And welcome back to the PD Football Podcast.
My name is Presh. I'm Darren. And before we get
started, how are you doing? I'm good, how are
you? I'm kind of swell. A little bit tired because
there's a new Game of Thrones show. I stayed
up for it and regret it somewhat because I had
a meeting in the morning. Yeah, work, work. I'm
also a little bit tired. You're a Game of Thrones
fan? Big Game of Thrones fan. I feel like...
The whole world was Game of Thrones fans. I never
jumped onto it, but yeah. I know. Look, there's
the thing. The Game of Thrones fans are very
vocal, and then the non -Game of Thrones fans
are very vocal as well. So it's like one of those
things that people have strong feelings about.
I've watched a lot of scenes in it that look
very beautiful, but I couldn't catch on to the
story, I guess. Whatever the case is... Tired,
I think is the word, but excited to chat about
some football today as well, I would say. I mean,
this weekend was a big one, starting with the
Manchester derby. Yes. So yeah, going in, I had
no idea what to expect. Especially with the sacking
of Amarim. If he hadn't got sacked, I would have
100 % bet on Man City. I've never watched Carrick
play. I missed the handful of games where he
was the interim manager, and I do not watch the
championship. So I just had no idea walking in
what to expect. Guardiola, obviously, is going
to play his tree formation. We spoke about it
in the previous episode. We know what to expect
from him. But, yeah. A little bit more unpredictable
since the game is way more dependent on high
pressing now than before, in my mind. No, I'm
just saying the shape is predictable, not their
patterns of play. But yeah, what did you think?
Before we go into individual incidents, in terms
of the overall game, what did you think? I mean,
I wasn't shocked. Like I've seen Man United,
with a lot of managers, get a new manager bounce.
They beat Manchester City last season at Old
Trafford as well. And they played really well
there against us. So it wasn't surprising to
see them dominate the game. I expected there
to be some sort of manager bounce. I'm also a
bit in the dark with Michael Carrick like you.
I've just read a little bit about him and watched
a few. Tactical breakdowns of his Middlesbrough
team. But never anything really in depth. But
I was impressed. With the performance going in.
I didn't expect. Anything really. Because of
the sacking of Amarim. I would say. It's not
genius. But it was effective. What Carrick did.
First of all. He just played what we in the business
call parking the bus, right? He defended deep
in a low block, hit them on the counter. That's
just, you know, we can talk about individual
kind of things that they did, but overall, that's
the game, how the game went. I mean, that was
always going to be the tactic from their perspective.
Not always, but... I just think it's one of the
most effective things you can do, especially
if you, a team, you know, going through a bad
phase, you know, solidify at the back and just
use your pacey, especially if you do have pacey
wingers, you know, use that about them, you know.
So, yeah, it was a 4 -4 -2 low block when they
were defending, but in possession they were in
a 4 -3 -3 with Bruno dictating play. Playing
Bruno in the 10 is not like a genius masterstroke.
It's just common sense. He's one of the best
10s in the world. Imagine playing KDB deep and
telling him he needs to track back and defend.
People would laugh at you. Similarly, I feel
Bruno, the talent that he has... you know, what
he can do for the team. He shouldn't be burdened
with so much defensive duty as what Amir put
upon him. And I think this was his best performance
of the season. He was totally sensational. My
man of the match. I don't think they gave him
man of the match. So I think maybe Dogu got it.
I'm not sure. I didn't see on the... I think...
Well, whatever the case is, I just believe...
For me, he was the best on the pitch. So that's
just the game in general. Parking the bus, getting
on the counter, that's fine. I was also impressed
with the pressing. Because you're not always
going to catch a team on the counter. So one
of the ways we can engineer a counter situation
is pressing them high. turning over the ball
high and, you know, getting at them. And I thought
United were very good at pressing the Spurs game.
They forced a lot of errors. Yes. We'll speak
about City just now, but I'm just trying to...
I want to give United their flowers, so to say.
This is a rare moment for you. No, no, no. I'm
a very fair person, I would say. They... The
whole thing, like, Amirams... Coaching, I think,
was very amateur. The fact that Carrick can get
them moving like this after just like a few sessions
shows how bad Amarum really was. Yes, what else
did they do? It's just low block, impressed with
their pressing. But I mean, I think the distances
also, between the lines were really small. And
I think... It helped him on the transition, especially
with Casemiro. He didn't have too many difficult
passes to make, whereas with Amorim he had to
try to stretch the ball a lot. Bruno was right
next to him half the time, so he could just move
the ball onto him and he could occupy him in.
I think there was a lot of things in Michael
Carrick's coaching that I would say... I don't
know if many United fans would like it, but it
obviously comes from a more... closer leaning
towards Guardiola's school of thought than complete
transition based football because I do think
he placed way more emphasis on midfield than
well the thing is my sample size is one game
He could just be doing this for this particular
game and then his preferred style of play is
much different than this. We would have to see
him over a number of games to actually get a
gauge of... What his philosophy is. But from
what I've read, he does seem to be more of the
mould of dominating the ball. Yeah. So, we spoke
about United. Now, the thing that is going to...
get me accused of not giving united their flowers
is that city were poor and that's why united
won i feel that was the main thing people are
talking about how sensational united were and
again i want to give them their flowers but city
were really poor and uh city allowed them more
so to to you know like city are so good at playing
out of a press but they just didn't this weekend.
They got caught. Is that because United are so
good or is it because City are lethargic and
Rodri isn't up to it? Nico Gonzalez is out of
the team. But I've always thought United have
one of the best squads in the world. Not in the
world, in the league, sorry. But I think that's
why Amorim has been able to kind of stay in the
Champions League race even though they haven't
really played well at all this season. I think
the players have signed also decent. So it depends
how you look at it. But I don't think it's conceivable.
I think it's still conceivable to think that
Man City were playing well. I just think they
looked kind of out of ideas. Yeah, I mean, in
that game. But I do think Man United nullified
them in a way that shocked them. Maybe I'm being
unfair too. to United and I should be more praising
of them but I really felt City didn't put up
a fight. City were just allowing them to get
on them. I mean, Rodri misplaced a lot of passes
uncharacteristically, like you said. That was
probably one of the worst games. I can't recall
him playing a game worse than that except maybe
the days when he first signed for Man City where
he was playing at centre -back, playing in midfield.
