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things I wanted to talk to you about, I wanted
to play this, but we decided we shouldn't play
it because it could get copyright strike and
we don't want to get the episode, we don't want
anybody to have any sort of way to get it down.
But it was the episode of you when you're on
the view and I think it was 2015 or 2006 like
when you were running for president, right and
You sat you got introduced as our friend. Donald
trump That's right. Whoopi Goldberg gives you
a big hug and a kiss. Joy Behar gives you a big
hug Barbara Walters gives you a big hug. They
all loved you they were all talking about how
your You might be You might be conservative in
your financial positions, but you're very liberal
socially they were talking about you as such
a favorable light the audience was cheering and
Then you actually started winning in the polls
and then the machine started working towards
you. Yeah, but it's there's probably no one history
that I've ever seen that's been attacked the
way you've been attacked and the way they've
done it so coordinated and systematically when
you see those same people in the past very favorable
to you like Oprah when you're on Oprah show very
she was encouraging you last week I did one of
her last shows I think maybe Thursday or Friday
there was a big deal being on Oprah's show the
last one and I was like one of the last shows
in that last that final week And I said, boy,
we've come a long way since that. What was it
like? Well, the concept, it was really like two
different lives. You know, I had a very wonderful
life, but I wanted to do this. The Apprentice
was still going very strong. We had 12 seasons
and we had actually 14 seasons, 12 years over.
They had a couple of them. Well, they canceled
The Apprentice when you were running for president,
correct? No, they had Arnold Schwarzenegger do
it. I was involved in that. Want I had enough
of it and we did great it was doing great, but
they wanted me to stay they all came to see me
They said we're gonna give you a contract They
wanted to extend my contract mark Burnett is
a great guy, then they wanted to extend the contract
mark said you're crazy Don't run don't run nobody
gives up primetime. They said you know it's one
of those little things which is Probably true
nobody gives a prime time though for being president
for for running well for running against 20 Some
of our people, you know, turned out to be 18.
18 professional people, you know, mostly politicians.
They said, who would do this? I mean, it's a
long shot. Actually, the heads of NBC came over.
The Paul Talegni, all the top people came over
to see me, try and talk me out of it, because
they wanted to have me extend. The Apprentice
was doing well. So it was 14 seasons. It was
12 years. We had one, two seasons where we had
a double, which rarely happens. It was just a
hot show. And I said, you know, I want to do
this. What happened is previously, like three
years, four years before that, they did a poll.
They had Mitt Romney. And somehow they put me
in a poll. And I blew everybody away. I blew
him away, which isn't that hard, frankly. But
I blew everybody away. And I said, that's interesting,
because I never really gave it that much real
thought. I thought about it, but never real thought.
But I saw these polls were very good. And so
I was thinking about doing it then, but I had
a contract with the apprentice, plus I was building
two big buildings at the time, and I wanted to
make sure they got finished up properly, and
it was one of those things. The kids were just
sort of getting involved. They're very capable
kids, but they were getting involved early on.
So I did that. I got them done. I had some very
good successes. And I came on, and then I thought
about it for the next one after the Romney disaster.
And I ran, and I won against Hillary. It was
quite an experience, but it was a different life
because you're right the view I was on the view
many many times and They loved me just the way
people would talk I mean even if people had criticisms
about you people that didn't like you there was
always feuds and stuff like that, but the reality
was The thing turned on you when they found out
that you were going to be president. It was very
coordinated. And some people are catching on
to that now. There's a lot of people that were
long -time Democrats like Elon and Bill Ackman
and all these different, very intelligent people.
And they support me now. Bill Ackman supports
me. He's been very supportive too. This is what
I wanted to ask you. What was it like? when you
actually got in? Because nobody really can prepare
you for that. When you're running for president,
you don't really know what it's going to be like
when you actually get into office. What was the
— what did you think it was going to be like?
So, do you mean in office or when I decided to
run? No, when you got in. When I was in. So,
when I was in and won and was in the White House,
essentially. Yes. Well, first of all, it was
very surreal. You know, it's very interesting.
When I got shot, it wasn't surreal. That should
have been surreal. When I was laying on the ground,
I knew exactly what was going on. I knew exactly
where I was hit. They were saying you were hit
all over the place because there was so much
blood from the ear. You would know that better
than anyone. When they get the ear torn off...
Ears bleed a lot. Anyway, so... And I was thinking
the other day, when that happened, I really knew
where I was. I knew exactly what happened. I
said I wasn't hit anywhere else. With the presidency,
it was a very surreal experience, okay? And what's
day one like? You win, you get inaugurated. Holy
shit, I'm the president. Yeah, that's what happened.
So I'm driving down Pennsylvania Avenue. I just
built a building on Pennsylvania. You know, the
hotel, the old post office it was. We called
it Trump National Hotel. And we sold it to the
Waldorf Historia. And it was a wonderful thing.
But I'm driving down, I'm passing the hotel.
You've never seen so many motorcycles, police,
military. You know, it was a major thing. I got
off really the first time I used Air Force One,
landed, and we're coming down, and it was very
beautiful. I mean, it was incredible. And we're
going down Pennsylvania Avenue in the opposite
direction. You know, normally you're used to
going one way, and all of a sudden you're going
the other way. The street was loaded up, and
I wanted to go out. And I wanted to wave to everybody,
but that wasn't smart. You know, the kids, a
little bit dangerous, right? I mean, when you
watch, like, Kennedy and some of these, right?
But I really felt, I don't know, the love was
so crazy. And so, I did get out of the car for
a brief, you know, just for a very short walk.
I thought it was very important to do. And Melania
got out with her beautiful dress on that became
sort of a staple. It was, people loved it. And
Baron and we're... walking down the street. But
where it really got amazing, we get to the White
House, and now it's a little bit before dark,
beautiful. And we went up to the President's
quarters. They call them the presidential quarters.
And I'm standing in this beautiful hallway. You
know, it's funny, nobody ever talks about the
White House as being beautiful inside. You know,
you think it's going to be everything's going
to be all metal doors and stuff. It's not. It's
so beautiful. I made my money largely on luxury.
The hallway is like 25 feet wide. The ceiling
heights are, you know, it's so beautiful. But
I was standing there and I said to the guys,
I want to see the Lincoln bedroom. I had never
seen the Lincoln bedroom. I'd heard about the
Lincoln bedroom. And I was standing with my wife.
I said, do you believe it? This is the Lincoln
bedroom. I mean, it was like... It was it was
amazing because it's Look if you love the country,
but here you are the Lincoln bedroom and the
bed, you know, he's very tall He was six foot
six, which then would be like Like Baron, right?
Would be like Baron Trump. He's six nine, but
six foot six He was very tall then on top of
that he were there it is. He wore that. Yeah,
there it is It's a long bed elongated bed And
because very, you know, people were shorter than
you see. Some of the chairs are very, very low
to the ground, actually. But he had the long
bed and they had you had the Gettysburg address
right on that right under that. You can't see
it here, but right there, the original version
of the Gettysburg address. And this is the original.
And I'm looking and I just looked around. I said,
do you believe this? Because. First of all, even
if you were a politician, but I was never a politician.
I sort of just started, right? Right. And all
of a sudden I'm standing in the White House.
And it was very, very surreal. That room was
so beautiful to me, much more beautiful than
it actually is. You know, to me, when I looked
at the bed, and the bed you could see was a little
bit longer, had to be a little bit longer, he
lost his son. And they suffered, the two of them
suffered from melancholia. They didn't call it
depression. They called it melancholia, and they
suffered from it. He was a very depressed guy,
and she was a very depressed woman, more so than
him. And on top of that, they lost their son,
whose name was Tad, Tad. And it was just seeing
it in a little picture, a little tiny picture.
I mean, you can't see the details there. A little
tiny, everything at the wedding was a little
tiny picture of Tad, who he lost. And it was
devastating. And he was, you know, he was...
Look, he was in a war. And he was having a hard
time because he couldn't beat Robert E. Lee.
Robert E. Lee won, like, 13 battles in a row.
And he was getting, like, a phobia, like a fighter.
You know, not about the fight stuff. But, like,
I went to a UFC fight, and it was a champion
who was 14 -1, about a year ago. You would know
the names. 14 and 1 and the only guy he lost
to was this one guy but the guy that he was fighting
was like Almost just an average fighter lost
numerous times, but he beat this one guy So I
said, okay, I really don't know who you're talking
about. I will figure it out Okay, but about a
year ago, but the point is that he lost he wasn't
nearly the fighters though, but The one who was
not nearly the fighter had beaten. He's the only
guy that beat them the champ like five years
before And I said, I'll take the guy that won
the other fight. And that's what happened. You
beat him a second time. Sometimes psychological
advances. No, what is this crazy thing? Lincoln
had a, I don't know, I've never read this. I
heard it from people in the White House who really
understand what was going on with the whole life
of the White House. But Lincoln had the yips.
about, in a way, as the golfers would say, he
had a phobia about Robert E. Lee. He said, I
can't beat Robert, because Robert E. Lee won
many battles in a row. He was just beating the
hell out of him. You know, they tried to get
Robert E. Lee to be on the North, but he said,
no, I have to be with my state, you know, and
the state was his whole thing. And he went to
the South. And he was, I've had generals tell
me, we have some great generals, the real generals,
not the ones you see on television, the ones
that beat ISIS with me. We defeated ISIS in record
time. It was supposed to take years, and we did
it in a matter of weeks. These are great generals.
These are tough guys. These are not woke guys.
But their favorite general in terms of genius
was Robert E. Lee. In terms of strategy, you
mean? Strategy, strategically. He took a war
that should have been over in a few days, and
it was years of hell, a vicious war. So here
I am standing there, and again, I had never really
done this before. You know, I ran. I ran a number
of months before I won. I probably, I guess if
you figure max it out, it would be a year, something
like that. So I had never run for office. And
I did well. I mean, I went into debates. We had
18 people, including me, and then slowly but
surely they started to disappear. We had debates,
good debates. Everyone's aware all this stuff.
What I want to get to is like what was the experience
once you got inside? It was just what did you
think it was gonna be like in terms of like your
ability to govern? Yeah, like this is your first
experience governing anything. You've never been
a governor. You've never been a mayor Yeah, right
private private stuff business. Yeah, but now
all of a sudden whether they're inside the White
House the biggest thing was just that first moment
of Being in this hallowed. It was really a hallowed
place to me It was surreal is beyond to me. That's
that was the experience. It was a surreal experience
and then with time that wears off with time it
becomes you know your place where you stay and
right I was doing a lot of I was I had two things
that I really focused on governing the country
and survival Because from the moment I won Before
I got to office all of a sudden it I mean they
came down I mean nobody has ever been treated
that way and And you see that I mean you see
we're in the Washington Post very early on they
said well now the impeachment stuff starts And
it did I mean it literally started from the beginning
so I had survival and run the nation I had a
combination most people don't have the survival
they get in What did you expect though in terms
of like once you got inside you had a point all
these people. How many appointments did you have
to make in a very short amount of time? Well,
you have actually 10 ,000 appointments. Now,
they're different. You know, you have big ones,
and then they appoint 100 people and 200 people.
But the president really is involved with approximately
10 ,000 appointments. So you'll appoint a secretary
of state, and he or she will appoint a lot of
people. So it's a lot. But in terms of major
ones, you probably have like 100, but they're
big ones. Treasury, state. military. And how
did you know who to appoint? Well, I didn't.
I had no experience. I was there 17 times in
Washington and I never stayed over. According
to the press, which I think is probably right,
over the years I was only there 17 times, I never
stayed over. So now I'm sitting there, I'm saying...
This place is gorgeous, but you know, I don't
know anybody. It's like you. You know, you go
to certain areas and other areas, they may be
great. Washington was great. Washington's not
so great right now. We got to fix it. We got
to make it better. A very dangerous place, very
badly maintained place. We're going to make it
great. We're going to make it better. We're going
to bring it back. But I wasn't a Washington guy.
I was a New York guy. I was a New York builder,
and I built buildings in New York, and I knew
that whole world, but I didn't know the Washington
world too well. and all of a sudden you're supposed
to be appointing top people, so. What did you
think it was going to be like? Versus, like,
did you have any ideas of what it was going to
be like, and what was different? Well, I was
always involved in politics, but usually from
the standpoint of a donor. I was a donor. You
know, I was a big donor. I gave money to politicians.
I enjoyed politics. Mostly Democrats, right?
Both, really. Pretty much both. I actually have
pictures of Ronald Reagan and me when I was very
young. Were you a Democrat until, like, what
year? I was a Democrat... I could get you the
exact but the the early 90s the early 90s I switched
over eventually actually They had a reform party.
I was thinking about doing that for a little
while But then fortunately I didn't because it's
very hard, you know, it's a two -party system
And anytime you hear third party, I know you
like RFK Jr. and so do I. He's a fantastic guy.
I do, but I thought that being an independent
was nonsense. It doesn't work. It doesn't work
because even if you do great, you're not going
to get Congress. In other words, you need now
to say, OK, now I'll get half of Congress. They're
never going to vote for you. So even if you got
there, which is very hard. And I know how you
feel about Bobby, and I feel the same way, and
he's now with us, but it doesn't, it's pure and
simple, it's a two -party system. And somebody,
I won't mention his name, but somebody spent
$250 million trying to get the nomination as
a reform party candidate or whatever, and they
got just nowhere. You just get eaten, the system
eats you alive. So it was really somebody that
not only was new to Washington, but was new to
politics. So in the office of the presidency,
over the years, all those presidents, you've
had 92 % were politicians and 8 % were generals.
General Eisenhower, General Washington, right?
General George Washington, he had generals. So
it's 8 % generals, no admirals, 8 % generals.
92 percent politicians, you know, they're politicians
and they go on so they never had a business guy
Or they never had a guy that wasn't elected to
an office They were all like Ronald Reagan was
really he was a movie actor and then it but he
became the governor of California for I think
two terms and then he ran So you'd never had
a thing like this, but I you know in terms of
me and some sometimes I'd use it as an excuse
and I don't like having excuses actually, but
I use it as an excuse and I had to rely on people
that I respected or liked, but that I didn't
know that well because I didn't know them that
well. Some of those people I campaigned against,
because when you have 18 people, we had mostly
politicians running in the election, running
in the primaries, and they got knocked out one
by one. But I got to like some of them. Some
of them I didn't like at all, and I don't like
them now. And I'd rely on them and I'd rely on
other people. So all of a sudden people would
come in. I'd like to recommend so -and -so to
be Secretary of State. And I'd have three, four
people recommend. One thing I can tell you, everybody
wants the position. Of course. No, no, but sometimes
they'll hear, a lot of people don't want to work
with Trump because Trump is tough to work with,
et cetera. Let me tell you, everybody wants to
be any one of these positions. They'd die for
it. Of course. Now, they don't want to be known.
I mean, there's a particular guy in New York,
primarily, very big, very big, very successful,
very strong, very political, although he's not
a politician. He'd give anything to be Secretary
of State, but if they ask him, no, I don't think
I would do it, but in the meantime, begging for
it, okay, begging. They all, everybody, look,
everybody wants it. By the way, no matter what
you do. Every but it's very dangerous to pick
somebody outside of a politician because a politician
has been basically vetted for years right you
pick a business guy And they've never been vetted
at all and they're you know the head of a big
company or something But they've never been vetted
you know nothing about his personal life You
know nothing about where he's been when you put
him in it's a little bit dangerous because All
of a sudden, they get checked up, and you hear
things that you're saying, wow, this is not going
to work out too well. So it's very dangerous.
Picking people that are outside of politics is
somewhat dangerous. So you're kind of stuck in
a position where you have to pick established
people. And then the problem with established
people is established people are already indoctrinated
into the system. And they're stiffs, in many
cases. They're stiffs. They're survivors. I find
that, you know... What do you mean by stiffs?
When you say stiffs... They're stiff. They don't
have... They have nothing, or they're smart and
survive. One little thing. So there was a congressman
years before I ran, and I was very close to him.
And I needed a license on something, and he was
very important in getting the license. But it
was a little bit controversial, the license,
this particular thing that was being licensed.
But I was close to this guy and helped him and
everything else. And I went to him. I said, I'd
like to have your help. And he said, Let me take
a look at it. I said, oh, that's not too good
But I really hope you're gonna help anyway He
tapped me along for a long period of time and
ultimately didn't do it and I said you are a
stiff You could have done this thing so easy
etc, but it was controversial He was in Congress
for many years like 28 years and you know There's
a reason when somebody's there for 28 years.
You got to be sort of smart, right? You know,
you have a survival and I realized he was a survivor
And so they never do anything controversial.
They never take any chances or speak their opinion.
It's outside of the... Yeah. And yet I don't
disrespect him for it. I actually respected the
guy more in a way, in a certain way. Because
he did survive. You know what? He's been there
like for 28 years. And he made it through. A
lot of people don't make it through. It's a good
way for non -exceptional people to survive. Well,
it is. It certainly is. So you're in there. You
have 10 ,000 appointments you have to make. So
you're getting advice from people. And at one
point in time, did you have a moment in time
where you realized, like, these are bad choices,
like some of these people I shouldn't have had
in there? Oh, yeah. I think... So the one question
that you'll ask me, that I think you'll ask me,
that people seem to ask, and I always come up
with the same answer. The one mistake, because
I had a lot of success. Great economy, great
everything. Everything was great. The military
rebuilt it, biggest tax cuts in history, all
this stuff. We had a great presidency. Three
Supreme Court justices. Most people get none.
You know, you pick them young. This way, they're
there for 50 years, right? So, you know, even
if a president is there for eight years, oftentimes
they never have a chance. I had three. It was
sort of the luck of the draw. But I will say
that it always comes back to the same answer.
The biggest mistake I made was I picked some
people. I picked some great people, you know,
but you don't think about that. I picked some
people that I shouldn't have picked. I picked
a few people that... I shouldn't have picked.
Neocons? Yeah, neocons, or bad people, or disloyal
people, or... People that were just bad. You
got bad advice. Yeah. I mean, you're reading
about them a little bit today. A guy like Kelly
who was a bully, a bully, but a weak person,
you know. You know more about bullies than anybody
probably around because you deal in a certain
sport where the bullies are exposed very quickly.
Yeah. But you know... He's bad Bolton was an
idiot, but he was great for me because I'd go
in with a guy like a John Bolton You know John
Bolton friend of my cult called me up. I was
picking Bolton. He's a very smart guy His name
is Phil Ruffin. He's a very rich guy from Las
Vegas one of the he's a great card player He
doesn't play cards, but he's a great player.
You know he's just a natural I got poker sense
right you know good old poker sense and Phil
Ruffin is is a very very wise kind of a guy and
very one of the richest people around, and has
had great success and understands people. So
it was in that I was picking Bolton, or I picked
Bolton, he called up. He said, don't pick him.
Why? He's a bad guy. Now he wasn't in politics
at all. He's in various businesses. He said,
he's a bad guy. He's just, it always works out
bad with that guy. And I said, oh man, I wish
you told me this two weeks ago. I already hired
him. You know, he's here. And he was right. But
he was good in a certain way. He's a nut job.
