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night. All day. Cheryl. Joe. So good to see you.
It's really good to see you. What's happening?
Everything. Are you good? You alright? Yeah,
I am. I'm good now. Yeah? Woo. Woo. It's been
a few years. I thought about you the moment Bobby
said he was going to run for president. You were
the first thing I thought of. Thank you. Because
I'm a huge fan of Curb Your Enthusiasm. Thank
you. I thought you were amazing on that show.
Thank you. It's such a good show. Thank you.
It's maybe one of the greatest comedy shows of
all time. Thank you. I was like, she's not built
for this. Turns out I'm not built for this. Nobody
is. Trump is the only person I've ever met that
somehow or another survives it and seems exactly
the same. But most people who are attacked like
that, it's just like. It is a natural human instinct
when you are rejected by your tribe to feel terrified
and filled with anxiety. But that's why people
do it. And that's what encourages groupthink
because you're terrified and you wind up agreeing
to things that are fucking insane. Yeah. Because
you don't even know what you're agreeing to.
You just don't want to be rejected by your tribe.
Yeah. And this is how they keep people involved
in these where ideologies eventually become cults.
Yes. And I think you can make a really good argument
of both the right and the left. that in a certain
section of each one of these political parties,
it's a cult. Yes, because they're, you know,
most of us are sort of in the center, right?
And then you have the 10 % on this side, the
10 % on this side that are so extreme and loud
and they keep everybody fired up and it is cult
-like. Right. Yeah, it's weird. It's weird to
watch intelligent people. get captured in it.
I was just watching this video with Bill Maher
and Bill Maher had Adam Carolla on and Bill Maher
was talking about how Jimmy Kimmel won't talk
to him anymore. Like they have this like spat
because of politics. Bill Maher is very much
a left wing person. He has been his whole life.
He has not changed his opinions. At all. Yeah.
But he's always been very reasonable and willing
to criticize the left as well as the right. Yes.
And I don't know if it was because he had dinner
with Trump and he met with him, which is just
crazy. You're not supposed to talk to people
that are the president of the United States.
It is crazy. I know. I was just talking to Bill
Maher and we were talking about this. Oh, yeah.
Because he was like, you said exactly what you
said. I sat down and had dinner with the president
and people went insane. Yeah. And so people listen.
I know that feeling because even when Bobby started
running for president, even when he started running
as a Democrat, people were angry. Well, Democrats
were angry. They're just mean. When it comes
to politics, people just get so mean. It's like
these are not the type of people you ever want
in any position of power. People are the least
charitable, most vicious people. The moment you
are running against them in a political party,
they will pull out all the stops, take things
out of context, lie about you. Yes. Even if you're
in their party. It doesn't matter. It doesn't
matter. 100%. That was challenging. Because,
you know, like Hollywood is competitive and it's
hard and you are, you know, you're hustling,
you're working really hard, but you're not trying
to tear other people down. Right. So politics,
as soon as you say, as soon as he said, I, well,
no, I'm sorry. Before that, people were coming
after him. They were always coming after him.
They were always coming after him. But it kicked
up a notch when he decided to run for president.
Oh, a big notch, I'm sure. Yeah. And it's just
weird, you know. And there was like a feeling
of doom for me. Bobby's tough. He's so friggin'
tough. Well, they've been coming after him for
like 20 years. Yeah. So he's just developed a
rhino skin. Yeah. And I, you know, and I was
I was like, oh, my God, I'm not going to make
it. You know, a good indication how they come
after themselves, each other rather, is during
the debate with Kamala and Biden. When Kamala
was accusing Biden of at the very least sexual
assault. Right. Like this sort of creepy. Yeah.
Yeah. It seemed like she was accusing him of
sexual assault. And then when they confronted
her on it, she's like, it was a debate. That's
literally what she said. That is the really strange
thing about politics that I'm still getting used
to is they will viciously attack each other.
And then a minute later in the hallway, it's
like, hey, how's it going? And I'm still in shock,
you know. I'm still angry about what just happened
in there. And they're already over it. And they're
already like, yeah, that's politics. That's what
we do. Did you ever see the debates with Mitt
Romney and Barack Obama? I'm sure I did. Jamie,
see if you can pull some of that up. God, why
can't we go back to that? Oh, was it like civilized?
Oh, completely. Yeah. For Mitt Romney, Mitt Romney's
like, he's Mormon, like super religious guy.
Never swears. Probably doesn't do anything. Right.
Yeah. So he's like super polite. Yes. And then
Barack Obama, because, you know, they're matching
each other's energy. He was very polite, too.
They disagreed on many things, but they were
talking about what they wanted to do. Right.
Not how this guy's a piece of shit and they've
been stealing and robbing and this and that.
Or, you know, how they look turned into that.
That's Trump. Which is crazy when you look like
that. You know what I'm saying? It's like the
guy makes fun of his own hair. Like he makes
fun of his comb over. He's like, but here it
is. Governor Romney and the University of Denver
for your hospitality. The only person in this
stage is a convicted feminist man. OK, this is
just a comparison between that was the Biden
ones with Trump were the worst because they're
trying to map Trump's energy, match Trump's energy.
Well, they didn't know how to debate him. Yeah,
that's what. I think he does well. If you want
to diffuse that. Yeah. Which you would say is
like this is not productive for anybody. Right.
Like if you want to have like a completely separate
conversation about who's a bigger piece of shit
and you want to do a podcast and you and me talk
about how I think you're a piece of shit. You
think I'm a piece of shit. That's one thing.
But you have X amount of time to say how you're
going to run the country. And what you think
is wrong with the policies. Yeah. What you think
is wrong with where we're spending money. Yeah.
What you think was all the above. Yes. Yeah,
that's what you're supposed to do. Yes. And the
idea that you can't win that way is crazy. It
is crazy. It's crazy. And it's really weird,
too, that a lot, some, not all, politicians really
work on, I got to get a catchphrase in there.
Well, Trump's really good at that. Like, he names
people, Crooked Hillary, Sleepy Joe. It works.
It works. It did work. I mean, because people
get so thrown off, they... They don't know how
to respond. Like you said, that's what they should
say. But they just get so thrown off that it's
just paralyzing. Well, at least in this day and
age, there's a method through social media for
you to respond. If something you think is inaccurate
or whatever, you respond. But there was a time
where there was nothing. yeah and whatever political
party was in power they controlled everything
they controlled all the news stories about you
they controlled everything there's a great story
With Hunter S. Thompson and Ed Muskie's running
for president. And Hunter S. Thompson makes this
crazy rumor about how he's addicted to Ibogaine.
And he has a Brazilian witch doctor comes in
and treats him. And this guy literally cracks
on the campaign trail because Hunter S. Thompson
said this, made up this crazy story about him.
And this guy, you see him having nervous breakdowns
on the campaign trail. Like his subsequent speeches
are all like nuts and he falls off. Yeah. But
he was like a front runner at one point in time.
Or at least he was very competitive and it just.
Yeah. They killed him. Well, it's the power of
words. Yes. Which, by the way, you know, when
Bobby decided to run, and I talk about this in
my book, Unscripted, when he came on your podcast
was a game changer, right? Because everything
that you're saying is true, and the press was
going hard. They still do. They're going they
were going hard at Bobby like he's this, he's
that. Here's what he thinks. Here's what he represents.
And then he came on your podcast and you guys
had a conversation. Yeah. And, you know, you're
curious and you're a great listener and you're
not judgmental. And people heard what Bobby had
to say. And it changed everything for him. Well,
I think it helped also that I knew who he was.
I read his book and I had also had negative opinions
of him before I actually read what he said. Interesting.
What were your opinions? Before the pandemic,
I was firmly on the side of science. I was much
more of a left wing leaning person. I just assumed
these people running universities, these academics,
whatever they said was accurate. Everybody else
was a fool and they believed in snake oil and
witchcraft. This is what I thought. And then
during the pandemic, I was like, OK, these experts
are clearly lying. I know they're lying because
they're literally lying about me. Right. Which
was crazy. So when you're in it and you know
who you are and you know how you're feeling and
what your body is doing and other people, news
outlets are saying, uh -uh, that's not true.
It's got to feel so weird. Well, it felt really
weird because they weren't addressing the fact
that I was healthy. That was crazy. So you're
talking about this massive pandemic and you've
got this guy in his 50s. You know, I'm supposed
to be a vulnerable person. And I'm in my 50s
and I got over it in a couple of days and I'm
telling everybody how I did it. And they're saying
that I'm some quack who's taking veterinary medicine.
Right. Which is just a was just a flat out lie.
But it was weird. Yeah. It was weird to watch.
It didn't like it didn't give me anxiety. It
made me laugh a lot. I laughed a lot. Yeah. Because
fortunately, during this entire time period,
I was doing stand up and hanging out with comedians.
We all thought it was so funny. Like, bro, CNN
is so full of shit. This is crazy. I never would
have believed it. Yeah. And you have this outlet
and you were able to talk about it. Right. And
tell people. So it's like. They thought they
were picking on me because they thought they
were the bully. But during the whole exchange,
they went, oh, my God, this thing's way bigger
than we thought it was. Yeah. So my show was
like 10 times more listeners and viewers than
their show, which is crazy. Because all I can
do is come on here and go, are you fucking out
of your – do I need to sue you people? You guys
are cracked. It is crazy. It's crazy. So, yeah.
So you saw things firsthand that you hadn't experienced
before. Yeah. And then when I read Bobby's book,
one of the things that I knew about Bobby before.
The Fauci book? Yes. The real Anthony Fauci,
which was just. I would read it. I would listen
to it on audio tape in the sauna. So I'm sitting
there cooking at 196 degrees. Well, you're already
kind of freaking out. You can only stay in there
so long before you die. You know, that's the
whole key of the sauna. You get it way before
you're going to die. That's when you get out.
But if you stayed in there for a few hours, you're
a dead man. And so I'm kind of freaking out already.
And I'm like, this is the nuttiest story of one
guy and his cohorts. who have been doing this
kind of shit, the same shit they were doing during
the pandemic, suppressing other medication, promoting
something that they had that they were going
to make a massive profit off of, gaslighting
people, lying about the data, lying about, this
is the thing they did during the AIDS crisis.
Yeah. And there are footnote after footnote,
reference after reference. Exactly. Saying this
is, here's this, here's that. I'm not making
this up. No lawsuits. No one's tried to sue him.
And this is one thing I keep bringing up. If
that was lies, people would have – they would
document how it's not true. They would show the
actual paperwork. They would show the actual
data. This is how it's not – no, it's all true,
which is – You go, well, how do I not know this?
And what kind of irresponsible journalism do
we have in this country where this has happened
and it takes this one guy to publish this book
before people start talking about it? I also
knew his work as an environmental attorney. I
think that's a very important thing for people
to realize. What he did was essentially help
clean up the East River. And if it wasn't for
him and his work, that would still be probably
a polluted shithole unless somebody else came
along and stopped these corporations. from polluting
the river and then force them to clean it up.
Right. That's gigantic. And by the way, when
people talk about Bobby and they want to paint
him as somebody who is trying to hurt people
or kill people or whatever that sounds like or
looks like, when you look at his career and who
he is and what he's accomplished, yeah, he spent
a lot of time suing. huge corporations because
they're polluting waterways because it's hurting
people, killing people, giving people cancer.
So why would he spend all of his life fighting
for people, fighting for individuals, you know,
and then suddenly change and want to really hurt?
A lot of people. It just doesn't track. It doesn't
make sense at all. Well, the whole thing came
about because of vaccines and his questioning
of the vaccine narrative, which is now way more
mainstream, because I, like many people, said
the scientists must be correct. Everybody else
is a kook. You got to get your vaccines, got
to do whatever you have to do. But I was also.
pretty aware of, I had a friend who had a child
that they vaccinated him. And when they vaccinated
him, he stopped responding and he never responded
again. He became nonverbal autistic for his whole
life. And he firmly believed it was because of
the child's reaction to the vaccines. That's
a taboo to bring up. When you bring that up,
people immediately back off. They get scared.
They get nervous. I firmly believe that when
you have this sort of a visceral reaction to
any sort of a subject like that without a rational
examining of what is objective truth, when you
have that visceral reaction, something's happened.
You've been co -opted. There's a thought in your
head that you can't question this or you'll be
ostracized. You'll be cast out of the crew, the
tribe. You're out. Yeah. And that's what everyone's
afraid of. That is what because that is what
happens as we as we've seen. But to that point,
you know, as mother, I it's so frustrating to
hear parents say this is my experiences. The
experience I had with my own child and with this
child every day after the vaccine, there was
a change. This is what this is my experience.
And for people to. Get mad at them for even,
like you're saying, talking about it. They're
not allowed to talk about the experience they
had or ask why it happened or, you know, let
people talk to each other to see if they have
shared experiences that can lead us to something
better. Right. It's crazy. It's crazy. And it
shouldn't be accepted. We shouldn't communicate
like that. It's not smart. It's we've been lied
to so many times. I mean, why would you just
assume that that stopped, that that has ended?
You know, if you just go back and think about
all the different things that both the government
and, of course, pharmaceutical drug companies
have lied about or at least been wrong about
the amount of drugs that they had to pull. It's
substantial. It's a giant chunk. Well, that's
the question. So we understand and accept that
there have been drugs out there. That everybody
thought were good, were helpful. And then 10
years later, 20 years later, the companies, scientists,
whomever, realize, oh, actually, they're doing
more harm than good. What about thalidomide?
Like what it did with birth defects in children?
It's crazy. They used to prescribe that to mothers.
Well, it's even like getting x -rayed. Yeah.
You used to have mothers, you know, that were
pregnant. X -rayed to see how the baby was doing
for a long time. It would be cool if it gave
the baby superpowers, but it never does. It only
happens in the science. Yeah, it never works
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images of what happened to the women that used
to work in those x -ray offices? So every day
they used to have to turn on the x -ray machine
and they would x -ray their hand to make sure
that it would work. And they all got like hand
cancer. Oh, it's horrible. It's weird because
they have one hand that looks normal and one
hand that looks like a wicked witch hand. Right.
See if you can find some of those. It's very
strict because we didn't know any better. Right,
because nobody was out to kill anybody, to murder,
to do harm, but it was doing harm. So let's take
a step back, readjust, and do something different.
Well, the extreme amount of money that pharmaceutical
drug companies have. put into making sure that
they're in control of the narrative, or at least
they're influencing the narrative. It's like,
this is this lady. Wow. Isn't that crazy? Isn't
that crazy? That's crazy. And that's just from
x -raying your hand. They would use it to calibrate
the machine every day. Oh, my God. They would
test their hand first. That lady cooked her hand.
Isn't that awful? Oh, it's so spooky. That's
really crazy. Yikes. You're not going to have
the answer to this, but what are the things that
we have to go through in the airport? Oh, the
TSA? That's radio. Yeah, that's like a radio
frequency, right? What is that? Let's pull that
up. I do not think that that's dangerous. But
look, there's a lot of people that think Wi -Fi
is dangerous. There's a lot of people that think
that 5G is dangerous. They think that EMF from
even electric cars is dangerous. There's people
telling you you shouldn't have earbuds in your
ears. You should only listen with a cord or a
speaker if you can. Right. Well, it makes sense.
You've got things going directly into your head,
to your brain. It's probably not the best thing
for you, but it's like how many people are wearing
AirPods and how little damage is it actually
doing? That's the question. It's like what is
the real issue? Most TSA body scanners use millimeter
wave radio waves, so not x -rays, and do not
add to your ionizing radiation exposure. So it's
not x -ray based, right? It's radio wave, but
is it? What is it? Is it dangerous? How does
the dose compare to a flight? What is that? X
-ray scanners? That's just scanners. Is there
any damage? I have blind faith that this is okay.
Follow -up. Millimeter wave scanner radiation.
Is it dangerous? Is there any dangerous aspects
of it? Health and radiation protection agencies
note that doses from older backscatter x -ray
scanners were extremely low. Whatever. Meanwhile,
they fucking don't go anywhere near it when they
turn it on. Exactly. When you go to the dentist's
office, they hide behind a brick wall. No, they
go into the other room and you're like, what?
They're in a fucking bunker. This thing is like
right next to my head. I know. And they make
you wear like a lead vest over your body. Yeah,
it's intense. Do they still do that? Yes. Yeah.
Yes. I haven't gotten one of those with the lead
vest in a while. No, and you're right. They go
into the other room, and they're like, don't
move. You're just sitting there with a thing
on your head. If there's any worries anyone should
have about these body scanners, let's see. I
mean, I don't want to—I'm not causing any— Outrage
here. I'm just curious. Yeah, it's curious. I
don't think the TSA ones are dangerous. Major
health agencies did not see any proven health
risk at the levels used, but people still raise
a few practical concerns. So millimeter wave
scanners use low power, non -ionizing radio waves.
Studies and reviews have not found harmful effects
at the power levels used in airport screening.
Sensitive groups, analysis that modeled risk
for children, pregnant people. What? Why does
it say pregnant people? Which kind of people
can get pregnant? Do you think, hey, AI, hey,
super genius, you think maybe it's women, you
fucking asshole? And frequent flyers still found
that low added risk from backscatter scanners,
far below routine medical x -rays, or even the
radiation from flying itself. Well, that is a
thing, too. Oh, right, radiation in the plane.
Flying, when you're flying. I mean, there's so
many things. Isn't it just like, we're all going
down. Put that into perplexity. Please. What
is, why is flying, why does that give you radiation?
Is it because you're closer to the sun? Like,
what is it? Less protection? Yes. Yeah? Is that
what it is? Yes. Is that all it is? Yeah, mostly.
You're up high? Yeah, there's not a lot of stuff
to diffuse it. Less air, right? Something I saw
someone bring up recently, too. having those
screens right behind your head because there's
one in there. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's got to be
bad for you. Well, Wi -Fi on the plane, it's
like just bouncing around. Yeah, Wi -Fi. Well,
they used to be able to smoke. Which is crazy.
The plane that I was on had the no smoking sign.
Well, I would feel super uncomfortable getting
on that plane. It's not a good feeling. That's
an old -ass plane. When you're like, okay, thank
you. How old is this fucking plane? They used
to have little ashtrays. Remember those? Yes.
In the seats? And that's really crazy. In a typical
commercial flight, you get a small dose of extra
cosmic radiation on the order of what you expect
from a medical x -ray spread out over several
hours. Whoa. So every time you fly, it's like
getting x -rayed? That's kind of crazy. What
happens to pilots? Yeah, that's a good question.
Do pilots have any health risks from radiation
exposure while flying? Yeah, that's a good question.
Because I would imagine if you're flying all
the time. They're the ones that would. It's like
getting an x -ray every day. That's, I mean,
everything is. Killing us, right? That's why
I came on. I wanted to hear what's going to kill
us first. There's so many things. This is going
to be like a meteorite that's going to hit us
first. But there's a lot of stuff keeping us
alive longer now, too. Pilots and other air crew
do get more radiation than typical travelers.
