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night. All day. Raul. Joe. Very nice to meet
you, brother. It's so good to be here. I have
enjoyed your content tremendously online. And
I really got into a video this morning that I
was watching where you found this megalithic
site that was undocumented in Peru. Incredible
that they still have these ancient sites that
for whatever reason, it seems like the money
that they get gets stolen. Like the money that
is supposed to be allocated towards documenting
these things and registering these things. People
just say, fuck it, I'm going to pocket it. It
happens a lot more than you think. It's just
hard to believe, man. Some of the stuff that
you document is very heartbreaking. Like one
of them was when you flew a drone over these
ancient ruins and you showed the amount of places
that have been looted. Oh, yeah. And it's just
all of it. It's just you see these holes. And
when I first saw that, I'm like, what is what
is he showing me? And then you're like, these
are all spots where someone has dug in and looted
and most of it has been done. In this area of
Peru over the last 20 years. Over the last 20
years. So from 2006 to 2026, more. I would have
the biggest amount of looting happened. It's
actually died down some. But the end of the 20.
So 1980s to 2010s, I would say. That's when it
really. Like when it really took off. And you
can tell from the trash that's left there, like
cigarettes that were only produced in the 80s,
soda bottles that were only produced in the 90s.
How nice of them to steal the artifacts and leave
trash. They've become landfills of human remains.
This place you're talking about is, I mean, it's
eight full kilometers of just... It looks like
the moon. Every single location has been looted.
And I was like, I got to go up there and see
what this looks like. Pull up to the microphone
a little bit more. So looting, what are they
at that point in time? I mean, these are hundreds,
thousands of years old, these sites. So what
are they finding? Well, a lot of the mummies
that I've found, mummies that have been torn
apart literally. The cotton that they're wrapped
in, the textiles that they're wrapped in, I mean,
it's just, they've been scavenged. Are they looking
for jewels? Or for some sort of metallurgy, like
on the person themselves. The unfortunate thing
is, I mean, all you'll see is, you'll just see
these bones littered across the landscape with
broken pieces of pottery. That was also disturbing,
how much bones you see everywhere. So this is,
you see a bone right there. these are all human
bones that you just find scattered that's all
cotton and what we're about to see here is an
actual mummy that's been torn apart this is it's
so sad that there's no protection nobody's going
out there man nobody Except for the looters.
But I know very little about Peru other than,
you know, obviously the Nazca lines, the mummies,
all these different things, the mystery of the
place. Can you show them that, please? The video
is over. Oh, it's over? There's a couple burial
drone shots. But it's just... You go to the top.
How big is Peru? I don't even know geographically
how large it is. I mean, Peru is huge. I mean,
it takes up, this is another, this is a different
looted site. So this is all, this, all of this
is in the Paracas Nazca Ica region. And these
skulls are just sitting there? So the looters
will oftentimes leave, I don't know, set them
up in this fashion. There isn't a site I've gone
to where I haven't seen something like set up
like this. In the end. But so I pull out to show
the scale of it. I mean, every little piece of
white you see is some part of a human. Wow. It's
tragic, man. Just so much history lost. And so
does this stuff wind up in private collections?
Do museums ever get it? Like what happens to
that stuff? I don't think museums get it at all.
It's private buyers. I actually met a – the term
is huaquero. It's a grave robber. I actually
met one in Miraflores in Lima proper at one of
the artesanales where they're selling ancient
goods. Well, some of them have real things that
they go out and they loot. I mean that – this
is one of the things I've been thinking about
like for the future, like what – What can be
done about this? Because nobody from the government
is going out there. And so these things end up
in private collections, textiles, humans, pottery,
things that you would see in museums. It's just
nobody from that official administration is taking
the trip to go out there and preserve these things.
It seems like just the ancient civilization of
Peru is a massive mystery. It seems like there
are a lot of uncovered stories. In that area.
Peru is a hot spot. And it doesn't seem like
there's an incredible amount of research being
done other than by independent people. archaeological
sites so the money and i just the money it would
take to fund research on all these places is
just extreme it's extreme um i think there's
a lot of history that that goes missed uh because
because of what's currently happening but a lot
of times a lot of the research is focused on
what's going to bring tourism right Like Machu
Picchu and things along those lines, which is
also insane. Phenomenal. It's just incredible.
Like that place is like what, why, how? Why did
you build it up here? Fucking nuts. A good friend
of mine just actually went, just recently took
his family up to Machu Picchu. And he's like,
it doesn't even make any sense, man. Dude, Machu
Picchu is what started it. My family's from Peru,
and so I would grow up going there. And I have
this old. Back when you were filming with cameras
with, like, a videotape, there's footage of me
finding seashells at Machu Picchu. What? When
I was, like, 10 years old. Back then, you could
go wherever you wanted. You didn't have to stay
on a path. And for people that don't know, Machu
Picchu is, like, what, 12 ,000 feet above sea
level? Yeah. And so I'm a kid. I mean, I still
have the grainy footage, and I'm showing my dad
on the camera. I'm like, Dad, Dad, look, I found
seashells. They were like glinting in the mud
in the wall. And so I took them out. And that's
what started this whole process for me. I was
just like that. It blew my mind that there were
seashells way up there. So I studied about earth
cataclysms and ancient history and when sea levels
were different. And that is a moment that started
kind of this whole path for me. How old were
you at the time? 10 or 12. Wow. Wow. How many
times have you been there since? Well, growing
up, we used to go every year and a half or so,
and that's continued into my adulthood. It's
only been recently, the past two years, that
I've been doing what I've been doing, which is
like hardcore solo expeditions. And so when you
look at a site like Machu Picchu or any of these
ancient sites, what is the timeline that conventional
archaeologists attribute? I mean, they attribute
it to the Inca, which, you know, late 1400s,
early 1500s, I think the Inca were conquered
by the Spanish in 1530, I think. And so most
of that megalithic architecture they attribute
to the Inca. However, there's evidence that there's
a site, Jamie, if you could pull up, it's called
Vinyake. This place is... There's megalithic
architecture with precision that goes down 50
feet under this mountain. Check this out. Whoa.
Whoa. This is crazy. So I believe they filled
in the top in modern times. There's mortar at
the top. And very soon there's going to be a
guy who shows us a map. Wow. And so you see very
different construction styles. Very different
construction. From the bottom to the top. But
that's how it always is, right? The most complex
stuff. So that's showing that this architecture
here, it goes down 50 feet. Into this mountain.
And what do they think this was? So this complex
is all attributed to the Wari. It's attributed
to the culture that came right before the Inca,
which doesn't make much sense to me because what
you see on the surface, that's Wari construction.
Which is small stones. Right. What are they held
together with? Mud mortar. Mud as mortar. So
this site has only been 4 % excavated, 4%. Underneath
all of it is that type of architecture, which
is crazy. So you have mud and mortar with very
small stones, and then underneath it you have
precision -cut megalithic stones. Yeah. And how
big are these stones and where are they supposedly
coming from? So here's a funny story. If you
look, you can find it on Google Maps. You know,
they call it the El Complejo de Wari, so the
Wari Complex. But if you go back to the Spanish
chronicles, Pedro Cieza de Leon, when he was
in Tiwanaku, so Tiwanaku where Pumapunku is in
Bolivia, when they asked the natives, you know,
who built this, they said, we don't know. It
was built before us from the people from the
lake. The same people who built Vinyake. That's
what the natives said. That place, Vinyake, is
800, 1 ,000 kilometers from Tiwanaku. And it's
the same construction. So it makes sense kind
of what they're saying. The people who built
Tiwanaku also built this place. But before they
knew that, they didn't witness it. It was just
there when they got there is what the locals
said. Well, that's a lot of stuff, right? That's
part of the weirdness of South America. Yeah.
And, you know, even Mexico, right? Yeah. That's
the weirdness of the Aztec structures. I didn't
know that until pretty recently that the Aztecs
labeled, like, Tenochtitlan, the place where
the gods were born. I didn't know that. Yeah.
I didn't know that. Like, they don't attribute
that to themselves. To themselves. They found
it when they cleared the area. I mean, you think
about it, I've... Still to this day, you know,
I was up in Lake Titicaca and I mean, there's
structures all over the place, but you're like,
where were these people living? And because there's
no remnants of cities or towns. And the reason
is, is because in modern times, people have recommissioned
the blocks and started and use them for their
farms and their homes and things like that. You
have a good location, a place of reverence, a
place you're going to. Build the next the next
culture is going to build on it, you know, and
I think that's happened a lot in a lot of places.
Yeah. Well, everywhere. Right. I mean, that's
Lebanon, too. That's Baalbek. It seems to be
the case that those. Those immense stones where
the Romans built on top of them. The Roman documentation
is pretty precise. They documented everything.
They never talked about these enormous thousand
-ton stones that are seven meters up in the air.
And we're just going to put them in the base
of our structure. Yeah, like what? They didn't
even talk about them. They talked about these
beautiful structures that are on top of that
are clearly Roman. But the stuff underneath it
just defies logic. And some of the stones that
were never moved and put into place that were
cut and quarried but just never moved. 1 ,600
tons? Like, how? And things you can't replicate,
you know, nowadays. That's what's crazy. Like,
with modern machinery, we can't do it. I mean,
it's—I've always—when I started this path, you
know, I was— You know, Fingerprints of the Gods
was one of the first books I picked up. Me too.
My dad had it in his library. And that set me
off on a course. The inability to be able to
– I don't know. I don't buy the mainstream. It
feels a little bit – Lazy the the response is
that that the mainstream kind of gives to some
of this stuff As opposed to just saying I don't
know it's purposely ignorant It's more than lazy
because if it was just lazy, I mean they've been
confronted by all this other alternative archaeology
evidence and all these other people that have
like explored these things and shown. And there
was always the conventional wisdom that there
was no society back then that was capable of
doing this. So they had to attribute it. to more
recent societies. Until Gobekli Tepe. Yeah. Then
you're like, okay, you guys need to shut the
fuck up. I mean, there's a power in admitting,
like, if we're looking for the truth here, then
it's like, okay, we got this evidence that disrupts
this that we thought before. All right, just
say that. Right. You know what I mean? They just
say it. It's fascinating that they can't because
they are like every other form of academia. They
are just like – I mean you might as well be talking
to a gender studies teacher. Just like they don't
want to look at reality. They just want their
narrative and they want to be the gatekeepers
of information and then they just want to push
that narrative forward. And they're so mean.
Dude, it – I only started recently being on X
within the past year and I'm just like the cattiness
of it all, man. Well, it just exposes them. It
exposes their personality. And they're just not
the type of people that I want to talk to about
anything. Especially, you're not the gatekeeper.
If you're a 41 -year -old person, you're not
the gatekeeper of ancient history. You can't
be. There's too much. There's too much all over
the world. It doesn't make sense. None of it
makes sense. And that's, I think, why they're
so terrified of people like Filippo Biondi. scans
underneath the pyramids. Because if he's right,
and it appears he is, over 200 different independent
scans. And they all say the exact same thing.
If he's right, you guys are fucked. Because you're
going to eventually have to say, we're wrong.
You have a moment here where you can choose which
direction to go. Pretty soon that moment's going
to be lost. But it's like this is what the evidence
has presented. And like you said, it's verified
over 200 different studies. It's like, all right,
we might be wrong. Let's see. They don't want
to do that. They're still digging their heels
in and they're just discrediting themselves,
which is fascinating. It's really interesting.
It's really interesting to watch these assholes
just like flounder. Well, and it makes me think,
you know. What's the reason behind it? Is it
pride? Is it ego? Is it because you wrote some
books on it that you need to keep selling? Is
it because it's in textbooks that universities
use? I mean, there's a lot of layers to it. It's
all the above, but you can tell just by the way
they communicate online a lot of it is ego. Yeah.
Yeah. A lot of it is ego and just really bad
personalities. You know, these people that are
accustomed to never being questioned, accustomed
to being in the hierarchy of academia where,
you know, you have these tenured professors and
then they have the people that are coming up
under them and they all follow the same sort
of rigid structure. And so any heterodox thinkers,
anybody who comes in from outside the box, they
just get shit all over. There's no open minded.
I don't know if this is like a parable or something,
but, you know, I don't know, some story where
there's a truck going into a tunnel and it gets
stuck and it's backing up traffic and nobody
can get through. Everybody's trying to figure
out what the hell, how to get this truck through.
And just, you know, some farmer walks up and
he's just like, take the air out the tires. And
problem solved. And so. The inability to let
other people come in with thoughts and opinions,
it just – it really – I think it's a real detriment
to the study of these things because in my approach
to some of the places I've gone, I think it is
that, yes, we have research. Yes, there is a
level of understanding at a lot of these places
what happened. But it's also that going into
it with a fresh set of eyes. You know, sometimes
I mean, I get so locked in my work. Sometimes
I can't see outside of it. You know, sometimes
it takes another party to come in and all of
a sudden your mind is blown in a completely different
direction. I don't see that level of openness
to things on the side of a lot of a lot of the
mainstream academia when it comes to this stuff.
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people have to really understand that the whole
concept of being extreme academia is only a few
hundred years old. And that's what's weird. It's
like so these very recent structures, these very
recent establishments want to be the gatekeepers
of information of a vast swath of the world.
