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And welcome to PD Football on  our maiden voyage.

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My name is Presh. My name is Darren. And how

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are you feeling today, man? I'm good, man. I'm

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good. Arsenal won. So, I guess in footballing

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terms, I wouldn't say they're as good as they

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can be. I would have liked to have kept a clean

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sheet, but thankfully it's not the league. So,

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what about you? How's everything on your end?

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kind of all over the place but we don't need

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to get to that well more like you attuned to

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my football club my football club is all over

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the place so certainly i'm all over the place

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uh but uh yeah so the agenda i've set for today

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is the first of all the caribou cup games uh

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and i want to start with newcastle versus manchester

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city newcastle man city what did you what did

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you make of it or Alright, well, before the match,

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I just thought that Newcastle could get a lot

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of joy out of the wings. Because Man City have

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been playing this incredibly narrow Christmas

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tree formation. They play three in the middle,

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two inside forwards and a striker. Yeah. Right,

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so they leave a lot of space. I mean, I guess

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the fullbacks then have a long distance to cover.

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Yes, that's true. Because they have to press

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the other fullback as opposed to the winger.

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And at least in the first half, this is where

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Newcastle found their space. I counted three

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times when Newcastle got in behind Nathan Ake

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and put in early crosses. But unfortunately,

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none of them produced a goal. Yeah, I do remember

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as well. I mean, Newcastle started really well,

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or at least it seemed like. I think the pressing

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structure, I think Nunes had too much ground

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to cover. And he looked lost for a lot of the

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maybe first 10 or 15 minutes. I think they kind

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of exploited Nunes. They looked to play, to build

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up on the left a lot. At least... Who are you

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saying? Man City. Oh, no. I'm sorry. Newcastle.

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Exploited Nunes. Sorry, my bad. Okay, yes. And

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I noticed that they did build up on the left

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a lot. And they looked to kind of release the

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ball quickly to the right as well. Once the space

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was created. But I think... Well, I disagree.

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I think the space came in from their right. uh

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cities left from cities left so nathan ak he

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was like a little bit forward and jacob murphy

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got in on behind on him three times in the first

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half yeah but uh i mean the the first phase of

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the build -up was usually on the left to create

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space for murphy i think because it was it was

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a lot of long balls going yeah yes but but i'm

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saying what i was looking at was that he ak got

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caught out three times he's the experienced player

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he shouldn't be because o'reilly was their left

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back right O 'Reilly played in midfield, yes,

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two nights ago when it was, right? He played

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at CDM. So I was like, okay, Nathan Ackie is

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going to give them a little bit more defensive

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stability. And he just didn't. And what saved

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them, I think, is two things. First is Johan

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Wisser just didn't have his shooting boots on.

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Yeah, that's true. He just wasn't at it, at least

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for the first half. Clems Trafford played decently,

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though, as well. And secondly, the defensive

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work of Max Allain. I've never heard of this

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chap before. Me neither. But he apparently is

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from the Youth Academy. He was on loan at Watford.

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I've read about him, yeah. They recalled him

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on his loan from Watford. So, again, I've never

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heard of him before, but he put in a good shift.

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He was very good at that, at getting back to

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defend. But more impressive is he's like going

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forward. He looked like John Stones. oh yeah

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he's one of your favourites yes I love John Stones

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bro and like they've just got a John Stones region

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just coming through just casually bro it's very

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it's not nice I mean it's nice for football I

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guess to have another John Stones but it's not

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nice if you're a City rival another thing I noticed

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is that City were playing out of Newcastle's

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press A possible reason for this is that three

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days earlier, Newcastle played 120 minutes in

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the FA Cup against Bournemouth. So they looked

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a little bit tired. They looked a bit... Like,

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their press didn't catch City out once, I don't

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think. Yeah, I think Newcastle went man -to -man.

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They generally always go man -to -man as well.

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I don't think they were very zonal at all. That

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usually plays into Man City's hands. I think

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Man City struggled against Arsenal a bit, at

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least recently. I think because we hardly go

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man -to -man. We're very zone -wide, except goal

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kicks. I think we go man -to -man on goal kicks.

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But I think once they turned it into a man -to

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-man battle, it also made the long ball an easier

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option for Man City. Because Haaland and Semenyo

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could dominate, I think, physically. It was like

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they were winning every duel, almost every second

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ball, from what I noticed. Especially once they

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kind of stopped, like you said, playing so narrow.

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And I guess they allowed Semenyo to press Newcastle's

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left back, Hall. Like, Lewis Hall. And I think

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once that happened, Lewis Hall's passing also

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became a lot more erratic. And Man City were

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able to force more errors. Well, it is something

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I noticed. We, okay, Slot has been trying to

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transition. Okay, I'm a local fan, I should say.

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Slot has been trying to transition us into a

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possession -based team, but we still press quite

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a bit. And I was, the only team that really turned

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us over this year was Man City. And they're very

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good at breaking a press on their own. But I

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just thought Newcastle's press wasn't at it either.

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So both those things in mind, City were just

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kind of just doing whatever the fuck they...

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well, excuse me, City were just doing whatever

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they wanted in midfield. So I was, you know,

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that's just not good enough from City, from Newcastle,

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excuse me. But again, like I said, they played

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in the FA Cup, so how much blame can we portion

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onto them? Or could we say that Eddie Howe should

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be more practical and realize that you can't

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press high every game? for 120 minutes. You've

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got to, you know, be more tactical and, like,

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be more possession -based in certain games so

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you can conserve that energy. Yeah, that would

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make sense for a team like Newcastle because

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with Man City, I guess, in a weird way, they're

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playing more like Liverpool in the past right

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now. Liverpool and City are just trying to copy

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each other. They're switching styles now. Almost

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like they're... We're both, like, midway through

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a transition into the other and we're both...

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like two ugly ducklings. We're just not looking

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at it. City look better than us, but yeah, I

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digress. I think they're still very flawed defensively.

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I think Man City really will rely this season

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a lot on outscoring their opponents by having

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to score three or four goals. I don't think they're

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going to keep many clean sheets in terms of over

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the whole season. I think this also was kind

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of evident in the way they kind of trained style,

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I guess. Because I think Pep did it mid -season.

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If you remember the game against Arsenal, he

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kind of sat back. And he parked the bus. He's

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never done that before. And I think he hated

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it. Although I would say in like the 90 -something

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minute, they all pushed up. And I'm like, that's

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a team that's never parked the bus in their lives

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before. They looked confused. So naive. But they

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did it well for most of the game. And I mean,

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the one time they pressed up, we caught them

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out. Yes. All right. Sorry. Back to the game.

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In terms of City's threat, at least in the first

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half. Doku was beating Lewis Smiley, who was

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playing as a makeshift right back, because they

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don't have Levermento. I'm not exactly sure what

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happened to him, if he suspended or injured or

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whatever, but he wasn't playing. Yeah. So, yeah.

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And even though he was just beating him, he wasn't

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delivering any good service from these situations,

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which is very frustrating. If I'm a City fan,

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I'll look at Doku and I'm like, what the fuck

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is going on here? I mean, I guess that's always

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been the... The question to his game is the technical

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security when it comes to the final third. He's

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probably one of the, if not the best dribbler

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in the Premier League right now, but often his

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output is still way below other players who would

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have that ability. I actually went in to do some

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research and I found out that he has one goal

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and four assists in 18 games a season. goal involvements

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in 18 games so once every three and a half games

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he you know contributes this is only for the

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premier league there's not overall competitions

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i should mention right so basically that's not

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good enough for a team of cities ambition one

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goal or one involvement every cup every three

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and a half games right but then i checked his

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expected stats and which is the underlying stats

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that are punning his performances uh i just want

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to go through them quickly if that's uh all right

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before we go back to doku so do you know what

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expected goals is yeah i'm aware of x3 okay so

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i just want to educate our listeners uh just

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to make sure everyone's on the same page right

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expected goals i often see it being used incorrectly

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if say doku has generated two expected goals

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that doesn't mean he should have scored two goals

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that means an average player given that situation

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or given those situations would score two goals

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if doku scores zero goals that means he's underperforming

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uh or he's a uh what would the the word be he's

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a below average finisher but say he scores four

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goals from two expected goals he's an above average

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finisher right but and i should say and xg should

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not be used over one game xg should be judged

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over a number of games preferably even seasons

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yeah to see like is this player a chronic underperformer

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are they do they sometimes underperform sometimes

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overperform is the you know what is the the long

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-term data saying about this player right so

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when i first came into uh contact with the stat

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expected goals or expected uh you know there's

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assists there's goal involvements whatever whatever

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right the advanced stats the person i the example

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that stuck with me was lionel messi he was outscoring

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his goals these are only goals right i was talking

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about goal involvements for doku this is only

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goals for messi right messi outscored his goals

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by five to ten every season right which indicates

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he's an elite player because he outscores by

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a huge margin what the average player would do.

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Lewandowski, another one. He always finishes

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much higher than what his expected goals are

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because he's an elite finisher. Yeah, I mean,

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in the Premier League, someone who was in a similar

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situation was Son. I remember during his time

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at Tottenham, he outperformed his expected goals.

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Yes, because he's an elite finisher. Yeah. Right?

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So, okay, bringing this back to Doku. This season,

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he has generated nine expected goal involvements.

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This is goals plus assists, expected goals plus

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assists. And he's actually returned four. So

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he's underperforming goal involvements by five,

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which tells me that's a poor player. But again,

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we should judge this over many seasons. And in

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his first season, he underperformed by one goal

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involvement. His second season, he overperformed

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by one goal involvement. This season, he's underperforming

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by five. So that tells me he's just below average.

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The rest of the season, things will equal out,

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and he'll probably end up like one or two within

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his expected goals. So why did I mention this?

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I just don't rate Doku. And I wanted to use some

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stats just to justify why I don't like him. And

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following on from him not putting in quality

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service into the box, I just think Haaland looked

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frustrated for a lot of the game, right? And

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when he dropped deep to link up play, to, you

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know, actually get on the ball and, you know,

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do some stuff, he was poor. And after the game,

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Pep said, quote, hopefully Mahmoud returns soon

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to give Haaland a rest because Haaland is exhausted.

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So, you know, clearly Pep is saying that his...

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Poor form is due to exhaustion. Or do you think

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his fundamentals aren't that great? Well, I don't

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know with Haaland. Because I previously thought

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maybe his fundamentals aren't good. But not to

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drift off the Premier League. But he kind of

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single -handedly got Norway to the World Cup.

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And that I think... All the stats I've seen and

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the metrics, the games I've watched and the highlights,

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it is a crazy achievement. And I think you can't

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do that off of just being a player that relies

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on your teammates. Yeah, but, okay, you mentioned

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goals and contribution. I'm saying link -up play.

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Yeah, specifically, too, is link -up play. I

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think he keeps getting better at everything.

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Like, I would say he is now one of the best strikers

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in the Premier League at link -up play as well.

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I wouldn't say you could necessarily drop him

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in that regard. The amount of chances he creates

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and the amount of assists he gets is still above

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most number nines, probably in Europe generally.

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I agree with his output, but I'm just saying

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I haven't been convinced with his interplay,

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especially in the big games when he's required

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more time in the ball. I don't think it matches

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his output, but I think it's still above average

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where... it doesn't make sense to drop him or

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play him in a different position. That would

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just be what I would think, personally. Because

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I think he's still probably the best player in

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the league in terms of, if you have him in your

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team, you have the highest chance of winning.

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For me, personally. Alright. So anyway, those

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are my thoughts in the first half. Because at

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halftime, I left my cousin's house to go home.

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But I stopped to get some food as well, and I

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missed a large portion of the second half. Oh,

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that's why you asked me, did I watch the second

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half? I thought you were working, bro. My remaining

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thoughts are purely based on highlights now.

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I can't tell you about the patterns of play that

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happened in the second half or anything like

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that. All I can say is that early on in the second

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half, Doku beats Miley and puts in a cross. The

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cross is deflected, and Semenu has a tap. But

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based off of what you're saying about Doku, I

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know you don't rate Salah as well, but in terms

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of... Salah's probably had two of the greatest

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Premier League seasons of all time now. Do you

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think Doku could potentially have seasons that

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still win Man City things? Is it worth it to

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keep him? Like, we've had players that have underperformed

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these metrics before but have gone on to overperform

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them at a later stage in their careers. Because

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I still see him... You could use him either way.

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if he's willing to be an impact player i wouldn't

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i wouldn't get rid of him necessarily so i wouldn't

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say i don't rate him but i don't rate him necessarily

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as one of the best players in the league but

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i think as an impact player he could be one of

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the best impact players because he has the ability

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to shift the momentum of games like just through

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what he does with the ball I think it's an unfair

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comparison with Salah because Salah is more of

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a finisher. Doku is more of a creator. Yeah,

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but he could even peak in creativity. I'm just

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saying he could be a late bloomer in essence

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more than I'm saying it's necessarily specific

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to possession. But he has a lot of the fundamentals

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to be a good creative player in my mind or one

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of the top players. If his final pass, like you

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said, was good, if just like... Salah was always

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getting in positions to score. It was clear that

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if he became an elite finisher, he would score

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and assist a high number of goals. So I'm saying

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you don't see that Doku could get a high number

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of assists if he eventually gets the final pass

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right? No. Because I don't think he will get

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the final pass right. The reason being, the one

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thing I don't think you can coach is good decision

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making. It just boils down to the player themselves.

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And that also comes with experience. But you

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could put them in a system that limits their

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decision -making. You could. I agree with that.

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But if he's a creative player, you want him to

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kind of just do what you want him to do. That's

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not always what Pep wants. That's true. I understand

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that. But I'm saying, Doku, his decision -making

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is so poor, I don't know what could make him...

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You would think an elite coach like Pep would...

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fine -tuned you know his uh good points and you

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know iron out the bad points you would turn him

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into like a sterling or uh even a sani i understand

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they physically they're different but uh you

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know i'm talking about output right i just doku

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he's had his chance it's been three years now

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and i just don't think uh now what we talk about

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with salah i think Okay, I don't want to slam

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Salah in the first episode too badly because

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Liverpool fans love him. I love him. His output

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justifies a lot of the nonsense that he does.

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For example, not tracking back enough. people

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online will pick like one moment out where he

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tracked back once and be like, oh, there you

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have it. Oh, look at you. You thought he doesn't

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track back, do you? Look at this. And I'm like,

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oh, wow, you caught me. Don't I look like a fool?

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But the fact of the matter is he doesn't do enough

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defensive work. He doesn't beat his men regularly.

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But none of that comes down to decision making.

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That's just his... I don't think his body can...

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beat a man anymore I don't think he has the pace

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for it that's one thing so Salah and Doku are

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very different players I just don't think that's

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a fair comparison and it comes down to decision

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making which is not something I can't quantify

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or say oh Salah is a 9 out of 10 decision making

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Doku has a 5 out of 10 you know it's like you

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see it when you see it you know it you know what

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I'm saying yeah I mean I'm just I think he could

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be like It could be a fair comparison in the

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sense of I think he could become a very effective

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player if Pep Guardiola plays the way he wants

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to play or the way he has played historically.

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And I think he probably signed Doku in that context.

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And I think since he's working with Pep Llanders,

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his philosophy has evolved. So, well, whether

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it's evolved or devolved, that's up to your personal

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interpretation of it. But I do think he should

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be, like, I think he can be, me personally, a

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top player if his decision -making is limited.

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Everyone feels that, bro. That's the popular

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consensus around Doku. I just don't think that's

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ever going to happen. But we're getting too bogged

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down in this. The next thing is that there was

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a goal disallowed by VAR, a goal by Sabeno. Yeah,

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that was a ridiculous decision. How so? I mean,

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was Haaland interfering with play? Does it have

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to delay for five minutes? I don't think so.

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So the commentator on the highlights that I was

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watching said VAR is ruining the game or something

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like that. I don't think it's ruining the game.

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No, I mean, not the game as in football, the

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game as in that particular game. Because it took

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so long to come to a decision. It was such a

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marginal call. It was very subjective. But the

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rules are the rules, right? He was standing in

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an offside position, or at least his leg was

00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:20.759
offside. But did he affect play, though? He stopped

00:21:20.759 --> 00:21:24.880
the person from diving to, you know, the person,

00:21:24.980 --> 00:21:27.680
the defender was in a position to perhaps dive

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and stop the ball. Maybe. But he was in the way.

