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Thanks for doing this man. Really appreciate
it. You're welcome. Very good to meet you. That's
nice to meet you, too Thanks for not lighting
this place on fire. You're welcome That's coming
later. How does one just in the middle of doing
all the things you do create cars Rockets all
this stuff you're doing constantly innovating
decide to just make a flamethrower. Where do
you have the time for that? Well the family wouldn't
put a lot of time into the flamethrower this
was an off -the -cuff thing and So I sort of
like it's sort of a sort of a hobby company called
the boring company which Started out as a joke
And we decided to make it real and and dig a
tunnel under LA and then dig then people other
people asked us to dig tunnels and so we Said
yes in a few cases No, and then and then we have
a merchandise section that only has one piece
of merchandise at a time and we started off with
a cap and there was only one thing on it was
just Boring company comm slash cap or hat. That's
it And then we sold the hats limited limited
edition. It just said the boring company and
then I'm big fan of space balls the movie and
in space balls yogurt goes through the merchandising
section and They have a flamethrower in the merchandising
section of spaceballs And it like the kids love
that one That's the line When he pulls out the
plane there was like we should do a flamethrower
so we Does anybody tell you no does anybody go
Elon? Maybe for yourself, but selling a flamethrower
the liabilities all the people you're selling
this device to what kind of unhinged People are
gonna be buying a flamethrower in the first place.
Do we really want to connect ourselves to all
these potential arsonists? Yeah, it's a terrible
idea I said don't buy this flamethrower. Don't
buy it. Don't buy it. That's what I said But
still people bought it. Yeah, there's nothing
I can do to stop them. It's I said don't buy
it. It's a bad idea How many did you make you
it's dangerous? It's got it's wrong Don't buy
it It's still people bought it. I can't just
couldn't stop them. How many did you make? 20
,000 And they're all gone in three I think four
days they sold out in four days are you gonna
do a Another run no, no, it's it. Yes. Oh, I
said we would do 20 that we did 50 ,000 50 ,000
hats at and and That was a million dollars and
they're like, okay Well, we'll sell something
and for 10 million and that was 20 ,000 flamethrowers
at $500 each They went fast How do you have the
time to do that though? I mean, I understand
that it's not a big deal in terms of all the
other things that you do, but how do you have
time to do anything? I just I don't understand
your time management skills. I mean, I didn't
spend much time on this flamethrower. I mean,
to be totally frank, it's actually just a roofing
torch with an air rifle cover. It's not a real
flamethrower. Which is why it says not a flamethrower.
That's why we were very clear. This is not actually
a flamethrower. And also we're told that various
countries would ban shipping of it. They would
ban flamethrowers. So to solve this problem for
all the customs agencies, we labeled it not a
flamethrower. Did it work? Is it effective? I
don't know. I think so. Yes. So far? Yes. Because
they said you cannot strip a flamethrower. But
you do so many different things. Forget about
the flamethrower. How do you do all that? other
shit like how do you how do you how does one
decide to fix LA traffic by drilling holes in
the ground and who do you even approach with
that like when you have this idea who do you
talk to about that I mean I'm not saying it's
gonna be successful or sorry you know I know
it's like asserting that's gonna be successful
but so far I've lived in LA for 16 years and
the traffic has always been terrible and so I
don't see any other like ideas for improving
the traffic. So in desperation, we're going to
dig a tunnel. And maybe that tunnel will be successful.
And maybe it won't. I'm listening. Yeah. I'm
not trying to convince you it's gonna work. And
are the people that you're anyone, but you're
you're starting this though, this is actually
a project you're starting to implement, right?
Yeah, no, we've we've dug about a mile. It's
quite long. It takes a long time to walk it.
Yeah. Now, when you're doing this, what is the
ultimate plan? The ultimate plan is to have these
in major cities and anywhere there's mass congestion
and just try it out in LA first? Yeah, it's in
LA because I mostly live in LA. That's the reason.
It's a terrible place to dig tunnels. This is
one of the worst places to dig tunnels because
mostly because of the paperwork. People think
it's like, what about seismic? It's like, actually,
The tunnels are very safe in earthquakes. Why
is that? Earthquakes are essentially a surface
phenomenon. It's like waves on the ocean. So
if there's a storm, you want to be in a submarine.
So being in a tunnel is like being in a submarine.
Now the way the tunnel is constructed is it's
constructed out of these interlocking segments,
kind of like a snake. It's sort of like a snake
exoskeleton. with double seals. And so, even
when the ground moves, the tunnel actually is
able to shift along with the ground, like an
underground snake. And it doesn't crack or break,
and it's extremely unlikely that both seals would
be broken. And it's capable of taking five atmospheres
of pressure. It's waterproof, methane -proof,
or gas -proof of any kind. and meets all California
seismic requirements. So when you have this idea,
who do you bring this to? I'm not sure what you
mean by that. Well, you're implementing it, so
you're digging holes in the ground. You have
to bring it to someone that lets you do it. Yeah,
so... There were some engineers from SpaceX who
thought it would be cool to do this, and the
guy who runs it, like... day -to -day Steve Davis.
He's a longtime SpaceX engineer. He's great.
So Steve was like, I'd like to help make this
happen. I was like, cool. So we started off with
digging a hole in the ground. It's got like a
permit for a pit, a big pit, and just dug a big
pit. And you have to tell them what the pit's
for or you just say, hey, we just want to dig
a hole. Nice, fill out this form. That's it Yeah,
I was a put in our parking lot and but do you
have to give them some sort of a blueprint for
your ultimate idea? And do they have to approve
it? Like how does that work now? We just started
off with a pit. Okay, big pit and You know, there's
not really you know, they're really Care about
the existential nature of a pit. You just say
like I don't want a pit, right? Yeah, and It's
a hole in the ground. So then We got the permit
for the pit, and we dug the pit. And we dug it
in like, I don't know, three days, two, three
days. Actually, I think 48 hours, something like
that. Because Eric Garcetti was coming by for
the hype to, he was going to attend the Hyperloop
competition, which is like a student competition
we have for who can make the fastest pod in the
Hyperloop. And he was coming, the finals are
going to be on Sunday afternoon. So Eric was
coming by on Sunday afternoon. He was like, you
know, we should take this pit and then show Eric.
So this was like Friday morning. And then, yeah,
so it was about a little over 40 hours later,
we dug the pit. It was like, we're in 24 straight
hours, something like that. And dug this big
pit. And we showed Eric the pit. He's like, obviously,
it's just a pit. But hey, it's hole in the ground
is better than no hole in the ground. And what
do you tell me about this pit? I mean, you just
say this is the beginning of this idea. Yes.
We're going to build tunnels under LA to help
funnel traffic better. And they just go, OK.
We've joked around about this in the podcast
before. They're like, what if the person can
go to the people that run the city and go, hey,
we're going to dig some holes on the ground and
put some tunnels in there. And they go, oh, yeah,
OK. Nothing wrong with a hole in the ground.
But it's uh people dig holes in the ground all
the time But but my my question is like I know
how much time you must be spending on your tesla
factory I know how much time you must be spending
on space x and yet you still have time to dig
holes Under the ground in la and come up with
these ideas and then implement them like I got
a million ideas. I'm sure you do. There's no
shortage of that Yeah, I just don't know how
you manage your time. I don't understand it.
It doesn't seem it doesn't even seem humanly
possible You know, I I do Basically, I think
people like don't totally understand what I do
with my time They think like I'm a business guy
or something like that Like my Wikipedia page
says business magnate. What would you call yourself?
a business magnet Can someone please change my
Wikipedia page to magnet? It's locked so somebody
has to be able to unlock it and change it to
magnet. I want to be a magnet No, I do engineering
and You know and manufacturing and that kind
of thing that's like 80 % more more of my time
ideas and then the implementation of those ideas
That's like hardcore engineering like you know
designing things you know right Structural mechanical
electrical software user interface Engineering
our space engineering, but you must understand.
There's not a whole lot of human beings like
you you know that right? So you're an odd it
seems Yes. To chimps like me. We're all chimps.
Yeah, we are. We're one notch above a chimp.
Some of us are a little more confused. When I
watch you doing all these things, I'm like, how
does this motherfucker have all this time and
all this energy and all these ideas and then
people just let him do these things? Because
I'm an alien. That's what I've speculated. Yes.
I'm on record saying this in the past. I wonder.
It's true if there was one I was like if there
was like maybe an intelligent being that we created
You know like some AI creature. That's a superior
to people Maybe just hang around with us for
a little while like you've been doing and then
fix a bunch of shit Maybe that's the way I Might
have some mutation or something like that you
might do you think you do probably do you wonder
like you're around normal people you like hmm
Like what's up with these boring dumb motherfuckers
ever Not bad for a human, but I think we'll not
be able to hold a candle to AI. You scared the
shit out of me when you talk about AI, between
you and Sam Harris. I didn't even consider it
until I had a podcast with Sam once. Sounds great.
He made me shit my pants. Talking about AI, I
realized, like, oh, well, this is a genie that
once it's out of the bottle, you're never getting
it back in. That's true. There was a video that
you tweeted about one of those Boston dynamic
robots, and you know like in the future. It'll
be Moving so fast you can't see it without a
strobe light. Yeah, you could probably do that
right now And no one's really Paying attention
too much other than people like you or people
that are really obsessed with technology all
these things are happening and these robots are
did you see the one where Peter? Put out a statement
that you shouldn't kick robots It's probably
not wise. For retribution. Their memory is very
good. I bet it's really good. It's really good.
I bet it is. Yes. And getting better every day.
It's really good. Are you honestly legitimately
concerned about this? Is like AI one of your
main worries in regards to the future? Yes. It's
less of a worry than it used to be, mostly due
to Taking more of a fatalistic attitude. Hmm
So you used to have more hope and You gave up
some of it and now you don't worry as much about
AI. You're like this is just what it is Yeah,
pretty much yes, yes or not it's it's but no
it's not necessarily bad It's just it's definitely
gonna be outside of human control Not necessarily
bad, right? Yes, not it's not necessarily bad.
It's just It's just outside of human control
now the thing that's going to be tricky here
is that It's going to be very tempting to use
AI as a weapon It's gonna be very tempting. In
fact, it will be used as a weapon So the the
honor the honor ramp to serious AI The danger
is gonna be more Humans using it against each
other. I think most likely That'll be the danger
Yeah, how far do you think we are from something
that can make its own mind up whether or not
something's ethically or morally correct or whether
or not it wants to do something or whether or
not it wants to improve itself or whether or
not it wants to protect itself from people or
from other AI how far away we some from something
that's really truly sentient Well, I mean you
could argue that any group of people Like it
like a company is essentially a cybernetic collective
of people and machines That's what a company
is And then there are different There's different
levels of complexity in the way these companies
are formed and then there are sort of There's
this sort of like a collective AI in the Google
search, Google search, where we're all sort of
plugged in as nodes on the network, like leaves
on a big tree. And we're all feeding this network
with our questions and answers. We're all collectively
programming the AI. And Google plus all the humans
that connect to it are one giant cybernetic collective.
This is also true of Facebook and Twitter and
Instagram and all these social networks. They're
giant cybernetic collectives. Humans and electronics
all interfacing and constantly now, constantly
connected. Yes. Constantly. One of the things
that I've been thinking about a lot over the
last few years is that one of the things that
drives a lot of people crazy is how many people
are obsessed with materialism and getting the
latest, greatest thing. And I wonder how much
of that is, well, a lot of it is most certainly
fueling technology and innovation. And it almost
seems like it's built into us. It's like what
we like and what we want, that we're fueling
this thing that's constantly around us all the
time. It doesn't seem possible that people are
going to pump the brakes. It doesn't seem possible
at this stage where we're constantly expecting
the newest cell phone, the latest Tesla update,
the newest MacBook Pro. Everything has to be
newer and better. And that's going to lead to
some incredible point. And it seems like it's
built into us. It almost seems like it's an instinct
that we're working towards this, that we like
it. Our job, just like the ants build the ant
hill, our job is to somehow fuel this. Yes. I
mean, I made this comment some years ago, but
it feels like we are the biological bootloader
for AI effectively. We are building it. And then
we're building progressively greater intelligence.
and the percentage of intelligence that is not
human is increasing and eventually We will represent
a very small percentage of intelligence But the
the AI isn't formed strangely by the human limbic
system It is in large part our id writ large
How so we mentioned all those things the sort
of primal drives. There's all the things that
we like and hate and fear. They're all there
on the internet. They're a projection of our
limbic system. No, it makes sense. And the thinking
of it as a Mean think of thinking of corporations
and just thinking of just human beings communicating
online through these social media networks as
some sort of an organism that's a It's a cyborg.
It's a combination. It's a combination of electronics
and biology. Yeah This is in some in some measure
like it's the success of these online systems
is that is a sort of a function of Of how much
limbic resonance They're able to achieve with
people The more limbic resonance the more engagement
hmm Whereas like one of the reasons why probably
Instagram is more enticing than Twitter limbic
resonance yeah, you get More images more video.
Yes tweaking your system more. Yes. Do you worry
about or wonder in fact about what the next step
is? Mean a lot of people didn't see Twitter coming
that you know communicate with 140 characters
or 280 now Would be a thing that people would
be interested in Like it's gonna excel it's gonna
become more connected to us, right? Yes, things
are getting more and more connected there at
this point constrained by bandwidth our Input
output is slow particularly output after got
worse with thumbs We used to have input with
ten fingers, now we have thumbs. But images are
also a way of communicating at high bandwidth.
You take pictures and you send pictures to people.
That communicates far more information than you
can communicate with your thumbs. So what happened
with you where you decided or you took on a more
fatalistic attitude? Was there any specific thing
or was it just the inevitability of our future?
I tried to convince people to slow down, slow
down AI, to regulate AI. This was futile. I tried
for years. Nobody listened. This seems like a
scene in a movie where the robots are going to
fucking take over and you're freaking me out.
