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And welcome back to the PD Football Podcast.

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My name is Presh. My name is Darren. And how

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are you doing today? I'm good, I'm good. Yeah,

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I had a busy weekend, so yeah, just tired, but

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in a good way. What about you? nah i had a very

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quiet weekend just chilling indoors so uh nothing

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really to say uh even though i was busy i didn't

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watch invincible i really haven't got time yet

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i really mean to catch up with that because my

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cousin is also a big fan and he's been worrying

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me to uh so we can chat about it but uh yeah

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i haven't gotten to it yet oh he's already finished

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it yes uh well they only released the first three

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episodes and then it's gonna be week to week

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after that so I missed the first three the fourth

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one is coming out tomorrow so just watch all

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four at once yes that's what I'm trying to do

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but work is just fucking killing me and yeah

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it's the same for everyone I guess well everyone

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who's working so you ready to start or do you

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wanna anything else you wanna say nah nah I don't

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have anything else to add we can start so Brighton

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2 Liverpool 1 Brighton named an unchanged starting

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XI to the team that beat Sunderland 1 -0. Liverpool

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made two changes to the team that beat Galatasaray

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4 -0. Both Alisson and Salah were injured and

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replaced by Mamadashvili and Gakpo. However,

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we have changed shape to a 4 -4 -2 with a diamond

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in midfield. I assume this is to accommodate

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for the lack of forwards because... Well, we'll

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get to it, yeah. A few minutes into the game,

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Ekateke goes down with a dead leg. And is substituted,

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but bafflingly, Slott replaces him with Jones

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instead of another forward like Rio or Chiesa.

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And, yeah, we have five midfielders and one forward

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on the pitch at this point. Very unbalanced team.

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You could see the way we were playing it. Not

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that you need super a lot of forwards, but we

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clearly didn't have a wing to... An outlet. An

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outlet, yes. Let's say it like that. Brighton

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were pressing high, but not particularly aggressively.

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And yet, this apparently is working because Liverpool

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became hurried and sloppy at the back. Canate

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had a few misplaced passes. Mamadashvili literally

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just kicked it out of play. And him kicking it

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out of play leads to Brighton's first goal. Brighton

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put in a cross from that side where he kicked

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it out. Diego Gomez beats Kyrkios to the header

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and heads it back across. And then Welbeck scores.

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Yeah, I mean, I think from what I saw, it was

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poor defending as well. I guess the goal was

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easier than it should have been, I guess. You

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could say that, but Van Dijk was claiming that

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Wellbeck pushed Konate, but VAR didn't intervene,

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so I assume... Perhaps. I didn't notice that.

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Did you? Was it a push? Yes, it definitely was

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a push. It reminded me of two other incidents.

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Like one was Gabrielle versus Spurs where Colomwani

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put his hands on Gabrielle's back and Gabrielle

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fell down. Yeah, that one was like a tame one.

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Yes. But the point being, Gabrielle went down

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and it was ruled out. It was ruled out. Similarly,

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in the Wolves game, Van Dijk went for a header

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and Orokodare pushed him. And because he didn't

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go down, the foul wasn't given and Wolves scored.

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So this is why I say the referees incentivize

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diving. Because if you feel a touch and you go

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down, they're going to... They're going to give

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you the decision. They'll give you the decision.

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But if you, you know, quote -unquote, be honest

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and stay up, and, you know, it's not that hectic

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of a push, you'll concede the goal. So, I really

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think we need to be more street smart and, like,

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quote -unquote, use the dark arts. Yeah. Because

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it's not doing us any favours to, you know, play

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by the rules as well. Or try to win the FIFA

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Fair Play Award. Yeah. Fuck that. I want actual

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trophies, not the Fair Play Award. Which we did

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win a few times under Klopp. But, yeah. Anything

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else you want to say about that first goal? No.

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I mean, like I said, I just thought... You guys

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were a bit open outside of the push. It just

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seemed like there wasn't any pressure on the

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ball. I think Brighton just threw it. I mean,

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it was a throw -in, so it's hard to say whether

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there should have been pressure. Yeah, I'm not

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being fair. I should point out that we were very

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poor in that moment. So just putting it all down

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to a push is very unfair of me. Yeah, because

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I think you laid off, you gave them the space

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to create the chance still. So it wasn't like...

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Absolutely. We brought it upon ourselves rather

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than, you know, they were very good. They were

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very good or clinical. They opened you up, let's

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say. So against Galatasaray, I said that we were

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pressing. But clearly that experiment was over

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as we went back to our usual passive selves,

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trying to play possession -based football. Maybe

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he's prioritizing the Champions League. It could

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be. That could definitely be a case. But, okay,

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let's just pause. No, not the recording. Let's

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just pause and say, if he's prioritizing the

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Champions League, what if we don't make top five?

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We're fucked. We are fucked. I think he's maybe

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betting on the balance of it, that every one

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day is inconsistent, so maybe you'll still get

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into the top five somehow. But I think he's more

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focused on maybe we can win the Champions League

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if we put all our eggs in that basket. I mean,

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if you beat PSG... I would think that you can

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win it. That being said, PSG is going to embarrass

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us. I don't think they're going to embarrass

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you as badly as you think, but I think they'll

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get through. It's like every week I say Liverpool

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are going to lose 4 -0 and you say we're going

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to win 1 -0. I think it's going to be a tight

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game, but I think they might win on the balance

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of it. That's what I'm saying. Perhaps I'm being

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pessimistic, but I just don't think we're going

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to do anything to that PSG team, that super team.

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We just keep going from left to right, right

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to left, doing nothing with the ball for 90 minutes.

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It's very boring and just upsetting to watch

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this rubbish, if I'm being honest with you. Well,

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I mean, at least you got the 4 -4 -2 diamond.

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That is what I wanted. I wanted that, but I wanted

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Isaac and Ekotike to be the strikers, not Gakpo

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and nobody. Yeah, I mean, well, Gakpo, I guess

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you've never really wanted him anywhere near

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the team. Yes, even when we bought him. I saw

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him playing in the Euros or whatever it was just

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before we bought him, and I thought, ah, this

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guy's fine, but he's not like... He's not a level

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raiser. Yeah, he's not amazing. Like, he's supposed

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to be the Mane replacement. Oh, I guess Luis

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Diaz was the Mane replacement, but we needed

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a new left wing. And I just never looked at him

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and thought, okay, this guy's great. But, you

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know, that's all in hindsight. Let's just focus

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on the here and now, right? Mama Dashvili does

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nothing, nothing kicked to nobody. which Dunk

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attempts to head back to the goalkeeper. But

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Kirkez reads the situation so, so well and scores.

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Yeah, good finish as well. Very good finish,

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yeah. Sublime. Like I said, he's a top attacking

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left back and an alright defensive one. So why

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would you play him defensively? You know, we

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should be maximizing the crosses that he can

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whip in and his eye for goal. Yeah, and I mean,

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I guess there he also showed that... He has the

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ability to, I guess, make runs as well behind.

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So if you need that from a fullback, especially

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to create space, I guess it makes sense, you

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know. It's like why I like Ben White in Arsenal

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because he does that a lot. Absolutely. I don't

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see why we don't make more use of our fullbacks.

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It's like having a gun and you're being shot

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at and you're just not using it. Yeah. I mean,

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like you said, if you have a player like Gakpo

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who is very one -dimensional, maybe use a fullback

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who's not one -dimensional a bit more, you know?

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Now, that's interesting you say that, because

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Gakpo refuses to pass to Kerkis. Kerkis will

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overlap, overlap, overlap, and you will never

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pass to him. You'll always cut inside, and that's

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another big frustration. Oh, yeah, red flag,

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but frustration that I've had this season, where

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Kerkis will bomb forward, make a lung -bursting

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run. I mean, I guess the problem with Gakpo is

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probably, like, Maybe if your team like Tottenham

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Aston Villa trying to get to a Champions League

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level He's the right type of player, but I don't

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think like for maybe one of the best teams. He's

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good enough You know, I think I can understand

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that he gives you consistency whether that's

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good or bad I guess like you said when you're

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trying to raise the ceiling. I don't think it's

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the best thing but maybe as Like a player as

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a floor raiser. He's not the worst but I don't

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see a position for him in the current Liverpool

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team because There's so many players better than

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him, I think. Speaking about left wings, Yankuba

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Mente, formerly of Feyenoord without a slot,

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they won the league together in Holland. I was

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going to call it the Netherlands, but yeah, Holland.

