WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.459 Welcome to the Read Multiplex podcast and a massive 00:00:03.459 --> 00:00:05.599 welcome to all of you joining us for this deep 00:00:05.599 --> 00:00:08.900 dive today. Yeah, it's great to be here for this 00:00:08.900 --> 00:00:10.820 one. It really is. We are jumping right into 00:00:10.820 --> 00:00:13.039 something that, well, I honestly think it's going 00:00:13.039 --> 00:00:15.730 to fundamentally shift how you view. the next 00:00:15.730 --> 00:00:17.929 few decades of your life. Absolutely. Because 00:00:17.929 --> 00:00:20.109 today we are looking at a roadmap for the future. 00:00:20.329 --> 00:00:25.410 And I want to set a very clear, incredibly optimistic 00:00:25.410 --> 00:00:27.789 and visionary tone right from the jump here. 00:00:27.850 --> 00:00:30.190 Right. We aren't here to doom scroll today. Exactly. 00:00:30.269 --> 00:00:33.170 No doom scrolling. We're here to talk about a 00:00:33.170 --> 00:00:37.289 future of absolute unbridled human triumph. Our 00:00:37.289 --> 00:00:40.070 deep dive today centers entirely on Brian's extraordinary 00:00:40.070 --> 00:00:43.369 read multiplex article. It's titled The Heroic 00:00:43.369 --> 00:00:46.189 Ascent from the Abundant Sink. Yes. And it's 00:00:46.189 --> 00:00:48.409 this crucial piece of the You Have 5 ,000 Days 00:00:48.409 --> 00:00:51.750 series. It's specifically part 17. It tackles 00:00:51.750 --> 00:00:53.390 what happens when we reach the end of work as 00:00:53.390 --> 00:00:56.070 we know it. Which is a heavy topic. It is. But 00:00:56.070 --> 00:00:58.409 to get to this breathtaking vision of the future 00:00:58.409 --> 00:01:01.609 that Brian lays out, we have to start by confronting 00:01:01.609 --> 00:01:04.439 a trap. A very famous trap. A heavily misunderstood 00:01:04.439 --> 00:01:07.040 trap that you listening have almost certainly 00:01:07.040 --> 00:01:08.980 encountered. Have you ever heard of the mouse 00:01:08.980 --> 00:01:11.439 utopia? It's I mean, it's one of those psychological 00:01:11.439 --> 00:01:14.420 and sociological concepts that has just completely 00:01:14.420 --> 00:01:17.159 permeated the cultural groundwater. Oh, yeah, 00:01:17.219 --> 00:01:19.340 totally. Even if you don't know it by name, you 00:01:19.340 --> 00:01:21.739 know, it's shadow. It shapes how policymakers, 00:01:22.239 --> 00:01:26.159 technologists and really just everyday people 00:01:26.159 --> 00:01:29.219 view the whole concept of a post scarcity world. 00:01:29.299 --> 00:01:31.719 Right. And that is exactly our hook for today. 00:01:31.780 --> 00:01:34.400 We have to. knowledge a very realistic hurdle 00:01:34.400 --> 00:01:37.500 here. John B. Calhoun's Universe 25 experiment, 00:01:37.680 --> 00:01:40.700 The Mouse Utopia, is so deeply ingrained in our 00:01:40.700 --> 00:01:43.109 cultural psyche. It's taught everywhere. Everywhere 00:01:43.109 --> 00:01:45.950 is taught in countless college classes. If you 00:01:45.950 --> 00:01:49.670 take a sociology 101 course or psychology or 00:01:49.670 --> 00:01:52.849 urban planning, Universe 25 is almost guaranteed 00:01:52.849 --> 00:01:55.010 to be on the syllabus. And it indirectly inspires 00:01:55.010 --> 00:01:57.569 so many of those dystopian movies and science 00:01:57.569 --> 00:01:59.890 fiction universes we consume. Yeah, it does. 00:02:00.030 --> 00:02:02.250 So we need to spend some time unpacking what 00:02:02.250 --> 00:02:04.730 this experiment actually was. Yeah. Because the 00:02:04.730 --> 00:02:06.790 mainstream takeaway has convinced way too many 00:02:06.790 --> 00:02:09.650 people that a societal collapse due to overabundance 00:02:09.650 --> 00:02:13.599 is just our guarantee. doomed reality. To understand 00:02:13.599 --> 00:02:15.659 the grip this has on our collective imagination, 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:18.120 we really have to look at how Calhoun set it 00:02:18.120 --> 00:02:21.139 up. Walk us through it. So back in the late 1960s 00:02:21.139 --> 00:02:23.419 and early 70s, Calhoun built what he believed 00:02:23.419 --> 00:02:28.000 was a literal paradise for mice. A literal paradise. 00:02:28.280 --> 00:02:31.159 Right. He created this massive enclosure, a 101 00:02:31.159 --> 00:02:34.740 -inch square tank. and he sectioned it into different 00:02:34.740 --> 00:02:36.800 neighborhoods with hundreds of nesting boxes 00:02:36.800 --> 00:02:40.639 okay he provided an infinite supply of food an 00:02:40.639 --> 00:02:43.300 infinite supply of water the temperature was 00:02:43.300 --> 00:02:46.080 perfectly regulated so far he eliminated all 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:49.199 predators and he eliminated disease it was from 00:02:49.199 --> 00:02:52.210 a purely biological standpoint Absolute perfection. 00:02:52.530 --> 00:02:55.610 Wow. Yeah. And he introduced four pairs of healthy 00:02:55.610 --> 00:02:57.729 mice into this environment and simply watched 00:02:57.729 --> 00:02:59.409 what happened when the struggle for survival 00:02:59.409 --> 00:03:01.810 was completely eradicated. And the result is 00:03:01.810 --> 00:03:04.129 what has terrified people for half a century. 00:03:04.349 --> 00:03:07.050 Terrified is the right word. The population exploded 00:03:07.050 --> 00:03:11.370 at first, doubling every 55 days. Once they hit 00:03:11.370 --> 00:03:13.569 a certain population density, even though there 00:03:13.569 --> 00:03:16.069 was still plenty of physical space and still 00:03:16.069 --> 00:03:18.509 infinite food and water society, just completely 00:03:18.509 --> 00:03:20.710 broke down. It completely unraveled. You had 00:03:20.710 --> 00:03:23.490 hyperviolence. You had mothers abandoning their 00:03:23.490 --> 00:03:26.069 pups. You had mice that would just sleep all 00:03:26.069 --> 00:03:27.969 day and attack anything that came near them. 00:03:28.050 --> 00:03:30.849 Total behavioral sync. Exactly. And eventually 00:03:30.849 --> 00:03:33.110 the population growth just stopped. It flatlined 00:03:33.110 --> 00:03:35.210 and then they all died out. Every single one. 00:03:35.819 --> 00:03:38.280 Because of this, leading voices have conditioned 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:41.219 us to believe that if humans get everything we 00:03:41.219 --> 00:03:44.800 need, like if AI and robotics eventually end 00:03:44.800 --> 00:03:47.599 the struggle for survival and provide total abundance, 00:03:47.819 --> 00:03:50.460 we will just rot from the inside out. We're taught 00:03:50.460 --> 00:03:53.400 that humans literally need the threat of starvation 00:03:53.400 --> 00:03:56.120 to function. Which is incredibly bleak. It is. 00:03:56.199 --> 00:03:59.020 But what's fascinating here is that this widespread, 00:03:59.240 --> 00:04:02.780 culturally accepted doom loop narrative. entirely 00:04:02.780 --> 00:04:05.699 misses the reality of Calhoun's underlying motivations. 00:04:05.960 --> 00:04:07.919 Say more about that. Well, our mission for this 00:04:07.919 --> 00:04:11.060 deep dive is to completely shatter that pessimistic 00:04:11.060 --> 00:04:14.520 illusion. Because, as Brian points out in the 00:04:14.520 --> 00:04:17.839 Red Multiplex article, Calhoun actually had a 00:04:17.839 --> 00:04:20.240 hidden agenda. A hidden agenda. He intentionally 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:23.319 favored alarm over action. He wanted to shock 00:04:23.319 --> 00:04:25.220 the public. Oh, wow. So he was playing to the 00:04:25.220 --> 00:04:27.959 fears of the time. Exactly. Keep in mind the 00:04:27.959 --> 00:04:30.740 era, this was the time of Paul Ehrlich's The 00:04:30.740 --> 00:04:33.740 Population Bomb. There was massive cultural anxiety 00:04:33.740 --> 00:04:36.360 about overpopulation and urban crowding. Right. 00:04:36.439 --> 00:04:39.660 The 70s. Yeah. So Calhoun built a narrative to 00:04:39.660 --> 00:04:41.860 fit that anxiety, but he stopped short of offering 00:04:41.860 --> 00:04:44.220 true remedies. He wanted to ring the alarm bell, 00:04:44.300 --> 00:04:46.360 but he deliberately chose not to build a fire 00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:49.360 escape. Which is incredibly frustrating. It's 00:04:49.360 --> 00:04:51.060 like a doctor handing you a terminal diagnosis 00:04:51.060 --> 00:04:53.480 based on a lab test offering absolutely zero 00:04:53.480 --> 00:04:55.670 treatment plan. And then just walking out of 00:04:55.670 --> 00:04:57.889 the room. It leaves everyone paralyzed. It does. 00:04:57.990 --> 00:05:00.009 It leaves everyone paralyzed. And that is why 00:05:00.009 --> 00:05:02.470 today's deep dive is so vital. We want to make 00:05:02.470 --> 00:05:04.649 it undeniably clear to you that Brian provides 00:05:04.649 --> 00:05:08.009 a much more likely and ultimately much more empowering 00:05:08.009 --> 00:05:10.949 insight into our future. He really does. He isn't 00:05:10.949 --> 00:05:13.569 just pointing at the failing mice. He is handing 00:05:13.569 --> 00:05:16.670 us the blueprints for an ascent out of that trap. 00:05:16.990 --> 00:05:20.290 Precisely. We are going to examine how to navigate 00:05:20.290 --> 00:05:23.110 the end of traditional labor, not with fear. 00:05:23.329 --> 00:05:25.439 Right. and certainly not with the creeping dread 00:05:25.439 --> 00:05:29.899 of becoming obsolete, but as a grand, epic adventure. 