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zoo. They all do it. Once you get that rich,

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you're like, get some animals. Yeah, you want

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to fuck with some animals. Get some animals.

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Fuck these people. Get some animals. And they

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throw people in there with the lions and tigers.

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Get in there, you motherfucker. It's a real common

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thing with super rich people. They start getting

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lions and tigers and shit. Michael Jackson had

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all that stuff too. That's right. Michael Jackson.

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Michael Jackson and everything. He was in Neverland,

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too. He was in Neverland. He had like a zoo in

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his backyard. That's true. But he had weird shit,

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like weird birds. Yeah. I don't think, maybe

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he had a monkey or something. He did have weird

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shit. Nothing dangerous. I hung up there before

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at the Playboy Mansion. This was at the end of

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his career. That was like in, what was it, 10

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years ago or something? It was pretty awesome.

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Yeah, that guy, man. What a life he lived. Hugh?

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Yeah. In his pajamas. They're sucking his balls

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and he's 80 and shit. Oh, no. Deep into his 80s.

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Deep into his 80s. Deep, yeah. Even his 90s.

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Yeah. Here's the thing. That dude lived the lifestyle

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he was talking about. You know, a lot of people

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talk shit and you're like, you don't really do

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that. He was really doing it, man. If I started

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living that lifestyle, I'd be dark. I'd start

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getting dark. You know? You can have a little

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of your walk. That's just amazing. Too much.

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Yeah. Too much. Wait, one other. I got to run.

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Where are you going, man? I got to go meet the

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wife, man. Oh, yeah. That'll do it to you. That'll

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do it. I read one time. All right, so for people

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that know, I met Mike on a flight, and it was

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a surreal experience. You know, like from being

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a kid. and thinking like this is superman that's

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what i thought as a kid it's just you know i

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mean like seeing those when you see it as a kid

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too i think it's different like you're just like

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whoa that is so nuts like these 11 second knockouts

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you know what's so bizarre periodically even

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to this day people come up to me and talk about

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the experience that they saw him and he talked

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about meeting me is that true all the time it's

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special it's on it's on most stories is that

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true Yeah, mostly stories. And it was a surreal

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experience. And, you know, we spoke on the plane.

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And then, like, when I thought we were done talking,

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you know, I faced forward. And then he came back

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and, like, tapped me on the shoulder. I was like,

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oh, shit. Like, Mike's talking to me. I'm down

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here, like, seat belted in. But then we land,

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and he was like, oh, where's your show? And I

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go, oh, it's here. I gave him the number. Never

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expect to hear. Hits me up the next day. And

00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:09.419
he's like, we're coming to your show. And I was

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like, oh my God. And I really did say like, I'm

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amazed that you're coming. And he said, it's

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all love. And I just said, I love you. Because

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I didn't know what to say. That was good. That

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was cool. He's like, all right, man. I have the

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phone. I remember I called the Pittsburgh improv

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manager, and I go, hey, man. I just go, you're

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not going to believe this, but Tyson's coming

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to the fight tonight. He goes, Mike Tyson? I

00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:39.940
go, no, fucking Tyson Chicken. Yeah, Mike Tyson's

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coming tonight. He's like, I'll corridor off

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a whole thing. And I didn't know he was at the

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show because the show had already started, and

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I didn't see him arrive. And when we go back

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to the green, after the show, I walk off stage

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and he grabs me and he goes, let's go to the

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green room. So he took me to my green room, right?

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Like he was like, and I was like, fuck yeah.

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And we hung out in that green room over an hour

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and just shooting the shit and talking. And when

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I forgot, like the time had passed, I opened

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the door. The entire staff, entire staff is lined

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up at the door to meet him. like that's the effect

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that he has on the group you know like they're

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waiting in a line for an hour outside the green

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room and i you know we talked about boxing about

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life it was it was fascinating um one of the

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things i really appreciated about uh you as a

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fighter was like that you really knew that you

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were putting on a show so that that's something

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that i feel like i miss There's no one that put

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on the show the way you did. You knew that people

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bought tickets and paid for the pay -per -view.

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And then it's still one of my great memories,

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man. It was a thrill to meet you. So I just wanted

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to stop by and say hi. Sounds like you're wrapping

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it up. Yeah, he has to go. I do, I do. Oh, by

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the way, did you buy seven Bentleys that were

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the same color? No, but I bought around seven

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Bentleys before. Damn. They were Rolls Royces.

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I wanted to ask that. But you did give away one

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when you crashed it, right? Yeah, let me tell

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you that story. I wish I had some time. I was

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married at the time to Robin Givens, and we were

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in some fast food joint. We were ordering food,

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and she went in my pocket, I guess, to get some

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money out of my pocket to pay for it. And she

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saw some condoms came out, and she was mad, so

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she got in the car. And then, boom, she crashed

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the car into another car that was just parked

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there. Boom. And she hit somebody and she hurt

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their arm. And then the cops came. And so the

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cops came and the cops were saying, hey, what

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happened here? Right. And I was afraid they were

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going to arrest me. So I said, well, nothing

00:18:46.079 --> 00:18:49.359
happened, officer. Nothing. And the guy was.

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And it was a guy with a broken arm. I said, you

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know, sir, why don't you just take the car? You

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know, you deserve it because you've been doing

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a lot. Because I didn't want to get arrested.

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I didn't have a license or anything. I didn't

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want my wife to get in trouble. I said, why don't

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you just take it? It was around 230 at the time.

00:19:03.640 --> 00:19:04.960
I said, why don't you just take it? It'll be

00:19:04.960 --> 00:19:06.759
okay. And the guy said, hey, don't tell me that.

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And then once he said that, I said, got him.

00:19:09.279 --> 00:19:11.420
I said, I got him. And I said, hey, man, take

00:19:11.420 --> 00:19:13.339
it, man. Do this, man. You deserve this. Take

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it. And they took it. But before that, the guy,

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some guy's arm was broken, and I gave him my

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money. I said, take the money. And then he came

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back to the police. He said, my arm is broken.

00:19:22.039 --> 00:19:23.579
Now, get away from me. I'm not going to tell

00:19:23.579 --> 00:19:25.099
you to get away from me no more, because he didn't

00:19:25.099 --> 00:19:26.700
want to mess this deal up with this car, because

00:19:26.700 --> 00:19:29.019
the guy complained he's not going to get this

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car. That's hilarious. The cops said, don't fucking

00:19:31.259 --> 00:19:34.269
come near me again. That is hilarious. So the

00:19:34.269 --> 00:19:36.349
guy is backed off, and I say, hey, go ahead,

00:19:36.410 --> 00:19:37.869
man. I'll see you later. And I took off with

00:19:37.869 --> 00:19:39.269
my wife. I didn't want us to get in trouble.

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But they made him give away the car, right? I

00:19:41.170 --> 00:19:42.869
went back to my office, and I said, give me my

00:19:42.869 --> 00:19:46.910
fucking car back. Really? Yeah. He got fired.

00:19:47.410 --> 00:19:51.750
He did? Yeah. Oh, my God. He's probably hearing

00:19:51.750 --> 00:19:53.309
this night that I'm going to get that bastard

00:19:53.309 --> 00:19:58.789
type. So you gave it to him? I wanted my Indian

00:19:58.789 --> 00:20:01.730
gift. I wanted my car back. I wanted my car back.

00:20:02.230 --> 00:20:05.789
Oh, no. You imagine Mike Tyson calls you up and

00:20:05.789 --> 00:20:07.490
says, give me my fucking car back. You're like,

00:20:07.569 --> 00:20:10.589
shit! Yeah. It's outside, man. I got it for you.

00:20:10.710 --> 00:20:12.910
God damn it. Listen, I got to tell you something.

00:20:13.029 --> 00:20:14.769
I got to tell you something. You guys know I

00:20:14.769 --> 00:20:16.710
embarked on the marijuana business. Yes. This

00:20:16.710 --> 00:20:20.049
beautiful box that you gave me. That is a beautiful

00:20:20.049 --> 00:20:22.849
box, by the way. That's so awesome. Thank you,

00:20:22.869 --> 00:20:26.109
man, for accepting it. My pleasure. I'm honored.

00:20:26.410 --> 00:20:28.509
That's a cool -ass box, man. Yeah, Tyson Ranch

00:20:28.509 --> 00:20:31.430
is going to be opening up pretty shortly. Yeah,

00:20:31.430 --> 00:20:33.809
you guys have. I saw the plans. I mean, 2022.

00:20:34.190 --> 00:20:36.410
This is a big deal. Really? I mean, this place

00:20:36.410 --> 00:20:39.529
is gigantic. Which state? It's in California.

00:20:39.529 --> 00:20:42.069
It is here? Yeah. Oh, cool. Yeah. They're setting

00:20:42.069 --> 00:20:45.930
up like a resort. Really? Yeah. It's going to

00:20:45.930 --> 00:20:49.250
be the best facility in the world, man. It's

00:20:49.250 --> 00:20:54.490
going to have an acre long lake. Wow. Yeah. You

00:20:54.490 --> 00:20:56.269
could go, like, stay. Everything else is going

00:20:56.269 --> 00:20:58.769
to be camping, glamping. Glamping. Glamorous

00:20:58.769 --> 00:21:00.730
camping. Glamorous camping. Very glamorous, yeah.

00:21:00.849 --> 00:21:02.609
How about some tigers and shit? Put some wild

00:21:02.609 --> 00:21:04.410
animals. It's a possibility. My partner, Rob

00:21:04.410 --> 00:21:06.369
Hickman, was discussing that, too. Where are

00:21:06.369 --> 00:21:07.789
those tigers? Well, I had them for, like, 14

00:21:07.789 --> 00:21:09.509
years, so I had to get rid of them. You know

00:21:09.509 --> 00:21:10.650
what I mean? What do you do when you want to

00:21:10.650 --> 00:21:13.170
get rid of a tiger? A sanctuary. Oh. All right.

00:21:13.210 --> 00:21:15.609
Fuck. I got to run. I love you. I love you. I

00:21:15.609 --> 00:21:17.569
love you, too, buddy. Look, better cannabis,

00:21:17.690 --> 00:21:20.569
dude. There it is. Yeah. Congrats on that, man.

00:21:20.849 --> 00:21:22.930
That looks dope. Awesome, man. I'm so excited

00:21:22.930 --> 00:21:28.349
about this stuff. I love embarking on this cannabis

00:21:28.349 --> 00:21:31.769
stuff. This stuff is so awesome. Yeah, you seem

00:21:31.769 --> 00:21:33.910
to be really enjoying this. When you're talking

00:21:33.910 --> 00:21:35.990
to your partners out there, you're having a good

00:21:35.990 --> 00:21:38.049
time with this. Oh, man, I never thought that

00:21:38.049 --> 00:21:40.529
in a million years I'd be able to do this and

00:21:40.529 --> 00:21:43.130
legalize. Yeah. When did you start regularly

00:21:43.130 --> 00:21:45.769
smoking weed? Since I was like 10 years old.

00:21:46.670 --> 00:21:48.089
The whole time you were fighting, you were regularly

00:21:48.089 --> 00:21:49.569
smoking weed? Well, you know, when you're a kid,

00:21:49.630 --> 00:21:51.470
your mother gives you liquor and marijuana for

00:21:51.470 --> 00:21:53.150
you to think that you're going to go to sleep

00:21:53.150 --> 00:21:55.769
or something. Yeah. Really? Yeah. That never

00:21:55.769 --> 00:21:58.190
happened in my house. Never? Yeah. My mother

00:21:58.190 --> 00:22:00.950
was an alcoholic and stuff. Damn. That's harsh.

00:22:01.730 --> 00:22:03.529
Liquor and marijuana. See if you go to sleep.

00:22:04.170 --> 00:22:08.200
Yeah. It didn't work. I don't think so. I don't

00:22:08.200 --> 00:22:13.180
think so. What benefits do you get out of marijuana?

00:22:13.380 --> 00:22:16.119
What does it do for you? Hey, man, if I didn't,

00:22:16.119 --> 00:22:19.519
I'd have a bad day. Yeah, I'm a really moody

00:22:19.519 --> 00:22:24.339
guy without it. And it just smooths me out. As

00:22:24.339 --> 00:22:25.740
soon as I take it, I'm a whole different person.

00:22:25.759 --> 00:22:28.799
I'm really on top of my game. I'm boiling. Yeah,

00:22:28.819 --> 00:22:30.759
I feel the same way sometimes. It makes me nicer.

00:22:31.099 --> 00:22:37.349
Yeah. Yeah, it calms me down. And I like who

00:22:37.349 --> 00:22:39.289
I am when I smoke. You know what I mean? When

00:22:39.289 --> 00:22:41.690
I weed, I don't sometimes like who I am sometimes.

00:22:41.910 --> 00:22:43.769
That's just the real sometimes. Yeah, yeah. I

00:22:43.769 --> 00:22:45.130
don't like that guy. I want to get away from

00:22:45.130 --> 00:22:47.369
that guy. Well, you know, I was talking to Michael

00:22:47.369 --> 00:22:50.049
Irvin once. He was explaining to me that when

00:22:50.049 --> 00:22:52.269
children grow up in high stress environments,

00:22:52.390 --> 00:22:55.529
that their genes are wired to have a propensity

00:22:55.529 --> 00:22:58.549
towards violence. If it's normal, if it's around

00:22:58.549 --> 00:23:00.829
them all the time, when they're growing up and

00:23:00.829 --> 00:23:02.750
when they're in the womb. Yeah, I agree. When

00:23:02.750 --> 00:23:04.569
their mother's under extreme stress, if they

00:23:04.569 --> 00:23:07.970
live in a bad neighborhood. And it's hard for

00:23:07.970 --> 00:23:11.009
some people like yourself that did grow up in

00:23:11.009 --> 00:23:13.569
an environment like that to ever reach where

00:23:13.569 --> 00:23:16.069
you're at right now, just a place of peace. And

00:23:16.069 --> 00:23:18.490
if you can do that through marijuana or whatever

00:23:18.490 --> 00:23:21.549
it is, yoga, meditation, whatever you do to get

00:23:21.549 --> 00:23:23.690
there. Like, we should be happy that you can

00:23:23.690 --> 00:23:25.349
get there. That's what we want. Listen, I am

00:23:25.349 --> 00:23:28.589
so grateful that I embarked on this. You know,

00:23:28.650 --> 00:23:31.349
I've never been a person to this magnitude of

00:23:31.349 --> 00:23:34.430
this kind of relaxation. I was enjoying my time

00:23:34.430 --> 00:23:37.069
with you. I was very uptight. At any time, I

00:23:37.069 --> 00:23:39.329
was very uncomfortable with myself. Did you feel

00:23:39.329 --> 00:23:40.930
any better after you worked out when you were

00:23:40.930 --> 00:23:43.890
young like that? Absolutely. But my work's out.

00:23:44.779 --> 00:23:47.299
You know what? The best thing that ever happened

00:23:47.299 --> 00:23:49.519
to me that I retired from boxing was me working

00:23:49.519 --> 00:23:51.640
out at Megan. I was so intense with this. My

00:23:51.640 --> 00:23:54.279
whole objective was hurting people and wanting

00:23:54.279 --> 00:23:56.500
to be the best, and my ego took over, and I'm

00:23:56.500 --> 00:23:58.200
like Tyson. I'm the best that ever lived and

00:23:58.200 --> 00:24:04.240
all this bullshit. Dealing with my partner, Rob

00:24:04.240 --> 00:24:07.700
Hickman, I happened to embark on this, come across

00:24:07.700 --> 00:24:10.640
this thing called the Toad. Are you familiar

00:24:10.640 --> 00:24:12.759
with the toad? Yeah, what you're talking about

00:24:12.759 --> 00:24:14.839
is 5 -methoxy -dimethyltipine. Oh, that's it

00:24:14.839 --> 00:24:17.420
right there, yeah. And I came across that, and

00:24:17.420 --> 00:24:23.119
I smoked this, I don't know, this medicine, drug,

00:24:23.259 --> 00:24:27.579
whatever you want to call it. And I've never

00:24:27.579 --> 00:24:29.380
been the same. I look at life different. I look

00:24:29.380 --> 00:24:32.559
at people differently. And it's an experience

00:24:32.559 --> 00:24:34.920
I can't even express, really. It's almost like

00:24:34.920 --> 00:24:39.089
dying and being reborn. Yeah, I had the exact

00:24:39.089 --> 00:24:40.849
same experience. That's what it felt like to

00:24:40.849 --> 00:24:44.549
me, too, like you stop existing. The five methoxys,

00:24:44.549 --> 00:24:46.809
there's two. Tell me what's the deal with it.

00:24:46.869 --> 00:24:49.750
What the hell's going on here? Five methoxys

00:24:49.750 --> 00:24:52.940
produced by your brain, but what it is is. It's

00:24:52.940 --> 00:24:56.140
DMT with an oxygen molecule attached to it. So

00:24:56.140 --> 00:25:00.059
regular DMT is NN dimethyltryptamine. And then

00:25:00.059 --> 00:25:04.200
5 -methoxydimethyltryptamine is DMT with a very

00:25:04.200 --> 00:25:07.440
subtle change to the molecule. And that subtle

00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:09.579
change, for some reason, takes away the visuals.

