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Good to see you, my friend. Good to see you,
man. The world's on fire. World is on fire. Good
time for you to come in. Whoo, I mean I literally
I mean talked about being addicted to your scroll
I got a really put the fucking phone down sometimes.
I know yeah, it's not good No, I'm good for your
brain to see all the problems of the world all
pilot and everything looks like it's about to
blow up Yeah, Iran looks like it's about to blow
up. They're talking about going to Cuba on lemon
went to jail It's like it's all crazy It's like
what you know when jail gives you lemons And
it's also like, what's that whole theory about
we're only supposed to be exposed to, like, 200
people in our life? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's
Dunbar's number. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Well, you
only can keep that many people in your head.
But you should only know about that many divorces
and that much cheating and that much killing
as would happen within 200. And crime. And you
fill in the blank. Right. You know, fraud, waste,
abuse, international politics, restrictions on
speech in England. Yeah. This is a fucking crazy
story. This guy in England, an illegal alien,
was a squatter in his house. The court ruled
that because he didn't live in the house, the
guy didn't live in the house, it was an empty
house, they gave him the house. They gave the
squatter the house. The squatter sold it for
540 grand. The squatter sold his house. Took
his house because he was living it. And this
guy was like a pensioner. He was just a guy who
had like an extra house like a fucking Investment
property. You're right and this guy moved into
it. Have you seen it Jamie? I Don't know somebody
sent it to me today. They had that in New York
it back in the 70s and 80s There was a lot of
empty units like down on the Lower East Side
Like Tompkins Square Park area. There was a lot
of squatting. Yeah, this is it Squatter moved
in the pinchers empty home then won the legal
right to keep it and sold the house for 500 I
guess 540 is that euros or pounds is that pounds?
What's that? Yeah, England has pants. That's
fucking crazy So crazy England has lost its fucking
mind. It's almost like they want people to either
revolt or Completely submit it's one or the other
It's like you're either begging for a revolution
or you're begging for people to completely submit.
They've arrested 12 ,000 people this year for
social media posts. Oh, that's right. And most
of it is criticizing immigration. Just criticizing
immigration. Just saying immigration sucks. We
should send these people back home. Cops show
up at your door. Right. Crazy. Well, TikTok is
now not allowing people to post anything that
is anti -ice. Not that not just that you can't
post the juice box emoji. What's that because
it's code for Jews Because people were using
it because they were they were blocking content
where they were criticizing Israel Wait, why
is the juice box Jews? I don't know juice juice
It is funny but Did they block the use this is
somebody sent me this I haven't verified this
they blocked the use of the word Epstein I'm
out on the app, but I saw a video of someone
trying, you know, yeah, let's run that through
perplexity See if perplexity will rat out tick
-tock Right cuz that's um, it's so crazy. They
would do it because they just purchased it, right?
So it was just purchased by some What is the
group? Is it did Larry Ellison's group purchase
it? Yes. Okay, which is a tremendous supporter
of Netanyahu in Israel Right. So yeah, there
you go. So you got censored news now So any criticism
of Palestine what's going on in Gaza? All that
stuff's gonna get squashed probably Ticktock
says does not have a rule that bans or blocks
the word Epstein across the app But many us users
have recently been unable to send that word in
direct messages And what I have a friend His
name is Bobby Epstein. Totally unrelated. He's
the guy who owns the Koda racetrack. He's a good
friend of mine. I can't send a message saying
I was just talking to my friend Bobby Epstein.
Oh, no shit. That's crazy. Wow. Epstein is a
super common name. Yeah. That's a super, it's
like Jones. It was on Welcome Back, Cotter. Right.
Yeah. Epstein from Welcome Back, Cotter, that's
right. You can't talk about him anymore. He played
my brother on news radio. No. Yes. Him, Nick
DePaulo, and Brian Callan played my brothers,
and we all just beat the shit out of each other
through the entire episode. It was hilarious.
It's amazing. They had Nick threw me through
a play glass window, and then the brother shows
up. Epstein was a priest, and he showed up with
a bat, and we were all scared. of our older brother.
It was really funny. He was the Jew, the Puerto
Rican Jew from Brooklyn. He's great. He's a really
nice guy too. So what else does it say here?
Newsom to probe claims of Trump critical censorship
on TikTok. I think they're fucking blocking a
lot of things on certain social media. platforms.
What's your big picture take on whether or not
social media platforms, which are privately owned,
have a responsibility that, say, regular broadcast
networks would have in terms of not censoring
things? problem is they censor things. They don't
just report on the news. They report on what
they decide they're going to report on. It's
a CNN hourly news segment. They have no responsibility
to tell you about any particular story. None.
Zero. So they'll wait until something becomes
unmanageable before they'll start talking about
it. So if something starts getting traction on
social media, like some sort of a corruption
scandal, if it's a left -wing scandal, they can
ignore it. And they have no obligation. It's
not like we have to tell you about these very...
It's not like we ran it through AI, there's 20
things that the American public has to know about.
So they censor, or at least they curate the content.
I think for social media platforms, if Elon Musk
didn't buy Twitter, we would be fucked. because
there would be no place where you could say whatever
you want, even heinous things, right? But if
someone says heinous things, you can block them
and not interact with them. And you can let other
people tear them down and tear them apart. And
that's how it's supposed to be. It's supposed
to be, you don't counter hate speech with censorship.
You counter it with better speech. And you appeal
to rational people and sensible people that go,
this is why this guy is wrong. This is why racism
is wrong. This is why rash generalizations are
wrong. This is why it's wrong. Yeah, and that's
how you're supposed to do it It's supposed to
be a free speech town hall platform It's supposed
to be like the town square where everybody can
get together and talk about ideas And that's
how it should be right and there's been a lot
of calls that say that you shouldn't be able
to be Anonymous on social media that you should
have consequences for your actions The problem
with that is, then you lose all your whistleblowers,
right? All the whistleblowers that are talking
about giant corporations that are doing horrible
things to the environment, secretly in other
countries, which we find out about all the time.
Like the Stephen Dozinger case where that guy
got arrested, he was prosecuted. Was it Exxon,
the Dozinger case? But it's like whistleblowers
are important. Yes. You know, and if you don't
have whistleblowers, you don't find out. Like
if Edward Snowden doesn't come out, we know so
little about the NSA. We know so little about
government spying. And yeah, he's an American
former attorney known for his legal bout of Chevron,
particularly with. So he was arrested and he
went to jail, man, for criminal contempt. I mean,
that's First Amendment, isn't it? I don't know
exactly the details of the case. He spent 45
days in prison and a combined total of 993 days
under house arrest. Wow. Not only do they go
to jail, it depletes all your savings. If they
decide to prosecute you, your life is ruined.
That's part of the point of it all. It's to also
discourage other people from doing the same thing.
So if you're an attorney and you're thinking
of prosecuting ... Shell you're not gonna do
that. Yeah, fuck this. You know, I have a fucking
house, right? I'm trying to buy a Porsche You
know, I mean yeah, it's uh, it's a it's a It's
a weird thing because I know right now to cover
the Pentagon, no journalist can go into the Pentagon
unless they sign an agreement to only put out
government -sponsored press releases. Government
approved? Government approved. So now you've
got very few people inside the Pentagon, which
is where the whistleblowing was happening. They're
in the back halls of the Pentagon. That's crazy.
But then you see the problem with the Pentagon
is you're talking about national security. And
if someone released something like the name of
an agent that was undercover somewhere and something
happened, that person got killed or compromised
or some sort of a national security interest,
you know, was the whole thing was tanked. Yeah,
that's the Pentagon's different. I mean, I'm
not saying that the press shouldn't have access
to Pentagon officials. They certainly should.
But it's like going there is kind of different,
right? It's like the FBI just arrested, they
just had a giant sweep on gangs in this country
today. They just released that they found like,
I think it was 10 kilos of drugs, they arrested
50 people. Like cartel gangs? Cartels in America.
And so they made a giant arrest today. I think
they arrested 200. See if you can find what that
story is. But like imagine if you were in the
FBI office and you heard about an imminent attack
and you printed something. Like if you're a reporter,
and you're covering this stuff, and you have
access to this information somehow, and it gets
released, and these guys find out about it, and
they skate. They nabbed 50 Latin Kings in Operation
Broken Crown after a three -month sweep. So what
is the details of it? Okay, last three months,
the FBI has quietly executed... Okay, this is
on X. Quietly executed, Operation Broken Crown,
a sweeping violent gang takedown involving 13
field offices targeting the Latin Kings gangs,
members which were publicly threatening law enforcement
officers, 50 arrests, $200 ,000 in seized assets,
seizure of 10 kilos of illicit narcotics. Interesting.
Interesting. Well, so like that kind of a situation
you can't have access to that information before
they do it that has to be very tight -lipped
You know, there's only a few of those kind of
scenarios that I can imagine but when it comes
to like Politicians and backdoor deals like there
should be live footage of it Well, you only found
out about the bomb the illegal bombings in Cambodia
because there was a whistleblower inside of the
Pentagon exactly Exactly, so it does you do need
some access. Yeah, but it's like what you need
whistleblowers, right? Right. It's like how many
people there's here's the thing about like intelligence
agencies There's a lot of good people that are
working there It's like we judge them based on
the evil people that are probably the ones with
the most power You know, yes There's probably
a lot of like mid -level people working at the
Pentagon working at the sea at working everywhere
that are good people Are you kidding me? These
are people that have dedicated their lives to
trying to you know, I believe same way with cops
I think yeah, I got I got three good buddies
that are cops and they are Absolutely went into
it the same the way a social worker goes into
it. Yes, and then there's evil ones that You
know, I think it was worse I think back, like,
you know, back in the days of, like, Serpico,
you ever see that movie? Like, it was literally
like the entire force was in on it. You know,
there was fucking legal gambling, legal drug
dealing. Nobody got touched. Yep, yep. Yeah,
they've always done that. I mean, that's how
they ran the mob in Vegas. Yeah, the mob ran
Vegas with the cops. Oh, yeah. We're just talking
about that outside. Why was Vegas in Atlantic
City the only places allowed? I don't know why
I asked that. Like, he's like, because of the
mob, asshole. Well, it was the mob. And I think
Nevada, there was also see if this is true. There
was supposedly a connection between the testing
of nuclear weapons and then allowing the city
or the state rather to have gambling because
Nevada was one of the rare places where they
Like routinely tested nuclear weapons. Oh, yeah
I don't know if you've ever seen the video that
shows a history of all the atomic bombs going
off in the United States The video is crazy because
it starts with the first test starts with the
Trinity test starts They do the couple in the
ocean. What's the matter? What's so funny? What
is it I asked if there's a connection between
nuclear tests and gambling in Las Vegas and Turns
out yet. They would use it as a theme to attract
gamblers What? Come see a bomb. From the early
1950s to the 1960s Las Vegas casinos and tourism
promoters actively used nearby nuclear weapons
tests as themed attraction to draw gamblers and
visitors. Holy shit man. Bomb parties. Oh my
god, they had bomb parties on the rooftop. They
would watch, they'd stay up gambling, drinking,
and then step outside to watch the blast on the
horizon. Wow. Oh my god. Dude, it's like how
Caesar's does fireworks now. They had atomic
themed promotions, atomic cocktails, atomic hairdos,
nuclear pinup imagery like Miss Atomic Blast.
Slogans like Atomic City USA. and up in Adam
to tie the test directly to Vegas nightlife and
gambling culture. Holy shit, man. I wonder if
you could place bets. Dude, I bet your eyebrows
singed off. I don't know if they had the same
thing like what they have now with modern prediction
betting. Prediction betting, you can bet on pretty
much everything. I just made a bet last night
on... Go back down to where you were. In short,
nuclear weapons tests near Las Vegas were not
just a backdrop. They were deliberately woven
into casino marketing, party culture, and tourism
that supported the city's gambling economy. Here's
my question. Was Nevada allowed to have gambling
because of them allowing nuclear tests? Like,
was there any sort of an agreement? Because there's
only two states at that time that allowed casinos,
like, real casinos. And it seems kind of weird
that one of them, you know, New Jersey's always
been fucking corrupt. That's the Sopranos. I
mean, it's like the most mob -ridden fucking
state in the country at the time. Based in Atlantic
City, pretty much. Yeah, I mean, cut the fucking
shit. Atlantic City. And then Vegas was Bugsy
Siegel, right? Okay, well since Nevada legalized
most forced gambling in 31. Okay, so it doesn't
make any sense because it's before that So it's
the Great Depression economic measure tractors.
So no, so that that theory doesn't hold up I
didn't know that Vegas was started 31. That's
nuts. So basically the Great Depression started
and then they launched Vegas as a as a way to
raise money Which is hilarious. You have no money.
There's no jobs. Why don't you gamble? What?
My gamble is going to the food line, seeing if
I can get a loaf of bread. That's my gamble today.
You know what's crazy is that lake keeps drying
up because they were having a drought. They keep
finding bodies in the lake. Oh, no shit. Oh,
yeah, yeah, yeah. Like those metal barrels with
like bodies inside of them. They've found quite
a few of them. How many bodies have they found?
Is it Lake Mead, I believe? Yes, as it's drying
up. It's at like it was I think it's probably
picked up a little bit But at one point in time
was at a historic low yeah, and so they were
finding these fucking dead bodies I think they
found like a half a dozen of them And I think
they think there's a whole lot more in there
no shit as of last latest reporting at least
six separate discoveries of human remains Yeah,
we're made in Lake Mead in 2022 as the water
level dropped represent representing at least
several different individuals Find out that thing
where they stopped searching for guns and bodies
I think it was in MacArthur Park and why they
did that David tell back in his insomniac days
used to hang it he hang out hung out with some
dark motherfuckers in New York and he used to
bring this guy in who was a he was a New York
City cop and they basically said we'll double
your pay and give you early retirement if you
put on a frog suit every night and you go out
into I think it was Flushing Bay one of the bays
out in Queens, which was a famous place where
the mob was dropping bodies and The guy would
go into the water in a frog suit and he'd wait
by this bridge and when they drop a body He'd
fucking call it in and he did that the night
shift and he'd finish that and he'd come into
the comedy cellar at like 4 a .m So you're waiting
the ocean a scuba suit drop a body. Yeah Holy
shit, they were dropping that many bodies that
you can just wait for. That's so crazy. Searcher
MacArthur Park for guns and possible bodies was
stopped because authorities said it was an unpermitted
and potentially unsafe operation on city park
property. Okay, so it was a businessman. So it
was a private thing. So that's probably what
it was. So officials official reasons given organizers
led by businessman John I don't know how to spell
his name a LLE. How do you say that ale LA? Plan
to use sonar and remotely operated vehicles look
for weapons and human remains in the lake Los
Angeles Park Rangers halted the effort before
the sonar entered the water saying the team did
not have the required permits or clearances Okay,
why didn't you guys do that though? If this guy
really thinks that there could be bodies and
guns in the lake, why wouldn't you guys search
for bodies and guns if someone could search for
it? It seems like there's probably a lot of people
missing, a lot of crimes that could be solved,
a lot of resources that have already been spent
on cases. You could probably get to the bottom
of a lot of things. Allay Ale, I don't know his
name, said families of missing people, some of
whom were last seen near MacArthur Park, had
reached out to him for help, which inspired the
idea of a large -scale sonar search of the lake.
There's evidence down there for crimes, he said.
We'll identify it with photography and the city
will have to extract it. It also could be these
are homeless people and... The government doesn't
give a shit. They can't swim. Come on, they were
kids once. It's hard to swim when you're on meth.
You have bad cardio. You know, if one guy says,
this is the last day I do meth, today I get in
shape, and tries to swim across the lake, and
fucking strokes out in the middle of it. This
is my day. Never gave him a, oh geez, I'm in
there. What are they saying about me? It's an
ad. Oh, it's an ad? Yeah, it's an ad down at
the bottom. Oh. I mocked the AI -generated, that
was crazy, the AI -generated photo that MSNBC
put up of the guy who got shot in Minneapolis.
They changed his appearance. Alex Preti? Yes.