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We're going to say maybe, but... Okay, yeah.

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Corey, carry on. No, I just... I think it was

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like... Like, it's a weird decision to scrutinize.

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That's just my thing, because it's not like...

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Well, every decision should be scrutinized. You

00:21:46.099 --> 00:21:48.160
know, this is top -level football. Yeah, but

00:21:48.160 --> 00:21:50.359
then they should, like, do, like, how many times

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has that probably not been noticed and won't

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be noticed? Let's put a pin in that. I'll come

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back to that. Because I think, like, it's hard

00:22:00.960 --> 00:22:02.819
to say whether he was affecting play or not,

00:22:02.880 --> 00:22:05.039
but if it was... But it's subjective, right?

00:22:05.119 --> 00:22:08.099
And if the referee feels that way, then... Yeah,

00:22:08.180 --> 00:22:09.940
that's the referee's opinion, but I don't...

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But the referee is following guidelines to get

00:22:12.500 --> 00:22:15.140
to that decision. So I just don't get it. The

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Premier League referees follow their own guidelines.

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Okay, but I'm just saying, I just don't get it.

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It's the rules. The referee is well and within

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his rights to give that decision. You may dislike

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it, but it is what it is. Yeah, it is what it

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is, but I think that if it was a more important

00:22:32.559 --> 00:22:37.059
game... If, like, if... The referee came out

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and apologized the next game, you know, in the

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media and said, you know, I got it massively

00:22:40.839 --> 00:22:42.539
wrong or something. That's the only time I'll

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ever be like, oh. I don't always agree with the

00:22:47.380 --> 00:22:51.980
referees or trust what they're saying. So, you

00:22:51.980 --> 00:22:54.599
know, I'm an Arsenal fan, so you know Wenger's

00:22:54.599 --> 00:22:58.680
history with referees and I share Guardiola's

00:22:58.680 --> 00:23:02.359
fury if I was a Man City fan. What is Guardiola's

00:23:02.359 --> 00:23:06.160
theory? No, he's Fury. So he was angry. He was

00:23:06.160 --> 00:23:08.859
very angry at the referee. Sorry, sorry. I'm

00:23:08.859 --> 00:23:11.480
assert. Okay, the last thing I want to say is

00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:14.319
Cherki had some excellent interplay with Ait

00:23:14.319 --> 00:23:16.519
Nouri for their second goal. Once again, the

00:23:16.519 --> 00:23:19.299
space was on Newcastle's right -hand side. Lewis

00:23:19.299 --> 00:23:22.539
Miley got done and City exploited it. So what

00:23:22.539 --> 00:23:26.200
do you think of Cherki? Fucking ex... Excuse

00:23:26.200 --> 00:23:31.099
me. Excellent player. But then... Okay, wouldn't

00:23:31.099 --> 00:23:33.400
he be like a technically creative version of

00:23:33.400 --> 00:23:35.759
Salah? Because how long will you take his defensive

00:23:35.759 --> 00:23:38.859
output? Because I did watch a lot of him at Lyon.

00:23:39.359 --> 00:23:42.039
And even if he works a little bit defensively

00:23:42.039 --> 00:23:44.980
now, he's not going to do it for very long. And

00:23:44.980 --> 00:23:47.920
I don't think he's going to be a player. I think

00:23:47.920 --> 00:23:50.140
he's going to be a player that just wants to

00:23:50.140 --> 00:23:56.319
do his own thing and attack. I don't know, do

00:23:56.319 --> 00:23:59.920
you want me to be a hypocrite right now? Because

00:23:59.920 --> 00:24:02.180
sometimes if a player is just at the peak of

00:24:02.180 --> 00:24:06.400
their power doing a madness, they shouldn't be

00:24:06.400 --> 00:24:08.660
burdened with so much defensive responsibilities.

00:24:09.779 --> 00:24:13.619
But playing at 10, or like an inside 10 where

00:24:13.619 --> 00:24:16.420
Chucky is and a winger where Salah is, is also,

00:24:16.579 --> 00:24:19.359
you know, the places on the pitch are different

00:24:19.359 --> 00:24:22.319
and require different responsibility. The midfield

00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:25.400
is already kind of packed, so... you know a 10

00:24:25.400 --> 00:24:28.420
a creative 10 doesn't have to do that much work

00:24:28.420 --> 00:24:31.160
in midfield whereas a winger has to there has

00:24:31.160 --> 00:24:34.380
a much bigger space to cover you know what i'm

00:24:34.380 --> 00:24:39.660
saying so turkey by nature of the players has

00:24:39.660 --> 00:24:42.640
less defensive responsibilities so he can focus

00:24:42.640 --> 00:24:46.279
more on creating where salah has the type of

00:24:46.279 --> 00:24:51.710
player he that love will need him to be he isn't

00:24:51.710 --> 00:24:54.390
doing and his output is not justifying not doing

00:24:54.390 --> 00:24:59.049
those fundamentals but this i mean a lot a lot

00:24:59.049 --> 00:25:04.029
of i guess his future would be dependent on how

00:25:04.029 --> 00:25:06.809
pep wants to play if he's at man city and if

00:25:06.809 --> 00:25:09.710
it still is pep wait who are we talking about

00:25:09.710 --> 00:25:12.730
uh shirky oh yes okay sorry excuse me i thought

00:25:12.730 --> 00:25:15.829
we were talking about no with shirky i think

00:25:15.829 --> 00:25:19.750
a lot of his future would depend because if My

00:25:19.750 --> 00:25:22.589
assumption is, and we'll speak about the managerial

00:25:22.589 --> 00:25:24.829
merry -go -round later, but my assumption is

00:25:24.829 --> 00:25:28.309
that if Pep Guardiola stays at Manchester City,

00:25:28.509 --> 00:25:32.130
he's going to want to go back to playing the

00:25:32.130 --> 00:25:38.349
way he always plays. And I don't think he would

00:25:38.349 --> 00:25:40.730
accept that out of any player. Even if you look

00:25:40.730 --> 00:25:43.269
at Arsenal now, who are very influenced by Guardiola,

00:25:43.309 --> 00:25:47.900
at least in terms of how we press. Odegaard leads

00:25:47.900 --> 00:25:50.240
the press a lot of the time, which is why I told

00:25:50.240 --> 00:25:54.000
you in our personal discussions, it would be

00:25:54.000 --> 00:25:55.900
hard for me to replace him with a player with

00:25:55.900 --> 00:25:59.440
great output because I've seen Ozil and Aubameyang

00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:03.579
in that system and it drops off quite a lot when

00:26:03.579 --> 00:26:07.140
the work rate drops off. And I think that's the

00:26:07.140 --> 00:26:08.920
way Pep wants to play. That's the way a lot of

00:26:08.920 --> 00:26:11.779
Spanish coaches generally want to play. I think

00:26:11.779 --> 00:26:17.009
most people with a brain... would take the player,

00:26:17.089 --> 00:26:18.910
all things being equal, the player that works

00:26:18.910 --> 00:26:22.609
harder, right? Nobody's ever going to choose

00:26:22.609 --> 00:26:25.609
the lazier player. Even though the lazier player

00:26:25.609 --> 00:26:29.130
might be more talented, it's always about work.

00:26:29.450 --> 00:26:31.450
Like, that's why Conor Gallagher has a career.

00:26:31.650 --> 00:26:34.910
That's why Mason Mount has a career. A lot of

00:26:34.910 --> 00:26:38.789
these guys, Jordan Henderson, fraud. Absolute

00:26:38.789 --> 00:26:42.750
fraud. Frauded for 12 years in our team. And,

00:26:42.750 --> 00:26:45.950
yeah. That's how you get a career, by working

00:26:45.950 --> 00:26:48.769
hard, bro. I don't know why we were talking about

00:26:48.769 --> 00:26:52.549
that. Oh, no, we were just talking about you

00:26:52.549 --> 00:26:55.930
being a hypocrite with Cherki and Salah. Yes.

00:26:56.210 --> 00:26:59.390
Cherki, by virtue of his position, requires less

00:26:59.390 --> 00:27:02.910
defensive work, and I think the output that he's

00:27:02.910 --> 00:27:08.369
doing right now is not close to the output Salah

00:27:08.369 --> 00:27:12.130
was doing last year. Are you being serious right

00:27:12.130 --> 00:27:15.359
now? No. Cherki has eight assists. Yeah, and

00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:17.359
how many... That's fucked. I mean, that's crazy.

00:27:17.680 --> 00:27:19.700
But it's halfway through the season. How many

00:27:19.700 --> 00:27:20.779
did Salah have last year? But he's been injured

00:27:20.779 --> 00:27:24.759
for most of it. He missed like 8 games. But I

00:27:24.759 --> 00:27:28.140
mean, we've seen... 8 assists in like 10 games

00:27:28.140 --> 00:27:31.539
is... I mean, no, in like 12 games. That's pretty

00:27:31.539 --> 00:27:34.599
crazy. It is pretty crazy, but it's not like...

00:27:34.599 --> 00:27:37.460
It's not like ridiculous numbers. Didn't Salah

00:27:37.460 --> 00:27:40.859
get more assists last season? In less games?

00:27:43.889 --> 00:27:47.029
Again, it's such an unfair comparison. The expectation

00:27:47.029 --> 00:27:50.670
of Salah as our quote -unquote franchise player,

00:27:50.789 --> 00:27:54.190
to borrow a term from NBA, and Turkey was just

00:27:54.190 --> 00:27:57.049
a new signing, and the output that each of them

00:27:57.049 --> 00:27:59.049
are doing... No, I'm saying you're saying Turkey's

00:27:59.049 --> 00:28:02.269
quality equates to him being able to be carried

00:28:02.269 --> 00:28:04.589
by the team. But I think you can only have...

00:28:04.589 --> 00:28:06.710
Okay, let's take Turkey out of it, right? Let's

00:28:06.710 --> 00:28:10.190
look at Liverpool. Wurz has less defensive responsibilities

00:28:10.190 --> 00:28:13.990
than Salah, right? Yeah. And I think that should

00:28:13.990 --> 00:28:17.089
be the case because he should be focused on chance

00:28:17.089 --> 00:28:20.549
creation, breaking the line, you know, creating.

00:28:20.990 --> 00:28:24.890
Yeah. So use Wurz as an example, not Chucky,

00:28:24.970 --> 00:28:28.549
because that's a... In terms of historically,

00:28:28.769 --> 00:28:31.789
though, I'm talking about, I think, Salah's output

00:28:31.789 --> 00:28:36.869
and just his ability to score goals. is worth

00:28:36.869 --> 00:28:39.309
the team carrying him if you can have one player.

00:28:39.470 --> 00:28:41.450
His output is not justifying it at the moment.

00:28:41.549 --> 00:28:43.269
So I'm sick of this. Anyway, we'll get back to

00:28:43.269 --> 00:28:45.470
it. You've always thought he was a fraud. What

00:28:45.470 --> 00:28:46.829
are the predictions for the second leg of this

00:28:46.829 --> 00:28:50.009
tie? Newcastle versus Man City. I think Arsenal

00:28:50.009 --> 00:28:53.230
and Man City get through. No, just this particular

00:28:53.230 --> 00:28:57.190
tie. I think it depends. If Man City play a full

00:28:57.190 --> 00:28:59.349
team, I think they get another comfortable victory.

00:28:59.910 --> 00:29:05.150
Yes. Newcastle's record at the Etihad is awful.

00:29:05.630 --> 00:29:11.769
And they look tired. A second leg doesn't suit

00:29:11.769 --> 00:29:15.009
either team. I think of any of the four remaining

00:29:15.009 --> 00:29:21.509
Caribou contestants. I hate the second leg. I

00:29:21.509 --> 00:29:23.769
mean, if they cancelled extra time, why couldn't

00:29:23.769 --> 00:29:28.089
they cancel the second legs? I don't know. I'm

00:29:28.089 --> 00:29:32.210
not the person in charge. But yes, it doesn't

00:29:32.210 --> 00:29:35.400
look good for Newcastle. They did have some good

00:29:35.400 --> 00:29:38.400
situations in the game if, you know, Wisser had

00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:41.779
his shooting boots on. And I have to say, Wisser

00:29:41.779 --> 00:29:44.039
has only been six games, but he hasn't, you know,

00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:49.619
lit the world on fire. The point of buying Wisser

00:29:49.619 --> 00:29:51.480
was that he's a Premier League proven player.

00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:54.180
He can just plug and play. He'll come in and

00:29:54.180 --> 00:29:57.119
do the job to a slighter less extent than what

00:29:57.119 --> 00:29:59.599
Isaac did. He would just come in and do the exact

00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:02.779
same job. And he has not done that at all. I

00:30:02.779 --> 00:30:05.240
mean, Isaac was very good at Newcastle, so a

00:30:05.240 --> 00:30:08.220
slightly less extent would still be... Like,

00:30:08.220 --> 00:30:11.279
say Isaac was like a 9 out of 10 player at Newcastle.

00:30:11.339 --> 00:30:13.000
Are you saying that you would have expected what

00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:16.519
Voldemort is doing out of Weser as well? I would

00:30:16.519 --> 00:30:18.859
have... No, I would have expected Weser to be

00:30:18.859 --> 00:30:22.660
like a 7 or 8 out of 10. But he hasn't... I haven't

00:30:22.660 --> 00:30:24.519
watched much of Newcastle this season. Because,

00:30:24.519 --> 00:30:27.900
like I said, he's been injured, so he only started

00:30:27.900 --> 00:30:33.420
six games now. Yeah. And... Yeah, so Wissa, if

00:30:33.420 --> 00:30:35.720
you can get it together, I hope you nail Sati

00:30:35.720 --> 00:30:38.799
to the fucking window. All right, let's go on

00:30:38.799 --> 00:30:41.119
to our next segment, Chelsea versus Arsenal.

00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:44.920
So in terms of Chelsea, I had no idea what to

00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:47.299
expect. I'd never heard of their new coach, Liam

00:30:47.299 --> 00:30:50.420
Rossignol, and how he likes to set up a team.

00:30:53.460 --> 00:30:55.539
The first thing I learned is that he likes to

00:30:55.539 --> 00:30:58.569
play out from the back. because Arsenal's press

00:30:58.569 --> 00:31:01.009
nearly caught them out a few times, yet he persisted

00:31:01.009 --> 00:31:05.230
with playing out from the back. The other thing

00:31:05.230 --> 00:31:07.509
is that they were missing Rhys James, Caicedo

00:31:07.509 --> 00:31:10.269
and Palmer, which you could comfortably say are

00:31:10.269 --> 00:31:12.109
three of their best players. Probably their three

00:31:12.109 --> 00:31:16.390
best players, but I mean, if you spent £2 billion...

00:31:16.390 --> 00:31:19.490
No, I'm not making excuses. I'm just, you know,

00:31:19.529 --> 00:31:21.950
giving context for the game. Yeah, no, I'm not

00:31:21.950 --> 00:31:24.569
making excuses either. I'm just saying it's...

00:31:25.710 --> 00:31:28.809
It requires a level of empathy, but they should

00:31:28.809 --> 00:31:33.569
have a lot of options at that value of squad

00:31:33.569 --> 00:31:37.109
assembly. Andre Santos was a capable replacement

00:31:37.109 --> 00:31:39.769
for Coseiro. I'm not going to say he's as good

00:31:39.769 --> 00:31:44.190
or better, but he's capable. Who else played?

00:31:44.549 --> 00:31:47.750
Jao Pedro played in the 10. Who played in the

00:31:47.750 --> 00:31:50.869
10? Because De Lappe started up front, right?

00:31:51.089 --> 00:31:54.150
Let me double check. Yeah, De Lappe and Raul

00:31:54.150 --> 00:32:04.869
Pedro. Yeah, so Pedro was in the 10. Yeah. So

00:32:04.869 --> 00:32:07.710
I'm looking at it now. Gueye. Gueye started up

00:32:07.710 --> 00:32:13.170
front. Pedro in the 10. So... Pedro is a reasonable

00:32:13.170 --> 00:32:17.289
replacement for Palmer. And Action Pong is the

00:32:17.289 --> 00:32:20.150
restrained replacement. I've never seen Action

00:32:20.150 --> 00:32:23.539
Pong play. And I love... Esteval is one of my

00:32:23.539 --> 00:32:25.240
favourite players. Well, I watched him a lot

00:32:25.240 --> 00:32:28.680
in Brazil. I watched the Brazilian league more.

