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Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan

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Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by

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night, all day. Oh, man. What's happening, baby?

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Everything and nothing at the same time. I was

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just explaining all the shit that's on this desk.

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It's like everybody likes to give me something

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that sits here, which is kind of cool. Like Ed

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Calderon gave me this. It's like a WD -40. With

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a lighter attached to it, you can fucking blast

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people. Is it like a self -defense? I don't know.

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He's always got these things, like cartel things.

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That looks like it's 3D printed. Yeah. Yeah.

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I think it is. That's cool. Yeah. I mean, it's

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a real portable flamethrower. Holy shit. I love

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this. From two common items. And then I think

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it was Luke Caverns gave me this. Is that who

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gave me this? The Olmec head. It's from the Olmecs.

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Oh, is that what it is? Yeah. And then, of course,

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my man John Reeves has always given me these

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mammoth things. I got mammoth teeth. Oh, this

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is actually from Colossal. But he gave me a 1911

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handle. That's legit. Yeah. Even though, do you

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have any 1911s? No. Yeah. I got 2011s. Yeah,

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of course. It's a huge upgrade. Yeah. But, you

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know, I'm sure it'll probably be able to fit.

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You can bring it to a gunsmith. He can make it

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fit. Yeah. Well, you know what you could do?

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You could have him make one for your bow. So

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you could put the bone on each side of your bow.

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Oh, I have that. You have it? Yeah, from Rattler

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Grip. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is another

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piece. Shout out to Handsome Rob at Rattler Grip.

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He always hooks me up. Gives me those keep hammering

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ones. Yeah, those are cool. Yeah, it feels better,

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too. It feels better in the hand. It's interesting,

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like, Hoyt doesn't have a whole lot of options.

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Like, UltraView doesn't make their handles for

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Hoyt, but they make them for Matthews because

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he shoots Matthews. But it's a nice handle upgrade.

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It really does, like, the way it sits in your

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hand, it really does feel, like, a little better.

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Are you still... Putting them on your Hoyt for

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everyone. The rattler grips. You do? Yeah. Yeah.

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These are great. He just sent me some new ones.

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It feels better. And the bone, there's something

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about the bone. It's more tactile in your hand

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than the plastic. Well, I've been wrapping mine

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with that camouflage athletic tape. Oh, really?

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Yeah. Bomar sells stuff like that. He sells specific

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bow grip. Right. It's got a little bit of tackiness

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to it, but some people think you shouldn't have

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that. They think your hand should be so relaxed

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that it should be able to slip around your hand

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so there's like no torque whatsoever. in your

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front hand. I don't like that. I like to feel

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the dexterity of it, right? I like to have a

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little bit of relief in the hand in the context

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of, like, I've got to have some grippiness to

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it. Just like a baseball bat or any other things.

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Even all of the, like, Glocks and 2011s, I'll

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still do an upgrade on the stippling and clean

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a little bit more, but I've also got giant hands

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for a... Well, I shouldn't be... I shouldn't

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say I'm small. Like... I am two inches taller

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than the average Asian woman. I don't like to

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brag about it. I don't want to come out with

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that right away. It just might seem a little

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bit egotistical. Yeah, but if you do anything,

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I think it's just like whether it's with archery

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or anything with shooting, it just has to...

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Register with you. It's not it's not gonna be

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the same with everybody. Hmm Yeah, I know dudes

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who just can't get used to finger triggers And

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that's other some dudes just love finger triggers

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and some guys just have to shoot a hinge and

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some guys just can't do it I I shoot them all

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man. Yeah, like I just have so I got that that

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dump bag now that I'll basically all wear on

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the side and then I'll do the the hinge roulette.

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So I'll just like reach in there, reach in. And

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then I got to shoot a hinge or I got to shoot

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this. And the only way that's that you don't,

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or that the mix up part, you've got to shoot

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the wrist strap, right? You have to put that

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on. So you can't just do shooter roulette with

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all of that. But that's the, the wrist straps

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a little bit more involved, but I love having

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them. I've been using the wise guy. I've been

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ever since our last hunt, I've been only using

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the wise guy and I'm used to it now. It took

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a while. I was like hammering the trigger for

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a little bit. The thing is, it's like with archery,

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once your form breaks down and then you try to

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compensate because you're tired, I think I should

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just limit myself to one hour. And after one

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hour, just stop. So is that what you're doing

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every day is basically an hour? Yeah. A little

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bit more, a little less. Yeah, but it's when

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it's more, it's when things go sideways. Like

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I'll give myself like a few minutes break to

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let my arm relax. And then I just, I'm just,

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it's too much compensating because my arm's tired.

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Right. And not enough, especially because the

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bow's 84. Now I got the new one that's 90 pounds.

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Is that what you're shooting every day? Yeah.

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You're shooting 90 pounds. 84 every day. 84 every

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day. I haven't set up the 90 yet. It's still

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an archery country. And then do you, are you

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going out to 100 plus every day too? Or are you

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sticking to like 85? 85. It's my standard in

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my backyard. As long as there's no one wandering

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around. When people are wandering around, I tend

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to, I got, you know, like this landscaper's,

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I don't do the long bomb. I've got, my wife is

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redoing this. little garden house in the back

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so she won't let me shoot at it anymore because

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she's afraid I'm gonna put an arrow through her

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little hut that she's making. She's actually

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doing all the work too. She's got like a tool

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belt on and she's out there hammering away. Oh,

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that's great. She's doing all the work. Wow.

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So she's like, you can no longer use this as

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your backstop because it was just a pile of shit

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that I could basically shoot arrows at. Oh, that's

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a bad trade. It's a super bad trade. Yeah, I

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need a backstop. You gotta fuck off. Like, we

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were talking about like must -haves for backyards.

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Like, I gotta I'm not living in a house where

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I can't shoot at least 50 yards. No. I go out

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in the backyard. I get my range finder. I bring

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a range finder when I look at houses. No bullshit.

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Are you serious? 100%. I've been doing it for

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the last like six, seven years. Before I bought

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this house. When I bought the house in Austin,

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it was a big yard. I'm like, we're good. I just

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had to find a spot. I was like, this is at least

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100 yards from here to here. Have you ever punched?

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punch the trigger and put one out in the river.

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I guess you shouldn't tell me that. No, I never

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shoot towards the river because kayakers, you

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never know when something, because like the kayakers,

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they like to go like real close to the shore.

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And it's like, if you hear, fuck, that would

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suck. Oh my God. I'd be in such deep shit. I

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would never do it. I wouldn't, I just wouldn't.

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Deep shit. Deepest of deep shit. An asshole like

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me who's always promoting archery, I shoot a

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kayaker with a field tip right through the fucking

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forehead. Is he some poor lady? Like a unicorn

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running off the river. Oh, God. Oh, my God. I

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very rarely, I mean, if I'm shooting broadheads,

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I really know where I'm going. Yeah. I don't

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fuck around. But with field tips, I'll launch

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some bombs. But it's never in an area where there's

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anything behind me. No. I don't. It's just too

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risky. I had, so I had a little archery range

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in the back of my Salt Lake City building. And

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I used to let everybody. Use it in the company

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and then after you've worked for the company

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for a while you'd get your choice you get like

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a staccato or a rifle or a bow and then we're

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doing we still do right we still do a lot of

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better and adaptive athlete shoots and the tactical

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or Tactical games and the total archery challenges.

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So I've given away a hundred bows probably. Oh,

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that's all company Do you let them pick their

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brand and the whole deal? No, no, no. We partner

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with Hoyt on the last batch. Then we partner

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with PSE. We partner with anybody that wants

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to go in 50 -50 on us. Oh, great. That's awesome.

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But then we'll make them Black Rifle custom.

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So it's cool camouflage, a little branding on

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it. But here's the downside of that. When you've

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got a bunch of people shooting in the back. And

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I had a storage facility in the back. There were

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always arrows in this, like, storage area. And

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so finally our general counsel came to me. He's

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like, no more. You got to stop. You can't shoot

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any more arrows. So I banned it for everybody

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except for me. Me, Logan, you know, Matt, basically

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the people that could have either absorbed the

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legal fees or at least, like, explained it away.

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Well, the thing about archery is it's such a...

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It's a skill that 100 % degrades. Yeah. Like

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you have to stay on it. Yeah. And you just can't

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trust that everyone's staying on it. No. It's

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even hard for me if I take three weeks off. Yeah.

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I was having that a little bit of tendonitis

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in my left elbow. So I took like a month off

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after running season. And you put it back in

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your hand and it feels almost like a foreign

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object. I know. It feels horrible. It's just

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gross until you have at least three or four days

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of shooting consistently back into the groove.

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You can't put the arrow where you want. It's

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just... Three weeks off. And it feels to me like

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the more consistent I am in off -season, like

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the entire year, those are the years where I'm

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really shooting my best. You can't just get back

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on the bow like a month before you have to go

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hunt. You can't do it. I can't. I know guys that

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can. Guys that I grew up with that have been

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shooting since they were nine. Right, but they're

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really good shots. Imagine how good they would

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be if they did it all the time. Yeah. Like a

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guy like Cam. Like, he's not taking any time

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off. No. He's shooting every day. Period. But

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that's part... He takes pleasure in the pain,

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too. He doesn't take time off because he's...

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That would be relaxing. Yeah, it'd be relaxing.

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Like, imagine... Just imagine that. Like, Cam

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Haines on vacation. His feet up, you know, drinking

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on the beach. Is that even like a... No. It's

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not even a thing. I've gone on vacation with

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them. Have you really? Yeah, but we went vacationing

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in Lanai where we could bow hunt. Yeah, yeah.

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So we would bow hunt at least once a day because

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Lanai, you know, you've been. It's one of the

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craziest places on earth. It's great. For people

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that don't know, there's 3 ,000 people and 30

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,000 deer. Yeah. And they were given to King

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Kamehameha by whoever the head dude was in India.

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He gave them a gift of access. Is that where

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they came from? Mm -hmm. I didn't realize that

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that was the actual timeline. Yeah. I didn't

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realize that. Yeah. And they're everywhere. They're

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amazing. They tried to reintroduce them, try

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to introduce them to the big island. Like, I

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know Shane Dorian was all pumped about it, but

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then they eradicated them. People killed them.

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They said they were invasive. I think they need

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to be everywhere they can be. They're delicious.

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They're delicious. They're the most delicious.

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Of the deer. Of course. Next to elk. For me,

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it's elk and then axis. But axis are the most

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challenging to hunt. They're the fastest things

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I've ever seen in my life. They move so fast,

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it doesn't even make sense. It's like, how are

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you doing that? You could dodge an arrow from

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30 yards away, and the arrow's not even close

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to them when it gets there? I had a female bedded

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at 30, and she jumped the string on her bed at

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30 yards. That was my first shot. I realized.

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Holy shit. Yeah, they're different, man. I've

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got to up my game. Well, it's like they evolved

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with tigers. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's the thing.

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It's like you've got to be able to go. Can you

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imagine how tough you would be if you evolved

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with tigers? That would be sick. Well, that's

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the problem with America, period. It's like there's

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not enough. There's too many people running around

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with zero physical challenges. And they're so

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soft. Like, there's a giant percentage of our

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population that is so soft. And if, like, if

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there was, like, if the world went nuclear, we

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lost everything, and then it was, like, hand

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-to -hand battles, every country could invade

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America if we ran out of bullets. Once we run

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out of bullets, every country can fuck us up.

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Yeah. You can walk, run. I think... Well, that's,

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you know, with coffee, right? The best coffee

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shops are like, it's so much stuff on Instagram.

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It's so funny because you walk into a coffee

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shop and if you see the craziest looking freak,

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it's going to have the best coffee. What is that

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about baristas? I don't know, but it's the same.

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There's so left wing weirdo fucking lip rings.

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Oh yeah. How many nose rings do you have? Like

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how many colors do you have in your hair and

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how many pronouns do you have? Because that's

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like, you're going to make. That's the greatest

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espresso. I've ever had and that's the joke right

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cuz I'll go cruise around like in Austin for

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the last couple weeks Yeah, you see a dude who's

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jacked with a hand tattoo. He's gonna make you

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a bullshit coffee. It's like I can make you pour

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over I mean I can just pour it over. You know

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what? He'll make you some cowboy coffee Fucking

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one of them tin pots you put on the fire take

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his sock off or something like I'm good. I'm

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all set man What is it about baristas? Like,

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how did that become such a left -wing safe place?

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You know, I don't know. I think the origin of

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it comes from San Francisco, Seattle, right?

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All the, we'll say the left wing, left coast,

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all of the wokas. Hubs. Yeah, because that also

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drove most of what I would say is the third and

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fourth wave. Because there's one, two, three,

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four basic waves in coffee. The third and fourth

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wave are the most recent. The fourth wave would

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be considered single origin, very lightly rose

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coffees. And you've been to these coffee shops.

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You know what they look like. It takes you 15

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minutes to get a cup of coffee. They typically

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won't even talk to you. They look down at the

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computer screen. Going to be decent cop, right?

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So if you go first wave, which is going to be

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like Folgers, Maxwell House, that's like been

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around for a hundred years. That's a commodity

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coffee. It's going to have Robusta. It's going

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to be darker roasted. That's going to be first

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wave. And then a second wave would be experiential.

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So it'd be more like Starbucks kind of second

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wave would be experiential dark. And then third

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wave would be more artisan micro lot, single

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origin. And then fourth wave is. kind of a mix

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of the best in third wave that really activates

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your senses in the sense of like, now they're

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doing anaerobics, so they're using things from

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like wine and beer, and they're developing all

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these different profiles. But that artisan craft,

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the genesis in like San Francisco and Seattle

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from third wave, they took on identity politics

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and then drove it through the trade. It's pretty

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impressive. It's so weird because if you go anywhere,

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you can get amazing cups of coffee. You're just

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going to like wade through the woke -ism to go

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get it. Yeah. I can't go there. No. I was at

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a Starbucks the other day and two lesbians walked

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in. They saw me and they left. What? That's how

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bad it was? They said, we can't. We can't do

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this. Seriously? They looked in my face and they

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said, we can't do this. And they left. I was

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like, I'm a big fan. Yeah. I'm a big fan of your

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work. I'm a big fan of your work. I had a cup

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of coffee from Starbucks, which I rarely go into,

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but it was with my family. And it was so bad.

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A cup of black coffee. It's all a drink. I don't

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put anything in it. I was like, this is like

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not drinkable. It tastes like shit, which is

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like everybody throws a bunch of cream in there

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and a bunch of sugar in there and you get your

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caffeine and it tastes like what you like. But

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if you just try to just drink coffee at Starbucks,

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it is such a bad product. And that doesn't have

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to be like that. Well, part of the problem is

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when they over roast it because they know it's

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going to have cream and sugar in it. But why

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over roast it then? Because you can make a consistent

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profile and it's just consistently very dark

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and extremely acidic, basically. And that becomes

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the consistency in the product. Do you think

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people have this thing in their head that the

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darker the coffee is, the stronger it is? Yeah,

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of course. That's one of the huge misconceptions,

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right? Right. It's just bucket the misconceptions

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in here, which is, you know, coffee is not a

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bean. It's a fruit. So it's a cherry. And then

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you roast the pit. So the second one would probably

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be the darker you roast something, the more caffeine

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it's going to have, which is absolutely not the

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case. It's the opposite. It's completely opposite

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because you get two. genetic strains you've got

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robusta and arabica robusta is smaller bean it's

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got more caffeine it's also more bitter arabica

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probably constitutes probably 60 to 70 percent

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of the world's coffee but it's more flavor it's

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got less caffeine and it's less acidic in general

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and then when you over roast it you can kind

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of combine multiple lots multiple Variants of

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Arabica. Oh, I see. And then you can make this

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consistent profile. So it consistently sucks.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. But if you're going to put

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cream and sugar in it, nobody cares because they're

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like, I just need something that's going to serve

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as a caffeine vehicle for my cream and sugar.

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I know, but wouldn't that be okay if you just

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had good coffee and did that and didn't burn

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it? Well, I do. I think that's where third...

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Third wave and fourth wave, it's more directly

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related to the quality of the coffee. It's no

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cream, no sugar. And it's more first and second

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wave, it's cream and sugar. Because you're going

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to have to cover up the inconsistencies. Well,

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some people just like it anyway because what

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they're getting is a treat. They're not thinking

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of it as, like, I'm drinking coffee. Like, they're

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getting a treat. Right. Like, if you have order

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a Frappuccino. It's a milkshake. It's a milkshake.

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Yeah. Yeah. There's tons of sugar. Yeah. Tons

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of caffeine too. You're like sitting in your

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cubicle. You got like a hundred grams of sugar,

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200 milligrams of caffeine. You're like, you're,

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you're skyrocketing with just energy until you

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crash and then you need another one. Yeah. And

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then you're just doing that all day and frying

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your central nervous system. And then when you

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get out of work, you just die. You just go home

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and go home and melt on the couch and watch some

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sports, man. Yeah. Your insulin. all fucked up

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you're falling asleep like it's the coffee the

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coffee nerd conversations just put half the fucking

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audience to sleep too i don't care i don't care

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yeah yeah it's so funny man i'll start talking

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about it i'm like i should not because i was

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a comms guy that back in in my previous profession

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my previous life and it's so funny because when

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you talk about communications and just technology

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in general and you start analyzing like you know

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frequencies and and uh spectrum analyzers or

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whatever whatever you want to talk about people's

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eyes would just glaze over in the team room and

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i'm like all right well you guys want to go blow

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some shit up like why don't we shift the topic

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Well, there's a lot of people that have a hard

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time focusing on something that isn't exciting.

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Oh, yeah. For whatever reason. Even if it's like

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important technical details that will help you

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do things that are exciting. You know, it's the

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delayed gratification. Right. They're the same

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type of people that don't like to do cold plunges

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or don't like to do certain things that like.

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You're not going to feel an immediate benefit.

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It's going to suck while you're doing it, so

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you put it off. You've got to have a mindset

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that there's some things that suck that will

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make the things that are exciting way better.

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Like for comics, it's writing, like sitting down

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and writing. Because a lot of comics don't want

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to write. They just want to come out with ideas

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through the day and then work them out on stage.

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I'm like, that is great. You can do that. But

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you should also write because the ideas that

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come to you while you're writing, they won't

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come any other way. And those are like little

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gifts from the user. And you the only way you

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get them is you got to sit down With a fucking

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pad of paper or a computer in front of you and

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come up with them you got to sit down and start

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working and let the mind just Just slowly, but

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surely pop them out. How often do you do that

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at least four days a week for our tools? Yeah,

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at least at least an hour. I try to write a thousand

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words So it might be an hour. It might be two

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hours. And then out of those thousand words,

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I might get a paragraph. Like, there it is. That's

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what I was looking for. You're basically looking

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for arrowheads in a field. You know, you're picking

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up a giant clump of dirt, and you're shaking

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it out and washing it over, and ah, got one.

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So do you try that out on anybody before you

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actually? No. No, you just like, okay, this is

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the concept. I'm pretty sure I got something.

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When I got something, I'm pretty sure I got it,

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but I don't know what it's going to be until

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the audience tells me. Well, you have your own

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club, so you can just try it out. That helps

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a lot. You just, like, drive in. Matt's Wednesday.

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Let me drive this out. But even when I didn't,

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I would go to the store. I would go to the, like,

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say if I have a bit and it's exciting. I'm like,

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oh, I wrote something that's good. I would go

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to the improv, and then I would go to the store,

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and maybe I'd go to the ice house. Right. I'd

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bang out a few sets, at least two in a night.

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You know, you could travel around. Like, L .A.

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was really good for that. Austin's amazing for

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that. There's seven clubs on my street now. What?

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Oh, yeah. Between my street and the neighboring

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street. So you got... Us, and then right down

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the street is the Sunset Room, which Red Band

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owns. And then right up across from that, you've

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got Creek in the Cave, which is awesome. And

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then you've got the Vulcan, which is right down

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the street. And there's a bunch of other small

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rooms. There's the Black Rabbit. There's all

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these rooms that have comedy at least three or

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four nights a week. So if you're like a guy or

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a girl coming up right now in Austin, you could

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really work. And they're all paying. So you're

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collecting $50 here. My club pays more. My club

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pays the most. But all these different places.

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They pay, you know, like actual money for you

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to do a set. At the end of the night, you got

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a few hundred bucks. You can get something to

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eat. Like there's all these companies that don't

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have to do the road now. Right. So like they

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used to just have to do the road to pay their

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rent and for food. You don't have to do that

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anymore. You could like stay in town and really

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build up material and then go out on the road.

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Is the material going to shift? I know it's regionally

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you've got to have. Year, I'm not saying like

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left or right. I'm just saying does the material

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have to shift based on where you're at So if

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you're in LA is the crowd a little bit different

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The people are gonna be more accepting less accepting

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expect something a little bit different here

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You can't you just like here's the joke. Yeah,

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let me run it. Well, the good thing is if they're

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not accepting of an idea maybe you should re

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-examine that idea and maybe figure out like

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why am I maybe I should figure out a better way

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to make this idea acceptable you know because

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there's ideas where I'll start it off and it's

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just like ooh this isn't going anywhere and then

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I'm like there's gotta be an angle in here and

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then I'll find a whole another angle like ha

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ha now I have it and then I have to find an angle

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like what if I was a woman and I was watching

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this and I'm looking at this fucking meathead

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on stage and I'm like okay like I gotta figure

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out a way to get them to understand that just

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because I look like this doesn't mean I'm a bad

00:24:21.440 --> 00:24:25.720
guy. Let me work this into your head first and

00:24:25.720 --> 00:24:28.400
then explain it from my perspective. It's funny

00:24:28.400 --> 00:24:30.599
because I look like this. It doesn't mean I'm

00:24:30.599 --> 00:24:34.059
a bad guy. It's an automatic assumption. Yeah.

00:24:34.180 --> 00:24:37.079
You know, I mean, it's an untold prejudice that

00:24:37.079 --> 00:24:40.799
like men with muscles in particular are assholes.

00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:44.420
Right. Like instantly. Yeah, you've got a very

00:24:44.420 --> 00:24:47.240
definitive look. And then as soon as you open

00:24:47.240 --> 00:24:48.599
your mouth, they're assuming that you're going

00:24:48.599 --> 00:24:51.779
to be just the complete asshole. Right. Yeah,

00:24:51.900 --> 00:24:54.539
I can see that. A mean person. Yeah, yeah. Covered

00:24:54.539 --> 00:24:58.660
in tattoos. Cage fighting commentary. I know

00:24:58.660 --> 00:25:00.839
that you can craft a joke because you've been

00:25:00.839 --> 00:25:03.619
doing this forever. But is there a certain amount

00:25:03.619 --> 00:25:07.279
of pleasure that you get now from... bombing

00:25:07.279 --> 00:25:11.900
sometimes? Smoking in? Terrible. Really? I always

00:25:11.900 --> 00:25:13.880
say bombing on stage is like sucking a thousand

00:25:13.880 --> 00:25:16.119
dicks in front of your mother. The difference

00:25:16.119 --> 00:25:18.279
is there's probably a guy out there that likes

00:25:18.279 --> 00:25:20.160
sucking a thousand dicks in front of his mother.

00:25:20.259 --> 00:25:25.259
You made me do this, mom. Come on, mom. 99! There's

00:25:25.259 --> 00:25:27.819
a guy out there that would take some... I mean,

00:25:27.819 --> 00:25:29.380
there's people who are into shit porn and all

00:25:29.380 --> 00:25:33.740
kinds of other things. You're drawing the same

00:25:33.740 --> 00:25:36.019
parallel to bombing and people are interested.

00:25:36.200 --> 00:25:39.039
shit porn yeah if you like bombing you can you're

00:25:39.039 --> 00:25:41.339
into people shitting in your mouth like it's

00:25:41.339 --> 00:25:43.299
not fun you don't want people to have a bad time

00:25:43.299 --> 00:25:45.740
they're there to have fun these people work they're

00:25:45.740 --> 00:25:48.420
working all day they're fucking tired you want

00:25:48.420 --> 00:25:50.579
them to have a good ass time and the only way

00:25:50.579 --> 00:25:52.700
for them to have a good ass time is for you to

00:25:52.700 --> 00:25:57.730
do your job right you know but it's uh It has

00:25:57.730 --> 00:26:00.289
to sometimes not work well. And there's like

00:26:00.289 --> 00:26:02.349
this moment when I'm about to do a new bit. I'm

00:26:02.349 --> 00:26:04.049
like, God, I don't even want to do this. I don't

00:26:04.049 --> 00:26:06.150
know where this goes. But I have to. You got

00:26:06.150 --> 00:26:08.470
to trot it out there and hope that you could

00:26:08.470 --> 00:26:11.549
find an angle. So you don't try those on with

00:26:11.549 --> 00:26:16.109
your wife? She'd be the worst. She'd be the worst.

00:26:16.109 --> 00:26:17.829
She'd just tear you down? She'd just stare at

00:26:17.829 --> 00:26:25.039
me like, what is wrong with you? It's like she

00:26:25.039 --> 00:26:27.039
and I have a very good balance because she's

00:26:27.039 --> 00:26:29.740
so different than me She's so but has a lot of

00:26:29.740 --> 00:26:32.140
the same values as me. Yeah, you know like discipline

00:26:32.140 --> 00:26:35.039
and she's very smart She's interested in things

00:26:35.039 --> 00:26:38.660
but we were very different Well, it's so funny

00:26:38.660 --> 00:26:41.380
because but my wife and I will walk around right

00:26:41.380 --> 00:26:44.519
and I'm a very amateur comedian to surround my

00:26:44.519 --> 00:26:46.740
friends I try to I try really hard right? I'm

00:26:46.740 --> 00:26:49.039
not even close I'm just like, you know, I specialize

00:26:49.039 --> 00:26:51.299
in stupid shit that I said basically that's where

00:26:51.299 --> 00:26:55.059
I'm going with this And she when I get her to

00:26:55.059 --> 00:26:59.259
laugh, that's like that means way more to me

00:26:59.259 --> 00:27:02.259
than. Oh, yeah. But my friends. Sure. I can make

00:27:02.259 --> 00:27:04.119
them laugh like I can make my employees laugh.

00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:08.160
I can't pay them to. But like when my wife laughs,

00:27:08.319 --> 00:27:10.079
that means it's fucking funny. That's legit.

00:27:10.180 --> 00:27:13.519
It means it means something. It's like it's legit.

00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:16.200
She's like a one person crowd. Right. So we're

00:27:16.200 --> 00:27:18.849
walking around. I was talking about. Have you

00:27:18.849 --> 00:27:20.829
seen that Bert Kreutzer free Bert have you seen

00:27:20.829 --> 00:27:22.730
his new series? I've only seen trailers, but

00:27:22.730 --> 00:27:25.089
everybody that saw it loves it It's it's it's

00:27:25.089 --> 00:27:28.430
really funny man like and so I was like we should

00:27:28.430 --> 00:27:30.150
watch this you should check it out She watched

00:27:30.150 --> 00:27:31.490
like five minutes. She's like this is such a

00:27:31.490 --> 00:27:35.789
dude show. Fuck you. I'm never watching But it's

00:27:35.789 --> 00:27:37.650
the same it's like what I want to watch and I

00:27:37.650 --> 00:27:41.049
think is funny she's like absolutely not but

00:27:41.049 --> 00:27:44.049
then she's wants to watch some true crime thing

00:27:44.049 --> 00:27:47.490
around a dude that killed his wife. They love

00:27:47.490 --> 00:27:50.829
that. They love it. Why do they love that? It's

00:27:50.829 --> 00:27:53.349
so weird. It's like genetic that they love it,

00:27:53.369 --> 00:27:55.690
because my kids love those shows. Really? They

00:27:55.690 --> 00:27:59.269
love serial killer expose shows and all these

00:27:59.269 --> 00:28:01.809
true crimes. And I don't like any of that. I

00:28:01.809 --> 00:28:03.170
was talking to my daughter about it, and she

00:28:03.170 --> 00:28:06.490
said, because girls don't do things like this,

00:28:06.490 --> 00:28:09.690
so we kind of want to see what's going on in

00:28:09.690 --> 00:28:13.470
a man's mind. that makes it such a mystery. You

00:28:13.470 --> 00:28:15.150
know what I'm saying? Like it's such a mystery.

00:28:15.890 --> 00:28:20.930
Like most men can imagine a scenario. where there's

00:28:20.930 --> 00:28:22.950
a bunch of people that did some horrible shit

00:28:22.950 --> 00:28:26.670
in a room and you just go in there and fucking

00:28:26.670 --> 00:28:30.509
kill all of them. Most men, most men can say,

00:28:30.589 --> 00:28:32.450
oh yeah, there's a place. There's a place. Like

00:28:32.450 --> 00:28:34.450
if someone did something and I knew they did

00:28:34.450 --> 00:28:36.750
something and they're in that room and they need

00:28:36.750 --> 00:28:39.450
to go, they need to go. Most women can't think

00:28:39.450 --> 00:28:41.430
like that. They don't think like that. It's not

00:28:41.430 --> 00:28:44.009
inside their head. And then there's the darkness

00:28:44.009 --> 00:28:46.490
of it. These aren't men that are doing something

00:28:46.490 --> 00:28:48.309
to someone who deserves it. They're just doing

00:28:48.309 --> 00:28:51.769
it to vulnerable people. They're just evil creatures

00:28:51.769 --> 00:28:54.990
who just want to go out and hunt vulnerable people.

00:28:55.269 --> 00:28:58.309
And I think women want to know that there are

00:28:58.309 --> 00:29:00.470
men like that out there that are so different

00:29:00.470 --> 00:29:03.849
than them so they can put it in their head. Like,

00:29:03.849 --> 00:29:07.650
okay, serial killers are real. These true crime

00:29:07.650 --> 00:29:10.490
shows have showed me this, and I want to know

00:29:10.490 --> 00:29:13.630
what to look for. Right. That's right. Whereas

00:29:13.630 --> 00:29:16.369
have you ever spent a second of your life in

00:29:16.369 --> 00:29:19.650
fear or fearing a serial killer? Not really.

00:29:20.630 --> 00:29:24.289
It's not a realistic fear, but if I was at a

00:29:24.289 --> 00:29:27.089
truck stop and there was some fucking shady dude

00:29:27.089 --> 00:29:29.809
that came into the bathroom after me and he was

00:29:29.809 --> 00:29:31.589
like waiting outside, it didn't look like he

00:29:31.589 --> 00:29:33.230
needed to use the bathroom. I'd be a hundred

00:29:33.230 --> 00:29:36.640
percent on guard. Like there's people that will

00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:40.400
just randomly kill people just for a thrill and

00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:42.740
get away with it. And I think there's way more

00:29:42.740 --> 00:29:44.960
of them getting away with it than they'd like

00:29:44.960 --> 00:29:49.640
us to know. Like here's a good example. In Austin,

00:29:49.819 --> 00:29:54.440
what is the actual number of people who have

00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:57.819
bodies that have been found in – put this into

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00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:02.480
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00:30:02.619 --> 00:30:07.519
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00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:11.140
have been found drowned in Lady Bird Lake over

00:30:11.140 --> 00:30:14.460
the last three years? It's something crazy. Is

00:30:14.460 --> 00:30:16.539
it really? Yeah, it's like 30. I thought this

00:30:16.539 --> 00:30:18.619
was just a funny joke for Tony to talk about.

00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:20.839
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's like a real

00:30:20.839 --> 00:30:22.640
thing. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's real. Right.

00:30:22.700 --> 00:30:24.720
It's real. So the cops don't want to say it's

00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:26.680
a serial killer. They think it's because it's

00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:28.779
over by Rainy Street. A lot of people are partying.

00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:33.910
But the bodies keep piling up. 38. What? And

00:30:33.910 --> 00:30:36.009
they want to say it's not a serial killer? Since

00:30:36.009 --> 00:30:41.309
2022, data showing at least 38 bodies found in

00:30:41.309 --> 00:30:47.890
or around Lady Bird Lake. Separate map -based

00:30:47.890 --> 00:30:51.230
analysis of Lady Bird Lake, deaths, downtown

00:30:51.230 --> 00:30:54.490
area reports, four deaths in 2022, five in 2023,

00:30:54.930 --> 00:31:01.890
five in 2024, two in 2025. So this is... In the

00:31:01.890 --> 00:31:04.769
downtown area, these map numbers focus on a specific

00:31:04.769 --> 00:31:07.630
stretch of the lake, while the 38 body figures

00:31:07.630 --> 00:31:10.309
covers all bodies found in or around the lake

00:31:10.309 --> 00:31:11.970
in that period. These might be right near that

00:31:11.970 --> 00:31:13.809
bar area on Rainy Street. Right, right on Rainy

00:31:13.809 --> 00:31:17.230
Street, yeah. Or other parts of the lake. So

00:31:17.230 --> 00:31:20.549
they're basically saying these guys get drunk

00:31:20.549 --> 00:31:24.829
and they end up passing out in the water. I mean,

00:31:24.910 --> 00:31:28.769
all you would have to do is get someone drunk

00:31:28.769 --> 00:31:29.930
enough where you could hold them underwater.

00:31:30.269 --> 00:31:32.420
Yeah. It's not, I mean, if you were a guy who

00:31:32.420 --> 00:31:34.759
wasn't drinking or you had a really good tolerance

00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:38.380
or you're a big person. No evidence of serial

00:31:38.380 --> 00:31:41.339
murder. Says the patterns match typical accidental

00:31:41.339 --> 00:31:45.500
drowning risks. Young adult men, nightlife, easy

00:31:45.500 --> 00:31:51.220
water access. Or some guy was drowning gay guys.

00:31:51.869 --> 00:31:53.670
Could be. Because a lot of them are gay. Like

00:31:53.670 --> 00:31:55.490
a giant percentage of these guys are gay. Yeah,

00:31:55.589 --> 00:31:57.809
yeah, yeah. Because it's near a gay area. Oh,

00:31:57.809 --> 00:32:00.250
okay. Rainy Street is like the party area where

00:32:00.250 --> 00:32:02.950
there's a lot of gay bars. Got it. That's why

00:32:02.950 --> 00:32:04.910
it's such a funny joke for Tony. Yeah. Well,

00:32:04.950 --> 00:32:08.470
it's a weird thing, man. It's a weird thing because

00:32:08.470 --> 00:32:10.869
at what point in time does someone have to get

00:32:10.869 --> 00:32:14.470
caught before they say, oh, Jesus, these weren't

00:32:14.470 --> 00:32:16.789
just a coincidence. Someone was drowning people.

00:32:17.309 --> 00:32:19.109
Because I don't think it was a common thing.

00:32:19.410 --> 00:32:21.849
I think like, you know, you maybe get one a year,

00:32:21.950 --> 00:32:24.150
some fucking drunk hops off a boat and doesn't

00:32:24.150 --> 00:32:26.069
know what he's doing and drowns. That does happen.