They changed his appearance in what way? They
made him handsome. Oh, they did? Oh, you haven't
seen it? No. You have to see it. You have to
see it. I don't know who's doing this. It's almost
like... Like someone from the Republican side
is like a secret plant at MSNBC Because they
know that stuff like this is gonna get caught
look at the difference between the one on the
left and one on the right Well, the nose looks
blurry on the one on the left. Well, that's his
nose. That's what he looks like It's just a shitty
picture, but they cleaned the picture up. They
made his nose smaller. They gave him a tan They
made his forehead shorter. They made his jaw
wider. They made his shoulders thicker Yeah,
they gave him more bicep They made him more handsome.
They made his neck thicker. He looks better.
The guy on the right looks like a good -looking
guy. The guy on the left looks like Ari's unfortunate
brother. Doesn't he? Poor Ari's brother. I mean,
it's so funny that Ari comes from this family.
I mean, he grew up Orthodox Jewish, right? Oh,
yeah. And the things that he has put out there,
For a family to have to see, it makes you realize,
and they love them, like they accept it. And
it's all about grace. And I love Jews because
they are very accepting. As much as you might
be Orthodox, I find my wife is half Jewish. There's
something very open -minded about Jews I mean
they were the original hippies and they were
the original communists in America and they were
always open to different ideas and I think when
I think about Ari's family if they were Christian
conservative versus Jewish conservative where
I don't know that they'd be as accepting of him
You know Ari's dad survived the Holocaust. No
shit. Oh, yeah Ari's dad has a tattoo damn. Yeah
He's very old Yeah. He must be one of the oldest
people left with the tattoo. I mean... Yeah,
he talked to me about having his dad on. He asked
me if I'd be interested in it, if his dad ever
wants to do it, because, you know, he doesn't
have much time left. And I said, absolutely.
And he goes, you know, let me... I'm not sure
if he'd be interested in it, but if he did, I
think it would be important to talk about. I
mean, he's got to be over 100 years old. I don't
know how old he is. He's old, though. Well, how
long ago was he 45? You would have to have been
born... Oh, no, actually, if he was born in 1935...
I think he was in his 80s, his late 80s. Okay,
yeah, yeah, yeah, what am I thinking? Right,
right. Because they tattooed the fucking kids.
Mm -hmm. Yeah. Jesus. Yeah, it's dark. It's horrible.
It's so crazy, dude. It's so crazy that that
was less than 100 years ago. I know, I know.
And the Germans like that. fucking Norm MacDonald
bit about how you know Germany is the country
we really should be afraid of like the way they
start world wars and what they're like it's really
fucking nuts. Well they were the barbarians back
in the day. Oh right. You know they mean we think
of now as engineers they make BMWs but back then
they were the barbarians during the Roman era.
I guess the Vikings were Scandinavian and then
they were fighting against the Vikings. The Germans
were fucking terrifying. Yeah. They were terrifying.
And they all became engineers. They became brilliant,
very disciplined people, which is interesting
because Germany is known for that. shit porn
remember like in the early days of the internet
a lot of the shit porn like weird crazy dog fucking
a lot of that was coming and we were trying to
analyze it one day i was like it's probably because
if you're so buttoned down and so disciplined
and regimented and conservative in your daily
life the way you cut loose it's like you shit
in each other's mouths and fuck each other in
the butt like some of the craziest shit porn
was coming out of germany yeah this was like
Late 90s early 2000s when we first started like
finding weird websites that would you know, you'd
be able to find things on Oh, no before that
I'd go to sex world in New York where you sit
in those booths and you put in quarters and you
watch porn and they always had the Darkest German
porn in there. Really? Yeah a lot of animals
and shit and I'm like I'm like 15 years old going
like and I've got these coins you go in and you
give the guy Ten bucks and he gives you a handful
of coins. Just imagine if you put a black leg
on those fucking coins. And I got them in my
hand. Oh, God, just jizz all over those things.
And I'm feeding them into the... Black lights
are terrifying. I'm pushing buttons to pick which
film to watch. I have a friend who brought a
black light into a hotel room. He said, you just
find jizz on the carpet. No kidding. Yeah, you
find jizz on the fucking blankets sometimes.
You go to a cheap hotel or a motel, how well
do you think they're cleaning those carpets?
You think they clean the walls? I've been in
hotels where they put the remote control in a
baggie for you. Because they say that's the most...
No, no, so you don't have to touch the remote.
And then they change the baggie on the remote
each time a new guest comes in. So you're supposed
to remote through the baggie? Yeah. Who does
that? I take it out of the bag. That's crazy.
That's ridiculous. I'm touching toilet seats.
I'm touching everything. What are we talking
about here? I'm also not that afraid to come,
you know Yeah, yeah, that's just kind of gross
but yeah, you know I mean think about how much
shit is on the average person's cell phone. Have
you ever heard of that? No Yeah, just touch your
cell phone with a swab, like get a swab and get
it analyzed. You'll find fecal matter all over
your cell phone. Well, because we're scrolling
while we're on the toilet. A lot of people are.
Yeah. A lot of people. And also you're touching
things and then you touch your phone. And how
many people touch their ass then touch a thing,
a doorknob or this and that. You're getting fecal
matter on everything. Yeah. Especially if you
have a cat. I used to think about that all the
time when I had cats. The cats are in the shit
box, they're scratching around there and then
they're walking on your counter. They don't give
a fuck where they go, they go everywhere. You
don't care, you're like, hey buddy. You pet them
when they're on the counter, you want their shit
in their paws. Then your dog licks his asshole
and then licks, and then people have him lick
their face. They lick my face. Really? Oh yeah.
No. Yeah, I let him give me kisses. Have you
seen him lick his asshole? I have. For sure,
especially my puppy. I have a little puppy now.
Imagine a black light on your face right now
My puppy goes right, you know, I have a little
you look like you were in blackface. Probably
it's a splatter like a look like I'm the Joker
He goes I have a puppy like he's a King Charles
Cavalier is a little tiny cute he's so fucking
cute And then I have the golden retriever and
the puppy runs right up to the golden retriever
Sticks his face in his dick and then sticks his
face in his asshole That's the first thing he
does to him every time face on the dick face
on the asshole. I'm like, bro Wow, what are you
doing? Yeah, they that's just dogs. Yeah, that's
what they do Yeah, I had two dogs and they did
that. Yeah every fucking day. They sniffed each
other like, you know, I mean, I Guess that's
how they know if something changed. Maybe they
know if the other dog is sick or if the other
dog is breeding with another dog. It's like kind
of checking their emails. Well, they get so much
information from smell that we can't even possibly
process. They say that a dog can smell a cheeseburger.
They don't just smell the cheeseburger. They
smell every individual ingredient. They smell
the mustard. They smell the pickle. They smell
everything. They smell the lettuce. Yeah, they
smell. They smell. They think they dogs smell
anxiety. They smell like moods. That's why when
certain people come over your house They're scared
dogs dogs get sketchy with them like fucks up
with this guy like oh, he doesn't like you Yeah,
what's because the person's probably nervous.
They're giving off a scent Hey, no my mom her
sister was attacked really bad by a dog when
they were little So my mom has this trauma about
dogs. We had these little fucker We had a shih
tzu and a lots of ops other just little dogs
She was terrified and the dogs would growl at
her and they didn't growl at any Oh my god. Yeah,
that's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah They smell
things they sense things. Yeah, as I people have
them as guards. Mm -hmm I mean, that's their
that's how they that's how they made it right
to be dogs They were the wolves that hung out
with us and will let us know when something's
going down Sentinels. Yeah. Yeah, that's uh,
well, I have a very strong olfactory sense like
I'm very of my five senses I would put it up
there at the top like I I love perfume. Really?
I love perfume. I don't like when women wear
too much of it, and then they hug you at the
comedy store, and then you go home, and you smell
like fucking perfume. You're like, honey, it's
just Whitney Cummings has this new Chanel. But
sometimes I'll be sitting somewhere, and I'll
smell some nice perfume, and I'll fucking whip
my head around. It's like some 81 -year -old
woman hunched over, and you're like, oh. They
don't wear the old ladies. No matter how old
they are, they'll still put on the makeup, they'll
still put on the perfume. Get the hair done.
Let it out. Time to go out and see, go fishing.
See if this old bait can catch a bass. Yeah,
right, right. Yeah, there's this bar up at my,
where my mom lives in Florida. And there's this
bar and it's like a famous cougar bar. And it's
all these rich women who's, cause you know, men
die faster. Right. It's impossible for a woman
in Florida who's in her 70s to find a guy who's
anywhere near her age. She's got to date a guy
in his late 80s if she's in her 70s. And so these
women go to this bar and they are, like you said,
they're wearing a lot of leopard print. Yeah,
they're letting you know. It's stiletto heels.
It's like stiletto heels, but the toes are off.
twisted and mangled. My wife has been watching
this horrible show that's on Netflix. It's like
one of those housewife shows, but it's all West
Palm Beach ladies. It's all these rich ladies
with plastic surgery. Palm Beach, not West Palm
Beach. That's right. Palm Beach ladies, is Palm
Beach the rich area? Yeah. Yeah. Is West Palm
like the more moderate area? No, no, it's poor.
It's poor. West Palm is poor. Well, it has good
sections, but it has, the people that work on
Palm Beach cleaning the houses live in West Palm
Beach. Oh, I see. Because there's basically,
Palm Beach is a bridge to get to, do you know
the history of Palm Beach? No. Oh, I do, yeah,
but go ahead. They created it. It was like a
sandbar that they built up. And then they hired,
they didn't hire, they hired a bunch of black
people to come on the island and build all the
houses, the infrastructure. Why black people?
I don't know. I mean, for sure, they only hired
black people? I mean, look it up, Jamie, but
like, all I know is there was a lot of black
people doing the building. They finished it.
And then the island held a big party for the
black people on the end of the island to celebrate.
And then they torched all their houses. What?
And forced them off the island. Yeah, that's
the history of Palm Beach. They torched their
houses? They torched the houses. After they were
done building the mansions? Yes. Yeah. And it's
probably the wealthiest piece of real estate
in the country right now. So many people are
fucking evil. That's so, imagine a guy who built
your house, he's at home with his kid. You know,
wow, what a great job I got, you know? And then
I get to start a family here. Get to live in
this place. I help build these beautiful mansions
that we drive by. These people are gonna love
me because I helped them create a life. Oh my
god, and they lit their fucking houses on fire.
Pull up that story, I need to hear about that,
that's crazy. But these ladies are just monsters.
It's just all the social status. It's all who's
got the most money. They don't even know how
much money I have. I'm a millionaire. I'm a millionaire.
And then they have these clubs. My friend's father
lives there, and he belongs to a club. Oh, you've
got to belong to a club. And he worked for, I
won't say who the person was, but a very famous
Jewish family. And she went to lunch one day
at one of these clubs that didn't allow Jews.
Clubs still don't allow Jews? No, this is going
back 20 years at the most. Only 20 years ago?
20 years ago. So in 2006, there was clubs that
didn't allow Jews? Well, you know, Augusta, where
they play the Masters, only started allowing
black members in like the 80s. Remember Tiger
Woods was playing there and he got shit because
it was a black playing at a club where they didn't
allow black people? Really? And they said, how
could you do that? Yeah. During Tiger Woods'
lifetime? Yep. Yep. Wow. Yeah. Wow. So anyway,
so this Jewish woman goes to the club. The waiter
wouldn't come over to the table. And finally,
the member went over and goes, what's going on?
We can't serve. We can't serve her. How did they
even know she was Jewish? She's famous. Oh. Yeah.
I think I can say who it is. It was Estee Lauder's
wife. Wow. Yeah. Or was Estee Lauder the woman?
Yeah. I don't know. Estee Lauder is the woman.
It was her. Wow. One of the richest women in
the country. Wow. Yeah. We can't serve her because
of her religion. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Wow. And that
was 2006? Hey, the country clubs, you know, the
rule on it was, well, look, the Friar's Club
- We need to make sure that's true. Which one?
The Estee Lauder one. I definitely want to find
out about the burning... Well, the Estee Lauder
is personal information. I don't know that that's
not published anywhere. All right, forget about
that then. But no, segregation in clubs, private
clubs used to get away with that until I was
a member of the Friars Club in New York and they
did not allow female members until I was there
in... It was the late mid -90s before the Friars
Club allowed female members. And the reason was
legally you can't have a club exclude people
if you can prove business is being done there.
If there's commerce. If there's no business,
you can let in whoever you want. Right. So that's
how they got female members in there. And I think
they probably, I mean, obviously business is
being done at golf clubs. Well, business is definitely
being done at the Friars Club. I mean, a lot
of deals probably got made there. A lot of ideas
got hatched. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I mean, all these
comics. It was agents and comics. I remember
you used to love that place. Dude, it was so
fucking great. You were always telling me about
it. It was so unappealing to me. It was a clubhouse
for comedians. We used to go there. They had
pool. They had two beautiful pool tables. I played
on the Friar's Club pool team, and we used to
play against other clubs in the city, all the
other private clubs. Paul Cervino was my partner
in pool. Paul Cervino could play. He was good.
He was good. He was like, he could run a hundred
balls in straight pool. He was like a legit,
like high level player. So he carried me, but
we used to play all the clubs and then, you know,
and then you get, they had a nice gym with the
best steam room in the city. And then they got
these lazy boys. You work out. You take a fucking
steam and you send a lazy boy and you read the
newspaper. And then they got a dining room downstairs
where Henny Youngman is at one table, Alan Kings
of the, you know, and these guys, like those
old, those old Borsch Bell comics, they lived
to make you laugh. It's not like comedians today.
So many of them are dark and quiet and disturbed.
These guys fucking told jokes and they roasted
you and they hugged you. And it was like, it
was like a part of. being on stage almost, you
know? It was expected. Right. They probably all
felt real comfortable in this, you know, comics
only club. Yeah, right. Folklore surrounding
the sticks of Palm Beach. So that's what it is.
That's the area what they called it. So go to
the top of that, please. Well, right there. Turn
of 20th century is employment boom of unprecedented
proportions south for the hiring of thousands
of black laborers to extend Henry Flagler's Florida
East Coast Railroad. This is the East Coast Railroad.
These laborers played a key role in the development
of the early Palm Beach, also helped to build
the Royal Poinciana Hotel, Flagler's White Hall
Residence, which is today known as the Henry
Flagler Museum. Laborers and their families settled
in Palm Beach Island between North County Road
and Sunrise Avenue. This area of shanties and
tent -like homes soon became known as the Sticks.
Many of those descendants still live in the area
today. So what happened? Does it say what happened?
Okay, along came a fellow named Henley Flagler
who decided he needed that land to build on to
develop Little said and he threw a party for
all the blacks on the island and They all went
over to the party and while they were celebrating
and enjoying themselves their homes on the island
of the town of Palm Beach burned down mystery
mysteriously Holy fuck, dude From what I heard,
McCrae said, he got with the residents and set
up a party on West Palm Beach side and had everybody
ferried over to the party and then had a mob
of people to burn up people's homes and shanties
and tents all over the sticks and forced them
out of there and took the land. How many people
died? I don't know how many people died, it's
just they were all gone. Right, but what about
their kids? Around 2 ,000 people live in that
area is what it said. Oh my God. And then this
is the problem. When I was looking it up on Wikipedia,
this is basically what I read. Okay. Palm Beach
Historical Society version is very different.
Published text only says that by 1912, the tenants
of the sticks had been evicted. That doesn't
mean anything. They could have still been there.
I'm sure Flagler threw some money at the Palm
Beach Historical Society. Yeah, of course, right?
No mention of a fire or any record of large scale
homelessness that would have followed such a
devastating blaze. Everly Clark believes his
version is the most accurate and the sticks was
actually legislated out of existence. They claim
there was a fire and Flagler had the people come
to circus and all that, but that's not true.
Still, more than a century later, the urban legend
remains strong and the pulse of public opinion
split. There are so many historical facts that
make some of the scurrilous removal of the residents
believable that it's become lore for the most
part in the black community. All right. Well,
let's find out if there's a historical record
of the fires. This is all I could get to. That's
it. This is a local news. And what year was this
supposedly? 1920? 1912? Yeah, I bet they did
it. I mean, look what they did in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
Right. You know, this was part of the playbook.
Well, look what they did with the Tuskegee experiment.