Nobody listened. Nobody listened. No one. Are
people more inclined to listen today? It seems
like an issue that's brought up more often over
the last few years than it was maybe five, ten
years ago it seemed like. science fiction maybe
they will so far they haven't i think people
don't like the normally the way that regulations
work it's very slow very slow indeed so usually
it'll be something some new technology it will
cause damage or death there will be an outcry
There will be investigation. Years will pass.
There will be some sort of insight committee.
There will be rulemaking. Then there will be
oversight, eventually regulations. This all takes
many years. This is the normal course of things.
If you look at, say, automotive regulations,
how long did it take for seat belts to be implemented,
to be required? You know, the auto industry fought
seat belts, I think, for more than a decade.
successfully fought any regulations on seatbelts,
even though the numbers were extremely obvious.
If you had a seatbelt on, you would be far less
likely to die or be seriously injured. It was
unequivocal. And the industry fought this for
years, successfully. Eventually, after many,
many people died, regulators insisted on deep
belts This is a this time frame is not relevant
to AI you can't take ten years from the point
at which is dangerous so late and You feel like
this is decades away or years away From being
too late if you have this fatalistic attitude
and you feel like it's going we're in a almost
like a doomsday countdown it's not necessarily
a doomsday countdown it's it's a out of control
countdown out of control yeah people call it
the singularity and uh that's that's probably
a good way to think about it it's a singular
it's hard to predict like a black hole what what
happens past the event horizon right so once
it's implemented it's very different because
it it wants to change out of the bottle what's
going to happen and it will be able to improve
itself yes That's where it gets spooky right
the idea that it can do thousands of years of
innovation. We're very very quickly. Yeah, and
Then we'll be just ridiculous ridiculous. We
will be like this ridiculous Biological shitting
pissing thing trying to stop the gods No, stop.
We like we like living with a finite lifespan
and watching you know Norman Rockwell paintings
It could be terrible and it could be great it's
not clear Right. But one thing is for sure, we
will not control it. Do you think that it's likely
that we will merge somehow or another with this
sort of technology and it'll augment what we
are now? Or do you think it will replace us?
Well, that's the scenario. The merge scenario
with AI is the one that seems like probably the
best. Like for us yes, like if you if you can't
beat it join it that's Yeah, you know So From
a long -term existential standpoint, that's like
the purpose of Neuralink is to Create a high
bandwidth interface to the brain such that we
can be symbiotic with AI Because we have a bandwidth
problem. You just can't communicate through your
fingers. It's too slow and Where's neural link
at right now? I Think we'll have something interesting
to announce in a few months That's at least an
order of magnitude better than anything else
Probably I think better than probably anyone
thinks is possible. How much can you talk about
that right now? I don't want to drop the gun
on that But what's like the ultimate? What's
the idea behind it? What are you trying to accomplish
with it? What would you like best -case scenario?
I think best -case scenario, we effectively merge
with AI, where AI serves as a tertiary cognition
layer, where we've got the limbic system, kind
of the primitive brain essentially. We've got
the cortex. So you're currently in a symbiotic
relationship. your cortex and limbic system are
in a symbiotic relationship. And generally people
like their cortex and they like their limbic
system. I haven't met anyone who wants to delete
their limbic system or delete their cortex. Everybody
seems to like both. And the cortex is mostly
in service to the limbic system. People may think
that they're... that the thinking part of themselves
is in charge, but it's mostly their limbic system
that's in charge. And the cortex is trying to
make the limbic system happy. That's what most
of that computing power is oriented towards.
How can I make the limbic system happy? That's
what it's trying to do. Now, if we do have a
third layer, which is the AI extension of yourself,
that is also symbiotic. And there's enough bandwidth
between the cortex and the AI extension of yourself
such that the AI doesn't de facto separate, then
that could be a good outcome. That could be quite
a positive outcome for the future. So instead
of replacing us, it will radically change our
capabilities. Yes. It will enable anyone who
wants to have superhuman cognition. Anyone who
wants this is not a matter of earning power because
your earning power would be vastly greater after
you do it. So It's just like Anyone who wants
can just do it in theory. That's the theory and
and if that's the case then and let's say billions
of people do it then the outcome for humanity
will be the sum of of human will the sum of billions
of people's desire for the future and That billions
of people with enhanced cognitive ability radically
enhanced. Yes, and which would be it how much
different than people today like if you if you
had to Explain it to a person Who didn't really
know understand what you're saying? How much
different are you talking about when you say
radically improved like what do you mean? You
mean mind reading? It would be difficult to really
appreciate the difference. It's kind of like,
how much smarter are you with a phone or computer
than without? You're vastly smarter, actually.
You can answer any question. If you connect to
the internet, you can answer any question pretty
much instantly, any calculation. Your phone's
memory is essentially perfect. You can remember
flawlessly your phone can remember videos pictures
and everything perfectly That's the that your
phone is already an extension of you. You're
already a cyborg You don't even well most people
don't rise. They are already a cyborg if that
phone is an extension of yourself it's just that
the the data rate the rate at which The communication
rate between you and the cybernetic extension
of yourself, that is your phone and computer,
is slow. It's very slow. And that is like a tiny
stroll of information flow between your biological
self and your digital self. And we need to make
that tiny stroll like a giant river. Huge. high
bandwidth interface. It's an interface problem,
data rate problem. Solve the data rate problem,
then I think we can hang on to human machines
and biosis through the long term. And then people
may decide that they want to retain their biological
self or not. I think they'll probably choose
to retain their biological self. some sort of
Ray Kurzweil scenario where they download themselves
into a computer. You will be essentially snapshotted
into a computer at any time. If your biological
self dies, you could just probably just upload
into a new unit. Literally. Pass that whiskey.
We're getting crazy over here. This is getting
ridiculous. Down the rabbit hole. Grab that sucker.
Give me some of that. This is too freaky. See,
if I was just talking to one of them... I've
been thinking about this for a long time, by
the way. I believe you have. If I was talking
to one of them... Cheers, by the way. Cheers.
Hey, this is a great whiskey. Thank you. I know
where this came from. Who brought this to us?
Trying to remember. Somebody gave it to us. Old
camp. Whoever it was. Thanks. Yeah, it is good.
This is just inevitable. Again, going back to
when you decided to have this fatalistic viewpoint.
So you tried to warn people. You talked about
this pretty extensively. I've read several interviews
where you talked about this. And then you just
sort of just said, OK, it just is. by communicating
the potential fear. I mean, for sure, you're
getting the warning out to some people. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, I was really going on the warning
quite a lot. I was warning everyone I could.
You ever met with Obama? And just for one reason?
Just to talk about AI? Yes. And what did he say?
He said, what about Hillary? Worry about her
first. Shh. Everybody be quiet. No, he listened.
He certainly listened. I met with Congress. I
was at a meeting of all 50 governors and talked
about just AI danger and I talked to everyone
I could. No one seemed to realize where this
was going. Is it that or do they just assume
that someone smarter than them is already taking
care of it? Because when people hear about something
like AI, it's almost abstract It's almost it's
almost like it's so it's so hard to wrap your
head around it by the time it already happens
It'll be too late Yeah, I think they Didn't quite
understand it or didn't think it was near term
or Not sure what to do about it And I said, like,
you know, an obvious thing to do is to just establish
a committee, government committee, to gain insight,
you know, before you oversight, before you do
make regulations, just like try to understand
what's going on. And then if you have an insight
committee, then once they learn what's going
on, get up to speed, then they can make maybe
some rules or propose some rules. and that would
be probably a safer way to go about things. It
seems, I mean, I know that it's probably something
that the government's supposed to handle, but
it seems like I wouldn't want the, I don't want
the government to handle this. Who do you want
to handle it? I want you to handle this. Oh geez.
Yeah. I feel like you're the one who could ring
the bell better. Cause if Mike Pence starts talking
about AI, I'm like, shut up, bitch. You don't
know anything about AI. Come on, man. He doesn't
know what he's talking about. I don't have the
power to regulate other companies. What am I
supposed to? Right, but maybe companies could
agree maybe there could be some sort of a I mean
there's We have agreements where you're not supposed
to dump toxic waste into the ocean. You're not
supposed to do certain things. It could be terribly
Damaging even though they'd be profitable. Maybe
this is one of those things Maybe we should realize
that you can't hit the switch on something that's
going to be able to think for itself And make
up its own mind as to whether or not it wants
to survive or not and whether or not thinks you're
a threat And whether or not it thinks you're
useless, like, why do I keep this dumb, finite
life form alive? Why keep this thing around?
It's just stupid, it just keeps polluting everything,
it's shitting everywhere it goes, lighting everything
on fire and shooting each other. Why would I
keep this stupid thing alive? Because sometimes
it makes good music, you know, sometimes it makes
great movies, sometimes it makes beautiful art,
and sometimes, you know, sometimes it's cool
to hang out with. Yes, all those reasons. Yeah
for us. Those are great reasons Yes, but for
anything objective standing outside like oh,
this is definitely a flawed system This is like
if you went to the jungle and you watch these
chimps Engage in warfare and beat each other
with sticks. They're fucking real mean. They're
fucking mean. They're real mean. I saw that movie
chimpanzee I thought it was gonna be like some
Disney thing like oh like cow. What movie was
that? It's literally called chimpanzee. Is it
a documentary? Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of like
a documentary. I was like Damn, these chimps
are mean. They're mean. Yeah, they're cruel Yeah,
they're they're they're calculated. Yeah. Yeah,
they sneak up on each other and like I didn't
realize chimps did calculated cruelty. Mm -hmm.
Yeah, that's pretty Left that meeting kind of
thinking. What was this dark right? Well, we
know better because we've advanced But if we
hadn't we'd be like man, I don't want to fucking
live in a house I like the chimp ways bro chimp
ways to go. This is it man chimp life Right now
But we, in a way, to the AI, might be like those
chimps. And we're like, these stupid fucks launching
missiles out of drones and shooting each other
underwater. Like, we're crazy. We've got torpedoes
and submarines and fucking airplanes that drop
nuclear bombs indiscriminately on cities. We're
assholes. They might go, why are they doing this?
It might like look at our politics, look at what
we do in terms of our food system, what kind
of food we force down each other's throats. And
they might go, these people are crazy. They don't
even look out for themselves. I don't know. I
mean, how much do we think about chimps? Not
much. Very little. It's true. These chimps are
at war. It's like groups of chimps just attack
each other. They kill each other. They torture
each other. That's pretty bad They hunt monkeys
They're but like this is probably the most but
You know, I mean when's the last time you talk
about chimps, but me. Yeah all the time you do
talking to podcast Yeah, constantly. I'm obsessed.
I saw that David Attenborough documentary on
chimps when they were eating those colobus monkeys
and ripping them apart. It's just rough. I saw
that many, many years ago. It just changed how
I go, oh, this is why people are so crazy. We
came from that thing. Yeah, exactly. And there's
the bonobos. They got a better philosophy. Yeah,
they're like swingers. Yeah, they really are.
They seem to be way more, even than us, way more
civilized. They just seem to resolve everything
with sex. Yeah, the only rules they have is the
mom won't bang the son. That's it. Okay. That's
it. Mom won't bang your sons They're good women.
Yeah, good women in the bonobo community. Everybody
else is banging it out. Yeah, I Haven't seen
the bonobo movie Well, they're disturbing just
at a zoo, you know, you have bonobos at the zoo.
They're just constantly going constantly fucking
Yeah, and they don't care gay straight whatever
let's just fuck I haven't seen Bonobos at a zoo.
That's probably not on the PG section. Yeah,
I don't think they have them at many zoos. We've
looked at that before too, didn't we? Yeah, that's
probably pretty awkward. I think that's the thing.
They like to keep regular chimps at zoos because
Bonobos are just always jacking off. Yeah. What's
that? They have them in San Diego? San Diego's
just got some, yeah. Really? Interesting. Probably
separate them. Yeah. I mean, how many are there
in a cage? It's going to be pretty intense. Yeah.
Yeah, we're a weird thing, you know, and I've
often wondered if whether or not we're, you know,
our ultimate goal is to give birth to some new
thing. And that's why we're so obsessed with
technology. Because it's not like this technology
is really, I mean, it's certainly enhancing our
lives in a certain way, but is, I mean, ultimately,
is it making people happier right now? Most technology,
I would say no. In fact, you and I were talking
about social media before this, about just not
having Instagram on your phone and not dealing
with it. You feel better. Yes. I think one of
the issues with social media that's been pointed
out by many people is that I think maybe particularly
Instagram, people look like they have a much
better life than they really do. Right. By design.
Yeah, people are posting pictures of when they're
really happy. They're modifying those pictures
to be better looking. Even if they're not modifying
the pictures, they're at least selecting the
pictures for the best lighting, the best angle.
So people basically seem, they're way better
looking than they basically really are. Right.
And they're way happier seeming than they really
are. So if you look at everyone on Instagram,
you might think, man, They're all these happy,
beautiful people, and I'm not that good looking
and I'm not happy. So I'm a suck, you know, and
that's gonna make people sad. So when in fact,
those people you think are super happy, actually
not that happy. Some of them are really depressed,
they're very sad. Some of the happiest -seeming
people, actually some of the saddest people in
reality. And and and nobody looks good all the
time doesn't matter who you are. No It's not
even something you should want. Why do you want
to look great all the time? Yeah, exactly. So
So I think I think things like that can make
people quite sad Just by comparison because you
just sort of you people people generally could
think of themselves relative to to others, it's
a we are constantly re We're baselining our expectations
And you can see the say if you watch some show
like naked and afraid or You know if you just
go and try living in the woods by yourself for
a while, and you're like The land that civilization
is quite great has let's love it people want
to come back civilization pretty fast on they
get in afraid Wasn't that a thorough quote the
comparison is a thief of joy? Yeah of happiness
is reality minus expectations That's great, too.
