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Okay, let's unpack this. Let's do it. Because

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there is a massive, silent, and frankly, awkward

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elephant in the room right now. And I don't mean

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a metaphorical elephant quietly standing in the

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corner of a boardroom. I mean an elephant that

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is sitting right there in your home office, right

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there in your cubicle, and definitely right there

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in the coffee shop where everyone is huddled

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over their laptops. It is the single biggest

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open secret of the modern workforce. Everyone

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knows it's there, but nobody is making eye contact

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with it. Exactly. Everyone is doing it, but no

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one wants to admit it. And we need to describe

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the scene because I think every single listener

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is going to recognize this moment. Oh, absolutely.

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You're at work. You're writing an email. Or maybe

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you're trying to debug some code. Or you're drafting

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a strategy document for the Q3 review. And you

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have a specific tab open. Yep. Maybe it's ChatGPT.

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Maybe it's Claude. Maybe it's Grok. You're in

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the flow. You type in a prompt, you get an answer,

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you copy, you paste, you tweak the language so

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it sounds a bit more like you. And then you hear

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footsteps. That's the moment. Someone walks by

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your desk or your boss comes up behind you. What

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do you do? Snap. Alt tab. Minimize window. Immediate

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reflex. The alt tab reflex. It is instantaneous.

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It's like we are all teenagers in the 90s hiding

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video games from our parents, except we are grown

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adults, professionals, hiding the most powerful

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tool in the history of human cognition. We're

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treating it like contraband. We're in this incredibly

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strange psychological state right now where we

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have access to the superpower and we are treating

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it like it's something shameful. It's the don't

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ask, don't tell. phase of technological adoption.

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It is a fascinating sociological phenomenon if

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you step back and look at it. It really is. We

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are seeing productivity gains across the economy

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that would have been unimaginable, literally

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science fiction five years ago. Yet the cultural

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narrative hasn't caught up. Not at all. There

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is this deep -seated fear that admitting to using

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AI is an admission of, well, cheating. That's

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the word that keeps popping up, cheating or laziness.

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Right. But there is a darker fear underneath

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cheating. The fear isn't just that you'll get

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a slap on the wrist. No, it's much deeper. The

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fear is that admitting you use AI is admitting

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that you, the human, are no longer necessary.

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That is the core tension. It's the nightmare

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scenario. If I say, hey, boss, the AI wrote 80

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% of this report, the fear is the boss says,

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great, the AI costs $20 a month and you cost

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a lot more than that. Why am I paying you? Precisely.

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And that fear is what we are going to dismantle

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today. Because if you remain in that state of

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hiding, of shame, of looking over your shoulder,

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you remain a victim of the technology. You're

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reactive. You're letting the tool happen to you.

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But there is another way. Welcome to the Read

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Multiplex podcast. Today, we are going back into

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the mind of the man who I think is seeing this

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clearer than anyone else. Brian Rimmel. Yeah.

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And I have to say, every time we dig into his

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work at Read Multiplex, I feel like my brain

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expands about three sizes. Brian really has no

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peer in this territory. And I don't say that

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lightly. You have plenty of analysts talking

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about stock prices or which chatbot has the best

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benchmarks this week or what the latest rumor

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is from Silicon Valley. But Brian is doing something

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completely different. He's on a different level.

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He is mapping the societal soul during this transition.

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He's looking at the anthropology of the future.

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He's not looking at the next quarter. He's looking

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at the next generation. And today, we are unpacking

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part 10 of his massive 5 ,000 Days series. A

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huge undertaking. Now, for anyone joining us

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who hasn't been following along with the Reed

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Multiplex deep dives, let's set the stage. What

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exactly are the 5 ,000 days? The 5 ,000 days

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is the specific timeline Brian has laid out,

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roughly spanning from late 2025 through to the

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late 2030s or early 2040s. So about 14, 15 years.

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Exactly. He calls this period the interregnum.