Being rotated a lot. Another thing, sorry, I
just want to go back a little bit to parking
the bus. An unorthodox thing, I said Bruno was
a common sense. The thing that looked uncommon
sense to me was playing Dogu and Ahmad as the
wingers instead of Mbwemo and Kunya. But what
I did see is that Dogu tucked in. and Ahmad on
the other side when City had possession. So they
flooded the midfield, which is what allowed them
to disrupt City's play in the midfield. So I
think playing those two wingers on its surface,
even though it looks weird, was actually a masterstroke
from Carrick to flood the midfield with more
players. Yeah, it's overload. But again, am I
giving him too much credit or not enough credit?
I don't know. What else I want to say? Okay,
so we've just spoken about the generalities.
Do you have anything else you want to say about
that? No, as far as I'm concerned, I'm good.
So specific incidences now, right? I want to
talk about, so I actually watched this at my
uncle's house. Amongst many United fans. Uncle,
cousin, dad. Okay, my brother wasn't there. But,
like, three of them are Man United fans, and
they were very vocal and entertaining. But, yeah,
so I came in a few minutes late. And the first
thing I walk in on is the VAR is analyzing the
possible red card challenge from Dello on Doku.
And I thought that was a Stonewall red. Yeah,
I saw it as well. So Dello is studs up, he's
nowhere near the ball, and he's lunging. And
Doku's foot is planted in a really awkward angle.
It wasn't planted, that's the thing. I'll say
this now, right? The only argument you could
possibly make is that it wasn't forceful enough.
That's what a lot of people are saying. There
wasn't force behind it. But I would counter that
by saying Doku moved out of the way at the last
moment, which is why it didn't. you know, it
didn't look worse. Oh, I didn't notice that.
If Doku's leg was properly planted, it might
have been a leg breaker. That's how serious I
think it was. Yeah, I assumed from the angles
I saw it, because I didn't, like, watch any breakdown
of it or whatever, that it was maybe, like, that
his foot was planted and the force was less,
at least at the time of, like, impact. But if
we're going back to this forceful argument, I
would just point to two incidences in the recent
past that were red cards. And if those were red
cards, then this should definitely be a red card.
So first of all, last week in the Classico, Frankie
de Jong, he slid in and he got a red card. His
feet were high. He was lunging. He wasn't near
the ball. There was no force. He just like he
was going slowly. but still a red card. And they
were absolutely right to do it. The second one
I want to say is Xavi Simmonds on Van Dijk earlier
in the season. We played them a couple of weeks
ago now. High boot, out of control of his body,
studs over the knee. I'm shocked that there's
people who are like, ah, this game's gone. It
should be a yellow. I think that really changed
the whole complexion of the game. United were
extremely lucky with that call. Yeah, I agree.
I definitely thought it should have been a red
as well. Like, I just think that on the argument
of the force, I just thought that whether he...
reduce the force or not I think the nature of
the challenge was dangerous so yes yeah I agree
with that I was trying to make the same point
but you just did it so well in one sentence he
should have he should have been sent off it's
like I mean we've seen things for red cards that
haven't got overturned that are worse we don't
need to get into all that but like You've probably
had some against your team. This person's had
some against their team. I think at what point
do we, like, maybe football can learn something
from the way rugby uses VAR. Like, have a more
direct understanding and maybe let the VAR make
the decision. And then it's like, I guess when
everything gets caught in communication and this
person thinks that, and now you're talking about
millimeters. everything becomes confused and
the game loses momentum i agree with vr overall
but i can understand the argument of like oh
if your team is going for it or whatever it can
it can kind of kill that momentum so yeah that
that's the first incident the second incident
i want to talk about is the goal um it comes
from a city free kick And United burst lightning
quick on the counter. And obviously hate United,
but just watching that was a pleasure. From Bruno.
Yeah, like, you know, seeing a counterattack
in full motion just go so quickly is such a nice,
fun thing to watch. As a football fan. As a football
fan, yes. Bruno. Played the ball in. Sensational
ball. Buemo finished it. Excellent goal. It reminded
me of prime clock ball. That's... Yeah, in a
lot of ways it was, right? Like, you know, the
pressing, a lot of that, like, it reminded me
a lot of clock. Now, maybe I'm being, like, way
too premature, but, like, I just don't think
you can win the league like that. Like... On
a consistent basis, you mean? Yeah. I would say
if we look at the last 10 years or so, it's mainly
been possession -based football that's won the
league. But, I mean, that is kind of because
of Guardiola. Yeah, but nevertheless... What's
the standard of possession football if Guardiola
leaves? Because, I mean, you'd have... We don't
need to get into all that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, yes, I like that goal from... Then the second
goal, I really have to blame City's fullbacks.
City's fullbacks, in my opinion, are just not
good enough. It's unfortunate because they're
young and maybe I'm being very premature and
rude, but Nico O 'Reilly and Rico Lewis are just
not good enough, in my opinion. It depends what
you consider them as. When Rico Lewis started
as a midfielder, I was really impressed. But
I guess getting into Man City's midfield at that
time wasn't going to be easy. And Pep using him
as a right -back means he's kind of turned him
into a utility player. You just kind of throw
him wherever he fits. I still think he has a
lot of potential as a midfielder. Maybe not at
Man City, but we've seen it. Look at Tielemans
at Aston Villa, you know. All right, so let's
say 50 % it was United were good and 50 % City
were bad. Is that a fair breakdown? That's going
to be the case in any game, though. No, like...
I mean, there have been times where teams have
dominated and lost, but it's more rare. Even
if you go back to your defeats last season, maybe
PSG, you guys played an even game. But how many
times do you dominate a game and still lose very
rarely? Okay, sure. So, are we done with United?
Is there any closing comments that you want to
make about them or something that we missed?
They will... not make European football still.
Yeah, I have no idea what to expect from them.
My sample size for Carrick is one. I just want
to see more football being played and then I
can express an opinion on Carrick. I'm kidding
though, they'll definitely be in the Conference
League. Alright, so let's move on to Lopal versus
Burnley. Well, do you have anything you want
to say? I mean, I didn't expect much going in.
Like I said, I think I don't... I'm not looking
at you guys through the same lens of you. So,
I mean, as the Liverpool fan, I think you should
go first because my opinions can then... Okay,
well, first of all, I'm still at my uncle's house.
But unfortunately, at this point, the rest of
the guests have started coming in. And I'm trying
my best to focus on what's happening in this
game. But for whatever reason, I become the most
popular person in the world during a local game.
Everyone wants to chat with me. Even chatting
about the game is a little bit annoying. People
want to talk to me about their lives. Share their
whole life stories. This is really not the time.