00:32:29.059 --> 00:32:31.539
Not more than the Premier League, but enough

00:32:31.539 --> 00:32:33.819
to say that he was probably my favourite player

00:32:33.819 --> 00:32:37.940
there. He was good yesterday. He was the player

00:32:37.940 --> 00:32:41.279
who scared me the most as an Arsenal fan. I think

00:32:41.279 --> 00:32:45.319
he gave Timba a hard time, but Timba also exploited

00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:50.460
his inexperience a lot going the other way. So,

00:32:50.460 --> 00:32:52.700
from Arsenal's side, they more or less had a

00:32:52.700 --> 00:32:55.039
full -strength team. You'd obviously say Raya

00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:57.759
instead of Kepa, and you'd maybe say Calafiori

00:32:57.759 --> 00:33:00.859
instead of Ben White, and then swap. And Havertz

00:33:00.859 --> 00:33:05.380
instead of Jokiris. That's your opinion. I think

00:33:05.380 --> 00:33:07.940
that would be full -strength, though. Okay, okay.

00:33:08.220 --> 00:33:11.000
But I think the general opinion is that Jokiris

00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:14.279
starts ahead of Havertz. Is that the general

00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:17.920
opinion? I think so, but... You know, you more

00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:19.740
tapped into the Arsenal fanbase, I would think,

00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:22.460
right? Yeah, I would think most people were waiting

00:33:22.460 --> 00:33:24.160
for Havertz. They've never been available at

00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:30.279
the same time. Okay. So, yeah, I initially thought

00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:32.519
for the first goal, I thought Sanchez was at

00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:35.740
fault for it. He, like, just totally messed up

00:33:35.740 --> 00:33:37.960
his lines. But I've re -watched it a few times

00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:41.599
now, you know, in highlights. And Trossard is

00:33:41.599 --> 00:33:44.019
stopping him from going for it. Trossard is right

00:33:44.019 --> 00:33:46.569
up on him. And it stops him from jumping to...

00:33:46.569 --> 00:33:51.150
To clever tactic. Clever tactic. It is. All right.

00:33:51.390 --> 00:33:54.569
All right. But I would... He didn't move, did

00:33:54.569 --> 00:33:57.309
he? He held his position. Sanchez should have

00:33:57.309 --> 00:34:01.369
done something to get out of the way. To get

00:34:01.369 --> 00:34:03.410
to the ball sooner. We were speaking about something

00:34:03.410 --> 00:34:07.279
in the other match. You said... I'm also a hypocrite.

00:34:08.659 --> 00:34:14.059
I don't know what it is. I was saying about VAR.

00:34:15.019 --> 00:34:17.519
VAR should have intervened for the first goal,

00:34:17.579 --> 00:34:21.159
I feel. I really felt that way. But yeah, it

00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:24.920
was a good delivery from Rice. And then the rest

00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:27.340
of the first half just pretty much goes out without

00:34:27.340 --> 00:34:31.510
any fuss. It was very quiet. Just no good interplay

00:34:31.510 --> 00:34:34.050
between the players, you know, to get forward.

00:34:34.409 --> 00:34:37.690
No, like, real precision in attack. It was just

00:34:37.690 --> 00:34:40.190
kind of the ball getting lost in midfield with

00:34:40.190 --> 00:34:46.349
both teams. There weren't any final product.

00:34:46.530 --> 00:34:48.949
You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I mean, I thought

00:34:48.949 --> 00:34:51.469
Saka created a lot of space. He created a lot

00:34:51.469 --> 00:34:54.579
of chances. In the first half. And Ben White

00:34:54.579 --> 00:34:56.900
as well. Not necessarily in the first half. I'm

00:34:56.900 --> 00:34:57.960
only speaking about the first half. But I thought

00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:00.860
Tucker created a lot of opportunities where players

00:35:00.860 --> 00:35:02.659
didn't read him. They weren't on his wavelength.

00:35:02.940 --> 00:35:06.579
He made a lot of spaces. A lot of passes as well

00:35:06.579 --> 00:35:11.639
that didn't kind of get to anyone. I felt he

00:35:11.639 --> 00:35:16.019
was threatening. Yeah, so at halftime... Okay,

00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:19.579
spoiler alert. Not spoiler alert. twist I was

00:35:19.579 --> 00:35:23.340
at your house this whole time to watch this game

00:35:23.340 --> 00:35:26.059
and I left at half time of the Chelsea Arsenal

00:35:26.059 --> 00:35:28.920
game and when I got home I was just so tired

00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:33.239
I went to bed so you're going to have to leave

00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:35.079
the discussion on the rest of this Chelsea vs

00:35:35.079 --> 00:35:38.179
Arsenal game I think in the like well Arsenal

00:35:38.179 --> 00:35:40.760
did kind of dominate the first half as chaotic

00:35:40.760 --> 00:35:43.260
as it was I don't think Chelsea created really

00:35:43.260 --> 00:35:47.679
anything In the second half, I think they started

00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:50.460
to dominate possession a bit. They started to

00:35:50.460 --> 00:35:56.019
pass the ball around quite well. I think Enzo

00:35:56.019 --> 00:35:58.800
Fernandes was really good in some phases of play,

00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:01.380
like some of his passing, his diagonals, his

00:36:01.380 --> 00:36:04.360
line -breaking passes were also really good.

00:36:04.500 --> 00:36:07.079
And I think Estevao was really, really good for

00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:09.639
10 or 15 minutes where we couldn't control him.

00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:14.989
But I think overall, Saliba was so good. that

00:36:14.989 --> 00:36:19.110
uh like unless it was like moments of individual

00:36:19.110 --> 00:36:21.170
brilliance our own errors they didn't really

00:36:21.170 --> 00:36:23.969
create anything i think both of their goals came

00:36:23.969 --> 00:36:26.730
off of errors by us giving the ball directly

00:36:26.730 --> 00:36:32.389
to them i think uh the first goal i can't remember

00:36:32.389 --> 00:36:36.670
who it was i think it was uh zuba mendy i'm not

00:36:36.670 --> 00:36:40.389
100 sure he makes like a shitty clearance that

00:36:40.389 --> 00:36:44.300
lands at uh Sorry about that. Sorry about that.

00:36:44.619 --> 00:36:50.199
It makes a bad clearance that ends at the feet

00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:52.539
of Enzo Fernandes and I think the attack starts.

00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:57.239
Someone passes it to Enzo Fernandes but yeah,

00:36:57.420 --> 00:37:00.639
then after that the ball kind of ends up at Garnaccio

00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:03.199
and it was a good finish but it came off our

00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:08.000
error. And the second goal also, I think it was

00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:12.239
Timber. Headed the ball, a bad -headed clearance

00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:16.820
over corner, and a good finish again. But I think

00:37:16.820 --> 00:37:20.559
our central defensive partnership and Rice are

00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:23.980
so good defensively. It's like your guys' front

00:37:23.980 --> 00:37:29.159
three in a defensive context seasons ago. I struggle

00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:32.239
to see many teams breaking us down, unless maybe

00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:36.659
they have a De Bruyne in the past. What do you

00:37:36.659 --> 00:37:39.889
mean, break you down? Like, in terms of create

00:37:39.889 --> 00:37:42.590
more chances than us in a game. I don't think

00:37:42.590 --> 00:37:46.210
a team has had better XG than us this season,

00:37:46.250 --> 00:37:48.750
except Man United in the first game, which was,

00:37:48.869 --> 00:37:51.730
I think we were just terrible that game. But

00:37:51.730 --> 00:37:54.289
I think there was one other game, maybe Brighton,

00:37:54.309 --> 00:37:56.829
the 2 -2 draw, where they created more XG than

00:37:56.829 --> 00:38:00.510
us. But we just had this discussion about XG,

00:38:00.530 --> 00:38:04.230
that it's not about should, right? Say, if Arsenal

00:38:04.230 --> 00:38:07.860
out... perform in xg the other team in it that

00:38:07.860 --> 00:38:09.940
doesn't necessarily mean they should have won

00:38:09.940 --> 00:38:12.199
it just means they had better quality chances

00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:15.699
yeah and we do win most of the games since the

00:38:15.699 --> 00:38:18.219
last two seasons i think or three seasons yeah

00:38:18.219 --> 00:38:20.880
but i'm saying winning on xg quote unquote winning

00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:24.980
on xg is not uh should does not indicate that

00:38:24.980 --> 00:38:27.840
you should have won the match because an elite

00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:30.380
team only needs one shot one go one opportunity

00:38:30.380 --> 00:38:34.409
yeah but in terms of The XG we give away sometimes

00:38:34.409 --> 00:38:37.969
is next to nothing, even against Europe's top

00:38:37.969 --> 00:38:42.070
teams. Yeah, Bayern had one shot. And there hasn't

00:38:42.070 --> 00:38:45.150
been a game yet except Aston Villa where our

00:38:45.150 --> 00:38:48.150
opponents have really outperformed us, I would

00:38:48.150 --> 00:38:50.750
say. I don't even think Aston Villa outperformed

00:38:50.750 --> 00:38:54.269
us, really. It was a terrible game where they

00:38:54.269 --> 00:38:58.280
had the better of it. I wouldn't say that they

00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:00.480
created anything. One was like a Morgan Rodgers,

00:39:00.619 --> 00:39:04.239
another one of his crazy goals, I think. I don't

00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:06.920
remember the other goal too clearly. I see. Any

00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:09.820
other patterns or things you noticed in this

00:39:09.820 --> 00:39:13.400
game? I noticed that a lot of Chelsea's patterns,

00:39:13.500 --> 00:39:17.260
I think the way they got themselves back into

00:39:17.260 --> 00:39:23.280
the game was kind of reverting back to like Mariska's

00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:27.420
football. Like they kind of went with the 5 -3

00:39:27.420 --> 00:39:31.760
-2, I mean the 3 -2 -5, 2 -3 -5, sorry. I'm getting

00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:33.380
my numbers wrong. But yeah, they went with the

00:39:33.380 --> 00:39:37.019
2 -3 -5 in possession. And I think that helped

00:39:37.019 --> 00:39:42.659
Enzo Fernandes a lot. So I think Chelsea passed

00:39:42.659 --> 00:39:44.659
the ball around more, but we still looked more

00:39:44.659 --> 00:39:47.199
dangerous. I think we were comfortable kind of

00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:51.130
like... picking the gaps in the field i would

00:39:51.130 --> 00:39:53.550
say that we like still gave the ball away sloppy

00:39:53.550 --> 00:39:58.050
at times but if there's a problem i have with

00:39:58.050 --> 00:40:01.030
arsenals that we we tend to to protect the lead

00:40:01.030 --> 00:40:03.630
more than try double or triple it but it's not

00:40:03.630 --> 00:40:08.050
necessarily a problem because i can't say it

00:40:08.050 --> 00:40:11.929
hasn't worked yet like I'm not someone who thinks

00:40:11.929 --> 00:40:13.829
it would have made a difference. I think Man

00:40:13.829 --> 00:40:16.090
City were honestly better than us the two seasons

00:40:16.090 --> 00:40:19.030
we lost the league. We were so far behind you

00:40:19.030 --> 00:40:23.670
guys last season. I don't think those small marginal

00:40:23.670 --> 00:40:27.250
gains would have made a difference. I think in

00:40:27.250 --> 00:40:29.409
this season we've been the best team so far.

00:40:30.929 --> 00:40:33.869
From a coaching perspective, I don't fully agree

00:40:33.869 --> 00:40:39.190
with it. I think that's more maybe... Arteta's

00:40:39.190 --> 00:40:44.670
maybe Moy's side coming out. But I don't mind

00:40:44.670 --> 00:40:48.889
it as long as I enjoy the football. And it's

00:40:48.889 --> 00:40:50.570
given me a different understanding of defending.

00:40:51.329 --> 00:40:54.070
But in terms of the game, I wouldn't say any

00:40:54.070 --> 00:40:56.869
of Arsenal's patterns were new. In fact, I think

00:40:56.869 --> 00:41:00.409
Zubamendi, a lot of Arsenal's good play in the

00:41:00.409 --> 00:41:02.929
second half was individual brilliance from Zubamendi

00:41:02.929 --> 00:41:06.670
in terms of his passing, his dribbling, his interceptions.

00:41:07.710 --> 00:41:11.889
He's carrying the ball as well. He was probably

00:41:11.889 --> 00:41:15.730
my man of the match, honestly. Zubamendi? Zubamendi,

00:41:15.869 --> 00:41:19.010
yeah. Any thoughts or predictions for the second

00:41:19.010 --> 00:41:22.230
leg? I think Arsenal will win more comfortably

00:41:22.230 --> 00:41:26.389
in the second leg. Probably like a 2 -0, 3 -0

00:41:26.389 --> 00:41:30.090
as well. Why is that? Because we're really good

00:41:30.090 --> 00:41:34.570
at home. I think we don't look as nervous. When

00:41:34.570 --> 00:41:38.329
we went 3 -1 up... I knew we were going to sit

00:41:38.329 --> 00:41:41.230
back and I knew that Chelsea would create some

00:41:41.230 --> 00:41:43.429
stuff. I didn't expect Garnaccio to be the scorer

00:41:43.429 --> 00:41:46.590
because it looked like Esteval was going to be

00:41:46.590 --> 00:41:49.570
the one to drag them back into the game. Even

00:41:49.570 --> 00:41:52.050
when it went 3 -2, he really scared me. So I

00:41:52.050 --> 00:41:56.349
would say that maybe Cole Palmer being back worries

00:41:56.349 --> 00:42:01.110
me a bit. Rhys James. Caicedo? Caicedo was suspended,

00:42:01.250 --> 00:42:04.110
so he's definitely back. The other two were injured,

00:42:04.269 --> 00:42:06.289
so I'm not sure. Oh, so they won't be back. I

00:42:06.289 --> 00:42:08.969
mean, they might be, but I'm saying I'm not sure.

00:42:09.909 --> 00:42:13.150
Caicedo, I mean, if Enzo Fernandes plays the

00:42:13.150 --> 00:42:14.929
way he does, he obviously makes a difference.

00:42:15.030 --> 00:42:16.909
I think Caicedo is one of the best midfielders

00:42:16.909 --> 00:42:20.349
in the world, but I don't think it'll be enough

00:42:20.349 --> 00:42:24.230
for Chelsea to overcome Arsenal, especially with

00:42:24.230 --> 00:42:29.170
the defensive problems right now. I think we

00:42:29.170 --> 00:42:31.809
had like 17. 18 shots in the game, something

00:42:31.809 --> 00:42:35.769
like that. 10 on target or something. Even though

00:42:35.769 --> 00:42:38.769
we didn't play well, we consistently created

00:42:38.769 --> 00:42:43.929
chances. You seem very bullish on Arsenal going

00:42:43.929 --> 00:42:49.670
through the Arsenal vs City caribou final. Yeah.

00:42:50.449 --> 00:42:53.710
I would venture to say so. What about you? I've

00:42:53.710 --> 00:42:56.929
been reading online that Arsenal were lucky.

00:42:57.829 --> 00:43:00.610
that Chelsea were really on them. Given, you

00:43:00.610 --> 00:43:03.210
know, like, if Chelsea come out playing like

00:43:03.210 --> 00:43:05.010
they did in the second half, in the second leg,

00:43:05.269 --> 00:43:07.769
they'll easily turn over Arsenal. That's the

00:43:07.769 --> 00:43:11.289
sentiment I've been seeing online. And this is

00:43:11.289 --> 00:43:13.469
across fan bases. This is, like, United fans.

00:43:13.809 --> 00:43:15.949
This is... I was looking at the post -match thread

00:43:15.949 --> 00:43:19.610
in the Reddit on the soccer Reddit, so... It's

00:43:19.610 --> 00:43:22.929
not like I'm picking from a bunch of biased people.