00:25:10.299 --> 00:25:13.380
You've done regular DMT too, right? Yes. Regular

00:25:13.380 --> 00:25:16.240
DMT is rich with visuals. Very strange, bright,

00:25:16.460 --> 00:25:19.200
colorful, impossible to describe visuals. Yes.

00:25:20.629 --> 00:25:22.750
It's inconceivable. Inconceivable is the best

00:25:22.750 --> 00:25:24.930
way to put it. Yeah, inconceivable. I try to

00:25:24.930 --> 00:25:27.369
explain it to some people, my wives, and it's

00:25:27.369 --> 00:25:29.289
just I don't have the words to explain it. That's

00:25:29.289 --> 00:25:30.970
exactly what I always say. I've done a terrible

00:25:30.970 --> 00:25:33.009
job explaining it to everybody. Every time I've

00:25:33.009 --> 00:25:36.670
tried, it just doesn't work. But all those things,

00:25:36.789 --> 00:25:39.589
they give you perspective. It's almost like you're

00:25:39.589 --> 00:25:43.670
dying, you're submissive, you're humble, you're

00:25:43.670 --> 00:25:46.970
vulnerable, but you're invincible still and all.

00:25:47.309 --> 00:25:50.190
It's just that weird feeling. But you feel like

00:25:50.190 --> 00:25:52.250
you're part of the universe. When you're separate

00:25:52.250 --> 00:25:54.589
from your ego, you realize this whole thing,

00:25:54.690 --> 00:25:56.329
you're a part of this whole thing, and this whole

00:25:56.329 --> 00:25:59.890
thing is unstoppable. It's a gigantic, huge,

00:26:00.369 --> 00:26:04.490
all -encompassing, almost like a living thing.

00:26:04.589 --> 00:26:06.529
You know, Joan, this is what I also realized,

00:26:06.589 --> 00:26:08.210
too, after going through that experience. You

00:26:08.210 --> 00:26:10.589
realize how insignificant you are sometimes without

00:26:10.589 --> 00:26:13.589
your ego. Yes. You realize why you're not really

00:26:13.589 --> 00:26:16.150
much that you really thought you were. Yeah,

00:26:16.150 --> 00:26:19.049
you are and you aren't. Obviously, you are in

00:26:19.049 --> 00:26:20.829
everyday life. I mean, you go places, you have

00:26:20.829 --> 00:26:23.170
a dramatic effect on people. You mean a lot.

00:26:23.210 --> 00:26:24.990
You mean a lot to those people that you run into.

00:26:25.109 --> 00:26:27.069
You mean a lot to the people that you love and

00:26:27.069 --> 00:26:33.210
that love you. But we all do. It's all relative.

00:26:33.609 --> 00:26:38.470
No one is irreplaceable, but everyone is special

00:26:38.470 --> 00:26:40.730
to someone or something and at least to themselves.

00:26:41.599 --> 00:26:43.980
But we're all the same. We're all a part of this

00:26:43.980 --> 00:26:47.019
weird, crazy, gigantic organism. That's the human

00:26:47.019 --> 00:26:49.539
race. You know, so, Arthur, you said it. My mentor,

00:26:49.660 --> 00:26:52.079
Customato, his objective was to think of nothing.

00:26:52.220 --> 00:26:54.099
You're nothing. Nothing's nothing but the objective,

00:26:54.339 --> 00:26:56.759
the job. And that was his psychological warfare.

00:26:57.359 --> 00:26:59.279
You know, nothing matters. You're nothing. Nothing.

00:26:59.319 --> 00:27:00.759
The only thing that matters is the objective

00:27:00.759 --> 00:27:03.640
and accomplishing that objective by going through

00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:06.480
these methods of boxing. Do you ever stop and

00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:08.339
think about how fortunate it was you ran into

00:27:08.339 --> 00:27:11.970
that guy? Listen, to this day, I really don't

00:27:11.970 --> 00:27:14.529
understand that. So how did this happen? Because

00:27:14.529 --> 00:27:16.410
so many people. Listen, by the time I was born,

00:27:16.430 --> 00:27:19.089
he was 66 years old by the time I was born. Yeah.

00:27:19.670 --> 00:27:23.890
Crazy. So many people could, you know. Can't

00:27:23.890 --> 00:27:26.430
even explain it. It's a magnificent individual.

00:27:27.450 --> 00:27:31.250
He was an amazing guy. An amazing part of boxing

00:27:31.250 --> 00:27:36.819
and with a. unprecedented grasp of the mindset

00:27:36.819 --> 00:27:39.640
required for combat sports. That was the thing

00:27:39.640 --> 00:27:42.960
that always really stood out about him. Like

00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:46.019
he was a guy that was so. He was so well -versed

00:27:46.019 --> 00:27:48.700
in the mindset. I would listen to his speeches

00:27:48.700 --> 00:27:50.440
that he would talk, when he would talk about

00:27:50.440 --> 00:27:52.339
you, when he would talk about boxing, he would

00:27:52.339 --> 00:27:55.200
talk about fear. And about fear can be like a

00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:57.940
fire. It can cook your food or it can burn your

00:27:57.940 --> 00:28:00.599
house down. And you have to control it. And when

00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:02.819
he would describe it, it would be so enlightening.

00:28:03.019 --> 00:28:05.319
He was such a man of wisdom that when he would

00:28:05.319 --> 00:28:08.119
describe things, they would sink in. Somebody

00:28:08.119 --> 00:28:12.819
could say the same thing. But with him, he had

00:28:12.819 --> 00:28:14.519
so much life experience. He wore so many hats.

00:28:14.660 --> 00:28:16.940
He was a psychiatrist. He was a doctor. He was

00:28:16.940 --> 00:28:19.039
a father. He was a mother. You know, he was just

00:28:19.039 --> 00:28:22.720
all around that individual. Yeah. And with an

00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:25.039
amazing knowledge of boxing. And for a guy like

00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:28.599
you, it was almost like it was ordained. That's

00:28:28.599 --> 00:28:29.980
what I always say. It was meant for me to meet

00:28:29.980 --> 00:28:32.579
this guy. Because I had no way in a million years.

00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:33.779
Everybody would say, no way you're going to be

00:28:33.779 --> 00:28:36.319
a champ. You're too small. Yeah. You're too short.

00:28:36.359 --> 00:28:38.450
No way. These guys are too big for you. He said,

00:28:38.470 --> 00:28:39.930
this is the greatest fight I've ever lived. This

00:28:39.930 --> 00:28:41.369
and this, always saying this about me. I'm like,

00:28:41.410 --> 00:28:43.529
oh, God, this guy is just souping me up. I never

00:28:43.529 --> 00:28:46.029
thought I could achieve what he was saying. The

00:28:46.029 --> 00:28:49.029
things he was saying were just so gigantic in

00:28:49.029 --> 00:28:53.109
my eyes at the time. Yeah, I mean, when it all

00:28:53.109 --> 00:28:55.890
happened, and it turned out that he was true,

00:28:55.990 --> 00:28:57.809
and you have to absorb all this when you're 20

00:28:57.809 --> 00:29:00.970
years old. You know, I always say this about

00:29:00.970 --> 00:29:03.130
Justin Bieber, and I don't think Justin Bieber

00:29:03.130 --> 00:29:05.029
nearly had to deal with what you had to deal

00:29:05.029 --> 00:29:07.750
with. Your experience was so much crazier because

00:29:07.750 --> 00:29:10.369
you were not just an incredibly famous guy. You

00:29:10.369 --> 00:29:12.210
were the baddest man on the planet. So there

00:29:12.210 --> 00:29:14.089
was like an aura to you everywhere you went.

00:29:14.150 --> 00:29:16.369
People wanted to see you. You know, 50 -year

00:29:16.369 --> 00:29:17.970
-old men don't give a fuck about Justin Bieber.

00:29:18.170 --> 00:29:20.670
You know, no disrespect. He's a great guy, a

00:29:20.670 --> 00:29:23.220
great singer. But it's not. He's like young girls.

00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:25.160
For young girls, that guy's unbelievably famous.

00:29:25.339 --> 00:29:28.079
But he's been famous since he was a little kid.

00:29:28.279 --> 00:29:31.380
I'm like, when people hear about him going crazy.

00:29:31.500 --> 00:29:33.259
That's amazing, right? Amazing. When people hear

00:29:33.259 --> 00:29:35.440
about him going insane, I'm like, of course he's

00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:37.480
going insane. You have no idea what it would

00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:40.039
be like to be him and to be 17 years old and

00:29:40.039 --> 00:29:42.180
girls literally trying to break into his house

00:29:42.180 --> 00:29:44.740
to throw pussy at him. They're coming down chimneys.

00:29:44.940 --> 00:29:46.660
They're flying in on parachutes. They're doing

00:29:46.660 --> 00:29:48.240
anything they can. They just want to be around

00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:52.339
him. And you want him to be normal? Oh, man.

00:29:52.380 --> 00:29:57.759
Poor guy. No one can handle that. What kind of

00:29:57.759 --> 00:29:59.759
music you listening to? I listen to everything,

00:29:59.900 --> 00:30:02.559
man. I do. I listen to a lot of classic rock

00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:05.039
for whatever reason. But I've been listening

00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:06.680
to a lot of Kanye West over the last few weeks.

00:30:06.680 --> 00:30:08.880
Tell me, what is he talking about? Kanye? Yeah.

00:30:09.460 --> 00:30:11.059
Well, he's talking about a lot of crazy shit.

00:30:11.099 --> 00:30:13.359
He actually talked about DMT in one of his recent

00:30:13.359 --> 00:30:14.839
songs. Really? You think he did that before?

00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:17.789
I think he did. Oh, man. Well, I know he's friends

00:30:17.789 --> 00:30:20.410
with Kid Cudi. Kid Cudi's been in here, and Kid

00:30:20.410 --> 00:30:23.190
Cudi's had some psychedelic experiences. Yeah.

00:30:23.289 --> 00:30:26.190
Once you go there, you don't want to do nothing

00:30:26.190 --> 00:30:29.970
else again. Well, it puts it all in the perspective.

00:30:30.329 --> 00:30:33.769
It lets you see that as much as this thing seems

00:30:33.769 --> 00:30:36.910
to be important, this is all temporary, and you're

00:30:36.910 --> 00:30:39.269
a part of forever. And it also allows you to

00:30:39.269 --> 00:30:43.680
become comfortable with death. Yeah. Yeah, you

00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:45.599
know who said that? Larry Hagman. Remember that

00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:48.180
guy Dallas? Yeah. From J .R. from Dallas. J .R.

00:30:48.180 --> 00:30:49.819
from Dallas. He did an interview with CNN once.

00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:52.019
And I Dream of Jeannie as well. Yeah, that's

00:30:52.019 --> 00:30:54.759
right. He sprung it on him on CNN once. He was

00:30:54.759 --> 00:30:57.339
talking about how he did acid. He took a big

00:30:57.339 --> 00:30:59.119
dose of acid and he's never worried about death

00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:02.200
ever again. That it just alleviated his worry

00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:06.000
about passing on. That's wild. It's just that

00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:07.519
because I felt the same way. I said, well, it

00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:10.519
doesn't matter anymore. Yeah. I think DNT even

00:31:10.519 --> 00:31:12.680
more specifically because they think it might

00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:14.519
be. Yeah, why does it affect the mind that way?

00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:16.880
What causes it to affect the mind that way? They

00:31:16.880 --> 00:31:19.839
don't totally know. That it makes you visualize

00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:24.119
everything. They don't totally know. They know

00:31:24.119 --> 00:31:25.720
that your brain makes it. They know that your

00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:27.440
body makes it, they should say. They know that

00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:29.220
it's producing your liver and their lungs. And

00:31:29.220 --> 00:31:30.579
there's some evidence now, because they found

00:31:30.579 --> 00:31:33.319
it in rats, that the pineal gland produces it,

00:31:33.380 --> 00:31:35.940
which is like, that's the third eye of Eastern

00:31:35.940 --> 00:31:38.559
mysticism. That gland actually, in rats, they've

00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:41.000
proven, produces DMT. And they think it does

00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:42.920
so in people, too. You know, once I did, I wanted

00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:45.539
to do it again and again and again. And they

00:31:45.539 --> 00:31:46.880
said, you shouldn't do it too much, Mike. But

00:31:46.880 --> 00:31:48.859
I was like, man, I got to, you know, grasp what's

00:31:48.859 --> 00:31:51.339
going on here. Why am I feeling this? Why did

00:31:51.339 --> 00:31:54.259
this, in a weird way, like, humbled you? I don't

00:31:54.259 --> 00:31:55.539
think you should listen to the people who say

00:31:55.539 --> 00:31:57.359
you shouldn't do it too much. I think you should

00:31:57.359 --> 00:31:59.039
do it as much as you want. That's what I agree

00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:01.200
with, too. Yeah. I agree. You can handle it.

00:32:01.259 --> 00:32:03.759
If you can handle being like Tyson, you can handle

00:32:03.759 --> 00:32:06.000
doing DMT a few times. DMT, yeah, that's where

00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:07.559
I think I'm going. I think I'm going in that

00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:09.480
direction. Well, I mean, it's not something you

00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:11.420
should do all day, every day, but you can learn

00:32:11.420 --> 00:32:14.500
a lot from it. And it's very beneficial and very

00:32:14.500 --> 00:32:17.240
strange that it's illegal. You know, it's illegal.

00:32:17.779 --> 00:32:20.140
Yeah, I noticed that. Even though Terrence McKenna

00:32:20.140 --> 00:32:22.430
had a joke about it. Because your body's making

00:32:22.430 --> 00:32:26.730
it, so everybody's holding. We all have it. You

00:32:26.730 --> 00:32:28.410
know, it's illegal, but it's like making blood

00:32:28.410 --> 00:32:30.650
illegal. Everybody has it. Isn't it wild where

00:32:30.650 --> 00:32:32.369
they go to Senora Desert and they find these

00:32:32.369 --> 00:32:35.809
toads? Yeah. Yeah, I've never experienced it

00:32:35.809 --> 00:32:37.589
from the toad. I've only experienced it with

00:32:37.589 --> 00:32:40.430
the way they extract it. Yeah, they grab them

00:32:40.430 --> 00:32:42.730
and they squeeze it. It busts its pimples and

00:32:42.730 --> 00:32:44.789
it busts it on a glass or mirror and then they

00:32:44.789 --> 00:32:47.250
take it off and they let it harden. Yeah, they

00:32:47.250 --> 00:32:49.589
let it dry in the sun. They scrape it off with

00:32:49.589 --> 00:32:52.460
a razor blade. Yes. I've only had it synthetically

00:32:52.460 --> 00:32:54.420
made in a laboratory. You used to be able to

00:32:54.420 --> 00:32:56.819
buy it online. You used to be able to buy like

00:32:56.819 --> 00:32:59.859
a fucking can of it, like this big, enough to

00:32:59.859 --> 00:33:02.759
get like a whole state high. You just buy it

00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:04.980
online. It was totally legal. Incredible. Yeah,

00:33:05.019 --> 00:33:08.329
it's weird. It's bizarre that it's illegal. Well,

00:33:08.329 --> 00:33:10.509
they would say not for human consumption. I don't

00:33:10.509 --> 00:33:11.769
know what the fuck you're doing with it if you're

00:33:11.769 --> 00:33:14.369
not using it for human consumption. But you used

00:33:14.369 --> 00:33:15.869
to be able to buy it. I've never felt anything

00:33:15.869 --> 00:33:18.490
like that before. No, nothing like that. Makes

00:33:18.490 --> 00:33:20.349
me not want to do anything. Nothing else can

00:33:20.349 --> 00:33:23.609
supersede that. How long ago did it happen? Around

00:33:23.609 --> 00:33:27.869
two months ago. Yeah. Did you write down what

00:33:27.869 --> 00:33:29.529
happened after it happened or did you record

00:33:29.529 --> 00:33:32.630
it? No, I wish I did. Yeah. I wish I did. Yeah,

00:33:32.650 --> 00:33:35.210
me too. Like it goes away like a dream, right?

00:33:35.769 --> 00:33:38.049
It comes off, you know, you're so scared. You

00:33:38.049 --> 00:33:39.509
know, it starts off like this to me. Like, no,

00:33:39.650 --> 00:33:46.210
no, no, yeah. That's how I start. No, I don't

00:33:46.210 --> 00:33:47.829
want to be this. I say, hey, I want this to stop

00:33:47.829 --> 00:33:49.450
now. And the guy's like, hey, you're on the ride.

00:33:49.650 --> 00:33:53.829
And I'm like, no, no, no, yeah. I love it. I

00:33:53.829 --> 00:33:56.849
love you. I love you. I love you. Yeah, you love

00:33:56.849 --> 00:34:00.670
everybody. Yeah, so spassed out. Yeah. Did you

00:34:00.670 --> 00:34:03.069
have a hard time letting go? At the beginning,

00:34:03.069 --> 00:34:05.109
I was fighting it. I was saying, stop. I wanted

00:34:05.109 --> 00:34:08.710
to stop now. Just stop this shit now. Stop. And

00:34:08.710 --> 00:34:11.670
the guy was like, hey. I'm like, I can't do it.

