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And welcome back to the PD Football Podcast.

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My name is Presh. My name is Darren. And how

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are you doing today? I'm good, I'm good. Not

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too fatigued today, so a little bit of a different

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answer. Things are off, things are off. Everything

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is off balance now. Everything is off balance.

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I don't know if it's the coffee. I didn't get

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much sleep, so it can't be the sleep. I feel

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okay. What about you? I'm good. My granddad has

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been having some problems with his eyes. Oh,

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I mean, they wouldn't know. Yeah, the listeners

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wouldn't know. But yes, so I took him to the

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surgery and I've just been chilling in the hospital

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all day. Not like for surgery. Is he back home

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now? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll go have a chat with

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him when we're done here. Yes, but so yeah, it's

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been quite a boring day for me. I've just been

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walking around the hospital. No, I mean, that's

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not... It's boring, I guess, but you're taking

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care of your family. You're doing the important

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stuff. Yeah, sure, sure, sure. But I'm just saying,

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you know, just because it's important doesn't

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mean it's fun. It's not entertaining. Yeah. To

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have a sick granddad. Yeah, definitely not. We're

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still on the international break. Therefore,

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we're doing another Evergreen episode. That means

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you can listen to it anytime and it will still

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be largely how we feel as opposed to our regular

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episodes where opinions can change on a week

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-to -week basis. For this little exercise, the

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rules we imposed when making the list is that

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we can only have one player per club. however

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with this rule we did some let's call it creative

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accounting bending yeah rule bending just to

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fit certain people in so uh we'll see how that

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plays out and i think especially in my list i

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haven't heard or seen your list but there's going

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to be a bias towards newer players because i

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believe that the sport has moved on since the

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90s I think I also had a balance of new and old.

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I do as well. I have older players, but I'm just

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trying to say that if you're thinking, oh, wow,

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this list is very new, or there's a bias, I'm

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explaining why. Yeah, I would agree that the

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level is harder now, but I also selected a lot

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of players based on how I think they would have

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been coached in the modern game if they had come

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around. All right. So do you want to start or

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is there anything else you want to say before

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we begin? No, not much. We can start. Okay. I

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assume we're going to do the same thing as last

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week where I give one pick, you give one pick.

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But if we have the same pick, we'll just speak

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about it together. Yeah, we'll speak about it

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together. But I guess... First of all, which

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formation did you set your team up in? 4 -3 -3.

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Yeah, pretty much the same for me. Just regular

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back four, a CDM, 2 -8, and a front three. Yeah,

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pretty much. I went with an 8 and a... Yeah,

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probably two 8s, but I guess... You can say an

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8 and a 10, whatever. Like Pep Guardiola said,

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formations are just phone numbers. They don't

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mean much when the game starts. In attack, you

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can be in a certain way. In defense, you can

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be in a certain way. Saying 4 -4 -2 doesn't really

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give you any information. I mean, it does give

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you information, but I mean, anyway, let's just

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carry on, right? So, do you want to start with

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goalkeeper? I mean, my goalkeeper pick, he played

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for Fulham and Man United, but I selected him

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with Fulham because I wanted more Man United

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picks. I picked Edwin van der Sar. I was told,

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Alisson, for me, is the greatest goalkeeper in

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Premier League history, but I wanted to use my

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Liverpool pick elsewhere, you know. So yeah,

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Edwin van der Sar, I think. Do you want to give

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us some basic... I think he was probably like...

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I think him and Peter Trek, maybe. I didn't watch

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much of Peter Schmeichel, but I think from the

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formative years where I began watching the Premier

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League, they were the two standout keepers, you

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know. I guess with Peter Trek, I couldn't really

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fit him in based on the two clubs he played for,

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and I wanted other players from those clubs,

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you know. So I think van der Sar, like, you know,

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he was probably one of the best. I think in his

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time, probably very similar to David De Gea later

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on, I think there were times where his shot -stopping

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could win a game on its own. I think his shot

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-stopping and cross -claiming was probably the

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standout feature in his game, from what I remember.

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He was a traditional goalkeeper, so I think he

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had a lot of traits that could have translated

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to the modern game. I mean, if you go back and

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watch Van der Sar, a lot of his clearances are

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targeted. When he clears out from the back. So

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I guess if he played in a more modern system.

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I guess coming from a Dutch school of thought

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as well. Maybe he would have been a bit better

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at playing out. There's no saying. But I think

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he had good passing technique. And yeah. Was

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one of the best goalkeepers of his time. I think.

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Cool. Similarly I went with a United keeper.

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But not Van der Sar. I went with Peter Schmeichel.

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Yeah. Again, so with last week when we were speaking

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about our underrated, overrated players, I completely

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ignored players that I've never watched. And

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I have to be honest, I've barely watched Peter

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Schmeichel, you know, maybe once or twice when

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he was very old. But from what I've heard from

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older fans and from what I've read, he's just

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simply the most commanding, domineering presence

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in the area that there's ever been. Did you use

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him as your man? No, no, no, sorry. He's my Aston

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Villa pick. Oh, Aston Villa, okay. That's why

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when I call it creative accounting, that's exactly

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what it is. I'm moving things around in the back.

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I'm guessing you have no room for Philip Coutinho

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in your team. Absolutely not. Absolutely. Well,

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I could fit in the players that he funded in

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this list, but not him himself. But yeah. So

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five league titles, domineering, commanding presence,

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like I mentioned. How many league titles did

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Fender saw? Probably around the same, eh? uh

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he joined in like 2004 -5 for united also probably

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four three yeah so not as i don't think as much

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as michael but i don't the amount of winning

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played a small part in my decision but uh it's

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more about how people speak about him and how

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he changed the goalkeeper role a lot more goalkeepers

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they just focused on uh you know just saving

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and stuff but he's him like he was a leader as

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well Yeah, he took initiative. Yes, and he...

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Who commanded the back four. The stability he

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provided to the back four was huge. Again, this

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is all just what I've heard about him. So, from

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my research, the only person who comes close

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is Peter Cech. I mean, I would make an argument

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for Alisson, but... He's still playing, that's

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the issue. But yeah, Schmeichel just... From

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the way people talk about him, I think he's just

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the number one goalkeeper of all... Of Premier

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League all time. Yeah, I mean, obviously, I think

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the... Like you said, titles will come into it.

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But I think if we're talking about purely a goalkeeper

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as being the best, I think Alisson is probably

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the most commanding figure. Yeah, that's the

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thing. Because time has moved on. And because

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he can do both very good distribution as well

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as... Yeah, but then that's the thing. I mean,

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we couldn't have known what Schmeichel or Van

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der Sar would have been like. In this era, yes.

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Yeah, that's true. So, yeah. My pick for right

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back is Kieran Trappier. which is my Newcastle

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pick. I used my Liverpool pick at right back,

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obviously. I went for Trent. We've kind of had

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the same discussion in the past couple of weeks,

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but just very briefly, let's just recount it

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and then move on. I just believe, the case I'm

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making for Trippier is that I would say that

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the four of his generation is the best four in

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the history of the league. Okay, we're totally

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discounting Gary Neville because neither of us

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rate him that much. So yeah, Walker, Trent, James,

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Trippier. Those were the four of their generation.

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And I believe Trippier is the most balanced.

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And he got into the PFA Team of the Year once.

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So that's my argument for Trippier. I think Trippier

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is probably... We discussed it last week, obviously.

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We put him in your underrated list. I think he

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is one of the most... Traditionally speaking,

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he's a lot like Ben White. Like Ben White today,

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I guess you would say he's probably, in terms

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of a complete profile at right back, probably

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the best in the league right now. In that, he's

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a defender first. But he still has a wicked cross

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on him. He got quite a few assists. Yeah, and

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his dead ball distribution was really good as

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well. He scored quite a few free kicks. I think

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he's a good pick. Just me, Trent is one of my

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favourite footballers ever. I think if I had

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come around watching football now, he's the type

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of player that would have made me want to play.

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So it could be a personal decision. I know there's

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been games where he's shocking defensively. You

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would know better than anyone, but I just love

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him as a player. So that's the basis of my decision.

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I love his passing. I think the amount of...

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gameplay he can generate with within like seconds

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or a moment even if he's done nothing in the

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whole game it's really uh it's only probably

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matched by a player who'll probably be in both

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of our midfields but uh i think uh yeah he's

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one of my favorite footballers of all time so

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i used my liverpool pick for trent at right back

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all right do you want to give us your center

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by your first center back pick my first center

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back pick i used southampton And I went with,

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for me, the best defender I've ever seen in my

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life, Virgil van Dijk. So I would say I've watched,

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I mean, you know, I watched maybe... Nesta and

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Maldini at the end of their career, so I wouldn't

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have seen their prime where everyone spoke about

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them. I watched a lot of John Terry, I watched

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a lot of Rio Ferdinand. Everyone has their own

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opinions, even Vidic, but for me, him and Ramos

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are the best I've seen, and he's just consistent,

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he's the most complete, and maybe he doesn't

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have the same big moments as Ramos, like we speak

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about all the time. Maybe Gabriel has big moments.

