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Welcome to this curated educational transcript of the Joe Rogan Experience. In this session, we provide a deep-dive examination of the critical perspectives and historical dialogues presented in Episode #1548. Our mission is to offer a high-fidelity, searchable research resource for students of cultural history, emerging technology, and global discourse. This transcript has been specifically optimized for academic reference, linguistic study, and archival preservation regarding Boxing Science, Human Performance Dynamics, and the Psychology of Competitive Resilience.
The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan

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Podcast by night, all day. Roy Jones Jr., ladies

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and gentlemen. What's up, my brother? How you

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doing? I'm honored to have you in here. I've

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been a fan forever. I noticed and I was going

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to tell you that I'm very happy to be here for

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you. And for me, because I've been a fan of yours

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as well, but I always love the support that you

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give me. You've always supported me since day

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one. You've been one of the best people that

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I could hear talk about me since day one. So

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I just want to say thank you, man, for all the

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support, for being a brother. Thank you, sir.

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Thank you. My pleasure. I feel like we're brothers

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now, you know? For sure. I've been a fan forever.

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Thank you. Like from way back in the day, you

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know. You know, your song, Y 'all Must Have Forgotten.

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I didn't forget shit. I remember all of it, man.

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I remember when your fights were basically executions.

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Yes, exactly. There was some years, man, where

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you would just like, see, how is this guy going

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to survive and how long? And you had, there was

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a time in your career when you were at your peak

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where you had devised this style that was so

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different than anyone else's. Very few jabs you

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would throw. A lead hook. No one knew. how to

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prepare for it because there was no sparring

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partners that could emulate it. Your speed was

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off the charts. Your movement was off the charts.

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I think to this day, you're the only person in

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CompuBox history that went a full round without

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having a single punch scored on him. And they

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say I'm not the best defensive fighter ever.

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Listen, that's... No one's ever... I mean, maybe

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Willie Pepp might have done that back in the

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day. Before CompuBox. Since CompuBox era, nobody

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has ever gone a complete round. without getting

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a punch scored on him. It was ridiculous. And

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you tell me he ain't the best pound for pound,

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or he ain't the best at least defensive fighter,

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and we know about the offense. But I don't argue.

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I just listen to what people say. No, there was

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a time where I always said, like, people would

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say, oh, but he didn't fight anybody. I'm like,

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the fuck he didn't? They just couldn't compete.

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That's all it was. You fought world champions.

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Like the song say, I just make them look like

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nobody. Y 'all must have forgot. You had such

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a strange style, man. How did you devise that

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style? Honestly, man, it was a lot. My father

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was a fighter who was trained by Sarge Johnson

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in, I think, some part of the armed services.

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Anyway, my father learned a lot, but he also

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learned a lot of things not to do. So by learning

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those things, he was able to give me a very good

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foundation. With that foundation, My father had

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roosters, fighting roosters when I was young.

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So I would watch the roosters all the time because

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roosters develop a pecking order. And people

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always talk about, you know, fighting animals,

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this, that. They develop a pecking order on their

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own anyway. They're going to do that anyway.

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So I would always watch them to figure out what

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made one the king of the pecking order, what

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made him better than the rest. And when I learned

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what that was, it was a few things I figured

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out. Once I would figure them out, I started

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emulating them. emulating those things in my

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boxing style. So from fighting chickens. Yes.

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What was the thing that you noticed? Well, first

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of all, the one that usually was on top, he knew

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and he cared himself for the error, error of

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confidence that he was going to be messed with.

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So when he fight, he do a lot more faking, a

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lot more faking, never let him know when he coming.

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All of a sudden, there he goes. And he stayed

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powerful. He stayed the same the whole day. And

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it's like any time he went against anybody, he

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did the same thing. He used the same fangs, same

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fangs. And he often would do things that other

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chickens just didn't know to do. But that's God

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-given. Man didn't teach them that. God gave

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them that. So if you learn his characteristics,

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which I would watch how he would carry himself

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all day long, the way he carried himself when

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he wasn't around the other ones, the way he got

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ready when the other ones came around. People

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say, people used to think that I was very egotistical.

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I've never been an egotistical person, but what

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I was was a highly confident person. I'm God's

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game rooster. You feel me? You bring another

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one around, guess what? I'm ready to defend my

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turf. That's a funny thing to say to a world

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champion fighter who's one of the greatest of

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all time. You're egotistical. I mean, listen,

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if you're not confident, you don't get to that

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place. Never, ever. Impossible. Never, ever.

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You have to have a belief in yourself. There's

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no other way. If you don't, who's going to believe

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in you? Yeah, nobody. Yeah, I was a fan back

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when you got fucked over in the Olympics, man.

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God damn, did they ruin that. That was terrible.

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That was one of the worst Olympic decisions I've

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ever seen in my life. Maybe the worst. It was

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so bad, but it was in Korea, right? Yep, it was

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in Seoul, South Korea. And the Korean fighter,

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yeah. God damn, that was ridiculous. It was one

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of those fights where you're like, well, he got

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the gold medal. Clear. And then you see the decision,

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your jaw drops. You're like, what is this? It

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hurt the sport of boxing, especially amateur

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boxing. It hurt it because when you can take

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a kid 19 years old, he defeats his rival clearly

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and you rob him. It really eliminates the integrity

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of that sport. Yeah. And you still don't go back

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and fix it. Nobody to this day has come back

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and tried to fix it. They gave me Olympic orders.

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They gave me the. Val Walker Cup, which is for

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the best boxer at the Olympics. Well, that's

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a contradiction. That's a contradiction. How

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is the best boxer here not wearing a gold medal?

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Yeah. It was bad, but it also was... In one way,

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it made people really root for you. It was a

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blessing in disguise. And I understood that the

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second day, I think I might have cried the whole

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first day. Well, I didn't cry until after I went

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to the back and asked the interpreter to ask

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him if he really thought he beat me. Because

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if he said yes, then he didn't know it, but he

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was going to get another one. But he said, no,

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I know I didn't win, but it wasn't my fault.

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It was the judge's. I shook his hand, and I left.

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I never had another bad feeling towards him because

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he didn't do it. You feel me? You're right, for

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sure. You have to understand what is coming.

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But then I also realized that not only were the

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judges not necessarily, they are to be blamed,

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but what God did was take their negative. and

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turned into a positive for me. And look where

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I'm at now. It was a big talk. I remember when

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you began your career, there was a big talk of

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your career, how you got fucked over in the Olympics.

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It wasn't a question. Not at all. There was no

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debate. I never saw a single person that made

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an argument that he won. Nope. It was all you.

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And so that when you began your career, you had

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a lot of people rooting for you. Yes, and that

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was a beautiful thing. That's the blessing above

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all for me because to me, it was God's will making

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me not. put my life on idle, but turned me up

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on high. Yeah. I had no clue what he was doing,

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but that's why you just trust in God. Look where

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you at now. Yeah, I remember when you fought

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James Toney and that was a big fight because

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James Toney was in his prime and you were in

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your prime. And again, you caught him with that

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leaping left hook, man, that crazy left hook

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and dropped him. When you beat James Toney like

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that, I think a lot of people had to go, whoa,

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like he can do this to an elite top of the food

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chain world champion. That's what makes a real

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superior athlete. Not that you can do it to guys

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who are beneath you, but you can do it to guys

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who are supposed to be, You're equal or above

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you. That's when you're really doing it. Now,

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maybe people don't know, but you had been active

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and you fought up until about, what, like two

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years ago? 2018. So you decided you're done,

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or were you 100 % done, or were you just 100

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% done? 100%. Walk me through this call. How

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do you get this call to fight Mike Tyson? Well,

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one of his guys, Azeem, calls McGee and tells

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McGee, my partner, to tell me to call. So I call

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Azeem. Azeem says, hey, Mike wants to do a comeback.

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He wants to do an exhibition, but he wants you

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to be his dance partner. Me? Yeah. I said, okay,

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well, let's see if we can work out. He said,

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yeah, we've got a lot of different situations

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going on, but they want to do it in a different

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format, and they want to do it in a way that

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you and Michael are taken care of and everything

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is good. Well, that didn't try to be necessarily

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what the case was, but... Me being Roy Jones

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Jr. and us being in COVID, I'm like, you know

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what? Six weeks, that's right around the corner.

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He ain't been fighting. I can get ready. I'm

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pretty sure I can get a little bit more ready

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than he can because he's been inactive a lot

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longer than I have. So six weeks, I know it's

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Mike Tyson. He's big as heck, and he's still

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Mike Tyson, and he still can punch. But six weeks,

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there's no way he can get prepared for this.

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So I said, you know what? I'll take that, and

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I jumped on it. Lo and behold, something happens.

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And they changed. Now, why did they change? Did

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they give a reason? They said something about

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marketing. They told me something about marketing,

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but I don't really believe much of what was said.

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I mean, I just can't believe it. You know, because

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we had a September 12th date. That was before

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football season started. Basketball may have

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started, but people at home with nothing to do.

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And that's why I was like, you know what? I wanted

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him when I was in my prime. Why not take him

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now? I mean, six weeks, that's easy. And they

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said, well, we got more attention than we expected

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to get, and this happened and that happened,

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so we want to move it. I'm like, man. So I was

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thinking about it, and Dean, too, my guy, he

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posted something about the new date on my site.

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And when he did that, they were like, well, that

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means that you admitted, that you agreed to it.

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I didn't, but okay. That's how it goes. I'll

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be that guy, you know. I don't back out of nothing.

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It ain't like I'm scared of Mike Tyson because

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he's Mike Tyson. It's just that I know that in

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six weeks, he had no chance to deal with me.

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You understand me? In 12 weeks, well, he'll have

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a better chance to deal with me, but his chance

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is still going to be rough, but it's going to

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be better than it would have been in six weeks

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because six weeks. He didn't have a chance. Now,

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during the time where you were off, were you

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working out? Of course. Were you still staying

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fit? Because you always stayed slim. You looked

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good. I have to work out because I train a lot

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of guys. And when you train guys, for me, I like

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to not only just teach them, I like to also give

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them an example. The best example is the best

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that I think did what I'm teaching them. And

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I want to teach them what I learned and what

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my style was. So I like to be able to demonstrate

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by example, lead by example. So do you have young

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guys that fight in your style? They are trying

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to. It's hard to say they're fighting my style.

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And really, I don't really necessarily teach

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them to fight like me. My style is not necessarily

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just me. My style means that you know how to

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counter everything. You know offense, you know

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defense, you know footwork, you know everything.

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Every aspect of boxing is what my style is. Now,

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all the craziness, that's your individual person.

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Your DNA will decide what you do with that. What

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I do is... I try to make guys comfortable and

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to give them every opportunity to execute on

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another guy's mistakes. If I can make you do

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that and have you always prepare for the next

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move, then that's my style. Your style required

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extreme physical attributes, though. Well, physical

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attributes, it does require extreme attributes,

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but when you come and watch one of my classes,

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like I got a... apprentice over in sweden i got

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an apprentice over in south africa i got a few

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apprentices that i've been teaching i got one

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out in washington state and when i teach them

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they understand that yeah people blame it on

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athleticism but it's not all athleticism there's

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a lot more knowledge to it than people ever would

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begin to understand you understand me so yeah

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people say ah he was just a super athlete no

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take me back yeah i can go visually or verbally

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walk you through every knockout that i got and

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or every setup to the knockout before it happened

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sometimes rounds before it happened sometimes

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you want to have them quick i can tell you exactly

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what happened exactly what i saw and why i did

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what i did is that physical attributes no there's

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no way it could be just that it's impossible

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you gotta know a lot there's a lot of freak athletes

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of course of course you had freak athleticism

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as well as like an insane comprehensive understanding

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of boxing that's what that's what makes it great

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right yeah you gotta have a insane comprehension

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but what i do have the freak the freak the freakiness

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about me is my hand speed because how can i still

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be this fast at 51 years old I was watching you

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hit the pads. Holy cow. I'd be looking at it.

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I'd be saying, whoa, is that? Yeah. I mean. Double,

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triple, quadruple, left hands in a row. Pop,

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pop, pop, pop, pop. How? Yeah. It's crazy. We

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were just talking about that at 51. I know it's

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not 51 like in the day. No. Back in the day,

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51 was done. Oh, 51 was over with. It's different

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today with the new training methods and understanding

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of the human body and supplements. People are

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different. But you were always different, too.

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I always tell people, like, you had crazy biceps

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but small triceps. Like, you were built to throw

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hooks. Exactly. Like, if you look at your body

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when you were in your prime, you had these. Best

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hook in the game. No, it's still like this. Look

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at that thing. Look at the size of that thing.

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That's ridiculous. That's that hook. The right

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ain't like that, but that hook. That's true.

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Your left is way bigger than your right. That's

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crazy. That's why I say I'm the best hook in

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the game. Yeah, that's nuts, man. That's a serious

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imbalance right there. Now, when you train young

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guys, when you're showing them your style, do

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you try to get them left hook heavy the way you

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are? Or do you just let them do whatever their

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style is and just teach them what you know about

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boxing? I take whatever you got, whatever your

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best attributes are, and we work from there.

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I am not God. I cannot reinvent the wheel. You

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feel me? I can invent some stuff, but not the

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wheel. The wheel was already made like it is.

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You can't reinvent the wheel. So what I do is

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whatever God has given you, we try to take that

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and take that to the next level. Now, you get

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this phone call. Do you just immediately start

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training? And when you immediately start training,

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how are you ramping up for a fight like that?

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You know, it's like I heard Mike say something

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about when he started training, he was in the

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bed for a week. Yeah. I went in the bed for a

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week because I was going a lot already, but I

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was a sore person for a couple days. Did you,

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I mean, did it feel good to say, oh, wow, I got

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a big fight coming up. I got a goal. We're back.

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I was excited. yeah because it's mike tyson so

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it's like in most cases you'll say yes i got

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a big fight on on on on the road coming you know

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but this time i was like you know what Your buddy

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get in a little shape because you are going there

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with Mike Tyson. Yeah, it is Mike Tyson. You

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don't know what Mike Tyson might come in there

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and do. You don't know if you got to protect

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your ears, your chin, your jaw. You don't know

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what he might do. So what you better do is get

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in shape and be prepared for whatever Mike, whichever

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Mike shows up. Yeah, when I read that it was

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going to be an exhibition, they weren't going

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to try and knock each other out. I went. Get

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the fuck out of here. I mean, you think about

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it. Oh, it's an exhibition, but we got 12 -ounce

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gloves. But it's an exhibition. Exhibition. No

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headgear. Exhibition. Judges. I mean. It's still

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Mike Tyson. And exhibition. Mike Tyson, who knocked

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Corey Sanders down in the first round of an exhibition

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back in 2004. Correct. So what is your definition

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of an exhibition? Because going in the ring with

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Mike Tyson has nothing exhibitionist about it.

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No, he doesn't have that in him. When you watch

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him spar, his sparring was fights. Nothing exhibition

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-ish about it. Yeah, they were fights. His sparring

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was fights. Everything he does is a fight. Yeah.

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Now, you said that he was always kind of on your

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radar. He was. When you were the heavyweight

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champ, when you beat John Ruiz. He was the only

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other person I would have fought as a heavyweight.

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Really? Because he was the youngest heavyweight

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champ ever. And to be honest, I probably was

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the lightest. I started lighter than anybody

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that's only junior middleweight to ever go win

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a heavyweight title. So I was the smallest guy

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to ever come up and win a heavyweight title.

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How much did you weigh when you fought Ruiz?

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200. 200, wow. And so did you think when you

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were getting ready to fight, what do you walk

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around at right now? Now I'm heavier than I was

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then. Really? Yeah, now I walk around like 220

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sometimes. 220. I've been up to 220. So do you

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feel good at 220 or would you like to be lighter

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when you fight him? I'm at about 210 now. This

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is where I want to be at. Right there. Hands

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fast as ever. Still a lot of mobility. Not too

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much weight on these knees. So I feel pretty

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good at 210. So I think I'm going to stay around

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this area. That's not much different than him

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because when he was in his prime, he was about

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215. I mean, he was a light heavyweight. A lighter,

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rather, heavyweight. A light explosive heavyweight.

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Super. Super explosive heavyweight. So it's like

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size doesn't really matter with Mike. I mean,

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it mattered with Reese because I knew I was going

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to push a little bit in the hole. With Mike,

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size don't really matter. Now, when you decided

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to go up and fight Ruiz for the heavyweight title,

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did you think that was one and done? Or did you

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think, once I win that title, maybe I'll defend

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it a few times? Like, what was your thoughts

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getting ready for that fight? So, as you know

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me, I'm a man of my word. I try to be. And I

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said I wanted to go do what Bob Fitzsimmons did,

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but I was going to add a little bit to it because

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I was also super middleweight champion, which

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was a division that wasn't around when Bob Fitzsimmons

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did this in 1896. Well, what Bob Fitzsimmons

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did was he won the middleweight title, the light

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heavyweight title, the heavyweight title, and

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then he recaptured the light heavyweight title.

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That's a big segment of the whole thing, recapturing

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the light heavyweight title. So if I go up and

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do what I did, win the heavyweight title, and

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don't recapture the light heavyweight title,

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I can't look you in your eyes and say I did what

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Bob Fitzsimmons did because I didn't. I did a

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part of what he did, but the hardest part is

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to come back from heavyweight, and recapture

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that light heavyweight title. That's why I came

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back and did it. But before I departed the heavyweight

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division, I would have fought Mike Tyson because

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of what I told you earlier. He was the youngest

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heavyweight champ of all time. To me, he was

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one of the most explosive, entertaining guys

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you want to see because you never know what he's

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going to do. And it's the same reason I'm going

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in with him right now because he's explosive,

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entertaining, and you never know what he's going

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to do. I mean, both of you were in that Nas song.

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You know that song? Yeah. The new Mike Tyson's

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Roy Jones, and that's a line. Exactly. Yeah,

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I mean, very similar in that regard that you

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both were so dominant over your divisions when

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you were in your prime that those fights were

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like executions. Of course. Why didn't that fight

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take place back then? Because nobody ever saw

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me coming to heavyweight back then. And by the

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time I did it, he was already on the way out

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of boxing. He already had departed. So people

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say... I think they say someone told them that

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I was offered $40 million to fight Mike Tyson.

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No, I wasn't. If I was offered $40 million, we'd

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been fighting. I mean, I tell people today, like,

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they always talk about, you know, what's going

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on with the zone and all these fighters. Listen,

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man, if I was in today's time and I was Roy Jones,

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the same Roy Jones I am, if they told me, Roy,

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we'll pay you $20 million per fight for five

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fights, we get to pick the opponents. I say,

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matter of fact. Don't even worry about picking

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an opponent. Y 'all call me, tell me what date

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I'm fighting, what weight I'm fighting at, and

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I don't care who it is. Just tell me when I'm

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fighting and what weight I need to be. I believe

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it. You understand me? That's who I am. So it's

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like when they talk about I would have fought,

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no. If they would have offered me for me to fight,

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if Mike would have just said, yeah, I would have

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fought him for whatever we fought for. That's

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how bad I wanted to fight him back then. People

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love to talk, though. Yeah. They just say a lot

00:19:56.349 --> 00:19:58.309
of stupid shit that doesn't make sense. But that's

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just. people need something to talk about. Well,

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I know, but I'm just saying, I'd be wanting to

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clear it up because I was not offered money to

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fight Mike back then. If I would have been, if

00:20:05.740 --> 00:20:07.079
I would have, I would have fought Mike back then.

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I wanted to fight Mike. He's the only other heavyweight

00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:10.680
I would have fought. But I was like, no, I'm

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not giving y 'all the opportunity. First of all,

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I'm a small guy coming up to the heavyweight

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division. I don't belong up here anyway. I just

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wanted to do what Bob Fitzsimmons did and prove

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I could do it or see if I could do it because

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Sugar Ray Robinson tried to go win a light heavyweight

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title and he passed out. So he didn't win it.

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So, of course, we always want to try or challenge

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ourselves. I want to see what the Scott, what

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the Ruth feels. Can I win the heavyweight title?

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Am I really that good, as good as I think I am?

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Maybe I am. Let's find out. Now, how difficult

00:20:38.470 --> 00:20:40.829
was it to get from 200 pounds to go all the way

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back down to 175? That was the hardest thing

00:20:43.170 --> 00:20:46.700
I ever did in my life. 25 pounds of muscle. Yeah.

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Put on by Maggie Shieldstone. That's the difference.

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Because if you look at you when you fought Ruiz,

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there was nothing to be lost. 25 pounds of pure

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muscle. So that first fight, I went on pure heart.

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With Tarver. Yeah. Pure heart. That's when people,

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and I had people even text me and call me and

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tell me, you know, I was a fan. I liked you.

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But I like you a whole lot more now because I

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realize what you really are. I never knew you

00:21:14.799 --> 00:21:17.779
had that big of a heart. that was a big transition

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for you i mean and maybe a bad transition to

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go from heavyweight down to light heavyweight

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again because you could see physically you weren't

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the same because of that weight cut you were

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struggling and that was the talk of all the commentators

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they were like what is what is happening to his

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body that he's going from 200 pounds ripped down

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to 175 and then competing. I mean, you must have

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cut an extreme amount of weight for the weight.

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And was this the day before weigh -ins or the

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day of weigh -ins? It was the day before, but

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it didn't matter because I had pulled so much

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muscle off. So you can't put that back. Right.

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You know what I mean? So I couldn't put that

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back. But what's so ironic about that is that

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as weak as I was, he still couldn't get me out

00:22:00.549 --> 00:22:02.849
because my mind said I got to do what Bob Fitzsimmons

00:22:02.849 --> 00:22:05.400
said. Did, I mean. So because my mind was locked

00:22:05.400 --> 00:22:07.339
on something, you can't get me out of there.

00:22:07.559 --> 00:22:09.880
My mind locked in. I was weak as I probably ever

00:22:09.880 --> 00:22:12.359
have been. My mind said, no, we're going to forget

00:22:12.359 --> 00:22:15.099
this. And I got there. And then you went and

00:22:15.099 --> 00:22:17.059
fought him again. Yeah, I probably shouldn't

00:22:17.059 --> 00:22:18.500
have because, like I said, my body hadn't came

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back yet. And I didn't have nothing mentally

00:22:21.220 --> 00:22:22.619
to get there. I was just doing it because people

00:22:22.619 --> 00:22:24.000
say, well, he gave you a hard time. Okay, well,

00:22:24.099 --> 00:22:26.630
I ain't scared to fight nobody. So y 'all want

00:22:26.630 --> 00:22:28.569
me to fight him again? Sure, why not? But I had

00:22:28.569 --> 00:22:30.529
nothing to gain, so it was a little bit harder.

00:22:30.569 --> 00:22:32.569
So he closed his eyes, got lucky. It's called

00:22:32.569 --> 00:22:35.230
good, but, I mean, hey, it's boxing, you know?

00:22:36.269 --> 00:22:38.849
For me, though, that first win was one of the

00:22:38.849 --> 00:22:40.990
most impressive wins of my career because it's

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the first time I ever had to win a fight with

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strictly my heart. Because your body just wasn't

00:22:45.450 --> 00:22:47.450
performing right. Body wasn't there. Now, when

00:22:47.450 --> 00:22:49.490
you were walking around after the Ruiz fight,

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what did you weigh when you started cutting down

00:22:52.569 --> 00:22:56.059
for the Tarver fight? 203. 203 and how did you

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do it like what what did what kind of were you

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doing crazy cardio like what were you doing to

00:23:00.420 --> 00:23:02.319
try to lose all that weight crazy cardio is the

00:23:02.319 --> 00:23:04.920
only way i ever did it only way i ever did it

00:23:04.920 --> 00:23:08.579
i run two sometimes three times a day to get

00:23:08.579 --> 00:23:10.400
the weight down yep that's the only way i ever

00:23:10.400 --> 00:23:16.000
lost rubber suits the whole time god damn what

00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:18.480
kind of a impact must that have had on your body

00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:21.119
well that's what people I fail to realize now

00:23:21.119 --> 00:23:22.740
I hear kids talk about, oh, we couldn't make

00:23:22.740 --> 00:23:25.539
weight. Man, don't tell me that. I'm from the

00:23:25.539 --> 00:23:27.220
old school. Don't tell me none of this new school

00:23:27.220 --> 00:23:29.299
stuff. You couldn't lose a pound? Don't tell

00:23:29.299 --> 00:23:31.839
me that. Man, when I was an amateur, when I was

00:23:31.839 --> 00:23:34.400
an amateur, my dad made me go down to 147 for

00:23:34.400 --> 00:23:37.500
the Eastern Olympic trials. I fought that night.

00:23:37.579 --> 00:23:41.299
I made 147. I fought that night. I got out to

00:23:41.299 --> 00:23:45.420
fight. I went and got on the scale. I was 165

00:23:45.420 --> 00:23:48.859
pounds. I had to fight the next day. At 147.

00:23:48.920 --> 00:23:50.779
I had to make weight that next morning. Wait

00:23:50.779 --> 00:23:56.400
a minute. Ran all night. 730 the next morning,

00:23:56.480 --> 00:24:01.480
I got all the way down to 148 and a half. And

00:24:01.480 --> 00:24:03.799
I said, I can't go no more. My dad's like, why

00:24:03.799 --> 00:24:05.079
you can't lose more? You can lose another pound.

00:24:05.180 --> 00:24:08.380
No, pound and a half. I said, no, because it

00:24:08.380 --> 00:24:10.099
hit me. And it was God talking to me. I knew

00:24:10.099 --> 00:24:12.240
it was God talking to me. How you going to do

00:24:12.240 --> 00:24:14.470
this every night? In an unfamiliar country, you

00:24:14.470 --> 00:24:16.130
don't know if it's going to be cold. You don't

00:24:16.130 --> 00:24:17.490
know if it's going to rain. You're not going

00:24:17.490 --> 00:24:19.869
to know where to go run at. You might not even

00:24:19.869 --> 00:24:21.569
be allowed to go out and run in the area you

00:24:21.569 --> 00:24:23.509
are. So if you make the Olympics at this weight,

00:24:23.650 --> 00:24:24.869
how are you going to make weight every night?

