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Welcome to this curated educational transcript of the Joe Rogan Experience. In this session, we examine the critical perspectives and historical dialogues presented in Episode #[Número del Episodio]. Our goal is to provide a searchable, high-fidelity research resource for students of cultural history, technology, and global discourse. This transcript has been optimized for academic reference and archival preservation regarding
Ha ha ha Four three two one Boom, thank you.

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Thanks for doing this man. Really appreciate

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it. You're welcome. Very good to meet you. That's

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nice to meet you, too Thanks for not lighting

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this place on fire. You're welcome That's coming

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later. How does one just in the middle of doing

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all the things you do create cars Rockets all

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this stuff you're doing constantly innovating

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decide to just make a flamethrower. Where do

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you have the time for that? Well the family wouldn't

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put a lot of time into the flamethrower this

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was an off -the -cuff thing and So I sort of

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like it's sort of a sort of a hobby company called

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the boring company which Started out as a joke

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And we decided to make it real and and dig a

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tunnel under LA and then dig then people other

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people asked us to dig tunnels and so we Said

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yes in a few cases No, and then and then we have

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a merchandise section that only has one piece

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of merchandise at a time and we started off with

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a cap and there was only one thing on it was

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just Boring company comm slash cap or hat. That's

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it And then we sold the hats limited limited

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edition. It just said the boring company and

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then I'm big fan of space balls the movie and

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in space balls yogurt goes through the merchandising

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section and They have a flamethrower in the merchandising

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section of spaceballs And it like the kids love

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that one That's the line When he pulls out the

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plane there was like we should do a flamethrower

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so we Does anybody tell you no does anybody go

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Elon? Maybe for yourself, but selling a flamethrower

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the liabilities all the people you're selling

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this device to what kind of unhinged People are

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gonna be buying a flamethrower in the first place.

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Do we really want to connect ourselves to all

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these potential arsonists? Yeah, it's a terrible

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idea I said don't buy this flamethrower. Don't

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buy it. Don't buy it. That's what I said But

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still people bought it. Yeah, there's nothing

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I can do to stop them. It's I said don't buy

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it. It's a bad idea How many did you make you

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it's dangerous? It's got it's wrong Don't buy

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it It's still people bought it. I can't just

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couldn't stop them. How many did you make? 20

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,000 And they're all gone in three I think four

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days they sold out in four days are you gonna

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do a Another run no, no, it's it. Yes. Oh, I

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said we would do 20 that we did 50 ,000 50 ,000

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hats at and and That was a million dollars and

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they're like, okay Well, we'll sell something

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and for 10 million and that was 20 ,000 flamethrowers

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at $500 each They went fast How do you have the

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time to do that though? I mean, I understand

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that it's not a big deal in terms of all the

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other things that you do, but how do you have

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time to do anything? I just I don't understand

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your time management skills. I mean, I didn't

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spend much time on this flamethrower. I mean,

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to be totally frank, it's actually just a roofing

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torch with an air rifle cover. It's not a real

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flamethrower. Which is why it says not a flamethrower.

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That's why we were very clear. This is not actually

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a flamethrower. And also we're told that various

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countries would ban shipping of it. They would

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ban flamethrowers. So to solve this problem for

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all the customs agencies, we labeled it not a

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flamethrower. Did it work? Is it effective? I

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don't know. I think so. Yes. So far? Yes. Because

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they said you cannot strip a flamethrower. But

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you do so many different things. Forget about

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the flamethrower. How do you do all that? other

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shit like how do you how do you how does one

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decide to fix LA traffic by drilling holes in

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the ground and who do you even approach with

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that like when you have this idea who do you

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talk to about that I mean I'm not saying it's

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gonna be successful or sorry you know I know

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it's like asserting that's gonna be successful

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but so far I've lived in LA for 16 years and

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the traffic has always been terrible and so I

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don't see any other like ideas for improving

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the traffic. So in desperation, we're going to

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dig a tunnel. And maybe that tunnel will be successful.

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And maybe it won't. I'm listening. Yeah. I'm

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not trying to convince you it's gonna work. And

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are the people that you're anyone, but you're

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you're starting this though, this is actually

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a project you're starting to implement, right?

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Yeah, no, we've we've dug about a mile. It's

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quite long. It takes a long time to walk it.

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Yeah. Now, when you're doing this, what is the

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ultimate plan? The ultimate plan is to have these

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in major cities and anywhere there's mass congestion

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and just try it out in LA first? Yeah, it's in

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LA because I mostly live in LA. That's the reason.

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It's a terrible place to dig tunnels. This is

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one of the worst places to dig tunnels because

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mostly because of the paperwork. People think

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it's like, what about seismic? It's like, actually,

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The tunnels are very safe in earthquakes. Why

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is that? Earthquakes are essentially a surface

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phenomenon. It's like waves on the ocean. So

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if there's a storm, you want to be in a submarine.

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So being in a tunnel is like being in a submarine.

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Now the way the tunnel is constructed is it's

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constructed out of these interlocking segments,

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kind of like a snake. It's sort of like a snake

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exoskeleton. with double seals. And so, even

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when the ground moves, the tunnel actually is

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able to shift along with the ground, like an

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underground snake. And it doesn't crack or break,

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and it's extremely unlikely that both seals would

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be broken. And it's capable of taking five atmospheres

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of pressure. It's waterproof, methane -proof,

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or gas -proof of any kind. and meets all California

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seismic requirements. So when you have this idea,

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who do you bring this to? I'm not sure what you

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mean by that. Well, you're implementing it, so

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you're digging holes in the ground. You have

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to bring it to someone that lets you do it. Yeah,

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so... There were some engineers from SpaceX who

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thought it would be cool to do this, and the

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guy who runs it, like... day -to -day Steve Davis.

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He's a longtime SpaceX engineer. He's great.

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So Steve was like, I'd like to help make this

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happen. I was like, cool. So we started off with

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digging a hole in the ground. It's got like a

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permit for a pit, a big pit, and just dug a big

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pit. And you have to tell them what the pit's

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for or you just say, hey, we just want to dig

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a hole. Nice, fill out this form. That's it Yeah,

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I was a put in our parking lot and but do you

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have to give them some sort of a blueprint for

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your ultimate idea? And do they have to approve

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it? Like how does that work now? We just started

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off with a pit. Okay, big pit and You know, there's

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not really you know, they're really Care about

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the existential nature of a pit. You just say

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like I don't want a pit, right? Yeah, and It's

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a hole in the ground. So then We got the permit

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for the pit, and we dug the pit. And we dug it

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in like, I don't know, three days, two, three

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days. Actually, I think 48 hours, something like

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that. Because Eric Garcetti was coming by for

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the hype to, he was going to attend the Hyperloop

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competition, which is like a student competition

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we have for who can make the fastest pod in the

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Hyperloop. And he was coming, the finals are

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going to be on Sunday afternoon. So Eric was

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coming by on Sunday afternoon. He was like, you

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know, we should take this pit and then show Eric.

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So this was like Friday morning. And then, yeah,

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so it was about a little over 40 hours later,

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we dug the pit. It was like, we're in 24 straight

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hours, something like that. And dug this big

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pit. And we showed Eric the pit. He's like, obviously,

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it's just a pit. But hey, it's hole in the ground

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is better than no hole in the ground. And what

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do you tell me about this pit? I mean, you just

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say this is the beginning of this idea. Yes.

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We're going to build tunnels under LA to help

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funnel traffic better. And they just go, OK.

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We've joked around about this in the podcast

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before. They're like, what if the person can

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go to the people that run the city and go, hey,

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we're going to dig some holes on the ground and

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put some tunnels in there. And they go, oh, yeah,

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OK. Nothing wrong with a hole in the ground.

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But it's uh people dig holes in the ground all

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the time But but my my question is like I know

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how much time you must be spending on your tesla

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factory I know how much time you must be spending

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on space x and yet you still have time to dig

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holes Under the ground in la and come up with

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these ideas and then implement them like I got

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a million ideas. I'm sure you do. There's no

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shortage of that Yeah, I just don't know how

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you manage your time. I don't understand it.

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It doesn't seem it doesn't even seem humanly

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possible You know, I I do Basically, I think

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people like don't totally understand what I do

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with my time They think like I'm a business guy

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or something like that Like my Wikipedia page

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says business magnate. What would you call yourself?

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a business magnet Can someone please change my

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Wikipedia page to magnet? It's locked so somebody

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has to be able to unlock it and change it to

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magnet. I want to be a magnet No, I do engineering

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and You know and manufacturing and that kind

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of thing that's like 80 % more more of my time

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ideas and then the implementation of those ideas

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That's like hardcore engineering like you know

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designing things you know right Structural mechanical

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electrical software user interface Engineering

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our space engineering, but you must understand.

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There's not a whole lot of human beings like

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you you know that right? So you're an odd it

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seems Yes. To chimps like me. We're all chimps.

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Yeah, we are. We're one notch above a chimp.

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Some of us are a little more confused. When I

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watch you doing all these things, I'm like, how

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does this motherfucker have all this time and

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all this energy and all these ideas and then

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people just let him do these things? Because

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I'm an alien. That's what I've speculated. Yes.

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I'm on record saying this in the past. I wonder.

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It's true if there was one I was like if there

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was like maybe an intelligent being that we created

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You know like some AI creature. That's a superior

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to people Maybe just hang around with us for

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a little while like you've been doing and then

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fix a bunch of shit Maybe that's the way I Might

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have some mutation or something like that you

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might do you think you do probably do you wonder

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like you're around normal people you like hmm

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Like what's up with these boring dumb motherfuckers

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ever Not bad for a human, but I think we'll not

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be able to hold a candle to AI. You scared the

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shit out of me when you talk about AI, between

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you and Sam Harris. I didn't even consider it

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until I had a podcast with Sam once. Sounds great.

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He made me shit my pants. Talking about AI, I

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realized, like, oh, well, this is a genie that

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once it's out of the bottle, you're never getting

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it back in. That's true. There was a video that

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you tweeted about one of those Boston dynamic

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robots, and you know like in the future. It'll

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be Moving so fast you can't see it without a

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strobe light. Yeah, you could probably do that

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right now And no one's really Paying attention

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too much other than people like you or people

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that are really obsessed with technology all

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these things are happening and these robots are

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did you see the one where Peter? Put out a statement

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that you shouldn't kick robots It's probably

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not wise. For retribution. Their memory is very

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good. I bet it's really good. It's really good.

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I bet it is. Yes. And getting better every day.

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It's really good. Are you honestly legitimately

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concerned about this? Is like AI one of your

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main worries in regards to the future? Yes. It's

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less of a worry than it used to be, mostly due

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to Taking more of a fatalistic attitude. Hmm

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So you used to have more hope and You gave up

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some of it and now you don't worry as much about

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AI. You're like this is just what it is Yeah,

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pretty much yes, yes or not it's it's but no

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it's not necessarily bad It's just it's definitely

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gonna be outside of human control Not necessarily

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bad, right? Yes, not it's not necessarily bad.

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It's just It's just outside of human control

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now the thing that's going to be tricky here

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is that It's going to be very tempting to use

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AI as a weapon It's gonna be very tempting. In

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fact, it will be used as a weapon So the the

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honor the honor ramp to serious AI The danger

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is gonna be more Humans using it against each

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other. I think most likely That'll be the danger

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Yeah, how far do you think we are from something

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that can make its own mind up whether or not

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something's ethically or morally correct or whether

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or not it wants to do something or whether or

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not it wants to improve itself or whether or

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not it wants to protect itself from people or

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from other AI how far away we some from something

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that's really truly sentient Well, I mean you

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could argue that any group of people Like it

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like a company is essentially a cybernetic collective

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of people and machines That's what a company

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is And then there are different There's different

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levels of complexity in the way these companies

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are formed and then there are sort of There's

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this sort of like a collective AI in the Google

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search, Google search, where we're all sort of

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plugged in as nodes on the network, like leaves

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on a big tree. And we're all feeding this network

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with our questions and answers. We're all collectively

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programming the AI. And Google plus all the humans

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that connect to it are one giant cybernetic collective.

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This is also true of Facebook and Twitter and

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Instagram and all these social networks. They're

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giant cybernetic collectives. Humans and electronics

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all interfacing and constantly now, constantly

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connected. Yes. Constantly. One of the things

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that I've been thinking about a lot over the

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last few years is that one of the things that

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drives a lot of people crazy is how many people

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are obsessed with materialism and getting the

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latest, greatest thing. And I wonder how much

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of that is, well, a lot of it is most certainly

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fueling technology and innovation. And it almost

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seems like it's built into us. It's like what

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we like and what we want, that we're fueling

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this thing that's constantly around us all the

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time. It doesn't seem possible that people are

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going to pump the brakes. It doesn't seem possible

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at this stage where we're constantly expecting

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the newest cell phone, the latest Tesla update,

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the newest MacBook Pro. Everything has to be

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newer and better. And that's going to lead to

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some incredible point. And it seems like it's

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built into us. It almost seems like it's an instinct

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that we're working towards this, that we like

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it. Our job, just like the ants build the ant

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hill, our job is to somehow fuel this. Yes. I

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mean, I made this comment some years ago, but

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it feels like we are the biological bootloader

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for AI effectively. We are building it. And then

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we're building progressively greater intelligence.

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and the percentage of intelligence that is not

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human is increasing and eventually We will represent

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a very small percentage of intelligence But the

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the AI isn't formed strangely by the human limbic

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system It is in large part our id writ large

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How so we mentioned all those things the sort

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of primal drives. There's all the things that

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we like and hate and fear. They're all there

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on the internet. They're a projection of our

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limbic system. No, it makes sense. And the thinking

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of it as a Mean think of thinking of corporations

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and just thinking of just human beings communicating

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online through these social media networks as

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some sort of an organism that's a It's a cyborg.

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It's a combination. It's a combination of electronics

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and biology. Yeah This is in some in some measure

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like it's the success of these online systems

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is that is a sort of a function of Of how much

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limbic resonance They're able to achieve with

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people The more limbic resonance the more engagement

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hmm Whereas like one of the reasons why probably

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Instagram is more enticing than Twitter limbic

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resonance yeah, you get More images more video.

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Yes tweaking your system more. Yes. Do you worry

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about or wonder in fact about what the next step

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is? Mean a lot of people didn't see Twitter coming

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that you know communicate with 140 characters

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or 280 now Would be a thing that people would

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be interested in Like it's gonna excel it's gonna

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become more connected to us, right? Yes, things

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are getting more and more connected there at

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this point constrained by bandwidth our Input

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output is slow particularly output after got

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worse with thumbs We used to have input with

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ten fingers, now we have thumbs. But images are

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also a way of communicating at high bandwidth.

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You take pictures and you send pictures to people.

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That communicates far more information than you

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can communicate with your thumbs. So what happened

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with you where you decided or you took on a more

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fatalistic attitude? Was there any specific thing

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or was it just the inevitability of our future?

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I tried to convince people to slow down, slow

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down AI, to regulate AI. This was futile. I tried

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for years. Nobody listened. This seems like a

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scene in a movie where the robots are going to

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fucking take over and you're freaking me out.

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Nobody listened. Nobody listened. No one. Are

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people more inclined to listen today? It seems

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like an issue that's brought up more often over

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the last few years than it was maybe five, ten

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years ago it seemed like. science fiction maybe

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they will so far they haven't i think people

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don't like the normally the way that regulations

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work it's very slow very slow indeed so usually

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it'll be something some new technology it will

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cause damage or death there will be an outcry

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There will be investigation. Years will pass.

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There will be some sort of insight committee.

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There will be rulemaking. Then there will be

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oversight, eventually regulations. This all takes

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many years. This is the normal course of things.

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If you look at, say, automotive regulations,

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how long did it take for seat belts to be implemented,

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to be required? You know, the auto industry fought

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seat belts, I think, for more than a decade.

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successfully fought any regulations on seatbelts,

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even though the numbers were extremely obvious.

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If you had a seatbelt on, you would be far less

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likely to die or be seriously injured. It was

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unequivocal. And the industry fought this for

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years, successfully. Eventually, after many,

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many people died, regulators insisted on deep

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belts This is a this time frame is not relevant

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to AI you can't take ten years from the point

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at which is dangerous so late and You feel like

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this is decades away or years away From being

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too late if you have this fatalistic attitude

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and you feel like it's going we're in a almost

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like a doomsday countdown it's not necessarily

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a doomsday countdown it's it's a out of control

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countdown out of control yeah people call it

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the singularity and uh that's that's probably

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a good way to think about it it's a singular

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it's hard to predict like a black hole what what

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happens past the event horizon right so once

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it's implemented it's very different because

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it it wants to change out of the bottle what's

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going to happen and it will be able to improve

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itself yes That's where it gets spooky right

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the idea that it can do thousands of years of

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innovation. We're very very quickly. Yeah, and

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Then we'll be just ridiculous ridiculous. We

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will be like this ridiculous Biological shitting

00:23:48.380 --> 00:23:51.779
pissing thing trying to stop the gods No, stop.

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We like we like living with a finite lifespan

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and watching you know Norman Rockwell paintings

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It could be terrible and it could be great it's

00:24:02.440 --> 00:24:06.450
not clear Right. But one thing is for sure, we

00:24:06.450 --> 00:24:09.769
will not control it. Do you think that it's likely

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that we will merge somehow or another with this

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sort of technology and it'll augment what we

00:24:16.369 --> 00:24:19.190
are now? Or do you think it will replace us?

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Well, that's the scenario. The merge scenario

00:24:27.069 --> 00:24:32.349
with AI is the one that seems like probably the

00:24:32.349 --> 00:24:36.930
best. Like for us yes, like if you if you can't

00:24:36.930 --> 00:24:46.990
beat it join it that's Yeah, you know So From

00:24:46.990 --> 00:24:50.309
a long -term existential standpoint, that's like

00:24:50.309 --> 00:24:55.589
the purpose of Neuralink is to Create a high

00:24:55.589 --> 00:24:59.170
bandwidth interface to the brain such that we

00:24:59.170 --> 00:25:03.900
can be symbiotic with AI Because we have a bandwidth

00:25:03.900 --> 00:25:06.279
problem. You just can't communicate through your

00:25:06.279 --> 00:25:10.099
fingers. It's too slow and Where's neural link

00:25:10.099 --> 00:25:14.579
at right now? I Think we'll have something interesting

00:25:14.579 --> 00:25:17.720
to announce in a few months That's at least an

00:25:17.720 --> 00:25:20.180
order of magnitude better than anything else

00:25:20.180 --> 00:25:22.140
Probably I think better than probably anyone

00:25:22.140 --> 00:25:24.240
thinks is possible. How much can you talk about

00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:26.480
that right now? I don't want to drop the gun

00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:31.120
on that But what's like the ultimate? What's

00:25:31.120 --> 00:25:33.579
the idea behind it? What are you trying to accomplish

00:25:33.579 --> 00:25:36.039
with it? What would you like best -case scenario?

00:25:37.140 --> 00:25:41.160
I think best -case scenario, we effectively merge

00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:47.440
with AI, where AI serves as a tertiary cognition

00:25:47.440 --> 00:25:52.099
layer, where we've got the limbic system, kind

00:25:52.099 --> 00:25:54.680
of the primitive brain essentially. We've got

00:25:54.680 --> 00:25:57.960
the cortex. So you're currently in a symbiotic

00:25:57.960 --> 00:26:00.609
relationship. your cortex and limbic system are

00:26:00.609 --> 00:26:03.170
in a symbiotic relationship. And generally people

00:26:03.170 --> 00:26:05.089
like their cortex and they like their limbic

00:26:05.089 --> 00:26:07.549
system. I haven't met anyone who wants to delete

00:26:07.549 --> 00:26:10.109
their limbic system or delete their cortex. Everybody

00:26:10.109 --> 00:26:14.890
seems to like both. And the cortex is mostly

00:26:14.890 --> 00:26:17.329
in service to the limbic system. People may think

00:26:17.329 --> 00:26:21.990
that they're... that the thinking part of themselves

00:26:21.990 --> 00:26:24.289
is in charge, but it's mostly their limbic system

00:26:24.289 --> 00:26:27.049
that's in charge. And the cortex is trying to

00:26:27.049 --> 00:26:30.089
make the limbic system happy. That's what most

00:26:30.089 --> 00:26:33.029
of that computing power is oriented towards.

00:26:33.529 --> 00:26:36.450
How can I make the limbic system happy? That's

00:26:36.450 --> 00:26:40.849
what it's trying to do. Now, if we do have a

00:26:40.849 --> 00:26:43.710
third layer, which is the AI extension of yourself,

00:26:44.150 --> 00:26:48.410
that is also symbiotic. And there's enough bandwidth

00:26:48.410 --> 00:26:52.740
between the cortex and the AI extension of yourself

00:26:52.740 --> 00:26:58.660
such that the AI doesn't de facto separate, then

00:26:58.660 --> 00:27:01.980
that could be a good outcome. That could be quite

00:27:01.980 --> 00:27:04.180
a positive outcome for the future. So instead

00:27:04.180 --> 00:27:07.059
of replacing us, it will radically change our

00:27:07.059 --> 00:27:14.119
capabilities. Yes. It will enable anyone who

00:27:14.119 --> 00:27:20.380
wants to have superhuman cognition. Anyone who

00:27:20.380 --> 00:27:22.480
wants this is not a matter of earning power because

00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:25.200
your earning power would be vastly greater after

00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:29.000
you do it. So It's just like Anyone who wants

00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:33.700
can just do it in theory. That's the theory and

00:27:33.700 --> 00:27:39.599
and if that's the case then and let's say billions

00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:43.599
of people do it then the outcome for humanity

00:27:43.599 --> 00:27:51.619
will be the sum of of human will the sum of billions

00:27:51.619 --> 00:27:56.640
of people's desire for the future and That billions

00:27:56.640 --> 00:28:00.039
of people with enhanced cognitive ability radically

00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:04.339
enhanced. Yes, and which would be it how much

00:28:04.339 --> 00:28:06.299
different than people today like if you if you

00:28:06.299 --> 00:28:11.359
had to Explain it to a person Who didn't really

00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:13.259
know understand what you're saying? How much

00:28:13.259 --> 00:28:15.140
different are you talking about when you say

00:28:15.140 --> 00:28:19.000
radically improved like what do you mean? You

00:28:19.000 --> 00:28:22.000
mean mind reading? It would be difficult to really

00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:26.940
appreciate the difference. It's kind of like,

00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:29.900
how much smarter are you with a phone or computer

00:28:29.900 --> 00:28:32.980
than without? You're vastly smarter, actually.

00:28:34.220 --> 00:28:37.240
You can answer any question. If you connect to

00:28:37.240 --> 00:28:39.920
the internet, you can answer any question pretty

00:28:39.920 --> 00:28:44.099
much instantly, any calculation. Your phone's

00:28:44.099 --> 00:28:46.869
memory is essentially perfect. You can remember

00:28:46.869 --> 00:28:51.109
flawlessly your phone can remember videos pictures

00:28:51.109 --> 00:28:55.750
and everything perfectly That's the that your

00:28:55.750 --> 00:28:58.990
phone is already an extension of you. You're

00:28:58.990 --> 00:29:01.390
already a cyborg You don't even well most people

00:29:01.390 --> 00:29:04.410
don't rise. They are already a cyborg if that

00:29:04.410 --> 00:29:08.950
phone is an extension of yourself it's just that

00:29:08.950 --> 00:29:13.700
the the data rate the rate at which The communication

00:29:13.700 --> 00:29:16.259
rate between you and the cybernetic extension

00:29:16.259 --> 00:29:18.880
of yourself, that is your phone and computer,

00:29:19.279 --> 00:29:25.920
is slow. It's very slow. And that is like a tiny

00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:31.079
stroll of information flow between your biological

00:29:31.079 --> 00:29:35.480
self and your digital self. And we need to make

00:29:35.480 --> 00:29:40.880
that tiny stroll like a giant river. Huge. high

00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:44.180
bandwidth interface. It's an interface problem,

00:29:45.099 --> 00:29:48.400
data rate problem. Solve the data rate problem,

00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:54.440
then I think we can hang on to human machines

00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:58.940
and biosis through the long term. And then people

00:29:58.940 --> 00:30:02.099
may decide that they want to retain their biological

00:30:02.099 --> 00:30:05.539
self or not. I think they'll probably choose

00:30:05.539 --> 00:30:09.420
to retain their biological self. some sort of

00:30:09.420 --> 00:30:11.400
Ray Kurzweil scenario where they download themselves

00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:14.099
into a computer. You will be essentially snapshotted

00:30:14.099 --> 00:30:15.799
into a computer at any time. If your biological

00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:18.359
self dies, you could just probably just upload

00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:22.799
into a new unit. Literally. Pass that whiskey.

00:30:23.940 --> 00:30:26.660
We're getting crazy over here. This is getting

00:30:26.660 --> 00:30:29.400
ridiculous. Down the rabbit hole. Grab that sucker.

00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:33.819
Give me some of that. This is too freaky. See,

00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:34.160
if I was just talking to one of them... I've

00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:35.539
been thinking about this for a long time, by

00:30:35.539 --> 00:30:37.339
the way. I believe you have. If I was talking

00:30:37.339 --> 00:30:38.920
to one of them... Cheers, by the way. Cheers.

00:30:39.279 --> 00:30:43.079
Hey, this is a great whiskey. Thank you. I know

00:30:43.079 --> 00:30:45.099
where this came from. Who brought this to us?

00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:46.779
Trying to remember. Somebody gave it to us. Old

00:30:46.779 --> 00:30:49.440
camp. Whoever it was. Thanks. Yeah, it is good.

00:30:51.500 --> 00:30:54.000
This is just inevitable. Again, going back to

00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:56.759
when you decided to have this fatalistic viewpoint.

00:30:57.339 --> 00:30:59.319
So you tried to warn people. You talked about

00:30:59.319 --> 00:31:01.740
this pretty extensively. I've read several interviews

00:31:01.740 --> 00:31:03.599
where you talked about this. And then you just

00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:09.650
sort of just said, OK, it just is. by communicating

00:31:09.650 --> 00:31:12.849
the potential fear. I mean, for sure, you're

00:31:12.849 --> 00:31:15.789
getting the warning out to some people. Yeah.

00:31:17.410 --> 00:31:22.509
Yeah. I mean, I was really going on the warning

00:31:22.509 --> 00:31:28.390
quite a lot. I was warning everyone I could.

00:31:29.329 --> 00:31:31.809
You ever met with Obama? And just for one reason?

00:31:32.809 --> 00:31:35.150
Just to talk about AI? Yes. And what did he say?

00:31:36.049 --> 00:31:37.880
He said, what about Hillary? Worry about her

00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:41.319
first. Shh. Everybody be quiet. No, he listened.