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Mente totally had the beating of Frampong. We

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knew Frampong wasn't the best defender in the

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world, but now it's clear that he's not good

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enough for the Premier League. you know, in a

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defensive sense. A league -winning right -back

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should not be dominated by a random mid -table

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winger. Actually, in hindsight, I wonder if Slott

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could have brought on Joe Gomez for Ekotike and

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pushed Frimpong to the right wing. We would have

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solved the defensive issues at right -back as

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well as getting creativity in the front line.

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Instead, okay, a little bit... what's the word,

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forward in the game. So this, I had this thought

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around the 20th minute. Sometime in the second

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half, Slot recognizes this and he swaps Sabotslai

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and Frampong. Now our defense is even more exposed

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and Munte is allowed to put in an excellent cross

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because Sabotslai is not tight enough on him.

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And once again, let me say it, I do not blame

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Sabotslai. Sabotslai is not a right back. Yeah,

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I mean, I also feel like In the current context,

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maybe even overall, you're taking your best player

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out of his best position and throwing him at

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right back. Before I realized the knock -on effect

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that it had, I just thought, Sabota is our best

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presser. Why are we taking him out of the 10

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and just slotting him anywhere when that's the

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position where he does his best work? But yeah,

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whatever. I blame slot for not bringing in Gomez.

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Joe Gomez, that is. Hinshelwood hits it. Okay,

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sorry, just going back. Sabasai doesn't close

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the guy down. He puts in a cross. Hinshelwood

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hits it back across the area. And Welbeck scores

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his second. A near copy of the first goal. We

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have learned absolutely nothing from earlier.

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And Van Dijk and Gravenberg were just ball -watching

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while this happened. So, yeah. Poor all the way

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around. I mean, on the other hand, I guess...

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I think once a season, Danny Welbeck turns up

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against the big team. Depends who it's against.

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This season is his most goals scored ever. He's

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scored 15 so far. I'm happy for him. I liked

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him. I think he got a hard time from the Arsenal

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fans because of the time he was there. But I

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liked him. I thought he was a better player than

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Giroud. He did more than Giroud when he came

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on. So I'm happy to see him doing well, you know.

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He was a very capable replacement. I think, yeah,

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he's a good sub. But not a starter. Well, a starter

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for Brighton, but at a bigger club. The thing

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I liked about him, I think he wouldn't have minded

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being a sub. He's not a bad backup, you know.

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So he got a hard time from us, but I'm glad to

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see him doing well, you know. So I'd just like

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to say there's nobody on planet Earth happier

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about our injuries than on a slot. Why is that?

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Because now we're talking about injuries instead

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of his shit tactics and poor substitutions. It

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gives him an excuse. He has all the excuses in

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the world to not talk about his tactics, to not

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talk about his poor substitutions. And we can't

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complain about his favoritism towards Gakpo because

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he'll just say it's because of injuries. But

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it's probably because he's Dutch. He loves the

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Dutch players. And even Frampong, early on in

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the season, he wasn't playing him so much. Now,

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he'll play Frampong as much as he can. it's just

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like I mean like this is the same problem I had

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with Wenger and Coquelin and Giroud he wouldn't

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drop them no matter what so I was like sometimes

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there's a bit of what do we call it nationalism

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in football coaching you know it's just favouritism

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but yeah anything else you want to say about

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this Brighton 2 Liverpool 1 I mean because that's

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all I have to say like yeah it's hard to judge

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like I said I still I still think Herzl will

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get a bigger job. I don't know if it's this summer

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or maybe at the end of his contract at Brighton,

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but I think particularly he has a good record

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in the big games. I think he's got a lot of draws

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and a couple of wins against the big teams. The

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only thing, I mean, Brighton's not in the worst

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spot. I think if... I'll just give them credit,

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in my eyes, for the way they manage their club.

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Totally disagree. I think Herzl... Yeah, I mean,

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we've had a continuous ongoing disagreement about

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him. I'm not a fan of Herzl. Let's leave it at

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that. And, yeah, what else do you want to say?

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Yeah, no, that's it. I mean, I'm happy for Danny

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Welbeck. Okay, in that case, let's move on to

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Arsenal 0 Man City 2. So, this is not Premier

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League, by the way. This is the Carabao Cup Final.

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Arsenal made two changes from the team that beat

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Bayer Leverkusen, with Kepa, the cup goalkeeper,

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coming in for Raya and Havertz in for Eze. Now,

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before we even talk about anything else, the

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big talking point out of this match was that

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Kepa shouldn't have played. Regardless of what

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happened during the match, they're just saying,

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Raya is infinitely better, therefore he should

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have started. What do you think? I mean... I

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understand the sentiment in retrospect because

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we lost. But again, hindsight is like a perfect

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science. I think Kepa's played well the whole

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tournament. I would think that in the long run

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it makes sense to have a capable backup. You

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don't want a backup who's not happy. So I wouldn't

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have seen much of a difference. It wasn't like

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I would have thought it made that much of a difference.

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What I saw, I thought Man City was still dominant

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enough to have won the game anyway, even if Raya

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had been there. So, like, it's... I think it's

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just one of those things. I think it would have

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been unfair to Kepa, so I would have played him.

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Absolutely. After the match, Mikel Arteta was

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asked, would you start Kepa again? And he said,

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absolutely. If I had to go back in time, I'd

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do it again. And I absolutely agree with that

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because, like you said, he's the cup goalkeeper.

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What's the point of having a backup if we're

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not going to... I don't want to use the word

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owed, but he's kind of... you know been promised

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a certain amount of games and like to essentially

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fuck him over and not give him this when he's

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been the guy who's you know taken you this far

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in this particular competition i think it's very

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unfair yeah i mean we've seen it before as well

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we're like uh i think the benefit the benefit

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of like playing a cup goalkeeper as much as you

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can in the cups especially in the carabao the

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fa cup in my eyes is that Let's say something

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happens to your goalkeeper. If they step into

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the team, I think they're in better form than

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they would have been if they hadn't played any

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games at all. I mean, we saw a couple of seasons

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ago with you guys in the Champions League final.

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I think where Karius had to randomly play. I

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don't know if he just started then, if he had

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been playing for a couple of games. That was

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a very different story. Yeah, I'm not sure if

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it was one game, but I think at the same time,

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I think you guys were playing Alisson in most

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competitions. No, we hadn't bought Alisson then.

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Oh, who was it? Mignolet. Oh, Mignolet. Okay,

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yeah. Then I'm completely off with my thing.

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But I think either way, I think if a backup goalkeeper

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has to step in... I think it just helps him with

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their confidence, right? Yeah. You feel like,

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okay, my boss backs me if I get played in a cup

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final. Now, okay, we haven't even started talking

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about it yet, but he didn't make a mistake. But

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in hindsight, I just don't think that... dropping

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him would have been the answer it wouldn't have

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made much of a difference it's not like again

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i feel like that's just an excuse in terms of

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what could have been because it's just a loss

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you know sometimes you win sometimes you lose

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you could have put raya there and he made a mistake

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then does that mean you drop raya for the league

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game so And if that happened, people would say,

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why did you leave Kepa out? Kepa led you to this

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point in the cup. So, yeah, it's a no -win situation.

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Mistakes happen. So, I mean, Kepa's had a good

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tournament. You win some, you lose some. I don't

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think there's a need to overthink that specific

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decision. So City made four changes with their

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cupkeeper, Trafford, also coming in. They changed

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the left -hand side of their defense with Ait

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Nouri and Diaz out for Nico O 'Reilly and Nathan

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Ake. Finally, Semenyo came in for Rodri. For

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Rodri? I think I made a mistake there. Semenyo

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came in for somebody else because Rodri did play.

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So I can't remember who he came in for. Savino,

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maybe. Not Savino. Or Foden? No. Okay, but it

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doesn't matter. The shape changed to a 4 -1 -4

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-1 as opposed to the 4 -3 -3 he played against

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Madrid. Oh, Reinders. Reinders, not Rodri. Oh,

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Reinders. My mistake, yeah. The big tactical

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change or innovation that decided the game was

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that City were doing a type of zonal marking

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which blocked the passing lanes. I can't remember

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what people said, but it was zonal marking, right?

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This made it difficult for Arsenal to build up

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from the back. Both Kepa and the two centre -backs

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looked lost because there was no easy pass into

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the midfield and they didn't want to go long

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because, you know, that's just not their tactic.

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But the few times they did go long, they lost

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the second header. So this one simple trick really

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fucked Arsenal over in terms of their build -up.

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You didn't watch the game. You just watched the

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highlights. So I don't think you got that sense.

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I didn't see the patterns, yeah. But I mean,

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like... It was very interesting. You just had

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four City attackers and they weren't pressing

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the centre -backs. They just let the centre -backs

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do what they want and covered the midfield or

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the passing lanes to the midfield. And it worked

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a wonder. And I'm just... Apparently, it's been

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used before. Ancelotti apparently used it before.