00:24:24.990 --> 00:24:31.170
You went from 147 to 165. Yeah, that's a big

00:24:31.170 --> 00:24:35.210
jump. Then back down to 148 and a half. And you

00:24:35.210 --> 00:24:37.130
tell me y 'all can't lose a pound or two pounds?

00:24:37.630 --> 00:24:40.130
Get out of here with that, bro. So was that when

00:24:40.130 --> 00:24:42.710
you made a decision to go up? Yeah, I was already

00:24:42.710 --> 00:24:44.910
up, but he made me come down. Then I went back

00:24:44.910 --> 00:24:47.549
up. How old were you then? 17. Oh, so your body's

00:24:47.549 --> 00:24:49.430
just starting to get thick, too. 18, 18. You're

00:24:49.430 --> 00:24:52.930
filling out. 18, yeah. That's, yeah. I think

00:24:52.930 --> 00:24:55.589
one of the big problems with MMA as opposed to

00:24:55.589 --> 00:24:57.450
boxing is there's a very limited number of weight

00:24:57.450 --> 00:24:59.390
classes. Yes. And I think there's a lot of fighters

00:24:59.390 --> 00:25:01.950
that ruin their body cutting too much weight

00:25:01.950 --> 00:25:04.630
and going down. And you hear about these guys,

00:25:04.730 --> 00:25:06.890
sometimes they get so dehydrated they pass out.

00:25:07.320 --> 00:25:10.259
I had that happen to me before. So I understand

00:25:10.259 --> 00:25:12.839
it. I know how it goes. But there's a science

00:25:12.839 --> 00:25:14.759
to it, and there's a limit that you should do

00:25:14.759 --> 00:25:17.420
it to, but you got to know the science and know

00:25:17.420 --> 00:25:19.720
the limit to how far you can go. If you don't

00:25:19.720 --> 00:25:22.940
ration that out, then it's bad for you. Yeah,

00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:25.000
there's a lot of guys that are very good at it,

00:25:25.039 --> 00:25:27.380
but ultimately the damage that it does, particularly

00:25:27.380 --> 00:25:30.400
to your kidneys, it's just not worth it. I wish

00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:33.099
MMA had more weight classes. I don't know if

00:25:33.099 --> 00:25:35.630
boxing. Is the right number? Because there's

00:25:35.630 --> 00:25:38.950
a lot in boxing. Sometimes it's like 47, 54,

00:25:39.210 --> 00:25:43.710
60, 68. There's so many weight classes. But there's

00:25:43.710 --> 00:25:45.910
a good argument that that's better. And when

00:25:45.910 --> 00:25:48.170
you look at boxing, there's so many super fights

00:25:48.170 --> 00:25:49.769
that can be had too because there's champions

00:25:49.769 --> 00:25:51.769
that are so close to each other. There's just

00:25:51.769 --> 00:25:53.630
a few pounds here or there. It's better because

00:25:53.630 --> 00:25:55.569
it gives a lot more people the opportunity to

00:25:55.569 --> 00:25:58.670
become world champions. But at the same time,

00:25:58.730 --> 00:26:00.890
like you said, they cut it back down to eight

00:26:00.890 --> 00:26:04.390
weight classes. Only the strong will survive,

00:26:04.650 --> 00:26:07.930
baby. We got to go. We'll cut out some of these

00:26:07.930 --> 00:26:10.309
paper champions. They get cut out real quick.

00:26:10.509 --> 00:26:11.809
So do you think it would be better that way?

00:26:11.890 --> 00:26:13.670
I know it would be that way. Look, look, look,

00:26:13.670 --> 00:26:16.390
look, look. I want a title from, I mean, I fought

00:26:16.390 --> 00:26:18.809
from junior middleweight to heavyweight. All

00:26:18.809 --> 00:26:20.289
the reason I didn't win a title at junior middleweight

00:26:20.289 --> 00:26:21.650
is because my daddy wouldn't let me fight for

00:26:21.650 --> 00:26:23.509
one. And I knew I was going to outgrow the weight

00:26:23.509 --> 00:26:25.970
class. So I told him I wanted to fight Gio Franco

00:26:25.970 --> 00:26:29.029
Rossi early because if I can fight Rossi now,

00:26:29.230 --> 00:26:30.930
vacate the title because I ain't going to be

00:26:30.930 --> 00:26:33.430
able to stay at this weight no way. And he didn't

00:26:33.430 --> 00:26:35.069
let me do it, but I would have had titles from

00:26:35.069 --> 00:26:39.490
54 all the way to heavyweight. Wow. That would

00:26:39.490 --> 00:26:43.849
have been unprecedented. Of course. What made

00:26:43.849 --> 00:26:47.089
you go from 68 to 75? I ran out of competition.

00:26:47.549 --> 00:26:49.369
I always just went to wherever the competition

00:26:49.369 --> 00:26:53.410
was. So after I beat James, I fought Paz Jones,

00:26:53.509 --> 00:26:58.109
I think. Then they started giving me the, God

00:26:58.109 --> 00:27:01.509
bless the day, but Tony Thornton's. No more contenders

00:27:01.509 --> 00:27:03.690
that really the world didn't know. So I wanted

00:27:03.690 --> 00:27:05.069
to go up and fight somebody that the world knew,

00:27:05.170 --> 00:27:07.529
which was like a Virgil Hill type guy, Reggie

00:27:07.529 --> 00:27:10.049
Johnson type guy. So I went to set in fire Lou

00:27:10.049 --> 00:27:12.150
DelVal. I went to set in fire to make bigger,

00:27:12.150 --> 00:27:14.470
better fights. Those guys were all bigger than

00:27:14.470 --> 00:27:17.589
me too. But I went wherever I had to go to make

00:27:17.589 --> 00:27:21.349
fights. So it's like people often, I mean, there's

00:27:21.349 --> 00:27:24.630
a guy, the guy that used to coach Triple G, I

00:27:24.630 --> 00:27:27.369
can't think of his name, Abel Sanchez. I said,

00:27:27.430 --> 00:27:29.390
Triple G should have went up a long time ago.

00:27:29.869 --> 00:27:32.930
And tried Andre Ward. He's only 8 pounds. Right.

00:27:33.130 --> 00:27:35.190
But Abel Sanchez says, oh, he's too little to

00:27:35.190 --> 00:27:38.089
do that. Well, he's fighting 68 now. Yeah. You

00:27:38.089 --> 00:27:39.869
understand me? Canelo went all the way from 54

00:27:39.869 --> 00:27:43.190
to 75. So how you tell me he's too little? Then

00:27:43.190 --> 00:27:45.190
you say, oh, you did it against a bomb. Mike

00:27:45.190 --> 00:27:48.329
McCallum, a bomb, ever. Gave James Toney two

00:27:48.329 --> 00:27:49.990
of the hardest fights of James Toney's career

00:27:49.990 --> 00:27:53.470
before me. And Montel Griffin did it. Knocked

00:27:53.470 --> 00:27:55.470
out Milton McCrory. You feel me? So you tell

00:27:55.470 --> 00:27:57.500
me he was a bomb? But I fight him and say, oh,

00:27:57.519 --> 00:27:59.039
he's a little bit older, but like you said, look

00:27:59.039 --> 00:28:01.160
at us now. Oh, he knocked out Donald Curry. Donald

00:28:01.160 --> 00:28:03.480
Curry. Yeah, that Donald Curry knockout made

00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:06.480
me so sad. I was a giant Donald Curry fan, and

00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:08.819
I was rooting for him. I got my shoes on. I'm

00:28:08.819 --> 00:28:11.319
running. I ran like three miles, and I came home,

00:28:11.380 --> 00:28:13.200
and I said, I am never investing that much in

00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:15.759
a fighter again. Because it was like I lost.

00:28:16.079 --> 00:28:17.480
Because I remember he caught him with that left

00:28:17.480 --> 00:28:19.140
hook to the body and then the left to the chin.

00:28:19.240 --> 00:28:22.019
And I went, oh, no. And seeing Donald laid out

00:28:22.019 --> 00:28:24.880
on the canvas, I was like, fuck. Because when

00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:27.609
Donald knocked, out mccrory when when donald

00:28:27.609 --> 00:28:29.670
knocked out uh milton mccrory i remember thinking

00:28:29.670 --> 00:28:33.250
like damn like he's so fast yes you know he was

00:28:33.250 --> 00:28:35.950
so he was the cobra you know the cobra he was

00:28:35.950 --> 00:28:39.089
so fast and then when he got ko'd like that i

00:28:39.089 --> 00:28:41.470
was like i can't believe this is happening i

00:28:41.470 --> 00:28:44.470
had to go running i know it was bad but for for

00:28:44.470 --> 00:28:47.789
able to say i fought a bomb no crazy i mean so

00:28:47.789 --> 00:28:50.450
it was an animal yeah to me you you trying to

00:28:50.450 --> 00:28:53.390
no You fought Hopkins. You fought animals. But

00:28:53.390 --> 00:28:54.670
you're covering up for what you're not doing.

00:28:54.809 --> 00:28:56.250
Because if Triple G was good, we'd say, yeah,

00:28:56.289 --> 00:28:58.269
what's one more weight class? Canelo came to

00:28:58.269 --> 00:29:00.410
him. I mean, to me, you cheated Triple G out

00:29:00.410 --> 00:29:03.089
of opportunity. Yeah. If he'd won, he'd become

00:29:03.089 --> 00:29:05.049
one of the Powerful Pound. You can't say John

00:29:05.049 --> 00:29:06.509
Ruiz is the greatest heavyweight of all time.

00:29:06.509 --> 00:29:09.089
No, you can't. But he was no bum. No, he wasn't.

00:29:09.109 --> 00:29:11.609
He beat Holyfield. Yeah, exactly. Knocked Holyfield

00:29:11.609 --> 00:29:13.069
down with the right hand. Exactly. And with two

00:29:13.069 --> 00:29:15.109
or three people, he knocked Holyfield down. Right,

00:29:15.109 --> 00:29:16.950
yeah. He was one of them. He was a tough guy.

00:29:17.049 --> 00:29:19.390
Of course he was. Very tough guy. It's just...

00:29:19.519 --> 00:29:22.319
You had the style to beat him. He just couldn't

00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:24.839
compete with your speed and your fluidity and

00:29:24.839 --> 00:29:27.359
your understanding of distance. You just controlled

00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:31.619
that fight. I try to teach guys every aspect

00:29:31.619 --> 00:29:34.359
of boxing so that you understand. Some guys,

00:29:34.460 --> 00:29:36.160
because you're tall, you're going to have to

00:29:36.160 --> 00:29:39.380
fight close. Sometimes. Because there are guys

00:29:39.380 --> 00:29:41.460
that realize you're tall and they know they got

00:29:41.460 --> 00:29:42.940
to get close for you to win. That's their best

00:29:42.940 --> 00:29:44.839
opportunity. Hagler -Hearns. So you got to get

00:29:44.839 --> 00:29:47.470
close. Look what Hagler did. Yeah. Took him out.

00:29:47.529 --> 00:29:49.589
But Hearns was trying. Hearns was trying because

00:29:49.589 --> 00:29:51.549
Hearns knows how to fight close, too. Just that

00:29:51.549 --> 00:29:53.569
he's not in condition to fight close for a long

00:29:53.569 --> 00:29:55.990
time because that's not what he trains at doing.

00:29:56.230 --> 00:29:59.049
Well, Hagler had a ridiculous chin, too. It was

00:29:59.049 --> 00:30:02.849
ridiculous. Ran it. Ridiculous. Ran it. It was

00:30:02.849 --> 00:30:04.890
one guy knocked him down, but it was a bullshit

00:30:04.890 --> 00:30:07.730
knockdown. His entire career. Who was it that

00:30:07.730 --> 00:30:09.190
knocked him down? I'm trying to remember the

00:30:09.190 --> 00:30:11.789
name. I don't even remember who knocked him down.

00:30:11.789 --> 00:30:15.240
I don't remember the dude. Juan Roldan? Was it

00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:16.799
Domingo? Juan Domingo rolled in? It might have

00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:18.359
been Juan rolled in. Yeah, it might have been

00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:18.859
Juan rolled in. He might have knocked him down,

00:30:18.940 --> 00:30:20.500
and then Hagler eventually stopped him. Yeah.

00:30:20.660 --> 00:30:22.960
You know what? I heard the Elementor passed,

00:30:23.180 --> 00:30:27.259
too. Oh, did he? Yeah. I was saddened to hear

00:30:27.259 --> 00:30:29.660
that because those days were the real days of

00:30:29.660 --> 00:30:32.140
boxing. Oh, yeah. Almost one champion, maybe

00:30:32.140 --> 00:30:34.359
two, but mostly one champion. You knew who the

00:30:34.359 --> 00:30:37.240
champ was at every weight class. I remember when

00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:40.500
they started adding IBF and WBO. How many champs

00:30:40.500 --> 00:30:42.119
are you going to have? Well, see, my point, though,

00:30:42.180 --> 00:30:44.119
is here's my problem with that. I don't have

00:30:44.119 --> 00:30:46.079
a problem with you having more champs, but why

00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:48.799
not make every champ have to fight one another

00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:51.099
to find out who is the champ? When I was a light

00:30:51.099 --> 00:30:55.019
heavyweight, I had seven of the eight known available

00:30:55.019 --> 00:30:56.640
belts. And the only reason I didn't have the

00:30:56.640 --> 00:30:58.960
eighth one is because I wasn't going to Germany

00:30:58.960 --> 00:31:02.140
to take all my seven belts for that one belt,

00:31:02.220 --> 00:31:04.519
and they may rob me because I got robbed in Seoul,

00:31:04.519 --> 00:31:07.200
Korea. So I learned my lesson. I can't go way

00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:09.079
over there to fight Darius, and I'm the man right

00:31:09.079 --> 00:31:11.829
now. He needs to come see me. If you're offering

00:31:11.829 --> 00:31:13.950
5 million to come see me, he turned it down.

00:31:14.109 --> 00:31:16.490
So what does that tell you? He don't want this

00:31:16.490 --> 00:31:22.829
smoke. But if I could have got it, if I could

00:31:22.829 --> 00:31:24.549
have got it, I'd have had every belt at Light

00:31:24.549 --> 00:31:26.869
Heavyweight because that's who I am. So I feel

00:31:26.869 --> 00:31:30.450
like any fighter that is aspiring to be champ

00:31:30.450 --> 00:31:32.630
or is champ. If you don't want every belt in

00:31:32.630 --> 00:31:34.589
your weight class, you don't thank you the best.

00:31:34.849 --> 00:31:36.890
Yeah, it should be, if you're calling someone

00:31:36.890 --> 00:31:39.470
a world champion, they really should fight the

00:31:39.470 --> 00:31:40.869
other world champions. If you're going to have

00:31:40.869 --> 00:31:44.130
a bunch of different sanctioning bodies, if they're

00:31:44.130 --> 00:31:45.690
available, they should have to fight each other.

00:31:45.710 --> 00:31:48.470
Every year, the East play the West in the NBA.

00:31:49.019 --> 00:31:52.000
for the championship. Every year, the AFC played

00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:56.420
NFC in football. Every year, the American League

00:31:56.420 --> 00:31:59.259
plays the National League. Every year. So it's

00:31:59.259 --> 00:32:01.059
like, come on, baby. At some point, we got to

00:32:01.059 --> 00:32:03.660
prove that somewhere, y 'all got to show me who

00:32:03.660 --> 00:32:05.759
the real man is. Yes. And that's what I wanted

00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:08.779
to do. That's why I had seven that I knew of.

00:32:08.900 --> 00:32:10.279
And I didn't care what they were. You could have

00:32:10.279 --> 00:32:12.519
put any letter on them. If they were known belts,

00:32:12.700 --> 00:32:14.339
if you can call me and tell me y 'all got a president,

00:32:14.519 --> 00:32:21.740
I need that belt. Yeah, it was simpler times

00:32:21.740 --> 00:32:23.599
back in the day. For me it was. When there was

00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:26.240
one champion in each weight class. But you got

00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:28.440
to also understand that a lot of this stuff happens

00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:31.240
because of promoters. So because I was doing

00:32:31.240 --> 00:32:32.839
my own thing, I could do what I wanted to do

00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:34.480
when I got ready. That's why I used to tell them,

00:32:34.500 --> 00:32:36.769
y 'all can call me. It ain't hard to get a fight

00:32:36.769 --> 00:32:39.069
with Roy Jones. You just call me. Either call

00:32:39.069 --> 00:32:40.869
me or get a belt. I don't care what belt it is.

00:32:40.970 --> 00:32:43.789
It could be the National Walmart belt. If it's

00:32:43.789 --> 00:32:48.009
light heavy, I want that. When you go back to

00:32:48.009 --> 00:32:50.069
the Hagler days, how many belts were there? It

00:32:50.069 --> 00:32:52.309
was only one or two then. WBA and WBC, right?

00:32:52.309 --> 00:32:54.599
WBA and WBC, I think, yeah. You know what I watched

00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:57.140
the other day? Hagler versus Mugabe. That was

00:32:57.140 --> 00:33:00.839
a good fight. Mugabe was killing people back

00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:02.380
then. Yes, he would, but Hagler wasn't having

00:33:02.380 --> 00:33:04.259
it. There's a time in the fight where he hits

00:33:04.259 --> 00:33:06.619
Hagler with an uppercut, snaps Hagler's head

00:33:06.619 --> 00:33:09.319
back, and Hagler just right back at him. Right

00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:11.000
back at him. Like it was nothing. Like it didn't

00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:13.980
even work. Hagler was in my dynamite dozen that

00:33:13.980 --> 00:33:16.700
I learned things from as a kid. And what I learned

00:33:16.700 --> 00:33:19.660
from Hagler was consistency. He wore the same

00:33:19.660 --> 00:33:21.980
maroon and white trunks, and he was the same

00:33:21.980 --> 00:33:24.609
Marvin Hagler. Every time he saw him. Yep, yep.

00:33:24.809 --> 00:33:26.549
If you fought Hagler, guess what you're going

00:33:26.549 --> 00:33:30.710
to get? Hagler. Yep. Yeah, he was so disciplined

00:33:30.710 --> 00:33:34.470
too. So disciplined. Yes. I think he was training

00:33:34.470 --> 00:33:36.509
for Mustafa Hampshire. I forget who he was training

00:33:36.509 --> 00:33:38.190
for, but it was when I was a kid. I was living

00:33:38.190 --> 00:33:40.970
in Boston, and I was watching this thing they

00:33:40.970 --> 00:33:43.430
had on the news where Hagler was running down

00:33:43.430 --> 00:33:46.130
the Cape, Cape Cod, in the wintertime, running

00:33:46.130 --> 00:33:49.869
the sand dudes, screaming war. And I got chills.

00:33:50.130 --> 00:33:52.369
I got goosebumps just watching, like, just the

00:33:52.369 --> 00:33:55.670
discipline that man had. He was never out of

00:33:55.670 --> 00:33:57.630
shape. He psyched himself out the whole training

00:33:57.630 --> 00:34:00.680
camp. Oh, yeah. Every day. Every day. Every day.

00:34:01.140 --> 00:34:06.279
What a mind he had. I mean, he just was so fierce

00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:10.539
as a champion. But once again, see, what I liked

00:34:10.539 --> 00:34:12.900
about people like Marvin, he was so consistent

00:34:12.900 --> 00:34:16.639
that not one time did he not make weight. Right.

00:34:16.739 --> 00:34:19.280
He wasn't going up to meet you. He wasn't going

00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:22.380
down to meet you. Right. Meet him at 160, he'll

00:34:22.380 --> 00:34:23.980
fight him. I don't care what your name is. Yep.

00:34:24.260 --> 00:34:28.039
160, come on. Yeah. And I love the fact that

00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:31.559
when he fought, sugar ray and i kind of gave

00:34:31.559 --> 00:34:33.360
it to him i mean i'd have to watch it at the

00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:35.900
i'd have to watch it again now as an adult but

00:34:35.900 --> 00:34:37.440
i remember when i watched it back then i thought

00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:40.000
he won the fight and he just said that's it i'm

00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:42.630
done Never came back. Went to Italy. Started

00:34:42.630 --> 00:34:44.369
making movies. You ever watch some of those movies?

00:34:44.489 --> 00:34:45.769
I ain't never watched them, but I see him every

00:34:45.769 --> 00:34:47.570
now and then. They're hilarious. He's still in

00:34:47.570 --> 00:34:49.130
good shape. He looks really good still. I'm sure.

00:34:49.309 --> 00:34:53.050
He talks great. I mean, he has no problems at

00:34:53.050 --> 00:34:55.570
all, which is amazing. It's beautiful to see

00:34:55.570 --> 00:34:58.269
someone get out clean. Of course. And have a

00:34:58.269 --> 00:35:01.510
new life after. Yes, yes. But for me, for Marvin,

00:35:01.690 --> 00:35:03.929
I thought that fight, after I looked at it as

00:35:03.929 --> 00:35:06.110
an adult too, I thought the fight should have

00:35:06.110 --> 00:35:11.010
been called a draw at least, or at best. I understood

00:35:11.010 --> 00:35:13.429
why Sugar won it, because Sugar painted a picture

00:35:13.429 --> 00:35:15.829
before the fight that I'm not even supposed to

00:35:15.829 --> 00:35:17.469
be in here. Right, right. You understand me?

00:35:17.510 --> 00:35:20.250
So anything he did, he's going to get two points

00:35:20.250 --> 00:35:22.650
for it, whereas Hagel was going to get one. Yeah.

00:35:22.750 --> 00:35:24.730
Because Sugar painted a picture to the public

00:35:24.730 --> 00:35:26.929
that I'm not even supposed to be in here with

00:35:26.929 --> 00:35:29.429
this monster. It's always a problem judging underdogs,

00:35:29.489 --> 00:35:31.610
right? You feel me? So that's why. And the fans,

00:35:31.889 --> 00:35:34.190
he also knows how to play with the crowd. Yeah.

00:35:34.230 --> 00:35:37.599
So Sugar used his brain. And got the decision

00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:39.719
that night. But if you look at the actuality

00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:42.980
of the fight, it either was a draw or you probably

00:35:42.980 --> 00:35:45.119
could have gave it to Hagler because he was champ.

00:35:45.460 --> 00:35:47.820
But I would have said, looking at it as an adult,

00:35:47.940 --> 00:35:50.619
I would have probably scored a draw. But both

00:35:50.619 --> 00:35:53.039
of them put on an immaculate fight that night.

00:35:53.179 --> 00:35:56.099
It was a beautiful fight for me because Sugar

00:35:56.099 --> 00:35:58.179
came back and, like I said, he painted that picture

00:35:58.179 --> 00:36:01.099
like I shouldn't even be in here. And he was

00:36:01.099 --> 00:36:04.079
really phenomenal for where he had been all five

00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:07.340
years. So he made it look like I'm defeating

00:36:07.340 --> 00:36:10.239
the odds. And everything he did, he did it to

00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:13.380
such a high level that it made it look like he

00:36:13.380 --> 00:36:15.179
did defeat the odds. When you were coming up,

00:36:15.179 --> 00:36:18.500
did you watch a lot of films of the greats? Well,

00:36:18.559 --> 00:36:20.920
I only watched a few guys. And I can tell you

00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:23.699
a lot of the guys I watched. One was, I used

00:36:23.699 --> 00:36:26.539
to watch Salvador Sanchez every opportunity I

00:36:26.539 --> 00:36:28.679
got. Because to me, he was the best offensive

00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:31.360
-minded guy of all. What a tragedy that guy died

00:36:31.360 --> 00:36:34.010
so young. Yes, because my... Dream fight. This

00:36:34.010 --> 00:36:36.550
is why I get so pissed off about fights not happening.

00:36:36.650 --> 00:36:40.010
Like right now, I'm mad because Crawford and

00:36:40.010 --> 00:36:41.809
Spence aren't getting the opportunity to fight

00:36:41.809 --> 00:36:44.730
one another. One of my dream fights was Isibio

00:36:44.730 --> 00:36:48.329
Pedroza versus Salvador Sanchez. Both of the

00:36:48.329 --> 00:36:49.769
featherweight champions. One of the two champs

00:36:49.769 --> 00:36:51.889
back then. The two featherweight champs. The

00:36:51.889 --> 00:36:54.550
best at the division. I want to see them lock

00:36:54.550 --> 00:36:56.590
up. See who wins that because I love both of

00:36:56.590 --> 00:36:59.579
them. I love Pedroza because of his... uh bolo

00:36:59.579 --> 00:37:01.960
punches and because of his knowledge inside he

00:37:01.960 --> 00:37:04.420
was real smart but dirty guy inside the ring

00:37:04.420 --> 00:37:07.300
right but salvador has so much offense that i

00:37:07.300 --> 00:37:09.519
wanted to know how was he going to keep salvador

00:37:09.519 --> 00:37:12.099
off of him with the offense yeah and uh then

00:37:12.099 --> 00:37:14.320
salvador unfortunately was killed in the car

00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:17.619
wreck and that that that just blew my mega fight

00:37:17.619 --> 00:37:20.519
away that was my mega fight probably besides

00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:23.679
hers leonard that was my other mega mega mega

00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:26.170
fight to me to me The original Hearns letter

00:37:26.170 --> 00:37:29.329
is an all -time classic. Just an all -time. When

00:37:29.329 --> 00:37:31.329
Angelo Dundee's in the corner. You're blowing

00:37:31.329 --> 00:37:33.869
it, champ. You're blowing it, kid. And he goes

00:37:33.869 --> 00:37:36.869
out and wins and stops him. Goddamn. That was

00:37:36.869 --> 00:37:39.769
epic. Woo. That was epic. Especially because

00:37:39.769 --> 00:37:43.510
Hearns at 147 could hit people and knock them

00:37:43.510 --> 00:37:45.690
into another fucking dimension. Wasn't that odd

00:37:45.690 --> 00:37:48.250
to Hearns' credit? He could do that at 168. Yeah,

00:37:48.250 --> 00:37:50.130
he did it. Remember when he did it to Duran?

