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Experience. Train by day. Joe Rogan Podcast by

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night. All day. Raul. Joe. Very nice to meet

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you, brother. It's so good to be here. I have

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enjoyed your content tremendously online. And

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I really got into a video this morning that I

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was watching where you found this megalithic

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site that was undocumented in Peru. Incredible

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that they still have these ancient sites that

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for whatever reason, it seems like the money

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that they get gets stolen. Like the money that

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is supposed to be allocated towards documenting

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these things and registering these things. People

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just say, fuck it, I'm going to pocket it. It

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happens a lot more than you think. It's just

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hard to believe, man. Some of the stuff that

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you document is very heartbreaking. Like one

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of them was when you flew a drone over these

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ancient ruins and you showed the amount of places

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that have been looted. Oh, yeah. And it's just

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all of it. It's just you see these holes. And

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when I first saw that, I'm like, what is what

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is he showing me? And then you're like, these

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are all spots where someone has dug in and looted

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and most of it has been done. In this area of

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Peru over the last 20 years. Over the last 20

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years. So from 2006 to 2026, more. I would have

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the biggest amount of looting happened. It's

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actually died down some. But the end of the 20.

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So 1980s to 2010s, I would say. That's when it

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really. Like when it really took off. And you

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can tell from the trash that's left there, like

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cigarettes that were only produced in the 80s,

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soda bottles that were only produced in the 90s.

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How nice of them to steal the artifacts and leave

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trash. They've become landfills of human remains.

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This place you're talking about is, I mean, it's

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eight full kilometers of just... It looks like

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the moon. Every single location has been looted.

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And I was like, I got to go up there and see

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what this looks like. Pull up to the microphone

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a little bit more. So looting, what are they

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at that point in time? I mean, these are hundreds,

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thousands of years old, these sites. So what

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are they finding? Well, a lot of the mummies

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that I've found, mummies that have been torn

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apart literally. The cotton that they're wrapped

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in, the textiles that they're wrapped in, I mean,

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it's just, they've been scavenged. Are they looking

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for jewels? Or for some sort of metallurgy, like

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on the person themselves. The unfortunate thing

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is, I mean, all you'll see is, you'll just see

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these bones littered across the landscape with

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broken pieces of pottery. That was also disturbing,

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how much bones you see everywhere. So this is,

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you see a bone right there. these are all human

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bones that you just find scattered that's all

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cotton and what we're about to see here is an

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actual mummy that's been torn apart this is it's

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so sad that there's no protection nobody's going

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out there man nobody Except for the looters.

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But I know very little about Peru other than,

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you know, obviously the Nazca lines, the mummies,

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all these different things, the mystery of the

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place. Can you show them that, please? The video

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is over. Oh, it's over? There's a couple burial

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drone shots. But it's just... You go to the top.

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How big is Peru? I don't even know geographically

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how large it is. I mean, Peru is huge. I mean,

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it takes up, this is another, this is a different

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looted site. So this is all, this, all of this

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is in the Paracas Nazca Ica region. And these

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skulls are just sitting there? So the looters

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will oftentimes leave, I don't know, set them

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up in this fashion. There isn't a site I've gone

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to where I haven't seen something like set up

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like this. In the end. But so I pull out to show

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the scale of it. I mean, every little piece of

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white you see is some part of a human. Wow. It's

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tragic, man. Just so much history lost. And so

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does this stuff wind up in private collections?

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Do museums ever get it? Like what happens to

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that stuff? I don't think museums get it at all.

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It's private buyers. I actually met a – the term

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is huaquero. It's a grave robber. I actually

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met one in Miraflores in Lima proper at one of

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the artesanales where they're selling ancient

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goods. Well, some of them have real things that

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they go out and they loot. I mean that – this

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is one of the things I've been thinking about

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like for the future, like what – What can be

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done about this? Because nobody from the government

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is going out there. And so these things end up

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in private collections, textiles, humans, pottery,

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things that you would see in museums. It's just

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nobody from that official administration is taking

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the trip to go out there and preserve these things.

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It seems like just the ancient civilization of

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Peru is a massive mystery. It seems like there

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are a lot of uncovered stories. In that area.

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Peru is a hot spot. And it doesn't seem like

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there's an incredible amount of research being

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done other than by independent people. archaeological

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sites so the money and i just the money it would

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take to fund research on all these places is

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just extreme it's extreme um i think there's

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a lot of history that that goes missed uh because

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because of what's currently happening but a lot

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of times a lot of the research is focused on

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what's going to bring tourism right Like Machu

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Picchu and things along those lines, which is

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also insane. Phenomenal. It's just incredible.

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Like that place is like what, why, how? Why did

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you build it up here? Fucking nuts. A good friend

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of mine just actually went, just recently took

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his family up to Machu Picchu. And he's like,

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it doesn't even make any sense, man. Dude, Machu

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Picchu is what started it. My family's from Peru,

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and so I would grow up going there. And I have

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this old. Back when you were filming with cameras

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with, like, a videotape, there's footage of me

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finding seashells at Machu Picchu. What? When

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I was, like, 10 years old. Back then, you could

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go wherever you wanted. You didn't have to stay

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on a path. And for people that don't know, Machu

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Picchu is, like, what, 12 ,000 feet above sea

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level? Yeah. And so I'm a kid. I mean, I still

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have the grainy footage, and I'm showing my dad

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on the camera. I'm like, Dad, Dad, look, I found

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seashells. They were like glinting in the mud

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in the wall. And so I took them out. And that's

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what started this whole process for me. I was

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just like that. It blew my mind that there were

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seashells way up there. So I studied about earth

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cataclysms and ancient history and when sea levels

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were different. And that is a moment that started

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kind of this whole path for me. How old were

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you at the time? 10 or 12. Wow. Wow. How many

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times have you been there since? Well, growing

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up, we used to go every year and a half or so,

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and that's continued into my adulthood. It's

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only been recently, the past two years, that

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I've been doing what I've been doing, which is

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like hardcore solo expeditions. And so when you

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look at a site like Machu Picchu or any of these

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ancient sites, what is the timeline that conventional

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archaeologists attribute? I mean, they attribute

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it to the Inca, which, you know, late 1400s,

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early 1500s, I think the Inca were conquered

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by the Spanish in 1530, I think. And so most

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of that megalithic architecture they attribute

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to the Inca. However, there's evidence that there's

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a site, Jamie, if you could pull up, it's called

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Vinyake. This place is... There's megalithic

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architecture with precision that goes down 50

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feet under this mountain. Check this out. Whoa.

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Whoa. This is crazy. So I believe they filled

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in the top in modern times. There's mortar at

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the top. And very soon there's going to be a

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guy who shows us a map. Wow. And so you see very

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different construction styles. Very different

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construction. From the bottom to the top. But

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that's how it always is, right? The most complex

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stuff. So that's showing that this architecture

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here, it goes down 50 feet. Into this mountain.

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And what do they think this was? So this complex

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is all attributed to the Wari. It's attributed

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to the culture that came right before the Inca,

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which doesn't make much sense to me because what

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you see on the surface, that's Wari construction.

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Which is small stones. Right. What are they held

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together with? Mud mortar. Mud as mortar. So

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this site has only been 4 % excavated, 4%. Underneath

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all of it is that type of architecture, which

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is crazy. So you have mud and mortar with very

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small stones, and then underneath it you have

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precision -cut megalithic stones. Yeah. And how

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big are these stones and where are they supposedly

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coming from? So here's a funny story. If you

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look, you can find it on Google Maps. You know,

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they call it the El Complejo de Wari, so the

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Wari Complex. But if you go back to the Spanish

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chronicles, Pedro Cieza de Leon, when he was

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in Tiwanaku, so Tiwanaku where Pumapunku is in

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Bolivia, when they asked the natives, you know,

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who built this, they said, we don't know. It

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was built before us from the people from the

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lake. The same people who built Vinyake. That's

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what the natives said. That place, Vinyake, is

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800, 1 ,000 kilometers from Tiwanaku. And it's

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the same construction. So it makes sense kind

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of what they're saying. The people who built

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Tiwanaku also built this place. But before they

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knew that, they didn't witness it. It was just

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there when they got there is what the locals

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said. Well, that's a lot of stuff, right? That's

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part of the weirdness of South America. Yeah.

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And, you know, even Mexico, right? Yeah. That's

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the weirdness of the Aztec structures. I didn't

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know that until pretty recently that the Aztecs

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labeled, like, Tenochtitlan, the place where

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the gods were born. I didn't know that. Yeah.

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I didn't know that. Like, they don't attribute

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that to themselves. To themselves. They found

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it when they cleared the area. I mean, you think

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about it, I've... Still to this day, you know,

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I was up in Lake Titicaca and I mean, there's

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structures all over the place, but you're like,

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where were these people living? And because there's

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no remnants of cities or towns. And the reason

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is, is because in modern times, people have recommissioned

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the blocks and started and use them for their

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farms and their homes and things like that. You

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have a good location, a place of reverence, a

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place you're going to. Build the next the next

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culture is going to build on it, you know, and

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I think that's happened a lot in a lot of places.

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Yeah. Well, everywhere. Right. I mean, that's

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Lebanon, too. That's Baalbek. It seems to be

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the case that those. Those immense stones where

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the Romans built on top of them. The Roman documentation

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is pretty precise. They documented everything.

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They never talked about these enormous thousand

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-ton stones that are seven meters up in the air.

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And we're just going to put them in the base

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of our structure. Yeah, like what? They didn't

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even talk about them. They talked about these

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beautiful structures that are on top of that

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are clearly Roman. But the stuff underneath it

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just defies logic. And some of the stones that

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were never moved and put into place that were

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cut and quarried but just never moved. 1 ,600

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tons? Like, how? And things you can't replicate,

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you know, nowadays. That's what's crazy. Like,

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with modern machinery, we can't do it. I mean,

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it's—I've always—when I started this path, you

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know, I was— You know, Fingerprints of the Gods

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was one of the first books I picked up. Me too.

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My dad had it in his library. And that set me

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off on a course. The inability to be able to

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– I don't know. I don't buy the mainstream. It

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feels a little bit – Lazy the the response is

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that that the mainstream kind of gives to some

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of this stuff As opposed to just saying I don't

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know it's purposely ignorant It's more than lazy

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because if it was just lazy, I mean they've been

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confronted by all this other alternative archaeology

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evidence and all these other people that have

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like explored these things and shown. And there

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was always the conventional wisdom that there

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was no society back then that was capable of

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doing this. So they had to attribute it. to more

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recent societies. Until Gobekli Tepe. Yeah. Then

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you're like, okay, you guys need to shut the

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fuck up. I mean, there's a power in admitting,

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like, if we're looking for the truth here, then

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it's like, okay, we got this evidence that disrupts

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this that we thought before. All right, just

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say that. Right. You know what I mean? They just

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say it. It's fascinating that they can't because

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they are like every other form of academia. They

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are just like – I mean you might as well be talking

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to a gender studies teacher. Just like they don't

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want to look at reality. They just want their

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narrative and they want to be the gatekeepers

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of information and then they just want to push

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that narrative forward. And they're so mean.

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Dude, it – I only started recently being on X

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within the past year and I'm just like the cattiness

00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:48.070
of it all, man. Well, it just exposes them. It

00:15:48.070 --> 00:15:51.309
exposes their personality. And they're just not

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the type of people that I want to talk to about

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anything. Especially, you're not the gatekeeper.

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If you're a 41 -year -old person, you're not

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the gatekeeper of ancient history. You can't

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be. There's too much. There's too much all over

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the world. It doesn't make sense. None of it

00:16:05.990 --> 00:16:08.029
makes sense. And that's, I think, why they're

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so terrified of people like Filippo Biondi. scans

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underneath the pyramids. Because if he's right,

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and it appears he is, over 200 different independent

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scans. And they all say the exact same thing.

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If he's right, you guys are fucked. Because you're

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going to eventually have to say, we're wrong.

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You have a moment here where you can choose which

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direction to go. Pretty soon that moment's going

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to be lost. But it's like this is what the evidence

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has presented. And like you said, it's verified

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over 200 different studies. It's like, all right,

00:16:44.700 --> 00:16:49.139
we might be wrong. Let's see. They don't want

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to do that. They're still digging their heels

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in and they're just discrediting themselves,

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which is fascinating. It's really interesting.

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It's really interesting to watch these assholes

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just like flounder. Well, and it makes me think,

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you know. What's the reason behind it? Is it

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pride? Is it ego? Is it because you wrote some

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books on it that you need to keep selling? Is

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it because it's in textbooks that universities

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use? I mean, there's a lot of layers to it. It's

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all the above, but you can tell just by the way

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they communicate online a lot of it is ego. Yeah.

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Yeah. A lot of it is ego and just really bad

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personalities. You know, these people that are

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accustomed to never being questioned, accustomed

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to being in the hierarchy of academia where,

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you know, you have these tenured professors and

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then they have the people that are coming up

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under them and they all follow the same sort

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of rigid structure. And so any heterodox thinkers,

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anybody who comes in from outside the box, they

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just get shit all over. There's no open minded.

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I don't know if this is like a parable or something,

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but, you know, I don't know, some story where

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there's a truck going into a tunnel and it gets

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stuck and it's backing up traffic and nobody

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can get through. Everybody's trying to figure

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out what the hell, how to get this truck through.

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And just, you know, some farmer walks up and

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he's just like, take the air out the tires. And

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problem solved. And so. The inability to let

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other people come in with thoughts and opinions,

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it just – it really – I think it's a real detriment

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to the study of these things because in my approach

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to some of the places I've gone, I think it is

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that, yes, we have research. Yes, there is a

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level of understanding at a lot of these places

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what happened. But it's also that going into

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it with a fresh set of eyes. You know, sometimes

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I mean, I get so locked in my work. Sometimes

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I can't see outside of it. You know, sometimes

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it takes another party to come in and all of

00:18:49.289 --> 00:18:52.049
a sudden your mind is blown in a completely different

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direction. I don't see that level of openness

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to things on the side of a lot of a lot of the

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mainstream academia when it comes to this stuff.

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people have to really understand that the whole

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concept of being extreme academia is only a few

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hundred years old. And that's what's weird. It's

00:20:35.549 --> 00:20:38.950
like so these very recent structures, these very

00:20:38.950 --> 00:20:42.470
recent establishments want to be the gatekeepers

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of information of a vast swath of the world.

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I mean, it's not possible. It's not possible

00:20:51.769 --> 00:20:54.630
that you know everything. It's not. I was thinking

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about that. They know a lot. They know a lot

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about things they have discovered. They do. They

00:21:00.250 --> 00:21:02.529
know a lot about Mesopotamia. They know a lot

00:21:02.529 --> 00:21:05.910
about Iraq, all the amazing stuff that they find.

00:21:06.109 --> 00:21:09.549
Some stuff they've very accurately dated. But

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it doesn't explain things that you can't explain.

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And they want to try to just fit it. That's what's

00:21:18.630 --> 00:21:21.210
goofy. I mean, look, if the puzzle piece doesn't

00:21:21.210 --> 00:21:23.190
fit, stop trying to force it. Well, it's also,

00:21:23.250 --> 00:21:27.170
it's like more. gigantic, spectacular pieces.

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And you're like, well, those aren't important.

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I mean, Ben Van Kirkwick with this most recent

00:21:33.529 --> 00:21:36.029
discoveries where they're using the ground -penetrating

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radar to find the labyrinths and this 40 -meter

00:21:39.769 --> 00:21:43.029
-long metallic object that's inside of an atrium

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down there. Like, what is that thing? Yeah, I

00:21:45.769 --> 00:21:52.410
hope it's something. If they go looking, and

00:21:52.410 --> 00:21:53.789
I hope they do, and this is the other thing.

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It's like, let's start putting money towards

00:21:55.950 --> 00:21:57.910
this, like, now. You know what I mean? Right.

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Like, figure this out. I don't know why I thought

00:22:01.569 --> 00:22:03.430
of this. I think it might be a meteorite. If

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it's some sort of, like, metallic thing. 40 -meter

00:22:07.869 --> 00:22:10.170
long meteor. I know. I know. That's a fucking

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civilization ender. But imagine. The next civilization

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coming across that thing and hearing the stories,

00:22:17.019 --> 00:22:20.039
it's like, oh, shit, let's worship this. Let's

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revere it somehow and put it in an atrium. It's

00:22:23.140 --> 00:22:26.819
just my thought. Exactly. Exactly. This one's

00:22:26.819 --> 00:22:29.539
40 meters. Yeah, there's a meteorite at Mecca

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that they all go to touch, which is kind of crazy,

00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:35.359
right? But completely makes sense, right? Something

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comes from the sky and lands, causes chaos, and

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then you worship it. I mean, that also wasn't

00:22:42.869 --> 00:22:45.470
one of like King Tut's knives was made out of

00:22:45.470 --> 00:22:47.509
a meteorite or something like that. So they were

00:22:47.509 --> 00:22:50.089
finding these things. 40 meter one is pretty

00:22:50.089 --> 00:22:53.269
big, though. I know. But also tic -tac shaped.

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That's the other thing. I'm like, so when it

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comes, I'm just like, let's go. Let's go. Well,

00:23:00.670 --> 00:23:03.369
you know, that's part of the Bob Lazar lore.

00:23:03.750 --> 00:23:06.930
I remember. Bob Lazar said that when he was told

00:23:06.930 --> 00:23:09.089
that at least one of these things came from an

00:23:09.089 --> 00:23:14.190
archaeological dig. I'm like, what? What? What

00:23:14.190 --> 00:23:15.490
do you mean? He's like, that's what they were

00:23:15.490 --> 00:23:18.349
telling me. I don't know. But they told me that

00:23:18.349 --> 00:23:20.529
one of them was from an archaeological dig. So

00:23:20.529 --> 00:23:23.450
these things are really old. Dude, and his accuracy

00:23:23.450 --> 00:23:26.829
was something with the Element 118. 115. 115,

00:23:26.910 --> 00:23:30.289
something like that. From 1989, when Element

00:23:30.289 --> 00:23:34.289
115 wasn't even discovered until the 2000s. I

00:23:34.289 --> 00:23:38.430
mean. That's why when he's – I forget who I was

00:23:38.430 --> 00:23:39.990
talking to outside, but we were talking about

00:23:39.990 --> 00:23:41.890
– I think I was talking to Jamie about that,

00:23:41.950 --> 00:23:45.990
about Bob Lazar talking about some of these things

00:23:45.990 --> 00:23:50.250
coming from archaeological sites. Yeah. Let's

00:23:50.250 --> 00:23:52.289
go find it. Right. You know what I mean? Well,

00:23:52.309 --> 00:23:54.670
that's where it gets really weird. Where it gets

00:23:54.670 --> 00:23:58.369
really weird is these mummies. Oh, we're going

00:23:58.369 --> 00:23:59.450
to go to the mummies. What are you going to do,

00:23:59.589 --> 00:24:02.910
Jamie? Eric Burleson, our representative, talking

00:24:02.910 --> 00:24:06.599
about how he's – asked the white house to give

00:24:06.599 --> 00:24:09.680
dod the power to let them go see this stuff including

00:24:09.680 --> 00:24:14.660
that a buried ufo reportedly an object that is

00:24:14.660 --> 00:24:17.859
not in this country that is so large it cannot

00:24:17.859 --> 00:24:20.599
be moved uh that they've built an entire building

00:24:20.599 --> 00:24:23.279
around it and i think that i think uh either

00:24:23.279 --> 00:24:27.619
greer or another individual has actually mentioned

00:24:27.619 --> 00:24:29.460
this site but i'm not going to mention it because

00:24:29.460 --> 00:24:32.519
it is a classified location but there is a a

00:24:32.519 --> 00:24:35.789
really apparent there's reported A really large

00:24:35.789 --> 00:24:38.970
object. And that's one of the locations that

00:24:38.970 --> 00:24:41.670
I'm requesting to get to. It's going to involve

00:24:41.670 --> 00:24:44.650
a lot to get to make that happen. But that may

00:24:44.650 --> 00:24:47.849
be the final destination. Shit like that makes

00:24:47.849 --> 00:24:49.869
me want to run for president. Because that's

00:24:49.869 --> 00:24:51.349
all I would care about. The economy would be

00:24:51.349 --> 00:24:54.410
in shambles. I'd be like, show me the UFOs. Do

00:24:54.410 --> 00:24:56.730
you think they'd do it? Because I've heard that.

00:24:56.809 --> 00:25:01.259
No, they'd kill me. I mean on that need -to -know

00:25:01.259 --> 00:25:03.019
basis where they're keeping stuff from presidents.

00:25:03.700 --> 00:25:06.799
Kennedy got too close. I don't think that's what

00:25:06.799 --> 00:25:08.859
they killed Kennedy for, but I think there's

00:25:08.859 --> 00:25:12.619
a bunch of things. No, there's a whole lot of

00:25:12.619 --> 00:25:15.039
layers. Yeah, but the UFO people love to think

00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:17.500
that it's UFOs is why they killed Kennedy. But

00:25:17.500 --> 00:25:21.200
they think everything is UFOs. But it definitely

00:25:21.200 --> 00:25:26.500
seems like – I don't know about the evidence

00:25:26.500 --> 00:25:29.750
because it's just stories. And that's the problem

00:25:29.750 --> 00:25:32.950
is that a lot of this stuff – and this is how

00:25:32.950 --> 00:25:34.990
I feel when a lot of people come on the podcast

00:25:34.990 --> 00:25:37.809
and talk to me, supposed whistleblowers. Some

00:25:37.809 --> 00:25:40.309
of them I think are legitimate and some of them

00:25:40.309 --> 00:25:42.450
I think are disinformation specialists. I think

00:25:42.450 --> 00:25:45.190
they're designed to muddy up the water and this

00:25:45.190 --> 00:25:47.690
is – what they're saying is designed to muddy

00:25:47.690 --> 00:25:49.049
up the water and that's what they're trying to

00:25:49.049 --> 00:25:51.049
do. They're trying to make a lot of this stuff

00:25:51.049 --> 00:25:53.789
look silly and push certain narratives and just

00:25:53.789 --> 00:25:57.289
create confusion. And I think – A lot of it is

00:25:57.289 --> 00:26:02.170
probably some black budget, weird science stuff

00:26:02.170 --> 00:26:05.150
that we have. But then it begs the question,

00:26:05.250 --> 00:26:09.230
where'd you get that? Is that really like the

00:26:09.230 --> 00:26:11.430
Diana Pasolka work where she's talking about

00:26:11.430 --> 00:26:15.289
there? Essentially, these things are donations.

00:26:16.160 --> 00:26:18.259
And that we're supposed to take these things

00:26:18.259 --> 00:26:20.440
and try to figure it out. And then you look at

00:26:20.440 --> 00:26:23.039
some of the creation of some different inventions

00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:27.480
that happened very quickly after Roswell. Our

00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:32.539
civilization has just been on a boom ever since.

00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:36.660
Weird stuff. Like the fiber optic stuff and transistors.

00:26:37.099 --> 00:26:40.559
Just the history of the creation of the transistor

00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:43.480
and the people that were involved in it. It seems

00:26:43.480 --> 00:26:49.329
awful fucking fishy. I mean, I try to stick with

00:26:49.329 --> 00:26:54.190
evidence that I can make out tangibly, and it

00:26:54.190 --> 00:26:57.730
just gets so murky, like you said. All of this

00:26:57.730 --> 00:27:01.910
gets so murky that I don't know how the truth

00:27:01.910 --> 00:27:05.809
would even land, you know? Well, the truth would

00:27:05.809 --> 00:27:09.309
have to land if there was an overall comprehensive

00:27:09.309 --> 00:27:15.759
effort by all of the world governments. And there

00:27:15.759 --> 00:27:18.299
would have to be some sort of unity in this and

00:27:18.299 --> 00:27:21.740
some sort of like a recognition that this is

00:27:21.740 --> 00:27:24.500
really important for the entire human population

00:27:24.500 --> 00:27:27.859
to understand our past. And if this is nonsense,

00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:30.039
let's find out that it's nonsense. And if this

00:27:30.039 --> 00:27:34.500
is real, this changes everything. And when you

00:27:34.500 --> 00:27:36.940
look at – just look at the vastness of the cosmos.

00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:39.380
It's not outside of the realm of possibility,

00:27:39.619 --> 00:27:42.779
this stuff. either came from somewhere else or

00:27:42.779 --> 00:27:46.579
was here because they were here. That there was

00:27:46.579 --> 00:27:49.960
an advanced civilization here, whether it's our

00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:52.119
civilization or whatever the hell those mummies

00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:56.039
are. Because the tridactyl mummies are weird.

00:27:57.359 --> 00:27:59.920
That stuff's weird. We can talk about that because

00:27:59.920 --> 00:28:03.859
I went – I did a deep dive with my friend Will

00:28:03.859 --> 00:28:08.769
and there is – There is too much amok going on

00:28:08.769 --> 00:28:14.289
with these things for me to objectively say that

00:28:14.289 --> 00:28:16.109
they are what people are claiming them to be.

00:28:16.490 --> 00:28:20.890
There's too much wrong with the picture. Right.

00:28:20.930 --> 00:28:23.869
Well, first of all, a lot of them are fake. Yeah.

00:28:23.950 --> 00:28:26.920
For sure. Oh, yeah. A lot of them. People have

00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:29.480
seemingly created with a bunch of different animal

00:28:29.480 --> 00:28:32.359
bones. And human bones. And human bones. And

00:28:32.359 --> 00:28:34.579
pieced them together. But then there's the weird

00:28:34.579 --> 00:28:37.859
ones. You know, there's the weird ones that are

00:28:37.859 --> 00:28:40.119
mummified and they're in the fetal position.

00:28:40.140 --> 00:28:42.680
And you see a structure that doesn't exist in

00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:45.519
the human body. But it's complete with tendons

00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:48.519
and ligaments. And some of them have eggs inside

00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:52.519
of them. Joe, I'm telling you, man. Look, I want

00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:56.089
to believe. That you think it's bullshit? I think

00:28:56.089 --> 00:28:58.490
it is much closer to bullshit than it is reality.