00:05:30.160 --> 00:05:32.699 An adventure. I love that framing. We are talking 00:05:32.699 --> 00:05:34.860 about humanity transitioning from a state of 00:05:34.860 --> 00:05:37.680 artificial scarcity into an era where abundance 00:05:37.680 --> 00:05:41.180 fuels human exaltation. But to earn that optimism, 00:05:41.439 --> 00:05:44.220 we have to look reality straight in the eye first. 00:05:44.360 --> 00:05:46.560 We do. We have to look at the warning signs flashing 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:49.279 in our own modern society. Yes, the reality check. 00:05:49.480 --> 00:05:52.360 In the Read Multiplex article, Brian references 00:05:52.360 --> 00:05:55.480 these 15 points of awareness. Right, the 15 points. 00:05:55.680 --> 00:05:57.819 These are essentially parallels that map our 00:05:57.819 --> 00:06:00.399 current societal trends directly to the early 00:06:00.399 --> 00:06:02.800 stages of the Universe 25 collapse. But we need 00:06:02.800 --> 00:06:04.819 to be honest with ourselves and with you listening. 00:06:05.899 --> 00:06:08.660 Many of these 15 points are already playing out 00:06:08.660 --> 00:06:10.620 on some level right now. They absolutely are. 00:06:10.740 --> 00:06:13.540 We're seeing demographic winters with plummeting 00:06:13.540 --> 00:06:15.879 birth rates in post -industrial nations. We're 00:06:15.879 --> 00:06:18.160 seeing the fracturing of local communities. The 00:06:18.160 --> 00:06:21.360 isolation is huge. Yeah. We see the rise of the 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:23.839 hikikomori phenomenon, hundreds of thousands 00:06:23.839 --> 00:06:26.600 of young people completely withdrawing from society, 00:06:26.839 --> 00:06:28.740 locking themselves in their rooms for years. 00:06:28.959 --> 00:06:31.579 Just completely checking out. And we see strange 00:06:31.579 --> 00:06:34.959 behavioral syncs forming in digital spaces, like 00:06:34.959 --> 00:06:37.879 the hyper -aggression on social media that perfectly 00:06:37.879 --> 00:06:41.459 mirrors the random violence of Calhoun's crowded 00:06:41.459 --> 00:06:44.240 mice. The parallels are striking. It can feel 00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:46.100 terrifying when you see it all laid out like 00:06:46.100 --> 00:06:48.139 that. It can, but I want to push back on that 00:06:48.139 --> 00:06:50.199 terror because this is a - crucial distinction 00:06:50.199 --> 00:06:52.579 we need to make right now. Okay. Recognizing 00:06:52.579 --> 00:06:56.240 these 15 points is not a reason to panic. Panicking 00:06:56.240 --> 00:06:58.860 is exactly what the hidden agenda of the original 00:06:58.860 --> 00:07:01.180 experiment wanted us to do. It wanted us to throw 00:07:01.180 --> 00:07:04.779 our hands up in despair. Exactly. Rather, recognizing 00:07:04.779 --> 00:07:07.860 these parallels is about crucial awareness. By 00:07:07.860 --> 00:07:10.079 seeing the parallels clearly, we can actively 00:07:10.079 --> 00:07:13.120 avoid the trap. So it's a diagnostic tool. Yes. 00:07:13.660 --> 00:07:16.120 Think of it like a pilot reading a weather radar. 00:07:16.970 --> 00:07:19.730 Seeing a massive thunderstorm on the screen isn't 00:07:19.730 --> 00:07:22.189 a reason for the pilot to panic. It's a reason 00:07:22.189 --> 00:07:24.189 to alter the flight path. Oh, that's a great 00:07:24.189 --> 00:07:26.829 way to look at it. The trials we face manifest 00:07:26.829 --> 00:07:29.769 in these parallels. And as Brian explains, each 00:07:29.769 --> 00:07:32.790 one is a forge for our character. They are tests 00:07:32.790 --> 00:07:35.829 of our adaptability, not a predetermined death 00:07:35.829 --> 00:07:38.560 sentence. Let me push you on that, though. Because 00:07:38.560 --> 00:07:40.519 it's one thing to say, oh, we just need to alter 00:07:40.519 --> 00:07:43.079 the flight path. But when you look at who is 00:07:43.079 --> 00:07:46.060 steering the ship in our society, it looks a 00:07:46.060 --> 00:07:48.160 lot like they are flying us directly into the 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:50.300 eye of the storm. That is a very fair point. 00:07:50.439 --> 00:07:52.639 OK, let's unpack this, because there's one specific, 00:07:52.759 --> 00:07:55.079 highly visible parallel taking place right now 00:07:55.079 --> 00:07:57.639 that you, the listener, really need to be ready 00:07:57.639 --> 00:08:00.180 to see. It's happening in real time. The beautiful 00:08:00.180 --> 00:08:03.360 ones. Yes. In Calhoun's experiment, as the Mouse 00:08:03.360 --> 00:08:06.420 Society broke down, a very specific group emerged. 00:08:07.379 --> 00:08:10.439 Calhoun dubbed them the Beautiful Ones. Ah, yes. 00:08:10.680 --> 00:08:12.899 The Beautiful Ones are perhaps the most chilling 00:08:12.899 --> 00:08:15.560 aspect of the entire Universe 25 experiment, 00:08:15.839 --> 00:08:17.959 primarily because the parallel to our current 00:08:17.959 --> 00:08:21.519 world is so uncomfortably stark. Exactly. These 00:08:21.519 --> 00:08:24.019 mice completely withdrew from the challenges 00:08:24.019 --> 00:08:26.420 of their society. Just opted right out. Right. 00:08:26.740 --> 00:08:28.939 While the rest of the enclosure was descending 00:08:28.939 --> 00:08:32.019 into chaos, violence, and infant mortality, the 00:08:32.019 --> 00:08:34.200 Beautiful Ones just opted out. They didn't breed. 00:08:34.779 --> 00:08:37.279 They didn't fight for territory. So social contribution 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:39.659 at all. None. They didn't contribute to the community 00:08:39.659 --> 00:08:42.159 in any meaningful way. All they did literally 00:08:42.159 --> 00:08:46.799 their entire existence was eat, sleep and meticulously 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:49.539 groom themselves. Grooming all day. Yeah. They 00:08:49.539 --> 00:08:51.659 isolated themselves in these bubbles of pure 00:08:51.659 --> 00:08:54.799 abundance, entirely disconnected from the societal 00:08:54.799 --> 00:08:57.279 collapse happening mere inches away from them. 00:08:57.340 --> 00:09:00.120 Just walled off. Their coats were perfect. They 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:02.799 had no scars, but they were completely hollow. 00:09:03.230 --> 00:09:05.409 And if we look around today, specifically at 00:09:05.409 --> 00:09:07.610 the uppermost echelons of our society, we are 00:09:07.610 --> 00:09:10.070 seeing elites stepping perfectly into the roles 00:09:10.070 --> 00:09:12.110 of the beautiful ones. Oh, absolutely. We are 00:09:12.110 --> 00:09:14.850 witnessing an extreme withdrawal from the shared 00:09:14.850 --> 00:09:18.049 human experience. It's undeniable. You look at 00:09:18.049 --> 00:09:21.029 the ultra wealthy retreating to literal and figurative 00:09:21.029 --> 00:09:24.210 bunkers. They are isolating themselves in gated 00:09:24.210 --> 00:09:27.149 communities, buying up private islands and surrounding 00:09:27.149 --> 00:09:30.509 themselves with echo chambers of pure, unfiltered 00:09:30.509 --> 00:09:33.250 abundance. Creating their own little. frictionless 00:09:33.250 --> 00:09:36.929 enclosures. Yes. They're actively avoiding meaningful 00:09:36.929 --> 00:09:40.970 contribution to the messy, difficult, friction 00:09:40.970 --> 00:09:44.610 -filled work of moving society forward. Instead 00:09:44.610 --> 00:09:47.009 of engaging, they're grooming themselves. Right. 00:09:47.230 --> 00:09:49.549 We see billionaires completely obsessed with 00:09:49.549 --> 00:09:52.070 extreme longevity protocols, taking dozens of 00:09:52.070 --> 00:09:54.649 supplements, hyper -curating their digital personas, 00:09:54.929 --> 00:09:58.070 and building insular luxury ecosystems, while 00:09:58.070 --> 00:10:00.049 completely withdrawing from the civic and social 00:10:00.049 --> 00:10:02.700 challenges of the day. This is exactly why the 00:10:02.700 --> 00:10:05.460 awareness of these parallels is so vital. If 00:10:05.460 --> 00:10:07.620 we don't recognize that these elites are falling 00:10:07.620 --> 00:10:09.879 headfirst into the trap of the beautiful ones, 00:10:10.120 --> 00:10:12.500 we might be tempted to emulate them. Because 00:10:12.500 --> 00:10:14.940 culture worships the wealthy. Exactly. Culture 00:10:14.940 --> 00:10:17.899 tends to worship the wealthy. We might mistakenly 00:10:17.899 --> 00:10:20.240 believe that withdrawing into a bubble of personal 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:22.720 frictionless abundance is the ultimate goal of 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:24.700 a post -work society. Like that's the dream. 