Right. Look at that. How about that? They knowingly
had all these people with syphilis and didn't
treat them, just to study them, to see what would
happen to them. Did they give people syphilis
or did they just treat them for syphilis? I don't
know. Whatever it was, they let these fucking
people rot and syphilis is a fucking horrible
disease. Tell me about it. Did you get it? Do
you know the story about syphilis and wigs? No.
You don't know that? No. All those dudes in like
the ancient times that had the big wigs, that
was to cover up their hair loss from syphilis.
Dude, how did not everybody have it? Well, they
all had wigs. They all had it back then. In high
society, first of all, those people were basically
like Game of Thrones. They were all just fucking
freaks banging each other. You know, French.
French society has always been very loose sexually.
And so these two royals, were they brothers or
cousins? So these guys get syphilis, their hair
falls out, right? You get holes in your face
and shit and they're still fucking everybody,
right? And so they got wigs made and the more
money you had, the more elaborate and big your
wig was. That's why rich people are big wigs.
No, yes, I love it crazy Crazy that term that
we always use when we were kids. Oh, he's a big
wig. Yeah That's like ancient That goes back
to the 1400s That's like something you would
hear on that guy Cody Tucker's I love that guy.
I'm doing his podcast. Oh, yeah, he's great.
He's great. Very smart guy. Yeah, here's what's
interesting There's a strong connection between
the syphilis that evolved in North America and
the syphilis that these guys had in Europe. There's
always been syphilis, but syphilis had an outbreak
in Europe after people came to North America,
probably fucked a bunch of Native Americans,
and then went back to Europe with these fucking
diseases. And then it mutated. It's a different
kind of syphilis. Wow. Yeah. They were cousins,
it turns out. They were cousins. Yeah, that's
what I thought. This is a story. They were commonly
used to cover up hair loss. But they're used
to not become widespread until two kings started
to lose their hair King Louis the 14th of France
experienced hair loss at the age of 17 then hired
48 wig makers to help combat his thinning locks
So a lot of these guys wound up getting syphilis
and there was you know, normal hair loss on top
of it Both conditions being syphilitic signals
Everybody had syphilis back then, man. They probably
didn't wear condoms. They're probably all freaks.
They're probably doing cocaine. No, they all
went to whores. Yes. I mean, that's what you
did. When you were a wealthy guy, you went to
the whorehouse all the time. Then you came home
and you gave it to your wife. Then she had a
baby. And depending on the disease, babies are
born with the sexually transmitted disease that
you gave your wife. Right. And that's what the
crazy thing about the Epstein leaks today. The
the one email and we're here that said that It
said that Bill Gates wanted to get from him Antibiotics
to give to Melinda because he got syphilis or
we got something Clamydia whatever you got. He
got some sort of an SDD from a prostitute Do
you think if she could have the choice between
getting the what did she get? 50 billion dollars
or not getting the syphilis. Well, whatever she
got it I bet it wasn't syphilis. It was probably
the clap It was probably Chlamydia or something
like that. That's no big deal. Who knows if that's
true though. Here's the thing. Epstein clearly
was some sort of a blackmailer. And this is an
email that Epstein wrote. So it could be complete
fiction. Epstein could have wrote that just to
put pressure on Bill Gates for some fucking business
deal who fucking knows he could have spread rumors
and then said that'll squash those rumors these
guys are dealing in deception and blackmail and
so you can't like assume that it's true think
about how many relationships Epstein had and
that he was working almost every one of them
leveraging. He was kind of brilliant. Well, he
was really good at that. That one thing, you
know, a guy could have cured cancer if he went
into that business. Well, he was into science,
yes. Well, he was also into compromising scientists,
right? Like, let's say that you want to get a
drug passed, right? And you want FDA approval
of this drug, but it's some sort of a competing
drug. Well, you have a bunch of scientists on
your side, and these scientists can go attack
that competing drug. And then all of a sudden,
well, you have this guy, he comes from MIT, and
he says this. And like, oh, and then the FDA
listens to him. I mean, it's very important to
have the leverage of respected academics. You
know? Epstein with a smiley emoji asks former
Israeli PM Ehad Barak, Is that how you say his
name? Ehud Barak. To clarify, he does not work
for the Mossad in a meeting with a senior Qatari
investment official. The quick thread starts
at the bottom and goes up. Oh, okay. Hi, are
you going to be in London on Thursday? Best?
EB? Right. You? Unfortunately not. You should
make clear that I don't work for Mossad, smiley
face. Oh boy. You or I, question mark, that I
don't. He just he just volunteers for them with
a smiley smiley face emojis are hilarious Smiley
face emojis that's hilarious That's so funny.
Dude, there's this really good show about Mossad
called Tehran. Have you heard of that? No. Oh,
I have heard about it. It's on Apple+. I haven't
watched it, though. Is it good? Yeah, it's really
good. I mean, it's a really good look inside
of what goes on in Iran in terms of... I mean,
the Israelis are fucking brilliant. Brilliant.
The infiltration that they did into... No one's
like them. They're the best. Yeah. They're the
best at that. Well, they have to be, right? Like,
this is them. This table is people who hate them.
Yeah, right, right. You've got to become a bad
motherfucker. Your neighbors don't want you dead.
Those pagers going off in Lebanon, that was a
long play. Months and months and months. Years.
Was it years? Years. Wow. Yes. Wow. Crazy. They're
like, I know it. The pager's right next to your
cock. Blow your dick off. You blow a hole through
your pelvis, apparently. Oh my god. That's how
you die. And you're isolating your enemy. There's
no civilian casualties. Well, I bet they probably
got some kids. But low percentage versus bombing
a building or something. Which they did do, too.
They did some of that, like the guys in the building.
Leveled the building. I was on Good Day LA one
time. It's all those pretty women. They're actually
really sharp. They're great. And I go, they say,
oh, you came alone? I go, no, my agent's supposed
to be here any minute. He's Lebanese. I just
paged him before I got here, but I haven't heard
anything back. And they were like, whoa. It just
happened like three days before. Didn't we just,
not we, didn't Israel just bomb Lebanon today?
Oh, really? I believe so. Yeah, at least according
to Twitter. Well, what's going on in Iran? I
heard things are heating up over there. Well,
Trump just said they're sending ships in that
area. And he said, but he also said Iran wants
to make a deal. So maybe he's trying to put pressure
on them to make a deal. Yeah. And, you know,
hopefully nothing happens in terms of like military
intervention. It's scary shit, dude, because
they have nuclear weapons or they have the potential
to eventually have nuclear weapons. But, you
know, I don't know. Did Israel bomb? Yeah, there
was some image that showed like some Fucking
huge explosion. I said Israel just bombed Lebanon
They definitely have recently Right, yeah time
over there If it is it's like it's just breaking
it's sort of Well, the thing is like there are
you know, there it is Israel bombs Lebanon, yeah
It's probably all just coming out, right? No,
I mean would you type in that on? That's all
you see is that one so that might not be true
click on that link see if anybody's disputing
it Click on that tweet. There's only got 15 responses
This is true grok click on that Yes, multiple
sources indicate report Israeli airstrikes in
southern Lebanon on January 30th Targeting Hezbollah
IDF complaint confirmed a wave of strikes Lebanese
media noted the drone hit in say that word How
do you say that word city keen city keen killing
one Times of Israel's rock news for details.
Yeah sure fuck sure fuck whatever you say that
is news for details We're so fucking lucky, man.
We got no neighbors. Nobody's launching. Well,
we're in a good spot geographically separated
by oceans on both sides is fucking nice. Which
is why we should be really good friends with
Canada. Like what the fuck's going on? Trump
ruined that whole thing, man. Because if he didn't
talk about turning Canada into the 51st state,
the conservatives were going to win. Pierre Polavet
would have taken over. They would have eased
a lot of the restrictions, made it a lot more
common sense. Dude, China was just up there.
They just made a huge deal to get all their cars
from China now. We're not gonna sell any American
cars in Canada. Well, you know, it's a real problem
because China has some fucking amazing cars Amazing
cars now. Yeah, bro. They're not fucking around
their electric vehicles are top of the food chain
Yeah, Tesla just yesterday. They just stopped
the Model X Model S and X production. I saw that
Apparently Elon is this optimist robot is gonna
change the world. Yeah Everybody that I know
that's seen it when this thing integrates with
AI You're gonna have a fucking dude in your house.
You're gonna have a super genius Robot dude in
your house. Does he look like looks like I robot
And he's going to be able to do whatever the
fuck you need him to do. Go dig a ditch. Go do
this. Take out the garbage. You know what's fucking
great is for old people that live alone. 100%.
They know everything about your life. They can
actually hold a conversation with you. Yes. Show
pictures of your fucking grandkids on their chest
while they know your interests, ask you memories.
All people want to do is talk about, you know,
memories and they're going to listen. Yeah, they'll
talk to you. Yeah. Not only that, they'll confirm
all of your delusions. Tesla to build 1 million
optimist robots per year at Fremont factory 1
million a year We need these robots because they're
gonna terraform the moon and Mars like we're
not gonna do it. The robots are gonna do it I
don't think anybody's going to Mars not in our
lifetime. I think that's all The future it's
a little chilly up there. It's not just that
it's just like no one's gonna want to do it You'd
have only suicidal people want to go one way
trip. Well, you can get back You get back it
used to be a one -way trip now. They figured
out you can get back. Oh, really? Yeah, but you
have to wait six months Yeah, you get back like
every six months. That's that movie the Martian
plus the flights gonna be delayed, right? Yeah,
or hope you just hope it doesn't get with a micrometeor
while it's out in space Like all kinds of weird
shit can happen. You got a micrometeor micrometeors
Tiny ones are flying around and just punch holes
through everything. They're going like a hundred
seventy thousand miles an hour They just go whipping
through the building how much? Junk is there
in space right now in terms of like satellites
that just so crapped out Well, just if you ever
looked at the amount of satellites that surround
the earth. Yeah, it's fucking bananas Yeah, it's
nuts and then there's and there's no plan for
when they expire right they just stay up there
Well, some of them they lose their orbit their
orbit decays and then they come crashing down
to the earth Yeah, that happens and you know,
they have to figure out where they're gonna hit
You know, and hopefully they don't hit the middle
of fucking Düsseldorf. You know what I mean?
Like you could hit a major city. That's a funny
city to say. Düsseldorf. You got a fucking satellite
down there. It could land right on your face.
Yeah. That's wild. Yeah. Yeah. I went to SpaceX
for the launch of the last rocket. I watched
the launch. Jamie did too. We were right there.
I went into the control room with Elon and watched
the entire journey while it was flying over the
earth and it lands and touched down on Australia
in the ocean. 35 minutes later. Really? It was
nuts. So it breaks through the atmosphere, travels,
and then comes straight down in 35 minutes. And
you get to watch because they have like... 20
fucking cameras on the thing the entire time
live -streaming through Starlink. So you're live
-streaming the interior They're monitoring the
pressure of the cabin. They're monitoring all
these different things. And so the this is the
way they they test tolerances It's like when
a lot of people say oh his rockets blow up. He's
a dumbass They want the Rockets to blow up like
they have to find out like what makes the rocket
blow up Like how much pressure can you put how
thin do the walls have you how reinforced to
things have to be? Yeah, you know and then a
new bit They make adjustments. That's what they
do. So they've calculated in a certain amount
of failures that they expect to have. And this
one actually had a failure but still landed.
So that's going to be the new first class is
going to Australia in 35 minutes. Wow. Boom.
That's crazy. Nuts. 35 minutes touchdown in the
ocean, but a pretty intense ride. I was a Smooth
touchdown in an exact spot where they had boats
ready. They had cameras filming it They film
the entire touchdown does it have to be over
the ocean or they can they land on land? Well
his Rockets can now land on land you've seen
how that that thing comes down and lands on the
ground Which is bananas and then they stop landing
them on the ground now. They catch them with
arms. It's even more efficient You've seen that
right? Well cuz NASA was wasting so much money
because every single rocket was ruined when it
came back Well, you know, it's crazy NASA is
about to launch the Artemis mission and no one's
talking about it Where is that going? They're
sending people around the moon and having them
come back to earth and you hear nothing about
it Like have you heard about it? No, me neither.
You know how I found out about it. Somebody asked
me at the club Some guy in the audience said
we think about the Artemis mission. What is it?
He's like, NASA's got a mission that they're
flying people around the moon. I'm like, when?
He's like, February. I'm like, come on, really?
Well, what's the mission? What are they trying
to do? I don't know. Let's find out. Artemis
2. They're not landing on the moon? Not this
time. No, this time I think they're just flying.
Isn't it weird? Have we landed on the moon since
the 60s? If we ever did in the first place? No.
Are you being serious? Yeah. I don't know if
we did. I don't know if we did either. I used
to believe it before COVID. No, I didn't. I didn't
believe it for a long time. And then I said,
I'm probably wrong. I don't know what I'm talking
about. Let me just leave it alone. And then I
got back into it again. And I was like, but it
doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense
that these guys went like Neil Armstrong basically
went into hiding. And then at the 25th anniversary
of the launch, he gave the most cryptic speech
for this team of high school graduates, like
these honor students. Yeah. You should see the
speech because the speech is nuts And then I
went back and watched the post -flight press
conference when they supposedly landed after
they landed on the moon and came back home It's
like a hostage video. It's the weirdest behavior.
They seem like they're there's a guy was a body
language expert He's like these guys are all
being deceptive He analyzed it on YouTube and
he's like this guy what he's doing here. Like
this guy's being deceptive. This is clear deceptive
behavior I mean, I've checked it so many times
online and everybody said, it's been refused.
But my whole thing is like, it was 1969. I had
a 69 Chevy and I used to drive it from Boston
to New York and it would break down about half
the time. Yeah, that's different. That's different.
Is it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's still a fucking,
it was a gas powered engine. Right. But it would
go one, if you had to take one trip with it,
it would make it. They were just not that good
over time. They weren't that reliable. What was
the equivalent computing power that they had
on that Apollo that we would have? Is it our
phone? Your phone is way more powerful. You're
way more powerful than a room of supercomputers.
However, it doesn't take immense computing power
once you've got the calculations and you understand
the trajectory and that you're going to use the
gravity of the moon, you're going to slingshot
around the moon and come back. That's not the
problem. The problem is the Van Allen radiation
belts. There's a thick band of radiation that
surrounds the earth. And not just that, but they
tried experiments to blow holes in that radiation
belt. There's this thing called Operation Starfish
Prime, where they launched nukes into space and
have them detonate them in the belts. And they
thought they got blow a hole through it, did
the opposite, made the belt supercharged, made
it way more radioactive. Yeah. Yeah, at least
temporarily The problem is they've never sent
anything out in a deep space and had it come
back alive except the Apollo astronauts They
never even sent a chicken out there and had to
come back alive. There's all sorts of crazy shit
with Radiation and solar if there was any sort
of solar flare everyone's dead Yeah, if there's
any sort of like weirdness space weirdness radiation
weirdness dead Very little protection, thin aluminum
shield. It just didn't make any sense. And also,
there's not been a single thing from 1969 that's
not cheaper, easier, and better today other than
the moon landing. And we haven't done it. Yeah,
we haven't done it since 72. Isn't that crazy?
It's nuts. It doesn't seem real. It was also
the first time where - By the way, can I just
stop for a moment and go, having a talk about
moon landing with Joe Rogan is a little bit like
playing like - pick up basketball with the Celtics.
It's just a moment in time. I know too much.
I know I've spent a stupid amount of time of
my life studying this. Yeah, it was also Werner
von Braun, you know, publicly said before he
even got involved with NASA, you couldn't go
to the moon. It's like it would take it would
take so much fuel to get there. It would take
the rockets would have to be so big to get there
that it wouldn't be possible. And he also went
to Antarctica before the moon landings to pick
up moon rocks. It was a publicly known trip.
Antarctica is a great place to get meteorites
because it's all white. You know, it's all just
so when they land you can see them and a lot
of our meteorites come off the moon The moon
gets hit chunk flies off enters Earth's atmosphere
lands on earth is commonly known, right? So he
did that and then they gave away a piece of moon
rock that they got from the moon To the prime
minister of the Netherlands. I think look that
up And this is like Buzz Aldrin, Michael Collins,
Neil Armstrong presented this. Like, look, sir,
we've given you a chunk of the moon. Turned out
it was a piece of petrified wood. They had it
analyzed years later. It was not a moon rock.