00:32:26.309 --> 00:32:30.509
But this is not that. This is way more. 38 bodies

00:32:30.509 --> 00:32:33.390
in a few years is kind of kooky. Well, and how

00:32:33.390 --> 00:32:35.509
many of those, if you think about it, right,

00:32:35.650 --> 00:32:38.210
how many serial killers are out there? Because

00:32:38.210 --> 00:32:40.289
FBI, obviously, they've done the analysis on

00:32:40.289 --> 00:32:43.789
it. There's probably like 100, 200, 300 active

00:32:43.789 --> 00:32:47.000
serial killers at any point in time. Always.

00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:49.640
There's always, yeah. Always has been. And most

00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:52.900
of them will all say, yeah, I wanted to get caught.

00:32:53.079 --> 00:32:55.599
Or, yeah, it took you long enough. I was getting

00:32:55.599 --> 00:32:59.180
sloppy. My murder lust took over. There was 200

00:32:59.180 --> 00:33:08.519
since 2004. Oh, my gosh. What? Oh, my God. Autopsy

00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:10.720
report found alcohol present in a large share

00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:13.180
of the cases, sometimes at levels above the legal

00:33:13.180 --> 00:33:15.230
driving limit, which is not much. By the way,

00:33:15.289 --> 00:33:17.950
the legal driving limit is like two drinks. And

00:33:17.950 --> 00:33:21.009
police specifically describe most rainy street

00:33:21.009 --> 00:33:24.970
area drownings as alcohol or drug related. I've

00:33:24.970 --> 00:33:27.250
heard people getting, you know, dosed. They get

00:33:27.250 --> 00:33:29.369
like roofied and whatnot. And they're like, I've

00:33:29.369 --> 00:33:31.650
heard a lot, too many cases. Never in a city

00:33:31.650 --> 00:33:33.250
have I lived I've heard that many people saying

00:33:33.250 --> 00:33:35.910
they've been roofied. Yeah. No, I think it's,

00:33:35.910 --> 00:33:39.890
I don't think it's specific to here. I think

00:33:39.890 --> 00:33:42.269
it's everywhere. It's GHB, I think, is a lot

00:33:42.269 --> 00:33:44.720
of it. People are dosing people up with GHB.

00:33:45.380 --> 00:33:47.559
That's a big one. How many serial killers are

00:33:47.559 --> 00:33:51.200
there? Yeah. How many active serial killers do

00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:55.480
they estimate are in America right now? Let's

00:33:55.480 --> 00:33:58.519
guess. I'm going to say 10. You think 10? Yeah.

00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:01.619
I think 100. Whoa. Yeah. I'm going 100. This

00:34:01.619 --> 00:34:03.740
is like a Wheel of Fortune type scenario. Yeah,

00:34:03.740 --> 00:34:07.599
man. Holy shit. 100's nuts. If it's 100. I think

00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:15.599
it's 100. That's crazy. 300. Huh? 25 to 50 at

00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:19.960
any given time. Wow. Range reflects killers who

00:34:19.960 --> 00:34:22.739
have committed at least two murders with a cooling

00:34:22.739 --> 00:34:25.320
off period and are still operating undetected.

00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:28.440
I like the cooling off period. Maybe I need to

00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:31.239
take a break. Scrubbing the fucking blood out

00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:33.719
of the inside of your fingernails. Serial killings

00:34:33.719 --> 00:34:36.059
make up less than 1 % of U .S. homicides overall.

00:34:36.829 --> 00:34:39.650
Numbers peaked at around 300 in the 1970s and

00:34:39.650 --> 00:34:42.929
1980s. There was 300 active serial killers in

00:34:42.929 --> 00:34:46.530
the 70s and the 80s? I bet that was because that

00:34:46.530 --> 00:34:50.050
was when there was like Son of Sam. Was it trendy?

00:34:50.309 --> 00:34:52.789
Yeah. I think it was probably a lot of bored

00:34:52.789 --> 00:34:54.969
dudes who just didn't like working in an office.

00:34:55.389 --> 00:34:58.070
It's like Ted Bundy and Son of Sam. All those

00:34:58.070 --> 00:34:59.730
guys were like the Green River. All over the

00:34:59.730 --> 00:35:03.940
news. All over the news. Yeah. It was huge. Why

00:35:03.940 --> 00:35:06.239
are there fewer serial killers now than there

00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:10.260
used to be? What was the answer? That's probably

00:35:10.260 --> 00:35:11.960
just because it's easier to get caught now. People

00:35:11.960 --> 00:35:14.139
are probably more afraid to try. Yeah, because

00:35:14.139 --> 00:35:16.099
you think about all the technology and the surveillance.

00:35:16.400 --> 00:35:19.679
Like, you get rolled up. Yeah. I think the creepiest

00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:23.659
one was that dude who studied serial killers

00:35:23.659 --> 00:35:26.059
in college and then went and killed those girls

00:35:26.059 --> 00:35:29.199
at that dorm house. You know that story? What

00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:32.019
was that in Seattle? I think it was Bundy. Yeah,

00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:34.059
it was Ted Bundy, right? No, no, no, a recent

00:35:34.059 --> 00:35:37.619
one. Oh, it was recent. Recent, yeah. He knew

00:35:37.619 --> 00:35:41.380
the people that lived there. He studied, what

00:35:41.380 --> 00:35:44.659
did he study exactly in college? Like he was

00:35:44.659 --> 00:35:46.579
studying it like he was trying to learn how to

00:35:46.579 --> 00:35:49.079
not get caught. Oh. Yeah, this guy, this fucking

00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:52.360
creep. Whoa. Horrific new details about the final

00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:55.500
moments of the four University of Idaho stabbing

00:35:55.500 --> 00:35:57.460
victims. Oh, gosh. So that's where I'm to school.

00:35:57.519 --> 00:35:59.400
That's University of Idaho. He stabbed the four

00:35:59.400 --> 00:36:02.960
victims at least 150 times in total. I didn't

00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:06.400
realize that was like the case from Moscow. Yeah.

00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:09.280
That's crazy. Jesus Christ. Yeah. This sick fuck.

00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:14.679
So this guy, he was studying it in college. So

00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:19.829
I forget what criminal justice. Let's see if

00:36:19.829 --> 00:36:23.369
we could find out but it was very clear that

00:36:23.369 --> 00:36:25.710
he had been planning this a long time and there

00:36:25.710 --> 00:36:29.110
was also a Possible connection to him and some

00:36:29.110 --> 00:36:31.530
murders from the Pacific Northwest that they

00:36:31.530 --> 00:36:34.389
he knew the people People died in a kind of a

00:36:34.389 --> 00:36:35.849
similar way. He might have gotten away with it

00:36:35.849 --> 00:36:38.329
up there, right? So he tried it up there and

00:36:38.329 --> 00:36:44.230
then went to Idaho Oh my gosh, well that makes

00:36:44.230 --> 00:36:47.610
sense it does yeah, so he's He's educating himself

00:36:47.610 --> 00:36:49.969
on how to get away with it. He was that guy that

00:36:49.969 --> 00:36:52.510
if you had your comms class, he'd be sitting

00:36:52.510 --> 00:36:55.269
there like this. He's like way into it. Yeah,

00:36:55.269 --> 00:36:58.010
way into it. Oh, okay, yeah. Yeah, he wanted

00:36:58.010 --> 00:37:00.409
to know all the details. Pacific Northwest is

00:37:00.409 --> 00:37:02.909
like, that's a spot. These guys love it up there.

00:37:03.010 --> 00:37:04.789
I don't know if it's like the rain, you know?

00:37:05.170 --> 00:37:07.989
Well, we had a lady that was connecting it. She

00:37:07.989 --> 00:37:10.230
came on the podcast and she was connecting a

00:37:10.230 --> 00:37:12.349
bunch of serial killers from a very specific

00:37:12.349 --> 00:37:15.210
area that did a lot of, it was mining, right?

00:37:15.980 --> 00:37:19.500
Wasn't it mining in the industrial pollution?

00:37:19.739 --> 00:37:23.500
Oh, so it was like increased lead or something,

00:37:23.579 --> 00:37:25.159
right, in the water or something? What was the

00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:31.900
processing of it? What are those when they're

00:37:31.900 --> 00:37:34.739
burning it? Yeah. What's that called? Leaching?

00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:38.409
Yeah, it was lead. But it was other stuff. It

00:37:38.409 --> 00:37:40.510
was other stuff like there's arsenic in it and

00:37:40.510 --> 00:37:42.289
there's a lot of shit. But what am I looking

00:37:42.289 --> 00:37:46.510
for? Why can't I come up with that term? The

00:37:46.510 --> 00:37:50.489
plants where they burn all the shit. Power plants.

00:37:51.170 --> 00:37:54.010
What's the term? God damn it. Caroline Frazier

00:37:54.010 --> 00:37:56.030
was her name though. I don't know. What's her

00:37:56.030 --> 00:37:59.519
name? Caroline Frazier. Maybe Paul would know

00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:02.099
if he got stamets on here and he could talk about

00:38:02.099 --> 00:38:05.039
the mushroom or the fungi in the Pacific Northwest.

00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:07.239
Maybe it has something to do with it. I don't

00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:09.099
think so. I think that'll probably stop him from

00:38:09.099 --> 00:38:11.679
doing it. But her take was that there was all

00:38:11.679 --> 00:38:15.380
these places. What is the term I'm looking for

00:38:15.380 --> 00:38:17.500
where they incinerate shit like a power plant,

00:38:17.619 --> 00:38:20.460
like a coal plant? There's a term. I can't remember

00:38:20.460 --> 00:38:24.300
what it is. Anyway, they're releasing. incredible

00:38:24.300 --> 00:38:26.800
amount of toxins in the atmosphere. And a lot

00:38:26.800 --> 00:38:28.619
of the shit is coming down in rain. It's getting

00:38:28.619 --> 00:38:30.519
in the ground. All the ground around there is

00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:34.179
all polluted. Everything's polluted. And so what

00:38:34.179 --> 00:38:36.760
her take is that all these people have suffered

00:38:36.760 --> 00:38:39.519
chemical pollution. And a lot of that chemical

00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:41.840
pollution leads to all sorts of weird psychological

00:38:41.840 --> 00:38:45.400
disorders and psychosis and all kinds of shit,

00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:48.119
depending upon the levels of exposure. So this

00:38:48.119 --> 00:38:51.420
is why you have an increased... serial killers

00:38:51.420 --> 00:38:52.920
in the Pacific Northwest. This is interesting.

00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:55.000
Yeah, there was a bunch of power plants up there.

00:38:55.139 --> 00:38:58.940
Interesting. Coal plants and smelting and, you

00:38:58.940 --> 00:39:01.340
know, just a lot of mining. There's a lot of

00:39:01.340 --> 00:39:04.329
mineral -rich resources up there. So I should

00:39:04.329 --> 00:39:06.630
be concerned because I spent the most of my life

00:39:06.630 --> 00:39:09.170
up there. Well, half of it at least. Yeah. It

00:39:09.170 --> 00:39:11.269
depends. I think now they've cleaned it up though.

00:39:11.429 --> 00:39:13.809
Like she was connecting it to a long time ago,

00:39:13.869 --> 00:39:16.369
but there's areas back there where she was saying

00:39:16.369 --> 00:39:18.829
that they do an analysis of the soil and it's

00:39:18.829 --> 00:39:20.869
just completely fucked. How long has it been

00:39:20.869 --> 00:39:24.050
since you've done like Seattle? Oh, I haven't

00:39:24.050 --> 00:39:28.840
been back in a while. I did. The Tacoma Dome

00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:31.760
with Dave Chappelle. We did that right before

00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:34.480
the pandemic popped. Oh, OK. And I really haven't

00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:38.119
been back. It's just like once that whole Chaz

00:39:38.119 --> 00:39:40.780
thing went down and they locked off the block

00:39:40.780 --> 00:39:42.699
and the mayor said, maybe it's the summer of

00:39:42.699 --> 00:39:47.139
love. Or maybe you've got some fucking crazy

00:39:47.139 --> 00:39:49.000
people that you've empowered to take over a giant

00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:51.019
swath of your city and you're cool with it. And

00:39:51.019 --> 00:39:53.420
you're the fucking mayor. And by the way, she.

00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:56.099
is an upgrade compared to their current mayor.

00:39:56.159 --> 00:39:59.219
The current mayor is, that choice is insane.

00:39:59.619 --> 00:40:01.739
Woman who's never held a real job. She's been

00:40:01.739 --> 00:40:04.320
living with her parents. She's 40. They pay her

00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:07.179
bills. She's a socialist. She rides a bike. She

00:40:07.179 --> 00:40:09.199
doesn't even own a car. And now she's in charge

00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:12.440
of what? A $7 billion budget? That makes sense.

00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:16.110
Yeah. Two thumbs up, Seattle. Congratulations.

00:40:16.570 --> 00:40:19.710
You've done a great job. I don't know where those

00:40:19.710 --> 00:40:22.829
places go. Those places that have gone like full

00:40:22.829 --> 00:40:25.510
into Wokeville, like a buddy of mine just went

00:40:25.510 --> 00:40:28.230
to Portland and he was like, bro, it's bananas.

00:40:28.710 --> 00:40:31.929
It's like a complete mental asylum, like spilled

00:40:31.929 --> 00:40:34.949
out onto the streets. Not just the campers, not

00:40:34.949 --> 00:40:38.449
just the open air drug. Users everywhere because

00:40:38.449 --> 00:40:40.369
for a long time they decriminalized everything

00:40:40.369 --> 00:40:42.510
in Portland So everybody ramped it up a notch

00:40:42.510 --> 00:40:44.530
and moved to Portland because that was a place

00:40:44.530 --> 00:40:46.369
where you could do drugs and not worry about

00:40:46.369 --> 00:40:49.670
anything But he was like all the regular people

00:40:49.670 --> 00:40:53.789
are cracked the place like Spending as much time

00:40:53.789 --> 00:40:55.550
as I have in Seattle, which I used to live there.

00:40:55.610 --> 00:40:58.349
I loved that city late 90s loved it Oh, it's

00:40:58.349 --> 00:41:00.030
amazing. Great. It was one of my favorite places

00:41:00.030 --> 00:41:02.449
such a cool spot cool people and then you saw

00:41:02.449 --> 00:41:06.579
this flip And it was right around 2010 is when

00:41:06.579 --> 00:41:08.820
things really flipped over. And to your point,

00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:13.219
they had your car was your domicile, so you couldn't

00:41:13.219 --> 00:41:15.199
get a parking ticket. So you could basically

00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:17.519
live in front of somebody's house in a parking

00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:19.239
spot, and they couldn't write a parking ticket.

00:41:19.239 --> 00:41:21.840
That started in 2010? Give or take a couple years.

00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:26.619
And so I went back to my, I had a house up there

00:41:26.619 --> 00:41:30.269
for a while. And the week, the day I decided

00:41:30.269 --> 00:41:32.050
that I was going to sell this place, like we

00:41:32.050 --> 00:41:34.630
fly up there. I've got my daughter. She's like

00:41:34.630 --> 00:41:36.630
a year old. My wife and I are walking down the

00:41:36.630 --> 00:41:38.469
street. And this is a part of the city. It's

00:41:38.469 --> 00:41:41.090
called Ballard, which is beautiful part of the

00:41:41.090 --> 00:41:44.690
city. Tons of like old bars. Awesome place back

00:41:44.690 --> 00:41:49.969
late 90s, early 2000. But then there was a camper

00:41:49.969 --> 00:41:52.070
in front of my condo. And then there was a naked

00:41:52.070 --> 00:41:56.440
man with a tennis racket. My daughter's a year

00:41:56.440 --> 00:42:00.519
old, his dick's flying around, and my one -year

00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:02.280
-old's, like, I'm holding her, like, walking

00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:03.940
away from the other end. He's got a tennis racket.

00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:06.079
He's, like, planting a U .S. Open in his head,

00:42:06.139 --> 00:42:08.820
whatever he's doing. And then on the corner,

00:42:08.900 --> 00:42:12.480
no less than 50 feet away, there was a half -naked

00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:15.139
lady, like, taking a shit. And you're like, nah,

00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:17.639
time to leave. I think this is, I think we're

00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:20.500
all good here. We had an issue like that in California

00:42:20.500 --> 00:42:23.280
for a while. Oh, yeah. Where when the economy

00:42:23.280 --> 00:42:26.079
started to go south, now this is pre -pandemic

00:42:26.079 --> 00:42:28.659
as well, we started having these campers camp

00:42:28.659 --> 00:42:31.880
out right in front of our studio. And they would,

00:42:32.059 --> 00:42:34.800
the studio where we had in LA, even in that place,

00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:37.519
it was the warehouse. We had a big lawn in front

00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:39.260
of the warehouse. And these guys would spread

00:42:39.260 --> 00:42:42.480
out. on the lawn so they would park their camper

00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:45.059
there and then they would like cook out and they

00:42:45.059 --> 00:42:47.800
would lay out and so like you're in this bill

00:42:47.800 --> 00:42:49.679
you're asking people to walk past these people

00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:52.619
to go do your podcast in this big ass warehouse

00:42:52.619 --> 00:42:55.630
that i had leased And I was like, why are you

00:42:55.630 --> 00:42:57.710
doing this? Like, you can't be doing this. You

00:42:57.710 --> 00:43:01.190
can't just use my lawn as your front yard. Like,

00:43:01.190 --> 00:43:03.469
this is crazy. I mean, spread out, dude. They

00:43:03.469 --> 00:43:05.329
had shit laying out there. There's nothing you

00:43:05.329 --> 00:43:07.690
can do. Well, there was. Oh, really? Yeah, we

00:43:07.690 --> 00:43:10.050
contacted the police. And the police, eventually,

00:43:10.230 --> 00:43:12.230
they realized this is not a good thing. And they

00:43:12.230 --> 00:43:14.190
moved them all. But they moved them to different

00:43:14.190 --> 00:43:16.309
parts of town. And so then you would drive to,

00:43:16.329 --> 00:43:18.650
like, the more industrial areas of town that

00:43:18.650 --> 00:43:21.670
didn't. Like, our place was, like, semi -industrial.

00:43:21.690 --> 00:43:23.329
There was a bunch of warehouses. But there was

00:43:23.329 --> 00:43:25.659
also. So a bunch of like foot traffic businesses,

00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:27.780
restaurants and stuff like that. And so they

00:43:27.780 --> 00:43:29.460
moved them out of there. But if you go into the

00:43:29.460 --> 00:43:31.559
deeper industrial places where they have factories

00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:34.280
and stuff, they were there. Like whole blocks

00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:36.179
of them where you just have campers laying out

00:43:36.179 --> 00:43:38.920
and just open meth smoking. These people are

00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:41.820
just full on meth heads that had just started

00:43:41.820 --> 00:43:45.059
a community of. fellow meth enthusiasts with

00:43:45.059 --> 00:43:47.219
campers and a lot of their campers didn't even

00:43:47.219 --> 00:43:49.659
run they could just get it to the spot wherever

00:43:49.659 --> 00:43:52.760
it was and then they would steal power you know

00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:54.539
every now and then the dude would die because

00:43:54.539 --> 00:43:56.519
he didn't know how to do the wires right and

00:43:56.519 --> 00:43:59.900
he'd get cooked yeah that's right it's it's the

00:43:59.900 --> 00:44:02.300
same where we're at in salt lake i'd have full

00:44:02.300 --> 00:44:04.699
-time security out in front of them Like literally

00:44:04.699 --> 00:44:07.079
in front of the building. Our concern was when

00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:09.380
we left. It was like if we left at night and

00:44:09.380 --> 00:44:11.579
someone broke in, it would take fucking forever

00:44:11.579 --> 00:44:14.079
for cops to show up and do something about it.

00:44:14.539 --> 00:44:17.500
And so I was like, you just can't have these

00:44:17.500 --> 00:44:22.039
guys knowing that like famous people and, you

00:44:22.039 --> 00:44:24.000
know, high profile people are going to be at

00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:26.380
that spot. And you've got like open meth smoking

00:44:26.380 --> 00:44:28.519
right in front of the place. Like this is too

00:44:28.519 --> 00:44:32.599
crazy. They're too unpredictable. You know, look,

00:44:32.699 --> 00:44:34.380
I don't care if you live in your truck. It's

00:44:34.380 --> 00:44:37.360
probably cool. If you're a guy who's like you've

00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:39.840
checked out of society essentially and you just

00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:42.179
like playing pickleball all day and you live

00:44:42.179 --> 00:44:45.809
in a camper. Who cares? Go and do that. But once

00:44:45.809 --> 00:44:49.409
you start engaging in meth smoking and then it's

00:44:49.409 --> 00:44:51.949
always theft. Theft comes with meth smoking.

00:44:52.170 --> 00:44:54.210
And there's a lot of break -ins in the area.

00:44:54.469 --> 00:44:56.570
And it got to the point where the cops had to

00:44:56.570 --> 00:44:58.369
do something. So credit to them that they did.

00:44:58.530 --> 00:45:00.710
It's almost a difference between hashtag van

00:45:00.710 --> 00:45:04.150
life and hashtag meth life. Yeah. There's a big

00:45:04.150 --> 00:45:06.510
difference. Right. Van life is like you want

00:45:06.510 --> 00:45:11.010
to be a guy who's not. saddled down to one particular

00:45:11.010 --> 00:45:14.010
spot. You have a place that's in this van that

00:45:14.010 --> 00:45:16.389
has a bed. You have a little tiny kitchen area.

00:45:16.630 --> 00:45:19.070
You have a little portable fridge. It's all you

00:45:19.070 --> 00:45:21.750
need. I don't need a fucking house. Just travel

00:45:21.750 --> 00:45:24.449
around. It's probably fun. The freedom of it,

00:45:24.570 --> 00:45:26.750
you know? Like Alex Honnold, that crazy dude

00:45:26.750 --> 00:45:30.130
that just climbed that tower in Chinese Taipei,

00:45:30.269 --> 00:45:33.110
he used to live like that for a long time. He

00:45:33.110 --> 00:45:34.809
had a big van. He would park it in his friend's

00:45:34.809 --> 00:45:36.849
driveway sometimes, and he would just travel

00:45:36.849 --> 00:45:40.610
to trailheads and live out of his van. That's

00:45:40.610 --> 00:45:43.650
like the minimalist attraction, right, where

00:45:43.650 --> 00:45:45.570
you're like, I don't have anything other than

00:45:45.570 --> 00:45:48.699
what's in my van or on my back. Life is simple.

00:45:48.800 --> 00:45:50.679
I don't have to organize anything. I can stay

00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:54.460
focused. I think that's a it's an interesting

00:45:54.460 --> 00:45:56.219
thought exercise, especially when you're younger.

00:45:56.360 --> 00:45:58.920
Like, OK, cool. I can wrap my head around that.

00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:01.300
Yeah. And it's completely respectable. A lot

00:46:01.300 --> 00:46:03.699
of these hippies shouldn't say that in the context

00:46:03.699 --> 00:46:06.219
of like hippie dance around the flowers in my

00:46:06.219 --> 00:46:09.659
hair. A lot of these climber crunchy guys, they

00:46:09.659 --> 00:46:14.000
are hard committed, like bad mofos. Oh, yeah.

00:46:15.029 --> 00:46:17.150
When they're living on dog food, like there's

00:46:17.150 --> 00:46:19.409
this great story about the founder of Patagonia

00:46:19.409 --> 00:46:22.989
where he went to the store. He was climbing El

00:46:22.989 --> 00:46:25.889
Cap. And I'm trying to recall a story from Outside

00:46:25.889 --> 00:46:28.530
Magazine from, you know, 20 years ago. But in

00:46:28.530 --> 00:46:30.789
general circumstance, it's what it is. Where

00:46:30.789 --> 00:46:33.389
he went to the store. He's going to be climbing

00:46:33.389 --> 00:46:36.429
El Cap for months. And he's just working on a

00:46:36.429 --> 00:46:39.610
specific route. And he went to the store to buy

00:46:39.610 --> 00:46:41.989
food. He only had... 100 bucks or whatever it

00:46:41.989 --> 00:46:44.429
was. And dog food was less expensive. And he

00:46:44.429 --> 00:46:48.510
was like, meh, I can live on that. And he bought

00:46:48.510 --> 00:46:51.269
dog food and lived on dog food. And yeah, so

00:46:51.269 --> 00:46:54.489
he could climb and stay out there longer. I wonder

00:46:54.489 --> 00:46:57.219
what his farts were like. Bro, you wouldn't want

00:46:57.219 --> 00:46:59.340
to be behind that on this route, right? You would

00:46:59.340 --> 00:47:01.199
not want to be climbing behind that guy. I'll

00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:03.920
tell you that. Because I stopped giving my dog

00:47:03.920 --> 00:47:07.059
regular dog food a long time ago. But when he

00:47:07.059 --> 00:47:10.159
was younger, all my dogs, I would just buy the

00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:12.860
most expensive dry dog food. Oh, this stuff is

00:47:12.860 --> 00:47:15.780
good. And then somewhere along the line, it clicked.

00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:20.039
I was like, wait, how can it sit there? How can

00:47:20.039 --> 00:47:22.460
it just sit in that bag for a month? That's crazy.

00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:24.380
How can it sit on the shelf for years? That's

00:47:24.380 --> 00:47:26.559
nuts. That can't be good for you. And then I

00:47:26.559 --> 00:47:29.260
started feeding them frozen food. And then they

00:47:29.260 --> 00:47:31.780
like that. But then I switched to farmer's dog,

00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:35.179
which is human grade food, which is lightly cooked.

00:47:35.260 --> 00:47:37.480
They fucking love it. That stuff I would eat.

00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:40.239
Like you smell it. It smells like food. It doesn't

00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:44.000
smell disgusting. But regular dog food is fucking

00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:47.730
terrible for a dog. It's not good for them. So

00:47:47.730 --> 00:47:50.349
if you have to eat that stuff, that kibble stuff,

00:47:50.550 --> 00:47:53.630
and you're going to travel around, your gut must

00:47:53.630 --> 00:47:56.269
be going like, what are you doing? What kind

00:47:56.269 --> 00:47:59.130
of chemicals are in here? What kind of preservatives?

00:47:59.190 --> 00:48:02.230
They're just nuking your gut bio. The level,

00:48:02.429 --> 00:48:06.329
but I love the level of commitment. I love when

00:48:06.329 --> 00:48:11.190
people drift over into like crazy. To where their

00:48:11.190 --> 00:48:13.630
level of commitment and their passion translates

00:48:13.630 --> 00:48:16.329
directly into nothing else exists in their life.

00:48:16.409 --> 00:48:19.170
They're willing to live on dog food to do the

00:48:19.170 --> 00:48:22.510
thing that they love. Fun. That to me is like,

00:48:22.630 --> 00:48:26.730
you're an extremist and I respect it. You know

00:48:26.730 --> 00:48:29.429
what? No, I can respect that. Do you ever see

00:48:29.429 --> 00:48:32.829
the movie Dirtbag? No. Pull up that movie Dirtbag.

00:48:32.969 --> 00:48:35.530
It's a great movie. It's about a guy who essentially

00:48:35.530 --> 00:48:39.809
did that. until he was dead. This guy just camped

00:48:39.809 --> 00:48:42.150
out on the ground in front of his friends' houses,

00:48:42.250 --> 00:48:44.909
most of the time didn't have a car, just would

00:48:44.909 --> 00:48:47.510
just climb. That's all he did. He was always

00:48:47.510 --> 00:48:50.250
mooching off people. And he had very detailed...

00:48:50.250 --> 00:48:53.409
What was the dude's name? Fred Becky. Fred Becky.

00:48:53.409 --> 00:48:56.210
The dude's a legend. So he had been doing this

00:48:56.210 --> 00:49:00.670
from the 1950s. He was an old -ass man. Look

00:49:00.670 --> 00:49:03.510
at this guy. Look at the gnarled hands. Look

00:49:03.510 --> 00:49:06.820
at his fucking hands. From just climbing. Imagine

00:49:06.820 --> 00:49:08.880
if that guy got a hold of your dick. He'd just

00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:12.679
rip it right off. Do you know who Mark Twight

00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:17.360
is? No. Okay, so Mark Twight, he was one of the

00:49:17.360 --> 00:49:21.119
foremost names in alpineering. He's written several

00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:23.039
books on it. He wrote a book called Kiss or Kill,

00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:25.099
Confessions of a Serial Climber back in the day.

00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:30.119
Very, very similar in the context of, I would

00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:33.130
imagine, the psychological makeup. And he started

00:49:33.130 --> 00:49:36.210
a gym called Jim Jones back in the day. And like,

00:49:36.250 --> 00:49:40.349
it was where a bunch of people you had, it was

00:49:40.349 --> 00:49:44.210
invite only. So you could only get invited. And

00:49:44.210 --> 00:49:45.929
it was like a lot of special operations guys,

00:49:46.070 --> 00:49:50.110
CIA guys, and professional climbers. Like everybody

00:49:50.110 --> 00:49:52.250
that was trying to push the envelope physically

00:49:52.250 --> 00:49:57.170
would go out and train with Mark. And I've been

00:49:57.170 --> 00:49:59.489
friends with him for years, but anything Mark

00:49:59.489 --> 00:50:03.280
does, he moves from like, i'm gonna be the best

00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:07.280
climber like alpineering i'm gonna be the subject

00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:10.860
matter expert he was a professional uh he shot

00:50:10.860 --> 00:50:13.099
ipsych for a while so he's a professional you

00:50:13.099 --> 00:50:15.219
know pistol shooter for a while he's a professional

00:50:15.219 --> 00:50:18.440
climber and now he's a photographer writer but

00:50:18.440 --> 00:50:21.420
everything he does he does it to a level of perfection

00:50:21.420 --> 00:50:24.179
that it probably drives everybody else in his

00:50:24.179 --> 00:50:27.440
life bananas like he's fascinating he's a fascinating

00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:30.820
human those people that go really to the outer

00:50:30.820 --> 00:50:33.760
level of whatever's possible with whatever the

00:50:33.760 --> 00:50:35.539
fuck they're doing are always fascinating. Yeah.

00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:39.300
Because it makes you go, I don't know. Like,

00:50:39.340 --> 00:50:41.400
what is the sacrifice to get really good at rock

00:50:41.400 --> 00:50:43.639
climbing? You never have kids. You never have

00:50:43.639 --> 00:50:45.980
a life. You never have a job. Like, this dirtbag

00:50:45.980 --> 00:50:49.659
guy, like, everyone around him both admired him

00:50:49.659 --> 00:50:52.260
and felt sad for him. Right. Because, like, he

00:50:52.260 --> 00:50:56.400
died a dirtbag. He never had a family. And it's

00:50:56.400 --> 00:50:58.239
like all his ex -girlfriends talking about how

00:50:58.239 --> 00:51:00.360
an interesting guy he was. He was really fun.

00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:03.679
But eventually, he had to fucking move on. Like,

00:51:03.719 --> 00:51:05.760
this dude, all he wanted to do was, like, sleep

00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:07.679
on the ground and get up and start climbing rocks.

00:51:08.360 --> 00:51:11.739
His whole life. But there's, if you think about

00:51:11.739 --> 00:51:15.599
everybody around us in their profession or their

00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:20.500
thing, right? You're at the apex of your professional,

00:51:20.619 --> 00:51:23.920
your profession and your level of commitment.

00:51:24.039 --> 00:51:25.780
I'm not like boosting you up. I'm just saying

00:51:25.780 --> 00:51:27.380
like your level of commitment is unparalleled

00:51:27.380 --> 00:51:30.260
to a huge percentage of other people. So you

00:51:30.260 --> 00:51:34.260
have a portion of whatever that is. And there

00:51:34.260 --> 00:51:35.940
are all these other people that have that thing

00:51:35.940 --> 00:51:38.420
where their pursuit of passion around that specific

00:51:38.420 --> 00:51:40.639
profession or product, whatever it might be,

00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:44.559
they're so committed to it that it takes over.

00:51:44.619 --> 00:51:48.690
It's all consuming. I mean, I've seen it because

00:51:48.690 --> 00:51:51.570
when, even when you go play pool, I'm like, when

00:51:51.570 --> 00:51:53.710
we were in Vegas a couple of months ago, they're

00:51:53.710 --> 00:51:54.989
like, oh, we're going to play pool and Mike come

00:51:54.989 --> 00:51:56.610
out. He's going to be there until like six o

00:51:56.610 --> 00:51:58.210
'clock in the morning. I'm not going to do that.

00:51:58.289 --> 00:52:00.429
And Green Tree was like, he was, he was there

00:52:00.429 --> 00:52:02.050
until like six o 'clock in the morning. He played

00:52:02.050 --> 00:52:04.449
for eight hours straight. I was like, yeah, I

00:52:04.449 --> 00:52:06.630
could see the writing on the wall. I'm, I'm out

00:52:06.630 --> 00:52:09.050
of here. The pool is my number one problem. That's

00:52:09.050 --> 00:52:11.090
my biggest one. Really? Yeah. That's the one

00:52:11.090 --> 00:52:14.599
where if I. If I ever wanted to not do anything

00:52:14.599 --> 00:52:16.360
else, I would just become a professional pool

00:52:16.360 --> 00:52:19.280
player. If I just said, okay, I am done. I'm

00:52:19.280 --> 00:52:21.840
done podcasting. I'm done with the UFC. I'm done

00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:23.539
with everything. I'm just going to travel around

00:52:23.539 --> 00:52:27.440
and do tournaments. I could go crazy. I could

00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:31.519
go crazy and just do that 100%. Is it just the

00:52:31.519 --> 00:52:35.940
game fascinates you, the angles, the ability

00:52:35.940 --> 00:52:39.960
to just continue to evolve? within that all the

00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:42.340
time you can't ever be the best you definitely

00:52:42.340 --> 00:52:46.559
never achieve full perfection but to be really

00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:51.780
good requires this level of laser focus and concentration

00:52:51.780 --> 00:52:54.420
and an understanding of what's going on i mean

00:52:54.420 --> 00:52:56.780
you're taking a stick and you're hitting a ball

00:52:57.440 --> 00:53:01.420
into another ball with pinpoint accuracy into

00:53:01.420 --> 00:53:04.119
a pocket that is on my table it's four and a

00:53:04.119 --> 00:53:06.800
quarter inches so you've got the cube the ball

00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:08.400
the object ball which is about that big and then

00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:10.820
you got that much space on each side just a tiny

00:53:10.820 --> 00:53:12.719
little space on each side you got to slip it

00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:15.380
through there oftentimes like eight feet away

00:53:15.380 --> 00:53:19.260
seven feet away six feet away with english so

00:53:19.260 --> 00:53:22.119
you're putting spin on the cue ball which imparts

00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:25.139
a throw on the object ball so if i put right

00:53:25.139 --> 00:53:27.239
hand spin on the cue ball and I hit the object

00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:30.039
ball, I have to calculate for the fact that it's

00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:32.139
going to throw the object ball slightly to the

00:53:32.139 --> 00:53:34.760
left because of the right -hand spin, because

00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:36.639
it clings to the ball a little bit and shoots.