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Still not on the level of Ramos, but I'm saying

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he's a player who's probably not as polished

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defensively, but has big moments. But for me,

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I don't think there's been a better defender

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that I've seen. with my eyes than Virgil van

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Dijk. So I did exactly the same as you, Van Dijk,

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Southampton. Again, possibly the best centre

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-back in the history of the game even, not just

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the Premier League. You know, his trophy cabinet

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is not as decorated as a lot of his peers, but

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just in terms of play, overall play, his distribution

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from a centre -back to just, you know, ping the

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ball out 70 -odd metres to Salah. Salah will

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get in in good areas. His domination... aerially

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in the opponent's box he has quite a few goals

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yeah just he's such a leader and if we talk about

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impact when we when he signed him from Southampton

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even though I know we I called him a Southampton

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player but when we signed him I thought 75 million

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that's ridiculous we shouldn't be paying that

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much for a defender now it's like a bargain yes

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in hindsight it looks like an absolute bargain

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I think both him and Allison people were questioning

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the valuation and I think It turned out to be

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more than worth it. Time has proven that the

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investment was worth it. And that's exactly how

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I feel about Van Dijk. He took us from like a

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good top four challenging team to a title challenging

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team, almost single -handedly. Yeah, I mean,

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I think, you know, the season where I think Messi

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maybe edged him to the ball and all people would

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argue either way. Some people think he deserved

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it. Some people think Messi deserved it. But

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that season, I'd never seen a defender -carrier

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team like that where you could say almost in

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every game he was the most impactful player in

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the game. Even in the two legs against Barcelona,

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I'd say him. And obviously in the second leg,

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I think the players taking the initiative, using

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the moments at different times. Everyone came

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together. But I'd say in that Premier League

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and Champions League campaign, okay, you guys

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came close, didn't win the Premier League. But

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that season, he was sensational. I don't think

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I've... His consistency, he's always been at

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that level, but I think that season was something

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I'd never seen. I didn't know a defender could

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have that much impact on a football pitch, a

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central defender especially. And similarly, we

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spoke about Santi Cazorla last week, about injuries

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hampering his career. Van Dijk had a really bad

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injury, which he did recover from, but he's not

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as dominant. as good as he used to be after post

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-injury. Yeah, I'd still say that probably on

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his day, I mean, maybe this season, you'd say

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Saliba has edged ahead of him. But you'd say

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generally, if he's on, there's still no better

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defender in the world than him. Absolutely. So

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for my other centre -back, I went for John Terry.

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He's my Chelsea pick. won five league titles,

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four -time PFA Team of the Year player. I mean,

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in the Team of the Year, not Playoff the Year.

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That's what I mean. Just captain, leader, legend.

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Now, he started playing, like, before I was,

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you know, watching football regularly. So, you

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know, there might be people who kind of discount

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his earlier years or, you know, whatever. So

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I didn't get the full picture of him. But to

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me, he was much better than Ferdinand and Vidic.

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I mean, I like Vidic more, but everyone has their

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arguments. Alright, so who's your other centre

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-back pick? My other centre -back pick? I was

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trying to save my big team picks for the midfield

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and the attack, so I went with a Portsmouth player,

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but actually he's an Arsenal legend. He joined

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us from Tottenham, so I'm going for Saul Campbell.

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Wow. The Judas himself on the other end of North

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London. But yeah, again, obviously as an Arsenal

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fan, you have a personal affinity to him. I think

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in the season, maybe prior to us being invincibles

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for two or three years, a lot of people in that

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time speak of him as probably one of the top

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two or three defenders in the world for that

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period. So when I watched him, I remember I used

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to play centre -back. because of my height and

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a lot of the videos coaches would tell me to

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study would be based on Sol Campbell so it's

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like I think he was obviously in that day and

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age Wenger's team were considered the team that

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made the most play you know generally played

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out not to the degree of Pep Guardiola but they

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were considered the team that were playing out

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or holding on to the ball the most. I think he

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was a part of that. His passing was sensational.

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I think some of his carrying of the ball was

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sensational. Again, one of those players who

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you think, OK, if he came around under Guardiola,

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what could he have been like? Perhaps the error

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prevented him from reaching his full potential

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because we see, especially athletic centre -backs

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now, their talent is used a lot more. He's very

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similar to Gabriel Lo Celiba, I think. So, yeah,

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that's my second centre -back pick, Saul Campbell.

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All right, pretty good. Who is your left -back

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pick? My left -back pick, I went with Hull City,

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so I went with Andy Robertson. Oh, nice. Probably,

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I mean, generally when it comes to Premier League

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left -backs, the debate is between Ashley Cole

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and Andy Robertson these days, but I'm not going

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anywhere near Ashley Cole just because I don't

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like him. Cashly Cole. Although, as a neutral,

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I understood why he made the decision he did,

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but as an Arsenal fan, I'm not putting him in

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my team. So I didn't want to waste a pick off

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Chelsea and Arsenal on Ashley Cole either. So,

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yeah, my pick. Any other stats or anything you

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want to say? No, I mean, obviously, I think there

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was the season you guys were challenging Man

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City or the three or four seasons where his defensive

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and his attacking numbers were crazy. I think

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there was a time him and Trent both had over

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12 assists in a season, which was, again, crazy,

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especially considering... that he had to do a

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lot of defensive covering for, you know, I mean,

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we speak about how much Trent pushes up and vacates

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space, which means a player like Andy Robertson

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or one of the midfielders has to constantly make

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adjustments and be aware of what's going on.

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I mean, it helps, again, playing next to probably

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the best defender and goalkeeper in the history

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of the league as well, you know. But, yeah, I

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think Andy Robertson probably, like you said,

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of Trippier, I think he could be the left back.

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iteration of Trippier just a very complete profile

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in his prime everything you'd want in left back

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you know similarly oh not similarly in fact oppositely

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I um I didn't know who to pick for this team

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I didn't want to use my big team picks for this

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and I forgot that Robertson played for Hull so

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I would the guy I picked was Leighton Baines

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for Everton oh really good I could have mentioned

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him in my underrated for last week in underrated

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players because you don't realize it, but he

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actually got 53 assists in the Premier League,

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which is crazy. That's crazy for a left -back.

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Yeah, just a defender in general, that's madness.

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So he held the record before Trenton Robertson

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came along for most assists. Yeah, I mean, sometimes

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you'd watch Everton play maybe when he was in

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his prime and he was like, even from left -back,

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the player that people would watch Everton for,

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you know, remember when... Fantasy football was

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first starting. He was like, oh, everyone was

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like, get Leighton Baines in your team because

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he was on set plays, he was on penalties, and

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he used to have a wicked cross, you know. Yes.

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Yeah, so I think perhaps I would go with Ashley

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Cole. I mean, I think he would generally be considered

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the best left back. But for the purposes of this

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list, I've chosen Leighton Baines. And I think,

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you know, all in all, they might give each other

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a good run for their money. Probably Ashley Cole

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will come out on top, but it's not as big a gap

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as you think. It's not as definitive as people

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think, yeah. So, CDM, who did you choose? Wait,

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sorry, did you choose a left -back? Oh, yeah,

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Robertson. Yeah, CDM, who's your choice? My CDM

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pick was from Leicester City. For me, the greatest

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holding midfielder in the history of this league

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in Golokante, I think. I would like, always when

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people talk about, oh, Arsenal could have signed

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Cristiano Ronaldo, Wenger didn't sign him, or

00:18:25.859 --> 00:18:28.119
Wenger could have signed Riyad Mahrez, Wenger

00:18:28.119 --> 00:18:30.940
could have signed Yaya Touré. The biggest, the

00:18:30.940 --> 00:18:33.640
most regret I have for signings that Wenger didn't

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follow through on is N 'Golo Kante, you know.

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I think the way he elevated Leicester, and then

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Chelsea, and then even the French national team

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all in the space of five years, it was a sensational

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peak for holding midfield, especially just...

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The way that Leicester team popped up, I think

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he was, a lot of people say Vardy, a lot of people

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say Mahrez, but I think the careers of all three

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of them show that he was the vital player in

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that team. He was the most important player in

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that team. And when he went to Chelsea the next

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season, I don't know why Eden Hazard won player

00:19:04.140 --> 00:19:06.319
of the season. I keep saying because in that

00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:08.259
season N 'Golo Kante was comfortably the best

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player in the league. I don't even think there

00:19:10.059 --> 00:19:12.950
was another player close to him. even from chelsea

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so you know i just love him one of my favorite

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footballers of all time as well absolutely i

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also pick kante for leicester as my cdm pick

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i just think it's an obvious one just a pretty

00:19:24.849 --> 00:19:27.750
easy give me but um if we had to think about

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other options i don't like older football fans

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uh has spoken about makalele about roy keen Vieira

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as potential CDM picks and I've seen Kante play

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and I don't think any of them would be you know

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again I didn't watch the rest of them but based

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on how they're spoken about versus what I've

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seen with Kante I mean I've watched I've watched

00:19:52.710 --> 00:19:56.250
a lot of Vieira games because like you have access

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to them you sometimes go back and watch old Arsenal

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games but I don't like yeah like I just again

00:20:02.109 --> 00:20:06.109
for me In the history of football, at least as

00:20:06.109 --> 00:20:08.690
long as I've watched, that position for me is

00:20:08.690 --> 00:20:11.250
defined by two players, Sergio Busquets and N

00:20:11.250 --> 00:20:13.130
'Golo Kante. They both played in different ways,

00:20:13.289 --> 00:20:17.369
but that's the peak of the holding midfield for

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me. So I don't think anyone gets close to him

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as far as the Premier League is concerned. Absolutely,

00:20:22.829 --> 00:20:26.730
absolutely. I 100 % agree with you. Now you're

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my number eight. Was the first name on my team

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sheet. Simply the best ever player to play in

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the history of the league. It was an absolute

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pleasure and privilege to watch him play every

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week. And that is KDB. Yeah. Just when he...

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He didn't retire. He said he was... He's also

00:20:43.200 --> 00:20:45.000
my number eight pick, so we can just discuss

00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:48.180
him. When he moved to Napoli, you just saw the

00:20:48.180 --> 00:20:50.960
tweets coming out that are like... this is what

00:20:50.960 --> 00:20:52.859
it must have felt like when Genghis Khan died.

00:20:53.200 --> 00:20:57.059
Because he was a conqueror. He came, he destroyed

00:20:57.059 --> 00:20:59.700
the league, and then he left. Truly the greatest

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player to ever play in the league. There's no,

00:21:01.500 --> 00:21:03.539
like... I don't know what else there is to say.

00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:06.519
If you were in this era and you actually watched

00:21:06.519 --> 00:21:08.759
him play week to week, it was such a pleasure.

00:21:08.920 --> 00:21:11.740
He did have quite a few injuries that it didn't

00:21:11.740 --> 00:21:13.839
keep him out for the season. It would keep him

00:21:13.839 --> 00:21:15.740
out for like maybe 10 games. And then when he

00:21:15.740 --> 00:21:17.920
came back, he would go on a crazy run where,

00:21:18.019 --> 00:21:21.900
you know... He would score or assist. Yeah, like

00:21:21.900 --> 00:21:25.369
there were times when... It was like neck and

00:21:25.369 --> 00:21:27.410
neck in the title race. Then he came in and he's

00:21:27.410 --> 00:21:29.950
just transformed things. Yeah, and with the quality

00:21:29.950 --> 00:21:33.329
of some of the assists and goals, it's like some

00:21:33.329 --> 00:21:35.450
of the best goals and assists probably we've

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seen, not just in the history of the Premier

00:21:37.049 --> 00:21:39.069
League, but probably the history of the sport.

