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"Welcome to this curated educational transcript of the Joe Rogan Experience. In this session, we provide a deep-dive examination of the critical perspectives and historical dialogues presented in Episode #1532. Our mission is to offer a high-fidelity, searchable research resource for students of cultural history, emerging technology, and global discourse. This transcript has been specifically optimized for academic reference, linguistic study, and archival preservation regarding Entheogenic Research, Athletic Longevity, and Consciousness Exploration."
Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan

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Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by

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night, all day. So a friend of mine, he's a giant

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boxing fan, he sends me this text message. He

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goes, dude, check this shit out. And it's you

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training with Rafael Cordero. And I remember

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looking at it and going, oh shit, what happened?

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What happened? Because the last time you were

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in here, you were talking about how you didn't

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want to work out. Yeah. Because it would ignite

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the ego. Hey, let's talk about that too. I was

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discussing with my wife something about me being

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overweight. You know, when you have to sometimes

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want to complain to your wife, you want to take

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it out on her in some kind of perspective. And

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she said, well, why don't you just get on this

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treadmill for 15 minutes a day? I said, ah, she

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said, just 15 minutes. So it went from 15 minutes

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a day to two hours a day. That's what you were

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worried about. Yeah, exactly. But I was complaining

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about my weight. I don't know. I guess I tried

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on some clothes, and it was disastrous. And so

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I was worried about my weight, and she told me

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the 15 -minute route, and it went two hours a

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day. And I just started losing weight, and then

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somebody came. My brother -in -law said, hey,

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Mike, man, I know you're not going to win, but

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somebody said, would you fight this guy for like

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$40 million or $30 million? I said, man, get

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the fuck. I said, whoa. I said, oh, that's not

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the thing. I was just going to say, get the fuck.

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I said, whoa. And I said, well, who would they

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like me to fight? And he said, one minute. And

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then it's Bob Sapp. I said, okay. And so I'm

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saying to myself, well, I know Bob. And I said,

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and who? Because I know Bob is big and strong.

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I said, who? One minute. How would they like

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me to fight him? Can I fight him under the Marcus

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of Queensberry rule? And he said, one minute,

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Mike. He asked the guy. The guy said, yes. I

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said, I'll fight him. Right? So it was Bob Sapp

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was the first one that was brought up. Yeah.

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So for people who don't know Bob Sapp, Bob Sapp

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was a giant fighter in pride. At one time, he

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was like 375 pounds. He was fighting all the

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kickboxers. Solid muscle. With abs. It's incredible,

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right? And it went from him to somebody else,

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and another guy, and MMA, then this guy, and

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then somehow, no, some other fighters, Vander,

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then it went from, who else? It was another heavyweight

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champion. It was just a bunch of guys up here

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in a fight, and next thing you know. It came

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down to Roy. And I'm like, I don't know what

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the hell's going on. And then he signed the contract.

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I signed the contract. Next thing you know, I'm

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in the gym again, and it's disastrous. I'm trying

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to get in the shape. I'm saying, did I really

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do this shit? You know, you would probably know,

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because if you're getting in shape and getting

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conditioned, they're two different animals. They

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don't even belong in the same workout. The vision

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of working out. Getting in shape is just being

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kind of fit. Getting in shape is able to fit

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your clothes. That's getting in shape. Being

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able just to fit your clothes. Being in condition

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is being able to come outside of your soul. You

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can't do that automatically. You're talking about

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being in fighting condition. That's a rare state

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and you can't keep it for very long. No, it is

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just... People need to understand that, right?

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The emotional state to prepare for that is awful.

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Ooh, mind -boggling. Well, that's what I was

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seeing when I was seeing you hit the pads. I'm

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like, this isn't just working out. There was

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something going on, man. When you were working

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out with Cordero and you were ripping to the

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body and throwing those hooks, I was like, this

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is a man who's preparing to go to combat. This

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is not normal, getting ready to work out shit.

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That's why when I saw that video, I was like,

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oh. Want me to tell you something about that

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video? Yeah. I did that video and I was in bed

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for a week. That was 30 seconds and I was in

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bed for a week. And it's not funny because...

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It made me realize that this is big boy shit,

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okay? Big boy shit. This is big boy shit. There

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it is right there. That wasn't really cool. That's

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in the gym. That's now. The thing is, though.

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That's now. That's now. That's going for five

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and six rounds. That's now. But I'm talking about

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before that 30 seconds. The first time I ever

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did it, I caught. What's the shit you kill when

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you can't walk? Oh, sciatica. Sciatica, everything

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came. All that shit that came back that made

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me quit boxing, all the pain started coming back.

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So when you started training again, did you start

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doing it slowly after that? Extremely slowly.

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And then I started dabbing in alternative stuff.

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Like what kind of stuff? Pryotherapy type shit.

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cryo um stem cell research and therapy and some

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other interesting stuff that i just don't know

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and it's just beautiful stuff like what kind

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of stuff i don't know hyperbaric chambers and

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just everything everything everything to help

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you recover it's really interesting It is. Well,

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I saw you when you walked in today. I was like,

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God damn, you look good. You look good, dude.

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Like, your muscles look good. You look like you're

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vascular. You look fit. And I'm starting to feel

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fit. That's what's interesting. I know what they

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do. Like, I think I'm in shape, and then the

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next thing you know. You think you're in shape,

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and then you start having, like, Ralphie will

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start throwing punches at me. It's like a fight,

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and I can't punch back. I got to avoid. And then

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two rounds go by, and you say, whoa, I'm not

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in shape. I'm hitting the bag six rounds. I'm

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doing three or five rounds, six rounds. I'm jumping

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rope. And then I do two rounds with somebody.

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It's a whole different psychological preparation.

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And whoo! How much time has gone since you first

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started exercising? Like, when did it start?

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So here we are with, like, August 23rd or something

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like that? 22nd. 22nd? All right. When did it

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start? It had to start something like April.

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April. March, something like that. In the middle

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of the lockdown. Yeah. So you just started just

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training. And now here you are five months later,

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four months later. How far away do you think

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you are to being in, like, fighting shape? Oh,

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Fighting Ship, when the time comes, like by November

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28th, yeah. That's when you'll be ready. Exactly.

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Now, why did you guys decide to move? You were

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supposed to be in September, right? I believe

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it was a viewing situation at the proper timing

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for more people. For audiences, yeah. I believe

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it was something of that nature. It's so exciting.

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It's going to be awesome because it's going to

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be me and everyone else that's involved, Eros

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and everyone. and we're going to start off the

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Legends Only League, and that's going to be really

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breathtaking, especially starting off with me

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and Roy. Yeah. And I'm looking forward to that

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because we're going to have athletes from every

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genre. It's an array of everybody who believes

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in someone. They're all going to come back in

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all fields. And this is going to be something

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that me and Eros Intervention created together.

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And I think this is going to be pretty awesome.

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So Legends Only League will be like all sports,

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baseball, basketball, everything. Everything,

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yeah. Tennis. Imagine something crazy like we

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did with Billie Jean King to have somebody, yes,

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say, one of the arenas, somebody play mack and

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roll and that kind of stuff. Right. Exhibitions

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and stuff like that. Somebody like... A man of

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war can play one -on -one with whoever, Iverson

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or somebody. I mean, men of peace. Men of war

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is the horse. Men of world peace. Yeah. No, it's

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an amazing idea, but particularly for you. Like

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seeing you hit the bag again and seeing you hit

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the pads and get excited about it was very, very

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interesting to me because I knew that you had

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that thing in your head where you didn't want

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to ignite your ego, and then you had this quote

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that the gods of war reignited your ego. I read

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that. I got so excited. Well, that's the excuse

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I can use. That's a really great excuse that

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I can use. But it was a great quote. It made

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me excited. And when I'm seeing you training,

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I mean, you know, there's some people that, you

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know, everybody has opinions when something like

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this happens. When a man is 53 now, you're 54?

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Yeah, 54. And decides to fight again. As fit

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as you look, like, why not? Why not? Why not?

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You can do whatever you want. Why can't? I mean,

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if you can go bungee jumping and ride a bull.

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Exactly. Listen, impossible is nothing to somebody

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that tries. Everything that someone said was

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impossible. It's happened. Yeah. It certainly,

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well, listen, in 2020, with all the ways of recovering,

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all the things we know, the science. Our limitations

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create impossible. Well, it's different now.

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Limitations are different now. Exactly. So when

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you, like that video when you were ripping the

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pads and working out with Rafael Cordero, how

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many, like how long into that was that? Like

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how quickly did you get your speed back? Was

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it right away? Was it right there? That was our

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first day. That was your first day? That was

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our first day. Let's try this out. That was our

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first day. Wow. And after that day, I was in

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the bed. I had to come get the guy to do the

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fucking shots and electrocute me to get me back.

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I had the sciatica hit me. I couldn't walk. I

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was crying to my wife. And I was like, wow. And

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I don't know why. After that, I should have said,

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this is over. I'm not going to do it. But that

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ego stuff said, hey, come on, please. Do you

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feel like you felt in the old days? like when

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i mean in terms of your mind like the enthusiasm

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about this enthusiasm yes um sometimes um i feel

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i say this is bush i can't be feeling this good

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you know and then um I don't know. I think I

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really am. I'm feeling good. I know the bag is

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a bigger bag, 200 pounds. I said, well, this

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bag wouldn't be moving like this if I'm not hitting

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it kind of decently. No, you look good. I've

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seen guys come back, and you see them working

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out, and it looks sad, and it doesn't look good.

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What's exciting about you coming back is how

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good you look training. Why not? In this day

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and age? But being a real fighter, this is what

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you know. You see so many people that's in the

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gym. Matter of fact, I've boxed people in the

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gym that kick my ass every day. But then know

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what's different? When you get them in the ring

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and there's a light on them and people are eating

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popcorn and drinking beer and they freak out.

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So true. Yeah, the pressure. You're Mike Tyson.

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Exactly. You understand that. Yeah, I know. If

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anybody knows how to deal with that pressure,

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it's you. Absolutely. But, you know, it's good.

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But if you don't have the doubt, you're going

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to have a lot of trouble. Right. You have to

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have that doubt. Right. You have to have a little

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bit of that. Now, this is this new phase of your

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life where all of a sudden you reignited and

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you want to compete again. This has got to be

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fun. It is fun. Yeah, it is fun. I do say it's

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fun, but it's still fun. It's apprehensive stuff.

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It's apprehensive, but it's still, like you said,

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it's fun. But it seems so exciting to watch you

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train and get ready. To me, I'm like, fuck yeah.

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What do you want a man to do? What do you want

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a man to do? Just sit around, do nothing, just

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wait, go for walks? Do whatever the fuck you

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want. And if you could still do this the way

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you're doing it, why not? Hey, um... I don't

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understand it either, but I want to do it. I

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don't understand. I just want to do it, and I

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feel like I was born to do this stuff. Well,

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you certainly were at one point in time in your

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life, but you had moved on to a different chapter

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of your life. You had completely stopped doing

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that. You were doing the Tyson Ranch thing, smoking

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a lot of weed. Have you stopped smoking weed

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totally? Pretty much, yeah. Pretty much stopped?

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Yeah, just going to stop. Wow. Wow, that's a

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big change right away. But when you do something

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like this, it's all about change. Listen, you

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can't continue being a comedian if you're not

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sharpening your psyche. Even when you're doing

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it right here, you're practicing your comedian

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act. You have to continue to practice. The more

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you practice it, say if you practice it every

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four years, you'll be better if you only practice

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it for a month. So the more you do it, the better

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you become. Do you feel like that now? in this

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comeback that like you are only sort of scratching

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your potential because like you're just getting

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back into shape again a year from now you'll

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be even better shape and you'll be more conditioned

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to do what you want to do like you're you're

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willing yeah yeah you're in this rebuilding stage

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now And now that's exciting. Yeah. When you go

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to your doctor, these people who have this alternative

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stuff, and you see the development, you see the

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healing process, and you say, come on, tell me

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this. Why is this happening to me? Why a guy

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like me who just got off drugs, who just gave

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up his life and don't care about nothing, this

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is happening to him? Since I married my wife,

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all this good stuff started happening. I'm saying,

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wow, what is this stuff all about? Whatever it's

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all about, it's good. I'm like, take your money.

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That's what I said. I said, take my money. I

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want to watch it. Let's see it. And it's not

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about money because the money's going to be in

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charity. And it's just about doing something

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good. And from that perspective, I used to like

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feeling like I'm doing something good for somebody

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more than myself. That's a beautiful part of

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it, yeah, that it is going to go to charity.

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But it's also an exciting matchup. And I'm watching

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Roy work out too, and Roy looks fantastic. Roy's

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going to always look fantastic. If he was 100

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pounds overweight, he's going to look good. He

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just really looks good when he does this stuff.

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Roy Jones Jr. I mean, that's one of the things

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that makes this fight so exciting. is that, you

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know, Roy is, like yourself, one of the all -time

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greats and still looks physically fantastic.

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Like, you see him moving around and hitting the

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pads. His hand speed looks great. And you can't

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train with anybody that looks like him to do

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that stuff. Well, he always had such an unusual

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style, you know, with very few jabs. He would

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throw left hooks instead of jabs. You know, I

00:14:20.929 --> 00:14:23.129
mean, Roy always had, like, one of the strangest

00:14:23.129 --> 00:14:25.169
styles in all of boxing. Well, it was strange,

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but it was very effective. Super effective, yeah.

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Very effective. Just incredibly hard to prepare

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for, too, Try to find someone who... No one's

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going to do that. No one can emulate him in the

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gym. Now, when you decided on a fight and decided

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upon... I heard that someone had offered you

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Shannon the Cannon Briggs for bare -knuckle boxing.

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No, no, it was just Tyson Fury. It was Tyson

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Fury and quite other guys, but certain things

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just happened, and it didn't happen. It was Holyfield,

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it was Shannon, it was some other guys from MMA,

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and then before he turned out to be the right

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guy, I guess we did a survey. Roy popped up the

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winner. Well, certainly a giant name. On top

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of Holyfield, one of that. Yeah, Holyfield would

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be a great one, too. But just having a guy like

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that that has that big name, that is also an

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all -time great, and that also wants to do it,

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too, and to get the public excited. I mean, I

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think it's a perfect fight to get the public

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excited. So do you think that once you fight

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Roy that that'll be it? Or do you think this

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is just going to be the beginning of this new

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chapter in your life? I believe this is just

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going to be the beginning. Whatever happens,

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happens. This is pretty interesting. Being out

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here talking to you and knowing that the extent

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of the wavelength of people that are going to

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hear this stuff is pretty interesting because

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now this is true. It's really going to no longer

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in my head. I'm stroking it. It's real. It's

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like, wow. Yeah, it's wow. Yeah, I can't wait,

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man. I want to be there. I want to see it. Hey.

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Down the street here. I'll come back. I forgot

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the name of it. The Dignity Center. That's where

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it's going to be? Yeah. And is it going to be

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an audience? It can't be an audience yet, right?

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I don't believe audience. I believe only, I don't

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know, what am I going to say? Entourage? Right.

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Small amount of people. Family fight group. And

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this is going to be eight rounds? I believe so,

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yeah. So how did you arrive on eight rounds?

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Hey, listen. Beat the hell out of me. I wanted

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to do the exhibition. I wanted to help the people.

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I said, why do I got to eat fucking rounds? But

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now I'm getting in condition and we're going

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to do this stuff. Wow. Eight rounds gives you

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enough time to work. Gives people enough time

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to get excited about it. When you think about

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an eight round fight, do you see yourself moving

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into 10 rounds and 12 rounds in the future? We

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don't know what the future holds, but we're looking

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forward to just having fun and doing it for a

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purpose or reason. Because people were talking

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about you literally fighting for the title again.

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Hey, I'm not interested in it. I'm just interested

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in fighting for the title of giving. Okay. Okay.

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So just doing this for good. Yes. So exciting

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for you, but also generates a lot of positivity.

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Exactly. Yeah. I love that. It feels soul -cleaning

00:17:16.059 --> 00:17:18.460
for some reason. Because you're giving away charity,

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that you're doing something good? Me doing it

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for myself, it just doesn't do it for me no more.

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Right. That makes sense. It doesn't do it. Yeah,

00:17:27.009 --> 00:17:29.490
that makes sense. So it's both things. So you

00:17:29.490 --> 00:17:31.890
get to excite yourself, challenge yourself, but

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the good is all going to an excellent cause.

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For I won't have in my mind, oh, I'm getting

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paid. I just don't want to never have that in

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my mind again. Yeah. I just never want to have,

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oh, I'm getting something for what I'm doing.

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kind of yeah somebody said and this was kind

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of hilarious someone said hey i heard that they're

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just gonna just mess around and that they're

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not gonna go for the knockout i go do you know

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who the fuck you're talking about i go you're

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talking about mike tyson and roy jones jr do

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you really believe that that two of the all -time

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greats, once they start throwing hands, that

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it won't get crazy? Well, of course it is, because

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both of us are who we are, and we're going to

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show our skills, and nobody's going to look stupid,

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and it's just going to be interesting, I think.

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Yeah. Do you have any other people in mind? Like,

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do you have a game plan in mind, like, after

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Roy, or are you just thinking only about Roy

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right now? At this moment, only Roy, but it's

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just some interesting people that we have that

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I'm going to announce later. Now, there was some

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talk of you and Roy way back in the day when

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Roy fought John Ruiz and won the heavyweight

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title. Yes, yes. Yeah. So what did you think

00:18:34.210 --> 00:18:36.289
about that fight back then? I thought it was

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really interesting because I couldn't use the

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money back then. Me and Roy talked. We were in

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Texas, and we went to Houston. We went to Houston,

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we talked, and after we talked, we just went

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out and chilled out. But it was interesting.

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It never happened. I don't know what happened

00:18:52.890 --> 00:18:54.470
to me. Something must have happened to me, and

00:18:54.470 --> 00:18:56.950
it just didn't happen. That's one of those things,

00:18:57.009 --> 00:18:58.910
right? There's always all these potential fights

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that don't quite line up. Do you have other fights

00:19:01.890 --> 00:19:03.910
in your head that were potential fights that

00:19:03.910 --> 00:19:08.170
didn't line up that you wish did? No, everything

00:19:08.170 --> 00:19:10.450
happened for the reason that it's happening now.

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I'm excited about this fight. I'm excited about

00:19:14.150 --> 00:19:16.609
this fight stylistically, too, because I always

00:19:16.609 --> 00:19:19.390
liked that fight stylistically. It was so interesting.

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Because you were just this unstoppable force,

00:19:22.680 --> 00:19:25.839
and Roy was so fast and so slick. I'm just prepared

00:19:25.839 --> 00:19:29.480
to do a lot of running and chasing. Yeah. That

00:19:29.480 --> 00:19:33.039
was real difficult to get in condition for. Chasing

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this little guy around the ring. So how many

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days a week are you training now? Every day.

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Every day. I have to send these off every day.

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And what is a typical day for Mike Tyson right

00:19:43.859 --> 00:19:48.170
now? All right, the day starts. As soon as it's

00:19:48.170 --> 00:19:51.569
daylight from 5 .30, I'll do the four -mile run,

00:19:51.829 --> 00:19:56.130
come back. What am I doing when I come back?

00:19:56.970 --> 00:20:00.470
I'm back. I'm in the shower. From the shower,

00:20:00.710 --> 00:20:04.690
I go downstairs. I let the birds out, fly the

00:20:04.690 --> 00:20:10.470
birds, come back in. I have a machine where you

00:20:10.470 --> 00:20:15.869
do the twist. App exercises. And I'll do that

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probably 200 times on both sides. And I just

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grab a bite. You know, I may have some. I'm eating

00:20:24.569 --> 00:20:29.390
meat first. I may have some eggs instead of not

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eating eggs. You were a vegan for a while, right?

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How long were you a vegan for? A couple of years.

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For a couple of years? Yeah, five years. When

00:20:35.849 --> 00:20:40.970
did it stop? When did you stop doing that? I

00:20:40.970 --> 00:20:43.089
don't know, not too long ago. So did you stop

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because of the training or did you stop before

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that? Yeah, I did stop because of the training.

00:20:48.670 --> 00:20:51.509
It was because of what I wanted my body to look

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like and the strength that I wanted to possess.

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So you started eating meat, red meat, everything?

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No, no, no. Elk and bison. Oh, red meat. That's

00:21:01.819 --> 00:21:04.640
red meat. Yeah. Okay. Wild stuff. You eating

00:21:04.640 --> 00:21:06.079
elk and bison? Dude, I want to give you some

00:21:06.079 --> 00:21:08.420
of my elk. Really? Would you please? Fuck yeah.

00:21:08.420 --> 00:21:10.400
Would you please, man? 100%. Did you kill it?

00:21:10.559 --> 00:21:12.539
Yes. Yeah, I would like for you to do that. I'll

00:21:12.539 --> 00:21:14.299
give you some from that elk right there. That

00:21:14.299 --> 00:21:16.099
would be so awesome. Fuck yeah. That would be

00:21:16.099 --> 00:21:17.380
so awesome, brother. I have three commercial

00:21:17.380 --> 00:21:19.779
freezers in the back. I would love that. I would

00:21:19.779 --> 00:21:22.480
love that. When I look at food, I don't look

00:21:22.480 --> 00:21:24.640
at food like I used to look at it. I look at

00:21:24.640 --> 00:21:27.700
it for what it's for. Yeah. You know what it's

00:21:27.700 --> 00:21:31.359
for. To take care of the body. Exactly. Well,

00:21:31.460 --> 00:21:33.660
that's the best meat, too. I realize that there's

00:21:33.660 --> 00:21:35.640
things that are good for other people, like the

00:21:35.640 --> 00:21:38.539
kale and the vegetables and all this stuff, the

00:21:38.539 --> 00:21:41.599
blueberry. And then for me, it's really poisonous.

00:21:42.279 --> 00:21:44.559
That stuff's bad for you? Yeah, that stuff's

00:21:44.559 --> 00:21:46.819
not good for my blood type and my health conditions

00:21:46.819 --> 00:21:49.380
and all that stuff. Kale? All that stuff's bad

00:21:49.380 --> 00:21:51.480
for you? Oh, kale will kill me. Really? Yeah,

00:21:51.700 --> 00:21:54.779
it's going to kill me. Kale will kill me. What

00:21:54.779 --> 00:21:57.269
does it do? No, actually, death. Really? Yeah,

00:21:57.269 --> 00:22:00.529
for me, I'm careless, toxic to my blood and everything.

00:22:00.730 --> 00:22:02.450
So when you were a vegan, what were you eating?

00:22:02.730 --> 00:22:07.849
Oh, man, nothing. My wife called me the miserable

00:22:07.849 --> 00:22:10.329
vegan. She said, that's not veganism, what you're

00:22:10.329 --> 00:22:13.950
doing, Mike. Just being miserable. No, I think

00:22:13.950 --> 00:22:20.650
it comes down to when... And it's interesting

00:22:20.650 --> 00:22:22.609
because I've done it when I was with Cuss. I

00:22:22.609 --> 00:22:26.049
will sometimes just overdo it. Sometimes I go

00:22:26.049 --> 00:22:29.490
for religious fast for 30 days. I might overdo

00:22:29.490 --> 00:22:32.309
it. I might not eat for the whole day. Instead

00:22:32.309 --> 00:22:35.309
of just for the daytime, not eating. And I might

00:22:35.309 --> 00:22:38.109
for a couple of days just not eat, period. Don't

00:22:38.109 --> 00:22:40.339
you think? But that's just. your championship

00:22:40.339 --> 00:22:42.099
mentality, right? Like you're always pushing

00:22:42.099 --> 00:22:43.880
yourself, even when it comes to something like

00:22:43.880 --> 00:22:47.339
fasting. It has something to do with suffering.

00:22:47.500 --> 00:22:50.039
I don't know what it is. I can't put my feelings

00:22:50.039 --> 00:22:52.400
on it. It's about how much, how long can I suffer

00:22:52.400 --> 00:22:54.880
more than this person or that person? Or could

00:22:54.880 --> 00:22:57.319
this person do what I did? Right, right, right.

00:22:57.440 --> 00:22:59.319
I remember you saying that too, about training,

00:22:59.400 --> 00:23:01.000
that you would get up in the morning and train

00:23:01.000 --> 00:23:03.559
because you wanted an edge. You wanted to know

00:23:03.559 --> 00:23:05.039
that you were training while they were asleep.

00:23:05.380 --> 00:23:07.839
Exactly. Yeah. I remember thinking that back

00:23:07.839 --> 00:23:09.549
when I was doing martial arts. I remember reading

00:23:09.549 --> 00:23:11.430
that and I'm like, I want to do that too. I'd

00:23:11.430 --> 00:23:12.950
copy a lot of shit you did. Well, you always

00:23:12.950 --> 00:23:17.190
have to have, and even if it's not so, you have

00:23:17.190 --> 00:23:19.690
to have, and that's where delusion comes in because

00:23:19.690 --> 00:23:22.769
delusion is only delusional when you don't accomplish

00:23:22.769 --> 00:23:24.950
the goals of making your delusions a reality.

00:23:25.289 --> 00:23:27.970
Right. That's what is delusional. Right. You're

00:23:27.970 --> 00:23:31.750
just enforcing your mindset. Oh, yeah, to allow

00:23:31.750 --> 00:23:34.470
those delusions to be the reality of your...