00:28:58.490 --> 00:29:02.109
All of them? I think what we're dealing with

00:29:02.109 --> 00:29:06.410
here are real human beings from the past. They

00:29:06.410 --> 00:29:10.170
are ancient that have been put together. Will

00:29:10.170 --> 00:29:12.369
from Incredible History has done some amazing

00:29:12.369 --> 00:29:14.809
work with some amazing specialists. I mean, people

00:29:14.809 --> 00:29:17.289
at the top of their field on this stuff, looking

00:29:17.289 --> 00:29:20.390
at the x -rays and the DICOM files and calling

00:29:20.390 --> 00:29:24.569
out. calling out cuts, calling out incisions

00:29:24.569 --> 00:29:26.410
that were made, calling out why things don't

00:29:26.410 --> 00:29:32.690
make sense. And for me, the reason I put out

00:29:32.690 --> 00:29:34.549
my last video on the Nazca mummies is because

00:29:34.549 --> 00:29:36.490
there's this whole other narrative, too, of where

00:29:36.490 --> 00:29:38.650
the money is, who's making money off of these

00:29:38.650 --> 00:29:41.109
things. And I think that... Is there money being

00:29:41.109 --> 00:29:45.509
made off those little mummies? Please. You got

00:29:45.509 --> 00:29:51.400
something? Yeah. So I remember—I forget who you

00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:54.220
were talking to. It might have been Jesse Michaels.

00:29:54.880 --> 00:30:01.019
But I remember you saying, you know, these are

00:30:01.019 --> 00:30:02.759
one of the greatest art projects if they were

00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:05.359
fake. Right. Well, if you just scroll to the

00:30:05.359 --> 00:30:07.519
right here, this is what the— That's the goofy

00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:10.380
one. Yeah, but that's what the walkero is selling.

00:30:10.519 --> 00:30:13.279
He sent that to me personally, the guy selling

00:30:13.279 --> 00:30:15.440
these things, these goofy ass— So this is for

00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:18.900
people— You can't see it? There's a folder on

00:30:18.900 --> 00:30:21.519
there that has the pictures in the photos. These

00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:24.259
are the goofy ones. But what is the one that

00:30:24.259 --> 00:30:28.140
is the female that's in the— Maria. Is that what

00:30:28.140 --> 00:30:31.200
they're called? Maria is one of them. I mean,

00:30:31.220 --> 00:30:36.140
so Will had on Dr. William Morrison and Dr. Proctor,

00:30:36.180 --> 00:30:39.339
Dr. Wilson. I mean, like people in the top of

00:30:39.339 --> 00:30:43.930
their— in the top of their field analyzing these

00:30:43.930 --> 00:30:47.809
things. This one looks fake as fuck. Yeah, everybody,

00:30:47.990 --> 00:30:50.789
you can get this for $15 ,000. This comes directly

00:30:50.789 --> 00:30:53.190
from the walkero finding these things, by the

00:30:53.190 --> 00:30:57.809
way. Yeah. I did a little undercover thing trying

00:30:57.809 --> 00:31:02.269
to see what I could lure out of him. See, this

00:31:02.269 --> 00:31:06.569
is not particularly compelling to me. But it's

00:31:06.569 --> 00:31:09.710
in the same class coming from the same place,

00:31:09.769 --> 00:31:12.130
supposedly. The same group of people are providing

00:31:12.130 --> 00:31:17.190
these things to the – yeah, this is in the Ica

00:31:17.190 --> 00:31:18.529
Museum. This is where they're housed. What is

00:31:18.529 --> 00:31:20.589
it, Montserrat? Is that what the – Montserrat,

00:31:20.589 --> 00:31:24.309
yeah. Montserrat. So these are – again, these

00:31:24.309 --> 00:31:27.329
are not that compelling to me. The small ones,

00:31:27.410 --> 00:31:30.049
no. The big ones – so the big ones, though, are

00:31:30.049 --> 00:31:34.650
– Gosh, they keep coming out with new specimens.

00:31:34.650 --> 00:31:37.190
There's a new one, Antonio, who's a teenage boy

00:31:37.190 --> 00:31:40.309
except for his feet. His feet have arthritis

00:31:40.309 --> 00:31:45.230
in them, which indicates that they put the foot

00:31:45.230 --> 00:31:50.609
bones of another specimen on this thing. Now,

00:31:50.609 --> 00:31:52.710
what these doctors have done, look, and here's

00:31:52.710 --> 00:31:54.230
the thing. I mean, I want to be clear. I would

00:31:54.230 --> 00:31:57.880
love nothing more than. Of course. Peru to be

00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:01.519
the hot spot of some new species. I don't think

00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:03.619
we're alone. I don't think we've identified every

00:32:03.619 --> 00:32:09.259
species. But also, I'm not putting my money on

00:32:09.259 --> 00:32:11.779
these things coming out as authentic. I think

00:32:11.779 --> 00:32:13.839
they have been used with authentic bones, which

00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:17.940
is why they're getting the dates. I think that...

00:32:20.709 --> 00:32:23.690
Dude, I did a deep dive on this stuff. Please

00:32:23.690 --> 00:32:26.089
go. No, feel free. Tell me. Tell me what you

00:32:26.089 --> 00:32:27.990
found out. I initially wasn't going to make the

00:32:27.990 --> 00:32:31.710
video I did, but after spending days staying

00:32:31.710 --> 00:32:35.150
up doing this research, I couldn't not do it.

00:32:36.490 --> 00:32:38.670
And I found, like, I even watched the whole Gaia

00:32:38.670 --> 00:32:41.490
series on this stuff. And I found myself, like,

00:32:41.569 --> 00:32:45.109
getting entranced by the, like, maybe, maybe.

00:32:45.269 --> 00:32:48.849
And then also watching. The whole reason of putting

00:32:48.849 --> 00:32:50.250
this stuff out there is, like, look, make your

00:32:50.250 --> 00:32:52.829
own decision. But don't just take in the fantasy.

00:32:53.109 --> 00:32:56.109
Take in the other possibilities, too. And just

00:32:56.109 --> 00:32:57.809
have all the information before you make your

00:32:57.809 --> 00:33:01.170
decision. Well, clearly we know some of them

00:33:01.170 --> 00:33:05.930
are fake. Clearly. Clearly. Even people like

00:33:05.930 --> 00:33:09.029
me who want so desperately to believe. And it's

00:33:09.029 --> 00:33:12.029
also the corresponding artwork from the past,

00:33:12.230 --> 00:33:15.470
the three -toed, three -fingered artwork, which

00:33:15.470 --> 00:33:18.130
is weird. That is weird. And I saw some of those

00:33:18.130 --> 00:33:20.509
geoglyphs down there in the middle of nowhere.

00:33:20.890 --> 00:33:27.390
And then the whole thing with James Fox and the

00:33:27.390 --> 00:33:34.799
Brazil incident and that thing. The three -fingered

00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:41.740
thing is a weird thing in history. With these

00:33:41.740 --> 00:33:46.640
bones, I mean, I'm going to have to point you

00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:49.240
to some of the videos that these specialists

00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:53.339
have come out analyzing the files. But where

00:33:53.339 --> 00:33:56.900
the money is, is exactly what's happening now.

00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:02.660
We have this possibility. We're going to make

00:34:02.660 --> 00:34:04.099
a show about it. We're going to put out this

00:34:04.099 --> 00:34:08.199
new thing. It goes deep, Joe. The same doctors,

00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:12.199
the same specialists that are verifying currently

00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:15.739
the Nazca mummies have been on the same team

00:34:15.739 --> 00:34:19.659
for the past 20 years verifying other species

00:34:19.659 --> 00:34:25.619
and specimens, alien hybrids. Literally, my whole

00:34:25.619 --> 00:34:27.699
video, I'm just like, this is what he said in

00:34:27.699 --> 00:34:31.019
2007. This is what he said about this fake thing

00:34:31.019 --> 00:34:33.519
in 2012. This is what he said about the fake

00:34:33.519 --> 00:34:36.460
thing in 2017. And I put it back to back. So

00:34:36.460 --> 00:34:39.500
it's the same narrative. Same people. It's the

00:34:39.500 --> 00:34:42.679
same people, the same narrative. And so you think

00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:45.079
that the construction has just gotten more sophisticated?

00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:49.420
100%. 100%. They learn. What is that, the major

00:34:49.420 --> 00:34:55.159
one? Maria and Montserrat. Let's find Montserrat.

00:34:55.630 --> 00:34:58.130
And see the Jesse Michaels stuff, because he

00:34:58.130 --> 00:35:00.250
went down there and looked at them, and they

00:35:00.250 --> 00:35:05.369
did scans on the bodies. And then I have a link

00:35:05.369 --> 00:35:08.969
to, I think it's Dr. Morrison talking about Montserrat's

00:35:08.969 --> 00:35:13.829
feet, the x -rays of his feet, and pointing out.

00:35:13.909 --> 00:35:16.469
That's on the spreadsheet. Well, let's see that.

00:35:16.889 --> 00:35:20.179
I'd like to see that. Do you think that these

00:35:20.179 --> 00:35:23.679
are recent creations of old bones? Is that what

00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:26.099
it is? That's what I think. Okay. And how do

00:35:26.099 --> 00:35:28.699
you think they did it? Is there any speculation?

00:35:29.219 --> 00:35:32.980
I think that – so there are – So here's the –

00:35:32.980 --> 00:35:35.880
I'm going to cut them off. What's that, Jimmy?

00:35:35.980 --> 00:35:37.579
Just ask them a question. I cut them off. Oh.

00:35:37.739 --> 00:35:39.340
How do you think they did it? How do you think

00:35:39.340 --> 00:35:43.260
they did it? Well, I think that they – I think

00:35:43.260 --> 00:35:48.920
they've gotten very good with taxidermy. Right,

00:35:48.920 --> 00:35:50.840
because we've seen that before where you take

00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:54.219
an owl and you attach it to an iguana. In fact,

00:35:54.320 --> 00:35:58.719
in the research I did, there was this demon fairy

00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:04.059
thing in 2017. If you want to pull up my video.

00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:06.960
Let's start with this. We'll get to the demon

00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:12.500
fairy thing soon. This shit is wild. This is

00:36:12.500 --> 00:36:15.659
from a surface scan that was available. And I

00:36:15.659 --> 00:36:17.599
went in and just kind of removed some of the

00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:19.579
fuzziness so that I could highlight the bones.

00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:22.559
And one of the things, again, that you notice

00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:24.880
is that the joints have a lot of spacing between

00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:27.880
them. These are not joints that are in contact,

00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:32.780
so they're dislocated. Now, the main part here,

00:36:32.900 --> 00:36:36.380
the central area where the cuneiforms are in

00:36:36.380 --> 00:36:39.400
the cuboid, those articulate with five metatarsals

00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:43.219
normally. The way these are lettered, A would

00:36:43.219 --> 00:36:46.170
go with the big toe. And E would go with the

00:36:46.170 --> 00:36:49.849
little toe. And again, just like in Maria, those

00:36:49.849 --> 00:36:53.349
are missing. But the joints are not lined up

00:36:53.349 --> 00:36:57.150
properly. The shapes of the joints don't go with.

00:36:57.760 --> 00:37:01.139
the matching bone on the cuneiforms of the cuboid.

00:37:01.300 --> 00:37:05.119
That's exactly what I was seeing in CT. So none

00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:09.860
of the articulations of the metatarsal junction

00:37:09.860 --> 00:37:12.659
really made any sense. And some of the bones

00:37:12.659 --> 00:37:16.000
didn't even meet an articular surface at all.

00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:19.920
So that jumped out to me immediately because

00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:23.260
then my first question goes to how would that

00:37:23.260 --> 00:37:27.059
even be a functional foot? So Montserrat, that's...

00:37:27.369 --> 00:37:31.110
So that's, why does Montserrat have tendons?

00:37:31.110 --> 00:37:33.610
Click on that. Keep it going a little bit. Where

00:37:33.610 --> 00:37:37.989
I thought I saw the rays resection, because people

00:37:37.989 --> 00:37:41.010
were talking about there still being tendons

00:37:41.010 --> 00:37:43.849
and stuff intact. And I would agree that some

00:37:43.849 --> 00:37:47.090
of those metatarsals are, as Dr. Proctor pointed

00:37:47.090 --> 00:37:48.949
out, in the correct position, but then some are

00:37:48.949 --> 00:37:53.329
just missing. So if you wanted to elevate the

00:37:53.329 --> 00:37:56.679
illusion. One of the ways you could do that would

00:37:56.679 --> 00:37:59.059
be by performing a raised resection. And essentially

00:37:59.059 --> 00:38:02.840
that's a function conserving surgery where if

00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:05.179
you've had damage to your metacarpals or your

00:38:05.179 --> 00:38:07.539
metatarsals, they'll remove that metacarpal or

00:38:07.539 --> 00:38:10.760
metatarsal and kind of rearrange your fingers

00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:13.119
or your toes and the remaining metacarpals to

00:38:13.119 --> 00:38:17.699
keep your limb functioning. So her feet, Montserrat's

00:38:17.699 --> 00:38:19.380
feet were just a little bit different where I

00:38:19.380 --> 00:38:23.190
think they might have used more. complex procedure

00:38:23.190 --> 00:38:26.949
like that versus maria where her feet just looked

00:38:26.949 --> 00:38:31.090
more like um arts and crafts to my eye so and

00:38:31.090 --> 00:38:34.809
that's the so maria came up if these things are

00:38:34.809 --> 00:38:40.389
are hoaxes there is also if we're just going

00:38:40.389 --> 00:38:44.429
with that angle there's a clear evolution of

00:38:44.429 --> 00:38:46.710
the work that goes into them behind the scenes.

00:38:46.849 --> 00:38:48.710
Like, that one came out after the first one.

00:38:48.750 --> 00:38:50.469
The first one got called out on a whole bunch

00:38:50.469 --> 00:38:52.489
of things. All of a sudden, the next iteration

00:38:52.489 --> 00:38:55.989
doesn't have the same issues. Oh, right. They're

00:38:55.989 --> 00:39:00.719
correcting. Yeah. And that's actually... I forget.

00:39:00.820 --> 00:39:02.739
There was an archaeologist on X. He said that's

00:39:02.739 --> 00:39:06.300
very common in the world of fake antiquities.

00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:09.199
Like they learn once they get called out on something,

00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:11.239
they'll figure out how to make the pottery better

00:39:11.239 --> 00:39:13.420
or something like that. Is there a lot of money

00:39:13.420 --> 00:39:16.320
in this stuff? Yeah. I mean, apparently. Where's

00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:19.460
the money coming from? How does it? For me, it's

00:39:19.460 --> 00:39:22.920
not even in the it's not in the sale. The most

00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:24.719
money coming from this is not in the sale of

00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:27.559
these things. It's in the shows that come from

00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:30.369
it. It's in the series. It's in the subscriptions

00:39:30.369 --> 00:39:32.989
to get to the next season where they're going

00:39:32.989 --> 00:39:36.130
to finally reveal the truth about it. There's

00:39:36.130 --> 00:39:38.269
a lot of money being made in the background.

00:39:38.369 --> 00:39:41.230
And that's part of the deep dive I went on, like

00:39:41.230 --> 00:39:44.090
following the money. So who do you think is making

00:39:44.090 --> 00:39:50.030
them? Do you have a theory? I believe that there's

00:39:50.030 --> 00:39:55.360
actually. It was in my video and one of Will's

00:39:55.360 --> 00:39:57.960
videos. There was a grave robber, a whistleblower

00:39:57.960 --> 00:40:02.260
grave robber who was part of this team. And he

00:40:02.260 --> 00:40:08.380
shares how he was getting stuff for Mario, like

00:40:08.380 --> 00:40:11.320
the main guy. There's got to be a team of specialists

00:40:11.320 --> 00:40:13.300
working on this stuff. And, I mean, money went

00:40:13.300 --> 00:40:15.739
into making these things because money is going

00:40:15.739 --> 00:40:18.900
to come from it. Seems like a lot of money, though.

00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:23.199
Yeah. But you would think that that would kind

00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:27.760
of fall apart. I would. It is falling apart.

00:40:28.179 --> 00:40:31.820
But it is under scans. But I would say, like,

00:40:31.880 --> 00:40:35.159
someone would rat somebody out. These are unscrupulous

00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:39.760
people. So that's part of the reason I also decided

00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:42.159
to make this video. And a lot of the pushback

00:40:42.159 --> 00:40:45.380
on this stuff is like, oh, you don't trust, you

00:40:45.380 --> 00:40:48.880
know, Latin American doctors or anything. No,

00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:52.369
it's not that. Latin American doctors from Peru

00:40:52.369 --> 00:40:56.309
and journalists from – they're afraid to talk

00:40:56.309 --> 00:40:58.949
about this stuff because things can get violent

00:40:58.949 --> 00:41:02.250
down there surrounding this topic. Article from

00:41:02.250 --> 00:41:07.349
2012 about a mummy being stolen and it goes on

00:41:07.349 --> 00:41:12.590
to talk about – there's a – I said right at the

00:41:12.590 --> 00:41:14.429
bottom. The Ica Mafia. Yeah, there's a mafia.

00:41:14.809 --> 00:41:18.530
The Ica Mafia. And in fact, the guy Mario who

00:41:18.530 --> 00:41:21.039
– There you go. Officials have warned about the

00:41:21.039 --> 00:41:23.320
existence of a mafia dedicated to the trade with

00:41:23.320 --> 00:41:25.139
links throughout Southern America and Europe.

00:41:25.179 --> 00:41:28.539
And at the time, it was $18 million a year in

00:41:28.539 --> 00:41:30.760
stolen archaeological artifacts. Peru estimated

00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:32.980
it was being taken out of the country. So this

00:41:32.980 --> 00:41:35.099
is all going to, like, wealthy people in other

00:41:35.099 --> 00:41:37.340
countries that want to have these artifacts in

00:41:37.340 --> 00:41:39.960
their homes? Yeah. I've seen the text messages

00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:42.619
with some of the American buyers. Really? Yeah.

00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:45.760
So these guys are just like, come on into my

00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:49.590
den. I'll show you a mummy. What I'm talking

00:41:49.590 --> 00:41:54.570
about specifically was tapestries and it was

00:41:54.570 --> 00:41:57.769
actually the guy I met in the Artesanalis in

00:41:57.769 --> 00:42:00.650
Miraflores. And he showed me video. He was very

00:42:00.650 --> 00:42:03.590
open with me. He showed me videos of – because

00:42:03.590 --> 00:42:05.849
the buyers want to see provenance. The buyers

00:42:05.849 --> 00:42:09.329
want to see them pulling the artifacts out of

00:42:09.329 --> 00:42:11.369
the ground. Right. So they just bury them and

00:42:11.369 --> 00:42:17.070
then they just – Well, no. I mean – Mummy crowdfunder

00:42:17.070 --> 00:42:19.849
leaves archaeologists fuming. So there's a guy

00:42:19.849 --> 00:42:22.469
in London that's selling this stuff? Victor Wind

00:42:22.469 --> 00:42:26.469
Museum in London. Cabinet dedicated to dead people.

00:42:28.030 --> 00:42:30.130
And they were trying to get a mummy from Peru.

00:42:31.530 --> 00:42:36.150
Wow. What do you think is going on with the skulls?

00:42:36.150 --> 00:42:44.739
The elongated skulls? Jamie, I have a... I think

00:42:44.739 --> 00:42:48.539
that that's one I found. So here's one. You found

00:42:48.539 --> 00:42:50.860
that one? Oh, yeah. That's one of three I've

00:42:50.860 --> 00:42:54.539
come across. Now, there... supposedly there's

00:42:54.539 --> 00:42:58.139
a difference in the way the skull, you know,

00:42:58.139 --> 00:43:00.480
when you're a child, what is it called? The sagittal

00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:05.719
sutures, yeah. I found some without the, every

00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:08.579
elongated skull that I've, the three I've come

00:43:08.579 --> 00:43:11.840
across, all had the sagittal, all had that suture.

00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:14.059
Like a normal human does. Like a normal human.

00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:17.719
So these would be from pressing boards on the

00:43:17.719 --> 00:43:20.039
child's head when they're in development? Yeah.

00:43:20.119 --> 00:43:22.150
Binding? But then the question is, why would

00:43:22.150 --> 00:43:26.429
you do that? And I mean, I err on the side of

00:43:26.429 --> 00:43:28.309
you don't just come up with that. You're trying

00:43:28.309 --> 00:43:30.590
to imitate something. Right. You know, and so

00:43:30.590 --> 00:43:33.989
that that's and then you see it in Egypt and

00:43:33.989 --> 00:43:36.670
the hieroglyphs and stuff. So I do think like

00:43:36.670 --> 00:43:41.829
there is, you know, there's we've we've labeled

00:43:41.829 --> 00:43:45.710
things other species with just a bone fragment.

00:43:45.829 --> 00:43:49.710
You know, I'm like, there's there's. of these

00:43:49.710 --> 00:43:52.449
things, and I think that if the right study went

00:43:52.449 --> 00:43:55.829
to them, you might have a separate species if

00:43:55.829 --> 00:43:58.170
you put the money towards studying this stuff

00:43:58.170 --> 00:44:00.530
because it's all out there, man. Right, like

00:44:00.530 --> 00:44:03.449
a separate branch of the human species? Possibly,

00:44:03.449 --> 00:44:05.369
yeah. Right, which makes sense. I mean, they're

00:44:05.369 --> 00:44:08.730
finding separate branches all the time. All the

00:44:08.730 --> 00:44:11.969
time. The Denisovans, you know, all these different

00:44:11.969 --> 00:44:14.269
ones that they've found within the last 20 years.

00:44:14.989 --> 00:44:17.730
And there could be something with a larger head,

00:44:17.849 --> 00:44:21.210
an elongated head. Yep. And that's the, I don't

00:44:21.210 --> 00:44:25.329
know enough about osteo whatever to go in depth

00:44:25.329 --> 00:44:29.849
about it, but it, I mean, either you had whole

00:44:29.849 --> 00:44:34.630
cultures just doing this or. There's too many

00:44:34.630 --> 00:44:36.869
of them for it to have just been kind of some

00:44:36.869 --> 00:44:40.269
elitist practice, I think. And a bizarre practice

00:44:40.269 --> 00:44:42.449
at that. Why would you want to do that to your

00:44:42.449 --> 00:44:45.190
kid's head when clearly it's probably not been

00:44:45.190 --> 00:44:47.389
done to your head, at least the first people?

00:44:47.610 --> 00:44:52.530
What were you trying to imitate? I forget who

00:44:52.530 --> 00:44:57.329
told me this. There is some, I think Will told

00:44:57.329 --> 00:45:01.210
me this, there's some woman who did this practice

00:45:01.210 --> 00:45:04.010
on herself, like actually trepanated her own

00:45:04.010 --> 00:45:07.510
head. Yeah, we talked about that. Well, we've

00:45:07.510 --> 00:45:10.130
talked about trepanation when we had that woman

00:45:10.130 --> 00:45:14.329
on to herself. Okay, well, wait, so you had her

00:45:14.329 --> 00:45:16.650
on? Yeah, well, a woman who did, what was her

00:45:16.650 --> 00:45:19.710
name again? The psychedelic lady? I believe she

00:45:19.710 --> 00:45:25.269
passed, didn't she? Recently? Really fascinating

00:45:25.269 --> 00:45:27.789
woman. Amanda Fielding. Amanda Fielding. She

00:45:27.789 --> 00:45:33.309
died recently, right? Yeah. But she did self

00:45:33.309 --> 00:45:35.989
-trepanation. She did self -trepanation. But

00:45:35.989 --> 00:45:40.250
that's not elongation of the skull. No, but there's

00:45:40.250 --> 00:45:44.670
an idea that what that trepanation might have

00:45:44.670 --> 00:45:47.610
done. In the ancient days, they did it to release

00:45:47.610 --> 00:45:50.010
the evil spirits if somebody was afflicted with

00:45:50.010 --> 00:45:52.070
some sort of psychosis or something like that.

00:45:54.440 --> 00:45:59.699
And I forget if it was Amanda. Something happens

00:45:59.699 --> 00:46:02.900
with your brain waves when the brain is exposed

00:46:02.900 --> 00:46:05.860
or something. There's some sort of... I don't

00:46:05.860 --> 00:46:07.900
know. How the fuck do you find that out without

00:46:07.900 --> 00:46:11.280
doing it? But if the skull is elongated, I don't

00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:18.460
know if it gives extra space to... I forget who

00:46:18.460 --> 00:46:23.010
told me this. It changes the chemical... structure

00:46:23.010 --> 00:46:26.190
of the brain that like kind of like a DMT experience.

00:46:26.329 --> 00:46:31.369
You're open to more things. And so an idea is

00:46:31.369 --> 00:46:34.489
that if you elongated it and had that extra space

00:46:34.489 --> 00:46:38.570
in the skull for the brain to have more oxygen,

00:46:38.710 --> 00:46:42.889
I guess, maybe it affects your brain chemistry.

00:46:43.070 --> 00:46:45.469
I don't know. Just pure speculation. But one

00:46:45.469 --> 00:46:47.389
of the things about some of these skulls they

00:46:47.389 --> 00:46:51.670
found is that the volume is larger. than a human

00:46:51.670 --> 00:46:54.789
brain. That's true. So how would you do that

00:46:54.789 --> 00:46:57.409
just by stretching it out with boards? I mean,

00:46:57.429 --> 00:46:59.030
it would seem like you have the same volume,

00:46:59.150 --> 00:47:01.030
you're just changing the shape of it, right?

00:47:01.510 --> 00:47:04.190
Yeah, but there are some, like you said, that

00:47:04.190 --> 00:47:06.469
have more volume, that would appear to have more

00:47:06.469 --> 00:47:09.849
volume. And have there been no studies on these

00:47:09.849 --> 00:47:12.489
weird ones, the ones that don't have those sagittal

00:47:12.489 --> 00:47:16.159
lines that correspond with human beings? Because

00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:18.340
some of them don't, right? Fringe studies. That's

00:47:18.340 --> 00:47:20.420
the problem. That is the problem. What are we

00:47:20.420 --> 00:47:22.119
looking at? Are we looking at an animal head

00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:24.780
that they've kind of like shoved onto like human

00:47:24.780 --> 00:47:27.000
features and glued things together? Oh, with

00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:30.460
the mummies? I mean, some of these skulls. Well,

00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:33.260
I mean, like the one you just saw. I mean, they're

00:47:33.260 --> 00:47:38.289
there. They're just out in the desert. I don't

00:47:38.289 --> 00:47:40.409
know why funding hasn't been— And you found them

00:47:40.409 --> 00:47:42.010
just sitting there. Yeah. And you just leave

00:47:42.010 --> 00:47:44.969
them there? Yeah. Yeah. I put a pin on—I mean,

00:47:44.989 --> 00:47:49.590
eventually one day I would like to, I don't know,

00:47:49.610 --> 00:47:51.550
form some sort of relationship with the Ministry

00:47:51.550 --> 00:47:53.210
of Culture because the thing is nobody's going

00:47:53.210 --> 00:47:57.329
out there. And I specifically went to places

00:47:57.329 --> 00:47:59.610
this last expedition that I went the first year.

