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Welcome to this curated educational transcript of the Joe Rogan Experience. In this session, we examine the critical perspectives and historical dialogues presented in Episode #[Número del Episodio]. Our goal is to provide a searchable, high-fidelity research resource for students of cultural history, technology, and global discourse. This transcript has been optimized for academic reference and archival preservation regarding
Alright, we're rolling. Here we go. One of the

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things I wanted to talk to you about, I wanted

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to play this, but we decided we shouldn't play

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it because it could get copyright strike and

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we don't want to get the episode, we don't want

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anybody to have any sort of way to get it down.

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But it was the episode of you when you're on

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the view and I think it was 2015 or 2006 like

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when you were running for president, right and

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You sat you got introduced as our friend. Donald

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trump That's right. Whoopi Goldberg gives you

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a big hug and a kiss. Joy Behar gives you a big

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hug Barbara Walters gives you a big hug. They

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all loved you they were all talking about how

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your You might be You might be conservative in

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your financial positions, but you're very liberal

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socially they were talking about you as such

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a favorable light the audience was cheering and

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Then you actually started winning in the polls

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and then the machine started working towards

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you. Yeah, but it's there's probably no one history

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that I've ever seen that's been attacked the

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way you've been attacked and the way they've

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done it so coordinated and systematically when

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you see those same people in the past very favorable

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to you like Oprah when you're on Oprah show very

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she was encouraging you last week I did one of

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her last shows I think maybe Thursday or Friday

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there was a big deal being on Oprah's show the

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last one and I was like one of the last shows

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in that last that final week And I said, boy,

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we've come a long way since that. What was it

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like? Well, the concept, it was really like two

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different lives. You know, I had a very wonderful

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life, but I wanted to do this. The Apprentice

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was still going very strong. We had 12 seasons

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and we had actually 14 seasons, 12 years over.

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They had a couple of them. Well, they canceled

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The Apprentice when you were running for president,

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correct? No, they had Arnold Schwarzenegger do

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it. I was involved in that. Want I had enough

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of it and we did great it was doing great, but

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they wanted me to stay they all came to see me

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They said we're gonna give you a contract They

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wanted to extend my contract mark Burnett is

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a great guy, then they wanted to extend the contract

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mark said you're crazy Don't run don't run nobody

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gives up primetime. They said you know it's one

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of those little things which is Probably true

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nobody gives a prime time though for being president

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for for running well for running against 20 Some

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of our people, you know, turned out to be 18.

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18 professional people, you know, mostly politicians.

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They said, who would do this? I mean, it's a

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long shot. Actually, the heads of NBC came over.

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The Paul Talegni, all the top people came over

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to see me, try and talk me out of it, because

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they wanted to have me extend. The Apprentice

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was doing well. So it was 14 seasons. It was

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12 years. We had one, two seasons where we had

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a double, which rarely happens. It was just a

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hot show. And I said, you know, I want to do

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this. What happened is previously, like three

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years, four years before that, they did a poll.

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They had Mitt Romney. And somehow they put me

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in a poll. And I blew everybody away. I blew

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him away, which isn't that hard, frankly. But

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I blew everybody away. And I said, that's interesting,

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because I never really gave it that much real

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thought. I thought about it, but never real thought.

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But I saw these polls were very good. And so

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I was thinking about doing it then, but I had

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a contract with the apprentice, plus I was building

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two big buildings at the time, and I wanted to

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make sure they got finished up properly, and

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it was one of those things. The kids were just

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sort of getting involved. They're very capable

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kids, but they were getting involved early on.

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So I did that. I got them done. I had some very

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good successes. And I came on, and then I thought

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about it for the next one after the Romney disaster.

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And I ran, and I won against Hillary. It was

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quite an experience, but it was a different life

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because you're right the view I was on the view

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many many times and They loved me just the way

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people would talk I mean even if people had criticisms

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about you people that didn't like you there was

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always feuds and stuff like that, but the reality

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was The thing turned on you when they found out

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that you were going to be president. It was very

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coordinated. And some people are catching on

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to that now. There's a lot of people that were

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long -time Democrats like Elon and Bill Ackman

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and all these different, very intelligent people.

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And they support me now. Bill Ackman supports

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me. He's been very supportive too. This is what

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I wanted to ask you. What was it like? when you

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actually got in? Because nobody really can prepare

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you for that. When you're running for president,

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you don't really know what it's going to be like

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when you actually get into office. What was the

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— what did you think it was going to be like?

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So, do you mean in office or when I decided to

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run? No, when you got in. When I was in. So,

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when I was in and won and was in the White House,

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essentially. Yes. Well, first of all, it was

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very surreal. You know, it's very interesting.

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When I got shot, it wasn't surreal. That should

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have been surreal. When I was laying on the ground,

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I knew exactly what was going on. I knew exactly

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where I was hit. They were saying you were hit

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all over the place because there was so much

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blood from the ear. You would know that better

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than anyone. When they get the ear torn off...

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Ears bleed a lot. Anyway, so... And I was thinking

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the other day, when that happened, I really knew

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where I was. I knew exactly what happened. I

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said I wasn't hit anywhere else. With the presidency,

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it was a very surreal experience, okay? And what's

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day one like? You win, you get inaugurated. Holy

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shit, I'm the president. Yeah, that's what happened.

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So I'm driving down Pennsylvania Avenue. I just

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built a building on Pennsylvania. You know, the

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hotel, the old post office it was. We called

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it Trump National Hotel. And we sold it to the

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Waldorf Historia. And it was a wonderful thing.

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But I'm driving down, I'm passing the hotel.

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You've never seen so many motorcycles, police,

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military. You know, it was a major thing. I got

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off really the first time I used Air Force One,

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landed, and we're coming down, and it was very

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beautiful. I mean, it was incredible. And we're

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going down Pennsylvania Avenue in the opposite

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direction. You know, normally you're used to

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going one way, and all of a sudden you're going

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the other way. The street was loaded up, and

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I wanted to go out. And I wanted to wave to everybody,

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but that wasn't smart. You know, the kids, a

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little bit dangerous, right? I mean, when you

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watch, like, Kennedy and some of these, right?

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But I really felt, I don't know, the love was

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so crazy. And so, I did get out of the car for

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a brief, you know, just for a very short walk.

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I thought it was very important to do. And Melania

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got out with her beautiful dress on that became

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sort of a staple. It was, people loved it. And

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Baron and we're... walking down the street. But

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where it really got amazing, we get to the White

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House, and now it's a little bit before dark,

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beautiful. And we went up to the President's

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quarters. They call them the presidential quarters.

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And I'm standing in this beautiful hallway. You

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know, it's funny, nobody ever talks about the

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White House as being beautiful inside. You know,

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you think it's going to be everything's going

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to be all metal doors and stuff. It's not. It's

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so beautiful. I made my money largely on luxury.

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The hallway is like 25 feet wide. The ceiling

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heights are, you know, it's so beautiful. But

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I was standing there and I said to the guys,

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I want to see the Lincoln bedroom. I had never

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seen the Lincoln bedroom. I'd heard about the

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Lincoln bedroom. And I was standing with my wife.

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I said, do you believe it? This is the Lincoln

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bedroom. I mean, it was like... It was it was

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amazing because it's Look if you love the country,

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but here you are the Lincoln bedroom and the

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bed, you know, he's very tall He was six foot

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six, which then would be like Like Baron, right?

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Would be like Baron Trump. He's six nine, but

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six foot six He was very tall then on top of

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that he were there it is. He wore that. Yeah,

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there it is It's a long bed elongated bed And

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because very, you know, people were shorter than

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you see. Some of the chairs are very, very low

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to the ground, actually. But he had the long

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bed and they had you had the Gettysburg address

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right on that right under that. You can't see

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it here, but right there, the original version

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of the Gettysburg address. And this is the original.

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And I'm looking and I just looked around. I said,

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do you believe this? Because. First of all, even

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if you were a politician, but I was never a politician.

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I sort of just started, right? Right. And all

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of a sudden I'm standing in the White House.

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And it was very, very surreal. That room was

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so beautiful to me, much more beautiful than

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it actually is. You know, to me, when I looked

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at the bed, and the bed you could see was a little

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bit longer, had to be a little bit longer, he

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lost his son. And they suffered, the two of them

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suffered from melancholia. They didn't call it

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depression. They called it melancholia, and they

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suffered from it. He was a very depressed guy,

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and she was a very depressed woman, more so than

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him. And on top of that, they lost their son,

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whose name was Tad, Tad. And it was just seeing

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it in a little picture, a little tiny picture.

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I mean, you can't see the details there. A little

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tiny, everything at the wedding was a little

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tiny picture of Tad, who he lost. And it was

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devastating. And he was, you know, he was...

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Look, he was in a war. And he was having a hard

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time because he couldn't beat Robert E. Lee.

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Robert E. Lee won, like, 13 battles in a row.

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And he was getting, like, a phobia, like a fighter.

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You know, not about the fight stuff. But, like,

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I went to a UFC fight, and it was a champion

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who was 14 -1, about a year ago. You would know

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the names. 14 and 1 and the only guy he lost

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to was this one guy but the guy that he was fighting

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was like Almost just an average fighter lost

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numerous times, but he beat this one guy So I

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said, okay, I really don't know who you're talking

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about. I will figure it out Okay, but about a

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year ago, but the point is that he lost he wasn't

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nearly the fighters though, but The one who was

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not nearly the fighter had beaten. He's the only

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guy that beat them the champ like five years

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before And I said, I'll take the guy that won

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the other fight. And that's what happened. You

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beat him a second time. Sometimes psychological

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advances. No, what is this crazy thing? Lincoln

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had a, I don't know, I've never read this. I

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heard it from people in the White House who really

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understand what was going on with the whole life

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of the White House. But Lincoln had the yips.

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about, in a way, as the golfers would say, he

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had a phobia about Robert E. Lee. He said, I

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can't beat Robert, because Robert E. Lee won

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many battles in a row. He was just beating the

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hell out of him. You know, they tried to get

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Robert E. Lee to be on the North, but he said,

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no, I have to be with my state, you know, and

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the state was his whole thing. And he went to

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the South. And he was, I've had generals tell

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me, we have some great generals, the real generals,

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not the ones you see on television, the ones

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that beat ISIS with me. We defeated ISIS in record

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time. It was supposed to take years, and we did

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it in a matter of weeks. These are great generals.

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These are tough guys. These are not woke guys.

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But their favorite general in terms of genius

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was Robert E. Lee. In terms of strategy, you

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mean? Strategy, strategically. He took a war

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that should have been over in a few days, and

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it was years of hell, a vicious war. So here

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I am standing there, and again, I had never really

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done this before. You know, I ran. I ran a number

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of months before I won. I probably, I guess if

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you figure max it out, it would be a year, something

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like that. So I had never run for office. And

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I did well. I mean, I went into debates. We had

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18 people, including me, and then slowly but

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surely they started to disappear. We had debates,

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good debates. Everyone's aware all this stuff.

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What I want to get to is like what was the experience

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once you got inside? It was just what did you

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think it was gonna be like in terms of like your

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ability to govern? Yeah, like this is your first

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experience governing anything. You've never been

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a governor. You've never been a mayor Yeah, right

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private private stuff business. Yeah, but now

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all of a sudden whether they're inside the White

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House the biggest thing was just that first moment

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of Being in this hallowed. It was really a hallowed

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place to me It was surreal is beyond to me. That's

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that was the experience. It was a surreal experience

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and then with time that wears off with time it

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becomes you know your place where you stay and

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right I was doing a lot of I was I had two things

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that I really focused on governing the country

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and survival Because from the moment I won Before

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I got to office all of a sudden it I mean they

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came down I mean nobody has ever been treated

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that way and And you see that I mean you see

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we're in the Washington Post very early on they

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said well now the impeachment stuff starts And

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it did I mean it literally started from the beginning

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so I had survival and run the nation I had a

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combination most people don't have the survival

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they get in What did you expect though in terms

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of like once you got inside you had a point all

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these people. How many appointments did you have

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to make in a very short amount of time? Well,

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you have actually 10 ,000 appointments. Now,

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they're different. You know, you have big ones,

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and then they appoint 100 people and 200 people.

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But the president really is involved with approximately

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10 ,000 appointments. So you'll appoint a secretary

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of state, and he or she will appoint a lot of

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people. So it's a lot. But in terms of major

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ones, you probably have like 100, but they're

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big ones. Treasury, state. military. And how

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did you know who to appoint? Well, I didn't.

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I had no experience. I was there 17 times in

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Washington and I never stayed over. According

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to the press, which I think is probably right,

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over the years I was only there 17 times, I never

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stayed over. So now I'm sitting there, I'm saying...

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This place is gorgeous, but you know, I don't

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know anybody. It's like you. You know, you go

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to certain areas and other areas, they may be

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great. Washington was great. Washington's not

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so great right now. We got to fix it. We got

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to make it better. A very dangerous place, very

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badly maintained place. We're going to make it

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great. We're going to make it better. We're going

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to bring it back. But I wasn't a Washington guy.

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I was a New York guy. I was a New York builder,

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and I built buildings in New York, and I knew

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that whole world, but I didn't know the Washington

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world too well. and all of a sudden you're supposed

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to be appointing top people, so. What did you

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think it was going to be like? Versus, like,

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did you have any ideas of what it was going to

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be like, and what was different? Well, I was

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always involved in politics, but usually from

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the standpoint of a donor. I was a donor. You

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know, I was a big donor. I gave money to politicians.

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I enjoyed politics. Mostly Democrats, right?

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Both, really. Pretty much both. I actually have

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pictures of Ronald Reagan and me when I was very

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young. Were you a Democrat until, like, what

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year? I was a Democrat... I could get you the

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exact but the the early 90s the early 90s I switched

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over eventually actually They had a reform party.

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I was thinking about doing that for a little

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while But then fortunately I didn't because it's

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very hard, you know, it's a two -party system

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And anytime you hear third party, I know you

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like RFK Jr. and so do I. He's a fantastic guy.

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I do, but I thought that being an independent

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was nonsense. It doesn't work. It doesn't work

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because even if you do great, you're not going

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to get Congress. In other words, you need now

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to say, OK, now I'll get half of Congress. They're

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never going to vote for you. So even if you got

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there, which is very hard. And I know how you

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feel about Bobby, and I feel the same way, and

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he's now with us, but it doesn't, it's pure and

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simple, it's a two -party system. And somebody,

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I won't mention his name, but somebody spent

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$250 million trying to get the nomination as

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a reform party candidate or whatever, and they

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got just nowhere. You just get eaten, the system

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eats you alive. So it was really somebody that

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not only was new to Washington, but was new to

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politics. So in the office of the presidency,

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over the years, all those presidents, you've

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had 92 % were politicians and 8 % were generals.

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General Eisenhower, General Washington, right?

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General George Washington, he had generals. So

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it's 8 % generals, no admirals, 8 % generals.

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92 percent politicians, you know, they're politicians

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and they go on so they never had a business guy

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Or they never had a guy that wasn't elected to

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an office They were all like Ronald Reagan was

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really he was a movie actor and then it but he

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became the governor of California for I think

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two terms and then he ran So you'd never had

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a thing like this, but I you know in terms of

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me and some sometimes I'd use it as an excuse

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and I don't like having excuses actually, but

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I use it as an excuse and I had to rely on people

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that I respected or liked, but that I didn't

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know that well because I didn't know them that

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well. Some of those people I campaigned against,

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because when you have 18 people, we had mostly

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politicians running in the election, running

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in the primaries, and they got knocked out one

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by one. But I got to like some of them. Some

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of them I didn't like at all, and I don't like

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them now. And I'd rely on them and I'd rely on

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other people. So all of a sudden people would

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come in. I'd like to recommend so -and -so to

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be Secretary of State. And I'd have three, four

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people recommend. One thing I can tell you, everybody

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wants the position. Of course. No, no, but sometimes

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they'll hear, a lot of people don't want to work

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with Trump because Trump is tough to work with,

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et cetera. Let me tell you, everybody wants to

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be any one of these positions. They'd die for

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it. Of course. Now, they don't want to be known.

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I mean, there's a particular guy in New York,

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primarily, very big, very big, very successful,

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very strong, very political, although he's not

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a politician. He'd give anything to be Secretary

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of State, but if they ask him, no, I don't think

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I would do it, but in the meantime, begging for

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it, okay, begging. They all, everybody, look,

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everybody wants it. By the way, no matter what

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you do. Every but it's very dangerous to pick

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somebody outside of a politician because a politician

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has been basically vetted for years right you

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pick a business guy And they've never been vetted

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at all and they're you know the head of a big

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company or something But they've never been vetted

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you know nothing about his personal life You

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know nothing about where he's been when you put

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him in it's a little bit dangerous because All

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of a sudden, they get checked up, and you hear

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things that you're saying, wow, this is not going

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to work out too well. So it's very dangerous.

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Picking people that are outside of politics is

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somewhat dangerous. So you're kind of stuck in

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a position where you have to pick established

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people. And then the problem with established

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people is established people are already indoctrinated

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into the system. And they're stiffs, in many

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cases. They're stiffs. They're survivors. I find

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that, you know... What do you mean by stiffs?

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When you say stiffs... They're stiff. They don't

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have... They have nothing, or they're smart and

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survive. One little thing. So there was a congressman

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years before I ran, and I was very close to him.

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And I needed a license on something, and he was

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very important in getting the license. But it

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was a little bit controversial, the license,

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this particular thing that was being licensed.

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But I was close to this guy and helped him and

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everything else. And I went to him. I said, I'd

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like to have your help. And he said, Let me take

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a look at it. I said, oh, that's not too good

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But I really hope you're gonna help anyway He

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tapped me along for a long period of time and

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ultimately didn't do it and I said you are a

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stiff You could have done this thing so easy

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etc, but it was controversial He was in Congress

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for many years like 28 years and you know There's

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a reason when somebody's there for 28 years.

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You got to be sort of smart, right? You know,

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you have a survival and I realized he was a survivor

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And so they never do anything controversial.

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They never take any chances or speak their opinion.

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It's outside of the... Yeah. And yet I don't

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disrespect him for it. I actually respected the

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guy more in a way, in a certain way. Because

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he did survive. You know what? He's been there

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like for 28 years. And he made it through. A

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lot of people don't make it through. It's a good

00:21:01.029 --> 00:21:03.450
way for non -exceptional people to survive. Well,

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it is. It certainly is. So you're in there. You

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have 10 ,000 appointments you have to make. So

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you're getting advice from people. And at one

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point in time, did you have a moment in time

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where you realized, like, these are bad choices,

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like some of these people I shouldn't have had

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in there? Oh, yeah. I think... So the one question

00:21:22.819 --> 00:21:25.059
that you'll ask me, that I think you'll ask me,

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that people seem to ask, and I always come up

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with the same answer. The one mistake, because

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I had a lot of success. Great economy, great

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everything. Everything was great. The military

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rebuilt it, biggest tax cuts in history, all

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this stuff. We had a great presidency. Three

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Supreme Court justices. Most people get none.

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You know, you pick them young. This way, they're

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there for 50 years, right? So, you know, even

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if a president is there for eight years, oftentimes

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they never have a chance. I had three. It was

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sort of the luck of the draw. But I will say

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that it always comes back to the same answer.

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The biggest mistake I made was I picked some

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people. I picked some great people, you know,

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but you don't think about that. I picked some

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people that I shouldn't have picked. I picked

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a few people that... I shouldn't have picked.

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Neocons? Yeah, neocons, or bad people, or disloyal

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people, or... People that were just bad. You

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got bad advice. Yeah. I mean, you're reading

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about them a little bit today. A guy like Kelly

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who was a bully, a bully, but a weak person,

00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:35.519
you know. You know more about bullies than anybody

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probably around because you deal in a certain

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sport where the bullies are exposed very quickly.

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Yeah. But you know... He's bad Bolton was an

00:22:45.059 --> 00:22:47.539
idiot, but he was great for me because I'd go

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in with a guy like a John Bolton You know John

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Bolton friend of my cult called me up. I was

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picking Bolton. He's a very smart guy His name

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is Phil Ruffin. He's a very rich guy from Las

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Vegas one of the he's a great card player He

00:23:00.460 --> 00:23:01.880
doesn't play cards, but he's a great player.

00:23:01.960 --> 00:23:04.960
You know he's just a natural I got poker sense

00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:07.880
right you know good old poker sense and Phil

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Ruffin is is a very very wise kind of a guy and

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very one of the richest people around, and has

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had great success and understands people. So

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it was in that I was picking Bolton, or I picked

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Bolton, he called up. He said, don't pick him.

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Why? He's a bad guy. Now he wasn't in politics

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at all. He's in various businesses. He said,

00:23:31.859 --> 00:23:35.559
he's a bad guy. He's just, it always works out

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bad with that guy. And I said, oh man, I wish

00:23:38.579 --> 00:23:40.220
you told me this two weeks ago. I already hired

00:23:40.220 --> 00:23:44.710
him. You know, he's here. And he was right. But

00:23:44.710 --> 00:23:47.630
he was good in a certain way. He's a nut job.

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And every time I had to deal with a country,

00:23:52.009 --> 00:23:55.369
when they saw this whack job standing behind

00:23:55.369 --> 00:23:58.109
me, they said, oh, man, Trump's going to go to

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war with us. He was with Bush when they went

00:24:00.069 --> 00:24:02.349
stupidly into the Middle East. They should have

00:24:02.349 --> 00:24:04.329
never done it. I used to say it as a civilian.

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So I always got more publicity than other people.

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And it wasn't like I was trying. In fact, Don't

00:24:12.220 --> 00:24:14.460
know exactly why maybe you can tell me what I

00:24:14.460 --> 00:24:16.460
could definitely tell you you said a lot of wild

00:24:16.460 --> 00:24:22.779
shit maybe Wild shit and then CNN in there all

00:24:22.779 --> 00:24:25.079
their brilliance by highlighting your wild shit

00:24:25.079 --> 00:24:28.079
made you much more popular Yeah, and they boosted

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you in the polls because people were tired of

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someone talking in this bullshit, pre -prepared,

00:24:34.930 --> 00:24:37.410
politician lingo. And even if they didn't agree

00:24:37.410 --> 00:24:39.930
with you, they at least knew whoever that guy

00:24:39.930 --> 00:24:42.710
is, that's him. That's really him. When you see

00:24:42.710 --> 00:24:44.670
certain people talk, certain people in the public

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eye, you don't know who they are. You have no

00:24:47.450 --> 00:24:49.670
idea who they are. It's very difficult to know.

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You see them in conversations. They have these

00:24:51.930 --> 00:24:54.170
pre -planned answers. They say everything. It's

00:24:54.170 --> 00:24:56.430
very rehearsed. You never get to the meat of

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it. One of the beautiful things about you is

00:25:00.019 --> 00:25:01.880
that you free ball, like you get out and you

00:25:01.880 --> 00:25:04.759
do these huge events and you're just talking

00:25:04.759 --> 00:25:06.880
and you're making, we've highlighted you on the

00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:08.420
show many times where you, when you did this

00:25:08.420 --> 00:25:09.920
Biden impression where he's walking around, he

00:25:09.920 --> 00:25:11.500
doesn't know what he's doing. It's funny. It's

00:25:11.500 --> 00:25:14.940
stand up. It's funny stuff. But it's like you,

00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:17.079
and you're making fun of Elon one time, you're

00:25:17.079 --> 00:25:19.500
doing an Elon impression. It's great. You have

00:25:19.500 --> 00:25:21.779
like comedic instincts. Like when you said to

00:25:21.779 --> 00:25:24.000
Hillary, you'd be in jail. Like that's great

00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:27.579
timing. But it's like that kind of stuff was

00:25:27.579 --> 00:25:30.420
unheard of as a politician. Like, no one had

00:25:30.420 --> 00:25:32.900
done that. And I think... You know what's funny?

00:25:32.920 --> 00:25:36.460
You need at least the attitude of a comedian

00:25:36.460 --> 00:25:39.279
when you're doing this business. This is a very

00:25:39.279 --> 00:25:40.859
dangerous business, first of all. It's a very

00:25:40.859 --> 00:25:43.259
tough business. It's the most dangerous business.

00:25:43.519 --> 00:25:46.400
Well, for a job? Yes. I mean, other than going

00:25:46.400 --> 00:25:49.039
to war and being a firefighter or being a cop,

00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:51.200
it's the most dangerous business. It's the most

00:25:51.200 --> 00:25:53.400
dangerous. Being president is the most dangerous.

00:25:53.460 --> 00:25:56.410
Especially you. I mean, you haven't even got

00:25:56.410 --> 00:25:58.349
to the election. There's been two assassination

00:25:58.349 --> 00:26:01.269
attempts, and they've brushed those out of the

00:26:01.269 --> 00:26:02.809
news like it was nothing. Yeah, they'd rather

00:26:02.809 --> 00:26:05.029
not talk about them. Imagine if there was an

00:26:05.029 --> 00:26:07.509
assassination attempts on Biden, how hard people

00:26:07.509 --> 00:26:09.589
would be attacking the right, how they would

00:26:09.589 --> 00:26:12.329
be trying to get guns taken away from people.

00:26:12.430 --> 00:26:14.490
They would try to ramp up gun laws. They would

00:26:14.490 --> 00:26:16.890
try to figure out some way to blame you. If there

00:26:16.890 --> 00:26:19.329
was a tax on if Biden got shot in the ear, we

00:26:19.329 --> 00:26:21.670
would have never heard the end of it. But I think

00:26:21.670 --> 00:26:24.250
he's in good shape because it's only kind of

00:26:23.599 --> 00:26:25.960
sequential presidents. If you take a look at

00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:29.960
what's happened, look, I'm for having countries

00:26:29.960 --> 00:26:32.980
pay us billions and billions and trillions even

00:26:32.980 --> 00:26:35.160
dollars. I took in hundreds of billions of dollars

00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:37.460
from China. Nobody took in 10 cents, not one

00:26:37.460 --> 00:26:40.839
other president. I do things that make it, I

00:26:40.839 --> 00:26:43.819
mean, that don't necessarily make me so popular.

00:26:43.859 --> 00:26:46.180
I just do what's right. And when you do that,

00:26:46.200 --> 00:26:48.920
you know, you're more, look at Iran. We would

00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:51.750
have never had the attack on Israel at all. Iran

00:26:51.750 --> 00:26:54.630
was broke. I told China, if you buy, you can't

00:26:54.630 --> 00:26:57.069
do business in the United States under any circumstances.

00:26:58.029 --> 00:27:00.390
We're going to go cold Turkey with China. Some

00:27:00.390 --> 00:27:01.750
people think that would have been a good idea

00:27:01.750 --> 00:27:04.950
anyway. But if you buy any oil, one barrel of

00:27:04.950 --> 00:27:06.789
oil from them, you're not doing business. I said

00:27:06.789 --> 00:27:09.430
that to many countries. Iran was broke. They

00:27:09.430 --> 00:27:11.849
had no money for Hezbollah. They had no money

00:27:11.849 --> 00:27:15.430
for Hamas. They had no money. But I make myself,

00:27:15.809 --> 00:27:17.670
you know, I mean, I understand what I'm doing.

00:27:18.109 --> 00:27:22.000
You make yourself a target. And it's a very dangerous

00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:24.880
business. But if you just look at statistically,

00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:28.420
so I said I sort of think I don't know if it's

00:27:28.420 --> 00:27:30.460
right, but one tenth of one percent for a race

00:27:30.460 --> 00:27:32.380
car driver. Yeah, it's pretty dangerous business,

00:27:32.380 --> 00:27:36.190
right? Yeah. One tenth of one percent. For a

00:27:36.190 --> 00:27:39.269
bull rider, I tell you, to me, these guys that

00:27:39.269 --> 00:27:42.009
ride the bulls is worse than UFC. These guys,

00:27:42.109 --> 00:27:44.829
you see these big monster bulls and you see it

00:27:44.829 --> 00:27:48.210
in slow motion where the foot is like, you know,

00:27:48.390 --> 00:27:50.049
an inch away from the head. If it hits them,

00:27:50.089 --> 00:27:51.730
the guy's gone. But they die, you know, they

00:27:51.730 --> 00:27:53.609
die. So one -tenth of one percent die, is that

00:27:53.609 --> 00:27:55.509
what you're saying? Yeah, one -tenth of one percent

00:27:55.509 --> 00:27:57.670
die. Right. And they certainly get hurt badly,

00:27:57.869 --> 00:27:59.630
really. I mean, they can't walk after a certain

00:27:59.630 --> 00:28:03.529
period of time. But with a president, if you

00:28:03.529 --> 00:28:05.700
look at... The amount of assassination attempts.

00:28:06.259 --> 00:28:08.740
And attempts, too. And attempts. No, it's a very

00:28:08.740 --> 00:28:10.559
dangerous position. I never thought of that,

00:28:10.559 --> 00:28:12.960
by the way, when I did it. You know, you don't

00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:14.759
tend to... Did you just assume because people

00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:16.259
loved you on The Apprentice they were gonna love

00:28:16.259 --> 00:28:17.240
you as a president? Well, I figured it would

00:28:17.240 --> 00:28:18.559
be so easy. You know, it's very interesting.

00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:21.299
Well, it probably would have been if the media

00:28:21.299 --> 00:28:23.720
didn't attack you the way they did. If they didn't

00:28:23.720 --> 00:28:26.039
conflate you with Hitler. I mean, even today,

00:28:27.180 --> 00:28:28.819
like, Kamala was talking about you and Hitler.

00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:30.619
They're gonna take what you said about Robert

00:28:30.619 --> 00:28:33.279
E. Lee. Oh, Donald Trump was just the South One.

00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:34.359
Oh, he loves Robert E. Lee. That's right. He

00:28:34.359 --> 00:28:36.720
loves Robert. They love to take things out of

00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:39.700
context and distort things. But they don't even

00:28:39.700 --> 00:28:41.660
have to take them out. They make them up entirely.

00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:43.599
OK, they do that too. But you know, it's interesting

00:28:43.599 --> 00:28:47.819
when you mentioned the I was very popular and

00:28:47.819 --> 00:28:51.420
and all those people love me. I mean, this some

00:28:51.420 --> 00:28:55.019
of these these women, they're so they're so stupid

00:28:55.019 --> 00:28:59.500
and joy. She would every time she'd see me like

00:28:59.500 --> 00:29:02.400
I'd be in. the theater or something. You have

00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:03.900
to be on the show again. Come on, come on, let's

00:29:03.900 --> 00:29:07.000
go. She loved you. Love me that episode where

00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:09.380
people should watch that episode just to see

00:29:09.380 --> 00:29:10.859
what we're talking about Like I said, we don't

00:29:10.859 --> 00:29:12.240
want to get a copyright strike. So we're not

00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:14.559
gonna put it up. But if you watch the episode,

00:29:14.839 --> 00:29:17.119
it's bananas It's like an alternative universe

00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:20.400
and it's only but whoopie nine years ago whoopie

00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:22.700
Loved you gives you a hug and a kiss and how

00:29:22.700 --> 00:29:24.519
about that other one the new one on there? The

00:29:24.519 --> 00:29:27.839
the one from my administration. She writes me

00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:30.319
a letter. You're the greatest president She leaves,

00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:33.059
you know, she worked as like an assistant press

00:29:33.059 --> 00:29:35.640
secretary. I hardly knew her But she leaves and

00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:38.380
she writes me this gorgeous letter. What's her

00:29:38.380 --> 00:29:42.079
name? She was, I don't even know. Anyway, she

00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:44.180
was in the administration. She's on now currently.

00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:46.640
Sits on the far right -hand side, whatever the

00:29:46.640 --> 00:29:49.720
hell her name is. And she writes a letter, the

00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:52.039
most beautiful letter. She's quoted in the paper.

00:29:52.500 --> 00:29:54.839
He's a consequential. He was the greatest president,

00:29:55.019 --> 00:29:57.220
blah, blah, blah. Then all of a sudden she goes

00:29:57.220 --> 00:29:58.500
to an interview and she started hitting the hell

00:29:58.500 --> 00:30:01.079
out of me. Because they won't hire unless I've

00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:03.259
had many people go on CNN and they call said

00:30:03.259 --> 00:30:05.519
I don't know what to do what They want to pay

00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:07.420
me a lot, but I have to be negative and you I

00:30:07.420 --> 00:30:09.460
said be negative. That's okay There are guys

00:30:09.460 --> 00:30:13.380
on like CNN. They won't hire them Sean Duffy

00:30:13.380 --> 00:30:16.519
is a you know, congressman and he retired He

00:30:16.519 --> 00:30:19.039
got a good job with CNN, but he was only positive

00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:22.420
about Trump So they kept him but they would never

00:30:22.420 --> 00:30:25.259
put him on I mean, I respect what he did. He

00:30:25.259 --> 00:30:27.579
could have gone, you know negative I tell people

00:30:27.660 --> 00:30:30.700
Go negative. Let my friends make the money. It's

00:30:30.700 --> 00:30:33.079
so crooked. The press is so crooked. It's crooked,

00:30:33.099 --> 00:30:35.720
but it's also, they're diminishing themselves.

00:30:36.579 --> 00:30:37.980
They're hurting themselves. They're killing all

00:30:37.980 --> 00:30:40.400
their credibility. And it's opening up the credibility

00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:42.240
to new media. It's opening up the credibility

00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:44.599
to independent media. The worst I've ever seen,

00:30:44.940 --> 00:30:47.180
though, and I've seen the worst. I mean, I've

00:30:47.180 --> 00:30:50.140
been a part of it. I've seen the worst. Kamala

00:30:50.140 --> 00:30:54.700
goes on, 60 minutes, gave an answer that a child

00:30:54.700 --> 00:30:58.269
wouldn't give. It was so bad. and 60 minutes

00:30:58.269 --> 00:31:01.369
took the answer out. They took the whole, and

00:31:01.369 --> 00:31:04.269
they put another answer in. They edited it deceptively.

00:31:04.289 --> 00:31:05.930
Which didn't make sense either, but it was better.

00:31:06.670 --> 00:31:08.650
They took the, well, it wasn't editing, it was

00:31:08.650 --> 00:31:10.910
fraud. This was not editing. You know, editing

00:31:10.910 --> 00:31:13.410
is where I'll give an answer and they'll take

00:31:13.410 --> 00:31:15.009
a couple of words and change them around, or

00:31:15.009 --> 00:31:16.789
they might even take a sentence or two off, which

00:31:16.789 --> 00:31:19.829
is very bad. But that's, it's sort of bad. You

00:31:19.829 --> 00:31:21.529
know, I'd give an answer, which was a very good

00:31:21.529 --> 00:31:24.430
answer. I always talk about, you know, I like

00:31:24.430 --> 00:31:26.819
to give long the weave. You know, I like to hear

00:31:26.819 --> 00:31:28.339
that. Yeah, you like to weave things in. But

00:31:28.339 --> 00:31:30.400
when you do the weaves, and you have to be very

00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:32.559
smart to do weaves, when you do the weave, look

00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:34.339
at this, just in this one thing, we're talking

00:31:34.339 --> 00:31:36.180
about little pieces over here, but it always

00:31:36.180 --> 00:31:37.700
ends up, gotta get back to home. No, no, it comes

00:31:37.700 --> 00:31:39.720
back home for the right people. For the wrong

00:31:39.720 --> 00:31:41.259
people, it doesn't come back home and they end

00:31:41.259 --> 00:31:45.240
up in the wilderness, right? But they can take

00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:47.519
my answer, and you know what, they may take a

00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:49.500
little piece of it out or something, and they

00:31:49.500 --> 00:31:51.900
use the term, yes, we want to save time. Well,

00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:55.329
it's not, but. I've never heard. I think it's

00:31:55.329 --> 00:31:57.509
the biggest scandal in broadcast history. What

00:31:57.509 --> 00:32:00.990
happened to CBS? So you have CBS 60 Minutes.

00:32:01.069 --> 00:32:03.289
That's a news program. It's not an entertainment

00:32:03.289 --> 00:32:05.089
program. It's under their news. It's the head

00:32:05.089 --> 00:32:08.849
of their news thing. She gives an answer that

00:32:08.849 --> 00:32:12.430
shows that she's essentially incompetent. And

00:32:12.430 --> 00:32:14.230
they took the answer. Could you imagine them

00:32:14.230 --> 00:32:15.950
doing that for me? We can show it if you want

00:32:15.950 --> 00:32:18.470
people to see it. Can we show it? No? We get

00:32:18.470 --> 00:32:21.490
in trouble. We'll get copyright strike. OK, I'll

00:32:21.490 --> 00:32:24.549
listen. Anyone can find it. But it's it's drastic.

00:32:24.809 --> 00:32:28.930
But what was interesting was the other full version

00:32:28.930 --> 00:32:31.329
was available initially. It was like a preview.

00:32:31.509 --> 00:32:33.309
Somebody made a big mistake. Somebody put that

00:32:33.309 --> 00:32:35.569
preview out. Some kid put the preview out. Exactly.

00:32:35.650 --> 00:32:37.690
And then the bosses did this or that. And then

00:32:37.690 --> 00:32:39.990
all of a sudden said, we got a problem. Exactly.

00:32:40.089 --> 00:32:43.170
And then they got caught by mistake. Well, don't

00:32:43.170 --> 00:32:45.589
you think that's a bit to me? And don't forget,

00:32:45.750 --> 00:32:49.049
this is election interference and fraud. And

00:32:49.049 --> 00:32:53.309
it's 60 minutes. It's their news division. It's

00:32:53.309 --> 00:32:55.930
a big deal. They give those licenses out, Joe,

00:32:55.930 --> 00:32:58.450
for free. They should pay a fortune. They're

00:32:58.450 --> 00:33:01.069
worth a fortune. They give them out for free

00:33:01.069 --> 00:33:03.789
because they're using the public airwaves. With

00:33:03.789 --> 00:33:05.630
cable, you don't have that. Cable's different.

00:33:06.430 --> 00:33:09.730
But it's just a different deal. But with the

00:33:09.730 --> 00:33:13.349
networks, they're worth billions of dollars.

00:33:13.710 --> 00:33:15.470
They give them out free. But you have to be honest

00:33:15.470 --> 00:33:18.269
and all. That was bad. I think that David Muir

00:33:18.269 --> 00:33:20.609
and that woman that was aside, I never even heard

00:33:20.609 --> 00:33:23.029
of her, but they kept interrupting me. It was

00:33:23.029 --> 00:33:25.130
like, I said, how many people am I debating here?