00:23:34.670 --> 00:23:37.990
um assessment now when you're doing this and

00:23:37.990 --> 00:23:39.369
you're getting up in the morning and running

00:23:39.369 --> 00:23:43.549
does this like do you feel like you felt in the

00:23:43.549 --> 00:23:46.309
old days do you i mean i don't mean physically

00:23:46.309 --> 00:23:49.069
i mean the mind like you're preparing for war

00:23:49.069 --> 00:23:52.549
again do you does this does this like reignite

00:23:52.549 --> 00:23:55.549
those old thoughts the way you were when you

00:23:55.549 --> 00:23:57.250
were the champ the way you were when you're on

00:23:57.250 --> 00:23:59.829
your way to the title like this is a this is

00:23:59.829 --> 00:24:01.609
a whole new way of life you know what's really

00:24:01.609 --> 00:24:09.130
interesting That sometimes, period. It's not

00:24:09.130 --> 00:24:11.130
real, but sometimes I struggle with the fact

00:24:11.130 --> 00:24:13.069
of, wow, there's a possibility I can really hurt

00:24:13.069 --> 00:24:18.750
somebody. Like you don't want to hurt them? What

00:24:18.750 --> 00:24:20.630
do you mean, but you struggle with the possibility

00:24:20.630 --> 00:24:23.670
that you could hurt them? That is sometimes,

00:24:23.950 --> 00:24:30.509
it's orgasmic sometimes. Yeah. Like some fights,

00:24:30.690 --> 00:24:33.819
like particularly like, Tyrell Biggs or someone

00:24:33.819 --> 00:24:36.079
that you had problems with, someone that you

00:24:36.079 --> 00:24:40.000
had animosity towards, so when you finally get

00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:45.400
your hands on them. Hey, what does it mean when

00:24:45.400 --> 00:24:49.339
fighting gets you erect? What does that mean?

00:24:49.700 --> 00:24:52.740
It's a good question. It means you're getting

00:24:52.740 --> 00:24:57.009
excited. Yeah. So that... That's going through

00:24:57.009 --> 00:24:58.890
your mind right now. Well, that's how I get when

00:24:58.890 --> 00:25:02.710
I was a kid. Sometimes I get the twinkle. The

00:25:02.710 --> 00:25:05.029
twinkle. Yeah. Well, that's what I'm saying.

00:25:05.109 --> 00:25:07.890
It's like you reached a state as a human being,

00:25:07.970 --> 00:25:11.130
as a champion, as a ferocious fighter. You reached

00:25:11.130 --> 00:25:15.069
a state of ability and of accomplishment that

00:25:15.069 --> 00:25:17.730
very few humans will ever, ever touch and feel.

00:25:18.369 --> 00:25:20.589
That's why I'm asking you, when you're running,

00:25:20.730 --> 00:25:22.829
when you're hitting the bag, when that heart's

00:25:22.829 --> 00:25:25.430
beating again, and you know who you are. You're

00:25:25.430 --> 00:25:27.930
Mike motherfucking Tyson. So when you're doing

00:25:27.930 --> 00:25:29.470
all this shit again, you're still Mike Tyson.

00:25:29.769 --> 00:25:31.910
Those thoughts have got to be burning inside

00:25:31.910 --> 00:25:35.730
you again. It's got to be pretty wild. I don't

00:25:35.730 --> 00:25:42.609
know. It's wild, but I believe it's rightfully

00:25:42.609 --> 00:25:47.470
so to be that way. I don't say I master it, but

00:25:47.470 --> 00:25:49.289
I just know how to deal with it. I don't let

00:25:49.289 --> 00:25:55.359
it overwhelm me. No. Well, of course not. It

00:25:55.359 --> 00:25:58.599
gets you orgasmic. That's a strange thing to

00:25:58.599 --> 00:26:00.900
say. Well, that's just what I wanted to find

00:26:00.900 --> 00:26:03.220
out because you're really bright. And I thought

00:26:03.220 --> 00:26:04.759
you would figure that out. No, I'm being very

00:26:04.759 --> 00:26:07.680
serious. No, I know. I know you're being serious.

00:26:07.740 --> 00:26:10.400
But, I mean, no one will understand that other

00:26:10.400 --> 00:26:15.339
than you. Like, that's your mindset. But I think

00:26:15.339 --> 00:26:16.880
that, like all the things we were talking about

00:26:16.880 --> 00:26:18.700
before, the way you drive yourself, the way you

00:26:18.700 --> 00:26:20.559
push yourself, the way you put yourself into

00:26:20.559 --> 00:26:22.619
that frame of mind, no one's going to understand

00:26:22.619 --> 00:26:24.670
that other than you. So no one's going to understand

00:26:24.670 --> 00:26:27.269
you get an erection from thinking about hurting

00:26:27.269 --> 00:26:31.369
someone more than you will. There has to be fear

00:26:31.369 --> 00:26:36.730
based in somewhere. Fear based? Maybe. Or maybe

00:26:36.730 --> 00:26:41.690
just, maybe not fear based, but maybe embracing

00:26:41.690 --> 00:26:44.549
the fact that you're going to go into this with

00:26:44.549 --> 00:26:46.450
everything that you have, the chaos of it all.

00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:50.700
The ultimate goal is to hurt somebody. The ultimate

00:26:50.700 --> 00:26:53.519
goal is to be extremely successful. The way you

00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:55.440
can be extremely successful, the thing you do

00:26:55.440 --> 00:26:59.700
great, is to crush people. So to have that encompass

00:26:59.700 --> 00:27:02.240
everything. This fighting is the only thing I

00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:05.880
don't ask Allah for. I just don't ask Him for

00:27:05.880 --> 00:27:08.240
help for that. You don't ask Him for help for

00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:09.700
fighting? Yeah. Because you think you got it?

00:27:09.920 --> 00:27:12.480
No, I just don't think. You don't think you should

00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:15.019
ask? I just don't want to be involved with that

00:27:15.019 --> 00:27:19.380
kind of mindset in Allah. So, you know, people

00:27:19.380 --> 00:27:21.480
do, they go to, I just don't. I just don't because

00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:24.420
it's just, I don't like the way I think, and

00:27:24.420 --> 00:27:27.339
I don't want God to be, you know, involved with

00:27:27.339 --> 00:27:29.599
the way I think at that time. Well, this is what's

00:27:29.599 --> 00:27:31.259
so interesting to me about you fighting again,

00:27:31.339 --> 00:27:33.059
because of the conversation that we had the last

00:27:33.059 --> 00:27:35.000
time you were here, that you didn't want to reignite

00:27:35.000 --> 00:27:38.200
your ego. Clearly, your ego is blazing right

00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:40.779
now. I mean, you're ready to go. Well, maybe

00:27:40.779 --> 00:27:44.460
because I... I'm an addict, a former addict,

00:27:44.539 --> 00:27:47.339
and I'm under a narcotic ring. The camera's on

00:27:47.339 --> 00:27:50.859
me. This is a big narcotic, and maybe that has

00:27:50.859 --> 00:27:52.339
something to do with it as well. But I like to

00:27:52.339 --> 00:27:54.640
think it's under control until the night of the

00:27:54.640 --> 00:28:00.039
event. Yeah, the night of the event. So the addiction

00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:04.859
will get purged with the performance. Yeah, that's

00:28:04.859 --> 00:28:08.079
why I was doing, if you don't mind me interrupting

00:28:08.079 --> 00:28:11.240
for a second, I was... The book that talks to

00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:13.380
you, what do they call it? Audio book. And it

00:28:13.380 --> 00:28:18.339
was called The Gene Key. Okay. This book. And

00:28:18.339 --> 00:28:21.279
the book was explaining about why that we are,

00:28:21.420 --> 00:28:24.200
who we are in that perspective, that most of

00:28:24.200 --> 00:28:26.440
the people like you and myself and people, people

00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:29.480
in general who is not at that level, even anyone

00:28:29.480 --> 00:28:33.059
that have a creative mind is victimized to depression.

00:28:34.140 --> 00:28:38.269
And the reason is because. When that creator,

00:28:38.509 --> 00:28:42.970
whatever it is that causes that creativity is

00:28:42.970 --> 00:28:46.430
not fed the proper information that is successful

00:28:46.430 --> 00:28:50.069
and that is accepted in whatever space of the

00:28:50.069 --> 00:28:52.450
brain and the mind that it wants to be accepted

00:28:52.450 --> 00:28:57.289
and is not accepted, it crumbles. Does that make

00:28:57.289 --> 00:29:01.049
sense? Well, I feel like with someone like you,

00:29:01.170 --> 00:29:04.549
the highs that you reach in competing, the highs

00:29:04.549 --> 00:29:07.759
you reach in fighting are so high. that it's

00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:11.119
probably very difficult to it's probably very

00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:14.559
difficult to just exist outside of that And I

00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:16.519
know you love pot for that reason because it

00:29:16.519 --> 00:29:18.500
calmed you down and mellowed you out and chilled

00:29:18.500 --> 00:29:21.819
you out. Absolutely. It made me like myself.

00:29:22.500 --> 00:29:24.900
Do you understand that? Yeah, I do. It makes

00:29:24.900 --> 00:29:27.279
me like myself. It gives you forgiveness of yourself.

00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:29.319
Yeah, I agree with that. I never thought about

00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:31.880
that. I never wanted to be forgiven much because

00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:34.740
that's really powerful stuff. Yeah. To have to

00:29:34.740 --> 00:29:36.859
accept forgiveness is really powerful stuff.

00:29:36.859 --> 00:29:39.299
And to forgive yourself. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's

00:29:39.299 --> 00:29:40.779
hard to forgive other people. Sometimes it's

00:29:40.779 --> 00:29:43.170
harder to forgive yourself. Yes. And marijuana

00:29:43.170 --> 00:29:46.869
makes you feel, like, it makes me more compassionate.

00:29:46.970 --> 00:29:49.230
It makes me more friendly. It makes me want to

00:29:49.230 --> 00:29:51.089
hug people. It gives me more of a sense of community.

00:29:51.289 --> 00:29:53.029
Exactly. It makes me like people who I believe

00:29:53.029 --> 00:29:54.769
did something wrong to me. Yeah, you're like,

00:29:54.769 --> 00:29:56.910
ah, he didn't fuck me. It's okay. He's a good

00:29:56.910 --> 00:29:59.769
nigga. He's my man. Yeah, it's like, he didn't

00:29:59.769 --> 00:30:01.829
mean it. He's just all fucked up just like me.

00:30:02.049 --> 00:30:03.970
But if I'm drunk, I'm going to blow that bread.

00:30:08.029 --> 00:30:14.849
Oh, God. The fighting thing, to feed that, that

00:30:14.849 --> 00:30:19.049
experience, it's a different experience. It's

00:30:19.049 --> 00:30:22.089
got to be so hard for a world championship fighter

00:30:22.089 --> 00:30:26.250
of your caliber to exist with regular, normal,

00:30:26.470 --> 00:30:29.730
boring life. When you're training and you're

00:30:29.730 --> 00:30:32.369
ramping yourself up for a big fight and then

00:30:32.369 --> 00:30:36.009
you have that big fight and you knock out Spinks

00:30:36.009 --> 00:30:38.650
in front of the whole world and you're walking

00:30:38.650 --> 00:30:40.369
around the ring and you're on the cover of every

00:30:40.369 --> 00:30:43.309
magazine, the highs of that, the accomplishment,

00:30:43.529 --> 00:30:45.150
the training, and then the competing itself,

00:30:45.349 --> 00:30:48.730
the experience is so alien to me. most people

00:30:48.730 --> 00:30:51.089
that when you walk around with regular folks

00:30:51.089 --> 00:30:54.289
in regular life it's gotta it's gotta be hard

00:30:54.289 --> 00:30:58.289
to exist no it's not it's just that um you have

00:30:58.289 --> 00:31:02.150
to know who you can be at certain times in your

00:31:02.150 --> 00:31:04.150
life no one knows who they are because if you

00:31:04.150 --> 00:31:05.869
know if you knew who you were right now you'd

00:31:05.869 --> 00:31:08.269
be really limited you know because life is about

00:31:08.269 --> 00:31:10.150
change you're gonna be told then five years from

00:31:10.150 --> 00:31:11.650
now you'd be a different person won't be this

00:31:11.650 --> 00:31:15.490
person so we're gonna have to have develop some

00:31:15.490 --> 00:31:18.450
kind of emotional intelligence and just learn

00:31:18.450 --> 00:31:22.190
to, as time goes on, grasp what's ever going

00:31:22.190 --> 00:31:24.930
on and just form with it. As it changes, you

00:31:24.930 --> 00:31:27.430
change with it. Because it's very difficult when

00:31:27.430 --> 00:31:30.049
times change to change with the times. Right.

00:31:30.170 --> 00:31:32.609
And you have to be conscious of that. And the

00:31:32.609 --> 00:31:35.819
times is not... The people around you, the time

00:31:35.819 --> 00:31:37.980
is the development and time you have left on

00:31:37.980 --> 00:31:40.819
this planet that you have to develop who you

00:31:40.819 --> 00:31:43.599
are. How difficult is it to make that change,

00:31:43.660 --> 00:31:45.740
though, to become a different person other than

00:31:45.740 --> 00:31:47.539
a world championship fighter? Like when you decided

00:31:47.539 --> 00:31:50.299
to stop, was it difficult? Well, time will make

00:31:50.299 --> 00:31:53.119
you that person. Time will. Yeah, time will make

00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:55.039
you that person. What is time? I don't know.

00:31:55.180 --> 00:31:58.099
Right. But time has also made you that person

00:31:58.099 --> 00:32:02.000
again now, though. Now it's reignited. Now new

00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:04.559
time has come, and now you're training again.

00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:08.539
Exactly. But I think this is done mostly for

00:32:08.539 --> 00:32:12.190
my health. for my mortality more than anything.

00:32:13.470 --> 00:32:16.170
Subconsciously, I think. That's the reason why

00:32:16.170 --> 00:32:18.509
I did it, just to be healthy. To be healthy.

00:32:18.950 --> 00:32:21.569
This stuff goes on, then this, and then I meet

00:32:21.569 --> 00:32:23.289
a doctor and say, hey, you know, you should do

00:32:23.289 --> 00:32:25.529
this and this, and you should try stem cell.

00:32:25.589 --> 00:32:27.150
I'm like, you never tried stem cell? But this

00:32:27.150 --> 00:32:30.529
is what really got me interested in this stuff.

00:32:30.970 --> 00:32:33.849
I thought I interviewed, which I'd like to do

00:32:33.849 --> 00:32:37.700
you as well, on my podcast. If you're licensed

00:32:37.700 --> 00:32:39.500
to do it, your contract won't let you do it.

00:32:39.500 --> 00:32:42.180
Oh, yeah, for sure. So I had the opportunity

00:32:42.180 --> 00:32:48.319
to talk to Ken Shamrock. Okay. And so he came

00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:50.660
in. I looked at him. I said, fuck, he looks incredible.

00:32:50.660 --> 00:32:52.559
What the fuck? Hey, what are you doing right

00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:55.180
now? Why do you look like that? How's that happen?

00:32:55.619 --> 00:32:57.839
And he said it was in Columbia. And I said, where?

00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:01.579
And he said, I'm going tomorrow. Right? I had

00:33:01.579 --> 00:33:03.920
some people nearby that I happened to be introduced

00:33:03.920 --> 00:33:08.380
to, and they were on the top. Is that that bio

00:33:08.380 --> 00:33:10.440
-accelerator place down in Columbia? Is that

00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:12.019
what it is? I didn't go there. Is that where

00:33:12.019 --> 00:33:14.319
Henry Cejudo went? I have no idea who went there.

00:33:14.339 --> 00:33:15.920
I have no idea where he's at. I just knew it

00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:19.259
was in Columbia. And I met some other people

00:33:19.259 --> 00:33:23.059
who were, yes, on top of their game with this

00:33:23.059 --> 00:33:25.180
anti -aging, all this stuff that's going on with

00:33:25.180 --> 00:33:29.880
this alternative stuff also. And so, pfft. I

00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:32.460
met these people, and it was just amazing stuff.

00:33:33.160 --> 00:33:36.859
So you're able to now train all these days a

00:33:36.859 --> 00:33:40.599
week. You have, like, how many months in now?

00:33:40.900 --> 00:33:44.440
You're solid since April. Yes. And you attribute

00:33:44.440 --> 00:33:46.140
that mostly to all these different alternative

00:33:46.140 --> 00:33:48.140
methods of healing and recovery? Absolutely,

00:33:48.140 --> 00:33:50.740
especially this gentleman that we call. His name

00:33:50.740 --> 00:33:53.880
is Brad Rowe. We call him the mechanic, the electrician

00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:57.930
that is. And he works through it. But current

00:33:57.930 --> 00:34:00.289
forces and that was just... Oh, electromuscular

00:34:00.289 --> 00:34:01.569
stimulation, those things? Yeah, but it's different.

00:34:01.609 --> 00:34:02.849
It's totally different. It's different? It's

00:34:02.849 --> 00:34:05.269
in that family, but it's just totally superior

00:34:05.269 --> 00:34:07.369
than that. That's just so antiquated compared

00:34:07.369 --> 00:34:12.510
to this stuff, you know? So you were talking

00:34:12.510 --> 00:34:15.070
about your ability to... You run in the morning,

00:34:15.130 --> 00:34:16.750
and now what's the afternoons like? What are

00:34:16.750 --> 00:34:18.269
you doing in the afternoons? That's when I'm

00:34:18.269 --> 00:34:20.610
training. Around 1 o 'clock, I'm in the gym.

00:34:20.670 --> 00:34:25.289
I'm doing the training. 2 .30, I'm probably talking

00:34:25.289 --> 00:34:29.110
on the phone and flipping some deals, making

00:34:29.110 --> 00:34:32.150
arrangements probably to do other shows, commercial

00:34:32.150 --> 00:34:37.349
or some ads. Business stuff. How did you get

00:34:37.349 --> 00:34:39.250
hooked up with Rafael Cordero? Because for folks

00:34:39.250 --> 00:34:41.559
who don't know, he's... legendary trainer in

00:34:41.559 --> 00:34:45.039
MMA. He's from Chutebox in Brazil. He was one

00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:48.099
of the top guys back when Chutebox was the number

00:34:48.099 --> 00:34:51.579
one MMA camp in Brazil where Anderson Silva and

00:34:51.579 --> 00:34:53.880
Vanderlei Silva... I found this out later, but

00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:56.159
this is how this happened. The two of us met.

00:34:58.239 --> 00:35:00.440
I said, hey, you know, I'd like to hit the mitts.

00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:02.519
You think I could hit the mitts with somebody?

00:35:02.579 --> 00:35:03.980
You think you got somebody around to hit the

00:35:03.980 --> 00:35:05.559
mitts? I was getting ready to go to Freddie's

00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:10.179
gym. Freddie Roach? Yeah, and then... Someone

00:35:10.179 --> 00:35:14.960
said they had Raphael. And I said, okay, let

00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:18.239
me check him out. And he was just perfect. Is

00:35:18.239 --> 00:35:20.159
he near you? Does he live near you or something?

00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:25.019
He lives in Laguna. I'm in Newport. What is another?

00:35:25.539 --> 00:35:28.039
Laguna? It's close enough. Yeah. Yeah, that's

00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:30.420
close. That's real close. So he's there, I believe.

00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:33.880
He's a great trainer. We just came from Vegas.

00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:37.599
Just hanging out, you know, had to go someplace.

00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:43.519
And he's just cool, cool. I met him before the

00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:46.480
pandemic, but that's what I mean. We came before

00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:49.639
the pandemic. We were in Vegas. We met, I guess,

00:35:49.659 --> 00:35:52.960
at one of the UFC fights. And then I met him

00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:54.280
over here, and I was saying I want to hit the

00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:58.400
message, and that's how we got back together.

00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:01.500
He's a great man, like a good person. No. The

00:36:01.500 --> 00:36:04.280
reason why. And Kev, not necessarily because

00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:06.360
he was awesome with the mix, because he put so

00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:08.860
much... Peace and love and stuff to the whole

00:36:08.860 --> 00:36:11.440
family, the whole camp. He's a beautiful man.

00:36:11.619 --> 00:36:14.400
His image, his energy is just awesome. Yeah,

00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:17.139
he's got great energy. He's beloved. Yes. Like,

00:36:17.139 --> 00:36:19.900
in the MMA world and all the people that he trains

00:36:19.900 --> 00:36:21.280
with, everyone loves Rafael Cordero. Oh, he's

00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:23.179
the best. You can't find a person to say a bad

00:36:23.179 --> 00:36:24.880
word about that man. Oh, man, he's so awesome.

00:36:25.119 --> 00:36:27.460
And he's a very good trainer. And he also was

00:36:27.460 --> 00:36:30.980
a guy, like, that style, that shoot box style,

00:36:31.159 --> 00:36:33.539
they were very aggressive. And I was like, oh,

00:36:33.559 --> 00:36:35.280
that actually makes sense, him and you together.

00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:37.559
Yeah, when we do... The drills are what's going

00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:40.900
on. When we're hitting the mitts, it's no use,

00:36:40.980 --> 00:36:43.019
hey, hit the mitts, pop, pop, pop. It's boom,

00:36:43.059 --> 00:36:45.760
and we're moving. It's action, boom. Heart beating,

00:36:45.820 --> 00:36:49.980
heart breathing, and we're just working at it.

00:36:50.469 --> 00:36:53.329
Yeah, I'm watching, and I'm saying it's interesting

00:36:53.329 --> 00:36:56.150
because he's got you doing a lot of side -to

00:36:56.150 --> 00:36:58.610
-side and angles. Oh, yeah, listen. I do eight

00:36:58.610 --> 00:37:01.010
rounds on the bag, and I do four rounds with

00:37:01.010 --> 00:37:03.130
me in the movement. Oh, whoo! You feel that?

00:37:03.150 --> 00:37:05.949
That bag work. What was that bag? Would that

00:37:05.949 --> 00:37:08.599
even really work out? Yeah. You know, he said,

00:37:08.659 --> 00:37:10.599
was that really even a workout? What was that,

00:37:10.619 --> 00:37:12.639
the warming up for this? What was that about?

00:37:12.860 --> 00:37:14.840
You don't even know that existed after you did

00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:16.619
the four or five rounds. So when you go from

00:37:16.619 --> 00:37:18.239
April, when you first started doing it again,

00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:21.639
to now, how much better do you feel? Listen,

00:37:21.780 --> 00:37:26.500
that was just a joke at the beginning. You know,

00:37:26.539 --> 00:37:30.460
right now it's really perking up. It feels like

00:37:30.460 --> 00:37:33.159
real training. Yeah, it does. It's taking that

00:37:33.159 --> 00:37:38.769
deep breath. Do you feel like you could train

00:37:38.769 --> 00:37:41.269
as hard as you did back when you were in your

00:37:41.269 --> 00:37:43.730
prime? Well, listen, you have a tape here, don't

00:37:43.730 --> 00:37:45.929
you, that we could look at? Is there a film?

00:37:46.090 --> 00:37:49.170
Do you have a film of my tape of me hitting the

00:37:49.170 --> 00:37:51.329
mitts in my prime and see me hitting the mitts

00:37:51.329 --> 00:37:55.150
now? I bet we do. Look at me hit the mitts in

00:37:55.150 --> 00:37:57.610
88 and let me hit the mitts from last week. Can

00:37:57.610 --> 00:38:00.090
you tell me? No, listen, I'll tell you. You look

00:38:00.090 --> 00:38:01.869
fucking fantastic. That's what's interesting

00:38:01.869 --> 00:38:05.269
about it. Wow, that's me. Look at this. It's

00:38:05.269 --> 00:38:07.309
just I had more endurance back then than now,

00:38:07.329 --> 00:38:09.900
but now I'm catching up. Well, that's what's

00:38:09.900 --> 00:38:12.199
interesting about it. It's not like watching

00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:14.659
an old fighter that has lost it that's just trying

00:38:14.659 --> 00:38:16.760
to compete. It's like watching an old fighter

00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:19.920
regain those old skills. Like, you look great,

00:38:19.980 --> 00:38:22.219
man. That's what's crazy about it. I'm just going

00:38:22.219 --> 00:38:24.579
to work on this and work off it and keep working

00:38:24.579 --> 00:38:27.500
on it and see where this goes. It's so exciting.

00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:32.820
I love it. I love it. Listen, this is Johnny

00:38:32.820 --> 00:38:34.960
Ryan, the guy that works with us in aeros and

00:38:34.960 --> 00:38:40.340
stuff. When we announced the fights. We got in

00:38:40.340 --> 00:38:46.179
2 .5 billion hits. I'm serious. I believe it.

00:38:46.380 --> 00:38:48.480
I believe it. No, this is going to be a huge

00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:50.440
fight. I mean, this fight is probably going to

00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:52.019
be one of the biggest fights of all time in terms

00:38:52.019 --> 00:38:53.619
of pay -per -view, in terms of people buying

00:38:53.619 --> 00:38:56.039
it and watching it. There it is. It's a great

00:38:56.039 --> 00:38:58.840
video. In terms of helping people as well. Of

00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:02.619
Roy and you training together. There's a compilation.

00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:05.860
It looks like somebody speeded my goddamn film.

00:39:05.900 --> 00:39:08.119
My mother -in -law said they speed that up, and

00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:09.340
my wife said they speed that up. I said, no,

00:39:09.420 --> 00:39:13.699
I think they did not. That's the electrician.

00:39:14.340 --> 00:39:18.440
Oh, the electrical muscular stimulation shit?

00:39:18.699 --> 00:39:21.679
Yeah. No, it doesn't look like it's sped up.