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I struggle to think of a player who uses their

00:21:44.009 --> 00:21:46.109
ball -striking ability better in the history

00:21:46.109 --> 00:21:48.250
of the Premier League. Maybe Cristiano Ronaldo

00:21:48.250 --> 00:21:51.539
in his last season at Manchester United. Other

00:21:51.539 --> 00:21:54.019
than that, just his usage, his weight of pass,

00:21:54.220 --> 00:21:57.460
like his pass selection. I think his ability

00:21:57.460 --> 00:21:59.640
to also carry the ball. I think he's good in

00:21:59.640 --> 00:22:01.839
transition. He's good whether the team is dominating.

00:22:02.119 --> 00:22:05.240
He's good even if your team is on the back foot

00:22:05.240 --> 00:22:07.559
because he's one of the hardest working midfielders.

00:22:07.559 --> 00:22:09.779
Also in his prime, off the ball. I just think

00:22:09.779 --> 00:22:12.640
as a coach, as a fan, he's everything you'd want

00:22:12.640 --> 00:22:17.400
in a footballer or midfielder. a bit underappreciated

00:22:17.400 --> 00:22:20.259
as well his footballing legacy in general because

00:22:20.259 --> 00:22:25.079
I think again coming after the era of the 2010s

00:22:25.079 --> 00:22:26.980
it was very hard for anyone to follow up you

00:22:26.980 --> 00:22:29.599
know we had Madrid and Barcelona putting together

00:22:29.599 --> 00:22:31.680
two of the greatest midfields the game has ever

00:22:31.680 --> 00:22:35.359
seen so I think KDB being at the back end of

00:22:35.359 --> 00:22:37.759
that, I don't think he got the respect that maybe

00:22:37.759 --> 00:22:39.819
he would have got if he had come around in a

00:22:39.819 --> 00:22:42.099
different era of the Premier League where there

00:22:42.099 --> 00:22:44.160
were more normal midfielders around in world

00:22:44.160 --> 00:22:47.559
football generally speaking. But definitely one

00:22:47.559 --> 00:22:49.660
of the greatest players of his generation. For

00:22:49.660 --> 00:22:53.240
me, comfortably the greatest Belgian player of

00:22:53.240 --> 00:22:56.180
his generation. I know people always talk about

00:22:56.180 --> 00:22:59.339
Hazard, Lukaku and the golden generation. Some

00:22:59.339 --> 00:23:01.940
people even say Moussa Dembele because I think...

00:23:02.299 --> 00:23:05.700
how well KDB played for Man City. People expected

00:23:05.700 --> 00:23:08.420
that to translate into something for Belgium.

00:23:08.559 --> 00:23:10.619
But again, it's like you're cutting the Marjolins

00:23:10.619 --> 00:23:14.779
thin. So losing to Argentina is not the worst,

00:23:14.839 --> 00:23:17.380
you know. It's like Messi is probably better

00:23:17.380 --> 00:23:19.799
than anyone we've ever seen. So I think it was

00:23:19.799 --> 00:23:23.200
hard. It was hard for KDB to make the same difference

00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:25.420
at Man City that he would have at Belgium. But

00:23:25.420 --> 00:23:28.220
I don't know why he got the slack for that. I

00:23:28.220 --> 00:23:30.259
think it's more because of how well he did for

00:23:30.259 --> 00:23:32.849
Man City, you know. Well, that's some high praise,

00:23:33.049 --> 00:23:36.190
and I'm going to go even higher by saying Messi,

00:23:36.329 --> 00:23:39.829
Ronaldo, KDB. That's my top three of this generation.

00:23:40.349 --> 00:23:42.890
That's your top three? Of this generation. I

00:23:42.890 --> 00:23:46.049
mean, I would, yeah, okay. That's a big shout

00:23:46.049 --> 00:23:48.430
because people love Neymar, they love Hazard,

00:23:48.450 --> 00:23:51.609
even Salah. You know, lots of names can be thrown

00:23:51.609 --> 00:23:54.849
out, but to me, KDB is number three. He's so

00:23:54.849 --> 00:23:56.990
good. Yeah, I would put him in the top five,

00:23:56.990 --> 00:24:00.799
but I think... I like Louis Suarez a lot. Even

00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:03.519
Suarez, I think he's ahead of Suarez. But to

00:24:03.519 --> 00:24:06.359
each their own. The last thing I want to say

00:24:06.359 --> 00:24:09.460
is, just like Messi, there's a lot of times where

00:24:09.460 --> 00:24:12.160
he got an assist and you think, not just how

00:24:12.160 --> 00:24:16.019
did he play it, how did he even see it? He doesn't

00:24:16.019 --> 00:24:18.480
look up and he'll play the ball and Aguero will

00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:21.180
pop up there and score. And you think, he didn't

00:24:21.180 --> 00:24:26.920
even look up. How did he know? A commentator

00:24:26.920 --> 00:24:28.859
was saying, I don't think KDB said it himself,

00:24:29.079 --> 00:24:31.019
but a commentator was saying that he probably

00:24:31.019 --> 00:24:36.059
has a map in his head that he can visualize the

00:24:36.059 --> 00:24:38.339
pitch without having to look and he can probably

00:24:38.339 --> 00:24:41.859
just hit it into space where he assumes people

00:24:41.859 --> 00:24:44.640
will be and then it works out. Yeah, it's almost

00:24:44.640 --> 00:24:46.799
like he's watching the game with the bird's eye

00:24:46.799 --> 00:24:49.279
view or watching it on TV. Not that you could

00:24:49.279 --> 00:24:51.799
even see it on TV, but I'm saying to see the

00:24:51.799 --> 00:24:56.470
gap on a ground level is crazy. So, yeah, KDB,

00:24:56.609 --> 00:24:58.029
the best player in the history of the league

00:24:58.029 --> 00:25:02.210
for me. Your number, either 8 or slash 10? My

00:25:02.210 --> 00:25:05.509
other number 10, I mean, obviously, I said earlier

00:25:05.509 --> 00:25:07.750
I put Ashley Cole out of the team because I didn't

00:25:07.750 --> 00:25:10.829
like him. But with this pick, I used to not like

00:25:10.829 --> 00:25:13.829
him. I mean, he's the player who made me, alongside

00:25:13.829 --> 00:25:16.690
I mentioned earlier, clearly a coach who made

00:25:16.690 --> 00:25:18.930
me fall in love with football. Oh, you didn't

00:25:18.930 --> 00:25:21.349
mention this episode. Yeah, I mean, in the last

00:25:21.349 --> 00:25:25.150
episode. Unfortunately, he snaked us in the end,

00:25:25.250 --> 00:25:28.250
but my number 10 pick is Cesc Fabregas from Chelsea.

00:25:28.490 --> 00:25:31.789
I used him as my Chelsea pick. I think probably

00:25:31.789 --> 00:25:36.250
if KDB didn't come along after that, the ability

00:25:36.250 --> 00:25:40.430
to create chances from nothing was probably never

00:25:40.430 --> 00:25:43.309
seen before Fabregas in that level in the Premier

00:25:43.309 --> 00:25:45.509
League. Maybe Thierry Henry, but he wasn't really

00:25:45.509 --> 00:25:48.069
a midfielder, and a lot of his chances that he

00:25:48.069 --> 00:25:51.410
created came through dribbling. and then passing

00:25:51.410 --> 00:25:54.390
the last man, whereas Fabregas was a range of

00:25:54.390 --> 00:25:56.609
passing. I guess it was something that was new

00:25:56.609 --> 00:25:59.650
to the Premier League in the time, to see a player

00:25:59.650 --> 00:26:01.849
who could consistently unlock teams with one

00:26:01.849 --> 00:26:05.519
pass. Not just that, he could play in all three

00:26:05.519 --> 00:26:08.200
midfield positions to probably an elite standard.

00:26:08.460 --> 00:26:10.420
I think that's why Pep Guardiola signed him at

00:26:10.420 --> 00:26:13.299
Barcelona, because he said he was the ultimate

00:26:13.299 --> 00:26:16.299
cover for all three positions. If Iniesta Xavi

00:26:16.299 --> 00:26:18.359
or Busquets got injured, you put Fabregas in

00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:21.400
and the level didn't drop off. And again, he's

00:26:21.400 --> 00:26:23.099
the player who made me fall in love with football

00:26:23.099 --> 00:26:26.519
as much as I ended up not liking what he did

00:26:26.519 --> 00:26:30.119
in the end by joining Chelsea. I can understand

00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:33.599
it. Now, as an adult, I didn't like it at the

00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:36.079
time, but I think he was going to Mourinho at

00:26:36.079 --> 00:26:38.319
the time, probably considered the second best

00:26:38.319 --> 00:26:40.839
coach in the world. So the team was built kind

00:26:40.839 --> 00:26:43.079
of around him for the first two seasons he was

00:26:43.079 --> 00:26:46.259
there. So I think all in all for me, I think

00:26:46.259 --> 00:26:48.700
it's a good number 10 pick for me. Him and KDB

00:26:48.700 --> 00:26:51.400
together, I think the interchangeability, having

00:26:51.400 --> 00:26:54.400
Kante to protect them, it makes sense as a midfield.

00:26:54.539 --> 00:26:55.900
You know, they can both play eight, they can

00:26:55.900 --> 00:26:59.849
both play 10. Something you didn't mention, I

00:26:59.849 --> 00:27:02.049
just thought about it as you were speaking. You

00:27:02.049 --> 00:27:04.549
said he could play any midfield position. He

00:27:04.549 --> 00:27:06.650
also played false nine for the Spanish national

00:27:06.650 --> 00:27:09.890
team where they won the Euros in 2012. So that

00:27:09.890 --> 00:27:12.769
just shows his versatility even more. He could

00:27:12.769 --> 00:27:15.730
just do anything everywhere. Top, top player.