I mean, it's not possible. It's not possible
that you know everything. It's not. I was thinking
about that. They know a lot. They know a lot
about things they have discovered. They do. They
know a lot about Mesopotamia. They know a lot
about Iraq, all the amazing stuff that they find.
Some stuff they've very accurately dated. But
it doesn't explain things that you can't explain.
And they want to try to just fit it. That's what's
goofy. I mean, look, if the puzzle piece doesn't
fit, stop trying to force it. Well, it's also,
it's like more. gigantic, spectacular pieces.
And you're like, well, those aren't important.
I mean, Ben Van Kirkwick with this most recent
discoveries where they're using the ground -penetrating
radar to find the labyrinths and this 40 -meter
-long metallic object that's inside of an atrium
down there. Like, what is that thing? Yeah, I
hope it's something. If they go looking, and
I hope they do, and this is the other thing.
It's like, let's start putting money towards
this, like, now. You know what I mean? Right.
Like, figure this out. I don't know why I thought
of this. I think it might be a meteorite. If
it's some sort of, like, metallic thing. 40 -meter
long meteor. I know. I know. That's a fucking
civilization ender. But imagine. The next civilization
coming across that thing and hearing the stories,
it's like, oh, shit, let's worship this. Let's
revere it somehow and put it in an atrium. It's
just my thought. Exactly. Exactly. This one's
40 meters. Yeah, there's a meteorite at Mecca
that they all go to touch, which is kind of crazy,
right? But completely makes sense, right? Something
comes from the sky and lands, causes chaos, and
then you worship it. I mean, that also wasn't
one of like King Tut's knives was made out of
a meteorite or something like that. So they were
finding these things. 40 meter one is pretty
big, though. I know. But also tic -tac shaped.
That's the other thing. I'm like, so when it
comes, I'm just like, let's go. Let's go. Well,
you know, that's part of the Bob Lazar lore.
I remember. Bob Lazar said that when he was told
that at least one of these things came from an
archaeological dig. I'm like, what? What? What
do you mean? He's like, that's what they were
telling me. I don't know. But they told me that
one of them was from an archaeological dig. So
these things are really old. Dude, and his accuracy
was something with the Element 118. 115. 115,
something like that. From 1989, when Element
115 wasn't even discovered until the 2000s. I
mean. That's why when he's – I forget who I was
talking to outside, but we were talking about
– I think I was talking to Jamie about that,
about Bob Lazar talking about some of these things
coming from archaeological sites. Yeah. Let's
go find it. Right. You know what I mean? Well,
that's where it gets really weird. Where it gets
really weird is these mummies. Oh, we're going
to go to the mummies. What are you going to do,
Jamie? Eric Burleson, our representative, talking
about how he's – asked the white house to give
dod the power to let them go see this stuff including
that a buried ufo reportedly an object that is
not in this country that is so large it cannot
be moved uh that they've built an entire building
around it and i think that i think uh either
greer or another individual has actually mentioned
this site but i'm not going to mention it because
it is a classified location but there is a a
really apparent there's reported A really large
object. And that's one of the locations that
I'm requesting to get to. It's going to involve
a lot to get to make that happen. But that may
be the final destination. Shit like that makes
me want to run for president. Because that's
all I would care about. The economy would be
in shambles. I'd be like, show me the UFOs. Do
you think they'd do it? Because I've heard that.
No, they'd kill me. I mean on that need -to -know
basis where they're keeping stuff from presidents.
Kennedy got too close. I don't think that's what
they killed Kennedy for, but I think there's
a bunch of things. No, there's a whole lot of
layers. Yeah, but the UFO people love to think
that it's UFOs is why they killed Kennedy. But
they think everything is UFOs. But it definitely
seems like – I don't know about the evidence
because it's just stories. And that's the problem
is that a lot of this stuff – and this is how
I feel when a lot of people come on the podcast
and talk to me, supposed whistleblowers. Some
of them I think are legitimate and some of them
I think are disinformation specialists. I think
they're designed to muddy up the water and this
is – what they're saying is designed to muddy
up the water and that's what they're trying to
do. They're trying to make a lot of this stuff
look silly and push certain narratives and just
create confusion. And I think – A lot of it is
probably some black budget, weird science stuff
that we have. But then it begs the question,
where'd you get that? Is that really like the
Diana Pasolka work where she's talking about
there? Essentially, these things are donations.
And that we're supposed to take these things
and try to figure it out. And then you look at
some of the creation of some different inventions
that happened very quickly after Roswell. Our
civilization has just been on a boom ever since.
Weird stuff. Like the fiber optic stuff and transistors.
Just the history of the creation of the transistor
and the people that were involved in it. It seems
awful fucking fishy. I mean, I try to stick with
evidence that I can make out tangibly, and it
just gets so murky, like you said. All of this
gets so murky that I don't know how the truth
would even land, you know? Well, the truth would
have to land if there was an overall comprehensive
effort by all of the world governments. And there
would have to be some sort of unity in this and
some sort of like a recognition that this is
really important for the entire human population
to understand our past. And if this is nonsense,
let's find out that it's nonsense. And if this
is real, this changes everything. And when you
look at – just look at the vastness of the cosmos.
It's not outside of the realm of possibility,
this stuff. either came from somewhere else or
was here because they were here. That there was
an advanced civilization here, whether it's our
civilization or whatever the hell those mummies
are. Because the tridactyl mummies are weird.
That stuff's weird. We can talk about that because
I went – I did a deep dive with my friend Will
and there is – There is too much amok going on
with these things for me to objectively say that
they are what people are claiming them to be.
There's too much wrong with the picture. Right.
Well, first of all, a lot of them are fake. Yeah.
For sure. Oh, yeah. A lot of them. People have
seemingly created with a bunch of different animal
bones. And human bones. And human bones. And
pieced them together. But then there's the weird
ones. You know, there's the weird ones that are
mummified and they're in the fetal position.
And you see a structure that doesn't exist in
the human body. But it's complete with tendons
and ligaments. And some of them have eggs inside
of them. Joe, I'm telling you, man. Look, I want
to believe. That you think it's bullshit? I think
it is much closer to bullshit than it is reality.
All of them? I think what we're dealing with
here are real human beings from the past. They
are ancient that have been put together. Will
from Incredible History has done some amazing
work with some amazing specialists. I mean, people
at the top of their field on this stuff, looking
at the x -rays and the DICOM files and calling
out. calling out cuts, calling out incisions
that were made, calling out why things don't
make sense. And for me, the reason I put out
my last video on the Nazca mummies is because
there's this whole other narrative, too, of where
the money is, who's making money off of these
things. And I think that... Is there money being
made off those little mummies? Please. You got
something? Yeah. So I remember—I forget who you
were talking to. It might have been Jesse Michaels.
But I remember you saying, you know, these are
one of the greatest art projects if they were
fake. Right. Well, if you just scroll to the
right here, this is what the— That's the goofy
one. Yeah, but that's what the walkero is selling.
He sent that to me personally, the guy selling
these things, these goofy ass— So this is for
people— You can't see it? There's a folder on
there that has the pictures in the photos. These
are the goofy ones. But what is the one that
is the female that's in the— Maria. Is that what
they're called? Maria is one of them. I mean,
so Will had on Dr. William Morrison and Dr. Proctor,
Dr. Wilson. I mean, like people in the top of
their— in the top of their field analyzing these
things. This one looks fake as fuck. Yeah, everybody,
you can get this for $15 ,000. This comes directly
from the walkero finding these things, by the
way. Yeah. I did a little undercover thing trying
to see what I could lure out of him. See, this
is not particularly compelling to me. But it's
in the same class coming from the same place,
supposedly. The same group of people are providing
these things to the – yeah, this is in the Ica
Museum. This is where they're housed. What is
it, Montserrat? Is that what the – Montserrat,
yeah. Montserrat. So these are – again, these
are not that compelling to me. The small ones,
no. The big ones – so the big ones, though, are
– Gosh, they keep coming out with new specimens.
There's a new one, Antonio, who's a teenage boy
except for his feet. His feet have arthritis
in them, which indicates that they put the foot
bones of another specimen on this thing. Now,
what these doctors have done, look, and here's
the thing. I mean, I want to be clear. I would
love nothing more than. Of course. Peru to be
the hot spot of some new species. I don't think
we're alone. I don't think we've identified every
species. But also, I'm not putting my money on
these things coming out as authentic. I think
they have been used with authentic bones, which
is why they're getting the dates. I think that...
Dude, I did a deep dive on this stuff. Please
go. No, feel free. Tell me. Tell me what you
found out. I initially wasn't going to make the
video I did, but after spending days staying
up doing this research, I couldn't not do it.
And I found, like, I even watched the whole Gaia
series on this stuff. And I found myself, like,
getting entranced by the, like, maybe, maybe.
And then also watching. The whole reason of putting
this stuff out there is, like, look, make your
own decision. But don't just take in the fantasy.
Take in the other possibilities, too. And just
have all the information before you make your
decision. Well, clearly we know some of them
are fake. Clearly. Clearly. Even people like
me who want so desperately to believe. And it's
also the corresponding artwork from the past,
the three -toed, three -fingered artwork, which
is weird. That is weird. And I saw some of those
geoglyphs down there in the middle of nowhere.
And then the whole thing with James Fox and the
Brazil incident and that thing. The three -fingered
thing is a weird thing in history. With these
bones, I mean, I'm going to have to point you
to some of the videos that these specialists
have come out analyzing the files. But where
the money is, is exactly what's happening now.
We have this possibility. We're going to make
a show about it. We're going to put out this
new thing. It goes deep, Joe. The same doctors,
the same specialists that are verifying currently
the Nazca mummies have been on the same team
for the past 20 years verifying other species
and specimens, alien hybrids. Literally, my whole
video, I'm just like, this is what he said in
2007. This is what he said about this fake thing
in 2012. This is what he said about the fake
thing in 2017. And I put it back to back. So
it's the same narrative. Same people. It's the
same people, the same narrative. And so you think
that the construction has just gotten more sophisticated?
100%. 100%. They learn. What is that, the major
one? Maria and Montserrat. Let's find Montserrat.
And see the Jesse Michaels stuff, because he
went down there and looked at them, and they
did scans on the bodies. And then I have a link
to, I think it's Dr. Morrison talking about Montserrat's
feet, the x -rays of his feet, and pointing out.
That's on the spreadsheet. Well, let's see that.
I'd like to see that. Do you think that these
are recent creations of old bones? Is that what
it is? That's what I think. Okay. And how do
you think they did it? Is there any speculation?
I think that – so there are – So here's the –
I'm going to cut them off. What's that, Jimmy?
Just ask them a question. I cut them off. Oh.
How do you think they did it? How do you think
they did it? Well, I think that they – I think
they've gotten very good with taxidermy. Right,
because we've seen that before where you take
an owl and you attach it to an iguana. In fact,
in the research I did, there was this demon fairy
thing in 2017. If you want to pull up my video.
Let's start with this. We'll get to the demon
fairy thing soon. This shit is wild. This is
from a surface scan that was available. And I
went in and just kind of removed some of the
fuzziness so that I could highlight the bones.
And one of the things, again, that you notice
is that the joints have a lot of spacing between
them. These are not joints that are in contact,
so they're dislocated. Now, the main part here,
the central area where the cuneiforms are in
the cuboid, those articulate with five metatarsals
normally. The way these are lettered, A would
go with the big toe. And E would go with the
little toe. And again, just like in Maria, those
are missing. But the joints are not lined up
properly. The shapes of the joints don't go with.
the matching bone on the cuneiforms of the cuboid.
That's exactly what I was seeing in CT. So none
of the articulations of the metatarsal junction
really made any sense. And some of the bones
didn't even meet an articular surface at all.
So that jumped out to me immediately because
then my first question goes to how would that
even be a functional foot? So Montserrat, that's...
So that's, why does Montserrat have tendons?
Click on that. Keep it going a little bit. Where
I thought I saw the rays resection, because people
were talking about there still being tendons
and stuff intact. And I would agree that some
of those metatarsals are, as Dr. Proctor pointed
out, in the correct position, but then some are
just missing. So if you wanted to elevate the
illusion. One of the ways you could do that would
be by performing a raised resection. And essentially
that's a function conserving surgery where if
you've had damage to your metacarpals or your
metatarsals, they'll remove that metacarpal or
metatarsal and kind of rearrange your fingers
or your toes and the remaining metacarpals to
keep your limb functioning. So her feet, Montserrat's
feet were just a little bit different where I
think they might have used more. complex procedure
like that versus maria where her feet just looked
more like um arts and crafts to my eye so and
that's the so maria came up if these things are
are hoaxes there is also if we're just going
with that angle there's a clear evolution of
the work that goes into them behind the scenes.
Like, that one came out after the first one.
The first one got called out on a whole bunch
of things. All of a sudden, the next iteration
doesn't have the same issues. Oh, right. They're
correcting. Yeah. And that's actually... I forget.
There was an archaeologist on X. He said that's
very common in the world of fake antiquities.
Like they learn once they get called out on something,
they'll figure out how to make the pottery better
or something like that. Is there a lot of money
in this stuff? Yeah. I mean, apparently. Where's
the money coming from? How does it? For me, it's
not even in the it's not in the sale. The most
money coming from this is not in the sale of
these things. It's in the shows that come from
it. It's in the series. It's in the subscriptions
to get to the next season where they're going
to finally reveal the truth about it. There's
a lot of money being made in the background.