But the comparison is the thief of joy really
holds true to people is it they'd or Roosevelt
Roosevelt fascinating In when you think about
Instagram because what essentially Instagram
is with a lot of people is you're giving them
the opportunity to be their own PR agent and
they always Go towards the glamorous, you know,
and when anybody does show, you know hashtag
no filter They really do do that. Oh, you're
so brave. Look at you. No makeup No, yeah, they
look good. Anyway. You look great. What are you
doing? Oh my god? You don't have makeup on you
still look hot as fuck. You know what you're
doing I know what you're doing, too They're they're
they're letting you know and then they're feeding
off that comment section. Ooh just a little Sitting
there like like it's a fresh stream of love like
you're getting right up to the source as it comes
out of the earth and you're sucking That's a
lot of water emojis emojis. Yeah a lot of emojis
My concern is not so much what Instagram is,
is that I didn't think that people had the need
for this or the expectation for some sort of
technology that allows them to constantly get
love and adulation from strangers and comments
and this ability to project this sort of distorted
version of who you really are. But I worry about
where it goes. Like, what's the next one? What's
the next one? Where is it is it gonna be augmented
is some sort of a weird augmented or virtual
sort of Instagram type situation? Where you're
not gonna want to live in this real world You're
gonna want to interface with this sort of world
that you've created through your social media
page some next -level thing Yeah, go live in
the simulation. Yeah, maybe in the same way some
ready player one type shit That's real that seems
we have that HTC vive here and I've only done
it a couple times, quite honestly, because it
kind of freaks me out. My kids fucking love it,
man. They love it. They love playing these weirdo
games and walking around with that headset on.
But part of me watching them do it goes, wow,
I wonder if this is like the precursor. Just
sort of like if you look at that phone that Gordon
Gekko had on the beach, and then you compare
that to a Galaxy Note 9. How the fuck did that
become that, right? And I wonder when I see this
HTC Vive, I'm like, What is that thing going
to be 10 years from now when we're making fun
of what it is now? How ingrained and how connected
and interconnected is this technology going to
be in our life? It will be, at some point, indistinguishable
from reality. Where we'll lose this. We lose
this like you and I just look at each other through
our eyes. I see you see me I think I hope you
think so I think you probably have regular eyes
This could be some simulation it could do you
entertain that? Well the argument for the simulation
I think is quite strong Because if you assume
any improvements at all Over time any improvement
1 % point 1 % just extend the time frame make
it a thousand years million years. The universe
is 13 .8 billion years old. Civilization, if
you count it, if you're very generous, civilization
is maybe seven or eight thousand years old, if
you count it from the first writing. This is
nothing. This is nothing. So, if you assume any
rate of improvement at all, then games will be
indistinguishable from reality. or civilization
will end, one of those two things will occur.
Therefore, we are most likely in a simulation.
Or we're on our way to one, right? Well, just
because we exist, we could most certainly be
on the road. We could be on the road to that,
right? It doesn't mean that it has to have already
happened. We could be in base reality. We could
be in base reality. We could be here now on our
way to the road or on our way to the destination
where this can never happen again, where we are
completely ingrained in some sort of an artificial
technology or some sort of a symbiotic relationship
with the internet or the next level of sharing
information, but right now we're not there yet.
That's possible too, right? It's possible that
a simulation is one day going to be inevitable,
that we're going to have something that's indistinguishable
from regular reality, but maybe we're not there
yet. That's also possible. We're not quite there
yet. This is real? When I touch that feels very
real, maybe that's why everybody's like into
like mason jars and shit mason suede shoes people
into like craft restaurants And they wouldn't
want raw wood everyone says everyone ought to
see metal people It seems like people are like
longing towards some weird log cabin type and
it's our reality Yeah, like holding on like clinging
just her dragging their nails through the mud
like don't take me yet Yes, I want to but then
but then people will go get a mason jar with
a wine stem or a handle That's dark Makes me
lose faith in humanity wine stem and a handle
they have those yes. Oh, that's dirty people.
Oh, that's terrible assholes That's like people
make pet rocks rough right this some people are
just assholes. They take advantage of our Generous
nature it was made with a wine stem made with
a handle They made it that way yes, so the one
way well like that on to the mace ah you thought
that would be fine if there was They glued it
on or something right though. It was made that
way white trash cheek. Oh, this is disgusting
This is terrible Yeah, that's like fake breasts
that are designed to be hard like fake breasts
from the 60s It's like if you really long for
the ones with ripples here we go yeah, that's
almost what that is yeah What are you gonna do
man? There's nothing you mean. It's not you do
stop certain terrible ideas from propagating
Yeah Anyway, I don't sound like like things are
too dark because I think like you kind of have
to Be optimistic about the future. There's no
point in being pessimistic. It's just too negative
Doesn't help you know I think you want to be
I mean my theory is like you'd rather be Optimistic
I think I'd rather be optimistic and wrong than
pessimistic and right Right at least or on that
side, right? Yeah, because if you're pessimistic
is going to be miserable. Yeah Yeah, nobody wants
to be around you. Anyway, if it's the end of
the world, you're like a fucking told you bro.
Yeah the world ending yeah It is what it is for
all. I mean enjoy the journey right if you really
want to get Morose I mean it is what it is for
all of us. Anyway. We were all gonna go unless
some something changes Yeah, I mean ultimately
you know even if we just sort of existed as humans
forever. We'd be Which still eventually that'd
be like the heat death of the universe right
a zillion years from now Right if we get it past
the Sun if we figure out a way past the Sun running
out of juice Eventually, it's gonna end. It's
just a question of when right so it really is
all about the journey Hmm or transcendence from
whatever we are now into something that doesn't
worry about death The universe as we know it
will dissipate into a fine mist of Cold nothingness
eventually and then someone's gonna bottle it
and put a fragrance to it Sell it to French people
in another dimension. It's just a very long time
Yeah, I think it's really just about how can
we make it last longer? Are you a proponent of
the multi -universes theory? Do you believe that
there are many, many universes, and that even
if this one fades out, that there's other ones
that are starting fresh right now, and there's
an infinite number of them, and they're just
constantly in this never -ending cycle of birth
and death? I think most likely, this is just
about probability, there are many, many simulations.
These simulations are, we might as well call
them reality. We could call them multiverse these
simulations you believe are created like someone
has many they're running on the substrate So
that substrate is probably boring boring mm -hmm
how so Well when we create a simulation Like
a game or a movie. It's a distillation of what's
interesting about life You know like it it takes
you take a year to shoot an action movie And
then that's all to slow down into two or three
hours. So let me tell you, if you see an action
movie being filmed, it's frigging, it's boring,
super boring. It takes, there's like lots of
takes, everything's in a green screen, looks
pretty goofy, doesn't look cool. But once you
add the CGI and have great editing, it's amazing.
So I think most likely... If we're a simulation
it's really boring outside the simulation Because
why would you make a simulation that's boring
it makes simulation way more interesting the
base reality that is if this right now is a simulation
yes and Ultimately inevitably we're if as long
as we don't die or get hit by a meteor We're
going to create some sort of simulation if we
continue on the same technological path. We're
on we're on right now Yes, but we might not be
there yet So it might not be a simulation here.
But it most likely is you feel other places.
This notion of place or where is a... Flawed.
Yes. Flawed perception. Like that, if you have
this sort of, that vibe, you know, that's made
by Valve, and it's really Valve. that made it.
HTC did the hardware, but it's really a Valve
thing. Makers of Half -Life. Yes. Valve, great
company. Great company. When you're in that virtual
reality, which is only going to get better, where
are you? Where are you really? Right. You aren't
anywhere. We're in the computer. What defines
where you are? Exactly. It's your perception.
Is it your perceptions, or is it a scale that
we have under your butt? You're right here. I've
measured you. You're the same weight as you were
when you left. Meanwhile, your experience is
radically different. Why do you think you're
where you are right now? You might not be. I'll
spark up a joint if you keep talking. Your manager's
going to come in here. We might have to lock
the door. Right now, you think you're in a studio
in LA. That's what I heard. You might be in a
computer. Oh, listen, man. I think about this
all the time. Yeah, I mean It's unquestionable
that one day. That'll be the case as long as
we keep going as long as nothing interrupts us
and if we start from scratch and You know we're
single celled organisms all over again, and then
millions and millions of years later We become
the next thing that is us with creativity and
the ability to change its environment It's gonna
keep monkeying with things until it figures out
a way to change reality to change. I mean almost
like punch a hole through what is this thing
into what what it wants it to be and create new
things and then those new things will intersect
with other people's new things and then it'll
be this ultimate pathway of infinite ideas and
expression all through technology yeah and then
we're wonder we're gonna wonder like why are
we here what are we doing let's find out Well,
I mean, I think we should take the actions, the
set of actions that are most likely to make the
future better. Yes. Right. Yeah. Right. Right.
And then reevaluate those actions to make sure
that it's true. Well, I think there's a movement
to that. I mean, in terms of like a social movement,
I think some of it's misguided and some of it's
exaggerated. And there's a lot of people that
are fighting for their side out there. But it
seems like the general trend of like social awareness
seems to be much more heightened now than has
ever been in any other time in history because
of our ability to express ourselves instantaneously
to each other through Facebook or Twitter or
what have you. And that the trend is to abandon
preconceived notions, abandon prejudice, abandon
discrimination and promote Kindness and happiness
as much as possible. Look at this knife. Somebody
gave it to me. Sorry Yeah, what is this? What
the fuck did you do? Ah, my friend Donnie He
brought this with him and it just stayed here.
I have a real samurai sword if you want to play
with that I know you're into weapons. That's
from the 1500s Samurai sword at the end of the
table. Yeah, that's cool. I'll grab it. Hold
on Yeah, that's a legit samurai sword from an
actual samurai from the 1500s. If you pull out
that blade, that blade was made the old way where
a master craftsman folded that metal and hammered
it down over and over again over a long period
of time and honed that blade into what it is
now. What's crazy is that more than 500 years
later, that thing is still pristine. I mean,
whoever took care of that and passed it down
to the next person who took care of it and You
know till it got to the podcast room. It's pretty
fucking crazy. Yeah one day someone's gonna be
looking at a Tesla like that These fucking back
doors they pop up sideways like a Lamborghini
You should see what the Tesla can do You didn't
you should I'll show you after what driven one.
I love them Yeah, but most people don't know
what it can do in terms of like ludicrous mode
In terms like driving super fast and irresponsibly
on public roads, is that what you're saying?
A wedding car can do that. Yeah. What can it
do that I need to know about? I mean, the Model
X can do this, like, ballet thing to the Trans
-Siberian Orchestra. It's pretty cool. Where
it dances? Yes. Legitimately, like moves around
to... Yes. Why would you program that into a
car? Seemed like fun That's what I get about
you. That's what's weird like when you showed
up here You're all smiles, and you pull out a
fucking blowtorch and not a blowtorch But I'm
like look at this dude. Not a flamethrower. Not
a flamethrower. Mike you're having fun. It's
definitely not a flamethrower. You're having
fun like this is uh Like this thing when you
know you program a car to do a ballet dance.
You're having fun How do you have the time to
do that? I don't understand why you're digging
holes under the earth and sending rockets into
space and powering people in Australia, like
how the fuck do you have time to make the car
dance ballet? Well, I mean, in that case, there
were some engineers at Tesla that said, you know,
what if we make this car dance and play music?
I was like, that sounds great. Please do it.
Let's try to get it done in time for Christmas.
We did. Is there a concern about someone just
losing their mind and making it do that in the
highway? No, it won't do that. What if it's in
bumper -to -bumper traffic? Nope. No. Won't do
it. Nope. Actually, you have to, it's an Easter
egg. Oh, it's an Easter egg. Yeah, that's why
people don't know about it. Including people
who have the car. It's like, it could do lots
of things. Lots of things. Once Reddit gets a
hold of it, everyone's gonna know that. Oh, you
just have to, it's, everyone, if you search for
it on the internet, you will find out, but people
don't know that. They should even search for
it. Oh, well, they do now. Yes. Yes. There's
so many things about the Model X and the Model
S and the Model 3 that people don't know about.
We should probably do a video or something and
explain it. Because I have close friends of mine,
and I say, do you know the car can do this? And
they're like, nope. Do you want to do a video
of that? Or do you like the fact that some people
don't know? No, I think it's probably not we
should tell people yeah, probably yes, that would
help your product I mean, it's not like you don't
sell enough of them. You sell almost too many
of them right The I mean I think at Tesla It's
the most fun thing you could possibly buy ever
That's what it's meant to be well our goal is
to make it's It's not exactly a car. It's actually
a thing to maximize enjoyment Make its maximum
fun Okay Electronic like big screen laptop ridiculous
speed handling all that stuff Yeah, do you you
have and we're gonna put video games in it you
are yeah, is that's wise Well, what can you you
won't be able to drive while you're playing the
video game? But for example, we're just putting
the Atari emulator, ROM emulator in it. So we'll
play Missile Command and Lunar Lander and a bunch
of other things. Yeah. That sounds cool. It's
pretty fun. I like that. Yeah. And we improved
the interface in Missile Command because it was
too hard with the old trackball. So this is a
touchscreen version of Missile Command. So you
have a chance. You have an old car, don't you?
Don't you have like an old Jaguar? Yeah, yeah,
that's that's much better at that 61 series 1e
type Jaguar. I love cars. It's great. Yeah, I
love old cars Yeah, the only two got only two
gasoline cars I have about that and an Old like
a Ford Model T that a friend of mine gave me
Hmm. That's my only two gasoline cars. Is the
Ford Model T all stock? Well, there's your car
Convertible That is a gorgeous car. God, that's
a good looking car. Yes. Is that yours? That
is. It's not mine. It's extremely close to mine.
But I don't have a French license plate on mine.
Oh, that's a beautiful car. They nailed that.
Mine looks like that. God, they nailed that.
That's what mine looks like. Maybe that is mine.