00:27:15.849 --> 00:27:17.890
I agree with that. But he wasn't on my list,

00:27:17.970 --> 00:27:21.650
so I don't agree with that. I would assume. There's

00:27:21.650 --> 00:27:23.049
a Liverpool midfielder. There's a little bit

00:27:23.049 --> 00:27:27.529
of bias. I'm not going to say. Yeah, there's

00:27:27.529 --> 00:27:29.890
a little bit of bias in here when I pick Steven

00:27:29.890 --> 00:27:33.109
Gerrard as my other eight. Just to me, a midfield

00:27:33.109 --> 00:27:36.150
dynamo. He could, once again, play most positions.

00:27:36.589 --> 00:27:39.309
Sometimes, like, I recall a game where, I think

00:27:39.309 --> 00:27:41.150
it was like John Honorista or something. The

00:27:41.150 --> 00:27:43.349
left back got a red card and they slotted him

00:27:43.349 --> 00:27:46.210
at left back and he did a job. And it's like,

00:27:46.390 --> 00:27:50.480
you know. I would say. He is probably the most

00:27:50.480 --> 00:27:52.559
complete footballer the Premier League has ever

00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:55.200
seen, definitely. Obviously, it's a shame he

00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:57.900
never won the league, but he was in the PFA Team

00:27:57.900 --> 00:28:01.660
of the Year many times, five times, and he won

00:28:01.660 --> 00:28:05.480
PFA Player of the Year one time. A sensational

00:28:05.480 --> 00:28:09.859
footballer, again. The only reason I didn't pick

00:28:09.859 --> 00:28:11.920
him in my team was just because Trent is another

00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:15.339
player who made me consistently watch games to

00:28:15.339 --> 00:28:18.859
watch him, so it's a personal thing. Again, I

00:28:18.859 --> 00:28:21.200
would say Steven Gerrard is the most complete

00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:25.480
midfielder. Again, I think Cesc Fabregas and

00:28:25.480 --> 00:28:28.359
Kevin De Bruyne are equally complete. I don't

00:28:28.359 --> 00:28:31.160
think they have the same level of athleticism,

00:28:31.160 --> 00:28:33.200
but I don't think Gerrard had the same passing

00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:36.339
range of either of them. Not power, but ability

00:28:36.339 --> 00:28:38.240
to create. Yes, yes, I was going to say that.

00:28:38.319 --> 00:28:41.259
Not range, but ability to create. It can be argued

00:28:41.259 --> 00:28:43.700
either way, but I think he just missed out because

00:28:43.700 --> 00:28:46.329
I love Trent. But definitely for me... Probably

00:28:46.329 --> 00:28:49.029
the greatest Premier League midfielder of all

00:28:49.029 --> 00:28:51.970
time, definitely. So we were speaking about other

00:28:51.970 --> 00:28:55.089
people who might get in. Well, after KDB, sorry.

00:28:55.349 --> 00:28:58.430
Yes, yes, yes. So, like with goalkeeper, we said

00:28:58.430 --> 00:29:01.069
Schmeichel, but it could also be Cech. Are we

00:29:01.069 --> 00:29:03.490
leaving anyone out of the eight argument? I know

00:29:03.490 --> 00:29:06.549
Lampard and Scholes, but they don't really come

00:29:06.549 --> 00:29:08.430
into my thinking at all. Is there anyone else

00:29:08.430 --> 00:29:11.750
that you think we should give a shout -out to

00:29:11.750 --> 00:29:15.609
or something? I mean... Like I said, I just think

00:29:15.609 --> 00:29:19.289
I really liked Michael Essien's peak as a holding

00:29:19.289 --> 00:29:23.730
midfielder. I think 0 -4, 0 -5, 0 -6, that Chelsea

00:29:23.730 --> 00:29:26.220
team was probably... the most difficult team

00:29:26.220 --> 00:29:28.480
to beat in the history of the league i think

00:29:28.480 --> 00:29:30.819
they lost two games over two seasons in the league

00:29:30.819 --> 00:29:34.660
so sensational record i think uh yeah i think

00:29:34.660 --> 00:29:36.539
he deserves the honorable mention there i would

00:29:36.539 --> 00:29:39.000
say there's probably a quite a few players you

00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:40.740
know i don't like him but i think bernardo silver

00:29:40.740 --> 00:29:42.859
deserves a bit of an honorable mention i think

00:29:42.859 --> 00:29:46.140
especially in the big moments i think uh best

00:29:46.140 --> 00:29:48.460
ever 11 i don't think yeah i wouldn't say the

00:29:48.460 --> 00:29:50.680
best ever 11 i would even put david silver head

00:29:50.680 --> 00:29:52.980
off yeah i was gonna say david silver patrick

00:29:52.980 --> 00:29:55.900
vera we mentioned I think Roy Keane, I didn't

00:29:55.900 --> 00:29:58.680
watch much of him, but I know a lot of coaches

00:29:58.680 --> 00:30:01.319
have said he kind of redefined the holding midfield

00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:03.740
position in the modern game, and a lot of players

00:30:03.740 --> 00:30:08.220
built a blueprint around him. I mean, I'm sure

00:30:08.220 --> 00:30:10.140
there's players we're missing out, but I'm pretty

00:30:10.140 --> 00:30:13.680
happy with my selection so far. I think Luka

00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:17.559
Modric. Could be, but it wasn't really in this

00:30:17.559 --> 00:30:21.660
league. Yeah, exactly. So those are our midfields.

00:30:22.619 --> 00:30:24.940
And we did our defenses. Now we're getting into

00:30:24.940 --> 00:30:28.619
our attacks. And I think based on what we've

00:30:28.619 --> 00:30:31.079
both said so far, I think we have the same attack.

00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:33.440
Do you want to start with your right wing? My

00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:37.259
right wing was Cristiano Ronaldo as my Manchester

00:30:37.259 --> 00:30:40.720
United pick. Same. Yeah. So, I mean, obviously,

00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:44.849
probably. one of the top six or seven footballers

00:30:44.849 --> 00:30:48.829
to ever play the game. I think the infancy of

00:30:48.829 --> 00:30:52.890
him becoming a goat level, as people say, was

00:30:52.890 --> 00:30:55.250
at Manchester United. I think his last two seasons

00:30:55.250 --> 00:30:58.829
were very, very much like everything you'd want

00:30:58.829 --> 00:31:01.069
out of a Premier League winger. He was the perfect

00:31:01.069 --> 00:31:03.710
Premier League winger. Goals, assists, making

00:31:03.710 --> 00:31:06.369
things happen from nothing. I think the double

00:31:06.369 --> 00:31:09.579
winning season, a lot of games he... carried

00:31:09.579 --> 00:31:11.380
Man United through on his own. I don't think

00:31:11.380 --> 00:31:13.200
they were as great as the record books remember

00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:15.039
them as. I don't think they were as that. They

00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:17.240
managed to stay in games and then Ronaldo tilted

00:31:17.240 --> 00:31:20.359
the balance in their favor. Obviously, I think

00:31:20.359 --> 00:31:23.799
the speed, especially his speed, his ability,

00:31:23.980 --> 00:31:26.900
his technique to control his speed, the way he

00:31:26.900 --> 00:31:29.819
manages his body, definitely, I think it'll be

00:31:29.819 --> 00:31:32.259
hard to leave him out. You might not like him.

00:31:32.339 --> 00:31:34.519
I think neither of us really like him as a person.

00:31:35.579 --> 00:31:39.500
So, I mean, we've been here having... Much joy

00:31:39.500 --> 00:31:41.579
that in the end, Messi's kind of walked over

00:31:41.579 --> 00:31:43.839
him in the debate, but there's no walking over

00:31:43.839 --> 00:31:46.299
Ronaldo. What he's done in his career speaks

00:31:46.299 --> 00:31:48.400
for itself. I think one of the greatest players

00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:51.019
to ever play the game. For me, he deserves a

00:31:51.019 --> 00:31:52.740
spot on the team. I had to find a way to put

00:31:52.740 --> 00:31:55.099
him in, so I used my Man United pick on him.

00:31:55.359 --> 00:31:59.900
Same. I could have done Salah for Liverpool and

00:31:59.900 --> 00:32:03.980
Scholes for United, but I chose Gerrard and Ronaldo

00:32:03.980 --> 00:32:07.079
because... a little bit of nostalgia played a

00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:09.480
part because even though he was against us that

00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:12.019
era of the premier league was so fun and so like

00:32:12.019 --> 00:32:14.980
yeah that was when i guess everything was like

00:32:14.980 --> 00:32:17.160
free -flowing you know just i wouldn't say it's

00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:19.700
as fluid like today i guess you get more fluidity

00:32:19.700 --> 00:32:21.519
within the structure player swapping positions

00:32:22.509 --> 00:32:25.250
But the chaos, the chaos, that was the most chaotic

00:32:25.250 --> 00:32:28.049
era. And I think it allowed, like we were saying

00:32:28.049 --> 00:32:29.970
earlier, it allowed the individual talents to

00:32:29.970 --> 00:32:32.190
come and make a difference, you know. Yes. Now,

00:32:32.349 --> 00:32:34.769
you were saying that the infancy of his go -to

00:32:34.769 --> 00:32:38.349
-bait was at United. I would say I liked him

00:32:38.349 --> 00:32:41.150
more at United than at Real Madrid because he

00:32:41.150 --> 00:32:45.049
had a dribbling bag. At Madrid, like maybe early

00:32:45.049 --> 00:32:47.809
on he did, but like in his prime years at, not

00:32:47.809 --> 00:32:50.339
prime. what would you call it, his most successful

00:32:50.339 --> 00:32:52.940
years at Madrid. He wasn't dribbling, he was

00:32:52.940 --> 00:32:55.259
just, you know, scoring. And people would say

00:32:55.259 --> 00:32:58.660
stat padding. So, whereas at United he was all

00:32:58.660 --> 00:33:00.660
over the pitch, he was, you know, dominant, he

00:33:00.660 --> 00:33:02.779
was just, he would run down the wing and just

00:33:02.779 --> 00:33:04.940
tear you apart. Yeah, I mean, I guess he picked

00:33:04.940 --> 00:33:07.019
up a lot of injuries when he got to Madrid. To

00:33:07.019 --> 00:33:09.200
be fair, yes. He had to reinvent his game and

00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:12.440
he reinvented it well, you know. I mean... To

00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:14.779
be fair, that is true, but I'm just saying I

00:33:14.779 --> 00:33:18.059
preferred him much more at United. And people...