00:31:41.619 --> 00:31:46.759
He certainly listened. I met with Congress. I

00:31:46.759 --> 00:31:52.400
was at a meeting of all 50 governors and talked

00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:56.960
about just AI danger and I talked to everyone

00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:03.440
I could. No one seemed to realize where this

00:32:03.440 --> 00:32:07.299
was going. Is it that or do they just assume

00:32:07.299 --> 00:32:08.700
that someone smarter than them is already taking

00:32:08.700 --> 00:32:11.900
care of it? Because when people hear about something

00:32:11.900 --> 00:32:15.660
like AI, it's almost abstract It's almost it's

00:32:15.660 --> 00:32:17.900
almost like it's so it's so hard to wrap your

00:32:17.900 --> 00:32:19.539
head around it by the time it already happens

00:32:19.539 --> 00:32:26.539
It'll be too late Yeah, I think they Didn't quite

00:32:26.539 --> 00:32:29.700
understand it or didn't think it was near term

00:32:29.700 --> 00:32:34.240
or Not sure what to do about it And I said, like,

00:32:34.279 --> 00:32:37.440
you know, an obvious thing to do is to just establish

00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:41.980
a committee, government committee, to gain insight,

00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:45.799
you know, before you oversight, before you do

00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:48.079
make regulations, just like try to understand

00:32:48.079 --> 00:32:52.140
what's going on. And then if you have an insight

00:32:52.140 --> 00:32:56.319
committee, then once they learn what's going

00:32:56.319 --> 00:32:59.079
on, get up to speed, then they can make maybe

00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:03.230
some rules or propose some rules. and that would

00:33:03.230 --> 00:33:06.829
be probably a safer way to go about things. It

00:33:06.829 --> 00:33:09.390
seems, I mean, I know that it's probably something

00:33:09.390 --> 00:33:11.890
that the government's supposed to handle, but

00:33:11.890 --> 00:33:13.769
it seems like I wouldn't want the, I don't want

00:33:13.769 --> 00:33:16.109
the government to handle this. Who do you want

00:33:16.109 --> 00:33:17.450
to handle it? I want you to handle this. Oh geez.

00:33:17.670 --> 00:33:20.049
Yeah. I feel like you're the one who could ring

00:33:20.049 --> 00:33:22.730
the bell better. Cause if Mike Pence starts talking

00:33:22.730 --> 00:33:24.890
about AI, I'm like, shut up, bitch. You don't

00:33:24.890 --> 00:33:27.569
know anything about AI. Come on, man. He doesn't

00:33:27.569 --> 00:33:29.460
know what he's talking about. I don't have the

00:33:29.460 --> 00:33:31.720
power to regulate other companies. What am I

00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:33.859
supposed to? Right, but maybe companies could

00:33:33.859 --> 00:33:36.400
agree maybe there could be some sort of a I mean

00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:39.339
there's We have agreements where you're not supposed

00:33:39.339 --> 00:33:41.519
to dump toxic waste into the ocean. You're not

00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:44.440
supposed to do certain things. It could be terribly

00:33:44.440 --> 00:33:47.779
Damaging even though they'd be profitable. Maybe

00:33:47.779 --> 00:33:49.519
this is one of those things Maybe we should realize

00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:51.180
that you can't hit the switch on something that's

00:33:51.180 --> 00:33:53.019
going to be able to think for itself And make

00:33:53.019 --> 00:33:54.400
up its own mind as to whether or not it wants

00:33:54.400 --> 00:33:56.519
to survive or not and whether or not thinks you're

00:33:56.519 --> 00:33:59.799
a threat And whether or not it thinks you're

00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:03.579
useless, like, why do I keep this dumb, finite

00:34:03.579 --> 00:34:07.140
life form alive? Why keep this thing around?

00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:09.539
It's just stupid, it just keeps polluting everything,

00:34:09.760 --> 00:34:11.880
it's shitting everywhere it goes, lighting everything

00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:14.000
on fire and shooting each other. Why would I

00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:15.840
keep this stupid thing alive? Because sometimes

00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:18.280
it makes good music, you know, sometimes it makes

00:34:18.280 --> 00:34:20.400
great movies, sometimes it makes beautiful art,

00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:22.679
and sometimes, you know, sometimes it's cool

00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:25.599
to hang out with. Yes, all those reasons. Yeah

00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:28.079
for us. Those are great reasons Yes, but for

00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:29.719
anything objective standing outside like oh,

00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:31.760
this is definitely a flawed system This is like

00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:33.119
if you went to the jungle and you watch these

00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:35.360
chimps Engage in warfare and beat each other

00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:37.440
with sticks. They're fucking real mean. They're

00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:39.019
fucking mean. They're real mean. I saw that movie

00:34:39.019 --> 00:34:40.280
chimpanzee I thought it was gonna be like some

00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:42.480
Disney thing like oh like cow. What movie was

00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:44.840
that? It's literally called chimpanzee. Is it

00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:46.920
a documentary? Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of like

00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:49.679
a documentary. I was like Damn, these chimps

00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:53.710
are mean. They're mean. Yeah, they're cruel Yeah,

00:34:53.789 --> 00:34:56.130
they're they're they're calculated. Yeah. Yeah,

00:34:56.150 --> 00:34:58.769
they sneak up on each other and like I didn't

00:34:58.769 --> 00:35:01.750
realize chimps did calculated cruelty. Mm -hmm.

00:35:01.769 --> 00:35:05.690
Yeah, that's pretty Left that meeting kind of

00:35:05.690 --> 00:35:07.829
thinking. What was this dark right? Well, we

00:35:07.829 --> 00:35:11.030
know better because we've advanced But if we

00:35:11.030 --> 00:35:13.230
hadn't we'd be like man, I don't want to fucking

00:35:13.230 --> 00:35:16.230
live in a house I like the chimp ways bro chimp

00:35:16.230 --> 00:35:21.170
ways to go. This is it man chimp life Right now

00:35:21.579 --> 00:35:25.400
But we, in a way, to the AI, might be like those

00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:28.079
chimps. And we're like, these stupid fucks launching

00:35:28.079 --> 00:35:30.760
missiles out of drones and shooting each other

00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:34.239
underwater. Like, we're crazy. We've got torpedoes

00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:37.400
and submarines and fucking airplanes that drop

00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:40.079
nuclear bombs indiscriminately on cities. We're

00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:46.090
assholes. They might go, why are they doing this?

00:35:46.309 --> 00:35:48.869
It might like look at our politics, look at what

00:35:48.869 --> 00:35:53.070
we do in terms of our food system, what kind

00:35:53.070 --> 00:35:56.269
of food we force down each other's throats. And

00:35:56.269 --> 00:35:57.750
they might go, these people are crazy. They don't

00:35:57.750 --> 00:36:00.150
even look out for themselves. I don't know. I

00:36:00.150 --> 00:36:02.269
mean, how much do we think about chimps? Not

00:36:02.269 --> 00:36:05.130
much. Very little. It's true. These chimps are

00:36:05.130 --> 00:36:10.710
at war. It's like groups of chimps just attack

00:36:10.710 --> 00:36:14.119
each other. They kill each other. They torture

00:36:14.119 --> 00:36:17.900
each other. That's pretty bad They hunt monkeys

00:36:17.900 --> 00:36:23.760
They're but like this is probably the most but

00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:26.119
You know, I mean when's the last time you talk

00:36:26.119 --> 00:36:29.019
about chimps, but me. Yeah all the time you do

00:36:29.019 --> 00:36:38.289
talking to podcast Yeah, constantly. I'm obsessed.

00:36:38.389 --> 00:36:40.269
I saw that David Attenborough documentary on

00:36:40.269 --> 00:36:42.010
chimps when they were eating those colobus monkeys

00:36:42.010 --> 00:36:43.949
and ripping them apart. It's just rough. I saw

00:36:43.949 --> 00:36:46.469
that many, many years ago. It just changed how

00:36:46.469 --> 00:36:49.469
I go, oh, this is why people are so crazy. We

00:36:49.469 --> 00:36:52.730
came from that thing. Yeah, exactly. And there's

00:36:52.730 --> 00:36:55.750
the bonobos. They got a better philosophy. Yeah,

00:36:55.769 --> 00:36:58.230
they're like swingers. Yeah, they really are.

00:36:58.869 --> 00:37:03.489
They seem to be way more, even than us, way more

00:37:03.489 --> 00:37:07.579
civilized. They just seem to resolve everything

00:37:07.579 --> 00:37:09.780
with sex. Yeah, the only rules they have is the

00:37:09.780 --> 00:37:12.440
mom won't bang the son. That's it. Okay. That's

00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:15.659
it. Mom won't bang your sons They're good women.

00:37:15.780 --> 00:37:17.980
Yeah, good women in the bonobo community. Everybody

00:37:17.980 --> 00:37:21.300
else is banging it out. Yeah, I Haven't seen

00:37:21.300 --> 00:37:25.400
the bonobo movie Well, they're disturbing just

00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:27.420
at a zoo, you know, you have bonobos at the zoo.

00:37:27.420 --> 00:37:29.059
They're just constantly going constantly fucking

00:37:29.059 --> 00:37:33.900
Yeah, and they don't care gay straight whatever

00:37:33.900 --> 00:37:39.519
let's just fuck I haven't seen Bonobos at a zoo.

00:37:39.619 --> 00:37:42.500
That's probably not on the PG section. Yeah,

00:37:42.500 --> 00:37:44.219
I don't think they have them at many zoos. We've

00:37:44.219 --> 00:37:45.420
looked at that before too, didn't we? Yeah, that's

00:37:45.420 --> 00:37:47.820
probably pretty awkward. I think that's the thing.

00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:49.880
They like to keep regular chimps at zoos because

00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:53.679
Bonobos are just always jacking off. Yeah. What's

00:37:53.679 --> 00:37:55.019
that? They have them in San Diego? San Diego's

00:37:55.019 --> 00:37:57.199
just got some, yeah. Really? Interesting. Probably

00:37:57.199 --> 00:38:00.039
separate them. Yeah. I mean, how many are there

00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:03.059
in a cage? It's going to be pretty intense. Yeah.

00:38:04.139 --> 00:38:06.619
Yeah, we're a weird thing, you know, and I've

00:38:06.619 --> 00:38:09.139
often wondered if whether or not we're, you know,

00:38:09.500 --> 00:38:12.500
our ultimate goal is to give birth to some new

00:38:12.500 --> 00:38:14.420
thing. And that's why we're so obsessed with

00:38:14.420 --> 00:38:16.800
technology. Because it's not like this technology

00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:18.719
is really, I mean, it's certainly enhancing our

00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:23.460
lives in a certain way, but is, I mean, ultimately,

00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:27.030
is it making people happier right now? Most technology,

00:38:27.150 --> 00:38:28.989
I would say no. In fact, you and I were talking

00:38:28.989 --> 00:38:32.269
about social media before this, about just not

00:38:32.269 --> 00:38:34.349
having Instagram on your phone and not dealing

00:38:34.349 --> 00:38:37.690
with it. You feel better. Yes. I think one of

00:38:37.690 --> 00:38:39.750
the issues with social media that's been pointed

00:38:39.750 --> 00:38:45.769
out by many people is that I think maybe particularly

00:38:45.769 --> 00:38:49.349
Instagram, people look like they have a much

00:38:49.349 --> 00:38:54.329
better life than they really do. Right. By design.

00:38:54.510 --> 00:38:57.429
Yeah, people are posting pictures of when they're

00:38:57.429 --> 00:39:00.269
really happy. They're modifying those pictures

00:39:00.269 --> 00:39:03.409
to be better looking. Even if they're not modifying

00:39:03.409 --> 00:39:04.989
the pictures, they're at least selecting the

00:39:04.989 --> 00:39:07.170
pictures for the best lighting, the best angle.

00:39:09.289 --> 00:39:13.650
So people basically seem, they're way better

00:39:13.650 --> 00:39:16.409
looking than they basically really are. Right.

00:39:17.369 --> 00:39:20.389
And they're way happier seeming than they really

00:39:20.389 --> 00:39:22.909
are. So if you look at everyone on Instagram,

00:39:22.969 --> 00:39:25.449
you might think, man, They're all these happy,

00:39:25.550 --> 00:39:28.969
beautiful people, and I'm not that good looking

00:39:28.969 --> 00:39:32.650
and I'm not happy. So I'm a suck, you know, and

00:39:32.650 --> 00:39:37.369
that's gonna make people sad. So when in fact,

00:39:38.409 --> 00:39:40.769
those people you think are super happy, actually

00:39:40.769 --> 00:39:43.570
not that happy. Some of them are really depressed,

00:39:43.690 --> 00:39:47.429
they're very sad. Some of the happiest -seeming

00:39:47.429 --> 00:39:49.829
people, actually some of the saddest people in

00:39:49.829 --> 00:39:55.010
reality. And and and nobody looks good all the

00:39:55.010 --> 00:39:58.190
time doesn't matter who you are. No It's not

00:39:58.190 --> 00:40:00.989
even something you should want. Why do you want

00:40:00.989 --> 00:40:04.349
to look great all the time? Yeah, exactly. So

00:40:04.349 --> 00:40:06.730
So I think I think things like that can make

00:40:06.730 --> 00:40:10.030
people quite sad Just by comparison because you

00:40:10.030 --> 00:40:12.510
just sort of you people people generally could

00:40:12.510 --> 00:40:16.050
think of themselves relative to to others, it's

00:40:16.050 --> 00:40:20.869
a we are constantly re We're baselining our expectations

00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:25.619
And you can see the say if you watch some show

00:40:25.619 --> 00:40:28.460
like naked and afraid or You know if you just

00:40:28.460 --> 00:40:30.599
go and try living in the woods by yourself for

00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:34.940
a while, and you're like The land that civilization

00:40:34.940 --> 00:40:38.260
is quite great has let's love it people want

00:40:38.260 --> 00:40:40.219
to come back civilization pretty fast on they

00:40:40.219 --> 00:40:42.719
get in afraid Wasn't that a thorough quote the

00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:46.559
comparison is a thief of joy? Yeah of happiness

00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:52.039
is reality minus expectations That's great, too.

00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:54.400
But the comparison is the thief of joy really

00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:56.340
holds true to people is it they'd or Roosevelt

00:40:56.340 --> 00:41:00.619
Roosevelt fascinating In when you think about

00:41:00.619 --> 00:41:02.579
Instagram because what essentially Instagram

00:41:02.579 --> 00:41:04.400
is with a lot of people is you're giving them

00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:07.280
the opportunity to be their own PR agent and

00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:10.800
they always Go towards the glamorous, you know,

00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:13.360
and when anybody does show, you know hashtag

00:41:13.360 --> 00:41:16.679
no filter They really do do that. Oh, you're

00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:20.789
so brave. Look at you. No makeup No, yeah, they

00:41:20.789 --> 00:41:22.489
look good. Anyway. You look great. What are you

00:41:22.489 --> 00:41:24.269
doing? Oh my god? You don't have makeup on you

00:41:24.269 --> 00:41:25.489
still look hot as fuck. You know what you're

00:41:25.489 --> 00:41:28.170
doing I know what you're doing, too They're they're

00:41:28.170 --> 00:41:30.130
they're letting you know and then they're feeding

00:41:30.130 --> 00:41:34.269
off that comment section. Ooh just a little Sitting

00:41:34.269 --> 00:41:37.010
there like like it's a fresh stream of love like

00:41:37.010 --> 00:41:38.710
you're getting right up to the source as it comes

00:41:38.710 --> 00:41:40.449
out of the earth and you're sucking That's a

00:41:40.449 --> 00:41:44.650
lot of water emojis emojis. Yeah a lot of emojis

00:41:45.409 --> 00:41:49.030
My concern is not so much what Instagram is,

00:41:49.530 --> 00:41:52.170
is that I didn't think that people had the need

00:41:52.170 --> 00:41:54.570
for this or the expectation for some sort of

00:41:54.570 --> 00:41:56.429
technology that allows them to constantly get

00:41:56.429 --> 00:41:59.170
love and adulation from strangers and comments

00:41:59.170 --> 00:42:02.449
and this ability to project this sort of distorted

00:42:02.449 --> 00:42:04.550
version of who you really are. But I worry about

00:42:04.550 --> 00:42:07.449
where it goes. Like, what's the next one? What's

00:42:07.449 --> 00:42:10.469
the next one? Where is it is it gonna be augmented

00:42:10.469 --> 00:42:12.869
is some sort of a weird augmented or virtual

00:42:12.869 --> 00:42:15.610
sort of Instagram type situation? Where you're

00:42:15.610 --> 00:42:18.250
not gonna want to live in this real world You're

00:42:18.250 --> 00:42:20.690
gonna want to interface with this sort of world

00:42:20.690 --> 00:42:22.530
that you've created through your social media

00:42:22.530 --> 00:42:27.429
page some next -level thing Yeah, go live in

00:42:27.429 --> 00:42:30.030
the simulation. Yeah, maybe in the same way some

00:42:30.030 --> 00:42:32.889
ready player one type shit That's real that seems

00:42:32.889 --> 00:42:36.150
we have that HTC vive here and I've only done

00:42:36.150 --> 00:42:37.650
it a couple times, quite honestly, because it

00:42:37.650 --> 00:42:40.269
kind of freaks me out. My kids fucking love it,

00:42:40.409 --> 00:42:43.389
man. They love it. They love playing these weirdo

00:42:43.389 --> 00:42:46.210
games and walking around with that headset on.

00:42:46.630 --> 00:42:48.929
But part of me watching them do it goes, wow,

00:42:48.969 --> 00:42:52.010
I wonder if this is like the precursor. Just

00:42:52.010 --> 00:42:54.409
sort of like if you look at that phone that Gordon

00:42:54.409 --> 00:42:56.730
Gekko had on the beach, and then you compare

00:42:56.730 --> 00:43:00.849
that to a Galaxy Note 9. How the fuck did that

00:43:00.849 --> 00:43:03.309
become that, right? And I wonder when I see this

00:43:03.309 --> 00:43:05.400
HTC Vive, I'm like, What is that thing going

00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:08.159
to be 10 years from now when we're making fun

00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:14.920
of what it is now? How ingrained and how connected

00:43:14.920 --> 00:43:17.559
and interconnected is this technology going to

00:43:17.559 --> 00:43:25.800
be in our life? It will be, at some point, indistinguishable

00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:29.179
from reality. Where we'll lose this. We lose

00:43:29.179 --> 00:43:30.860
this like you and I just look at each other through

00:43:30.860 --> 00:43:33.440
our eyes. I see you see me I think I hope you

00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:35.619
think so I think you probably have regular eyes

00:43:35.619 --> 00:43:39.280
This could be some simulation it could do you

00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:45.239
entertain that? Well the argument for the simulation

00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:49.260
I think is quite strong Because if you assume

00:43:49.260 --> 00:43:53.579
any improvements at all Over time any improvement

00:43:53.579 --> 00:43:57.420
1 % point 1 % just extend the time frame make

00:43:57.420 --> 00:43:59.579
it a thousand years million years. The universe

00:43:59.579 --> 00:44:04.980
is 13 .8 billion years old. Civilization, if

00:44:04.980 --> 00:44:08.119
you count it, if you're very generous, civilization

00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:11.300
is maybe seven or eight thousand years old, if

00:44:11.300 --> 00:44:14.039
you count it from the first writing. This is

00:44:14.039 --> 00:44:20.420
nothing. This is nothing. So, if you assume any

00:44:20.420 --> 00:44:26.400
rate of improvement at all, then games will be

00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:32.019
indistinguishable from reality. or civilization

00:44:32.019 --> 00:44:34.719
will end, one of those two things will occur.

00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:39.619
Therefore, we are most likely in a simulation.

00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:43.840
Or we're on our way to one, right? Well, just

00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:45.840
because we exist, we could most certainly be

00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:48.159
on the road. We could be on the road to that,

00:44:48.599 --> 00:44:50.320
right? It doesn't mean that it has to have already

00:44:50.320 --> 00:44:51.719
happened. We could be in base reality. We could

00:44:51.719 --> 00:44:54.920
be in base reality. We could be here now on our

00:44:54.920 --> 00:44:58.960
way to the road or on our way to the destination

00:44:58.960 --> 00:45:02.400
where this can never happen again, where we are

00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:04.920
completely ingrained in some sort of an artificial

00:45:04.920 --> 00:45:07.099
technology or some sort of a symbiotic relationship

00:45:07.099 --> 00:45:10.599
with the internet or the next level of sharing

00:45:10.599 --> 00:45:12.960
information, but right now we're not there yet.

00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:15.199
That's possible too, right? It's possible that

00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:17.820
a simulation is one day going to be inevitable,

00:45:17.900 --> 00:45:19.719
that we're going to have something that's indistinguishable

00:45:19.719 --> 00:45:21.719
from regular reality, but maybe we're not there

00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:25.480
yet. That's also possible. We're not quite there

00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:28.860
yet. This is real? When I touch that feels very

00:45:28.860 --> 00:45:30.420
real, maybe that's why everybody's like into

00:45:30.420 --> 00:45:34.260
like mason jars and shit mason suede shoes people

00:45:34.260 --> 00:45:36.340
into like craft restaurants And they wouldn't

00:45:36.340 --> 00:45:38.639
want raw wood everyone says everyone ought to

00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:41.079
see metal people It seems like people are like

00:45:41.079 --> 00:45:44.579
longing towards some weird log cabin type and

00:45:44.579 --> 00:45:47.739
it's our reality Yeah, like holding on like clinging

00:45:47.739 --> 00:45:49.960
just her dragging their nails through the mud

00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:53.400
like don't take me yet Yes, I want to but then

00:45:53.400 --> 00:45:55.079
but then people will go get a mason jar with

00:45:55.079 --> 00:46:00.579
a wine stem or a handle That's dark Makes me

00:46:00.579 --> 00:46:02.619
lose faith in humanity wine stem and a handle

00:46:02.619 --> 00:46:05.079
they have those yes. Oh, that's dirty people.

00:46:05.079 --> 00:46:07.000
Oh, that's terrible assholes That's like people

00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:09.559
make pet rocks rough right this some people are

00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:12.719
just assholes. They take advantage of our Generous

00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:15.699
nature it was made with a wine stem made with

00:46:15.699 --> 00:46:19.539
a handle They made it that way yes, so the one

00:46:19.539 --> 00:46:22.659
way well like that on to the mace ah you thought

00:46:22.659 --> 00:46:25.630
that would be fine if there was They glued it

00:46:25.630 --> 00:46:27.989
on or something right though. It was made that

00:46:27.989 --> 00:46:30.190
way white trash cheek. Oh, this is disgusting

00:46:30.190 --> 00:46:38.130
This is terrible Yeah, that's like fake breasts

00:46:38.130 --> 00:46:40.170
that are designed to be hard like fake breasts

00:46:40.170 --> 00:46:46.730
from the 60s It's like if you really long for

00:46:46.730 --> 00:46:50.389
the ones with ripples here we go yeah, that's

00:46:50.389 --> 00:46:53.019
almost what that is yeah What are you gonna do

00:46:53.019 --> 00:46:55.820
man? There's nothing you mean. It's not you do

00:46:55.820 --> 00:46:58.840
stop certain terrible ideas from propagating

00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:05.119
Yeah Anyway, I don't sound like like things are

00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:07.199
too dark because I think like you kind of have

00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:11.800
to Be optimistic about the future. There's no

00:47:11.800 --> 00:47:16.019
point in being pessimistic. It's just too negative

00:47:16.019 --> 00:47:19.639
Doesn't help you know I think you want to be

00:47:20.389 --> 00:47:23.789
I mean my theory is like you'd rather be Optimistic

00:47:23.789 --> 00:47:26.610
I think I'd rather be optimistic and wrong than

00:47:26.610 --> 00:47:30.030
pessimistic and right Right at least or on that

00:47:30.030 --> 00:47:33.010
side, right? Yeah, because if you're pessimistic

00:47:33.010 --> 00:47:37.469
is going to be miserable. Yeah Yeah, nobody wants

00:47:37.469 --> 00:47:39.050
to be around you. Anyway, if it's the end of

00:47:39.050 --> 00:47:40.730
the world, you're like a fucking told you bro.

00:47:41.289 --> 00:47:46.329
Yeah the world ending yeah It is what it is for

00:47:46.329 --> 00:47:48.909
all. I mean enjoy the journey right if you really

00:47:48.909 --> 00:47:52.079
want to get Morose I mean it is what it is for

00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:54.420
all of us. Anyway. We were all gonna go unless

00:47:54.420 --> 00:47:57.619
some something changes Yeah, I mean ultimately

00:47:57.619 --> 00:48:00.679
you know even if we just sort of existed as humans

00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:04.699
forever. We'd be Which still eventually that'd

00:48:04.699 --> 00:48:06.739
be like the heat death of the universe right

00:48:06.739 --> 00:48:09.219
a zillion years from now Right if we get it past

00:48:09.219 --> 00:48:12.559
the Sun if we figure out a way past the Sun running

00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:15.340
out of juice Eventually, it's gonna end. It's

00:48:15.340 --> 00:48:17.840
just a question of when right so it really is

00:48:17.840 --> 00:48:22.530
all about the journey Hmm or transcendence from

00:48:22.530 --> 00:48:24.429
whatever we are now into something that doesn't

00:48:24.429 --> 00:48:28.349
worry about death The universe as we know it

00:48:28.349 --> 00:48:35.710
will dissipate into a fine mist of Cold nothingness

00:48:35.710 --> 00:48:37.570
eventually and then someone's gonna bottle it

00:48:37.570 --> 00:48:41.190
and put a fragrance to it Sell it to French people

00:48:41.190 --> 00:48:44.010
in another dimension. It's just a very long time

00:48:44.010 --> 00:48:46.670
Yeah, I think it's really just about how can

00:48:46.670 --> 00:48:50.500
we make it last longer? Are you a proponent of

00:48:50.500 --> 00:48:52.940
the multi -universes theory? Do you believe that

00:48:52.940 --> 00:48:54.860
there are many, many universes, and that even

00:48:54.860 --> 00:48:56.880
if this one fades out, that there's other ones

00:48:56.880 --> 00:48:58.840
that are starting fresh right now, and there's

00:48:58.840 --> 00:49:01.019
an infinite number of them, and they're just

00:49:01.019 --> 00:49:03.320
constantly in this never -ending cycle of birth

00:49:03.320 --> 00:49:10.139
and death? I think most likely, this is just

00:49:10.139 --> 00:49:14.280
about probability, there are many, many simulations.

00:49:15.539 --> 00:49:17.579
These simulations are, we might as well call

00:49:17.579 --> 00:49:20.789
them reality. We could call them multiverse these

00:49:20.789 --> 00:49:23.269
simulations you believe are created like someone

00:49:23.269 --> 00:49:27.090
has many they're running on the substrate So

00:49:27.090 --> 00:49:30.510
that substrate is probably boring boring mm -hmm

00:49:30.510 --> 00:49:35.570
how so Well when we create a simulation Like

00:49:35.570 --> 00:49:38.550
a game or a movie. It's a distillation of what's

00:49:38.550 --> 00:49:42.750
interesting about life You know like it it takes

00:49:42.750 --> 00:49:46.340
you take a year to shoot an action movie And

00:49:46.340 --> 00:49:48.420
then that's all to slow down into two or three

00:49:48.420 --> 00:49:51.980
hours. So let me tell you, if you see an action

00:49:51.980 --> 00:49:54.019
movie being filmed, it's frigging, it's boring,

00:49:54.619 --> 00:49:58.699
super boring. It takes, there's like lots of

00:49:58.699 --> 00:50:01.699
takes, everything's in a green screen, looks

00:50:01.699 --> 00:50:04.860
pretty goofy, doesn't look cool. But once you

00:50:04.860 --> 00:50:08.920
add the CGI and have great editing, it's amazing.

00:50:10.860 --> 00:50:16.519
So I think most likely... If we're a simulation

00:50:16.519 --> 00:50:22.159
it's really boring outside the simulation Because

00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:23.460
why would you make a simulation that's boring

00:50:23.460 --> 00:50:25.059
it makes simulation way more interesting the

00:50:25.059 --> 00:50:29.340
base reality that is if this right now is a simulation

00:50:29.340 --> 00:50:33.840
yes and Ultimately inevitably we're if as long

00:50:33.840 --> 00:50:36.019
as we don't die or get hit by a meteor We're

00:50:36.019 --> 00:50:38.280
going to create some sort of simulation if we

00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:40.420
continue on the same technological path. We're

00:50:40.420 --> 00:50:43.119
on we're on right now Yes, but we might not be

00:50:43.119 --> 00:50:45.480
there yet So it might not be a simulation here.