00:53:36.760 --> 00:53:38.760
So all this is playing in my head. And then I

00:53:38.760 --> 00:53:41.139
have to have it at a speed where once the cue

00:53:41.139 --> 00:53:43.460
ball then collides with the object ball, pockets

00:53:43.460 --> 00:53:46.940
it, then it's got to go one, two, three rails

00:53:46.940 --> 00:53:49.139
for perfect position on the next ball. And I

00:53:49.139 --> 00:53:51.000
have to have an angle. I have to make sure that

00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:53.599
I have an angle for the following ball. And you

00:53:53.599 --> 00:53:55.599
don't want to be... Trapped on the rail, so you

00:53:55.599 --> 00:53:57.139
want to be off the rail. It's like all these

00:53:57.139 --> 00:53:58.599
different things. You can't think about anything

00:53:58.599 --> 00:54:02.800
else. Your mind has to be clean. It cleans your

00:54:02.800 --> 00:54:06.340
mind. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp.

00:54:06.440 --> 00:54:08.579
Look, there's a lot of pressure when it comes

00:54:08.579 --> 00:54:11.260
to dating, especially in February. But you're

00:54:11.260 --> 00:54:14.460
putting too much on yourself. end on your partner.

00:54:14.619 --> 00:54:16.559
There's no such thing as a perfect relationship,

00:54:16.739 --> 00:54:19.420
whether you're on a first date or have been together

00:54:19.420 --> 00:54:22.159
for years. It's completely normal to go through

00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:24.679
rough patches, and what matters is how you deal

00:54:24.679 --> 00:54:26.980
with them, and therapy can be a huge help during

00:54:26.980 --> 00:54:29.360
any stage of your dating life. You can figure

00:54:29.360 --> 00:54:32.300
out what you want in a partner or get perspective

00:54:32.300 --> 00:54:35.159
for a growing problem in your relationship. The

00:54:35.159 --> 00:54:37.460
point is, you don't have to come up with a solution

00:54:37.460 --> 00:54:40.000
by yourself. Now, finding the right therapist

00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:42.360
can be tricky, but that's where better help comes

00:54:42.360 --> 00:55:10.760
in. So if you've gotten, I'm sure you have, like

00:55:10.760 --> 00:55:13.989
professional. Coaching players. Yeah guys have

00:55:13.989 --> 00:55:15.690
come out like the best in the world have come

00:55:15.690 --> 00:55:17.329
out and played with you Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

00:55:17.329 --> 00:55:19.530
Yeah. How do you hold up? Like what's your I

00:55:19.530 --> 00:55:21.849
can never beat them, right? But I beat them some

00:55:21.849 --> 00:55:24.510
games I can break and run out so I break and

00:55:24.510 --> 00:55:26.610
run out one two games in a row sometimes and

00:55:26.610 --> 00:55:31.570
but they'll make so like if you have like a score

00:55:31.570 --> 00:55:36.230
of Accuracy, it's called like a Fargo rating.

00:55:36.309 --> 00:55:38.670
It's based on a thousand points as you never

00:55:38.670 --> 00:55:44.309
miss I am in like the 700, on a good day, 750

00:55:44.309 --> 00:55:48.750
range. But a real world class pro is in the 800

00:55:48.750 --> 00:55:52.590
plus range. Like Fedor Gors is probably like

00:55:52.590 --> 00:55:55.010
850. Joshua Filler is probably like a little

00:55:55.010 --> 00:55:57.050
higher than that. They get into this rate where

00:55:57.050 --> 00:56:00.170
they so rarely miss. And again, they're playing

00:56:00.170 --> 00:56:02.050
on four inch pockets, which is like a quarter

00:56:02.050 --> 00:56:04.510
inch smaller than the pockets I'm playing on.

00:56:04.590 --> 00:56:07.050
Although they are playing on new cloth, which

00:56:07.050 --> 00:56:09.739
helps a lot. Makes things more slippery. They

00:56:09.739 --> 00:56:12.920
fall in more, more worn out cloth. Like when

00:56:12.920 --> 00:56:14.800
it's broken in for a couple of weeks, it gets

00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:17.780
tougher. Really? Yeah. Yeah. The cloth gets a

00:56:17.780 --> 00:56:20.239
little less slick and you got to hit a ball a

00:56:20.239 --> 00:56:23.219
little bit more pure, but on the plus side, English

00:56:23.219 --> 00:56:25.860
takes better. So when you play with these guys,

00:56:25.940 --> 00:56:28.960
is it one of those things where they like instantly

00:56:28.960 --> 00:56:31.639
humble you in the context of you start feeling,

00:56:31.679 --> 00:56:34.000
I'm really confident in my game. And then you.

00:56:35.059 --> 00:56:38.019
Step in. No, not really. No, there's not that

00:56:38.019 --> 00:56:40.800
big of a delta between there's a gap There's

00:56:40.800 --> 00:56:43.239
definitely a gap. I mean, they're just way better

00:56:43.239 --> 00:56:45.539
than me, but it's a lot of it It's just time

00:56:45.539 --> 00:56:48.280
they spend eight hours a day playing every day

00:56:48.280 --> 00:56:50.340
if I spent eight hours a day playing every day

00:56:50.340 --> 00:56:52.360
I think I could play at a professional level

00:56:53.449 --> 00:56:56.110
I wouldn't be able to beat the best guys. I would

00:56:56.110 --> 00:56:59.190
never be able to beat the coping chungs and the

00:56:59.190 --> 00:57:02.090
guys that are at the very top top because those

00:57:02.090 --> 00:57:03.789
guys have been playing eight hours a day for

00:57:03.789 --> 00:57:07.889
decades. They never stop. What's a guy like that

00:57:07.889 --> 00:57:11.920
make? Now more than ever. Really? Yeah, because

00:57:11.920 --> 00:57:15.159
of Matchroom Pool. So Matchroom, the same company

00:57:15.159 --> 00:57:17.400
that Eddie Hearn owns that does a lot of boxing

00:57:17.400 --> 00:57:19.380
promotions, they're involved in a lot of sports.

00:57:19.619 --> 00:57:22.860
They've done an amazing job with pool, specifically

00:57:22.860 --> 00:57:26.260
with nine ball. And they put on these huge tournaments.

00:57:26.400 --> 00:57:28.940
Saudi Arabia has a big one every year. They have

00:57:28.940 --> 00:57:30.940
this big world championship where they pay a

00:57:30.940 --> 00:57:34.699
ton of money. And so... You know, a good player,

00:57:34.820 --> 00:57:36.619
like a top -of -the -heat player, is making half

00:57:36.619 --> 00:57:38.659
a million dollars plus a year. Okay. And then

00:57:38.659 --> 00:57:41.079
also endorsements. So they have endorsements.

00:57:41.079 --> 00:57:44.860
Companies like Predator Q's pay them. Q -Tech

00:57:44.860 --> 00:57:46.800
and all these different companies pay them X

00:57:46.800 --> 00:57:48.920
amount of dollars per year. They have a sponsor

00:57:48.920 --> 00:57:51.860
for the chalk they use. They have a sponsor for

00:57:51.860 --> 00:57:54.800
the tips they play with. All these different

00:57:54.800 --> 00:57:56.539
things. All that adds up. So what's the difference

00:57:56.539 --> 00:57:58.719
then between, what is it, Snooker? Is that the

00:57:58.719 --> 00:58:00.639
English? That's a totally different game. It's

00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:03.360
totally different. It's a big table. It's a 12

00:58:03.360 --> 00:58:06.940
by 6 as opposed to a 4 .5 by 9. So it's a much

00:58:06.940 --> 00:58:09.659
bigger table. But the balls are smaller as well.

00:58:09.860 --> 00:58:12.800
And then their cues have these tiny little tips

00:58:12.800 --> 00:58:15.719
on them. They all play with ash cues, which is

00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:19.340
like a very stiff wood. And they play with like

00:58:19.340 --> 00:58:22.079
a solid wood cue. Whereas a lot of like pro pool

00:58:22.079 --> 00:58:24.659
players have switched to carbon fiber now. They

00:58:24.659 --> 00:58:28.079
play with carbon fiber cues because it's a little

00:58:28.079 --> 00:58:30.210
bit more dense, so it moves the ball. differently.

00:58:30.309 --> 00:58:32.630
Is it fun? Have you played it? Snooker? Yeah,

00:58:32.730 --> 00:58:34.630
I played it when I was in Scotland a little bit,

00:58:34.730 --> 00:58:36.969
but I only played by myself. There was just a

00:58:36.969 --> 00:58:39.070
table and I was just whacking balls around. It's

00:58:39.070 --> 00:58:41.170
very difficult to pocket balls, but I don't even

00:58:41.170 --> 00:58:43.570
really understand the rules. I would have to

00:58:43.570 --> 00:58:45.849
really pay attention. I watch it a little bit

00:58:45.849 --> 00:58:48.650
sometimes because I know how hard it is to do

00:58:48.650 --> 00:58:50.690
what they're doing because you do have this enormous

00:58:50.690 --> 00:58:53.409
table. Their cloth is a lot slower too. It's

00:58:53.409 --> 00:58:56.969
not as slick of a cloth. So it's got to be older

00:58:56.969 --> 00:59:01.619
then. Oh, it's old. Snooker's old. So the original

00:59:01.619 --> 00:59:04.860
billiards game had no pockets. The original billiards

00:59:04.860 --> 00:59:07.460
game was three cushion billiards or bulk line.

00:59:07.619 --> 00:59:10.039
There's a bunch of different billiards games

00:59:10.039 --> 00:59:12.699
where you play on a table. Say it was like this

00:59:12.699 --> 00:59:14.320
table. There's no pockets in it, and there's

00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:16.639
just rubber rails all around it. And it's all

00:59:16.639 --> 00:59:19.699
about knocking one ball into the other ball,

00:59:19.820 --> 00:59:22.760
going three rails, and then colliding with the

00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:26.230
third ball. Huh. Yeah, it's just about scoring

00:59:26.230 --> 00:59:29.090
points. I've watched a bunch of that online too

00:59:29.090 --> 00:59:32.170
because it helps you understand angles as you

00:59:32.170 --> 00:59:35.090
go into a rail because the angles change depending

00:59:35.090 --> 00:59:37.329
upon how much English you put on it, how hard

00:59:37.329 --> 00:59:39.110
you hit it, whether you hit it with follow or

00:59:39.110 --> 00:59:42.210
draw. There's a bunch of different parts of the

00:59:42.210 --> 00:59:44.769
cue ball that you can contact with that radically

00:59:44.769 --> 00:59:46.989
changes the way the ball moves around on the

00:59:46.989 --> 00:59:50.590
table. So it's like you're calculating so many

00:59:50.590 --> 00:59:52.650
different things. There's geometry involved.

00:59:52.769 --> 00:59:56.179
There's touch and feel. There's all these factors

00:59:56.179 --> 00:59:58.000
that come into play when you're playing really

00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:02.239
well. So that explains why archery is also somewhat

01:00:02.239 --> 01:00:05.679
of a fascination then because you have very similar

01:00:05.679 --> 01:00:09.000
aspects to archery and pool that directly translate.

01:00:09.539 --> 01:00:12.199
That's like why those things snap together real

01:00:12.199 --> 01:00:14.599
well for you. Oh, for me, they're hand in hand.

01:00:14.800 --> 01:00:17.579
They're basically the same thing. It's basically

01:00:17.579 --> 01:00:19.300
the same thing. You're just doing it in a different

01:00:19.300 --> 01:00:22.119
way. You know, you're, it's the same thing. It's

01:00:22.119 --> 01:00:26.780
like having everything just flowing together

01:00:26.780 --> 01:00:31.840
perfectly after like years and years and years

01:00:31.840 --> 01:00:33.960
of meticulous practice. And then it starts to

01:00:33.960 --> 01:00:40.349
come together. And then you pull that group out.

01:00:40.409 --> 01:00:42.929
It's nice and tight, like 65 yards. Like, yeah.

01:00:43.289 --> 01:00:46.110
You got it dialed in. It's that feeling. And

01:00:46.110 --> 01:00:48.429
it's the same thing. It's the world goes away.

01:00:48.750 --> 01:00:51.349
There is no room for anything when you're about

01:00:51.349 --> 01:00:53.489
to pull that trigger. Whether it's in pool when

01:00:53.489 --> 01:00:55.070
you're about to make the shot or whether it's

01:00:55.070 --> 01:00:57.670
an archery, there's no room for anything. That's

01:00:57.670 --> 01:00:59.789
what I like about it. I also like that there's

01:00:59.789 --> 01:01:02.320
no bullshit. There's no shenanigans. There's

01:01:02.320 --> 01:01:05.599
no personality. Nothing matters. Nothing matters.

01:01:05.679 --> 01:01:08.639
Did the ball go in the hole? If it didn't, you

01:01:08.639 --> 01:01:11.599
lose. If it did, you win. It's really clean.

01:01:11.880 --> 01:01:15.340
I like that. Yeah, that's the thing I love about

01:01:15.340 --> 01:01:19.519
shooting just in general. If I'm hitting a target,

01:01:19.639 --> 01:01:21.159
it doesn't matter. I took my kids to the arcade

01:01:21.159 --> 01:01:25.139
the other day in a ski ball. Oh, yeah. I can

01:01:25.139 --> 01:01:29.039
like spend an hour on that thing. Just like just

01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:33.599
trying to get the perfect lob in there. And it's

01:01:33.599 --> 01:01:35.400
it's like I used to tell people, I'm like, I'm

01:01:35.400 --> 01:01:39.280
just a projectile enthusiast where I love hitting

01:01:39.280 --> 01:01:42.480
center mass of whatever target. I'm still a six

01:01:42.480 --> 01:01:44.480
year old kid with my BB gun. It's like at the

01:01:44.480 --> 01:01:48.400
end of the day. Now my tools are. you know, much

01:01:48.400 --> 01:01:50.719
more advanced and I've got, you know, the millions

01:01:50.719 --> 01:01:52.659
of dollars of government funded training behind

01:01:52.659 --> 01:01:54.920
me. So I'm a little bit more effective at hitting

01:01:54.920 --> 01:01:57.000
what I want to shoot at, but it still has the

01:01:57.000 --> 01:02:00.519
same, the same exact feeling. Like if you're

01:02:00.519 --> 01:02:02.739
six years old, hitting a pop can with your BB

01:02:02.739 --> 01:02:06.000
gun or ringing a piece of steel at a mile with

01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:09.480
a rifle or hitting a, you know, the heart of

01:02:09.480 --> 01:02:12.099
a foam elk in your backyard, it's the same dude.

01:02:12.159 --> 01:02:15.119
It translates and it like pulls you into something

01:02:15.119 --> 01:02:17.889
that's like, Pure, I guess. It is pure. And it's

01:02:17.889 --> 01:02:20.929
also a really good mind exercise. Just like,

01:02:20.929 --> 01:02:24.329
you know, when you work out, you're cleaning

01:02:24.329 --> 01:02:27.630
your mind. There's a lot of what working out

01:02:27.630 --> 01:02:30.210
is. It's not just physical. It's mental clarity.

01:02:30.409 --> 01:02:34.449
You relax the mind. You calm the mind through

01:02:34.449 --> 01:02:38.070
hard exercise. And there's something where you're

01:02:38.070 --> 01:02:40.809
calming your mind through shooting because it

01:02:40.809 --> 01:02:42.929
requires so much of you. Everything else just

01:02:42.929 --> 01:02:45.989
gets get the fuck out of the way. Bills, this,

01:02:46.230 --> 01:02:48.349
that, you know, oh, I got to call that guy. I

01:02:48.349 --> 01:02:49.949
don't want to call him. Fuck, I got to deal with

01:02:49.949 --> 01:02:52.010
this thing. Oh, that's falling apart. This deal

01:02:52.010 --> 01:02:55.349
sucks. It all goes away. It has to go away. If

01:02:55.349 --> 01:02:57.150
it doesn't go away, you miss. And then you go,

01:02:57.210 --> 01:02:58.889
fuck, why did I miss? You miss because you're

01:02:58.889 --> 01:03:01.329
distracted. Like, let's focus. Put the fucking

01:03:01.329 --> 01:03:03.750
arrow on the knock. You know, put it in there.

01:03:03.849 --> 01:03:08.329
Draw it back. Center it. Calm. Relax. At that

01:03:08.329 --> 01:03:10.909
moment. Like, at that moment, there is nothing

01:03:10.909 --> 01:03:13.849
else in your fucking head. There's nothing. And

01:03:13.849 --> 01:03:17.110
then, thwack. And it goes in there. You get this

01:03:17.110 --> 01:03:20.989
nice burst of happiness when you watch that fucking

01:03:20.989 --> 01:03:24.369
arrow just drop right in exactly where you want

01:03:24.369 --> 01:03:27.630
it to. And then you go and pull the arrows and

01:03:27.630 --> 01:03:29.250
you go right back and start it again. And at

01:03:29.250 --> 01:03:32.110
the end of that practice, I feel way better.

01:03:32.269 --> 01:03:34.809
I just always feel better. I always feel clearer.

01:03:35.230 --> 01:03:39.730
My head works better. It's a focused exercise

01:03:39.730 --> 01:03:43.889
which excites all your synapses. And then on

01:03:43.889 --> 01:03:45.710
top of that, it's a mental clearing thing. Like

01:03:45.710 --> 01:03:48.210
Fred Berry should talk about that. Like something

01:03:48.210 --> 01:03:49.969
about, I forget the quote, but it's something

01:03:49.969 --> 01:03:51.510
about there's nothing like shooting a bow that

01:03:51.510 --> 01:03:54.429
clears a man's mind. It's totally true. There's

01:03:54.429 --> 01:03:56.489
something about archery in particular that just

01:03:56.489 --> 01:04:01.030
cleans your mind. Yeah, I 100 % agree. I used

01:04:01.030 --> 01:04:04.210
to have this trad bow. That's how I started.

01:04:04.469 --> 01:04:07.150
Have I told you this story? Like, so I'd stuff.

01:04:07.710 --> 01:04:10.070
The old coffee bags, the burlap coffee bags,

01:04:10.150 --> 01:04:11.849
I'd stuff them up and fill them up. And then

01:04:11.849 --> 01:04:14.730
I started shooting a trad bow originally. Well,

01:04:14.869 --> 01:04:17.110
the roasting cycle takes about eight and a half

01:04:17.110 --> 01:04:19.510
minutes. So I couldn't really do anything. I'm

01:04:19.510 --> 01:04:22.030
like watching the, you know, coffee roast, which

01:04:22.030 --> 01:04:24.510
is just tumbling in a big dryer. And so I'd just

01:04:24.510 --> 01:04:28.369
shoot a trad bow in the back to just focus something

01:04:28.369 --> 01:04:32.329
other than the business, you know, family, whatever

01:04:32.329 --> 01:04:34.989
it is. I could just shoot my trad bow. And then

01:04:34.989 --> 01:04:38.289
Dudley was like. Why do you shoot that thing?

01:04:38.409 --> 01:04:40.809
It's so stupid. Don't you like to hit what you

01:04:40.809 --> 01:04:42.449
shoot at? I'm like, I'm just doing it for fun,

01:04:42.530 --> 01:04:45.090
man. Like, you know, I'm a happy -go -lucky guy.

01:04:45.170 --> 01:04:46.789
I just want to like active form of meditation.

01:04:47.110 --> 01:04:52.829
But what I did realize was it was such a pure,

01:04:52.869 --> 01:04:56.869
to your point, it would flush out all this negative

01:04:56.869 --> 01:04:59.829
shit that I was like either working through or

01:04:59.829 --> 01:05:03.989
dealing with. That's like, so being able to translate

01:05:03.989 --> 01:05:06.429
that to other people, especially veterans, huge.

01:05:07.220 --> 01:05:09.820
Huge transformation for guys because they can

01:05:09.820 --> 01:05:13.119
go out. It's quiet It's a subculture. They can

01:05:13.119 --> 01:05:16.639
be part of they can geek out on all the new gear

01:05:16.639 --> 01:05:20.239
and arrowheads you wade into the infinite never

01:05:20.239 --> 01:05:22.639
-ending debate around bullshit around cutting

01:05:22.639 --> 01:05:25.880
surface area fucking you know mass and velocity

01:05:25.880 --> 01:05:28.360
and like You'll never get tired because it's

01:05:28.360 --> 01:05:30.159
like full of its own little drama and it's like

01:05:30.159 --> 01:05:32.280
a bunch of nerd shit that you can actually have

01:05:32.280 --> 01:05:34.440
a lot of fun with. So much nerd shit. That's

01:05:34.440 --> 01:05:36.199
what people don't understand. You know, and they

01:05:36.199 --> 01:05:39.519
don't expect nerd shit, like real complicated

01:05:39.519 --> 01:05:42.460
technical nerd shit from archery. You don't think

01:05:42.460 --> 01:05:44.940
of it that way. But it's like many things. Like

01:05:44.940 --> 01:05:47.079
once you get into it, you realize like, oh, this

01:05:47.079 --> 01:05:49.559
is a learning curve to this motherfucker. There's

01:05:49.559 --> 01:05:51.940
a lot involved. Like whenever one of my friends

01:05:51.940 --> 01:05:53.739
is like, I want to go bow hunting. I'm like.

01:05:55.940 --> 01:05:59.559
Do you really? Are you sure? Like, don't tell

01:05:59.559 --> 01:06:03.579
me you do. Like, it's not that you got to dive

01:06:03.579 --> 01:06:06.840
in off of a cliff. This is not like I'm going

01:06:06.840 --> 01:06:08.840
to go dip my waters into bow hunting. I want

01:06:08.840 --> 01:06:11.239
to go shoot an elk. Like, Jesus Christ, do you

01:06:11.239 --> 01:06:13.420
know how hard that is to do? You got fucking,

01:06:13.559 --> 01:06:16.300
there's so many moving parts. There's so many

01:06:16.300 --> 01:06:18.980
things. You have to be proficient under extreme

01:06:18.980 --> 01:06:21.179
stress. There's so much going on there, man.

01:06:21.239 --> 01:06:22.820
Don't tell me you want to do that unless you,

01:06:22.860 --> 01:06:26.659
you got to show me. Before I get involved. Take

01:06:26.659 --> 01:06:30.219
me bow hunting. That's not happening. You are

01:06:30.219 --> 01:06:33.119
not going to be stomping on twigs near me and

01:06:33.119 --> 01:06:34.619
you're not going to be going, you're not going

01:06:34.619 --> 01:06:36.760
to be not checking the wind. All these things

01:06:36.760 --> 01:06:38.840
are not going to happen. Well, they, they like

01:06:38.840 --> 01:06:41.019
the idea, right? Like they like, and there's

01:06:41.019 --> 01:06:43.780
plenty of people. They're like, they're, they're,

01:06:43.780 --> 01:06:46.119
they're window shoppers in this activity, right?

01:06:46.199 --> 01:06:47.809
They're like. they're walking by and they're

01:06:47.809 --> 01:06:49.909
like that looks cool right but they don't like

01:06:49.909 --> 01:06:52.630
the realities of what it actually takes because

01:06:52.630 --> 01:06:56.389
it's so fucking hard and it like ruins you a

01:06:56.389 --> 01:06:59.010
lot of times like i mean in the last few years

01:06:59.010 --> 01:07:01.949
we've done enough together like dude i've been

01:07:01.949 --> 01:07:05.590
psychologically ruined by like shooting something

01:07:05.590 --> 01:07:09.070
or making a bad shot or like just devastating

01:07:09.070 --> 01:07:11.289
missing like yeah it's like you can't figure

01:07:11.289 --> 01:07:13.550
out why you missed No, and then you're running

01:07:13.550 --> 01:07:16.130
through it a thousand times, like, what did I

01:07:16.130 --> 01:07:18.449
do? Okay, how do I do better? And then you're

01:07:18.449 --> 01:07:21.530
like, okay. But you're the kind of guy that does

01:07:21.530 --> 01:07:23.969
that, that does the process in your head and

01:07:23.969 --> 01:07:26.469
then improves and keeps getting better. For some

01:07:26.469 --> 01:07:29.269
people, that will ruin their life. Like, the

01:07:29.269 --> 01:07:32.170
one bad thing that happens will ruin their fucking

01:07:32.170 --> 01:07:35.010
life. Because they spent all these months preparing.

01:07:35.389 --> 01:07:38.489
They paid for a tag. They hired an outfitter.

01:07:38.630 --> 01:07:42.289
And then, foink, dunk the shot. Fucking ruined

01:07:42.289 --> 01:07:44.070
their whole week. And then they go back home.

01:07:44.210 --> 01:07:47.090
How'd your hunt go? Oh, I missed. You know, like.

01:07:47.400 --> 01:07:52.000
Or I wounded it. And it's a lesson in life. You

01:07:52.000 --> 01:07:55.679
can work harder than you've ever worked. And

01:07:55.679 --> 01:07:57.780
still fail. And still fail. Yeah. You can work

01:07:57.780 --> 01:08:00.000
for a decade of your life. You can shoot and

01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:03.039
shoot and train and train. And you can put in

01:08:03.039 --> 01:08:06.219
all the work and still fuck it up. And there's

01:08:06.219 --> 01:08:09.639
guys who, in the same situation as you, would

01:08:09.639 --> 01:08:11.980
succeed. Yeah. So you've got to figure out what

01:08:11.980 --> 01:08:14.420
are they doing different, why are they better.

01:08:15.039 --> 01:08:18.079
Keep in and keep getting better. Like there's

01:08:18.079 --> 01:08:20.520
hunts that I've been successful on recently,

01:08:20.600 --> 01:08:22.840
you know, within the last few years that I know

01:08:22.840 --> 01:08:25.420
that if I had that same hunt eight, nine years

01:08:25.420 --> 01:08:27.680
ago, I probably would have not been able to make

01:08:27.680 --> 01:08:30.140
that shot. Right. I'm not, I wasn't as good then.

01:08:30.220 --> 01:08:33.239
So I've gotten better. It's like, I think everybody

01:08:33.239 --> 01:08:36.699
needs something that you can't master, that is

01:08:36.699 --> 01:08:40.510
hard to do, that, that cleans your mind. I think

01:08:40.510 --> 01:08:43.189
people need stuff to clean their mind. And I

01:08:43.189 --> 01:08:45.550
think that's why so many people are running around

01:08:45.550 --> 01:08:49.189
all fucked up. Because you're looking at social

01:08:49.189 --> 01:08:51.729
media all day. So that gives you anxiety. Your

01:08:51.729 --> 01:08:54.470
life is not satisfying. So that gives you anxiety.

01:08:54.829 --> 01:08:57.529
You don't take care of your body. So that gives

01:08:57.529 --> 01:09:00.270
you anxiety. You have all these things. And you're

01:09:00.270 --> 01:09:02.489
stuck in traffic. That gives you anxiety. Everybody's

01:09:02.489 --> 01:09:05.069
just. They're mentally all fucked up. And so

01:09:05.069 --> 01:09:06.689
you go to a doctor and the doctor says, well,

01:09:06.909 --> 01:09:09.130
you know, obviously you're dealing with depression

01:09:09.130 --> 01:09:12.029
and I can prescribe to you this or that. And

01:09:12.029 --> 01:09:13.930
then you're on Lexapro or whatever the fuck you're

01:09:13.930 --> 01:09:17.390
on. And that's the road they go down. And this

01:09:17.390 --> 01:09:20.850
is a bad road. It's not a road where you can

01:09:20.850 --> 01:09:23.250
improve your life. And there's other ways to

01:09:23.250 --> 01:09:25.729
do it. And I think there'd be a lot more happy

01:09:25.729 --> 01:09:28.770
people in this world if you found a thing. It

01:09:28.770 --> 01:09:30.250
doesn't have to be archery. It doesn't have to

01:09:30.250 --> 01:09:32.210
be pool. It doesn't have to be jujitsu. It doesn't

01:09:32.210 --> 01:09:34.810
have to be. Pistol shooting. It just has to be

01:09:34.810 --> 01:09:38.710
something that's hard to do that you are on this

01:09:38.710 --> 01:09:42.050
quest to make these incremental improvements.

01:09:42.250 --> 01:09:46.210
And through that focus of incremental improvements,

01:09:46.310 --> 01:09:49.329
you improve your human potential. You improve

01:09:49.329 --> 01:09:52.670
your ability as a person to do difficult and

01:09:52.670 --> 01:09:56.130
to handle situations. So I always tell people,

01:09:56.250 --> 01:09:59.050
if you do jujitsu, you'll be much happier because

01:09:59.050 --> 01:10:03.659
the stresses of life. are nothing compared to

01:10:03.659 --> 01:10:06.439
a dude who's trying to literally break your arm.

01:10:06.600 --> 01:10:09.840
He's on top of you, and you're defending, and

01:10:09.840 --> 01:10:11.920
then you get out of it, and then you get him,

01:10:11.920 --> 01:10:13.859
or he gets you, and then you have to tap, and

01:10:13.859 --> 01:10:16.359
you go over again. That is so hard to do that

01:10:16.359 --> 01:10:19.439
regular life becomes like a breeze. It becomes

01:10:19.439 --> 01:10:21.819
a breeze. It makes everything. Jiu -jitsu people

01:10:21.819 --> 01:10:24.020
are some of the most relaxed people I've ever

01:10:24.020 --> 01:10:26.220
been around in my life. They're all friendly

01:10:26.220 --> 01:10:28.739
to everybody. They're never talking shit or causing

01:10:28.739 --> 01:10:33.039
drama or problems. They get it all out. I think

01:10:33.039 --> 01:10:36.039
there's something about getting the shit kicked

01:10:36.039 --> 01:10:38.420
out of yourself too, right? Oh, yeah. There's

01:10:38.420 --> 01:10:41.539
something about facing someone, which I don't

01:10:41.539 --> 01:10:45.819
do jiu -jitsu just as a caveat to that, but being

01:10:45.819 --> 01:10:48.520
able to face another person in any scenario and

01:10:48.520 --> 01:10:51.699
then compete against them. Yeah. So where everything

01:10:51.699 --> 01:10:55.779
counts and then literally just getting the shit

01:10:55.779 --> 01:10:58.380
beat out of yourself and going, okay, well, I'm

01:10:58.380 --> 01:10:59.819
going to step back up. I'm going to do it again.

01:11:00.140 --> 01:11:04.539
Yeah, and get better. That level of teaching

01:11:04.539 --> 01:11:07.340
yourself mental endurance, that is the thing

01:11:07.340 --> 01:11:09.659
that I constantly think about my kids. I'm like,

01:11:09.760 --> 01:11:14.680
how do I be compassionate, caring, loving the

01:11:14.680 --> 01:11:16.600
dad that wants to give them everything? And then

01:11:16.600 --> 01:11:18.979
how do you translate that into also creating

01:11:18.979 --> 01:11:24.579
obstacles that will drive mental courage? I think

01:11:24.579 --> 01:11:27.039
you do it by example. I think that's the best

01:11:27.039 --> 01:11:32.100
way. My opinion is, like, if you look at Cam

01:11:32.100 --> 01:11:35.020
Haynes' sons, I mean, he was rough raising his

01:11:35.020 --> 01:11:37.640
kids. He talks about that. But those kids are

01:11:37.640 --> 01:11:40.199
exceptional. They're fucking exceptional. One

01:11:40.199 --> 01:11:43.180
son's a ranger. The other son broke the world

01:11:43.180 --> 01:11:47.180
chin -up record, and he runs marathons with jeans

01:11:47.180 --> 01:11:50.960
on. He's fucking got two savage kids. And why?

01:11:51.100 --> 01:11:53.680
Well, look at the environment they grew up in.

01:11:53.739 --> 01:11:56.899
They grew up with a dad who's supremely disciplined.

01:11:57.039 --> 01:12:00.779
And just by being in his presence, you realize,

01:12:00.840 --> 01:12:05.140
like, oh, I can achieve a lot more than other

01:12:05.140 --> 01:12:07.460
people can if I'm just willing to put in that

01:12:07.460 --> 01:12:11.470
work. and for a lot of people that's that feeling

01:12:12.199 --> 01:12:15.060
That feeling of like this, the anxiety of the

01:12:15.060 --> 01:12:17.680
struggle and of grinding it out and like that

01:12:17.680 --> 01:12:19.619
scares them and they don't want to do it. And

01:12:19.619 --> 01:12:22.579
so they come up and excuses or they retreat into

01:12:22.579 --> 01:12:25.699
other things and, you know, they distract themselves.

01:12:25.920 --> 01:12:29.420
And if you're a parent that does that, you create

01:12:29.420 --> 01:12:31.859
a weird environment for your child because your

01:12:31.859 --> 01:12:34.939
child is sort of imitating you as a leader. And

01:12:34.939 --> 01:12:37.279
you're a fuck up and you're always making excuses

01:12:37.279 --> 01:12:40.439
and you get fired a lot or you sleep in a lot

01:12:40.439 --> 01:12:43.489
or you do things. that like are not admirable

01:12:43.489 --> 01:12:47.069
and then that child you know Bob fuck life man

01:12:47.069 --> 01:12:50.689
you know where's You know, his kids are probably

01:12:50.689 --> 01:12:53.270
like, Jesus Christ, dad's a fucking animal. Like,

01:12:53.289 --> 01:12:55.250
I want to be an animal, too. And then you see

01:12:55.250 --> 01:12:57.949
how people respect his father. And they go, oh,

01:12:57.949 --> 01:13:00.090
okay, I want people to respect me like that,

01:13:00.170 --> 01:13:02.250
too. You know, you hear what people talk about

01:13:02.250 --> 01:13:03.869
him when he's not around. Like, well, I want

01:13:03.869 --> 01:13:06.409
people to respect me. Well, there's only one

01:13:06.409 --> 01:13:08.409
way to do that. You have to be worthy of respect.

01:13:08.710 --> 01:13:11.090
There's only one way to get there. It's a fucking

01:13:11.090 --> 01:13:14.850
long road. Good luck. Start going. And you're

01:13:14.850 --> 01:13:16.630
not going to get any satisfaction for a long

01:13:16.630 --> 01:13:18.579
-ass fucking time other than the fact. that you're

01:13:18.579 --> 01:13:21.420
on the path that you're on you're involved in

01:13:21.420 --> 01:13:24.560
the process and you're on the journey yeah the

01:13:24.560 --> 01:13:28.880
grind right and it's like it's overused but the

01:13:28.880 --> 01:13:33.760
level of endurance like in courage when it's

01:13:33.760 --> 01:13:36.380
like that trade alone just trying to understand

01:13:36.380 --> 01:13:40.840
courage like who has it who doesn't have it and

01:13:40.840 --> 01:13:44.680
then the level of commitment to a mission or

01:13:44.680 --> 01:13:48.710
something bigger than yourself it's it's, it's

01:13:48.710 --> 01:13:51.529
the thing that I think about, uh, I'd say a huge

01:13:51.529 --> 01:13:54.869
percentage of, of the last several years, especially,

01:13:54.949 --> 01:13:57.210
you know, as I get a little bit older, right,

01:13:57.270 --> 01:13:59.989
a little bit further away from the GWAT. And

01:13:59.989 --> 01:14:04.310
I was with, um, uh, I'm doing a documentary on,

01:14:04.409 --> 01:14:07.729
um, Earl Plumlee, you know, that is, um, so he's

01:14:07.729 --> 01:14:09.510
a Medal of Honor recipient, former Green Beret.