00:37:50.409 --> 00:37:53.010
Yes. He did it to Duran. Only person ever to

00:37:53.010 --> 00:37:55.239
do it to Roberto Duran. Yeah. The only other

00:37:55.239 --> 00:37:57.019
person I think knocked Durant down was Esteban

00:37:57.019 --> 00:37:59.639
De Jesus. He face -planted Durant. I'm talking

00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:02.980
about cold. Cold. He had that snap because he

00:38:02.980 --> 00:38:06.159
had that wide torso. Wide shoulders. Thin waist.

00:38:06.199 --> 00:38:08.900
Yes, sir. He would torque that punch. Yes, sir.

00:38:08.940 --> 00:38:11.519
Smack. But to show you how much mental it is,

00:38:11.659 --> 00:38:13.480
Sugar Ray would take that punch like nobody else.

00:38:13.639 --> 00:38:15.940
Yeah. Except in the second fight, I think. He

00:38:15.940 --> 00:38:17.400
dropped Sugar Ray a few times in the second fight.

00:38:17.539 --> 00:38:19.500
But the first fight, Sugar Ray took all of it.

00:38:19.619 --> 00:38:22.179
He took it, yeah. Because they had such a beef.

00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:26.139
That was his rival. Yeah, well, he had known

00:38:26.139 --> 00:38:28.900
that this was the fight that he had to win for

00:38:28.900 --> 00:38:32.280
greatness. There was so much. I mean, it's hard

00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:35.139
for people to imagine how big Sugar Ray Leonard

00:38:35.139 --> 00:38:39.079
was. People don't know the sport of boxing. When

00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:41.960
he was the Olympic champion and he was, I mean,

00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:44.000
what was it? He did 7 -Up commercials or something?

00:38:44.099 --> 00:38:47.280
I forget the commercial. Sprite. Sprite. He was

00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:51.780
huge. And this was when boxing was on ABC, ABC

00:38:51.780 --> 00:38:55.320
Wide World of Sports. People don't know. There

00:38:55.320 --> 00:38:58.219
was no cable back then. None. It was giant. He

00:38:58.219 --> 00:39:01.460
was America's superstar. Yes, he was. And Tommy

00:39:01.460 --> 00:39:04.079
Hearns was an assassin. Killer. He was an assassin.

00:39:04.420 --> 00:39:06.840
Killer. Yeah. And the two of them getting together

00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:09.400
was like one of those who knows fights, you know?

00:39:09.460 --> 00:39:12.059
Yes. It's like you get them occasionally today,

00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:14.380
you know? And see, this is what hurts me about

00:39:14.380 --> 00:39:16.500
the Olympics right now, about that move that

00:39:16.500 --> 00:39:19.820
they did to me to lose the integrity. See, I

00:39:19.820 --> 00:39:22.920
follow Ray Leonard from the Olympics. I followed

00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:25.139
Howard Davis Jr. from the Olympics. You feel

00:39:25.139 --> 00:39:28.320
me? These guys were incredible to me because

00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:30.820
they set a precedence for me. They made me want

00:39:30.820 --> 00:39:32.820
to go represent my country one day at the Olympics.

00:39:32.980 --> 00:39:35.400
Then turn pro and do like they did and become

00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:39.219
somebody. They draw me a blueprint to follow.

00:39:39.340 --> 00:39:41.719
You feel me? Muhammad Ali, all of them. George

00:39:41.719 --> 00:39:43.760
Foreman, they draw us a blueprint to follow.

00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:46.219
That Olympic blueprint meant something because

00:39:46.219 --> 00:39:50.280
that was the epitome of amateur sports. The Olympics

00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:52.639
was the highest level. of amateur sports. If

00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:54.800
you can get there, get there and represent your

00:39:54.800 --> 00:39:57.099
country, you're doing something. You feel me?

00:39:57.179 --> 00:39:59.559
You're on your way. And then they have robbed

00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:03.860
me. Well, remember that was like the doorstep

00:40:03.860 --> 00:40:07.059
to professional stardom. That's right. Meldrick

00:40:07.059 --> 00:40:09.940
Taylor, Pernell Whitaker, Evander Holyfield.

00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:11.679
Remember that one class? They had a heck of a

00:40:11.679 --> 00:40:14.039
class. Mark Breland. Yes. They had a heck of

00:40:14.039 --> 00:40:16.380
a class. Leo Randolph. Yes. What a class that

00:40:16.380 --> 00:40:18.619
was. Even a guy from my area, Clint Jackson,

00:40:18.739 --> 00:40:20.900
was on that team. And everybody was following

00:40:20.900 --> 00:40:23.539
that. When those guys left the Olympics and when

00:40:23.539 --> 00:40:25.300
they were on the podium with their medals and

00:40:25.300 --> 00:40:27.019
then they went on to their pro careers. He wasn't

00:40:27.019 --> 00:40:28.980
on that team. He was on the 76 team, my bad.

00:40:29.059 --> 00:40:32.099
Okay. Well, another great team. Yeah. But watching

00:40:32.099 --> 00:40:37.099
those guys leave the Olympics and go on to superstardom,

00:40:37.099 --> 00:40:39.300
that was what you wanted to see. That's what

00:40:39.300 --> 00:40:43.239
the normal trajectory was. You go from the Olympics

00:40:43.239 --> 00:40:46.239
to superstardom in Boston. And now it's like.

00:40:46.989 --> 00:40:48.889
We don't even half the time know who all made

00:40:48.889 --> 00:40:50.869
it to the Olympics. No one knows anymore. You

00:40:50.869 --> 00:40:52.670
know, but also like the Olympics have gotten,

00:40:52.809 --> 00:40:55.070
I don't know if you ever saw that movie Icarus.

00:40:55.090 --> 00:40:56.349
Did you ever see that movie? I don't watch many

00:40:56.349 --> 00:40:59.150
movies. It's a documentary that Brian Fogle did

00:40:59.150 --> 00:41:01.690
on the Olympics. It's a crazy documentary. And

00:41:01.690 --> 00:41:05.110
the documentary starts out where he's a cyclist

00:41:05.110 --> 00:41:08.869
and he wanted to do this race and do the race

00:41:08.869 --> 00:41:12.070
clean and then get someone to show him how to

00:41:12.070 --> 00:41:15.070
dope and then do the race doped and see what

00:41:15.070 --> 00:41:17.920
the difference was. the race clean and then he

00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:22.500
employs this russian cat who was responsible

00:41:22.500 --> 00:41:26.599
for uh olympic doping in russia and they show

00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:29.159
he shows them how to do it now along the way

00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:33.099
they find out that there was something at the

00:41:33.099 --> 00:41:36.480
sochi olympics where a lot of the athletes had

00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:39.590
they they had done something where they had built

00:41:39.590 --> 00:41:42.150
a hole in the wall, and they had taken the dirty

00:41:42.150 --> 00:41:44.130
piss, snuck it through the hole in the wall,

00:41:44.190 --> 00:41:46.269
and replaced it with clean piss. And they figured

00:41:46.269 --> 00:41:48.690
out how to work it. So all these athletes that

00:41:48.690 --> 00:41:51.570
were supposedly clean were on steroids. Or dirty,

00:41:51.610 --> 00:41:54.409
right. And so you see that, and you realize,

00:41:54.510 --> 00:41:58.210
like, what happened to you? What happened in

00:41:58.210 --> 00:42:02.710
the Beijing Olympics? It's so politicized. It's

00:42:02.710 --> 00:42:05.230
become such a big thing for the country that

00:42:05.230 --> 00:42:06.869
they're willing to do all kinds of shenanigans.

00:42:06.869 --> 00:42:09.889
Anything to win. Bribe judges. If those judges

00:42:09.889 --> 00:42:11.969
that ruled it against you weren't bribed, I would

00:42:11.969 --> 00:42:13.869
be stunned. Of course they had to be. They had

00:42:13.869 --> 00:42:16.570
to be. There's no way. I mean, someone told them

00:42:16.570 --> 00:42:18.389
to do that. There's no other way that makes any

00:42:18.389 --> 00:42:21.429
sense. Not whatsoever. But it's a problem anyway

00:42:21.429 --> 00:42:23.630
that amateur sports, like one of the things that

00:42:23.630 --> 00:42:25.210
drives me crazy about the Olympics is how much

00:42:25.210 --> 00:42:26.869
money it brings in, but the athletes don't get

00:42:26.869 --> 00:42:29.329
any money. None. None. Zero. They like college

00:42:29.329 --> 00:42:32.949
sports. A lot like college sports. A lot like

00:42:32.949 --> 00:42:35.110
college sports. And college sports even worse

00:42:35.110 --> 00:42:37.150
maybe, right? Of course. Because they can't even

00:42:37.150 --> 00:42:38.469
say, hey, we're going to hook you up with an

00:42:38.469 --> 00:42:40.570
apartment. Nothing. You can't say nothing. Nothing.

00:42:40.789 --> 00:42:42.949
Nothing. Yeah. And meanwhile, they're making

00:42:42.949 --> 00:42:47.789
billions. It's dirty. It's ridiculous. It's really

00:42:47.789 --> 00:42:51.170
dirty. I mean, I don't know how they should distribute

00:42:51.170 --> 00:42:52.829
the money, but they should distribute the money.

00:42:53.090 --> 00:42:54.949
Somehow. But I mean, come on, you want the top

00:42:54.949 --> 00:42:56.849
athlete to come to your school, that's going

00:42:56.849 --> 00:42:58.889
to add to your school's credibility. Then why

00:42:58.889 --> 00:43:01.789
he have to not be able to make money off of that

00:43:01.789 --> 00:43:03.869
too? Yeah. And if someone wins the Olympics,

00:43:03.989 --> 00:43:06.469
if they dedicate years of their life for this

00:43:06.469 --> 00:43:08.090
one goal and they win, they should make some

00:43:08.090 --> 00:43:10.190
fucking money. Nine years of mine and got robbed

00:43:10.190 --> 00:43:12.250
and they got nothing for it. Yeah. So I got robbed

00:43:12.250 --> 00:43:18.070
twice. You got double robbed. Literally. I got

00:43:18.070 --> 00:43:20.630
robbed twice. And all the people that put that

00:43:20.630 --> 00:43:22.630
on, they all made a shitload of money. And they

00:43:22.630 --> 00:43:24.130
do it right now. They're making money off of

00:43:24.130 --> 00:43:25.630
it right now. Of course. And what are they going

00:43:25.630 --> 00:43:27.329
to do with the Olympics now with no audience?

00:43:27.449 --> 00:43:29.429
Because it's a weird thing now with the UFC.

00:43:29.789 --> 00:43:33.030
It's a weird thing now with boxing. These fights

00:43:33.030 --> 00:43:35.949
with no crowd are very strange. It's very strange

00:43:35.949 --> 00:43:39.489
to me. I don't know how. I mean, the crowd meant

00:43:39.489 --> 00:43:42.829
so much to me. That's why when they moved the

00:43:42.829 --> 00:43:45.090
fight, I was like, you know what? I don't know.

00:43:45.110 --> 00:43:47.199
Y 'all give him a chance to go get. Even more

00:43:47.199 --> 00:43:50.920
already now when he's the bigger guy and we got

00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:53.780
no crowd. So I came, look over there and see

00:43:53.780 --> 00:43:56.519
somebody saying, yes, go get him, champ. You

00:43:56.519 --> 00:43:58.960
know what I'm saying? Get me hyped up. You know

00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:00.659
what I mean? So I'm like, wow. You should be

00:44:00.659 --> 00:44:02.719
able to have one hype man. At least a few of

00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:04.139
them. You know what I mean? Yeah, I got to have

00:44:04.139 --> 00:44:05.820
a few of them. Yeah, I got to have a few of them.

00:44:05.820 --> 00:44:08.639
Sometimes it's the least you'll think. Get that

00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:10.079
thing going, you know? When you were fighting,

00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:11.380
did you ever look into the crowds? Oh, yeah,

00:44:11.420 --> 00:44:13.360
all the time. Really? All the time. I want to

00:44:13.360 --> 00:44:15.559
know that you're enjoying yourself. If I'm not

00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:17.039
giving you something to make you enjoy yourself,

00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:19.039
then I'm wasting your time. I shouldn't be out

00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:22.079
there. That's how I feel. If I'm boxing for you,

00:44:22.219 --> 00:44:24.059
that's with anything. If I'm doing something

00:44:24.059 --> 00:44:27.820
for you and I'm not making you excited or happy

00:44:27.820 --> 00:44:29.699
that you're doing it, then I'm wasting your time.

00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:33.239
Well, at the end of the day, it is entertainment.

00:44:33.440 --> 00:44:35.380
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So if I ain't entertaining

00:44:35.380 --> 00:44:38.760
you, I'm wasting your time. Certain time in your

00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:40.340
career where you had to do other shit to entertain

00:44:40.340 --> 00:44:44.360
too. Like you played a full basketball game and

00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:47.019
then fought that night. Who's ever done that

00:44:47.019 --> 00:44:50.340
before? Nobody. Nobody. Nobody. I mean, that

00:44:50.340 --> 00:44:52.800
was part of the thing you had to do. To entertain.

00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:54.980
Because you were so dominant. Of course. You

00:44:54.980 --> 00:44:57.320
had to get people to pay attention in different

00:44:57.320 --> 00:44:59.820
ways. Other than just destroying people. You

00:44:59.820 --> 00:45:02.239
want to make them feel like there's a chance.

00:45:02.460 --> 00:45:04.320
You're giving this guy a chance. Yeah. So by

00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:06.039
playing that basketball game, it gives him a

00:45:06.039 --> 00:45:08.840
chance. Right. You know you got to use your legs

00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:10.940
to play basketball, so your legs shouldn't be

00:45:10.940 --> 00:45:13.260
rested like they should be in a 12 -round title

00:45:13.260 --> 00:45:15.500
fight. Right. After the fight, this guy went

00:45:15.500 --> 00:45:18.340
on to win the super middleweight title and held

00:45:18.340 --> 00:45:20.420
it for three years. Who was that again? Eric

00:45:20.420 --> 00:45:23.079
Lucas from Canada. Okay. Held it for three years,

00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:25.059
but they said you ain't fight nobody. This guy,

00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:28.280
after that game, after that fight, he went and

00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:31.960
won the WBC super middleweight title and held

00:45:31.960 --> 00:45:34.889
it for three years. It's funny that it still

00:45:34.889 --> 00:45:36.769
bothers you that people say you didn't fight

00:45:36.769 --> 00:45:38.150
anybody. Well, it don't really bother me. I'm

00:45:38.150 --> 00:45:39.869
just saying I'll just be arguing back with him

00:45:39.869 --> 00:45:41.349
sometime. I got an opportunity to argue back

00:45:41.349 --> 00:45:43.010
with him right here on Joe Rogan's show, so why

00:45:43.010 --> 00:45:44.829
not argue with him? Do you remember when Jordan

00:45:44.829 --> 00:45:48.789
was, was it Hall of Fame? What was it when he

00:45:48.789 --> 00:45:51.329
got up there and he's just talking shit about

00:45:51.329 --> 00:45:53.369
all the writers and talk shit about them over

00:45:53.369 --> 00:45:56.050
the years? It's funny, but I think that. For

00:45:56.050 --> 00:45:59.710
all the greats, there has to be something that's

00:45:59.710 --> 00:46:02.329
pissing you off, something that you're fighting

00:46:02.329 --> 00:46:05.530
against. There's no way you're going to have

00:46:05.530 --> 00:46:09.389
peace of mind and still have the drive to succeed

00:46:09.389 --> 00:46:12.269
and to conquer the way the all -time greats do.

00:46:12.510 --> 00:46:14.829
The all -time greats have to have a chip on their

00:46:14.829 --> 00:46:17.050
shoulder. If you don't have a chip on your shoulder,

00:46:17.230 --> 00:46:19.670
then you're not going to ever reach the heights

00:46:19.670 --> 00:46:22.800
or take the... Measures that it takes to become

00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:25.820
an all -time great. Yeah. Me, I had two chips.

00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:28.860
They robbed me at the Olympics. And I had a father

00:46:28.860 --> 00:46:32.280
that I separated from that I know in my heart

00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:34.460
didn't really want me to succeed without him.

00:46:34.760 --> 00:46:37.760
So those were my chips. And because I had those

00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:41.460
chips, I can't lose. Because if I lose, he win.

00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:44.500
You understand me? So in my prime, if I lose,

00:46:44.760 --> 00:46:46.900
he win. Because he said I can't do it without

00:46:46.900 --> 00:46:48.840
him. And in my life, the way I was taught, the

00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:50.889
way I was brought up, All I need is God. Nothing

00:46:50.889 --> 00:46:53.469
against my dad, but all I need is God. So to

00:46:53.469 --> 00:46:56.170
me, God prepared you to get me to a certain level,

00:46:56.389 --> 00:46:59.289
but God took those roosters. God took a guy named

00:46:59.289 --> 00:47:01.369
Charlie Campbell. And you wouldn't know Charlie

00:47:01.369 --> 00:47:02.949
Campbell because he was a boxer back in the day,

00:47:03.010 --> 00:47:06.130
an amateur boxer. But God showed me so much through

00:47:06.130 --> 00:47:09.409
Charlie Campbell that to this day, I still speak

00:47:09.409 --> 00:47:11.730
to Charlie Campbell because without Charlie Campbell,

00:47:11.869 --> 00:47:14.469
I might have never gotten to be Roy Jones Jr.

00:47:14.650 --> 00:47:17.190
Really? Charlie Campbell taught me so much about

00:47:17.190 --> 00:47:21.219
charisma. that my father could never have taught

00:47:21.219 --> 00:47:24.500
me, that it was unbelievable. Charlie Campbell

00:47:24.500 --> 00:47:27.500
beat all my father's fighters as amateurs that

00:47:27.500 --> 00:47:30.719
were in his weight class easily almost every

00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:33.840
time because he had charisma. Now, they were

00:47:33.840 --> 00:47:37.139
better than him, but he had charisma, and he

00:47:37.139 --> 00:47:39.300
beat them with that charisma. How did he beat

00:47:39.300 --> 00:47:41.440
them with charisma? Because he believed in himself,

00:47:41.739 --> 00:47:45.079
he had confidence, and he knew how to do stuff

00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:48.389
that made me love watching him. You understand

00:47:48.389 --> 00:47:50.769
me? And he wasn't the best puncher. He really

00:47:50.769 --> 00:47:53.090
didn't have the best boxing skills. But his motions,

00:47:53.170 --> 00:47:55.590
he breathed with everything he did. Even though

00:47:55.590 --> 00:47:57.869
he was slapping, he had sharp breath with it.

00:47:58.090 --> 00:48:01.590
You understand me? And to me, I was like, whoa.

00:48:01.949 --> 00:48:05.269
And he beating these guys that are on my team.

00:48:05.670 --> 00:48:07.210
So they learned the same thing I'm learning,

00:48:07.369 --> 00:48:09.730
but they can't have that kind of charisma because

00:48:09.730 --> 00:48:11.250
my daddy won't allow them to beat them people.

00:48:11.710 --> 00:48:14.090
He won't allow them to perform with that kind

00:48:14.090 --> 00:48:17.159
of confidence. You understand me? I need to learn

00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:19.420
how to do what he doing. Because if I can add

00:48:19.420 --> 00:48:22.760
what he doing to what we doing, now I got something.

00:48:22.860 --> 00:48:24.960
And how did you incorporate it? Well, I started

00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:29.139
doing the stuff he did, a little bit of it, until

00:48:29.139 --> 00:48:31.340
I figured out what it really was. You understand

00:48:31.340 --> 00:48:33.860
me? So some of the grunting, some of the moaning

00:48:33.860 --> 00:48:36.639
he did while he was fighting to show that he

00:48:36.639 --> 00:48:39.099
had breath control, I started doing it. So like

00:48:39.099 --> 00:48:41.440
when you hear Bruce Lee go, woo, Charlie Campbell

00:48:41.440 --> 00:48:44.309
would do stuff like that in a boxing match. Now,

00:48:44.329 --> 00:48:47.989
his punches weren't nearly as effective as the

00:48:47.989 --> 00:48:52.050
sound was, but he kept them on beat and in tune

00:48:52.050 --> 00:48:54.710
with the sound. So it made him look way better

00:48:54.710 --> 00:48:57.670
than he really was. And he won the fights against

00:48:57.670 --> 00:48:59.449
these guys because these guys don't know how

00:48:59.449 --> 00:49:01.949
to do that. Wow. So I started copying some of

00:49:01.949 --> 00:49:04.449
it. Not all of it, but I started adding it to

00:49:04.449 --> 00:49:08.349
my stuff. When I met him, it became hell for

00:49:08.349 --> 00:49:10.989
all the little kids in the area. Really? What?

00:49:11.829 --> 00:49:13.829
Now I learn charisma. Something my daddy can't

00:49:13.829 --> 00:49:16.230
teach me. And he beat my daddy in fighters. And

00:49:16.230 --> 00:49:19.269
to me, these guys are older than me. I'm 12.

00:49:19.489 --> 00:49:23.929
They 17. He beating them. So they ought to be

00:49:23.929 --> 00:49:26.329
better at what we're doing than I am. Because

00:49:26.329 --> 00:49:29.349
they're older and bigger than me. Right. He beating

00:49:29.349 --> 00:49:33.679
them. No, I got to get that. So I got that. So

00:49:33.679 --> 00:49:37.099
was it also like you obviously had animosity

00:49:37.099 --> 00:49:40.699
with your father. So you were looking for other

00:49:40.699 --> 00:49:43.159
ways to do it too. No, I had to find other ways.

00:49:43.199 --> 00:49:45.579
God had to talk to me in other ways. If God didn't

00:49:45.579 --> 00:49:47.800
speak to me in other ways, here's the real deal.

00:49:47.980 --> 00:49:49.440
What people don't understand, there's nothing

00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:51.380
against my father. It's just kind of our destiny,

00:49:51.559 --> 00:49:55.320
right? This is why I tell people that nature

00:49:55.320 --> 00:49:58.820
is also a Bible, right? When a lion gets a certain

00:49:58.820 --> 00:50:00.619
age, his dad will kick him out. He got to go.

00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:03.179
You got to go get your own pride. Because this

00:50:03.179 --> 00:50:05.619
is my pride. And that's kind of how me and my

00:50:05.619 --> 00:50:09.960
father were. So it's like at a young age, I knew

00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:12.539
I was going to have to go because just the way

00:50:12.539 --> 00:50:14.920
things shaped up. You understand me? So me growing

00:50:14.920 --> 00:50:17.099
up watching, even these guys watching before

00:50:17.099 --> 00:50:19.440
me, I watched all of them get to their age, but

00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:23.639
my daddy would never allow them to be as confident

00:50:23.639 --> 00:50:27.800
and as charismatic as Charlie Campbell was because

00:50:27.800 --> 00:50:30.420
he didn't allow that. Because he was the boss.

00:50:30.619 --> 00:50:32.340
He's the boss. He was in control of everything.

00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:34.900
But he ain't got to fight nobody. Right. So then,

00:50:34.920 --> 00:50:38.400
after the 76 Olympics, God gave me a second confirmation.

00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:41.860
Howard Davis Jr. won the Val Barker Cup. I mean,

00:50:41.880 --> 00:50:44.360
he was the best fighter at the Olympics. But

00:50:44.360 --> 00:50:46.280
he probably was the only one of them gold medalists

00:50:46.280 --> 00:50:50.159
that didn't become world champion. Why? Because

00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:52.880
his dad had waited way too long. So he waited

00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:55.559
so long that when he finally fought Jim Watt,

00:50:55.679 --> 00:50:58.650
he couldn't beat Jim Watt. Because... in howard

00:50:58.650 --> 00:51:02.130
davis the fire had died now in his daddy the

00:51:02.130 --> 00:51:04.150
fire still was there but guess what his daddy

00:51:04.150 --> 00:51:07.610
got a fight what right how it does right you

00:51:07.610 --> 00:51:10.170
understand me that was my second confirmation

00:51:10.170 --> 00:51:13.469
that when i get old enough i gotta go yeah you

00:51:13.469 --> 00:51:16.190
understand me so it's like i start to understand

00:51:16.190 --> 00:51:18.550
and like i said nature has always been my bible

00:51:18.550 --> 00:51:20.670
so people always say why you love animals why

00:51:20.670 --> 00:51:23.409
you love chickens that's where i learned god's

00:51:23.409 --> 00:51:25.869
teachings from because god made those animals

00:51:25.869 --> 00:51:29.039
and people can't change them You understand me?

00:51:29.119 --> 00:51:31.300
You can neuter them, but when you neuter them,

00:51:31.300 --> 00:51:33.380
you change them to a whole other animal. And

00:51:33.380 --> 00:51:35.599
to me, in society, sometimes that's what they're

00:51:35.599 --> 00:51:36.900
trying to do to us. They're trying to neuter

00:51:36.900 --> 00:51:39.079
us. So when they neuter us, we don't fight back.