00:43:23.750 --> 00:43:26.030
I mean, I don't know. I didn't feel threatened

00:43:26.030 --> 00:43:29.909
watching the game. I read different dissertations

00:43:29.909 --> 00:43:32.489
from different people as well. Of course. I'm

00:43:32.489 --> 00:43:34.809
picking a small sample, you're picking a small

00:43:34.809 --> 00:43:37.210
sample. I'm just trying to add to the conversation.

00:43:39.610 --> 00:43:42.469
So what I've been seeing is that once Chelsea

00:43:42.469 --> 00:43:46.530
really got at Arsenal, they couldn't deal with

00:43:46.530 --> 00:43:49.579
the pressure. I mean, both their goals came from

00:43:49.579 --> 00:43:52.179
our individual errors. It wasn't really moments

00:43:52.179 --> 00:43:56.420
of the game where I'd say they just dominated

00:43:56.420 --> 00:43:58.699
possession. Once again, I didn't watch the game,

00:43:58.780 --> 00:44:00.539
so I'm just basing this off what other people

00:44:00.539 --> 00:44:03.000
are saying. I guess people's interpretation could

00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:06.300
be at a visual level, but we've seen that before.

00:44:06.539 --> 00:44:10.239
I felt that Arsenal dominated before games against

00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:15.019
Mourinho's Chelsea. And when you watch the games

00:44:15.019 --> 00:44:17.889
back... you know that Mourinho's Chelsea had

00:44:17.889 --> 00:44:21.130
a game plan that they executed. And I think people

00:44:21.130 --> 00:44:24.389
constantly think of Oteta as being the student

00:44:24.389 --> 00:44:26.489
of Pep, think that Arsenal are going to go blow

00:44:26.489 --> 00:44:28.730
teams away, whereas I think Oteta is more like

00:44:28.730 --> 00:44:31.570
Simeone and Mourinho. I think he locks the game

00:44:31.570 --> 00:44:38.250
out. I see. I wouldn't share those sentiments

00:44:38.250 --> 00:44:41.320
that Chelsea dominated the game. We had twice

00:44:41.320 --> 00:44:42.920
as many shots. I wouldn't say they dominated

00:44:42.920 --> 00:44:46.340
the game. Once they got at you, there were opportunities

00:44:46.340 --> 00:44:50.980
for them. You weren't as, let's say, as imperious

00:44:50.980 --> 00:44:53.820
as you would think Arsenal were. Yeah, I mean,

00:44:53.860 --> 00:44:56.500
I would say the goals came off individual errors.

00:44:57.900 --> 00:44:59.860
Maybe a Cole Palmer is going to... So do you

00:44:59.860 --> 00:45:02.659
think that perhaps those individual errors came

00:45:02.659 --> 00:45:05.760
around because Chelsea were pushing up so aggressively?

00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:09.460
To a degree I think the momentum of the game

00:45:09.460 --> 00:45:12.659
shifted and I think like Arsenal players became

00:45:12.659 --> 00:45:16.139
a bit sloppy because like prior to that we were

00:45:16.139 --> 00:45:18.340
also dominating and all the momentum was our

00:45:18.340 --> 00:45:24.519
way. Also when it went 3 -1 I think the confidence

00:45:24.519 --> 00:45:27.440
was like out of the stadium. The atmosphere went

00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:30.380
dead for a couple of minutes until they scored

00:45:30.380 --> 00:45:32.099
again. I don't know how many minutes it was.

00:45:33.820 --> 00:45:37.340
In that moment, I knew Arsenal's game plan was

00:45:37.340 --> 00:45:40.719
to sit back. Chelsea have highly technical players.

00:45:41.099 --> 00:45:44.539
It's not like if you give them that space, they're

00:45:44.539 --> 00:45:46.139
not going to come at you. But I've seen that.

00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:47.659
I've seen that against Bayern Munich. I've seen

00:45:47.659 --> 00:45:49.260
that against Man City. I've seen that against

00:45:49.260 --> 00:45:52.920
you guys. We only lost one game to you guys,

00:45:53.099 --> 00:45:57.179
I think. At first I would have thought that,

00:45:57.260 --> 00:45:59.739
but I think Oteta's plan is to block out leads,

00:45:59.880 --> 00:46:02.159
to block team spaces, to make it difficult for

00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:04.880
them to play through, and then when we get the

00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:08.420
ball, keep it for as long as we can. So I don't

00:46:08.420 --> 00:46:11.099
think it's necessarily... I think in possession

00:46:11.099 --> 00:46:14.440
it might be quite similar to Guardiola, but I

00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:18.280
don't think out of possession the main aim is

00:46:18.280 --> 00:46:21.840
to press the team high. If people are watching

00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:24.840
a team pass the ball around... They're thinking,

00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:27.300
oh, okay, this team's dominating the game. They're

00:46:27.300 --> 00:46:31.719
pinning Arsenal back. But they're not really

00:46:31.719 --> 00:46:34.320
making any passes that penetrate the defensive

00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:36.420
line, unless it's like a moment of brilliance.

00:46:36.420 --> 00:46:39.059
And I think a moment of brilliance is nothing

00:46:39.059 --> 00:46:41.000
you can really legislate for from a coaching

00:46:41.000 --> 00:46:45.860
perspective. I think it's just like, yeah, sometimes

00:46:45.860 --> 00:46:48.539
a play is too good to stop. You'll just accept

00:46:48.539 --> 00:46:54.420
that. All right. So, Jonah. Go on to our next

00:46:54.420 --> 00:47:00.079
topic. Yeah. I think, no, I think this is called

00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:02.920
the managerial merry -go -round. And I'm not

00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:05.159
exactly sure what I want to do here. I just kind

00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:08.079
of want to chat about managers. Because in the

00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:11.039
last week or so, Enzo Maresca, Ruben Amaram,

00:47:11.159 --> 00:47:13.340
and Xabi Alonso have all been sacked from their

00:47:13.340 --> 00:47:17.760
respective jobs. And the majority of the current

00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:21.219
Liverpool fan base want slot out. What do you

00:47:21.219 --> 00:47:24.079
make of it? Do you think managers get the respect

00:47:24.079 --> 00:47:27.579
they deserve? In terms of what? In terms of,

00:47:27.639 --> 00:47:32.239
I guess, with the Alonzo one in particular, what's

00:47:32.239 --> 00:47:37.400
your opinion on player power as affects the managerial?

00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:41.579
I guess like a manager's security, job security.

00:47:41.980 --> 00:47:44.019
I guess there's two conversations I would have

00:47:44.019 --> 00:47:46.940
about Alonzo. First of all, he's just not good

00:47:46.940 --> 00:47:49.380
enough. That's what you think. That's my opinion.

00:47:49.500 --> 00:47:51.960
I didn't say any otherwise. That's my opinion.

00:47:52.019 --> 00:47:54.539
I just don't think at the elite level he's ever

00:47:54.539 --> 00:47:58.480
bested an elite coach. My evidence for this,

00:47:58.599 --> 00:48:02.320
the Europa League final against the Ashlancha

00:48:02.320 --> 00:48:05.800
guy, I forget his name, Gasparini, and against

00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:07.920
Slott in the Champions League, we popped them

00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:12.179
at Leverkusen's home turf, I believe. Or was

00:48:12.179 --> 00:48:14.079
it at Anfield? Doesn't matter where it was. Wherever

00:48:14.079 --> 00:48:18.389
it was, we popped them. Who was Bayern? Didn't

00:48:18.389 --> 00:48:21.650
he beat Tuchel? No, Tuchel wasn't there when

00:48:21.650 --> 00:48:25.489
he was at Bayern. Who was Bayern manager? Was

00:48:25.489 --> 00:48:30.610
it not Kompany? No. Not yet. Nagelsmann? Yeah.

00:48:31.190 --> 00:48:34.610
He's an elite tactician, isn't he? Sure, man.

00:48:34.710 --> 00:48:38.030
But I'm just saying, in big games that I've watched,

00:48:38.190 --> 00:48:41.110
I've always seen him get outlasted. And maybe

00:48:41.110 --> 00:48:44.090
it's a small sample size, but... I disagree.

00:48:45.130 --> 00:48:48.769
Like... I think Bayer Leverkusen were a somewhat

00:48:48.769 --> 00:48:51.230
small team. So every game would have been him

00:48:51.230 --> 00:48:54.269
punching up. And he won almost every game for

00:48:54.269 --> 00:48:57.289
a season. Yeah, but then once you have your reputation,

00:48:57.670 --> 00:49:01.630
you're not a small team anymore. Yeah, and he

00:49:01.630 --> 00:49:05.389
didn't get a transfer. He left his choice. Maybe

00:49:05.389 --> 00:49:07.929
it was the wrong decision. But I think people

00:49:07.929 --> 00:49:11.090
should be allowed to make mistakes. Okay, but

00:49:11.090 --> 00:49:13.380
whatever. I'm saying... He shouldn't be at Real

00:49:13.380 --> 00:49:15.139
Madrid. That's the first conversation I'm going

00:49:15.139 --> 00:49:18.639
to have. I don't think his talent level would

00:49:18.639 --> 00:49:22.980
take Madrid to where they want to go. Second

00:49:22.980 --> 00:49:26.119
of all, he's very inexperienced. Part of the

00:49:26.119 --> 00:49:28.880
same conversation as being at Madrid. I don't

00:49:28.880 --> 00:49:31.019
think they should have hired somebody so inexperienced.

00:49:31.719 --> 00:49:34.340
The other conversation is player power. And that

00:49:34.340 --> 00:49:36.760
is ridiculous. The player should not be dictating

00:49:36.760 --> 00:49:42.500
who is the manager and who is not. To me, that

00:49:42.500 --> 00:49:47.119
is ridiculous. I cannot fathom that. So, yes,

00:49:47.219 --> 00:49:49.280
Alonso should have been sacked, but because he's

00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:51.059
not good enough, not because the players wanted

00:49:51.059 --> 00:49:55.599
it. Well, I disagree, obviously. Why is that

00:49:55.599 --> 00:50:00.239
obvious? No, I mean, because we were discussing

00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:03.940
it now. Yes. So, I think it made my stance obvious.

00:50:05.579 --> 00:50:12.920
I have Raiden as a manager. I watched maybe like

00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:15.280
seven or eight games of his Leverkusen team.

00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:19.440
Most of them were like recaps. I mean, I watched

00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:21.559
the whole games, but I didn't watch them live.

00:50:22.659 --> 00:50:26.360
But I was really impressed with them. And I think,

00:50:26.400 --> 00:50:30.760
like, look at Arsene Wenger, for example. It's

00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:34.579
like, is he an elite tactician? Or is he an elite

00:50:34.579 --> 00:50:36.900
coach if he didn't win everything every season?

00:50:36.980 --> 00:50:40.340
I think there was a time where he was... where

00:50:40.340 --> 00:50:44.980
he was elite, even if... That's not a fair judgment.

00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:47.219
Yeah, I'm saying... If you win everything every

00:50:47.219 --> 00:50:51.360
season, nobody's ever made that claim that you

00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:53.360
have to win everything every season to be an

00:50:53.360 --> 00:50:55.159
elite tactician. Yeah, and I don't necessarily

00:50:55.159 --> 00:50:57.920
think Leverkusen's football dropped off that

00:50:57.920 --> 00:51:01.199
drastically. Just the first season was so euphoric

00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:04.440
that people weren't expecting... Like, they still

00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:06.320
finished second. They still made the Champions

00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:10.579
League. So it wasn't like... I didn't say he

00:51:10.579 --> 00:51:12.519
was bad in the league. All I said was against

00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:15.360
the really top elite tacticians. Yeah, but I'm

00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:17.539
saying how can you dread someone off the first

00:51:17.539 --> 00:51:19.719
two years of their coaching, three years of their

00:51:19.719 --> 00:51:23.380
coaching? He also beat Hansi Flick. Look, I understand.

00:51:23.940 --> 00:51:30.539
Go to, I don't know, just a Spurs. Get experience

00:51:30.539 --> 00:51:34.659
there. Then go to, you know, maybe Inter Milan.

00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:37.619
Then go to Real Madrid. Going to Real Madrid

00:51:37.619 --> 00:51:40.000
straight out of Valle de Vicuzen, that was Madrid's

00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:43.880
fault. But they've taken novice managers in the

00:51:43.880 --> 00:51:46.639
past, or managers that had a small reputation.

00:51:47.059 --> 00:51:50.159
I feel we're spending too much time on Alonso.

00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:53.079
Like I said, I feel they were right to sack him

00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:55.940
because he's not good enough. They should not

00:51:55.940 --> 00:52:02.340
have consulted players about it. So, I've been

00:52:02.340 --> 00:52:05.349
thinking about how to replace slot. And I think

00:52:05.349 --> 00:52:07.949
that conversation... Are you assuming he's getting

00:52:07.949 --> 00:52:11.550
sacked? I believe that he signed a two -year

00:52:11.550 --> 00:52:15.789
contract. And we never re -upped the contract.

00:52:16.070 --> 00:52:18.730
So at the end of the season, he's done. So we're

00:52:18.730 --> 00:52:21.090
just going to kind of let it play out and then,

00:52:21.150 --> 00:52:26.250
I assume, get a new manager in the summer. I

00:52:26.250 --> 00:52:28.809
mean... Because we're not in danger of... Why

00:52:28.809 --> 00:52:31.829
do you want to get rid of him, though? He's just

00:52:31.829 --> 00:52:35.300
not good enough. That's where you and I differ.

00:52:35.639 --> 00:52:40.679
I'm always like... With Unai Imre, that was the

00:52:40.679 --> 00:52:43.239
only time I was impatient with the coach. And

00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:50.139
maybe I was wrong, but I think... I just... I

00:52:50.139 --> 00:52:53.239
didn't... Yeah, but listen, I don't understand

00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:56.119
this mentality of like, let's give a coach work

00:52:56.119 --> 00:52:58.860
experience. We're here to win trophies. We're

00:52:58.860 --> 00:53:01.920
not here to... be this person's internship. Yeah,

00:53:01.980 --> 00:53:05.780
so what's the guarantee that, like... Well, this

00:53:05.780 --> 00:53:08.320
is what I'm going to get into now, right? So

00:53:08.320 --> 00:53:11.059
we have to assume that Pep and Chilotti and Klopp

00:53:11.059 --> 00:53:15.239
are out of the picture, right? Pep... The rumours

00:53:15.239 --> 00:53:17.260
are that Pep is going to leave Man City at the

00:53:17.260 --> 00:53:23.380
end of this season. Part of that is he part -owned

00:53:23.380 --> 00:53:25.980
a restaurant in Manchester and that closed down.

00:53:27.260 --> 00:53:32.139
That's one thing. He sold off a place he was

00:53:32.139 --> 00:53:36.860
renting in the city. Something like that. Just

00:53:36.860 --> 00:53:39.119
like outside of football things that people are

00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:43.139
tying to him possibly leaving. CSI investigative

00:53:43.139 --> 00:53:48.579
work. Yes, real life shit. Stuff I can't be involved

00:53:48.579 --> 00:53:53.260
in. So yes, Pep is potentially leaving City and

00:53:53.260 --> 00:53:55.480
we have to assume that he's out of the local

00:53:55.480 --> 00:54:01.000
reach. I mean, I don't think he's a snake. So...

00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:04.380
How is he a snake? No, I'm saying like... Sachi

00:54:04.380 --> 00:54:07.219
and I... Sachi and us are not rivals. But you

00:54:07.219 --> 00:54:10.820
guys were direct... Like they were your... No.

00:54:11.400 --> 00:54:14.619
Everton are our rivals and United. No one else

00:54:14.619 --> 00:54:16.480
are our rivals. But in that period... Competing

00:54:16.480 --> 00:54:19.789
for a title is not a... It's like if Arsene Wenger

00:54:19.789 --> 00:54:23.250
went to Manchester United after the Invincibles.

00:54:23.530 --> 00:54:27.150
No, it's as if Ferguson went to Arsenal after

00:54:27.150 --> 00:54:30.650
the treble. Either way, it would have been bad.

00:54:31.090 --> 00:54:35.289
Yeah, but I'm saying we have to assume Pep is

00:54:35.289 --> 00:54:38.590
out of the picture. Because if Pep were available...