Now they're telling you about their kids' school
while you're trying to watch your team. If I'm
missing something, forgive me. I have watched
the highlights back. Even if I didn't watch this,
I could analyze this game. Why is that? Because
you've seen it every week. Not every week, but,
you know, Burnley would probably set up in a
low block, like United did against City, and,
you know, try and catch us on the counter, parking
the bus, like we just said. You know, like, people
do it because it's a, not useful, a, effective
tactic. Right? And our biggest problem this season
has been breaking down the low block. And...
And what do you think that's come from compared
to last season? So, there's many ways to... to
break down the low block, right? So, not break
down... to score against a low block. So for
one, perhaps Burnley come up for a corner and
we catch them lightning quick on a counter. That's
one option. We don't really have any pacey players
right now that can catch people on the counter,
so that wasn't an option. A second thing we can
do is score from a set piece, which not a lot
of set pieces... came about in this match. But
the most, so what Guardiola does is keeps the
ball, probes, probes, probes, probes, looks for,
you know, where the space opens up, that's where
we attack, right? Yeah. That's, to me, that's
the most effective thing you can do. Just keep
possession, press, not press, you know, pin them
back. Try, you know, move the ball around until
you can engineer some space, shoot, win, right?
He's done that. And of course, I don't want to
say the only, but kind of a surefire way to beat
a low block is just to have better players. And
I know that sounds very obvious, but, you know,
if you have Messi trying to break down a low
block versus like... I don't know, Danny Welbeck.
Of course, you know, the more inventive player
is going to find a way or, you know, find more
ways than the less inventive player, right? So
just the fact that we have better players than
Burnley should have been enough, right? But today,
I blame the players. I do not blame the coach
because slot provided the platform. for these
guys to win, they didn't take their chances.
And we watched the highlights just before we
started recording, right? And you could see that
we were quite wasteful. I don't mind us... So
this is the thing. I really want to compare this
in contrast to the Leeds game a few weeks ago,
where we're just passing, passing, passing. We're
not taking shots. We're not crossing. We're just,
you know, wasting our time. kind of around the
the penalty area not not the penalty area the
box and we're not doing anything actionable against
Burnley we were taking shots we were putting
in crosses we were you know doing the right things
we just got I don't want to say we got unlucky
because I think the players just weren't at it
that's more the players weren't clinical enough
I think they were a bit arrogant, and they thought,
like, okay, we're going to just turn Burnley
over, right? Yeah. So what did you make of Wirtz,
though? Sensational. He had a very good game,
pulled the strings. Slot gave him a free roll.
He wasn't on the left or right. He was just,
you know, popping up where he needed to. He scored
a very good goal, a very well -taken goal. Obviously,
I just want to shout out Eketike for the run.
He didn't get an assist for it, but the run leading
up to the goal. Some of his technique is amazing.
Every time you watch him, he gets better. So
Wurz, he's getting the goals and assists now,
but I think he's been playing well for a couple
of weeks. More than a couple of weeks. Say, two
months now. He's been playing quite well. So
he's just needed the end product, which has come.
Yes. Or it seems like it's come. Yes. And I thought
he was one of our better players. So where would
you think the problem lies in terms of, I would
say that Wurz and Ekitike are probably two of
the best players in the league if you get the
most out of them. So how do you go about it more
consistently? Speaking about this game, I said
I wouldn't blame the coach. I would say maybe
if we had 10 blame points, I would give two blame
points to the coach, eight to the players, right?
What would those two be? I'm not saying two points
as in there's two reasons. I'm saying like as
a value. What would that be attributed to though?
Picking Gakpo, which... What does Gakpo give
you or what do you think he sees? The biggest
thing I can think of is his height. If we're
putting in crosses, we can't just have Ekotike,
who's the one and only aerial threat. We need
another aerial threat. Obviously, at corners,
Van Dijk and Kanate come up, but I'm saying during
open play, we need more threat in the box. So
that could be one. Two... That's about it. He's
just a 6 out of 10 player, right? I keep telling
my cousin this. He's a 6 out of 10 player, and
there's nothing wrong with that. It's just we
need better. We need a different type of player,
a different profile of player, somebody who's
going to take on his man. So, I mean, if Kay's
fitness isn't, like, something you can rely on,
what would you say? We've got to sell Gakpo.
No, I mean internally till the end of the season.
I would play Rio Ngamua. The unfortunate thing
is Rio's body cannot take that much strain. So
we need to manage his minutes. Gakpo, I think,
should be the backup. That, you know, eases Rio's...
So they rotate... Yes. What's currently happening
is Gakpo will play 70 minutes. Maybe even 80
minutes, Rio will play 10. Right? I think it
should be flipped or, you know... But that's
beside the point. Because Gakpo doesn't help
with breaking down a low block. He just takes
long shots. Which, you know, maybe could lead
to a corner, which could lead to a goal, but
he doesn't, his 1v1 quality is not good enough.
And out of possession? What would you say? He's
not even good at that. He's not, like... My biggest
concern is that he doesn't make use of Kyrgyz.
Right? The point of Kyrgyz is that he bombs on
forward and puts it across. He never... I cannot
even remember a time that he's passed to Kirke
as ever. That's how seldom it happens. He always
cuts in. Yes, he's so predictable. And if he
doesn't get any output, you know, you really
feel how many attacks he's killed. Yeah, I mean,
if someone gets consistent output, then it's
hard to criticize them. Well, I was criticizing
even when he did get output because it was still
killing so many attacks. If you kill 10 attacks
and score one goal, it's not worth it for me.
You know, but whatever. That's one. The other
thing I want to say is perhaps a very unpopular
thing is Sabotslai. Sabotslai, I'll make this
point in another game just now, but he is good
in big games because his main attribute is pressing,
right? Against the smaller teams, he's not maybe
the most technical player to break down a team,
right? I would have thought McAllister would
have been a better player. But the thing is,
you can't just drop Savoslai, right? And, you
know, Slot is already under pressure. If he drops
Savoslai, they'll be calling for his head. Now,
when we get to the individual incidences, Savoslai
misses a penalty. Take that out of the conversation
completely. I'm only speaking about open play.
He killed the momentum in a lot of attacks. He's
just not on the same page as a lot of players.
Don't take this as me saying he's a bad player.
I just think this game didn't suit his type of
play. That's all I'm trying to get at. If we
had better options... We do actually have better
options. I think McAllister should have started
ahead of him. But, again, this is why I'm blaming
slot. Those are my two points of blame. But,
yeah, your thoughts about general play? Yeah,
I mean, I'd agree with most things you said.
I'd just say, like, maybe Sabozla is, like, someone
who... like you said, gives you a lot out of
possession. But in a game against Burnley, we
don't necessarily need to be, you know, pressing
them. So we don't need that type of player. We
need a more technical player. Yeah, I mean, maybe
he didn't know what the game state was going
to be, and he assumed that... But come on, man.