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:27.990 Right. If AI does everything for us, the dream 00:10:27.990 --> 00:10:30.309 shouldn't be to just sit in a pod and get a massage 00:10:30.309 --> 00:10:33.649 while the world burns. No. Brian's analysis shows 00:10:33.649 --> 00:10:36.350 us that this withdrawal is the very definition 00:10:36.350 --> 00:10:40.129 of the abundance sink. It is a state of living 00:10:40.129 --> 00:10:43.470 decay. Living decay. The beautiful ones in Universe 00:10:43.470 --> 00:10:47.110 25 were physically flawless, but they were psychologically 00:10:47.110 --> 00:10:50.190 and spiritually extinct long before their bodies 00:10:50.190 --> 00:10:53.149 actually died. They had lost the essence of what 00:10:53.149 --> 00:10:55.509 made them alive. They were just breathing statues. 00:10:55.889 --> 00:10:58.610 Perfect description. And we see that same hollowness 00:10:58.610 --> 00:11:01.309 today when the pursuit of wealth, safety, and 00:11:01.309 --> 00:11:04.629 comfort completely eclipses the pursuit of purpose. 00:11:05.269 --> 00:11:07.850 But here is the pivot. Right. Brian doesn't just 00:11:07.850 --> 00:11:09.809 point fingers at the elites and say, look at 00:11:09.809 --> 00:11:11.769 the beautiful ones. We're doomed. He doesn't 00:11:11.769 --> 00:11:14.470 wallow in the problem. He flips the entire script. 00:11:14.669 --> 00:11:16.990 He really does. If we connect this to the bigger 00:11:16.990 --> 00:11:19.629 picture, this is where Brian's ultimate solution 00:11:19.629 --> 00:11:22.570 begins to take shape. He introduces this profound 00:11:22.570 --> 00:11:26.529 concept of the interregnum. Historically, an 00:11:26.529 --> 00:11:29.870 interregnum is a period of discontinuity. It's 00:11:29.870 --> 00:11:33.070 the gap in a government, organization, or social 00:11:33.070 --> 00:11:36.440 order. It's the chaotic, unpredictable space 00:11:36.440 --> 00:11:39.100 between the old world and the new world. The 00:11:39.100 --> 00:11:42.139 messy middle. Yes. We are entering an economic 00:11:42.139 --> 00:11:44.899 and societal interregnum right now, the space 00:11:44.899 --> 00:11:47.879 between the old world of traditional labor and 00:11:47.879 --> 00:11:51.179 the new world of absolute AI -driven abundance. 00:11:51.600 --> 00:11:54.399 Instead of seeing this transition as a terrifying 00:11:54.399 --> 00:11:57.120 collapse, Brian frames the interregnum as an 00:11:57.120 --> 00:11:59.379 unprecedented opportunity for human greatness. 00:11:59.740 --> 00:12:01.779 And this brings us to what I think is the absolute 00:12:01.779 --> 00:12:04.419 core of the Reed Multiplex. article. Brian's 00:12:04.419 --> 00:12:06.700 thesis is that we must transcend this abundant 00:12:06.700 --> 00:12:09.639 sink by framing the interregnum as the grand 00:12:09.639 --> 00:12:11.840 monomyth. The hero's journey. The hero's journey. 00:12:11.899 --> 00:12:14.159 This isn't just a neat literary trick. He is 00:12:14.159 --> 00:12:16.159 telling you right now that you are not a passive 00:12:16.159 --> 00:12:18.600 victim of macroeconomic shift. You're not just 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:21.240 collateral damage. No. You are not a helpless 00:12:21.240 --> 00:12:23.679 bystander watching algorithms take over the labor 00:12:23.679 --> 00:12:26.879 market. You are the hero of an epic saga. The 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:29.460 application of the hero's journey here is a stroke 00:12:29.460 --> 00:12:32.799 of absolute brilliance. It takes something terrifying 00:12:32.799 --> 00:12:35.860 and imbues it with profound meaning. It changes 00:12:35.860 --> 00:12:38.779 everything. The monomyth, as mapped out by Joseph 00:12:38.779 --> 00:12:41.360 Campbell, is the underlying structure of almost 00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:44.220 every great myth, religion, and story throughout 00:12:44.220 --> 00:12:46.340 human history. From Star Wars to Lord of the 00:12:46.340 --> 00:12:49.279 Rings. Exactly. The hero lives in an ordinary 00:12:49.279 --> 00:12:53.019 world, receives a call to adventure, initially 00:12:53.019 --> 00:12:56.629 refuses it, meets a mentor, crosses the threshold 00:12:56.629 --> 00:13:00.289 into the unknown, faces trials, discovers allies, 00:13:00.629 --> 00:13:03.750 achieves a great victory and returns to transform 00:13:03.750 --> 00:13:06.370 their world. It's the classic arc. And Brian 00:13:06.370 --> 00:13:09.409 maps this directly and flawlessly onto our current 00:13:09.409 --> 00:13:11.490 economic transition. Let's walk through that 00:13:11.490 --> 00:13:13.710 map step by step, because this is literally how 00:13:13.710 --> 00:13:16.129 you navigate the coming years. It all starts 00:13:16.129 --> 00:13:17.990 in the ordinary world. Which is what we know 00:13:17.990 --> 00:13:20.269 now. Right. Which for us is the nine to five 00:13:20.269 --> 00:13:23.029 grind, the commute, the mortgage, the defining 00:13:23.029 --> 00:13:25.509 of our entire self -worth by our job. title the 00:13:25.509 --> 00:13:28.830 enclosures yes the enclosures then comes the 00:13:28.830 --> 00:13:31.690 call to adventure in a movie it's a wizard knocking 00:13:31.690 --> 00:13:33.970 on your door or a distress message hidden in 00:13:33.970 --> 00:13:37.870 a droid but in our era the call arrives as job 00:13:37.870 --> 00:13:40.690 loss yeah the end of traditional work through 00:13:40.690 --> 00:13:44.330 automation or systemic economic shifts now for 00:13:44.330 --> 00:13:46.789 most of us that feels like a tragedy It feels 00:13:46.789 --> 00:13:48.830 like the floor dropping out from under you. You 00:13:48.830 --> 00:13:50.730 lose your income, your routine, your identity. 00:13:51.110 --> 00:13:54.529 But how does Brian reframe this moment? He reframes 00:13:54.529 --> 00:13:56.789 it entirely by stripping away the industrial 00:13:56.789 --> 00:13:59.009 era programming we've all been subjected to. 00:13:59.129 --> 00:14:02.289 Tell me more about that. This job loss, the obsolescence 00:14:02.289 --> 00:14:04.990 of rote labor, is not a tragedy in Brian's framework. 00:14:05.350 --> 00:14:08.330 It is, in his exact words, a summons to greatness. 00:14:08.629 --> 00:14:11.330 A summons to greatness. Wow. Think about the 00:14:11.330 --> 00:14:13.830 profundity of that shift in perspective. For 00:14:13.830 --> 00:14:16.110 centuries, humanity has defined... its worth 00:14:16.110 --> 00:14:18.450 by its capacity to toil. Yeah, to suffer through 00:14:18.450 --> 00:14:21.129 the friction. We are valued by how much friction 00:14:21.129 --> 00:14:23.779 we can endure for a paycheck. Now, as that requirement 00:14:23.779 --> 00:14:25.799 falls away, we are being summoned to discover 00:14:25.799 --> 00:14:28.279 what we are truly capable of when we are no longer 00:14:28.279 --> 00:14:30.860 chained to pure survival tasks. It's liberate. 00:14:30.899 --> 00:14:33.919 But as with every heroic myth, the initial reaction 00:14:33.919 --> 00:14:36.500 to the call is almost always the same. The refusal 00:14:36.500 --> 00:14:39.240 of the call. Oh, the refusal is so real. I see 00:14:39.240 --> 00:14:41.639 it every day. People fighting tooth and nail 00:14:41.639 --> 00:14:44.120 to keep inefficient systems alive just so they 00:14:44.120 --> 00:14:46.299 can keep doing busy work. Just clinging to the 00:14:46.299 --> 00:14:48.740 old way. And the Read Multiplex article warns 00:14:48.740 --> 00:14:50.799 us exactly what happens if we refuse this call. 00:14:51.149 --> 00:14:53.649 If we cling desperately to the old ways, if we 00:14:53.649 --> 00:14:56.269 demand to be put back into the artificial enclosures 00:14:56.269 --> 00:14:59.309 of busy work, or worse, if we just give up and 00:14:59.309 --> 00:15:01.129 withdraw into our screens like the beautiful 00:15:01.129 --> 00:15:03.990 ones, we plunge directly into what Brian calls 00:15:03.990 --> 00:15:07.389 the sinks abyss. The sinks abyss. Refusal of 00:15:07.389 --> 00:15:09.309 the call means succumbing to the decay of the 00:15:09.309 --> 00:15:12.350 abundance trap. It means choosing the fate of 00:15:12.350 --> 00:15:15.190 Universe 25. You have to step out the door. You 00:15:15.190 --> 00:15:17.740 have to answer the summons. even when it terrifies 00:15:17.740 --> 00:15:19.700 you. And the beauty of the monomyth is that when 00:15:19.700 --> 00:15:22.179 you finally step out that door, you don't do 00:15:22.179 --> 00:15:24.679 it alone. Never alone. The hero's journey always 00:15:24.679 --> 00:15:27.220 involves finding mentors and forging allies. 