But whether that causes health problems is still
being studied. And any added risk appears modest
on a personal level. Like, they would be the
ones that you would be able to study from the
best, whether or not flying. And flight attendants,
whether or not flying is actually bad for you.
Well, we haven't heard anything yet. No. So that's
good news. You would imagine that you've been
flying a long time. Somebody would have said
something. Many studies find pilots and flight
attendants have higher rates of some cancers,
especially melanoma and other skin cancers, and
in some studies, breast cancer. However, reviews
say it's not clear how much of it is from cosmic
radiation versus other factors such as disrupted
sleep. That's true. Like UV exposure during off
time and lifestyle. Firm causal link to flight
radiation alone has not been established. That
does make sense with the disrupted sleep because
I talked to a pilot once who did like a lot of
late night flights. And it's like your whole
body is just so wrecked. Like people who do the
night shift. Yeah. That can't be good for you.
Your circadian rhythm is all fucked up. You're
sleeping during the day. But can't you adjust
though? Can't you adjust? If you can. But if
you're the guy who gets the night shift every
night. Yeah. You know, you're working at a factory
and you punch in at like 8 p .m. Like you're
not, that's just your life, man. That's how you
live. It's like shooting a film and you do like
three or four night shoots. Someone snaps. yeah
there's always one person that just like can't
handle it freaking crazy oh no chad just went
we just lost chad i don't know what happened
to him but he freaked out some people when they
can't sleep they become big babies yeah very
emotional yeah very emotional well there's a
thing there's an indulgence on sets too from
actors that's like There's kind of a lack of
appreciation sometimes because you just get accustomed
to it of how fortunate you are to be able to
do what you do. Very few people get to be an
actor in a movie and you're spazzing out because
you didn't get enough sleep. Yeah, and meanwhile
the crew really didn't get enough sleep. They
didn't get enough sleep either. They're working
two hours before you and two hours after. But
if they spaz out, they'll get fired. Yeah, immediately.
Yeah, and that's the difference. It's not an
equality thing. No. They're aware they're like
royalty walking around this film set. You know,
it's kind of odd. Well, it is odd. And at the
same time, it's a very unique experience, right?
Because this person has to be on camera. And
every inch of their face is, you know, going
to be six feet tall in a movie theater. And so
everybody's just making sure that person is.
doing okay and they look okay and they feel okay.
Because if they don't, then you don't have anything.
You don't have anything to shoot. So everybody
is just like, are you okay? Are you feeling okay?
Are you hydrated? Do you need water? Do you need
a piece of turkey? Well, the results of that,
like psychologically over a prolonged period
of time, people usually get really weird. Yeah,
agree. That's the... their normal experience.
Yeah. Is everybody's treating them like, I need
to get your hair. I need to get your lips. It's
true. Brush your shoulders off. It's true. It's
kooky. It's kooky. And that's why, you know,
the people that start early, especially that
have success early. Oh, yeah. It's not good.
It's not a good way to kick off your life. It's
like this is not normal. If you think this is
normal, you're going to be real sad in a few
years. And I don't think you can recover from
a bad developmental period that way. It's hard.
It's different. It's different than anything
else. Like you could have a bad childhood and
it'll make you more resilient. But a bad childhood
in front of the whole world. And you've never
had to really work and you've never had to really
struggle and you've been famous since you were
young. So your interactions with people from
the time you were young is people loving you
for your work, which is not good for kids. No,
it's not. And the way you look. Right. That's
a big part of it, which is hard. Yeah. It's not
just your work. You know, it's like what we're
talking about. You have to look good. Right.
While you're doing it. That's part of the job.
Especially as a woman. That's a big factor. But
I always liken it to like concrete. Like if you
make concrete incorrectly, so like if you decide
to mix it but you don't add enough water or you
don't – it's only you can add water later once
it's solid. It's like that's what it is. It's
going to be lumpy. It's just going to be sucky,
weak -ass concrete that's going to break. Wait.
When did you get – what was your first break?
Was it news radio? Yeah. Well, I was on another
show before news radio called Hardball. It was
a sitcom that was on Fox. That's what I actually
moved out to L .A. for. And if that show got
canceled and if I didn't have a lease on an apartment,
I would have went back to New York. I hated it.
Why did you hate it? Well, I didn't like the
whole scene. I was used to fight gyms, pool halls,
and comedy clubs. Those are the people I was
used to. They're the funniest, like most... brash
blunt people and everybody's cracking on everybody
and it's like it's jolly these those are jolly
places for the most part yeah and then i went
from there to this weird world of groupthink
and uh seeing people read the hollywood reporter
every day and get really upset yeah and i would
keep telling them like that's the devil's rag
like why are you reading that like don't read
that right because they're just mad that they
didn't get the role or they didn't get the The
film or whatever, it is odd, but yes. It's kooky,
and it's also the group thing. I saw it right
away. If a film was really good, if everybody
decided it was really good, you had to say it
was really good. You couldn't say, I fucking
hated that movie. There was this Jack Nicholson
movie where he played this asshole, and I think
it was Helen Hunt. As Good As It Gets? Yes, that
one. And I was like, Jesus Christ. The whole
idea was that he was a fucked up dude because
he was on some sort of a medication. That medication
made him racist. It didn't make any sense. The
whole thing was nuts. And I remember everybody
saying, what an amazing movie. I'm like, God,
I felt bad for her. Get the fuck out of that
relationship. Find someone who's nice to you.
This is crazy. Yeah. This is crazy. Racist. It
didn't make any sense. And I remember like arguing
with people on a set about it. And like they
were all like, oh, I thought it was an amazing
film. Like they had to say it. Right. It was
Jack Nicholson. Right. It was an amazing movie.
Right. That movie was fucking depressing, man.
Like that was all that poor lady had. Yeah. This
fucking asshole, this old asshole. It was like
the movie Precious. I didn't see that. Yeah.
I heard that was a rough one. It's just you're
just watching it and you're like, whoa. Nothing
else bad could happen. And then it's... Another
thing happens. No, it just gets worse. And by
the end of it, you're just feeling like, why
are we alive? I don't like those kind of movies.
I don't want to feel depressed in a movie. No.
Okay, so then you got... Then news radio. News
radio. So I stayed in L .A. just because I had
a lease. That was it. I'm not kidding. I was
so ready to go. You were not going to break that
lease. I was trying to say, I didn't have the
money. I was like, okay, I have some money because
I did the sitcom for six episodes. So I had some
money. So I was like, how much money would it
cost me to just fucking pay this lease off and
just jet? And I was like, I'll just stay here.
And then I got another development deal. I got
a development deal with NBC. And they had this
pot before I. Did a show. They said, we have
this show that we have a pilot for, but we're
going to fire this one person on the pilot. And
would you come in and read for us? Did you know
who was being fired? Yeah. Well, it was actually
a friend of mine. Did you know at the time? Well,
he got replaced. Because it's hard to replace
somebody. It's Ray Romano. Oh. Who's a good friend
of mine. He's a friend of mine. He's awesome.
And I had worked with Ray like multiple times
in New York. But Ray got fired and then they
replaced him with another guy who was in the
pilot. And then they decided to fire that guy.
So I was like, OK, well, at least I'm not taking
Ray's job. But then Ray went on to do Everybody
Loves Raymond. Yeah, he did OK. Him getting fired
was the best thing that ever happened to him.
So then I go in and they let me watch the pilot.
It was already made. And so I got to see, it's
Phil Hartman and Dave Foley and Candy Alexander
and Maura Tierney and Andy Dick and Steven Root.
I'm like, holy shit. Yeah. I can be on this show?
This show is amazing. So I did that. Then I did
Fear Factor. How long was News Radio? Five years.
Wow. Yeah. But it really wasn't popular. It was
only popular on reruns. Really? Yeah, once it
got into syndication. Because we moved around,
like, over the course of five years, we moved
nine times, I believe. When you were doing news
radio, that's right, I don't know what years.
It was 94 to 99. Okay. So I got Curb Your Enthusiasm
in 99. So before that, I was working for Robin
Michelle Reiner. as a personal assistant. And
I was also doing like catering at night sometimes
just to make ends meet. And one of my jobs when,
and I never knew what the job would be, you know,
they'd say show up here at whatever, five o 'clock.
One of my jobs one time was news radio. There
was a little green room where, you know, agents
and people, VIP. And I was in charge of Oh, like
making sure the food on the table looked good.
That's hilarious. I just stood there for hours.
I think Phil Hartman came in and was like, hey,
I didn't know him at the time I met him. And
he said, oh, you know, who are you here to see?
I said, oh, I'm just in charge of this table.
But that was my big job for the night. My friend
Joey Diaz, who is—at that time, he had just recently
gotten out of jail. He came to visit me on the
set, and he realized that the good food was all
in the VIP green room. Yeah, that's right. And
he's like— He got overweight for a while, but
back then he wasn't. Back then he just looked
like a big football player. He was like a big,
scary -looking Cuban guy. And he was in there
eating a shrimp cocktail. And they were like,
who is the scary guy that's eating? And is he
supposed to be in here? They all, like, freaked
out because Joey went into, like, the super secret
room. And I was wondering. I wonder if he went
in there when you were in there. Oh, could you
imagine? If I was like, excuse me, sir, you can
only have six shrimp. I have to watch the table.
Well, he wasn't supposed to be in there. He was
just my friend hanging out. He just went in there.
He's like, this is where the good food is. And
he went in there and started chowing down. They
were all freaking out. It was very funny. It
was very funny. But did you like L .A. any better
when you were doing news radio? I always wanted
to leave. I always felt like it was radioactive.
I always felt like there's a part of this. Look,
the weather's great. It's beautiful. The Comedy
Store was amazing. It was great to have that
place, but there's too many people. When there's
that many people, I think you devalue people.
I don't think people are worthwhile to you. I
think people are way better off living in a small
town or a small city. I think it's healthier.
It's more community. Yeah, I just think when
people become a... When you get on the highway
and you see millions of people, like, fuck. And
you see, like, the 405 at, like, 4 p .m. It's
kooky. And it's, like, 10 lanes. Mm -hmm. Just
bumper to bumper in both directions. And everybody
thinks that everybody else is annoying because
you're in your way. Oh, you mean on the road.
Yeah. People that get in front of you. Like you're
not going anywhere and someone decides to get
in front of you. Like who's this fucking guy?
It's true. Everybody gets crazy. It is true.
Not healthy. No. I felt like that wasn't healthy
and I really hated the whole. mentality behind
the groupthink that was a part of Hollywood.
Because everybody's trying to get cast in something.
And in order to get cast in something, you have
to be, you have to ingratiate yourself with the
producers and the casting directors. Everybody
has to like you. So you have to have the same
opinions as they do. And if you don't, you have
to fake it. And I was like, this is gross. This
is gross. The way they behave is gross. The casting
people would treat you as gross. I didn't like
it at all. What, you mean just going in and auditioning?
No, it was hard. Well, there was a lot of it.
there was like this arrogance, this like this,
like they're giving you this chance. So they're
like really arrogant. I was like, Hey, I don't
even care about this. Like that's why you got
the part. That's why I got a fear factor because
I was the only one who made fun of it. And did
you, you never had to do, you never had to like.
Eat the spiders. I ate a bunch of stuff. I ate
some spiders. Yeah, I ate an Iraqi cave spider.
I ate a Madagascar hissing cockroach. I ate a
tomato hornworm. I ate a sheep's eyeball. I ate
a bunch of stuff because I ate it just to show
the people that you could eat it. Ew. Did you
ever throw up after? No. I only threw up once
at home. You, like, waited until you got home?
Those were really good editing. They did a great
job. And there was this girl that was... Oh,
my God. You sound like Bobby. Bobby has never
thrown up. It's just that he doesn't. So he will
eat anything and do anything. Well, I've definitely
thrown up. But this time it was this lady was
eating worms and she had to swallow the worms
and she couldn't. So she spit them up into the
glass and then she could keep going if she could
re -drink what was in the glass that she already
spit up. And so she did it. I went, I ran into
the kitchen and threw up in the sink. And I was
like, how? And I kept thinking, how odd. Like,
what a great job they did with like the editing
and the music that it got me so wrapped up in
it. Even though I was at home, I was like five
feet away from that lady while she was doing
that. I didn't throw up. And it didn't bother
you? It bothered me, but I was trying to help
her. I was trying to get her, talk her through
it. That's why you were so good on it, because
you were never making fun of people. I definitely
made fun of people. Well, but not in a... You're
so... It's crazy to be on this show, and why
are you crying? You're the one that wanted to
come on. You were very empathetic. I wanted to
help them. Yeah, yeah. I wanted to help them
at the very least do their best. And there was
a lot of it that I said, look, I know this sounds
crazy, but if you just force yourself to chew
this and swallow it, you could do it. You've
got to just take your mind out of this place.
It's not that bad. And sometimes I would eat
things just to show them. Ew. Like I ate a roach
just to show them. I'll eat this if you do. No.
I'm going to eat this roach. It's not that big
a deal. Ew. Did you chew it? Yeah, you have to.
You can't swallow it. It'll be alive in your
stomach. Do you remember what it tasted like?
Not much. Ew. Yeah, I know. But it's in your
head. Was it crunchy? Sure. Real crunchy. But
the actual taste itself was not bad. I mean,
it wasn't good. It wasn't like I look forward
to roaches. And what about rats? Did you do a
lot of rat work? We did work with rats where
people had to like lie in a thing in a coffin.
Yeah. Covered them with rats and the rats would
be nibble on them. Uh -uh. Yeah, that's not good.
But they were pet rats. I mean, they were fed
a healthy diet. Pet rats? They were. They were
like raised rats. They weren't like dangerous
street rats that have been eating each other.
Did anything, I mean, you probably can't talk
about it, but did anything ever go? Horribly
wrong? No. Really? No. We got lucky, though.
It's just luck. I really believe that. Because
we made them ride bulls once. Yeah, and you can't
control a bull. I told the people, don't do it.
When all the contestants, I said, I wouldn't
do this. I'll tell you right now. I don't think
you should do it because it's not worth it. The
kind of catastrophic injury that you get from
a bull stomping on your face, you don't come
back from that. You have to understand, there's
not a 0 % possibility that this bull will stomp
you or kick you while you're in the air being
launched off its body and get kicked in the face.
That's possible. Don't do it. I wouldn't do it.
Some people would back out, right? They all did
it. They all did it. They all did it. I think.
I'm pretty sure. And then they got thrown from
the bull. They flew. This one lady weighed like
98 pounds, and she got... She got bucked and
she went flying and landed right on her back
and was like knocked out. Yeah, it was horrible.
I would have never done that. I mean, and look,
I've had bull riders on the podcast before. I've
talked to multiple. We had bull riders on Fear
Factor. Doesn't it? You might know. Is that you?
Yeah. Did you see it? What a cute ringtone. Hey,
put him on speakerphone. Seriously? Yeah, why
not? Honey, you're on speaker. I'm here with
Joe. We're on the podcast. You're on the podcast,
so don't swear. Hello? Can you hear me, honey?
We're talking to Joe right now. You're live.
Well, thanks, baby. Hey, Joe, I'm looking forward
to seeing you in a couple of weeks. Yeah, I'm
looking forward to seeing you, too. You probably
shouldn't have told people that because then
they'll start attacking you. Is there anything
you need to tell me? I was just going to ask
Joe to be nice to my wife. Why didn't you call
me? I'm in tears over here, honey. It's really,
it's going horribly. All right, well, bring me
back some of that alpha. Alpha brain. Yeah, will
do. Okay, baby. I love you. Take care. I love
you. Bye. Bye, Bobby. Love you, too. That's hilarious.
What were you showing me? That Mexican OD did
bull stuff. No, Mexican OD did it? No. He got
fucked up. No. He got up and ran away. No. Oh,
my God. This is a guest that was on my podcast.
He's awesome. He's a brilliant rapper. Oh, my
goodness, dude. Oh, my goodness, dude. That's
so terrible. Oh, my goodness, dude. Don't do
that no more. I mean, can I ask a question to
the men? I mean, do you wear special equipment
down there? Yes. You do? I assume they do. They
might not while they're doing that because I
saw one guy get a horn right up his butt. Yeah,
but there's no special equipment that's going
to protect you there. But what about your testicles?
Yeah, you should wear a cup for sure. You should
wear something. Yeah, yeah. Because that doesn't
seem like that's healthy. Nope, definitely not
healthy. I don't think there's anything healthy
about it, right? No, definitely not healthy.
I mean, it's just like a lot of pressure on your
balls. For sure. Yeah. Have you ever done it?
What? Bull riding? Yeah. No. No, I told you I
would never do that. I thought you were just
telling the other people not to do it. No, no,
no, no, no, no. I have a healthy respect for
animals. Yeah. Especially big ones. I think people
get super delusional. We also get super delusional
when we compare size. Like if you say, oh, a
monkey smaller than me, that thing will fucking
kill you. I know. Don't get crazy. It'll pick
your eyes out, right? Oh, they'll rip your face
apart. Yeah. There's a crazy video of this guy
in India who's sitting down and he lets this
monkey like sit on his lap and he's like being
all calm with the monkey. And then the monkey
just decides to tear a giant chunk off his scalp.
And the way it does it, it just bites his head
and just yanks like a football -sized piece of
meat off this guy's head. And there's no stopping
it. There's no stopping it when it starts happening.
You don't know how strong they are. Imagine being
so strong you could just rip someone's skin clean
off their head. And it's like a little thing,
a little 30 -pound monkey. It looks adorable.
Yeah, and he thought he was being cute. It's
like, I'm going to be peaceful. I won't play
it. Oh, yeah, no, I can't watch it. You want
to watch it? No, I don't. You can watch it. Yeah,
I'll look away. So he lets this thing sit on
his lap, and then it just decides to bite his
head. Look at it real quick. Oh, my gosh. He's
missing a giant chunk off his head. Oh, my God.
Yeah, so he's scarred for life. You know, it
was a dumb decision. You let that thing dominate
you. He didn't understand what he was doing.
No. You let that thing get on top of him, and
the thing just decided for no reason to just
bite his head. Now, we used to have a pet emu.
Ooh, they're the dumbest birds, by the way. They
are so dumb. Their heads are tiny, so their brain
must be, and the rest of them is big. So you
just had this emu, like, coming at you every
day. Wow. It wasn't relaxing. I got to the point
where I had to walk outside with a shovel. Just
to protect yourself from the evil? That's crazy.
I have a friend who has ostriches. Are they nicer?
I wonder if they're nicer. He says the same thing.
He hates them. He has this big ranch in Texas
and he got ostriches. He's like, dude, I hate
these things. Look at that face. No, it's terrible.