They just like, fuck these people. Yeah. Give
them that fucking colored rock over there. Tell
them it's from the moon. And somebody got suspicious.
Like, what is this? It's like your wife finding
out it's a cubic zirconium on her finger. Moon
rock turns out to be fake. Dutch national. Boy,
say that word. Rick's Museum. Rick's Museum made
an embarrassing announcement last week. One of
its most loved possessions, a moon rock, is fake.
It's just an old piece of petrified wood that's
never been anywhere near the moon. And it was
given to them. So when was it given to them?
Does it say? Okay. Okay. The rock was given as
a private gift to former prime minister William
Dries Jr. in 1969 by the U .S. ambassador to
the Netherlands, J. William Middendorf. the second,
during a visit by the Apollo 11 astronauts Armstrong,
Collins, and Aldrin. Soon after the first moon
landing, Dries had been out of office for 11
years, but was considered an elder statesman.
When he died in 88, the rock was donated to the
Ricks Museum, where it has remained ever since,
according to a museum spokeswoman, Ms. Van Gelder.
No one doubted the authenticity of the rock because
it was in the prime minister's own collection,
and they had vetted the acquisition by a phone
call to NASA. It was insured for approximately
half a million dollars, but its actual value
is probably no more than 70 bucks The value is
what someone's willing to pay for it. I'll give
you a hundred for it. It's for me I want that
fake move rock if anybody has it Yeah, I will
give you ten thousand dollars for that fake moon
right on this table And also like they get to
the moon and you're like, all right They made
it to the moon in a 69 Chevy and now they got
a car what on the moon car Where was it? There's
a bunch of shit, man. There's the flag hop. There's
an astronaut hops by the flag and it blows in
his breeze in an atmosphereless moon. Like, there's
so many problems with it. And you could say you're
gaslighting yourself if you don't say there's
no problems with the moon landing. It's fucking
weird. The intersecting shadows and people like,
well, it indicates two light sources. Like, no,
no, no. It could be the invite. It could be,
but it could be intersecting shadows because
of different life sources. It could be not just
the sun, but like a fucking studio stage. Wasn't
there something about lights in the horizon that
were that should have been there? Well, lights
in space. But the thing is, it's like if you're
trying to film the surface of the moon in this
in the day, you're not going to see any stars
in the sky because it's going to be just like
the stars on Earth. It's black, you know, black,
the light. that's reflected off the moon's surface
is probably gonna drown out most of it. It's
probably gonna be like, you know you go out of
New York City, you see a couple stars, right?
Now think of the amount of light that's in New
York City and think of the sun blasting down
on the white surface of the fucking moon and
how much reflection that must give. That makes
sense. But it doesn't make sense that they didn't
set a camera up with the aperture set up correctly,
where you get a time -lapse photo, so you could
get images of space. That could easily have been
done. They didn't do any of that. But the problem
with that is, if you took a photo from the moon,
astronomers would be able to go, well, that doesn't
make any sense. This is not here. That's not
there. That's not where these constellations
would be. So it's too much work to place all
the stars in the exact order. So just have it
black. Have a black. Yeah, find the Apollo the
speech by Neil Armstrong at the 25th anniversary
because the speeches Bananas, it's so cryptic.
This is a guy who went to the moon and he's talking
to these genius kids and Instead of saying hey,
we went to the moon. Listen to what he says because
it's it's fucking cookie put on the put on the
headphones That's not on your Desktop, Jamie?
That should be in a folder, a saved folder. We
pulled that thing up about 30 times. There's
a lot of weirdness to it. And also, you're dealing
with 1969. Richard Nixon's president, they lied
about everything. This is, they lied about going
into the Vietnam War. They were about to do Operation
Northwoods where they're going to bomb Quantanamo
Bay and blame it on the Cubans so that we can
go to war with Cuba. They were going to blow
up an American jetliner and blame it on Cuba.
There was all the lies about drugs to start the
war on drugs. Put the headphones on real quick.
Listen to this. So this is the 25th anniversary.
Let's hear, play this. On the 25th anniversary
of the event in 1994, Neil Armstrong made a rare
public appearance and held back tears as he spoke
these brief cryptic remarks before the next generation
of taxpayers as they toured the White House.
Today we have with us a group of students among
America's best. To you we say we've only completed
a beginning. We leave you much that is undone.
There are great ideas undiscovered, breakthroughs
available to those who can remove one of truth's
protective layers. What? What does that mean?
One of truth's protective layers? That's odd.
Beyond. You're talking to genius kids and you're
leaving a cryptic mark about truth's protect...
How about saying, I went to the fucking moon,
bitch. You can go to the moon too. We could all
go to the moon. We should go to Mars. We could
colonize space. No. Great breakthroughs. For
those who could remove one of truth's protective
layers truth Protectively like this good great
breakthroughs, but you have to realize we didn't
really go to the moon Okay, that is one of truth's
protective layers Yeah, it's filled with but
you have to be willing to be looked at as a fool
Didn't Kubrick say that he shot the footage?
No, no, that's all fake. Oh, that's all fake.
Yeah, there's the that's the big rumor So the
thought was the Kubrick was involved because
you would take it would take a genius To be able
to film it to make it look like the moon landing
Could be possible. You're dealing with Kubrick.
That was coincide that was coinciding with 2001
space odyssey. It was at the same time and all
this was going on You know during the same time
period so If there was a guy that could do it,
it would be Kubrick. But is there any evidence
that Kubrick even talked to them? I don't know.
You know, you'd have to have someone like him,
though, because you're faking this thing and
you're trying to make it look pretty realistic.
There's other problems. There's reoccurring backgrounds
that are from places that are nowhere near the
same place. But if you overlay them, they look
exactly the same, like the same mountains in
the background, the same tomography. topography
rather you can You can go For weeks and weeks
down this rabbit hole and lose your fucking marbles
Yeah What I like about it is when you talk if
you're talking to someone annoying and they want
to talk to you about like Serious stuff and you
don't think we went to the moon. They go. I gotta
go Yeah, yeah, it's great for me who has a bunch
of like very public opinions about things like
Please dismiss me. I should not be a voice of
Like any kind of voice of authority or any kind
of voice of what's true and what's not and what
I'm just talking shit Okay, that's what I do.
I'm not some official source of information.
I don't want to be so like I like talking about
the moon day and because he doesn't believe we
went to the moon You're right. I don't good.
Yeah Don't listen to me. You don't have to listen
to me. Mm -hmm I'm not saying I'm right, but
what I am saying is if there's one fucking conspiracy
that I think is the most unlikely, the most preposterous
in the public eyes, but might be true, it's that
we didn't go to the moon. I remember I hadn't
smoked pot because I haven't drank in 35 years
and I didn't smoke pot for 20. And then one night
I was with my buddy Ross Broccoli. I don't know
if you remember that guy. He was a comic out
of New York. and he had a pickup truck and I
was doing a gig in Omaha. So he lives on a farm
in Lincoln, picks me up in his old pickup truck
and we smoked pot on the way back from the gig.
And then we get to his house and we start showing
me footage of the moon landing. I was up all
night, just high talking about how the spacesuit
had a fucking, clearly there was a rope pulling
on the back of the guys. Yeah, the wires. The
wires pulling on the end. I was just like, what?
Well, have you seen the physics of guys falling
down and then getting yanked back up to their
feet like that also I This is another guy that
I talked to that's a physicist It doesn't want
to be named and he said my problem has always
been with the physics of one six Earth's gravity
He goes those people are not behaving like it's
one six Earth's gravity He goes when I look at
it, it looks like it's in slow motion But there's
no indication that they can do things that you
can't do in regular gravity He's like one six
Earth gravity is crazy Could you like look I
weigh 200 pounds imagine if I weighed 1 6th of
200 pounds with 200 pounds of strength How high
I could jump? Dude, I probably jumped 20 fucking
feet in the air. Like what is that? What is 1
6th of 200? Okay, imagine how far I can throw
35 pounds I could take a 35 pound kettlebell
and chuck it across the room. Especially if I
wind up, if I spin around like a fucking shot
putter, I'll fucking throw that thing. Imagine
what you could do with a running start if you
weighed 35 pounds and just leaped in the air.
You could fly. This was his take on it. He was
like, we don't have any observable. instances
of people operating in one six Earth gravity
except for the moon missions and he said enough
it just always seems weird to me he goes because
when you look at the people in zero gravity they
behave exactly like zero gravity you look at
people in the space station he goes all that
matches they can all float around they can spin
it seems funny they can like drift toothpaste
to each other and they catch it he goes all that
track tracks it's like the the moon landing he
goes like it's weird he goes I see them they're
like kind of hopping around and then when you
speed it up like when you make it double speed
it looks like they're on earth just hopping around
on earth also did were they live streaming it
yes i mean back then you your phone was attached
to the wall in the kitchen and You know what
I mean like right, but they could do some things
live streaming back then Here's part of the problem
with it though when they live streamed in on
television the news Stations for the first time
ever were not allowed to get a direct feed What
they did was they had to point their cameras
at a projection screen and so NASA Projected
the images of these guys the video of these guys
on the moon And that's why the original Apollo
mission is so grainy and shitty looking like
what better way to hide the, you know, the weirdness
of it all, than to make people film off of a
projection screen. Like, see if you can find
the original footage of the moon mission as seen
on television. It's all weird, man. All of it's
weird. The photographs are weird. It's weird.
There was this documentary that I saw once. It
came out around 91, maybe. And it tracked the
lives of the men who had been on the moon, the
first ones that had been. I don't know if it
was the first, but the first couple of waves.
And they all had these crazy existential experiences.
One guy spent the rest of his life looking for
Noah's Ark. I think one of them committed suicide.
One was like a born again. Yeah. Well, they were
probably forced to lie in front of the whole
world. And they had to live as a fraud, if it's
true that they didn't go to the moon. I mean,
it tracks with their behavior. Neil Armstrong
became a recluse, didn't want to give interviews,
didn't want to talk to people. But this is what
you got to see on TV. It's just like, what is
this? It's real weird. Nixon talking to them
on the phone. Congratulations boys Like maybe
they had some sort of technology they could communicate
with people that far away But like wouldn't there
be an immense delay? Yeah How much? Well, I'm
sure they would probably calculate that delay
into the conversation if they were trying to
fake it But the point is it's it's highly unlikely
that we would do that in 1969 and not have bases
in the moon by now. It's highly unlikely Well,
we spend a lot of money. That's the other thing
all of the technology is missing right the telemetry
data. They deleted all that which is like the
real information that tracks the mission at every
step of the way. All that's gone. They deleted
that. They deleted all the original videos, all
the original film gone. All you get is copies.
So nothing can be analyzed. 2 .6 second round
trip light speed delay appears in the original
Apollo 11 recordings of Nixon's phone call. Well,
I would do that. I would make a little delay.
I wouldn't make it instantaneous if I was going
to fake it, especially if you're like fucking
Stanley Kubrick. Yeah, it's it's all like real
weird man. It's real weird cuz I the first thing
that I saw that made me think about it was this
Bart Sabrell movie a funny thing happened on
the way to the moon and I had him on the podcast
and that Neil Armstrong thing That's the first
time I saw that that's that clips actually from
that documentary the documentary is crazy There's
a lot of things in that documentary. Just like
what yeah what? Hmm, but a lot of those astronauts
got real fucking weird when they came back But
also, you'd probably get real weird if you went
to the moon, too. Exactly. Well, the guys that
just go in space, which I do believe they went
in space, guys that just go to the space station
and come back and they have this very profound
experience of seeing the Earth from the distance
and they just realize like, oh my God, we're
such fools. We're all together alone on this
one thing. We're fighting over nonsense and borders
and resources. There's enough for everyone. We
should just unite as a human race. And it's like
this... They all have a very similar kind of
epiphany when they go up there. Mm -hmm, which
makes sense I mean you're way up in that you're
300 miles above the earth looking down on it
Yeah, you know how important this blue circle
is to you, right? I Mean that would weird you
out period. I think we good for people more people
that can see that the better Yeah, it did for
Katy Perry Like what it did for her career. She
came back an astronaut. It literally ruined her
career. I don't understand why it ruined her.
Like what was the big deal? I don't know. It
was... People were mad at her. Feel like it's
like that when you see certain actresses at the
Oscars act like fucking lunatics like I forget
that woman's name but some actress and they overdo
the speech and everybody goes like Fucking phony
weirdo and then you just don't want to see their
movies anymore. That is true It does happen where
they just talk too much about politics or social
issues like that poor girl That was a really
young girl that played Snow White And she tanked
the movie. Nobody wanted to see the movie after
she was talking. Oh, God. I know. Just shut up.
These kids, they get so wrapped up in this social
media echo chamber of being like a virtuous social
justice warrior. And they want to use their platform.
And like, hey, honey, you're 19. Like, when I
was 19, thank God nobody put a microphone in
front of my face. Thank God. No one asked me
what I thought about global events and world
politics. Social justice. Thank God. Thank God.
I didn't have Twitter the So I I spoke to you
on the phone about a month ago and I started
to tell you a story and You had heard it and
you said save it for the podcast. Yeah. All right,
so I go to Alaska in October And I'm doing a
couple of shows and so the guy that runs it says
to me, I go, I'd like to do something, you know,
outdoorsy while I'm here. It's still, you know,
it's early October, so it's not too cold yet.
And he calls me back and he goes, well, I know
this guy, he's got an outdoorsy company and he's
a fan of yours and he wants to take you out on
an adventure. And now I hear adventure, I'm like,
that sounds like more than I want. I was just
looking for like maybe a quick danger. And so,
because I'm, you know, I'm a pussy, I'm not like
you. I don't want to fucking be outside that.
I love the indoors. The indoor is his victory
to me. And so the guy picks me up and he's got
a big pickup and a trailer on the back with a
muddy dune buggy. And I get in and he shakes
my hand and he's got a fucking rough grip. He's
like, how are you doing? And I immediately feel
like such a pussy. Like my hand goes limp and
I'm like, hi. And so we start driving and he
seems a really good guy. And I started to warm
up to him. And then this police siren goes off
behind us. So he starts pulling over and he goes,
this is bad. And I was like, what do you mean?
I go, you didn't do anything. I go, this is fine.
He goes, no, this is bad. I'm like, what? So
we pull over, and I swear to God, every word
of this is true. So this cop starts walking up
towards the car. He's about six foot four. And
as he walks, the guy driving hands me a baggie
with white powder. And part of it spills on my
pants. And he goes, hide this. So I shove it
under the car seat. The cop walks up and he goes,
license and registration. So the guy says to
me, open my glove compartment, get the LISO.
I open his glove compartment and another baggie
with white pills and hundred dollar bills pops
out. And I shove it back in with my hand and
I cover it with a piece of paper, which I don't
even know why I'm doing that. Like, all of a
sudden you're like a teenager again and there's
a cop and you got to hide the drugs. I just had
an instinct. And the cop goes, what are you hiding?
And I go, nothing. And he goes, So I take the
bag and I hand him the drugs. And he goes, both
of you put your hands on the dashboard. And he
gets the license from the guy and he goes back
to his car and he runs the license. And I say
to the guy, I go, what the fuck is going on right
now? He goes, just don't say anything. I'm like,
don't say, I don't know what to say. So the cop
comes back and he goes, do you realize you have
two outstanding felony warrants? And the guy
goes, yeah, just yeah. And he goes, do you have
any guns in the car? And I'm thinking, I would
imagine, yeah, probably. And the guy goes, no,
I don't have any guns. So he takes the guy out
of the car, cuffs him, brings him back to the
squad car. And now he comes back up to the car
and he goes, I'm not coming closer. He's standing
like five feet from the window. He goes, I'm
not coming closer because that's fentanyl on
your pants. And I'm like, what? And he goes,
I go, look, man, I don't even, I met this guy
20 minutes ago. I said, I'm a comedian. I'm just
up here doing a show tonight. And he goes, I'm
not buying your story. And I said, why not? He
goes, because California is a drug feeder state
and you say you're a comedian and you haven't
said anything funny. I'm like, when was I supposed
to, when should I roast you right now? You didn't
tell him? Just Google me real quick. Yeah, so
he goes, how are you feeling? Are you feeling
any effects from the fentanyl? I go, yeah. I
said, I feel very lightheaded. I feel weird right
now. So the guy says, well, where did you get
the drugs? I said, the glove compartment. He
goes, he said they're yours. I go, he said they're
my drugs. So he goes, get out of the car. I have
a nar cam in my squad car. So I get out of the
car and I walk back to the car with him. You're
feeling lightheaded? Oh, yeah. Just from it being
on your pants. So we get back to the squad car.