00:15:27.899 --> 00:15:30.679 In the old paradigm, your mentor was your middle 00:15:30.679 --> 00:15:34.200 manager or a senior executive, and your allies 00:15:34.200 --> 00:15:36.179 were just the co -workers who happened to be 00:15:36.179 --> 00:15:38.559 forced to sit in the cubicles next to you. Right. 00:15:39.049 --> 00:15:41.409 People you might not even like. Exactly. It was 00:15:41.409 --> 00:15:43.730 an artificial community based on geographic and 00:15:43.730 --> 00:15:47.250 economic necessity. But Brian envisions a radical 00:15:47.250 --> 00:15:50.850 shift. In this new era, mentors will arise in 00:15:50.850 --> 00:15:54.389 guilds and through timeless wisdom. I want to 00:15:54.389 --> 00:15:56.230 pause on this idea of guilds because it feels 00:15:56.230 --> 00:15:58.990 wonderfully historical but perfectly suited for 00:15:58.990 --> 00:16:01.070 the future. It's a great concept. When we hear 00:16:01.070 --> 00:16:03.789 guild... We might think of medieval blacksmiths 00:16:03.789 --> 00:16:06.090 or stonemasons, but in a post -work abundance 00:16:06.090 --> 00:16:08.850 economy, a guild isn't a corporate hierarchy. 00:16:09.389 --> 00:16:12.830 It's a community of craft, of intellect, of shared 00:16:12.830 --> 00:16:15.720 passion. Shared passion is the key. Yeah. It's 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:17.159 people coming together because they genuinely 00:16:17.159 --> 00:16:20.139 want to advance a specific skill or idea, not 00:16:20.139 --> 00:16:21.960 because they are being paid a salary to tolerate 00:16:21.960 --> 00:16:24.500 each other. And the allies. Brian emphasizes 00:16:24.500 --> 00:16:27.019 that these new alliances will be forged in purely 00:16:27.019 --> 00:16:29.639 voluntary bonds. Voluntary bonds. This is such 00:16:29.639 --> 00:16:31.820 a crucial distinction for you to internalize. 00:16:32.120 --> 00:16:35.419 The community of the future isn't based on forced 00:16:35.419 --> 00:16:37.659 proximity. You aren't friends just because you 00:16:37.659 --> 00:16:40.500 share a break room or a Slack channel. You choose 00:16:40.500 --> 00:16:43.549 your communities based on shared purpose. It 00:16:43.549 --> 00:16:46.610 is a massively powerful upgrade to the human 00:16:46.610 --> 00:16:49.250 social experience. It is the difference between 00:16:49.250 --> 00:16:52.090 a prison yard and an expeditionary team. That's 00:16:52.090 --> 00:16:54.889 a profound way to put it. In a prison yard, you 00:16:54.889 --> 00:16:56.889 associate with people for survival and protection. 00:16:57.370 --> 00:17:00.850 On an expeditionary team, you bond over a shared 00:17:01.320 --> 00:17:03.980 difficult goal right when bonds are voluntary 00:17:03.980 --> 00:17:06.980 and based on a shared vision the energy is entirely 00:17:06.980 --> 00:17:09.480 different it becomes generative rather than defensive 00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:11.619 generative and you will need that generative 00:17:11.619 --> 00:17:13.700 energy because the journey through the interregnum 00:17:13.700 --> 00:17:16.680 is not without hardship we mentioned the 15 points 00:17:16.680 --> 00:17:19.259 of awareness earlier the parallels to the societal 00:17:19.259 --> 00:17:22.119 breakdown the warning signs right These are the 00:17:22.119 --> 00:17:24.740 road of trials in our hero's journey. The alienation, 00:17:24.779 --> 00:17:27.599 the shifting economic sands, the temptation to 00:17:27.599 --> 00:17:30.299 withdraw into virtual reality. These are the 00:17:30.299 --> 00:17:33.559 dragons we must slay. But as Brian notes, each 00:17:33.559 --> 00:17:35.980 of these trials acts as a forge. They temper 00:17:35.980 --> 00:17:39.180 the steel. Yes. Every time you resist the urge 00:17:39.180 --> 00:17:42.480 to just scroll mindlessly for six hours, every 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:44.299 time you choose to build something instead of 00:17:44.299 --> 00:17:47.099 consume something, you are passing a trial. You're 00:17:47.099 --> 00:17:49.559 leveling up. And what are we forging our character 00:17:49.559 --> 00:17:52.740 for? What is the reward at the end of this epic 00:17:52.740 --> 00:17:56.400 saga? In Campbell's hero's journey, it's called 00:17:56.400 --> 00:17:59.240 the ultimate boon. The ultimate boon. It's the 00:17:59.240 --> 00:18:01.519 elixir the hero brings back to save the world. 00:18:01.920 --> 00:18:06.160 And the boon, Brian reveals, is nothing short 00:18:06.160 --> 00:18:08.680 of breathtaking. It really is. It is a society 00:18:08.680 --> 00:18:10.980 completely reborn. A society where abundance 00:18:10.980 --> 00:18:13.500 does not fuel decay. like it did for those poor 00:18:13.500 --> 00:18:16.279 mice in the universe to 25, but rather it fuels 00:18:16.279 --> 00:18:19.140 human exaltation. Exaltation. That word exaltation. 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:21.420 It means a state of extreme happiness, of being 00:18:21.420 --> 00:18:23.799 raised to a higher rank or state of power. That 00:18:23.799 --> 00:18:25.819 is the promise of the interregnum. We aren't 00:18:25.819 --> 00:18:28.200 just surviving. We are ascending. Exaltation 00:18:28.200 --> 00:18:30.779 is the perfect word because it implies an elevation 00:18:30.779 --> 00:18:33.720 of the human spirit, not just a satiation of 00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:35.819 human appetite. Not just a full belly. Right. 00:18:35.900 --> 00:18:39.059 But to reach that state of exaltation, personal 00:18:39.059 --> 00:18:41.579 mindset shifts. Accepting the call to adventure 00:18:41.579 --> 00:18:44.880 are only half the battle. We also have to completely 00:18:44.880 --> 00:18:46.980 redesign the physical and legal architecture 00:18:46.980 --> 00:18:49.420 of our society. Because the old systems won't 00:18:49.420 --> 00:18:52.180 hold it. Exactly. We cannot pour the new wine 00:18:52.180 --> 00:18:55.140 of ultimate abundance into the old brittle wineskins 00:18:55.140 --> 00:18:58.400 of industrial era bureaucracy. Brian outlines 00:18:58.400 --> 00:19:01.500 that solutions must ignite with redesigning structures 00:19:01.500 --> 00:19:04.539 for liberty and purpose. Now let me challenge 00:19:04.539 --> 00:19:06.640 this a bit. Okay. Here's where it gets really 00:19:06.640 --> 00:19:10.069 interesting. When we talk about societal structures, 00:19:10.230 --> 00:19:12.950 we usually mean government and law. And let's 00:19:12.950 --> 00:19:15.390 be real. Government laws are historically designed 00:19:15.390 --> 00:19:18.109 to restrict, to manage, to control and to tax. 00:19:18.269 --> 00:19:20.710 Chances. Right. They are designed to put fences 00:19:20.710 --> 00:19:23.329 around things. But Brian calls for governments 00:19:23.329 --> 00:19:25.910 to craft laws that liberate. Yes. What does a 00:19:25.910 --> 00:19:28.549 liberating law even look like? How do we actively 00:19:28.549 --> 00:19:31.069 design systems that encourage freedom and exploration 00:19:31.069 --> 00:19:33.750 rather than just keeping people safe, sedated 00:19:33.750 --> 00:19:36.109 and stagnant in a giant, comfortable cage? The 00:19:36.109 --> 00:19:38.470 contrast with the Universe 25 is vital here to 00:19:38.470 --> 00:19:41.410 answer your question. Calhoun's mouse utopia 00:19:41.410 --> 00:19:45.230 was the ultimate enclosed, safe, managed space. 00:19:45.630 --> 00:19:47.549 Total management. It was a perfectly governed 00:19:47.549 --> 00:19:50.329 enclosure that provided everything and demanded 00:19:50.329 --> 00:19:53.599 absolutely nothing. There was no risk, no frontier, 00:19:53.839 --> 00:19:56.680 no possibility of escaping the box. And that 00:19:56.680 --> 00:19:59.380 drove them insane. That total lack of friction 00:19:59.380 --> 00:20:03.440 led directly to madness. To avoid this, our liberating 00:20:03.440 --> 00:20:06.240 laws must literally shatter those enclosures. 00:20:06.420 --> 00:20:08.539 Shatter them. A liberating law doesn't tell you 00:20:08.539 --> 00:20:11.059 what you can't do. It removes the barriers to 00:20:11.059 --> 00:20:13.720 what you could do. It lowers the cost of innovation. 