And every time I had to deal with a country,
when they saw this whack job standing behind
me, they said, oh, man, Trump's going to go to
war with us. He was with Bush when they went
stupidly into the Middle East. They should have
never done it. I used to say it as a civilian.
So I always got more publicity than other people.
And it wasn't like I was trying. In fact, Don't
know exactly why maybe you can tell me what I
could definitely tell you you said a lot of wild
shit maybe Wild shit and then CNN in there all
their brilliance by highlighting your wild shit
made you much more popular Yeah, and they boosted
you in the polls because people were tired of
someone talking in this bullshit, pre -prepared,
politician lingo. And even if they didn't agree
with you, they at least knew whoever that guy
is, that's him. That's really him. When you see
certain people talk, certain people in the public
eye, you don't know who they are. You have no
idea who they are. It's very difficult to know.
You see them in conversations. They have these
pre -planned answers. They say everything. It's
very rehearsed. You never get to the meat of
it. One of the beautiful things about you is
that you free ball, like you get out and you
do these huge events and you're just talking
and you're making, we've highlighted you on the
show many times where you, when you did this
Biden impression where he's walking around, he
doesn't know what he's doing. It's funny. It's
stand up. It's funny stuff. But it's like you,
and you're making fun of Elon one time, you're
doing an Elon impression. It's great. You have
like comedic instincts. Like when you said to
Hillary, you'd be in jail. Like that's great
timing. But it's like that kind of stuff was
unheard of as a politician. Like, no one had
done that. And I think... You know what's funny?
You need at least the attitude of a comedian
when you're doing this business. This is a very
dangerous business, first of all. It's a very
tough business. It's the most dangerous business.
Well, for a job? Yes. I mean, other than going
to war and being a firefighter or being a cop,
it's the most dangerous business. It's the most
dangerous. Being president is the most dangerous.
Especially you. I mean, you haven't even got
to the election. There's been two assassination
attempts, and they've brushed those out of the
news like it was nothing. Yeah, they'd rather
not talk about them. Imagine if there was an
assassination attempts on Biden, how hard people
would be attacking the right, how they would
be trying to get guns taken away from people.
They would try to ramp up gun laws. They would
try to figure out some way to blame you. If there
was a tax on if Biden got shot in the ear, we
would have never heard the end of it. But I think
he's in good shape because it's only kind of
sequential presidents. If you take a look at
what's happened, look, I'm for having countries
pay us billions and billions and trillions even
dollars. I took in hundreds of billions of dollars
from China. Nobody took in 10 cents, not one
other president. I do things that make it, I
mean, that don't necessarily make me so popular.
I just do what's right. And when you do that,
you know, you're more, look at Iran. We would
have never had the attack on Israel at all. Iran
was broke. I told China, if you buy, you can't
do business in the United States under any circumstances.
We're going to go cold Turkey with China. Some
people think that would have been a good idea
anyway. But if you buy any oil, one barrel of
oil from them, you're not doing business. I said
that to many countries. Iran was broke. They
had no money for Hezbollah. They had no money
for Hamas. They had no money. But I make myself,
you know, I mean, I understand what I'm doing.
You make yourself a target. And it's a very dangerous
business. But if you just look at statistically,
so I said I sort of think I don't know if it's
right, but one tenth of one percent for a race
car driver. Yeah, it's pretty dangerous business,
right? Yeah. One tenth of one percent. For a
bull rider, I tell you, to me, these guys that
ride the bulls is worse than UFC. These guys,
you see these big monster bulls and you see it
in slow motion where the foot is like, you know,
an inch away from the head. If it hits them,
the guy's gone. But they die, you know, they
die. So one -tenth of one percent die, is that
what you're saying? Yeah, one -tenth of one percent
die. Right. And they certainly get hurt badly,
really. I mean, they can't walk after a certain
period of time. But with a president, if you
look at... The amount of assassination attempts.
And attempts, too. And attempts. No, it's a very
dangerous position. I never thought of that,
by the way, when I did it. You know, you don't
tend to... Did you just assume because people
loved you on The Apprentice they were gonna love
you as a president? Well, I figured it would
be so easy. You know, it's very interesting.
Well, it probably would have been if the media
didn't attack you the way they did. If they didn't
conflate you with Hitler. I mean, even today,
like, Kamala was talking about you and Hitler.
They're gonna take what you said about Robert
E. Lee. Oh, Donald Trump was just the South One.
Oh, he loves Robert E. Lee. That's right. He
loves Robert. They love to take things out of
context and distort things. But they don't even
have to take them out. They make them up entirely.
OK, they do that too. But you know, it's interesting
when you mentioned the I was very popular and
and all those people love me. I mean, this some
of these these women, they're so they're so stupid
and joy. She would every time she'd see me like
I'd be in. the theater or something. You have
to be on the show again. Come on, come on, let's
go. She loved you. Love me that episode where
people should watch that episode just to see
what we're talking about Like I said, we don't
want to get a copyright strike. So we're not
gonna put it up. But if you watch the episode,
it's bananas It's like an alternative universe
and it's only but whoopie nine years ago whoopie
Loved you gives you a hug and a kiss and how
about that other one the new one on there? The
the one from my administration. She writes me
a letter. You're the greatest president She leaves,
you know, she worked as like an assistant press
secretary. I hardly knew her But she leaves and
she writes me this gorgeous letter. What's her
name? She was, I don't even know. Anyway, she
was in the administration. She's on now currently.
Sits on the far right -hand side, whatever the
hell her name is. And she writes a letter, the
most beautiful letter. She's quoted in the paper.
He's a consequential. He was the greatest president,
blah, blah, blah. Then all of a sudden she goes
to an interview and she started hitting the hell
out of me. Because they won't hire unless I've
had many people go on CNN and they call said
I don't know what to do what They want to pay
me a lot, but I have to be negative and you I
said be negative. That's okay There are guys
on like CNN. They won't hire them Sean Duffy
is a you know, congressman and he retired He
got a good job with CNN, but he was only positive
about Trump So they kept him but they would never
put him on I mean, I respect what he did. He
could have gone, you know negative I tell people
Go negative. Let my friends make the money. It's
so crooked. The press is so crooked. It's crooked,
but it's also, they're diminishing themselves.
They're hurting themselves. They're killing all
their credibility. And it's opening up the credibility
to new media. It's opening up the credibility
to independent media. The worst I've ever seen,
though, and I've seen the worst. I mean, I've
been a part of it. I've seen the worst. Kamala
goes on, 60 minutes, gave an answer that a child
wouldn't give. It was so bad. and 60 minutes
took the answer out. They took the whole, and
they put another answer in. They edited it deceptively.
Which didn't make sense either, but it was better.
They took the, well, it wasn't editing, it was
fraud. This was not editing. You know, editing
is where I'll give an answer and they'll take
a couple of words and change them around, or
they might even take a sentence or two off, which
is very bad. But that's, it's sort of bad. You
know, I'd give an answer, which was a very good
answer. I always talk about, you know, I like
to give long the weave. You know, I like to hear
that. Yeah, you like to weave things in. But
when you do the weaves, and you have to be very
smart to do weaves, when you do the weave, look
at this, just in this one thing, we're talking
about little pieces over here, but it always
ends up, gotta get back to home. No, no, it comes
back home for the right people. For the wrong
people, it doesn't come back home and they end
up in the wilderness, right? But they can take
my answer, and you know what, they may take a
little piece of it out or something, and they
use the term, yes, we want to save time. Well,
it's not, but. I've never heard. I think it's
the biggest scandal in broadcast history. What
happened to CBS? So you have CBS 60 Minutes.
That's a news program. It's not an entertainment
program. It's under their news. It's the head
of their news thing. She gives an answer that
shows that she's essentially incompetent. And
they took the answer. Could you imagine them
doing that for me? We can show it if you want
people to see it. Can we show it? No? We get
in trouble. We'll get copyright strike. OK, I'll
listen. Anyone can find it. But it's it's drastic.
But what was interesting was the other full version
was available initially. It was like a preview.
Somebody made a big mistake. Somebody put that
preview out. Some kid put the preview out. Exactly.
And then the bosses did this or that. And then
all of a sudden said, we got a problem. Exactly.
And then they got caught by mistake. Well, don't
you think that's a bit to me? And don't forget,
this is election interference and fraud. And
it's 60 minutes. It's their news division. It's
a big deal. They give those licenses out, Joe,
for free. They should pay a fortune. They're
worth a fortune. They give them out for free
because they're using the public airwaves. With
cable, you don't have that. Cable's different.
But it's just a different deal. But with the
networks, they're worth billions of dollars.
They give them out free. But you have to be honest
and all. That was bad. I think that David Muir
and that woman that was aside, I never even heard
of her, but they kept interrupting me. It was
like, I said, how many people am I debating here?
I got this one and I got you two. But he went
after me 11 different times. You know, it's interesting.
I always thought he was a nice guy, but he's
just like the rest of them, you know? That's
his job, unfortunately, and I'm sure what they
want. You're right. Well, the problem was they
fact checked you and they didn't fact check her.
And one of the most egregious examples of that
was when she said that there is there are no
troops right now deployed in war zones. There's
a very famous viral video that went online of
troops in a war zone saying, well, what the fuck
are we then? Because there's thousands of them.
Dan Crenshaw, the congressman, posted on his
Instagram. all of the various examples of troops
that are deployed, thousands and thousands of
troops that are currently deployed. But the point
is, if this is going to be an actual real debate
and not a propaganda exercise, if it's going
to be a real debate, you have to fact check everybody.
Like if someone says maybe she thought there
was no, which is also a problem. So it's one
of two things. It's either it was Not true. It
was a lie on purpose, which is terrible. Or it
was the opposite. It was ignorance, which is
also terrible. Well, Joe, when I said crime is
soaring, he said, no, no, crime has gone down.
I said, where did you hear that one? Crime has
gone down. I mean, I'm debating with this guy,
but I've had that. Well, there was amended FBI
statistics that came out after that that showed
that crime had gone up substantially. And by
the way, the statistics were fraud. Because when
they put out the statistics, they didn't include
some of the worst places. They didn't include
some of the worst cities, some of the most deadly
places. But when the real numbers came out, I
turned out to be right. You turned out to be
right, but then there's another problem. Unreported
crime is way up. Because people have lost, look,
the morale that the police department has in
a lot of these cities where they've done this
defund the police bullshit, the morale of these
poor cops, it's fucking horrible. It's the dumbest
idea of all time. But what they've done is they've
made these cops feel terrible, like good cops.
I think cops are just like everybody else. Most
of them are great. It's like everybody else.
But if you run into one carpenter and he does
a shitty job in your house, he'd say, carpenters
fucking suck. But they don't suck. Most of them
are great. And that's a key thing with cops.
But the point is, like, they did all of these
things in this very foolish way. And these cops
are suffering the consequences of it. And so,
subsequently, what happens is a lot of crime
is unreported. A lot of crime, like, you call
the cops. They're too busy. They can't even get
to you. Or your house got broken into. Sorry.
You know, it doesn't even make a report. There's
a lot of people that they just give up. It's
so sad what's happened. And I'll tell you what.
I go to police funerals, and we went to one in
Long Island. I visited the family in Long Island.
A very big deal. It's so dangerous. People don't
realize. The car, dark windows, pull over. He's
a gentleman. Please pull over. Door opens. Guy
comes out firing. Even if they were allowed to
pull out their gun, which they're not, they can't,
you know, pull out their gun. They still wouldn't
have time. It's every cop's worst nightmare.
They open the door. And he was killed and his
partner was hurt he was killed and you don't
have I mean you don't even have an eighth of
a second to think and It is such a dangerous
job that in particular think of it you go up
to a car You don't know who's sitting there with
a gun and if they have a gun you really don't
have a chance You're not allowed to have your
gun out by the way. Yep. They're very strict
rules So number one there, but even if you could
have your gun out The door opens and bullets
start firing out, especially where they have
the dark windows, where they have the darkened
windows. It is such a dangerous profession. And
it's very hard to get cops now because they're
not given any backup. And you're right. They
have like an eighth of a second to make a decision
that's going to change their life. If they make
the wrong decision, they're going to end up on
the front page of every newspaper in the country.
And they're going to lose their house, and their
pension, and their job, and their wife is going
to be gone, and everything is going to be gone?
Absolutely. And here's another thing that people
don't talk about. How many of them have PTSD?
Probably most of them. These guys are seeing
people shot all the time. I've talked to a ton
of cops about it. A lot of cops commit suicide.
A lot of cops are deeply depressed. But we have
to give them back their dignity. We just have
to give a backseat. You said it's so good. You
never hear anybody say that. You're never going
to have it perfect. You're going to have a bad
apple. In everything. In every profession. But
every time there's a bad apple, that gets massive
publicity. It taints everybody else. But it's
also this very irresponsible thing where people
say, defund the police, get rid of the police.
Even Kamala Harris was a part of that. It's a
very stupid way to look at it. What you should
do is fund the police. You should have better
training. You should have cops that feel more
appreciated. You should have something that helps
mitigate this PTSD that all of them suffer through.
She was a big part of defund the police. That
was a big thing for her, defund the police. Always
defund the police. Well, it's a political idea,
right? But anybody with that political thought,
I don't think should be running for president.
And I think people are getting wise to it. You
know, we're doing pretty well now. I don't know.
Maybe in a week from now, say, sorry about that.
I was wrong. But we're leading everything. And
I think we're going to have a very good election.
But I tell people, because people are starting
to get to know her. But she was to fund the police.
She was to all these transgender operations.
You know, if you wanted a sex change and you
were in detention and you demanded a sex change,
they would give you a sex change. Well, the wildest
one is this idea of giving free sex change to
illegal immigrants. That's right. In detention.
That is the wildest thing. Is that the biggest
problem you have? You just walked here from Guatemala.
You need to become a girl. But she was in favor
of it. Yes. So think of it. Now, she changed.
She changed 15 policies. In fact, I'm going to
send her a MAGA cap. She stole your idea about
no tax for tips. I came up with this idea that,
honestly, nobody ever heard of. Now, it took
her two months, but you know what? It caught
fire. And she just put it into a little speech.
But I think we still have that issue. I think
that issue is a good one for us. No, we have
a lot of good issues. You know, we had the other
day. Think of how simple some of these things
are. We're trying to get cars built in the United
States. Detroit has been really tough. It's been
a disaster. They have a huge factory, a huge
car auto plant being built by China in Mexico.
Make cars, sell them in the United States, put
everybody out of business, right? Here we go
again. I said, if that plant is there when I'm
president, I will put 100 or 200 percent tariffs
on every car. They'll be unsaleable in the United
States. And they just announced they're not going
to build the plant because they think I'm going
to win. Think of it. They're not going to build
the plant. This was the biggest plant in the
world. More than all of Michigan makes. That's
how big. You know, this is what we're getting
to. And I said, if that plan goes up, I want
them to understand, if I win... I'm going to
tax those cars at the rate of 100 or 200 percent
apiece so that you won't be able to sell them
in the United States. They just announced they're
not going to build the plant. Yeah, I read that.
I did a big favor for our country by doing that.
And I'm not even there yet. To me, the most beautiful
word, and I've said this for the last couple
of weeks in the dictionary today, is the word
tariff. It's more beautiful than love. It's more
beautiful than anything. It's the most beautiful
word. This country can become rich with the use,
the proper use of tariffs. It'll keep - Did you
just float out the idea of getting rid of income
taxes and replacing it with tariffs? Well, okay.
Were we serious about that? Yeah, sure. But why
not? Because we - ready? Our country was the
richest in the - relatively, in the 1880s and
1890s. A president who was assassinated named
McKinley. He was the tariff king. He spoke beautifully
of tariffs. His language was really beautiful.
We will not allow the enemy to come in and take
our jobs and take our factories and take our
workers and take our families unless they pay
a big price and the big price is tariffs. And
he'd speak like that, but he was right. And then
around in the early 1900s, they switched over
stupidly to, frankly, an income tax. You know
why because countries were putting a lot of pressure
on America. We don't want to pay tariffs Please
don't you know they believe me they control our
politicians if you look at the kind of numbers
that these guys make then and now but we had
a commission meeting in the Eight I think was
1887 think of this problem We were so rich. We
had so much money. We didn't know what to do.
So they set up a blue ribbon commission on tariffs,
and the sole purpose is what to do with all the
money we had. We were so rich because we were
taxing other people for coming in and taking
our jobs. And China does it. That's what China
did. If you want to open a factory and sell cars,
if you build a factory here or have a factory,
they don't take our cars. They wouldn't take
our cars. But if you build a plant in China,
You can do that Elon did that by the way Elon
is great. That guy is such a great guy I think
you're a fan alone. He is from a different planet.
He's the greatest guy that rocket coming in.
Yeah I'm I'm I told the story once or twice So
you may have heard it because he speeches have
been good. Did you see the one last night? Yeah,
29 ,000 people that was it Yeah, and the one
the night before was the same thing. We are we
are rocking and rolling but But Elon, and I'm
talking to this very important guy, I say, wait
a minute, I'm looking at something, the television's
unmuted, right? And I see this rocket, it's all
brown from the heat, you know, it cooks like
10 ,000 degrees pouring down at thousands of
miles an hour. And I see this thing, you know,
it's like a 20 -story building. And I say to
this guy, he's an important guy, wait a minute,
let me just put you down, hold it, I gotta see
this. And I see this, and it's gonna crash. I
say, it's gonna crash into the gantry. They call
it a gantry. I said, oh man, that's gonna be
a disaster, because it's starting to get very
close. And then all of a sudden you see the flames
and about a rrr, and it boom. And then you see
the two arms grab it. Crazy. And I forgot the
guy. I had him on the phone. I forgot. No, I
said, the hell with it. No, I called Elon. I
said, was that you? He said, that was me. And
I said, who else can do that? He said, nobody.
Russia can't do it. The United States. Nobody
can do it. You know, I set up Space Force. That
was me. And that's the first time in 82 years
that we opened another branch since the Air Force.
And that's going to be one of our most important
things. But think of what Elon does. And he did
one other thing that I never heard of. It's Starlink.
I went down to North Carolina, Georgia, the different
places. I followed it right down. And they had
no communication. The polls were all knocked
down. And one of the guys in North Carolina said,
could you do me a favor? Do you know Elon Musk?
Yes. He endorsed me. By the way, he gave me the
nicest endorsement, too. He said, the country's
going to fail. You should do the same thing,
Joe, because you cannot be voting for Kamala.
Kamala, you're not a Kamala person. I know you.
I've watched you. I know him better than he does.
You know what? Without speaking to you, I think
I know you maybe almost as well as your wife.
I have watched you for so many years. You're
not a Kamala person. You're a Khabib person,
but you're not a Kamala person. Nobody's going
to know who Khabib is, but... They know he was
he was not he was not bad, right? That guy he
was phenomenal, but that's to your kind of your
weave is getting wide No, no my way, but isn't
I want to bring back to tariffs But but wait
one said before we finished with tariffs. I just
so they said they said could you get him? We
need Starlink and I call Elon He got it for him
so fast saved so many lives and I said, how was
it? They said better than the wires, you know,
they couldn't put him in they were all I used
it recently in Utah in the mountains. Did you
find it good? Oh, it's phenomenal. It's the size
of an iPad. You just set it down on the ground,
you get high -speed internet. It's incredible.