00:54:38.590 --> 00:54:41.570
Okay, would you be okay with Klopp going to City?

00:54:41.789 --> 00:54:47.659
Yeah. I have no beef with City. Okay. Like I

00:54:47.659 --> 00:54:49.820
said, I have beef with Everton and United. That's

00:54:49.820 --> 00:54:57.239
it. Madrid. But yeah. Ancelotti, also out of

00:54:57.239 --> 00:55:03.119
the picture. Because Everton. Everton ties. I

00:55:03.119 --> 00:55:07.179
don't think he's a snake like that. You'd think

00:55:07.179 --> 00:55:10.699
he would join Liverpool. He coached Juventus

00:55:10.699 --> 00:55:14.530
as an AC Milan legend. Juventus and Milan are

00:55:14.530 --> 00:55:16.670
not like... They were heavy enemies at the time.

00:55:16.690 --> 00:55:19.429
Enemies, like... They were very big enemies at

00:55:19.429 --> 00:55:22.010
the time. I don't know. And then he came back

00:55:22.010 --> 00:55:24.849
to Milan as a coach. Okay, whatever the case

00:55:24.849 --> 00:55:27.170
is, Pep and Slotty and Klopp have to be out of

00:55:27.170 --> 00:55:31.030
the picture. I assume the majority of our fanbase

00:55:31.030 --> 00:55:33.210
would take Klopp back in an instant. And that

00:55:33.210 --> 00:55:35.849
cannot happen. Klopp had far too much power at

00:55:35.849 --> 00:55:38.389
the club and that's what led to, you know, our

00:55:38.389 --> 00:55:43.039
director of football leaving. Right, so... That

00:55:43.039 --> 00:55:45.280
same director of football has come back and become

00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:48.159
our CEO. His name is Michael Edwards. He's the

00:55:48.159 --> 00:55:56.019
guy who masterminded our team under Klopp. Klopp

00:55:56.019 --> 00:55:57.780
cannot come back in. He needs to be out of the

00:55:57.780 --> 00:55:59.400
picture. Ancelotti needs to be out of the picture.

00:55:59.619 --> 00:56:01.199
Pep needs to be out of the picture. Those are

00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:02.679
three people that cannot be in the conversation.

00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:07.719
Because all three of them would easily be first

00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:11.079
choice, I would say, if they were on the table.

00:56:12.619 --> 00:56:17.980
But what is the state of the... Okay, that's

00:56:17.980 --> 00:56:20.699
irrelevant also. But I was going to say, I think

00:56:20.699 --> 00:56:25.599
Ancelotti, can he develop a squad in the image

00:56:25.599 --> 00:56:28.980
Liverpool require? I just think we have the squad

00:56:28.980 --> 00:56:31.360
right now. Somebody needs to make use of that

00:56:31.360 --> 00:56:37.119
squad. And what about defence? With Van Dijk

00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:40.059
and Konate probably going to leave. We can buy

00:56:40.059 --> 00:56:44.610
a better... We can buy players, bro. I just don't

00:56:44.610 --> 00:56:47.389
understand this mentality of this person being

00:56:47.389 --> 00:56:50.030
irreplaceable. So what if Slot goes deep in the

00:56:50.030 --> 00:56:52.230
Champions League and finishes top three and wins

00:56:52.230 --> 00:56:55.309
a cup? I don't think that's enough to save him.

00:56:55.409 --> 00:56:59.010
It's not about you looking at the output and

00:56:59.010 --> 00:57:03.070
basing. I'm looking at the process. The games

00:57:03.070 --> 00:57:05.010
we're playing against smaller teams, he's not

00:57:05.010 --> 00:57:08.010
tried anything and we're already out of ideas.

00:57:08.429 --> 00:57:11.869
You know what I'm saying? I mean, I disagree,

00:57:12.050 --> 00:57:13.789
but I understand where you're coming from. It's

00:57:13.789 --> 00:57:15.570
very frustrating to watch Liverpool play. I'm

00:57:15.570 --> 00:57:19.170
not slot out. I believe he can turn around. The

00:57:19.170 --> 00:57:21.530
issue is the rest of the fan base is not as patient

00:57:21.530 --> 00:57:25.230
as I am. That's why I believe his contract is

00:57:25.230 --> 00:57:28.969
not going to be renewed. And we're going to be

00:57:28.969 --> 00:57:32.550
looking for somebody else. And I'm worried that

00:57:32.550 --> 00:57:35.670
we're going to go for Alonso. Like I just mentioned,

00:57:35.710 --> 00:57:37.989
his negatives, why I don't want him. We need

00:57:37.989 --> 00:57:41.309
to be competing for those big trophies. Him being

00:57:41.309 --> 00:57:44.769
outfoxed by Gasparini and Slot is not a good

00:57:44.769 --> 00:57:50.050
sign. But he outfoxed Hansi Flick. In what sense?

00:57:50.929 --> 00:57:55.269
The classical. Like the last one. I mean, Barcelona

00:57:55.269 --> 00:57:59.070
won yesterday, but the one before that. Did they

00:57:59.070 --> 00:58:01.050
pump them? Like what? What was the scoreline?

00:58:01.409 --> 00:58:04.230
It was 2 -1, but it was mostly the coaching that

00:58:04.230 --> 00:58:08.269
won them the game. I don't know. I don't have

00:58:08.269 --> 00:58:10.829
any information on that. I'll have to research

00:58:10.829 --> 00:58:13.309
more and get back to you. But the three names

00:58:13.309 --> 00:58:17.530
that have been coming to me that I'm... Because

00:58:17.530 --> 00:58:19.030
I've been thinking about this for like three

00:58:19.030 --> 00:58:22.050
weeks, three, four weeks now. So the first name

00:58:22.050 --> 00:58:27.929
that has come to me is Enrique. This week, or

00:58:27.929 --> 00:58:31.449
not this week, last week, he said in the press

00:58:31.449 --> 00:58:34.269
that he hinted that he would like a new challenge

00:58:34.269 --> 00:58:35.989
and that challenge would be in the Premier League.

00:58:36.849 --> 00:58:40.769
And I think the most obvious thing would be for

00:58:40.769 --> 00:58:46.170
City to go for him. But we're trying to gazump

00:58:46.170 --> 00:58:48.010
City here. We don't want City to come in and

00:58:48.010 --> 00:58:51.929
get the, you know, the best, not the best, but

00:58:51.929 --> 00:58:54.929
the most attractive manager on the market for

00:58:54.929 --> 00:58:58.989
what we're trying to do, right? Enrique would

00:58:58.989 --> 00:59:00.769
be my number one because he's won the Champions

00:59:00.769 --> 00:59:03.969
League multiple times. He knows how to work at

00:59:03.969 --> 00:59:08.099
a big club. His style of football is very attractive

00:59:08.099 --> 00:59:13.960
and, you know, the fan base would love it. The

00:59:13.960 --> 00:59:16.599
only concern I have over him is that he's never

00:59:16.599 --> 00:59:20.059
done it with a non -elite team. So his Barca

00:59:20.059 --> 00:59:23.619
team that, you know, won the treble and then

00:59:23.619 --> 00:59:26.099
the next season won the double, they had elite

00:59:26.099 --> 00:59:30.320
players in every position. The PSG team that

00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:32.539
just won the treble, elite players in every position.

00:59:33.179 --> 00:59:37.719
He took a few risks there, though. Okay, but

00:59:37.719 --> 00:59:41.340
at the end of the day, elite players in every

00:59:41.340 --> 00:59:44.719
position. He's not going to have that luxury

00:59:44.719 --> 00:59:47.280
at Liverpool all the time. We're obviously trying

00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:50.679
to compete on that level now, move into a different

00:59:50.679 --> 00:59:53.300
stratosphere of buying players, like buying Isaac,

00:59:53.420 --> 00:59:55.840
buying Wurz, buying best -in -class players,

00:59:55.920 --> 00:59:59.659
not buying potential that could explode. We're

00:59:59.659 --> 01:00:05.539
buying the finished product now. I think Enrique

01:00:05.539 --> 01:00:07.820
would be the guy to get the best out of that

01:00:07.820 --> 01:00:13.820
crop of players. And if he's available, like

01:00:13.820 --> 01:00:16.239
he hinted at, I think he should be our number

01:00:16.239 --> 01:00:20.119
one target going into it. Do you have any thoughts

01:00:20.119 --> 01:00:24.679
about Enrique? Yeah, I think I would say he's

01:00:24.679 --> 01:00:27.340
one of the best coaches in the world. I'd say

01:00:27.340 --> 01:00:29.719
Pep Guardiola is number one and Hansi Flick is

01:00:29.719 --> 01:00:32.400
number two. I'd say he's number three just behind

01:00:32.400 --> 01:00:37.820
them. My opinion. And, yeah, I mean, if any club

01:00:37.820 --> 01:00:39.960
could get him, I wouldn't trade Arteta. I still

01:00:39.960 --> 01:00:43.440
believe in him. Arsenal are the only of the big

01:00:43.440 --> 01:00:46.039
six that aren't looking for a new manager. Even

01:00:46.039 --> 01:00:49.019
Chelsea, having just gotten a new manager, might

01:00:49.019 --> 01:00:51.079
be looking for a new one at the end of the...

01:00:51.079 --> 01:00:56.639
Before Arsenal. So, yes. Any other thoughts about

01:00:56.639 --> 01:01:01.420
Enrique? No, he's an elite coach. I hope he doesn't

01:01:01.420 --> 01:01:06.320
go to you guys or Manchester United. We're here

01:01:06.320 --> 01:01:08.900
to win, right? Slot, he won us the league. Thank

01:01:08.900 --> 01:01:12.219
you. But you've shown that in the future, it's

01:01:12.219 --> 01:01:14.579
unlikely that you will win us more leagues. We

01:01:14.579 --> 01:01:16.460
need to be thinking forward. We can't be thinking

01:01:16.460 --> 01:01:19.139
about past successes. We'll have to wait and

01:01:19.139 --> 01:01:22.099
see about that. I think you guys are still in

01:01:22.099 --> 01:01:25.659
the Champions League. Anything can happen. Alright,

01:01:25.739 --> 01:01:28.860
fair enough. Second name I have is Thomas Tuchel.

01:01:30.579 --> 01:01:33.159
He, for obvious reasons, he's probably going

01:01:33.159 --> 01:01:36.440
to wait until after the World Cup to potentially

01:01:36.440 --> 01:01:45.880
get a new job. So, and, you know, like, it's

01:01:45.880 --> 01:01:48.199
kind of like an unwritten kind of thing that

01:01:48.199 --> 01:01:52.019
you don't want to fuck up England's preparations

01:01:52.019 --> 01:01:55.039
for the World Cup right now. Right? Especially

01:01:55.039 --> 01:01:58.400
if you're an English team. So, he would also

01:01:58.400 --> 01:02:04.599
be available in the summer, in the break. The

01:02:04.599 --> 01:02:06.860
English summer? Yes, the English summer. So,

01:02:07.079 --> 01:02:12.239
the pros of Tuchel, he took an underperforming

01:02:12.239 --> 01:02:15.559
Chelsea squad where there wasn't a star in every

01:02:15.559 --> 01:02:18.469
position, but he made it work. Turned them into

01:02:18.469 --> 01:02:20.590
the best team in the world for six months. An

01:02:20.590 --> 01:02:23.690
incredible defensive unit that could not be penetrated.

01:02:24.010 --> 01:02:28.190
They were incredible. It was weird. They trained

01:02:28.190 --> 01:02:30.289
overnight. They honestly became the best team

01:02:30.289 --> 01:02:35.329
in the world for six months. So he has experience

01:02:35.329 --> 01:02:38.389
with working with non -optimal players and turning

01:02:38.389 --> 01:02:43.530
them into winners. At least in a cup sense. The

01:02:43.530 --> 01:02:47.139
concern I have with him is that He played with

01:02:47.139 --> 01:02:49.480
the back three and he was ugly sometimes. A lot

01:02:49.480 --> 01:02:52.420
of parking the bus. Hitting them on the counter.

01:02:52.599 --> 01:02:56.820
And not like fun countering. It was like pragmatic

01:02:56.820 --> 01:03:02.000
countering. That's okay. I don't mind. He is

01:03:02.000 --> 01:03:03.920
still my number two because he's such a winner.

01:03:05.039 --> 01:03:08.719
He doesn't take shit from big names. He was at

01:03:08.719 --> 01:03:13.199
PSG. His mentality. He took PSG to the Champions

01:03:13.199 --> 01:03:18.079
League final. with a very inco... What's the

01:03:18.079 --> 01:03:22.340
word? Non -cohesive team. Incohesive team. And

01:03:22.340 --> 01:03:25.360
he made it work on many levels. I mean, they

01:03:25.360 --> 01:03:28.940
were just... It was Hansi Flick in the end of

01:03:28.940 --> 01:03:33.780
the day. What do you mean? They beat him. Oh,

01:03:33.780 --> 01:03:36.679
yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Oh, sorry. I forgot

01:03:36.679 --> 01:03:39.780
about that. So yeah, Tuchel, he did eventually

01:03:39.780 --> 01:03:42.289
win it with Chelsea. He's a winner. He knows

01:03:42.289 --> 01:03:44.630
how to work with non -optimal squads. And he

01:03:44.630 --> 01:03:50.889
knocked PSG out. Yes. My only concern is that

01:03:50.889 --> 01:03:53.849
the football is ugly sometimes. But is that,

01:03:53.849 --> 01:03:57.690
I guess, what he was working with at Chelsea?

01:03:59.289 --> 01:04:01.429
I'd say his Dortmund had the opposite problem.

01:04:01.949 --> 01:04:04.030
They were too entertaining but not good enough

01:04:04.030 --> 01:04:09.130
defensively. I didn't watch enough of his document,

01:04:09.170 --> 01:04:13.110
so I can't comment on that. But I can only comment

01:04:13.110 --> 01:04:15.110
on what I saw at Chelsea. People thought Aubameyang

01:04:15.110 --> 01:04:16.909
was one of the best strikers in the world. He

01:04:16.909 --> 01:04:18.789
was one of the best strikers in the world, bro.

01:04:19.090 --> 01:04:22.989
He did so well because, if I recall correctly,

01:04:23.190 --> 01:04:26.590
I didn't watch these games in particular. I just

01:04:26.590 --> 01:04:29.210
know the story of it, that Klopp's team kind

01:04:29.210 --> 01:04:31.750
of fell apart. Tuchel is the one who came in,

01:04:31.829 --> 01:04:34.829
rebuilt that squad, won the poker, their version

01:04:34.829 --> 01:04:38.309
of the FA Cup. Kind of got Dortmund back on track.

01:04:38.829 --> 01:04:43.250
Yeah, no, he did rebuild him. So, for squad building,

01:04:43.489 --> 01:04:45.590
Tuchel, you know, he's also high on my list.

01:04:47.150 --> 01:04:50.210
So, yes, that's my number two. Any thoughts about

01:04:50.210 --> 01:04:54.690
Tuchel? I would... I rate him highly as well.

01:04:54.849 --> 01:04:57.510
Like, again, I have the same... Some of the same

01:04:57.510 --> 01:05:02.449
problems. Like, I don't like... Like, he falls

01:05:02.449 --> 01:05:04.829
into the same bracket as Nzaghi. Like, I don't

01:05:04.829 --> 01:05:09.320
like... Back three managers. But. I have been.

01:05:09.420 --> 01:05:12.039
I have liked his teams. I like him for some reason.

01:05:12.159 --> 01:05:14.300
Thomas Tuchel. And I like. I like the way he

01:05:14.300 --> 01:05:21.079
speaks. As far as like. Would I want him. At

01:05:21.079 --> 01:05:26.420
my club. Over Arteta. No. But if we didn't have.

01:05:26.519 --> 01:05:28.960
Like if. If we had a managerial opening. I wouldn't

01:05:28.960 --> 01:05:34.449
be. Upset with Tuchel. My third choice. Is Antonio

01:05:34.449 --> 01:05:39.489
Conte. Again. Like. Tukul. When I say. Horror

01:05:39.489 --> 01:05:43.090
football. Conte will play some. Dog shit football.