And that's part of the deep dive I went on, like
following the money. So who do you think is making
them? Do you have a theory? I believe that there's
actually. It was in my video and one of Will's
videos. There was a grave robber, a whistleblower
grave robber who was part of this team. And he
shares how he was getting stuff for Mario, like
the main guy. There's got to be a team of specialists
working on this stuff. And, I mean, money went
into making these things because money is going
to come from it. Seems like a lot of money, though.
Yeah. But you would think that that would kind
of fall apart. I would. It is falling apart.
But it is under scans. But I would say, like,
someone would rat somebody out. These are unscrupulous
people. So that's part of the reason I also decided
to make this video. And a lot of the pushback
on this stuff is like, oh, you don't trust, you
know, Latin American doctors or anything. No,
it's not that. Latin American doctors from Peru
and journalists from – they're afraid to talk
about this stuff because things can get violent
down there surrounding this topic. Article from
2012 about a mummy being stolen and it goes on
to talk about – there's a – I said right at the
bottom. The Ica Mafia. Yeah, there's a mafia.
The Ica Mafia. And in fact, the guy Mario who
– There you go. Officials have warned about the
existence of a mafia dedicated to the trade with
links throughout Southern America and Europe.
And at the time, it was $18 million a year in
stolen archaeological artifacts. Peru estimated
it was being taken out of the country. So this
is all going to, like, wealthy people in other
countries that want to have these artifacts in
their homes? Yeah. I've seen the text messages
with some of the American buyers. Really? Yeah.
So these guys are just like, come on into my
den. I'll show you a mummy. What I'm talking
about specifically was tapestries and it was
actually the guy I met in the Artesanalis in
Miraflores. And he showed me video. He was very
open with me. He showed me videos of – because
the buyers want to see provenance. The buyers
want to see them pulling the artifacts out of
the ground. Right. So they just bury them and
then they just – Well, no. I mean – Mummy crowdfunder
leaves archaeologists fuming. So there's a guy
in London that's selling this stuff? Victor Wind
Museum in London. Cabinet dedicated to dead people.
And they were trying to get a mummy from Peru.
Wow. What do you think is going on with the skulls?
The elongated skulls? Jamie, I have a... I think
that that's one I found. So here's one. You found
that one? Oh, yeah. That's one of three I've
come across. Now, there... supposedly there's
a difference in the way the skull, you know,
when you're a child, what is it called? The sagittal
sutures, yeah. I found some without the, every
elongated skull that I've, the three I've come
across, all had the sagittal, all had that suture.
Like a normal human does. Like a normal human.
So these would be from pressing boards on the
child's head when they're in development? Yeah.
Binding? But then the question is, why would
you do that? And I mean, I err on the side of
you don't just come up with that. You're trying
to imitate something. Right. You know, and so
that that's and then you see it in Egypt and
the hieroglyphs and stuff. So I do think like
there is, you know, there's we've we've labeled
things other species with just a bone fragment.
You know, I'm like, there's there's. of these
things, and I think that if the right study went
to them, you might have a separate species if
you put the money towards studying this stuff
because it's all out there, man. Right, like
a separate branch of the human species? Possibly,
yeah. Right, which makes sense. I mean, they're
finding separate branches all the time. All the
time. The Denisovans, you know, all these different
ones that they've found within the last 20 years.
And there could be something with a larger head,
an elongated head. Yep. And that's the, I don't
know enough about osteo whatever to go in depth
about it, but it, I mean, either you had whole
cultures just doing this or. There's too many
of them for it to have just been kind of some
elitist practice, I think. And a bizarre practice
at that. Why would you want to do that to your
kid's head when clearly it's probably not been
done to your head, at least the first people?
What were you trying to imitate? I forget who
told me this. There is some, I think Will told
me this, there's some woman who did this practice
on herself, like actually trepanated her own
head. Yeah, we talked about that. Well, we've
talked about trepanation when we had that woman
on to herself. Okay, well, wait, so you had her
on? Yeah, well, a woman who did, what was her
name again? The psychedelic lady? I believe she
passed, didn't she? Recently? Really fascinating
woman. Amanda Fielding. Amanda Fielding. She
died recently, right? Yeah. But she did self
-trepanation. She did self -trepanation. But
that's not elongation of the skull. No, but there's
an idea that what that trepanation might have
done. In the ancient days, they did it to release
the evil spirits if somebody was afflicted with
some sort of psychosis or something like that.
And I forget if it was Amanda. Something happens
with your brain waves when the brain is exposed
or something. There's some sort of... I don't
know. How the fuck do you find that out without
doing it? But if the skull is elongated, I don't
know if it gives extra space to... I forget who
told me this. It changes the chemical... structure
of the brain that like kind of like a DMT experience.
You're open to more things. And so an idea is
that if you elongated it and had that extra space
in the skull for the brain to have more oxygen,
I guess, maybe it affects your brain chemistry.
I don't know. Just pure speculation. But one
of the things about some of these skulls they
found is that the volume is larger. than a human
brain. That's true. So how would you do that
just by stretching it out with boards? I mean,
it would seem like you have the same volume,
you're just changing the shape of it, right?
Yeah, but there are some, like you said, that
have more volume, that would appear to have more
volume. And have there been no studies on these
weird ones, the ones that don't have those sagittal
lines that correspond with human beings? Because
some of them don't, right? Fringe studies. That's
the problem. That is the problem. What are we
looking at? Are we looking at an animal head
that they've kind of like shoved onto like human
features and glued things together? Oh, with
the mummies? I mean, some of these skulls. Well,
I mean, like the one you just saw. I mean, they're
there. They're just out in the desert. I don't
know why funding hasn't been— And you found them
just sitting there. Yeah. And you just leave
them there? Yeah. Yeah. I put a pin on—I mean,
eventually one day I would like to, I don't know,
form some sort of relationship with the Ministry
of Culture because the thing is nobody's going
out there. And I specifically went to places
this last expedition that I went the first year.
Just to see what happened a year later. And those
places were looted even more. The things I had
found and come across and documented, like an
elongated skull, wasn't there anymore. So these
things are being taken and sold. Makes you wonder
how much of it was there in the past. Dude, I
mean, I don't, like that eight kilometers of
looting, it was all bones and textile and pottery.
I mean, just. Eight full kilometers. So it's
an eight -kilometer graveyard? Yeah. When I'm
looking up trepanation, this elongated skull
is coming up. Apparently this one is in Oklahoma,
a museum of some kind. That's the one that looks
like it's had surgery on it. There's some sort
of a metal implant. And it's come up in that
context. This one's coming up, too. But what
they're saying is that the metal implant is used.
After trepanation's been done to sort of patch
the bone. Sometimes that has been documented
as happening. What kind of metal are they using
on your fucking head? Well, that's the weird
thing, too, because that metal has come up in
the skull scans on, like, Montserrat. I don't
know which one in particular had it, but they're
saying it's got, like, metal that wasn't available,
you know, at the time. What's that one on the
lower left -hand corner? That one looks crazy.
Oh, that's the Chungo skull. What's that? Okay,
so that one looks different. That's in the Chungo
skull. Yeah, that's... It says it's in Paracas,
but, I mean, that's... Click on that? It's very
close to where I found the one I showed you from
my footage. Okay, that skull looks nuts. So that
doesn't look like a human skull at all. No. That
one is... Look at the lines on that one. That's
fucking crazy. That doesn't seem like it has
any of the normal lines that a human skull has.
That museum, unfortunately, is closed now, so
you can't go see it. I tried to. Well, where
is it? It was in... The Ministry of Culture shut
down that museum. Oh, the collection often exceptionally
elongated skulls found in Paracas, particularly
around the village of Chongos near Pisco, dating
to around 700 BCE to 200 CE. These skulls exhibit
severe artificial cranial deformation, practice
used by elite Paracas culture members to signify
status. Huh. That is the one we just saw in that
museum is the largest one. But it's weirdly large.
Can you find some more images of that one? I
was trying to find some other stuff that's not
three years old or older. Oh, it's okay. We'll
just see the images of it. It might be hard for
that one since the museum closed. Right, but
there's images. Yeah. So that looks like it's
a lot more volume than a human head. The one
on the far left, just the one, yeah, either one,
the one below it. Like that, just the image alone
of that, how do you get a normal human head to
be that large? Without some sort of... It looks
like you stuffed a balloon into someone's eyeball
and kept pumping it up, you know, while they're
a baby. Like what the hell is that? That's so
much bigger than a normal human skull. And then
you think if it, you know, with the skull binding
practice, I mean, is there going to be some form
of mental... difficulties with that human being
now if it's a human being or expanded capacity
yeah so the cranial capacity is 25 % more than
a normal skull it weighs 50 % or 60 % more than
a normal skull also the eye sockets are larger
and the jaw is larger and more compact god that
looks like a different kind of human So there
are – and when you go to these museums, there's
all sorts of – what's that one up there? The
one to the right of your cursor. What the fuck
is that? Is that real? That's why I was – I didn't
want to go here. Whoa. I was bringing up a bunch
of fake shit too. That's why I was trying to
– Is that fake? I haven't seen that one before.
I don't – it's taking me to Facebook. It's already
a big red flag. Yeah. I know. Facebook is a hub
of fake shit. Oh, man. I can't escape it on that.
It's the same picture. So a lot of them are probably
AI generated. But that one that's 25 % larger
than a normal human skull and larger eye sockets.
The eye sockets are fucking huge. That's also
weird. That's the problem with all this looting
that's been going on for so many years. There
might have been some evidence of a different
kind of human that lived. With these people.
And I mean, imagine if we find out that that
different kind of human was what populated that
area. And they were the people that built Sacsayhuaman.
Because Paracas is the highest concentration
of the ones that have been found. But you find
them up in the Cuzco region, too. There's a video
I have, I think. I think it's Chisniri, C -H
-I -S -I -N. Can I ask you, what is the conventional
explanation for the larger capacity of the skull
and then the larger eyeballs, the eye sockets?
I don't know that there is a conventional explanation
other than— It seems like you would have to explain
that. Like if that's not something different
than homo sapien human being like you or me,
what is that? That seems— That's a different
thing, right? You would think. Right. Like if
you look at a Neanderthal skull and you look,
mine's pretty close to one. But if you look at
a Neanderthal skull and a normal human skull,
you can clearly see the Denisovans. You clearly
see the difference. Homo Julians. You see the
difference. That's different, man. It's different.
And some of this stuff in their jaws and with
like the set of teeth, there's differences. I
mean, I haven't done a deep dive into it personally.
But there are a multitude of differences that
have been highlighted. And for people that are
skeptical, one thing you have to recognize is
that it's really hard to make a fossil. Most
things that die and have died forever do not
become fossils. They get consumed by the earth
like a normal thing would. That's why you don't
find... Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, if you're talking
about going back 10 ,000 years, that's why you're
not you're not seeing much evidence of stuff.
I mean, it's been so long. These these things
are preserved because they're between at at most
typically at most 2000 ish years in that region
old. They're preserved so well because of the
climate there, which is I mean, when you're going.
You still see the hair of people. It hasn't disintegrated.
It's there. God, it's so creepy. Dude, I have
some creepy photos for you, man. I don't know.
You might want to put a disclaimer up. People
know on this show. You don't need a disclaimer.
Here's a quick question. I found a video of a
guy with an elongated skull. He's talking about
these and showing it. I'm just precise. I've
referenced to his hand. Does the skull seem small?
It does. Unless he's got some giant -ass basketball
player. That's kind of the size of the one I
showed you earlier. It's smaller than you would
think. But a lot of the people there back then
were very small, right? They didn't have access
to a lot of protein. I went to Chichen Itza,
and one of the weirder things is how small the
people are there. How small the mind, people.
I'm short already, and I was a giant compared
to these people. It was really weird. It's typically
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Same in Peru until when the Spanish came. And
then the interbreeding. And then interbreeding,
yeah. Yeah. But if you go, Jamie, if you just
open up the photos remains folder, this is the
stuff you see. I mean, there's still skin on
some of these things. Whoa. Which is why. Whoa.
That's creepy. Yeah, man. And how old is that
hand? Probably, I mean, at this burial site,
based on the artifacts I was seeing, it's Paracas
or Nazca. Go back one, Jamie, please. Look at
the cloth next to it, too. So what is that piece
of cloth, do you think? It's like it's braided
at the bottom. I didn't see a hole in the middle,
so I don't think it was a sling. It's too fancy
for a sling, I think. So I'm not 100 % sure.
Unless it's a fancy sling. It could be, yeah.
Fancy bows and arrows, fancy guns. True, true.
Look at the hand, man. That's so crazy. And what
you see to the right of it is what kind of looks
like burlap. I mean, that's what the mummies
were wrapped in. They were stuffed with cotton
or put in the fetal position, wrapped with textile,
then cotton, then more textile and ropes, and
that's some of the cotton and wrapping. The grave
robbers had torn apart trying to find gold and
jewels and things like that. And what's unfortunate
is some of the most beautiful pottery there,
too. It's just completely destroyed. Wow. Whoa.
Look at all those bones. You found this? Yeah.
God, that's got to be creepy just seeing all
those dead people's bones and rope. It affects
you, man. It definitely does. What's the time
period of this? This is 2 ,000 years. Wow. That
picture actually isn't from Nazca. That was another.
I have a video of this to show you, this place.