00:48:00.059 --> 00:48:02.659
Just to see what happened a year later. And those

00:48:02.659 --> 00:48:05.239
places were looted even more. The things I had

00:48:05.239 --> 00:48:07.679
found and come across and documented, like an

00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:10.239
elongated skull, wasn't there anymore. So these

00:48:10.239 --> 00:48:14.099
things are being taken and sold. Makes you wonder

00:48:14.099 --> 00:48:18.480
how much of it was there in the past. Dude, I

00:48:18.480 --> 00:48:21.579
mean, I don't, like that eight kilometers of

00:48:21.579 --> 00:48:27.900
looting, it was all bones and textile and pottery.

00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:31.570
I mean, just. Eight full kilometers. So it's

00:48:31.570 --> 00:48:36.769
an eight -kilometer graveyard? Yeah. When I'm

00:48:36.769 --> 00:48:40.230
looking up trepanation, this elongated skull

00:48:40.230 --> 00:48:42.710
is coming up. Apparently this one is in Oklahoma,

00:48:43.349 --> 00:48:46.210
a museum of some kind. That's the one that looks

00:48:46.210 --> 00:48:48.289
like it's had surgery on it. There's some sort

00:48:48.289 --> 00:48:50.429
of a metal implant. And it's come up in that

00:48:50.429 --> 00:48:52.829
context. This one's coming up, too. But what

00:48:52.829 --> 00:48:55.230
they're saying is that the metal implant is used.

00:48:56.329 --> 00:48:58.389
After trepanation's been done to sort of patch

00:48:58.389 --> 00:49:02.110
the bone. Sometimes that has been documented

00:49:02.110 --> 00:49:04.670
as happening. What kind of metal are they using

00:49:04.670 --> 00:49:06.269
on your fucking head? Well, that's the weird

00:49:06.269 --> 00:49:07.889
thing, too, because that metal has come up in

00:49:07.889 --> 00:49:10.869
the skull scans on, like, Montserrat. I don't

00:49:10.869 --> 00:49:12.369
know which one in particular had it, but they're

00:49:12.369 --> 00:49:14.429
saying it's got, like, metal that wasn't available,

00:49:14.670 --> 00:49:16.369
you know, at the time. What's that one on the

00:49:16.369 --> 00:49:18.309
lower left -hand corner? That one looks crazy.

00:49:18.650 --> 00:49:20.849
Oh, that's the Chungo skull. What's that? Okay,

00:49:20.929 --> 00:49:22.190
so that one looks different. That's in the Chungo

00:49:22.190 --> 00:49:23.949
skull. Yeah, that's... It says it's in Paracas,

00:49:24.110 --> 00:49:26.530
but, I mean, that's... Click on that? It's very

00:49:26.530 --> 00:49:28.710
close to where I found the one I showed you from

00:49:28.710 --> 00:49:32.030
my footage. Okay, that skull looks nuts. So that

00:49:32.030 --> 00:49:35.190
doesn't look like a human skull at all. No. That

00:49:35.190 --> 00:49:38.869
one is... Look at the lines on that one. That's

00:49:38.869 --> 00:49:43.050
fucking crazy. That doesn't seem like it has

00:49:43.050 --> 00:49:45.389
any of the normal lines that a human skull has.

00:49:46.710 --> 00:49:48.949
That museum, unfortunately, is closed now, so

00:49:48.949 --> 00:49:51.010
you can't go see it. I tried to. Well, where

00:49:51.010 --> 00:49:53.969
is it? It was in... The Ministry of Culture shut

00:49:53.969 --> 00:50:01.159
down that museum. Oh, the collection often exceptionally

00:50:01.159 --> 00:50:05.199
elongated skulls found in Paracas, particularly

00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:10.239
around the village of Chongos near Pisco, dating

00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:15.199
to around 700 BCE to 200 CE. These skulls exhibit

00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:18.920
severe artificial cranial deformation, practice

00:50:18.920 --> 00:50:23.179
used by elite Paracas culture members to signify

00:50:23.179 --> 00:50:28.280
status. Huh. That is the one we just saw in that

00:50:28.280 --> 00:50:32.260
museum is the largest one. But it's weirdly large.

00:50:32.380 --> 00:50:34.300
Can you find some more images of that one? I

00:50:34.300 --> 00:50:35.840
was trying to find some other stuff that's not

00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:38.380
three years old or older. Oh, it's okay. We'll

00:50:38.380 --> 00:50:41.300
just see the images of it. It might be hard for

00:50:41.300 --> 00:50:43.559
that one since the museum closed. Right, but

00:50:43.559 --> 00:50:47.119
there's images. Yeah. So that looks like it's

00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:49.380
a lot more volume than a human head. The one

00:50:49.380 --> 00:50:52.239
on the far left, just the one, yeah, either one,

00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:55.179
the one below it. Like that, just the image alone

00:50:55.179 --> 00:50:59.179
of that, how do you get a normal human head to

00:50:59.179 --> 00:51:02.760
be that large? Without some sort of... It looks

00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:05.119
like you stuffed a balloon into someone's eyeball

00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:08.079
and kept pumping it up, you know, while they're

00:51:08.079 --> 00:51:11.460
a baby. Like what the hell is that? That's so

00:51:11.460 --> 00:51:15.199
much bigger than a normal human skull. And then

00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:17.079
you think if it, you know, with the skull binding

00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:20.380
practice, I mean, is there going to be some form

00:51:20.380 --> 00:51:24.639
of mental... difficulties with that human being

00:51:24.639 --> 00:51:28.159
now if it's a human being or expanded capacity

00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:35.579
yeah so the cranial capacity is 25 % more than

00:51:35.579 --> 00:51:39.579
a normal skull it weighs 50 % or 60 % more than

00:51:39.579 --> 00:51:42.539
a normal skull also the eye sockets are larger

00:51:42.539 --> 00:51:47.400
and the jaw is larger and more compact god that

00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:50.880
looks like a different kind of human So there

00:51:50.880 --> 00:51:53.800
are – and when you go to these museums, there's

00:51:53.800 --> 00:51:57.039
all sorts of – what's that one up there? The

00:51:57.039 --> 00:51:58.739
one to the right of your cursor. What the fuck

00:51:58.739 --> 00:52:01.400
is that? Is that real? That's why I was – I didn't

00:52:01.400 --> 00:52:03.280
want to go here. Whoa. I was bringing up a bunch

00:52:03.280 --> 00:52:04.639
of fake shit too. That's why I was trying to

00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:07.159
– Is that fake? I haven't seen that one before.

00:52:07.579 --> 00:52:10.780
I don't – it's taking me to Facebook. It's already

00:52:10.780 --> 00:52:14.320
a big red flag. Yeah. I know. Facebook is a hub

00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:17.420
of fake shit. Oh, man. I can't escape it on that.

00:52:17.420 --> 00:52:19.980
It's the same picture. So a lot of them are probably

00:52:19.980 --> 00:52:23.400
AI generated. But that one that's 25 % larger

00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:27.019
than a normal human skull and larger eye sockets.

00:52:27.019 --> 00:52:30.000
The eye sockets are fucking huge. That's also

00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:35.039
weird. That's the problem with all this looting

00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:39.079
that's been going on for so many years. There

00:52:39.079 --> 00:52:42.079
might have been some evidence of a different

00:52:42.079 --> 00:52:45.280
kind of human that lived. With these people.

00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:47.800
And I mean, imagine if we find out that that

00:52:47.800 --> 00:52:50.500
different kind of human was what populated that

00:52:50.500 --> 00:52:53.420
area. And they were the people that built Sacsayhuaman.

00:52:54.199 --> 00:52:59.039
Because Paracas is the highest concentration

00:52:59.039 --> 00:53:02.360
of the ones that have been found. But you find

00:53:02.360 --> 00:53:08.500
them up in the Cuzco region, too. There's a video

00:53:08.500 --> 00:53:14.519
I have, I think. I think it's Chisniri, C -H

00:53:14.519 --> 00:53:19.000
-I -S -I -N. Can I ask you, what is the conventional

00:53:19.000 --> 00:53:22.880
explanation for the larger capacity of the skull

00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:25.940
and then the larger eyeballs, the eye sockets?

00:53:26.260 --> 00:53:29.059
I don't know that there is a conventional explanation

00:53:29.059 --> 00:53:31.260
other than— It seems like you would have to explain

00:53:31.260 --> 00:53:33.880
that. Like if that's not something different

00:53:33.880 --> 00:53:37.420
than homo sapien human being like you or me,

00:53:37.579 --> 00:53:41.369
what is that? That seems— That's a different

00:53:41.369 --> 00:53:43.789
thing, right? You would think. Right. Like if

00:53:43.789 --> 00:53:45.789
you look at a Neanderthal skull and you look,

00:53:45.809 --> 00:53:47.630
mine's pretty close to one. But if you look at

00:53:47.630 --> 00:53:51.349
a Neanderthal skull and a normal human skull,

00:53:51.630 --> 00:53:54.030
you can clearly see the Denisovans. You clearly

00:53:54.030 --> 00:53:56.210
see the difference. Homo Julians. You see the

00:53:56.210 --> 00:53:58.690
difference. That's different, man. It's different.

00:53:58.730 --> 00:54:03.630
And some of this stuff in their jaws and with

00:54:03.630 --> 00:54:06.409
like the set of teeth, there's differences. I

00:54:06.409 --> 00:54:08.929
mean, I haven't done a deep dive into it personally.

00:54:10.030 --> 00:54:13.489
But there are a multitude of differences that

00:54:13.489 --> 00:54:14.889
have been highlighted. And for people that are

00:54:14.889 --> 00:54:17.570
skeptical, one thing you have to recognize is

00:54:17.570 --> 00:54:21.050
that it's really hard to make a fossil. Most

00:54:21.050 --> 00:54:27.750
things that die and have died forever do not

00:54:27.750 --> 00:54:30.510
become fossils. They get consumed by the earth

00:54:30.510 --> 00:54:33.710
like a normal thing would. That's why you don't

00:54:33.710 --> 00:54:38.059
find... Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, if you're talking

00:54:38.059 --> 00:54:40.500
about going back 10 ,000 years, that's why you're

00:54:40.500 --> 00:54:42.860
not you're not seeing much evidence of stuff.

00:54:42.860 --> 00:54:45.699
I mean, it's been so long. These these things

00:54:45.699 --> 00:54:50.099
are preserved because they're between at at most

00:54:50.099 --> 00:54:54.519
typically at most 2000 ish years in that region

00:54:54.519 --> 00:54:57.280
old. They're preserved so well because of the

00:54:57.280 --> 00:54:59.219
climate there, which is I mean, when you're going.

00:55:00.089 --> 00:55:03.230
You still see the hair of people. It hasn't disintegrated.

00:55:03.769 --> 00:55:07.150
It's there. God, it's so creepy. Dude, I have

00:55:07.150 --> 00:55:10.090
some creepy photos for you, man. I don't know.

00:55:10.150 --> 00:55:12.570
You might want to put a disclaimer up. People

00:55:12.570 --> 00:55:15.269
know on this show. You don't need a disclaimer.

00:55:15.449 --> 00:55:17.630
Here's a quick question. I found a video of a

00:55:17.630 --> 00:55:19.570
guy with an elongated skull. He's talking about

00:55:19.570 --> 00:55:23.090
these and showing it. I'm just precise. I've

00:55:23.090 --> 00:55:25.780
referenced to his hand. Does the skull seem small?

00:55:26.099 --> 00:55:28.860
It does. Unless he's got some giant -ass basketball

00:55:28.860 --> 00:55:30.599
player. That's kind of the size of the one I

00:55:30.599 --> 00:55:33.559
showed you earlier. It's smaller than you would

00:55:33.559 --> 00:55:36.940
think. But a lot of the people there back then

00:55:36.940 --> 00:55:38.960
were very small, right? They didn't have access

00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:42.400
to a lot of protein. I went to Chichen Itza,

00:55:42.500 --> 00:55:46.880
and one of the weirder things is how small the

00:55:46.880 --> 00:55:48.969
people are there. How small the mind, people.

00:55:49.030 --> 00:55:51.630
I'm short already, and I was a giant compared

00:55:51.630 --> 00:55:54.349
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00:56:35.400 --> 00:56:39.659
Same in Peru until when the Spanish came. And

00:56:39.659 --> 00:56:42.260
then the interbreeding. And then interbreeding,

00:56:42.320 --> 00:56:46.019
yeah. Yeah. But if you go, Jamie, if you just

00:56:46.019 --> 00:56:51.400
open up the photos remains folder, this is the

00:56:51.400 --> 00:56:53.619
stuff you see. I mean, there's still skin on

00:56:53.619 --> 00:56:57.679
some of these things. Whoa. Which is why. Whoa.

00:56:59.199 --> 00:57:02.639
That's creepy. Yeah, man. And how old is that

00:57:02.639 --> 00:57:06.869
hand? Probably, I mean, at this burial site,

00:57:06.929 --> 00:57:09.590
based on the artifacts I was seeing, it's Paracas

00:57:09.590 --> 00:57:13.369
or Nazca. Go back one, Jamie, please. Look at

00:57:13.369 --> 00:57:16.489
the cloth next to it, too. So what is that piece

00:57:16.489 --> 00:57:19.889
of cloth, do you think? It's like it's braided

00:57:19.889 --> 00:57:23.030
at the bottom. I didn't see a hole in the middle,

00:57:23.090 --> 00:57:24.849
so I don't think it was a sling. It's too fancy

00:57:24.849 --> 00:57:28.929
for a sling, I think. So I'm not 100 % sure.

00:57:29.449 --> 00:57:31.829
Unless it's a fancy sling. It could be, yeah.

00:57:31.989 --> 00:57:34.849
Fancy bows and arrows, fancy guns. True, true.

00:57:35.349 --> 00:57:38.769
Look at the hand, man. That's so crazy. And what

00:57:38.769 --> 00:57:41.750
you see to the right of it is what kind of looks

00:57:41.750 --> 00:57:43.590
like burlap. I mean, that's what the mummies

00:57:43.590 --> 00:57:45.429
were wrapped in. They were stuffed with cotton

00:57:45.429 --> 00:57:49.570
or put in the fetal position, wrapped with textile,

00:57:49.849 --> 00:57:52.510
then cotton, then more textile and ropes, and

00:57:52.510 --> 00:57:57.019
that's some of the cotton and wrapping. The grave

00:57:57.019 --> 00:57:59.699
robbers had torn apart trying to find gold and

00:57:59.699 --> 00:58:02.880
jewels and things like that. And what's unfortunate

00:58:02.880 --> 00:58:05.340
is some of the most beautiful pottery there,

00:58:05.400 --> 00:58:10.000
too. It's just completely destroyed. Wow. Whoa.

00:58:11.219 --> 00:58:14.860
Look at all those bones. You found this? Yeah.

00:58:15.659 --> 00:58:17.840
God, that's got to be creepy just seeing all

00:58:17.840 --> 00:58:21.519
those dead people's bones and rope. It affects

00:58:21.519 --> 00:58:26.480
you, man. It definitely does. What's the time

00:58:26.480 --> 00:58:35.639
period of this? This is 2 ,000 years. Wow. That

00:58:35.639 --> 00:58:39.079
picture actually isn't from Nazca. That was another.

00:58:40.019 --> 00:58:43.039
I have a video of this to show you, this place.

00:58:43.340 --> 00:58:46.800
There's just so much weirdness about Peru, just

00:58:46.800 --> 00:58:49.820
the Nazca lines alone. Like, what were they doing?

00:58:50.079 --> 00:58:52.219
Why were you making artwork you can only see

00:58:52.219 --> 00:58:58.599
from the sky? That's crazy. Oh, look at the hair.

00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:04.900
That's nuts. Normal -sized skull, though. Actually,

00:59:05.059 --> 00:59:07.940
that one, I don't have the pictures in that folder,

00:59:08.079 --> 00:59:12.019
but I measured it. It's incredibly bulbous. It's

00:59:12.019 --> 00:59:14.599
much more bulbous than a normal skull. So you're

00:59:14.599 --> 00:59:17.340
just getting a side view of it? Yeah, and I put

00:59:17.340 --> 00:59:22.800
the tape measurer there next to it. That's crazy.

00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:26.969
You see the skin. Yeah, isn't it? The skin and

00:59:26.969 --> 00:59:30.469
the hair on the skull. Oh, God. That's creepy.

00:59:32.650 --> 00:59:38.369
It's why, yeah. I mean, that... You know, I thought

00:59:38.369 --> 00:59:40.610
that I had gotten... This is another thing that's

00:59:40.610 --> 00:59:43.909
been set up. And you think the grave robbers

00:59:43.909 --> 00:59:47.289
do this? You know, there were some places where

00:59:47.289 --> 00:59:49.409
I found things set up like this with little candy,

00:59:49.570 --> 00:59:54.539
little modern candies. And what that is, is it's

00:59:54.539 --> 00:59:56.719
a tradition called pago la tierra, paying the

00:59:56.719 --> 01:00:01.840
land. And so whoever left the candy, I don't

01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:05.260
think was a grave robber. It's a way of giving

01:00:05.260 --> 01:00:07.340
back to the land, giving back to the ancestors.

01:00:07.539 --> 01:00:09.840
I started doing that with, you know, if I had

01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:12.659
a soda bottle or something, you pour out some

01:00:12.659 --> 01:00:17.280
Coca -Cola, pay the land for walking to it and

01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:21.579
documenting the stuff. Nice little practice,

01:00:21.699 --> 01:00:29.400
but so the, I would say that like 2 ,000 -ish

01:00:29.400 --> 01:00:33.699
years old, just to circle back, so some of these

01:00:33.699 --> 01:00:37.619
things, this is all on the surface. I don't go

01:00:37.619 --> 01:00:42.239
digging. That's not on me, but the Waqueros do,

01:00:42.420 --> 01:00:44.659
and that's where they're finding these things

01:00:44.659 --> 01:00:48.179
intact. They're finding these things intact where

01:00:48.179 --> 01:00:50.519
you can put them into a CT scanner and it's going

01:00:50.519 --> 01:00:57.420
to show the whole insides. Has any – have any

01:00:57.420 --> 01:01:01.719
paleontologists done or archaeologists brought

01:01:01.719 --> 01:01:05.199
these skulls and brought them for examination

01:01:05.199 --> 01:01:08.639
to try to find out if there's – Intact DNA that

01:01:08.639 --> 01:01:11.199
can be studied? They're supposed to be doing

01:01:11.199 --> 01:01:14.099
DNA tests on six of the specimens. But if you

01:01:14.099 --> 01:01:17.159
watch my video, you'll see each time they've

01:01:17.159 --> 01:01:19.539
done DNA tests on all the hoaxes that they've

01:01:19.539 --> 01:01:21.880
been a part of before, I imagine the results

01:01:21.880 --> 01:01:23.820
are going to be the same. Yeah, but I don't mean

01:01:23.820 --> 01:01:25.880
the hoaxes. I mean the elongated skulls with

01:01:25.880 --> 01:01:28.059
large eye sockets, things along those lines.

01:01:28.900 --> 01:01:34.599
You know, there is a lot of the bureaucracy of...

01:01:35.469 --> 01:01:37.489
How to go about doing anything with the Ministry

01:01:37.489 --> 01:01:42.670
of Culture in Peru is – it's so disjointed. You

01:01:42.670 --> 01:01:46.150
can't get things done. You just can't get – I

01:01:46.150 --> 01:01:49.929
know Brian Forrester for decades was trying to

01:01:49.929 --> 01:01:52.710
get some sort of official path to do DNA studies

01:01:52.710 --> 01:01:58.320
on these things. So I mean I'm hoping with the

01:01:58.320 --> 01:02:00.179
work that I'm doing with Pillars of the Past

01:02:00.179 --> 01:02:03.300
that some of those boundaries can be broken where

01:02:03.300 --> 01:02:05.199
we can actually get permission to study these

01:02:05.199 --> 01:02:08.880
things because it's Peru's patrimony. You can't

01:02:08.880 --> 01:02:11.599
just go in there and – Right. That makes sense.

01:02:11.860 --> 01:02:14.820
And so – and it costs money to do those things

01:02:14.820 --> 01:02:19.099
too. And you have to do it in the above board

01:02:19.099 --> 01:02:21.900
way. And so it's kind of waiting for the OK from

01:02:21.900 --> 01:02:25.239
them. Well, it seems like at the very least the

01:02:25.239 --> 01:02:28.559
– most bizarre elongated skulls should be studied

01:02:28.559 --> 01:02:30.539
more closely. It shouldn't just be like, oh,

01:02:30.579 --> 01:02:32.360
it's in a museum. Look at the head. Big, huh?

01:02:32.679 --> 01:02:35.599
Weird eyes. Let's move on. Look at this bowl.

01:02:35.800 --> 01:02:37.599
It's broken, but, you know, pretty interesting.

01:02:37.780 --> 01:02:40.159
Let's move on. Like, no, what the fuck is going

01:02:40.159 --> 01:02:41.579
on with that head? Put some money, figure it

01:02:41.579 --> 01:02:44.940
out, and... Because if it turns out that there

01:02:44.940 --> 01:02:48.019
was a totally different branch of the human species...

01:02:48.019 --> 01:02:53.610
It's huge. It's huge. I don't know the accuracy

01:02:53.610 --> 01:02:55.110
of this. That's why I'm hesitant to even bring

01:02:55.110 --> 01:02:57.349
it up. But as you're asking about that, that

01:02:57.349 --> 01:03:00.130
video I pulled up, this guy said that they tested

01:03:00.130 --> 01:03:05.489
12 or 18 skulls. That's Forrester. And some of

01:03:05.489 --> 01:03:07.530
them came back as Native American. I'm reading

01:03:07.530 --> 01:03:10.530
the closed captioning, but some of them did not.

01:03:11.329 --> 01:03:13.369
Some of them came back from the Black Sea area.

01:03:13.389 --> 01:03:15.389
Yeah, the Caspian Sea, Black Sea area from 2

01:03:15.389 --> 01:03:17.469
,000 to 3 ,000 years ago. Which there have been

01:03:17.469 --> 01:03:27.340
skulls found out in those areas too. Wow As in

01:03:27.340 --> 01:03:31.019
the Caucasus mountains well, so that's very intriguing

01:03:31.019 --> 01:03:35.900
What I can also share with you is what I believe

01:03:35.900 --> 01:03:38.159
was the migrational pattern because these people

01:03:38.159 --> 01:03:42.079
Like the some indigenous people of the Caspian

01:03:42.079 --> 01:03:48.699
area and Black Sea area Were and are dark red

01:03:48.699 --> 01:03:51.900
haired and also very light skin and green eyes

01:03:51.900 --> 01:03:53.820
and this seems to correspond as well with the

01:03:53.820 --> 01:03:56.440
elongated skulls so i believe they do have red

01:03:56.440 --> 01:04:01.440
hair 3000 years ago the uh ancestors of the paracas

01:04:01.440 --> 01:04:04.300
decided to leave the area because they were being

01:04:04.300 --> 01:04:07.900
invaded by someone and so they traveled south

01:04:07.900 --> 01:04:10.920
through iraq and iran to the persian gulf and

01:04:10.920 --> 01:04:16.880
there they wound up sailing eastwards and eventually

01:04:16.880 --> 01:04:24.699
found their way to the coast of Peru. So that's

01:04:24.699 --> 01:04:26.679
the thing. With theories like this, I'm like,

01:04:26.739 --> 01:04:29.300
let's put some effort to peer review this stuff.

01:04:29.800 --> 01:04:33.539
Let's do the studies that are needed, have multiple

01:04:33.539 --> 01:04:36.460
universities test these things, come up with

01:04:36.460 --> 01:04:41.019
a standard set of results, and then... So what

01:04:41.019 --> 01:04:45.289
is missing? Funding? Interest? It seems like

01:04:45.289 --> 01:04:50.150
this is – in terms of like really doing a comprehensive

01:04:50.150 --> 01:04:53.230
study of archaeological sites, Peru seems like

01:04:53.230 --> 01:04:58.889
the least studied. Is that accurate? Halfway

01:04:58.889 --> 01:05:02.510
I would say only because – look, there's a part

01:05:02.510 --> 01:05:05.989
of me that also feels for the Ministry of Culture

01:05:05.989 --> 01:05:10.809
in a way where there's so many sites in Peru.

01:05:11.369 --> 01:05:14.190
That to have eyes everywhere, to protect it,

01:05:14.230 --> 01:05:18.289
to have teams excavating things. I mean, isn't

01:05:18.289 --> 01:05:21.389
that alone kind of crazy how many sites there

01:05:21.389 --> 01:05:24.789
are in Peru? And the fact that also you have

01:05:24.789 --> 01:05:28.309
Sacsayhuaman, you have the Nazca Lines, you have

01:05:28.309 --> 01:05:32.170
all this weirdness in this one part of the world.

01:05:32.269 --> 01:05:35.070
Like, why? You have the oldest stone pyramids

01:05:35.070 --> 01:05:39.199
in the Americas, pyramids that... predate the

01:05:39.199 --> 01:05:41.519
pyramids of Giza by a thousand years. What do

01:05:41.519 --> 01:05:46.760
they look like? If you look up Coral, they are...

01:05:46.760 --> 01:05:50.179
Dude, I've done a whole thesis on this. I plan

01:05:50.179 --> 01:05:52.260
to write a... I don't think I'll ever get it

01:05:52.260 --> 01:05:54.320
peer -reviewed, but I plan to write a paper about

01:05:54.320 --> 01:05:56.559
my theories on some of the stuff I've found.

01:05:56.639 --> 01:06:01.199
So Coral was this area on the coast. It's C -A

01:06:01.199 --> 01:06:06.579
-R -A -L. And... These pyramids had – Graham

01:06:06.579 --> 01:06:09.619
Hancock's been looking into this stuff too, this

01:06:09.619 --> 01:06:11.940
sunken circular plaza. So they're just – this

01:06:11.940 --> 01:06:17.639
is a – Whoa. This predates Giza. Well, what we

01:06:17.639 --> 01:06:20.780
think is the day of Giza. The Great Pyramids.

01:06:20.780 --> 01:06:22.199
Conventional. The conventional dating, right.

01:06:22.739 --> 01:06:25.579
So, all right, let's see if I can condense this.