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But I... Clearly he didn't watch that match.

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Maybe Ancelotti used it against Guardiola. Guardiola

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often does that. When managers use a system he

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likes against him, he does it better than them.

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If there's anything I'm glad of, it's for particularly

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the rest of the season and the Champions League.

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It's good that they found solutions to our defending

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because I think we can better prepare going forward

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as well. I'm sure a lot of teams will try to

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play the same way now that Man City have played

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that way. And I'm sure probably a lot of teams

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in the Champions League were planning on playing

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that way because I think that would be... I mean,

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Guardiola showed up from the match facts, from

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the highlights. I saw it was like... I think

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Arsenal were in the game for about 25, 30 minutes

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after that. It was pretty much one -way traffic,

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you know. So, I think... If Guardiola has shown

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a solution to stop us from playing the way we

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play this season, then it's good that we found

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it out early. And now you can learn from it and

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try to combat it when somebody else tries to

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do it to you. So the first half of the match

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was kind of boring and produced only one big

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chance, which Havertz hit right at the keeper.

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Another thing I saw people online were saying

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that Havertz kind of sold the game because he

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missed that. And it's like, that's one chance.

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You can't put so much emphasis on one moment

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in a game it needs like there's 90 minutes in

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a game right so if one bad thing happens you

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still have 89 minutes to recover or yeah sorry

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he was going to say i mean you go down in some

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games like you have to recover it's not it's

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not really an excuse to say oh we could have

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scored this chance because i mean holland also

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missed the sitter for them so what what's the

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argument then that oh if they scored that chance

00:20:51.839 --> 00:20:55.000
they could have also put the game to bed earlier

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let's just say if we won you know then they say

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oh what would have been the difference if holland

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put that header away you know so i think it's

00:21:01.759 --> 00:21:04.559
just an excuse they were the better team so i

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think just just move on from it you know there's

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still a league campaign there's still other things

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to focus on yeah so city turned the heat up in

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the second off it was all them from the restart

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Arsenal, they had very little possession in the

00:21:20.319 --> 00:21:23.220
first five, ten minutes after the break. And

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around the 60th minute, actually, sorry, before

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that, there's an incident I really didn't think

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about too much until I went on Twitter and I

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saw people complaining about it. And that is

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the Kepa challenge on Doku, which people are

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saying should have been a red card. But as far

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as I saw Kepa foul Doku, Doku wasn't in on goal.

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So in my mind, a yellow is a fair outcome. Yeah,

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I saw the highlights. the argument could have

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been made either way like like i guess what is

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it uh like man city fans were probably interpreting

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it that because he'd gotten past him his next

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action was going to be the shoot but i wouldn't

00:22:01.299 --> 00:22:03.500
say it was like a clear chance on goal where

00:22:03.500 --> 00:22:06.099
it's like oh you could say he was the last man

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yeah because the city defenders weren't in the

00:22:08.380 --> 00:22:10.859
box they were yeah and i mean i guess the it

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depends how the riff interpreted it excuse me

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arsenal defenders not city yeah it depends how

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the riff interpreted it like maybe he didn't

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interpret that doku was gonna fruit so he sold

00:22:20.759 --> 00:22:23.799
it oh it's a yellow yeah for me i disagree with

00:22:23.799 --> 00:22:27.680
the ref but uh to each their own shortly after

00:22:27.680 --> 00:22:29.859
that kepper made a mess out of claiming a cross

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you disagree with the ref so no i agree with

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the ref oh yes yes so you said you disagree with

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the ref my mistake then my mistake shortly after

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that kepper made a mess out of claiming a cross

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from turkey and o'reilly headed home 1 -0 to

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city And yes, Kepa is to blame. But before that,

00:22:47.329 --> 00:22:50.309
Trossard lets the cross come in too easily. Just

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like Sabotslai in the other match, I think he

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should have been much tighter to Turkey. Yeah,

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but like you pointed out, Hinkapé left him alone.

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Yes, but that's the other thing. In the same

00:23:01.329 --> 00:23:03.829
way Sabotslai is not a defender, Trossard isn't

00:23:03.829 --> 00:23:06.029
a defender. So I can't really blame Trossard.

00:23:06.089 --> 00:23:09.029
I have to blame Hinkapé, even though Hinkapé

00:23:09.029 --> 00:23:13.119
was marking a man. So it's very... I just don't

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know who to say, okay, this was your fault. But

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I guess it is Kepa. Yeah, I mean, I guess it

00:23:18.539 --> 00:23:21.319
was also smart from Man City to use Nico O 'Reilly

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as the extra man a lot because even from the

00:23:24.019 --> 00:23:27.140
highlights, I think early in the first half when

00:23:27.140 --> 00:23:30.559
Semenya put in a cross and I think the left back

00:23:30.559 --> 00:23:34.420
was also backing up. So it seemed like... a pattern

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from Man City to overload the box I mean to create

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space for the left back on crosses so I think

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it was something Arsenal would never expect obviously

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you're thinking the crosses are going to go to

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Haaland or maybe the centre halves but I think

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Nico O 'Reilly did really well from what I saw

00:23:49.000 --> 00:23:51.279
in the highlights the spaces he kept occupying

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and I can't remember sorry I can't remember which

00:23:56.529 --> 00:23:58.890
game it was, but earlier in the season, he did

00:23:58.890 --> 00:24:01.269
something very similar where he came in from

00:24:01.269 --> 00:24:03.230
the left -hand side and scored a header, and

00:24:03.230 --> 00:24:05.529
he scored two goals that game as well. Yeah,

00:24:05.549 --> 00:24:08.049
so I think maybe it's something Guardiola's using.

00:24:08.150 --> 00:24:11.609
Maybe it's a skill in his locker, a bit of an

00:24:11.609 --> 00:24:15.329
inverted box crasher, but it seems like it could

00:24:15.329 --> 00:24:19.720
be a very big... trump card for Manchester City

00:24:19.720 --> 00:24:22.099
because it's not really something you'd expect

00:24:22.099 --> 00:24:24.200
to see the left back coming in to header, you

00:24:24.200 --> 00:24:29.160
know. Five minutes later, a neat pass from Rodri

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or a reverse pass from Rodri leaves Nunes in

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space who crosses for O 'Reilly to head home

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2 -0. Now, I'm not sure who's to blame between

00:24:37.500 --> 00:24:40.359
Rice and Trossard, but both of them went with

00:24:40.359 --> 00:24:42.880
Rodri instead of the ball, which is why Nunes

00:24:42.880 --> 00:24:46.160
had acres of space to cross. Both goals were

00:24:46.160 --> 00:24:48.319
similar in that if Arsenal cut out the cross,

00:24:48.539 --> 00:24:50.900
City probably wouldn't have scored. But again,

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I have to bring up that Hinkapie was nowhere

00:24:53.259 --> 00:24:55.500
in the picture. Yeah, I didn't even see him in

00:24:55.500 --> 00:24:57.460
the frame at all. Yeah, we just watched the highlights

00:24:57.460 --> 00:25:00.720
and it was only Trossard and Rice that were there

00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:03.869
too. And I mean, there was three men. They did

00:25:03.869 --> 00:25:05.690
have a bit of an overload on the right side.

00:25:08.130 --> 00:25:10.029
Rodri's weight of pass was really good, though.

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I guess Nico O 'Reilly's run also helped the

00:25:15.670 --> 00:25:17.529
cross because I don't think the cross was the

00:25:17.529 --> 00:25:20.349
best. He hit it back across the keeper, so it

00:25:20.349 --> 00:25:24.170
was very good that it didn't go straight at the

00:25:24.170 --> 00:25:27.109
keeper from a city perspective. Yeah, and then

00:25:27.109 --> 00:25:30.480
a good finish from O 'Reilly. From what I could

00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:33.279
see, they deserved it. They created the momentum.

00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:37.259
They made the game happen. So conceding the second

00:25:37.259 --> 00:25:40.220
goal, added with the substitutions of Madaweke

00:25:40.220 --> 00:25:43.440
and Calafiori, injected a bit of urgency into

00:25:43.440 --> 00:25:47.160
the game for Arsenal. But in that period of their

00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:49.539
ascendancy, they weren't able to make it count.

00:25:50.190 --> 00:25:52.430
So this was about a 10 -minute period. They had

00:25:52.430 --> 00:25:56.410
some really good chances. I think Jesus hit the

00:25:56.410 --> 00:26:01.309
ball. No, no. Jesus kind of came on later. So

00:26:01.309 --> 00:26:04.809
like I said, for 10 minutes they had control.