Even I told you before the game started, we know
Burnley's going to sit deep, try to get us on
the counter. the question is trying to unlock
them. I think he thinks Wurz is enough. But Wurz
can only do so much without, you know, with like
Sabasa killing the tempo, with Gakpo killing
the tempo, you know. But yeah. Yeah, I mean,
I get what you're saying. I'm just thinking that
some coaches still, like even Arteta, obviously
we'll talk about that later, but they prioritize
out of possession. In terms of, I think they
focus on reducing as much, like I guess, what's
the word that they say in financial stuff? Like
a calculated risk. I think they are very much
less, their coach is like halfway between like
whatever they've learnt and I think like slot
is halfway between like Louis van Gaal and Pep
Guardiola more than being directly compared to
Pep Guardiola but I do understand what he's doing
and I do think you can win a league long term
and I think he's more focusing on building a
team that controls a game out of possession because
I think it's harder to play against consistently.
And if you can't sign, like you said, world -class
players, top players, all the time in every position.
He already probably knew signing players for
this much was going to limit him in future transfer
windows. So he had to consider out of possession,
I think, as much as in possession, in my opinion.
Well, back to the game. So I was saying we had
enough chances. We had seven shots on target
and 3 .5 expected goals, right? And we scored
one. And that indicates that they just weren't
good enough today. They weren't clinical enough.
I just don't understand how people can blame
slot. That's the main talking point coming out
of this weekend, that slot is to blame for this.
I mean, football fans are generally, it's like,
online. And in terms of that most people today
consume online content, very reactionary. Do
you want to get into beef? Yeah. So there's this
bald guy. I don't mean that in a negative way.
If you're bald, that's not a bad thing. I'm just
trying to describe this fellow. They do hair
transplants in Turkey. No, man. There's this
bald guy on YouTube. He's a Liverpool fan. He's
an Irish guy. I don't know his name, but he just
does outrage clips. and my cousin loves to watch
him and i just see him and he has like such a
poor understanding of football and i just saw
his uh his video pop up in my feed and it said
i want slot out now it's too depressing i just
like right did you even watch the game what did
what can what more can slot do uh you know but
yeah um do you want to get oh sorry you wanted
to say something i was just going to say that
i think it's an unfair comparison for Whether
it's Jurgen Klopp, I know you probably fully
didn't agree. I think Pep Guardiola is still
the better coach. I just think it's unfair to
fully compare anyone to a manager, to a coach
who's in a position where they can consistently
sign whoever they want at any point in any transfer
market. Because hypothetically, even if it had
been Antonio Conte, he would probably be winning
the league as much with Manchester City. So,
do you want to get into individual incidences
in this game? Yeah, we can start. So, obviously,
Sabotslai misses a penalty. Now, the penalty
itself, I thought, was very soft. So, in a cosmic
sense, karma was... I mean, justice was served.
It was right that we shouldn't have scored that.
In terms of my fantasy team, I was fuming. Sabotslai
is in my team, and I just wanted to break something.
I wanted to just, like... Just throw something.
I was so angry. He's done absolutely nothing
the last couple of weeks. The only reason I have
him is because he's a penalty taker now because
Salah was away at AFCON. And I'm like, all right,
here's it. It's all, you know, you've let me
down for so many weeks. Today's the day. Today's
the day it's all going to pay off. And he just
slams it on the crossbar. And, I mean, you're
probably, like, historically one of the people
who rates him most highly. Yeah. No, well, I'm
not angry with him based on one match. Yeah.
I'm just pointing it out. No, I'm just putting
it out there so people don't think you have a
beef with Bozler, you know. The second incident
I want to bring up is Wurz's goal. Yeah, that
was a sensational finish. Not enough people are
talking about Ekotike's role in it. And I think
that's exactly what we need. We need people driving
at the opposition 1v1, making the space so that...
Other people can shoot. Yeah, I love him so much.
If I could sign any player in the league, it
would be him, even over Haaland. I mean, Haaland
has... I just see his ceiling as being incredibly
high. Well, we were speaking about this in the
previous episode, but I was saying Haaland's
link -up play is not... as good as Ekotike. I
didn't actually say that, but I was implying
it. I think Haaland's still probably better finisher,
better striker overall, but Ekotike's link -up
play was, in the very limited time we've seen
of him, is better than Haaland, I think. I think
it's just about ironing out the margins with
Ekotike. I think he has the potential to be one
of the best players in the world. We've seen
many strikers. I mean, one of them being Thierry
Henry only hit his peak like around 24. So he
still has a while to go, you know. I think he's
23. So a year is a long time. A year is a long
time. But either way, I think like Henry started
developing his finishing around 24, 25. And then
he became probably the best player in the world
when he was like 28, 27. Yeah. All right. Then
I burned his goal. It's just Gravenberg and Konate
falling asleep. What do you think has happened
to Gravenberg? Just the games have been different.
He's not... He's not the type of player to help
break down a team. Like, his progressive passing
is not his main skill. His main skill is his
dribbling and getting out of... tight spaces
to unleash somebody else. But again, breaking
down a Burnley team, he's not effective. Do you
think he's dropped off purely as a holding midfielder
off of last season? Even last season when we
were doing well, I thought we still needed to
buy a better... a proper CDM, and let him play
as the eight. I mean, Slott probably wanted Zubamendi.
That was his first choice of signing. Could be.
Even if we didn't get Zubamendi, I think we should
have, you know, just been more in the market,
you know. Like, I just don't understand. Not
don't understand, but I don't think Gravenberg
long -term and in certain games is the best choice.
But let's get past that. Alisson also should
have done better. It was a very good finish.
I have to take my cap off to Marcus Edwards.
What did you think of Burnley's goal? Yeah, I
thought it was a good finish. Like you said,
sloppy defending. But I think all in all, it
could just be one of those games. How many bad
games does Alisson have? How many, like, bad
games does even Gravenberg have? I mean, it's
unfair to say that. Like, I think unless you're
talking about Zubamendi or Caicedo, there's still
probably, he's the next best defensive midfielder
in the league for me. So, we're just talking
about margins, you know. And, once again, how
do you blame slot for these guys falling asleep?
You know, it's... I've seen it in the past with
Arsenal. You can't blame a coach for losing a
game through individual errors. And sometimes
it pays to be persistent. You never know. I was
of the firm belief that Gabriel should be gotten
rid of. And I was proved to be wrong. I think
the coach always knows more, especially if they've
won a Premier League title. But generally, it's
unfair to criticise someone who's... Who has
competed at the top end of world football? To
the level where the things you're saying are
more than criticism. Okay. So that's all I have
to say about the local game. Yeah, I thought
Burnley were decent. They had a game plan. They
came, they executed it. I can't fault them. They
did what they needed to do. We were just poor.