01:05:43.269 --> 01:05:45.590
Sometimes. But. At the end of the day. He's a

01:05:45.590 --> 01:05:49.670
winner. And. You know. Who's going to complain.

01:05:49.809 --> 01:05:52.750
With a trophy in the end. Very few people. So.

01:05:54.010 --> 01:05:58.530
Conte. He's like. Tukul light. But he hasn't.

01:05:58.630 --> 01:06:02.110
Translated it to. Knockout football yet. That's

01:06:02.110 --> 01:06:05.699
the thing. Tuchel hasn't won a league outside

01:06:05.699 --> 01:06:13.059
of France, I believe. Conte hasn't won a continental

01:06:13.059 --> 01:06:19.219
cup competition. So there's definite issues with

01:06:19.219 --> 01:06:22.559
either one of them. But those are just the cream

01:06:22.559 --> 01:06:26.619
of the crop that I see. He went to Napoli and

01:06:26.619 --> 01:06:31.000
won the league with them. Yeah, he's one of the

01:06:31.000 --> 01:06:33.949
best, I'd say. He can just organize the defense.

01:06:34.849 --> 01:06:37.550
After Pep Guardiola, he's probably the best league

01:06:37.550 --> 01:06:41.449
manager in the world. So, yeah, those are my

01:06:41.449 --> 01:06:45.889
top three options. I just want to mention Oliver

01:06:45.889 --> 01:06:50.349
Glasner. Why would I not pick him? Because he

01:06:50.349 --> 01:06:54.230
hasn't been tested at the top level. Do you rate

01:06:54.230 --> 01:06:57.389
him? I rate him. I rate him as a mid -table manager.

01:06:57.849 --> 01:07:00.809
So you put him in what sort of bracket? Like

01:07:00.809 --> 01:07:04.260
an Unai Emery bracket? Yeah, he can't do it at

01:07:04.260 --> 01:07:06.800
a top job, but he can take a mid -table team

01:07:06.800 --> 01:07:08.780
and do very well. Turn them into a European -level

01:07:08.780 --> 01:07:11.420
team. Yes, that's my feelings about Glasner.

01:07:12.639 --> 01:07:15.460
You also have to consider, at the moment, Palace

01:07:15.460 --> 01:07:17.519
have a very thin squad. That's not his fault.

01:07:17.760 --> 01:07:21.500
They're extremely tired. They're not performing

01:07:21.500 --> 01:07:23.960
the way he wants them to because that's poor

01:07:23.960 --> 01:07:28.320
squad building. That's not his tactics or management

01:07:28.320 --> 01:07:31.800
that's doing that. But he won the Europa League

01:07:31.800 --> 01:07:34.840
with Frankfurt, I believe. Yes. And he won the

01:07:34.840 --> 01:07:36.539
FA Cup with Crystal Palace. So he's a proven

01:07:36.539 --> 01:07:41.460
winner, right? My concern is that he does it

01:07:41.460 --> 01:07:44.440
when there's no pressure on him. At a big club,

01:07:44.500 --> 01:07:47.000
there's infinitely more pressure on, like, every

01:07:47.000 --> 01:07:50.340
small detail gets scrutinized, right? Whereas

01:07:50.340 --> 01:07:56.699
Palace, he can make mistakes and he... Let me

01:07:56.699 --> 01:07:59.599
just pull up there. Their form at the moment.

01:08:00.639 --> 01:08:06.219
Let's see. So, Palace lost to Macclesfield, which

01:08:06.219 --> 01:08:08.900
is a team that was created after the year 2010.

01:08:09.000 --> 01:08:12.579
Oh, okay. I played in Macclesfield town with

01:08:12.579 --> 01:08:21.159
the FIFA pro. They drew with Aston Villa. Okay,

01:08:21.180 --> 01:08:24.199
decent result. They lost to Newcastle. They drew

01:08:24.199 --> 01:08:30.899
with Fulham. They lost to Arsenal in the EFL,

01:08:31.100 --> 01:08:34.100
but on penalties, so, you know, that's pretty

01:08:34.100 --> 01:08:36.340
good, though. If you take them to penalties and

01:08:36.340 --> 01:08:38.039
lose on penalties, that's not a... What about

01:08:38.039 --> 01:08:40.840
Unai Emery? Well, you can speak about him after

01:08:40.840 --> 01:08:43.399
that. All right, but I'm just saying the pressure

01:08:43.399 --> 01:08:47.420
of a big club, Glaston hasn't faced that, and

01:08:47.420 --> 01:08:49.739
I don't think he would survive under scrutiny.

01:08:51.300 --> 01:08:54.880
Yeah. Emery, same thing. I just don't believe

01:08:54.880 --> 01:08:57.750
he would... You know, we've seen him at Arsenal.

01:08:57.909 --> 01:09:00.850
He didn't... You know, you make this point all

01:09:00.850 --> 01:09:02.710
the time. I understand this is our first episode,

01:09:02.869 --> 01:09:05.229
but I just want to say all that Darren does is

01:09:05.229 --> 01:09:10.470
talk about how Emery can't take a top club, you

01:09:10.470 --> 01:09:12.170
know, like a top four club and turn them into

01:09:12.170 --> 01:09:14.189
champions. He can only turn a mid -table club

01:09:14.189 --> 01:09:17.050
into a Europa -level team or a Europe -level

01:09:17.050 --> 01:09:19.149
team. He can turn any team into a European -level

01:09:19.149 --> 01:09:22.189
team. I think in that context, he's one of the

01:09:22.189 --> 01:09:24.840
best coaches in the world. Like, there's very

01:09:24.840 --> 01:09:27.819
few coaches who could have Aston Villa in a Champions

01:09:27.819 --> 01:09:30.020
League position. Even elite coaches. Like, I

01:09:30.020 --> 01:09:33.100
don't think Ancelotti could, for example, get

01:09:33.100 --> 01:09:35.880
Aston Villa to the Champions League with that

01:09:35.880 --> 01:09:39.239
squad. We saw at Everton he almost got relegated.

01:09:39.380 --> 01:09:42.680
He did well at Everton, I'm pretty sure. He almost

01:09:42.680 --> 01:09:44.439
got relegated when he left. They were, like,

01:09:44.460 --> 01:09:46.699
in the relegation zone by his second season.

01:09:46.939 --> 01:09:49.659
I just remember them really loving Ancelotti.

01:09:50.109 --> 01:09:52.449
When he first arrived, yeah, I think they played

01:09:52.449 --> 01:09:54.289
some good football and then things went pear

01:09:54.289 --> 01:09:58.989
-shaped. Alright, yeah. But again, at Bayern

01:09:58.989 --> 01:10:02.350
Munich, he struggled. They didn't have an elite

01:10:02.350 --> 01:10:05.710
squad at the time. Well, I just remember that

01:10:05.710 --> 01:10:12.560
the Bayern... players were upset that they went

01:10:12.560 --> 01:10:15.180
from pep who was like highly regimented and like

01:10:15.180 --> 01:10:19.239
you know very focused on fitness and like you

01:10:19.239 --> 01:10:22.020
know the highest food quality etc and then you

01:10:22.020 --> 01:10:24.479
have like ancelotti and his team that were chain

01:10:24.479 --> 01:10:28.600
smoking they were chain smoking every practice

01:10:28.600 --> 01:10:34.720
him and the team that's how i would coach uh

01:10:34.720 --> 01:10:39.449
so yeah uh do you have anything else I love him.

01:10:39.909 --> 01:10:42.649
He's probably one of my favourite people in football

01:10:42.649 --> 01:10:48.270
ever. But in terms of... He's a ceiling raiser.

01:10:48.310 --> 01:10:50.329
I don't think he can raise the floor. I think

01:10:50.329 --> 01:10:52.430
Unai Emery can raise a floor, not the ceiling.

01:10:54.529 --> 01:10:58.489
What would you make about Chelsea, though? 25

01:10:58.489 --> 01:11:01.949
years, they've been changing coach every six

01:11:01.949 --> 01:11:03.829
months and been one of the best clubs in the

01:11:03.829 --> 01:11:07.760
world. How long can that continue, though? The

01:11:07.760 --> 01:11:11.359
thing is, when Roman did it, he was going after

01:11:11.359 --> 01:11:14.779
best -in -class talents. Liam Roseno is not a

01:11:14.779 --> 01:11:17.819
best -in -class talent. Liam Roseno, as far as

01:11:17.819 --> 01:11:21.199
I can tell, is just a yes -man. I mean, he comes

01:11:21.199 --> 01:11:24.239
from Strasbourg, who they are. I'm 100 % willing

01:11:24.239 --> 01:11:27.279
to be proven wrong. Liam Roseno, if you want

01:11:27.279 --> 01:11:30.119
to make a big fuss at Chelsea and you don't really

01:11:30.119 --> 01:11:32.520
put your stamp on it, you know, fair enough.

01:11:32.760 --> 01:11:35.689
But from the outside looking in... Liam Rosenio

01:11:35.689 --> 01:11:38.630
looks like a race man just brought in to do the

01:11:38.630 --> 01:11:42.609
bidding of Blueco. I would agree with that, I

01:11:42.609 --> 01:11:46.350
think. So, although on paper it looks the same

01:11:46.350 --> 01:11:49.409
as what Roman used to do, it's very far from

01:11:49.409 --> 01:11:53.329
what's happening, in my mind. But, I mean, do

01:11:53.329 --> 01:11:55.329
you think it was a sustainable approach either

01:11:55.329 --> 01:11:59.489
way to, like, at some point, elite coaches are

01:11:59.489 --> 01:12:01.189
going to want to stop taking the job, right?

01:12:02.140 --> 01:12:04.079
Well, it's hypothetical because they'll keep

01:12:04.079 --> 01:12:06.079
getting sacked from other clubs. But the thing

01:12:06.079 --> 01:12:08.920
is, elite coaches always pop up. Exactly. The

01:12:08.920 --> 01:12:11.239
next best thing always comes around and you use

01:12:11.239 --> 01:12:14.520
them for a couple of years, get rid. Next one

01:12:14.520 --> 01:12:19.680
comes around. I guess every club is different.

01:12:20.380 --> 01:12:23.520
Culturally, Arsenal have probably followed more

01:12:23.520 --> 01:12:26.199
like the Ajax or Barcelona model where you give

01:12:26.199 --> 01:12:28.520
coaches time to implement their own philosophy

01:12:28.520 --> 01:12:31.859
and their own style. And you win whatever comes

01:12:31.859 --> 01:12:35.979
in that time, you know. But, Chelsea have won

01:12:35.979 --> 01:12:39.819
two Champions Leagues. I don't care. You don't

01:12:39.819 --> 01:12:42.119
care. Bro, at the end of the day, football is

01:12:42.119 --> 01:12:45.619
about winning. I know. Maybe it is, but I'm saying

01:12:45.619 --> 01:12:47.760
if my team got relegated, I'd still have to support

01:12:47.760 --> 01:12:52.880
them. If I was supporting Exeter, or whoever

01:12:52.880 --> 01:12:55.239
said he played there, got popped 10 -0, I would

01:12:55.239 --> 01:12:58.050
want them... to move up the divisions and win

01:12:58.050 --> 01:12:59.710
the Champions League. Win the Premier League,

01:12:59.770 --> 01:13:01.909
then win the Champions League, right? Because

01:13:01.909 --> 01:13:05.229
that's just, I believe, yes, there's the journey,

01:13:05.310 --> 01:13:08.289
but at the end of the journey, you need to be

01:13:08.289 --> 01:13:11.350
progressing every year. But I wouldn't, like,

01:13:11.489 --> 01:13:15.710
part of the reason I supported Arsenal was because,

01:13:15.970 --> 01:13:19.470
well, stayed supporting them, like, consciously.

01:13:19.750 --> 01:13:22.430
Because when I was a kid, my favourite players

01:13:22.430 --> 01:13:26.869
were, like, Henry. And then Brazilian Ronaldo.

01:13:27.489 --> 01:13:31.670
So I used to support Real Madrid and Arsenal.

01:13:32.989 --> 01:13:36.229
And once they signed Cristiano Ronaldo... It

01:13:36.229 --> 01:13:39.250
was over. It was over. Love affair ended. No,

01:13:39.250 --> 01:13:42.090
I'm kidding. That wasn't the reason. But the

01:13:42.090 --> 01:13:44.789
reason I chose Arsenal on a personal level was

01:13:44.789 --> 01:13:50.010
because I liked the way Wenger spoke. Like, I

01:13:50.010 --> 01:13:53.350
read a lot. When he did interviews, it seemed

01:13:53.350 --> 01:13:56.649
like something out of literature. I liked the

01:13:56.649 --> 01:13:58.710
way that he was very patient with players. He

01:13:58.710 --> 01:14:00.930
would take players that didn't work out here

01:14:00.930 --> 01:14:02.930
and there, didn't work out at other clubs, give

01:14:02.930 --> 01:14:06.050
them a chance. He turned Dennis Bergkamp and

01:14:06.050 --> 01:14:08.170
Henry into some of the best players in the world.

01:14:08.189 --> 01:14:11.029
In a lot of ways, Arteta's more defensive -minded,

01:14:11.069 --> 01:14:13.930
but he's doing the same thing. He's taking players

01:14:13.930 --> 01:14:17.970
that need a second chance and trying to put them

01:14:17.970 --> 01:14:22.640
in his system. I would rather win that way than

01:14:22.640 --> 01:14:26.640
win the Chelsea way. I'm jealous of you guys,

01:14:26.819 --> 01:14:29.380
the way you guys have won and won the Champions

01:14:29.380 --> 01:14:31.640
League. I'm not jealous of Chelsea or Man City.

01:14:32.260 --> 01:14:35.020
Fair enough. Do you have any other thoughts about

01:14:35.020 --> 01:14:37.060
the managerial merry -go -round? Is there any

01:14:37.060 --> 01:14:39.979
other managers that I perhaps forgot you want

01:14:39.979 --> 01:14:43.880
to mention? Well, I just feel bad for Maresca,

01:14:44.020 --> 01:14:50.189
I think. He hasn't done much wrong. You get sacked

01:14:50.189 --> 01:14:53.609
six months after winning the first iteration

01:14:53.609 --> 01:14:57.130
of a competition that will probably go on to

01:14:57.130 --> 01:14:59.909
be one of the big football competitions in the

01:14:59.909 --> 01:15:03.609
future. I do wonder why he got sacked. They cited

01:15:03.609 --> 01:15:07.890
poor form. They had won like one in eight. But

01:15:07.890 --> 01:15:10.869
that's not poor enough form to sack a manager,

01:15:10.970 --> 01:15:15.520
I don't think. And I think he... By every metric

01:15:15.520 --> 01:15:17.939
since he's been in Chelsea, he's been one of

01:15:17.939 --> 01:15:20.479
the best coaches in the world. So it doesn't

01:15:20.479 --> 01:15:22.600
make sense to sack him. I thought there might

01:15:22.600 --> 01:15:26.439
be some sort of behind -the -scenes issues he

01:15:26.439 --> 01:15:28.659
may have had with the board. And he questioned

01:15:28.659 --> 01:15:31.680
them publicly, which maybe Todd Bowley didn't

01:15:31.680 --> 01:15:34.039
like or Iqbali didn't like. I don't know. Yeah,

01:15:34.079 --> 01:15:37.000
I have no idea. So those are my thoughts about

01:15:37.000 --> 01:15:39.520
the managers at the moment. And, I mean, obviously

01:15:39.520 --> 01:15:42.760
with Man United. We both don't like them, but

01:15:42.760 --> 01:15:47.380
what do you think would be the way forward for

01:15:47.380 --> 01:15:50.859
them? I did like Carrick at Middlesbrough. I

01:15:50.859 --> 01:15:52.439
don't think he's going to get the job long term.

01:15:52.960 --> 01:15:55.520
Again, a back three coach, but he seemed like

01:15:55.520 --> 01:15:58.399
a decent proponent of the back three. I don't

01:15:58.399 --> 01:16:02.399
know much about him. With regards to Emer, I

01:16:02.399 --> 01:16:08.100
am astounded. Sad that he's left. I am astounded.

01:16:08.810 --> 01:16:12.470
At the stupidity of United fans. They finished

01:16:12.470 --> 01:16:16.029
15th. And people still wanted him as the manager.