00:39:21.739 --> 00:39:23.420
It looks like you still have the speed. That's

00:39:23.420 --> 00:39:24.760
what it looks like. That's what's so exciting

00:39:24.760 --> 00:39:29.019
about it. With a King's MMA shirt on? Yeah. So

00:39:29.019 --> 00:39:32.699
exciting. It's so exciting, man. It really is.

00:39:34.099 --> 00:39:37.340
I'm 100 % into this, and I can't wait for the

00:39:37.340 --> 00:39:39.139
fight to go down. It's going to be November 18th

00:39:39.139 --> 00:39:43.420
now, right? 28th. November 28th. It was enough

00:39:43.420 --> 00:39:45.480
time for fans and everybody in Thanksgiving to

00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:48.039
be home and to be able to view it for the holidays

00:39:48.039 --> 00:39:50.780
and just be able to help more people, the more

00:39:50.780 --> 00:39:53.679
people that view it. This is so exciting, man.

00:39:53.840 --> 00:39:56.760
Are you doing weightlifting? Are you doing any

00:39:56.760 --> 00:39:58.699
swimming? What other kind of exercises are you

00:39:58.699 --> 00:40:00.380
doing? The only swim I did was when that shark

00:40:00.380 --> 00:40:02.119
commercial. That was the only swim I did. I was

00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:04.739
going to ask you about that. And we're doing

00:40:04.739 --> 00:40:07.119
little weights. We're doing a lot of reps and

00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:09.360
just doing a lot of motion. So you have a strength

00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:11.739
and conditioning coach? Yeah, Brad Rowe. Okay,

00:40:11.800 --> 00:40:14.460
so he's doing... Yeah. Yeah. Brad Rowe. I've

00:40:14.460 --> 00:40:16.739
heard that name before. Weightlifting champ,

00:40:17.039 --> 00:40:20.139
chain weightlifting champs and all that stuff.

00:40:21.219 --> 00:40:23.559
And he's just an awesome person to me. It's kicking

00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:25.380
butt. And how many days a week are you doing

00:40:25.380 --> 00:40:27.480
strength and conditioning along with your running

00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:29.480
and your boxing training? Monday to Friday. I

00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:31.360
think we do Saturdays too. I say, hey, I'm bored.

00:40:31.500 --> 00:40:34.519
Let's just go Saturday. Wow. How good does it

00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:36.300
feel to get back in shape again, man, and to

00:40:36.300 --> 00:40:38.880
look great? Hey, it feels awesome, but listen,

00:40:39.260 --> 00:40:41.320
there's nothing easy about it. You know, getting

00:40:41.320 --> 00:40:45.360
in shape is not easy. It's just... It's continuous

00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:48.860
stuff. It's consistency. There it is. Big ol'

00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:53.900
brat. So how the fuck did they talk you into

00:40:53.900 --> 00:40:55.659
getting in the ocean with sharks? What was that

00:40:55.659 --> 00:40:58.760
all about? Listen, I don't know how they did

00:40:58.760 --> 00:41:01.719
this. The money wasn't really that great and

00:41:01.719 --> 00:41:05.739
stuff. You know, and I'm sorry, shark world.

00:41:05.980 --> 00:41:13.190
Your guys underpaid me. They had me out there.

00:41:13.230 --> 00:41:18.219
I was there. It was really interesting, man.

00:41:18.340 --> 00:41:20.519
It was really interesting. I'm just saying, how

00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:24.119
did these guys get me in here? Yeah, I was wondering

00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:26.480
the same thing. And listen, Dana thought he was

00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:28.420
doing me a favor. I don't want Mike to fail.

00:41:28.579 --> 00:41:30.360
I'm telling Mike to do a couple of gigs with

00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:32.099
these guys. And I'm saying, thanks a lot, Dana.

00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:35.460
You really like me. Dana really liked me. I'm

00:41:35.460 --> 00:41:38.559
saying, Dana really cares about me. He said,

00:41:38.599 --> 00:41:40.239
forget the fight. I don't want to see Mike fight.

00:41:40.280 --> 00:41:42.019
I want to see Mike go fuck with some sharks.

00:41:42.940 --> 00:41:45.039
Yeah, I would say fighting is probably safer.

00:41:47.139 --> 00:41:49.440
Dana didn't want you to fight, right? Yeah, but

00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:54.900
then he wants me to go with sharks, though. Why

00:41:54.900 --> 00:41:56.539
didn't he want you to fight? Did you talk to

00:41:56.539 --> 00:41:59.219
him about it? No, no. He has never seen it until

00:41:59.219 --> 00:42:01.699
he's seen it and watched me. Once he saw you,

00:42:01.719 --> 00:42:05.420
then he changed his mind? Mm -hmm. Yeah. I think

00:42:05.420 --> 00:42:07.280
when someone sees the dedication that you have,

00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:08.920
that you're actually fit, that you're actually

00:42:08.920 --> 00:42:11.219
moving fast, and you actually can compete at

00:42:11.219 --> 00:42:13.599
a very high level. I just had to realize that

00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:16.059
I'm... I'm not going to rush in there like that

00:42:16.059 --> 00:42:17.400
no more. I got to move around. I got to do it

00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:19.079
in a different way. Because I tried to go in

00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:20.960
there the first time I sparred, and it was disastrous.

00:42:21.059 --> 00:42:23.420
So I went in there thinking, using my head, moving,

00:42:23.539 --> 00:42:25.579
and things went the way I wanted them to go.

00:42:25.579 --> 00:42:27.480
How long in training was the first time you sparred?

00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:31.019
First time I sparred? 15 years. First time you

00:42:31.019 --> 00:42:33.219
sparred in 15 years. And how many months into

00:42:33.219 --> 00:42:36.079
training was that? You started in April. So when

00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:37.840
did you start sparring? The really boxing stuff

00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:43.659
is when I did that stuff with... When I did the

00:42:43.659 --> 00:42:45.920
stuff with Raphael, first time. Right, but I

00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:48.539
mean first sparring, first sparring rounds. Yeah,

00:42:48.559 --> 00:42:51.260
it was really weird and stuff. But I realized

00:42:51.260 --> 00:42:52.960
when I was getting hit, boom, boom, boom, I got

00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:55.000
hit a couple of times. I didn't go like, what

00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:57.340
the fuck am I doing? I said, wait, I belong here.

00:42:58.280 --> 00:43:00.920
It brought it back. Yeah, I said, I belong here.

00:43:00.940 --> 00:43:03.440
I got rock, boom, boom, boom. I got rock and

00:43:03.440 --> 00:43:06.159
I heard the ringing. I said, boom, I didn't panic.

00:43:06.739 --> 00:43:09.409
I said, oh, I belong here. Wow. I said, I belong

00:43:09.409 --> 00:43:11.230
here. I started moving and started talking about

00:43:11.230 --> 00:43:13.849
it. I said, whoa, I belong here. Nice. I never

00:43:13.849 --> 00:43:16.070
said, what the fuck am I doing? This shit is

00:43:16.070 --> 00:43:18.030
crazy. It just never happened. It never happened.

00:43:18.349 --> 00:43:20.949
I was expecting that. You were expecting the,

00:43:20.989 --> 00:43:21.889
what the fuck am I doing? I was like, what the

00:43:21.889 --> 00:43:24.309
fuck? Fuck this shit. Hey, hey, stop. Fuck this

00:43:24.309 --> 00:43:27.829
shit, nigga. I ain't doing this shit. But that's

00:43:27.829 --> 00:43:30.269
what I was expecting, really. I said, whoa. Boom,

00:43:30.289 --> 00:43:32.909
boom, boom, boom. Whoa, I belong here. Then you

00:43:32.909 --> 00:43:34.510
felt it and you readjusted. That's the first

00:43:34.510 --> 00:43:37.090
thing I said. I said, whoa, I belong here. That's

00:43:37.090 --> 00:43:40.360
the first thing I said. Nice. How long did it

00:43:40.360 --> 00:43:41.980
take before you started feeling comfortable sparring?

00:43:42.519 --> 00:43:45.099
The next time I sparred again. Really? Yeah.

00:43:46.380 --> 00:43:48.960
So the next time you sparred again, you just

00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:51.019
could get back into the mindset of what it's

00:43:51.019 --> 00:43:53.300
like to be competing and moving with another

00:43:53.300 --> 00:43:56.280
person. Yeah, and you can't go for the kill because

00:43:56.280 --> 00:43:59.000
your body's not moving for the kill now. You

00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:01.739
have to develop the relationship. Ooh, this is

00:44:01.739 --> 00:44:04.239
going to be interesting when you hear this. And

00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:05.920
a fighter probably doesn't understand that, but

00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:08.909
as he gets older, you have to develop. reacquaint

00:44:08.909 --> 00:44:10.869
a relationship with your mind and your body.

00:44:11.409 --> 00:44:14.170
Your legs go here before your body's ready to

00:44:14.170 --> 00:44:16.849
go with it sometimes. So you have to... They

00:44:16.849 --> 00:44:18.929
have to sync up. Yeah, they have to sync up.

00:44:19.010 --> 00:44:20.829
Now you have to talk, hey, before it was like,

00:44:20.869 --> 00:44:22.269
ween, ween, ween, before it was like, let's do

00:44:22.269 --> 00:44:23.869
it, bing, bing, bing. Now it's like, hey, let's

00:44:23.869 --> 00:44:25.690
move here, let's move here. You have to talk,

00:44:25.710 --> 00:44:28.190
you lose that tenth of a second when you talk

00:44:28.190 --> 00:44:31.030
to yourself. So you're doing it instantly. So

00:44:31.030 --> 00:44:33.349
do you think eventually you'll get back to automatic?

00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:36.800
Well, we're going to see. I would like that.

00:44:37.059 --> 00:44:39.599
Yeah. Yeah, I'd like that, too. I'd like that.

00:44:40.900 --> 00:44:43.059
It's exciting, though, man. It's very exciting

00:44:43.059 --> 00:44:46.139
to see you sparring again, to see all that. Now,

00:44:46.139 --> 00:44:49.039
when you're sparring, are you sparring technically?

00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:54.780
Are you sparring hard? Listen, the first time

00:44:54.780 --> 00:44:56.400
I went back sparring, I tried to go all out,

00:44:56.460 --> 00:45:00.400
and I was disastrous. My body wasn't listening.

00:45:00.940 --> 00:45:03.250
Right, right. And so, like you said, I had to

00:45:03.250 --> 00:45:06.590
develop that relationship. And the second time

00:45:06.590 --> 00:45:10.230
I sparred, that was so much better, yeah. I wasn't

00:45:10.230 --> 00:45:12.570
rushing and trying to hurt nobody, kill nobody.

00:45:12.670 --> 00:45:15.670
I was just trying to accomplish stuff. Just get

00:45:15.670 --> 00:45:17.610
working. And how often do you spar in a week?

00:45:18.989 --> 00:45:20.949
When I go back to sparring, I like sparring every

00:45:20.949 --> 00:45:23.980
day. Really? Every day. Yeah, because the more

00:45:23.980 --> 00:45:25.980
you do it, the better it is. Right, the more

00:45:25.980 --> 00:45:28.099
your timing is, the better you feel. What are

00:45:28.099 --> 00:45:29.440
your thoughts on, like, some people think that

00:45:29.440 --> 00:45:31.260
you can spar too much and you leave too much

00:45:31.260 --> 00:45:33.340
in the gym because you get hit too much in camp.

00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:35.940
Well, that's the whole thing you learn in camp,

00:45:35.980 --> 00:45:38.760
not to get hit. That's the art of boxing, learning

00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:40.579
not to get hit in the fight, and you have to

00:45:40.579 --> 00:45:43.380
do that by trying to get hit in the gym real

00:45:43.380 --> 00:45:46.639
seriously and avoiding that. And then it turns

00:45:46.639 --> 00:45:48.760
out in a fight. So you shouldn't be in the gym

00:45:48.760 --> 00:45:51.500
saying, I've been hit too much because you shouldn't

00:45:51.500 --> 00:45:52.920
get hit because that should be the objective

00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:56.480
of fighting, not to get hit as much as you believe

00:45:56.480 --> 00:45:59.059
you are. What do you say to a fighter that sees

00:45:59.059 --> 00:46:01.380
themselves getting hit too much, though, in sparring?

00:46:01.500 --> 00:46:03.739
Do you tell them to take some time off or do

00:46:03.739 --> 00:46:06.199
you say? You know what I say? I try to teach

00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:10.119
him how not to avoid those punches. And if he

00:46:10.119 --> 00:46:12.670
doesn't. I don't really want to have much to

00:46:12.670 --> 00:46:14.250
do with somebody because I don't want to be involved

00:46:14.250 --> 00:46:16.469
with somebody getting hit and getting hurt and

00:46:16.469 --> 00:46:18.809
stuff like that. Well, I know you were doing

00:46:18.809 --> 00:46:23.010
a lot of coaching of just even little small sessions

00:46:23.010 --> 00:46:25.289
with different fighters. There's a bunch of stuff

00:46:25.289 --> 00:46:27.789
on the Internet. Did you think about doing that

00:46:27.789 --> 00:46:30.610
in the future? No, not at this moment. It just

00:46:30.610 --> 00:46:34.210
takes a really special person to do that. You've

00:46:34.210 --> 00:46:36.489
got to be a mother, a father, a psychiatrist,

00:46:36.849 --> 00:46:39.889
a dietician. It's just so many hats you have

00:46:39.889 --> 00:46:43.119
to wear. being a trainer a good trainer a true

00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:45.199
trainer to yourself and your fighters it's just

00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:47.500
a lot of hats that's really overwhelming for

00:46:47.500 --> 00:46:50.300
me and my personality i totally can understand

00:46:50.300 --> 00:46:53.099
that but i would also imagine that in your mind

00:46:53.099 --> 00:46:55.860
there's some knowledge that i would love to see

00:46:55.860 --> 00:46:58.659
passed on to other fighters in a way like a trainer

00:46:58.659 --> 00:47:00.800
only a trainer can do yeah i'm the kind of guy

00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:02.280
if you want to learn from me you got to learn

00:47:02.280 --> 00:47:04.039
from a distance let me talk to you or something

00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:08.010
because I'm not like Cuss. Cuss would never get

00:47:08.010 --> 00:47:10.829
tired answering questions. Sometimes my son asks

00:47:10.829 --> 00:47:12.630
me, so I say, why do you guys have so many? Because

00:47:12.630 --> 00:47:15.289
that's the way I was with Cuss. Right. Constantly.

00:47:15.289 --> 00:47:17.250
But I'm not Cuss. Cuss would never get, he would

00:47:17.250 --> 00:47:19.250
love to answer all my questions because Cuss

00:47:19.250 --> 00:47:22.210
wanted the perception that he knew everything

00:47:22.210 --> 00:47:24.269
and you should listen to him and take his advice

00:47:24.269 --> 00:47:27.559
because he knew everything. Yeah. You know, that's

00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:29.320
what it's like. If you was his friend, you always

00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:31.420
came to him for advice. He always wanted advice,

00:47:31.539 --> 00:47:33.920
wanted to give his advice and let you know that

00:47:33.920 --> 00:47:35.820
he was a superior thinker and that you should

00:47:35.820 --> 00:47:38.099
come to him and he'll settle your problems. That's

00:47:38.099 --> 00:47:40.659
just what he was. You know, do you ever think

00:47:40.659 --> 00:47:44.460
back on your life, like your life with Cuss and

00:47:44.460 --> 00:47:47.840
just the story, the origin story, is almost like

00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:49.860
a movie. It's almost too crazy. No, no, no, no.

00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:52.360
Let me tell you what happened, man. I'm in spa

00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:56.199
fit detention for boys. And Muhammad Ali, they

00:47:56.199 --> 00:47:58.119
showed the movie The Greatest. It's like 77,

00:47:58.340 --> 00:48:02.380
76, I'm 11 years. They played Ali. And then Ali

00:48:02.380 --> 00:48:05.380
walks in and talks to the kids. And I saw him

00:48:05.380 --> 00:48:06.719
and I saw everybody going crazy. I said, I want

00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:09.659
to be like him. And from there, I go upstate

00:48:09.659 --> 00:48:12.039
New York. There's a guy that used to be a professional

00:48:12.039 --> 00:48:15.239
boxer named Bobby Stewart. Mr. Stewart taught

00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:18.400
me how to box. And eventually he said, I want

00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:19.920
to introduce you. So he took me upstate on my

00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:22.400
custom model. This is all in a couple of months

00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:25.550
since I've seen Ali. And now I'm training to

00:48:25.550 --> 00:48:30.289
be a boxer. Crazy. And you were 13, right? No,

00:48:30.389 --> 00:48:35.449
I was... I would think I was 13, yeah. Look,

00:48:35.550 --> 00:48:39.550
that's like a movie. No, I knew I was going to

00:48:39.550 --> 00:48:42.590
be successful. I knew everything was going to

00:48:42.590 --> 00:48:45.550
go right. I knew it. It was in my blood. I was

00:48:45.550 --> 00:48:47.269
only a kid, but I said, I want to be like that

00:48:47.269 --> 00:48:51.190
guy. And I just started working. And it's such

00:48:51.190 --> 00:48:55.000
an amazing... Listen, not even... Not even three

00:48:55.000 --> 00:48:57.360
or four months after I saw Ali, boom, boom, boom,

00:48:57.440 --> 00:49:00.000
boom, boom, I met him. I'm in one place, I had

00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:03.139
a fight, trying to stab a guy, and I did it with

00:49:03.139 --> 00:49:05.780
a pencil or something. I go from there, and I

00:49:05.780 --> 00:49:08.760
go over to this bad place called Elmwood, this

00:49:08.760 --> 00:49:10.360
cottage, that's where Bobby Stewart, because

00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:12.440
he's a fighter, and he had to take care of these,

00:49:12.500 --> 00:49:14.659
all the staff, they're big straw men, because

00:49:14.659 --> 00:49:17.599
they have to take care of these very interesting

00:49:17.599 --> 00:49:21.639
kids, you know, like... Homicide. These are kids,

00:49:21.739 --> 00:49:26.570
but they're really wild. And so... That's the

00:49:26.570 --> 00:49:28.530
job. We're in the wild. We're in the bad college,

00:49:28.670 --> 00:49:32.449
the lock -up college, Elmwood. And so we have

00:49:32.449 --> 00:49:34.530
the bad remnants. That's the crazy kid college.

00:49:34.650 --> 00:49:37.329
It gets the lockdown. No one can go outside like

00:49:37.329 --> 00:49:39.650
we. They got to be handcuffed when they leave

00:49:39.650 --> 00:49:43.210
the cottage and stuff. And so that's where I've

00:49:43.210 --> 00:49:46.389
gotten my tutelage. That's where I learned to

00:49:46.389 --> 00:49:48.250
go to school. That's where I've learned everything

00:49:48.250 --> 00:49:50.250
in this bad boy place, this place where all the

00:49:50.250 --> 00:49:54.349
bad kids at. And since they had to have extreme

00:49:54.349 --> 00:49:57.219
kind of, Guards did security. Mr. Stewart was

00:49:57.219 --> 00:49:59.920
a professional boxer, and he would teach the

00:49:59.920 --> 00:50:02.059
kids how to box. They behaved themselves and

00:50:02.059 --> 00:50:04.800
got on a certain level in which you can go back

00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:07.800
there and box. And guys were coming back to their

00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:09.699
domes. I was locked up. I wasn't on the level

00:50:09.699 --> 00:50:11.380
to go to because I had just got there, so they

00:50:11.380 --> 00:50:14.710
put me in the back to lock you up too. They see

00:50:14.710 --> 00:50:16.369
what kind of person you are, so they put you

00:50:16.369 --> 00:50:18.949
in the group. And I see these guys coming back

00:50:18.949 --> 00:50:21.130
with their eyes busted, teeth knocked out, their

00:50:21.130 --> 00:50:23.750
ribs sore, but they were happy. They're laughing

00:50:23.750 --> 00:50:26.050
about this. Yo, he fucked you up. Yo, baby, you

00:50:26.050 --> 00:50:28.210
almost got him. And I say, yo, what's going on

00:50:28.210 --> 00:50:29.449
and what's happening? They say, oh, we're fighting,

00:50:29.550 --> 00:50:32.199
Mr. Stewart. We're boxing, Mr. Stewart. And stuff,

00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:34.639
and they're happy with them bleeding, tooth knocked

00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:37.039
out. But they were happy, and there was enthusiasm.

00:50:37.159 --> 00:50:39.059
I said, I wanted to do that, too, because I wanted

00:50:39.059 --> 00:50:41.079
to be tough. And so Mr. Stewart, I talked to

00:50:41.079 --> 00:50:43.000
him. He didn't want to teach me. So I started

00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:45.159
cleaning and being a real nice kid to everybody

00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:46.940
because I wanted to learn how to box. All the

00:50:46.940 --> 00:50:49.219
kids were happy, and he started teaching me how

00:50:49.219 --> 00:50:52.489
to box. It's crazy that you met Cuss, too, because

00:50:52.489 --> 00:50:54.289
out of all the people that you could meet, no

00:50:54.289 --> 00:50:56.769
one was better at the psychological game. Oh,

00:50:56.789 --> 00:50:58.750
I would never have been the champ if I wasn't

00:50:58.750 --> 00:51:02.289
for Cuss because he put stuff in my mind. I started

00:51:02.289 --> 00:51:05.150
thinking about myself being these people, visualizing

00:51:05.150 --> 00:51:07.769
myself being, I don't know, great or somebody.

00:51:07.849 --> 00:51:11.210
I've never done that in my life. I've never heard,

00:51:11.250 --> 00:51:14.110
not even in the ghetto, somebody say this. Like,

00:51:14.110 --> 00:51:15.829
I said, wow, he's great. Like, I'm talking about,

00:51:15.889 --> 00:51:18.369
like, Holmes. I said, wow, he's incredible. He

00:51:18.369 --> 00:51:20.969
said, why is he incredible? I don't think it's

00:51:20.969 --> 00:51:23.309
that incredible. Why shouldn't you have that?

00:51:23.349 --> 00:51:25.110
Why should he have that and not you? I've never

00:51:25.110 --> 00:51:29.050
heard somebody say that to me. But Cuss was a

00:51:29.050 --> 00:51:32.869
master at the psychological game. Master. You

00:51:32.869 --> 00:51:35.289
would hear him talk about things, just reading

00:51:35.289 --> 00:51:37.809
the things that he's written about the psychology

00:51:37.809 --> 00:51:40.289
of fighting. He was the perfect guy for you.

00:51:40.369 --> 00:51:42.070
It was almost like the stars aligned. That's

00:51:42.070 --> 00:51:45.579
what I'm talking about. Yeah. It really is like

00:51:45.579 --> 00:51:48.400
a movie. It really is like it all lined up. And

00:51:48.400 --> 00:51:52.139
plus, physically, you were so unusual. You were

00:51:52.139 --> 00:51:54.280
so unusual, so gifted. I mean, even when you

00:51:54.280 --> 00:51:55.860
were really young. Everybody told him that he

00:51:55.860 --> 00:51:59.900
can't be everybody. He's too small. There's no

00:51:59.900 --> 00:52:02.019
way in the world he can be too short because

00:52:02.019 --> 00:52:07.719
he's too small. He's got to be 225, 230. Well,

00:52:07.860 --> 00:52:10.260
obviously they were wrong. Big time. But it was

00:52:10.260 --> 00:52:14.610
also, you might have been short, but. You have

00:52:14.610 --> 00:52:17.710
the best style, and Cuss developed that with

00:52:17.710 --> 00:52:20.130
you, the best style to deal with the fact that

00:52:20.130 --> 00:52:21.710
you were shorter, the bobbing and the weaving,

00:52:21.710 --> 00:52:23.829
the constant pressure. Exactly. But I believe

00:52:23.829 --> 00:52:29.409
style is relevant. I believe it's the morale

00:52:29.409 --> 00:52:33.610
behind the style. I think success in fighting

00:52:33.610 --> 00:52:37.570
in life is about desire and the will. Yeah. How

00:52:37.570 --> 00:52:40.639
bad do you want it? Is it worth dying for? That's

00:52:40.639 --> 00:52:42.739
his true greatness is the willingness to die.

00:52:42.860 --> 00:52:47.300
So this thing worth greatness. The mindset that

00:52:47.300 --> 00:52:50.159
he instilled in you and the way he gave you the

00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:52.980
tools in order to think about things in a way

00:52:52.980 --> 00:52:55.780
that fueled that mindset. Yeah, but that doesn't

00:52:55.780 --> 00:52:58.380
do good in the real world, though. It really

00:52:58.380 --> 00:53:01.460
is really disastrous in the real world. Right,

00:53:01.539 --> 00:53:03.940
right. You know? Yeah. That is true, right? That

00:53:03.940 --> 00:53:07.019
too, yeah. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? It's like

00:53:07.019 --> 00:53:10.710
the very thing that made you special. could fuck

00:53:10.710 --> 00:53:12.989
you in the real world with regular people. Ooh,

00:53:13.050 --> 00:53:15.469
the real world. Guys like that go to prison.

00:53:15.570 --> 00:53:17.329
They don't exist in the real world. They got

00:53:17.329 --> 00:53:19.710
to take them out of there. It's crazy. They have

00:53:19.710 --> 00:53:22.170
to remove them from the real world, those kind

00:53:22.170 --> 00:53:24.289
of people like myself. Isn't that what's crazy?