00:33:25.289 --> 00:33:28.609
I got this one and I got you two. But he went

00:33:28.609 --> 00:33:30.990
after me 11 different times. You know, it's interesting.

00:33:31.529 --> 00:33:33.250
I always thought he was a nice guy, but he's

00:33:33.250 --> 00:33:35.940
just like the rest of them, you know? That's

00:33:35.940 --> 00:33:38.740
his job, unfortunately, and I'm sure what they

00:33:38.740 --> 00:33:41.099
want. You're right. Well, the problem was they

00:33:41.099 --> 00:33:43.380
fact checked you and they didn't fact check her.

00:33:43.500 --> 00:33:45.480
And one of the most egregious examples of that

00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:48.740
was when she said that there is there are no

00:33:48.740 --> 00:33:51.660
troops right now deployed in war zones. There's

00:33:51.660 --> 00:33:54.099
a very famous viral video that went online of

00:33:54.099 --> 00:33:57.319
troops in a war zone saying, well, what the fuck

00:33:57.319 --> 00:34:00.200
are we then? Because there's thousands of them.

00:34:00.299 --> 00:34:03.799
Dan Crenshaw, the congressman, posted on his

00:34:03.799 --> 00:34:08.719
Instagram. all of the various examples of troops

00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:10.940
that are deployed, thousands and thousands of

00:34:10.940 --> 00:34:13.360
troops that are currently deployed. But the point

00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:16.280
is, if this is going to be an actual real debate

00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:18.179
and not a propaganda exercise, if it's going

00:34:18.179 --> 00:34:20.099
to be a real debate, you have to fact check everybody.

00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:22.960
Like if someone says maybe she thought there

00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:25.619
was no, which is also a problem. So it's one

00:34:25.619 --> 00:34:28.760
of two things. It's either it was Not true. It

00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:32.300
was a lie on purpose, which is terrible. Or it

00:34:32.300 --> 00:34:34.460
was the opposite. It was ignorance, which is

00:34:34.460 --> 00:34:36.699
also terrible. Well, Joe, when I said crime is

00:34:36.699 --> 00:34:39.639
soaring, he said, no, no, crime has gone down.

00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:42.159
I said, where did you hear that one? Crime has

00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:44.579
gone down. I mean, I'm debating with this guy,

00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:47.159
but I've had that. Well, there was amended FBI

00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:49.380
statistics that came out after that that showed

00:34:49.380 --> 00:34:51.059
that crime had gone up substantially. And by

00:34:51.059 --> 00:34:53.639
the way, the statistics were fraud. Because when

00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:55.739
they put out the statistics, they didn't include

00:34:55.739 --> 00:34:57.539
some of the worst places. They didn't include

00:34:57.539 --> 00:35:00.079
some of the worst cities, some of the most deadly

00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:02.880
places. But when the real numbers came out, I

00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:04.880
turned out to be right. You turned out to be

00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:06.960
right, but then there's another problem. Unreported

00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:09.659
crime is way up. Because people have lost, look,

00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:11.880
the morale that the police department has in

00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:13.199
a lot of these cities where they've done this

00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:15.980
defund the police bullshit, the morale of these

00:35:15.980 --> 00:35:18.400
poor cops, it's fucking horrible. It's the dumbest

00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:21.619
idea of all time. But what they've done is they've

00:35:21.619 --> 00:35:24.199
made these cops feel terrible, like good cops.

00:35:24.579 --> 00:35:26.900
I think cops are just like everybody else. Most

00:35:26.900 --> 00:35:28.639
of them are great. It's like everybody else.

00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:30.679
But if you run into one carpenter and he does

00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:33.000
a shitty job in your house, he'd say, carpenters

00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:35.639
fucking suck. But they don't suck. Most of them

00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:37.380
are great. And that's a key thing with cops.

00:35:37.539 --> 00:35:40.960
But the point is, like, they did all of these

00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:44.920
things in this very foolish way. And these cops

00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:46.679
are suffering the consequences of it. And so,

00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:48.860
subsequently, what happens is a lot of crime

00:35:48.860 --> 00:35:51.579
is unreported. A lot of crime, like, you call

00:35:51.579 --> 00:35:53.420
the cops. They're too busy. They can't even get

00:35:53.420 --> 00:35:55.480
to you. Or your house got broken into. Sorry.

00:35:55.920 --> 00:35:58.179
You know, it doesn't even make a report. There's

00:35:58.179 --> 00:36:00.760
a lot of people that they just give up. It's

00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:03.619
so sad what's happened. And I'll tell you what.

00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:08.179
I go to police funerals, and we went to one in

00:36:08.179 --> 00:36:10.320
Long Island. I visited the family in Long Island.

00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:13.760
A very big deal. It's so dangerous. People don't

00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:19.059
realize. The car, dark windows, pull over. He's

00:36:19.059 --> 00:36:21.559
a gentleman. Please pull over. Door opens. Guy

00:36:21.559 --> 00:36:24.900
comes out firing. Even if they were allowed to

00:36:24.900 --> 00:36:27.159
pull out their gun, which they're not, they can't,

00:36:27.159 --> 00:36:28.940
you know, pull out their gun. They still wouldn't

00:36:28.940 --> 00:36:30.239
have time. It's every cop's worst nightmare.

00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:34.429
They open the door. And he was killed and his

00:36:34.429 --> 00:36:37.750
partner was hurt he was killed and you don't

00:36:37.750 --> 00:36:39.809
have I mean you don't even have an eighth of

00:36:39.809 --> 00:36:43.150
a second to think and It is such a dangerous

00:36:43.150 --> 00:36:45.530
job that in particular think of it you go up

00:36:45.530 --> 00:36:47.329
to a car You don't know who's sitting there with

00:36:47.329 --> 00:36:49.750
a gun and if they have a gun you really don't

00:36:49.750 --> 00:36:51.070
have a chance You're not allowed to have your

00:36:51.070 --> 00:36:52.630
gun out by the way. Yep. They're very strict

00:36:52.630 --> 00:36:56.210
rules So number one there, but even if you could

00:36:56.210 --> 00:36:59.579
have your gun out The door opens and bullets

00:36:59.579 --> 00:37:02.420
start firing out, especially where they have

00:37:02.420 --> 00:37:04.300
the dark windows, where they have the darkened

00:37:04.300 --> 00:37:08.519
windows. It is such a dangerous profession. And

00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:11.460
it's very hard to get cops now because they're

00:37:11.460 --> 00:37:15.400
not given any backup. And you're right. They

00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:17.599
have like an eighth of a second to make a decision

00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:19.880
that's going to change their life. If they make

00:37:19.880 --> 00:37:21.440
the wrong decision, they're going to end up on

00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:24.380
the front page of every newspaper in the country.

00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:26.500
And they're going to lose their house, and their

00:37:26.500 --> 00:37:28.860
pension, and their job, and their wife is going

00:37:28.860 --> 00:37:30.539
to be gone, and everything is going to be gone?

00:37:30.539 --> 00:37:31.900
Absolutely. And here's another thing that people

00:37:31.900 --> 00:37:33.679
don't talk about. How many of them have PTSD?

00:37:34.460 --> 00:37:36.519
Probably most of them. These guys are seeing

00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:39.860
people shot all the time. I've talked to a ton

00:37:39.860 --> 00:37:42.539
of cops about it. A lot of cops commit suicide.

00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:45.579
A lot of cops are deeply depressed. But we have

00:37:45.579 --> 00:37:50.199
to give them back their dignity. We just have

00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:52.480
to give a backseat. You said it's so good. You

00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:54.880
never hear anybody say that. You're never going

00:37:54.880 --> 00:37:56.340
to have it perfect. You're going to have a bad

00:37:56.340 --> 00:37:58.679
apple. In everything. In every profession. But

00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:00.980
every time there's a bad apple, that gets massive

00:38:00.980 --> 00:38:03.699
publicity. It taints everybody else. But it's

00:38:03.699 --> 00:38:05.820
also this very irresponsible thing where people

00:38:05.820 --> 00:38:07.980
say, defund the police, get rid of the police.

00:38:08.260 --> 00:38:11.119
Even Kamala Harris was a part of that. It's a

00:38:11.119 --> 00:38:12.719
very stupid way to look at it. What you should

00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:14.539
do is fund the police. You should have better

00:38:14.539 --> 00:38:17.179
training. You should have cops that feel more

00:38:17.179 --> 00:38:19.900
appreciated. You should have something that helps

00:38:19.900 --> 00:38:22.320
mitigate this PTSD that all of them suffer through.

00:38:22.900 --> 00:38:26.000
She was a big part of defund the police. That

00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:28.019
was a big thing for her, defund the police. Always

00:38:28.019 --> 00:38:30.960
defund the police. Well, it's a political idea,

00:38:31.139 --> 00:38:33.440
right? But anybody with that political thought,

00:38:33.539 --> 00:38:35.619
I don't think should be running for president.

00:38:35.739 --> 00:38:38.480
And I think people are getting wise to it. You

00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:39.800
know, we're doing pretty well now. I don't know.

00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:42.079
Maybe in a week from now, say, sorry about that.

00:38:42.139 --> 00:38:45.000
I was wrong. But we're leading everything. And

00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:47.039
I think we're going to have a very good election.

00:38:47.300 --> 00:38:49.239
But I tell people, because people are starting

00:38:49.239 --> 00:38:52.320
to get to know her. But she was to fund the police.

00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:55.320
She was to all these transgender operations.

00:38:55.800 --> 00:38:57.539
You know, if you wanted a sex change and you

00:38:57.539 --> 00:38:59.960
were in detention and you demanded a sex change,

00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:02.800
they would give you a sex change. Well, the wildest

00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:06.460
one is this idea of giving free sex change to

00:39:06.460 --> 00:39:09.000
illegal immigrants. That's right. In detention.

00:39:09.619 --> 00:39:12.840
That is the wildest thing. Is that the biggest

00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:14.960
problem you have? You just walked here from Guatemala.

00:39:15.019 --> 00:39:16.980
You need to become a girl. But she was in favor

00:39:16.980 --> 00:39:20.039
of it. Yes. So think of it. Now, she changed.

00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:23.320
She changed 15 policies. In fact, I'm going to

00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:25.780
send her a MAGA cap. She stole your idea about

00:39:25.780 --> 00:39:29.599
no tax for tips. I came up with this idea that,

00:39:29.639 --> 00:39:33.300
honestly, nobody ever heard of. Now, it took

00:39:33.300 --> 00:39:35.639
her two months, but you know what? It caught

00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:37.719
fire. And she just put it into a little speech.

00:39:38.340 --> 00:39:40.900
But I think we still have that issue. I think

00:39:40.900 --> 00:39:43.900
that issue is a good one for us. No, we have

00:39:43.900 --> 00:39:45.739
a lot of good issues. You know, we had the other

00:39:45.739 --> 00:39:47.340
day. Think of how simple some of these things

00:39:47.340 --> 00:39:49.900
are. We're trying to get cars built in the United

00:39:49.900 --> 00:39:51.980
States. Detroit has been really tough. It's been

00:39:51.980 --> 00:39:55.159
a disaster. They have a huge factory, a huge

00:39:55.159 --> 00:39:57.679
car auto plant being built by China in Mexico.

00:39:57.820 --> 00:39:59.460
Make cars, sell them in the United States, put

00:39:59.460 --> 00:40:01.119
everybody out of business, right? Here we go

00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:04.760
again. I said, if that plant is there when I'm

00:40:04.760 --> 00:40:08.340
president, I will put 100 or 200 percent tariffs

00:40:08.340 --> 00:40:11.199
on every car. They'll be unsaleable in the United

00:40:11.199 --> 00:40:13.590
States. And they just announced they're not going

00:40:13.590 --> 00:40:15.150
to build the plant because they think I'm going

00:40:15.150 --> 00:40:16.550
to win. Think of it. They're not going to build

00:40:16.550 --> 00:40:19.230
the plant. This was the biggest plant in the

00:40:19.230 --> 00:40:23.510
world. More than all of Michigan makes. That's

00:40:23.510 --> 00:40:25.489
how big. You know, this is what we're getting

00:40:25.489 --> 00:40:29.610
to. And I said, if that plan goes up, I want

00:40:29.610 --> 00:40:32.320
them to understand, if I win... I'm going to

00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:35.300
tax those cars at the rate of 100 or 200 percent

00:40:35.300 --> 00:40:37.500
apiece so that you won't be able to sell them

00:40:37.500 --> 00:40:39.539
in the United States. They just announced they're

00:40:39.539 --> 00:40:41.019
not going to build the plant. Yeah, I read that.

00:40:41.019 --> 00:40:45.159
I did a big favor for our country by doing that.

00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:48.539
And I'm not even there yet. To me, the most beautiful

00:40:48.539 --> 00:40:50.019
word, and I've said this for the last couple

00:40:50.019 --> 00:40:54.579
of weeks in the dictionary today, is the word

00:40:54.579 --> 00:40:58.079
tariff. It's more beautiful than love. It's more

00:40:58.079 --> 00:41:00.280
beautiful than anything. It's the most beautiful

00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:04.969
word. This country can become rich with the use,

00:41:05.329 --> 00:41:07.809
the proper use of tariffs. It'll keep - Did you

00:41:07.809 --> 00:41:11.050
just float out the idea of getting rid of income

00:41:11.050 --> 00:41:13.809
taxes and replacing it with tariffs? Well, okay.

00:41:13.809 --> 00:41:15.909
Were we serious about that? Yeah, sure. But why

00:41:15.909 --> 00:41:19.230
not? Because we - ready? Our country was the

00:41:19.230 --> 00:41:23.010
richest in the - relatively, in the 1880s and

00:41:23.010 --> 00:41:26.650
1890s. A president who was assassinated named

00:41:26.650 --> 00:41:30.019
McKinley. He was the tariff king. He spoke beautifully

00:41:30.019 --> 00:41:33.500
of tariffs. His language was really beautiful.

00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:38.260
We will not allow the enemy to come in and take

00:41:38.260 --> 00:41:41.159
our jobs and take our factories and take our

00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:43.940
workers and take our families unless they pay

00:41:43.940 --> 00:41:47.780
a big price and the big price is tariffs. And

00:41:47.780 --> 00:41:50.980
he'd speak like that, but he was right. And then

00:41:50.980 --> 00:41:53.340
around in the early 1900s, they switched over

00:41:53.340 --> 00:41:56.440
stupidly to, frankly, an income tax. You know

00:41:56.440 --> 00:41:58.739
why because countries were putting a lot of pressure

00:41:58.739 --> 00:42:00.539
on America. We don't want to pay tariffs Please

00:42:00.539 --> 00:42:03.280
don't you know they believe me they control our

00:42:03.280 --> 00:42:06.440
politicians if you look at the kind of numbers

00:42:06.440 --> 00:42:11.539
that these guys make then and now but we had

00:42:11.539 --> 00:42:15.800
a commission meeting in the Eight I think was

00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:20.119
1887 think of this problem We were so rich. We

00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:23.380
had so much money. We didn't know what to do.

00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:26.789
So they set up a blue ribbon commission on tariffs,

00:42:27.809 --> 00:42:30.510
and the sole purpose is what to do with all the

00:42:30.510 --> 00:42:34.050
money we had. We were so rich because we were

00:42:34.050 --> 00:42:36.610
taxing other people for coming in and taking

00:42:36.610 --> 00:42:40.110
our jobs. And China does it. That's what China

00:42:40.110 --> 00:42:43.230
did. If you want to open a factory and sell cars,

00:42:43.309 --> 00:42:45.409
if you build a factory here or have a factory,

00:42:45.489 --> 00:42:47.469
they don't take our cars. They wouldn't take

00:42:47.469 --> 00:42:50.690
our cars. But if you build a plant in China,

00:42:51.329 --> 00:42:53.929
You can do that Elon did that by the way Elon

00:42:53.929 --> 00:42:57.070
is great. That guy is such a great guy I think

00:42:57.070 --> 00:43:00.750
you're a fan alone. He is from a different planet.

00:43:00.750 --> 00:43:03.650
He's the greatest guy that rocket coming in.

00:43:03.650 --> 00:43:08.269
Yeah I'm I'm I told the story once or twice So

00:43:08.269 --> 00:43:09.929
you may have heard it because he speeches have

00:43:09.929 --> 00:43:11.789
been good. Did you see the one last night? Yeah,

00:43:11.809 --> 00:43:14.369
29 ,000 people that was it Yeah, and the one

00:43:14.369 --> 00:43:17.250
the night before was the same thing. We are we

00:43:17.250 --> 00:43:20.539
are rocking and rolling but But Elon, and I'm

00:43:20.539 --> 00:43:23.320
talking to this very important guy, I say, wait

00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:25.400
a minute, I'm looking at something, the television's

00:43:25.400 --> 00:43:28.719
unmuted, right? And I see this rocket, it's all

00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:31.440
brown from the heat, you know, it cooks like

00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:34.159
10 ,000 degrees pouring down at thousands of

00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:36.659
miles an hour. And I see this thing, you know,

00:43:36.659 --> 00:43:39.260
it's like a 20 -story building. And I say to

00:43:39.260 --> 00:43:41.380
this guy, he's an important guy, wait a minute,

00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:44.599
let me just put you down, hold it, I gotta see

00:43:44.599 --> 00:43:47.739
this. And I see this, and it's gonna crash. I

00:43:47.739 --> 00:43:49.699
say, it's gonna crash into the gantry. They call

00:43:49.699 --> 00:43:52.280
it a gantry. I said, oh man, that's gonna be

00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:54.000
a disaster, because it's starting to get very

00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:56.139
close. And then all of a sudden you see the flames

00:43:56.139 --> 00:43:58.960
and about a rrr, and it boom. And then you see

00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:01.820
the two arms grab it. Crazy. And I forgot the

00:44:01.820 --> 00:44:04.260
guy. I had him on the phone. I forgot. No, I

00:44:04.260 --> 00:44:07.019
said, the hell with it. No, I called Elon. I

00:44:07.019 --> 00:44:09.570
said, was that you? He said, that was me. And

00:44:09.570 --> 00:44:11.230
I said, who else can do that? He said, nobody.

00:44:11.329 --> 00:44:13.510
Russia can't do it. The United States. Nobody

00:44:13.510 --> 00:44:16.090
can do it. You know, I set up Space Force. That

00:44:16.090 --> 00:44:18.489
was me. And that's the first time in 82 years

00:44:18.489 --> 00:44:21.329
that we opened another branch since the Air Force.

00:44:21.849 --> 00:44:23.730
And that's going to be one of our most important

00:44:23.730 --> 00:44:26.409
things. But think of what Elon does. And he did

00:44:26.409 --> 00:44:30.750
one other thing that I never heard of. It's Starlink.

00:44:31.750 --> 00:44:34.449
I went down to North Carolina, Georgia, the different

00:44:34.449 --> 00:44:37.860
places. I followed it right down. And they had

00:44:37.860 --> 00:44:40.039
no communication. The polls were all knocked

00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:43.119
down. And one of the guys in North Carolina said,

00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:46.659
could you do me a favor? Do you know Elon Musk?

00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:49.079
Yes. He endorsed me. By the way, he gave me the

00:44:49.079 --> 00:44:52.340
nicest endorsement, too. He said, the country's

00:44:52.340 --> 00:44:54.079
going to fail. You should do the same thing,

00:44:54.420 --> 00:44:57.099
Joe, because you cannot be voting for Kamala.

00:44:57.759 --> 00:45:00.019
Kamala, you're not a Kamala person. I know you.

00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:02.159
I've watched you. I know him better than he does.

00:45:02.300 --> 00:45:04.139
You know what? Without speaking to you, I think

00:45:04.139 --> 00:45:06.179
I know you maybe almost as well as your wife.

00:45:06.619 --> 00:45:08.679
I have watched you for so many years. You're

00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:12.159
not a Kamala person. You're a Khabib person,

00:45:12.239 --> 00:45:15.000
but you're not a Kamala person. Nobody's going

00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:17.679
to know who Khabib is, but... They know he was

00:45:17.679 --> 00:45:20.099
he was not he was not bad, right? That guy he

00:45:20.099 --> 00:45:21.980
was phenomenal, but that's to your kind of your

00:45:21.980 --> 00:45:24.440
weave is getting wide No, no my way, but isn't

00:45:24.440 --> 00:45:26.199
I want to bring back to tariffs But but wait

00:45:26.199 --> 00:45:27.960
one said before we finished with tariffs. I just

00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:31.099
so they said they said could you get him? We

00:45:31.099 --> 00:45:34.099
need Starlink and I call Elon He got it for him

00:45:34.099 --> 00:45:37.159
so fast saved so many lives and I said, how was

00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:39.619
it? They said better than the wires, you know,

00:45:39.619 --> 00:45:42.730
they couldn't put him in they were all I used

00:45:42.730 --> 00:45:45.050
it recently in Utah in the mountains. Did you

00:45:45.050 --> 00:45:46.869
find it good? Oh, it's phenomenal. It's the size

00:45:46.869 --> 00:45:49.690
of an iPad. You just set it down on the ground,

00:45:49.789 --> 00:45:51.250
you get high -speed internet. It's incredible.

00:45:51.389 --> 00:45:54.409
We're spending, just to show you, we're spending

00:45:54.409 --> 00:45:58.150
a trillion dollars to get cables all over the

00:45:58.150 --> 00:46:02.190
country, right? Upstate areas. where you have

00:46:02.190 --> 00:46:04.050
like two farms and they're spending millions

00:46:04.050 --> 00:46:06.349
of dollars to advocate. Elon can do it for nothing.

00:46:06.349 --> 00:46:08.090
Well, talk about the $42 billion that was wasted

00:46:08.090 --> 00:46:11.210
on this Internet access program. They didn't

00:46:11.210 --> 00:46:13.630
get anybody access to Internet. They haven't

00:46:13.630 --> 00:46:15.489
hooked up one person yet. Not one person. They

00:46:15.489 --> 00:46:18.010
spent $42 billion. They could have gotten Starlinks

00:46:18.010 --> 00:46:20.650
to everybody with that kind of money. For almost

00:46:20.650 --> 00:46:22.869
nothing. Yeah. For a monthly charge. And it would

00:46:22.869 --> 00:46:24.829
have been incredible. And it's high -speed Internet

00:46:24.829 --> 00:46:26.889
everywhere you want to go. And he wanted to do

00:46:26.889 --> 00:46:28.429
that. And he wanted to do it. How about this?

00:46:28.530 --> 00:46:32.369
They built... the charger stations, right, in

00:46:32.369 --> 00:46:36.210
the Midwest. They built eight of them. They cost

00:46:36.210 --> 00:46:39.010
nine billion dollars. That's like a gas pump,

00:46:39.130 --> 00:46:42.210
right? They built nine gas pumps, except electricity

00:46:42.210 --> 00:46:45.230
comes out. They spent nine billion dollars. Three

00:46:45.230 --> 00:46:48.090
of them don't work. The whole thing, there's

00:46:48.090 --> 00:46:50.809
so much waste. I could sit here and tell you

00:46:50.809 --> 00:46:55.550
about things that there's so much waste, abuse,

00:46:55.889 --> 00:46:59.719
and fraud. Oh, yeah, I'm sure. I mean, I think

00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:01.019
everybody's aware of that now. Let's get back

00:47:01.019 --> 00:47:02.980
to tariffs. When you're talking about one of

00:47:02.980 --> 00:47:05.139
the criticisms of your administration was with

00:47:05.139 --> 00:47:08.260
tax cuts and with tariffs, you increase the deficit.

00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:13.960
So what was the strategy behind that? And did

00:47:13.960 --> 00:47:15.739
you think it was going to increase the deficit

00:47:15.739 --> 00:47:19.380
by a substantial amount? OK, we were ready to

00:47:19.380 --> 00:47:22.340
rock. It was all you know, I had a bad system.

00:47:22.500 --> 00:47:25.480
We had horrible tax policy. I made it great.

00:47:26.519 --> 00:47:29.849
With a much lower tax rate. So I took it from

00:47:29.849 --> 00:47:33.429
almost 40 percent down to 21 percent. Now I'm

00:47:33.429 --> 00:47:36.750
bringing it from 21 down to 15, but only if you

00:47:36.750 --> 00:47:39.829
make your product in the United States, which

00:47:39.829 --> 00:47:41.690
is great. People call me, they said, what a great

00:47:41.690 --> 00:47:43.670
idea. Nobody ever heard of that before. I don't

00:47:43.670 --> 00:47:45.590
care if they make the product in Japan. Why should

00:47:45.590 --> 00:47:51.269
I give them? So it's a 21. At 21, in the first

00:47:51.269 --> 00:47:54.230
year, we took in much more revenue than we did

00:47:54.230 --> 00:47:57.739
at almost 40. Think of that. It inspired. Now,

00:47:57.739 --> 00:48:00.099
we had other things, too. We were able to get

00:48:00.099 --> 00:48:02.900
people to bring back their money. You couldn't

00:48:02.900 --> 00:48:06.400
bring back your money if you had money in Europe,

00:48:06.440 --> 00:48:10.179
like Apple. Apple had many billions of dollars

00:48:10.179 --> 00:48:11.639
outside. They couldn't bring it. There was no

00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:14.920
way to bring it back in. The bureaucracy, the

00:48:14.920 --> 00:48:16.840
documents, the whole thing. And also, the tax

00:48:16.840 --> 00:48:18.420
was too high. You know, they wanted like half

00:48:18.420 --> 00:48:19.920
of it or something. Nobody's going to do that.

00:48:19.940 --> 00:48:23.219
So they leave their money in Japan and they spend

00:48:23.219 --> 00:48:26.179
their money there. That was part of what I did.

00:48:26.429 --> 00:48:29.110
the money came pouring back in. Apple took in

00:48:29.110 --> 00:48:30.670
hundreds of billions of dollars. They brought

00:48:30.670 --> 00:48:32.510
it back from overseas. They brought it in. So

00:48:32.510 --> 00:48:34.130
how does the deficit increase because of that?

00:48:34.130 --> 00:48:37.050
So what happened is this. We were ready to rock

00:48:37.050 --> 00:48:39.789
and roll. And then we had the COVID thing and

00:48:39.789 --> 00:48:43.949
we had to focus on that. And if we didn't give

00:48:43.949 --> 00:48:46.010
some businesses a hand, they would have all you

00:48:46.010 --> 00:48:49.110
would have had a depression like in 1929. But

00:48:49.110 --> 00:48:51.809
we were ready to start. We were going to we would

00:48:51.809 --> 00:48:54.500
have very shortly been paying off debt. You know,

00:48:54.500 --> 00:48:58.019
we have $35 trillion in debt. And I'll never

00:48:58.019 --> 00:49:01.619
forget it. We were, it was talking about from,

00:49:01.619 --> 00:49:03.260
you know, the standpoint of being in office.

00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:06.960
I'm in the Oval Office, and I have John McLaughlin

00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:09.719
and Fabrizio, they're two very good pollsters,

00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:11.400
probably, I don't know, I would say the two best,

00:49:11.400 --> 00:49:14.460
who knows, but very good pollsters. And we're

00:49:14.460 --> 00:49:16.639
starting to think about running for a second

00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:22.079
term. And we had the greatest economy. In history,

00:49:22.579 --> 00:49:23.940
never has there been an economy like this. And

00:49:23.940 --> 00:49:26.840
you attribute that to lowering taxes and tariffs.

00:49:26.940 --> 00:49:28.219
Yeah, a lot of it. Two things. And also, I cut

00:49:28.219 --> 00:49:32.199
regulations more than anybody else. And if I

00:49:32.199 --> 00:49:34.199
ask many of the businessmen, you know, from the

00:49:34.199 --> 00:49:35.760
big companies, you know, the guys running the

00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:38.079
big companies, I'd say, so if you had your choice,

00:49:38.119 --> 00:49:40.980
you've had it now for a long time, what's more

00:49:40.980 --> 00:49:43.820
important to you, the tax cuts, you paid less

00:49:43.820 --> 00:49:47.260
tax, or the regulation cuts? Every one of them

00:49:47.260 --> 00:49:50.019
said the regulation cuts meant more. Who would

00:49:50.019 --> 00:49:52.079
think that, right? Because you don't equate it

00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:53.820
to dollars, but it actually is more dollars.

00:49:55.619 --> 00:49:59.000
We had it going, and then we just had to focus

00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:01.179
on something else. But they were sitting there,

00:50:01.340 --> 00:50:04.800
these two pollsters were sitting there, and they

00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:09.099
said, sir, if George Washington came back and

00:50:09.099 --> 00:50:13.159
Abraham Lincoln was his VP, as opposed to Waltz,

00:50:13.159 --> 00:50:16.579
how bad is he, by the way? But if Abraham Lincoln

00:50:16.579 --> 00:50:21.260
was his VP, they couldn't beat you. And I'll

00:50:21.260 --> 00:50:24.420
never forget it. The following day, they said,

00:50:24.440 --> 00:50:27.920
something's happening in China, sir. Could we

00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:31.239
meet? I said, what's happening? People are dying.

00:50:31.719 --> 00:50:34.559
And it was all around the Wuhan lab, by the way.

00:50:35.019 --> 00:50:38.400
There are pictures with little lines, their body

00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:42.400
bags, all around the Wuhan lab. And I always

00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:43.980
said that from the beginning, Joe. You know,

00:50:43.980 --> 00:50:46.079
they tried to say, first they said it was France,

00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:48.869
and they blamed everybody. But then they say

00:50:48.869 --> 00:50:52.230
it was bats from a cave 2 ,000 miles away. So

00:50:52.230 --> 00:50:56.130
we got hit with that. And despite that, we had

00:50:56.130 --> 00:50:59.929
the best economy. And when I gave it over, the

00:50:59.929 --> 00:51:02.150
stock market was higher than it was pre -COVID.

00:51:02.269 --> 00:51:05.570
I mean, nobody could even believe it. But we

00:51:05.570 --> 00:51:09.210
saved it. And we were helping businesses. They

00:51:09.210 --> 00:51:11.710
were dying. They were dying. So it's your belief

00:51:11.710 --> 00:51:14.920
that If you had a second term, given the policies

00:51:14.920 --> 00:51:17.679
in place, the way the economy was booming, that

00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:19.679
you would have been able to pay off a lot of

00:51:19.679 --> 00:51:21.260
the debt. And that was the strategy. If we didn't

00:51:21.260 --> 00:51:24.059
have COVID, we would have been paying off debt

00:51:24.059 --> 00:51:27.460
and we would have had. And don't forget, by growth,

00:51:27.780 --> 00:51:29.739
the word growth is actually more important in

00:51:29.739 --> 00:51:31.119
a way because you could have the same debt. But

00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:33.019
if you doubled your growth, all of a sudden you're

00:51:33.019 --> 00:51:36.460
under levered. But still, we should pay off debt.

00:51:36.760 --> 00:51:41.309
You know, if you viewed this $35 trillion right

00:51:41.309 --> 00:51:43.769
now. It's a lot. But if you look at the asset

00:51:43.769 --> 00:51:46.230
value, if you look at it purely as an asset value,

00:51:46.730 --> 00:51:50.269
we have oil underground, we have water, we have

00:51:50.269 --> 00:51:54.210
mountains. I mean, the assets are so enormous.

00:51:54.750 --> 00:51:57.809
But regardless of that, we've got $35 trillion

00:51:57.809 --> 00:52:00.289
in debt. We should pay it off. And we would have

00:52:00.289 --> 00:52:03.190
started paying off debt and probably even giving

00:52:03.190 --> 00:52:06.769
further, given further tax reductions. I want

00:52:06.769 --> 00:52:09.260
to get it down to 15 percent. We're going to

00:52:09.260 --> 00:52:11.840
do more business. But when you get hit with a

00:52:11.840 --> 00:52:13.800
COVID, everything stops and you have to keep

00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:15.940
these businesses alive. The businesses were dying.

00:52:16.480 --> 00:52:18.239
I mean, they were just dying. This whole place,

00:52:18.340 --> 00:52:20.880
this country is going to die. Are there influences

00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:25.079
outside of environmental that keep people from

00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:28.039
wanting to drill for oil and frack and do those

00:52:28.039 --> 00:52:30.099
sort of things outside of the environmental concerns,

00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:33.199
which are legitimate, of course? But are there

00:52:33.199 --> 00:52:37.349
other influences that may be? over accentuate

00:52:37.349 --> 00:52:40.110
or over exaggerate these environmental effects

00:52:40.110 --> 00:52:42.949
are people being influenced in a way where they're

00:52:42.949 --> 00:52:46.070
trying to keep us from producing American oil

00:52:46.070 --> 00:52:50.010
yeah, yeah, so The environmental is the biggest

00:52:50.010 --> 00:52:52.889
tool for stopping growth the biggest tool the

00:52:52.889 --> 00:52:56.269
other is regulation and If you speak to Elon

00:52:56.269 --> 00:52:58.789
he said the regulation now to send a rocket up

00:52:58.789 --> 00:53:01.429
to anywhere even if you do everything it's it's

00:53:01.429 --> 00:53:06.360
almost It's becoming impossible But they use

00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:10.900
environmental in order to get people not to do

00:53:10.900 --> 00:53:15.099
anything. And sometimes I say, you know, I look

00:53:15.099 --> 00:53:17.119
at some of the, I know the environmental stuff

00:53:17.119 --> 00:53:18.659
better, because I had to build buildings in New

00:53:18.659 --> 00:53:21.219
York. I had to do environmental impact studies.

00:53:21.800 --> 00:53:23.800
And I would see some of these guys that I'd hire

00:53:23.800 --> 00:53:25.920
for a lot of money, environmentalists that would

00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:28.559
get you through the process. And they'd be up

00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:30.519
in Albany, that's the capital of New York, and

00:53:30.519 --> 00:53:33.760
they're trying to make it tougher for guys like

00:53:33.760 --> 00:53:37.250
me. that were builders, because they'd get paid

00:53:37.250 --> 00:53:42.369
more money. In other words, I had one guy, highly

00:53:42.369 --> 00:53:44.389
recommended. You know, I was good at getting

00:53:44.389 --> 00:53:46.730
permits. I was one of the kings of, I was always

00:53:46.730 --> 00:53:49.909
very good. But the environmental stuff was always

00:53:49.909 --> 00:53:53.429
horrible. They could slow a project down 10 years,

00:53:53.550 --> 00:53:56.349
15 years. I had a project in Louisiana built,

00:53:56.489 --> 00:54:01.570
big LNG plant. It was for 14 years, it was going

00:54:01.570 --> 00:54:05.110
to cost $18 billion, one of the biggest, like

00:54:05.110 --> 00:54:06.929
the Empire State Building, laying down on the

00:54:06.929 --> 00:54:10.429
side times four. Massive on the coast, on the

00:54:10.429 --> 00:54:13.150
Gulf Coast. And they said, sir, they're going

00:54:13.150 --> 00:54:14.889
to give it up. I said, they shouldn't give it

00:54:14.889 --> 00:54:16.329
up. What's the problem? They can't get their

00:54:16.329 --> 00:54:19.230
environmental. They had environmental permits

00:54:19.230 --> 00:54:21.309
that would fill this whole room up to the ceiling.

00:54:22.110 --> 00:54:24.190
And they said there was one mistake on one little

00:54:24.190 --> 00:54:26.440
line. They want them to do it all over again.

00:54:26.820 --> 00:54:29.460
It's not going to happen. And I got them their

00:54:29.460 --> 00:54:33.659
permit instantly. And they built a plant. It's

00:54:33.659 --> 00:54:37.500
massive. So when you're saying that there's people

00:54:37.500 --> 00:54:39.679
that are making money by making it difficult,

00:54:40.019 --> 00:54:42.260
are you talking about lawyers? No, I'm talking

00:54:42.260 --> 00:54:44.380
about environmental consultants and lawyers.

00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:47.500
Environmental consultants profit off of dragging

00:54:47.500 --> 00:54:50.030
out the process. Absolutely. And they make the

00:54:50.030 --> 00:54:52.650
process worse. And I'd probably do the same thing

00:54:52.650 --> 00:54:54.409
if I were them, to be honest with you. You know,

00:54:54.409 --> 00:54:55.989
I want to be honest with you. How do they do

00:54:55.989 --> 00:54:58.489
that? How do they make it? Let's say New York,

00:54:58.489 --> 00:55:01.369
they go to Albany, and they convince people that

00:55:01.369 --> 00:55:03.690
if you have a certain type of plant on the ground

00:55:03.690 --> 00:55:06.809
that's this big and, in theory, valueless, that

00:55:06.809 --> 00:55:10.250
it's a rare plant, and you cannot even touch

00:55:10.250 --> 00:55:14.070
it. You can't go near it. You can't put a building

00:55:14.070 --> 00:55:17.190
on it. You can't do anything. Or there's a little

00:55:17.190 --> 00:55:20.190
puddle. And they call it a lake. And you have

00:55:20.190 --> 00:55:22.369
to go by the standards of a lake. I said, no,

00:55:22.369 --> 00:55:25.289
no, that's a puddle. Oh, you have no idea. Guys

00:55:25.289 --> 00:55:27.590
are filling a little puddle. You have no idea

00:55:27.590 --> 00:55:30.730
what they do. And they use it as a way to stop

00:55:30.730 --> 00:55:32.969
you. They use it as a way to stop you and also

00:55:32.969 --> 00:55:36.170
as a way to generate money. I'm curious how they're

00:55:36.170 --> 00:55:37.829
generating money that way, though. Well, they

00:55:37.829 --> 00:55:41.460
get fees. They get fees. Massive fees. And people

00:55:41.460 --> 00:55:44.780
rely on them as experts because they're the people

00:55:44.780 --> 00:55:46.920
that they go to when they have to run these studies

00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:48.460
in the first place. But some of them are just

00:55:48.460 --> 00:55:50.420
bad guys. And they're trying to make it more

00:55:50.420 --> 00:55:51.920
and more difficult. And they have a lot of power.