There's just so much weirdness about Peru, just
the Nazca lines alone. Like, what were they doing?
Why were you making artwork you can only see
from the sky? That's crazy. Oh, look at the hair.
That's nuts. Normal -sized skull, though. Actually,
that one, I don't have the pictures in that folder,
but I measured it. It's incredibly bulbous. It's
much more bulbous than a normal skull. So you're
just getting a side view of it? Yeah, and I put
the tape measurer there next to it. That's crazy.
You see the skin. Yeah, isn't it? The skin and
the hair on the skull. Oh, God. That's creepy.
It's why, yeah. I mean, that... You know, I thought
that I had gotten... This is another thing that's
been set up. And you think the grave robbers
do this? You know, there were some places where
I found things set up like this with little candy,
little modern candies. And what that is, is it's
a tradition called pago la tierra, paying the
land. And so whoever left the candy, I don't
think was a grave robber. It's a way of giving
back to the land, giving back to the ancestors.
I started doing that with, you know, if I had
a soda bottle or something, you pour out some
Coca -Cola, pay the land for walking to it and
documenting the stuff. Nice little practice,
but so the, I would say that like 2 ,000 -ish
years old, just to circle back, so some of these
things, this is all on the surface. I don't go
digging. That's not on me, but the Waqueros do,
and that's where they're finding these things
intact. They're finding these things intact where
you can put them into a CT scanner and it's going
to show the whole insides. Has any – have any
paleontologists done or archaeologists brought
these skulls and brought them for examination
to try to find out if there's – Intact DNA that
can be studied? They're supposed to be doing
DNA tests on six of the specimens. But if you
watch my video, you'll see each time they've
done DNA tests on all the hoaxes that they've
been a part of before, I imagine the results
are going to be the same. Yeah, but I don't mean
the hoaxes. I mean the elongated skulls with
large eye sockets, things along those lines.
You know, there is a lot of the bureaucracy of...
How to go about doing anything with the Ministry
of Culture in Peru is – it's so disjointed. You
can't get things done. You just can't get – I
know Brian Forrester for decades was trying to
get some sort of official path to do DNA studies
on these things. So I mean I'm hoping with the
work that I'm doing with Pillars of the Past
that some of those boundaries can be broken where
we can actually get permission to study these
things because it's Peru's patrimony. You can't
just go in there and – Right. That makes sense.
And so – and it costs money to do those things
too. And you have to do it in the above board
way. And so it's kind of waiting for the OK from
them. Well, it seems like at the very least the
– most bizarre elongated skulls should be studied
more closely. It shouldn't just be like, oh,
it's in a museum. Look at the head. Big, huh?
Weird eyes. Let's move on. Look at this bowl.
It's broken, but, you know, pretty interesting.
Let's move on. Like, no, what the fuck is going
on with that head? Put some money, figure it
out, and... Because if it turns out that there
was a totally different branch of the human species...
It's huge. It's huge. I don't know the accuracy
of this. That's why I'm hesitant to even bring
it up. But as you're asking about that, that
video I pulled up, this guy said that they tested
12 or 18 skulls. That's Forrester. And some of
them came back as Native American. I'm reading
the closed captioning, but some of them did not.
Some of them came back from the Black Sea area.
Yeah, the Caspian Sea, Black Sea area from 2
,000 to 3 ,000 years ago. Which there have been
skulls found out in those areas too. Wow As in
the Caucasus mountains well, so that's very intriguing
What I can also share with you is what I believe
was the migrational pattern because these people
Like the some indigenous people of the Caspian
area and Black Sea area Were and are dark red
haired and also very light skin and green eyes
and this seems to correspond as well with the
elongated skulls so i believe they do have red
hair 3000 years ago the uh ancestors of the paracas
decided to leave the area because they were being
invaded by someone and so they traveled south
through iraq and iran to the persian gulf and
there they wound up sailing eastwards and eventually
found their way to the coast of Peru. So that's
the thing. With theories like this, I'm like,
let's put some effort to peer review this stuff.
Let's do the studies that are needed, have multiple
universities test these things, come up with
a standard set of results, and then... So what
is missing? Funding? Interest? It seems like
this is – in terms of like really doing a comprehensive
study of archaeological sites, Peru seems like
the least studied. Is that accurate? Halfway
I would say only because – look, there's a part
of me that also feels for the Ministry of Culture
in a way where there's so many sites in Peru.
That to have eyes everywhere, to protect it,
to have teams excavating things. I mean, isn't
that alone kind of crazy how many sites there
are in Peru? And the fact that also you have
Sacsayhuaman, you have the Nazca Lines, you have
all this weirdness in this one part of the world.
Like, why? You have the oldest stone pyramids
in the Americas, pyramids that... predate the
pyramids of Giza by a thousand years. What do
they look like? If you look up Coral, they are...
Dude, I've done a whole thesis on this. I plan
to write a... I don't think I'll ever get it
peer -reviewed, but I plan to write a paper about
my theories on some of the stuff I've found.
So Coral was this area on the coast. It's C -A
-R -A -L. And... These pyramids had – Graham
Hancock's been looking into this stuff too, this
sunken circular plaza. So they're just – this
is a – Whoa. This predates Giza. Well, what we
think is the day of Giza. The Great Pyramids.
Conventional. The conventional dating, right.
So, all right, let's see if I can condense this.
Okay. This site has, I don't know, eight of these
pyramids. They're actually all throughout the
valley and four valleys around it. The earliest
one in a separate valley close to this dates
back to 4000 BCE. It has the remnants of a sunken
circular. The main thing to keep note of is that
sunken circular plaza because it's a feature
that you not only see there in those four valleys.
But you also see it 200 kilometers north of Peru.
And what's the conventional explanation for these
sunken circular plazas? Ritual spaces. Some people
say collecting water. Some people say the acoustics
are different. Here's the interesting thing about
it. This site was discovered in the 1940s. And
nobody did anything about it. This is what happens
in Peru. From the early 1900s to 1940s, archaeologists
and historians were going up and down the coast
finding stuff. I mean, just finding stuff. And
they would write it down. They'd put it on the
map. That's why the Ministry of Culture has it
on their archaeological database. They'd pick
through it what they could, put stuff in museums,
and just move on. That site, Corral, predated
any ceramics. I mean, this was a pre -ceramic
culture, so there were no artifacts to find.
So they just moved on. It wasn't until Dr. Ruth
Shady in, like, the 80s and 90s actually put
research in and figured out, hey, this is older
than everything else we found, because they just
overlooked it. There were no artifacts. They
were just like... We're going to move on. When
you say no artifacts, that seems weird to me
because why would you make these immense structures
and not have a bowl to put rice in, right? A
lot of animal skins and the weaving. So these
cultures, what they found is, so that's a little
further inland. They had a sister site on the
coast. And so what they would do, the only agriculture
they would grow was cotton. That cotton, they
would trade with the people on the coast so they
could make nets and fish with it. The fish they
would bring back, they would give back to those
people who made the cotton for them. So it was
this weird interplay. The other unique thing
about this time period is there was no evidence
of warfare for 1 ,000 years. Nobody was fighting
each other. It was very just everybody, no weapons,
no anything like that. No weapons? No weapons.
For a thousand years. That seems insane. Is that
just no evidence of weapons? That's currently
no evidence of weapons. Right. But maybe someone
stole the weapons. That's possible. I mean, you're
talking about a place that's been looted ad nauseum,
right? That's true. I mean, they put in a lot
of work, though, excavating, especially that
site, Corral. So you feel like somewhere they
would find some sort of an axe head? They found
the only artifacts of... Major note are some
of those carvings that we saw and then bone flutes
with carvings on them and the nets, the fishing
nets. And my whole theory is this was a pocket.
It's called the Norte Chico culture. It's a little
pocket of these four valleys. And I went all
over them documenting these pyramids. They don't
look like pyramids anymore. They look like mounds.
They're so old. But there's another place 200
kilometers north in the Chasma Valley. And what
they have found is underneath the structures
that are currently exposed, they found deeper
layers of temples with that sunken plaza in this
whole other location. And those are dating to
the same time. So I firmly believe that what
archaeologists currently say is the oldest culture.
I believe it went the whole coast of Peru. Wow.
I mean, like, this was a cradle of civilization.
I mean, hands down. Cradle of civilization 6
,000 years ago. 6 ,000 years ago. So which is
right around the time we think the cradle of
civilization happened in Sumer. Wow. And so the
hard thing about it is, like, you'll have car—
You have some carvings in adobe that's been preserved
in some of these places. So there's some sort
of iconography. But there's no writing like the
Sumerian. The whole thing about Peru is like
there was no writing system that we know of.
There is a theory, and I believe this. I believe
the quipus, the rope strings with knots, I believe
that was a language. But the Spanish burnt as...
As soon as the Spanish came over, they burned
as many of those things as they could find, and
they killed the people who could read them. So
we won't ever know. Oh, God, Spaniards. How dare
you? But there's evidence that they took some
of the Incas to the Spanish court. And so there's
an Inca in the Spanish court in front of the
queen or king reading off of these quipus, reading
stories, telling the court. From knots on strings.
From knots on strings. And that understanding
of that stuff is lost. It's lost. Currently,
I think for the last few years, there's been
some studies being done in Harvard trying to
use AI to figure out what these mean. How many
of these are left over? Can we see some images
of them? I think 500 to 1 ,000. I mean, that's
it. I mean, the Spanish went on a mission to
burn all these things. Because they were trying
to convert them to... Spanish and get them to
speak the language and become Catholic. Pretty
much. Yeah. And so much history is lost because
of it. Yeah. But what's interesting is at that
oldest place, at Corral, they found a kipu. They
found one of these knotted strings. And it wasn't
a fishing net. It was... what looked to be a
kibbutz. So if you have that tradition going
back 6 ,000 years, I mean, that's... There's
a lot of... This picture's from 1994. This is
what it looked like then. It doesn't look like
anything. See that on the right? Those pits?
Yeah. That's looting pits. Wow. That's what it
looks like from above here. I was looking at
a map. Oh, so they had to dig it up. This is
the map from above. Wow. It's a pretty big area.
Why is ancient history so damn fascinating? If
you go on my spreadsheet, there's a place called
Era de... What is it? I'm looking at my notes
here. Sunken Plaza Era de Pando. It's a link
to my YouTube. So this, what we're about to see
is right across the valley from Corral. So all
throughout that valley are these sites from that
Norte Chico culture. Like right there on top
of this pyramid and just the drone footage is
epic, man. Wow. So I went on a mission looking
for these places. That's it. The thing about
this that is so compelling but also so unsatisfying
is that a lot of these stories you're never going
to get the full answer. No. You're never going
to get the full history. It's just the mystery
will never be satisfied. You're always going
to be hungry, you know, which is – is that –
for a person like yourself that studies these
places and has dedicated so much time to it,
is that in any way frustrating or does it add
to the appeal? Both. Well, I got a 6 ,000 -year
-old site. That's a good question. There's no
one there with you at all it looks like? No.
No one can stop you from – No, I... Whoa, look
at that. So this is you with a drone? Yeah, this
is just me. I actually spoke to... There was
an archaeologist who told me to go to that place,
and so I went, and I was the only one there.
Wow. So my whole thing was I identified most
of these places. through google earth first like
they're they're not labeled these places aren't
labeled at all that's crazy so these aren't documented
places this this is this one place right here
it's not on google earth though it's not on google
maps you won't see any marker of it but i was
able to do some digging because of the guy who
took me through the site i meet this random guy
luis luis is amazing he's a farmer right right
here i freaked him out He thought I was coming
to rob him because he gets robbed often, apparently.
Oh, boy. But he walked me through the site, and
he... This one, okay, if you pause it, that right
there on the bottom right is another one of those
temples with the sunken plaza, except that one
has monoliths. Oh, looks like Stonehenge. Exactly.
And nobody's done a study on astro... I don't
know that stuff. Alignment, right. But... I can
almost guarantee that there is some sort of astronomical
alignment. So what happened was archaeologists
did come back, did come here in the 90s, I think,
and it didn't look like corral. They weren't
going to be able to restore it, so they just
kept it as a, you know, to find dating on these
things. And it's from the same culture. It's
just a couple valleys over. Hmm. Do you have
any footage of the monoliths? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It'll come up if you fast -forward through it.
It's going to be back closer to where, yeah.
We walk up to it. There you go. Oh. Interesting.
So some sort of a stone circle of modelists.
I put it through AI. They're fairly small modelists,
though, right? I mean, some of them have been
buried and removed. Oh. So someone's got them
in their fucking house somewhere. Some of them,
yeah. Ugh. How much of that is a problem with
archaeology? I know that that was a giant issue
with Egyptian artifacts. A lot of wealthy people
in other countries would just get it imported
to their den and have a big fancy party. It still
happens. I will have to say that the... And and
I mean I've seen it with my own eyes looting
stuff I've never come across like it's somebody
in the field doing doing that would be freaky
Yeah, because they'll kill you dude. You're out
in the middle of nowhere and if they get caught
they're in deep shit so they would want to get
rid of you and I mean what a I know for a fact
the way some of these get out of the country
is some of these huaqueros have people on the
inside who write them certificates and things
like that that say it's an authentic piece that
has been owned by the family for this long so
they can get it out of the country to whoever
they're selling it to. That's how it works. What's
a bigger problem, though, recently after talking
to several archaeologists and witnessing it myself
is agriculture. Agriculture. I actually went
to I went to a couple sites that I found this
by mistake looking on Google Earth. So I would
find a site and I would like roll the satellite
date back because sometimes different seasons
give you better imagery. Holy hell. What exists
now is a quarter of what existed 10 years ago.