00:53:24.389 --> 00:53:26.210
That's where the crazy adjustment has to come

00:53:26.210 --> 00:53:28.349
in, where you have to learn how to be. And that's

00:53:28.349 --> 00:53:30.050
where cannabis helped you a lot, too. A lot.

00:53:30.170 --> 00:53:35.710
Oh, man, forget it. Forget it. Forget it. But

00:53:35.710 --> 00:53:37.230
now you're not smoking any weed getting ready

00:53:37.230 --> 00:53:40.849
for this fight. No, no, no. Do you miss it? Well,

00:53:40.849 --> 00:53:44.269
I understand the discipline of this stuff. But

00:53:44.269 --> 00:53:47.269
what I don't like about it is just that without

00:53:47.269 --> 00:53:50.030
cannabis, it doesn't matter to me. I just get

00:53:50.030 --> 00:53:53.630
mean. I don't like the mean stuff. I don't like

00:53:53.630 --> 00:53:55.789
I might snap at my wife or my kids. That's what

00:53:55.789 --> 00:53:59.190
I don't like. Right. What? Right, right, right.

00:53:59.469 --> 00:54:01.989
Well, I see the sparkle in your eye again. It's

00:54:01.989 --> 00:54:03.869
a little different right now than the last time

00:54:03.869 --> 00:54:06.110
I was talking to you. There's a little more intensity

00:54:06.110 --> 00:54:09.070
going on. But it's also you're ramping up. Yeah,

00:54:09.150 --> 00:54:14.230
you know, I'm just always, sometimes I get beside

00:54:14.230 --> 00:54:19.309
myself and I forget that I have to be grateful

00:54:19.309 --> 00:54:22.389
for what I love, what God did in general, and

00:54:22.389 --> 00:54:27.300
sometimes... I get caught up into my ego. So

00:54:27.300 --> 00:54:29.579
it's just a struggle, but I'm working on it.

00:54:29.659 --> 00:54:32.000
I never worked on it before, so that's a start,

00:54:32.139 --> 00:54:35.400
right? I never considered working on it. But

00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:37.420
that is the thing, right? What gets you to be

00:54:37.420 --> 00:54:39.320
a championship -level fighter can really fuck

00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:41.179
you up for the rest of your life. Oh, I can't

00:54:41.179 --> 00:54:43.119
believe it. I'm so happy my wife is still with

00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:45.599
me. I'm just very grateful because I'm just useless

00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:50.219
and stuff. I have to learn how to live life.

00:54:50.739 --> 00:54:54.579
Life, I'm disastrous in living life. Fucking

00:54:54.579 --> 00:54:57.519
joke. I get it, man. You would never believe.

00:54:57.840 --> 00:54:59.199
I would believe. You know, I'm using these nice

00:54:59.199 --> 00:55:01.400
words and I'm conducting myself. You come to

00:55:01.400 --> 00:55:04.260
my nice house and you would say, this guy is

00:55:04.260 --> 00:55:08.000
just an uncouth Neanderthal. You know, so I used

00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:10.960
to listen to my wife when people think it's stupid.

00:55:11.099 --> 00:55:12.960
I listen to this, right? So she told me before

00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:16.579
I came in, be kind and be nice to everyone. Be

00:55:16.579 --> 00:55:19.699
kind and nice. Because I don't eat most of the

00:55:19.699 --> 00:55:21.920
time. I only eat after I work. And if I don't

00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:23.539
eat enough, she says she's going to get angry.

00:55:23.559 --> 00:55:25.880
can you please eat so she's forcing me to eat

00:55:25.880 --> 00:55:28.880
this stuff for Friday goodness and so I said

00:55:28.880 --> 00:55:31.840
okay I eat but she's right because of the time

00:55:31.840 --> 00:55:35.659
we've been married 11 years you got a good one

00:55:35.659 --> 00:55:37.559
then man you got someone who balances you out

00:55:37.559 --> 00:55:41.059
someone who understands you yeah I don't know

00:55:41.059 --> 00:55:42.880
listen I was talking to her so you know sometimes

00:55:44.329 --> 00:55:46.730
Sometimes I think about we're together and this

00:55:46.730 --> 00:55:48.690
is going to be over soon and we're going to die.

00:55:48.789 --> 00:55:50.730
One of us is going to die before the other one.

00:55:50.789 --> 00:55:53.190
I would not know what to do if you died first.

00:55:53.489 --> 00:55:55.550
Wow. And I had to take care of these kids because

00:55:55.550 --> 00:55:58.510
her whole life is me and all my kids. Right.

00:55:58.610 --> 00:56:02.050
Her life is me and not only the two kids that

00:56:02.050 --> 00:56:05.289
we have, but her life is me and all my kids.

00:56:05.570 --> 00:56:12.809
Right. I would just love her and marry her just

00:56:12.809 --> 00:56:16.889
for that alone. No pussy, no passion, no sex,

00:56:16.989 --> 00:56:20.670
that alone. Yeah. Yeah, that's beautiful, man.

00:56:20.949 --> 00:56:23.309
To find someone who balances you out like that.

00:56:24.190 --> 00:56:27.570
Absolutely. But that, what we were talking about,

00:56:27.710 --> 00:56:32.130
where the very fire that gets you to be Mike

00:56:32.130 --> 00:56:35.110
Tyson, that turns you into this destroyer inside

00:56:35.110 --> 00:56:38.230
the ring, will, if you don't learn how to control

00:56:38.230 --> 00:56:41.460
it, will fuck you up in every other aspect. For

00:56:41.460 --> 00:56:45.500
instance, after my one -round fights, some of

00:56:45.500 --> 00:56:47.480
them caused me loss because right after that,

00:56:47.559 --> 00:56:49.880
you think I'm calmed down. You think after 30

00:56:49.880 --> 00:56:52.840
seconds or 45 seconds, hey, he's cool. After

00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:54.679
one round, everything's cool. He's happy. It's

00:56:54.679 --> 00:56:57.719
over. It's still ringing. It's revving up. It's

00:56:57.719 --> 00:56:59.599
still revved. It's not finished. It's not dead.

00:56:59.659 --> 00:57:02.179
The energy's not dead. Not the energy that you

00:57:02.179 --> 00:57:04.440
jet. The energy of hurting somebody or continuing

00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:06.679
to hit somebody. It's revved up. Right. And so

00:57:06.679 --> 00:57:09.559
the first thing you hear that indicates... It's

00:57:09.559 --> 00:57:12.400
not, hey, what? It's just off. You have no control

00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:15.099
over it. And it's almost like you're insane.

00:57:15.340 --> 00:57:17.380
Like, why can't I stop this? Why is this happening

00:57:17.380 --> 00:57:23.480
to me? Why am I in jail right now? And you're

00:57:23.480 --> 00:57:25.239
Mike Tyson, so it's not like anybody can tell

00:57:25.239 --> 00:57:27.119
you not to do it. Or anybody can tell you to

00:57:27.119 --> 00:57:29.659
shut up or calm down. You're not going to listen

00:57:29.659 --> 00:57:31.320
to anybody. You're the fucking king of the world.

00:57:32.199 --> 00:57:34.179
But it just gets crazy when the people on the...

00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:37.840
jail and prison know you real well you know they're

00:57:37.840 --> 00:57:39.500
familiar with you like when they see you they're

00:57:39.500 --> 00:57:42.739
not excited now right yeah they get really familiar

00:57:42.739 --> 00:57:46.420
with you um jamie foxx is gonna play you in a

00:57:46.420 --> 00:57:48.360
movie that's gonna be interesting that's gonna

00:57:48.360 --> 00:57:51.199
be interesting that's wild if anybody can do

00:57:51.199 --> 00:57:53.760
it jamie foxx can do it That's a talented man.

00:57:54.000 --> 00:57:55.940
He's really good at what he does. He's fucking

00:57:55.940 --> 00:57:58.900
talented. That guy can do anything. He's one

00:57:58.900 --> 00:58:00.920
of those dudes, you listen to him sing, you hear

00:58:00.920 --> 00:58:02.820
him play music, you see him do stand -up comedy,

00:58:02.900 --> 00:58:04.599
then you see him act, you're like, this fucking

00:58:04.599 --> 00:58:07.199
guy can do anything. He's just one of those dudes

00:58:07.199 --> 00:58:09.519
that can just lock in on something and he can

00:58:09.519 --> 00:58:11.760
do anything. Yo, listen, when the light is on

00:58:11.760 --> 00:58:15.320
you, when the universe puts the light on you,

00:58:15.380 --> 00:58:17.300
there's nothing stronger than a person whose

00:58:17.300 --> 00:58:20.380
time has come. Yeah. It's all about the light,

00:58:20.460 --> 00:58:23.659
man. All of us get it. You may not think the

00:58:23.659 --> 00:58:26.519
homeless man on the corner, the blind and paralyzed

00:58:26.519 --> 00:58:29.760
guy that's begging with a cup. We all get that

00:58:29.760 --> 00:58:34.380
moment of shine. We all get it. Feelings, performance,

00:58:34.539 --> 00:58:38.019
whatever it is, we all get it. Now, when Jamie

00:58:38.019 --> 00:58:40.099
is playing you, what does that feel like? I know.

00:58:40.670 --> 00:58:43.170
Michael Jai White played you once. Yeah. Did

00:58:43.170 --> 00:58:45.150
you talk to him about that? No, I didn't know

00:58:45.150 --> 00:58:47.630
him or anything. I was in jail when this guy

00:58:47.630 --> 00:58:49.969
was doing this stuff. Do you know Michael Jai?

00:58:50.090 --> 00:58:52.610
I met him a few times. He's a great guy. He appears

00:58:52.610 --> 00:58:55.010
to be. Very, very nice guy. I've known him for

00:58:55.010 --> 00:58:57.690
a long time. And very respectful guy, too. But

00:58:57.690 --> 00:59:00.730
was it weird watching someone play you? Dig,

00:59:00.730 --> 00:59:08.309
man. No. No? No, no. It's just that ego shit

00:59:08.309 --> 00:59:11.550
kicked in, so I'm watching it. And he had some

00:59:11.550 --> 00:59:14.070
good qualities in it. He did some really good

00:59:14.070 --> 00:59:17.989
stuff that I thought. But the stuff that he did

00:59:17.989 --> 00:59:20.190
that represented me, I don't think people even

00:59:20.190 --> 00:59:24.050
picked up on it. Like what kind of stuff? It's

00:59:24.050 --> 00:59:26.829
the way he moved his head. Yeah. People don't

00:59:26.829 --> 00:59:28.789
know I crack my neck all the time. Yeah, what

00:59:28.789 --> 00:59:30.329
was that about? You were always doing that. I

00:59:30.329 --> 00:59:32.210
don't know. I don't know what had happened. When

00:59:32.210 --> 00:59:35.590
I had fought Bone Crusher, Smithy had hit me.

00:59:35.650 --> 00:59:36.769
And the next thing I know, I don't know how to

00:59:36.769 --> 00:59:39.780
crack my neck. I couldn't stop. My neck was messed

00:59:39.780 --> 00:59:42.940
up, so I had to go in to a chiropractor. I don't

00:59:42.940 --> 00:59:44.840
know what the heck was wrong with it. So that

00:59:44.840 --> 00:59:46.679
was on the Kiva? It was a nerve. So it was from

00:59:46.679 --> 00:59:48.519
the bone crusher Smith? Well, that's when I started

00:59:48.519 --> 00:59:51.539
doing it. Oh, wow. I had some nerves, a nerve

00:59:51.539 --> 00:59:56.340
that was like, ah. Did you ever have neck problems?

00:59:56.360 --> 00:59:58.159
Like, you needed surgery or anything? Yeah, I

00:59:58.159 --> 01:00:00.039
had surgery on my neck. You know the Hawaii?

01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:02.659
You remember when I used to do those rolls on

01:00:02.659 --> 01:00:06.019
my head? Yes. The football rolls. They destroyed

01:00:06.019 --> 01:00:08.300
me. They destroy your neck. I would do them for

01:00:08.300 --> 01:00:11.199
three minutes, then stop a minute, do them for

01:00:11.199 --> 01:00:12.820
three minutes. So I'd do them for five or six,

01:00:12.840 --> 01:00:15.860
eight rounds. And as time went on, they just

01:00:15.860 --> 01:00:18.519
beat me up. That gave you a crazy fucking neck,

01:00:18.539 --> 01:00:20.780
though, man. Your neck used to start at your

01:00:20.780 --> 01:00:25.119
temples and just go straight down. For fighting,

01:00:25.260 --> 01:00:27.179
you need a good neck. Are you doing anything

01:00:27.179 --> 01:00:28.579
to strengthen your neck now? Yes, I have the

01:00:28.579 --> 01:00:31.739
weight stuff. You ever use an iron neck? Do you

01:00:31.739 --> 01:00:34.139
know that device? No. It's a halo. I'll give

01:00:34.139 --> 01:00:36.320
you one. I have one in the back. It's a halo.

01:00:36.539 --> 01:00:38.480
You put it on. You pump it up. It fits around

01:00:38.480 --> 01:00:40.380
your head. And then it's got a bungee cord on

01:00:40.380 --> 01:00:42.699
it. So you back up like this. The bungee cord's

01:00:42.699 --> 01:00:47.079
50 pounds. And then you do these. And because

01:00:47.079 --> 01:00:49.480
it doesn't do this with your neck, it doesn't

01:00:49.480 --> 01:00:51.719
put pressure on the discs. So it doesn't move

01:00:51.719 --> 01:00:53.840
the discs in an unnatural way with weight. This

01:00:53.840 --> 01:00:56.260
way? Yeah, because you can do all these different

01:00:56.260 --> 01:00:59.840
exercises on it, but it doesn't ever bend your

01:00:59.840 --> 01:01:03.019
discs. So it strengthens the neck without doing

01:01:03.019 --> 01:01:05.599
damage to your discs. That sounds interesting.

01:01:05.840 --> 01:01:08.239
You know what I have? I would love that. Yeah.

01:01:08.280 --> 01:01:12.369
Thank you. I really appreciate it. What's the

01:01:12.369 --> 01:01:16.289
name? I have a treadmill that you have to put

01:01:16.289 --> 01:01:19.730
on some shorts first. And then you zip it. Oh,

01:01:19.809 --> 01:01:21.809
in the water? No, it's not water. You put on

01:01:21.809 --> 01:01:25.429
some shorts. You zip the shorts with the plastic

01:01:25.429 --> 01:01:28.150
that covers the machine. And you start running.

01:01:28.210 --> 01:01:29.989
And then you can run as fast as you can. You

01:01:29.989 --> 01:01:33.960
won't feel anything. But it's not water inside

01:01:33.960 --> 01:01:36.099
of it? No, it's running on a treadmill. It's

01:01:36.099 --> 01:01:38.280
under plastic, and it's zipped up around you.

01:01:38.280 --> 01:01:40.579
This thing right here? Zero gravity treadmill,

01:01:40.739 --> 01:01:43.360
is that it? That's what it is, yeah. Oh. How's

01:01:43.360 --> 01:01:45.900
that working? That's pretty awesome. You don't

01:01:45.900 --> 01:01:47.780
feel anything. Then you take the pencil. If you

01:01:47.780 --> 01:01:49.539
feel a little sexy, boom, you might fall to the

01:01:49.539 --> 01:01:52.320
floor. Really? Yeah, it's really cool. So this

01:01:52.320 --> 01:01:54.780
way it doesn't beat up your joints. Yeah. But

01:01:54.780 --> 01:01:56.500
listen, this is what people don't understand.

01:01:56.940 --> 01:01:58.579
Yeah, you have a machine that don't beat up,

01:01:58.599 --> 01:02:01.619
but when you're running outside... The high of

01:02:01.619 --> 01:02:03.440
running outside is almost worth messing your

01:02:03.440 --> 01:02:07.199
joints up. Really? Yeah. The high you get from

01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:09.079
running outside. What's the difference between

01:02:09.079 --> 01:02:10.320
the high you get from running outside? You never

01:02:10.320 --> 01:02:11.920
felt that running? I do. I do run outside. But,

01:02:11.980 --> 01:02:18.420
like, what do you feel? Man, it's just, I can't

01:02:18.420 --> 01:02:21.300
even articulate it. Between being outside running

01:02:21.300 --> 01:02:27.639
and, it's like night and day. Being inside the

01:02:27.639 --> 01:02:29.599
house on the treadmill and being outside running,

01:02:29.840 --> 01:02:31.760
it's like night and day. You can't even compare

01:02:31.760 --> 01:02:34.739
the two. Is it because you're moving, you're

01:02:34.739 --> 01:02:36.679
traveling distance? Is it because you're breathing

01:02:36.679 --> 01:02:39.179
in the fresh air? It's a spiritual difference.

01:02:40.699 --> 01:02:43.019
It's just a spiritual difference. Running, hearing

01:02:43.019 --> 01:02:46.219
the birds, hearing whatever it is the animal

01:02:46.219 --> 01:02:48.360
is running through, breaking the sticks and the

01:02:48.360 --> 01:02:51.510
weeds. You're just conscious of everything. Right.

01:02:51.630 --> 01:02:53.989
It's real running as opposed to just exercise

01:02:53.989 --> 01:02:56.809
on a machine. Exactly. Even if you have a headphone

01:02:56.809 --> 01:02:58.670
on, you're still conscious of everything out

01:02:58.670 --> 01:03:03.269
there. Now, have you talked to Jamie Foxx? Yeah.

01:03:03.570 --> 01:03:05.670
While he's getting ready to do this? I talk to

01:03:05.670 --> 01:03:07.710
Jamie periodically, all the time. We don't even

01:03:07.710 --> 01:03:09.889
talk about the film. Really? Yeah, we don't talk

01:03:09.889 --> 01:03:12.190
about it. Now, he's getting bulked up, too. He's

01:03:12.190 --> 01:03:15.510
getting jacked. He looks huge. I just wait till

01:03:15.510 --> 01:03:17.449
he's finished. When is this supposed to take

01:03:17.449 --> 01:03:19.809
place? Whenever he's ready, I guess. Oh, wow.

01:03:20.320 --> 01:03:23.699
That's wild. So when he gets ready to do it,

01:03:23.719 --> 01:03:25.420
is he going to hang out with you and try to take

01:03:25.420 --> 01:03:28.099
on your mannerisms? Well, he's known me for quite

01:03:28.099 --> 01:03:30.500
a long time, so he knows my mannerism. He's not

01:03:30.500 --> 01:03:34.679
going to—if I died, he can do me. Right, right.

01:03:34.800 --> 01:03:36.360
Pretty much, you know, so he wouldn't have to

01:03:36.360 --> 01:03:40.260
be around me. Do you want to help him? Do you

01:03:40.260 --> 01:03:42.400
want to give him any pointers or anything? Whatever

01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:45.079
help and what areas and what direction he needs

01:03:45.079 --> 01:03:48.710
me to help him in, yeah. I'm capable of doing

01:03:48.710 --> 01:03:50.429
it, yeah. If you're going to have someone play

01:03:50.429 --> 01:03:52.809
you, I think he's the perfect person. He's just

01:03:52.809 --> 01:03:54.710
good. And there's other guys too, but he just

01:03:54.710 --> 01:03:58.429
knows the real. He has been there. It's hard

01:03:58.429 --> 01:04:02.150
to get a guy that's just 20 years old and then

01:04:02.150 --> 01:04:05.130
we're going to have him portrayed as a 25. And

01:04:05.130 --> 01:04:07.449
he just never gets it right. When somebody understands

01:04:07.449 --> 01:04:10.269
the environment that they lived in at that particular

01:04:10.269 --> 01:04:13.269
time and they create that environment again in

01:04:13.269 --> 01:04:16.170
their mind once they're under the influence of

01:04:16.170 --> 01:04:19.119
that. person they're portraying, Jamie's going

01:04:19.119 --> 01:04:21.139
to get some knocking out the park. No, he'll

01:04:21.139 --> 01:04:22.820
knock it out the park for sure. He understands

01:04:22.820 --> 01:04:25.460
that environment and that chemistry he's going

01:04:25.460 --> 01:04:31.239
to reconnect. Now, are you going to be a consultant

01:04:31.239 --> 01:04:33.139
on this move or anything to make sure that it's

01:04:33.139 --> 01:04:36.280
all legit? Listen, Jamie will be around me. He'll

01:04:36.280 --> 01:04:39.280
discuss it with me. I'm sure we have that taken

01:04:39.280 --> 01:04:41.539
care of as well. But, you know, we're just going

01:04:41.539 --> 01:04:44.599
to work this out the best way possible for both

01:04:44.599 --> 01:04:47.889
of us, I believe. Now, is it supposed to follow

01:04:47.889 --> 01:04:49.849
you when you're a young man, or is it supposed

01:04:49.849 --> 01:04:52.230
to be you as a champion? Well, we're not going

01:04:52.230 --> 01:04:54.130
to talk about that right now. It's going to be

01:04:54.130 --> 01:04:55.630
a bunch of stuff, but you're going to really

01:04:55.630 --> 01:04:58.250
dig it. I'm going to tell them some really interesting

01:04:58.250 --> 01:05:01.889
stuff. So you're saying that running outside,

01:05:02.170 --> 01:05:04.829
it's worth it just for the spiritual difference.

01:05:04.949 --> 01:05:06.849
It's worth the beating up on the joints. Does

01:05:06.849 --> 01:05:09.869
it fuck with your joints? Do you have knee problems

01:05:09.869 --> 01:05:14.739
or ankle problems these days? Yeah, I do. But

01:05:14.739 --> 01:05:17.420
the guys I work with, they take care of that

01:05:17.420 --> 01:05:21.739
right away. You know, it's almost like, it's

01:05:21.739 --> 01:05:26.880
like, I don't know. It's like, I don't know,

01:05:26.900 --> 01:05:29.059
I want to say healing like I'm 18, but it's almost

01:05:29.059 --> 01:05:33.300
like putting super glue on your joints. All right?

01:05:33.380 --> 01:05:34.900
You know, like Superglue, and it gets stuck in

01:05:34.900 --> 01:05:36.719
your finger. You're like, oh, fuck, get the Superglue.

01:05:36.820 --> 01:05:38.139
You know, remember that time you put it in and

01:05:38.139 --> 01:05:39.360
it gets stuck in your finger? Like, God, you

01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:42.400
can't get it off. It's like Superglue. It is

01:05:42.400 --> 01:05:44.500
interesting what they can do today. Like, you

01:05:44.500 --> 01:05:47.039
could heal and recover way better than you ever

01:05:47.039 --> 01:05:49.420
could before. There was no 54 -year -old men

01:05:49.420 --> 01:05:52.059
that looked like you when we were kids. No, no.

01:05:52.380 --> 01:05:54.860
Jack LaLanne was the only one. Yeah, and even

01:05:54.860 --> 01:05:56.860
Jack LaLanne, I mean, he was kind of fit, but

01:05:56.860 --> 01:05:58.639
he was just fit because he was disciplined. Yes.

01:05:58.800 --> 01:06:00.840
Because he continued to exercise deep into his

01:06:00.840 --> 01:06:02.550
90s. What discipline was all about. I don't care

01:06:02.550 --> 01:06:04.110
how good you are in anything. You don't have

01:06:04.110 --> 01:06:06.849
discipline. You ain't nobody. Right. You're nothing

01:06:06.849 --> 01:06:08.989
without discipline because you give up on the

01:06:08.989 --> 01:06:11.449
slightest struggle without discipline. 100%.

01:06:11.449 --> 01:06:15.289
And that has to be something that you also learn

01:06:15.289 --> 01:06:17.510
from Cuss as well. I don't know what discipline

01:06:17.510 --> 01:06:19.110
is. I don't know what discipline is. He told

01:06:19.110 --> 01:06:21.210
me discipline is doing what you hate to do, but

01:06:21.210 --> 01:06:25.369
do it like you love it. Ah. Doing what you hate

01:06:25.369 --> 01:06:28.809
to do, but do it like you love it. That is a

01:06:28.809 --> 01:06:31.929
great quote. And if you can do that, you could

01:06:31.929 --> 01:06:33.710
be successful in anything. Well, you normally

01:06:33.710 --> 01:06:36.489
are. You'd be the best janitor in the history

01:06:36.489 --> 01:06:39.909
of janitors. Yeah. And I use that for a perspective,

01:06:40.070 --> 01:06:42.750
not just putting those janitors down. Yeah. You

01:06:42.750 --> 01:06:45.329
know, the best of it. I know what you're saying.

01:06:46.329 --> 01:06:49.670
When all is said and done, I would love it if

01:06:49.670 --> 01:06:53.590
someone sat down with you and made maybe a book

01:06:53.590 --> 01:06:57.980
of all the things that Cuss taught you. I don't

01:06:57.980 --> 01:07:00.659
know. All those things that Cuss taught me nowadays

01:07:00.659 --> 01:07:03.960
would not be cool. In what way? I don't know.

01:07:04.099 --> 01:07:08.179
Cuss was born in 1908. In 1908, they had a different

01:07:08.179 --> 01:07:11.199
opinion of people having opinions like women

01:07:11.199 --> 01:07:17.360
and stuff like that. And Cuss, Cuss believing

01:07:17.360 --> 01:07:21.099
that he cared for the downtrodden people and

01:07:21.099 --> 01:07:23.559
this and that for the blacks and Latinos and

01:07:23.559 --> 01:07:29.210
Irish people who are being... abused by the Irish

01:07:29.210 --> 01:07:32.449
people of that time, which is crazy. He really

01:07:32.449 --> 01:07:37.389
was that guy. He was the guy that fought for

01:07:37.389 --> 01:07:41.889
the people that didn't have anyone to fight for

01:07:41.889 --> 01:07:44.610
them. He was just that guy. He wanted to be that

01:07:44.610 --> 01:07:46.809
person. He wanted to be a person that people

01:07:46.809 --> 01:07:49.329
looked up to, and he was the boss and stuff.