00:55:53.059 --> 00:55:55.239
Yeah, I think they maybe had more. They didn't

00:55:55.239 --> 00:55:57.780
have as much with me because I would... get through

00:55:57.780 --> 00:56:00.639
them, and I understood it. Look, I've had, I've

00:56:00.639 --> 00:56:03.219
done so many, they call it environmental impact

00:56:03.219 --> 00:56:05.880
study. I did so much, to build a building, to

00:56:05.880 --> 00:56:07.719
build a building in New York is very tough. You

00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:10.059
gotta be very, you gotta deal with, think of

00:56:10.059 --> 00:56:15.960
it, financing, unions, all the municipal stuff,

00:56:16.360 --> 00:56:18.980
environmental. Of all of it, to me, the toughest

00:56:18.980 --> 00:56:21.679
thing was the environmental, because they could

00:56:21.679 --> 00:56:24.719
stop you cold with the environmental impact study

00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:28.250
stuff. And you hire a so -called expert. They

00:56:28.250 --> 00:56:31.050
say, sir, he's the one guy he can get you through

00:56:31.050 --> 00:56:33.570
the morass. It's a morass. It's horrible. They

00:56:33.570 --> 00:56:35.449
use it as a weapon. They use it all over the

00:56:35.449 --> 00:56:37.449
country. Right, but there are legitimate concerns

00:56:37.449 --> 00:56:39.349
about environmental impact, correct? There are.

00:56:39.349 --> 00:56:41.550
Look about the BP oil spill. There's a lot of

00:56:41.550 --> 00:56:43.510
things that do happen that are environmentally

00:56:43.510 --> 00:56:45.989
devastating. And you want to mitigate that as

00:56:45.989 --> 00:56:48.829
much as possible. You do. Look, I had, during

00:56:48.829 --> 00:56:50.809
our four years, we had the cleanest air and the

00:56:50.809 --> 00:56:53.150
cleanest water. I view it differently. I say,

00:56:53.309 --> 00:56:58.300
air? Remember this, it costs much more to do

00:56:58.300 --> 00:57:02.000
things environmentally clean. China doesn't do

00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:06.079
anything. When Kerry goes to see President Xi

00:57:06.079 --> 00:57:08.659
at China, which he probably doesn't even get

00:57:08.659 --> 00:57:11.539
to see him, but they look at him, oh yes, yes,

00:57:11.599 --> 00:57:13.519
we will do, oh yes, yes, we're gonna do that,

00:57:13.619 --> 00:57:16.119
no more coal, no more coal. And then they approve

00:57:16.119 --> 00:57:19.440
58 coal plants for the next, they build a coal

00:57:19.440 --> 00:57:21.880
plant a week. They build a lot of coal plants.

00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:22.960
We've covered that. But let me just tell you

00:57:22.960 --> 00:57:25.380
though, so here we are cleaning and scrubbing

00:57:25.380 --> 00:57:27.079
everything and everything's got to be, the air's

00:57:27.079 --> 00:57:32.460
got to be pure. But in 3 .8 days, that stuff

00:57:32.460 --> 00:57:34.699
floating over China is right over the top of

00:57:34.699 --> 00:57:38.000
us. Right. Same thing with the oceans. They dump

00:57:38.000 --> 00:57:42.079
their garbage into the Pacific Ocean. If you

00:57:42.079 --> 00:57:45.039
take a little cork and put it there, in about

00:57:45.039 --> 00:57:47.400
a week and a half it'll be in front of Los Angeles.

00:57:48.289 --> 00:57:52.050
We're picking up their garbage So nobody ever

00:57:52.050 --> 00:57:54.590
talks about that, but in a way the bigger one

00:57:54.590 --> 00:57:57.710
is even the air. It's the currents It's an amazing

00:57:57.710 --> 00:58:00.730
thing. It's been flowing that way for a million

00:58:00.730 --> 00:58:03.289
years along before we share here with the whole

00:58:03.289 --> 00:58:06.949
world Yeah, no if we get the Sahara dust clouds

00:58:06.949 --> 00:58:09.309
over here. Absolutely We get dust clouds in Austin

00:58:09.309 --> 00:58:12.190
from the Sahara Desert, but we get the China

00:58:12.190 --> 00:58:15.230
You know, they call it the China curse. We get

00:58:15.230 --> 00:58:18.079
the China curse They're better and their air

00:58:18.079 --> 00:58:21.139
is dirty. You know when I went there I had a

00:58:21.139 --> 00:58:23.260
great relationship with presidency we got along

00:58:23.260 --> 00:58:26.960
very well and They treated me better than anybody's

00:58:26.960 --> 00:58:29.019
ever been treated same thing with Saudi Arabia

00:58:29.019 --> 00:58:33.329
a number of them, but they laid it out And I

00:58:33.329 --> 00:58:35.809
said, this air is good. Do you know, they closed

00:58:35.809 --> 00:58:39.329
every factory one week before I got there, from

00:58:39.329 --> 00:58:41.789
within 200 miles. That's like what Gavin Newsom

00:58:41.789 --> 00:58:43.809
did when Xi Jinping came to San Francisco. He

00:58:43.809 --> 00:58:45.769
cleaned it up. He cleaned it up. He got rid of

00:58:45.769 --> 00:58:46.769
all the homeless people. Isn't that terrible

00:58:46.769 --> 00:58:49.469
in a way to think, you know? He cleaned it up,

00:58:49.489 --> 00:58:51.849
and then it became a pigsty. Well, the dumbest

00:58:51.849 --> 00:58:54.349
thing is he said when your friends come by, when

00:58:54.349 --> 00:58:56.750
you have visitors, you clean up your house. Like,

00:58:56.789 --> 00:58:58.190
how about just keep your fucking house clean?

00:58:58.250 --> 00:59:00.190
Can you imagine? That's the dumbest thing I've

00:59:00.190 --> 00:59:02.269
ever heard anybody say, ever, as a governor,

00:59:02.449 --> 00:59:05.090
as to excuse to why you finally cleaned up your

00:59:05.090 --> 00:59:07.690
homeless problem. And the day he left... Right

00:59:07.690 --> 00:59:10.110
back to it. It went right back. Yeah. But in

00:59:10.110 --> 00:59:12.750
a way, that was a bad thing that he did, because

00:59:12.750 --> 00:59:14.530
he showed... He showed it could be done. What

00:59:14.530 --> 00:59:17.550
a disgrace that was. What a disgrace. Well, this

00:59:17.550 --> 00:59:20.150
is the thing that, like, shows you how foolish

00:59:20.150 --> 00:59:21.570
a lot of these people that are running these

00:59:21.570 --> 00:59:23.349
cities think, and a lot of these people that

00:59:23.349 --> 00:59:25.349
are running these states think. It's foolish.

00:59:25.489 --> 00:59:28.239
Like, you... You're insulting the intelligence

00:59:28.239 --> 00:59:29.820
of the people that live in that city that are

00:59:29.820 --> 00:59:34.360
impacted by these people just camping and needles

00:59:34.360 --> 00:59:37.340
and human feces. There's an app that you can

00:59:37.340 --> 00:59:39.679
buy. There's an app that you can get rather that

00:59:39.679 --> 00:59:42.280
will show you where the human feces has been

00:59:42.280 --> 00:59:45.960
documented in San Francisco. It's a poo app and

00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:48.340
it's just everywhere. It's just bum crap everywhere.

00:59:48.639 --> 00:59:51.239
But let me give you one that you may not know.

00:59:51.239 --> 00:59:53.659
OK. Which I think you know everything actually.

00:59:53.960 --> 00:59:58.619
That's not true. As a student of yours. But water,

00:59:59.320 --> 01:00:02.480
you know in Los Angeles you can't get proper

01:00:02.480 --> 01:00:04.840
amounts of water. Right. And it's unbelievably

01:00:04.840 --> 01:00:06.880
expensive. And you might have a house in Beverly

01:00:06.880 --> 01:00:09.500
Hills and they're actually thinking about rationing

01:00:09.500 --> 01:00:11.679
water. Can you believe it? I can believe it.

01:00:11.679 --> 01:00:14.480
I still live there. I was in the farm court country

01:00:14.480 --> 01:00:16.579
with some of the congressmen. We're driving up

01:00:16.579 --> 01:00:19.559
a highway. And I say, how come all this land

01:00:19.559 --> 01:00:24.860
is so barren? It's farmland, and it looked terrible.

01:00:24.860 --> 01:00:27.760
It was just brown and bad. I said, but there's

01:00:27.760 --> 01:00:31.099
always that little corner that's so green and

01:00:31.099 --> 01:00:34.940
beautiful. They said, we have no water. I said,

01:00:34.960 --> 01:00:36.900
do you have a drought? No, we don't have a drought.

01:00:37.199 --> 01:00:38.980
I said, why don't you have no water? Because

01:00:38.980 --> 01:00:41.599
the water isn't allowed to flow down. It's got

01:00:41.599 --> 01:00:43.840
a natural flow from Canada all the way up north.

01:00:44.260 --> 01:00:48.000
More water than they could ever use. And in order

01:00:48.000 --> 01:00:52.889
to protect a tiny little fish, the water up North

01:00:52.889 --> 01:00:56.250
gets routed into the Pacific Ocean millions and

01:00:56.250 --> 01:00:59.030
millions of gallons of water gets poured you

01:00:59.030 --> 01:01:01.389
gotta see this We're driving up and I had never

01:01:01.389 --> 01:01:04.269
seen it before It's the most it's like Iowa.

01:01:04.329 --> 01:01:06.690
It's the most fertile land. I was blessed with

01:01:06.690 --> 01:01:09.789
great land Idaho for a potato, right? Yeah, but

01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:12.579
These, they're just, by the way, you know, some

01:01:12.579 --> 01:01:14.519
land is good for a potato, some land is good

01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:16.400
for corn. It's the craziest thing. I love the

01:01:16.400 --> 01:01:18.000
farmers. They're great. They're the greatest.

01:01:18.119 --> 01:01:19.659
And by the way, they're getting killed right

01:01:19.659 --> 01:01:21.039
now. They are. They're getting killed because

01:01:21.039 --> 01:01:24.559
of this stupid administration. But so I see this

01:01:24.559 --> 01:01:27.780
and I said, you got to be kidding. I said, you

01:01:27.780 --> 01:01:30.079
mean you have water? And I looked at it. It's

01:01:30.079 --> 01:01:32.699
like a valve in your sink, except it's massive.

01:01:32.880 --> 01:01:34.900
The thing's five times taller than your ceiling.

01:01:35.119 --> 01:01:37.159
Did you know the center of California was a giant

01:01:37.159 --> 01:01:39.909
lake? They have so much water. You ever see what

01:01:39.909 --> 01:01:41.530
it looks like before they rerouted it? No, I

01:01:41.530 --> 01:01:43.070
never saw that, no. The center of California,

01:01:43.369 --> 01:01:45.570
like, what is it, 200 years ago? How long ago

01:01:45.570 --> 01:01:48.590
did they do that, Jamie? The center of California

01:01:48.590 --> 01:01:51.429
had a fucking enormous lake in the middle of

01:01:51.429 --> 01:01:53.130
California. So they dumped it into the Pacific.

01:01:53.130 --> 01:01:57.030
Who knows what they did, but whatever foolishness

01:01:57.030 --> 01:01:59.389
that they did led to the situation that they're

01:01:59.389 --> 01:02:02.670
in now. Think of those dry forests that burned

01:02:02.670 --> 01:02:04.849
down all over. You know, the head of Austria

01:02:04.849 --> 01:02:07.349
said, you know... There is Tulare Lake, or Tachi

01:02:07.349 --> 01:02:10.360
Lake. It's a freshwater lake in the southern

01:02:10.360 --> 01:02:13.500
San Joaquin Valley, United States. Historically,

01:02:13.699 --> 01:02:15.440
Tulare Lake was one of the largest freshwater

01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:17.280
lakes west of Mississippi. Show a photo of what

01:02:17.280 --> 01:02:21.090
it looked like back then. It's a great sister.

01:02:21.110 --> 01:02:22.889
So that's what it looked like. Look at that image

01:02:22.889 --> 01:02:24.849
another one go to the one on the third from the

01:02:24.849 --> 01:02:28.309
right Yeah, yeah, that was an enormous lake middle

01:02:28.309 --> 01:02:30.570
of California imagine that be much more valuable

01:02:30.570 --> 01:02:32.889
property. How crazy is that? How crazy is that?

01:02:33.369 --> 01:02:35.929
Like in human beings screwed that they let it

01:02:35.929 --> 01:02:38.110
go into the Pacific and then they I don't know

01:02:38.110 --> 01:02:40.010
what they did What did they do that? Why did

01:02:40.010 --> 01:02:44.230
it how did it go missing? Yeah, they drained

01:02:44.230 --> 01:02:52.219
it 19 1983 oh my god Oh, when dry a handful of

01:02:52.219 --> 01:02:54.980
times. Well, you know, lakes do go dry, but that's

01:02:54.980 --> 01:02:56.599
a big one. It's a big one to go dry. But think

01:02:56.599 --> 01:02:59.440
of it. You could have all of the water you need.

01:02:59.980 --> 01:03:02.480
All of that land would have more water. The whole

01:03:02.480 --> 01:03:04.059
thing could be like that little patch. Yeah.

01:03:04.440 --> 01:03:07.260
Literally, I'd say, as with Devin Noon as a congressman

01:03:07.260 --> 01:03:09.360
and other congressmen who were going up, I was

01:03:09.360 --> 01:03:11.679
visiting that because they asked me to go up

01:03:11.679 --> 01:03:14.429
and visit their territory, and I did. But I kept

01:03:14.429 --> 01:03:16.269
saying, look at this land, it's beautiful, but

01:03:16.269 --> 01:03:18.929
it's so dry. And I thought they were going through

01:03:18.929 --> 01:03:20.710
like a desert, like a drought. They said, no,

01:03:20.730 --> 01:03:22.750
we have water, but it gets real. So I looked

01:03:22.750 --> 01:03:25.409
into it. What is the fish? And I got it done.

01:03:25.690 --> 01:03:28.909
I got it done. I could have water for all of

01:03:28.909 --> 01:03:31.530
that land, water for your forest. You know, your

01:03:31.530 --> 01:03:34.230
forests are dry as a bone. Yeah, dangerous. That

01:03:34.230 --> 01:03:36.369
water could be routed. You know, you could have

01:03:36.369 --> 01:03:39.690
everything. Not only dangerous, billions of dollars

01:03:39.690 --> 01:03:42.289
a year they spend on Forest fires. And you know,

01:03:42.309 --> 01:03:44.369
there's a case with the environment. They're

01:03:44.369 --> 01:03:47.269
not allowed to rake their forest because you're

01:03:47.269 --> 01:03:49.690
not allowed to touch it. When a tree falls down,

01:03:50.110 --> 01:03:52.070
after 18 months, it becomes very dry. It's like,

01:03:52.070 --> 01:03:54.690
you know, like real firewood. It's bad. You know,

01:03:54.750 --> 01:03:58.510
a tree that's up, these are all things I learned

01:03:58.510 --> 01:04:01.469
the hard way, the easy way. But when a tree is

01:04:01.469 --> 01:04:04.480
up, it sucks water. It's wet. I went to that,

01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:07.019
they had a couple of horrible forest fires in

01:04:07.019 --> 01:04:08.739
California, and I went, I said, you know, you

01:04:08.739 --> 01:04:10.480
had a lot of trees standing, yes, they were healthy

01:04:10.480 --> 01:04:13.920
trees, sir. I said, with this intense heat, you

01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:15.579
could see they were charred a little bit on the

01:04:15.579 --> 01:04:17.179
bottom, but they were gonna be all right, because

01:04:17.179 --> 01:04:19.059
they're soaking wet, because they suck up the

01:04:19.059 --> 01:04:22.239
water, right? But when they fall, they're like,

01:04:22.300 --> 01:04:24.900
you know, it's like lighting a match. And you

01:04:24.900 --> 01:04:26.679
gotta be able to clean, they call it maintain

01:04:26.679 --> 01:04:28.679
your forest, so I was with the head of Austria.

01:04:29.309 --> 01:04:31.510
He said, you know, it's a shame. I see all those

01:04:31.510 --> 01:04:34.329
forest fires in California, and all they have

01:04:34.329 --> 01:04:37.210
to do is clean their forest, meaning rake it

01:04:37.210 --> 01:04:39.250
up, get rid of the leaves, get rid of, you know,

01:04:39.449 --> 01:04:41.289
leaves that are sitting there for five years.

01:04:41.429 --> 01:04:43.550
We'll certainly get rid of the dead fall. And

01:04:43.550 --> 01:04:49.519
get rid of the trees that have fallen. so many

01:04:49.519 --> 01:04:52.099
things this country, by the way, I had it all

01:04:52.099 --> 01:04:52.500
done. Could you really rake the whole forest,

01:04:52.599 --> 01:04:54.000
though? I don't think you could rake the whole

01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:55.539
forest. I think you could get rid of the dead

01:04:55.539 --> 01:04:57.340
fall, but raking all the leaves. You could certainly

01:04:57.340 --> 01:04:59.320
get rid of the dead, okay? Yeah, I think that's

01:04:59.320 --> 01:05:00.780
the real issue. You know, environmentally, they

01:05:00.780 --> 01:05:02.860
don't want to do that. They said, you know, it's

01:05:02.860 --> 01:05:04.900
got to be nature and all this stuff. But in the

01:05:04.900 --> 01:05:08.039
meantime, this is exactly right. But you could

01:05:08.039 --> 01:05:11.539
have, so it was the Department of Commerce that

01:05:11.539 --> 01:05:14.079
needed the approvals, but Gavin Newsom had to

01:05:14.079 --> 01:05:16.690
sign them. I got it all done. Nobody could believe

01:05:16.690 --> 01:05:20.829
it. It was all done. I said, I got it. You got

01:05:20.829 --> 01:05:25.489
so much water. All you have to do is sign. And

01:05:25.489 --> 01:05:28.170
that guy didn't want to sign. Did he not want

01:05:28.170 --> 01:05:29.989
to sign because that would be a political victory

01:05:29.989 --> 01:05:32.050
for you? I think no, he didn't. No, I don't think

01:05:32.050 --> 01:05:35.809
so. You know, he used to say he's a great president

01:05:35.809 --> 01:05:37.829
that we got along. We did. We actually got along.

01:05:37.980 --> 01:05:40.900
at that point. But I think somebody said, you

01:05:40.900 --> 01:05:43.440
just can't continue to call him a great president.

01:05:43.780 --> 01:05:46.280
You know, they do say that. But we had it all

01:05:46.280 --> 01:05:49.119
done. He didn't sign. And then we got onto other

01:05:49.119 --> 01:05:52.519
things. And every time I go to California, you

01:05:52.519 --> 01:05:56.510
have so much water. They don't know it. I'm telling

01:05:56.510 --> 01:05:58.429
you people living in Beverly Hills. They turn

01:05:58.429 --> 01:06:00.369
off the water same thing with the electric They

01:06:00.369 --> 01:06:02.429
want to go to all electric cars, but they have

01:06:02.429 --> 01:06:04.670
brownouts every weekend, you know Well right

01:06:04.670 --> 01:06:07.190
after they made the announcement that as of 2035

01:06:07.190 --> 01:06:09.530
you're not gonna be able to buy an internal combustion

01:06:09.530 --> 01:06:12.349
engine in California like within a month They

01:06:12.349 --> 01:06:14.849
had some announcement asking people to not charge

01:06:14.849 --> 01:06:18.639
their Tesla's Because the grid couldn't handle

01:06:18.639 --> 01:06:21.420
it. I will terminate the mandate immediately.

01:06:22.579 --> 01:06:25.159
That will be done, I would say, in my first day,

01:06:25.179 --> 01:06:27.840
maybe two days. Let me ask you about nuclear.

01:06:28.739 --> 01:06:31.039
One of the things that when I've talked to people

01:06:31.039 --> 01:06:33.760
that have a real understanding of nuclear power,

01:06:34.380 --> 01:06:37.059
what their position is, it's probably the cleanest,

01:06:37.239 --> 01:06:39.900
safest form of electricity that we could generate.

01:06:41.239 --> 01:06:45.380
The fears of nuclear power are really about a

01:06:45.380 --> 01:06:48.099
few disasters, the Fukushima, Three Mile Island.

01:06:49.980 --> 01:06:54.199
These are old systems, and they're much more

01:06:54.199 --> 01:06:56.380
capable now, and they're capable of making even

01:06:56.380 --> 01:06:59.789
better systems. It's a difficult political issue,

01:07:00.190 --> 01:07:03.070
because you think nuclear power, you think Chernobyl.

01:07:03.210 --> 01:07:04.690
That's what everybody does. They have this connection.

01:07:04.730 --> 01:07:07.630
They had the potential disaster. Or Fukushima,

01:07:07.690 --> 01:07:09.389
where you're not supposed to enter the land for

01:07:09.389 --> 01:07:11.690
3 ,000 years or something. It's crazy. I think

01:07:11.690 --> 01:07:14.150
it's worse than that. I think that area is going

01:07:14.150 --> 01:07:16.710
to be radioactive for probably longer than you

01:07:16.710 --> 01:07:19.590
could imagine. The point is they're better at

01:07:19.590 --> 01:07:22.090
it now, and that they could do it now, and you

01:07:22.090 --> 01:07:25.070
can generate power in a way that you don't have

01:07:25.070 --> 01:07:27.230
to worry about these. One of the most ridiculous

01:07:27.230 --> 01:07:30.150
things is electric cars being powered by coal

01:07:30.150 --> 01:07:32.730
-fired plants. It's a ridiculous thing. So it's

01:07:32.730 --> 01:07:34.690
happening. Yeah, it is what's happening. And

01:07:34.690 --> 01:07:37.170
people want to think they're being green, you

01:07:37.170 --> 01:07:38.889
know, but it's... Well, if you look at the way

01:07:38.889 --> 01:07:40.449
the battery is made, but here's the other thing.

01:07:40.489 --> 01:07:43.409
We don't have... Well, we do, actually. It's

01:07:43.409 --> 01:07:45.110
being held. You know, we have certain areas where

01:07:45.110 --> 01:07:48.420
we have great raw earth material. And we're not

01:07:48.420 --> 01:07:50.059
allowed to use it because of the environment.

01:07:50.219 --> 01:07:52.920
And we have areas in California that have incredible,

01:07:53.300 --> 01:07:55.880
raw earth. And they're not allowing, and I'm

01:07:55.880 --> 01:07:57.500
going to open it up. I'm going to let them use

01:07:57.500 --> 01:08:00.380
it. But how do you do that? How do you do that

01:08:00.380 --> 01:08:02.179
and protect the environment? Because the environment

01:08:02.179 --> 01:08:03.719
is going to be protected. You can do it. You

01:08:03.719 --> 01:08:05.699
can make a lake out of it. OK, we'll put back

01:08:05.699 --> 01:08:08.139
a lake. I mean, something nice about lakes. You

01:08:08.139 --> 01:08:11.260
can do things magnificently. You just have to

01:08:11.260 --> 01:08:13.280
do it carefully and responsibly. Absolutely.

01:08:13.440 --> 01:08:15.579
You have to do it carefully. But the problem,

01:08:15.900 --> 01:08:18.989
you know, China has all of those areas, most

01:08:18.989 --> 01:08:23.010
of those areas. And yet, when they say, go electric

01:08:23.010 --> 01:08:25.529
with the cars, China is going to be the one that

01:08:25.529 --> 01:08:27.770
gives us the cars. All of those guys in Detroit

01:08:27.770 --> 01:08:28.970
are going to be out of business. You're going

01:08:28.970 --> 01:08:30.470
to make your electric cars over there. We have

01:08:30.470 --> 01:08:34.270
a thing called gasoline, and we have more oil

01:08:34.270 --> 01:08:36.489
and gas under our feet than any other nation.

01:08:36.890 --> 01:08:40.250
You know, I had, in Alaska, there's a find. It's

01:08:40.250 --> 01:08:43.029
called ANWR. I got it approved. Reagan couldn't

01:08:43.029 --> 01:08:45.550
get it. Nobody could get it. I got it all done.

01:08:45.590 --> 01:08:48.479
It was amazing. They were getting ready to start

01:08:48.479 --> 01:08:51.800
drilling. The equivalent, they think, of Saudi

01:08:51.800 --> 01:08:53.800
Arabia, one of the biggest finds in the world.

01:08:53.960 --> 01:08:57.319
It was all set to go. And Biden comes in. One

01:08:57.319 --> 01:09:00.239
of his first orders were, we're not going to

01:09:00.239 --> 01:09:02.180
use it. It would have been so good for them.

01:09:02.399 --> 01:09:05.310
We could have supplied all of Asia. with oil

01:09:05.310 --> 01:09:07.109
and gas. What was the negative? And you talk

01:09:07.109 --> 01:09:09.869
about money. Right. The negative was politically,

01:09:10.010 --> 01:09:11.550
they didn't think it was good for them. That's

01:09:11.550 --> 01:09:13.069
all. That's all it was. So you don't think that

01:09:13.069 --> 01:09:14.810
it's environmentally dangerous? No, taking it

01:09:14.810 --> 01:09:17.630
from way down deep in the earth, environmentally

01:09:17.630 --> 01:09:20.569
it would have been fine. So it can be done responsibly?

01:09:20.569 --> 01:09:22.390
Absolutely. Oh, otherwise it protects the environment.

01:09:22.470 --> 01:09:25.109
Well, I think windmills. OK, so they talk about

01:09:25.109 --> 01:09:28.029
windmills. I think windmills are really disruptive.

01:09:28.109 --> 01:09:29.810
When you talk about the environment, they kill

01:09:29.810 --> 01:09:32.750
the birds. You want to see a bird cemetery? Go

01:09:32.750 --> 01:09:36.250
under a windmill someday. that hasn't been cleaned

01:09:36.250 --> 01:09:40.489
out with all the bird carcasses. It's like massive

01:09:40.489 --> 01:09:42.210
amounts of birds. Well, they're also a massive

01:09:42.210 --> 01:09:45.289
eyesore. I went to a ranch in South Texas. We

01:09:45.289 --> 01:09:47.630
had to drive past this enormous windmill farm.

01:09:47.970 --> 01:09:51.229
It's gross. It's dystopian. You're looking in

01:09:51.229 --> 01:09:52.810
the left and the right and all you see is these

01:09:52.810 --> 01:09:55.890
big spinning machines that aren't even that effective

01:09:55.890 --> 01:09:58.130
at generating electricity. Correct. Most expensive

01:09:58.130 --> 01:10:01.340
form of electricity is a windmill. And then they

01:10:01.340 --> 01:10:04.500
start to rust and rot. And then they get abandoned

01:10:04.500 --> 01:10:06.380
by the people that built them. Well, you have

01:10:06.380 --> 01:10:08.460
to get rid of all that material, too. When you

01:10:08.460 --> 01:10:10.819
replace those blades, now you have a problem

01:10:10.819 --> 01:10:13.640
because you have to dispose. You have to dispose

01:10:13.640 --> 01:10:16.039
these enormous windmills. And how do you dispose

01:10:16.039 --> 01:10:17.539
them? By the way, they say you can't bury them.

01:10:18.140 --> 01:10:19.840
I even questioned that, but I'm not going to

01:10:19.840 --> 01:10:22.060
get into it. But they say you can't bury them.

01:10:22.079 --> 01:10:24.439
So you have the blades, and you can't bury the

01:10:24.439 --> 01:10:25.979
blades. You can bury the blades. It's not going

01:10:25.979 --> 01:10:27.420
to matter. You can bury them. You'll find areas

01:10:27.420 --> 01:10:29.789
you can bury. They come up, this is what I mean,

01:10:29.890 --> 01:10:32.369
they come up with this, but the environmentalist

01:10:32.369 --> 01:10:35.430
dream is windmills. You know what happens to

01:10:35.430 --> 01:10:37.609
them? After five years, they start to rot. After

01:10:37.609 --> 01:10:40.090
10 years, you have to replace them. Did you ever

01:10:40.090 --> 01:10:42.289
look at certain parts of California where they

01:10:42.289 --> 01:10:44.430
have heavy windmills and they've been abandoned

01:10:44.430 --> 01:10:47.050
and they're all different manufacturers in all

01:10:47.050 --> 01:10:49.069
different companies? I haven't seen that. It

01:10:49.069 --> 01:10:51.510
is the ugliest thing. It looks like a graveyard

01:10:51.510 --> 01:10:54.890
almost, a graveyard of windmills. It's pollution.

01:10:54.890 --> 01:10:58.229
It's so bad. And in the oceans. It's no different

01:10:58.229 --> 01:11:00.369
than leaving garbage on the ground. How about

01:11:00.369 --> 01:11:02.449
in New Jersey, off the coast of New Jersey, they

01:11:02.449 --> 01:11:05.850
want to build... The people are going crazy not

01:11:05.850 --> 01:11:08.430
to build them. But we have them. The whales are

01:11:08.430 --> 01:11:11.449
washing up on shore. Right. So... In 50 years,

01:11:11.489 --> 01:11:13.590
they had one whale come ashore. Now they had

01:11:13.590 --> 01:11:17.210
like 18 come in the last year. What is the, what

01:11:17.210 --> 01:11:18.869
is happening with the whales? I've read about

01:11:18.869 --> 01:11:20.689
this. Well, they say that the wind drives them

01:11:20.689 --> 01:11:22.689
crazy. You know, it's a vibration because you

01:11:22.689 --> 01:11:25.010
have those, you know, those things that 50 story

01:11:25.010 --> 01:11:26.949
building some of them. Right. And they're super

01:11:26.949 --> 01:11:29.369
sensitive to vibration. They have those, you

01:11:29.369 --> 01:11:31.390
know, the wind is rushing, the things are blowing.

01:11:31.590 --> 01:11:34.710
It's a vibration and it makes noise. You know

01:11:34.710 --> 01:11:36.850
what it is? I want to be a whale psychiatrist.

01:11:36.949 --> 01:11:41.390
It drives. The whales, fricking crazy. And something

01:11:41.390 --> 01:11:44.350
happens with them. But for whatever reason, they're

01:11:44.350 --> 01:11:46.810
getting washed up on shore. And, you know, and

01:11:46.810 --> 01:11:48.630
yet the environment... Conveniently ignored by

01:11:48.630 --> 01:11:49.869
the environmental people. Yeah, but the environmentalists,

01:11:50.010 --> 01:11:51.829
they don't talk about it. Right. I think there's

01:11:51.829 --> 01:11:54.130
nothing uglier. I see it in Scotland. I see it

01:11:54.130 --> 01:11:57.050
all over the world. You have this beautiful valley

01:11:57.050 --> 01:11:59.909
that's been there for, you know, in civilization,

01:12:00.270 --> 01:12:02.869
thousands of years, but millions of years. And

01:12:02.869 --> 01:12:05.310
all of a sudden you have these ugly... windmills

01:12:05.310 --> 01:12:07.770
up. Would your plan to be replaced out with nuclear?

01:12:07.909 --> 01:12:09.529
What would you do? Well, nuclear is better. I

01:12:09.529 --> 01:12:11.270
mean, I think there's a little danger to nuclear.

01:12:11.470 --> 01:12:14.250
But, you know, we had some really bad nuclear.

01:12:14.409 --> 01:12:17.550
They did one in Alabama. They did one in, I think,

01:12:17.729 --> 01:12:20.850
South Carolina. They do them wrong. They build

01:12:20.850 --> 01:12:23.710
these massive things. Then the environmentalists

01:12:23.710 --> 01:12:26.779
get in. I don't want to go into a long story,

01:12:26.880 --> 01:12:28.399
because it's too long for the show. This show

01:12:28.399 --> 01:12:31.140
is too valuable to talk about concrete. But they

01:12:31.140 --> 01:12:33.199
have hardened concrete. It's number 12 concrete.

01:12:33.699 --> 01:12:36.239
It's harder than steel. It's incredible. They

01:12:36.239 --> 01:12:38.140
put up a wall, and an inspector comes along.

01:12:38.420 --> 01:12:41.199
No, no, you're a quarter of an inch. The wall

01:12:41.199 --> 01:12:44.420
might be eight feet wide. You're a quarter of

01:12:44.420 --> 01:12:46.100
an inch too short. I'm sorry. You've got to rip

01:12:46.100 --> 01:12:47.899
down the wall, because it's got to be poured

01:12:47.899 --> 01:12:51.399
contiguously, right? One quarter of an inch,

01:12:51.420 --> 01:12:53.439
I'm sorry, ripped down. You can't rip it down.

01:12:53.560 --> 01:12:55.119
This stuff, you can't put a hammer through it.

01:12:55.199 --> 01:12:58.619
You can't. It's incredible. Concrete technology

01:12:58.619 --> 01:13:01.720
is unbelievable, what's happened. You think of

01:13:01.720 --> 01:13:03.460
concrete. So you think that's an example of over

01:13:03.460 --> 01:13:05.079
-regulation? Yeah, pointless over -regulation.

01:13:05.100 --> 01:13:06.600
Well, you have an inspector that comes along,

01:13:06.619 --> 01:13:10.359
and he says, take down a $25 zillion wall. These

01:13:10.359 --> 01:13:14.340
things ended up costing $25 billion. And one

01:13:14.340 --> 01:13:16.619
of them never got opened. But here's the story.

01:13:17.340 --> 01:13:20.949
So France does it. France is largely nuclear

01:13:20.949 --> 01:13:24.789
and they build small little compact plants and

01:13:24.789 --> 01:13:26.590
if they need more they build the same thing and

01:13:26.590 --> 01:13:29.210
they hook it up and they hook it up because they

01:13:29.210 --> 01:13:32.109
get too big and too complex and too expensive

01:13:32.109 --> 01:13:37.090
and it is very clean they say it's it's absolutely

01:13:37.090 --> 01:13:39.350
you know my uncle I had a great uncle who was

01:13:39.350 --> 01:13:43.050
a great genius just like other members of my

01:13:43.050 --> 01:13:48.689
family but he was a professor at MIT for, I think,

01:13:48.810 --> 01:13:50.869
41 years. He was the longest serving. When I

01:13:50.869 --> 01:13:53.689
was in the White House, the head of MIT Princeton

01:13:53.689 --> 01:13:57.329
and Harvard came down to meet me. And the MIT

01:13:57.329 --> 01:13:59.710
person said, I have a book on your uncle, Dr.

01:13:59.850 --> 01:14:02.090
John Trump. He was our longest serving professor.

01:14:02.090 --> 01:14:04.050
He was a great genius, sir. Do you know how?

01:14:04.409 --> 01:14:08.989
And he knew everything about nuclear, from math

01:14:08.989 --> 01:14:12.609
to chemistry to nuclear, he knew it. And he said,

01:14:12.729 --> 01:14:14.449
someday it's going to be the way to go, but the

01:14:14.449 --> 01:14:17.270
problem is it's so dangerous in terms of war.

01:14:17.870 --> 01:14:21.670
He said, Donald, someday, and this was a long

01:14:21.670 --> 01:14:25.590
time, Uncle John, Dr. John Trump, he said, someday,

01:14:26.350 --> 01:14:29.770
you'll have a little satchel at your side, and

01:14:29.770 --> 01:14:31.210
you'll go into a building and you'll be able

01:14:31.210 --> 01:14:33.689
to blow up New York City. I said, Uncle John,

01:14:33.750 --> 01:14:35.869
that'll never happen. He's right, you know, he's

01:14:35.869 --> 01:14:37.770
right. The power's so crazy. Well, that was part

01:14:37.770 --> 01:14:40.310
of the problem with giving nuclear power to other

01:14:40.310 --> 01:14:41.970
countries, right? Like, that was the problem

01:14:41.970 --> 01:14:44.210
that happened with India and Pakistan. They got

01:14:44.210 --> 01:14:47.220
nuclear. power, and then they were able to weaponize

01:14:47.220 --> 01:14:49.800
it. The biggest problem in the world today is

01:14:49.800 --> 01:14:53.380
not global warming. It's nuclear warming. And

01:14:53.380 --> 01:14:57.279
we have idiots that are negotiating for us. We

01:14:57.279 --> 01:14:59.340
have a guy that doesn't make it past four o 'clock,

01:14:59.380 --> 01:15:02.000
and it's not because of age. You know, I know

01:15:02.000 --> 01:15:04.340
so many guys in their late 80s, and they're better

01:15:04.340 --> 01:15:06.479
than new. I said to one guy, I think you're smarter

01:15:06.479 --> 01:15:08.279
than you were 25 years ago. I've known him a

01:15:08.279 --> 01:15:12.220
long time. He's 89 years old. He's sharp. I mean,

01:15:12.220 --> 01:15:16.189
he's great. Biden gives people a bad name because

01:15:16.189 --> 01:15:18.729
that's not an old, that's not an age. I think

01:15:18.729 --> 01:15:20.689
they say it because I'm three or four years younger.

01:15:20.909 --> 01:15:22.229
You know, I think that's why they say it. They

01:15:22.229 --> 01:15:24.770
say his age. It's not his age. He's got a problem.

01:15:24.789 --> 01:15:28.310
Two major brain surgeries. He did. He did. Those

01:15:28.310 --> 01:15:30.510
are not good operations. And do you see what

01:15:30.510 --> 01:15:33.760
he did today? He went running towards the camera

01:15:33.760 --> 01:15:37.220
and made some apology to Native Americans. And

01:15:37.220 --> 01:15:39.300
he said that's why he's headed out west. Like

01:15:39.300 --> 01:15:43.119
he's off the reservation, so to speak, for lack

01:15:43.119 --> 01:15:44.680
of a better term. You know, it's interesting

01:15:44.680 --> 01:15:48.949
because during the debate. I was looking over,

01:15:48.970 --> 01:15:51.609
I'm saying, hmm, this is strange. It's just sort

01:15:51.609 --> 01:15:53.529
of like strange things were happening. Yeah.

01:15:53.850 --> 01:15:55.609
Well, he couldn't keep it together, but do you

01:15:55.609 --> 01:15:57.029
think they knew he couldn't keep it together?

01:15:57.350 --> 01:15:59.050
I think so. Do you think that they wanted, is

01:15:59.050 --> 01:16:01.189
that why, like, historically that debate was

01:16:01.189 --> 01:16:03.609
earlier than they've been in the past, right?

01:16:04.109 --> 01:16:06.109
I think they wanted to get, well, there's a lot

01:16:06.109 --> 01:16:08.529
of theories. A lot of people said, do the debate

01:16:08.529 --> 01:16:11.039
now and we'll get him out. Right. I think that

01:16:11.039 --> 01:16:13.039
maybe could be. Well, that is what happened.