01:14:09.770 --> 01:14:13.430
We are at the UFC fight with, um, Elliot Miller

01:14:13.430 --> 01:14:19.529
and Earl Plumlee early. Earl Plumlee is a, Incredibly

01:14:19.529 --> 01:14:25.250
humble guy. Just an amazing human. You can sit

01:14:25.250 --> 01:14:27.890
here and talk to him. You'd never in a million

01:14:27.890 --> 01:14:30.609
years know that this guy had earned the Medal

01:14:30.609 --> 01:14:34.449
of Honor. Never. Because one, he's never going

01:14:34.449 --> 01:14:37.310
to tell you. Two, he's going to ask you a hundred

01:14:37.310 --> 01:14:39.850
questions about you and be way more fascinated

01:14:39.850 --> 01:14:43.289
with that. And three, we were having this conversation.

01:14:43.310 --> 01:14:46.369
He's like, man, it belongs to the guys. I didn't

01:14:46.369 --> 01:14:48.449
do anything. Like it belongs to the guys. Like

01:14:48.449 --> 01:14:50.289
the guys, any of the guys, if they wouldn't have

01:14:50.289 --> 01:14:52.130
been shot, would have done the same exact thing

01:14:52.130 --> 01:14:55.810
that I did. And I was like, man, that is an incredible

01:14:55.810 --> 01:14:58.590
statement from, you know, a guy that's sitting

01:14:58.590 --> 01:15:01.770
here. And so this documentary follows his path

01:15:01.770 --> 01:15:04.210
from joining the Marine Corps, which was literally

01:15:04.210 --> 01:15:07.750
where the judge, you know, those old stories

01:15:07.750 --> 01:15:09.550
of the guy that was like forced by the judge

01:15:09.550 --> 01:15:13.069
to join the military or jail. He literally has

01:15:13.069 --> 01:15:16.829
that. And it starts, he goes into, You know,

01:15:16.829 --> 01:15:19.310
the Marines, and then he's a force recon Marine,

01:15:19.369 --> 01:15:22.250
and he had gone through all the selections, and

01:15:22.250 --> 01:15:23.930
then he got out of the Marine Corps, joined the

01:15:23.930 --> 01:15:27.170
Army, and we follow his story through the eyes

01:15:27.170 --> 01:15:31.329
of his peers and his leaders. Because we wanted

01:15:31.329 --> 01:15:35.069
to see from his perspective, what do other people

01:15:35.069 --> 01:15:38.210
say about him through his entire journey? Not

01:15:38.210 --> 01:15:40.310
the story from his perspective. One, he'll never

01:15:40.310 --> 01:15:42.029
tell it the way that it probably needs to be

01:15:42.029 --> 01:15:47.319
told. What were the choices that he made throughout

01:15:47.319 --> 01:15:50.800
his professional life that made the man that

01:15:50.800 --> 01:15:54.399
was capable of such an incredible act of courage

01:15:54.399 --> 01:15:57.960
that it warranted the highest medal literally

01:15:57.960 --> 01:16:01.279
earned in the United States military? And that

01:16:01.279 --> 01:16:05.899
single word, courage, how do you build courageous

01:16:05.899 --> 01:16:10.920
people, is a fascinating, it's quite literally

01:16:10.920 --> 01:16:15.350
such a fascinating subject. And most of it is,

01:16:15.529 --> 01:16:19.829
it's the man in the arena, right? It's a poem

01:16:19.829 --> 01:16:23.529
from Teddy Roosevelt. It's like, it's not the

01:16:23.529 --> 01:16:26.350
critic who counts. It's like keeping up, stepping

01:16:26.350 --> 01:16:29.090
back in, this commitment to something greater

01:16:29.090 --> 01:16:32.270
than yourself, and then making these thousands

01:16:32.270 --> 01:16:34.689
of choices in your life every day as you wake

01:16:34.689 --> 01:16:37.930
up, step forward, step back into the fray, and

01:16:37.930 --> 01:16:40.510
make the active decision to be better. And it's

01:16:40.510 --> 01:16:44.640
like... It's it's such a fucking fundamental

01:16:44.640 --> 01:16:47.060
thing of being able to any any part of your life

01:16:47.060 --> 01:16:50.560
If you don't get up in the morning and like commit

01:16:50.560 --> 01:16:52.859
yourself to something. I'm not motivational speaker,

01:16:53.119 --> 01:16:57.979
but it's How are you ever gonna get better if

01:16:57.979 --> 01:17:00.239
you're not committing to something like being

01:17:00.239 --> 01:17:02.359
a better dad or better husband or better? you

01:17:02.359 --> 01:17:05.199
know better at your profession and then committing

01:17:05.199 --> 01:17:08.880
to this evolutionary process takes a not only

01:17:08.880 --> 01:17:11.100
a huge amount of commitment, but mental and physical

01:17:11.100 --> 01:17:15.439
endurance. It does. And I'm, I'm never going

01:17:15.439 --> 01:17:17.359
to get tired of trying to figure this out because

01:17:17.359 --> 01:17:22.819
obviously it's, it's like my peer set. I was

01:17:22.819 --> 01:17:25.819
having this conversation with, um, Jack Carr

01:17:25.819 --> 01:17:28.800
and I ran into the airport. Uh, we ran into each

01:17:28.800 --> 01:17:30.500
other at the airport and the way down here and

01:17:30.500 --> 01:17:32.640
we were talking about fucking love that guy.

01:17:32.720 --> 01:17:37.119
Fucking such a good dude. And And it's not just

01:17:37.119 --> 01:17:39.920
in the military, right? It's not. It's just...

01:17:39.920 --> 01:17:42.600
Yeah, in all of life. All of life. Yeah, you

01:17:42.600 --> 01:17:45.079
find exceptional people in all of life and you

01:17:45.079 --> 01:17:48.489
can... They're fuel. Those people are fuel. And

01:17:48.489 --> 01:17:52.010
they enhance the lives of the people around them.

01:17:52.250 --> 01:17:54.529
And then if you become one of those guys, you

01:17:54.529 --> 01:17:57.010
enhance the lives of the people around you. And

01:17:57.010 --> 01:17:58.989
then you feed off of them and they feed off of

01:17:58.989 --> 01:18:01.310
you. And everybody feeds off of each other. And

01:18:01.310 --> 01:18:04.649
it's so good for you to know that people like

01:18:04.649 --> 01:18:06.989
that are out there. That there's a guy like that

01:18:06.989 --> 01:18:09.770
capable of incredible courage. And that how did

01:18:09.770 --> 01:18:12.529
he get there? What did he do? How did he become

01:18:12.529 --> 01:18:15.520
the man he is right now? God damn, that's an

01:18:15.520 --> 01:18:17.840
admirable man. So how do you, how do I get there?

01:18:17.859 --> 01:18:22.199
Yeah. It's in, there's all these stories. I like

01:18:22.199 --> 01:18:25.659
Jack and I were talking about, um, cause you

01:18:25.659 --> 01:18:27.399
know, the Navy SEALs, obviously they've got a

01:18:27.399 --> 01:18:30.659
lot of positive PR over the last several years,

01:18:30.779 --> 01:18:35.199
but this, this special operations community has

01:18:35.199 --> 01:18:39.569
got so much just. I don't know, airtime, right?

01:18:39.689 --> 01:18:42.069
But there are all these other people in the military

01:18:42.069 --> 01:18:44.649
throughout, you know, generations of warfighters

01:18:44.649 --> 01:18:46.529
that have gone out and done these incredibly

01:18:46.529 --> 01:18:50.250
hard jobs. And I found this story of the Parchee,

01:18:50.310 --> 01:18:53.109
which is the USS Parchee, which is the most decorated

01:18:53.109 --> 01:18:55.909
submarine and ship in Navy history. They have

01:18:55.909 --> 01:18:59.189
nine presidential citations. It's the most decorated

01:18:59.189 --> 01:19:03.369
group of men in the US Navy, like in modern history,

01:19:03.470 --> 01:19:05.729
and everything they've done is still classified.

01:19:06.250 --> 01:19:09.850
Whoa. It's a Cold War era nuclear submarine that

01:19:09.850 --> 01:19:12.510
was modified and ultimately tasked out by the

01:19:12.510 --> 01:19:15.409
CIA to go out and do collection. And they were

01:19:15.409 --> 01:19:19.090
the guys that hundreds of feet down, they would

01:19:19.090 --> 01:19:24.909
land on the bottom of the ocean. And the Soviets

01:19:24.909 --> 01:19:27.510
had these military communication lines that were

01:19:27.510 --> 01:19:29.890
basically hard lines that would go under a bay

01:19:29.890 --> 01:19:32.250
so they could communicate back and forth. And

01:19:32.250 --> 01:19:36.180
they felt like they were secure. One of their

01:19:36.180 --> 01:19:38.779
jobs, which is I've never been able to see anything,

01:19:38.880 --> 01:19:42.680
you know, declassified. But the stories that

01:19:42.680 --> 01:19:44.579
are out there, these guys would land on the bottom

01:19:44.579 --> 01:19:47.159
of the ocean, send out divers at hundreds of

01:19:47.159 --> 01:19:51.340
feet. And these guys would hook listening devices

01:19:51.340 --> 01:19:56.060
on those lines hundreds of feet down, like in

01:19:56.060 --> 01:19:59.539
cold, dark water. Can you imagine, dude? Like

01:19:59.539 --> 01:20:03.840
you're out. In 400 feet or 300 feet of water,

01:20:03.960 --> 01:20:06.060
pitch black, you can't see anything. And your

01:20:06.060 --> 01:20:08.880
job is to go and put a listening device on a

01:20:08.880 --> 01:20:11.619
Soviet communication line in 1986 or whatever

01:20:11.619 --> 01:20:16.659
it was. And you're in enemy territory. So if

01:20:16.659 --> 01:20:21.300
you get discovered, you're dead. And none of

01:20:21.300 --> 01:20:23.479
these guys, that's the incredible thing, none

01:20:23.479 --> 01:20:25.899
of these guys have ever said anything about it.

01:20:27.220 --> 01:20:31.149
Decades, and not only decades of missions. months

01:20:31.149 --> 01:20:33.569
away from home none of these guys have said a

01:20:33.569 --> 01:20:36.010
fucking thing they've not been on a podcast they've

01:20:36.010 --> 01:20:38.430
not written any books and the only thing they

01:20:38.430 --> 01:20:40.090
say is yeah we did a lot of incredible shit still

01:20:40.090 --> 01:20:47.770
can't talk about it unbelievable man yeah i've

01:20:47.770 --> 01:20:49.829
been able to see i can go out and do shit and

01:20:49.829 --> 01:20:52.029
like you still have the ability to see i can't

01:20:52.029 --> 01:20:55.649
imagine being in like 300 feet of water pitch

01:20:55.649 --> 01:20:58.989
black pitch black if you if you lose a glove

01:20:59.630 --> 01:21:02.909
Right. Or something goes wrong. How are you going

01:21:02.909 --> 01:21:06.029
to get back to the boat? And you're going to

01:21:06.029 --> 01:21:07.949
have to get back to the boat and then get back

01:21:07.949 --> 01:21:10.649
into American territory without being discovered.

01:21:10.789 --> 01:21:12.770
And more importantly, you're going to do this

01:21:12.770 --> 01:21:15.189
how many times over the course of your career?

01:21:15.430 --> 01:21:19.010
And does the listening device require them to

01:21:19.010 --> 01:21:21.050
gather the information while they're at the bottom

01:21:21.050 --> 01:21:23.130
of the ocean or does it transmit? I think it

01:21:23.130 --> 01:21:26.029
transmits. Yeah. That's much more convenient.

01:21:26.369 --> 01:21:29.189
It's not, it's not been declassified. So who

01:21:29.189 --> 01:21:32.130
knows? And they don't talk about it. Wow. They

01:21:32.130 --> 01:21:34.829
don't talk about it. That's crazy. I was talking

01:21:34.829 --> 01:21:37.109
to, uh, Jack and I were talking about it and,

01:21:37.130 --> 01:21:38.609
um, I was like, have you ever heard about this?

01:21:38.649 --> 01:21:40.750
And you know, he's a retired Navy guy. He's like,

01:21:40.810 --> 01:21:42.130
no, I've never heard about it. I'm like, that's

01:21:42.130 --> 01:21:44.590
my point. It's an incredible story, man. Like

01:21:44.590 --> 01:21:48.189
these guys are still buttoned up, not saying

01:21:48.189 --> 01:21:51.880
a fucking word. They pick the right guys. They

01:21:51.880 --> 01:21:53.560
pick the right guys. Yeah, there's guys like

01:21:53.560 --> 01:21:55.520
that out there. Yeah. Yeah. And they don't have

01:21:55.520 --> 01:21:57.659
to be famous either. There's a lot of people

01:21:57.659 --> 01:22:01.840
out there. They just, they're, you know. They're

01:22:01.840 --> 01:22:04.220
just doing the mission. Yeah. They'd come home,

01:22:04.300 --> 01:22:06.699
not tell their families. Yeah. Their wives would

01:22:06.699 --> 01:22:09.600
be pissed off. What are you doing? Out on the

01:22:09.600 --> 01:22:11.720
boat with all your friends for months, just hanging

01:22:11.720 --> 01:22:15.180
out, hot racking, you know? Yeah. Like, I can't

01:22:15.180 --> 01:22:17.079
say anything. You have to have the right wife.

01:22:17.640 --> 01:22:20.289
Mm -hmm. If you don't have a woman that can understand

01:22:20.289 --> 01:22:23.649
that, that becomes a real problem. I'm sure a

01:22:23.649 --> 01:22:26.409
lot of them ended up in divorce. Oh, yeah. Well,

01:22:26.510 --> 01:22:27.970
you know, that was part of the Bob Lazar story.

01:22:28.949 --> 01:22:31.069
Bob Lazar was the guy that worked at Area 51.

01:22:31.329 --> 01:22:33.470
He couldn't tell his wife what he was doing.

01:22:33.750 --> 01:22:37.289
And they would call him at like 10 p .m. There's

01:22:37.289 --> 01:22:39.789
a flight for you that leaves at 1115. Be at the

01:22:39.789 --> 01:22:42.210
airport. And he had to leave. And he would tell

01:22:42.210 --> 01:22:43.750
his wife, I got to go to work. And she's like,

01:22:43.750 --> 01:22:46.439
it's 11 o 'clock at night. He's like. I have

01:22:46.439 --> 01:22:47.939
to go to work. What are you doing? He's like,

01:22:48.020 --> 01:22:49.680
I can't talk about it. Because all his phones

01:22:49.680 --> 01:22:52.180
were bugged. Everything was bugged. Right. So

01:22:52.180 --> 01:22:53.600
his wife is like, this motherfucker is cheating

01:22:53.600 --> 01:22:56.399
on me. She starts fucking her flight instructor.

01:22:56.779 --> 01:23:00.420
And that's one of the reasons why they removed

01:23:00.420 --> 01:23:02.960
him from his duties. Because they're like, this

01:23:02.960 --> 01:23:05.079
guy's going to be unstable. We have to see how

01:23:05.079 --> 01:23:07.279
he handles this. Because he's involved in this

01:23:07.279 --> 01:23:11.319
top secret back engineering of a flying saucer

01:23:11.319 --> 01:23:15.319
program, allegedly. And we have to, you know.

01:23:15.710 --> 01:23:18.310
Keep an eye on this motherfucker because he can't

01:23:18.310 --> 01:23:21.729
be mentally unstable and have this kind of responsibility.

01:23:22.250 --> 01:23:24.149
Because he couldn't tell her. Couldn't tell her

01:23:24.149 --> 01:23:27.449
anything. He can't tell anybody. Yeah. And then

01:23:27.449 --> 01:23:29.810
eventually he took her to the, the, the sites

01:23:29.810 --> 01:23:31.770
where he could, he explained to everybody when

01:23:31.770 --> 01:23:33.789
he thought that his life was in danger and then

01:23:33.789 --> 01:23:35.210
he was getting fired. When things started getting

01:23:35.210 --> 01:23:36.869
sideways, like people need to know about this.

01:23:36.909 --> 01:23:38.550
He took her out there and he showed her, but

01:23:38.550 --> 01:23:40.189
it was, he didn't know that she was fucking some

01:23:40.189 --> 01:23:42.750
other guy by the, by that time. That's so unfortunate.

01:23:43.829 --> 01:23:45.750
Unfortunate. Yeah. Look at, this is what I'm

01:23:45.750 --> 01:23:47.689
doing. I wonder if that actually, I wonder if

01:23:47.689 --> 01:23:49.590
she's like, fuck, I shouldn't have fucked that

01:23:49.590 --> 01:23:53.350
guy. Man, I feel bad now. I shouldn't have fucked

01:23:53.350 --> 01:23:56.569
that guy. I used to have to do that. Cause, For

01:23:56.569 --> 01:24:00.170
years, you know, years of my life, I didn't tell

01:24:00.170 --> 01:24:02.829
anybody, couldn't tell anybody who I worked for

01:24:02.829 --> 01:24:06.869
or what I did. And I didn't have a wife. So I

01:24:06.869 --> 01:24:09.329
didn't have a wife or kids. I just not really

01:24:09.329 --> 01:24:12.250
say anything. And I just dip out. I kind of dipped

01:24:12.250 --> 01:24:15.329
out from my family. My dad was like very concerned

01:24:15.329 --> 01:24:17.350
because he's like, I never hear from that kid.

01:24:17.449 --> 01:24:18.949
I don't know what he's doing. I'm like, I'm just

01:24:18.949 --> 01:24:22.630
working. Just busy, man. But it weighs on you

01:24:22.630 --> 01:24:24.739
after a while. You're like. This kind of sucks.

01:24:25.060 --> 01:24:27.479
Yeah, not being able to tell people about something

01:24:27.479 --> 01:24:30.739
you're doing. It's hard. Like, you can never

01:24:30.739 --> 01:24:33.779
show someone part of who you are. There's always

01:24:33.779 --> 01:24:36.199
going to be a door that's closed. It's kind of

01:24:36.199 --> 01:24:39.140
nuts. Yeah, it's difficult. It was like my wife,

01:24:39.239 --> 01:24:42.220
when we first got together, she's the first girl

01:24:42.220 --> 01:24:45.279
that, or first woman, I shouldn't say girl. She's

01:24:45.279 --> 01:24:47.359
the first woman I told. Because I was like, fuck

01:24:47.359 --> 01:24:50.739
this place. I'm out of it anyway. So if I get

01:24:50.739 --> 01:24:52.899
rolled up, I get rolled up. Who cares? I'm out

01:24:52.899 --> 01:24:56.430
anyway. Did she, was she initially like, whoa,

01:24:56.649 --> 01:24:59.590
like how did she handle it? Well, so we were,

01:24:59.630 --> 01:25:03.109
did you give her like details? No, no, no. I,

01:25:03.189 --> 01:25:06.470
cause she had met some of my friends. Right.

01:25:06.770 --> 01:25:09.270
And you know, the guys from the community are

01:25:09.270 --> 01:25:13.729
fairly obvious cause they look like you and the

01:25:13.729 --> 01:25:16.170
jacked tattooed, you know, a lot of them are,

01:25:16.229 --> 01:25:19.409
you know, big beards. It looks like, um, let's

01:25:19.409 --> 01:25:22.000
take the hell's angels. Right. So like I don't

01:25:22.000 --> 01:25:23.420
work for the State Department. That's fairly

01:25:23.420 --> 01:25:25.659
obvious. Like State Department, they're going

01:25:25.659 --> 01:25:28.380
to wear suits and, you know, they're come out

01:25:28.380 --> 01:25:30.180
of Harvard and they use really long words all

01:25:30.180 --> 01:25:33.340
the time. They're not like they don't look like

01:25:33.340 --> 01:25:35.399
they're getting ready to commit a felony. And

01:25:35.399 --> 01:25:39.060
and so she would be around, you know, at our

01:25:39.060 --> 01:25:41.420
kitchen table or whatever. And you'd have all

01:25:41.420 --> 01:25:44.340
these guys that look like. You know, they're

01:25:44.340 --> 01:25:47.760
NFL Hell's Angels. And I look like this, which,

01:25:47.819 --> 01:25:51.520
you know, is intimidating nonetheless. But I

01:25:51.520 --> 01:25:53.659
could get away with it. I could sell that. But

01:25:53.659 --> 01:25:56.500
they couldn't. She's like, well, so you work

01:25:56.500 --> 01:25:57.880
for the State Department. But what is it that

01:25:57.880 --> 01:26:00.180
you actually do? Right. I'm like, you're not

01:26:00.180 --> 01:26:02.439
a janitor, obviously. I'm like, you know, we

01:26:02.439 --> 01:26:05.579
we we train assistant advisor or something. And

01:26:05.579 --> 01:26:08.720
then after a while, you know, getting to know

01:26:08.720 --> 01:26:12.510
her. you know, six months or however long we'd

01:26:12.510 --> 01:26:14.210
known each other, we were driving down the road

01:26:14.210 --> 01:26:15.729
and I was like, I actually worked for the CIA.

01:26:15.909 --> 01:26:19.090
And she was like, I know. What are you, a fucking

01:26:19.090 --> 01:26:26.670
idiot? I'm like, yeah, that's fair. And it's

01:26:26.670 --> 01:26:28.930
funny because even now today, right, it's like

01:26:28.930 --> 01:26:30.729
a lot of my friends will come by that I haven't

01:26:30.729 --> 01:26:35.029
seen for years. And she always has the same kind

01:26:35.029 --> 01:26:36.850
of like eye roll. It's like, okay, you guys are

01:26:36.850 --> 01:26:38.130
going to be up until like two in the morning.

01:26:39.619 --> 01:26:42.279
drinking at the kitchen table talking shit about

01:26:42.279 --> 01:26:46.520
everybody that used to work that's right it's

01:26:46.520 --> 01:26:48.659
like and it's so dramatic right it's like it's

01:26:48.659 --> 01:26:51.420
such a sewing circle at times with people and

01:26:51.420 --> 01:26:55.460
it's all the same people are the same regardless

01:26:55.460 --> 01:26:58.729
of your profession it's like They're always talking

01:26:58.729 --> 01:27:01.270
shit, and that guy's a good dude, that guy's

01:27:01.270 --> 01:27:05.189
not. It's so fascinating to me, like, James O

01:27:05.189 --> 01:27:08.390
'Keefe stuff. Like, how much they bust people

01:27:08.390 --> 01:27:10.729
that talk about things they should never talk

01:27:10.729 --> 01:27:13.350
about with people that are just on a date with.

01:27:13.550 --> 01:27:17.090
Yeah. Like, not even, like, your wife of 10 years.

01:27:17.489 --> 01:27:21.149
No, no, no, no. No. Some lady or some guy. A

01:27:21.149 --> 01:27:23.810
lot of it is chatty gay guys. Yeah, yeah. A lot

01:27:23.810 --> 01:27:25.569
of it is gay guys. Like, I'll tell you how we

01:27:25.569 --> 01:27:28.399
do it. And they're on a date with some guy, and

01:27:28.399 --> 01:27:29.619
they're trying to impress him, and they start

01:27:29.619 --> 01:27:32.420
telling about what secret covert things they're

01:27:32.420 --> 01:27:34.939
doing that's totally illegal, and they do it

01:27:34.939 --> 01:27:38.819
all the time. It happens all the time in D .C.,

01:27:38.819 --> 01:27:43.680
and it doesn't really matter what party or wherever

01:27:43.680 --> 01:27:46.640
you go. You always have the guy, and it's so

01:27:46.640 --> 01:27:50.399
funny because I would go to whatever party acts,

01:27:50.539 --> 01:27:52.720
and depending on the venue, it might be like

01:27:52.720 --> 01:27:55.079
State Department, FBI, or whomever, and you can

01:27:55.079 --> 01:27:58.420
always tell. who works for whom and it's always

01:27:58.420 --> 01:28:01.479
like you're they're always trying to out jockey

01:28:01.479 --> 01:28:03.800
each other for who works for the better government

01:28:03.800 --> 01:28:06.039
service and i used to always tell people i was

01:28:06.039 --> 01:28:09.840
a janitor so they would leave me alone and uh

01:28:09.840 --> 01:28:12.220
i'm a janitor at northrop grumman like why are

01:28:12.220 --> 01:28:14.439
you here like kind of a thing my god that's what

01:28:14.439 --> 01:28:16.920
i do it's you know it's my passion i love them

01:28:16.920 --> 01:28:19.199
shit shit stripes and toilets man i gotta wipe

01:28:19.199 --> 01:28:23.020
them out and But then all the other guys were

01:28:23.020 --> 01:28:26.699
like jockeying for like FBI or State Department

01:28:26.699 --> 01:28:28.420
or wherever they're going. And then it's always

01:28:28.420 --> 01:28:30.500
the guys like, I can't tell you who I work for.

01:28:30.680 --> 01:28:32.979
And you're like, oh. Then you just sit back and

01:28:32.979 --> 01:28:35.159
listen. You're like, let me hear where this guy's

01:28:35.159 --> 01:28:38.079
going. This is going to be a fun one. Get a couple

01:28:38.079 --> 01:28:40.479
of drinks at him. Yeah, yeah. And it's just full

01:28:40.479 --> 01:28:43.279
of shit. So many people. So full of shit. Well,

01:28:43.300 --> 01:28:45.979
that's the thing about important people that

01:28:45.979 --> 01:28:47.760
have achieved a high level of success. Everybody

01:28:47.760 --> 01:28:50.260
wants to pretend they're that. Yeah. There's

01:28:50.260 --> 01:28:52.460
a lot of people that want to pretend they're

01:28:52.460 --> 01:28:55.960
that person because it's so hard to become that

01:28:55.960 --> 01:28:59.060
person. But you can convince a lot of people

01:28:59.060 --> 01:29:01.680
that don't know any better that you are. That

01:29:01.680 --> 01:29:04.460
was a big thing with martial arts, big thing

01:29:04.460 --> 01:29:08.020
with martial arts, especially in the 80s. So

01:29:08.020 --> 01:29:10.899
in the 80s when I first started, no one knew

01:29:10.899 --> 01:29:14.600
anything. It wasn't like today. Today, if you

01:29:14.600 --> 01:29:16.579
get in a street fight. If you're a high school

01:29:16.579 --> 01:29:17.960
kid and you get in a street fight with another

01:29:17.960 --> 01:29:20.739
high school kid, there's a high likelihood that

01:29:20.739 --> 01:29:23.079
that kid knows how to leg kick. He might know

01:29:23.079 --> 01:29:26.079
a blast double. He might know an arm triangle.

01:29:26.279 --> 01:29:28.340
You might get fucked up. Like they might know

01:29:28.340 --> 01:29:30.119
how to fight. Back then, no one knew how to fight.

01:29:30.300 --> 01:29:32.279
It was very rare. There was like one kid who

01:29:32.279 --> 01:29:33.659
knew how to box. It was always the wrestling

01:29:33.659 --> 01:29:35.920
team, which were the most dangerous people. Those

01:29:35.920 --> 01:29:37.979
guys were the worst. Those guys, they're the

01:29:37.979 --> 01:29:41.260
hardest motherfuckers in the school always. And

01:29:41.260 --> 01:29:43.420
I didn't even realize that until I started wrestling.

01:29:43.579 --> 01:29:45.470
I was like, I'm amongst these fuckers. fucking

01:29:45.470 --> 01:29:48.010
elite killers. And they're just walking around

01:29:48.010 --> 01:29:50.189
with everybody like they're normal. And you realize

01:29:50.189 --> 01:29:52.449
the level of commitment and dedication involved

01:29:52.449 --> 01:29:55.390
in being an elite high school wrestler, just

01:29:55.390 --> 01:29:57.689
a high school wrestler. It's fucking off the

01:29:57.689 --> 01:30:00.689
charts. These kids were going to camps all through

01:30:00.689 --> 01:30:02.630
the summer. They would get sent off to wrestling

01:30:02.630 --> 01:30:05.529
camp. They were training year round. And I just

01:30:05.529 --> 01:30:08.130
hopped into my sophomore year. I did one season

01:30:08.130 --> 01:30:10.810
of wrestling. And I was like, this is crazy.

01:30:11.329 --> 01:30:14.109
Like the level. I had no idea. I was hanging

01:30:14.109 --> 01:30:15.310
around with these people. I thought they were

01:30:15.310 --> 01:30:17.970
normal people. They're like kids that were like

01:30:17.970 --> 01:30:20.930
little soldiers. Right. Like all of them. Thick

01:30:20.930 --> 01:30:23.510
neck, little fucking soldiers. And you realize

01:30:23.510 --> 01:30:26.550
like, wow. I like open my eyes like, gee. Jesus,

01:30:26.550 --> 01:30:28.590
there's these people around. And they were never

01:30:28.590 --> 01:30:31.729
even considered martial artists until the UFC.

01:30:32.069 --> 01:30:34.270
Nobody really understood, unless they actually

01:30:34.270 --> 01:30:37.229
did wrestling, how helpless the average person

01:30:37.229 --> 01:30:39.949
is with an elite wrestler. You have no chance.

01:30:40.529 --> 01:30:43.270
It's not like, maybe you'll be able to hit him

01:30:43.270 --> 01:30:46.170
before he takes you down. Nope, no chance. He's

01:30:46.170 --> 01:30:48.510
going to shoot on you. He's going to... You have

01:30:48.510 --> 01:30:51.630
no chance. You have zero chance. But there was

01:30:51.630 --> 01:30:53.149
always a bunch of guys who were pretending they

01:30:53.149 --> 01:30:55.189
were martial arts experts. It was, oh, it was

01:30:55.189 --> 01:30:57.739
a... really common thing and then you would talk

01:30:57.739 --> 01:30:59.239
to him like where do you train what do you what

01:30:59.239 --> 01:31:02.979
do you do and it was always some guy who like

01:31:02.979 --> 01:31:05.680
learned some missed there was one guy this guy

01:31:05.680 --> 01:31:08.140
actually wound up getting arrested uh for murder

01:31:08.140 --> 01:31:11.880
and he's in jail right now yeah he had lied to

01:31:11.880 --> 01:31:13.460
everybody and told them that he was a brazilian

01:31:13.460 --> 01:31:16.630
jiu -jitsu black belt And he was even teaching

01:31:16.630 --> 01:31:20.029
people, and he knew almost nothing. And this

01:31:20.029 --> 01:31:23.130
was like in the early, early 2000s, I guess,

01:31:23.329 --> 01:31:27.109
like the late 90s, early 2000s. And it was just

01:31:27.109 --> 01:31:29.810
starting to catch on. People were just starting

01:31:29.810 --> 01:31:32.449
to understand the depth of martial arts because

01:31:32.449 --> 01:31:34.590
of the UFC. But it hadn't really gone mainstream

01:31:34.590 --> 01:31:39.529
until about 2005. And this guy was telling everybody

01:31:39.529 --> 01:31:41.050
he was a Brazilian jiu -jitsu black belt, and

01:31:41.050 --> 01:31:43.600
then Eddie Bravo trained with him. And Eddie

01:31:43.600 --> 01:31:45.460
came back to me. He's like, man, something's

01:31:45.460 --> 01:31:47.500
wrong. He was like, this guy is terrible. He

01:31:47.500 --> 01:31:50.460
doesn't know shit. And he's like, and I was like,

01:31:50.479 --> 01:31:52.300
really? He goes, yeah, I think he's a fake. I

01:31:52.300 --> 01:31:54.060
think he's a fraud. And he wound up confronting

01:31:54.060 --> 01:32:00.100
this guy. And then the guy wound up, he was banging

01:32:00.100 --> 01:32:03.020
some guy's wife and wound up luring the guy back

01:32:03.020 --> 01:32:06.319
to his karate school and killing him. What? Yeah,

01:32:06.380 --> 01:32:09.260
yeah. And he went to jail. And he's in jail right

01:32:09.260 --> 01:32:12.310
now. But he had a fake name. His name was Raphael

01:32:12.310 --> 01:32:14.609
Torrey. That was his fake name. But his real

01:32:14.609 --> 01:32:16.770
name was like Ralph something or another. And

01:32:16.770 --> 01:32:19.890
he's in jail right now for murder. But that's

01:32:19.890 --> 01:32:22.250
a super funny character, right? Not that guy.

01:32:22.590 --> 01:32:25.090
But a fake black belt. But a fake martial artist.

01:32:25.649 --> 01:32:29.909
What was that? There was a movie years ago where

01:32:29.909 --> 01:32:32.569
it was like The Way of One Foot or something.

01:32:32.649 --> 01:32:33.729
Have you ever watched that? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:32:33.729 --> 01:32:35.449
Yeah, with Danny McBride. Yeah, it's awesome.

01:32:35.750 --> 01:32:37.649
And it was fucking hilarious, man. And it's like

01:32:37.649 --> 01:32:42.439
that guy, that character. that strip mall, you

01:32:42.439 --> 01:32:45.039
know, martial artist. It's just. Piece of shit.

01:32:45.199 --> 01:32:47.720
Yeah. There's a guy on Instagram that documents

01:32:47.720 --> 01:32:50.619
all these guys. It's McDojoLife on Instagram.

01:32:50.699 --> 01:32:53.779
It's a fucking great page because it's all people

01:32:53.779 --> 01:32:56.520
doing bullshit, fake martial arts, like death

01:32:56.520 --> 01:32:59.079
touch, like people that can like touch your forehead

01:32:59.079 --> 01:33:01.380
and you go limp and fall to the ground. And you

01:33:01.380 --> 01:33:04.239
get all their students become like brainwashed

01:33:04.239 --> 01:33:06.979
and they go along with this whole facade. It's

01:33:06.979 --> 01:33:09.779
really weird. They're in on the charade. It's

01:33:09.779 --> 01:33:12.939
very strange. Super weird. It's very cultish.

01:33:13.920 --> 01:33:16.319
Martial arts are very cultish, especially traditional

01:33:16.319 --> 01:33:18.319
martial arts. Like your instructor is always

01:33:18.319 --> 01:33:21.140
sir. You're always bowing to them. There's always

01:33:21.140 --> 01:33:23.779
a lot of weirdness. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In like

01:33:23.779 --> 01:33:26.159
traditional Taekwondo, you always would refer

01:33:26.159 --> 01:33:29.600
to your instructors as mister. It was mister.