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Interregnum. That is such a heavy, evocative

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word. It sounds like something out of Game of

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Thrones or History of the Roman Empire. It is

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a historical term, and Brian uses it very deliberately.

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An interregnum refers to a pause or gap between

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two reigns. Between two kings. The old king is

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dead, the new king hasn't been crowned yet, and

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the laws are suspended. It's a time of chaos,

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but also a time of malleability. So in our case,

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who are the two kings? What are the two reigns?

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Brian argues we are leaving the reign of labor

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as identity, where who you are is defined by

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your nine -to -five job, and we are moving toward

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the reign of liberated potential. But we aren't

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there yet. We are in the messy, chaotic middle.

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We are in the gap between the trapeze bars. You've

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let go of the one behind you, the old economy,

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but you haven't quite caught the one in front

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of you. And that is a terrifying place to be.

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You're in midair. Exactly. And part 10 of this

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series is specifically designed to help us navigate

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that terror of being in midair. Okay, so what's

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the mission for today's deep dive? The mission

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for today is to flip the script on that secret

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AI user stigma we started with. We need to move

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from being victims of automation to becoming

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what Brian calls conductors of a new symphony.

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I love that image. The conductor. Because a conductor

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doesn't play every instrument, but the music

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doesn't happen without them. That's the goal.

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Brian introduces the concept of marshalling AI.

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It's not about checking a box or just using a

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tool. It's about existential amplification. Existential

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amplification. Wow. But before we get to the

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solution. We have to understand the journey we've

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been on because Brian frames this entire 14 -year

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transition using Joseph Campbell's hero's journey.

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Which is such a brilliant way to look at economics.

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It acknowledges that this isn't just a market

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shift. It's a mythology. It's an emotional narrative

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that we are all living through. Absolutely. So

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let's do a quick previously on for the listeners.

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Walk us through the hero's journey that has led

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us to part 10. So it begins with the ordinary

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world. That was part one of Brian's series. Our

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old normal. That's the world we are just starting

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to leave behind the evolutionary psychology of

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work as status. We are wired to work because

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for thousands of years, if you didn't work, you

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didn't eat and you didn't have status in the

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tribe. Right. Labor was synonymous with survival.

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Yeah. And status. Labor was identity. Right.

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And then comes the call to adventure, which in

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this story is the arrival of this high level

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generative AI. But what does the hero always

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do first? They refuse the call. Every time. That

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was parts two and three. The refusal and the

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grief. We saw denial. We saw anger. Brian referenced

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Elizabeth Kobler -Ross's stages of grief. And

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Kurt Vonnegut's novel, Play Her Piano. Exactly.

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It's that visceral reaction of, this machine

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is going to replace me and I hate it. I think

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a lot of people are still lingering in that phase,

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the rage against the machine phase. They are.

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And that's natural. It's a valid stage. But the

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journey pushes forward. We moved into the reframing

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phase in parts four through six. Okay, reframing.

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This was about using cognitive techniques like

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those from Scott Adams to reprogram your brain,

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to see the threat as an opportunity. This is

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where it got dark for a minute, though. It did.

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We faced the dark night of the soul, confronting

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the reality of zero human companies, companies

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that run entirely on code. That was the scary

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part, the belly of the whale. But then we hit

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a turning point in parts seven through nine.

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The reward and the road back. This is where we

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start to see the light. We looked at I &amp;M Banks'

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culture series, envisioning a post -scarcity

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world. What could life be like without mandatory

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labor? And part nine had that fantastic twist,

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the artisan's awakening. Oh, that was such a

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great insight. Oh, right. That was the realization

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that blue -collar work plumbers, electricians,

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carpenters is actually safer from AI than white

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-collar work. Because of Moravec's paradox. Explain

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that one more time. It's the paradox that things

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humans find hard, like abstract reasoning or

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chess, are easy for computers. But things we

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find easy, like physical dexterity or navigating

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a cluttered room, are incredibly hard for computers.