They're mean and, you know. They tried to bite
us on Fear Factor, too. We had an episode where
they had to drink a whole ostrich egg. Ew. A
raw ostrich egg. Ew. But we had ostriches in
the background. They started just fucking with
people, like biting their heads. Yeah. They'll
peck you. Yeah, they'll peck you. They don't
care. Yeah. You know what else is dumb? This
lady was a falconeer. That's what they're called,
right? Falconer. Falconer? When they train falcons?
Yeah, that's Bobby. Oh, he does that? Who wrote
the book? Yes. Oh. So this lady, she had a golden
eagle. She had a couple of the falcons are the
most fascinating. But then she had an owl and
she's like, owl is there. First of all, one misconception
is that owls are smart. She goes, they are so
dumb. They're the dumbest birds next to emos.
Only emos are dumber than owls. I didn't know
that. I was like, really? That's cool. Why? Like,
why do we have this? You know. Idea that they're.
Give a hoot. Don't pollute. Remember? That they're
very wise. Yeah. Why do we think they're wise?
I mean, he's counting how many licks it takes
to get to the center of a tootsie roll pop. Remember?
Yes. But he could never get to it. So maybe we
should have learned. Yeah. This guy's full of
shit. Yeah. He's full of shit. He's a fake professor.
We've had some owls in our day with Bobby. Oh,
pets? Yeah. I mean, yeah. Is this Bobby? No.
No. This is someone. I saw this going around
the internet. What is this? Is that his falcon?
You can't see where it is. Whoa. That looks like
an eagle. He sees it from way up there. Is that
an eagle or a hawk? What is that? Does it say?
It doesn't say. I don't know if it said specifically.
Again, is it another Facebook link? They had
a golden eagle. The golden eagle is amazing.
But it kept trying to land. We had a little campfire
outside. It kept trying to land on the fire.
That's weird. Why is this bird so stupid? It
looks like a hawk. Yeah, it looks like a hawk.
Yeah. So this lady had... She had hawks and falcons,
and she's like, the problem with hawks is as
soon as you let them loose, they immediately
find something to kill. She's like, everything
that's near them, they kill. She goes like, this
sucker kills birds. He kills squirrels. You let
the owl go, the owl just goes over there. He'll
come back to you. The eagle, the same thing.
Not the hawks. The hawks are like, it's time
to kill. No, that's what they do. It's weird.
Like I said, Bobby. loves hawks and falcons and
he will i went hawking with him once how do you
do that um well you you have these they do it
in twos like these two birds and are they his
birds yes so he's trained these birds He's trained
them and the other. That's kind of a crazy thing
to be good at. It's a very crazy. But look, even
since he was young. But so it's pretty fascinating
because you have to do it when after the leaves
have fallen from the trees and there are two
birds that hunt together and they go up into
the trees and then it's really beautiful at first.
For me. Until the carnage. So they start going
from tree to tree and they're communicating with
each other. And they'll see a bunny. Cute, sweet.
You see where this is going. And they see a bunny
down there and they go and they go and one of
them does something and then the other one swoops
down and grabs it and they just... tear it apart
the next thing you know it's just you know bunny
guts yeah yeah so it's cute until then but it's
pretty fascinating to watch them do it there
was some kind of a war in my backyard that was
going on for a while and i don't know what animal
was doing it but i found a bunch of beheaded
hawks wow yeah i don't know what bird was killing
the hawks but they'll kill the hawk and and rip
its head off. Ask Bobby. He will know. Oh, I
bet. He will know. I assume it was something
bigger. But yeah, they're big already. It's hard
to imagine what... Owls eat hawks. I'm really...
But are they fast enough to get an owl as fast?
Owls are silent. And the thing about owls is
there's a really interesting video that you could
find where they take a bunch of different birds
and they have them fly from point A to point
B and then they have a sound... And the sound
registers the decibels of their flight. What
they mean. Owls, it's almost completely silent.
They're so silent. They're so sneaky. So this
is a great black and white video of this owl
in its night vision, the camera. And you see
this owl swooping up on a hawk's nest and snatches
a hawk right out of the nest. Oh, my God. I wonder.
But it comes out of nowhere. That's weird. You
just see eyes in the distance. Yeah, it's really
weird. I don't think I've ever seen an owl in
flight, but not that I was looking. In real life,
you mean? Yeah. Oh, I did. Is it only at night?
Yes. I've only seen him fly at night. But where
I live, one time I was driving home and there
was this owl that was right on the side of the
road. And as I was driving, he took off with
a rabbit in his talons and then just decided
he didn't want to carry this rabbit anymore and
let it go. Like maybe it was dangerous because
the rabbit was kind of big. And then the rabbit
dropped in the middle of the road. So I pulled
the car over and I got out and I look at this
like gutted rabbit and this owl who had just
jacked this rabbit. Just decided. That's so weird
that he, I'm assuming it was an aggressive male
owl. Might have been a female protecting its
young or giving its young food. A lot of them
is that. I mean, I wonder if the rabbit was diseased
or something. No, it was food. No. But that's.
The rabbits can't even hear it coming. That's
the thing about owls. That's why they're such
brilliant nocturnal hunters. See if you can find
that video of the birds, the different sounds.
There's a hawk, there's an eagle, and then the
owl. It's like nothing. It just swoops in and
snatches them. They eat a lot of cats, too, by
the way. I didn't know that. Yeah, a friend of
mine found, there was an owl nest, and he found
like six cat collars in the nest. Oh, I always
just assumed it was coyotes. It is a lot of coyotes,
but it's also owls. Owls kill a lot of people's
cats. That is crazy. And they can fly with your
cat. That's what's crazy. So watch. To fly over
a series of super sensitive microphones. So that's
a pigeon. Super loud. Oh, jeez. Mo. There's a
hawk. Pretty loud. Now watch the owl. It's Ken's
turn. Nothing. You don't hear anything. You don't
even hear the wings. And those are super sensitive
microphones. Wow. Now see if you can find the
video of the owl snatching the hawk out of the
nest. So crazy. I didn't know this. Yeah, owls
are super predators. Yeah. They see so well at
night, and they have those big heads. Yeah, then
their heads can turn. Crazy eyes. Yeah, watch
this. So see those dots in the distance? That's
them. Watch this. Snatch. The other hawk barely
knows what the hell happened. Oh, my God. Snatch.
Yep. Just steals them right out of the nest.
Owls are big, too. They seem to be. Work alone.
They seem a little like lonesome. Yeah. Well,
I mean, you can't fly a flock of owls. But like
the hawks, when they hunt, they hunt together,
you know, and they're communicating with each
other. They make so much noise. That's true.
They got a clumsy approach with the owl sneaky.
And how about the pigeons? They do not have a
chance. So loud. What do they eat? That's a good
question. That's a good question. Does birds
eat? I know what eats pigeons, though. What?
Rats in New York City. That is a crazy video
of a rat in New York City grabbing a pigeon and
attacking it and eating it. No. And dragging
it away. You've never seen that? I like that
you think that's what I'm looking at online.
What are you looking at online? Passion tips?
It's not that. If you want to live in a big city,
that's the nature that you get. You get rats
and pigeons. There are a lot of rats in D .C.
Rats kill pigeons all the time. Rats kill pigeons.
Yeah, if they catch them slipping, they're close
enough where they can grab them. It's disgusting.
Oh, rats are disgusting. Yeah. Have you ever
watched that documentary on Netflix called Rats?
No. Whoa. I would never. You should. No, God,
no. It's a game changer. No. It's so nutty when
you find out that the biomass of rats in New
York City is roughly equal to the biomass of
people. Ew. Meaning the weight of all the people
in New York City is roughly equal to the weight
of all the rats in New York City. That's gross.
But you lived in New York. Is that accurate?
I think that's accurate. It might be the numbers.
It might be the same number of people as there
are rats. But you didn't have a problem when
you lived there? I didn't live there. I lived
in New Rochelle, which was a suburb. That's nice.
Westchester. Kind of quiet. I was a road comedian
and I needed a parking spot. I couldn't. I couldn't
afford to park in New York City. It was like,
it's too hard. Yeah, yeah. It was like, you know,
whatever it was for a parking spot, it was like
half my rent. I was like, I can't afford that.
Yeah. Also, I don't like it. I don't like being
stacked on top of people like that. All my friends
who live there, they're like, yeah, I don't even
know my neighbors. I'm like, there's a guy right
across six feet away from you. You don't even
fucking know him? That's kind of crazy. No. There
are always people upstairs, like. Banging around.
Yeah. Moving furniture. Eh. Not your vibe. So
here it is. For the big picture comparison, 8
.3 million humans at 70 kilograms each are about
580 ,000 metric tons of human. So rats at roughly
0 .102 % of human biomass in New York City, even
though they're extremely visible. Oh, so it's
only like less than a percent? Wait a minute.
Well, they're tiny. I mean, compared to. So the
number of rats, is the number of rats the same?
Is that what I'm getting wrong? An estimated
about 3 million rats in New York City, but there's
like 10 million people. That's disgusting. 3
million rats? I don't think they really know.
Yeah, how could they know? I think they're probably
underestimating it because underneath the city
is where all the rats live. There's no way they're
doing an accurate count of all the rats. I feel
like. L .A.? Oh, I know what I screwed up on.
This is what I screwed up on. It's actually ants
with the biomass of ants on Earth. I think that's
true. I think the biomass of ants on Earth is
roughly equal to the biomass of people. The things
that are going on inside your head are insane.
That is a kooky number, though. It is a kooky
number. We might find out that's wrong, too.
I think it's right, though. Is that what it is?
But I feel like L .A. are aggressive and huge.
Oh, okay. That's not true either. Is that right?
What is that? Get rid of that little source thing.
I can't. It's not showing. It's unblocking. Oh,
there it goes. Quadrillion. 20 quadrillion? I've
never seen that word. Me either. 20 quadrillion
individuals worldwide. That's the number of ants.
Wow. I mean. So it's 20 % of human dry biomass.
What does that mean? After you peed? And more
than all the wild birds and mammals combined.
That's crazy. There's more weight from ants than
all the mammals and birds combined. Wow. That's
crazy. That is crazy. That is crazy. I have them
in my backyard and they're leaf cutter ants.
No, they're cool. They're cute. They carry all
those little tiny. It's weird. It's like, how
do you guys know? How do you know to do this?
And they work together. They work together. Yeah.
Well, they have these. Have you ever seen what
the leafcutter ant colonies look like under the
surface? No. So they take them and they, unfortunately,
they do a genocide on the leafcutter ants for
science. And they fill up their entire colony
with cement. And so they show what the structure.
You mean when they were studying? Yes. Okay.
Well, this is how they find out. You have to
kill everybody and turn them into concrete. And
so this enormous leafcutter ant colony that's
underground, then they dig it up, and only the
cement is left. And it's bananas. It's so vast.
Like little tunnels? They have fermentation tubes.
So they have an area where they put leaves in
to ferment, and then they have a tunnel that
goes up to the surface so it can get air. That's
crazy. So this is it. They fill up. This is the
leafcutter ant colony. Look at the ones on the
outside going, hey, what the fuck? What the fuck?
My cousin's in there. They are freaking out.
Yeah, they're freaking out. And so then they
have to excavate and they dig out this area.
And it is absolutely massive. Oh, so that's the
concrete. Exactly. So the concrete that's left
is what the colony actually looks like underground.
It's enormous. It's like the size of a house.
Like, look at that. It's so impressive. What
do you have to do with these stupid fucking ads
that you can't even get rid of that cover a quarter
of your screen? But look, pause that real quick.
Look at that. That is crazy. Bananas. Absolutely
bananas. That a tiny little ant. And all of his
friends can make something like that. I like
that they're all friends. I think that there
are some that are like, I hate that asshole.
Yeah, probably. He's so lazy. He's a lazy bitch.
We're all working our asses off and he's just
over there like taking it easy. Well, there's
some ants where the female will find the male
and they cut his legs off, his arms and legs
off, and then carry him to the colony so that
he could breed. Find that. Which ant is that?
Yeah, they find him and they cut his arms and
legs off so he can't go anywhere. And he just
does one thing. Wow. You think he thinks it's
an honor? I don't think he thinks. Right? How
can he? I don't know. I think they're almost
like little robots, little biological robots.
It seems like they are working together and coming
up with plans and, you know, landscapes. But
the thing is, this is a universal thing. This
is what's really weird. Like here we are in Texas,
but there's probably leafcutter ants right now
in Florida. There's probably leafcutter ants
right now all over the world. And they're all
doing a similar thing underground. But leafcutter,
so they're completely different than, say, red
ants? Yeah, I mean, there's a bunch of different
kind of ants, but the thing that differentiates
leafcutter ants is that they go to trees, they
chop off their leaves, they take these little
pieces of it, and then they carry it back into
their leafcutter ant colony. And then they have
all these places where they store the leaves,
and the leaves ferment, and they kind of rot,
and then they have air pipes that go up to the
surface. It's super, super complex. And it just
makes you think, like, how do they know to make
this chamber? and then a passageway to the chamber.
And how do they all know? All over the world.
It's very weird. It's a very weird thing that
they do. But I have them in my yard, and I just
sit there and watch them. I can only find stuff
about them amputating the limbs for saving their
lives, not breeding. It was a specific kind of
ant. I typed it in four different times. All
I could get was that queen ants will amputate
their wings afterwards, but I didn't see anything
about... cutting off a male's limbs and dragging
them for breeding. It says they all do it to
address wounds. I wish I could remember what
it was. It was a specific kind of ant. I'm going
to go to town on that. It's just a ruthless world
of insects. We're lucky they're little. Because
they're smart. Well, you don't think they think.
You think they've got some sort of... I think
they have activity, but I think they're operating
on a program. They don't have feelings. I don't
think they have any feelings. No, I definitely
don't think they have feelings. I mean, if a
praying mantis was the size of a German shepherd,
we'd have a real problem. Because they're vicious.
100%. You wouldn't be able to get away from them.
Do you think they have feelings? I don't think
so. I think they're the scariest life form. Why?
Because they're so strong for their size. They're
way, way – like you can't even – like I've seen
praying mantis snatch hummingbirds off of a bird
feeder and kill them. Are you serious? Oh, yeah,
yeah, yeah. They wait on a bird feeder. They
sit there like this and they just wait. They
don't move. They don't move. And the hummingbird
doesn't recognize them. The hummingbird comes
over, eats out of the bird feeder and just snatches
them. And the bird's way bigger than the – And
the mantis can hold on to the hummingbird. Where
did they take it? Just kill it. Kill it and eat
it right there. Really? Sure. But aren't they
small? Exactly. That's why we're lucky that they're
really small. Because if they were the size of
like a dog, they would 100 % be able to kill
you. Just like that monkey is like super strong.
Well, if a mantis was the size of that monkey,
the monkey would have no chance. That mantis
would just snatch it and just start eating it.
That's a good point because a monkey must look
at a man and think that guy is bigger than me,
but I don't care. I'm going for it. Yeah. Well,
I don't think they have any respect for people.
I think their interactions with people are that
people are soft and that they're scared of them.
And so that's how they... What's the monkey going
to do with the scalp? You know what I mean? See,
look at that mantis. See him sitting there? Yeah.
The hummingbird doesn't know what's going on.
He's just motionless. And so as the hummingbird
gets close, tries to get a little water. Oh,
no. And watch how it snatches it, too. It's so
fast. Watch it right there. Bang. Gotcha. Look
at the size of the bird. I mean, the body mass
of the bird has got to be a lot more than the
mantis. And the mantis is just holding on to
it definitively. Like it has no chance. Oh, the
guy knocked it loose. What a bitch. That is so
crazy. Really crazy. It just gets it. So there's
other ones where you see the mantis like hanging
on and eating it. They're incredible little creatures.
Is that what they mostly eat? It's hummingbirds?
No, they eat all kinds of stuff. But this one
is just sitting there eating a hummingbird. Ew.
The other weird thing is the amount that they
can eat. Yeah, that's why. It looks like a tiny
twig. Exactly. How can it eat a hummingbird?
There's a video. Well, there's one Instagram
page that I follow that's just mantises eating
a bunch of different bugs. Really? That's what
you follow? Yeah. I follow a lot of stuff. Is
it relaxing or is it just fascinating? It's just
like gets your mind off of politics. Just weird.
Weird to watch this creature and it eats a roach
that's like bigger than it. And it eats the whole
thing. Like this guy just gets this roach. Look
at the size of that roach. He's just going to
chew through that entire roach. And that sucker's
still alive for the beginning. He just eats his
head. And then he stops being alive. And then
he just goes right through them. Like, look at
this. This is nuts. And then do you think it
doesn't eat again for a long time, like a snake?
Probably. It probably doesn't have to eat. Ew.
That's so gross. I know. It just eats its legs.
And it keeps going. And it eats the entire thing.
Like, there's nothing left of that roach. And
that roach is as big as him. Like, where'd it
go? How are you doing that? I don't know. You
ever see a fat praying mantis? No. They don't
exist. I hardly see them. But I haven't been
looking. Look, there's the page. Yeah, you have
a highlights reel on it. You have a highlights
reel. Joe. That's hilarious. It's called Cryptic
Mantids. Is that what the name of it is? What
is it? Yeah, yeah. Cryptic with a K, Mantis.
And their eyeballs are crazy. Yeah, it's a weird
animal. I mean, if that insect was big, it would
be a real problem. So look, he's like dangling
that roach in front of it and just snatches it.
Ew. I mean, that's like you eating a poodle.
It's crazy. It just eats the whole thing in one
sitting. Just the whole thing. The whole poodle.
The little paws. The nose, the head, eyeballs,
the tail, everything. It just eats everything.
Ew. Yeah, but that exists in nature. We're playing
a totally different game. Our game is we're soft.
Yeah. Yeah, look at that thing. Yeah. A Peruvian
dragon mantis. Yeah, imagine that was like big.
Imagine that thing was like the size of a giraffe.
It would be a giant problem. It just runs into
a city and eats everybody. Sounds like a movie.
Does. Wow. That's how actresses think. That sounds
like a great movie. I could be the scientist.
The man just gets stuck in a tube with a guy's
head. Yeah. Something like that. Like The Fly.
Remember that Jeff Goldblum movie? Yeah, of course.
That movie was great. Of course. And that was
a remake of an earlier one. There was an earlier
The Fly movie, which was a lot weirder. Really?
Well, it was weird for the time because the guy
had like a weird costume on, like a fly head
on, but like a person's body. But the fly was
cool because you see Jeff Goldblum, like that's
the original fly. Oh. So like a one human hand,
one fly hand. But the Goldblum one was great.
No, I love that Goldblum. So this guy just had
like a mask on. He's like a regular dude with
a mask. I'm the fly. But I got a hand. But the
Goldblum one was cool because you see him start
to slowly turn mad. Yes, and his mannerisms.
