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It's our privilege. And I didn't dare come back

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without bringing Gordon. Thank you. Thank you

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so much. Do be seated. I'm going to maybe just

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do ten minutes. I'm going to actually let Gordon

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take the lion's share this morning because you're

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far more interested in hearing from him because

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you've heard me many, many times. But I just

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feel that I wanted to just... give a context

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a little bit about why marriage matters and how

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it's so important we stake this ground and stake

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it aggressively but make it look positive because

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there is such an onslaught out there and there's

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such a negative vibe from media, from TV, you

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know all the soaps all say that actually the

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adulterous relationships, the ones where you're

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sort of getting attracted and where you walk

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down the road and notice that that guy's real

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fit and that girl's real cute is much more interesting

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than one that you got at home. And there's the

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whole of life, you know, your women's mags and

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everything are all saying, well get a kick, you

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know, switch something on and they never go have

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a good marriage. And so, actually, the church

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has got a massive media campaign, if you like,

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to show the opposite way. And we've got to do

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it for the sake of our kids and the next generation.

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We've got to begin to model something. And it's

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not enough just to do it at home. It's got to

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be seen. How many agree with me? And of course,

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it starts at the home, because everything spiritual

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starts on the inside and works out. But it's

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about time we let it out. We've got to let a

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shout out that marriage is great, that there's

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a whole generation of kids even before they're

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married want to be married and they go in the

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opposite flow to their kids at high school etc

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because they've got a passion for something because

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they've understood the rudiments of it and so

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I just want to start with this scripture in Proverbs

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4 verse 18 Proverbs 4 verse 18 and almost picking

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up from the ladies conference just to put a link

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and we've been talking about the pursuit of his

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presence and finding that way that journey which

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brings life to us. And here, Romans four, Romans,

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Proverbs four, verse 18, Proverbs four, verse

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18. The path of the righteous is like the first

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gleam of the dawn. If I can just have more monitors

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here, I really like sound in me, I'm sorry, because

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I otherwise lose my voice. The path of the righteous

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is like the first gleam of dawn, shining ever

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brighter to the full light of day. But the way

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of the wicked is like deep darkness. They do

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not know what makes them stumble. And I think

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this could be such a good illustration of marriage.

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You know, the path of a righteous marriage, that

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right -standing marriage that has found its alignment

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in the presence of God, is like that first gleam

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of the dawn. How many of you love sunrise? Well,

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I prefer sunset. But there's that first gleam

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of dawn With the expectation is going to get

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brighter and it's so interesting in today's Sort

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of campaign is the expectation with it the year

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honeymoons your best bit and then it goes downhill

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from there but actually the path of the righteous

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is only the first gleam and They gets brighter

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and brighter to the full noonday sun, but the

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wicked They live in darkness. They don't even

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know what's tripping them up and how true that

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is and so it's time that we begin to educate

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ourselves and I just wanted to start with this

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maybe big overview of what's going on and what's

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hitting us. And we need to be aware and intelligent

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and informed. In Britain, I just want to share

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this with you. This is what's happening in our

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legislature. And it's just gone through our government.

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This is Gordon Brown and Tony Blair, which many

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Americans I know believe are good Christians.

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I just want to say they have done more to undermine

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our moral and ethical fiber of British society

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than many prime ministers in the last years.

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Tony Blair legalized cannabis, he legalized 24

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drinking, he legalized gay marriage, he legalized

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super casinos with the vision of having 12 cities

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in Britain like Las Vegas, and so I could carry

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on. But then Gordon Brown, the next one, has

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just stepped in, and we had an overview of the

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look of our ethical sort of legislation. And

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four laws were passed about a month ago now.

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But I want to just show this to you because...

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The same pressure is coming in the U .S. and

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in Europe. And this is going to be first world

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culture for 21st century kids and marriages.

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And so something in us has got to rise up. That

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it's not just about modeling our marriage so

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we have a better life. That actually this is

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spiritual warfare to break through and pioneer

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a way. Because we believe in marriage. We believe

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in Adam and Eve. We believe in two women. I mean

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you laugh last year when I said it's Adam and

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Eve, not Adam and Steve. I believe that I'm ready

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to go to jail for that. I don't believe that

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that's wrong. I believe that that's what God

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intended. I do believe that we have an enemy

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that perverts, twists, steals, rob, kills, destroys.

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And I hate the devil and all his works. And I'm

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on a militant campaign to rescue every single

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person that the devil dares to target with his

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filth. I love people, but I hate the devil. Do

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you get what I'm saying? And so, coming back

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to the legislation, this is what was just passed

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in Britain. They looked at four different statutes

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and unfortunately all of them were passed against

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British, against Christian morality. The first

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one was what they called the Embryology Bill.

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This was looking at stem cell research and the

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use of embryological tissue from embryo stem

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cells. They then developed that further. I know

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US has done something, but Britain now has the

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most liberal legislation and embryology laws

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in the world. And what they then developed is

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and passed the law despite thousands and thousands

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of signatures against it. The MPs just wrote

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that these condescending letters saying we're

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going to do it anyway. This is now It's absolutely

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legal in Britain to take human embryological

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tissue, mix it with animal tissue, and begin

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to produce mutant monsters and grow them in laboratories

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until 14 days old. With a clause to extend that

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14 days if necessary. Can you see what we're

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doing? We're gonna grow monsters. Quite literally.

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Now, this is where America has some responsibility

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because the biotechnic sort of advance is still

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fairly contained legislatively in the US. The

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US pharmaceuticals are moving all their bases

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to Britain and they are funding this. You are

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throwing billions of dollars to now support British

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pharmaceuticals and you're paying for it. I don't

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mean that nastily, but that's the full facts.

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And we are growing. I mean they're just talking

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about, they've taken the heart of a pig, DNA,

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put it with human cells and they're growing this.

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If something in you begins to say, oh God have

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mercy, that was number one. Isn't it terrible?

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Number two. If I can even do it. It just, it

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so devastates me of how we've lost the plot and

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what God gave marriage for or what children and

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babies are about. Number two is the development

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of what has been called savior siblings. Now

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I have great, great compassion for people that

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give birth to a child with a genetic disease.

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And so what they're now developing is in the

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laboratories that they're actually growing babies

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by manipulating DNA. So a father and mother put

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their DNA together. They choose all the different

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combination cells, grow it in the laboratory

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until they can find the most exact DNA that would

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help the genetically deformed kid. And they grow

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that baby to full term. And the baby is then

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put back. into the mother's womb, that baby is

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delivered and then that baby's tissue is used

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to heal the other baby that was born defective.

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That is now legal. Number three, IVF treatment

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which we're all aware of. They have now decided

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that because homosexual and heterosexual relationships

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are no different. Because you see, once you take

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God out, there is no boundaries. So they've now

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said the need for a father is irrelevant. And

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so birth certificates in Britain, where IVF treatments

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used, will no longer have a father stated. And

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so we are literally, we have legalized the fatherless

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generation. Number four. It breaks my heart.

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Number four. We looked at abortion again. In

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Britain, it's still legal to abort up to 24 weeks.

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Um, 20... 1968. was when abortion was first legalized

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in Britain and it was last looked at 23 years

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ago in terms of how it should be contained by

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the British Medical Association. My field, if

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you wonder why I know quite a bit, my background

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is I'm a clinical biochemist. I worked in reproductive

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physiology. So I actually understand quite a

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lot of the background of this and have been on

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the cutting edge and have kept myself familiar

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with it. And so when the weeks of the abortion

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were first chosen 23 years ago. They decided

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24 weeks was reasonable and this was the process

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of thought by the British Medical Association

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then. At that time, to actually evaluate pregnancy

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was very much more of a dubious thing because

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our antibodies, which actually specify you're

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pregnant, were very much more less defined. And

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so we used to take five mils of urine, you know,

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look down the tube, see if it's a blue thing,

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then repeat it in three weeks, and then you definitely

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were confirmed. And usually, as a medical profession,

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we were not really happy to definitely confirm

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pregnancy until 12 weeks. How many of you know

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that week has dropped dramatically? We are now

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very confident as a medical profession to be

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able to say it six weeks whether you're pregnant

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or not because our beta HCG Analysis is so much

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better. So we've dropped that by six weeks. Do

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you get what I'm saying? And so at that time

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12 weeks was after And so they thought, we'll

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give people 12 weeks, three months to make the

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choice, 24 weeks. But now we've dropped by six

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weeks. We can definitely look at a girl and say,

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you are definitely pregnant in six weeks. And

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so we were proposing that we drop 24 weeks to

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20 weeks, and some are pushing for 18. Across

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Europe, Britain is number one at 24. There is

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one other nation. that has 18, four nations that

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have 16 and the rest are at 14. So we're already

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sky high anyway. The pressure to get those weeks

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dropped was huge. Many, you know, not religious

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background people stood and testified to the

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government. There was one nurse who just testified

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on half of the British Medical Association who

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said that she had stirred. after an abortion

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because the terrible thing is you've got people

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miscarrying and people aborting and now our ICU

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neonatal clinics are able to help people of 24

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weeks and so you've got medical doctors with

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a baby of 24 weeks giving everything to keep

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him alive and then you've got others saying we'll

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kill him so this dear nurse is standing there

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An abortion delivery at 24 weeks is delivered.

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It's a baby boy. It's delivered into a cardboard,

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you know, kidney sort of tray thing. And the

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baby's breathing. She's told, well, it's just

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human waste. Put it down the chute. Just like

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when you do surgery, you know, heart, et cetera.

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It happens in America. This is exactly what happens

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in America. And it's considered human waste because

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it's not a baby. And so this little baby's there,

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it lives for seven hours, breathing. She's absolutely

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devastated, there's all the medical thing and

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screaming at her, just stick it down the chute,

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stick it down the chute. And she said, in the

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end she did. And she said, I know I committed

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murder that day. So that went to government,

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a huge thing. We kept it exactly the same, we

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didn't even know the abortion rate by one day.

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Despite literally... And maybe this is quite

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a weird way to start an ill marriage. But you

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see, what I'm trying to say is somebody's got

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to cry out. There's got to come an outcry we've

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got to understand that what we're fighting in

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the whole marriage thing of a man and a woman

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coming together for the procreation of precious

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children to pass on from generation to generation

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to generation is something so close to the heart

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of God and something that the devil hates with

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such a passion we have no understanding how much

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he hates it and so we've got to come together

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in these days and in these times to battle scrap

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because this is the time of marriage. This is

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the time to come together to fight the filthy

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devil and all his works every spirit of depression

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every spirit of oppression Against that marriage

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and begin to stand up as men and women in this

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day without shame and without blame For what

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has been done and if you have been through those

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difficult things There is power in the blood

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of Jesus to eradicate all our sin. He redeems

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us. He cleans us he He gives us our head up and

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our shoulders back, and then He gives us purpose.

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And I tell you, in fact, those that have gone

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through some of the mess of those times, they

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are the ones who need to have the outcry from

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the inside out and begin to speak out to a fatherless,

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literally, generation, to a murdering generation,

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and begin to explain the better way, because

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this is our mandate as the body of Christ. And

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that is why... I believe marriage matters. That's

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why I believe there is such a hellhole battle.