00:51:39.619 --> 00:51:42.059
Well, that's a giant thing with men today. That's

00:51:42.059 --> 00:51:43.480
what I'm trying to tell you. That's what toxic

00:51:43.480 --> 00:51:45.320
masculinity and all that bullshit. That's what

00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:46.659
I'm trying to tell you. They're trying to mentally

00:51:46.659 --> 00:51:50.059
neuter us. When you neuter a horse, he becomes

00:51:50.059 --> 00:51:54.260
a gelding. He don't fight back no more. He don't

00:51:54.260 --> 00:51:56.139
care no more. You understand me? So it's like...

00:51:56.460 --> 00:51:59.900
If you neuter a man, he becomes nothing. He don't

00:51:59.900 --> 00:52:01.440
care no more. He ain't going to fight back. He

00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:02.940
ain't going to even stand up for himself because

00:52:02.940 --> 00:52:05.960
he ain't got no what God gave. You took that

00:52:05.960 --> 00:52:09.360
out. You feel me? And to me, that's emotionally,

00:52:09.460 --> 00:52:11.599
mentally, what they try to do to us without physically

00:52:11.599 --> 00:52:14.380
doing it. So that was a problem that me and my

00:52:14.380 --> 00:52:16.099
father also had. And people say, well, why are

00:52:16.099 --> 00:52:20.380
you so against what goes on? Well, to me, that's

00:52:20.380 --> 00:52:22.340
what he was trying to do. But what I learned

00:52:22.340 --> 00:52:23.699
is, and this is going to take you down that road

00:52:23.699 --> 00:52:26.199
too. I used to hunt when I was a kid, right?

00:52:27.079 --> 00:52:29.980
We would hunt squirrels. When we hunt squirrels,

00:52:29.980 --> 00:52:31.880
there would be some squirrels that would have

00:52:31.880 --> 00:52:35.300
a penis but no balls. Because the other squirrels

00:52:35.300 --> 00:52:38.059
bit their balls off. The daddy. The daddy did

00:52:38.059 --> 00:52:40.440
it? The daddy have a nest about anywhere from

00:52:40.440 --> 00:52:44.320
10 to 25 females. Every time one of them have

00:52:44.320 --> 00:52:47.780
a little babies, he goes and bites the nuts out

00:52:47.780 --> 00:52:50.230
of all the males. Because he wants no competition.

00:52:50.469 --> 00:52:54.070
But you got to know this now. So this shows me

00:52:54.070 --> 00:52:56.889
he can't do it physically, but this is what he's

00:52:56.889 --> 00:52:58.510
doing. I watched him do it to all these other

00:52:58.510 --> 00:53:01.289
guys I told you about before me. They can't beat

00:53:01.289 --> 00:53:04.170
Charlie Campbell because they're geldings. Charlie

00:53:04.170 --> 00:53:08.110
Campbell's a stud. He ain't better than them.

00:53:08.170 --> 00:53:09.389
He ain't stronger than them. He ain't even a

00:53:09.389 --> 00:53:12.210
better puncher than them. But in his mind, he's

00:53:12.210 --> 00:53:16.050
a stud. In their mind, they're geldings. Because

00:53:16.050 --> 00:53:19.150
my dad has made them So he's meant to beat them

00:53:19.150 --> 00:53:21.570
down so low that they have no real fight back

00:53:21.570 --> 00:53:24.010
in them because they got to be second to my father

00:53:24.010 --> 00:53:28.929
first. I can't be that guy. If you're going to

00:53:28.929 --> 00:53:31.010
rule the world, you ain't never seen a gilding

00:53:31.010 --> 00:53:33.969
rule the world in breeding. You understand me?

00:53:34.269 --> 00:53:36.750
You understand me? Now you see some fast gildings

00:53:36.750 --> 00:53:39.429
because they're just fast naturally. But they're

00:53:39.429 --> 00:53:41.090
not going to rule the past because once you cut

00:53:41.090 --> 00:53:43.690
the balls out of them, he's no more a man. Yeah.

00:53:43.769 --> 00:53:46.760
You feel me? I do. So it's like. I'd be saying,

00:53:46.980 --> 00:53:49.239
you know, it's like nothing personal against

00:53:49.239 --> 00:53:50.500
nobody. I don't care. You do what you want to

00:53:50.500 --> 00:53:52.800
do. But for me, I couldn't be world champion

00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:56.159
if I let my father make me a guillotine mentally

00:53:56.159 --> 00:53:58.880
and emotionally. You understand me? So I could

00:53:58.880 --> 00:54:01.579
not stay there and become a guillotine like I

00:54:01.579 --> 00:54:05.300
watched them do before me and expect to be Roy

00:54:05.300 --> 00:54:07.719
Jones Jr. that you know today. It just couldn't

00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:09.860
happen. That's a difficult balance with some

00:54:09.860 --> 00:54:11.920
trainers, right? Because some trainers were fighters

00:54:11.920 --> 00:54:14.300
and they're tough guys. Yep. And they don't want

00:54:14.300 --> 00:54:18.300
to let the other guys surpass them. Yeah. That's

00:54:18.300 --> 00:54:21.480
one of the reasons why a lot of fighters don't

00:54:21.480 --> 00:54:23.559
make good trainers. And that's why a lot of father

00:54:23.559 --> 00:54:25.480
-son relationships don't work as fighters because

00:54:25.480 --> 00:54:27.780
the father don't want to let the son grow up.

00:54:27.920 --> 00:54:30.519
And in order to stop him from growing up, you've

00:54:30.519 --> 00:54:33.440
got to almost turn him into a guillotine so that

00:54:33.440 --> 00:54:35.559
he'll go for anything and not fight you back.

00:54:36.420 --> 00:54:39.719
It usually works out in a weird way. It's very

00:54:39.719 --> 00:54:43.619
rare that a father -son fight coach. combination

00:54:43.619 --> 00:54:46.099
works. Lobanchinko, his dad do a good job. Yeah.

00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:48.860
Yeah. Well, his dad is an unusual cat. Yeah.

00:54:48.860 --> 00:54:51.059
His dad told him you're going to just dance for

00:54:51.059 --> 00:54:53.500
two years. Like what? I think it might've been

00:54:53.500 --> 00:54:55.880
more than two years. His dad is God gifted. Yeah.

00:54:55.940 --> 00:54:58.300
A lot like, a lot like Joe Kawasaki's dad was.

00:54:58.440 --> 00:55:00.820
He was God gifted. These guys never boxed, but

00:55:00.820 --> 00:55:02.380
they made world champions out of their sons.

00:55:02.480 --> 00:55:05.059
Because they knew, they seen something and they

00:55:05.059 --> 00:55:07.179
knew what it took to get him there. The fact

00:55:07.179 --> 00:55:10.480
that he told his son to take up Ukrainian dancing.

00:55:11.179 --> 00:55:13.980
And then you look at Lomachenko's footwork. It's

00:55:13.980 --> 00:55:16.559
off the charts. So God gave him a vision way

00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:18.280
before his son got to where he was going. He

00:55:18.280 --> 00:55:19.840
showed him where he was going, but way before

00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:21.840
it happened. He gave my father the same vision,

00:55:21.900 --> 00:55:24.260
just that my father's personality wouldn't allow

00:55:24.260 --> 00:55:28.500
him to enjoy the fruits of that vision. Did you

00:55:28.500 --> 00:55:31.000
ever resolve it with your father? No. Never?

00:55:31.139 --> 00:55:33.820
No. Is he still alive? Oh, yeah. Wow. Do you

00:55:33.820 --> 00:55:37.380
talk at all? No. Damn. That's got to be weird

00:55:37.380 --> 00:55:39.320
for him. No, it's not weird for him. He understands

00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:41.719
he's a lion and I'm a lion. I understand, but

00:55:41.719 --> 00:55:46.219
his son's Roy Jones Jr. Yeah. When you're a boxing

00:55:46.219 --> 00:55:48.219
trainer and your son's one of the greatest of

00:55:48.219 --> 00:55:50.719
all time and he doesn't talk to you, that's got

00:55:50.719 --> 00:55:52.380
to fuck with you. Well, he don't talk to you

00:55:52.380 --> 00:55:53.780
because you don't want to talk to him. Right.

00:55:53.960 --> 00:55:56.699
So it's not like he wouldn't talk to you if you

00:55:56.699 --> 00:55:57.920
wanted to talk to him, but you don't want to

00:55:57.920 --> 00:55:59.559
talk to him. So if you don't want to talk to

00:55:59.559 --> 00:56:00.900
him, then he's not going to chase you down and

00:56:00.900 --> 00:56:04.739
talk to you. Why would he? I couldn't, me personally

00:56:04.739 --> 00:56:06.840
as a father, I couldn't. I couldn't handle that.

00:56:06.920 --> 00:56:08.420
I couldn't handle it with none of my kids. That's

00:56:08.420 --> 00:56:10.239
why I didn't raise my kids the way that I was

00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:13.519
raised. So me and all my kids, my kids can talk

00:56:13.519 --> 00:56:15.579
to me about anything. I'm like you as a father.

00:56:15.860 --> 00:56:17.820
I couldn't handle that either. But sometimes

00:56:17.820 --> 00:56:20.940
there are sacrifices. But sometimes a guy like

00:56:20.940 --> 00:56:23.219
you has to come out of a situation like that.

00:56:23.300 --> 00:56:25.239
You have to fight your way through the struggle

00:56:25.239 --> 00:56:27.619
of being dominated by your father to become your

00:56:27.619 --> 00:56:30.500
own man. And then that's one of the reasons why

00:56:30.500 --> 00:56:32.420
you're such a bad motherfucker. If I didn't beat

00:56:32.420 --> 00:56:36.219
that, I never would have made it in boxing. Sean

00:56:36.219 --> 00:56:37.820
O 'Grady used to tell me all the time, you did

00:56:37.820 --> 00:56:40.159
the one thing that I never could do. I said,

00:56:40.199 --> 00:56:41.860
what's that, Sean? He said, I just couldn't walk

00:56:41.860 --> 00:56:44.460
away. I said, well, I thought God had me destined

00:56:44.460 --> 00:56:46.780
to be great, so I had to walk away. And look

00:56:46.780 --> 00:56:50.699
what I am now. Yeah, indeed. Indeed. What does

00:56:50.699 --> 00:56:53.940
it feel like after, like, you're already an all

00:56:53.940 --> 00:56:56.260
-time great. You're already Hall of Famer. And

00:56:56.260 --> 00:56:58.440
now you're getting back into the ring again.

00:56:58.579 --> 00:57:00.320
Like, what does that feel like? Is it exciting?

00:57:00.539 --> 00:57:03.320
Is it? It's a new feeling. You know, right now

00:57:03.320 --> 00:57:05.139
I got to tell, while I'm here, I got to tell

00:57:05.139 --> 00:57:06.860
them they got to go to Roy Jones Jr. I mean,

00:57:06.860 --> 00:57:09.480
rjjfightstore .com to get a shirt like me. That's

00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:11.840
where I got it. rjjfightstore .com. Don't miss

00:57:11.840 --> 00:57:13.760
that. Y 'all must have forgot it's on the back.

00:57:13.820 --> 00:57:16.460
Exactly. So it's like, for me, it's a whole new

00:57:16.460 --> 00:57:19.039
game now. You got to do a little bit more promoting

00:57:19.039 --> 00:57:22.380
stuff. You got to try to do a little bit more

00:57:22.380 --> 00:57:24.659
media work. I'll come talk to you because you

00:57:24.659 --> 00:57:26.119
always supported me. You've been one of the best.

00:57:26.139 --> 00:57:27.800
There it is. One of the best people that I have

00:57:27.800 --> 00:57:31.260
known as far as being a Roy Jones person. I would

00:57:31.260 --> 00:57:33.099
have came to you if I was doing nothing. But

00:57:33.099 --> 00:57:35.800
having a Mike Tyson fight for us to talk about,

00:57:35.960 --> 00:57:38.840
what better time to come see you? You feel me?

00:57:38.920 --> 00:57:41.119
So I've been trying to get here, but I said I

00:57:41.119 --> 00:57:42.539
want to wait until we got something interesting

00:57:42.539 --> 00:57:45.079
to really talk about. Oh, yeah. Because we good

00:57:45.079 --> 00:57:48.159
people. You are good people. So I wanted something

00:57:48.159 --> 00:57:50.260
big when I came here, and now I got something.

00:57:50.440 --> 00:57:53.559
So having this Mike Tyson fight, it has its advantages,

00:57:53.619 --> 00:57:56.360
although I told you the timing and all was a

00:57:56.360 --> 00:57:58.420
disadvantage. But it does have its advantages

00:57:58.420 --> 00:58:00.639
because now... we get to have a great conversation

00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:03.579
first time with me being here. You feel me? Listen,

00:58:03.699 --> 00:58:05.420
I appreciate it. I'm happy to talk to you anytime,

00:58:05.559 --> 00:58:08.599
anyplace. What is it like, though, when you see,

00:58:08.619 --> 00:58:11.139
like, now Holyfield's thinking about coming back,

00:58:11.239 --> 00:58:14.920
he's training hard, Oscar De La Hoya, that could

00:58:14.920 --> 00:58:17.199
be a fight for you, too. Like, if you decide

00:58:17.199 --> 00:58:19.260
to keep going with this, that's someone who's

00:58:19.260 --> 00:58:21.739
more your size as well. Yeah, he more my size,

00:58:21.840 --> 00:58:24.519
but he look at me like I look at Mike. He say,

00:58:24.599 --> 00:58:28.239
you know, he's too big. Well, he fought some

00:58:28.239 --> 00:58:29.840
middleweights, right? He fought Bernard. Bernard

00:58:29.840 --> 00:58:32.019
stopped him with that body shot. You see that?

00:58:32.400 --> 00:58:36.239
That's fighting a middleweight. They're a little

00:58:36.239 --> 00:58:37.719
different than me, and they're a little different

00:58:37.719 --> 00:58:40.320
than Mike. It's like when you look at it, the

00:58:40.320 --> 00:58:43.619
true fact is that if you ask people, and you

00:58:43.619 --> 00:58:45.199
can pull the highlights up right now and say,

00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:47.219
look at this guy, this guy, this guy, this guy,

00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:50.119
at that time, who are they going to look at again?

00:58:50.239 --> 00:58:51.559
They're going to look at Mike Tyson again. They're

00:58:51.559 --> 00:58:53.570
going to look at Roy Jones again. And they're

00:58:53.570 --> 00:58:54.949
going to look at Roy Jones again first because

00:58:54.949 --> 00:58:57.190
Roy Jones do so much crazy stuff that he's like

00:58:57.190 --> 00:58:59.409
high in the world. Not only do, like you say,

00:58:59.489 --> 00:59:01.590
it's a basketball game for the fight. Method

00:59:01.590 --> 00:59:04.010
Man and Red Man bring him to the ring. He got,

00:59:04.110 --> 00:59:07.090
I mean, Radio City Music Hall. I mean, come on.

00:59:07.110 --> 00:59:09.409
Roy Jones got so much stuff that he going to

00:59:09.409 --> 00:59:11.329
win that debate. And if you remember, Mike Tyson

00:59:11.329 --> 00:59:12.630
probably going to be right behind him because

00:59:12.630 --> 00:59:15.289
Mike Tyson got some knockouts that are unbelievable.

00:59:15.690 --> 00:59:18.289
You understand me? So it's like that's the two

00:59:18.289 --> 00:59:21.639
most. entertaining guys over the last two decades

00:59:21.639 --> 00:59:24.820
without a question. Without a question. You said

00:59:24.820 --> 00:59:26.980
you learned that move when you put your hands

00:59:26.980 --> 00:59:28.300
behind your back. Who'd you knock out when you

00:59:28.300 --> 00:59:29.260
put your hands behind your back? I knocked him

00:59:29.260 --> 00:59:31.840
down, James Toney. Oh, no, no. Glenn Kennedy.

00:59:32.079 --> 00:59:33.860
You're right. You knocked him out. You said you

00:59:33.860 --> 00:59:35.239
learned that from a rooster, too. From a rooster,

00:59:35.280 --> 00:59:37.960
too. That's right. That's right. Who else learned

00:59:37.960 --> 00:59:40.179
shit from roosters? That's right. The rooster

00:59:40.179 --> 00:59:42.119
man. But see, you got to understand this, too.

00:59:42.179 --> 00:59:43.739
There's a little bit more to it. I'm also big

00:59:43.739 --> 00:59:46.639
on the kung fu movies. So the kung fu movies,

00:59:46.679 --> 00:59:48.440
you know, they got tiger style, crane style,

00:59:48.880 --> 00:59:51.679
all these, the toad, the lizard, all these different

00:59:51.679 --> 00:59:54.179
things. So I said, you know, I love roosters.

00:59:54.340 --> 00:59:56.639
So let me see how I can incorporate the roosters

00:59:56.639 --> 01:00:01.300
into my style of boxing. Do you think this is

01:00:01.300 --> 01:00:03.699
one and done? Do you think this Tyson fight is

01:00:03.699 --> 01:00:05.420
one and done? Does it depend on the outcome or

01:00:05.420 --> 01:00:07.280
you just have to focus on the fight right now

01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:09.800
and then decide what else is going on afterwards?

01:00:10.300 --> 01:00:13.599
It really depends on how it goes because You

01:00:13.599 --> 01:00:16.139
know, I'm like this, man. I think Mike is an

01:00:16.139 --> 01:00:18.900
awesome person. And I know Mike has had his ups

01:00:18.900 --> 01:00:20.539
and downs in the world. I know Mike is really,

01:00:20.699 --> 01:00:25.619
you know, he is Mike. You understand me? So you

01:00:25.619 --> 01:00:27.099
don't know what Mike you're going to get. Right.

01:00:27.179 --> 01:00:28.780
You understand me? So in this exhibition, you

01:00:28.780 --> 01:00:30.400
got to prepare for the best you can prepare for.

01:00:31.099 --> 01:00:34.179
And, you know, anything can happen. If Mike hits

01:00:34.179 --> 01:00:37.280
you with the elbow and cuts you on purpose, anything

01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:39.639
can happen. You don't know. And you try to get

01:00:39.639 --> 01:00:42.139
him back, and they may stop it before you get

01:00:42.139 --> 01:00:44.599
to get him back. then they say, well, y 'all

01:00:44.599 --> 01:00:46.039
want to do a real fight? Hell yeah, I want to

01:00:46.039 --> 01:00:47.539
do a real fight with my get back. You understand

01:00:47.539 --> 01:00:48.940
me? If that happened like that. You understand

01:00:48.940 --> 01:00:50.400
me? You've already got it played out in your

01:00:50.400 --> 01:00:51.480
head. I'm just saying, yeah, because you ain't

01:00:51.480 --> 01:00:53.079
going to do just anything. I ain't getting no

01:00:53.079 --> 01:00:54.880
get back. You feel me? Right, I understand. It

01:00:54.880 --> 01:00:56.460
ain't going to go like that. You feel me? So

01:00:56.460 --> 01:00:58.960
now if we go, if we have a straight up one, this

01:00:58.960 --> 01:01:01.440
time is good, then I'm cool. That may be the

01:01:01.440 --> 01:01:03.340
end of it. It might turn out like I want it.

01:01:03.360 --> 01:01:04.849
Everything will be great. You understand me?

01:01:04.909 --> 01:01:07.309
So it may be a great opportunity. We both may

01:01:07.309 --> 01:01:10.329
put up great performances and we might call it

01:01:10.329 --> 01:01:12.090
a day. We might be too tired to talk about it

01:01:12.090 --> 01:01:15.769
if it's called we owe. You understand me? Yeah.

01:01:15.869 --> 01:01:19.869
That may happen too. But it all really probably

01:01:19.869 --> 01:01:22.469
depends on the outcome of this. You understand

01:01:22.469 --> 01:01:26.349
me? Because when you're the smaller guy and you're

01:01:26.349 --> 01:01:29.469
fighting a guy that you know is over here today

01:01:29.469 --> 01:01:31.610
and over there tomorrow, then you just got to

01:01:31.610 --> 01:01:33.679
prepare yourself. for whatever because you don't

01:01:33.679 --> 01:01:35.360
know what he might come in and do. You understand

01:01:35.360 --> 01:01:39.159
me? So I got to be ready. I mean, I feel safe

01:01:39.159 --> 01:01:42.699
with these earmuffs on because he might bite

01:01:42.699 --> 01:01:46.380
you in your damn ear. That's the thing about

01:01:46.380 --> 01:01:49.380
Mike is he's so crazy. He's so wild. You feel

01:01:49.380 --> 01:01:50.659
me? You don't know what he might do. I think

01:01:50.659 --> 01:01:52.880
he's a different human now. You know, he was,

01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:55.039
he's, I've talked to him twice on a podcast.

01:01:55.239 --> 01:01:57.380
I talked to him once. It was about 10 months

01:01:57.380 --> 01:01:59.420
ago and once just a couple weeks ago. And he's

01:01:59.420 --> 01:02:01.579
two different people from those two times. That's

01:02:01.579 --> 01:02:03.420
what I'm saying. That's just 10 months. So imagine

01:02:03.420 --> 01:02:05.059
what he'd do in 10 days. Well, 10 months ago,

01:02:05.099 --> 01:02:07.000
he was smoking weed. He wouldn't even work out.

01:02:07.059 --> 01:02:09.219
He said he couldn't work out because he didn't

01:02:09.219 --> 01:02:11.619
want to reignite his ego. And then he said his

01:02:11.619 --> 01:02:14.099
wife called him fat. And then he started working.

01:02:14.139 --> 01:02:15.960
He said, I got on the treadmill, started doing

01:02:15.960 --> 01:02:17.380
it for 15 minutes. Next thing you know, it's

01:02:17.380 --> 01:02:20.159
two hours. And then he's obsessed again. And

01:02:20.159 --> 01:02:22.539
now his ego has been reignited. Yes, he said.

01:02:22.739 --> 01:02:25.820
The gods of war reignited his ego. You feel me?

01:02:26.039 --> 01:02:30.769
But they called it an exhibition. Okay, so anyway.

01:02:31.010 --> 01:02:33.090
He looks shredded. Oh, he is shredded. Yeah,

01:02:33.110 --> 01:02:35.389
he's ready to go. And he's good. He's doing the

01:02:35.389 --> 01:02:37.610
right thing because DBs ain't playing. You feel

01:02:37.610 --> 01:02:39.329
me? I understand. He's doing the right thing.

01:02:39.409 --> 01:02:42.590
But like I said, if everything goes good, then

01:02:42.590 --> 01:02:45.409
I won't have to do it twice. But if it don't

01:02:45.409 --> 01:02:47.409
go like I want it to and they say, yeah, I want

01:02:47.409 --> 01:02:49.269
to do a real one, then give me some 10s and let's

01:02:49.269 --> 01:02:52.110
go for real. 10s and would you do 10 rounds?

01:02:52.610 --> 01:02:55.389
No, 10 or 12. 10 or 12. I want 12. I can't. I

01:02:55.389 --> 01:02:59.119
want to. See, they got me doing. Eight two minute

01:02:59.119 --> 01:03:01.099
rounds now. That's a two minute round. That's

01:03:01.099 --> 01:03:02.920
his advantage. Everything is to his advantage.

01:03:03.860 --> 01:03:05.780
That's to his advantage, too. Why'd you agree

01:03:05.780 --> 01:03:08.880
to it? At this point, the fans are so excited

01:03:08.880 --> 01:03:12.960
about it. I wouldn't want to pull a rug from

01:03:12.960 --> 01:03:14.960
under the fans. Then they try to sue me. Right.

01:03:15.099 --> 01:03:16.880
You know what I'm saying? So it's not really

01:03:16.880 --> 01:03:18.880
worth it. You know what I'm saying? So I'm going

01:03:18.880 --> 01:03:21.360
through these two rounds just that I'm going

01:03:21.360 --> 01:03:22.699
to have to figure out a little bit different

01:03:22.699 --> 01:03:24.179
way. I'm going to have to work a little faster

01:03:24.179 --> 01:03:26.530
than I expected to. Yeah, two -minute rounds

01:03:26.530 --> 01:03:28.630
is a totally different kind of rhythm. Totally

01:03:28.630 --> 01:03:31.070
different kind of rhythm. Yeah, it's weird that

01:03:31.070 --> 01:03:32.630
they decided to do it that way. Do you think

01:03:32.630 --> 01:03:34.670
they decided to do that because of the September

01:03:34.670 --> 01:03:36.829
12th date where it was only six weeks for him

01:03:36.829 --> 01:03:40.769
to prepare? No, they just decided this last week.

01:03:41.110 --> 01:03:43.190
Really? Yeah, they changed up on me about the

01:03:43.190 --> 01:03:45.610
week. So it was originally three -minute rounds?

01:03:45.789 --> 01:03:49.769
I thought. I guess I read the memo wrong. Like

01:03:49.769 --> 01:03:53.460
I said. Wow. It changes so much on me, man. I

01:03:53.460 --> 01:03:56.039
mean, I think the WBC came in and said they want

01:03:56.039 --> 01:03:57.719
to put up some kind of title or something, so

01:03:57.719 --> 01:03:59.039
they want to cut it back to two -minute rounds.

01:03:59.300 --> 01:04:02.360
They said something about that Arce and Chavez

01:04:02.360 --> 01:04:04.500
senior fight, how fatigued they were after the

01:04:04.500 --> 01:04:07.440
fight, and they feel like that's a safety measure.

01:04:07.619 --> 01:04:09.860
But what they don't realize is that if you keep

01:04:09.860 --> 01:04:11.960
Mike fresh, the longer you keep Mike fresh, the

01:04:11.960 --> 01:04:14.079
more dangerous that is for me. Yeah, for sure.

01:04:14.079 --> 01:04:16.699
So I need to get Mike. unfresh, quick, so we

01:04:16.699 --> 01:04:18.360
can get out of this danger zone. What happened

01:04:18.360 --> 01:04:21.079
with Chavez Sr.? He and Arce, I think, fought

01:04:21.079 --> 01:04:25.880
a true exhibition with headgear and big gloves.