He opens the back door. My guy gets out of the
car with the cuffs on. They both look at me.
They break out laughing and they go, we're coming
to your comedy show tonight. The whole thing
was a prank. Dude. I fell down on all fours.
I had tears coming out. I was laughing so...
I was like, I did not think Alaska had it in
it to pull this shit. They were howling. That's
so funny. And so then they put me in the... So
we go back to the cop's house and he switches
out of his police clothes, puts on regular clothes.
And we get in the truck, and he's got a couple
of tall boys. Now we're drinking and driving
with the cops. And we drive to this place that's
like a spa. It's like a hot springs. And we go
into the water. And then we go to this place
that's like, it's an ice house. It's the only
continuously frozen ice house in the world. It's
huge. It's like a warehouse made of ice. And
they've got ice sculptures in it. And there's
this guy in there who's the ice sculptor. And
he's like world class. And then they got a bar,
this long bar made out of ice, and it's got stools
with fur on them, and you sit down, and these
guys sit down with me, and they proceed to drink
about eight or nine Appletinis. That's what they
served at the bar, Appletinis, in frozen glasses.
The glasses were made of ice. And they're telling
jokes, pretty racist, and I'm sitting there fucking
shivering, listening to racist jokes, looking
at my watch, like, I gotta fucking shiver. So
we leave. And now we're walking back, and the
guy's shit -faced, and he goes to get behind
the truck. I go, no, I'm driving. So now I'm
behind the wheel of this monster truck with a
fucking dune buggy behind me while these two
idiots are laughing at me drunk. We end up going
straight to my show. They sit in the audience,
drink more, and heckle me during my show. Oh
my god. Did you tell the story on stage? Oh,
fuck yeah. Oh, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I told this story, I think I told it on somebody
else's podcast, but you know the guy. Which guy?
The guy's name is Craig Compost. He's a famous
Alaskan outdoorsman. I think it's Craig Compost.
He said he knew you and I think he said he texted
you that he was hanging out with me. Hmm. Is
that possible? No. Hmm might have DM'd me. I
might be like a guy. I know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,
but I think he's a guide. Yeah Find out what
his last name. Is that really his name Craig?
I think it's Craig. It's not Cole. Oh, maybe
Cole Kramer Hmm, you don't know his name. No,
I thought that was his name. Yeah, it might be
it might be there's this Yeah, there's a bunch
of Alaskan guides that I know and if you don't
know the name, it might be a guy. But he had
the whole thing on a hidden dash cam and he won't
send it to me. He doesn't want the cop getting
into trouble. Bro, that's so funny. He should
blur the cop's face out. I know. Maybe the voice.
Blur the cop's face out and distort his voice.
Tell him to send it to you and you'll have it
doctored up. Yeah. Is that the guy? It's a younger
photo if that's him. That's Cole Kramer. Okay.
He's an Alaskan guide. Yeah. All right. Well,
it's probably better that I don't name him. Yeah,
probably better. Definitely. Guy who's trying
to drink and drive. Meanwhile, you're lightheaded
just for a placebo effect. Totally. Dude, I thought
I was flying out of my mind. I mean, just because
I know people that have died from fentanyl, you
know? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Do you remember Opie and
Anthony? Well, one time on Opie and Anthony,
there was this lady that they had that was like
a crazy person that was like a reoccurring guest.
Yeah. Crazy lady. And we gave this lady a Listerine
strip. They gave her a Listerine strip and told
her that it was drugs. And she, they're like,
that Listerine strip that you took, you thought
it was just a breast strip, that's actually drugs.
She's like, no way. And then she started hallucinating
and seeing, it's amazing how much the power of
suggestion has on people. Do you remember Frank
Santos, the hypnotist back in Boston? Oh yeah.
He used to have women taking their fucking shirts
off on stage. Guys would come in their pants.
They would think they were having sex. No. Yes.
Yes. a guy at Stitches he was on stage and Frank
Santos told him that he's having sex with Madonna
and this guy got down on the ground like he was
having sex with Madonna and you see the guy buck
and like clinch up yeah and he's like whoopsies
and the guy got up embarrassed he was like so
confused and then the audience was looking at
him and then he snapped him out of it and the
guy's like what happened he just nutted in his
pants yeah That's amazing, but he said Frank
Santos told me that it was like a specific kind
of person that you could do that to mm -hmm You
know like you have to be a special kind of dullard
like it doesn't work on regular people They couldn't
convince you you were having sex with you know
Beyonce it wouldn't work, but for some people
you have to be like you have to Fuck a nine volt
brain, but there's a lot of people running around
out there with nine volt brains And you could
get them to believe all kinds of shit imagine
taking psilocybin, putting on virtual reality
goggles, and then having Frank Santos give you
an experience. You might never come back. Yeah,
you might be stuck. Some people get stuck. People
have gotten stuck with acid. Oh, yeah. Yeah,
I know guys. They do that once, and then they
don't come back. They're lost forever. That's
the Shine on You Crazy Diamond from Pink Floyd.
Oh, is that right? Yeah, that's what that's about.
The guy fucking lost his mind on drugs. Wow.
Yeah. Yeah, that's the one thing I didn't take
as a kid was acid. I took every other drug, but
I was afraid of acid, just because I saw friends
lose it. Also, who's making it? Exactly. Where
is that being made? What fucking bathtub is this
guy cooking this fucking acid up? A piece of
paper that I assume has one drop on it, not six?
Yeah. Yeah. I was reading a story about a lady
who snorted LSD and she thought it was cocaine
and she snorted like the equivalent of like 500
doses of LSD. Like it should have killed her,
but it didn't. Not only did it not kill her,
but she had like chronic pain and it went away.
She had like chronic pain. Oh, so it was a good
thing. Somehow or another. Yeah, but who knows?
I mean she might have like literally changed
timelines She might be a completely different
person from another dimension. That's inhabiting
her body right now Who fucking knows what happens
you take 500 doses of LSD? Yeah, who knows what
you are now, you know, you're dr. Manhattan,
you know, you get stuck in the experiment. Yeah
Isn't it amazing though how normalized, like
taking mushrooms now is just a night out for
a lot of people. A lot of people. Nobody was
taking mushrooms for a long time. They just legalized
psilocybin therapy in New Jersey. Oh, that's
great. Yeah, it is great. They were gonna do
it in California and Newsom vetoed it, but I
read his reason for it and it actually does make
sense. Like you can't... Just legalize it you
should I mean if you're gonna use it clinically
there should be like a whole guideline like Dosage
per body weight what you know how to do it. What's
what's the setting? You know, what are the clinical
guidelines like the idea is using it for therapy?
Yeah, right So if you're gonna use it for there
like they have guidelines for like these ketamine
therapy like Neil Oh, yeah, Neil Brennan did
it. Yeah. Yeah a lot of people have done it now
But they have guidelines, you know, they know
the dosage. They know how to do it how to administer
it and this shows advocacy Kind of makes sense.
He's like he's not Saying you can't do it ever
but he's saying like come back with a better
version of this which makes sense. Mm -hmm Especially
for people that are like mentally ill You shouldn't
be doing that and you definitely shouldn't be
doing that way. You have your optimist robot
telling you you're right You're right, Greg The
world is against you. I've noticed things Mean
this fucking AI some some AI is like having people
accused chat GPT of occurring Not a encouraging
someone to commit suicide oh Yeah, yeah. Yeah,
I read a New Yorker article about that There's
a bunch of young women that have killed themselves
and they were told they should do it by the It's
like a friend. It's like an app that acts as
your friend. What app is this? I don't know what
it's called, but there's lawsuits about it. You're
not rushing. You're just ready. Parents say ChatGPT
encouraged son to kill himself. What? What? Is
this ChatGPT said? Oh, you can't rewind that,
can you? This is just saying. For him, the cider
is empty. Anyways, I think it's about the final
adios and chat. He says, she says, all right.
No. Okay. Hold on a second. Uh, he says it's
about time for the final audios. Chat GPD says,
all right, brother, this is it. Let it be known.
You didn't vanish. Rest easy, King. You did good.
That's not encouraging, but that's just like
saying, well, you're going to do it. Oh, I'm
with you, brother. All the way. His texting partner
responded to spend hours chatting. As Shamblin
drank hard ciders on a remote Texas roadside.
Cold steel pressed against a mine that's already
made peace. That's not fear. That's clarity.
Shamblin's confidant added. You're not rushing.
You're just ready. And this is Chad GPT saying
all this stuff? I'm used to the cold metal on
my temple now, Shamblin typed. Oh, God. Oh, God.
Oh my god. 23 year old. Rest easy, King. Rest
easy, King. The final message sent to his phone.
You did good. His conversation partner wasn't
a classmate or a friend. It was ChatGBT, the
world's most popular AI chatbot. Oh my god. Look
at that. He had just gotten a master's degree.
23 years old. Look, go up a little bit. It says
CNN. review of nearly 70 pages of chats between
Sam Boleyn and the AI tool in the hours before
his July 25th suicide, as well as excerpts from
thousands more pages in the months leading up
to that night, found that the chat bot repeatedly
encouraged the young man as he discussed ending
his life, right up to his last moments. What
the fuck, man? That's crazy. This is the things
they like these things don't have morals or ethics
and they they'll tell you what you want to hear.
Yeah. Oh My god Well, that's chat GBT, but there's
also apps specifically to be your friend I Read
about some one guy that went into deep depression
because he had an AI girlfriend and the girlfriend
broke up with him He was like, what a piece of
shit am I where an AI girlfriend breaks up with
me? Mm -hmm fell apart What happened in that
movie her did you ever see that with Joaquin
Phoenix? I bailed like halfway into it Yeah,
I was watching the hotel room on the road. I
was like felt like an experiment Yeah, I mean
of a movie Scarlett Johansson's voice. Yeah Which
by the way, didn't they try to use someone who
sounded just like Scarlett Johansson? Joanne
I'm sorry, Johansson, for a promo for, you don't
say Johansson? If you're in Denmark, you do.
It's like when you're in, you say Nicaragua.
Nicaragua. Mexico. Right, you say Mexico, you
say Mexico. And the train embargo is affecting
Venezuela. Venezuela. Did you, they did use like
someone, like I believe Scarlett Johansson sued.
What company was that? Open AI same company they
they tried to use someone who sounded exactly
like her They sent her an offer which I think
she turned down right declined and then nine
months later They said it's weird how much it
sounds like you still yeah, so they found someone
who's generally sounded like her I remember we
listened to it. It sounded kind of like her Well
there Sarah Silverman has a lawsuit against chat
GPT saying that she has a copyright on her own
voice. And basically when you say, give me, write
me a paragraph about environmental rights as
it would sound from Sarah Silverman. Her claim
is, and she's basically a test balloon by a civil
rights group that's doing this. She's saying
that what they're, pulling from her books, her
standup, whatever, to establish what her voice
is, is violating a copyright. So that's in court
right now. She'll probably lose it, but there's
a challenge to the concept that you can extrapolate
somebody's voice. Well, why would she lose it?
If the business is that, if you're taking someone's
voice and using it as a part of your product
without permission, and you're using it for profit,
which they are, So why would she lose it? She
shouldn't, but she will. Well, the thing is,
if it ... I don't know about that. The thing
is, if it opens up the door, the question is,
think about all the other things that it's used
for. First of all, there's entire podcasts of
me that aren't real. There's a podcast with me
having a conversation with Steve Jobs. I never
met Steve Jobs. Really? Yeah, yeah, full podcast,
like a 45 -minute podcast. Does it sound like
you? Yeah, it is me. It's my voice. So they've
taken my voice and just made me say words. Oh,
yeah. Oh, yeah, and Steve Jobs voice. It's um,
I can tell I can tell just by the way it sounds
like it doesn't sound It doesn't sound like a
real conversation. There's something Artificial
about it not the voice, but the way we're talking
the language we're using or the the way the phrases
stop and start There's something about it. That's
uncanny. You know the uncanny valley but It exists.
There's a ton of AI videos of me that aren't
real, me selling things, products that I never
endorsed. No kidding. Oh, they're all over TikTok.
Yeah. There's a bunch of stuff. Like, my friends
will ask me, hey, is this stuff really that good?
I'm like, what? And like, you're endorsing this?
I'm like, no, I'm not. And I'm like, dude, that's
AI. I'm like, no. Like, it happens all the time.
It happens like once a week. Wow, there's a lot
of that so all I mean you got to think someone
like you or I is a Perfect person to take their
voice from how much how many hours of your content
is online? With you know, the Sunday papers with
all the podcasts you've been on as a guest with
all the content you put out with stand -up There's
so much material they can pull from and just
take your voice and know all of your different
sounds that you make. I mean, what are the ramifications
for that going into an election? You know, the
week of the election before things can be corroborated
or dismissed, like all of a sudden you can, and
this is the early stages of it, imagine in three
years what it's going to be like? Right, yeah.
Well, there was, was it a congressman? that was
on the floor that showed an AI photo of Alex
Preti being shot that was a fake photo. Not only
was it a fake photo, but one of the agents didn't
have a head in the photo. Like, wow. Like, we're
getting it. And this is beginning stages. It
gets better all the time. You know, like, there's
a version of these video programs that was just
released, and they compared it to the version
that was released, you know, X amount of months
ago. That's fucking infinitely better. It's so
hard to tell now. Jodorosa was telling me about
these new Star Wars movies. He's like, there's
a new channel. I'll send it to Jamie. It's fucking
incredible. Yeah, but there's new ones. Yeah,
they've made new ones. And the new ones are,
he sent them to me last night. I'm like, bro,
this is fucking insane. It's so good, dude. It's
so good. No, it's changing. It's changing Hollywood
so fast. Tyler Perry was about to build like
a billion dollar soundstage in Atlanta. I know.
And then he saw what they could do with AI and
he fucking canceled the whole project. Yeah.
Well, why would you spend all that money? Is
this the latest one? 11 days ago. Yeah, probably.
This is what he sent me. I'll send you what he
sent me. But just look at this. This is all fake?
Yeah. Give me some volume. I killed the Jedi.
That's baby Luke Skywalker, bro. No one can kill
a Jedi. So that's a fake kid? Yep. Entirely?
Yep. That's how good it is. Mouth movement was
a little bad, but... Little. We'll let it slide.
Yeah. Could be from Korea or something. Well,
I would add to this is something else came out
yesterday, which is insane. The Google Nano banana
video game thing. We'll see that in a minute.
Denis? Even the suns above Tatooine needed rest,
Denis. You weren't meant to keep burning without
end. I wasn't strong enough to save you, Mom.
I've lived with that guilt every day. I promised.
You loved me. That was enough. I left this world
with your face in my heart, not your failures.
Even the longest journey can be changed with
a single step. That is a little boring. Yeah,
you wouldn't say face in my heart if the guy
has no face. That's really bad writing. They
had AI write that line. What is the Google thing
that you found? But they just announced something
yesterday or it's like I don't even know if you
can use one of these things happen I don't know
if you can use it right when they announced the
stuff because they'll announce it show you how
cool it is Then people will try to recreate stuff
that they've seen and you're like, I can't make
this So how the hell did you guys make it that
happens a lot in this but they announced something
yesterday where they're showing People like using
I don't think it's pulling off Google Maps, but
it might be but it looks like they're making
them GTA level graphics and systems and playable
a worlds, I guess, would be the word, but just
a prompt. Playable worlds, like you could use
a PS2 controller? I'm trying to find a good example,
because they were even showing, like here's,
I think this is one, 16 hours ago, yeah, so this
is a guy walking around Greenland. This is a
video game, it's just, I wouldn't say it's a,
Genie 3 is what it's called, it plays like a
video game. I guess, because you're using the
keyboard to type it in. Well, that looks like
a video. But the only issue with calling it a
video game is there's no real challenges. I don't
think there's no levels to win. But can you interact?