01:06:25.960 --> 01:06:29.780
Okay. This site has, I don't know, eight of these

01:06:29.780 --> 01:06:32.039
pyramids. They're actually all throughout the

01:06:32.039 --> 01:06:35.780
valley and four valleys around it. The earliest

01:06:35.780 --> 01:06:39.139
one in a separate valley close to this dates

01:06:39.139 --> 01:06:43.039
back to 4000 BCE. It has the remnants of a sunken

01:06:43.039 --> 01:06:45.699
circular. The main thing to keep note of is that

01:06:45.699 --> 01:06:47.840
sunken circular plaza because it's a feature

01:06:47.840 --> 01:06:51.980
that you not only see there in those four valleys.

01:06:52.619 --> 01:06:56.000
But you also see it 200 kilometers north of Peru.

01:06:56.199 --> 01:06:58.539
And what's the conventional explanation for these

01:06:58.539 --> 01:07:03.599
sunken circular plazas? Ritual spaces. Some people

01:07:03.599 --> 01:07:06.340
say collecting water. Some people say the acoustics

01:07:06.340 --> 01:07:08.380
are different. Here's the interesting thing about

01:07:08.380 --> 01:07:14.409
it. This site was discovered in the 1940s. And

01:07:14.409 --> 01:07:19.269
nobody did anything about it. This is what happens

01:07:19.269 --> 01:07:27.989
in Peru. From the early 1900s to 1940s, archaeologists

01:07:27.989 --> 01:07:29.750
and historians were going up and down the coast

01:07:29.750 --> 01:07:32.570
finding stuff. I mean, just finding stuff. And

01:07:32.570 --> 01:07:34.030
they would write it down. They'd put it on the

01:07:34.030 --> 01:07:35.949
map. That's why the Ministry of Culture has it

01:07:35.949 --> 01:07:39.949
on their archaeological database. They'd pick

01:07:39.949 --> 01:07:41.789
through it what they could, put stuff in museums,

01:07:41.969 --> 01:07:46.050
and just move on. That site, Corral, predated

01:07:46.050 --> 01:07:49.130
any ceramics. I mean, this was a pre -ceramic

01:07:49.130 --> 01:07:51.730
culture, so there were no artifacts to find.

01:07:52.070 --> 01:07:57.190
So they just moved on. It wasn't until Dr. Ruth

01:07:57.190 --> 01:08:02.550
Shady in, like, the 80s and 90s actually put

01:08:02.550 --> 01:08:05.289
research in and figured out, hey, this is older

01:08:05.289 --> 01:08:07.469
than everything else we found, because they just

01:08:07.469 --> 01:08:09.429
overlooked it. There were no artifacts. They

01:08:09.429 --> 01:08:10.840
were just like... We're going to move on. When

01:08:10.840 --> 01:08:13.460
you say no artifacts, that seems weird to me

01:08:13.460 --> 01:08:16.140
because why would you make these immense structures

01:08:16.140 --> 01:08:20.199
and not have a bowl to put rice in, right? A

01:08:20.199 --> 01:08:27.840
lot of animal skins and the weaving. So these

01:08:27.840 --> 01:08:31.079
cultures, what they found is, so that's a little

01:08:31.079 --> 01:08:33.960
further inland. They had a sister site on the

01:08:33.960 --> 01:08:37.159
coast. And so what they would do, the only agriculture

01:08:37.159 --> 01:08:40.420
they would grow was cotton. That cotton, they

01:08:40.420 --> 01:08:42.859
would trade with the people on the coast so they

01:08:42.859 --> 01:08:45.300
could make nets and fish with it. The fish they

01:08:45.300 --> 01:08:47.380
would bring back, they would give back to those

01:08:47.380 --> 01:08:50.279
people who made the cotton for them. So it was

01:08:50.279 --> 01:08:54.840
this weird interplay. The other unique thing

01:08:54.840 --> 01:08:57.439
about this time period is there was no evidence

01:08:57.439 --> 01:09:01.140
of warfare for 1 ,000 years. Nobody was fighting

01:09:01.140 --> 01:09:04.779
each other. It was very just everybody, no weapons,

01:09:04.840 --> 01:09:06.819
no anything like that. No weapons? No weapons.

01:09:07.520 --> 01:09:10.779
For a thousand years. That seems insane. Is that

01:09:10.779 --> 01:09:12.960
just no evidence of weapons? That's currently

01:09:12.960 --> 01:09:15.640
no evidence of weapons. Right. But maybe someone

01:09:15.640 --> 01:09:18.960
stole the weapons. That's possible. I mean, you're

01:09:18.960 --> 01:09:21.560
talking about a place that's been looted ad nauseum,

01:09:21.600 --> 01:09:24.420
right? That's true. I mean, they put in a lot

01:09:24.420 --> 01:09:26.199
of work, though, excavating, especially that

01:09:26.199 --> 01:09:28.680
site, Corral. So you feel like somewhere they

01:09:28.680 --> 01:09:32.300
would find some sort of an axe head? They found

01:09:32.300 --> 01:09:37.020
the only artifacts of... Major note are some

01:09:37.020 --> 01:09:41.220
of those carvings that we saw and then bone flutes

01:09:41.220 --> 01:09:45.579
with carvings on them and the nets, the fishing

01:09:45.579 --> 01:09:53.000
nets. And my whole theory is this was a pocket.

01:09:53.060 --> 01:09:56.119
It's called the Norte Chico culture. It's a little

01:09:56.119 --> 01:09:59.699
pocket of these four valleys. And I went all

01:09:59.699 --> 01:10:02.989
over them documenting these pyramids. They don't

01:10:02.989 --> 01:10:04.649
look like pyramids anymore. They look like mounds.

01:10:04.710 --> 01:10:08.829
They're so old. But there's another place 200

01:10:08.829 --> 01:10:12.029
kilometers north in the Chasma Valley. And what

01:10:12.029 --> 01:10:14.029
they have found is underneath the structures

01:10:14.029 --> 01:10:16.829
that are currently exposed, they found deeper

01:10:16.829 --> 01:10:21.529
layers of temples with that sunken plaza in this

01:10:21.529 --> 01:10:24.409
whole other location. And those are dating to

01:10:24.409 --> 01:10:28.090
the same time. So I firmly believe that what

01:10:28.090 --> 01:10:31.449
archaeologists currently say is the oldest culture.

01:10:32.220 --> 01:10:36.359
I believe it went the whole coast of Peru. Wow.

01:10:36.720 --> 01:10:39.340
I mean, like, this was a cradle of civilization.

01:10:40.060 --> 01:10:42.800
I mean, hands down. Cradle of civilization 6

01:10:42.800 --> 01:10:45.619
,000 years ago. 6 ,000 years ago. So which is

01:10:45.619 --> 01:10:48.100
right around the time we think the cradle of

01:10:48.100 --> 01:10:54.119
civilization happened in Sumer. Wow. And so the

01:10:54.119 --> 01:10:56.420
hard thing about it is, like, you'll have car—

01:10:57.180 --> 01:10:59.960
You have some carvings in adobe that's been preserved

01:10:59.960 --> 01:11:02.659
in some of these places. So there's some sort

01:11:02.659 --> 01:11:05.939
of iconography. But there's no writing like the

01:11:05.939 --> 01:11:08.579
Sumerian. The whole thing about Peru is like

01:11:08.579 --> 01:11:13.000
there was no writing system that we know of.

01:11:13.079 --> 01:11:15.340
There is a theory, and I believe this. I believe

01:11:15.340 --> 01:11:20.319
the quipus, the rope strings with knots, I believe

01:11:20.319 --> 01:11:23.439
that was a language. But the Spanish burnt as...

01:11:23.819 --> 01:11:26.380
As soon as the Spanish came over, they burned

01:11:26.380 --> 01:11:28.779
as many of those things as they could find, and

01:11:28.779 --> 01:11:31.020
they killed the people who could read them. So

01:11:31.020 --> 01:11:34.539
we won't ever know. Oh, God, Spaniards. How dare

01:11:34.539 --> 01:11:37.880
you? But there's evidence that they took some

01:11:37.880 --> 01:11:41.180
of the Incas to the Spanish court. And so there's

01:11:41.180 --> 01:11:44.340
an Inca in the Spanish court in front of the

01:11:44.340 --> 01:11:47.899
queen or king reading off of these quipus, reading

01:11:47.899 --> 01:11:50.960
stories, telling the court. From knots on strings.

01:11:51.000 --> 01:11:55.420
From knots on strings. And that understanding

01:11:55.420 --> 01:11:58.560
of that stuff is lost. It's lost. Currently,

01:11:58.579 --> 01:12:00.819
I think for the last few years, there's been

01:12:00.819 --> 01:12:02.739
some studies being done in Harvard trying to

01:12:02.739 --> 01:12:07.079
use AI to figure out what these mean. How many

01:12:07.079 --> 01:12:11.180
of these are left over? Can we see some images

01:12:11.180 --> 01:12:14.720
of them? I think 500 to 1 ,000. I mean, that's

01:12:14.720 --> 01:12:17.840
it. I mean, the Spanish went on a mission to

01:12:17.840 --> 01:12:19.500
burn all these things. Because they were trying

01:12:19.500 --> 01:12:23.739
to convert them to... Spanish and get them to

01:12:23.739 --> 01:12:27.000
speak the language and become Catholic. Pretty

01:12:27.000 --> 01:12:31.239
much. Yeah. And so much history is lost because

01:12:31.239 --> 01:12:37.159
of it. Yeah. But what's interesting is at that

01:12:37.159 --> 01:12:40.600
oldest place, at Corral, they found a kipu. They

01:12:40.600 --> 01:12:44.619
found one of these knotted strings. And it wasn't

01:12:44.619 --> 01:12:47.050
a fishing net. It was... what looked to be a

01:12:47.050 --> 01:12:49.449
kibbutz. So if you have that tradition going

01:12:49.449 --> 01:12:54.850
back 6 ,000 years, I mean, that's... There's

01:12:54.850 --> 01:12:57.310
a lot of... This picture's from 1994. This is

01:12:57.310 --> 01:12:59.489
what it looked like then. It doesn't look like

01:12:59.489 --> 01:13:03.210
anything. See that on the right? Those pits?

01:13:03.590 --> 01:13:07.829
Yeah. That's looting pits. Wow. That's what it

01:13:07.829 --> 01:13:09.689
looks like from above here. I was looking at

01:13:09.689 --> 01:13:12.989
a map. Oh, so they had to dig it up. This is

01:13:12.989 --> 01:13:19.020
the map from above. Wow. It's a pretty big area.

01:13:20.140 --> 01:13:23.100
Why is ancient history so damn fascinating? If

01:13:23.100 --> 01:13:25.260
you go on my spreadsheet, there's a place called

01:13:25.260 --> 01:13:29.119
Era de... What is it? I'm looking at my notes

01:13:29.119 --> 01:13:34.000
here. Sunken Plaza Era de Pando. It's a link

01:13:34.000 --> 01:13:37.300
to my YouTube. So this, what we're about to see

01:13:37.300 --> 01:13:41.520
is right across the valley from Corral. So all

01:13:41.520 --> 01:13:43.720
throughout that valley are these sites from that

01:13:43.720 --> 01:13:47.180
Norte Chico culture. Like right there on top

01:13:47.180 --> 01:13:49.739
of this pyramid and just the drone footage is

01:13:49.739 --> 01:13:55.500
epic, man. Wow. So I went on a mission looking

01:13:55.500 --> 01:13:59.260
for these places. That's it. The thing about

01:13:59.260 --> 01:14:03.680
this that is so compelling but also so unsatisfying

01:14:03.680 --> 01:14:07.880
is that a lot of these stories you're never going

01:14:07.880 --> 01:14:11.840
to get the full answer. No. You're never going

01:14:11.840 --> 01:14:15.069
to get the full history. It's just the mystery

01:14:15.069 --> 01:14:17.529
will never be satisfied. You're always going

01:14:17.529 --> 01:14:20.350
to be hungry, you know, which is – is that –

01:14:20.350 --> 01:14:23.109
for a person like yourself that studies these

01:14:23.109 --> 01:14:25.250
places and has dedicated so much time to it,

01:14:25.310 --> 01:14:27.810
is that in any way frustrating or does it add

01:14:27.810 --> 01:14:35.630
to the appeal? Both. Well, I got a 6 ,000 -year

01:14:35.630 --> 01:14:36.989
-old site. That's a good question. There's no

01:14:36.989 --> 01:14:39.069
one there with you at all it looks like? No.

01:14:39.569 --> 01:14:45.960
No one can stop you from – No, I... Whoa, look

01:14:45.960 --> 01:14:48.960
at that. So this is you with a drone? Yeah, this

01:14:48.960 --> 01:14:52.760
is just me. I actually spoke to... There was

01:14:52.760 --> 01:14:56.739
an archaeologist who told me to go to that place,

01:14:56.859 --> 01:14:59.260
and so I went, and I was the only one there.

01:15:01.279 --> 01:15:05.739
Wow. So my whole thing was I identified most

01:15:05.739 --> 01:15:09.109
of these places. through google earth first like

01:15:09.109 --> 01:15:11.850
they're they're not labeled these places aren't

01:15:11.850 --> 01:15:16.590
labeled at all that's crazy so these aren't documented

01:15:16.590 --> 01:15:19.229
places this this is this one place right here

01:15:19.229 --> 01:15:21.310
it's not on google earth though it's not on google

01:15:21.310 --> 01:15:25.189
maps you won't see any marker of it but i was

01:15:25.189 --> 01:15:27.449
able to do some digging because of the guy who

01:15:27.449 --> 01:15:30.270
took me through the site i meet this random guy

01:15:30.270 --> 01:15:33.770
luis luis is amazing he's a farmer right right

01:15:33.770 --> 01:15:36.659
here i freaked him out He thought I was coming

01:15:36.659 --> 01:15:38.960
to rob him because he gets robbed often, apparently.

01:15:40.279 --> 01:15:43.140
Oh, boy. But he walked me through the site, and

01:15:43.140 --> 01:15:48.039
he... This one, okay, if you pause it, that right

01:15:48.039 --> 01:15:50.000
there on the bottom right is another one of those

01:15:50.000 --> 01:15:53.140
temples with the sunken plaza, except that one

01:15:53.140 --> 01:15:57.560
has monoliths. Oh, looks like Stonehenge. Exactly.

01:15:57.880 --> 01:16:01.560
And nobody's done a study on astro... I don't

01:16:01.560 --> 01:16:03.979
know that stuff. Alignment, right. But... I can

01:16:03.979 --> 01:16:07.640
almost guarantee that there is some sort of astronomical

01:16:07.640 --> 01:16:10.340
alignment. So what happened was archaeologists

01:16:10.340 --> 01:16:13.920
did come back, did come here in the 90s, I think,

01:16:14.020 --> 01:16:18.140
and it didn't look like corral. They weren't

01:16:18.140 --> 01:16:19.659
going to be able to restore it, so they just

01:16:19.659 --> 01:16:24.020
kept it as a, you know, to find dating on these

01:16:24.020 --> 01:16:26.359
things. And it's from the same culture. It's

01:16:26.359 --> 01:16:31.020
just a couple valleys over. Hmm. Do you have

01:16:31.020 --> 01:16:34.140
any footage of the monoliths? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:16:34.600 --> 01:16:36.460
It'll come up if you fast -forward through it.

01:16:38.600 --> 01:16:41.520
It's going to be back closer to where, yeah.

01:16:45.659 --> 01:16:52.359
We walk up to it. There you go. Oh. Interesting.

01:16:52.579 --> 01:16:55.220
So some sort of a stone circle of modelists.

01:16:55.460 --> 01:16:58.000
I put it through AI. They're fairly small modelists,

01:16:58.020 --> 01:17:01.079
though, right? I mean, some of them have been

01:17:01.079 --> 01:17:06.250
buried and removed. Oh. So someone's got them

01:17:06.250 --> 01:17:08.270
in their fucking house somewhere. Some of them,

01:17:08.329 --> 01:17:13.890
yeah. Ugh. How much of that is a problem with

01:17:13.890 --> 01:17:16.989
archaeology? I know that that was a giant issue

01:17:16.989 --> 01:17:20.250
with Egyptian artifacts. A lot of wealthy people

01:17:20.250 --> 01:17:21.909
in other countries would just get it imported

01:17:21.909 --> 01:17:26.550
to their den and have a big fancy party. It still

01:17:26.550 --> 01:17:31.479
happens. I will have to say that the... And and

01:17:31.479 --> 01:17:33.100
I mean I've seen it with my own eyes looting

01:17:33.100 --> 01:17:35.460
stuff I've never come across like it's somebody

01:17:35.460 --> 01:17:39.199
in the field doing doing that would be freaky

01:17:39.199 --> 01:17:41.720
Yeah, because they'll kill you dude. You're out

01:17:41.720 --> 01:17:43.319
in the middle of nowhere and if they get caught

01:17:43.319 --> 01:17:45.239
they're in deep shit so they would want to get

01:17:45.239 --> 01:17:52.039
rid of you and I mean what a I know for a fact

01:17:52.039 --> 01:17:53.899
the way some of these get out of the country

01:17:53.899 --> 01:17:56.899
is some of these huaqueros have people on the

01:17:56.899 --> 01:17:59.239
inside who write them certificates and things

01:17:59.239 --> 01:18:02.060
like that that say it's an authentic piece that

01:18:02.060 --> 01:18:04.779
has been owned by the family for this long so

01:18:04.779 --> 01:18:06.899
they can get it out of the country to whoever

01:18:06.899 --> 01:18:11.159
they're selling it to. That's how it works. What's

01:18:11.159 --> 01:18:13.279
a bigger problem, though, recently after talking

01:18:13.279 --> 01:18:15.659
to several archaeologists and witnessing it myself

01:18:15.659 --> 01:18:21.560
is agriculture. Agriculture. I actually went

01:18:21.560 --> 01:18:25.800
to I went to a couple sites that I found this

01:18:25.800 --> 01:18:28.560
by mistake looking on Google Earth. So I would

01:18:28.560 --> 01:18:30.560
find a site and I would like roll the satellite

01:18:30.560 --> 01:18:33.140
date back because sometimes different seasons

01:18:33.140 --> 01:18:37.720
give you better imagery. Holy hell. What exists

01:18:37.720 --> 01:18:40.460
now is a quarter of what existed 10 years ago.

01:18:41.520 --> 01:18:44.600
And now all you see is like plantations planted.

01:18:44.699 --> 01:18:48.760
I mean, they have literally. paved over the archaeological

01:18:48.760 --> 01:18:53.760
site to plan dude and that is it's become one

01:18:53.760 --> 01:18:56.460
of the bigger missions of the channel and eventuality

01:18:56.460 --> 01:18:59.859
because dude you don't know this site could have

01:18:59.859 --> 01:19:01.560
aligned with that site could have aligned with

01:19:01.560 --> 01:19:03.840
you have no idea and there's no documentation

01:19:03.840 --> 01:19:06.380
of it there's no documentation because nobody's

01:19:06.380 --> 01:19:08.420
going out there these places are far away you

01:19:08.420 --> 01:19:11.659
know um but here here's another peculiar thing

01:19:11.659 --> 01:19:14.500
this last expedition so i found one of these

01:19:14.500 --> 01:19:17.489
sites and And I'm on camera and I'm ready to

01:19:17.489 --> 01:19:21.130
go in like guns a blazing, like, how dare you

01:19:21.130 --> 01:19:24.329
do this? How dare you erase this? And I get there

01:19:24.329 --> 01:19:27.710
and I mean, it's crumbled stones, crumbled walls.

01:19:28.390 --> 01:19:32.229
And it's just this woman on her farm. And so

01:19:32.229 --> 01:19:34.649
I start talking to her. This wasn't corporate.

01:19:35.189 --> 01:19:38.630
This woman has in fact did in fact write to the

01:19:38.630 --> 01:19:40.930
Ministry of Culture to say, hey, I'm expanding

01:19:40.930 --> 01:19:43.909
my farm. They didn't get back to her. So she

01:19:43.909 --> 01:19:50.079
did it. you know, paved over or created plots

01:19:50.079 --> 01:19:55.020
on half the archaeological site. So it becomes

01:19:55.020 --> 01:20:00.939
a... I don't know what the right solution is

01:20:00.939 --> 01:20:02.680
because I feel for this woman. She's actually,

01:20:02.800 --> 01:20:05.500
she's not, this isn't corporate. She's just surviving.

01:20:05.659 --> 01:20:07.979
She's just surviving. The corporate stuff, like,

01:20:07.979 --> 01:20:10.340
pisses me off and I'll go hard on them. And I

01:20:10.340 --> 01:20:13.800
do in some of my videos. And she tried to do

01:20:13.800 --> 01:20:16.500
the right thing. by reaching out to the Ministry

01:20:16.500 --> 01:20:18.600
of Culture. But what's she supposed to do, wait

01:20:18.600 --> 01:20:24.060
10 years to get a response? Right. And then I

01:20:24.060 --> 01:20:26.779
don't know how you empower these people because

01:20:26.779 --> 01:20:28.899
from where I sit is at least if you could document

01:20:28.899 --> 01:20:32.640
it, then you'd have a record of it. That's what

01:20:32.640 --> 01:20:34.340
I'm trying to do when I go out there, create

01:20:34.340 --> 01:20:37.600
3D models and put pins on a map or something

01:20:37.600 --> 01:20:42.159
like that. So it's a tricky situation to try

01:20:42.159 --> 01:20:45.020
to figure out. What's the most compelling site

01:20:45.020 --> 01:20:49.340
in Peru for you? I wanted to show you this. If

01:20:49.340 --> 01:20:53.380
you look in my video footage, Purulen Pyramids,

01:20:53.380 --> 01:20:59.140
P -U -R -U -L -E -N. This site, I think it is

01:20:59.140 --> 01:21:02.520
much more deserving of future study. It's a site

01:21:02.520 --> 01:21:08.119
that has 16 platform pyramids. Wow. And what

01:21:08.119 --> 01:21:16.359
does this site date to? Half my role here is,

01:21:16.420 --> 01:21:18.300
like, I'll go out and find these places, and

01:21:18.300 --> 01:21:20.819
then on the back end when I make these videos,

01:21:20.899 --> 01:21:23.220
I go hard on the research. Like, I spend too

01:21:23.220 --> 01:21:26.220
much. Sorry, which video was that? Pyramids Puru

01:21:26.220 --> 01:21:32.260
Lin. Oh, I got it. That's just so you can have

01:21:32.260 --> 01:21:36.699
a sense of scale. Thank God for drones, huh?

01:21:37.819 --> 01:21:46.119
100%. Okay, so. That's a platform. So that is

01:21:46.119 --> 01:21:50.699
the remains? So right back, if you look back

01:21:50.699 --> 01:21:52.640
on the horizon, that's the coast. So this is

01:21:52.640 --> 01:21:56.439
right on the ocean, which means this has been

01:21:56.439 --> 01:22:01.539
inundated for millennia by tsunamis. It looks

01:22:01.539 --> 01:22:04.060
like it. It really does, right? It looks like

01:22:04.060 --> 01:22:05.880
it's completely washed over. Look at how the

01:22:05.880 --> 01:22:09.529
sand is formed. and it's so i i kept that in

01:22:09.529 --> 01:22:12.529
there that's the wind the wind is so i like i

01:22:12.529 --> 01:22:16.789
messed up my first drone flying it here oh but

01:22:16.789 --> 01:22:19.010
check this out i keep this in so you could just

01:22:19.010 --> 01:22:25.069
there's another one oh it gets better man that

01:22:25.069 --> 01:22:28.409
seems like a riverbed another that's it completely

01:22:28.409 --> 01:22:31.029
seems like water's washed right over this whole

01:22:31.029 --> 01:22:35.479
area I bet if you look at it from far above,

01:22:35.659 --> 01:22:36.939
it's even more evident, right? Yeah, it was.

01:22:37.180 --> 01:22:42.279
Yeah. Look at that. Wow. And they're all the

01:22:42.279 --> 01:22:49.119
same. They all have the same shape. And what's

01:22:49.119 --> 01:22:51.539
the conventional explanation for this place?

01:22:51.539 --> 01:22:53.439
There was one study done on this, and it was

01:22:53.439 --> 01:22:58.920
a brief survey in 1970. That's it? Yeah. Yeah,

01:22:58.939 --> 01:23:01.979
that's it. However, the archaeologists who did

01:23:01.979 --> 01:23:06.079
that survey, there's another one there, the archaeologists

01:23:06.079 --> 01:23:08.699
who did this survey has been quoted in the past

01:23:08.699 --> 01:23:10.579
30 years saying he always wanted to come back

01:23:10.579 --> 01:23:12.760
here and do more research. He just never did.

01:23:12.920 --> 01:23:18.300
It's not an easy place to get to. But what they

01:23:18.300 --> 01:23:21.079
dated it at is, even in that report, that 1970s

01:23:21.079 --> 01:23:26.460
survey, he's saying 1 ,800 BCE, but likely, look

01:23:26.460 --> 01:23:36.079
at that. Here's something unique. If you pause

01:23:36.079 --> 01:23:39.380
it real quick. All right. So I looked on Google

01:23:39.380 --> 01:23:42.020
Earth, and those toward the top center, you see

01:23:42.020 --> 01:23:45.020
those two block -looking things? All right. So

01:23:45.020 --> 01:23:48.779
I thought they were megalithic. They're not.

01:23:48.880 --> 01:23:51.640
All of these, all of these pyramids are carved

01:23:51.640 --> 01:23:54.720
out of the bedrock. Wow. Are carved out of the

01:23:54.720 --> 01:23:57.920
bedrock. And the only place that there were looting

01:23:57.920 --> 01:24:01.060
pits are behind those two stones at the top.

01:24:01.650 --> 01:24:03.930
In that little alcove of the mountains, that

01:24:03.930 --> 01:24:06.149
was the only place. So I went there, and there's

01:24:06.149 --> 01:24:09.510
bones there. So that's where people were buried.

01:24:09.829 --> 01:24:12.050
And I'm like, why are they burying people here?

01:24:12.210 --> 01:24:14.489
And I stand right in the middle, and it's facing

01:24:14.489 --> 01:24:18.390
89 degree, almost perfect east -west, that little

01:24:18.390 --> 01:24:21.470
gap. So that's where they were burying their

01:24:21.470 --> 01:24:25.069
elite people. So where the sun would rise in

01:24:25.069 --> 01:24:29.310
the summer solstice. Yeah. Now, how old is this

01:24:29.310 --> 01:24:32.189
site supposed to be? So they said in that report,

01:24:32.289 --> 01:24:35.529
he says 1800. They found one piece of pottery

01:24:35.529 --> 01:24:39.029
that's documented. This is from a 1970 study.