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So a robot is great at passing the bar exam,

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but it's terrible at fixing a leaky sink in a

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tight cupboard. Exactly. So the hierarchy of

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work flipped on its head. The lawyer became more

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vulnerable than the plumber. So now here we are

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at part 10. We are on the road back. We've been

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through the underworld. We've seen the potential

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reward. We know AI is here. We know the economy

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is changing. We know we need to adapt. But we

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are stuck. We are stuck in a psychological trap.

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Brian calls it the pressure paradox. The pressure

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paradox. OK. That's such a profound insight from

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Brian. Let's unpack this paradox because it feels

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counterintuitive. Yeah. If we know we need to

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use AI to keep up, and if the market is putting

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pressure on us to be more productive, shouldn't

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that pressure make us better at it? Shouldn't

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it force us to master the tools? You think so.

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Logically, it makes sense. But Brian argues that

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when the pressure to use AI comes from the outside,

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from your boss, from the market, from society

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screaming adapt or die, it actually hinders true

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mastery. It backfires. It creates resistance.

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Because nobody likes being told what to do. It

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feels like a mandate. It goes deeper than just

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teenage rebellion. Brian invokes the philosopher

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Martin Heidegger here, specifically his concept

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of technology as Gestell or in framing. Okay,

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let's take a beat here. Yeah. Gestell, in framing.

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That sounds like a heavy German pastry, but I

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know it's deeper than that. Break it down for

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us. So Heidegger warned that technology isn't

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just a tool. It's a way of revealing the world.

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The lens. And when technology in frames us. It

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frames the world in a way that turns everything

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into a resource to be mined, a standing reserve.

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Give us an analogy. Think about a forest. If

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you look at a forest with a poetic mindset, you

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see an ecosystem, beauty, mystery. You see the

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forest as a forest. Right. But if you look at

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a forest through the lens of industrial technology,

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through Gestell, you don't see a forest. You

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see lumber. You see standing reserve waiting

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to be processed into paper or two -by -fours.

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Okay, I follow. You stop seeing. the thing itself

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and start seeing its utility, its resourceness.

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Exactly. And now apply that to yourself in AI.

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When you are forced to use AI by a corporation

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to hit a quota, you aren't engaging with it as

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a creative partner. You're just trying to get

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the job done. You are inframing yourself. You

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become the standing reserve. Your intelligence,

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your creativity, it's just a resource to be optimized

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by the algorithm. You become a cog in the machine

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trying to keep up. That makes total sense. If

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my boss says, use ChatGPT to write five blog

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posts by noon, I'm not exploring the tool's potential.

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I'm not playing. I'm not discovering. I'm just

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trying to get the task off my plate so I don't

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get fired. I'm treating the AI and myself as

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just a means to an end. Precisely. You become

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inauthentic. And this is where Brian connects

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Heidegger to the psychologist Carl Rogers. Okay.

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Rogers talked about the conflict between self

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-concept and organismic experience. Translate

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that for the non -psychologists among us. Your

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self -concept is the story you tell yourself.

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I am a skilled writer. I spent years honing my

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craft. I am thoughtful and articulate. It's your

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professional identity. Okay, got it. But your

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organismic experience, your reality in the moment

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at your desk is, this AI just wrote a generic

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but passable version of my article in four seconds.

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Ouch. Yeah, that creates some serious friction.

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A real gut punch to the ego. It's cognitive dissonance.

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It hurts. It's an attack on your very sense of

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self. And the result is a defensive mechanism.

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You put up a wall. You do. either reject the

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tool entirely. That's the Luddite response. This

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thing is garbage. It has no soul. I'm a real

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writer. Or we use it superficially and secretly.

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That's the cheating response we talked about.

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We use it to hide our perceived inadequacy rather

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than using it to expand our capacity. So how

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do we break out of that? Because we can't just

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quit our jobs. We have to use these tools. How

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do we move from cheating to, well, winning? The

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key word for part 10 is volitional integration.

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Volitional. Meaning, for my own will, I have

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to choose it. You must choose the tool. The tool

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cannot be forced upon you. This is where Brian

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brings in Jean -Paul Sartre. Existentialism.