There's certain iconic shapes. Yes. And there's
something about those cars, too. They're not
as capable. Not nearly as capable as like a Tesla,
but there's something Really satisfying about
the mechanical aspect of like feeling the steering
and the grinding of the gears and the shifting
There's something about those that's extremely
satisfying even though they're not that competent
like I have a 1993 Porsche 964 it's like a lightweight
It's not it's in the RS America. It's not very
fast It's not like in comparison to a Tesla or
anything that but the thing about it is like
it's mechanical you feel everything's like It's
like it gives you this weird thrill like you're
on this Clinky ride and there's all this feedback
There's something to that. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
I mean Yeah, my e -type is like basically no
electronics. Yeah It's so you like that, but
you also like electronics Yeah, like your Tesla
soup. It's like the far end of electronics. Yes
drives itself It's driving itself better every
day Yeah, it's like we're about to release the
software that will enable you to Just turn it
on, and it'll drive from highway on -ramp to
highway exit, do lane changes, overtake other
cars, go from one interchange to the next. If
you get on, say, the 405, get off 300 miles later,
and go through several highway interchanges,
and just overtake other cars, and hook into the
nav system. And then, uh... And you're just meditating.
Yeah, it's very... It's kind of eerie. It's kind
of eerie. What did you think when you saw that
video of that dude falling asleep behind the
wheel? I'm sure you've seen it. The one in San
Francisco. He's like right outside of San Jose.
The dude's out cold like this. And the car's
in bumper to bumper traffic moving along. Have
you seen it, right? Yeah, yeah. We changed the
software. Did you say what have I done? We changed
the software. That's, I think, an old video.
We changed the software where if you don't touch
the wheel, it will gradually slow down and put
the emergency lights on and wake you up. Oh,
that's hilarious. Yeah. That's hilarious. Yeah,
can you choose what voice wakes you up? Well,
it's sort of more of a It's sort of honks honks.
Yeah, this should be like wake up fuck face Well,
you're endangering your fellow humans. We could
we could gently wake you up with a sultry voice
That would be good like something with a southern
accent Hey, wake up sunshine. Hey, sweetie Won't
you wake you like pick you could pick your Right
like what you want. Yeah, I choose the Australian
girl for Siri. Yeah, I like her voice. Do you
want it seductive favorite? What flavor of do
it do you want to be angry should be anything
you want those Australian prison lady jeans now
when you When you program something like that
in is this in response to a concern or is it
your own? Yeah, if you do you look at it and
go hey They shouldn't just be able to fall asleep
Let's wake them up Yeah, yeah, we it's like you
know like You know, people falling asleep, we've
got to do something about that. Right. But when
you first released it, you didn't consider it,
right? You're just like, well, no one's going
to just sleep. People fall asleep in cars all
the time. All the time. And crash. Yeah. At least
our car doesn't crash. That's better. It's better
not to crash. Imagine if that guy had fallen
asleep in a gasoline car. They do it all the
time. For sure. Yeah. And they would crash into
somebody. Yeah. In fact, the thing that really,
you know, Got me to, it's like, man, we better
get autopilot going and get it out there. A guy
was in an early Tesla, driving down the highway
and he fell asleep and he ran over a cyclist
and killed him. And the cyclist was like, man,
if we had autopilot, we might have fallen asleep,
but at least he wouldn't have run over that cyclist.
So how did you implement it? Like, did you just
use cameras programmed? with the system, so that
if it sees images, it slows down. And how much
time do you give? Is the person who's in control
of it allowed to program how fast it goes? Yes.
Yeah, you can program it to be more or less like
more conservative, or like more aggressive driver.
And you can say what speed you want it to, what
speed is OK. I know you have ludicrous mode.
Do you have douchebag mode? It just cuts people
off. Well, for lane changes it's tricky because
if you're in like LA, unless you're pretty aggressive,
it's hard to change lanes sometimes. It's hard
to be Sat Nam. It's hard to be Namaste here in
LA if you want to hit that Santa Monica Boulevard
off -ramp. I mean, you've got to be a little
pushy. You've got to be a little pushy. Yeah,
especially when people are angry. They're a little
angry. They don't want you in. They speed up.
Sometimes, you know, I think people like overall
a pretty nice on the highway even in LA, but
sometimes they're not Do you think the Neuralink
will help that? Probably everybody be locked
in together this hive mind Tunnels will help
it. We're gonna have traffic. That'll help a
lot. Yeah, how many of those can you put in there?
Nice thing about tunnels is you can go 3d So
go by any levels right so until you hit hell.
Yeah But you can go, you can have a hundred levels
of tunnel, no problems. Jesus Christ, I don't
want to be on 99. I don't want to be on negative
99 floors. This is one of the fundamental things
people don't appreciate about tunnels is that
it's not like roads. The fundamental issue with
roads is that you have a 2D transport system
and a 3D living and workspace environment. So
you got all these tall buildings or concentrated
work environments and And then you want to go
into this 2D transport system, which is pretty
low density, because cars are spaced out pretty
far. And so that obviously is not going to work.
You're going to have traffic guaranteed. But
if you can go 3D on your transport system, then
you can solve all traffic. You can either go
3D up with a flying car, or you can go 3D down
with tunnels. You can have as many tunnel levels
as you want. arbitrarily relieve any amount of
traffic. You can go further down with tunnels
than you can go up with buildings. You're 10
,000 feet down if you want. I wouldn't recommend
it, but... What was that movie with, uh, what's
-his -face? Bradley Coo - not Bradley Cooper.
Uh, Christian - no, what the fuck's his name?
Batman. Who is Batman? Christian Bale. Where
he - they fought dragons? Him and Matthew McConaughey?
They went down deep into the earth. How high
how deep can you go with Batman? Yeah, it was
it was Batman for dragons Batman, but it's Christian
Bale rain of fire rain of fire. Okay, so that
No Okay, but good I wouldn't recommend drilling
super far down Yeah, it gets hot right molten.
We're yeah earth is a giant ball of lava Mm -hmm
with a thin crust on the top which we think of
as like the surface This thin crust. And it's
mostly just a big ball of lava. That's Earth.
But 10 ,000 feet is not a big deal. Have you
given any consideration whatsoever to the flat
Earth movement? I think that's a troll situation.
Oh, it's not. No, it's not. You would like to
think that because you're super genius. But I,
as a normal person, I know there's people way
dumber than me. And they really, really believe.
They watch YouTube videos which go on uninterrupted
and spew out a bunch of fucking fake facts very
eloquently and articulately. And they really
believe. These people really believe. I mean,
if it works for them, sure. Fine, fine. Weird
though, right? That in this age where You know,
there's ludicrous mode in your car, goes 1 .9
seconds, 0 -60. 2 .2. 2 .2? Which one's 1 .9?
The Roadster? Oh, the next generation Roadster.
Standard edition. Yeah, I'm on top of this shit.
That's just it. That's what that is. Standard
edition. Yeah, so it's about the performance
package. What? Performance package? Yeah. What
the fuck do you need? We're gonna put rocket
thrusters on it. For real? Yes. What are they
gonna burn? Nothing. Ultra -high pressure. Compressed
air well just air cold gas thrusters Did you
have to have air tanks or they're sucking the
air out of okay? Yeah, it's an electric pump
Whoa pump it up to like 10 ,000 psi and how fast
we talking zero to 60 how fast you want to go?
I'm gonna go could make it just came why I want
to go back in time make it fly you make it fly
sure Do you anticipate that as being I mean you're
talking about the tunnels and then flying cars
Do you really think that's gonna be real too
noisy and there's too much airflow? So the final
issue with flying cars, if you get one of those
toy drones, think of how loud those are and how
much air they blow. Now imagine if that's a thousand
times heavier. This is not going to make your
neighbors happy. Your neighbors are not going
to be happy if you land a flying car in your
backyard. It'll be very helicopter -like. Or
on your roof. They're just really going to be
like, what the hell? That was annoying. You can't
even look If you want a flying car just put some
wheels on a helicopter Is there a way around
that like what if they figure out some sort of
magnetic technology like all those Bob Lazar
type characters were thinking that was a part
of the UFO technology they were doing an area
51 remember didn't they have some some thoughts
about? Magnetics nope no bullshit. Yes, really
yeah, there's a fundamental momentum exchange
with the air so you must You must accelerate
you there's there's like there's there's a certain
you have a mass and you have gravity gravitational
acceleration and Mass mass times your mass times
gravity must equal the mass of airflow times
the acceleration of that airflow to have a neutral
force So it's impossible to get around and then
you won't move, but if mg is greater than ma
you will go down And if ma is greater than mg
you will go up That's how it works. There's just
no way around that there is definitely no way
around it There's no way to create some sort
of a magnetic something or another that allows
you to Technically yes, you you could have a
strong enough Magnet But that magnet would be
so strong That you would create a lot of trouble.
We just suck cars up into your car Just pick
up I mean, you'd have to repel off of either
material on the ground or in a really nutty situation
off of Earth's gravitational field and somehow
make that incredibly light. But that magnet would
cause so much destruction, you'd be better off
with a helicopter. So if there was some sort
of magnet road, like you have two magnets and
they repel each other? If you had some sort of
a magnet road that was below you, and you could
travel on that magnet road, that would work.
Ha ha ha. Yes. Yes, you could have a magnet road.
A magnet road. Is that too ridiculous? No, it
would work. You could do that. It's a bit ridiculous,
too, right? I would not recommend it. There's
a lot of things I don't recommend. I would not
recommend that. Not wise, I think. No. No. No.
Definitely not. Definitely not. That would cause
a lot of trouble. So you've put some time and
consideration into this other than, you know,
instead of like my foolishly rendered thoughts.
So you think that tunnels are the way to do it.
Oh, it'll work for sure. That'll work. Yes. And
these tunnels that you're building right now,
these are basically just like test versions of
this ultimate idea that you have? You know, it's
just a hole in the ground, right? We played videos
of it where you know drop that hole in the ground
There's a sled on it and the sled goes very fast
like a hundred miles an hour plus Yeah, you can
go real fast. You know fast as you want And then
if you want to go long distances, you can just
draw the air out of the tunnel. Make sure it's
real straight Draw the air in the tunnel. Yeah,
it's a vacuum tunnel because the then and then
Depending on how fast you want to go, you can
use these wheels. Or you could use air bearings,
depending upon the ambient pressure in the tunnel.
Or you could maglev it if you want to go super
fast. So a magnet road. Yes. But underground
magnet roads. Underground magnet roads. Otherwise,
you're going to really create a lot of trouble
because of those metal things. So magnet road
is the way to go, just underground. If you want
to go really fast underground. You would be in,
you would be maglev in a vacuum tunnel. Mag in
a vacuum tunnel. Magnetic levitation in a vacuum
tunnel. With rocket launchers. Pardon? With rocket
launchers. No, I would not recommend putting
any exhaust gas in the tunnel. Oh, okay. I see
what you're saying. Because then you're going
to have to pump it out. Right. You'll have to
pump it out. And you probably have a limited
amount of air in the first place. Like how much
can you breathe? Do you have to pump oxygen into
these cubicles? No, you have a pressurized pod.
It'd be like a little tiny underground spaceship
basically. Like an airplane. Because you have
air in an airplane, it's not getting new air
in. It is. It is? Yes. They have like a little
hole? Yeah, they have a pump. Really? So it gets
it from the outside? Yes. Wow, I didn't know
that. Airplanes have it easy because essentially
they're pretty leaky. Jesus. Yeah, but as long
as the air pump is... Working at a decent speed.
They have backup pumps. So they have like three
pumps or four pumps or something. And then that,
then there's like, it exhausts through the outflow
valve and through whatever seals are not sealing
quite right. Usually the door doesn't seal quite
right on a plane. So there's a bit of leakage
around the door. But the pumps exceed the outflow
rate. And then that sets the pressure in the
in the cabin. Now, have you ever looked at planes
and gone? I could fix this. I just don't have
time. I have a design for a plane. You do? Yes.
A better design? I mean, probably. I think it
is. Who have you talked to about this? And I've
talked to friends, friends, friends, and I'm
your friend, girlfriend. You can tell me. What
do you got? What's going on? Well, I mean, the
exciting thing to do would be some sort of electric
vertical takeoff and landing supersonic jet of
some kind. Vertical takeoff and landing, meaning
no need for a runway. Just shoot up straight
in the air, and then tchoo. Ooh. How would you
do that? I mean, they do that on some military
aircrafts, correct? Yes. The trick is that you
have to transition to level flight. The thing
that you would use for vertical takeoff and landing
is not suitable for high -speed flight. So you
have two different systems? I've thought about
this quite a lot. Quite a lot. The interesting
thing about an electric plane is that you want
to go as high as possible, but you need a certain
energy density in the battery pack because you
have to overcome gravitational potential energy.
Once you've overcome gravitational potential
energy and you're at yet at a high altitude,
the energy you use in cruise is very low. And
then you can recapture a large part of the gravitational
potential energy on the way down. So you really
don't need any kind of reserve fuel, if you will,
because you have the energy of height, gravitational
potential energy. This is a lot of energy. So
once you can get high, the way to think about
a plane is it's a force balance. So the force
balance, so a plane that is not accelerating
is a neutral force balance. You have the force
of gravity, you have the lift force of the wings,
then you've got the force of the whatever thrusting
device, the propeller or turbine or whatever
it is, and you've got the resistance force of
the air. Now the higher you go, the lower the
air resistance is. Air density drops exponentially,
but drag increases with the square, and exponential
beats the square. The higher you go, the faster
you will go for the same amount of energy. And
at a certain altitude, you can go supersonic
with less energy per mile, quite a lot less energy
per mile, than an aircraft at 35 ,000 feet, because
it's just a force balance. conversation it makes
sense though no I'm sure it does now when you
think about this new idea of designing you mean
when when you have this idea about improving
planes mm -hmm are you gonna bring this to somebody
you just chuck a lot on my plate right that's
what I'm saying I don't know I don't know how
you do what you do now but if you keep coming
up with these But it's got to be hard to pawn
these off on someone else either hey go do a
job a good job with this vertical Takeoff and
landing system that I want to implement to regular
planes The airplane electric airplane isn't necessary
right now electric cars are important We solar
energy is important Stationary storage of energy
is important. These things are much more important
than creating electric supersonic VTOL also The
planes naturally you really want that gravitational
energy density for an aircraft and this is improving
over time. So You know, it's important that we
accelerate the transition to sustainable energy
That's why electric cars it matters whether electric
cars happen sooner or later You know, we're really
playing the crazy game here with the atmosphere
and the oceans We're taking vast amounts of carbon
from deep underground And putting this in the
atmosphere, this is crazy. We should not do this.