And now all you see is like plantations planted.
I mean, they have literally. paved over the archaeological
site to plan dude and that is it's become one
of the bigger missions of the channel and eventuality
because dude you don't know this site could have
aligned with that site could have aligned with
you have no idea and there's no documentation
of it there's no documentation because nobody's
going out there these places are far away you
know um but here here's another peculiar thing
this last expedition so i found one of these
sites and And I'm on camera and I'm ready to
go in like guns a blazing, like, how dare you
do this? How dare you erase this? And I get there
and I mean, it's crumbled stones, crumbled walls.
And it's just this woman on her farm. And so
I start talking to her. This wasn't corporate.
This woman has in fact did in fact write to the
Ministry of Culture to say, hey, I'm expanding
my farm. They didn't get back to her. So she
did it. you know, paved over or created plots
on half the archaeological site. So it becomes
a... I don't know what the right solution is
because I feel for this woman. She's actually,
she's not, this isn't corporate. She's just surviving.
She's just surviving. The corporate stuff, like,
pisses me off and I'll go hard on them. And I
do in some of my videos. And she tried to do
the right thing. by reaching out to the Ministry
of Culture. But what's she supposed to do, wait
10 years to get a response? Right. And then I
don't know how you empower these people because
from where I sit is at least if you could document
it, then you'd have a record of it. That's what
I'm trying to do when I go out there, create
3D models and put pins on a map or something
like that. So it's a tricky situation to try
to figure out. What's the most compelling site
in Peru for you? I wanted to show you this. If
you look in my video footage, Purulen Pyramids,
P -U -R -U -L -E -N. This site, I think it is
much more deserving of future study. It's a site
that has 16 platform pyramids. Wow. And what
does this site date to? Half my role here is,
like, I'll go out and find these places, and
then on the back end when I make these videos,
I go hard on the research. Like, I spend too
much. Sorry, which video was that? Pyramids Puru
Lin. Oh, I got it. That's just so you can have
a sense of scale. Thank God for drones, huh?
100%. Okay, so. That's a platform. So that is
the remains? So right back, if you look back
on the horizon, that's the coast. So this is
right on the ocean, which means this has been
inundated for millennia by tsunamis. It looks
like it. It really does, right? It looks like
it's completely washed over. Look at how the
sand is formed. and it's so i i kept that in
there that's the wind the wind is so i like i
messed up my first drone flying it here oh but
check this out i keep this in so you could just
there's another one oh it gets better man that
seems like a riverbed another that's it completely
seems like water's washed right over this whole
area I bet if you look at it from far above,
it's even more evident, right? Yeah, it was.
Yeah. Look at that. Wow. And they're all the
same. They all have the same shape. And what's
the conventional explanation for this place?
There was one study done on this, and it was
a brief survey in 1970. That's it? Yeah. Yeah,
that's it. However, the archaeologists who did
that survey, there's another one there, the archaeologists
who did this survey has been quoted in the past
30 years saying he always wanted to come back
here and do more research. He just never did.
It's not an easy place to get to. But what they
dated it at is, even in that report, that 1970s
survey, he's saying 1 ,800 BCE, but likely, look
at that. Here's something unique. If you pause
it real quick. All right. So I looked on Google
Earth, and those toward the top center, you see
those two block -looking things? All right. So
I thought they were megalithic. They're not.
All of these, all of these pyramids are carved
out of the bedrock. Wow. Are carved out of the
bedrock. And the only place that there were looting
pits are behind those two stones at the top.
In that little alcove of the mountains, that
was the only place. So I went there, and there's
bones there. So that's where people were buried.
And I'm like, why are they burying people here?
And I stand right in the middle, and it's facing
89 degree, almost perfect east -west, that little
gap. So that's where they were burying their
elite people. So where the sun would rise in
the summer solstice. Yeah. Now, how old is this
site supposed to be? So they said in that report,
he says 1800. They found one piece of pottery
that's documented. This is from a 1970 study.
Yeah. And so they're saying 1800 BCE. That's
right around when pottery started. But in that
report, he says it's likely older as well. He
thinks it's older. It needs more study. But that
was it. That was the only thing that was put
out there. I mean, this is 16 pyramids here.
And if you look in my drone footage, you'll see
it looks like there's another thing here, another
thing there. So it's in the neighborhood of 4
,000 years old, but possibly older. Correct.
And I think it is. I would stake everything on
it being found to be much older. Pre -ceramic,
pre -pottery. The pre -ceramic thing is nuts.
All right. So, like, here's the thing. What are
they using for utensils? What are they using
for plates? What are they using to put their
food on? And then if it is pre -ceramic, what
kind of tools do they have? And how are they
carving? How are they building these pyramids?
This out of the bedrock. I mean, imagine the
amount of effort it would take for a human being
banging a rock against another rock to try to
do that and then to make it flat. Are these things
level? I mean, this is the only modern... Most
of my footage is the only modern media. What?
In existence of some of these sites. That's crazy.
Of just you? Of that site. Imagine if you didn't
exist. Imagine if you weren't exposed to that
as a 10 -year -old. Yeah. I mean, that's... This
is just going to sit there for another thousand
years before somebody else figures it out? Yep.
Or it gets paved over. God. That's why I'm doing
it, man. God, it's so weird. But how weird is
that? How weird is it? It's just you. Raul, what
kind of weight on your shoulders is there that
this one fascinating site, you're the only guy
that's got video of this? Modern video? That's
crazy. Thanks for having me on. You're getting
kind of choked up about it. Yeah, man. I mean,
it's on. It's a lot of work, you know, and it's
just it's something in me that I've. Well, it's
it's obviously very compelling to everyone that
really pays attention to. Is this the. That's
when you look on the satellite. And again, this
is the thing. This is not like they put some
rocks in place. They carved these things out
of the bedrock and they're fucking huge. That's
what's so crazy about it. I just, I had to, I
mean, getting there was like, what are we looking
at, man? Like, that's the thing. Like, what are
we looking at? And why in Peru? And what happened
to this area where they had so much, so much
sophisticated, complex construction that was
absolutely abandoned and there's almost nothing
left? So they, over the course of history, what
they've found is that. People like to build on
the coast, and there's just up and down the coast
of Peru. There's so much. But then a major massive
El Nino would happen, and that just floods everything.
And so people are like, well, we've got to go
up into the mountains. So they start going further
into the valleys. Because Peru is so unique.
You have the coast, and then the Andes just start.
You know, they just start going up until you
get to, you know, the before you start getting
into the Amazon, you got to cross the whole Andes.
And so for several hundred years, they would
live further up the valley and then they would
come back and repopulate on the coast and build
on top of the sites that used to be there. And
then it would happen again. And they would go
back. And so there's this whole cycle of – and
there's some places where you will find that
direct – it's very hard to find megalithic stuff,
though, like the stuff you're finding in Cusco,
for example, on the coast. You don't really find
that type of architecture on the coast. You didn't
have that building material. You didn't have
stones like that. And so it's my belief that
– Some of these places existed further back than
we think. Like this place here on the coast,
the erosion and the wind and the water that must
have affected it. I have footage from what we
just saw was drone footage from this year. I
didn't get much drone footage the year before.
I could already see how much has been covered
in one year. In one year. from from having gone
there again and and it's just imagine over millions
of years thousands of years how crazy if you
had to just take a wild guess with no one holding
you to this at all how old do you think we're
talking about here i think there's uh i i go
back pre the Young and Dryas, there's evidence
on, like, Guacaprieta that there was this mound
that was carved out of the bedrock that Tom DeLahaye
and his team excavated and that academically
accepted dates back to 12 ,500 BCE. And so there
were people living on the coast at that time.
So this mound, what does that look like? There's
a... It looks just like a... This is an interesting
sight. That's it. What am I looking at here?
That mound. That's not a natural mound? No, it
started off as natural. And so what they found
was they would use their refuse. And so they
would put trash on top of the mound and then
cap it with, like, adobe mud so it would become
strong. It would become a platform. And then
they would build on top of it. So it's a trash
mound? Part of it. How weird. That wasn't an
uncommon thing. And that's more than 15 ,000
years old. And what is that? They have writing
from there? No. What's that, cloth? That's cloth,
like fishing nets. Oh, I see. It's one of the
oldest pieces of cotton. So you ask how they
were carrying things and all that with the cotton.
But the cotton was coming from further inland.
It wasn't coming from them. So even back then,
they were... So here's the kick. And this is
part of like the paper I'm thinking I'm writing.
There's evidence at that place, Huacaprieta,
of a sunken circular plasm. And that predates
all the ones we saw by even by 2000 more years.
I think this is where that tradition started.
Wow. I think that's where it started far earlier
than anybody. accepts or knows. Now, here's the
weird one. How do those people get there? Dude,
you know, I've thought about this. I mean, look,
if you're building these structures 6 ,000 years
ago, 11 ,000 years ago, 15 ,000 years ago, when
did you get there? When did you get there? And
there's, yeah, there's the plaza. So, I mean.
I don't think it takes much. I think if you're
living on the coast or, I don't know, by any
sort of water and you see a piece of wood floating
on it, you're like, oh, all right. Well, then
a thousand years go by and you have, at that
point, put some pieces of wood together to make
a flotation device. You're able to navigate.
I don't see it not happening. Eventually. Right.
Especially with crazy people. Right. Someone's
got the courage to just. sail out there and hope
you have enough water on you. Or you're fishing
and you get stuck and there's a storm and it's
like, whoop, and you could never make it back.
But I think that's happened in multiple places.
I don't think that civilization is born and created
without, A, that sense of exploration, but also
that natural ingenuity. I mean, storms happen
and you see a log floating in the ocean. Well,
I can use that to go catch more fish. Yeah. All
of a sudden you're seafaring. It's just when
you see stuff like this that's that old, that's
15 ,000 years old, you go, okay, well, this is
all that's left from 15 ,000 years ago. What's
left from 30 ,000 years ago? Because it's like
double that, right? Right now you look at 15,
there's almost nothing. It's like, God, it's
so little, but you get it. But if you went another
15 before that, are we talking? What is that?
And that's why I'm like with the stuff Biondi
is doing with the SAR tech, I'm just hoping that
that can be affordable and applied in multiple
areas to find things that are buried underground.
One thing that I've always been curious about
why there hasn't been more research until I looked
into it. All these places were on the coast of
Peru. Well, sea levels were lower at one point.
And so what's right off the coast of Peru? Right.
And there haven't been many, if any, studies
on that. I'm like, why? Apparently, the Humboldt
current makes it very difficult. This is what
I read because I was like, why hasn't anybody
studied this? Apparently, the Humboldt Current
makes it very difficult to do research out there
where it becomes very expensive for the equipment
you need and things like that. But I guarantee
that you'll find some stuff off the coast. Yeah,
it just makes sense. Yeah. Especially if you
find that. I mean, especially we know that sea
levels were far lower, especially if that really
is 15 ,000 years ago. We definitely know that
sea levels were lower then. Yeah, it wasn't like
this. It's crazy, too, man, because Tom Dille,
he got so much shit from the academic community
for his research down in Monteverde and this
site. Which is interesting how consistent it
is. It's still going on today, the same way.
And they're always wrong. Right? You would think
you might want to have an open, just leave some
room. The young archaeologists are. I think there's
a lot of young archaeologists that have grown
up with the internet and they're really paying
attention to this stuff and they're realizing
– and also when you're young and you grow up
with the internet, you realize like gatekeepers
of information are a real problem and they always
have been. And they're wrong about so many things.
I mean they're wrong about virtually everything.
The official narrative of almost everything has
holes in it. Something you said earlier too,
like – This age of study and exploration and
radiocarbon, it's not that old. We've only been
doing this type of research for 100 years with
some of the new advancements. You don't think
something else is going to come along that might
knock that out? Right. You don't want to leave
room for that? Right. It's kind of dickish. It's
very dickish, but no need to focus on the dicks.
But that's why things like Filippo Biondi's work.
is so devastating to the narrative because this
new technology, and if it shows that it's accurate,
and it is accurate on things that we know exist.
That's where it gets really crazy, especially
when they looked 1 .2 kilometers through a mountain
to find the particle collider underneath and
got the exact dimensions and a map of this particle
collider. It's wild. Right? So they know that
it's accurate. So what are those pillars? What
are these 20 -meter, In diameter, what are these
things? And why would you not want to divest
all the money you can possibly do to figure that
out? I think it'll happen. And I think one of
the reasons why it's going to happen is because
of the internet, is because just the pressure
and the amount of interest. And also, think about
Egypt, right? Egypt... A large portion of their
economy is wrapped around the tourism. Yeah.
Because the tourism in Egypt is phenomenal because
it's one of the most incredible sites in the
world. Wouldn't you want it to be even more incredible?
Like what's more incredible than some unknown
mystery of spectacular proportion? Something
that goes a kilometer deep under the pyramids
and they don't know what it is? Like, this is
nuts. Also, those shafts that go down that are
filled with debris now that they can clear out,
and it leads to what at least this data shows,
tunnels and caverns and all this shit that's
underneath there. Like, what is that? That's,
I mean, and Ben has done phenomenal work putting
that together. Oh, he's incredible. I love that
guy. The history and the story and the accounts
of being in these labyrinths. And he's another
guy that got into this because of the internet.