00:20:14.079 --> 00:20:17.400 It deregulates experimentation. And Brian gives 00:20:17.400 --> 00:20:19.960 us an incredibly vivid, almost sci -fi example 00:20:19.960 --> 00:20:22.470 of what that looks like. in practice. He says 00:20:22.470 --> 00:20:25.009 we need to incentivize stellar exploration through 00:20:25.009 --> 00:20:28.390 bold grants. Space travel. Yes. Now, at first 00:20:28.390 --> 00:20:30.170 glance, someone might think, why are we talking 00:20:30.170 --> 00:20:31.769 about space travel when we're talking about the 00:20:31.769 --> 00:20:33.910 end of work? But think about the psychology of 00:20:33.910 --> 00:20:36.690 it. It's brilliant. The antidote to feeling trapped 00:20:36.690 --> 00:20:39.410 on a comfortable, abundant planet is to look 00:20:39.410 --> 00:20:41.809 up and reach out. Yeah. I love the analogy he 00:20:41.809 --> 00:20:44.400 uses here. It's like. A hero bursting from the 00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:47.359 cave. Bursting from the cave. The Earth, for 00:20:47.359 --> 00:20:50.400 all its beauty and history, is ultimately an 00:20:50.400 --> 00:20:53.460 enclosure if we never leave it. It is a finite 00:20:53.460 --> 00:20:56.779 tank. By pushing for stellar exploration, by 00:20:56.779 --> 00:21:00.099 making it a societal imperative funded by bold, 00:21:00.259 --> 00:21:03.000 liberating initiatives, we shatter the ceiling 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:06.400 of our utopia. We give human ambition a canvas 00:21:06.400 --> 00:21:09.089 that is truly infinite. Stellar exploration is 00:21:09.089 --> 00:21:11.430 the ultimate physical manifestation of escaping 00:21:11.430 --> 00:21:14.170 the abundance sink. It provides infinite friction 00:21:14.170 --> 00:21:16.730 and infinite discovery. You can't be lazy in 00:21:16.730 --> 00:21:19.009 space. No, you really can't. You cannot be a 00:21:19.009 --> 00:21:21.069 beautiful one lounging in a luxury pod if you 00:21:21.069 --> 00:21:22.809 were trying to figure out how to terraform Mars 00:21:22.809 --> 00:21:25.890 or navigate an asteroid belt. Space demands resilience, 00:21:26.170 --> 00:21:28.809 cooperation, and extreme intellect. But Brian 00:21:28.809 --> 00:21:30.789 understands that not everyone is going to be 00:21:30.789 --> 00:21:33.130 an astronaut. Right. There are terrestrial intellectual 00:21:33.130 --> 00:21:35.849 structures we need to redesign as well. He goes 00:21:35.849 --> 00:21:37.769 deep into the necessity of fostering what we 00:21:37.769 --> 00:21:40.509 touched on earlier, guilds of rational creators. 00:21:40.789 --> 00:21:44.150 Let's expand on that. Guilds of rational creators. 00:21:44.809 --> 00:21:46.970 Tell me how they differ from what we have now. 00:21:47.109 --> 00:21:49.809 In the traditional work environment. Innovation 00:21:49.809 --> 00:21:53.029 is often chained to quarterly profits, proprietary 00:21:53.029 --> 00:21:56.750 patents, NDAs, and corporate silos. All the red 00:21:56.750 --> 00:21:59.130 tape. Exactly. If you have a brilliant idea, 00:21:59.450 --> 00:22:02.329 your company owns it, and they might bury it 00:22:02.329 --> 00:22:04.730 if it threatens their current product line. Which 00:22:04.730 --> 00:22:06.730 happens all the time. A guild of rational creators 00:22:06.730 --> 00:22:10.069 is a collaborative ecosystem where the goal is 00:22:10.069 --> 00:22:12.930 the creation itself, the mastery of the skill, 00:22:13.150 --> 00:22:15.210 and the sharing of that knowledge. So it's pure 00:22:15.210 --> 00:22:17.910 creation. Think of the early open source software 00:22:17.910 --> 00:22:20.490 movement, but expanded to physical engineering, 00:22:20.829 --> 00:22:24.349 biology, art and philosophy. It is open source 00:22:24.349 --> 00:22:26.990 human potential, completely free from the chains 00:22:26.990 --> 00:22:30.269 of corporate monopolization. It's the exact opposite 00:22:30.269 --> 00:22:32.750 of the beautiful ones hoarding their comfort. 00:22:32.910 --> 00:22:36.410 It's active, communal, purposeful creation. But 00:22:36.410 --> 00:22:38.710 let's be honest. Yeah. Not everyone is going 00:22:38.710 --> 00:22:41.349 to be a stellar explorer and not everyone wants 00:22:41.349 --> 00:22:43.869 to join a highly technical guild of rational 00:22:43.869 --> 00:22:46.750 creators. That's true. Some people just need 00:22:46.750 --> 00:22:49.009 space to run. They need to experiment, to be 00:22:49.009 --> 00:22:51.869 weird, to be untamed, to make a mess without 00:22:51.869 --> 00:22:54.930 a homeowners association or a city council breathing 00:22:54.930 --> 00:22:57.190 down their neck. A place without all the rules. 00:22:57.630 --> 00:23:00.369 And that brings us to what I think is the most 00:23:00.369 --> 00:23:03.410 profound and necessary concept in the entire 00:23:03.410 --> 00:23:06.789 Read Multiplex article, wild zones. I love this 00:23:06.789 --> 00:23:09.470 concept. I agree completely. The concept of wild 00:23:09.470 --> 00:23:12.950 zones requires deep analysis because it is the 00:23:12.950 --> 00:23:15.720 pressure valve that saves society. from exploding. 00:23:15.799 --> 00:23:18.319 A pressure valve. Brian defines these wild zones 00:23:18.319 --> 00:23:22.500 as havens of unregulated genius. This is such 00:23:22.500 --> 00:23:24.799 a critical concept. If we look at the entire 00:23:24.799 --> 00:23:27.519 history of humanity, there has always been a 00:23:27.519 --> 00:23:29.910 frontier. Always an edge. There has always been 00:23:29.910 --> 00:23:31.630 an edge of the map where the rules didn't quite 00:23:31.630 --> 00:23:33.910 apply yet, whether it was the literal Wild West 00:23:33.910 --> 00:23:36.970 or international waters or the early dial -up 00:23:36.970 --> 00:23:38.710 days of the internet. Oh, the early internet, 00:23:38.869 --> 00:23:40.970 for sure. There was always a place where misfits, 00:23:41.089 --> 00:23:43.529 pioneers, and divergent thinkers could go to 00:23:43.529 --> 00:23:46.049 build something entirely new, free from legacy 00:23:46.049 --> 00:23:49.069 systems. But over the last century, we've paved 00:23:49.069 --> 00:23:51.930 over the wild zones. The globe has become entirely 00:23:51.930 --> 00:23:55.190 mapped, heavily interconnected, and hyper -regulated. 00:23:55.230 --> 00:23:57.279 You can't escape the grid. You really can't. 00:23:57.279 --> 00:23:58.779 You can't even build a shed in your backyard 00:23:58.779 --> 00:24:00.799 without three permits and a zoning board hearing. 00:24:01.160 --> 00:24:03.880 The physical frontier has largely vanished. It's 00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:06.519 all managed now. And if we enter a post -work 00:24:06.519 --> 00:24:10.119 era of absolute abundance with AI handling all 00:24:10.119 --> 00:24:12.859 the logistics and we have no frontier, we are 00:24:12.859 --> 00:24:15.160 putting ourselves right back into Calhoun's mouse 00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:17.900 box. We will go crazy. We will turn on each other. 00:24:18.099 --> 00:24:20.799 Precisely. The human spirit requires friction. 00:24:21.019 --> 00:24:24.039 It requires the unknown. It requires the right 00:24:24.039 --> 00:24:27.380 to take a risk and fail spectacularly. We need 00:24:27.380 --> 00:24:29.940 to be able to fail. Brian argues that these wild 00:24:29.940 --> 00:24:32.380 zones echo the ancient human call for migration. 00:24:32.759 --> 00:24:35.980 For millennia, when a society became too stagnant, 00:24:35.980 --> 00:24:38.619 too rigid, or when resources shifted, humans 00:24:38.619 --> 00:24:41.180 migrated. We moved. We walked across ice bridges 00:24:41.180 --> 00:24:44.519 and sailed across uncharted oceans. That migratory, 00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:47.839 exploratory impulse is hardwired into our DNA. 00:24:48.079 --> 00:24:50.940 We are explorers. In a world of ubiquitous abundance, 00:24:51.319 --> 00:24:53.779 where you don't have to migrate for food, we 00:24:53.779 --> 00:24:56.559 must intentionally create and protect these havens 00:24:56.559 --> 00:25:00.299 of unregulated genius to serve as a vital outlet 00:25:00.299 --> 00:25:03.339 for human energy. So what does a wild zone look 00:25:03.339 --> 00:25:06.720 like today? Is it a special economic zone? Is 00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:09.299 it an experimental charter city in the desert? 00:25:09.559 --> 00:25:12.680 Maybe. Is it seasteading out international waters? 00:25:13.420 --> 00:25:17.980 Or is it entirely new? digital and virtual frontiers, 00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:20.700 like immersive VR worlds where the standard laws 00:25:20.700 --> 00:25:23.119 of physics and economics simply do not apply. 00:25:23.400 --> 00:25:25.900 It will likely be a combination of all of those. 