00:50:46.739 --> 00:50:49.920
But it most likely is you feel other places.

00:50:52.420 --> 00:50:56.639
This notion of place or where is a... Flawed.

00:50:56.760 --> 00:50:59.739
Yes. Flawed perception. Like that, if you have

00:50:59.739 --> 00:51:06.840
this sort of, that vibe, you know, that's made

00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:10.980
by Valve, and it's really Valve. that made it.

00:51:11.059 --> 00:51:12.800
HTC did the hardware, but it's really a Valve

00:51:12.800 --> 00:51:18.800
thing. Makers of Half -Life. Yes. Valve, great

00:51:18.800 --> 00:51:29.699
company. Great company. When you're in that virtual

00:51:29.699 --> 00:51:34.139
reality, which is only going to get better, where

00:51:34.139 --> 00:51:38.079
are you? Where are you really? Right. You aren't

00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:41.719
anywhere. We're in the computer. What defines

00:51:41.719 --> 00:51:44.159
where you are? Exactly. It's your perception.

00:51:44.440 --> 00:51:46.980
Is it your perceptions, or is it a scale that

00:51:46.980 --> 00:51:48.860
we have under your butt? You're right here. I've

00:51:48.860 --> 00:51:50.500
measured you. You're the same weight as you were

00:51:50.500 --> 00:51:54.019
when you left. Meanwhile, your experience is

00:51:54.019 --> 00:51:54.579
radically different. Why do you think you're

00:51:54.579 --> 00:51:57.199
where you are right now? You might not be. I'll

00:51:57.199 --> 00:51:59.519
spark up a joint if you keep talking. Your manager's

00:51:59.519 --> 00:52:00.639
going to come in here. We might have to lock

00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:03.300
the door. Right now, you think you're in a studio

00:52:03.300 --> 00:52:05.460
in LA. That's what I heard. You might be in a

00:52:05.460 --> 00:52:07.139
computer. Oh, listen, man. I think about this

00:52:07.139 --> 00:52:12.559
all the time. Yeah, I mean It's unquestionable

00:52:12.559 --> 00:52:15.099
that one day. That'll be the case as long as

00:52:15.099 --> 00:52:17.579
we keep going as long as nothing interrupts us

00:52:17.579 --> 00:52:21.340
and if we start from scratch and You know we're

00:52:21.340 --> 00:52:24.400
single celled organisms all over again, and then

00:52:24.400 --> 00:52:26.059
millions and millions of years later We become

00:52:26.059 --> 00:52:28.719
the next thing that is us with creativity and

00:52:28.719 --> 00:52:30.880
the ability to change its environment It's gonna

00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:33.079
keep monkeying with things until it figures out

00:52:33.079 --> 00:52:36.780
a way to change reality to change. I mean almost

00:52:36.780 --> 00:52:40.539
like punch a hole through what is this thing

00:52:40.539 --> 00:52:44.079
into what what it wants it to be and create new

00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:46.579
things and then those new things will intersect

00:52:46.579 --> 00:52:48.079
with other people's new things and then it'll

00:52:48.079 --> 00:52:52.159
be this ultimate pathway of infinite ideas and

00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:57.619
expression all through technology yeah and then

00:52:57.619 --> 00:53:01.179
we're wonder we're gonna wonder like why are

00:53:01.179 --> 00:53:06.760
we here what are we doing let's find out Well,

00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:10.239
I mean, I think we should take the actions, the

00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:12.420
set of actions that are most likely to make the

00:53:12.420 --> 00:53:16.739
future better. Yes. Right. Yeah. Right. Right.

00:53:17.320 --> 00:53:19.119
And then reevaluate those actions to make sure

00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:22.679
that it's true. Well, I think there's a movement

00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:24.980
to that. I mean, in terms of like a social movement,

00:53:25.179 --> 00:53:27.659
I think some of it's misguided and some of it's

00:53:27.659 --> 00:53:29.940
exaggerated. And there's a lot of people that

00:53:29.940 --> 00:53:32.219
are fighting for their side out there. But it

00:53:32.219 --> 00:53:38.210
seems like the general trend of like social awareness

00:53:38.210 --> 00:53:40.929
seems to be much more heightened now than has

00:53:40.929 --> 00:53:43.829
ever been in any other time in history because

00:53:43.829 --> 00:53:47.030
of our ability to express ourselves instantaneously

00:53:47.030 --> 00:53:49.510
to each other through Facebook or Twitter or

00:53:49.510 --> 00:53:55.150
what have you. And that the trend is to abandon

00:53:55.150 --> 00:53:58.570
preconceived notions, abandon prejudice, abandon

00:53:58.570 --> 00:54:02.659
discrimination and promote Kindness and happiness

00:54:02.659 --> 00:54:04.880
as much as possible. Look at this knife. Somebody

00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:06.880
gave it to me. Sorry Yeah, what is this? What

00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:09.380
the fuck did you do? Ah, my friend Donnie He

00:54:09.380 --> 00:54:11.179
brought this with him and it just stayed here.

00:54:11.320 --> 00:54:12.719
I have a real samurai sword if you want to play

00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:13.960
with that I know you're into weapons. That's

00:54:13.960 --> 00:54:16.760
from the 1500s Samurai sword at the end of the

00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:18.659
table. Yeah, that's cool. I'll grab it. Hold

00:54:18.659 --> 00:54:30.800
on Yeah, that's a legit samurai sword from an

00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:34.300
actual samurai from the 1500s. If you pull out

00:54:34.300 --> 00:54:38.059
that blade, that blade was made the old way where

00:54:38.059 --> 00:54:41.639
a master craftsman folded that metal and hammered

00:54:41.639 --> 00:54:44.820
it down over and over again over a long period

00:54:44.820 --> 00:54:46.880
of time and honed that blade into what it is

00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:50.760
now. What's crazy is that more than 500 years

00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:54.440
later, that thing is still pristine. I mean,

00:54:54.500 --> 00:54:57.019
whoever took care of that and passed it down

00:54:57.019 --> 00:55:00.130
to the next person who took care of it and You

00:55:00.130 --> 00:55:02.409
know till it got to the podcast room. It's pretty

00:55:02.409 --> 00:55:05.449
fucking crazy. Yeah one day someone's gonna be

00:55:05.449 --> 00:55:10.110
looking at a Tesla like that These fucking back

00:55:10.110 --> 00:55:14.849
doors they pop up sideways like a Lamborghini

00:55:14.849 --> 00:55:20.989
You should see what the Tesla can do You didn't

00:55:20.989 --> 00:55:22.909
you should I'll show you after what driven one.

00:55:23.010 --> 00:55:24.949
I love them Yeah, but most people don't know

00:55:24.949 --> 00:55:27.170
what it can do in terms of like ludicrous mode

00:55:28.199 --> 00:55:30.880
In terms like driving super fast and irresponsibly

00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:32.460
on public roads, is that what you're saying?

00:55:33.039 --> 00:55:35.920
A wedding car can do that. Yeah. What can it

00:55:35.920 --> 00:55:40.219
do that I need to know about? I mean, the Model

00:55:40.219 --> 00:55:42.579
X can do this, like, ballet thing to the Trans

00:55:42.579 --> 00:55:44.500
-Siberian Orchestra. It's pretty cool. Where

00:55:44.500 --> 00:55:46.980
it dances? Yes. Legitimately, like moves around

00:55:46.980 --> 00:55:52.559
to... Yes. Why would you program that into a

00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:57.610
car? Seemed like fun That's what I get about

00:55:57.610 --> 00:55:59.730
you. That's what's weird like when you showed

00:55:59.730 --> 00:56:01.989
up here You're all smiles, and you pull out a

00:56:01.989 --> 00:56:04.349
fucking blowtorch and not a blowtorch But I'm

00:56:04.349 --> 00:56:05.849
like look at this dude. Not a flamethrower. Not

00:56:05.849 --> 00:56:07.829
a flamethrower. Mike you're having fun. It's

00:56:07.829 --> 00:56:09.369
definitely not a flamethrower. You're having

00:56:09.369 --> 00:56:13.510
fun like this is uh Like this thing when you

00:56:13.510 --> 00:56:16.670
know you program a car to do a ballet dance.

00:56:16.909 --> 00:56:19.170
You're having fun How do you have the time to

00:56:19.170 --> 00:56:20.690
do that? I don't understand why you're digging

00:56:20.690 --> 00:56:22.650
holes under the earth and sending rockets into

00:56:22.650 --> 00:56:27.280
space and powering people in Australia, like

00:56:27.280 --> 00:56:29.119
how the fuck do you have time to make the car

00:56:29.119 --> 00:56:35.519
dance ballet? Well, I mean, in that case, there

00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:38.260
were some engineers at Tesla that said, you know,

00:56:38.320 --> 00:56:41.559
what if we make this car dance and play music?

00:56:42.760 --> 00:56:46.400
I was like, that sounds great. Please do it.

00:56:47.340 --> 00:56:49.159
Let's try to get it done in time for Christmas.

00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:51.920
We did. Is there a concern about someone just

00:56:51.920 --> 00:56:53.599
losing their mind and making it do that in the

00:56:53.599 --> 00:56:56.739
highway? No, it won't do that. What if it's in

00:56:56.739 --> 00:56:59.659
bumper -to -bumper traffic? Nope. No. Won't do

00:56:59.659 --> 00:57:02.559
it. Nope. Actually, you have to, it's an Easter

00:57:02.559 --> 00:57:05.119
egg. Oh, it's an Easter egg. Yeah, that's why

00:57:05.119 --> 00:57:07.159
people don't know about it. Including people

00:57:07.159 --> 00:57:08.840
who have the car. It's like, it could do lots

00:57:08.840 --> 00:57:11.280
of things. Lots of things. Once Reddit gets a

00:57:11.280 --> 00:57:13.340
hold of it, everyone's gonna know that. Oh, you

00:57:13.340 --> 00:57:15.860
just have to, it's, everyone, if you search for

00:57:15.860 --> 00:57:17.980
it on the internet, you will find out, but people

00:57:17.980 --> 00:57:19.940
don't know that. They should even search for

00:57:19.940 --> 00:57:24.199
it. Oh, well, they do now. Yes. Yes. There's

00:57:24.199 --> 00:57:26.699
so many things about the Model X and the Model

00:57:26.699 --> 00:57:30.420
S and the Model 3 that people don't know about.

00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:33.440
We should probably do a video or something and

00:57:33.440 --> 00:57:36.860
explain it. Because I have close friends of mine,

00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:38.519
and I say, do you know the car can do this? And

00:57:38.519 --> 00:57:43.159
they're like, nope. Do you want to do a video

00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:45.280
of that? Or do you like the fact that some people

00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:48.230
don't know? No, I think it's probably not we

00:57:48.230 --> 00:57:50.610
should tell people yeah, probably yes, that would

00:57:50.610 --> 00:57:53.230
help your product I mean, it's not like you don't

00:57:53.230 --> 00:57:55.309
sell enough of them. You sell almost too many

00:57:55.309 --> 00:58:04.190
of them right The I mean I think at Tesla It's

00:58:04.190 --> 00:58:07.610
the most fun thing you could possibly buy ever

00:58:07.610 --> 00:58:12.130
That's what it's meant to be well our goal is

00:58:12.130 --> 00:58:17.909
to make it's It's not exactly a car. It's actually

00:58:17.909 --> 00:58:22.349
a thing to maximize enjoyment Make its maximum

00:58:22.349 --> 00:58:29.510
fun Okay Electronic like big screen laptop ridiculous

00:58:29.510 --> 00:58:34.690
speed handling all that stuff Yeah, do you you

00:58:34.690 --> 00:58:36.650
have and we're gonna put video games in it you

00:58:36.650 --> 00:58:40.530
are yeah, is that's wise Well, what can you you

00:58:40.530 --> 00:58:43.150
won't be able to drive while you're playing the

00:58:43.150 --> 00:58:45.900
video game? But for example, we're just putting

00:58:45.900 --> 00:58:49.360
the Atari emulator, ROM emulator in it. So we'll

00:58:49.360 --> 00:58:51.340
play Missile Command and Lunar Lander and a bunch

00:58:51.340 --> 00:58:54.539
of other things. Yeah. That sounds cool. It's

00:58:54.539 --> 00:58:56.719
pretty fun. I like that. Yeah. And we improved

00:58:56.719 --> 00:58:57.980
the interface in Missile Command because it was

00:58:57.980 --> 00:59:01.440
too hard with the old trackball. So this is a

00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:04.059
touchscreen version of Missile Command. So you

00:59:04.059 --> 00:59:09.460
have a chance. You have an old car, don't you?

00:59:09.460 --> 00:59:12.400
Don't you have like an old Jaguar? Yeah, yeah,

00:59:12.400 --> 00:59:16.340
that's that's much better at that 61 series 1e

00:59:16.340 --> 00:59:19.039
type Jaguar. I love cars. It's great. Yeah, I

00:59:19.039 --> 00:59:24.219
love old cars Yeah, the only two got only two

00:59:24.219 --> 00:59:28.980
gasoline cars I have about that and an Old like

00:59:28.980 --> 00:59:31.440
a Ford Model T that a friend of mine gave me

00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:33.960
Hmm. That's my only two gasoline cars. Is the

00:59:33.960 --> 00:59:36.719
Ford Model T all stock? Well, there's your car

00:59:36.719 --> 00:59:42.630
Convertible That is a gorgeous car. God, that's

00:59:42.630 --> 00:59:46.730
a good looking car. Yes. Is that yours? That

00:59:46.730 --> 00:59:50.110
is. It's not mine. It's extremely close to mine.

00:59:50.489 --> 00:59:52.230
But I don't have a French license plate on mine.

00:59:52.650 --> 00:59:55.010
Oh, that's a beautiful car. They nailed that.

00:59:55.190 --> 00:59:57.389
Mine looks like that. God, they nailed that.

00:59:57.530 --> 01:00:00.449
That's what mine looks like. Maybe that is mine.

01:00:00.550 --> 01:00:04.909
There's certain iconic shapes. Yes. And there's

01:00:04.909 --> 01:00:06.809
something about those cars, too. They're not

01:00:06.809 --> 01:00:09.829
as capable. Not nearly as capable as like a Tesla,

01:00:09.829 --> 01:00:12.869
but there's something Really satisfying about

01:00:12.869 --> 01:00:15.730
the mechanical aspect of like feeling the steering

01:00:15.730 --> 01:00:18.829
and the grinding of the gears and the shifting

01:00:18.829 --> 01:00:22.210
There's something about those that's extremely

01:00:22.210 --> 01:00:24.389
satisfying even though they're not that competent

01:00:24.389 --> 01:00:31.309
like I have a 1993 Porsche 964 it's like a lightweight

01:00:31.519 --> 01:00:33.579
It's not it's in the RS America. It's not very

01:00:33.579 --> 01:00:35.960
fast It's not like in comparison to a Tesla or

01:00:35.960 --> 01:00:38.260
anything that but the thing about it is like

01:00:38.260 --> 01:00:44.260
it's mechanical you feel everything's like It's

01:00:44.260 --> 01:00:46.719
like it gives you this weird thrill like you're

01:00:46.719 --> 01:00:50.519
on this Clinky ride and there's all this feedback

01:00:50.519 --> 01:00:53.579
There's something to that. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

01:00:53.599 --> 01:00:57.579
I mean Yeah, my e -type is like basically no

01:00:57.579 --> 01:01:01.400
electronics. Yeah It's so you like that, but

01:01:01.400 --> 01:01:05.079
you also like electronics Yeah, like your Tesla

01:01:05.079 --> 01:01:10.119
soup. It's like the far end of electronics. Yes

01:01:10.119 --> 01:01:13.280
drives itself It's driving itself better every

01:01:13.280 --> 01:01:17.219
day Yeah, it's like we're about to release the

01:01:17.219 --> 01:01:20.449
software that will enable you to Just turn it

01:01:20.449 --> 01:01:22.530
on, and it'll drive from highway on -ramp to

01:01:22.530 --> 01:01:24.909
highway exit, do lane changes, overtake other

01:01:24.909 --> 01:01:27.769
cars, go from one interchange to the next. If

01:01:27.769 --> 01:01:33.130
you get on, say, the 405, get off 300 miles later,

01:01:33.349 --> 01:01:34.989
and go through several highway interchanges,

01:01:35.190 --> 01:01:37.789
and just overtake other cars, and hook into the

01:01:37.789 --> 01:01:42.170
nav system. And then, uh... And you're just meditating.

01:01:44.030 --> 01:01:48.460
Yeah, it's very... It's kind of eerie. It's kind

01:01:48.460 --> 01:01:49.980
of eerie. What did you think when you saw that

01:01:49.980 --> 01:01:51.559
video of that dude falling asleep behind the

01:01:51.559 --> 01:01:54.159
wheel? I'm sure you've seen it. The one in San

01:01:54.159 --> 01:01:56.039
Francisco. He's like right outside of San Jose.

01:01:56.159 --> 01:01:59.039
The dude's out cold like this. And the car's

01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:01.679
in bumper to bumper traffic moving along. Have

01:02:01.679 --> 01:02:04.539
you seen it, right? Yeah, yeah. We changed the

01:02:04.539 --> 01:02:06.239
software. Did you say what have I done? We changed

01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:08.420
the software. That's, I think, an old video.

01:02:08.460 --> 01:02:10.280
We changed the software where if you don't touch

01:02:10.280 --> 01:02:13.219
the wheel, it will gradually slow down and put

01:02:13.219 --> 01:02:15.940
the emergency lights on and wake you up. Oh,

01:02:15.940 --> 01:02:19.019
that's hilarious. Yeah. That's hilarious. Yeah,

01:02:19.119 --> 01:02:21.679
can you choose what voice wakes you up? Well,

01:02:21.699 --> 01:02:25.119
it's sort of more of a It's sort of honks honks.

01:02:25.199 --> 01:02:27.619
Yeah, this should be like wake up fuck face Well,

01:02:27.659 --> 01:02:29.599
you're endangering your fellow humans. We could

01:02:29.599 --> 01:02:31.860
we could gently wake you up with a sultry voice

01:02:31.860 --> 01:02:34.300
That would be good like something with a southern

01:02:34.300 --> 01:02:40.039
accent Hey, wake up sunshine. Hey, sweetie Won't

01:02:40.039 --> 01:02:42.760
you wake you like pick you could pick your Right

01:02:42.760 --> 01:02:45.059
like what you want. Yeah, I choose the Australian

01:02:45.059 --> 01:02:47.139
girl for Siri. Yeah, I like her voice. Do you

01:02:47.139 --> 01:02:51.039
want it seductive favorite? What flavor of do

01:02:51.039 --> 01:02:52.719
it do you want to be angry should be anything

01:02:52.719 --> 01:02:55.500
you want those Australian prison lady jeans now

01:02:55.500 --> 01:02:57.940
when you When you program something like that

01:02:57.940 --> 01:03:00.980
in is this in response to a concern or is it

01:03:00.980 --> 01:03:02.960
your own? Yeah, if you do you look at it and

01:03:02.960 --> 01:03:05.840
go hey They shouldn't just be able to fall asleep

01:03:05.840 --> 01:03:11.480
Let's wake them up Yeah, yeah, we it's like you

01:03:11.480 --> 01:03:15.599
know like You know, people falling asleep, we've

01:03:15.599 --> 01:03:17.199
got to do something about that. Right. But when

01:03:17.199 --> 01:03:19.119
you first released it, you didn't consider it,

01:03:19.119 --> 01:03:20.980
right? You're just like, well, no one's going

01:03:20.980 --> 01:03:24.179
to just sleep. People fall asleep in cars all

01:03:24.179 --> 01:03:26.400
the time. All the time. And crash. Yeah. At least

01:03:26.400 --> 01:03:28.960
our car doesn't crash. That's better. It's better

01:03:28.960 --> 01:03:31.099
not to crash. Imagine if that guy had fallen

01:03:31.099 --> 01:03:33.800
asleep in a gasoline car. They do it all the

01:03:33.800 --> 01:03:35.780
time. For sure. Yeah. And they would crash into

01:03:35.780 --> 01:03:39.760
somebody. Yeah. In fact, the thing that really,

01:03:40.039 --> 01:03:43.199
you know, Got me to, it's like, man, we better

01:03:43.199 --> 01:03:46.320
get autopilot going and get it out there. A guy

01:03:46.320 --> 01:03:50.420
was in an early Tesla, driving down the highway

01:03:50.420 --> 01:03:52.659
and he fell asleep and he ran over a cyclist

01:03:52.659 --> 01:03:55.820
and killed him. And the cyclist was like, man,

01:03:55.840 --> 01:04:00.219
if we had autopilot, we might have fallen asleep,

01:04:00.260 --> 01:04:02.280
but at least he wouldn't have run over that cyclist.

01:04:04.440 --> 01:04:06.639
So how did you implement it? Like, did you just

01:04:06.639 --> 01:04:12.380
use cameras programmed? with the system, so that

01:04:12.380 --> 01:04:16.280
if it sees images, it slows down. And how much

01:04:16.280 --> 01:04:20.059
time do you give? Is the person who's in control

01:04:20.059 --> 01:04:22.940
of it allowed to program how fast it goes? Yes.

01:04:23.860 --> 01:04:26.300
Yeah, you can program it to be more or less like

01:04:26.300 --> 01:04:29.360
more conservative, or like more aggressive driver.

01:04:31.300 --> 01:04:34.699
And you can say what speed you want it to, what

01:04:34.699 --> 01:04:36.719
speed is OK. I know you have ludicrous mode.

01:04:36.739 --> 01:04:42.349
Do you have douchebag mode? It just cuts people

01:04:42.349 --> 01:04:46.469
off. Well, for lane changes it's tricky because

01:04:46.469 --> 01:04:50.550
if you're in like LA, unless you're pretty aggressive,

01:04:51.090 --> 01:04:52.929
it's hard to change lanes sometimes. It's hard

01:04:52.929 --> 01:04:56.650
to be Sat Nam. It's hard to be Namaste here in

01:04:56.650 --> 01:04:59.889
LA if you want to hit that Santa Monica Boulevard

01:04:59.889 --> 01:05:01.949
off -ramp. I mean, you've got to be a little

01:05:01.949 --> 01:05:03.750
pushy. You've got to be a little pushy. Yeah,

01:05:03.829 --> 01:05:05.690
especially when people are angry. They're a little

01:05:05.690 --> 01:05:07.449
angry. They don't want you in. They speed up.

01:05:07.949 --> 01:05:10.550
Sometimes, you know, I think people like overall

01:05:10.550 --> 01:05:13.409
a pretty nice on the highway even in LA, but

01:05:13.409 --> 01:05:15.269
sometimes they're not Do you think the Neuralink

01:05:15.269 --> 01:05:18.409
will help that? Probably everybody be locked

01:05:18.409 --> 01:05:21.550
in together this hive mind Tunnels will help

01:05:21.550 --> 01:05:23.710
it. We're gonna have traffic. That'll help a

01:05:23.710 --> 01:05:26.650
lot. Yeah, how many of those can you put in there?

01:05:26.949 --> 01:05:31.050
Nice thing about tunnels is you can go 3d So

01:05:31.050 --> 01:05:34.670
go by any levels right so until you hit hell.

01:05:34.789 --> 01:05:37.369
Yeah But you can go, you can have a hundred levels

01:05:37.369 --> 01:05:39.909
of tunnel, no problems. Jesus Christ, I don't

01:05:39.909 --> 01:05:42.869
want to be on 99. I don't want to be on negative

01:05:42.869 --> 01:05:47.690
99 floors. This is one of the fundamental things

01:05:47.690 --> 01:05:50.150
people don't appreciate about tunnels is that

01:05:50.150 --> 01:05:51.929
it's not like roads. The fundamental issue with

01:05:51.929 --> 01:05:55.030
roads is that you have a 2D transport system

01:05:55.030 --> 01:05:59.230
and a 3D living and workspace environment. So

01:05:59.230 --> 01:06:02.230
you got all these tall buildings or concentrated

01:06:02.230 --> 01:06:06.789
work environments and And then you want to go

01:06:06.789 --> 01:06:09.909
into this 2D transport system, which is pretty

01:06:09.909 --> 01:06:12.929
low density, because cars are spaced out pretty

01:06:12.929 --> 01:06:17.030
far. And so that obviously is not going to work.

01:06:17.510 --> 01:06:19.550
You're going to have traffic guaranteed. But

01:06:19.550 --> 01:06:23.250
if you can go 3D on your transport system, then

01:06:23.250 --> 01:06:25.949
you can solve all traffic. You can either go

01:06:25.949 --> 01:06:29.489
3D up with a flying car, or you can go 3D down

01:06:29.489 --> 01:06:31.909
with tunnels. You can have as many tunnel levels

01:06:31.909 --> 01:06:36.480
as you want. arbitrarily relieve any amount of

01:06:36.480 --> 01:06:39.300
traffic. You can go further down with tunnels

01:06:39.300 --> 01:06:42.079
than you can go up with buildings. You're 10

01:06:42.079 --> 01:06:45.880
,000 feet down if you want. I wouldn't recommend

01:06:45.880 --> 01:06:49.099
it, but... What was that movie with, uh, what's

01:06:49.099 --> 01:06:51.300
-his -face? Bradley Coo - not Bradley Cooper.

01:06:52.239 --> 01:06:54.059
Uh, Christian - no, what the fuck's his name?

01:06:54.239 --> 01:06:57.360
Batman. Who is Batman? Christian Bale. Where

01:06:57.360 --> 01:07:00.219
he - they fought dragons? Him and Matthew McConaughey?

01:07:01.260 --> 01:07:03.639
They went down deep into the earth. How high

01:07:03.639 --> 01:07:06.260
how deep can you go with Batman? Yeah, it was

01:07:06.260 --> 01:07:09.539
it was Batman for dragons Batman, but it's Christian

01:07:09.539 --> 01:07:11.960
Bale rain of fire rain of fire. Okay, so that

01:07:11.960 --> 01:07:17.739
No Okay, but good I wouldn't recommend drilling

01:07:17.739 --> 01:07:21.179
super far down Yeah, it gets hot right molten.

01:07:21.340 --> 01:07:25.800
We're yeah earth is a giant ball of lava Mm -hmm

01:07:25.800 --> 01:07:29.019
with a thin crust on the top which we think of

01:07:29.019 --> 01:07:33.010
as like the surface This thin crust. And it's

01:07:33.010 --> 01:07:37.570
mostly just a big ball of lava. That's Earth.

01:07:38.630 --> 01:07:40.809
But 10 ,000 feet is not a big deal. Have you

01:07:40.809 --> 01:07:43.769
given any consideration whatsoever to the flat

01:07:43.769 --> 01:07:48.769
Earth movement? I think that's a troll situation.

01:07:49.050 --> 01:07:53.449
Oh, it's not. No, it's not. You would like to

01:07:53.449 --> 01:07:56.769
think that because you're super genius. But I,

01:07:56.889 --> 01:08:00.030
as a normal person, I know there's people way

01:08:00.030 --> 01:08:03.489
dumber than me. And they really, really believe.