00:26:05.029 --> 00:26:07.710
And then 10 minutes after that, Arteta brings

00:26:07.710 --> 00:26:10.710
on both Martinelli and Jesus. And this throws

00:26:10.710 --> 00:26:13.230
off the balance of the team. All the forwards

00:26:13.230 --> 00:26:15.450
were refusing to track back. And City could have

00:26:15.450 --> 00:26:17.369
scored at least twice with the space left in

00:26:17.369 --> 00:26:21.500
behind. So it was like back four. Rice, front

00:26:21.500 --> 00:26:25.259
four. I think that was just probably... Or front

00:26:25.259 --> 00:26:26.940
five, I should say. I think that was just like

00:26:26.940 --> 00:26:31.839
a last attempt. Yeah. And luckily, City didn't

00:26:31.839 --> 00:26:34.720
score to make it look even worse. But that period,

00:26:34.819 --> 00:26:37.400
I was just thinking, oh, Arteta, you messed up

00:26:37.400 --> 00:26:39.220
here. Because this is the same thing Arnaz Slot

00:26:39.220 --> 00:26:41.500
does. If he's losing, he'll just throw forwards

00:26:41.500 --> 00:26:43.579
on without any regard to the balance. But I mean,

00:26:43.599 --> 00:26:45.859
you have to give the credit to Guardiola then.

00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:48.680
Because I mean, I think... There's very few times

00:26:48.680 --> 00:26:51.940
that Arteta probably hasn't had a solution, whether

00:26:51.940 --> 00:26:55.160
it's through substitutions or through his team

00:26:55.160 --> 00:26:57.900
selection. Like I said, I'm glad it came at this

00:26:57.900 --> 00:27:00.720
point. If anyone was going to do it, it was probably

00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:03.380
Guardiola. More than anything, you have to give

00:27:03.380 --> 00:27:06.140
Man City credit, I guess. If they forced us to

00:27:06.140 --> 00:27:10.019
play in that way, that's more kudos to them because

00:27:10.019 --> 00:27:12.640
I think we've been probably so far the best team

00:27:12.640 --> 00:27:16.170
in the country this season. So in my opinion,

00:27:16.230 --> 00:27:18.789
this match seals Nico O 'Reilly as the best young

00:27:18.789 --> 00:27:21.930
player of the season. Not that he had much competition

00:27:21.930 --> 00:27:24.690
before, but this is a big performance in a cup

00:27:24.690 --> 00:27:26.690
final. And that's something that people remember.

00:27:27.750 --> 00:27:30.349
Who else do you think would be in the conversation

00:27:30.349 --> 00:27:32.950
for best young player with him this season? This

00:27:32.950 --> 00:27:36.109
season, I mean, I'm trying to think of the young

00:27:36.109 --> 00:27:38.150
players who've had a good season. I think it

00:27:38.150 --> 00:27:42.789
would be somebody. We spoke of the boy from Burnley.

00:27:42.829 --> 00:27:47.160
How old is he? The boy from Burnley. Who are

00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:50.599
we talking about? He just scored this weekend.

00:27:51.079 --> 00:27:53.880
Zion Fleming? Yeah. I have no idea how old he

00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:56.940
is. But, yeah, I do think he's a good player,

00:27:57.000 --> 00:28:00.000
but I don't think he's that young. No, no, that's

00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:02.140
what I'm saying. I don't know his age, but I

00:28:02.140 --> 00:28:06.299
think the cutoff is 22, right? It's 23. And,

00:28:06.420 --> 00:28:11.539
like, he is born in 1998, so definitely not.

00:28:11.579 --> 00:28:14.480
He's 27. Oh, 27. Oh, okay. Who else would be

00:28:14.480 --> 00:28:17.259
in the running? I mean, last year was more obvious

00:28:17.259 --> 00:28:18.940
candidates because the young players were in

00:28:18.940 --> 00:28:22.339
the top teams. That's what I'm saying. Maybe

00:28:22.339 --> 00:28:25.240
like Morgan Rodgers? Yeah, I would say Morgan.

00:28:25.259 --> 00:28:28.240
It should be like... I mean, if it's the first

00:28:28.240 --> 00:28:30.440
half of the season, it would be him hands down.

00:28:31.079 --> 00:28:34.440
I think it's going to be Nico O 'Reilly and then

00:28:34.440 --> 00:28:36.359
like other players that are established, but

00:28:36.359 --> 00:28:38.839
they're still deceptively young that you don't

00:28:38.839 --> 00:28:41.960
realize old. How old is Shirky? He's 22, I think.

00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:46.000
Could be him too. Could be him. Despite O 'Reilly's

00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:48.119
two goals, I think Chirky was the actual man

00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:51.119
of the match. He is a sensational player. He

00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:53.500
did the cross for the first goal, but all over

00:28:53.500 --> 00:28:56.279
the pitch, he was incredible. I mean, he's one

00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:58.160
of my favorite players in the league as well.

00:28:58.740 --> 00:29:01.359
I just don't think Guardiola has given him enough

00:29:01.359 --> 00:29:04.400
opportunities. It depends. I mean, I think...

00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:07.880
You know, like with Guardiola, the argument is

00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:09.859
how much freedom is he going to give? Is he going

00:29:09.859 --> 00:29:12.539
to build a system around one player? I think

00:29:12.539 --> 00:29:17.740
it could help Schalke. It could hinder him. Time

00:29:17.740 --> 00:29:21.039
will tell, you know. Saka and Jokers both had

00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:23.700
anonymous games, have been catching quite a lot

00:29:23.700 --> 00:29:26.640
of slander online. Not, let me, constructive

00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:30.319
criticism. Let me say that. A lot of other fan

00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:33.440
bases are saying, is Saka really the star boy?

00:29:35.429 --> 00:29:39.130
I think, again, someone can have an off -season.

00:29:39.309 --> 00:29:41.410
I would say this is his first bad season since

00:29:41.410 --> 00:29:44.609
he's been in the team. He's also been running

00:29:44.609 --> 00:29:46.430
to the ground. I think he's played more games

00:29:46.430 --> 00:29:49.329
than most people in England. I think at some

00:29:49.329 --> 00:29:51.150
point he played the most games over the last

00:29:51.150 --> 00:29:55.710
five years in Europe. It's not an excuse, but

00:29:55.710 --> 00:29:59.349
someone can be in bad form. Like I said, I think

00:29:59.349 --> 00:30:04.480
he's carried us for a long time. I think we owe

00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:07.559
it to him a bit to also help him out in his bad

00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:09.579
moments. Not that we can't criticize him, but

00:30:09.579 --> 00:30:12.819
I don't think he's necessarily been a player

00:30:12.819 --> 00:30:17.799
who you should say should be dropped. The standard

00:30:17.799 --> 00:30:19.799
we're used to him playing at, I guess, is what

00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:22.920
we're used to. But I wouldn't say he does a lot

00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:24.960
of petulant things when he's playing bad. He

00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:27.200
doesn't lose the ball a lot. Maybe he goes sideways

00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:30.500
and backwards a lot. Like with Martinelli, I'd

00:30:30.500 --> 00:30:32.640
understand dropping him if he's out of form because

00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:35.980
his game is very much... He doesn't have a consistency.

00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:38.859
It's more like he drives off the chaos. If there's

00:30:38.859 --> 00:30:42.079
no chaos, he can't play. But I would think, you

00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:45.000
know, with Saka, you can't be too harsh on him.

00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:47.180
With Jokeres, I think... Oh, sorry. Before we

00:30:47.180 --> 00:30:51.400
get to Jokeres, you said something there. Petulant.

00:30:51.460 --> 00:30:54.140
Yeah. And I saw something petulant from Cherki.

00:30:54.559 --> 00:30:57.599
He started to... To juggle the ball. To juggle

00:30:57.599 --> 00:30:59.660
the ball. And I thought that's so disrespectful.