01:07:49.570 --> 01:07:51.760
He just wanted to be a person. And when I read

01:07:51.760 --> 01:07:54.400
his book and I found out about him, he was successful

01:07:54.400 --> 01:07:56.880
his whole life. He was always the guy in the

01:07:56.880 --> 01:07:58.900
neighborhood that people came to to settle beef

01:07:58.900 --> 01:08:01.880
and talk things over with and loan people stuff

01:08:01.880 --> 01:08:04.079
and help people out. And he liked being in that

01:08:04.079 --> 01:08:06.880
position of being able to teach people something,

01:08:06.960 --> 01:08:08.739
what he believed was teaching them something.

01:08:09.039 --> 01:08:11.699
So he knew so much about the human mind. Well,

01:08:11.719 --> 01:08:14.400
when he died, this is very interesting. When

01:08:14.400 --> 01:08:18.359
he died and Camille was there, I lived with him

01:08:18.359 --> 01:08:21.670
and Camille. And I would clean the room, and

01:08:21.670 --> 01:08:23.569
when I saw it in the room, I saw all books about

01:08:23.569 --> 01:08:27.170
psychiatry and the mind and everything and mystic

01:08:27.170 --> 01:08:29.949
stuff and all that stuff. And I said, this is

01:08:29.949 --> 01:08:33.050
what he was really about. Yeah, he just, like,

01:08:33.109 --> 01:08:35.369
he believed he was a mystic believer as well.

01:08:35.369 --> 01:08:39.090
He believed in Zen and the art of archery and

01:08:39.090 --> 01:08:41.449
all that. He had those books. He was just a believer

01:08:41.449 --> 01:08:44.810
in more than what we saw. Yeah. You know, it

01:08:44.810 --> 01:08:48.560
was more than what we could physical. articulate

01:08:48.560 --> 01:08:51.659
going on with us as human beings of what we are

01:08:51.659 --> 01:08:54.680
called. When you sit back and you think about

01:08:54.680 --> 01:08:56.779
your career and how fortunate you were to run

01:08:56.779 --> 01:08:59.119
into that guy, I mean, how much did that play

01:08:59.119 --> 01:09:01.960
a part in your mind? Like, when you knocked out

01:09:01.960 --> 01:09:04.380
Trevor Burbick, became the youngest ever heavyweight

01:09:04.380 --> 01:09:06.640
champion, when you're thinking about that, did

01:09:06.640 --> 01:09:09.439
you ever stop and think, like, man, how lucky

01:09:09.439 --> 01:09:12.319
am I that I ran into that man? No, no. He said

01:09:12.319 --> 01:09:19.659
he summons me. He summoned you. Whoa. Makes sense.

01:09:20.560 --> 01:09:22.979
I mean, you think about a man whose life work

01:09:22.979 --> 01:09:26.399
involved psychiatry, involved the mind, boxing,

01:09:26.600 --> 01:09:30.039
hypnosis, training all these boxers, Floyd Patterson,

01:09:30.079 --> 01:09:33.119
had all these great fighters, and then he wants

01:09:33.119 --> 01:09:36.520
one great one before it's over, and he summoned

01:09:36.520 --> 01:09:42.239
you. No, he wants an animal. An animal. He summoned

01:09:42.239 --> 01:09:47.680
you. What did that feel like for you? Does it

01:09:47.680 --> 01:09:50.100
make sense? No, I believe what he told me. Yeah.

01:09:52.779 --> 01:09:55.800
I mean, I don't know if I believe you could summon

01:09:55.800 --> 01:09:58.739
someone, but goddamn, that seems like it's real.

01:09:59.020 --> 01:10:02.420
Yeah. That seems like it's real. I don't know.

01:10:02.460 --> 01:10:03.979
I think you can do whatever you believe you can

01:10:03.979 --> 01:10:08.060
do if you really believe it. Yeah. Well, that

01:10:08.060 --> 01:10:12.619
was what I got out of all the things that I read

01:10:12.619 --> 01:10:14.859
about you and him together and being able to

01:10:14.859 --> 01:10:18.159
talk to you about you and him. is that he gave

01:10:18.159 --> 01:10:21.079
you these tools to understand the way your mind

01:10:21.079 --> 01:10:24.720
worked, and you just ran with them. I'm an extreme

01:10:24.720 --> 01:10:27.380
kind of person, yeah, so I get carried away.

01:10:28.380 --> 01:10:32.939
If your confidence is not a delusional perspective,

01:10:33.420 --> 01:10:37.260
you have the right confidence. Yeah. You get

01:10:37.260 --> 01:10:39.979
so amped up, Mike, even sitting here talking

01:10:39.979 --> 01:10:41.579
to you about these things, I could see it in

01:10:41.579 --> 01:10:44.890
you. You get amped up even just talking about

01:10:44.890 --> 01:10:47.550
achieving things, talking about success, talking

01:10:47.550 --> 01:10:49.789
about the mind. You know, I could see it inside

01:10:49.789 --> 01:10:51.789
of you. You get very fired up about these things.

01:10:52.529 --> 01:10:55.850
Yeah. I have to be serious about anything that

01:10:55.850 --> 01:11:00.609
I want to accomplish. Yeah, that intensity is

01:11:00.609 --> 01:11:03.430
what made you special. I mean, that... I'm mean,

01:11:03.470 --> 01:11:04.890
Joe. I can't have people... This is the first

01:11:04.890 --> 01:11:07.029
time I had my wife and kids around me. Normally,

01:11:07.270 --> 01:11:09.149
this can't happen. I have to be away from them.

01:11:09.750 --> 01:11:13.520
For camp. Yeah. No, I can tell, man. You're different

01:11:13.520 --> 01:11:15.539
right now than the last time I saw you. I can

01:11:15.539 --> 01:11:18.039
tell you're ramping up for this fight. It's just

01:11:18.039 --> 01:11:21.439
what it is. I don't know if I like being who

01:11:21.439 --> 01:11:25.039
I am. It's just who I am. Are you planning on

01:11:25.039 --> 01:11:27.340
doing this and then seeing whether or not you're

01:11:27.340 --> 01:11:30.619
cool with it after it's over? And then maybe

01:11:30.619 --> 01:11:32.840
going back to the way you were? I just want to

01:11:32.840 --> 01:11:34.920
do it. You just want to do it? Yeah, let's just

01:11:34.920 --> 01:11:36.979
do it. Only think about that for now and then

01:11:36.979 --> 01:11:38.859
let all the chips fall where they may after it's

01:11:38.859 --> 01:11:42.210
over? I just do it. I just want to do it. I like

01:11:42.210 --> 01:11:44.069
doing it. I don't think it's going to be disastrous

01:11:44.069 --> 01:11:46.350
enough that this is going to be awesome and we're

01:11:46.350 --> 01:11:49.010
going to do it. I'm so glad you're doing it,

01:11:49.029 --> 01:11:51.029
man. There's a lot of people that had negative

01:11:51.029 --> 01:11:53.710
opinions about it. And I was like, listen. No,

01:11:54.149 --> 01:11:56.930
this is interesting. Okay. Just think about it.

01:11:57.470 --> 01:11:59.930
How old are you? You're not that old. I'm 53.

01:12:00.090 --> 01:12:01.529
I'm a year younger than you. Yeah, but listen.

01:12:01.550 --> 01:12:06.229
The fact is, like, when they said they can't

01:12:06.229 --> 01:12:09.090
get people on the moon. Because they didn't want

01:12:09.090 --> 01:12:11.210
to believe it. Because it's like they don't want

01:12:11.210 --> 01:12:13.289
to believe it. But what are they going to say

01:12:13.289 --> 01:12:17.289
when it happens? I think there's a difference

01:12:17.289 --> 01:12:20.970
in today than there was in 20 years ago when

01:12:20.970 --> 01:12:22.470
you were dealing with a 54 -year -old person.

01:12:22.529 --> 01:12:25.489
When you're talking about recovery, sports science,

01:12:25.689 --> 01:12:27.710
what they know about how to make the body work.

01:12:28.079 --> 01:12:29.680
what they know about training and conditioning.

01:12:30.119 --> 01:12:32.479
People are just different now. Yeah, but all

01:12:32.479 --> 01:12:35.880
it has to do, you could be on so many steroids

01:12:35.880 --> 01:12:38.039
and pills or whatever they got, health growth

01:12:38.039 --> 01:12:41.539
and all that stuff. But listen, you could be

01:12:41.539 --> 01:12:43.279
the best physical shape in your right if you

01:12:43.279 --> 01:12:46.039
don't go out there where a good mental perspective

01:12:46.039 --> 01:12:48.659
is going to turn out disastrous. Yeah, if you're

01:12:48.659 --> 01:12:50.020
not mentally prepared. Yeah, it's going to be

01:12:50.020 --> 01:12:52.199
disastrous. But that's the thing that I'm liking

01:12:52.199 --> 01:12:53.899
about talking to you. You seem very mentally

01:12:53.899 --> 01:12:57.600
prepared. You're ramped up, Mike. Yeah, I don't

01:12:57.600 --> 01:13:00.220
know if I am. It's just that this is who I am.

01:13:00.319 --> 01:13:04.100
I guess, I don't know. I like fighting. Well,

01:13:04.180 --> 01:13:07.380
that's why you were so fucking great at it. And

01:13:07.380 --> 01:13:08.840
that's what's so exciting about this is that

01:13:08.840 --> 01:13:12.060
you're back into that mindset again. I guess

01:13:12.060 --> 01:13:14.079
so, yeah. I try to control it because I have

01:13:14.079 --> 01:13:17.380
to know I have people at home. level my personality

01:13:17.380 --> 01:13:20.100
down for. That's the problem, right? The problem

01:13:20.100 --> 01:13:23.960
is living a regular life. Once you turn the switch

01:13:23.960 --> 01:13:26.699
on, just to keep... You know, normally when I'm

01:13:26.699 --> 01:13:29.680
in this mode, I only want a slave. I don't want

01:13:29.680 --> 01:13:36.300
a family member. I have to cut stuff down. We

01:13:36.300 --> 01:13:39.819
all have to be from a humanity perspective. You

01:13:39.819 --> 01:13:42.199
get into the conqueror's mindset. It's just that

01:13:42.199 --> 01:13:44.689
I think... Everything should go my way while

01:13:44.689 --> 01:13:48.069
I'm going through this process. Yeah. I think

01:13:48.069 --> 01:13:50.310
no should be a foreign language for this next

01:13:50.310 --> 01:13:53.149
two months for what I need to prepare for, what

01:13:53.149 --> 01:13:55.069
I need to prepare for. Everything should go your

01:13:55.069 --> 01:13:59.170
way. Yeah, from my perspective, for me knowing

01:13:59.170 --> 01:14:01.829
me, preparing for what I need to prepare for,

01:14:01.869 --> 01:14:04.670
yeah. That's an alien thought process for most

01:14:04.670 --> 01:14:07.329
people. They don't understand. To be Mike Tyson,

01:14:07.449 --> 01:14:09.390
to be who you were when you were at the top,

01:14:09.409 --> 01:14:11.970
you have to think like that. I don't think anyone

01:14:11.970 --> 01:14:14.750
thinks. I think you think like that. I think

01:14:14.750 --> 01:14:16.270
you think like that, too. That's what I mean,

01:14:16.270 --> 01:14:18.409
to fight. I think to fight is the most extreme

01:14:18.409 --> 01:14:20.630
version of that, though. For you to prepare for

01:14:20.630 --> 01:14:23.989
the... Well, let's say you had Joe Biden in here.

01:14:24.029 --> 01:14:25.750
For you to prepare for that, that's going to

01:14:25.750 --> 01:14:27.189
be very interesting, right? You're not going

01:14:27.189 --> 01:14:28.590
to come at him like you came at somebody that

01:14:28.590 --> 01:14:30.310
you know, that you're comfortable with. You're

01:14:30.310 --> 01:14:31.489
going to look at him from a different perspective.

01:14:31.489 --> 01:14:33.189
Let me hit him from this part and see where this

01:14:33.189 --> 01:14:34.250
comes from. Because he's going to look at you

01:14:34.250 --> 01:14:37.250
as just some small sports jock. Yeah. So you're

01:14:37.250 --> 01:14:38.489
going to say, I'm going to surprise him and come

01:14:38.489 --> 01:14:40.489
at him from this direction. That's just how we

01:14:40.489 --> 01:14:42.229
think, the competitive. We don't want nobody

01:14:42.229 --> 01:14:46.689
to think what we are. We want them to... have

01:14:46.689 --> 01:14:49.350
a little bit of figuring out process for what

01:14:49.350 --> 01:14:51.750
we are. If I had Joe Biden in here, I think I'd

01:14:51.750 --> 01:14:53.609
get really high before I talk to him. Oh, that

01:14:53.609 --> 01:14:55.149
would be beautiful. I think he would be high

01:14:55.149 --> 01:14:59.390
too. You can't tell me he's not a high guy. He

01:14:59.390 --> 01:15:03.090
looks like he's a high guy. He's going to be

01:15:03.090 --> 01:15:05.609
a high. It definitely seems like he's on something.

01:15:06.380 --> 01:15:08.779
Yeah, but I would get really high before I talk

01:15:08.779 --> 01:15:10.220
to a dude like that. That would be awesome. Just

01:15:10.220 --> 01:15:11.739
to try to feel. You know how sometimes when you're

01:15:11.739 --> 01:15:14.399
real high, you feel energy from people, good

01:15:14.399 --> 01:15:16.979
or bad? You feel. You know what I mean? When

01:15:16.979 --> 01:15:18.859
you're hunting mushrooms, you got them pegged.

01:15:19.079 --> 01:15:21.939
Whoa, baby. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you're hunting

01:15:21.939 --> 01:15:23.800
mushrooms, you see who they really are behind

01:15:23.800 --> 01:15:25.899
the screen. That's why my wife don't like me.

01:15:25.939 --> 01:15:28.380
She said, you're on shrooms again, huh? Don't

01:15:28.380 --> 01:15:31.319
come in here with no damn shrooms. Shrooms and

01:15:31.319 --> 01:15:35.460
DMT. Don't mess with shrooms. What's that? Chunga.

01:15:35.689 --> 01:15:38.109
There must be no chunga and shrimp. That's a

01:15:38.109 --> 01:15:39.829
no -no for me at the house. Don't bring that

01:15:39.829 --> 01:15:44.090
shit home. Yeah, that's funny, man. Just even

01:15:44.090 --> 01:15:46.390
microdosing. If you microdose mushrooms and you're

01:15:46.390 --> 01:15:48.689
around people, especially if someone's lying

01:15:48.689 --> 01:15:50.930
to you, especially if they're pretending they're

01:15:50.930 --> 01:15:53.189
something they're not. Listen, I've done mushrooms

01:15:53.189 --> 01:15:57.090
alone. Before, I used to do a bag a day. I stopped

01:15:57.090 --> 01:16:01.390
for three months. I said, let me just do a little.

01:16:02.850 --> 01:16:09.560
I'm looking at the tub and bang! I'm God, and

01:16:09.560 --> 01:16:11.439
you guys are just here for my entertainment.

01:16:16.359 --> 01:16:18.239
But you're watching television at first, and

01:16:18.239 --> 01:16:21.220
it's cool, and then it starts sounding, whoa,

01:16:21.479 --> 01:16:24.479
it sounds good, and then boom, it hits you. I

01:16:24.479 --> 01:16:26.739
know some dudes who train on it. They like to

01:16:26.739 --> 01:16:28.439
train on mushrooms. Listen, you know what I did?

01:16:28.479 --> 01:16:30.460
I took some mushrooms, and I did the bike for

01:16:30.460 --> 01:16:34.039
two hours, but it was like, it was just like

01:16:34.039 --> 01:16:38.779
I was in a zone. But breathing heavy. I'm in

01:16:38.779 --> 01:16:40.500
the dome. I can hear my breathing. I'm like,

01:16:40.539 --> 01:16:42.760
what the? Wow. I'm going to die. I'm thinking

01:16:42.760 --> 01:16:45.199
you're going to die. Holy shit. I'm going to

01:16:45.199 --> 01:16:46.979
die, but I don't stop realizing. I'm thinking

01:16:46.979 --> 01:16:49.039
I'm dead. Because that's what mushrooms do. It

01:16:49.039 --> 01:16:51.039
makes you believe you're dead. It gives you that

01:16:51.039 --> 01:16:54.619
feeling of fucking, like, boom. It's just. Yeah.

01:16:54.880 --> 01:16:57.899
I'm living dead. It's feeling like your soul

01:16:57.899 --> 01:17:00.039
is separate from your physical body. Listen.

01:17:00.199 --> 01:17:04.939
Why can't they? Listen. Stop. It's like. No.

01:17:05.399 --> 01:17:07.439
It's like you're in this room, right? I'm in

01:17:07.439 --> 01:17:10.619
this room. Well, you said that blew my mind.

01:17:10.680 --> 01:17:13.319
You said, I'm in the room. And all the room is

01:17:13.319 --> 01:17:16.119
like, it could be like, the whole room, this

01:17:16.119 --> 01:17:19.760
whole room is like, covered in like a, kind of

01:17:19.760 --> 01:17:23.000
like, shaded, visible, and I'm just covered.

01:17:23.060 --> 01:17:25.100
And the whole, and it's just me, and everything,

01:17:25.220 --> 01:17:28.439
the whole world is outside of me. Yeah. And it's

01:17:28.439 --> 01:17:30.340
like I'm gone, and everything is just my entertainment.

01:17:30.640 --> 01:17:34.340
I'm just looking in. And no one sees me. It's

01:17:34.340 --> 01:17:37.659
just, oh, man, forget it. I got to run with this.

01:17:37.739 --> 01:17:39.380
Hey, baby, baby, baby. Even though I've been

01:17:39.380 --> 01:17:41.720
hiding this stuff from her. Baby, baby, I took

01:17:41.720 --> 01:17:43.779
some shrooms. I'm not feeling good, baby. I'm

01:17:43.779 --> 01:17:46.399
sorry. I'm just not feeling good. I'm seeing

01:17:46.399 --> 01:17:48.439
shit. I'm not feeling good. What does your wife

01:17:48.439 --> 01:17:50.359
say when you do that? She says, I told you not

01:17:50.359 --> 01:17:57.800
to use that shit. Stop doing it. I learn things

01:17:57.800 --> 01:17:59.739
when I do them, though, too. I learn things about

01:17:59.739 --> 01:18:03.939
myself. Oh, do I? Yeah. And I said, see, baby?

01:18:04.119 --> 01:18:05.600
Because when I do learn, I tell my wife, she

01:18:05.600 --> 01:18:07.859
said, this is true. I said, see, the shrooms.

01:18:07.899 --> 01:18:10.100
Yeah. The shrooms, mama. It's the shrooms. It

01:18:10.100 --> 01:18:13.279
gives me that enlightenment. But it's also, once

01:18:13.279 --> 01:18:15.699
I do shrooms, I know why I have to stop doing

01:18:15.699 --> 01:18:17.239
the shrooms, because I start doing it too much,

01:18:17.340 --> 01:18:21.279
and then I lose the concept of time. I might

01:18:21.279 --> 01:18:23.619
have been, like you say, me and my wife in the

01:18:23.619 --> 01:18:27.050
car, we drop off the kid to, A class that she

01:18:27.050 --> 01:18:30.449
goes once every week. We drop her off, then we

01:18:30.449 --> 01:18:33.529
come back to the house, and I just say, hey,

01:18:33.670 --> 01:18:36.729
where's Milan? We just dropped her off, Mike,

01:18:36.850 --> 01:18:40.310
and I lost that concept. I lost that time. Yeah.

01:18:40.970 --> 01:18:45.409
Yeah, it makes regular life seem trivial. Things

01:18:45.409 --> 01:18:48.409
like time, it doesn't mean anything anymore.

01:18:48.989 --> 01:18:52.279
It's a problem. Yeah. If you have to keep appointments.

01:18:52.579 --> 01:18:55.939
Oh, no, I'm not going to make that. And if you

01:18:55.939 --> 01:18:59.399
go there and if your body, the shrooms tell you,

01:18:59.420 --> 01:19:01.220
hey, you shouldn't really be here. This is not

01:19:01.220 --> 01:19:05.460
worth our time. This is not what we're vibing

01:19:05.460 --> 01:19:08.399
on to reach the higher level. This becomes disastrous.

01:19:08.920 --> 01:19:11.420
This guy becomes the enemy. He's stopping my

01:19:11.420 --> 01:19:15.899
enlightening now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, shrooms.

01:19:16.840 --> 01:19:19.840
I think there should be clinics all over the

01:19:19.840 --> 01:19:22.140
country. Some of them do. They are. Cybertan,

01:19:22.199 --> 01:19:25.199
what's it called? Psilocybin. Psilocybin. Psilocybin,

01:19:25.279 --> 01:19:27.899
yeah. But it's still a Schedule I drug, unfortunately,

01:19:28.060 --> 01:19:29.680
in this country. But I think there should be

01:19:29.680 --> 01:19:31.000
clinics where the professionals talk it through.

01:19:31.000 --> 01:19:33.220
Listen, have you heard about the white cobra?

01:19:33.520 --> 01:19:36.779
The white cobra? Yeah. Oh, he should be a great

01:19:36.779 --> 01:19:39.119
psychedelic, too. It's another psychedelic? Oh,

01:19:39.199 --> 01:19:45.890
the lizard's tail, the centipede. Yeah. No. The

01:19:45.890 --> 01:19:47.390
toad, of course you know the toad. The shore

01:19:47.390 --> 01:19:50.229
pea, what else? The jellyfish, I believe is one.

01:19:50.510 --> 01:19:54.850
And they have quite a few animals that possess

01:19:54.850 --> 01:19:58.979
that. Psychedelic chemicals? Yeah. Well, we're

01:19:58.979 --> 01:20:00.899
being fucked in this country because they keep

01:20:00.899 --> 01:20:02.800
that shit from us and they make it illegal. And

01:20:02.800 --> 01:20:04.479
so many people have learned great things about

01:20:04.479 --> 01:20:07.779
themselves through mushrooms and through all

01:20:07.779 --> 01:20:10.039
kinds of different psychedelics, especially micro

01:20:10.039 --> 01:20:12.300
dosing. They learned how to stop us from drinking.

01:20:12.399 --> 01:20:14.680
They gave us a rule to stop us from drinking

01:20:14.680 --> 01:20:18.039
by taking shrooms and LSD and stuff. Yeah. Stops

01:20:18.039 --> 01:20:19.640
people from smoking cigarettes. I just think.

01:20:20.329 --> 01:20:22.350
We abused them. I think they've been using them

01:20:22.350 --> 01:20:24.829
since the beginning of time. People like us,

01:20:24.890 --> 01:20:27.649
we abused them. Yeah, but people abuse everything.

01:20:27.829 --> 01:20:30.630
They abuse cheeseburgers and alcohol. You should

01:20:30.630 --> 01:20:32.310
be able to take whatever you want as a grown

01:20:32.310 --> 01:20:34.909
man. And the fact that this country keeps it

01:20:34.909 --> 01:20:37.770
from us and keeps it illegal, it's fucked up

01:20:37.770 --> 01:20:39.850
because it could benefit so many people. I think

01:20:39.850 --> 01:20:40.369
we would have a better society. Well, it would

01:20:40.369 --> 01:20:42.050
benefit the people if they wanted to benefit,

01:20:42.350 --> 01:20:44.489
the people who was hiding it from us. are the

01:20:44.489 --> 01:20:46.510
ones that's getting benefits. I think the people

01:20:46.510 --> 01:20:48.449
that are hiding from us, they're protected pharmaceutical

01:20:48.449 --> 01:20:50.649
companies. Well, listen, I don't know who they

01:20:50.649 --> 01:20:53.449
are, but I know they're somebody. Yeah. Yeah,

01:20:53.489 --> 01:20:55.770
well, there's a lot of factors. There's a lot

01:20:55.770 --> 01:20:58.550
of factors. But for me personally and for a lot

01:20:58.550 --> 01:21:01.170
of people that I know, they've gained great benefits

01:21:01.170 --> 01:21:05.409
from psychedelics. What do you think about this

01:21:05.409 --> 01:21:07.130
world we live in? What do you think about it?

01:21:07.130 --> 01:21:10.130
How did it ever exist? What is the origin of

01:21:10.130 --> 01:21:13.430
it? Yeah. Yeah, the world is a strange place

01:21:13.430 --> 01:21:16.350
and stranger right now because of COVID and because

01:21:16.350 --> 01:21:18.470
everyone's locked down and society's kind of

01:21:18.470 --> 01:21:20.810
fucked up. I just think we as human beings, what

01:21:20.810 --> 01:21:22.930
we are, who we are, whatever we exist to be,

01:21:22.970 --> 01:21:25.069
we're fucking germs and we're the cause of everything

01:21:25.069 --> 01:21:27.630
that happens to us. I just always think that

01:21:27.630 --> 01:21:30.989
people let out the virus. We're viruses. We're

01:21:30.989 --> 01:21:33.010
fungus. That's what we are, fungus. If you look

01:21:33.010 --> 01:21:37.439
at us... From the perspective of consciousness,

01:21:37.720 --> 01:21:39.760
what do we do? We get sick, we get other people

01:21:39.760 --> 01:21:43.510
sick, and we die. Yeah. Have you ever heard of

01:21:43.510 --> 01:21:45.229
Terrence McKenna? You know who Terrence McKenna

01:21:45.229 --> 01:21:47.210
is? No, tell me about Terrence. Terrence McKenna

01:21:47.210 --> 01:21:50.170
was a brilliant ethnobotanist. He was a guy that

01:21:50.170 --> 01:21:52.250
worked with plants and he was into psychedelics.