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And that's why this morning Gordon is going to

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come, and we're really going to look at, well,

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what is the role of man and woman in 21st century?

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What does the Bible actually say a man looks

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like? What does the Bible actually say a woman

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looks like? We read so much stuff of what our

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role should be, of how we should look, but we've

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got to go back to basics. We've got to let God

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show us, well, what does Jesus look like as the

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bridegroom, and how should we as men really be?

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those bridegroom men that raise a bride that's

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radiant, spotless, beautiful, and it's going

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to wow the world that this is what it's like.

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And come on, girls, what do we do in that role

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of women to make the bridegroom? And that whole

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earth exclaims the darling of heaven. And that

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is our mandate. And we've got to kill the wretched

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spirits that are out there that literally are

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robbing generation after generation, marriage

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after marriage. There's got to be such an outcry

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in us. It's enough. It's enough. And as I look,

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and okay, the British church is political in

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church, so I'll just do it. But as I look and

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I've really followed the election campaign of

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both your Democratic and your Republican candidate

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now. And as you look at Kane and Obama, and I

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go on record, I love looking at voting records

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and finding, because I'm not so interested in

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all the hype. Go behind and go online and you

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can find the voting records of their moral and

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ethical choices. Because when no one's watching

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and they think they've got a free vote and they

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can do it and no one chases them, you can track

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them down. And I have to say, America, both your

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candidates do not have good voting records. It

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doesn't matter if they're Republican or... their

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heart cry when they're in the booth by themselves

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on moral issues is not being good for either

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of them so it needs serious prayer and so it

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isn't really about that it's about much more

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a fight for righteousness in a land so guess

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who can fill the gap the church come on church

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this is your hour Come on, Gordon, this is yours.

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She's amazing. Well, it's so good to be here.

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Rachael's talked so much about the church. I've

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had a great time. I talked to the ladies yesterday.

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We're going to look at marriage, communication

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marriage. Do you want to take this? Turn to the

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famous passage, Ephesians 5, from verse 21. For

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verse 21, Ephesians 5, submit to one another.

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Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.

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Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord,

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for the husband is the head of the wife as Christ

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is the head of the church, his body of which

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he is the savior. Now as the church submits to

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Christ, so also wives should submit to their

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husbands in everything. Husbands, now love your

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wives just as Christ loved the church and gave

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himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing

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her by the washing with water through the word,

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and to present her to himself as the radiant

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church without stain or wrinkle or any other

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blemish, but holy and blameless. In the same

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way, husbands ought to love their wives as their

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own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.

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After all, No one ever hated his own body, but

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he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does

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the church. For we are members of his body. For

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this reason, a man will leave his father and

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mother and be united to his wife, and the two

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will become one flesh. This is a profound mystery,

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but I am talking about Christ and the church.

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However, each one of you must also love his wife.

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as he loves himself and the wife must respect

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her husband. So Father we want to thank you for

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today. Thank you Lord in the context of this

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battle for marriage. Lord we want to thank you

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that you're saying arise shine come on let's

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let the glory of God come back on marriages.

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Father we pray for revelation today as we just

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open up this whole subject of our marriages that

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you will just speak to every one of us where

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we're at. that we will just know the Word of

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God individually to our situations, but also

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corporately of something that you want to do

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in our lives. So thank you, Father. Amen. I really

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want to frame this in the whole context of our

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journey, journey into togetherness, journey into

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communication and oneness. And just so you don't

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think that we are Mr. and Mrs. Perfect, it would

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be good for you to know where we come from. And

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I shared a little bit with the women yesterday,

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but I come from a real male chauvinist, independent

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background. I'm an ex -British Army officer.

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I was a captain of the British Army. And totally

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independent. I didn't have any time for marriage

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at all. I remember when I first met Rachel, I

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said, actually, I don't really want to get married.

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I just want to have children. This was long before

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we fell in love. So yeah, I just didn't want

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to let anybody in my life. I was completely independent

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and Finally got married at about 30 just just

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as I was reaching 30, but I was I was Independent

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because I was I was very fearful. I was I was

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damaged and I went through quite a serious nervous

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breakdown when I was in the British Army Not

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because of the situation that I was in, I was

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in Northern Ireland at the time, but that was

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my third tour. But it was because my life was

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ruled by the fear of man, and God allowed that

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fear of man just to take hold of me because he

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called me out of the army, he called me to go

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and work full time for him. Because I wouldn't,

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I just refused. God allowed me just to reap the

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fruit of that, and I just got completely overwhelmed

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with fear. Four of my soldiers were killed in

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the first week on the third tour. But I was a

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nervous wreck. I couldn't talk to people without

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shaking. I used to have panic attacks all the

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time. And Rachel, when I first met her, she also

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had been deeply damaged. Wonderful parents, but

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deeply damaged in India and had had some difficult

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things happen to her in India. So she used to

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drop her eyes. She never used to look anybody

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in the eye. She used to drop her eyes and run

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for a chair. and just used to hide on the edges.

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Now those two black holes got married. And you

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can imagine the fireworks that that was going

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to cause and the pain that we had to go through.

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But the key to the whole thing was what I could

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see. Because when I first saw Rachel, even though

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she was very wounded, I saw a wounded eagle.

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I saw a wounded, damaged eagle that was... held

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in this cage. And I was just longing to see that

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eagle be healed and fully released. And it was

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quite a time. It took quite a few years before

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she really came to healing and fullness. But

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it was a process of allowing both of us to go

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through a repair time and then a rebuild time

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and then a time of release. And people always

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used to talk to me about the vision of heaven

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and hell being the same. In that heaven, sorry

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hell was a place where there's a vast table of

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a banquet where people were confronted with this

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massive bounty and they had six foot long forks

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and they were desperately trying to feed themselves

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and they couldn't do it so they were totally

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emaciated and just these skinny emaciated beings.

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But heaven was the same banqueting table and

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they just learnt. that to survive and to grow

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and to prosper they had to feed each other. Now

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heaven and hell are the same in marriage. Your

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marriage can be heaven and hell depending on

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how you see it. And if you come in to feed yourself

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for your rights, me, my, I, it's absolute hell.

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When you learn to feed each other and help each

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other and build each other up and rebuild each

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other and then release each other, it's absolute

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heaven. And the very same thing can be heaven

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or hell. And we discovered very soon, and believe

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me, we had some good fat fights at the beginning,

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like everyone else does, until we discovered

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that actually we both had an emotional tank.

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We both needed to be filled. And our job was

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not to fill ourselves and to make ourselves get

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filled. Our job really was to fill each other's

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emotional tank. And my fuel that I run on is

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to be appreciated, respected, valued. encouraged.

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And Rachel, you know, women's emotional tank,

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they needed different fuels. She needed tenderness,

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she needed time, she needed, you know, the same

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respect. You know, she needed their lovey -dovey

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things that really made her feel wonderful. Different

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fuels, but we both need to fill each other. And

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I very soon discovered that if I didn't spend

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time to fill her emotional tank, I very soon

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saw an empty tank, and I discovered the tiger

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in the tank. and the growl would begin to come

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and then I would begin to criticize her but the

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trouble is it was my fault because my job as

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a husband is to drown the tiger in the tank because

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Rachel had a profound impact on my life because

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I'm a third, fourth generation British Army officer

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I had never cried I don't think ever in my life

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until I met Rachel And then I've never stopped

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crying ever since. But she helped unlock so much

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of what was a completely, you know, emotion dead,

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totally emotion dead British Army officer. But

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it was one of the most wonderful days of my life

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when... Quite a number of years later, we were

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in Malaysia. We'd been crusade directors So I

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had been a crusade director with Reinhard Bonnker

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for about four years traveling around ahead of

00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:21.960
Reinhard Bonnker organizing his crusades Rachel

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had just been a wonderful wife with our two kids

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just following me along. She'd never preached

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one message never done any Bible studies, but

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She had a revelation a blinding flash of revelation

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in Malaysia that God just spoke to her He gave

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her exactly the same scripture he gave to me

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about blowing the trumpet in Zion, proclaiming

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to the nation, prepare for war. And God just

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told her to get up and begin to start declaring

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spiritual warfare in the churches. This was in

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an Islamic nation. And overnight she changed.

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And I told the story of how I watched her in

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one meeting changing from little Rachel to suddenly

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ministry Rachel, literally in one moment of that

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revelation. And I... she beckoned from down the

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front row, said, Dani, I've got a little, I've

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got a word from the Lord. And as that male chauvinist

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that I was, I thought it was a little five -minute

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picture, nice little thing, you know, very patronizing.

00:28:17.509 --> 00:28:20.970
And she took the microphone and I just was shocked.

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as she preached without notes for an hour just

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under the anointing of God with such a lion roar

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inside her drew a lion across the platform and

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just a devil this far no further back off and

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I thought wow what's happened to this woman and

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the anointing of God was so strong as she was

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preaching people were just looking dazed and

00:28:42.569 --> 00:28:46.519
people even saw angels proclaiming, blowing trumpets

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above her head. That was one of the members of

00:28:48.779 --> 00:28:50.599
the government, just saying, what are those angels

00:28:50.599 --> 00:28:53.400
over her head? And people couldn't even come

00:28:53.400 --> 00:28:54.880
up on the platform, because they touched the

00:28:54.880 --> 00:28:56.299
platform, they just fell down in the spirit.

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But the thing is, that lifted, and then Little

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Rachel appeared again. And I began to discover,

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it's in the anointing, in Christ, under the anointing,

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there's neither male nor female. And I began

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to discover there was Little Rachel, my wonderful

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little Rachel and there was anointed ministry

00:29:16.589 --> 00:29:19.769
Rachel and the thing is anointed ministry Rachel

00:29:19.769 --> 00:29:23.029
is not it's not the whole thing you've got it

00:29:23.029 --> 00:29:24.769
and I know you've all come to know little Rachel

00:29:24.769 --> 00:29:29.569
too haven't you she's very mischievous very naughty

00:29:29.569 --> 00:29:35.910
full of fun but it's you've got it you've got

00:29:35.910 --> 00:29:39.109
to see that because the anointing is not the

00:29:39.109 --> 00:29:42.559
person and I began to respect the anointing As

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I shared yesterday, ever since that moment, I've

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been called Rachel's husband all around the world.

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But that is a great honor. 1 Corinthians 11 -12

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says that the wife is the glory of the husband.

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She is the outshining of that relationship. And

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if there's a good relationship, she is the radiance,

00:30:01.920 --> 00:30:05.059
the reflection of what is happening in that relationship,

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the reflection of what God is doing right inside

00:30:07.779 --> 00:30:12.920
there. And we very soon discovered that we had

00:30:12.920 --> 00:30:16.339
to flow together. In 1 Peter chapter 3 verse

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7, it talks about husbands being considerate

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with their wives and treating them as a weaker

00:30:21.619 --> 00:30:25.980
vessel, but as heirs together of the gracious

00:30:25.980 --> 00:30:28.440
gift of life. And we are heirs together. There

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was no sense that I could get into God by myself,

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you know, I was fed up with Rachel, get into

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God by myself and go for it. It didn't work.