A spike start poking out of his skin. What is
this? He didn't realize that a fly had gotten
in there with him and they matched DNA. Jeff
Goldblum's great. Oh, he's great. He's very intense
and at the same time very... Likeable. Yeah,
fun, jolly. Tell me about you. Yeah. Tell me
what makes Cheryl work. Well, him and Jurassic
Park really helped make that movie. Like the
rational scientist that was like, okay, what
have you done? You know? Because you could do
it. You never decided whether you should do it.
Yeah. Yeah, he's always thinking. Not judging,
not freaking out. Well, definitely sort of judging.
But it was just that, like, yeah, there should
be a fucking scientist that says, what are you
doing? What are you doing? Are you sure you should
be doing this? Yeah, these don't belong here.
These are from a time where we weren't around.
You shouldn't bring them here. We can't compete
with them. If it wasn't for that big rock that
hit the Yucatan, we probably would have never
become people because they would have been around.
I never saw Jurassic Park. What? Mm -mm. What?
How? How'd you avoid that movie? It's one of
the greatest movies of all time. I know. It didn't
sound good to me. Like dinosaurs? It's so good.
It's such a good movie. It's such a good movie,
too, because it was like one of the first movies
that used CGI, but they did it really well. Yeah.
And the thing about CGI with dinosaurs is it's
so different than CGI with, like, do you remember
I Am Legend? Mm -mm. The Will Smith movie? Never
saw that one? No. Is it science fiction? Yes.
I don't watch science fiction. Not usually. It's
a zombie movie, essentially. Yeah. Like a disease
sweeps over the... But in that movie, there's
CGI lions in New York City, and they look so
vague. They look bad. Oh, really? Yeah, because
you know why? And what was that? That was like
2010? Was it even? I feel like it was earlier
than that. When was I Am Legend? 2007. 2007?
Okay, but go ahead. You were going to say why.
Because you know what a lion looks like. You
don't really know what a dinosaur looks like.
So your brain doesn't register that, oh, that
looks fake. Right, right. Yeah, so when you see
the T -Rex when he comes over the fence, and
also the way they shot it, like Spielberg is
a genius. The way they shot it at night, and
it's kind of like, you know, in the jungle, so
it's like partially obscured. You ever seen the
scene where the T -Rex emerges for the first
time when the kids are in the car? Oh, you need
to see this. I have so many things to look up
tonight. I have so many rabbit holes to go down.
How have you not seen this movie? I don't know.
The original Jurassic Park is one of my favorite
movies ever. Okay. I guess I'm going to have
to watch it. I loved it because for me, it's
a real potential possibility. I'm friends with
the guys over at Colossal. Those are the guys
that brought back the dire wolf. Like they have
actual dire wolves now. What is a dire wolf?
A dire wolf is an extinct breed of wolf. And
I know there's geneticists out there that are
freaking out. That's not a dire wolf. It's not.
What they've done is just taken the characteristics
of a dire wolf and recreated it. Are they small?
No. They're very big. They're bigger than a regular
wolf. And they're weird looking. Like they have
a mane. And, you know, they're all white. Like
they're really cool looking. And they walk on
all fours. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a dumb
question. Of course. I was thinking about your
werewolf in London. Oh, he walks on all fours,
too. Does he? But he can walk. That's from American
Werewolf in London. But he can't go. No, that's
a dire wolf. Oh, wow, they're really pretty.
So that's the colossal guys. Yeah, they're really
interesting. It's really interesting because
you see them. Wow, it's really pretty. And when
I saw them, it was in the summertime, and apparently
they were about six months old, and they're going
to get a lot larger. Oh, wait, so they came back
from extinction? Yeah, they brought them back
from extinction through genetic engineering.
That's crazy. They have dire wolf DNA. They mixed
it with gray wolf DNA. I don't know how they
did it. They could tell me. I'll forget five
minutes later. But whatever it is, that's a different
thing that ever existed before since the direwolves
went extinct. Wow. Yeah. So my fear is that these
assholes, not these guys, but that someone, some
scientific asshole, will make a Jurassic Park.
We'll say, hey, we found an island that we can
buy that's 50 ,000 square acres or whatever it
is, and we're going to take and put a few dinosaurs
on this island and make it so that people can
go visit it. That's possible. People could do
that. Well, it sounds possible, but it doesn't
sound worse than like AI things that can be done
on your computer and to our – Brains. You're
more afraid of AI than you are of dinosaurs.
That's rational because AI is more likely. Yeah,
because if somebody said, hey, you could go visit
this island that has dinosaurs, at least I'd
have a choice. And I'd be like, no, thanks. But
I will sometimes, if you're just talking about
a poncho. A poncho? Yeah. Like a poncho, you
know, like a little blanket that has a hole.
Got it. It's a word that doesn't come up much,
but when it came up, I was just talking to my
friend about a poncho. And then all of a sudden
on my phone, there were like lots of ads. Ads
for ponchos. Yeah. I wonder if I'm going to get
some now. You are. Some poncho ads. You're going
to get some poncho ads. I've never had a poncho
ad. If I get one right now, I'll know. Oh, yeah.
No. We're all dialed in somehow. Well, that's
for sure. So I would rather be running away from
a – I would rather die from being squashed by
a dinosaur than just go crazy from thoughts of
things that have been put into my head from AI.
Does that make sense? Sort of. I don't want to
die either way. I don't want to die by AI. I
don't want to die by dinosaur. If you had to
choose one or the other? I really don't think
either one is preferable. I think the dinosaur
is more unlikely. The AI one seems very possible.
There's not a real good roadmap that I've seen
where AI... is not completely disruptive in every
aspect of our life. And the only people that
do provide that roadmap seem to be profiting
off of AI. You know, some people think it's going
to increase productivity. Like Elon thinks it's
going to increase productivity to the point where
we'll have, no one will have to work anymore.
And you'll have what they call universal high
income. That's what he's calling it. But then
you have this real problem of what do people
do with their time? Right. Like how do so many
people really? identify with whatever they do
as a job right right and it gives you a sense
of purpose right most people need a sense of
purpose to be have a to feel happy they also
like providing for themselves like people like
the fact that you work all week you come home
you get your paycheck and you know Now you can
go to the restaurant and it's all your money.
You bought it. You worked hard. And now, you
know, you bought whatever you bought. You paid
for it. A poncho. You paid for it with your labor.
The most beautiful poncho in the world. People
like being good at something, right? If you're
the guy that, you know, if there's something
going on, you need something fixed and you go
to Henry. Like Henry loves the fact that Cheryl
calls him up because she knows that he knows
how to fix things. Yeah. What do we do with Henry?
When Henry loses, like we say, your job's useless.
You're basically like a guy who owns Blockbuster
Video. Well, is that like very, very wealthy
people that are born into money that don't have
to work, that don't have to? That's even worse,
right? Because that's like. very wealthy people
that are born into money have never had to prove
themselves. They've always been more special
than everybody else. If everybody has universal
high income, that won't be a unique thing. So
optimistically, I would say the optimistic take
on it is if that was the case, the real positive
aspect is you wouldn't have to work for your
basic needs. And what you could decide to do
instead is pursue something you're really interested
in. Become an expert in something. Yeah. Or study
a bunch of different languages all day. But will
people? Some people will. Yeah. But I think that's
always the case. That's true. Some people would
take advantage of a situation like some people
during COVID. They said, OK, some people just
became alcoholics and they lost everything. Some
people said, I'm going to start a side business.
I'm going to start an online business because
an online business, they can't shut down during
a pandemic. And a lot of people become very profitable
because of that. It's like. why do we need to
just work all day? If you're a laborer, is that
really the only use of your time? Like if you're
doing it for food, I get it. You're doing it
for housing, I get it. It's a good job. It's
a solid, honest way to make a living. But if
you don't have to do that anymore, and then you
just get money from the government and from whatever
income AI is generating. Wouldn't you rather
play soccer or go do this or whatever your thing
is? Yeah. Painting, whatever your thing is. Right.
You could find anything. You could find a thing
that gives you meaning other than just your work.
Right. Because if you're working in a factory
and you're just putting the dial on the box.
That's not fulfilling and you're not going anywhere.
You're not doing anything. That stuff has only
been around for a while, like a small amount
of time, like being a worker in a factory or
an office. How long has that even been around?
The idea that we can't exist without that being
around is crazy. Yeah. Because for thousands
and thousands of years, there was no money. People
just like hunted and fished and traded things
and started raising animals. There's no money.
You basically just try to stay alive by gathering
food. So do you think that. If nobody had to
work, that we could do without money altogether?
That money could disappear and then— That's a
scary thing because someone's going to have it.
There's going to be— But then if there's no value
to it— Yeah, but there's always going to be value.
This is the scariest thing. From country to country
or worldwide? Everything. The control of resources.
Resources are always going to be valuable. It's
always going to be valuable to have oil. If you
have oil, you can do so many things. You could
make gasoline. You could power things. You make
plastics. Everything comes out of oil. Everything
is petroleum -based. Even your medicine is petroleum
-based. Yeah, but if nobody was paying you to
make it. So everything's free. That's the idea?
How is that possible? Because then no one would
want to make a Ferrari. Because the only reason
why you would make a Ferrari is because it's
hard to get. So it costs a lot of money. Well,
if AI is taking over and taking all of those
jobs and the idea is that nobody is going to
have to work. So if nobody has to work, then
the cars are still being made, right? Maybe.
Oh. Maybe they decide how many cars get made
and how many people can have a car. Wow. Yeah.
Does everybody need a car? Like Oxford, England
just established like this new – they're doing
this thing called like 15 -minute cities where
you have like an area where you're allowed to
travel to. And if you decide to travel outside
of that area, you get a certain amount of them
per year. Wait, you get a certain amount of what?
Travel passes to leave your area. It was a congestion
zone. Okay, whatever it is. I'm just saying,
that's what it was. You go at whatever you want,
but whatever it is, it's the government telling
you you can't leave an area. And if you leave
that area, it costs you money. So it costs you
the equivalent of like $100 a day to leave this
area. Wow. If you get over a certain number of
them. It's similar to what they did in New York
City, however, they stopped it in New York, remember?
Yeah, well, it's crazy. That's why they stopped
it, because this is the beginning of a terrible
trend. So what this is, is the beginning of them
telling you where you can go and how often you
can go. And this is the government doing it.
And the temporary congestion charge. Bullshit.
They've been proposing stiff like this. It's
bullshit. They've been proposing stiff. They
want to control people. They want to be able
to tell you where you can and can't go. The more
they can put restrictions on you, the more they
can pass laws that they can profit from. The
more they can benefit from whatever control they
have over you. The more they can tighten down
on it. And England's a great place to do this
because they've already gotten. Things passed
through in England, like England doesn't have
jury trials anymore except for like murder and
rape and a few other things. It's just one judge.
It's a judge. It's one person deciding. So all
the people that are getting arrested for social
media abuses. It's just one person deciding.
No, it's different judges. It's wherever you
get brought up, wherever you get arrested for.
Right. But one judge. One judge, yes. Just deciding
their fate. Right. Whether they like it or not.
Without a doubt, they're going to go with whatever
the government wants. And they've arrested 12
,000 people over the last year for social media
posts. Just in England. I know. That's intense.
So that's the place where they're, oh, it's a
congestion zone. Fuck off. I asked Andrew about
it last week. What we don't know because we're
not there. People will get bussed into that area
already because it's already congested as fuck.
I don't care. I don't care what's going on. That's
Bangladesh. Okay. That's New York City. That's
a lot of places. That's L .A. Yeah. You don't
get to control whether or not people can leave
an area. I understand. Period. It doesn't matter
what you call it. But this was because they closed
the road. I don't care. They closed the road
temporarily and so they had to put up some. It's
a terrible precedent. It's like what they did
with COVID. They shut down two weeks to stop
the spread. And what happened? It lasted a year
and a half in LA. You don't give them that kind
of control. You can't have ever the control to
tell people whether they can or can't leave an
area. Fuck off. That's crazy. Even their houses.
Remember for a while, you weren't even... You
weren't even allowed to go outside. They said
don't go outside. Well, how about that dipshit
mayor who was saying usually snitches get stitches,
but now they get rewards. Do you remember that?
In L .A., they were telling you to turn your
neighbors in for having parties. Oh, I don't
remember it in L .A., but I remember it in other
states. In L .A.? The mayor of L .A.? That's
crazy. What was that kook's name? It was the
mayor of L .A. He thought he was on the right
side of everything until Black Lives Matter started
protesting outside his house every day for like
a month. Garcetti. Oh, Garcetti. That creep.
That guy, he... Find that thing. That snitches
usually get stitches, but now they get rewards.
Like, literally said that. That is so crazy.
Snitches. Snitching on your neighbor for having
too many people over. That is so crazy. The people
were exactly five feet apart from each other.
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It would be cool if that lady who was doing sign
language was just faking it. Because sometimes
nobody knows sign languages. And she's still
going after him. He's done talking and she's
just like, hey, over here. Well, very few people
know American Sign Language. So she could have
been faking it. Like a bunch of people have been
faking it before and they get caught. No. Oh,
yeah, yeah, yeah. There was a guy next to Obama
when Obama was giving a speech once, and this
guy was completely making it up. Come on. He
was a con man. Come on. Who tricked himself into
being three feet from Obama. No security screening.
Because nobody knows how to validate or verify.
I don't believe it was in America. I think it
was somewhere else. Oh, my God. I took American
Sign Language. So they let this guy on stage,
and you can tell he's just making things up.
Oh, my God. He's like fake sign language. You've
never seen this? No. Find the guy's fake sign
language with Obama. How did they, did he get
busted during the speech? Well, there's sign
language people. This guy right here. So this
guy on the right, or yeah, that guy, he's completely
making shit up. So wait for Obama to get, so
this is the Mandela Memorial. When does Obama
come out? There's one with Obama next to the
guy. So that was what it was. So that's the guy.
See, he's like right next to him. Oh my gosh.
The guy was like completely faking sign language.
He was just a kook. He was like, I can do it.
Yeah, I'm good at it. Let me up there. That is
crazy. People are nuts. People are nuts. You
should know that as much as anybody. Listen,
I've learned it over and over again. And they're
even nuttier at a level that I didn't know. What
was the big turning point for you? Was it just
being attached to Bobby and watching all that
or? It was it was Bobby running for president.
It was it's so crazy. I mean, I really got a
crash course in elections and it is the craziest
shit goes on and everybody is. That's all they
think about. You know, the people that are involved.
They get up in the morning. How can I fuck this
guy over? And they have these people that their
only job is to start a rumor, is to say something,
put something in the press that doesn't matter
if it's true or not. If somebody else picks it
up, they celebrate for the whole day. And it's
like that story, whatever it was, the thing that
they said. gets picked up that is like a day
of celebration it's a celebration from the other
camps and then it's like your camp is now trying
to figure out what to do about that or what kind
of damage it's going to do and is it worth even
fighting or is it better to just let it wither
on the vine it's just all day every day people
are Trying to find the craziest, craziest, doesn't
matter. It doesn't matter if it's about, certainly
if it's about politics or not. It's more exciting
if it's something personal. Oh, he's wearing
lifts in his boots. Oh, she's, and it's just.
But that is an important thing. Someone's wearing
lifts in their boots. Like, hey, we've. How are
you going to govern this country? How did you
get so tall? Out of nowhere. It is absurd. It's
a weird. It's absurd. It's an absurd behavior.
Well, who gives a shit? Women wear heels. Right.
But if a man does it and he's lying about it,
I think that as a short man. Well, did anybody
ask? I think they did. I think they asked. You're
talking about a homeboy from Florida. Yeah. I
think they asked and he denied it. But it was
pretty clear. There was like one podcast or one.
talk show one of those late night shows where
he walked out and I was like why you're walking
like a horse like you're clearly on your tippy
toes this is crazy you've added like five inches
to your height this is bananas and it's all inside
your boots and then that's what everybody's talking
about but don't do that don't do that no one's
gonna tell you that's like a self -inflicted
wound but then it's like oh well he's too short
to govern the country that's crazy If people
think that, that's on them. People are crazy.
Yeah, but they're not going to think you're taller
than you really are. They've seen you for fucking
decades. He's been in the public eye forever,
and then all of a sudden he gains four inches?
Everybody's like, what's going on? People know.
They're scrutinizing everything. You can't pull
the wool over their eyes that hard. Also, it
shows this weird thing where you're so worried
about what people think about you that you're
willing to wear lifts in your shoes. And again,
I say this as a short man. It's important. Like
just be authentic. That's who you are. Because
you're not being authentic. That's who you are.
Yeah. You're not going to change people's opinion
of you if you wear a fucking stilt. But what
does it matter? Like if a guy had a toupee and
he was running for president, would you be like,
nah, no? Because it might make him feel better
to – Fuck your feelings. Take that fucking wig
off. You should run a campaign. Especially if
you're wearing a wig and then all of a sudden
you put it on and you expect me to ignore it.
That's crazy. That's crazy. If you're like bald
forever and then all of a sudden you wear one.
And then the day that you start wearing it. Yeah.
There must be a day in somebody's life when it's
like, I'm just going to go for it and hope nobody.
Well, there's a bunch of like really smart people
who have them on, which is really weird. It's
like, how can you be so smart and you don't know
that that thing on your head is ridiculous? Like
you were bald and now you're not. And I'm supposed
to just go, hey, congratulations on growing all
your hair back. This is fucking nuts. So you
find it so distracting. No, I just find it a
character flaw. I see. I see. Right. OK. It's
like. It's like you you're you're a 60 year old
man and you're concerned with looking attractive
like at this stage of your life. Like, come on,
let it go. This is a crazy thing was going to
happen. It should have already happened. And
at this point, this is a crazy thing to concentrate
on, especially if you want to be taken seriously.
Like you should. But so what about a guy in his
that's 25 that's wearing it? It's sad. Look,
it's like male hair loss is devastating. People
talking, again, as a bald guy. Yeah, I got hair
transplants. I did the whole thing. I tried minoxidil
and all the other different things. It's like
you don't have any control over it. And apparently
now, like, supposedly UCLA has a new remedy that
just grows your hair back. And it's in tests
right now. And they're going to be able to put
it on you. It's probably going to make a trillion
dollars. Is it like a helmet that you put on
your head? No, no, no. It's like some kind of
medication that you topically apply. Grows hair.
Grows hair on mice. And apparently it's going
to work. I mean, it's kind of amazing that they
haven't cracked that code yet. But one day they
will. And if the UCLA thing, then the wig business
goes out of business. Then would you take it?
No. Even if I did, I would shave my head. Why?
100%. I love it. I love having a shaved head.