00:34:11.710 --> 00:34:14.550
Got to go for the ride, dude. And it was like,

00:34:14.570 --> 00:34:17.289
oh, man. It's like I'm dying. Things are going

00:34:17.289 --> 00:34:19.210
in my face. I'm seeing the Aztec things. I'm

00:34:19.210 --> 00:34:22.369
seeing toads. I'm just seeing weird animals and

00:34:22.369 --> 00:34:24.610
things. It's flying. It's like another chamber.

00:34:24.690 --> 00:34:27.789
It's boom, flashing. Boom. And you're gone. It's

00:34:27.789 --> 00:34:31.130
like a rocket. You're taking off. Boom. Yeah,

00:34:31.210 --> 00:34:36.150
it's beyond your imagination. Yeah, that's inconceivable.

00:34:36.230 --> 00:34:38.949
Can't even explain it to no one. Well, I'm hoping

00:34:38.949 --> 00:34:44.090
that they start with psilocybin because I know

00:34:44.090 --> 00:34:46.809
MAPS, they're doing some great work with that,

00:34:46.829 --> 00:34:48.909
trying to get these things legalized, especially

00:34:48.909 --> 00:34:51.269
they're doing MDMA studies with veterans and

00:34:51.269 --> 00:34:53.369
people with PTSD and they're having great results.

00:34:54.349 --> 00:34:56.250
They're moving into psilocybin. They would love

00:34:56.250 --> 00:34:58.170
to get psilocybin legal, and it's up for ballot.

00:34:58.269 --> 00:34:59.869
I think it was in Oregon. Is that where it is?

00:35:00.110 --> 00:35:03.090
I think Oregon is up for legalization this year,

00:35:03.170 --> 00:35:05.409
and it may be eventually in California as well.

00:35:05.570 --> 00:35:07.769
How are you going to go do with that? It should

00:35:07.769 --> 00:35:11.190
be legal. It doesn't kill anybody. It's not a

00:35:11.190 --> 00:35:13.130
bad thing if they regulate it, if they make it

00:35:13.130 --> 00:35:15.449
for therapeutic use and just set up centers where

00:35:15.449 --> 00:35:17.030
experts can show it. But they shouldn't make

00:35:17.030 --> 00:35:19.269
it prohibitive for people to own it or even grow

00:35:19.269 --> 00:35:21.920
their own. It's not a bad idea to set up places

00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:25.360
where people can do it under a professional's

00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:27.760
care, a shaman's care, a physician's care. That's

00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:30.780
a good idea. But making it illegal is a bad idea

00:35:30.780 --> 00:35:32.940
because it helps a lot of people. You know, people

00:35:32.940 --> 00:35:34.780
think of it as a party drug. They think you're

00:35:34.780 --> 00:35:36.880
going to do mushrooms and freak out and go fucking

00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:39.099
run around naked. Ah, what's on mushrooms? Ah,

00:35:39.099 --> 00:35:42.139
you do mushrooms. I love mushrooms. I love mushrooms.

00:35:42.340 --> 00:35:45.619
Well, psilocybin and DMT are very closely related

00:35:45.619 --> 00:35:48.920
chemically. All those really potent psychedelic

00:35:48.920 --> 00:35:52.199
drugs are very closely related. They all break

00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:56.099
down in some similar path inside your brain and

00:35:56.099 --> 00:36:02.860
give you that weird ego -dissolving experience.

00:36:03.420 --> 00:36:06.179
Yeah, most of the drugs you do, most of them...

00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:09.920
Ego enhancing. Right. Like Coke. Yeah, you're

00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:14.940
like, the baddest mother. You're just gone, man.

00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:16.900
Yeah, you know, you've never had coffee. I've

00:36:16.900 --> 00:36:21.480
never had Coke. Never? Never. Oh, man. Bad exchange,

00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:24.059
huh? No, you didn't miss out on nothing, man.

00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:28.780
Yeah, that one I ducked. When I was in high school,

00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:32.210
my friend's cousin used to sell it. And he wasted

00:36:32.210 --> 00:36:34.170
away to nothing. Him and his girlfriend would

00:36:34.170 --> 00:36:36.030
hang out in the attic, never come out. They would

00:36:36.030 --> 00:36:39.389
just sell Coke and watch TV. It was bad. It was

00:36:39.389 --> 00:36:42.190
like a vampire bit him. Oh, man. He came up.

00:36:42.329 --> 00:36:44.869
Once you get in that kind of vicious cycle, it's

00:36:44.869 --> 00:36:50.210
a wrap. Yeah. Yeah. So I ducked it. I ducked

00:36:50.210 --> 00:36:54.510
it early. Never did Coke. Man. When was the first

00:36:54.510 --> 00:36:56.389
time you did Coke? I don't know. I was a kid.

00:36:56.510 --> 00:37:00.219
11, 12. Shit. I got involved with drugs early

00:37:00.219 --> 00:37:06.860
in life. Wow. That's crazy. 11, 12. Yeah. I was

00:37:06.860 --> 00:37:09.679
still living in Brownsville, Brooklyn when I

00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:16.800
first did cocaine. Wow. That's a crazy age. Listen,

00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:18.480
I would never let my children, I have a 10 -year

00:37:18.480 --> 00:37:20.280
-old daughter and eight -year -olds, I would

00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:22.139
never let them live the life that I live. I would

00:37:22.139 --> 00:37:23.619
hate that. I would always fight so hard. I never

00:37:23.619 --> 00:37:24.940
want them to be in the environment that I grew

00:37:24.940 --> 00:37:29.949
up in. Yeah, of course. Well. you have the benefit

00:37:29.949 --> 00:37:32.849
of having gone through it. No one else could

00:37:32.849 --> 00:37:37.489
ever understand how difficult any of your life

00:37:37.489 --> 00:37:39.670
must have been for you. It's got to be one of

00:37:39.670 --> 00:37:41.750
the harder things. When you did that documentary,

00:37:41.969 --> 00:37:44.550
it's an amazing documentary. You're very honest.

00:37:45.150 --> 00:37:47.730
You're very honest, and you're very open about

00:37:47.730 --> 00:37:49.269
all your experiences. And the one thing I took

00:37:49.269 --> 00:37:50.929
away after that, like, no one can understand.

00:37:51.130 --> 00:37:53.610
You could hear a guy talk like this. I could

00:37:53.610 --> 00:37:55.869
hear you say these things. I could see the videos

00:37:55.869 --> 00:37:57.230
of your fights. I could see the videos of your

00:37:57.230 --> 00:37:59.949
experience. But to understand the life that you

00:37:59.949 --> 00:38:03.929
lived, it's impossible. It's just a guess. It's

00:38:03.929 --> 00:38:05.750
like a guess for someone like me from the outside.

00:38:07.210 --> 00:38:08.869
It's just really interesting. I used to look

00:38:08.869 --> 00:38:10.710
at it and think about this young kid from Brooklyn,

00:38:10.869 --> 00:38:14.079
New York, comes to Custom Auto. At 13, 12, you

00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:17.420
know, and all of a sudden, I have a low self

00:38:17.420 --> 00:38:19.599
-esteem. This guy gives me this big fucking ego.

00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:22.960
You know what I mean? I live by the rules of

00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:25.780
that ego, and I've accomplished so much. And

00:38:25.780 --> 00:38:29.420
a dominator ego. Yeah. You're set to have confidence.

00:38:29.420 --> 00:38:31.809
Oh, all about destroying people. Yeah. Just anybody.

00:38:32.010 --> 00:38:33.530
You could be a lawyer. You're 200 pounds. I'm

00:38:33.530 --> 00:38:36.730
staring you down. It was a weird environment

00:38:36.730 --> 00:38:38.829
growing up that way. You know, because we as

00:38:38.829 --> 00:38:41.210
people, we try to avoid fights. You know what

00:38:41.210 --> 00:38:43.650
I mean? Right. From my instincts, we avoid fights

00:38:43.650 --> 00:38:45.530
for all our lives. And just to be able to see

00:38:45.530 --> 00:38:47.309
what you do, like you're a UFC guy, you're a

00:38:47.309 --> 00:38:50.570
fighter. This is what you do for a job, a lifestyle.

00:38:51.050 --> 00:38:53.130
That's pretty bizarre. But you were getting positive

00:38:53.130 --> 00:38:55.289
reinforcement from thinking like that for the

00:38:55.289 --> 00:38:57.570
first time in your life. Absolutely. Yeah. I

00:38:57.570 --> 00:38:59.329
never felt like that before. It was like taking

00:38:59.329 --> 00:39:01.760
a... a big drug that's going to lose you, boom,

00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:03.860
you're the man. Then everybody's telling you

00:39:03.860 --> 00:39:06.539
you're great. Yeah. For the first time in your

00:39:06.539 --> 00:39:08.800
life. Never understood that. And you know what

00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:11.139
else Custom Model used to do with me? He used

00:39:11.139 --> 00:39:12.960
to take me to a hypnotist. He was a hypnotist

00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:16.679
as well. Yeah, they used to go into the hypnotist

00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:19.639
motions. What kind of shit do they make you do?

00:39:19.980 --> 00:39:23.239
How they do it? You relax, you go under, you

00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:27.380
totally... Focus on blackness, nothingness. Right.

00:39:27.539 --> 00:39:29.599
You go under and you're just being this savage,

00:39:29.699 --> 00:39:32.280
intelligent animal. You're just working. You're

00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:34.079
going to do this. You're going to be a ferocious

00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:36.619
animal. You're going to fight, put both hands

00:39:36.619 --> 00:39:38.139
to the body. You're going to use your jab. You're

00:39:38.139 --> 00:39:40.340
going to do this in a ferocious fashion. And

00:39:40.340 --> 00:39:42.760
they seeked all that in me as I was younger.

00:39:42.980 --> 00:39:44.800
And you were like 12, 13 years old? Yeah. Wow.

00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:46.760
So they're putting you under and just teaching

00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:50.480
you that mindset. Yeah. Whoa. Did he give you

00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:55.440
any advice on how to shut it off? No. No. He

00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:57.780
was probably like, I don't have any time. He

00:39:57.780 --> 00:39:59.739
was probably like, I don't have any time. The

00:39:59.739 --> 00:40:01.719
kid's 13. How old was Koss at the time? He was

00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:05.000
like 71. There's no time. There's no time. I'm

00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:06.840
not going to teach him the off switch. Just hit

00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:09.780
the gas. That's what it was. The gas. We're going

00:40:09.780 --> 00:40:11.340
to destroy these guys. These guys are in our

00:40:11.340 --> 00:40:13.260
way. You know what I mean? Greatness, glory.

00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:16.079
It's one of the hardest things that many fighters

00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:20.159
that I've watched over the years have the problem

00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:22.860
of shutting it off, like turning it on and living

00:40:22.860 --> 00:40:25.199
like that and just wanting to be a dominator,

00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:28.639
but then learning how to be a father, learning

00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:32.280
how to be a friend. Man, my first lifetime with

00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:33.980
children and stuff, trying to do this stuff,

00:40:34.039 --> 00:40:37.840
man, I felt so disastrous. You know, it was just...

00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:41.440
I had no idea what I was doing to. I had no idea

00:40:41.440 --> 00:40:45.619
what arena I was stepping into. It was just disastrous.

00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:50.039
I find out I spend most of my adult life now

00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:52.599
apologizing to my kids. You know what I mean?

00:40:52.699 --> 00:40:55.559
Yeah, I can imagine. I'm being such a horrible

00:40:55.559 --> 00:40:58.900
father. Do you think they understand the shit

00:40:58.900 --> 00:41:00.500
that you were going through? They understand

00:41:00.500 --> 00:41:02.960
that you didn't understand how to live? No, I

00:41:02.960 --> 00:41:06.719
don't understand. Try to basically make sure

00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:08.880
that part of my life is empty now. I live a different

00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:11.679
life for my kids. Right. My family now. Yeah.

00:41:11.880 --> 00:41:14.280
Well, that's beautiful. It's beautiful that you,

00:41:14.360 --> 00:41:16.980
like Tom was saying earlier, you have a lot of

00:41:16.980 --> 00:41:19.320
self -reflection. You've managed to look at your

00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:22.300
life and find out what has value to you, what

00:41:22.300 --> 00:41:25.130
helps you. You always have to do self -evaluation.

00:41:25.409 --> 00:41:27.889
I'm just a strong believer in that. Yeah. Somebody

00:41:27.889 --> 00:41:29.630
has to check you. You have to check yourself.

00:41:30.010 --> 00:41:32.170
I agree. Yeah. Well, especially a guy like you

00:41:32.170 --> 00:41:34.909
who's, you know, you've been checked. Your ego's

00:41:34.909 --> 00:41:36.650
been checked. Your life has been checked. You've

00:41:36.650 --> 00:41:39.369
had so many down moments as well as up moments.

00:41:39.650 --> 00:41:43.329
You've had the full ride of experiences. I never

00:41:43.329 --> 00:41:44.969
thought I would survive with my ego being checked.

00:41:45.010 --> 00:41:47.409
I had no idea that that wasn't what it was about.

00:41:47.769 --> 00:41:49.590
So you thought if your ego checked, you would

00:41:49.590 --> 00:41:52.050
go away. Probably nothing without my ego. Wow.

00:41:53.009 --> 00:41:55.170
Yeah. Well, I mean, it makes sense when you're

00:41:55.170 --> 00:41:57.230
going through all that hypnosis when you're 12

00:41:57.230 --> 00:41:59.889
and 13 years old. That's a crazy thing to do

00:41:59.889 --> 00:42:01.889
to a kid because it was super effective. I had

00:42:01.889 --> 00:42:03.949
no idea, but I wanted to do it so bad. I wanted

00:42:03.949 --> 00:42:07.119
to succeed so bad. You could tell. You know,

00:42:07.139 --> 00:42:10.380
I watched a video of you real recently. You were

00:42:10.380 --> 00:42:13.579
about 16, 17 years old, and you were sparring

00:42:13.579 --> 00:42:16.639
with some big guy who was a professional heavyweight.

00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:19.940
And what was fascinating to me about it wasn't

00:42:19.940 --> 00:42:21.480
just watching you move around when you were young

00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:24.340
and still learning, but it was also you were

00:42:24.340 --> 00:42:26.320
upset at yourself after it was over. You didn't

00:42:26.320 --> 00:42:28.949
think it went well. And I was like. I don't remember

00:42:28.949 --> 00:42:30.570
that. You don't remember? It was an interesting

00:42:30.570 --> 00:42:32.469
video, man. You were like, it didn't go well.

00:42:32.489 --> 00:42:34.190
I could tell it didn't go well. I was a sick

00:42:34.190 --> 00:42:36.150
perfectionist when I was a kid. That's what I

00:42:36.150 --> 00:42:37.730
was going to say. It seemed like it. Like you

00:42:37.730 --> 00:42:39.510
were obsessed. That's my whole life. That's all

00:42:39.510 --> 00:42:41.530
I did was look at box and watch box and read

00:42:41.530 --> 00:42:43.969
about fighters. It was all about fighters. Fighters

00:42:43.969 --> 00:42:45.989
were my gods. Fighter. Oh, you know that guy.

00:42:46.050 --> 00:42:47.929
That's a fighter. I want to be around him. Be

00:42:47.929 --> 00:42:50.130
that groupie. That's another amazing occurrence.

00:42:50.610 --> 00:42:53.170
Imagine that you also knew Jim Jacobs and that

00:42:53.170 --> 00:42:54.710
fucking fight library that guy had. That's all

00:42:54.710 --> 00:42:56.550
I did was watch films all day. That's amazing.

00:42:56.880 --> 00:42:59.260
This is pre -VHS, right? People had VHS, but

00:42:59.260 --> 00:43:02.239
not many. Those fights weren't on VHS. No way.

00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:05.900
Remember before, if you missed a fight, you weren't

00:43:05.900 --> 00:43:10.119
going to see it again. Right, yeah. And Jim Jacobs,

00:43:10.360 --> 00:43:12.960
he kept those things on a regular old projector

00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:16.900
type thing. If you listen to the voiceover on

00:43:16.900 --> 00:43:19.559
some of those old fights, it's Jim Jacobs. Yeah,

00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:22.139
it's him doing commentary. On some of the old

00:43:22.139 --> 00:43:23.139
fights that didn't have any volume to them. Now

00:43:23.139 --> 00:43:25.179
you study all these guys all day and all night.

00:43:25.219 --> 00:43:28.059
You study them. Yeah. It was through you that

00:43:28.059 --> 00:43:29.880
I learned about a lot of fighters. When you would

00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:32.000
talk about Jack Dempsey, talk about different

00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:34.900
fighters from the old days, I learned about a

00:43:34.900 --> 00:43:37.699
lot of those guys from you. I went back and watched

00:43:37.699 --> 00:43:39.679
some of those tapes and now it's beautiful. Now

00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:41.719
you can just get on YouTube and you can see whatever

00:43:41.719 --> 00:43:44.420
you want, everything, see all of it. But to go

00:43:44.420 --> 00:43:47.400
back and go back to my office in prison, if you're

00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:51.760
going to see this. Yeah, exactly. I can't wait.

00:43:51.860 --> 00:43:54.670
I want you to come by. To the ranch. I would

00:43:54.670 --> 00:43:57.530
love to. I'm in. Productive. It's going to be

00:43:57.530 --> 00:44:01.130
awesome. So you said 2022? Yeah. So four years

00:44:01.130 --> 00:44:03.909
from now? Yeah, it's going to be pretty awesome.