01:16:14.300 --> 01:16:16.579
I think they also said, do the debate now and

01:16:16.579 --> 01:16:19.800
get it over with. I don't think anybody thought

01:16:19.800 --> 01:16:21.560
he was going to get out, really. That didn't

01:16:21.560 --> 01:16:24.739
make any sense. The debate got him out, but I

01:16:24.739 --> 01:16:27.079
think it's very unfair. Look, you have a bad

01:16:27.079 --> 01:16:30.539
debate, his numbers went down, but I think she's

01:16:30.539 --> 01:16:32.579
not doing very well right now, and I think she

01:16:32.579 --> 01:16:35.140
looks... Well, I want to get to that too because

01:16:35.140 --> 01:16:37.800
it's hard to know like the whole poll thing is

01:16:37.800 --> 01:16:39.819
very bizarre for most people because most people

01:16:39.819 --> 01:16:42.079
don't answer polls So they read the polls then

01:16:42.079 --> 01:16:45.640
when you have a cold I was never called by a

01:16:45.640 --> 01:16:47.399
pulse if I did I wouldn't answer I'm busy You

01:16:47.399 --> 01:16:49.460
know how polls are done. I know I'm gonna get

01:16:49.460 --> 01:16:52.560
myself in trouble, but So I really don't believe

01:16:52.560 --> 01:16:56.140
too much in him So well 2016 taught a lot of

01:16:56.140 --> 01:16:57.779
people about the ineffective. Well, they were

01:16:57.779 --> 01:16:59.380
very effective because I thought I was doing

01:16:59.380 --> 01:17:02.789
well I'd go to a place and I'd have 30 40 ,000

01:17:02.789 --> 01:17:04.989
people Hillary would go they have 500 people

01:17:04.989 --> 01:17:07.050
and they tell me I'm gonna lose I said why am

01:17:07.050 --> 01:17:09.329
I gonna lose I had 40 ,000 people she had 200

01:17:09.329 --> 01:17:12.369
people But you know, I have a theory these pulses

01:17:12.369 --> 01:17:13.970
they charge you a lot of money, too You know,

01:17:13.970 --> 01:17:15.850
they charge you half a million bucks to do some

01:17:15.850 --> 01:17:18.869
stupid Paul and they interview like 251 people.

01:17:19.310 --> 01:17:21.569
I don't think they interview in many cases I

01:17:21.569 --> 01:17:23.210
don't want to get myself in too much. You think

01:17:23.210 --> 01:17:25.770
it's bullshit. I think they sit there. They make

01:17:25.770 --> 01:17:29.060
a deal They get a half a million bucks Trump's

01:17:29.060 --> 01:17:31.680
leading, 51 to 49, they announce it and everybody

01:17:31.680 --> 01:17:35.979
says, oh, do you understand? I don't think they,

01:17:36.500 --> 01:17:39.739
I think in a lot, look, I'm a very common sense

01:17:39.739 --> 01:17:43.319
person. I think that they probably don't always

01:17:43.319 --> 01:17:47.750
poll. Some of them probably never poll. What's

01:17:47.750 --> 01:17:51.550
the difference between 49 to 51 and 47 and a

01:17:51.550 --> 01:17:54.289
half? Well, it's also a tiny percentage of the

01:17:54.289 --> 01:17:56.350
population. I don't think it's representative

01:17:56.350 --> 01:17:58.729
of the overall population. I just don't think

01:17:58.729 --> 01:18:00.789
it is. I don't know of one person in my whole

01:18:00.789 --> 01:18:03.149
life that ever got called by a pollster. Exactly.

01:18:03.310 --> 01:18:07.529
That's my point. So here's my question. But I

01:18:07.529 --> 01:18:09.069
shouldn't say that because I'm doing very, you

01:18:09.069 --> 01:18:10.710
know, really well in the polls now. But I think

01:18:10.710 --> 01:18:12.649
that's... So this week I happen to believe in

01:18:12.649 --> 01:18:15.069
a very... I only believe if they're good. No.

01:18:15.520 --> 01:18:18.840
I like them this month. But no, I honestly believe

01:18:18.840 --> 01:18:21.159
that there's probably a lot of fraud. I had a

01:18:21.159 --> 01:18:23.800
poll, Washington Post, ABC, in the Hillary thing

01:18:23.800 --> 01:18:26.960
on Wisconsin. They had me down 17 points the

01:18:26.960 --> 01:18:30.279
day before the election. I knew it was wrong

01:18:30.279 --> 01:18:32.800
because I had a rally. I had 29 ,000 people at

01:18:32.800 --> 01:18:35.359
a racetrack, and it was like zero degrees Wisconsin.

01:18:36.220 --> 01:18:39.100
And they had me down 17 points. In other words,

01:18:39.119 --> 01:18:42.710
you had no chance. And I won. And I called up

01:18:42.710 --> 01:18:46.090
my pollsters, good guy, good guy, and I believe

01:18:46.090 --> 01:18:48.630
he's legitimate. And some of them aren't, some

01:18:48.630 --> 01:18:51.409
of them aren't. I said, tell me, why did they

01:18:51.409 --> 01:18:54.189
have me down so much? I mean, nobody's gonna

01:18:54.189 --> 01:18:56.069
believe them the next time. They said, they don't

01:18:56.069 --> 01:18:59.350
care. When you're down 17 points, people are

01:18:59.350 --> 01:19:01.430
gonna stay home, they're not gonna vote. Because

01:19:01.430 --> 01:19:02.949
they're gonna say, I love Trump, but I'm not

01:19:02.949 --> 01:19:05.449
gonna waste my time, it's cold out. I said, but

01:19:05.449 --> 01:19:07.149
why don't they make it four or five? He said,

01:19:07.229 --> 01:19:09.420
at four or five. They're going to go and vote

01:19:09.420 --> 01:19:12.100
at 17. They're not going to go and vote. So think

01:19:12.100 --> 01:19:13.979
of it. I was seven. This is the Washington Post,

01:19:14.119 --> 01:19:17.779
ABC, Paul. I was down 17 points in Wisconsin

01:19:17.779 --> 01:19:21.819
and I won. It's crooked stuff. There's a lot

01:19:21.819 --> 01:19:23.180
of crooked stuff. And I wanted to talk about

01:19:23.180 --> 01:19:25.880
that, too, because one of the things are people.

01:19:26.680 --> 01:19:30.399
talk about with you is the denial of the results.

01:19:30.699 --> 01:19:32.659
And I think J .D. Vance did a brilliant job the

01:19:32.659 --> 01:19:34.699
other day when he was being interviewed, and

01:19:34.699 --> 01:19:37.439
they asked him, did Trump lose the 2020 election?

01:19:37.739 --> 01:19:41.119
And he turned it around and said, was there legitimate

01:19:41.119 --> 01:19:44.359
election interference in suppressing the Hunter

01:19:44.359 --> 01:19:49.079
Biden laptop story on social media? And was that

01:19:49.079 --> 01:19:51.399
a concerted effort? Well, they say it made a

01:19:51.399 --> 01:19:55.710
10 -point difference, and I lost by one... 10th

01:19:55.710 --> 01:19:59.810
of a point. They say it was 22 ,000 votes, but

01:19:59.810 --> 01:20:01.750
look, it was much more than that. And I appreciate

01:20:01.750 --> 01:20:03.609
Jay DeVince saying that. And by the way, I think

01:20:03.609 --> 01:20:06.789
he was a great pick. Do you like JD? I like him

01:20:06.789 --> 01:20:08.670
a lot. Yeah, you're allowed to say that is no

01:20:08.670 --> 01:20:11.229
I do I like I think he's a brilliant guy and

01:20:11.229 --> 01:20:14.670
I think his ability to talk like a normal human

01:20:14.670 --> 01:20:16.470
being He did you did my friend Theo Vaughn's

01:20:16.470 --> 01:20:18.390
podcast right and he just did it. How did he

01:20:18.390 --> 01:20:21.229
do? He did great and he just talks like why you

01:20:21.229 --> 01:20:23.409
call me to do this that way you called me to

01:20:23.409 --> 01:20:27.869
do No, no, I was he was a nice shot you I was

01:20:27.869 --> 01:20:29.729
like he's got to come in here. It's all about

01:20:29.729 --> 01:20:31.600
timing It's all about the timing. Timing's good.

01:20:31.600 --> 01:20:33.420
I think timing's perfect. Do you even have a

01:20:33.420 --> 01:20:34.760
scar on your ear? You got anything on there?

01:20:34.800 --> 01:20:36.640
I do. Let me see. Let me see. Where you got that?

01:20:36.840 --> 01:20:40.199
So right over here. That's a tiny little mark.

01:20:41.039 --> 01:20:44.300
See? It zicked right there. Yeah. It healed up

01:20:44.300 --> 01:20:45.920
pretty fucking good. Yeah, that's pretty good.

01:20:46.100 --> 01:20:49.739
Yeah. It's not like some of the wrestlers, some

01:20:49.739 --> 01:20:52.180
of the UFC fighters. No. You didn't get cauliflower

01:20:52.180 --> 01:20:54.960
here. No. No. It was sort of like a top shot.

01:20:55.020 --> 01:20:57.229
Mm -hmm. The point of the bullet was a little

01:20:57.229 --> 01:20:59.930
of the ass, but you see the things take it off

01:20:59.930 --> 01:21:03.829
a little bit. But it makes me a tougher guy.

01:21:03.989 --> 01:21:05.789
You know, the fighters, you know, the fighters

01:21:05.789 --> 01:21:08.590
love their, you know, Bo Nickle is a great fighter.

01:21:08.869 --> 01:21:10.369
How's he going to do? I think he's terrific.

01:21:10.390 --> 01:21:11.810
He's great. He's a fantastic fighter. He was

01:21:11.810 --> 01:21:14.149
almost like undefeated in college. Yeah, he's

01:21:14.149 --> 01:21:16.489
a fantastic wrestler and one of the best mixed

01:21:16.489 --> 01:21:18.130
martial artists. When is he fighting again? He's

01:21:18.130 --> 01:21:19.609
fighting in Madison Square Garden in November.

01:21:20.750 --> 01:21:23.149
Oh, that's going to be after the election. Yep.

01:21:23.520 --> 01:21:26.199
So I'll either go as president or I'll be depressed

01:21:26.199 --> 01:21:29.779
and I won't bother going. I think they're having

01:21:29.779 --> 01:21:31.260
a fight right now. One of the things that was

01:21:31.260 --> 01:21:34.640
fascinating also was the denial of the election

01:21:34.640 --> 01:21:37.800
results is a pretty common thing. Hillary Clinton

01:21:37.800 --> 01:21:40.680
famously denied that she called you an illegitimate

01:21:40.680 --> 01:21:42.539
president and she said that Russia put you in

01:21:42.539 --> 01:21:44.659
place. Even though she conceded. Yes. You know,

01:21:44.699 --> 01:21:46.500
she conceded the night of the election because

01:21:46.500 --> 01:21:49.949
she was beaten. Yes, and it was a thing that

01:21:49.949 --> 01:21:52.750
was pretty common for people, especially Democrats,

01:21:52.989 --> 01:21:56.289
to deny the elections. There's been many of them,

01:21:56.409 --> 01:21:59.250
the Bush administration, the, you know, the dangling

01:21:59.250 --> 01:22:01.689
Chads, all that stuff. Well, look at these guys

01:22:01.689 --> 01:22:04.090
in Congress, all these sleazebags in Congress

01:22:04.090 --> 01:22:06.550
that are Democrats, they're still denying 2016.

01:22:07.340 --> 01:22:09.579
But now they don't so much because, you know,

01:22:09.600 --> 01:22:11.619
they try and pin it on me. You don't hear them

01:22:11.619 --> 01:22:13.739
say, but they denied it right up until the end.

01:22:13.920 --> 01:22:17.899
My point is this idea of election fraud is a

01:22:17.899 --> 01:22:21.079
forbidden topic and you get labeled an election

01:22:21.079 --> 01:22:23.619
denier. It's like being labeled an anti -vaxxer

01:22:23.619 --> 01:22:26.060
if you question some of the health consequences

01:22:26.060 --> 01:22:27.800
that people have had from the COVID -19 shots.

01:22:28.000 --> 01:22:31.500
Oh my God, you're an anti -vaxxer. If you say,

01:22:31.840 --> 01:22:34.060
and what I say publicly, and I've said this a

01:22:34.060 --> 01:22:37.699
lot, It's not zero percent. So if you ask me,

01:22:37.779 --> 01:22:39.460
what is the amount of election fraud in this

01:22:39.460 --> 01:22:42.260
country? Is it zero percent? No one thinks it's

01:22:42.260 --> 01:22:45.460
zero percent. I've never met one person, not

01:22:45.460 --> 01:22:49.819
a super liberal progressive far left person or

01:22:49.819 --> 01:22:52.520
a right wing conservative. Not one person thinks

01:22:52.520 --> 01:22:54.899
it's zero percent. They think when you have human

01:22:54.899 --> 01:22:58.899
beings and also you have a lot of weirdness that

01:22:58.899 --> 01:23:02.020
was going on during the 2020 elections, particularly

01:23:02.020 --> 01:23:05.039
with mail in ballots. And you had legislatures

01:23:05.039 --> 01:23:07.439
that had to approve and they didn't approve and

01:23:07.439 --> 01:23:10.050
they went out and did it anyway. And you had

01:23:10.050 --> 01:23:12.869
ballot. You had old fashioned ballot screwing.

01:23:12.989 --> 01:23:16.189
I mean, you had. You have people going up and

01:23:16.189 --> 01:23:18.590
dropping in phony votes. You had unsigned ballots,

01:23:18.829 --> 01:23:20.090
et cetera, et cetera. There's certain people

01:23:20.090 --> 01:23:22.609
that think that they have, and the rhetoric is

01:23:22.609 --> 01:23:25.510
also that you're Hitler, and that in order to

01:23:25.510 --> 01:23:27.649
stop Hitler, you have to do whatever it takes.

01:23:27.649 --> 01:23:29.609
That was okay, yeah. Yeah, and this is, I mean,

01:23:29.689 --> 01:23:31.529
you're hearing this now. Kamala compared you

01:23:31.529 --> 01:23:35.090
to, said your love of Hitler yesterday. You know,

01:23:35.189 --> 01:23:38.090
Kamala's a very low IQ person. She's a very low

01:23:38.090 --> 01:23:41.359
IQ. You know, I'm for taking tests, too. I think

01:23:41.359 --> 01:23:43.539
anybody that runs for president should take.

01:23:43.659 --> 01:23:45.479
They should give them tests. And it's not an

01:23:45.479 --> 01:23:47.819
age thing. It's not based. If you look back on

01:23:47.819 --> 01:23:51.199
history, 70s and 80s, some of your greatest leaders

01:23:51.199 --> 01:23:53.699
in the world, world history, long time world

01:23:53.699 --> 01:23:57.020
history, they were in their 70s and their 80s.

01:23:57.300 --> 01:23:59.220
But I think you should take cognitive tests.

01:23:59.399 --> 01:24:02.119
I think everybody, they say it's unconstitutional.

01:24:02.590 --> 01:24:04.270
But I think that's ridiculous. I think Kamala

01:24:04.270 --> 01:24:05.909
should have a test because there's something

01:24:05.909 --> 01:24:07.710
missing. There's something wrong with her. Well,

01:24:07.710 --> 01:24:09.909
I think it's pressure. I think the pressure and

01:24:09.909 --> 01:24:11.909
the scrutiny. You've been a celebrity for a long

01:24:11.909 --> 01:24:13.970
time and you understand what this is like. But

01:24:13.970 --> 01:24:16.789
for someone who's in her late 40s, who becomes

01:24:16.789 --> 01:24:18.949
the vice president, who runs for president, becomes

01:24:18.949 --> 01:24:21.229
the vice president, and then all of a sudden

01:24:21.229 --> 01:24:22.750
the weight of the world is on your shoulders

01:24:22.750 --> 01:24:24.630
and there's all these people paying. A lot of

01:24:24.630 --> 01:24:26.890
people clam up. But you either have it or you

01:24:26.890 --> 01:24:30.270
don't. Correct. Look. This is an interview you've

01:24:30.270 --> 01:24:32.510
we've covered a lot of territory right and you

01:24:32.510 --> 01:24:35.609
know, it's fine. I don't care I want to I think

01:24:35.609 --> 01:24:39.369
it's much more interesting she to do an interview

01:24:39.369 --> 01:24:44.970
with Anderson Cooper a softball crazy softball

01:24:44.970 --> 01:24:47.989
interview She took two days off and she studied

01:24:47.989 --> 01:24:50.029
and studied all day long and then she comes out

01:24:50.029 --> 01:24:51.789
with a result That was a real embarrassment.

01:24:51.789 --> 01:24:53.970
That was a really bad interview. She couldn't

01:24:53.970 --> 01:24:57.029
answer a question and every question is not answered.

01:24:57.029 --> 01:24:59.800
I mean Like, what would you do your first day

01:24:59.800 --> 01:25:02.479
in office? Okay, I'll build a wall. I won't build

01:25:02.479 --> 01:25:04.539
a wall. There's a hundred things you can say.

01:25:04.579 --> 01:25:07.680
Just say anything, right? There's something off

01:25:07.680 --> 01:25:12.000
with her. We're dealing with the smartest people.

01:25:12.340 --> 01:25:14.659
They hate when I say, you know, when I call President

01:25:14.659 --> 01:25:17.380
Xi, they said, he called President Xi brilliant.

01:25:17.460 --> 01:25:19.579
Well, he's a brilliant guy. He controls 1 .4

01:25:19.579 --> 01:25:21.319
billion people with an iron fist. I mean, he's

01:25:21.319 --> 01:25:23.180
a brilliant guy, whether you like it or not.

01:25:23.840 --> 01:25:26.399
And they go crazy. Right, it doesn't mean he's

01:25:26.399 --> 01:25:29.060
not evil, or it doesn't mean he's not dangerous.

01:25:29.699 --> 01:25:32.960
But actually, we have evil people in our country.

01:25:32.979 --> 01:25:35.140
Yes. If you have a smart president, he can deal

01:25:35.140 --> 01:25:38.579
with Russia, he can deal with all of it. Russia

01:25:38.579 --> 01:25:40.640
would have never gone into Ukraine if I were

01:25:40.640 --> 01:25:43.739
president. How would you have stopped it? Automatic,

01:25:43.800 --> 01:25:46.680
two things. I told him. I said, Vladimir, you're

01:25:46.680 --> 01:25:49.260
not going in. I used to talk to him all the time.

01:25:49.640 --> 01:25:52.319
You're not going in. I can't tell you what I

01:25:52.319 --> 01:25:54.899
told him. because I think it would be inappropriate.

01:25:55.479 --> 01:25:56.939
But someday he'll tell you, but he would have

01:25:56.939 --> 01:25:58.579
never gone in. But you know why else he wouldn't

01:25:58.579 --> 01:26:01.739
have gone in? Oil prices at $40 a barrel wouldn't

01:26:01.739 --> 01:26:04.439
have allowed him, wouldn't have given him the

01:26:04.439 --> 01:26:06.600
money to prosecute that war. Wouldn't have given

01:26:06.600 --> 01:26:09.920
him the money. I said it with President... I

01:26:09.920 --> 01:26:12.239
was with President Xi. I said it was almost the

01:26:12.239 --> 01:26:16.779
same conversation. With Vladimir, it was Moscow.

01:26:17.659 --> 01:26:21.619
With President Xi, it was Beijing. It was almost

01:26:21.619 --> 01:26:24.479
the exact same conversation. I said, don't do

01:26:24.479 --> 01:26:26.779
it. He would have never done it. The day I left,

01:26:26.819 --> 01:26:29.960
they flew 28 bombers over the middle of Taiwan.

01:26:30.680 --> 01:26:33.859
28 bombers. And it's the apple of his eye, and

01:26:33.859 --> 01:26:37.560
the same thing with Russia. Ukraine is the apple

01:26:37.560 --> 01:26:39.579
of his eye. I used to talk to him. I had a very

01:26:39.579 --> 01:26:41.859
good relationship with him. He wouldn't have

01:26:41.859 --> 01:26:44.199
done it. He would have never done it. But he

01:26:44.199 --> 01:26:45.920
also wouldn't have done it because of the...

01:26:45.920 --> 01:26:48.329
You know one of the reasons that... What happened

01:26:48.329 --> 01:26:51.109
is, number one, he doesn't respect Biden at all,

01:26:51.449 --> 01:26:53.430
not even a little bit. And who the hell would?

01:26:54.029 --> 01:26:56.329
But he doesn't respect him. But when he saw what

01:26:56.329 --> 01:26:58.850
happened in Afghanistan, how horribly that was

01:26:58.850 --> 01:27:01.710
handled, number one, you take the soldiers out

01:27:01.710 --> 01:27:03.989
last, not first. OK, that was that big mistake.

01:27:04.210 --> 01:27:06.430
And we had that thing charted out and they weren't

01:27:06.430 --> 01:27:10.029
obeying us. They weren't. Abdul is the head of

01:27:10.029 --> 01:27:12.609
the Taliban. Boom, boom. He had to do all these

01:27:12.609 --> 01:27:15.590
things, some he didn't do. I said, no, you're

01:27:15.590 --> 01:27:18.569
not doing you got to do them all. This guy took,

01:27:18.729 --> 01:27:21.189
he immediately took all, he left the equipment

01:27:21.189 --> 01:27:24.130
behind. 13 soldiers dead, but he took everybody

01:27:24.130 --> 01:27:28.010
out. He took his soldiers out before. A child

01:27:28.010 --> 01:27:30.050
would know. That's where Milley was so stupid.

01:27:30.090 --> 01:27:34.090
He was such a stupid guy, Milley. Okay, those

01:27:34.090 --> 01:27:36.470
generals should have all been fired. The Afghan,

01:27:36.890 --> 01:27:39.510
the people that were involved with Afghanistan

01:27:39.510 --> 01:27:41.989
should have all been fired. Then they'd be writing

01:27:41.989 --> 01:27:44.409
books about him, how stupid he was and bad he

01:27:44.409 --> 01:27:48.789
was, but. You take your soldiers out last I had

01:27:48.789 --> 01:27:52.470
a big rally and I saw a child in the front row

01:27:52.470 --> 01:27:55.430
About a year and a half ago, and I called the

01:27:55.430 --> 01:27:57.689
child up. I said you mind if I borrow your child

01:27:57.689 --> 01:28:00.970
Oh, yes, please and they came up kids five years.

01:28:00.970 --> 01:28:02.930
I gave him a quick details You know I said we

01:28:02.930 --> 01:28:05.630
want to get out of this place Then we have this

01:28:05.630 --> 01:28:07.210
so we have this so we have the equipment I gave

01:28:07.210 --> 01:28:09.670
him a little thing I said do you take your soldiers

01:28:09.670 --> 01:28:13.989
out first or last after everything's done you

01:28:13.989 --> 01:28:17.289
take them out last sir A child would know that.

01:28:17.750 --> 01:28:20.489
We took our soldiers out first. What was your

01:28:20.489 --> 01:28:23.729
plan? And we left Bagram. Well, not only that,

01:28:23.829 --> 01:28:26.489
we left billions of dollars worth of equipment

01:28:26.489 --> 01:28:28.909
and military vehicles that they use for parades

01:28:28.909 --> 01:28:31.329
now. The best equipment, you have to embarrass

01:28:31.329 --> 01:28:34.029
us, the best equipment in the world. The Taliban

01:28:34.029 --> 01:28:36.489
parade where they got tanks rolling down the

01:28:36.489 --> 01:28:38.390
streets and Blackhawks flying is the craziest

01:28:38.390 --> 01:28:40.369
thing I've ever seen. In fact, we left all that

01:28:40.369 --> 01:28:42.109
stuff there. We left the best equipment in the

01:28:42.109 --> 01:28:44.949
world behind. What would you have done differently?

01:28:45.199 --> 01:28:47.619
Well, number one, we would have taken it out.

01:28:47.859 --> 01:28:50.600
Just so you go back a little bit further, I had

01:28:50.600 --> 01:28:53.779
a couple of conversations with Abdul. And from

01:28:53.779 --> 01:28:56.000
the time I had those conversations, because they

01:28:56.000 --> 01:28:57.659
were shooting our soldiers, you know, with the

01:28:57.659 --> 01:29:00.500
sniper stuff. They were shooting a lot of them.

01:29:00.500 --> 01:29:02.819
They were shooting a lot with Obama, much less

01:29:02.819 --> 01:29:05.600
with me, but they were shooting them. And I said,

01:29:05.699 --> 01:29:08.239
get this guy on the phone. The press went nuts

01:29:08.239 --> 01:29:11.100
when they heard this. I had a great conversation

01:29:11.100 --> 01:29:14.000
with him. It was a tough conversation. 18 months

01:29:14.000 --> 01:29:16.279
later, there wasn't one soldier that was ever

01:29:16.279 --> 01:29:19.220
shot at. And even Biden admitted it in a moment

01:29:19.220 --> 01:29:21.000
of stupidity because he shouldn't admit it. His

01:29:21.000 --> 01:29:23.479
people went nuts. He said, yeah, well, I will

01:29:23.479 --> 01:29:26.420
admit no soldier. We didn't have a soldier killed

01:29:26.420 --> 01:29:31.199
in 18 months in Afghanistan. Not one soldier

01:29:31.199 --> 01:29:33.899
was killed because he understood what was going

01:29:33.899 --> 01:29:36.939
to happen if that happened. I didn't have one.

01:29:37.060 --> 01:29:40.460
So then when I left. after having gotten more

01:29:40.460 --> 01:29:43.000
votes than any sitting president in the history

01:29:43.000 --> 01:29:45.100
of the country, and much more votes than he got

01:29:45.100 --> 01:29:49.939
in 2016, when I left, they started shooting our

01:29:49.939 --> 01:29:52.899
soldiers. But more importantly, what they did

01:29:52.899 --> 01:29:55.979
is they did that whole thing with, you know,

01:29:55.979 --> 01:29:57.899
leaving. He shouldn't have left, number one,

01:29:58.100 --> 01:30:00.119
should have left from Bagram because Bagram's

01:30:00.119 --> 01:30:03.420
this massive base. It's got tremendous acreage

01:30:03.420 --> 01:30:05.380
around it, tremendous. It's a very big, it was

01:30:05.380 --> 01:30:08.020
built many years ago. And part of the reason

01:30:08.020 --> 01:30:09.840
you wouldn't have taken that is because it goes

01:30:09.840 --> 01:30:13.260
to China. One hour from where China makes its

01:30:13.260 --> 01:30:16.460
nuclear missiles, you should have never left

01:30:16.460 --> 01:30:19.720
Bagram. Number one, they should have left from

01:30:19.720 --> 01:30:23.119
Bagram. They should have left last. They should

01:30:23.119 --> 01:30:24.720
have got — you know, we have Americans that are

01:30:24.720 --> 01:30:27.039
still there. They should have taken all their

01:30:27.039 --> 01:30:29.260
equipment out. Everything should — every plane,

01:30:29.359 --> 01:30:31.560
every screw should have been taken out, every

01:30:31.560 --> 01:30:34.359
tent. And I said that — that's when I realized

01:30:34.359 --> 01:30:37.199
that Milley was a dummy. I said — We're leaving,

01:30:37.520 --> 01:30:39.579
but I want to get everything out. Sir, it's cheaper

01:30:39.579 --> 01:30:41.920
to leave it. I said, what do you mean to leave

01:30:41.920 --> 01:30:43.279
it? It's cheaper to leave it. Yeah, he said it's

01:30:43.279 --> 01:30:45.460
cheaper to leave it. Cheaper. Cheaper. He said

01:30:45.460 --> 01:30:48.800
it's cheaper. Sir. Not more dangerous. He just

01:30:48.800 --> 01:30:51.880
said cheaper. I said, I want every plane. I want

01:30:51.880 --> 01:30:54.399
every tank. I want the goggles. They have night

01:30:54.399 --> 01:30:56.119
goggles. They have all this stuff that these

01:30:56.119 --> 01:30:59.319
guys now have. He said, sir, it's cheaper to

01:30:59.319 --> 01:31:02.060
get out and leave it. I said, so you think it's

01:31:02.060 --> 01:31:05.260
cheaper to leave $150 million brand new airplane?

01:31:05.470 --> 01:31:08.449
in there than it is to fly it out with a tank

01:31:08.449 --> 01:31:11.729
of jet fuel and put it in Pakistan or just fly

01:31:11.729 --> 01:31:14.770
it directly back. It's cheaper to live. I said,

01:31:14.949 --> 01:31:17.689
this guy's nuts. I'm telling you, he was so stupid.

01:31:17.729 --> 01:31:21.289
He was so unwise. He was like an unwise man.

01:31:21.630 --> 01:31:24.350
And there were a number of them. But I defeated

01:31:24.350 --> 01:31:27.590
ISIS with the greatest generals. I had a guy

01:31:27.590 --> 01:31:33.170
who was so great. I flew to Iraq and I met the

01:31:33.170 --> 01:31:35.689
real generals, not these idiots. that we deal

01:31:35.689 --> 01:31:39.390
with. And we knocked out, you know, I defeated

01:31:39.390 --> 01:31:42.609
100 % of the ISIS caliphate. They said it would

01:31:42.609 --> 01:31:44.949
take five years. I did it in a matter of a few,

01:31:46.069 --> 01:31:49.189
literally a few weeks. And we hit them hard.

01:31:49.229 --> 01:31:51.130
And he said, sir, we're going to hit them here.

01:31:51.170 --> 01:31:52.270
We're going to hit them there. We're going to

01:31:52.270 --> 01:31:55.189
hit them here, there. And I said, this guy's

01:31:55.189 --> 01:31:57.670
great. I like this guy. I was told it would take

01:31:57.670 --> 01:32:00.829
five years. That's why I went. I said, how could

01:32:00.829 --> 01:32:02.789
it take five years? We have brand new fighters.

01:32:02.869 --> 01:32:04.970
We have the best planes, the best weapons, the

01:32:04.970 --> 01:32:07.670
best guns, the best bombs. How could it possibly

01:32:07.670 --> 01:32:13.609
take that long? And I flew to, I flew and left

01:32:13.609 --> 01:32:15.449
at three o 'clock in the morning. Nobody knew

01:32:15.449 --> 01:32:17.810
I was going. I got on Air Force One and we started

01:32:17.810 --> 01:32:21.569
flying. And when we reached about half an hour

01:32:21.569 --> 01:32:24.350
away from Iraq, that was where the airport was,

01:32:24.470 --> 01:32:28.100
big airport. about a half an hour away. They

01:32:28.100 --> 01:32:29.819
said, sir, I'm sorry, you'll have to turn off

01:32:29.819 --> 01:32:32.920
all your lights. Why? We're getting close to

01:32:32.920 --> 01:32:35.300
our site, our land. I said, you mean we spent

01:32:35.300 --> 01:32:37.560
eight trillion dollars that we can't leave the

01:32:37.560 --> 01:32:40.500
lights on? Think of this, 20 years, eight trillion

01:32:40.500 --> 01:32:42.359
dollars that we can't leave the lights on in

01:32:42.359 --> 01:32:45.560
a plant. I said, that's okay, turn the lights

01:32:45.560 --> 01:32:47.020
on. I'm not gonna fight them, that's what I'm...

01:32:47.020 --> 01:32:48.840
This is because it's too dangerous? Yeah, too

01:32:48.840 --> 01:32:50.340
dangerous, because they see the light up in the

01:32:50.340 --> 01:32:51.579
air. They'll shoot at it. They'll shoot at it,

01:32:51.579 --> 01:32:55.060
you know? So... I said, turn the lights off.

01:32:55.420 --> 01:32:56.939
Then they said, sir, we're gonna also pull your

01:32:56.939 --> 01:32:58.819
shades if that's okay. I said, that's okay. The

01:32:58.819 --> 01:33:01.300
plane was pitch black. All the lights outside,

01:33:01.420 --> 01:33:03.880
you know, the blinking, the blinking reds, they

01:33:03.880 --> 01:33:07.260
were all turned off. And I like to sit with pilots

01:33:07.260 --> 01:33:09.000
a lot of times. And these guys are specimens.

01:33:09.079 --> 01:33:13.060
I always say, they're better looking than Tom

01:33:13.060 --> 01:33:17.840
Cruise, okay? And they're even taller, like perfect

01:33:17.840 --> 01:33:20.779
specimens. These guys, like for a fighter, you

01:33:20.779 --> 01:33:22.359
know, you have some guys that are perfect specimens.

01:33:23.380 --> 01:33:26.819
And they picked the best pilots in the United

01:33:26.819 --> 01:33:30.199
States Air Force to fly Air Force One. And I

01:33:30.199 --> 01:33:34.920
get up there, and I'm feeling my way up. You

01:33:34.920 --> 01:33:37.159
know, it's up high to 747 as you go through the

01:33:37.159 --> 01:33:39.800
stairs, but I sort of knew my way up. There wasn't

01:33:39.800 --> 01:33:42.000
a light in the plan. I'm saying, can you imagine?

01:33:42.600 --> 01:33:46.140
We spent trillions of dollars, and we're trying

01:33:46.140 --> 01:33:49.619
to fly in blind. But I got into the plane, the

01:33:49.619 --> 01:33:52.500
cockpit is dark black. Little tiny light, you

01:33:52.500 --> 01:33:55.600
could see the pilot. A perfect looking human

01:33:55.600 --> 01:33:57.739
being. His co -pilot, everybody was perfect.

01:33:57.800 --> 01:33:59.340
They were all like movie stars, you know? It's

01:33:59.340 --> 01:34:01.319
like, I could have cast a movie with these guys

01:34:01.319 --> 01:34:02.739
and nobody would believe it because they were

01:34:02.739 --> 01:34:06.079
too good looking. So I said, how are we doing?

01:34:06.359 --> 01:34:08.180
He said, we'll be landing in 10 minutes. And

01:34:08.180 --> 01:34:11.039
I look outside, there's not a light. And I'm

01:34:11.039 --> 01:34:13.060
saying, you know, I've landed a lot of planes.

01:34:13.800 --> 01:34:16.739
And you see like little lights at least. There's

01:34:16.739 --> 01:34:22.439
nothing. It's just pure desert. And I said, OK,

01:34:22.619 --> 01:34:25.479
Captain, good, but I'm looking. You've been in

01:34:25.479 --> 01:34:27.279
many plants where it has the computer, so I'm

01:34:27.279 --> 01:34:34.380
saying 1 ,000 feet. It goes 1 ,900, 800. It's

01:34:34.380 --> 01:34:35.720
a computer voice, but it sounds like it, but

01:34:35.720 --> 01:34:39.819
it's an incredible voice. 700. I say, Captain,

01:34:39.899 --> 01:34:43.720
are we OK? I'm looking. Are we OK, Captain? There's

01:34:43.720 --> 01:34:46.350
no lights. And I'm looking, normally when you

01:34:46.350 --> 01:34:47.989
land a plane, because I sit with Paul Solon,

01:34:48.090 --> 01:34:50.130
I think it's great, I think it's a great profession,

01:34:50.369 --> 01:34:52.229
everything, they're incredible, these machines

01:34:52.229 --> 01:34:55.310
are incredible. He said, sir, we're fine, no

01:34:55.310 --> 01:34:59.710
problem, sir. I said, I don't see the lights

01:34:59.710 --> 01:35:03.229
up there, Captain. Sure, we're okay. So, I mean,

01:35:03.310 --> 01:35:05.989
I'm exaggerating a little bit. Problem with exaggerating

01:35:05.989 --> 01:35:09.430
will tell the story. Trump was a coward. So I'm

01:35:09.430 --> 01:35:13.010
sitting with him. 500 foot and I'm saying and

01:35:13.010 --> 01:35:15.909
I'm telling you there wasn't a light on the runway

01:35:15.909 --> 01:35:20.670
Nothing, and we're going in You okay captain

01:35:20.670 --> 01:35:22.729
everything good. Yes, sir. No problem. We'll

01:35:22.729 --> 01:35:25.850
be down in about one minute, sir And I'm telling

01:35:25.850 --> 01:35:29.829
you Joe You know, there's always a light. There's

01:35:29.829 --> 01:35:34.189
not a little pin and All of a sudden and you

01:35:34.189 --> 01:35:37.960
hear a blah blah perfect landing like glass That's

01:35:37.960 --> 01:35:39.939
how good I mean these guys between the equipment

01:35:39.939 --> 01:35:43.779
and it's genius It's pure. It was so dark. You

01:35:43.779 --> 01:35:46.640
couldn't see a thing. There was no runway You

01:35:46.640 --> 01:35:48.180
wouldn't know where the hell you're you're in

01:35:48.180 --> 01:35:50.760
the middle of a desert and then I got out of

01:35:50.760 --> 01:35:52.840
the plane I said, thank you captain. It's a great

01:35:52.840 --> 01:35:56.039
job and then I get out of the plane and I'm going

01:35:56.039 --> 01:35:59.479
down and I see a general and another general

01:35:59.479 --> 01:36:02.539
and I see a staff sergeant a drill sergeant and

01:36:02.539 --> 01:36:07.439
a various guys all central casting Central casting.