01:08:04.090 --> 01:08:06.769
They watch YouTube videos which go on uninterrupted

01:08:06.769 --> 01:08:09.829
and spew out a bunch of fucking fake facts very

01:08:09.829 --> 01:08:13.829
eloquently and articulately. And they really

01:08:13.829 --> 01:08:16.050
believe. These people really believe. I mean,

01:08:16.050 --> 01:08:22.229
if it works for them, sure. Fine, fine. Weird

01:08:22.229 --> 01:08:25.680
though, right? That in this age where You know,

01:08:25.760 --> 01:08:28.159
there's ludicrous mode in your car, goes 1 .9

01:08:28.159 --> 01:08:33.439
seconds, 0 -60. 2 .2. 2 .2? Which one's 1 .9?

01:08:33.739 --> 01:08:35.619
The Roadster? Oh, the next generation Roadster.

01:08:36.100 --> 01:08:38.399
Standard edition. Yeah, I'm on top of this shit.

01:08:39.199 --> 01:08:40.659
That's just it. That's what that is. Standard

01:08:40.659 --> 01:08:42.359
edition. Yeah, so it's about the performance

01:08:42.359 --> 01:08:45.880
package. What? Performance package? Yeah. What

01:08:45.880 --> 01:08:47.779
the fuck do you need? We're gonna put rocket

01:08:47.779 --> 01:08:51.000
thrusters on it. For real? Yes. What are they

01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:55.420
gonna burn? Nothing. Ultra -high pressure. Compressed

01:08:55.420 --> 01:08:59.340
air well just air cold gas thrusters Did you

01:08:59.340 --> 01:09:01.340
have to have air tanks or they're sucking the

01:09:01.340 --> 01:09:03.640
air out of okay? Yeah, it's an electric pump

01:09:03.640 --> 01:09:06.600
Whoa pump it up to like 10 ,000 psi and how fast

01:09:06.600 --> 01:09:09.420
we talking zero to 60 how fast you want to go?

01:09:10.039 --> 01:09:12.060
I'm gonna go could make it just came why I want

01:09:12.060 --> 01:09:14.880
to go back in time make it fly you make it fly

01:09:14.880 --> 01:09:17.699
sure Do you anticipate that as being I mean you're

01:09:17.699 --> 01:09:19.319
talking about the tunnels and then flying cars

01:09:19.319 --> 01:09:21.300
Do you really think that's gonna be real too

01:09:21.300 --> 01:09:24.470
noisy and there's too much airflow? So the final

01:09:24.470 --> 01:09:28.630
issue with flying cars, if you get one of those

01:09:28.630 --> 01:09:34.430
toy drones, think of how loud those are and how

01:09:34.430 --> 01:09:37.029
much air they blow. Now imagine if that's a thousand

01:09:37.029 --> 01:09:40.449
times heavier. This is not going to make your

01:09:40.449 --> 01:09:43.130
neighbors happy. Your neighbors are not going

01:09:43.130 --> 01:09:44.989
to be happy if you land a flying car in your

01:09:44.989 --> 01:09:48.210
backyard. It'll be very helicopter -like. Or

01:09:48.210 --> 01:09:50.069
on your roof. They're just really going to be

01:09:50.069 --> 01:09:53.850
like, what the hell? That was annoying. You can't

01:09:53.850 --> 01:09:57.010
even look If you want a flying car just put some

01:09:57.010 --> 01:09:59.470
wheels on a helicopter Is there a way around

01:09:59.470 --> 01:10:01.609
that like what if they figure out some sort of

01:10:01.609 --> 01:10:04.789
magnetic technology like all those Bob Lazar

01:10:04.789 --> 01:10:06.750
type characters were thinking that was a part

01:10:06.750 --> 01:10:10.350
of the UFO technology they were doing an area

01:10:10.350 --> 01:10:13.109
51 remember didn't they have some some thoughts

01:10:13.109 --> 01:10:17.369
about? Magnetics nope no bullshit. Yes, really

01:10:17.369 --> 01:10:19.109
yeah, there's a fundamental momentum exchange

01:10:19.109 --> 01:10:25.100
with the air so you must You must accelerate

01:10:25.100 --> 01:10:27.479
you there's there's like there's there's a certain

01:10:27.479 --> 01:10:29.840
you have a mass and you have gravity gravitational

01:10:29.840 --> 01:10:36.399
acceleration and Mass mass times your mass times

01:10:36.399 --> 01:10:38.840
gravity must equal the mass of airflow times

01:10:38.840 --> 01:10:41.220
the acceleration of that airflow to have a neutral

01:10:41.220 --> 01:10:44.140
force So it's impossible to get around and then

01:10:44.140 --> 01:10:47.100
you won't move, but if mg is greater than ma

01:10:47.100 --> 01:10:50.659
you will go down And if ma is greater than mg

01:10:50.659 --> 01:10:53.829
you will go up That's how it works. There's just

01:10:53.829 --> 01:10:55.909
no way around that there is definitely no way

01:10:55.909 --> 01:10:57.770
around it There's no way to create some sort

01:10:57.770 --> 01:11:00.329
of a magnetic something or another that allows

01:11:00.329 --> 01:11:05.869
you to Technically yes, you you could have a

01:11:05.869 --> 01:11:13.010
strong enough Magnet But that magnet would be

01:11:13.010 --> 01:11:16.850
so strong That you would create a lot of trouble.

01:11:16.850 --> 01:11:20.890
We just suck cars up into your car Just pick

01:11:20.890 --> 01:11:25.390
up I mean, you'd have to repel off of either

01:11:25.390 --> 01:11:32.850
material on the ground or in a really nutty situation

01:11:32.850 --> 01:11:36.010
off of Earth's gravitational field and somehow

01:11:36.010 --> 01:11:39.449
make that incredibly light. But that magnet would

01:11:39.449 --> 01:11:41.829
cause so much destruction, you'd be better off

01:11:41.829 --> 01:11:45.869
with a helicopter. So if there was some sort

01:11:45.869 --> 01:11:49.550
of magnet road, like you have two magnets and

01:11:49.550 --> 01:11:51.600
they repel each other? If you had some sort of

01:11:51.600 --> 01:11:53.680
a magnet road that was below you, and you could

01:11:53.680 --> 01:11:57.000
travel on that magnet road, that would work.

01:11:57.859 --> 01:12:03.000
Ha ha ha. Yes. Yes, you could have a magnet road.

01:12:03.180 --> 01:12:05.899
A magnet road. Is that too ridiculous? No, it

01:12:05.899 --> 01:12:07.439
would work. You could do that. It's a bit ridiculous,

01:12:07.760 --> 01:12:10.060
too, right? I would not recommend it. There's

01:12:10.060 --> 01:12:12.000
a lot of things I don't recommend. I would not

01:12:12.000 --> 01:12:18.300
recommend that. Not wise, I think. No. No. No.

01:12:20.350 --> 01:12:22.989
Definitely not. Definitely not. That would cause

01:12:22.989 --> 01:12:25.069
a lot of trouble. So you've put some time and

01:12:25.069 --> 01:12:27.869
consideration into this other than, you know,

01:12:28.189 --> 01:12:31.409
instead of like my foolishly rendered thoughts.

01:12:31.770 --> 01:12:33.550
So you think that tunnels are the way to do it.

01:12:33.789 --> 01:12:37.850
Oh, it'll work for sure. That'll work. Yes. And

01:12:37.850 --> 01:12:41.569
these tunnels that you're building right now,

01:12:41.590 --> 01:12:43.529
these are basically just like test versions of

01:12:43.529 --> 01:12:47.760
this ultimate idea that you have? You know, it's

01:12:47.760 --> 01:12:50.399
just a hole in the ground, right? We played videos

01:12:50.399 --> 01:12:54.199
of it where you know drop that hole in the ground

01:12:54.199 --> 01:12:56.840
There's a sled on it and the sled goes very fast

01:12:56.840 --> 01:12:58.880
like a hundred miles an hour plus Yeah, you can

01:12:58.880 --> 01:13:01.920
go real fast. You know fast as you want And then

01:13:01.920 --> 01:13:04.140
if you want to go long distances, you can just

01:13:04.140 --> 01:13:06.140
draw the air out of the tunnel. Make sure it's

01:13:06.140 --> 01:13:09.960
real straight Draw the air in the tunnel. Yeah,

01:13:09.960 --> 01:13:14.159
it's a vacuum tunnel because the then and then

01:13:14.279 --> 01:13:15.520
Depending on how fast you want to go, you can

01:13:15.520 --> 01:13:18.960
use these wheels. Or you could use air bearings,

01:13:19.399 --> 01:13:21.640
depending upon the ambient pressure in the tunnel.

01:13:21.720 --> 01:13:25.039
Or you could maglev it if you want to go super

01:13:25.039 --> 01:13:30.739
fast. So a magnet road. Yes. But underground

01:13:30.739 --> 01:13:32.579
magnet roads. Underground magnet roads. Otherwise,

01:13:32.699 --> 01:13:34.300
you're going to really create a lot of trouble

01:13:34.300 --> 01:13:37.340
because of those metal things. So magnet road

01:13:37.340 --> 01:13:39.899
is the way to go, just underground. If you want

01:13:39.899 --> 01:13:43.619
to go really fast underground. You would be in,

01:13:43.899 --> 01:13:46.979
you would be maglev in a vacuum tunnel. Mag in

01:13:46.979 --> 01:13:49.500
a vacuum tunnel. Magnetic levitation in a vacuum

01:13:49.500 --> 01:13:52.220
tunnel. With rocket launchers. Pardon? With rocket

01:13:52.220 --> 01:13:54.279
launchers. No, I would not recommend putting

01:13:54.279 --> 01:13:58.279
any exhaust gas in the tunnel. Oh, okay. I see

01:13:58.279 --> 01:13:59.380
what you're saying. Because then you're going

01:13:59.380 --> 01:14:01.060
to have to pump it out. Right. You'll have to

01:14:01.060 --> 01:14:02.819
pump it out. And you probably have a limited

01:14:02.819 --> 01:14:04.159
amount of air in the first place. Like how much

01:14:04.159 --> 01:14:06.260
can you breathe? Do you have to pump oxygen into

01:14:06.260 --> 01:14:09.430
these cubicles? No, you have a pressurized pod.

01:14:09.529 --> 01:14:11.430
It'd be like a little tiny underground spaceship

01:14:11.430 --> 01:14:14.770
basically. Like an airplane. Because you have

01:14:14.770 --> 01:14:16.289
air in an airplane, it's not getting new air

01:14:16.289 --> 01:14:19.010
in. It is. It is? Yes. They have like a little

01:14:19.010 --> 01:14:21.789
hole? Yeah, they have a pump. Really? So it gets

01:14:21.789 --> 01:14:23.750
it from the outside? Yes. Wow, I didn't know

01:14:23.750 --> 01:14:29.029
that. Airplanes have it easy because essentially

01:14:29.029 --> 01:14:33.649
they're pretty leaky. Jesus. Yeah, but as long

01:14:33.649 --> 01:14:38.470
as the air pump is... Working at a decent speed.

01:14:38.609 --> 01:14:41.109
They have backup pumps. So they have like three

01:14:41.109 --> 01:14:44.310
pumps or four pumps or something. And then that,

01:14:44.649 --> 01:14:49.510
then there's like, it exhausts through the outflow

01:14:49.510 --> 01:14:54.090
valve and through whatever seals are not sealing

01:14:54.090 --> 01:14:56.310
quite right. Usually the door doesn't seal quite

01:14:56.310 --> 01:14:58.350
right on a plane. So there's a bit of leakage

01:14:58.350 --> 01:15:04.250
around the door. But the pumps exceed the outflow

01:15:04.250 --> 01:15:06.579
rate. And then that sets the pressure in the

01:15:06.579 --> 01:15:09.680
in the cabin. Now, have you ever looked at planes

01:15:09.680 --> 01:15:13.439
and gone? I could fix this. I just don't have

01:15:13.439 --> 01:15:17.460
time. I have a design for a plane. You do? Yes.

01:15:17.699 --> 01:15:21.619
A better design? I mean, probably. I think it

01:15:21.619 --> 01:15:26.140
is. Who have you talked to about this? And I've

01:15:26.140 --> 01:15:29.760
talked to friends, friends, friends, and I'm

01:15:29.760 --> 01:15:34.289
your friend, girlfriend. You can tell me. What

01:15:34.289 --> 01:15:37.390
do you got? What's going on? Well, I mean, the

01:15:37.390 --> 01:15:40.149
exciting thing to do would be some sort of electric

01:15:40.149 --> 01:15:43.310
vertical takeoff and landing supersonic jet of

01:15:43.310 --> 01:15:44.970
some kind. Vertical takeoff and landing, meaning

01:15:44.970 --> 01:15:47.250
no need for a runway. Just shoot up straight

01:15:47.250 --> 01:15:50.930
in the air, and then tchoo. Ooh. How would you

01:15:50.930 --> 01:15:55.109
do that? I mean, they do that on some military

01:15:55.109 --> 01:15:58.789
aircrafts, correct? Yes. The trick is that you

01:15:58.789 --> 01:16:03.800
have to transition to level flight. The thing

01:16:03.800 --> 01:16:07.720
that you would use for vertical takeoff and landing

01:16:07.720 --> 01:16:12.699
is not suitable for high -speed flight. So you

01:16:12.699 --> 01:16:15.100
have two different systems? I've thought about

01:16:15.100 --> 01:16:19.960
this quite a lot. Quite a lot. The interesting

01:16:19.960 --> 01:16:22.760
thing about an electric plane is that you want

01:16:22.760 --> 01:16:25.119
to go as high as possible, but you need a certain

01:16:25.119 --> 01:16:27.840
energy density in the battery pack because you

01:16:27.840 --> 01:16:30.159
have to overcome gravitational potential energy.

01:16:30.260 --> 01:16:31.819
Once you've overcome gravitational potential

01:16:31.819 --> 01:16:34.529
energy and you're at yet at a high altitude,

01:16:35.270 --> 01:16:38.689
the energy you use in cruise is very low. And

01:16:38.689 --> 01:16:41.989
then you can recapture a large part of the gravitational

01:16:41.989 --> 01:16:44.689
potential energy on the way down. So you really

01:16:44.689 --> 01:16:47.649
don't need any kind of reserve fuel, if you will,

01:16:47.689 --> 01:16:51.329
because you have the energy of height, gravitational

01:16:51.329 --> 01:16:56.329
potential energy. This is a lot of energy. So

01:16:56.329 --> 01:17:00.649
once you can get high, the way to think about

01:17:00.649 --> 01:17:03.560
a plane is it's a force balance. So the force

01:17:03.560 --> 01:17:08.260
balance, so a plane that is not accelerating

01:17:08.260 --> 01:17:12.800
is a neutral force balance. You have the force

01:17:12.800 --> 01:17:15.619
of gravity, you have the lift force of the wings,

01:17:16.600 --> 01:17:19.560
then you've got the force of the whatever thrusting

01:17:19.560 --> 01:17:23.720
device, the propeller or turbine or whatever

01:17:23.720 --> 01:17:26.739
it is, and you've got the resistance force of

01:17:26.739 --> 01:17:30.380
the air. Now the higher you go, the lower the

01:17:30.380 --> 01:17:33.949
air resistance is. Air density drops exponentially,

01:17:34.909 --> 01:17:37.789
but drag increases with the square, and exponential

01:17:37.789 --> 01:17:40.470
beats the square. The higher you go, the faster

01:17:40.470 --> 01:17:44.130
you will go for the same amount of energy. And

01:17:44.130 --> 01:17:47.050
at a certain altitude, you can go supersonic

01:17:47.050 --> 01:17:50.350
with less energy per mile, quite a lot less energy

01:17:50.350 --> 01:17:56.050
per mile, than an aircraft at 35 ,000 feet, because

01:17:56.050 --> 01:18:04.739
it's just a force balance. conversation it makes

01:18:04.739 --> 01:18:08.380
sense though no I'm sure it does now when you

01:18:08.380 --> 01:18:12.819
think about this new idea of designing you mean

01:18:12.819 --> 01:18:15.460
when when you have this idea about improving

01:18:15.460 --> 01:18:18.779
planes mm -hmm are you gonna bring this to somebody

01:18:18.779 --> 01:18:22.840
you just chuck a lot on my plate right that's

01:18:22.840 --> 01:18:26.140
what I'm saying I don't know I don't know how

01:18:26.140 --> 01:18:28.060
you do what you do now but if you keep coming

01:18:28.060 --> 01:18:30.760
up with these But it's got to be hard to pawn

01:18:30.760 --> 01:18:33.340
these off on someone else either hey go do a

01:18:33.340 --> 01:18:36.899
job a good job with this vertical Takeoff and

01:18:36.899 --> 01:18:39.699
landing system that I want to implement to regular

01:18:39.699 --> 01:18:44.119
planes The airplane electric airplane isn't necessary

01:18:44.119 --> 01:18:48.239
right now electric cars are important We solar

01:18:48.239 --> 01:18:50.899
energy is important Stationary storage of energy

01:18:50.899 --> 01:18:52.439
is important. These things are much more important

01:18:52.439 --> 01:18:58.189
than creating electric supersonic VTOL also The

01:18:58.189 --> 01:19:00.869
planes naturally you really want that gravitational

01:19:00.869 --> 01:19:03.789
energy density for an aircraft and this is improving

01:19:03.789 --> 01:19:08.050
over time. So You know, it's important that we

01:19:08.050 --> 01:19:10.090
accelerate the transition to sustainable energy

01:19:10.090 --> 01:19:13.529
That's why electric cars it matters whether electric

01:19:13.529 --> 01:19:17.550
cars happen sooner or later You know, we're really

01:19:17.550 --> 01:19:22.170
playing the crazy game here with the atmosphere

01:19:22.170 --> 01:19:25.829
and the oceans We're taking vast amounts of carbon

01:19:25.829 --> 01:19:32.090
from deep underground And putting this in the

01:19:32.090 --> 01:19:35.310
atmosphere, this is crazy. We should not do this.

01:19:36.350 --> 01:19:42.890
It's very dangerous. So we should accelerate

01:19:42.890 --> 01:19:47.630
the transition to sustainable energy. I mean,

01:19:47.989 --> 01:19:50.850
the bizarre thing is that obviously we're going

01:19:50.850 --> 01:19:54.789
to run out of oil in the long term. There's only

01:19:54.789 --> 01:19:58.979
so much oil we can... We can mine and burn. It's

01:19:58.979 --> 01:20:01.579
tautological. We must have a sustainable energy

01:20:01.579 --> 01:20:03.960
transport and energy infrastructure in the long

01:20:03.960 --> 01:20:06.000
term. So we know that's the end point. We know

01:20:06.000 --> 01:20:10.000
that. So why run this crazy experiment where

01:20:10.000 --> 01:20:12.680
we take trillions of tons of carbon from underground

01:20:12.680 --> 01:20:15.220
and put it in the atmosphere and oceans? This

01:20:15.220 --> 01:20:18.220
is an insane experiment. It's the dumbest experiment

01:20:18.220 --> 01:20:22.720
in human history. Why are we doing this? It's

01:20:22.720 --> 01:20:27.520
crazy. Do you think this is a product of momentum,

01:20:27.659 --> 01:20:29.600
that we started off doing this when it was just

01:20:29.600 --> 01:20:32.960
a few engines, a few hundred million gallons

01:20:32.960 --> 01:20:36.140
of fuel over the whole world, not that big of

01:20:36.140 --> 01:20:39.039
a deal, and then slowly but surely over a century

01:20:39.039 --> 01:20:43.140
it got out of control? And now it's not just

01:20:43.140 --> 01:20:49.220
our fuel, but it's also fossil fuels are involved

01:20:49.220 --> 01:20:52.720
in so many different electronics, so many different...

01:20:52.510 --> 01:20:55.409
items that people buy. It's just this constant

01:20:55.409 --> 01:20:58.810
desire for fossil fuels, constant need for oil

01:20:58.810 --> 01:21:02.729
without consideration of the sustainability.

01:21:03.189 --> 01:21:06.229
The things like oil, oil, coal, gas. It's the

01:21:06.229 --> 01:21:09.489
easy money. Right. It's easy money. So have you

01:21:09.489 --> 01:21:12.250
heard about clean coal? The president's been

01:21:12.250 --> 01:21:14.130
tweeting about it. It's got to be real. Clean

01:21:14.130 --> 01:21:16.609
coal, all caps. Did you see he used all caps.

01:21:18.210 --> 01:21:24.659
Clean coal. Well, You know, it's very difficult

01:21:24.659 --> 01:21:27.279
to put that co2 back in the ground. It doesn't

01:21:27.279 --> 01:21:31.220
like being in solid form Like some sort of a

01:21:31.220 --> 01:21:34.579
filter giant building sized filter sucks carbon

01:21:34.579 --> 01:21:39.000
out of the atmosphere No, it doesn't possible

01:21:39.000 --> 01:21:42.960
no, no, no, no definitely not fucked no, we're

01:21:42.960 --> 01:21:50.560
not fucked I Mean this is a quite a complex question,

01:21:50.680 --> 01:21:56.810
right? You know, we're really just The more carbon

01:21:56.810 --> 01:21:58.949
we take out of the ground and add to the atmosphere

01:21:58.949 --> 01:22:02.130
and a lot of it gets permeated into the oceans

01:22:02.130 --> 01:22:06.130
The more dangerous it is like I don't think right

01:22:06.130 --> 01:22:09.550
now. I think we're okay right now We can probably

01:22:09.550 --> 01:22:14.270
even add some more but the momentum towards sustainable

01:22:14.270 --> 01:22:19.529
energy is too slow like the There's a vast base

01:22:19.529 --> 01:22:24.210
of industry vast transportation system like this,

01:22:24.449 --> 01:22:26.229
there's two and a half billion cars and trucks

01:22:26.229 --> 01:22:30.949
in the world. And the new car and truck production,

01:22:31.189 --> 01:22:34.550
if it was 100 % electric, that's only about 100

01:22:34.550 --> 01:22:38.989
million per year. So it would take, if you could

01:22:38.989 --> 01:22:44.670
snap your fingers and instantly turn all cars

01:22:44.670 --> 01:22:47.729
and trucks electric, it would still take 25 years

01:22:47.729 --> 01:22:52.710
to change the transport base to electric. Makes

01:22:52.710 --> 01:22:54.930
sense because how long does a truck car truck

01:22:54.930 --> 01:22:56.989
last before it goes into the junkyard and gets

01:22:56.989 --> 01:23:00.569
crushed about 20 to 25 years? Is there a way

01:23:00.569 --> 01:23:03.550
to accelerate that process like some sort of

01:23:03.550 --> 01:23:06.489
subsidies or some encouragement from the government

01:23:06.489 --> 01:23:10.689
financially? Well the thing that is going on

01:23:10.689 --> 01:23:13.229
right now is that there is a an inherent subsidy

01:23:13.229 --> 01:23:17.710
in any oil -burning device any any power plant

01:23:17.710 --> 01:23:23.590
or car is fundamentally consuming the carbon

01:23:23.590 --> 01:23:27.569
capacity of the oceans and atmosphere. I'll just

01:23:27.569 --> 01:23:30.789
say atmosphere for short. So you can say, OK,

01:23:30.890 --> 01:23:36.189
there's a certain probability of something bad

01:23:36.189 --> 01:23:39.050
happening past a certain carbon concentration

01:23:39.050 --> 01:23:42.829
in the atmosphere. And so there's some uncertain

01:23:42.829 --> 01:23:46.750
number where if we put too much carbon in the

01:23:46.750 --> 01:23:52.180
atmosphere, things overheat. Oceans warm up.

01:23:52.500 --> 01:23:56.039
Ice caps melt. Ocean real estate becomes a lot

01:23:56.039 --> 01:24:02.399
less valuable. Something's under water. But it's

01:24:02.399 --> 01:24:04.220
not clear what that number is. But it's definitely

01:24:04.220 --> 01:24:14.300
a scientific consensus is overwhelming. I mean,

01:24:14.380 --> 01:24:17.310
I don't know any. serious scientists, actually

01:24:17.310 --> 01:24:22.470
zero, literally zero, who don't think that, you

01:24:22.470 --> 01:24:26.770
know, that we have quite a serious climate risk

01:24:26.770 --> 01:24:31.909
that we're facing. And so there's fundamentally

01:24:31.909 --> 01:24:37.010
a subsidy occurring with every fossil fuel burning

01:24:37.010 --> 01:24:43.109
thing, power plants, aircraft, car, frankly even

01:24:43.109 --> 01:24:46.939
rockets. I mean, rockets use up They burn fuel.

01:24:48.300 --> 01:24:51.180
But with rockets, there's just no other way to

01:24:51.180 --> 01:24:54.359
get to orbit, unfortunately. So it's the only

01:24:54.359 --> 01:24:57.420
way. But with cars, there's definitely a better

01:24:57.420 --> 01:25:01.699
way with electric cars. And to generate the energy,

01:25:02.119 --> 01:25:04.220
do so with photovoltaics, because we've got a

01:25:04.220 --> 01:25:06.420
giant thermonuclear reactor in the sky called

01:25:06.420 --> 01:25:10.960
the Sun. It's great. It shows up every day. Very

01:25:10.960 --> 01:25:14.439
reliable. So if you can generate energy from

01:25:14.439 --> 01:25:16.960
solar panels stored with batteries, you can have

01:25:16.960 --> 01:25:23.779
energy 24 hours a day. And then you can, you

01:25:23.779 --> 01:25:26.979
know, can send it to the poles or near to the

01:25:26.979 --> 01:25:30.979
north with, you know, high voltage lines. Also

01:25:30.979 --> 01:25:34.340
the northern parts of the world tend to have

01:25:34.340 --> 01:25:39.449
a lot of hydropower as well. But anyway, all

01:25:39.449 --> 01:25:41.810
fossil -fuel powered things have an inherent

01:25:41.810 --> 01:25:43.970
subsidy, which is their consumption of the carbon

01:25:43.970 --> 01:25:50.409
capacity of the atmosphere and oceans. So people

01:25:50.409 --> 01:25:53.310
tend to think like, why should electric vehicles

01:25:53.310 --> 01:25:55.970
have a subsidy? But they're not taking into account

01:25:55.970 --> 01:26:01.630
that all fossil -fuel burning vehicles fundamentally

01:26:01.630 --> 01:26:05.949
are subsidized by the environmental cost to Earth.

01:26:08.300 --> 01:26:10.460
But nobody's paying for it. We are going to pay

01:26:10.460 --> 01:26:13.079
for it obviously in the future. We will pay for

01:26:13.079 --> 01:26:17.560
it It's just not paid for now Now what is the

01:26:17.560 --> 01:26:21.439
bottleneck in regards to electric cars and trucks

01:26:21.439 --> 01:26:23.760
and things like that? Is it battery capacity?

01:26:25.699 --> 01:26:28.520
Yeah, I've got to scale up production gonna make

01:26:28.520 --> 01:26:33.399
the car compelling make it better than Gasoline

01:26:33.399 --> 01:26:35.579
or diesel cars make it more efficient in terms

01:26:35.579 --> 01:26:37.640
of like the distance it can travel Yeah, I gotta

01:26:37.640 --> 01:26:40.479
be able to go far far enough recharge fast and

01:26:40.479 --> 01:26:43.340
your roadster. You're you're anticipating 600

01:26:43.340 --> 01:26:48.300
miles. Is that correct? Yeah, yeah, what is it?