00:33:18.680 --> 00:33:20.900
Just because of his Madrid career, people don't

00:33:20.900 --> 00:33:23.619
really remember that United time anymore. Plus,

00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:26.440
he came back to United, and that is what people

00:33:26.440 --> 00:33:29.319
kind of remember now. But even in that time,

00:33:29.380 --> 00:33:31.980
he was the best player for the six months or

00:33:31.980 --> 00:33:35.259
so that he was there. I didn't. I actually totally

00:33:35.259 --> 00:33:37.299
forgot that he came back to the league when I

00:33:37.299 --> 00:33:38.819
was doing my research. I'm like, oh shit, he

00:33:38.819 --> 00:33:41.680
did. So maybe... He scored a hat -trick against

00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:44.799
Arsenal. Maybe that should be a point against

00:33:44.799 --> 00:33:47.160
him, his second stint in the Premier League.

00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:49.779
But even then, I still feel he is, you know,

00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:52.319
quite... It wasn't a bad stint for a 38 -year

00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:54.859
-old. Of course not, yeah. I think in a lot of

00:33:54.859 --> 00:33:57.160
ways, he kept them... He was the reason they

00:33:57.160 --> 00:33:59.700
managed to get in Europe that season, you know.

00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:03.700
Yes. Any special mentions at right wing? I think

00:34:03.700 --> 00:34:07.519
the obvious one is Salah. Obviously Mo. And people

00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:09.519
are going to be like, oh, he's even more underrated

00:34:09.519 --> 00:34:11.539
because you're not putting him on the list or

00:34:11.539 --> 00:34:13.760
whatever. Yeah, I mean... Just like we mentioned

00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:16.179
last week in the overrated, underrated episode,

00:34:16.219 --> 00:34:19.340
I feel he's a little bit overrated because the

00:34:19.340 --> 00:34:22.480
system that Klopp played, played to his strengths.

00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:24.099
Played to his strengths. Whereas there's other

00:34:24.099 --> 00:34:27.869
players who shine despite their... being played

00:34:27.869 --> 00:34:30.670
out of position or like you know not having ideal

00:34:30.670 --> 00:34:34.989
circumstances so like this season when slot changed

00:34:34.989 --> 00:34:38.530
tactics and Salah had to play wider he's been

00:34:38.530 --> 00:34:42.329
much worse and that loss in confidence has led

00:34:42.329 --> 00:34:47.050
to like a dip in form so you know other players

00:34:47.050 --> 00:34:49.989
didn't go through that and it's just because

00:34:49.989 --> 00:34:52.969
Ronaldo is so great that's why Salah can't get

00:34:52.969 --> 00:34:56.320
in but Yeah, I mean, his numbers also speak for

00:34:56.320 --> 00:34:59.420
themselves, I think. Salah's one of those players

00:34:59.420 --> 00:35:02.679
who's like, you know, he gives you output or

00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:04.619
he doesn't give you anything, but he gives you

00:35:04.619 --> 00:35:06.800
output enough for you to consistently... He'll

00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:08.900
give you, like, output 70 % of the time, which

00:35:08.900 --> 00:35:12.480
is crazy. Yeah, which is... I mean, that's ultimately

00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:14.320
what you need in the game, you know. It's like

00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:16.280
output matters more than anything. People can

00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:19.320
say, where's the big moment, whatever, whatever.

00:35:19.480 --> 00:35:21.280
I mean, you can make that argument against anyone

00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:24.360
because... like okay what are the big moments

00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:27.079
again people always say hazard is a big game

00:35:27.079 --> 00:35:29.019
player that's what they define him as but those

00:35:29.019 --> 00:35:31.139
big games are exclusively in the league i mean

00:35:31.139 --> 00:35:33.519
we said that like last time he well for me the

00:35:33.519 --> 00:35:35.860
big games are the champions league yeah that's

00:35:35.860 --> 00:35:37.880
what i'll say from the quarters upwards i'm saying

00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:39.559
if you're making the argument that he's not a

00:35:39.559 --> 00:35:43.039
big game player but People are dividing the line

00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:45.420
between him and Hazard when they're debating

00:35:45.420 --> 00:35:47.659
both of them by saying that, oh, Hazard was better

00:35:47.659 --> 00:35:50.320
in big games. I don't think that's the case because

00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:52.139
Salah has a better record against all of the

00:35:52.139 --> 00:35:55.679
top six. All right, all right. We're getting

00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:58.519
off topic. We're getting to the Salah -Hazard

00:35:58.519 --> 00:36:00.760
debate. Yeah, I mean, that's a bit off topic,

00:36:00.820 --> 00:36:03.599
but I'm just saying, yeah, I think his numbers

00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:06.679
also speak for themselves. But obviously, I mean,

00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:09.760
Salah -Ronaldo, I'm going with Ronaldo, you know.

00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:14.539
Okay. For me, my striker, Alan Shearer, I just

00:36:14.539 --> 00:36:16.519
don't think there was any way we could make this,

00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:19.000
or me, I couldn't make this list without having

00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:22.139
Shearer on it. Yeah, I mean, I didn't watch a

00:36:22.139 --> 00:36:24.980
single Shearer game. Neither did I, but the legacy

00:36:24.980 --> 00:36:27.840
is there. We're all aware of the legacy, despite,

00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:31.039
and, oh, sorry, he's my Blackburn pick, I should

00:36:31.039 --> 00:36:33.320
say, because Shapiro was the Newcastle pick.

00:36:33.500 --> 00:36:36.820
Yeah, Shearer, just the best scorer in the history

00:36:36.820 --> 00:36:40.789
of the league. 260 goals which is nobody's close

00:36:40.789 --> 00:36:44.449
to that Kane was in his like Kane was like 33

00:36:44.449 --> 00:36:48.369
and he had 217 so he would have to play like

00:36:48.369 --> 00:36:51.909
another like maybe 3 -4 seasons to get what Shearer

00:36:51.909 --> 00:36:55.010
got and Shearer played in the old first division

00:36:55.010 --> 00:36:57.869
so some of his goals didn't didn't get tallied

00:36:57.869 --> 00:37:02.190
up this 260 is only for the Premier League Like,

00:37:02.190 --> 00:37:03.809
yeah, it was a different era, so it's hard to

00:37:03.809 --> 00:37:06.889
understand what football is like. My centre -forward

00:37:06.889 --> 00:37:09.289
pick was Thierry Henry because I didn't watch

00:37:09.289 --> 00:37:12.050
much of Alan Shearer. And obviously, I think

00:37:12.050 --> 00:37:17.869
for me, Henry was just a joy to watch. I think

00:37:17.869 --> 00:37:20.650
he could adapt, he could vacate space, allow.

00:37:21.230 --> 00:37:23.670
Especially, I think, if you look at the way Guardiola

00:37:23.670 --> 00:37:25.650
signed him and used him at Barcelona. I know

00:37:25.650 --> 00:37:28.489
that wasn't in his Arsenal days, but Guardiola

00:37:28.489 --> 00:37:31.010
used him as kind of a player that could... drag

00:37:31.010 --> 00:37:33.050
the ball like you know create space for Messi

00:37:33.050 --> 00:37:35.829
create space for Pedro which was I guess something

00:37:35.829 --> 00:37:37.989
that people didn't expect or even Samuel Eto

00:37:37.989 --> 00:37:41.610
'o I guess in the long run he proved that he

00:37:41.610 --> 00:37:44.050
was the more complete player than Samuel Eto

00:37:44.050 --> 00:37:46.289
'o by being able to adapt to that system by being

00:37:46.289 --> 00:37:48.690
the player that Pep Guardiola needed I guess

00:37:48.690 --> 00:37:52.449
to finish off the the puzzle you know in in winning

00:37:52.449 --> 00:37:56.650
everything so I think yeah you know like most

00:37:56.650 --> 00:37:59.519
people I think generally the neutral opinion

00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:01.940
is that he's the greatest Premier League player.

00:38:02.059 --> 00:38:04.679
I mean, we both disagree with that opinion. I

00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:07.179
think KDB is above him. I think in time KDB will

00:38:07.179 --> 00:38:08.940
get that slot. It's just that he doesn't have

00:38:08.940 --> 00:38:11.760
the nostalgia factor yet, you know. but yeah

00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:15.460
i think uh and i just think striker of a forward

00:38:15.460 --> 00:38:17.920
role is more shiny or flashier than a midfielder

00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:20.599
defensive role so it's harder to shine in those

00:38:20.599 --> 00:38:23.840
roles than a striker who goals are you know what

00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:26.219
gets people out of their seats yeah so and i

00:38:26.219 --> 00:38:28.539
mean just i think his ability to play as a traditional

00:38:28.539 --> 00:38:31.079
nine or false nine to play on the transition

00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:34.599
or in possession i just uh yeah i mean he didn't

00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:37.179
have a lot of big game performances as people

00:38:37.179 --> 00:38:40.659
say but i think If you look at France, he had

00:38:40.659 --> 00:38:42.679
a number of big game performances. So I think

00:38:42.679 --> 00:38:44.699
it's more the way Wenger coached him. I think

00:38:44.699 --> 00:38:47.239
Wenger didn't coach big games well, generally.

00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:50.639
And I think even when he had the Invincibles,

00:38:50.739 --> 00:38:52.400
which at the time were probably the best team

00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:55.079
in the world, in terms of squad depth, assembled

00:38:55.079 --> 00:39:00.239
by, I think it was Pat Rice at the time. But

00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:02.860
yeah, they gave him the best team in the world.