We're spending, just to show you, we're spending
a trillion dollars to get cables all over the
country, right? Upstate areas. where you have
like two farms and they're spending millions
of dollars to advocate. Elon can do it for nothing.
Well, talk about the $42 billion that was wasted
on this Internet access program. They didn't
get anybody access to Internet. They haven't
hooked up one person yet. Not one person. They
spent $42 billion. They could have gotten Starlinks
to everybody with that kind of money. For almost
nothing. Yeah. For a monthly charge. And it would
have been incredible. And it's high -speed Internet
everywhere you want to go. And he wanted to do
that. And he wanted to do it. How about this?
They built... the charger stations, right, in
the Midwest. They built eight of them. They cost
nine billion dollars. That's like a gas pump,
right? They built nine gas pumps, except electricity
comes out. They spent nine billion dollars. Three
of them don't work. The whole thing, there's
so much waste. I could sit here and tell you
about things that there's so much waste, abuse,
and fraud. Oh, yeah, I'm sure. I mean, I think
everybody's aware of that now. Let's get back
to tariffs. When you're talking about one of
the criticisms of your administration was with
tax cuts and with tariffs, you increase the deficit.
So what was the strategy behind that? And did
you think it was going to increase the deficit
by a substantial amount? OK, we were ready to
rock. It was all you know, I had a bad system.
We had horrible tax policy. I made it great.
With a much lower tax rate. So I took it from
almost 40 percent down to 21 percent. Now I'm
bringing it from 21 down to 15, but only if you
make your product in the United States, which
is great. People call me, they said, what a great
idea. Nobody ever heard of that before. I don't
care if they make the product in Japan. Why should
I give them? So it's a 21. At 21, in the first
year, we took in much more revenue than we did
at almost 40. Think of that. It inspired. Now,
we had other things, too. We were able to get
people to bring back their money. You couldn't
bring back your money if you had money in Europe,
like Apple. Apple had many billions of dollars
outside. They couldn't bring it. There was no
way to bring it back in. The bureaucracy, the
documents, the whole thing. And also, the tax
was too high. You know, they wanted like half
of it or something. Nobody's going to do that.
So they leave their money in Japan and they spend
their money there. That was part of what I did.
the money came pouring back in. Apple took in
hundreds of billions of dollars. They brought
it back from overseas. They brought it in. So
how does the deficit increase because of that?
So what happened is this. We were ready to rock
and roll. And then we had the COVID thing and
we had to focus on that. And if we didn't give
some businesses a hand, they would have all you
would have had a depression like in 1929. But
we were ready to start. We were going to we would
have very shortly been paying off debt. You know,
we have $35 trillion in debt. And I'll never
forget it. We were, it was talking about from,
you know, the standpoint of being in office.
I'm in the Oval Office, and I have John McLaughlin
and Fabrizio, they're two very good pollsters,
probably, I don't know, I would say the two best,
who knows, but very good pollsters. And we're
starting to think about running for a second
term. And we had the greatest economy. In history,
never has there been an economy like this. And
you attribute that to lowering taxes and tariffs.
Yeah, a lot of it. Two things. And also, I cut
regulations more than anybody else. And if I
ask many of the businessmen, you know, from the
big companies, you know, the guys running the
big companies, I'd say, so if you had your choice,
you've had it now for a long time, what's more
important to you, the tax cuts, you paid less
tax, or the regulation cuts? Every one of them
said the regulation cuts meant more. Who would
think that, right? Because you don't equate it
to dollars, but it actually is more dollars.
We had it going, and then we just had to focus
on something else. But they were sitting there,
these two pollsters were sitting there, and they
said, sir, if George Washington came back and
Abraham Lincoln was his VP, as opposed to Waltz,
how bad is he, by the way? But if Abraham Lincoln
was his VP, they couldn't beat you. And I'll
never forget it. The following day, they said,
something's happening in China, sir. Could we
meet? I said, what's happening? People are dying.
And it was all around the Wuhan lab, by the way.
There are pictures with little lines, their body
bags, all around the Wuhan lab. And I always
said that from the beginning, Joe. You know,
they tried to say, first they said it was France,
and they blamed everybody. But then they say
it was bats from a cave 2 ,000 miles away. So
we got hit with that. And despite that, we had
the best economy. And when I gave it over, the
stock market was higher than it was pre -COVID.
I mean, nobody could even believe it. But we
saved it. And we were helping businesses. They
were dying. They were dying. So it's your belief
that If you had a second term, given the policies
in place, the way the economy was booming, that
you would have been able to pay off a lot of
the debt. And that was the strategy. If we didn't
have COVID, we would have been paying off debt
and we would have had. And don't forget, by growth,
the word growth is actually more important in
a way because you could have the same debt. But
if you doubled your growth, all of a sudden you're
under levered. But still, we should pay off debt.
You know, if you viewed this $35 trillion right
now. It's a lot. But if you look at the asset
value, if you look at it purely as an asset value,
we have oil underground, we have water, we have
mountains. I mean, the assets are so enormous.
But regardless of that, we've got $35 trillion
in debt. We should pay it off. And we would have
started paying off debt and probably even giving
further, given further tax reductions. I want
to get it down to 15 percent. We're going to
do more business. But when you get hit with a
COVID, everything stops and you have to keep
these businesses alive. The businesses were dying.
I mean, they were just dying. This whole place,
this country is going to die. Are there influences
outside of environmental that keep people from
wanting to drill for oil and frack and do those
sort of things outside of the environmental concerns,
which are legitimate, of course? But are there
other influences that may be? over accentuate
or over exaggerate these environmental effects
are people being influenced in a way where they're
trying to keep us from producing American oil
yeah, yeah, so The environmental is the biggest
tool for stopping growth the biggest tool the
other is regulation and If you speak to Elon
he said the regulation now to send a rocket up
to anywhere even if you do everything it's it's
almost It's becoming impossible But they use
environmental in order to get people not to do
anything. And sometimes I say, you know, I look
at some of the, I know the environmental stuff
better, because I had to build buildings in New
York. I had to do environmental impact studies.
And I would see some of these guys that I'd hire
for a lot of money, environmentalists that would
get you through the process. And they'd be up
in Albany, that's the capital of New York, and
they're trying to make it tougher for guys like
me. that were builders, because they'd get paid
more money. In other words, I had one guy, highly
recommended. You know, I was good at getting
permits. I was one of the kings of, I was always
very good. But the environmental stuff was always
horrible. They could slow a project down 10 years,
15 years. I had a project in Louisiana built,
big LNG plant. It was for 14 years, it was going
to cost $18 billion, one of the biggest, like
the Empire State Building, laying down on the
side times four. Massive on the coast, on the
Gulf Coast. And they said, sir, they're going
to give it up. I said, they shouldn't give it
up. What's the problem? They can't get their
environmental. They had environmental permits
that would fill this whole room up to the ceiling.
And they said there was one mistake on one little
line. They want them to do it all over again.
It's not going to happen. And I got them their
permit instantly. And they built a plant. It's
massive. So when you're saying that there's people
that are making money by making it difficult,
are you talking about lawyers? No, I'm talking
about environmental consultants and lawyers.
Environmental consultants profit off of dragging
out the process. Absolutely. And they make the
process worse. And I'd probably do the same thing
if I were them, to be honest with you. You know,
I want to be honest with you. How do they do
that? How do they make it? Let's say New York,
they go to Albany, and they convince people that
if you have a certain type of plant on the ground
that's this big and, in theory, valueless, that
it's a rare plant, and you cannot even touch
it. You can't go near it. You can't put a building
on it. You can't do anything. Or there's a little
puddle. And they call it a lake. And you have
to go by the standards of a lake. I said, no,
no, that's a puddle. Oh, you have no idea. Guys
are filling a little puddle. You have no idea
what they do. And they use it as a way to stop
you. They use it as a way to stop you and also
as a way to generate money. I'm curious how they're
generating money that way, though. Well, they
get fees. They get fees. Massive fees. And people
rely on them as experts because they're the people
that they go to when they have to run these studies
in the first place. But some of them are just
bad guys. And they're trying to make it more
and more difficult. And they have a lot of power.
Yeah, I think they maybe had more. They didn't
have as much with me because I would... get through
them, and I understood it. Look, I've had, I've
done so many, they call it environmental impact
study. I did so much, to build a building, to
build a building in New York is very tough. You
gotta be very, you gotta deal with, think of
it, financing, unions, all the municipal stuff,
environmental. Of all of it, to me, the toughest
thing was the environmental, because they could
stop you cold with the environmental impact study
stuff. And you hire a so -called expert. They
say, sir, he's the one guy he can get you through
the morass. It's a morass. It's horrible. They
use it as a weapon. They use it all over the
country. Right, but there are legitimate concerns
about environmental impact, correct? There are.
Look about the BP oil spill. There's a lot of
things that do happen that are environmentally
devastating. And you want to mitigate that as
much as possible. You do. Look, I had, during
our four years, we had the cleanest air and the
cleanest water. I view it differently. I say,
air? Remember this, it costs much more to do
things environmentally clean. China doesn't do
anything. When Kerry goes to see President Xi
at China, which he probably doesn't even get
to see him, but they look at him, oh yes, yes,
we will do, oh yes, yes, we're gonna do that,
no more coal, no more coal. And then they approve
58 coal plants for the next, they build a coal
plant a week. They build a lot of coal plants.
We've covered that. But let me just tell you
though, so here we are cleaning and scrubbing
everything and everything's got to be, the air's
got to be pure. But in 3 .8 days, that stuff
floating over China is right over the top of
us. Right. Same thing with the oceans. They dump
their garbage into the Pacific Ocean. If you
take a little cork and put it there, in about
a week and a half it'll be in front of Los Angeles.
We're picking up their garbage So nobody ever
talks about that, but in a way the bigger one
is even the air. It's the currents It's an amazing
thing. It's been flowing that way for a million
years along before we share here with the whole
world Yeah, no if we get the Sahara dust clouds
over here. Absolutely We get dust clouds in Austin
from the Sahara Desert, but we get the China
You know, they call it the China curse. We get
the China curse They're better and their air
is dirty. You know when I went there I had a
great relationship with presidency we got along
very well and They treated me better than anybody's
ever been treated same thing with Saudi Arabia
a number of them, but they laid it out And I
said, this air is good. Do you know, they closed
every factory one week before I got there, from
within 200 miles. That's like what Gavin Newsom
did when Xi Jinping came to San Francisco. He
cleaned it up. He cleaned it up. He got rid of
all the homeless people. Isn't that terrible
in a way to think, you know? He cleaned it up,
and then it became a pigsty. Well, the dumbest
thing is he said when your friends come by, when
you have visitors, you clean up your house. Like,
how about just keep your fucking house clean?
Can you imagine? That's the dumbest thing I've
ever heard anybody say, ever, as a governor,
as to excuse to why you finally cleaned up your
homeless problem. And the day he left... Right
back to it. It went right back. Yeah. But in
a way, that was a bad thing that he did, because
he showed... He showed it could be done. What
a disgrace that was. What a disgrace. Well, this
is the thing that, like, shows you how foolish
a lot of these people that are running these
cities think, and a lot of these people that
are running these states think. It's foolish.
Like, you... You're insulting the intelligence
of the people that live in that city that are
impacted by these people just camping and needles
and human feces. There's an app that you can
buy. There's an app that you can get rather that
will show you where the human feces has been
documented in San Francisco. It's a poo app and
it's just everywhere. It's just bum crap everywhere.
But let me give you one that you may not know.
OK. Which I think you know everything actually.
That's not true. As a student of yours. But water,
you know in Los Angeles you can't get proper
amounts of water. Right. And it's unbelievably
expensive. And you might have a house in Beverly
Hills and they're actually thinking about rationing
water. Can you believe it? I can believe it.
I still live there. I was in the farm court country
with some of the congressmen. We're driving up
a highway. And I say, how come all this land
is so barren? It's farmland, and it looked terrible.
It was just brown and bad. I said, but there's
always that little corner that's so green and
beautiful. They said, we have no water. I said,
do you have a drought? No, we don't have a drought.
I said, why don't you have no water? Because
the water isn't allowed to flow down. It's got
a natural flow from Canada all the way up north.
More water than they could ever use. And in order
to protect a tiny little fish, the water up North
gets routed into the Pacific Ocean millions and
millions of gallons of water gets poured you
gotta see this We're driving up and I had never
seen it before It's the most it's like Iowa.
It's the most fertile land. I was blessed with
great land Idaho for a potato, right? Yeah, but
These, they're just, by the way, you know, some
land is good for a potato, some land is good
for corn. It's the craziest thing. I love the
farmers. They're great. They're the greatest.
And by the way, they're getting killed right
now. They are. They're getting killed because
of this stupid administration. But so I see this
and I said, you got to be kidding. I said, you
mean you have water? And I looked at it. It's
like a valve in your sink, except it's massive.
The thing's five times taller than your ceiling.
Did you know the center of California was a giant
lake? They have so much water. You ever see what
it looks like before they rerouted it? No, I
never saw that, no. The center of California,
like, what is it, 200 years ago? How long ago
did they do that, Jamie? The center of California
had a fucking enormous lake in the middle of
California. So they dumped it into the Pacific.
Who knows what they did, but whatever foolishness
that they did led to the situation that they're
in now. Think of those dry forests that burned
down all over. You know, the head of Austria
said, you know... There is Tulare Lake, or Tachi
Lake. It's a freshwater lake in the southern
San Joaquin Valley, United States. Historically,
Tulare Lake was one of the largest freshwater
lakes west of Mississippi. Show a photo of what
it looked like back then. It's a great sister.
So that's what it looked like. Look at that image
another one go to the one on the third from the
right Yeah, yeah, that was an enormous lake middle
of California imagine that be much more valuable
property. How crazy is that? How crazy is that?
Like in human beings screwed that they let it
go into the Pacific and then they I don't know
what they did What did they do that? Why did
it how did it go missing? Yeah, they drained
it 19 1983 oh my god Oh, when dry a handful of
times. Well, you know, lakes do go dry, but that's
a big one. It's a big one to go dry. But think
of it. You could have all of the water you need.
All of that land would have more water. The whole
thing could be like that little patch. Yeah.
Literally, I'd say, as with Devin Noon as a congressman
and other congressmen who were going up, I was
visiting that because they asked me to go up
and visit their territory, and I did. But I kept
saying, look at this land, it's beautiful, but
it's so dry. And I thought they were going through
like a desert, like a drought. They said, no,
we have water, but it gets real. So I looked
into it. What is the fish? And I got it done.
I got it done. I could have water for all of
that land, water for your forest. You know, your
forests are dry as a bone. Yeah, dangerous. That
water could be routed. You know, you could have
everything. Not only dangerous, billions of dollars
a year they spend on Forest fires. And you know,
there's a case with the environment. They're
not allowed to rake their forest because you're
not allowed to touch it. When a tree falls down,
after 18 months, it becomes very dry. It's like,
you know, like real firewood. It's bad. You know,
a tree that's up, these are all things I learned
the hard way, the easy way. But when a tree is
up, it sucks water. It's wet. I went to that,
they had a couple of horrible forest fires in
California, and I went, I said, you know, you
had a lot of trees standing, yes, they were healthy
trees, sir. I said, with this intense heat, you
could see they were charred a little bit on the
bottom, but they were gonna be all right, because
they're soaking wet, because they suck up the
water, right? But when they fall, they're like,
you know, it's like lighting a match. And you
gotta be able to clean, they call it maintain
your forest, so I was with the head of Austria.
He said, you know, it's a shame. I see all those
forest fires in California, and all they have
to do is clean their forest, meaning rake it
up, get rid of the leaves, get rid of, you know,
leaves that are sitting there for five years.
We'll certainly get rid of the dead fall. And
get rid of the trees that have fallen. so many
things this country, by the way, I had it all
done. Could you really rake the whole forest,
though? I don't think you could rake the whole
forest. I think you could get rid of the dead
fall, but raking all the leaves. You could certainly
get rid of the dead, okay? Yeah, I think that's
the real issue. You know, environmentally, they
don't want to do that. They said, you know, it's
got to be nature and all this stuff. But in the
meantime, this is exactly right. But you could
have, so it was the Department of Commerce that
needed the approvals, but Gavin Newsom had to
sign them. I got it all done. Nobody could believe
it. It was all done. I said, I got it. You got
so much water. All you have to do is sign. And
that guy didn't want to sign. Did he not want
to sign because that would be a political victory
for you? I think no, he didn't. No, I don't think
so. You know, he used to say he's a great president
that we got along. We did. We actually got along.
at that point. But I think somebody said, you
just can't continue to call him a great president.
You know, they do say that. But we had it all
done. He didn't sign. And then we got onto other
things. And every time I go to California, you
have so much water. They don't know it. I'm telling
you people living in Beverly Hills. They turn
off the water same thing with the electric They
want to go to all electric cars, but they have
brownouts every weekend, you know Well right
after they made the announcement that as of 2035
you're not gonna be able to buy an internal combustion
engine in California like within a month They
had some announcement asking people to not charge
their Tesla's Because the grid couldn't handle
it. I will terminate the mandate immediately.
That will be done, I would say, in my first day,
maybe two days. Let me ask you about nuclear.
One of the things that when I've talked to people
that have a real understanding of nuclear power,
what their position is, it's probably the cleanest,
safest form of electricity that we could generate.
The fears of nuclear power are really about a
few disasters, the Fukushima, Three Mile Island.
These are old systems, and they're much more
capable now, and they're capable of making even
better systems. It's a difficult political issue,
because you think nuclear power, you think Chernobyl.
That's what everybody does. They have this connection.
They had the potential disaster. Or Fukushima,
where you're not supposed to enter the land for
3 ,000 years or something. It's crazy. I think
it's worse than that. I think that area is going
to be radioactive for probably longer than you
could imagine. The point is they're better at
it now, and that they could do it now, and you
can generate power in a way that you don't have
to worry about these. One of the most ridiculous
things is electric cars being powered by coal
-fired plants. It's a ridiculous thing. So it's
happening. Yeah, it is what's happening. And
people want to think they're being green, you
know, but it's... Well, if you look at the way
the battery is made, but here's the other thing.
We don't have... Well, we do, actually. It's
being held. You know, we have certain areas where
we have great raw earth material. And we're not
allowed to use it because of the environment.
And we have areas in California that have incredible,
raw earth. And they're not allowing, and I'm
going to open it up. I'm going to let them use
it. But how do you do that? How do you do that
and protect the environment? Because the environment
is going to be protected. You can do it. You
can make a lake out of it. OK, we'll put back
a lake. I mean, something nice about lakes. You
can do things magnificently. You just have to
do it carefully and responsibly. Absolutely.