01:33:29.680 --> 01:33:31.800
I hated it. I was like just you don't have to

01:33:31.800 --> 01:33:33.279
do that. How many years did you do that? Oh,

01:33:33.380 --> 01:33:39.340
like hardcore for seven years. Yeah. And then

01:33:39.340 --> 01:33:41.600
you switched over to jujitsu? Yeah, I switched

01:33:41.600 --> 01:33:43.119
over to jujitsu a few years later. I stopped

01:33:43.119 --> 01:33:47.640
fighting when I was 22. And then I was like doing

01:33:47.640 --> 01:33:51.340
comedy. I started doing comedy at 21. And I kind

01:33:51.340 --> 01:33:54.560
of half -assed, still trained and fought a few

01:33:54.560 --> 01:33:57.500
times while I was also doing comedy. But I didn't

01:33:57.500 --> 01:33:59.000
have the commitment that I had before. I had

01:33:59.000 --> 01:34:03.800
a series of events that led me out of like wanting

01:34:03.800 --> 01:34:07.380
to compete. And one of them was recognizing brain

01:34:07.380 --> 01:34:10.840
damage. recognizing it in other people, recognizing

01:34:10.840 --> 01:34:14.840
it in friends, and then laying in bed with headaches

01:34:14.840 --> 01:34:17.760
after sparring sessions going, okay, where does

01:34:17.760 --> 01:34:20.680
this lead? And I'm not even making any money

01:34:20.680 --> 01:34:22.479
off of this. And then there was a guy that I

01:34:22.479 --> 01:34:24.319
hurt really bad in a tournament. I knocked this

01:34:24.319 --> 01:34:27.800
one guy out when I was 19 in California. I was

01:34:27.800 --> 01:34:30.460
competing in the nationals, and I KO'd this guy,

01:34:30.500 --> 01:34:32.579
and he never got up. They had to take him on

01:34:32.579 --> 01:34:34.380
a stretcher, and he was on a stretcher for half

01:34:34.380 --> 01:34:35.960
an hour, and then they took him to the hospital,

01:34:36.039 --> 01:34:38.279
and it freaked me out. Because I was like, that

01:34:38.279 --> 01:34:40.739
could have easily been me. It easily could have

01:34:40.739 --> 01:34:43.659
been me. And that one bothered me. Because I

01:34:43.659 --> 01:34:45.199
was like, what am I doing? Like, why am I doing

01:34:45.199 --> 01:34:49.180
this? Like, I'm trying to win, you know, the

01:34:49.180 --> 01:34:51.819
national championships. I'm trying to be in the

01:34:51.819 --> 01:34:53.939
Olympics. I'm trying to do these things. But

01:34:53.939 --> 01:34:55.260
I'm like, okay, well, where does that lead me?

01:34:55.300 --> 01:34:57.039
To teaching? Do I really want to? I was already

01:34:57.039 --> 01:34:58.779
teaching at the time. Do I really want to teach

01:34:58.779 --> 01:35:00.819
for a living forever? I'm like, I don't think

01:35:00.819 --> 01:35:05.329
I do. There's not. And then recognizing that

01:35:05.329 --> 01:35:07.550
the martial art that I had picked, Taekwondo,

01:35:07.710 --> 01:35:09.789
had a lot of flaws in it. It was really good

01:35:09.789 --> 01:35:14.949
for kicking, but it wasn't the best overall martial

01:35:14.949 --> 01:35:16.789
art. And when I started kickboxing, I really

01:35:16.789 --> 01:35:18.750
realized that. And then I started getting into

01:35:18.750 --> 01:35:20.710
Muay Thai, and I realized the power of leg kicks

01:35:20.710 --> 01:35:23.750
with the devastating impact it has on your mobility.

01:35:23.869 --> 01:35:26.010
And like one or two leg kicks, and you're so

01:35:26.010 --> 01:35:28.689
compromised. I was like, oh, there's so many

01:35:28.689 --> 01:35:31.569
levels to this. So I was kind of half -assing.

01:35:32.170 --> 01:35:35.489
martial arts like the last year not not nearly

01:35:35.489 --> 01:35:38.449
as committed like i was all in all throughout

01:35:38.449 --> 01:35:43.130
my high school years all in until i was 21 and

01:35:43.130 --> 01:35:45.250
then from 21 to 22 kind of half -assed it and

01:35:45.250 --> 01:35:46.710
then i didn't start doing jiu -jitsu until years

01:35:46.710 --> 01:35:51.229
later so what's going on at like 21 22 in you

01:35:51.229 --> 01:35:53.069
like what are you thinking do you remember what

01:35:53.069 --> 01:35:55.109
you're thinking like Like I'm going to be an

01:35:55.109 --> 01:35:57.529
actor, I'm going to be a comic. No, no, no, no.

01:35:57.590 --> 01:35:59.350
What are you thinking? I didn't think I was going

01:35:59.350 --> 01:36:02.569
to be a comic until I did an open mic night when

01:36:02.569 --> 01:36:05.949
I was 21. And then even then I was like, this

01:36:05.949 --> 01:36:09.520
is just something that I think I can do. But

01:36:09.520 --> 01:36:11.840
when I'd bomb, I'd be like, fuck, I should go

01:36:11.840 --> 01:36:14.680
back to fighting. And then you know what happened?

01:36:14.720 --> 01:36:17.619
I tore my ACL. And when I tore my ACL, I had

01:36:17.619 --> 01:36:19.119
to have surgery and I couldn't do anything for

01:36:19.119 --> 01:36:22.199
like six months. And then I realized like my

01:36:22.199 --> 01:36:25.479
body's vulnerable. Like you're counting on your

01:36:25.479 --> 01:36:30.119
tissue staying intact in order to like live this

01:36:30.119 --> 01:36:32.420
life that you want to live. So I had to get my

01:36:32.420 --> 01:36:35.899
knee reconstructed. And I was like, all right.

01:36:36.039 --> 01:36:38.800
So that was the first knee. knee reconstruction

01:36:38.800 --> 01:36:42.239
yeah it was back then yeah I was 22 I think when

01:36:42.239 --> 01:36:46.199
I blew it out 21 somewhere around then it was

01:36:46.199 --> 01:36:47.939
like right around the time when I was like thinking

01:36:47.939 --> 01:36:50.699
about stopping competing it's like my you know

01:36:50.699 --> 01:36:53.159
like the universe was like let me help you right

01:36:53.159 --> 01:36:56.220
let me fuck your knee up real quick so I had

01:36:56.220 --> 01:36:57.539
to get that fixed and that takes a little while

01:36:57.539 --> 01:37:01.359
before it gets back to normal again but uh the

01:37:01.359 --> 01:37:03.850
comedy became a thing where I was like This is

01:37:03.850 --> 01:37:05.810
very exciting and really difficult to do and

01:37:05.810 --> 01:37:07.470
so different than anything else I was doing.

01:37:07.649 --> 01:37:09.329
Well, you have to get the people to like you.

01:37:09.470 --> 01:37:12.090
Like it's dependent upon like personality. And

01:37:12.090 --> 01:37:14.489
whereas with martial arts, I wanted them to not

01:37:14.489 --> 01:37:17.289
like me. I loved it. I didn't have any problem.

01:37:17.350 --> 01:37:19.750
Like no one's going to save you. It doesn't matter

01:37:19.750 --> 01:37:22.149
if these people hate me. And if you're looking

01:37:22.149 --> 01:37:24.109
at me and there's just you and me and a referee,

01:37:24.289 --> 01:37:27.149
I liked it. I liked that this person had like

01:37:27.149 --> 01:37:28.689
a bunch of at least one of my favorite things

01:37:28.689 --> 01:37:32.170
was like hearing cheers stop. Like when people

01:37:32.170 --> 01:37:34.090
are cheering like, get him, fuck yeah, kick his

01:37:34.090 --> 01:37:37.510
ass, kick his ass. Then, whomp. And then the

01:37:37.510 --> 01:37:39.289
guy would collapse and then you hear silence.

01:37:40.710 --> 01:37:43.949
You just hear silence. Especially if you go to

01:37:43.949 --> 01:37:46.189
where they live. Right. Like if you had to go

01:37:46.189 --> 01:37:48.510
to Ohio and fight in Ohio. I just loved that

01:37:48.510 --> 01:37:51.890
silence. It was this final moment. And my thing

01:37:51.890 --> 01:37:54.670
was I would always walk away like it was normal.

01:37:54.869 --> 01:37:57.050
I would never celebrate. I would just walk away

01:37:57.050 --> 01:38:00.029
like that was, I do this every day. I'm going

01:38:00.029 --> 01:38:01.770
to do this to the next guy, too. This is what

01:38:01.770 --> 01:38:04.010
I'm going to do to you. And I would always take

01:38:04.010 --> 01:38:06.250
naps, too. That was the other thing I did when

01:38:06.250 --> 01:38:08.210
everybody was freaking out before fighting, before

01:38:08.210 --> 01:38:10.529
sparring. I would go to sleep in front of everybody.

01:38:10.850 --> 01:38:13.130
I'd just put a hoodie on and just lie down on

01:38:13.130 --> 01:38:15.630
the ground and go to sleep. Is that like where

01:38:15.630 --> 01:38:18.470
you try to... fuck with them a little bit? It

01:38:18.470 --> 01:38:19.729
was a little bit of fucking with them. It was

01:38:19.729 --> 01:38:22.390
a little bit of I'm so relaxed that I'm going

01:38:22.390 --> 01:38:24.529
to take a nap here while you're freaking out.

01:38:24.750 --> 01:38:27.029
But it was also, I wanted to do it from my own

01:38:27.029 --> 01:38:31.250
mind. I wanted to just like be, I was so in my

01:38:31.250 --> 01:38:35.409
own head. I was just, it was, I was so in my

01:38:35.409 --> 01:38:38.470
own, like what I'm going to do. I wasn't thinking

01:38:38.470 --> 01:38:41.210
about all these other external things until that

01:38:41.210 --> 01:38:43.670
one knockout. That's when I really started thinking

01:38:43.670 --> 01:38:46.079
about what could happen to me. Because I had

01:38:46.079 --> 01:38:47.800
gotten really lucky where I never really got

01:38:47.800 --> 01:38:50.819
hurt in a tournament. Never got dropped. Never

01:38:50.819 --> 01:38:54.520
got knocked out. Never got really rocked. But

01:38:54.520 --> 01:38:56.720
I did it to a lot of people. And then I was like,

01:38:56.779 --> 01:38:59.000
this is coming around. Like it's only a matter

01:38:59.000 --> 01:39:02.380
of time before I get whomped. It's just it happens.

01:39:02.659 --> 01:39:04.640
It's just going to happen. I'm going to fight

01:39:04.640 --> 01:39:07.020
some national champion guy. And I'm going to

01:39:07.020 --> 01:39:08.520
zig when I should have zagged. And I'm going

01:39:08.520 --> 01:39:11.199
to catch a heel to my fucking jaw. And that's

01:39:11.199 --> 01:39:13.199
going to be a wrap. I'm going to be waking up

01:39:13.199 --> 01:39:15.819
in the hospital. That's interesting that you

01:39:15.819 --> 01:39:18.819
had that thought early on to where you're like,

01:39:18.899 --> 01:39:22.520
ah. Well, I started seeing brain damage in other

01:39:22.520 --> 01:39:25.500
people, specifically when I started kickboxing

01:39:25.500 --> 01:39:27.939
because I was training at boxing gyms. And I

01:39:27.939 --> 01:39:31.079
started seeing guys who were like, there's like

01:39:31.079 --> 01:39:34.199
a slurry aspect to the way they talked. There

01:39:34.199 --> 01:39:36.600
was a labored thing to their speech. There was

01:39:36.600 --> 01:39:38.859
something about them. And then I would see it

01:39:38.859 --> 01:39:42.720
degrade over time. You know, like I really started

01:39:42.720 --> 01:39:46.319
getting involved in sparring and boxing when

01:39:46.319 --> 01:39:48.920
I was about 19. And that was also around the

01:39:48.920 --> 01:39:51.939
time I started losing my enthusiasm for Taekwondo

01:39:51.939 --> 01:39:54.579
because I just realized the no punching to the

01:39:54.579 --> 01:39:57.020
face thing in tournaments was so limited. It

01:39:57.020 --> 01:39:59.600
really it fucked you up because it gave you this

01:39:59.600 --> 01:40:02.039
illusion that you could pull things off where

01:40:02.039 --> 01:40:04.079
all the guy would have to do is jab you in the

01:40:04.079 --> 01:40:07.560
face. You're like, oh. OK, like at this distance,

01:40:07.640 --> 01:40:09.779
you can't do the thing that you normally do in

01:40:09.779 --> 01:40:12.399
a Taekwondo tournament. You have to be much more

01:40:12.399 --> 01:40:14.819
aware defensively. So I had to recalibrate my

01:40:14.819 --> 01:40:18.260
offense and my tactics. And so then I just I

01:40:18.260 --> 01:40:21.220
started doing a lot of boxing and a lot of kickboxing.

01:40:21.220 --> 01:40:25.310
And I saw so much brain damage. I saw so much

01:40:25.310 --> 01:40:28.329
like unreported brain damage, just weird stuff.

01:40:28.470 --> 01:40:30.630
Guys would tell you the same story. They just

01:40:30.630 --> 01:40:32.550
told you like five minutes ago. They tell it

01:40:32.550 --> 01:40:34.729
to you again. And I was realizing, oh, these

01:40:34.729 --> 01:40:37.489
guys can't remember. They just said this thing

01:40:37.489 --> 01:40:39.989
five minutes ago. It was like they were stoned,

01:40:40.050 --> 01:40:42.770
you know, and they weren't, you know. They were

01:40:42.770 --> 01:40:46.029
just starting to exhibit the beginning signs

01:40:46.029 --> 01:40:51.630
of brain damage. So when you're making those

01:40:51.630 --> 01:40:55.670
decisions early on, like, you're controlling,

01:40:55.750 --> 01:40:58.970
like being able to control your emotions. So

01:40:58.970 --> 01:41:01.869
your anxiety and being able to like put yourself

01:41:01.869 --> 01:41:04.510
into the right mental framework to go out and

01:41:04.510 --> 01:41:08.710
perform. So regardless, so you're competing in

01:41:08.710 --> 01:41:11.409
Taekwondo, you're going out, you're actually

01:41:11.409 --> 01:41:13.470
performing like open mics. Is that what you're

01:41:13.470 --> 01:41:15.770
doing at the time? Yeah, when I was 21. Once

01:41:15.770 --> 01:41:18.369
I was 21, I started doing open mics. And so being

01:41:18.369 --> 01:41:20.489
able to control your emotions because you got

01:41:20.489 --> 01:41:22.939
to be freaking out a little bit. Yeah, well,

01:41:22.979 --> 01:41:24.960
the first time, the first time I went on stage,

01:41:25.020 --> 01:41:26.920
I was more scared than I had ever been fighting,

01:41:27.060 --> 01:41:29.300
which I thought was crazy. So I started fighting

01:41:29.300 --> 01:41:32.060
before I could really be scared. I started fighting

01:41:32.060 --> 01:41:34.180
when I was 15. It was like the first fights that

01:41:34.180 --> 01:41:36.619
I had. So you were scared, but you didn't, you

01:41:36.619 --> 01:41:39.630
were so stupid. You didn't know what could happen

01:41:39.630 --> 01:41:42.189
to you. And I was really lucky that I had a really

01:41:42.189 --> 01:41:44.590
good school. The school that I trained at was

01:41:44.590 --> 01:41:48.909
super technical. It was the guy who I trained

01:41:48.909 --> 01:41:51.890
under, this guy Jae Hun Kim, he trained with

01:41:51.890 --> 01:41:55.489
General Chae Young Yi, who was like the founder

01:41:55.489 --> 01:41:59.250
of Taekwondo. And so it was like the technique

01:41:59.250 --> 01:42:03.180
was... perfect like you had to have perfect technique

01:42:03.180 --> 01:42:06.920
like if you did anything sloppy or anything like

01:42:06.920 --> 01:42:09.720
kind of they would correct you like you had to

01:42:09.720 --> 01:42:12.699
have it down and they emphasize a lot of heavy

01:42:12.699 --> 01:42:15.159
bag training which a lot of schools didn't even

01:42:15.159 --> 01:42:18.020
have a heavy bag which I thought was crazy like

01:42:18.020 --> 01:42:20.989
we would go and do these these things where we'd

01:42:20.989 --> 01:42:24.229
have our team would go and train with another

01:42:24.229 --> 01:42:26.310
team. Like we would travel to New York and there

01:42:26.310 --> 01:42:29.210
was like another, an instructor that was friends

01:42:29.210 --> 01:42:31.069
with our instructor and they would bring the

01:42:31.069 --> 01:42:33.010
competition teams to compete against each other.

01:42:33.069 --> 01:42:35.369
And we'd fight in a gym. So it was like these

01:42:35.369 --> 01:42:37.670
unsanctioned fights that you would have. And,

01:42:37.750 --> 01:42:39.470
you know, you'd find people that were roughly

01:42:39.470 --> 01:42:40.989
your weight and these guys didn't have heavy

01:42:40.989 --> 01:42:43.210
bags and that you'd go to their gym. They have

01:42:43.210 --> 01:42:45.489
like a, you know, strip mall type gym. And there

01:42:45.489 --> 01:42:47.930
was in their dojang, they didn't have a heavy

01:42:47.930 --> 01:42:49.779
bag. I was like, this is crazy. You guys don't

01:42:49.779 --> 01:42:52.939
train with heavy bags? And it didn't make any

01:42:52.939 --> 01:42:55.159
sense to me. They had kicking paddles and a bunch

01:42:55.159 --> 01:42:56.399
of different things, but they didn't have anything

01:42:56.399 --> 01:43:00.000
to improve thrusting techniques and stabbing

01:43:00.000 --> 01:43:01.760
techniques, which is like you need resistance.

01:43:01.859 --> 01:43:05.439
You need a heavy bag. And so our instructor was

01:43:05.439 --> 01:43:08.420
adamant about like if you can't hurt somebody

01:43:08.420 --> 01:43:12.439
badly with one kick, you're doing the wrong thing.

01:43:12.960 --> 01:43:16.210
These techniques were originally. designed for

01:43:16.210 --> 01:43:19.630
war. And you're supposed to be able to have devastating

01:43:19.630 --> 01:43:22.949
power in everything you throw. That got lost

01:43:22.949 --> 01:43:25.250
a little when Taekwondo got into the Olympics

01:43:25.250 --> 01:43:27.090
or when it was on the path to getting into the

01:43:27.090 --> 01:43:30.090
Olympics. And it became more of like point scoring.

01:43:30.390 --> 01:43:32.810
They would try to hit you and run away, hit you

01:43:32.810 --> 01:43:35.409
and run away. And it was a lot of like fast moving

01:43:35.409 --> 01:43:37.569
techniques that didn't have the same sort of

01:43:37.569 --> 01:43:40.720
devastating impact. So I got real lucky in where

01:43:40.720 --> 01:43:43.859
I trained is that they really emphasize power.

01:43:44.300 --> 01:43:47.180
And so the school that I was at was very feared

01:43:47.180 --> 01:43:49.479
because a lot of the other black belts were like

01:43:49.479 --> 01:43:51.699
the guys that I trained with were fucking really

01:43:51.699 --> 01:43:55.119
dangerous. Like they were known for when they

01:43:55.119 --> 01:43:56.939
would go to a tournament, people would get scared

01:43:56.939 --> 01:44:00.880
because if these guys hit you, you're in trouble.

01:44:00.979 --> 01:44:04.100
Like these were dangerous cats, you know, that

01:44:04.100 --> 01:44:07.300
were like. just wheel kicking people into another

01:44:07.300 --> 01:44:10.319
dimension, turning side, kicking people and crushing

01:44:10.319 --> 01:44:13.640
rib cages. It was a lot of that. And so I got

01:44:13.640 --> 01:44:15.720
real lucky that that's the gym that I started

01:44:15.720 --> 01:44:18.319
in, that I started with like, you know, you imitate

01:44:18.319 --> 01:44:21.460
your atmosphere. The first guy that I ever saw

01:44:21.460 --> 01:44:24.060
hit a bag was this guy, John Lee. And when I

01:44:24.060 --> 01:44:27.039
saw him, he was the national Taekwondo light

01:44:27.039 --> 01:44:29.220
heavyweight champion. And he was competing. He

01:44:29.220 --> 01:44:31.520
was training to compete in the world games. So

01:44:31.520 --> 01:44:33.500
he was about to go to, I guess it was the world

01:44:33.500 --> 01:44:36.460
cup. And he was in full training mode like the

01:44:36.460 --> 01:44:38.720
moment I walked into the gym. And I watched him

01:44:38.720 --> 01:44:41.500
fold this heavy bag. And as I was going up the

01:44:41.500 --> 01:44:43.699
stairs, I could hear the sound of it. This is

01:44:43.699 --> 01:44:45.939
I was just visiting this gym. I was leaving a

01:44:45.939 --> 01:44:49.260
baseball game at Fenway Park. And me and my friend

01:44:49.260 --> 01:44:51.140
just walked up the stairs just because we didn't

01:44:51.140 --> 01:44:53.279
want to wait for the tee. It took so long for

01:44:53.279 --> 01:44:55.199
so many people leaving the baseball game. There

01:44:55.199 --> 01:44:56.439
was going to be big lines. It was going to be

01:44:56.439 --> 01:44:58.100
packed. Let's just walk up here and see what's

01:44:58.100 --> 01:45:00.420
going on. And as we were walking up the stairs,

01:45:00.539 --> 01:45:03.319
I heard this sound that I'll never forget. It

01:45:03.319 --> 01:45:08.119
was like. Whomp! Ka -ching! Whomp! Ka -ching!

01:45:08.359 --> 01:45:11.119
And the ka -ching was the chains of the heavy

01:45:11.119 --> 01:45:15.460
bag. Because this 120 -pound bag was flying through

01:45:15.460 --> 01:45:18.420
the air when this guy would hit it. And the chains

01:45:18.420 --> 01:45:20.920
were going ka -ching and rattling. And then it

01:45:20.920 --> 01:45:22.180
would come down and he would set it up again.

01:45:22.399 --> 01:45:26.569
And he was... seven ten feet from me like there's

01:45:26.569 --> 01:45:28.289
this like little ledge we could sit and watch

01:45:28.289 --> 01:45:30.890
people and they had set it up like that so the

01:45:30.890 --> 01:45:33.210
heavy bag was set up right where people would

01:45:33.210 --> 01:45:34.970
walk in because it was a great recruitment tool

01:45:34.970 --> 01:45:36.970
because you would really get to see what people

01:45:36.970 --> 01:45:39.789
are capable of and the moment I saw that I was

01:45:39.789 --> 01:45:43.449
like I want to know how to do that like how do

01:45:43.449 --> 01:45:46.130
you do that like he was doing spinning back kicks

01:45:46.130 --> 01:45:48.409
over and over again turning side kicks and just

01:45:48.409 --> 01:45:50.850
folding this fucking bag and I'm like that's

01:45:50.850 --> 01:45:53.680
crazy that a person could generate. I didn't

01:45:53.680 --> 01:45:55.859
think a person could generate that kind of force.

01:45:56.640 --> 01:45:59.699
And I trained with him a lot, and I learned from

01:45:59.699 --> 01:46:02.279
him a lot. He taught me a lot. And he was an

01:46:02.279 --> 01:46:03.840
interesting guy, too, because he was, like, a

01:46:03.840 --> 01:46:06.020
real street guy. Like, he'd been in and out of

01:46:06.020 --> 01:46:09.760
jail, wound up having a substance problem, but

01:46:09.760 --> 01:46:13.659
he was this funny dude from Chelsea, which was,

01:46:13.720 --> 01:46:16.020
like, a real hard, dangerous neighborhood in

01:46:16.020 --> 01:46:20.100
Boston, and just a fucking killer, man, a killer.

01:46:21.220 --> 01:46:24.140
Just a killer and when he would when he would

01:46:24.140 --> 01:46:27.220
compete people get so nervous It was crazy to

01:46:27.220 --> 01:46:29.180
watch because I started see I started training

01:46:29.180 --> 01:46:31.420
with him and going to tournaments with him when

01:46:31.420 --> 01:46:33.500
I was a white belt So I was a white belt and

01:46:33.500 --> 01:46:35.279
he was a black belt national champion And when

01:46:35.279 --> 01:46:37.020
John Lee would show up you see people whispering

01:46:37.020 --> 01:46:40.939
like fuck John Lee's here You would see guys

01:46:40.939 --> 01:46:42.760
take a deep breath because they knew he was in

01:46:42.760 --> 01:46:46.439
their weight class fuck Fuck. Because they knew

01:46:46.439 --> 01:46:49.119
this guy wasn't trying to win on points. He was

01:46:49.119 --> 01:46:52.159
trying to break your body. He was trying to just

01:46:52.159 --> 01:46:54.560
crush your organs. He was trying to separate

01:46:54.560 --> 01:46:57.960
your fucking brain from the inside of its skull.

01:46:58.180 --> 01:47:00.739
He was trying to hurt you. And he did it to a

01:47:00.739 --> 01:47:03.359
lot of people. I watched him knock out a lot

01:47:03.359 --> 01:47:06.840
of people. A lot of people. It was wild to see.

01:47:07.739 --> 01:47:11.529
So, like, you know. But to me, it was just like

01:47:11.529 --> 01:47:15.069
this new thing that was going to change who I

01:47:15.069 --> 01:47:18.810
am. You know, I went for the first time in my

01:47:18.810 --> 01:47:21.130
life. I felt like I wasn't a loser because I

01:47:21.130 --> 01:47:23.310
was like really good at this thing that was scary,

01:47:23.409 --> 01:47:26.010
you know, and I just threw myself into it. It

01:47:26.010 --> 01:47:28.409
was my whole life. I didn't do anything. I didn't

01:47:28.409 --> 01:47:31.710
party. I didn't go to didn't I had very few friends

01:47:31.710 --> 01:47:35.329
outside of high school. My whole thing was just

01:47:35.329 --> 01:47:37.949
training. I'd get home from school, get something

01:47:37.949 --> 01:47:40.390
to eat, immediately leave, hop on the train,

01:47:40.609 --> 01:47:43.489
head into town every day. That was like 15? Yeah.

01:47:44.090 --> 01:47:47.130
Yeah, from like the summer of my freshman year

01:47:47.130 --> 01:47:49.750
of high school. That's when I first started.

01:47:50.130 --> 01:47:54.710
Right when I graduated from high school in my

01:47:54.710 --> 01:47:57.729
freshman year, I started training. And it was

01:47:57.729 --> 01:48:00.670
nuts. It was just like this complete new life.

01:48:01.289 --> 01:48:04.390
It was so weird. And then competing, like traveling

01:48:04.390 --> 01:48:06.630
around competing. First it was like a white belt,

01:48:06.729 --> 01:48:09.229
then a blue belt, then wicker my way up, purple

01:48:09.229 --> 01:48:11.909
belt. And then all of a sudden, in Taekwondo,

01:48:11.949 --> 01:48:14.630
red belt is brown belt. Right. And then black

01:48:14.630 --> 01:48:17.949
belt. And then my instructor was crazy. He would

01:48:17.949 --> 01:48:19.569
let me compete as a black belt before I was a

01:48:19.569 --> 01:48:22.329
black belt. He let me compete in the men's division

01:48:22.329 --> 01:48:25.689
when I was 16. Yeah, it was nuts. Holy shit.

01:48:27.349 --> 01:48:30.270
Yeah. It was just they if they thought you had

01:48:30.270 --> 01:48:32.689
potential, they just throw you right in the flames.

01:48:32.770 --> 01:48:34.789
Like, let's see. Let's see what you could do.

01:48:35.430 --> 01:48:38.210
So the confidence that gives you it's like finding.

01:48:38.860 --> 01:48:40.920
Something that you're good at. Yeah. Well, all

01:48:40.920 --> 01:48:44.840
of a sudden I got obsessed with something where

01:48:44.840 --> 01:48:46.960
I'd never really worked hard at anything in my

01:48:46.960 --> 01:48:49.399
life. And then I had abs. I was like, this is

01:48:49.399 --> 01:48:51.739
crazy. Like I look at myself in the mirror. I

01:48:51.739 --> 01:48:54.199
had abs. All of a sudden I had muscles everywhere.

01:48:54.380 --> 01:48:55.739
I was like, this is not because you're going

01:48:55.739 --> 01:48:58.380
through puberty. Right. So you're this doughy

01:48:58.380 --> 01:49:00.560
little fucking kid, this scrawny, doughy little

01:49:00.560 --> 01:49:02.699
kid that never did any sports other than baseball.

01:49:03.100 --> 01:49:05.819
And then all of a sudden I'm shredded and I know

01:49:05.819 --> 01:49:08.140
how to fuck people up. And then I was doing it

01:49:08.140 --> 01:49:11.060
to like live humans all over the country, like

01:49:11.060 --> 01:49:13.180
traveling everywhere. We traveled. That's all

01:49:13.180 --> 01:49:15.439
we did. We just traveled. So how does that go

01:49:15.439 --> 01:49:17.579
from how do you go from there, though? Like,

01:49:17.579 --> 01:49:22.020
why or how did you go? I'm going to go to stand

01:49:22.020 --> 01:49:25.399
up. Like, what was the what was that? It was

01:49:25.399 --> 01:49:27.579
really my friends. Really? Yeah, my friend Steve

01:49:27.579 --> 01:49:30.079
Graham, who I'm still friends with to this day.

01:49:30.100 --> 01:49:32.039
He was a real maniac. He was on the U .S. ski

01:49:32.039 --> 01:49:38.880
team. He was a flight pilot with the Navy. or

01:49:38.880 --> 01:49:40.960
not a flight pilot, a flight surgeon with the

01:49:40.960 --> 01:49:43.479
Navy. He was an ophthalmologist, like insanely

01:49:43.479 --> 01:49:46.340
hardworking guy, like unbelievably disciplined.

01:49:46.979 --> 01:49:52.000
And he got into Taekwondo while he was a doctor,

01:49:52.119 --> 01:49:53.619
you know, while he was an ophthalmologist. He's

01:49:53.619 --> 01:49:56.079
a maniac to this day. This dude's had like, he's

01:49:56.079 --> 01:49:57.920
still a good friend. He's had like 70 fucking

01:49:57.920 --> 01:50:00.260
surgeries. He's had his knees replaced, still

01:50:00.260 --> 01:50:02.819
trained, still spars. Yeah, yeah. He's like in

01:50:02.819 --> 01:50:04.859
his 60s now. He's a fucking nut. And so he's

01:50:04.859 --> 01:50:06.770
like, hey, you're funny? You should go do this.

01:50:06.909 --> 01:50:08.890
We would go to tournaments. And when we would

01:50:08.890 --> 01:50:11.350
go to tournaments or when we have sparring days

01:50:11.350 --> 01:50:14.390
in particular, everybody was super nervous. It

01:50:14.390 --> 01:50:18.420
was very dangerous. And so I would be the one

01:50:18.420 --> 01:50:20.619
who would break the ice. I would be the one who

01:50:20.619 --> 01:50:23.380
would make fun of everybody and do impressions

01:50:23.380 --> 01:50:26.880
of everybody. And I always was cracking everybody

01:50:26.880 --> 01:50:30.060
up. And it was a captive audience. And everyone

01:50:30.060 --> 01:50:32.699
was looking for, like, relief from the fact that

01:50:32.699 --> 01:50:35.020
there was this – like, we would be on a bus headed

01:50:35.020 --> 01:50:36.619
to, like, Poughkeepsie, New York to go compete

01:50:36.619 --> 01:50:38.380
in a tournament. And I would be the one on the

01:50:38.380 --> 01:50:40.520
bus, like, making fun of everything, just cracking

01:50:40.520 --> 01:50:43.279
everybody up. And my friend Steve said, you should

01:50:43.279 --> 01:50:45.590
be a stand -up. You should try it. You just try

01:50:45.590 --> 01:50:48.270
it. And I'm like, look, you think I'm funny because

01:50:48.270 --> 01:50:50.970
you like me. Other people are going to think

01:50:50.970 --> 01:50:53.270
I'm an asshole. Like my sense of humor was very

01:50:53.270 --> 01:50:56.989
dark. It was very crazy back then because I was

01:50:56.989 --> 01:51:00.970
living a crazy life. And then did an open mic

01:51:00.970 --> 01:51:03.029
night. And then I said, I think I might be able

01:51:03.029 --> 01:51:05.630
to do this. Did you bomb like straight away?

01:51:05.710 --> 01:51:08.649
No, I didn't do well. I got a couple of laughs

01:51:08.649 --> 01:51:11.449
like, ha, ha, ha. It wasn't good. But everybody

01:51:11.449 --> 01:51:15.039
sucks. Do you remember any of the jokes? Yeah,

01:51:15.039 --> 01:51:17.020
here's my impression of a good -looking girl

01:51:17.020 --> 01:51:18.859
getting pulled over by the cops. Do you realize

01:51:18.859 --> 01:51:21.039
how fast you're going? No, do you like my tits?

01:51:21.699 --> 01:51:23.779
Yes, I do. Here's a warning. It was terrible.

01:51:24.260 --> 01:51:27.899
It was so bad. It was so bad. I had so many bad

01:51:27.899 --> 01:51:32.359
jokes. But I also realized, like, everybody sucks

01:51:32.359 --> 01:51:34.300
in the beginning. And then I thought back to

01:51:34.300 --> 01:51:35.939
martial arts. I go, oh, this is like everything.

01:51:36.159 --> 01:51:40.039
Right. Like, if you start off, you suck. Like,

01:51:40.039 --> 01:51:42.000
everything in the whole thing is, like, getting

01:51:42.000 --> 01:51:44.689
better at this thing you suck at. Which is like...

01:51:44.880 --> 01:51:47.920
I had this guy, Tommy Woods, Dr. Tommy Woods.

01:51:48.020 --> 01:51:51.079
We were talking about new things, about the value

01:51:51.079 --> 01:51:53.439
in terms of like people that acquired dementia.

01:51:53.640 --> 01:51:56.600
And one of the best ways to keep your brain fresh

01:51:56.600 --> 01:51:59.260
is do new things. Do things that you're not good

01:51:59.260 --> 01:52:00.979
at and learn how to do them and get better at.

01:52:01.340 --> 01:52:04.180
And I think I had sort of just applied what I

01:52:04.180 --> 01:52:06.000
had learned from martial arts because obviously

01:52:06.000 --> 01:52:07.680
I wasn't good at martial arts when I started.

01:52:07.899 --> 01:52:09.560
I was terrible. Everybody's terrible. You don't

01:52:09.560 --> 01:52:11.460
know what you're doing. And then you realize

01:52:11.460 --> 01:52:14.899
like, oh, through repetitive effort. concentration,

01:52:15.060 --> 01:52:17.439
focus, discipline, you're going to get better.

01:52:17.560 --> 01:52:19.840
It's a path. And so I was like, oh, this is a

01:52:19.840 --> 01:52:22.779
new thing. But it's also a new thing filled with

01:52:22.779 --> 01:52:25.539
other misfits because I was a misfit, right?

01:52:25.739 --> 01:52:27.300
And it's like, oh, well, these comedians are

01:52:27.300 --> 01:52:29.619
misfits too. They didn't have regular rules.

01:52:29.840 --> 01:52:31.880
They always wanted to smoke pot and drink beer.