01:36:09.060 --> 01:36:10.720
They said, sir, would you like to rest? I said,

01:36:10.739 --> 01:36:12.680
I don't want to rest. I want to figure out what

01:36:12.680 --> 01:36:14.260
the hell are we doing with ISIS. I'm hearing

01:36:14.260 --> 01:36:17.420
we can't. It's going to take years. No, sir,

01:36:17.420 --> 01:36:20.619
we can do it very quickly, sir. Anyway, we go

01:36:20.619 --> 01:36:23.140
into the room. We go and I mean, Biden would

01:36:23.140 --> 01:36:25.140
have taken a nap for four days and then left

01:36:25.140 --> 01:36:27.920
without a meeting. So we go into the room and

01:36:27.920 --> 01:36:30.899
they have these guys. I say, how long can you

01:36:30.899 --> 01:36:33.100
do it? How long? We can do it in a couple of

01:36:33.100 --> 01:36:34.979
weeks, sir. I said, wait a minute, they told

01:36:34.979 --> 01:36:38.539
me five years. We can do it. And he gave me a

01:36:38.539 --> 01:36:43.760
number, like in no time. I said, why haven't

01:36:43.760 --> 01:36:46.899
you done it? Because the orders came in from

01:36:46.899 --> 01:36:48.699
Washington, sir, and they would come here and

01:36:48.699 --> 01:36:51.369
tell us what to do. Don't you challenge us? We're

01:36:51.369 --> 01:36:53.689
not allowed to do that, sir. That's not the military

01:36:53.689 --> 01:36:55.710
way. They tell us what to do, and we have to

01:36:55.710 --> 01:36:58.869
respect them. So do you think that it was incompetence

01:36:58.869 --> 01:37:01.689
why they didn't go after ISIS? I think it's a

01:37:01.689 --> 01:37:03.670
bad system. You know, when Mattis goes there,

01:37:03.789 --> 01:37:05.909
or when Milley goes there, who's stupid, and

01:37:05.909 --> 01:37:07.850
they tell these guys that are actually smart

01:37:07.850 --> 01:37:10.899
what to do. And the guys that are smart are saying

01:37:10.899 --> 01:37:12.859
we don't like what they're doing, but they're

01:37:12.859 --> 01:37:15.239
not allowed to sort of counteract. Plus, the

01:37:15.239 --> 01:37:17.260
guys that went there are arrogant. You know,

01:37:17.319 --> 01:37:19.500
they're arrogant fools. They're like stupid fools.

01:37:20.560 --> 01:37:23.039
The way they pulled out of, you know, the way

01:37:23.039 --> 01:37:25.560
they, as an example, the way they pulled out

01:37:25.560 --> 01:37:27.880
of Afghanistan with the people falling off the

01:37:27.880 --> 01:37:31.460
planes. It was so, it was worse than Vietnam

01:37:31.460 --> 01:37:34.600
with the helicopters falling. It was so bad.

01:37:34.659 --> 01:37:37.439
There was no reason for it. Anyway, so we knocked

01:37:37.439 --> 01:37:40.760
them out and I mean, we have great military,

01:37:40.800 --> 01:37:43.779
we have great people, but not the television

01:37:43.779 --> 01:37:46.699
guys. And I rebuilt the military, and then they

01:37:46.699 --> 01:37:48.699
gave a chunk of it. Now, you have to tell, as

01:37:48.699 --> 01:37:51.460
much as it is, it's a tiny little piece, believe

01:37:51.460 --> 01:37:54.619
it or not. We have an unbelievable, I rebuilt

01:37:54.619 --> 01:37:58.060
the military, I rebuilt our nuclear, and in a

01:37:58.060 --> 01:38:00.380
way, I hated to redo it, but I got to realize

01:38:00.380 --> 01:38:05.380
how powerful that nuclear is. Joe, one bomb,

01:38:05.779 --> 01:38:09.109
Israel is gone, but forget. One bomb can take

01:38:09.109 --> 01:38:12.909
out the entire East Coast. It's so bad. And I

01:38:12.909 --> 01:38:16.390
watch these poor fools talking about, our oceans

01:38:16.390 --> 01:38:18.810
will rise one -eighth of an inch over the next

01:38:18.810 --> 01:38:22.970
500 years. I mean, we have people, we have countries.

01:38:23.109 --> 01:38:25.670
Right now, you have five countries. And don't

01:38:25.670 --> 01:38:29.130
underestimate North Korea. If you take a look

01:38:29.130 --> 01:38:32.579
at North Korea... I was there. I mean, I was

01:38:32.579 --> 01:38:34.960
with Kim Jong -un. I got along great with him.

01:38:35.239 --> 01:38:36.600
You know, the President, she got along great.

01:38:36.720 --> 01:38:38.479
That's a good thing. It's not a bad thing. It's

01:38:38.479 --> 01:38:41.119
a great thing. Obama thought we were going to

01:38:41.119 --> 01:38:43.819
go to war with North Korea. When I met with Obama

01:38:43.819 --> 01:38:45.659
just prior to the takeover, you know, you meet,

01:38:45.800 --> 01:38:48.939
you have sort of a ceremonial meeting. But it

01:38:48.939 --> 01:38:50.880
lasted a long time, a lot longer than it was

01:38:50.880 --> 01:38:52.479
supposed to last. I said, what's the biggest

01:38:52.479 --> 01:38:55.850
problem? He said, North Korea. By the time I

01:38:55.850 --> 01:38:58.510
finished I was we wouldn't had no problem with

01:38:58.510 --> 01:39:00.770
North Korea. We were really it was a little tough

01:39:00.770 --> 01:39:04.069
at the beginning Remember? Mm -hmm. He said I

01:39:04.069 --> 01:39:06.750
have a red button on my desk. I said I have a

01:39:06.750 --> 01:39:09.329
red button also But mine's bigger than yours

01:39:09.329 --> 01:39:11.329
and mine works. I like how you call them little

01:39:11.329 --> 01:39:14.250
rocket man I said I said a little rocket. I said

01:39:14.250 --> 01:39:16.109
little rocket man. You're gonna burn in hell

01:39:16.109 --> 01:39:19.550
and it was a rough Yeah, oh so rough that people

01:39:19.550 --> 01:39:21.930
were worried. This is crazy. And then one day

01:39:21.930 --> 01:39:25.100
I got a call sort of like a fight I got a call.

01:39:25.359 --> 01:39:27.199
You know, you ever see one that pounding, then

01:39:27.199 --> 01:39:30.659
all of a sudden, but I got a call. And it was

01:39:30.659 --> 01:39:33.060
from him, meaning his people. They wanted to

01:39:33.060 --> 01:39:36.340
meet. They wouldn't meet Obama. He tried to meet.

01:39:36.359 --> 01:39:39.020
They wouldn't even talk to him about it. And

01:39:39.020 --> 01:39:41.220
I think he expected to go to war. I actually

01:39:41.220 --> 01:39:44.159
do. I believe he expected to go. And we checked

01:39:44.159 --> 01:39:46.819
their nuclear stockpile. It is substantial. I

01:39:46.819 --> 01:39:49.560
mean, I said, did you do anything? I got to know

01:39:49.560 --> 01:39:52.000
him very well. I got to know him better than

01:39:52.000 --> 01:39:55.149
anybody, anybody. And I said, do you ever do

01:39:55.149 --> 01:39:56.909
anything else? Why don't you go take it easy

01:39:56.909 --> 01:39:59.470
and relax? Go to the beach. You have beautiful

01:39:59.470 --> 01:40:02.470
beach, nice beachfront property. You know, kiddingly.

01:40:02.750 --> 01:40:04.729
I said, you're always building nuclear. Just

01:40:04.729 --> 01:40:07.829
relax. You don't have to do it. Let's build some

01:40:07.829 --> 01:40:09.590
condos on your shoreline. They actually have

01:40:09.590 --> 01:40:13.279
gorgeous stuff. And he said... I just have to

01:40:13.279 --> 01:40:15.460
do it because I need it for my safety, et cetera.

01:40:15.600 --> 01:40:18.039
I got to know him very well. We had no problem

01:40:18.039 --> 01:40:20.539
with him. If you have a smart problem, if you

01:40:20.539 --> 01:40:23.640
have a smart, really the right president, a smart

01:40:23.640 --> 01:40:26.399
president, you're not gonna have a problem. And

01:40:26.399 --> 01:40:28.899
I say it to people, we have a bigger problem,

01:40:28.920 --> 01:40:31.939
in my opinion, with the enemy from within, and

01:40:31.939 --> 01:40:34.399
it drives them crazy when I use that term, but

01:40:34.399 --> 01:40:36.579
we have an enemy from within. We have people

01:40:36.579 --> 01:40:40.119
that are really bad people. that I really think

01:40:40.119 --> 01:40:43.060
wanna make this country unsuccessful. When you

01:40:43.060 --> 01:40:44.720
look at what's happening at our border, Joe,

01:40:44.720 --> 01:40:47.720
when you have people coming in that, when other

01:40:47.720 --> 01:40:50.060
countries are allowed to empty their prisons

01:40:50.060 --> 01:40:54.699
into our country with murderers, we had 13 ,099

01:40:54.699 --> 01:40:57.619
murderers dropped in our country over the last

01:40:57.619 --> 01:41:01.000
three years. And then 15 ,000 rapists convicted.

01:41:01.479 --> 01:41:04.739
Rapists? Yeah. Drug dealers, drug lords. And

01:41:04.739 --> 01:41:06.500
that's just the ones that have been accounted

01:41:06.500 --> 01:41:09.119
for. Terrorists, correct. people from mental

01:41:09.119 --> 01:41:11.140
institutions. What do you think the strategy

01:41:11.140 --> 01:41:14.600
is? Hundreds to hundreds of thousands of major

01:41:14.600 --> 01:41:18.180
criminals, tougher and worse than anybody we

01:41:18.180 --> 01:41:20.119
have. We're seeing the consequences of it in

01:41:20.119 --> 01:41:22.140
San Antonio. They've taken over apartment buildings

01:41:22.140 --> 01:41:24.100
in Aurora, Colorado. They've taken over apartment

01:41:24.100 --> 01:41:26.500
buildings. These Venezuelan gangs. Just the beginning.

01:41:27.119 --> 01:41:30.500
What do you think the strategy is? You know,

01:41:30.600 --> 01:41:33.279
one of the things that they've said is that you

01:41:33.279 --> 01:41:37.140
stopped a bill from being passed. But didn't

01:41:37.140 --> 01:41:39.960
that bill also include amnesty for the people

01:41:39.960 --> 01:41:42.300
that are already here? Yeah, this is years after

01:41:42.300 --> 01:41:45.880
the fact. The damage was already done. But what

01:41:45.880 --> 01:41:47.779
was the bill? Well, the bill was nothing. It

01:41:47.779 --> 01:41:50.039
allowed two million people in. They were going

01:41:50.039 --> 01:41:53.800
to get amnesty. It was a horrible bill. It didn't

01:41:53.800 --> 01:41:55.920
protect us at all. But we should just tell people

01:41:55.920 --> 01:41:58.199
what the strategy is. So one of the things that's

01:41:58.199 --> 01:42:02.939
been very clear is that they've moved a large

01:42:02.939 --> 01:42:05.420
percentage of these migrants. They're coming

01:42:05.420 --> 01:42:08.260
across the border illegally. They've moved them

01:42:08.260 --> 01:42:11.760
to swing states. This is what's going on with

01:42:11.760 --> 01:42:13.739
Springfield, Ohio, right? They're in swing states?

01:42:13.779 --> 01:42:15.380
Well, that's not a swing state. I'm going to

01:42:15.380 --> 01:42:17.960
win Ohio by a lot. So that's not a swing. But

01:42:17.960 --> 01:42:20.439
it's called Springfield, Ohio, to be exact. And

01:42:20.439 --> 01:42:24.310
Springfield, Ohio. is this very nice community

01:42:24.310 --> 01:42:30.930
of 52 ,000 people that just had 32 ,000 migrants

01:42:30.930 --> 01:42:33.770
that don't speak the language dropped into their

01:42:33.770 --> 01:42:36.850
community. You can't get into a hospital. You

01:42:36.850 --> 01:42:39.869
can't get into a school. It's gone from a beautiful

01:42:39.869 --> 01:42:43.470
little place to a horror show. And the mayor

01:42:43.470 --> 01:42:46.609
is a nice guy. And the mayor says, we're looking

01:42:46.609 --> 01:42:50.159
for interpreters. I said, no. You've got to remove

01:42:50.159 --> 01:42:52.340
them and bring them back to their country, mostly

01:42:52.340 --> 01:42:56.079
Haitians in this case. But they speak no language,

01:42:56.140 --> 01:42:59.760
they speak no English. In fact, even the language

01:42:59.760 --> 01:43:01.920
they do speak, I mean, they can't get interpreters,

01:43:02.079 --> 01:43:03.840
they can't do anything. And the mayor's trying

01:43:03.840 --> 01:43:05.340
to be politically correct, they're all trying

01:43:05.340 --> 01:43:10.119
to be. In Aurora, Colorado, you have the worst,

01:43:10.140 --> 01:43:12.699
probably the worst gang. MS -13 might even be,

01:43:12.779 --> 01:43:14.460
you know, those two are the worst gangs. These

01:43:14.460 --> 01:43:18.600
are Venezuela gangs. They have taken over. apartment

01:43:18.600 --> 01:43:20.199
complexes, and they're going to want to take

01:43:20.199 --> 01:43:22.699
over the whole thing. And you have a weak governor,

01:43:22.880 --> 01:43:26.340
a pathetic governor, who's a radical left Democrat.

01:43:26.619 --> 01:43:29.140
He doesn't know what the hell to do. But you

01:43:29.140 --> 01:43:30.779
have it in many other communities, but they don't

01:43:30.779 --> 01:43:33.000
like to talk about it because it's bad for the

01:43:33.000 --> 01:43:36.220
community to talk about it. These people have

01:43:36.220 --> 01:43:41.220
been let in here by this imbecile. I mean it.

01:43:41.220 --> 01:43:45.319
She's a low IQ person. Low IQ. Right, but it's

01:43:45.319 --> 01:43:48.840
also obviously not just her. There's a strategy

01:43:48.840 --> 01:43:50.140
involved in letting these people in. Well, she

01:43:50.140 --> 01:43:52.140
was in charge of the border. Well, she's in charge

01:43:52.140 --> 01:43:54.779
of the border, but they also, they utilize that

01:43:54.779 --> 01:43:57.579
app. The app that used to be used. It used to

01:43:57.579 --> 01:43:59.420
be used, I think, essentially. Wasn't it for

01:43:59.420 --> 01:44:01.479
shipping? Wasn't it when people were in this

01:44:01.479 --> 01:44:03.439
country? It was used for shipping, and now it's

01:44:03.439 --> 01:44:07.180
used to deal with the cartels. The cartel, heads

01:44:07.180 --> 01:44:09.340
of the cartel, rich people, by the way. These

01:44:09.340 --> 01:44:11.399
are loaded. These people have so much money.

01:44:11.779 --> 01:44:14.579
They would call up. Think of this. They call

01:44:14.579 --> 01:44:17.840
up the app, and the app tells them where they

01:44:17.840 --> 01:44:21.500
should take their load of illegal migrants from

01:44:21.500 --> 01:44:24.579
the Congo. You know, we have a lot from the Congo,

01:44:24.779 --> 01:44:28.899
prisons in the Congo. I made a little bit of

01:44:28.899 --> 01:44:31.180
a sarcastic joke. A man named Dana White, who

01:44:31.180 --> 01:44:33.159
you love, who I love. I assume you love him.

01:44:33.239 --> 01:44:36.319
Love that dude. I think he's in a class by him.

01:44:36.359 --> 01:44:40.369
He's probably the reason why you're here. I don't

01:44:40.369 --> 01:44:42.810
know, maybe. He's one of the big ones. He is

01:44:42.810 --> 01:44:46.289
the greatest guy. You know, I always say, nobody's

01:44:46.289 --> 01:44:48.630
indispensable, you know, everybody can be replaced.

01:44:48.829 --> 01:44:51.670
Maybe you can't be, you might not be, but they

01:44:51.670 --> 01:44:54.390
know it truly. I don't think, you know, they

01:44:54.390 --> 01:44:58.010
sold it for four billion. I said, who the hell

01:44:58.010 --> 01:45:01.789
is going to pay four billion? They made, like,

01:45:01.869 --> 01:45:04.710
a great deal. I mean, because of him. Take him

01:45:04.710 --> 01:45:05.810
out. I think it's a whole different person. No,

01:45:05.869 --> 01:45:08.069
he's the best promoter of all time. And he's

01:45:08.069 --> 01:45:10.810
also the greatest guy. He spoke at the whole

01:45:10.810 --> 01:45:12.989
thing with, you know, I had just been shot, and

01:45:12.989 --> 01:45:15.529
he got up and he spoke so better than anybody.

01:45:16.010 --> 01:45:18.250
I mean, who would be better to introduce you?

01:45:18.250 --> 01:45:20.510
I asked of all the people, and I know the biggest

01:45:20.510 --> 01:45:22.109
people in the world, and they all would have

01:45:22.109 --> 01:45:24.130
loved to have done it. I said, Dana, would you

01:45:24.130 --> 01:45:26.130
do it? You know, it was interesting. He was away.

01:45:27.270 --> 01:45:29.430
And he said to the people that, you know, one

01:45:29.430 --> 01:45:32.399
of my guys called, he said, I won't be able to

01:45:32.399 --> 01:45:35.960
do it. I just left with my wife and family. I

01:45:35.960 --> 01:45:38.319
said, we said no, yeah. I was a little surprised,

01:45:38.439 --> 01:45:40.119
even though I knew he was very far away. He was

01:45:40.119 --> 01:45:43.420
in some place, and he deserved it with his family

01:45:43.420 --> 01:45:46.920
and all that. And then I said, all right, so

01:45:46.920 --> 01:45:49.579
we'll look at who we're gonna get. And all of

01:45:49.579 --> 01:45:51.840
a sudden she comes in. Sir Dana White just said

01:45:51.840 --> 01:45:53.979
he's going to do it, and he's coming back in

01:45:53.979 --> 01:45:58.119
tonight. The guy is just an incredible guy, and

01:45:58.119 --> 01:46:02.300
he's like a tough champion. but loyal, yeah.

01:46:02.460 --> 01:46:04.260
He's gotta be one of your favorite people. He's

01:46:04.260 --> 01:46:05.420
one of my favorite people. I love him to death.

01:46:05.560 --> 01:46:08.359
I've been friends with him for 23 years. I love

01:46:08.359 --> 01:46:11.300
him to death. So, would you have, because what

01:46:11.300 --> 01:46:13.180
you're doing here is incredible. I mean, everybody

01:46:13.180 --> 01:46:15.880
tells me. All I noticed today, I'm going, you

01:46:15.880 --> 01:46:17.800
know, you're on Joe Rogan, people are telling

01:46:17.800 --> 01:46:20.140
me like, I said, I say, how the hell do you know

01:46:20.140 --> 01:46:23.140
that? But it's sort of, what you've done here

01:46:23.140 --> 01:46:25.720
is amazing. Where would you be if you didn't

01:46:25.720 --> 01:46:27.880
do the UFC stuff? Would you have this show, do

01:46:27.880 --> 01:46:29.220
you think? Yeah, I would still be doing it, for

01:46:29.220 --> 01:46:32.529
sure. Would it be at the same level? I don't

01:46:32.529 --> 01:46:34.949
know. But you would have... It's hard to know.

01:46:35.149 --> 01:46:37.390
I think, you know, one of the things that works

01:46:37.390 --> 01:46:39.550
for this show, I guess, is that I'm involved

01:46:39.550 --> 01:46:41.670
in so many different things. You know, stand

01:46:41.670 --> 01:46:44.630
-up comedy, UFC, and all the interests that I

01:46:44.630 --> 01:46:46.909
have that lead to the podcast. Will you always

01:46:46.909 --> 01:46:48.909
want to do your... First of all, you love UFC.

01:46:49.029 --> 01:46:50.670
I love it, yeah. You love the fights. I mean,

01:46:50.750 --> 01:46:52.569
I watch you. Oh, yeah. You are loving it. They

01:46:52.569 --> 01:46:54.409
could pay you nothing. It'd be very... They didn't

01:46:54.409 --> 01:46:56.289
pay me anything for the first, like, 13 shows.

01:46:56.310 --> 01:46:57.930
I did it for free. Because they were hemorrhaging

01:46:57.930 --> 01:47:01.470
money. And I became friends with Dana. And my

01:47:01.470 --> 01:47:02.850
position was, you're going to... give me the

01:47:02.850 --> 01:47:05.670
best seat in the house. I get to sit cage side

01:47:05.670 --> 01:47:08.090
for the fights. I'll do it and I wanted to help.

01:47:08.250 --> 01:47:10.329
I was like, I think these are the guys that we

01:47:10.329 --> 01:47:12.729
had always hoped for. In the early days of the

01:47:12.729 --> 01:47:15.430
sport, I started working for the company in 1997.

01:47:15.649 --> 01:47:18.170
I was the, before the UFC was purchased by Zufa,

01:47:18.210 --> 01:47:20.609
which Dana worked for. So I was a part of the

01:47:20.609 --> 01:47:23.189
previous owners. And I only did it for a couple

01:47:23.189 --> 01:47:24.689
of years. It was just too much and I was losing

01:47:24.689 --> 01:47:27.710
money. And it was banned from cable because of

01:47:27.710 --> 01:47:29.710
Budweiser and John McCain. And you could only

01:47:29.710 --> 01:47:32.770
get it on direct TV. And so then I came along

01:47:32.770 --> 01:47:34.920
and I gave him the sites. And he loves you for

01:47:34.920 --> 01:47:36.460
that. And he never forgot it. He loves you for

01:47:36.460 --> 01:47:38.279
that. He talks about it all the time. Just to

01:47:38.279 --> 01:47:41.060
interrupt you for one second. They couldn't get

01:47:41.060 --> 01:47:43.060
a site because it was too dangerous and everybody

01:47:43.060 --> 01:47:44.760
was against it and they couldn't get a license.

01:47:45.380 --> 01:47:47.899
And I gave them the first two or three sites.

01:47:48.479 --> 01:47:50.739
And they were great. And by the way, I went to

01:47:50.739 --> 01:47:53.399
the first fight. I said, I never saw anything

01:47:53.399 --> 01:47:55.779
like this. It was crazy. It was so good. Take

01:47:55.779 --> 01:47:57.319
the best fight you've ever seen. It was like

01:47:57.319 --> 01:48:00.079
that fight, right? It was so good that I gave

01:48:00.079 --> 01:48:01.899
it to him again and all of a sudden he caught

01:48:01.899 --> 01:48:05.640
on. But you know, When I wasn't in vogue, you

01:48:05.640 --> 01:48:08.239
know, I've had time you probably never had a

01:48:08.239 --> 01:48:10.340
time, but I had times when I wasn't exactly in

01:48:10.340 --> 01:48:13.199
vogue Dana they called him. He said he's the

01:48:13.199 --> 01:48:16.819
greatest guy. There's nobody like he said I'll

01:48:16.819 --> 01:48:19.520
never say anything bad about that guy because

01:48:19.520 --> 01:48:21.460
when I needed because I'm having a hard time

01:48:21.460 --> 01:48:23.279
at the beginning They almost pulled the plug

01:48:23.279 --> 01:48:26.159
a couple of times, right? He said he stood up

01:48:26.159 --> 01:48:29.020
and he gave us stuff that nobody else gave us

01:48:29.020 --> 01:48:31.920
and nobody wanted anything to do and he said

01:48:32.440 --> 01:48:35.590
I will never, and there was a time... where it

01:48:35.590 --> 01:48:37.449
would have been very popular of him to say bad

01:48:37.449 --> 01:48:40.550
stuff about me. He said the greatest stuff about

01:48:40.550 --> 01:48:42.050
me. He said, you're going to try and get me to

01:48:42.050 --> 01:48:44.329
say bad stuff about Trump? I'm never doing it.

01:48:44.630 --> 01:48:47.630
No, he's a very, very, very loyal guy. Very unusual

01:48:47.630 --> 01:48:49.810
guy. He's a fantastic guy. A perfect guy to be

01:48:49.810 --> 01:48:51.909
at the helm of something so controversial as

01:48:51.909 --> 01:48:54.829
the UFC. Less controversial now. Well, now it's

01:48:54.829 --> 01:48:57.090
huge. Yeah. Well, this was always the thing that

01:48:57.090 --> 01:48:59.930
I would hope did. I always knew that it was unbelievably

01:48:59.930 --> 01:49:01.430
entertaining, but I just didn't know if maybe

01:49:01.430 --> 01:49:04.659
I was crazy. Maybe I loved it because I've this

01:49:04.659 --> 01:49:06.779
long history of being involved in martial arts

01:49:06.779 --> 01:49:08.359
and maybe like other people who just think it's

01:49:08.359 --> 01:49:11.819
too violent, but Can boxing make it? Yeah boxing

01:49:11.819 --> 01:49:14.140
still a great sport. I love boxing, but it seems

01:49:14.140 --> 01:49:18.119
to be So unimportant now by comparison to UFC.

01:49:18.279 --> 01:49:21.319
Don't you think I think well, you know Dana is

01:49:21.319 --> 01:49:24.399
working with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia They're

01:49:24.399 --> 01:49:26.859
gonna start promoting boxing now and with Dana

01:49:26.859 --> 01:49:28.600
at the helm of it I think boxing could return

01:49:28.600 --> 01:49:31.439
because the thing is they want to make fights

01:49:32.309 --> 01:49:35.409
that maybe promoters don't want to make because

01:49:35.409 --> 01:49:37.310
they want to protect their fighter. Controversial

01:49:37.310 --> 01:49:39.449
fights where it's dangerous, like you don't know

01:49:39.449 --> 01:49:41.770
this guy could lose. And so the Saudis, they're

01:49:41.770 --> 01:49:44.270
smart. They just offer a tremendous amount of

01:49:44.270 --> 01:49:46.489
money, and they're putting together fights that

01:49:46.489 --> 01:49:48.130
no one else can put together. They're doing that

01:49:48.130 --> 01:49:50.510
in boxing. If Dane is involved, he'll probably

01:49:50.510 --> 01:49:52.970
make it good. You know the amazing thing, though,

01:49:53.050 --> 01:49:57.210
in fighting? No UFC fighter, they say, has ever

01:49:57.210 --> 01:49:59.649
died. And it looks to me much more violent than

01:49:59.649 --> 01:50:02.760
Bucks. Many boxes have died. Isn't it interesting

01:50:02.760 --> 01:50:05.000
and Dana tells me because they take so many shots

01:50:05.000 --> 01:50:07.739
to the face Yes, and there's also no other options

01:50:07.739 --> 01:50:09.659
to preserve yourself to protect yourself So if

01:50:09.659 --> 01:50:12.159
you get hit in a UFC fight, you can clinch you

01:50:12.159 --> 01:50:13.760
can try to take the fight to the ground You know

01:50:13.760 --> 01:50:15.840
options also you don't get allowed to get knocked

01:50:15.840 --> 01:50:18.079
down and then get back up when you get knocked

01:50:18.079 --> 01:50:20.800
down you're concussed and Generally, you know

01:50:20.800 --> 01:50:22.680
if a guy's really hurt they could be finished

01:50:22.680 --> 01:50:25.100
in on the ground and the fights over if it's

01:50:25.100 --> 01:50:28.520
boxing You have ten seconds to get up you get

01:50:28.520 --> 01:50:31.539
up your head kind of clear But you're still in

01:50:31.539 --> 01:50:33.779
real bad trouble and you can kind of run away

01:50:33.779 --> 01:50:35.939
and survive until the bell rings There are only

01:50:35.939 --> 01:50:37.640
three minute rounds and then you start again.

01:50:37.640 --> 01:50:39.659
So you're getting repeated punishment to the

01:50:39.659 --> 01:50:41.880
head Yeah, you know and then there's also the

01:50:41.880 --> 01:50:44.180
issue of guys weight cutting, you know Which

01:50:44.180 --> 01:50:46.180
is a problem with the UFC as well But weight

01:50:46.180 --> 01:50:48.199
cutting and boxing has led to if you look at

01:50:48.199 --> 01:50:50.380
deaths in boxing There's very few of them in

01:50:50.380 --> 01:50:52.619
the heavyweight division most of the deaths in

01:50:52.619 --> 01:50:54.239
boxing or the lighter weight divisions because

01:50:54.239 --> 01:50:57.319
when guys dehydrate themselves to Lose weight

01:50:57.319 --> 01:50:59.960
to make weight their brain is the last thing

01:50:59.960 --> 01:51:02.819
that gets rehydrated. Like, it's very difficult

01:51:02.819 --> 01:51:06.439
to completely rehydrate your brain quickly. And

01:51:06.439 --> 01:51:08.319
you only have 24 hours between the weigh -in

01:51:08.319 --> 01:51:10.300
and the fight. And it used to be the weigh -ins

01:51:10.300 --> 01:51:13.220
were the day of the fight. Like when Boom Boom

01:51:13.220 --> 01:51:15.819
Mancini had a fight with Daku Kim and killed

01:51:15.819 --> 01:51:17.680
him in the ring, which is one of the last ones

01:51:17.680 --> 01:51:20.680
on television that we've seen. That was a crazy

01:51:20.680 --> 01:51:22.739
event for people and heartbreaking. And it led

01:51:22.739 --> 01:51:24.380
to a bunch of different changes. And one of them

01:51:24.380 --> 01:51:27.479
is day before weigh -ins to allow people to rehydrate

01:51:27.479 --> 01:51:28.819
better. And the other one is they dropped it

01:51:28.819 --> 01:51:32.520
from 15 rounds down to 20. Which look they should

01:51:32.520 --> 01:51:34.600
do that again, you know, I'm not I'm not the

01:51:34.600 --> 01:51:37.579
fighter so But those 15 round fights were unbelievable.

01:51:37.579 --> 01:51:39.680
They were unbelievable. Unbelievable. Yeah. You

01:51:39.680 --> 01:51:41.979
go back to the golden age. Yeah. In terms of

01:51:41.979 --> 01:51:44.539
entertainment. Oh, yeah. Those were the championship

01:51:44.539 --> 01:51:47.500
reps. Those were the greatest fights. Those last

01:51:47.500 --> 01:51:49.380
three rounds were crazy. That was brutal. I mean,

01:51:49.399 --> 01:51:51.359
it's such a war of attrition. You know, a lot

01:51:51.359 --> 01:51:53.779
of people think even like a five round UFC fight.

01:51:54.479 --> 01:51:57.479
The UFC is five minute rounds. It's so much energy

01:51:57.479 --> 01:51:59.640
you're burning out. And those last couple of

01:51:59.640 --> 01:52:01.600
rounds, those five round fights, the fourth and

01:52:01.600 --> 01:52:04.460
the fifth round, unbelievably brutal. Who's the

01:52:04.460 --> 01:52:06.319
greatest? UFC fighter in you are you allowed

01:52:06.319 --> 01:52:08.300
to say in your opinion it's tough for you to

01:52:08.300 --> 01:52:10.140
say because you do this but who do you think

01:52:10.140 --> 01:52:12.739
is the greatest of the fighters there's there's

01:52:12.739 --> 01:52:14.779
a lot of arguments for who's the greatest of

01:52:14.779 --> 01:52:18.880
all time you know John Jones Most people would

01:52:18.880 --> 01:52:21.100
say it's the greatest of all time never lost

01:52:21.100 --> 01:52:23.659
It says there's certainly a really good argument

01:52:23.659 --> 01:52:25.399
for that. There's another argument for George

01:52:25.399 --> 01:52:29.199
St. Pierre I always leave in BJ Penn in his prime

01:52:29.199 --> 01:52:32.760
Anderson Silva and his prime You know Mighty

01:52:32.760 --> 01:52:34.760
Mouse people forget about Mighty Mouse because

01:52:34.760 --> 01:52:37.420
unfortunately, he's a smaller guy. It's 125 pounds

01:52:37.420 --> 01:52:40.680
flyweight champion He's one of the greatest expressions

01:52:40.680 --> 01:52:42.439
of mixed martial arts. I've ever seen I think

01:52:42.439 --> 01:52:46.000
to this day and can be fantastic, but if you

01:52:46.000 --> 01:52:48.319
looked at like a comp in terms of championship

01:52:48.319 --> 01:52:51.399
fights, could be retired 29 and 0, but he didn't

01:52:51.399 --> 01:52:54.359
have as many world championship fights. He might

01:52:54.359 --> 01:52:56.920
have lost to Glace and Tebow. He might have lost

01:52:56.920 --> 01:52:59.020
to him. A round. Might have lost a round. And

01:52:59.020 --> 01:53:01.020
that was a controversial fight where people think

01:53:01.020 --> 01:53:03.319
that Glace and Tebow could have even got the

01:53:03.319 --> 01:53:04.979
decision in that fight. I'd have to go back and

01:53:04.979 --> 01:53:07.680
watch it again to make a decision. They're great

01:53:07.680 --> 01:53:09.840
athletes. Oh, the best athletes in the world.

01:53:10.100 --> 01:53:13.560
And the most dangerous sport in terms of like,

01:53:14.199 --> 01:53:17.119
I always call it high level problem solving with

01:53:17.119 --> 01:53:19.920
dire physical consequences. That's what fighting

01:53:19.920 --> 01:53:22.659
is. You know, I never forget. So there was a

01:53:22.659 --> 01:53:25.579
fighter named James Tony. Oh, yeah, I love James

01:53:25.579 --> 01:53:28.220
Tony. He fought as a very light fighter and he

01:53:28.220 --> 01:53:30.020
ended up as a heavyweight. This guy went through

01:53:30.020 --> 01:53:31.779
everything. He was almost like a lightweight.

01:53:31.979 --> 01:53:34.000
He went from middleweight all the way up to heavyweight.

01:53:34.619 --> 01:53:38.640
And he was a real fighter. Oh, yeah. So James

01:53:38.640 --> 01:53:43.520
Tony. And I think it was St. George St. Pierre.

01:53:44.420 --> 01:53:47.140
I think it was him. Who did he fight? James Tony.

01:53:49.199 --> 01:53:52.199
He fought a UFC fighter. Yeah, Randy Couture

01:53:52.199 --> 01:53:55.079
fought James Tony. But that was like an easy

01:53:55.079 --> 01:53:57.020
fight. That was a very easy fight. Randy Couture

01:53:57.020 --> 01:53:59.260
just took him down and strangled him. And he's

01:53:59.260 --> 01:54:03.199
half the size. Once he got to the ankles, in

01:54:03.199 --> 01:54:05.340
fact, the announcer said, it's over. And he put

01:54:05.340 --> 01:54:05.979
him to sleep. Yeah, he ankle picked him, took

01:54:05.979 --> 01:54:07.960
him down, mounted him, strangled him. It was

01:54:07.960 --> 01:54:09.859
pretty quick. But he was talking big, because

01:54:09.859 --> 01:54:11.880
he was much bigger. He was a pretty big guy.

01:54:11.880 --> 01:54:13.279
I think James just wanted to make some money

01:54:13.279 --> 01:54:15.020
in that fight. You think so? Yeah. But I never

01:54:15.020 --> 01:54:16.520
forgot it. I don't think he knew what he was

01:54:16.520 --> 01:54:18.739
doing. It was over very quickly, and he was lying

01:54:18.739 --> 01:54:20.899
sleeping on the mat. And he was talking. He was

01:54:20.899 --> 01:54:22.760
doing the Muhammad Ali stuff, but it didn't work

01:54:22.760 --> 01:54:24.500
out. But I remember. He sold the fight. Yeah,

01:54:24.500 --> 01:54:26.579
that was Couture, probably. Yeah, it was Couture.

01:54:26.739 --> 01:54:29.319
George never fought a boxer in an MMA fight.

01:54:29.340 --> 01:54:32.020
If he did, he would kill them. Was he one of

01:54:32.020 --> 01:54:34.699
the greatest? Yes, unquestionably. That's the

01:54:34.699 --> 01:54:36.319
argument. There's like a handful of guys you

01:54:36.319 --> 01:54:37.739
can make the argument as the greatest of all

01:54:37.739 --> 01:54:39.800
time. People forget about Anderson Silva. In

01:54:39.800 --> 01:54:42.859
his prime, he was unstoppable. But that's the

01:54:42.859 --> 01:54:43.920
thing is. Anderson Silva? And then there's Fedor

01:54:43.920 --> 01:54:46.180
Emelianenko, who fought in Pride. In his prime,

01:54:46.279 --> 01:54:49.180
he was unstoppable. And you have a couple now

01:54:49.180 --> 01:54:50.920
that are pretty good. Yes. Oh, we've got so many

01:54:50.920 --> 01:54:54.220
now. Alex Pereira. There's an argument that he's

01:54:54.220 --> 01:54:55.359
the top pound -for -pound fighter in the world

01:54:55.359 --> 01:54:56.960
right now. He's looking very good, yeah. He's

01:54:56.960 --> 01:54:59.760
unbelievable. But it's like, fighters can only

01:54:59.760 --> 01:55:01.939
compete at that level for so many years. And

01:55:01.939 --> 01:55:04.319
so, in my opinion, you have to judge them at

01:55:04.319 --> 01:55:06.340
their very peak. You can't judge them when they're

01:55:06.340 --> 01:55:08.319
hanging on and still fighting. You can't judge

01:55:08.319 --> 01:55:09.960
them when they're coming up. You got to judge

01:55:09.960 --> 01:55:13.560
them in that championship peak. In that championship

01:55:13.560 --> 01:55:15.800
peak, there's a handful of guys that you would

01:55:15.800 --> 01:55:18.260
consider at the very top. If they stopped a little

01:55:18.260 --> 01:55:21.069
bit sooner. Yeah, some of them would have had

01:55:21.069 --> 01:55:22.770
you know, I mean there are a couple of that You

01:55:22.770 --> 01:55:24.850
just mentioned without mentioning names and they

01:55:24.850 --> 01:55:26.970
stopped they had the perfect they were unbelievable

01:55:26.970 --> 01:55:29.189
And then at a certain age they start getting

01:55:29.189 --> 01:55:31.770
knocked out, right? Yes, it's unfortunate But

01:55:31.770 --> 01:55:34.229
the thing is that same belief in themselves that

01:55:34.229 --> 01:55:36.250
lets them become a champion Okay, something that

01:55:36.250 --> 01:55:38.569
they can do it long past the time that they actually

01:55:38.569 --> 01:55:41.529
can well Anderson Silver was essentially unbeatable.

01:55:41.529 --> 01:55:43.689
Mm -hmm And then he lost a close one, then all

01:55:43.689 --> 01:55:44.949
of a sudden he had to... No, he got knocked out.

01:55:44.989 --> 01:55:47.149
He got knocked out by Chris Weidman. Right. He

01:55:47.149 --> 01:55:49.029
was kind of clowning in that fight, famously.

01:55:49.409 --> 01:55:51.569
And Chris Weidman had a vicious left hook, knocked

01:55:51.569 --> 01:55:53.430
him out. And then they fought a second time,

01:55:53.430 --> 01:55:55.550
and he broke his leg on Chris Weidman. Right.

01:55:55.590 --> 01:55:57.930
That's right. And after that fight, he was kind

01:55:57.930 --> 01:56:01.430
of never the same, because that leg break injury,

01:56:01.470 --> 01:56:03.649
which Conor McGregor had, there's quite a few

01:56:03.649 --> 01:56:05.130
fighters... That was a bad one. Weidman actually

01:56:05.130 --> 01:56:06.770
wound up having the same injury, ironically.