You have to do it carefully. But the problem,
you know, China has all of those areas, most
of those areas. And yet, when they say, go electric
with the cars, China is going to be the one that
gives us the cars. All of those guys in Detroit
are going to be out of business. You're going
to make your electric cars over there. We have
a thing called gasoline, and we have more oil
and gas under our feet than any other nation.
You know, I had, in Alaska, there's a find. It's
called ANWR. I got it approved. Reagan couldn't
get it. Nobody could get it. I got it all done.
It was amazing. They were getting ready to start
drilling. The equivalent, they think, of Saudi
Arabia, one of the biggest finds in the world.
It was all set to go. And Biden comes in. One
of his first orders were, we're not going to
use it. It would have been so good for them.
We could have supplied all of Asia. with oil
and gas. What was the negative? And you talk
about money. Right. The negative was politically,
they didn't think it was good for them. That's
all. That's all it was. So you don't think that
it's environmentally dangerous? No, taking it
from way down deep in the earth, environmentally
it would have been fine. So it can be done responsibly?
Absolutely. Oh, otherwise it protects the environment.
Well, I think windmills. OK, so they talk about
windmills. I think windmills are really disruptive.
When you talk about the environment, they kill
the birds. You want to see a bird cemetery? Go
under a windmill someday. that hasn't been cleaned
out with all the bird carcasses. It's like massive
amounts of birds. Well, they're also a massive
eyesore. I went to a ranch in South Texas. We
had to drive past this enormous windmill farm.
It's gross. It's dystopian. You're looking in
the left and the right and all you see is these
big spinning machines that aren't even that effective
at generating electricity. Correct. Most expensive
form of electricity is a windmill. And then they
start to rust and rot. And then they get abandoned
by the people that built them. Well, you have
to get rid of all that material, too. When you
replace those blades, now you have a problem
because you have to dispose. You have to dispose
these enormous windmills. And how do you dispose
them? By the way, they say you can't bury them.
I even questioned that, but I'm not going to
get into it. But they say you can't bury them.
So you have the blades, and you can't bury the
blades. You can bury the blades. It's not going
to matter. You can bury them. You'll find areas
you can bury. They come up, this is what I mean,
they come up with this, but the environmentalist
dream is windmills. You know what happens to
them? After five years, they start to rot. After
10 years, you have to replace them. Did you ever
look at certain parts of California where they
have heavy windmills and they've been abandoned
and they're all different manufacturers in all
different companies? I haven't seen that. It
is the ugliest thing. It looks like a graveyard
almost, a graveyard of windmills. It's pollution.
It's so bad. And in the oceans. It's no different
than leaving garbage on the ground. How about
in New Jersey, off the coast of New Jersey, they
want to build... The people are going crazy not
to build them. But we have them. The whales are
washing up on shore. Right. So... In 50 years,
they had one whale come ashore. Now they had
like 18 come in the last year. What is the, what
is happening with the whales? I've read about
this. Well, they say that the wind drives them
crazy. You know, it's a vibration because you
have those, you know, those things that 50 story
building some of them. Right. And they're super
sensitive to vibration. They have those, you
know, the wind is rushing, the things are blowing.
It's a vibration and it makes noise. You know
what it is? I want to be a whale psychiatrist.
It drives. The whales, fricking crazy. And something
happens with them. But for whatever reason, they're
getting washed up on shore. And, you know, and
yet the environment... Conveniently ignored by
the environmental people. Yeah, but the environmentalists,
they don't talk about it. Right. I think there's
nothing uglier. I see it in Scotland. I see it
all over the world. You have this beautiful valley
that's been there for, you know, in civilization,
thousands of years, but millions of years. And
all of a sudden you have these ugly... windmills
up. Would your plan to be replaced out with nuclear?
What would you do? Well, nuclear is better. I
mean, I think there's a little danger to nuclear.
But, you know, we had some really bad nuclear.
They did one in Alabama. They did one in, I think,
South Carolina. They do them wrong. They build
these massive things. Then the environmentalists
get in. I don't want to go into a long story,
because it's too long for the show. This show
is too valuable to talk about concrete. But they
have hardened concrete. It's number 12 concrete.
It's harder than steel. It's incredible. They
put up a wall, and an inspector comes along.
No, no, you're a quarter of an inch. The wall
might be eight feet wide. You're a quarter of
an inch too short. I'm sorry. You've got to rip
down the wall, because it's got to be poured
contiguously, right? One quarter of an inch,
I'm sorry, ripped down. You can't rip it down.
This stuff, you can't put a hammer through it.
You can't. It's incredible. Concrete technology
is unbelievable, what's happened. You think of
concrete. So you think that's an example of over
-regulation? Yeah, pointless over -regulation.
Well, you have an inspector that comes along,
and he says, take down a $25 zillion wall. These
things ended up costing $25 billion. And one
of them never got opened. But here's the story.
So France does it. France is largely nuclear
and they build small little compact plants and
if they need more they build the same thing and
they hook it up and they hook it up because they
get too big and too complex and too expensive
and it is very clean they say it's it's absolutely
you know my uncle I had a great uncle who was
a great genius just like other members of my
family but he was a professor at MIT for, I think,
41 years. He was the longest serving. When I
was in the White House, the head of MIT Princeton
and Harvard came down to meet me. And the MIT
person said, I have a book on your uncle, Dr.
John Trump. He was our longest serving professor.
He was a great genius, sir. Do you know how?
And he knew everything about nuclear, from math
to chemistry to nuclear, he knew it. And he said,
someday it's going to be the way to go, but the
problem is it's so dangerous in terms of war.
He said, Donald, someday, and this was a long
time, Uncle John, Dr. John Trump, he said, someday,
you'll have a little satchel at your side, and
you'll go into a building and you'll be able
to blow up New York City. I said, Uncle John,
that'll never happen. He's right, you know, he's
right. The power's so crazy. Well, that was part
of the problem with giving nuclear power to other
countries, right? Like, that was the problem
that happened with India and Pakistan. They got
nuclear. power, and then they were able to weaponize
it. The biggest problem in the world today is
not global warming. It's nuclear warming. And
we have idiots that are negotiating for us. We
have a guy that doesn't make it past four o 'clock,
and it's not because of age. You know, I know
so many guys in their late 80s, and they're better
than new. I said to one guy, I think you're smarter
than you were 25 years ago. I've known him a
long time. He's 89 years old. He's sharp. I mean,
he's great. Biden gives people a bad name because
that's not an old, that's not an age. I think
they say it because I'm three or four years younger.
You know, I think that's why they say it. They
say his age. It's not his age. He's got a problem.
Two major brain surgeries. He did. He did. Those
are not good operations. And do you see what
he did today? He went running towards the camera
and made some apology to Native Americans. And
he said that's why he's headed out west. Like
he's off the reservation, so to speak, for lack
of a better term. You know, it's interesting
because during the debate. I was looking over,
I'm saying, hmm, this is strange. It's just sort
of like strange things were happening. Yeah.
Well, he couldn't keep it together, but do you
think they knew he couldn't keep it together?
I think so. Do you think that they wanted, is
that why, like, historically that debate was
earlier than they've been in the past, right?
I think they wanted to get, well, there's a lot
of theories. A lot of people said, do the debate
now and we'll get him out. Right. I think that
maybe could be. Well, that is what happened.
I think they also said, do the debate now and
get it over with. I don't think anybody thought
he was going to get out, really. That didn't
make any sense. The debate got him out, but I
think it's very unfair. Look, you have a bad
debate, his numbers went down, but I think she's
not doing very well right now, and I think she
looks... Well, I want to get to that too because
it's hard to know like the whole poll thing is
very bizarre for most people because most people
don't answer polls So they read the polls then
when you have a cold I was never called by a
pulse if I did I wouldn't answer I'm busy You
know how polls are done. I know I'm gonna get
myself in trouble, but So I really don't believe
too much in him So well 2016 taught a lot of
people about the ineffective. Well, they were
very effective because I thought I was doing
well I'd go to a place and I'd have 30 40 ,000
people Hillary would go they have 500 people
and they tell me I'm gonna lose I said why am
I gonna lose I had 40 ,000 people she had 200
people But you know, I have a theory these pulses
they charge you a lot of money, too You know,
they charge you half a million bucks to do some
stupid Paul and they interview like 251 people.
I don't think they interview in many cases I
don't want to get myself in too much. You think
it's bullshit. I think they sit there. They make
a deal They get a half a million bucks Trump's
leading, 51 to 49, they announce it and everybody
says, oh, do you understand? I don't think they,
I think in a lot, look, I'm a very common sense
person. I think that they probably don't always
poll. Some of them probably never poll. What's
the difference between 49 to 51 and 47 and a
half? Well, it's also a tiny percentage of the
population. I don't think it's representative
of the overall population. I just don't think
it is. I don't know of one person in my whole
life that ever got called by a pollster. Exactly.
That's my point. So here's my question. But I
shouldn't say that because I'm doing very, you
know, really well in the polls now. But I think
that's... So this week I happen to believe in
a very... I only believe if they're good. No.
I like them this month. But no, I honestly believe
that there's probably a lot of fraud. I had a
poll, Washington Post, ABC, in the Hillary thing
on Wisconsin. They had me down 17 points the
day before the election. I knew it was wrong
because I had a rally. I had 29 ,000 people at
a racetrack, and it was like zero degrees Wisconsin.
And they had me down 17 points. In other words,
you had no chance. And I won. And I called up
my pollsters, good guy, good guy, and I believe
he's legitimate. And some of them aren't, some
of them aren't. I said, tell me, why did they
have me down so much? I mean, nobody's gonna
believe them the next time. They said, they don't
care. When you're down 17 points, people are
gonna stay home, they're not gonna vote. Because
they're gonna say, I love Trump, but I'm not
gonna waste my time, it's cold out. I said, but
why don't they make it four or five? He said,
at four or five. They're going to go and vote
at 17. They're not going to go and vote. So think
of it. I was seven. This is the Washington Post,
ABC, Paul. I was down 17 points in Wisconsin
and I won. It's crooked stuff. There's a lot
of crooked stuff. And I wanted to talk about
that, too, because one of the things are people.
talk about with you is the denial of the results.
And I think J .D. Vance did a brilliant job the
other day when he was being interviewed, and
they asked him, did Trump lose the 2020 election?
And he turned it around and said, was there legitimate
election interference in suppressing the Hunter
Biden laptop story on social media? And was that
a concerted effort? Well, they say it made a
10 -point difference, and I lost by one... 10th
of a point. They say it was 22 ,000 votes, but
look, it was much more than that. And I appreciate
Jay DeVince saying that. And by the way, I think
he was a great pick. Do you like JD? I like him
a lot. Yeah, you're allowed to say that is no
I do I like I think he's a brilliant guy and
I think his ability to talk like a normal human
being He did you did my friend Theo Vaughn's
podcast right and he just did it. How did he
do? He did great and he just talks like why you
call me to do this that way you called me to
do No, no, I was he was a nice shot you I was
like he's got to come in here. It's all about
timing It's all about the timing. Timing's good.
I think timing's perfect. Do you even have a
scar on your ear? You got anything on there?
I do. Let me see. Let me see. Where you got that?
So right over here. That's a tiny little mark.
See? It zicked right there. Yeah. It healed up
pretty fucking good. Yeah, that's pretty good.
Yeah. It's not like some of the wrestlers, some
of the UFC fighters. No. You didn't get cauliflower
here. No. No. It was sort of like a top shot.
Mm -hmm. The point of the bullet was a little
of the ass, but you see the things take it off
a little bit. But it makes me a tougher guy.
You know, the fighters, you know, the fighters
love their, you know, Bo Nickle is a great fighter.
How's he going to do? I think he's terrific.
He's great. He's a fantastic fighter. He was
almost like undefeated in college. Yeah, he's
a fantastic wrestler and one of the best mixed
martial artists. When is he fighting again? He's
fighting in Madison Square Garden in November.
Oh, that's going to be after the election. Yep.
So I'll either go as president or I'll be depressed
and I won't bother going. I think they're having
a fight right now. One of the things that was
fascinating also was the denial of the election
results is a pretty common thing. Hillary Clinton
famously denied that she called you an illegitimate
president and she said that Russia put you in
place. Even though she conceded. Yes. You know,
she conceded the night of the election because
she was beaten. Yes, and it was a thing that
was pretty common for people, especially Democrats,
to deny the elections. There's been many of them,
the Bush administration, the, you know, the dangling
Chads, all that stuff. Well, look at these guys
in Congress, all these sleazebags in Congress
that are Democrats, they're still denying 2016.
But now they don't so much because, you know,
they try and pin it on me. You don't hear them
say, but they denied it right up until the end.
My point is this idea of election fraud is a
forbidden topic and you get labeled an election
denier. It's like being labeled an anti -vaxxer
if you question some of the health consequences
that people have had from the COVID -19 shots.
Oh my God, you're an anti -vaxxer. If you say,
and what I say publicly, and I've said this a
lot, It's not zero percent. So if you ask me,
what is the amount of election fraud in this
country? Is it zero percent? No one thinks it's
zero percent. I've never met one person, not
a super liberal progressive far left person or
a right wing conservative. Not one person thinks
it's zero percent. They think when you have human
beings and also you have a lot of weirdness that
was going on during the 2020 elections, particularly
with mail in ballots. And you had legislatures
that had to approve and they didn't approve and
they went out and did it anyway. And you had
ballot. You had old fashioned ballot screwing.
I mean, you had. You have people going up and
dropping in phony votes. You had unsigned ballots,
et cetera, et cetera. There's certain people
that think that they have, and the rhetoric is
also that you're Hitler, and that in order to
stop Hitler, you have to do whatever it takes.
That was okay, yeah. Yeah, and this is, I mean,
you're hearing this now. Kamala compared you
to, said your love of Hitler yesterday. You know,
Kamala's a very low IQ person. She's a very low
IQ. You know, I'm for taking tests, too. I think
anybody that runs for president should take.
They should give them tests. And it's not an
age thing. It's not based. If you look back on
history, 70s and 80s, some of your greatest leaders
in the world, world history, long time world
history, they were in their 70s and their 80s.
But I think you should take cognitive tests.
I think everybody, they say it's unconstitutional.
But I think that's ridiculous. I think Kamala
should have a test because there's something
missing. There's something wrong with her. Well,
I think it's pressure. I think the pressure and
the scrutiny. You've been a celebrity for a long
time and you understand what this is like. But
for someone who's in her late 40s, who becomes
the vice president, who runs for president, becomes
the vice president, and then all of a sudden
the weight of the world is on your shoulders
and there's all these people paying. A lot of
people clam up. But you either have it or you
don't. Correct. Look. This is an interview you've
we've covered a lot of territory right and you
know, it's fine. I don't care I want to I think
it's much more interesting she to do an interview
with Anderson Cooper a softball crazy softball
interview She took two days off and she studied
and studied all day long and then she comes out
with a result That was a real embarrassment.
That was a really bad interview. She couldn't
answer a question and every question is not answered.
I mean Like, what would you do your first day
in office? Okay, I'll build a wall. I won't build
a wall. There's a hundred things you can say.
Just say anything, right? There's something off
with her. We're dealing with the smartest people.
They hate when I say, you know, when I call President
Xi, they said, he called President Xi brilliant.
Well, he's a brilliant guy. He controls 1 .4
billion people with an iron fist. I mean, he's
a brilliant guy, whether you like it or not.
And they go crazy. Right, it doesn't mean he's
not evil, or it doesn't mean he's not dangerous.
But actually, we have evil people in our country.
Yes. If you have a smart president, he can deal
with Russia, he can deal with all of it. Russia
would have never gone into Ukraine if I were
president. How would you have stopped it? Automatic,
two things. I told him. I said, Vladimir, you're
not going in. I used to talk to him all the time.
You're not going in. I can't tell you what I
told him. because I think it would be inappropriate.
But someday he'll tell you, but he would have
never gone in. But you know why else he wouldn't
have gone in? Oil prices at $40 a barrel wouldn't
have allowed him, wouldn't have given him the
money to prosecute that war. Wouldn't have given
him the money. I said it with President... I
was with President Xi. I said it was almost the
same conversation. With Vladimir, it was Moscow.
With President Xi, it was Beijing. It was almost
the exact same conversation. I said, don't do
it. He would have never done it. The day I left,
they flew 28 bombers over the middle of Taiwan.
28 bombers. And it's the apple of his eye, and
the same thing with Russia. Ukraine is the apple
of his eye. I used to talk to him. I had a very
good relationship with him. He wouldn't have
done it. He would have never done it. But he
also wouldn't have done it because of the...
You know one of the reasons that... What happened
is, number one, he doesn't respect Biden at all,
not even a little bit. And who the hell would?
But he doesn't respect him. But when he saw what
happened in Afghanistan, how horribly that was
handled, number one, you take the soldiers out
last, not first. OK, that was that big mistake.
And we had that thing charted out and they weren't
obeying us. They weren't. Abdul is the head of
the Taliban. Boom, boom. He had to do all these
things, some he didn't do. I said, no, you're
not doing you got to do them all. This guy took,
he immediately took all, he left the equipment
behind. 13 soldiers dead, but he took everybody
out. He took his soldiers out before. A child
would know. That's where Milley was so stupid.
He was such a stupid guy, Milley. Okay, those
generals should have all been fired. The Afghan,
the people that were involved with Afghanistan
should have all been fired. Then they'd be writing
books about him, how stupid he was and bad he
was, but. You take your soldiers out last I had
a big rally and I saw a child in the front row
About a year and a half ago, and I called the
child up. I said you mind if I borrow your child
Oh, yes, please and they came up kids five years.
I gave him a quick details You know I said we
want to get out of this place Then we have this
so we have this so we have the equipment I gave
him a little thing I said do you take your soldiers
out first or last after everything's done you
take them out last sir A child would know that.
We took our soldiers out first. What was your
plan? And we left Bagram. Well, not only that,
we left billions of dollars worth of equipment
and military vehicles that they use for parades
now. The best equipment, you have to embarrass
us, the best equipment in the world. The Taliban
parade where they got tanks rolling down the
streets and Blackhawks flying is the craziest
thing I've ever seen. In fact, we left all that
stuff there. We left the best equipment in the
world behind. What would you have done differently?
Well, number one, we would have taken it out.
Just so you go back a little bit further, I had
a couple of conversations with Abdul. And from
the time I had those conversations, because they
were shooting our soldiers, you know, with the
sniper stuff. They were shooting a lot of them.
They were shooting a lot with Obama, much less
with me, but they were shooting them. And I said,
get this guy on the phone. The press went nuts
when they heard this. I had a great conversation
with him. It was a tough conversation. 18 months
later, there wasn't one soldier that was ever
shot at. And even Biden admitted it in a moment
of stupidity because he shouldn't admit it. His
people went nuts. He said, yeah, well, I will
admit no soldier. We didn't have a soldier killed
in 18 months in Afghanistan. Not one soldier
was killed because he understood what was going
to happen if that happened. I didn't have one.