01:04:26.039 --> 01:04:28.360
Right. But they said they were so exhausted afterwards

01:04:28.360 --> 01:04:30.880
that they felt like that is what could inhibit

01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:34.699
somebody's health. Huh. Well, how much did they

01:04:34.699 --> 01:04:37.000
train for? That's what I don't know. So they're

01:04:37.000 --> 01:04:38.340
making it two different things. You feel me?

01:04:38.380 --> 01:04:40.679
So I don't know why. And they cut it back. But

01:04:40.679 --> 01:04:43.269
like I'm telling them. No, that's not right for

01:04:43.269 --> 01:04:47.110
me because I'm a smaller guy. Time is the best

01:04:47.110 --> 01:04:49.949
component I have. The longer he goes, the more

01:04:49.949 --> 01:04:52.170
he wears, the better my chances are. The longer

01:04:52.170 --> 01:04:54.409
you keep him strong and fresh, the more dangerous

01:04:54.409 --> 01:04:58.219
it is for me. So they didn't discuss this beforehand?

01:04:58.300 --> 01:05:00.380
It's not a part of the contract? They just contacted

01:05:00.380 --> 01:05:01.699
you and said they're dropping it down in two

01:05:01.699 --> 01:05:03.119
-minute rounds? They said the commission is dropping

01:05:03.119 --> 01:05:04.760
it down in two -minute rounds. You can pull out.

01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:07.739
The commission said that? They said, yeah, the

01:05:07.739 --> 01:05:09.139
commission. You drop it down in two -minute rounds,

01:05:09.199 --> 01:05:11.760
you can either pull out or you can fight. Man.

01:05:12.019 --> 01:05:14.159
So this is the commission's idea? Well, I guess.

01:05:14.219 --> 01:05:16.500
They said WBC came in and said it along with

01:05:16.500 --> 01:05:18.300
the commission. So I don't know if it's... The

01:05:18.300 --> 01:05:20.300
commission told me it's WBC's. WBC told me it's

01:05:20.300 --> 01:05:21.719
the commission. So I ain't really sure who it

01:05:21.719 --> 01:05:24.349
is. But my point is... That's not good for me.

01:05:24.510 --> 01:05:27.409
That's good for him again. You feel me? He already

01:05:27.409 --> 01:05:29.409
a bigger man. Y 'all started giving him everything

01:05:29.409 --> 01:05:32.030
he want. Yeah, I want it to be three -minute

01:05:32.030 --> 01:05:33.170
rounds. I want it to be three -minute rounds.

01:05:33.230 --> 01:05:35.389
It's safer for me for three -minute rounds. Yeah,

01:05:35.429 --> 01:05:38.510
it's just better. It's boxing. It's traditional.

01:05:38.690 --> 01:05:40.510
It's what it's always been. Guess what, though?

01:05:41.670 --> 01:05:44.610
What they're going to do is turn that light back

01:05:44.610 --> 01:05:48.010
on. When they turn that light on, bad things

01:05:48.010 --> 01:05:50.949
happen. You heard me. I heard you. And they turn

01:05:50.949 --> 01:05:53.590
that light back on. Slowly but surely, they turn

01:05:53.590 --> 01:05:55.710
that light back on. And I'm going to say, I didn't

01:05:55.710 --> 01:05:57.570
want to be this person, but since y 'all going

01:05:57.570 --> 01:06:00.010
to do me like this, now y 'all starting something.

01:06:03.530 --> 01:06:08.630
That mean trouble. Listen, I'm excited about

01:06:08.630 --> 01:06:10.289
this fight no matter what, but now I'm more excited

01:06:10.289 --> 01:06:16.150
about it. This is going to be a gigantic fight,

01:06:16.230 --> 01:06:18.989
too. I mean, I've heard so many people talk about

01:06:18.989 --> 01:06:20.889
it that are just casual boxing fans that are

01:06:20.889 --> 01:06:22.889
excited. I was cool in the beginning, but like

01:06:22.889 --> 01:06:25.269
I said, once you only kick me around so much,

01:06:25.389 --> 01:06:29.590
then the hook comes out. I see myself and I'm

01:06:29.590 --> 01:06:31.869
turning green. Well, you always said that, that

01:06:31.869 --> 01:06:33.670
there's like two dudes inside of you, right?

01:06:33.829 --> 01:06:36.170
There's Roy Jones Jr. and there's RJ. And they're

01:06:36.170 --> 01:06:39.230
starting to wake him up. Well, who's RJ? The

01:06:39.230 --> 01:06:43.739
one to be effed with. When did you realize there

01:06:43.739 --> 01:06:45.260
was like a second person? Well, I've been new

01:06:45.260 --> 01:06:47.380
it my whole life. I've been new it my whole life.

01:06:47.400 --> 01:06:48.940
I always try to suppress that person because

01:06:48.940 --> 01:06:51.239
that person will end up in somebody's penitentiary

01:06:51.239 --> 01:06:53.159
somewhere if you don't watch him. Because he

01:06:53.159 --> 01:06:55.820
ain't really thinking about or caring about what

01:06:55.820 --> 01:06:58.940
nobody thinks. So is this, do you think that

01:06:58.940 --> 01:07:03.679
this, you developed this as... a way of is it

01:07:03.679 --> 01:07:05.820
just always been inside of you or is this how

01:07:05.820 --> 01:07:07.980
you dealt with certain situations in your life

01:07:07.980 --> 01:07:11.000
where you had to like shut off parts of who you

01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:14.840
are I think all real men have it they just don't

01:07:14.840 --> 01:07:17.360
ever have to tap into it or they never have been

01:07:17.360 --> 01:07:21.460
pushed to that measure which is why I say society

01:07:21.460 --> 01:07:25.860
tries to make us gildings because any man like

01:07:25.860 --> 01:07:29.500
you you got kids somebody did something to your

01:07:29.500 --> 01:07:33.579
kid and you saw it RJ coming up. You understand

01:07:33.579 --> 01:07:35.679
me? I do. So it's always there, it's just that

01:07:35.679 --> 01:07:38.599
you try to keep it suppressed. So I try to keep

01:07:38.599 --> 01:07:40.760
it suppressed, but Jingle kick on me with so

01:07:40.760 --> 01:07:44.739
much, then he coming. And once he start coming,

01:07:44.820 --> 01:07:47.159
guess what? He's just like a pit bull, he has

01:07:47.159 --> 01:07:50.000
no off switch. Who was it that you fought? You

01:07:50.000 --> 01:07:53.380
fought this dude, jack guy, shorter guy, first

01:07:53.380 --> 01:07:56.619
fight. That's right. that's right yeah the second

01:07:56.619 --> 01:07:59.280
fight rj came out in a big way yes that was an

01:07:59.280 --> 01:08:01.860
annihilation of course yeah you just hunted him

01:08:01.860 --> 01:08:05.099
down of course that's who rj is yeah seek and

01:08:05.099 --> 01:08:07.500
destroy that was haggle's words seeking destroy

01:08:07.500 --> 01:08:09.880
you can destroy it so the first fight what happened

01:08:09.880 --> 01:08:12.039
in the first fight he got injured no i hit him

01:08:12.039 --> 01:08:14.420
he went down one knee but he was already short

01:08:14.420 --> 01:08:16.260
right so i couldn't take it down so i tapped

01:08:16.260 --> 01:08:18.180
him again and i thought the referee was gonna

01:08:18.180 --> 01:08:20.520
say stop oh that's right i'm waiting for the

01:08:20.520 --> 01:08:21.840
referee to say stop he didn't say that so i tapped

01:08:21.840 --> 01:08:23.600
him again he looked at the referee and thought

01:08:23.600 --> 01:08:28.130
oh crash on his head, face down. That's okay.

01:08:28.569 --> 01:08:30.689
Okay, I'll take that disqualification, but now,

01:08:30.850 --> 01:08:33.550
it's a little bit harder for me when you... Did

01:08:33.550 --> 01:08:35.289
they give him the title for that? Yeah. That's

01:08:35.289 --> 01:08:37.649
right. Hey, that was my first loss. If it wasn't

01:08:37.649 --> 01:08:38.869
for that loss, I probably still wouldn't have

01:08:38.869 --> 01:08:43.529
lost today. That was my first loss. So now, around

01:08:43.529 --> 01:08:46.630
the Olympics, here I go again. So you know how

01:08:46.630 --> 01:08:48.789
I feel come the second time, right? Yeah. Now

01:08:48.789 --> 01:08:51.569
I got robbed twice, or three times. We talked

01:08:51.569 --> 01:08:52.789
about how the Olympic Committee robbed me too,

01:08:52.869 --> 01:08:55.659
so now I've been robbed. Three times. Now somebody

01:08:55.659 --> 01:08:58.399
got to die. How many times does RJ come out and

01:08:58.399 --> 01:09:00.699
fight? Just that one time. Just one time? It's

01:09:00.699 --> 01:09:03.000
because he talk crazy to me after I'm knowing

01:09:03.000 --> 01:09:05.460
you got my title while you down face down the

01:09:05.460 --> 01:09:07.619
mat. How you can't talk to me like that now?

01:09:07.720 --> 01:09:09.100
And if he would have left me alone, it would

01:09:09.100 --> 01:09:10.720
have never came out. If he would have just left

01:09:10.720 --> 01:09:12.460
alone, let's go to the second fight, I would

01:09:12.460 --> 01:09:13.880
have probably beat him, but I wouldn't have beat

01:09:13.880 --> 01:09:17.220
him like that because I'm not that dude. I try

01:09:17.220 --> 01:09:19.739
to suppress that guy. You feel me? But when he

01:09:19.739 --> 01:09:21.920
start talking, now you make me be a person I

01:09:21.920 --> 01:09:23.979
don't want to be. and i know i'm glad we're friends

01:09:23.979 --> 01:09:26.039
now we don't you know we ain't got no beef no

01:09:26.039 --> 01:09:29.039
more we cool now we shook hands he understands

01:09:29.039 --> 01:09:32.239
and i understand but it's like at that time you

01:09:32.239 --> 01:09:35.039
can't talk when you took my belt while you was

01:09:35.039 --> 01:09:37.199
face down the mat and you will talk crazy about

01:09:37.199 --> 01:09:43.699
me too no no you oh have always showed great

01:09:43.699 --> 01:09:46.739
sportsmanship and and also control like i remember

01:09:46.739 --> 01:09:49.300
when you tried to get the referee to stop the

01:09:49.300 --> 01:09:52.100
Pazienza fight. You looked at the referee, you're

01:09:52.100 --> 01:09:54.560
like, come on, stop it. He done, bro. What you

01:09:54.560 --> 01:09:56.279
want me to do to him? The referee wouldn't stop

01:09:56.279 --> 01:09:58.000
it, and then you just finished it real quick.

01:09:58.079 --> 01:10:00.579
I said, okay. Yeah. Yeah, it was devastating.

01:10:00.920 --> 01:10:04.220
But that was an excellent example of you being

01:10:04.220 --> 01:10:07.060
a good sportsman. Of course. I'm not out there

01:10:07.060 --> 01:10:08.920
to hurt people. That's what I try to tell people.

01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:11.380
I'm not out there to hurt people. When you...

01:10:11.739 --> 01:10:14.399
And Gerald McClellan. Gerald McClellan, who was

01:10:14.399 --> 01:10:16.840
at the time a destroyer. You know what I mean?

01:10:16.880 --> 01:10:19.260
He was the man that people thought of as being

01:10:19.260 --> 01:10:22.020
a great challenger for you. And then he had that

01:10:22.020 --> 01:10:25.359
fight with Nigel Benn and wound up getting brain

01:10:25.359 --> 01:10:28.439
injury and just devastated and was never the

01:10:28.439 --> 01:10:31.359
same again. How much did that affect you? Because

01:10:31.359 --> 01:10:35.250
a guy who was your peer. who was a man that many

01:10:35.250 --> 01:10:37.869
people thought was going to be a rival to you,

01:10:37.970 --> 01:10:39.229
and you guys were eventually going to have a

01:10:39.229 --> 01:10:41.789
big super fight. How bad did that affect you?

01:10:41.970 --> 01:10:44.109
It affected me pretty bad because being that

01:10:44.109 --> 01:10:46.470
I knew Gerald and we were friends, and he won

01:10:46.470 --> 01:10:48.569
a 3 -2 split decision over me in the amateurs.

01:10:48.850 --> 01:10:51.149
So he was one up, and I was definitely looking

01:10:51.149 --> 01:10:53.229
to get that one back, which I got a little bit

01:10:53.229 --> 01:10:54.909
back when I sparred with him at Sugar Ray Leonard's

01:10:54.909 --> 01:10:59.569
gym, but I still wanted an organized get back.

01:10:59.829 --> 01:11:02.149
So I definitely was looking to fight him. down

01:11:02.149 --> 01:11:04.609
the road. But when that fight happened, when

01:11:04.609 --> 01:11:06.750
I saw that fight was happening, I was the only

01:11:06.750 --> 01:11:08.689
person that said that he wouldn't win that fight.

01:11:09.510 --> 01:11:12.010
I was the only person. And people called me the

01:11:12.010 --> 01:11:14.970
next day and said, how did you know he was not

01:11:14.970 --> 01:11:18.550
going to win? I said, because he's good. He's

01:11:18.550 --> 01:11:21.470
a very strong puncher. But punching is all that

01:11:21.470 --> 01:11:23.930
Nigel really has. Nigel does not believe in boxing

01:11:23.930 --> 01:11:26.510
skills. Nigel don't care about boxing skills.

01:11:26.970 --> 01:11:29.930
Nigel is just what he say he is, a dark destroyer.

01:11:29.989 --> 01:11:33.090
You go into his country, you go into his backyard,

01:11:33.369 --> 01:11:35.350
and you're going to fight him just like he fights.

01:11:36.109 --> 01:11:40.210
That's not a good recipe. You feel me? And just

01:11:40.210 --> 01:11:43.029
what I didn't think was going to be quite that

01:11:43.029 --> 01:11:45.850
bad. I didn't think he was going to end his career.

01:11:46.590 --> 01:11:48.409
But I thought that he was going to end up losing

01:11:48.409 --> 01:11:51.149
to Nigel because of the fact that he would fight

01:11:51.149 --> 01:11:54.109
the wrong fight. He would fight the style which

01:11:54.109 --> 01:11:56.510
Nigel shines in. The only style that Nigel could

01:11:56.510 --> 01:11:59.210
shine in. When he knocked Nigel down the first

01:11:59.210 --> 01:12:01.710
round, 99 % of fighters would have been done.

01:12:01.850 --> 01:12:03.890
When he sent him through the ropes, it looked

01:12:03.890 --> 01:12:05.369
like it was over. And that's what Gerald was

01:12:05.369 --> 01:12:07.569
doing to everybody. Gerald was destroying people.

01:12:07.630 --> 01:12:10.210
Everybody. Destroying people. What a puncher

01:12:10.210 --> 01:12:13.609
he was. And what a classic, crunk -style fighter

01:12:13.609 --> 01:12:17.510
he was. Tall, long dude, serious power, super

01:12:17.510 --> 01:12:20.810
hyper aggressive. Both hands. But Nigel Benn

01:12:20.810 --> 01:12:23.270
could fucking take it. You know, he almost had

01:12:23.270 --> 01:12:25.010
a comeback recently. Yeah, he did. He had some

01:12:25.010 --> 01:12:27.210
shoulder injuries and sidelined him. The bad

01:12:27.210 --> 01:12:29.449
part about it is, and this is what we're seeing,

01:12:29.529 --> 01:12:31.470
we're missing right now. If it was in today's

01:12:31.470 --> 01:12:33.409
society, Nigel never would have recovered from

01:12:33.409 --> 01:12:35.210
that first round knockout because today with

01:12:35.210 --> 01:12:37.470
no crowd, he'd have had nothing to urge him back

01:12:37.470 --> 01:12:41.390
on. But with that crowd and he at home. If he

01:12:41.390 --> 01:12:44.750
has breath in him, he better get up and get his

01:12:44.750 --> 01:12:46.850
ass back in that ring. Yeah. And he did just

01:12:46.850 --> 01:12:49.829
that. He survived. But the crowd made him do

01:12:49.829 --> 01:12:51.729
that. Yeah. And then when he started taking it

01:12:51.729 --> 01:12:54.050
to Gerald, I mean, that was crazy. Gerald just

01:12:54.050 --> 01:12:56.489
emptied his gas tank trying to take him out of

01:12:56.489 --> 01:12:58.770
there. And Gerald was also another guy who cut

01:12:58.770 --> 01:13:01.109
a tremendous amount of weight. Of course. He

01:13:01.109 --> 01:13:03.310
was big for a middleweight. Huge. He probably

01:13:03.310 --> 01:13:05.350
should have gone up to light heavyweight even

01:13:05.350 --> 01:13:07.930
before then. Or super middleweight. Yeah. And

01:13:07.930 --> 01:13:09.350
that's what most people thought was going to

01:13:09.350 --> 01:13:13.270
happen. Yeah, that's, to me, one of the great

01:13:13.270 --> 01:13:16.550
tragedies of boxing because it's very rare that

01:13:16.550 --> 01:13:19.529
an elite top -of -the -food -chain world champion

01:13:19.529 --> 01:13:21.710
in his prime is cut down like that. It's really

01:13:21.710 --> 01:13:23.970
only been a couple instances. What it puts people

01:13:23.970 --> 01:13:27.710
on notice again as to why fighters ask to get

01:13:27.710 --> 01:13:30.670
paid properly every time they go in a ring, especially

01:13:30.670 --> 01:13:34.510
against another elite fighter, because tomorrow

01:13:34.510 --> 01:13:36.909
is not promised to nobody when you go in that

01:13:36.909 --> 01:13:40.119
ring. Anything can happen at any time. Nobody

01:13:40.119 --> 01:13:42.539
suspected that that would be Joe McClellan's

01:13:42.539 --> 01:13:46.380
last fight ever. You understand me? Nobody suspected

01:13:46.380 --> 01:13:49.420
that. You understand me? Same with the guy, the

01:13:49.420 --> 01:13:52.100
heavyweight that it happened to up in New York.

01:13:52.199 --> 01:13:54.399
He fought the Cuban guy, Mike, whatever his name

01:13:54.399 --> 01:13:58.119
was. I can't remember his last name, but nobody

01:13:58.119 --> 01:14:00.260
ever suspected that that would be that heavyweight's

01:14:00.260 --> 01:14:02.439
last fight. I remember that, yeah. I know the

01:14:02.439 --> 01:14:03.479
fight you're talking about, but I can't remember

01:14:03.479 --> 01:14:05.859
the name. Yeah, same sort of situation. Yeah,

01:14:05.859 --> 01:14:08.319
man. It's just like... you never know so in boxing

01:14:08.319 --> 01:14:10.199
you have to take every fight that's why people

01:14:10.199 --> 01:14:13.079
say well why you say that man you don't know

01:14:13.079 --> 01:14:15.600
you know you get hit by somebody like mike tyson

01:14:15.600 --> 01:14:18.000
anything can happen right mike tyson is not just

01:14:18.000 --> 01:14:20.140
an ordinary puncher right he one of those guys

01:14:20.140 --> 01:14:22.520
that could do just that to you so you should

01:14:22.520 --> 01:14:25.420
know what you're going into and you should be

01:14:25.420 --> 01:14:28.220
ready for that because this is mike yeah you

01:14:28.220 --> 01:14:33.039
understand me now for me i don't really give

01:14:33.039 --> 01:14:35.100
a damn i fight for a living i feel just like

01:14:35.100 --> 01:14:37.369
a game rooster I'd be ready to die for my spot.

01:14:37.770 --> 01:14:40.909
So if you want me, it's right down my alley.

01:14:41.109 --> 01:14:43.750
I ain't tripping at all because I know that death

01:14:43.750 --> 01:14:47.770
is a probability. You feel me? So, yeah, that

01:14:47.770 --> 01:14:49.869
could happen to anybody. And I know it could

01:14:49.869 --> 01:14:51.489
happen to me even more going in there with somebody

01:14:51.489 --> 01:14:54.250
as dangerous as a Mike Tyson. Problem with me

01:14:54.250 --> 01:14:58.989
is why I love what I love and why I do what I

01:14:58.989 --> 01:15:02.489
do is because I love boxing. So if I got to die

01:15:02.489 --> 01:15:05.279
boxing, I'm going to die a happy man. You understand

01:15:05.279 --> 01:15:08.300
me? What? Is that the way you'd like to go? Well,

01:15:08.340 --> 01:15:10.100
I mean, well, it's probably one or two other

01:15:10.100 --> 01:15:12.699
ways I'd rather go. Like a grandpa sitting on

01:15:12.699 --> 01:15:16.399
a porch. Yeah, but if I went that way, I'm not

01:15:16.399 --> 01:15:18.880
mad at that. Right, I understand. Because I know

01:15:18.880 --> 01:15:21.020
that when I started boxing. Right. I know that

01:15:21.020 --> 01:15:23.939
people get hurt in this. Some people don't make

01:15:23.939 --> 01:15:26.199
it out of this a lot. So if that's how you got

01:15:26.199 --> 01:15:29.260
to go, you got to know that. But if you ain't

01:15:29.260 --> 01:15:32.039
that game. If you ain't that committed to what

01:15:32.039 --> 01:15:33.779
you're doing, then you shouldn't be talking to

01:15:33.779 --> 01:15:36.000
me about boxing because that's what boxing is.

01:15:37.119 --> 01:15:40.520
Yeah. That's a great philosophy to have to go

01:15:40.520 --> 01:15:43.699
into combat because nobody gets out alive in

01:15:43.699 --> 01:15:47.539
this life. Got to leave some way. Better believe

01:15:47.539 --> 01:15:50.880
it. And you want to talk about a man who's been

01:15:50.880 --> 01:15:53.720
dedicated to a craft and a sport. I mean, your

01:15:53.720 --> 01:15:56.579
whole life. has been dedicated to his craft and

01:15:56.579 --> 01:15:59.800
sport. And because of that, you are universally

01:15:59.800 --> 01:16:02.140
recognized as one of the all -time best. Yep.

01:16:02.199 --> 01:16:05.220
And I ain't caring tomorrow what it is, who it

01:16:05.220 --> 01:16:07.500
is. When y 'all say let's go, it's time for me

01:16:07.500 --> 01:16:10.789
to go. Yeah, there's a legacy that you've left

01:16:10.789 --> 01:16:12.750
it like no matter what happens. No one can ever

01:16:12.750 --> 01:16:15.189
take that away from you Yep, you've accomplished

01:16:15.189 --> 01:16:18.970
some crazy shit. Thank you, brother It is what

01:16:18.970 --> 01:16:21.750
it is, right and your era to men I mean, there's

01:16:21.750 --> 01:16:24.750
so many so many amazing fighters of your error.

01:16:25.029 --> 01:16:28.560
I mean you you really came up and, I mean, boxing

01:16:28.560 --> 01:16:30.600
is in a good place now. There's a lot of exciting

01:16:30.600 --> 01:16:32.460
champions and a lot of exciting fights to be

01:16:32.460 --> 01:16:36.239
made. But, I mean, your era was one of the golden

01:16:36.239 --> 01:16:38.579
eras of boxing. Yeah, it was. And you know what?

01:16:38.699 --> 01:16:41.479
The only thing, like I said, what hurts me now

01:16:41.479 --> 01:16:46.439
is like I be wanting to see the best fighters

01:16:46.439 --> 01:16:48.739
fight the best fighters. Like right now, a good

01:16:48.739 --> 01:16:51.220
fight that's on tap is two good fights. Tank's

01:16:51.220 --> 01:16:53.359
about to fight a good fight. Lomachenko about

01:16:53.359 --> 01:16:54.880
to fight a really good fight. You understand

01:16:54.880 --> 01:16:59.239
me? But the guy, His opponent hasn't been proven

01:16:59.239 --> 01:17:01.699
yet, Teofimo Lopez, but I think he's a really

01:17:01.699 --> 01:17:04.800
good prospect, and if he does get into this fight,

01:17:04.899 --> 01:17:07.880
it could be really interesting. Yet, at the same

01:17:07.880 --> 01:17:10.920
time, this tells us if it's too early for him

01:17:10.920 --> 01:17:13.079
or not, because he still has time to grow. He's

01:17:13.079 --> 01:17:17.079
young, but he's a good -looking prospect. You

01:17:17.079 --> 01:17:20.619
feel me? Good -looking prospect. The guy Tank's

01:17:20.619 --> 01:17:22.100
fighting, and just forgive me, I don't know names.

01:17:22.340 --> 01:17:25.140
I don't remember names that well, but... He's

01:17:25.140 --> 01:17:27.579
a pretty good fighter too. And I don't know that

01:17:27.579 --> 01:17:29.079
he's going to be able to take Tank's power because

01:17:29.079 --> 01:17:30.819
Tank's one of these guys that comes way down

01:17:30.819 --> 01:17:33.399
in weight too. So he'll be big on fight night.

01:17:33.720 --> 01:17:36.159
And if he's that big on fight night, it makes

01:17:36.159 --> 01:17:38.340
it very difficult to take those hammers, those

01:17:38.340 --> 01:17:40.680
tanks that he throws when he throws them. So

01:17:40.680 --> 01:17:42.180
it's going to be a good fight too. I can't wait

01:17:42.180 --> 01:17:44.520
to see that. But there are some good fights on

01:17:44.520 --> 01:17:46.399
tap and I'm looking forward to it. But I still

01:17:46.399 --> 01:17:50.180
say that right now, the best fighter out there

01:17:50.180 --> 01:17:55.460
besides Roy and Mike is... Crawford versus Spence

01:17:55.460 --> 01:17:59.180
in their prayer. I agree. Yeah. Why are we still

01:17:59.180 --> 01:18:01.920
not making it happen? I don't know. I'm amazed

01:18:01.920 --> 01:18:04.260
Spence came out of that car accident unfazed.