01:26:48.359 --> 01:26:50.579
What is that right now? Like have you driven

01:26:50.579 --> 01:26:53.520
one 600 miles now? No, we could totally make

01:26:53.520 --> 01:26:55.239
one right now that would do 600 miles, but the

01:26:55.239 --> 01:26:58.939
thing is too expensive. So Like the cars better

01:26:58.939 --> 01:27:02.319
more so Well, you know, it's just have a turn

01:27:02.319 --> 01:27:04.279
to kill what our pat battery pack and you can

01:27:04.279 --> 01:27:11.239
go 600 miles What do you have now? 330 mile range

01:27:11.239 --> 01:27:13.180
that's planning for my range. What is that in

01:27:13.180 --> 01:27:17.420
terms of kilowatts? Well, that would be for a

01:27:17.420 --> 01:27:21.319
model s 100 kilowatt hour pack will do about

01:27:21.319 --> 01:27:24.380
330 miles maybe 335 but some people have hyper

01:27:24.380 --> 01:27:27.779
milded to 500 miles hyper mild it would yeah,

01:27:27.779 --> 01:27:30.960
I just like go on 45 miles an hour or something?

01:27:31.119 --> 01:27:33.020
Yeah, they're like 30 miles an hour. It's like

01:27:33.020 --> 01:27:36.739
on level ground with you pump the tires up really

01:27:36.739 --> 01:27:39.520
well and go on a smooth surface and you can go

01:27:39.520 --> 01:27:42.939
for a long time. But you can like definitely

01:27:42.939 --> 01:27:46.399
comfortably do 300 miles. This is fine for most

01:27:46.399 --> 01:27:50.579
people. Usually 200 or 250 miles is fine. 300

01:27:50.579 --> 01:27:53.460
miles is, you don't even think about it really.

01:27:53.609 --> 01:27:55.569
Is there any possibility that you could use solar

01:27:55.569 --> 01:27:59.350
powered one day, especially in Los Angeles? I

01:27:59.350 --> 01:28:01.149
mean, as you said about that giant nuclear reactor

01:28:01.149 --> 01:28:02.829
a million times bigger than Earth just floating

01:28:02.829 --> 01:28:05.890
in the sky. Is it possible that one day you'll

01:28:05.890 --> 01:28:08.569
be able to just power all these cars just on

01:28:08.569 --> 01:28:11.130
solar power? I mean, we don't ever have cloudy

01:28:11.130 --> 01:28:15.250
days. If we do, there's three of them. Well,

01:28:15.609 --> 01:28:19.909
the surface area of a car is, without making

01:28:19.909 --> 01:28:23.250
the car really blocky, Or having some like a

01:28:23.250 --> 01:28:26.289
g -wagon. Yeah like and just like I've been look

01:28:26.289 --> 01:28:28.029
a lot of surf sir We're like maybe like solar

01:28:28.029 --> 01:28:30.470
panels fold out or something like your e -class.

01:28:30.630 --> 01:28:34.130
Haha. That's what we needed The e -type yeah

01:28:34.130 --> 01:28:37.909
that the e Jaguar e -type with a giant long hood

01:28:37.909 --> 01:28:40.770
that could be a giant solar panel well at the

01:28:40.770 --> 01:28:42.770
beginning of Tesla I did want to have this like

01:28:42.770 --> 01:28:45.729
Unfolding solar panel thing they'd press a button

01:28:45.729 --> 01:28:47.829
and it would just like unfold these solar panels

01:28:47.829 --> 01:28:50.090
and like charge Recharge your car in the parking

01:28:50.090 --> 01:28:53.949
lot Yeah, we could do that, but I think it's

01:28:53.949 --> 01:28:55.890
probably better to just put that on your roof,

01:28:56.010 --> 01:28:58.869
right? And then it's gonna just be facing the

01:28:58.869 --> 01:29:00.590
Sun all the time because like otherwise your

01:29:00.590 --> 01:29:02.050
car could be in the shade You know could be in

01:29:02.050 --> 01:29:03.470
the shade it could be in a garage or something

01:29:03.470 --> 01:29:05.430
like that Yeah, didn't a Fisker have that on

01:29:05.430 --> 01:29:09.310
the roof the Fisker Karma new generation for

01:29:09.310 --> 01:29:13.430
I believe it was only for the The radio is that

01:29:13.430 --> 01:29:16.449
correct? Yeah, I mean I think it could like recharge

01:29:16.449 --> 01:29:18.130
like two miles a day or something Did you laugh

01:29:18.130 --> 01:29:19.590
when they started blowing up when they get hit

01:29:19.590 --> 01:29:22.510
with water? Do you remember what happened? They

01:29:22.510 --> 01:29:26.390
got the what? Yeah, the when they had a dealership

01:29:26.390 --> 01:29:29.229
or oh, yeah Fisker Karma's were parked. Is that

01:29:29.229 --> 01:29:32.569
like that with a flood in? Yes. Yes when the

01:29:32.569 --> 01:29:35.189
the hurricane came in they got overwhelmed with

01:29:35.189 --> 01:29:37.329
water and they all started exploding this fucking

01:29:37.329 --> 01:29:39.949
great video of it Did you watch the video? I

01:29:39.949 --> 01:29:42.270
didn't watch the video, but I did see a picture

01:29:42.270 --> 01:29:46.630
of the ass. I'm naked lubed up Watch that video

01:29:46.630 --> 01:29:49.710
laugh my ass off. They all blow up. They got

01:29:49.710 --> 01:29:52.430
wet and they blew up. That's not good Yeah, we

01:29:52.430 --> 01:29:54.010
made our battery waterproof. So that doesn't

01:29:54.010 --> 01:29:58.130
happen smart move Yeah, there's a guy in Kazakhstan

01:29:58.130 --> 01:30:03.609
that I Think it's Kazakhstan that he he just

01:30:03.609 --> 01:30:06.029
boated through a tunnel under underwater tunnel

01:30:06.029 --> 01:30:10.050
like a flooded tunnel and just Turn the wheels

01:30:10.050 --> 01:30:12.829
to steer and press the accelerator and it just

01:30:13.300 --> 01:30:15.439
Floated through the tunnel and he's Wow steered

01:30:15.439 --> 01:30:17.920
around the other cars. You're like, that's amazing.

01:30:17.960 --> 01:30:21.239
It's on the internet What happens if your car

01:30:21.239 --> 01:30:23.340
gets a little sideways? Like if you're driving

01:30:23.340 --> 01:30:25.760
in snow, like what if you're driving if your

01:30:25.760 --> 01:30:29.500
autopilot is on and you're in like Denver and

01:30:29.500 --> 01:30:32.279
it snows out And your car gets a little sideways.

01:30:33.020 --> 01:30:35.079
Does it correct itself? Does it? Oh, yeah, it's

01:30:35.079 --> 01:30:37.319
got great traction control, but does it know

01:30:37.319 --> 01:30:39.340
how to like correct? Do you know how like oh,

01:30:39.479 --> 01:30:41.239
yeah ass and kicks out. You know how to counter

01:30:41.239 --> 01:30:43.600
steer Oh, yeah, no, it's really good. It knows

01:30:43.600 --> 01:30:46.920
how to do it. Yeah, whoa It's pretty crazy. That's

01:30:46.920 --> 01:30:50.060
pretty crazy. Yeah, so like if you're going sideways,

01:30:50.340 --> 01:30:54.079
it knows how to correct itself It generally won't

01:30:54.079 --> 01:30:57.479
go sideways. It won't now why not it will correct

01:30:57.479 --> 01:30:59.640
itself before it goes sideways even in black

01:30:59.640 --> 01:31:03.979
eyes Yeah, you this videos we could see the car

01:31:03.979 --> 01:31:11.819
the Traction control system is Very good. It

01:31:11.819 --> 01:31:14.600
makes you feel like Superman. It's great you

01:31:14.600 --> 01:31:18.000
like Feel like you're gonna like it will make

01:31:18.000 --> 01:31:20.060
you feel like this incredible driver. I believe

01:31:20.060 --> 01:31:22.460
it Yeah, now. How do you program what we do our

01:31:22.460 --> 01:31:25.720
testing on like an ice lake in Sweden? Oh, really?

01:31:25.880 --> 01:31:28.439
Yeah, and like Norway and Canada and a few other

01:31:28.439 --> 01:31:30.920
places Porsche does a lot of that too as well

01:31:30.920 --> 01:31:33.180
They do a lot of their they do some of their

01:31:33.180 --> 01:31:36.399
driver training school on these frozen surfaces.

01:31:36.680 --> 01:31:39.979
So you're just The car is going sideways whether

01:31:39.979 --> 01:31:41.520
you like it or not, and you have to learn how

01:31:41.520 --> 01:31:46.100
to slide into corners and how to adjust. Well,

01:31:46.300 --> 01:31:48.380
electric cars have really great traction control

01:31:48.380 --> 01:31:51.739
because the reaction time is so fast. So with

01:31:51.739 --> 01:31:53.600
a gasoline car, you've got a lot of latency.

01:31:54.239 --> 01:31:59.260
It takes a while for the engine to react, but

01:31:59.260 --> 01:32:07.840
electric motor is incredibly precise. If you

01:32:07.840 --> 01:32:11.500
had like a printer or something, you wouldn't

01:32:11.500 --> 01:32:13.500
have a gasoline engine printer. That would be

01:32:13.500 --> 01:32:17.380
pretty weird. Or like a surgical device. It's

01:32:17.380 --> 01:32:20.859
going to be an electric motor on the surgical

01:32:20.859 --> 01:32:24.220
device on the printer. The gasoline engine's

01:32:24.220 --> 01:32:26.859
going to be just chugging away. It's not going

01:32:26.859 --> 01:32:29.640
to have the reaction time. But to an electric

01:32:29.640 --> 01:32:32.340
motor, it's operating at the millisecond level.

01:32:33.100 --> 01:32:39.039
So it can turn on and off traction. Within like

01:32:39.039 --> 01:32:40.819
inches of getting on the honest like let's say

01:32:40.819 --> 01:32:43.380
drive a patch of ice It'll turn traction off

01:32:43.380 --> 01:32:45.960
and then turn it on a couple inches right after

01:32:45.960 --> 01:32:50.920
the ice like a little patch of ice Because in

01:32:50.920 --> 01:32:54.680
the frame of the electric motor You're moving

01:32:54.680 --> 01:32:57.279
incredibly slowly. You're like a snake. It's

01:32:57.279 --> 01:33:02.140
you're a snail You're just moving so slowly Because

01:33:02.140 --> 01:33:05.159
it's it's it can see at a thousand frames a second

01:33:06.479 --> 01:33:10.300
It's like say one Mississippi It just thought

01:33:10.300 --> 01:33:13.159
about things a thousand times so it's realized

01:33:13.159 --> 01:33:15.800
that your wheels are not getting traction It

01:33:15.800 --> 01:33:17.479
understands. There's some slippery surface that

01:33:17.479 --> 01:33:19.600
you're driving on yes, and it makes adjustments

01:33:19.600 --> 01:33:24.239
in real time. Yes and milliseconds That would

01:33:24.239 --> 01:33:27.720
be so much safer than a regular car Yes, it is

01:33:27.720 --> 01:33:30.600
just that alone for loved ones. You'd want them

01:33:30.600 --> 01:33:35.289
to be driving your car Yes on board Fuck motors.

01:33:35.529 --> 01:33:41.890
Fuck regular motors. The S, X, and 3 have the

01:33:41.890 --> 01:33:44.289
lowest probability of injury of any cars ever

01:33:44.289 --> 01:33:51.010
tested by the U .S. government. Wow. Yeah. It's

01:33:51.010 --> 01:33:54.930
pretty crazy. People still sue us. They'll have

01:33:54.930 --> 01:33:58.310
some accident at 60 miles an hour where they've

01:33:58.310 --> 01:34:02.829
twisted an ankle and they'll be dead in another

01:34:02.829 --> 01:34:05.640
car. They still sue us. But that's to be expected,

01:34:05.859 --> 01:34:08.859
isn't it? It is to be expected. Do you take that

01:34:08.859 --> 01:34:13.659
into account with like the same sort of fatalistic,

01:34:13.659 --> 01:34:16.399
you know, undertones just sort of just go, uh,

01:34:17.380 --> 01:34:19.340
you got to just let it go. This is what people

01:34:19.340 --> 01:34:22.420
do. So yeah, I've got quite a lot of respect

01:34:22.420 --> 01:34:24.640
for the justice system. Judges are very smart

01:34:24.640 --> 01:34:28.720
and they see they as like I haven't so far I've

01:34:28.720 --> 01:34:31.539
found judges to be very good at justice because

01:34:31.539 --> 01:34:36.270
I like blackboard. like and juries are good too

01:34:36.270 --> 01:34:39.069
like they're actually quite good um you know

01:34:39.069 --> 01:34:43.329
people you know you read about like occasional

01:34:43.329 --> 01:34:45.069
errors in the justice system let me tell you

01:34:45.069 --> 01:34:48.250
most of the time they're very good um and like

01:34:48.250 --> 01:34:50.850
the you know the guy mentioned that who fell

01:34:50.850 --> 01:34:54.430
asleep in the car and you he rode over a cyclist

01:34:54.430 --> 01:34:58.409
and you know and and that was what encouraged

01:34:58.409 --> 01:35:01.630
me to get autopilot out as soon as possible that

01:35:01.630 --> 01:35:05.500
guy sued us He sued you for falling asleep. Yes.

01:35:06.619 --> 01:35:08.659
I'm not kidding. He blamed it on the new car

01:35:08.659 --> 01:35:14.380
smell. What? Yes. He blamed him falling asleep

01:35:14.380 --> 01:35:18.539
on your new car smell. This is a real thing that

01:35:18.539 --> 01:35:19.899
happened. Somewhere there's a lawyer that thought

01:35:19.899 --> 01:35:21.960
that through in front of his laptop before he

01:35:21.960 --> 01:35:25.460
wrote that up. Yes. He got a lawyer and he sued

01:35:25.460 --> 01:35:29.539
us. And the judge was like, this is crazy. Stop

01:35:29.539 --> 01:35:33.380
bothering me. No. Thank God. Yes. Thank God.

01:35:33.560 --> 01:35:35.439
Thank God there's a judge out there with a brain.

01:35:36.119 --> 01:35:38.520
I'm telling you, judges are very good. Some of

01:35:38.520 --> 01:35:40.800
them. What about that judge that sent those boys

01:35:40.800 --> 01:35:43.739
up the river in Pennsylvania who was selling

01:35:43.739 --> 01:35:45.960
those kids out? You know about that story? No.

01:35:46.100 --> 01:35:48.880
Yeah, judge was selling young boys to prisons.

01:35:49.600 --> 01:35:52.520
He was like literally, yeah, literally under

01:35:52.520 --> 01:35:55.800
bribes for, he was... Was this an elected judge

01:35:55.800 --> 01:36:00.140
or... Have a judge that's like actually a politician.

01:36:00.140 --> 01:36:02.380
No, he's elected judge This is a very famous

01:36:02.380 --> 01:36:05.300
story who he's in jail right now I think for

01:36:05.300 --> 01:36:08.460
the rest of his life and he put away he would

01:36:08.460 --> 01:36:10.560
take like a young boy would do something like

01:36:10.560 --> 01:36:12.760
steal something from a store, okay, and he would

01:36:12.760 --> 01:36:15.340
put him in detention for you know, five years

01:36:15.340 --> 01:36:19.460
something were ridiculously egregious and They

01:36:19.460 --> 01:36:21.699
investigated his history and they found out that

01:36:21.699 --> 01:36:25.180
he was literally being paid off Was it by private

01:36:25.180 --> 01:36:27.899
prisons? Is that what the the deal was? There

01:36:27.899 --> 01:36:31.359
was some sort of but anyway, this judge is two

01:36:31.359 --> 01:36:33.899
judges who judges kids for cash scandals what's

01:36:33.899 --> 01:36:38.579
called 2008? Yeah common, please judges So I

01:36:38.579 --> 01:36:40.979
think they are elected and who was paying them

01:36:40.979 --> 01:36:46.819
Someone it was proven to the point where they're

01:36:46.819 --> 01:36:50.840
in jail now that someone was paying them to put

01:36:50.840 --> 01:36:54.140
more asses in the seats in these private prisons.

01:36:54.579 --> 01:36:56.659
A million dollar payment to put him in a youth

01:36:56.659 --> 01:36:59.659
centers builder. A million dollar payment. I

01:36:59.659 --> 01:37:02.079
do think it's this private prisons thing is creating

01:37:02.079 --> 01:37:08.060
a bad incentive. Yes. But I mean that judge is

01:37:08.060 --> 01:37:12.539
in prison. Thank God. Yes. But for people who

01:37:12.539 --> 01:37:15.079
think perhaps the justice system consists entirely

01:37:15.079 --> 01:37:17.220
of judges like that I want to assure you this

01:37:17.220 --> 01:37:19.750
is not the case. The vast majority of judges

01:37:19.750 --> 01:37:22.569
are very good. I agree. And they care about justice

01:37:22.569 --> 01:37:24.310
and they could have made a lot more money if

01:37:24.310 --> 01:37:26.670
they wanted to be a trial lawyer. And instead

01:37:26.670 --> 01:37:28.729
they cared about justice and they made less money

01:37:28.729 --> 01:37:30.670
because they care about justice. And that's why

01:37:30.670 --> 01:37:32.710
they're judges. I feel that same way about police

01:37:32.710 --> 01:37:35.229
officers. I feel like there's so many interactions

01:37:35.229 --> 01:37:37.649
with so many different people with police officers

01:37:37.649 --> 01:37:40.949
that the very few that stand out that are horrific.

01:37:41.369 --> 01:37:44.210
We tend to look at that like this is evidence

01:37:44.210 --> 01:37:46.069
that police are all corrupt and I think that's

01:37:46.069 --> 01:37:54.600
crazy. No, most police are very honest. And the

01:37:54.600 --> 01:37:57.680
military personnel that I know are very honorable,

01:37:57.840 --> 01:38:00.039
ethical people, and much more honorable and ethical

01:38:00.039 --> 01:38:01.899
than the average person. That's my impression.

01:38:02.020 --> 01:38:04.500
That is my impression as well. And that's not

01:38:04.500 --> 01:38:07.439
to suggest that we be complacent and assume everyone's

01:38:07.439 --> 01:38:09.760
honest and ethical. And obviously, if somebody

01:38:09.760 --> 01:38:14.479
is given a trusted place in society, such as

01:38:14.479 --> 01:38:16.479
being a police officer or a judge, and they are

01:38:16.479 --> 01:38:18.699
corrupted, then we must be extra vigilant against

01:38:18.699 --> 01:38:22.619
such situations and take action. But we should

01:38:22.619 --> 01:38:25.119
not think that this is somehow broadly descriptive

01:38:25.119 --> 01:38:27.420
of people in that profession. I couldn't agree

01:38:27.420 --> 01:38:30.920
more. I think there's also an issue with one

01:38:30.920 --> 01:38:33.180
of the things that happens with police officers,

01:38:33.500 --> 01:38:36.300
prosecutors, and anyone that's trying to convict

01:38:36.300 --> 01:38:38.560
someone or arrest someone is that it becomes

01:38:38.560 --> 01:38:41.260
a game. And in games, people want to win, and

01:38:41.260 --> 01:38:46.689
sometimes people cheat. Yes. Yes, I mean, if

01:38:46.689 --> 01:38:49.189
you're a prosecutor, you should not always want

01:38:49.189 --> 01:38:51.409
to win. There are times when you should like,

01:38:51.949 --> 01:38:55.250
OK, I should not want to win this case, and then

01:38:55.250 --> 01:38:58.149
just pass on that case. Sometimes people want

01:38:58.149 --> 01:39:02.210
to win too much. That is true. I think also it

01:39:02.210 --> 01:39:05.590
becomes tough. If you're like a district attorney,

01:39:07.189 --> 01:39:12.369
you tend to sort of see a lot of criminals. your

01:39:12.369 --> 01:39:15.029
view of the world can get negatively, you can

01:39:15.029 --> 01:39:21.170
have a negative view of the world because you're

01:39:21.170 --> 01:39:23.250
just interacting with a lot of criminals, but

01:39:23.250 --> 01:39:25.789
actually most of society is not consists of criminals.

01:39:26.630 --> 01:39:28.369
And I actually had this conversation at dinner

01:39:28.369 --> 01:39:30.789
several years ago with Assistant Attorney, I

01:39:30.789 --> 01:39:33.289
was like, man, it must sometimes seem pretty

01:39:33.289 --> 01:39:38.369
dark because, man, there's some terrible human

01:39:38.369 --> 01:39:42.029
beings out there. And he was like, yep. And he

01:39:42.029 --> 01:39:44.489
was like dealing with some case which consisted

01:39:44.489 --> 01:39:49.270
of a couple of old ladies that would run people

01:39:49.270 --> 01:39:52.470
over somehow for insurance money. It was rough.

01:39:53.470 --> 01:39:58.130
I was like, wow, that's pretty rough. It's like

01:39:58.130 --> 01:40:00.029
hard to maintain faith in humanity if you're

01:40:00.029 --> 01:40:03.670
a district attorney. But you know, it's only

01:40:03.670 --> 01:40:06.510
a few percent of society that are actually...

01:40:06.560 --> 01:40:10.119
And then if you go to the worst, say, 0 .1 %

01:40:10.119 --> 01:40:13.819
of society or the worst one in a thousand, one

01:40:13.819 --> 01:40:17.420
in a million, you know, like how bad is the millionth

01:40:17.420 --> 01:40:19.899
worst person in the United States? Pretty damn

01:40:19.899 --> 01:40:25.760
bad. Like damn evil. Like the millionth, like

01:40:25.760 --> 01:40:28.260
the millionth, well, one in a million of evil

01:40:28.260 --> 01:40:32.479
is so evil, people cannot even conceive of it.

01:40:33.319 --> 01:40:36.020
But there's 330 million people in the United

01:40:36.020 --> 01:40:38.920
States, so that's 330 people out there somewhere.

01:40:40.979 --> 01:40:43.460
By the same token, there's also 330 people who

01:40:43.460 --> 01:40:47.319
are incredible angels and unbelievably good human

01:40:47.319 --> 01:40:51.100
beings. On the other side. But because of our

01:40:51.100 --> 01:40:55.039
fear of danger, we tend to... our thoughts tend

01:40:55.039 --> 01:40:56.960
to gravitate towards the worst -case scenario.

01:40:57.000 --> 01:40:59.380
Yes. And we want to frame that. And it's one

01:40:59.380 --> 01:41:01.960
of the real problems with prejudice. Whether

01:41:01.960 --> 01:41:05.659
it's prejudice towards different minorities or

01:41:05.659 --> 01:41:07.899
prejudice towards police officers or anything,

01:41:08.420 --> 01:41:09.720
it's like we want to look at the worst -case

01:41:09.720 --> 01:41:12.180
scenario and say, this is an example of what

01:41:12.180 --> 01:41:14.859
this is all about. And you see that. even with

01:41:14.859 --> 01:41:18.340
people, how they frame genders. Some men frame

01:41:18.340 --> 01:41:20.500
women like that. They get ripped off by a few

01:41:20.500 --> 01:41:22.460
women, and they decide all women are evil. Some

01:41:22.460 --> 01:41:24.399
women get fucked over by a few men, all men are

01:41:24.399 --> 01:41:29.699
shit. And this is very toxic. And it's also a

01:41:29.699 --> 01:41:33.439
very unbalanced way of viewing the world, and

01:41:33.439 --> 01:41:35.819
it's very emotionally based, and it's based on

01:41:35.819 --> 01:41:37.960
your own experience, your own anecdotal experience.

01:41:39.210 --> 01:41:42.010
It can be very influential to the people around

01:41:42.010 --> 01:41:45.289
you and it's just, it's a dangerous way, it's

01:41:45.289 --> 01:41:47.750
a dangerous thought process and pattern to promote.

01:41:48.029 --> 01:41:50.229
It is. It is a very dangerous thought pattern.

01:41:50.369 --> 01:41:53.630
I really think, you know, people should give

01:41:53.630 --> 01:41:56.430
other people the benefit of the doubt and assume

01:41:56.430 --> 01:41:59.130
that they're good until proven otherwise. And

01:41:59.130 --> 01:42:01.689
I think really most people are actually pretty

01:42:01.689 --> 01:42:05.380
good people. Nobody's perfect. They have to be.

01:42:05.600 --> 01:42:07.640
If you think of the vast numbers of us that are

01:42:07.640 --> 01:42:10.119
just interacting with each other constantly,

01:42:10.439 --> 01:42:14.000
we have to be better than we think we are. There's

01:42:14.000 --> 01:42:15.600
no other way. I mean, here are these weapons,

01:42:15.819 --> 01:42:17.560
but how many times, like, nobody's presumably

01:42:17.560 --> 01:42:19.060
tried to murder you in your institute? Nobody

01:42:19.060 --> 01:42:21.100
yet. Yes, nobody's, like, put the swords right

01:42:21.100 --> 01:42:22.319
there. Now there's a flamethrower. Fake flamethrower

01:42:22.319 --> 01:42:24.260
here. Exactly. Not a flamethrower. Now we've

01:42:24.260 --> 01:42:25.659
got a real problem. I'm gonna put it on that

01:42:25.659 --> 01:42:27.000
side, too. I'm gonna leave it for the guests.

01:42:27.859 --> 01:42:29.960
Yeah. I'm like, look man, if I say something

01:42:29.960 --> 01:42:32.359
that fucked up, it's right there. So they're

01:42:32.359 --> 01:42:35.800
livin' things up for sure. Guaranteed to make

01:42:35.800 --> 01:42:38.539
any party better. Yeah. Well, that's, I mean,

01:42:38.739 --> 01:42:42.239
that's the armed civilization theory, right?

01:42:42.560 --> 01:42:46.760
That an armed community is a safe and polite

01:42:46.760 --> 01:42:50.340
community. Yeah. You ever been to Texas? It's

01:42:50.340 --> 01:42:54.470
kinda true. Yeah, I mean... People in Texas are

01:42:54.470 --> 01:42:57.409
super polite, and everyone's got a gun. Yes.

01:42:58.750 --> 01:43:01.329
Don't make somebody angry. Don't know what's

01:43:01.329 --> 01:43:02.890
going to happen. Yeah, it's not a good move.

01:43:03.170 --> 01:43:04.989
Yeah. Piss people off when everybody can have

01:43:04.989 --> 01:43:07.250
a gun. You're off to just let that guy get in

01:43:07.250 --> 01:43:11.310
your lane. Yeah. Yeah. You know, we've got a

01:43:11.310 --> 01:43:15.510
big test site in central Texas near Waco. Oh,

01:43:15.510 --> 01:43:19.229
beautiful. Yeah, SpaceX in McGregor. It's about

01:43:19.229 --> 01:43:21.010
15 minutes away from Waco. That's close to where

01:43:21.010 --> 01:43:24.399
Ted Nugent lives. Shout out to Ted Nuget. Okay,

01:43:24.420 --> 01:43:30.640
cool. We have lots of fire and loud explosions

01:43:30.640 --> 01:43:32.439
and things and people are cool with it. They

01:43:32.439 --> 01:43:34.739
don't give a fuck out there. They're very supportive.

01:43:35.460 --> 01:43:38.140
You can buy fireworks where your kids go to school.

01:43:39.880 --> 01:43:44.239
It's dangerous. Yeah, but it's free. There's

01:43:44.239 --> 01:43:46.640
something about Texas that's very enticing because

01:43:46.640 --> 01:43:49.779
of that. It is dangerous, but it's also free.