It's very dangerous. So we should accelerate
the transition to sustainable energy. I mean,
the bizarre thing is that obviously we're going
to run out of oil in the long term. There's only
so much oil we can... We can mine and burn. It's
tautological. We must have a sustainable energy
transport and energy infrastructure in the long
term. So we know that's the end point. We know
that. So why run this crazy experiment where
we take trillions of tons of carbon from underground
and put it in the atmosphere and oceans? This
is an insane experiment. It's the dumbest experiment
in human history. Why are we doing this? It's
crazy. Do you think this is a product of momentum,
that we started off doing this when it was just
a few engines, a few hundred million gallons
of fuel over the whole world, not that big of
a deal, and then slowly but surely over a century
it got out of control? And now it's not just
our fuel, but it's also fossil fuels are involved
in so many different electronics, so many different...
items that people buy. It's just this constant
desire for fossil fuels, constant need for oil
without consideration of the sustainability.
The things like oil, oil, coal, gas. It's the
easy money. Right. It's easy money. So have you
heard about clean coal? The president's been
tweeting about it. It's got to be real. Clean
coal, all caps. Did you see he used all caps.
Clean coal. Well, You know, it's very difficult
to put that co2 back in the ground. It doesn't
like being in solid form Like some sort of a
filter giant building sized filter sucks carbon
out of the atmosphere No, it doesn't possible
no, no, no, no definitely not fucked no, we're
not fucked I Mean this is a quite a complex question,
right? You know, we're really just The more carbon
we take out of the ground and add to the atmosphere
and a lot of it gets permeated into the oceans
The more dangerous it is like I don't think right
now. I think we're okay right now We can probably
even add some more but the momentum towards sustainable
energy is too slow like the There's a vast base
of industry vast transportation system like this,
there's two and a half billion cars and trucks
in the world. And the new car and truck production,
if it was 100 % electric, that's only about 100
million per year. So it would take, if you could
snap your fingers and instantly turn all cars
and trucks electric, it would still take 25 years
to change the transport base to electric. Makes
sense because how long does a truck car truck
last before it goes into the junkyard and gets
crushed about 20 to 25 years? Is there a way
to accelerate that process like some sort of
subsidies or some encouragement from the government
financially? Well the thing that is going on
right now is that there is a an inherent subsidy
in any oil -burning device any any power plant
or car is fundamentally consuming the carbon
capacity of the oceans and atmosphere. I'll just
say atmosphere for short. So you can say, OK,
there's a certain probability of something bad
happening past a certain carbon concentration
in the atmosphere. And so there's some uncertain
number where if we put too much carbon in the
atmosphere, things overheat. Oceans warm up.
Ice caps melt. Ocean real estate becomes a lot
less valuable. Something's under water. But it's
not clear what that number is. But it's definitely
a scientific consensus is overwhelming. I mean,
I don't know any. serious scientists, actually
zero, literally zero, who don't think that, you
know, that we have quite a serious climate risk
that we're facing. And so there's fundamentally
a subsidy occurring with every fossil fuel burning
thing, power plants, aircraft, car, frankly even
rockets. I mean, rockets use up They burn fuel.
But with rockets, there's just no other way to
get to orbit, unfortunately. So it's the only
way. But with cars, there's definitely a better
way with electric cars. And to generate the energy,
do so with photovoltaics, because we've got a
giant thermonuclear reactor in the sky called
the Sun. It's great. It shows up every day. Very
reliable. So if you can generate energy from
solar panels stored with batteries, you can have
energy 24 hours a day. And then you can, you
know, can send it to the poles or near to the
north with, you know, high voltage lines. Also
the northern parts of the world tend to have
a lot of hydropower as well. But anyway, all
fossil -fuel powered things have an inherent
subsidy, which is their consumption of the carbon
capacity of the atmosphere and oceans. So people
tend to think like, why should electric vehicles
have a subsidy? But they're not taking into account
that all fossil -fuel burning vehicles fundamentally
are subsidized by the environmental cost to Earth.
But nobody's paying for it. We are going to pay
for it obviously in the future. We will pay for
it It's just not paid for now Now what is the
bottleneck in regards to electric cars and trucks
and things like that? Is it battery capacity?
Yeah, I've got to scale up production gonna make
the car compelling make it better than Gasoline
or diesel cars make it more efficient in terms
of like the distance it can travel Yeah, I gotta
be able to go far far enough recharge fast and
your roadster. You're you're anticipating 600
miles. Is that correct? Yeah, yeah, what is it?
What is that right now? Like have you driven
one 600 miles now? No, we could totally make
one right now that would do 600 miles, but the
thing is too expensive. So Like the cars better
more so Well, you know, it's just have a turn
to kill what our pat battery pack and you can
go 600 miles What do you have now? 330 mile range
that's planning for my range. What is that in
terms of kilowatts? Well, that would be for a
model s 100 kilowatt hour pack will do about
330 miles maybe 335 but some people have hyper
milded to 500 miles hyper mild it would yeah,
I just like go on 45 miles an hour or something?
Yeah, they're like 30 miles an hour. It's like
on level ground with you pump the tires up really
well and go on a smooth surface and you can go
for a long time. But you can like definitely
comfortably do 300 miles. This is fine for most
people. Usually 200 or 250 miles is fine. 300
miles is, you don't even think about it really.
Is there any possibility that you could use solar
powered one day, especially in Los Angeles? I
mean, as you said about that giant nuclear reactor
a million times bigger than Earth just floating
in the sky. Is it possible that one day you'll
be able to just power all these cars just on
solar power? I mean, we don't ever have cloudy
days. If we do, there's three of them. Well,
the surface area of a car is, without making
the car really blocky, Or having some like a
g -wagon. Yeah like and just like I've been look
a lot of surf sir We're like maybe like solar
panels fold out or something like your e -class.
Haha. That's what we needed The e -type yeah
that the e Jaguar e -type with a giant long hood
that could be a giant solar panel well at the
beginning of Tesla I did want to have this like
Unfolding solar panel thing they'd press a button
and it would just like unfold these solar panels
and like charge Recharge your car in the parking
lot Yeah, we could do that, but I think it's
probably better to just put that on your roof,
right? And then it's gonna just be facing the
Sun all the time because like otherwise your
car could be in the shade You know could be in
the shade it could be in a garage or something
like that Yeah, didn't a Fisker have that on
the roof the Fisker Karma new generation for
I believe it was only for the The radio is that
correct? Yeah, I mean I think it could like recharge
like two miles a day or something Did you laugh
when they started blowing up when they get hit
with water? Do you remember what happened? They
got the what? Yeah, the when they had a dealership
or oh, yeah Fisker Karma's were parked. Is that
like that with a flood in? Yes. Yes when the
the hurricane came in they got overwhelmed with
water and they all started exploding this fucking
great video of it Did you watch the video? I
didn't watch the video, but I did see a picture
of the ass. I'm naked lubed up Watch that video
laugh my ass off. They all blow up. They got
wet and they blew up. That's not good Yeah, we
made our battery waterproof. So that doesn't
happen smart move Yeah, there's a guy in Kazakhstan
that I Think it's Kazakhstan that he he just
boated through a tunnel under underwater tunnel
like a flooded tunnel and just Turn the wheels
to steer and press the accelerator and it just
Floated through the tunnel and he's Wow steered
around the other cars. You're like, that's amazing.
It's on the internet What happens if your car
gets a little sideways? Like if you're driving
in snow, like what if you're driving if your
autopilot is on and you're in like Denver and
it snows out And your car gets a little sideways.
Does it correct itself? Does it? Oh, yeah, it's
got great traction control, but does it know
how to like correct? Do you know how like oh,
yeah ass and kicks out. You know how to counter
steer Oh, yeah, no, it's really good. It knows
how to do it. Yeah, whoa It's pretty crazy. That's
pretty crazy. Yeah, so like if you're going sideways,
it knows how to correct itself It generally won't
go sideways. It won't now why not it will correct
itself before it goes sideways even in black
eyes Yeah, you this videos we could see the car
the Traction control system is Very good. It
makes you feel like Superman. It's great you
like Feel like you're gonna like it will make
you feel like this incredible driver. I believe
it Yeah, now. How do you program what we do our
testing on like an ice lake in Sweden? Oh, really?
Yeah, and like Norway and Canada and a few other
places Porsche does a lot of that too as well
They do a lot of their they do some of their
driver training school on these frozen surfaces.
So you're just The car is going sideways whether
you like it or not, and you have to learn how
to slide into corners and how to adjust. Well,
electric cars have really great traction control
because the reaction time is so fast. So with
a gasoline car, you've got a lot of latency.
It takes a while for the engine to react, but
electric motor is incredibly precise. If you
had like a printer or something, you wouldn't
have a gasoline engine printer. That would be
pretty weird. Or like a surgical device. It's
going to be an electric motor on the surgical
device on the printer. The gasoline engine's
going to be just chugging away. It's not going
to have the reaction time. But to an electric
motor, it's operating at the millisecond level.
So it can turn on and off traction. Within like
inches of getting on the honest like let's say
drive a patch of ice It'll turn traction off
and then turn it on a couple inches right after
the ice like a little patch of ice Because in
the frame of the electric motor You're moving
incredibly slowly. You're like a snake. It's
you're a snail You're just moving so slowly Because
it's it's it can see at a thousand frames a second
It's like say one Mississippi It just thought
about things a thousand times so it's realized
that your wheels are not getting traction It
understands. There's some slippery surface that
you're driving on yes, and it makes adjustments
in real time. Yes and milliseconds That would
be so much safer than a regular car Yes, it is
just that alone for loved ones. You'd want them
to be driving your car Yes on board Fuck motors.
Fuck regular motors. The S, X, and 3 have the
lowest probability of injury of any cars ever
tested by the U .S. government. Wow. Yeah. It's
pretty crazy. People still sue us. They'll have
some accident at 60 miles an hour where they've
twisted an ankle and they'll be dead in another
car. They still sue us. But that's to be expected,
isn't it? It is to be expected. Do you take that
into account with like the same sort of fatalistic,
you know, undertones just sort of just go, uh,
you got to just let it go. This is what people
do. So yeah, I've got quite a lot of respect
for the justice system. Judges are very smart
and they see they as like I haven't so far I've
found judges to be very good at justice because
I like blackboard. like and juries are good too
like they're actually quite good um you know
people you know you read about like occasional
errors in the justice system let me tell you
most of the time they're very good um and like
the you know the guy mentioned that who fell
asleep in the car and you he rode over a cyclist
and you know and and that was what encouraged
me to get autopilot out as soon as possible that
guy sued us He sued you for falling asleep. Yes.
I'm not kidding. He blamed it on the new car
smell. What? Yes. He blamed him falling asleep
on your new car smell. This is a real thing that
happened. Somewhere there's a lawyer that thought
that through in front of his laptop before he
wrote that up. Yes. He got a lawyer and he sued
us. And the judge was like, this is crazy. Stop
bothering me. No. Thank God. Yes. Thank God.
Thank God there's a judge out there with a brain.
I'm telling you, judges are very good. Some of
them. What about that judge that sent those boys
up the river in Pennsylvania who was selling
those kids out? You know about that story? No.
Yeah, judge was selling young boys to prisons.
He was like literally, yeah, literally under
bribes for, he was... Was this an elected judge
or... Have a judge that's like actually a politician.
No, he's elected judge This is a very famous
story who he's in jail right now I think for
the rest of his life and he put away he would
take like a young boy would do something like
steal something from a store, okay, and he would
put him in detention for you know, five years
something were ridiculously egregious and They
investigated his history and they found out that
he was literally being paid off Was it by private
prisons? Is that what the the deal was? There
was some sort of but anyway, this judge is two
judges who judges kids for cash scandals what's
called 2008? Yeah common, please judges So I
think they are elected and who was paying them
Someone it was proven to the point where they're
in jail now that someone was paying them to put
more asses in the seats in these private prisons.
A million dollar payment to put him in a youth
centers builder. A million dollar payment. I
do think it's this private prisons thing is creating
a bad incentive. Yes. But I mean that judge is
in prison. Thank God. Yes. But for people who
think perhaps the justice system consists entirely
of judges like that I want to assure you this
is not the case. The vast majority of judges
are very good. I agree. And they care about justice
and they could have made a lot more money if
they wanted to be a trial lawyer. And instead
they cared about justice and they made less money
because they care about justice. And that's why
they're judges. I feel that same way about police
officers. I feel like there's so many interactions
with so many different people with police officers
that the very few that stand out that are horrific.
We tend to look at that like this is evidence
that police are all corrupt and I think that's
crazy. No, most police are very honest. And the
military personnel that I know are very honorable,
ethical people, and much more honorable and ethical
than the average person. That's my impression.