00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:03.779
Even Guardiola started shaking his head. I like

00:31:03.779 --> 00:31:06.839
a bit of flair and a bit of fun once in a while,

00:31:06.920 --> 00:31:10.539
but that was just so disrespectful. And I'm not

00:31:10.539 --> 00:31:12.880
saying I'm glad, but Ben White took him the fuck

00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:16.680
out. I saw that. But at the same time, I mean,

00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:21.859
I think I would have... I'm not obviously defending

00:31:21.859 --> 00:31:25.519
Cherokee, but I'm just saying that... From an

00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:28.500
Arsenal perspective, it's good to have the fact

00:31:28.500 --> 00:31:32.200
that we lost in that manner. I think it will

00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:36.240
be a good learning lesson for us. Emotionally,

00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:40.259
we struggled with managing our emotions over

00:31:40.259 --> 00:31:43.319
the last few seasons. I think to have the cup

00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:45.640
final now, if we can get it together, it might

00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:49.279
be a positive learning experience for the rest

00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:52.779
of the season. Sorry, I interrupted you when

00:31:52.779 --> 00:31:55.019
you were going to talk about your careers. Yeah,

00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:57.819
I think with him, I would understand the criticism

00:31:57.819 --> 00:32:01.980
more. Obviously, I'm not someone for being personal

00:32:01.980 --> 00:32:06.240
with your criticism, but I think he does do a

00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:11.019
lot of petulant things, give the ball away. thrash

00:32:11.019 --> 00:32:13.440
across the field or make the wrong pass you know

00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:16.339
hinder the momentum I think with Saka it's more

00:32:16.339 --> 00:32:18.920
case of we're used to him being the guy who breaks

00:32:18.920 --> 00:32:20.660
the deadlock we're used to him being the guy

00:32:20.660 --> 00:32:22.400
who makes something happen out of nothing and

00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:24.220
he's not doing that but a lot of his decision

00:32:24.220 --> 00:32:27.859
making it's not poor it's just risk averse now

00:32:27.859 --> 00:32:30.220
whereas before he was the player taking a lot

00:32:30.220 --> 00:32:32.079
of risks he was the player dribbling he was the

00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:35.299
player shooting and his shots had better accuracy

00:32:35.299 --> 00:32:37.299
but I guess that comes with confidence you know

00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:40.859
So essentially you're saying Sakai has some credit

00:32:40.859 --> 00:32:43.339
in the bank while Jokers doesn't. Yeah, I think

00:32:43.339 --> 00:32:45.480
Sakai could still come good this season. I mean,

00:32:45.500 --> 00:32:48.480
we saw it with, I guess... You said come good,

00:32:48.539 --> 00:32:49.900
but you're probably going to win the league.

00:32:50.019 --> 00:32:52.680
So even if he's not at his best, you know, he's

00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:55.519
like, you got what you wanted, you know. Players

00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:58.339
often say, it's not about me, it's about the

00:32:58.339 --> 00:33:01.119
team. So this would be the... Yeah, I mean, I'm

00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:02.900
more referring to the Champions League and I

00:33:02.900 --> 00:33:04.920
think there's still a World Cup. So I think he

00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:09.539
can do well in that. I think right now it's also

00:33:09.539 --> 00:33:13.660
okay. I think people are overthinking it a bit.

00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:17.220
He hasn't had much rest. You're entitled to one

00:33:17.220 --> 00:33:19.700
off -season. A couple of off -seasons players

00:33:19.700 --> 00:33:23.180
always need to rebuild, re -strategize their

00:33:23.180 --> 00:33:26.859
game. It's good that he has constructive criticism

00:33:26.859 --> 00:33:30.599
as well when it's constructive. But I wouldn't

00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:32.880
necessarily say he's in the position where...

00:33:33.470 --> 00:33:35.210
we should drop him. I still think he's comfortably

00:33:35.210 --> 00:33:38.170
our best right winger, and I think on his day,

00:33:38.230 --> 00:33:41.029
he's still our best player for me. Alright, we're

00:33:41.029 --> 00:33:42.730
going to have to disagree on that, because I

00:33:42.730 --> 00:33:46.089
thought Maduweke, when he came on, did more in

00:33:46.089 --> 00:33:48.349
that period of time, but we've had this discussion

00:33:48.349 --> 00:33:50.630
before as well. Yeah, I think Maduweke, he's

00:33:50.630 --> 00:33:52.869
a good backup. That's my thing. He can come on

00:33:52.869 --> 00:33:54.750
and make things happen when he has energy. He's

00:33:54.750 --> 00:33:57.589
a good impact player, but I don't think... He'd

00:33:57.589 --> 00:33:59.349
be a good starter. Yeah, I think he'd do a lot

00:33:59.349 --> 00:34:01.190
of petulant things. He'd lose the ball a lot.

00:34:01.369 --> 00:34:03.940
It makes more sense. Saka just needs to get his

00:34:03.940 --> 00:34:05.799
confidence back and I think he's going to start

00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:09.099
taking risks again. So I just think people are

00:34:09.099 --> 00:34:11.380
overthinking it a bit with Saka because we've

00:34:11.380 --> 00:34:13.639
seen a lot of top players go to off -season and

00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:18.039
bounce back, you know. Last question. Do you

00:34:18.039 --> 00:34:20.539
think that this match will have any bearing on

00:34:20.539 --> 00:34:22.980
the title race? That's what a lot of people have

00:34:22.980 --> 00:34:24.960
been wondering. No, not really. I mean, I said

00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:27.019
that before the game. I thought we'd win, but

00:34:27.019 --> 00:34:29.840
I also said we could lose, you know. It's Guardiola

00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:33.019
in the final. He's pretty hard to beat in finals.

00:34:33.139 --> 00:34:35.920
So I'm not surprised that we lost completely.

00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:39.059
But yeah, I don't think it'll have a bearing

00:34:39.059 --> 00:34:41.719
because I think the gap is too big and I think

00:34:41.719 --> 00:34:44.239
they will still drop points more than us till

00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:47.559
the end of the season. All right. Any other things

00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:51.159
you want to say about the cup final or any just

00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:53.579
random things you want to say? Not really. I

00:34:53.579 --> 00:34:56.179
mean, I heard Man City have 19 trophies in...

00:34:56.409 --> 00:34:59.150
eight seasons or something, so congrats to them.

00:34:59.630 --> 00:35:01.510
I mean, I don't think we'll see that repeated

00:35:01.510 --> 00:35:03.750
for a long time in England. I didn't see that,

00:35:03.829 --> 00:35:06.530
but the thing I saw which I was very impressed

00:35:06.530 --> 00:35:09.389
by, Guardiola has five League Cups, the most

00:35:09.389 --> 00:35:11.889
by any manager ever. Which is crazy as well,

00:35:11.949 --> 00:35:15.630
yeah. Yeah, pretty great. 19 -8 and five League

00:35:15.630 --> 00:35:18.090
Cups. Who do you think is in second place? That's

00:35:18.090 --> 00:35:20.570
the greatest coach. No, no, no, no. Has won the

00:35:20.570 --> 00:35:24.710
most League Cups. Who has won? Is it Jurgen Klopp?

00:35:24.829 --> 00:35:27.869
No. It's just somebody very... I wouldn't think

00:35:27.869 --> 00:35:32.949
so, but yeah. Who is it? Jose Mourinho. Okay,

00:35:33.630 --> 00:35:35.610
he won it at Man United and at Chelsea, right?

00:35:35.650 --> 00:35:37.650
Yeah, you would think it would be Ferguson who

00:35:37.650 --> 00:35:40.210
was there for ages. Or Wenger maybe, but Wenger's

00:35:40.210 --> 00:35:42.630
never won it, obviously. I know that as an Arsenal

00:35:42.630 --> 00:35:47.650
fan. Even like Brian Clough. Bill Shankly you

00:35:47.650 --> 00:35:50.130
know managers of the past like you would assume

00:35:50.130 --> 00:35:54.369
them but Jose Mourinho with four I was very shocked

00:35:54.369 --> 00:35:57.909
I mean yeah I guess like I don't think like I

00:35:57.909 --> 00:35:59.570
said I don't think it's a bad sign you guys lost

00:35:59.570 --> 00:36:01.590
the league cup final last season still won the

00:36:01.590 --> 00:36:06.480
league so I think But we weren't in a title race

00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:10.559
with Newcastle. Yeah, I get it. But I don't think

00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:12.679
it will affect us psychologically as much as

00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:15.400
people think. If Man City were right on our heels,

00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:17.900
maybe I'd feel a bit different. But I think,

00:36:17.940 --> 00:36:22.159
let's just say they draw the next game. I think

00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:24.780
we'll win the next game. And then it's very hard,

00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:29.059
I think, 12 points or 11 points to make up. Let's

00:36:29.059 --> 00:36:31.500
move on to the miscellaneous section, starting

00:36:31.500 --> 00:36:34.860
with Bournemouth 2, Man United 2. So this was

00:36:34.860 --> 00:36:36.559
the Friday night game, and I watched it at my

00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:40.760
cousin's house. A lot of fun, because it's always

00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:43.500
nice to see United drop points, but... Especially

00:36:43.500 --> 00:36:46.420
around your cousin. Yeah. My cousin is a super

00:36:46.420 --> 00:36:50.099
United fan, so to see him in the dumps is a great

00:36:50.099 --> 00:36:51.800
feeling. When he was on, he said they were going

00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:58.920
to win the league. He did say that. Yes. Anything

00:36:58.920 --> 00:37:00.780
you want to say about this match? We just watched

00:37:00.780 --> 00:37:02.000
the highlights. I mean, watched the highlights.