I mean, he had a real career in tech. He was
like, okay, I'm going to throw this out to be
a YouTuber. I forget who I was speaking to. My
goal is to document as much as possible before
it's not there to document. I mean, it's crazy
to be on here. My channel, I still feel like
it's in its infancy. Well, I only found out about
it a while ago. I want to say four months ago,
five months ago, something like that. You know,
I started seeing some of your stuff online, I
think on X. And I started looking at it on YouTube
and I was like, yo, this guy's going deep. How
did you fund all this stuff? I mean, how do you
have the money to go and do these things? I went
broke the first expedition. This was a total
field of dreams. If you build it. I'll see what
happens. And fortunately, I mean, people saw
the work I had been doing up until that point.
There were some GoFundMe donations, which was
amazing. The fact that, I mean, just thank anybody
out there, just thank you. Like the people who
believe in what I'm doing, like that's what fills
me up the most too, like the encouragement and
the support from. from people I don't know, you
know? Well, the content you provide, though,
is so fascinating. And it's so interesting to
people like myself and other people that are
really interested in it. It's just a matter of
getting you exposure. So the content is so amazing.
It's just a matter of... People have to find
out about it. And then, I mean, YouTube's a great,
the algorithm on YouTube is so good because it'll
recommend, I'll watch one of your videos and
it'll recommend something else interesting, you
know, and then it just keeps going on and on
and on. Well, and so I came back from that first
expedition. I was there, the first expedition
was 23 days. I had two terabytes of footage.
And it's funny, that footage lasted me a year
and a half until this expedition. Now, and I
was out on this last expedition for 42 days all
over the country. And I mean, the video you were
talking about when we first started talking.
That that is to the only there's no drone footage
of that site ever. There is one Facebook post
with pictures and that's it. And I was like,
I have to document this, you know, and. So much
from the last expedition is like that. It's the
only media that you'll see of it. The fact that
these pyramids carved into the bedrock, that
you're the only one that has media of that, is
just absolutely insane. What are we looking at
here? I'm just digging around the area. Oh, yeah.
This is a mummy lady cow they found in 2006.
They call her, she might have been the first
female ruler of the area, the Cleopatra of South
America. These are pictures of her tattoos. Oh,
whoa. So actually what's interesting is it is
being, there's a lot of evidence to say that
some of these early, early cultures were matriarchal
because they're finding a lot of the tombs of.
these queens right there on the coast. The sorcerer.
Yes, this one pyramid in this area called El
Brujo, where Huaca Prieta is. Yep. They found
this dope totem. Whoa. And so I believe this
was the Moche. El Brujo, there are... These paintings
are on the wall. Whoa. Yeah, I have a video on
YouTube about those. That's cool, too, because
you see paint. So you realize that these things
were very colorful. Oh, yeah. Naked prisoners,
and that this is a recreation of what it would
have looked like then. Those are prisoners? Yeah.
So the actual thing I thought was cool here,
too. Why are they painting their prisoners? That's
weird. I mean, everything was painted, though.
This was where people... I mean, why are they
making depictions of their prisoners? You know
what I mean? Not that they painted it different
colors, which is kind of cool, but it's interesting.
Like, how old is this supposed to be? Anywhere
from 3 ,000. This was a very interesting part.
3 ,000 B .C. is what they say it goes back to,
but they say it wasn't developed until modern
day, like 200 to 600 A .D., which is 3 ,600 years
of nothing. So I believe it was the Moche culture.
1990 this one was found, and a Peruvian banker
is the guy. It says it's Philanthropy. Philanthropically
minded, I can say it. Right. And the Huacheros
are the ones who told him about it. And so that's
– a lot of these places have been found because
of Huacheros being reported. All of a sudden
there's an influx in a little village of silver
or something like that. And then somebody tells
the authorities. They figure out where they're
going to dig. I mean there's a – There's a good
book on it, The Lord of Sipan, where archaeologists
literally had to, like, stand guard. The townspeople
weren't happy that when the archaeologists got
involved and the townspeople were coming to get
the gold and coming to get the silver. And so
there's a whole book about it. I don't know why
nobody's made a movie on it. That makes sense,
though, right? Because it's life -changing if
they can find hundreds of thousands of dollars
worth of gold and silver in the ground. Buck
these archaeologists. Well, and some of the earliest,
a lot of this stuff you'll see in the museums,
like the Larco Herrera Museum, and a lot of this
stuff, a lot of the pottery is preserved because
you had these big plantation owners, these big,
you know, technocrats, and their workers in the
field would constantly be finding this artwork
and these huacas. And so they were like, you
know what? I'll give you $2 every time you bring
me one. And now we have the Larco Herrera Museum
full of this stuff. And I was talking to Dr.
Ed Barnhart about this. There's also so much
in Peru that the people finding these things,
they aren't – maybe nowadays they're making a
lot on stuff. But for the past couple decades,
there was just so much. You're getting $3 for
– If you're a Peruvian worker in the field moving
this thing up the ladder, you're getting $3 for
a little piece of pottery. How long have you
been doing this for? I mean, what I've been with
the channel, two years. That's it? Two years,
yeah. And what were you doing before that? A
video editor. And so you just said, you know
what, I'm going to just take a leap of faith?
I was posting these things I was finding on Google
Earth and I was saying, like, I think this is
something, this is why. I came up with this whole
methodology and people were like, you're full
of shit. And I was like, you know what? Let's
see. And I went and 100 % accuracy. Every single
place I saw on Google Earth that did not have
a label was an archaeological site. Every single
one I went to. And that first expedition. I went
to 90 in 23 days. 90? That was the first expedition.
I was there for 42 days this time. Wow. So, like,
I've got five terabytes worth of video footage
of things nobody's seen. That's crazy. Yeah.
But just, I mean, imagine again. What if you
didn't do this? That's what's nuts. That's what's
nuts. Like, we would be completely ignorant about
this stuff. Yeah. Yeah. It just makes you wonder,
like, what was, like, those stone pyramids carved
at the bedrock, the only UF footage of it, what
was that culture? What were they doing? And all
I have to go off of is what this, what made me
happy is, like, and I have it on the video, if
I'm talking to the camera, I'm like, I think
this, I think that, I think this is carved. And
that survey verified every little thing, which
was pretty cool because I'm not academically
trained to analyze these things, but I have the
experience. And so it was kind of neat that every
bullet point was verified by that survey. The
feeling I got going to that place, that place
in particular, I don't think they're going to
find pottery there. I don't think they're going
to. I think it was pre -ceramic, but I also think.
There weren't houses. There weren't. There might
be, you know, if you go digging or do some LIDAR.
I think it was a place of pilgrimage. That's
just my personal. I have nothing to back that
up. That's what I felt, though, kind of. Pilgrimage.
Kind of like when I was walking there. I don't
know, man. Peru is weird. The energy in Peru
is different. In what way? I want to say spiritual
because I don't have a different word for it.
It's just you're just in tune with something.
I mean, maybe it's just the nature. But, I mean,
I feel different down there, and especially going
in these far -out places. And when you get to
some of these sites, like, you feel a little
different. And so just kind of the intuitive
impression I got was I wonder if people were
coming here as some sort of pilgrimage because,
I mean, there aren't houses there. There's no
evidence of people living there. But is that
because of time? It's very possible. That's the
problem when you're seeing something that's the
amount of work. That would take to carve something
out of bedrock like those pyramids. And how many
of those pyramids did you find? There were like
16 of them. 16? Yeah. Okay. They're huge. Huge.
They're carved out of the ground, out of rock,
with what? Here's the interesting thing. In that
survey, I didn't know this, and I tried to pinpoint
the location. That main pyramid I was on, there's
a black and white photo from 1970 where they
found a carved out room. In that main pyramid,
there's a – and it looks like a room. It's been
human carved out. So there's chambers in some
of these things. Why aren't we studying it? Right.
Why haven't we gone back in? Also, how? Like
what are you using to – Right. Like what kind
of tools do you have? 6 ,000 years? Like what
tools were available? And it's so close to the
ocean, you might not ever know because a tsunami
comes and it's taking it right back out. Right,
right. And if it's metal, it's gone anyway. It's
gone. Same with, I think, also, like, I think
that little alcove where all the burials were,
I think that got preserved because it was behind
this mountain. I think if there was any civilization
there prior that might have been living there,
all the bones that were there, they're gone.
They got taken back out. Of course. And probably
all the structures, any houses, if they had wooden
houses. On top of the land. Yeah, gone. Nothing
left. And so all you're left is with this strong,
who knows if those things were bigger too, you
know? Right, right. Who knows what was on top
of those things, right? Exactly. That's nuts,
man. The thing that gave it away on that site
in particular is when you look aerially, every
single one of those pyramid structures is facing
northeast. Every single one. And that's for the
sunrise on the solstice. Right. And I was like,
this is man -made. This is man -made. And there's
still people on the comments who are like, that's
just a mountain. And I'm like, dude, what more
do you want? They think that those things were
just. Oh, yeah. They don't think those things
are man -made? Yeah. They're the same shape.
Yeah, I know. The same shape, the same size.
They're all pointing in the same direction. Shut
the fuck up. I've learned not to fight. You're
going to believe what you want anyway. You know
what I mean? It's the history. I mean, Graham
Hancock has the greatest phrase, that we are
a species with amnesia. And I think it's true.
And I think it all points back to not just the
Younger Dryas impact, but probably several other
impacts. You know, my friend John Reeves, he
lives in Alaska and he runs the Boneyard. Yeah,
yeah. John just sent me some photos of a new
site that they have that's under all these other
sites. Like deep under all these other sites
where they're finding not just bone but charred
bone. Like an entire area of like burnt tusks,
burnt bones covered. And he thinks there was
another impact. An impact. And, you know, just
– I mean he's just making a rough estimation.
Because some of the sites that he found, it's
somewhere around 10 ,000 years ago due to like,
you know, doing the examination of the cores.
Yeah. He thinks it's 20 ,000 years ago. So he
thinks this is probably a normal thing that has
happened all throughout the history of the earth
is the earth gets pelted every 10 ,000, every
20 ,000, whatever. We just get hit. That speaks
to the myths and the legends and the dryas and
the yugas. I mean every civilization has its
version of. This is the fifth epoch or the fourth
epoch. The first one was fire. The last one was
water. There's always several cataclysms. The
yuga stuff is nuts too because it just seems
like it's so accurate. And we are in Kali Yuga
right now, which is the age of deception. And
what's more confusing – that's what it's called,
right? Isn't it called the age of deception?
Find out what – so – What's more, if you thought
that it was all falling apart before it gets
rebuilt, that's now. This place is fucking crazy.
Every day the news is nuts. I've gone on a social
media hiatus over the last few days, and I feel
so good. I decided two days ago I'm not going
back. I'm like, I'm not going back. I'll go back
to post things. I'm never reading it anymore.
I'll find my news. People send me enough stuff
as it is. My friends send me things. I don't
have to click on them, but I know what's going
on, like what craziness is happening. You just
feel better when you don't do it. I've been sucked
into the Nazca mummies thing, sucked me into
the back and forth on X. It's toxic. It's so
toxic, man. So toxic. So toxic. And it's like
at the end of the day, people are going – Look,
you can have all the evidence saying this one
thing and everybody agrees. You're going to have
this group that is like, well, no, for this reason.
And it's the same thing on the other side too.
And so it's just this – social media is this
– what I'm seeing is just this weird loop of
confirmation bias. And bitchiness and anger and
arguments and infighting and attacks. And I just
think that it's – altering the collective psychological
foundation of our society i agree with you and
that's what's weird and that's what makes sense
when you see like crazy protests and crazy people
online it's like everyone's getting there's something
that's happening to them well what's this one
thing that exists with everybody it's social
media use yep and And I think – I don't know.
It's hard. I try to stay away and then I found
myself like last week after I made like these
videos just for the social media sphere as an
example. Like I was getting pulled into it. I
felt myself. As somebody who has not engaged
that much, I was like something has shifted.
And like I was ready to – Get defensive and take
things personally. And I'm like, this is an attack
back. And I was like, this is just continuing
the cycle. And I don't want that. I don't want
that in my life. I don't need any of that. So
I just stopped, you know, and but the level of
defensiveness, the level of attacks, the level
of and it's not even at some points, it's not
even just taking things personally. The attacks
are personal sometimes. It's like, what are you
supposed to do other than not engage? Yeah, you
can't engage. I say post and ghost. That's my
strategy. I like it. That's my strategy. And
then even then, I'm telling people to stay off
of it so they're not even going to read my stuff.
They're listening to me, but that's okay. It's
okay. It's like you find out enough. You find
out about the important things and find out about
shows that you enjoy, and then you subscribe.
And then when new episodes come out, you're like,
ooh. Yeah, yeah. And so that's what I've been
doing, and it's a much healthier way. The one
thing that doesn't – and Jelly Roll was – Tell
me this. Like, you know, he got off also. He
had no phone for like 18 months. No phone at
all. Wow. It was crazy. Yeah. Like I'd contact
him through his guy that was running his social
media. Sounds like a healthy choice. Tell Jelly
I love him. Tell him I said what's up. And then
recently he got a phone like over the last few
months and only uses YouTube. He's like my YouTube
because I learn things. I get interested in things.