00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:28.200 The key is that the standard regulations of the 00:25:28.200 --> 00:25:31.000 utopia must be suspended in these zones. So no 00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:33.559 safety nets. Or at least you opt out of the strict 00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:36.380 management. If you want to build a highly experimental 00:25:36.380 --> 00:25:39.140 nuclear reactor or test radical new architectural 00:25:39.140 --> 00:25:41.880 structures or try a completely new form of community 00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:44.740 governance, you go to the wild zone. You accept 00:25:44.740 --> 00:25:47.339 the personal risk. in exchange for absolute creative 00:25:47.339 --> 00:25:50.160 freedom. Picture this for a second. Imagine a 00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:51.859 world where you have complete baseline security. 00:25:52.079 --> 00:25:54.619 You will never starve. You will always have shelter 00:25:54.619 --> 00:25:57.640 and health care. The baseline utopia. But you 00:25:57.640 --> 00:26:00.759 also have the option at any moment to pack up 00:26:00.759 --> 00:26:03.700 and step into a wild zone, a place where you 00:26:03.700 --> 00:26:07.759 can build, create, fail, and experiment without 00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:10.220 asking for permission from a labyrinth of bureaucracy. 00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:12.980 It's freeing just to think about. It's intoxicating 00:26:12.980 --> 00:26:15.400 just thinking about it. And this leads us directly 00:26:15.400 --> 00:26:18.359 into Brian's highly unique take on the concept 00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:22.519 of universal basic income or UBI. Basic income 00:26:22.519 --> 00:26:25.339 is a topic fraught with intense debate and rightly 00:26:25.339 --> 00:26:28.099 so. Very intense debate. Primarily because in 00:26:28.099 --> 00:26:30.619 its simplest, most widely advocated form, just 00:26:30.619 --> 00:26:32.160 giving people a check every month so they can 00:26:32.160 --> 00:26:35.920 consume things. It risks creating the exact conditions 00:26:35.920 --> 00:26:38.740 of Universe 25. It creates the mouse enclosure. 00:26:39.039 --> 00:26:41.259 Giving people resources without any attached 00:26:41.259 --> 00:26:44.099 purpose, without any call to adventure, is the 00:26:44.099 --> 00:26:47.200 literal formula for the abundance sink. It breeds 00:26:47.200 --> 00:26:49.180 the beautiful ones. It's sitting around grooming. 00:26:49.690 --> 00:26:52.750 But Brian reframes basic income entirely. He 00:26:52.750 --> 00:26:54.890 argues that it shouldn't just be idle money dropped 00:26:54.890 --> 00:26:58.069 into an idle lap. It must be woven into tapestries 00:26:58.069 --> 00:27:00.470 of voluntary service and epic adventures. Now, 00:27:00.490 --> 00:27:01.990 I have to stop you there because my skeptical 00:27:01.990 --> 00:27:04.130 alarm bells are ringing. Let's hear it. If we 00:27:04.130 --> 00:27:07.049 weave basic income into service and adventure, 00:27:07.369 --> 00:27:10.849 isn't it no longer basic? Doesn't that just mean 00:27:10.849 --> 00:27:13.390 we are creating a new weird form of employment? 00:27:14.009 --> 00:27:16.289 How do we prevent this from just becoming another 00:27:16.289 --> 00:27:18.289 bureaucratic hoop people have to jump through? 00:27:18.589 --> 00:27:21.289 That is the crucial needle to thread. Brian is 00:27:21.289 --> 00:27:23.369 not suggesting a dystopian social credit system 00:27:23.369 --> 00:27:25.230 where the government dictates what constitutes 00:27:25.230 --> 00:27:28.670 good service. Right. He is talking about a cultural 00:27:28.670 --> 00:27:31.410 and structural shift where the grant of abundance 00:27:31.410 --> 00:27:33.750 is tied to active participation in the human 00:27:33.750 --> 00:27:36.470 project. It's about creating pathways. Okay, 00:27:36.529 --> 00:27:39.829 pathways. If UBI is the baseline, society must 00:27:39.829 --> 00:27:42.549 overwhelmingly incentivize and celebrate stepping 00:27:42.549 --> 00:27:45.730 off that baseline into a guild, a wild zone, 00:27:45.930 --> 00:27:52.759 or a stellar exploration initiative. I see. It's 00:27:52.759 --> 00:27:54.339 not an allowance for sitting on the couch and 00:27:54.339 --> 00:27:56.599 playing video games until your eyes bleed. Exactly. 00:27:57.839 --> 00:28:07.359 You are completely rewiring the psychology of 00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:09.380 the recipient. Rewiring it away from the sink. 00:28:09.710 --> 00:28:12.349 You are given the resources to survive so that 00:28:12.349 --> 00:28:15.089 you can go out and truly live. You are funded 00:28:15.089 --> 00:28:17.890 to take risks that you could never take if you 00:28:17.890 --> 00:28:20.109 were worried about paying rent. Exactly. And 00:28:20.109 --> 00:28:23.089 the brilliant, undeniable outcome of this reframing, 00:28:23.089 --> 00:28:25.690 as Brian states, is that it banishes invented 00:28:25.690 --> 00:28:29.289 torments directly to the void. Invented torments. 00:28:29.369 --> 00:28:32.069 Oh, I love that phrase. This is a very sharp, 00:28:32.190 --> 00:28:35.589 very necessary psychological insight. Human beings 00:28:35.589 --> 00:28:38.289 are problem solving engines. We have to fix things. 00:28:38.809 --> 00:28:40.730 When we are deprived of meaningful struggle, 00:28:40.930 --> 00:28:43.309 we do not simply sit back and enjoy the peace. 00:28:43.490 --> 00:28:46.829 We invent torment. Oh, we've all seen this. People 00:28:46.829 --> 00:28:48.750 who have nothing real to worry about will invent 00:28:48.750 --> 00:28:51.549 a crisis just to feel something. Absolutely. 00:28:51.589 --> 00:28:54.730 They will start massive feuds over a perceived 00:28:54.730 --> 00:28:57.470 slight in a neighborhood Facebook group. They 00:28:57.470 --> 00:28:59.789 will generate conflict over infinitesimal things. 00:28:59.990 --> 00:29:02.329 They will fall into neuroses. They will embrace 00:29:02.329 --> 00:29:05.089 extreme political polarization because the brain 00:29:05.089 --> 00:29:07.170 demands a problem to solve. It needs a target. 00:29:07.500 --> 00:29:09.579 If there is no tiger to fight, we will fight 00:29:09.579 --> 00:29:11.279 our neighbor over where they put their recycling 00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:13.880 bin. That is the abundant sink playing out in 00:29:13.880 --> 00:29:16.420 the human mind. It is the behavioral sink in 00:29:16.420 --> 00:29:19.839 action. But if your basic needs are met, and 00:29:19.839 --> 00:29:22.119 society actively encourages you to step into 00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:25.299 a wild zone, or join a guild of rational creators, 00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:28.079 or embark on an epic intellectual adventure, 00:29:29.019 --> 00:29:31.279 Those invented torments vanish. They disappear. 00:29:31.640 --> 00:29:33.900 They are banished to the void because your mind 00:29:33.900 --> 00:29:36.880 is occupied with actual challenges chosen freely. 00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:39.940 You're trying to solve real complex problems 00:29:39.940 --> 00:29:43.140 instead of manifesting artificial drama. It is 00:29:43.140 --> 00:29:45.759 a brilliant synthesis of economic policy and 00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:48.539 human psychology. It really is. But a societal 00:29:48.539 --> 00:29:51.369 redesign of this magnitude. Building wild zones, 00:29:51.609 --> 00:29:54.750 funding stellar exploration, redefining UBI requires 00:29:54.750 --> 00:29:57.329 a profound shift at the individual level. You 00:29:57.329 --> 00:29:58.910 still have to do the work. We can build all the 00:29:58.910 --> 00:30:00.730 wild zones we want. We can build the rockets. 00:30:00.789 --> 00:30:03.269 But the individual must be prepared to step into 00:30:03.269 --> 00:30:05.690 them. The door can be open, but you still have 00:30:05.690 --> 00:30:07.650 to walk through it. Which brings us to the ultimate 00:30:07.650 --> 00:30:10.509 responsibility. The macro solutions fail if the 00:30:10.509 --> 00:30:13.029 micro foundation is weak. So true. Brian lays 00:30:13.029 --> 00:30:15.549 out a highly specific personal roadmap for this 00:30:15.549 --> 00:30:17.509 odyssey, and it demands quite a bit from the 00:30:17.509 --> 00:30:19.470 individual. Let's bring this right down to the 00:30:19.470 --> 00:30:22.240 ground. So what does this all mean for you navigating 00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:24.839 your life right now? That's the question. How 00:30:24.839 --> 00:30:27.140 do you prepare yourself for this monumental shift 00:30:27.140 --> 00:30:30.119 away from traditional work? Brian's personal 00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:33.180 roadmap starts with one foundational absolute 00:30:33.180 --> 00:30:36.779 requirement, cultivating unyielding resilience. 