01:21:52.250 --> 01:21:54.750
And he had a theory called the stoned ape theory.

01:21:54.890 --> 01:21:56.890
And he believed that human beings became human

01:21:56.890 --> 01:21:59.510
beings because of psychedelics. He thinks that

01:21:59.510 --> 01:22:03.210
we developed into human beings when lower hominids,

01:22:03.250 --> 01:22:05.770
like ancient man, was experimenting with mushrooms.

01:22:06.090 --> 01:22:08.390
That could be interesting. So I think, well,

01:22:08.510 --> 01:22:14.380
let me not think that. I saw documentaries, and

01:22:14.380 --> 01:22:17.239
from the documentaries, it appears to be that

01:22:17.239 --> 01:22:20.180
the world was created off of drugs. Someone's

01:22:20.180 --> 01:22:22.279
taking some drugs, and they're reaching that

01:22:22.279 --> 01:22:27.180
belief to be divine intervention from God, and

01:22:27.180 --> 01:22:30.239
this is how the world was discovered. Have you

01:22:30.239 --> 01:22:32.920
ever done some research in the history of drugs?

01:22:33.180 --> 01:22:34.920
Yeah, I've definitely done some research in the

01:22:34.920 --> 01:22:37.180
history of drugs. Oh, so I'm sure you understand.

01:22:38.250 --> 01:22:41.390
Well, drugs in human beings, for sure, it accelerates

01:22:41.390 --> 01:22:43.850
creativity, right? It gives people ideas. But

01:22:43.850 --> 01:22:45.970
the idea behind psilocybin is a bunch of ideas.

01:22:46.029 --> 01:22:49.529
One of them is that it actually can make people

01:22:49.529 --> 01:22:52.149
think about things like language and that language

01:22:52.149 --> 01:22:55.409
could have... come about from people making these

01:22:55.409 --> 01:22:57.789
connections from psilocybin. It also makes people

01:22:57.789 --> 01:22:59.989
a little bit more creative. It makes people horny.

01:23:00.250 --> 01:23:03.189
It increases visual acuity. Makes them compassionate.

01:23:03.470 --> 01:23:06.550
Makes them compassionate. Would bond them in

01:23:06.550 --> 01:23:09.890
terms of community. And love. It has a love component

01:23:09.890 --> 01:23:12.270
as well. And if you think about it, for long

01:23:12.270 --> 01:23:13.989
periods of time, if that became a part of the

01:23:13.989 --> 01:23:16.949
human diet, it would make sense that that was

01:23:16.949 --> 01:23:18.289
one of the things that made people better. No,

01:23:18.289 --> 01:23:18.949
it would make sense because the diet has always

01:23:18.949 --> 01:23:21.250
been abused. Our diet is being abused now because

01:23:21.250 --> 01:23:23.670
that's why we have to be obese. Sure, now. And

01:23:23.670 --> 01:23:27.710
that's what happens with all these extreme drugs

01:23:27.710 --> 01:23:30.090
and alternative drugs. We abuse them. We take

01:23:30.090 --> 01:23:33.109
them too much. We smoke too much weed. You know,

01:23:33.149 --> 01:23:35.310
we smoke too much weed. We smoke too many cigarettes.

01:23:35.510 --> 01:23:37.750
We just do too much of everything. Yeah, we do

01:23:37.750 --> 01:23:40.329
abuse shit. Why do you think that is? Why do

01:23:40.329 --> 01:23:42.590
you think people do? But don't you think that

01:23:42.590 --> 01:23:45.609
that same abuse, that same, like, that's also

01:23:45.609 --> 01:23:48.420
what makes people great at things too? Because

01:23:48.420 --> 01:23:50.859
that same, almost the same mindset that allows

01:23:50.859 --> 01:23:53.359
someone to abuse drugs or abuse gambling and

01:23:53.359 --> 01:23:56.859
become obsessed with pornography also is the

01:23:56.859 --> 01:23:59.739
same mindset, if channeled the right way, that

01:23:59.739 --> 01:24:01.479
allows someone to become obsessed with boxing.

01:24:01.640 --> 01:24:04.859
What prevents them from doing the right thing

01:24:04.859 --> 01:24:07.619
from the wrong thing with the same feeling? You

01:24:07.619 --> 01:24:09.800
know what prevents that? What? Emotional intelligence.

01:24:10.380 --> 01:24:13.380
Yes. The majority of the world don't even possess.

01:24:13.460 --> 01:24:18.050
The world is not even 50 years old. Right. This

01:24:18.050 --> 01:24:20.369
is going to be a struggle for the next 100 years.

01:24:20.449 --> 01:24:22.289
That's going to be until we get that. That's

01:24:22.289 --> 01:24:25.850
going to have to be our main objective to develop

01:24:25.850 --> 01:24:29.529
that in order to succeed as human beings. Yeah,

01:24:29.590 --> 01:24:31.810
no truer words have ever been said. That's what

01:24:31.810 --> 01:24:33.689
it is. It's emotional intelligence. Because,

01:24:33.710 --> 01:24:36.829
listen, our feelings are enslaved by our emotions,

01:24:36.890 --> 01:24:39.090
and our emotions are enslaved by our feelings.

01:24:39.449 --> 01:24:43.489
And sometimes we... sort of placate those emotions

01:24:43.489 --> 01:24:47.529
by drowning it in food or in booze or in gambling

01:24:47.529 --> 01:24:50.430
or sex or anything that can distract you. And

01:24:50.430 --> 01:24:54.569
then we turn that into memories. Yeah. And then

01:24:54.569 --> 01:24:56.789
we become enslaved to our memories. Yeah. And

01:24:56.789 --> 01:24:59.850
it never stops. Right. That's who we are. We

01:24:59.850 --> 01:25:01.550
are an alcoholic. We are a gambling addict. No,

01:25:01.569 --> 01:25:03.569
we allowed ourselves to become that. Yes. We

01:25:03.569 --> 01:25:06.829
can stop from coming at it just like we learned

01:25:06.829 --> 01:25:10.350
Alcoholics Anonymous. Yeah. So we can learn from

01:25:10.350 --> 01:25:12.640
that. So that's why they learned from that, so

01:25:12.640 --> 01:25:14.899
now it's not hopeless anymore. Right. That's

01:25:14.899 --> 01:25:16.159
why it's so hard for people, because they have

01:25:16.159 --> 01:25:18.300
a memory of all the things they've done that's

01:25:18.300 --> 01:25:20.239
wrong, and they do it all the time, and that

01:25:20.239 --> 01:25:22.159
becomes who they think they are. So they start

01:25:22.159 --> 01:25:24.300
changing the picture. Right. It's all about changing

01:25:24.300 --> 01:25:26.760
the channel, you know? Right. Change that channel

01:25:26.760 --> 01:25:28.659
in life. Well, that's what's so exciting about

01:25:28.659 --> 01:25:30.460
you with this new chapter of your life. You've

01:25:30.460 --> 01:25:33.939
just completely changed who you are. You went

01:25:33.939 --> 01:25:36.800
from pot -smoking Mike Tyson, who's running Tyson

01:25:36.800 --> 01:25:38.680
Ranch, who's this real nice guy to hang around

01:25:38.680 --> 01:25:41.399
with, doing hot boxing with Mike. Tyson, fun

01:25:41.399 --> 01:25:43.399
to be with. Everything's great. And all of a

01:25:43.399 --> 01:25:46.420
sudden, you shift right back into Mike Tyson,

01:25:46.659 --> 01:25:50.220
the murderer again. Well, it's just that, as

01:25:50.220 --> 01:25:53.779
I said earlier today, if we knew who we were,

01:25:53.939 --> 01:25:58.140
we'd be very limited. We don't know who we are.

01:25:58.260 --> 01:26:00.199
We don't know what you might do tomorrow when

01:26:00.199 --> 01:26:02.880
you wake up. It's true. Are you married? Yeah.

01:26:03.000 --> 01:26:06.619
Well, listen, you might get married again. You

01:26:06.619 --> 01:26:09.039
might go crazy. You might take on a new job.

01:26:09.039 --> 01:26:10.869
You never know. You never know. Well, that's

01:26:10.869 --> 01:26:12.569
one of the exciting things about life, right?

01:26:12.729 --> 01:26:14.470
I mean, this has to be an exciting time for you

01:26:14.470 --> 01:26:17.630
to make this big switch. Yeah, I think about

01:26:17.630 --> 01:26:19.789
that, too. I think about a lot. I think about

01:26:19.789 --> 01:26:23.069
a lot, like, you know, I'm 54, and that I'm not

01:26:23.069 --> 01:26:25.329
going to be here much longer. And when I go,

01:26:25.430 --> 01:26:27.170
am I going to see my wife and kids again, the

01:26:27.170 --> 01:26:29.189
friends that I've loved all my life? Am I going

01:26:29.189 --> 01:26:31.270
to see them again? I start thinking about that.

01:26:31.970 --> 01:26:35.229
Yeah. You know, when we think about it, I was

01:26:35.229 --> 01:26:37.810
disguised. This guy's book, what does it say?

01:26:37.890 --> 01:26:41.630
One beat away from our internal journey. Some

01:26:41.630 --> 01:26:44.050
guy sent me that book. And I said, wow, this

01:26:44.050 --> 01:26:46.369
is pretty cool. Because it's true. We're only

01:26:46.369 --> 01:26:49.510
one heartbeat away from dying. Yeah. And going

01:26:49.510 --> 01:26:53.130
on that long ride of not knowing. Yeah. Of feeling.

01:26:53.569 --> 01:26:56.149
Because that's when I was on the toll. DMT is

01:26:56.149 --> 01:26:59.170
all about feeling. Yeah. The feel makes the reality.

01:26:59.970 --> 01:27:02.229
How much did that change your perspective on

01:27:02.229 --> 01:27:05.989
life when you had those experiences? It got me

01:27:05.989 --> 01:27:08.270
in shape. It got me this. This is what it had

01:27:08.270 --> 01:27:11.770
me do. As soon as I did it, the first time I

01:27:11.770 --> 01:27:14.750
did it, it just blew my mind. Then I did it again.

01:27:14.810 --> 01:27:16.550
I said, hey, you better get in shape. Let's get

01:27:16.550 --> 01:27:22.270
in shape. What the fuck's wrong with you? Yeah,

01:27:22.470 --> 01:27:26.550
I'm listening. That's what I did. I told you.

01:27:26.609 --> 01:27:29.229
Hey, you're fucking up. Especially when you think

01:27:29.229 --> 01:27:30.750
about it. See, I'm not the guy you have to say,

01:27:30.810 --> 01:27:33.569
hey, Mike, man, you know, you gained a few pounds.

01:27:33.649 --> 01:27:35.409
Let's kind of work it out, man. You can do it.

01:27:35.449 --> 01:27:37.670
Hey, you big, fat, dumb nigga. Get your shit

01:27:37.670 --> 01:27:38.930
together. Look at you, big, fat motherfucker.

01:27:39.010 --> 01:27:42.210
You're a fat, lazy motherfucker. That motivates

01:27:42.210 --> 01:27:44.569
me. You need to hear that. And you need to tell

01:27:44.569 --> 01:27:46.529
it to yourself. Yeah. No, anybody, the right

01:27:46.529 --> 01:27:48.430
person needs to tell it to me, too. Who the fuck's

01:27:48.430 --> 01:27:51.250
going to say that to you? They do. Hey, hey,

01:27:51.470 --> 01:27:56.270
hey. Listen, I was somewhere around Freddie.

01:27:56.590 --> 01:27:59.939
I went somewhere. To do something. Then I saw

01:27:59.939 --> 01:28:03.659
one of Freddie Roach's trainers, Irish guy, European

01:28:03.659 --> 01:28:06.100
guy, and he knew me for years because I used

01:28:06.100 --> 01:28:08.180
to work with him. He said, what the fuck is wrong

01:28:08.180 --> 01:28:10.800
with you? Look at you, man. This is not fucking

01:28:10.800 --> 01:28:13.880
right. Look at, oh, Mike, what the fuck are you

01:28:13.880 --> 01:28:18.159
doing? And wow, I felt this big. And he sat around

01:28:18.159 --> 01:28:19.680
a bunch of people, but he said, you know this

01:28:19.680 --> 01:28:22.479
is not right. This is not right. And I said,

01:28:22.520 --> 01:28:28.770
fuck, he's right. And I got right. Yeah. Some

01:28:28.770 --> 01:28:31.090
people call that fat shaming. No. But I think

01:28:31.090 --> 01:28:33.729
fat shaming works. For me. Works for me, too.

01:28:33.850 --> 01:28:35.409
If I got fat, I don't want somebody yelling at

01:28:35.409 --> 01:28:37.090
me. If somebody's not yelling at me and I found

01:28:37.090 --> 01:28:39.729
out he thought that I was a fat motherfucker

01:28:39.729 --> 01:28:41.470
and he wouldn't tell me, I wouldn't be a friend

01:28:41.470 --> 01:28:42.909
of him. I wouldn't be cool with him no more.

01:28:43.449 --> 01:28:45.390
If he's not telling me, yo, Mike, man, this is

01:28:45.390 --> 01:28:47.489
not right, man. At least let me know. I might

01:28:47.489 --> 01:28:49.770
not want to do it, but let me know that I'm not

01:28:49.770 --> 01:28:52.369
looking good. This shit ain't right. Yeah. You

01:28:52.369 --> 01:28:53.670
know, because the guy ain't going to tell you

01:28:53.670 --> 01:28:55.390
he's going to hang around, let you stay eating

01:28:55.390 --> 01:28:57.850
and fucking hanging around, drinking. That's

01:28:57.850 --> 01:29:01.670
the enemy, man. Yeah. That's the enemy. So you

01:29:01.670 --> 01:29:04.210
do the DMT trip, and then you have it in your

01:29:04.210 --> 01:29:06.470
head, like, hey, I got to get in shape. Absolutely.

01:29:07.149 --> 01:29:10.130
Absolutely. Like, sometimes you say, like, body

01:29:10.130 --> 01:29:12.550
shaming doesn't hurt people. It hurts some people.

01:29:12.609 --> 01:29:16.250
To me, it makes me, hey, man, it helps me. I'm

01:29:16.250 --> 01:29:18.609
just that guy. The only way it hurts people is

01:29:18.609 --> 01:29:20.899
if you don't listen. If someone says you're fat

01:29:20.899 --> 01:29:22.619
and then it hurts your feelings but you don't

01:29:22.619 --> 01:29:24.859
work out, then it hurts you. But if someone says

01:29:24.859 --> 01:29:26.460
you're fat and it hurts your feelings and you

01:29:26.460 --> 01:29:28.260
say, I'm going to use this as a motivator to

01:29:28.260 --> 01:29:31.619
get back in shape, then it helps you. Fat shaming

01:29:31.619 --> 01:29:34.739
is only bad if you don't stop being fat. I never

01:29:34.739 --> 01:29:37.239
looked at it as fat shaming. That's what you

01:29:37.239 --> 01:29:39.680
said. Who's going to say that to Mike? I don't

01:29:39.680 --> 01:29:42.880
respect that guy. The guy that thinks like that,

01:29:42.960 --> 01:29:46.079
I'm not going to tell him. That's my enemy. He's

01:29:46.079 --> 01:29:49.149
not helping you. He's my enemy. Right. He's my

01:29:49.149 --> 01:29:52.930
enemy. So the DMT trip opened your eyes to that.

01:29:53.170 --> 01:29:56.949
Absolutely. Yeah. But that's not something you

01:29:56.949 --> 01:29:59.590
want to do while you're in camp. You know, I

01:29:59.590 --> 01:30:04.310
did it 16 times. 17, 16 times, yeah. Never regret

01:30:04.310 --> 01:30:09.029
doing it. Never regret doing it. I think everybody

01:30:09.029 --> 01:30:11.619
should do it. It's just everybody. Not everybody,

01:30:11.840 --> 01:30:14.140
but everybody who wants to. It's not for everybody.

01:30:14.319 --> 01:30:16.880
Not everybody. Everybody who needs it should

01:30:16.880 --> 01:30:18.579
do it. I should say that. Yeah, because some

01:30:18.579 --> 01:30:20.500
people believe this is all, this is the real

01:30:20.500 --> 01:30:22.760
world out here. Yeah. They really believe this

01:30:22.760 --> 01:30:25.500
is reality. Isn't that interesting? Like once

01:30:25.500 --> 01:30:27.399
you do it, you realize that that world is so

01:30:27.399 --> 01:30:31.460
more vivid than this world. And we're going to

01:30:31.460 --> 01:30:32.880
be in that world longer than we're going to be

01:30:32.880 --> 01:30:38.640
in this world. Let me hurry up and die and get

01:30:38.640 --> 01:30:41.180
this shit over with. Yeah, that's probably true.

01:30:41.420 --> 01:30:43.579
I don't know what it is, but it's probably true.

01:30:43.859 --> 01:30:46.300
Listen, this is what happened. You do this total

01:30:46.300 --> 01:30:50.720
stuff or any of those interesting narcotics,

01:30:50.920 --> 01:30:55.119
you have a different opinion about dying and

01:30:55.119 --> 01:30:58.140
the fear of dying. Yeah. You start to think,

01:30:58.180 --> 01:31:01.279
hey, maybe I'm living too long. You know? Shit.

01:31:01.840 --> 01:31:05.340
Well, maybe that's just another existence. That's

01:31:05.340 --> 01:31:08.159
what made me think. Maybe this is always there.

01:31:08.340 --> 01:31:10.819
And maybe this life that we have, this temporary

01:31:10.819 --> 01:31:12.779
life that we're clinging on to, that's so important

01:31:12.779 --> 01:31:17.359
to us. Why nobody wants to really stick on to

01:31:17.359 --> 01:31:19.939
the fact that after we die it's over? Why nobody

01:31:19.939 --> 01:31:24.659
want to hold on to that? Than really being confident

01:31:24.659 --> 01:31:26.579
with saying, hey, there's something else after

01:31:26.579 --> 01:31:31.579
this. Is that from dying early or what? Why do

01:31:31.579 --> 01:31:34.439
people stick with that? Is that to soften our

01:31:34.439 --> 01:31:37.220
ride to the eternal life of darkness or what?

01:31:37.420 --> 01:31:39.840
It might be. I mean, we don't know until we die,

01:31:39.939 --> 01:31:43.920
right? Yeah. But the people that think that it's

01:31:43.920 --> 01:31:46.899
just over, when you die, it's over. Darkness.

01:31:47.500 --> 01:31:50.319
Darkness, and then that's it. That might be right,

01:31:50.420 --> 01:31:53.239
or it might be that you go to that place where

01:31:53.239 --> 01:31:55.640
you go when you smoke DMT. It might be that.

01:31:56.349 --> 01:31:58.470
You don't remember when you were born, do you?

01:31:59.069 --> 01:32:01.789
You're not going to remember when you died. I

01:32:01.789 --> 01:32:03.689
think if we're born again, we're not going to

01:32:03.689 --> 01:32:05.270
remember the life we had. Not going to remember

01:32:05.270 --> 01:32:07.890
this shit. I've always said everybody's scared

01:32:07.890 --> 01:32:11.909
to die, but no one's scared to sleep. Some people

01:32:11.909 --> 01:32:16.270
are. Some people are afraid to sleep. They get

01:32:16.270 --> 01:32:17.649
their moments, but sometimes you think, wait,

01:32:17.789 --> 01:32:20.510
I might not wake up this morning. You hear and

01:32:20.510 --> 01:32:22.430
you know people at your school sleep having a

01:32:22.430 --> 01:32:24.310
nice time with you, didn't do any drugs, and

01:32:24.310 --> 01:32:26.439
they just don't even wake up. That's true too.

01:32:27.079 --> 01:32:29.979
But the thing about sleep is you're pretty confident

01:32:29.979 --> 01:32:31.340
you're going to come back so you're willing to

01:32:31.340 --> 01:32:33.560
shut off. It's okay. But no one wants to shut

01:32:33.560 --> 01:32:36.619
off forever. But listen, the belief that you're

01:32:36.619 --> 01:32:39.000
going to come back is magnificent. Yeah. The

01:32:39.000 --> 01:32:40.500
belief to know that we're going to wake up in

01:32:40.500 --> 01:32:42.180
the morning. Imagine if we went into life like

01:32:42.180 --> 01:32:46.439
that. Yeah. With that belief. Yeah. And you think

01:32:46.439 --> 01:32:50.590
life is just temporary. And then when it's over,

01:32:50.750 --> 01:32:52.689
you're going to go to an even more magnificent

01:32:52.689 --> 01:32:56.189
place. When we say life, what life? Life is not

01:32:56.189 --> 01:32:59.630
over when we leave this place. Right. It's another

01:32:59.630 --> 01:33:01.810
form of life we haven't experienced yet. Right.

01:33:02.410 --> 01:33:04.489
Even if it's the black life where it's just all

01:33:04.489 --> 01:33:06.489
darkness, it's a part of life that we have to

01:33:06.489 --> 01:33:09.310
embrace in some kind of form or fashion. Well,

01:33:09.329 --> 01:33:10.649
that's the weird thing about the toad, right,

01:33:10.689 --> 01:33:13.409
is that there's no visions. But the feeling's

01:33:13.409 --> 01:33:16.829
so intense you see, right? The feeling's so intense

01:33:16.829 --> 01:33:19.010
you even make up or whatever you see it from.

01:33:19.210 --> 01:33:21.310
That's why feeling is so important. We just don't

01:33:21.310 --> 01:33:24.689
even understand the feelings, the eye. We just

01:33:24.689 --> 01:33:28.090
don't understand. They even lie to us. Our eyes

01:33:28.090 --> 01:33:31.670
lie to us. I remember the first thing I felt

01:33:31.670 --> 01:33:34.789
is so insignificant. Like you're just a part

01:33:34.789 --> 01:33:36.569
of everything. You're part of the whole universe.

01:33:36.770 --> 01:33:38.829
And instead of looking at yourself as a center

01:33:38.829 --> 01:33:41.130
of the universe, when I did it, it just made

01:33:41.130 --> 01:33:43.130
me realize like, no, you're part of this infinite

01:33:43.130 --> 01:33:46.289
thing. And you're such a small part. Everyone

01:33:46.289 --> 01:33:49.989
is such a small part. The universe itself is

01:33:49.989 --> 01:33:52.409
what's big, and you're just a piece of it. We're

01:33:52.409 --> 01:33:55.189
all just feeding each other. We're all just feeding

01:33:55.189 --> 01:33:56.930
each other. Our bloods are just running to each

01:33:56.930 --> 01:33:59.130
other, feeding to the holes, the dirt, the mud,

01:33:59.229 --> 01:34:01.670
everything, the water, the ocean, the air. We're

01:34:01.670 --> 01:34:04.729
just all feeding each other. The bugs. There's

01:34:04.729 --> 01:34:08.630
more, listen, there's more stars in the space

01:34:08.630 --> 01:34:11.050
than there are grains of sand in the desert.

01:34:11.189 --> 01:34:15.689
Can you imagine that? It's ridiculous. What do

01:34:15.689 --> 01:34:18.090
you think about aliens, Mike? I think we're aliens.

01:34:18.409 --> 01:34:20.350
You think so? I think we're descendants of aliens.

01:34:20.789 --> 01:34:23.210
Yeah? Yeah. That's the only thing I can comment.