And that's how I feel, too. Like I really enjoy
YouTube. There's so much interesting content
on YouTube about everything. I mean it's just
like – We're living in – I mean this is an incredible
age where – I mean I feel fortunate for what
I'm doing that there's an audience for it. And
there's a platform that can allow that to have
some reach because some stuff deserves the reach.
Well, what you're doing is very important. It's
very important. Just the fact that you are the
first guy to get media of those – structures.
That's crazy, man. I mean, it's really kind of
crazy. You're a video editor. Two years ago,
you decided to do this. You're the first guy
who's documenting these things. And then we're
showing millions of people right now. Kind of
nuts. Like how few people know that there was
some kind of a complex society that understood
the equinoxes, pointing their structure toward
it, and not just building them with mud and bricks,
but carving it out of the bedrock in a similar
shape. Over and over and over again. And that's
just what you found. Like, imagine how much hasn't
been found. Dude, you just look at the aerial
stuff and... I mean, Joe, I can't... That's just
the tip of the iceberg, man. Like, of the content
that... I mean, I'm going to places in the middle
of the desert and seeing an adobe wall peek out
at this one little section. And then I put the
drone in the air and you can see the outline
of this whole structure. Just a little bump in
the sand. And no one even knows it's there. No
one even knows it's there. What happened to all
those people? That's what's nuts. Dude, that's
the, like, when I say cradle of civilization,
I mean, this was, I don't know, whatever's bigger
than a cradle. Well, that's what makes sense,
right? Because if you think about the Ice Age,
and if all this stuff is pre -Ice Age or during
the Ice Age. That area is not covered in ice.
And it's one of the few areas around the equator
that's not fucked up. And it's one of the few
areas where people can thrive. So it really makes
sense that that would be the area where civilization
would not just thrive but reach very high levels
of sophistication where they're able to carve
into the bedrock these massive pyramid structures.
There is interesting evidence that – I forgot.
I was watching. It was on like Discovery or an
NGO or something. There's evidence in like the
Okukahe Desert. I mean, they're finding another
dark trafficking, illegal trafficking web is
like the sale of fossils because they're finding
whales in the Okukahe Desert. I was waiting to
find a good point for this. They found that they
were using whale vertebrae as stools. So they
found this giant. Dude, I want those for my bar.
Dude, that's awesome. I did not know that. In
2023, they found what could be. Dubbed the most
heaviest or the heaviest animal ever. Whoa. I've
been in touch with that guy's nephew. Colossal
blue whale found outside of Peru. Each vertebrae
weighs 220 pounds. Yeah, the whole thing, the
ones they found, 200 tons. And so, like, as you
were just saying, if they're not buried under
tons of ice, then these people could, in theory,
have found. you know lots of these giant holy
in the desert yeah something else i'm stumbling
across i didn't get into it blue whale poop this
apparently got some something interesting to
it what's the deal with blue whale poop how do
you go on these deep dives in the middle of the
podcast jamie you're a wizard dude you start
seeing stuff like that whoa having a poop neon
green i'm just imagining these giant 200 ton
Poops. Poops. And then what you could, I don't
know, it's red? Oh, God. What are these people
doing with poop? They also think that they could
have been eating in a different way. They're
just sweeping up shrimp and shit from the bottom
of the ocean. Right. I'm just picturing what
this looked like in the year zero, where there's
a bunch of giant whale bones all over the coast.
And who knows what other octopus or whatever
the fuck else. What happens to that poop when
it fossilizes? But no, they're finding that.
I mean, there is a dark web of trafficking for
looking for stuff in the Okukahe Desert where
all these prehistoric animal bones are. They
found dinosaurs and stuff there too. And again,
is it just wealthy people that want it for their
homes? Is that what it is? The stuff I've seen,
it's... I mean, really, that guy and a few other
people just kind of going out there illegally
looking for stuff. But it has to be valuable
for them to be willing to do this, right? So
who's buying it? Wealthy oligarchs. Where are
these fucking people? I never met one of them
that has some stuff like that. I want to go over
someone's house like, hey, you want to see some
shit? You got a whole museum right there. That's
probably how you wind up on a list. But, I mean,
there's still – There's still so much out there.
And I mean, if I just like some of the structures
I was talking about, like you literally see a
whole adobe wall. You see a whole temple complex.
You see the remnants of a circular plaza. I mean,
there's there's another. If you go to the undocumented
temple on this on the spreadsheet, this is undocumented.
No Ministry of Culture sign. It's not on the
Ministry of Cultures. database of archaeological
sites. How did you find it? Using Google Earth.
Wow. And so here's the thing. All right. So circling
back, we had that Norte Chico culture with the
sunken plazas way down here. We have this. So
that, well, that's, that's what I saw on Google
Earth. No, go ahead. Continue. Okay. So, so you
have the Corral Supe culture down here and then
you have the. They found that sunken plaza underneath
archaeological sites in Chasma, way up here.
So you have these two different, and they're
saying they were separate cultures. I think they
were the same. How far apart are they? 200 kilometers
or miles, I forget. So what I was like, I was
like, well, is there a connection between these
two? So I looked in the valleys in between, and
I found this. With a temple, with a sunken circular
plaza. You just found it. Found it on Google
Earth. Yeah. And then I went and I needed help
from one of the guys in the field. And a lot
of the people in these pueblos, they'll know
every now and then you'll get lucky and someone
knows the history. Every now and then. More often
than not, it's, yeah, there's some ruins right
over there. And that's it. That's the extent
of their knowledge. And so that was one of these
occasions where the guy was like, if you just
go this way and that way. Because I was looking
for it. I had it pinned on my map, but I was
getting lost. So I go and I find this place.
And lo and behold, it's a sunken circular plaza,
temple structure. I go up on top. There's pottery
there. You can see where the huaqueros have dug
things out. There's walls. And it's just unexcavated.
Nobody surveyed it. There's no documentation
of it. It's just there. Wow. Can I see it? So
that's what I saw. This is what you saw on Google
Earth. Yeah. Okay. And so you're just looking
in between these two areas. Oh, and it's also
facing north -northeast too. That also told me
that it was probably something. Okay. And then
you see this? This you find on Google Earth?
That's right next to it. And then you went. And
then I went. What, are you renting a car? How
the fuck are you doing this? Yeah. What happens
if you bring these cars back? They're like, where'd
you go? Yeah. I have some pictures of driving
out in the desert, man. Okay, so this guy's helping
you? Is this the guy, a local? Yeah, he was just
working in the field there. Okay, so these are
the fields. And he tells you where this stuff
is, so all the locals know where this stuff is.
And then pretty soon I start walking up to it.
And this is completely undocumented. And you
can see the plaza there. It's all rubble. So
something happened, some earthquake. So I'm walking
up to the top of it. So right now it just looks
like rubble. It doesn't even look like it was
a building. Right. From the ground at least.
So many places I'm like standing right in the
middle of the. Right in the middle of a site.
I don't even know until I put the drone in the
air. Oh. I think it's coming up here. You'll
see a, let's see. It should come up here shortly.
There you go. Okay. So. Clearly. Underneath all
of that is rooms. Right. So you see the bricks.
A piece of pottery some of the walk arrows took
out. Wow. But that was evidence to me. So underneath
this whole thing are walls and chambers and rooms.
And you just found this on Google Earth. And
it's the same style as that Corral Supe culture,
the early one from 3 ,000 to 4 ,000 years ago.
It's just so hard to believe that this is unexplored.
And not just that, undocumented, and that you
just find it on Google. Thank God for, shout
out to Google Earth. You know, Google Earth deserves
some props. I mean, seriously, yeah. Crazy. I
mean, who would have ever thought? People asked
if I use like advanced satellite stuff, and I've
only used Google Earth so far. Look at this.
Clearly, some sort of a civilization was there
that just got obliterated. So this was weird.
I don't know. It was just a cactus in the middle
of it all. It was very strange. Cactuses are
tough. I still don't know what to make of that.
They can grow anywhere. That's what's weird about
it. But it is weird. There's only one. Yeah,
in the middle of it. Yeah. But so there's pottery
there. I was wondering if there was one more
cactus directly aligned with it. Other San Pedro
cactus down there? Yeah. So these people were
probably doing something. Something with the
old psychedelic cactus. I've got a place to show
you. Because San Pedro cactus is where you get
mescaline, right? Yes. Yeah. Makes sense that
if they have these temples and they have, if
there's a pilgrimage, there's probably some sort
of a psychedelic ritual involved. Look at this,
man. What does it feel like to just find something
that no one even knew existed like this? It's
got to be a trip. I'm like, thank God I was right.
Spent 14 hours getting to this place. Thank God
there was something. But there have been times,
too, where I'll get there, and Google Earth hasn't
updated itself, and there's a plantation planted
over some of it. Do you ask the people what used
to be here? If there's people around. I mean,
sometimes. Like I said, you can kind of tell
when it's corporate. The infrastructure in the
area is different. But that's the other thing.
There's nobody monitoring this. I was like, what's
the solution? Do you pay somebody to call the
Ministry of Culture when somebody's coming in
with bulldozers leveling things? And what would
they even do? Probably the people with the bulldozers
would just pay them off. Either pay them off
or... Dude, at that corral site, Ruth Shady,
she was shot by land traffickers. The archaeologists
responsible for discovery, land traffickers were
trying to take over the site, and she was shot.
She was killed? She wasn't killed. She was shot.
I mean, she's as recent as a few years ago is
like we're still not getting protections from
them. They sent us one security guard to patrol
the perimeter. These land traffickers, man, like
and it's for agriculture. It's for agriculture.
It's not for looting. Looting is a happy byproduct
for them. It's for the agriculture. Squatters
issued death threats to archaeologists discovered
oldest city in America's. The oldest city in
the Americas. And you're getting one rent a cop.
Wow. They called the site's lawyers and said
that if he continued to protect me, they would
kill him along with me and bury us five meters
below the ground. And she's 73. They killed our
dog as a warning. Oh, God. They actually, I think
it was, because when they excavate, they do it
in seasons and stuff, and there was one season
where land traffickers had started building on
part of the site. in the off -season from digging,
so they had to deal with all of that. I mean,
it's crazy. It's like the Wild West, man. Wow.
Any other sites to show us that are particularly
compelling? I mean, dude, there's... I know.
We could go on forever, but... If you look at
Chavin, C -H -A, it's just on the media hard
drive. So we're talking about underground structures
and hallucinogens and stuff like that. This place,
Chavin. Now, this is a known archaeological site.
And how old is this place? I think 2 ,000, right
around zero. Look how far down it goes. How deep
does it go? This is nuts. Right? And this is
just one part of it. Whoa. And this is 2 ,000
years old, at least. At least. Wow. So they won't
let you film in the other section. It kind of
looks like this. Why won't they let you film
there? Because there's something called the Lanzon
monolith. And if you look that up, Jamie, L -A
-N -Z -O -N monolith. So that's it. So they won't
let you film in there because too many people
go in there and take pictures and the flash supposedly.
So they just, yeah. The flash. Dude, but when
I went in there, the security guard was right
behind me the whole time. He knew I was going
to try to take a picture. Yeah, but you could
take a picture with no flash now, especially
with like the new iPhones and Samsung phones.
You could take some really high resolution photos.
The guard said not enough people know how to
turn it off on their phone. Oh, boy. So, but
when you walk in. Flash is fucking it up? That
seems crazy. That seems like voodoo. Doesn't
it? Doesn't it? It could do it to paint and stuff.
Come on. There's no paint on that fucking thing.
And it's behind a piece of plexiglass, too. That
sounds like they're just control freaks. Like,
fuck off, dude. They make a reason for sure just
to tell people. So the whole thing about this
place, you saw how deep we went underground.
It's in a comparable place with these hallways.
And, Joe, I'm completely stone cold sober. That's
what it looks like? As soon as I walked in underground.
Something hits you. It's... The air is different.
Dude, I don't know how to describe it. And how'd
you feel? Lighter and a little messed up in the
head, man. Really? Yeah. Do you think it was
a lack of oxygen? It's possible. Because it seems
like you're deep, deep, deep underground, probably
limited oxygen because you've got these caverns
and just got a hole to the top. I mean, honestly,
I wonder if it's built on some sort of, I don't
know, like the sacred energy or Delphi with the
gases or something like that. I don't know. Getting
gassed in there? All I know is that when you
go in. Show me that totem again, that monolith.
What they found is. They found evidence of rituals
happening there, like plates with hallucinogenic
plants or substances. So people were going down
there to do these rituals and do this space.
I mean, if you're going to go on a trip, that's
the place to do it. Right. It's just, you're
in an enclosed space. The acoustics are so weird.
It's trippy, man. What is that image on that
thing? It's a jaguar. There's a whole bunch of
imagery here. That's like the fanged. So for
a while they thought this culture, the Chavin
culture, was responsible for the onset of religion
in Peru. They called it the mother culture for
decades. And you see this fanged deity. Dr. Barnhart
talks about it a lot, this jaguar -looking deity.
They thought it came from there. But there's
actually places that I went to where you see
it on the coast for older. So it actually kind
of flips that whole – it's not the mother culture.
But their influence and their reach was extreme
throughout the Andean world. So they were responsible
for – that's when like religion took – and iconography
got a major influx right after Chavin culture.