So then when I left. after having gotten more
votes than any sitting president in the history
of the country, and much more votes than he got
in 2016, when I left, they started shooting our
soldiers. But more importantly, what they did
is they did that whole thing with, you know,
leaving. He shouldn't have left, number one,
should have left from Bagram because Bagram's
this massive base. It's got tremendous acreage
around it, tremendous. It's a very big, it was
built many years ago. And part of the reason
you wouldn't have taken that is because it goes
to China. One hour from where China makes its
nuclear missiles, you should have never left
Bagram. Number one, they should have left from
Bagram. They should have left last. They should
have got — you know, we have Americans that are
still there. They should have taken all their
equipment out. Everything should — every plane,
every screw should have been taken out, every
tent. And I said that — that's when I realized
that Milley was a dummy. I said — We're leaving,
but I want to get everything out. Sir, it's cheaper
to leave it. I said, what do you mean to leave
it? It's cheaper to leave it. Yeah, he said it's
cheaper to leave it. Cheaper. Cheaper. He said
it's cheaper. Sir. Not more dangerous. He just
said cheaper. I said, I want every plane. I want
every tank. I want the goggles. They have night
goggles. They have all this stuff that these
guys now have. He said, sir, it's cheaper to
get out and leave it. I said, so you think it's
cheaper to leave $150 million brand new airplane?
in there than it is to fly it out with a tank
of jet fuel and put it in Pakistan or just fly
it directly back. It's cheaper to live. I said,
this guy's nuts. I'm telling you, he was so stupid.
He was so unwise. He was like an unwise man.
And there were a number of them. But I defeated
ISIS with the greatest generals. I had a guy
who was so great. I flew to Iraq and I met the
real generals, not these idiots. that we deal
with. And we knocked out, you know, I defeated
100 % of the ISIS caliphate. They said it would
take five years. I did it in a matter of a few,
literally a few weeks. And we hit them hard.
And he said, sir, we're going to hit them here.
We're going to hit them there. We're going to
hit them here, there. And I said, this guy's
great. I like this guy. I was told it would take
five years. That's why I went. I said, how could
it take five years? We have brand new fighters.
We have the best planes, the best weapons, the
best guns, the best bombs. How could it possibly
take that long? And I flew to, I flew and left
at three o 'clock in the morning. Nobody knew
I was going. I got on Air Force One and we started
flying. And when we reached about half an hour
away from Iraq, that was where the airport was,
big airport. about a half an hour away. They
said, sir, I'm sorry, you'll have to turn off
all your lights. Why? We're getting close to
our site, our land. I said, you mean we spent
eight trillion dollars that we can't leave the
lights on? Think of this, 20 years, eight trillion
dollars that we can't leave the lights on in
a plant. I said, that's okay, turn the lights
on. I'm not gonna fight them, that's what I'm...
This is because it's too dangerous? Yeah, too
dangerous, because they see the light up in the
air. They'll shoot at it. They'll shoot at it,
you know? So... I said, turn the lights off.
Then they said, sir, we're gonna also pull your
shades if that's okay. I said, that's okay. The
plane was pitch black. All the lights outside,
you know, the blinking, the blinking reds, they
were all turned off. And I like to sit with pilots
a lot of times. And these guys are specimens.
I always say, they're better looking than Tom
Cruise, okay? And they're even taller, like perfect
specimens. These guys, like for a fighter, you
know, you have some guys that are perfect specimens.
And they picked the best pilots in the United
States Air Force to fly Air Force One. And I
get up there, and I'm feeling my way up. You
know, it's up high to 747 as you go through the
stairs, but I sort of knew my way up. There wasn't
a light in the plan. I'm saying, can you imagine?
We spent trillions of dollars, and we're trying
to fly in blind. But I got into the plane, the
cockpit is dark black. Little tiny light, you
could see the pilot. A perfect looking human
being. His co -pilot, everybody was perfect.
They were all like movie stars, you know? It's
like, I could have cast a movie with these guys
and nobody would believe it because they were
too good looking. So I said, how are we doing?
He said, we'll be landing in 10 minutes. And
I look outside, there's not a light. And I'm
saying, you know, I've landed a lot of planes.
And you see like little lights at least. There's
nothing. It's just pure desert. And I said, OK,
Captain, good, but I'm looking. You've been in
many plants where it has the computer, so I'm
saying 1 ,000 feet. It goes 1 ,900, 800. It's
a computer voice, but it sounds like it, but
it's an incredible voice. 700. I say, Captain,
are we OK? I'm looking. Are we OK, Captain? There's
no lights. And I'm looking, normally when you
land a plane, because I sit with Paul Solon,
I think it's great, I think it's a great profession,
everything, they're incredible, these machines
are incredible. He said, sir, we're fine, no
problem, sir. I said, I don't see the lights
up there, Captain. Sure, we're okay. So, I mean,
I'm exaggerating a little bit. Problem with exaggerating
will tell the story. Trump was a coward. So I'm
sitting with him. 500 foot and I'm saying and
I'm telling you there wasn't a light on the runway
Nothing, and we're going in You okay captain
everything good. Yes, sir. No problem. We'll
be down in about one minute, sir And I'm telling
you Joe You know, there's always a light. There's
not a little pin and All of a sudden and you
hear a blah blah perfect landing like glass That's
how good I mean these guys between the equipment
and it's genius It's pure. It was so dark. You
couldn't see a thing. There was no runway You
wouldn't know where the hell you're you're in
the middle of a desert and then I got out of
the plane I said, thank you captain. It's a great
job and then I get out of the plane and I'm going
down and I see a general and another general
and I see a staff sergeant a drill sergeant and
a various guys all central casting Central casting.
They said, sir, would you like to rest? I said,
I don't want to rest. I want to figure out what
the hell are we doing with ISIS. I'm hearing
we can't. It's going to take years. No, sir,
we can do it very quickly, sir. Anyway, we go
into the room. We go and I mean, Biden would
have taken a nap for four days and then left
without a meeting. So we go into the room and
they have these guys. I say, how long can you
do it? How long? We can do it in a couple of
weeks, sir. I said, wait a minute, they told
me five years. We can do it. And he gave me a
number, like in no time. I said, why haven't
you done it? Because the orders came in from
Washington, sir, and they would come here and
tell us what to do. Don't you challenge us? We're
not allowed to do that, sir. That's not the military
way. They tell us what to do, and we have to
respect them. So do you think that it was incompetence
why they didn't go after ISIS? I think it's a
bad system. You know, when Mattis goes there,
or when Milley goes there, who's stupid, and
they tell these guys that are actually smart
what to do. And the guys that are smart are saying
we don't like what they're doing, but they're
not allowed to sort of counteract. Plus, the
guys that went there are arrogant. You know,
they're arrogant fools. They're like stupid fools.
The way they pulled out of, you know, the way
they, as an example, the way they pulled out
of Afghanistan with the people falling off the
planes. It was so, it was worse than Vietnam
with the helicopters falling. It was so bad.
There was no reason for it. Anyway, so we knocked
them out and I mean, we have great military,
we have great people, but not the television
guys. And I rebuilt the military, and then they
gave a chunk of it. Now, you have to tell, as
much as it is, it's a tiny little piece, believe
it or not. We have an unbelievable, I rebuilt
the military, I rebuilt our nuclear, and in a
way, I hated to redo it, but I got to realize
how powerful that nuclear is. Joe, one bomb,
Israel is gone, but forget. One bomb can take
out the entire East Coast. It's so bad. And I
watch these poor fools talking about, our oceans
will rise one -eighth of an inch over the next
500 years. I mean, we have people, we have countries.
Right now, you have five countries. And don't
underestimate North Korea. If you take a look
at North Korea... I was there. I mean, I was
with Kim Jong -un. I got along great with him.
You know, the President, she got along great.
That's a good thing. It's not a bad thing. It's
a great thing. Obama thought we were going to
go to war with North Korea. When I met with Obama
just prior to the takeover, you know, you meet,
you have sort of a ceremonial meeting. But it
lasted a long time, a lot longer than it was
supposed to last. I said, what's the biggest
problem? He said, North Korea. By the time I
finished I was we wouldn't had no problem with
North Korea. We were really it was a little tough
at the beginning Remember? Mm -hmm. He said I
have a red button on my desk. I said I have a
red button also But mine's bigger than yours
and mine works. I like how you call them little
rocket man I said I said a little rocket. I said
little rocket man. You're gonna burn in hell
and it was a rough Yeah, oh so rough that people
were worried. This is crazy. And then one day
I got a call sort of like a fight I got a call.
You know, you ever see one that pounding, then
all of a sudden, but I got a call. And it was
from him, meaning his people. They wanted to
meet. They wouldn't meet Obama. He tried to meet.
They wouldn't even talk to him about it. And
I think he expected to go to war. I actually
do. I believe he expected to go. And we checked
their nuclear stockpile. It is substantial. I
mean, I said, did you do anything? I got to know
him very well. I got to know him better than
anybody, anybody. And I said, do you ever do
anything else? Why don't you go take it easy
and relax? Go to the beach. You have beautiful
beach, nice beachfront property. You know, kiddingly.
I said, you're always building nuclear. Just
relax. You don't have to do it. Let's build some
condos on your shoreline. They actually have
gorgeous stuff. And he said... I just have to
do it because I need it for my safety, et cetera.
I got to know him very well. We had no problem
with him. If you have a smart problem, if you
have a smart, really the right president, a smart
president, you're not gonna have a problem. And
I say it to people, we have a bigger problem,
in my opinion, with the enemy from within, and
it drives them crazy when I use that term, but
we have an enemy from within. We have people
that are really bad people. that I really think
wanna make this country unsuccessful. When you
look at what's happening at our border, Joe,
when you have people coming in that, when other
countries are allowed to empty their prisons
into our country with murderers, we had 13 ,099
murderers dropped in our country over the last
three years. And then 15 ,000 rapists convicted.
Rapists? Yeah. Drug dealers, drug lords. And
that's just the ones that have been accounted
for. Terrorists, correct. people from mental
institutions. What do you think the strategy
is? Hundreds to hundreds of thousands of major
criminals, tougher and worse than anybody we
have. We're seeing the consequences of it in
San Antonio. They've taken over apartment buildings
in Aurora, Colorado. They've taken over apartment
buildings. These Venezuelan gangs. Just the beginning.
What do you think the strategy is? You know,
one of the things that they've said is that you
stopped a bill from being passed. But didn't
that bill also include amnesty for the people
that are already here? Yeah, this is years after
the fact. The damage was already done. But what
was the bill? Well, the bill was nothing. It
allowed two million people in. They were going
to get amnesty. It was a horrible bill. It didn't
protect us at all. But we should just tell people
what the strategy is. So one of the things that's
been very clear is that they've moved a large
percentage of these migrants. They're coming
across the border illegally. They've moved them
to swing states. This is what's going on with
Springfield, Ohio, right? They're in swing states?
Well, that's not a swing state. I'm going to
win Ohio by a lot. So that's not a swing. But
it's called Springfield, Ohio, to be exact. And
Springfield, Ohio. is this very nice community
of 52 ,000 people that just had 32 ,000 migrants
that don't speak the language dropped into their
community. You can't get into a hospital. You
can't get into a school. It's gone from a beautiful
little place to a horror show. And the mayor
is a nice guy. And the mayor says, we're looking
for interpreters. I said, no. You've got to remove
them and bring them back to their country, mostly
Haitians in this case. But they speak no language,
they speak no English. In fact, even the language
they do speak, I mean, they can't get interpreters,
they can't do anything. And the mayor's trying
to be politically correct, they're all trying
to be. In Aurora, Colorado, you have the worst,
probably the worst gang. MS -13 might even be,
you know, those two are the worst gangs. These
are Venezuela gangs. They have taken over. apartment
complexes, and they're going to want to take
over the whole thing. And you have a weak governor,
a pathetic governor, who's a radical left Democrat.
He doesn't know what the hell to do. But you
have it in many other communities, but they don't
like to talk about it because it's bad for the
community to talk about it. These people have
been let in here by this imbecile. I mean it.
She's a low IQ person. Low IQ. Right, but it's
also obviously not just her. There's a strategy
involved in letting these people in. Well, she
was in charge of the border. Well, she's in charge
of the border, but they also, they utilize that
app. The app that used to be used. It used to
be used, I think, essentially. Wasn't it for
shipping? Wasn't it when people were in this
country? It was used for shipping, and now it's
used to deal with the cartels. The cartel, heads
of the cartel, rich people, by the way. These
are loaded. These people have so much money.
They would call up. Think of this. They call
up the app, and the app tells them where they
should take their load of illegal migrants from
the Congo. You know, we have a lot from the Congo,
prisons in the Congo. I made a little bit of
a sarcastic joke. A man named Dana White, who
you love, who I love. I assume you love him.
Love that dude. I think he's in a class by him.
He's probably the reason why you're here. I don't
know, maybe. He's one of the big ones. He is
the greatest guy. You know, I always say, nobody's
indispensable, you know, everybody can be replaced.
Maybe you can't be, you might not be, but they
know it truly. I don't think, you know, they
sold it for four billion. I said, who the hell
is going to pay four billion? They made, like,
a great deal. I mean, because of him. Take him
out. I think it's a whole different person. No,
he's the best promoter of all time. And he's
also the greatest guy. He spoke at the whole
thing with, you know, I had just been shot, and
he got up and he spoke so better than anybody.
I mean, who would be better to introduce you?
I asked of all the people, and I know the biggest
people in the world, and they all would have
loved to have done it. I said, Dana, would you
do it? You know, it was interesting. He was away.
And he said to the people that, you know, one
of my guys called, he said, I won't be able to
do it. I just left with my wife and family. I
said, we said no, yeah. I was a little surprised,
even though I knew he was very far away. He was
in some place, and he deserved it with his family
and all that. And then I said, all right, so
we'll look at who we're gonna get. And all of
a sudden she comes in. Sir Dana White just said
he's going to do it, and he's coming back in
tonight. The guy is just an incredible guy, and
he's like a tough champion. but loyal, yeah.
He's gotta be one of your favorite people. He's
one of my favorite people. I love him to death.
I've been friends with him for 23 years. I love
him to death. So, would you have, because what
you're doing here is incredible. I mean, everybody
tells me. All I noticed today, I'm going, you
know, you're on Joe Rogan, people are telling
me like, I said, I say, how the hell do you know
that? But it's sort of, what you've done here
is amazing. Where would you be if you didn't
do the UFC stuff? Would you have this show, do
you think? Yeah, I would still be doing it, for
sure. Would it be at the same level? I don't
know. But you would have... It's hard to know.
I think, you know, one of the things that works
for this show, I guess, is that I'm involved
in so many different things. You know, stand
-up comedy, UFC, and all the interests that I
have that lead to the podcast. Will you always
want to do your... First of all, you love UFC.
I love it, yeah. You love the fights. I mean,
I watch you. Oh, yeah. You are loving it. They
could pay you nothing. It'd be very... They didn't
pay me anything for the first, like, 13 shows.
I did it for free. Because they were hemorrhaging
money. And I became friends with Dana. And my
position was, you're going to... give me the
best seat in the house. I get to sit cage side
for the fights. I'll do it and I wanted to help.
I was like, I think these are the guys that we
had always hoped for. In the early days of the
sport, I started working for the company in 1997.
I was the, before the UFC was purchased by Zufa,
which Dana worked for. So I was a part of the
previous owners. And I only did it for a couple
of years. It was just too much and I was losing
money. And it was banned from cable because of
Budweiser and John McCain. And you could only
get it on direct TV. And so then I came along
and I gave him the sites. And he loves you for
that. And he never forgot it. He loves you for
that. He talks about it all the time. Just to
interrupt you for one second. They couldn't get
a site because it was too dangerous and everybody
was against it and they couldn't get a license.
And I gave them the first two or three sites.
And they were great. And by the way, I went to
the first fight. I said, I never saw anything
like this. It was crazy. It was so good. Take
the best fight you've ever seen. It was like
that fight, right? It was so good that I gave
it to him again and all of a sudden he caught
on. But you know, When I wasn't in vogue, you
know, I've had time you probably never had a
time, but I had times when I wasn't exactly in
vogue Dana they called him. He said he's the
greatest guy. There's nobody like he said I'll
never say anything bad about that guy because
when I needed because I'm having a hard time
at the beginning They almost pulled the plug
a couple of times, right? He said he stood up
and he gave us stuff that nobody else gave us
and nobody wanted anything to do and he said
I will never, and there was a time... where it
would have been very popular of him to say bad
stuff about me. He said the greatest stuff about
me. He said, you're going to try and get me to
say bad stuff about Trump? I'm never doing it.
No, he's a very, very, very loyal guy. Very unusual
guy. He's a fantastic guy. A perfect guy to be
at the helm of something so controversial as
the UFC. Less controversial now. Well, now it's
huge. Yeah. Well, this was always the thing that
I would hope did. I always knew that it was unbelievably
entertaining, but I just didn't know if maybe
I was crazy. Maybe I loved it because I've this
long history of being involved in martial arts
and maybe like other people who just think it's
too violent, but Can boxing make it? Yeah boxing
still a great sport. I love boxing, but it seems
to be So unimportant now by comparison to UFC.
Don't you think I think well, you know Dana is
working with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia They're
gonna start promoting boxing now and with Dana
at the helm of it I think boxing could return
because the thing is they want to make fights
that maybe promoters don't want to make because
they want to protect their fighter. Controversial
fights where it's dangerous, like you don't know
this guy could lose. And so the Saudis, they're
smart. They just offer a tremendous amount of
money, and they're putting together fights that
no one else can put together. They're doing that
in boxing. If Dane is involved, he'll probably
make it good. You know the amazing thing, though,
in fighting? No UFC fighter, they say, has ever
died. And it looks to me much more violent than
Bucks. Many boxes have died. Isn't it interesting
and Dana tells me because they take so many shots
to the face Yes, and there's also no other options
to preserve yourself to protect yourself So if
you get hit in a UFC fight, you can clinch you
can try to take the fight to the ground You know
options also you don't get allowed to get knocked
down and then get back up when you get knocked
down you're concussed and Generally, you know
if a guy's really hurt they could be finished
in on the ground and the fights over if it's
boxing You have ten seconds to get up you get
up your head kind of clear But you're still in
real bad trouble and you can kind of run away
and survive until the bell rings There are only
three minute rounds and then you start again.
So you're getting repeated punishment to the
head Yeah, you know and then there's also the
issue of guys weight cutting, you know Which
is a problem with the UFC as well But weight
cutting and boxing has led to if you look at
deaths in boxing There's very few of them in
the heavyweight division most of the deaths in
boxing or the lighter weight divisions because
when guys dehydrate themselves to Lose weight
to make weight their brain is the last thing
that gets rehydrated. Like, it's very difficult
to completely rehydrate your brain quickly. And
you only have 24 hours between the weigh -in
and the fight. And it used to be the weigh -ins
were the day of the fight. Like when Boom Boom
Mancini had a fight with Daku Kim and killed
him in the ring, which is one of the last ones
on television that we've seen. That was a crazy
event for people and heartbreaking. And it led
to a bunch of different changes. And one of them
is day before weigh -ins to allow people to rehydrate
better. And the other one is they dropped it
from 15 rounds down to 20. Which look they should
do that again, you know, I'm not I'm not the
fighter so But those 15 round fights were unbelievable.