01:56:07.310 --> 01:56:08.569
There's only been like four of those. You're

01:56:08.569 --> 01:56:09.670
never the same, because you can't kick. You're

01:56:09.670 --> 01:56:12.569
never the same. Well, you can. is still kicking

01:56:12.569 --> 01:56:14.829
with that leg, you can, but psychologically,

01:56:14.970 --> 01:56:17.170
when you throw a kick and your leg snaps in half,

01:56:17.470 --> 01:56:19.949
and you're in agony for a year, right? You have

01:56:19.949 --> 01:56:22.149
to get surgery, you have to get bolts and plates

01:56:22.149 --> 01:56:24.090
to keep your leg together, and then it takes

01:56:24.090 --> 01:56:27.090
forever for it to heal. It always amazed me how

01:56:27.090 --> 01:56:29.750
the kicker, I mean, you have those cases, but

01:56:29.750 --> 01:56:32.689
the kicker will do tremendous damage to somebody's

01:56:32.689 --> 01:56:35.000
leg. But their leg doesn't seem to get damaged,

01:56:35.119 --> 01:56:37.460
isn't it? It does get damaged. It hurts. More

01:56:37.460 --> 01:56:40.000
than you think. Yeah, but your shin, your shin

01:56:40.000 --> 01:56:42.880
gets very numb after a while. And guys that are

01:56:42.880 --> 01:56:44.979
really good kickers, they're kicking the thigh

01:56:44.979 --> 01:56:46.579
and they're kicking the calf. They're kicking

01:56:46.579 --> 01:56:50.140
soft areas. And they're slamming this hard, numb

01:56:50.140 --> 01:56:54.260
shin. Their shin gets all these like micro fractures

01:56:54.260 --> 01:56:56.680
all over the shin and it calcifies. Like these

01:56:56.680 --> 01:56:58.640
guys can kick baseball bats. Ever seen them break

01:56:58.640 --> 01:57:01.520
baseball bats with their shins? It's crazy. Some

01:57:01.520 --> 01:57:03.439
guys can do two baseball. bats. Someone will

01:57:03.439 --> 01:57:04.939
hold the baseball bat and they'll just kick right

01:57:04.939 --> 01:57:05.960
through them. Because their shins almost get

01:57:05.960 --> 01:57:07.760
numb. But see, I want your enthusiasm now, right?

01:57:07.920 --> 01:57:10.460
Yeah. And it's like, that's why you're good.

01:57:11.039 --> 01:57:14.380
Nobody does this better. Without the enthusiasm.

01:57:14.890 --> 01:57:17.229
Forget it. What has to be authentic like that?

01:57:17.369 --> 01:57:19.329
I mean the only reason why I do MMA commentary

01:57:19.329 --> 01:57:22.270
is because I I'm very interested in it for real

01:57:22.270 --> 01:57:24.430
It's I'm not I don't have to manufacture it.

01:57:24.449 --> 01:57:27.270
I'm very interested So I you love going in there

01:57:27.270 --> 01:57:29.430
after the fight and they're sweating all over

01:57:29.430 --> 01:57:31.449
you. They're slapping all of you. You're beautiful.

01:57:31.850 --> 01:57:34.510
They're bleeding Does that bother you a little

01:57:34.510 --> 01:57:37.619
bit? Yeah, like Two weeks ago with a guy, I never

01:57:37.619 --> 01:57:41.800
saw him. More stuff came out of his nose. Yes,

01:57:41.939 --> 01:57:44.159
it was pretty nasty. But no, I'm very used to

01:57:44.159 --> 01:57:46.500
it. I just wanted him to be able to express himself.

01:57:46.539 --> 01:57:48.680
You've done a great job. Thank you. Thank you.

01:57:49.199 --> 01:57:55.180
So, back to you. First of all, I love this idea

01:57:55.180 --> 01:57:57.760
of you teaming up with Robert Kennedy. And I

01:57:57.760 --> 01:58:01.420
love this Make America Healthy Again. idea because

01:58:01.420 --> 01:58:04.760
there are chemicals and ingredients in our food

01:58:04.760 --> 01:58:07.239
that are illegal in other countries because they've

01:58:07.239 --> 01:58:11.140
been shown to be toxic. There's pesticides and

01:58:11.140 --> 01:58:13.720
herbicides and there's a lot of shit that's been

01:58:13.720 --> 01:58:16.100
sprayed on our food that really is unnecessary

01:58:16.100 --> 01:58:18.520
and there's a lot of health consequences that

01:58:18.520 --> 01:58:21.539
people are suffering from a lot of these things.

01:58:22.020 --> 01:58:23.840
I brought this chart for you because I had a

01:58:23.840 --> 01:58:25.800
feeling you'd be asking me. Look at this chart.

01:58:26.279 --> 01:58:28.260
These are healthier countries. Look where the

01:58:28.260 --> 01:58:31.520
United States is. I'm going to send this to RFK

01:58:31.520 --> 01:58:34.779
Jr. Look at this. So this is, well, something

01:58:34.779 --> 01:58:36.760
along the line. I was actually talking to RFK

01:58:36.760 --> 01:58:40.380
today, and he told me that more than 70 percent

01:58:40.380 --> 01:58:43.460
of young men are ineligible for the military

01:58:43.460 --> 01:58:46.470
because of their health. I could see it. A lot

01:58:46.470 --> 01:58:49.409
of it's obesity. So here's the life expectancy

01:58:49.409 --> 01:58:53.270
versus health expenditure. Same chart. Did you

01:58:53.270 --> 01:58:56.109
see that? USA. That's pretty good. Jamie's the

01:58:56.109 --> 01:58:59.210
best. He's very good. He's the best. But look

01:58:59.210 --> 01:59:01.329
at that. Look at the USA. It's not good. And

01:59:01.329 --> 01:59:04.229
that's our food. That's our diet. That's sedentary

01:59:04.229 --> 01:59:06.189
lifestyle. That's our diet. That's the chemicals

01:59:06.189 --> 01:59:09.430
we ingest. That's what that is. But RFK is going

01:59:09.430 --> 01:59:13.090
to be very... I think he's a great... I'd love

01:59:13.090 --> 01:59:15.229
the fact that you guys teamed up. Yeah. And are

01:59:15.229 --> 01:59:17.550
you guys, are you completely committed to have

01:59:17.550 --> 01:59:19.069
him a part of your administration? Oh, I am.

01:59:19.630 --> 01:59:21.229
But the only thing I want to be a little careful

01:59:21.229 --> 01:59:24.430
about with him is the environmental. Because,

01:59:24.550 --> 01:59:26.449
you know, he doesn't like oil. I love oil, I

01:59:26.449 --> 01:59:28.550
guess. I think, you know, I think it's to fire.

01:59:29.029 --> 01:59:30.449
So I'm going to sort of keep him out of a little

01:59:30.449 --> 01:59:33.609
bit. I said focus on health. You can do whatever

01:59:33.609 --> 01:59:36.109
you want. But I've got to be a little bit careful

01:59:36.109 --> 01:59:38.470
with the liquid gold, you know? I understand.

01:59:39.270 --> 01:59:40.949
But listen, there's plenty of good work that

01:59:40.949 --> 01:59:43.569
could be done if you focus on health. Here's

01:59:43.569 --> 01:59:45.329
the one that's my all -time favorite, though.

01:59:45.329 --> 01:59:47.250
What is that? See the arrow right here? That's

01:59:47.250 --> 01:59:50.369
what I love. Do you have anyone that is pressuring

01:59:50.369 --> 01:59:53.649
you to not work with him? Have there been people

01:59:53.649 --> 01:59:57.590
that are reaching RFK Junior? Yes. Yes. I would

01:59:57.590 --> 02:00:00.149
imagine. Because financially, he could put a

02:00:00.149 --> 02:00:04.319
dent. I would say that, and you know, the I think

02:00:04.319 --> 02:00:06.119
in many ways they've done a good job, in many

02:00:06.119 --> 02:00:08.239
ways they've done a bad job. But I would say

02:00:08.239 --> 02:00:12.800
that the big pharma wasn't thrilled when they

02:00:12.800 --> 02:00:15.020
heard that, you know, I have a relate. I've actually

02:00:15.020 --> 02:00:17.060
always gotten along very well with him. I've

02:00:17.060 --> 02:00:19.539
known him a long time. He's a different kind

02:00:19.539 --> 02:00:22.420
of a guy. He's very smart, great guy. And he's

02:00:22.420 --> 02:00:24.560
very sincere about this. I mean, he really is,

02:00:24.619 --> 02:00:27.939
you know, he thinks we spend a fortune on pesticides

02:00:27.939 --> 02:00:29.680
and all this stuff. And then you end up with

02:00:29.680 --> 02:00:32.039
that chart is a terrible chart, the one previous.

02:00:32.880 --> 02:00:34.899
It's such a bad chart when you look at where

02:00:34.899 --> 02:00:36.880
we are compared to other countries that don't

02:00:36.880 --> 02:00:39.279
spend ten cents. Right. So, you know, and you

02:00:39.279 --> 02:00:41.500
save a lot of money, but yeah, I've had some

02:00:41.500 --> 02:00:44.510
people that aren't exactly thrilled. You can

02:00:44.510 --> 02:00:46.750
imagine right sure it's a good question actually

02:00:46.750 --> 02:00:50.430
well certainly if there doesn't affect me some

02:00:50.430 --> 02:00:52.869
Pharmaceutical drugs that have been prescribed

02:00:52.869 --> 02:00:55.550
that have negative consequences that these people

02:00:55.550 --> 02:00:57.470
have been profiting off of and then you have

02:00:57.470 --> 02:01:00.289
a guy like RFK jr Who spends an enormous amount

02:01:00.289 --> 02:01:02.229
of time highlighting those things you could say

02:01:02.229 --> 02:01:04.130
how they've been very reluctant to have you support

02:01:04.130 --> 02:01:07.289
him I would say that's an understatement. Yeah,

02:01:07.449 --> 02:01:10.289
so what do you do to? Stop that from getting

02:01:10.289 --> 02:01:13.680
in the way well look They've come up with some

02:01:13.680 --> 02:01:15.479
amazing things. I mean, I don't know how you

02:01:15.479 --> 02:01:17.760
feel. I know you're against certain vaccines.

02:01:18.760 --> 02:01:21.680
But like the polio vaccine, people had polio.

02:01:22.039 --> 02:01:25.960
It was like a disaster. And they came up, Dr.

02:01:26.180 --> 02:01:27.979
Salk, and he came up with a vaccine, and there's

02:01:27.979 --> 02:01:30.859
no polio. Now, very interesting. There hasn't

02:01:30.859 --> 02:01:33.100
been polio, but now in the Gaza Strip. Can you

02:01:33.100 --> 02:01:35.239
believe that? Have you heard that? There's been

02:01:35.239 --> 02:01:38.359
a big strain of polio coming out in the Gaza

02:01:38.359 --> 02:01:40.659
Strip. Is it vaccine -derived polio? Because,

02:01:40.720 --> 02:01:42.819
you know, there's a strain of polio that comes

02:01:42.819 --> 02:01:44.579
directly from the vaccine, because unfortunately,

02:01:44.779 --> 02:01:46.500
sometimes when you vaccinate people for polio,

02:01:46.560 --> 02:01:47.840
you actually give them polio. See, I haven't

02:01:47.840 --> 02:01:50.760
heard of that, yeah. I mean, all I can do is

02:01:50.760 --> 02:01:53.579
I sit down and I listen to him and I'll give

02:01:53.579 --> 02:01:57.079
it a total. I would love him to be right. Because

02:01:57.079 --> 02:01:59.720
if he's right, it's a lot less expensive, generally

02:01:59.720 --> 02:02:01.739
speaking. There are two things that people point

02:02:01.739 --> 02:02:06.619
to when they point to the dangers of the pharmaceutical

02:02:06.619 --> 02:02:09.180
drug industry. One thing is when pharmaceutical

02:02:09.180 --> 02:02:11.579
drugs were allowed to advertise on television.

02:02:11.960 --> 02:02:14.300
We're only one of two countries in the world

02:02:14.300 --> 02:02:16.380
that allow pharmaceutical drugs to advertise

02:02:16.380 --> 02:02:18.779
on TV. The other one's New Zealand, but they're

02:02:18.779 --> 02:02:21.380
more restrictive than we are. But those ads,

02:02:21.380 --> 02:02:23.300
those ads, when you hear like, you know, take

02:02:23.300 --> 02:02:25.220
a certain drug. And then you hear all the consequences?

02:02:26.029 --> 02:02:28.029
is cancer, and baldness, we don't like baldness.

02:02:28.149 --> 02:02:29.829
Suicidal ideation. And this, and that, and eyesight,

02:02:29.930 --> 02:02:32.310
and you can lose your vision. And you know, I

02:02:32.310 --> 02:02:35.329
actually asked one of these guys, I would never

02:02:35.329 --> 02:02:36.930
take, I mean, because there's things that are

02:02:36.930 --> 02:02:38.670
so bad, they go through a whole list, I guess

02:02:38.670 --> 02:02:42.010
they save some liability, but man, I said, does

02:02:42.010 --> 02:02:44.850
that affect the purchase? And they say it really

02:02:44.850 --> 02:02:48.409
does. When there's something you have and you

02:02:48.409 --> 02:02:50.949
read, and then they go through the list of -

02:02:50.949 --> 02:02:53.090
Side effects. The potential side, it's not even

02:02:53.090 --> 02:02:56.579
the potential side effects. Right. A lot of people

02:02:56.579 --> 02:02:59.779
are just, I ask that question, people hear that.

02:03:00.199 --> 02:03:02.680
When I hear it, I'm gonna take a pass that says,

02:03:03.300 --> 02:03:06.000
may affect your vision, may cause blindness,

02:03:06.199 --> 02:03:08.800
may this. Yes. Well, I know you're aware of Cali

02:03:08.800 --> 02:03:11.560
and KC Means, right? Yes. Well, one of the things

02:03:11.560 --> 02:03:13.920
that they pointed out, and this is a very important

02:03:13.920 --> 02:03:16.140
thing for people to understand, is what a lot

02:03:16.140 --> 02:03:21.960
of these drugs do is they act to... to somehow

02:03:21.960 --> 02:03:24.340
or another mitigate the effects of poor metabolic

02:03:24.340 --> 02:03:27.600
health. But most of these problems that these

02:03:27.600 --> 02:03:30.000
people are suffering from wouldn't exist if we

02:03:30.000 --> 02:03:32.420
put an emphasis on metabolic health. If people

02:03:32.420 --> 02:03:34.720
got healthier, they started eating nutritious

02:03:34.720 --> 02:03:38.060
food and taking vitamins, a whole host of these

02:03:38.060 --> 02:03:40.579
problems that people are having would go away.

02:03:40.960 --> 02:03:42.819
And the problem with that from the pharmaceutical

02:03:42.819 --> 02:03:44.800
drug standpoint is they wouldn't be able to sell

02:03:44.800 --> 02:03:47.579
drugs to these people. And this is a fear that

02:03:47.579 --> 02:03:48.579
a lot of people have. And the pesticides and

02:03:48.579 --> 02:03:51.270
things like that on the plants. What do you think

02:03:51.270 --> 02:03:53.989
of that? It's terrible. Well, I think regenerative

02:03:53.989 --> 02:03:56.289
agriculture, unfortunately, is very difficult

02:03:56.289 --> 02:03:58.069
to scale to a point where you got a jack -in

02:03:58.069 --> 02:03:59.909
-the -box on every corner. If everybody wants

02:03:59.909 --> 02:04:02.289
food and we have food deserts and we have places

02:04:02.289 --> 02:04:04.470
like Los Angeles where no one's growing anything

02:04:04.470 --> 02:04:06.930
and everything has to be shipped in, it's very

02:04:06.930 --> 02:04:09.750
difficult to feed that many people. We've created

02:04:09.750 --> 02:04:12.529
this incredible society where we have these enormous

02:04:12.529 --> 02:04:15.409
cities, but it's in It's very difficult to get

02:04:15.409 --> 02:04:17.489
food to these people. And then for a lot of these

02:04:17.489 --> 02:04:20.090
people in low income areas, the only food that's

02:04:20.090 --> 02:04:22.569
available is cheap, unhealthy food. That's right.

02:04:23.399 --> 02:04:27.359
We could fix that. If we could send $175 billion

02:04:27.359 --> 02:04:30.260
to Ukraine, we could do something to fix a lot

02:04:30.260 --> 02:04:31.899
of the health problems that the United States

02:04:31.899 --> 02:04:35.779
has. And I think it would help us as a nation

02:04:35.779 --> 02:04:39.060
overall. If you just put it out there that, hey,

02:04:39.060 --> 02:04:41.439
as a nation, we're going to make a concerted

02:04:41.439 --> 02:04:43.460
effort to get people healthier. Just put it out

02:04:43.460 --> 02:04:45.420
there, and people start making better choices.

02:04:45.600 --> 02:04:47.640
Well, when you look at that chart, I was... It's

02:04:47.640 --> 02:04:49.619
crazy. They just gave me that chart because they

02:04:49.619 --> 02:04:51.720
said you made... want to discuss this topic,

02:04:51.760 --> 02:04:54.199
which I know is a big topic for you. And when

02:04:54.199 --> 02:04:56.439
I looked at that chart and I looked at how unhealthy

02:04:56.439 --> 02:04:58.720
we are as a nation, that's a pretty big thing.

02:04:58.760 --> 02:05:03.079
How are you so healthy? Is it golf? No, it's

02:05:03.079 --> 02:05:04.939
genetics, I believe. You know, I'm a big believer.

02:05:04.960 --> 02:05:06.819
Genetics is a big factor. I really am. I mean,

02:05:06.939 --> 02:05:11.180
my father was... Unfortunately, it is a big factor

02:05:11.180 --> 02:05:13.220
for health. Some people are just way more robust.

02:05:13.380 --> 02:05:15.720
But you do play golf a lot, and that is exercise.

02:05:15.720 --> 02:05:19.149
Both of my parents. For me, it's good. Fresh

02:05:19.149 --> 02:05:23.590
air, exercise. Even mentally, you're focused

02:05:23.590 --> 02:05:25.750
on that three -footer and for some, for a couple

02:05:25.750 --> 02:05:28.470
of hours you're not. And I go quick, I play fast,

02:05:28.550 --> 02:05:31.029
real fast and I'm in, I'm out. But you know,

02:05:31.130 --> 02:05:33.590
it gives me, I was never one that could like

02:05:33.590 --> 02:05:35.970
run on a treadmill. I just, and I can do it,

02:05:35.970 --> 02:05:38.689
you know, when passing a physical, they asked

02:05:38.689 --> 02:05:40.890
me to run on a treadmill and then they make it

02:05:40.890 --> 02:05:44.310
steeper and steeper and steeper. And the doctor

02:05:44.310 --> 02:05:47.660
said, it was at Walter Reed, they said, It's

02:05:47.660 --> 02:05:50.100
unbelievable. I'm telling you, I felt I could

02:05:50.100 --> 02:05:53.380
have gone all day. But I said, Doc, I can do

02:05:53.380 --> 02:05:56.840
this all day long. I have no problem. But it's

02:05:56.840 --> 02:05:58.960
boring to me. Do you understand? It's just boring.

02:05:59.000 --> 02:06:01.640
Golf's exciting. But I did it for so long, they

02:06:01.640 --> 02:06:04.079
couldn't believe it that I did it. And I never,

02:06:04.239 --> 02:06:05.960
you know, I don't do it. I don't do it. You know,

02:06:05.960 --> 02:06:07.439
I have friends that are running this stuff all

02:06:07.439 --> 02:06:10.239
day long. But I had no problem doing it. But

02:06:10.239 --> 02:06:12.640
it's really boring. So with golf or something,

02:06:12.720 --> 02:06:15.869
you know, or tennis or whatever. Right. Golf,

02:06:15.869 --> 02:06:18.270
as you get older, there's something really good

02:06:18.270 --> 02:06:20.409
about it. And you have competition with your

02:06:20.409 --> 02:06:22.409
friends. Competition, concentration, focus. And

02:06:22.409 --> 02:06:24.729
it's a great handicap sport. And it's also a

02:06:24.729 --> 02:06:27.550
thing, I think, that it cleans your mind. Because

02:06:27.550 --> 02:06:30.050
when you're looking at a shot, that's all you

02:06:30.050 --> 02:06:32.090
can think of when you're executing. It gives

02:06:32.090 --> 02:06:33.630
you a couple of hours. You know, it's interesting.

02:06:33.729 --> 02:06:36.149
Like with tennis, if you're much better than

02:06:36.149 --> 02:06:38.369
somebody, you can't really play with somebody.

02:06:38.390 --> 02:06:40.329
You know, it doesn't work. You can give them

02:06:40.329 --> 02:06:42.670
sort of the equivalent of strokes, right? But

02:06:42.670 --> 02:06:44.840
it's not the same. With golf, you can play with

02:06:44.840 --> 02:06:46.899
a lousy guy and give him a stroke a hole or two

02:06:46.899 --> 02:06:48.159
strokes a hole or something. You know, it's a

02:06:48.159 --> 02:06:50.380
good handicapping sport. Right. But it gives

02:06:50.380 --> 02:06:52.779
me a little exercise. But I haven't played in

02:06:52.779 --> 02:06:55.920
a long time. I won a lot. I won 32 club championships.

02:06:56.100 --> 02:06:59.439
Didn't you play right after you got shot? No.

02:06:59.859 --> 02:07:03.920
What I did is I played with Bryson DeChambeau.

02:07:04.199 --> 02:07:07.359
Do you know Bryson? Yes. The pro. He's a great

02:07:07.359 --> 02:07:10.659
player. We played it was a certain thing that

02:07:10.659 --> 02:07:13.100
we played I guess called breaking 50 or something

02:07:13.100 --> 02:07:15.800
50 would play for a certain T and if you can

02:07:15.800 --> 02:07:19.180
break 50 and it got tremendous ratings sort of

02:07:19.180 --> 02:07:21.920
like a Crazy thing it got to me. He's a great

02:07:21.920 --> 02:07:23.939
guy. He's a great couple of days after you got

02:07:23.939 --> 02:07:29.960
shot I don't know. I know I think I did. Yeah,

02:07:30.039 --> 02:07:34.760
maybe I did but I You know, I view it very interestingly.

02:07:34.760 --> 02:07:38.279
I'm running for president of the United States.

02:07:38.479 --> 02:07:40.300
To me, it's such a big deal. It's so important.

02:07:41.220 --> 02:07:42.840
So I've got now. It's the biggest deal in the

02:07:42.840 --> 02:07:44.979
free world. It's a hundred times bigger than

02:07:44.979 --> 02:07:48.119
the Super Bowl and it's one person. Yeah. So

02:07:48.119 --> 02:07:52.960
you're down to two people and we start off at

02:07:52.960 --> 02:07:55.899
nine billion because you have nine nine billion

02:07:55.899 --> 02:07:57.739
they say in the world. Who knows what that number

02:07:57.739 --> 02:08:00.119
is. But you get down to three hundred and fifty

02:08:00.119 --> 02:08:02.199
million. Sadly, we have no idea what we have

02:08:02.199 --> 02:08:04.060
in this country. But let's assume it's three

02:08:04.060 --> 02:08:06.770
twenty five, three fifty. And you're down to

02:08:06.770 --> 02:08:08.869
two people. It's the biggest thing in the world.

02:08:09.869 --> 02:08:11.949
And when I heard she took off yesterday and she

02:08:11.949 --> 02:08:13.710
took off the day before, and she's going to take

02:08:13.710 --> 02:08:16.710
off tomorrow or the next day, I haven't taken

02:08:16.710 --> 02:08:20.989
a day off in 56 days. That's a long time. I haven't

02:08:20.989 --> 02:08:25.130
taken one day off. I don't want to plug up. This

02:08:25.130 --> 02:08:28.630
is too exciting. Golf is great, but this is too

02:08:28.630 --> 02:08:30.609
exciting. This is more exciting than anything

02:08:30.609 --> 02:08:34.210
you can do. Also, it's the home stretch. It's

02:08:34.210 --> 02:08:36.569
the home stretch. Who would take a day off? So

02:08:36.569 --> 02:08:41.569
we have 11 days left now. And think of it. So

02:08:41.569 --> 02:08:44.470
I think I've gone 54, 55 days in a row. No days

02:08:44.470 --> 02:08:47.289
off. And I make speeches oftentimes. You know,

02:08:47.329 --> 02:08:49.649
sometimes not, but I make speeches. And when

02:08:49.649 --> 02:08:52.670
you make a speech, and my speeches last a long

02:08:52.670 --> 02:08:54.149
time because of the weave, you know, I mean,

02:08:54.229 --> 02:08:56.289
I weave stories into it. And if you don't, if

02:08:56.289 --> 02:08:58.149
you just read a teleprompter, nobody's going

02:08:58.149 --> 02:09:00.659
to... be very exciting, you gotta weave it out.

02:09:01.699 --> 02:09:03.699
But as you say, you always have to get right

02:09:03.699 --> 02:09:06.039
back to it, otherwise it's no good. But the weave

02:09:06.039 --> 02:09:10.739
is very important, very few weavers around. But

02:09:10.739 --> 02:09:14.920
it's a big strain on your, it's a lot of work,

02:09:15.140 --> 02:09:17.699
it's a lot of work. You gotta be careful with

02:09:17.699 --> 02:09:19.579
the voice, you can lose that voice, if voice

02:09:19.579 --> 02:09:22.779
wasn't designed. I said today, so I made a big

02:09:22.779 --> 02:09:27.409
one last night, I was in Las Vegas. Big one the

02:09:27.409 --> 02:09:30.810
night before in Arizona Big one. I mean, they're

02:09:30.810 --> 02:09:33.890
all big We have the there's never been anything

02:09:33.890 --> 02:09:36.930
like it in terms of crowd never been close Never

02:09:36.930 --> 02:09:39.970
been close. They say he talks about crowd says,

02:09:40.270 --> 02:09:43.569
you know, it's very interesting So we get crowds

02:09:43.569 --> 02:09:48.619
that are really big and I say, you know I've

02:09:48.619 --> 02:09:50.399
never had a story because I don't get good press.

02:09:50.399 --> 02:09:52.100
I don't think I've had a good story in years

02:09:52.100 --> 02:09:53.880
I really don't I don't I swear I don't think

02:09:53.880 --> 02:09:55.640
I you were talking about it a little bit with

02:09:55.640 --> 02:09:59.279
Oprah Everybody loved me. I don't think I became

02:09:59.279 --> 02:10:02.699
president of the United States. I Did great the

02:10:02.699 --> 02:10:04.960
second time I did much better I I don't want

02:10:04.960 --> 02:10:08.720
to get you in in any disputes But I won that

02:10:08.720 --> 02:10:11.119
second election so easy and not just because

02:10:11.119 --> 02:10:13.260
let me let me wait that let's I want to talk

02:10:13.260 --> 02:10:16.840
to you I did that And now I've gotten the nomination

02:10:16.840 --> 02:10:19.340
again. And don't forget, to get these nominations,

02:10:19.420 --> 02:10:21.779
you go against very smart people. Ron DeSantis

02:10:21.779 --> 02:10:25.380
was hot. Had to go through him. Nikki Haley was

02:10:25.380 --> 02:10:28.619
hot. Had to go through her. Went through everybody.

02:10:29.199 --> 02:10:31.420
Record time, right? Record time. I got three

02:10:31.420 --> 02:10:35.840
nominations in a row. Won the first time. Did

02:10:35.840 --> 02:10:37.960
much better the second time. You know, I get

02:10:37.960 --> 02:10:40.699
millions of votes more the second time. And now

02:10:40.699 --> 02:10:43.680
I'm doing it a third time. And it's an incredible

02:10:43.680 --> 02:10:47.819
thing. I never get a good story. I only get bad

02:10:47.819 --> 02:10:50.500
press. Now I will say this. It's a lot easier

02:10:50.500 --> 02:10:53.319
if you're a Democrat. If I were a Democrat, you'd

02:10:53.319 --> 02:10:54.659
get a lot of positive press. I would get a lot

02:10:54.659 --> 02:10:56.680
of positive press. Yeah. No, it's a it's a creepy,

02:10:56.819 --> 02:11:00.100
corrupt business. And the media, to a large extent,

02:11:00.319 --> 02:11:02.239
acts as a propaganda arm for the Democratic Party.

02:11:02.239 --> 02:11:04.500
It's not it's not even believable. Yeah, it's

02:11:04.500 --> 02:11:07.500
believe it's bizarre to watch. And most, you

02:11:07.500 --> 02:11:09.680
know, most young people, I think, are aware of

02:11:09.680 --> 02:11:12.000
it. I think most boomers still, unfortunately,

02:11:12.180 --> 02:11:15.039
read the newspapers and believe in CNN. But it's

02:11:15.039 --> 02:11:18.880
getting younger. Yes. It's getting for us for

02:11:18.880 --> 02:11:21.210
a conservative. And you know, I don't even, I

02:11:21.210 --> 02:11:22.250
consider myself a person. But you know why that

02:11:22.250 --> 02:11:23.770
is? It's the internet. It's because the internet's

02:11:23.770 --> 02:11:25.449
giving people information that they're not getting

02:11:25.449 --> 02:11:28.149
from anywhere else. And they like the very fine

02:11:28.149 --> 02:11:30.909
people hoax, the Russiagate hoax, all these different

02:11:30.909 --> 02:11:32.670
things that they've done, they tried to pin on

02:11:32.670 --> 02:11:35.710
you, that's like, it's a clear distortion of

02:11:35.710 --> 02:11:38.109
what you actually said. The bloodbath hoax. Yes.

02:11:38.109 --> 02:11:42.109
I was talking about the auto industry. It's a

02:11:42.109 --> 02:11:46.449
bloodbath because Japan and China taking our

02:11:46.449 --> 02:11:49.149
order and I said it's a bloodbath they said oh

02:11:49.149 --> 02:11:54.770
he used the word bloodbath terrible thing they

02:11:54.770 --> 02:11:57.810
do but that's the problem with propagandists

02:11:57.810 --> 02:12:00.050
because they take things out of context and ultimately

02:12:00.050 --> 02:12:01.970
what they do is they diminish their own credibility

02:12:01.970 --> 02:12:03.909
because people don't want to listen to them anymore

02:12:03.909 --> 02:12:05.949
because they see that they've done that and they

02:12:05.949 --> 02:12:08.430
recognize what's going on and they feel insulted

02:12:08.430 --> 02:12:11.250
their intelligence well look at the ratings yeah

02:12:11.250 --> 02:12:14.199
you know shows like yours So I have a son who's

02:12:14.199 --> 02:12:19.020
very smart and tall, Baron, right? And he knows

02:12:19.020 --> 02:12:21.520
all about you. He knows about guys I never heard

02:12:21.520 --> 02:12:24.239
of. He said, Dad, you don't know how big they

02:12:24.239 --> 02:12:26.020
are. They're big. You know, he told me how big.

02:12:26.119 --> 02:12:29.460
I said, who the hell is he? Like Ross. He said,

02:12:29.699 --> 02:12:32.140
Dad, he's a great guy. I mean, guys that are

02:12:32.140 --> 02:12:34.970
doing. It's a whole new world out there. It's

02:12:34.970 --> 02:12:37.609
a different world. You know, I'm on TikTok now.

02:12:37.810 --> 02:12:39.970
Congratulations. And I've done really well. No,

02:12:40.029 --> 02:12:42.310
but you know the crazy. Have you seen the numbers?

02:12:43.210 --> 02:12:46.210
Billions, like billions of hits. It's crazy.

02:12:46.210 --> 02:12:48.390
I'm sure. TikTok's a wild application. And I've

02:12:48.390 --> 02:12:52.470
gone up 30 points. A Republican is always down

02:12:52.470 --> 02:12:56.920
30 with young people. I'm plus 30. And I'm on

02:12:56.920 --> 02:12:59.640
TikTok. It's had a huge impact. Young people

02:12:59.640 --> 02:13:02.619
are rejecting a lot of this woke bullshit. Young

02:13:02.619 --> 02:13:05.239
people are tired of being yelled at and scolded.

02:13:05.659 --> 02:13:07.359
They're tired of these people that they think

02:13:07.359 --> 02:13:09.840
are mentally ill, telling them what the moral

02:13:09.840 --> 02:13:11.760
standards of society should be today. And people

02:13:11.760 --> 02:13:14.460
are upset. There's a big difference now, but

02:13:14.460 --> 02:13:17.590
even in just a couple of years. Was shaking hands

02:13:17.590 --> 02:13:19.989
with people they're young people the rebels are

02:13:19.989 --> 02:13:22.390
Republicans now. They're like you want to be

02:13:22.390 --> 02:13:24.430
a rebel You want to be punk rock? You want to

02:13:24.430 --> 02:13:27.029
like buck the system? You're a conservative now?

02:13:27.029 --> 02:13:29.390
That's that's how crazy and then the liberals

02:13:29.390 --> 02:13:35.329
are now pro Pro silencing criticism. They're

02:13:35.329 --> 02:13:38.869
they're pro Censorship online they're talking

02:13:38.869 --> 02:13:41.989
about regulating free speech and they're regulating

02:13:41.989 --> 02:13:44.850
the First Amendment. It's bananas to watch. Joe,

02:13:45.010 --> 02:13:48.010
they come after their political opponent. I got

02:13:48.010 --> 02:13:50.890
more guys. I always say, you know, I kid, but

02:13:50.890 --> 02:13:54.029
I'm not kidding. I've been investigated more

02:13:54.029 --> 02:13:56.130
than Alphonse Capone. He was the meanest of them

02:13:56.130 --> 02:13:58.029
all. He'd kill you in two seconds if he didn't

02:13:58.029 --> 02:14:00.710
like you, right? I've been under investigation

02:14:00.710 --> 02:14:04.170
more than Alphonse Capone, only because it's

02:14:04.170 --> 02:14:06.430
political opponent stuff. And I've won. I won

02:14:06.430 --> 02:14:08.930
the big case in Florida. I'm winning the other

02:14:08.930 --> 02:14:11.779
stuff. You win, but you know what they did. They

02:14:11.779 --> 02:14:13.899
did something that's only done in third world

02:14:13.899 --> 02:14:16.220
countries They came after their political opponent.

02:14:16.359 --> 02:14:18.340
Yeah, I could have put crooked Hillary in jail

02:14:18.340 --> 02:14:20.579
Well, not only that but they're never weaponizing

02:14:20.579 --> 02:14:22.539
it by saying that that's what you were going

02:14:22.539 --> 02:14:25.979
to do once you get an office Ignoring what they're

02:14:25.979 --> 02:14:28.899
doing right now. It's crazy. I heard it somebody

02:14:28.899 --> 02:14:31.819
was defending me to they says no, that's They

02:14:31.819 --> 02:14:33.640
say that's what you're doing to him. They're

02:14:33.640 --> 02:14:36.760
going he's gonna put us in jail. He's gonna invest

02:14:37.310 --> 02:14:38.989
It's what you're doing. That's what you're doing

02:14:38.989 --> 02:14:41.689
to him. Yeah. A lot of people say, will you do

02:14:41.689 --> 02:14:44.670
that? Will you do that to him? To them, if you

02:14:44.670 --> 02:14:48.649
win. The presidency has tremendous power. I could

02:14:48.649 --> 02:14:50.590
have put Crooked Hillary in jail. I respected

02:14:50.590 --> 02:14:52.689
that you didn't, because what you said was it

02:14:52.689 --> 02:14:54.949
would be bad for the country. No, I couldn't

02:14:54.949 --> 02:14:57.310
even imagine you have, first of all, Secretary

02:14:57.310 --> 02:14:59.390
of State, but more importantly, the wife of the

02:14:59.390 --> 02:15:02.880
President of the United States of America. going

02:15:02.880 --> 02:15:05.819
into jail and if you ever saw when I'd say something

02:15:05.819 --> 02:15:08.260
about her they're all say I didn't say it I never

02:15:08.260 --> 02:15:10.779
said it they say lock her up lock her and I'd

02:15:10.779 --> 02:15:13.220
always go take it easy just relax we're gonna

02:15:13.220 --> 02:15:15.579
win this thing take it easy take it easy and

02:15:15.579 --> 02:15:17.800
I'm telling you I kept it down just the opposite

02:15:17.800 --> 02:15:19.819
now they say oh Trump wanted to put her in jail

02:15:19.819 --> 02:15:23.819
no I saved her from going to jail they had more

02:15:23.819 --> 02:15:26.979
stuff on her and Comey had it because when Comey

02:15:26.979 --> 02:15:29.800
got up And he stupidly, because he's a stupid

02:15:29.800 --> 02:15:32.699
guy too, he goes, he's a stupid son of a bitch.

02:15:33.220 --> 02:15:36.600
He got up, Joe, he got up, and instead of saying

02:15:36.600 --> 02:15:39.800
she's innocent of all charges, he went over each

02:15:39.800 --> 02:15:43.899
charge. And each charge was a killer. And he'd

02:15:43.899 --> 02:15:48.000
go, and as far as her doing this, she's innocent.

02:15:48.060 --> 02:15:51.539
And this, and then she's only an unfair prosecutor.

02:15:52.100 --> 02:15:55.380
But every time you heard these charges, they

02:15:55.380 --> 02:15:59.260
sounded so bad. They were bad. And all it was

02:15:59.260 --> 02:16:01.600
is he wanted more airtime. If he would have gone

02:16:01.600 --> 02:16:06.539
up and said, I've thoroughly investigated Hillary

02:16:06.539 --> 02:16:09.199
Clinton, and she's done nothing that we feel

02:16:09.199 --> 02:16:12.260
is wrong, it would have ended. Instead, he wanted

02:16:12.260 --> 02:16:15.699
to be up there, because he's a PR hound. He's

02:16:15.699 --> 02:16:18.199
a hog. And he starts going through the... And

02:16:18.199 --> 02:16:20.779
you know what he had? They had a huge problem,

02:16:20.920 --> 02:16:25.079
because FBI is great. The people there. Not the...