No, no, we weren't poor. Finishing was poor because
we had the chances. The creative portion of the
team did their job. They put us in good positions.
The finishing was poor. Yeah. Do you want to
move on to the Arsenal -Nottingham Forest game
or the other way around? Forest -Arsenal game.
Yeah, we can. If you're ready. I would like for
you to take the lead in this because I was still
at my uncle's house, but this is when the food
comes in. Oh, now you're at the dinner table.
I'm at the dinner table. You can still see the
TV from the dinner table, but I wasn't 100 %
focused now. And this game ends 0 -0. So not
a lot of flashpoints, I don't think. I mean,
yeah, it was a conventional Premier League 0
-0 draw. I wouldn't say that Nottingham Forest
created much. They defended really well. In a
lot of ways, I wouldn't say Arsenal played badly
either. It kind of falls into the same boat as
you guys. I think we did enough to win. Martinelli
missed a sitter. I think Mourinho missed a sitter
as well. I think Trossout missed an easy chance.
Barely watching the game. I would suggest that
this game went almost precisely the same way
as the Liverpool -Burnley game. Yeah, exactly.
Because a lot of games just kind of go like this
between a bigger team and a smaller team. They
park the bus, it's the question of breaking them
down. And that's what separates the league winners
and top four, top five teams. It's that breaking
down, you know... that team, having that extra
little bit of quality to, you know, get the win.
Yeah, I mean, sometimes it's like, it's also
like, who do you blame in the team? Like, I think,
I think you obviously blame the team as a whole.
That's the normal thing to do from a, I guess,
like a team building standpoint or a coaching
standpoint. But I would say, you know, Arsenal
created enough chances to win. It's like, again,
from a coaching perspective, I think Oteta did
enough to win the game. I think Kierkegaard missed
another set -up. I think he missed two set -ups
actually in the game. So it's not like we didn't
do enough to win the game. It's more, from a
coaching perspective, they didn't create anything.
So it's just like one of those games. I think
generally... Outside of Man City, we've been
the best team at probably breaking down the low
block this season. But they haven't been able
to stop teams creating chances against them.
I don't feel threatened as an Arsenal fan going
into most games. But I would say that in this
particular game, we did a lot. It wasn't like
a game where you'd say that we didn't do enough
to win it. We played bad. It was just a draw
that came about. It was a good performance. Again,
I think if we had a player like Ekotike, we could
have won that game because, again, I think Kyrgyz
did well, but he didn't really understand the
midfielders or link with them as well as they
would have wanted, interpret a lot of their passes.
He's a very direct runner. I think, like, Arsenal
have a lot of, like, especially maybe one thing
I want to mention is... Declan Rice, from open
play, he's creating a lot of chances in the last
three or four games compared to... I think he's
taking on that responsibility maybe because Saka's
still... I don't think Saka's still fully fit.
I don't know if he's playing at his best yet.
He seems to be getting there slowly. I'm hoping
by the end of the season he'll be there. But
Declan Rice has... I think yesterday we had...
Close to 3x3, and almost all of them came from
Rice, I think. So, from open play, he's really
improved his creativity. I mean, also, he guarantees
you a certain amount of chances he creates to
set pieces the game, and they're really good
chances. I think maybe there's an over -reliance
on that. If Declan Rice gets injured, can you
replace that capacity? Because I think he's playing
so well right now, it's like, it's hard to see.
Better than Gerrard, I'm hearing. Bro, you know
I'm not that guy. No, no, no, no. I didn't say
it was you. You're talking about exaggerated
opinions. I'm telling the audience this is what
I'm hearing. But he is the best midfielder in
the Premier League right now, comfortably. I
disagree. Who would you say is? Kaisero. Oh,
no. But we can disagree. So do you have anything
else you want to say about this game? I mean,
I give Nottingham Forest their credit for defending
well. They did, like, Calum Hudson -Odoi was
a big threat, like, in terms of his dribbling.
He managed to pin us back a few times. But I
wouldn't say it was like a game where, again,
you need to get overly... What is it? You need
to praise them too much or praise Arsenal too
much. I think a draw was the fair result. Like
I said, I didn't watch most of the game. But
I would just throw out a few things. One, Eze
didn't get a proper run out, did he? Yeah, we've
seen this from Arteta before. He will eventually
start. I don't want to say he should replace
Odegaard. Because Odegaard is a very good creator.
But the same kind of point I was making about
Sabotslai versus Burnley, I sometimes think the
same thing about Odegaard, that he's much better
off the ball, play him in the big games, the
smaller games, but it's not a one -to -one comparison
because Odegaard is a much better creator than
Sabotslai. But I just think Eze would offer more
creativeness. That's a very subjective thing,
I understand, but I think Eze would have been
a... But the thing is, you created enough anyway.
I just think you could have created even more
if Eze was there instead of Odegaard. I think
it would depend for me personally. I think Eze
eventually gets in the team as a starter, especially
when we get deeper in the Champions League. But
I do expect him to be a left winger in Arsenal's
set -up. I don't think we lack central creativity
as long as Rice is performing well. Like I said,
there's an over -reliance on Rice through the
centre right now. I don't think Odegaard has
the same capacity for creating chances in the
final third. Again, this is stuff Rice is really
new at. It's like every week he gets better as
well, which is surprising because there's now
things you can rely on him for that you maybe
would have had to rely on other players for.
I think Zubamendi's form in the last two or three
weeks, he's been able to push himself up the
pitch, and you've also seen a lot of his creative
play come in. They've benefited each other, but
I think more of it is down to, oh, okay, Zubamendi
can control the game high up the pitch because
Rice is taking passes that Odegaard wouldn't
take before. I still see the problem with Odegaard
being out the team, though. the press drops off
and again I think leaking chances although I
used to be someone who believes you can consistently
outscore your opponent but like you said if you
don't have the best players if you're competing
against Manchester City It makes more sense to
be defensively solid because I think it's, like,
pretty much impossible to match them in attack
if they're, like, at full strength. You know
what I'm saying? Well, we're out of the KDB era
now. So, you know, things are different. But
I take your point. Yes. The last point I want
to make, and then I think we're done here. I've
seen a lot of... I mean, it could have been seen
as rotation. Some people could have said you
wanted to get the three points. But, like, I
understand it either way in terms of... I think
Oteta thought we'd have enough to win the game,
and they did kind of do enough. Martinelli, again,
Mr. Sitter, Madueke, got in a lot of good positions,
put in a lot of good balls. It's like, which
game do you take the risk on, like, playing a
player you need to play into form in, is my question.