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We had to come together. We were as together

00:30:41.029 --> 00:30:43.930
of the greatest gracious gift of life and even

00:30:43.930 --> 00:30:46.309
though ministry Rachel was very strong very anointed

00:30:46.309 --> 00:30:49.890
like a lion Roaring sometimes like a general

00:30:49.890 --> 00:30:53.049
little Rachel needed love tenderness consideration

00:30:53.049 --> 00:30:58.210
respect two different people The sad thing is

00:30:58.210 --> 00:30:59.970
that we came back from the mission field and

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I'm going to be very honest here We came back

00:31:01.529 --> 00:31:04.289
from the mission field and we went into a denomination

00:31:04.289 --> 00:31:06.930
at the time. It was a charismatic denomination

00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:09.900
which didn't believe in women ministers. And

00:31:09.900 --> 00:31:13.000
so, not being rebellious people, Rachel was really

00:31:13.000 --> 00:31:15.980
put back in the cage. And eagles don't do well

00:31:15.980 --> 00:31:20.140
in a cage. They get sick. They get, they begin

00:31:20.140 --> 00:31:23.140
to molt. And Rachel was sick all the time for

00:31:23.140 --> 00:31:27.099
about three years. She really was damaged. I

00:31:27.099 --> 00:31:29.319
was taken away with the men to be with the men.

00:31:29.579 --> 00:31:31.720
And Rachel was just, she was actually told, go

00:31:31.720 --> 00:31:33.559
and teach the women how to clean the houses and

00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:36.819
clean their toilets, their bathrooms. Unbelievable.

00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:40.759
patronizing. But she was sick all the time. It

00:31:40.759 --> 00:31:43.380
damaged our communication. Even though we had

00:31:43.380 --> 00:31:45.859
flown like two eagles for those years with Reinhard

00:31:45.859 --> 00:31:49.480
Banke, back in that wrong religious atmosphere,

00:31:50.039 --> 00:31:53.319
that killed the communication between us. And

00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:56.460
it was serious. I remember three years into that,

00:31:56.680 --> 00:31:58.160
Rachel was in hospital. I think it was on an

00:31:58.160 --> 00:32:01.230
Easter day. And suddenly a cry came from deep

00:32:01.230 --> 00:32:04.349
within her, just saying, I've got to be me. I've

00:32:04.349 --> 00:32:08.190
got to be me. She was born to preach. She knew

00:32:08.190 --> 00:32:11.789
that. She just said, God, let me out. And some

00:32:11.789 --> 00:32:14.809
precious man of God saw what was happening in

00:32:14.809 --> 00:32:17.410
the spirit. And he said to Rachel, he took us

00:32:17.410 --> 00:32:19.509
out to a meal and he said to Rachel, hey, look,

00:32:19.869 --> 00:32:21.630
we've never, we believe in women preachers, but

00:32:21.630 --> 00:32:23.430
we've never had one. He said, I've got a conference

00:32:23.430 --> 00:32:25.990
of 2000. I want you to take the main sessions.

00:32:26.690 --> 00:32:30.509
And we went to that conference. He'd never heard

00:32:30.509 --> 00:32:32.930
her preach but God just told him to release her.

00:32:33.089 --> 00:32:34.849
We went to that conference and our communication

00:32:34.849 --> 00:32:38.490
really was very bad at that time and I remember

00:32:38.490 --> 00:32:41.150
her going up on the stage. She took the microphone

00:32:41.150 --> 00:32:44.970
and suddenly I began, I just started sobbing

00:32:44.970 --> 00:32:48.279
because I saw the eagle coming out again. I saw

00:32:48.279 --> 00:32:50.500
her beginning to fly. I saw the prophetic accuracy,

00:32:50.980 --> 00:32:53.880
like eagles' eyes touching people. The power

00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:57.400
of God just fell. People were weeping, and just

00:32:57.400 --> 00:32:59.460
the intercession just began to come up from the

00:32:59.460 --> 00:33:03.839
people. And I vowed then I would never allow

00:33:03.839 --> 00:33:07.339
anybody to put Rachel back in that cage, because

00:33:07.339 --> 00:33:09.640
we're called to be one. We're called to be two

00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:13.119
eagles. We've actually, we've been, for the last

00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:15.369
three years, we've... been in quite a difficult

00:33:15.369 --> 00:33:17.789
spiritual situation. I've gone back into the

00:33:17.789 --> 00:33:20.170
Anglican world, and it's been difficult because

00:33:20.170 --> 00:33:22.369
we've had to adjust to that. Because I'm a Pentecostal,

00:33:22.390 --> 00:33:24.769
I'm an Assemblies of God minister for the last

00:33:24.769 --> 00:33:28.170
18 years. But I've had to adjust to the Anglican,

00:33:28.309 --> 00:33:31.009
that's Episcopalian world. And we found that

00:33:31.009 --> 00:33:33.869
difficult. We've had to really adjust to that.

00:33:38.670 --> 00:33:45.859
I want to talk about three crises. which tend

00:33:45.859 --> 00:33:48.839
to make the glory fade in our communication.

00:33:49.859 --> 00:33:53.019
And they come from this passage here in Ephesians.

00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:56.880
The first one is a crisis and a misunderstanding

00:33:56.880 --> 00:34:00.980
of headship because here it talks about the husband

00:34:00.980 --> 00:34:05.740
being the head of the wife as Christ is the head

00:34:05.740 --> 00:34:09.579
of the church. The husband is the head of the

00:34:09.579 --> 00:34:12.480
wife as Christ is the head of the church. his

00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:17.059
body of which he is a savior. Now, headship has

00:34:17.059 --> 00:34:20.780
been eroded by a lot of feminism. A lot of feminists

00:34:20.780 --> 00:34:24.719
deliberately eroded that thing. And actually,

00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:28.659
it has eroded the security which women had before.

00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:32.480
But because of our misunderstanding of headship,

00:34:33.280 --> 00:34:36.000
we treat it in the way the world sees headship.

00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:38.500
But if you've studied kingdom, you'll know that

00:34:38.500 --> 00:34:41.940
every kingdom value is upside down. to the worldly

00:34:41.940 --> 00:34:43.980
values. If you want to go up in the kingdom,

00:34:44.179 --> 00:34:46.800
you've got to go down. If you want to live in

00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:48.539
the kingdom, you've got to die. If you want to

00:34:48.539 --> 00:34:50.900
receive, you've got to give. If you want to be

00:34:50.900 --> 00:34:55.000
head, guess where you've got to go? You've got

00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:57.780
to lay your life down. And it talks about it

00:34:57.780 --> 00:35:02.599
here. It talks about husbands love your wives

00:35:02.599 --> 00:35:08.099
as Christ loved the church and gave himself up

00:35:08.099 --> 00:35:12.019
for her. The place of headship is a laid -down

00:35:12.019 --> 00:35:16.340
life. That is the only way that we can be respected

00:35:16.340 --> 00:35:18.699
for our headship, that we're willing to lay our

00:35:18.699 --> 00:35:22.159
lives down. Now, how did Christ become my head?

00:35:23.380 --> 00:35:28.239
Christ became my head by looking at me and seeing

00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:32.280
that I was to blame, but he was willing to take

00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:36.019
the blame and lay his life down. And men, don't

00:35:36.019 --> 00:35:40.260
kill me. But when you know that your wife is

00:35:40.260 --> 00:35:43.119
wrong, according to your perspective, to become

00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:48.199
head. You don't put yourself above. You actually

00:35:48.199 --> 00:35:50.579
are willing to take the blame for that situation,

00:35:50.940 --> 00:35:53.760
to lay your life down, lay out the drawbridge,

00:35:54.360 --> 00:35:58.280
and allow her to come out of that place of isolation.

00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:02.280
And that is how headship works. We realize that

00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:04.739
in an argument, and when there's a dividing wall

00:36:04.739 --> 00:36:07.539
between us, that the only way of unity is for

00:36:07.539 --> 00:36:09.079
the husband to be willing to take the blame.

00:36:09.159 --> 00:36:10.960
Darling, I'm so sorry that I've allowed this

00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:13.320
to happen. I'm so sorry this has happened. I'm

00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:15.219
so sorry that we've got this division between

00:36:15.219 --> 00:36:19.199
us. Even when you know, and maybe even she knows,

00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:23.139
that she's in the wrong. But by criticizing and

00:36:23.139 --> 00:36:26.079
by accusing, you just shut the door even more.

00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:29.010
It's by putting yourself down. that suddenly

00:36:29.010 --> 00:36:30.829
she can breathe again because she knows she's

00:36:30.829 --> 00:36:33.789
secure, that actually she can come out and be

00:36:33.789 --> 00:36:37.989
one with you. Now what it does, it shows in this

00:36:37.989 --> 00:36:41.010
passage it does three things. He gave himself

00:36:41.010 --> 00:36:43.730
up for one, to make her holy. That means to make

00:36:43.730 --> 00:36:47.949
her special. Holy means exclusively set apart

00:36:47.949 --> 00:36:51.110
for you. And when a wife realizes that you're

00:36:51.110 --> 00:36:53.269
willing to lay your life down and to take the

00:36:53.269 --> 00:36:55.530
blame in situations, give her that security,

00:36:55.929 --> 00:36:59.309
she will do anything for you. If you're going

00:36:59.309 --> 00:37:02.769
to stand back from her and criticize and criticize,

00:37:03.130 --> 00:37:04.929
there's no way she's going to separate herself

00:37:04.929 --> 00:37:08.050
exclusively for you. And that's what happens.

00:37:08.349 --> 00:37:10.829
Suddenly they're willing to open up and make

00:37:10.829 --> 00:37:14.070
themselves exclusively available. The second

00:37:14.070 --> 00:37:18.110
area is to cleanse her with the washing with

00:37:18.110 --> 00:37:21.329
water through the word. Now that's a picture

00:37:21.329 --> 00:37:27.309
of taking hold of burdens because just as Christ

00:37:28.220 --> 00:37:32.320
took the burdens of sin off mankind. Man wasn't

00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:36.039
made to carry the burden of sin. Christ was.

00:37:36.500 --> 00:37:39.340
Christ could take on that burden of sin. That's

00:37:39.340 --> 00:37:42.380
why he's the burden bearer. We cast all our sin

00:37:42.380 --> 00:37:45.440
onto him. But in a married situation, the wife

00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:50.500
is not born made to carry emotional stress. She's

00:37:50.500 --> 00:37:53.239
got to have time to offload it onto her husband.