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Wow, we're hitting all the big thinkers today.

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Brian pulls from everywhere. Sartre said we are

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condemned to be free. We must choose our own

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essence. If you let your boss or the market force

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AI on you, you are acting like what gamers would

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call an NPC. A non -player character. You're

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just following a script. You're an object in

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someone else's story. But if I decide on my own

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terms, I am going to master this thing because

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I am curious about what I can build with it,

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then I'm the protagonist again. Exactly. It shifts

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from I have to use this to I get to use this.

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And that shift in your internal posture changes

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everything about how your brain engages with

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the technology. It becomes play. It becomes discovery.

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It becomes authentic. You know what I love about

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read multiplex is that Brian doesn't just leave

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us with a philosophy. He grounds it in history.

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He's a master of historical analogy. It's comforting

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to know that this feeling of technological angst

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isn't new. He shows us that we've panicked about

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this before. Many, many times. He is brilliant

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at this. He outlines four specific instances

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where we freaked out about a new tool, only to

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realize later that it didn't replace us. It elevated

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us. Let's go through these because I think they

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really help ground the fear. The first one is

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the calculator in the 1970s. Oh, the panic was

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real. We forget this now, but when the pocket

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calculator arrived, educators were terrified.

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They thought it was the end of civilization.

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They thought it would rot children's brains.

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It was a modern version of Plato's fear of writing.

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Plato thought if we wrote things down, we'd lose

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our memory. Teachers thought if we used calculators,

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we'd lose our ability to do math. And to be fair,

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I can't do long division in my head to save my

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life. Yeah. So were they right? Did it rot our

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brains? In a narrow sense, yes. We did de -skill

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in mental arithmetic. Most of us can't do complex

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calculations without a machine. Right. But Brian

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points out that we re -skilled in something far

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more valuable. Modeling and complex problem solving.

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Right. We stopped spending three hours doing

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the division and started spending that time figuring

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out what to divide to build a bridge that doesn't

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collapse. Exactly. You offloaded the low -level

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cognitive task to the machine, which freed up

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your brain for higher -level strategic thinking.

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So what was the lesson from that transition?

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The lesson is... Those who refused the calculator,

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the engineers who insisted on using slide rules

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because it was pure or the real way, became obsolete.

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They couldn't keep up. They couldn't keep up

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with the speed of calculation required for modern

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engineering. Those who mastered the calculator

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became the architects of the modern world. Okay,

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analogy number two. The spreadsheet. 1980s. VisiCalc.

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This one is fascinating for the financial world.

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Before VisiCalc and Lotus 1 -2 -3, banking was

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done on paper ledgers. It was slow, meticulous,

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artisan work. You had to be incredibly careful.

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One wrong number and the whole thing was off.

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Exactly. And the Wall Street bankers feared the

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spreadsheet. They called it a black box. They

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were afraid of errors they couldn't see. And

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there was another fear too, wasn't there? Something

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more... intuitive yes they felt they were losing

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financial intuition the greek concept of phrenesis

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or practical wisdom i can imagine the old school

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banker saying you don't feel the numbers if you

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don't write them that was precisely the argument

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that the physical act of writing connected them

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to the flow of capital and yet and yet The spreadsheet

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created the entire fintech industry. It allowed

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for what -if scenarios. What if interest rates

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go up? What if the market crashes? You could

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run a thousand models in an afternoon. It was

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a superpower. But Brian does add a warning here.

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Right. It wasn't all sunshine and rainbows. No.

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And this is a crucial point for our current moment

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with AI. He points out that the 2008 financial

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crash happened in part because people trusted

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the black box without understanding it. They

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were using the tool but not marshalling it. Exactly.