01:24:39.289 --> 01:24:45.529
Yeah. And so they're saying 1800 BCE. That's

01:24:45.529 --> 01:24:50.010
right around when pottery started. But in that

01:24:50.010 --> 01:24:52.510
report, he says it's likely older as well. He

01:24:52.510 --> 01:24:54.890
thinks it's older. It needs more study. But that

01:24:54.890 --> 01:24:56.250
was it. That was the only thing that was put

01:24:56.250 --> 01:25:00.239
out there. I mean, this is 16 pyramids here.

01:25:00.380 --> 01:25:02.920
And if you look in my drone footage, you'll see

01:25:02.920 --> 01:25:05.380
it looks like there's another thing here, another

01:25:05.380 --> 01:25:07.739
thing there. So it's in the neighborhood of 4

01:25:07.739 --> 01:25:10.899
,000 years old, but possibly older. Correct.

01:25:11.000 --> 01:25:15.239
And I think it is. I would stake everything on

01:25:15.239 --> 01:25:18.479
it being found to be much older. Pre -ceramic,

01:25:18.560 --> 01:25:22.460
pre -pottery. The pre -ceramic thing is nuts.

01:25:22.680 --> 01:25:25.359
All right. So, like, here's the thing. What are

01:25:25.359 --> 01:25:28.100
they using for utensils? What are they using

01:25:28.100 --> 01:25:30.119
for plates? What are they using to put their

01:25:30.119 --> 01:25:33.939
food on? And then if it is pre -ceramic, what

01:25:33.939 --> 01:25:36.479
kind of tools do they have? And how are they

01:25:36.479 --> 01:25:38.399
carving? How are they building these pyramids?

01:25:38.399 --> 01:25:41.079
This out of the bedrock. I mean, imagine the

01:25:41.079 --> 01:25:44.500
amount of effort it would take for a human being

01:25:44.500 --> 01:25:47.739
banging a rock against another rock to try to

01:25:47.739 --> 01:25:50.079
do that and then to make it flat. Are these things

01:25:50.079 --> 01:25:57.159
level? I mean, this is the only modern... Most

01:25:57.159 --> 01:26:00.720
of my footage is the only modern media. What?

01:26:00.760 --> 01:26:04.199
In existence of some of these sites. That's crazy.

01:26:04.300 --> 01:26:06.779
Of just you? Of that site. Imagine if you didn't

01:26:06.779 --> 01:26:09.920
exist. Imagine if you weren't exposed to that

01:26:09.920 --> 01:26:14.920
as a 10 -year -old. Yeah. I mean, that's... This

01:26:14.920 --> 01:26:16.600
is just going to sit there for another thousand

01:26:16.600 --> 01:26:18.680
years before somebody else figures it out? Yep.

01:26:19.039 --> 01:26:23.170
Or it gets paved over. God. That's why I'm doing

01:26:23.170 --> 01:26:26.649
it, man. God, it's so weird. But how weird is

01:26:26.649 --> 01:26:30.470
that? How weird is it? It's just you. Raul, what

01:26:30.470 --> 01:26:33.810
kind of weight on your shoulders is there that

01:26:33.810 --> 01:26:37.989
this one fascinating site, you're the only guy

01:26:37.989 --> 01:26:40.590
that's got video of this? Modern video? That's

01:26:40.590 --> 01:26:47.829
crazy. Thanks for having me on. You're getting

01:26:47.829 --> 01:26:50.050
kind of choked up about it. Yeah, man. I mean,

01:26:50.069 --> 01:26:54.359
it's on. It's a lot of work, you know, and it's

01:26:54.359 --> 01:26:58.979
just it's something in me that I've. Well, it's

01:26:58.979 --> 01:27:01.560
it's obviously very compelling to everyone that

01:27:01.560 --> 01:27:03.819
really pays attention to. Is this the. That's

01:27:03.819 --> 01:27:07.779
when you look on the satellite. And again, this

01:27:07.779 --> 01:27:10.199
is the thing. This is not like they put some

01:27:10.199 --> 01:27:13.079
rocks in place. They carved these things out

01:27:13.079 --> 01:27:18.600
of the bedrock and they're fucking huge. That's

01:27:18.600 --> 01:27:22.079
what's so crazy about it. I just, I had to, I

01:27:22.079 --> 01:27:25.060
mean, getting there was like, what are we looking

01:27:25.060 --> 01:27:28.460
at, man? Like, that's the thing. Like, what are

01:27:28.460 --> 01:27:32.500
we looking at? And why in Peru? And what happened

01:27:32.500 --> 01:27:36.739
to this area where they had so much, so much

01:27:36.739 --> 01:27:40.140
sophisticated, complex construction that was

01:27:40.140 --> 01:27:43.060
absolutely abandoned and there's almost nothing

01:27:43.060 --> 01:27:48.239
left? So they, over the course of history, what

01:27:48.239 --> 01:27:52.380
they've found is that. People like to build on

01:27:52.380 --> 01:27:54.619
the coast, and there's just up and down the coast

01:27:54.619 --> 01:28:00.079
of Peru. There's so much. But then a major massive

01:28:00.079 --> 01:28:04.439
El Nino would happen, and that just floods everything.

01:28:04.979 --> 01:28:07.520
And so people are like, well, we've got to go

01:28:07.520 --> 01:28:09.359
up into the mountains. So they start going further

01:28:09.359 --> 01:28:12.260
into the valleys. Because Peru is so unique.

01:28:12.279 --> 01:28:15.359
You have the coast, and then the Andes just start.

01:28:15.680 --> 01:28:17.899
You know, they just start going up until you

01:28:17.899 --> 01:28:23.140
get to, you know, the before you start getting

01:28:23.140 --> 01:28:25.399
into the Amazon, you got to cross the whole Andes.

01:28:25.520 --> 01:28:29.619
And so for several hundred years, they would

01:28:29.619 --> 01:28:32.260
live further up the valley and then they would

01:28:32.260 --> 01:28:34.779
come back and repopulate on the coast and build

01:28:34.779 --> 01:28:37.460
on top of the sites that used to be there. And

01:28:37.460 --> 01:28:39.220
then it would happen again. And they would go

01:28:39.220 --> 01:28:42.399
back. And so there's this whole cycle of – and

01:28:42.399 --> 01:28:44.899
there's some places where you will find that

01:28:44.899 --> 01:28:49.420
direct – it's very hard to find megalithic stuff,

01:28:49.560 --> 01:28:51.859
though, like the stuff you're finding in Cusco,

01:28:51.960 --> 01:28:54.600
for example, on the coast. You don't really find

01:28:54.600 --> 01:29:00.140
that type of architecture on the coast. You didn't

01:29:00.140 --> 01:29:01.300
have that building material. You didn't have

01:29:01.300 --> 01:29:06.100
stones like that. And so it's my belief that

01:29:06.100 --> 01:29:12.479
– Some of these places existed further back than

01:29:12.479 --> 01:29:14.399
we think. Like this place here on the coast,

01:29:14.500 --> 01:29:17.260
the erosion and the wind and the water that must

01:29:17.260 --> 01:29:22.220
have affected it. I have footage from what we

01:29:22.220 --> 01:29:24.119
just saw was drone footage from this year. I

01:29:24.119 --> 01:29:25.800
didn't get much drone footage the year before.

01:29:27.739 --> 01:29:29.960
I could already see how much has been covered

01:29:29.960 --> 01:29:34.430
in one year. In one year. from from having gone

01:29:34.430 --> 01:29:38.069
there again and and it's just imagine over millions

01:29:38.069 --> 01:29:41.770
of years thousands of years how crazy if you

01:29:41.770 --> 01:29:44.350
had to just take a wild guess with no one holding

01:29:44.350 --> 01:29:46.590
you to this at all how old do you think we're

01:29:46.590 --> 01:29:52.350
talking about here i think there's uh i i go

01:29:52.350 --> 01:29:57.600
back pre the Young and Dryas, there's evidence

01:29:57.600 --> 01:30:00.260
on, like, Guacaprieta that there was this mound

01:30:00.260 --> 01:30:03.380
that was carved out of the bedrock that Tom DeLahaye

01:30:03.380 --> 01:30:06.680
and his team excavated and that academically

01:30:06.680 --> 01:30:11.819
accepted dates back to 12 ,500 BCE. And so there

01:30:11.819 --> 01:30:13.960
were people living on the coast at that time.

01:30:14.119 --> 01:30:17.680
So this mound, what does that look like? There's

01:30:17.680 --> 01:30:22.119
a... It looks just like a... This is an interesting

01:30:22.119 --> 01:30:26.310
sight. That's it. What am I looking at here?

01:30:26.489 --> 01:30:31.430
That mound. That's not a natural mound? No, it

01:30:31.430 --> 01:30:34.369
started off as natural. And so what they found

01:30:34.369 --> 01:30:40.710
was they would use their refuse. And so they

01:30:40.710 --> 01:30:42.470
would put trash on top of the mound and then

01:30:42.470 --> 01:30:45.069
cap it with, like, adobe mud so it would become

01:30:45.069 --> 01:30:47.470
strong. It would become a platform. And then

01:30:47.470 --> 01:30:49.689
they would build on top of it. So it's a trash

01:30:49.689 --> 01:30:54.800
mound? Part of it. How weird. That wasn't an

01:30:54.800 --> 01:30:58.380
uncommon thing. And that's more than 15 ,000

01:30:58.380 --> 01:31:00.859
years old. And what is that? They have writing

01:31:00.859 --> 01:31:05.520
from there? No. What's that, cloth? That's cloth,

01:31:05.680 --> 01:31:08.739
like fishing nets. Oh, I see. It's one of the

01:31:08.739 --> 01:31:12.479
oldest pieces of cotton. So you ask how they

01:31:12.479 --> 01:31:14.779
were carrying things and all that with the cotton.

01:31:14.859 --> 01:31:17.319
But the cotton was coming from further inland.

01:31:18.000 --> 01:31:21.720
It wasn't coming from them. So even back then,

01:31:21.800 --> 01:31:27.260
they were... So here's the kick. And this is

01:31:27.260 --> 01:31:29.960
part of like the paper I'm thinking I'm writing.

01:31:31.680 --> 01:31:33.880
There's evidence at that place, Huacaprieta,

01:31:34.000 --> 01:31:38.760
of a sunken circular plasm. And that predates

01:31:38.760 --> 01:31:42.060
all the ones we saw by even by 2000 more years.

01:31:42.739 --> 01:31:44.840
I think this is where that tradition started.

01:31:45.479 --> 01:31:48.439
Wow. I think that's where it started far earlier

01:31:48.439 --> 01:31:51.890
than anybody. accepts or knows. Now, here's the

01:31:51.890 --> 01:31:55.430
weird one. How do those people get there? Dude,

01:31:55.449 --> 01:31:57.229
you know, I've thought about this. I mean, look,

01:31:57.350 --> 01:32:02.850
if you're building these structures 6 ,000 years

01:32:02.850 --> 01:32:05.810
ago, 11 ,000 years ago, 15 ,000 years ago, when

01:32:05.810 --> 01:32:07.789
did you get there? When did you get there? And

01:32:07.789 --> 01:32:13.109
there's, yeah, there's the plaza. So, I mean.

01:32:13.850 --> 01:32:16.390
I don't think it takes much. I think if you're

01:32:16.390 --> 01:32:19.250
living on the coast or, I don't know, by any

01:32:19.250 --> 01:32:21.449
sort of water and you see a piece of wood floating

01:32:21.449 --> 01:32:23.449
on it, you're like, oh, all right. Well, then

01:32:23.449 --> 01:32:25.470
a thousand years go by and you have, at that

01:32:25.470 --> 01:32:27.850
point, put some pieces of wood together to make

01:32:27.850 --> 01:32:30.529
a flotation device. You're able to navigate.

01:32:31.130 --> 01:32:35.149
I don't see it not happening. Eventually. Right.

01:32:35.630 --> 01:32:39.210
Especially with crazy people. Right. Someone's

01:32:39.210 --> 01:32:42.300
got the courage to just. sail out there and hope

01:32:42.300 --> 01:32:44.779
you have enough water on you. Or you're fishing

01:32:44.779 --> 01:32:48.399
and you get stuck and there's a storm and it's

01:32:48.399 --> 01:32:50.140
like, whoop, and you could never make it back.

01:32:50.520 --> 01:32:55.239
But I think that's happened in multiple places.

01:32:55.779 --> 01:32:59.779
I don't think that civilization is born and created

01:32:59.779 --> 01:33:03.000
without, A, that sense of exploration, but also

01:33:03.000 --> 01:33:05.939
that natural ingenuity. I mean, storms happen

01:33:05.939 --> 01:33:09.779
and you see a log floating in the ocean. Well,

01:33:09.800 --> 01:33:13.420
I can use that to go catch more fish. Yeah. All

01:33:13.420 --> 01:33:18.100
of a sudden you're seafaring. It's just when

01:33:18.100 --> 01:33:20.960
you see stuff like this that's that old, that's

01:33:20.960 --> 01:33:23.359
15 ,000 years old, you go, okay, well, this is

01:33:23.359 --> 01:33:26.039
all that's left from 15 ,000 years ago. What's

01:33:26.039 --> 01:33:28.279
left from 30 ,000 years ago? Because it's like

01:33:28.279 --> 01:33:31.100
double that, right? Right now you look at 15,

01:33:31.180 --> 01:33:32.960
there's almost nothing. It's like, God, it's

01:33:32.960 --> 01:33:36.979
so little, but you get it. But if you went another

01:33:36.979 --> 01:33:39.720
15 before that, are we talking? What is that?

01:33:40.100 --> 01:33:44.000
And that's why I'm like with the stuff Biondi

01:33:44.000 --> 01:33:48.720
is doing with the SAR tech, I'm just hoping that

01:33:48.720 --> 01:33:52.560
that can be affordable and applied in multiple

01:33:52.560 --> 01:33:55.800
areas to find things that are buried underground.

01:33:57.560 --> 01:34:00.439
One thing that I've always been curious about

01:34:00.439 --> 01:34:02.640
why there hasn't been more research until I looked

01:34:02.640 --> 01:34:05.920
into it. All these places were on the coast of

01:34:05.920 --> 01:34:08.180
Peru. Well, sea levels were lower at one point.

01:34:08.380 --> 01:34:12.859
And so what's right off the coast of Peru? Right.

01:34:13.000 --> 01:34:16.899
And there haven't been many, if any, studies

01:34:16.899 --> 01:34:21.000
on that. I'm like, why? Apparently, the Humboldt

01:34:21.000 --> 01:34:24.039
current makes it very difficult. This is what

01:34:24.039 --> 01:34:25.300
I read because I was like, why hasn't anybody

01:34:25.300 --> 01:34:28.520
studied this? Apparently, the Humboldt Current

01:34:28.520 --> 01:34:31.420
makes it very difficult to do research out there

01:34:31.420 --> 01:34:33.180
where it becomes very expensive for the equipment

01:34:33.180 --> 01:34:35.680
you need and things like that. But I guarantee

01:34:35.680 --> 01:34:40.520
that you'll find some stuff off the coast. Yeah,

01:34:40.560 --> 01:34:42.859
it just makes sense. Yeah. Especially if you

01:34:42.859 --> 01:34:44.739
find that. I mean, especially we know that sea

01:34:44.739 --> 01:34:48.880
levels were far lower, especially if that really

01:34:48.880 --> 01:34:51.000
is 15 ,000 years ago. We definitely know that

01:34:51.000 --> 01:34:53.899
sea levels were lower then. Yeah, it wasn't like

01:34:53.899 --> 01:34:57.829
this. It's crazy, too, man, because Tom Dille,

01:34:57.890 --> 01:35:03.949
he got so much shit from the academic community

01:35:03.949 --> 01:35:06.909
for his research down in Monteverde and this

01:35:06.909 --> 01:35:08.789
site. Which is interesting how consistent it

01:35:08.789 --> 01:35:10.630
is. It's still going on today, the same way.

01:35:11.149 --> 01:35:15.430
And they're always wrong. Right? You would think

01:35:15.430 --> 01:35:17.449
you might want to have an open, just leave some

01:35:17.449 --> 01:35:21.369
room. The young archaeologists are. I think there's

01:35:21.369 --> 01:35:22.949
a lot of young archaeologists that have grown

01:35:22.949 --> 01:35:25.829
up with the internet and they're really paying

01:35:25.829 --> 01:35:27.270
attention to this stuff and they're realizing

01:35:27.270 --> 01:35:30.369
– and also when you're young and you grow up

01:35:30.369 --> 01:35:32.189
with the internet, you realize like gatekeepers

01:35:32.189 --> 01:35:34.609
of information are a real problem and they always

01:35:34.609 --> 01:35:36.789
have been. And they're wrong about so many things.

01:35:37.050 --> 01:35:39.170
I mean they're wrong about virtually everything.

01:35:39.310 --> 01:35:41.869
The official narrative of almost everything has

01:35:41.869 --> 01:35:45.029
holes in it. Something you said earlier too,

01:35:45.149 --> 01:35:50.180
like – This age of study and exploration and

01:35:50.180 --> 01:35:54.859
radiocarbon, it's not that old. We've only been

01:35:54.859 --> 01:35:57.640
doing this type of research for 100 years with

01:35:57.640 --> 01:36:00.260
some of the new advancements. You don't think

01:36:00.260 --> 01:36:02.020
something else is going to come along that might

01:36:02.020 --> 01:36:04.760
knock that out? Right. You don't want to leave

01:36:04.760 --> 01:36:09.100
room for that? Right. It's kind of dickish. It's

01:36:09.100 --> 01:36:12.319
very dickish, but no need to focus on the dicks.

01:36:12.340 --> 01:36:15.939
But that's why things like Filippo Biondi's work.

01:36:16.479 --> 01:36:20.960
is so devastating to the narrative because this

01:36:20.960 --> 01:36:24.260
new technology, and if it shows that it's accurate,

01:36:24.420 --> 01:36:26.439
and it is accurate on things that we know exist.

01:36:26.720 --> 01:36:28.819
That's where it gets really crazy, especially

01:36:28.819 --> 01:36:32.140
when they looked 1 .2 kilometers through a mountain

01:36:32.140 --> 01:36:34.779
to find the particle collider underneath and

01:36:34.779 --> 01:36:37.380
got the exact dimensions and a map of this particle

01:36:37.380 --> 01:36:39.979
collider. It's wild. Right? So they know that

01:36:39.979 --> 01:36:43.800
it's accurate. So what are those pillars? What

01:36:43.800 --> 01:36:48.659
are these 20 -meter, In diameter, what are these

01:36:48.659 --> 01:36:51.359
things? And why would you not want to divest

01:36:51.359 --> 01:36:54.140
all the money you can possibly do to figure that

01:36:54.140 --> 01:36:57.739
out? I think it'll happen. And I think one of

01:36:57.739 --> 01:36:59.039
the reasons why it's going to happen is because

01:36:59.039 --> 01:37:01.579
of the internet, is because just the pressure

01:37:01.579 --> 01:37:05.380
and the amount of interest. And also, think about

01:37:05.380 --> 01:37:10.670
Egypt, right? Egypt... A large portion of their

01:37:10.670 --> 01:37:14.489
economy is wrapped around the tourism. Yeah.

01:37:14.550 --> 01:37:17.310
Because the tourism in Egypt is phenomenal because

01:37:17.310 --> 01:37:18.869
it's one of the most incredible sites in the

01:37:18.869 --> 01:37:21.430
world. Wouldn't you want it to be even more incredible?

01:37:21.510 --> 01:37:24.670
Like what's more incredible than some unknown

01:37:24.670 --> 01:37:29.989
mystery of spectacular proportion? Something

01:37:29.989 --> 01:37:32.510
that goes a kilometer deep under the pyramids

01:37:32.510 --> 01:37:35.449
and they don't know what it is? Like, this is

01:37:35.449 --> 01:37:38.869
nuts. Also, those shafts that go down that are

01:37:38.869 --> 01:37:40.909
filled with debris now that they can clear out,

01:37:41.010 --> 01:37:44.270
and it leads to what at least this data shows,

01:37:44.430 --> 01:37:48.090
tunnels and caverns and all this shit that's

01:37:48.090 --> 01:37:49.729
underneath there. Like, what is that? That's,

01:37:49.729 --> 01:37:53.529
I mean, and Ben has done phenomenal work putting

01:37:53.529 --> 01:37:54.890
that together. Oh, he's incredible. I love that

01:37:54.890 --> 01:37:58.010
guy. The history and the story and the accounts

01:37:58.010 --> 01:38:00.869
of being in these labyrinths. And he's another

01:38:00.869 --> 01:38:02.470
guy that got into this because of the internet.

01:38:03.020 --> 01:38:06.260
I mean, he had a real career in tech. He was

01:38:06.260 --> 01:38:08.039
like, okay, I'm going to throw this out to be

01:38:08.039 --> 01:38:14.239
a YouTuber. I forget who I was speaking to. My

01:38:14.239 --> 01:38:19.279
goal is to document as much as possible before

01:38:19.279 --> 01:38:23.460
it's not there to document. I mean, it's crazy

01:38:23.460 --> 01:38:27.180
to be on here. My channel, I still feel like

01:38:27.180 --> 01:38:30.640
it's in its infancy. Well, I only found out about

01:38:30.640 --> 01:38:34.020
it a while ago. I want to say four months ago,

01:38:34.159 --> 01:38:36.159
five months ago, something like that. You know,

01:38:36.159 --> 01:38:38.539
I started seeing some of your stuff online, I

01:38:38.539 --> 01:38:41.640
think on X. And I started looking at it on YouTube

01:38:41.640 --> 01:38:46.899
and I was like, yo, this guy's going deep. How

01:38:46.899 --> 01:38:48.880
did you fund all this stuff? I mean, how do you

01:38:48.880 --> 01:38:52.039
have the money to go and do these things? I went

01:38:52.039 --> 01:38:55.340
broke the first expedition. This was a total

01:38:55.340 --> 01:38:59.329
field of dreams. If you build it. I'll see what

01:38:59.329 --> 01:39:07.069
happens. And fortunately, I mean, people saw

01:39:07.069 --> 01:39:09.069
the work I had been doing up until that point.

01:39:09.130 --> 01:39:11.850
There were some GoFundMe donations, which was

01:39:11.850 --> 01:39:14.430
amazing. The fact that, I mean, just thank anybody

01:39:14.430 --> 01:39:19.310
out there, just thank you. Like the people who

01:39:19.310 --> 01:39:21.149
believe in what I'm doing, like that's what fills

01:39:21.149 --> 01:39:24.149
me up the most too, like the encouragement and

01:39:24.149 --> 01:39:27.770
the support from. from people I don't know, you

01:39:27.770 --> 01:39:30.149
know? Well, the content you provide, though,

01:39:30.189 --> 01:39:33.529
is so fascinating. And it's so interesting to

01:39:33.529 --> 01:39:35.130
people like myself and other people that are

01:39:35.130 --> 01:39:37.329
really interested in it. It's just a matter of

01:39:37.329 --> 01:39:39.890
getting you exposure. So the content is so amazing.

01:39:40.090 --> 01:39:42.500
It's just a matter of... People have to find

01:39:42.500 --> 01:39:45.180
out about it. And then, I mean, YouTube's a great,

01:39:45.300 --> 01:39:48.479
the algorithm on YouTube is so good because it'll

01:39:48.479 --> 01:39:50.520
recommend, I'll watch one of your videos and

01:39:50.520 --> 01:39:52.239
it'll recommend something else interesting, you

01:39:52.239 --> 01:39:54.180
know, and then it just keeps going on and on

01:39:54.180 --> 01:39:58.939
and on. Well, and so I came back from that first

01:39:58.939 --> 01:40:01.020
expedition. I was there, the first expedition

01:40:01.020 --> 01:40:04.060
was 23 days. I had two terabytes of footage.

01:40:04.300 --> 01:40:06.359
And it's funny, that footage lasted me a year

01:40:06.359 --> 01:40:09.279
and a half until this expedition. Now, and I

01:40:09.279 --> 01:40:12.659
was out on this last expedition for 42 days all

01:40:12.659 --> 01:40:16.100
over the country. And I mean, the video you were

01:40:16.100 --> 01:40:17.920
talking about when we first started talking.

01:40:19.319 --> 01:40:22.779
That that is to the only there's no drone footage

01:40:22.779 --> 01:40:27.220
of that site ever. There is one Facebook post

01:40:27.220 --> 01:40:29.960
with pictures and that's it. And I was like,

01:40:30.000 --> 01:40:34.859
I have to document this, you know, and. So much

01:40:34.859 --> 01:40:37.420
from the last expedition is like that. It's the

01:40:37.420 --> 01:40:42.220
only media that you'll see of it. The fact that

01:40:42.220 --> 01:40:45.220
these pyramids carved into the bedrock, that

01:40:45.220 --> 01:40:47.119
you're the only one that has media of that, is

01:40:47.119 --> 01:40:50.300
just absolutely insane. What are we looking at

01:40:50.300 --> 01:40:53.479
here? I'm just digging around the area. Oh, yeah.

01:40:53.699 --> 01:40:57.739
This is a mummy lady cow they found in 2006.

01:40:59.560 --> 01:41:01.819
They call her, she might have been the first

01:41:01.819 --> 01:41:05.380
female ruler of the area, the Cleopatra of South

01:41:05.380 --> 01:41:09.380
America. These are pictures of her tattoos. Oh,

01:41:09.380 --> 01:41:14.079
whoa. So actually what's interesting is it is

01:41:14.079 --> 01:41:17.359
being, there's a lot of evidence to say that

01:41:17.359 --> 01:41:21.479
some of these early, early cultures were matriarchal

01:41:21.479 --> 01:41:24.060
because they're finding a lot of the tombs of.

01:41:25.050 --> 01:41:29.750
these queens right there on the coast. The sorcerer.