00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:56.710
It doesn't, it shouldn't. affect us. We should

00:37:56.710 --> 00:37:58.710
be able to take it off and then just offload

00:37:58.710 --> 00:38:02.590
it elsewhere. And so there has to be time, has

00:38:02.590 --> 00:38:05.349
to be time, where we talk. And this is one of

00:38:05.349 --> 00:38:07.590
the things that is most robbed in ministry people,

00:38:07.730 --> 00:38:10.309
that we just don't get that quality time. We

00:38:10.309 --> 00:38:12.710
have to fight for that time, certainly in our

00:38:12.710 --> 00:38:15.349
current position. We have to fight for that time,

00:38:15.570 --> 00:38:17.369
where Rachel can offload some of the stress and

00:38:17.369 --> 00:38:20.610
the pressure that is on her. And then that washing

00:38:20.610 --> 00:38:22.909
with water through the word, just allowing those

00:38:22.909 --> 00:38:28.519
words to touch and to heal and to make secure.

00:38:31.179 --> 00:38:35.019
That finally brings us to the thing of, to present

00:38:35.019 --> 00:38:37.880
her to himself as a radiant church. That means

00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:40.519
there is a place of radiance. The wife begins

00:38:40.519 --> 00:38:44.380
to carry a glory when she's done that. When there's

00:38:44.380 --> 00:38:48.199
a sense of being valued, secure, then there's

00:38:48.199 --> 00:38:50.960
a new sense of head up, as Rachel calls it, shoulders

00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:54.030
back, a sense of radiance, confidence. because

00:38:54.030 --> 00:38:57.469
she is loved. So that's the first crisis, a misunderstanding

00:38:57.469 --> 00:39:00.949
of headship. The second one is a crisis of fatherhood.

00:39:01.030 --> 00:39:05.849
And I think we often, in religious circles, we

00:39:05.849 --> 00:39:10.190
have a sine eye model of fatherhood, laying down

00:39:10.190 --> 00:39:12.730
the law. We think that brings security. We lay

00:39:12.730 --> 00:39:15.349
down the law. We do this. Rather than the Calvary

00:39:15.349 --> 00:39:20.610
model of fatherhood, where we're willing to come

00:39:20.610 --> 00:39:25.429
down and walk alongside and just lift people

00:39:25.429 --> 00:39:28.050
up. And I know certainly that this is one of

00:39:28.050 --> 00:39:30.690
the greatest crises we have in our society. It's

00:39:30.690 --> 00:39:32.530
not a crisis of leadership, it's a crisis of

00:39:32.530 --> 00:39:35.309
fatherhood. Of people being able to, of children

00:39:35.309 --> 00:39:38.050
feeling that they have their father alongside

00:39:38.050 --> 00:39:40.849
them. We had a friend who's from Argentina who

00:39:40.849 --> 00:39:45.329
came to England in the early 90s to try and stir

00:39:45.329 --> 00:39:48.730
up revival in England. Now he brought with him

00:39:48.730 --> 00:39:51.989
an 11 year old son. who got really traumatized

00:39:51.989 --> 00:39:55.869
because he left his friends, his culture, his

00:39:55.869 --> 00:39:58.090
language, everything he left behind. Now his

00:39:58.090 --> 00:40:00.230
father was having a great time preaching and

00:40:00.230 --> 00:40:03.510
doing everything. And so slowly the gap between

00:40:03.510 --> 00:40:07.309
father and son just got wider and wider. And

00:40:07.309 --> 00:40:09.670
Marcus got really offended with God and just

00:40:09.670 --> 00:40:11.809
said, God, this is not fair. I'm doing all of

00:40:11.809 --> 00:40:14.110
your business. Why aren't you looking after my

00:40:14.110 --> 00:40:16.630
son? And God just said to him, Marcus, you're

00:40:16.630 --> 00:40:18.590
not fathering him. And he said, but of course

00:40:18.590 --> 00:40:20.769
I am. And by then, you know, he was really laying

00:40:20.769 --> 00:40:23.289
down the rules. Sinai model. He was making sure

00:40:23.289 --> 00:40:26.130
his son was in at this time and did this and

00:40:26.130 --> 00:40:30.349
that. And so he was very much a head down Sinai

00:40:30.349 --> 00:40:34.309
model father. And God said to him, Marcus, that's

00:40:34.309 --> 00:40:37.650
not how I fathered you. I came into your mess.

00:40:38.050 --> 00:40:40.809
I came alongside you. I didn't criticize you.

00:40:41.010 --> 00:40:44.289
I didn't count your sin against you. I was with

00:40:44.289 --> 00:40:47.219
you until you... connected with me and then all

00:40:47.219 --> 00:40:50.079
that was on me came on to you. And he said, Marcus,

00:40:50.139 --> 00:40:52.280
I want you to give up some of your revival preaching.

00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:56.159
Take time with your son. You know, it was quite

00:40:56.159 --> 00:40:57.940
a difficult thing for him. He had to ring up

00:40:57.940 --> 00:41:01.539
and cancel quite a lot of his assignments and

00:41:01.539 --> 00:41:04.000
some of his preaching. And his son had gone into

00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:05.699
a completely different culture. He used to get

00:41:05.699 --> 00:41:08.280
up very early in the morning and watch satellite

00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:11.679
TV to watch all the American football and all

00:41:11.679 --> 00:41:16.579
the stuff that you have on your TVs. But he just

00:41:16.579 --> 00:41:18.699
he wasn't in this world and he was also into

00:41:18.699 --> 00:41:20.820
a lot of youth music which his dad just did not

00:41:20.820 --> 00:41:25.400
like and so He said okay, I'm gonna get into

00:41:25.400 --> 00:41:27.480
God so next morning early his son was sitting

00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:30.280
there watching TV and sat dad came in bleary

00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:32.440
-eyed sitting beside him and just began to be

00:41:32.440 --> 00:41:36.420
with him some was really suspicious and Then

00:41:36.420 --> 00:41:38.219
he began to sit with his son and listen to some

00:41:38.219 --> 00:41:40.219
of this music learn the names of some of the

00:41:40.219 --> 00:41:42.940
the artists that his son really liked and it

00:41:42.940 --> 00:41:46.780
took time to build trust. But after a period

00:41:46.780 --> 00:41:49.159
of about three months of sitting there one early

00:41:49.159 --> 00:41:53.280
morning with him next to his son, something happened.

00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:57.320
Something connected between father and son. He

00:41:57.320 --> 00:42:00.699
looked at his son. The son looked at him and

00:42:00.699 --> 00:42:04.340
he thought, I've got a dad. I've got a dad. I've

00:42:04.340 --> 00:42:07.079
got a dad. And you know the law of bonding. No

00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:10.110
bond, no transfer. As soon as you bond, there's

00:42:10.110 --> 00:42:12.750
a transfer. And everything, the passions for

00:42:12.750 --> 00:42:15.610
God that was on Marcus, transferred to his son.

00:42:15.949 --> 00:42:19.489
His son just began to just dive into everything

00:42:19.489 --> 00:42:21.769
his father was in. He gathered all his non -Christian

00:42:21.769 --> 00:42:24.130
friends, began to read the Bible to them. He

00:42:24.130 --> 00:42:28.130
began a youth revival with all these youth. And

00:42:28.130 --> 00:42:30.570
Marcus was laughing with us when he told us this

00:42:30.570 --> 00:42:32.369
story. He said, guys, you won't believe it. He

00:42:32.369 --> 00:42:35.409
said, last week my son criticized me. He said,

00:42:35.429 --> 00:42:38.230
dad, what are you doing for the kingdom? My group

00:42:38.230 --> 00:42:40.869
are fasting three days a week. What are you doing?

00:42:41.989 --> 00:42:45.690
Now that is fatherhood. And I think in religious

00:42:45.690 --> 00:42:50.349
circles, we've got the wrong model. And then

00:42:50.349 --> 00:42:53.289
thirdly, there's a crisis of identity. We've

00:42:53.289 --> 00:42:55.889
all heard about the men are from Mars, women

00:42:55.889 --> 00:42:58.730
are from Venus. Yes, we are different species.

00:42:59.829 --> 00:43:02.230
It's a delight getting to know the other species.

00:43:03.449 --> 00:43:07.929
But it is true that Adam was born into function.

00:43:08.030 --> 00:43:11.349
He was born to do a job. And so men relate according

00:43:11.349 --> 00:43:13.610
to their function. The first thing they say is,

00:43:13.650 --> 00:43:15.409
what are you doing? What are you doing? So men

00:43:15.409 --> 00:43:17.909
always relate according to function. A woman

00:43:17.909 --> 00:43:21.150
was birthed not into function, but into relationship.

00:43:21.409 --> 00:43:24.210
So women instantly relate. And so we've got to

00:43:24.210 --> 00:43:27.250
realize the difference between men and women

00:43:27.250 --> 00:43:30.349
in that area. It takes a while for men to get

00:43:30.349 --> 00:43:33.809
more relational. So a lot of men live behind

00:43:33.809 --> 00:43:37.489
facades. And that is what Adam did. He said,

00:43:37.630 --> 00:43:42.690
I was afraid and therefore I hid. And I see so

00:43:42.690 --> 00:43:45.389
many men, when I was a businessman for five years,

00:43:45.889 --> 00:43:49.530
running a company in London. I used to go into

00:43:49.530 --> 00:43:52.429
London by train. I used to look at all these

00:43:52.429 --> 00:43:56.530
smart, really chic looking men. They look great

00:43:56.530 --> 00:43:58.730
on the outside, you know, the latest laptop and

00:43:58.730 --> 00:44:01.250
mobile, everything else. But inside, you could

00:44:01.250 --> 00:44:03.289
just see straight through the facade, there was

00:44:03.289 --> 00:44:08.090
a desperate little young boy, terrified of a

00:44:08.090 --> 00:44:10.849
lack of approval, desperate for somebody to notice

00:44:10.849 --> 00:44:13.590
them, desperate because they were so fearful

00:44:13.590 --> 00:44:17.210
of failure. All they needed was the father's

00:44:17.210 --> 00:44:22.670
approval and appreciation. Now, sadly, feminism

00:44:22.670 --> 00:44:27.320
has eroded a lot of the male security because,

00:44:27.320 --> 00:44:31.099
you know, feminism tends to, it's a lie. Feminism

00:44:31.099 --> 00:44:33.719
is a lie which says that if women can have the

00:44:33.719 --> 00:44:36.159
same function, they can have the same value.

00:44:36.539 --> 00:44:40.239
And the lie is that our value is according to

00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:43.460
our function because your value has got absolutely

00:44:43.460 --> 00:44:46.860
nothing to do with what you do. It's who you

00:44:46.860 --> 00:44:50.860
are that matters. It's not what I do, it's what

00:44:50.860 --> 00:44:54.949
I am that matters. And who I am, they always

00:44:54.949 --> 00:45:00.889
say, is dependent on whose I am. If I don't really

00:45:00.889 --> 00:45:02.909
have that sense of the father's love and the

00:45:02.909 --> 00:45:05.789
father's approval, then the whole time I get

00:45:05.789 --> 00:45:08.610
onto that treadmill of just constantly trying

00:45:08.610 --> 00:45:11.170
to perform, constantly trying to perform, constantly

00:45:11.170 --> 00:45:14.889
trying to win people's favor. And that can be

00:45:14.889 --> 00:45:17.110
a killer in marriage. It can really kill you

00:45:17.110 --> 00:45:19.809
in your business life. You just are struggling

00:45:19.809 --> 00:45:25.400
all the time to cope with life. A lot of the

00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:29.539
mindsets that we have in this area come from

00:45:29.539 --> 00:45:31.360
the way we were brought up. That's what my dad

00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:34.559
did. That's what I'm going to do. You know, we've

00:45:34.559 --> 00:45:36.739
long since forgotten why we do it. They're traditions.