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They let the tool lead them. They ran complex

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models on mortgage -backed securities without

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having the phronesis to ask, wait, does this

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actually make sense in the real world? We need

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the human in the loop. The most effective bankers

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were those who combined their human intuition

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with the spreadsheet's power. Nietzsche's will

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to power, augmented by Excel. That's the hybrid

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model. Got it. Analogy number three, the dictaphone

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versus stenography. This goes back to the early

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1900s. Stenographers, people who wrote shorthand,

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were artists. It was a highly skilled profession.

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You had to train for years. A real craft. Then

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comes the dictaphone. You speak, it records on

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a wax cylinder. And the fear was the dehumanization

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of language, the loss of the art of shorthand.

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That sounds very familiar to the complaints about

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AI writing today. It has no soul. Exactly. But

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the dictaphone exploded productivity. And Brian

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makes the direct comparison to Otter .ai or AI

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transcription today. So what happened to the

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stenographers? Did they all lose their jobs?

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The role evolved. We aren't listening less. We

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are synthesizing more. The sonographer didn't

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disappear. They evolved into the executive assistant,

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the editor, the strategist who could take the

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raw transcript and turn it into actionable intelligence.

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Again, moving up the value chain. Okay, and the

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final analogy which feels the most direct, spell

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check. The fear that we would forget how to spell

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and lose our vocabulary. Which, again, kind of

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happened. My spelling is atrocious without red

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squiggly lines. Mine too. But did literature

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die? Did content disappear? No, it exploded.

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Blogging, social media, self -publishing, everyone

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became a writer. It allowed for a content explosion

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because it lowered the barrier to entry. And

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this is where Brian delivers such a powerful

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line. He argues that generative AI LLMs like

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ChatGPT are just spill check for ideas. That

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is a sticky phrase. Spill check for ideas. It

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is. It's not generating the core idea for you.

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You still have to have the insight, the vision.

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But it helps you check your structure, your logic,

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your clarity. It helps you articulate the idea

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better. It doesn't provide the soul. It polishes

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the vessel. Beautifully put. So we've looked

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at the history. We know that resisting the tool

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leads to obsolescence. We know that forced adoption

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leads to resentment and inauthenticity. So how

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do we actively take control? This brings us to

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the core solution of part 10, marshalling AI.

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My marshal. It's such a deliberate word choice

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by Brian. Think about what a marshal does. A

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field marshal in an army. They command. They

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arrange the troops. They have a strategy. Exactly.

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It implies order, command, arrangement. A marshal

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isn't a passenger. They are an authority figure.

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It is active, not passive. It's the antidote

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to that secret AI user stigma. You aren't hiding

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the tool. You are orchestrating it. You're proud

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of it. And Brian leans on Marshall McLuhan here,

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the famous media theorist. McLuhan famously said

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that all technologies are extensions of man.

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The wheel is an extension of the foot. Glasses

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are an extension of the eye. A hammer is an extension

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of the fist. Brian views AI as an extension of

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the central nervous system. That's a big leap.

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The wheel extending the foot makes sense. It

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helps me move. But an extension of the nervous

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system, that sounds almost biological, a cyborg

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concept. Think about what your nervous system

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does. It processes signals from the world. It

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senses patterns. It coordinates responses. It

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learns. Okay. Brian argues that AI magnifies

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your existing cognitive strengths. This is crucial.

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AI is not a replacement for you. It is an amplifier

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of you. Can you give a concrete example? How

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does it amplify me? Sure. Let's say you are naturally

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a very empathetic person. You're a teacher or

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a therapist. You might fear AI because it seems

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cold and calculating. A common fear. But if you

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marshal it, you can use AI to scale your empathy.

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How does a machine scale empathy? That feels

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like a contradiction. Imagine you have a class

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of 30 students. You know, from your human empathy

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that Johnny needs visual metaphors to understand

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history and Sarah needs strict logical bullet

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points and Michael learns best through stories.

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Right. But I only have so many hours in the day.