01:41:29.750 --> 01:41:32.590
Yes, this one pyramid in this area called El

01:41:32.590 --> 01:41:36.510
Brujo, where Huaca Prieta is. Yep. They found

01:41:36.510 --> 01:41:42.529
this dope totem. Whoa. And so I believe this

01:41:42.529 --> 01:41:50.039
was the Moche. El Brujo, there are... These paintings

01:41:50.039 --> 01:41:53.460
are on the wall. Whoa. Yeah, I have a video on

01:41:53.460 --> 01:41:54.319
YouTube about those. That's cool, too, because

01:41:54.319 --> 01:41:57.020
you see paint. So you realize that these things

01:41:57.020 --> 01:41:59.060
were very colorful. Oh, yeah. Naked prisoners,

01:41:59.399 --> 01:42:01.739
and that this is a recreation of what it would

01:42:01.739 --> 01:42:04.600
have looked like then. Those are prisoners? Yeah.

01:42:04.859 --> 01:42:07.159
So the actual thing I thought was cool here,

01:42:07.180 --> 01:42:09.359
too. Why are they painting their prisoners? That's

01:42:09.359 --> 01:42:11.760
weird. I mean, everything was painted, though.

01:42:11.859 --> 01:42:14.180
This was where people... I mean, why are they

01:42:14.180 --> 01:42:17.000
making depictions of their prisoners? You know

01:42:17.000 --> 01:42:18.439
what I mean? Not that they painted it different

01:42:18.439 --> 01:42:21.500
colors, which is kind of cool, but it's interesting.

01:42:21.600 --> 01:42:24.979
Like, how old is this supposed to be? Anywhere

01:42:24.979 --> 01:42:27.319
from 3 ,000. This was a very interesting part.

01:42:27.460 --> 01:42:29.800
3 ,000 B .C. is what they say it goes back to,

01:42:29.859 --> 01:42:32.420
but they say it wasn't developed until modern

01:42:32.420 --> 01:42:36.159
day, like 200 to 600 A .D., which is 3 ,600 years

01:42:36.159 --> 01:42:39.319
of nothing. So I believe it was the Moche culture.

01:42:39.479 --> 01:42:42.420
1990 this one was found, and a Peruvian banker

01:42:42.420 --> 01:42:46.779
is the guy. It says it's Philanthropy. Philanthropically

01:42:46.779 --> 01:42:49.899
minded, I can say it. Right. And the Huacheros

01:42:49.899 --> 01:42:53.260
are the ones who told him about it. And so that's

01:42:53.260 --> 01:42:56.880
– a lot of these places have been found because

01:42:56.880 --> 01:43:02.699
of Huacheros being reported. All of a sudden

01:43:02.699 --> 01:43:04.899
there's an influx in a little village of silver

01:43:04.899 --> 01:43:07.399
or something like that. And then somebody tells

01:43:07.399 --> 01:43:10.800
the authorities. They figure out where they're

01:43:10.800 --> 01:43:14.050
going to dig. I mean there's a – There's a good

01:43:14.050 --> 01:43:18.729
book on it, The Lord of Sipan, where archaeologists

01:43:18.729 --> 01:43:21.949
literally had to, like, stand guard. The townspeople

01:43:21.949 --> 01:43:24.130
weren't happy that when the archaeologists got

01:43:24.130 --> 01:43:26.170
involved and the townspeople were coming to get

01:43:26.170 --> 01:43:28.909
the gold and coming to get the silver. And so

01:43:28.909 --> 01:43:31.310
there's a whole book about it. I don't know why

01:43:31.310 --> 01:43:33.789
nobody's made a movie on it. That makes sense,

01:43:33.850 --> 01:43:35.670
though, right? Because it's life -changing if

01:43:35.670 --> 01:43:38.569
they can find hundreds of thousands of dollars

01:43:38.569 --> 01:43:42.500
worth of gold and silver in the ground. Buck

01:43:42.500 --> 01:43:46.819
these archaeologists. Well, and some of the earliest,

01:43:47.079 --> 01:43:49.800
a lot of this stuff you'll see in the museums,

01:43:49.800 --> 01:43:55.439
like the Larco Herrera Museum, and a lot of this

01:43:55.439 --> 01:43:57.659
stuff, a lot of the pottery is preserved because

01:43:57.659 --> 01:44:00.420
you had these big plantation owners, these big,

01:44:00.420 --> 01:44:04.220
you know, technocrats, and their workers in the

01:44:04.220 --> 01:44:06.800
field would constantly be finding this artwork

01:44:06.800 --> 01:44:11.140
and these huacas. And so they were like, you

01:44:11.140 --> 01:44:12.960
know what? I'll give you $2 every time you bring

01:44:12.960 --> 01:44:16.359
me one. And now we have the Larco Herrera Museum

01:44:16.359 --> 01:44:22.279
full of this stuff. And I was talking to Dr.

01:44:22.319 --> 01:44:24.560
Ed Barnhart about this. There's also so much

01:44:24.560 --> 01:44:27.500
in Peru that the people finding these things,

01:44:27.659 --> 01:44:30.199
they aren't – maybe nowadays they're making a

01:44:30.199 --> 01:44:34.300
lot on stuff. But for the past couple decades,

01:44:34.800 --> 01:44:37.960
there was just so much. You're getting $3 for

01:44:37.960 --> 01:44:42.529
– If you're a Peruvian worker in the field moving

01:44:42.529 --> 01:44:45.550
this thing up the ladder, you're getting $3 for

01:44:45.550 --> 01:44:52.390
a little piece of pottery. How long have you

01:44:52.390 --> 01:44:55.909
been doing this for? I mean, what I've been with

01:44:55.909 --> 01:44:58.350
the channel, two years. That's it? Two years,

01:44:58.430 --> 01:45:00.470
yeah. And what were you doing before that? A

01:45:00.470 --> 01:45:03.430
video editor. And so you just said, you know

01:45:03.430 --> 01:45:05.229
what, I'm going to just take a leap of faith?

01:45:11.439 --> 01:45:13.939
I was posting these things I was finding on Google

01:45:13.939 --> 01:45:15.699
Earth and I was saying, like, I think this is

01:45:15.699 --> 01:45:17.699
something, this is why. I came up with this whole

01:45:17.699 --> 01:45:21.680
methodology and people were like, you're full

01:45:21.680 --> 01:45:24.760
of shit. And I was like, you know what? Let's

01:45:24.760 --> 01:45:30.180
see. And I went and 100 % accuracy. Every single

01:45:30.180 --> 01:45:32.739
place I saw on Google Earth that did not have

01:45:32.739 --> 01:45:35.920
a label was an archaeological site. Every single

01:45:35.920 --> 01:45:39.119
one I went to. And that first expedition. I went

01:45:39.119 --> 01:45:43.699
to 90 in 23 days. 90? That was the first expedition.

01:45:43.979 --> 01:45:47.939
I was there for 42 days this time. Wow. So, like,

01:45:48.039 --> 01:45:50.300
I've got five terabytes worth of video footage

01:45:50.300 --> 01:45:54.579
of things nobody's seen. That's crazy. Yeah.

01:45:54.800 --> 01:45:57.760
But just, I mean, imagine again. What if you

01:45:57.760 --> 01:46:02.100
didn't do this? That's what's nuts. That's what's

01:46:02.100 --> 01:46:04.079
nuts. Like, we would be completely ignorant about

01:46:04.079 --> 01:46:08.630
this stuff. Yeah. Yeah. It just makes you wonder,

01:46:08.689 --> 01:46:12.789
like, what was, like, those stone pyramids carved

01:46:12.789 --> 01:46:14.890
at the bedrock, the only UF footage of it, what

01:46:14.890 --> 01:46:17.569
was that culture? What were they doing? And all

01:46:17.569 --> 01:46:21.229
I have to go off of is what this, what made me

01:46:21.229 --> 01:46:24.789
happy is, like, and I have it on the video, if

01:46:24.789 --> 01:46:25.890
I'm talking to the camera, I'm like, I think

01:46:25.890 --> 01:46:28.199
this, I think that, I think this is carved. And

01:46:28.199 --> 01:46:30.640
that survey verified every little thing, which

01:46:30.640 --> 01:46:33.659
was pretty cool because I'm not academically

01:46:33.659 --> 01:46:37.460
trained to analyze these things, but I have the

01:46:37.460 --> 01:46:41.739
experience. And so it was kind of neat that every

01:46:41.739 --> 01:46:45.659
bullet point was verified by that survey. The

01:46:45.659 --> 01:46:49.920
feeling I got going to that place, that place

01:46:49.920 --> 01:46:52.600
in particular, I don't think they're going to

01:46:52.600 --> 01:46:54.119
find pottery there. I don't think they're going

01:46:54.119 --> 01:46:56.279
to. I think it was pre -ceramic, but I also think.

01:46:56.840 --> 01:46:59.600
There weren't houses. There weren't. There might

01:46:59.600 --> 01:47:03.119
be, you know, if you go digging or do some LIDAR.

01:47:04.279 --> 01:47:06.779
I think it was a place of pilgrimage. That's

01:47:06.779 --> 01:47:08.399
just my personal. I have nothing to back that

01:47:08.399 --> 01:47:13.380
up. That's what I felt, though, kind of. Pilgrimage.

01:47:13.779 --> 01:47:19.479
Kind of like when I was walking there. I don't

01:47:19.479 --> 01:47:22.779
know, man. Peru is weird. The energy in Peru

01:47:22.779 --> 01:47:31.880
is different. In what way? I want to say spiritual

01:47:31.880 --> 01:47:34.140
because I don't have a different word for it.

01:47:34.500 --> 01:47:39.520
It's just you're just in tune with something.

01:47:39.840 --> 01:47:42.460
I mean, maybe it's just the nature. But, I mean,

01:47:42.479 --> 01:47:45.119
I feel different down there, and especially going

01:47:45.119 --> 01:47:47.079
in these far -out places. And when you get to

01:47:47.079 --> 01:47:49.359
some of these sites, like, you feel a little

01:47:49.359 --> 01:47:53.289
different. And so just kind of the intuitive

01:47:53.289 --> 01:47:55.930
impression I got was I wonder if people were

01:47:55.930 --> 01:47:58.529
coming here as some sort of pilgrimage because,

01:47:58.609 --> 01:48:01.550
I mean, there aren't houses there. There's no

01:48:01.550 --> 01:48:03.909
evidence of people living there. But is that

01:48:03.909 --> 01:48:06.989
because of time? It's very possible. That's the

01:48:06.989 --> 01:48:10.029
problem when you're seeing something that's the

01:48:10.029 --> 01:48:14.520
amount of work. That would take to carve something

01:48:14.520 --> 01:48:17.060
out of bedrock like those pyramids. And how many

01:48:17.060 --> 01:48:18.239
of those pyramids did you find? There were like

01:48:18.239 --> 01:48:21.619
16 of them. 16? Yeah. Okay. They're huge. Huge.

01:48:21.659 --> 01:48:24.159
They're carved out of the ground, out of rock,

01:48:24.399 --> 01:48:29.779
with what? Here's the interesting thing. In that

01:48:29.779 --> 01:48:31.920
survey, I didn't know this, and I tried to pinpoint

01:48:31.920 --> 01:48:35.840
the location. That main pyramid I was on, there's

01:48:35.840 --> 01:48:39.539
a black and white photo from 1970 where they

01:48:39.539 --> 01:48:44.470
found a carved out room. In that main pyramid,

01:48:44.630 --> 01:48:47.270
there's a – and it looks like a room. It's been

01:48:47.270 --> 01:48:50.409
human carved out. So there's chambers in some

01:48:50.409 --> 01:48:53.489
of these things. Why aren't we studying it? Right.

01:48:53.829 --> 01:48:57.569
Why haven't we gone back in? Also, how? Like

01:48:57.569 --> 01:49:01.470
what are you using to – Right. Like what kind

01:49:01.470 --> 01:49:04.810
of tools do you have? 6 ,000 years? Like what

01:49:04.810 --> 01:49:09.350
tools were available? And it's so close to the

01:49:09.350 --> 01:49:11.770
ocean, you might not ever know because a tsunami

01:49:11.770 --> 01:49:13.890
comes and it's taking it right back out. Right,

01:49:13.890 --> 01:49:16.470
right. And if it's metal, it's gone anyway. It's

01:49:16.470 --> 01:49:22.210
gone. Same with, I think, also, like, I think

01:49:22.210 --> 01:49:24.310
that little alcove where all the burials were,

01:49:24.510 --> 01:49:27.010
I think that got preserved because it was behind

01:49:27.010 --> 01:49:30.630
this mountain. I think if there was any civilization

01:49:30.630 --> 01:49:33.750
there prior that might have been living there,

01:49:33.930 --> 01:49:37.350
all the bones that were there, they're gone.

01:49:37.739 --> 01:49:41.100
They got taken back out. Of course. And probably

01:49:41.100 --> 01:49:43.680
all the structures, any houses, if they had wooden

01:49:43.680 --> 01:49:46.579
houses. On top of the land. Yeah, gone. Nothing

01:49:46.579 --> 01:49:49.140
left. And so all you're left is with this strong,

01:49:49.520 --> 01:49:51.579
who knows if those things were bigger too, you

01:49:51.579 --> 01:49:54.180
know? Right, right. Who knows what was on top

01:49:54.180 --> 01:49:57.500
of those things, right? Exactly. That's nuts,

01:49:57.659 --> 01:49:59.840
man. The thing that gave it away on that site

01:49:59.840 --> 01:50:04.239
in particular is when you look aerially, every

01:50:04.239 --> 01:50:06.319
single one of those pyramid structures is facing

01:50:06.319 --> 01:50:08.760
northeast. Every single one. And that's for the

01:50:08.760 --> 01:50:11.520
sunrise on the solstice. Right. And I was like,

01:50:11.579 --> 01:50:15.039
this is man -made. This is man -made. And there's

01:50:15.039 --> 01:50:16.800
still people on the comments who are like, that's

01:50:16.800 --> 01:50:21.000
just a mountain. And I'm like, dude, what more

01:50:21.000 --> 01:50:23.699
do you want? They think that those things were

01:50:23.699 --> 01:50:25.880
just. Oh, yeah. They don't think those things

01:50:25.880 --> 01:50:28.159
are man -made? Yeah. They're the same shape.

01:50:28.340 --> 01:50:30.680
Yeah, I know. The same shape, the same size.

01:50:30.819 --> 01:50:32.579
They're all pointing in the same direction. Shut

01:50:32.579 --> 01:50:35.380
the fuck up. I've learned not to fight. You're

01:50:35.380 --> 01:50:36.899
going to believe what you want anyway. You know

01:50:36.899 --> 01:50:41.500
what I mean? It's the history. I mean, Graham

01:50:41.500 --> 01:50:44.100
Hancock has the greatest phrase, that we are

01:50:44.100 --> 01:50:47.260
a species with amnesia. And I think it's true.

01:50:47.399 --> 01:50:50.840
And I think it all points back to not just the

01:50:50.840 --> 01:50:54.039
Younger Dryas impact, but probably several other

01:50:54.039 --> 01:50:56.659
impacts. You know, my friend John Reeves, he

01:50:56.659 --> 01:50:59.699
lives in Alaska and he runs the Boneyard. Yeah,

01:50:59.720 --> 01:51:05.420
yeah. John just sent me some photos of a new

01:51:05.420 --> 01:51:08.819
site that they have that's under all these other

01:51:08.819 --> 01:51:11.489
sites. Like deep under all these other sites

01:51:11.489 --> 01:51:15.350
where they're finding not just bone but charred

01:51:15.350 --> 01:51:20.050
bone. Like an entire area of like burnt tusks,

01:51:20.090 --> 01:51:23.670
burnt bones covered. And he thinks there was

01:51:23.670 --> 01:51:26.590
another impact. An impact. And, you know, just

01:51:26.590 --> 01:51:28.869
– I mean he's just making a rough estimation.

01:51:29.270 --> 01:51:32.090
Because some of the sites that he found, it's

01:51:32.090 --> 01:51:34.869
somewhere around 10 ,000 years ago due to like,

01:51:34.949 --> 01:51:37.470
you know, doing the examination of the cores.

01:51:37.869 --> 01:51:41.039
Yeah. He thinks it's 20 ,000 years ago. So he

01:51:41.039 --> 01:51:44.439
thinks this is probably a normal thing that has

01:51:44.439 --> 01:51:46.579
happened all throughout the history of the earth

01:51:46.579 --> 01:51:50.579
is the earth gets pelted every 10 ,000, every

01:51:50.579 --> 01:51:54.779
20 ,000, whatever. We just get hit. That speaks

01:51:54.779 --> 01:51:59.680
to the myths and the legends and the dryas and

01:51:59.680 --> 01:52:03.380
the yugas. I mean every civilization has its

01:52:03.380 --> 01:52:07.350
version of. This is the fifth epoch or the fourth

01:52:07.350 --> 01:52:11.130
epoch. The first one was fire. The last one was

01:52:11.130 --> 01:52:15.409
water. There's always several cataclysms. The

01:52:15.409 --> 01:52:17.869
yuga stuff is nuts too because it just seems

01:52:17.869 --> 01:52:20.649
like it's so accurate. And we are in Kali Yuga

01:52:20.649 --> 01:52:23.270
right now, which is the age of deception. And

01:52:23.270 --> 01:52:25.770
what's more confusing – that's what it's called,

01:52:25.829 --> 01:52:27.170
right? Isn't it called the age of deception?

01:52:27.729 --> 01:52:33.159
Find out what – so – What's more, if you thought

01:52:33.159 --> 01:52:35.159
that it was all falling apart before it gets

01:52:35.159 --> 01:52:38.380
rebuilt, that's now. This place is fucking crazy.

01:52:38.619 --> 01:52:43.460
Every day the news is nuts. I've gone on a social

01:52:43.460 --> 01:52:46.020
media hiatus over the last few days, and I feel

01:52:46.020 --> 01:52:49.079
so good. I decided two days ago I'm not going

01:52:49.079 --> 01:52:51.319
back. I'm like, I'm not going back. I'll go back

01:52:51.319 --> 01:52:53.579
to post things. I'm never reading it anymore.

01:52:53.880 --> 01:52:57.060
I'll find my news. People send me enough stuff

01:52:57.060 --> 01:52:59.319
as it is. My friends send me things. I don't

01:52:59.319 --> 01:53:00.899
have to click on them, but I know what's going

01:53:00.899 --> 01:53:03.640
on, like what craziness is happening. You just

01:53:03.640 --> 01:53:07.619
feel better when you don't do it. I've been sucked

01:53:07.619 --> 01:53:11.279
into the Nazca mummies thing, sucked me into

01:53:11.279 --> 01:53:15.699
the back and forth on X. It's toxic. It's so

01:53:15.699 --> 01:53:18.600
toxic, man. So toxic. So toxic. And it's like

01:53:18.600 --> 01:53:22.680
at the end of the day, people are going – Look,

01:53:22.699 --> 01:53:24.260
you can have all the evidence saying this one

01:53:24.260 --> 01:53:27.760
thing and everybody agrees. You're going to have

01:53:27.760 --> 01:53:31.180
this group that is like, well, no, for this reason.

01:53:31.260 --> 01:53:33.180
And it's the same thing on the other side too.

01:53:33.300 --> 01:53:38.560
And so it's just this – social media is this

01:53:38.560 --> 01:53:41.699
– what I'm seeing is just this weird loop of

01:53:41.699 --> 01:53:45.560
confirmation bias. And bitchiness and anger and

01:53:45.560 --> 01:53:49.100
arguments and infighting and attacks. And I just

01:53:49.100 --> 01:53:53.359
think that it's – altering the collective psychological

01:53:53.359 --> 01:53:58.060
foundation of our society i agree with you and

01:53:58.060 --> 01:53:59.880
that's what's weird and that's what makes sense

01:53:59.880 --> 01:54:04.539
when you see like crazy protests and crazy people

01:54:04.539 --> 01:54:07.000
online it's like everyone's getting there's something

01:54:07.000 --> 01:54:09.560
that's happening to them well what's this one

01:54:09.560 --> 01:54:13.039
thing that exists with everybody it's social

01:54:13.039 --> 01:54:19.819
media use yep and And I think – I don't know.

01:54:22.039 --> 01:54:24.500
It's hard. I try to stay away and then I found

01:54:24.500 --> 01:54:26.859
myself like last week after I made like these

01:54:26.859 --> 01:54:30.939
videos just for the social media sphere as an

01:54:30.939 --> 01:54:33.699
example. Like I was getting pulled into it. I

01:54:33.699 --> 01:54:36.039
felt myself. As somebody who has not engaged

01:54:36.039 --> 01:54:38.939
that much, I was like something has shifted.

01:54:39.140 --> 01:54:44.250
And like I was ready to – Get defensive and take

01:54:44.250 --> 01:54:46.909
things personally. And I'm like, this is an attack

01:54:46.909 --> 01:54:49.550
back. And I was like, this is just continuing

01:54:49.550 --> 01:54:51.930
the cycle. And I don't want that. I don't want

01:54:51.930 --> 01:54:53.869
that in my life. I don't need any of that. So

01:54:53.869 --> 01:54:57.909
I just stopped, you know, and but the level of

01:54:57.909 --> 01:55:00.470
defensiveness, the level of attacks, the level

01:55:00.470 --> 01:55:03.289
of and it's not even at some points, it's not

01:55:03.289 --> 01:55:05.050
even just taking things personally. The attacks

01:55:05.050 --> 01:55:07.550
are personal sometimes. It's like, what are you

01:55:07.550 --> 01:55:11.449
supposed to do other than not engage? Yeah, you

01:55:11.449 --> 01:55:14.689
can't engage. I say post and ghost. That's my

01:55:14.689 --> 01:55:16.890
strategy. I like it. That's my strategy. And

01:55:16.890 --> 01:55:18.430
then even then, I'm telling people to stay off

01:55:18.430 --> 01:55:19.909
of it so they're not even going to read my stuff.

01:55:20.789 --> 01:55:23.510
They're listening to me, but that's okay. It's

01:55:23.510 --> 01:55:25.810
okay. It's like you find out enough. You find

01:55:25.810 --> 01:55:27.890
out about the important things and find out about

01:55:27.890 --> 01:55:30.210
shows that you enjoy, and then you subscribe.

01:55:30.750 --> 01:55:32.609
And then when new episodes come out, you're like,

01:55:32.630 --> 01:55:35.149
ooh. Yeah, yeah. And so that's what I've been

01:55:35.149 --> 01:55:38.710
doing, and it's a much healthier way. The one

01:55:38.710 --> 01:55:40.539
thing that doesn't – and Jelly Roll was – Tell

01:55:40.539 --> 01:55:42.800
me this. Like, you know, he got off also. He

01:55:42.800 --> 01:55:45.659
had no phone for like 18 months. No phone at

01:55:45.659 --> 01:55:48.239
all. Wow. It was crazy. Yeah. Like I'd contact

01:55:48.239 --> 01:55:51.500
him through his guy that was running his social

01:55:51.500 --> 01:55:53.979
media. Sounds like a healthy choice. Tell Jelly

01:55:53.979 --> 01:55:56.479
I love him. Tell him I said what's up. And then

01:55:56.479 --> 01:56:00.500
recently he got a phone like over the last few

01:56:00.500 --> 01:56:04.020
months and only uses YouTube. He's like my YouTube

01:56:04.020 --> 01:56:06.640
because I learn things. I get interested in things.

01:56:06.720 --> 01:56:09.100
And that's how I feel, too. Like I really enjoy

01:56:09.100 --> 01:56:12.430
YouTube. There's so much interesting content

01:56:12.430 --> 01:56:15.329
on YouTube about everything. I mean it's just

01:56:15.329 --> 01:56:19.029
like – We're living in – I mean this is an incredible

01:56:19.029 --> 01:56:22.829
age where – I mean I feel fortunate for what

01:56:22.829 --> 01:56:25.989
I'm doing that there's an audience for it. And

01:56:25.989 --> 01:56:29.109
there's a platform that can allow that to have

01:56:29.109 --> 01:56:31.689
some reach because some stuff deserves the reach.

01:56:31.789 --> 01:56:33.750
Well, what you're doing is very important. It's

01:56:33.750 --> 01:56:36.050
very important. Just the fact that you are the

01:56:36.050 --> 01:56:40.640
first guy to get media of those – structures.

01:56:40.720 --> 01:56:43.720
That's crazy, man. I mean, it's really kind of

01:56:43.720 --> 01:56:46.020
crazy. You're a video editor. Two years ago,

01:56:46.060 --> 01:56:48.420
you decided to do this. You're the first guy

01:56:48.420 --> 01:56:51.279
who's documenting these things. And then we're

01:56:51.279 --> 01:56:53.920
showing millions of people right now. Kind of

01:56:53.920 --> 01:56:56.039
nuts. Like how few people know that there was

01:56:56.039 --> 01:56:59.500
some kind of a complex society that understood

01:56:59.500 --> 01:57:02.539
the equinoxes, pointing their structure toward

01:57:02.539 --> 01:57:05.520
it, and not just building them with mud and bricks,

01:57:05.600 --> 01:57:10.300
but carving it out of the bedrock in a similar

01:57:10.300 --> 01:57:13.960
shape. Over and over and over again. And that's

01:57:13.960 --> 01:57:16.800
just what you found. Like, imagine how much hasn't

01:57:16.800 --> 01:57:19.720
been found. Dude, you just look at the aerial

01:57:19.720 --> 01:57:24.720
stuff and... I mean, Joe, I can't... That's just

01:57:24.720 --> 01:57:27.319
the tip of the iceberg, man. Like, of the content

01:57:27.319 --> 01:57:30.659
that... I mean, I'm going to places in the middle

01:57:30.659 --> 01:57:34.500
of the desert and seeing an adobe wall peek out

01:57:34.500 --> 01:57:36.680
at this one little section. And then I put the

01:57:36.680 --> 01:57:38.340
drone in the air and you can see the outline

01:57:38.340 --> 01:57:43.020
of this whole structure. Just a little bump in

01:57:43.020 --> 01:57:44.699
the sand. And no one even knows it's there. No

01:57:44.699 --> 01:57:47.060
one even knows it's there. What happened to all

01:57:47.060 --> 01:57:49.119
those people? That's what's nuts. Dude, that's

01:57:49.119 --> 01:57:53.460
the, like, when I say cradle of civilization,

01:57:53.800 --> 01:57:57.399
I mean, this was, I don't know, whatever's bigger

01:57:57.399 --> 01:57:59.520
than a cradle. Well, that's what makes sense,

01:57:59.520 --> 01:58:01.380
right? Because if you think about the Ice Age,

01:58:01.520 --> 01:58:04.000
and if all this stuff is pre -Ice Age or during

01:58:04.000 --> 01:58:07.170
the Ice Age. That area is not covered in ice.