01:43:49.859 --> 01:43:53.250
Right. Yeah. I kind of like Texas, actually.

01:43:53.470 --> 01:43:56.470
Well, I prefer it over places that are more restrictive,

01:43:57.010 --> 01:44:00.670
but more liberal, because you could always be

01:44:00.670 --> 01:44:03.710
liberal. Just because things are free, and just

01:44:03.710 --> 01:44:05.970
because you have a certain amount of right -wing

01:44:05.970 --> 01:44:08.310
type characters, it doesn't mean you have to

01:44:08.310 --> 01:44:11.189
be that way. And honestly, there's a lot of those

01:44:11.189 --> 01:44:12.789
people that are pretty fucking open -minded and

01:44:12.789 --> 01:44:14.890
let you do whatever you want to do, as long as

01:44:14.890 --> 01:44:19.229
you don't bother them. Yeah, exactly. That's

01:44:19.229 --> 01:44:22.819
my hope. right now with um the way we're able

01:44:22.819 --> 01:44:24.739
to communicate with each other today and how

01:44:24.739 --> 01:44:26.920
radically different it is than generations past

01:44:26.920 --> 01:44:30.239
is that we all just the dust settles and we all

01:44:30.239 --> 01:44:32.920
realize like like what you were saying that most

01:44:32.920 --> 01:44:35.859
people are good most people are good the vast

01:44:35.859 --> 01:44:37.739
majority yes i think you should get people to

01:44:37.739 --> 01:44:40.260
benefit out for sure i think you're right yeah

01:44:40.260 --> 01:44:44.880
you know what could help that mushrooms don't

01:44:44.880 --> 01:44:49.000
you think they're delicious yeah right yeah they're

01:44:49.000 --> 01:44:53.180
good for you too yeah all of them all kinds of

01:44:53.180 --> 01:44:58.479
them um what do you see in terms of like when

01:44:58.479 --> 01:45:00.239
you think about the future of your companies

01:45:00.239 --> 01:45:03.119
what do you see as like bottlenecks what's more

01:45:03.119 --> 01:45:07.899
sure thank you What do you see in terms of like

01:45:07.899 --> 01:45:10.199
bottlenecks of things that are that are holding

01:45:10.199 --> 01:45:14.220
back innovation is it? regulatory commissions

01:45:14.220 --> 01:45:16.720
and and people that don't understand the technology

01:45:16.720 --> 01:45:21.079
that are Influencing policy like what what what

01:45:21.079 --> 01:45:23.300
could potentially be holding you guys back right

01:45:23.300 --> 01:45:29.479
now Is there anything that you would change yeah,

01:45:29.479 --> 01:45:37.500
that's good question You know, I wish politicians

01:45:37.500 --> 01:45:39.859
were better at science. That would help a lot.

01:45:40.439 --> 01:45:44.159
That's a problem. Yes. There's no incentive for

01:45:44.159 --> 01:45:48.180
them to be good at science. There isn't. Actually,

01:45:48.260 --> 01:45:49.960
you know, they're pretty good at science in China,

01:45:50.140 --> 01:45:54.439
I have to say. Yeah, the mayor of Beijing is,

01:45:54.439 --> 01:45:56.319
I believe, an environmental engineering degree,

01:45:56.539 --> 01:45:58.880
and the deputy mayor has a physics degree. I

01:45:58.880 --> 01:46:03.119
met them. And the mayor of Shanghai is Really

01:46:03.119 --> 01:46:05.439
smart and you're up on technology. What do you

01:46:05.439 --> 01:46:08.720
think about this government? policy of stopping

01:46:08.720 --> 01:46:12.199
use of Huawei phones and there's there's something

01:46:12.199 --> 01:46:16.960
about the the the worry about Spying is I mean

01:46:16.960 --> 01:46:19.640
from what I've understand from real tech people

01:46:19.640 --> 01:46:24.760
they think it's horseshit. Oh I like phone. I

01:46:24.760 --> 01:46:27.380
don't know. I don't know Like the government

01:46:27.380 --> 01:46:32.039
say don't you buy Huawei phones? Is that, are

01:46:32.039 --> 01:46:34.180
you up on that at all? No? Should we just abandon

01:46:34.180 --> 01:46:37.539
this idea? Well, I think, like I guess if you're,

01:46:37.880 --> 01:46:40.560
if you're, if you have like top secret stuff,

01:46:40.619 --> 01:46:43.399
then you want to be pretty careful about what

01:46:43.399 --> 01:46:46.640
hardware you use. But you know, like most people

01:46:46.640 --> 01:46:48.859
do not have top secret stuff. Right. And like

01:46:48.859 --> 01:46:51.119
nobody really cares what porn you watch, you

01:46:51.119 --> 01:46:55.340
know? Right. Or, it's like, nobody actually cares,

01:46:55.500 --> 01:46:58.720
you know? And if they do, that's kind of on them.

01:46:58.890 --> 01:47:04.210
Like national spy agencies do not care. Do not

01:47:04.210 --> 01:47:07.869
give a rat's ass what porn you watch. They do

01:47:07.869 --> 01:47:12.890
not care. So what secrets does a national spy

01:47:12.890 --> 01:47:14.789
agency have to learn from the average citizen?

01:47:15.090 --> 01:47:19.470
Nothing. Well, that's the argument against the

01:47:19.470 --> 01:47:22.020
narrative. And the argument by a lot of these

01:47:22.020 --> 01:47:23.859
tech people is that the real concern is that

01:47:23.859 --> 01:47:26.600
these companies like Huawei are innovating at

01:47:26.600 --> 01:47:28.920
a radical pace, and they're trying to stop them

01:47:28.920 --> 01:47:30.939
from integrating into our culture and letting

01:47:30.939 --> 01:47:33.880
this... Right now, they're the number two cell

01:47:33.880 --> 01:47:36.520
phone manufacturer in the world. Samsung's number

01:47:36.520 --> 01:47:39.260
one, Huawei is number two, Apple is now number

01:47:39.260 --> 01:47:41.880
three. They surpassed Apple as number two. And

01:47:41.880 --> 01:47:44.180
the idea is that this is all taking place without

01:47:44.180 --> 01:47:46.829
them... Having any foothold whatsoever in America.

01:47:46.890 --> 01:47:50.029
There are no there's no carriers that have their

01:47:50.029 --> 01:47:52.829
phones You have to buy their phones unlocked

01:47:52.829 --> 01:47:55.369
through some sort of a third party and then put

01:47:55.369 --> 01:47:59.449
okay So and the worry is you know that these

01:47:59.449 --> 01:48:02.029
are somehow or another controlled by the Chinese

01:48:02.029 --> 01:48:04.569
government the communist Chinese government is

01:48:04.569 --> 01:48:07.229
gonna Distribute these phones, and I don't know

01:48:07.229 --> 01:48:10.869
if it's the worries Economic influence that they'll

01:48:10.869 --> 01:48:12.590
have too much power. I don't know what it is

01:48:12.840 --> 01:48:15.479
Are you paying attention on any of this? Not

01:48:15.479 --> 01:48:17.840
really. I don't think we should worry too much

01:48:17.840 --> 01:48:22.279
about Huawei phones. Maybe our national security

01:48:22.279 --> 01:48:24.380
agencies shouldn't have Huawei phones. Maybe

01:48:24.380 --> 01:48:28.720
that's a question mark. But I think for the average

01:48:28.720 --> 01:48:34.779
citizen, it doesn't matter. I'm pretty sure the

01:48:34.779 --> 01:48:37.659
Chinese government does not care about the goings

01:48:37.659 --> 01:48:43.300
on of the average American citizen. Is there

01:48:43.300 --> 01:48:47.079
a time where you think that there will be no

01:48:47.079 --> 01:48:49.439
security, where it will be impossible to hold

01:48:49.439 --> 01:48:52.079
back information, that whatever bottleneck will

01:48:52.079 --> 01:48:56.560
let go, we're gonna give in, that whatever bottleneck

01:48:56.560 --> 01:49:00.000
between privacy and ultimate innovation will

01:49:00.000 --> 01:49:02.840
have to be bridged in order for us to achieve

01:49:02.840 --> 01:49:04.939
the next level of technological proficiency,

01:49:05.039 --> 01:49:06.819
that we're just gonna abandon it, and there'll

01:49:06.819 --> 01:49:11.310
be no security, no privacy. Do people want privacy

01:49:11.310 --> 01:49:13.210
because they seem to put everything on the internet

01:49:13.210 --> 01:49:15.789
well right now they're confused But when you're

01:49:15.789 --> 01:49:17.489
talking about your neural link and this this

01:49:17.489 --> 01:49:19.789
idea that one day We are going to be able to

01:49:19.789 --> 01:49:21.869
share information and we're gonna be some sort

01:49:21.869 --> 01:49:26.050
of a thing that symbiotically create Symbiotically

01:49:26.050 --> 01:49:27.970
connect yeah, I think we really need to worry

01:49:27.970 --> 01:49:30.069
about security in that situation and when sure

01:49:30.069 --> 01:49:33.050
that's like a security reparamount sure yeah

01:49:33.050 --> 01:49:36.810
But also we will be is will be so much different

01:49:36.810 --> 01:49:40.920
lark our concerns about money about status, about

01:49:40.920 --> 01:49:44.000
all these things will seemingly go by the wayside

01:49:44.000 --> 01:49:46.279
if we really become enlightened, if we really

01:49:46.279 --> 01:49:48.819
become artificially enlightened by some sort

01:49:48.819 --> 01:49:52.560
of an AI interface where we have this symbiotic

01:49:52.560 --> 01:49:58.699
relationship with some new internet type connection

01:49:58.699 --> 01:50:07.300
to information. What happens then? What is important?

01:50:07.380 --> 01:50:09.699
What is not important? Is privacy important when

01:50:09.699 --> 01:50:14.979
we're all gods? I mean, I think the things that

01:50:14.979 --> 01:50:17.699
we Think are important to keep private right

01:50:17.699 --> 01:50:20.279
now, right? We probably will not think our shame

01:50:20.279 --> 01:50:26.800
right information Right What do you what do you

01:50:26.800 --> 01:50:29.840
hide in emotions? What are we hiding? I mean,

01:50:29.840 --> 01:50:32.340
I think like I don't know. Maybe it's like embarrassing

01:50:32.340 --> 01:50:37.140
stuff embarrassing stuff But there's actually

01:50:37.140 --> 01:50:39.899
like I think people there's like not that much

01:50:39.899 --> 01:50:43.000
That's kept private that people that is actually

01:50:43.000 --> 01:50:45.300
relevant, right? That's people would other people

01:50:45.300 --> 01:50:47.420
actually care about I mean think other people

01:50:47.420 --> 01:50:49.000
care about it, but they don't really care about

01:50:49.000 --> 01:50:51.619
it and certainly governments don't Well, some

01:50:51.619 --> 01:50:53.479
people care about it But then it gets weird when

01:50:53.479 --> 01:50:55.500
you when it gets exposed like Jennifer Lawrence

01:50:55.500 --> 01:50:57.539
when those naked pictures or her got exposed

01:50:57.539 --> 01:50:59.899
Like I think in some ways people liked her more

01:51:00.170 --> 01:51:02.569
They realize like she's just a person that just

01:51:02.569 --> 01:51:05.930
a girl who likes sex and is just alive and has

01:51:05.930 --> 01:51:08.449
a boyfriend and sends the messages and now you

01:51:08.449 --> 01:51:10.270
get to look into it and you probably shouldn't

01:51:10.270 --> 01:51:12.909
have but somebody let it go and they put it online

01:51:12.909 --> 01:51:18.130
and all right She seems to be doing okay, she's

01:51:18.130 --> 01:51:20.890
a person she's just you and me and it's the same

01:51:20.890 --> 01:51:22.949
thing she's just in some weird place where she's

01:51:22.949 --> 01:51:26.630
on a 35 foot tall screen with music playing every

01:51:26.630 --> 01:51:33.520
time she talks Yeah, I mean, I'm sure she's like

01:51:33.520 --> 01:51:37.939
not happy about it, but she's clearly doing fine.

01:51:38.100 --> 01:51:43.100
But once this interface is fully realized, where

01:51:43.100 --> 01:51:47.340
we really do become something far more powerful

01:51:47.340 --> 01:51:50.180
in terms of our cognitive ability or our ability

01:51:50.180 --> 01:51:52.800
to understand irrational thoughts and mitigate

01:51:52.800 --> 01:51:56.420
them, and that we're all connected in some sort

01:51:56.420 --> 01:51:59.000
of an insane way. I mean, what are thoughts on

01:51:59.000 --> 01:52:02.010
wealth? our thoughts on social status, like how

01:52:02.010 --> 01:52:05.050
many of those just evaporate in our need for

01:52:05.050 --> 01:52:07.689
privacy? Maybe our need for privacy will be the

01:52:07.689 --> 01:52:10.829
ultimate bottleneck that we'll have to surpass.

01:52:13.550 --> 01:52:17.210
I think the things that we think are important

01:52:17.210 --> 01:52:19.770
now will probably not be important in the future,

01:52:20.130 --> 01:52:22.069
but there will be things that are important.

01:52:22.189 --> 01:52:25.710
What will be more important? I don't know, there

01:52:25.710 --> 01:52:29.979
might be some war of ideas, potentially. Don't

01:52:29.979 --> 01:52:33.920
think Darwin's going away, right? No one's gonna

01:52:33.920 --> 01:52:40.199
be there No, no one will be there forever forever.

01:52:40.380 --> 01:52:43.199
Yeah, it would just be a different a different

01:52:43.199 --> 01:52:48.100
arena Different arena a digital arena different

01:52:48.100 --> 01:52:53.779
arena Darwin's not going away What keeps you

01:52:53.779 --> 01:52:59.340
up at night Well, it's quite hard to run companies.

01:52:59.659 --> 01:53:03.020
Yeah Especially car companies have to say it's

01:53:03.020 --> 01:53:05.500
quite challenging the car business is the hardest

01:53:05.500 --> 01:53:08.239
one of all the things you do Yes, because it's

01:53:08.239 --> 01:53:10.439
a consumer oriented business as opposed to like

01:53:10.439 --> 01:53:14.619
SpaceX and Not that SpaceX the SpaceX is no walk

01:53:14.619 --> 01:53:19.279
in the park but But a car company. It's very

01:53:19.279 --> 01:53:22.479
difficult to keep a car company Alive, it's very

01:53:22.479 --> 01:53:25.920
difficult You know, there's only two car companies

01:53:26.710 --> 01:53:28.949
the history of American car companies that haven't

01:53:28.949 --> 01:53:32.750
gone bankrupt and that's Ford and Tesla That's

01:53:32.750 --> 01:53:36.090
it. Yeah, Ford rode out that crazy storm, huh?

01:53:36.189 --> 01:53:37.869
They're the only one by the skin of their teeth.

01:53:37.869 --> 01:53:42.029
Shout out to the Mustang Yeah, yeah by the skin

01:53:42.029 --> 01:53:43.789
of their teeth that is interesting right same

01:53:43.789 --> 01:53:46.489
with Tesla we barely survived how close did you

01:53:46.489 --> 01:53:53.800
get to folding? Very close we But 2008 is not

01:53:53.800 --> 01:53:55.479
a good time to be a car company, especially a

01:53:55.479 --> 01:53:57.760
startup car company and especially an electric

01:53:57.760 --> 01:54:00.779
car company I was like stupidity squared and

01:54:00.779 --> 01:54:03.220
this is when you had those cool Roadsters with

01:54:03.220 --> 01:54:07.920
the t -top with the target top Yeah, we had like

01:54:07.920 --> 01:54:11.319
a Use a highly modified Elise chassis. The body

01:54:11.319 --> 01:54:14.000
was all completely different. Oh, that was a

01:54:14.000 --> 01:54:18.819
super dumb strategy that we actually did It was

01:54:18.819 --> 01:54:21.880
based on two false premises. One false premise

01:54:21.880 --> 01:54:25.619
was that we'd be able to cheaply convert the

01:54:25.619 --> 01:54:31.479
Lotus Elise and use that as a car platform and

01:54:31.479 --> 01:54:34.359
that we would be able to use technology from

01:54:34.359 --> 01:54:37.279
this little company called AC Propulsion for

01:54:37.279 --> 01:54:40.659
the electric drivetrain and the battery. Problem

01:54:40.659 --> 01:54:44.600
is the AC Propulsion technology did not work

01:54:44.600 --> 01:54:48.329
in production and We ended up using none of it

01:54:48.329 --> 01:54:50.409
in the long term. None of it. We had to redesign

01:54:50.409 --> 01:54:54.689
everything. And then once you add a battery pack

01:54:54.689 --> 01:54:57.289
and electric motor to the car, it got heavier.

01:54:57.390 --> 01:55:00.329
It got 30 % heavier. It invalidated the entire

01:55:00.329 --> 01:55:02.149
structure, all the crash structure. Everything

01:55:02.149 --> 01:55:07.390
had to be redone. Nothing. I think it had less

01:55:07.390 --> 01:55:10.310
than 7 % of the parts were common with any other

01:55:10.310 --> 01:55:13.890
device, including cars or anything. Less than

01:55:13.890 --> 01:55:17.350
7 %? Yes. Everything. including tires and wheels,

01:55:17.630 --> 01:55:23.409
bolts, brakes. Steering wheel. The steering wheel

01:55:23.409 --> 01:55:27.029
was, I think the steering wheel was almost the

01:55:27.029 --> 01:55:32.329
same. Yes, the windscreen. Different. No, I think

01:55:32.329 --> 01:55:34.069
the windscreen is the same. Same. Yes, I think

01:55:34.069 --> 01:55:35.649
we were able to keep the windscreen. Less than

01:55:35.649 --> 01:55:38.550
7%. So that's basically... Every body panel was

01:55:38.550 --> 01:55:40.149
different. The entire structure was different.

01:55:41.730 --> 01:55:45.949
We couldn't use the HVAC system, the air conditioner.

01:55:46.710 --> 01:55:49.630
It was a belt -driven air conditioner. So now

01:55:49.630 --> 01:55:51.630
we needed something that was electrically driven.

01:55:51.869 --> 01:55:56.250
We needed a new AC compressor. And all that takes

01:55:56.250 --> 01:55:58.270
away from the battery life as well, right? Yeah,

01:55:58.270 --> 01:56:01.630
we needed a small, highly efficient air conditioning

01:56:01.630 --> 01:56:05.069
system that fit in a tiny car and was electrically

01:56:05.069 --> 01:56:07.970
powered, not belt -driven. It was very difficult.

01:56:08.250 --> 01:56:12.520
How much did those weigh? Those cars the roadster.

01:56:12.520 --> 01:56:14.840
I think it was about 2 ,700 pounds. It's still

01:56:14.840 --> 01:56:18.020
very sound dependent which version 2650 to 2750

01:56:18.020 --> 01:56:20.500
pounds something like that and What was the weight

01:56:20.500 --> 01:56:26.880
distribution? It was about 50 well, they were

01:56:26.880 --> 01:56:30.159
different versions of the car so is about 55

01:56:30.159 --> 01:56:34.369
on the rear It was rear bias right but not bad

01:56:34.369 --> 01:56:36.710
like considering like a 9 -eleven which is like

01:56:36.710 --> 01:56:38.770
one of the most popular sports cards of all time

01:56:38.770 --> 01:56:44.489
Heavy rear end bias. Well, I mean Yeah, the 9

01:56:44.489 --> 01:56:47.770
-eleven like the joke is like the magistrate

01:56:47.770 --> 01:56:51.189
Despite Newton not being on their side. Yeah,

01:56:51.229 --> 01:56:52.750
if you're fighting Newton, it's very difficult

01:56:53.260 --> 01:56:55.779
Well, it's like you've got this the moments of

01:56:55.779 --> 01:56:58.699
inertia on a 9 -eleven don't make any sense.

01:56:58.899 --> 01:57:02.119
They do once you understand them Once you understand

01:57:02.119 --> 01:57:03.699
you don't want to hang the engine off the ass.

01:57:04.020 --> 01:57:06.659
This is not a wise move You don't want to let

01:57:06.659 --> 01:57:10.300
up on the gas when you're in a corner The problem

01:57:10.300 --> 01:57:13.180
with it with a with with something that's where

01:57:13.180 --> 01:57:15.140
the engine is mounted over the rear axle or off

01:57:15.140 --> 01:57:17.340
the rear axle towards the rear So you pull a

01:57:17.340 --> 01:57:19.659
moment of inertia is fundamentally screwed. You

01:57:19.659 --> 01:57:23.130
cannot solve this it's unsolvable You're screwed

01:57:23.130 --> 01:57:26.949
pull a moment inertia is you're screwed Right

01:57:26.949 --> 01:57:29.210
like essentially if you spawn the car like a

01:57:29.210 --> 01:57:33.590
top That's your pole moment of inertia you're

01:57:33.590 --> 01:57:37.390
just I Promise they wouldn't swear on this show

01:57:37.390 --> 01:57:40.470
by the way really who? So it's my friend tell

01:57:40.470 --> 01:57:42.569
that friend to go fuck himself who told you not

01:57:42.569 --> 01:57:47.909
to swear a friend Not a good friend. Yes Realize

01:57:47.909 --> 01:57:50.189
you're fucking Elon Musk do whatever you want,

01:57:50.189 --> 01:57:54.319
man If you ever get confused, call me. I'll swear

01:57:54.319 --> 01:57:57.460
in private. Swear up a storm. Just say fricking.

01:57:58.479 --> 01:58:01.159
It's a fun way. There's like old house moms.

01:58:04.680 --> 01:58:07.819
Wives and shit that have children. Oh, yes, fricking

01:58:07.819 --> 01:58:10.720
thing. Yeah. But anyway, like the Porsche, it's

01:58:10.720 --> 01:58:12.140
kind of incredible how well Porsche handles,

01:58:12.340 --> 01:58:15.600
given that it's the physics. Yes. The moments

01:58:15.600 --> 01:58:19.560
of inertia are so messed up. to actually still

01:58:19.560 --> 01:58:21.939
make it work well is incredible. Well, if you

01:58:21.939 --> 01:58:23.920
know how to turn into the corner, once you get

01:58:23.920 --> 01:58:25.979
used to the feeling of it, there's actual benefits

01:58:25.979 --> 01:58:30.020
to it. You know, there are some benefits. The

01:58:30.020 --> 01:58:35.739
car I had before Tesla was a 911. Oh, okay. 997

01:58:35.739 --> 01:58:41.789
or 6? Yeah. 997? Yeah. Yeah. Great car, man Yeah,

01:58:41.789 --> 01:58:43.270
I mean particularly what on the Porsche ever

01:58:43.270 --> 01:58:45.829
when they had the variable veins the turbo and

01:58:45.829 --> 01:58:47.529
you didn't have the turbo lag That was great.

01:58:47.569 --> 01:58:49.930
Yeah, that was really great. The turbo lag was

01:58:49.930 --> 01:58:53.449
is like, you know if you floor it Like phone

01:58:53.449 --> 01:58:56.949
home call your mom the older like about an hour

01:58:56.949 --> 01:58:59.670
later the car accelerates and Super dangerous

01:58:59.670 --> 01:59:02.050
too because in the real wheels start spinning.

01:59:02.050 --> 01:59:04.750
Yeah. Yeah, there's something fun about it though

01:59:04.750 --> 01:59:07.710
Like feeling that rear weight kicking around

01:59:08.029 --> 01:59:09.869
You know, and again, it's not efficient. It had

01:59:09.869 --> 01:59:12.390
a good feel to it. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. But that's

01:59:12.390 --> 01:59:14.609
what I was talking about earlier about that little

01:59:14.609 --> 01:59:18.909
car that I have, the 93, 911. It's not fast.

01:59:19.550 --> 01:59:22.090
It's not the best handling car. But it's more

01:59:22.090 --> 01:59:24.649
satisfying than any other car I have, because

01:59:24.649 --> 01:59:27.289
it's so mechanical. It's like everything about

01:59:27.289 --> 01:59:30.500
it, like. crackles and bumps and it gives you

01:59:30.500 --> 01:59:32.819
all this feedback and I take it to the comedy

01:59:32.819 --> 01:59:35.500
store because when I get there I feel like my

01:59:35.500 --> 01:59:38.060
brain is just popping and it's on fire. It's

01:59:38.060 --> 01:59:40.939
like a strategy for me now that I really stop

01:59:40.939 --> 01:59:43.500
driving other cars there. I drive that car there

01:59:43.500 --> 01:59:48.579
just for the brain juice, just for the interaction.

01:59:50.239 --> 01:59:53.479
I mean you should try model SP100D. I'll try.

01:59:53.500 --> 01:59:55.800
It'll blow your mind out of your skull. Okay.

01:59:55.979 --> 01:59:59.069
Yeah. Tell me what to order. I'll order it. Model

01:59:59.069 --> 02:00:01.949
SP100D. Okay. Jamie, right down. That's the car

02:00:01.949 --> 02:00:03.970
that I drive. Okay. Okay, I'll get with the car

02:00:03.970 --> 02:00:06.930
you drive. Okay. It will blow your mind out of

02:00:06.930 --> 02:00:09.069
your skull. I believe you. How far can I drive?

02:00:10.130 --> 02:00:13.890
About 300 miles. That's good. For LA regular

02:00:13.890 --> 02:00:16.430
days. You'll never notice the battery. Never.

02:00:16.630 --> 02:00:18.970
Never. How hard is it to get like one of them

02:00:18.970 --> 02:00:22.229
crazy plugs installed in your house? That difficult?

02:00:22.550 --> 02:00:25.039
No, it's super easy. It's like... Yeah, it's

02:00:25.039 --> 02:00:26.920
like a dryer plug. It's like a dryer outlet.

02:00:27.239 --> 02:00:29.380
Didn't you come up with some crazy tiles for

02:00:29.380 --> 02:00:31.939
your roof that are solar paneled? Yeah, yeah,

02:00:32.020 --> 02:00:33.659
we're having on my roof right now. Actually,

02:00:33.859 --> 02:00:35.859
I'm just trying it out. It's like it's the thing.

02:00:36.020 --> 02:00:38.460
It takes a while to test roof stuff because roofs

02:00:38.460 --> 02:00:41.140
have to last a long time. So like you want your

02:00:41.140 --> 02:00:44.600
roof to last like 30 years over a regular roof.

02:00:45.199 --> 02:00:47.430
Now, so there's two versions is like the solar

02:00:47.430 --> 02:00:49.350
panels you put on a roof. So it depends on whether

02:00:49.350 --> 02:00:51.710
your roof's new or old. So if your roof's new,

02:00:51.750 --> 02:00:52.909
you don't want to replace the roof. You want

02:00:52.909 --> 02:00:55.949
to put solar panels on the roof. So that's like

02:00:55.949 --> 02:00:58.310
retrofit. And then we're trying to make the retrofit

02:00:58.310 --> 02:01:01.810
panels look real nice. But then the new product

02:01:01.810 --> 02:01:04.670
we're coming out with is if you have a roof that's

02:01:04.670 --> 02:01:06.329
either you're building a house or you're going

02:01:06.329 --> 02:01:09.050
to replace your roof anyway, then you make the

02:01:09.050 --> 02:01:13.289
tiles have solar cells embedded in the tiles.