00:39:02.900 --> 00:39:05.380
He went undefeated. But I still think in the

00:39:05.380 --> 00:39:08.260
best moments, someone like Thierry Henry could

00:39:08.260 --> 00:39:10.480
have been managed better as he showed at Barcelona

00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:13.360
when he went and I think at Barcelona he mostly

00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:15.880
performed in the big games the Classico he played

00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:17.699
well against Atletico played well in the semi

00:39:17.699 --> 00:39:19.840
-finals and scored in the final as well you know

00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:24.519
so I think he showed at Barcelona he can he can

00:39:24.519 --> 00:39:27.699
produce and score in the big moments I just think

00:39:27.699 --> 00:39:29.940
Wenger doesn't manage the big moments well so

00:39:29.940 --> 00:39:33.340
that will always be a blot on his record his

00:39:33.340 --> 00:39:35.500
semi -finals and final goals for Arsenal but

00:39:35.500 --> 00:39:38.710
I think If you look through any of the great

00:39:38.710 --> 00:39:40.889
players Arsenal have had, that'll always be a

00:39:40.889 --> 00:39:43.090
blot on their record under Wenger because I don't

00:39:43.090 --> 00:39:46.090
think Wenger managed the biggest Champions League

00:39:46.090 --> 00:39:49.730
game as well. So I've done something a little

00:39:49.730 --> 00:39:52.449
bit differently. We'll get back to your left

00:39:52.449 --> 00:39:54.929
-wing pick just now, right? My left -wing was

00:39:54.929 --> 00:39:57.690
Henry. Yeah, my left -wing pick was Gareth Bale.

00:39:58.090 --> 00:40:00.769
For Tottenham. Yes. So we'll get to that just

00:40:00.769 --> 00:40:05.250
now. When I was doing the underrated, overrated,

00:40:05.250 --> 00:40:07.369
you know, checking stats and doing some research,

00:40:07.590 --> 00:40:11.489
the list of people who have scored 100 goals,

00:40:11.690 --> 00:40:14.349
when we look at their ratio, Henry has the best

00:40:14.349 --> 00:40:18.630
goal -to -game ratio of every player. So it could

00:40:18.630 --> 00:40:20.610
be argued that he's better than KDB because,

00:40:20.730 --> 00:40:23.900
you know... Best goal -to -game ratio. Again,

00:40:23.980 --> 00:40:27.260
it's just, like you said, what would Henry have

00:40:27.260 --> 00:40:29.460
been like under Guardiola for his prime years?

00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:33.480
That's the... Or Klopp. That's the big question

00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:34.900
you'd have to consider. Because I was really

00:40:34.900 --> 00:40:37.960
considering Roberto Firmino, maybe, as my other

00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:40.559
pick, you know. As my centre -forward pick. Because

00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:43.440
I really like his ability to open up space for

00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:45.300
the wingers. Because I wanted my wingers to be

00:40:45.300 --> 00:40:47.679
my match winners, you know. That's why I went

00:40:47.679 --> 00:40:49.860
with Gareth Bale and Cristiano Ronaldo. Because

00:40:49.860 --> 00:40:52.849
I think... they show it at Real Madrid they just

00:40:52.849 --> 00:40:55.090
need one or two moments and they can win the

00:40:55.090 --> 00:40:57.250
game on their own you know yes but I feel like

00:40:57.250 --> 00:41:00.989
you're taking their time in other places and

00:41:00.989 --> 00:41:02.909
I think Gareth Bale won Premier League playoff

00:41:02.909 --> 00:41:04.730
the year no no absolutely but I'm saying that

00:41:04.730 --> 00:41:07.889
was one year he won it back to back or what PFA

00:41:07.889 --> 00:41:10.610
playoff the year yeah he won it in 2011 2010

00:41:10.610 --> 00:41:14.960
2011 and 2011 2012 I don't think so. But my point

00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:17.260
being, his best years were at Madrid. Similarly,

00:41:17.500 --> 00:41:19.400
Ronaldo, even though his best years were at Madrid,

00:41:19.619 --> 00:41:23.239
he had like a five, let's say three to four year

00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:25.579
stint where he was one of the best in the world.

00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:28.340
Bale, I just don't think he had that in the league.

00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:31.119
I think his last two or three seasons at Tottenham

00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:33.619
were sensational. The fact that he went for world

00:41:33.619 --> 00:41:35.760
record fees should tell you that he was sensational

00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:38.469
at Spurs. I just don't think... The longevity

00:41:38.469 --> 00:41:42.190
argument works for Bale. Especially because I

00:41:42.190 --> 00:41:44.369
have Henry as my left wing. Yeah, I mean, I don't

00:41:44.369 --> 00:41:46.670
think as a Premier League legacy it could compare

00:41:46.670 --> 00:41:49.769
to Henry. But I think in a team, it's like who

00:41:49.769 --> 00:41:53.090
you're saying is the best left wing. Okay, you

00:41:53.090 --> 00:41:55.409
played Henry at left wing. Yes, and I was also

00:41:55.409 --> 00:41:58.090
considering Hewton and Son. I would consider

00:41:58.090 --> 00:42:02.670
Son over Bale as a Spurs pick. But I think like

00:42:02.670 --> 00:42:04.550
if we're talking, like maybe if we're talking

00:42:04.550 --> 00:42:08.070
on legacy. Perhaps. But I don't think Son's peak

00:42:08.070 --> 00:42:12.190
was at the same. I think Bale played in a rubbish

00:42:12.190 --> 00:42:14.690
Tottenham team. But we're talking about Premier

00:42:14.690 --> 00:42:16.969
League level, not... Yeah, no, I'm saying, but

00:42:16.969 --> 00:42:19.530
his time to win the PFA Player of the Year, playing

00:42:19.530 --> 00:42:21.710
for a team that's not even at Europa League level,

00:42:21.889 --> 00:42:24.050
I think he carried them to the Champions League

00:42:24.050 --> 00:42:26.710
quarter -finals almost by himself. I think it's

00:42:26.710 --> 00:42:28.570
still regarded as one of the best individual

00:42:28.570 --> 00:42:30.750
campaigns from a Premier League player. Sure.

00:42:31.070 --> 00:42:36.139
But me not picking Bale, is the same reason I

00:42:36.139 --> 00:42:38.639
wouldn't pick Luis Suarez. Even though he had

00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:42.280
a phenomenal peak. Yeah. He scored the most goals

00:42:42.280 --> 00:42:45.019
in the league until Salah came along in one season.

00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:49.139
But so, you know, Suarez could be a... Yeah,

00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:51.659
he could be a pick. But I just don't think his

00:42:51.659 --> 00:42:54.119
longevity is there. In the same way I'm telling

00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:56.500
you about Bale. Yeah. No, I mean, I could agree

00:42:56.500 --> 00:42:59.320
with that. I just think that peak of Bale, for

00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:02.570
me, I based it off of... That was the best left

00:43:02.570 --> 00:43:04.570
winger I'd seen in the Premier League, for me

00:43:04.570 --> 00:43:07.929
personally. I mean, obviously, I've said he's

00:43:07.929 --> 00:43:09.869
overrated, but we should give an honourable mention

00:43:09.869 --> 00:43:12.929
to Eden Hazard. I think he's in the top two or

00:43:12.929 --> 00:43:14.789
three left wingers of Premier League history

00:43:14.789 --> 00:43:17.429
for me, but I wouldn't... I'd just say, like,

00:43:17.510 --> 00:43:20.050
if you compare him to Bale or Mane, I think he

00:43:20.050 --> 00:43:22.210
falls short. Mane would have been my other honourable

00:43:22.210 --> 00:43:25.010
mention, but I used my Liverpool pick elsewhere,

00:43:25.250 --> 00:43:27.809
you know. Okay. Let's just go through it and

00:43:27.809 --> 00:43:30.230
give honorable mentions for each position. So,

00:43:30.269 --> 00:43:32.550
for goalkeeper, I said Peter Cech. What did you

00:43:32.550 --> 00:43:36.309
say? Alisson. Okay. For right -back? I mean,

00:43:36.389 --> 00:43:39.309
Zabaleta. I think Pablo Zabaleta, obviously.

00:43:39.710 --> 00:43:42.349
He wasn't like... I think right -back is like

00:43:42.349 --> 00:43:46.590
a struggle position for the Premier League. Absolutely.

00:43:47.150 --> 00:43:49.710
That's why I said all the best ones were very

00:43:49.710 --> 00:43:52.889
new. I think Rhys James. Yeah, I was going to

00:43:52.889 --> 00:43:54.469
mention Reece James as my... He has a couple

00:43:54.469 --> 00:43:57.349
titles, definitely. The problem with him is he's

00:43:57.349 --> 00:44:00.289
a hospital patient. Even if he... We can all

00:44:00.289 --> 00:44:03.050
see his quality. It's just if he could have more

00:44:03.050 --> 00:44:05.630
consistency with that, he would be up there as

00:44:05.630 --> 00:44:07.269
like... one of the best players in the world.

00:44:07.590 --> 00:44:09.389
Based off of talent, he's probably the best right

00:44:09.389 --> 00:44:11.769
back, the Premier League scene. But again, how

00:44:11.769 --> 00:44:14.570
much can, how long can he, like, even if he kept

00:44:14.570 --> 00:44:18.070
that peak going for a season, I might have selected

00:44:18.070 --> 00:44:20.550
him, you know, like, or a season or two where

00:44:20.550 --> 00:44:23.210
you could say, oh, okay, Rhys James, like, just

00:44:23.210 --> 00:44:25.909
fucked it up for that season or something, you

00:44:25.909 --> 00:44:28.050
know, but it's like a half season here and then

00:44:28.050 --> 00:44:30.829
he comes in and Chelsea are... unplayable for

00:44:30.829 --> 00:44:32.769
a little while then he drops out and then he

00:44:32.769 --> 00:44:34.949
comes back and he's being played in midfield

00:44:34.949 --> 00:44:37.610
and all over which is not his fault but speaks

00:44:37.610 --> 00:44:40.170
more to his versatility but definitely he deserves

00:44:40.170 --> 00:44:44.010
that's actually a positive yeah so yeah I mean

00:44:44.010 --> 00:44:46.809
I really think Rhys James in time if Chelsea

00:44:46.809 --> 00:44:49.389
manage their club correctly could probably be

00:44:49.389 --> 00:44:51.710
the the long -term pick for the best right back

00:44:51.710 --> 00:44:55.039
in this league you know center back I think it's

00:44:55.039 --> 00:44:57.860
Ferdinand and Vidic are the two. Ferdinand, Vidic,

00:44:57.860 --> 00:45:01.099
you know, who else? I think Ricardo Carvalho

00:45:01.099 --> 00:45:05.519
had a top peak as well. I think, who else could

00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:09.679
we say? John Stones. Oh, yes, John Stones. I

00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:10.940
think John Stones deserves a good mention. I

00:45:10.940 --> 00:45:13.780
think Ruben Diaz had a good peak for two years.