01:58:07.310 --> 01:58:09.310
And it's one of the few areas around the equator

01:58:09.310 --> 01:58:11.890
that's not fucked up. And it's one of the few

01:58:11.890 --> 01:58:14.529
areas where people can thrive. So it really makes

01:58:14.529 --> 01:58:17.529
sense that that would be the area where civilization

01:58:17.529 --> 01:58:20.710
would not just thrive but reach very high levels

01:58:20.710 --> 01:58:22.630
of sophistication where they're able to carve

01:58:22.630 --> 01:58:24.710
into the bedrock these massive pyramid structures.

01:58:25.270 --> 01:58:29.750
There is interesting evidence that – I forgot.

01:58:29.810 --> 01:58:31.470
I was watching. It was on like Discovery or an

01:58:31.470 --> 01:58:35.130
NGO or something. There's evidence in like the

01:58:35.130 --> 01:58:38.430
Okukahe Desert. I mean, they're finding another

01:58:38.430 --> 01:58:41.970
dark trafficking, illegal trafficking web is

01:58:41.970 --> 01:58:44.710
like the sale of fossils because they're finding

01:58:44.710 --> 01:58:49.109
whales in the Okukahe Desert. I was waiting to

01:58:49.109 --> 01:58:51.149
find a good point for this. They found that they

01:58:51.149 --> 01:58:55.510
were using whale vertebrae as stools. So they

01:58:55.510 --> 01:58:57.770
found this giant. Dude, I want those for my bar.

01:58:57.890 --> 01:58:59.829
Dude, that's awesome. I did not know that. In

01:58:59.829 --> 01:59:03.569
2023, they found what could be. Dubbed the most

01:59:03.569 --> 01:59:07.909
heaviest or the heaviest animal ever. Whoa. I've

01:59:07.909 --> 01:59:09.989
been in touch with that guy's nephew. Colossal

01:59:09.989 --> 01:59:14.630
blue whale found outside of Peru. Each vertebrae

01:59:14.630 --> 01:59:17.710
weighs 220 pounds. Yeah, the whole thing, the

01:59:17.710 --> 01:59:22.649
ones they found, 200 tons. And so, like, as you

01:59:22.649 --> 01:59:24.270
were just saying, if they're not buried under

01:59:24.270 --> 01:59:26.670
tons of ice, then these people could, in theory,

01:59:26.750 --> 01:59:29.829
have found. you know lots of these giant holy

01:59:29.829 --> 01:59:32.390
in the desert yeah something else i'm stumbling

01:59:32.390 --> 01:59:35.029
across i didn't get into it blue whale poop this

01:59:35.029 --> 01:59:37.609
apparently got some something interesting to

01:59:37.609 --> 01:59:41.909
it what's the deal with blue whale poop how do

01:59:41.909 --> 01:59:43.670
you go on these deep dives in the middle of the

01:59:43.670 --> 01:59:46.029
podcast jamie you're a wizard dude you start

01:59:46.029 --> 01:59:49.729
seeing stuff like that whoa having a poop neon

01:59:49.729 --> 01:59:55.029
green i'm just imagining these giant 200 ton

01:59:55.460 --> 01:59:58.359
Poops. Poops. And then what you could, I don't

01:59:58.359 --> 02:00:00.479
know, it's red? Oh, God. What are these people

02:00:00.479 --> 02:00:02.640
doing with poop? They also think that they could

02:00:02.640 --> 02:00:04.020
have been eating in a different way. They're

02:00:04.020 --> 02:00:07.399
just sweeping up shrimp and shit from the bottom

02:00:07.399 --> 02:00:10.520
of the ocean. Right. I'm just picturing what

02:00:10.520 --> 02:00:13.899
this looked like in the year zero, where there's

02:00:13.899 --> 02:00:15.859
a bunch of giant whale bones all over the coast.

02:00:16.640 --> 02:00:18.460
And who knows what other octopus or whatever

02:00:18.460 --> 02:00:20.199
the fuck else. What happens to that poop when

02:00:20.199 --> 02:00:23.319
it fossilizes? But no, they're finding that.

02:00:23.439 --> 02:00:27.460
I mean, there is a dark web of trafficking for

02:00:27.460 --> 02:00:30.380
looking for stuff in the Okukahe Desert where

02:00:30.380 --> 02:00:34.100
all these prehistoric animal bones are. They

02:00:34.100 --> 02:00:35.760
found dinosaurs and stuff there too. And again,

02:00:35.859 --> 02:00:38.300
is it just wealthy people that want it for their

02:00:38.300 --> 02:00:42.300
homes? Is that what it is? The stuff I've seen,

02:00:42.380 --> 02:00:45.460
it's... I mean, really, that guy and a few other

02:00:45.460 --> 02:00:47.420
people just kind of going out there illegally

02:00:47.420 --> 02:00:50.260
looking for stuff. But it has to be valuable

02:00:50.260 --> 02:00:52.220
for them to be willing to do this, right? So

02:00:52.220 --> 02:00:56.460
who's buying it? Wealthy oligarchs. Where are

02:00:56.460 --> 02:00:58.140
these fucking people? I never met one of them

02:00:58.140 --> 02:01:00.619
that has some stuff like that. I want to go over

02:01:00.619 --> 02:01:01.920
someone's house like, hey, you want to see some

02:01:01.920 --> 02:01:05.819
shit? You got a whole museum right there. That's

02:01:05.819 --> 02:01:08.380
probably how you wind up on a list. But, I mean,

02:01:08.399 --> 02:01:13.470
there's still – There's still so much out there.

02:01:13.510 --> 02:01:17.310
And I mean, if I just like some of the structures

02:01:17.310 --> 02:01:19.229
I was talking about, like you literally see a

02:01:19.229 --> 02:01:22.390
whole adobe wall. You see a whole temple complex.

02:01:22.449 --> 02:01:26.510
You see the remnants of a circular plaza. I mean,

02:01:26.529 --> 02:01:30.569
there's there's another. If you go to the undocumented

02:01:30.569 --> 02:01:35.090
temple on this on the spreadsheet, this is undocumented.

02:01:35.270 --> 02:01:37.729
No Ministry of Culture sign. It's not on the

02:01:37.729 --> 02:01:40.619
Ministry of Cultures. database of archaeological

02:01:40.619 --> 02:01:43.819
sites. How did you find it? Using Google Earth.

02:01:44.020 --> 02:01:47.100
Wow. And so here's the thing. All right. So circling

02:01:47.100 --> 02:01:49.500
back, we had that Norte Chico culture with the

02:01:49.500 --> 02:01:54.439
sunken plazas way down here. We have this. So

02:01:54.439 --> 02:01:57.600
that, well, that's, that's what I saw on Google

02:01:57.600 --> 02:02:00.180
Earth. No, go ahead. Continue. Okay. So, so you

02:02:00.180 --> 02:02:03.319
have the Corral Supe culture down here and then

02:02:03.319 --> 02:02:06.779
you have the. They found that sunken plaza underneath

02:02:06.779 --> 02:02:10.039
archaeological sites in Chasma, way up here.

02:02:10.239 --> 02:02:12.539
So you have these two different, and they're

02:02:12.539 --> 02:02:15.020
saying they were separate cultures. I think they

02:02:15.020 --> 02:02:19.340
were the same. How far apart are they? 200 kilometers

02:02:19.340 --> 02:02:22.680
or miles, I forget. So what I was like, I was

02:02:22.680 --> 02:02:24.699
like, well, is there a connection between these

02:02:24.699 --> 02:02:27.739
two? So I looked in the valleys in between, and

02:02:27.739 --> 02:02:31.369
I found this. With a temple, with a sunken circular

02:02:31.369 --> 02:02:34.250
plaza. You just found it. Found it on Google

02:02:34.250 --> 02:02:36.909
Earth. Yeah. And then I went and I needed help

02:02:36.909 --> 02:02:40.770
from one of the guys in the field. And a lot

02:02:40.770 --> 02:02:42.949
of the people in these pueblos, they'll know

02:02:42.949 --> 02:02:45.310
every now and then you'll get lucky and someone

02:02:45.310 --> 02:02:47.850
knows the history. Every now and then. More often

02:02:47.850 --> 02:02:51.250
than not, it's, yeah, there's some ruins right

02:02:51.250 --> 02:02:53.350
over there. And that's it. That's the extent

02:02:53.350 --> 02:02:58.520
of their knowledge. And so that was one of these

02:02:58.520 --> 02:03:00.060
occasions where the guy was like, if you just

02:03:00.060 --> 02:03:01.979
go this way and that way. Because I was looking

02:03:01.979 --> 02:03:03.899
for it. I had it pinned on my map, but I was

02:03:03.899 --> 02:03:06.720
getting lost. So I go and I find this place.

02:03:06.859 --> 02:03:09.739
And lo and behold, it's a sunken circular plaza,

02:03:09.779 --> 02:03:13.119
temple structure. I go up on top. There's pottery

02:03:13.119 --> 02:03:17.159
there. You can see where the huaqueros have dug

02:03:17.159 --> 02:03:21.279
things out. There's walls. And it's just unexcavated.

02:03:21.500 --> 02:03:23.640
Nobody surveyed it. There's no documentation

02:03:23.640 --> 02:03:32.130
of it. It's just there. Wow. Can I see it? So

02:03:32.130 --> 02:03:34.310
that's what I saw. This is what you saw on Google

02:03:34.310 --> 02:03:38.270
Earth. Yeah. Okay. And so you're just looking

02:03:38.270 --> 02:03:40.489
in between these two areas. Oh, and it's also

02:03:40.489 --> 02:03:42.670
facing north -northeast too. That also told me

02:03:42.670 --> 02:03:48.310
that it was probably something. Okay. And then

02:03:48.310 --> 02:03:49.689
you see this? This you find on Google Earth?

02:03:49.829 --> 02:03:53.000
That's right next to it. And then you went. And

02:03:53.000 --> 02:03:54.619
then I went. What, are you renting a car? How

02:03:54.619 --> 02:03:57.960
the fuck are you doing this? Yeah. What happens

02:03:57.960 --> 02:04:00.020
if you bring these cars back? They're like, where'd

02:04:00.020 --> 02:04:04.000
you go? Yeah. I have some pictures of driving

02:04:04.000 --> 02:04:09.359
out in the desert, man. Okay, so this guy's helping

02:04:09.359 --> 02:04:11.840
you? Is this the guy, a local? Yeah, he was just

02:04:11.840 --> 02:04:13.960
working in the field there. Okay, so these are

02:04:13.960 --> 02:04:17.340
the fields. And he tells you where this stuff

02:04:17.340 --> 02:04:20.039
is, so all the locals know where this stuff is.

02:04:20.430 --> 02:04:22.789
And then pretty soon I start walking up to it.

02:04:24.649 --> 02:04:27.949
And this is completely undocumented. And you

02:04:27.949 --> 02:04:31.649
can see the plaza there. It's all rubble. So

02:04:31.649 --> 02:04:36.710
something happened, some earthquake. So I'm walking

02:04:36.710 --> 02:04:40.869
up to the top of it. So right now it just looks

02:04:40.869 --> 02:04:42.630
like rubble. It doesn't even look like it was

02:04:42.630 --> 02:04:45.270
a building. Right. From the ground at least.

02:04:46.109 --> 02:04:49.069
So many places I'm like standing right in the

02:04:49.069 --> 02:04:51.100
middle of the. Right in the middle of a site.

02:04:51.159 --> 02:04:52.960
I don't even know until I put the drone in the

02:04:52.960 --> 02:04:56.520
air. Oh. I think it's coming up here. You'll

02:04:56.520 --> 02:05:05.520
see a, let's see. It should come up here shortly.

02:05:05.760 --> 02:05:11.460
There you go. Okay. So. Clearly. Underneath all

02:05:11.460 --> 02:05:16.819
of that is rooms. Right. So you see the bricks.

02:05:17.479 --> 02:05:19.479
A piece of pottery some of the walk arrows took

02:05:19.479 --> 02:05:25.119
out. Wow. But that was evidence to me. So underneath

02:05:25.119 --> 02:05:29.060
this whole thing are walls and chambers and rooms.

02:05:29.840 --> 02:05:32.420
And you just found this on Google Earth. And

02:05:32.420 --> 02:05:36.920
it's the same style as that Corral Supe culture,

02:05:37.279 --> 02:05:42.260
the early one from 3 ,000 to 4 ,000 years ago.

02:05:42.699 --> 02:05:46.720
It's just so hard to believe that this is unexplored.

02:05:47.420 --> 02:05:50.720
And not just that, undocumented, and that you

02:05:50.720 --> 02:05:52.800
just find it on Google. Thank God for, shout

02:05:52.800 --> 02:05:56.020
out to Google Earth. You know, Google Earth deserves

02:05:56.020 --> 02:05:59.739
some props. I mean, seriously, yeah. Crazy. I

02:05:59.739 --> 02:06:01.880
mean, who would have ever thought? People asked

02:06:01.880 --> 02:06:04.699
if I use like advanced satellite stuff, and I've

02:06:04.699 --> 02:06:07.279
only used Google Earth so far. Look at this.

02:06:07.479 --> 02:06:10.560
Clearly, some sort of a civilization was there

02:06:10.560 --> 02:06:15.399
that just got obliterated. So this was weird.

02:06:15.479 --> 02:06:19.170
I don't know. It was just a cactus in the middle

02:06:19.170 --> 02:06:23.130
of it all. It was very strange. Cactuses are

02:06:23.130 --> 02:06:24.989
tough. I still don't know what to make of that.

02:06:25.050 --> 02:06:26.890
They can grow anywhere. That's what's weird about

02:06:26.890 --> 02:06:28.810
it. But it is weird. There's only one. Yeah,

02:06:28.850 --> 02:06:32.310
in the middle of it. Yeah. But so there's pottery

02:06:32.310 --> 02:06:36.430
there. I was wondering if there was one more

02:06:36.430 --> 02:06:40.090
cactus directly aligned with it. Other San Pedro

02:06:40.090 --> 02:06:43.149
cactus down there? Yeah. So these people were

02:06:43.149 --> 02:06:47.020
probably doing something. Something with the

02:06:47.020 --> 02:06:51.380
old psychedelic cactus. I've got a place to show

02:06:51.380 --> 02:06:53.600
you. Because San Pedro cactus is where you get

02:06:53.600 --> 02:06:59.260
mescaline, right? Yes. Yeah. Makes sense that

02:06:59.260 --> 02:07:01.960
if they have these temples and they have, if

02:07:01.960 --> 02:07:04.539
there's a pilgrimage, there's probably some sort

02:07:04.539 --> 02:07:08.039
of a psychedelic ritual involved. Look at this,

02:07:08.060 --> 02:07:11.359
man. What does it feel like to just find something

02:07:11.359 --> 02:07:15.130
that no one even knew existed like this? It's

02:07:15.130 --> 02:07:21.909
got to be a trip. I'm like, thank God I was right.

02:07:23.989 --> 02:07:27.649
Spent 14 hours getting to this place. Thank God

02:07:27.649 --> 02:07:30.449
there was something. But there have been times,

02:07:30.569 --> 02:07:34.109
too, where I'll get there, and Google Earth hasn't

02:07:34.109 --> 02:07:37.489
updated itself, and there's a plantation planted

02:07:37.489 --> 02:07:42.029
over some of it. Do you ask the people what used

02:07:42.029 --> 02:07:45.710
to be here? If there's people around. I mean,

02:07:45.729 --> 02:07:51.529
sometimes. Like I said, you can kind of tell

02:07:51.529 --> 02:07:55.189
when it's corporate. The infrastructure in the

02:07:55.189 --> 02:07:57.130
area is different. But that's the other thing.

02:07:57.210 --> 02:08:01.060
There's nobody monitoring this. I was like, what's

02:08:01.060 --> 02:08:03.199
the solution? Do you pay somebody to call the

02:08:03.199 --> 02:08:05.119
Ministry of Culture when somebody's coming in

02:08:05.119 --> 02:08:07.920
with bulldozers leveling things? And what would

02:08:07.920 --> 02:08:10.199
they even do? Probably the people with the bulldozers

02:08:10.199 --> 02:08:12.340
would just pay them off. Either pay them off

02:08:12.340 --> 02:08:15.920
or... Dude, at that corral site, Ruth Shady,

02:08:16.079 --> 02:08:20.159
she was shot by land traffickers. The archaeologists

02:08:20.159 --> 02:08:23.420
responsible for discovery, land traffickers were

02:08:23.420 --> 02:08:25.420
trying to take over the site, and she was shot.

02:08:25.659 --> 02:08:27.920
She was killed? She wasn't killed. She was shot.

02:08:29.949 --> 02:08:32.810
I mean, she's as recent as a few years ago is

02:08:32.810 --> 02:08:35.170
like we're still not getting protections from

02:08:35.170 --> 02:08:38.050
them. They sent us one security guard to patrol

02:08:38.050 --> 02:08:40.890
the perimeter. These land traffickers, man, like

02:08:40.890 --> 02:08:43.529
and it's for agriculture. It's for agriculture.

02:08:43.649 --> 02:08:46.270
It's not for looting. Looting is a happy byproduct

02:08:46.270 --> 02:08:50.529
for them. It's for the agriculture. Squatters

02:08:50.529 --> 02:08:52.369
issued death threats to archaeologists discovered

02:08:52.369 --> 02:08:56.270
oldest city in America's. The oldest city in

02:08:56.270 --> 02:08:58.970
the Americas. And you're getting one rent a cop.

02:08:59.399 --> 02:09:03.340
Wow. They called the site's lawyers and said

02:09:03.340 --> 02:09:05.460
that if he continued to protect me, they would

02:09:05.460 --> 02:09:08.399
kill him along with me and bury us five meters

02:09:08.399 --> 02:09:12.100
below the ground. And she's 73. They killed our

02:09:12.100 --> 02:09:17.680
dog as a warning. Oh, God. They actually, I think

02:09:17.680 --> 02:09:21.060
it was, because when they excavate, they do it

02:09:21.060 --> 02:09:23.100
in seasons and stuff, and there was one season

02:09:23.100 --> 02:09:25.819
where land traffickers had started building on

02:09:25.819 --> 02:09:29.770
part of the site. in the off -season from digging,

02:09:29.850 --> 02:09:31.989
so they had to deal with all of that. I mean,

02:09:32.010 --> 02:09:34.789
it's crazy. It's like the Wild West, man. Wow.

02:09:35.550 --> 02:09:37.649
Any other sites to show us that are particularly

02:09:37.649 --> 02:09:40.970
compelling? I mean, dude, there's... I know.

02:09:41.029 --> 02:09:44.109
We could go on forever, but... If you look at

02:09:44.109 --> 02:09:48.810
Chavin, C -H -A, it's just on the media hard

02:09:48.810 --> 02:09:51.750
drive. So we're talking about underground structures

02:09:51.750 --> 02:09:54.229
and hallucinogens and stuff like that. This place,

02:09:54.329 --> 02:10:01.039
Chavin. Now, this is a known archaeological site.

02:10:01.159 --> 02:10:04.939
And how old is this place? I think 2 ,000, right

02:10:04.939 --> 02:10:09.000
around zero. Look how far down it goes. How deep

02:10:09.000 --> 02:10:13.520
does it go? This is nuts. Right? And this is

02:10:13.520 --> 02:10:18.859
just one part of it. Whoa. And this is 2 ,000

02:10:18.859 --> 02:10:24.640
years old, at least. At least. Wow. So they won't

02:10:24.640 --> 02:10:26.640
let you film in the other section. It kind of

02:10:26.640 --> 02:10:29.819
looks like this. Why won't they let you film

02:10:29.819 --> 02:10:32.060
there? Because there's something called the Lanzon

02:10:32.060 --> 02:10:34.939
monolith. And if you look that up, Jamie, L -A

02:10:34.939 --> 02:10:46.340
-N -Z -O -N monolith. So that's it. So they won't

02:10:46.340 --> 02:10:48.100
let you film in there because too many people

02:10:48.100 --> 02:10:50.619
go in there and take pictures and the flash supposedly.

02:10:51.920 --> 02:10:55.079
So they just, yeah. The flash. Dude, but when

02:10:55.079 --> 02:10:56.819
I went in there, the security guard was right

02:10:56.819 --> 02:10:59.500
behind me the whole time. He knew I was going

02:10:59.500 --> 02:11:00.560
to try to take a picture. Yeah, but you could

02:11:00.560 --> 02:11:02.359
take a picture with no flash now, especially

02:11:02.359 --> 02:11:05.039
with like the new iPhones and Samsung phones.

02:11:05.159 --> 02:11:07.500
You could take some really high resolution photos.

02:11:08.000 --> 02:11:10.880
The guard said not enough people know how to

02:11:10.880 --> 02:11:14.140
turn it off on their phone. Oh, boy. So, but

02:11:14.140 --> 02:11:16.819
when you walk in. Flash is fucking it up? That

02:11:16.819 --> 02:11:19.949
seems crazy. That seems like voodoo. Doesn't

02:11:19.949 --> 02:11:23.350
it? Doesn't it? It could do it to paint and stuff.

02:11:23.590 --> 02:11:25.029
Come on. There's no paint on that fucking thing.

02:11:25.670 --> 02:11:28.850
And it's behind a piece of plexiglass, too. That

02:11:28.850 --> 02:11:30.409
sounds like they're just control freaks. Like,

02:11:30.409 --> 02:11:32.529
fuck off, dude. They make a reason for sure just

02:11:32.529 --> 02:11:35.989
to tell people. So the whole thing about this

02:11:35.989 --> 02:11:37.789
place, you saw how deep we went underground.

02:11:38.649 --> 02:11:41.529
It's in a comparable place with these hallways.

02:11:42.029 --> 02:11:45.489
And, Joe, I'm completely stone cold sober. That's

02:11:45.489 --> 02:11:48.189
what it looks like? As soon as I walked in underground.

02:11:49.000 --> 02:11:53.979
Something hits you. It's... The air is different.

02:11:55.000 --> 02:11:58.239
Dude, I don't know how to describe it. And how'd

02:11:58.239 --> 02:12:04.560
you feel? Lighter and a little messed up in the

02:12:04.560 --> 02:12:06.800
head, man. Really? Yeah. Do you think it was

02:12:06.800 --> 02:12:11.079
a lack of oxygen? It's possible. Because it seems

02:12:11.079 --> 02:12:13.439
like you're deep, deep, deep underground, probably

02:12:13.439 --> 02:12:16.039
limited oxygen because you've got these caverns

02:12:16.039 --> 02:12:19.060
and just got a hole to the top. I mean, honestly,

02:12:19.380 --> 02:12:21.739
I wonder if it's built on some sort of, I don't

02:12:21.739 --> 02:12:27.760
know, like the sacred energy or Delphi with the

02:12:27.760 --> 02:12:30.000
gases or something like that. I don't know. Getting

02:12:30.000 --> 02:12:33.079
gassed in there? All I know is that when you

02:12:33.079 --> 02:12:36.579
go in. Show me that totem again, that monolith.

02:12:37.199 --> 02:12:41.149
What they found is. They found evidence of rituals

02:12:41.149 --> 02:12:45.229
happening there, like plates with hallucinogenic

02:12:45.229 --> 02:12:48.850
plants or substances. So people were going down

02:12:48.850 --> 02:12:51.909
there to do these rituals and do this space.

02:12:52.010 --> 02:12:54.710
I mean, if you're going to go on a trip, that's

02:12:54.710 --> 02:12:58.710
the place to do it. Right. It's just, you're

02:12:58.710 --> 02:13:01.869
in an enclosed space. The acoustics are so weird.

02:13:02.210 --> 02:13:06.279
It's trippy, man. What is that image on that

02:13:06.279 --> 02:13:09.880
thing? It's a jaguar. There's a whole bunch of

02:13:09.880 --> 02:13:12.180
imagery here. That's like the fanged. So for

02:13:12.180 --> 02:13:15.380
a while they thought this culture, the Chavin

02:13:15.380 --> 02:13:19.880
culture, was responsible for the onset of religion

02:13:19.880 --> 02:13:23.380
in Peru. They called it the mother culture for

02:13:23.380 --> 02:13:28.319
decades. And you see this fanged deity. Dr. Barnhart

02:13:28.319 --> 02:13:31.220
talks about it a lot, this jaguar -looking deity.

02:13:32.319 --> 02:13:35.399
They thought it came from there. But there's

02:13:35.399 --> 02:13:37.220
actually places that I went to where you see

02:13:37.220 --> 02:13:40.460
it on the coast for older. So it actually kind

02:13:40.460 --> 02:13:43.340
of flips that whole – it's not the mother culture.

02:13:44.460 --> 02:13:46.960
But their influence and their reach was extreme

02:13:46.960 --> 02:13:53.000
throughout the Andean world. So they were responsible

02:13:53.000 --> 02:13:56.039
for – that's when like religion took – and iconography

02:13:56.039 --> 02:13:58.939
got a major influx right after Chavin culture.

02:13:59.239 --> 02:14:03.710
They had it before but not like this. So that's

02:14:03.710 --> 02:14:08.869
what's on that statue. Wow. Yeah. It's just so

02:14:08.869 --> 02:14:10.710
ridiculous. They won't let you take a picture

02:14:10.710 --> 02:14:13.439
because of the flash. That's so good. Somebody

02:14:13.439 --> 02:14:15.300
should talk to them. Hey, man, shut the fuck

02:14:15.300 --> 02:14:18.680
up. That flash doesn't do anything. Devotees

02:14:18.680 --> 02:14:20.880
would be leaded to the maze of pitch black tunnels,

02:14:21.000 --> 02:14:23.039
eventually coming face to face with the sculpture.

02:14:23.279 --> 02:14:26.560
The worshippers' disorientation, in addition

02:14:26.560 --> 02:14:28.720
to the hallucinogenic effects of the San Pedro

02:14:28.720 --> 02:14:31.399
cactus they were given before entering, only

02:14:31.399 --> 02:14:34.020
heightened the visual and psychological impact

02:14:34.020 --> 02:14:41.270
of the sculpture. I mean, that's... God, people

02:14:41.270 --> 02:14:42.930
are weird. They must have had it lit up with

02:14:42.930 --> 02:14:45.350
fire or something fucking sweet. Yeah. Dude,

02:14:45.369 --> 02:14:49.670
just going in there stone cold sober and feeling

02:14:49.670 --> 02:14:52.050
affected, I can only imagine what it was like

02:14:52.050 --> 02:14:54.069
being on San Pedro. Is that the weirdest place

02:14:54.069 --> 02:14:59.989
that you've been to in Peru? Sacsayhuaman seems

02:14:59.989 --> 02:15:03.470
to me to be the most bizarre because just the

02:15:03.470 --> 02:15:07.350
size of the stones. Oh, yeah. I mean. Like how?