That is my impression as well. And that's not
to suggest that we be complacent and assume everyone's
honest and ethical. And obviously, if somebody
is given a trusted place in society, such as
being a police officer or a judge, and they are
corrupted, then we must be extra vigilant against
such situations and take action. But we should
not think that this is somehow broadly descriptive
of people in that profession. I couldn't agree
more. I think there's also an issue with one
of the things that happens with police officers,
prosecutors, and anyone that's trying to convict
someone or arrest someone is that it becomes
a game. And in games, people want to win, and
sometimes people cheat. Yes. Yes, I mean, if
you're a prosecutor, you should not always want
to win. There are times when you should like,
OK, I should not want to win this case, and then
just pass on that case. Sometimes people want
to win too much. That is true. I think also it
becomes tough. If you're like a district attorney,
you tend to sort of see a lot of criminals. your
view of the world can get negatively, you can
have a negative view of the world because you're
just interacting with a lot of criminals, but
actually most of society is not consists of criminals.
And I actually had this conversation at dinner
several years ago with Assistant Attorney, I
was like, man, it must sometimes seem pretty
dark because, man, there's some terrible human
beings out there. And he was like, yep. And he
was like dealing with some case which consisted
of a couple of old ladies that would run people
over somehow for insurance money. It was rough.
I was like, wow, that's pretty rough. It's like
hard to maintain faith in humanity if you're
a district attorney. But you know, it's only
a few percent of society that are actually...
And then if you go to the worst, say, 0 .1 %
of society or the worst one in a thousand, one
in a million, you know, like how bad is the millionth
worst person in the United States? Pretty damn
bad. Like damn evil. Like the millionth, like
the millionth, well, one in a million of evil
is so evil, people cannot even conceive of it.
But there's 330 million people in the United
States, so that's 330 people out there somewhere.
By the same token, there's also 330 people who
are incredible angels and unbelievably good human
beings. On the other side. But because of our
fear of danger, we tend to... our thoughts tend
to gravitate towards the worst -case scenario.
Yes. And we want to frame that. And it's one
of the real problems with prejudice. Whether
it's prejudice towards different minorities or
prejudice towards police officers or anything,
it's like we want to look at the worst -case
scenario and say, this is an example of what
this is all about. And you see that. even with
people, how they frame genders. Some men frame
women like that. They get ripped off by a few
women, and they decide all women are evil. Some
women get fucked over by a few men, all men are
shit. And this is very toxic. And it's also a
very unbalanced way of viewing the world, and
it's very emotionally based, and it's based on
your own experience, your own anecdotal experience.
It can be very influential to the people around
you and it's just, it's a dangerous way, it's
a dangerous thought process and pattern to promote.
It is. It is a very dangerous thought pattern.
I really think, you know, people should give
other people the benefit of the doubt and assume
that they're good until proven otherwise. And
I think really most people are actually pretty
good people. Nobody's perfect. They have to be.
If you think of the vast numbers of us that are
just interacting with each other constantly,
we have to be better than we think we are. There's
no other way. I mean, here are these weapons,
but how many times, like, nobody's presumably
tried to murder you in your institute? Nobody
yet. Yes, nobody's, like, put the swords right
there. Now there's a flamethrower. Fake flamethrower
here. Exactly. Not a flamethrower. Now we've
got a real problem. I'm gonna put it on that
side, too. I'm gonna leave it for the guests.
Yeah. I'm like, look man, if I say something
that fucked up, it's right there. So they're
livin' things up for sure. Guaranteed to make
any party better. Yeah. Well, that's, I mean,
that's the armed civilization theory, right?
That an armed community is a safe and polite
community. Yeah. You ever been to Texas? It's
kinda true. Yeah, I mean... People in Texas are
super polite, and everyone's got a gun. Yes.
Don't make somebody angry. Don't know what's
going to happen. Yeah, it's not a good move.
Yeah. Piss people off when everybody can have
a gun. You're off to just let that guy get in
your lane. Yeah. Yeah. You know, we've got a
big test site in central Texas near Waco. Oh,
beautiful. Yeah, SpaceX in McGregor. It's about
15 minutes away from Waco. That's close to where
Ted Nugent lives. Shout out to Ted Nuget. Okay,
cool. We have lots of fire and loud explosions
and things and people are cool with it. They
don't give a fuck out there. They're very supportive.
You can buy fireworks where your kids go to school.
It's dangerous. Yeah, but it's free. There's
something about Texas that's very enticing because
of that. It is dangerous, but it's also free.
Right. Yeah. I kind of like Texas, actually.
Well, I prefer it over places that are more restrictive,
but more liberal, because you could always be
liberal. Just because things are free, and just
because you have a certain amount of right -wing
type characters, it doesn't mean you have to
be that way. And honestly, there's a lot of those
people that are pretty fucking open -minded and
let you do whatever you want to do, as long as
you don't bother them. Yeah, exactly. That's
my hope. right now with um the way we're able
to communicate with each other today and how
radically different it is than generations past
is that we all just the dust settles and we all
realize like like what you were saying that most
people are good most people are good the vast
majority yes i think you should get people to
benefit out for sure i think you're right yeah
you know what could help that mushrooms don't
you think they're delicious yeah right yeah they're
good for you too yeah all of them all kinds of
them um what do you see in terms of like when
you think about the future of your companies
what do you see as like bottlenecks what's more
sure thank you What do you see in terms of like
bottlenecks of things that are that are holding
back innovation is it? regulatory commissions
and and people that don't understand the technology
that are Influencing policy like what what what
could potentially be holding you guys back right
now Is there anything that you would change yeah,
that's good question You know, I wish politicians
were better at science. That would help a lot.
That's a problem. Yes. There's no incentive for
them to be good at science. There isn't. Actually,
you know, they're pretty good at science in China,
I have to say. Yeah, the mayor of Beijing is,
I believe, an environmental engineering degree,
and the deputy mayor has a physics degree. I
met them. And the mayor of Shanghai is Really
smart and you're up on technology. What do you
think about this government? policy of stopping
use of Huawei phones and there's there's something
about the the the worry about Spying is I mean
from what I've understand from real tech people
they think it's horseshit. Oh I like phone. I
don't know. I don't know Like the government
say don't you buy Huawei phones? Is that, are
you up on that at all? No? Should we just abandon
this idea? Well, I think, like I guess if you're,
if you're, if you have like top secret stuff,
then you want to be pretty careful about what
hardware you use. But you know, like most people
do not have top secret stuff. Right. And like
nobody really cares what porn you watch, you
know? Right. Or, it's like, nobody actually cares,
you know? And if they do, that's kind of on them.
Like national spy agencies do not care. Do not
give a rat's ass what porn you watch. They do
not care. So what secrets does a national spy
agency have to learn from the average citizen?
Nothing. Well, that's the argument against the
narrative. And the argument by a lot of these
tech people is that the real concern is that
these companies like Huawei are innovating at
a radical pace, and they're trying to stop them
from integrating into our culture and letting
this... Right now, they're the number two cell
phone manufacturer in the world. Samsung's number
one, Huawei is number two, Apple is now number
three. They surpassed Apple as number two. And
the idea is that this is all taking place without
them... Having any foothold whatsoever in America.
There are no there's no carriers that have their
phones You have to buy their phones unlocked
through some sort of a third party and then put
okay So and the worry is you know that these
are somehow or another controlled by the Chinese
government the communist Chinese government is
gonna Distribute these phones, and I don't know
if it's the worries Economic influence that they'll
have too much power. I don't know what it is
Are you paying attention on any of this? Not
really. I don't think we should worry too much
about Huawei phones. Maybe our national security
agencies shouldn't have Huawei phones. Maybe
that's a question mark. But I think for the average
citizen, it doesn't matter. I'm pretty sure the
Chinese government does not care about the goings
on of the average American citizen. Is there
a time where you think that there will be no
security, where it will be impossible to hold
back information, that whatever bottleneck will
let go, we're gonna give in, that whatever bottleneck
between privacy and ultimate innovation will
have to be bridged in order for us to achieve
the next level of technological proficiency,
that we're just gonna abandon it, and there'll
be no security, no privacy. Do people want privacy
because they seem to put everything on the internet
well right now they're confused But when you're
talking about your neural link and this this
idea that one day We are going to be able to
share information and we're gonna be some sort
of a thing that symbiotically create Symbiotically
connect yeah, I think we really need to worry
about security in that situation and when sure
that's like a security reparamount sure yeah
But also we will be is will be so much different
lark our concerns about money about status, about
all these things will seemingly go by the wayside
if we really become enlightened, if we really
become artificially enlightened by some sort
of an AI interface where we have this symbiotic
relationship with some new internet type connection
to information. What happens then? What is important?
What is not important? Is privacy important when
we're all gods? I mean, I think the things that
we Think are important to keep private right
now, right? We probably will not think our shame
right information Right What do you what do you
hide in emotions? What are we hiding? I mean,
I think like I don't know. Maybe it's like embarrassing
stuff embarrassing stuff But there's actually
like I think people there's like not that much
That's kept private that people that is actually
relevant, right? That's people would other people
actually care about I mean think other people
care about it, but they don't really care about
it and certainly governments don't Well, some
people care about it But then it gets weird when
you when it gets exposed like Jennifer Lawrence
when those naked pictures or her got exposed
Like I think in some ways people liked her more
They realize like she's just a person that just
a girl who likes sex and is just alive and has
a boyfriend and sends the messages and now you
get to look into it and you probably shouldn't
have but somebody let it go and they put it online
and all right She seems to be doing okay, she's
a person she's just you and me and it's the same
thing she's just in some weird place where she's
on a 35 foot tall screen with music playing every
time she talks Yeah, I mean, I'm sure she's like
not happy about it, but she's clearly doing fine.
But once this interface is fully realized, where
we really do become something far more powerful
in terms of our cognitive ability or our ability
to understand irrational thoughts and mitigate
them, and that we're all connected in some sort
of an insane way. I mean, what are thoughts on
wealth? our thoughts on social status, like how
many of those just evaporate in our need for
privacy? Maybe our need for privacy will be the
ultimate bottleneck that we'll have to surpass.
I think the things that we think are important
now will probably not be important in the future,
but there will be things that are important.
What will be more important? I don't know, there
might be some war of ideas, potentially. Don't
think Darwin's going away, right? No one's gonna
be there No, no one will be there forever forever.
Yeah, it would just be a different a different
arena Different arena a digital arena different
arena Darwin's not going away What keeps you
up at night Well, it's quite hard to run companies.
Yeah Especially car companies have to say it's
quite challenging the car business is the hardest
one of all the things you do Yes, because it's
a consumer oriented business as opposed to like
SpaceX and Not that SpaceX the SpaceX is no walk
in the park but But a car company. It's very
difficult to keep a car company Alive, it's very
difficult You know, there's only two car companies
the history of American car companies that haven't
gone bankrupt and that's Ford and Tesla That's
it. Yeah, Ford rode out that crazy storm, huh?
They're the only one by the skin of their teeth.
Shout out to the Mustang Yeah, yeah by the skin
of their teeth that is interesting right same
with Tesla we barely survived how close did you
get to folding? Very close we But 2008 is not
a good time to be a car company, especially a
startup car company and especially an electric
car company I was like stupidity squared and
this is when you had those cool Roadsters with
the t -top with the target top Yeah, we had like
a Use a highly modified Elise chassis. The body
was all completely different. Oh, that was a
super dumb strategy that we actually did It was
based on two false premises. One false premise
was that we'd be able to cheaply convert the
Lotus Elise and use that as a car platform and
that we would be able to use technology from
this little company called AC Propulsion for
the electric drivetrain and the battery. Problem
is the AC Propulsion technology did not work
in production and We ended up using none of it
in the long term. None of it. We had to redesign
everything. And then once you add a battery pack
and electric motor to the car, it got heavier.
It got 30 % heavier. It invalidated the entire
structure, all the crash structure. Everything
had to be redone. Nothing. I think it had less
than 7 % of the parts were common with any other
device, including cars or anything. Less than
7 %? Yes. Everything. including tires and wheels,
bolts, brakes. Steering wheel. The steering wheel
was, I think the steering wheel was almost the
same. Yes, the windscreen. Different. No, I think
the windscreen is the same. Same. Yes, I think
we were able to keep the windscreen. Less than
7%. So that's basically... Every body panel was
different. The entire structure was different.
We couldn't use the HVAC system, the air conditioner.
It was a belt -driven air conditioner. So now
we needed something that was electrically driven.
We needed a new AC compressor. And all that takes
away from the battery life as well, right? Yeah,
we needed a small, highly efficient air conditioning
system that fit in a tiny car and was electrically
powered, not belt -driven. It was very difficult.
How much did those weigh? Those cars the roadster.
I think it was about 2 ,700 pounds. It's still
very sound dependent which version 2650 to 2750
pounds something like that and What was the weight
distribution? It was about 50 well, they were
different versions of the car so is about 55
on the rear It was rear bias right but not bad
like considering like a 9 -eleven which is like
one of the most popular sports cards of all time
Heavy rear end bias. Well, I mean Yeah, the 9
-eleven like the joke is like the magistrate
Despite Newton not being on their side. Yeah,
if you're fighting Newton, it's very difficult
Well, it's like you've got this the moments of
inertia on a 9 -eleven don't make any sense.
They do once you understand them Once you understand
you don't want to hang the engine off the ass.
This is not a wise move You don't want to let
up on the gas when you're in a corner The problem
with it with a with with something that's where
the engine is mounted over the rear axle or off
the rear axle towards the rear So you pull a
moment of inertia is fundamentally screwed. You
cannot solve this it's unsolvable You're screwed
pull a moment inertia is you're screwed Right
like essentially if you spawn the car like a
top That's your pole moment of inertia you're
just I Promise they wouldn't swear on this show
by the way really who? So it's my friend tell
that friend to go fuck himself who told you not
to swear a friend Not a good friend. Yes Realize
you're fucking Elon Musk do whatever you want,
man If you ever get confused, call me. I'll swear
in private. Swear up a storm. Just say fricking.
It's a fun way. There's like old house moms.