00:45:13.980 --> 00:45:15.980
No, I'd put Stones way over him. Yeah, no, put

00:45:15.980 --> 00:45:17.780
him above him. But I'd say he still deserves

00:45:17.780 --> 00:45:19.860
an honorable mention, like in terms of I think

00:45:19.860 --> 00:45:21.780
he had a good peak in their treble season the

00:45:21.780 --> 00:45:26.539
season before as well. another argument about

00:45:26.539 --> 00:45:29.260
longevity because he has been poor for like maybe

00:45:29.260 --> 00:45:31.199
two three seasons yeah and i guess we're now

00:45:31.199 --> 00:45:33.260
seeing how bad he is so that's like right in

00:45:33.260 --> 00:45:36.260
our minds oh okay this is what ruben diaz is

00:45:36.260 --> 00:45:38.880
yeah but i do remember when he came in it was

00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:41.840
like him and stones it was like a fortress yeah

00:45:41.840 --> 00:45:45.119
it was i mean if it wasn't for van dyck it also

00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:47.579
would have been like i think we would have noticed

00:45:47.579 --> 00:45:49.719
that they would have appreciated their defending

00:45:49.719 --> 00:45:53.269
more you know Left back, any honourable mentions?

00:45:53.630 --> 00:45:56.230
Patrice Evra, I think. Definitely, yeah. Well,

00:45:56.929 --> 00:45:58.750
we said, yeah, Ashley Cole is the obvious pick,

00:45:58.809 --> 00:46:02.329
but Evra is the dark horse, you would say. Yeah,

00:46:02.409 --> 00:46:04.909
I think consistency, what, like 11, 12 years

00:46:04.909 --> 00:46:06.710
playing consistently. Not dark horse, he would

00:46:06.710 --> 00:46:09.070
be like the second pick. Yeah, 11, 12 years,

00:46:09.090 --> 00:46:10.949
then he went to Juventus, still played well there.

00:46:11.070 --> 00:46:16.190
So, yeah, I think Patrice Evra. CDM. We did mention

00:46:16.190 --> 00:46:20.590
Makalele, Keane, Vieira, any other... Rodri,

00:46:20.730 --> 00:46:23.650
I think Rodri. Yes, Rodri right now. Fabinho.

00:46:24.570 --> 00:46:27.030
Again, another longevity argument. Yeah, but

00:46:27.030 --> 00:46:29.010
I still think like, you know, but Rodri also,

00:46:29.130 --> 00:46:32.630
he's had like two sensational seasons, but...

00:46:32.630 --> 00:46:35.570
But I'm just presuming he's going to have...

00:46:35.570 --> 00:46:37.070
He's going to continue. He's going to continue,

00:46:37.230 --> 00:46:40.179
yeah. yeah i mean but i think like again it's

00:46:40.179 --> 00:46:42.139
just the quality of opposition in a different

00:46:42.139 --> 00:46:44.219
era fabinho could have been behind three or four

00:46:44.219 --> 00:46:46.260
titles you know not not that that's an excuse

00:46:46.260 --> 00:46:49.500
but i think at times he was a one -man midfield

00:46:49.500 --> 00:46:51.159
as you had to say it's like playing alongside

00:46:51.159 --> 00:46:56.389
henderson is not the best, you know? So, yeah,

00:46:56.429 --> 00:46:58.250
I think at times he had to carry that midfield

00:46:58.250 --> 00:47:00.690
by himself. I think when you guys beat Man City

00:47:00.690 --> 00:47:03.230
in the Champions League 3 -0, the midfield was

00:47:03.230 --> 00:47:05.909
him, Henderson and Oxlade -Chamberlain, so he

00:47:05.909 --> 00:47:07.730
probably had to do a lot of work in possession

00:47:07.730 --> 00:47:10.389
to cover for them, you know? Well, I slander

00:47:10.389 --> 00:47:13.789
Henderson a lot, but... The thing I can't fault

00:47:13.789 --> 00:47:15.809
him is his work rate. And the same thing with

00:47:15.809 --> 00:47:17.769
Oxlade -Chamberlain. That midfield used to run

00:47:17.769 --> 00:47:20.670
all over the place. They used to do defensive

00:47:20.670 --> 00:47:24.190
work. Fabinho had to do a lot in terms of the

00:47:24.190 --> 00:47:28.650
technical security on the ball. So I think he

00:47:28.650 --> 00:47:31.730
deserves an honourable mention. And maybe Gilberto

00:47:31.730 --> 00:47:35.840
Silva as well. People say the invincible season.

00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:39.099
I didn't watch every game. I was like 7 or 8,

00:47:39.139 --> 00:47:40.860
so I wouldn't remember it too clearly. But people

00:47:40.860 --> 00:47:44.440
say he was sensational in that season. For the

00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:48.039
8s slash 10s, so Lampard is obviously one. I

00:47:48.039 --> 00:47:50.000
think people are going to think we've been too

00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:53.980
dismissive of Lampard. But it's not to be rude

00:47:53.980 --> 00:47:56.739
to Lampard. It's just to say KDB and Gerrard,

00:47:56.800 --> 00:47:59.780
in my mind, and KDB and Cesc, in your mind, are

00:47:59.780 --> 00:48:02.539
just ahead of him. So there's no disrespect.

00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:07.719
how the the the lists went out obviously we said

00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:11.320
david silver yes he's another absolute uh quality

00:48:11.320 --> 00:48:14.079
player deserves to be you know in the honorable

00:48:14.079 --> 00:48:18.059
mentions anyone else i think we have to we have

00:48:18.059 --> 00:48:19.940
to look at the chelsea teams as well because

00:48:19.940 --> 00:48:22.619
they've had some great players i think Balak?

00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:25.139
I don't know. I don't know about... I don't remember

00:48:25.139 --> 00:48:29.400
Balak even playing. I'm just using that as like,

00:48:29.460 --> 00:48:31.500
you know, like I said, Shearer, like based off

00:48:31.500 --> 00:48:34.019
reputation, I know. I think Balak's legacy came

00:48:34.019 --> 00:48:35.739
more at Bayern Munich and then in the national

00:48:35.739 --> 00:48:37.980
team, you know. Oh, not even Bayern Munich, Bayern

00:48:37.980 --> 00:48:40.159
Leverkusen. Leverkusen, yeah, and in the national

00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:44.000
team, sorry. So I think that's... I mean, I didn't

00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:46.000
watch much of Balak. I know he's considered one

00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:48.480
of the most underrated players of his generation.

00:48:48.860 --> 00:48:51.519
So similarly, I didn't watch him. I'm just...

00:48:51.659 --> 00:48:54.440
Based on reputation. Any other eights? There's

00:48:54.440 --> 00:48:56.820
probably a lot of eights. Obviously, we said

00:48:56.820 --> 00:48:59.199
Luka Modric. I think his last season at Tottenham

00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:01.460
was very good. Obviously, that's what made Madrid

00:49:01.460 --> 00:49:05.679
sign him. Paul Scholes. Paul Scholes, yeah. Incredible

00:49:05.679 --> 00:49:10.519
pass off the ball. Fabio Alonso. Not in terms

00:49:10.519 --> 00:49:14.679
of his career overall, but I think... Best ever,

00:49:14.780 --> 00:49:16.900
I don't think. I wouldn't say best ever, but

00:49:16.900 --> 00:49:19.820
I'd say he's one of the greatest midfielders

00:49:19.820 --> 00:49:21.539
of his generation and he played in the Premier

00:49:21.539 --> 00:49:26.460
League. But who else I would say? I mean, we

00:49:26.460 --> 00:49:29.500
mentioned Patrick Vieira. I think there's not

00:49:29.500 --> 00:49:34.199
anyone else I could really think of. Danny Drinkwater?

00:49:36.820 --> 00:49:39.639
That name did pop in my head just because I was

00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:42.420
thinking about Kante and then... That name immediately

00:49:42.420 --> 00:49:47.320
went out of there. Yeah. Right wings, we said

00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:50.039
Salah as an honorable mention. Any other right

00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:53.340
wings that... I think the two of them are so

00:49:53.340 --> 00:49:56.880
far ahead of everyone else. It's hard to get

00:49:56.880 --> 00:49:59.280
another honourable man. I mean, you know, honestly,

00:49:59.420 --> 00:50:02.579
I think, dressed off of me liking them as a player,

00:50:02.699 --> 00:50:04.260
but they used to play on either wing. I like

00:50:04.260 --> 00:50:07.000
Leroy Sane. I think he deserves an honourable

00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:09.280
mention. Sane was another guy I used to be scared

00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:11.559
of. When he played at City, he was so... He was

00:50:11.559 --> 00:50:14.969
devastating. He was like long shots. And then

00:50:14.969 --> 00:50:18.250
his ability to weave through tight spaces. In

00:50:18.250 --> 00:50:19.949
the Premier League, I think he was the best at

00:50:19.949 --> 00:50:22.389
it for a long time. Maybe, again, people would

00:50:22.389 --> 00:50:24.809
say Hazard, but... I have no idea what happened

00:50:24.809 --> 00:50:27.730
to him at Bayern, though. Yeah. Like, all his

00:50:27.730 --> 00:50:29.110
talent was just stripped away. You know, like,

00:50:29.130 --> 00:50:31.929
Space Jam? Yeah. Where those guys, they touch

00:50:31.929 --> 00:50:33.730
the ball and they take Michael Jordan's power

00:50:33.730 --> 00:50:35.969
away. Oh, yeah. That's what happened to Leroy

00:50:35.969 --> 00:50:38.650
Sade. He just faded away. He touched the football

00:50:38.650 --> 00:50:40.610
and other monsters touched that football and

00:50:40.610 --> 00:50:43.269
took his power away from him. I really thought...