Oh, so I was... Sorry to interrupt. Because I
do think... I'm personally a big fan of Kai Havertz,
so I do think Jokeres drops out of the lineup
as soon as... Okay, keep the Jokeres aside. I'm
talking about the wingers more so. Their performance,
what you thought about that? I mean, I think,
like, obviously it was underwhelming to, like,
fans online and stuff, and they could have done
more. Like, I do think Maduweke created a few
chances. He was threatening. But, like, I'm not
judging players too harshly by one game or...
I still see what they can offer. Remember, those
are the backup options. I don't think in any
way they're going to replace Saka and Trossard
going forward as the main starters. I think managers
rotate. Whether it was the right game to rotate
or not, that's a different question. I have a
totally different reading of this. I'm under
the impression that this was a tactical change,
that the type of winger Madueke is, and the type
of winger Martinelli is, Arteta thought they
could get better, you know, they would have a
better, you know, runners would have a better
chance against Forrest than, say, Osaka, who,
you know, is a different type of winger. But
I think he's, like, kind of conditioned Madueke
to... slowly trained his game into being more
like Saka's like I think it's happening game
by game but I think he wants him to be a backup
to Saka I don't think he wants that like like
oh if like maybe Maduike has more pace you can
use the transitional threat but I think Otetazo
has been kind of someone who's like to balance
he wouldn't he hardly ever goes for two like
pacey wingers unless the pacey winger is also
creative, you know. Like, Saka has a decent amount
of pace and Martinelli can have some games where
he creates a lot of chances, but it's very seldom
that he just put in two wingers, I think, purely
out of their pace and power. I think it's also
a game of, like, you know, you have to practice
in real life, in real time, and I think he wants
Martinelli to play more like Trossard and he
wants Maduike to play more like Saka, so... The
squad dynamics are the same when he rotates.
I see. So those are our three highlight matches
of the week. And now we're just going to go through
some quick hits. So quick. Is that... What is
it? It's so hot. Oh, I thought it was Hong Kong
Fooey. No. It's like a whoop. Doesn't he also
say... No, but that's Karate. Or Kung Fu, I mean.
So that's like a chop. Yeah, that's different
to what I'm whooping. It's so hot. Okay. Let's
start with the quick hits then. All right. Well,
when I say quick, I mean like a few minutes.
So the AFCON final happened this week. Like I
mentioned last week, I'm more or less checked
out of AFCON. I put it on in extra time. So I
missed all the controversy, which we're going
to go through just now. And that starts with
Senegal having a popular, not popular, people
thought a legitimate goal ruled out. Your thoughts?
I mean, Senegal's first goal was definitely a
legitimate goal. Because I think Hakimi first
tries to push the person who scored. No, no,
no, not the goal. The disallowed goal. uh in
the 80th minute which goal was that uh okay we're
just gonna pause the recording yeah so uh what
did you think of the disallowed goal for uh senegal
uh yeah um i thought it wasn't like it was a
fair goal i mean hakimi reaches his hands to
push first and then i guess the senegal The attacker
just raised his hands as well. Yeah, I thought
it was quite soft. Nothing really to talk about
there. Very soft. Next flashpoint is that Morocco
awarded a penalty. Yes. For a foul. Yes. I mean,
for a foul in the box on a corner kick, right?
Is it a penalty, do you think? I mean, yeah,
I would say it's a penalty overall for Morocco.
All right. So this is where, if you didn't watch
the Afghan final, Senegal's entire team walks
off the pitch. Yeah, so they stayed to protest.
And I think that was so unprofessional. I mean,
shout out to Sadio Mane for respecting the event,
bringing the team back out. But yeah, it was
completely unprofessional. And I hope it doesn't
get them banned from the next World Cup, but
knowing FIFA, it might. I... It shouldn't ban
you from a World Cup, but I just think that's
like... You know, let's say they got it wrong,
right? At the end of the day, referees, they're
also humans, right? You can make a mistake. to
walk off the pitch just shows such disrespect
to the the competition to like the referees it
was just i was just uh very frustrated with that
and i saw people applauding it online and i'm
like bro this is this you cannot award this type
of behavior you need to they they should uh you
know i don't know what you can do but uh it was
very frustrating to me i mean it was unprofessional
on the one on the one hand and at the same time
i don't think people should get carried away
with the needing to prove a point of like i don't
think it's something that happens commonly in
football and I don't think it's something where
you particularly have to set a precedent. It's
like a high -pressure moment. A lot of decisions
are going against them in the game. I mean, I
think it's just like something where the coach
has been reactionary and the players have just
followed suit. It doesn't make sense to ban the
team from playing. Again, especially for a player
like Sadio Mane, it might be his last World Cup.
Not that they should prioritize an individual,
but... again not everyone was involved people
just followed the instruction of the coach and
Sadio Mane was the only one who had the personality
big enough to challenge him so that's how I interpreted
it from the outside and I think while I can understand
like your argument of like oh it's completely
unprofessional which it is at the same time I
can like understand the idea of like oh okay
But imagine everybody, okay, there is like a
precedent where like if there was like a racist
incident that happened, I can't remember what
exactly, but the team walked off the pitch. That's
a reasonable thing in my opinion. Disagreeing
with the referee to walk off the pitch is not
on, in my opinion, right? But we can move on
from that. So from the resulting penalty. uh,
Brahim Diaz does a panenka and, uh, uh, it gets
saved. Um, your thoughts on that? Hmm. Well,
it's one, it's like, it's a stupid decision,
but in retrospect, uh, it's come off before and
if the player missed, he would have said it's
a stupid decision as well. Like, yeah, he fucked
up. Oh, sorry, sorry. There's a, A game where
Fabinho did that. And I was like, kind of, I
don't want to say furious, but I was like, even
though it worked out, that's such a dumb thing
to do. But if a player goes left or right and
they still miss, the keeper saves it, what's
the difference? Like, that's the argument that
a lot of people are making. The numbers. Yeah,
but I mean, Panekas are hardly missed. Probably,
like, what are the actual numbers if you looked
into it? Who misses a Panenka? When most of the
time it's tried, it's come off. I don't know.