00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:06.360
I think not much to add. This is the result I

00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:08.820
kind of expected from this game. So I think I

00:37:08.820 --> 00:37:13.539
expect Man United to get the third spot this

00:37:13.539 --> 00:37:15.539
season only because everyone else has been fit,

00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:18.059
not because they've been particularly good. But

00:37:18.059 --> 00:37:20.500
it's a bit like the Eric Ten Hag season. I think

00:37:20.500 --> 00:37:23.460
people are overrating their ability because of

00:37:23.460 --> 00:37:25.159
their league position and the fact that they've

00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:28.710
won a lot of big games. But we'll see. It depends.

00:37:28.929 --> 00:37:32.809
My criticism is not really of Carrick in particular.

00:37:33.070 --> 00:37:38.590
My interpretation is more that I think their

00:37:38.590 --> 00:37:40.909
squad is good. But I'm seeing now that a lot

00:37:40.909 --> 00:37:42.809
of people say their squad has the potential to

00:37:42.809 --> 00:37:45.869
win the league next season, which I don't think

00:37:45.869 --> 00:37:48.440
so. I think you guys are closer than them. I

00:37:48.440 --> 00:37:50.519
think we will obviously be there and Man City

00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:53.300
are closer than them and Chelsea. So I think

00:37:53.300 --> 00:37:54.960
they still have a lot of work to do on their

00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:57.780
end. I think they're a bit overperforming. The

00:37:57.780 --> 00:38:01.940
Bruno effect as well this season. So we'll see

00:38:01.940 --> 00:38:06.440
in the long run, I expect. I think they'd get

00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:10.179
back in the Champions League, but I don't know.

00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:13.519
I think, will they give Carrick the job? We were

00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:16.349
discussing it last time. I wouldn't. I mean,

00:38:16.369 --> 00:38:18.670
we both said we wouldn't. But we both hope so.

00:38:19.130 --> 00:38:21.110
We both hope he gets it. And I think they're

00:38:21.110 --> 00:38:23.849
going to give it to him, honestly. Yeah. So I

00:38:23.849 --> 00:38:25.710
have nothing to say. I don't want to talk about

00:38:25.710 --> 00:38:27.570
the goals. There's nothing really impressive

00:38:27.570 --> 00:38:30.050
or anything to say about that. But I will say

00:38:30.050 --> 00:38:33.449
Harry Maguire gets a red card. And United fans

00:38:33.449 --> 00:38:36.710
were going off online saying, you know, there's

00:38:36.710 --> 00:38:40.849
a conspiracy against them, etc., etc. But to

00:38:40.849 --> 00:38:43.550
me, Harry Maguire doesn't go for the ball. He

00:38:43.550 --> 00:38:45.969
plays the man and he's the last man. So that's

00:38:45.969 --> 00:38:47.949
a clear red card. That's a clear red card. I

00:38:47.949 --> 00:38:50.170
mean, that's the law of the game, you know. The

00:38:50.170 --> 00:38:52.489
referees are wrong sometimes, but I mean, it's

00:38:52.489 --> 00:38:54.989
like... From my point of view, the referee got

00:38:54.989 --> 00:38:57.690
it spot on in this particular situation. Yeah,

00:38:57.730 --> 00:39:00.949
from the highlights, I saw as well, definitely.

00:39:01.570 --> 00:39:04.730
Okay, let's move on to Fulham 3, Burnley 1. I

00:39:04.730 --> 00:39:07.070
actually watched this game as well. First of

00:39:07.070 --> 00:39:09.329
all, because it was the only game on at the time.

00:39:09.739 --> 00:39:12.099
And secondly, I forgot to do my fantasy team.

00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:14.780
And on my bench was a Burnley player, so I was

00:39:14.780 --> 00:39:17.760
watching in hope of a clean sheet. Despite the

00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:19.760
final score, I thought this was a good performance

00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:22.639
from Burnley. It was an even game for the first

00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:25.219
half and a lot of the second. But in the last

00:39:25.219 --> 00:39:29.239
20 minutes, Fulham showed why they're going to

00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:31.099
be in the league next year and Burnley aren't.

00:39:32.300 --> 00:39:34.860
Lastly, Raul Jimenez did that horrible start

00:39:34.860 --> 00:39:37.239
-stop penalty routine and it was just allowed.

00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:42.480
So did Bruno Fernandes, I guess what we forgot

00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:44.460
to mention in the Man United game. No, well,

00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:48.039
Bruno, like... He kept the momentum, you know

00:39:48.039 --> 00:39:50.920
what I'm saying. He moved forward. Raul Jimenez

00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:53.159
literally took a step backwards. I'm not saying

00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:55.840
his was as bad, but what we were discussing in

00:39:55.840 --> 00:39:59.079
the last episode, I think Bruno still... Can

00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:01.039
I give some context? Yeah. Because I cut that

00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:03.199
out from the last episode, but we were having

00:40:03.199 --> 00:40:06.699
an argument about the stop -start penalty. Oh,

00:40:06.699 --> 00:40:09.219
yes. And I was saying it should be banned, Darren,

00:40:09.340 --> 00:40:13.639
you said. I said... I said, like, how, like,

00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:15.760
do players just keep finding a way around it?

00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:17.599
That was just my argument. So I just thought,

00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:20.980
like, I agree with saying there shouldn't be

00:40:20.980 --> 00:40:23.440
stutters, but then, like, once players find a

00:40:23.440 --> 00:40:25.940
way around it, and then I was like, that was

00:40:25.940 --> 00:40:28.199
my argument. But underpinning the argument we

00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:30.900
are having, we both understood that there's,

00:40:30.900 --> 00:40:33.960
you, if we, if you're going to do the stutter,

00:40:34.019 --> 00:40:36.469
you have to go do it. You have to keep moving

00:40:36.469 --> 00:40:39.949
forward. You cannot step back, right? Raul Jimenez

00:40:39.949 --> 00:40:42.550
took a step. He took two steps back during his

00:40:42.550 --> 00:40:46.070
run -up. Yeah, but I mean, even with the Bruno

00:40:46.070 --> 00:40:48.750
Fernandes or Hazard, I don't know which one of

00:40:48.750 --> 00:40:52.150
them came up with it first, but that technique

00:40:52.150 --> 00:40:56.329
of like... It was also Jorginho, I'm pretty sure.

00:40:56.369 --> 00:40:59.090
He did that a lot. Yeah, I think they all three

00:40:59.090 --> 00:41:02.469
did it. I'm not sure who was the first one, you

00:41:02.469 --> 00:41:04.610
know. So whoever, between three of them who did

00:41:04.610 --> 00:41:07.320
it. I think, isn't it kind of the same thing

00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:10.179
if you just delay your leg above the ball, wait

00:41:10.179 --> 00:41:12.239
for the keeper to move, and then just... Sure,

00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:14.860
sure, sure. Whatever the case is, I don't like

00:41:14.860 --> 00:41:18.400
it. Yeah, I agree, I agree. I just think... How

00:41:18.400 --> 00:41:20.400
do you stop it? How do you police it? Yeah, that's

00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:23.340
my only argument. Okay, let's move on to Everton

00:41:23.340 --> 00:41:26.500
3, Chelsea 0. So, again, I watched this too,

00:41:26.639 --> 00:41:29.840
and Chelsea were absolutely toothless. For the

00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:32.380
first goal, Garner threaded an incredible through

00:41:32.380 --> 00:41:35.280
ball and Beto finished it off nicely. I saw a

00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:40.059
tweet saying that Chelsea have made Beto look

00:41:40.059 --> 00:41:44.420
like Prime Drogba. And then I saw a Man United

00:41:44.420 --> 00:41:47.699
fan respond to the tweet by saying, yes, he definitely

00:41:47.699 --> 00:41:50.380
looks like Prime Drogba because he has six league

00:41:50.380 --> 00:41:56.530
goals now. Yes, I know you love to get your little

00:41:56.530 --> 00:41:59.530
shots in on Drogba. I love Drogba. Let me say,

00:41:59.690 --> 00:42:04.650
actually, all those six goals would have probably

00:42:04.650 --> 00:42:07.769
been in semifinals and finals. He's that type

00:42:07.769 --> 00:42:11.170
of player. I love him as a person as well. I

00:42:11.170 --> 00:42:12.849
just dig him because my best friend supports

00:42:12.849 --> 00:42:16.769
Chelsea. Everton and Beto's second goal was an

00:42:16.769 --> 00:42:19.690
absolute howler from Sanchez. The ball went through

00:42:19.690 --> 00:42:24.269
his legs. It was just very poor. It was a tame

00:42:24.269 --> 00:42:26.110
shot that went through his legs. It wasn't like

00:42:26.110 --> 00:42:29.989
it was a firecracker. I mean, Sanchez was getting

00:42:29.989 --> 00:42:32.289
best goalkeeper shots in the league at the start

00:42:32.289 --> 00:42:35.210
of the season. I did see that as well. It was

00:42:35.210 --> 00:42:40.110
funny at the time, but now it's just sad. In

00:42:40.110 --> 00:42:43.789
my eyes, I think Chelsea are horribly managed

00:42:43.789 --> 00:42:48.099
off the pitch. I empathize with Rossini a bit

00:42:48.099 --> 00:42:50.019
in that respect, but I think what we're seeing

00:42:50.019 --> 00:42:53.480
now is how good of a coach Maresca was to be

00:42:53.480 --> 00:42:55.420
managing through all this bullshit and still

00:42:55.420 --> 00:42:58.039
have them in the top three. They were right on

00:42:58.039 --> 00:43:03.219
our heels when he got sacked. I think that will

00:43:03.219 --> 00:43:05.480
be a long -regretted decision, especially if

00:43:05.480 --> 00:43:08.000
he goes to Manchester City, should Pep leave.