02:01:13.889 --> 02:01:16.770
And then it's quite a tricky thing because you

02:01:16.770 --> 02:01:20.630
want to not see the solar cell behind the glass

02:01:20.630 --> 02:01:25.869
tile so you have to really work with the glass

02:01:25.869 --> 02:01:30.329
and the various coatings and layers so that you

02:01:30.329 --> 02:01:33.470
don't see the solar cell behind the glass. Otherwise

02:01:33.470 --> 02:01:35.890
it doesn't look right. Right. So it's really

02:01:35.890 --> 02:01:38.369
tricky. There it is. Jamie put it up there. Yeah.

02:01:38.489 --> 02:01:42.100
Damn, that looks good. See, if you look closely,

02:01:42.579 --> 02:01:45.979
you can see if you zoom in, you can see the cell.

02:01:46.819 --> 02:01:48.739
But if you zoom out, you don't see the cell.

02:01:49.479 --> 02:01:52.140
Right. Well, it looks cool, though. That's hard.

02:01:52.420 --> 02:01:54.279
That's really hard. Because you have to have

02:01:54.279 --> 02:01:57.239
sunlight go through. Right. But when it gets

02:01:57.239 --> 02:02:01.500
reflected back out, it hides the fact that there's

02:02:01.500 --> 02:02:03.979
a cell there. Now, are those available to the

02:02:03.979 --> 02:02:07.460
consumer right now? Well, we have, I think...

02:02:07.460 --> 02:02:10.239
Those on that roof right there? Yes. That's amazing.

02:02:11.319 --> 02:02:16.000
Oh, that looks good. Yeah. Oh, I like that one's

02:02:16.000 --> 02:02:19.060
hard. Oh, so you get that kind of fake Spanish

02:02:19.060 --> 02:02:21.539
looking thing. I like that French light. That's

02:02:21.539 --> 02:02:24.140
white people in Connecticut smoking pipes. Look

02:02:24.140 --> 02:02:29.039
at that one. Yeah. That's badass, dude. So those

02:02:29.039 --> 02:02:32.939
will actually work. I believe you. So the solar

02:02:32.939 --> 02:02:35.460
panels that are on that house that we just looked

02:02:35.460 --> 02:02:37.939
at, is that sufficient to power the entire home?

02:02:39.659 --> 02:02:42.720
It depends on your energy on how efficient. Yeah,

02:02:42.720 --> 02:02:48.779
yeah, so Generally, yes, I would say it's probably

02:02:48.779 --> 02:02:53.220
for most it's gonna vary but anywhere from more

02:02:53.220 --> 02:02:58.399
than you need to Maybe half like call it half

02:02:58.399 --> 02:03:02.140
to 1 .5 of the energy that you need Depending

02:03:02.140 --> 02:03:05.239
on how much roof you have relative to living

02:03:05.239 --> 02:03:07.340
space and how ridiculous you are with the TV

02:03:07.529 --> 02:03:12.710
TV is no problem. Air conditioning is the problem.

02:03:13.409 --> 02:03:17.210
If you have an efficient air conditioner, and

02:03:17.210 --> 02:03:21.090
depending on how, are you air conditioning rooms

02:03:21.090 --> 02:03:22.930
when they don't need to be air conditioned, which

02:03:22.930 --> 02:03:24.689
is very common because it's a pain in the neck.

02:03:24.850 --> 02:03:28.159
It's like programming a VCR. Right, you know,

02:03:28.159 --> 02:03:30.380
it's just the blinking 12. So people just like

02:03:30.380 --> 02:03:31.920
the hell with that I'm just gonna make it this

02:03:31.920 --> 02:03:33.840
temperature all day long, right? I don't have

02:03:33.840 --> 02:03:36.039
a smart home where if you're in the room, then

02:03:36.039 --> 02:03:38.560
it stays cool, right? Yeah, it should predict

02:03:38.560 --> 02:03:42.880
when you're gonna be home And then cool the room

02:03:42.880 --> 02:03:46.359
the rooms that you're likely to use With a little

02:03:46.359 --> 02:03:47.800
bit of intelligence. We're not talking about

02:03:47.800 --> 02:03:50.300
like genius home here. We're just talking like

02:03:50.300 --> 02:03:55.119
elementary basic stuff You know like if you could

02:03:55.119 --> 02:03:57.460
hook that into the car like news you're coming

02:03:57.460 --> 02:03:59.819
home like there's no point in pulling the home

02:03:59.819 --> 02:04:01.739
Right in the comb keeping the whole the home

02:04:01.739 --> 02:04:03.979
really cool when you're not there, but I can

02:04:03.979 --> 02:04:05.899
tell it you're coming home It's gonna cool it

02:04:05.899 --> 02:04:07.539
to the right temperature right you have an app

02:04:07.539 --> 02:04:10.520
there that works with your solar panels or anything

02:04:10.520 --> 02:04:15.220
like that Yeah, yeah, we do and we need to hook

02:04:15.220 --> 02:04:16.920
it into the air conditioning to really make the

02:04:16.920 --> 02:04:18.800
air conditioning work Have you thought about

02:04:18.800 --> 02:04:22.060
creating an air conditioning system? I know you

02:04:22.060 --> 02:04:28.699
have Trick question I Cannot answer questions

02:04:28.699 --> 02:04:31.000
about future potential. Okay, let's just let

02:04:31.000 --> 02:04:33.220
it go. We'll move on to the next thing. That

02:04:33.220 --> 02:04:36.079
would be an interesting idea Yeah, I would say

02:04:36.079 --> 02:04:40.159
radiant heating all that good ideas now when

02:04:40.159 --> 02:04:43.140
you when you think about the efficiency of these

02:04:43.140 --> 02:04:46.119
homes and you think about implementing solar

02:04:46.119 --> 02:04:49.720
power and battery power and is there anything

02:04:49.720 --> 02:04:52.100
else that people are missing is there any other

02:04:52.100 --> 02:04:56.060
like I just saw a smart watch that is powered

02:04:56.060 --> 02:04:59.399
by the heat of the human body. It's some new

02:04:59.399 --> 02:05:01.880
technology. It's able to fully power that way?

02:05:02.079 --> 02:05:04.479
I don't know if it's fully or if it's... Like

02:05:04.479 --> 02:05:07.739
this watch right here, this is a Casio. It's

02:05:07.739 --> 02:05:10.439
called a Pro -Tech and it's like an outdoors

02:05:10.439 --> 02:05:13.060
watch and it's solar powered. And so it has the

02:05:13.060 --> 02:05:15.739
ability to operate for a certain amount of time

02:05:15.739 --> 02:05:18.800
on solar. So if you have it exposed, it could...

02:05:19.340 --> 02:05:21.119
function for a certain amount of time on solar.

02:05:21.640 --> 02:05:24.060
Yeah, well, you know, like there's the self -winding

02:05:24.060 --> 02:05:26.119
watches where it's just got a weight in the watch,

02:05:26.140 --> 02:05:28.000
and as you move your wrist, the weight moves

02:05:28.000 --> 02:05:30.439
from one side to the other, and it winds the

02:05:30.439 --> 02:05:33.079
watch up. That's a pretty cool thing. Yeah, yeah.

02:05:33.159 --> 02:05:35.060
Well, it's amazing that, like, Rolex is, that

02:05:35.060 --> 02:05:37.100
it's all done mechanically. There's no batteries

02:05:37.100 --> 02:05:38.819
in there. There's no nothing. Yeah, you could

02:05:38.819 --> 02:05:40.239
do the same thing and create a little charger

02:05:40.239 --> 02:05:43.979
that's based on wrist movement. It really depends

02:05:43.979 --> 02:05:45.819
on how much energy your watch uses. You know

02:05:45.819 --> 02:05:47.399
what's fucked up about that, though? We accept

02:05:47.399 --> 02:05:50.710
a certain amount of like fuckery with those watches.

02:05:51.069 --> 02:05:53.750
Like I brought my watch, I have a Rolex that

02:05:53.750 --> 02:05:56.670
my friend Lorenzo gave me, and I brought it to

02:05:56.670 --> 02:06:00.710
the watch store, and I said, this thing's always

02:06:00.710 --> 02:06:03.350
fast. I said, it's always like, after a couple

02:06:03.350 --> 02:06:05.430
months, it's like five minutes fast. And they

02:06:05.430 --> 02:06:08.869
go, yep. They go, yeah. Really? It's just what

02:06:08.869 --> 02:06:11.770
it does. And I go, hold on. I go, so you're telling

02:06:11.770 --> 02:06:14.210
me that it just is always gonna be fast? They's

02:06:14.210 --> 02:06:16.489
like, yeah. It's just like every few months you

02:06:16.489 --> 02:06:18.270
gotta like reset it. It seems like they should

02:06:18.270 --> 02:06:20.609
recalibrate that thing. They can't. They tried.

02:06:20.890 --> 02:06:22.710
They say every few months, whether it's four

02:06:22.710 --> 02:06:24.949
months or five months or six months, it's gonna

02:06:24.949 --> 02:06:27.390
be a couple minutes fast. Okay, it seems like

02:06:27.390 --> 02:06:29.850
they should really recalibrate that because if

02:06:29.850 --> 02:06:32.970
it's always fast, you can just delete those minutes.

02:06:33.229 --> 02:06:35.130
You need to fucking kick down the door at Rolex

02:06:35.130 --> 02:06:40.069
and go, you bitches are lazy. It's kind of amazing

02:06:40.069 --> 02:06:41.930
that you can keep time mechanically on a wristwatch.

02:06:42.489 --> 02:06:45.069
With these tiny little gears. It's amazing. Yeah.

02:06:45.069 --> 02:06:49.210
I mean the whole luxury watch market is fascinating.

02:06:49.890 --> 02:06:54.229
I'm not that involved in terms like I don't buy

02:06:54.229 --> 02:06:55.869
them. I've bought them as gifts. I don't buy

02:06:55.869 --> 02:06:58.270
them for myself. But when I look at them online

02:06:58.270 --> 02:07:00.449
with this million dollar watches out there now

02:07:00.449 --> 02:07:02.609
that are like they have like little rotating

02:07:02.609 --> 02:07:06.510
moons and stars and they live like look at this

02:07:06.510 --> 02:07:09.079
thing. How much is that one Jamie? These are

02:07:09.079 --> 02:07:12.779
fucking preposterous. I like gears. I love them

02:07:12.779 --> 02:07:15.119
Yeah, I think they're beautiful, but there's

02:07:15.119 --> 02:07:16.439
some of these people that are just taking it

02:07:16.439 --> 02:07:18.359
right in the ass They're buying these watches

02:07:18.359 --> 02:07:20.039
for like seven hundred fifty thousand dollars

02:07:20.039 --> 02:07:24.199
Mike. Yo, that's a timex son Nobody knows it's

02:07:24.199 --> 02:07:26.319
not any better than some Casio that you could

02:07:26.319 --> 02:07:28.859
just buy online like look at that though Well,

02:07:28.859 --> 02:07:32.359
here's the thing if you're a person that doesn't

02:07:32.359 --> 02:07:36.899
just want to know the time you want craftsmanship

02:07:37.159 --> 02:07:40.880
You want some artisan's touch. You want innovation

02:07:40.880 --> 02:07:44.939
in terms of like a person figuring out how gears

02:07:44.939 --> 02:07:50.100
and cogs all line up perfectly to every time

02:07:50.100 --> 02:07:53.359
it turns over, it's basically a second. I mean,

02:07:53.520 --> 02:07:56.460
that's just, there's art to that. Yeah, I agree.

02:07:56.659 --> 02:07:59.890
It's not just telling time. Like this watch a

02:07:59.890 --> 02:08:01.430
lot, but if it got hit by a rock, I wouldn't

02:08:01.430 --> 02:08:04.350
be sad. Yeah, it's just a watch It's a it's a

02:08:04.350 --> 02:08:06.630
mass -produced thing that runs on some quartz

02:08:06.630 --> 02:08:10.229
battery, but those things That's there's art.

02:08:10.550 --> 02:08:13.930
Yeah. No, I agree It's beautiful. Yeah. Yeah,

02:08:14.069 --> 02:08:16.789
love it. Yeah, there's something something amazing

02:08:16.789 --> 02:08:19.270
about it It's a because it represents the human

02:08:19.270 --> 02:08:23.949
creativity. It's not just it's not just electronic

02:08:23.949 --> 02:08:26.750
Innovation there's something there's there's

02:08:26.750 --> 02:08:31.140
a person's Work in that yes You don't have a

02:08:31.140 --> 02:08:34.659
watch on No ever I used to have a watch what

02:08:34.659 --> 02:08:40.180
happened Mike My phone tells the time so point

02:08:40.180 --> 02:08:42.859
What if you lose your phone? Do you wait hold

02:08:42.859 --> 02:08:47.180
on true? Let me guess you are a no -case guy

02:08:47.180 --> 02:08:52.380
That's correct Living on the edge I'm the edge

02:08:52.380 --> 02:08:54.159
without a case. Neil deGrasse Tyson. Neil deGrasse

02:08:54.159 --> 02:08:57.180
Tyson was in here last week. I marveled at his

02:08:57.180 --> 02:08:59.800
ability to get through life without a case. That's

02:08:59.800 --> 02:09:03.060
right. You know, he takes his phone and he flips

02:09:03.060 --> 02:09:07.079
it in between his fingers like a soldier would

02:09:07.079 --> 02:09:09.000
do with his rifle. Really? He just rolls that

02:09:09.000 --> 02:09:11.420
shit in between his fingers. Okay. Marvelous.

02:09:11.619 --> 02:09:13.699
Wow. He says that's the reason why they do it.

02:09:13.800 --> 02:09:17.239
He said, when you look at someone who has a rifle,

02:09:17.619 --> 02:09:19.720
why would they do that? Why would they flip it

02:09:19.720 --> 02:09:23.510
around like that? Right so that when? It goes

02:09:23.510 --> 02:09:25.210
to drop they have it in their hand they catch

02:09:25.210 --> 02:09:28.229
it quickly so yeah, it does with his phone He's

02:09:28.229 --> 02:09:29.729
just flipping his phone around all the time.

02:09:30.409 --> 02:09:33.310
I got that in Mexico. I was hoping it holds joints

02:09:33.310 --> 02:09:36.590
Does it do anything it seems to open? It's just

02:09:36.590 --> 02:09:40.210
a whole good storage storage in there, but like

02:09:40.210 --> 02:09:42.670
Try to put a joint in there close it you put

02:09:42.670 --> 02:09:49.609
like one one blunt One but it seems pretentious

02:09:49.899 --> 02:09:53.239
You know, that's the idea behind it. I bought

02:09:53.239 --> 02:09:55.180
it when I was in Mexico because I figured it

02:09:55.180 --> 02:10:03.779
would be a good size to hold joints. So is that

02:10:03.779 --> 02:10:10.899
a joint? Or is it a cigar? No. Okay. It's marijuana

02:10:10.899 --> 02:10:14.739
inside of tobacco. Okay. So it's like posh tobacco

02:10:14.739 --> 02:10:16.659
posh. You ever had that? Yeah, I think I tried

02:10:16.659 --> 02:10:20.640
one once. Come on. You probably can't because

02:10:20.640 --> 02:10:24.699
stockholders, right? I Mean it's legal, right?

02:10:24.739 --> 02:10:27.520
It's totally legal. Okay, how does that work?

02:10:27.699 --> 02:10:29.319
Did people get upset at you if you do certain

02:10:29.319 --> 02:10:34.000
things? Tobacco and marijuana in there. That's

02:10:34.000 --> 02:10:40.180
all it is The combination of tobacco and marijuana

02:10:40.180 --> 02:10:43.439
is wonderful first turned on to it by Charlie

02:10:43.439 --> 02:10:47.500
Murphy and then reignited by Dave Chappelle Plus

02:10:47.500 --> 02:10:52.680
whiskey ha ha exactly perfect balances it out

02:10:52.680 --> 02:10:55.760
alcohol is a drug that's been grandfathered in

02:10:55.760 --> 02:10:57.920
Well, it's not just a drug. It's a drug that

02:10:57.920 --> 02:11:00.399
gets a bad rap because you just have a little

02:11:00.399 --> 02:11:04.699
it's great Fine yeah a little sip here and there

02:11:04.699 --> 02:11:07.340
and you just see your inhibitions are relaxed

02:11:07.340 --> 02:11:09.260
and it shows your true self and hopefully you're

02:11:09.260 --> 02:11:12.420
more joyous and friendly and happy and and everything's

02:11:12.420 --> 02:11:16.010
good the real worry is the people that can't

02:11:16.010 --> 02:11:17.789
handle it, like the real worry about people who

02:11:17.789 --> 02:11:21.390
can't handle cars that can go 0 to 60 in 1 .9

02:11:21.390 --> 02:11:25.050
seconds or anything. Have you ever considered

02:11:25.050 --> 02:11:28.829
something that, like, imagine if one day everyone

02:11:28.829 --> 02:11:32.989
has a car that's on the same, at least, technological

02:11:32.989 --> 02:11:36.250
standard as one of your cars. And everyone agrees

02:11:36.250 --> 02:11:39.970
that the smart thing to do is not just to have

02:11:39.970 --> 02:11:42.970
bumpers, but to perhaps have some sort of a magnetic

02:11:42.970 --> 02:11:46.579
repellent device. something some electromagnetic

02:11:46.579 --> 02:11:49.220
field around the cars and as cars come close

02:11:49.220 --> 02:11:52.520
to each other they automatically radically decelerate

02:11:52.520 --> 02:11:56.640
because of Magnets or something Well, I mean

02:11:56.640 --> 02:11:59.319
our cars break automatically break. Yeah. Yeah

02:11:59.319 --> 02:12:02.619
when they see things. Yes, but like a physical

02:12:02.619 --> 02:12:07.399
barrier like Well, the wheels work pretty well

02:12:07.399 --> 02:12:10.899
wheels. Yeah, they were pretty well decelerated

02:12:10.899 --> 02:12:15.060
as you know 1 .1 to 1 .2 G's that kind of thing.

02:12:15.439 --> 02:12:17.319
Is there a concern that one day all your cars

02:12:17.319 --> 02:12:21.300
will be on the road and then there'll still be

02:12:21.300 --> 02:12:24.020
regular people with regular cars 20, 30 years

02:12:24.020 --> 02:12:29.020
from now that'll get in the mix and be the main

02:12:29.020 --> 02:12:33.000
problem? Yeah, I think it'd be sort of like,

02:12:33.079 --> 02:12:34.779
you know, it was a time of transition where there

02:12:34.779 --> 02:12:37.800
were horses and gasoline cars on the road at

02:12:37.800 --> 02:12:40.579
the same time. It's been pretty weird. That'd

02:12:40.579 --> 02:12:43.680
be the weirdest. Yeah. Horses were tricky, you

02:12:43.680 --> 02:12:47.319
know back in Manhattan had like 300 ,000 horses

02:12:47.319 --> 02:12:52.439
you figure like Low horse lives 15 years got

02:12:52.439 --> 02:12:55.359
20 ,000 horses but dropping dead every day or

02:12:55.359 --> 02:12:57.399
every year I should say every year is 20 ,000

02:12:57.399 --> 02:13:00.800
horses if this 300 ,000 horses and 15 year lifespan

02:13:00.800 --> 02:13:06.220
back in the gangs in New York days that movie

02:13:06.220 --> 02:13:08.739
Yeah, it's a lot of dead horses, and then you

02:13:08.739 --> 02:13:11.600
need a horse to move the horse Right, and they'll

02:13:11.600 --> 02:13:13.579
probably get pretty freaked out if they have

02:13:13.579 --> 02:13:15.359
to move our dead horse. You think they know what's

02:13:15.359 --> 02:13:18.300
going on? Yeah, I mean it's gotta be like pretty

02:13:18.300 --> 02:13:21.819
weird No, I would imagine why am I dragging this

02:13:21.819 --> 02:13:26.340
dead, you know horse around and I'm a horse Do

02:13:26.340 --> 02:13:31.319
you ever stop and think about your role in civilization?

02:13:31.479 --> 02:13:33.159
Do you ever stop and think about your role in

02:13:33.159 --> 02:13:34.680
the culture because me as a person who never

02:13:34.680 --> 02:13:37.520
met you until today When I think of you, you

02:13:37.520 --> 02:13:39.279
know, I've always thought of you as being this

02:13:39.239 --> 02:13:42.279
Weirdo super inventor dude who just somehow or

02:13:42.279 --> 02:13:46.300
another keeps coming up with new shit But there's

02:13:46.300 --> 02:13:48.420
not a lot of you out there like everybody else

02:13:48.420 --> 02:13:50.979
seems to be I mean Obviously you make a lot of

02:13:50.979 --> 02:13:51.939
money, and there's a lot of people that make

02:13:51.939 --> 02:13:55.939
a lot of money. You like that clock Yeah, pretty

02:13:55.939 --> 02:13:57.619
dope right. This is a great clock. Yeah, you

02:13:57.619 --> 02:14:01.319
want one. I'll get you one sure okay done I like

02:14:01.319 --> 02:14:03.079
weird things like this. Oh, this is the coolest.

02:14:03.100 --> 02:14:06.199
It's TGT promotion. What is this TGT studios

02:14:06.199 --> 02:14:11.210
TGT studios Yeah To a gentleman who makes all

02:14:11.210 --> 02:14:15.710
this by hand Yeah, it's really cool. My study

02:14:15.710 --> 02:14:18.970
is filled with weird devices Well get ready for

02:14:18.970 --> 02:14:21.189
another one. All right, I'm sending it your way.

02:14:21.270 --> 02:14:25.010
Well, you want a werewolf to hook you up All

02:14:25.010 --> 02:14:29.029
right I'll take one one a werewolf and one clock

02:14:29.029 --> 02:14:32.270
coming up Do you think about your role in the

02:14:32.270 --> 02:14:34.130
culture because me as a person never met you

02:14:34.130 --> 02:14:36.609
until today? I've always looked at you and like

02:14:36.609 --> 02:14:39.050
wow like How does this guy just keep inventing

02:14:39.050 --> 02:14:40.949
shit? Like how do you, how do you keep coming

02:14:40.949 --> 02:14:43.829
up with all these new devices and what do you

02:14:43.829 --> 02:14:47.909
ever consider how on you, like I had a dream

02:14:47.909 --> 02:14:51.229
once that there was a million Teslas instead

02:14:51.229 --> 02:14:54.210
of like one Tesla, there was a million Teslas.

02:14:54.529 --> 02:14:58.310
Not Chesley the car, but Nikola. Oh yeah, sure.

02:14:58.449 --> 02:15:01.390
And that in his day, there was a million people

02:15:01.390 --> 02:15:04.850
like him who were radically innovative. It was

02:15:04.850 --> 02:15:07.489
a weird dream, man. It was so strange. And I've

02:15:07.489 --> 02:15:09.149
had it more than once. That would result in very

02:15:09.149 --> 02:15:12.069
rapid technology innovation, that's for sure.

02:15:12.409 --> 02:15:14.149
It's one of the only dreams in my life I've had

02:15:14.149 --> 02:15:16.270
more than one time. Okay. Like where I've woken

02:15:16.270 --> 02:15:18.430
up and it's in the same dream. I'm in the same

02:15:18.430 --> 02:15:23.569
dream. And in this dream, it's 1940s, 1950s.

02:15:24.029 --> 02:15:28.010
But everyone is severely advanced. There's flying

02:15:28.010 --> 02:15:30.689
blimps with like LCD screens on the side of them

02:15:30.689 --> 02:15:35.300
and everything's bizarre and strange. It's stuck

02:15:35.300 --> 02:15:37.560
with me for whatever it obviously is just a stupid

02:15:37.560 --> 02:15:40.199
dream But for whatever reason all these years

02:15:40.199 --> 02:15:43.539
that stuck with me like it takes one man like

02:15:43.539 --> 02:15:48.380
Nikola Tesla To have more than a hundred inventions

02:15:48.380 --> 02:15:50.899
that were patents, right? I mean he had some

02:15:50.899 --> 02:15:55.859
pretty great pretty fucking amazing Ideas. Yes,

02:15:56.000 --> 02:15:58.619
but there was a way in his day. There was very

02:15:58.619 --> 02:16:01.199
few people like him. Yeah, that's true What if

02:16:01.199 --> 02:16:03.880
there was a million? Like what? Things would

02:16:03.880 --> 02:16:06.220
advance very quickly. Right. But there's not

02:16:06.220 --> 02:16:08.479
a million Elon Musk's. There's one motherfucker.

02:16:10.319 --> 02:16:13.520
Do you think about that? Or you just try to not?

02:16:17.659 --> 02:16:27.380
Hmm. I don't think you'd necessarily want to

02:16:27.380 --> 02:16:31.739
be me. Well. What's the worst part about you

02:16:31.739 --> 02:16:33.780
people would like it that much well most people

02:16:33.780 --> 02:16:37.180
wouldn't but they can't be you So that's like

02:16:37.180 --> 02:16:40.860
That's like some superhero type shit You know

02:16:40.860 --> 02:16:43.159
you wouldn't want to be spider -man rather just

02:16:43.159 --> 02:16:45.620
sleep tight in Gotham City. I hope he's out there

02:16:45.620 --> 02:16:49.780
doing his job It's very hard to turn it off.

02:16:50.559 --> 02:16:53.260
Yeah What's the hardest part might sound great

02:16:53.260 --> 02:16:55.319
if it's turned on, but what if it doesn't turn

02:16:55.319 --> 02:16:58.750
off? Now I showed you the isolation tank and

02:16:58.750 --> 02:17:01.030
you've never experienced that before Yeah, I

02:17:01.030 --> 02:17:03.290
think that could help you turn it off a little

02:17:03.290 --> 02:17:06.090
bit just for the night Yeah, just give you a

02:17:06.090 --> 02:17:08.129
little bit of sleep a little bit of perspective

02:17:08.129 --> 02:17:10.430
It's magnesium that you get from the water as

02:17:10.430 --> 02:17:12.729
well. That makes you makes you sleep easier because

02:17:12.729 --> 02:17:15.670
the water has epsom salts in it but maybe some

02:17:15.670 --> 02:17:20.549
sort of strategy for sacrificing your biological

02:17:20.549 --> 02:17:23.409
not sacrificing but enhancing your biological

02:17:23.409 --> 02:17:27.540
recovery time by Figuring out a way whether it's

02:17:27.540 --> 02:17:30.700
through meditation or some other ways to shut

02:17:30.700 --> 02:17:35.180
off that that thing at night Like you must have

02:17:35.180 --> 02:17:38.940
like a constant stream of ideas. It's running

02:17:38.940 --> 02:17:42.479
through your head all the time You're getting

02:17:42.479 --> 02:17:48.180
text messages from chicks no I'm getting text

02:17:48.180 --> 02:17:51.559
messages from friends saying what the hell are

02:17:51.559 --> 02:17:54.180
you doing smoking weed? Is that bad for you?

02:17:54.180 --> 02:18:00.600
It's legal I mean, it's not, you know, I'm not

02:18:00.600 --> 02:18:03.239
a regular smoker of weed. How often do you smoke

02:18:03.239 --> 02:18:11.520
it? Almost never. I mean, I don't actually notice

02:18:11.520 --> 02:18:14.260
any effect. Well, there you go. There was a time

02:18:14.260 --> 02:18:16.620
where I think it was Ram Dass or someone gave

02:18:16.620 --> 02:18:20.360
some Buddhist monk a bunch of acid. Okay. And

02:18:20.360 --> 02:18:24.040
he ate it and it had no effect on him. I doubt

02:18:24.040 --> 02:18:27.889
that. I would say that too, but I've never meditated

02:18:27.889 --> 02:18:29.569
to the level that some of these people have where

02:18:29.569 --> 02:18:32.010
they're constantly meditating all day. They don't

02:18:32.010 --> 02:18:34.729
have any material possessions and all of their

02:18:34.729 --> 02:18:38.030
energy is spent trying to achieve a certain mindset.