They were unbelievable. Unbelievable. Yeah. You
go back to the golden age. Yeah. In terms of
entertainment. Oh, yeah. Those were the championship
reps. Those were the greatest fights. Those last
three rounds were crazy. That was brutal. I mean,
it's such a war of attrition. You know, a lot
of people think even like a five round UFC fight.
The UFC is five minute rounds. It's so much energy
you're burning out. And those last couple of
rounds, those five round fights, the fourth and
the fifth round, unbelievably brutal. Who's the
greatest? UFC fighter in you are you allowed
to say in your opinion it's tough for you to
say because you do this but who do you think
is the greatest of the fighters there's there's
a lot of arguments for who's the greatest of
all time you know John Jones Most people would
say it's the greatest of all time never lost
It says there's certainly a really good argument
for that. There's another argument for George
St. Pierre I always leave in BJ Penn in his prime
Anderson Silva and his prime You know Mighty
Mouse people forget about Mighty Mouse because
unfortunately, he's a smaller guy. It's 125 pounds
flyweight champion He's one of the greatest expressions
of mixed martial arts. I've ever seen I think
to this day and can be fantastic, but if you
looked at like a comp in terms of championship
fights, could be retired 29 and 0, but he didn't
have as many world championship fights. He might
have lost to Glace and Tebow. He might have lost
to him. A round. Might have lost a round. And
that was a controversial fight where people think
that Glace and Tebow could have even got the
decision in that fight. I'd have to go back and
watch it again to make a decision. They're great
athletes. Oh, the best athletes in the world.
And the most dangerous sport in terms of like,
I always call it high level problem solving with
dire physical consequences. That's what fighting
is. You know, I never forget. So there was a
fighter named James Tony. Oh, yeah, I love James
Tony. He fought as a very light fighter and he
ended up as a heavyweight. This guy went through
everything. He was almost like a lightweight.
He went from middleweight all the way up to heavyweight.
And he was a real fighter. Oh, yeah. So James
Tony. And I think it was St. George St. Pierre.
I think it was him. Who did he fight? James Tony.
He fought a UFC fighter. Yeah, Randy Couture
fought James Tony. But that was like an easy
fight. That was a very easy fight. Randy Couture
just took him down and strangled him. And he's
half the size. Once he got to the ankles, in
fact, the announcer said, it's over. And he put
him to sleep. Yeah, he ankle picked him, took
him down, mounted him, strangled him. It was
pretty quick. But he was talking big, because
he was much bigger. He was a pretty big guy.
I think James just wanted to make some money
in that fight. You think so? Yeah. But I never
forgot it. I don't think he knew what he was
doing. It was over very quickly, and he was lying
sleeping on the mat. And he was talking. He was
doing the Muhammad Ali stuff, but it didn't work
out. But I remember. He sold the fight. Yeah,
that was Couture, probably. Yeah, it was Couture.
George never fought a boxer in an MMA fight.
If he did, he would kill them. Was he one of
the greatest? Yes, unquestionably. That's the
argument. There's like a handful of guys you
can make the argument as the greatest of all
time. People forget about Anderson Silva. In
his prime, he was unstoppable. But that's the
thing is. Anderson Silva? And then there's Fedor
Emelianenko, who fought in Pride. In his prime,
he was unstoppable. And you have a couple now
that are pretty good. Yes. Oh, we've got so many
now. Alex Pereira. There's an argument that he's
the top pound -for -pound fighter in the world
right now. He's looking very good, yeah. He's
unbelievable. But it's like, fighters can only
compete at that level for so many years. And
so, in my opinion, you have to judge them at
their very peak. You can't judge them when they're
hanging on and still fighting. You can't judge
them when they're coming up. You got to judge
them in that championship peak. In that championship
peak, there's a handful of guys that you would
consider at the very top. If they stopped a little
bit sooner. Yeah, some of them would have had
you know, I mean there are a couple of that You
just mentioned without mentioning names and they
stopped they had the perfect they were unbelievable
And then at a certain age they start getting
knocked out, right? Yes, it's unfortunate But
the thing is that same belief in themselves that
lets them become a champion Okay, something that
they can do it long past the time that they actually
can well Anderson Silver was essentially unbeatable.
Mm -hmm And then he lost a close one, then all
of a sudden he had to... No, he got knocked out.
He got knocked out by Chris Weidman. Right. He
was kind of clowning in that fight, famously.
And Chris Weidman had a vicious left hook, knocked
him out. And then they fought a second time,
and he broke his leg on Chris Weidman. Right.
That's right. And after that fight, he was kind
of never the same, because that leg break injury,
which Conor McGregor had, there's quite a few
fighters... That was a bad one. Weidman actually
wound up having the same injury, ironically.
There's only been like four of those. You're
never the same, because you can't kick. You're
never the same. Well, you can. is still kicking
with that leg, you can, but psychologically,
when you throw a kick and your leg snaps in half,
and you're in agony for a year, right? You have
to get surgery, you have to get bolts and plates
to keep your leg together, and then it takes
forever for it to heal. It always amazed me how
the kicker, I mean, you have those cases, but
the kicker will do tremendous damage to somebody's
leg. But their leg doesn't seem to get damaged,
isn't it? It does get damaged. It hurts. More
than you think. Yeah, but your shin, your shin
gets very numb after a while. And guys that are
really good kickers, they're kicking the thigh
and they're kicking the calf. They're kicking
soft areas. And they're slamming this hard, numb
shin. Their shin gets all these like micro fractures
all over the shin and it calcifies. Like these
guys can kick baseball bats. Ever seen them break
baseball bats with their shins? It's crazy. Some
guys can do two baseball. bats. Someone will
hold the baseball bat and they'll just kick right
through them. Because their shins almost get
numb. But see, I want your enthusiasm now, right?
Yeah. And it's like, that's why you're good.
Nobody does this better. Without the enthusiasm.
Forget it. What has to be authentic like that?
I mean the only reason why I do MMA commentary
is because I I'm very interested in it for real
It's I'm not I don't have to manufacture it.
I'm very interested So I you love going in there
after the fight and they're sweating all over
you. They're slapping all of you. You're beautiful.
They're bleeding Does that bother you a little
bit? Yeah, like Two weeks ago with a guy, I never
saw him. More stuff came out of his nose. Yes,
it was pretty nasty. But no, I'm very used to
it. I just wanted him to be able to express himself.
You've done a great job. Thank you. Thank you.
So, back to you. First of all, I love this idea
of you teaming up with Robert Kennedy. And I
love this Make America Healthy Again. idea because
there are chemicals and ingredients in our food
that are illegal in other countries because they've
been shown to be toxic. There's pesticides and
herbicides and there's a lot of shit that's been
sprayed on our food that really is unnecessary
and there's a lot of health consequences that
people are suffering from a lot of these things.
I brought this chart for you because I had a
feeling you'd be asking me. Look at this chart.
These are healthier countries. Look where the
United States is. I'm going to send this to RFK
Jr. Look at this. So this is, well, something
along the line. I was actually talking to RFK
today, and he told me that more than 70 percent
of young men are ineligible for the military
because of their health. I could see it. A lot
of it's obesity. So here's the life expectancy
versus health expenditure. Same chart. Did you
see that? USA. That's pretty good. Jamie's the
best. He's very good. He's the best. But look
at that. Look at the USA. It's not good. And
that's our food. That's our diet. That's sedentary
lifestyle. That's our diet. That's the chemicals
we ingest. That's what that is. But RFK is going
to be very... I think he's a great... I'd love
the fact that you guys teamed up. Yeah. And are
you guys, are you completely committed to have
him a part of your administration? Oh, I am.
But the only thing I want to be a little careful
about with him is the environmental. Because,
you know, he doesn't like oil. I love oil, I
guess. I think, you know, I think it's to fire.
So I'm going to sort of keep him out of a little
bit. I said focus on health. You can do whatever
you want. But I've got to be a little bit careful
with the liquid gold, you know? I understand.
But listen, there's plenty of good work that
could be done if you focus on health. Here's
the one that's my all -time favorite, though.
What is that? See the arrow right here? That's
what I love. Do you have anyone that is pressuring
you to not work with him? Have there been people
that are reaching RFK Junior? Yes. Yes. I would
imagine. Because financially, he could put a
dent. I would say that, and you know, the I think
in many ways they've done a good job, in many
ways they've done a bad job. But I would say
that the big pharma wasn't thrilled when they
heard that, you know, I have a relate. I've actually
always gotten along very well with him. I've
known him a long time. He's a different kind
of a guy. He's very smart, great guy. And he's
very sincere about this. I mean, he really is,
you know, he thinks we spend a fortune on pesticides
and all this stuff. And then you end up with
that chart is a terrible chart, the one previous.
It's such a bad chart when you look at where
we are compared to other countries that don't
spend ten cents. Right. So, you know, and you
save a lot of money, but yeah, I've had some
people that aren't exactly thrilled. You can
imagine right sure it's a good question actually
well certainly if there doesn't affect me some
Pharmaceutical drugs that have been prescribed
that have negative consequences that these people
have been profiting off of and then you have
a guy like RFK jr Who spends an enormous amount
of time highlighting those things you could say
how they've been very reluctant to have you support
him I would say that's an understatement. Yeah,
so what do you do to? Stop that from getting
in the way well look They've come up with some
amazing things. I mean, I don't know how you
feel. I know you're against certain vaccines.
But like the polio vaccine, people had polio.
It was like a disaster. And they came up, Dr.
Salk, and he came up with a vaccine, and there's
no polio. Now, very interesting. There hasn't
been polio, but now in the Gaza Strip. Can you
believe that? Have you heard that? There's been
a big strain of polio coming out in the Gaza
Strip. Is it vaccine -derived polio? Because,
you know, there's a strain of polio that comes
directly from the vaccine, because unfortunately,
sometimes when you vaccinate people for polio,
you actually give them polio. See, I haven't
heard of that, yeah. I mean, all I can do is
I sit down and I listen to him and I'll give
it a total. I would love him to be right. Because
if he's right, it's a lot less expensive, generally
speaking. There are two things that people point
to when they point to the dangers of the pharmaceutical
drug industry. One thing is when pharmaceutical
drugs were allowed to advertise on television.
We're only one of two countries in the world
that allow pharmaceutical drugs to advertise
on TV. The other one's New Zealand, but they're
more restrictive than we are. But those ads,
those ads, when you hear like, you know, take
a certain drug. And then you hear all the consequences?
is cancer, and baldness, we don't like baldness.
Suicidal ideation. And this, and that, and eyesight,
and you can lose your vision. And you know, I
actually asked one of these guys, I would never
take, I mean, because there's things that are
so bad, they go through a whole list, I guess
they save some liability, but man, I said, does
that affect the purchase? And they say it really
does. When there's something you have and you
read, and then they go through the list of -
Side effects. The potential side, it's not even
the potential side effects. Right. A lot of people
are just, I ask that question, people hear that.
When I hear it, I'm gonna take a pass that says,
may affect your vision, may cause blindness,
may this. Yes. Well, I know you're aware of Cali
and KC Means, right? Yes. Well, one of the things
that they pointed out, and this is a very important
thing for people to understand, is what a lot
of these drugs do is they act to... to somehow
or another mitigate the effects of poor metabolic
health. But most of these problems that these
people are suffering from wouldn't exist if we
put an emphasis on metabolic health. If people
got healthier, they started eating nutritious
food and taking vitamins, a whole host of these
problems that people are having would go away.
And the problem with that from the pharmaceutical
drug standpoint is they wouldn't be able to sell
drugs to these people. And this is a fear that
a lot of people have. And the pesticides and
things like that on the plants. What do you think
of that? It's terrible. Well, I think regenerative
agriculture, unfortunately, is very difficult
to scale to a point where you got a jack -in
-the -box on every corner. If everybody wants
food and we have food deserts and we have places
like Los Angeles where no one's growing anything
and everything has to be shipped in, it's very
difficult to feed that many people. We've created
this incredible society where we have these enormous
cities, but it's in It's very difficult to get
food to these people. And then for a lot of these
people in low income areas, the only food that's
available is cheap, unhealthy food. That's right.
We could fix that. If we could send $175 billion
to Ukraine, we could do something to fix a lot
of the health problems that the United States
has. And I think it would help us as a nation
overall. If you just put it out there that, hey,
as a nation, we're going to make a concerted
effort to get people healthier. Just put it out
there, and people start making better choices.
Well, when you look at that chart, I was... It's
crazy. They just gave me that chart because they
said you made... want to discuss this topic,
which I know is a big topic for you. And when
I looked at that chart and I looked at how unhealthy
we are as a nation, that's a pretty big thing.
How are you so healthy? Is it golf? No, it's
genetics, I believe. You know, I'm a big believer.
Genetics is a big factor. I really am. I mean,
my father was... Unfortunately, it is a big factor
for health. Some people are just way more robust.
But you do play golf a lot, and that is exercise.
Both of my parents. For me, it's good. Fresh
air, exercise. Even mentally, you're focused
on that three -footer and for some, for a couple
of hours you're not. And I go quick, I play fast,
real fast and I'm in, I'm out. But you know,
it gives me, I was never one that could like
run on a treadmill. I just, and I can do it,
you know, when passing a physical, they asked
me to run on a treadmill and then they make it
steeper and steeper and steeper. And the doctor
said, it was at Walter Reed, they said, It's
unbelievable. I'm telling you, I felt I could
have gone all day. But I said, Doc, I can do
this all day long. I have no problem. But it's
boring to me. Do you understand? It's just boring.
Golf's exciting. But I did it for so long, they
couldn't believe it that I did it. And I never,
you know, I don't do it. I don't do it. You know,
I have friends that are running this stuff all
day long. But I had no problem doing it. But
it's really boring. So with golf or something,
you know, or tennis or whatever. Right. Golf,
as you get older, there's something really good
about it. And you have competition with your
friends. Competition, concentration, focus. And
it's a great handicap sport. And it's also a
thing, I think, that it cleans your mind. Because
when you're looking at a shot, that's all you
can think of when you're executing. It gives
you a couple of hours. You know, it's interesting.
Like with tennis, if you're much better than
somebody, you can't really play with somebody.
You know, it doesn't work. You can give them
sort of the equivalent of strokes, right? But
it's not the same. With golf, you can play with
a lousy guy and give him a stroke a hole or two
strokes a hole or something. You know, it's a
good handicapping sport. Right. But it gives
me a little exercise. But I haven't played in
a long time. I won a lot. I won 32 club championships.
Didn't you play right after you got shot? No.
What I did is I played with Bryson DeChambeau.
Do you know Bryson? Yes. The pro. He's a great
player. We played it was a certain thing that
we played I guess called breaking 50 or something
50 would play for a certain T and if you can
break 50 and it got tremendous ratings sort of
like a Crazy thing it got to me. He's a great
guy. He's a great couple of days after you got
shot I don't know. I know I think I did. Yeah,
maybe I did but I You know, I view it very interestingly.
I'm running for president of the United States.
To me, it's such a big deal. It's so important.
So I've got now. It's the biggest deal in the
free world. It's a hundred times bigger than
the Super Bowl and it's one person. Yeah. So
you're down to two people and we start off at
nine billion because you have nine nine billion
they say in the world. Who knows what that number
is. But you get down to three hundred and fifty
million. Sadly, we have no idea what we have
in this country. But let's assume it's three
twenty five, three fifty. And you're down to
two people. It's the biggest thing in the world.
And when I heard she took off yesterday and she
took off the day before, and she's going to take
off tomorrow or the next day, I haven't taken
a day off in 56 days. That's a long time. I haven't
taken one day off. I don't want to plug up. This
is too exciting. Golf is great, but this is too
exciting. This is more exciting than anything
you can do. Also, it's the home stretch. It's
the home stretch. Who would take a day off? So
we have 11 days left now. And think of it. So
I think I've gone 54, 55 days in a row. No days
off. And I make speeches oftentimes. You know,
sometimes not, but I make speeches. And when
you make a speech, and my speeches last a long
time because of the weave, you know, I mean,
I weave stories into it. And if you don't, if
you just read a teleprompter, nobody's going
to... be very exciting, you gotta weave it out.
But as you say, you always have to get right
back to it, otherwise it's no good. But the weave
is very important, very few weavers around. But
it's a big strain on your, it's a lot of work,
it's a lot of work. You gotta be careful with
the voice, you can lose that voice, if voice
wasn't designed. I said today, so I made a big
one last night, I was in Las Vegas. Big one the
night before in Arizona Big one. I mean, they're
all big We have the there's never been anything
like it in terms of crowd never been close Never
been close. They say he talks about crowd says,
you know, it's very interesting So we get crowds
that are really big and I say, you know I've
never had a story because I don't get good press.
I don't think I've had a good story in years
I really don't I don't I swear I don't think
I you were talking about it a little bit with
Oprah Everybody loved me. I don't think I became
president of the United States. I Did great the
second time I did much better I I don't want
to get you in in any disputes But I won that
second election so easy and not just because
let me let me wait that let's I want to talk
to you I did that And now I've gotten the nomination
again. And don't forget, to get these nominations,
you go against very smart people. Ron DeSantis
was hot. Had to go through him. Nikki Haley was
hot. Had to go through her. Went through everybody.
Record time, right? Record time. I got three
nominations in a row. Won the first time. Did
much better the second time. You know, I get
millions of votes more the second time. And now
I'm doing it a third time. And it's an incredible
thing. I never get a good story. I only get bad
press. Now I will say this. It's a lot easier
if you're a Democrat. If I were a Democrat, you'd
get a lot of positive press. I would get a lot
of positive press. Yeah. No, it's a it's a creepy,
corrupt business. And the media, to a large extent,
acts as a propaganda arm for the Democratic Party.
It's not it's not even believable. Yeah, it's
believe it's bizarre to watch. And most, you
know, most young people, I think, are aware of
it. I think most boomers still, unfortunately,
read the newspapers and believe in CNN. But it's
getting younger. Yes. It's getting for us for
a conservative. And you know, I don't even, I
consider myself a person. But you know why that
is? It's the internet. It's because the internet's
giving people information that they're not getting
from anywhere else. And they like the very fine
people hoax, the Russiagate hoax, all these different
things that they've done, they tried to pin on
you, that's like, it's a clear distortion of
what you actually said. The bloodbath hoax. Yes.
I was talking about the auto industry. It's a
bloodbath because Japan and China taking our
order and I said it's a bloodbath they said oh
he used the word bloodbath terrible thing they
do but that's the problem with propagandists
because they take things out of context and ultimately
what they do is they diminish their own credibility
because people don't want to listen to them anymore
because they see that they've done that and they
recognize what's going on and they feel insulted
their intelligence well look at the ratings yeah
you know shows like yours So I have a son who's
very smart and tall, Baron, right? And he knows
all about you. He knows about guys I never heard
of. He said, Dad, you don't know how big they
are. They're big. You know, he told me how big.
I said, who the hell is he? Like Ross. He said,
Dad, he's a great guy. I mean, guys that are
doing. It's a whole new world out there. It's
a different world. You know, I'm on TikTok now.