00:45:39.139 --> 00:45:44.019
I love the book Wild at Heart, which talks about

00:45:44.019 --> 00:45:49.059
men, about the deep instincts in men, that they

00:45:49.059 --> 00:45:52.519
have a battle to fight, an adventure to live,

00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:58.000
and a beauty to win. a battle to fight, an adventure

00:45:58.000 --> 00:45:59.960
to live, and a beauty to win. And I think when

00:45:59.960 --> 00:46:03.019
women value that and don't crush it, you see

00:46:03.019 --> 00:46:06.820
the release of that. And they begin to discover

00:46:06.820 --> 00:46:08.980
that part of them when they really connect to

00:46:08.980 --> 00:46:12.039
the Father God. We had a man in our church who

00:46:12.039 --> 00:46:16.559
was adopted. And he told us a story. It's really

00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:19.400
impacted us. He said, because he didn't know

00:46:19.400 --> 00:46:22.320
who he was. He just, you know, he was adopted.

00:46:22.659 --> 00:46:25.050
He hadn't got a clue who his father was. And

00:46:25.050 --> 00:46:28.670
one day he discovered who his maternal, who his

00:46:28.670 --> 00:46:33.670
mother was. And when he got to know her, the

00:46:33.670 --> 00:46:36.489
first question he had was, Mum, have you got

00:46:36.489 --> 00:46:40.449
a picture of my dad? And he said this amazing

00:46:40.449 --> 00:46:42.630
thing that really impacted me. He said, my mum

00:46:42.630 --> 00:46:45.429
took out this old box of photographs and took

00:46:45.429 --> 00:46:48.110
out a photograph of my dad when he was about

00:46:48.110 --> 00:46:51.429
the same age as me. He said, the moment I saw

00:46:51.429 --> 00:46:56.139
my dad, I knew who I was. The moment I saw my

00:46:56.139 --> 00:46:59.079
dad, I knew who I was. You know, he saw the same

00:46:59.079 --> 00:47:01.340
kind of features and suddenly there was that

00:47:01.340 --> 00:47:03.619
bond. He just knew this is where I come from.

00:47:04.159 --> 00:47:06.420
And for men spiritually, that is so important.

00:47:06.940 --> 00:47:09.980
Until you know your dad, until you know that

00:47:09.980 --> 00:47:12.000
you're known and loved by the father, it's not

00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:15.659
an option. It is absolutely critical that you've

00:47:15.659 --> 00:47:19.539
had an impact from the father's love. Once you

00:47:19.539 --> 00:47:26.900
know... religious and politics and everything

00:47:26.900 --> 00:47:29.039
else. You know, we end up killing each other

00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:31.400
rather than defending the ones that we were supposed

00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:35.159
to defend. Finally, instead of being the servant

00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:38.400
leaders, the enemies twisted it around and made

00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:42.920
us be dominant and controlling. Now I just quickly

00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:49.079
end up with what I call five hindrances to...

00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:52.820
And each of these five are the things that have

00:47:52.820 --> 00:47:57.699
eroded those five pillars. The first one is an

00:47:57.699 --> 00:48:03.380
absence of trust. You see, without trust, intimacy

00:48:03.380 --> 00:48:08.420
fades. There has to be trust, unconditional trust.

00:48:08.920 --> 00:48:12.019
And that means men and women, you've got to get

00:48:12.019 --> 00:48:14.260
in the light. 1 John 1 .7 says that if you're

00:48:14.260 --> 00:48:17.000
in the light... You have perfect koinonia, perfect

00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:19.880
oneness. One in heart, one in spirit, one in

00:48:19.880 --> 00:48:22.079
purpose. And the blood of Jesus is able to cleanse

00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:24.199
every area of life. There's got to be a commitment

00:48:24.199 --> 00:48:26.599
right at the beginning that there are no secrets.

00:48:27.179 --> 00:48:29.679
Absolute truth. Completely in the light, you

00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:32.260
share everything together. Otherwise, if there's

00:48:32.260 --> 00:48:35.260
areas of no -go areas or dark areas, you will

00:48:35.260 --> 00:48:38.099
just find the intimacy will fade because there's

00:48:38.099 --> 00:48:41.280
no trust between the two of you. We've got to

00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:44.829
risk opening up. But sadly, because of our background,

00:48:44.949 --> 00:48:47.809
many of us have been wounded too much. We've

00:48:47.809 --> 00:48:51.250
been betrayed too many times. We've been lied

00:48:51.250 --> 00:48:57.190
to and abused too much to really risk it. No

00:48:57.190 --> 00:48:59.150
matter what your wound, it's worth the risk.

00:48:59.329 --> 00:49:01.969
It's worth opening up because actually it's only

00:49:01.969 --> 00:49:05.289
in the opening up that you're able to be touched

00:49:05.289 --> 00:49:10.090
and receive the love and the intimacy back and

00:49:10.090 --> 00:49:12.940
become that intimate friend again. The second

00:49:12.940 --> 00:49:15.239
thing is the fear of conflict and rejection.

00:49:16.559 --> 00:49:18.420
You see, so many people have gone through times

00:49:18.420 --> 00:49:23.099
of betrayal, been rejected, and because part

00:49:23.099 --> 00:49:25.860
of your psyche is you react and you're fearful

00:49:25.860 --> 00:49:29.239
of the impact of rejection and conflict, we end

00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:33.360
up with this artificial harmony. Again, you know

00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:35.460
the proclaiming prophet, the one who speaks out.

00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:38.860
You don't speak out. You know you hold back because

00:49:38.860 --> 00:49:41.099
you think that if you really share what you think,

00:49:41.340 --> 00:49:45.320
You'll be rejected. You'll be criticized. And

00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:48.900
so you end up with this artificial harmony between

00:49:48.900 --> 00:49:51.920
the two of you. You never really share what you're

00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:55.500
feeling deep inside. It's that deep part of you.

00:49:55.639 --> 00:49:58.139
Deep doesn't speak out anymore. It's blocked

00:49:58.139 --> 00:50:02.579
up. And hear me right here, but it is good to

00:50:02.579 --> 00:50:09.019
have a really good row. You see, conflict is

00:50:09.019 --> 00:50:13.119
creative. You've got to break the silence. You've

00:50:13.119 --> 00:50:14.780
got to be now. I'm not talking about killing

00:50:14.780 --> 00:50:18.719
each other I'm talking about expressing what

00:50:18.719 --> 00:50:21.980
you're feeling inside if you don't open it up

00:50:21.980 --> 00:50:24.860
and share They never you know they never come

00:50:24.860 --> 00:50:28.199
to understand. What is going on inside? There's

00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:30.840
a cap on it. It's block you have this artificial

00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:34.139
harmony artificial piece That is not marriage

00:50:34.780 --> 00:50:37.059
There's got to be a sense that you're able to

00:50:37.059 --> 00:50:40.800
really have a rough and tumble of trying to get

00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:42.940
each other to see through each other's spectacles.

00:50:43.039 --> 00:50:44.760
Because when you see through their perspective,

00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:47.900
you begin to think, whoa, I begin to see now.

00:50:48.139 --> 00:50:49.940
And you see from each other's perspective, and

00:50:49.940 --> 00:50:53.679
slowly you get to a place of real harmony, real

00:50:53.679 --> 00:50:58.360
living oneness, real cardinonia. But if you're

00:50:58.360 --> 00:51:01.079
always frightened of being rejected, you'll never

00:51:01.079 --> 00:51:04.250
do that. You've got to be willing. to give each

00:51:04.250 --> 00:51:09.829
other license to share deeply. The third area

00:51:09.829 --> 00:51:14.829
is then a lack of real covenant commitment. I

00:51:14.829 --> 00:51:17.789
know we believe in that, but actually deep inside

00:51:17.789 --> 00:51:22.150
sometimes we're not totally given. If there is

00:51:22.150 --> 00:51:25.590
not a leaving, then there is no cleaving. And

00:51:25.590 --> 00:51:28.389
some men find it difficult, even some women find

00:51:28.389 --> 00:51:31.869
it difficult, to leave. You find some men who

00:51:31.869 --> 00:51:35.780
are still clinging to their mother or to their

00:51:35.780 --> 00:51:39.280
parents, even to some fantasy of an old flame,

00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:42.480
and some women who are still so clinging to their

00:51:42.480 --> 00:51:46.320
mother. So when there is no leaving, there's

00:51:46.320 --> 00:51:49.059
no cleaving. There has to be a leaving of every

00:51:49.059 --> 00:51:52.139
other relationship. There has to be a sense of

00:51:52.139 --> 00:51:55.940
total commitment, total dedication together.

00:51:56.280 --> 00:51:59.699
Given, for better for worse, for richer for poorer,

00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:04.530
you've got to come in to have that oneness. And

00:52:04.530 --> 00:52:06.869
you begin to discover that you're not completely

00:52:06.869 --> 00:52:10.050
together when you are always talking about you

00:52:10.050 --> 00:52:14.070
and, you know, you always do this. And your language

00:52:14.070 --> 00:52:18.349
is always about you and me rather than us. When

00:52:18.349 --> 00:52:21.610
you retrain the way you speak, you develop a

00:52:21.610 --> 00:52:25.650
language of usness. You know, it's wonderful

00:52:25.650 --> 00:52:27.489
when there is no longer a sense of my gender

00:52:27.489 --> 00:52:30.090
and your gender, my rights, your rights, a sense

00:52:30.090 --> 00:52:32.460
that there's us. And I love the wedding ceremony.