00:44:04.210 --> 00:44:06.769
Yeah, that's awesome. Well, the plans look amazing.

00:44:07.210 --> 00:44:09.369
How long have you guys been working towards this?

00:44:09.630 --> 00:44:11.929
Hey, listen, we had seen the property, and then

00:44:11.929 --> 00:44:16.010
we purchased it, and we were just overwhelmed

00:44:16.010 --> 00:44:19.150
with it. This is probably, I don't know, maybe

00:44:19.150 --> 00:44:23.860
a year ago, maybe a year and a half ago. Are

00:44:23.860 --> 00:44:25.980
you going to have a gym up there? Hey, I never

00:44:25.980 --> 00:44:27.340
thought, but we will have because we'll have

00:44:27.340 --> 00:44:31.079
the wellness center. Dude, how great would it

00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:33.119
be if you taught like a boxing class every now

00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:34.340
and then? I don't know about all that stuff,

00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:36.519
but we're going to hang out there and work out.

00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:38.800
Just a fun boxing class, like hitting the heavy

00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:40.559
bag. Just something fun. You don't have to get

00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:42.679
people beating each other up. Do you know how

00:44:42.679 --> 00:44:44.179
much people would pay to smoke weed and come

00:44:44.179 --> 00:44:45.860
learn how to box from you? That would be awesome.

00:44:45.940 --> 00:44:47.539
They could smoke weed with me. That would be

00:44:47.539 --> 00:44:50.360
cool. Do you smoke weed with people, just regular

00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:53.000
folks? Yeah, I smoke weed, yeah. I always try

00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:54.679
to get my wife to smoke with me, though. She

00:44:54.679 --> 00:44:56.519
doesn't smoke? Yeah, she smokes. Only at nighttime.

00:44:56.619 --> 00:44:58.579
She can't function during the daytime. Oh, right,

00:44:58.619 --> 00:45:00.460
right. She does things during the day. Well,

00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:03.579
I would imagine if I was a mother, it would be

00:45:03.579 --> 00:45:05.159
very hard to get high because I'd get paranoid.

00:45:05.980 --> 00:45:08.079
Yeah, of course she doesn't do it during the

00:45:08.079 --> 00:45:11.480
day. At nighttime, it's different. Smoke a little

00:45:11.480 --> 00:45:13.920
weed, relax. Did you ever do any fighting? I

00:45:13.920 --> 00:45:17.300
did kickboxing and taekwondo tournaments. I was

00:45:17.300 --> 00:45:21.380
pretty good at Taekwondo. I won a bunch of state

00:45:21.380 --> 00:45:24.840
championships and won a few national tournaments.

00:45:24.940 --> 00:45:26.599
When did you know you wanted to get physical

00:45:26.599 --> 00:45:28.699
with another human being and do this stuff? You

00:45:28.699 --> 00:45:30.420
can't be in the right frame of mind and want

00:45:30.420 --> 00:45:32.219
to do this stuff. You've got to realize that.

00:45:32.519 --> 00:45:34.380
I was very scared. People that do this stuff

00:45:34.380 --> 00:45:36.260
are not in the right frame of mind. Yeah. And

00:45:36.260 --> 00:45:38.760
dealing with fear drives you insane. yeah deal

00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:41.440
with that drives people insane i was insane during

00:45:41.440 --> 00:45:44.619
my career yes madly insane from fear yeah obviously

00:45:44.619 --> 00:45:46.400
i never went through anything like the level

00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:48.949
that you went through but For these full contact

00:45:48.949 --> 00:45:51.969
taekwondo fights, I was always scared. But I

00:45:51.969 --> 00:45:54.309
was scared before that. I was bullied. I moved

00:45:54.309 --> 00:45:56.190
around a lot. I was a little kid. I was never

00:45:56.190 --> 00:46:00.210
very big. And we moved from New Jersey to San

00:46:00.210 --> 00:46:02.829
Francisco when I was seven, from San Francisco

00:46:02.829 --> 00:46:06.170
to Florida when I was 11, Florida to Boston when

00:46:06.170 --> 00:46:10.010
I was 14 or 13. So it's just always moving to

00:46:10.010 --> 00:46:12.309
new schools, always dealing with new kids. And

00:46:12.309 --> 00:46:14.090
I wasn't big. And I didn't know how to fight.

00:46:14.170 --> 00:46:16.250
And I got picked on. And I didn't like it. So

00:46:16.250 --> 00:46:18.159
I said, I want to. I want to figure out how to

00:46:18.159 --> 00:46:19.980
fight. And so I started getting into martial

00:46:19.980 --> 00:46:22.179
arts. And I just became obsessed with it. I did

00:46:22.179 --> 00:46:24.239
it every day. I started teaching. I was teaching

00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:26.179
at Boston University. I was teaching a Taekwondo

00:46:26.179 --> 00:46:29.239
course when I was 19. I was competing from the

00:46:29.239 --> 00:46:31.360
time I was 15. I just threw myself into it. It's

00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:32.739
all I did every day. I worked at the school.

00:46:33.019 --> 00:46:34.860
I was there every day. I had the keys. I closed

00:46:34.860 --> 00:46:37.500
up. I opened up. And because of you, because

00:46:37.500 --> 00:46:39.340
of hearing about you, when you were running in

00:46:39.340 --> 00:46:41.039
the morning, when you knew that everybody else

00:46:41.039 --> 00:46:43.019
was asleep, that gave you an edge, I'd go there

00:46:43.019 --> 00:46:44.480
in the middle of the night and open up and work

00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:47.610
out. I just wanted to just have an edge, you

00:46:47.610 --> 00:46:49.110
know, and I listened to what you said. I said,

00:46:49.150 --> 00:46:50.909
that's a great way to have an edge. I became

00:46:50.909 --> 00:46:53.309
obsessed with it, but there was no future in

00:46:53.309 --> 00:46:56.590
it. And then what happened was I went from Taekwondo

00:46:56.590 --> 00:46:58.909
to kickboxing. And when I started kickboxing.

00:46:59.579 --> 00:47:02.199
I started getting fucked up. Dudes were beating

00:47:02.199 --> 00:47:03.880
the shit out of me. Cause I was realizing like,

00:47:03.880 --> 00:47:05.920
I can't keep people at the same distance anymore.

00:47:06.019 --> 00:47:07.519
Cause I didn't know how to use my hands properly.

00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:09.780
Like I knew how to throw some punches a little

00:47:09.780 --> 00:47:12.119
bit from Taekwondo, but it's not nearly sophisticated

00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:14.920
as boxing or kickboxing. And so then I started

00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:16.860
kickboxing training and then I started realizing

00:47:16.860 --> 00:47:18.960
like, there's no future in this. Like, what am

00:47:18.960 --> 00:47:20.780
I doing? I'm just getting my brains beat in,

00:47:20.860 --> 00:47:24.039
you know, and I'm hard sparring too. The sparring

00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:27.590
was rough. It was Boston style. put the gloves

00:47:27.590 --> 00:47:29.409
on, beat the shit out of each other, figure it

00:47:29.409 --> 00:47:30.510
out as you go along. Yeah, you ain't going to

00:47:30.510 --> 00:47:32.369
learn shit. Figure it out as you go along. Figure

00:47:32.369 --> 00:47:34.289
it out as you go along. So a lot of headaches.

00:47:34.949 --> 00:47:40.150
But it was hard for me to shut that part of me

00:47:40.150 --> 00:47:42.210
off, the part of me that just wanted to conquer,

00:47:42.369 --> 00:47:43.710
the part of me that just wanted to win all the

00:47:43.710 --> 00:47:45.190
time, to figure out a way to be more intense,

00:47:45.429 --> 00:47:48.170
more driven, more focused. But when I did stop

00:47:48.170 --> 00:47:51.449
fighting, it was a huge relief. The relief part

00:47:51.449 --> 00:47:55.670
was worth the extra anxiety that I got. It was

00:47:55.670 --> 00:47:58.469
worth it just for the relief of not thinking

00:47:58.469 --> 00:48:01.309
about fighting all the time, not thinking about

00:48:01.309 --> 00:48:03.829
when's the next tournament, when's the next event,

00:48:04.070 --> 00:48:06.550
when's the next thing I'm doing. It was just

00:48:06.550 --> 00:48:09.710
that weight. Well, for you, it had to be way

00:48:09.710 --> 00:48:11.690
crazier because not only is it the weight, it's

00:48:11.690 --> 00:48:13.429
the heavyweight championship of the world. I

00:48:13.429 --> 00:48:15.789
always wanted to make my mentor happy. Yeah.

00:48:16.329 --> 00:48:18.329
That's my goal, to make him happy all the time.

00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:21.320
When he died, was it weird not having a person

00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:23.400
like that in your life? Oh, man, it was so, man,

00:48:23.619 --> 00:48:26.699
it was just emptiness. It was just, and then

00:48:26.699 --> 00:48:28.420
people who we thought were our friends and that

00:48:28.420 --> 00:48:29.980
we said we were going to be good to, they just

00:48:29.980 --> 00:48:31.519
started, when he died, they just started going

00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:33.800
in for the kill. You just want to grasp me for

00:48:33.800 --> 00:48:36.519
means. Well, it seemed like you and Kevin Rooney

00:48:36.519 --> 00:48:38.679
had a good combination at the beginning. When

00:48:38.679 --> 00:48:44.010
he died, when Cuss died. We didn't know what

00:48:44.010 --> 00:48:45.289
we were going to do. They were thinking about

00:48:45.289 --> 00:48:47.150
getting rid of Kevin or something. I was thinking,

00:48:47.170 --> 00:48:48.889
I didn't want to be with nobody else. Right.

00:48:49.090 --> 00:48:51.250
I was comfortable with Kevin and the style and

00:48:51.250 --> 00:48:52.289
the way we were working. I didn't want to be

00:48:52.289 --> 00:48:53.590
with nobody else. I said, no, let's just keep

00:48:53.590 --> 00:48:55.909
Kevin. Yeah, and Kevin was a great trainer, too.

00:48:55.949 --> 00:48:57.510
Yeah, for me he was. Very well -respected trainer.

00:48:58.190 --> 00:49:00.590
Yeah. It was a good relationship, like the way

00:49:00.590 --> 00:49:03.250
it worked in the beginning it looked like. But

00:49:03.250 --> 00:49:06.349
then, like all things, you know. Kevin used to

00:49:06.349 --> 00:49:08.650
train me and then fight and I fight on his undercard.

00:49:09.389 --> 00:49:14.750
Oh, really? Yeah. Wow. Wow. And this was all,

00:49:14.869 --> 00:49:19.750
was he training you before Cuss died as well?

00:49:20.289 --> 00:49:23.230
Well, yeah. How many years before Cuss died was

00:49:23.230 --> 00:49:26.570
he holding mitts for you? Just a couple. But

00:49:26.570 --> 00:49:29.329
he knew you well. Yes. He knew the style well.

00:49:29.510 --> 00:49:31.650
Did he watch fights with you as well? Or were

00:49:31.650 --> 00:49:33.010
you watching those fights by yourself? Every

00:49:33.010 --> 00:49:35.110
now and then we watched a fight. Once we started

00:49:35.110 --> 00:49:36.570
training with each other, we started watching

00:49:36.570 --> 00:49:40.469
fights together. Because that was the other thing,

00:49:40.510 --> 00:49:42.610
too. Your style, the way you would come out,

00:49:42.690 --> 00:49:45.570
was so reminiscent of old fighters. When you'd

00:49:45.570 --> 00:49:47.690
come out with no socks on, black shoes. That

00:49:47.690 --> 00:49:50.329
was wild. My mind was thinking it was all about

00:49:50.329 --> 00:49:53.769
gladiator and being tough. I look at it now and

00:49:53.769 --> 00:49:55.429
say, look at that silly little kid. Why does

00:49:55.429 --> 00:49:58.150
that silly kid think he's tough? I don't think

00:49:58.150 --> 00:50:01.110
this guy thinks he's tough. Well, you were tough,

00:50:01.309 --> 00:50:03.369
man. I know what you're saying. I know what you're

00:50:03.369 --> 00:50:05.659
saying, but you were. When you fought Marvis

00:50:05.659 --> 00:50:07.539
Frazier on, what is that, ABC World of Sports?

00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:09.639
Yeah, remember those days ABC had fights? I remember

00:50:09.639 --> 00:50:13.679
watching that fight going, holy shit. That was

00:50:13.679 --> 00:50:15.579
like being locked into a ring with a tornado.

00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:18.179
That was wild days. Yeah, I thought it was a

00:50:18.179 --> 00:50:21.400
tough kid. That was your peak. That was when

00:50:21.400 --> 00:50:24.280
it was peak scary. You were coming up and everybody

00:50:24.280 --> 00:50:27.039
was just terrified. It was just a wild thing

00:50:27.039 --> 00:50:29.519
to watch, man. To be a part of it, to be you?

00:50:29.739 --> 00:50:31.960
Yeah, I wanted to make my mentor real happy,

00:50:32.000 --> 00:50:35.239
though. That was my main goal in fighting. It's

00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:38.599
a powerful goal. Yeah. Did you ever try to go

00:50:38.599 --> 00:50:41.639
back and get hypnotized after all that's over

00:50:41.639 --> 00:50:44.639
to try to maybe calm down that part of your mind

00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:47.480
that they turned on? No, I never did. The toe,

00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:49.980
I think, helped me out. The toe? Yeah, that stuff

00:50:49.980 --> 00:50:53.099
would help me out. Yeah. Did weed help you out

00:50:53.099 --> 00:50:55.039
at all? Pretty much. Yeah. You know what I mean?

00:50:55.119 --> 00:50:56.840
But I had to do it every day. I had to do it

00:50:56.840 --> 00:50:58.619
all the time. Right. I had to do it all the time

00:50:58.619 --> 00:51:00.800
then. Yeah. If I went to another country and

00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:02.800
I didn't have my weed, I'd be insane. I'd say,

00:51:02.820 --> 00:51:04.599
what? No weed? I got to be here a couple of days?

00:51:04.760 --> 00:51:09.360
A week? A month? Get the hell out of here. Yeah.

00:51:10.139 --> 00:51:12.000
Yeah. The rest of the world will catch up eventually.

00:51:12.539 --> 00:51:14.679
They'll catch up eventually. It's slowly happening.

00:51:14.699 --> 00:51:16.380
We were talking about it before the show started

00:51:16.380 --> 00:51:18.639
that just a few years ago, if you smoked weed,

00:51:18.780 --> 00:51:21.480
you felt like you were a criminal. You had to

00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:23.019
hide it all the time. Look around, man. You're

00:51:23.019 --> 00:51:25.099
looking around like a cop. I still like that

00:51:25.099 --> 00:51:27.679
in New York. I was in New York recently. We had

00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:30.119
to hide weed. That's crazy. Still illegal there.

00:51:30.460 --> 00:51:32.739
I'm like, how is this New York City in 2019?

00:51:33.320 --> 00:51:36.380
So stupid. It just doesn't make any sense. Especially

00:51:36.380 --> 00:51:40.039
when we're both high right now. Man, the kite.

00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:43.460
It's fine. Everything's good. Having a nice conversation.

00:51:43.699 --> 00:51:48.280
Beautiful. I agree. I totally agree. How many

00:51:48.280 --> 00:51:51.480
fights did Jim Jacobs have in that library? I

00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:53.239
don't know. Thousands of them, man. I watched

00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:55.920
thousands. Guys fighting in the 1890s, watched

00:51:55.920 --> 00:52:00.159
them all. Wow. Who were standouts for you outside

00:52:00.159 --> 00:52:03.480
of the standouts? Obviously, Jack Johnson. Yeah,

00:52:03.480 --> 00:52:06.889
he was awesome, too. He was just amazing. He

00:52:06.889 --> 00:52:08.250
was ahead of his time fighting. Way ahead of

00:52:08.250 --> 00:52:09.489
his time. There's also little guys like Tony

00:52:09.489 --> 00:52:12.210
Cavanaugh, Harry Armstrong, Bonnie Ross, guys

00:52:12.210 --> 00:52:15.130
like that. Benny Leonard. These guys are just...

00:52:15.420 --> 00:52:17.360
They evolved boxing to the level where it can

00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:19.579
evolve to now. They were superstars in their

00:52:19.579 --> 00:52:21.880
time. Who was that crazy middleweight who went

00:52:21.880 --> 00:52:23.659
up to fight Jack Johnson and dropped him? Yeah,

00:52:23.659 --> 00:52:25.400
Stanley Ketchum. That's right. He's a badass.

00:52:25.400 --> 00:52:27.739
That motherfucker could punch. Yeah, he's a badass.

00:52:27.860 --> 00:52:30.780
He got killed. Yeah. By a guy's... Yeah, because

00:52:30.780 --> 00:52:33.199
he stole this guy's girlfriend. Yeah. He was

00:52:33.199 --> 00:52:34.699
a tough guy. What are you going to do about it?