01:16:17.130 --> 01:16:22.430
15th. In our banter era. We finished 8th. And

01:16:22.430 --> 01:16:25.170
it was like. All the Liverpool forums were like.

01:16:25.289 --> 01:16:27.489
Oh my god. How will we ever recover from finishing

01:16:27.489 --> 01:16:31.390
8th. It's so embarrassing. We'll never come back.

01:16:31.489 --> 01:16:34.270
I mean we finished 5th. When I stopped watching

01:16:34.270 --> 01:16:39.220
games. The standards at United. Are just. Below

01:16:39.220 --> 01:16:41.680
the floor. It's like quicksand. Everything is

01:16:41.680 --> 01:16:45.020
just going inside there. It's hilarious. But

01:16:45.020 --> 01:16:49.399
where do you think it comes from? Because they

01:16:49.399 --> 01:16:52.520
have a new board now, but it seems like the same

01:16:52.520 --> 01:16:55.199
old United since Ferguson left. I don't want

01:16:55.199 --> 01:16:59.100
to be a dick, but I will be. United fans are

01:16:59.100 --> 01:17:02.020
glory hunters. Not everyone. Majority of them.

01:17:02.420 --> 01:17:05.359
And I would say City fans in, say, 10 years from

01:17:05.359 --> 01:17:10.340
now. The thing is... When you're young, you just,

01:17:10.520 --> 01:17:12.899
well, most people just support whoever's winning,

01:17:13.039 --> 01:17:15.800
right? So I think there's a bunch of clueless

01:17:15.800 --> 01:17:18.300
United fans that just like United because they

01:17:18.300 --> 01:17:21.060
were winning. And they have a very loud voice

01:17:21.060 --> 01:17:24.500
within the... Entitlement. No, no, no, within

01:17:24.500 --> 01:17:27.500
the fan base. They don't have entitlement. That's

01:17:27.500 --> 01:17:30.680
my problem. They're willing to accept mediocrity

01:17:30.680 --> 01:17:34.619
when, objectively, Man United is the second biggest

01:17:34.619 --> 01:17:37.029
team in England. right? One of the biggest teams

01:17:37.029 --> 01:17:40.630
in the world. They have 18 league titles, three

01:17:40.630 --> 01:17:44.970
Champions Leagues. They are a massive club. Financially,

01:17:44.970 --> 01:17:47.289
the biggest, I think, in the world. The minimum

01:17:47.289 --> 01:17:49.630
should be competing for the title every year.

01:17:49.930 --> 01:17:53.659
Minimum. They should be, you know... competing

01:17:53.659 --> 01:17:55.899
for Champions League, competing for titles every

01:17:55.899 --> 01:17:58.340
year. The fact that they're satisfied with keeping

01:17:58.340 --> 01:18:00.500
a manager who finished 15th. The fact that they

01:18:00.500 --> 01:18:02.279
were satisfied with keeping a manager who lost

01:18:02.279 --> 01:18:05.880
7 -0. The fact that they were satisfied with

01:18:05.880 --> 01:18:09.239
Oli Solskjaer until Ronaldo came and ruined the

01:18:09.239 --> 01:18:16.279
project. It's bizarre to me. And where do they

01:18:16.279 --> 01:18:19.979
go from here? I guess to some degree you could

01:18:19.979 --> 01:18:22.020
say they were patient with Amorim if they had

01:18:22.020 --> 01:18:24.680
a top coach and they were that patient with him.

01:18:25.020 --> 01:18:28.479
But how much does the... You judge on fundamentals,

01:18:28.840 --> 01:18:34.739
right? Amorim, he didn't understand why, you

01:18:34.739 --> 01:18:37.319
know, like against Burnley, they were playing

01:18:37.319 --> 01:18:41.569
a back three. And when you need a... a goal you

01:18:41.569 --> 01:18:43.649
put men forward, right? Didn't he say something

01:18:43.649 --> 01:18:46.010
like he was brought here to be the manager and

01:18:46.010 --> 01:18:48.949
not the coach, which is ridiculous for someone

01:18:48.949 --> 01:18:51.569
who is constantly talking about his defense.

01:18:51.989 --> 01:18:54.210
He was sacked due to comments he made in the

01:18:54.210 --> 01:18:57.189
media, not because of his performance. And that

01:18:57.189 --> 01:19:02.710
tells me how stupid Inyos is as well, that they

01:19:02.710 --> 01:19:06.630
would accept that. Because the thing is, how

01:19:06.630 --> 01:19:11.010
bad is their squad? They have a good squad. So

01:19:11.010 --> 01:19:13.149
then if the squad building isn't that bad...

01:19:13.149 --> 01:19:15.270
They have a top eight squad, let's say that.

01:19:15.470 --> 01:19:18.329
So the squad building falls off at the level

01:19:18.329 --> 01:19:21.250
of the coach, I guess. What are they also looking

01:19:21.250 --> 01:19:25.449
for? Yes, man. For example, Mbwemo. I think that's

01:19:25.449 --> 01:19:27.869
a good signing, regardless of what system you're

01:19:27.869 --> 01:19:30.130
playing, because he can fit in in many types

01:19:30.130 --> 01:19:33.590
of systems. Right? Konya as well. Good signing.

01:19:33.770 --> 01:19:36.949
Mbwemo's a bit like Salah, though. He is. He

01:19:36.949 --> 01:19:41.630
is a little bit like Salah, but a lot more defensively

01:19:41.630 --> 01:19:46.229
active. Yes, that. I'd like a Mbwemo better.

01:19:46.529 --> 01:19:51.989
I'm not going to lie, bro. I mean, I wish we

01:19:51.989 --> 01:19:55.750
had Salah, so it's hard for me to say. You wish

01:19:55.750 --> 01:19:57.869
you had Salah from five years ago, not watch

01:19:57.869 --> 01:20:00.149
Salah. No, I mean, I wish we had a player with...

01:20:00.590 --> 01:20:04.350
That sort of career. I watched him a lot, so

01:20:04.350 --> 01:20:06.390
I liked him. I don't know. I didn't get frustrated.

01:20:07.050 --> 01:20:10.329
I thought the... My greatest... Okay, we can

01:20:10.329 --> 01:20:13.949
actually... Are we done with managers? What were

01:20:13.949 --> 01:20:15.689
we just saying? Oh, no. I mean, I think we have

01:20:15.689 --> 01:20:18.850
to finish the... Oh, Man United. In isolation,

01:20:18.970 --> 01:20:21.710
the signings that they've made are not bad. Cesco

01:20:21.710 --> 01:20:24.609
is an up -and -coming good striker. He has good

01:20:24.609 --> 01:20:28.270
positional sense. He has some pace on him. You

01:20:28.270 --> 01:20:30.670
know... You shouldn't be buying that type of

01:20:30.670 --> 01:20:35.029
player. You should be buying... Actually, they

01:20:35.029 --> 01:20:36.350
should be buying that type of player, right?

01:20:36.529 --> 01:20:38.270
And they have one of the best hands in the world.

01:20:38.649 --> 01:20:42.470
In Bruno. Yeah. Right? But they not make... MRM's

01:20:42.470 --> 01:20:45.409
system was not making use of Bruno. You know?

01:20:45.630 --> 01:20:49.069
So... MRM was just a wrong foot all the way around.

01:20:49.170 --> 01:20:52.750
And I believe it was Ineos' pride that they didn't

01:20:52.750 --> 01:20:55.869
want to admit that they made a wrong decision.

01:20:56.789 --> 01:21:01.149
Yeah. So... yeah united are just a mess and i

01:21:01.149 --> 01:21:03.350
kind of love it but not kind of i do love it

01:21:03.350 --> 01:21:09.109
the squad is good or decent like uh i guess if

01:21:09.109 --> 01:21:11.710
they make the right managerial appointment can

01:21:11.710 --> 01:21:15.069
it can it like paper over the cracks which would

01:21:15.069 --> 01:21:18.289
be good for everyone else because let's just

01:21:18.289 --> 01:21:23.390
say everyone like kind of rated Ten Hag highly

01:21:23.390 --> 01:21:25.590
before he took that job. Not a lot of people

01:21:25.590 --> 01:21:29.430
watched Ajax. I watched Ajax that season in the

01:21:29.430 --> 01:21:31.649
Champions League and I saw that they were very

01:21:31.649 --> 01:21:36.710
easy to play against. They just had... Frankie

01:21:36.710 --> 01:21:38.909
de Jong was exceptional that season and Donny

01:21:38.909 --> 01:21:41.310
van de Beek. So they kind of always created more

01:21:41.310 --> 01:21:43.989
chances than their opponents and that benefited

01:21:43.989 --> 01:21:47.880
them. You could see it was kind of a one -season

01:21:47.880 --> 01:21:50.939
thing. If you took De Jong out of their team,

01:21:50.939 --> 01:21:54.579
they were going to lose a lot of games. I think

01:21:54.579 --> 01:21:57.239
if Thomas Tuchel comes and takes over United,

01:21:57.479 --> 01:22:01.039
not a single player change, they will finish

01:22:01.039 --> 01:22:05.630
top four. Yeah, and what do you think... So then

01:22:05.630 --> 01:22:08.210
that's, I guess, the difference. I think they

01:22:08.210 --> 01:22:11.649
have a top four squad. I don't think they have

01:22:11.649 --> 01:22:13.829
a top four squad. I just think Tuchel will get

01:22:13.829 --> 01:22:17.069
so much value out of the players that they will

01:22:17.069 --> 01:22:23.130
end up top four. But then it's like the same

01:22:23.130 --> 01:22:27.390
thing could be said of Chelsea if they had made

01:22:27.390 --> 01:22:31.060
the right... There's no saying that Liam Rossignol

01:22:31.060 --> 01:22:33.300
won't be the right choice, but... Like I said,

01:22:33.340 --> 01:22:35.460
I have no idea about him. I don't want to speak

01:22:35.460 --> 01:22:37.199
about him because I have no... I don't want to

01:22:37.199 --> 01:22:39.260
talk from a place of ignorance, but let's say

01:22:39.260 --> 01:22:41.420
if he is the right choice, if he turns out to

01:22:41.420 --> 01:22:44.859
be an elite coach, then Chelsea could also...

01:22:44.859 --> 01:22:47.199
They have a squad that... I'm not talking...

01:22:47.199 --> 01:22:49.600
Whether he works out or not, I'm saying it's

01:22:49.600 --> 01:22:53.260
a risk. Right? We have no evidence for Liam Rossignol

01:22:53.260 --> 01:22:56.199
at the top club. Tuchel, it's less of a risk

01:22:56.199 --> 01:22:59.470
because he's been a success at a top club. Would

01:22:59.470 --> 01:23:01.390
you say it's a guarantee, though? It's not a

01:23:01.390 --> 01:23:03.909
guarantee. I'm just playing the numbers. If it's

01:23:03.909 --> 01:23:06.449
a 10 % this person's going to fail, and there's

01:23:06.449 --> 01:23:08.670
50 % that this person's going to fail, you're

01:23:08.670 --> 01:23:11.270
obviously going to take the 10%, because it's

01:23:11.270 --> 01:23:14.569
a lower... If you're just playing numbers. It's

01:23:14.569 --> 01:23:18.090
been a weird kind of banter era, I guess, for

01:23:18.090 --> 01:23:21.520
Man United, because... They've won a lot of things

01:23:21.520 --> 01:23:24.279
during that era. They've won a couple of FA Cups,

01:23:24.460 --> 01:23:27.319
I think the Europa League, more than the average

01:23:27.319 --> 01:23:29.880
club that goes through a banter era. When we

01:23:29.880 --> 01:23:33.960
went through it, we won absolutely nothing. They're

01:23:33.960 --> 01:23:39.500
still a huge club. Like you said, they can naturally

01:23:39.500 --> 01:23:47.899
attract players of their name. If Jose Mourinho

01:23:47.899 --> 01:23:50.659
went there... And the best he could do is second.

01:23:50.840 --> 01:23:53.439
I think he got like 87 points or something. I

01:23:53.439 --> 01:23:56.880
mean, Pep Guardiola is obviously going to finish

01:23:56.880 --> 01:24:02.520
second. But I think it eventually got unworkable

01:24:02.520 --> 01:24:04.800
for him. Whether that happens at every club or

01:24:04.800 --> 01:24:08.739
not, it's another question. But I think he's

01:24:08.739 --> 01:24:10.979
really the only elite coach they've had recently.

01:24:11.319 --> 01:24:14.560
So I understand what you're saying about Thomas

01:24:14.560 --> 01:24:19.010
Tuchel. But then is the job going to... like,

01:24:19.050 --> 01:24:21.229
mess him up the same way it did Mourinho, I guess.

01:24:21.390 --> 01:24:25.770
Is that not, like... At United? Yeah. Like, I'm

01:24:25.770 --> 01:24:27.409
saying, like, is he not going to be, like, I

01:24:27.409 --> 01:24:30.390
can get this team to second? What messed up Mourinho?

01:24:31.310 --> 01:24:34.210
Like, I think whatever happened, I'm not sure.

01:24:34.289 --> 01:24:37.210
Like, the team fell out of form, but there's...

01:24:37.210 --> 01:24:42.229
It's very odd that, like, the team went from

01:24:42.229 --> 01:24:45.210
finishing second to, like, being so out of form.

01:24:45.390 --> 01:24:48.369
And... He was questioning the board and all of

01:24:48.369 --> 01:24:52.569
that went hand in hand. I don't know what happened

01:24:52.569 --> 01:24:55.670
behind the scenes, but I think the board can

01:24:55.670 --> 01:24:59.989
make things unworkable for a coach to where the

01:24:59.989 --> 01:25:02.510
squad can be divided, players can turn against

01:25:02.510 --> 01:25:04.770
each other, turn against the coach, and then

01:25:04.770 --> 01:25:06.670
all of a sudden you have an environment where

01:25:06.670 --> 01:25:09.510
even an elite coach is looking beneath their

01:25:09.510 --> 01:25:11.949
best. Well, we've got to wrap up soon, but I

01:25:11.949 --> 01:25:16.380
just want to throw out one rogue name. into the

01:25:16.380 --> 01:25:19.380
managerial merry -go -round, would you take them

01:25:19.380 --> 01:25:23.739
at any club? His name is Jose Mourinho. It depends.

01:25:24.119 --> 01:25:27.939
I read an article today that said Florentino

01:25:27.939 --> 01:25:31.279
Perez is looking at getting Mourinho back. I

01:25:31.279 --> 01:25:34.680
think he could do well in that. Well, it depends

01:25:34.680 --> 01:25:38.380
what the expectation is because in that specific

01:25:38.380 --> 01:25:41.079
instance, I don't think he would be a good replacement

01:25:41.079 --> 01:25:44.460
because I think Barcelona are going to be...

01:25:44.909 --> 01:25:47.649
one of the best teams in the world under Hansi

01:25:47.649 --> 01:25:50.649
Flick and I think that that being the direct

01:25:50.649 --> 01:25:54.090
competition just like he did with Guardiola the

01:25:54.090 --> 01:25:56.050
last time he couldn't compete even though he

01:25:56.050 --> 01:25:58.229
probably put together at that time the second

01:25:58.229 --> 01:26:02.149
best team in the world and I guess the other

01:26:02.149 --> 01:26:05.789
one we can talk about before we close is because

01:26:05.789 --> 01:26:07.630
I don't think he's going to last very long is

01:26:07.630 --> 01:26:13.239
Thomas Frank I'm very I completely misjudged

01:26:13.239 --> 01:26:15.800
that one. I thought he would do well. Same, bro.

01:26:16.220 --> 01:26:18.279
His throwing coach is currently above him in

01:26:18.279 --> 01:26:21.500
the table. That's the crazy thing. It's not looking

01:26:21.500 --> 01:26:25.720
good, bro. I also got it very wrong. Watching

01:26:25.720 --> 01:26:29.699
Thomas Frank on TV where he breaks down tactics

01:26:29.699 --> 01:26:33.479
and he seems so knowledgeable and so like with

01:26:33.479 --> 01:26:35.819
it and then he gets to Spurs and he just seems

01:26:35.819 --> 01:26:39.770
so out of his depth. And that's why I... Frank

01:26:39.770 --> 01:26:43.449
at Spurs is what made me less bullish on Glasner.