Congratulations. And I've done really well. No,
but you know the crazy. Have you seen the numbers?
Billions, like billions of hits. It's crazy.
I'm sure. TikTok's a wild application. And I've
gone up 30 points. A Republican is always down
30 with young people. I'm plus 30. And I'm on
TikTok. It's had a huge impact. Young people
are rejecting a lot of this woke bullshit. Young
people are tired of being yelled at and scolded.
They're tired of these people that they think
are mentally ill, telling them what the moral
standards of society should be today. And people
are upset. There's a big difference now, but
even in just a couple of years. Was shaking hands
with people they're young people the rebels are
Republicans now. They're like you want to be
a rebel You want to be punk rock? You want to
like buck the system? You're a conservative now?
That's that's how crazy and then the liberals
are now pro Pro silencing criticism. They're
they're pro Censorship online they're talking
about regulating free speech and they're regulating
the First Amendment. It's bananas to watch. Joe,
they come after their political opponent. I got
more guys. I always say, you know, I kid, but
I'm not kidding. I've been investigated more
than Alphonse Capone. He was the meanest of them
all. He'd kill you in two seconds if he didn't
like you, right? I've been under investigation
more than Alphonse Capone, only because it's
political opponent stuff. And I've won. I won
the big case in Florida. I'm winning the other
stuff. You win, but you know what they did. They
did something that's only done in third world
countries They came after their political opponent.
Yeah, I could have put crooked Hillary in jail
Well, not only that but they're never weaponizing
it by saying that that's what you were going
to do once you get an office Ignoring what they're
doing right now. It's crazy. I heard it somebody
was defending me to they says no, that's They
say that's what you're doing to him. They're
going he's gonna put us in jail. He's gonna invest
It's what you're doing. That's what you're doing
to him. Yeah. A lot of people say, will you do
that? Will you do that to him? To them, if you
win. The presidency has tremendous power. I could
have put Crooked Hillary in jail. I respected
that you didn't, because what you said was it
would be bad for the country. No, I couldn't
even imagine you have, first of all, Secretary
of State, but more importantly, the wife of the
President of the United States of America. going
into jail and if you ever saw when I'd say something
about her they're all say I didn't say it I never
said it they say lock her up lock her and I'd
always go take it easy just relax we're gonna
win this thing take it easy take it easy and
I'm telling you I kept it down just the opposite
now they say oh Trump wanted to put her in jail
no I saved her from going to jail they had more
stuff on her and Comey had it because when Comey
got up And he stupidly, because he's a stupid
guy too, he goes, he's a stupid son of a bitch.
He got up, Joe, he got up, and instead of saying
she's innocent of all charges, he went over each
charge. And each charge was a killer. And he'd
go, and as far as her doing this, she's innocent.
And this, and then she's only an unfair prosecutor.
But every time you heard these charges, they
sounded so bad. They were bad. And all it was
is he wanted more airtime. If he would have gone
up and said, I've thoroughly investigated Hillary
Clinton, and she's done nothing that we feel
is wrong, it would have ended. Instead, he wanted
to be up there, because he's a PR hound. He's
a hog. And he starts going through the... And
you know what he had? They had a huge problem,
because FBI is great. The people there. Not the...
top people, the people, the real people, the
people that work there. It's like the real generals
that I told you about that defeated ISIS in record
time. The FBI guys are great. I'll bet you I'd
be at 95 % in the FBI. I bet that's right. Underneath.
Yeah. And so here's the thing. So he goes with
Hillary, and instead of just saying, He goes
through each charge, and even I was saying, man,
those are bad charges. Sounds terrible, because
it's associating her with those charges. Don't
forget, this is before I got there. Now, he was
trying to protect her, but he did her a great
disservice. because he wanted attention. So I
want to talk about 2020, because you said over
and over again that you were robbed in 2020.
Yeah, totally. How do you think you were robbed?
Everybody always cuts you off. Well, they not
only cut you off. Well, what I'd rather do is
we'll do it another time. And I would bring in
papers that you would not believe. So many different
papers. That election was so crooked. It was
the most crooked election. Okay, but give me
some examples of how well, let's start Let's
start the top and the easy ones. Okay, they were
supposed to get Legislative approval to do the
things they did and they didn't get it in many
cases. They didn't get it. What things? anything
like for extensions of the voting for for voting
earlier for this all different things By law,
they had to get legislative approvals. You don't
have to go any further than that. If you take
a look at Wisconsin, they virtually admitted
that the election was rigged, robbed, and stolen.
They wouldn't give access in certain areas to
the ballots because the ballots weren't signed.
They weren't originals. We could go into this
stuff. We could go into the ballots, or we could
go into the overall. I'll give you another one.
Are you going to present this ever? Like, do
you think... Let me just give you one more before.
Okay, go ahead. 51 intelligence agents come up
that the laptop was from Russia. It turned out
to be totally false. 51 former intelligence agents,
right? They say that made... I don't believe
it's this much, but it doesn't matter. Won by
like I lost by like I didn't lose but they say
I lost Joe they say I lost by 22 ,000 votes That's
like one tenth of 1 % less than that. It's a
tiny little thing 22 ,000 votes spread over that's
spread over this this period so 51 intelligence
agents lied they lied they lied they knew it
was It was Hunter's. It was from his bed. It
was Hunter's laptop. They said it was created
by Russia. Russia, Russia, Russia. It was the
Russia hoax. The Russia hoax was a big hoax.
It was all a big hoax. Well, that's clear. That's
one example. But that is a good example. But
that's a big example. They say it made a 17 -point
difference. That's a big example. But that's
only one. And you could go into the ballots where
they wouldn't give you access to the ballots.
You could go into the ballot harvesting. You
could go into $500 million for the lock boxes.
But just in terms of narrative, so there's two
things, right? There's the Russia hoax. There's
the collusion with Russia that was never proven,
right? That's one. No, it's proven it didn't
happen. Right, right. But they talked about it
on television. But it took two and a half years
to prove. But not only that, but it was a constant
narrative on television. So that's a constant
narrative that gets into people's minds, especially
low information people that just watch the news,
that you're in collusion with Russia. So that's
one. So that changes the narrative. And then
you have the 51 former intelligence agents that
work with the original Twitter and get them to
remove links. You can't share it on DMs. You
cannot share that story. They swept that story
because they said it was Russian disinformation,
even though they knew it was not. So that's two
examples that are real examples. Now, anyone
who considers himself a legitimate objective
observer of American politics, if you really
want the best person to win, you would want people
to not lie. And the only reason why they got
away with this lie was because they continually
labeled you as this horrible threat to democracy
and Hitler. They kept saying you're going to
be a dictator, ignoring the fact that you weren't
a dictator for the four years when you were actually
the president. I was actually the opposite of
a dictator. I was a very straight guy. But look,
those three things, you take those three things,
each one of them by themselves causes the result
to be different. It does. And then you can go
into 100 other things. There are so many. We
can't have corrupt elections and we can't have
open borders. You need to have a country. You
need borders. You need fair elections. And I'll
tell you the other thing you need is you need
a free and fair press. One of the things I like
about doing a show like this. Can you imagine
Kamala doing this show? I could imagine her doing
the show. She'd be laying on the floor. She was
supposed to do it, and she might still do it,
and I hope she does. She's not going to do it.
I will talk to her like a human being. I would
try to have a conversation with her. If she did
this kind of an interview with you, I hope she
does, because it would be a mess. She'd be laying
on the floor, comatose. She'd be saying, call
in the medics. I think we'd have a fine conversation.
I think I'd be able to talk to her. I wouldn't
try to interview her. I'd just try to have a
conversation with her, and hopefully get to know
her as a human being. That was my goal. having
her on trying to get her to express herself just
as I don't know if these I don't think these
formats are good I don't think that two people
first of all I hate the idea the presidential
debates because I hate the idea of a time limitation
on complex ideas also you have to break I think
you have to have the debates right but the way
they do the debates I think is the wrong way
to do it I think they should have a conversation
I think you and Kamala you sit across the table
with no one in the room but the two of you Of
course you're not going to shout at each other.
Of course you're not going to insult each other.
Well, you may. I mean, it may get... Hopefully
it wouldn't, but that would be the way to do
it. They used to do it that way in the old days.
To put cameras on you with no one interfering
with checking whether or not it's factual, especially
when it's biased, because they checked you all
those times and they didn't check her, with clearly
things that were inaccurate, right? have two
people just have a conversation with those without
a time constraint. And also this ideal, they
cut off the microphone. Well, and no crowd. No
crowd. Crazy, too, because you're good at working
a crowd. I would rather have a crowd. Of course
you would. You're good at crowds. But I had no.
So they gave me an alternative. I don't think
you want to debate. Why did they want no crowd?
What was the argument? Because I think they thought
I wasn't going to accept it. So I believe what
they wanted to do is have me not accept. So they
gave me a deal I couldn't refuse. And I said,
I'll do it, OK? It's like the mob. Right. I'll
take it. So they came to me, they said, we'll
debate Joe Biden. You know, that thing got tremendous
ratings, too. That was crazy. But we'll debate
Joe Biden. But you can't have a crowd. They also
wanted sitting down. I said, that's the only
thing I said. Look, you got to you got to stand
up. You can't really sit down. Right. In the
old days, they did sit down a little bit. But
but he gets tired. You got to stand up. And they
agreed to it. It was a very tough thing. It almost
killed it. They wanted to have, like, desks where
we sit. And I said, I think we should stand up.
And that was the only thing I asked for. I said,
we've got to stand up. I thought it looked bad
for, like, the public. But they said, no crowd
and cut off the mic. And I said, I can live with
it. I mean, I can live with it. And they thought
I was going to reject it. And then they would
say he didn't want to debate Sleepy Joe. Right.
That's what they thought was going on. Well,
they tried to say that with you and Kamala as
well. They tried to say that you didn't want
to debate her as well. No, by the way, with her,
number one, I'm leading. Number two, you know,
I didn't. They also said it with the primary.
So I had like 10, 12 guys in the prime and no
stupid guys. I mean, they're governors in the
Senate. They're not stupid people. Some are stupid,
but not all of them. And all my guys said, you
have to be in the debate. I said, why? I'm leading
by 74 points. The closest guy to me, I'm like
60 points, 70 points higher. Why would I stand
there like an idiot for two hours and let every
one of them scream at me? I'm gonna be the focus.
And I said, I'm not debating. And it was a very
smart thing because they just killed themselves.
The Republican primaries. Yeah, the Republican
primaries. I like debating. I think you have
to debate. But it has to be fair. I like debating
like the Rosie O'Donnell debate. I like debating
when you have a credit. Remember the Rosie Adele?
It was a crazy thing, Megan. That was a hell
of a question, man. If I didn't come up with
that answer. It was a great line. Well, what
it was is, you know, that was we had 28 ,000
people. That was the Cleveland Arena where the
Cavaliers played. Right. LeBron James. Not a
big fan of LeBron James, but he is a good basketball
player. But, you know, that was the. And when
I said that, that place went crazy. And she kept
talking. Because it's funny. No, she had like
10 other... Yeah, well, Megan said you said it
to other people and you admitted you did. But
it was funny. It was a comedic timing moment.
It was fine. That's what they wanted to avoid.
It was lucky I did it because... She was drowned.
Oh, she wasn't fined that question, but she kept
talking, but you couldn't hear to this day They
don't know what she said, but it wasn't buzz
So anyway, but we had a good time It's comedic
timing and that's the reason why to have an abate
a debate in front of a large audience and then
they do I got very good reviews on that. That
was great. Very funny Very funny stuff that Tim
Wall stuff was very funny It's funny that's a
real that's a crazy one she did she said that
she had picked him and this one of the question
I want to ask her when she was sleep deprived
She said she was suffering from sleep deprivation
when she picked him, which is just I was maybe
take a nap So I was okay. Look, let's see how
it all turns out. I think we're gonna win I think
we're way ahead now. I think we're way ahead,
but but Can I bring it back? I think they're
gonna look at Two things. They're going to say
they should have had a primary, even if it was
a short primary. They shouldn't have picked her.
And then she's going to say, I shouldn't have
picked this guy. She shouldn't have picked that
guy. That guy's a disaster. The lying about Tiananmen
Square. Everything. Yeah, the military record,
assistant coach versus head coach. Little thing.
So I did McDonald's last week. I saw that. And
I actually got a call from your friends at Google,
from Sundar. That's pretty good, right? He said,
this is the biggest thing we've had in... Years
you they have McDonalds. Did you know that it
was one of the most funny? Who's a great guy
by the way, but he said This McDonald's thing.
I want to tell you it's one of the biggest things
we've ever had on Google It just hit but the
reason I did and I actually you know, you never
know about this stuff I thought it was a throwaway.
Mm -hmm I didn't think our conversation is a
throwaway but I thought that was I thought I'd
walk in and that was only to highlight the fact
and I have a friend he owns like 56 of these
McDonald's and He said, do you want to use one?
I said, yeah, I love it. So we went there and
the crowd was crazy. You know, they had 28 ,000
people around the whole thing. Did you see the
outside? It was crazy. The cars couldn't get
through. Secret Service was not exactly thrilled.
We had no idea what the hell. But I went into
the place and I did the French fry thing and
it just hit. But that's like in life. Sometimes
you do. I thought it was like a quick throw where
we're going to be there for 15 minutes. Then
I said, I've worked here for 15 minutes, which
is 15 minutes more than She worked here. She
lied about McDonald's. Is that proven that she
never worked there herself? Well, McDonald's
has no information. She has no information. The
manager said she never worked there, you know,
it was a certain place, and he said they never...
No, she lied. She's a liar. You know what they
do? They'll say, like, on any one of their questions,
they'll say, it's the exact opposite of what
I say. IVF. He's against IVF, the fertilization.
And it's the exact opposite. I came out immediately
strongly in favor. And they do ads, I'm against
it, it's wrong. On every single topic, and you
know, she changed policies on 15. I've never
seen a guy change, anybody change on more than
one. You know, you can maybe get away with one.
Her whole life, fracking, every single thing
that she was for. the confiscation of guns. She
wants to confiscate. Now she's saying everybody
should have a gun. In fact, we're going to get
her a MAGA cap. I'm going to send her a MAGA
cap. But she's changed, and I don't think people
are buying it. I don't think people are buying
it. Well, some people are buying it because they
want to buy it, because it's blue no matter who.
There's a certain percentage of our population
that's going to vote Democrat no matter what.
That's true. They're pressured. There's their
community, their ideology. It's left is good,
right is evil. You know what I don't understand?
I don't understand why. a wall, or you have a,
you know, I built 570 miles of wall. I built
a lot of wall, exactly the stuff. But you have
a border. What I don't understand is, who would
want people to come into our country from places
unknown, like sometimes they'll say about a fighter,
from parts unknown, right? Remember Haystacks
Gahoon, from parts unknown. The oldest, those
are the oldest. That's even before you. Who would
want people to come in pouring into our country?
We don't know anything about it. But that's,
I want to ask you this. Why do you think they're
doing that? I think because... Do you think they're
trying to buy votes? Do you think they just want
cheap labor? Like what is the idea? Okay, there's
a couple of theories. They hate our country.
They're stupid. or they want to buy votes. It's
one of those three things. Now, they are trying
to get people registered who, you know, don't
even know what the country is. And they're trying
to give people amnesty, people that live here,
they're trying to give them a path to citizenship.
They want to give them amnesty, they want to
give them citizenship, and they want to... Well,
how about what happened in... And if you think
about the amount of money that they've given
them when they've come here, the food stamps,
the benefits that even our poor people aren't
getting. $200 billion, and that's a way low number.
That's a way low. You know, it's interesting.
New York has always been like... sort of like
always looking for money. They've spent $100
billion on this stuff. I don't know where they,
and they're not getting the money from the federal
government, it's crazy. And because the mayor
came out and said, we can't live like this. They
investigated him. By the way, I called it. I
said, he just got himself indicted. This group
is stupid, but they're vicious. They're stupid
people, but they're vicious people. The 2020
elections, you say you have all this evidence
that it was rigged. Why haven't you put this
evidence in a consumable form? I did. In what?
Oh, I did. I have books on it. And by the way,
books have been written on it. We have an author
named Hemingway who is a great writer. She wrote
a book on it. Many books have been written on
it. There are books that are... What's happened
is judges don't want to touch it. They would
say you don't have standing. They didn't rule
on the merits. The merits never got there. The
judges didn't have what it took to turn over
an election. Let's talk about the potential vulnerabilities
for elections and election fraud. One of them
is mail -in ballots. The other one is the...
If someone can break into voting machines if
someone can hack machines those are two huge
ones so Elon Elon Musk Elon Musk I think he said
it public I hope he did because I wouldn't want
to be the winner But he's a really smart guy
and he's a very good guy with computers, right?
You'd say he's he's one of the smartest people
alive anybody that can land that 20 -story building
And perfect employment. While he's doing Starlink,
while he's doing Tesla, while he owns Twitter.
And then he agrees to Starlink. And he tweets
100 times a day. He's an amazing guy. Yeah. He
said to me that unless you have paper ballots,
it can never be an honest election. That's a
big statement. It's a big statement. We should
go to paper ballots. You know, France did. They
went the mail in voting and it was all messed
up. You know the amazing thing with the machines?
So we have the machines. They cost 10 times more.
A paper ballot would cost 8%. And they make paper
ballots. They're all watermarked and everything
else. They're very sophisticated. But if you
take a look, paper ballots, 8 % the cost, and
you're done by 9 o 'clock in the evening, right?
Now we have this sophisticated machine that goes
up to heaven. It goes all over the place and
down and around. And they say, we'll need two
weeks to figure out who the hell won the election.
Do you think that's by design? Yeah, I do. I
think it's very crooked. That's my opinion. You're
allowed to have an opinion. Let's say you win
in November. What can be done to mitigate these
problems? What could be done at the level that
the president has power? Well, if I win, this
will be my last election. But I think I owe it
to the country, yeah. But I think I owe it to
the country. We have to have fair elections.
So how can you fix that? You know, Jimmy Carter
was in charge of a commission, you know, that
many years ago. And they put him in Scoop Jackson
and various senators, you know, distinguished
people that were retired. And they came up with
a report. And the report's primary finding was
you cannot have mail -in ballots, because if
it's a mail -in ballot. You know, I went to the
voting booth the last time, whatever it was,
and I walked in, in Palm Beach, and I walk in,
and they know me. They say, Mr. President, could
I see your identification? Yes, boom, here's
this, here's that, everything. And then you sit
and they watch you sign and... There's not a
lot you can do. I mean, if you want it to be
dishonest, it's sort of beautiful. If instead
of that, I'm going to send them a ballot. It
has to go through the postal services. It has
to go through a lot of people. They mail you
houses that, you know, the house was demolished
and the people have left and it's so bad. The
one thing with Jimmy Carter, he had a very strong
commission. No mail -in ballots. And we're the
only one that does elections this way anymore.