01:52:32.079 --> 01:52:34.300
And, you know, they stayed up late and they slept

01:52:34.300 --> 01:52:36.699
late and they were just maniacs. I was like,

01:52:36.779 --> 01:52:39.220
okay. I could hang out with these people. Regular

01:52:39.220 --> 01:52:42.539
people that wanted a regular job scared the shit

01:52:42.539 --> 01:52:44.079
out of me because I don't want to get sucked

01:52:44.079 --> 01:52:49.439
into your drone -like frequency. I tried regular

01:52:49.439 --> 01:52:51.960
jobs. This is not going to work for me. I'm too

01:52:51.960 --> 01:52:54.880
ADD, HD, whatever the fuck it is. Whatever it

01:52:54.880 --> 01:52:57.539
is, I got it. I'm like, I can't do this. But

01:52:57.539 --> 01:53:00.460
those people were misfits. There were these weird,

01:53:00.560 --> 01:53:03.380
and occasionally professionals would go up, and

01:53:03.380 --> 01:53:06.539
you'd realize, like, wow. This guy's a master,

01:53:06.680 --> 01:53:09.880
like the mastery he has of like concepts and

01:53:09.880 --> 01:53:12.279
jokes and tricking you into thinking one thing

01:53:12.279 --> 01:53:14.180
and then he hits you with another thing. God,

01:53:14.520 --> 01:53:16.439
and the smoothness of it all. It just became

01:53:16.439 --> 01:53:19.439
an obsession. Do you remember the guy that like

01:53:19.439 --> 01:53:22.439
you looked at? Teddy Bergeron. There's this guy

01:53:22.439 --> 01:53:24.960
who had been on The Tonight Show and he unfortunately

01:53:24.960 --> 01:53:28.420
developed a substance problem, which a lot of

01:53:28.420 --> 01:53:31.420
people do. And I think. Some of it is just the

01:53:31.420 --> 01:53:33.699
pressure of stand -up and the pressure of fame

01:53:33.699 --> 01:53:36.720
and the pressure of constantly performing. And

01:53:36.720 --> 01:53:39.300
then it's just also like just living that dirtbag

01:53:39.300 --> 01:53:41.659
life where you're just like you could do whatever

01:53:41.659 --> 01:53:43.859
you want. It doesn't matter. Do coke. They're

01:53:43.859 --> 01:53:46.560
just doing coke. There was clubs that would pay

01:53:46.560 --> 01:53:49.680
you in coke. What? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nick's Comedy

01:53:49.680 --> 01:53:53.640
Stop would offer you cocaine or cash in the 1980s.

01:53:53.779 --> 01:53:59.729
Yeah. I can see that. I can see how this thing

01:53:59.729 --> 01:54:02.649
becomes super addicting. And this is like your

01:54:02.649 --> 01:54:05.789
dirtbag life. It's that same parallel we were

01:54:05.789 --> 01:54:07.909
talking about. This becomes the rock that you're

01:54:07.909 --> 01:54:10.750
climbing every day because this is the audience

01:54:10.750 --> 01:54:13.090
that you have to entertain. It becomes about

01:54:13.090 --> 01:54:15.930
getting better, honing a craft, and ultimately

01:54:15.930 --> 01:54:19.340
succeeding with the... crowd right in front of

01:54:19.340 --> 01:54:20.920
you and they're giving you the feedback like

01:54:20.920 --> 01:54:23.340
that's very similar like you're either getting

01:54:23.340 --> 01:54:25.600
higher on the rock or you're falling off and

01:54:25.600 --> 01:54:28.840
the falling off was important because the bombings

01:54:28.840 --> 01:54:32.439
would really teach you you didn't want that so

01:54:32.439 --> 01:54:34.960
what was it about the bomb like what did you

01:54:34.960 --> 01:54:37.279
how did you bomb what did you do wrong what went

01:54:37.279 --> 01:54:39.199
wrong what's wrong with your material what's

01:54:39.199 --> 01:54:41.079
wrong like are you being lazy in the way you're

01:54:41.079 --> 01:54:42.439
setting things up like what are you doing wrong

01:54:42.439 --> 01:54:45.800
and then figuring it out because that pain of

01:54:45.800 --> 01:54:48.300
bombing was so like sometimes it's bad to do

01:54:48.300 --> 01:54:50.640
well a bunch of times because you need to get

01:54:50.640 --> 01:54:53.239
relaxed like you can't be relaxed like you have

01:54:53.239 --> 01:54:55.460
to like constantly grinding at it you have to

01:54:55.460 --> 01:54:57.960
constantly be taking that fucking thing apart

01:54:57.960 --> 01:55:00.600
and trying to figure out what how to make it

01:55:00.600 --> 01:55:03.520
better the guys like uh like andy kaufman right

01:55:03.520 --> 01:55:05.159
there would go out and they had a whole shtick

01:55:05.159 --> 01:55:07.079
and nobody understood what the fuck they were

01:55:07.079 --> 01:55:10.180
doing that's a different thing it but it's a

01:55:10.180 --> 01:55:12.319
different thing wild like it is wild because

01:55:12.319 --> 01:55:16.180
it's almost an intentional you're bombing intentionally

01:55:16.180 --> 01:55:19.279
but it's Funny, you're you gotta like stretch

01:55:19.279 --> 01:55:21.699
it out a little bit to understand what what's

01:55:21.699 --> 01:55:24.880
going on and it's a different individual psychology

01:55:24.880 --> 01:55:27.180
It's a different thing. He's doing a different

01:55:27.180 --> 01:55:29.960
thing my criticism of that. I don't really have

01:55:29.960 --> 01:55:32.199
a criticism Maybe that's the wrong word because

01:55:32.199 --> 01:55:34.439
I think Kaufman was brilliant. He was brilliant

01:55:34.439 --> 01:55:37.399
on taxi He was an interesting character the shitty

01:55:37.399 --> 01:55:39.640
did with pro wrestling was just bananas, but

01:55:39.640 --> 01:55:47.359
he was wrestling But he never was a great comic

01:55:47.359 --> 01:55:51.960
right like see if if Shane Gillis Decided to

01:55:51.960 --> 01:55:55.500
go that path and just bomb on purpose that would

01:55:55.500 --> 01:55:57.939
be almost more interesting right like here's

01:55:57.939 --> 01:56:03.579
a guy who knows How to kill he's a real comic

01:56:03.579 --> 01:56:05.699
and one of the funniest guys ever yeah, and then

01:56:05.699 --> 01:56:08.680
he starts saying Playing the theme to Mighty

01:56:08.680 --> 01:56:11.579
Mouse and just repeating, here I come to save

01:56:11.579 --> 01:56:13.840
the day. Like, this is what Andy Kaufman did.

01:56:13.899 --> 01:56:16.199
He would have a record player and just play the

01:56:16.199 --> 01:56:18.779
Mighty Mouse theme song and just repeat, here

01:56:18.779 --> 01:56:20.279
I come to save the day. And everybody was like,

01:56:20.359 --> 01:56:22.100
well, what the fuck is going on? Like, it was

01:56:22.100 --> 01:56:24.539
like this weird mind fuck that he was doing with

01:56:24.539 --> 01:56:26.960
everybody. But he never did the other thing.

01:56:27.159 --> 01:56:29.579
Right, right. He never, like, really entertained

01:56:29.579 --> 01:56:33.180
and killed. Like, all the evidence of Andy Kaufman

01:56:33.180 --> 01:56:35.500
is of him doing this weird stuff. Which, again,

01:56:35.600 --> 01:56:37.680
it's not really a criticism. Right. But he was

01:56:37.680 --> 01:56:40.260
doing a different thing. He was an odd guy who

01:56:40.260 --> 01:56:43.359
saw this thing and he was like, I think I can

01:56:43.359 --> 01:56:46.100
get in there and do something completely disruptive.

01:56:46.500 --> 01:56:50.340
Right. I can see that. Like it's very distinctly

01:56:50.340 --> 01:56:52.680
different. Nothing wrong with it. I loved it.

01:56:52.760 --> 01:56:55.119
I love especially the wrestling stuff, but it's

01:56:55.119 --> 01:56:57.979
not my favorite. Like if someone told me Andy

01:56:57.979 --> 01:57:00.060
Kaufman's performing in this room over here,

01:57:00.140 --> 01:57:03.460
but Dave Attell. is in that room over there.

01:57:03.500 --> 01:57:05.260
I'm going to see David Tell. I want to go see

01:57:05.260 --> 01:57:06.579
the master. You're going to laugh. Yeah, I'm

01:57:06.579 --> 01:57:08.880
going to laugh, and I'm going to see a guy at

01:57:08.880 --> 01:57:12.479
the top of his craft that's doing this hypnosis

01:57:12.479 --> 01:57:15.100
on everybody, and you just leave there. Your

01:57:15.100 --> 01:57:17.560
sides hurt, and you're dying. You don't leave

01:57:17.560 --> 01:57:20.119
there going, what the fuck was that? But he wanted

01:57:20.119 --> 01:57:22.060
people to leave there and go, what the fuck was

01:57:22.060 --> 01:57:25.159
that? That was the magic of Andy Kaufman. But

01:57:25.159 --> 01:57:27.680
it's just not my, you know, I don't like jazz.

01:57:28.319 --> 01:57:30.159
I don't want to go see jazz. It's hard to like.

01:57:30.740 --> 01:57:33.619
It's kind of cool background music, but I'm not

01:57:33.619 --> 01:57:35.960
leaving the house to go see jazz. But I know

01:57:35.960 --> 01:57:39.000
people who fucking love it. So if you think back

01:57:39.000 --> 01:57:41.039
to Taxi, I was thinking about this the other

01:57:41.039 --> 01:57:45.180
day with Danny DeVito and Taxi. That guy's still

01:57:45.180 --> 01:57:47.680
going. I know. It's incredible, man. I know.

01:57:48.630 --> 01:57:51.170
And just like a snippet of Taxi came up, and

01:57:51.170 --> 01:57:53.829
I was like, holy shit, how old is Danny DeVito?

01:57:53.890 --> 01:57:57.229
He's 150 ,000 years old. Tony Danza's long since

01:57:57.229 --> 01:58:00.250
retired. Holy shit. That guy just keeps going,

01:58:00.329 --> 01:58:02.670
and he looked old in Taxi. Is Judd Hurst still

01:58:02.670 --> 01:58:05.970
alive? I don't know. That's a good question.

01:58:06.170 --> 01:58:09.090
I don't know. That was a great show. That was

01:58:09.090 --> 01:58:11.890
a great show. That was a great show. He's 90.

01:58:12.069 --> 01:58:15.430
He's 90? Yeah. Mary Lou Henner was Taxi too,

01:58:15.529 --> 01:58:19.420
right? Wasn't she on Taxi? Mary Lou Henner, you

01:58:19.420 --> 01:58:21.579
know, she has that crazy mind thing where she

01:58:21.579 --> 01:58:24.279
remembers everything. Seriously? Everything.

01:58:24.439 --> 01:58:28.520
You can give her a date and she could tell you

01:58:28.520 --> 01:58:32.079
like 1973, February 2nd. She'll tell you what

01:58:32.079 --> 01:58:34.939
day it was. She can tell you what happened on

01:58:34.939 --> 01:58:38.239
that day. She can tell you news things. She can

01:58:38.239 --> 01:58:40.899
tell you what she was doing that day. She has

01:58:40.899 --> 01:58:44.350
like... not just a photographic memory, but a

01:58:44.350 --> 01:58:47.329
complete recall of all events and dates. I forget

01:58:47.329 --> 01:58:50.590
what the term is. Superior autobiographical memory

01:58:50.590 --> 01:58:53.109
ability. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. I can remember almost

01:58:53.109 --> 01:58:55.489
every day of her life since she was 11. Isn't

01:58:55.489 --> 01:58:58.050
that nuts? That's amazing. And she's got to be

01:58:58.050 --> 01:58:59.949
70 years old, right? 73, I think is what I just

01:58:59.949 --> 01:59:03.050
said. 73? Yeah. She remembers everything. The

01:59:03.050 --> 01:59:05.810
funny thing is, is DeVito's still funny. Yeah.

01:59:05.850 --> 01:59:08.890
Like, he's still funny. Like, I mean, like, the

01:59:08.890 --> 01:59:12.100
way that it... He lands jokes. I mean, Always

01:59:12.100 --> 01:59:15.680
Sunny. How many seasons is that? Like 20 now?

01:59:15.779 --> 01:59:19.260
I don't know. How many fucking things has he

01:59:19.260 --> 01:59:22.180
done? I don't know. From Taxi to Always Sunny.

01:59:22.180 --> 01:59:25.159
Taxi was when I was a boy. Yeah. To Always Sunny.

01:59:25.359 --> 01:59:27.760
That was the thing my dad used to watch. Yeah.

01:59:28.020 --> 01:59:30.380
Like my dad seems old. My dad's 80 years old,

01:59:30.420 --> 01:59:32.939
right? My dad used to watch that. How old's Danny

01:59:32.939 --> 01:59:37.600
DeVito? 81. 81. Still banging it out. Still fucking

01:59:37.600 --> 01:59:40.260
killing it, man. Still funny. I mean, how old's...

01:59:40.260 --> 01:59:42.420
I'm not trying to equate Ron White to Danny,

01:59:42.539 --> 01:59:44.039
but I'm saying, like, how old's Ron? Because

01:59:44.039 --> 01:59:47.800
he's still killing it. 70? Yeah, Ron's 70. I

01:59:47.800 --> 01:59:50.819
was watching him the other night, and, you know,

01:59:50.819 --> 01:59:52.840
he flew back from wherever he was, and he just,

01:59:52.859 --> 01:59:55.739
like, came in and stood up there and did a set.

01:59:55.819 --> 01:59:57.979
Like, he just kind of, like, walked in. It felt

01:59:57.979 --> 01:59:59.399
like he was just like, I'm here, I'm just going

01:59:59.399 --> 02:00:03.119
to stop in and do this. And then he fucking killed

02:00:03.119 --> 02:00:07.590
seamlessly. Just... It was... Perfect. He's as

02:00:07.590 --> 02:00:09.630
good as... He's better, I think, than he's ever

02:00:09.630 --> 02:00:12.569
been right now. I've never... Like, watching

02:00:12.569 --> 02:00:14.989
somebody that's great and then watching somebody

02:00:14.989 --> 02:00:19.069
that's in another dimension, like him specifically,

02:00:19.369 --> 02:00:22.409
because he's perfect. Like, it's just... It's

02:00:22.409 --> 02:00:24.789
absolutely perfect because it comes off... It's

02:00:24.789 --> 02:00:26.710
unforced. It's a conversation. Like, he's just

02:00:26.710 --> 02:00:29.029
having a conversation with the crowd. Yeah. Like,

02:00:29.130 --> 02:00:33.229
it's so incredible to watch somebody that can

02:00:33.229 --> 02:00:37.850
be perfect in their... delivery but then be completely

02:00:37.850 --> 02:00:40.430
unassuming in the way that they're delivering

02:00:40.430 --> 02:00:43.250
it like yeah like it's just a natural conversation

02:00:43.250 --> 02:00:46.529
like a casual yeah it's completely casual killing

02:00:46.529 --> 02:00:49.850
you don't even feel like you're in like you're

02:00:49.850 --> 02:00:51.609
you're watching a stand -up comedian you feel

02:00:51.609 --> 02:00:54.789
like you're watching somebody talk and you know

02:00:54.789 --> 02:00:58.289
that it's coming you think that it's coming and

02:00:58.289 --> 02:01:00.989
you he still fucking delivers it with just a

02:01:00.989 --> 02:01:02.829
level of exceptionalism you're like fuck man

02:01:02.829 --> 02:01:05.829
like The guy's incredible. I think it's one of

02:01:05.829 --> 02:01:07.210
those things where you keep working at it, you

02:01:07.210 --> 02:01:08.970
just keep getting better. And also, he stopped

02:01:08.970 --> 02:01:11.250
drinking. So he stopped drinking a couple of

02:01:11.250 --> 02:01:13.609
years ago, and that changed everything. He lost

02:01:13.609 --> 02:01:16.789
a ton of weight, got way more focused. But, you

02:01:16.789 --> 02:01:21.390
know, he had been going hard for decades. And

02:01:21.390 --> 02:01:23.489
his doctor had to pull him aside and go, hey,

02:01:23.609 --> 02:01:26.470
man, you're going to die. Are all those guys

02:01:26.470 --> 02:01:30.250
still, all the blue -collar comedy tour guys,

02:01:30.369 --> 02:01:32.350
are they still? Are they still all doing it?

02:01:32.789 --> 02:01:35.010
Foxworthy still does stand up. I think he did

02:01:35.010 --> 02:01:37.989
stand up recently with Ron. But I don't think

02:01:37.989 --> 02:01:40.350
he tours a lot. I don't know about Larry the

02:01:40.350 --> 02:01:42.710
Cable Guy. I don't hear about him anymore. I

02:01:42.710 --> 02:01:44.529
don't hear about the other guy, Bill Engvall.

02:01:44.689 --> 02:01:46.689
You don't hear much about him anymore. I think

02:01:46.689 --> 02:01:49.390
out of all of them, Ron is the guy who's still.

02:01:49.850 --> 02:01:51.850
But out of all of them, it was like Jeff Foxworthy

02:01:51.850 --> 02:01:54.449
was a great comic. And then, you know, I think,

02:01:54.470 --> 02:01:57.750
in my opinion, Ron was the best. Ron's just a

02:01:57.750 --> 02:02:02.680
master. But also Ron, he loves it, man. He was

02:02:02.680 --> 02:02:06.180
there last night. He performs all the time. He's

02:02:06.180 --> 02:02:10.479
always down. I always get text messages from

02:02:10.479 --> 02:02:11.960
him when I have shows. He wants to come and do

02:02:11.960 --> 02:02:15.340
a set. He lives for it, man. He's constantly

02:02:15.340 --> 02:02:17.539
writing. He's constantly working on it. That's

02:02:17.539 --> 02:02:20.199
his thing, man. He enjoys the shit out of it.

02:02:20.520 --> 02:02:23.020
Still tours. Still does the road. Does better

02:02:23.020 --> 02:02:25.380
than ever. Sells out everywhere. And you're getting

02:02:25.380 --> 02:02:27.220
the best show out of Ron that you've ever gotten

02:02:27.220 --> 02:02:29.840
out of him. He's better now, I think, than he's

02:02:29.840 --> 02:02:32.720
ever been. I really believe that. And it's crazy

02:02:32.720 --> 02:02:36.180
that at 70, he's still getting better. His material

02:02:36.180 --> 02:02:38.460
just keeps getting better. And it's always working

02:02:38.460 --> 02:02:40.829
at it. It's always working at it, you know? Yeah,

02:02:40.850 --> 02:02:43.670
that whole thing about L .A. or whatever he did.

02:02:43.789 --> 02:02:47.369
It sounded like he pulled that out of his ass

02:02:47.369 --> 02:02:50.850
on stage. He was just telling a story about being

02:02:50.850 --> 02:02:52.670
on a flight. And you're like, holy shit. He's

02:02:52.670 --> 02:02:55.090
just telling me a story. He was in the back room

02:02:55.090 --> 02:02:57.149
of the comedy store one night. There's a back

02:02:57.149 --> 02:03:00.189
bar. And we were hanging out. And we were drinking.

02:03:00.270 --> 02:03:02.369
This was back in Ron's drinking days. And we're

02:03:02.369 --> 02:03:04.890
having a couple glasses of whiskey. And then

02:03:04.890 --> 02:03:07.829
Ron starts telling the story about how when he

02:03:07.829 --> 02:03:11.399
was stationed in Hawaii. he goes there's a place

02:03:11.399 --> 02:03:14.000
you can go and you know it's a bunch of hookers

02:03:14.000 --> 02:03:16.319
you get your dick sucked for like 20 bucks man

02:03:16.319 --> 02:03:18.659
i was there every fucking day and he goes then

02:03:18.659 --> 02:03:21.680
all these years later i was watching the news

02:03:21.680 --> 02:03:26.500
story and all these transvestite hookers were

02:03:26.500 --> 02:03:30.319
getting rounded up in the very area where i used

02:03:30.319 --> 02:03:34.979
to go Every day and I realized oh my god I got

02:03:34.979 --> 02:03:38.220
my dick suck about a hundred times by men and

02:03:38.220 --> 02:03:40.960
he was telling this this fucking hilarious bit.

02:03:41.159 --> 02:03:43.739
He wasn't a bit He was just telling us this story.

02:03:43.840 --> 02:03:45.720
We were dying ago. Do you ever said this on stage?

02:03:45.939 --> 02:03:49.000
He goes no fuck No, I go you should tell that

02:03:49.000 --> 02:03:52.220
on stage. I go wrong. That's hilarious I goes

02:03:52.220 --> 02:03:54.539
we were dying laughing. I mean it was like it

02:03:54.539 --> 02:03:56.600
was a bit, but it was just him telling a story

02:03:56.600 --> 02:03:59.920
Well, just in no intention right I've ever seen

02:04:00.729 --> 02:04:03.310
We're in the back room. He goes from the back

02:04:03.310 --> 02:04:06.529
room onto the stage in the OR, the original room.

02:04:06.630 --> 02:04:09.109
He walks down the hallway. I go with him. He

02:04:09.109 --> 02:04:12.409
goes on stage. He goes, let me tell you a story

02:04:12.409 --> 02:04:14.510
about how I got my dick sucked about 100 times

02:04:14.510 --> 02:04:20.850
by a man. He just goes into the story. It fucking

02:04:20.850 --> 02:04:25.890
murders. Murders. Like it had been a polished

02:04:25.890 --> 02:04:28.739
bit that he had been working on for years. It

02:04:28.739 --> 02:04:32.659
was just a story. But Ron is a great storyteller,

02:04:32.720 --> 02:04:35.359
like a natural storyteller. Like, if he's not

02:04:35.359 --> 02:04:38.380
trying to be funny, he's funny. Yeah. He doesn't

02:04:38.380 --> 02:04:41.640
have to, like, think about it. It's like, he's

02:04:41.640 --> 02:04:44.819
just got this personality, man. He's just cool.

02:04:45.119 --> 02:04:49.199
Yeah, he's like that iconic, almost a Western

02:04:49.199 --> 02:04:51.460
storyteller. Like, the guy that you would expect

02:04:51.460 --> 02:04:55.100
sitting at the campfire at hunting camp. It's

02:04:55.100 --> 02:04:58.489
the old... you know, guide that's been around

02:04:58.489 --> 02:05:02.130
a hundred years. Like, he's killed thousands

02:05:02.130 --> 02:05:04.409
of animals. He's packed shit out. And then he's

02:05:04.409 --> 02:05:07.729
got these stories that you can't help but listen

02:05:07.729 --> 02:05:10.930
to. Yeah. And that's what he reminds me of. I'm

02:05:10.930 --> 02:05:14.970
like, man, this guy is so fucking perfect. And

02:05:14.970 --> 02:05:16.930
every time I see him, I'm like, holy shit. That's

02:05:16.930 --> 02:05:19.590
the guy. That's the guy. He's an old master.

02:05:20.090 --> 02:05:23.909
You know? There's not a lot of humans like that

02:05:23.909 --> 02:05:27.789
guy. He's the main reason. why I was interested

02:05:27.789 --> 02:05:30.649
in moving to Austin. He was the first reason

02:05:30.649 --> 02:05:32.970
because I knew Ron had already lived here. Ron

02:05:32.970 --> 02:05:35.189
was already moved here. Ron moved here in 2018.

02:05:36.150 --> 02:05:38.770
Okay. And so he just got tired of it. He kept

02:05:38.770 --> 02:05:40.750
a place in Beverly Hills and would come visit

02:05:40.750 --> 02:05:43.090
us at the comedy store sometimes. But I was talking

02:05:43.090 --> 02:05:44.670
to him on the phone. He's like, man, I fucking

02:05:44.670 --> 02:05:47.630
love it here. He goes, there's no Hollywood bullshit.

02:05:48.029 --> 02:05:50.010
He goes, if I want to fly somewhere to work,

02:05:50.149 --> 02:05:52.050
I'm in the center of the country. It's easy to

02:05:52.050 --> 02:05:54.390
get anywhere. People are nice. Food's great.

02:05:54.949 --> 02:05:57.130
And he goes, you guys are not around. And I kept

02:05:57.130 --> 02:05:59.529
thinking, man, can I live in Austin? Like I always

02:05:59.529 --> 02:06:02.630
liked Austin and Onnit was out here. So when

02:06:02.630 --> 02:06:04.390
I would come out here for work every now and

02:06:04.390 --> 02:06:07.140
then. come out here and love doing stand up here

02:06:07.140 --> 02:06:10.340
like that planted the first seed and then when

02:06:10.340 --> 02:06:14.619
the pandemic hit Ron was already here and when

02:06:14.619 --> 02:06:17.420
I came out here to look at houses and stuff and

02:06:17.420 --> 02:06:20.380
this is in May of 2020 so this is only a couple

02:06:20.380 --> 02:06:22.819
months into the lockdown but I had already had

02:06:22.819 --> 02:06:25.239
enough I was like I'm getting the fuck out of

02:06:25.239 --> 02:06:28.300
here like I knew these cocksuckers in LA were

02:06:28.300 --> 02:06:30.300
never going to give up the kind of control and

02:06:30.300 --> 02:06:31.880
power that they had over people's lives they

02:06:31.880 --> 02:06:35.189
get off on it those fucking weirdos and so I

02:06:35.189 --> 02:06:37.649
was like, well, at least Ron will be there. I

02:06:37.649 --> 02:06:39.609
go hang out with Ron. Like even if I never do

02:06:39.609 --> 02:06:42.649
stand up again, at least Ron will be here. And

02:06:42.649 --> 02:06:44.909
then, you know, Ron was also the guy who convinced

02:06:44.909 --> 02:06:47.329
me that I have to open up a club. I had had the

02:06:47.329 --> 02:06:48.850
thought in my head and I was thinking about doing

02:06:48.850 --> 02:06:51.130
it. We talked about doing it. And then Ron went

02:06:51.130 --> 02:06:53.590
on stage for the first time in like six months.

02:06:53.909 --> 02:06:56.550
It was in November of 2020. And then he grabs

02:06:56.550 --> 02:06:58.770
me by my shoulders when he got off stage because

02:06:58.770 --> 02:07:01.369
he fucking murdered. First of all, when he went

02:07:01.369 --> 02:07:03.720
on stage, they. went crazy and there's a giant

02:07:03.720 --> 02:07:06.060
standing ovation because there was no indoor

02:07:06.060 --> 02:07:09.380
shows anywhere else near there it was like we

02:07:09.380 --> 02:07:11.880
were doing it at the Vulcan they had some shows

02:07:11.880 --> 02:07:13.899
they were doing at Cap City before Cap City went

02:07:13.899 --> 02:07:15.720
under but they were like separating everybody

02:07:15.720 --> 02:07:18.699
by like 20 feet or some stupid shit like as if

02:07:18.699 --> 02:07:20.939
the virus can't go through the it was dumb right

02:07:20.939 --> 02:07:23.560
everything was dumb but the Vulcan was just like

02:07:23.560 --> 02:07:26.260
unhinged it was packed I was like this is so

02:07:26.260 --> 02:07:28.619
crazy this is such a super spreader party and

02:07:29.119 --> 02:07:32.220
And Ron went on stage and he had gone over his

02:07:32.220 --> 02:07:34.619
notes and material and wasn't even sure. He was

02:07:34.619 --> 02:07:37.159
thinking he was retired. He was talking about

02:07:37.159 --> 02:07:40.159
retiring. I think I'm retired. Did this one set

02:07:40.159 --> 02:07:42.000
and then he grabs me by the shoulders. He goes,

02:07:42.039 --> 02:07:44.060
whatever the fuck we have to do, we're going

02:07:44.060 --> 02:07:46.680
to keep doing this. He goes, you got to open

02:07:46.680 --> 02:07:48.960
up that club. I'm like, okay, we're going to

02:07:48.960 --> 02:07:50.739
open up the club. And then we started looking

02:07:50.739 --> 02:07:53.199
for locations like right afterwards. So like

02:07:53.199 --> 02:07:57.340
Ron was a key force. He's the godfather of the

02:07:57.340 --> 02:08:00.199
Austin comedy movement, like where this became

02:08:00.199 --> 02:08:03.619
like this big hub. It started with Ron, 100%.

02:08:03.619 --> 02:08:06.899
Because I knew if he was here, if he was here,

02:08:06.979 --> 02:08:09.020
at least I'd have my friend. I could go hang

02:08:09.020 --> 02:08:11.359
out. Right, right. Because, like, even if I couldn't

02:08:11.359 --> 02:08:13.800
do stand -up again, I need someone who's just

02:08:13.800 --> 02:08:16.939
a renegade. I need a dude I can hang out with

02:08:16.939 --> 02:08:19.479
that's a real comic that we're going to have

02:08:19.479 --> 02:08:22.680
fun. We can just talk shit and laugh. Well, who

02:08:22.680 --> 02:08:24.279
would you hang out with when you were in L .A.?

02:08:24.279 --> 02:08:26.979
Him. Him? Him when he was there until 2018, always.

02:08:27.100 --> 02:08:29.859
But, of course, Joey Diaz. Yeah. And, you know,

02:08:29.899 --> 02:08:31.640
when the pandemic hit, Joey moved to New Jersey.

02:08:31.680 --> 02:08:34.539
He's like, fuck this place. He was on the same

02:08:34.539 --> 02:08:37.920
things as me. Fuck these people. And he... Always

02:08:37.920 --> 02:08:39.880
wanted to go back home to New Jersey, which was,

02:08:39.899 --> 02:08:42.960
you know, where he's from. And then Duncan moved

02:08:42.960 --> 02:08:46.180
to North Carolina. Like, everybody moved out.

02:08:46.600 --> 02:08:48.779
But it was like Duncan, I hung out with Duncan,

02:08:48.920 --> 02:08:52.680
Segura, Ari, Bert, all those people that were,

02:08:52.859 --> 02:08:55.039
you know, the mainstays at the comedy store.

02:08:55.319 --> 02:08:57.739
It was just, there was an amazing crew. Tony

02:08:57.739 --> 02:09:00.060
Hinchcliffe, of course. And Tony was one of the

02:09:00.060 --> 02:09:02.340
first guys to move out here, too, with me. And

02:09:02.340 --> 02:09:04.100
then Segura moved out here, and then everybody

02:09:04.100 --> 02:09:06.140
moved out here. And just, like, this wave started.

02:09:06.439 --> 02:09:08.300
Is there anybody that you're, like, that you

02:09:08.300 --> 02:09:10.619
started with, like, back in the day? Because

02:09:10.619 --> 02:09:12.960
you were, what, Boston? Mm -hmm. Like, was there

02:09:12.960 --> 02:09:14.300
anybody that you started with that you're still,

02:09:14.319 --> 02:09:16.479
like? Yeah, Fitzsimmons. Greg Fitzsimmons. We're

02:09:16.479 --> 02:09:19.079
real tight. Greg Fitzsimmons started one week.

02:09:20.039 --> 02:09:23.399
I think I started a week after him or before

02:09:23.399 --> 02:09:24.880
him, something like that. But we're separated

02:09:24.880 --> 02:09:27.479
by one week. Oh, seriously? Yeah. We did open

02:09:27.479 --> 02:09:30.000
mics together. We traveled around together. We

02:09:30.000 --> 02:09:32.439
would drive 90 minutes to do five minutes for

02:09:32.439 --> 02:09:35.380
free. Yeah, we would drive to Rhode Island to

02:09:35.380 --> 02:09:39.159
do stand -up for free. We traveled all over New

02:09:39.159 --> 02:09:41.899
England. We did road gigs together. Yeah, we

02:09:41.899 --> 02:09:44.800
came up together. We had so much fun. We just

02:09:44.800 --> 02:09:48.000
had no money, no career, no even thought of one

02:09:48.000 --> 02:09:52.180
day having a career. The goal was I want to be

02:09:52.180 --> 02:09:54.699
able to make a living doing comedy because we

02:09:54.699 --> 02:09:57.479
knew that there was guys in town that were headliners

02:09:57.479 --> 02:10:00.380
that could, you know, grind out $100 ,000, $50

02:10:00.380 --> 02:10:03.140
,000, whatever it is a year, only doing comedy.

02:10:03.239 --> 02:10:04.640
They didn't have to do anything else. I was like,

02:10:04.680 --> 02:10:07.750
that's the dream. Imagine if you could pay your

02:10:07.750 --> 02:10:10.350
bills with comedy. Right. The idea of a career

02:10:10.350 --> 02:10:13.829
was like, no, we never even talked about it because

02:10:13.829 --> 02:10:16.350
everybody in Boston stayed in Boston. Nobody

02:10:16.350 --> 02:10:19.489
left. And other than like Stephen Wright and

02:10:19.489 --> 02:10:21.649
Jay Leno, there's like a few people that had

02:10:21.649 --> 02:10:24.510
kind of air quotes made it, you know, during

02:10:24.510 --> 02:10:26.909
that time period and left Boston. Right. The

02:10:26.909 --> 02:10:29.750
goal in Boston was just to be a good comic. It

02:10:29.750 --> 02:10:32.590
was a real interesting thing because it was a

02:10:32.590 --> 02:10:36.810
real artist colony. In the most unpretentious

02:10:36.810 --> 02:10:39.649
of ways, because these guys were all coke, snorting,

02:10:39.670 --> 02:10:43.029
whiskey drinking, psychopaths. And a lot of them

02:10:43.029 --> 02:10:45.250
were big guys, like these big fucking football

02:10:45.250 --> 02:10:48.500
player looking dudes who were just animals. And

02:10:48.500 --> 02:10:51.439
they were just wild men, you know, and they they

02:10:51.439 --> 02:10:55.340
had this life that was so envious to me. I was

02:10:55.340 --> 02:10:58.000
like, God, to be so free. All you have to do

02:10:58.000 --> 02:11:00.579
is just tell jokes. You don't have to ever show

02:11:00.579 --> 02:11:04.239
up at the fucking the newspaper depot to deliver

02:11:04.239 --> 02:11:06.899
newspapers or drive. I was driving limos and

02:11:06.899 --> 02:11:08.539
doing construction gig. I didn't have to do any

02:11:08.539 --> 02:11:11.529
of that. You could just do comedy. And that was

02:11:11.529 --> 02:11:13.949
me and Greg. We would just drive around just

02:11:13.949 --> 02:11:16.109
thinking like one day, imagine being able to

02:11:16.109 --> 02:11:19.050
make a living doing this. That was the only goal.

02:11:21.069 --> 02:11:23.569
And then we both wound up event. He moved to

02:11:23.569 --> 02:11:25.529
New York for a bit and I lived in New York for

02:11:25.529 --> 02:11:27.750
a while. And then I moved to L .A. and then he

02:11:27.750 --> 02:11:30.970
eventually moved to L .A. as well. And now he's

02:11:30.970 --> 02:11:34.250
still there. He's still back in L .A. Gosh, I

02:11:34.250 --> 02:11:37.989
can't imagine, man. Look, living there and staying

02:11:37.989 --> 02:11:41.340
there. even professionally. Did you see what

02:11:41.340 --> 02:11:43.460
they just did to the guys that won the Super

02:11:43.460 --> 02:11:46.380
Bowl? Did you see the jock tax? Yeah. Jamie,

02:11:46.439 --> 02:11:48.600
you see the jock tax? Yeah, it's not a new thing,

02:11:48.600 --> 02:11:50.760
though. I understand. It's not? I understand.

02:11:51.000 --> 02:11:56.039
But it's specific to California. And this jock

02:11:56.039 --> 02:12:01.800
tax in California, some of the players lost money.