I love not having to talk to a barber. I don't
give a shit what I look like. You would rather
shave your head than have a meaningless conversation
for 10 minutes. 100%. 100%. Do you shave it every
day, like every morning? No, I shave it every
couple – I shaved it this morning, but I shave
it every couple days. So you wouldn't – so if
I said, if you take this, tomorrow you'll have
– a full head of hair, you'd be like, nothing.
Maybe I would take it and then just buzz that
down and have it really short. Just so you know
it's there. If I wanted to. I could do it if
I wanted to. But I could. I used to love, when
I had a full head of hair, I used to love having
a crew cut. It was my favorite thing. Wow, interesting.
I just love the feeling of it, like when you
rub it and you get all the stubble up there.
I like that. I just don't want to think about
it. It's texture. I don't want to think about
it. That's it. But when I was in television,
I thought about it. I was like, I can't lose
my hair. That's why I got a hair transplant.
I was like, I'm starting to make money. But that
didn't work or you didn't like it? It works for
a little while. But the way I describe it, I
was like, it's like you take people. from a neighborhood
where everybody's really healthy and you move
them to a neighborhood where everyone's dying.
So all your neighbors die. So all the other hair
that was supposed to fall out, that falls out.
And the only stuff that's left is the stuff you
put there. And it looks kind of ratty and sparse.
What do you take it from the back? Yeah, they
take it from the back of your head and move it
to the top. Yeah. A lot of guys go to Turkey
now. I know. They do it and they get their whole
head redone. But sometimes you get a weird hairline
where it's like a little too low and crazy. It's
a little too flat and weird. You're like, what's
going on with your hair? That's hard. Yeah. Because
how do you know? Because you're under, you're
under. Well, you probably think it's a good idea,
and the doctor thinks it's a good idea, and he
convinces you. You're like, it's going to look
good. He's like, it's going to look amazing.
And next thing you know, you look like a wolfman.
Are you out completely when you have that? No.
You're right awake. The doctor's talking to you,
and he's like, I'm going to put one here. They
don't even talk to you. You can watch a movie
or something like that. You just sit there and
chill. There's videos of guys doing it online.
You know I'm not going to watch that. They pluck
these little hairs out and stick them in little
holes. Yeah. I wonder why more women don't do
it. Women do it when women start losing their
hair. Yeah. Quite a few of their patients are
women. Oh, wow. Because, like, maybe they have
alopecia. Yeah. Yeah, and they can't grow it
back, so they transplant it. They do. And you're
okay with that? Yeah, I'm okay with women wearing
wigs, too. You just don't like men wearing wigs.
Nope. I don't like it. That's so interesting.
I don't like men wearing lipstick, either. Unless
you're a singer or someone freaky, some non -binary
person. But you don't want the guy at the grocery
store checking you out. Well, I don't care. It's
okay. You might be a weirdo. You're allowed to
be a weirdo. I don't mind being a weirdo. But
if you want me, if we're all hanging out and
we're going to go out to dinner and you show
up wearing lipstick and eyeshadow, I'm like,
hey, Bob. What the fuck's going on with your
face? Like, if you don't think I'm going to make
fun of that, you're crazy. Yeah, okay. So you
just make fun of him all night, but you're not
so mad that you're not going to go out with him?
No. I mean, it's just, that's a nutty choice.
But it's like, I wouldn't want you being the
treasurer of the United States if you had fucking
lipstick on. It's like you remember that guy
that was working in the Biden administration
that was a man with lipstick and a shaved head
and he was stealing all the women's clothes.
He was stealing women's clothes from the airport.
Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm talking
about. I mean, listen. That's a crazy person.
I think there were a few. There was a few. They
were hiring him just because they were weird.
They were like, this is going to make us look
woke. We're going to hire all the right people.
It's going to be very inclusive. OK, great. You're
hiring mentally ill people. You're hiring a man
who likes to steal women's clothes from the airport.
Yeah. And you're putting him in charge of nuclear
energy. I mean, that is OK. So this goes back
to politics, right? Yeah. So you watch that and
then the next election, it's a new group of people
and they're weird. Right. So it's not like just
one side is. Oh, no, no, no, no. I don't think
I think that's a big trap to think that it's
only the Republicans or only the Democrats that
are weird. No, everybody who wants to do that,
the vast majority of them are unhinged because
that is not a normal job. And they're not good
at it. That's the other thing. They're not good
at talking. They're not good at public speaking.
Even the best ones are like – that's why when
a guy like Obama or a guy like Clinton comes
along, like, holy shit. Or Trump. Right. They're
so good at, like, talking to large groups of
people and being themselves. So when someone's
not good at that, it's, like, glaringly obvious
because most people who are good at that kind
of stuff, they don't want that job. Right. That
job's horrible. Right. Yeah. That job is crazy.
Yeah. Job's nuts. But then do you have to be
good at talking? You do. You do because it's
part of the campaign trail. Well, right. You
have to be good at expressing yourself. But that's
the other thing too is like running for something,
being part of a campaign is so different than
actually doing it. Yeah. Than being – they're
completely – it's like auditioning. It's so much
like auditioning. But it's completely – it is.
It's a completely different skill set. A different
job. A different skill set. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
So it's like, yeah. At least auditioning you
actually acting in the room. Yeah. You know,
when you're running for president, you're not
running for president in front of everybody.
This is how I'm going to do it. You're going
to pretend to be my chief of staff. Yeah. You're
going to be the secretary of defense. I'm going
to put on a play. I'm going to show you how I
would handle it if I ran across the line. I would
rather that. I would like to see a campaign like
that where it's just a little mini play. A little
mini play. Yeah. It's like a little cabinet meeting.
Yes. A little Cuban Missile Crisis right in front
of everybody's eyes. And just to see how everyone
would handle it. Yeah. Well, that's why when
people pretend to be a president in a film, people
go, you know what? He would be a great president.
Like people do that all the time. That's true.
That's how Zelensky became the president of Ukraine.
Because he was a good actor. He was an actor
as a president in a TV show. And that's why everybody
liked him. Did you know that? I knew that he
was an actor. I didn't know he was playing the
president. He was playing the president. He was
a comedian. And he was playing the president
in a television show. And people loved it. And
they're like, he should be the real president.
That's how goofy people are. Well, yeah. That
could definitely happen in this country, don't
you think? 100%. All the people that have played
the president, people will be like, yeah, that
guy could definitely do it. Like Martin Sheen?
Martin Sheen. 100%. People will say, yeah. He
could probably be the president right now if
he wanted to. Yeah. I mean, if someone like that,
like a top -notch actor, really wanted to campaign,
everybody would be fucked. Except for they just
tear him apart and attack him and make up a bunch
of stuff about him and his family. And actors,
they have thinner skin than politicians. Some
of them do, yeah. Most of them. Most of them.
Because as an actor, you're putting yourself
out there all the time and you feel insecure.
People are, if one person doesn't like you or
says that you're horrible, then it's like, oh
my God. But politicians are like, what else you
got? That's it. Well, they're just used to being
full of shit. They live in it. They're comfortable
in it. I think that there are some politicians
that are true, that are authentic and truly working
to make the country better. Absolutely. That
is one thing that I've seen. I think there are
people on death row that are innocent. There
are just so few and far between. I just don't
think it's most. I think the reality – What do
you think – why do you think most – why would
most people do it that aren't interested in truly
making the country better or bettering the government?
Well, it all depends upon what is – what's your
motivation? Like what are you doing it for? And
I think most of them are doing it for the same
reason why people become famous. They're doing
it because they want to be special and they want
to say the things that people want to hear so
that people like them and then they can make
money. I think that's why they do it. And then
once you get in, here's the thing that seems
to be. pretty apparent, is that once you get
in for the most part, you have to adhere to the
mindset of all the other people that are in your
business. And if you don't, you get cast, like
John Fetterman, like you get cast out. They hate
that guy now. They're mad at him because he says,
I think you should probably have ID to vote.
I like John Fetterman. He's great. Yeah. He's
a sweet guy. And he says, he's authentic. That
guy genuinely worked in charities for his whole
life. Like he genuinely worked in doing philanthropy
work and like real stuff. Like he's not a greedy
guy. He walks around a Carhartt hoodie and shorts.
He went to the fucking inauguration in shorts
and a Carhartt hoodie. And I talked to him when
he was there. He's like genuinely sweet, like
in real life. Yeah. He's a nice guy. He is who
he is. Big teddy bear. But a nice guy. Yeah.
And unfortunately, he had that stroke. And so
it messes with his ability to recall things.
So when you talk to him, like on a show, he'll
have like a little iPad that translates stuff.
Yeah. Just so he can recall the question and
do it again. But, you know, he's a smart guy.
Yeah. He just has a weird problem. Yeah. But
the thing is, like, you have to adhere. And if
you don't, you're not allowed to have a deviating
opinion. If you do, you get cast out. You know,
like Thomas Massey. You see the same thing in
the Republicans. Like anybody that has an opinion
that doesn't deviate with the groupthink, you
get cast out. They'll call you a traitor. There's
so terrible things about you. There's a lot of
theatrics. There's a lot of that. And I think
there's a lot of people that are in that business
that start off with really good intentions. Yeah.
And then you see them slowly give in. They slowly
succumb to the weight of what that position is.
They're making a lot of money. Oh, Congress people?
You think they are? Oh, yeah. The way they make
money is inside of trading, Cheryl. Oh, God,
I'm so... Oh, it's so ubiquitous. That's the
dark, dark secret. But it's not even a secret.
Is that why they never leave? Well, that's why
Nancy Pelosi's 1 ,000 years old. She's worth
$400 million, and she makes $170 grand a year.
Make sense out of that. Yeah, it is a little...
Make sense out of that. First of all, if you
had $400 million in the bank, would you keep
showing up for work if you're 85 fucking years
old and you're in a job that pays $170 ,000 a
year? I'd look at that paycheck every week. I'd
be like, I'm good. I'm going to get out of here.
I'm going to go relax on an island somewhere.
I'm going fishing. I'm going to go to Mexico
and go fishing. This is nuts. I'd be enjoying
this money. Why would you still be working? Because
her net worth keeps going up and up and up. You've
seen PelosiTracker .com. Have you ever seen that?
Boys talk about it. Yeah. It's crazy. She's better
at the stock market than Warren Buffett. She's
better at the stock market than George Soros.
But is it possible that she thinks she is moving
the needle in politics in the right way? It's
possible. Sure. It's possible that she convinces
herself of that. It's also possible that. Staying
in office is the best way to ensure you're not
prosecuted. Well, yeah, because if somebody goes
after you, if that's not legal and if you really
did have insider information and you bought a
bunch of stock and something that you knew that
I think there's a real good case that that shouldn't
be legal. It seems like it is legal now. But
if you're involved. I don't know. Is it legal?
I don't think it's a very gray area because the
Congress people are allowed to trade and buy
stocks. And they most certainly have bought stocks
when they knew that a certain market is going
to be affected by a decision that only they knew
was going to be made. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot
of evidence for that. Like, that's how you make
that much money. There's a lot of them. And it's
not a Republican or a Democrat issue. It's red,
blue, red, blue. It's across the board. Yeah.
They're all making crazy loot. Not all of them.
Like, Tulsi Gabbard didn't do it. There's a bunch
of people that didn't do it. Yeah. But there's
a lot of them that wind up making a ton of loot.
And they get super defensive about it. Well,
nobody wants to say, yeah. I did it. Well, tell
me how you became worth $400 million. Yeah. Without
providing any product. Yeah. Like, if you invented
some new mouse that's, like, better than any
other computer mouse. Yeah. Like, oh, I see why
you made that money. Congratulations. Yeah. But
what'd you do? What'd you do? Most people who
make $170 ,000 a year are kind of doing well.
They're either doing okay. They're doing well.
Probably have a nice car. Probably live in a
nice house. Yeah. You're not worth $400 million.
No. That would be the rarest of rare people.
Imagine if you were making $170 ,000 and you
were working side by side with Bob and all of
a sudden Bob's buying a fucking Ferrari. He's
got his own private jet. He's like showing up
with his driver. Bob, what are you doing? But
and or, and I don't know the answer to this,
but I probably should. Aren't there finances
exposed every year or no? Is that just when you're
run for president? I don't know. I mean. certainly
when you run for president, then they want to
audit you or they want to see your tax forms.
Yeah, which is cute. It's fun. But when you look
at the net worth, and it's very difficult to
find out what someone's net worth is, but if
you look at the net worth of congresspeople,
a lot of them are millionaires. But were they
millionaires before they win it? A lot of them
weren't. Well, Ilhan Omar, she was in debt before
she got into office. Yeah, this is a question,
right? Yeah, now she's worth millions. Kind of
odd. She's good. She's really good at her job.
Got lucky? She's really good at her job. She's
really good at her job. I mean, I am seeing,
you know, through the lens with which I'm looking.
I've seen a lot of people come in to the administration
that. have already had a lot of money. So in
that case, it feels like they're coming in for
the right reason. Right. But when they got in,
how much more money did they make once they got
in? That's when things get weird. Did you start
your own crypto coin and do a pump and dump?
Because, you know, that's odd. It's odd that
that's legal. Isn't it? And I don't have the
answer to this either. You probably would more
than anybody. But is there a group out there,
a watchdog group that's looking at all of this
that's like, here's another thing I just discovered
about this stock that's such and such voted for?
There's a lot of people online that do that.
There's a lot of independent journalists that
do that. But the thing is, it never gets covered
in mainstream news. Right. When was the last
time you saw mainstream news doing a deep dive
on Congress people's income? Never. Yeah. It
doesn't seem like, because they want to get access
to those Congress people. Yeah. They want them
to come on their shows. It's a weird business.
It's a weird business because most certainly
when people get into office, they profit immensely.
So let's just pretend you're the president. If
you become the president, I think the president
gets paid. What do they get paid? Like $450 ,000
a year or something like that? How much does
the president get? By the way, Trump doesn't
take that money. He doesn't take a dime of it.
$400 ,000. $400 ,000. But he does that with cryptocurrency.
But the point is, it's like, so you make that
money and then you're in office for four years
and you go, OK, well, are you going to live like
Jimmy Carter? Because Jimmy Carter lived a simple
life until he died. He never profited off of
the fact that he was a president. Or are you
going to be one of those people that give speeches
to banks and you inexplicably make like 300 grand
to just talk for an hour, which is bizarre. That
seems like a way they can pay you legally. If
I was being cynical, that seems like you did
something when you're in office and they made
a kind of deal. You're going to be on your boring
-ass speaking tour. Oh, yeah. And rake it in.
And, you know, sitting on boards, right? It makes
me think of the opioid situation with, what's
their names? The Sackler family. Yeah. Yes. Yeah,
there's a lot of that. The guy from the FDA that
approved it and then left. They found him. Really?
Yeah. When that documentary, Painkiller, came
out on Netflix, which is just so good. Peter
Berg did that. It's so good. Yeah. Not documentary.
Documentary drama. Yeah. Matthew Broderick plays
the Sackler. It was really good. Really good.
The guy who approved it, apparently he was saying
no forever. They took him to a hotel for like
three days. The Stackler family. Yeah. Took the
FDA guy. I mean, what did they do in that hotel?
I'd like to be a fly on the wall. They closed
the doors. Yeah. I don't know what happened.
Suddenly. And then he got a nice job afterwards
where he got paid really well. That's a gross
thing that they do where there's this revolving
door between the FDA and all these other departments
and then these other corporations. So you leave
and then you get this amazing job working for
the very corporation that you were regulating.
Yeah. Like if you were doing a good job, wouldn't
they want to have nothing to do with you? Yeah.
Like this asshole kept us from making billions
of dollars. Yeah. We're going to hire him and
give him $2 million in a consulting job? Consulting?
Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of a way to pay people
off. Seems like it. Someone like me on the outside,
I'm just looking at it logically. Just looking
at it from my point of view. Yeah, of course.
Yeah, seems like it. That's why. And it's legal
somehow or another. That's a weird loophole that
should be closed up. You should not be able to
regulate an industry. And then leave immediately
and go work for said industry. Yes. And make
a shit ton of money. Well, right. This is awesome.
Because it seems like maybe you guys talked.
Maybe somebody is doing something. Maybe somebody
talked. That's why a lot of people don't like
Bobby. Bobby's like. Well, he calls people out
on that stuff. Fucking around with this. Yeah.
The Sackler family one is nuts. It is. Because
it doesn't seem like they're in trouble. It doesn't
seem like. There was a deal, a sweetheart deal,
where they were going to give a certain amount
of money, a small percentage of the amount that
they profited. And then that would also make
them immune to prosecution. But then a judge
pulled that deal right after the documentary
came out or the docuseries came out. But then
you never heard another thing about it. No. So
let's put this on ice for a little bit and just
everybody shut the fuck up. That's another thing
I'm going to have to look up tonight. Everybody
shut the fuck up. And then it never made it in
the news anymore. Yeah. And it just kind of drifted
away. Nobody talks about it. But that family.
Is responsible for the death of who knows how
many people. Yeah. Ruined who knows how many
lives. Yeah. Destroyed families. Destroyed children.
I mean think about if your dad's hooked on opiates
and you become homeless and you're a child. What
kind of fucking crazy path does your life take
where it would have never taken that path if
your doctor didn't sell your dad something that
completely addicts him to it. Right. And prisons
him. Right. Imprisons him in a life of just.
Fucking horrible addiction. Well, that's why,
you know, when people talk about conspiracy theories,
right? It's a conspiracy theory until it's proven
true. So if that can happen, if people can tell
doctors this is not addictive and doctors believe
it and doctors push it, and then you find out
later, oh, yeah, they knew. There we have a...
documents that proved that they knew that it
was addictive. They knew how destructive it was,
but they did it anyway. It's like people can
believe that, but then they have a hard time
believing it about other things. They can't imagine.
Well, they don't want to seem foolish. And this
is the thing about conspiracy theories. They've
done a really good job of making it seem like
you're a fool if you believe in conspiracy theories.
And they did a really good job of that during
the Kennedy assassination. That's when the term
conspiracy theorist really became popular. It
wasn't really a thing that people talked about
all the time before the Kennedy assassination.
And then after that, that became this term that
they would use for kooks. Yeah. A label. You're
a conspiracy theorist. Yeah. They use that for
me all the time. I was about to say. Yeah, all
the time. Are you like the king of conspiracy?
I am a conspiracy theorist. Yes. Because, by
the way, what is a conspiracy? two or more people
working together to do something nefarious? It's
always happened. It's been going on forever.
There's a ton of them that I could just rattle
off the top of my head. And I've had a few conversations
with people on the podcast where they're like,
I think most conspiracies can be attributed to
ineptitude and this and that. I'm like, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no. Not most. A few. Some.
But when there's profit involved, when there's
profit involved, when there's power involved,
when there's control resources involved. Most
conspiracies, in fact, turn out to be true. The
more you dig deep, the more you realize there's
a concerted effort to make these conspiracies
seem ridiculous because you don't want to be
taken as a fool. I am a fool. So if you take
me as a fool, congratulations. You're accurate.