They've gotten away from them. And this is a
ticked up in a big way after COVID. It used to
be like soldiers serving overseas. They use COVID
to cheat. Yeah. Well, they use COVID to certainly
push this mail -in ballot. Another thing that
they - Well, no, but that's - Yes. But they use
COVID to cheat. But here's another - And the
last election was a little bit of a - You couldn't
even get security guys. Big, strong guys to watch.
You know what? You'd call them. They'd call them
in this session. They were afraid to go out.
You know, we were in the middle of COVID. We
were in the middle of COVID, right smack in the
middle. And they didn't want to die. You know,
they didn't want to catch it. It was like, in
a way, it was like a ghost town. the whole thing,
but mail -in ballots are a bad thing. That certainly
is a problem. Mail -in ballots are a problem.
Another problem is voter ID. Voter ID is the
most bizarre argument that I've never seen anybody
articulate in a way that's convincing why you
don't need voter ID. Because they want it cheap.
Well, it doesn't make sense any other way. I've
tried to straw man it, or I've tried to steal
man it, rather. I've tried to look at it from
a position like why would you not want people
to have ID? The ideas are just ridiculous. You
need an ID to get a driver's license. But here's
now the next step. Gavin Newscombe, one of the
worst governors in the world, and frankly I used
to get along, but I don't get along with him
now because he's just too, you know, it's just
a whole con job. But Gavin Newscombe, the other
day signed a bill. that you are not And a big
picture, that's for there. They have an idea,
a big idea. It was hanging like you were a prisoner.
They had these massive cards, everything. And
yet, when it comes to the vote, in theory, the
most important thing we do, okay? When you go
to a grocery store, you give ID. But for a vote,
it's supposed to be a sacred thing. And it should
be a sacred thing. No voter ID, because they
want to cheat. Well, it doesn't make sense in
any other way. I've tried to look at it. There's
no other way. There's no argument that anybody's
presented that makes any sense why. You know
the funny thing, Joe? The Democrats, the people,
they all think you should have it. In other words,
you should have it. Yeah. If you go to the people,
Mrs. Schwartz, Mrs. Smith, Mr. and Mrs. Jones.
Sure. They say, of course, yeah. Democrats, they
say yes. It's the politicians that don't want
it, like Schumer and these guys. They don't want
it. because they want to be able to cheat. Because
you know what? If they didn't have it, okay,
who is going to vote for somebody that wants
open borders? Who's going to vote for somebody
that wants to have men playing in women's sports?
You know, I have never had one person come up
to me and say, President, you've got to do something
to allow men to play in women's sports. Have
you ever? Just like I've never been called by
a pollster. I told you my little theory on pollsters,
okay? I'm getting myself in trouble with some
of these things, but I don't really care. Nobody's
ever come up to me and said, we want to have
men play in women's sports. And, you know, I
had a funny thing at a property I own in California.
I have a woman who's a very good athlete, and
she works there as a manager. And Brian Erlacher,
the big Chicago badge, great player, you know.
10 -time All -Star, I guess, Hall of Fame, a
great guy, big, strong guy. And she said, oh,
he's one of my favorite athletes. Can I have
a picture? And I took a picture and I sent it.
And I noticed she was the size of his leg. His
leg was bigger than she was. And I put it out,
should men play in women's? It was just so ridiculous.
What's one of the most bizarre and polarizing
ideas that's promoted by the left? But who wants
it? Now, unless you're going to cheat, in elections,
you're never gonna get, nobody wants it. I don't
think anybody wants it. I've been told everything.
Some people want this. I don't know of anybody
that wants open borders. Nobody's ever come up
to me and say, President, you gotta let the world
come into our country. Now, if they won, so they
have 21 million, I think it's much harder than
that because you've got a ways. You know, got
a ways where they just walk in. And the other
thing you have is human traffickers. You have
traffickers, and they traffic in women. And they're
going wild now. You know where you have to look?
The trunk of cars. Can you believe it? They put
women in trunks. They'll put three women in a
trunk. These people are savages. They're horrible.
The worst people. And the kind of money they
make on drugs, they're almost making on trafficking
now. And the thing that's made it hot is the
internet. You think of it almost as an ancient
thing. But it's the internet. But who would want
to have these things? Who would want to have?
There's so many, the transgender operations,
where they're allowed to take your child when
he goes to school and turn him into a male, to
a female, without parental consent. Who wants
this? Does anybody want this? I've never heard
of anyone. And I can go into 10 different things.
The only way they get them is by... No voter
ID. You can't have voter ID. They don't want
any. They want to cheat. There's only one reason,
because the voter ID is so basic. It's the most
basic thing there is. Who would want this? They
want it so they can cheat, because their policies
are no good. I'll tell you, they're very smart
when it comes to that. They're very smart, although
they're not smart in terms of politics in a way,
because What do they have that people want? They
really don't have. They give away a lot of healthcare,
a lot of stuff. But for the most part, their
policies are terrible. Their policy on military,
she's running on a tax hike. She's going to raise
your taxes. You got to hear this. We are going
to raise your taxes. And the people clap. But
who is going to win with her? All my life I grew
up with politicians, lower taxes. She's politic
in that we are going to raise your taxes. Well,
the idea is you want to raise the taxes to the
highest earners. I know, but it really doesn't
work that way. They think that millionaires and
billionaires are not paying their fair share.
But it doesn't work that way. Well, it's a narrative.
And it's a narrative that appeals to people that
are not doing well. And they're like, yeah, our
problems are that these rich people are not paying
taxes. Well, the problems are the rich people
are going to leave, and they're going to close
up their companies, and then the other people
aren't going to have jobs. You know, that's what
happens. It does happen in other countries. But
the whole, because you brought it up. I'll tell
you what, we just, he's doing a very good job
in Virginia. Glenn Yonkin, I don't know if you
like him or not like him. I don't know him. Or
you don't know him, the governor of Virginia.
We have a case where they found thousands of
illegal ballots a judge just ruled that they
have to be able to vote Just happened today just
before I walked in here. I heard a judge just
ruled that You have to keep those people in they're
illegal. They're illegal votes Now I think they'll
be overturned at the next court one thing I found
because I had a couple of things that they get
overturned a little bit You know the system because
the system you have to hope That the appellate
judges are Honest otherwise, we don't have a
country anymore. It's very important, but the
whole thing with the legal ballots It's got to
be looked at you got to have you have to have
voter ID and you have to have additional ID You
have to have an ID that shows that you're a citizen
of the country. I agree. They don't want that
either I agree One of the things that I want
to talk to you about is the JFK files And one
of the things that you said was that if they
showed you What they showed me, this is your
quote, you wouldn't want people to know it either.
So, I opened them up, partially. I was met with,
from good people, I mean, you know, look, I mean,
good people. People that were well -meaning.
Mike Pompeo was one of them. He's a good person.
They called me, they said, Sarah would rather
have you not. And I did open them. But I was
asked by some people not to open them. There's
a Martin Luther King file, too, by the way, that
they'd like to see. I don't know if you know,
but there is that. But JFK in particular. So
they called me. A lot of good people called me.
People that you would find reasonable people.
And they asked me not to do it. So I said, well,
we'll close it for another time. If I win, I'm
going to open them up. I'm just going to open
enough. Why didn't you open it up the first time?
Because a lot of times the hesitation addresses
people that are still living. There are people
that are affected. And there could be some national
security reason that for, you know, that I don't
have to necessarily know about. But some very
good, talented people asked me not to do it.
I opened it up and then they said, would it be
possible for us to do that a different day? Nobody
did you read into? I think it's going to be just
fine to open it. Let me put it that way. I think
it's fine. It's going to be time. It's a cleansing.
It's really a cleansing. So I'm going to do it.
I'm going to do it immediately, almost immediately
upon entering office. Well, the thing, when people
look at it from the outside and you sort of imagine
what could be a reason why they would not release
those files, it would be there's people that
were implicated in the assassination. Well, when
there are living people, you generally tend not
to want to do it. When people are still living.
Living people that formerly worked for the government.
For the government and living people that were
somehow involved in it. And you tend not to do
that. But it's time to open them. I can't tell
you whether or not they're going to find anything
of interest. And I did partially open. I think
I've opened 50%. But I was asked not to do it.
And I... Thought that was a reasonable ass, but
now I'm gonna do it I'm gonna do it very soon.
There's a lot of interest in it one of the things
that a lot of interest in the People coming from
space, you know, yes, and I know you're interested.
I'm very interested in that How much they tell
you about that a lot really? Yeah, what'd they
tell you? How much can you tell so I how's that
work? Is it like super top secret? Tell me well
based on hunter Biden I can say whatever I want
right, but no, but I interviewed A few people,
it's never been my thing, I have to be honest.
I have never been a believer. I have people that
Area 51 or whatever it is, I think it's the number
one tourist attraction in the whole country or
something, Area 51 in Las Vegas. Do you know
that, right? Sure, I know what it is. So anyway,
but it's a big tourist thing. So I interviewed
jet pilots that say they saw something. If you
saw them, you'd love to have them. I've had a
couple in here. Commander David Fravor, I had
him in, who had that sighting in 2004. Very,
very compelling with visual, video evidence,
radar evidence. Ryan Graves. I don't believe
his name, but I interviewed jet pilots that were
solid people. Perfect. I mean, great pilots,
great everything. And they said, we saw things,
sir, that would... were very strange. Like a
round ball, but it wasn't a comet or a meteor.
It was something. And it was going four times
faster than an F -22, which is a very fast plant,
you know. And it was round, which is, in theory,
a great shape. So when you were talking to these
people, was this something that you were compelled
to have conversations about? No. Was this your
personal interest? A little bit. It's not a great
interest for me, but it's a little interest.
I get that question as much as almost any question.
Do you think that we have aliens coming, you
know, flying around or whatever? There's no reason
not to I mean there's no reason not to think
that Mars and all these planets don't have life
You know because well Mars we've had probes there
and rovers and I don't think there's any life
there Well, maybe it's life that we don't know
that well, maybe there was life there at one
point in time This is a speculation about Mars
that Mars had an atmosphere at one point in time
a long time ago that could support life it also
had large bodies of water, but we've had no evidence
of even bacterial life that exists on Mars, but
It's not been a big thing for me. I mean when
I looked at what China did to this admit they
would have never done it with me where they put
the balloon up and a lot of people thought and
a lot of people thought for a little while that
that was right one of these things so that's
a lot of the speculation too that some of these
drones that hover over battleships that these
are Chinese drones and that they're not UFOs
they could be also there's some super sophisticated
but I did interview Let's say three or four guys
that and without tremendous interest if you had
them As I said, you'd love to have me as your
children solid beautiful people They said sir.
There's something there. You know, they there's
something there. Yeah. Yeah, I've talked to quite
a few conspiracy guys Well, I mean the just the
commander David Fravor thing in 2004 off the
coast of San Diego They clocked that thing going
from 50 ,000 feet above sea level to 50 in a
second They don't know what it is. That's tough
to beat. Yeah, they saw something in the water.
It was hovering over that something that was
making a disturbance in the water. They got video
evidence of this thing. Two different fighter
jets with pilots in them saw it. There's, you
know, visual evidence, photographic evidence,
video evidence, radar evidence, whatever the
hell it is, it moves in a way that would turn
a human being in a jello if they're inside of
it. The G -Force, no one would survive. Oh, the
G -Force. So what is that? And it doesn't have
a heat signature. They don't know what their
propulsion system was. But... When you fly in
some of these jets... These pilots have to be
in great shape. Oh, yeah, I flew with the Blue
Angels once. Yeah And those are older machines
and they're crazy when you when you fly in some
of these things But these things that these people
are encountering are far superior to what we
know of yeah, is it possible that there's some
military or government program that you weren't
that they didn't tell you about I think I had
a great relationship with the military basically,
but you know, I didn't like certain people I
would have gotten them out if I thought if I
were If the election was different, I would have
fired, you know All of them quickly some most
of them I did fire Biden should have fired every
military person involved with Afghanistan He
should have had a lot of firings You know, if
you look at him, he told Israel not to do anything
at least Israel's not gonna looking at a bomb
the way They would have been think if they listened
to Biden They'd be waiting for a bomb to drop
on their head right now. He's been wrong about
so much. I guess you'd have to say that she's
been wrong, too, because, you know, she always
said they made the decision together. But Israel
didn't follow his advice. And I think it was
a very, you know, the Middle East is rapidly
changing. You know, there are prophets that say
the world will come to an end in the Middle East.
You know that, right? We have weapons today that
are so scary. When you look, I rebuilt them all.
And when you look at the weapons we have today,
the biggest threat we have in the world today
is nuclear weapons. And we have other weapons,
too, that are devastated. But the nuclear weapons,
the biggest threat we have in the world today,
and that's what you... I was talking about de
-escalation with both China and Russia. I'm telling
you... We were going to de -escalate. They were
going to de -escalate. You've got to be careful.
It's a little tricky playing with them because
they say we're going to do it and they don't
do it maybe. But they understood the curse, too.
It's a curse. China's way behind us, but they'll
catch us within five years. So let's imagine,
let's say you win. in November, what do you do
differently and how do you change this course
that it seems we are on for World War Three?
How do you get us out of Ukraine? How do you
stop what's going on in the Middle East? How
do you put a stop to this? Well, it's a very,
to me it's an easy question because I think I
can do it easily, but it's a complex question
in the sense that the times change, everyday
changes. Who's winning, who's not winning? I
mean, Russia's a war machine. Whether you like
it or not. It just grinds along grinds along
you speak to people like Victor Orban He'll tell
you it's just a big fat war machine, and that's
what's happening. You look at what's happened
to Ukraine If I were there it would have never
happened, but what you what could you do now
if you get into office? Right now you would get
both of them. I know both very well And again,
I do not want to tell you for the purpose of
looking smart to five people that say, oh, he
was great. Because if I told you exactly what
I do, I could never make the deal. All I can
tell you is that I would meet with Putin, and
I would meet with him, and I know exactly what
I'd say to each one of them. And I believe that
as president -elect, I would get that war stopped
and stopped fast. We have tremendous power in
the United States, if you know how to use the
power. I stopped other wars just by the use of
tariffs. I got Macron of France. Good guy. He's
like a friend of mine. But he's a wise guy. And
he's a person that likes France, and he was going
to tax our companies. And I sent all the smartest
guys. I sent Mnuchin. They all failed me. And
I said, I'll do it myself. And I called him.
I said, Emmanuel. You're taxing American companies.
We're not going to allow you to do that. Oh,
Donald, I cannot do it. I don't think I could
do it. It's already been passed. I said, Emmanuel,
if you do that, I'm going to put 100 % tariff
when your wines and champagnes are coming to
the United States. And you're going to regret
that you ever did it. He said, Donald, please,
that's not fair. Anyway, within about two minutes,
he dropped the whole thing. And it was massive
amounts of money against American companies.
I have to protect. So why doesn't the Biden administration
do this? Because they're incompetent. They don't
know how to talk. Look, they met in Alaska with
the Chinese, and the Chinese lectured them about
how badly we treat people. Right? Okay? I mean,
think of it. You remember that day? It was like
in America. They didn't talk to me that way.
They respected me. They respected our country.
They don't respect our country. They don't respect
Biden. They don't respect her. They're dreaming
about her because she's incompetent. She's not
a smart person. Look, she can't put two sentences
together. She talks. I watched her two nights.
I watched her last night, too. It was the same
thing. She's not a smart person. These guys are
very smart and they're very streetwise and they're
very tricky and evil and dangerous. And if she
becomes the president of the United States, which
I can't believe can happen, I don't think this
country is going to make it. I don't think we'll
ever be. I think just really bad things will
happen to our country. And you know what, I look
at the outside forces and I say they can all
be handled because we have a pot of gold. But
we're not going to have that pot of gold to play
with anymore. You know, it's a great negotiating
thing. I told you I knocked out this massive
car company going to take all of our car business
from Detroit. I knocked it out just by my rhetoric.
Rhetorically, I said, they'll never sell a car
in here. I'll put tariffs. I don't care. They're
2 ,000 percent. They're never going to build
that plant and knock it out. Is it possible to
apply that same thing to the electronics that
we use? One of the things that disturbs me greatly
is that all of our phones are made overseas.
And then some of our phones are made in places
like... And the chips. Yes, and the chips and
some of our phones are made in places like Foxconn
where they have nets around the building to keep
people from jumping off the roof because they
have so many suicides Like wouldn't it be better
to have an American made iPhone where you know,
people are paid good wages. They have health
insurance They're taken care of they can live
a good life where you're not buying a piece of
electronics That's cheaper because someone has
to suffer a horrible in a horrible way. That's
not even legal in the United States It's not
even legal to have them work that way in the
United States. So they get these people to build
overseas you do it but but let me just say that
chip deal so bad we put up billions of dollars
for rich companies to come in and borrow the
money and build chip companies here and they're
not going to give us the good companies anyway
all you had to do is charge them tariffs if you
would have put a tariff on the chips coming in
you would have been able to just like the auto
companies no different more sophisticated but
no different you know Taiwan they stole our chip
business They want us to protect and they want
protection. They don't pay us money for the protection,
you know? The mob makes you pay money, right?
But with these countries that we protect, I got
hundreds of billions of dollars from NATO countries
that were never paying us. And my biggest fan
is Stoltenberg, who just left as the Director
General, as the Secretary General. Good guy.
He said Bush came. He made a speech. Obama came.
He made a speech. Trump came. He said, you guys
aren't paying. You got to pay. And they said,
will you protect us from Russia if we don't?
I said, no, you got to pay if you don't pay.
Billions of dollars came in to NATO. When I see
us paying a lot of money to have people build
the chip, that's not the way. You didn't have
to put up 10 cents. You could have done it with
a series of tariffs. In other words, you tariff
it so high. that they will come and build their
chip companies for nothing. In other words, Joe,
you put a big tariff on the chips coming in.
I say, you don't have to pay the tariff. All
you have to do is build your plant in the United
States. We didn't have to give them the money
to build a plant. Besides that, they're very
rich companies, these chip companies. They stole
95 % of our business. It's in Taiwan right now.
They do a great job. But that's only because
we have stupid politicians. We lost the chip
business. And now we think we're going to pay.
You can't build it that way. You have to make
them spend their money in the United States.
And those plants would open up all over. And
they'll fund them. We don't have to put up 10
cents. And I am in the process of making a huge
speech in about a little while. And you and I,
how long have we been talking? A long time. Let's
go. About like three hours. I got to make a speech.
But we'll do it again. I want to do it again
with you. You are something. I said, how long
will this last? Anywhere from? An hour to three
or four hours. How long we do it, Jamie? Three
hours. Good. Well, we'll do it again. I thought
it was great. I think it's... I think it was
great. It was a lot of fun. You are a fascinating
guy, and you've done a great job. Thank you very
much. And a big fan, and thank you very much.
It's been an honor. It's been an honor to have
you on as well. I'm going to make a great speech,
and I'm going to say, and if I'm a little off
tonight, I'm going to blame you. Blame me? I
spoke to this guy for three hours. Anyway, it's
a great honor to be with you. Thank you, sir.
Thank you. Good luck to you. Thank you very much.
Thank you. All right. Bye everybody.