00:50:43.269 --> 00:50:45.949
I mean, I still think if he stayed at Man City,

00:50:46.050 --> 00:50:49.190
he really goes on to a different level, but can't

00:50:49.190 --> 00:50:52.989
live in the past, you know? He's made his choices,

00:50:53.030 --> 00:50:56.400
so... Any other right -wings? Jared Bowen? You

00:50:56.400 --> 00:50:58.780
didn't bring him up? I mean, I don't know about

00:50:58.780 --> 00:51:02.659
the greatest ever, but... Wow. Okay. I mean,

00:51:02.659 --> 00:51:04.340
then we'd have to get into, like, looking at

00:51:04.340 --> 00:51:06.940
who a Rocket Santa Cruz maybe deserves. Okay,

00:51:06.940 --> 00:51:10.300
man, don't be disrespectful. Rocket Santa Cruz

00:51:10.300 --> 00:51:12.780
and Jared Bowen are not on the same level. Bowen

00:51:12.780 --> 00:51:14.739
is much better than Rocket Santa Cruz. No, I'm

00:51:14.739 --> 00:51:17.239
saying, who do we get into who deserves an honorable

00:51:17.239 --> 00:51:20.400
mention? Because he still had one of the best

00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:23.280
individual seasons in Premier League history.

00:51:23.739 --> 00:51:25.880
Okay, whatever, man. Carried Blackburn to the

00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:31.420
Europa League. Any honorable mentions for striker?

00:51:31.539 --> 00:51:34.380
I would assume Harry Kane. Harry Kane. I mean,

00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:37.400
I think I was trying to find a way to get Dennis

00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:40.579
Bergkamp in my team, but I couldn't. It came

00:51:40.579 --> 00:51:43.940
down to Bergkamp or Henry. So I think Henry was

00:51:43.940 --> 00:51:46.280
the better footballer, even if Bergkamp was someone

00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:48.480
I had more affinity for. But I think as a false

00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:50.659
nine or number 10, maybe he deserves an honorable

00:51:50.659 --> 00:51:56.570
mention. I'd say Firmino. We mentioned Firmino.

00:51:56.909 --> 00:52:00.250
The thing is he's a false nine. So he doesn't

00:52:00.250 --> 00:52:03.150
really fit in this conversation. I would maybe

00:52:03.150 --> 00:52:06.360
pay him and say play him as a 10. I mean, I'm

00:52:06.360 --> 00:52:08.599
just for the purpose of this list where he would

00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:12.039
make more sense to compare him to. Because if

00:52:12.039 --> 00:52:14.400
you're comparing him as a striker to, say, a

00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:15.980
Shearer or a Kane, he's obviously going to come

00:52:15.980 --> 00:52:19.380
out worse because he doesn't have the goals to

00:52:19.380 --> 00:52:22.199
compete. I mean, obviously, it wouldn't all be

00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:25.639
about the goals. Yes, if you are like a person

00:52:25.639 --> 00:52:28.059
who actually watches football, you can see his

00:52:28.059 --> 00:52:31.219
quality. But, you know, stat -wise, he's not

00:52:31.219 --> 00:52:33.199
going to come out great in this argument. And

00:52:33.199 --> 00:52:36.050
then, I mean, obviously... It seems like Haaland

00:52:36.050 --> 00:52:38.150
is on track to break the goalscoring records,

00:52:38.429 --> 00:52:40.670
so he deserves somewhat of an honourable mention,

00:52:40.809 --> 00:52:43.070
even if he has his flaws, you know. We've spoken

00:52:43.070 --> 00:52:45.389
about his flaws a lot, but I agree with you.

00:52:45.429 --> 00:52:47.750
He is a phenomenal player, a phenomenal striker

00:52:47.750 --> 00:52:52.289
of the ball. And then, oh, I think Ruud van Nistelrooy

00:52:52.289 --> 00:52:54.809
deserves an honourable mention. We didn't bring

00:52:54.809 --> 00:52:57.829
him up. Wayne Rooney. Yes, Wayne Rooney. Who

00:52:57.829 --> 00:53:00.130
was in a lot of my thoughts. It's just, Ronaldo

00:53:00.130 --> 00:53:03.760
is just, you know. He's Ronaldo. Yeah. Like,

00:53:03.780 --> 00:53:08.099
in 2007 -8, nobody was like, oh, I love Wayne

00:53:08.099 --> 00:53:10.139
Rooney. Everyone was, you know, about Ronaldo.

00:53:10.440 --> 00:53:13.599
Yeah, exactly. So it's ahistorical to go back

00:53:13.599 --> 00:53:16.119
and be like, oh, no, Rooney was the actual. I

00:53:16.119 --> 00:53:19.619
guess you could look at his entire career and

00:53:19.619 --> 00:53:22.239
say he has a bigger Premier League legacy than

00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:25.739
Ronaldo. Yeah. But as a player, I would choose

00:53:25.739 --> 00:53:28.840
Ronaldo over Rooney nine times out of ten. Yeah,

00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:30.440
I mean obviously then also if you're talking

00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:34.250
about... importance of goals and importance of

00:53:34.250 --> 00:53:36.590
their contribution to the team we mentioned chris

00:53:36.590 --> 00:53:38.050
wood i wouldn't say he's one of the greatest

00:53:38.050 --> 00:53:40.809
but contextually he's had one of the greatest

00:53:40.809 --> 00:53:42.750
impacts you know he's kept a lot of teams in

00:53:42.750 --> 00:53:45.070
the league so i think he deserves an honorable

00:53:45.070 --> 00:53:47.849
mention for like the lesser teams you know same

00:53:47.849 --> 00:53:50.590
as maybe like uh like i mean there's been quite

00:53:50.590 --> 00:53:53.329
like someone like danny ings you know he's got

00:53:53.329 --> 00:53:55.449
a lot of goals for the lesser team so i wouldn't

00:53:55.449 --> 00:53:57.389
say they're the greatest but they just their

00:53:57.389 --> 00:54:00.329
consistency deserves uh darren bent remain default

00:54:00.329 --> 00:54:02.300
you know they're deserve somewhat of an honorable

00:54:02.300 --> 00:54:05.239
mention just for the consistency in, I guess,

00:54:05.380 --> 00:54:09.219
goal returns. So left wing, again, I said Henry,

00:54:09.340 --> 00:54:12.059
you said Bale. I think the obvious honorable

00:54:12.059 --> 00:54:16.500
mention is Heung -Min Son. I was really considering

00:54:16.500 --> 00:54:19.500
taking Ronaldo out, putting Henry on the right

00:54:19.500 --> 00:54:23.440
wing and putting Son on the left wing. But now

00:54:23.440 --> 00:54:25.559
that I'm looking at it, I don't actually have

00:54:25.559 --> 00:54:27.980
a Spurs player on my list, which is strange,

00:54:27.980 --> 00:54:31.170
yes, because I was... That Spurs slot, I was

00:54:31.170 --> 00:54:33.269
really thinking, ooh, this is valuable. I should

00:54:33.269 --> 00:54:36.090
use it. And in the end, I didn't use it. I was

00:54:36.090 --> 00:54:38.250
thinking about playing 4 -4 -2 and putting Kane

00:54:38.250 --> 00:54:41.309
in as the other striker. Spurs striker. Yeah.

00:54:41.690 --> 00:54:46.989
But, yeah. Sadio Mane, Eden Hazard, any other

00:54:46.989 --> 00:54:49.530
mentions? Because we already spoke about them.

00:54:49.750 --> 00:54:51.590
I mean, yeah. I mean, we'd obviously have to,

00:54:51.650 --> 00:54:55.650
like... probably go back in time to see how the

00:54:55.650 --> 00:54:58.949
Man United front three functioned in the in the

00:54:58.949 --> 00:55:01.969
season they won the double but I think Bobetov

00:55:01.969 --> 00:55:04.570
or Rooney also played on the left wing interchangeably

00:55:04.570 --> 00:55:07.659
so That season, they were all three really good,

00:55:07.719 --> 00:55:10.880
you know, so it's hard to see, like, maybe one

00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:13.480
of them deserves an honorable mention. I think,

00:55:13.519 --> 00:55:16.659
you know, yeah, I can't really think of anyone

00:55:16.659 --> 00:55:19.320
else. I think someone who probably just had maybe

00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:21.699
an array of big moments, but they weren't really

00:55:21.699 --> 00:55:24.039
the most consistent player, but they won a lot

00:55:24.039 --> 00:55:28.119
of titles was Nani. Maybe not best, definitely

00:55:28.119 --> 00:55:31.380
not best ever. Just honorable mention, Raheem

00:55:31.380 --> 00:55:34.420
Sterling. Yeah, right. At Liverpool, I wasn't

00:55:34.420 --> 00:55:36.880
impressed by him. I just thought Luis Suarez

00:55:36.880 --> 00:55:38.920
and Daniel Saric were putting things on a plate

00:55:38.920 --> 00:55:40.619
for him. That's why he was getting some good

00:55:40.619 --> 00:55:43.940
stats. People don't remember this now, but he

00:55:43.940 --> 00:55:48.519
snaked us to go to City for a big payday. That

00:55:48.519 --> 00:55:50.960
did work out very well for him because, you know,

00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:53.539
I was saying about, who did I say that like?

00:55:53.739 --> 00:55:56.500
I said Salah. I said the conditions were right

00:55:56.500 --> 00:55:59.440
for Salah because the tactics and the formation

00:55:59.440 --> 00:56:03.000
all were suited towards him. I think... Raheem

00:56:03.000 --> 00:56:06.260
Sterling is a very similar position. When he

00:56:06.260 --> 00:56:10.380
was at City, his best traits were played towards.

00:56:10.780 --> 00:56:12.960
Guardiola, I don't know. The system highlighted

00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:17.579
his pros. There was a season where he did nearly

00:56:17.579 --> 00:56:20.280
20 goals and nearly 10 assists or something.

00:56:20.639 --> 00:56:24.679
He did very good. He was competing with Salah

00:56:24.679 --> 00:56:29.199
stats -wise for one season. Yeah, good. Honorable

00:56:29.199 --> 00:56:31.280
mention. I think he deserves it. Definite honorable

00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:34.099
mention. I'm sure there's a couple of players

00:56:34.099 --> 00:56:38.199
we're forgetting. But, yeah, I mean, nothing

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