01:18:04.420 --> 01:18:06.760
You watch that car flip like that, you're like,

01:18:06.840 --> 01:18:09.739
Jesus Christ. God had to be with him. Something

01:18:09.739 --> 01:18:11.680
was with him. That's for sure. God had to be

01:18:11.680 --> 01:18:14.930
with him. Had to be. Something. And Terrence

01:18:14.930 --> 01:18:16.789
Crawford, to me, is one of the most interesting

01:18:16.789 --> 01:18:19.229
champions alive today. Beast mode. He think like

01:18:19.229 --> 01:18:21.869
me and Pernell Whitaker thought. If you want

01:18:21.869 --> 01:18:24.630
it, come and get it. I love how he switches stances

01:18:24.630 --> 01:18:27.729
too. I mean, he fights as good from orthodox

01:18:27.729 --> 01:18:30.890
as Southpaw. And when he decides to switch it

01:18:30.890 --> 01:18:33.069
up on guys, you see the look on their face where

01:18:33.069 --> 01:18:35.390
they get confused. He'll fight two, three rounds

01:18:35.390 --> 01:18:38.210
one way and then switch it up. And you see, like,

01:18:38.270 --> 01:18:40.329
Hagler used to do that. Hagler was a fantastic

01:18:40.329 --> 01:18:42.369
switch fighter. One of the best I've seen in

01:18:42.369 --> 01:18:44.430
Ted Crawford, yeah. Yeah, and Crawford just,

01:18:44.550 --> 01:18:48.069
he's got a mind for the sport. It's like this,

01:18:48.170 --> 01:18:50.130
you could see when he's putting it on a guy.

01:18:50.310 --> 01:18:53.430
You know, he just, he's as game as they come.

01:18:53.550 --> 01:18:56.430
Yes, sir. Yes, sir. So those are fights I want

01:18:56.430 --> 01:18:58.529
to see. I have some interesting guys. I got a

01:18:58.529 --> 01:19:01.630
guy, Chris Eubank Jr. I really want to see him.

01:19:01.750 --> 01:19:03.489
I really want to see him with one of the Charlo

01:19:03.489 --> 01:19:07.409
brothers first. And when we get... I think that

01:19:07.409 --> 01:19:08.869
would be a very good competitive fight. So you're

01:19:08.869 --> 01:19:11.069
training Chris Eubanks? Yes, and that'll show

01:19:11.069 --> 01:19:13.409
us where he's at. I think the winner of that

01:19:13.409 --> 01:19:16.630
fight should fight Canelo. I think he's good

01:19:16.630 --> 01:19:19.930
enough. You can't down a champion. You can't

01:19:19.930 --> 01:19:21.789
just say, oh, he'll beat the champ. I don't do

01:19:21.789 --> 01:19:24.329
that in boxing because that's not my thing. But

01:19:24.329 --> 01:19:26.390
we do want to fight the champ, which right now

01:19:26.390 --> 01:19:29.069
I think the WBA champ, middleweight, is a Japanese

01:19:29.069 --> 01:19:32.010
guy, and we need to fight him to find out. get

01:19:32.010 --> 01:19:33.770
us a real title then we should fight the charlotte

01:19:33.770 --> 01:19:36.210
brother to have a unification title i'll fight

01:19:36.210 --> 01:19:38.649
i mean then he should fight canelo to find out

01:19:38.649 --> 01:19:40.550
who demanded the weight class is canelo going

01:19:40.550 --> 01:19:43.210
to stay at 68 or is he going to go back and forth

01:19:43.210 --> 01:19:45.489
between 68 and 75. i think canelo's going to

01:19:45.489 --> 01:19:48.310
go where the money fight is which is smart yeah

01:19:48.310 --> 01:19:50.569
you know just kind of freelance and wrong he'd

01:19:50.569 --> 01:19:53.609
been always signified go from 75 to 60. i think

01:19:53.609 --> 01:19:55.920
that's comfortable for him It kind of reminds

01:19:55.920 --> 01:19:58.539
me of what I kind of did, just dominate the area.

01:19:58.739 --> 01:20:00.840
You know what I'm saying? So if you get lucky

01:20:00.840 --> 01:20:03.479
enough to come get high enough in the area, he'll

01:20:03.479 --> 01:20:06.000
take you. He's an interesting cat because what

01:20:06.000 --> 01:20:08.399
he's learned from particularly the Floyd Mayweather

01:20:08.399 --> 01:20:10.479
Jr. fight, if you watch the way he moves now,

01:20:10.680 --> 01:20:13.439
his head movement is so much better than it ever

01:20:13.439 --> 01:20:16.279
was before. It's beautiful. His defensive skills

01:20:16.279 --> 01:20:18.619
are so much better than they've ever been before.

01:20:18.920 --> 01:20:21.119
Yeah, but to me, that's not the thing that he

01:20:21.119 --> 01:20:23.800
needed to learn because you have to look at the

01:20:23.800 --> 01:20:27.920
past. To teach you about the future. So if you

01:20:27.920 --> 01:20:32.460
look at history, Julio Cesar Chavez Sr. And God

01:20:32.460 --> 01:20:36.619
bless the dead, Roger Mayweather. But Julio beat

01:20:36.619 --> 01:20:38.880
Roger because he started chasing Roger at the

01:20:38.880 --> 01:20:41.539
weigh -in. He didn't wait and try to outbox Roger

01:20:41.539 --> 01:20:44.119
because he's never going to outbox Roger. Right.

01:20:44.220 --> 01:20:46.220
But he started chasing Roger at the weigh -in.

01:20:46.380 --> 01:20:49.000
And he chased Roger all night until he ran Roger.

01:20:49.540 --> 01:20:52.039
complete ragged, then he would beat Roger. Well,

01:20:52.039 --> 01:20:54.300
Julio did that to everybody, right? Melvin Taylor,

01:20:54.420 --> 01:20:56.000
too. Yeah, but what I'm saying is that's the

01:20:56.000 --> 01:20:58.199
way to beat a guy who's a better boxer than you.

01:20:58.600 --> 01:21:01.560
So if you notice, then why don't you send Canelo

01:21:01.560 --> 01:21:05.420
in to chase Floyd from round one? Right. You

01:21:05.420 --> 01:21:07.239
don't go out there and try to outbox Floyd Mayweather.

01:21:07.359 --> 01:21:09.539
I mean, think about it, man. That's true. Think

01:21:09.539 --> 01:21:10.520
about it. You think I'm going to go out and try

01:21:10.520 --> 01:21:13.000
to send somebody to go out and shoot Larry Bird?

01:21:13.199 --> 01:21:16.510
No, I'm not. No, I'm not. No, I'm not. That's

01:21:16.510 --> 01:21:19.069
stupid. That's what Larry does best. Right. No.

01:21:19.710 --> 01:21:22.689
I understand. I think he was a little overwhelmed,

01:21:22.810 --> 01:21:24.850
you know, because that was a big fight for him,

01:21:24.869 --> 01:21:26.590
his first real super fight. And he's in there

01:21:26.590 --> 01:21:29.630
with Floyd, who's a defensive wizard. Yeah, but

01:21:29.630 --> 01:21:32.710
you've been pro since you was 15. Yeah. So you

01:21:32.710 --> 01:21:33.829
probably got a little bit more experience than

01:21:33.829 --> 01:21:35.409
Floyd had at the time as far as professional

01:21:35.409 --> 01:21:40.350
boxing goes. So if you really think about it.

01:21:41.800 --> 01:21:44.260
You don't outbox the boxer. Didn't Floyd make

01:21:44.260 --> 01:21:46.479
him suck a lot of weight too? I think he made

01:21:46.479 --> 01:21:48.180
him get down to like 52 or something like that.

01:21:48.220 --> 01:21:49.859
Yeah, but he came in the ring at like, I think

01:21:49.859 --> 01:21:52.739
he was 16 pounds heavier than Floyd. So if you're

01:21:52.739 --> 01:21:55.279
16 pounds heavier than him, that tells you that

01:21:55.279 --> 01:21:58.159
you've got to use that 16 pounds. Try to use

01:21:58.159 --> 01:22:00.180
it against him if you can. Not saying that he

01:22:00.180 --> 01:22:02.079
would beat Floyd, because Floyd is a smart guy.

01:22:02.180 --> 01:22:04.180
Floyd knows how to change up. That's the good

01:22:04.180 --> 01:22:06.640
thing about Floyd. Floyd also is an elite fighter

01:22:06.640 --> 01:22:09.010
who knows how to make adjustments. But for your

01:22:09.010 --> 01:22:12.430
best, for your optimal chances, you got to go

01:22:12.430 --> 01:22:14.689
and get on him from round one. Like Maidana did

01:22:14.689 --> 01:22:19.430
in Florida the first fight. Gave him all kinds

01:22:19.430 --> 01:22:20.789
of problems the first fight because he stayed

01:22:20.789 --> 01:22:23.050
right there on it. And he's not the puncher that

01:22:23.050 --> 01:22:26.390
Canelo is. He's not as big as Canelo is. But

01:22:26.390 --> 01:22:28.810
Maidana's a wild man. It don't matter. That's

01:22:28.810 --> 01:22:31.390
the only chance Canelo had that night. You're

01:22:31.390 --> 01:22:33.590
not going to outbox Floyd Mayweather. Come on,

01:22:33.630 --> 01:22:35.689
bro. You got to risk losing. That's what I'm

01:22:35.689 --> 01:22:37.670
saying. At that point, he wasn't ready for that.

01:22:37.810 --> 01:22:41.770
So to say that he's a better fighter, we could

01:22:41.770 --> 01:22:43.789
say that, but he's an older fighter, too. So,

01:22:43.789 --> 01:22:45.170
of course, the older you get, the better you're

01:22:45.170 --> 01:22:47.050
supposed to get. Right. But we can't necessarily

01:22:47.050 --> 01:22:49.569
say he's a better fighter until we see him...

01:22:49.569 --> 01:22:52.670
Against a guy like Floyd. Or see him fixed because

01:22:52.670 --> 01:22:56.630
he had the same problem with Arizona De Lara.

01:22:56.890 --> 01:22:59.130
Oh, okay. With Arizona De Lara as he had with

01:22:59.130 --> 01:23:02.060
Floyd because Arizona De Lara is a boxer. right

01:23:02.060 --> 01:23:04.420
so that fight that fight was a fight that some

01:23:04.420 --> 01:23:06.000
people thought could have went either way yeah

01:23:06.000 --> 01:23:08.060
i thought me being one of them you feel me so

01:23:08.060 --> 01:23:10.739
it's like that don't mean you got better that

01:23:10.739 --> 01:23:12.539
means that you've been facing different types

01:23:12.539 --> 01:23:14.819
of competition right because until we see you

01:23:14.819 --> 01:23:18.640
do that and handle that style then we can say

01:23:18.640 --> 01:23:20.539
you got better yeah now he's a great fighter

01:23:20.539 --> 01:23:22.260
don't get me wrong to me here in my top three

01:23:22.260 --> 01:23:24.420
because i like i love canelo i think canelo one

01:23:24.420 --> 01:23:27.300
of the best out there yeah but we can't say we're

01:23:27.300 --> 01:23:29.020
always quick to say he got better after the floor

01:23:29.020 --> 01:23:31.340
fight I'm not going to say that necessarily he

01:23:31.340 --> 01:23:32.359
got better because he was going to get better

01:23:32.359 --> 01:23:34.880
anyway because he was going to grow up, which

01:23:34.880 --> 01:23:37.640
he did. He was 21 and he grew up. Most people,

01:23:37.659 --> 01:23:39.060
when they grow up, they get smarter, so they

01:23:39.060 --> 01:23:41.960
have to get better. But I don't think the Floyd

01:23:41.960 --> 01:23:44.539
fight made him better because he still didn't

01:23:44.539 --> 01:23:46.479
show me that he made the necessary adjustment

01:23:46.479 --> 01:23:48.500
to come back and beat Floyd if he fought him

01:23:48.500 --> 01:23:51.000
again or give Floyd an even better fight if he

01:23:51.000 --> 01:23:52.960
fought him again because if he's not pressuring

01:23:52.960 --> 01:23:55.579
Floyd, he's never going to outbox Floyd. Yeah.

01:23:56.220 --> 01:23:57.720
Styles make fights, right? That's what I'm saying.

01:23:57.800 --> 01:24:01.369
Yeah. Were you stunned by the Kovalev fight?

01:24:01.590 --> 01:24:03.909
No, I wasn't. No, I wasn't. Kovalev took the

01:24:03.909 --> 01:24:06.090
fight at a time I thought was bad for him because

01:24:06.090 --> 01:24:07.449
he took it right after one of his other fights.

01:24:07.949 --> 01:24:12.390
And it's like, to me, I don't think Kovalev took

01:24:12.390 --> 01:24:14.670
the fight with the intent to win it. I think

01:24:14.670 --> 01:24:17.090
he felt like, I'll get a chance to fight Canelo.

01:24:17.210 --> 01:24:19.199
I'll get good money. I'll take it. You think

01:24:19.199 --> 01:24:21.279
so? That's what I felt like. Really? I don't

01:24:21.279 --> 01:24:23.239
think, I didn't see the real Kovalev. I mean,

01:24:23.260 --> 01:24:26.220
then you try to box Canelo and move away and

01:24:26.220 --> 01:24:29.079
let Canelo stalk you. But now the way Canelo

01:24:29.079 --> 01:24:33.119
stalked him is the way he should have stalked

01:24:33.119 --> 01:24:35.239
Mayweather the first time. Yeah. Because that's

01:24:35.239 --> 01:24:37.020
what he had to do to beat Mayweather. And he

01:24:37.020 --> 01:24:40.539
turned Kovalev, the crusher, turned into a boxer.

01:24:40.939 --> 01:24:43.680
I think with Kovalev, the word's always been

01:24:43.680 --> 01:24:45.729
that he drinks too much. I hear that, but what

01:24:45.729 --> 01:24:47.609
I'm saying is, Kovalev, your nickname is the

01:24:47.609 --> 01:24:49.590
crusher. Right. Why would you let a guy coming

01:24:49.590 --> 01:24:53.270
up two weight classes make you alleviate or deviate

01:24:53.270 --> 01:24:55.670
from where you normally are? You're normally

01:24:55.670 --> 01:24:57.510
called the crusher. Now you're going to go to

01:24:57.510 --> 01:24:59.310
the boxer all of a sudden for a guy that's coming

01:24:59.310 --> 01:25:04.310
up two weight classes? No. I understand. No.

01:25:04.369 --> 01:25:06.329
You understand me? I understand. I mean, I love

01:25:06.329 --> 01:25:08.689
Kovalev to death, too. That's my boy. You know

01:25:08.689 --> 01:25:11.380
what I'm saying? But I just feel like he... fought

01:25:11.380 --> 01:25:14.220
the wrong fight against Cano. I don't know if

01:25:14.220 --> 01:25:15.859
he was physically capable of fighting any other

01:25:15.859 --> 01:25:19.300
fight. I just don't think he's as durable as

01:25:19.300 --> 01:25:20.899
he used to be. I agree with that too, but to

01:25:20.899 --> 01:25:25.680
me, you must fight the right game plan or you've

01:25:25.680 --> 01:25:28.340
lost before the fight starts. Right. Yeah. True.

01:25:29.000 --> 01:25:31.039
Well, you're a fantastic commentator, man. That's

01:25:31.039 --> 01:25:33.199
one of the things that got me really bummed out

01:25:33.199 --> 01:25:36.000
when HBO died. I can't believe they took away

01:25:36.000 --> 01:25:40.180
boxing. I don't know why HBO did that. I just

01:25:40.180 --> 01:25:41.979
don't understand it. Well, I understood what

01:25:41.979 --> 01:25:44.479
they told me was that they don't like the fact

01:25:44.479 --> 01:25:46.840
they are not going to do something and be number

01:25:46.840 --> 01:25:48.619
two. They can't be number one. They ain't doing

01:25:48.619 --> 01:25:54.319
it. And so I can kind of... So what put them

01:25:54.319 --> 01:25:56.500
into number two? Well, I'm just saying they want

01:25:56.500 --> 01:25:58.300
to be the best at it. Was it DAZN? I don't know.

01:25:58.420 --> 01:26:01.359
Or was it just money and streaming, ESPN Plus?

01:26:01.420 --> 01:26:02.880
I don't really know. I just feel like they want

01:26:02.880 --> 01:26:04.920
to be number one or they want to be nothing.

01:26:05.739 --> 01:26:08.739
Well, I mean, I don't know, man. Between you

01:26:08.739 --> 01:26:11.260
and with Jim Lampley. And Max Kellerman. And

01:26:11.260 --> 01:26:13.479
Max Kellerman, who's fantastic. You guys did

01:26:13.479 --> 01:26:16.239
an amazing job. Fun stuff. The commentary team

01:26:16.239 --> 01:26:18.680
was unparalleled. The best ever. The best ever.

01:26:18.699 --> 01:26:20.159
So that's what I'm saying. But like I said, I

01:26:20.159 --> 01:26:23.500
just feel like maybe they were used to having

01:26:23.500 --> 01:26:26.880
the elite champions. And because the elite champions

01:26:26.880 --> 01:26:29.500
became dispersed, maybe that was it. I don't

01:26:29.500 --> 01:26:32.340
know. But to me, I feel like, like I said, I

01:26:32.340 --> 01:26:37.779
feel like they. Just wanted to be. Or maybe people

01:26:37.779 --> 01:26:40.439
that bought him out. I don't know. I don't know

01:26:40.439 --> 01:26:42.680
either, but it's a sad state of affairs. It hurt

01:26:42.680 --> 01:26:44.619
me. I tell you that. It still hurts me to this

01:26:44.619 --> 01:26:47.239
day. That's kind of. I mean, they have been in

01:26:47.239 --> 01:26:49.880
boxing for how many years? 30 plus years? It

01:26:49.880 --> 01:26:53.739
still hurts me to this day. And it's amazing

01:26:53.739 --> 01:26:56.920
that no one has brought that team back. Max Kellerman

01:26:56.920 --> 01:26:59.439
to this day is not doing boxing commentary that

01:26:59.439 --> 01:27:01.779
I'm aware of. He do a little bit on ESPN. Does

01:27:01.779 --> 01:27:05.220
he? Yeah, he does a little bit. But where's Jim

01:27:05.220 --> 01:27:08.220
Lampley? I don't know, but those two guys are

01:27:08.220 --> 01:27:10.000
two of the best guys you ever can work with.

01:27:10.279 --> 01:27:14.680
And Jim Lampley has a memory that is unparalleled

01:27:14.680 --> 01:27:17.340
to anybody I've ever met in my life. This guy

01:27:17.340 --> 01:27:20.420
can look at a paper one time and remember that

01:27:20.420 --> 01:27:24.460
whole damn page almost word for it. I believe

01:27:24.460 --> 01:27:26.300
it. I mean, I ain't never seen nothing like it

01:27:26.300 --> 01:27:29.079
in my life. No, he is as good a play -by -play

01:27:29.079 --> 01:27:32.699
commentator as has ever lived. Yes, sir. He's

01:27:32.699 --> 01:27:36.260
phenomenal. HBO was pretty awesome as an organization

01:27:36.260 --> 01:27:38.279
because, you know, it's like I built my career

01:27:38.279 --> 01:27:40.500
there at HBO and then to be able to build that

01:27:40.500 --> 01:27:43.140
commentary career there was so fabulous for me.

01:27:43.199 --> 01:27:46.140
So they were really, I mean, it hurt me bad that

01:27:46.140 --> 01:27:48.920
they got out of boxing because that was like,

01:27:48.939 --> 01:27:54.020
man, that was really the... King Pina Fox. Yeah.

01:27:54.199 --> 01:27:57.079
No, they were uncrowned. I mean, undoubtedly

01:27:57.079 --> 01:28:00.760
the ones who wore the crown. Now, do you do any

01:28:00.760 --> 01:28:03.100
commentary now? No, I can't until my contract's

01:28:03.100 --> 01:28:04.899
over and my contract's not over until December.

01:28:05.359 --> 01:28:07.880
Oh, okay. Yeah, so after December I can do other

01:28:07.880 --> 01:28:10.220
commentary. Are you talking to anybody about

01:28:10.220 --> 01:28:11.739
doing that? Not yet. I hope you do. I haven't

01:28:11.739 --> 01:28:13.420
spoken to nobody about it yet. I'm sure after

01:28:13.420 --> 01:28:16.079
it ends we'll start speaking to people, but I

01:28:16.079 --> 01:28:19.920
haven't spoken to anybody yet. How did you get

01:28:19.920 --> 01:28:22.079
involved with Russia? How did you become a Russian

01:28:22.079 --> 01:28:24.180
citizen? When I read that, I was like, what is

01:28:24.180 --> 01:28:25.720
happening with Roy? What are you doing? Man,

01:28:25.720 --> 01:28:27.920
I do so much. My partner got a movie coming out

01:28:27.920 --> 01:28:30.000
right now called Four Kings, me and Mike Tyson

01:28:30.000 --> 01:28:33.420
in that movie too. But I do so much. So I was

01:28:33.420 --> 01:28:35.680
over at Russia doing fights, doing stuff, and

01:28:35.680 --> 01:28:39.460
I never realized how big I was in Russia until

01:28:39.460 --> 01:28:42.039
I started going over there. And Russia is like

01:28:42.039 --> 01:28:46.199
a Roy of 1990s. Really? Yeah. When I go somewhere,

01:28:46.500 --> 01:28:49.640
it's all here at the King. That's how much they

01:28:49.640 --> 01:28:54.619
love boxing. Wow. So to go to Russia and to see

01:28:54.619 --> 01:28:57.680
that you love that much, as bad as I hate the

01:28:57.680 --> 01:29:05.319
cold. As bad as I hate the cold to be revered

01:29:05.319 --> 01:29:08.520
that much, it's always like I tell people, I

01:29:08.520 --> 01:29:13.619
always want to be somewhere that I'm wanted and

01:29:13.619 --> 01:29:16.420
needed if possible. But wanted is the big key.

01:29:16.760 --> 01:29:19.500
and i always tell i tell my kids don't date a

01:29:19.500 --> 01:29:22.199
girl that you want they're the girl that wants

01:29:22.199 --> 01:29:25.880
you she'll treat you better smart words right

01:29:25.880 --> 01:29:29.960
there so that's very important loves and appreciates

01:29:29.960 --> 01:29:33.739
me you understand me do you appreciate some love

01:29:33.739 --> 01:29:37.260
me too don't get it wrong 99 the population of

01:29:37.260 --> 01:29:40.600
russia knows me really yes so it's like when

01:29:40.600 --> 01:29:42.819
they said you should become a part of Us too.

01:29:42.899 --> 01:29:45.840
It's not to say, oh, I don't like you. No, it's

01:29:45.840 --> 01:29:48.140
not like that. It's like, why can't we all get

01:29:48.140 --> 01:29:50.520
along? Why can't we? What's the problem? Well,

01:29:50.539 --> 01:29:51.840
one of the things I was going to say is that

01:29:51.840 --> 01:29:54.699
you haven't really taken any grief publicly about

01:29:54.699 --> 01:29:56.859
being a dual citizen that I've ever seen. No,

01:29:56.899 --> 01:29:58.699
but there are several Russians that are dual

01:29:58.699 --> 01:30:01.020
citizens. So why would y 'all give me grief when

01:30:01.020 --> 01:30:02.880
y 'all ain't giving them grief? True. I mean,

01:30:02.920 --> 01:30:05.380
is it? We always talk about this racism stuff.

01:30:05.539 --> 01:30:08.619
Is it? If I got grief, what could it be? Because

01:30:08.619 --> 01:30:10.680
there are several Russians over here in this

01:30:10.680 --> 01:30:13.659
country right now that they. to have dual citizenship.

01:30:14.100 --> 01:30:17.840
So I can't. Why can't you? That's what I'm saying.

01:30:17.960 --> 01:30:20.960
So how did it come up? They just brought it up

01:30:20.960 --> 01:30:23.420
to me. A Russian guy brought it up to me and

01:30:23.420 --> 01:30:25.920
said, hey, they love you so much. You should

01:30:25.920 --> 01:30:28.239
look at becoming a citizen here too. I was like,

01:30:28.300 --> 01:30:29.680
wow, that's not a bad idea. I never thought in

01:30:29.680 --> 01:30:31.920
my life that it would be possible to become a

01:30:31.920 --> 01:30:34.760
Russian citizen and an American citizen. I said,

01:30:34.779 --> 01:30:36.779
but that can't be a bad thing. And people forget

01:30:36.779 --> 01:30:39.920
that we fought together in World War II. So,

01:30:40.619 --> 01:30:42.420
It's like, we're not really enemies. We're enemies.

01:30:43.100 --> 01:30:45.760
Sometimes politics try to make us enemies, but

01:30:45.760 --> 01:30:48.000
we're really not enemies. And if we're all children

01:30:48.000 --> 01:30:50.899
of God, then why are we enemies? Or how can we

01:30:50.899 --> 01:30:53.319
really be enemies? So do you split time in Russia?

01:30:53.560 --> 01:30:55.979
Yes. How much time of the year do you spend there?

01:30:56.119 --> 01:30:57.779
I usually go about, spend probably about six

01:30:57.779 --> 01:30:59.680
months a year there. Really? So you do hit that

01:30:59.680 --> 01:31:03.479
cold. Yeah, I do hit it. I hate it, but I hit

01:31:03.479 --> 01:31:06.939
it. And my fighters, I meant to. I mentioned

01:31:06.939 --> 01:31:09.119
that I have several fighters all over the world,

01:31:09.140 --> 01:31:11.560
too. I have a Russian heavyweight. I have a Swedish

01:31:11.560 --> 01:31:15.119
middleweight. I have a Swedish coach. I got some

01:31:15.119 --> 01:31:18.119
fighters in South Africa. I got fighters everywhere.