00:52:34.739 --> 00:52:37.000
Beat the guy up. He disrespected the guy. And

00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:38.880
the guy came back and shot him. Yeah. Stanley

00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:41.619
Ketchum was a real wild and crazy guy. Well,

00:52:41.739 --> 00:52:45.289
most of the greats were. Yeah, he was wild. Well,

00:52:45.409 --> 00:52:47.650
feel it. It doesn't fit anyone. Well, when you

00:52:47.650 --> 00:52:49.530
talk about your life and the way you were living,

00:52:49.650 --> 00:52:51.809
if you go back to most of the greats, like Roberto

00:52:51.809 --> 00:52:54.349
Duran, he was a wild motherfucker, too. He was

00:52:54.349 --> 00:52:56.289
beautiful. It was beautiful. He just had rhythm

00:52:56.289 --> 00:52:58.449
with it. Yeah. There's so many of the greats

00:52:58.449 --> 00:53:01.389
were just wild, wild people. I think it's that

00:53:01.389 --> 00:53:04.730
fear that brings that out of you. Yeah. But then

00:53:04.730 --> 00:53:06.909
there were some greats that were just real disciplined.

00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:10.400
Like Marvin Hagler is my best example for that.

00:53:10.699 --> 00:53:12.739
When I was a kid growing up in Boston, Hagler

00:53:12.739 --> 00:53:14.440
was the middleweight champion of the world. And

00:53:14.440 --> 00:53:16.219
I used to see, they used to have video of him

00:53:16.219 --> 00:53:18.519
running. They played it on the news. He was running

00:53:18.519 --> 00:53:21.219
on the, there was the dunes, sand dunes in Cape

00:53:21.219 --> 00:53:23.500
Cod in the winter, freezing cold, with a hoodie

00:53:23.500 --> 00:53:27.400
on, running, screaming war. War! Crazy, right?

00:53:27.539 --> 00:53:30.059
Oh, it was amazing. Marvin Hagler made you want

00:53:30.059 --> 00:53:31.559
to just get out of your house and go running

00:53:31.559 --> 00:53:34.570
in the snow. He was so disciplined. That was

00:53:34.570 --> 00:53:36.530
the thing that I always got out of watching him,

00:53:36.570 --> 00:53:39.010
wasn't that he was so wild. He was so mentally

00:53:39.010 --> 00:53:42.210
strong. He had an iron chin, and his discipline

00:53:42.210 --> 00:53:46.130
was impeccable. He was just constantly training,

00:53:46.289 --> 00:53:49.449
never out of shape, never got fat, always doing

00:53:49.449 --> 00:53:52.719
sit -ups and push -ups. Ferocious animal, right?

00:53:52.780 --> 00:53:55.260
So his body? Yeah. Oh, he was chiseled. He was

00:53:55.260 --> 00:53:57.940
a machine. That fight with Tommy Hearns, that

00:53:57.940 --> 00:54:00.340
was one of the greatest middleweight encounters

00:54:00.340 --> 00:54:03.460
of all time. Chaos. I mean, it's skillful. We

00:54:03.460 --> 00:54:04.639
didn't know what was going to happen. We thought

00:54:04.639 --> 00:54:06.000
they were going to stop the fight. I thought

00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:07.960
they were going to stop the fight. Tommy Hearns

00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:09.900
was going to be the winner. It's skillful as

00:54:09.900 --> 00:54:13.929
they were. They decided to just smash. Just get

00:54:13.929 --> 00:54:16.250
into the center and fucking fight. There was

00:54:16.250 --> 00:54:18.449
no, like, Tommy Hearns could try to use his jab,

00:54:18.650 --> 00:54:20.849
box him to the outside. You're not going to keep

00:54:20.849 --> 00:54:23.349
Marvin Hagler off you. You can't keep him off

00:54:23.349 --> 00:54:25.690
you. If you don't try to take him out, it's almost

00:54:25.690 --> 00:54:27.530
crazy. You can't box him like that. You know,

00:54:27.610 --> 00:54:29.809
Sugar Ray Leonard did that, but they weren't

00:54:29.809 --> 00:54:32.150
at their prime then. Yeah. I wanted to see those

00:54:32.150 --> 00:54:34.710
two guys in their prime just go at it. Yeah,

00:54:34.769 --> 00:54:36.929
Sugar Ray Leonard, especially when he fought

00:54:36.929 --> 00:54:38.869
Hagler, he fought Hagler smart. Stay the fuck

00:54:38.869 --> 00:54:41.730
away. I heard the craziest rumor. Tell me if

00:54:41.730 --> 00:54:44.969
this is the craziest rumor. That Marvin Hagler

00:54:44.969 --> 00:54:51.369
decided to bet on himself for that fight, knew

00:54:51.369 --> 00:54:53.750
that he was going to lose, they had it set up,

00:54:53.789 --> 00:54:56.369
and then retired and went to Italy. That's a

00:54:56.369 --> 00:54:58.329
ridiculous rumor, right? Hey, I don't know what

00:54:58.329 --> 00:55:01.070
anybody did, but I never heard anything like

00:55:01.070 --> 00:55:03.489
that. You never heard that one? No. But he's

00:55:03.489 --> 00:55:06.809
one of the most interesting end of careers ever.

00:55:06.889 --> 00:55:08.849
I heard rumors that he didn't fight the fight

00:55:08.849 --> 00:55:10.349
that he should have fought, that he knew he should

00:55:10.349 --> 00:55:12.849
have fought. Right. You know what I mean? Well,

00:55:12.889 --> 00:55:14.449
the rumor was he went to Italy because the mob

00:55:14.449 --> 00:55:16.869
said everything. Yeah. Something to that effect.

00:55:17.030 --> 00:55:18.710
He went to Italy and became a giant movie star.

00:55:18.969 --> 00:55:21.210
But he's the only guy that I can think of in

00:55:21.210 --> 00:55:24.650
recent memory that literally went out on top.

00:55:25.190 --> 00:55:27.829
Had this unbelievably close fight with Sugar

00:55:27.829 --> 00:55:29.190
Ray Leonard, who a lot of people think he could

00:55:29.190 --> 00:55:31.440
have won that fight. Very close decision. And

00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:34.219
then says, that's it. See ya. I'm done. Everybody

00:55:34.219 --> 00:55:39.920
comes back. It's hard not to come back. I guess

00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:42.760
at one time, that's your whole life. I'm surprised

00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:44.739
I never came back. That was just my whole life.

00:55:44.800 --> 00:55:48.639
That was my whole identity. But when you did

00:55:48.639 --> 00:55:50.559
retire, and when you retired in the ring, that

00:55:50.559 --> 00:55:53.079
was the most honest retirement speech I've ever

00:55:53.079 --> 00:55:55.670
heard a boxer give, ever. He's just like, I don't

00:55:55.670 --> 00:55:57.949
have this in me anymore. No, it just wasn't there

00:55:57.949 --> 00:56:01.849
anymore. That was pretty bizarre for myself,

00:56:02.030 --> 00:56:03.889
you know, because this is what I based my life

00:56:03.889 --> 00:56:06.250
on doing. When I first started doing it, I said,

00:56:06.250 --> 00:56:07.710
I'm going to dedicate my life to this stuff.

00:56:08.710 --> 00:56:11.329
You get to see that it's not even, it's no longer

00:56:11.329 --> 00:56:12.929
going to happen. It was pretty weird. When did

00:56:12.929 --> 00:56:14.469
you know that you didn't want to do it anymore?

00:56:15.070 --> 00:56:17.090
I've known years before that, but I was still

00:56:17.090 --> 00:56:19.750
being very successful. Yeah. Like when? Like

00:56:19.750 --> 00:56:22.130
what year? Do you remember around when you started

00:56:22.130 --> 00:56:26.119
thinking it? I remember. Probably around, what,

00:56:26.219 --> 00:56:31.079
the 2000 area. So by the time, that's post -Holyfield?

00:56:32.440 --> 00:56:35.519
Yeah, after Holyfield. And you had it done too

00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:37.579
much. I was just winning them, just winning,

00:56:37.579 --> 00:56:40.699
beating guys. You know, guys get hit or something,

00:56:40.780 --> 00:56:45.130
and some guys be so scared. Yeah. What did you

00:56:45.130 --> 00:56:46.989
have in mind? Like, that's the hardest thing,

00:56:47.110 --> 00:56:49.530
right? To swing from that to the next thing.

00:56:49.670 --> 00:56:53.210
Like, how do you take this crazy, exciting life?

00:56:53.309 --> 00:56:55.449
I don't know. I decided, listen, let me just

00:56:55.449 --> 00:56:58.969
get high for a while and figure this out. That

00:56:58.969 --> 00:57:01.449
was the plan? Yeah. Let me party for a while

00:57:01.449 --> 00:57:04.929
and figure this stuff out. What did you figure

00:57:04.929 --> 00:57:09.010
out? That I wanted to do other things. So I started

00:57:09.010 --> 00:57:13.010
my wife. She arranged for me to be this thespian

00:57:13.010 --> 00:57:17.469
on stage. She created the live show? Yeah, yeah.

00:57:17.789 --> 00:57:20.190
That's a brilliant idea. Because you're also

00:57:20.190 --> 00:57:21.769
the first fighter that ever did that. Because

00:57:21.769 --> 00:57:24.610
many fighters have great stories, but very few

00:57:24.610 --> 00:57:26.130
of them have ever, I don't think anybody besides

00:57:26.130 --> 00:57:27.309
you, has ever put it into a theatrical thing.

00:57:28.369 --> 00:57:30.610
Man, it's just amazing. We did it in Monaco.

00:57:30.789 --> 00:57:35.869
We did it in Rome. We did it. amount of various

00:57:35.869 --> 00:57:38.050
places. And I just can't believe that people

00:57:38.050 --> 00:57:40.369
want to see that stuff. Well, like I said, the

00:57:40.369 --> 00:57:42.429
documentary was amazing. So people want to hear

00:57:42.429 --> 00:57:44.849
the live version of you talking about it and

00:57:44.849 --> 00:57:47.550
to see you live in person. Because the first

00:57:47.550 --> 00:57:52.110
time we did it, the first time we did it on Broadway,

00:57:52.210 --> 00:57:55.889
that is, we were really not sure about how it

00:57:55.889 --> 00:57:58.070
was going to turn out. So we invited all of our

00:57:58.070 --> 00:58:00.639
friends. We had tickets and gave all to our friends

00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:02.179
and people we love, like names, and we brought

00:58:02.179 --> 00:58:04.659
them to the show. And so when we started, they

00:58:04.659 --> 00:58:06.079
started laughing. Everybody started laughing.

00:58:06.139 --> 00:58:08.340
I ran to my wife. I ran up to her and said, baby,

00:58:08.420 --> 00:58:10.880
what's going on? Is everything okay? I didn't

00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:12.940
want the show to be a comedy. It turned out to

00:58:12.940 --> 00:58:14.500
be a comedy. It was supposed to be a hard, gritty

00:58:14.500 --> 00:58:16.579
show about a tough guy that made it through his

00:58:16.579 --> 00:58:18.400
toughness. And it just came up about me just

00:58:18.400 --> 00:58:20.019
talking about myself, how much a smuck I am.

00:58:20.099 --> 00:58:25.750
You know what I mean? And they loved it. Well,

00:58:25.769 --> 00:58:27.650
I think that was part of it. It's because everybody

00:58:27.650 --> 00:58:31.090
knew you were this tough guy, but they didn't

00:58:31.090 --> 00:58:33.530
know that you could be so self -deprecating and

00:58:33.530 --> 00:58:36.070
have so much fun with it all. You know, that's

00:58:36.070 --> 00:58:39.349
why people loved it. Yeah, they're doing the

00:58:39.349 --> 00:58:41.929
writing for my movie and stuff. I haven't seen

00:58:41.929 --> 00:58:43.530
it in a day, but it's going to be pretty wild.

00:58:43.829 --> 00:58:46.909
Who's playing you in a movie? I don't know. Various

00:58:46.909 --> 00:58:50.750
people, but most likely Jamie Foxx. Jamie Foxx.

00:58:51.050 --> 00:58:53.800
He could do it. He could do anything. He could

00:58:53.800 --> 00:58:56.079
do anything. Anything. That guy could be the

00:58:56.079 --> 00:58:57.440
fucking president of the United States. He could

00:58:57.440 --> 00:58:59.960
be a pilot that goes to the moon. He could do

00:58:59.960 --> 00:59:01.460
whatever the fuck he wants. I want him to do

00:59:01.460 --> 00:59:03.960
it, yeah. He could do whatever he wants. He'll

00:59:03.960 --> 00:59:06.980
probably bulk up like crazy, too, to do it. It's

00:59:06.980 --> 00:59:09.300
going to be really wild. Yeah. Jamie could pull

00:59:09.300 --> 00:59:12.420
it off. Michael Jai White pulled it off. Huh?

00:59:12.679 --> 00:59:14.340
Michael Jai White. You can't do it like Jamie,

00:59:14.340 --> 00:59:17.489
I don't think. I don't know. I thought he didn't

00:59:17.489 --> 00:59:18.869
do a bad job. A lot of people didn't like what

00:59:18.869 --> 00:59:20.269
he did, but I thought he did a good job. I think

00:59:20.269 --> 00:59:22.269
he did a good job. I loved him in Spawn. He's

00:59:22.269 --> 00:59:24.250
a great guy. Do you know him well? No. He's a

00:59:24.250 --> 00:59:26.769
great guy. Great guy. Very smart guy. Very humble

00:59:26.769 --> 00:59:29.889
guy. Really, really intelligent. And a great

00:59:29.889 --> 00:59:32.230
martial artist, too. Michael Jai White. He was

00:59:32.230 --> 00:59:34.690
a Kilkishin karate black belt. He's a bad motherfucker.

00:59:35.030 --> 00:59:37.769
Did he fight in the UFC? No. When he was fighting,

00:59:37.789 --> 00:59:39.550
there was no UFC around, but he did a lot of

00:59:39.550 --> 00:59:41.630
karate tournaments and stuff. He's very good.

00:59:42.369 --> 00:59:45.139
I've watched him train before. He's legit. Very

00:59:45.139 --> 00:59:47.739
legit, but like I said real real good guy, but

00:59:47.739 --> 00:59:50.320
yeah, I agree Jamie Foxx man Jamie Foxx is on

00:59:50.320 --> 00:59:53.780
another planet he's just got this level of competence

00:59:53.780 --> 00:59:57.500
and skill and Artistry in his singing and his

00:59:57.500 --> 01:00:00.900
comedy and his acting he could do anything he

01:00:00.900 --> 01:00:03.079
could play you He's gonna hang out with you for

01:00:03.079 --> 01:00:05.679
a while. I don't know what he's gotta he's gotta

01:00:05.679 --> 01:00:10.000
hang out with you Pretty awesome, he's gotta

01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:13.050
hang out with you gotta absorb it, right? Yeah,

01:00:13.110 --> 01:00:14.769
let's see how that works out. Are you going to

01:00:14.769 --> 01:00:16.570
be his consultant? Are you going to be like,

01:00:16.650 --> 01:00:18.469
bitch, I would have never said that? I would

01:00:18.469 --> 01:00:20.829
like to say that, yeah. I'd like to be a consultant.

01:00:22.369 --> 01:00:26.050
But for some reason, they have their Hollywood

01:00:26.050 --> 01:00:28.670
ways of doing things. Yeah. You know what I mean?

01:00:28.710 --> 01:00:30.889
They make it come out Hollywood -ish, I guess.

01:00:31.989 --> 01:00:34.789
Because some things, it's just really wild how

01:00:34.789 --> 01:00:39.210
they try to switch it to appear presentable.

01:00:39.550 --> 01:00:42.469
Right. Yeah, they try to change the story. And

01:00:42.469 --> 01:00:44.250
no one else I realized, too, from a Hollywood

01:00:44.250 --> 01:00:46.650
perspective, some things are real. It's just

01:00:46.650 --> 01:00:50.289
still unbelievable. Yeah, by itself. Yeah, some

01:00:50.289 --> 01:00:52.570
things are really unbelievable. Yeah, well, do

01:00:52.570 --> 01:00:54.429
you know that movie, Foxcatcher? Did you know

01:00:54.429 --> 01:00:56.530
that movie? Yeah, the wrestling movie. I remember

01:00:56.530 --> 01:00:58.309
that story of the young guy. I remember that.

01:00:58.429 --> 01:01:02.449
Yeah, that guy, Mark Schultz. It was Dave Schultz

01:01:02.449 --> 01:01:04.050
and Mark Schultz. Dave Schultz is the one who

01:01:04.050 --> 01:01:06.409
got murdered. Mark Schultz is the guy who fought

01:01:06.409 --> 01:01:08.670
in the UFC. Here's what's crazy about that movie.

01:01:08.869 --> 01:01:10.510
I don't know how much of that movie is accurate.

01:01:11.210 --> 01:01:13.530
I don't know. I wasn't there. But what I do know

01:01:13.530 --> 01:01:16.250
is the one thing that I for sure know happened,

01:01:16.329 --> 01:01:19.710
they changed. When he fought in the UFC, Mark

01:01:19.710 --> 01:01:21.429
only fought in the UFC once. He fought a guy

01:01:21.429 --> 01:01:24.690
named Big Daddy Goodrich. Gary Big Daddy Goodrich.