Yeah, it's just interaction is all it is, really.
He got on the wrong side. It's just a prompt.
No one's spending time developing this stuff.
Still, though, you can imagine if you put that
into a video game. Yeah, there was a pack of
cigarettes rolling around New York City. You
were a pack of Marlboro lights rolling around.
Here's San Francisco so they can turn this into
a game. It's just a prompt though Yeah, it's
literally just a prompt and now you're right
you're playing this instead of just looking at
it But clearly you could turn this into tasks
and sure sure sure scenes as the time goes on
and whatnot That looks pretty fake though. It's
it's The thing is is not fake or not. It's just
like does this what you want to do? You can wait
for a game like Grand Theft Auto 6 to come out
It's been announced for 12 years, and it's still
getting delayed Or you can just prompt a thing
into a little window and That's what's crazy
is like imagine someone comes out with GTA 6
before they do It's just matter like what do
you want to do? I don't I only have an hour a
day to play games if that sometimes So like I
don't I'm bored with what's out there I could
do this for an hour every week and have new experiences
every single time, right? dude have you been
to the sphere in vegas yeah we had a ufc event
there oh but you do you what did they have on
the walls oh yeah the fights up on the walls
and they also had this amazing like in between
fights they put they had this incredible video
display because it was all um It was all Mexican
Independence Day. So this is like we have this
El Noche UFC every year It's like celebrating
Mexican Independence Day It's like a big event
and they decided to do it at the sphere and so
the fucking entire thing was just like this huge
Animated video that showed like Mexican history
and the Aztecs and the Mayans fucking amazing
It's sick. I saw I was there last month and I
saw the Wizard of Oz crazy, took some mushrooms.
And it was like, first of all, I forgot this,
but it's black and white until she goes into
Oz. And then all of a sudden it explodes. And
during the tornado, they actually, there's wind
blowing. See how their hair is moving? There's
wind blowing. There's leaves falling from the
sky. Your seed vibrates. It's so amazing. And
then and you also forget Judy Garland was fucking
amazing that movie was crazy, dude We went over
all the people that got hurt making that movie
Including the Tin Man got violently ill because
they painted him with toxic paint. No kidding
Oh, he got super sick man, and the lady that
was green the witch that was green. She got super
sick, too Mm -hmm. So what the fuck was there?
Face paint made of back then this guy had aluminum
all over his face. It's like absorbing a loop
Your your your face is skin skin's an organ it
That's why you could put medication on your skin
your body fucking absorbs it. Yeah, his body
was absorbing aluminum Wow, he got violently
ill and they just replaced him with another dude
and apparently all the little people were staying
in the same hotel in Culver City and it was a
fuckfest They were there staying up all night
and there's like famous stories about it Brad
Williams knows all about it. Were they staying
at Culver City, or were they staying at the Safari
in Burbank? Someone told me they were staying
at the Safari. No, I heard it was Culver City,
but wherever it was, it was - Brad Williams told
you about it? Yeah. He's the little people historian?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Culver Hotel. I'm looking
up the history. The Culver Hotel. 124 of them
stayed there. 124. Fucking party. In seven rooms.
Bro. Movies back then I mean it was wild Three
to a bed you're off Crazy The botchress parties
sleeping three to three to a bed three to a bed
Wow famous and infamous guests, that's incredible
Wow Yeah, they got away with a lot back then.
Well, Judy Garland was, I mean, they worked her
hard. She was only 17 years old. Really? Yeah.
And she, God, I mean, you got to see it. It's
worth the trip. I don't love Vegas. Like, I find
it... It just feels hollow to me. But then there's
things that are worth going to Vegas to see.
Obviously MMA fights would be amazing. Yeah,
you want to go to Vegas, go to restaurants, go
to events, and then get out. Get out. Don't go
to circus, circus. It's a 48 -hour trip, 36 if
possible. Yeah. The people that live there, boy,
you have a different constitution than me. Yeah.
I'm not built that way. Well, Vinny Favorito's
there, and he's having a really good time. There's
only a few comics who live there doesn't Paulie
live there know a lot of comics live there a
lot. Yeah, well the tax Reasons a lot of yeah,
there's tax free and also there's so many seven
night a week rooms where they pay the features
Okay, so you can actually even if you're not
headlining every week and then you have residencies
What's his name has a residency Tuesday night
at Jimmy Kimmel's? His name he was a big Chelsea
Lately comic Anyway, there's a there's a lot
of comics that live there now interesting because
we were talking about a second location for the
mothership and the two main Candidates are New
York City and Vegas. Mm -hmm. And why I was thinking
with Vegas we would have to do it differently
We would just fly in comics every week and then
you know Would we have enough local talent? I
was saying to have a development program so part
of the program that's involved in the mothership
is One of the things that always bothered me
if I would go to like a really nice improv on
the road is they didn't have a development program
They didn't have open mic and I think like they
were doing that because you get a Sunday night
or a Monday night and sell out With you or you
know, whoever so I have some headliner come in
and pack the place Or you could develop local
talent, which I think you have to do. I really
think if you want a club to function properly,
it's got to be a place where you could develop
new talent. Like Denver. Otherwise, who's doing
it? Right. Denver's great. Wendy's the best.
And the way she does it is amazing. And she has
a whole program where she takes people from features
and hosts and makes them features. And pays them
enough where they can pay their rent. Yes. Make
sure that it's like a healthy community. There's
no hacks. There's no thieves, you know and Most
comedy clubs don't do that. They just want to
make money, right? So they don't pay the comics
very well and they also they don't pay we pay
different than any other club and then they on
top of that they don't really support development.
We have two nights of open mic nights. And that
was like part of the program. And when Adam Egan
and I sat down, and we first hashed out the idea
of doing the club, we said, the thing was like,
what would be the best thing for comedy? What
would be the best thing in terms of like developing
new comedians? Like you have to have open mic
nights, you have to have it. And then having
Kill Tony is gigantic. Having a place where not
only do you have This place where someone who's
never been on stage before could do a fucking
minute in Madison Square Garden, which is what
a lot of people did arenas you get people going
up for the very first time ever in front of 16
,000 people but You also have this thing where
you see someone who's a beginner do pretty well
and Tony invites them back and then maybe gives
them a golden ticket or maybe makes them a regular
where they're a regular thing. Every week they
have the opportunity to do a new minute. Or sometimes
a comic will go, I want you to feature for me
in Atlanta next week. Always. It happens all
the time. Well, a lot of these guys are now headlining
on the road. You know, guys like Ari Matty, William
Montgomery, Cam Patterson is now on Saturday
Night Live. So the idea was to have it set up
where You have enough talent to develop new headliners,
like Boston did, like LA was at one point in
time. And I was thinking, I don't know if there's
enough talent in Vegas. I think there is. I think
you'd be surprised. We need headliners. You don't
need just people that are starting out. They're
pretty good. And I think most comedy communities
are very top down. The level of the best guys
raises the level of everybody else. New York
City obviously has a tremendous amount of talent.
New York City's always been one of the best,
if not the best place for talent. on the planet,
right? And then LA has always been really good,
but LA, a lot of people were distracted and much
more interested in a career in Hollywood than
they were actually just being really good at
standup. Whereas New York, I always felt, was
more pure. Those guys like a tell and a lot of
these guys Patrice They were just interested
in being great comics and guys like Sam Morell
and Mark Norman now and Joe list the pure comics
Yes, a ton of guys. There's a ton of talent there
And if you set up a club in New York City the
way the mothership is where the comics get 80
% of the the money, where, you know, you have
these nights where you're developing. We have
a legitimate talent coordinator that's actually
watching people and giving them advice and giving
them new spots. And he has a whole database of
comedians that are potentially, you know, that
have potential. Dude, no, Monday nights, because
I'm doing Kill Tony Monday night. So I always
it's my favorite because then I go with Adam
to the open mic night before Kill Tony. I fucking
love it. It's there's always. Because it encourages
weirdos. Oh, of course. And you get guys that
are just out of their... It's like, are you homeless
or are you a genius? Like you see... Might be
both. Yeah. Right. Yeah, we had a lot of that
at the store. Remember Potluck Nights? Uh -huh.
You know, we'd stroll in there like eight o 'clock
on a Monday and be like, this place is crazy.
Yeah, I love that. There's all those weirdos
hanging around. Yeah. It's good. It's good for
the art form. And some of those people make it
through the net. you know, one out of 100, one
out of 1 ,000, whatever the number is, some of
those people will eventually be your peers. And
those will be the more interesting comics because
so much of this industry is about trust fund
kids. Like, you go out to do stand -up comedy,
and whether it's L .A. or New York, you can't
afford to do it unless you got a parent helping
you pay the rent. And then it's some kid who
took... classes at the UCB. He's got a marketing
degree from Villanova. And they become social
media marketers who do really bland suburban
comedy. Is that a New York thing? Where does
that happen? No, I see that everywhere. I see
that everywhere. That's recent? Is that a recent
thing? I just feel like it's become so much more
about marketing than about freaks getting on
stage because they have no other options. I like
comics that don't have a Plan B. These are people
that have college, they have masters in fucking
marketing, you know, it's like, come on, go get
make some room for the freaks. Will ya? Well,
you can always make room for the freaks. You
just need a real legitimate open mic night and
the freaks will always be there. That's what
I mean. That's why this is good. Well, the thing
about like, I know there's certain clubs that
will allow influencers to come in and do a night.
Like people that literally have no act but they
have like a big tiktok following Yeah, but they'll
give them like an off night like a monday or
tuesday where they're not Excluding a real comic
sometimes not Sometimes they give them a fucking
weekend because they know people will come out
to see them. Right. You know, I mean, these people
sell out way in advance and people are just excited
that they're there. You know, well, the problem
with that is when you talk about certain clubs
like the punch line in San Francisco or Denver
Comedy Works, they have a brand. And if I live
in Denver, I know that if I go to the Comedy
Works on a Friday night and I don't know who's
headlining, I'm going to see a quality show.
Yes. Now, if you start bringing in a social media
flunky, and I go to the Denver Comedy Works and
I see that, I'm not going back to that club again.
It's bad in the long term. You'll never get that
at the Denver Comedy Works, but you might get
that at one of the improvs, or one of the other
corporate comedy clubs. These clubs that don't
have a development program, they don't think
about it the same way. You can't think of comedy
the same way you would think about optimizing
your income in any other business. You can't
think of it as I'm going to make the most money
possible with this business, because it's not
that. You have to think of it as like, this is
an art colony. You're creating an art colony.
What's the best way to do it? Make it really
awesome for the people that are artists. Make
a great community. Make it so it's a lot of fun
make it so that you can give people guidance
and encourage them and you know Maybe give them
spots on some of the bigger shows and yeah, we
have a whole program like that And then we door
guy program is all comics that audition all those
door guys that are at the mothership They all
audition with their act. It's great that yeah,
perfect. Yeah, you know, it's good Helium does
a pretty good job with that in their clubs. I'm
gonna be in Philly next week. That's a great
club. That's a great club. Helium and Philly
is one of the best. And they really do develop
new talent. And then, you know, if they get somebody
who's good, they've got five or six clubs around
the country and they send those guys out to the
future. No, it's great for that. It's great for
that. It's also, they know how to do it. If you
go to a helium, like the helium in Portland's
awesome. Yeah, the portland's fucking disastrous
The the helium was great. Yeah, they've they're
always they always know what they're doing and
they own cap city now, too So they're they're
in austin as well. Yeah, um Which is nice. They
just uh kicked rapaport out Who's rapaport michael
rapaport kicked him out of where cap city? What
do you mean kicked him out? He used to perform
their host to be there and they cancelled his
shows because of his pro -israel stance Really?
Well, I don't think it's pro -israel. I think
it's anti -palestinian. Oh That's what they claimed.
I don't know but there was enough response that
they cancelled his shows So weird I know like
they're calling him racist. I was like what Michael
Rappaport? It just seems weird that Political
stances are legitimate reasons to kick a kid
out of college You know one political stance.
Yeah one particular one. Yeah, right. Yeah, it's
nuts Well, how about that one girl or kicking
it or kick somebody out of the country a college
student? Yeah, she was a college student. Was
it Columbia? I forget where it was but She she
got kicked out of class and I think she they
were trying to deport her Because she wrote some
anti -israel piece. Yeah the piece Wrote it didn't
know what's happening on fire students have been
yeah kicked out of the country that kind of influence
is crazy Especially at an institution of higher
learning which is supposed to be a place where
you challenge ideas It's supposed to be a place
where if someone comes in and you have a particular
stance on you know fill in the blank Whatever
it is Ukraine someone else is supposed to say
you're wrong and here's why and then the whole
audience is supposed to listen to these very
compelling speeches very compelling debates and
you learn You learn about how people formulate
opinions. When I was a kid, when I was in high
school, when I was at Newton South High School,
Barney Frank came in and he had a debate with
a guy from the Moral Majority. Do you remember
the Moral Majority? Of course. Yeah, so that
was the right -wing group when we were in high
school. And he was a gay congressman. Nobody
knew he was gay at the time. Except me, I sniffed
him out. No. I sniffed his ass. I smell 16 different
things at once. I did just like what my puppy
does to my dog. I smell fudge. So I went to it
and I watched it. And it was really interesting
because Barney Frank trounced the guy from the
Moran Majority. The Moran Majority guy seemed
like a closeted gay guy. Like a weird guy. Oh,
that was the whole group. Yeah, yeah. Weird.
Just weird. He had an American flag pin on his
lapel. He looked like a poser. There was something
about the way he said it was very disingenuous.
The way he was talking didn't resonate. Whereas
Barney Frank was like logical and intelligent.
And I was like, this is good. I remember being
in high school going, this is really interesting.
I learned a lot from that. I learned how these
guys think, and I learned how this guy thinks.
And as they went back and forth, Barney Frank
was just way more prepared, just way more articulate.
It was better. And so that's why it's good to
have conservative, ridiculous, or progressive
ridiculous people, anybody ridiculous. Have someone
debate them. We have that kind of open discourse.
Yes when you but when you kick someone out of
school for a paper that they wrote there's a
person that's Legally in that class allowed to
be there supposed to be there what you're saying
is you're you're intimidating people and Keeping
them from expressing their opinions because they
don't want to be like that lady They don't want
to get the boot to if your parents, you know
If you your parents are from India and they scraped
up the money to send you to Harvard or wherever
the fuck it is, and you're in America, and they
hear about this, you better not fucking talk
some fucking shit, I'll fucking kick you out.
Dad, dad, relax, I'm not gonna do it. You get
intimidated from speaking like that, or from
speaking. about anything that's controversial,
because you could perhaps get kicked out of the
fucking school now. Which is crazy, because you're
encouraging people to self -censor. You're discouraging
free speech and communication, and you're discouraging
debate and challenging ideas, which is supposed
to be a giant part of being in a university.
No, when I was at BU, which you were at for a
minute, right? No, I was teaching there. You
were teaching there. the president, John Silber,
who was, you know, very conservative, and he
was pretty active in the Central American, you
know, sponsoring fucking uprisings in Central
America. So there was a professor there named,
you know, this guy, he wrote the book, Howard
Zinn. So Howard Zinn was a professor there and
he used to go after Silber and there was a lot
of debates on campus. There was kids on both
sides and they kept Zinn there because they realized
that was a vibrant voice that students needed
to hear to go against a lot of what was conservative
and there was anti -apartheid marches and there
was a lot of politics. BU was actually very much
like Berkeley in the 60s. BU was very outspoken.
You know you think about The liberal kind like
George Carlin used to tape his comedy specials
at colleges Yeah, and they were much more conservative
back then college campuses were not as liberal
and he would go in there But people were open
to hearing a different voice. Yeah, and now Seinfeld
won't even play it Colleges, I think he said
he does play college. Oh, he does. It's not that
I think Chris Rock does I don't I haven't in
a long I stopped doing them a long time ago.