01:34:23.329 --> 01:34:25.289
If you can't explain, if you can only tell me

01:34:25.289 --> 01:34:27.189
about Adam and Eve, I'm going to go with the

01:34:27.189 --> 01:34:30.449
aliens. Hmm. If that's what you hit me with,

01:34:30.510 --> 01:34:32.590
Adam and Eve, I'm going to go with these alien

01:34:32.590 --> 01:34:37.529
guys. Well, there's a lot of people that believe

01:34:37.529 --> 01:34:39.710
that we're the product of aliens, that aliens

01:34:39.710 --> 01:34:43.470
came down and did some experiments with lower

01:34:43.470 --> 01:34:47.069
hominids and did some accelerated genetic experiments

01:34:47.069 --> 01:34:51.829
and created people. Well, listen, aliens, listen,

01:34:52.109 --> 01:34:55.590
when certain tribes of people, I'm not saying

01:34:55.590 --> 01:34:59.789
Caucasians when they came to Africa. Even before

01:34:59.789 --> 01:35:02.050
that, when people came to other people, the first

01:35:02.050 --> 01:35:06.090
time they seen them, they were aliens. An Asian

01:35:06.090 --> 01:35:08.670
man saw a Caucasian man that was an alien. A

01:35:08.670 --> 01:35:10.390
black man saw an Asian man, a white man that

01:35:10.390 --> 01:35:14.829
was an alien. Maybe they weren't aliens, but

01:35:14.829 --> 01:35:16.189
that's what they thought they were. They were

01:35:16.189 --> 01:35:18.590
just a tribe of people that encountered them,

01:35:18.710 --> 01:35:21.210
and perhaps they were getting extinct. They were

01:35:21.210 --> 01:35:25.270
dying, and they had to breathe through. The lower,

01:35:25.329 --> 01:35:27.250
whatever you were saying. Lower hominids. The

01:35:27.250 --> 01:35:30.529
lower hominids, and maybe this is us. Because

01:35:30.529 --> 01:35:33.090
they had certain, as you may know, because I

01:35:33.090 --> 01:35:36.270
know you do these kind of researches, they already

01:35:36.270 --> 01:35:39.170
discovered there are different forms of species

01:35:39.170 --> 01:35:42.649
that's working down to us, that came from us,

01:35:42.729 --> 01:35:45.470
and now we're at the degree of, I guess, we're

01:35:45.470 --> 01:35:47.210
the human species of our era. Yeah, there was

01:35:47.210 --> 01:35:49.489
a bunch of different kinds of humans. Yeah, there

01:35:49.489 --> 01:35:51.350
was many, many different kinds of humans. And

01:35:51.350 --> 01:35:56.409
before, they were here. millions of years before,

01:35:56.710 --> 01:36:02.029
millions of years after we were erectus, after

01:36:02.029 --> 01:36:04.510
we walked. They've always been here. It's very

01:36:04.510 --> 01:36:09.189
rare that you can find a human life that wasn't

01:36:09.189 --> 01:36:12.250
erectus. They could find a skeleton of one that

01:36:12.250 --> 01:36:15.470
walked in all fours. The oldest person they found

01:36:15.470 --> 01:36:20.609
is 4 .4 million years old. Lucy, I believe it

01:36:20.609 --> 01:36:25.739
is. 4 .4 million years old is nothing. It's nothing

01:36:25.739 --> 01:36:26.600
in terms of the universe, right? People were

01:36:26.600 --> 01:36:29.579
erected then. People were walking on both feet

01:36:29.579 --> 01:36:34.319
then. Yeah. You know, for years, 4 million years

01:36:34.319 --> 01:36:36.859
ago. So they never found, I don't believe they

01:36:36.859 --> 01:36:41.039
ever found the skeleton of a... A human that

01:36:41.039 --> 01:36:43.939
wasn't erected. That's one of the things about

01:36:43.939 --> 01:36:47.699
life is that life is so short. Oh, a twinkle

01:36:47.699 --> 01:36:50.140
of an eye. If everything goes well, you live

01:36:50.140 --> 01:36:53.100
100 years. But that is nothing in terms of the

01:36:53.100 --> 01:36:55.279
life of the planet. You know how long it took

01:36:55.279 --> 01:36:57.960
them to build the Great Wall of China? Thousands

01:36:57.960 --> 01:37:02.340
of years. 2 ,000 years. Yeah. 2 ,000 years. Yeah.

01:37:02.920 --> 01:37:06.699
Can you imagine that? And that's nothing. 2 ,000

01:37:06.699 --> 01:37:10.000
years is... Less than what Christ has been around.

01:37:10.140 --> 01:37:12.800
Christ is young. You know how young Christ is?

01:37:13.420 --> 01:37:15.520
You know how young he is? In terms of the world,

01:37:15.600 --> 01:37:19.979
yeah. Yeah. That's how bad they wanted to keep

01:37:19.979 --> 01:37:22.060
the Mongols out. They built a fucking wall. It

01:37:22.060 --> 01:37:24.260
took them thousands of years. You ever read about

01:37:24.260 --> 01:37:28.579
Genghis Khan? Listen, his real name is Temujin.

01:37:28.880 --> 01:37:32.739
Yeah. And he, let me tell you, what happened,

01:37:32.800 --> 01:37:35.500
he's like 13 when he died, around 13, what, 14?

01:37:37.010 --> 01:37:39.609
His real reign was like in the 12s and the early

01:37:39.609 --> 01:37:44.609
1300s. And first of all, he came from, he's real

01:37:44.609 --> 01:37:46.510
poor. His mother, his father, they all came,

01:37:46.550 --> 01:37:49.170
they got beat up, they took out. He had a woman,

01:37:49.210 --> 01:37:50.949
then they took his wife, but he got friendly

01:37:50.949 --> 01:37:54.890
with a real bad mother, a real, he was a criminal,

01:37:54.930 --> 01:37:57.529
but he was the baddest, oh, he was so bad. And

01:37:57.529 --> 01:38:00.739
he loved Temujin. He just became, you know how

01:38:00.739 --> 01:38:02.300
some guys see a guy and they just hit it off.

01:38:02.420 --> 01:38:04.760
One guy, he was really weak at the time. And

01:38:04.760 --> 01:38:08.939
this other gang had took his wife. And him and

01:38:08.939 --> 01:38:10.840
this guy was making a lot of money, raiding stuff.

01:38:11.140 --> 01:38:12.779
And he was just sad. He said, what is wrong?

01:38:12.939 --> 01:38:14.779
Because the guy really loved him. He said, what

01:38:14.779 --> 01:38:17.220
is wrong? He said, these people. Took my wife

01:38:17.220 --> 01:38:18.840
and he said, don't worry, I got many a wife.

01:38:18.899 --> 01:38:20.100
What are you worrying about that one wife? But

01:38:20.100 --> 01:38:21.960
I really loved her because he really loved her.

01:38:22.140 --> 01:38:25.039
And so the guy said, listen, I'm going to help

01:38:25.039 --> 01:38:26.720
you get your wife back, but you don't ever tell

01:38:26.720 --> 01:38:29.140
nobody that we raided this city because of a

01:38:29.140 --> 01:38:31.399
woman, okay? And so he went back and the guy

01:38:31.399 --> 01:38:35.380
got his wife back. And so the guy allowed Temujin

01:38:35.380 --> 01:38:37.319
to be number two because he loved him so much.

01:38:38.119 --> 01:38:41.600
But he got jealous because the men started favoring

01:38:41.600 --> 01:38:43.699
Genghis because Genghis would let them raid everything.

01:38:43.760 --> 01:38:46.840
He said, keep it all. He wouldn't keep it all,

01:38:46.920 --> 01:38:48.979
let the men have it all. And they all started

01:38:48.979 --> 01:38:51.359
looking up to him and following him, and then

01:38:51.359 --> 01:38:54.220
the other guy got jealous, and eventually Gingas

01:38:54.220 --> 01:38:56.819
had to kill him. But he said, Gingas didn't want

01:38:56.819 --> 01:38:59.159
to do it, but he said, you have to kill me. And

01:38:59.159 --> 01:39:01.500
so Gingas killed him, but he said, you're not

01:39:01.500 --> 01:39:03.239
going to spill any blood, so he crushed him in

01:39:03.239 --> 01:39:06.300
the rocks. So he wouldn't spill no blood, no

01:39:06.300 --> 01:39:08.939
cuts or nothing like that. But that was his best

01:39:08.939 --> 01:39:11.300
friend, and after he died, that's how Gingas

01:39:11.300 --> 01:39:14.460
had the reputation. So you followed him. You

01:39:14.460 --> 01:39:17.180
paid attention to him. You read a bunch of shit

01:39:17.180 --> 01:39:18.979
about him. Yeah, and I named my dog after his

01:39:18.979 --> 01:39:26.520
favorite wife, Paley. Oh, wow. So I know you've

01:39:26.520 --> 01:39:28.460
been into that kind of shit, like Alexander the

01:39:28.460 --> 01:39:31.579
Great and all the different conquerors. Yeah,

01:39:31.720 --> 01:39:37.479
Pippin, Charlemagne, Clovis. Now, is this stuff

01:39:37.479 --> 01:39:39.460
that you just studied because you wanted to study

01:39:39.460 --> 01:39:45.060
conquerors that just interest you? I wanted to

01:39:45.060 --> 01:39:51.300
study that mindset. You know, and I found that

01:39:51.300 --> 01:39:55.359
the greatest conquerors that ever lived were

01:39:55.359 --> 01:40:03.079
farmers. You know, farmers, sheep herders. Somebody

01:40:03.079 --> 01:40:05.079
that we wouldn't think that's important and stuff.

01:40:05.319 --> 01:40:08.869
And then as they became great through that. they

01:40:08.869 --> 01:40:11.329
may have gave birth to great children who were

01:40:11.329 --> 01:40:13.449
born with greatness like alexander the great

01:40:13.449 --> 01:40:15.810
and stuff like philip the macedonian that whole

01:40:15.810 --> 01:40:17.850
bloodline of alexander they were all kings but

01:40:17.850 --> 01:40:20.689
they were all very small and insignificant until

01:40:20.689 --> 01:40:24.750
it was one alexander before him that was pretty

01:40:24.750 --> 01:40:26.789
great and fought against the persians but eventually

01:40:26.789 --> 01:40:29.350
they lost and they pretty much kissed the persians

01:40:29.350 --> 01:40:31.569
ass you know i mean the persians put them in

01:40:31.569 --> 01:40:35.689
the position of power until um philip of philip

01:40:35.689 --> 01:40:38.470
macedonia came who had the nickname aka philip

01:40:38.470 --> 01:40:41.630
the barbarian and he wanted to go across and

01:40:41.630 --> 01:40:44.210
enslave all the persians and everybody after

01:40:44.210 --> 01:40:47.710
that the world and alexander the great mother

01:40:47.710 --> 01:40:54.479
who was a really interesting woman um I'm trying

01:40:54.479 --> 01:40:57.640
to say Albanian, maybe. And they had a different

01:40:57.640 --> 01:41:01.720
kind of study and worship and stuff back then.

01:41:01.720 --> 01:41:04.020
So he got caught up in that. His family didn't

01:41:04.020 --> 01:41:10.800
like her for that. But she arranged for Alexander's

01:41:10.800 --> 01:41:13.199
father, I think, to be killed for Alexander to

01:41:13.199 --> 01:41:15.180
have the power. Then her kids had the power.

01:41:15.180 --> 01:41:16.760
She could lead through her kids while he was

01:41:16.760 --> 01:41:23.210
on campaigns, right? when he was on these campaigns

01:41:23.210 --> 01:41:25.989
now that his father was gone, he just conquered

01:41:25.989 --> 01:41:28.170
everything. But when he ran into the Afghani

01:41:28.170 --> 01:41:31.210
people, he fell in love with them. He wanted

01:41:31.210 --> 01:41:32.850
to interbreed with them. He wanted to create

01:41:32.850 --> 01:41:35.069
a new race of Afghani. He just madly fell in

01:41:35.069 --> 01:41:37.409
love with them. And that's pretty much why his

01:41:37.409 --> 01:41:41.569
family, it's not his family, but the Greeks went,

01:41:41.670 --> 01:41:45.130
what they went, mutiny on him because they were

01:41:45.130 --> 01:41:47.710
jealous that they were giving big positions to

01:41:47.710 --> 01:41:50.960
the... The Persians. No, Afghanistan. He loved

01:41:50.960 --> 01:41:52.600
them. He even quoted Afghanistan as the most

01:41:52.600 --> 01:41:54.399
beautiful people in the world. God must have

01:41:54.399 --> 01:41:56.720
loved them more than anybody. He made them beautiful.

01:41:57.100 --> 01:41:59.380
He really fell in love with them. When did you

01:41:59.380 --> 01:42:01.520
start getting really into, like, Conquerors?

01:42:01.539 --> 01:42:03.800
When you were 15. When you were 15? Yeah. What

01:42:03.800 --> 01:42:06.439
introduced you to it? I was at the table eating

01:42:06.439 --> 01:42:08.979
with Cuss and a friend of mine named Craig Walsett.

01:42:09.680 --> 01:42:11.760
A statement, which he was wrong, but it sounds

01:42:11.760 --> 01:42:14.420
really good to make me investigate. He said Alexander

01:42:14.420 --> 01:42:17.260
the Great at his time was like 6 '5", so at 6

01:42:17.260 --> 01:42:20.239
'5", 300 years before Christ, that was a giant,

01:42:20.300 --> 01:42:23.399
which was wrong. He was very small. The armor

01:42:23.399 --> 01:42:25.479
was too big for him. He was a really small guy.

01:42:26.079 --> 01:42:30.359
He wasn't big at all. And so just that alone,

01:42:30.539 --> 01:42:32.300
him saying that got you interested? Yeah, I wanted

01:42:32.300 --> 01:42:34.479
him to say he was a monster, a massive guy, but

01:42:34.479 --> 01:42:36.600
then I found out he's just a small man, average

01:42:36.600 --> 01:42:39.600
guy. You know, he's not a mad monster at all.

01:42:39.760 --> 01:42:42.279
Not a big man at all. But you got interested

01:42:42.279 --> 01:42:46.319
in the mindset of the conquerors. Listen, this

01:42:46.319 --> 01:42:51.340
is what I want to know. Why would one person

01:42:51.340 --> 01:42:53.779
think that he could fucking own the whole world?

01:42:53.819 --> 01:42:56.420
One person. Why would he have that mind? Who

01:42:56.420 --> 01:42:59.979
would think like that? Why would a person? That's

01:42:59.979 --> 01:43:02.000
not a fucking person. That's just something.

01:43:02.729 --> 01:43:05.909
When your egos just got so out of whack, where

01:43:05.909 --> 01:43:09.590
you just can't think rational. How do you think

01:43:09.590 --> 01:43:12.710
like that? And you're a nice person. It was a

01:43:12.710 --> 01:43:14.390
guy before him, a couple hundred years before

01:43:14.390 --> 01:43:18.760
him, named Cyrus the Great. He was a conqueror,

01:43:18.779 --> 01:43:21.119
but he was a conqueror for liberty. He wanted

01:43:21.119 --> 01:43:23.479
to conquer all the slaves and let them go. Conquer

01:43:23.479 --> 01:43:25.939
all the slave masses, let them go. He got killed

01:43:25.939 --> 01:43:30.319
for that, too. Maybe that sounds cool, too, right?

01:43:30.739 --> 01:43:33.039
That's a good thing. But listen, think about

01:43:33.039 --> 01:43:35.420
it. Who the fuck is here to take somebody else's

01:43:35.420 --> 01:43:36.979
property, take somebody else's stuff because

01:43:36.979 --> 01:43:38.779
he believes it's wrong? Which it probably is

01:43:38.779 --> 01:43:40.840
wrong. I think it's wrong. But who the fuck is

01:43:40.840 --> 01:43:44.640
he? Who is this guy to conquer you? You don't

01:43:44.640 --> 01:43:46.810
bother nobody, but this is what they did. Now

01:43:46.810 --> 01:43:48.989
you're killing everybody. Back then, it was really

01:43:48.989 --> 01:43:50.689
legal. It's almost in the Bible. It's in the

01:43:50.689 --> 01:43:53.409
books. I won't say the Bible. It's in the books.

01:43:53.569 --> 01:43:55.130
Slavery. It's in the books. It's in the religious

01:43:55.130 --> 01:43:58.109
books that we need slaves. And this guy's going

01:43:58.109 --> 01:44:02.449
to say, hey, no more slaves. He's 500 BC, so

01:44:02.449 --> 01:44:05.609
he's going to say no more slaves. No more. Slavery

01:44:05.609 --> 01:44:08.319
is wrong. out through the whole world. So he

01:44:08.319 --> 01:44:10.300
wants to conquer the world and free all the slaves.

01:44:10.619 --> 01:44:13.300
Wow. So that's just a different mindset. Yeah,

01:44:13.340 --> 01:44:15.600
they're different kinds of mindsets that these

01:44:15.600 --> 01:44:17.479
conquerors have. It's not universal. But who

01:44:17.479 --> 01:44:20.500
do you think he is? Who the hell is he? He has

01:44:20.500 --> 01:44:21.939
his little town over here. How is he going to

01:44:21.939 --> 01:44:24.000
go over the whole world? His town is right here.

01:44:24.100 --> 01:44:27.060
Well, forget his town. His country is right here.

01:44:27.279 --> 01:44:31.149
Yeah. You know? And he didn't even conquer this

01:44:31.149 --> 01:44:32.630
country, and now he's going to conquer the world

01:44:32.630 --> 01:44:36.850
and liberate freedom, make freedom. Now, listen,

01:44:37.250 --> 01:44:39.510
if that's not somebody on drugs, you tell me.

01:44:39.890 --> 01:44:42.109
No, you tell me. Now, be honest. If that's not

01:44:42.109 --> 01:44:44.569
somebody high, you tell me. It could be coke.

01:44:44.829 --> 01:44:48.210
No, nigga, it's something. It's something. I'm

01:44:48.210 --> 01:44:52.229
going to free everybody. At 500 B .C., slavery

01:44:52.229 --> 01:44:54.529
is what it is. This is the way of the world.

01:44:54.609 --> 01:44:57.390
No, I'm going to free all the slaves. That's

01:44:57.390 --> 01:45:01.180
pretty crazy. Like, everybody. What did you get

01:45:01.180 --> 01:45:03.399
out of, like, reading about their mindset? Like,

01:45:03.460 --> 01:45:06.479
studying Temujin, studying Alexander the Great.

01:45:06.539 --> 01:45:08.420
Like, what did you get out of reading about their

01:45:08.420 --> 01:45:18.060
mindsets? I found out that the greatest ones,

01:45:18.340 --> 01:45:24.460
the best, the most politic ones, were all mama's

01:45:24.460 --> 01:45:28.750
boys. Really? Yeah, afraid of their mother. Wow.

01:45:29.310 --> 01:45:33.949
Napoleon Alexander. You know what I mean? Wow.

01:45:36.390 --> 01:45:40.590
Genghis Khan too? Yeah. Really? Yeah. What do

01:45:40.590 --> 01:45:42.770
you think that is? Huh? What do you think that's

01:45:42.770 --> 01:45:44.810
all about? Highly respect their mother. I think

01:45:44.810 --> 01:45:47.750
their mothers were the first, especially Alexander

01:45:47.750 --> 01:45:50.390
the Great, I think she was the first stage mother.

01:45:50.750 --> 01:45:54.210
I think there was some before her too. You know?

01:45:56.510 --> 01:45:59.850
Cleopatra, that's just what they were. They wanted

01:45:59.850 --> 01:46:02.250
to lead through their sons or their daughters

01:46:02.250 --> 01:46:07.329
or something like that. Oh, okay. Like that parent

01:46:07.329 --> 01:46:09.590
that takes their kids to athletic events and

01:46:09.590 --> 01:46:13.569
screams and cheers and pumps them up. No, no,

01:46:13.789 --> 01:46:19.390
no, no. It's the parent whose child's word is

01:46:19.390 --> 01:46:22.369
law, and I want to be able to have that word.

01:46:23.789 --> 01:46:26.329
Okay. Do you get that? Yeah. My son is the king.

01:46:26.510 --> 01:46:30.010
Right. This country, a couple of countries, but

01:46:30.010 --> 01:46:33.810
I want my thought to come out of his mouth. Do

01:46:33.810 --> 01:46:36.229
you think the parents convinced the child that

01:46:36.229 --> 01:46:37.949
they were that special that they should run the

01:46:37.949 --> 01:46:41.090
world? Some of them do, but as some kids get

01:46:41.090 --> 01:46:43.170
older, like Ivan the Great, Ivan the Terrible,

01:46:43.250 --> 01:46:45.229
they get older and then they realize these people

01:46:45.229 --> 01:46:47.149
weren't right towards me and they start killing

01:46:47.149 --> 01:46:49.390
his sponsors or the people that would represent

01:46:49.390 --> 01:46:52.529
their parents and stuff. Some of the kings did

01:46:52.529 --> 01:46:55.899
it too. So when you were studying this, when

01:46:55.899 --> 01:46:58.140
you were coming up as a boxer and you're studying

01:46:58.140 --> 01:47:00.659
all these conquerors, you were trying to understand

01:47:00.659 --> 01:47:03.079
their mindsets. Yeah. And you were trying to

01:47:03.079 --> 01:47:05.859
apply that to your own life? Pretty much, yeah.

01:47:06.100 --> 01:47:09.340
Did you get anything out of it? Yeah. Yeah? Yeah.

01:47:10.119 --> 01:47:13.119
What did you get? How did it apply to your own

01:47:13.119 --> 01:47:14.899
life? Well, at the end of the day, they're all

01:47:14.899 --> 01:47:22.920
ex -gods for forgiveness. All of them. So when

01:47:22.920 --> 01:47:24.760
you're reading all these books about all these

01:47:24.760 --> 01:47:26.600
conquerors, when you're a young man and you're

01:47:26.600 --> 01:47:28.680
on your way to becoming the youngest ever heavyweight

01:47:28.680 --> 01:47:32.319
champion and you're trying to take on the mindset

01:47:32.319 --> 01:47:33.939
of the conquerors and you find out they all ask

01:47:33.939 --> 01:47:36.119
God for forgiveness. Yes. How did that affect

01:47:36.119 --> 01:47:41.819
you? That was pretty cool because by that I learned

01:47:41.819 --> 01:47:46.149
greatness was the willingness to die. By you

01:47:46.149 --> 01:47:48.930
know doing researching on these particular individuals,

01:47:49.350 --> 01:47:51.770
and that's what they were willing to do for greatness

01:47:51.770 --> 01:47:57.630
Mm -hmm, and you know you heard about Achilles

01:47:57.630 --> 01:48:00.810
and stuff easy. He what did he want a short life

01:48:00.810 --> 01:48:05.930
of? Greatness than a long life of obscurity.

01:48:05.970 --> 01:48:08.470
Yeah, he took the short life, and that's what

01:48:08.470 --> 01:48:13.960
Alexander did When you study these people and

01:48:13.960 --> 01:48:19.840
you take that conqueror's mindset, did you get

01:48:19.840 --> 01:48:22.319
anything out of that? Did you apply that into

01:48:22.319 --> 01:48:26.920
your own pursuit as a champion? Absolutely. Because,

01:48:26.979 --> 01:48:29.899
listen, Alexander the Great was 32 and he conquered

01:48:29.899 --> 01:48:38.510
the known world in 10 years. And so thinking

01:48:38.510 --> 01:48:41.890
about that as a young man. Absolutely. I want

01:48:41.890 --> 01:48:46.189
my preeminence to vibe with the times, you know,

01:48:46.210 --> 01:48:48.470
in the sands of time. It's not rain with it.

01:48:48.850 --> 01:48:51.029
I think everybody should want that, that are

01:48:51.029 --> 01:48:56.789
competitive in the art of, what do you say, immortality.

01:48:56.930 --> 01:49:00.189
Yeah. And I'll search for it. That's what he

01:49:00.189 --> 01:49:02.590
wanted. He wanted immortality. That's what he

01:49:02.590 --> 01:49:05.090
wanted. He wanted to be known since, you know.

01:49:05.640 --> 01:49:07.760
till the end of time. Did you ever think that

01:49:07.760 --> 01:49:09.880
maybe you were born in the wrong time? That maybe

01:49:09.880 --> 01:49:11.739
if you were born in the times of Alexander the

01:49:11.739 --> 01:49:14.579
Great, you would also be a conqueror? No. I am

01:49:14.579 --> 01:49:16.300
a conqueror now because I've conquered myself

01:49:16.300 --> 01:49:20.979
and my demons. You know, not because I'm at that

01:49:20.979 --> 01:49:22.880
time. I'm never born until I'm born in the right

01:49:22.880 --> 01:49:25.720
time. Most of them couldn't conquer their demons.

01:49:26.880 --> 01:49:28.819
That's why they ask for forgiveness from God,

01:49:28.979 --> 01:49:34.220
all of them. Because just like the gentleman,

01:49:35.500 --> 01:49:43.960
that discovered Alcohol is Anonymous. He inspired.

01:49:44.180 --> 01:49:46.779
Maybe he had a problem with alcohol at the end,

01:49:46.880 --> 01:49:49.960
but how many people have he inspired? That is

01:49:49.960 --> 01:49:51.939
so much bigger than him succeeding or not with

01:49:51.939 --> 01:49:54.100
his problem. You know, what's interesting about

01:49:54.100 --> 01:49:58.489
him is he... Was interested in LSD. Bill Wilson,

01:49:58.590 --> 01:50:01.229
yeah. Yeah, that was a big thing of his. That's

01:50:01.229 --> 01:50:04.550
what instructed him to have the program, to develop

01:50:04.550 --> 01:50:07.069
the program. Yeah. When you're talking about

01:50:07.069 --> 01:50:11.909
they all would seek forgiveness from God, it's

01:50:11.909 --> 01:50:13.930
so interesting to me that you turned to cannabis,

01:50:14.010 --> 01:50:16.829
and cannabis allowed you to forgive yourself.

01:50:17.770 --> 01:50:20.270
Yeah, listen, the reason why they asked for forgiveness

01:50:20.270 --> 01:50:22.609
from God, this is why this is interesting that

01:50:22.609 --> 01:50:24.630
you said that, is because they believed they

01:50:24.630 --> 01:50:26.720
were God. And they just had to, at the end of

01:50:26.720 --> 01:50:30.000
the day, realize and check themselves. But they're

01:50:30.000 --> 01:50:32.279
not. Yeah. They're not God. And they've done

01:50:32.279 --> 01:50:34.939
horrific things. Oh, yeah. At the end of his

01:50:34.939 --> 01:50:37.079
life, he was so forgiving and giving everything

01:50:37.079 --> 01:50:39.859
away and so sorry for everything. He didn't know

01:50:39.859 --> 01:50:42.020
how to forgive himself either. He didn't know

01:50:42.020 --> 01:50:43.920
how. How do you do that when you think you're

01:50:43.920 --> 01:50:45.520
God? How do you forgive yourself? So at the end

01:50:45.520 --> 01:50:47.100
of the day, he said, look, the man who conquered

01:50:47.100 --> 01:50:49.579
the world. Died with nothing in his hand. He

01:50:49.579 --> 01:50:51.600
gave everything away. Had no swords or nothing.