01:31:18.859 --> 01:31:22.619
And then I got a team here. I got Andrew, Glenn,

01:31:23.180 --> 01:31:25.619
I was telling you about Chris Eubank, Kevin Newman,

01:31:26.060 --> 01:31:31.270
Delisco Shady Gamora, I said him, Ikram. I got

01:31:31.270 --> 01:31:34.229
a lot of good Michael Williams Jr. I got a good

01:31:34.229 --> 01:31:38.510
stable of young fighters up and coming. Brian

01:31:38.510 --> 01:31:42.109
Pirello, I think his last name is, Bryant. I

01:31:42.109 --> 01:31:43.970
got a really good stable of Glenn Hagler Jr.

01:31:44.250 --> 01:31:45.710
Really good stable of fighters that I'm trying

01:31:45.710 --> 01:31:49.229
to work on bringing up. Fernando. And I'm trying

01:31:49.229 --> 01:31:52.550
to get them to understand my thought process

01:31:52.550 --> 01:31:55.770
in boxing because they can understand my thought

01:31:55.770 --> 01:31:58.470
process. They're already ahead of the curve.

01:31:58.789 --> 01:32:00.529
If they don't understand my thought process,

01:32:00.850 --> 01:32:03.529
they're not going nowhere. Right. You understand

01:32:03.529 --> 01:32:07.029
me? So it's like you have to understand the thought

01:32:07.029 --> 01:32:09.350
process in order to be able to really pursue

01:32:09.350 --> 01:32:12.510
a career doing it my way. What do you think is

01:32:12.510 --> 01:32:14.510
different about your thought process? My thought

01:32:14.510 --> 01:32:18.050
process is some of it is already understood before

01:32:18.050 --> 01:32:20.930
I go in there. You understand me? So it's like

01:32:20.930 --> 01:32:25.930
certain things that you do, you know. You have

01:32:25.930 --> 01:32:28.869
do's and don'ts before you go in there. You understand

01:32:28.869 --> 01:32:31.289
me? So it's like when I come out to fight, if

01:32:31.289 --> 01:32:33.329
you got a bad jab, you won't live tonight. You

01:32:33.329 --> 01:32:35.270
will not win tonight because you're not going

01:32:35.270 --> 01:32:38.069
to beat me with a bad jab. Not because it's the

01:32:38.069 --> 01:32:40.109
first punch you learn in boxing. If your jab

01:32:40.109 --> 01:32:42.630
is bad, you're not beating Roy. You understand

01:32:42.630 --> 01:32:44.729
me? If you can't block this hook, you're not

01:32:44.729 --> 01:32:46.489
beating Roy. You understand? Those things are

01:32:46.489 --> 01:32:47.770
understood before the fight ever starts. I don't

01:32:47.770 --> 01:32:50.270
care who you are. If your jab bad and you ain't

01:32:50.270 --> 01:32:51.909
going to block this hook, you ain't going to

01:32:51.909 --> 01:32:54.729
beat Roy. So do you think, like, for young fighters,

01:32:54.949 --> 01:32:56.390
well, first of all, it's got to be an amazing

01:32:56.390 --> 01:32:58.189
opportunity to train with an all -time great,

01:32:58.329 --> 01:33:01.930
period. But to get into your head and for you

01:33:01.930 --> 01:33:05.069
to explain to them how you approach situations,

01:33:05.449 --> 01:33:08.729
how you approach fights, how you approach stepping

01:33:08.729 --> 01:33:11.569
into that ring, how you approach dismantling

01:33:11.569 --> 01:33:14.489
opponents, that's got to rub off on young kids.

01:33:14.789 --> 01:33:17.050
Yeah, it does. That's what I try to do. Some

01:33:17.050 --> 01:33:19.130
kids get it, some kids don't. But my goal is

01:33:19.130 --> 01:33:20.869
to try to get it to all of them or get it in

01:33:20.869 --> 01:33:23.109
all of them's head. Get them at least to start

01:33:23.109 --> 01:33:24.869
thinking in the right direction. Because if I

01:33:24.869 --> 01:33:26.630
can make them think in the right direction, now

01:33:26.630 --> 01:33:28.729
I got something. You understand me? I got to

01:33:28.729 --> 01:33:30.529
make them think in the right direction first.

01:33:30.689 --> 01:33:33.390
See, most guys want contact. You understand me?

01:33:34.630 --> 01:33:37.130
Contact is like, I got a guy, one of my guys

01:33:37.130 --> 01:33:38.770
I work with often, his name is James Wilkins.

01:33:39.289 --> 01:33:42.649
He works harder than everybody everywhere. But

01:33:42.649 --> 01:33:45.529
I got to teach him that it's not about how hard

01:33:45.529 --> 01:33:49.350
you work, it's how smart you work hard. You understand

01:33:49.350 --> 01:33:50.829
me? Because you're working hard without smart.

01:33:51.470 --> 01:33:52.850
you're not going to get nowhere. Then you can

01:33:52.850 --> 01:33:54.770
overtrain. Yeah, you're going to overtrain, and

01:33:54.770 --> 01:33:56.189
you're not getting no better because you're not

01:33:56.189 --> 01:33:59.489
working some more. Right. So many boxers have

01:33:59.489 --> 01:34:02.609
now gone to basically strength and conditioning.

01:34:02.970 --> 01:34:07.510
So my friend Tom Yankelo has started a channel.

01:34:08.489 --> 01:34:11.869
And Tom Yankelo has a channel, and his thing

01:34:11.869 --> 01:34:15.649
is he teaches boxing. Is it a YouTube channel?

01:34:15.829 --> 01:34:18.210
Yeah. How do you say his name? Tom Yankelo. How

01:34:18.210 --> 01:34:21.970
do you spell that? Y -A -N -K -E -L -O. Okay.

01:34:22.210 --> 01:34:25.149
And his thing, he has a thing where he starts

01:34:25.149 --> 01:34:28.029
to teach because he realizes there's not a lot

01:34:28.029 --> 01:34:30.569
of coaches left in boxing. So he's teaching boxing

01:34:30.569 --> 01:34:33.989
the right way now. You understand me? And with

01:34:33.989 --> 01:34:37.050
that being said, he's going to help give back

01:34:37.050 --> 01:34:39.189
to people because if you just go on YouTube and

01:34:39.189 --> 01:34:42.510
look him up, you'll see him. But he got a lot

01:34:42.510 --> 01:34:43.949
of stuff on me on that right now. There you go.

01:34:43.949 --> 01:34:46.550
There he is. Okay. I've seen him work with you.

01:34:46.609 --> 01:34:48.949
So he's, those pads, those little flippy pads,

01:34:49.109 --> 01:34:51.229
those are like. They're different, right? Yes.

01:34:51.489 --> 01:34:53.609
What do you like about those? Well, I like them

01:34:53.609 --> 01:34:55.109
because they don't hurt your hands. And if you're

01:34:55.109 --> 01:34:56.729
a big puncher like I am, you ain't got to ever

01:34:56.729 --> 01:34:58.449
hurt your hands. But the ones where guys hold

01:34:58.449 --> 01:35:01.010
with their hands, they hurt your hands. But he

01:35:01.010 --> 01:35:03.470
gives a lot of knowledge. He teaches a lot. He

01:35:03.470 --> 01:35:05.350
teaches the sport the right way. You understand

01:35:05.350 --> 01:35:07.689
what I mean? So I like people like him because

01:35:07.689 --> 01:35:09.729
he doing his thing the way it's supposed to be

01:35:09.729 --> 01:35:14.569
done. Well, the beautiful opportunity that people

01:35:14.569 --> 01:35:17.149
have now to learn shit on YouTube that just was

01:35:17.149 --> 01:35:19.470
not available before. You could spend day after

01:35:19.470 --> 01:35:21.770
day after day watching YouTube videos and instructions

01:35:21.770 --> 01:35:24.810
and watching old fights too, man. Of course.

01:35:25.130 --> 01:35:27.390
Old fights is some of the best knowledge you're

01:35:27.390 --> 01:35:29.250
going to get. But having somebody like him that's

01:35:29.250 --> 01:35:32.590
also teaching it helps you a whole lot. Out of

01:35:32.590 --> 01:35:34.390
all the old fighters, is there one that really

01:35:34.390 --> 01:35:36.729
stands out to you that you enjoyed watching?

01:35:37.250 --> 01:35:39.270
Sugar Ray Robinson probably was the one I watched

01:35:39.270 --> 01:35:40.970
the most. But my favorite fighter of all time

01:35:40.970 --> 01:35:44.319
is Muhammad Ali. Muhammad Ali, Muhammad Ali,

01:35:44.579 --> 01:35:46.899
Sugar Ray Leonard, and Salvador Sanchez would

01:35:46.899 --> 01:35:49.579
be my second and third. Muhammad Ali, Sugar Ray

01:35:49.579 --> 01:35:52.399
Leonard, Salvador Sanchez. And you can mix them

01:35:52.399 --> 01:35:54.800
in a kind of way because I got my top three qualities

01:35:54.800 --> 01:35:57.460
from those three. What did you get from Muhammad

01:35:57.460 --> 01:36:00.680
Ali? How to be a showman and how to have class

01:36:00.680 --> 01:36:04.420
inside and outside of the ring. And how to outthink

01:36:04.420 --> 01:36:06.420
your opponent with your mind before you beat

01:36:06.420 --> 01:36:09.560
him with your fists. No one played better mind

01:36:09.560 --> 01:36:11.840
games than him. Exactly. And he was doing it

01:36:11.840 --> 01:36:13.979
back when nobody did. Exactly. The Sonny Liston

01:36:13.979 --> 01:36:16.720
fight. Exactly. They literally, they were almost

01:36:16.720 --> 01:36:18.140
not going to let him fight. They thought he was

01:36:18.140 --> 01:36:20.899
crazy. They're like, your heart, your blood pressure's

01:36:20.899 --> 01:36:22.399
off the charts, man. He did that every time.

01:36:22.399 --> 01:36:24.020
He did that every time, though. Because he got

01:36:24.020 --> 01:36:27.220
so hyper before he fought. Yeah. Yeah. But he

01:36:27.220 --> 01:36:30.649
was, man, what a unique human being. He was about

01:36:30.649 --> 01:36:32.609
as unique as it gets. I always point to people,

01:36:32.670 --> 01:36:35.550
too. I say, if you look at Muhammad Ali, you

01:36:35.550 --> 01:36:37.390
got to look at Muhammad Ali before they made

01:36:37.390 --> 01:36:39.750
him take three years off. You watch the Cleveland

01:36:39.750 --> 01:36:42.229
Big Cat Williams fight. I'm like, name a fucking

01:36:42.229 --> 01:36:44.630
heavyweight that moved like that. Not now. Not

01:36:44.630 --> 01:36:46.609
with that kind of speed. Not with that kind of

01:36:46.609 --> 01:36:49.090
footwork. I mean, come on. Footwork, precision,

01:36:49.489 --> 01:36:51.649
everything. They were faster than a middleweight.

01:36:52.420 --> 01:36:54.859
Literally. Literally. No bullshit. Literally.

01:36:54.939 --> 01:36:57.319
Faster than a middleweight and a full -blown

01:36:57.319 --> 01:37:00.640
heavyweight with length and reach and power and

01:37:00.640 --> 01:37:02.920
everything. Couldn't deal with it. And then also

01:37:02.920 --> 01:37:05.239
as a human being outside of the ring. I mean,

01:37:05.279 --> 01:37:08.319
a cultural force. I remember when I was a kid.

01:37:08.729 --> 01:37:11.850
My parents weren't boxing fans at all. But when

01:37:11.850 --> 01:37:14.590
Muhammad Ali was making that comeback fight against

01:37:14.590 --> 01:37:16.609
Leon Spinks, he lost to Spinks the first time,

01:37:16.630 --> 01:37:18.590
and then the second time they're fighting again,

01:37:18.750 --> 01:37:20.829
my parents watched it. They're like, we want

01:37:20.829 --> 01:37:23.130
to see him win the title back. And it wasn't,

01:37:23.130 --> 01:37:25.050
my parents were hippies. They weren't boxing

01:37:25.050 --> 01:37:28.649
fans, but he stood for more than boxing. He stood

01:37:28.649 --> 01:37:31.550
for what's good in the world. He stood for rejecting

01:37:31.550 --> 01:37:34.770
evil. There's a man who gave up his career because

01:37:34.770 --> 01:37:36.189
he didn't want to fight in Vietnam because he

01:37:36.189 --> 01:37:38.210
thought the war was wrong. And people don't understand,

01:37:38.289 --> 01:37:40.489
but that's the second reason I accepted the Russian

01:37:40.489 --> 01:37:43.909
citizenship. Because Muhammad Ali showed me that

01:37:43.909 --> 01:37:47.189
we live here as one. We shouldn't live as individuals.

01:37:47.449 --> 01:37:49.970
We should live here as one. Everybody should

01:37:49.970 --> 01:37:52.909
be respected, looked upon, equal. You understand

01:37:52.909 --> 01:37:55.590
me? And because the Russians did that, that's

01:37:55.590 --> 01:37:58.229
why I accepted. what they gave me because they're

01:37:58.229 --> 01:38:00.890
looking at me as equal. Not that I'm an athlete,

01:38:01.029 --> 01:38:02.789
not that I'm a boxer, not that I'm black, but

01:38:02.789 --> 01:38:05.149
that I'm equal and that they love what I did,

01:38:05.189 --> 01:38:07.510
they love what I stood for, and they would love

01:38:07.510 --> 01:38:09.829
to invite me to be a part of their culture as

01:38:09.829 --> 01:38:12.010
well as the United States. That's a beautiful

01:38:12.010 --> 01:38:16.130
way to look at it. You talk about a country that

01:38:16.130 --> 01:38:18.630
has a great history of combat sports, too, man.

01:38:18.649 --> 01:38:22.529
My God. Between wrestling, MMA, boxing. I mean,

01:38:22.550 --> 01:38:25.670
there's so many of these up -and -coming boxers

01:38:25.670 --> 01:38:29.069
now that also are these great fighters that happen

01:38:29.069 --> 01:38:31.130
to be Russian. But everything is carried over

01:38:31.130 --> 01:38:33.989
now because of the internet, people can now see

01:38:33.989 --> 01:38:36.619
things differently. You know, you can learn.

01:38:36.739 --> 01:38:38.220
Like I said, you can look at this and you can

01:38:38.220 --> 01:38:40.500
watch old fights over and over and learn what

01:38:40.500 --> 01:38:42.699
your favorite fighter did or what his attributes

01:38:42.699 --> 01:38:45.039
were or what you like about him, what made him

01:38:45.039 --> 01:38:46.659
great. That's why I used to look for what made

01:38:46.659 --> 01:38:49.560
people great. Like, you understand this. I got

01:38:49.560 --> 01:38:51.899
my left body shot from Eddie Mustafa Muhammad

01:38:51.899 --> 01:38:55.819
back when he was Eddie Gregory. Oh, wow. Wow.

01:38:57.039 --> 01:39:00.659
Priest Spinks. Exactly right. Wow. That's where

01:39:00.659 --> 01:39:03.189
I got my left level shot from. Eddie Gregory,

01:39:03.529 --> 01:39:06.189
also known as Eddie Mustafa. Who became a great

01:39:06.189 --> 01:39:07.890
trainer, too, by the way. You better believe

01:39:07.890 --> 01:39:11.050
it. Wow. That's old school, man. Yes, sir. And

01:39:11.050 --> 01:39:13.729
I got my defense. I could go a whole round without

01:39:13.729 --> 01:39:17.949
getting hit from Wilfred Benitez. Ah. Best defensive

01:39:17.949 --> 01:39:19.869
fighter besides Willie Pipp, I think, to ever

01:39:19.869 --> 01:39:21.930
live. He was pretty special. Well, you got to

01:39:21.930 --> 01:39:23.029
throw Pernell Whitaker in that mix, too. Well,

01:39:23.029 --> 01:39:24.850
he was good defensively, too, but he wasn't as

01:39:24.850 --> 01:39:28.750
defensively as those guys were. Hmm. Yeah. Yeah,

01:39:28.909 --> 01:39:32.850
I mean, there's so many greats to study and learn

01:39:32.850 --> 01:39:35.109
little bits and pieces from. I mean, that was

01:39:35.109 --> 01:39:37.130
one of the big things that Mike Tyson did, of

01:39:37.130 --> 01:39:40.250
course, is just spend a giant chunk of his youth

01:39:40.250 --> 01:39:42.310
watching video. And that's what people don't

01:39:42.310 --> 01:39:44.449
understand about Mike. Mike is very well versed

01:39:44.449 --> 01:39:46.430
in boxing. He knows what the hell he's doing.

01:39:46.609 --> 01:39:49.649
He knows how to solve a puzzle in a boxing ring.

01:39:49.789 --> 01:39:52.289
More so than anything else in life, he knows

01:39:52.289 --> 01:39:54.729
how to solve any riddle he needs to solve in

01:39:54.729 --> 01:39:56.689
a boxing ring. People don't give him enough credit

01:39:56.689 --> 01:39:59.010
for that. No, they don't. I mean, Mike Tyson,

01:39:59.130 --> 01:40:02.710
he's a fascinating human being. And his mind

01:40:02.710 --> 01:40:07.189
is, he has things that he focuses on. And that's

01:40:07.189 --> 01:40:09.390
where you find out who he is. When you talk to

01:40:09.390 --> 01:40:11.130
him about the things he focuses on. Because he

01:40:11.130 --> 01:40:12.850
knows a lot about the things that he focuses

01:40:12.850 --> 01:40:15.329
on. Exactly. A lot more than you ever expect.

01:40:15.750 --> 01:40:20.569
Yeah. He's intense. When he talks to you about

01:40:20.569 --> 01:40:23.130
the things that are interesting and important

01:40:23.130 --> 01:40:25.170
to him, you see that intensity. That's when it

01:40:25.170 --> 01:40:29.439
all comes out. Yeah. Now. you're 51 now yep what

01:40:29.439 --> 01:40:32.460
is the difference between training at 51 than

01:40:32.460 --> 01:40:35.859
training at 31. At 51, you need one or two more

01:40:35.859 --> 01:40:39.760
days to recover than you did at 31. Stuff that

01:40:39.760 --> 01:40:42.819
hurts, it hurts a little bit longer at 51 than

01:40:42.819 --> 01:40:44.680
it did at 31. Are you doing things differently?

01:40:44.840 --> 01:40:46.000
Yeah, you got to do things differently. You have

01:40:46.000 --> 01:40:47.840
to take days off a little bit more frequently

01:40:47.840 --> 01:40:49.699
than you would have wanted to back when you were

01:40:49.699 --> 01:40:52.199
31. When I was 31, I didn't need no days off.

01:40:52.319 --> 01:40:55.720
I'd go all the time. At 51, after about two or

01:40:55.720 --> 01:40:57.380
three days, you got to say, okay, let me hold

01:40:57.380 --> 01:40:59.579
up a minute because if you don't, that knee will

01:40:59.579 --> 01:41:01.899
say, okay, you might want to go. But I ain't

01:41:01.899 --> 01:41:07.340
going today. Right. So are you using any technology

01:41:07.340 --> 01:41:10.579
in terms of like heart rate monitors? No, you're

01:41:10.579 --> 01:41:12.640
just going by feel? I'm old school. You know

01:41:12.640 --> 01:41:15.420
me. Old school. Yeah, I do. I go by feel. I feel

01:41:15.420 --> 01:41:18.039
it today. I get it today. I don't feel it today.

01:41:18.119 --> 01:41:20.380
We'll rest and get it tomorrow. Are you using

01:41:20.380 --> 01:41:24.119
any new school recovery methods? Like are you

01:41:24.119 --> 01:41:27.020
using sauna? Are you using ice punches? I do

01:41:27.020 --> 01:41:31.060
a little ice. I did a couple little things. I

01:41:31.060 --> 01:41:33.199
tried one thing that made me stop. I was doing

01:41:33.199 --> 01:41:35.239
a thing called ProTech, I think, and they said

01:41:35.239 --> 01:41:36.659
I got to stop because it got something in it

01:41:36.659 --> 01:41:40.020
that didn't work. What is that? ProTech, it's

01:41:40.020 --> 01:41:41.680
a thing like they're giving you, it's for my

01:41:41.680 --> 01:41:44.079
knees, basically. And it's supposed to help get

01:41:44.079 --> 01:41:47.420
the cartilage back in my knees. Oh, okay. Wasn't

01:41:47.420 --> 01:41:49.300
working? It was working, but they said there

01:41:49.300 --> 01:41:51.670
are things that may not work. pass a test if

01:41:51.670 --> 01:41:53.310
you take a test. So you got to stop. You can't

01:41:53.310 --> 01:41:54.810
do that no more. So I couldn't do it. But I really

01:41:54.810 --> 01:41:56.550
enjoyed it because it made my knee feel a lot

01:41:56.550 --> 01:41:58.489
better. But they say you got to be careful now

01:41:58.489 --> 01:42:00.710
because I guess something on there may not. Some

01:42:00.710 --> 01:42:03.909
forbidden thing. It's called ProTech? It's called

01:42:03.909 --> 01:42:07.750
ProTech, yeah. See, what is that? Okay. I'm curious

01:42:07.750 --> 01:42:09.510
about that because my knees are all fucked up.

01:42:09.569 --> 01:42:12.149
Yeah. And I got a couple of people that can help

01:42:12.149 --> 01:42:13.529
you out with your knees though because there's

01:42:13.529 --> 01:42:16.390
another lady down where I live, Dr. Debra. She

01:42:16.390 --> 01:42:18.409
can really help your knees out too. She's also,

01:42:18.569 --> 01:42:20.800
she's the one who gave me the shot. With the

01:42:20.800 --> 01:42:22.680
protest, but she has another product that she

01:42:22.680 --> 01:42:25.939
uses that I think her is may pass test. So mm

01:42:25.939 --> 01:42:27.699
-hmm I don't know I'm not gonna take it this

01:42:27.699 --> 01:42:30.239
time though cause I was tried Disney said the

01:42:30.239 --> 01:42:32.600
doctor told me that I can't do it again So I

01:42:32.600 --> 01:42:34.699
got to stop now. What kind of testing are they

01:42:34.699 --> 01:42:36.500
doing for this fight? They said they do a regular

01:42:36.500 --> 01:42:38.500
fight testing So just like they would do in a

01:42:38.500 --> 01:42:41.000
normal fight We're gonna get tested as though

01:42:41.000 --> 01:42:43.000
we are regular athletes as though we're fighting

01:42:43.000 --> 01:42:46.229
a regular sanctioned fight Vada has already been

01:42:46.229 --> 01:42:49.090
to my house once. Vada? Yes. So you can't be

01:42:49.090 --> 01:42:51.510
on any testosterone replacement, no growth hormone,

01:42:51.729 --> 01:42:55.789
no peptides. Nope. No nothing. Just 51 years

01:42:55.789 --> 01:42:58.409
of life. Yep. And if you ain't got it in them

01:42:58.409 --> 01:43:00.529
51 years of life, then too bad you ain't getting

01:43:00.529 --> 01:43:05.430
it. Well, it certainly helps if you had it and

01:43:05.430 --> 01:43:07.229
never lost it. Right. And we were talking about

01:43:07.229 --> 01:43:09.850
that before we got here. Like you never stopped

01:43:09.850 --> 01:43:11.670
moving. I never stopped moving. That's a good

01:43:11.670 --> 01:43:14.880
thing for me. Yeah, it's when we were kids and

01:43:14.880 --> 01:43:16.779
we looked at 51 -year -olds. We thought they

01:43:16.779 --> 01:43:18.619
were super old. They were grandfathers. Yeah,

01:43:18.659 --> 01:43:20.859
they were dead. They were throwing triple F hooks

01:43:20.859 --> 01:43:24.560
at lightning speed. Not at 51. No, not at 51.

01:43:25.260 --> 01:43:28.619
Yeah, so just the days off, that's the only thing

01:43:28.619 --> 01:43:29.779
that's different. That's really the only thing.

01:43:29.779 --> 01:43:33.420
Well, I don't go as long. What's a typical session

01:43:33.420 --> 01:43:36.779
for you? A typical session is now 12 to 13, 12,

01:43:36.859 --> 01:43:40.779
maybe 15 rounds max. It used to be 16 to 24 rounds.

01:43:41.119 --> 01:43:45.600
Now it's like 12 to 15 max. And some of those

01:43:45.600 --> 01:43:47.800
are low -impact rounds because you don't want

01:43:47.800 --> 01:43:50.420
to overdo it because you do too much, tear the

01:43:50.420 --> 01:43:53.279
tendons in your arm again, mess your hands up

01:43:53.279 --> 01:43:55.020
again. You don't want to mess nothing up, but

01:43:55.020 --> 01:43:58.479
a fight does not happen. Now, do you have a person

01:43:58.479 --> 01:44:01.619
who's... making your schedule or do you do everything

01:44:01.619 --> 01:44:03.739
yourself? I do a little bit of it myself. I've

01:44:03.739 --> 01:44:07.439
got a few people to help out. My wife helps out

01:44:07.439 --> 01:44:09.460
some, but she's doing her thing with the She

01:44:09.460 --> 01:44:12.220
Warrior brand as well. So She Warrior, IamSheWarrior

01:44:12.220 --> 01:44:14.100
.com. Make sure y 'all check that. That's where

01:44:14.100 --> 01:44:15.920
you get your wife to stuff. Yes, thank you. So

01:44:15.920 --> 01:44:18.500
yeah, if you can pull it up, IamSheWarrior .com.