Wives and shit that have children. Oh, yes, fricking
thing. Yeah. But anyway, like the Porsche, it's
kind of incredible how well Porsche handles,
given that it's the physics. Yes. The moments
of inertia are so messed up. to actually still
make it work well is incredible. Well, if you
know how to turn into the corner, once you get
used to the feeling of it, there's actual benefits
to it. You know, there are some benefits. The
car I had before Tesla was a 911. Oh, okay. 997
or 6? Yeah. 997? Yeah. Yeah. Great car, man Yeah,
I mean particularly what on the Porsche ever
when they had the variable veins the turbo and
you didn't have the turbo lag That was great.
Yeah, that was really great. The turbo lag was
is like, you know if you floor it Like phone
home call your mom the older like about an hour
later the car accelerates and Super dangerous
too because in the real wheels start spinning.
Yeah. Yeah, there's something fun about it though
Like feeling that rear weight kicking around
You know, and again, it's not efficient. It had
a good feel to it. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. But that's
what I was talking about earlier about that little
car that I have, the 93, 911. It's not fast.
It's not the best handling car. But it's more
satisfying than any other car I have, because
it's so mechanical. It's like everything about
it, like. crackles and bumps and it gives you
all this feedback and I take it to the comedy
store because when I get there I feel like my
brain is just popping and it's on fire. It's
like a strategy for me now that I really stop
driving other cars there. I drive that car there
just for the brain juice, just for the interaction.
I mean you should try model SP100D. I'll try.
It'll blow your mind out of your skull. Okay.
Yeah. Tell me what to order. I'll order it. Model
SP100D. Okay. Jamie, right down. That's the car
that I drive. Okay. Okay, I'll get with the car
you drive. Okay. It will blow your mind out of
your skull. I believe you. How far can I drive?
About 300 miles. That's good. For LA regular
days. You'll never notice the battery. Never.
Never. How hard is it to get like one of them
crazy plugs installed in your house? That difficult?
No, it's super easy. It's like... Yeah, it's
like a dryer plug. It's like a dryer outlet.
Didn't you come up with some crazy tiles for
your roof that are solar paneled? Yeah, yeah,
we're having on my roof right now. Actually,
I'm just trying it out. It's like it's the thing.
It takes a while to test roof stuff because roofs
have to last a long time. So like you want your
roof to last like 30 years over a regular roof.
Now, so there's two versions is like the solar
panels you put on a roof. So it depends on whether
your roof's new or old. So if your roof's new,
you don't want to replace the roof. You want
to put solar panels on the roof. So that's like
retrofit. And then we're trying to make the retrofit
panels look real nice. But then the new product
we're coming out with is if you have a roof that's
either you're building a house or you're going
to replace your roof anyway, then you make the
tiles have solar cells embedded in the tiles.
And then it's quite a tricky thing because you
want to not see the solar cell behind the glass
tile so you have to really work with the glass
and the various coatings and layers so that you
don't see the solar cell behind the glass. Otherwise
it doesn't look right. Right. So it's really
tricky. There it is. Jamie put it up there. Yeah.
Damn, that looks good. See, if you look closely,
you can see if you zoom in, you can see the cell.
But if you zoom out, you don't see the cell.
Right. Well, it looks cool, though. That's hard.
That's really hard. Because you have to have
sunlight go through. Right. But when it gets
reflected back out, it hides the fact that there's
a cell there. Now, are those available to the
consumer right now? Well, we have, I think...
Those on that roof right there? Yes. That's amazing.
Oh, that looks good. Yeah. Oh, I like that one's
hard. Oh, so you get that kind of fake Spanish
looking thing. I like that French light. That's
white people in Connecticut smoking pipes. Look
at that one. Yeah. That's badass, dude. So those
will actually work. I believe you. So the solar
panels that are on that house that we just looked
at, is that sufficient to power the entire home?
It depends on your energy on how efficient. Yeah,
yeah, so Generally, yes, I would say it's probably
for most it's gonna vary but anywhere from more
than you need to Maybe half like call it half
to 1 .5 of the energy that you need Depending
on how much roof you have relative to living
space and how ridiculous you are with the TV
TV is no problem. Air conditioning is the problem.
If you have an efficient air conditioner, and
depending on how, are you air conditioning rooms
when they don't need to be air conditioned, which
is very common because it's a pain in the neck.
It's like programming a VCR. Right, you know,
it's just the blinking 12. So people just like
the hell with that I'm just gonna make it this
temperature all day long, right? I don't have
a smart home where if you're in the room, then
it stays cool, right? Yeah, it should predict
when you're gonna be home And then cool the room
the rooms that you're likely to use With a little
bit of intelligence. We're not talking about
like genius home here. We're just talking like
elementary basic stuff You know like if you could
hook that into the car like news you're coming
home like there's no point in pulling the home
Right in the comb keeping the whole the home
really cool when you're not there, but I can
tell it you're coming home It's gonna cool it
to the right temperature right you have an app
there that works with your solar panels or anything
like that Yeah, yeah, we do and we need to hook
it into the air conditioning to really make the
air conditioning work Have you thought about
creating an air conditioning system? I know you
have Trick question I Cannot answer questions
about future potential. Okay, let's just let
it go. We'll move on to the next thing. That
would be an interesting idea Yeah, I would say
radiant heating all that good ideas now when
you when you think about the efficiency of these
homes and you think about implementing solar
power and battery power and is there anything
else that people are missing is there any other
like I just saw a smart watch that is powered
by the heat of the human body. It's some new
technology. It's able to fully power that way?
I don't know if it's fully or if it's... Like
this watch right here, this is a Casio. It's
called a Pro -Tech and it's like an outdoors
watch and it's solar powered. And so it has the
ability to operate for a certain amount of time
on solar. So if you have it exposed, it could...
function for a certain amount of time on solar.
Yeah, well, you know, like there's the self -winding
watches where it's just got a weight in the watch,
and as you move your wrist, the weight moves
from one side to the other, and it winds the
watch up. That's a pretty cool thing. Yeah, yeah.
Well, it's amazing that, like, Rolex is, that
it's all done mechanically. There's no batteries
in there. There's no nothing. Yeah, you could
do the same thing and create a little charger
that's based on wrist movement. It really depends
on how much energy your watch uses. You know
what's fucked up about that, though? We accept
a certain amount of like fuckery with those watches.
Like I brought my watch, I have a Rolex that
my friend Lorenzo gave me, and I brought it to
the watch store, and I said, this thing's always
fast. I said, it's always like, after a couple
months, it's like five minutes fast. And they
go, yep. They go, yeah. Really? It's just what
it does. And I go, hold on. I go, so you're telling
me that it just is always gonna be fast? They's
like, yeah. It's just like every few months you
gotta like reset it. It seems like they should
recalibrate that thing. They can't. They tried.
They say every few months, whether it's four
months or five months or six months, it's gonna
be a couple minutes fast. Okay, it seems like
they should really recalibrate that because if
it's always fast, you can just delete those minutes.
You need to fucking kick down the door at Rolex
and go, you bitches are lazy. It's kind of amazing
that you can keep time mechanically on a wristwatch.
With these tiny little gears. It's amazing. Yeah.
I mean the whole luxury watch market is fascinating.
I'm not that involved in terms like I don't buy
them. I've bought them as gifts. I don't buy
them for myself. But when I look at them online
with this million dollar watches out there now
that are like they have like little rotating
moons and stars and they live like look at this
thing. How much is that one Jamie? These are
fucking preposterous. I like gears. I love them
Yeah, I think they're beautiful, but there's
some of these people that are just taking it
right in the ass They're buying these watches
for like seven hundred fifty thousand dollars
Mike. Yo, that's a timex son Nobody knows it's
not any better than some Casio that you could
just buy online like look at that though Well,
here's the thing if you're a person that doesn't
just want to know the time you want craftsmanship
You want some artisan's touch. You want innovation
in terms of like a person figuring out how gears
and cogs all line up perfectly to every time
it turns over, it's basically a second. I mean,
that's just, there's art to that. Yeah, I agree.
It's not just telling time. Like this watch a
lot, but if it got hit by a rock, I wouldn't
be sad. Yeah, it's just a watch It's a it's a
mass -produced thing that runs on some quartz
battery, but those things That's there's art.
Yeah. No, I agree It's beautiful. Yeah. Yeah,
love it. Yeah, there's something something amazing
about it It's a because it represents the human
creativity. It's not just it's not just electronic
Innovation there's something there's there's
a person's Work in that yes You don't have a
watch on No ever I used to have a watch what
happened Mike My phone tells the time so point
What if you lose your phone? Do you wait hold
on true? Let me guess you are a no -case guy
That's correct Living on the edge I'm the edge
without a case. Neil deGrasse Tyson. Neil deGrasse
Tyson was in here last week. I marveled at his
ability to get through life without a case. That's
right. You know, he takes his phone and he flips
it in between his fingers like a soldier would
do with his rifle. Really? He just rolls that
shit in between his fingers. Okay. Marvelous.
Wow. He says that's the reason why they do it.
He said, when you look at someone who has a rifle,
why would they do that? Why would they flip it
around like that? Right so that when? It goes
to drop they have it in their hand they catch
it quickly so yeah, it does with his phone He's
just flipping his phone around all the time.
I got that in Mexico. I was hoping it holds joints
Does it do anything it seems to open? It's just
a whole good storage storage in there, but like
Try to put a joint in there close it you put
like one one blunt One but it seems pretentious
You know, that's the idea behind it. I bought
it when I was in Mexico because I figured it
would be a good size to hold joints. So is that
a joint? Or is it a cigar? No. Okay. It's marijuana
inside of tobacco. Okay. So it's like posh tobacco
posh. You ever had that? Yeah, I think I tried
one once. Come on. You probably can't because
stockholders, right? I Mean it's legal, right?
It's totally legal. Okay, how does that work?
Did people get upset at you if you do certain
things? Tobacco and marijuana in there. That's
all it is The combination of tobacco and marijuana
is wonderful first turned on to it by Charlie
Murphy and then reignited by Dave Chappelle Plus
whiskey ha ha exactly perfect balances it out
alcohol is a drug that's been grandfathered in
Well, it's not just a drug. It's a drug that
gets a bad rap because you just have a little
it's great Fine yeah a little sip here and there
and you just see your inhibitions are relaxed
and it shows your true self and hopefully you're
more joyous and friendly and happy and and everything's
good the real worry is the people that can't
handle it, like the real worry about people who
can't handle cars that can go 0 to 60 in 1 .9
seconds or anything. Have you ever considered
something that, like, imagine if one day everyone
has a car that's on the same, at least, technological
standard as one of your cars. And everyone agrees
that the smart thing to do is not just to have
bumpers, but to perhaps have some sort of a magnetic
repellent device. something some electromagnetic
field around the cars and as cars come close
to each other they automatically radically decelerate
because of Magnets or something Well, I mean
our cars break automatically break. Yeah. Yeah
when they see things. Yes, but like a physical
barrier like Well, the wheels work pretty well
wheels. Yeah, they were pretty well decelerated
as you know 1 .1 to 1 .2 G's that kind of thing.
Is there a concern that one day all your cars
will be on the road and then there'll still be
regular people with regular cars 20, 30 years
from now that'll get in the mix and be the main
problem? Yeah, I think it'd be sort of like,
you know, it was a time of transition where there
were horses and gasoline cars on the road at
the same time. It's been pretty weird. That'd
be the weirdest. Yeah. Horses were tricky, you
know back in Manhattan had like 300 ,000 horses
you figure like Low horse lives 15 years got
20 ,000 horses but dropping dead every day or
every year I should say every year is 20 ,000
horses if this 300 ,000 horses and 15 year lifespan
back in the gangs in New York days that movie
Yeah, it's a lot of dead horses, and then you
need a horse to move the horse Right, and they'll
probably get pretty freaked out if they have
to move our dead horse. You think they know what's
going on? Yeah, I mean it's gotta be like pretty
weird No, I would imagine why am I dragging this
dead, you know horse around and I'm a horse Do
you ever stop and think about your role in civilization?
Do you ever stop and think about your role in
the culture because me as a person who never
met you until today When I think of you, you
know, I've always thought of you as being this
Weirdo super inventor dude who just somehow or
another keeps coming up with new shit But there's
not a lot of you out there like everybody else
seems to be I mean Obviously you make a lot of
money, and there's a lot of people that make
a lot of money. You like that clock Yeah, pretty
dope right. This is a great clock. Yeah, you
want one. I'll get you one sure okay done I like
weird things like this. Oh, this is the coolest.
It's TGT promotion. What is this TGT studios
TGT studios Yeah To a gentleman who makes all
this by hand Yeah, it's really cool. My study
is filled with weird devices Well get ready for
another one. All right, I'm sending it your way.
Well, you want a werewolf to hook you up All
right I'll take one one a werewolf and one clock
coming up Do you think about your role in the
culture because me as a person never met you
until today? I've always looked at you and like
wow like How does this guy just keep inventing
shit? Like how do you, how do you keep coming
up with all these new devices and what do you
ever consider how on you, like I had a dream
once that there was a million Teslas instead
of like one Tesla, there was a million Teslas.
Not Chesley the car, but Nikola. Oh yeah, sure.
And that in his day, there was a million people
like him who were radically innovative. It was
a weird dream, man. It was so strange. And I've
had it more than once. That would result in very
rapid technology innovation, that's for sure.
It's one of the only dreams in my life I've had
more than one time. Okay. Like where I've woken
up and it's in the same dream. I'm in the same
dream. And in this dream, it's 1940s, 1950s.
But everyone is severely advanced. There's flying
blimps with like LCD screens on the side of them
and everything's bizarre and strange. It's stuck
with me for whatever it obviously is just a stupid
dream But for whatever reason all these years
that stuck with me like it takes one man like
Nikola Tesla To have more than a hundred inventions
that were patents, right? I mean he had some
pretty great pretty fucking amazing Ideas. Yes,
but there was a way in his day. There was very
few people like him. Yeah, that's true What if
there was a million? Like what? Things would
advance very quickly. Right. But there's not
a million Elon Musk's. There's one motherfucker.
Do you think about that? Or you just try to not?