We need to look into the stats for that because
I disagree. But yeah, overall, I just want to
say congratulations to Sadio Mane. There's another
Liverpool winger that I was told carried the
team. last year. He didn't need anybody else
on the team. It was him and 10 planks of wood,
right? The manager didn't have any tactics. It
was just him versus the world, right? And he
won the Premier League on his own. So, that's
fine, fine. I'm just wondering, why couldn't
this player win AFCON on their own? Sometimes
it happens. I'm just seeing, oh, Mane had, you
know, Ismail Assar. Illumin and DI, you know,
like other players to help out. And this other
Liverpool winger, I won't mention names. You
know, he has no help. And to which I say, isn't
that the argument you're making that he had no
help at Liverpool and he still won it? So this
guy is so good. I just don't see why he can't
win it on his own. And it looks like he's probably
going to retire without having won it. On the
one hand, that's a shame. On the other hand,
perhaps it's because he's not good enough. But,
yeah. Anyway. I mean, that's your opinion. Yeah.
Anyway, next game, Sunderland 2, Curse of Palace
1. Remember, this is quick hits. We just need
to... I didn't watch it, but I've been really
impressed with Sunderland this season, generally.
Like I said, I thought it was probably like one
of... Two games, the other one being against
you guys where I thought we got outplayed by
the opposition. I could have predicted this Palace
fall off a while ago because their squad is so
thin. It doesn't matter how good your starting
XI is. Like if you're playing games, especially
if you're in Europe like Palace is, you need
backups. And quality backups. And then they've
lost their two best players. Well, I guess they
lost Eze at the start of the season and now they've
lost Mark Weahy. Yes. So they were going to sell
us Weahy until Glasner intervened. How can you
sell Weahy without having a backup lined up or
a backup bought? You know, it's very strange.
It's poor planning. And I mean, it's the type
of planning that can get you caught into a relegation
battle in following seasons, if we're being honest.
And Glasner, so what do you think of this? Before
the game this weekend, he announced that he's
not signing a new contract. Again, I think in
the same way, if you're saying Senegal is unprofessional,
that's extremely unprofessional as well. Especially
from a pro -level coach. I mean, they're still
paying your salary. putting you in work. Those
are still the players you coach. So that's one
thing. Then he makes these comments that are
very negative about the Crystal Palace owners.
He's frustrated that he hasn't been getting new
recruits and players haven't been replaced. And
I agree with him to a certain extent. But on
the other hand, He hasn't given a chance to certain
players that were there, right? So, for example,
the two players that I've seen Palace fans say,
hey, why isn't this person getting a chance?
The first guy, his name is Cristianos Uche, who's
a striker. John -Philippe Mettecha has been played
into the ground. And Nketiah has been injured,
I believe. Yeah, I mean, but at the... Start
of the season, people were talking of Mateta
as one of the best strikers in the league. So,
yeah. The second guy, his name is Romain Essay.
He's currently out on loan now. He went out on
loan a few days ago. But it's because he wasn't
given a chance to play at all. So, I'm 50 % hey.
Palace didn't back. glasner at all i'm 50 i don't
want to say 50 i'm 20 like well glasner you're
not giving certain guys any chances you know
well i mean i think what glasner was always using
palace as a a building block to something bigger
and i think now that a lot of big jobs are available
he's trying to put himself out there or that
it's seeming like a lot of big jobs might be
available he's trying to put himself out there
but it's still unprofessional I'm not disagreeing
with you on that. I'm just saying that I think
that's his angle. He was always using Palace
as a stepping stone, and I don't think he was
ever planning on being there long term. Last
point in this discussion, or not the entire discussion,
I mean with this match, is Gwehi is leaving to
Man City. What do you think about that? Top player,
top coach. Yeah, I think a good signing for Man
City. Still, you know, they're the only team
that can do that, as I said. So it's like they're
replacing players with new signings as they get
injured. I'm not like... I am criticizing them
because, I mean, we don't know the logistics
of it all, but we'll see. I think it's a good
signing, though. Mokwe, obviously one of the
best defenders in the league. The only thing
I would say is that... So he was linked with
Liverpool and the like gay, not Gwehi, the gay
people in the fan base were against signing Gwehi
because, you know, you have the rainbow armband.
One day Gwehi wrote on it. He said, Jesus loves
you or something like that, which was like interpreted
as him being like anti -gay. So. a lot of not
a lot of but there's a portion of our fan base
who are like well we don't want him uh you know
at our club so i thought i should just mention
that uh but otherwise like you said top signing
for city um my only concern is that he plays
in a back three and i'm very suspect of when
a play in a back three goes to a back two i'm
not saying he's going to be bad i'm saying It
will take a while for him to adapt. I mean, we've
seen it with Euro at Man United. Then, next match,
Chelsea 2, Brentford 0. I didn't watch much of
this game. I watched bits and pieces. Well, all
of these games were happening at the same time
as the Liverpool game. So I just watched the
highlights and kind of looked at online discussion
to see what people are saying about it. And the
general consensus is that Brentford were the
better team. But they made a few silly mistakes.
Chelsea capitalised. Yeah, Chelsea capitalised
and they gifted them the win. I mean, I did want
to start watching more Chelsea games just to
see what Rossini is all about or at least reading
more about him. Time will tell, I guess. I did
watch a couple of Strasbourg games last season.
I don't know if he was manager then, but they
played very well. So, based on highlights, I
thought it was a fairly equal game. Right? I
just, you know, not much commentary on this.
Just Chelsea were more clinical, that's all.
Tottenham 1, West Ham 2. Damn. Frank is on his
way out, you think? Yeah. I mean, it's almost
as if they might be dragged into being a bottom
half team. They're like 14th now, I believe,
right? Yeah, no, I'm saying in the long term.
like it's seeming like it could start happening
long term that Tottenham's like first has to
rebuild and become a top half team again or not
just saying that as an Arsenal fan but I think
it's it's like there's so many issues that you
don't know what's going on and I feel like you
don't have players that are necessarily that
bad so what's going on in terms of I don't think
Pedro Porro, Christian Romero Van der Veen and
Udogi. I don't think they're Champions League
or Europa League level players, but they're not
14th place in the Premier League. You could put
them in many other clubs. You don't think they're
Champions League players? Some of them. I think
Van der Veen is a Champions League level player.
I would say Van der Veen especially. I'm saying
as a defence, a collective defence. The guy who
really lets them down is Vicario to me. Yeah,
he's not good at all. He just doesn't command...
Like respect, basically. And crosses, he's terrible
at dealing with crosses. Yeah, he doesn't give
confidence to the players. But yeah, Spurs, I
believe they're going to sack Frank soon. No
idea who they're going to bring in. The markets
are saying Xavi, Hernandez, not Xavi Simmons,
but a manager. If he would take the job, I mean.