00:52:32.500 --> 00:52:33.860
In fact, I've encouraged many of our couples

00:52:33.860 --> 00:52:36.840
to do it in our church now. It's one which comes

00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:41.260
from Portugal where both couples carry a candle,

00:52:41.539 --> 00:52:45.639
a lit candle to the altar and they light one

00:52:45.639 --> 00:52:49.900
big new candle and then they blow their candle

00:52:49.900 --> 00:52:53.400
out. Now, if you don't blow your candle out in

00:52:53.400 --> 00:52:58.159
marriage, it's big trouble. If you don't come

00:52:58.159 --> 00:53:01.960
to the end of me, my rights, It's big trouble

00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:04.800
because really marriage is about Gordon dying,

00:53:05.559 --> 00:53:08.519
Rachel dying, and a new creation, Gordon and

00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:11.480
Rachel. And until there's that language of us,

00:53:11.860 --> 00:53:14.139
the new creation, there is no harmony, there's

00:53:14.139 --> 00:53:16.880
no oneness. It's always about fighting my pitch,

00:53:17.340 --> 00:53:20.119
fighting my place. You've got to die to your

00:53:20.119 --> 00:53:23.349
rights and come in together to be that one. It's

00:53:23.349 --> 00:53:25.849
total commitment to the cause. And you see, once

00:53:25.849 --> 00:53:27.889
you've committed yourself to that cause of total

00:53:27.889 --> 00:53:30.130
reconciliation, then you begin to go out from

00:53:30.130 --> 00:53:32.690
that to a place where you're reconciled. You're

00:53:32.690 --> 00:53:35.510
able to reconcile in the community and in the

00:53:35.510 --> 00:53:40.989
world. The fourth area of dysfunction is the

00:53:40.989 --> 00:53:43.230
whole area of independence. I told you how independent

00:53:43.230 --> 00:53:45.630
I was and how proud I was. But the whole area

00:53:45.630 --> 00:53:50.429
of independence and pride. And you see, this

00:53:50.429 --> 00:53:54.429
makes the defending warrior the one who is constantly,

00:53:54.469 --> 00:53:56.869
because of pride and independence, battling against

00:53:56.869 --> 00:54:00.730
you. And you end up with anger, you end up with

00:54:00.730 --> 00:54:02.969
each other getting offended, getting locked up.

00:54:04.050 --> 00:54:08.289
Now, in my marriage, I am a very persistent person.

00:54:08.590 --> 00:54:11.590
Rachel calls it stubbornness. I call it persistent.

00:54:13.309 --> 00:54:16.389
Now, that's my background. I'm a very persistent,

00:54:16.869 --> 00:54:19.949
single -track person. But you can't live with

00:54:19.949 --> 00:54:22.849
that stubborn thing of I'm right. Because you

00:54:22.849 --> 00:54:25.090
see, the truth is that men and women look through

00:54:25.090 --> 00:54:27.250
life through different spectacles. I look at

00:54:27.250 --> 00:54:29.750
life through my spectacles, and this is what

00:54:29.750 --> 00:54:32.090
I describe as happening. Rachel looks through

00:54:32.090 --> 00:54:34.889
her spectacles, and she knows she's right. This

00:54:34.889 --> 00:54:37.590
is what is happening. And you very soon discover

00:54:37.590 --> 00:54:41.909
that you're both seeing different things. And

00:54:41.909 --> 00:54:44.030
you know that you're right according to what

00:54:44.030 --> 00:54:46.849
you see, but they also know that they are right

00:54:46.849 --> 00:54:51.840
according to what they see. A long time ago learned

00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:54.519
that it's better to be reconciled than to be

00:54:54.519 --> 00:54:58.340
right. If you stand on your rights, according

00:54:58.340 --> 00:55:00.239
to what you see through your spectacles, you

00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:04.119
will stay divided forever. You've got to be reconciled.

00:55:04.179 --> 00:55:06.300
And when there's a division of what you see and

00:55:06.300 --> 00:55:08.559
a dispute about the way you see things, just

00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:10.900
join hands together and just face away from each

00:55:10.900 --> 00:55:14.670
other and just declare God's presence. in that

00:55:14.670 --> 00:55:17.590
room and begin to start hammering down that wall

00:55:17.590 --> 00:55:20.150
that's between you. And you'll begin to find

00:55:20.150 --> 00:55:23.949
that God comes. You have to give up your independence,

00:55:24.170 --> 00:55:27.170
have to give up your pride. You've got to practice

00:55:27.170 --> 00:55:32.409
those famous words, darling, I was wrong. Should

00:55:32.409 --> 00:55:33.929
we practice that to each other? Look at your

00:55:33.929 --> 00:55:40.090
spouse and say, darling, I was wrong. Now you've

00:55:40.090 --> 00:55:42.130
also got to be willing to practice those other

00:55:42.130 --> 00:55:46.170
words. Come on, you've got to practice the other

00:55:46.170 --> 00:55:51.489
word is darling. I forgive you Now look at them

00:55:51.489 --> 00:55:58.989
darling. I forgive you Now you've got a choice

00:55:58.989 --> 00:56:03.789
If you stand in your pride Then you end up one

00:56:03.789 --> 00:56:06.369
Peter says you end up fighting God if you end

00:56:06.369 --> 00:56:09.909
up humbling yourself you begin to get grace finally

00:56:09.909 --> 00:56:13.679
the lack of mutual submission Now hear me in

00:56:13.679 --> 00:56:17.159
this. That passage I read to you was, submit

00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:20.960
to one another out of reverence for Christ. It

00:56:20.960 --> 00:56:24.360
is not wives submitting to their husbands. It's

00:56:24.360 --> 00:56:27.780
submit to one another. Now when there's a lack

00:56:27.780 --> 00:56:30.679
of mutual submission one to the other, a lack

00:56:30.679 --> 00:56:34.260
of each of you serving each other, then you end

00:56:34.260 --> 00:56:36.599
up with a hierarchy. Now we were never called

00:56:36.599 --> 00:56:42.239
to be hierarchical. You know, in the Godhead,

00:56:42.429 --> 00:56:45.789
Jesus is absolutely co -equal with the Father,

00:56:46.110 --> 00:56:50.809
but He chooses to submit to the Father. He chooses

00:56:50.809 --> 00:56:54.329
to submit to the Father. Exactly the same in

00:56:54.329 --> 00:56:57.349
a love relationship. There is a divine order

00:56:57.349 --> 00:57:01.630
of love and respect of husband and wife. The

00:57:01.630 --> 00:57:03.869
husband lays his life down and earns the right

00:57:03.869 --> 00:57:06.710
to be the head, and the wife chooses to respect.

00:57:07.030 --> 00:57:11.289
Now hear me on this. God even calls you to respect

00:57:11.289 --> 00:57:16.250
people that do not deserve to be respected because

00:57:16.250 --> 00:57:20.190
The Bible says so because actually when you respect

00:57:20.190 --> 00:57:23.570
somebody who knows they don't deserve to be respected

00:57:23.570 --> 00:57:28.130
They grow into what you see of them Because as

00:57:28.130 --> 00:57:31.150
you respect them they begin to think whoa I don't

00:57:31.150 --> 00:57:33.750
deserve that I need to I need to earn that and

00:57:33.750 --> 00:57:36.369
they change But you see that is what respect

00:57:36.369 --> 00:57:38.730
does it gives you space to breathe and change

00:57:39.570 --> 00:57:44.789
Criticism tears down the head. We've got to be

00:57:44.789 --> 00:57:47.170
accountable to each other. Then we grow, we change.

00:57:47.690 --> 00:57:50.530
We mustn't crush and control each other. We've

00:57:50.530 --> 00:57:52.769
got to use our words to fill each other's tanks,

00:57:53.090 --> 00:57:55.449
to build each other up, not destroy each other.

00:57:56.090 --> 00:57:59.090
Now, Rachel taught me this, but only two whole

00:57:59.090 --> 00:58:02.429
people can make a whole marriage. So many of

00:58:02.429 --> 00:58:05.420
us come into marriage with deep wounds. And then

00:58:05.420 --> 00:58:08.539
we end up hiding behind defense mechanisms, fear

00:58:08.539 --> 00:58:12.300
mechanisms. But there's no hiding behind strongholds.

00:58:12.420 --> 00:58:14.400
You've got to deal with every stronghold, and

00:58:14.400 --> 00:58:16.880
you've got to make your marriage a safe place

00:58:16.880 --> 00:58:20.460
where every stronghold is dealt with so that

00:58:20.460 --> 00:58:22.940
you heal the woundedness, you heal the diseased

00:58:22.940 --> 00:58:27.599
hearts. And you need to know how desperate God

00:58:27.599 --> 00:58:31.360
is to reconcile. As a church, normally we criticize

00:58:31.360 --> 00:58:35.719
people who get divided. separated divorced God

00:58:35.719 --> 00:58:40.380
is desperate desperate to reconcile and I'll

00:58:40.380 --> 00:58:41.760
let Rachel share this story because it's her

00:58:41.760 --> 00:58:46.239
story but about Dudley do you want to come and

00:58:46.239 --> 00:58:48.320
share that darling and then maybe you can just

00:58:48.320 --> 00:59:07.030
take it from here No, it's just I've lost one

00:59:07.030 --> 00:59:10.710
of his pillars because he's muddled the order

00:59:10.710 --> 00:59:32.940
seven He'd shuffle the order I'm not Now you

00:59:32.940 --> 00:59:37.159
know why I'm spoiled because I'm always right

00:59:37.159 --> 00:59:52.420
I Can feel all the men going But Gordon asked

00:59:52.420 --> 00:59:55.280
me to share this story of I'm Dudley and I'm

00:59:55.280 --> 00:59:57.780
not sure if I haven't already shared this story

00:59:57.780 --> 01:00:01.349
here But it's just the story of the incredible

01:00:01.349 --> 01:00:06.510
redeeming heart of God for marriage. And it was

01:00:06.510 --> 01:00:09.510
when I was up in Dudley speaking on spiritual

01:00:09.510 --> 01:00:11.510
warfare, did I share the story about the two

01:00:11.510 --> 01:00:13.789
people from Peterborough? Have I shared that?

01:00:13.789 --> 01:00:17.320
Okay, I haven't then. And I was up there for

01:00:17.320 --> 01:00:20.820
doing a three or four day conference on strategic

01:00:20.820 --> 01:00:23.019
spiritual warfare for pastors. There was about

01:00:23.019 --> 01:00:25.659
500 and something pastors registered. We'd done

01:00:25.659 --> 01:00:28.079
the Thursday and done the Friday. And the Saturday

01:00:28.079 --> 01:00:30.019
was the big open day of the conference and they

01:00:30.019 --> 01:00:33.340
were expecting over a thousand people. And they

01:00:33.340 --> 01:00:35.500
got it sort of all advertised that this was going

01:00:35.500 --> 01:00:39.179
to be strategic spiritual warfare to change cities.

01:00:39.599 --> 01:00:42.019
So I wake up nine o 'clock in the morning and

01:00:42.019 --> 01:00:46.280
I had... four sessions that day. And as I walked

01:00:46.280 --> 01:00:49.119
in, the young guy who was on the sort of media

01:00:49.119 --> 01:00:51.619
booth, he said, have you got your titles? Because

01:00:51.619 --> 01:00:54.019
I only had them for Thursday and Friday. And

01:00:54.019 --> 01:00:55.420
I said, oh, didn't I give you Saturday? He said,

01:00:55.460 --> 01:00:57.960
well, no, it wasn't on the sheet. And I thought,

01:00:58.179 --> 01:01:00.849
oh. because you see that morning as I'd woken

01:01:00.849 --> 01:01:03.610
up God said to me I want you to speak a marriage

01:01:03.610 --> 01:01:06.369
and I'm thinking God I've got five hundred something

01:01:06.369 --> 01:01:09.489
pastors registered I've got over a thousand people

01:01:09.489 --> 01:01:12.389
all coming for strategic spiritual warfare to

01:01:12.389 --> 01:01:14.849
change your city and you're saying talk a marriage

01:01:14.849 --> 01:01:17.110
you know I don't talk a marriage if Gordon's

01:01:17.110 --> 01:01:21.289
not around you see God had to break that paradigm

01:01:21.289 --> 01:01:23.969
and I started with you without him but I said

01:01:23.969 --> 01:01:26.980
I just don't do that and he said um I'm asking

01:01:26.980 --> 01:01:29.300
you to talk a marriage. So I get my stuff together

01:01:29.300 --> 01:01:31.960
which I had and it's like nothing flowed. And

01:01:31.960 --> 01:01:34.159
at nine o 'clock, and I've got to be there 9

01:01:34.159 --> 01:01:36.639
.30, I'm still fussing. I've had no breakfast,

01:01:36.780 --> 01:01:39.179
I've hardly shat, I'm still resting with God.