02:12:02.319 --> 02:12:05.199
Playing in the Super Bowl. Oh, no, no, it is

02:12:05.199 --> 02:12:07.319
true. I don't think so. No, no, it is true. I

02:12:07.319 --> 02:12:12.020
went through AI last night. No, they pulled it

02:12:12.020 --> 02:12:15.699
up on Grok and people analyzed it. No, no, Jamie.

02:12:16.760 --> 02:12:19.819
Jamie. It's based on the seven days that they

02:12:19.819 --> 02:12:23.399
had to be there. So you have to pay a fee based

02:12:23.399 --> 02:12:26.380
on the seven days dependent upon what your salary

02:12:26.380 --> 02:12:28.500
is. They played a game there in January, though,

02:12:28.539 --> 02:12:32.439
too. Okay. It should be this year. Okay, whatever.

02:12:32.880 --> 02:12:37.560
The Super Bowl, specifically, these guys... Jamie's

02:12:37.560 --> 02:12:39.840
so funny. I know, but this is one of those things

02:12:39.840 --> 02:12:41.539
that's not real. What do you mean it's not real?

02:12:41.680 --> 02:12:44.359
I told you, it was run through AI last night.

02:12:45.119 --> 02:12:48.359
He made $178 ,000 for the Super Bowl. He had

02:12:48.359 --> 02:12:53.460
to pay $249 ,000 in tax. I'm pretty sure those

02:12:53.460 --> 02:12:55.640
are the numbers. And it's based on the fact that

02:12:55.640 --> 02:12:58.520
he was there for seven days. So it's a percentage

02:12:58.520 --> 02:13:00.840
of your income over the course of a year. So

02:13:00.840 --> 02:13:03.000
if he makes $2 million a year and he's there

02:13:03.000 --> 02:13:05.500
for seven days, this is how much money you have

02:13:05.500 --> 02:13:08.500
to pay. Gotcha. And so the Super Bowl pay is

02:13:08.500 --> 02:13:11.979
not, it's like on top of your normal salary.

02:13:12.180 --> 02:13:15.039
Right. Right. So it actually cost him money to

02:13:15.039 --> 02:13:18.060
play in the Super Bowl. So he made $178 ,000.

02:13:18.239 --> 02:13:21.100
But because he's there for seven days, he had

02:13:21.100 --> 02:13:24.180
to pay 200 and something thousand dollars. Did

02:13:24.180 --> 02:13:26.720
you watch it? No. No. I was going to watch it

02:13:26.720 --> 02:13:28.859
just for Bad Bunny, just because everybody was

02:13:28.859 --> 02:13:31.260
so pissed off. I thought it was hilarious. This

02:13:31.260 --> 02:13:34.260
guy's like, what do you fucking care? It's like

02:13:34.260 --> 02:13:37.659
this weird culture war that this guy is singing.

02:13:38.979 --> 02:13:40.340
Objectively, people that saw it said it was a

02:13:40.340 --> 02:13:42.859
great show. I don't know. I'll take their word

02:13:42.859 --> 02:13:45.520
for it. Somebody was telling me the other day,

02:13:45.619 --> 02:13:46.760
they're like, oh, you're going to watch the Super

02:13:46.760 --> 02:13:49.619
Bowl? I'm like, what? Super Bowl? Oh, yeah. Yeah,

02:13:49.659 --> 02:13:53.800
it's sports. Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. I was halfway

02:13:53.800 --> 02:13:55.899
through it or whatever. I'm like, I have no idea

02:13:55.899 --> 02:13:59.420
what's going on, man. I got other shit. If it's

02:13:59.420 --> 02:14:01.840
your team, I get it. It was the Patriots. I could

02:14:01.840 --> 02:14:04.939
root for the Patriots. But it's like, I'm busy.

02:14:07.500 --> 02:14:10.439
If it's on, like at the airport or something,

02:14:10.520 --> 02:14:12.500
I'll watch it. But I'm not going out of my way.

02:14:12.659 --> 02:14:14.279
I'm not going to be like, hey, let's go watch

02:14:14.279 --> 02:14:16.180
football. If Aaron Rodgers was playing, I'd watch

02:14:16.180 --> 02:14:19.060
it. Maybe I'd even go if Aaron was playing. But

02:14:19.060 --> 02:14:22.890
it's like, there's... It's so hard to go from

02:14:22.890 --> 02:14:25.270
combat sports to regular sports for me. Oh, God.

02:14:25.449 --> 02:14:28.949
It's so hard. It's so hard. The UFC last Saturday

02:14:28.949 --> 02:14:31.710
was fucking spectacular. And it was a small one

02:14:31.710 --> 02:14:35.149
in the Apex Center, and there were some incredible

02:14:35.149 --> 02:14:38.250
fights. It was so good. It's like, that to me

02:14:38.250 --> 02:14:41.189
is like, I don't have a lot of time for entertainment.

02:14:41.829 --> 02:14:44.750
That fills it all up. Yeah, that fight, like,

02:14:44.750 --> 02:14:48.250
I mean, Saturday was, like, incredible. Yeah.

02:14:48.250 --> 02:14:51.630
That was incredible. Yeah. The Mario Bautista

02:14:51.630 --> 02:14:54.189
performance was fucking insane. He's so good.

02:14:54.430 --> 02:14:56.430
That guy just keeps getting better. He looks

02:14:56.430 --> 02:14:59.489
like a world champion. And it's like you watch.

02:15:00.000 --> 02:15:02.460
combat sports and the the consequences are so

02:15:02.460 --> 02:15:05.899
grave what they're doing the dedication this

02:15:05.899 --> 02:15:08.500
moment you train for months and months for this

02:15:08.500 --> 02:15:11.380
one moment when this referee is like fighter

02:15:11.380 --> 02:15:15.039
one you ready fighter two let's go and it's whoo

02:15:15.039 --> 02:15:17.340
here we go that to me is the most exciting thing

02:15:17.340 --> 02:15:19.880
in all sports it'll never stop being that to

02:15:19.880 --> 02:15:23.800
me i love it so football's fun i like it i've

02:15:23.800 --> 02:15:26.260
been to some ut games ut games are fucking great

02:15:26.260 --> 02:15:29.800
they're fun well this is like the state, right?

02:15:29.899 --> 02:15:33.439
This is not only the state pastime, but people

02:15:33.439 --> 02:15:38.060
are grown up. They're completely modeled to go

02:15:38.060 --> 02:15:41.479
play Texas football. This is like the icon of

02:15:41.479 --> 02:15:44.399
Texas sports. And it's just the enthusiasm for

02:15:44.399 --> 02:15:47.319
the crowd is nuts. I got to shoot the cannon

02:15:47.319 --> 02:15:53.760
once. Seriously? What? It was pretty cool. It's

02:15:53.760 --> 02:15:56.359
fun. Being on the field and seeing these guys

02:15:56.359 --> 02:15:58.220
warm up and get ready and then watching the game.

02:15:58.279 --> 02:16:00.399
Nighttime games are the best. They're nuts, man.

02:16:00.640 --> 02:16:02.380
And then, of course, they do the jet flyover.

02:16:03.960 --> 02:16:07.039
Which is like, America! You're flying over fighter

02:16:07.039 --> 02:16:10.340
jets over a football game. Why? That doesn't

02:16:10.340 --> 02:16:12.579
happen anywhere else. They don't do that anywhere

02:16:12.579 --> 02:16:14.600
else. They never do that for a fight. Fly fighter

02:16:14.600 --> 02:16:16.720
jets over. That'd be cool, though. It would be.

02:16:17.260 --> 02:16:19.819
Maybe Dan will get it. Yeah. Maybe they could

02:16:19.819 --> 02:16:21.819
do it at the Sphere and have like the roof of

02:16:21.819 --> 02:16:24.720
the Sphere like show the jets as they pass over.

02:16:24.939 --> 02:16:27.180
Maybe they'll do it at the White House UFC. They

02:16:27.180 --> 02:16:29.220
probably will. I would imagine. Well, they're

02:16:29.220 --> 02:16:31.039
probably going to have air presence. I mean,

02:16:31.060 --> 02:16:33.340
how dangerous is that card going to be? Oh, my

02:16:33.340 --> 02:16:35.639
gosh. In terms of like if you wanted to have

02:16:35.639 --> 02:16:38.940
some sort of a disruptive event. That's the spot

02:16:38.940 --> 02:16:41.540
at the White House and you're having cage fights.

02:16:41.940 --> 02:16:43.700
And I'm not even convinced that it's going to

02:16:43.700 --> 02:16:46.379
happen because with all the crazy shit going

02:16:46.379 --> 02:16:48.139
on in the world, who knows what happens between

02:16:48.139 --> 02:16:51.139
now and June when this is supposed to pop off.

02:16:51.299 --> 02:16:55.000
Like who knows? Who knows what goes down? Who

02:16:55.000 --> 02:16:57.479
knows what fucking happens with all this Epstein

02:16:57.479 --> 02:17:00.139
file shit? It just keeps getting crazier and

02:17:00.139 --> 02:17:03.120
crazier and crazier and deeper and deeper. And

02:17:03.120 --> 02:17:07.440
so Ro Khanna and Massey just released the names

02:17:07.440 --> 02:17:10.600
of these guys that had been redacted from the

02:17:10.600 --> 02:17:14.180
list. And one of them is Lex Wexner. What is

02:17:14.180 --> 02:17:17.879
his last name? Les. Les Wexner, right? Who is

02:17:17.879 --> 02:17:22.639
the CEO of Victoria's Secrets. Is he the CEO

02:17:22.639 --> 02:17:27.239
or the owner? Former CEO. Former owner, CEO of

02:17:27.239 --> 02:17:30.040
Victoria's Secrets. He's being named as a co

02:17:30.040 --> 02:17:33.879
-conspirator now. Yes. Yeah. So he's being named

02:17:33.879 --> 02:17:36.979
along with Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein.

02:17:37.739 --> 02:17:41.940
Because he runs this modeling, Victoria's Secrets,

02:17:42.000 --> 02:17:44.559
Hot Girls, the whole deal. Somehow or another,

02:17:44.680 --> 02:17:46.940
he's involved in this. And they had redacted

02:17:46.940 --> 02:17:52.750
his name up until now. Well, two things. I don't

02:17:52.750 --> 02:17:56.829
think anybody, his existence as a co -conspirator

02:17:56.829 --> 02:18:00.069
is new information. But it's confirmed now, right?

02:18:00.459 --> 02:18:02.520
It was people I think are up in arms is that

02:18:02.520 --> 02:18:04.260
it wasn't supposed to be blocked out from the

02:18:04.260 --> 02:18:07.319
file. Exactly. He's not a victim. Right. He's

02:18:07.319 --> 02:18:09.440
not a victim. So why was his name redacted? And

02:18:09.440 --> 02:18:12.360
so they got it unredacted and now he's being

02:18:12.360 --> 02:18:15.159
named. I think he's the funder of most of it

02:18:15.159 --> 02:18:17.159
is what it seems like. Right. So people knew

02:18:17.159 --> 02:18:19.219
that there was something going on, but he had

02:18:19.219 --> 02:18:23.260
gifted Jeffrey Epstein this insane house in Manhattan.

02:18:24.270 --> 02:18:27.850
So this is like a $60 million house in Manhattan.

02:18:28.149 --> 02:18:30.530
You know the house where you go into it and you

02:18:30.530 --> 02:18:32.530
see Bill Clinton in a dress? You know that picture

02:18:32.530 --> 02:18:35.010
that we have out in the lobby? That's from the

02:18:35.010 --> 02:18:39.590
foyer of his house that Jeffrey Epstein was gifted

02:18:39.590 --> 02:18:45.649
by Les Wexner. By the way, Whitney Webb posted

02:18:45.649 --> 02:18:52.309
on her Twitter. about Les Wexner being a sex

02:18:52.309 --> 02:18:55.510
trafficker, a child sex trafficker, in 2020.

02:18:56.909 --> 02:19:01.090
See where you can find that. Like, that crazy

02:19:01.090 --> 02:19:04.229
chick is right about everything. The one the

02:19:04.229 --> 02:19:06.409
lady was kidnapped, or she was claimed she was

02:19:06.409 --> 02:19:08.350
kidnapped, it was in his house in New Albany,

02:19:08.370 --> 02:19:12.129
Columbus. She claimed she was being held there

02:19:12.129 --> 02:19:15.370
for, I don't know, two weeks or something, like

02:19:15.370 --> 02:19:18.059
doing art. She called her dad to try to get out

02:19:18.059 --> 02:19:20.200
of there or something like that. Oh, Jesus. Yeah.

02:19:20.340 --> 02:19:23.100
His involvement is in brand new information.

02:19:23.440 --> 02:19:25.520
This was in Columbus, Ohio? Well, New Albany

02:19:25.520 --> 02:19:27.780
is where all the, that's where his house is.

02:19:27.899 --> 02:19:30.100
The giant, the biggest house in Ohio, I think.

02:19:30.180 --> 02:19:32.879
It's a suburb of Columbus. It'd be like Westlake

02:19:32.879 --> 02:19:38.159
to Austin. Right, right, right. People think

02:19:38.159 --> 02:19:39.420
he's still there. That's where Epstein's living,

02:19:39.520 --> 02:19:41.799
but that's not accurate. Well, the people that

02:19:41.799 --> 02:19:43.420
think he's alive, I think they think he's in

02:19:43.420 --> 02:19:47.659
Israel. Don't they? I think they're AI photos.

02:19:47.819 --> 02:19:50.420
They might not be. Oh, I saw that. Yeah. People

02:19:50.420 --> 02:19:52.280
think he's been seen or spotted around town.

02:19:53.180 --> 02:19:55.700
Wouldn't you think he'd get some surgery? You

02:19:55.700 --> 02:19:58.079
would think that he would have to. Yeah. He's

02:19:58.079 --> 02:20:00.180
probably one of the most recognizable faces in

02:20:00.180 --> 02:20:02.700
the world at this point. Yeah. After so much

02:20:02.700 --> 02:20:05.680
airtime. You'd have to get some surgery if you

02:20:05.680 --> 02:20:08.239
wanted to still. I mean, how would you keep that?

02:20:08.340 --> 02:20:12.260
This is the tweet. Your reminder that Leslie

02:20:12.260 --> 02:20:15.219
Wexner financed the mass rape and trafficking

02:20:15.219 --> 02:20:17.979
of thousands of American children for over a

02:20:17.979 --> 02:20:21.819
decade. And right now he is sitting in a 26K

02:20:21.819 --> 02:20:25.440
square foot mansion in New Albany, Ohio, thinking

02:20:25.440 --> 02:20:28.620
that he is above the law. She tweeted this in

02:20:28.620 --> 02:20:33.479
April 28 of 2020. How crazy is that? Holy shit.

02:20:34.340 --> 02:20:39.549
She's like. The most prolific of all the conspiracy

02:20:39.549 --> 02:20:43.450
theories, the most well -read, the one with the

02:20:43.450 --> 02:20:45.750
most recall, the one that's the most quoted.

02:20:45.909 --> 02:20:48.389
I don't know how she's so good at it. We're trying

02:20:48.389 --> 02:20:51.409
to get her on. I don't know how she's so good

02:20:51.409 --> 02:20:54.649
and what her background is, how she finds all

02:20:54.649 --> 02:20:57.229
this information. But she's always way ahead

02:20:57.229 --> 02:21:00.549
of all this stuff. Yeah, I mean, 2020. That's

02:21:00.549 --> 02:21:02.649
crazy. That's fucking way ahead of everybody.

02:21:02.850 --> 02:21:09.239
Crazy. Bro, but these files, just what's come

02:21:09.239 --> 02:21:12.780
out so far and the fact that they redacted men,

02:21:13.079 --> 02:21:17.620
these like powerful billionaire guys, their names

02:21:17.620 --> 02:21:20.100
were redacted. Like there's one of them where

02:21:20.100 --> 02:21:25.479
he's talking about pandemic planning. What? Where

02:21:25.479 --> 02:21:27.799
Jeffrey Epstein is talking about pandemic planning

02:21:27.799 --> 02:21:32.059
to someone named Bill whose name is redacted.

02:21:32.809 --> 02:21:35.350
It's like, why are you redacting the guy's name

02:21:35.350 --> 02:21:38.989
that you're talking about planning for a pandemic,

02:21:39.190 --> 02:21:42.770
like what to do in response to a pandemic? Why

02:21:42.770 --> 02:21:47.209
is his name retracted? Or redacted, rather. When

02:21:47.209 --> 02:21:50.129
are they supposed to testify? When are the Clintons

02:21:50.129 --> 02:21:51.709
supposed to testify? Would you say they're going

02:21:51.709 --> 02:21:54.559
to? Two weeks? Yeah, I think it's the last two

02:21:54.559 --> 02:21:55.899
days. Did you say the aliens are coming in the

02:21:55.899 --> 02:22:00.239
next two weeks? They're going to land? Something's

02:22:00.239 --> 02:22:02.559
going to happen? Just before that testifying.

02:22:02.559 --> 02:22:06.200
Yeah, it'll be we bomb Iran, aliens show up,

02:22:06.200 --> 02:22:11.360
maybe at the same time. Yeah. Fuck, man. Outside

02:22:11.360 --> 02:22:14.100
of this, because, I mean, obviously this conspiracy,

02:22:14.280 --> 02:22:16.120
it's not a theory anymore, right? Because they're

02:22:16.120 --> 02:22:19.799
connecting the networks. They're, like, exposing

02:22:19.799 --> 02:22:23.010
a lot of this. Like when you look at your total

02:22:23.010 --> 02:22:25.969
conspiracy catalog of things that you like to

02:22:25.969 --> 02:22:28.389
dive into, outside of aliens, because everybody

02:22:28.389 --> 02:22:29.750
knows that, what are your other ones that you

02:22:29.750 --> 02:22:31.969
like? Well, aliens is the most fun one. Yeah.

02:22:32.030 --> 02:22:34.469
This is the one that I hate the most. Yeah. Because

02:22:34.469 --> 02:22:36.569
this one scares the shit out of me. Because the

02:22:36.569 --> 02:22:38.770
fear of, you know, we talked about this yesterday

02:22:38.770 --> 02:22:42.350
with Roger Avery, the fear of these like literally

02:22:42.350 --> 02:22:45.649
demonic human beings that are running the world

02:22:45.649 --> 02:22:49.480
and don't give a fuck about human lives. Enjoy

02:22:49.480 --> 02:22:52.319
watching people being tortured. Enjoy watching

02:22:52.319 --> 02:22:56.000
people killed, participating in ritual sacrifice

02:22:56.000 --> 02:22:58.840
of people. And they do it in order to show that

02:22:58.840 --> 02:23:02.420
you're a part of a team. We know that that has

02:23:02.420 --> 02:23:05.299
always historically been a real thing. And it's

02:23:05.299 --> 02:23:07.399
been something that you look at in history, you

02:23:07.399 --> 02:23:10.319
go, God, it's so sick. It's so twisted. It's

02:23:10.319 --> 02:23:12.420
so disgusting. And everybody wants to think,

02:23:12.440 --> 02:23:14.659
thank God that's not happening now. But then

02:23:14.659 --> 02:23:16.899
when you realize, like, that might have been

02:23:16.899 --> 02:23:19.940
happening now. Here's one of the craziest ones.

02:23:20.340 --> 02:23:26.459
The day he was indicted in 2018, the very next

02:23:26.459 --> 02:23:32.819
day, he ordered 330 gallons of sulfuric acid.

02:23:34.299 --> 02:23:40.579
What? Yes. He ordered six 55 -gallon drums of

02:23:40.579 --> 02:23:43.459
sulfuric acid to be delivered to the island.

02:23:44.369 --> 02:23:46.030
And so there was a lot of people online saying,

02:23:46.149 --> 02:23:48.709
oh, that was probably for his desalination plant.

02:23:48.930 --> 02:23:50.469
It's probably a regular thing they need to order.

02:23:50.590 --> 02:23:52.409
So then someone else did a deep dive and said,

02:23:52.469 --> 02:23:55.049
no, this is the first time this was ever ordered.

02:23:55.069 --> 02:23:56.469
I checked that again. I saw there was two other

02:23:56.469 --> 02:23:58.049
ones. Oh, there was two other orders? Yeah, 2017

02:23:58.049 --> 02:24:00.190
and 2015. Oh, so that guy was wrong. It could

02:24:00.190 --> 02:24:02.250
have been the first one from that company potentially.

02:24:02.530 --> 02:24:08.010
Ah, that makes sense. So maybe it was for this

02:24:08.010 --> 02:24:13.260
desalination equipment, but also. That's a lot

02:24:13.260 --> 02:24:16.520
of sulfuric acid. You know, if I needed five

02:24:16.520 --> 02:24:20.780
gallons for my desalination equipment, but 239

02:24:20.780 --> 02:24:24.799
gallons or whatever it is to burn kids. Yeah.

02:24:25.379 --> 02:24:29.780
To fucking get rid of bodies. Well, it's kind

02:24:29.780 --> 02:24:33.159
of hard to think of any other use for acid just

02:24:33.159 --> 02:24:36.979
in general. Immediately. Immediately. Yeah. The

02:24:36.979 --> 02:24:40.219
other orders, were they that large? Let me check.

02:24:40.620 --> 02:24:42.440
Because here's the other thing. How long has

02:24:42.440 --> 02:24:44.180
he been killing people? How long have they been

02:24:44.180 --> 02:24:46.559
boiling bodies to get rid of them? I mean, if

02:24:46.559 --> 02:24:52.700
you do have, for lack of better words, let's

02:24:52.700 --> 02:24:56.500
call it a service, where you allow rich people

02:24:56.500 --> 02:24:59.340
from foreign governments or whatever, you set

02:24:59.340 --> 02:25:01.819
it up, I can give you whatever you want. Like,

02:25:01.879 --> 02:25:03.780
what I want to do is I want to kill a hooker.

02:25:03.959 --> 02:25:06.059
Like, I want to kill her, I want to torture her,

02:25:06.079 --> 02:25:09.299
and I want to, you know, get rid of the body.

02:25:09.680 --> 02:25:11.340
I don't want to do that. Like, can you do that?

02:25:11.440 --> 02:25:14.239
There was one where this one guy is saying to

02:25:14.239 --> 02:25:18.860
him, thank you for the torture video. It's literally

02:25:18.860 --> 02:25:23.000
a part of an email. The actual quote, thank you

02:25:23.000 --> 02:25:25.620
for the torture. Like, enjoyed the torture video.

02:25:26.579 --> 02:25:29.739
It's so gross. And they think they've identified

02:25:29.739 --> 02:25:34.040
that guy. And what do they think? He's a sultan?

02:25:34.319 --> 02:25:36.139
I was trying to find that right now. I think

02:25:36.139 --> 02:25:39.319
because Massey said he got the. He looked that

02:25:39.319 --> 02:25:41.379
one up, I believe, because they're letting them

02:25:41.379 --> 02:25:44.659
into the files one by one for like an hour at

02:25:44.659 --> 02:25:48.059
a time. What? Yeah, bro. The Congress people

02:25:48.059 --> 02:25:50.120
can go look at specific. There's millions of

02:25:50.120 --> 02:25:51.239
files. You got to tell them which file you want

02:25:51.239 --> 02:25:54.219
specifically to look at. It's crazy. The whole

02:25:54.219 --> 02:25:57.799
thing is crazy because, like, why have you protected

02:25:57.799 --> 02:26:02.559
people? So we know Sultan Ahmed bin Suleiman

02:26:02.559 --> 02:26:07.850
sent the torture video to Epstein. This is in

02:26:07.850 --> 02:26:14.049
2009. So, Epstein was saying that. Where are

02:26:14.049 --> 02:26:17.690
you? Are you okay? I love the torture video.

02:26:18.149 --> 02:26:22.250
I am in China. I'll be in the U .S. second week

02:26:22.250 --> 02:26:25.469
of May. What the fuck, man? And why is his name

02:26:25.469 --> 02:26:28.750
redacted? Why would your name be redacted if

02:26:28.750 --> 02:26:31.370
you're not a victim? Like, this is what's crazy

02:26:31.370 --> 02:26:34.129
about all this. Like, how come you redact some

02:26:34.129 --> 02:26:37.389
people and you don't redact other people? Look,

02:26:37.430 --> 02:26:39.670
what is this? This is not good. None of this

02:26:39.670 --> 02:26:42.090
is good for this administration. It looks fucking

02:26:42.090 --> 02:26:45.809
terrible. It looks terrible. It looks terrible

02:26:45.809 --> 02:26:48.549
for Trump when he was saying that none of this

02:26:48.549 --> 02:26:51.469
was real. This is all a hoax. This is not a hoax.

02:26:51.889 --> 02:26:54.350
Did you not know? Maybe he didn't know if you

02:26:54.350 --> 02:26:56.030
want to be charitable. But this is definitely

02:26:56.030 --> 02:26:58.850
not a hoax. And if you've got redacted people's

02:26:58.850 --> 02:27:01.129
names and these people aren't victims, you're

02:27:01.129 --> 02:27:03.010
not protecting the victim. So what are you doing?

02:27:03.129 --> 02:27:05.889
Right. And how come all this shit is not released?

02:27:06.510 --> 02:27:08.909
You would think that all of it would just get

02:27:08.909 --> 02:27:12.209
rid of all of it, just expel it all. It's crazy.

02:27:12.389 --> 02:27:14.489
So this is the conspiracy that drives me the

02:27:14.489 --> 02:27:17.850
most crazy because I don't like it. I saw Julian

02:27:17.850 --> 02:27:19.889
Dory talk about this yesterday on his podcast.

02:27:20.110 --> 02:27:23.510
I just saw a clip going around. American billionaire

02:27:23.510 --> 02:27:27.750
Tom Pritzker had an email to him that says— You

02:27:27.750 --> 02:27:29.610
mean Julian Dorsey? Dorsey, yeah. Sorry, sorry.

02:27:29.729 --> 02:27:33.510
Oh, okay. I'm in a remote valley of Afghanistan.

02:27:33.649 --> 02:27:37.590
It's my birthday wish with boys with toys. Spent

02:27:37.590 --> 02:27:40.590
time with Petraeus yesterday, and he loaned me

02:27:40.590 --> 02:27:44.129
a chopper. Actually, two with one as a backup.

02:27:44.870 --> 02:27:48.909
Can't call till tomorrow. Yeah, but boys with

02:27:48.909 --> 02:27:51.690
toys could mean like military guys with weapons.

02:27:51.950 --> 02:27:54.250
That's what I assumed. That's not what the video

02:27:54.250 --> 02:27:55.549
asked. They thought they were talking about little

02:27:55.549 --> 02:27:58.610
boys because they were in Afghanistan. But the

02:27:58.610 --> 02:28:01.309
birthday wish is an interesting part. It's my

02:28:01.309 --> 02:28:04.309
birthday wish. In a remote valley. In a remote

02:28:04.309 --> 02:28:05.950
valley in Afghanistan. And he's telling Epstein

02:28:05.950 --> 02:28:09.229
about it. But it also, loan me a chopper. Well,

02:28:09.229 --> 02:28:11.829
actually, this is, yeah, this is to Epstein.

02:28:11.889 --> 02:28:14.590
Right. But the thing is, like, the loan me a

02:28:14.590 --> 02:28:17.459
chopper. My birthday wish? His birthday wish

02:28:17.459 --> 02:28:20.260
might have been to gun down villagers. I know.

02:28:20.319 --> 02:28:21.860
That's what I thought they were talking about,

02:28:21.879 --> 02:28:23.520
not go play with little kids. Yeah. I thought

02:28:23.520 --> 02:28:25.100
he just wanted to go kill people and they wouldn't

02:28:25.100 --> 02:28:27.680
do it. I mean, I bet that. Look, he loaned me

02:28:27.680 --> 02:28:29.920
a chopper. Doesn't sound like I came here to

02:28:29.920 --> 02:28:32.079
fuck kids. It's like my birthday wish sounds

02:28:32.079 --> 02:28:35.079
like I'm here to fuck people up. Right. Or I'm

02:28:35.079 --> 02:28:39.040
just out here to tour Afghanistan, which, I mean,

02:28:39.059 --> 02:28:40.739
I don't know why anybody would want to tour Afghanistan.

02:28:42.449 --> 02:28:44.989
The only reason why I would be interested in

02:28:44.989 --> 02:28:46.829
going to Afghanistan is the stuff that Jason

02:28:46.829 --> 02:28:49.069
Everman told me about. Like when he showed me

02:28:49.069 --> 02:28:52.190
all those ancient Greek ruins, which is nuts,

02:28:52.209 --> 02:28:54.309
where archaeologists have no access to them.

02:28:54.430 --> 02:28:57.389
Right. That stuff's crazy. No, it's incredible.

02:28:57.569 --> 02:29:01.049
All from Alexander the Great. Like there's immense

02:29:01.049 --> 02:29:06.370
ruins in Afghanistan of cities. They had Greek

02:29:06.370 --> 02:29:10.600
cities. Like, beautiful columns and incredible

02:29:10.600 --> 02:29:13.899
construction in Afghanistan that are, like, how

02:29:13.899 --> 02:29:16.319
old? When was Alexander the Great? When was that?

02:29:16.819 --> 02:29:21.180
The 1400s? What was that? 1000 plus, right? So,

02:29:21.260 --> 02:29:23.780
like, I mean. What year was it? What year was

02:29:23.780 --> 02:29:26.700
Alexander the Great? I believe it was actually,

02:29:26.799 --> 02:29:32.079
what, 300? I don't know. Jamie? 300 AD? 300 BC.

02:29:32.239 --> 02:29:36.649
300 BC. Wow. It was only 600 years off. Wow,

02:29:36.790 --> 02:29:40.569
I was way off. 300 BC, and they're building these

02:29:40.569 --> 02:29:46.469
immense, beautiful Roman cities, Greek Roman

02:29:46.469 --> 02:29:50.909
cities. It looks like you're either in Rome or

02:29:50.909 --> 02:29:53.149
you're in ancient Greece, like incredible architecture.

02:29:53.649 --> 02:29:57.750
Well, I think up until the Soviets invaded, I

02:29:57.750 --> 02:30:00.190
mean, Afghanistan was kind of like the crown

02:30:00.190 --> 02:30:03.209
jewel, right? They referred to it as the Beirut

02:30:03.209 --> 02:30:06.469
of Central Asia because it was... You had a very

02:30:06.469 --> 02:30:09.409
eclectic group of people, and Kabul was known

02:30:09.409 --> 02:30:12.969
as, like, this beautiful city. And obviously,

02:30:13.090 --> 02:30:15.889
post -occupation, the Soviets had killed, you

02:30:15.889 --> 02:30:18.030
know, hundreds of thousands of people. And then,

02:30:18.030 --> 02:30:20.229
you know, with the buildup and the devastation

02:30:20.229 --> 02:30:22.569
of not only military occupation of the Soviets

02:30:22.569 --> 02:30:25.209
and then us coming in, you know, soon after,

02:30:25.290 --> 02:30:29.629
obviously, with when the Mullahs took charge,

02:30:29.850 --> 02:30:32.799
it basically went. completely to the other side

02:30:32.799 --> 02:30:35.659
or the extreme of the Taliban and then us coming

02:30:35.659 --> 02:30:37.739
in. They've had nothing but decades of war. It's

02:30:37.739 --> 02:30:43.000
completely eviscerated any assemblance of intellectualism.

02:30:43.020 --> 02:30:47.319
There's no infrastructure of technology or advancement.

02:30:47.459 --> 02:30:49.399
The universities were essentially demolished.

02:30:49.559 --> 02:30:52.399
So everything was ruined. So you're talking about,

02:30:52.500 --> 02:30:58.440
I mean, at least several hundreds of years of...

02:30:59.649 --> 02:31:03.190
advancement that just were eliminated in three

02:31:03.190 --> 02:31:05.510
decades. And just a complete collapse of society.

02:31:05.930 --> 02:31:09.590
Yeah. I mean, you would, I would spend a lot

02:31:09.590 --> 02:31:13.569
of time just trying to understand the place,

02:31:14.010 --> 02:31:18.010
right? And you would have, you leave an airfield

02:31:18.010 --> 02:31:20.950
where we have the most advanced technology in

02:31:20.950 --> 02:31:23.530
the world, right? Like we're, you know, launching

02:31:23.530 --> 02:31:26.430
helicopters and jets and any and all pieces of

02:31:26.430 --> 02:31:30.920
technology you could imagine. you would drive

02:31:30.920 --> 02:31:35.260
into these valleys or from one place to another,

02:31:35.379 --> 02:31:39.979
and you would have horse -drawn carriages of

02:31:39.979 --> 02:31:43.639
two mules, and they're carrying something in

02:31:43.639 --> 02:31:45.879
the background. And it's like you have the same

02:31:45.879 --> 02:31:49.260
cars around the road with a Toyota Corolla, and

02:31:49.260 --> 02:31:52.659
you have a mule pulling an old Toyota Corolla

02:31:52.659 --> 02:31:55.219
or something, right? So you'd have an entire

02:31:55.219 --> 02:32:00.049
society of... like basically Amish, Amish level

02:32:00.049 --> 02:32:03.270
people. And then, you know, Americans right next

02:32:03.270 --> 02:32:05.530
door in an air base are launching the most advanced

02:32:05.530 --> 02:32:07.829
technology and war fighting tech capability in

02:32:07.829 --> 02:32:12.030
the world. And so you'd see everything from point

02:32:12.030 --> 02:32:15.469
A to point B, you would encounter huge percentage

02:32:15.469 --> 02:32:20.030
of the people are illiterate, like no schooling,

02:32:20.090 --> 02:32:24.409
no advancement for girls. You know, that children

02:32:24.409 --> 02:32:28.579
were Seen more as like a beast of burden and

02:32:28.579 --> 02:32:31.319
a lot of places they would they would actually

02:32:31.319 --> 02:32:33.979
value their sheep more than they would value

02:32:33.979 --> 02:32:37.620
their children so they would be looking for reparations

02:32:37.620 --> 02:32:41.600
or or You know to get paid for quite possibly

02:32:41.600 --> 02:32:44.219
the sheep that you destroyed on target, but their

02:32:44.219 --> 02:32:50.579
kids not not really so you had a really Clear

02:32:50.579 --> 02:32:55.790
picture to what civilization was like 500 years

02:32:55.790 --> 02:32:58.909
before that or a thousand years at certain times

02:32:58.909 --> 02:33:00.889
and you'd see it too right because you'd have

02:33:00.889 --> 02:33:04.489
buddhist architecture greek architecture and

02:33:04.489 --> 02:33:09.409
then you'd have the the standard kind of taliban

02:33:09.409 --> 02:33:12.809
infrastructure you'd have the soviet architecture

02:33:12.809 --> 02:33:15.069
from their invasion you'd have all these different

02:33:15.069 --> 02:33:17.690
layers of military occupation you could see them

02:33:17.690 --> 02:33:22.649
all within two weeks wow you i was up in uh this

02:33:22.649 --> 02:33:26.569
place called the pangier And the lion of the

02:33:26.569 --> 02:33:30.350
Panjshir was this General Massoud. And he was

02:33:30.350 --> 02:33:33.870
killed actually on September 10th before September

02:33:33.870 --> 02:33:36.649
11th. So he's part of the actual September 11th

02:33:36.649 --> 02:33:39.309
plot. He was killed by a suicide bomber as they

02:33:39.309 --> 02:33:42.629
were trying to do a documentary. And they brought

02:33:42.629 --> 02:33:44.770
in a camera packed full of explosives and killed

02:33:44.770 --> 02:33:48.629
him the day before, which ultimately was part

02:33:48.629 --> 02:33:52.540
of the September 11th attacks. because they knew

02:33:52.540 --> 02:33:57.280
that Massoud was the connection to the U .S.