I'm a foolish person. I'm a professional clown.
But why do you say that? I'm the easiest person
to mock of all time. I am a conspiracy theorist
who is a cage fighting commentator. Like half
of the time, half of the time when I'm working,
people are getting kicked in the face. Like that's,
you know, it's like that's like normal, normal.
I mean, but like people look at that as like
that's normal for you. Like that's like brutish,
barbaric, like stupid meathead behavior. Like,
right. Okay. That's okay. Yeah. I don't care.
Also, I think they faked the Gulf of Tonkin incident
to get us into Vietnam. Also, production of heroin
ramped up to 94 % of the world once we occupied
Afghanistan. Like, what? Like, how much of that's
real? All of it. Plus, the United States, the
CIA rather, sold heroin or sold cocaine in L
.A. ghettos to pay for the Contras versus the
Sandinistas in Nicaragua. That's all true, too.
That's real. There's conspiracy theories you
can get into that are fucking real. And you don't
mind people. You don't care what people say about
you. Well, I mean. If they say, no, he's foolish.
I am foolish. I'm a foolish person. Well, I think
that gives you superpower to just say, I don't
care what you think about me. Yes, it's like
doing improv, right? Well, nobody wants people
to think badly of them. Right. I don't want people
to think badly of me. But does it affect your
day to day? I don't pay attention. Yeah. I don't
pay attention to it. It's not good for you to
pay attention. No. I just keep on rolling. If
you see yourself trending on. I don't see myself
trending. You don't ever check it. Nope. Never.
Never. That is so smart. It's not good for you.
You don't change it. You don't change it. Yeah.
You just got to keep moving. And with kids, that's
hard to say. It's hard. It's how kids don't pay
attention. They're going to pay attention, you
know, but they become more resilient from paying
attention. And I hope your kids know who you
are. I would hope that they get you. Yeah. You
know, and I think my kids get me and my family
gets me. Look, I am who I'm a fool, but I'm an
honest fool. You know, I'll tell you what I believe.
And it might not make any sense to you. And you
can mock me all day long. I don't think you're
a fool. That's what's so funny. I think there's
some things that I'm foolish with, but it's okay.
It doesn't bother me. I'm nice. I'm a kind person.
I try to be. I work hard at it. Well, you're
smart and you're curious and you're kind to people.
I think it's important to do. I think it's to
live a good life. You should have a good community
of people that you love and you care for and
you should be as nice to them as you can and
have some fun in this life. But also. You can't
be scared of people who don't know you thinking
that you're an idiot if you're saying something
you truly believe in. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't
mind talking about like the moon landing hoax
or fucking UFOs or I don't care. All the things
that people are like, oh, that makes you look
like a kook. Like, good. Who cares? Then don't
listen. Who cares? Right. You don't have to listen.
Right. But also like I don't have to audition
for something. Right. If I did, then maybe I
would change. I know a lot of comedians that
kind of change their act once they started getting
on TV. Yeah. Because they kind of take the edge
off their act. They don't want to be as controversial.
Yeah. They're worried about a bit maybe getting.
clipped and going viral or especially like only
part of the bit where like it's out of context
doesn't show the whole bit where you know yes
even words i mean that that's goes back to you
know uh the um campaign it's like if any words
that come out of your mouth they can like you
said clip Then it's just gone and then it's now
you're – do you talk about, oh, I – you didn't
play the whole thing. You didn't say this is
exhausting. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.
The words came out of your mouth. It doesn't
matter. Well, look at Trump's lawsuit with the
BBC. They completely clipped his speech and took
50 minutes of it out and put another thing at
the end of it to make it look like he was trying
to get people to go and attack the Capitol. Yeah,
that's crazy. It's crazy. And, you know, he's
suing them now. And then the head of the BBC
had to resign. And but it's like that is normal.
That kind of behavior is normal. Yeah. Yeah.
But what is this election going to look like
with AI? And it's just going to be craziness.
So crazy. I mean, the last one was crazy. This
one's going to be so I can't even imagine what
it's going to look like. Well, it's also Trump
has kind of. changed the way people interact
in debates and in politics you know and there's
people that are trying to emulate his success
right which happens in like all art forms and
I think running for president and being an entertainer
are kind of connected in the fact that you could
almost say that like campaigning is kind of a
performance art absolutely I mean think of like
Like Kamala Harris. She had that one great speech
that she did when they announced that she was
going to run for president. When she said, if
you're going to say something, say it to my face.
And everybody went, oh, shit. It's on. And then
she ramped up in the charts. What was that? Well,
that was a great performance. That was a piece
of art. Right. If you're going to be in that,
that's what that is. So it's like this is what
these people are doing. And he's changed the
art form in a lot of ways. Like he is like, yeah,
you know, like when Elvis Presley came out and
started shaking his hips and everybody's like,
what the fuck is going on? Are we allowed to
do that? I'm going to do that. Right. When Jimi
Hendrix lit his guitar on fire, everybody's like,
what the fuck? We can do that. Yeah. You know,
it's like someone sometimes comes along that
changes the way people do the thing. Yeah. And
he has unfortunately turned everyone into an
insult artist. Whereas you go to the Obama Mitt
Romney thing, and if you can find the actual
one, not one where people are commenting on it,
it's actually interesting. There's another one
that's the really good one. I think the best
one is Clinton when he was running for president.
When Clinton was running for president, he was
so good. He was so measured. He's a great speaker.
Oh, not only that, if you listen to what he's
saying back then, what's really crazy is a lot
of it are right -wing talking points of today.
You know, when they talk about immigration. It's
right -wing talking points of today. It's looking
out for the American middle class. Even Hillary,
the things that are going around, the things
that she said that now people are furious about.
I know. When she was running for president in
2008, we've played this clip a bunch of times
where she's saying, if you're in this country
illegally. Yeah. First of all, you should have
to pay a stip fine. And if you've been arrested
for any crime, you get kicked out of the country.
No questions asked. Everybody's cheering. And
you should learn to speak English. And everybody
went nuts. Yeah. Like that's so MAGA. It's so
MAGA. It's more MAGA than like J .D. Vance. Yeah.
It really is. It's crazy. It is pretty. It is
crazy. It's crazy. But also like no self -awareness.
Some of the Democrats that are watching what's
happening and also. I just don't think there's
anybody capable. There's no other than Gavin
Newsom. Right. Who is like the ultimate like
slick. politician guy and regardless of how the
state goes in California regardless of how the
city of San Francisco goes he keeps winning because
he's really good at like being slick and like
saying things and pretending he means things
well he's a fucking politician and he's a good
looking guy and he's tall and he's got nice hair
and people are dumb and they're like he could
be the president he's my president he could definitely
play the president on TV 100 % right so like
that's all you have to do You have to just be—
Look the part. Talk the talk. Say it the way
we like a president to say it. And it's crazy
because they're the only people today that are
allowed to talk like that and say things that
we know aren't true in a way that is a way that
a person talks when they're running for president
that they never talk like in real life. That's
true. If someone was over your house and they
started talking like that, you're like, Steve
is fucking crazy. We've got to get him out of
the house. He's very presentational. It's so
fake. You're right. There's a lot of the shouting
and yelling. It's weird. It is weird. And now
it's become insulting. Now it's a lot of insulting.
And Newsom has tried to ape Trump's behavior
patterns. I hope the pendulum swings back to
a more dignified. Do you need a really good candidate
from the left? I don't know who that's going
to be. I don't see anybody. That James Tallarico
guy is kind of interesting. He's pretty interesting.
I've had him on the podcast before. He's a very
religious guy and very opposed to them putting
the Ten Commandments in schools, public schools
in Texas. And, you know, his take on it is very
measured as a religious person, very religious
person. He's in seminary right now. And he essentially
said that you're pushing people away from Christianity
by doing this. And that it's not fair that if
you are not a Christian and you go to this school,
you have to read the Christian rules. And what
about the Buddhist rules? What about the Muslim
rules? What about, you know, it's just not right.
And he can talk about it in a real way. And he's
also a very religious person. I'm not very familiar
with him at all. He was a schoolteacher. And
he was realizing that cuts to the budgets were
directly affecting. vulnerable students in his
class. And he pointed to this one kid that he
had that was doing really well because he was
getting counseling and came from a troubled background,
but he was really showing progress. And then
they cut off the funding, he lost his counseling,
started falling apart, dropped out of school.
And he was like, that is a direct result of this
lack of funding for important things that he
thinks directly affect people that are vulnerable.
And he was coming at it from a very honest and
a very moral and ethical place. And when you
could talk to him, you could realize that I think
he's a good man. And he has a real good chance
of being like a... Is he from Texas? Yes. Yeah.
He's kind of young, right? Yes. Very young. I
think he's like 35 or 36 or something like that.
It's also – he pointed out that there's a group
of very wealthy oil people in this country –
or in this state rather that want to turn Texas
into a – they want to fund all the religious
schools and cut the funding for the public schools.
They want to turn it into a theocracy. They essentially
want to turn it into like this – what you would
call a Christian nationalist and they really
want to push that agenda. And they're doing it
with an enormous amount of money. They have an
incredible amount of money and they're these
– evangelical Christians, and they have these
very rigid ideas about what people should be
able to do in this country. Sketchy. Yeah, that's
sketchy. Very sketchy. And it also goes back
to money. Yeah. So even hearing that, like to
run for president. Yeah. It takes so much money.
Yeah. A lot of money. But if people think you
could win, they might get on board. Yeah. That's
where things get interesting. Yeah. If you think
someone can win, how much are you willing to
ignore just because this guy will get in? And
then once he gets in, that's the dirty part.
Once they get in, very rarely do they do what
they said they were going to do. Yeah. Very rarely.
Yeah. Very rarely. Well, and do you think it's
because it's so hard to make change or you think
once they get in, they're like, I don't care.
I'm just going to do what I'm going to do. Well,
I think. If you want to be really cynical, I
think they say a lot of things that they don't
mean in order to get elected. Yeah. They say
the things that the people want to hear in order
to get elected. And then I think once they get
elected, then it's like the Bill Hicks bit. There's
a Bill Hicks bit where he's like, I think they
take you into a dark, smoky room and they show
you an angle of the Kennedy assassination that
you've never seen before. And then they say,
any questions? And you're like, I just want to
know what my agenda is. Yeah. You know, I think
there's a little bit of that, too. Well, you're
right. I mean, not about that specifically, but
definitely when you get in, you see things that
are just like, well, this is bigger. Yeah. Bigger
has been happening for a long time and you're
just a little tiny piece that's not going to
change that. The deep state is real. And if you
want a conspiracy theory that a lot of people
like to dismiss. Just think about it logically.
If there are a bunch of people that are in charge
of enormous organizations, and these enormous
organizations exist regardless of who the president
is, and they are in office for 10, 20, 30, 40
years, whatever it is, acquiring power, using
their influence, enormous amount of support from
enormous corporations, that's real. That's always
been real. And you have to contend with that
if you want to enact meaningful change as a politician
in this country. And good luck. Yeah. Good luck
fighting that battle. Yeah. And when you do get
in as president, there are so many jobs that
you have to fill. Yeah. Like thousands in days,
weeks, months. Thousands and thousands. So you
have all of these. Thousands of new employees
that are ready to work. They have to be organized.
Now they're organizing with the people, like
you said, that are politicals that have been
there. Or they're career people that have been
there through it all, through different. Are
they going to be there when you're gone? And
they're going to be there when you're gone. And
so they'll hit the brakes every time they can.
They'll fucking throw a little monkey wrench
into the gears, slow things down, make backdoor
deals. It's just like crazy. I've talked to Tulsi
about it, and she's like, it's so nuts. There's
people that are in charge of these certain offices,
and they just stop you from. doing what you want
to do. Yeah. And then you have to try to figure
out how to get around it and try to figure out
how to get, and then you have to wash their back
so they wash yours. Yeah. It's a lot. It's just
a lot of every day trying to frigging, and I'm
sure it gets frustrating and I'm sure there are
days when you're like, well, I told the people
I was going to do that one thing and I can't
do that one thing. I can't even get people to
change their mind about what they're going to
eat for lunch. That's the real scary thing about
AI. Said AI is going to come along and be logical
and say, let us handle this. You guys aren't
good at this. I think they're doing that now.
Don't you think they're doing that now? All this
corruption, we could put a stop to it immediately.
We could weed through it. Yeah. We could make
things very efficient. By the way, you don't
think AI could weed out the people in Congress
and wherever that have been? Of course. That
have been making money on interesting. Yeah.
I don't think they're doing anything illegal
currently. I think it's very questionable whether
or not it's an ethical thing to do. I don't think
it is. But I think as far as the legality of
it, it's not it's not like illegal to invest
in a. No, it's not. You ever see Nancy Pelosi
when she got asked about that? It's hilarious.
It's so funny. They caught her off guard. And
do you think? Yeah, I think they should be able
to participate. And she pushes the microphone
away and gets out of there. You never seen it?
It's really funny. I don't think so. Maybe I
have. I don't know. Jamie, pull that up. It's
a fun clip. Because look, she's been running
it like a G. Respect. Seriously. She's been in
for a long time. She's got it down pat, man.
She's got it. There's a photo of her when she
was a young girl standing next to Kennedy. Yeah.
I've seen that. So she's been in this game forever.
Yeah. She knows what she's doing. Forever. Yeah.
And you want to know who she is? Her and Chuck
Schumer, when they put on the African garb and
they got down on one knee for Black Lives Matter,
and it turns out that the colors that they were
wearing were from a specific tribe that was responsible
for a lot of the slavery. They were the people
that were enslaving people and then selling them.
Nobody told her that. She just wanted to look
cool. Nobody told her that. That's a tough one.
Yeah. Make sure that's true. I'm pretty sure
it is. I'm pretty sure it is. What? You didn't
listen? I'm looking for the Nancy Pelosi video.
Oh, sorry. Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer, when
they got down on one knee with their African
garb on, the garb that they are wearing is from
this one particular tribe that was responsible
for a lot of the slave trade. And by the way,
that also speaks to how some things are just
random. done by an assistant somewhere that's
like, I need to have something to put on. And
then now they're, now it looks like they've made
a big statement and it's, you know, it's like,
oh no, I didn't know. That's just kooky to do.
It's just kooky to do in the first place. I mean,
it's like, what are you, why are you doing that?
How about just say. I feel very strongly about
this particular social issue and we need, you
know, less racism and we need to be more equal
in this country. No, but it's about the photo
op. Is that you're getting on one knee? Is that
accurate? Sometimes we go to... I'm trying to
figure out what they're saying about it. There's
a picture, but... Okay. Yeah. People were just
mad that they were wearing the stuff to begin
with. I don't know. Right. It's called Kentecloth.
So was the Kentecloth... Did it... Have anything
to do with the people that were involved in the
slave trade? Did they wear it? Because that's
what I had read online. But again, who knows
how much of that's real? That's the problem.
You read things and it could be horseshit. Yeah.
Fact check. Yes. Go back. It didn't say anything.
It said fact check. Yeah, it didn't say yes.
Yes. It says, yes, first word, kente cloths were
historically worn by empire involved in West
African slave trade. Yeah, so that's true. Well,
it's funny because when Bobby and I travel internationally,
and we might be somewhere where they wear specific
clothing garments, right? And it looks cool,
and it's like we're supposed to go to an event
or a function. And I will think, oh, well, why
don't we wear what? You know, they're wearing.
Bobby's like, calm down. Just wear your own clothes.
Don't. Don't. Just don't. Just don't. And I'm
like, are you sure? Because everybody's, Cheryl,
bring it down. And definitely don't take a picture
with their stuff on. Oh, no. Theo Vaughn did
that. He went to Qatar and took a picture wearing
their outfits. Uh -oh. And everybody's like,
you're bought and paid for. Settle down. Do you
got the Nancy Pelosi video? No, no. There's multiple
versions of it, and most of the things I'm finding
are people commenting on it again. Oh. Because
that's where it exists. I'm sure you'll find
it. It's out there. It's fun. I'm sure there
are a few. That's it. This was not it. It's not
it? No, this is Yahoo Finance talking about it,
and it shows 10 seconds of it, but it doesn't
show her walking away like you wanted to. She
was trying to find what you wanted to see. Let
me hear it. Back it up a little. He's tough,
man. Back it up a little so you can hear the
question. ...in government should be trading.
Take a listen. No, no to the second one. We have
a responsibility to report on the stock, but
I'm not familiar with that five -month review.
But if people aren't reporting, they should be.
Because this is a free market, and we have a
free market economy. They should be able to participate
in that. Hmm. Okay. Okay. Right. So I guess there
is some law. Yeah. There is some law that they
were talking about. You can't know about a decision
that's going to be made and somehow have invested.
Right. But there's a lot of evidence that they
do. And again, right and left. Yeah. It's a lot.
It's definitely not one group. Well, she's the
scapegoat because she's the best at it. She's
the G. She's top dog. I don't even think she's
made the most money. Someone else had made more
money, right? Wasn't it? She was like 10th on
the list or something. Who's the top dog? They're
the one throwing her under the bus. Put Nancy
in front of the camera. Poor Nancy. She likes
the camera. Get her out there. They're hiding.
Nancy's like, ah, well. Yeah, there's some guy
who's like fucking middle of North Dakota. Just
taking it easy. Yeah. Just on his ranch. That
guy, Dave Rouser. Whoa. Look at that, 149%. Whoa.
Okay, but that's, it says stock. value, portfolio
value, but it doesn't say the numbers. Yeah,
well, I mean, that's... Right? You know what
I mean? It's like, so if their portfolio goes
up 149%, but they only have 50 grand in it, as
opposed to what Nancy has in it, hers only went
up 70%. Can you imagine if you went to a fucking
guy and he said he can get you a 70 % return
on your money, you'd be like, what's your name?
How do you know that? What is your name so I
can Google you, Mr. Madoff? Right, exactly. Yeah,
how are you doing that? How are you making that
much money? That's crazy. How about 150 %? That
was like the top one. That guy's doing good.
That guy's doing okay. Right. But maybe he's
smart. He only invests a little bit. Just a touch.
Just a little bit. Just for funsies. In AI. Yeah.
I mean, if you put in 20 bucks and you come back
with 150 % of 20 bucks, no one's going to get
much. Do you gamble? Me? Yeah. No, but I will.
You mean you're ready to start? But it's not
like you love it. No, I don't gamble on cards
and stuff like that. I used to gamble on fights.
I used to bet on fights. But then I really decided
at a certain point in time, I probably shouldn't
be doing this. That was a long time ago, though.
The UFC recently made it illegal. Not illegal,
but they passed a rule saying that the people
that work for the UFC can't gamble on the fights
because there was a scandal. Involved in fixed
fights where it looks like somebody took a dive
for money. And then it turns out many fighters
have been approached and asked to take dives.