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I can't write 30 different lesson plans. But

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the A .I. has infinite time. So you, the marshal,

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the conductor, tell the A .I. Take this core

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lesson on the American Revolution. Now create

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a version for Johnny that uses metaphors about

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sports teams. Create a version for Sarah that

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is a logical outline. And create a narrative

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version for Michael. Wow. The AI handles the

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data processing, the grunt work of writing. You

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provide the empathetic direction. You've used

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the machine to extend your human care to more

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people more effectively. And if you're on the

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other end of the spectrum, if you're highly analytical.

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Then it scales your data processing. You can

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feed it a million rows of sales data and say,

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find the three most counterintuitive correlations.

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You become a super analyst. Your unique human

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ability to ask good questions is amplified. The

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practical skill here, the thing we actually need

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to learn to be a marshal, is prompt engineering.

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Right. But I feel like that term has gotten a

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bad rap lately. It sounds like learning cheat

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codes or just trying to trick the bot. Brian

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says it's more than that. He argues that prompt

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engineering is a core competency, not a fad.

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And he reframes it. He says it's about metacognition.

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Metacognition. Thinking about how you think.

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Whoa. Yeah. That sounds like Inception, but it's

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true. Explain that. How is writing a prompt thinking

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about thinking? Most people use AI lazily. They

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type in, write an email to my team about the

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new project. That's low metacognition. That's

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the victim mindset. You're asking the AI to do

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the thinking for you. Exactly. You're abdicating

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responsibility. And the marshal, the conductor.

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The marshal has already thought about the strategy.

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Their prompt sounds like this. Act as a project

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lead. Draft an email to a team of engineers who

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are feeling burnt out. The tone should be inspiring,

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but also acknowledge their hard work. The goal

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is to get them excited about Project Phoenix

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without minimizing the challenges. Reference

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our past success on Project Eagle. Generate three

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variations, one concise, one detailed, and one

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more informal. I see the difference. To write

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that prompt... I have to know what the strategy

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is in the first place. I have to understand my

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team's emotional state, our history, the project

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goals. Exactly. You have to be the expert to

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guide the AI. It pushes you to be clearer, smarter,

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and more intentional. Paradoxically, to use AI

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well, you have to be more human, not less. And

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it's not just text anymore. This is evolving

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so fast. We're talking about multimodal integration.

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This is where the conductor metaphor really sings.

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We have text, we have images with tools like

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Midjourney, we have code, we have voice. And

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a whole orchestra. A whole digital orchestra.

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And the AI symphonist is a new archetype Brian

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talks about. It's someone who can weave all these

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streams together to create something holistic.

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Brian references Kant's aesthetics here, which

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is not what I expected in an essay about AI.

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He does. The idea of blending human creativity

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with algorithmic serendipity. Serendipity. That's

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a beautiful word for software. I usually use

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other words. Well, think about it. It's when

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the AI gives you something weird, something you

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didn't expect. Maybe a phrase you wouldn't have

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chosen or an image that's slightly off kilter,

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a happy accident. Right. It makes a mistake,

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but it's an interesting mistake. The amateur

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rejects it because it's wrong. The artist, the

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master. Marshall uses it. They jam with it. It

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creates something neither the human or the machine

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could have created alone. I love that. It's like

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jazz. You're riffing with the machine. That's

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the highest level of marshalling. It's co -creation.

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So if we embrace this, if we become Marshalls,

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what does the future of work actually look like?

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Because let's be honest, the job as we know it

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is dying, isn't it? The job is evolving into

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the portfolio career. Brian predicts a shift

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from labor. To leverage. Labor to leverage. That's

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the bumper sticker for the next decade. We have

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data from McKinsey suggesting that centaurs,

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humans plus AI are 20 to 30 percent more productive

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than humans alone. The centaur, half human, half

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machine. But it's not just doing the same old

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job faster. It's about entirely new vocations,

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new ways of creating value. Let's speculate on

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some of these new roles based on Brian's analysis.

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What are the jobs of the interregnum? One major

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one is the AI curator. Curator, like in a museum.