Hmm. I don't think you'd necessarily want to
be me. Well. What's the worst part about you
people would like it that much well most people
wouldn't but they can't be you So that's like
That's like some superhero type shit You know
you wouldn't want to be spider -man rather just
sleep tight in Gotham City. I hope he's out there
doing his job It's very hard to turn it off.
Yeah What's the hardest part might sound great
if it's turned on, but what if it doesn't turn
off? Now I showed you the isolation tank and
you've never experienced that before Yeah, I
think that could help you turn it off a little
bit just for the night Yeah, just give you a
little bit of sleep a little bit of perspective
It's magnesium that you get from the water as
well. That makes you makes you sleep easier because
the water has epsom salts in it but maybe some
sort of strategy for sacrificing your biological
not sacrificing but enhancing your biological
recovery time by Figuring out a way whether it's
through meditation or some other ways to shut
off that that thing at night Like you must have
like a constant stream of ideas. It's running
through your head all the time You're getting
text messages from chicks no I'm getting text
messages from friends saying what the hell are
you doing smoking weed? Is that bad for you?
It's legal I mean, it's not, you know, I'm not
a regular smoker of weed. How often do you smoke
it? Almost never. I mean, I don't actually notice
any effect. Well, there you go. There was a time
where I think it was Ram Dass or someone gave
some Buddhist monk a bunch of acid. Okay. And
he ate it and it had no effect on him. I doubt
that. I would say that too, but I've never meditated
to the level that some of these people have where
they're constantly meditating all day. They don't
have any material possessions and all of their
energy is spent trying to achieve a certain mindset.
I would like to cynically deny that. I'd like
to cynically say they just fucking think the
same way I do. They just hang out with flip -flops
on and make weird noises, but maybe no. I know
a lot of people like weed and that's fine. But
I don't find that it is very good for productivity.
For you? Not for me. Yeah, I would imagine that
for someone like you it's not. Someone like you,
it would be more like a cup of coffee, right?
You have a latte. Yeah, it's more like the opposite
of a cup of coffee. It's like a cup of coffee
in reverse. Oh, weed is? No, I'm saying you would
like more. more like what would be beneficial
to you would be like coffee. I like to get things
done. I like to be useful. That is one of the
hardest things to do is to be useful. When you
say you like to get things done, like in terms
of like what gives you satisfaction when you
complete a project, when something that you invent
comes to fruition and you see people enjoying
it, that feeling. Yes, doing something useful
for other people that I like doing. That's interesting
for other people Yes So that do you think that
that is maybe the way you recognize that you
have this unusual position in the culture where
you can uniquely influence certain things because
of this I mean you essentially have a gift, right?
I mean You would think it was a curse, but I'm
sure it's been fueled by many many years of discipline
and learning but you essentially have a gift
and that you have this radical sort of creativity
engine when it comes to innovation and technology
it's like you're just you're going at a very
high rpms all the time what is that like doesn't
stop i don't know what would happen if i got
into a sensory deprivation tank let's try it
sounds concerning it's like running the engine
with no resistance Is that what it is though?
Maybe it's not. Maybe it's fine. I don't know.
I'll try it. I'll try it. Have you ever experimented
with meditation or anything? Yes. What do you
do? Or what have you done rather? I mean just
sort of sit there and be quiet and then repeat
some mantra which acts as a focal point. It's
still the mind. I just stole the mind. But I
don't find myself drawn to it frequently. Do
you think that perhaps productivity is maybe
more attractive to you than enlightenment? Or
even the concept of whatever enlightenment means?
Like what are you trying to achieve when you're
meditating all the time? With you it seems like
almost like there's a franticness. To your creativity
that comes out of this this burning furnace and
for in order for you to like calm that thing
down You gotta throw you might have to throw
too much water on it It's like a never -ending
explosion Like what is it like I try to explain
it to a dumb person like me What's going on never
-ending explosion, it's just constant ideas just
bouncing around yes Damn, yeah, so when everybody
leaves, it's just Elon sitting at home brushing
his teeth Just a bunch ideas bouncing around
your head. Yeah who all time When did you realize
that that's not the case with most people I Think
when I was I don't know five or six or something.
I thought I was insane Why did you think you
were insane Because it was clear that other people
do not Would their mind wasn't exploding with
ideas all the time they weren't expressing it
They weren't talking about it all and you realize
by the time you were five or six like oh They're
probably not even getting this thing that I'm
getting No, it was just strange it was like Hmm
and strange That was my conclusion and strange,
but did you feel Diminished by it in any way
like knowing that this is a weird thing that
you really probably couldn't commiserate with
with other people They would they wouldn't understand
you. I hope they wouldn't find out because they
might like put me away with something You thought
that for a second. Yes, when you were little.
I know they put people away What if they put
me away like when you were little you thought
this yes Wow Like you thought this is so radically
different than the people that are around me
if they find out I got this stream coming in
Yeah Wow But you know, I was only like five or
six Do you think this is like I mean there's
there's outliers biologically You mean there's
people that are seven foot nine there's people
of giant hands as people that have eyes that
are 2015 vision There's always outliers Do you
feel like you like caught this like you have
got some You're like on some weird Innovation
Creativity sort of wave that's very unusual Like
you put you tapped into I mean just think of
the various things you've been able to accomplish
in a very short amount of time and You're constantly
doing this. That's a weird. You're a weird person,
right? I agree. Yeah Like what if there's a million
Elon Musk's? Well, that would be very very weird
Whoo, yeah, it'd be pretty weird like right real
weird definitely Yeah, what if they're a million
showrockets I Mean I think that's the case with
a lot of folks yeah, I mean But like, you know,
my goal is like try to do useful things Try to
maximize the probability the future is good Make
the future exciting something you look forward
to, you know, you know with You know with Tesla
we're like trying to make things that people
love, you know, it's like not Like how many how
many things can you buy that you really love
that? Really give you joy So rare so rare I wish
there were more things That's what we're trying
to just make things that somebody loves When
you when you think about making things that someone
loves like do you specifically think about like
what things would improve people's experience?
Like what what would change the way people interface
with life that would make them more relaxed or
more happy? You really think Like when you're
thinking about things like that is that like
one of your considerations like what what could
I do that would help people? Yeah, maybe they
wouldn't be able to figure out Yeah, like like
what are the set of things that can be done to
make the future better like You know like so
I think that a future where we are a space -faring
civilization and out there among the stars This
is very exciting. This makes me look forward
to the future This makes me want that future.
You know, there are things, there need to be
things that make you look forward to waking up
in the morning. You wake up in the morning, you
look forward to the day, look forward to the
future. A future where we are a space -faring
civilization and out there among the stars, I
think that's very exciting. That is a thing we
want. Whereas if... If you knew we would not
be a space -faring civilization but forever confined
to Earth, this would not be a good future. That
would be very sad, I think. We don't want the
sad future. It would be sad in terms of just
the finite lifespan of the Earth itself and the
solar system itself. That even though it's possibly,
you know, I mean how many, how long do they feel
like this Sun and the solar system is going to
exist? How many hundreds of millions of years?
Well, it's probably... If you're saying, when
does the sun boil the oceans? Right. About 500
million years. So, is it sad that we never leave
because in 500 million years that happens? Is
that what you're saying? No, I just think, like,
if there are two futurists and one futurist,
we're out there among the stars and the things
we read about and see in science fiction movies,
the good ones, are true. We have these starships
and we're... We're going to see what other planets
are like and we're a multi -planet species and
the scope and scale of consciousness is expanded
across many civilizations and many planets and
many star systems. This is a great future. This
is a wonderful thing to me and that's what we
should strive for. But that's biological travel.
That's cells. Travelling physically to another
location. Yes Do you think that's definitely
where we're going no, yeah, I don't think so
either I used to think so and Now I'm thinking
more likely less Than ever like Almost every
day less likely we can definitely go to the moon
and Mars Yeah, I think we'll go to the asteroid
belt and we can go to the moons of Jupiter Saturn,
you can even get to Pluto. That would be the
craziest place ever if we colonized Mars and
re -terraformed it and turned it into like a
big Jamaica. I think we should. That would be
great. It's possible, right? We could turn the
whole thing into Cancun. I mean, over time. It
wouldn't be easy, but yes. You could just warm
it up. Yeah, you could warm it up, you could
add air, you could get some water there. I mean,
over time, hundreds of millions of years or whatever
it takes. We could be a multi -planet species.
That would be amazing. We could be a multi -planet
species. That's what we want to be. Legitimately
like air -conditioned Saturn. I'm pro -human.
Me too. Yeah, me too. I love humanity. I think
it's great. We're glad, as a robot, that you
love... humans, because we love you too, and
we don't want you to kill us and eat us. I mean,
you know, strangely I think a lot of people don't
like humanity and see it as a blight, but I do
not. Well, I think one of those, I think part
of that is just they've been, you know, they've
been struggling. When people struggle, they associate
their struggle with other people. They never
internalize their problems, they look to other
people as holding them back, and people suck
and fuck people, and it's just, you know, it's
a never ending cycle. But not always again most
people Are really good most people vast majority
this may sound corny. It does sound corny, but
love is the answer It is the answer. Yep Yeah,
it is. It sounds corny because we're all scared.
You know, we're all scared of trying to love
people being rejected or Someone taking advantage
of you because you're trying to be loving sure,
but if we all could just relax and love each
other. Wouldn't hurt to have more love in the
world. It definitely wouldn't hurt. Yeah. It'd
be great. Yeah. We should do that. Yeah. I agree,
man. Really? How do you fix that? You have a
love machine you're working on? No, but probably
spend more time with your friends and less time
on social media. Now, deleting social media from
your applications, from your phones. Does that
give you ten percent boost to happiness was the
we think the percentages I? Think probably something
like that. Yeah, all right good ten percent.
Yeah, I mean I Mean the only thing I've kept
is Twitter because I kind of like need some means
of getting a message out. You know right That's
about it So far so good Well, what's interesting
with you you you actually occasionally engage
with people on Twitter Yeah, it's what percentage
of that is a good idea It's hard it's mostly
I think it's on balance more good than bad, but
there's definitely some bad so Hopefully the
good outweighs the bad. Do you ever think about
how odd it is, the weird feeling that you get
when someone says something shitty to you on
Twitter and you read it? The weird feeling? This
weird little negative jolt. It's like a subjective
negative jolt of energy that you don't really
need to absorb, but you do anyway. Like, well,
fuck this guy. Fuck him. Mean there's a lot of
negativity on Twitter it is but it's a weird
It's in its form like the way if you ingest it
as if you're like you try to be like a little
scientist as you're ingesting it You're like,
well, how weird is this and I'm even getting
upset at some strange person saying something
mean to me It's not even accurate. I Mean the
vast number of negative comments The vast for
the vast majority of I just ignore them the vast
majority. Yeah, but every now and again you're
drawn in It's not good. It's not good make mistakes.
Yes, you can make mistakes make some mistakes
We're all human we can make mistakes. Yeah It's
hard and people love it when you say something
and you take it back and they're like fuck you.
We saved it forever Fucking screenshot that shit
bitch. You had that thought you had that thought
They're like, well, I deleted it. Not good enough.
You had the thought. I'm better than you. I never
had that thought. You had that thought, you piece
of shit. Look, I saved it. I put it on my blog.
Yeah, I'm not sure why people think that anyone
would think that deleting a tweet makes it go
away. It's like, hello, been on the internet
for a while. Yeah. Well, it's even like, the
thing is they don't want you to be able to delete
it. Because the problem is, if you don't delete
it and you don't believe it anymore, it's really
hard to say, hey, that thing above, I don't really
believe that anymore. I changed the way I view
things. Because people go, well, fuck you. I
have that over there. I'm going to just take
that. I'm not going to pay attention to that
shit you wrote underneath it. It's on your permanent
record. Forever, bro. Like a tattoo. We'll put
this on your permanent record. Yeah. It's like
a tattoo. You keep it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well,
it's it's this thing where there's it's it's
a there's a lack of compassion It's a lack of
compassion issue people just like intentionally
shitty to each other all the time online and
trying to catch me It's they're more trying to
catch people doing something that's arrestable
like a cop trying to like get you know Arrest
son is his record. It's like they're trying to
catch you Something more than they're logically
looking at it thinking it's a bad thing that
you've done or that it's an idea They don't agree
with so much. They need to insult you trying
to catch you Yeah, I mean it's way easier to
be mean on social media than it is to be mean
in person. Yes way easier Yeah, yes, it's weird.
It's not a normal way of human interacting. It's
cheating We're not supposed to be able to interact
so easily but people are not looking at yes You
would never do that. You'd never be so mean to
someone who's looking in their eyes, and if you
did, you'd feel like shit. Most people. Yeah,
unless you're a sociopath, you'd feel terrible.
Yes. Elon Musk. This has been a pleasure. Yeah,
likewise. It really has been. It's been an honor.
Thank you for having me. Thanks for doing this,
because I know you don't do a lot of long -form
stuff like this. I hope I didn't weird you out,
and I hope you don't get mad that you smoke weed.
Bad it's legal. We're in California. This is
just as legal as this whiskey. We've been drinking
Exactly. This is all good. All right. Cheers.
Thank you Is there any message you would like
to put out other than love is the answer because
I think you really nailed it with that No, I
think you know, I think people should be nicer
to each other and give people and give give more
credit to others and Don't assume that they're
mean until You know they're actually mean. It's
easy to demonize people. You're usually wrong
about it. People are nicer than you think. Give
people more credit. I couldn't agree more, and
I want to thank you not just for all the crazy
innovations you've come up with and your constant
flow of ideas, but that you choose to spread
that idea. which is, it's very vulnerable, but
it's very honest, and it resonates with me, and
I believe it. I believe it's true, too. So thank
you. You're welcome. And all you assholes out
there, be nice. Be nice, bitch. All right. Thank
you, everybody. Thank you, Elon. All right. Thank
you. Good night, everybody.