02:16:24.590 --> 02:16:27.130
top people, the people, the real people, the

02:16:27.130 --> 02:16:28.789
people that work there. It's like the real generals

02:16:28.789 --> 02:16:31.130
that I told you about that defeated ISIS in record

02:16:31.130 --> 02:16:34.489
time. The FBI guys are great. I'll bet you I'd

02:16:34.489 --> 02:16:39.090
be at 95 % in the FBI. I bet that's right. Underneath.

02:16:39.250 --> 02:16:41.510
Yeah. And so here's the thing. So he goes with

02:16:41.510 --> 02:16:44.299
Hillary, and instead of just saying, He goes

02:16:44.299 --> 02:16:48.020
through each charge, and even I was saying, man,

02:16:48.159 --> 02:16:50.399
those are bad charges. Sounds terrible, because

02:16:50.399 --> 02:16:52.340
it's associating her with those charges. Don't

02:16:52.340 --> 02:16:54.559
forget, this is before I got there. Now, he was

02:16:54.559 --> 02:16:57.020
trying to protect her, but he did her a great

02:16:57.020 --> 02:17:00.219
disservice. because he wanted attention. So I

02:17:00.219 --> 02:17:02.879
want to talk about 2020, because you said over

02:17:02.879 --> 02:17:05.620
and over again that you were robbed in 2020.

02:17:05.860 --> 02:17:08.500
Yeah, totally. How do you think you were robbed?

02:17:08.780 --> 02:17:11.520
Everybody always cuts you off. Well, they not

02:17:11.520 --> 02:17:13.879
only cut you off. Well, what I'd rather do is

02:17:13.879 --> 02:17:15.940
we'll do it another time. And I would bring in

02:17:15.940 --> 02:17:18.959
papers that you would not believe. So many different

02:17:18.959 --> 02:17:23.370
papers. That election was so crooked. It was

02:17:23.370 --> 02:17:25.489
the most crooked election. Okay, but give me

02:17:25.489 --> 02:17:27.549
some examples of how well, let's start Let's

02:17:27.549 --> 02:17:30.030
start the top and the easy ones. Okay, they were

02:17:30.030 --> 02:17:33.450
supposed to get Legislative approval to do the

02:17:33.450 --> 02:17:35.709
things they did and they didn't get it in many

02:17:35.709 --> 02:17:38.870
cases. They didn't get it. What things? anything

02:17:38.870 --> 02:17:43.069
like for extensions of the voting for for voting

02:17:43.069 --> 02:17:46.579
earlier for this all different things By law,

02:17:46.719 --> 02:17:49.200
they had to get legislative approvals. You don't

02:17:49.200 --> 02:17:51.739
have to go any further than that. If you take

02:17:51.739 --> 02:17:56.299
a look at Wisconsin, they virtually admitted

02:17:56.299 --> 02:17:59.959
that the election was rigged, robbed, and stolen.

02:18:00.719 --> 02:18:04.780
They wouldn't give access in certain areas to

02:18:04.780 --> 02:18:07.379
the ballots because the ballots weren't signed.

02:18:07.860 --> 02:18:11.049
They weren't originals. We could go into this

02:18:11.049 --> 02:18:12.889
stuff. We could go into the ballots, or we could

02:18:12.889 --> 02:18:14.750
go into the overall. I'll give you another one.

02:18:14.770 --> 02:18:19.610
Are you going to present this ever? Like, do

02:18:19.610 --> 02:18:22.010
you think... Let me just give you one more before.

02:18:23.350 --> 02:18:27.129
Okay, go ahead. 51 intelligence agents come up

02:18:27.129 --> 02:18:31.530
that the laptop was from Russia. It turned out

02:18:31.530 --> 02:18:34.590
to be totally false. 51 former intelligence agents,

02:18:34.649 --> 02:18:36.889
right? They say that made... I don't believe

02:18:36.889 --> 02:18:39.659
it's this much, but it doesn't matter. Won by

02:18:39.659 --> 02:18:43.120
like I lost by like I didn't lose but they say

02:18:43.120 --> 02:18:47.059
I lost Joe they say I lost by 22 ,000 votes That's

02:18:47.059 --> 02:18:50.959
like one tenth of 1 % less than that. It's a

02:18:50.959 --> 02:18:55.219
tiny little thing 22 ,000 votes spread over that's

02:18:55.219 --> 02:19:00.040
spread over this this period so 51 intelligence

02:19:00.040 --> 02:19:03.299
agents lied they lied they lied they knew it

02:19:03.299 --> 02:19:06.479
was It was Hunter's. It was from his bed. It

02:19:06.479 --> 02:19:09.340
was Hunter's laptop. They said it was created

02:19:09.340 --> 02:19:12.020
by Russia. Russia, Russia, Russia. It was the

02:19:12.020 --> 02:19:14.799
Russia hoax. The Russia hoax was a big hoax.

02:19:15.139 --> 02:19:17.559
It was all a big hoax. Well, that's clear. That's

02:19:17.559 --> 02:19:18.780
one example. But that is a good example. But

02:19:18.780 --> 02:19:21.860
that's a big example. They say it made a 17 -point

02:19:21.860 --> 02:19:24.319
difference. That's a big example. But that's

02:19:24.319 --> 02:19:27.459
only one. And you could go into the ballots where

02:19:27.459 --> 02:19:29.520
they wouldn't give you access to the ballots.

02:19:29.840 --> 02:19:32.479
You could go into the ballot harvesting. You

02:19:32.479 --> 02:19:36.559
could go into $500 million for the lock boxes.

02:19:36.819 --> 02:19:38.280
But just in terms of narrative, so there's two

02:19:38.280 --> 02:19:40.500
things, right? There's the Russia hoax. There's

02:19:40.500 --> 02:19:42.739
the collusion with Russia that was never proven,

02:19:42.959 --> 02:19:44.899
right? That's one. No, it's proven it didn't

02:19:44.899 --> 02:19:48.100
happen. Right, right. But they talked about it

02:19:48.100 --> 02:19:49.620
on television. But it took two and a half years

02:19:49.620 --> 02:19:52.120
to prove. But not only that, but it was a constant

02:19:52.120 --> 02:19:54.610
narrative on television. So that's a constant

02:19:54.610 --> 02:19:56.569
narrative that gets into people's minds, especially

02:19:56.569 --> 02:19:58.709
low information people that just watch the news,

02:19:59.030 --> 02:20:00.590
that you're in collusion with Russia. So that's

02:20:00.590 --> 02:20:02.450
one. So that changes the narrative. And then

02:20:02.450 --> 02:20:05.790
you have the 51 former intelligence agents that

02:20:05.790 --> 02:20:09.409
work with the original Twitter and get them to

02:20:09.409 --> 02:20:11.790
remove links. You can't share it on DMs. You

02:20:11.790 --> 02:20:14.729
cannot share that story. They swept that story

02:20:14.729 --> 02:20:16.809
because they said it was Russian disinformation,

02:20:16.850 --> 02:20:20.629
even though they knew it was not. So that's two

02:20:20.629 --> 02:20:23.549
examples that are real examples. Now, anyone

02:20:23.549 --> 02:20:27.290
who considers himself a legitimate objective

02:20:27.290 --> 02:20:29.889
observer of American politics, if you really

02:20:29.889 --> 02:20:33.389
want the best person to win, you would want people

02:20:33.389 --> 02:20:36.500
to not lie. And the only reason why they got

02:20:36.500 --> 02:20:38.799
away with this lie was because they continually

02:20:38.799 --> 02:20:41.920
labeled you as this horrible threat to democracy

02:20:41.920 --> 02:20:44.079
and Hitler. They kept saying you're going to

02:20:44.079 --> 02:20:46.760
be a dictator, ignoring the fact that you weren't

02:20:46.760 --> 02:20:49.459
a dictator for the four years when you were actually

02:20:49.459 --> 02:20:51.420
the president. I was actually the opposite of

02:20:51.420 --> 02:20:54.159
a dictator. I was a very straight guy. But look,

02:20:54.579 --> 02:20:56.559
those three things, you take those three things,

02:20:56.920 --> 02:20:59.420
each one of them by themselves causes the result

02:20:59.420 --> 02:21:01.719
to be different. It does. And then you can go

02:21:01.719 --> 02:21:04.780
into 100 other things. There are so many. We

02:21:04.780 --> 02:21:07.399
can't have corrupt elections and we can't have

02:21:07.399 --> 02:21:10.739
open borders. You need to have a country. You

02:21:10.739 --> 02:21:14.059
need borders. You need fair elections. And I'll

02:21:14.059 --> 02:21:16.180
tell you the other thing you need is you need

02:21:16.180 --> 02:21:18.979
a free and fair press. One of the things I like

02:21:18.979 --> 02:21:21.239
about doing a show like this. Can you imagine

02:21:21.239 --> 02:21:24.049
Kamala doing this show? I could imagine her doing

02:21:24.049 --> 02:21:26.590
the show. She'd be laying on the floor. She was

02:21:26.590 --> 02:21:28.670
supposed to do it, and she might still do it,

02:21:28.690 --> 02:21:30.069
and I hope she does. She's not going to do it.

02:21:30.069 --> 02:21:32.030
I will talk to her like a human being. I would

02:21:32.030 --> 02:21:32.549
try to have a conversation with her. If she did

02:21:32.549 --> 02:21:35.850
this kind of an interview with you, I hope she

02:21:35.850 --> 02:21:38.430
does, because it would be a mess. She'd be laying

02:21:38.430 --> 02:21:40.969
on the floor, comatose. She'd be saying, call

02:21:40.969 --> 02:21:43.510
in the medics. I think we'd have a fine conversation.

02:21:43.670 --> 02:21:45.389
I think I'd be able to talk to her. I wouldn't

02:21:45.389 --> 02:21:47.149
try to interview her. I'd just try to have a

02:21:47.149 --> 02:21:48.870
conversation with her, and hopefully get to know

02:21:48.870 --> 02:21:51.319
her as a human being. That was my goal. having

02:21:51.319 --> 02:21:53.520
her on trying to get her to express herself just

02:21:53.520 --> 02:21:55.959
as I don't know if these I don't think these

02:21:55.959 --> 02:21:59.000
formats are good I don't think that two people

02:21:59.000 --> 02:22:01.340
first of all I hate the idea the presidential

02:22:01.340 --> 02:22:03.780
debates because I hate the idea of a time limitation

02:22:03.780 --> 02:22:06.639
on complex ideas also you have to break I think

02:22:06.639 --> 02:22:08.780
you have to have the debates right but the way

02:22:08.780 --> 02:22:10.639
they do the debates I think is the wrong way

02:22:10.639 --> 02:22:12.540
to do it I think they should have a conversation

02:22:12.540 --> 02:22:16.639
I think you and Kamala you sit across the table

02:22:16.639 --> 02:22:19.540
with no one in the room but the two of you Of

02:22:19.540 --> 02:22:21.020
course you're not going to shout at each other.

02:22:21.219 --> 02:22:22.219
Of course you're not going to insult each other.

02:22:22.239 --> 02:22:24.700
Well, you may. I mean, it may get... Hopefully

02:22:24.700 --> 02:22:26.959
it wouldn't, but that would be the way to do

02:22:26.959 --> 02:22:28.260
it. They used to do it that way in the old days.

02:22:28.280 --> 02:22:32.000
To put cameras on you with no one interfering

02:22:32.000 --> 02:22:36.459
with checking whether or not it's factual, especially

02:22:36.459 --> 02:22:38.520
when it's biased, because they checked you all

02:22:38.520 --> 02:22:40.940
those times and they didn't check her, with clearly

02:22:40.940 --> 02:22:44.340
things that were inaccurate, right? have two

02:22:44.340 --> 02:22:46.180
people just have a conversation with those without

02:22:46.180 --> 02:22:48.940
a time constraint. And also this ideal, they

02:22:48.940 --> 02:22:52.579
cut off the microphone. Well, and no crowd. No

02:22:52.579 --> 02:22:54.479
crowd. Crazy, too, because you're good at working

02:22:54.479 --> 02:22:56.459
a crowd. I would rather have a crowd. Of course

02:22:56.459 --> 02:22:58.379
you would. You're good at crowds. But I had no.

02:22:58.719 --> 02:23:01.200
So they gave me an alternative. I don't think

02:23:01.200 --> 02:23:03.219
you want to debate. Why did they want no crowd?

02:23:03.340 --> 02:23:04.479
What was the argument? Because I think they thought

02:23:04.479 --> 02:23:06.520
I wasn't going to accept it. So I believe what

02:23:06.520 --> 02:23:09.420
they wanted to do is have me not accept. So they

02:23:09.420 --> 02:23:12.700
gave me a deal I couldn't refuse. And I said,

02:23:12.780 --> 02:23:15.940
I'll do it, OK? It's like the mob. Right. I'll

02:23:15.940 --> 02:23:19.799
take it. So they came to me, they said, we'll

02:23:19.799 --> 02:23:22.520
debate Joe Biden. You know, that thing got tremendous

02:23:22.520 --> 02:23:25.280
ratings, too. That was crazy. But we'll debate

02:23:25.280 --> 02:23:28.500
Joe Biden. But you can't have a crowd. They also

02:23:28.500 --> 02:23:30.659
wanted sitting down. I said, that's the only

02:23:30.659 --> 02:23:32.360
thing I said. Look, you got to you got to stand

02:23:32.360 --> 02:23:34.139
up. You can't really sit down. Right. In the

02:23:34.139 --> 02:23:35.959
old days, they did sit down a little bit. But

02:23:35.959 --> 02:23:39.090
but he gets tired. You got to stand up. And they

02:23:39.090 --> 02:23:41.729
agreed to it. It was a very tough thing. It almost

02:23:41.729 --> 02:23:44.889
killed it. They wanted to have, like, desks where

02:23:44.889 --> 02:23:47.389
we sit. And I said, I think we should stand up.

02:23:47.489 --> 02:23:49.489
And that was the only thing I asked for. I said,

02:23:49.530 --> 02:23:53.129
we've got to stand up. I thought it looked bad

02:23:53.129 --> 02:23:55.989
for, like, the public. But they said, no crowd

02:23:55.989 --> 02:23:59.750
and cut off the mic. And I said, I can live with

02:23:59.750 --> 02:24:02.270
it. I mean, I can live with it. And they thought

02:24:02.270 --> 02:24:03.850
I was going to reject it. And then they would

02:24:03.850 --> 02:24:06.729
say he didn't want to debate Sleepy Joe. Right.

02:24:06.920 --> 02:24:08.040
That's what they thought was going on. Well,

02:24:08.059 --> 02:24:09.700
they tried to say that with you and Kamala as

02:24:09.700 --> 02:24:10.860
well. They tried to say that you didn't want

02:24:10.860 --> 02:24:13.260
to debate her as well. No, by the way, with her,

02:24:13.760 --> 02:24:15.659
number one, I'm leading. Number two, you know,

02:24:15.680 --> 02:24:17.520
I didn't. They also said it with the primary.

02:24:18.040 --> 02:24:23.100
So I had like 10, 12 guys in the prime and no

02:24:23.100 --> 02:24:25.379
stupid guys. I mean, they're governors in the

02:24:25.379 --> 02:24:27.360
Senate. They're not stupid people. Some are stupid,

02:24:27.420 --> 02:24:30.700
but not all of them. And all my guys said, you

02:24:30.700 --> 02:24:33.280
have to be in the debate. I said, why? I'm leading

02:24:33.280 --> 02:24:37.620
by 74 points. The closest guy to me, I'm like

02:24:37.620 --> 02:24:41.360
60 points, 70 points higher. Why would I stand

02:24:41.360 --> 02:24:43.739
there like an idiot for two hours and let every

02:24:43.739 --> 02:24:46.020
one of them scream at me? I'm gonna be the focus.

02:24:46.739 --> 02:24:49.120
And I said, I'm not debating. And it was a very

02:24:49.120 --> 02:24:52.219
smart thing because they just killed themselves.

02:24:52.219 --> 02:24:54.280
The Republican primaries. Yeah, the Republican

02:24:54.280 --> 02:24:59.500
primaries. I like debating. I think you have

02:24:59.500 --> 02:25:02.739
to debate. But it has to be fair. I like debating

02:25:02.739 --> 02:25:05.760
like the Rosie O'Donnell debate. I like debating

02:25:05.760 --> 02:25:08.040
when you have a credit. Remember the Rosie Adele?

02:25:08.360 --> 02:25:10.780
It was a crazy thing, Megan. That was a hell

02:25:10.780 --> 02:25:13.200
of a question, man. If I didn't come up with

02:25:13.200 --> 02:25:15.280
that answer. It was a great line. Well, what

02:25:15.280 --> 02:25:18.219
it was is, you know, that was we had 28 ,000

02:25:18.219 --> 02:25:20.219
people. That was the Cleveland Arena where the

02:25:20.219 --> 02:25:22.739
Cavaliers played. Right. LeBron James. Not a

02:25:22.739 --> 02:25:24.860
big fan of LeBron James, but he is a good basketball

02:25:24.860 --> 02:25:27.860
player. But, you know, that was the. And when

02:25:27.860 --> 02:25:32.040
I said that, that place went crazy. And she kept

02:25:32.040 --> 02:25:33.180
talking. Because it's funny. No, she had like

02:25:33.180 --> 02:25:35.440
10 other... Yeah, well, Megan said you said it

02:25:35.440 --> 02:25:37.180
to other people and you admitted you did. But

02:25:37.180 --> 02:25:39.760
it was funny. It was a comedic timing moment.

02:25:39.780 --> 02:25:41.319
It was fine. That's what they wanted to avoid.

02:25:41.319 --> 02:25:44.959
It was lucky I did it because... She was drowned.

02:25:45.079 --> 02:25:47.000
Oh, she wasn't fined that question, but she kept

02:25:47.000 --> 02:25:49.319
talking, but you couldn't hear to this day They

02:25:49.319 --> 02:25:51.040
don't know what she said, but it wasn't buzz

02:25:51.040 --> 02:25:53.719
So anyway, but we had a good time It's comedic

02:25:53.719 --> 02:25:55.659
timing and that's the reason why to have an abate

02:25:55.659 --> 02:25:57.420
a debate in front of a large audience and then

02:25:57.420 --> 02:26:00.920
they do I got very good reviews on that. That

02:26:00.920 --> 02:26:03.600
was great. Very funny Very funny stuff that Tim

02:26:03.600 --> 02:26:07.129
Wall stuff was very funny It's funny that's a

02:26:07.129 --> 02:26:09.649
real that's a crazy one she did she said that

02:26:09.649 --> 02:26:11.329
she had picked him and this one of the question

02:26:11.329 --> 02:26:13.370
I want to ask her when she was sleep deprived

02:26:13.370 --> 02:26:16.290
She said she was suffering from sleep deprivation

02:26:16.290 --> 02:26:19.170
when she picked him, which is just I was maybe

02:26:19.170 --> 02:26:21.729
take a nap So I was okay. Look, let's see how

02:26:21.729 --> 02:26:23.430
it all turns out. I think we're gonna win I think

02:26:23.430 --> 02:26:25.649
we're way ahead now. I think we're way ahead,

02:26:25.770 --> 02:26:30.690
but but Can I bring it back? I think they're

02:26:30.690 --> 02:26:32.950
gonna look at Two things. They're going to say

02:26:32.950 --> 02:26:34.770
they should have had a primary, even if it was

02:26:34.770 --> 02:26:36.430
a short primary. They shouldn't have picked her.

02:26:36.809 --> 02:26:38.229
And then she's going to say, I shouldn't have

02:26:38.229 --> 02:26:39.649
picked this guy. She shouldn't have picked that

02:26:39.649 --> 02:26:42.370
guy. That guy's a disaster. The lying about Tiananmen

02:26:42.370 --> 02:26:45.250
Square. Everything. Yeah, the military record,

02:26:45.569 --> 02:26:48.469
assistant coach versus head coach. Little thing.

02:26:48.489 --> 02:26:51.489
So I did McDonald's last week. I saw that. And

02:26:51.489 --> 02:26:53.690
I actually got a call from your friends at Google,

02:26:54.149 --> 02:26:56.510
from Sundar. That's pretty good, right? He said,

02:26:56.629 --> 02:26:59.649
this is the biggest thing we've had in... Years

02:26:59.649 --> 02:27:02.450
you they have McDonalds. Did you know that it

02:27:02.450 --> 02:27:05.270
was one of the most funny? Who's a great guy

02:27:05.270 --> 02:27:08.090
by the way, but he said This McDonald's thing.

02:27:08.190 --> 02:27:09.850
I want to tell you it's one of the biggest things

02:27:09.850 --> 02:27:13.549
we've ever had on Google It just hit but the

02:27:13.549 --> 02:27:15.430
reason I did and I actually you know, you never

02:27:15.430 --> 02:27:17.370
know about this stuff I thought it was a throwaway.

02:27:17.389 --> 02:27:19.450
Mm -hmm I didn't think our conversation is a

02:27:19.450 --> 02:27:21.309
throwaway but I thought that was I thought I'd

02:27:21.309 --> 02:27:23.690
walk in and that was only to highlight the fact

02:27:23.690 --> 02:27:26.229
and I have a friend he owns like 56 of these

02:27:26.229 --> 02:27:28.549
McDonald's and He said, do you want to use one?

02:27:28.690 --> 02:27:30.969
I said, yeah, I love it. So we went there and

02:27:30.969 --> 02:27:33.049
the crowd was crazy. You know, they had 28 ,000

02:27:33.049 --> 02:27:35.430
people around the whole thing. Did you see the

02:27:35.430 --> 02:27:37.829
outside? It was crazy. The cars couldn't get

02:27:37.829 --> 02:27:40.110
through. Secret Service was not exactly thrilled.

02:27:40.290 --> 02:27:42.829
We had no idea what the hell. But I went into

02:27:42.829 --> 02:27:45.950
the place and I did the French fry thing and

02:27:45.950 --> 02:27:49.270
it just hit. But that's like in life. Sometimes

02:27:49.270 --> 02:27:51.090
you do. I thought it was like a quick throw where

02:27:51.090 --> 02:27:52.569
we're going to be there for 15 minutes. Then

02:27:52.569 --> 02:27:55.389
I said, I've worked here for 15 minutes, which

02:27:55.389 --> 02:27:58.780
is 15 minutes more than She worked here. She

02:27:58.780 --> 02:28:03.159
lied about McDonald's. Is that proven that she

02:28:03.159 --> 02:28:05.520
never worked there herself? Well, McDonald's

02:28:05.520 --> 02:28:09.399
has no information. She has no information. The

02:28:09.399 --> 02:28:11.479
manager said she never worked there, you know,

02:28:11.500 --> 02:28:13.260
it was a certain place, and he said they never...

02:28:13.260 --> 02:28:16.280
No, she lied. She's a liar. You know what they

02:28:16.280 --> 02:28:19.500
do? They'll say, like, on any one of their questions,

02:28:19.639 --> 02:28:23.219
they'll say, it's the exact opposite of what

02:28:23.219 --> 02:28:28.170
I say. IVF. He's against IVF, the fertilization.

02:28:29.030 --> 02:28:32.629
And it's the exact opposite. I came out immediately

02:28:32.629 --> 02:28:35.610
strongly in favor. And they do ads, I'm against

02:28:35.610 --> 02:28:40.190
it, it's wrong. On every single topic, and you

02:28:40.190 --> 02:28:43.329
know, she changed policies on 15. I've never

02:28:43.329 --> 02:28:46.069
seen a guy change, anybody change on more than

02:28:46.069 --> 02:28:48.489
one. You know, you can maybe get away with one.

02:28:49.049 --> 02:28:52.010
Her whole life, fracking, every single thing

02:28:52.010 --> 02:28:55.200
that she was for. the confiscation of guns. She

02:28:55.200 --> 02:28:57.040
wants to confiscate. Now she's saying everybody

02:28:57.040 --> 02:28:58.860
should have a gun. In fact, we're going to get

02:28:58.860 --> 02:29:00.860
her a MAGA cap. I'm going to send her a MAGA

02:29:00.860 --> 02:29:04.120
cap. But she's changed, and I don't think people

02:29:04.120 --> 02:29:06.059
are buying it. I don't think people are buying

02:29:06.059 --> 02:29:08.020
it. Well, some people are buying it because they

02:29:08.020 --> 02:29:09.979
want to buy it, because it's blue no matter who.

02:29:10.120 --> 02:29:12.219
There's a certain percentage of our population

02:29:12.219 --> 02:29:13.860
that's going to vote Democrat no matter what.

02:29:14.000 --> 02:29:16.319
That's true. They're pressured. There's their

02:29:16.319 --> 02:29:19.659
community, their ideology. It's left is good,

02:29:19.680 --> 02:29:20.379
right is evil. You know what I don't understand?

02:29:20.379 --> 02:29:24.510
I don't understand why. a wall, or you have a,

02:29:24.510 --> 02:29:28.149
you know, I built 570 miles of wall. I built

02:29:28.149 --> 02:29:32.090
a lot of wall, exactly the stuff. But you have

02:29:32.090 --> 02:29:35.530
a border. What I don't understand is, who would

02:29:35.530 --> 02:29:39.149
want people to come into our country from places

02:29:39.149 --> 02:29:41.270
unknown, like sometimes they'll say about a fighter,

02:29:41.450 --> 02:29:44.409
from parts unknown, right? Remember Haystacks

02:29:44.409 --> 02:29:47.829
Gahoon, from parts unknown. The oldest, those

02:29:47.829 --> 02:29:52.069
are the oldest. That's even before you. Who would

02:29:52.069 --> 02:29:56.329
want people to come in pouring into our country?

02:29:56.969 --> 02:29:58.690
We don't know anything about it. But that's,

02:29:58.770 --> 02:30:00.590
I want to ask you this. Why do you think they're

02:30:00.590 --> 02:30:02.309
doing that? I think because... Do you think they're

02:30:02.309 --> 02:30:04.389
trying to buy votes? Do you think they just want

02:30:04.389 --> 02:30:07.329
cheap labor? Like what is the idea? Okay, there's

02:30:07.329 --> 02:30:09.030
a couple of theories. They hate our country.

02:30:09.930 --> 02:30:12.889
They're stupid. or they want to buy votes. It's

02:30:12.889 --> 02:30:15.489
one of those three things. Now, they are trying

02:30:15.489 --> 02:30:17.610
to get people registered who, you know, don't

02:30:17.610 --> 02:30:18.809
even know what the country is. And they're trying

02:30:18.809 --> 02:30:20.950
to give people amnesty, people that live here,

02:30:21.110 --> 02:30:21.649
they're trying to give them a path to citizenship.

02:30:21.649 --> 02:30:22.270
They want to give them amnesty, they want to

02:30:22.270 --> 02:30:24.450
give them citizenship, and they want to... Well,

02:30:24.450 --> 02:30:25.389
how about what happened in... And if you think

02:30:25.389 --> 02:30:26.809
about the amount of money that they've given

02:30:26.809 --> 02:30:28.750
them when they've come here, the food stamps,

02:30:28.969 --> 02:30:30.870
the benefits that even our poor people aren't

02:30:30.870 --> 02:30:34.649
getting. $200 billion, and that's a way low number.

02:30:34.709 --> 02:30:36.889
That's a way low. You know, it's interesting.

02:30:36.989 --> 02:30:40.610
New York has always been like... sort of like

02:30:40.610 --> 02:30:43.370
always looking for money. They've spent $100

02:30:43.370 --> 02:30:45.850
billion on this stuff. I don't know where they,

02:30:45.909 --> 02:30:47.569
and they're not getting the money from the federal

02:30:47.569 --> 02:30:51.209
government, it's crazy. And because the mayor

02:30:51.209 --> 02:30:55.809
came out and said, we can't live like this. They

02:30:55.809 --> 02:30:59.549
investigated him. By the way, I called it. I

02:30:59.549 --> 02:31:02.450
said, he just got himself indicted. This group

02:31:02.450 --> 02:31:05.350
is stupid, but they're vicious. They're stupid

02:31:05.350 --> 02:31:08.129
people, but they're vicious people. The 2020

02:31:08.129 --> 02:31:10.889
elections, you say you have all this evidence

02:31:10.889 --> 02:31:13.969
that it was rigged. Why haven't you put this

02:31:13.969 --> 02:31:16.590
evidence in a consumable form? I did. In what?

02:31:16.750 --> 02:31:19.989
Oh, I did. I have books on it. And by the way,

02:31:20.290 --> 02:31:24.049
books have been written on it. We have an author

02:31:24.049 --> 02:31:27.569
named Hemingway who is a great writer. She wrote

02:31:27.569 --> 02:31:30.219
a book on it. Many books have been written on

02:31:30.219 --> 02:31:33.819
it. There are books that are... What's happened

02:31:33.819 --> 02:31:36.860
is judges don't want to touch it. They would

02:31:36.860 --> 02:31:39.100
say you don't have standing. They didn't rule

02:31:39.100 --> 02:31:43.100
on the merits. The merits never got there. The

02:31:43.100 --> 02:31:48.600
judges didn't have what it took to turn over

02:31:48.600 --> 02:31:50.879
an election. Let's talk about the potential vulnerabilities

02:31:50.879 --> 02:31:53.340
for elections and election fraud. One of them

02:31:53.340 --> 02:31:57.639
is mail -in ballots. The other one is the...

02:31:57.520 --> 02:32:00.680
If someone can break into voting machines if

02:32:00.680 --> 02:32:03.319
someone can hack machines those are two huge

02:32:03.319 --> 02:32:07.819
ones so Elon Elon Musk Elon Musk I think he said

02:32:07.819 --> 02:32:09.819
it public I hope he did because I wouldn't want

02:32:09.819 --> 02:32:12.719
to be the winner But he's a really smart guy

02:32:12.719 --> 02:32:15.159
and he's a very good guy with computers, right?

02:32:15.159 --> 02:32:16.819
You'd say he's he's one of the smartest people

02:32:16.819 --> 02:32:19.920
alive anybody that can land that 20 -story building

02:32:20.280 --> 02:32:22.680
And perfect employment. While he's doing Starlink,

02:32:22.879 --> 02:32:24.979
while he's doing Tesla, while he owns Twitter.

02:32:25.459 --> 02:32:27.040
And then he agrees to Starlink. And he tweets

02:32:27.040 --> 02:32:31.399
100 times a day. He's an amazing guy. Yeah. He

02:32:31.399 --> 02:32:34.239
said to me that unless you have paper ballots,

02:32:34.719 --> 02:32:36.899
it can never be an honest election. That's a

02:32:36.899 --> 02:32:38.920
big statement. It's a big statement. We should

02:32:38.920 --> 02:32:42.079
go to paper ballots. You know, France did. They

02:32:42.079 --> 02:32:44.799
went the mail in voting and it was all messed

02:32:44.799 --> 02:32:46.799
up. You know the amazing thing with the machines?

02:32:47.309 --> 02:32:50.010
So we have the machines. They cost 10 times more.

02:32:50.170 --> 02:32:53.389
A paper ballot would cost 8%. And they make paper

02:32:53.389 --> 02:32:54.829
ballots. They're all watermarked and everything

02:32:54.829 --> 02:32:57.729
else. They're very sophisticated. But if you

02:32:57.729 --> 02:33:02.430
take a look, paper ballots, 8 % the cost, and

02:33:02.430 --> 02:33:04.750
you're done by 9 o 'clock in the evening, right?

02:33:05.309 --> 02:33:07.690
Now we have this sophisticated machine that goes

02:33:07.690 --> 02:33:10.049
up to heaven. It goes all over the place and

02:33:10.049 --> 02:33:12.500
down and around. And they say, we'll need two

02:33:12.500 --> 02:33:14.299
weeks to figure out who the hell won the election.

02:33:14.500 --> 02:33:16.579
Do you think that's by design? Yeah, I do. I

02:33:16.579 --> 02:33:19.440
think it's very crooked. That's my opinion. You're

02:33:19.440 --> 02:33:22.239
allowed to have an opinion. Let's say you win

02:33:22.239 --> 02:33:26.440
in November. What can be done to mitigate these

02:33:26.440 --> 02:33:30.319
problems? What could be done at the level that

02:33:30.319 --> 02:33:33.200
the president has power? Well, if I win, this

02:33:33.200 --> 02:33:36.510
will be my last election. But I think I owe it

02:33:36.510 --> 02:33:39.149
to the country, yeah. But I think I owe it to

02:33:39.149 --> 02:33:41.090
the country. We have to have fair elections.

02:33:41.329 --> 02:33:43.250
So how can you fix that? You know, Jimmy Carter

02:33:43.250 --> 02:33:45.549
was in charge of a commission, you know, that

02:33:45.549 --> 02:33:49.389
many years ago. And they put him in Scoop Jackson

02:33:49.389 --> 02:33:51.469
and various senators, you know, distinguished

02:33:51.469 --> 02:33:54.149
people that were retired. And they came up with

02:33:54.149 --> 02:33:57.239
a report. And the report's primary finding was

02:33:57.239 --> 02:34:01.020
you cannot have mail -in ballots, because if

02:34:01.020 --> 02:34:03.799
it's a mail -in ballot. You know, I went to the

02:34:03.799 --> 02:34:06.020
voting booth the last time, whatever it was,

02:34:06.700 --> 02:34:09.100
and I walked in, in Palm Beach, and I walk in,

02:34:09.620 --> 02:34:12.200
and they know me. They say, Mr. President, could

02:34:12.200 --> 02:34:14.139
I see your identification? Yes, boom, here's

02:34:14.139 --> 02:34:17.219
this, here's that, everything. And then you sit

02:34:17.219 --> 02:34:20.920
and they watch you sign and... There's not a

02:34:20.920 --> 02:34:22.819
lot you can do. I mean, if you want it to be

02:34:22.819 --> 02:34:25.360
dishonest, it's sort of beautiful. If instead

02:34:25.360 --> 02:34:29.360
of that, I'm going to send them a ballot. It

02:34:29.360 --> 02:34:31.840
has to go through the postal services. It has

02:34:31.840 --> 02:34:34.620
to go through a lot of people. They mail you

02:34:34.620 --> 02:34:36.840
houses that, you know, the house was demolished

02:34:36.840 --> 02:34:41.040
and the people have left and it's so bad. The

02:34:41.040 --> 02:34:44.559
one thing with Jimmy Carter, he had a very strong

02:34:44.559 --> 02:34:48.309
commission. No mail -in ballots. And we're the

02:34:48.309 --> 02:34:50.389
only one that does elections this way anymore.

02:34:50.549 --> 02:34:52.270
They've gotten away from them. And this is a

02:34:52.270 --> 02:34:54.530
ticked up in a big way after COVID. It used to

02:34:54.530 --> 02:34:56.889
be like soldiers serving overseas. They use COVID

02:34:56.889 --> 02:34:59.190
to cheat. Yeah. Well, they use COVID to certainly

02:34:59.190 --> 02:35:01.190
push this mail -in ballot. Another thing that

02:35:01.190 --> 02:35:03.110
they - Well, no, but that's - Yes. But they use

02:35:03.110 --> 02:35:04.950
COVID to cheat. But here's another - And the

02:35:04.950 --> 02:35:07.909
last election was a little bit of a - You couldn't

02:35:07.909 --> 02:35:10.909
even get security guys. Big, strong guys to watch.

02:35:11.370 --> 02:35:13.250
You know what? You'd call them. They'd call them

02:35:13.250 --> 02:35:15.360
in this session. They were afraid to go out.

02:35:15.479 --> 02:35:18.620
You know, we were in the middle of COVID. We

02:35:18.620 --> 02:35:21.040
were in the middle of COVID, right smack in the

02:35:21.040 --> 02:35:23.379
middle. And they didn't want to die. You know,

02:35:23.379 --> 02:35:26.680
they didn't want to catch it. It was like, in

02:35:26.680 --> 02:35:31.680
a way, it was like a ghost town. the whole thing,

02:35:31.860 --> 02:35:35.180
but mail -in ballots are a bad thing. That certainly

02:35:35.180 --> 02:35:37.500
is a problem. Mail -in ballots are a problem.

02:35:37.540 --> 02:35:41.879
Another problem is voter ID. Voter ID is the

02:35:41.879 --> 02:35:44.879
most bizarre argument that I've never seen anybody

02:35:44.879 --> 02:35:47.360
articulate in a way that's convincing why you

02:35:47.360 --> 02:35:48.680
don't need voter ID. Because they want it cheap.

02:35:48.780 --> 02:35:51.299
Well, it doesn't make sense any other way. I've

02:35:51.299 --> 02:35:53.479
tried to straw man it, or I've tried to steal

02:35:53.479 --> 02:35:55.440
man it, rather. I've tried to look at it from

02:35:55.440 --> 02:35:58.000
a position like why would you not want people

02:35:58.000 --> 02:36:02.879
to have ID? The ideas are just ridiculous. You

02:36:02.879 --> 02:36:04.940
need an ID to get a driver's license. But here's

02:36:04.940 --> 02:36:08.000
now the next step. Gavin Newscombe, one of the

02:36:08.000 --> 02:36:11.639
worst governors in the world, and frankly I used

02:36:11.639 --> 02:36:13.100
to get along, but I don't get along with him

02:36:13.100 --> 02:36:15.100
now because he's just too, you know, it's just

02:36:15.100 --> 02:36:18.559
a whole con job. But Gavin Newscombe, the other

02:36:18.559 --> 02:36:50.940
day signed a bill. that you are not And a big

02:36:50.940 --> 02:36:53.920
picture, that's for there. They have an idea,

02:36:54.100 --> 02:36:56.559
a big idea. It was hanging like you were a prisoner.

02:36:57.659 --> 02:37:00.840
They had these massive cards, everything. And

02:37:00.840 --> 02:37:02.979
yet, when it comes to the vote, in theory, the

02:37:02.979 --> 02:37:05.299
most important thing we do, okay? When you go

02:37:05.299 --> 02:37:08.659
to a grocery store, you give ID. But for a vote,

02:37:08.860 --> 02:37:10.940
it's supposed to be a sacred thing. And it should

02:37:10.940 --> 02:37:13.959
be a sacred thing. No voter ID, because they

02:37:13.959 --> 02:37:16.809
want to cheat. Well, it doesn't make sense in

02:37:16.809 --> 02:37:18.790
any other way. I've tried to look at it. There's

02:37:18.790 --> 02:37:21.829
no other way. There's no argument that anybody's

02:37:21.829 --> 02:37:23.850
presented that makes any sense why. You know

02:37:23.850 --> 02:37:25.750
the funny thing, Joe? The Democrats, the people,

02:37:26.309 --> 02:37:28.069
they all think you should have it. In other words,

02:37:28.129 --> 02:37:30.149
you should have it. Yeah. If you go to the people,

02:37:30.870 --> 02:37:34.010
Mrs. Schwartz, Mrs. Smith, Mr. and Mrs. Jones.