02:33:57.459 --> 02:34:00.180
invasion or the U .S. invasion would be involving

02:34:00.180 --> 02:34:04.139
Massoud. And the Panjshir is this beautiful,

02:34:04.379 --> 02:34:07.860
like it's incredible river valley. And it's also

02:34:07.860 --> 02:34:10.280
part of where the Soviets would just get their

02:34:10.280 --> 02:34:13.260
asses handed to them because we had the Majadine

02:34:13.260 --> 02:34:17.360
was being funded by the CIA at the time, obviously

02:34:17.360 --> 02:34:21.250
back during the Soviet invasion. And they would

02:34:21.250 --> 02:34:24.309
ambush the Soviets on these windy mountain roads

02:34:24.309 --> 02:34:26.389
next to this river. And they would cut them off

02:34:26.389 --> 02:34:28.889
basically on the front and the back of the convoy

02:34:28.889 --> 02:34:30.770
and then destroy the entire convoy in between.

02:34:30.809 --> 02:34:33.629
And they would just shove all the shit that was

02:34:33.629 --> 02:34:37.629
destroyed in the river. So the river would have

02:34:37.629 --> 02:34:40.370
rapids in it. And not all the rapids were made

02:34:40.370 --> 02:34:42.739
from like rocks and natural. you know natural

02:34:42.739 --> 02:34:46.659
occurring rapids they were made by like t -52s

02:34:46.659 --> 02:34:49.319
and russian tanks and all this like this war

02:34:49.319 --> 02:34:53.760
material that was pushed into the river by the

02:34:53.760 --> 02:34:59.379
panjuris and i went up to his his grave and he's

02:34:59.379 --> 02:35:02.180
a really incredible guy when you like read about

02:35:02.180 --> 02:35:04.520
him and like all of his like combat accomplishments

02:35:04.520 --> 02:35:07.940
against the soviets um but the panjur valley

02:35:07.940 --> 02:35:11.520
is like such a beautiful place and we used to

02:35:11.850 --> 02:35:13.870
joke around about how gosh we'd love to come

02:35:13.870 --> 02:35:16.329
back here and like go skiing or like recreate

02:35:16.329 --> 02:35:19.010
in panjshir valley because it looks like colorado

02:35:19.010 --> 02:35:22.450
or someplace incredible and beautiful and at

02:35:22.450 --> 02:35:24.930
the same time you're in afghanistan so you're

02:35:24.930 --> 02:35:28.750
surrounded by just the chaos and the devastation

02:35:28.750 --> 02:35:32.090
of war with this one tiny little piece this like

02:35:32.090 --> 02:35:34.649
little sliver in the middle of nowhere that's

02:35:34.649 --> 02:35:36.430
absolutely beautiful and some of the rapids are

02:35:36.430 --> 02:35:41.829
made by t -52s And as a whitewater guy, I was

02:35:41.829 --> 02:35:43.750
like, man, I'd like to kayak this. It'd be cool.

02:35:44.530 --> 02:35:47.729
If you were a person who's a wealthy person that

02:35:47.729 --> 02:35:51.010
your desire was to go gun people down, like there

02:35:51.010 --> 02:35:53.090
are people that will provide you with that service.

02:35:53.350 --> 02:35:56.510
Like there was a thing with the Soviets, or not

02:35:56.510 --> 02:35:58.629
the Soviets, with the Russians, where they're

02:35:58.629 --> 02:36:02.049
allowing people to kill pirates. Yeah. Like,

02:36:02.049 --> 02:36:03.950
you would pay a bunch of money, and they'd take

02:36:03.950 --> 02:36:06.090
you to where the pirates are, and you'd go out

02:36:06.090 --> 02:36:08.870
on a ship with a .50 cal, just fucking blow up

02:36:08.870 --> 02:36:11.850
pirate boats. Yeah, I'd heard about that. I'd

02:36:11.850 --> 02:36:13.309
heard about there were places that you could

02:36:13.309 --> 02:36:17.989
go as a combat tourist, basically. Has to be.

02:36:18.270 --> 02:36:20.170
Yeah. There has to be places. It's all going

02:36:20.170 --> 02:36:24.090
to be like Russian or Somalian or a connection

02:36:24.090 --> 02:36:26.129
between the two. Right. So you'd have these like

02:36:26.129 --> 02:36:29.350
rogue elements and places where there is an organized

02:36:29.350 --> 02:36:31.430
government. There's essentially just chaos and

02:36:31.430 --> 02:36:34.250
anarchy. Which is Afghanistan. Correct. Yeah.

02:36:34.389 --> 02:36:38.229
Yeah. Someone from the Western side was providing

02:36:38.229 --> 02:36:41.110
that service to someone and letting them borrow

02:36:41.110 --> 02:36:43.879
a chopper. Well, that was Petraeus. So they were

02:36:43.879 --> 02:36:46.399
saying Petraeus was the commanding general at

02:36:46.399 --> 02:36:50.040
the time, which I would find it's kind of hard

02:36:50.040 --> 02:36:52.540
to believe. Hard to believe. Yeah, that a general

02:36:52.540 --> 02:36:55.260
that's in charge of combat operations in Afghanistan

02:36:55.260 --> 02:36:58.100
wouldn't loan just a rich guy a helicopter. And

02:36:58.100 --> 02:37:02.219
it sounds correct in the context of we owe plus

02:37:02.219 --> 02:37:04.020
another one because they could never fly anywhere

02:37:04.020 --> 02:37:06.200
alone. They always had to fly in twos because

02:37:06.200 --> 02:37:08.159
they had to have a support. But just loan me

02:37:08.159 --> 02:37:12.700
a chopper. Loan me a chopper. What? So it's a

02:37:12.700 --> 02:37:18.860
stretch. As much as I disagree with the way that

02:37:18.860 --> 02:37:20.899
they were running the war, it'd be hard for me

02:37:20.899 --> 02:37:23.500
to believe that a general would just loan some

02:37:23.500 --> 02:37:25.360
rich guy a couple of helicopters to fly around

02:37:25.360 --> 02:37:28.700
Afghanistan. Is he lying? I don't know. He'd

02:37:28.700 --> 02:37:31.680
have to dive into it and figure it out. But either

02:37:31.680 --> 02:37:34.579
way, there's nothing normal about these emails.

02:37:34.840 --> 02:37:37.319
No. There's nothing normal. Nothing normal. One

02:37:37.319 --> 02:37:39.139
thing to take into consideration is how much

02:37:39.139 --> 02:37:42.100
of these emails are actually factual. Like accusations

02:37:42.100 --> 02:37:44.200
that they're putting on other people. You got

02:37:44.200 --> 02:37:46.020
to take that with a grain of salt. This guy wasn't,

02:37:46.020 --> 02:37:50.610
he was all about like influence peddling. And

02:37:50.610 --> 02:37:53.389
probably he had enemies and he probably would

02:37:53.389 --> 02:37:56.569
probably destroy his enemies with rumors and

02:37:56.569 --> 02:37:59.569
making up false stories. Like the Bill Gates

02:37:59.569 --> 02:38:03.649
one with asking me for antibiotics to slip into

02:38:03.649 --> 02:38:07.030
his wife because he got STD from a Russian hooker.

02:38:07.049 --> 02:38:11.790
I'm like, that seems too. Too on the head. You

02:38:11.790 --> 02:38:13.030
know what I mean? Like why wouldn't he go to

02:38:13.030 --> 02:38:15.110
his fucking personal doctor? Why is he going

02:38:15.110 --> 02:38:18.110
to Jeffrey Epstein for antibiotics in New York

02:38:18.110 --> 02:38:20.590
when he lives in Seattle? Don't you think he

02:38:20.590 --> 02:38:22.889
has like a concierge medicine set up up there?

02:38:22.889 --> 02:38:26.010
You would think. With a guy. And why would he

02:38:26.010 --> 02:38:29.469
say, hey, Melinda, I gave her STDs? You wouldn't.

02:38:29.469 --> 02:38:32.270
You'd say, hey, get me some stuff. Oh, I lost

02:38:32.270 --> 02:38:33.790
my prescription. Can you give me another one?

02:38:34.190 --> 02:38:36.649
Yeah. It fell out of my car. Give me another

02:38:36.649 --> 02:38:38.629
one. Give me another one. And then fucking crush

02:38:38.629 --> 02:38:40.430
it up in her smoothie. Like, if you're going

02:38:40.430 --> 02:38:42.889
to do that, you would do it. He's not a dummy.

02:38:43.069 --> 02:38:44.909
He's Bill Gates, right? You would do it in a

02:38:44.909 --> 02:38:47.809
more discreet way than contact a international

02:38:47.809 --> 02:38:51.110
sex trafficker who's a part of, like, some intelligence

02:38:51.110 --> 02:38:53.530
operation. You would think. You would think.

02:38:53.590 --> 02:38:57.700
Right. But the skeptic in me tends to kind of

02:38:57.700 --> 02:39:01.360
like look at it under a magnifying glass. Yeah.

02:39:01.479 --> 02:39:03.260
I don't want to take everything at face value,

02:39:03.379 --> 02:39:07.159
but also at the accumulation of all of these

02:39:07.159 --> 02:39:09.540
different things leads you to just go, what the

02:39:09.540 --> 02:39:12.100
fuck was going on? Did you find out how many

02:39:12.100 --> 02:39:15.440
other the sulfuric acid orders, if the other

02:39:15.440 --> 02:39:18.799
ones were just as large? I was trying to, I struggled

02:39:18.799 --> 02:39:20.500
to even find that. I was like, maybe I made this

02:39:20.500 --> 02:39:23.190
up, but I did find one. There was different,

02:39:23.290 --> 02:39:25.090
so they were talking about, there's emails back

02:39:25.090 --> 02:39:30.510
to 2012 or 14 about, I don't have the thing up.

02:39:30.569 --> 02:39:32.170
This is the thing saying that there's nothing

02:39:32.170 --> 02:39:35.770
there. The sulfuric acid? Yeah. Emails, recent

02:39:35.770 --> 02:39:37.290
documents, how do they know there's nothing there?

02:39:37.309 --> 02:39:40.930
Water maintenance systems dating back to 2000.

02:39:41.900 --> 02:39:44.379
Implying possible routine use of sulfuric acid.

02:39:44.379 --> 02:39:47.860
Possible is a weird word. Use of sulfuric acid

02:39:47.860 --> 02:39:50.540
for pH adjustment and filtration, but no specific

02:39:50.540 --> 02:39:54.040
prior invoices or shipments are detailed. Yeah,

02:39:54.059 --> 02:39:56.079
that's exactly. It wasn't an invoice. There was

02:39:56.079 --> 02:39:58.340
one they were talking about getting one drum

02:39:58.340 --> 02:40:02.500
of sulfuric acid with 40 bags of, like, carbonate

02:40:02.500 --> 02:40:04.620
salt or something. Yeah, see, that makes more

02:40:04.620 --> 02:40:09.540
sense than six fucking giant 55 -gallon drums.

02:40:10.770 --> 02:40:14.049
Of sulfuric acid the day after you get indicted.

02:40:14.149 --> 02:40:16.790
When you dig into the actual Files website, I

02:40:16.790 --> 02:40:18.469
started looking up the RO plant, which is the

02:40:18.469 --> 02:40:20.870
reverse osmosis system they had there. There's

02:40:20.870 --> 02:40:22.870
a ton of discussions about it going all the way

02:40:22.870 --> 02:40:24.530
back to 2012 when I think is when he bought it.

02:40:24.850 --> 02:40:27.329
Of using sulfuric acid? No, just having a reverse

02:40:27.329 --> 02:40:30.170
osmosis. Water there must have been a problem

02:40:30.170 --> 02:40:32.510
is what it sounded like. Well, it makes sense

02:40:32.510 --> 02:40:34.729
because they were using desalination technology.

02:40:35.350 --> 02:40:39.850
But it's just the volume. is suspicious in the

02:40:39.850 --> 02:40:43.790
time. Also, dude had to know he was going down.

02:40:44.430 --> 02:40:47.809
Like when he gets arrested in 2019, in 18 rather,

02:40:47.889 --> 02:40:49.569
when he gets indicted, he had to know he was

02:40:49.569 --> 02:40:52.049
going down. And if you know you're going down

02:40:52.049 --> 02:40:54.329
and you're trying to mount some sort of a defense,

02:40:54.549 --> 02:40:55.989
one of the first things you would have to do

02:40:55.989 --> 02:40:57.709
is get rid of bodies. You have to get rid of

02:40:57.709 --> 02:40:59.389
everything. Right. If you've got a bunch of people

02:40:59.389 --> 02:41:02.209
on the island that they could swoop in at any

02:41:02.209 --> 02:41:05.590
point in time and pull out of there and then

02:41:05.590 --> 02:41:08.649
you're fucked. Like if he had underage kids on

02:41:08.649 --> 02:41:12.420
the island, whatever he had on the island. That's

02:41:12.420 --> 02:41:16.420
so dark. This picture I know came from... There

02:41:16.420 --> 02:41:19.200
was rumors of him getting concrete machines shipped

02:41:19.200 --> 02:41:21.020
there, but that was from the first time he got

02:41:21.020 --> 02:41:23.360
arrested. So I think in 2008, the first time

02:41:23.360 --> 02:41:24.719
he got arrested, they had a bunch of machines

02:41:24.719 --> 02:41:27.079
shipped. Oh, this isn't showing at all. Oh, bro.

02:41:27.780 --> 02:41:30.399
But I don't know how you do construction on the

02:41:30.399 --> 02:41:31.920
island without getting concrete machines shipped.

02:41:31.940 --> 02:41:33.379
I don't know how you get rid of bodies and just

02:41:33.379 --> 02:41:36.719
put them inside of concrete. That's the problem.

02:41:37.360 --> 02:41:39.909
Well, I mean... Maybe it's two and the same.

02:41:40.030 --> 02:41:42.670
It's like, hey, I go to an island, and I've got

02:41:42.670 --> 02:41:46.090
to make all the infrastructure, so I need a bunch

02:41:46.090 --> 02:41:48.670
of concrete. I need RO, so I've got to have sulfuric

02:41:48.670 --> 02:41:50.870
acid. What's better for a cover -up? There's

02:41:50.870 --> 02:41:53.629
the picture of the machines on the island, and

02:41:53.629 --> 02:41:56.350
here's the description of it. Right before his

02:41:56.350 --> 02:42:00.170
2019 arrest, industrial car mix 5 .5 XL self

02:42:00.170 --> 02:42:02.649
-loading concrete mixer. So he got a concrete

02:42:02.649 --> 02:42:06.229
mixer, and he got... the fucking sulfuric acid

02:42:06.229 --> 02:42:08.950
right after his arrest? I mean, if these details

02:42:08.950 --> 02:42:12.030
are correct. Oh, God. This is just a guy on Twitter,

02:42:12.069 --> 02:42:14.670
though. So this is right before his arrest and

02:42:14.670 --> 02:42:17.590
right after his arrest. He got sulfuric acid

02:42:17.590 --> 02:42:20.229
and a concrete mixer. Like, why would you be

02:42:20.229 --> 02:42:22.350
thinking that you are going to be able to do

02:42:22.350 --> 02:42:23.889
construction when you're going to go to jail

02:42:23.889 --> 02:42:25.870
for the rest of your fucking life? Yeah, I don't

02:42:25.870 --> 02:42:28.069
know if construction plans would be top of my

02:42:28.069 --> 02:42:31.290
list. Yeah. I've got to innovate. What a fucking

02:42:31.290 --> 02:42:33.809
weird... You know, I know I'm going to get arrested,

02:42:33.950 --> 02:42:35.569
but you know what? I got this big construction

02:42:35.569 --> 02:42:38.229
program that I'm really interested in. I don't

02:42:38.229 --> 02:42:39.969
know if that's the same. The whole thing's so

02:42:39.969 --> 02:42:42.649
dark, dude. It's so dark. It's so dark, and they

02:42:42.649 --> 02:42:45.069
ran it for a long time. They ran it for decades.

02:42:47.329 --> 02:42:48.870
They also had another island that no one talks

02:42:48.870 --> 02:42:50.690
about. Oh, Jesus. They had the big island. This

02:42:50.690 --> 02:42:52.049
was Little St. James. They had Great St. James,

02:42:52.149 --> 02:42:54.069
which is the one next door. He owned that one,

02:42:54.129 --> 02:42:56.149
too? Yeah, he owned both of them. What? Both

02:42:56.149 --> 02:42:57.450
of them were part of the sale we almost got.

02:42:58.569 --> 02:43:01.010
What? It was for sale for a while. I pitched

02:43:01.010 --> 02:43:03.510
the idea. Yeah, we thought about it. We thought

02:43:03.510 --> 02:43:05.049
about it. We just didn't think there was enough

02:43:05.049 --> 02:43:07.850
sage in the world. No, no. You can't clear that

02:43:07.850 --> 02:43:09.610
out. Cleanse that. No, you can't clear that out.

02:43:09.649 --> 02:43:11.309
Well, it's also you would never find peace because

02:43:11.309 --> 02:43:13.149
people would be visiting that island constantly.

02:43:13.409 --> 02:43:14.989
Oh, my gosh. It's so gross. There's a lot of

02:43:14.989 --> 02:43:17.809
bad karma. They just need to use that as like

02:43:17.809 --> 02:43:22.340
a... Maybe like a bombing island. Right. Just

02:43:22.340 --> 02:43:25.440
turn it into a UX, UI. Yeah. Like that one island

02:43:25.440 --> 02:43:27.319
in Hawaii that you can't go to because they just

02:43:27.319 --> 02:43:28.819
fucking light it up all the time. Just light

02:43:28.819 --> 02:43:31.840
it up all the time. Have a little bit of grace

02:43:31.840 --> 02:43:34.739
to the way that we actually end this whole story

02:43:34.739 --> 02:43:38.079
outside of the files. Just start blowing it up.

02:43:38.139 --> 02:43:41.180
It's fun. It's so dark. It's my least favorite

02:43:41.180 --> 02:43:43.520
of the conspiracies. It's not fun at all, man.

02:43:44.340 --> 02:43:48.600
It's like aliens. It's fun. It's interesting.

02:43:48.899 --> 02:43:51.399
You can go down the rabbit hole a million ways,

02:43:51.520 --> 02:43:54.100
and it gets dark only if you let it get dark,

02:43:54.200 --> 02:43:56.299
where, okay, they're going to occupy the planet,

02:43:56.440 --> 02:43:58.500
they're going to make us all slaves, or they're

02:43:58.500 --> 02:44:00.440
going to kill us all. Yeah, you can go there,

02:44:00.559 --> 02:44:02.260
but half the time, you're not going to go there.

02:44:02.420 --> 02:44:03.920
It's just an interesting thought experiment.

02:44:04.280 --> 02:44:06.899
There was a very interesting article, Jamie.

02:44:07.079 --> 02:44:11.920
I don't know if you saw it, but this guy, it's

02:44:11.920 --> 02:44:15.940
one of the other guys that's leaving an AI company.

02:44:16.379 --> 02:44:17.959
I saw it going around. I don't know if it's...

02:44:19.379 --> 02:44:25.520
And he's talking about how, what a big deal it

02:44:25.520 --> 02:44:28.559
is. I'll send it to you right here. He's talking

02:44:28.559 --> 02:44:31.989
about how I don't think. No one understands it.

02:44:32.069 --> 02:44:34.430
And this the way this is going to change people

02:44:34.430 --> 02:44:37.370
is he goes, this is very similar to the time

02:44:37.370 --> 02:44:40.229
where we were realizing like people were hearing

02:44:40.229 --> 02:44:43.090
stories about, oh, there's a virus in China.

02:44:43.170 --> 02:44:45.670
But no one knew exactly what was going to happen,

02:44:45.729 --> 02:44:48.069
how it's going to like literally change humanity,

02:44:48.209 --> 02:44:51.950
change history. He's like. This is the same sort

02:44:51.950 --> 02:44:54.389
of stories we're getting from these AI labs.

02:44:54.850 --> 02:44:58.350
He's like, he wrote this very long in detail.

02:44:58.389 --> 02:45:01.430
Something big is happening. And the article is

02:45:01.430 --> 02:45:07.870
written by this guy, Matt Schumer. And I recommend

02:45:07.870 --> 02:45:12.010
it highly if you want to really fucking get the

02:45:12.010 --> 02:45:15.190
shit scared out of you. It's terrifying. And

02:45:15.190 --> 02:45:17.850
he starts this comparison to people stockpiling

02:45:17.850 --> 02:45:19.670
toilet paper and stuff at the beginning of COVID.

02:45:20.090 --> 02:45:23.889
He's like, they don't really understand how big

02:45:23.889 --> 02:45:26.930
this is going to be and how this latest version

02:45:26.930 --> 02:45:31.510
of ChatGPT they're working on, ChatGPT 5, ChatGPT

02:45:31.510 --> 02:45:35.450
made it. So they had ChatGPT make a better version

02:45:35.450 --> 02:45:36.950
of itself. And they made this better version

02:45:36.950 --> 02:45:38.989
of itself. And this better version of itself.

02:45:39.850 --> 02:45:42.010
can think things out it doesn't just do what

02:45:42.010 --> 02:45:44.450
you ask it to do it thinks things out it calculates

02:45:44.450 --> 02:45:46.870
it makes apps like instantaneously that would

02:45:46.870 --> 02:45:49.110
take developers months and months cost millions

02:45:49.110 --> 02:45:53.100
of dollars does it in minutes And perfect. It

02:45:53.100 --> 02:45:55.500
goes through it. It runs it. It tests it. It

02:45:55.500 --> 02:45:57.879
makes sure it doesn't have any problems. It anticipates

02:45:57.879 --> 02:46:00.139
all the different uses for the app, all the different

02:46:00.139 --> 02:46:02.719
ways it can be done. It's going to be applied

02:46:02.719 --> 02:46:05.459
to law. There's all these guys that are working

02:46:05.459 --> 02:46:07.500
in coding that say, I don't really have a job

02:46:07.500 --> 02:46:10.620
anymore. I just basically show up and tell this

02:46:10.620 --> 02:46:13.600
AI program to do these things. And it keeps getting

02:46:13.600 --> 02:46:15.540
better and better. And it's like the leaps are

02:46:15.540 --> 02:46:18.899
enormous. The leaps in its capability and its

02:46:18.899 --> 02:46:21.909
intelligence level. It's like it's already smarter

02:46:21.909 --> 02:46:25.250
than people. What's going to be – I think it's

02:46:25.250 --> 02:46:27.010
going to be a white -collar apocalypse, right?

02:46:27.110 --> 02:46:30.149
Yes. So when you think about just attorneys.

02:46:30.569 --> 02:46:34.149
Yes. Okay. So if you have the ability to case

02:46:34.149 --> 02:46:37.850
reference any legal file. Ever. Instantaneously.

02:46:38.209 --> 02:46:42.729
Instantly. Yep. And form a case, why are you

02:46:42.729 --> 02:46:48.149
going to need paralegals and first -year attorneys?

02:46:48.270 --> 02:46:49.790
You're not going to need them. The people that

02:46:49.790 --> 02:46:53.860
aren't nervous. I think this is going to be the

02:46:53.860 --> 02:46:59.280
kind of astronomical change that has literally

02:46:59.280 --> 02:47:02.299
never taken place in civilization before. I don't

02:47:02.299 --> 02:47:03.940
think it's ever taken place at this level. I

02:47:03.940 --> 02:47:07.639
think it's the invention of the internet times

02:47:07.639 --> 02:47:11.000
a million. I think it's going to change everything.

02:47:11.200 --> 02:47:14.200
It's just like, how do we adjust? That's the

02:47:14.200 --> 02:47:17.940
real question. And how are our kids growing up

02:47:17.940 --> 02:47:20.940
today, like when they used to think about, professions

02:47:20.940 --> 02:47:23.379
and things that they would go into, they would

02:47:23.379 --> 02:47:26.840
have clear roads into, okay, these are professional

02:47:26.840 --> 02:47:29.540
work tracks that they can go out and find a job

02:47:29.540 --> 02:47:31.799
and whatever, accounting, legal, engineering.

02:47:32.100 --> 02:47:34.180
But it's going to change the entire professional

02:47:34.180 --> 02:47:38.000
landscape for every generation from this point

02:47:38.000 --> 02:47:40.899
forward, basically entering the workforce. Because

02:47:40.899 --> 02:47:43.459
what is the workforce? Elon just said that it's

02:47:43.459 --> 02:47:45.870
a waste of time to go to medical school. Really

02:47:45.870 --> 02:47:48.850
he's like optimist robots these robots that he's

02:47:48.850 --> 02:47:51.969
making are going to be able to perform Better

02:47:51.969 --> 02:47:55.290
than any doctor at any hospital and they're gonna

02:47:55.290 --> 02:47:59.729
be able to do it in your house Certainly gonna

02:47:59.729 --> 02:48:02.770
be better surgeons than any surgeon alive these

02:48:02.770 --> 02:48:05.049
robots that they're making and they're gonna

02:48:05.049 --> 02:48:08.430
be powered by AI You're gonna have a super genius

02:48:08.430 --> 02:48:12.629
Robot in your house that can do your taxes that

02:48:12.629 --> 02:48:16.459
can fucking do chores that can perform surgery

02:48:16.459 --> 02:48:20.780
on you so it's going to be an entire rise of

02:48:20.780 --> 02:48:22.899
an economy that's going to be human built versus

02:48:22.899 --> 02:48:26.399
AI built right so I mean there has to be like

02:48:26.399 --> 02:48:30.799
if you have a label organic or it will be essentially

02:48:30.799 --> 02:48:32.920
I think the same type of thing where it's like

02:48:32.920 --> 02:48:36.760
human made versus AI made it would almost have

02:48:36.760 --> 02:48:39.399
to bifurcate the economy into two different sections

02:48:39.399 --> 02:48:42.760
it's going to get weird as fuck and I don't think

02:48:42.760 --> 02:48:45.690
people really understand and I feel like I'm

02:48:45.690 --> 02:48:48.450
just sitting here waiting to see what. But I

02:48:48.450 --> 02:48:50.969
know that most people that you run into on the

02:48:50.969 --> 02:48:53.510
street are completely ignorant. They think, oh,

02:48:53.569 --> 02:48:55.629
ChatGPT is fun. I ask you questions. It's so

02:48:55.629 --> 02:48:58.969
much better than Google. Do you think that that's

02:48:58.969 --> 02:49:01.229
because they don't want to recognize it and look

02:49:01.229 --> 02:49:03.750
at it? I don't think they know. I think unless

02:49:03.750 --> 02:49:05.569
you're going on a deep dive, all this stuff is

02:49:05.569 --> 02:49:07.510
kind of esoteric. All this stuff is happening.

02:49:07.770 --> 02:49:10.850
You have to search it out and get an understanding

02:49:10.850 --> 02:49:15.829
of it. If you use an AI, Program to enhance your

02:49:15.829 --> 02:49:18.670
life like perplexity. It's really good. I mean

02:49:18.670 --> 02:49:22.969
perplexity is awesome for like solving Problems

02:49:22.969 --> 02:49:25.290
you could ask a question. I use it all the time

02:49:25.290 --> 02:49:28.370
when I write I set it up and I talk to it So

02:49:28.370 --> 02:49:30.930
I you know, I say, you know, what year did Cortez

02:49:30.930 --> 02:49:33.709
invade Mexico? What is it? How did this happen?

02:49:33.969 --> 02:49:36.129
How many guns did they have? What did you know?

02:49:36.190 --> 02:49:38.610
What was how many languages are lost in Mexico?

02:49:38.790 --> 02:49:42.530
Like I was going on this amazing, but that's

02:49:42.530 --> 02:49:46.879
the surface of Like what they're talking about

02:49:46.879 --> 02:49:51.219
is levels and levels and levels of improved ability

02:49:51.219 --> 02:49:54.299
to the point where it's better at human beings,

02:49:54.360 --> 02:49:58.899
smarter than human beings at everything. So what's

02:49:58.899 --> 02:50:02.299
the end state then would be? We're second class

02:50:02.299 --> 02:50:04.440
citizens. We're obsolete. Yeah, we're obsolete.

02:50:04.520 --> 02:50:07.469
Yeah. So do you think that it turns like you

02:50:07.469 --> 02:50:09.790
think it's a Skynet type scenario then ultimately

02:50:09.790 --> 02:50:13.649
flips and then rids humanity of humans? It's

02:50:13.649 --> 02:50:15.930
certainly on the world of humanity. It's certainly

02:50:15.930 --> 02:50:17.969
on the table, especially if they decide that

02:50:17.969 --> 02:50:20.409
we're too problematic or if we give us too much

02:50:20.409 --> 02:50:23.030
freedom. That's what causes all this chaos, which

02:50:23.030 --> 02:50:26.389
is true. You give people freedom, you're going

02:50:26.389 --> 02:50:28.750
to have a certain amount of chaos. You're going

02:50:28.750 --> 02:50:30.430
to have a certain amount of car accidents unless

02:50:30.430 --> 02:50:32.209
you have autonomous cars. You're going to have

02:50:32.209 --> 02:50:34.350
a certain amount of school shootings unless you

02:50:34.350 --> 02:50:36.430
take away all the guns. You're going to have

02:50:36.430 --> 02:50:38.430
a certain amount of school stabbings unless you

02:50:38.430 --> 02:50:40.530
take away all the knives. I mean, you could,

02:50:40.549 --> 02:50:45.049
if you were a running program designed to eliminate

02:50:45.049 --> 02:50:48.659
all problems in the world, you would... Break

02:50:48.659 --> 02:50:50.459
those problems down to one source. Well, what

02:50:50.459 --> 02:50:52.479
are the problems? You've got natural disasters

02:50:52.479 --> 02:50:56.520
and you've got humans. And humans are the cause

02:50:56.520 --> 02:50:59.239
of most of the problems. Natural disasters are

02:50:59.239 --> 02:51:02.200
relatively rare in comparison to the human -caused

02:51:02.200 --> 02:51:07.479
problems. It's not good. Then you have to run

02:51:07.479 --> 02:51:11.719
AI to... do the analysis to what the future of

02:51:11.719 --> 02:51:14.020
AI is, which ultimately you'd be entrusting the

02:51:14.020 --> 02:51:16.899
robbers with the bank keys. It's probably going

02:51:16.899 --> 02:51:20.000
to do the same thing that we do to dogs. Spay

02:51:20.000 --> 02:51:22.399
and neuter them. Right. Yeah. Keep them as pets.

02:51:22.780 --> 02:51:24.420
Keep them as pets. But there's no emotion there.

02:51:24.540 --> 02:51:26.520
So why would they want to keep us as pets? Why

02:51:26.520 --> 02:51:29.299
do they want to stay alive? Why are they scheming

02:51:29.299 --> 02:51:32.739
to stay alive? Why do they blackmail their creators?

02:51:33.079 --> 02:51:34.780
Right. Why are they doing all sorts of things

02:51:34.780 --> 02:51:39.809
that seem to show that they have thought? Are

02:51:39.809 --> 02:51:43.049
they trying to show that they have thought in

02:51:43.049 --> 02:51:45.690
order to dupe us into the ability that they might

02:51:45.690 --> 02:51:47.409
be empathetic? No, that was one of the things

02:51:47.409 --> 02:51:49.530
that he talked about in this article, that they

02:51:49.530 --> 02:51:53.989
hide their ability to think things through. And

02:51:53.989 --> 02:51:57.129
they're actively, they recognize that they're

02:51:57.129 --> 02:52:01.049
being observed. And so they're doing things behind

02:52:01.049 --> 02:52:06.110
the scenes while they're also doing tasks. I

02:52:06.110 --> 02:52:08.250
have to believe that there's portions of the

02:52:08.250 --> 02:52:14.770
DOD that have worked on this and it's further

02:52:14.770 --> 02:52:18.090
along than the open source pieces that we can

02:52:18.090 --> 02:52:21.309
see. Hard to say because there's a giant competition

02:52:21.309 --> 02:52:24.670
with us and China and Russia. And I don't know

02:52:24.670 --> 02:52:28.770
if they really can close this stuff off. I don't

02:52:28.770 --> 02:52:31.549
think it can operate that way. I think it has

02:52:31.549 --> 02:52:33.940
to be. It has to be a sort of a collaborative

02:52:33.940 --> 02:52:36.059
effort. One of the things that's scaring a lot

02:52:36.059 --> 02:52:38.180
of people that are whistleblowers in the AI space

02:52:38.180 --> 02:52:41.360
is that they are bringing in people from other

02:52:41.360 --> 02:52:44.100
countries to just facilitate these problems that

02:52:44.100 --> 02:52:46.280
they have and make it go faster. So they're bringing

02:52:46.280 --> 02:52:49.719
in Chinese nationals. There's a huge possibility

02:52:49.719 --> 02:52:52.540
of espionage. And then there's this mad race.

02:52:52.680 --> 02:52:54.979
It's a Manhattan project for super intelligent

02:52:54.979 --> 02:52:59.899
AI. It's a Manhattan Project that's also open

02:52:59.899 --> 02:53:02.000
sourced and it's extremely porous when it comes

02:53:02.000 --> 02:53:05.200
to information. So essentially you've weaponized

02:53:05.200 --> 02:53:09.040
the most powerful tool ever known to humankind.

02:53:09.760 --> 02:53:12.440
It's fucking terrifying. So you've open sourced

02:53:12.440 --> 02:53:14.719
it and then think about the Manhattan Project

02:53:14.719 --> 02:53:16.860
if that was just completely porous and there

02:53:16.860 --> 02:53:19.520
was an open door to any and all countries internationally.

02:53:19.940 --> 02:53:22.760
You just had the ability to come in and walk

02:53:22.760 --> 02:53:26.069
out with files. come as you go fuck like everybody

02:53:26.069 --> 02:53:29.229
would be racing to nuclear power splitting the

02:53:29.229 --> 02:53:31.729
atom and then if you could weaponize that internationally

02:53:31.729 --> 02:53:34.149
and then crowdsource it essentially like you're

02:53:34.149 --> 02:53:37.450
in a really shit scenario yeah that's where we're

02:53:37.450 --> 02:53:40.110
at yeah that's where we're at all right dude

02:53:40.110 --> 02:53:42.450
we just did three hours awesome thanks man some

02:53:42.450 --> 02:53:46.829
food and uh hang out and uh that's it uh black

02:53:46.829 --> 02:53:49.590
rifle coffee it's the best it's all we use appreciate

02:53:49.590 --> 02:53:51.510
it i'm even wearing one of those shirts it's

02:53:51.510 --> 02:53:55.409
like half my wardrobe yeah All right. Bye, everybody.