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Similar concept. As AI generates infinite content,

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infinite art, infinite text, infinite code, the

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cost of creation drops to zero. Right. Supply

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becomes infinite. And when creation is free,

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what becomes valuable? Discernment. Knowing what's

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good. Curation. The ability to look at 100 AI

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-generated options and say, that one, that's

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the one that resonates. That's the one that tells

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the truth. That's the one with taste. So taste

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becomes a marketable skill. The ultimate human

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skill. Taste is the ultimate skill in a post

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-scarcity creation economy. If you have good

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taste, you can wield armies of AI to execute

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your vision. Then you have AI ethicists or auditors.

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The watchdogs. The referees. As models hallucinate

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or show bias, we need the human in the loop to

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be the moral arbiter. To make sure the machines

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are fair. Brian references John Rawls' veil of

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ignorance. We need humans to check the code and

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ensure it treats everyone fairly to audit the

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black box. We can't just trust it blindly. That's

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a crucial role. What about something more personal?

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The personal AI trainer. Like a gym trainer,

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but for your bot. In a way, it's about data sovereignty.

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This is a big theme for Brian. Right now, we

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feed our data to big companies like Google and

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OpenAI. We're making their models smarter with

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our lives. Exactly. But in the future, you will

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want to train models on your own proprietary

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data, your emails, your journals, your body of

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work, your private thoughts. You need someone

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who can help you build a digital you that stays

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under your control. So I can have an AI that

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thinks like me, that can draft responses in my

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voice, but works while I'm sleeping. And that

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you own completely. That's the goal. And finally,

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the narrative architect. That sounds grand. What

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does a narrative architect do? It is. It's using

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AI to build worlds, not just paragraphs. Because

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you can generate code, art, and text simultaneously,

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a single person can now build a video game or

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a movie or an interactive novel. The barrier

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to entry for world building has collapsed. You

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don't need a whole studio anymore. You can be

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a studio of one. It's exciting, but it's also

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daunting. We are moving from a world where we

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work for survival to eventually a world where

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we work for meaning. But we are in the interregnum.

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The messy middle. And the interregnum requires

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hustle, requires adaptation. And Brian is clear.

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This isn't a utopia yet. It's a transition. It's

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going to be bumpy. There will be winners and

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losers. So as we wrap up, let's bring it back

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to the listener. The person standing at their

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desk right now, maybe listening to this on headphones,

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ready to alt -tab away from chat GPT if their

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manager walks by. What is the final provocation?

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The provocation is stop hiding. Say it louder

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for the people in the back. Stop hiding. Admit

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you are using these tools, but, and this is critical,

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frame it as mastery. Don't say, yeah, I used

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AI because I was stuck. Say, I used AI to explore

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10 different strategic angles and synthesize

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the best one in half the time. Change the narrative.

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You aren't cheating. You're conducting. You aren't

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lazy. You're leveraging. Don't let your company

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dictate how you use AI. Don't let society shame

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you. Because here is the brutal truth of the

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5 ,000 days. The compound interest of wisdom

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is real. Explain that. Compound interest of wisdom.

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Those who start marshalling AI now, figuring

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out the prompts, the workflows, the synthesis,

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the co -creation will be so far ahead in five

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years it won't even be funny. Their skills will

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compound. And those who resist. They are the

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engineers cleaning to their slide rules while

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the calculator users are building skyscrapers.

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They will fall off the curve. It's not a threat.

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It's just historical gravity. It has happened

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with every major technological shift. Brian leaves

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us with a beautiful thought to close out. Part

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10. He says, this is the interregnum, but it

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is not purgatory. It is your time to transition

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from moment to moment ahead with grace. That's

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the goal. Grace, not panic, not denial. but a

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graceful, active participation in our own evolution.

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We have to be the architects of destiny, not

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the victims of the algorithm. Well said. And

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remember, this is only part 10. The journey continues.

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There are still thousands of days left in the

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interregnum. Plenty of time to learn and to start

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marshalling. Thanks for diving deep with us.

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Go open that tab and don't close it when someone

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walks by. Show them what you're building. We'll

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see you in the next deep dive. Keep conducting.