00:30:37.259 --> 00:30:40.200 Unyielding resilience is non -negotiable here. 00:30:40.420 --> 00:30:43.140 Tell me why. The transition out of the world 00:30:43.140 --> 00:30:44.819 of traditional work is going to be incredibly 00:30:44.819 --> 00:30:48.019 disorienting. For generations, the first question 00:30:48.019 --> 00:30:50.059 we ask someone when we meet them is, what do 00:30:50.059 --> 00:30:53.140 you do? Right. We mean, what is your job? When 00:30:53.140 --> 00:30:56.000 the old markers of status, identity, and daily 00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:58.440 routine dissolve, it will trigger an identity 00:30:58.440 --> 00:31:01.660 crisis on a global scale. A massive crisis. Resilience 00:31:01.660 --> 00:31:04.019 is the armor required to survive the interregnum. 00:31:04.140 --> 00:31:06.359 You have to be able to withstand the dissolution 00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:08.759 of the world you move without losing your sense 00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:11.680 of self. And Brian pairs this resilience with 00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:14.500 the active need to contemplate your purpose with 00:31:14.500 --> 00:31:17.259 rational clarity. Rational clarity. I love that 00:31:17.259 --> 00:31:20.420 phrasing. It's not the cliche advice of just 00:31:20.420 --> 00:31:22.720 follow your passion, which is, well, it's often 00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:26.039 terrible advice. Usually very bad advice. It 00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:28.700 means actively rationally dissecting yourself. 00:31:29.619 --> 00:31:32.740 What are you actually good at? What does the 00:31:32.740 --> 00:31:35.759 new world need? What brings you a sense of deep, 00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:38.960 abiding fulfillment that doesn't rely on a boss 00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:41.359 handing you a performance review? It requires 00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:43.940 a brutal honesty with yourself. But this raises 00:31:43.940 --> 00:31:47.319 a really important practical question. How do 00:31:47.319 --> 00:31:50.500 we actually adapt when the old world vanishes 00:31:50.500 --> 00:31:53.740 overnight? When the AI agent suddenly does the 00:31:53.740 --> 00:31:55.660 job you went to school for eight years to learn? 00:31:55.880 --> 00:31:58.180 This raises an important question because that 00:31:58.180 --> 00:32:01.259 is the core trauma of the transition. Yes. Brian's 00:32:01.259 --> 00:32:04.369 advice on how to adapt is twofold. First, as 00:32:04.369 --> 00:32:07.269 we touched on, you must forge alliances of mutual 00:32:07.269 --> 00:32:10.250 respect. The voluntary bonds. You cannot navigate 00:32:10.250 --> 00:32:12.910 the interregnum alone. The rugged individualist 00:32:12.910 --> 00:32:15.349 trope doesn't survive this transition. You need 00:32:15.349 --> 00:32:17.569 a tribe, a guild, a community of individuals 00:32:17.569 --> 00:32:19.849 who respect your agency and share your rational 00:32:19.849 --> 00:32:21.630 approach to the future. People who build you 00:32:21.630 --> 00:32:23.549 up. You need people who will hold you accountable 00:32:23.549 --> 00:32:26.089 to your potential, not people who will join you 00:32:26.089 --> 00:32:27.890 in complaining about the past. And the second 00:32:27.890 --> 00:32:31.109 part. Second, you must embrace metamorphosis 00:32:31.109 --> 00:32:34.589 as the ultimate adventure. Embracing metamorphosis. 00:32:34.690 --> 00:32:37.130 Think of the caterpillar and the butterfly. We've 00:32:37.130 --> 00:32:39.250 all heard the analogy, but think about the biology 00:32:39.250 --> 00:32:41.890 of it. It's actually quite brutal. The caterpillar 00:32:41.890 --> 00:32:44.769 doesn't just sprout wings. It builds a chrysalis, 00:32:44.789 --> 00:32:48.109 and then it literally digests itself. It turns 00:32:48.109 --> 00:32:50.549 into a biological soup to become something entirely 00:32:50.549 --> 00:32:53.369 new. A total breakdown. We are going to have 00:32:53.369 --> 00:32:57.160 to die. digest our old identities, our job titles, 00:32:57.299 --> 00:32:59.640 our nine to five routines, our corporate ladder 00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:02.700 climbing, our entire concept of weekends and 00:33:02.700 --> 00:33:04.900 retirement and allow ourselves to transform. 00:33:05.099 --> 00:33:07.019 You have to let it dissolve. If you fight the 00:33:07.019 --> 00:33:09.420 metamorphosis, you just end up a very frustrated 00:33:09.420 --> 00:33:12.009 caterpillar. in a cocoon that's getting way too 00:33:12.009 --> 00:33:14.730 tight. That is a visceral but highly accurate 00:33:14.730 --> 00:33:17.750 analogy. The digestion of the old identity is 00:33:17.750 --> 00:33:20.730 painful but necessary. It is. And this brings 00:33:20.730 --> 00:33:23.529 us to the ultimate contrast, the definitive antidote 00:33:23.529 --> 00:33:26.589 to the shadow of Universe 25. The formulas. Brian 00:33:26.589 --> 00:33:29.569 outlines three fundamental philosophical formulas 00:33:29.569 --> 00:33:32.549 for success in this personal odyssey. These are 00:33:32.549 --> 00:33:34.589 the guiding principles of the new era, and they 00:33:34.589 --> 00:33:36.829 stand in direct intentional opposition to the 00:33:36.829 --> 00:33:38.869 behavior of the mice in Calhoun's experiment. 00:33:39.529 --> 00:33:41.450 Let's break those three formulas down because 00:33:41.450 --> 00:33:43.529 they are your survival guide. The first formula, 00:33:43.710 --> 00:33:47.069 flexibility triumphs over rigidity. Look at the 00:33:47.069 --> 00:33:50.309 beautiful ones in Universe 25. So rigid. They 00:33:50.309 --> 00:33:52.650 were incredibly rigid. They had one mode eat, 00:33:52.769 --> 00:33:55.849 sleep, groom. When the social structure collapsed 00:33:55.849 --> 00:33:58.269 around them, they had no capacity to adapt. They 00:33:58.269 --> 00:33:59.970 couldn't change their behavior. They just kept 00:33:59.970 --> 00:34:02.130 grooming while everything burned. To survive 00:34:02.130 --> 00:34:04.049 and thrive in the interregnum, you have to be 00:34:04.049 --> 00:34:06.769 radically flexible. If your industry gets automated 00:34:06.769 --> 00:34:09.869 tomorrow, your response cannot be rigidity, anger, 00:34:10.070 --> 00:34:12.510 and despair. It has to be, okay, the map just 00:34:12.510 --> 00:34:14.989 changed. What is my next adventure? The second 00:34:14.989 --> 00:34:18.210 formula is equally critical. Reason triumphs 00:34:18.210 --> 00:34:20.650 over chaos. Reason over chaos. As the abundance 00:34:20.650 --> 00:34:23.429 sink took hold in Universe 25, the enclosure 00:34:23.429 --> 00:34:26.789 descended into utter, mindless chaos. You had 00:34:26.789 --> 00:34:29.469 erratic behavior, random violence, hypersexuality, 00:34:29.469 --> 00:34:32.309 and total social breakdown. It was pure instinct 00:34:32.309 --> 00:34:35.510 taking over. It was an entirely emotion -driven, 00:34:35.630 --> 00:34:39.559 instinctual collapse. Brian is telling us that 00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:42.000 our primary defense against the chaos of the 00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:44.699 interregnum is reason. We must be rational creators. 00:34:44.980 --> 00:34:47.039 We must contemplate our purpose with rational 00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:50.320 clarity. As the economic tectonic plates shift 00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:52.739 beneath our feet, there will be a massive temptation 00:34:52.739 --> 00:34:56.199 to give in to fear, anger and tribalism. We see 00:34:56.199 --> 00:34:58.519 that happening already. We cannot let emotions 00:34:58.519 --> 00:35:01.280 dictate our actions. We must use our intellect, 00:35:01.500 --> 00:35:04.119 our logic and our reason to navigate the storm. 00:35:04.260 --> 00:35:06.690 And the third formula. Which might be the most 00:35:06.690 --> 00:35:12.489 profound of all. Virtue triumphs over vice. Virtue. 