01:01:39.440 --> 01:01:42.340
I'm thinking, oh no God, I really don't want

01:01:42.340 --> 01:01:44.400
to do it. He said, I want you to talk a marriage.

01:01:44.860 --> 01:01:47.860
So I walk into the booth and the guy says, well

01:01:47.860 --> 01:01:49.320
what's it? And I said, well it's going to be

01:01:49.320 --> 01:01:52.780
marriage. He said, that's a new view on spiritual

01:01:52.780 --> 01:01:55.639
warfare. And I said, I know, don't talk about

01:01:55.639 --> 01:01:59.909
it. So I set up, so he said, well, what's the

01:01:59.909 --> 01:02:02.050
sessions? I said, marriage one, marriage two,

01:02:02.349 --> 01:02:07.090
marriage three, marriage four. And so I start

01:02:07.090 --> 01:02:10.610
and I do this session on marriage, first and

01:02:10.610 --> 01:02:13.010
second. I taught some of the stuff I taught on

01:02:13.010 --> 01:02:14.929
the battle of the marriage bed, of breaking open

01:02:14.929 --> 01:02:17.889
the veil, of having that real interview. And

01:02:17.889 --> 01:02:21.670
then after lunch, I just said, look. After lunch,

01:02:21.809 --> 01:02:23.929
we're going to have a purity night. We're really

01:02:23.929 --> 01:02:26.329
going to ask God to come. Please don't go away

01:02:26.329 --> 01:02:27.690
at lunch time. We're going to come and deal with

01:02:27.690 --> 01:02:29.050
this stuff. That's when we're going to process

01:02:29.050 --> 01:02:31.610
it and have ministry time. Well, as the ministry

01:02:31.610 --> 01:02:34.570
time came, there was this man standing here.

01:02:35.070 --> 01:02:37.190
And I took the senior pastor and I just said,

01:02:37.309 --> 01:02:38.889
excuse me, would you just come and pray with

01:02:38.889 --> 01:02:41.909
me? I really feel this man was deeply something.

01:02:41.949 --> 01:02:44.739
We need to pray for this man. And there was this,

01:02:44.820 --> 01:02:47.039
as I prayed for me, he said, I'm David, I come

01:02:47.039 --> 01:02:50.300
from Peterborough. Now that's about 350 miles

01:02:50.300 --> 01:02:52.920
away on the East Coast from where Dudley is.

01:02:53.280 --> 01:02:57.300
And I'm thinking, why in the world are you here

01:02:57.300 --> 01:03:00.260
on a Saturday morning for strategic, you know,

01:03:00.360 --> 01:03:02.420
what made that? He said, why are you here today?

01:03:02.760 --> 01:03:04.659
He said, God woke me up at four o 'clock in the

01:03:04.659 --> 01:03:07.039
morning. He said, I haven't been in church for

01:03:07.039 --> 01:03:09.599
over two and a half years. I was a senior elder

01:03:09.599 --> 01:03:11.960
for the church in the Peterborough area, but

01:03:11.960 --> 01:03:15.750
I got into adultery. got out the church, haven't

01:03:15.750 --> 01:03:17.989
been in church since, and have been through a

01:03:17.989 --> 01:03:21.989
really deep depression time. But, this morning

01:03:21.989 --> 01:03:25.730
I thought I need a happy Saturday. And I remembered

01:03:25.730 --> 01:03:29.070
Dudley... was the place my mother -in -law lived.

01:03:29.349 --> 01:03:31.809
And I used to come up here with my wife regularly,

01:03:32.110 --> 01:03:34.809
and it has a great market town and places to

01:03:34.809 --> 01:03:37.190
visit and cute cafes and that. And so it was

01:03:37.190 --> 01:03:38.670
such a great day. I thought, I'm going to go

01:03:38.670 --> 01:03:40.650
to Dudley. I've got so many happy memories of

01:03:40.650 --> 01:03:42.550
places to hang out. I'm going to go have a day

01:03:42.550 --> 01:03:45.170
at Dudley. As soon as I got here and parked the

01:03:45.170 --> 01:03:48.070
car, the heavens opened. It poured with rain.

01:03:48.429 --> 01:03:50.469
All the market cleared up. You couldn't be outside.

01:03:50.530 --> 01:03:52.670
So I thought, oh great, what do I do now? And

01:03:52.670 --> 01:03:55.150
as I was walking back to my car, I saw the big

01:03:55.150 --> 01:03:57.710
poster saying, Rachel Hickson in town and such

01:03:57.710 --> 01:04:00.070
and such. And she said, he said, I remembered

01:04:00.070 --> 01:04:02.550
you were the last person I really heard preach

01:04:02.550 --> 01:04:05.630
and impacted me before everything went pear shaped

01:04:05.630 --> 01:04:09.289
and I lost my marriage. And I thought, nobody

01:04:09.289 --> 01:04:12.750
knows what I've done here. Maybe I could come

01:04:12.750 --> 01:04:16.489
in and find God again. So I came and you stand

01:04:16.489 --> 01:04:19.690
up and talk of marriage. He said, I thought I

01:04:19.690 --> 01:04:23.460
was safe on city taking. He said, God so dealt

01:04:23.460 --> 01:04:26.300
with me. Help me. I blew my marriage, blew my

01:04:26.300 --> 01:04:29.460
covenant, broke everything. Help me. We just

01:04:29.460 --> 01:04:31.860
ministered and prayed to him. God fell upon him.

01:04:32.300 --> 01:04:34.679
Then, I mean, there were literally hundreds of

01:04:34.679 --> 01:04:36.820
people had come forward. And I remember I walked

01:04:36.820 --> 01:04:39.219
over this side and I saw this woman back against

01:04:39.219 --> 01:04:41.780
the wall here and I began to pray for her. And

01:04:41.780 --> 01:04:44.480
I said, what's happened to you? She said I've

01:04:44.480 --> 01:04:48.800
been so self -righteous, so self -important because

01:04:48.800 --> 01:04:51.039
about two and a half years ago my marriage broke

01:04:51.039 --> 01:04:52.980
up. I was married to one of the senior elders

01:04:52.980 --> 01:04:56.800
of a church and I've always thought it was his

01:04:56.800 --> 01:05:00.380
fault that he was wrong and today God's nailed

01:05:00.380 --> 01:05:05.260
me and I just realized that I am in a mess and

01:05:05.260 --> 01:05:09.440
I need help. And I don't know what to do or how

01:05:09.440 --> 01:05:11.519
to make it right or what should be the way. And

01:05:11.519 --> 01:05:13.280
I said, well, sweetheart, could you just come?

01:05:13.280 --> 01:05:18.000
Walk right up the front. And could you look right

01:05:18.000 --> 01:05:20.760
across there and see if you recognize this? Oh

01:05:20.760 --> 01:05:26.179
my goodness, that's David. So we prayed for her

01:05:26.179 --> 01:05:28.699
and I said excuse me. Can I just ask you? Why

01:05:28.699 --> 01:05:31.420
are you in Dudley today? She said yeah, I live

01:05:31.420 --> 01:05:33.860
in Peterborough still live there three now But

01:05:33.860 --> 01:05:36.559
she said I made an arrangement to see my mother

01:05:36.559 --> 01:05:40.280
today to take her out So I arrived here and came

01:05:40.280 --> 01:05:42.539
to our home and as I knocked on her door the

01:05:42.539 --> 01:05:46.179
neighbor said oh no Dorothy's gone out on a bus

01:05:46.179 --> 01:05:47.780
tour with all the old people. She said she'd

01:05:47.780 --> 01:05:54.079
be back at four She said I was so furious that

01:05:54.079 --> 01:05:57.920
my mother had forgotten I've driven all the way

01:05:57.920 --> 01:06:00.619
got up at four o 'clock in the morning to come

01:06:00.619 --> 01:06:02.980
and take her out for a day and she's gone off

01:06:02.980 --> 01:06:04.940
with all her old people on the bus and says oh

01:06:04.940 --> 01:06:09.420
I'll be back at four for tea so she said I was

01:06:09.420 --> 01:06:12.179
so angry that I was driving home and I then I

01:06:12.179 --> 01:06:16.199
thought oh Rachel Hickson that's the last person

01:06:16.199 --> 01:06:19.780
you remember how does God do that Anyway, we

01:06:19.780 --> 01:06:22.019
prayed for them, we saw them come through. But

01:06:22.019 --> 01:06:25.579
listen to this. They have a daughter called Sandra.

01:06:26.619 --> 01:06:30.420
And at this exact time, Sandra was in New York

01:06:30.420 --> 01:06:33.599
working with Bill Wilson's ministry. It just

01:06:33.599 --> 01:06:36.760
happened that she was sharing a room with a girl

01:06:36.760 --> 01:06:40.539
called Heather, Hedy, who was one of our congregation

01:06:40.539 --> 01:06:44.059
from our St. Albans churches. And when they had

01:06:44.059 --> 01:06:48.980
got together in September, and had come together

01:06:48.980 --> 01:06:51.840
as interns for six months and sharing a room.