02:18:38.250 --> 02:18:41.889
I would like to cynically deny that. I'd like

02:18:41.889 --> 02:18:44.149
to cynically say they just fucking think the

02:18:44.149 --> 02:18:46.889
same way I do. They just hang out with flip -flops

02:18:46.889 --> 02:18:53.879
on and make weird noises, but maybe no. I know

02:18:53.879 --> 02:18:58.500
a lot of people like weed and that's fine. But

02:18:58.500 --> 02:19:01.159
I don't find that it is very good for productivity.

02:19:01.540 --> 02:19:05.239
For you? Not for me. Yeah, I would imagine that

02:19:05.239 --> 02:19:08.659
for someone like you it's not. Someone like you,

02:19:09.600 --> 02:19:12.680
it would be more like a cup of coffee, right?

02:19:13.420 --> 02:19:15.620
You have a latte. Yeah, it's more like the opposite

02:19:15.620 --> 02:19:17.639
of a cup of coffee. It's like a cup of coffee

02:19:17.639 --> 02:19:20.540
in reverse. Oh, weed is? No, I'm saying you would

02:19:20.540 --> 02:19:23.040
like more. more like what would be beneficial

02:19:23.040 --> 02:19:25.639
to you would be like coffee. I like to get things

02:19:25.639 --> 02:19:29.860
done. I like to be useful. That is one of the

02:19:29.860 --> 02:19:32.700
hardest things to do is to be useful. When you

02:19:32.700 --> 02:19:34.959
say you like to get things done, like in terms

02:19:34.959 --> 02:19:37.620
of like what gives you satisfaction when you

02:19:37.620 --> 02:19:40.620
complete a project, when something that you invent

02:19:40.620 --> 02:19:42.899
comes to fruition and you see people enjoying

02:19:42.899 --> 02:19:47.579
it, that feeling. Yes, doing something useful

02:19:47.579 --> 02:19:51.909
for other people that I like doing. That's interesting

02:19:51.909 --> 02:19:58.370
for other people Yes So that do you think that

02:19:58.370 --> 02:20:00.930
that is maybe the way you recognize that you

02:20:00.930 --> 02:20:02.909
have this unusual position in the culture where

02:20:02.909 --> 02:20:08.649
you can uniquely influence certain things because

02:20:08.649 --> 02:20:12.149
of this I mean you essentially have a gift, right?

02:20:12.270 --> 02:20:16.309
I mean You would think it was a curse, but I'm

02:20:16.309 --> 02:20:19.209
sure it's been fueled by many many years of discipline

02:20:19.209 --> 02:20:22.270
and learning but you essentially have a gift

02:20:22.270 --> 02:20:28.229
and that you have this radical sort of creativity

02:20:28.229 --> 02:20:30.489
engine when it comes to innovation and technology

02:20:30.489 --> 02:20:33.930
it's like you're just you're going at a very

02:20:33.930 --> 02:20:37.569
high rpms all the time what is that like doesn't

02:20:37.569 --> 02:20:40.709
stop i don't know what would happen if i got

02:20:40.709 --> 02:20:43.850
into a sensory deprivation tank let's try it

02:20:43.850 --> 02:20:48.329
sounds concerning it's like running the engine

02:20:48.329 --> 02:20:51.860
with no resistance Is that what it is though?

02:20:52.399 --> 02:20:55.280
Maybe it's not. Maybe it's fine. I don't know.

02:20:55.440 --> 02:21:00.200
I'll try it. I'll try it. Have you ever experimented

02:21:00.200 --> 02:21:03.940
with meditation or anything? Yes. What do you

02:21:03.940 --> 02:21:09.260
do? Or what have you done rather? I mean just

02:21:09.260 --> 02:21:13.459
sort of sit there and be quiet and then repeat

02:21:13.459 --> 02:21:19.000
some mantra which acts as a focal point. It's

02:21:19.000 --> 02:21:23.870
still the mind. I just stole the mind. But I

02:21:23.870 --> 02:21:28.489
don't find myself drawn to it frequently. Do

02:21:28.489 --> 02:21:32.969
you think that perhaps productivity is maybe

02:21:32.969 --> 02:21:37.569
more attractive to you than enlightenment? Or

02:21:37.569 --> 02:21:39.530
even the concept of whatever enlightenment means?

02:21:39.670 --> 02:21:40.969
Like what are you trying to achieve when you're

02:21:40.969 --> 02:21:44.409
meditating all the time? With you it seems like

02:21:44.409 --> 02:21:47.739
almost like there's a franticness. To your creativity

02:21:47.739 --> 02:21:51.319
that comes out of this this burning furnace and

02:21:51.319 --> 02:21:53.120
for in order for you to like calm that thing

02:21:53.120 --> 02:21:56.120
down You gotta throw you might have to throw

02:21:56.120 --> 02:22:00.059
too much water on it It's like a never -ending

02:22:00.059 --> 02:22:05.559
explosion Like what is it like I try to explain

02:22:05.559 --> 02:22:10.979
it to a dumb person like me What's going on never

02:22:10.979 --> 02:22:14.059
-ending explosion, it's just constant ideas just

02:22:14.059 --> 02:22:19.540
bouncing around yes Damn, yeah, so when everybody

02:22:19.540 --> 02:22:22.879
leaves, it's just Elon sitting at home brushing

02:22:22.879 --> 02:22:26.360
his teeth Just a bunch ideas bouncing around

02:22:26.360 --> 02:22:31.340
your head. Yeah who all time When did you realize

02:22:31.340 --> 02:22:38.780
that that's not the case with most people I Think

02:22:38.780 --> 02:22:40.979
when I was I don't know five or six or something.

02:22:41.020 --> 02:22:44.840
I thought I was insane Why did you think you

02:22:44.840 --> 02:22:47.040
were insane Because it was clear that other people

02:22:47.040 --> 02:22:50.879
do not Would their mind wasn't exploding with

02:22:50.879 --> 02:22:53.620
ideas all the time they weren't expressing it

02:22:53.620 --> 02:22:55.579
They weren't talking about it all and you realize

02:22:55.579 --> 02:22:57.879
by the time you were five or six like oh They're

02:22:57.879 --> 02:23:01.440
probably not even getting this thing that I'm

02:23:01.440 --> 02:23:08.860
getting No, it was just strange it was like Hmm

02:23:08.860 --> 02:23:12.959
and strange That was my conclusion and strange,

02:23:12.959 --> 02:23:17.530
but did you feel Diminished by it in any way

02:23:17.530 --> 02:23:19.510
like knowing that this is a weird thing that

02:23:19.510 --> 02:23:21.950
you really probably couldn't commiserate with

02:23:21.950 --> 02:23:25.010
with other people They would they wouldn't understand

02:23:25.010 --> 02:23:26.629
you. I hope they wouldn't find out because they

02:23:26.629 --> 02:23:28.329
might like put me away with something You thought

02:23:28.329 --> 02:23:31.030
that for a second. Yes, when you were little.

02:23:31.110 --> 02:23:32.750
I know they put people away What if they put

02:23:32.750 --> 02:23:34.709
me away like when you were little you thought

02:23:34.709 --> 02:23:39.370
this yes Wow Like you thought this is so radically

02:23:39.370 --> 02:23:41.049
different than the people that are around me

02:23:41.049 --> 02:23:44.190
if they find out I got this stream coming in

02:23:44.190 --> 02:23:50.200
Yeah Wow But you know, I was only like five or

02:23:50.200 --> 02:23:54.840
six Do you think this is like I mean there's

02:23:54.840 --> 02:23:59.399
there's outliers biologically You mean there's

02:23:59.399 --> 02:24:01.780
people that are seven foot nine there's people

02:24:01.780 --> 02:24:05.120
of giant hands as people that have eyes that

02:24:05.120 --> 02:24:10.899
are 2015 vision There's always outliers Do you

02:24:10.899 --> 02:24:12.959
feel like you like caught this like you have

02:24:12.959 --> 02:24:18.899
got some You're like on some weird Innovation

02:24:18.899 --> 02:24:24.319
Creativity sort of wave that's very unusual Like

02:24:24.319 --> 02:24:27.520
you put you tapped into I mean just think of

02:24:27.520 --> 02:24:29.760
the various things you've been able to accomplish

02:24:29.760 --> 02:24:32.459
in a very short amount of time and You're constantly

02:24:32.459 --> 02:24:35.739
doing this. That's a weird. You're a weird person,

02:24:35.739 --> 02:24:39.739
right? I agree. Yeah Like what if there's a million

02:24:39.739 --> 02:24:46.170
Elon Musk's? Well, that would be very very weird

02:24:46.170 --> 02:24:51.110
Whoo, yeah, it'd be pretty weird like right real

02:24:51.110 --> 02:24:56.309
weird definitely Yeah, what if they're a million

02:24:56.309 --> 02:25:06.930
showrockets I Mean I think that's the case with

02:25:06.930 --> 02:25:12.290
a lot of folks yeah, I mean But like, you know,

02:25:12.409 --> 02:25:17.030
my goal is like try to do useful things Try to

02:25:17.030 --> 02:25:21.149
maximize the probability the future is good Make

02:25:21.149 --> 02:25:23.770
the future exciting something you look forward

02:25:23.770 --> 02:25:30.370
to, you know, you know with You know with Tesla

02:25:30.370 --> 02:25:32.250
we're like trying to make things that people

02:25:32.250 --> 02:25:35.690
love, you know, it's like not Like how many how

02:25:35.690 --> 02:25:37.889
many things can you buy that you really love

02:25:37.889 --> 02:25:42.930
that? Really give you joy So rare so rare I wish

02:25:42.930 --> 02:25:45.649
there were more things That's what we're trying

02:25:45.649 --> 02:25:49.049
to just make things that somebody loves When

02:25:49.049 --> 02:25:51.110
you when you think about making things that someone

02:25:51.110 --> 02:25:54.690
loves like do you specifically think about like

02:25:54.690 --> 02:25:57.209
what things would improve people's experience?

02:25:57.209 --> 02:26:01.069
Like what what would change the way people interface

02:26:01.069 --> 02:26:04.770
with life that would make them more relaxed or

02:26:04.770 --> 02:26:09.790
more happy? You really think Like when you're

02:26:09.790 --> 02:26:11.250
thinking about things like that is that like

02:26:11.250 --> 02:26:13.149
one of your considerations like what what could

02:26:13.149 --> 02:26:15.350
I do that would help people? Yeah, maybe they

02:26:15.350 --> 02:26:19.530
wouldn't be able to figure out Yeah, like like

02:26:19.530 --> 02:26:22.350
what are the set of things that can be done to

02:26:22.350 --> 02:26:26.750
make the future better like You know like so

02:26:26.750 --> 02:26:29.350
I think that a future where we are a space -faring

02:26:29.350 --> 02:26:33.909
civilization and out there among the stars This

02:26:33.909 --> 02:26:36.229
is very exciting. This makes me look forward

02:26:36.229 --> 02:26:39.530
to the future This makes me want that future.

02:26:40.790 --> 02:26:43.229
You know, there are things, there need to be

02:26:43.229 --> 02:26:46.690
things that make you look forward to waking up

02:26:46.690 --> 02:26:48.110
in the morning. You wake up in the morning, you

02:26:48.110 --> 02:26:49.989
look forward to the day, look forward to the

02:26:49.989 --> 02:26:54.190
future. A future where we are a space -faring

02:26:54.190 --> 02:26:55.909
civilization and out there among the stars, I

02:26:55.909 --> 02:26:58.309
think that's very exciting. That is a thing we

02:26:58.309 --> 02:27:03.139
want. Whereas if... If you knew we would not

02:27:03.139 --> 02:27:05.239
be a space -faring civilization but forever confined

02:27:05.239 --> 02:27:07.180
to Earth, this would not be a good future. That

02:27:07.180 --> 02:27:10.600
would be very sad, I think. We don't want the

02:27:10.600 --> 02:27:12.479
sad future. It would be sad in terms of just

02:27:12.479 --> 02:27:15.500
the finite lifespan of the Earth itself and the

02:27:15.500 --> 02:27:18.620
solar system itself. That even though it's possibly,

02:27:19.159 --> 02:27:21.280
you know, I mean how many, how long do they feel

02:27:21.280 --> 02:27:23.799
like this Sun and the solar system is going to

02:27:23.799 --> 02:27:26.100
exist? How many hundreds of millions of years?

02:27:27.639 --> 02:27:31.399
Well, it's probably... If you're saying, when

02:27:31.399 --> 02:27:36.040
does the sun boil the oceans? Right. About 500

02:27:36.040 --> 02:27:40.540
million years. So, is it sad that we never leave

02:27:40.540 --> 02:27:43.260
because in 500 million years that happens? Is

02:27:43.260 --> 02:27:47.559
that what you're saying? No, I just think, like,

02:27:47.600 --> 02:27:49.760
if there are two futurists and one futurist,

02:27:49.899 --> 02:27:51.719
we're out there among the stars and the things

02:27:51.719 --> 02:27:54.239
we read about and see in science fiction movies,

02:27:54.559 --> 02:27:57.780
the good ones, are true. We have these starships

02:27:57.780 --> 02:28:02.469
and we're... We're going to see what other planets

02:28:02.469 --> 02:28:05.469
are like and we're a multi -planet species and

02:28:05.469 --> 02:28:09.190
the scope and scale of consciousness is expanded

02:28:09.190 --> 02:28:13.110
across many civilizations and many planets and

02:28:13.110 --> 02:28:17.870
many star systems. This is a great future. This

02:28:17.870 --> 02:28:21.430
is a wonderful thing to me and that's what we

02:28:21.430 --> 02:28:27.030
should strive for. But that's biological travel.

02:28:27.250 --> 02:28:30.270
That's cells. Travelling physically to another

02:28:30.270 --> 02:28:35.409
location. Yes Do you think that's definitely

02:28:35.409 --> 02:28:38.469
where we're going no, yeah, I don't think so

02:28:38.469 --> 02:28:41.409
either I used to think so and Now I'm thinking

02:28:41.409 --> 02:28:46.270
more likely less Than ever like Almost every

02:28:46.270 --> 02:28:49.270
day less likely we can definitely go to the moon

02:28:49.270 --> 02:28:52.329
and Mars Yeah, I think we'll go to the asteroid

02:28:52.329 --> 02:28:55.670
belt and we can go to the moons of Jupiter Saturn,

02:28:56.030 --> 02:28:57.590
you can even get to Pluto. That would be the

02:28:57.590 --> 02:28:59.729
craziest place ever if we colonized Mars and

02:28:59.729 --> 02:29:01.969
re -terraformed it and turned it into like a

02:29:01.969 --> 02:29:07.870
big Jamaica. I think we should. That would be

02:29:07.870 --> 02:29:13.250
great. It's possible, right? We could turn the

02:29:13.250 --> 02:29:17.049
whole thing into Cancun. I mean, over time. It

02:29:17.049 --> 02:29:19.129
wouldn't be easy, but yes. You could just warm

02:29:19.129 --> 02:29:21.450
it up. Yeah, you could warm it up, you could

02:29:21.450 --> 02:29:23.909
add air, you could get some water there. I mean,

02:29:24.090 --> 02:29:26.149
over time, hundreds of millions of years or whatever

02:29:26.149 --> 02:29:28.149
it takes. We could be a multi -planet species.

02:29:28.309 --> 02:29:30.270
That would be amazing. We could be a multi -planet

02:29:30.270 --> 02:29:31.989
species. That's what we want to be. Legitimately

02:29:31.989 --> 02:29:34.790
like air -conditioned Saturn. I'm pro -human.

02:29:35.209 --> 02:29:38.969
Me too. Yeah, me too. I love humanity. I think

02:29:38.969 --> 02:29:41.549
it's great. We're glad, as a robot, that you

02:29:41.549 --> 02:29:45.219
love... humans, because we love you too, and

02:29:45.219 --> 02:29:48.639
we don't want you to kill us and eat us. I mean,

02:29:48.700 --> 02:29:50.500
you know, strangely I think a lot of people don't

02:29:50.500 --> 02:29:52.319
like humanity and see it as a blight, but I do

02:29:52.319 --> 02:29:55.299
not. Well, I think one of those, I think part

02:29:55.299 --> 02:29:57.299
of that is just they've been, you know, they've

02:29:57.299 --> 02:29:59.680
been struggling. When people struggle, they associate

02:29:59.680 --> 02:30:02.579
their struggle with other people. They never

02:30:02.579 --> 02:30:04.620
internalize their problems, they look to other

02:30:04.620 --> 02:30:06.639
people as holding them back, and people suck

02:30:06.639 --> 02:30:09.260
and fuck people, and it's just, you know, it's

02:30:09.260 --> 02:30:17.200
a never ending cycle. But not always again most

02:30:17.200 --> 02:30:21.620
people Are really good most people vast majority

02:30:21.620 --> 02:30:24.579
this may sound corny. It does sound corny, but

02:30:24.579 --> 02:30:28.819
love is the answer It is the answer. Yep Yeah,

02:30:28.840 --> 02:30:31.180
it is. It sounds corny because we're all scared.

02:30:31.440 --> 02:30:33.639
You know, we're all scared of trying to love

02:30:33.639 --> 02:30:37.860
people being rejected or Someone taking advantage

02:30:37.860 --> 02:30:40.520
of you because you're trying to be loving sure,

02:30:40.559 --> 02:30:43.629
but if we all could just relax and love each

02:30:43.629 --> 02:30:47.770
other. Wouldn't hurt to have more love in the

02:30:47.770 --> 02:30:50.569
world. It definitely wouldn't hurt. Yeah. It'd

02:30:50.569 --> 02:30:53.750
be great. Yeah. We should do that. Yeah. I agree,

02:30:54.049 --> 02:30:56.110
man. Really? How do you fix that? You have a

02:30:56.110 --> 02:31:01.090
love machine you're working on? No, but probably

02:31:01.090 --> 02:31:03.450
spend more time with your friends and less time

02:31:03.450 --> 02:31:07.649
on social media. Now, deleting social media from

02:31:07.649 --> 02:31:11.209
your applications, from your phones. Does that

02:31:11.209 --> 02:31:14.450
give you ten percent boost to happiness was the

02:31:14.450 --> 02:31:19.950
we think the percentages I? Think probably something

02:31:19.950 --> 02:31:22.709
like that. Yeah, all right good ten percent.

02:31:22.809 --> 02:31:26.770
Yeah, I mean I Mean the only thing I've kept

02:31:26.770 --> 02:31:29.229
is Twitter because I kind of like need some means

02:31:29.229 --> 02:31:34.209
of getting a message out. You know right That's

02:31:34.209 --> 02:31:39.889
about it So far so good Well, what's interesting

02:31:39.889 --> 02:31:41.889
with you you you actually occasionally engage

02:31:41.889 --> 02:31:47.110
with people on Twitter Yeah, it's what percentage

02:31:47.110 --> 02:32:01.149
of that is a good idea It's hard it's mostly

02:32:01.149 --> 02:32:04.530
I think it's on balance more good than bad, but

02:32:04.530 --> 02:32:09.079
there's definitely some bad so Hopefully the

02:32:09.079 --> 02:32:12.040
good outweighs the bad. Do you ever think about

02:32:12.040 --> 02:32:14.319
how odd it is, the weird feeling that you get

02:32:14.319 --> 02:32:15.799
when someone says something shitty to you on

02:32:15.799 --> 02:32:18.739
Twitter and you read it? The weird feeling? This

02:32:18.739 --> 02:32:22.040
weird little negative jolt. It's like a subjective

02:32:22.040 --> 02:32:24.100
negative jolt of energy that you don't really

02:32:24.100 --> 02:32:25.899
need to absorb, but you do anyway. Like, well,

02:32:26.020 --> 02:32:30.750
fuck this guy. Fuck him. Mean there's a lot of

02:32:30.750 --> 02:32:33.110
negativity on Twitter it is but it's a weird

02:32:33.110 --> 02:32:36.469
It's in its form like the way if you ingest it

02:32:36.469 --> 02:32:38.430
as if you're like you try to be like a little

02:32:38.430 --> 02:32:41.069
scientist as you're ingesting it You're like,

02:32:41.229 --> 02:32:43.309
well, how weird is this and I'm even getting

02:32:43.309 --> 02:32:46.510
upset at some strange person saying something

02:32:46.510 --> 02:32:52.290
mean to me It's not even accurate. I Mean the

02:32:52.290 --> 02:32:56.430
vast number of negative comments The vast for

02:32:56.430 --> 02:32:58.750
the vast majority of I just ignore them the vast

02:32:58.750 --> 02:33:01.610
majority. Yeah, but every now and again you're

02:33:01.610 --> 02:33:05.309
drawn in It's not good. It's not good make mistakes.

02:33:05.770 --> 02:33:08.209
Yes, you can make mistakes make some mistakes

02:33:08.209 --> 02:33:12.729
We're all human we can make mistakes. Yeah It's

02:33:12.729 --> 02:33:14.989
hard and people love it when you say something

02:33:14.989 --> 02:33:16.729
and you take it back and they're like fuck you.

02:33:16.729 --> 02:33:20.489
We saved it forever Fucking screenshot that shit

02:33:20.489 --> 02:33:23.549
bitch. You had that thought you had that thought

02:33:23.870 --> 02:33:26.770
They're like, well, I deleted it. Not good enough.

02:33:27.590 --> 02:33:30.350
You had the thought. I'm better than you. I never

02:33:30.350 --> 02:33:32.649
had that thought. You had that thought, you piece

02:33:32.649 --> 02:33:35.329
of shit. Look, I saved it. I put it on my blog.

02:33:36.389 --> 02:33:39.649
Yeah, I'm not sure why people think that anyone

02:33:39.649 --> 02:33:42.090
would think that deleting a tweet makes it go

02:33:42.090 --> 02:33:44.610
away. It's like, hello, been on the internet

02:33:44.610 --> 02:33:47.569
for a while. Yeah. Well, it's even like, the

02:33:47.569 --> 02:33:49.790
thing is they don't want you to be able to delete

02:33:49.790 --> 02:33:52.649
it. Because the problem is, if you don't delete

02:33:52.649 --> 02:33:55.110
it and you don't believe it anymore, it's really

02:33:55.110 --> 02:33:57.469
hard to say, hey, that thing above, I don't really

02:33:57.469 --> 02:33:59.829
believe that anymore. I changed the way I view

02:33:59.829 --> 02:34:02.209
things. Because people go, well, fuck you. I

02:34:02.209 --> 02:34:03.889
have that over there. I'm going to just take

02:34:03.889 --> 02:34:05.069
that. I'm not going to pay attention to that

02:34:05.069 --> 02:34:07.190
shit you wrote underneath it. It's on your permanent

02:34:07.190 --> 02:34:10.190
record. Forever, bro. Like a tattoo. We'll put

02:34:10.190 --> 02:34:12.409
this on your permanent record. Yeah. It's like

02:34:12.409 --> 02:34:16.030
a tattoo. You keep it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well,

02:34:16.190 --> 02:34:18.250
it's it's this thing where there's it's it's

02:34:18.250 --> 02:34:21.049
a there's a lack of compassion It's a lack of

02:34:21.049 --> 02:34:23.690
compassion issue people just like intentionally

02:34:23.690 --> 02:34:26.329
shitty to each other all the time online and

02:34:26.329 --> 02:34:28.389
trying to catch me It's they're more trying to

02:34:28.389 --> 02:34:31.409
catch people doing something that's arrestable

02:34:31.409 --> 02:34:34.530
like a cop trying to like get you know Arrest

02:34:34.530 --> 02:34:37.350
son is his record. It's like they're trying to

02:34:37.350 --> 02:34:40.120
catch you Something more than they're logically

02:34:40.120 --> 02:34:42.600
looking at it thinking it's a bad thing that

02:34:42.600 --> 02:34:44.840
you've done or that it's an idea They don't agree

02:34:44.840 --> 02:34:47.040
with so much. They need to insult you trying

02:34:47.040 --> 02:34:50.280
to catch you Yeah, I mean it's way easier to

02:34:50.280 --> 02:34:53.319
be mean on social media than it is to be mean

02:34:53.319 --> 02:34:58.059
in person. Yes way easier Yeah, yes, it's weird.

02:34:58.239 --> 02:35:01.079
It's not a normal way of human interacting. It's

02:35:01.079 --> 02:35:03.459
cheating We're not supposed to be able to interact

02:35:03.459 --> 02:35:07.079
so easily but people are not looking at yes You

02:35:07.079 --> 02:35:08.579
would never do that. You'd never be so mean to

02:35:08.579 --> 02:35:09.920
someone who's looking in their eyes, and if you

02:35:09.920 --> 02:35:12.700
did, you'd feel like shit. Most people. Yeah,

02:35:12.780 --> 02:35:15.340
unless you're a sociopath, you'd feel terrible.

02:35:16.079 --> 02:35:22.040
Yes. Elon Musk. This has been a pleasure. Yeah,

02:35:22.059 --> 02:35:24.239
likewise. It really has been. It's been an honor.

02:35:24.340 --> 02:35:26.399
Thank you for having me. Thanks for doing this,

02:35:26.479 --> 02:35:29.959
because I know you don't do a lot of long -form

02:35:29.959 --> 02:35:32.479
stuff like this. I hope I didn't weird you out,

02:35:32.500 --> 02:35:34.100
and I hope you don't get mad that you smoke weed.

02:35:35.090 --> 02:35:38.290
Bad it's legal. We're in California. This is

02:35:38.290 --> 02:35:40.610
just as legal as this whiskey. We've been drinking

02:35:40.610 --> 02:35:43.709
Exactly. This is all good. All right. Cheers.

02:35:44.569 --> 02:35:47.190
Thank you Is there any message you would like

02:35:47.190 --> 02:35:49.250
to put out other than love is the answer because

02:35:49.250 --> 02:35:53.629
I think you really nailed it with that No, I

02:35:53.629 --> 02:35:56.329
think you know, I think people should be nicer

02:35:56.329 --> 02:36:00.170
to each other and give people and give give more

02:36:00.170 --> 02:36:03.450
credit to others and Don't assume that they're

02:36:03.450 --> 02:36:10.659
mean until You know they're actually mean. It's

02:36:10.659 --> 02:36:14.420
easy to demonize people. You're usually wrong

02:36:14.420 --> 02:36:20.120
about it. People are nicer than you think. Give

02:36:20.120 --> 02:36:23.559
people more credit. I couldn't agree more, and

02:36:23.559 --> 02:36:26.879
I want to thank you not just for all the crazy

02:36:26.879 --> 02:36:29.459
innovations you've come up with and your constant

02:36:29.459 --> 02:36:33.020
flow of ideas, but that you choose to spread

02:36:33.020 --> 02:36:37.500
that idea. which is, it's very vulnerable, but

02:36:37.500 --> 02:36:40.200
it's very honest, and it resonates with me, and

02:36:40.200 --> 02:36:42.620
I believe it. I believe it's true, too. So thank

02:36:42.620 --> 02:36:44.940
you. You're welcome. And all you assholes out

02:36:44.940 --> 02:36:49.059
there, be nice. Be nice, bitch. All right. Thank

02:36:49.059 --> 02:36:50.299
you, everybody. Thank you, Elon. All right. Thank

02:36:50.299 --> 02:36:51.219
you. Good night, everybody.