02:37:34.090 --> 02:37:37.489
Sure. They say, of course, yeah. Democrats, they

02:37:37.489 --> 02:37:40.030
say yes. It's the politicians that don't want

02:37:40.030 --> 02:37:41.809
it, like Schumer and these guys. They don't want

02:37:41.809 --> 02:37:43.889
it. because they want to be able to cheat. Because

02:37:43.889 --> 02:37:46.530
you know what? If they didn't have it, okay,

02:37:47.090 --> 02:37:48.829
who is going to vote for somebody that wants

02:37:48.829 --> 02:37:51.350
open borders? Who's going to vote for somebody

02:37:51.350 --> 02:37:54.149
that wants to have men playing in women's sports?

02:37:54.430 --> 02:37:57.649
You know, I have never had one person come up

02:37:57.649 --> 02:38:00.930
to me and say, President, you've got to do something

02:38:00.930 --> 02:38:04.329
to allow men to play in women's sports. Have

02:38:04.329 --> 02:38:06.309
you ever? Just like I've never been called by

02:38:06.309 --> 02:38:08.309
a pollster. I told you my little theory on pollsters,

02:38:08.430 --> 02:38:10.559
okay? I'm getting myself in trouble with some

02:38:10.559 --> 02:38:13.379
of these things, but I don't really care. Nobody's

02:38:13.379 --> 02:38:17.260
ever come up to me and said, we want to have

02:38:17.260 --> 02:38:21.940
men play in women's sports. And, you know, I

02:38:21.940 --> 02:38:25.600
had a funny thing at a property I own in California.

02:38:25.719 --> 02:38:28.100
I have a woman who's a very good athlete, and

02:38:28.100 --> 02:38:31.219
she works there as a manager. And Brian Erlacher,

02:38:31.379 --> 02:38:34.719
the big Chicago badge, great player, you know.

02:38:35.130 --> 02:38:37.090
10 -time All -Star, I guess, Hall of Fame, a

02:38:37.090 --> 02:38:40.649
great guy, big, strong guy. And she said, oh,

02:38:40.709 --> 02:38:43.229
he's one of my favorite athletes. Can I have

02:38:43.229 --> 02:38:45.389
a picture? And I took a picture and I sent it.

02:38:45.469 --> 02:38:47.549
And I noticed she was the size of his leg. His

02:38:47.549 --> 02:38:50.610
leg was bigger than she was. And I put it out,

02:38:51.010 --> 02:38:54.729
should men play in women's? It was just so ridiculous.

02:38:55.610 --> 02:38:58.090
What's one of the most bizarre and polarizing

02:38:58.090 --> 02:39:00.110
ideas that's promoted by the left? But who wants

02:39:00.110 --> 02:39:03.350
it? Now, unless you're going to cheat, in elections,

02:39:03.610 --> 02:39:05.489
you're never gonna get, nobody wants it. I don't

02:39:05.489 --> 02:39:08.170
think anybody wants it. I've been told everything.

02:39:08.889 --> 02:39:12.389
Some people want this. I don't know of anybody

02:39:12.389 --> 02:39:14.629
that wants open borders. Nobody's ever come up

02:39:14.629 --> 02:39:16.750
to me and say, President, you gotta let the world

02:39:16.750 --> 02:39:20.090
come into our country. Now, if they won, so they

02:39:20.090 --> 02:39:21.809
have 21 million, I think it's much harder than

02:39:21.809 --> 02:39:23.270
that because you've got a ways. You know, got

02:39:23.270 --> 02:39:26.430
a ways where they just walk in. And the other

02:39:26.430 --> 02:39:28.190
thing you have is human traffickers. You have

02:39:28.190 --> 02:39:31.069
traffickers, and they traffic in women. And they're

02:39:31.069 --> 02:39:34.370
going wild now. You know where you have to look?

02:39:34.430 --> 02:39:36.450
The trunk of cars. Can you believe it? They put

02:39:36.450 --> 02:39:38.889
women in trunks. They'll put three women in a

02:39:38.889 --> 02:39:41.430
trunk. These people are savages. They're horrible.

02:39:41.569 --> 02:39:45.030
The worst people. And the kind of money they

02:39:45.030 --> 02:39:47.290
make on drugs, they're almost making on trafficking

02:39:47.290 --> 02:39:50.549
now. And the thing that's made it hot is the

02:39:50.549 --> 02:39:54.049
internet. You think of it almost as an ancient

02:39:54.049 --> 02:39:57.110
thing. But it's the internet. But who would want

02:39:57.110 --> 02:39:58.670
to have these things? Who would want to have?

02:39:58.889 --> 02:40:01.229
There's so many, the transgender operations,

02:40:02.030 --> 02:40:04.530
where they're allowed to take your child when

02:40:04.530 --> 02:40:07.510
he goes to school and turn him into a male, to

02:40:07.510 --> 02:40:11.510
a female, without parental consent. Who wants

02:40:11.510 --> 02:40:13.790
this? Does anybody want this? I've never heard

02:40:13.790 --> 02:40:16.090
of anyone. And I can go into 10 different things.

02:40:16.790 --> 02:40:21.040
The only way they get them is by... No voter

02:40:21.040 --> 02:40:23.280
ID. You can't have voter ID. They don't want

02:40:23.280 --> 02:40:26.559
any. They want to cheat. There's only one reason,

02:40:26.719 --> 02:40:30.299
because the voter ID is so basic. It's the most

02:40:30.299 --> 02:40:33.799
basic thing there is. Who would want this? They

02:40:33.799 --> 02:40:36.219
want it so they can cheat, because their policies

02:40:36.219 --> 02:40:39.760
are no good. I'll tell you, they're very smart

02:40:39.760 --> 02:40:42.840
when it comes to that. They're very smart, although

02:40:42.840 --> 02:40:45.879
they're not smart in terms of politics in a way,

02:40:45.940 --> 02:40:48.770
because What do they have that people want? They

02:40:48.770 --> 02:40:50.770
really don't have. They give away a lot of healthcare,

02:40:50.850 --> 02:40:53.409
a lot of stuff. But for the most part, their

02:40:53.409 --> 02:40:55.690
policies are terrible. Their policy on military,

02:40:56.049 --> 02:40:58.309
she's running on a tax hike. She's going to raise

02:40:58.309 --> 02:41:00.729
your taxes. You got to hear this. We are going

02:41:00.729 --> 02:41:03.969
to raise your taxes. And the people clap. But

02:41:03.969 --> 02:41:07.809
who is going to win with her? All my life I grew

02:41:07.809 --> 02:41:12.959
up with politicians, lower taxes. She's politic

02:41:12.959 --> 02:41:15.440
in that we are going to raise your taxes. Well,

02:41:16.340 --> 02:41:18.260
the idea is you want to raise the taxes to the

02:41:18.260 --> 02:41:20.299
highest earners. I know, but it really doesn't

02:41:20.299 --> 02:41:21.040
work that way. They think that millionaires and

02:41:21.040 --> 02:41:22.899
billionaires are not paying their fair share.

02:41:23.100 --> 02:41:24.659
But it doesn't work that way. Well, it's a narrative.

02:41:24.920 --> 02:41:27.059
And it's a narrative that appeals to people that

02:41:27.059 --> 02:41:29.219
are not doing well. And they're like, yeah, our

02:41:29.219 --> 02:41:31.219
problems are that these rich people are not paying

02:41:31.219 --> 02:41:33.100
taxes. Well, the problems are the rich people

02:41:33.100 --> 02:41:34.579
are going to leave, and they're going to close

02:41:34.579 --> 02:41:36.500
up their companies, and then the other people

02:41:36.500 --> 02:41:38.020
aren't going to have jobs. You know, that's what

02:41:38.020 --> 02:41:40.159
happens. It does happen in other countries. But

02:41:40.159 --> 02:41:42.479
the whole, because you brought it up. I'll tell

02:41:42.479 --> 02:41:45.879
you what, we just, he's doing a very good job

02:41:45.879 --> 02:41:47.940
in Virginia. Glenn Yonkin, I don't know if you

02:41:47.940 --> 02:41:50.280
like him or not like him. I don't know him. Or

02:41:50.280 --> 02:41:51.840
you don't know him, the governor of Virginia.

02:41:53.180 --> 02:41:56.780
We have a case where they found thousands of

02:41:56.780 --> 02:41:59.680
illegal ballots a judge just ruled that they

02:41:59.680 --> 02:42:02.620
have to be able to vote Just happened today just

02:42:02.620 --> 02:42:05.659
before I walked in here. I heard a judge just

02:42:05.659 --> 02:42:09.680
ruled that You have to keep those people in they're

02:42:09.680 --> 02:42:12.719
illegal. They're illegal votes Now I think they'll

02:42:12.719 --> 02:42:15.440
be overturned at the next court one thing I found

02:42:15.440 --> 02:42:16.920
because I had a couple of things that they get

02:42:16.920 --> 02:42:18.899
overturned a little bit You know the system because

02:42:18.899 --> 02:42:23.450
the system you have to hope That the appellate

02:42:23.450 --> 02:42:26.409
judges are Honest otherwise, we don't have a

02:42:26.409 --> 02:42:29.069
country anymore. It's very important, but the

02:42:29.069 --> 02:42:30.690
whole thing with the legal ballots It's got to

02:42:30.690 --> 02:42:32.770
be looked at you got to have you have to have

02:42:32.770 --> 02:42:35.950
voter ID and you have to have additional ID You

02:42:35.950 --> 02:42:38.010
have to have an ID that shows that you're a citizen

02:42:38.010 --> 02:42:39.829
of the country. I agree. They don't want that

02:42:39.829 --> 02:42:42.530
either I agree One of the things that I want

02:42:42.530 --> 02:42:46.329
to talk to you about is the JFK files And one

02:42:46.329 --> 02:42:48.489
of the things that you said was that if they

02:42:48.489 --> 02:42:51.020
showed you What they showed me, this is your

02:42:51.020 --> 02:42:53.440
quote, you wouldn't want people to know it either.

02:42:55.579 --> 02:43:03.379
So, I opened them up, partially. I was met with,

02:43:03.520 --> 02:43:05.340
from good people, I mean, you know, look, I mean,

02:43:05.479 --> 02:43:08.340
good people. People that were well -meaning.

02:43:08.700 --> 02:43:11.620
Mike Pompeo was one of them. He's a good person.

02:43:13.319 --> 02:43:15.540
They called me, they said, Sarah would rather

02:43:15.540 --> 02:43:20.950
have you not. And I did open them. But I was

02:43:20.950 --> 02:43:23.549
asked by some people not to open them. There's

02:43:23.549 --> 02:43:25.649
a Martin Luther King file, too, by the way, that

02:43:25.649 --> 02:43:27.250
they'd like to see. I don't know if you know,

02:43:27.290 --> 02:43:32.450
but there is that. But JFK in particular. So

02:43:32.450 --> 02:43:34.629
they called me. A lot of good people called me.

02:43:34.629 --> 02:43:37.450
People that you would find reasonable people.

02:43:37.989 --> 02:43:40.290
And they asked me not to do it. So I said, well,

02:43:40.430 --> 02:43:43.790
we'll close it for another time. If I win, I'm

02:43:43.790 --> 02:43:45.370
going to open them up. I'm just going to open

02:43:45.370 --> 02:43:46.950
enough. Why didn't you open it up the first time?

02:43:47.069 --> 02:43:49.850
Because a lot of times the hesitation addresses

02:43:49.850 --> 02:43:52.629
people that are still living. There are people

02:43:52.629 --> 02:43:56.549
that are affected. And there could be some national

02:43:56.549 --> 02:43:58.649
security reason that for, you know, that I don't

02:43:58.649 --> 02:44:01.250
have to necessarily know about. But some very

02:44:01.250 --> 02:44:03.569
good, talented people asked me not to do it.

02:44:03.729 --> 02:44:06.889
I opened it up and then they said, would it be

02:44:06.889 --> 02:44:10.610
possible for us to do that a different day? Nobody

02:44:10.610 --> 02:44:16.739
did you read into? I think it's going to be just

02:44:16.739 --> 02:44:18.639
fine to open it. Let me put it that way. I think

02:44:18.639 --> 02:44:21.100
it's fine. It's going to be time. It's a cleansing.

02:44:21.360 --> 02:44:23.500
It's really a cleansing. So I'm going to do it.

02:44:23.500 --> 02:44:25.559
I'm going to do it immediately, almost immediately

02:44:25.559 --> 02:44:28.379
upon entering office. Well, the thing, when people

02:44:28.379 --> 02:44:31.659
look at it from the outside and you sort of imagine

02:44:31.659 --> 02:44:35.360
what could be a reason why they would not release

02:44:35.360 --> 02:44:38.840
those files, it would be there's people that

02:44:38.840 --> 02:44:42.860
were implicated in the assassination. Well, when

02:44:42.860 --> 02:44:44.840
there are living people, you generally tend not

02:44:44.840 --> 02:44:47.260
to want to do it. When people are still living.

02:44:47.739 --> 02:44:49.659
Living people that formerly worked for the government.

02:44:50.299 --> 02:44:52.239
For the government and living people that were

02:44:52.239 --> 02:44:54.440
somehow involved in it. And you tend not to do

02:44:54.440 --> 02:44:59.000
that. But it's time to open them. I can't tell

02:44:59.000 --> 02:45:01.120
you whether or not they're going to find anything

02:45:01.120 --> 02:45:03.579
of interest. And I did partially open. I think

02:45:03.579 --> 02:45:07.959
I've opened 50%. But I was asked not to do it.

02:45:08.159 --> 02:45:10.850
And I... Thought that was a reasonable ass, but

02:45:10.850 --> 02:45:12.510
now I'm gonna do it I'm gonna do it very soon.

02:45:13.090 --> 02:45:14.909
There's a lot of interest in it one of the things

02:45:14.909 --> 02:45:18.350
that a lot of interest in the People coming from

02:45:18.350 --> 02:45:20.750
space, you know, yes, and I know you're interested.

02:45:20.750 --> 02:45:22.530
I'm very interested in that How much they tell

02:45:22.530 --> 02:45:25.250
you about that a lot really? Yeah, what'd they

02:45:25.250 --> 02:45:28.409
tell you? How much can you tell so I how's that

02:45:28.409 --> 02:45:30.989
work? Is it like super top secret? Tell me well

02:45:30.989 --> 02:45:33.389
based on hunter Biden I can say whatever I want

02:45:33.389 --> 02:45:37.110
right, but no, but I interviewed A few people,

02:45:37.149 --> 02:45:38.969
it's never been my thing, I have to be honest.

02:45:39.149 --> 02:45:41.549
I have never been a believer. I have people that

02:45:41.549 --> 02:45:44.329
Area 51 or whatever it is, I think it's the number

02:45:44.329 --> 02:45:46.610
one tourist attraction in the whole country or

02:45:46.610 --> 02:45:48.870
something, Area 51 in Las Vegas. Do you know

02:45:48.870 --> 02:45:51.129
that, right? Sure, I know what it is. So anyway,

02:45:51.270 --> 02:45:55.049
but it's a big tourist thing. So I interviewed

02:45:55.049 --> 02:46:00.350
jet pilots that say they saw something. If you

02:46:00.350 --> 02:46:02.129
saw them, you'd love to have them. I've had a

02:46:02.129 --> 02:46:04.989
couple in here. Commander David Fravor, I had

02:46:04.989 --> 02:46:07.989
him in, who had that sighting in 2004. Very,

02:46:07.989 --> 02:46:10.430
very compelling with visual, video evidence,

02:46:10.770 --> 02:46:13.729
radar evidence. Ryan Graves. I don't believe

02:46:13.729 --> 02:46:19.870
his name, but I interviewed jet pilots that were

02:46:19.870 --> 02:46:22.750
solid people. Perfect. I mean, great pilots,

02:46:22.969 --> 02:46:25.809
great everything. And they said, we saw things,

02:46:25.809 --> 02:46:30.319
sir, that would... were very strange. Like a

02:46:30.319 --> 02:46:32.440
round ball, but it wasn't a comet or a meteor.

02:46:33.120 --> 02:46:36.459
It was something. And it was going four times

02:46:36.459 --> 02:46:39.280
faster than an F -22, which is a very fast plant,

02:46:39.280 --> 02:46:44.059
you know. And it was round, which is, in theory,

02:46:44.239 --> 02:46:47.040
a great shape. So when you were talking to these

02:46:47.040 --> 02:46:50.739
people, was this something that you were compelled

02:46:50.739 --> 02:46:52.500
to have conversations about? No. Was this your

02:46:52.500 --> 02:46:55.360
personal interest? A little bit. It's not a great

02:46:55.360 --> 02:46:57.040
interest for me, but it's a little interest.

02:46:57.399 --> 02:47:00.219
I get that question as much as almost any question.

02:47:00.420 --> 02:47:02.479
Do you think that we have aliens coming, you

02:47:02.479 --> 02:47:07.979
know, flying around or whatever? There's no reason

02:47:07.979 --> 02:47:10.200
not to I mean there's no reason not to think

02:47:10.200 --> 02:47:12.979
that Mars and all these planets don't have life

02:47:12.979 --> 02:47:15.600
You know because well Mars we've had probes there

02:47:15.600 --> 02:47:17.700
and rovers and I don't think there's any life

02:47:17.700 --> 02:47:19.219
there Well, maybe it's life that we don't know

02:47:19.219 --> 02:47:21.200
that well, maybe there was life there at one

02:47:21.200 --> 02:47:23.559
point in time This is a speculation about Mars

02:47:23.559 --> 02:47:26.860
that Mars had an atmosphere at one point in time

02:47:26.860 --> 02:47:29.079
a long time ago that could support life it also

02:47:29.079 --> 02:47:32.200
had large bodies of water, but we've had no evidence

02:47:32.200 --> 02:47:35.000
of even bacterial life that exists on Mars, but

02:47:35.569 --> 02:47:38.030
It's not been a big thing for me. I mean when

02:47:38.030 --> 02:47:40.149
I looked at what China did to this admit they

02:47:40.149 --> 02:47:41.709
would have never done it with me where they put

02:47:41.709 --> 02:47:43.950
the balloon up and a lot of people thought and

02:47:43.950 --> 02:47:45.430
a lot of people thought for a little while that

02:47:45.430 --> 02:47:47.690
that was right one of these things so that's

02:47:47.690 --> 02:47:49.370
a lot of the speculation too that some of these

02:47:49.370 --> 02:47:51.590
drones that hover over battleships that these

02:47:51.590 --> 02:47:54.290
are Chinese drones and that they're not UFOs

02:47:54.290 --> 02:47:55.950
they could be also there's some super sophisticated

02:47:55.950 --> 02:47:59.549
but I did interview Let's say three or four guys

02:47:59.549 --> 02:48:04.170
that and without tremendous interest if you had

02:48:04.170 --> 02:48:07.809
them As I said, you'd love to have me as your

02:48:07.809 --> 02:48:12.790
children solid beautiful people They said sir.

02:48:13.030 --> 02:48:15.010
There's something there. You know, they there's

02:48:15.010 --> 02:48:17.270
something there. Yeah. Yeah, I've talked to quite

02:48:17.270 --> 02:48:20.370
a few conspiracy guys Well, I mean the just the

02:48:20.370 --> 02:48:22.969
commander David Fravor thing in 2004 off the

02:48:22.969 --> 02:48:24.950
coast of San Diego They clocked that thing going

02:48:24.950 --> 02:48:27.590
from 50 ,000 feet above sea level to 50 in a

02:48:27.590 --> 02:48:29.940
second They don't know what it is. That's tough

02:48:29.940 --> 02:48:32.739
to beat. Yeah, they saw something in the water.

02:48:32.860 --> 02:48:34.540
It was hovering over that something that was

02:48:34.540 --> 02:48:37.180
making a disturbance in the water. They got video

02:48:37.180 --> 02:48:40.020
evidence of this thing. Two different fighter

02:48:40.020 --> 02:48:43.239
jets with pilots in them saw it. There's, you

02:48:43.239 --> 02:48:45.420
know, visual evidence, photographic evidence,

02:48:45.620 --> 02:48:47.920
video evidence, radar evidence, whatever the

02:48:47.920 --> 02:48:49.639
hell it is, it moves in a way that would turn

02:48:49.639 --> 02:48:51.520
a human being in a jello if they're inside of

02:48:51.520 --> 02:48:53.819
it. The G -Force, no one would survive. Oh, the

02:48:53.819 --> 02:48:56.500
G -Force. So what is that? And it doesn't have

02:48:56.500 --> 02:48:58.299
a heat signature. They don't know what their

02:48:58.299 --> 02:49:01.500
propulsion system was. But... When you fly in

02:49:01.500 --> 02:49:05.180
some of these jets... These pilots have to be

02:49:05.180 --> 02:49:07.319
in great shape. Oh, yeah, I flew with the Blue

02:49:07.319 --> 02:49:11.780
Angels once. Yeah And those are older machines

02:49:11.780 --> 02:49:14.500
and they're crazy when you when you fly in some

02:49:14.500 --> 02:49:19.360
of these things But these things that these people

02:49:19.360 --> 02:49:21.959
are encountering are far superior to what we

02:49:21.959 --> 02:49:25.239
know of yeah, is it possible that there's some

02:49:25.239 --> 02:49:29.040
military or government program that you weren't

02:49:29.040 --> 02:49:32.569
that they didn't tell you about I think I had

02:49:32.569 --> 02:49:34.989
a great relationship with the military basically,

02:49:35.030 --> 02:49:37.049
but you know, I didn't like certain people I

02:49:37.049 --> 02:49:39.030
would have gotten them out if I thought if I

02:49:39.030 --> 02:49:41.750
were If the election was different, I would have

02:49:41.750 --> 02:49:45.049
fired, you know All of them quickly some most

02:49:45.049 --> 02:49:48.270
of them I did fire Biden should have fired every

02:49:48.270 --> 02:49:52.110
military person involved with Afghanistan He

02:49:52.110 --> 02:49:53.829
should have had a lot of firings You know, if

02:49:53.829 --> 02:49:55.969
you look at him, he told Israel not to do anything

02:49:55.969 --> 02:49:58.010
at least Israel's not gonna looking at a bomb

02:49:58.010 --> 02:50:00.170
the way They would have been think if they listened

02:50:00.170 --> 02:50:02.940
to Biden They'd be waiting for a bomb to drop

02:50:02.940 --> 02:50:06.399
on their head right now. He's been wrong about

02:50:06.399 --> 02:50:08.219
so much. I guess you'd have to say that she's

02:50:08.219 --> 02:50:10.200
been wrong, too, because, you know, she always

02:50:10.200 --> 02:50:15.139
said they made the decision together. But Israel

02:50:15.139 --> 02:50:17.760
didn't follow his advice. And I think it was

02:50:17.760 --> 02:50:21.440
a very, you know, the Middle East is rapidly

02:50:21.440 --> 02:50:24.739
changing. You know, there are prophets that say

02:50:24.739 --> 02:50:27.719
the world will come to an end in the Middle East.

02:50:27.719 --> 02:50:32.180
You know that, right? We have weapons today that

02:50:32.180 --> 02:50:35.120
are so scary. When you look, I rebuilt them all.

02:50:35.879 --> 02:50:37.819
And when you look at the weapons we have today,

02:50:37.940 --> 02:50:40.079
the biggest threat we have in the world today

02:50:40.079 --> 02:50:43.040
is nuclear weapons. And we have other weapons,

02:50:43.219 --> 02:50:45.879
too, that are devastated. But the nuclear weapons,

02:50:45.959 --> 02:50:47.879
the biggest threat we have in the world today,

02:50:47.899 --> 02:50:51.959
and that's what you... I was talking about de

02:50:51.959 --> 02:50:55.059
-escalation with both China and Russia. I'm telling

02:50:55.059 --> 02:50:58.270
you... We were going to de -escalate. They were

02:50:58.270 --> 02:50:59.850
going to de -escalate. You've got to be careful.

02:51:00.110 --> 02:51:02.569
It's a little tricky playing with them because

02:51:02.569 --> 02:51:04.010
they say we're going to do it and they don't

02:51:04.010 --> 02:51:07.209
do it maybe. But they understood the curse, too.

02:51:07.270 --> 02:51:10.430
It's a curse. China's way behind us, but they'll

02:51:10.430 --> 02:51:13.010
catch us within five years. So let's imagine,

02:51:13.350 --> 02:51:16.430
let's say you win. in November, what do you do

02:51:16.430 --> 02:51:19.170
differently and how do you change this course

02:51:19.170 --> 02:51:21.909
that it seems we are on for World War Three?

02:51:22.149 --> 02:51:24.870
How do you get us out of Ukraine? How do you

02:51:24.870 --> 02:51:26.670
stop what's going on in the Middle East? How

02:51:26.670 --> 02:51:29.510
do you put a stop to this? Well, it's a very,

02:51:30.510 --> 02:51:32.530
to me it's an easy question because I think I

02:51:32.530 --> 02:51:34.670
can do it easily, but it's a complex question

02:51:34.670 --> 02:51:37.850
in the sense that the times change, everyday

02:51:37.850 --> 02:51:41.450
changes. Who's winning, who's not winning? I

02:51:41.450 --> 02:51:45.159
mean, Russia's a war machine. Whether you like

02:51:45.159 --> 02:51:48.180
it or not. It just grinds along grinds along

02:51:48.180 --> 02:51:51.239
you speak to people like Victor Orban He'll tell

02:51:51.239 --> 02:51:55.059
you it's just a big fat war machine, and that's

02:51:55.059 --> 02:51:56.479
what's happening. You look at what's happened

02:51:56.479 --> 02:51:59.719
to Ukraine If I were there it would have never

02:51:59.719 --> 02:52:02.100
happened, but what you what could you do now

02:52:02.100 --> 02:52:07.379
if you get into office? Right now you would get

02:52:07.379 --> 02:52:10.620
both of them. I know both very well And again,

02:52:11.280 --> 02:52:14.579
I do not want to tell you for the purpose of

02:52:14.579 --> 02:52:17.639
looking smart to five people that say, oh, he

02:52:17.639 --> 02:52:21.139
was great. Because if I told you exactly what

02:52:21.139 --> 02:52:24.559
I do, I could never make the deal. All I can

02:52:24.559 --> 02:52:26.280
tell you is that I would meet with Putin, and

02:52:26.280 --> 02:52:28.420
I would meet with him, and I know exactly what

02:52:28.420 --> 02:52:30.940
I'd say to each one of them. And I believe that

02:52:30.940 --> 02:52:33.719
as president -elect, I would get that war stopped

02:52:33.719 --> 02:52:37.879
and stopped fast. We have tremendous power in

02:52:37.879 --> 02:52:39.600
the United States, if you know how to use the

02:52:39.600 --> 02:52:42.899
power. I stopped other wars just by the use of

02:52:42.899 --> 02:52:47.040
tariffs. I got Macron of France. Good guy. He's

02:52:47.040 --> 02:52:50.180
like a friend of mine. But he's a wise guy. And

02:52:50.180 --> 02:52:52.819
he's a person that likes France, and he was going

02:52:52.819 --> 02:52:56.100
to tax our companies. And I sent all the smartest

02:52:56.100 --> 02:52:59.659
guys. I sent Mnuchin. They all failed me. And

02:52:59.659 --> 02:53:01.399
I said, I'll do it myself. And I called him.

02:53:01.559 --> 02:53:04.540
I said, Emmanuel. You're taxing American companies.

02:53:04.659 --> 02:53:06.340
We're not going to allow you to do that. Oh,

02:53:06.379 --> 02:53:08.360
Donald, I cannot do it. I don't think I could

02:53:08.360 --> 02:53:10.899
do it. It's already been passed. I said, Emmanuel,

02:53:11.579 --> 02:53:14.620
if you do that, I'm going to put 100 % tariff

02:53:14.620 --> 02:53:16.700
when your wines and champagnes are coming to

02:53:16.700 --> 02:53:19.600
the United States. And you're going to regret

02:53:19.600 --> 02:53:21.579
that you ever did it. He said, Donald, please,

02:53:21.600 --> 02:53:24.159
that's not fair. Anyway, within about two minutes,

02:53:24.180 --> 02:53:26.079
he dropped the whole thing. And it was massive

02:53:26.079 --> 02:53:28.139
amounts of money against American companies.

02:53:28.319 --> 02:53:31.959
I have to protect. So why doesn't the Biden administration

02:53:31.959 --> 02:53:33.920
do this? Because they're incompetent. They don't

02:53:33.920 --> 02:53:38.639
know how to talk. Look, they met in Alaska with

02:53:38.639 --> 02:53:43.079
the Chinese, and the Chinese lectured them about

02:53:43.079 --> 02:53:48.079
how badly we treat people. Right? Okay? I mean,

02:53:48.139 --> 02:53:50.379
think of it. You remember that day? It was like

02:53:50.379 --> 02:53:52.159
in America. They didn't talk to me that way.

02:53:52.819 --> 02:53:56.200
They respected me. They respected our country.

02:53:56.239 --> 02:53:58.000
They don't respect our country. They don't respect

02:53:58.000 --> 02:54:01.729
Biden. They don't respect her. They're dreaming

02:54:01.729 --> 02:54:05.389
about her because she's incompetent. She's not

02:54:05.389 --> 02:54:08.430
a smart person. Look, she can't put two sentences

02:54:08.430 --> 02:54:10.969
together. She talks. I watched her two nights.

02:54:11.430 --> 02:54:13.290
I watched her last night, too. It was the same

02:54:13.290 --> 02:54:16.829
thing. She's not a smart person. These guys are

02:54:16.829 --> 02:54:19.389
very smart and they're very streetwise and they're

02:54:19.389 --> 02:54:23.610
very tricky and evil and dangerous. And if she

02:54:23.610 --> 02:54:26.770
becomes the president of the United States, which

02:54:26.770 --> 02:54:30.239
I can't believe can happen, I don't think this

02:54:30.239 --> 02:54:32.200
country is going to make it. I don't think we'll

02:54:32.200 --> 02:54:36.579
ever be. I think just really bad things will

02:54:36.579 --> 02:54:38.760
happen to our country. And you know what, I look

02:54:38.760 --> 02:54:41.200
at the outside forces and I say they can all

02:54:41.200 --> 02:54:44.159
be handled because we have a pot of gold. But

02:54:44.159 --> 02:54:45.940
we're not going to have that pot of gold to play

02:54:45.940 --> 02:54:48.120
with anymore. You know, it's a great negotiating

02:54:48.120 --> 02:54:51.620
thing. I told you I knocked out this massive

02:54:51.620 --> 02:54:54.260
car company going to take all of our car business

02:54:54.260 --> 02:54:57.639
from Detroit. I knocked it out just by my rhetoric.

02:54:58.059 --> 02:55:01.440
Rhetorically, I said, they'll never sell a car

02:55:01.440 --> 02:55:03.299
in here. I'll put tariffs. I don't care. They're

02:55:03.299 --> 02:55:05.479
2 ,000 percent. They're never going to build

02:55:05.479 --> 02:55:07.299
that plant and knock it out. Is it possible to

02:55:07.299 --> 02:55:09.420
apply that same thing to the electronics that

02:55:09.420 --> 02:55:11.559
we use? One of the things that disturbs me greatly

02:55:11.559 --> 02:55:14.219
is that all of our phones are made overseas.

02:55:14.620 --> 02:55:16.040
And then some of our phones are made in places

02:55:16.040 --> 02:55:18.020
like... And the chips. Yes, and the chips and

02:55:18.020 --> 02:55:20.200
some of our phones are made in places like Foxconn

02:55:20.200 --> 02:55:21.819
where they have nets around the building to keep

02:55:21.819 --> 02:55:23.620
people from jumping off the roof because they

02:55:23.620 --> 02:55:26.100
have so many suicides Like wouldn't it be better

02:55:26.100 --> 02:55:28.399
to have an American made iPhone where you know,

02:55:28.559 --> 02:55:30.059
people are paid good wages. They have health

02:55:30.059 --> 02:55:32.159
insurance They're taken care of they can live

02:55:32.159 --> 02:55:35.079
a good life where you're not buying a piece of

02:55:35.079 --> 02:55:37.639
electronics That's cheaper because someone has

02:55:37.639 --> 02:55:40.159
to suffer a horrible in a horrible way. That's

02:55:40.159 --> 02:55:42.139
not even legal in the United States It's not

02:55:42.139 --> 02:55:44.059
even legal to have them work that way in the

02:55:44.059 --> 02:55:45.940
United States. So they get these people to build

02:55:45.959 --> 02:55:49.340
overseas you do it but but let me just say that

02:55:49.340 --> 02:55:52.340
chip deal so bad we put up billions of dollars

02:55:52.340 --> 02:55:54.920
for rich companies to come in and borrow the

02:55:54.920 --> 02:55:57.520
money and build chip companies here and they're

02:55:57.520 --> 02:55:59.319
not going to give us the good companies anyway

02:55:59.319 --> 02:56:02.319
all you had to do is charge them tariffs if you

02:56:02.319 --> 02:56:05.500
would have put a tariff on the chips coming in

02:56:05.500 --> 02:56:08.100
you would have been able to just like the auto

02:56:08.100 --> 02:56:11.100
companies no different more sophisticated but

02:56:11.100 --> 02:56:14.760
no different you know Taiwan they stole our chip

02:56:14.760 --> 02:56:18.559
business They want us to protect and they want

02:56:18.559 --> 02:56:20.659
protection. They don't pay us money for the protection,

02:56:20.799 --> 02:56:23.459
you know? The mob makes you pay money, right?

02:56:23.840 --> 02:56:27.260
But with these countries that we protect, I got

02:56:27.260 --> 02:56:30.299
hundreds of billions of dollars from NATO countries

02:56:30.299 --> 02:56:33.139
that were never paying us. And my biggest fan

02:56:33.139 --> 02:56:36.659
is Stoltenberg, who just left as the Director

02:56:36.659 --> 02:56:40.239
General, as the Secretary General. Good guy.

02:56:40.600 --> 02:56:43.100
He said Bush came. He made a speech. Obama came.

02:56:43.239 --> 02:56:45.020
He made a speech. Trump came. He said, you guys

02:56:45.020 --> 02:56:47.540
aren't paying. You got to pay. And they said,

02:56:47.579 --> 02:56:49.600
will you protect us from Russia if we don't?

02:56:49.620 --> 02:56:51.819
I said, no, you got to pay if you don't pay.

02:56:52.440 --> 02:56:56.680
Billions of dollars came in to NATO. When I see

02:56:56.680 --> 02:56:59.159
us paying a lot of money to have people build

02:56:59.159 --> 02:57:01.319
the chip, that's not the way. You didn't have

02:57:01.319 --> 02:57:03.120
to put up 10 cents. You could have done it with

02:57:03.120 --> 02:57:05.360
a series of tariffs. In other words, you tariff

02:57:05.360 --> 02:57:09.579
it so high. that they will come and build their

02:57:09.579 --> 02:57:12.319
chip companies for nothing. In other words, Joe,

02:57:12.979 --> 02:57:15.420
you put a big tariff on the chips coming in.

02:57:16.180 --> 02:57:17.799
I say, you don't have to pay the tariff. All

02:57:17.799 --> 02:57:19.819
you have to do is build your plant in the United

02:57:19.819 --> 02:57:22.000
States. We didn't have to give them the money

02:57:22.000 --> 02:57:24.940
to build a plant. Besides that, they're very

02:57:24.940 --> 02:57:27.840
rich companies, these chip companies. They stole

02:57:27.840 --> 02:57:32.280
95 % of our business. It's in Taiwan right now.

02:57:32.520 --> 02:57:34.459
They do a great job. But that's only because

02:57:34.459 --> 02:57:36.659
we have stupid politicians. We lost the chip

02:57:36.659 --> 02:57:39.100
business. And now we think we're going to pay.

02:57:39.459 --> 02:57:42.260
You can't build it that way. You have to make

02:57:42.260 --> 02:57:44.479
them spend their money in the United States.

02:57:44.600 --> 02:57:46.579
And those plants would open up all over. And

02:57:46.579 --> 02:57:48.059
they'll fund them. We don't have to put up 10

02:57:48.059 --> 02:57:51.260
cents. And I am in the process of making a huge

02:57:51.260 --> 02:57:53.780
speech in about a little while. And you and I,

02:57:53.780 --> 02:57:56.280
how long have we been talking? A long time. Let's

02:57:56.280 --> 02:57:58.239
go. About like three hours. I got to make a speech.

02:57:58.819 --> 02:58:00.780
But we'll do it again. I want to do it again

02:58:00.780 --> 02:58:04.139
with you. You are something. I said, how long

02:58:04.139 --> 02:58:07.360
will this last? Anywhere from? An hour to three

02:58:07.360 --> 02:58:09.000
or four hours. How long we do it, Jamie? Three

02:58:09.000 --> 02:58:11.360
hours. Good. Well, we'll do it again. I thought

02:58:11.360 --> 02:58:12.879
it was great. I think it's... I think it was

02:58:12.879 --> 02:58:14.479
great. It was a lot of fun. You are a fascinating

02:58:14.479 --> 02:58:18.139
guy, and you've done a great job. Thank you very

02:58:18.139 --> 02:58:19.479
much. And a big fan, and thank you very much.

02:58:19.500 --> 02:58:21.459
It's been an honor. It's been an honor to have

02:58:21.459 --> 02:58:22.760
you on as well. I'm going to make a great speech,

02:58:22.860 --> 02:58:25.399
and I'm going to say, and if I'm a little off

02:58:25.399 --> 02:58:27.299
tonight, I'm going to blame you. Blame me? I

02:58:27.299 --> 02:58:30.280
spoke to this guy for three hours. Anyway, it's

02:58:30.280 --> 02:58:31.700
a great honor to be with you. Thank you, sir.

02:58:32.059 --> 02:58:33.299
Thank you. Good luck to you. Thank you very much.

02:58:33.299 --> 02:58:35.639
Thank you. All right. Bye everybody.