00:43:09.670 --> 00:43:12.369
Everton's third goal was a screamer from Ndiaye

00:43:12.369 --> 00:43:15.010
from a Beto header which put him into space so

00:43:15.010 --> 00:43:18.469
two goals and assist from Beto great finish from

00:43:18.469 --> 00:43:22.030
Ndiaye as well yeah posted stamp because it put

00:43:22.030 --> 00:43:24.849
it right in the top corner it was beautiful you

00:43:24.849 --> 00:43:26.409
know like when you see the highlights in slow

00:43:26.409 --> 00:43:27.949
motion oh yeah a couple of weeks ago you were

00:43:27.949 --> 00:43:29.929
saying who would I want for Arsenal's left wing

00:43:29.929 --> 00:43:32.429
I am starting to really like Ndiaye you know

00:43:32.429 --> 00:43:36.250
I really would take him as uh my cousin said

00:43:36.250 --> 00:43:38.690
that for man united he said he wants india in

00:43:38.690 --> 00:43:41.889
the left wing i cannot believe that i really

00:43:41.889 --> 00:43:45.150
like him i really like how directly he is i i

00:43:45.150 --> 00:43:47.690
also like india but i don't think he's like a

00:43:47.690 --> 00:43:50.889
top four quality like i think he's he's at the

00:43:50.889 --> 00:43:53.070
correct place in everton i think he's one of

00:43:53.070 --> 00:43:55.030
those players who if you put him in a system

00:43:55.030 --> 00:43:57.989
where he's like his role is minimized and he

00:43:57.989 --> 00:44:00.730
can focus on his strengths a bit I think he can

00:44:00.730 --> 00:44:03.590
go up quite a few levels, in my opinion. All

00:44:03.590 --> 00:44:06.010
right. Anything else you want to say about Everton

00:44:06.010 --> 00:44:10.329
3, Chelsea? No. Any other points? Okay. Leeds,

00:44:10.329 --> 00:44:12.789
no. Brentford, no. So this was the late game

00:44:12.789 --> 00:44:15.010
on Saturday, and I had already fallen asleep,

00:44:15.130 --> 00:44:18.110
so I missed it. But a no -no, and looking at

00:44:18.110 --> 00:44:22.130
the stats, five shots on target between both

00:44:22.130 --> 00:44:25.429
teams implies that it was a boring one. I also

00:44:25.429 --> 00:44:27.329
checked the highlights and confirmed that it

00:44:27.329 --> 00:44:30.239
was a boring one. I mean, for Leeds, I guess

00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:33.400
they just need every point at this point, so...

00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:37.519
Like, I don't think Leeds are in trouble at all.

00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:39.280
Yeah, I don't think they're in trouble. They're

00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:41.900
three points from safety, but... The way Tottenham

00:44:41.900 --> 00:44:43.739
are playing... Yeah, well, we'll get to them,

00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:46.019
but yeah. The way the other teams are playing,

00:44:46.099 --> 00:44:48.400
it seems unlikely that Leeds will be caught.

00:44:48.659 --> 00:44:50.780
I think Leeds and Nottingham Forest are playing

00:44:50.780 --> 00:44:53.739
well enough to get out. But I think we'll discuss

00:44:53.739 --> 00:44:57.619
Nottingham later, so... Newcastle 1, Sunderland

00:44:57.619 --> 00:45:00.409
2. Unfortunately, I missed this as well. And

00:45:00.409 --> 00:45:02.889
I was really keen to watch it too. But I had

00:45:02.889 --> 00:45:05.329
to settle for the highlights. The Tyne Wear Derby.

00:45:05.469 --> 00:45:08.150
The Tyne Wear Derby, yes. The first goal was

00:45:08.150 --> 00:45:10.710
a giveaway. And Anthony Gordon slotted home very

00:45:10.710 --> 00:45:15.170
nicely. He's in a good little... What's the word?

00:45:15.409 --> 00:45:19.409
Purple patch. Purple patch, yes. Then Talby scores

00:45:19.409 --> 00:45:23.090
from a set -piece. As in the set -piece came

00:45:23.090 --> 00:45:25.449
in and then Talby hit it. Not that... I mean,

00:45:25.449 --> 00:45:29.309
on that point, I think... I just hope that Arsenal

00:45:29.309 --> 00:45:31.610
are not the team to part with 100 million for

00:45:31.610 --> 00:45:34.750
Anthony Gordon. You know, we've been linked to

00:45:34.750 --> 00:45:38.150
that. I'm like, oh, no. Isn't he former Everton?

00:45:38.489 --> 00:45:41.710
Why would we? Okay, but I also read that he's

00:45:41.710 --> 00:45:45.769
a Liverpool fan. Yeah, I read Cole Palmer's a

00:45:45.769 --> 00:45:49.389
Man United fan. They were linked to them as well,

00:45:49.449 --> 00:45:52.329
but Palmer has been poor recently. We didn't

00:45:52.329 --> 00:45:54.469
speak about him in the Everton -Chelsea game,

00:45:54.530 --> 00:45:57.460
but he had a really poor game. Yeah, I think

00:45:57.460 --> 00:46:01.179
he hasn't gotten the stick Saka has gotten. He

00:46:01.179 --> 00:46:04.380
definitely... Foden, Palmer, Saka, no one won

00:46:04.380 --> 00:46:07.119
the debate. All three are losers. Yeah, but I

00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:10.400
mean, I think from what I'm seeing, Saka's the

00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:12.440
only one who's getting any flack for it, you

00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:15.360
know. I think Foden and Palmer kind of... Because

00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:17.960
Foden isn't playing and Palmer is well protected

00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:22.440
by the Chelsea fan base. Yeah. So, yeah. Aston

00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:27.219
Villa 2, West Ham. Oh. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Brian

00:46:27.219 --> 00:46:30.320
Brobbey scored in the 90th minute to win the

00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:33.179
Titanware Derby and do the double over Newcastle.

00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:37.079
I mean, that's probably one of the best feelings

00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:39.460
away at Newcastle to silence the whole stadium

00:46:39.460 --> 00:46:42.719
in the last minute, you know? Okay, to us, it's

00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:45.969
Newcastle. To them, it's their arch rival. Yeah,

00:46:45.969 --> 00:46:49.630
that's what I'm saying. Yeah, I would really...

00:46:49.630 --> 00:46:51.929
That would probably be one of his most memorable

00:46:51.929 --> 00:46:54.650
goals in his career, even if he does go to a

00:46:54.650 --> 00:46:57.030
bigger club, which I expect as well. Brian Brobbey.

00:46:57.510 --> 00:47:00.530
Yeah, I think he's a good backup option. I think

00:47:00.530 --> 00:47:02.750
a bigger club could snap him up as a number two

00:47:02.750 --> 00:47:05.530
striker. Fair enough. I didn't think much of

00:47:05.530 --> 00:47:09.289
him when I saw him, but all right. And to be

00:47:09.289 --> 00:47:11.750
fair, I don't watch too much Sunderland. I mean,

00:47:11.750 --> 00:47:14.429
I think he scored a brace against us. He scored

00:47:14.429 --> 00:47:17.130
in a couple of the big games. So I think maybe

00:47:17.130 --> 00:47:20.989
there's something there, you know. Okay. Aston

00:47:20.989 --> 00:47:25.250
Villa 2, West Ham 0. McGinn scores from a well

00:47:25.250 --> 00:47:28.010
-worked free kick. He's got a stunner. And then

00:47:28.010 --> 00:47:30.650
Watkins scores from a rebound from a Morgan Rodgers

00:47:30.650 --> 00:47:34.619
long shot. So, 2 -0. Nothing really to talk about.