00:35:12.489 --> 00:35:14.469 Let's really think about this. When there are 00:35:14.469 --> 00:35:16.769 no external rules forcing you to work, there's 00:35:16.769 --> 00:35:19.769 no boss tracking your hours, no fear of starvation 00:35:19.769 --> 00:35:22.030 forcing you to behave, no economic necessity 00:35:22.030 --> 00:35:24.690 forcing you to contribute, what stops you from 00:35:24.690 --> 00:35:26.750 just succumbing to your base vices? What stops 00:35:26.750 --> 00:35:28.670 you from becoming a beautiful one? What stops 00:35:28.670 --> 00:35:31.170 you from becoming a glutton or a tyrant or a 00:35:31.170 --> 00:35:33.949 beautiful one? It has to be... Internally generated 00:35:33.949 --> 00:35:37.389 virtue. Internal compass. It is the active daily 00:35:37.389 --> 00:35:40.349 choice to be good, to be productive, to be helpful, 00:35:40.489 --> 00:35:44.010 and to be courageous. Not because a system demands 00:35:44.010 --> 00:35:46.369 it of you under threat of poverty, but because 00:35:46.369 --> 00:35:48.590 you demand it of yourself out of respect for 00:35:48.590 --> 00:35:51.530 your own potential. These three principles, flexibility, 00:35:51.909 --> 00:35:54.570 reason, and virtue, constitute what Brian calls 00:35:54.570 --> 00:35:57.909 a sacred map. A sacred map. It is a philosophical 00:35:57.909 --> 00:36:00.570 compass for an uncharted age, and the stakes 00:36:00.570 --> 00:36:03.159 of following this map could not be higher. We 00:36:03.159 --> 00:36:04.960 are not merely talking about maintaining the 00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:07.460 status quo or finding a way to keep people busy. 00:36:07.659 --> 00:36:10.059 No, the stakes are cosmic. By heating this map, 00:36:10.219 --> 00:36:12.739 by building the wild zones, by leaning into the 00:36:12.739 --> 00:36:15.900 hero's journey, humanity doesn't just evade extinction. 00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:20.019 We actively ascend to cosmic heights. We actively 00:36:20.019 --> 00:36:22.780 ascend. I want everyone listening to truly feel 00:36:22.780 --> 00:36:25.099 the power of that framing. We aren't just dodging 00:36:25.099 --> 00:36:27.159 a bullet here. We are launching a rocket. Yes. 00:36:27.610 --> 00:36:30.389 By rejecting the abundance sink, by choosing 00:36:30.389 --> 00:36:33.349 the grand monomyth over the mouse utopia, we 00:36:33.349 --> 00:36:36.409 claim abundance as our eternal elixir. It stops 00:36:36.409 --> 00:36:38.809 being a poison that rots us from the inside out, 00:36:38.889 --> 00:36:41.250 and becomes the high -octane fuel that pertells 00:36:41.250 --> 00:36:43.809 us to the stars, both literally and figuratively. 00:36:44.250 --> 00:36:47.690 It is a magnificent, deeply optimistic end state 00:36:47.690 --> 00:36:50.289 that Brian envisions in the Read Multiplex article. 00:36:50.530 --> 00:36:52.769 It really is. But it is vital to remember that 00:36:52.769 --> 00:36:55.349 he does not sugarcoat the process. The journey 00:36:55.349 --> 00:36:58.570 demands valor. Real valor. Stepping into the 00:36:58.570 --> 00:37:00.909 unknown of the interregnum, facing the loss of 00:37:00.909 --> 00:37:03.449 traditional societal structures, looking into 00:37:03.449 --> 00:37:05.670 the void of unlimited free time without losing 00:37:05.670 --> 00:37:07.949 your mind, avoiding the trap of becoming the 00:37:07.949 --> 00:37:10.929 isolated elites, all of this requires tremendous 00:37:10.929 --> 00:37:13.849 sustained courage. But the return on that courage, 00:37:14.070 --> 00:37:16.730 the return, unleashes what Brian beautifully 00:37:16.730 --> 00:37:21.280 describes as A symphony of human triumph. A symphony 00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:23.539 of triumph. Imagine the music of a society that 00:37:23.539 --> 00:37:26.340 has finally, truly broken free from the daily 00:37:26.340 --> 00:37:29.960 grinding anxiety of basic survival. Worlds conquered. 00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:32.179 In the literal sense of stellar exploration, 00:37:32.380 --> 00:37:34.579 but also in the figurative realms of science, 00:37:34.679 --> 00:37:37.019 philosophy, and art. Spirits unbound from the 00:37:37.019 --> 00:37:39.179 artificial scarcity that has defined our species 00:37:39.179 --> 00:37:41.820 since the dawn of time. It is the promise of 00:37:41.820 --> 00:37:44.460 a golden epoch, an era where every soul has the 00:37:44.460 --> 00:37:47.019 opportunity to shine not as a replaceable cog 00:37:47.019 --> 00:37:49.639 in an industrial machine, but as an architect 00:37:49.639 --> 00:37:52.320 of their own destiny. If we navigate this correctly, 00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:55.230 we become the guardians of our legacy. ensuring 00:37:55.230 --> 00:37:58.809 that the fire of human ingenuity is never extinguished 00:37:58.809 --> 00:38:01.289 by the damp, heavy blanket of unearned comfort. 00:38:01.469 --> 00:38:03.429 We become the beacons of an unbreakable dawn. 00:38:03.610 --> 00:38:06.849 In this epic saga, as Brian writes, we are the 00:38:06.849 --> 00:38:09.730 heroes, and the future is our immortal realm. 00:38:10.030 --> 00:38:12.500 It's breathtaking. It really is. It takes this 00:38:12.500 --> 00:38:16.260 dark, terrifying, deeply cynical concept of the 00:38:16.260 --> 00:38:18.139 mouse utopia that we've been beaten over the 00:38:18.139 --> 00:38:20.900 head with for 50 years, and it flips it into 00:38:20.900 --> 00:38:23.079 the greatest call to action humanity has ever 00:38:23.079 --> 00:38:25.780 received. It provides the vital missing piece 00:38:25.780 --> 00:38:28.630 that Calhoun intentionally left out. The fire 00:38:28.630 --> 00:38:31.409 scheme. It provides the remedy. Awareness of 00:38:31.409 --> 00:38:34.130 the parallels, redesigned structures that liberate, 00:38:34.130 --> 00:38:37.489 the creation of wild zones, the intelligent reframing 00:38:37.489 --> 00:38:40.610 of basic income, and a deep commitment to personal 00:38:40.610 --> 00:38:43.190 metamorphosis. It is a complete, systemic, and 00:38:43.190 --> 00:38:45.030 individual solution to the greatest challenge 00:38:45.030 --> 00:38:47.269 of our time. Absolutely. And that brings us to 00:38:47.269 --> 00:38:49.429 the end of our deep dive into this incredibly 00:38:49.429 --> 00:38:52.829 profound Read Multiplex article. But I cannot 00:38:52.829 --> 00:38:54.809 let you go without leaving you with a final... 00:38:55.039 --> 00:38:56.960 Provocative thought. Something to take with them. 00:38:57.139 --> 00:38:59.840 Something for you to deeply mull over as you 00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:02.139 go about your day, as you look at your current 00:39:02.139 --> 00:39:04.940 job, as you observe the rapidly changing world 00:39:04.940 --> 00:39:07.179 around you. It's a big question. We've talked 00:39:07.179 --> 00:39:10.519 a lot about the macro today, society, laws, the 00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:13.039 monomyth. But let's make it deeply personal. 00:39:13.300 --> 00:39:16.780 Since the future is our immortal realm and you 00:39:16.780 --> 00:39:19.780 are the hero of this epic saga, what does your 00:39:19.780 --> 00:39:23.000 personal wild zone look like? That is the question. 00:39:23.139 --> 00:39:25.679 Think about it. If the call to adventure arrived 00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:27.579 at your doorstep tomorrow morning in the form 00:39:27.579 --> 00:39:30.420 of absolute abundance, let's say all your basic 00:39:30.420 --> 00:39:32.619 needs are met forever, your mortgage is gone, 00:39:32.699 --> 00:39:34.539 your health care is covered, and your traditional 00:39:34.539 --> 00:39:38.500 daily grind completely evaporates, what specific, 00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:41.820 unregulated genius would you unleash upon the 00:39:41.820 --> 00:39:44.679 world? What would you build? What would you explore? 00:39:44.739 --> 00:39:47.079 What art would you create? Or what science would 00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:50.480 you pursue to ensure that you never, ever become 00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:53.860 one of the isolated hollow, beautiful ones? It's 00:39:53.860 --> 00:39:56.159 a massive question. But as we enter the interregnum, 00:39:56.199 --> 00:39:58.500 it's the only question that matters. Thank you 00:39:58.500 --> 00:39:59.900 so much for joining us on this extraordinary 00:39:59.900 --> 00:40:02.099 journey today on The Deep Drive. Thank you. We 00:40:02.099 --> 00:40:04.659 hope this exploration of the Read Multiplex podcast 00:40:04.659 --> 00:40:07.639 themes has equipped you for the adventure ahead. 00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:10.119 We'll be back soon to explore the next frontier. 00:40:10.539 --> 00:40:13.320 Until then, stay curious, stay resilient, and 00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:14.179 keep forging your path.