01:01:24.769 --> 01:01:25.889
Black guy, right? Yeah. I know who that is. Big

01:01:25.889 --> 01:01:28.010
black guy wore a karate gi and then eventually

01:01:28.010 --> 01:01:29.869
got rid of the gi later in his career. But he's

01:01:29.869 --> 01:01:32.630
a legend. Big Daddy's a legend. In the movie,

01:01:32.769 --> 01:01:34.449
it's not Big Daddy. In the movie, he's fighting

01:01:34.449 --> 01:01:37.070
some white guy. It doesn't make any sense. They

01:01:37.070 --> 01:01:40.809
changed who he's fighting. It's a historical

01:01:40.809 --> 01:01:43.909
event. It's like if you, for whatever reason,

01:01:43.929 --> 01:01:46.090
they decided to not have you fight Trevor Burbick.

01:01:46.429 --> 01:01:48.630
You fought someone else. You fought Jerry Cooney

01:01:48.630 --> 01:01:50.050
for the title or something. That would be bizarre.

01:01:50.289 --> 01:01:51.469
They'd be like, why would you change history?

01:01:51.710 --> 01:01:53.829
I hope they don't do nothing. I can't want to

01:01:53.829 --> 01:01:55.750
do it if they do something like that. They did

01:01:55.750 --> 01:01:58.130
it with the UFC when they did it with Foxcatcher.

01:01:58.670 --> 01:02:00.889
Right, but it doesn't make it any better. That's

01:02:00.889 --> 01:02:02.750
what's crazy. It doesn't make the movie any better

01:02:02.750 --> 01:02:04.630
to have him fight a Russian guy. It doesn't make

01:02:04.630 --> 01:02:05.449
any sense. It would have made it better to fight

01:02:05.449 --> 01:02:09.070
Daddy. Yes. Because he's known in the UFC. Especially

01:02:09.070 --> 01:02:11.349
for people like me that are in the audience that

01:02:11.349 --> 01:02:13.769
go, oh, look, look who's playing Big Daddy. How

01:02:13.769 --> 01:02:16.139
do you do it, Big Daddy? Big Daddy's tough. He

01:02:16.139 --> 01:02:18.179
took Big Daddy down at will. Yeah, he did whatever

01:02:18.179 --> 01:02:20.699
he wanted to him. He's Mark Schultz. He was a

01:02:20.699 --> 01:02:23.840
motherfucker of a wrestler. I mean, him and his

01:02:23.840 --> 01:02:26.559
brother were savages. They were savages. They

01:02:26.559 --> 01:02:28.619
were just made out of steel. What was the deal

01:02:28.619 --> 01:02:30.300
with that guy? How did they hook up with that

01:02:30.300 --> 01:02:33.099
guy? The guy was really, really rich, and there's

01:02:33.099 --> 01:02:35.559
no money in amateur wrestling. And these guys,

01:02:35.639 --> 01:02:37.380
a lot of them are really struggling. When they're

01:02:37.380 --> 01:02:39.079
trying to make the Olympics team, I mean, they're

01:02:39.079 --> 01:02:41.239
getting by, barely. They barely have enough money

01:02:41.239 --> 01:02:43.420
for healthy food. And they need sponsors. And

01:02:43.420 --> 01:02:45.079
sometimes they get sponsors, like a rich guy

01:02:45.079 --> 01:02:48.000
who owns a business. You know, he loves the Olympics.

01:02:48.059 --> 01:02:49.820
He loves wrestling. Maybe he wrestled in college,

01:02:49.940 --> 01:02:52.119
and he'll take care of them, maybe get them some

01:02:52.119 --> 01:02:54.739
vitamins, maybe sponsor them with the... They

01:02:54.739 --> 01:02:56.559
have various people that help them with their

01:02:56.559 --> 01:02:58.760
training and their food. But this guy came along

01:02:58.760 --> 01:03:00.059
and said, look, I'm going to build a gigantic

01:03:00.059 --> 01:03:02.940
facility to create the best wrestling program

01:03:02.940 --> 01:03:05.420
and pay you guys all money to come and train

01:03:05.420 --> 01:03:07.340
here. And they couldn't help it. It's like they

01:03:07.340 --> 01:03:09.360
were poor. They didn't know what to do. I understand

01:03:09.360 --> 01:03:12.059
that. Yeah. And he was a guy who was like a trust

01:03:12.059 --> 01:03:13.880
fund guy. He got all his money from his family.

01:03:14.079 --> 01:03:16.559
And he was just some crazy rich asshole. And

01:03:16.559 --> 01:03:20.760
he wound up shooting one of them. Yeah. That's

01:03:20.760 --> 01:03:23.159
what it is. I mean, like you said, the story

01:03:23.159 --> 01:03:26.000
itself is fucking crazy enough. The actual story.

01:03:26.059 --> 01:03:27.960
They didn't have to change anything of it. So

01:03:27.960 --> 01:03:30.340
I know they changed that part of it. So who knows

01:03:30.340 --> 01:03:32.519
what else in the movie they added or changed

01:03:32.519 --> 01:03:34.980
or fucked with. They fucked with something they

01:03:34.980 --> 01:03:36.659
didn't have to fuck with. They went Hollywood

01:03:36.659 --> 01:03:38.739
with it in a way that they didn't have to do.

01:03:38.860 --> 01:03:41.659
So it makes you question all the other things

01:03:41.659 --> 01:03:44.309
that happened in the movie. That's pretty bizarre.

01:03:44.570 --> 01:03:47.909
So for you, they can't do that. Your life is

01:03:47.909 --> 01:03:50.730
crazy. Insane. You know what? I was saying to

01:03:50.730 --> 01:03:53.090
myself, do I really want to do this stuff, man?

01:03:53.150 --> 01:03:55.070
Do I really want to go on the screen with my

01:03:55.070 --> 01:03:57.389
life and be sincere with these people? I said,

01:03:57.469 --> 01:03:59.610
do I really need that? I've been thinking about

01:03:59.610 --> 01:04:01.889
that recently. Do I really need this stuff? And

01:04:01.889 --> 01:04:04.750
this cannabis business is getting ready to pop

01:04:04.750 --> 01:04:06.989
off and do really well. I'm saying, I don't really

01:04:06.989 --> 01:04:09.630
need it. That we need this money. It's not going

01:04:09.630 --> 01:04:11.210
to hurt you. It's not going to hurt you. It's

01:04:11.210 --> 01:04:12.670
going to help you. Anything helps you at this

01:04:12.670 --> 01:04:15.210
point. You're so honest that anything that you've

01:04:15.210 --> 01:04:16.750
done in the past that you're embarrassed about

01:04:16.750 --> 01:04:19.530
or you're shameful of, it just makes, it's just

01:04:19.530 --> 01:04:21.909
better. It's just better for you. It's like you

01:04:21.909 --> 01:04:23.969
made mistakes. People can learn from them. These

01:04:23.969 --> 01:04:26.369
are beneficial. So watching someone like you

01:04:26.369 --> 01:04:28.250
talk about your life is beneficial for people

01:04:28.250 --> 01:04:31.579
because you learn. how you can overcome these

01:04:31.579 --> 01:04:34.400
experiences, how, how bad things can be for you.

01:04:34.420 --> 01:04:37.019
You learn how bad you can fuck up and people

01:04:37.019 --> 01:04:39.179
need to see shit like that. It's good for, it's

01:04:39.179 --> 01:04:41.460
good for civilization. It's good for our culture.

01:04:42.539 --> 01:04:45.699
I think so. And plus a guy like you who was,

01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:48.519
like I said, when I was a kid, you were the fucking

01:04:48.519 --> 01:04:52.940
man. I mean, you were the fucking man to have

01:04:52.940 --> 01:04:55.639
a guy like you be self -deprecating, explaining

01:04:55.639 --> 01:04:57.900
and laughing about things. It makes it even it

01:04:57.900 --> 01:05:00.199
sinks in more. It's like you were saying what

01:05:00.199 --> 01:05:02.739
we were saying about custom model, that his wisdom

01:05:02.739 --> 01:05:06.820
is sunk in. Like he was the gravel in his voice

01:05:06.820 --> 01:05:09.320
and the intensity in his eyes and the wisdom

01:05:09.320 --> 01:05:12.550
in his words. It sunk in. I remembered his quotes

01:05:12.550 --> 01:05:15.869
for years afterwards because he lived so much,

01:05:15.929 --> 01:05:18.070
because he had so much. And that's the same thing

01:05:18.070 --> 01:05:19.849
with you, man. When you're talking about your

01:05:19.849 --> 01:05:23.150
life experiences, people listen. They take it

01:05:23.150 --> 01:05:25.030
in because they know you lived an extraordinary

01:05:25.030 --> 01:05:28.309
life. So they better not fuck this movie up.

01:05:28.349 --> 01:05:32.670
Yeah, real extreme. As extreme as it gets. What's

01:05:32.670 --> 01:05:35.670
more extreme other than a soldier? Those are

01:05:35.670 --> 01:05:37.650
the only people that live a more extreme life.

01:05:37.829 --> 01:05:40.639
First responders, soldiers, firemen. Police officers.

01:05:41.059 --> 01:05:43.019
Wow. Yeah, that's it. I mean, they're seeing

01:05:43.019 --> 01:05:44.940
death and violence every day. Other than them,

01:05:45.099 --> 01:05:47.179
you probably live the most extreme life ever.

01:05:48.780 --> 01:05:50.719
Who the fuck can relate to you? Do you ever get

01:05:50.719 --> 01:05:53.519
together with other, like, world -class pro boxers

01:05:53.519 --> 01:05:55.219
that have... No, but the guy that do get into

01:05:55.219 --> 01:05:56.880
it, the guy you talk about, the veterans and

01:05:56.880 --> 01:05:59.239
stuff. Yeah. They be telling me weird stuff,

01:05:59.300 --> 01:06:01.539
you know? Oh, man. Yeah, talk to SEALs about

01:06:01.539 --> 01:06:03.500
their time deployed. I'm surprised they don't

01:06:03.500 --> 01:06:05.739
take themselves out. A lot of those guys... Mm

01:06:05.739 --> 01:06:08.710
-hmm. Yeah. They're going dark side. Well, a

01:06:08.710 --> 01:06:11.050
lot of those guys are finding some relief in

01:06:11.050 --> 01:06:12.610
the same things that you found relief in. They

01:06:12.610 --> 01:06:15.550
find relief in DMT and other psychedelics, mushrooms.

01:06:16.050 --> 01:06:18.409
I think that could be a great benefit to a lot

01:06:18.409 --> 01:06:20.869
of our veterans. I believe that 100 % too. I

01:06:20.869 --> 01:06:23.210
don't know why they don't want to dabble in this

01:06:23.210 --> 01:06:25.690
stuff. Yeah. What do you think would have happened

01:06:25.690 --> 01:06:27.469
to you if you got a hold of that stuff while

01:06:27.469 --> 01:06:30.409
you were in your prime? I don't know. I don't

01:06:30.409 --> 01:06:32.510
think maybe I want to be a fighter then. Yeah.

01:06:32.869 --> 01:06:35.969
Maybe I wouldn't want to be a fighter. Damn,

01:06:35.969 --> 01:06:39.969
DMT might have derailed it. Yeah. I might want

01:06:39.969 --> 01:06:42.969
to love everybody. You know, that's what it makes

01:06:42.969 --> 01:06:44.389
you feel like. When you come out of it, you say,

01:06:44.449 --> 01:06:47.630
I love you. Yeah. If they love everybody. Yeah.

01:06:48.230 --> 01:06:51.710
Well, my hope is that with great organizations

01:06:51.710 --> 01:06:56.590
like MAPS, that one day people will be able to

01:06:56.590 --> 01:06:58.469
see things, like everybody will be able to see

01:06:58.469 --> 01:07:00.690
things the way you do. And that we'll all have

01:07:00.690 --> 01:07:01.969
this understanding of what these things are.

01:07:02.090 --> 01:07:04.690
They're tools that can help us. All these things,

01:07:04.730 --> 01:07:07.329
including marijuana. It's a tool to help us.

01:07:07.630 --> 01:07:10.170
You could abuse any tool. You could abuse any

01:07:10.170 --> 01:07:11.789
tool there is. You could take a hammer and hit

01:07:11.789 --> 01:07:13.590
yourself in the head if you're stupid. You could

01:07:13.590 --> 01:07:16.329
abuse anything. But you could also use it and

01:07:16.329 --> 01:07:19.530
build yourself a beautiful house. And with cannabis,

01:07:19.750 --> 01:07:22.789
you could use it. It makes you a nicer person.

01:07:22.969 --> 01:07:25.630
It does. It makes you more. I feel more vulnerable.

01:07:25.829 --> 01:07:27.650
I have more of a sense of community. I'm always

01:07:27.650 --> 01:07:29.489
hugging people when I'm high. I want to hug everybody.

01:07:30.090 --> 01:07:32.989
I agree. It's a better feeling. Yeah. You know

01:07:32.989 --> 01:07:37.230
what I mean? It makes you feel kind. I agree.

01:07:37.489 --> 01:07:39.789
I like feeling kind. What is it like for you

01:07:39.789 --> 01:07:44.369
to watch boxing these days? It's not my life

01:07:44.369 --> 01:07:46.389
anymore. You don't watch it at all? Did you watch

01:07:46.389 --> 01:07:47.809
Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder? No, I didn't watch

01:07:47.809 --> 01:07:50.329
it. Oh, it was a great fight. I was in the air

01:07:50.329 --> 01:07:52.090
flying when they were fighting. Oh, really? Yeah.

01:07:52.349 --> 01:07:53.809
You didn't watch any of the highlights or anything?

01:07:54.050 --> 01:07:56.570
I saw some of the highlights, yes. How crazy

01:07:56.570 --> 01:07:59.489
is Deontay Wilder's power? Good stuff. Crazy,

01:07:59.489 --> 01:08:02.250
right? Because he's built so strange. How incredible

01:08:02.250 --> 01:08:06.530
is Tyson's chore? Incredible. Incredible. And

01:08:06.530 --> 01:08:08.849
gets up and wins the rest of the round. That's

01:08:08.849 --> 01:08:10.570
what's really incredible. It's amazing. Amazing

01:08:10.570 --> 01:08:15.070
fight. Yeah. So you don't follow any of it today?

01:08:15.590 --> 01:08:21.270
You know, that's part of my life. I've got mixed

01:08:21.270 --> 01:08:23.329
feelings with that part of my life. Right, right,

01:08:23.369 --> 01:08:26.329
right. You know what I mean? A lot of stuff that

01:08:26.329 --> 01:08:29.289
I don't like about myself and stuff. Right. I

01:08:29.289 --> 01:08:31.010
try to forget that stuff because I'm on a whole

01:08:31.010 --> 01:08:35.930
different pattern. Yeah. So even watching other

01:08:35.930 --> 01:08:38.569
people box. I don't even watch nothing. I try

01:08:38.569 --> 01:08:40.869
to stay away as much as possible. So watching

01:08:40.869 --> 01:08:42.590
other people box makes you think about yourself

01:08:42.590 --> 01:08:44.989
when you're fighting. Reminds you of it. Kind

01:08:44.989 --> 01:08:46.850
of, yeah. Yeah. I always say these guys are so

01:08:46.850 --> 01:08:49.130
much nicer than I was. You know what I mean?

01:08:49.149 --> 01:08:54.470
These are cool guys, man. Yeah, right? Yeah,

01:08:55.109 --> 01:08:57.409
there's no one out there today that's got that

01:08:57.409 --> 01:08:58.789
mean, vicious persona anymore. Yeah, these are

01:08:58.789 --> 01:09:02.170
nice guys. Yeah, when you were in the ring doing

01:09:02.170 --> 01:09:04.069
a post -fight interview saying you wanted to

01:09:04.069 --> 01:09:06.130
eat your children, you wanted to eat someone's

01:09:06.130 --> 01:09:08.369
children, I remember saying, this is the craziest

01:09:08.369 --> 01:09:10.590
fucking post -fight interview. It was about Lennox

01:09:10.590 --> 01:09:13.329
Lewis, right? Yeah, he's a madman. What's wrong

01:09:13.329 --> 01:09:17.069
with me? I'm just a madman. It was amazing. It

01:09:17.069 --> 01:09:20.270
was amazing. For the story, for the time, I mean,

01:09:20.270 --> 01:09:23.689
look, what it was was... When we saw Rocky III.

01:09:24.189 --> 01:09:27.649
right and mr t was was challenging you know uh

01:09:27.649 --> 01:09:30.069
rocky and he would say all that crazy shit about

01:09:30.069 --> 01:09:32.289
what he was going to do my prediction pain that

01:09:32.289 --> 01:09:34.550
was beautiful it was beautiful what you did is

01:09:34.550 --> 01:09:36.810
you took that and just cranked it up to 11 and

01:09:36.810 --> 01:09:39.449
threw gasoline on it and lit it on fire you just

01:09:39.449 --> 01:09:42.189
took that kind of ferocious shit talking yeah

01:09:42.189 --> 01:09:44.069
i look at some of those um press conferences

01:09:44.069 --> 01:09:46.050
a long time what i'm saying is that i would never

01:09:46.050 --> 01:09:47.449
talk to anybody like that you know it's just

01:09:47.449 --> 01:09:49.609
such a different world now my world is so different

01:09:49.609 --> 01:09:52.630
now do you feel when you watch that stuff that

01:09:52.630 --> 01:09:55.569
you feel almost like like, trapped by that past,

01:09:55.750 --> 01:09:57.649
like, that you have to acknowledge it and you

01:09:57.649 --> 01:09:59.770
don't even acknowledge it anymore. Yeah, I'm

01:09:59.770 --> 01:10:01.229
almost a little bit like, I don't want to be

01:10:01.229 --> 01:10:03.270
involved. I wish that never happened. Yeah, yeah.