And so there's a current investigation going
on. Just like basketball. Oh, yeah. The basketball
thing. Yeah. I mean, it's not. Especially when
money's involved. If you get gambling involved.
But my thought was like I don't have any power
in affecting whether or not the fight goes one
way or the other. I just have insight. Right.
In terms of like what I think I have a more.
educated idea of what a fighter's capable of
than a person who doesn't watch fights constantly.
And also, in the beginning, the early days, I
had a giant advantage in that I was a huge fan
of these overseas organizations like Pride and
Strikeforce, not Strikeforce, but Rizin. A lot
of these companies were bringing fighters over
and these bookmakers didn't know about these
fighters. And I knew a lot about them. I'm like,
this guy's going to fuck everybody up. line is.
I would tell people, like, when Anderson Silva
came to the UFC, I told all my friends, I said,
bet the house. Bet everything on this guy. I
go, this guy's going to fuck everybody up. He's
going to be the champion inside of a year. I
was like, there's no one going to stop him. And
he did. And he was. Yeah. I was like, he's too
good. But you don't want to bet on, like, football
or something that you're not. You're not sort
of... I would. I bet a little bit. I really want
you to gamble for some reason. I'm not scared
of gambling, but I do know that it ruins some
people's lives. Yeah. But so do cheeseburgers.
Yeah. Yeah. Some people, they ruin their life
with Pop -Tarts and Mountain Dew. It's true.
If it's going to be something. But it doesn't
have to be, is what we're saying. Right. It's
the same thing as junk food. I don't think junk
food should be illegal. But I think what Bobby's
doing with junk food is really important. And
what he's also doing with just educating people,
like, hey, like the new food pyramid. Yeah. Oh,
my God. Yeah. Finally, it's aligned with all
the real legitimate health experts. Yeah. Instead
of this nonsense that you're supposed to mostly
be eating grain like you're a fucking cow. Like,
this is nuts. Which, by the way, it— You know,
Bobby's job as secretary of HHS, even something
like the food pyramid, which is I don't know
how you can argue with it, but people will find
a reason to be mad about it. Yeah. And it's no
matter what he says or sometimes the president
says, even if it's something great like favored
nations drug prices. Right. They're saying for
the first time America is not going to pay more
than other countries for drugs, pharmaceutical
drugs. Somehow there are people out there that
would be mad about it. Yeah. They're not going
to take it. Well, they're furious. And outraged.
A lot of them are probably paid off. They're
paid off to be. There's a lot of paid influencers.
That's one thing to take into consideration when
it comes to anything. Like foreign policy issues,
pharmaceutical drug issues. There's a lot of
people that are paid to have certain opinions.
That's a fact. And get it out there. Yeah. They
get it out there. And, you know, someone takes
advantage of the fact that this person has a
large platform. And then they say, hey, you know,
this. fucking drug price thing is wrong. We're
doing something terrible with pharmaceutical
drugs. Too much money they have to spend. We
have to make sure they're profitable. This is
a crime. This is a crime to make it cheaper for
everybody else. They need all the money. Do you
think that influencers that are just the people
that are showing you how to do an exercise or
how to do your makeup, you think those guys,
yeah, somehow they get involved, right? It depends
on who they are and how influential they are.
But I know that happened during COVID. They paid
a lot of people to promote the vaccines. Yeah.
They paid people. Yeah. To promote the vaccines,
which is just. They paid people. That's crazy.
Like, if the medicine's good, you shouldn't have
to pay people to promote it. Yeah. When was the
last time you saw an influencer getting paid
to promote penicillin? Never. Fucking never.
Why? Because it works. It's good. You don't have
to do that. Yeah. If you need it, you should
go to the doctor and get penicillin. It's like
tried and proven medication. That was a weird.
It's a weird time. Weird. Super weird time. But
it opened up a lot of people's eyes and, you
know, air quotes, red pilled a lot of people.
I hear that term a lot. Yeah. Is there a term
black pilled? Yes. Oh, never saw it. Oh, you
never saw The Matrix? No, but I've seen him.
You're an actor. I've seen him like going backwards
in the bullet. It's like, okay, I get it. I got
the thing. Oh, wait. So red pill. So Morpheus
presents Neo with. Is that Keanu Reeves? Yes.
Okay. Well, Morpheus is Lawrence Fishburne. Lawrence
Fishburne presents Keanu Reeves with two pills.
Okay. One of them. Is the blue pill. If he takes
his blue pill, he stays in the matrix and he
has no knowledge of what reality is all about.
If he takes the red pill, the red pill is reality
and he gets to see. So he takes the red pill.
The red pill is reality. And so there's a lot
of people that took that blue pill and, you know,
and they can't tell you what a woman is. That's
an interesting conversation when you hear that.
A great example of someone who took the blue
pill. When you just say, like in these congressional
hearings, like Josh Howley or these people say,
what is a woman? Someone who identifies as a
woman. Okay, what are they identifying as? And
it's like this weird circular logic and they
just keep going and they don't have anything.
Can men menstruate? Can men get pregnant? Yes,
some men can get pregnant. Yes, some men can
have babies. Yes, some men menstruate. Do you
have a PhD? Are you really a teacher? This is
crazy. It is. But that's blue pill. They took
the blue pill. Is there such thing as a black
pill? Yes. What is the black pill? That's people
who think we're doomed and we're fucked and everything's,
they think it's all pedophiles and Satanists
are running the government. And then the white
pill is people who think everything's going to
be great. Oh. Can I get the white one? Yeah,
the white pill would be a good thing to take,
but I don't think it's accurate. I think you
want a gray pill. If they just have a gray pill
that gets you like, hey, there probably are a
bunch of Satanists and pedophiles in positions
of high power. And then there's also probably
a real good chance that we'll pull through this
and we'll be better than we've ever been before.
That's possible. There's a lot of exciting possibility
about the future of human beings. And I think.
The good thing and the bad thing about the internet
is the free distribution of information. There's
a good thing about it that I try to focus on
is that more people have an understanding of
how things are really working than ever before.
Yeah. Like this Epstein file thing. Right. That
was a big eye opener for a lot of people. When
you see how many people after 2008, after he
was arrested, after he went to jail, were actively
taking money from him. MIT took money from him
and tried to hide it and said to make sure that
any any donations from Jeffrey are listed as
anonymous. You find out like people are like
they refer to him as Voldemort. Like you couldn't
say his name. Wow. They there was. A lot of people
that met with him and did business with him and
traveled with him after he was arrested, after
he went to jail. Do you spend a lot of time reading
them? No, I try not to. I try to have experts
come on. I try to read. You can't change it.
Yeah. And it'll fuck with your head. Yeah, it's
toxic. You will really get. It'll stick with
your. And I know I've tried not to. Yeah. I haven't
read any of them. I do see things on the news
and I'm not saying, oh, if I don't hear it, that
means it didn't happen. But it's just it is such
a toxic situation that I think it would be hard
to. It seems very dark. Very dark. Because it
seems like it was this bizarre black male influence
thing that was going on for a long time. A long
time. Through different administrations. That's
what's so unbelievable about it. How long it
was going on. I'm in the files for not going.
Huh? Yeah, I'm in the files for not going. Jeffrey
Epstein was trying to meet with me. Oh, I did
see that. Yeah, and I was like, what? No, thanks.
Yeah. Aren't you glad? Yeah, but I would have
never went anyway. It's like it's not even a
possibility that I would have ever went, especially
after I Googled them. I was like, what the fuck
are you talking about? This was like 2017. One
of my guests was trying to get me to meet him.
I was like, bitch, are you high? Like, what the
fuck are you talking about? For what reason would
you? What what would be if I was a guy who is
like sucking up to the rich and powerful, if
I was really interested in hanging out with rich
and powerful people? You know, it's crazy. It's
so that's so crazy. But, yeah, some people, some
people get intoxicated by being in a circle of
rich and powerful people, even if they're not
like they don't even have any ambitions of being
one of those people. They just want to be around
them. They want to be around. Nobel Prize winners
and – because this guy was – what he was doing
was very clever in that he was getting all of
these very powerful and very respected people
together. Yeah. And you would figure like, oh,
it's safe. If that guy's there, if that lady's
there. Clinton's here. This is fine. Clinton's
here. How could this be bad? Yeah. Look, it's
Steven Pinker. How could this be bad? Yeah. He's
a genius. And so you would go – I would imagine
you would go to these – because I – like there's
people that went to these – Like he had parties
in New York, like he brought in celebrities and
comedians. Didn't Louis Black get invited to
one of those? I think he's talked about it. I
know Chelsea Handler went to one of them. It's
like he would bring all these people in and he'd
like to be around famous people and entertainers
and a lot of intellectuals and professors. Noam
Chomsky was famously deeply involved. So it's
like you would go, I guess, to these places and
that was how he would. to convince everybody
that everything is going to be fine. Like, have
you ever been invited to a party and someone
will tell you, hey, you should go to this party.
Brad Pitt's going to be there. Like, they'll
tell you that to try to get you to go. Right.
They'll tell you about the famous people that
are going to be there. Like, oh. Oh, I don't
know. I should go. Oh, I didn't know. I didn't
know. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Yeah. It is weird.
Some people are really driven by that, really
love the... Parties and the invitations. And
blindly ambitious. They're willing to put aside
all the possibilities of what could be awful
about these people and get together with them
without even a cursory Google search as to who
you're hanging out with. You can't have your
assistant Google something. How about you just
do it? It doesn't take long. Hey, look what I
just found out. This is kind of crazy. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. It's just – but it's – what's more
bizarre is that there's probably in this – I
talked to Mike Benz about this. He was like explaining
how this guy rose to prominence and how he got
this kind of influence that he had. And he was
like there's probably a bunch of those going
on right now that we don't know about. What people
that are – Like that. Like a same sort of Jeffrey
Epstein type situation. Just someone else and
doing it somewhere else. They just haven't been
caught yet. Yeah. Like if he didn't get arrested,
let's think about this. Yeah. Because his particular
perversion, the darkness of it, was that he was
into underage girls. He was into young girls.
Imagine if he wasn't. What if he was only into
girls that are in their 30s? Like you would have
never heard anything about it. What if he just
hired these – adult ladies to come to these parties
that were already sex workers. Would you have
heard anything about this? And that's the thing.
Is that happening right now? Right. Did you hear
about how this started in 2005? I think this
is accurate. I'm glad you're saying that. This
is crazy. Two girls fighting. So it started between
a fight. between two teenage girls at Royal Palm
Beach High School in Florida. Here are the details
of how the event triggered the investigation.
Early 2005, two girls at Royal Palm Beach High
School got into a fight during which one girl
repeatedly called the other girl a prostitute
or hooker. Wow. Wow. That's intuitive. That was
the first arrest. And now listen to this. It
says the Royal Palm Beach High was identified
as a focal point for recruitment where, according
to investigations, at least 15 students were
lured into Epstein's Palm Beach home. Holy shit.
That's so crazy. That's in 2005. Imagine if those
girls didn't get in that fight. Imagine if that
didn't happen. Yeah. It's dark. It's dark. Yeah.
But if that guy was not into that, if he was
not into high school girls. Right. Like if he
was just into grown women who were sex workers
and he ran the same operation exactly the same
way, it could probably go on to this day. Yeah.
And if everybody kept their fucking mouth shut,
if all these guys, you know. Yeah. I mean, look
at some people that are in there. There was nothing
going on. Oh. FBI concluded Jeffrey Epstein wasn't
running a sex trafficking ring for powerful men
file show. Oh, there you go. Oh, there you go.
Who says that? What's that source? It's going
around. I just found the place that was showing
the headline. It was going around the Internet.
Oh, today? Yeah, the AP. It's the AP reporting
it. Today. Oh, I thought that was from 2005.
This is like the FBI stating it today. That's
the gaslightiest gaslighting shit I've ever heard
in my life. Whoa. What do they think is going
on? Just a bunch of fun? A bunch of guys hanging
out? That is... Being fellas? Having cocktails?
Talking about science? They're still looking
into it, but they don't have any evidence. Oh,
look into it. Maybe you should get Eddie Bravo
in the case. I'm looking into it. That is crazy.
Look into it. Oh, it's so crazy. It's, it's,
but... There's probably a lot of that that's
gone on forever. And it's also probably a way
that they can secure business deals and make
sure that people do things they want to do. They
have a little something over them. They do a
little of this, do a little of that. For sure.
This is what, this is what, yeah. I mean, that's
what Epstein was all about, was manipulating
people. you know, holding it over their head
and getting them to do something. Allegedly.
Allegedly. Allegedly. It certainly seems like
that. It certainly seems like that was a big
part of it. I mean, is it possible that people
didn't know what was going on? Maybe initially.
Yeah. You know, if someone got lured in like
they tried to lure me in and they didn't do a
Google search and also they're meeting with this
eccentric billionaire supposedly who's just not
politically correct. Oh, he's a wild guy. Which,
by the way, who cares? People care. People care.
Weirdly. People care about billionaires. They
want to meet. They want to meet. They want access.
Access. They think somehow or another it's going
to rub off on them and they're going to be rich
too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, listen, I see
that. Well, you see it with celebrities, of course.
Sure. I mean, everybody wants to be around. Mm
-hmm. That I see it with Bobby. People want to
be around him. They want to. They want to tell
them something. They want to talk to them. And
it's like, wow, it's intense. It gets really
weird, yeah. It's real weird. I think it's a
natural human inclination. I think it goes back
to the tribal days. You want to be around the
chief of the tribe. I just think it's normal
primate behavior. Yeah, and it makes sense that
you want to be around people that sort of lift
you up. give you ideas, show you something that...
Sure. Wouldn't otherwise see that. In the best
case scenario. In the best case scenario. In
the best case scenario, you want to be around
good people because you want to be around a good
person. If you meet someone who's really cool,
like, wow, that guy's really cool. I love being
around that person. Everybody loves him. Why
does everybody love him? Look at his behavior.
He's such a nice guy. Yeah. Like, and then, you
know, that's good. Rubs off on everybody. Yeah.
But also, for some people, it's just like they
see someone who's very important and they want
to be important and they think being next to
that person makes them important. Just being
next to them. them is going to do something for
them. Well, that's why people name drop. Right?
Name dropping might be the worst strategy that's
ever been conceived that doesn't work, and yet
people do it all the time. Like, it never works.
Nobody ever says, wow, it was over at Leonardo
DiCaprio's house the other day. You know, Leo
and I are close. Nobody goes, wow, you're so
cool. You're friends with Leo. No, they go, listen
to this motherfucker name dropping. Right? It's
weird. It's weird, but people still do it. Yeah.
It's like... I was just telling my niece. Oh,
you just name dropped your niece. I didn't say
your name. But I was saying like a woman who
has a bumper sticker that says classy lady. I
don't think you are. Yeah. It's like if you have
to tell people. That's a good example. It's like,
I don't think so. Classy ladies don't have bumper
stickers, first of all. What are you doing in
your car? What are you doing to your car, your
poor car? Classy lady's hilarious. It's hard
for you to go out. Can you go out? It's a struggle.
You are so famous that there's fame, you know,
where some people come up and go, oh, hi, I like
the thing that you did or the thing that you
do. And then there's the super famous where everybody
knows you and it's probably. It's got to keep
you from actually doing normal things, I would
think. It's definitely a problem. Yeah, it gets
in the way. But that's what you sign up for.
Yeah. You know, I didn't necessarily sign up
for it, but it became. What it is. Like when
I first started doing this podcast, I never would
have, never would have, if someone told me it
was going to be what it was, what it became,
I might go. Not ready for that. I don't know
if I want to do that. That's a lot. I like to
just be like a B -list sort of weird guy on the
outside. It's like kind of keeps working, but
that's it. You're the first person that I've
ever talked to that's like, yeah, I just want
to be B -list. Oh, B -list is sweet. It's good.
It's a sweet spot. Nobody knows who you are.
Nobody cares. You can go to the movies. Oh, yeah.
Nobody cares. If they see you, they say hi. That's
it. Yeah, that's it. Oh, hey, aren't you that
guy that was on that show? Yeah, hi. That's it.
Nice. Yeah. Nice. That's nice. Perfect. Yeah.
You can go to Disney World. Yeah. Yeah. You get
to a certain level, you can't go anywhere. No.
That's where, you know, you fucked up. Well,
don't run for president, by the way. No chance.
Not a chance in hell. No, never. Never. Not a
chance in hell. Zero political aspirations. Don't
listen to me. If I run, don't vote for me. Don't
do it. I don't want that job. I wouldn't be good
at it. I'm not designed for it. No. That's a
tough job. It's a crazy job that made sense when
there was 150 people and they all had muskets.
It doesn't make any sense. That one alpha should
be involved in controlling 350 million people.
Yeah. That's nuts. That's a crazy job. It's all
a crazy setup. And by the way, elections are.
Hell. The way they're set up is crazy. Yeah.
If you, when you're in it and you start seeing,
this is what you have to do. Especially running
as an independent. This is what you have to do
for each state. It's different for each state.
Yeah. Just like who made up these rules? People
that were trying to make sure that it was really
hard to win. Yeah. To make sure an independent.
There's a there's a thing where people are not
allowed to question that. If you question you
call the fool or you call the conspiracy theorist
like, hey, I think there's some election fraud.
How much do you think there is? Like when people
say, I don't think the election in 2020 was rigged,
I go, well, I don't have any evidence. I don't
know. But if I had to ask you what percentage
of election fraud is real, I don't think you
would say zero. Yeah. I don't think anybody would
say zero. Well, I mean. Right? Do you think,
like, there's a woman in California that recently
registered her dog and used a mail -in ballot
and voted for her dog to expose the fact that
you could do this. And, you know, California
famously doesn't allow you to show ID when you
vote, which is crazy. That's pretty crazy. That's
crazy. Like, you're not allowed to? Not only
are you not asking, you're not allowed to. You're
not allowed to show it. That seems like, if I
was being super charitable, I can't find a reason
why that makes sense. And I've never seen Kamala
explain that. Like people in poor places, they
can't go to Kinko's and they can't get their
ID. I haven't seen that. Something to see. Fucking
nuts. It's like the most rambly, cockeyed answer
for like it doesn't. There's no answer that makes
any sense. Like why shouldn't you have voter
ID? Yeah. Unless you're trying to cheat. So then
the question is, OK, let's say they're not trying
to cheat. They just want to make it easy for
people that don't have ID to vote. How much of
those people are voting that shouldn't be voting?
It's not zero. It's not zero. So how much of
an effect did it have on the election? I don't
know. But here's the thing, Democrats. If that's
a fact and it happened in 2020 and maybe it happened
in 2024. We don't know. Maybe it'll happen again
in 2028. Maybe the Republicans will lock it down.
Right. And they'll rig the elections. Do you
think that's OK? I don't think that's OK. Right.