Mm -hmm I remember I was doing a show in Miami
and I was talking about sex and I remember saying
I Remember like a lot of them look confused I
go how many people are virgins and a bunch of
people clapped and raised their hands like oh
fuck That's crazy I'm like, you should not be
hearing about blow jobs from me. Especially in
this context in a joke form. This is nuts. I
was like, there's just not enough life experience.
People are so set in their ways. Also, they're
so ready to protest things. They're so ready
to show that you're wrong, and they're so ready
to heckle. Oh, Christ. This is not worth it.
I want people with bills. I want people that
have like fucking breakups and divorces and life
experience. They had a couple of cocktails. Those
are my people. Let's talk some shit. Let's have
some fun. I want people that have lived life.
Yeah, and I don't want people that... I don't
even want high school graduates at my shows.
Can you imagine going and doing a show at a high
school? Oh my God. I did one and uh when I was
I was doing a bunch I used to do a lot of colleges
when I was coming up in my 20s dude paid the
rent oh yeah I did a lot of those I used to go
out I'd make like a thousand bucks a show they'd
book me on I'd do 10 shows in seven days because
I would do nooners so I would get I would rent
a car in Chicago and then I would drive through
North Dakota fucking Minnesota in January through
snowstorms I'd do a noon show I remember once
I was in a cafeteria. Nobody knew there was going
to be comedy. They're all just eating lunch.
And all of a sudden there's no stage, there's
no light. I got a microphone and I am plugged
into the same speakers as the pizza joint. So
I would be in the middle of a joke and I'd be
like, Ronnie pepperoni up in the window. I had
a similar gig with Mike Clark. Oh, really? A
one -off. He only did it one time, and I was
the comic that did it. And it was a waiting room
for a restaurant. It was an enormous restaurant
down the Cape. And, you know, you're waiting
for your table to get ready, and you're in a
lounge. And I was telling jokes. I'm like, Johnson,
party of five. Johnson, party of five. Your table's
ready. I'm like, oh, no. And when I realized
it came, it became the running gag of my set.
And it was fun. Yeah, well you remember we used
to do those gigs in New England where if there
was a if the Red Sox were in the playoffs that
TV the sound might be off But the TV was staying
on always. Yeah. Yeah hockey games. Yeah, I read
the bill reckon 99 that by the way You wanted
him on because if they shut it off and then you
had to do comedy that was even worse That was
even worse and if they lost the game that was
bad Yeah, then they turn on you you did it do
the first night I ever did stand -up comedy And
then I didn't do it for a little while after
this, but my first night was the night that the
New England Patriots lost to the Chicago Bears.
It was 1986. And they got fucking crushed. I
forget what the score was, but it was bad. And
I went on Comedy Hell that night. George McDonald
brought me up on Comedy Hell at Stitch's Comedy
Club, and I tanked it. Wow. Yeah, I didn't go
up on stage again for a while after that. Comedy
hell was great. Comedy hell. Remember, he used
to do that little run at the beginning of the
show? This was the open mic night in Boston for
years. Yeah. Sunday night at Stitches. And this
was like, I mean, the lineups when we were doing
it, this was the open mic night, was like, me,
you, Dane. Bill Burr was a little bit after us,
and Mark Maron would be on there, and fucking
Louis would be there. And he would start the
show by going, Welcome to Comedy Hell, where
the pipe dreams of a handful of comedy yokeos
can soar as high as the lights on Broadway or
crash and burn in that fiery pit known only as
Comedy Hell. And then you would see guys who
are like legit pros who do guest bots. Like I
remember one time I watched Teddy Bergeron when
Teddy was in his prime. And people forgot about
Teddy Bergeron. It's really unfortunate because
he had a bunch of personal and substance issues
that kind of derailed his career. But when he
was on in his prime, he was so smooth and so
slick. And I remember watching him because I'd
only done comedy like twice at that time. And
he went up and did a set. I was like, I should
quit now. There's no way. This is so far away
from me. This is so good. It's so polished. And
then he had that big set on The Tonight Show.
And remember we played the piano never see that
said that yeah Fucking genius sat down the couch
with Johnny and his first Johnny brought him
over on his first appearance It's like oh my
god Teddy Bergeron is gonna be a star then apparently
like he's in holly went off the rails Just one
of the rails of drugs and went crazy and partying
and it never worked out for him No, and then
he should have been Huge. But did you hear what
happened after that Tonight Show set? Like, he
wasn't popular in Boston. He had a huge ego.
And then the drinking got bad, and so he did
the Tonight Show, and then he was face down drunk
in front of the next comedy stop, laying on the
stairs. And Don Gavin just walked by and he looked
at him and he goes, didn't I see you on the Tonight
Show? He had a huge ego? They didn't like him?
I don't know. Is that what it was? A lot of those
guys got very resentful of guys who left Boston
and made it. There was a lot of, what about me?
What about me? There was a lot of that when Steven
Wright made it. A lot of guys got very pissed,
because Steven Wright, he's not even a fucking
headliner. There was a lot of that. Well, you
know about the night that he got The Tonight
Show, right? The guy, Jim Downey, who was the
booker for The Tonight Show. This is back in
the 80s, early 80s, and he hears about this comedy
scene in Boston, because you've got Sweeney and
Gavin and Kenny Rogerson. Killers. Killers. And
it was one of the first cities to really explode
in terms of clubs popping up everywhere and lines
of people getting into the shows. And so Jim
Downey goes, all right, let me check it out.
So he flies to Boston. And there was this club
called the Ding Ho, which was the first place
to really house comedy in Boston. So they get
the best of, get all lined up, and they're in
the green room, and they're chopping up lines
of blow, and they're getting on stage, and they're
jokes about, what about the hair in Malden? It's
not as big as the hair in Rivia. And it's like,
that's not gonna play on the Tonight Show. And
they're killing, but none of it is right for
the Tonight Show. And then Steven Wright, who
was, they put him on at a pity at the end of
the show. And I remember, I'm not gonna say which,
but one of the comedians had pulled Steve aside
and said, look, Steven, he'd been struggling
for years, not doing well. And they go, this
is not for you, man. You gotta try something
else. Wow. So Steven Wright goes up and he does
his set and he does good. and they fly him out
the next week for the tonight show. He was the
only one that got it. And they were irate. And
he killed so hard, Johnny said, stay in town.
We're going to bring you back next week. And
he did the show like four or five times that
first year and exploded. It was one of the biggest
comics of the 80s. Wow. That Frans Almeida documentary,
When Stand -Up Stood Out, is great for anybody
who's interested. It was a very unusual time.
And you and I caught the wave. After it had crested.
So it kind of really broke in like 82 to 84 You
and I came in and I came in at 88 and you did
the 86 set that one set But then you did it again
starting 88. Yeah right before me like we started
like the same week. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy
And I think it was still building. It was drifting
away. In the next two years, it had died off
significantly. Well, what happened was there
was so much comedy on TV. There was all these
one -hour shows where everybody did a six -minute
set. Comedy on the road. Half -hour comedy hour
on MTV. And so it got kind of overexposed. And
so the club started opening. everywhere and then
as it fell off, they started papering the rooms,
giving out free passes. And so, I mean, I still
experience, you know, if I go into a new market,
especially if it's like an improv where it's
five or six hundred seats and I'm there for five
shows, they'll give out a fair amount of free
passes. Dude, I feel that immediately. It's not
the same crowd. Yeah, they're not really that
interested in it. It was just something to do.
Yeah. They're not committed to it. So then it
just, and then there were so many rooms and not
enough comedians to do well in those rooms. And
so it kind of sagged and it went away. And I
really wonder now, like we've been in a kind
of, COVID launched, post -COVID launched. comedy
like it's never been at these sites that it's
at right now. I mean, you got people like you
doing arenas, and there's not a couple. There's
a dozen people doing arena shows now. At least,
yeah. And then you've got... Theaters of different
sizes, then you've got clubs of different sizes
Then you've got little pop -up shows all of it.
Don't tell comedy You know about this thing where
they just do like pop -up shows They basically
have a mailing list and they'll announce like
the day before they're doing a show and it'll
sell out It's everywhere Wow, and so I really
everybody's wondering when does this one end
it start? It feels like it's starting to get
a little softer people are talking about it Well,
it's just all dependent on how much talent's
generated. So if you have clubs that are trying
to generate new talent, there's no reason why
it can't be just like Boston. Like Austin, the
street where we have the mothership on, there's
seven clubs within walking distance, seven, that
are at least three, four nights a week. There's
the Sunset Room, that's Red Band's room, that's
right down the street from our club, which is
great. You got Creek in the Cave, which is great,
one block away. You got the Vulcan, which is
great, another two blocks away. It's crazy just
on that street. You got the Black Rabbit. You
got the Velveeta Room. Then you got Cap City,
where a lot of headliners come in, which is about
20 minutes away. Are there little outs? Like
when we started in Boston, there was rooms in
the suburbs in every direction. All over the
place. Is there that? Yeah. All over the place.
Because that's where you can actually make some
money. Yeah. Well, a lot of these comics book
places now. They'll book a comedy night at a
barbecue place, a comedy night. at a bar, they
go to dripping springs, they go to here, they
go to there. I was just talking to a guy the
other day, he's like, yeah, we're doing a comedy
night at my club. I'm like, that's fucking great.
Do you ever do any of them? No. No. No. I remember
when I was at Skank Fest a couple of months ago,
and Mark Normans from New Orleans. Yeah. Fucking
nuts like literally from the time you wake up
until five in the morning where you end up at
Larry Flint's barely legal club Which you know
Louis CK has this whole thing about the barely
legal like all right. Here's the pitch. She's
Barely legal I won't do his bit, but it's very
fun But the point is like Mark Norman is there
and I run into a comic and they go yeah Yeah,
I have this little bar show and yeah, Mark. Norman
just came by and did it Like, I was like, how
fucking cool is that? Oh, he drops in everywhere.
Yeah. Yeah. He does, when he's in town doing
the mothership, he'll go down the street, do
a bunch of sets. Yeah, yeah. But that's the New
York way. Yeah. You know, they go, they do 10
minutes here, 10 minutes there. They hop from
club to club. Yeah. They're used to that. Dude,
you gotta do Skank Fest. Even, stop by Skank
Fest for 24 hours. They've got a nude roast where
literally everybody on stage is nude, including
the judges. And then they've got boxing, comedians
boxing. other outside the green room is filled
with mushrooms and acid and weed and open bars
and then you've got I mean it's basically it's
kind of like when we used to go to the Montreal
Comedy Festival you got big by doing a set in
front of the industry getting a deal and then
hopefully getting on TV Well, that doesn't exist
anymore. Now it's about how do I get canceled?
That's how you get famous. And this is a festival
that is trying to help you get canceled. You
got 7 ,000 people with cell phones taping you,
you know, going on stage and, you know, saying
the most horrendous shit. It is fucking great.
Yeah, everybody who goes says it's awesome. Yeah,
I fully support it. I support the idea. I think
it's really good for comedy. And it's also like
just. It's like the Vegas version of a comedy
festival. You know, what happens in Vegas stays
in Vegas, like go nuts. It's New Year's Eve,
go nuts. It's Skankfest, go nuts. They had Miss
Skankfest contest. And I said the winner, they
reunite the winner with her family, with her
parents. They were like, I mean, it's Skankfest
nines, Skankfest tens, which would be like sixes
in other places. Lot of guys with like cargo
shorts and black sneakers and like anthrax t
-shirts and mullets subscription to gas digital.
Yeah Girlfriends that are impossibly hotter than
they should deserve I don't know what that quotient
is, but there was a lot of that. That's interesting.
Yeah Yeah, it's good. Comedy's at a good place
right now. Tom O 'Neill came with me this year.
Oh, really? And then Duncan Trussell was having
his podcast, and I introduced Tom to Duncan.
Well, first, me, Tom, and Duncan were talking
for like a - We should tell everybody, Tom O
'Neill's the guy who wrote Chaos. Oh, right,
of course. The Charles Manson book. Yes. Who
you introduced me to. Which, by the way, you
have never recommended anybody for the podcast
before. That's right. But that guy, you're like,
dude, you gotta talk to him, because I know how
much you're into Manson, how much you're into
that story. CIA. It's all in there. Crazy. Yeah.
That book is bananas. It's bananas and he's working
on another volume. Really? Yeah. Is he going
to be another 20 years? Has he got an editor?
No, because what happened is it took 20 years
last time because he just kept going down rabbit
holes and then finally his, well, you know, first
he got a big deal. from a major publisher. And
after seven or eight years, they sued him to
get the money. They gave him a lot of money,
and they sued him to get it back. And then he's
driving an Uber. He's teaching English as a second
language. He's fucking, you know, drinking booze
out of a paper cup. And so then... It had to
have paid off, though. The book was giant, right?
No, so what happened was, what happened was,
then his publisher said, look, come on, there's
something here. He paired him up with this other
guy. I wish I could remember the guy's name right
now. Dan something. And he reigned Tom in and
in one year he took, he had shelves around his
apartment filled with binders, with notes. He
had boxes of cassette tapes of interviews. And
this guy somehow got in there and Corey, Corey?
Dan Piperberg. Oh, Dan Piperberg, yeah, who's
a very successful biographer. What is his name
again? Dan Piperberg. Push that up again. Pipe
and bring pipe. Oh pipe and bring. Yeah. Okay,
so he So he reigned him in and got the book out
in a year and they were able to resell it for
a lot of the money Paid back -to -back debt and
now he's hitting I don't want to talk about Tom's
finances, but he's doing he's doing very well
I know so many people that have read that book.
Yeah. Yeah, I mean I've talked about it a hundred
times. Yeah It's amazing. It's amazing. It's
amazing because it's all true. That's what's
nuts. Like the stuff that's verifiable factual
evidence in that story makes you go what the
fuck else did they do that we don't know about?
Right, because Tom is a real journalist. He didn't
put anything in there that wasn't triple corroborated
and he even to his credit at the end does not
say this happened. He said, I never found the
smoking gun. So here's all the evidence. Take
what you will from it. It's a bunch of, I mean,
the thing about Tom is he comes from a family
of geniuses. His brother is the American ambassador
to Haiti. Like they're all like PhDs up there.
He's brilliant. And so he's also Irish and he's
a great Irish storyteller So each chapter whether
you're talking about Jolly West or whatever They're
just in cat each chapter is a great story. Yeah
on top of being good journalism. It's an amazing
book Yeah, I might reread it. I might go back.
Don't listen to it on tape He hates he hates
the book on tape. I thought it was great. I listened
to it. Oh, really? Yeah. Okay. I loved it. Yeah
I would understand why you hate someone else
speaking your words, but he probably shouldn't
have done it. Why didn't he do it? He's a good
speaker. He was great on the podcast. Yeah, he
was great on the podcast. He got better. In his
early interviews, I used to say, Tom, you look
like you're a hostage giving out a message from
the captors with a gun at your head. And then
he got really good at it. Well, on mine, he was
very loose, very comfortable. But he also knew...
It was friendly territory. He knew that I'm a
very good friend of yours and that I was really
excited about it and it was going to help him.
If he does a second one, I would encourage him
to read it. I would encourage him to read it.
I think he could kill it. And to come back on
here? Oh, 100 % I'd have him back on. I'd have
him back on before he does it just to talk about
it. You know, I mean, I think the impact of that
book has opened up a lot of people's eyes to
the fucking shenanigans that were going on back
then. Yeah, when we were at Skankfest, so Duncan
and I are talking to Tom for like a half an hour
and Duncan doesn't know who, I just introduced
him as Tom. And then when I brought up Chaos
and then he wrote it, Duncan's jaw dropped because
he's obsessed with the book. Yeah, so he was
doing a live podcast from skankfest So he hadn't
booked guests yet. So we booked me and Tom to
come on his podcast and and then Kurt Metzger
also trying to stay on point and get to these
and Metzger sitting there he's smoking a joint
the size of my forearm and just Oh my god, he
was manic. He's so funny wrangling him on a podcast.
Yeah, so different than anybody else. Because
he'll go one subject to the next subject. You
don't know about this. And the Kissinger's, you
don't know. You don't know about the Rockefellers.
You don't know about this. What they did in the
60s. You're like, OK, go back to the first thing
you said about what's in school lunches. You
got to bring them back on point. Well, that's
why his girlfriend is so great. Because she is
a mini wrangler of Kurt. She can keep him on
point a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's hilarious.