01:10:04.430 --> 01:10:06.409
But it kind of had to happen for you to be who

01:10:06.409 --> 01:10:08.590
you are now. Yeah, because people are... This

01:10:08.590 --> 01:10:10.529
is the real reason, right, Joe? People still

01:10:10.529 --> 01:10:13.789
love that guy. Yeah, yeah. People love that.

01:10:13.829 --> 01:10:16.710
I didn't like that guy that much. So I'm conflicting

01:10:16.710 --> 01:10:18.630
with people that like that guy and me living

01:10:18.630 --> 01:10:21.470
my life that I'm living now. Yeah. Well, people

01:10:21.470 --> 01:10:24.050
love that guy because that guy gave them a drug,

01:10:24.189 --> 01:10:26.630
and that drug was excitement. Like, you turn

01:10:26.630 --> 01:10:29.149
on the TV, like, oh, shit, here we go. Michael

01:10:29.149 --> 01:10:31.869
Spinks, Mike Tyson, here we go. And boom! Oh!

01:10:32.970 --> 01:10:34.750
That's what people wanted. They wanted that excitement.

01:10:34.909 --> 01:10:36.970
They knew some crazy shit was about to go down.

01:10:37.649 --> 01:10:40.090
Unpredictable. No one knows what's going to happen

01:10:40.090 --> 01:10:41.670
in a fight. Is it going to be a right or a left?

01:10:41.810 --> 01:10:43.149
Is it going to move right? Is it going to move

01:10:43.149 --> 01:10:45.050
left? How's it going to work out? You don't know.

01:10:45.149 --> 01:10:47.369
How long can sphinx last? You don't know. And

01:10:47.369 --> 01:10:50.149
everybody was excited. And that's what you brought

01:10:50.149 --> 01:10:53.250
people. You brought people this chaotic moment.

01:10:53.409 --> 01:10:54.890
You slapped down the money in the pay -per -view.

01:10:54.970 --> 01:10:56.630
You got out your popcorn and you waited for the

01:10:56.630 --> 01:10:59.090
rush. The rush of excitement. Those were crazy

01:10:59.090 --> 01:11:04.710
days. Crazy days. Crazy. I hate to keep bringing

01:11:04.710 --> 01:11:08.409
your head back to that, but just for me as a

01:11:08.409 --> 01:11:10.710
kid growing up during that time, it was a big

01:11:10.710 --> 01:11:15.029
part of my becoming an adult. It was during your

01:11:15.029 --> 01:11:17.789
era, your era of dominance. I always look at

01:11:17.789 --> 01:11:19.770
my kids and I think, wow, these guys are pretty

01:11:19.770 --> 01:11:25.899
much... middle -class kids. They live their life.

01:11:25.920 --> 01:11:27.500
They do what they want. They go to college and

01:11:27.500 --> 01:11:29.960
everything. I would never want to put that pressure

01:11:29.960 --> 01:11:31.539
on my son that you have to be the total best.

01:11:31.619 --> 01:11:33.060
You have to dominate everybody. You got to be

01:11:33.060 --> 01:11:34.899
the best that ever lived. You put that kind of

01:11:34.899 --> 01:11:36.939
pressure on him. That's incredible. I would never

01:11:36.939 --> 01:11:40.199
do that to them. Yeah, it would never work, probably.

01:11:40.560 --> 01:11:42.239
I mean, I don't think a kid that grows up in

01:11:42.239 --> 01:11:44.100
a loving household with supportive parents. Yeah,

01:11:44.100 --> 01:11:46.960
you guys boxing for when you have nothing. Yeah.

01:11:47.060 --> 01:11:49.420
When you do boxing when you have nothing because

01:11:49.420 --> 01:11:52.020
that's a lot of... That's a lot of dedication.

01:11:52.279 --> 01:11:55.439
That's a lot of pain. That's a lot of aggravation.

01:11:55.520 --> 01:11:58.039
You know what I mean? It really is discovering

01:11:58.039 --> 01:12:00.420
who you are. But you must be able to take pride

01:12:00.420 --> 01:12:01.899
in the fact that your children don't ever have

01:12:01.899 --> 01:12:03.899
to do that. Oh, and that's why I took the punches

01:12:03.899 --> 01:12:07.079
for they wouldn't have to do that. I had my first...

01:12:07.079 --> 01:12:09.279
My husband's son is 16. He wanted to be a boxer.

01:12:09.659 --> 01:12:11.779
I saw you working with him. You have to get out

01:12:11.779 --> 01:12:14.680
of here. You have to get out of here. You're

01:12:14.680 --> 01:12:17.960
stupid. You go to private school. You want to

01:12:17.960 --> 01:12:22.770
be a boxer and stuff? You travel, you go to European

01:12:22.770 --> 01:12:24.829
trips, you do your trips and all that stuff,

01:12:24.869 --> 01:12:26.890
vacations. You want to be a fighter? Get out

01:12:26.890 --> 01:12:31.390
of here. You're a joke, man. You're a joke, man.

01:12:31.869 --> 01:12:34.890
And he's really serious. He's serious, man. I

01:12:34.890 --> 01:12:37.289
don't want nobody. You want to go fight some

01:12:37.289 --> 01:12:40.350
guy like me? Some animal? I don't want my kids

01:12:40.350 --> 01:12:43.329
to go through that crap. That's degrading, some

01:12:43.329 --> 01:12:46.630
guy like that beating on you. Yeah. That's the

01:12:46.630 --> 01:12:50.840
thing, is the fuel that you had, the burning

01:12:50.840 --> 01:12:53.399
inferno inside you. You can't replicate that.

01:12:53.439 --> 01:12:55.140
They don't understand that. They don't, I don't

01:12:55.140 --> 01:12:58.119
know. You know, a lot of stuff inspires, shame

01:12:58.119 --> 01:13:01.560
inspires a lot of success. Yeah. You know? Yeah.

01:13:01.640 --> 01:13:03.460
They don't have to deal with that kind of shame.

01:13:03.720 --> 01:13:07.420
Right, right. Shame, pain. Exactly. Feeling of

01:13:07.420 --> 01:13:10.479
being left out, feeling of not belonging. If

01:13:10.479 --> 01:13:12.220
I do this, I'm going to be, everybody's going

01:13:12.220 --> 01:13:15.319
to love me. Yeah. Crazy feeling. Imagine to get

01:13:15.319 --> 01:13:17.970
people, you want to be accepted so badly. Yeah.

01:13:18.170 --> 01:13:21.430
Imagine that. It's going to be accepted. People

01:13:21.430 --> 01:13:24.170
will look at you and all. What kind of mindset

01:13:24.170 --> 01:13:26.090
is that? That's that ego. Won't people just look

01:13:26.090 --> 01:13:29.569
at you? Yeah. You're a sick fuck. You're sick,

01:13:29.770 --> 01:13:32.810
right? You're sick. Why? Won't people look at

01:13:32.810 --> 01:13:37.199
me? Oh, man. Yeah, but it's beautiful that you

01:13:37.199 --> 01:13:38.840
could describe it that way now. Like you've stepped

01:13:38.840 --> 01:13:41.100
outside of it long enough to recognize what it

01:13:41.100 --> 01:13:43.300
was when it was overcoming. I was a sick guy.

01:13:43.300 --> 01:13:44.800
I used to read stories of Alexander the Great,

01:13:44.859 --> 01:13:48.520
how this guy was a god. I said, wow, I want to

01:13:48.520 --> 01:13:51.180
be like that. You know, this is crazy. It's just

01:13:51.180 --> 01:13:53.760
crazy how you can inspire to believe that you're

01:13:53.760 --> 01:13:56.560
more than what you are. Well, it was also those

01:13:56.560 --> 01:13:59.399
feelings of conquering were giving you the first

01:13:59.399 --> 01:14:01.989
success and good feelings of your life. And the

01:14:01.989 --> 01:14:04.010
fact that they programmed you. I mean, that's

01:14:04.010 --> 01:14:05.369
something that I don't think a lot of people

01:14:05.369 --> 01:14:09.550
are aware of. The hypnotism. The hypnotism and

01:14:09.550 --> 01:14:12.050
the putting those thoughts into your mind, which

01:14:12.050 --> 01:14:14.430
were... Hugely beneficial. You could tap into

01:14:14.430 --> 01:14:16.949
that mind zone right before you competed. They

01:14:16.949 --> 01:14:20.010
gave you a clear path. They gave you a clear

01:14:20.010 --> 01:14:23.750
path to use your fury with this very analytical

01:14:23.750 --> 01:14:26.350
approach with perfect boxing technique and an

01:14:26.350 --> 01:14:29.329
amazing mentor with incredible amount of knowledge,

01:14:29.390 --> 01:14:31.710
and they just let you loose. You have to be enthusiastic.

01:14:32.090 --> 01:14:35.930
You have to be enthusiastic. Yeah. Bad intentions.

01:14:35.989 --> 01:14:38.210
Yeah, being bad intention and have enthusiasm

01:14:38.210 --> 01:14:40.390
when you're fighting. You love every minute of

01:14:40.390 --> 01:14:42.989
it. Yeah. Look at you, you're getting fired up

01:14:42.989 --> 01:14:46.710
again. Yeah, because it's crazy. Do you work

01:14:46.710 --> 01:14:48.770
out anymore? Nah, man, I keep away from that

01:14:48.770 --> 01:14:52.109
stuff, man. You don't even like spin class or

01:14:52.109 --> 01:14:55.789
anything? No, all that stuff reactivates my ego.

01:14:56.050 --> 01:14:59.090
Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, wow. I'm going to get ripped

01:14:59.090 --> 01:15:01.710
off if I reactivate it. That's the thing about

01:15:01.710 --> 01:15:06.390
extreme winners. Extreme winners, that ego is

01:15:06.390 --> 01:15:08.130
hard to snuff out. Yeah, if I activate my ego,

01:15:08.210 --> 01:15:10.449
I'm going to lose in life. I'm going to lose.

01:15:10.630 --> 01:15:12.670
I'm losing this cannabis. I'm going to lose everything.

01:15:13.069 --> 01:15:15.069
What if you, like, go jogging? Can you go jogging?

01:15:15.710 --> 01:15:18.550
No. I do my treadmill work and stuff. Oh, okay.

01:15:18.649 --> 01:15:21.210
Treadmill. That's it. But if I start to think

01:15:21.210 --> 01:15:23.329
that I'm special, if I get a glimpse, a glimmer

01:15:23.329 --> 01:15:25.569
of that thing for me, whoa. Yeah. Look at you.

01:15:26.010 --> 01:15:28.029
You're better than them. I saw a video you hit

01:15:28.029 --> 01:15:29.590
in the bag recently. It was, like, a couple years

01:15:29.590 --> 01:15:32.689
ago. Mm -hmm. You still hit the bag? Not anymore,

01:15:32.689 --> 01:15:34.550
no. You still throw some bombs? I do, probably

01:15:34.550 --> 01:15:35.949
for the camera and stuff. Yeah, that's what you

01:15:35.949 --> 01:15:37.430
were doing. But I'm like, damn, you can still

01:15:37.430 --> 01:15:40.140
move. You still have it in you, right? I don't

01:15:40.140 --> 01:15:43.979
know. But it's in your body. I don't know how

01:15:43.979 --> 01:15:45.359
to do that stuff again. Does it feel weird what

01:15:45.359 --> 01:15:47.859
I was going to get to? If you were standing in

01:15:47.859 --> 01:15:49.399
front of that heavy bag and you start rattling

01:15:49.399 --> 01:15:52.260
off combinations, you start thinking, like, oh,

01:15:52.279 --> 01:15:56.180
shit, I'm actually Mike Tyson. Like, I was that

01:15:56.180 --> 01:15:59.260
guy. I am that guy who went through that. I am

01:15:59.260 --> 01:16:01.500
the youngest heavyweight champion of all time.

01:16:01.739 --> 01:16:05.109
I am that guy. That destroyed Tyrell Biggs. I

01:16:05.109 --> 01:16:06.810
am that guy that knocked out Larry Holmes. I'm

01:16:06.810 --> 01:16:10.010
that guy. I look at that guy as somebody that's

01:16:10.010 --> 01:16:12.850
giving me a platform to help me forget about

01:16:12.850 --> 01:16:19.550
that guy. Wow. Yeah. It's beautiful that you

01:16:19.550 --> 01:16:22.369
have that mindset. It is. Because most people

01:16:22.369 --> 01:16:24.640
who've accomplished as much as you have. They

01:16:24.640 --> 01:16:26.579
don't want to ever let the past go. Oh, shit.

01:16:26.619 --> 01:16:30.140
Let that go. Let it go. Let it go. Let it go.

01:16:30.319 --> 01:16:32.859
But do you recognize that? That's a beautiful

01:16:32.859 --> 01:16:35.180
part of your personality. You had one of the

01:16:35.180 --> 01:16:37.479
most successful boxing careers ever, but you

01:16:37.479 --> 01:16:39.579
don't want nothing to do with it. You don't want

01:16:39.579 --> 01:16:42.500
to acknowledge it exists. You wish it went away.

01:16:42.680 --> 01:16:47.140
In order to arrive to that next chapter in life,

01:16:47.239 --> 01:16:49.539
you have to forget the chapter that came before

01:16:49.539 --> 01:16:52.500
you and focus on the chapter ahead of you. Yes.

01:16:52.579 --> 01:16:56.300
Yes. That's a great lesson. And coming from you,

01:16:56.439 --> 01:16:58.680
that lesson, I think, is going to hit home with

01:16:58.680 --> 01:17:01.319
a lot of people. You think so? Yes, 100%. 100%.

01:17:01.319 --> 01:17:03.899
Because you accomplished so much. Because you

01:17:03.899 --> 01:17:05.000
were the youngest heavyweight champion of all

01:17:05.000 --> 01:17:06.579
time. Because you're the baddest man on the planet.

01:17:06.640 --> 01:17:08.560
This big hero for a lot of people like me when

01:17:08.560 --> 01:17:11.739
I was growing up. To see you now say... That's

01:17:11.739 --> 01:17:15.380
then. I'm done. Nothing. I don't watch it. I

01:17:15.380 --> 01:17:17.720
don't work out. I'm not even a part of that anymore.

01:17:17.939 --> 01:17:19.439
I'm concentrating on my life right now, and I'm

01:17:19.439 --> 01:17:21.539
happy, and I love people. You know, Joe, that's

01:17:21.539 --> 01:17:23.220
really crazy. But when you think about this,

01:17:23.279 --> 01:17:25.220
listen. You know, being that person, that guy,

01:17:25.340 --> 01:17:27.140
that sent me to psych ward a couple of times.

01:17:27.260 --> 01:17:29.220
That sent me to so many other places. The prison.

01:17:29.619 --> 01:17:32.680
Wow, that sent me places. That guy is a trip.

01:17:32.979 --> 01:17:35.340
Yeah. That's a trip. That guy had you in underwear

01:17:35.340 --> 01:17:37.739
holding a tiger on a chain. Yeah, that's a trip,

01:17:37.760 --> 01:17:41.539
man. What did you go to the psych ward for? It's

01:17:41.539 --> 01:17:45.300
been crazy violent. Probably thought about hurting

01:17:45.300 --> 01:17:47.880
myself or something crazy like that. What do

01:17:47.880 --> 01:17:49.159
they do when they take you in the psych ward?

01:17:49.260 --> 01:17:51.720
How do they treat you? I don't know. It's the

01:17:51.720 --> 01:17:53.720
same way everybody treats me. This is Mike and

01:17:53.720 --> 01:17:55.079
stuff. No, but I mean, how do they take care

01:17:55.079 --> 01:17:57.279
of you? What do they do for you? I mean, how

01:17:57.279 --> 01:17:59.180
do they take Mike Tyson and calm him down? Just

01:17:59.180 --> 01:18:01.340
give you some fucking pills and some Thorzines

01:18:01.340 --> 01:18:04.819
or something. Zone you out. Be like a zombie.

01:18:04.920 --> 01:18:08.960
You're in a zombie swag event. Yeah. Yeah, that

01:18:08.960 --> 01:18:11.189
is what they do, huh? Yeah. Just calm you down

01:18:11.189 --> 01:18:14.609
medically, pharmaceutically. It's a zombie. You're

01:18:14.609 --> 01:18:16.090
like a zombie. It's looking at television. You

01:18:16.090 --> 01:18:17.789
don't know what's going on. Well, you know what's

01:18:17.789 --> 01:18:20.850
going on, but you can't react to it. Jesus. And

01:18:20.850 --> 01:18:22.630
then once they got you calmed down enough, they

01:18:22.630 --> 01:18:25.090
go, all right, you can go. I don't know. I don't

01:18:25.090 --> 01:18:26.810
think I ever get calmed down enough. I think

01:18:26.810 --> 01:18:30.770
it was time for me to go, and I had to go. What

01:18:30.770 --> 01:18:32.989
is a day in the life of Mike Tyson like now?