Well, by the way, remember. Bush v. Gore. Oh,
yeah. I mean, that's when things turned for me
where I was like, mm -mm, I'm out. That was shady.
It was so shady and it was so dramatic. Took
like a couple weeks to figure out who the president
was. Remember that? I do. Yeah. I do. Do you
remember Hacking Democracy, the documentary on
HBO? No. Ooh, it was really good because it was
all about the Diebold systems and they showed
in this documentary that these systems have third
-party input. So the idea was that these systems
were owned by some large contributor to the Republican
Party. And these machines that were in place
supposedly on this show, if I remember correctly,
they showed that they can affect the election.
They showed they could change the numbers with
third -party input. And they did it on the show.
So at that time, that was supposed to be evidence
that the Republicans were capable of rigging
the election. And so everyone was supposed to
be outraged. Oh, my God, they've hijacked our
election process and stolen it. But then in 2020,
because it was Trump. And he's such a polarizing
character that when he said that the election
was stolen, everybody was like, this is an affront
to our democracy. Never has a president said
that the elections weren't fair. That's not even
true because Hillary did it in 2016. She said
that he wasn't the rightful president, that Russia
helped him win. I mean, it's been going on, I
think, almost every election. And just like Gore
v. Bush, it was like people were so outraged.
You know, we're not going to take this. This
cannot be how our elections are held. And, you
know, for a moment in time, it felt like, oh,
my gosh, they're really going to, whew, they're
going to redo it all. And then it's every year,
nothing. Every year, people are outraged. It
seems like it escalates. People love to be outraged.
They do. It makes them feel like they're doing
something. They enjoy it. They seem to enjoy
it. They do. Yeah. Well, it gives you a purpose.
Yeah. You know, that's part of the thing of being,
you know, if you think you're an activist, air
quotes, you know, you think you're out there
affecting things and you're out there chanting
and screaming and carrying the signs that the
NGOs had print up. And you're out there, you
know, you've got a purpose because otherwise
you'd just be sitting at home watching TikTok.
Yeah. Instead, you're out here saving the world.
And people can see it. Yeah. But yeah, maybe
organize a group to help people. Get their citizenship
to help people – to help people. Yeah. Organize
together to move things forward. Yeah. To help
people would be nice. But the citizenship thing
is kind of crazy because the borders were wide
open for four years. And they just – they invited
people into the country essentially, helped them
get in, gave them aid. And then once they're
in, now the new administration is trying to arrest
them and capture them. So both things are crazy.
It's crazy that you did this. And that you just
let these people and told them, you know, you
can have a better life, come to America. And
then it's also crazy that now you've got armed
masked people running up to people asking for
your ID to check to see if you're an American.
Yeah. Like both things are crazy. Both things
are crazy. But it's just – there's no pathway.
Even if you've been here – like if you came over
here 25 years ago and you've been a great person
and you pay your taxes and you raise a family
and like there's no pathway. You have to go back
to Mexico or go back to Guatemala or wherever
you're from. The only way to apply to do it the
right way is you have to leave the country, which
also seems kind of crazy. Like you've built a
life here. Right. There should be some kind of
amnesty. Now, I'm not saying that for people
that are criminals or people that, like, just
got here. Like, there should be some – no. Like,
if you were one of the people that just recently
snuck across the border, like, no. Like, this
is crazy. You haven't built a life here. This
is going to be hard to – That's a tough system,
right? Some people, yes, and some people, no.
Oh, it's a tough system. It's definitely a tough
system. The whole thing is tough because we're
a country that's established by immigrants. It
feels impossible. But you can't have an open
border. You can't just have anybody come through
because there's going to be a bunch of criminals
that come through, and you don't want that. You
don't want your country to be more crime -infested.
You don't want your country to have murderers.
you know, cartel members just coming into the
country and now getting citizenship and being
able to vote and organizing. And that's crazy.
That's crazy. That's a good way to destroy your
country. Yeah. You know, you have to have some
way to vet whether or not people are good people.
Yeah. But when you just let everybody in and
you let 10 million people in, how do you, unless
they get arrested while they're here. Right.
What do you do? And even then, like a lot of
them during the Biden administration, they were
getting let go. Sanctuary cities will let people
go. They weren't overcrowded. It's just crazy.
The whole thing is crazy because it's become
a part of a political pawn because they just
want a bunch of people in these swing states
for the census. So they get more congressional
seats, and if they get these people and give
them the ability to vote, now you have a built
-in voter base, and you can just rig the election.
You can rig it that way. I need the white bill.
Yeah. Or the grayish white bill. I'm handing
out gray bills. We might be okay. That being
said, we might be okay. Things are headed in
a pretty good direction. It's possible that we
could be okay. But there's a bunch of things
that have to happen. But a bunch of things have
happened that have allowed us to understand how
fucked we are, which is the first step towards
fixing it. Admitting you have a problem. The
big one was Elon buying Twitter. That was one
of the biggest ones of all time. The problem?
No, the big solution. Oh, for free speech. We
found out when he bought Twitter that the government
had been censoring people's speech. Yeah. You
can talk to Bobby about that. Crazy. It's crazy.
Crazy. Censoring accurate speech by experts from
Stanford, MIT, these people that were experts
in their fields that say this data does not align
with, you know, what you're saying does not align
with the truth. And this is what I think. And
these people were silenced. They were kicked
off Twitter. They lost their careers. It was
crazy. And the government orchestrated it. That's
not good. We wouldn't have known that if Elon
didn't buy Twitter. And you think people would
be outraged by that. You think a lot of people
would be outraged. On both sides of the aisle.
On both sides of the aisle. They should be. About
free speech being shut down. But people were
happy with them doing it as long as it aligned
with their values. Yeah. Yeah. That's not good.
Yeah. That's not good. None of it's good. No.
Yeah. It's like we've got to have some rock solid
ethics and morals. And if we don't have that.
Where do we get those? Jesus. Jesus. Jesus has
to come back. Please, Jesus. If you're going
to come back, Jesus, now's a good time. But if
he came back, everybody's like, it's fucking
AI. They think we're dopes. Nobody would believe
him. If Jesus is like hovering over the Pentagon,
please stop with this war. They're like, this
is. Nobody believes it. Yeah. That'd be the real
problem. That's going to be the conundrum. Jesus
is going to come back when AI hits its full peak.
No one's going to believe. They're going to go,
what? There'll be a few. But then that'll be
really divided. It'll be like three people in
the rest of the world. It'll be the people that
see like the Virgin Mary on a grilled cheese
sandwich. Those people. Which, by the way, I've
seen pictures. You never know. What a crazy thing.
The Virgin Mary wanted to give you a sign right
on a grilled cheese sandwich. Yeah. I'm here
to let you know. God is real. I'm here. It's
like, oh, I was hungry. I wanted to eat that,
but now what do you do with it? Put it in a baggie.
You got to save it. You can't just eat it. That's
crazy. But then what happens? Keep it. Show relatives?
Keep it in the freezer. I think we're going to
need something that happens. I hope it's not
something bad because one of the things when
something bad happens is it unites us. Like 9
-11. I know, yeah. 9 -11 united us. It did. For
a small amount of time, people were pretty awesome
to each other. And we realized that we're really
together. Yeah. We're supposed to be one group
of people. Yeah. I just hope it doesn't take
something like that for us to snap out of this
crazy. Right versus left thing because people
just pick a side and adopt their pattern of thinking.
Yes. They adopt their – whatever their values
are, whatever their opinions are. They just adopt
a conglomeration of other people's opinions rather
than forming their own. And you can't question
anything because if you do, you get cast out.
And you have to make clear that the other side
is really wrong. And the other side is evil and
you're good. Yes. It's good versus evil. It is
good versus evil. And with every – election this
could be the end of democracy oh every time democracy
is on the line this is the yeah yeah i get sick
of that one yeah oprah said that when she was
running for commonwealth this might be the last
time you're ever allowed to vote like yeah no
is that on the table do you think people are
going to tolerate that for real trump's going
to be an emperor okay i know Yeah. What? I know.
It's weird. But that's how they get people riled
up and get people to vote. Yeah. You got to,
you know, you got to use hyperbole. Yeah. Yeah.
You have to make people mad. If Bobby tried to
run for president again, would you tell him,
fuck you? Like, there's no way. Would you go,
would you say, look, we did this rodeo. Enough,
dude. He's not going to run again, but. Thank
the baby Jesus. If he did, you know. Once again,
I'm saying he's not running. But I do feel like
it would be different because before I knew it
was going to be crazy. I didn't know why. It's
kind of like having a baby. You know, it's going
to be hard, but you're not sure why until you
have a baby. And then you're like every night
you're hoping your baby lives till tomorrow.
And it's a different kind of stress that you
had no idea existed. But with Bobby. I know now.
I know what they're all up to. I've heard all
of the stuff that comes out, the people that
come out and they spend all day and night online,
going to events, trying to get him, attack him,
expose him, paint him as this or that. And it
was a lot, you know. That was a lot. And at the
same time, it's so much bullshit that I know
now what to expect. Like just a lot of bullshit
all day, every day. And I would know more what
to pay attention to and what to concern myself
with. Because before, it was all coming at you
every day, all day. And also my own career, my
own friends, my decisions got lumped in with
that. So it so everything changed. Everything
was changing all day, every day. And I feel like
the changes that have been made wouldn't have
to. Things have already changed. Some things
have changed. So it wouldn't be in that state
of chaos every day. It would be a different type
of chaos. Yeah, it's definitely chaos, too. But
I see why people run again. Because before, when
I watched people run again, you're watching it,
and it's just like a, you can't, it's like a,
you know, dumpster fire. You're thinking, there's
no way that guy is going to run again. That had
to be the worst four years. Hillary, there's
no way she can run again. That had to be the
worst time of her life. And then they run again,
you know? And then you feel like, oh. Now I understand
why. Because there's almost that idea of, like,
that's all you had. You gave your best shot.
You pulled out all the stops from 1989 to, you
know. So, like, they can't say the same bullshit
over and over. So there's that part of it that's
like, okay. And I'm sure it's intoxicating for
some people. Yeah. Well, people like winning,
too. People like winning. So they want to be
the person that's on the TV that says, the new
president of the United States. They want to
be that person. I fucking won. You know? Yeah.
That's why people want to win an Oscar. That's
why people want to win everything. They want
to win. They want to be the person on TV. Everybody
says they're a winner. Ah. What about all the
presidents before TV? They didn't care. Or, I
mean. I don't know. I mean, one of the weirder
presidents that was on TV was Eisenhower. Because
when he was leaving office, he told everybody
to be careful of the military industrial complex.
He warned them on television, his speech to the
union. You ever seen that? It's kind of crazy.
Because this guy's, you know, decorated. Former
president. I mean, he's leaving office. And as
he's leaving, he's telling people to be careful.
You have to be very wary that the military industrial
complex wants to go to war and that we have to
be very wary about their influence. This is a
sitting president. Yeah. Who's announcing it
to the nation. I think people are probably like,
wait, what? What was that? I feel like that was
in the late. When did Eisenhower give that famous
speech? 61. 61. Farewell Address. It's crazy.
You want to see it? Yeah. Let's play that and
we'll leave with this because this is kind of
nuts. Because this aired on television back then
and obviously back then there's no internet.
There's no VCRs. There's no nothing. So you saw
it or you didn't see it. And that was it. And
you heard it secondhand. Yeah. And whatever opinions
you get about it are from your neighbors and
that's it. And everybody shared their opinions
and it just got washed away. And no one really
thought about it until the Internet came around
and people were allowed to review it. So this
is Eisenhower in 61. The vital element in keeping
the peace is our military establishment. Our
arms must be mighty, ready for instant action,
so that no potential aggressor may be tempted
to risk his own destruction. Our military organization
today bears little relation to that known of
any of my predecessors in peacetime. or indeed
by the fighting men of World War II or Korea.
Until the latest of our world conflicts, the
United States had no armaments industry. American
makers of plowshares could, with time and as
required, make swords as well. But we can no
longer risk emergency improvisation of national
defense. We have been compelled to create a permanent
armaments industry of vast proportions. Added
to this, three and a half million men and women
are directly engaged in the defense establishment.
We annually spend on military security alone
more than the net income of all United States
corporations. Now this conjunction of an immense
military establishment and a large arms industry
is new in the American experience. The total
influence, economic, political, even spiritual,
is felt in every city, every statehouse, every
office of the federal government. We recognize
the imperative need for this development, yet
we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications.
Our toil, resources, and livelihood are all involved.
So is the very structure of our society. In the
councils of government, we must guard against
the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether
sought or unsought, by the military -industrial
complex. The potential for the disastrous rise
of misplaced power exists and will persist. We
must never let the weight of this combination
endanger our liberties or democratic processes.
We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert
and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper
meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery
of defense with our peaceful methods and goals.
Crazy. It is crazy. So it's basically... He was
predicting exactly what we're dealing with right
now. Which is just like the president should
be responsible for keeping our country out of
war. Yeah. And, well, also that there's a machine
that wants to go to war. Yeah. Because that's
how they make money. Because there's more money
involved in that than anything. Oh, I've learned
a lot about that, too. That's scary. It's pretty
crazy. You don't want to be on the wrong side
of that. No. No. I've seen some shit, man. I
bet you have. Like stuff I did, I don't want
to know. Was the most disturbing thing... Well,
what was the most disturbing thing? For you personally,
going through all of it. Oh, for me? Yeah. I
think, well, definitely I was worried about Bobby's
safety. You know, just watching him. Yeah. Especially,
yeah. So that, and then... And then for me, you
know, I, everything changed and a lot of, and
I don't know, people just have, it was interesting
to watch people change their attitude about me
or that they, I'm not the person they thought
I was type of feeling, which is strange because
I'm still the same person. So that was really,
and still is too, a sense very strange. Yeah,
but you find out who's real. Yeah, you do. That's
probably a good thing. Yeah, it is. It's good
for someone to betray you like that. Like, oh,
look at you, sweetie. See who rises to the top.
Yeah. Yeah, it's true. It's painful though. Yeah.
You know? It sucks if you really like that person
and all of a sudden. Yeah. Yeah. And also just
people that don't know you, they assume things
that aren't true. I mean, I sound ridiculous.
It's like, okay, get in line. But it was different.
I just did not expect politics to be such a part
of my life. Yeah. I'm still shocked. But, you
know, everything's good now. But it was, there
were times, and there still are times. But really,
the safety, Bobby's safety, was the most stressful.
Every day, all day. You know, now he... travels
with the marshals and then that's a and even
when we even when he was running and that's why
i do write my book um unscripted that uh you
know he was trying to get secret service protection
for so long and was denied which is also right
while i was running yeah which is crazy it was
crazy um and then the bind administration's like
nope no yeah everybody else You can have it,
but not you. So crazy. And then he did get Secret
Service after the assassination attempt on President
Trump. But it wasn't for very long because the
election was, you know, close anyway. But just
that, just having Secret Service and security
around you all the time is... crazy you know
and you learn and also you know what's disturbing
like you learn you learn what to look for and
what to do in an emergency and what you know
things that you would never really things that
you wouldn't think about but then now you walk
into a room and you look at people and you're
like okay that guy's sweating A lot for no reason.
You look to see what's suspicious, what's going
on, and you see things differently. You have
to have your guard up for the kooks. Yeah, a
lot of kooks. There are a lot of kooks. Yeah,
and this is a conversation we had recently. I
think they've weaponized those kooks. They make
these people think that they're doing something
important. Yeah. There was a lot of talk like
that, like someone needs to step up and do something.
Like, what? What are you saying? Like, what do
you say? What the fuck are you saying? Right.
Right. Yeah. Like, imagine advocating for that
and thinking you're on the good side. Yeah. You
should do something. Yeah. That the only solution
is assassination. Take matters into your own
hands. Someone needs to do that. Yeah. Yeah.
Wow. I'm glad we're leaving this on a high note.
Yeah. Well, it is an undeniably bizarre time.
You know, it was a bizarre time. And again, I
think. It's uniquely bizarre today because we
know more about what's really going on than ever
before. Yeah. We know more about the behind -the
-scenes stuff than ever before. Yeah. And it's
about who do you believe. That's the thing. Well,
once again, that's why people really like your
show because you're not trying to win anything.
You're not trying to get anything. That's why
people really respond to it. I think people need
some kind of uncensored, uncontrolled discourse.
There's hardly any out there. No. Most of it
is controlled by advertisers. Yeah. Yeah. And
that's just not good. Yeah. All my friends who
do shows where they're on some sort of a show,
you have to. You get notes. People come in. You
got to cut this out. Can't talk about that. Don't
bring this up. This is going to piss off that
company that's going to do this. Yeah. It's not
good for us. Yeah. And that's the beautiful thing
about the Internet. Like, this is a thing that
they never saw coming. And this is what's so
important about Elon owning Twitter. You know,
he just turned it into the Wild West. Like, go
crazy. Yeah. That's what we need. That's the
only... You get a lot of bullshit. There's a
lot of... Everyone's going to get tricked a few
times. But for the most part, reality resurfaces.
Hmm. So that's our white belt. I'm going to...
I'm going to try to remember that. For the most
part, reality resurfaces. Yeah, when you try
to squash it for a long time, no matter what,
eventually it pops up. You go, oh, this is real.
Yeah, because there's only one truth, right?
There are a lot of different lies, lies, lies.
But the only one truth, and if it... Like you're
saying, keeps coming up. It's really hard to
deny. Yeah. The problem is like with government,
the truth is so difficult to understand. There's
so much going on. There's so many moving pieces.
You're like, OK, well, why is that happening?
Who's doing that? Why is that? Why did they make
that decision in the first place? Well, what
happened to that ruler? How did he get kicked
out of office? We funded that? Like, oh, God.
Yeah. And it's just so. The rabbit hole goes
so deep. Yeah. And that's one of the reasons
why people get so obsessed with all this stuff,
because you could lose your mind just chasing
down every single story. Yeah. Or just make a
new one. Make your own. It's easier for them.
Just make a new one. Yeah, you could definitely
make one up. You don't have to worry about the
facts and what's real. It's just like, oh, did
you hear about it? Unscripted. You did the audio
for it? I did. My sister says to play it like
at least one speed faster. Your sister's telling
you. That's like a subtle way of her saying you're
boring. Why are you talking so slowly? Oh, that's
funny. But yeah, it's interesting. I mean, I
think it's, of course, I hope I think it's interesting
because I wrote it. But yeah, there's definitely
stuff about Curb, stuff about the... Bobby, the
politics. Bobby before politics. Bobby after
politics. It's great. It's a wild ride. All right.
Well, thank you very much, Cheryl. I really enjoyed
talking to you. Thank you, Toby, too. It was
a lot of fun. Me, too. Thank you. Thank you,
everybody. Bye. Bye.