00:47:35.239 --> 00:47:38.639
West Ham are in the relegation zone. Aston Villa

00:47:38.639 --> 00:47:42.059
are third or fourth from top. So, it's something

00:47:42.059 --> 00:47:44.059
you would expect. You would expect, yeah. But

00:47:44.059 --> 00:47:47.699
despite the contrasting form going into it, West

00:47:47.699 --> 00:47:50.519
Ham have been doing okay and Aston Villa have

00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:53.960
been very poor. Yeah, I mean, it's not a good

00:47:53.960 --> 00:47:56.940
thing for West Ham because I guess momentum is

00:47:56.940 --> 00:47:58.599
very important when you're in the relegation

00:47:58.599 --> 00:48:02.389
battle. especially with the nottingham forest

00:48:02.389 --> 00:48:07.389
picking up momentum so i think uh you know west

00:48:07.389 --> 00:48:10.050
ham it seems like it's going to be west ham versus

00:48:10.050 --> 00:48:12.750
tottenham for the the last the last spot in the

00:48:12.750 --> 00:48:17.809
league you know spurs no not oh sorry we're done

00:48:17.809 --> 00:48:21.500
here yeah spurs no nottingham forest three So

00:48:21.500 --> 00:48:24.159
this is a huge result in relation to the relegation

00:48:24.159 --> 00:48:27.500
fight. Igor Jesus scored a header just before

00:48:27.500 --> 00:48:30.739
halftime. Hudson -Odoi does some good wing play

00:48:30.739 --> 00:48:33.019
and cuts back to Gibbs -White who finishes it

00:48:33.019 --> 00:48:35.820
off with some help from Vicario being poor because

00:48:35.820 --> 00:48:38.659
he hit it directly at Vicario. Vicario makes

00:48:38.659 --> 00:48:41.219
a mess of it and then it goes in. It wasn't a

00:48:41.219 --> 00:48:44.239
very clean shot. Yeah, I mean, right now, Vicario

00:48:44.239 --> 00:48:47.059
is looking like probably the worst player in

00:48:47.059 --> 00:48:51.510
the league, not just the keeper. Like... I also

00:48:51.510 --> 00:48:53.449
think he's poor, but not the worst player in

00:48:53.449 --> 00:48:56.150
the league. Every time I'm hearing about his

00:48:56.150 --> 00:48:58.769
performance, he's doing some atrocious blunder

00:48:58.769 --> 00:49:01.190
that's like... Especially when you're in the

00:49:01.190 --> 00:49:05.889
relegation battle, you could be like... Every

00:49:05.889 --> 00:49:08.969
mistake could be the one that puts your team

00:49:08.969 --> 00:49:13.110
down or brings them closer to going down. I haven't

00:49:13.110 --> 00:49:15.190
watched him much, so I'm not going to say, but

00:49:15.190 --> 00:49:18.119
I'm saying just from... The way Spurs fans have

00:49:18.119 --> 00:49:21.739
been speaking about him, I think it seems like

00:49:21.739 --> 00:49:26.900
he's been very poor generally. So I wouldn't

00:49:26.900 --> 00:49:30.079
say... I'd say Tottenham have a lot of work to

00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:33.920
do whether they stay up or go down. For the last

00:49:33.920 --> 00:49:36.480
goal, Nico Williams puts in an excellent cross

00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:40.929
and Awoyeni taps it in. Yeah, any other things

00:49:40.929 --> 00:49:42.949
you want to say about Spurs, you know, Nottingham

00:49:42.949 --> 00:49:44.849
Forest 3? You wanted to talk about them earlier.

00:49:45.130 --> 00:49:47.090
Yeah, no, I mean, I'm just, you know, obviously,

00:49:47.210 --> 00:49:51.090
at first it starts out as a bit of a joke, like

00:49:51.090 --> 00:49:53.269
mid -season, that, oh, one of the big six are

00:49:53.269 --> 00:49:55.849
in the relegation zone, but now it's like...

00:49:55.849 --> 00:49:58.130
It's becoming more and more real. And, I mean,

00:49:58.150 --> 00:50:01.889
they have players like, they have a World Cup

00:50:01.889 --> 00:50:06.150
winner in their team, Romero. They have a World

00:50:06.150 --> 00:50:08.329
Cup semi -finalist, Van der Veen, in their team,

00:50:08.349 --> 00:50:11.940
so... I thought you had mentioned that they're

00:50:11.940 --> 00:50:14.159
all Europa League winners. Oh, yeah. I mean,

00:50:14.179 --> 00:50:17.500
obviously, that as well. They survived relegation

00:50:17.500 --> 00:50:23.699
and won the Europa League. I mean, it's a sad

00:50:23.699 --> 00:50:26.059
state for Tottenham. I don't want them to go

00:50:26.059 --> 00:50:30.099
down, even as an Arsenal fan. But the way Nottingham

00:50:30.099 --> 00:50:32.219
Forest are playing and the fact that West Ham

00:50:32.219 --> 00:50:35.559
can actually defend... I'm really worried for

00:50:35.559 --> 00:50:38.380
them. I really think they might go down. I think

00:50:38.380 --> 00:50:42.800
the knock -on effect, especially if you're going

00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:44.820
to have to sell players like Van der Veen for

00:50:44.820 --> 00:50:49.019
$20 million or $15 million just to be able to

00:50:49.019 --> 00:50:51.940
take the loss or take the knock of going down,

00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:54.679
I think Tottenham might struggle to even get

00:50:54.679 --> 00:50:58.719
back up. It is like... I've obviously never experienced

00:50:58.719 --> 00:51:02.420
relegation, but like from other people, it seems

00:51:02.420 --> 00:51:04.619
like one of the worst things to go through because

00:51:04.619 --> 00:51:06.579
you have to, like you mentioned about Van de

00:51:06.579 --> 00:51:08.960
Ven, you have to sell off players on high wages.

00:51:09.000 --> 00:51:11.400
You have to, you know, restructure the whole

00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:15.539
club basically. And that's even if you come back

00:51:15.539 --> 00:51:17.880
up, which that's not guaranteed. Yeah, I mean,

00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:19.820
because like the difference, like let's say they

00:51:19.820 --> 00:51:23.500
survive relegation. Okay, they're gonna they're

00:51:23.500 --> 00:51:25.699
gonna have to like sell their players still to

00:51:25.699 --> 00:51:27.800
be able to raise money that they would have got

00:51:27.800 --> 00:51:30.400
if they had finished in a European position but

00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:33.119
You can like if you stay in the Premier League

00:51:33.119 --> 00:51:35.599
you can get 70 million for van de Ven you can

00:51:35.599 --> 00:51:38.760
get 30 million for Romero You can sell your best

00:51:38.760 --> 00:51:41.000
players Colombo and they get a decent fee, you

00:51:41.000 --> 00:51:43.579
know, although I think he's on loan But we'll

00:51:43.579 --> 00:51:46.199
see if they make it permanent or not. Definitely

00:51:46.199 --> 00:51:50.869
not if they go down, but I think it's like that's

00:51:50.869 --> 00:51:53.050
such a subtle difference. Even for a team like

00:51:53.050 --> 00:51:56.710
West Ham, let's say, if they go down, they were

00:51:56.710 --> 00:51:59.889
going to get probably maybe 60, 70 million for

00:51:59.889 --> 00:52:02.809
Jared Bowen. If they go down, they probably get

00:52:02.809 --> 00:52:06.769
10 or 15, you know. So it's like, you don't want

00:52:06.769 --> 00:52:09.550
to be caught in that battle. But right now, I'm

00:52:09.550 --> 00:52:11.710
leaning towards West Ham over Spurs just because

00:52:11.710 --> 00:52:15.369
they can defend well, you know. All right. Anything

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else you want to say about the relegation battle,

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about anything? I mean, I think the relegation

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battle is heating up. Usually, I mean, at this

00:52:26.349 --> 00:52:28.309
stage we're talking about the title race, but

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I think the last three or four seasons, or three

00:52:31.409 --> 00:52:34.289
seasons at least, it's like one team has been

00:52:34.289 --> 00:52:36.570
dominant by this time in the title race, so it

00:52:36.570 --> 00:52:38.429
seems like the relegation and Champions League

00:52:38.429 --> 00:52:42.849
battles are getting more heated. I think... Yeah,

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I think when Man City, in the treble season,

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they had it wrapped up by April. So I think we

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were tailing them for a little while, but by

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this stage, I think the relegation battle seems

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to be where a lot of the entertainment is, you

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know. Okay, well, thank you for listening. Please

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