01:06:51.949 --> 01:06:55.590
They began to talk and share and Sandra had shared

01:06:55.590 --> 01:06:58.550
the devastation of and the humiliation of her

01:06:58.550 --> 01:07:01.610
parents Ministry marriage breaking up that they

01:07:01.610 --> 01:07:04.530
were separated and they've got this three months

01:07:04.530 --> 01:07:06.809
ago sharing a room and she just kept saying the

01:07:06.809 --> 01:07:08.929
more I work with these kids on the streets the

01:07:08.929 --> 01:07:11.829
more God's putting a Passionate me that someone's

01:07:11.829 --> 01:07:14.429
got to do something to stop marriage is breaking

01:07:14.429 --> 01:07:17.449
We've got to reverse the curse. So how do you

01:07:17.449 --> 01:07:19.750
go from our churches? Well, we need to pray and

01:07:19.750 --> 01:07:22.730
fast. Why don't we do it? 21 -day prayer and

01:07:22.730 --> 01:07:25.210
fasting for your parents' marriage. Come on,

01:07:25.309 --> 01:07:29.269
Sandra, what do you want to see? So they wrote

01:07:29.269 --> 01:07:33.250
down the dream, and the dream was that by Christmastime,

01:07:33.449 --> 01:07:36.150
Sandra would come home from New York, and they

01:07:36.150 --> 01:07:38.789
would be able to sit around the Christmas table

01:07:38.789 --> 01:07:41.869
with mom, dad, and all the kids, and they would

01:07:41.869 --> 01:07:44.630
be able to renew their vows and say sorry, and

01:07:44.630 --> 01:07:48.210
the marriage would be healed. So they're praying

01:07:48.210 --> 01:07:55.280
and fasting in New York. The 21st day of their

01:07:55.280 --> 01:08:00.460
fast is Saturday October whatever it was I'm

01:08:00.460 --> 01:08:03.440
in Dudley getting up to preach on strategic being

01:08:03.440 --> 01:08:07.659
and God literally shakes me marriage marriage

01:08:07.659 --> 01:08:13.260
marriage wakes up two people 350 miles away makes

01:08:13.260 --> 01:08:18.180
a man think of a mother -in -law And says you've

01:08:18.180 --> 01:08:24.770
got to go up to Dudley makes the wife think they

01:08:24.770 --> 01:08:27.529
drive all the way. God totally does the marriage

01:08:27.529 --> 01:08:31.210
and on December the 22nd or 21st I think it was

01:08:31.210 --> 01:08:34.489
they renewed their vows back in the church and

01:08:34.489 --> 01:08:38.010
on Christmas Day Sandra sat round the Christmas

01:08:38.010 --> 01:08:42.550
family table with everything healed whole for

01:08:42.550 --> 01:08:56.630
the glory of God. There's no one like God. Absolutely

01:08:56.630 --> 01:09:00.810
no one like God. Literally he moves nations.

01:09:03.649 --> 01:09:07.390
Because this is time. I just want to say one

01:09:07.390 --> 01:09:09.850
thing because Gordon's really spoken to the men.

01:09:10.670 --> 01:09:13.489
If we read that Ephesians five passages, really

01:09:13.489 --> 01:09:18.949
interesting ladies. Never are we commanded to

01:09:18.949 --> 01:09:22.250
love our husbands. I don't know if you've noticed

01:09:22.250 --> 01:09:26.930
that, but what we are commanded to do is respect.

01:09:28.550 --> 01:09:32.750
Why? I think men are commanded, actually, love

01:09:32.750 --> 01:09:35.989
your wife. It's actually not an option, it's

01:09:35.989 --> 01:09:38.430
a command. Why? Because there's something from

01:09:38.430 --> 01:09:42.710
a woman that naturally responds with love. Because

01:09:42.710 --> 01:09:46.130
of the very thing that Gordon said, Adam was

01:09:46.130 --> 01:09:48.609
created for the function to work, to steward

01:09:48.609 --> 01:09:53.520
the garden. So there is something in the destiny

01:09:53.520 --> 01:09:58.680
of a man that's created for function Woman was

01:09:58.680 --> 01:10:04.409
created to come alongside man and break the independence

01:10:04.409 --> 01:10:07.609
because it remember God created women specifically

01:10:07.609 --> 01:10:10.430
for relation because he looked at Adam and so

01:10:10.430 --> 01:10:15.829
it is not good for Adam to be alone so he created

01:10:15.829 --> 01:10:19.869
Eve to be his parapetis his helper the one to

01:10:19.869 --> 01:10:24.449
come aside so woman was created to be a completer

01:10:24.449 --> 01:10:27.649
to be a helper the one alongside do you get what

01:10:27.649 --> 01:10:33.750
we're saying here so the most detrimental Pain

01:10:33.750 --> 01:10:38.130
to a woman is to not love her and affirm and

01:10:38.130 --> 01:10:41.050
appreciate because her very essence of being

01:10:41.050 --> 01:10:44.689
From the file was created to be a helper to be

01:10:44.689 --> 01:10:48.930
a support to come alongside and so We don't need

01:10:48.930 --> 01:10:51.529
to be commanded to love. It's an instinctive

01:10:51.529 --> 01:10:54.750
response If you pastor, how many men would agree

01:10:54.750 --> 01:10:57.329
with me? When you pastor abusive situations,

01:10:57.590 --> 01:11:00.569
I'm staggered again and again at the love a woman

01:11:00.569 --> 01:11:03.170
will give even to an abusive father, abusive

01:11:03.170 --> 01:11:05.890
husband, the loyalty that... How many would say

01:11:05.890 --> 01:11:08.130
that it's different when you counsel a man or

01:11:08.130 --> 01:11:10.149
a woman? Because there is something very created

01:11:10.149 --> 01:11:14.029
in there. Actually, what is not so instinctive

01:11:14.029 --> 01:11:17.449
in a woman is to respect the function of work.

01:11:19.439 --> 01:11:22.220
Women, it really does our heads in sometimes.

01:11:22.479 --> 01:11:25.699
We think, what is your issue? Why are you working,

01:11:25.920 --> 01:11:29.159
working? Give it a break. Turn that stupid cell

01:11:29.159 --> 01:11:31.859
phone off. Chuck the computer out the women.

01:11:32.260 --> 01:11:39.079
Talk, boy, talk. Of course we don't say that,

01:11:39.319 --> 01:11:48.869
do we? That comes from the heart. Because you

01:11:48.869 --> 01:11:52.229
see, for a woman's rationale to be so function

01:11:52.229 --> 01:11:59.210
-orientated is strange. Where for us to be relationship

01:11:59.210 --> 01:12:03.100
-orientated is normal. Now we've got to understand

01:12:03.100 --> 01:12:06.539
women, but just as that is so devastating when

01:12:06.539 --> 01:12:09.239
we don't hear the love, tenderness, atmosphere,

01:12:09.340 --> 01:12:12.640
because it's so much out of sound. When we disrespect,

01:12:12.739 --> 01:12:16.340
it says, now women you must respect your husband.

01:12:16.659 --> 01:12:19.060
And that word respect is to give honor and position

01:12:19.060 --> 01:12:21.079
in place. And it's actually to do with their

01:12:21.079 --> 01:12:24.810
function. So do you get what I'm saying the love

01:12:24.810 --> 01:12:27.329
language thing because Gordon said early on in

01:12:27.329 --> 01:12:30.329
our marriage I know you love me, but I must know

01:12:30.329 --> 01:12:35.739
you respect me I need to know you trust me. That's

01:12:35.739 --> 01:12:37.880
another way we lose. How many of you men identify

01:12:37.880 --> 01:12:39.579
with that? I need to know respect and trust.

01:12:39.800 --> 01:12:41.939
I need to know you're going to let me go. That

01:12:41.939 --> 01:12:44.779
you actually respect and trust. So the whole

01:12:44.779 --> 01:12:47.640
women's issue stuff, when we begin to tear down

01:12:47.640 --> 01:12:51.680
the respect and trust thing, that is so detrimental

01:12:51.680 --> 01:12:55.539
to men. And that's why feminism is such a killer.

01:12:55.800 --> 01:12:59.399
Because it takes men out of their role. Because

01:12:59.399 --> 01:13:03.109
men were created for a role. That isn't who they

01:13:03.109 --> 01:13:06.729
are, but there is a satisfaction. I love watching

01:13:06.729 --> 01:13:09.449
men really putting shoulder to shoulder and getting

01:13:09.449 --> 01:13:11.489
work done together. There is something when men

01:13:11.489 --> 01:13:13.430
do that which is totally different when girls

01:13:13.430 --> 01:13:17.250
do it together. There's something about men putting

01:13:17.250 --> 01:13:18.489
shoulder to shoulder and getting a job done.

01:13:18.489 --> 01:13:21.390
I love watching you guys just work and the way

01:13:21.390 --> 01:13:23.689
you serve the women's conference. There is a

01:13:23.689 --> 01:13:25.689
camaraderie, there's a teamwork, there's an accent,

01:13:25.909 --> 01:13:28.170
and yeah, there's stuff. But you know, you get

01:13:28.170 --> 01:13:29.810
the boys out in the yard. Come on, we're gonna

01:13:29.810 --> 01:13:32.250
throw this shit up. to build this up. There's

01:13:32.250 --> 01:13:34.829
something in the way that men do that, fellowship,

01:13:35.130 --> 01:13:37.550
relate, connect, which is different from... But

01:13:37.550 --> 01:13:40.949
if you disrespect and tear that down all the

01:13:40.949 --> 01:13:42.829
time and erode it, well, what are you doing in

01:13:42.829 --> 01:13:45.329
the work anyway? It's not worth that much. That

01:13:45.329 --> 01:13:48.289
is killing them as much as to us. It would be

01:13:48.289 --> 01:13:51.260
saying, well, I don't really love you. You're

01:13:51.260 --> 01:13:53.640
not really that special there's can you can you

01:13:53.640 --> 01:13:56.479
understand and I think for us women we've got

01:13:56.479 --> 01:14:00.399
in our environment of 21st century where work

01:14:00.399 --> 01:14:03.939
has become so strong there's a they can often

01:14:03.939 --> 01:14:07.000
become a bitterness in women towards the workplace

01:14:07.000 --> 01:14:11.039
which then creates a language of disrespect and

01:14:11.039 --> 01:14:15.140
dishonor and Devaluing what they do in their

01:14:15.140 --> 01:14:18.159
function, which is as detrimental in the marriage

01:14:18.159 --> 01:14:20.600
as the guy as your husband coming home and say,

01:14:20.659 --> 01:14:26.659
well, I'm not really sure I love you today. And

01:14:26.659 --> 01:14:29.720
so we've got to break those curse languages and

01:14:29.720 --> 01:14:32.020
really do it. And it's not that we worship their

01:14:32.020 --> 01:14:34.239
workplace, but we help them understand their

01:14:34.239 --> 01:14:37.039
language, because so much of their headship expression

01:14:37.039 --> 01:14:41.189
comes out of a job done. And of course, it's

01:14:41.189 --> 01:14:43.810
who they are. But part of who they are is expressed

01:14:43.810 --> 01:14:46.590
through their hands and what they do in a very

01:14:46.590 --> 01:14:48.590
different way than it is with women. And I've

01:14:48.590 --> 01:14:50.670
understood that more and more. Because I wrestled

01:14:50.670 --> 01:14:52.970
with it. I thought, why does the Bible command

01:14:52.970 --> 01:14:57.010
a man to laugh and command a woman to respect

01:14:57.010 --> 01:15:00.449
and submit? And I've traced it. And of course

01:15:00.449 --> 01:15:03.390
the essence is there that in response, as responders,

01:15:03.550 --> 01:15:05.869
we laugh. We're not told not to laugh. But you

01:15:05.869 --> 01:15:07.869
understand what I mean. We're actually commanded

01:15:07.869 --> 01:15:10.670
respect, because that's not an instinctive response.

01:15:12.510 --> 01:15:15.890
And so we need those graces. We need to respect.

01:15:16.050 --> 01:15:18.810
Amen? Well, why don't we come and just pray.

01:15:25.390 --> 01:15:27.970
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