01:26:43.989 --> 01:26:46.689
So if you were Tottenham, where do you go from

01:26:46.689 --> 01:26:48.229
here? Because he's definitely going to get sacked,

01:26:48.310 --> 01:26:50.750
let's be honest, probably even maybe by the time

01:26:50.750 --> 01:26:58.909
this episode comes out. What are Spurs' aims?

01:26:59.630 --> 01:27:02.310
I think this season, last season they got lucky.

01:27:02.470 --> 01:27:04.529
They're definitely not a Champions League level

01:27:04.529 --> 01:27:06.949
team and there's no way they qualify for it again.

01:27:08.590 --> 01:27:11.829
Just thinking in terms of a Spurs fan, in the

01:27:11.829 --> 01:27:14.130
next two years, I want to get back in the Champions

01:27:14.130 --> 01:27:18.130
League. Qualifying through finishing top five,

01:27:18.210 --> 01:27:22.989
right? Who is going to take the squad and get

01:27:22.989 --> 01:27:29.989
the most out of it? Conte is out of the... For

01:27:29.989 --> 01:27:33.149
me, someone I would go for out of left field.

01:27:34.000 --> 01:27:36.739
I know he'd re -sign for Juventus, but I would

01:27:36.739 --> 01:27:39.479
go for Spalletti. If Tottenham could prize him

01:27:39.479 --> 01:27:41.100
out of any club, I would want him at Arsenal.

01:27:41.159 --> 01:27:43.039
He's probably one of my favourite coaches in

01:27:43.039 --> 01:27:46.460
the world. Spalletti is a... Let's put up with

01:27:46.460 --> 01:27:53.140
that. Right. Last thing I wanted to say... Oh,

01:27:53.239 --> 01:27:57.319
Alonso. That spurs. That could work as well.

01:27:57.479 --> 01:28:01.640
I think that would be his level. Or the stepping

01:28:01.640 --> 01:28:06.050
stone to... where he wants to go. But I think

01:28:06.050 --> 01:28:10.989
his reputation is higher than Spurs. Than Spurs,

01:28:11.010 --> 01:28:14.050
yeah. I think maybe even Man City might be looking

01:28:14.050 --> 01:28:18.090
at Alonso. What if... I mean, it could also be

01:28:18.090 --> 01:28:20.229
that Man City try to get Kompany and he goes

01:28:20.229 --> 01:28:23.689
to Bayern. Kompany is another fraud. I don't

01:28:23.689 --> 01:28:26.350
like him. Constantly outlasted in big games.

01:28:27.289 --> 01:28:29.529
I'm thinking about the inter -game last season

01:28:29.529 --> 01:28:33.909
over two legs. Yeah, but Inter were very good

01:28:33.909 --> 01:28:36.810
at the time. Whatever the case is, every time

01:28:36.810 --> 01:28:39.689
I see Kofi against a big club, I just think this

01:28:39.689 --> 01:28:42.850
guy's getting cooked. Well, I mean, he beat Chelsea

01:28:42.850 --> 01:28:45.710
this year and they do well against the big teams.

01:28:45.890 --> 01:28:50.329
He lost to us. Is Enzo Maresca like a super elite

01:28:50.329 --> 01:28:54.409
manager? He's young in the game. Yeah, he's young

01:28:54.409 --> 01:28:56.430
in the game, but I would say he's always company.

01:28:57.390 --> 01:28:59.289
You can't judge either of them. But I understand

01:28:59.289 --> 01:29:01.010
what Bayern are doing, if they're going to give

01:29:01.010 --> 01:29:03.890
him time. I don't like him at Burnley. I don't

01:29:03.890 --> 01:29:07.170
like him at Bayern. I don't like him as a man

01:29:07.170 --> 01:29:09.710
manager. I think that seems to be a big problem

01:29:09.710 --> 01:29:17.270
of his. But he has an idea. My thing is, I think

01:29:17.270 --> 01:29:21.609
Man City might go for him out of loyalty. Or

01:29:21.609 --> 01:29:25.449
affinity, I think that's the word. So we're done

01:29:25.449 --> 01:29:29.140
here. managers speaking about managers yeah the

01:29:29.140 --> 01:29:32.619
last maybe like two minutes I just want to chat

01:29:32.619 --> 01:29:37.060
about Afghan Salah got knocked out I've been

01:29:37.060 --> 01:29:40.420
told that Salah he didn't get knocked out there's

01:29:40.420 --> 01:29:42.619
still a third and fourth place playoff okay I

01:29:42.619 --> 01:29:45.539
don't give a fuck right fuck Salah fuck Egypt

01:29:46.509 --> 01:29:49.409
I kept getting told that actually it's Salah

01:29:49.409 --> 01:29:51.829
that's carrying this whole Liverpool team. If

01:29:51.829 --> 01:29:56.909
Salah falls apart, Salah cannot be benched. Because

01:29:56.909 --> 01:29:59.470
if Salah is benched, that means we're benching

01:29:59.470 --> 01:30:02.149
our best player. And how is the season going

01:30:02.149 --> 01:30:05.029
compared to last season? Let me tell you this.

01:30:05.229 --> 01:30:07.670
We had an unbeaten run since he left to AFCON.

01:30:08.270 --> 01:30:11.109
Take that into consideration. You won't mention

01:30:11.109 --> 01:30:15.430
that, will you? I'm just saying I like him. And

01:30:15.430 --> 01:30:17.489
if we win the Champions League, let's say...

01:30:17.489 --> 01:30:20.170
I knew this was going to become a debate about

01:30:20.170 --> 01:30:23.069
Salah, but who is the best Premier League winger

01:30:23.069 --> 01:30:29.569
of all time? At the moment. Of all time. Maybe

01:30:29.569 --> 01:30:34.449
Henry? No. Why no? He doesn't... He didn't do

01:30:34.449 --> 01:30:36.289
much as a winger. Didn't he join as a winger?

01:30:36.609 --> 01:30:38.750
Yeah, but he didn't do much as a winger. His

01:30:38.750 --> 01:30:42.960
first season was quiet. I mean, if you're going

01:30:42.960 --> 01:30:47.560
to take two seasons, yeah. As a peak, yeah. As

01:30:47.560 --> 01:30:52.000
a peak Ronaldo. He's won more at United than

01:30:52.000 --> 01:30:55.619
Salah won at Liverpool. Yeah, he wasn't the key

01:30:55.619 --> 01:30:57.539
player though. Wayne Rooney was arguably the

01:30:57.539 --> 01:31:01.439
key player. Doesn't matter. Yeah, no, I'm saying

01:31:01.439 --> 01:31:05.460
Salah was the fundamental player. It devalues

01:31:05.460 --> 01:31:08.760
Milner's titles because he wasn't the main player.

01:31:09.359 --> 01:31:12.779
It doesn't devalue it, but I think it's like

01:31:12.779 --> 01:31:16.920
Ronaldo wasn't playing with the same level of

01:31:16.920 --> 01:31:21.600
expectation as Salah. In my opinion. At Man United.

01:31:22.020 --> 01:31:24.439
I just think you make all these excuses for Salah.

01:31:24.520 --> 01:31:29.439
He's just, he's a good player. Legend is a strong

01:31:29.439 --> 01:31:31.239
word. They're telling me he's better than Gerrard.

01:31:31.779 --> 01:31:33.920
These people who've never supported this club,

01:31:34.020 --> 01:31:36.500
that are here just because Salah is at the club.

01:31:36.750 --> 01:31:39.989
are telling me he's better than Gerrard. I cannot

01:31:39.989 --> 01:31:42.229
abide that. That's a biased personal debate.

01:31:42.229 --> 01:31:44.369
That's not biased. Gerrard's a better player

01:31:44.369 --> 01:31:46.850
than Salah. It doesn't matter position. Overall

01:31:46.850 --> 01:31:51.050
player. And the same way you were saying it's

01:31:51.050 --> 01:31:53.369
unfair to compare this and that player. No, fuck

01:31:53.369 --> 01:31:55.270
the comparison. Gerrard's better than Salah.

01:31:55.329 --> 01:31:58.510
And Salah is much better than Shurkey as of right

01:31:58.510 --> 01:32:02.109
now. As a footballer, Shurkey has a lot to do

01:32:02.109 --> 01:32:04.529
to prove himself to be anything close to Salah.

01:32:05.930 --> 01:32:08.489
Whatever. I really didn't give a fuck about AFCON

01:32:08.489 --> 01:32:12.829
since Bafana were knocked out. The one thing

01:32:12.829 --> 01:32:16.170
I can say is that the standard of football has

01:32:16.170 --> 01:32:20.949
come on a long way. In AFCON? In AFCON. Yeah,

01:32:20.989 --> 01:32:26.310
in AFCON. It's the best AFCON I've watched so

01:32:26.310 --> 01:32:29.850
far. I haven't watched all the games, but...

01:32:31.369 --> 01:32:33.970
The games I've watched, the Morocco -Nigeria

01:32:33.970 --> 01:32:37.789
game was really good, I think. Morocco look like

01:32:37.789 --> 01:32:43.430
a competent team with an idea, like a philosophy

01:32:43.430 --> 01:32:48.569
and an idea. I think they can be a team that

01:32:48.569 --> 01:32:55.310
pushes the envelope a bit for Africa in the World

01:32:55.310 --> 01:32:59.159
Cup, like they did at the last World Cup. Things

01:32:59.159 --> 01:33:03.500
are looking good on that end, I would say. Okay,

01:33:03.539 --> 01:33:06.539
just to wrap everything up that we are talking

01:33:06.539 --> 01:33:09.859
about. The name I was going to mention with Doku

01:33:09.859 --> 01:33:13.020
is Spalletti. Because it was Spalletti who was

01:33:13.020 --> 01:33:14.920
the one who turned Salah into an elite winger

01:33:14.920 --> 01:33:19.579
at Roma. Spalletti is the one who turned Ferret

01:33:19.579 --> 01:33:23.560
Scalia into an elite winger at Napoli. Spalletti

01:33:23.560 --> 01:33:27.470
with wingers is cash money, right? And I was

01:33:27.470 --> 01:33:29.949
thinking, Doku with Spalletti, if he went on

01:33:29.949 --> 01:33:32.470
loan to Juventus, maybe that would straighten

01:33:32.470 --> 01:33:36.489
him out. I don't know. Spalletti is probably

01:33:36.489 --> 01:33:40.630
my favorite coach in the world, outside of Pep

01:33:40.630 --> 01:33:45.090
Guardiola. I love him as a person, and that affects

01:33:45.090 --> 01:33:49.720
my idea of his football. In a way, it's weird

01:33:49.720 --> 01:33:51.899
because I'm probably one of Arteta's biggest

01:33:51.899 --> 01:33:55.319
defenders, but he's the anti -Arteta in a lot

01:33:55.319 --> 01:33:57.439
of ways. He's not practical. He's not practical.

01:33:57.659 --> 01:34:01.539
You play 10 -1 formation. 10 -1. Oh, 10 -0, sorry.

01:34:01.699 --> 01:34:06.760
Everything is chaotic. The players are bunched

01:34:06.760 --> 01:34:10.399
up close together half the time and relies a

01:34:10.399 --> 01:34:14.159
lot on individual brilliance. But I think the

01:34:14.159 --> 01:34:17.880
thing I liked about Arteta... I have an affinity

01:34:17.880 --> 01:34:21.800
for revolutionary thinking. When Arteta came

01:34:21.800 --> 01:34:25.720
into Arsenal, to come in and play defensive football

01:34:25.720 --> 01:34:31.520
is revolutionary, given Arsenal's history of

01:34:31.520 --> 01:34:33.779
attacking football. People can say that, OK,

01:34:34.020 --> 01:34:36.239
you don't go back, you don't play defensive football.

01:34:36.520 --> 01:34:39.939
But I think Simeone, for example, let's take

01:34:39.939 --> 01:34:43.380
Simeone. Atletico Madrid were probably about

01:34:43.380 --> 01:34:48.250
to get relegated when they employed him. I disagree

01:34:48.250 --> 01:34:51.289
with that. When Simeone came in? I'm pretty sure

01:34:51.289 --> 01:34:53.930
they won the Europa League before they signed

01:34:53.930 --> 01:34:55.489
him. No, they won the Europa League after they

01:34:55.489 --> 01:34:58.449
signed him. Okay, Karen speaking. I'm going to

01:34:58.449 --> 01:35:02.970
Google that. Yeah, you were saying? Yeah, I mean,

01:35:02.989 --> 01:35:09.970
I think in terms of the... Yeah, when did they

01:35:09.970 --> 01:35:13.170
win it? In 06, right? What? The Europa League,

01:35:13.250 --> 01:35:16.680
the UEFA Cup. No, no, 2011. Oh yeah, he was there

01:35:16.680 --> 01:35:20.760
in 2011, right? Definitely. Wow, I'm fact -checking

01:35:20.760 --> 01:35:23.600
you now. We'll see. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

01:35:24.960 --> 01:35:35.319
In terms of... What's up? Just loading. Was I

01:35:35.319 --> 01:35:39.840
wrong? It's loading! I might have been wrong,

01:35:39.880 --> 01:35:42.859
but in terms of... I think they had to change

01:35:42.859 --> 01:35:46.319
their brand of football to... I think even before

01:35:46.319 --> 01:35:51.199
he came in, maybe they were defensive, but Chelsea,

01:35:51.380 --> 01:35:53.960
for example, I think they had played expensive

01:35:53.960 --> 01:35:56.239
football under Ranieri, from what I understand,

01:35:56.560 --> 01:35:59.699
and it wasn't working out. Mourinho came in.

01:36:01.779 --> 01:36:05.380
Porto. Mourinho's work at Porto can be considered

01:36:05.380 --> 01:36:11.779
revolutionary. So, Capello. Going back to those

01:36:11.779 --> 01:36:13.920
days, I didn't watch much, but Capello was the...

01:36:14.699 --> 01:36:19.159
Probably one of the biggest proponents of catenatrial

01:36:19.159 --> 01:36:26.159
football. Yeah. So... Yeah. So they won the Europa

01:36:26.159 --> 01:36:29.880
League in 2010. And Simeone joined in 2011. Oh,

01:36:29.880 --> 01:36:33.199
okay. Who was the coach in 2010? Kike Sanchez

01:36:33.199 --> 01:36:38.699
Flores. Former Watford. Yeah, I remember him.

01:36:41.659 --> 01:36:45.510
But either way, I think... that it's the first

01:36:45.510 --> 01:36:50.109
time that they've been consistently, I would

01:36:50.109 --> 01:36:53.430
say, like a club that's performed, been amongst

01:36:53.430 --> 01:36:58.270
Europe's elite, as long as I can remember. I

01:36:58.270 --> 01:37:00.210
don't remember Atletico Madrid being there. I

01:37:00.210 --> 01:37:03.109
remember Valencia being there, and Rafa Benitez,

01:37:03.250 --> 01:37:05.850
who was also a defensive coach, and that was

01:37:05.850 --> 01:37:08.229
revolutionary. I mean, Rafa Benitez won the Champions

01:37:08.229 --> 01:37:11.140
League with you guys playing. defensiveness is

01:37:11.140 --> 01:37:13.819
not revolutionary i'm sick of what this what

01:37:13.819 --> 01:37:17.340
you're saying right defensiveness is a coward's

01:37:17.340 --> 01:37:20.500
tactic i disagree but i think there's different

01:37:20.500 --> 01:37:23.140
traits it's like you can't make everything technical

01:37:23.140 --> 01:37:25.359
some players are defensive i just think attack

01:37:25.359 --> 01:37:29.539
attack attack and that's uh that doesn't make

01:37:29.539 --> 01:37:31.840
sense to think that and then say that guardiola

01:37:31.840 --> 01:37:36.569
is better than clock Correale has been a good

01:37:36.569 --> 01:37:39.149
club. The trophy is tell the story, bro. Because

01:37:39.149 --> 01:37:44.909
he cared about defending. Oh, whatever. I'm done

01:37:44.909 --> 01:37:48.409
here. Do you want to end the episode? I'm good.

01:37:48.649 --> 01:37:51.850
Alright, thank you for listening. Please remember

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