So yeah, West Ham are going to survive. I hope
not. Jared Bowen, the best player outside of
the top six. Yeah. Okay, I hope West Ham don't
survive. Yeah, I don't have anything to say on
Jared Bowen. There's just hate in your heart.
That's all it is, bro. Be honest. No, I don't
hate Jared Bowen. You're a hater, dog. I've got
to think of all the clubs outside of the top
six. Is he the best player? He's a top, top player.
Okay, the top six is... He should have replaced
Salah. But whatever. Outside of the top six,
what about Bruno? Leeds won Fulham 0. I didn't
watch that game. I didn't even watch the highlights.
Leeds also not going down. Daniel Farker seems
to have learnt a lesson. You can't attack all
the time. You cannot attack all the time. His
Norwich team were naive. Leeds, I'm not basing
it on this game. I'm basing it on the past couple
of games that I've seen. They've been much more
pragmatic. They do know how to attack. They know
how to inject a bit of chaos into the game when
it needs to be. They can change the tempo up
on you like that. They have some good passes.
They have guys who take on a man. I like Leeds
a lot. I watched them against Chelsea. They were
very good. I watched them against us, and they
were good. And I think they played decently against
Man City as well, if I remember correctly. So,
yes. Fulham have been on a very good run, but,
you know, Leeds were better, I assume. I did
not watch this, so, yeah. That's all were...
All those games were on at the same time as the
Liverpool game, so I couldn't... Analyze them.
Yeah, I couldn't, like, you know, properly...
give them the time that they needed sunday rolls
around and the wolves and newcastle game is on
and i kind of have this as background uh yeah
i couldn't watch this game because you had work
no i was i was at a memorial service so yeah
oh okay okay okay uh Wolves versus Newcastle,
very boring game. Very similar pattern to what
we were speaking about in the earlier games with
Liverpool, with Arsenal. Newcastle just couldn't
break Wolves down. And Wolves weren't good enough
on the counter to score any goals. Do you think
this is the season where Bruno G finally leaves
Newcastle? Would you take him? Newcastle aren't
that team. You know, don't they have bigger ambitions?
So holding on to Bruno G would be the, like,
of utmost priority to them, don't you think?
But he can't force a move. Sure, but I mean,
I just don't see, he just seems happy there.
I just don't see him, that's one thing, but where
would he go? Like, he wouldn't be at City, would
he? He could play for you guys, that's why I'm
asking. He definitely doesn't get into Arsenal's
team. Damn. I'm saying, would you take him over...
Gravenberg? No. Wouldn't it allow you a more
creative... But he's more of an eight, right?
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I would say maybe
him over McAllister. But... He would just cost
too much. I would rather get some, like... unknown
from like i don't know gerona who will come in
and do a job or i don't know i've missed these
signings where we would just pluck somebody up
from some random place uh you buy them they come
in and they bang like i i never heard of andy
robertson we played hull twice that season i
never like never come up and didn't take a note
of we bought him for eight million and he's top
player salah You know, he was at Roma, quietly
does his thing, we buy him, he comes over. Like,
I miss these types of sightings. Buying Wurz
416, buying Isaac, it's just not us. But it seems
like you guys might be going down that road.
Could be. Anyway, the last game, Aston Villa
vs Everton. Well, it's not the last game, but
I'll get to that now. Same pattern. I assume
you didn't watch this. No, I did watch the last
10 minutes. But I did see the highlights. Exact
same pattern as these other games. Everton parked
the bus. Aston Villa couldn't break them down.
Tried their best to make it happen. Moyes is
a very talented... Bus Parker. Low block tactician.
Yes. One of the best. Moise and Dive. I like
them both. So, yeah, that's all I can say. The
last point I want to ask is predictions for the
Brighton vs. Bournemouth match, which is the
last game of this game week, but it's actually
being played two hours from now when we're recording.
Probably the two most unpredictable teams in
the league, honestly. I'm not just saying that,
but they can beat anyone and lose to anyone.
Yes. Who's at home? Brighton. I think so, yeah.
Probably, let me say 2 -2. Wow, I was also going
to say 2 -2. Yeah, it does seem like a 2 -2 game.
It does, honestly. So, yeah, any other thoughts
about the football this weekend? Do you have
any miscellaneous thoughts you want to bring
up? I mean, just, I thought, obviously, like,
a player, well, when I saw him play, they lost,
but he had a very good game in the last 10 minutes.
I think he's been flying a bit under the radar
this season, Uri Tielemans. I think he's probably
been one of the best midfielders in the league,
but he hasn't been brought into the conversation,
so... I was just really impressed by him again.
And I remember Arsenal wanted to sign him in
the past, so if we revisit that, I feel like
he's probably the player. He's a little bit old
now, right? Yeah, but I feel like... He's like
27, 29? I don't know. I feel like you could still
sign players of that age and they have a benefit,
you know. Let's see. He is... 28. He's going
to be 29 this year. Yeah, I mean, I would take
him. I don't, like... Would you take a 29 -year
-old top player in the past? Like, depending
what they can hit, what they can become. No,
bro. This is not sensible club management. Like,
you should be targeting people... But he's not
going to be expensive, and his wages are not
high either. You should be targeting 21 to 25.
play with potential they come in you improve
them in your team if they get sold you can get
a good feedback for them no but I don't think
Arsenal are in that position I think we have
a lot of players that fall in that category I
think we need more experience and I don't think
like at 29 could you tell what Luka Modric was
gonna become not that I'm putting him in that
bracket but At 29, could you tell what other
players... Like, there's many, many names. I
would argue you can... Not the quality, but you
can tell who has longevity because of how much
they rely on their physicality. But, I mean,
UD Telemans has controlled some big games. I've
seen his passing range. I don't think that's
something that can ever evade a player. So, like...
If he's playing alongside Zubomendia and Rice,
Yes, if you get two runners and let him dictate
play, you know, like maybe Pirlo. Yeah, Pirlo,
I mean, Xavi, played till he was 36. I mean,
he retired early, but he played consistently
at a high level. Yeah, because I'm talking about
things like these guys. Football is played in
the brain. And, you know, the feet are the instruments.
But I think Uri Tillmans is one of the most intelligent
players in the league. Yeah, I'm not disagreeing
with that. I'm just saying. that's how you can
tell a player is, uh, you know, going to do it
for the long term. Yeah. But, uh, anyway, we
just kind of, uh, yeah. I thought he had a good
game, even though we lost. Yeah. Any other thoughts
you want to say before we close up here? Um,
no, nothing really. Have a good day. Night. All
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