02:15:08.529 --> 02:15:13.960
How? I mean, how? I don't know, man. What are

02:15:13.960 --> 02:15:17.039
you guys doing? How'd you do this? How'd you

02:15:17.039 --> 02:15:19.100
figure out to make them interlocking in a way

02:15:19.100 --> 02:15:21.199
that if there's a seismic impact, they stay put?

02:15:22.220 --> 02:15:24.640
How? How'd you get them there? How do they look

02:15:24.640 --> 02:15:28.060
like marshmallows? Yeah. It looks like they're

02:15:28.060 --> 02:15:30.760
melted. I've gone on some deep dives. It's funny

02:15:30.760 --> 02:15:34.159
on that. Yeah, look at that. Fuck, man. The big

02:15:34.159 --> 02:15:39.880
ones on the bottom, like, how? And it's the style

02:15:39.880 --> 02:15:42.500
of them, too, which is so different where, as

02:15:42.500 --> 02:15:44.060
you said, it looks like marshmallows. They're

02:15:44.060 --> 02:15:47.119
melted into place almost. Like, look at that

02:15:47.119 --> 02:15:49.960
one big one in the center. What the hell is that?

02:15:50.119 --> 02:15:53.079
How big is that? I forget, but they go up to

02:15:53.079 --> 02:15:55.239
200 tons, I think. That's got to be bigger than

02:15:55.239 --> 02:15:58.779
200 tons. Don't you think? Probably. Look how

02:15:58.779 --> 02:16:00.399
small those people are, and those people are

02:16:00.399 --> 02:16:03.119
in the foreground. Get those people right up

02:16:03.119 --> 02:16:05.859
next to that thing. They'd be tiny. Well, maybe

02:16:05.859 --> 02:16:08.260
it is 200. I don't know. But either way, fucking

02:16:08.260 --> 02:16:11.399
nuts. That one up there. You know how rounded

02:16:11.399 --> 02:16:13.680
these things are. Yeah. And you can't get a piece

02:16:13.680 --> 02:16:15.779
of paper. The only way they've been dislodged

02:16:15.779 --> 02:16:18.739
is because of earthquakes. I mean, like it's.

02:16:19.340 --> 02:16:21.920
Bro, look at the size of that. And look at the

02:16:21.920 --> 02:16:25.100
way they interlock. You can tell when you get

02:16:25.100 --> 02:16:30.420
up close, there is this reddish residue. Oh.

02:16:33.050 --> 02:16:38.590
There's so much red. You can see there's often

02:16:38.590 --> 02:16:41.370
reddish residue. So they were painted at one

02:16:41.370 --> 02:16:44.870
point in time? No, I think it was in the Spanish.

02:16:46.549 --> 02:16:49.969
The indigenous people will tell you that, and

02:16:49.969 --> 02:16:51.989
actually Percy Fawcett wrote about it in his

02:16:51.989 --> 02:16:54.229
journals too, like this bird that would take

02:16:54.229 --> 02:16:56.809
a leaf, a red leaf, and peck it into the rock.

02:16:57.819 --> 02:16:59.700
After a little bit of time, it would create a

02:16:59.700 --> 02:17:02.120
hole in the rock. It would kind of melt the stone.

02:17:02.479 --> 02:17:06.659
Actually, the guy from the video, that unregistered

02:17:06.659 --> 02:17:09.379
megalithic site, told me the same story. Okay.

02:17:09.420 --> 02:17:10.799
I know what you're talking about. Right. There's

02:17:10.799 --> 02:17:14.100
a specific type of plant that has like an acid

02:17:14.100 --> 02:17:20.799
to it. An acid. And I've started to – I like

02:17:20.799 --> 02:17:24.139
Dr. Barnhart's theory. And there's also a paper

02:17:24.139 --> 02:17:26.899
on it, a peer -reviewed paper by Helmut – tributes

02:17:26.899 --> 02:17:30.579
where he talks about look if you mix if you mix

02:17:30.579 --> 02:17:32.959
pyrite from the offshoot of one of these inken

02:17:32.959 --> 02:17:37.120
mines with this with this plantish material you

02:17:37.120 --> 02:17:41.180
can create like an acid that will slightly deform

02:17:41.180 --> 02:17:44.180
the stone So maybe you would set the stones in

02:17:44.180 --> 02:17:48.020
place that way? Secrets of softened stone, the

02:17:48.020 --> 02:17:50.280
lost techniques of the ink from Facebook. So

02:17:50.280 --> 02:17:53.639
you know it's true. No, no, no. But George Lira

02:17:53.639 --> 02:17:56.680
was – I did a whole – some of my early videos,

02:17:56.760 --> 02:17:59.440
man, are like research papers. Like I went on

02:17:59.440 --> 02:18:03.399
a deep dive with all this. And the Spanish chroniclers

02:18:03.399 --> 02:18:08.680
talk about seeing gold in between some of the

02:18:08.680 --> 02:18:12.079
stones. But this guy also, Helmut Tributsch,

02:18:12.079 --> 02:18:13.319
who wrote the paper, says, what if it wasn't

02:18:13.319 --> 02:18:15.420
gold? What if it was pyrite fusing the stones,

02:18:15.500 --> 02:18:17.379
helping to fuse the stones together with this

02:18:17.379 --> 02:18:20.739
paste? Look what it says there. It says, the

02:18:20.739 --> 02:18:23.899
technique to carve and shape the stones remains

02:18:23.899 --> 02:18:26.540
a mystery. According to legends, the gods would

02:18:26.540 --> 02:18:29.340
have gifted the Incas two magical plants, coke,

02:18:29.559 --> 02:18:31.979
so coca leaves, which allowed them to withstand

02:18:31.979 --> 02:18:35.219
pain and physical exhaustion, and another plant

02:18:35.219 --> 02:18:39.239
that allowed them to soften stones. Soften stones.

02:18:39.719 --> 02:18:41.540
But you see that red residue in between them.

02:18:41.540 --> 02:18:43.639
That also makes sense. They did so much work.

02:18:43.680 --> 02:18:47.440
They're all coked up. Fucking making these dope

02:18:47.440 --> 02:18:49.879
pyramids. When I was a kid, this was the picture

02:18:49.879 --> 02:18:51.899
I clicked on, but that didn't pop up. Oh, that

02:18:51.899 --> 02:18:56.520
can't be real. No, I've seen that. That's an

02:18:56.520 --> 02:19:05.700
artistic creation. If you pull up... Do you want

02:19:05.700 --> 02:19:07.739
to stay on Cusco or go to one other place? It's

02:19:07.739 --> 02:19:10.079
up to you, dog. Whatever you want to do. Let's

02:19:10.079 --> 02:19:16.780
go to Tunnels, Cusco. Dude, this whole part of

02:19:16.780 --> 02:19:21.620
the Andes, yeah, there's tunnels everywhere,

02:19:21.840 --> 02:19:24.440
man. Like, it's not just what they're doing.

02:19:26.559 --> 02:19:29.520
So you're climbing down into this tunnel. Now,

02:19:29.540 --> 02:19:31.959
is this a naturally formed hole? Some of it.

02:19:32.219 --> 02:19:37.110
Some of it? Okay. On the way out, you'll see

02:19:37.110 --> 02:19:39.989
when I'm going in, there's steps. Those were

02:19:39.989 --> 02:19:42.430
actual steps that were built. But these things,

02:19:42.610 --> 02:19:46.270
dude, you can't get to the end. You can't find

02:19:46.270 --> 02:19:48.969
people. There are stories where kids get lost

02:19:48.969 --> 02:19:51.809
in these things and never found. Oh, fuck. So,

02:19:51.889 --> 02:19:55.069
again, these look like natural caves. Right.

02:19:55.129 --> 02:19:58.180
Some of them have been carved out. So it's a

02:19:58.180 --> 02:20:00.540
combination of both. It's a combination. So probably

02:20:00.540 --> 02:20:03.159
there was some natural caves and then they started

02:20:03.159 --> 02:20:05.600
carving things out. Well, the whole thing about

02:20:05.600 --> 02:20:08.579
it was... This gets weird. So this is the steps?

02:20:08.959 --> 02:20:13.700
Yeah, coming up on the right. I mean, it just

02:20:13.700 --> 02:20:18.209
keeps going on. Oh, I'm not going in there. There's

02:20:18.209 --> 02:20:20.729
the steps. Jamie, can you imagine you and me

02:20:20.729 --> 02:20:22.889
outside the door going, uh -uh. You go first.

02:20:23.569 --> 02:20:25.809
I'll follow you. That's how my catch -what guide

02:20:25.809 --> 02:20:28.809
was, man. He was just filming me. Fuck you, bro.

02:20:28.989 --> 02:20:31.069
I'm not going in there. I was like, I'll go in.

02:20:31.229 --> 02:20:32.969
There's probably demons in there. That's like

02:20:32.969 --> 02:20:35.090
that movie. What was that movie? The Descent?

02:20:35.090 --> 02:20:37.250
The Descent, dude. That movie's great. Dude,

02:20:37.370 --> 02:20:39.370
I love that movie. That movie's great. I watched

02:20:39.370 --> 02:20:42.190
it a while ago. I was like, 2005? That's wild.

02:20:42.229 --> 02:20:44.270
That's an old movie, yeah. They did a Descent,

02:20:44.270 --> 02:20:47.450
too. It's not as good. Yeah. It's okay. It's

02:20:47.450 --> 02:20:50.709
not the best. But this one was awesome. Yeah.

02:20:50.750 --> 02:20:53.350
One of the best horror flicks I've ever seen.

02:20:53.770 --> 02:20:56.430
And there's another one, huh? Oh, fuck that hole.

02:20:57.200 --> 02:20:59.040
Did you go in there? Please tell me you went

02:20:59.040 --> 02:21:01.440
in there. Of course I did, Joe. Of course I did.

02:21:02.739 --> 02:21:07.760
With your Pillars of the Past shirt on. Oh, my

02:21:07.760 --> 02:21:09.579
God, dude. I don't even think I would fit in

02:21:09.579 --> 02:21:11.819
that hole. I got a little scared because coming

02:21:11.819 --> 02:21:14.479
out wasn't easy. I was just reading about this

02:21:14.479 --> 02:21:17.020
guy who died in one of those holes. A guy was

02:21:17.020 --> 02:21:20.360
a cave crawler, and he got stuck trying to get

02:21:20.360 --> 02:21:23.659
out. He got in head first and then could not

02:21:23.659 --> 02:21:26.420
get out. And was just stuck. Died there. Dude.

02:21:26.809 --> 02:21:29.670
Like that? Like that. Couldn't even scream because

02:21:29.670 --> 02:21:33.149
his chest was compressed. Oh, God. Yeah, I mean,

02:21:33.170 --> 02:21:34.690
there's some stuff I've done I'm not going to

02:21:34.690 --> 02:21:36.850
do it. He was at an angle like this, you know,

02:21:36.870 --> 02:21:38.790
and just couldn't, there's no way to get back

02:21:38.790 --> 02:21:41.309
out. That's terrifying. Ooh. That's terrifying.

02:21:41.309 --> 02:21:43.309
You know how that never happens? You don't go

02:21:43.309 --> 02:21:45.329
in there. You don't go in there, you never dive

02:21:45.329 --> 02:21:47.590
in a cave. You never dive in a cave. I'll take

02:21:47.590 --> 02:21:51.670
that into consideration. All right, before we

02:21:51.670 --> 02:21:52.950
wrap this up, anything else you want to show

02:21:52.950 --> 02:21:57.809
us? All right, one more site. Okay. Chisnery,

02:21:57.809 --> 02:22:02.549
the C -H -I -S. Which one? There's four videos.

02:22:03.610 --> 02:22:06.709
Let's just do the drone footage and then inside

02:22:06.709 --> 02:22:11.270
tombs. So this place, I had no idea places like

02:22:11.270 --> 02:22:15.750
this. It's just me and my guide. Dude, the people

02:22:15.750 --> 02:22:18.209
I met on this, it's just by happenstance. He's

02:22:18.209 --> 02:22:20.889
the president of the community there, the little

02:22:20.889 --> 02:22:25.229
compassino. Took 12 hours out of his day to walk

02:22:25.229 --> 02:22:29.590
me through this place. That's cool. That's another

02:22:29.590 --> 02:22:31.690
build it and they will come thing, right? It

02:22:31.690 --> 02:22:34.069
really is. You just go out there and you'll find

02:22:34.069 --> 02:22:38.889
the right people. Or they kill your dog. Yeah.

02:22:40.030 --> 02:22:45.590
Okay. Ooh, the paint's still on it. It's actually

02:22:45.590 --> 02:22:49.510
not paint. It's mud. It's different colored mud.

02:22:49.790 --> 02:22:55.159
That's what he said. Now in that next video,

02:22:55.319 --> 02:23:06.180
we're going to walk up to them. Whoa, skulls.

02:23:06.180 --> 02:23:10.399
The sky people? Do you know? No, the Chachapoyas

02:23:10.399 --> 02:23:14.620
were much further north. These are elongated

02:23:14.620 --> 02:23:16.739
skulls. You see that skull, right? Yeah. This

02:23:16.739 --> 02:23:22.629
is in the Cusco region. Wow. What the fuck, dude?

02:23:22.870 --> 02:23:24.729
Yeah, man. Why are all these dead people in that

02:23:24.729 --> 02:23:29.629
hole? Whoa! What's going on in there? These were

02:23:29.629 --> 02:23:32.149
where they would bury their deceased. They'd

02:23:32.149 --> 02:23:35.350
just chuck them in a hole? No, they weren't like

02:23:35.350 --> 02:23:38.590
that. So this is all just looting? This is looting.

02:23:38.790 --> 02:23:42.170
This is all looting. Fucking skulls are everywhere.

02:23:42.329 --> 02:23:44.430
This is crazy. It's wild, man. This is like a

02:23:44.430 --> 02:23:47.030
horror movie. This is like the beginning of a

02:23:47.030 --> 02:23:49.469
horror movie before it gets dark out. The guys,

02:23:49.510 --> 02:23:52.149
these archaeologists, it's probably you. You're

02:23:52.149 --> 02:23:55.229
out there. In the movie, you'd bring a girl with

02:23:55.229 --> 02:23:56.909
you. You have to leave this place before the

02:23:56.909 --> 02:24:02.389
sun goes down. 100 ,000%. Bro, you're going to

02:24:02.389 --> 02:24:04.909
hear voices. You're going to hear dead languages.

02:24:05.510 --> 02:24:09.090
No camping in the valley. You don't have to be

02:24:09.090 --> 02:24:13.090
a gangster to fucking take a nap in there. Ghost

02:24:13.090 --> 02:24:14.750
hunters should definitely go there. Oh, yeah.

02:24:14.870 --> 02:24:17.579
I'll get Sam and Colby to go down there. I bet

02:24:17.579 --> 02:24:20.340
they won't do it. That's real ghosts. This is

02:24:20.340 --> 02:24:24.239
all from looting. Wow. So they just dug these

02:24:24.239 --> 02:24:27.200
people up, stole whatever. Yeah, that's a spine.

02:24:27.620 --> 02:24:31.479
Yeah. Fuck, man. God, there's so many bones.

02:24:33.219 --> 02:24:38.390
That's nuts. It's crazy, man. That's nuts. Well,

02:24:38.390 --> 02:24:41.389
Raul, I'm happy. I'm so happy that you made that

02:24:41.389 --> 02:24:44.690
decision a couple years ago to just follow this

02:24:44.690 --> 02:24:47.549
passion. And the content that you put out is

02:24:47.549 --> 02:24:48.989
really incredible. And the fact that you've been

02:24:48.989 --> 02:24:52.469
able to find these sites that are – heretofore

02:24:52.469 --> 02:24:55.870
undocumented it's it's really amazing man it's

02:24:55.870 --> 02:24:58.469
it's amazing i'm happy you're doing it and uh

02:24:58.469 --> 02:25:01.870
i really enjoyed having you on and uh for everybody

02:25:01.870 --> 02:25:04.309
who wants to watch it's pillars of the past it's

02:25:04.309 --> 02:25:07.129
on youtube um do you put videos up on x as well

02:25:07.129 --> 02:25:09.829
i do i have started putting videos up on x and

02:25:09.829 --> 02:25:12.629
um you know my website's going to be up and running

02:25:12.629 --> 02:25:16.309
soon it's going to be a place if you You know,

02:25:16.329 --> 02:25:18.329
if you find places and want to put it on a map

02:25:18.329 --> 02:25:20.709
and, you know, if Jamie wants to comment on it,

02:25:20.750 --> 02:25:22.950
then he can comment on the pin you put. I'm trying

02:25:22.950 --> 02:25:25.129
to build something because people send me stuff

02:25:25.129 --> 02:25:27.430
all the time. Right. Have some sort of a thriving

02:25:27.430 --> 02:25:29.049
community of people that are interested in the

02:25:29.049 --> 02:25:31.870
same thing. Absolutely. Well, there's an interest

02:25:31.870 --> 02:25:34.950
for this stuff now. I really credit Graham, Graham

02:25:34.950 --> 02:25:38.530
Hancock, I think, because he was the real pioneer

02:25:38.530 --> 02:25:41.170
of this when people just thought he was a loon.

02:25:41.290 --> 02:25:42.870
I remember people would make fun of me for reading

02:25:42.870 --> 02:25:45.049
his book in the late 90s. They'd make fun of

02:25:45.049 --> 02:25:46.389
me. Like, what are you reading this bullshit

02:25:46.389 --> 02:25:47.909
from? Why don't you go to a real history class?

02:25:49.350 --> 02:25:51.889
That's not fun. No. This is fun. This is fun.

02:25:52.090 --> 02:25:54.549
It's fun to think that we don't know what happened,

02:25:54.569 --> 02:25:56.770
but that something happened. And Graham puts

02:25:56.770 --> 02:25:59.790
in the work. He does. I mean, just look at the

02:25:59.790 --> 02:26:03.170
citation section. He puts in the work. Of course.

02:26:03.530 --> 02:26:06.010
Yeah, he's an amazing human, you know, which

02:26:06.010 --> 02:26:09.980
is why they have to lie to discredit him. When

02:26:09.980 --> 02:26:12.959
he put that material out and then I think the

02:26:12.959 --> 02:26:16.680
Netflix show really started opening up the gates

02:26:16.680 --> 02:26:19.120
to people exploring this stuff more and just

02:26:19.120 --> 02:26:21.159
being fascinated by it and then seeking out content

02:26:21.159 --> 02:26:26.260
like yours. We're really fortunate now. There's

02:26:26.260 --> 02:26:29.520
quite a few really good shows that are on YouTube

02:26:29.520 --> 02:26:33.760
that document this kind of stuff. These are real

02:26:33.760 --> 02:26:37.510
mysteries. There's real mysteries when it comes

02:26:37.510 --> 02:26:41.950
to human history. And to me, it's one of the

02:26:41.950 --> 02:26:44.129
most fascinating things. I agree with you. I

02:26:44.129 --> 02:26:46.469
love it. So thank you so much for doing what

02:26:46.469 --> 02:26:50.030
you do. And get out there again and let's come

02:26:50.030 --> 02:26:52.110
back and do another one of these. I would be

02:26:52.110 --> 02:26:58.469
happy to. Just a few plugs. I'll be speaking

02:26:58.469 --> 02:27:01.709
because of all this, which is just amazing. I

02:27:01.709 --> 02:27:03.629
still feel like everything's in its infancy,

02:27:03.690 --> 02:27:06.430
so I'm humbled by the opportunities that keep

02:27:06.430 --> 02:27:08.370
presenting themselves. But, like, the Quest for

02:27:08.370 --> 02:27:11.569
Ancient Civilizations conference in Sedona, and

02:27:11.569 --> 02:27:12.629
then it's actually going to be here. Of course

02:27:12.629 --> 02:27:14.430
it's in Sedona. It's going to be here in Austin,

02:27:14.549 --> 02:27:17.889
too. Of course it's here, too. Two kooky places.

02:27:18.309 --> 02:27:20.610
ACL Live, I think, is there. Oh, nice. Okay.

02:27:21.069 --> 02:27:23.190
It's an amazing venue. That's going to be in

02:27:23.190 --> 02:27:26.409
Austin. october uh and then i'm doing a tour

02:27:26.409 --> 02:27:28.549
with mike collins from wandering wolf in the

02:27:28.549 --> 02:27:31.610
yucatan and with hugh newman we're doing a let

02:27:31.610 --> 02:27:32.870
me ask you about that what do you think about

02:27:32.870 --> 02:27:35.450
that sage wall because he's the guy that goes

02:27:35.450 --> 02:27:37.149
over the sage you think it's a natural formation

02:27:37.149 --> 02:27:41.209
i think it's more likely more like the way i

02:27:41.209 --> 02:27:47.430
operate is i'm i tend to remain skeptical i i

02:27:47.430 --> 02:27:51.670
would like multiple pieces of There's also similar

02:27:51.670 --> 02:27:55.370
things nearby that aren't as spectacular that

02:27:55.370 --> 02:27:58.229
are natural, right? I believe so, yes. Yeah,

02:27:58.610 --> 02:28:00.409
there's something about the geology of the area.

02:28:00.649 --> 02:28:03.649
And I found places like that in Peru as well.

02:28:03.850 --> 02:28:06.250
I mean, I'm waiting for it. They've done LIDAR

02:28:06.250 --> 02:28:11.030
studies of that stuff. For me, just to have one

02:28:11.030 --> 02:28:15.870
wall, I personally need more than just that.

02:28:16.989 --> 02:28:18.969
And, I mean, I found some of the stuff like that

02:28:18.969 --> 02:28:21.309
in Peru, and I'm very hesitant to say this is

02:28:21.309 --> 02:28:25.069
megalithic architecture. It needs more study.

02:28:25.309 --> 02:28:27.049
For people that are interested, just to let you

02:28:27.049 --> 02:28:29.409
know, there's a lot of AI images online. And

02:28:29.409 --> 02:28:32.549
when you go to look for the sage wall, sometimes

02:28:32.549 --> 02:28:34.209
you're confronted with ones like, oh, my God,

02:28:34.270 --> 02:28:37.510
that for sure is man -made. But then it's not

02:28:37.510 --> 02:28:40.950
a real image. Someone's created an image or doctored

02:28:40.950 --> 02:28:42.770
the image to make it look a little bit more man

02:28:42.770 --> 02:28:45.819
-made. I will say, Mike Collins has done a ton

02:28:45.819 --> 02:28:48.219
of work on it, so if you want to see the original

02:28:48.219 --> 02:28:51.260
footage, it's on his channel. Very, very interesting

02:28:51.260 --> 02:28:54.100
footage. I mean, I go back and forth. Depending

02:28:54.100 --> 02:28:56.979
on how old it is. So that's the thing. If you're

02:28:56.979 --> 02:28:58.399
talking about something that's 30 ,000 years

02:28:58.399 --> 02:29:00.299
old, maybe that's all that's left. I forget.

02:29:00.479 --> 02:29:04.840
They found that it goes a lot deeper than something

02:29:04.840 --> 02:29:07.500
like that. Which makes it more interesting. Which

02:29:07.500 --> 02:29:12.639
makes it more interesting. Like, let's see. Keep

02:29:12.639 --> 02:29:13.979
figuring it out. There's one in Texas, too, that

02:29:13.979 --> 02:29:16.360
I haven't found a good answer for. Yeah, I've

02:29:16.360 --> 02:29:20.819
heard of that. 200 to 400 ,000 -year -old wall?

02:29:21.059 --> 02:29:23.959
I think a guy in 1925 claimed that and probably

02:29:23.959 --> 02:29:25.979
just got people to pay attention and come visit.

02:29:26.120 --> 02:29:28.979
But I don't have a good answer that I've come

02:29:28.979 --> 02:29:32.260
across on what it is or how old it is. Go to

02:29:32.260 --> 02:29:34.379
that one below, to the right of your cursor.

02:29:34.600 --> 02:29:36.399
Right here? To the right of it. Right there,

02:29:36.520 --> 02:29:40.430
yeah. Look at that. Huh. I will say, though—

02:29:40.430 --> 02:29:43.229
That could be natural formation. I mean, the

02:29:43.229 --> 02:29:47.389
Earth does a lot of weird things. That's not

02:29:47.389 --> 02:29:51.510
convincing to me. No, can I put it back up again

02:29:51.510 --> 02:29:54.379
now? But I'm aware of it. I'm just like, I'm

02:29:54.379 --> 02:29:56.219
looking at that extraterrestrial. Shut the fuck

02:29:56.219 --> 02:30:00.940
up. Extraterrestrials do a way better job. They

02:30:00.940 --> 02:30:02.360
might have built the pyramids. They didn't build

02:30:02.360 --> 02:30:04.819
this. Fuck out of here. It was shitty fucking

02:30:04.819 --> 02:30:08.579
scab labor. Cobblestones, yeah. Yeah, got non

02:30:08.579 --> 02:30:11.659
-union guys just came in. I'll do the job for

02:30:11.659 --> 02:30:15.920
cheap. They got their laser beams. Oh, wait a

02:30:15.920 --> 02:30:17.399
minute. That looks real. I think that's the guy

02:30:17.399 --> 02:30:19.020
I found when they found it. Oh, that looks like

02:30:19.020 --> 02:30:22.100
a wall. I've seen four versions of this picture

02:30:22.100 --> 02:30:25.520
and one's in color. It's so hard nowadays. You've

02:30:25.520 --> 02:30:27.780
got to put in some work to find the truth. Yeah.

02:30:28.020 --> 02:30:34.239
That is weird. But that doesn't look real. That

02:30:34.239 --> 02:30:37.620
looks like it's just the strata. But it's not

02:30:37.620 --> 02:30:39.120
consistent all the way through. What the fuck

02:30:39.120 --> 02:30:40.420
do I know? Again, I don't even know what we're

02:30:40.420 --> 02:30:43.100
looking at. Who knows? That's here in Texas,

02:30:43.159 --> 02:30:47.459
right? Yes. Yeah. Maybe we'll go one day. Pillars

02:30:47.459 --> 02:30:50.420
of the Past, YouTube, awesome. Thank you. Really

02:30:50.420 --> 02:30:52.120
appreciate you. It was a lot of fun today. I

02:30:52.120 --> 02:30:54.479
really enjoyed it. Appreciate it. All right.

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Bye, everybody.