01:50:51.859 --> 01:50:55.319
He was so freaked out about dying, being the

01:50:55.319 --> 01:50:57.840
rich guy and stuff, and having so much property

01:50:57.840 --> 01:51:00.199
and having the world like he possessed because

01:51:00.199 --> 01:51:02.359
he had the world. There's this gentleman that

01:51:02.359 --> 01:51:06.319
he, well, Eugenius, the guy that they named Sloth

01:51:06.319 --> 01:51:10.420
after. The animal Sloth? Eugenius. I don't know,

01:51:10.520 --> 01:51:13.159
but he was like, he's considered a homeless bum.

01:51:14.130 --> 01:51:16.630
Nowadays. Today he would be called a bum, a homeless

01:51:16.630 --> 01:51:19.310
guy, whatever. And Alexander had been watching

01:51:19.310 --> 01:51:21.590
him. This is how keen he is. He's watched this

01:51:21.590 --> 01:51:24.970
guy for years. And he said, listen, before he

01:51:24.970 --> 01:51:27.250
became king of Greece, he's watched this guy.

01:51:27.909 --> 01:51:29.890
This is when he was the king. And he said, hey,

01:51:29.909 --> 01:51:34.649
listen, I watch you and I have everything. And

01:51:34.649 --> 01:51:36.890
I'm unhappy and you don't have nothing. So what

01:51:36.890 --> 01:51:38.869
can I do for you to make you happy? You know

01:51:38.869 --> 01:51:40.550
what he said? You know what he had the balls

01:51:40.550 --> 01:51:43.340
to say? He said, first of all, you can be kind

01:51:43.340 --> 01:51:46.199
enough to move out the way of the sun and then

01:51:46.199 --> 01:51:50.319
allow me to enjoy my day. And he couldn't conceive

01:51:50.319 --> 01:51:53.340
of somebody to turn him down for riches and stuff.

01:51:53.399 --> 01:51:55.439
He couldn't conceive of it. It just blew his

01:51:55.439 --> 01:51:57.560
mind. He was so blown away, he couldn't even

01:51:57.560 --> 01:51:59.680
kill a guy for disrespecting him. He was just

01:51:59.680 --> 01:52:03.020
blown away. He said, I have everything. And he

01:52:03.020 --> 01:52:05.600
realized he wasn't happy. He had it all. He's

01:52:05.600 --> 01:52:06.880
the king of Greece. He didn't even know where

01:52:06.880 --> 01:52:08.800
he was getting ready to go. He's getting ready

01:52:08.800 --> 01:52:10.260
to be king of the world, but he's the king of

01:52:10.260 --> 01:52:13.279
Greece, and he's just not happy. And he has everything.

01:52:13.819 --> 01:52:15.640
So he thinks by conquering the world, it's going

01:52:15.640 --> 01:52:18.529
to make him happy. And he did. And what happened?

01:52:19.449 --> 01:52:24.909
He turned into a drug. Wow. Imagine that. It's

01:52:24.909 --> 01:52:27.750
crazy. That's how he experienced a new drug.

01:52:27.829 --> 01:52:30.470
Listen, when you went on a campaign, know what

01:52:30.470 --> 01:52:31.949
I thought? I thought when you went on a campaign,

01:52:32.130 --> 01:52:35.130
the movies lie. They say you go on a campaign,

01:52:35.170 --> 01:52:38.430
there's just about 300 gladiators or what, or

01:52:38.430 --> 01:52:40.130
10 ,000 soldiers. No, they bring their whole

01:52:40.130 --> 01:52:43.710
family with them. It's like a party. Their wives,

01:52:43.869 --> 01:52:48.189
their kids, everything. They got the surveyors

01:52:48.189 --> 01:52:51.329
are with them. House builders are with them.

01:52:51.409 --> 01:52:54.750
The people who deal with agriculture for that

01:52:54.750 --> 01:52:56.630
time. Everything is with them. Wine, even before

01:52:56.630 --> 01:52:59.329
they can test everything when they conquer. Conquering.

01:52:59.350 --> 01:53:01.810
You know what conquering is? We think that's

01:53:01.810 --> 01:53:03.810
glorious. Conquering is glorious. You know why

01:53:03.810 --> 01:53:07.619
it is? A conqueror is robbing, raping, illegally

01:53:07.619 --> 01:53:11.180
taking somebody else's goods and enslaving them.

01:53:11.399 --> 01:53:15.439
That's conquering. That's not good people. All

01:53:15.439 --> 01:53:17.579
the people we like, we say, these guys, this

01:53:17.579 --> 01:53:19.819
guy, he conquered this, he conquered that. They

01:53:19.819 --> 01:53:22.300
hurt people. They did it for greed. They didn't

01:53:22.300 --> 01:53:24.159
do it for we're going to help our people. They

01:53:24.159 --> 01:53:27.500
did it to take things because they could. Now,

01:53:27.539 --> 01:53:30.279
when you were coming up as a fighter and you

01:53:30.279 --> 01:53:32.819
were reading all these things about conquerors,

01:53:33.260 --> 01:53:36.079
You were fueling your mind in that way, and you

01:53:36.079 --> 01:53:39.020
were also studying a lot of fights. You studied

01:53:39.020 --> 01:53:43.239
all the old school champions. Are you doing that

01:53:43.239 --> 01:53:46.560
now in this resurgence? Are you studying films?

01:53:46.560 --> 01:53:48.699
No, because I think I know everything about them

01:53:48.699 --> 01:53:51.800
already. I did the research when I was a kid,

01:53:51.859 --> 01:53:56.159
so I started going to the other level. So I go

01:53:56.159 --> 01:53:58.380
from the level of these guys that are fighters,

01:53:58.659 --> 01:54:01.180
the gladiators, all those guys, so I go from

01:54:01.180 --> 01:54:04.619
them to the generals. and from the generals to

01:54:04.619 --> 01:54:09.420
the gods and that but that occupied a lot of

01:54:09.420 --> 01:54:10.979
your time when you were training right absolutely

01:54:10.979 --> 01:54:14.300
yeah but that what are you doing now like did

01:54:14.300 --> 01:54:16.340
there's anything that's similar that you did

01:54:16.340 --> 01:54:18.319
like when you were watching those old school

01:54:18.319 --> 01:54:20.779
tapes if you were watching like Jack Dempsey

01:54:20.779 --> 01:54:23.680
or Harry Greb or any of these old school fighters.

01:54:23.939 --> 01:54:26.279
There was something about that that was providing

01:54:26.279 --> 01:54:30.239
you the inspiration. You were learning from it,

01:54:30.260 --> 01:54:32.100
but it was also you getting yourself into this

01:54:32.100 --> 01:54:34.460
mindset. Yeah, because I know if I was like these,

01:54:34.579 --> 01:54:37.260
the coach would tell you, the more you win, the

01:54:37.260 --> 01:54:39.140
more you beat these guys, the more the people

01:54:39.140 --> 01:54:45.039
applaud, the more you enjoy doing it. And I wanted

01:54:45.039 --> 01:54:49.100
the people, I wanted the people to... have the

01:54:49.100 --> 01:54:52.640
same feeling towards me that I had towards the

01:54:52.640 --> 01:54:58.600
older fighters of yesterday. I was madly in love

01:54:58.600 --> 01:55:03.279
with fighters. And if I met a fighter hard, it

01:55:03.279 --> 01:55:05.100
was just, hey, who's this kid? Get this kid out

01:55:05.100 --> 01:55:06.899
of there. I would just bug him to death. Want

01:55:06.899 --> 01:55:08.279
me to carry your bag? Can I help you with this?

01:55:08.319 --> 01:55:10.659
Can I do this? You think they were going to like

01:55:10.659 --> 01:55:12.239
you for being in the world. Hey, get this fucking

01:55:12.239 --> 01:55:16.159
kid away. You're too enthusiastic. Yeah, I'm

01:55:16.159 --> 01:55:19.640
too extreme. Carry your bag. Can I help you with

01:55:19.640 --> 01:55:25.199
this? But you don't study films like that anymore?

01:55:25.779 --> 01:55:29.060
Periodically. But you know what I do? Sometimes,

01:55:29.239 --> 01:55:30.720
because I have YouTube, I look at YouTube and

01:55:30.720 --> 01:55:33.119
I have a fight. Lomachenko. I said, let me check

01:55:33.119 --> 01:55:34.840
him out. Let me check him out. Also, I may see

01:55:34.840 --> 01:55:37.060
some Ray Robbins and some Willie Pep stuff. They

01:55:37.060 --> 01:55:39.979
have one there. Let me check this out. Lomachenko's

01:55:39.979 --> 01:55:44.479
a wild guy to watch, isn't he? He's really nice

01:55:44.479 --> 01:55:47.479
to watch. Interesting, right? Yeah, I like watching

01:55:47.479 --> 01:55:49.239
him. The footwork is so extraordinary. I just

01:55:49.239 --> 01:55:50.920
like doing that. I like watching him. A lot of

01:55:50.920 --> 01:55:53.880
people hate on him, but that's how it is. He

01:55:53.880 --> 01:55:55.760
got the light. When people got the light, they

01:55:55.760 --> 01:55:58.539
go after you. Who else gets you excited that's

01:55:58.539 --> 01:56:01.119
fighting today? They got a couple of guys. Haney's

01:56:01.119 --> 01:56:06.359
good. The guy from Baltimore is good. It's quite

01:56:06.359 --> 01:56:09.819
a few. And they have a couple of guys that's

01:56:09.819 --> 01:56:12.279
under them that's pretty good that's going to

01:56:12.279 --> 01:56:14.319
come up and be really good with them. Errol Spence

01:56:14.319 --> 01:56:17.060
is really good. Terrence Crawford. Terrence Crawford

01:56:17.060 --> 01:56:19.119
is good. There's a bunch of good fighters out

01:56:19.119 --> 01:56:22.460
there. That little guy, Ryan Garcia. Yes. He's

01:56:22.460 --> 01:56:24.880
a little hot shit, right? He's a hot shit. He's

01:56:24.880 --> 01:56:26.819
got a crazy left hook. He's talking shit. I love

01:56:26.819 --> 01:56:28.979
it. He's like a kid. That baby. He's like talking

01:56:28.979 --> 01:56:30.880
shit. He's so cute. He's a handsome guy. He's

01:56:30.880 --> 01:56:32.899
a little baby talking shit. He's got a nasty

01:56:32.899 --> 01:56:35.340
left hook, though. Woo. And all the fighters

01:56:35.340 --> 01:56:37.899
now, they really into each other's face talking

01:56:37.899 --> 01:56:39.739
shit. They're really friends, you can see, but

01:56:39.739 --> 01:56:41.880
they're talking shit. Yeah. And I'm saying, I'm

01:56:41.880 --> 01:56:43.840
an insecure guy. I hit a puncher right in the

01:56:43.840 --> 01:56:45.260
face. Everybody might think I'm a punk and let

01:56:45.260 --> 01:56:47.619
them do that to me. And these guys are friends

01:56:47.619 --> 01:56:51.039
that look so cool. Yeah. Yeah. What do you think

01:56:51.039 --> 01:56:53.340
of the heavyweight division nowadays? All right.

01:56:53.880 --> 01:56:57.359
Joshua, everybody's good for their time. I don't

01:56:57.359 --> 01:57:00.220
think they're bums or anything like that. Everybody

01:57:00.220 --> 01:57:02.460
wants to have something negative to say about

01:57:02.460 --> 01:57:04.680
somebody. You know, these guys, this is their

01:57:04.680 --> 01:57:06.800
time. They're the best of their time. You got

01:57:06.800 --> 01:57:08.539
to give them that credit. You can't compete them

01:57:08.539 --> 01:57:11.119
with guys of the past or guys that are coming

01:57:11.119 --> 01:57:13.359
up now. This is just their time. This is what

01:57:13.359 --> 01:57:15.020
it is right now. Yeah, this is what it is right

01:57:15.020 --> 01:57:16.739
now. This is the time we're going to judge it

01:57:16.739 --> 01:57:20.630
from right here. What do you think? It's an interesting

01:57:20.630 --> 01:57:23.029
group at the very top of the heap, right? Tyson

01:57:23.029 --> 01:57:26.029
Fury, Deontay Wilder, Anthony Joshua. It's an

01:57:26.029 --> 01:57:29.930
interesting group at the top level right now.

01:57:30.649 --> 01:57:32.609
No, it's not interesting. They're all exciting

01:57:32.609 --> 01:57:35.569
fighters. They're all going to make a great deal

01:57:35.569 --> 01:57:37.170
of money if they just need to fight each other.

01:57:37.310 --> 01:57:39.350
It's stop bullshitting. It's all fight each other.

01:57:39.350 --> 01:57:41.449
Fight each other a couple of times. And then

01:57:41.449 --> 01:57:44.130
when this stuff is over, your guys can say, hey,

01:57:44.149 --> 01:57:47.659
listen, we did it our way. Right. You know, this

01:57:47.659 --> 01:57:53.739
is what happened to me. I'm such an egomaniac.

01:57:53.739 --> 01:57:55.899
I fell in love. This is going to last forever.

01:57:55.939 --> 01:57:57.380
I'm the king forever. I'm always going to be

01:57:57.380 --> 01:57:59.579
the king. This is the way it is. Fuck you. I

01:57:59.579 --> 01:58:01.659
never think about tomorrow, nothing. This is

01:58:01.659 --> 01:58:04.500
now. I'm the king. Just kiss my fucking ring.

01:58:04.659 --> 01:58:10.520
This and that. And the fact is, I never listened.

01:58:10.600 --> 01:58:12.439
This is what I didn't listen to because, hey.

01:58:14.039 --> 01:58:16.699
It's always really, don't take this personal.

01:58:16.699 --> 01:58:19.079
I took fighting personal. Because they don't

01:58:19.079 --> 01:58:22.039
take it personal. It's not personal. I took it

01:58:22.039 --> 01:58:24.279
personal. The ego makes me take it personal.

01:58:24.760 --> 01:58:26.680
So when he said don't take it personal, what

01:58:26.680 --> 01:58:29.539
did he mean by that? Don't allow it to stop you

01:58:29.539 --> 01:58:31.859
from living your life in a happy perspective.

01:58:32.180 --> 01:58:34.779
I lost a fight. Don't commit suicide. Start drinking

01:58:34.779 --> 01:58:38.100
and doing cocaine. Start fucking girls without

01:58:38.100 --> 01:58:39.939
brothers that you don't know. You met them 10

01:58:39.939 --> 01:58:43.380
minutes ago. Don't do these things, okay? Don't

01:58:43.380 --> 01:58:45.640
do these things or you lose a fight, Mike, okay?

01:58:46.479 --> 01:58:48.840
Don't do these things. You lose a fight. You

01:58:48.840 --> 01:58:50.720
shake the guy's hand. You go to the gym. You

01:58:50.720 --> 01:58:53.659
work harder. Prepare for the fight. You win the

01:58:53.659 --> 01:58:55.920
fight. You don't win the fight. You prepare harder.

01:58:56.000 --> 01:58:57.939
Wait for the next fight. You win the fight, you

01:58:57.939 --> 01:58:59.520
don't get to fight. Fight some other guys, you

01:58:59.520 --> 01:59:01.239
win the fight, then fight them again. The name

01:59:01.239 --> 01:59:04.020
of the game is that you stay busy, you keep working.

01:59:04.420 --> 01:59:06.039
How much different would things have been if

01:59:06.039 --> 01:59:08.220
Cuss stayed alive? Yes, really different. But

01:59:08.220 --> 01:59:10.859
it wasn't meant for that to be. I had to figure

01:59:10.859 --> 01:59:13.340
this stuff out. He couldn't protect me my whole

01:59:13.340 --> 01:59:16.960
life. Right. You know? Yeah, I've always wondered.

01:59:17.060 --> 01:59:18.539
I've always wondered what would have been different

01:59:18.539 --> 01:59:21.600
if he had stayed alive. Because, I mean, he guided

01:59:21.600 --> 01:59:24.560
you in such an amazing way. You know, and you...

01:59:24.560 --> 01:59:28.729
Cuss was just, listen. Cuss was just a hard guy

01:59:28.729 --> 01:59:33.329
to get along with. Cuss was just enemy prone.

01:59:33.430 --> 01:59:35.770
If he didn't have an enemy, he would create one.

01:59:35.949 --> 01:59:38.109
Really? One of those guys. He loved fighting.

01:59:38.609 --> 01:59:41.109
He wants to fight. If he doesn't fight, he doesn't

01:59:41.109 --> 01:59:44.489
want to live. Wow. He wants to fight. He needs

01:59:44.489 --> 01:59:46.649
to have somebody to fight. If he doesn't have

01:59:46.649 --> 01:59:48.529
somebody to fight, he'll find somebody to fight.

01:59:48.770 --> 01:59:51.850
He must have loved having you as a pupil. Well,

01:59:52.170 --> 01:59:54.630
I listened to everything he said. I listened

01:59:54.630 --> 01:59:56.350
to him. I was around him. He loved people who

01:59:56.350 --> 01:59:58.270
listened to him. And I took him to everything

01:59:58.270 --> 02:00:00.270
he said I would do. If he told me to kill somebody,

02:00:00.350 --> 02:00:03.850
I would kill somebody. You know? Anything he

02:00:03.850 --> 02:00:07.890
said, I did it. Do you think about him even today

02:00:07.890 --> 02:00:11.069
while you're training? Absolutely. Absolutely.

02:00:11.090 --> 02:00:13.149
I think about him all the time. You know what

02:00:13.149 --> 02:00:14.430
I mean? I think about him all the time. I wish

02:00:14.430 --> 02:00:16.949
he could have seen my kids. I wish you could

02:00:16.949 --> 02:00:19.289
have probably seen, you know, what I did, how

02:00:19.289 --> 02:00:21.710
I did, and how my kids turned out, and how they

02:00:21.710 --> 02:00:24.149
all went to great schools, and they did cool

02:00:24.149 --> 02:00:26.310
things, and they're just kids, and they're really,

02:00:26.470 --> 02:00:29.890
they're just really sweet kids that really don't

02:00:29.890 --> 02:00:32.670
understand life yet, and maybe because they didn't

02:00:32.670 --> 02:00:36.430
have a father like I had, things are different

02:00:36.430 --> 02:00:40.850
than it was for me. You don't want your kids

02:00:40.850 --> 02:00:45.369
fighting. No. I did that. That's why I did it.

02:00:45.369 --> 02:00:47.630
I didn't have to. I remember you were talking

02:00:47.630 --> 02:00:51.430
about your son hitting pads and him possibly

02:00:51.430 --> 02:00:53.090
fighting. Man, you don't want to fight an animal

02:00:53.090 --> 02:00:55.930
like me. There's people that have nothing to

02:00:55.930 --> 02:00:58.750
lose. The whole dream is about if I beat this

02:00:58.750 --> 02:01:02.590
guy, I'll get that new bike. I might get this

02:01:02.590 --> 02:01:04.569
car. That's how it was. Because if you win this

02:01:04.569 --> 02:01:06.189
tournament, I'm going to get you this. If you

02:01:06.189 --> 02:01:07.869
win this tournament, I'll get you your gold teeth.

02:01:07.989 --> 02:01:09.989
I will try to save my money up for my gold teeth.

02:01:10.250 --> 02:01:11.909
And if I win this tournament, he said, you win

02:01:11.909 --> 02:01:17.270
this tournament, I'll get your gold teeth. Everything,

02:01:17.529 --> 02:01:21.050
he always... Dangled a carrot. Yeah. You win

02:01:21.050 --> 02:01:22.489
this tournament, I'll do this. But if I didn't

02:01:22.489 --> 02:01:25.170
win the tournament, I didn't get the shit. You

02:01:25.170 --> 02:01:26.489
know, I thought he was going to say, I'll give

02:01:26.489 --> 02:01:28.649
it to you anyway. No, I don't get it. No. I don't

02:01:28.649 --> 02:01:31.390
get it. Well, listen, Mike, I'm very excited

02:01:31.390 --> 02:01:33.670
about your comeback. I am as well. I'm very happy

02:01:33.670 --> 02:01:35.449
that you're doing it. I'm happy you look fantastic.

02:01:35.670 --> 02:01:37.810
It was real cool to be able to sit down and talk

02:01:37.810 --> 02:01:40.770
to you about it, and I'm 100 % enthusiastic about

02:01:40.770 --> 02:01:42.470
it. Listen, sir, I look forward to seeing you

02:01:42.470 --> 02:01:44.149
there because I'm sure some people will be there,

02:01:44.229 --> 02:01:47.210
and we're excited. I would try to be there live.

02:01:47.390 --> 02:01:49.350
I would love to be there live if it's possible,

02:01:49.390 --> 02:01:51.250
if I could be there. I'm just going to love this

02:01:51.250 --> 02:01:53.869
shit. I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm excited looking

02:01:53.869 --> 02:01:56.649
at you being fit and how enthusiastic you are,

02:01:56.770 --> 02:01:58.390
and I wish you nothing but the best, brother.

02:01:58.409 --> 02:02:00.350
Thank you. Thank you. The same with you, man.

02:02:00.430 --> 02:02:02.210
You have so much success in doing your little

02:02:02.210 --> 02:02:05.890
podcast here, man. Thanks, brother. Shit. Who

02:02:05.890 --> 02:02:10.909
would you want to interview? I don't have anybody

02:02:10.909 --> 02:02:12.949
in my head that I need to interview. You want

02:02:12.949 --> 02:02:15.149
to do Bill Clinton and none of those guys? I'd

02:02:15.149 --> 02:02:16.829
like to do Bill Clinton. I'd like to get high

02:02:16.829 --> 02:02:18.789
with Bill Clinton. Oh, fuck. You know, he has

02:02:18.789 --> 02:02:21.130
a brother named Roger. He's such an awesome guy.

02:02:21.329 --> 02:02:24.130
Yeah? Yeah, I saw Roger before at my friend's

02:02:24.130 --> 02:02:26.149
house. And Roger is just a beautiful person.

02:02:26.529 --> 02:02:30.539
Yeah. But I don't need to. I would. If he wanted

02:02:30.539 --> 02:02:32.000
to do it, I would do it, but I don't need to.

02:02:32.079 --> 02:02:34.359
I like talking to everybody, man. I like talking

02:02:34.359 --> 02:02:36.260
to my friends. I like talking to you. I like

02:02:36.260 --> 02:02:39.520
talking to anybody. You know what I did a couple

02:02:39.520 --> 02:02:41.000
of times? I talked to some homeless people, and

02:02:41.000 --> 02:02:43.840
they're very interesting. Sometimes I think I'm

02:02:43.840 --> 02:02:46.880
going to overwhelm them intellectually, and I

02:02:46.880 --> 02:02:50.239
get humbled sometimes. Well, a lot of homeless

02:02:50.239 --> 02:02:51.699
people are really smart. They're just fucked

02:02:51.699 --> 02:02:55.829
up. Whatever part of your head that you couldn't

02:02:55.829 --> 02:02:58.050
keep it together. That's what I mean. I think

02:02:58.050 --> 02:03:01.289
I know this guy's out and dirty and teeth fell

02:03:01.289 --> 02:03:03.630
out and this guy started enlightening me and

02:03:03.630 --> 02:03:06.149
shit. And then he has to tell me to leave because

02:03:06.149 --> 02:03:08.989
I'm stuck there. Tell me I'm going to get out

02:03:08.989 --> 02:03:12.010
of here. Are you enjoying doing hot boxing? Hey,

02:03:12.069 --> 02:03:14.289
listen, I haven't done it in a while since this

02:03:14.289 --> 02:03:16.630
stuff. Since you started training? Yeah, and

02:03:16.630 --> 02:03:22.100
that's cool, too. That's cool, too. I don't think

02:03:22.100 --> 02:03:24.119
I'm a good host while I'm under this kind of

02:03:24.119 --> 02:03:27.619
duration. I understand. Yeah. No, like I said,

02:03:27.699 --> 02:03:30.100
I could see the intensity. You're ramped up right

02:03:30.100 --> 02:03:31.720
now. You're a different person than the last

02:03:31.720 --> 02:03:34.140
time I talked to you. Yeah, I guess. But excited.

02:03:34.800 --> 02:03:36.899
It's exciting. That's what my wife thought. She

02:03:36.899 --> 02:03:38.600
shouldn't have told me to get on that treadmill.

02:03:39.359 --> 02:03:41.180
Really, she doesn't believe it. You predicted

02:03:41.180 --> 02:03:43.699
it, man. You predicted it on this show. You said,

02:03:43.720 --> 02:03:46.439
I don't want to reignite my ego. Yeah. And you

02:03:46.439 --> 02:03:50.000
did it. But I'm excited that you did it. I'm

02:03:50.000 --> 02:03:52.460
excited. I can't wait for November 28th. Man,

02:03:52.460 --> 02:03:55.380
listen. God, man. I've been working. I'm going

02:03:55.380 --> 02:03:57.720
to show you when I leave here then. Okay. All

02:03:57.720 --> 02:04:00.100
right. Show me. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, brother.

02:04:00.319 --> 02:04:02.779
Thank you very much, sir. Thank you. Bye, everybody.

02:04:04.420 --> 02:04:06.979
Woo! Yeah, let me show you something, man. I

02:04:06.979 --> 02:04:07.840
want to show you me and Ro.