01:44:19.039 --> 01:44:22.140
So she helps you put your schedule together as

01:44:22.140 --> 01:44:23.539
well? She helps me put my schedule together and

01:44:23.539 --> 01:44:26.460
she trains with us every day. Really? Wow. Yeah,

01:44:26.460 --> 01:44:29.529
so it's all good. Yeah, we're doing some good

01:44:29.529 --> 01:44:30.930
things. There it is right here. Yeah, there it

01:44:30.930 --> 01:44:32.710
is. Oh, very nice. That's what I'm trying to

01:44:32.710 --> 01:44:34.989
get you. Embrace every challenge as a strong,

01:44:35.050 --> 01:44:40.090
confident woman you are. Yeah. Yeah. Now, what

01:44:40.090 --> 01:44:42.609
about when you were briefly talking about strength

01:44:42.609 --> 01:44:44.710
and conditioning, do you do strength and conditioning?

01:44:44.850 --> 01:44:47.170
Like you see a lot of these fighters are doing

01:44:47.170 --> 01:44:50.829
like circuit training, high intensity, you know,

01:44:50.829 --> 01:44:54.210
like kettlebells and ropes. Yeah, I do a little

01:44:54.210 --> 01:44:58.420
bit of that, but I don't make that. a vital part

01:44:58.420 --> 01:45:01.000
of my workout i get up and do it in the mornings

01:45:01.000 --> 01:45:03.699
like three or four days a week i got a friend

01:45:03.699 --> 01:45:05.659
named leaf usually he brings this guy over and

01:45:05.659 --> 01:45:07.500
we go to work we do it like three or four days

01:45:07.500 --> 01:45:10.319
a week and um but we don't make that a priority

01:45:10.319 --> 01:45:14.479
because i'm not a weightlifter i'm not a football

01:45:14.479 --> 01:45:18.319
player i'm a boxer right so boxing skills still

01:45:18.319 --> 01:45:21.119
should have to be the priority you want to be

01:45:21.119 --> 01:45:26.390
in shape too but don't mistake fitness over boxing

01:45:26.390 --> 01:45:29.989
skills. Some people now prefer fitness over boxing

01:45:29.989 --> 01:45:31.829
skills. But when you run into a guy that has

01:45:31.829 --> 01:45:34.729
boxing skills and a little bit of fitness, he

01:45:34.729 --> 01:45:37.489
gonna beat you. Yeah. The most important thing

01:45:37.489 --> 01:45:40.329
is efficiency and skill. Boxing skills. Yeah.

01:45:40.810 --> 01:45:43.869
How did that happen where this thing got confused

01:45:43.869 --> 01:45:46.989
that way? Well, I think what really happened

01:45:46.989 --> 01:45:48.909
is a lot of the foreigners started picking up

01:45:48.909 --> 01:45:51.470
a little bit of our boxing skills too. And they

01:45:51.470 --> 01:45:54.180
were always super fit. But they didn't have the

01:45:54.180 --> 01:45:56.079
boxing skills. Now that they have the internet,

01:45:56.300 --> 01:45:58.760
they can get the boxing skills. So they can pick

01:45:58.760 --> 01:46:01.159
up one or two little tricks, put it with that

01:46:01.159 --> 01:46:03.560
conditioning, and you're going to get beat. Because

01:46:03.560 --> 01:46:06.039
they can do this all night. Well, when you see

01:46:06.039 --> 01:46:09.439
a guy who's super strong and super fit and dominates

01:46:09.439 --> 01:46:12.340
people with that, it tempts people into thinking

01:46:12.340 --> 01:46:15.539
that that's the way. Like Arthur Bitterbeef.

01:46:15.680 --> 01:46:18.329
That's exactly right. Super strong guy. That

01:46:18.329 --> 01:46:21.210
motherfucker's a tank. A killer. He's such a

01:46:21.210 --> 01:46:23.409
tank. A killer. I love watching that guy fight.

01:46:23.770 --> 01:46:26.270
But he's been down twice, too, though. Yes, he

01:46:26.270 --> 01:46:28.569
has. But he gets in wars. Yeah. Yeah, he gets

01:46:28.569 --> 01:46:32.250
in wars. But that fucking guy, he is seek and

01:46:32.250 --> 01:46:34.590
destroy every fight. One of the strongest pound

01:46:34.590 --> 01:46:36.909
for pound punches I've ever seen. Ever. I mean,

01:46:36.930 --> 01:46:39.130
I'm a giant fan of his. And I love watching his

01:46:39.130 --> 01:46:40.930
fights because that's what you're going to get.

01:46:40.970 --> 01:46:42.710
You're going to get seek and destroy every fight.

01:46:42.869 --> 01:46:46.170
And see, the problem is, in our country, we don't.

01:46:46.359 --> 01:46:49.060
We're not open -minded enough to be able to see

01:46:49.060 --> 01:46:51.260
good fights no matter what race they are. Because

01:46:51.260 --> 01:46:54.920
if you think about it, Arthur Bitterbeer and

01:46:54.920 --> 01:46:59.199
B -Ball, Demetri B -Ball, will be a sugary little

01:46:59.199 --> 01:47:01.520
tamarind type fight right now. Huge. Right now.

01:47:01.760 --> 01:47:05.100
There he is. Look at that motherfucker. He's

01:47:05.100 --> 01:47:07.720
so jacked. These two guys can freaking punch

01:47:07.720 --> 01:47:10.819
and they both can fight. You feel me? Yeah. Well,

01:47:10.960 --> 01:47:14.199
I just think. People maybe don't have the understanding

01:47:14.199 --> 01:47:16.680
and appreciation of boxing as a whole as they

01:47:16.680 --> 01:47:19.100
used to back in your day. Yeah, we're more closed

01:47:19.100 --> 01:47:23.220
-minded. Well, it's just unfortunate because

01:47:23.220 --> 01:47:28.640
I think he's like 37 now. Getting to the later

01:47:28.640 --> 01:47:31.199
stages of his life. He's in his prime still,

01:47:31.340 --> 01:47:34.760
but he's like the outside edge is, how old is

01:47:34.760 --> 01:47:38.659
he? 35. Oh, that's not that bad. But still, you

01:47:38.659 --> 01:47:43.439
know, really. From 35 on is when, unless you're

01:47:43.439 --> 01:47:47.859
Bernard Hopkins. Fucking that guy, man. And again,

01:47:47.960 --> 01:47:49.800
but that guy speaks to discipline and boxing

01:47:49.800 --> 01:47:51.640
skill, right? Of course. I mean, that's what

01:47:51.640 --> 01:47:53.819
led Bernard Hopkins to have such an incredible

01:47:53.819 --> 01:47:55.779
career. That's right, because of the boxing skills,

01:47:55.899 --> 01:48:00.199
not just. strength and conditioning, but boxing

01:48:00.199 --> 01:48:02.300
skills along with a little strength and conditioning.

01:48:02.520 --> 01:48:05.060
I remember back when he was the executioner,

01:48:05.060 --> 01:48:08.340
when he fought Felix Trinidad. People were already

01:48:08.340 --> 01:48:10.060
counting him out. They were like, he's too old.

01:48:10.239 --> 01:48:12.560
And you think about, he knocked out Felix Trinidad.

01:48:12.699 --> 01:48:17.159
I want to say he was like 36 back then. And that

01:48:17.159 --> 01:48:19.479
was just the beginning. That was just the beginning.

01:48:19.539 --> 01:48:21.960
He went on to have this incredible career post

01:48:21.960 --> 01:48:24.960
-36. And he won't tell nobody the truth ever,

01:48:25.100 --> 01:48:27.319
but he came to Pensacola before he did that.

01:48:27.800 --> 01:48:30.600
and asked me what should he do now, because he

01:48:30.600 --> 01:48:32.539
really wanted to fight McGann 200 cents, but

01:48:32.539 --> 01:48:34.779
it wasn't really the money that he wanted. So

01:48:34.779 --> 01:48:36.640
I told him, listen, you could beat all those

01:48:36.640 --> 01:48:39.739
small guys. Go down one, fight Felix Trinidad,

01:48:40.039 --> 01:48:43.180
Oscar De La Hoya, be your name back up, and you'll

01:48:43.180 --> 01:48:45.979
get someone. And he did exactly that. I know

01:48:45.979 --> 01:48:47.439
he won't ever tell him about the truth that I

01:48:47.439 --> 01:48:50.180
told him that, but I did. And I ain't got no

01:48:50.180 --> 01:48:53.319
reason to lie to you. I did. Just like I told

01:48:53.319 --> 01:48:56.100
Tyson Fury that if he just took five years of

01:48:56.100 --> 01:48:59.399
his life. and dedicated back to boxing, he beat

01:48:59.399 --> 01:49:01.079
the majority of the heavyweights out there today

01:49:01.079 --> 01:49:03.619
because the ones that are on top, mentally, he

01:49:03.619 --> 01:49:06.039
can beat them. He's mentally better than most

01:49:06.039 --> 01:49:07.880
of them, but he's got to dedicate himself to

01:49:07.880 --> 01:49:09.779
the sport. And look where he's at right now.

01:49:10.010 --> 01:49:12.989
Well, it's funny that when you talk to Tyson

01:49:12.989 --> 01:49:15.609
Fury, his father told him to not take the first

01:49:15.609 --> 01:49:17.930
Deontay Wilder fight. He said, you're not ready.

01:49:18.170 --> 01:49:20.890
He said, you haven't fully recovered physically

01:49:20.890 --> 01:49:23.329
from all the years of drinking and abuse that

01:49:23.329 --> 01:49:26.789
he's put on his body. After he beat Vladimir

01:49:26.789 --> 01:49:29.130
Klitschko and won the title, he kind of went

01:49:29.130 --> 01:49:31.770
crazy for a while. He was open about that, about

01:49:31.770 --> 01:49:34.930
his issues with alcoholism and mental illness.

01:49:35.189 --> 01:49:37.850
But his father was like, you haven't come back

01:49:37.850 --> 01:49:40.380
yet. You're not all the way back. So they have

01:49:40.380 --> 01:49:42.960
that fight. Fight ends in a draw. Crazy fight.

01:49:43.279 --> 01:49:46.899
And then the rematch. Jesus Christ. It was like

01:49:46.899 --> 01:49:50.739
seeing him take it to Deontay Wilder. You want

01:49:50.739 --> 01:49:52.939
to talk about a hard puncher. Deontay Wilder

01:49:52.939 --> 01:49:54.779
is one of the freakiest punchers I've ever seen

01:49:54.779 --> 01:49:58.619
in my life. Freaky. Freaky powerful. With the

01:49:58.619 --> 01:50:01.739
right hand especially. Yeah, freaky. When he

01:50:01.739 --> 01:50:03.600
knocked out Ortiz with that right hand to the

01:50:03.600 --> 01:50:05.920
forehead and just flatlined him, he was like,

01:50:05.939 --> 01:50:07.960
he's sitting there like, what in the fuck just

01:50:07.960 --> 01:50:12.979
happened? He's just crazy power, but Tyson Fury's

01:50:12.979 --> 01:50:15.619
boxing skill, his boxing skill, and the fact

01:50:15.619 --> 01:50:18.760
that he started training with Sugar Hill, cronk

01:50:18.760 --> 01:50:22.479
fighter before that, cronk trainer, and had that

01:50:22.479 --> 01:50:26.180
super aggressive in -your -face style and just

01:50:26.180 --> 01:50:28.420
really used those boxing skills and got super

01:50:28.420 --> 01:50:30.619
aggressive in the rematch and had Deontay on

01:50:30.619 --> 01:50:33.739
the back heel. That was the main thing. And when

01:50:33.739 --> 01:50:36.180
you're not as powerful as Deontay, you have to

01:50:36.180 --> 01:50:39.199
think of other ways to do it. And the fact that

01:50:39.199 --> 01:50:41.159
when they fight Tyson Fury, same thing happened

01:50:41.159 --> 01:50:44.060
with Klitschko. They're not punching down or

01:50:44.060 --> 01:50:46.579
straight ahead. They got to punch up. That takes

01:50:46.579 --> 01:50:49.000
a lot of power away from those good right -hand

01:50:49.000 --> 01:50:51.560
punchers. So if you have a good Joe Frazier -type,

01:50:51.680 --> 01:50:53.819
George Foreman -type hook or Ken Norton -type

01:50:53.819 --> 01:50:56.300
hook, then you're going to be in trouble if you

01:50:56.300 --> 01:50:58.460
got to punch up here. The hook is still deadly

01:50:58.460 --> 01:51:00.579
up here, but the right hand going up here takes

01:51:00.579 --> 01:51:02.260
a little bit off of it. That's just the law of

01:51:02.260 --> 01:51:04.039
gravity. If you don't know that, there's something

01:51:04.039 --> 01:51:06.229
wrong with them. I was just amazed that he got

01:51:06.229 --> 01:51:08.210
up after the 12th round of the first fight. I

01:51:08.210 --> 01:51:11.350
was too. I was too. I truly was too. When you

01:51:11.350 --> 01:51:13.649
know what a crusher Deontay is, and the fact

01:51:13.649 --> 01:51:15.590
that he went right hand and then left hook on

01:51:15.590 --> 01:51:17.510
the way down, and then went like this because

01:51:17.510 --> 01:51:19.729
he's like, it's over. And that's what really

01:51:19.729 --> 01:51:21.890
shocked him the most. That put him in a state

01:51:21.890 --> 01:51:25.289
of shock for Fury to come off of that floor and

01:51:25.289 --> 01:51:27.449
come back the way he did. And come back and win

01:51:27.449 --> 01:51:29.130
the rest of the round. He'd never had nobody

01:51:29.130 --> 01:51:31.069
do that to him before in his life, I guarantee

01:51:31.069 --> 01:51:33.939
you. No, no. I guarantee you. I couldn't believe

01:51:33.939 --> 01:51:35.840
he did it. Guaranteed. He never had nobody in

01:51:35.840 --> 01:51:39.140
his life to do him like Tyson Fury did that in

01:51:39.140 --> 01:51:40.960
his life. I think that's one of the greatest

01:51:40.960 --> 01:51:43.399
comebacks ever in a round. Without a question.

01:51:43.619 --> 01:51:46.420
To have him flat. I thought it was over. I remember

01:51:46.420 --> 01:51:49.300
watching it at home. I went, oh! I'm going to

01:51:49.300 --> 01:51:53.079
see the front of my bed going, oh! 12th round!

01:51:53.619 --> 01:51:56.659
Stopped him in the 12th round. And Deontay, 209

01:51:56.659 --> 01:51:59.439
pounds for that fight. Which is crazy. I mean.

01:51:59.880 --> 01:52:02.399
He's about as light as anyone who's ever fought

01:52:02.399 --> 01:52:06.020
for the title and been a title holder. And then

01:52:06.020 --> 01:52:08.600
also you think about how many fights he won by

01:52:08.600 --> 01:52:12.020
KO. He won all his fights by KO except one. But

01:52:12.020 --> 01:52:14.000
that hurt him, though, because he never had to

01:52:14.000 --> 01:52:17.640
box. So now he don't know how to box and go that

01:52:17.640 --> 01:52:20.439
way. I mean, no, go this way. He knows how to

01:52:20.439 --> 01:52:22.100
go this way, but he never had to learn how to

01:52:22.100 --> 01:52:24.560
box and go that way. And that hurt him. when

01:52:24.560 --> 01:52:26.640
you met somebody that can fight going both ways

01:52:26.640 --> 01:52:28.680
right so the first way tyson fear fought him

01:52:28.680 --> 01:52:30.899
going like this second way tyson fear fought

01:52:30.899 --> 01:52:33.340
him going like this straightforward yeah what

01:52:33.340 --> 01:52:35.739
would you what advice would you give dionte like

01:52:35.739 --> 01:52:38.220
if he came to you if he's listening to this because

01:52:38.220 --> 01:52:41.020
i've heard that floyd is interested in training

01:52:41.020 --> 01:52:43.800
him but if he came to you what advice would you

01:52:43.800 --> 01:52:46.539
give to him well we go back to learning how to

01:52:46.539 --> 01:52:50.949
use our jab and developing our left hand Because

01:52:50.949 --> 01:52:52.689
once we develop the left hand, the right hand

01:52:52.689 --> 01:52:54.909
already left. We don't need that. We learn how

01:52:54.909 --> 01:52:57.350
to operate with developing that left hand. We

01:52:57.350 --> 01:52:59.930
develop that left hand, make it become a weapon

01:52:59.930 --> 01:53:03.029
before the right hand. Now it's hard to beat

01:53:03.029 --> 01:53:05.069
us with the left hand. If we add the right to

01:53:05.069 --> 01:53:08.470
it, we're unstoppable. So you would concentrate

01:53:08.470 --> 01:53:10.670
on the left hand? Right away. Right away. How

01:53:10.670 --> 01:53:12.510
much time would you give him? If you said, like,

01:53:12.510 --> 01:53:15.149
if we have all the time in the world, it's up

01:53:15.149 --> 01:53:17.909
to you to pick when the next fight is. How much

01:53:17.909 --> 01:53:19.989
time would you like to see him spend working

01:53:19.989 --> 01:53:22.109
on something like that? Six months. Six months.

01:53:22.270 --> 01:53:25.470
Yep. Six months and nobody would beat him again.

01:53:25.810 --> 01:53:27.470
They'd have a hard time beating him again, I

01:53:27.470 --> 01:53:29.970
should say. But it'd take him six months. What

01:53:29.970 --> 01:53:32.649
would you want him to do with his footwork? Because

01:53:32.649 --> 01:53:34.569
one of the things about Deontay is he throws

01:53:34.569 --> 01:53:36.569
everything into his punches and sometimes...

01:53:36.569 --> 01:53:38.010
And that's what we would change. That's why we

01:53:38.010 --> 01:53:40.010
would focus on the left hand more. Because the

01:53:40.010 --> 01:53:41.550
left hand right now, he don't think it's a killer

01:53:41.550 --> 01:53:43.489
hand. He throws a jab with it, but he looking

01:53:43.489 --> 01:53:45.210
to kill with the right hand. Right. But we got

01:53:45.210 --> 01:53:47.609
to become, you got to make him diverse. You got

01:53:47.609 --> 01:53:48.949
to be able to kill with the left or the right.

01:53:49.329 --> 01:53:52.649
And you got to make everything used as a unit.

01:53:53.130 --> 01:53:54.789
You got to make him use everything as a unit.

01:53:54.890 --> 01:53:56.409
If you don't make him use everything as a unit,

01:53:56.590 --> 01:53:59.149
then it's not good for him. So to focus on one

01:53:59.149 --> 01:54:01.630
punch kind of takes everything else out the game.

01:54:01.750 --> 01:54:03.010
If that one punch don't work, what are we going

01:54:03.010 --> 01:54:05.760
to do now? Now, in his struggles with backing

01:54:05.760 --> 01:54:07.800
up and moving back, what would you have him do

01:54:07.800 --> 01:54:09.180
with that? Would you have him concentrate on

01:54:09.180 --> 01:54:12.560
cutting angles? No. We know how to fix that too,

01:54:12.640 --> 01:54:15.180
but that's part of that jab. Right. You know,

01:54:15.180 --> 01:54:17.140
it's how we use the left hand. The left hand

01:54:17.140 --> 01:54:18.520
is going to allow us to go in every direction

01:54:18.520 --> 01:54:20.960
whenever we need to. But the left hand is most

01:54:20.960 --> 01:54:24.060
important. The left hand and feet as defense.

01:54:24.659 --> 01:54:26.539
Now, do you ever reach out to fighters? Like

01:54:26.539 --> 01:54:28.460
you see a fighter like that have a loss? No.

01:54:28.600 --> 01:54:30.720
Now, the only fighter I ever tried to reach out

01:54:30.720 --> 01:54:35.619
to was... I forget the guy's name, Linares. Well,

01:54:35.659 --> 01:54:37.880
Linares was about to fight Lobanchenko because

01:54:37.880 --> 01:54:39.920
I knew it was going to be a good fight. And I

01:54:39.920 --> 01:54:41.939
was going to reach out to him, but he had to

01:54:41.939 --> 01:54:43.180
train, so I didn't even reach out to him. But

01:54:43.180 --> 01:54:45.399
if he would have asked, I would have accepted

01:54:45.399 --> 01:54:47.460
that because that's a hard fight for him to fight.

01:54:47.699 --> 01:54:50.319
And I know Linares, he's a good guy, but he had

01:54:50.319 --> 01:54:52.359
a chance to win that fight. But the way they

01:54:52.359 --> 01:54:54.300
trained him to fight, it took all of it away.

01:54:56.479 --> 01:55:00.410
It's interesting because you, as a... multiple

01:55:00.410 --> 01:55:02.949
division world champion, but also a commentator,

01:55:02.949 --> 01:55:05.689
when you were doing it for HBO, you could point

01:55:05.689 --> 01:55:08.770
out little things. Right away. Yeah. Did you

01:55:08.770 --> 01:55:10.409
ever have fighters come up to you and thank you

01:55:10.409 --> 01:55:12.630
for that point? Thank me, tell me what I told

01:55:12.630 --> 01:55:14.689
them, tell me what I said they need to get better

01:55:14.689 --> 01:55:16.789
at, tell me I made them a better fighter if they

01:55:16.789 --> 01:55:18.310
listened to the commentary and saw the mistakes

01:55:18.310 --> 01:55:20.890
that they were making. So often I can look at

01:55:20.890 --> 01:55:23.109
a guy and break him down right away. It's also

01:55:23.109 --> 01:55:25.329
got to be crazy for a fighter to be fighting.

01:55:25.979 --> 01:55:28.899
And, I mean, I know there's a giant amount of

01:55:28.899 --> 01:55:30.960
them that were huge Roy Jones Jr. fans, and now

01:55:30.960 --> 01:55:33.239
they're looking over, and you're talking about

01:55:33.239 --> 01:55:34.899
them while they're fighting. That's got to be

01:55:34.899 --> 01:55:36.880
a trip. My guy got Andrew. I think it's Andrew

01:55:36.880 --> 01:55:38.300
Murphy's last name. I ain't sure what Andrew's

01:55:38.300 --> 01:55:40.340
last name is. But Andrew, he always says, they

01:55:40.340 --> 01:55:43.579
say, I'm so amazed still that I'm here taking

01:55:43.579 --> 01:55:45.880
instructions from you. You understand me? And

01:55:45.880 --> 01:55:48.260
Bryant says it, too. So it's just they always,

01:55:48.520 --> 01:55:51.619
they're happy to be there. So I got another kid

01:55:51.619 --> 01:55:53.520
named Mark, too. I forgot, from Mobile, Alabama.

01:55:53.939 --> 01:55:56.300
And Waylon. Waylon, my next door neighbor, 15

01:55:56.300 --> 01:55:59.359
years old. He's going to be a banger, too. But

01:55:59.359 --> 01:56:01.760
they love taking instruction from me, and I enjoy

01:56:01.760 --> 01:56:03.880
it. So it's all good. Well, it's obvious that

01:56:03.880 --> 01:56:06.300
you enjoy it. And for them, first of all, it's

01:56:06.300 --> 01:56:08.640
an amazing honor for them. But also, it's got

01:56:08.640 --> 01:56:11.869
to be so motivational. Yeah. You know? It is.

01:56:11.970 --> 01:56:14.369
And I think for them to really see me still getting

01:56:14.369 --> 01:56:17.609
active at 51, now they're like, wow, he still

01:56:17.609 --> 01:56:20.390
does it like that. So now we understand what

01:56:20.390 --> 01:56:22.649
he's saying. Because how can we be slower than

01:56:22.649 --> 01:56:25.810
him? He's 51. And we can't do it that fast. So

01:56:25.810 --> 01:56:27.770
we got problems. Yes, y 'all got major issues.

01:56:28.449 --> 01:56:32.779
Now get off your asses and let's go. Well, it's

01:56:32.779 --> 01:56:34.840
just beautiful to see how much energy you have

01:56:34.840 --> 01:56:36.899
and how much enthusiasm you have. And that's

01:56:36.899 --> 01:56:39.420
really what life's all about, right? Yes, it

01:56:39.420 --> 01:56:41.779
is, man. It's about having energy, being a positive

01:56:41.779 --> 01:56:44.659
force in the world, and just helping other people.

01:56:44.899 --> 01:56:46.579
If you do that, you're doing the right thing.

01:56:46.640 --> 01:56:48.220
If you're not doing that, then you're almost

01:56:48.220 --> 01:56:50.770
wasting time. Because why did God give you life

01:56:50.770 --> 01:56:51.869
if you're not going to help the next person?

01:56:52.149 --> 01:56:54.289
Beautiful. I love it. Roy Jones Jr., November

01:56:54.289 --> 01:56:56.250
28th. I'm going to be watching. I think I'm going

01:56:56.250 --> 01:56:57.649
to be there. I think I'm going to go. I hope

01:56:57.649 --> 01:56:58.710
you're out there. I think I'm going to go. I

01:56:58.710 --> 01:57:00.489
think I'm allowed to go if I just have to take

01:57:00.489 --> 01:57:02.470
a COVID test and I can sit. I really appreciate

01:57:02.470 --> 01:57:04.430
it. I would love for you to be there. I'm starting

01:57:04.430 --> 01:57:06.489
a YouTube channel too soon. So if you want to

01:57:06.489 --> 01:57:07.909
look out for that. Well, let me know what that

01:57:07.909 --> 01:57:09.630
is and I will promote that for you. I'll let

01:57:09.630 --> 01:57:11.270
everybody know. And I'll be back on here soon

01:57:11.270 --> 01:57:13.090
too. Let's do it. Thank you, sir. Appreciate

01:57:13.090 --> 01:57:15.329
you very much, man. Thank you. Roy Jones Jr.

01:57:15.670 --> 01:57:16.130
See ya.