They had it before but not like this. So that's
what's on that statue. Wow. Yeah. It's just so
ridiculous. They won't let you take a picture
because of the flash. That's so good. Somebody
should talk to them. Hey, man, shut the fuck
up. That flash doesn't do anything. Devotees
would be leaded to the maze of pitch black tunnels,
eventually coming face to face with the sculpture.
The worshippers' disorientation, in addition
to the hallucinogenic effects of the San Pedro
cactus they were given before entering, only
heightened the visual and psychological impact
of the sculpture. I mean, that's... God, people
are weird. They must have had it lit up with
fire or something fucking sweet. Yeah. Dude,
just going in there stone cold sober and feeling
affected, I can only imagine what it was like
being on San Pedro. Is that the weirdest place
that you've been to in Peru? Sacsayhuaman seems
to me to be the most bizarre because just the
size of the stones. Oh, yeah. I mean. Like how?
How? I mean, how? I don't know, man. What are
you guys doing? How'd you do this? How'd you
figure out to make them interlocking in a way
that if there's a seismic impact, they stay put?
How? How'd you get them there? How do they look
like marshmallows? Yeah. It looks like they're
melted. I've gone on some deep dives. It's funny
on that. Yeah, look at that. Fuck, man. The big
ones on the bottom, like, how? And it's the style
of them, too, which is so different where, as
you said, it looks like marshmallows. They're
melted into place almost. Like, look at that
one big one in the center. What the hell is that?
How big is that? I forget, but they go up to
200 tons, I think. That's got to be bigger than
200 tons. Don't you think? Probably. Look how
small those people are, and those people are
in the foreground. Get those people right up
next to that thing. They'd be tiny. Well, maybe
it is 200. I don't know. But either way, fucking
nuts. That one up there. You know how rounded
these things are. Yeah. And you can't get a piece
of paper. The only way they've been dislodged
is because of earthquakes. I mean, like it's.
Bro, look at the size of that. And look at the
way they interlock. You can tell when you get
up close, there is this reddish residue. Oh.
There's so much red. You can see there's often
reddish residue. So they were painted at one
point in time? No, I think it was in the Spanish.
The indigenous people will tell you that, and
actually Percy Fawcett wrote about it in his
journals too, like this bird that would take
a leaf, a red leaf, and peck it into the rock.
After a little bit of time, it would create a
hole in the rock. It would kind of melt the stone.
Actually, the guy from the video, that unregistered
megalithic site, told me the same story. Okay.
I know what you're talking about. Right. There's
a specific type of plant that has like an acid
to it. An acid. And I've started to – I like
Dr. Barnhart's theory. And there's also a paper
on it, a peer -reviewed paper by Helmut – tributes
where he talks about look if you mix if you mix
pyrite from the offshoot of one of these inken
mines with this with this plantish material you
can create like an acid that will slightly deform
the stone So maybe you would set the stones in
place that way? Secrets of softened stone, the
lost techniques of the ink from Facebook. So
you know it's true. No, no, no. But George Lira
was – I did a whole – some of my early videos,
man, are like research papers. Like I went on
a deep dive with all this. And the Spanish chroniclers
talk about seeing gold in between some of the
stones. But this guy also, Helmut Tributsch,
who wrote the paper, says, what if it wasn't
gold? What if it was pyrite fusing the stones,
helping to fuse the stones together with this
paste? Look what it says there. It says, the
technique to carve and shape the stones remains
a mystery. According to legends, the gods would
have gifted the Incas two magical plants, coke,
so coca leaves, which allowed them to withstand
pain and physical exhaustion, and another plant
that allowed them to soften stones. Soften stones.
But you see that red residue in between them.
That also makes sense. They did so much work.
They're all coked up. Fucking making these dope
pyramids. When I was a kid, this was the picture
I clicked on, but that didn't pop up. Oh, that
can't be real. No, I've seen that. That's an
artistic creation. If you pull up... Do you want
to stay on Cusco or go to one other place? It's
up to you, dog. Whatever you want to do. Let's
go to Tunnels, Cusco. Dude, this whole part of
the Andes, yeah, there's tunnels everywhere,
man. Like, it's not just what they're doing.
So you're climbing down into this tunnel. Now,
is this a naturally formed hole? Some of it.
Some of it? Okay. On the way out, you'll see
when I'm going in, there's steps. Those were
actual steps that were built. But these things,
dude, you can't get to the end. You can't find
people. There are stories where kids get lost
in these things and never found. Oh, fuck. So,
again, these look like natural caves. Right.
Some of them have been carved out. So it's a
combination of both. It's a combination. So probably
there was some natural caves and then they started
carving things out. Well, the whole thing about
it was... This gets weird. So this is the steps?
Yeah, coming up on the right. I mean, it just
keeps going on. Oh, I'm not going in there. There's
the steps. Jamie, can you imagine you and me
outside the door going, uh -uh. You go first.
I'll follow you. That's how my catch -what guide
was, man. He was just filming me. Fuck you, bro.
I'm not going in there. I was like, I'll go in.
There's probably demons in there. That's like
that movie. What was that movie? The Descent?
The Descent, dude. That movie's great. Dude,
I love that movie. That movie's great. I watched
it a while ago. I was like, 2005? That's wild.
That's an old movie, yeah. They did a Descent,
too. It's not as good. Yeah. It's okay. It's
not the best. But this one was awesome. Yeah.
One of the best horror flicks I've ever seen.
And there's another one, huh? Oh, fuck that hole.
Did you go in there? Please tell me you went
in there. Of course I did, Joe. Of course I did.
With your Pillars of the Past shirt on. Oh, my
God, dude. I don't even think I would fit in
that hole. I got a little scared because coming
out wasn't easy. I was just reading about this
guy who died in one of those holes. A guy was
a cave crawler, and he got stuck trying to get
out. He got in head first and then could not
get out. And was just stuck. Died there. Dude.
Like that? Like that. Couldn't even scream because
his chest was compressed. Oh, God. Yeah, I mean,
there's some stuff I've done I'm not going to
do it. He was at an angle like this, you know,
and just couldn't, there's no way to get back
out. That's terrifying. Ooh. That's terrifying.
You know how that never happens? You don't go
in there. You don't go in there, you never dive
in a cave. You never dive in a cave. I'll take
that into consideration. All right, before we
wrap this up, anything else you want to show
us? All right, one more site. Okay. Chisnery,
the C -H -I -S. Which one? There's four videos.
Let's just do the drone footage and then inside
tombs. So this place, I had no idea places like
this. It's just me and my guide. Dude, the people
I met on this, it's just by happenstance. He's
the president of the community there, the little
compassino. Took 12 hours out of his day to walk
me through this place. That's cool. That's another
build it and they will come thing, right? It
really is. You just go out there and you'll find
the right people. Or they kill your dog. Yeah.
Okay. Ooh, the paint's still on it. It's actually
not paint. It's mud. It's different colored mud.
That's what he said. Now in that next video,
we're going to walk up to them. Whoa, skulls.
The sky people? Do you know? No, the Chachapoyas
were much further north. These are elongated
skulls. You see that skull, right? Yeah. This
is in the Cusco region. Wow. What the fuck, dude?
Yeah, man. Why are all these dead people in that
hole? Whoa! What's going on in there? These were
where they would bury their deceased. They'd
just chuck them in a hole? No, they weren't like
that. So this is all just looting? This is looting.
This is all looting. Fucking skulls are everywhere.
This is crazy. It's wild, man. This is like a
horror movie. This is like the beginning of a
horror movie before it gets dark out. The guys,
these archaeologists, it's probably you. You're
out there. In the movie, you'd bring a girl with
you. You have to leave this place before the
sun goes down. 100 ,000%. Bro, you're going to
hear voices. You're going to hear dead languages.
No camping in the valley. You don't have to be
a gangster to fucking take a nap in there. Ghost
hunters should definitely go there. Oh, yeah.
I'll get Sam and Colby to go down there. I bet
they won't do it. That's real ghosts. This is
all from looting. Wow. So they just dug these
people up, stole whatever. Yeah, that's a spine.
Yeah. Fuck, man. God, there's so many bones.
That's nuts. It's crazy, man. That's nuts. Well,
Raul, I'm happy. I'm so happy that you made that
decision a couple years ago to just follow this
passion. And the content that you put out is
really incredible. And the fact that you've been
able to find these sites that are – heretofore
undocumented it's it's really amazing man it's
it's amazing i'm happy you're doing it and uh
i really enjoyed having you on and uh for everybody
who wants to watch it's pillars of the past it's
on youtube um do you put videos up on x as well
i do i have started putting videos up on x and
um you know my website's going to be up and running
soon it's going to be a place if you You know,
if you find places and want to put it on a map
and, you know, if Jamie wants to comment on it,
then he can comment on the pin you put. I'm trying
to build something because people send me stuff
all the time. Right. Have some sort of a thriving
community of people that are interested in the
same thing. Absolutely. Well, there's an interest
for this stuff now. I really credit Graham, Graham
Hancock, I think, because he was the real pioneer
of this when people just thought he was a loon.
I remember people would make fun of me for reading
his book in the late 90s. They'd make fun of
me. Like, what are you reading this bullshit
from? Why don't you go to a real history class?
That's not fun. No. This is fun. This is fun.
It's fun to think that we don't know what happened,
but that something happened. And Graham puts
in the work. He does. I mean, just look at the
citation section. He puts in the work. Of course.
Yeah, he's an amazing human, you know, which
is why they have to lie to discredit him. When
he put that material out and then I think the
Netflix show really started opening up the gates
to people exploring this stuff more and just
being fascinated by it and then seeking out content
like yours. We're really fortunate now. There's
quite a few really good shows that are on YouTube
that document this kind of stuff. These are real
mysteries. There's real mysteries when it comes
to human history. And to me, it's one of the
most fascinating things. I agree with you. I
love it. So thank you so much for doing what
you do. And get out there again and let's come
back and do another one of these. I would be
happy to. Just a few plugs. I'll be speaking
because of all this, which is just amazing. I
still feel like everything's in its infancy,
so I'm humbled by the opportunities that keep
presenting themselves. But, like, the Quest for
Ancient Civilizations conference in Sedona, and
then it's actually going to be here. Of course
it's in Sedona. It's going to be here in Austin,
too. Of course it's here, too. Two kooky places.
ACL Live, I think, is there. Oh, nice. Okay.
It's an amazing venue. That's going to be in
Austin. october uh and then i'm doing a tour
with mike collins from wandering wolf in the
yucatan and with hugh newman we're doing a let
me ask you about that what do you think about
that sage wall because he's the guy that goes
over the sage you think it's a natural formation
i think it's more likely more like the way i
operate is i'm i tend to remain skeptical i i
would like multiple pieces of There's also similar
things nearby that aren't as spectacular that
are natural, right? I believe so, yes. Yeah,
there's something about the geology of the area.
And I found places like that in Peru as well.
I mean, I'm waiting for it. They've done LIDAR
studies of that stuff. For me, just to have one
wall, I personally need more than just that.
And, I mean, I found some of the stuff like that
in Peru, and I'm very hesitant to say this is
megalithic architecture. It needs more study.
For people that are interested, just to let you
know, there's a lot of AI images online. And
when you go to look for the sage wall, sometimes
you're confronted with ones like, oh, my God,
that for sure is man -made. But then it's not
a real image. Someone's created an image or doctored
the image to make it look a little bit more man
-made. I will say, Mike Collins has done a ton
of work on it, so if you want to see the original
footage, it's on his channel. Very, very interesting
footage. I mean, I go back and forth. Depending
on how old it is. So that's the thing. If you're
talking about something that's 30 ,000 years
old, maybe that's all that's left. I forget.
They found that it goes a lot deeper than something
like that. Which makes it more interesting. Which
makes it more interesting. Like, let's see. Keep
figuring it out. There's one in Texas, too, that
I haven't found a good answer for. Yeah, I've
heard of that. 200 to 400 ,000 -year -old wall?
I think a guy in 1925 claimed that and probably
just got people to pay attention and come visit.
But I don't have a good answer that I've come
across on what it is or how old it is. Go to
that one below, to the right of your cursor.
Right here? To the right of it. Right there,
yeah. Look at that. Huh. I will say, though—
That could be natural formation. I mean, the
Earth does a lot of weird things. That's not
convincing to me. No, can I put it back up again
now? But I'm aware of it. I'm just like, I'm
looking at that extraterrestrial. Shut the fuck
up. Extraterrestrials do a way better job. They
might have built the pyramids. They didn't build
this. Fuck out of here. It was shitty fucking
scab labor. Cobblestones, yeah. Yeah, got non
-union guys just came in. I'll do the job for
cheap. They got their laser beams. Oh, wait a
minute. That looks real. I think that's the guy
I found when they found it. Oh, that looks like
a wall. I've seen four versions of this picture
and one's in color. It's so hard nowadays. You've
got to put in some work to find the truth. Yeah.
That is weird. But that doesn't look real. That
looks like it's just the strata. But it's not
consistent all the way through. What the fuck
do I know? Again, I don't even know what we're
looking at. Who knows? That's here in Texas,
right? Yes. Yeah. Maybe we'll go one day. Pillars
of the Past, YouTube, awesome. Thank you. Really
appreciate you. It was a lot of fun today. I
really enjoyed it. Appreciate it. All right.
Bye, everybody.