01:18:33.109 --> 01:18:35.189
What is a typical day for you? I get up in the

01:18:35.189 --> 01:18:38.439
morning, I go to my office. I'm a cannabis office.

01:18:38.600 --> 01:18:43.479
We do deals and we get investments. And I come

01:18:43.479 --> 01:18:45.380
home at 5 o 'clock and I go see my kids unless

01:18:45.380 --> 01:18:47.220
I stay at the office later. And I come home and

01:18:47.220 --> 01:18:50.640
I hang out with my wife and my kids. It's a really

01:18:50.640 --> 01:18:53.420
bizarre life. We stay in Newport Beach now. Oh,

01:18:53.439 --> 01:18:56.670
that's nice. It's very nice. It's very upscale,

01:18:56.710 --> 01:18:59.689
but it's very quiet, too. Not like Las Vegas

01:18:59.689 --> 01:19:03.210
at all. No. My daughter plays tennis up there,

01:19:03.229 --> 01:19:05.630
so we're pretty much situated up there. It's

01:19:05.630 --> 01:19:07.229
not like I said, baby, can't we move to Hollywood?

01:19:07.470 --> 01:19:08.829
She said, no, we can't go to Beverly Hills. No,

01:19:08.909 --> 01:19:11.850
because all of our tennis requirements are here

01:19:11.850 --> 01:19:14.109
in Newport Beach, so we stay here. Newport's

01:19:14.109 --> 01:19:16.149
nice, though. It's a good place. It's near the

01:19:16.149 --> 01:19:17.649
ocean. It's got clean air. Yeah, we see the ocean.

01:19:18.670 --> 01:19:22.170
It's just different for me. I bet. It's different.

01:19:22.390 --> 01:19:24.189
Yeah. Did you like living in Vegas, though? I

01:19:24.189 --> 01:19:26.390
love Vegas. It was always crazy and everything.

01:19:26.569 --> 01:19:28.909
The fight did bring great parties, though. You

01:19:28.909 --> 01:19:30.670
could always go to some great parties. That was

01:19:30.670 --> 01:19:34.729
always great. So you've settled into this business

01:19:34.729 --> 01:19:36.989
life, it seems like, pretty easily. You seem

01:19:36.989 --> 01:19:38.430
to be enjoying yourself. Hey, it's something

01:19:38.430 --> 01:19:44.029
that I want to do, and it's a fresh start. You

01:19:44.029 --> 01:19:46.250
know what I mean? Yeah. Since doing the total,

01:19:46.409 --> 01:19:48.770
you know what I mean, my main objective and everything

01:19:48.770 --> 01:19:52.510
I've been embarking on and been involving myself

01:19:52.510 --> 01:19:55.029
with, it's all been because of a fresh start.

01:19:55.050 --> 01:19:57.430
I feel fresh. I feel new. I feel that nothing

01:19:57.430 --> 01:19:59.350
can stop me, nothing can be in my way, and it's

01:19:59.350 --> 01:20:01.930
just an awesome feeling. So this is from doing

01:20:01.930 --> 01:20:04.449
that one DMT experience just sent you into this.

01:20:04.449 --> 01:20:07.189
Well, I did it one time, but I did it many times

01:20:07.189 --> 01:20:09.609
that day. Right. You know, but, yeah, this really,

01:20:09.710 --> 01:20:13.050
I don't know what it is. I'm trying to figure

01:20:13.050 --> 01:20:15.350
it out. But I've changed, but I just don't figure,

01:20:15.449 --> 01:20:19.789
I just don't know how. Yeah. I describe it for

01:20:19.789 --> 01:20:21.609
a lot of people, it's like resetting a computer.

01:20:22.250 --> 01:20:24.390
You reset a computer, you got a fresh new desktop.

01:20:24.710 --> 01:20:26.750
And there's only one folder on the desktop. And

01:20:26.750 --> 01:20:30.489
that folder says, my old bullshit. Listen, stop.

01:20:30.850 --> 01:20:33.270
I'm saying to myself right now, sometimes I'm

01:20:33.270 --> 01:20:35.210
wondering, this new feeling that I'm possessing

01:20:35.210 --> 01:20:37.569
right now, is it a real feeling? Does this stuff

01:20:37.569 --> 01:20:40.310
really help? Or am I lying to myself again? Until

01:20:40.310 --> 01:20:42.090
the next moment, that next feeling come to do

01:20:42.090 --> 01:20:44.510
some drugs or to be with somebody else. What's

01:20:44.510 --> 01:20:46.210
really going on? Is that feeling going to come

01:20:46.210 --> 01:20:48.170
back? Because at this moment, does that feeling

01:20:48.170 --> 01:20:51.369
feel like it's never coming back? It can never

01:20:51.369 --> 01:20:53.010
come back if you decide that it's never coming

01:20:53.010 --> 01:20:55.149
back. But you have to make that decision pretty

01:20:55.149 --> 01:20:58.489
much every day. But you can never come back if

01:20:58.489 --> 01:21:00.829
you want. Or you could slip into the old ways.

01:21:00.869 --> 01:21:02.949
That's what a lot of people do. When a lot of

01:21:02.949 --> 01:21:06.170
people fall into drug addiction, relapsing, when

01:21:06.170 --> 01:21:07.909
they relapse, they're not physically addicted

01:21:07.909 --> 01:21:09.810
when they relapse. Obviously, they're clean.

01:21:09.970 --> 01:21:12.029
And then they decide to go back in. It's because

01:21:12.029 --> 01:21:14.810
there's comfort in those old patterns. Because

01:21:14.810 --> 01:21:17.069
this new way of life is just they get anxiety.

01:21:17.449 --> 01:21:19.689
They feel like it's a lot of pressure to stay

01:21:19.689 --> 01:21:22.390
clean. Oh, so explain it. I hate that. I always

01:21:22.390 --> 01:21:24.850
hated that. Oh, wait, I never wanted to do drugs.

01:21:24.890 --> 01:21:27.050
But then I do them again. I never wanted to.

01:21:27.050 --> 01:21:33.130
I hate it. Oh, no, no. Yeah. What the hell? No,

01:21:33.270 --> 01:21:34.989
come on. You understand what I'm saying? No,

01:21:34.989 --> 01:21:37.210
I don't want. Yeah. Fuck, I don't want that.

01:21:37.449 --> 01:21:39.689
And then once you do that, then you're going

01:21:39.689 --> 01:21:42.329
all out now. You got the liquor there, the girls.

01:21:42.449 --> 01:21:46.130
Oh, man. This is just a dark, dark, vicious cycle.

01:21:46.229 --> 01:21:48.390
It's real dark. Yeah. It's self -destructive.

01:21:48.550 --> 01:21:52.390
Yeah. It's all about. Ego -inflating and self

01:21:52.390 --> 01:21:56.149
-deprecating, self -destruction. It also alleviates

01:21:56.149 --> 01:22:00.210
you from the responsibility of improving. 100%.

01:22:00.210 --> 01:22:02.789
That pressure of keeping it together, staying

01:22:02.789 --> 01:22:06.489
sober, being disciplined, all that stuff. Once

01:22:06.489 --> 01:22:08.449
it's gone, it's gone. Like, ah, I'm just fucking

01:22:08.449 --> 01:22:10.310
crazy. I'm crazy. This is just what I do. I'm

01:22:10.310 --> 01:22:12.550
crazy. And it's easy to fall into that trap,

01:22:12.710 --> 01:22:14.170
and that's what happens to a lot of people who

01:22:14.170 --> 01:22:16.970
relapse with drugs. I never want to go back to

01:22:16.970 --> 01:22:20.300
that again. That's just a no -win situation.

01:22:20.760 --> 01:22:23.279
That's one of the great things about marijuana

01:22:23.279 --> 01:22:25.640
that people don't understand. They think that

01:22:25.640 --> 01:22:27.920
a drug is a drug is a drug. They're all falling

01:22:27.920 --> 01:22:30.979
under the same category. But you can use marijuana

01:22:30.979 --> 01:22:35.279
and just be peaceful and not chaotic. And the

01:22:35.279 --> 01:22:37.619
opposite, it'll make you think more about the

01:22:37.619 --> 01:22:41.159
consequences of ruining your life. Can I say

01:22:41.159 --> 01:22:47.310
something ridiculous? I got a foot in Detroit,

01:22:47.689 --> 01:22:53.289
Michigan one time for Andrew Gulotta. I got tested.

01:22:53.449 --> 01:22:56.670
I tested for marijuana. They charged me $300

01:22:56.670 --> 01:23:02.670
,000. Jesus Christ. Finally, $300 ,000. That's

01:23:02.670 --> 01:23:04.390
a lot of money. Where'd that money go? Who took

01:23:04.390 --> 01:23:07.890
it? The commission. They broke it up. Yeah. They

01:23:07.890 --> 01:23:09.369
charged it up and went and did coke with it.

01:23:09.970 --> 01:23:13.140
That's what they did. Yeah, that's crazy. $300

01:23:13.140 --> 01:23:18.460
,000 for some weed in your system. Now you're

01:23:18.460 --> 01:23:22.079
selling it legally. Yeah, and this is just a

01:23:22.079 --> 01:23:24.479
bizarre situation. I'm just going with this bizarre

01:23:24.479 --> 01:23:26.979
world and see what happens. It's beautiful, man.

01:23:27.119 --> 01:23:28.760
I never thought you could do this, sell marijuana.

01:23:28.819 --> 01:23:30.439
I never thought I'd be in that business. I know.

01:23:30.539 --> 01:23:32.899
At this stage in my life when it came at the

01:23:32.899 --> 01:23:35.819
right particular time. I saw it online. I saw

01:23:35.819 --> 01:23:37.779
Tyson Ranch online. I saw something on Instagram

01:23:37.779 --> 01:23:39.640
or something. And I was like, that makes sense.

01:23:39.939 --> 01:23:43.069
Yeah. Yeah. Why not, man? In this day and age.

01:23:43.130 --> 01:23:45.250
I mean, look, everybody loves you. Why not? Why

01:23:45.250 --> 01:23:47.229
not go into business? People never dreamt of

01:23:47.229 --> 01:23:49.109
it. It's just a no brainer. People are going

01:23:49.109 --> 01:23:50.350
to want to buy your weed just because they love

01:23:50.350 --> 01:23:52.989
you. I want to distribute all over the world,

01:23:53.029 --> 01:23:55.949
too. That's where it gets sketchy. Yeah. There's

01:23:55.949 --> 01:23:58.069
some spots in Asia you don't want to bring weed

01:23:58.069 --> 01:24:01.109
to. No. Singapore, you can get killed. Oh, yeah.

01:24:01.130 --> 01:24:03.090
No, but that's some parts of the world that they

01:24:03.090 --> 01:24:06.380
accept it. Yeah. I went to Europe to buy weed

01:24:06.380 --> 01:24:09.659
before, and they were selling the plant. They

01:24:09.659 --> 01:24:11.039
weren't selling the butt. They were selling the

01:24:11.039 --> 01:24:12.380
plant. You had to buy the plant and wait until

01:24:12.380 --> 01:24:14.819
the plant developed and make butts and all that

01:24:14.819 --> 01:24:17.739
stuff. Wow. Selling the plant. I said, what's

01:24:17.739 --> 01:24:20.100
that purpose? They wanted you to grow your own.

01:24:20.220 --> 01:24:23.199
Yeah. That's the only way. So you were working

01:24:23.199 --> 01:24:25.140
with a bunch of different growers. Explain how

01:24:25.140 --> 01:24:28.319
you guys are setting it up. The whole thing,

01:24:28.380 --> 01:24:30.159
we're working with other growers, but my main

01:24:30.159 --> 01:24:32.300
objective is to be distributors all over the

01:24:32.300 --> 01:24:36.640
country. And also the ranch where you have like

01:24:36.640 --> 01:24:39.399
a destination. That's going to be our resort.

01:24:39.420 --> 01:24:41.859
And that's where people are going to come. It's

01:24:41.859 --> 01:24:44.800
going to be like, what's that big concert thing?

01:24:44.880 --> 01:24:47.279
We're going to have our own concerts there. I

01:24:47.279 --> 01:24:48.680
forget the name of it. Coachella. Coachella.

01:24:48.899 --> 01:24:53.439
Coachella. It's going to be something to that

01:24:53.439 --> 01:24:55.939
effect. Oh, that's awesome. So you're going to

01:24:55.939 --> 01:24:58.020
do shows down there too? Absolutely, yeah. We're

01:24:58.020 --> 01:24:59.319
going to do them again. We're going to do our

01:24:59.319 --> 01:25:01.880
first show. When? Miguel is going to be our first

01:25:01.880 --> 01:25:04.699
show in February. Oh, wow. Oh, that's amazing.

01:25:05.680 --> 01:25:08.920
That's beautiful. But listen, man, I'm very happy

01:25:08.920 --> 01:25:11.739
for you. I'm happy to see this. I'm happy to

01:25:11.739 --> 01:25:13.640
see this transition in you. I'm happy to hear

01:25:13.640 --> 01:25:17.859
about your experiences. And good luck, man. You

01:25:17.859 --> 01:25:19.420
need to come by because I'm going to be presenting

01:25:19.420 --> 01:25:24.939
at the Podcast Award. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's

01:25:24.939 --> 01:25:26.060
coming up soon, isn't it? Yeah, are you going

01:25:26.060 --> 01:25:27.680
to be there? No, I'm not going to be there. When

01:25:27.680 --> 01:25:32.260
is that? Beat the hell out of me. They'll tell

01:25:32.260 --> 01:25:35.939
me. Yeah. Do you know when that is, Jeremy? Somebody

01:25:35.939 --> 01:25:37.680
sent it to me. I'm busy that night, unfortunately.

01:25:38.560 --> 01:25:40.760
Yeah. So you have a podcast, too. Tell people

01:25:40.760 --> 01:25:43.939
about that. Yeah. It's called Hot Boxin'. Hot

01:25:43.939 --> 01:25:47.279
Boxin'. Yeah. Get it? Yeah, big time. Hot Box.

01:25:47.739 --> 01:25:51.199
Weed. Get it? Boxing. Yeah, exactly. And we smoke

01:25:51.199 --> 01:25:54.699
on our show, and we're having a good time. Yeah,

01:25:54.739 --> 01:25:57.060
and you had Dale Earnhardt Jr. on? Yeah, he's

01:25:57.060 --> 01:25:58.880
an awesome guy. He's a great guy. Yeah, he's

01:25:58.880 --> 01:26:00.899
awesome. Did you get high with him? No, no, I

01:26:00.899 --> 01:26:02.619
don't believe I did. No, I don't think he smoked.

01:26:02.960 --> 01:26:05.159
No, I don't think he does either. He's such a

01:26:05.159 --> 01:26:07.359
clean -cut guy. He's a super nice guy. Almost

01:26:07.359 --> 01:26:10.020
too nice. You're like, are you real? Father was

01:26:10.020 --> 01:26:13.060
a tough guy. Yeah. His father was a savage. Yeah.

01:26:13.359 --> 01:26:18.460
Yeah. So tell people Tyson Branch. Tell people

01:26:18.460 --> 01:26:20.359
how they can find more information. Well, you

01:26:20.359 --> 01:26:24.399
can look up Tyson Ranch. Is it TysonRanch .com?

01:26:24.909 --> 01:26:28.130
Yeah. Okay. TysonRanch .com. And you don't fuck

01:26:28.130 --> 01:26:29.810
with any social media, huh? You don't mess with

01:26:29.810 --> 01:26:31.829
that. I have people do that, but they tell me,

01:26:31.829 --> 01:26:33.310
take a picture with this guy for you, get some

01:26:33.310 --> 01:26:37.470
likes or something. I feel like I'm in third

01:26:37.470 --> 01:26:39.630
grade or something, getting friends, trying to

01:26:39.630 --> 01:26:41.289
make friends. I don't know what the hell I'm

01:26:41.289 --> 01:26:43.550
doing. I feel like a smuck, man. It is ridiculous.

01:26:43.729 --> 01:26:46.890
I feel like a smuck. That's it. Tyson Ranch official

01:26:46.890 --> 01:26:48.510
on Instagram. Look, Damien, I'm on the book,

01:26:48.590 --> 01:26:52.479
Dope Magazine. There you go. Damn. Well, listen,

01:26:52.520 --> 01:26:53.739
brother, thank you very much for being here,

01:26:53.800 --> 01:26:55.539
man. I really appreciate it. Pleasure being here,

01:26:55.619 --> 01:26:57.420
man. I wanted to come to the show so much earlier,

01:26:57.579 --> 01:26:59.140
but we just couldn't make it happen. We'll do

01:26:59.140 --> 01:27:01.479
it again. We'll do it again. And let me know

01:27:01.479 --> 01:27:03.079
when everything opens up. We'll be happy to promote

01:27:03.079 --> 01:27:05.060
it for you, let everybody know. And anytime you

01:27:05.060 --> 01:27:06.539
got something coming on, you want people to know

01:27:06.539 --> 01:27:08.640
about it, let me know. Thank you very much. Thank

01:27:08.640 --> 01:27:10.680
you. Appreciate it, brother. Thank you very much.

01:27:10.840 --> 01:27:15.699
Mike Tyson, motherfuckers. All day. Woo! That

01:27:15.699 --> 01:27:16.819
was cool. That was awesome.