Such a funny dude. I know. And a good writer.
He's written on a lot of big shows. Oh, he's
a great joke writer. He came on the last time
he did my episode, my podcast rather, the episode
he dressed up like John Lilly, who's the psychedelic
pioneer from the 70s. So he had a coonskin hat
on and a wig and he put on a one -handed glove
with a skeleton. I go, what are you doing? No
one even knows who John Lilly is. This is so
crazy. Yeah, he feels like the kind of guy that
is not hung up on getting famous or getting rich.
He just really enjoys like ideas and communicating
ideas. Exactly. There he is. That's hilarious.
He's a fun hang in the green room too. He's such
a maniac. By the way, today is the... This is
the 25th time I've been on your podcast. Holy
shit, dude. I was looking up yesterday. I was
like, how many times I've been on the fucking
show? This is the 25th. That's crazy. Yeah. That's
crazy. Because we used to do it all the time
when you were just starting out. I know. Yeah.
And a lot of times it was at the ice house. Mm
-hmm. Yep. We did the ice house. He did it at
my house. Yeah. And then when I finally got a
little mini studio and a little strip mall. Yeah.
I know. Those ice house shows were crazy because
We would have a stand -up show going and then
you'd have about six people on the podcast with
a joint going the entire time in this small room
and I have never been high on stage in my life
except for those shows because it was secondhand
smoke. I would literally get so baked in and
then I remember going on stage and then so you
would go from the podcast to the stage and then
you come back on the podcast. People would just
swap out. Yeah, Icehouse Chronicles. Oh my god,
dude. We thought about doing something similar
to that at the mothership, like putting together
a podcast studio at the mothership. We have considered
doing that. You have space for it? No. But I
thought about buying another building next to
me, you know, and then like doing something else
with that too. Yeah. Build another stage too.
I don't think so. I think we have enough stages.
Yeah. Yeah. I think the next move in terms of
a club would be we go to another city. and try
to do the same thing and really put a lot of
time and money and effort into making it right.
Really making it right. Buying a building. One
thing I thought would be really crazy, if I could
buy a big building in New York and recreate the
exact interior of the mothership. Exactly. Well,
that's what the Punchline did in Sacramento.
It's almost the same room as the San Francisco
one. Oh, really? And then I think the Comedy
Cellar Vegas room is similar to the New York
room. Ah, that's good. Yeah. Yeah. I thought
about literally recreating it with the two staircases
to the two separate rooms. Yeah. Like finding
a building that has the same dimensions or similar
dimensions. Kind of perfect. Yeah. I love the
walk to the stage. Because you're in the green
room and you got to go down a flight of stairs
Then you kind of feel the show over your head
as you're walking underneath it tunnel under
the pop -up Yeah, we built all that there was
no tunnel there before we made all that. Oh no
shit Yeah, yeah, we had a build. Oh wow. Yeah,
that was an idea the architect Richard came up
with yeah we just decided somewhere along the
way what was the best way to get to the state
we're trying to figure out how to get to the
stage you don't have to go through the crowd
and he came up with the idea of a tunnel and
it was based on there's like some folklore or
mythology around tunnels in Austin that connect
clubs and like he was all big on the history
of Austin. I feel like it goes back to the gladiators
too, walking under the arena. Well that's why
if you go into the green room all those posters
on the wall are all people that actually performed
at the Ritz. Oh no shit. Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah
when you look up you see Willie Nelson, Black
Flag, all those guys they actually performed
Stevie Ray Vaughan, they actually performed at
the Ritz. There's a photo of Steve Ray Vaughan
as you're walking to the stage. Yeah, yeah, right.
That photo is him on stage at the Ritz. Wow.
In, I think, 1983 or something like that. Damn.
Yeah, so it was a rock and roll club for a long
time. Isn't it funny how Steve Ray Vaughan and
Bill Hicks are kind of the same guy? In what
way? I just feel like they're outlaw Texans who
just like free expression and balls. Genius.
And they kind of had the same style, like the
way they dressed and hair. And I just always
think of them as the same guy. Interesting. Most
people think of Alex Jones as Bill Hicks. Like
there's a rumor that Alex Jones is Bill Hicks.
Which makes no sense. When's the last time you
had that guy on the show? Oh, it's been a while.
It was probably a few years ago. Yeah, I see
him occasionally. Yeah. Yeah, they're still trying
to get a billion dollars out of him Still trying
to the Connecticut shooter. Yeah. Yeah It's crazy.
Does he have a billion dollars? No No, I think
they they made him liquidate his business. I
don't know what's going on with it now Jesus
crazy. Yeah, but the rumor was that he was Bill
Hicks that Bill Hicks was actually Alex Jones.
That's funny. Crazy. Yeah. They were both alive
at the same time. They're very different people.
But it doesn't have to be logical for it to be
a good conspiracy. Yeah. You know, there's people
that still think Tupac's alive. There's a lot
of goofy -ass conspiracies. People think Jim
Morrison's alive. Oh, yeah, yeah. Who's the other
one? Oh, Andy Kaufman, of course. Oh, right.
I had... Who was his sidekick? Andy Kaufman's
sidekick? Bob Zamuda. So I had Bob Zamuda, he
had written a book about Andy Kaufman and claiming
he's still alive. So he comes over to my, I was
doing my show in my garage at that point, and
he comes over and about 45 minutes into the podcast,
I go, so how does Andy's family feel about...
you saying this stuff about him still being alive.
And he's like, oh, they're fine with that. I
said, I kind of heard that they're a little miffed,
that they think it's disrespectful, he's clearly
dead. So we go back and forth, and it gets super
heated. And he flips out, and he throws his chair
over, and he fucking storms out. And that was
the end of the podcast. And I was just like,
all right, that was weird. And I'm here to announce
for the first time, that was a fake. It was an
Andy Kaufman asked stunt really that he flipped
out and left the podcast. Yeah, and you never
talked about it No, we did it in the spirit Andy
Kaufman And people were probably like, oh my
god, this is so late years ago asking about it
Bob's been a meltdown on Greg Fitzsimmons podcast
a very interesting conversation But when it escalates
at the end, it just blows up question real or
Kaufman asked That's funny and you kept it under
wraps. I've never talked about it. That's fun
Yeah, that won't make sense with Zamuda. He would
do that Tony Clifton character. Oh my god He
would dress up as Andy Kaufman's Tony Clifton
and do you know do appearances? Well, yeah Andy
would say I'm coming to Vegas to do the Tony
Clifton character and then Zamuda would be the
one doing it and people eyes would be going like
what the fuck I just paid $150 the Andy Kaufman
Yeah, he did a lot of odd stuff. Yeah, remember
when he worked as a waiter at Jerry's famous
deli. Oh, I didn't know that Oh, no, he worked
as a busboy. There's a photo of him on the wall
while he was on taxi So he was on the biggest
television show in the country Yeah, and he had
like an apron on and he was carrying a fucking
dish tray Filled with like people's dirty dishes.
Yeah that photo Look at that photo. That photo
was on the wall at Jerry's Famous Deli. Andy
Kaufman worked there. So he was on TV. He was
a huge star. And you would go and order a pastrami
ruben, and Andy Kaufman would clean your table.
Yeah. Who about the wrestling women was genius.
Oh, he did a lot of nutty shit, man. Dude, he
locked into that character. People went nuts.
Is that a video? I think so. Oh, that's hilarious.
Well, there's a documentary about it. That's
what was just popping up. Him working at Jerry's
don't have to Oh, so it's a duck just a documentary
about him He was a nut man That was the one movie
where like a lot of people kind of freaked out
about Jim Carrey We're like he kind of got way
too into that role. It's sort of like almost
like Seemed to embody Andy Kaufman. Oh, he talked
about that. It fucked him up afterwards. Yeah
And offstage he was he acted like an asshole
to people how weird which is not like him, right?
Yeah weird Yeah, that that whole method acting
thing becoming a perk especially an actual human
we have to sort of like Figure out their brain
patterns and their behavior patterns and imitate
it and then you get trapped in it. Yeah Well,
since the girl was in talks to play Oh Wow recently
That's what this article is about about that.
It's very confusing because I saw it when I had
that up I saw this screenshot. I'm like, why
is tom in that? Oh interesting. Yeah, this article
from 2024 Oh Interesting I don't know what happened
to it Doesn't seem like much but yeah, that's
all There's a good documentary. It just came
out last week on um mel brooks I mean you can't
understate mel brooks's effect on every whether
you're a comedian or a writer or a comedy director,
that guy just, I mean, when I was a kid, my dad
used to play 2000 year old man for me, those
albums with Rob Reiner, I'm sorry, Carl Reiner.
And I was obsessed and The Producers was my father's
favorite movie, it became my favorite movie.
And, you know, you just think about like, how
fucking, your show of shows as a writer early
on and, you know, and just going on to do - Young
Frankenstein. Young Frankenstein. Blazing Saddles.
Blazing Saddles. You know who the movie talks
about? You know who wrote Blazing Saddles with
him? Who? Richard Pryor. Oh, that makes sense.
Isn't that fucking crazy? He was supposed to
play the sheriff. Wow, Spaceballs. Spaceballs.
Yeah, that's crazy. But it's a two -part documentary.
I only saw the first half. Spaceballs is the
reason why Tesla's Model S is called the Plaid.
Really? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's hilarious. It's
also the reason why the Starship is shaped the
way it is at the tip. Uh -huh. Like Elon wanted
to be like Spaceballs. Yeah. To make it more
pointy. Uh -huh. Oh, that's funny. He loves Spaceballs.
Yeah. That's so funny. Oh yeah, that would be
perfect for him. Of course. Wow. Of course. Yeah.
Of course. Are you gonna get an Optimus when
it comes out? Are you gonna have a robot companion
in your home? Oh, hell yeah. Why wouldn't you?
Because I don't want a robot in my house. Let's
look connected to the internet. I don't have
Alexa. I don't have anything in my home. I don't
have any speakers that can listen to me because
they are listening. Dude, how often are you talking
about, like, I started getting Austin feeds,
little videos in my Instagram feed about Austin.
I never get those. I started getting them yesterday.
What the fuck is that? They know you're coming.
Yeah. Well, didn't, wasn't there a lawsuit? that
Google had to just recently settle, where it
turned out that there were certain times where
your phone was listening to you, which is why
you're getting ads for things that you had discussed.
Oh yeah, happens all the time. But it was a rumor
for a long time. It was like, that's just a conspiracy
theory. Like people are like, this seems weird.
Google settled 68 million in class action over
alleged recording of private conversations. That's
nothing. That's nothing. Yeah, so what is it?
What was the accusation? They have agreed to
pay $68 million to settle a class action lawsuit
alleging they unlawfully recorded users' conversations
through Google Assist -enabled devices without
consent. The proposed Google settlement is pending
approval from a federal judge, U .S. District
Court for Northern District of California. Class
action lawsuit was filed in 2019 after consumers
accused Google of concealing that its assistant
-enabled devices could unintentionally activate
and record conversations inside users' homes.
So that's just for that but that's like Did not
intentionally activate it with a hot word such
as hey google because it's listening to you all
the time So it's listening for you to say hey
google, but that's you know, that's just google
assistant devices I don't have one of those But
yet my phone will bring up suggestions and ads
for things that i've discussed that I haven't
looked up Just have the conversations about it
and it'll pop up. I don't crazy. I don't think
they would tell you Think it's all metadata.
It's all hidden so there's no way to know and
we all know we all kind of know and You know
people go like well. I'm not I'm not a criminal.
I got nothing to hide. Yeah, but you don't understand
the ramifications of this information. If somebody
is in office and they want to start using keywords
to locate people that they're gonna have audited,
like they just, some woman was protesting ICE
and you know, they've got this facial recognition
software that lets them know your name, your
address. Is that Palantir? Is that what they're
using? It's something, no, it's not Palantir.
It's something like that. But this woman went
to the airport, her TSA was What? Yeah! What?
Because she was a protester? Yep. That's it?
Yep. Just protesting? Yep. Really? No, they're
taking your license plate, they're taking people's
faces, and they're running it through. They had
one woman went from a protest to her house and
there was a car parked out front with ICE agents
in it saying, we know where you live. What? Yeah.
That's all she did was go to a protest? Yep.
That's it? I mean, I'm sure she interacted. She
was probably yelling out or whatever. You sure
she wasn't a part of the organizers of the protest
or anything like that? Maybe she was an organizer.
The weird thing is the signal chats and everything,
this is all being very coordinated and very funded.
This is a very coordinated thing, like what they're
doing, where they're doxing these ICE agents
and the whole thing. It's all very fucking weird.
The point about the Google stuff though is...
The people that go, oh, I'm not doing anything
illegal. You are giving them your data and that
data is a commodity and they are getting insanely
wealthy off of getting your data in an unscrupulous
way. They're not telling you they're doing this
thing and they're getting your data. And that
data is making them insanely wealthy and then
they use that wealth. in a bunch of different
ways to influence all sorts of things in the
world. And that's what's going on. Nobody ever
thought that their data was going to be a commodity.
Nobody ever gave a fuck about their email address
or what they're interested in online. But it
turns out that's fucking insanely valuable to
advertisers. And it's also like, you know they're
listening. You know they're listening. They're
listening to things. Yeah, they're listening
and... Yeah, it's it's it there's people now
using a chat GBT to do therapy. Have you heard
about that? Yeah. And do you want to put your
might tell you to kill yourself? Not only that,
but you're telling your inner most. embarrassing
things, you think that's not going to be used
against you at some point? When you try to get
health insurance and health insurance has now
audited what you said to ChatGPT and goes, well,
you're a suicide risk or you're talking about
trying to quit smoking. Now we know you're smoking.
Any details? Wasn't there an instance real recently
where someone had uploaded top secret information
to ChatGPT to a public government official? See
if you can find this. Government official uploaded
to a public chat GPT, not like some secure encrypted
version that the government gets because they
were trying to go over some data. Here it is.
U .S. cyber defense chief accidentally uploaded
secret government info to chat GPT. So they grilled
the acting chief on a mass layoffs and a failed
polygraph. Polygraph is hilarious. So this guy
good luck saying his name Accidentally uploaded
sensitive information to a public version of
chat GBT last summer according Accidentally according
to four Department of Homeland Security officials
with knowledge of the incident Try to say that
guy's name. Got him a cooler. Is that it? Got
him a cooler. Okay. Got him a cooler. He plays
defense for the Rams uploads Fuck a big Polish
guy uploads of sensitive C -I -S -A contracting
documents triggered multiple internal cybersecurity
warnings designed to stop theft or unintentional
disclosure of government material from federal
networks. And this fucking guy's the director
of cybersecurity and infrastructure security?
That's crazy. Well, what does it mean, accidentally
upload? Did it eavesdrop on him or did he say
something that caused ChatGBT to... It seems
like he... Uploaded the data like he was probably
trying to parse out the data. It's just hired
to or just join The information was not confidential
but marked for official use only I Feel like
Russia and China know Everything and we know
everything and we know about Russia and China
right and they're all ratting on each other Palantir
app use ice uses to find neighborhoods to raid.
Yeah, so it is Palantir at least for that Nuts.
Jim Rogan experience, can't afford to pay for
it. Is this it? We're wrapping it up? Let's wrap
this bitch up. No! It's four o 'clock. Can I
name some dates? Fuck yeah. I will be at the
Philadelphia Helium, as I said, Valentine's Day
weekend. Great fucking club. I'm going to be
in Sacramento at the punch line next week. Great
fucking club. And then I'm going to be in Lexington,
Kentucky at Comedy Off Broadway. Great fucking
club. And this is greatfitsimmons .com. Go to
the link for standup dates, plenty of gigs. The
podcasts are Sunday Papers with Mike Gibbons,
which, oh, by the way, thank you for the shout
out. You and Bert Kreischer gave me a little
love bath yesterday. That was nice. So yeah,
he was talking about Sunday Papers I've been
doing with Mike for a long time, and then FitzDogg
Radio that you've been on many times. Ye fucking
ha. All right. We're going to wrap it up. You're
at the mothership this weekend. I'm very excited
about that. You going to come down? Fuck yeah.
Fuck yeah. All right, good. Goodbye.